| 00:00.00 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 00:00.02 | Agouti | That Blizzard made a post about drops for people playing up & coming |
| 00:00.06 | Agouti | er |
| 00:00.08 | Agouti | fun or not |
| 00:00.29 | Agouti | In addition, drops primarily happen the first time you play the map in the session |
| 00:00.41 | tampa1adam | seem kinda fun jade? |
| 00:00.44 | Agouti | once you manage to play a game, you don't get dropped again that session |
| 00:00.48 | JademusSreg | Have you tested custom dependency vs no custom dependency? |
| 00:01.06 | Agouti | I haven't tested, no |
| 00:01.08 | Nash|327 | So did anyone make melee with "maphack" yet? |
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| 00:01.16 | Agouti | but I would say that I'm 80% sure |
| 00:01.20 | Agouti | if not 90% |
| 00:01.38 | Agouti | as it can't really be trigger related |
| 00:01.47 | JademusSreg | Not my sort of map, tampa. |
| 00:01.53 | Agouti | I even tried a Wait at the start |
| 00:02.04 | Agouti | but people get dropped before triggers start executing |
| 00:02.16 | Nash|327 | pewpew |
| 00:02.36 | Nash|327 | So nobody made a perfect information melee variant? |
| 00:02.50 | Agouti | It's a real shame, though, as I was looking forward to using custom models |
| 00:03.18 | JademusSreg | Certainty requires rigor. Intuition only gives us a direction. |
| 00:03.32 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 00:04.36 | Agouti | sidd_, get on msn you great oaf |
| 00:04.55 | Agouti | actually, does SOTIS use dependencies? |
| 00:04.59 | Agouti | I don't think it does |
| 00:05.26 | JademusSreg | I played it once or twice. It was ridiculous. |
| 00:05.32 | Nash|327 | Why not import the models into map if dependecies are fucking up? |
| 00:05.57 | JademusSreg | Dunno if it uses custom dependencies for art assets/ |
| 00:06.03 | Agouti | because that bloats the map |
| 00:06.18 | Agouti | and it limits the number that can be used |
| 00:06.19 | JademusSreg | Ago, unless its approachuing the limit, it's a non issue. |
| 00:06.31 | Agouti | the upload time limit is. |
| 00:06.58 | Agouti | despite having 100kB/sec upload I still get gateway down errors if the map file gets really big |
| 00:07.13 | Nash|327 | get someone else to upload? |
| 00:07.14 | JademusSreg | Haha, they have the worst uploading. |
| 00:08.03 | Agouti | Anyway, the map file is 5mB with no external assets |
| 00:08.14 | Agouti | 5MB is not much for models |
| 00:08.16 | Agouti | 2 or 3 at best |
| 00:08.28 | JademusSreg | Textures will often take more space than models. |
| 00:08.49 | Agouti | it's about half and half, in my experience |
| 00:08.53 | JademusSreg | Also, half of that 5mb is probably the texture map and shit for the terrain. |
| 00:08.57 | Agouti | for high poly WoW models and the like |
| 00:09.27 | Nash|327 | My test map is 2.7 MB :G |
| 00:09.50 | Agouti | game data 120kB compressed |
| 00:09.54 | Agouti | terrain 2.6MB |
| 00:10.05 | Agouti | triggers 130kB |
| 00:10.12 | Agouti | plus loading screen TGA |
| 00:10.18 | Nash|327 | then again it's not saved to minimize space use |
| 00:10.34 | Agouti | mine is, saves about 300kB |
| 00:10.36 | Nash|327 | loading screen |
| 00:10.38 | Nash|327 | right |
| 00:10.43 | Nash|327 | need to make one D_D |
| 00:10.48 | Agouti | heh |
| 00:11.15 | Nash|327 | What size should I use? |
| 00:11.44 | Frostwind | is soooooooooooo bored |
| 00:11.49 | Agouti | I made it 1280x |
| 00:11.54 | Agouti | I think |
| 00:11.57 | Agouti | or 1024x |
| 00:12.04 | Nash|327 | 16:10 AR? |
| 00:12.11 | Agouti | 4:3 |
| 00:12.21 | Agouti | actually, I should save it as .dds |
| 00:12.27 | Agouti | would get better compression |
| 00:12.28 | Nash|327 | Won't that be weird on widescreen? |
| 00:12.45 | Agouti | you can set it to get background fill |
| 00:12.49 | Agouti | not stretched |
| 00:13.11 | Agouti | it gets zoomed to fit vertically |
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| 00:13.20 | Agouti | then the left overs at the side are just black |
| 00:13.29 | Nash|327 | yes, weird |
| 00:14.11 | JademusSreg | My load screen dimensions are 2048*1160 |
| 00:14.51 | JademusSreg | In dds format, it takes up 2321 KB. |
| 00:15.15 | Nash|327 | what's the most wide widescreen SC2 supports? |
| 00:15.21 | Nash|327 | 16:10 I assume? |
| 00:18.44 | JademusSreg | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09weu17yS_I |
| 00:19.45 | Nash|327 | lawls |
| 00:20.18 | Vailreth | shish i was going to make a joke about kitten lasers |
| 00:20.38 | JademusSreg | That UI frame doesn't know what the fuck to do. |
| 00:28.03 | Vailreth | ive been looking at video cards that are nearly as powerful as my desktop... |
| 00:31.53 | Frostwind | is soooooooooooo bored |
| 00:32.07 | Frostwind | anyone else as bored as me? I highly doubt it |
| 00:34.10 | Vailreth | i need to get back to work but i am not ready to spend go more hours on this one object |
| 00:34.42 | Vailreth | go?? how does six become go??? |
| 00:35.06 | Deaod | you should know |
| 00:35.18 | Deaod | your brain, after all |
| 00:36.14 | Vailreth | some times i wonder about that |
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| 00:42.22 | Wiz10011 | Hey guys, where would you guys suggest to look up old SC1 maps? |
| 00:44.35 | Agouti | Nash|327, 16:9 I would assume |
| 00:45.00 | Agouti | However if you use anything wider than 4:3 the sides will be cut on those screens |
| 00:45.19 | Agouti | SC2 zooms to fit vertical then either crops or color fills the sides |
| 00:46.13 | Wiz10011 | noone? Trying to locate the author of a old map. |
| 00:46.57 | Agouti | google? |
| 00:47.06 | Wiz10011 | Google failed me! |
| 00:47.17 | Agouti | you failed google |
| 00:47.20 | Agouti | hiveworkshop? |
| 00:47.30 | Wiz10011 | they have SC1 on there? |
| 00:49.34 | Agouti | I don't know. |
| 00:49.39 | Agouti | Let me put it this way |
| 00:49.51 | Agouti | I have no imperical knowledge of what you want |
| 00:50.00 | Agouti | anything that I can do to find information you can do |
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| 00:50.47 | Wiz10011 | Just trying to locate the author of the old SC1 map Overmind Defence so I can give credit. Tried google, it came up with unknown author. |
| 00:53.06 | Wiz10011 | was hoping someone had knowledge of a website like Hiveworkshop but for SC1 maps |
| 01:01.22 | Nash|327 | Agouti: I'm going to make a picture that's essentially 4:3 and that fades to black on the sides to the barckground fill won't look weird |
| 01:08.49 | Vailreth | later fols |
| 01:08.52 | Vailreth | folks |
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| 01:09.53 | Keyeszx | Has anyone ever gotten nintendo as one of the captcha phrases? |
| 01:10.14 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
| 01:10.18 | JademusSreg | Neato. |
| 01:10.20 | Keyeszx | I think I did |
| 01:10.32 | Keyeszx | maybe it was an e but it looked like an o to me |
| 01:11.00 | Keyeszx | Anyways, anyone know how to make a story mode set? |
| 01:11.14 | JademusSreg | Ago, empirical. =D |
| 01:11.30 | JademusSreg | Story Mode Set? Like in the campaign? |
| 01:11.34 | Keyeszx | ya |
| 01:11.44 | Keyeszx | I want to create menus using a set like in campaign |
| 01:12.17 | JademusSreg | Well, I expect all that can be found in the Story map and its dependencies. |
| 01:12.34 | JademusSreg | I looked in there once, and it was massive eonugh to freeze the editor for a long time. |
| 01:12.47 | Keyeszx | thanks for giving me hope... |
| 01:13.21 | JademusSreg | It opened after a while. The triggers and the libraries are huge. |
| 01:13.48 | JademusSreg | Now I remember why I looked in there; I was examining presets to decode the valuesi n the campaign bank. |
| 01:13.57 | JademusSreg | Mission Accomplished. |
| 01:14.32 | Keyeszx | Do you know if setting up the sets requires any actual terrain space? |
| 01:14.53 | JademusSreg | Not really. The Story map is blank; all the set pieces are units. |
| 01:15.10 | JademusSreg | Most of them, as I recall. |
| 01:15.27 | Keyeszx | cool. I'll play around with it |
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| 01:17.43 | TheFrozenMuffin | howdy |
| 01:18.10 | JademusSreg | Hi. |
| 01:19.15 | TheFrozenMuffin | Do you think it is possible to make the Raven's auto turrets deployable in air? |
| 01:19.26 | TheFrozenMuffin | ... like in space or over water etc. |
| 01:19.31 | JademusSreg | Sure. |
| 01:19.51 | JademusSreg | For one thing, water doesn't apply any changes to pathing. |
| 01:19.58 | JademusSreg | So they can already be deployed in water. |
| 01:20.02 | TheFrozenMuffin | ok |
| 01:20.05 | TheFrozenMuffin | and space? |
| 01:20.07 | TheFrozenMuffin | make it flying? |
| 01:20.11 | TheFrozenMuffin | or hover |
| 01:20.11 | JademusSreg | Though you probably mean the lowest cliff level. |
| 01:20.20 | JademusSreg | Which is where many maps put water planes |
| 01:20.35 | TheFrozenMuffin | I have a map of just space though. |
| 01:21.01 | JademusSreg | Wouldn't an autoturret look weird sitting around in space? =D |
| 01:21.15 | TheFrozenMuffin | ya, but it does have a platform ^^ |
| 01:21.39 | TheFrozenMuffin | and whos to say it doesn't have micro stabilizing thrusters haha |
| 01:21.54 | TheFrozenMuffin | Point Defence Drones hover |
| 01:22.15 | JademusSreg | Anyway, change it's collision plane from Ground to Air, change its check or placement footprint layers to permit unbuildable if able or remove its footprint. |
| 01:22.30 | JademusSreg | Pointy Defense Drones don't have footprints. |
| 01:22.48 | TheFrozenMuffin | I don't really know about foot prints |
| 01:22.54 | TheFrozenMuffin | I'm learning as I go. |
| 01:23.06 | TheFrozenMuffin | Don't space ships have footprints too? |
| 01:23.08 | JademusSreg | If you remove the footprint, just give it a radius so it can't be placed on others. |
| 01:23.12 | JademusSreg | No. |
| 01:23.15 | TheFrozenMuffin | oh |
| 01:23.36 | TheFrozenMuffin | So are footprints done as squares or circles? do they have different demensions? like 1x1 or 2x2 |
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| 01:23.58 | JademusSreg | Footprints are applied to the pathing map by doodads (statically) or structures (dynamically). |
| 01:24.12 | JademusSreg | Cells, squares. |
| 01:24.17 | TheFrozenMuffin | ok |
| 01:24.21 | TheFrozenMuffin | so what your saying is |
| 01:24.31 | TheFrozenMuffin | two footprints shouldn't be able to overlap |
| 01:24.41 | JademusSreg | Depends on the footprint. |
| 01:24.46 | TheFrozenMuffin | unless they are supposed to. Like the creep has a foot print I bet |
| 01:24.53 | JademusSreg | Autoturrets have a 2*2 footprint, for example. |
| 01:25.08 | TheFrozenMuffin | and zerg buildings are buildable on creep. so it can't be built on top of another building but ok on the creep footprint |
| 01:25.19 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 01:25.26 | TheFrozenMuffin | so by removing the footprint |
| 01:25.51 | TheFrozenMuffin | I would be able to deployee my turrets in a battle. |
| 01:26.13 | JademusSreg | Sure. |
| 01:26.45 | JademusSreg | Don't forget to change its collision plane. |
| 01:27.07 | TheFrozenMuffin | looking at it now. |
| 01:28.29 | TheFrozenMuffin | should I assign it to any of the unused air? |
| 01:29.01 | JademusSreg | Since you're "learning as [you] go", I advise that whenever you wonder how to do X, think of something in the game that behaves similarly or close to X and then figure out how it does it. |
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| 01:29.39 | TheFrozenMuffin | I did the SCV like this earlier |
| 01:29.41 | Agouti | JademusSreg speaks truth |
| 01:29.49 | JademusSreg | Naw, those are flags. I was refering to the collision plane, which has Ground and Air as its only options. |
| 01:29.52 | TheFrozenMuffin | I just didn't know if possible. |
| 01:29.55 | Agouti | If that fails, search sc2mapster.com |
| 01:29.59 | Agouti | if that fails |
| 01:30.00 | Agouti | IRC |
| 01:30.23 | Agouti | simply looking at the fields will often be all you need to do. |
| 01:33.20 | TheFrozenMuffin | true sometimes, I think the most difficult thing is where to find something and understanding how things are linked. |
| 01:35.30 | JademusSreg | I opine links are not the most useful abstraction until you understand the basis for that abstraction. For example, Unit Actor Marine is linked to the Unit Marine, but what is the basis for this? There is a unitName token in the Unit Actor that specifies the unit in the actor's fields that use the token reference. |
| 01:36.18 | Agouti | the unit token is merely a shortcut for creating the correct events, however |
| 01:36.32 | JademusSreg | Yes, and a few other minor fields. |
| 01:37.40 | JademusSreg | For example, an actor's Model field defaults to the token. =D |
| 01:37.59 | TheFrozenMuffin | One thing I dont' understand is cost |
| 01:38.07 | TheFrozenMuffin | Units have the cost tab |
| 01:38.55 | Nash|327 | are all racial loading bars same height? |
| 01:38.57 | Agouti | the cost to build a unit |
| 01:39.04 | Agouti | is the sum of the cost on the unit itself |
| 01:39.05 | TheFrozenMuffin | and if you modify it at the ability commands - train |
| 01:39.08 | Agouti | and the cost on the ability |
| 01:39.09 | TheFrozenMuffin | it adds to it |
| 01:39.14 | Agouti | yes. |
| 01:39.17 | JademusSreg | Suppose you have a modified melee map with mercenary stations around the map. So you could train a Marine at your barracks for 50 minerals, or you could hire a mercenry Marine at the merc camp for 75 minerals. |
| 01:39.26 | TheFrozenMuffin | but tech uses only the cost in the ability command |
| 01:39.32 | Agouti | You can also set a flag for a train ability to ignore the unit cost |
| 01:39.34 | Agouti | In addition! |
| 01:39.37 | Agouti | this is important |
| 01:39.42 | JademusSreg | Because the Marine has a base cost, and the merc camp purchase unit ability has 25 minerals on the ability cost. |
| 01:39.43 | Nash|327 | need to know what loading bar will cover so I don't put text under it |
| 01:39.43 | Agouti | if you have a unit which morphs |
| 01:39.51 | TheFrozenMuffin | ohhhhhh |
| 01:39.57 | Agouti | and the units it morphs between have different costs |
| 01:40.04 | Agouti | that will be included as part of the morph |
| 01:40.06 | Agouti | for example |
| 01:40.07 | TheFrozenMuffin | so you can have the same unit cost two different things |
| 01:40.11 | TheFrozenMuffin | without duplicating the unit |
| 01:40.12 | Agouti | zergling to baneling |
| 01:40.37 | JademusSreg | Yes, it does allow precisely that. |
| 01:40.40 | Agouti | you can also have multiple abilities that can train a unit |
| 01:40.47 | Agouti | and not have to set the cost in all of them |
| 01:40.55 | Agouti | by using the unit cost |
| 01:40.58 | JademusSreg | Nash, there is a tutorial on mapster that covers loading screens. |
| 01:41.24 | Agouti | In general it is better to set the cost on the unit itself, rather than the ability which makes the unit. |
| 01:41.37 | TheFrozenMuffin | ya |
| 01:41.45 | TheFrozenMuffin | plus it's easier to get to.... haha |
| 01:41.53 | Agouti | yup |
| 01:42.08 | JademusSreg | It's simply more intuitive to do it on the unit. =D |
| 01:42.16 | JademusSreg | But the option to do it otherwise is there, too. |
| 01:42.24 | Agouti | There are some things to note |
| 01:42.34 | JademusSreg | And in the case of morphing, alternate unit sources, useful. |
| 01:42.41 | Agouti | Because of the way morphs take into account the unit cost |
| 01:42.47 | Agouti | if you have a TD map |
| 01:42.58 | Agouti | setting the unit cost rather than upgrade cost |
| 01:43.05 | Agouti | you have to set the TOTAL cost of the unit |
| 01:43.06 | TheFrozenMuffin | Ok I got anotherone for ya |
| 01:43.24 | Agouti | so if you have level 1 tower that costs 200 minerals, then an upgrade to level 2 which costs a further 300 |
| 01:43.33 | Agouti | the unit cost of the level 2 tower would be set to 500 |
| 01:43.41 | Agouti | and the level 1 would be 200 |
| 01:43.59 | Agouti | it will then automatically set the cost for the morph to 300 (500 - 200) |
| 01:44.12 | Frostwind | is soooooooooooo bored |
| 01:44.14 | TheFrozenMuffin | Why a requirements in the ability comands and at the abbilities |
| 01:44.16 | Agouti | if you then had an ability to morph back to the level 1 tower |
| 01:44.21 | Agouti | it would refund that 300 |
| 01:44.37 | TheFrozenMuffin | oh wait |
| 01:44.49 | TheFrozenMuffin | Say two classes of builders |
| 01:45.16 | Agouti | "two classes of builders" |
| 01:45.30 | TheFrozenMuffin | one uses the regular ability to build the thing with no requirments, and the second can build it but needs a special requirement which would be at the abilities, command type requirements... |
| 01:46.00 | Agouti | you can set the requirement on either the ability itself or the unit |
| 01:46.10 | Agouti | the latter is done using Requirement field on the command card |
| 01:46.15 | TheFrozenMuffin | ya |
| 01:48.57 | Nash|327 | now the question is, what size to use... |
| 01:49.11 | TheFrozenMuffin | two hands |
| 01:49.40 | Agouti | 9" long, and about 8" around is generally considered adequate |
| 01:50.08 | Agouti | which works out as a little over 2" diam |
| 01:50.25 | Nash|327 | I have a 1024x768 screen currently |
| 01:51.45 | Agouti | I made mine 1440x1080 |
| 01:51.51 | Agouti | not sure why |
| 01:51.53 | TheFrozenMuffin | blaaaaa |
| 01:51.57 | TheFrozenMuffin | takes forever to find somethings |
| 01:53.21 | Nash|327 | http://i.imgur.com/UxKbL.jpg is what I have so far |
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| 01:54.59 | JademusSreg | I'd suggest setting up an irc channel for feedback if I were under the impression you would like to be bothered in such a way. =D |
| 01:55.39 | JademusSreg | Anyway, that buffer from the bottom looks more than adequate. |
| 01:55.41 | tampa1adam | How do I create an auir chef style inventory..? |
| 01:55.51 | Nash|327 | an IRC channel for a map? :G |
| 01:55.59 | TheFrozenMuffin | haha |
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| 01:56.00 | JademusSreg | The simplest answer is to examine the Aiur Chef map. |
| 01:56.40 | Nash|327 | People can bother me on bnet if I'm in the map channel ;G |
| 01:56.45 | tampa1adam | Im trying but I cant figure it out :( |
| 01:57.28 | tampa1adam | I know units have inventories, but auir chef has like a player inventory |
| 01:57.35 | Nash|327 | Now where's hawker so I can pester him D: |
| 01:57.58 | tampa1adam | plus theres a missing dependency for auir chef :( |
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| 02:15.15 | Mephs | ~sixen |
| 02:15.28 | Mephs | ~sixen |
| 02:15.44 | Mephs | ~mephs |
| 02:15.44 | purl | [mephs] someone with three more yachts than you! |
| 02:15.51 | Mephs | ~sixen |
| 02:15.57 | Mephs | purl wtf |
| 02:17.23 | Sixen | ? |
| 02:17.27 | Sixen | I deleted it, du |
| 02:17.28 | Sixen | duh |
| 02:17.42 | Agouti | aha |
| 02:17.52 | Agouti | sixen, perhaps you have a map with a custom dependency? |
| 02:17.58 | Agouti | or know of one which does? |
| 02:18.15 | Agouti | oh, cortex roleplay |
| 02:18.24 | Agouti | wonder if they are getting problems with drops |
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| 02:22.47 | Agouti | or perhaps I will be ignored |
| 02:23.04 | Agouti | should be used to that by now, I suppose |
| 02:23.07 | Agouti | afk |
| 02:25.41 | Sixen | I don't, Agouti |
| 02:27.44 | TheFrozenMuffin | -_- turrents still not working |
| 02:29.35 | Nash|327 | turret torrents |
| 02:29.43 | TheFrozenMuffin | what does it mean if a button is on the command card but does not show up in game? |
| 02:30.08 | Nash|327 | ability is not set or is not working |
| 02:30.58 | Nash|327 | or has a show requirement that isn't valid |
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| 02:49.22 | Mexa|Tee | slaps Nash|327 around a bit with a large trout |
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| 02:50.47 | Frostwind | moo |
| 02:58.08 | Nash|327 | it is a Mexa |
| 02:58.28 | Nash|327 | WHY HATH I BEEN SUMMONED? |
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| 03:37.12 | Nash|327 | 'tuns, 'tuns, lots of huggable 'tuns |
| 03:39.21 | Nash|327 | JademusSreg |
| 03:39.54 | Nash|327 | Did you check your Photon Cycles thread recently? |
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| 03:51.02 | tampa1adam | So if I want to give a sort of "global" item bar(inventory) would I have to give the ability to each unit the player could possibly be? |
| 03:52.14 | Nash|327 | or DIALOGS |
| 03:52.17 | Nash|327 | they are magic |
| 03:53.44 | tampa1adam | is that very difficult? |
| 03:54.38 | tampa1adam | :< |
| 03:54.39 | Nash|327 | would probably be a huge pain in the ass to make it function competely like an inventory D: |
| 03:55.25 | tampa1adam | are there triggers for item pickup, etc |
| 03:55.33 | Nash|327 | if you want a limited inventory with a few things etc it would be doable |
| 03:55.49 | tampa1adam | Yeah, I want it similar to auir chef |
| 03:56.08 | Nash|327 | I never played it so I don't know what that means. |
| 03:57.24 | tampa1adam | http://i.imgur.com/ro8W0.jpg |
| 03:57.41 | tampa1adam | its blizzard made mod |
| 03:57.41 | Nash|327 | you'd just have to code all the items in triggers |
| 03:57.45 | tampa1adam | u can dl the map |
| 03:57.56 | tampa1adam | I just dont know the editor well enough to figure out wtf they did |
| 03:58.05 | TheFrozenMuffin | blah |
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| 03:58.23 | TheFrozenMuffin | for some reason my yamato cannon won't work |
| 04:00.11 | Nash|327 | make a dialog with buttons that are dynamically added or removed when you pick up items, setting their icon and tooltip to different things using functions |
| 04:01.15 | Nash|327 | Create a button blah blah with GetItemTooltip(Item) and GetItemIcon(Item) |
| 04:01.45 | Nash|327 | and make those functions with a switch that returns different things based on the Item parameter |
| 04:02.23 | tampa1adam | sounds to be a arduous task |
| 04:02.58 | tampa1adam | you dont think a inventory ability would be easier? |
| 04:03.17 | Nash|327 | I haven't used inventory. |
| 04:03.33 | Nash|327 | I use a psuedo-inventory on command card. |
| 04:04.01 | Nash|327 | Making stuff like this isn't all that hard though: http://www.sc2mapster.com/media/attachments/18/108/Store.jpg |
| 04:05.38 | Nash|327 | it all depends on how many items you have, it would get quite annoying with many items |
| 04:06.41 | tampa1adam | I have exactly 5 items |
| 04:06.57 | Nash|327 | well then it's trivial |
| 04:07.06 | Nash|327 | well, not trivial perhaps |
| 04:07.46 | Ashamed | dialogs :) |
| 04:08.03 | TheFrozenMuffin | Ok, I got my yamato button there. And ability. But... Execute requirement = use yamato |
| 04:08.06 | Nash|327 | you just need a dialog with buttons, 2 functions with switches |
| 04:08.10 | TheFrozenMuffin | What am I missing? bahhhhh |
| 04:08.29 | Nash|327 | and presumably an array to keep track of player's inventory. |
| 04:09.25 | Ashamed | http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/5999/screenshot2011072423580.jpg?http://www.imageshack.us/ |
| 04:09.33 | Ashamed | its way easy to figure out |
| 04:09.37 | Ashamed | i taught my self it in a few days |
| 04:09.52 | Nash|327 | I'd suggest you give each item a number |
| 04:09.53 | Ashamed | for buttons just put an invis button behind the dialog |
| 04:09.56 | Ashamed | thatshow i did it >< |
| 04:10.30 | Ashamed | yah for that tree right there i had an array like this [Trigger player ] [Tree 1-4] [skill 1-10] |
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| 04:10.55 | Nash|327 | then have a trigger when you pick up an item, get its number, add number to first free slot in an int array |
| 04:11.23 | tampa1adam | then create a new button/image and show that? |
| 04:11.31 | Nash|327 | then update the player's dialog |
| 04:11.40 | Nash|327 | loop through array |
| 04:11.53 | Nash|327 | use those functions for tooltip and icon |
| 04:12.11 | Nash|327 | GetItemTooltip(int item) |
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| 04:12.31 | Nash|327 | if 0 return "This is a cake, it is tasty!" |
| 04:12.46 | Ashamed | TASTY CAKE |
| 04:12.46 | Nash|327 | if 1 "This is a pie, it is full of apples. Yum." |
| 04:12.55 | Ashamed | return 2 "kiTTUNS!!!!" |
| 04:13.12 | Ashamed | if 2 |
| 04:13.14 | Ashamed | * |
| 04:13.15 | Nash|327 | It's a kittun in a bag. You can't explain that. |
| 04:13.35 | Ashamed | they seem hard at first |
| 04:13.42 | Ashamed | but its really simple |
| 04:20.16 | TheFrozenMuffin | I removed the footprints and made it flying, but I still can't build auto turrets in space -_- |
| 04:20.24 | Nash|327 | SPACE? |
| 04:20.32 | Nash|327 | SPACE! |
| 04:20.35 | Nash|327 | SPAAAAAAAAACE |
| 04:21.42 | TheFrozenMuffin | ya |
| 04:21.55 | TheFrozenMuffin | even made height 3.75 |
| 04:22.13 | TheFrozenMuffin | It doesn't have the grid anymore, but still says I can't build at location |
| 04:24.12 | Nash|327 | D_D |
| 04:24.34 | Nash|327 | it has collision Air? |
| 04:26.16 | TheFrozenMuffin | where do I find that? |
| 04:26.32 | TheFrozenMuffin | nevermind |
| 04:26.38 | TheFrozenMuffin | u mean collide right? |
| 04:26.51 | Nash|327 | collision flags, yes |
| 04:27.28 | tampa1adam | whats the event trigger for picking up an item..? |
| 04:28.32 | Jum-Jum | so, complete newbie to the data editor. where would I look to find the resources I need to know.... to attach a sentry turret to the head of the siege tank? |
| 04:28.32 | Nash|327 | I don't know of one |
| 04:28.58 | Jum-Jum | kinda like how the bunker has one on top of it |
| 04:29.26 | TheFrozenMuffin | "Can't place, location invalid" |
| 04:29.54 | Nash|327 | maybe some hardcoded nonsense? :G |
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| 04:30.11 | TheFrozenMuffin | So under Movement Tab I'm doing "collide" flying. plane array "air" |
| 04:31.04 | Nash|327 | look at point defense drone |
| 04:31.09 | TheFrozenMuffin | haha |
| 04:31.12 | TheFrozenMuffin | thats what I was just doing ^^ |
| 04:31.57 | Jum-Jum | what the fuck... |
| 04:32.08 | Jum-Jum | Why is there Artosis and Tasteless commentator bot in the data editor? O_o |
| 04:32.31 | Nash|327 | no clue |
| 04:33.45 | TheFrozenMuffin | GOT IT |
| 04:33.54 | TheFrozenMuffin | "mover = fly" |
| 04:34.07 | TheFrozenMuffin | it's pretty awesome, the bullets just fall through space ^^ |
| 04:35.25 | Nash|327 | spaaaaaaaaaaace |
| 04:38.42 | Xaragoth | slaps Sixen around a bit with a large trout |
| 04:38.46 | Xaragoth | I can only post every 15s |
| 04:38.49 | Xaragoth | Make it go away. |
| 04:38.55 | Sixen | newb |
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| 04:39.40 | Jum-Jum | Where is onetwo? |
| 04:39.41 | tordy | hey |
| 04:39.45 | Nash|327 | Sixen is a newb? |
| 04:39.49 | Xaragoth | also |
| 04:39.50 | Xaragoth | Sixen |
| 04:39.51 | Xaragoth | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/terrain/23900-so-i-was-fishing-me-some-zerg-the-other-day/#p1 |
| 04:39.54 | Jum-Jum | hi tordy |
| 04:40.04 | tordy | anyone found a problem w/ banks glitching if people save/load games? |
| 04:40.29 | Sixen | =O |
| 04:40.37 | Xaragoth | was bored :/ |
| 04:40.40 | tordy | when a player saves a game, all the variables are kept the same when you load the game right? |
| 04:40.42 | Xaragoth | wanted shiny. |
| 04:40.43 | tordy | least they should be |
| 04:40.49 | Nash|327 | you were fishing zerg? |
| 04:41.39 | Nash|327 | save games, huh? |
| 04:42.00 | tordy | a game w/ 1 human player |
| 04:42.02 | tordy | you can save games |
| 04:42.43 | Nash|327 | well if variables fuck up campaign maps wouldn't work D_D |
| 04:42.49 | tordy | inorite |
| 04:42.54 | tordy | trying to figure this out |
| 04:43.59 | Nash|327 | stupid hair D: |
| 04:44.17 | Nash|327 | Got hair on my lower back |
| 04:44.21 | Agouti | Nash|327, if you aren't already |
| 04:44.28 | Agouti | use dds for your loading screen |
| 04:44.32 | Agouti | instead of tga |
| 04:44.37 | Agouti | it's 1/4 the size |
| 04:45.12 | Nash|327 | I haven't finished it yet, etc |
| 04:45.22 | Agouti | save it as dxt1 dds |
| 04:45.24 | Agouti | ^ |
| 04:45.28 | tordy | why dxt1 |
| 04:45.29 | Nash|327 | but I have the dds compression tool |
| 04:45.33 | tordy | why not 3 or 5 |
| 04:45.38 | Nash|327 | I can't save as .dds |
| 04:45.43 | Agouti | dxt1 doesn't have an alpha map |
| 04:45.52 | Agouti | so it should be smaller |
| 04:46.04 | Agouti | unless there is a difference in the compression algorythms |
| 04:46.08 | Agouti | I didn't think there was |
| 04:46.29 | tordy | iunno i've used images w/ no transperncy and dxt1s looked a bit worse than 3/5 |
| 04:46.48 | tordy | wait that's no alpha |
| 04:47.06 | Nash|327 | if there's no alpha channel in the TGA, why would it add one when converting D: |
| 04:47.21 | Agouti | dxt1 is 700kb |
| 04:47.27 | Agouti | dxt5 is 1.6MB |
| 04:47.36 | Agouti | sorry |
| 04:47.37 | Agouti | 4.44 |
| 04:47.44 | Agouti | so 9 times the size |
| 04:48.01 | Agouti | wait let me start again |
| 04:48.04 | tordy | i have this pet peeve of keeping my map file size small |
| 04:48.06 | Agouti | dxt1: 700kb |
| 04:48.12 | Agouti | dxt5: 1.48mb |
| 04:48.12 | tordy | so nothing custom like models or images |
| 04:48.17 | Agouti | tga: 4.44mb |
| 04:48.19 | tordy | they literally x2 the file size of my map |
| 04:48.27 | tordy | but it shouldnt really matter |
| 04:48.39 | tordy | since it's not like sc1 or wc3's dl system |
| 04:48.40 | Agouti | terrain is still the biggest thing for mine |
| 04:48.48 | Agouti | yes |
| 04:48.53 | Agouti | when people download the map |
| 04:48.57 | tordy | people download outside the lobby |
| 04:48.58 | Agouti | they only download what has changed |
| 04:49.03 | tordy | so other players inside the lobby dont need to wait |
| 04:49.10 | Agouti | er |
| 04:49.10 | tordy | unlesss that pending thing is it |
| 04:49.16 | Agouti | yes... |
| 04:49.26 | Agouti | pending is either downloading or waiting on invite |
| 04:49.39 | tordy | oh wait not what i meant |
| 04:49.44 | Agouti | I'm not sure if all people downloading end up pending |
| 04:49.46 | tordy | i mean sc1 or wc3 had p2p downloading |
| 04:49.51 | tordy | which is why it was much slower |
| 04:49.53 | Agouti | true |
| 04:50.01 | Agouti | however to the best of my knowledge |
| 04:50.06 | tordy | sc2 you download from blizz servers so its much faster |
| 04:50.06 | Agouti | and I could well be wronge |
| 04:50.17 | Agouti | you only download what has changed in the archive |
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| 04:50.33 | Agouti | my terrain is 20MB uncompressed :< |
| 04:50.37 | tordy | D: |
| 04:50.56 | Agouti | and I don't even have much hieght adjustment |
| 04:51.06 | Agouti | oh wells |
| 04:51.07 | tordy | height adjustment adds to the size? |
| 04:51.12 | Agouti | idk |
| 04:51.16 | Agouti | I would assume so? |
| 04:51.23 | tordy | yea it would |
| 04:51.27 | tordy | but should be so big |
| 04:51.28 | Agouti | at least it would reduce the amount of compression that could be done on it |
| 04:51.35 | tordy | shound |
| 04:51.40 | tordy | shouldnt |
| 04:51.43 | Jum-Jum | tordy, are you any good at the data editor? |
| 04:51.51 | tordy | no but Agouti is |
| 04:51.53 | Agouti | well, I don't see how it couldn't |
| 04:51.55 | Jum-Jum | or well... have any knowledge at all .... in comparison to me :D |
| 04:51.57 | Nash|327 | nobody is |
| 04:52.04 | Nash|327 | the data editor hates you |
| 04:52.06 | Agouti | I am the best there ever was |
| 04:52.06 | Agouti | RAWR |
| 04:52.10 | Agouti | apart from |
| 04:52.10 | tordy | ProzaicMuze is good at it :D |
| 04:52.10 | Nash|327 | it hates everyone |
| 04:52.12 | Agouti | y'know |
| 04:52.15 | tordy | but he stopped coming :( |
| 04:52.15 | Agouti | all of blizzard |
| 04:52.22 | Agouti | at least a billion people on sc2mapster |
| 04:52.31 | Agouti | the pope |
| 04:52.32 | Agouti | etc |
| 04:52.35 | Nash|327 | and 1 kittun |
| 04:52.43 | Jum-Jum | theres just a few things I wanna do |
| 04:52.49 | Agouti | I have my kittun for mapping |
| 04:52.49 | tordy | like what |
| 04:52.57 | tordy | if it involves actors, im no good |
| 04:53.01 | Agouti | if the answer is "something which a melee unit does" |
| 04:53.15 | Agouti | the response will be most likely "have you seen how the melee unit does it?" |
| 04:53.18 | Jum-Jum | Well im making this sorta coop map, and I want the terran AI to build the campaign units. so im sorta trying to figure out what the easiest way to do that is |
| 04:53.32 | Jum-Jum | and also, i wanted to add a shrike turret (the one thats usually on bunkers in the campaign) but on the siege tank instead |
| 04:53.37 | tordy | isnt that more triggers |
| 04:53.45 | Agouti | yes |
| 04:53.49 | Agouti | most AI stuff is triggers |
| 04:53.58 | Agouti | there is a little you can do inside the DE to help it out |
| 04:54.04 | tordy | i got the AI to make some of my custom units so it's alright |
| 04:54.09 | Agouti | but I haven't done any AI stuff |
| 04:54.24 | Jum-Jum | well the campaign units is inside teh special shop thing |
| 04:54.29 | Jum-Jum | I mean the upgraded ones, the mercs |
| 04:54.32 | tordy | for shrike turret |
| 04:54.35 | tordy | turret & weapon? |
| 04:54.38 | Jum-Jum | basically you build siege tanks, but the AI builds siege breakers |
| 04:54.38 | tordy | + some actor |
| 04:54.41 | tordy | for the turret |
| 04:54.51 | Jum-Jum | so I wanna replace his units with the merc ones |
| 04:54.53 | Nash|327 | site op attachments and all that joy |
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| 04:55.20 | tordy | well you wanna get rid of the siege tank's turret? |
| 04:55.24 | tordy | and replace it with shrike? |
| 04:56.25 | Nash|327 | I thought it was part of the model |
| 04:56.29 | Jum-Jum | no |
| 04:56.35 | Jum-Jum | I want it to be on top of the siege tank |
| 04:56.37 | Jum-Jum | like on the bunker |
| 04:56.45 | Tempest4 | hey, what is a canister rifle, what is "canister" refering to |
| 04:56.45 | Jum-Jum | but it'll prolly look fugly |
| 04:58.01 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 04:58.09 | Nash|327 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canister_shot presumably? |
| 04:59.29 | Jum-Jum | you know what, the shrike turret isnt that important. i ujst thought it would be kinda cool |
| 04:59.52 | Jum-Jum | im just going to go ahead and try to figure out how to apply the campaign upgrades to the AI |
| 05:00.00 | Jum-Jum | without messing up the regular melee Terran :| |
| 05:00.07 | JademusSreg | Yes, it probably refers to the rounds fired by the rifle. |
| 05:00.18 | JademusSreg | Or the tactical rounds, like EMP and lockdown. |
| 05:00.40 | JademusSreg | It fires "25mm high explosive rounds". |
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| 05:03.01 | TheFrozenMuffin | My Research Weapon Refit "to get yamato cannon" does not go away after it is researched |
| 05:03.40 | TheFrozenMuffin | any idea why? |
| 05:04.02 | JademusSreg | I'm guessing a requirement. |
| 05:04.26 | Nash|327 | yup |
| 05:04.30 | Nash|327 | requirement |
| 05:04.38 | JademusSreg | Probably "Is Not Researched" or something. |
| 05:04.40 | Nash|327 | I'm going with that as well. |
| 05:05.42 | JademusSreg | If Restricted turns a button grey and lists the requirements, then it probably Suppresses the button. |
| 05:06.48 | TheFrozenMuffin | ok, I'm at the fusion core. click on Fusion core research and research weapon refit has no requirement |
| 05:07.23 | TheFrozenMuffin | and I open it at Ability commands of fusion core research and I get requirement none |
| 05:07.28 | JademusSreg | In the campaign, many upgrades were applied via trigger. |
| 05:07.29 | TheFrozenMuffin | where else to look? |
| 05:07.35 | TheFrozenMuffin | none |
| 05:08.01 | JademusSreg | Just look a any standard upgrade, the ability that researches it in particular. |
| 05:08.10 | JademusSreg | Also, the command card slot. |
| 05:08.43 | TheFrozenMuffin | Ability command "button = Research weapon refit; upgrade = Battlecruiser - Weapon Refit" |
| 05:09.56 | TheFrozenMuffin | Also when it finishes |
| 05:10.06 | TheFrozenMuffin | I still can't fire my yatamo cannons |
| 05:10.17 | TheFrozenMuffin | just says "requires yamato" |
| 05:12.49 | JademusSreg | I can only hand wave in the approximately correct direction. I'm too busy to dig in and find the solution in detail. |
| 05:13.17 | TheFrozenMuffin | ok, deleted my fusion core and it reverted back. works now. But the cannons will still not fire |
| 05:16.19 | TheFrozenMuffin | wth is this? |
| 05:16.43 | TheFrozenMuffin | The requirements for Weapons refit is "Learn Battlefield Conversion" |
| 05:16.45 | TheFrozenMuffin | what is that? |
| 05:18.00 | TheFrozenMuffin | And the requirement for execute of yamato cannon is not "use yamato cannon" it's "use battlecruiser specializations |
| 05:18.03 | TheFrozenMuffin | haha |
| 05:18.59 | Agouti | Best to look for yourself before asking for stuff like that. |
| 05:23.21 | TheFrozenMuffin | wasn't really asking... |
| 05:24.25 | tordy | Neville Chamberlain was an appeaser |
| 05:25.19 | Nash|327 | just thinking out loud? |
| 05:25.43 | tordy | no was watchin this |
| 05:25.44 | tordy | Neville Chamberlain |
| 05:26.22 | Nash|327 | tordy, I wasn't talking to you, we already concluded you are random, remember? |
| 05:26.52 | TheFrozenMuffin | more like ranting ^^ |
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| 05:27.24 | tordy | what did Neville Chamberlain do? |
| 05:27.59 | Nash|327 | ranting is really just thinking out loud, only with more annoyance |
| 05:45.58 | TheFrozenMuffin | Thanks for your help. I'm about 90% done. |
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| 05:53.27 | Nash|327 | SPAAAACE |
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| 06:04.46 | timecat | when you salvage a bunker is there a way to make it return a % of its cost back rather than a fixed amount? |
| 06:06.38 | JademusSreg | A field witbh the word Fraction in it. |
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| 06:08.31 | timecat | hmm even when i set it to a fixed amount it still doesn't return anything |
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| 06:16.24 | Nash|327 | They added a "no exchanges, no refunds" policy. |
| 06:16.37 | timecat | D: |
| 06:17.07 | timecat | so it refunds me money if i use salvage - bunker but it doesn't if i use salvage - bunker (refund) |
| 06:17.23 | Nash|327 | Too many people kept coming in with half-broken bunkers. |
| 06:17.28 | timecat | even tho the first one only deals with the delay and calls on the second to actually make stuff happen |
| 06:17.37 | Nash|327 | Hey, this bunker is on fire. |
| 06:17.43 | timecat | lol |
| 06:17.48 | Nash|327 | You want a refund on a bunker that's on fire? |
| 06:17.54 | Nash|327 | With zerglings all over it? |
| 06:17.58 | timecat | ya |
| 06:17.59 | Nash|327 | What are you, nuts? |
| 06:18.04 | timecat | how much can i get for it? |
| 06:18.10 | Nash|327 | Nothing. |
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| 06:18.35 | timecat | you mean i carried this thing four miles for nothing? |
| 06:18.57 | Nash|327 | You built it, you keep it. |
| 06:19.30 | Nash|327 | If you can't keep it from being blasted by Banelings, that's not our problem. |
| 06:21.07 | Nash|327 | You didn't even bother to move your Marines out of it! |
| 06:21.45 | Nash|327 | You come in here with a burning bunker covered in zerg goo, with 4 Marines inside, and expect a refund? |
| 06:22.24 | Nash|327 | I don't know what you are smoking, but you should quit while you still have some brain cells left. |
| 06:22.46 | Nash|327 | Next! |
| 06:23.52 | Agouti | OK, that is fucking weird |
| 06:24.10 | Agouti | I have train/revive abilities for a hero on a building |
| 06:24.18 | Nash|327 | Not weird fucking? |
| 06:24.27 | Nash|327 | Because the Internet is full of that. |
| 06:24.31 | Agouti | no, I wouldn't be complaining if that was the case |
| 06:24.33 | Agouti | but the buttons are being replaced by different |
| 06:24.37 | Agouti | units |
| 06:24.57 | Agouti | I can't work out how or why |
| 06:25.09 | Agouti | the only link is that the other units are also marked as Heroes |
| 06:25.42 | Nash|327 | As I recall, the revive button changes based on your hero. |
| 06:26.05 | Agouti | well yes, the buttons and their text are being auto-generated |
| 06:26.16 | Agouti | but what I don't get is why it is doing it |
| 06:26.19 | Nash|327 | And if you have multiple heroes, could be some odd crap that it sets it to whatever hero died most recently or such. |
| 06:26.53 | Agouti | no, there was never a hero for the units in question |
| 06:26.54 | Agouti | er |
| 06:26.55 | Agouti | revive |
| 06:26.59 | Agouti | one is the shop, for example |
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| 07:10.09 | Tempest4 | how do you export the .dds images from the editor, im not able to save them.. |
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| 07:24.34 | Agouti | WTF |
| 07:24.39 | Agouti | 1.3.5 |
| 07:24.43 | Agouti | broke revive abilities |
| 07:24.45 | Agouti | so hard |
| 07:25.09 | Agouti | got 10 kinds of problems with them replacing the real unit to be revived with some other random owned unit |
| 07:25.15 | JademusSreg | Tempest, with an NVIDIA plug in for photoshop. |
| 07:25.15 | Agouti | if I do it in SP |
| 07:25.20 | JademusSreg | Or is gimp. |
| 07:25.26 | Agouti | I can fix it by makeunit (actual unit that is revived) |
| 07:25.30 | Agouti | both, JademusSreg |
| 07:25.44 | Agouti | and then the unit is displayed correctly |
| 07:25.44 | JademusSreg | *use |
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| 07:25.48 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 07:25.52 | Agouti | but seriously |
| 07:25.53 | Agouti | wtf |
| 07:26.06 | Agouti | there is no link whatsoever with the unit it is replacing it with |
| 07:26.07 | Rodrigo | so.... who will be the good fellow who will sell me a blizzCon ticket? |
| 07:26.24 | Agouti | it still has the correct cost and time for the real unit to be revived |
| 07:26.32 | Agouti | I... don't understand |
| 07:26.41 | Agouti | Rodrigo, eBay, of course |
| 07:26.42 | Rodrigo | i got a free flight to california. I don't want to throw my flight away.... I need a blizzCon ticket..... |
| 07:26.51 | Rodrigo | kk I'll check it out |
| 07:27.03 | Agouti | Thinking is so hard, innit |
| 07:27.22 | Rodrigo | $250!!!!! |
| 07:27.26 | Agouti | Failing that I'm sure you will be able to sell the plane ticket. |
| 07:27.27 | Rodrigo | I dun wanna pay 250 |
| 07:27.44 | Agouti | Should of thought about that before it sold out, shouldn't you? |
| 07:27.51 | Rodrigo | Alaska Airlines is unrefundable |
| 07:27.53 | Rodrigo | cant sell, cant transfer |
| 07:28.38 | Agouti | Scalpers gonna scalp. |
| 07:29.07 | Rodrigo | what's a "goody bag"? |
| 07:29.17 | Rodrigo | BlizzCon 2011 Event Ticket WITH Goody Bag |
| 07:29.26 | Rodrigo | wtf is a goody bag |
| 07:29.33 | Deaod | some material good blizzard gives you for attending blizzcon |
| 07:29.43 | Deaod | stickers |
| 07:29.47 | Rodrigo | like? |
| 07:29.51 | Deaod | idk. |
| 07:29.57 | Deaod | never been to blizzcon |
| 07:31.00 | Rodrigo | i found one with partial goody bag |
| 07:31.01 | Rodrigo | US $163.55 |
| 07:31.05 | Rodrigo | I think that's alright |
| 07:31.26 | Rodrigo | i dont #*%$! knows wtf is in a goody bag |
| 07:31.37 | Rodrigo | hopefully, it's not something too expensive |
| 07:32.30 | Deaod | i think last blizzcon there was a miniature model of deathwing in it |
| 07:32.45 | Agouti | do want |
| 07:34.47 | Rodrigo | i dont want a miniature |
| 07:34.57 | Rodrigo | i would care if it's a beta invitation for diablo 3 |
| 07:35.01 | Rodrigo | fuck the miniature |
| 07:35.24 | Deaod | who knows, maybe a beta invite is in that bag |
| 07:35.33 | Rodrigo | O.o |
| 07:35.48 | Rodrigo | Sixennnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn |
| 07:35.57 | Rodrigo | Sixen |
| 07:36.51 | Tempest4 | i have the plugin for photoshop |
| 07:37.02 | Tempest4 | i cant export these files from the sc2 editor |
| 07:37.23 | Tempest4 | i was googling 120mm bullets |
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| 07:37.30 | Tempest4 | and this is the only result all over |
| 07:37.31 | Tempest4 | http://www.drugstore.com/rocks-off-ro-120mm-bullet-chrome/qxp226684 |
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| 07:39.40 | Sixen | lol |
| 07:39.48 | Sixen | I just rpelied |
| 07:42.58 | Rodrigo | Hey sixen |
| 07:43.13 | Rodrigo | I am looking for buying the blizzcon ticket on eBay, but I'm not sure |
| 07:43.25 | Rodrigo | first, do u know what's on the goodies bag? |
| 07:43.34 | Tempest4 | i was asking if anyone is able to export .dds files FROM the editor? |
| 07:44.05 | Sixen | they haven't announced what the goody bag would have yet |
| 07:44.22 | Sixen | but it always has some collectibles,r andom other little cool stuff, and a beta card/in-game lootfor wow/sc2 |
| 07:45.10 | Rodrigo | diablo 3 beta? |
| 07:45.20 | Sixen | possibly, yes |
| 07:45.23 | Sixen | or hots beta next year |
| 07:45.28 | Sixen | d3 beta will already be started |
| 07:45.32 | Rodrigo | damn, why I cant buy from someone :( |
| 07:45.41 | Rodrigo | why blizzard has to complicate so much |
| 07:45.55 | Sixen | you coudl've, up until june 10th |
| 07:46.00 | Sixen | or july 10th |
| 07:46.22 | Rodrigo | i just realized I could go right now |
| 07:46.34 | Rodrigo | and that I have a free flight |
| 07:46.51 | Agouti | you didn't get organized in time and lost out |
| 07:46.52 | Agouti | too bad |
| 07:47.05 | Agouti | you can always buy one from the scalpers on ebay |
| 07:47.14 | Agouti | but if you aren't prepared to pay that |
| 07:47.18 | Rodrigo | but I have to meet them |
| 07:47.19 | Agouti | SooL. |
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| 08:01.27 | Helral | meow |
| 08:02.29 | Helral | Tempest4: from the editor, no idea. I usually browse the MPQ files for the images if I need them. |
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| 08:06.11 | Agouti | Tempest4, yes, very easily |
| 08:06.25 | Agouti | just do as Helral said |
| 08:06.39 | Agouti | or you can do it from inside the editor by turning on hidden files |
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| 08:54.02 | Clord | would be nice if they gave more with those virtual tickets they started to use in Blizzcon ^^ |
| 08:56.17 | Clord | (D3 beta access) |
| 08:59.28 | Tempest4 | i cant export those files because it wont allow me to save .dds |
| 08:59.31 | Tempest4 | iono |
| 08:59.40 | Tempest4 | i can save it as .jpg |
| 08:59.47 | Tempest4 | but that doesnt help |
| 09:00.11 | Tempest4 | wont let me change it or open with photoshop |
| 09:00.31 | Clord | as far I know.. MPQ editor does the trick when you want something out from MPQ file |
| 09:00.35 | Tempest4 | (yes i have the photoshop plugins, i just cant save or get the file to be .dda |
| 09:00.37 | timecat | tempest: what editing program are you using? |
| 09:00.45 | timecat | oh |
| 09:00.58 | timecat | are you sure the plugins are installed correctly? |
| 09:01.14 | Tempest4 | .. yeah iv made a lot of stuff with it |
| 09:01.15 | timecat | also you could try that free editor the site mentioned |
| 09:01.21 | Tempest4 | the problem is i cant get the file to be .dds at all |
| 09:01.42 | Tempest4 | cant export it as .dds, cant recognise it as ,dds, cant even get it to be an unknown file with .dds |
| 09:01.50 | timecat | idk, i just used the pictures that the guy already uploaded |
| 09:01.52 | Clord | you are aware that SCII supports TGA too? just saying that TGA works wonders too |
| 09:01.56 | Tempest4 | the editor isnt the problem |
| 09:02.19 | Tempest4 | just want to be able to export the .dds files as .dds, have uu tryed doing that? |
| 09:02.28 | Tempest4 | from the sc2 editor |
| 09:02.32 | timecat | nope |
| 09:03.11 | Tempest4 | i need cloak, decloak, and emp with their transparencies |
| 09:03.22 | Tempest4 | to make somthing |
| 09:07.54 | Jum-Jum | Right, simple question. I added the medic to the barracks, and at the bottom you're suppose to add Ability Command: Train Medic |
| 09:08.06 | Jum-Jum | But I dont know where Train Medic is |
| 09:08.11 | Jum-Jum | or where I can 'create' one |
| 09:08.36 | Jum-Jum | I added the medic to the command card and all |
| 09:08.50 | timecat | you gotta add it to the build table first |
| 09:09.22 | timecat | or the barracks - train |
| 09:09.40 | timecat | make sure you have a button for it too |
| 09:09.43 | Jum-Jum | Wheres the build table? |
| 09:10.09 | Jum-Jum | I found the Barracks Train but when I add the medic there I have the button Train Medic but not the unit :| |
| 09:11.16 | Jum-Jum | honestly you people who actually spend a lot of time in the data editor need a medal, I just find it to be one huge mess |
| 09:11.25 | timecat | lol |
| 09:11.31 | timecat | ok so under barracks - train |
| 09:11.38 | timecat | you have a command, a button, and a unit |
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| 09:11.55 | timecat | so choose any command and double click it |
| 09:11.59 | tordy | wassup |
| 09:12.07 | timecat | select your button then scroll to the bottom and choose the unit |
| 09:12.07 | Jum-Jum | yea |
| 09:12.42 | timecat | once you do that go back to the barracks |
| 09:12.48 | timecat | make sure it has the barracks - train ability |
| 09:13.00 | timecat | now you can add train - unit to its command card |
| 09:13.34 | Jum-Jum | ah there it is, missed the scrollbar when you add the unit to the build table |
| 09:13.44 | timecat | yea they put it at the bottom for some reason |
| 09:13.49 | timecat | bad design i guess |
| 09:14.06 | Jum-Jum | good idea, lets blame the editor and not my stupidity |
| 09:14.20 | timecat | also if you're not already, you should be viewing everything in the table view |
| 09:14.28 | timecat | not in the gui |
| 09:14.34 | tordy | Agouti you hearing about players dropping from customs that arent joining from fun or not? |
| 09:14.38 | tordy | D: |
| 09:18.45 | timecat | @Jum-Jum tbh its really not that hard to learn, just spend time on it and you'll figure out where everything is |
| 09:18.57 | tordy | hello Jum-Jum !! :) |
| 09:19.29 | Jum-Jum | ITS ALIIIIIIIIIVE!!!!!! |
| 09:19.31 | Jum-Jum | and hi |
| 09:19.57 | Jum-Jum | timecat: I suppose, it's just that the Wc3 was just so much easier to navigate. I can understand the the SC2 editor is more advanced and powerful, but they really put the difficulty bar up a lot. :| |
| 09:20.14 | timecat | oh i totally agree |
| 09:20.22 | Jum-Jum | I'm the kind of guy who just likes to mess around once in a while and do some stuff that I thought would look cool |
| 09:20.31 | Jum-Jum | I never really make anything thats uh... 'playable' for anybody else |
| 09:20.33 | timecat | yea i know what you mean |
| 09:21.44 | timecat | i wish blizz spent more time fixing their editor |
| 09:24.01 | Jum-Jum | yea |
| 09:25.09 | tordy | how do i make a turret turn the entire unit? |
| 09:25.37 | tordy | phoenix does it but i tried copying it and it didnt work |
| 09:30.40 | timecat | why not just set the unit's weapon arc to a small number |
| 09:30.50 | timecat | so that it has to turn to attack |
| 09:38.13 | Agouti | it's been happening to me tordy |
| 09:38.18 | Agouti | I've asked in here oh |
| 09:38.22 | Agouti | half a dozen times |
| 09:39.08 | Agouti | Removing the custom dependency fixed it, as I expected |
| 09:44.56 | Agouti | tordy, phoenix doesn't use a turret? |
| 09:45.15 | tordy | it does if you use multi dependency |
| 09:45.36 | tordy | because its weapon can attack while moving |
| 09:46.14 | tordy | woah that boop was loud |
| 09:47.37 | tordy | you know if these guys use custom dependencies? |
| 09:47.38 | tordy | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/2878491161 |
| 09:52.41 | Clord | hehe.. one rule of mapping... don't use multi dependency unless you are making it melee map XD |
| 09:52.56 | tordy | i know |
| 09:52.58 | tordy | im not using it |
| 09:53.19 | tordy | but just figuring out how i can make an entire unit turn from its turret |
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| 09:58.22 | Currydevil | what's multi dependency? |
| 09:58.31 | Currydevil | nvm, i think i answered it. lol |
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| 09:59.10 | Clord | lol |
| 09:59.46 | Currydevil | liberty multi right? |
| 10:00.21 | tordy | so Clord how bout those banks |
| 10:00.23 | tordy | any reports? |
| 10:00.26 | Currydevil | yes, no? |
| 10:00.33 | tordy | yep |
| 10:00.43 | Currydevil | so what's the reasoning not to use it then? |
| 10:01.03 | tordy | subtle changes you dont want in your map |
| 10:01.19 | tordy | sometimes actor changes that can screw things up |
| 10:01.27 | Currydevil | even though it's on by default? lol |
| 10:02.01 | tordy | liberty multi updates often because sc2 melee is based o it |
| 10:02.11 | tordy | campaign & mod not so much |
| 10:02.16 | tordy | no one cares bout campaign balance |
| 10:02.26 | tordy | so you dont have to worry about it breaking your map |
| 10:04.49 | Currydevil | oh ok |
| 10:04.53 | Currydevil | so just turn off multi then |
| 10:05.06 | Currydevil | good to know before i start working on my mod file |
| 10:06.26 | Mexa|Tee | Serious yawn :v |
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| 10:10.36 | Caz | battlenet down ? |
| 10:10.56 | Statharas | t/msg nickserv identify |
| 10:11.14 | Statharas | yawn |
| 10:11.17 | Caz | oh apparently it is |
| 10:11.25 | Statharas | my project is recruiting skilled people |
| 10:11.50 | Statharas | http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/modification-development-presentation-664/recruiting-koprulu-incident-wos-199791/ check this out if you're interested |
| 10:11.51 | Caz | All projects are recruiting skilled people, until they settle for less skilled without lowering the demands :x |
| 10:13.56 | Statharas | Good point |
| 10:14.25 | Statharas | But mine does indeed need skilled people |
| 10:15.10 | Statharas | I am working on the very first model |
| 10:16.15 | Jum-Jum | I'm recruiting low skilled people, so I dont have to feel bad about myself |
| 10:16.16 | Caz | I iz newb ^^ |
| 10:16.45 | Caz | But holy cupcakes batman, 8hrs of server down-ness :( |
| 10:17.04 | Jum-Jum | huh? on what? |
| 10:17.16 | Caz | battle net |
| 10:18.44 | Statharas | wat |
| 10:18.48 | Statharas | which server |
| 10:18.50 | Statharas | EU? |
| 10:19.10 | Caz | NA |
| 10:20.19 | Caz | I ended a round of sotis and was insta-kicked saying battlenet was down or internet was junk... looks to be a "scheduled" downtime from 3am-11am |
| 10:20.32 | Caz | which will go till 2pm here |
| 10:40.02 | Statharas | http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/modification-development-presentation-664/recruiting-koprulu-incident-wos-199791/#post1967716 |
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| 12:11.14 | Clord | blizzard games especially in starcraft universe... there is tons of stuff we don't even know how it looks or even how typical protoss citizen would even life XD |
| 12:11.42 | soopadoug | lol |
| 12:11.53 | Clord | errm... live XD |
| 12:11.58 | soopadoug | i dunno |
| 12:12.06 | soopadoug | eat, sleep, live |
| 12:12.10 | Clord | lol |
| 12:12.13 | Clord | I mean more like |
| 12:12.20 | Clord | you would imagine there is those who produce stuff |
| 12:12.25 | Clord | they all can't be warriors lol |
| 12:12.34 | Clord | not to mention maintenance crew |
| 12:12.57 | soopadoug | xel naga or hybrids more interesting |
| 12:13.18 | soopadoug | maybe in legacy of voids they introduce new race |
| 12:13.21 | soopadoug | and on to sc3 |
| 12:13.30 | Jum-Jum | they will never make a new race for sc2 |
| 12:13.34 | Jum-Jum | sc even |
| 12:13.45 | Jum-Jum | the xel'naga race was pretty meh |
| 12:13.57 | Jum-Jum | "we are evil, because we are evil. and now we want to kill everything for no reason." |
| 12:13.58 | Jum-Jum | :| |
| 12:17.27 | Clord | it is obvious that some race show itself as at least campaign only race |
| 12:17.37 | Clord | long awaited cash cow XD |
| 12:18.59 | Clord | classical sci-fi case of super powerful race |
| 12:19.03 | Clord | what with no explanation |
| 12:19.06 | Clord | has gone away and comes back |
| 12:19.07 | Clord | lol |
| 12:24.23 | Cronos | talking about sci-fi .. cowboys vs alians ... really? people with 6 shooters have a chance vs flying lazer beam shooting alians? |
| 12:25.07 | Cronos | but at least its something differnt i guess .. seems hollywood is running out of ideas .. there remaking spider man already |
| 12:36.38 | Agouti | I smell a big server patch in readyness for something |
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| 13:10.15 | Cronos | for sc2? its the ladder reset + new maps |
| 13:16.46 | Jum-Jum | Clord: Maybe xel'naga in a worst case scenario, like Naga was in the campaign. A playable race but not really 'that' playable. |
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| 13:23.48 | Wiz10011 | Hello |
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| 13:33.52 | soopadoug | they should add an unlimited resources map in ladder like big game hunters |
| 13:35.30 | Agouti | who is "they" |
| 13:35.35 | Agouti | those maps already exists |
| 13:35.38 | Agouti | exist* |
| 13:35.48 | soopadoug | not an official one they = blizzard |
| 13:36.15 | Agouti | if you want to play those maps |
| 13:36.18 | Agouti | go play them |
| 13:36.30 | soopadoug | well for ones that count on your record |
| 13:36.33 | Agouti | no tournament operator or competor is going to want them in rotation |
| 13:36.56 | soopadoug | yea no one plays it as custom maps in sc2 |
| 13:37.10 | Agouti | that says something, doesn't it? |
| 13:37.35 | Agouti | clearly it would irritate or annoy far more people than it would please |
| 13:37.44 | Agouti | basic business to avoid that sort of thing |
| 13:38.10 | soopadoug | blizzard might put that map in rotation in the expansions |
| 13:38.32 | soopadoug | in sc1 big game hunters and fast maps werent up til brood war came out |
| 13:39.22 | Agouti | clearly it would irritate or annoy far more people than it would please |
| 13:39.23 | Agouti | basic business to avoid that sort of thing |
| 13:40.09 | soopadoug | not everyone plays to prepare for a tournament |
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| 14:35.57 | Clord | if blizzard would allow maps like big game hunter etc to be in ladder... they would create new ladder obviously.. as blizzard is not dumb and ruin the core game for many |
| 14:36.19 | Clord | and many other non melee like custom games XD |
| 14:39.23 | Jum-Jum | adding maps like that would just completely mess up the ladder, would be like shooting themselves on the foot |
| 14:46.56 | soopadoug | most ppl i knew played sc1 for big game hunters |
| 14:47.35 | soopadoug | lost temple was the ladder map for clan tournaments |
| 14:48.36 | soopadoug | for sc2 i think blizzards wants players to get used to playing normal first |
| 14:48.56 | soopadoug | then theyll add mineral maps and a fastest game speed in a update patch later |
| 14:49.26 | Wiz10011 | I played SC1 for the custom maps. Oh how I enjoyed those custom maps. |
| 14:49.52 | soopadoug | user map settings in sc1 didnt count on your record |
| 14:50.07 | Wiz10011 | Didn't care about my sc1 record. |
| 14:50.30 | Wiz10011 | not everything is about the record. |
| 14:50.56 | soopadoug | in sc1 use map settings whoever hosted a game was on top of the list and players joined |
| 14:51.14 | soopadoug | with the new sc2 client if u a host a game its on the bottom of the list and no one joins |
| 14:51.22 | Wiz10011 | top Im pretty sure the list scrolled down.. you're thinking of wc3. |
| 14:51.54 | soopadoug | well now its a popularity chart for custom maps |
| 14:52.11 | soopadoug | its hard for new maps to get on the first few pages |
| 14:52.21 | Wiz10011 | which I dont understand how that plays into your they should add Big game hunters to ladder debate. |
| 14:53.03 | soopadoug | maybe later therell be another game mode where we're not stuck in ladder |
| 14:53.32 | soopadoug | and we get melee maps to choose from |
| 14:54.04 | Wiz10011 | Dont plan on it. |
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| 14:54.25 | soopadoug | yea because the auto matchmaking |
| 14:55.24 | Wiz10011 | A game with unlimited resources is stupid, People will just turtle the hell out of that, Sure people turtle now but it would be more common in those types of map to the point people will add that map to the dont play list. |
| 14:56.17 | soopadoug | yea games either end too early or take forever to finish |
| 14:58.10 | soopadoug | it wasnt that balanced either zerg and toss have advanges to mass units |
| 14:58.10 | Jum-Jum | soopadoug: Just like how they added dota and element td to the ladder on wc3? |
| 14:58.31 | soopadoug | i dunno i didnt play wc3 much only sc1 |
| 14:58.46 | Jum-Jum | they never did |
| 14:58.52 | Wiz10011 | They didnt. |
| 14:58.52 | Jum-Jum | and they are custom maps because they are custom |
| 14:59.01 | Statharas | http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/modification-development-presentation-664/recruiting-koprulu-incident-wos-199791/ |
| 14:59.10 | Jum-Jum | the ladder is never going to get custom maps, thats why they made the whole feature popularity crap |
| 14:59.14 | Statharas | in a serious project? |
| 14:59.14 | Statharas | nobody that interested? |
| 14:59.21 | Wiz10011 | they didnt add any type of custom maps for WC3 to the WC3 ladder, I thought of the samething Jum-Jum but there's a reason I didnt bring it up before |
| 14:59.36 | Jum-Jum | I know |
| 14:59.41 | Wiz10011 | it's a different development team, so they can do different stuf. |
| 15:00.25 | Wiz10011 | But the point jum-jum made is still valid. |
| 15:00.40 | Wiz10011 | Chances of them adding a custom map to ladder is slim to none. |
| 15:01.17 | soopadoug | http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Big_Game_Hunters |
| 15:01.22 | soopadoug | it was included in brood war |
| 15:01.49 | Jum-Jum | Welcome to 2011, that was then. esports is bigger and more serious now |
| 15:02.12 | Wiz10011 | things change, dont expect them to add a map to ladder because they did in the past. |
| 15:02.30 | soopadoug | for fun not for esports or anything |
| 15:02.43 | Wiz10011 | Thats what custom maps are for then. |
| 15:02.55 | soopadoug | but for to count in records and leagues |
| 15:03.10 | Wiz10011 | Yea that's not going to happen. |
| 15:03.16 | Jum-Jum | They have been talking about doing some sort of separate ladder system or something for custom maps, but thats not going to be until the expansion... or maybe even the second expansion who knows. |
| 15:03.20 | Clord | I think many confuse "fun maps" with "not serious".... XD that is not the case for many in many popular maps |
| 15:04.03 | soopadoug | maybe itll be added in the expansion |
| 15:04.37 | soopadoug | no one wants to play the same thing it is now over and over |
| 15:04.45 | Wiz10011 | The custom map ladder system they might do for their blizzard-allstars? Maybe, dont expect it for every map most likely only for those within the marketplace. |
| 15:05.04 | soopadoug | what marketplace? |
| 15:05.33 | Cronos | knowing acti's role in bnet2 .. they will prob charge for your custom ladder for your maps you mkae |
| 15:05.52 | Wiz10011 | Why does activision have to do with battle.net 2? |
| 15:05.58 | Cronos | marketplace is a way for ppl to sell there maps |
| 15:06.22 | Wiz10011 | what does activision have to do with Battle.net 2. |
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| 15:06.37 | Cronos | if that leaked info from way back is even a little try there adding 3rd party games to bnet2 .. ie acti games |
| 15:06.42 | soopadoug | its doubtful players will pay for maps |
| 15:06.43 | Cronos | true* |
| 15:06.57 | Wiz10011 | What leaked info? |
| 15:07.14 | Cronos | there was a leaked timeline from china .. |
| 15:07.20 | soopadoug | activision games are on steam already |
| 15:07.22 | Jum-Jum | <soopadoug> no one wants to play the same thing it is now over and over |
| 15:07.29 | Wiz10011 | you mean that chart? |
| 15:07.29 | Jum-Jum | dota is being played ALL the time on wc3 |
| 15:07.39 | Jum-Jum | and you said you just wanted to play big game hunters, its the same thing since sc1... |
| 15:07.44 | Cronos | ya one of the things on the chart was 3rd party |
| 15:08.01 | soopadoug | bgh could be different in sc2 |
| 15:08.15 | soopadoug | with new units and on official map |
| 15:09.30 | Cronos | and people will buy maps for sc2 ... i mean sc2 has ppl from wow and those retards buy funky looking unicorn mounts to fly around on |
| 15:09.39 | Wiz10011 | Could be, Chances of that happening are still Slim to zero. |
| 15:09.55 | Wiz10011 | Cronos dont assume everyone buy those mounts/pets |
| 15:10.20 | Cronos | no but they make a lot of money from there store |
| 15:10.24 | Wiz10011 | I used to play wow and i NEVER bought any of those things, Some people do and everyone that sees those people with the mounts we mock them to hell. |
| 15:10.28 | Cronos | ppl do buy ingame things |
| 15:11.10 | Cronos | theres tons of ppl that buy pets / mounts now .. i dont play but a friend does and like 40% of his guild has bought shit |
| 15:11.47 | Wiz10011 | Yea, some people do buy the pets, but the mounts was rare from what I saw |
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| 15:12.45 | Cronos | ya agreed most get pets ... but im just saying if a map is say 1.99$ ppl will buy it .. not all but if 10% of sc2 players do its a lot of cash |
| 15:13.03 | Wiz10011 | Yea I agree thats true. |
| 15:13.57 | Cronos | only prob is .. customs suck unless yours a good player base .. so getting your map to sell will be hard untill your known |
| 15:14.58 | Wiz10011 | I would buy some maps from sc2 market place, but they have to be REALLY good maps. and I would need to test them wont buy something from word of mouth. |
| 15:15.03 | Cronos | you will have to make a demo version get it popualr then release a full |
| 15:15.12 | Wiz10011 | but nothing more then 3 bucks per map. |
| 15:16.05 | Cronos | how many ppl play sc2? if blizz lets the map maker choose the price .. putting a map for 99 cents might be better then say 3-4 bucks .. a ton more ppl would be willing to pay 99 |
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| 15:16.25 | Cronos | and if 1 million ppl play your map at 99 cents it still more then i make in a year lol |
| 15:17.13 | Wiz10011 | dont forget blizzard is going to take a cut. |
| 15:18.00 | Cronos | ya even 50% cut would get you 500k .. if you had 5 ppl on a map team still 100k a year if you did 1 map a year .. good money if you have the team and talent to make a good map |
| 15:18.27 | Cronos | but thats like 1% of the map makers lol .. i couldnt do it |
| 15:18.36 | Wiz10011 | Yea but honestly selling a map for 99 cents to a million people? is there that many even playing SC2? |
| 15:18.59 | Cronos | i think sc2 world wide has over 5 million now |
| 15:19.06 | Jum-Jum | theres millions of people playing |
| 15:19.12 | Cronos | hopefully the market place would be world wide not reagin |
| 15:19.28 | Jum-Jum | but yeah, getting an actual heft profit from a map seems pretty impossible |
| 15:19.40 | Jum-Jum | hefty*, i dont know where i got that word from |
| 15:19.42 | Jum-Jum | man i am tired |
| 15:19.47 | Wiz10011 | I see. Dont forget most likely blizzard will also release some type of premium service for map makers, most likely publish worldwide and more storage. |
| 15:19.48 | Cronos | ya you would have to be the top 1% of map teams |
| 15:20.13 | Cronos | but some will make a ton |
| 15:20.59 | Wiz10011 | Yep, most likely more people will form teams to make maps. |
| 15:21.43 | Wiz10011 | And then most likely someone will be a douchebag and when they form a team they keep all the profit if its not split automatically and get banned from the SC2 community. |
| 15:21.46 | Cronos | theres going to be profession companys also... a few tryed to profit from wow addons and blizz shut them down.. sc2 market will welcome them |
| 15:22.21 | Wiz10011 | Really? didnt hear about those. |
| 15:22.41 | Wiz10011 | I heard about one of the mods having a paid version. which was one of those questing mods. |
| 15:23.08 | Cronos | one was making a raid ui ... raid panels healing boss health had it all nice and neat but blizz told them they couldnt sell it so they stopped |
| 15:23.39 | Jum-Jum | yeah thats different |
| 15:23.44 | Cronos | it was bc pre bc if i remmeber right and way ahead of the others |
| 15:24.19 | Wiz10011 | cosmos or something like that? |
| 15:24.28 | vailreth | we talking market place? |
| 15:24.38 | Cronos | na it was 3 letters ndx or something |
| 15:24.49 | Wiz10011 | Oh they didn't release it then? |
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| 15:25.09 | Cronos | no you had to pay to get it |
| 15:25.25 | Cronos | i saw it .. was nice but i wouldnt pay for a mod |
| 15:25.29 | Wiz10011 | never heard of it then. probably didn't last long. |
| 15:25.34 | Cronos | nope |
| 15:25.36 | Wiz10011 | Yea neither would I. |
| 15:26.01 | Wiz10011 | But yes Vailreth, talking about the market place and the possibly of whats to come of it. |
| 15:26.28 | vailreth | premium maps and mods from blizz are all i really see coming |
| 15:26.50 | Cronos | i might buy a map if its cheap and good tho .. thats differnt its like buying a mini game .. no differnt then buying a game app for a iphone |
| 15:27.25 | Wiz10011 | yea, it has to be good for me to buy it |
| 15:27.43 | Wiz10011 | a dota rip off, Nope wont pay for it. |
| 15:27.48 | vailreth | i think they will have the ability to make demo and licensed versions of maps ... from looking at the nydus link stuff |
| 15:28.02 | vailreth | i could be wrong but ity would be nice |
| 15:28.38 | Cronos | you would have to have a demo version .. who would pay for a map blindly not knowing if others will and have a player base |
| 15:28.48 | Cronos | customs suck if no one joins lol |
| 15:29.28 | vailreth | the thing is ...would we have to make a seperate demo map and then another full map or will we be able to make them as the same map ? |
| 15:30.32 | Cronos | humm ya and they could easily make a trigger condition .. if demo dont run trigger etc |
| 15:31.17 | vailreth | there seemes to be map licesnce related stuff in the last patch.. |
| 15:31.18 | Cronos | so you could just add one line on a trigger to make it only for the paid version |
| 15:32.27 | vailreth | might require a bank though. |
| 15:32.50 | vailreth | unless they can store locally in the map that it has a license. |
| 15:32.54 | Cronos | the maps are not that secure tho are they? i mean you can say lock it so there editor cant open but im sure i saw 3rd party apps that still open them |
| 15:33.03 | Wiz10011 | The bank wont contain the license, it would be to easy lost and require to rebuy the map. |
| 15:33.25 | vailreth | thats what i mean a better system would be needed |
| 15:33.32 | Cronos | ya |
| 15:33.39 | Wiz10011 | They probably already have something planned for it. |
| 15:33.47 | vailreth | yeah. |
| 15:34.03 | Cronos | they would need to encrypit the map file you download or something |
| 15:34.12 | vailreth | perhaps something similar to the bnet acount linking between wow and the othergames. |
| 15:35.19 | Cronos | seems like dlc is where all games are heading |
| 15:35.30 | vailreth | i believe map and mod encryption would be a worthy addition to the HotS version of the engine.. |
| 15:35.38 | Cronos | xbox is putting tons into dlc for there live |
| 15:35.55 | vailreth | yeah and that sucks i cant use Live |
| 15:36.15 | Wiz10011 | I personnal hate DLC, it seems like some of it is cut from the core game so they can A) release the game sooner, and B) make additional profit, and then some companies have On-disc DLC. its done already but they want money for it. |
| 15:36.22 | Cronos | i sold my xbox didnt have time for much gamming |
| 15:36.50 | vailreth | i never play mine any more nothing on it i want to play now |
| 15:37.18 | Cronos | i liked playing ghost recon online |
| 15:37.22 | Wiz10011 | I do believe the developers can choose to charge what they want for the content they make but I still think its stupid thus why I dont ever buy DLC, expansions sure, DLC nope. |
| 15:38.01 | vailreth | we are heading for an age of pure electronic media . |
| 15:38.17 | vailreth | eventually everything will be download only and have massive dlc |
| 15:38.28 | Cronos | dlc for looks and non combat/helping stuff fine .. like wow .. but when compainys force you to get dlc to keep up with the other gamers that sucks |
| 15:38.41 | vailreth | yeah. |
| 15:38.46 | Cronos | want the best weapon pay 1.99 |
| 15:38.58 | vailreth | its mircotransactions .. |
| 15:39.18 | vailreth | .there was a great Extra Credits Vid on it last week |
| 15:39.21 | Cronos | im semi scared about d3 and that crap .. im hoping they keep it like wow . .want a pet but nothen more |
| 15:40.04 | vailreth | one compant as of the video was charging 70$ us for an eyepatch for characters... |
| 15:40.09 | vailreth | an eyepatch.... |
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| 15:40.20 | vailreth | company* |
| 15:40.20 | mapsterman | sup sons |
| 15:40.32 | Mexa|Tee | you want a fucking pet in a action hacknslash demonic game? |
| 15:40.34 | Cronos | whats that game a friend played .. rom or something? said he had to pay to repair his gear |
| 15:40.48 | Wiz10011 | No way, Who would pay $70 for a eyepatch? |
| 15:40.59 | Cronos | i dont want a pet .. just saying i hope thats there limit to selling stuff |
| 15:41.01 | vailreth | who knows but that is what the company wanted... |
| 15:41.04 | SentryIII | mmmmm |
| 15:41.10 | SentryIII | Interesting discussion. |
| 15:41.22 | Wiz10011 | He meant cosmetic DLC instead of DLC that impacts the game. |
| 15:41.31 | Cronos | ^^ |
| 15:41.39 | Mexa|Tee | Microtransactions are fine in all its glory really.. As long as it doesn't affect the gameplay in a way that makes you superior. |
| 15:41.48 | mapsterman | hey anyone knows how to convert a section of an entered chat string to integer? |
| 15:41.52 | vailreth | right |
| 15:42.04 | mapsterman | like "-minerals 200" |
| 15:42.13 | mapsterman | only save the 200 to integer |
| 15:42.23 | SentryIII | The problem is with microtransactions, you can never have LAN support. |
| 15:42.41 | Mexa|Tee | I see no relation to that |
| 15:42.41 | SentryIII | The only exception is if you're paying for non-gameplay items like skins. |
| 15:42.46 | vailreth | there never will be lan support for SC2 anyway |
| 15:42.56 | Cronos | mapsterman .. im not sure sorry :( |
| 15:43.03 | mapsterman | :/ |
| 15:43.06 | SentryIII | Let's take HoN for example |
| 15:43.13 | SentryIII | You pay $30 for an account |
| 15:43.17 | mapsterman | in that cortex map the guy did it |
| 15:43.22 | mapsterman | I wonder how |
| 15:43.24 | SentryIII | $20 to reset stats on account |
| 15:43.28 | Cronos | china has lan .. but deff not supported and prob get banned if you cought using it lol |
| 15:43.47 | vailreth | i mean Offical Lan Support from Bizz... |
| 15:43.51 | Cronos | ya |
| 15:44.00 | Mexa|Tee | china don't have official lan support |
| 15:44.01 | vailreth | which really hampers the custom scene in several ways |
| 15:44.03 | SentryIII | And some other stuffs like announcer packs that play for everyone when you kill someone |
| 15:44.14 | Cronos | not offical some china guy cracked it |
| 15:44.22 | Mexa|Tee | Sentry, likewise, being a 'fun thing' people buy it |
| 15:44.37 | Mexa|Tee | It generates money, and it is not even an income forced on any player. |
| 15:44.42 | SentryIII | If you have lan support, what's the point of stats? |
| 15:45.02 | SentryIII | Let alone paying $20 to reset them |
| 15:45.24 | Mexa|Tee | Better than smurfing |
| 15:45.26 | Mexa|Tee | lol |
| 15:45.46 | Wiz10011 | you save $10 to smurf... |
| 15:45.53 | SentryIII | LAN support means you can bypass the company's server entirely and essentially get everything you want for it |
| 15:46.07 | Ashamed | ninjaz |
| 15:46.38 | SentryIII | So to make sure they can make money off of these things, it has to be on a central server |
| 15:47.01 | mapsterman | I think no lan is better as long as theres not too much latency |
| 15:47.11 | Mexa|Tee | agreed actually |
| 15:47.24 | mapsterman | makes players feel more connected |
| 15:47.27 | vailreth | some what agreed |
| 15:47.30 | mapsterman | like |
| 15:47.31 | SentryIII | I would somewhat agree with that too |
| 15:47.37 | mapsterman | you can troll huge tournaments lol |
| 15:47.44 | vailreth | but i would still like Lan or other support for inhouse map testing |
| 15:47.46 | Cronos | i dont have issues with no lan becouse internet is everywhere where i live .. its ppl in areas with limited net |
| 15:47.46 | mapsterman | saw that guy who trolled nasl final? |
| 15:47.52 | mapsterman | in front of 50k viewers |
| 15:48.25 | SentryIII | But when you have ISPs here throttling everyone's bandwidth to keep their share prices up, that causes problems |
| 15:48.34 | vailreth | yep |
| 15:48.38 | vailreth | very true |
| 15:48.38 | mapsterman | throttling doesnt affect latency |
| 15:48.40 | Mexa|Tee | I'm taking the bicycle, seeya guys |
| 15:48.42 | mapsterman | just bandwidth |
| 15:48.50 | mapsterman | which inline games dont take muich |
| 15:48.50 | mapsterman | of |
| 15:49.14 | Mexa|Tee | If bandwidth is high enough, I can guarantee you that it will affect the ping along the route |
| 15:49.19 | Mexa|Tee | *throttle |
| 15:49.34 | Mexa|Tee | Even tried to download something while you play |
| 15:49.35 | mapsterman | but gaming bandwidth is insignyficant |
| 15:49.35 | Mexa|Tee | ? |
| 15:49.44 | mapsterman | yea i did |
| 15:49.58 | Mexa|Tee | yesyes, you usually get pretty good on like 256KB/s in many games |
| 15:50.03 | mapsterman | no problem as long as the dowload isnt highere speed than my limit |
| 15:50.04 | SentryIII | Still part of the infrastructure, and there's millions of people using it |
| 15:50.07 | Mexa|Tee | or less, however, the line gets unstable |
| 15:50.15 | Mexa|Tee | Your ping might raise up and down too |
| 15:50.18 | mapsterman | what 250 kbps |
| 15:50.25 | mapsterman | thats a lot |
| 15:50.26 | Cronos | ppl at the phone/cable compains are clueless i think sometimes .. my dad works for ATT and says he gets newsletters about throttling and gamers and stuff ... i keep trying to tell him its the youtubers and downloaders using it .. games try to use as little as possibl |
| 15:50.47 | mapsterman | but dude |
| 15:50.54 | mapsterman | they usually only throttle torrent |
| 15:51.07 | mapsterman | mine only slows down torrents |
| 15:51.10 | mapsterman | in peak hours |
| 15:51.11 | Mexa|Tee | Doesn't LAN work like p2p? |
| 15:51.28 | vailreth | be back in a bit folks |
| 15:51.30 | mapsterman | to 30kbps |
| 15:51.35 | Mexa|Tee | or is the host the cetralized server? |
| 15:51.42 | Mexa|Tee | *centralized |
| 15:51.53 | mapsterman | soo... anyone knows how to convert a section of an entered chat string to integer? |
| 15:51.59 | SentryIII | Some ISPs throttle everything |
| 15:52.01 | Mexa|Tee | Megh, gotta go |
| 15:52.11 | mapsterman | "-minerals 500", how do I get the 500 into a variable |
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| 15:52.38 | Cronos | they want and have a system ready to throttle games also and charge you extra for what you wanna do ... like cable and hbo/cimimax .. you wanna game buy a premium |
| 15:52.40 | SentryIII | mapsterman, use a substring to get the 500 |
| 15:52.52 | Cronos | there just not allowed to do it yet .. its in the courts |
| 15:54.08 | Cronos | well thats american isp's idk about eu or other places |
| 15:54.23 | SentryIII | It's mainly Canada and US |
| 15:54.35 | mapsterman | oh thanks sentryiii |
| 15:54.43 | SentryIII | EU and Asia ISPs actually invested in their infrastructre early on |
| 15:55.28 | SentryIII | Don't know of any EU ISPs that throttle |
| 15:55.40 | SentryIII | err |
| 15:55.47 | Cronos | big companys in the us have the infrastucture to up bandwidth 10fold .. the fcc limits them for "fair compition" becouse the mid sized didnt invest |
| 15:55.49 | SentryIII | Don't know of any EU ISPs :p |
| 15:56.11 | SentryIII | That's news to me |
| 15:56.55 | Cronos | the fcc has been limiting the internet and telecomm sence they broke up att like 20 years ago |
| 15:57.06 | Cronos | well not net that long ago |
| 15:57.18 | Cronos | but ya they are 75% of the problem |
| 15:57.23 | SentryIII | Interesting |
| 15:57.58 | Cronos | its telecomm monopoloy laws |
| 15:59.32 | Cronos | funny thing is att and verision are both bigger now then when they broke att up |
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| 16:03.00 | Fenix | Heyhey everyone :P |
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| 16:07.09 | JademusSreg | I awaken. |
| 16:07.41 | vailreth | oh noes we're doomed |
| 16:08.13 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 16:10.43 | UloseTheGame | phones suk fer irc. |
| 16:10.43 | Fenix | lol |
| 16:10.59 | UloseTheGame | excuse my grammar |
| 16:11.18 | Fenix | anyone would like to try my map? |
| 16:12.21 | UloseTheGame | whats that fen? |
| 16:12.54 | UloseTheGame | also any on us tried cok? |
| 16:12.55 | Fenix | a double 1v1. You control two bases at a time and play vs 2 comps in 1v1, |
| 16:13.06 | Fenix | it is to pratice multitasking |
| 16:13.09 | Fenix | =) |
| 16:15.23 | Fenix | Jade, want to try what you helped for? :P |
| 16:15.53 | UloseTheGame | sorry not my style fen |
| 16:15.59 | Fenix | haha :P |
| 16:16.05 | UloseTheGame | melee ;) |
| 16:16.05 | Fenix | what's your style? |
| 16:16.21 | Fenix | defences? |
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| 16:17.12 | mapsterman | in canada they charge you for bandwidth |
| 16:17.26 | mapsterman | bust your 50GB and pay extras |
| 16:17.31 | mapsterman | as asad as that |
| 16:17.44 | JademusSreg | ??? |
| 16:17.44 | Fenix | yeah so what? |
| 16:17.45 | Fenix | xD |
| 16:17.49 | UloseTheGame | not meleeal |
| 16:18.14 | Fenix | just dont download porn XD |
| 16:18.34 | Fenix | and u wont max out your bandwidth |
| 16:18.44 | UloseTheGame | whoops damn phone |
| 16:19.07 | UloseTheGame | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:19.11 | UloseTheGame | you ll |
| 16:19.14 | Fenix | So, JademusSreg, want to try my map? |
| 16:19.29 | UloseTheGame | you play clash of kings yet? |
| 16:20.24 | Fenix | "shouldn't be long before he notice two persons speaking to him xD" |
| 16:20.34 | UloseTheGame | the lotr community had its first big break since last september |
| 16:21.14 | UloseTheGame | b/c we came out with an actually b |
| 16:21.22 | UloseTheGame | good diplo map |
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| 16:22.00 | UloseTheGame | did you play it fenix |
| 16:22.29 | Fenix | clash of kings? |
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| 16:22.42 | JademusSreg | I've not played it, mostly because NA mapnight collapsed. |
| 16:22.49 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 16:22.49 | UloseTheGame | grss |
| 16:23.01 | UloseTheGame | greetings |
| 16:23.29 | UloseTheGame | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:23.44 | Fenix | what can I add to a double 1v1 map? |
| 16:23.44 | Fenix | xD |
| 16:23.45 | JademusSreg | I'm curious why the EU has a consistent map night, and NA can barely manage a single night. |
| 16:24.14 | Fenix | waht do you mean by map night? |
| 16:25.07 | UloseTheGame | i should bring you to a pub cok |
| 16:25.20 | JademusSreg | It was a weekly event where mappers would take time out of their "busy" shcedules to play maps instead of myopically laboring on their own. |
| 16:25.21 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 16:25.38 | JademusSreg | EU still has it, but people in NA are so goddamn flakey. |
| 16:26.08 | UloseTheGame | but apparantly they prefer myopic laboring yo fun |
| 16:26.15 | Wiz10011 | flakey? FLAKEY! YOU TAKE THAT BACK! |
| 16:26.18 | UloseTheGame | to* |
| 16:26.25 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 16:27.10 | UloseTheGame | umad wiz? cuz u just lost he game |
| 16:27.21 | Wiz10011 | HELLZ YEA I BE MAD! |
| 16:27.26 | UloseTheGame | if |
| 16:27.51 | UloseTheGame | its official. phones suck:) |
| 16:28.11 | Wiz10011 | Tell that to all the teenages that have it glued to their ear. they might disagree with you. |
| 16:28.26 | Fenix | lol |
| 16:28.28 | UloseTheGame | jade. |
| 16:28.44 | JademusSreg | if (umad) {GameOver(PlayerGroupSingle(Wiz),c_endGameDefeat,false,false);} |
| 16:28.49 | Fenix | actually the dont have their tell glued to their ear but their hands. |
| 16:28.50 | UloseTheGame | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:28.52 | Fenix | texting. |
| 16:29.24 | Wiz10011 | Some have it glued to their ears, some have it glued to their hands. I know one girl that's always on the phone talking. |
| 16:29.34 | Fenix | lol |
| 16:29.50 | JademusSreg | Is it your girlfriend? I can see how that would be frustrating. |
| 16:29.51 | Fenix | well, i dont have that problem, I just dont have a cell. |
| 16:29.52 | Fenix | xD |
| 16:29.53 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 16:30.00 | Wiz10011 | Actually yes it is Jade. |
| 16:30.06 | Fenix | haha -_- |
| 16:30.12 | JademusSreg | I win The Internet. |
| 16:30.19 | Wiz10011 | that you do! stalker..... |
| 16:30.23 | Fenix | You might think to do a bad joke to her xD |
| 16:30.47 | Wiz10011 | she cant take a joke, so she will just go nuts if i do. |
| 16:30.56 | Fenix | -_- |
| 16:30.57 | Fenix | wow |
| 16:31.03 | Fenix | nice gf |
| 16:31.04 | Fenix | >.< |
| 16:31.09 | Wiz10011 | i know right! |
| 16:31.29 | Fenix | anyway, not my troubles ;) |
| 16:31.36 | Wiz10011 | yea, lucky you. |
| 16:31.50 | Fenix | my trouble is different xD |
| 16:32.08 | UloseTheGame | your gay? |
| 16:32.08 | Wiz10011 | there's always trouble.. |
| 16:32.15 | JademusSreg | If you read anything by the critical theorists like Adorno or Baudrillard, you'll find recurring themes about the alienating effects of technology. |
| 16:32.22 | Fenix | the girl that possibly be later my gf is living at more than 5000km for my home. xD |
| 16:32.39 | UloseTheGame | and your boyfriend is abusive? |
| 16:33.01 | Wiz10011 | 5000KM.. Well whatever works for you. |
| 16:33.24 | JademusSreg | Hope it can stretch. |
| 16:33.27 | Fenix | xD |
| 16:33.29 | JademusSreg | pew pew |
| 16:33.43 | Fenix | anyway, plane exist. :) |
| 16:34.01 | Fenix | airplane. |
| 16:34.04 | UloseTheGame | i say we go play a nice diplo map |
| 16:34.12 | Fenix | haha xD |
| 16:34.24 | Fenix | how works diplo map? |
| 16:34.25 | SBeier | Anyone who can spot a syntax error in this line? void UIChatFrame_Init2() |
| 16:34.30 | UloseTheGame | called clash of kibgs |
| 16:34.32 | UloseTheGame | kings |
| 16:35.35 | UloseTheGame | people need to play clash of kings |
| 16:35.42 | JademusSreg | Link to a topic or webstie about it, please. I can read it along with my other morning periodicals. |
| 16:36.05 | Fenix | lol |
| 16:36.16 | UloseTheGame | ahem...on a phone |
| 16:36.42 | Fenix | nice piano music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trNolL4i6hw =D |
| 16:36.51 | Fenix | not alot of song can beat that |
| 16:37.22 | JademusSreg | Nice old-timey sounding music. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6lTTsMWGWs |
| 16:37.42 | JademusSreg | Give it a moment, it staerts slowly. |
| 16:37.50 | Fenix | A rose is a rose |
| 16:37.58 | RipperRoo | hi JademusSreg :) |
| 16:38.12 | JademusSreg | Yes, references a poem by Gertrude Stein. |
| 16:38.21 | JademusSreg | Who also happens to be in the narrative of the song. |
| 16:38.23 | Fenix | it is not scream i hope |
| 16:38.24 | Fenix | xD |
| 16:38.25 | JademusSreg | Hi Roo. |
| 16:38.37 | JademusSreg | Naw, this shit is classy. |
| 16:38.47 | Fenix | xD |
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| 16:39.16 | vailreth | well i finished the yard work |
| 16:39.29 | Fenix | well, this aint the kind of music i really like |
| 16:39.30 | Fenix | xD |
| 16:39.44 | Fenix | the voice and the beat is not my style :P |
| 16:39.50 | Fenix | but some instrument are interesting =) |
| 16:39.52 | JademusSreg | Boo hoo. |
| 16:40.07 | JademusSreg | I also know an album by that name, as well. |
| 16:40.13 | JademusSreg | Boo Hoo, by Voltaire. |
| 16:40.34 | vailreth | do you like Voltaire? |
| 16:40.40 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 16:40.45 | vailreth | nice. |
| 16:41.00 | JademusSreg | Meeting him in person is more fun than the albums, I dare say. |
| 16:41.02 | Fenix | listen to this. Taht groups is so epic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BF1B1dlHEow |
| 16:42.05 | Xaragoth | morning |
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| 16:42.19 | Fenix | 99% of that group songs are without voice and most of them are epic. :P |
| 16:42.19 | JademusSreg | Mindless Self Indulgence fills my quota for loud random noise. |
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| 16:42.39 | CryptRat | Is there any way to remove the number from the Warp Gate buttons? |
| 16:42.54 | JademusSreg | Maybe buy editing its UI frame. |
| 16:43.16 | CryptRat | Would it be possible to visually simulate warping in another way? |
| 16:43.27 | Fenix | it is like if you wish to remove the number of the idles workers |
| 16:43.35 | Fenix | what i dont know. |
| 16:43.36 | Fenix | xD |
| 16:43.49 | JademusSreg | Hmmm, entirely? |
| 16:43.54 | CryptRat | Well |
| 16:44.06 | CryptRat | Show the warping in animation for 2 seconds and then have a unit here. |
| 16:44.12 | Fenix | or remove it and make another dialogs that "looks" like that button |
| 16:44.13 | Fenix | without the number |
| 16:44.16 | Fenix | and adding an image? |
| 16:44.24 | CryptRat | Oohhhh |
| 16:44.24 | CryptRat | no |
| 16:44.28 | CryptRat | Command card numbers |
| 16:44.33 | JademusSreg | For example, the placement, the time spent constructing. |
| 16:44.38 | CryptRat | Not the little sidescreen button |
| 16:44.40 | CryptRat | I removed that entirely |
| 16:44.45 | Fenix | ah |
| 16:45.11 | Fenix | what do you mean then for placement and time spent constructing? |
| 16:45.15 | CryptRat | Like I have a single unit that is using the warp gate's ability and I don't want the '1' to show up on the command card. |
| 16:45.17 | vailreth | i think more metal needs violens |
| 16:45.20 | JademusSreg | The things one would need to emulate. |
| 16:46.33 | JademusSreg | It's easy to make a warping animation appear on a unit, if that's all you want. |
| 16:46.53 | JademusSreg | You just change its build model. =D |
| 16:46.55 | CryptRat | Also, is there a simple way to change unit alliance on creation? Would a starting behavior work? |
| 16:46.59 | JademusSreg | Create it under construction. |
| 16:47.03 | Fenix | vailreth, you migh like: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kb8WGig0MLU |
| 16:47.25 | CryptRat | I'm using the actor to change the color, but I don't think the actor can do things like that. |
| 16:47.27 | JademusSreg | Behaviors can change ownership, but it needs a reference. |
| 16:47.36 | CryptRat | reference? |
| 16:47.39 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 16:47.53 | JademusSreg | Who is controlling it? |
| 16:48.05 | CryptRat | It's a single player, known ahead of time. |
| 16:48.06 | JademusSreg | How do you communicate that information in the data? |
| 16:48.12 | CryptRat | Couldn't I just use a number? |
| 16:48.28 | JademusSreg | Yes, but the references are constant, you can't put in a number. |
| 16:48.40 | CryptRat | It's always going to be the same number. |
| 16:48.45 | CryptRat | ever |
| 16:48.59 | JademusSreg | You have somethingl ike Caster, Target, Hostile, Neutral. |
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| 16:49.01 | JademusSreg | See what I mean? |
| 16:49.14 | JademusSreg | No way to reference an arbitrary player. |
| 16:49.40 | CryptRat | I feel like I saw an Alliance Change effect. :/ |
| 16:49.50 | CryptRat | brb |
| 16:50.08 | JademusSreg | Check out Neural Parasite, Nova's Domination, and Mind Control Tower's thing. |
| 16:52.54 | CryptRat | Hm |
| 16:53.05 | CryptRat | I'm thinking then that I should just use triggers. :/ |
| 16:53.11 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 16:53.28 | CryptRat | I wasn't expecting you to say that. xD |
| 16:54.47 | JademusSreg | Some things cannot be done by the data. |
| 16:54.53 | JademusSreg | Arithmetic for example. |
| 16:55.08 | CryptRat | Well then there exists another problem I'm running into. |
| 16:55.10 | JademusSreg | If you have an ability that needs arithmetic, you use triggers. |
| 16:55.14 | Fenix | can you put variable into the data? |
| 16:55.19 | JademusSreg | No Fenix. |
| 16:55.33 | CryptRat | Leaving the warp command button numbers for now, I still don't know how to detect when a unit begins warping in. |
| 16:55.44 | CryptRat | I want to switch its alliance immediately. |
| 16:56.02 | CryptRat | Or if not immediately, make it unorderable while warping in and then immediately after finishing. |
| 16:56.11 | JademusSreg | Try catching the train or unit construction event. |
| 16:56.19 | CryptRat | I tried those |
| 16:56.31 | CryptRat | well |
| 16:56.34 | CryptRat | maybe not the second one |
| 16:56.47 | JademusSreg | That is what it is doing, afterall. |
| 16:56.48 | CryptRat | I think an issue I was running into is that the warping in unit isn't actually a unit |
| 16:57.01 | CryptRat | or it's not the unit type I was searching for |
| 16:57.07 | JademusSreg | It is being constructed, it has a timer bar and everything. |
| 16:58.11 | CryptRat | Oh |
| 16:58.12 | Fenix | there is something i've notice long tiem ago taht i dont know... Have you ever noticed that when warping in something, at the end of the warping there is a very brief delay where the unit is ennemy to you? |
| 16:58.23 | CryptRat | I was looking for an ability being completed event. |
| 16:58.48 | JademusSreg | Never seen that Feni. |
| 17:11.10 | Fenix | Asking again, anyone want to try my map? XD |
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| 17:11.21 | JademusSreg | Busy. =D |
| 17:11.26 | Fenix | haha |
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| 17:21.23 | vailreth | grr why cant i use a variable for this .. |
| 17:22.00 | vailreth | ok what im trying to do is set what dialog item i want clicked and it doesnt show the variable i created to hold the dialog item...\ |
| 17:22.05 | vailreth | i made |
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| 17:23.47 | CryptRat | Is it possible to add a cursor effect to a warp train? |
| 17:27.23 | Fenix | if someone likes french songs, this one is interesting. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AC_a98Yd_9Q :P |
| 17:27.31 | JademusSreg | Maybe. |
| 17:27.56 | JademusSreg | Actors are magical, after all. |
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| 17:34.02 | Fenix | hey Zanryu :D |
| 17:36.45 | SBeier | I have a galaxy script. It tells me I have a Syntax error on line 1061. If I try to move that method one line down, it still says the error is on line 1061.. event if I move the function so far down that line 1061 is before the method.. help? |
| 17:37.16 | JademusSreg | Interesting. |
| 17:37.21 | SBeier | anoying |
| 17:37.22 | JademusSreg | May I see it? |
| 17:37.29 | SBeier | the script? |
| 17:37.36 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 17:37.48 | SBeier | well, okay - its output of galaxy++ though.. so it's completely devoid of comments |
| 17:37.57 | JademusSreg | Makes no difference to me. |
| 17:38.48 | Fenix | i suppose 1061 is the new devil number? |
| 17:38.49 | Fenix | xD |
| 17:38.49 | SBeier | http://www.sc2mapster.com/paste/3672/ |
| 17:39.36 | SBeier | Gotta love the errors coming out of blizzards compiler.. |
| 17:40.37 | JademusSreg | You don't use += to increment? =D |
| 17:41.06 | Fenix | what means the red square on the ! in: if(!runActions) |
| 17:41.16 | JademusSreg | Anyway, I don't see anything thatm ight cause a syntax error. |
| 17:41.17 | CryptRat | Aren't roaming errors usually due to syntax problems? |
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| 17:42.23 | Fenix | and same red square on && in: if(testConds && DataTableGetBool |
| 17:42.28 | SBeier | Well, I find it very wierd that it doesn |
| 17:42.28 | Fenix | is it normal? |
| 17:42.28 | Fenix | xD |
| 17:42.45 | SBeier | that it doesn't matter what is actually written on the line |
| 17:42.58 | CryptRat | Line 1057: Mismatched parens |
| 17:43.19 | CryptRat | wait |
| 17:43.21 | CryptRat | nevermind |
| 17:43.28 | CryptRat | x_x |
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| 17:46.34 | JademusSreg | What is the permisability of numbers in galaxy namespaces? I know they can't be used as the first character. |
| 17:46.48 | JademusSreg | Anything else? |
| 17:47.47 | SBeier | if its anything like java, and you mean identifier names, then it's only that the first char cannot be a number |
| 17:48.22 | JademusSreg | Sure, I was refering to the namespace in general, not that galaxy supports namespaces. =D |
| 17:48.52 | SBeier | but I tried changeing the name to a and compile.. get the same error |
| 17:49.30 | SBeier | I dont think it has anything to do with what is on line 1061.. since I can change that without changeing the line number of the error |
| 17:50.33 | SBeier | if I move Channel_Constructor one line down, the error moves one line down aswell, though |
| 17:51.50 | JademusSreg | It has a return but doesn't return any value. |
| 17:52.05 | SBeier | the return also doesn't return anything |
| 17:52.06 | JademusSreg | Any particular reason? |
| 17:52.27 | SBeier | it was easier for parsing |
| 17:53.03 | SBeier | but removing it doesn't change anything |
| 17:53.22 | JademusSreg | Comment out all the function calls to isolate. |
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| 17:54.02 | CryptRat | Getting on to run some play tests... |
| 17:54.04 | JademusSreg | If it's not something it's doing, then it |
| 17:54.07 | UloseTheGame | JADE |
| 17:54.11 | UloseTheGame | get on SC2 NOW |
| 17:54.21 | JademusSreg | it's something about how the syntax check is handling that particular function. |
| 17:54.23 | UloseTheGame | i want you to come play Clash of Kings |
| 17:54.25 | Clord | I stick with trigger editor inside damn editor with GUI XD |
| 17:54.34 | JademusSreg | Fine. I allocate a moment of my time top that map. =D |
| 17:55.11 | UloseTheGame | :) |
| 17:55.15 | UloseTheGame | okay |
| 17:55.23 | UloseTheGame | when you get on pm me |
| 17:55.28 | JademusSreg | I'm on. |
| 17:55.47 | SBeier | Is there a maximum to the number of characters that there can be in a script file? |
| 17:55.57 | JademusSreg | I doubt it. |
| 17:56.07 | JademusSreg | The native files should demonstrate that. |
| 17:56.39 | SBeier | yeah, you'r probably right - if I select short names, I still get an error in the same line aswell |
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| 17:58.38 | JademusSreg | Did you comment out the function's contents? |
| 17:59.04 | JademusSreg | It' |
| 17:59.30 | JademusSreg | Need to know if it is intramurous or extramurous. =D |
| 18:01.38 | CryptRat | Would anyone on here like to help me test Where's Waldo Deathmatch? |
| 18:05.30 | JademusSreg | =\ |
| 18:05.35 | JademusSreg | What an odd thing. |
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| 18:29.31 | Xaragoth | JademusSreg |
| 18:29.32 | Xaragoth | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/terrain/23900-so-i-was-fishing-me-some-zerg-the-other-day/ |
| 18:29.34 | Xaragoth | more shiny |
| 18:29.53 | Motive | Jademus is a sreg. |
| 18:29.58 | Motive | The most sreg of all the Jademuses. |
| 18:30.06 | Motive | Or perhaps, the Jademi. |
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| 18:30.16 | Xaragoth | we will never know |
| 18:30.21 | Motive | Indeed. |
| 18:36.37 | Ashamed | so bored |
| 18:36.55 | Xaragoth | post a comment :P |
| 18:38.26 | Wiz10011 | ~ashamed |
| 18:38.33 | Wiz10011 | Nothing? |
| 18:41.29 | CryptRat | Interesting: Expected game duration ranges from 3-10 minutes. |
| 18:41.54 | CryptRat | Needs to support multiple rounds. x_X |
| 18:47.04 | Motive | http://www.cortexrp.com/forums/general-discussion/cortex-roleplay-time-limit-t2191.html |
| 18:47.11 | Motive | Interesting, game time limit on Battle.net |
| 18:49.00 | Fenix | Is: http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/terrain/23900-so-i-was-fishing-me-some-zerg-the-other-day/ made in UDK with Sc2 imported models? |
| 18:49.31 | Xaragoth | no |
| 18:49.35 | Xaragoth | just regular old sc2 |
| 18:50.32 | Fenix | Make a map of starcraft through Unreal Developement Kit could be nice, if possible? |
| 18:50.58 | Xaragoth | too much damn work |
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| 18:51.16 | Fenix | what does it represent? |
| 18:51.26 | Fenix | exporting model, importing and using? |
| 18:51.27 | Fenix | no? |
| 18:51.30 | Xaragoth | no |
| 18:51.44 | Xaragoth | for one, sc2 has some weird ass normal maps |
| 18:51.50 | Xaragoth | you'd have to resort the damn bones on the models |
| 18:51.57 | Xaragoth | and ... you'd rather make everything new |
| 18:52.00 | Xaragoth | so it's shiny sc2 |
| 18:52.12 | Xaragoth | because new assets have about the same amount of work for sc2 as they have for udk |
| 18:52.39 | Xaragoth | we thought about doing it |
| 18:52.43 | Xaragoth | but as it is just too much work |
| 18:52.48 | Xaragoth | we didn't do it |
| 18:52.49 | JademusSreg | That was a shitty map. |
| 18:52.52 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 18:52.55 | Fenix | ok lol |
| 18:53.02 | JademusSreg | But then diplomacy maps always are. |
| 18:53.19 | Motive | I miss fail diplomacy maps |
| 18:53.21 | Motive | We need SC2 WW3 maps |
| 18:53.51 | Xaragoth | diplomacy was a fancy word for "burn them alive" right? |
| 18:54.45 | vailreth | i have a learn ability that will not work even though it is set up exactly like one that does work any one have a theory why? |
| 18:54.46 | JademusSreg | It was in Vietnam. |
| 18:57.11 | Fenix | anyone here saw the starcraft mode made with W3 before Starcraft 2 get out? |
| 18:57.19 | Fenix | Like the Project Revolution: http://www.moddb.com/mods/project-revolution |
| 18:57.34 | Fenix | or the W3 mode map: http://www.moddb.com/mods/starcraft-15-3d-conversion-maps/images/stalker-unit-and-new-protoss-console |
| 18:57.45 | JademusSreg | What about it? |
| 18:57.57 | Fenix | anyone played it? |
| 18:58.05 | Xaragoth | I still have Talon's "Project Spearhead" |
| 18:58.07 | Xaragoth | I'm awesome. |
| 18:58.40 | Fenix | Project Revolution was really epic |
| 18:58.53 | Fenix | the starting screen was nice |
| 18:59.53 | Fenix | http://www.moddb.com/mods/project-revolution/images/menu-screen |
| 19:01.11 | Xaragoth | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usCFxwSdwtc - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u48PYP_VGiU - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0BG0dMCdEk |
| 19:01.13 | Xaragoth | old |
| 19:01.15 | Xaragoth | ^.^ |
| 19:01.45 | Fenix | wow |
| 19:01.45 | Fenix | nice |
| 19:03.30 | Xaragoth | that's the old TSOF, the new one is basically what if posted in the thread I made the other day |
| 19:04.19 | Xaragoth | damn it, i can't find spearhead |
| 19:04.19 | Xaragoth | ^^ |
| 19:04.28 | Fenix | haha |
| 19:06.23 | Fenix | I made a map before I have Starcraft 2. It was based on the BattleReport. I remade the map Blistering Sands in sc1 with Xel'Naga tower and the rocks :P Pretty fun |
| 19:06.54 | JademusSreg | No wonder you use outdated terms like HyperTriggering. =D |
| 19:07.05 | Fenix | xD |
| 19:07.07 | JademusSreg | When did you make the transition? |
| 19:07.29 | Fenix | i have not did it. I'm still playing sc1 sometimes |
| 19:07.30 | Fenix | =D |
| 19:07.39 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 19:08.02 | Fenix | there is still many players on sc1 :P |
| 19:08.41 | Fenix | lots of ppl dont like newest version of their favorite game :P |
| 19:08.46 | Fenix | so they stay at playing it. |
| 19:09.17 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 19:09.40 | JademusSreg | Modding SC2 is easy. |
| 19:09.43 | vailreth | any one able to help with an non working learn ability? |
| 19:10.01 | Fenix | If i keep playing sc1 it caus the difference between sc1 and sc2 is big. It works differently and both are fun. |
| 19:10.02 | JademusSreg | People complaining about the editor don't know how easy they have it. |
| 19:10.06 | Fenix | Also caus of the editor |
| 19:10.15 | Fenix | i know almost everything in sc1 but sc2 i suck |
| 19:10.29 | Fenix | :P |
| 19:10.31 | Fenix | so i try using sc1 style when oding sc2 map |
| 19:10.44 | JademusSreg | That's not a good idea. =D |
| 19:10.49 | Fenix | loll |
| 19:11.08 | Fenix | but still, if I had never made map in sc1, I would never even try in sc2 |
| 19:11.36 | Fenix | Caus I know how to do some things in sc1, I have an idea how I could do it in sc2. |
| 19:12.02 | Fenix | Or I can open a post asking how can we translate that trigger (from sc1) to a form in sc2 trigger |
| 19:13.29 | Fenix | I know of course that instead of using mienral and gas for variables in sc1, I will use Integers for sc2 |
| 19:13.30 | Fenix | etc |
| 19:14.20 | Fenix | and instead of using hidden units as a kind of memory to remember something, I will use otehr variables. |
| 19:14.40 | vailreth | what the hell.... everything seems set up correclt |
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| 19:25.25 | harl | hey |
| 19:29.42 | JademusSreg | Hi. |
| 19:46.00 | *** join/#sc2mapster Keyeszx (4c5f80de@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.95.128.222) |
| 19:46.19 | Keyeszx | When using the UDK do you use separate modelling program to make detailed models? |
| 19:47.45 | mapsterman | you mean like blender? |
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| 19:48.35 | JademusSreg | Well, yeah, for some things. |
| 19:49.29 | JademusSreg | Though I do wonder to what extent Hawken used shapes vs models. |
| 19:50.36 | JademusSreg | As I recall, Hawken devs said they saves a lot of time be reusing assets in creative ways. Textures, obviously, but I also wonder if that applies to shapes. |
| 19:50.54 | JademusSreg | Rather, to what extent. |
| 19:51.48 | JademusSreg | (I also remember they reused assets from a lot of other projects that didn't come to fruition.) |
| 19:52.20 | Keyeszx | ya like blender or 3dsmax |
| 19:54.59 | Xaragoth | Keyeszx: 3Ds Max & Maya, mostly |
| 19:55.06 | Xaragoth | Like ... with anything |
| 19:55.31 | Keyeszx | So do I just use UDK to import the models put them in place and then give it life? |
| 19:55.43 | Xaragoth | basically, yes |
| 19:55.47 | Xaragoth | it's an engine like any other |
| 19:55.49 | Xaragoth | make assets |
| 19:55.51 | Xaragoth | place assets |
| 19:55.59 | Xaragoth | fuck up lighting, redo lighting, render lighting again for 5h |
| 19:56.20 | Keyeszx | So I need to learn how to make models in 3Ds Max |
| 19:56.37 | JademusSreg | For me, it seems like an issue of specialization. Those programs are specialized for modeling, which one would expect would increase productivity. You could use shapes and shit in UDK for simple stuff, but if you want any to work on anything of reasonable complexity without sinking stupid amounts of time, you'll use a program specialized for the task. |
| 19:57.05 | Xaragoth | Keyeszx: Not only that, but also how to make highpoly, how to texture, etc |
| 19:57.12 | Xaragoth | Basically, you gotta learn how to be an Artist |
| 19:57.13 | Xaragoth | :P |
| 19:57.25 | JademusSreg | To draw a comparison, you could make a model (format permitting) in a text editor, or you could use a program specialized to the task, which would save gobs of time. |
| 19:57.47 | Keyeszx | Well sounds like a lot of work |
| 19:58.17 | Keyeszx | But the UDK will be the easiest way for me to make an iphone game |
| 19:58.27 | Xaragoth | pretty much, yes |
| 19:58.36 | Keyeszx | I don't even know what other engines there are except this and crytek |
| 19:58.39 | Xaragoth | you could go on a less-high quality route |
| 19:58.43 | Xaragoth | and make something angry birds style |
| 19:58.48 | Xaragoth | that would save you lots of headaches |
| 19:58.51 | Xaragoth | uhm |
| 19:58.54 | Xaragoth | unity for example |
| 19:58.59 | JademusSreg | There's also Unity. |
| 19:59.00 | JademusSreg | Damn. |
| 19:59.02 | JademusSreg | Beat me to it. |
| 19:59.04 | Keyeszx | lol |
| 19:59.18 | Keyeszx | Just been spending the last couple hours watching and reading some tutorials |
| 19:59.33 | Keyeszx | Thing is they mostly are about making shapes and stuff in the UDK |
| 19:59.43 | Keyeszx | so far I learned how to build a house with a door and window |
| 19:59.47 | Keyeszx | :) |
| 19:59.52 | Xaragoth | http://imgur.com/a/VHWJE#Aklkj |
| 19:59.55 | Xaragoth | pain in the ass |
| 19:59.58 | Xaragoth | believe me |
| 20:00.09 | Xaragoth | especially with the gameplay elements of shoving the damn statues and all |
| 20:00.09 | Xaragoth | ;) |
| 20:00.12 | JademusSreg | I remember that one. |
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| 20:00.20 | Stewox | ~seen sbeier |
| 20:00.30 | purl | sbeier <5e65d936@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.101.217.54> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 2h 3m 51s ago, saying: 'yeah, you'r probably right - if I select short names, I still get an error in the same line aswell'. |
| 20:00.30 | Keyeszx | Xaragoth: Did you make that? |
| 20:00.32 | Xaragoth | yes |
| 20:00.52 | Xaragoth | I'm currently involved in a little indie game with udk |
| 20:00.58 | Keyeszx | Is it the lighting that just gives everything a UDK kind of look? |
| 20:01.02 | Xaragoth | if everything works, it'll make a nice buck |
| 20:01.08 | Xaragoth | nah |
| 20:01.12 | Xaragoth | it's also the quality of the assets |
| 20:01.15 | Xaragoth | but lighting is a part of it |
| 20:01.20 | Stewox | anybody knows a program that would periodically take memory dumps of a specific process |
| 20:01.21 | Xaragoth | plants look like damn plastic |
| 20:01.44 | Keyeszx | How big is the idie team? |
| 20:01.55 | Xaragoth | 2? 3? |
| 20:01.57 | Xaragoth | something like that |
| 20:02.03 | Keyeszx | oh so really small |
| 20:02.04 | Xaragoth | currently early work stages |
| 20:02.09 | Xaragoth | like getting down movement and all |
| 20:02.14 | Xaragoth | we'll try to hire artists later on |
| 20:02.27 | Xaragoth | i can probably get a few at my workplace, which i shall not tell you, because you'll bug me all the time |
| 20:02.40 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 20:02.46 | Keyeszx | wait what? |
| 20:03.09 | Keyeszx | tell me where you work? I don't care |
| 20:03.14 | Keyeszx | back to my tuts |
| 20:03.15 | Xaragoth | I shall not |
| 20:03.19 | Xaragoth | People always nom my ears after it |
| 20:03.21 | Xaragoth | For keys and shit |
| 20:03.25 | Xaragoth | which I can't give |
| 20:03.29 | Keyeszx | oh |
| 20:03.37 | Keyeszx | I don't care |
| 20:03.47 | Keyeszx | I don't need keys |
| 20:03.55 | Keyeszx | I am Keyes :P |
| 20:04.13 | Xaragoth | :P |
| 20:06.26 | Keyeszx | Why don't I have a gun when I go play from here? |
| 20:13.08 | Keyeszx | nvm |
| 20:13.30 | JademusSreg | ? |
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| 20:24.16 | Jum-Jum | ah, you work on a gaming company Xaragoth? |
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| 20:34.36 | Xaragoth | maybe. |
| 20:34.38 | Xaragoth | maybe not. |
| 20:34.41 | Xaragoth | you will never know! |
| 20:38.15 | Keyeszx | Xaragoth didn't you use to do modcraft or some stream that was on sundays? |
| 20:50.17 | Keyeszx | olly olly oxen free |
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| 20:51.08 | DarlD | Hello everyone! |
| 20:51.22 | JademusSreg | Hi. |
| 20:51.53 | DarlD | I was wondering if anyone had a little bit of free time to help out a fellow mapper with some physics? |
| 20:52.39 | JademusSreg | Maybe. Not my specialty, though. |
| 20:52.48 | JademusSreg | GUI or galaxy? |
| 20:53.47 | DarlD | I'm currently working on a ping pong map. I'm not too sure how to handle the triggers. I've been following a tutorial about football which is the same principle. But I'm very un-familiar with the data editor and I'm at a loss sometimes. |
| 20:53.56 | DarlD | GUI should do fine |
| 20:54.27 | JademusSreg | I mean to ask which of the two do you use. |
| 20:54.40 | DarlD | Gui |
| 20:54.45 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 20:55.02 | JademusSreg | Primitive physics can be done in data. |
| 20:55.14 | DarlD | I'm pretty much a new mapper still. I had some experience with the wc3 editor and the starcraft 1 editor |
| 20:55.24 | DarlD | which helped me a lot. |
| 20:55.37 | JademusSreg | But it can't so much as handle arithmetic, much less vectors and shit. So that leaves trigger it. =D |
| 20:56.06 | DarlD | Yeah I'm trying to understand that atm. Vectors and arithmetics. |
| 20:56.07 | JademusSreg | Yeah, I was known as Owenalacaster at wc3c. |
| 20:56.43 | JademusSreg | How far along are you? Planning? |
| 20:56.50 | DarlD | Pretty far I believe. |
| 20:57.09 | DarlD | I got some basic left (Up) right (Down) movement |
| 20:57.09 | flyingspatula | i suck at even primitive physics... :( |
| 20:57.15 | JademusSreg | What have you done so far? |
| 20:57.24 | JademusSreg | With regards to the physics. |
| 20:57.32 | DarlD | The style and the design of the map is about 75% done |
| 20:57.40 | DarlD | I'm at the physics and game mechanics part |
| 20:57.43 | flyingspatula | cant even correctly imitate space shit movement for a top down space shooter |
| 20:57.56 | flyingspatula | ship* |
| 20:58.32 | JademusSreg | In lieu of an indexing system, you can use the unit custom values to track physical properties. |
| 20:58.35 | DarlD | As regard to the physics. I'm attempting to create a throwball ability like in the tutorial for the football but the tutorial is missing detailed instructions at times. |
| 20:58.47 | flyingspatula | i try toh my god that tutorial is MASSIVE |
| 20:58.54 | DarlD | unit custom values. In data editor or trigger editor? |
| 20:58.58 | DarlD | Yes its masive |
| 20:59.00 | JademusSreg | Trigger. |
| 20:59.27 | DarlD | Almost at step two but I can't seam to duplicate the mule ability correctly. |
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| 20:59.43 | JademusSreg | In wc3, units had one custom value. In sc2, units have 64 custom values. |
| 20:59.45 | DarlD | It always stays named Orbitalcommand - (ThrowBall) |
| 21:00.04 | DarlD | And the mule unit won't go away. |
| 21:00.20 | DarlD | Would you like to take a look at what I've done so far? |
| 21:00.51 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
| 21:01.04 | JademusSreg | Soundsl ike you don't have the basics of the editor figuredo ut yet, comrade. |
| 21:01.10 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 21:01.33 | JademusSreg | Name in the editor or uin game? |
| 21:01.36 | DarlD | Well making this map was the point of it... |
| 21:01.44 | DarlD | Learning. |
| 21:03.00 | JademusSreg | The name of the ability in the command card is determined by the button, iirc. The ability name in the editor is irrelevant to gameplay. =D |
| 21:03.22 | JademusSreg | I don't have the editor open atm. |
| 21:03.25 | Xaragoth | Keyeszx: yes |
| 21:03.42 | JademusSreg | To change names and ids, simply double click on the entry in the list window. |
| 21:03.58 | JademusSreg | Don't change ids, of course, as that would likely break shit. |
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| 21:04.57 | JademusSreg | Why would you duplicate the calldown mule ability though? |
| 21:06.39 | flyingspatula | breakin shit is fun |
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| 21:09.22 | flyingspatula | SOTI whatever map appears twice in page 1 popular. taking up 2 front page slots |
| 21:09.35 | Nash|327 | ~seen hawker |
| 21:09.44 | purl | hawker <63e9c492@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.233.196.146> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 2d 14h 7m 23s ago, saying: 'i'm going to continuin terrairing'. |
| 21:09.57 | flyingspatula | ew other maps have multiple listings on front page too |
| 21:10.00 | flyingspatula | all fucked up |
| 21:10.02 | flyingspatula | few* |
| 21:10.47 | DarlD | Its what they say to do. With out really explaining it. I'm guessing the ability is used to start the hole process. |
| 21:10.50 | DarlD | br |
| 21:10.52 | DarlD | brb |
| 21:11.30 | Zarakk | If I want to change an effect so it lasts 5 seconds instead of "until destroyed" what would I have to do? |
| 21:11.42 | Zarakk | Terrainer so data isn't really my forte :p |
| 21:12.49 | JademusSreg | Explain. |
| 21:13.16 | Ashamed | What r u talkin about. news to me but whatever just another storey of urs now please stop talkin about me and focus on urself. does make me feel good u thoughT about me today and took the time to make me laugh. <--- the way people talk in america :) |
| 21:13.43 | JademusSreg | What the hell is that, Ash? =D |
| 21:16.18 | Wiz10011 | Ashamed, No way in hell is that the way I talk, |
| 21:16.54 | Wiz10011 | But thank you for taking the time to try and relate to how we americans speak. |
| 21:17.05 | Ashamed | ... i am american |
| 21:17.06 | Ashamed | ty wiz |
| 21:17.10 | Wiz10011 | LIES! |
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| 21:17.19 | Ashamed | that was on my wifes facebook page |
| 21:17.27 | Ashamed | .... these girls fighten |
| 21:17.31 | Ashamed | makes me laugh |
| 21:17.41 | Wiz10011 | Oh i see.. |
| 21:17.48 | Wiz10011 | I stand by what I say! |
| 21:18.22 | Ashamed | I mean I am not one to care about grammer too much. But some people are just simply stupid. |
| 21:18.42 | Wiz10011 | Agreed. |
| 21:19.20 | Wiz10011 | But what can you do? Mocking them to try and encourage them to improve it wont help, Helping them doesn't help. We're doomed. |
| 21:19.32 | slightlyrandom | Lead by example |
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| 21:19.54 | Wiz10011 | there's one problem with that. |
| 21:20.04 | slightlyrandom | Also, accept that language changes over time |
| 21:20.15 | slightlyrandom | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7E-aoXLZGY |
| 21:20.30 | Wiz10011 | people by me dont care about following someone example. |
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| 21:20.40 | slightlyrandom | Maybe not openly |
| 21:20.51 | slightlyrandom | But you can still influence them, even if they don't know they're being influenced |
| 21:21.12 | Wiz10011 | That video had to many big words! |
| 21:21.23 | slightlyrandom | Well, you gotta love language to enjoy it, I suppose |
| 21:21.32 | slightlyrandom | Stephen Fry is always a treat, though |
| 21:22.33 | JademusSreg | Ash, do you mean to say your wife speaks that way, or her friends? |
| 21:22.56 | JademusSreg | Also, *grammar |
| 21:28.25 | Ashamed | her friends |
| 21:29.26 | JademusSreg | bbl |
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| 21:34.58 | Xaragoth | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6Q0dfrbr10 |
| 21:35.00 | Xaragoth | the ending |
| 21:35.01 | Xaragoth | is awesome |
| 21:36.12 | Stewox | ~sbeier |
| 21:36.17 | Stewox | ~ seen sbeier |
| 21:36.22 | purl | sbeier <5e65d936@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.101.217.54> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 3h 39m 43s ago, saying: 'yeah, you'r probably right - if I select short names, I still get an error in the same line aswell'. |
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| 22:02.13 | thekill | sup |
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| 22:06.21 | flyingspatula | hey vail was it u who was doing that diablo camera thing way back? |
| 22:06.30 | vailreth | no |
| 22:06.35 | flyingspatula | ok |
| 22:07.27 | vailreth | but i am wondering who i helped with the marauder turned firebats and the thor that could absorb marines and launch them via drop pod all over the map |
| 22:07.44 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 22:10.46 | Mexa | http://www.raywj.com/2011/07/22/manatee-tries-a-great-escape/ |
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| 22:19.27 | Statharas | yawn |
| 22:19.36 | Keyeszx | Xaragoth: How long have you been working on your project? |
| 22:19.52 | Statharas | I need a skinner for my project... BADLY |
| 22:19.55 | Xaragoth | hm? |
| 22:20.10 | Keyeszx | The pictures you linked. How long have you been working on it? |
| 22:20.30 | Xaragoth | uhm |
| 22:20.34 | Xaragoth | zerg hive 20m |
| 22:20.35 | Xaragoth | roughly |
| 22:20.46 | Xaragoth | installation roughly 1h with doing other things |
| 22:22.04 | Keyeszx | I mean this stuff http://imgur.com/a/VHWJE#Aklkj |
| 22:22.16 | Xaragoth | oh the udk |
| 22:22.19 | Xaragoth | a few months |
| 22:22.33 | Keyeszx | Oh ok |
| 22:22.55 | Keyeszx | I love having an ipad |
| 22:23.06 | flyingspatula | if that screnshots was sc2 id shit my pants |
| 22:23.06 | Keyeszx | I can work in the UDK on my PC while watching a tut or reading without changing windows |
| 22:23.29 | Keyeszx | According Xaragoth the plants look like plastic |
| 22:23.42 | Keyeszx | Look pretty damn good imo |
| 22:24.05 | flyingspatula | they do look like plastic |
| 22:24.08 | flyingspatula | but so does about every game |
| 22:24.11 | Hati-Laptop | ~seen Helral |
| 22:24.17 | purl | helral is currently on #sc2mapster. Has said a total of 4 messages. Is idling for 14h 21m 48s, last said: 'Tempest4: from the editor, no idea. I usually browse the MPQ files for the images if I need them.'. |
| 22:24.30 | Keyeszx | Well I'm the kind of guy who can't tell the difference between fake and real plants without smelling them |
| 22:24.50 | Xaragoth | flyingspatula: CryEngine 3 does Plants really good |
| 22:25.05 | Xaragoth | UDK is more indoor stuff, really |
| 22:25.17 | Hati-Laptop | CryEngine 4 is already in development anyway |
| 22:25.18 | Hati-Laptop | :o |
| 22:25.21 | flyingspatula | i dunno cryengine 2 was inferior to first one wasnt it? theres a 3rd? |
| 22:25.29 | Keyeszx | aren't the next engine always in development? |
| 22:25.35 | Keyeszx | Crysis looked amazing |
| 22:25.39 | Hati-Laptop | flyingspatula: CryEngine 2 is Crysis 1 |
| 22:25.41 | Hati-Laptop | used in* |
| 22:25.44 | flyingspatula | oh |
| 22:25.52 | Keyeszx | I don't think Crysis 2 lived up to Crysis 1 |
| 22:25.52 | Hati-Laptop | 3 in 2 |
| 22:26.12 | Keyeszx | From what I've seen it looked too confined and the city looked like a city |
| 22:26.14 | flyingspatula | well whatever crysis 2 uses is way ifnerior to crysis 1 |
| 22:26.50 | Keyeszx | CryEngine was used for Crysis 1 |
| 22:26.55 | Hati-Laptop | Crysis 1 had way more physics in it |
| 22:26.57 | Keyeszx | CryEngine 2 was for Crysis 2 wasn't it? |
| 22:27.19 | Hati-Laptop | no |
| 22:27.19 | flyingspatula | i dunno but one of the engines was optimized for consoles |
| 22:27.21 | Hati-Laptop | 2 in 1 |
| 22:27.22 | flyingspatula | so its a piece of shit for pc |
| 22:27.49 | Keyeszx | Hati-Laptop: Are you sure? |
| 22:27.56 | Hati-Laptop | yes |
| 22:28.01 | Xaragoth | CryEngine 3 was made for consoles |
| 22:28.08 | Xaragoth | the DX11 patch made it superior to C1 though |
| 22:28.27 | Hati-Laptop | Keyeszx: CryEngine 1 = FarCry |
| 22:28.30 | flyingspatula | ok then the 3rd engine yeah its a pos |
| 22:28.35 | Keyeszx | oh ya |
| 22:28.39 | Keyeszx | Crysis 2 used CryEngine 3 |
| 22:28.46 | Xaragoth | yup |
| 22:28.56 | Xaragoth | but crysis 2 is still only another engine demo |
| 22:29.01 | flyingspatula | i hate how developers are turning awesome pc franchised games into shitty consoles |
| 22:29.09 | flyingspatula | and simplifying the game to run on 5 year old expired hardware |
| 22:29.12 | Keyeszx | Flyingspatula: FarCry was made in CryEngine 1 |
| 22:29.17 | Xaragoth | Battlefield 3 ... Frostbite 2.0 Engine ... Do want :O |
| 22:29.18 | Keyeszx | Which was also on consoles |
| 22:29.28 | Hati-Laptop | Console hardware is mostly already 10 years outdated |
| 22:29.33 | Xaragoth | Skyrim on PC looks awesome o/ |
| 22:29.33 | flyingspatula | yeah |
| 22:29.36 | flyingspatula | i was being generous lol |
| 22:29.48 | Keyeszx | Skyrim is just shaping up to what Oblivion should have been |
| 22:29.53 | flyingspatula | yeah too bad skyrim pc is being dumbed down so bad so it runs on consoles |
| 22:29.54 | Hati-Laptop | only pro in it is - that there is a need to program performant - and thus new techniques are explored |
| 22:29.58 | Hati-Laptop | which makes things kinda nasty |
| 22:29.59 | flyingspatula | like combining legs and chest armor is because it wont run smooth on console otherwise |
| 22:30.12 | Hati-Laptop | but downside is none of the current consoles support dx11 |
| 22:30.18 | Keyeszx | flyingspatula: All of TES games have been on consoles |
| 22:30.27 | Hati-Laptop | so most games still are dx9 titles |
| 22:30.31 | flyingspatula | ya but bethesda is mainly PC |
| 22:30.34 | flyingspatula | and still claims to be |
| 22:30.59 | flyingspatula | but they keep taking out shit in their games so it runs on console and then pc users r liek WTF did i buy this expensiv eass computer to run a shit console quality game |
| 22:30.59 | Keyeszx | Only thing mainly PC about them is the fact mods are on PC versions of their games |
| 22:31.06 | flyingspatula | boosting graphics dont mean shit if its missing half its mechanics |
| 22:31.17 | Keyeszx | I understand |
| 22:31.41 | Keyeszx | I hate on Bethesda simply for dumbing down Oblivion, Fallout 3, and most of their games |
| 22:31.45 | Keyeszx | for consoles |
| 22:31.50 | flyingspatula | thats every developer these days |
| 22:31.52 | flyingspatula | it makes me sad |
| 22:32.08 | Keyeszx | Also they leave so many bugs in their games now a days |
| 22:32.14 | flyingspatula | i didnt build a xpensive pc to play console games i want pc games |
| 22:32.21 | Keyeszx | Leaving consoles out in the rain and PC to wait for modders |
| 22:32.29 | Hati-Laptop | but well ; the only thing i hate is about exclusive console games |
| 22:33.03 | Hati-Laptop | like Shadow of the Colossus, Demon's Souls, Dragon's Dogma (upcoming), Dark Souls (upcoming) just make me sad :( |
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| 22:33.35 | flyingspatula | i have a ps3 but i hate all first person shooters or rpgs on it |
| 22:33.44 | flyingspatula | rpg with a controller just pisses me off |
| 22:34.05 | Deaod | fps with a controller ... |
| 22:34.11 | Xaragoth | flyingspatula: Skyrim has upgraded shit on PC ;) |
| 22:34.13 | flyingspatula | i jus suck at fps with controller |
| 22:34.43 | flyingspatula | yeah xara like graphics, but the game mechanics are still shit on so it runs on sconsole... like merging item pieces so it runs better on console |
| 22:34.51 | flyingspatula | todd even admitted it in an interview |
| 22:35.02 | Deaod | so do i, but ill guarantee you that ill wipe the floor with you when im using mouse/keyboard and you a controller |
| 22:35.06 | flyingspatula | they had to merge item slots so they could have enough ncps on screen on console |
| 22:35.33 | Hati-Laptop | flyingspatula: rpgs are well ok |
| 22:35.38 | Hati-Laptop | depends on the rpg style |
| 22:35.45 | flyingspatula | yeah i guess |
| 22:35.51 | Hati-Laptop | top down rpgs just suck |
| 22:35.58 | Hati-Laptop | but 3rd persons are fine |
| 22:36.06 | flyingspatula | ive never really found too many rpgs on consoles with decent inventories and interface stuff |
| 22:36.43 | Xaragoth | consoles are actually easier for devs |
| 22:36.53 | Xaragoth | because you don't have to make 5 million hardware combo tests |
| 22:37.19 | Hati-Laptop | that's the main point |
| 22:37.19 | Hati-Laptop | :x |
| 22:37.28 | Hati-Laptop | so - scrap mac and linux *cough* |
| 22:37.37 | Xaragoth | well |
| 22:37.43 | Xaragoth | give 'em a bit |
| 22:37.57 | Xaragoth | and hopefully the new console generation is up to make crysis 2 max details a breeze |
| 22:38.04 | Xaragoth | so we can haz graphics on pc too |
| 22:38.12 | Hati-Laptop | we will see how well things go on till PS4 |
| 22:38.16 | Hati-Laptop | and a year after that |
| 22:38.18 | Xaragoth | i just hope someone is clever enough to allow keyboard/mouse as well as controllers on the consoles already |
| 22:38.31 | Hati-Laptop | Wii U did their first fault by not updating to Dx11 |
| 22:38.33 | flyingspatula | i just hate when the dumb the pc version down bc they have to remove some important game mechanic to run good on console |
| 22:39.07 | Deaod | xara, theres no plans for that, im sure |
| 22:39.22 | Xaragoth | me too, me too |
| 22:39.25 | Xaragoth | you can hope though |
| 22:39.28 | Deaod | yeah |
| 22:39.31 | Xaragoth | it'd make a lot of games more accessible |
| 22:39.33 | Hati-Laptop | PC sales go down for a reason - people noticing premade systems suck ... you can get a better system just purchasing pieces of hardware ; would this be able to do on consoles everything would be fine |
| 22:39.36 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 22:39.49 | Hati-Laptop | but then again ; dev time would increase due to diversity in consoles |
| 22:39.52 | soopadoug | theres not a big difference in dx10 and dx11 |
| 22:39.58 | Hati-Laptop | soopadoug: there is |
| 22:40.13 | soopadoug | only tessellation but itll cost a lot more just for that |
| 22:40.16 | Hati-Laptop | there is no real difference in dx10.1 and dx11 ; thats true |
| 22:40.24 | Hati-Laptop | but dx10 is way down-ward dx10.1 |
| 22:40.28 | soopadoug | and not a big graphical improvement |
| 22:40.51 | thekill | yo |
| 22:41.07 | thekill | my guy doesnt get xp and leveld anymore |
| 22:41.13 | thekill | he use to but not anymore |
| 22:41.25 | thekill | is it cuz of the new patch or something? |
| 22:41.28 | Hati-Laptop | not everything is about graphic improvements ; Dx11 allows Compute Shaders a huge plus for applications |
| 22:41.53 | soopadoug | no one cares about that |
| 22:42.09 | JademusSreg | First example I found of the differences: http://www.overclock.net/amd-ati/597046-dx11-vs-dx10-vs-dx-9-a.html |
| 22:42.50 | soopadoug | i dont know if i want a wii u either |
| 22:43.14 | soopadoug | but its for ppl who liked ds |
| 22:43.34 | flyingspatula | hopefully bf3 and skyrimwill hold off my pc gaming urge for a good 6 months |
| 22:43.41 | Hati-Laptop | soopadoug: compute shaders allow you to do proper calculations on gpu - that's a huge deal |
| 22:44.31 | soopadoug | ps4 and the next xbox might do it |
| 22:45.12 | flyingspatula | nother few years b4 that id guess |
| 22:48.38 | vailreth | waiting for the NexTbox from microsoft hm? |
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| 22:49.55 | Hati-Laptop | vailreth: xbox720 please |
| 22:50.07 | soopadoug | sc2 doesnt even have dx11 |
| 22:50.26 | JademusSreg | There is some debate aobut that, actually. |
| 22:50.28 | Hati-Laptop | sc2 is using an engine developed 5years ago |
| 22:50.55 | Hati-Laptop | wow just got it's engine updated to work with dx11 |
| 22:51.01 | JademusSreg | Some people point to Ambient Occlusion as evidence of DX11 support, iirc. |
| 22:51.38 | JademusSreg | Or was that 10? |
| 22:51.44 | JademusSreg | Shit, my memory sucks. |
| 22:52.25 | JademusSreg | WoW still looks like poop except for the water. =D |
| 22:52.59 | vailreth | you can only polish a poo so much |
| 22:56.26 | vailreth | any way now that chat is dead i am free to take over the world ..>.> |
| 22:56.58 | azk | ruh roh |
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| 22:58.21 | Hati-Laptop | stabs vailreth |
| 22:58.32 | vailreth | where? |
| 22:58.38 | flyingspatula | the tits |
| 22:58.40 | Deaod | back |
| 22:58.42 | Hati-Laptop | somewhere vital |
| 22:58.57 | Hati-Laptop | or all vital spots at once |
| 22:59.07 | vailreth | define Vital? important for living or for life |
| 22:59.37 | Hati-Laptop | schroeddinger's cat - you don't know what vital spot i stabbed you until it does not work correctly anymore or you open yourself - hahahar |
| 23:00.06 | Frostwind | hi................................ |
| 23:00.07 | Deaod | stab him until he doesnt move anymore. |
| 23:00.10 | azk | what about the cyanide? |
| 23:00.13 | vailreth | Shroedingers StabWound eh? |
| 23:00.26 | Deaod | then you know youve hit a vital spot in the past |
| 23:00.33 | Hati-Laptop | it's an internal stabwound ofcourse otherwise he could use a mirror |
| 23:00.45 | azk | quantum stabwound |
| 23:00.54 | azk | developed by the military |
| 23:02.01 | JademusSreg | The problem with that thought experiment is that the scale of the cat and measurement device and poison release system would be sufficient to decohere; the cat would not be in a superposition of states. |
| 23:02.34 | Frostwind | anyone as bored as me? |
| 23:02.37 | vailreth | no |
| 23:02.39 | Frostwind | I highly doubt it |
| 23:03.00 | Mexa | Jademüsli! |
| 23:03.04 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 23:03.24 | JademusSreg | Mexarificalianisticorianaria. |
| 23:04.53 | soopadoug | no one has a clue what wiiu does or doesnt support |
| 23:05.19 | Deaod | well, nintendo didnt say much about the actual console, afaik |
| 23:05.55 | vailreth | i know two things the WiiU does not support, comon sense and hardcore gamers <,,< |
| 23:06.00 | soopadoug | wasnt 360 dx8 but with some features from 9 in it? |
| 23:06.17 | JademusSreg | "Hardcore" is an amusing qualifier. |
| 23:06.35 | Hati-Laptop | soopadoug: 360 is dx9.5 |
| 23:06.40 | vailreth | id hope i chose it for comedic effect. |
| 23:06.44 | Hati-Laptop | which is a specialized console mix from microsoft |
| 23:07.18 | soopadoug | wiiu also is dvd 9 only |
| 23:07.20 | soopadoug | no bluray |
| 23:07.51 | soopadoug | wiiu is also gonna suck donkey balls |
| 23:09.09 | Hati-Laptop | well depending on the price it could be a cheap kitchen tablet |
| 23:09.22 | vailreth | only because developers wont know how to best unatlize the dumbed down cintique that is their controller |
| 23:09.41 | Hati-Laptop | Frisbee |
| 23:10.35 | vailreth | personally i dont think nintendumb of america knows what the hell they are doing |
| 23:11.53 | Currydevil-away | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:13.48 | vailreth | i dont curry but then i dont need one either..>..> |
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| 23:14.46 | Currydevil | well, i mean... |
| 23:14.59 | Currydevil | I got gimp the other day, and i would like to see a basic run through |
| 23:15.04 | Currydevil | so I don't mess anything up |
| 23:15.08 | vailreth | ah |
| 23:15.17 | vailreth | i think there are a couple of good ones out there |
| 23:15.27 | Currydevil | as to exporting/importing and if there's anything i need to know before applying color to some of the non colored icons |
| 23:16.04 | vailreth | for exporting i use an mpq editor to get the original dds files |
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| 23:16.46 | Currydevil | ah |
| 23:16.50 | Currydevil | I don't have one of those. |
| 23:17.36 | vailreth | http://www.zezula.net/en/mpq/download.html |
| 23:19.39 | Currydevil | ah which one? |
| 23:20.16 | vailreth | do you have a 64 or 32 bit os? |
| 23:21.30 | Hati-Laptop | don't ask - just get 32bit |
| 23:22.18 | Frostwind | moo |
| 23:22.27 | Mexa | 32bit will work either way |
| 23:22.41 | Mexa | unless you have win98 or below or some other crazy shit. |
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| 23:23.32 | Currydevil | lol ok, i think it's 32 anyways. |
| 23:23.45 | Currydevil | need the listfiles? |
| 23:24.06 | vailreth | i believe i went with out them |
| 23:24.37 | Currydevil | ok |
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| 23:31.40 | Currydevil | alright! never used an mpq editor before! here i go |
| 23:32.45 | Frostwind | anyone as bored as me? I highly doubt it. |
| 23:33.07 | Agouti | it's easy |
| 23:33.19 | Currydevil | where are the sc2 mpqs at? what file |
| 23:33.21 | Agouti | just be aware if it's the common one |
| 23:33.27 | Currydevil | oh? |
| 23:33.35 | Agouti | it won't preserve directory structure when drag and dropping |
| 23:33.45 | phoenix7700 | it's just like usig a zip huh? |
| 23:33.49 | Agouti | the defaults are in starcraft 2\mods iirc |
| 23:34.02 | Agouti | kind of, phoenix |
| 23:34.09 | Agouti | except it's a little less polished |
| 23:34.14 | Agouti | and you don't have to "save" it |
| 23:34.19 | Agouti | changes are made as you do them |
| 23:34.38 | Currydevil | hmmm |
| 23:34.46 | Currydevil | now, I don't know which file lol |
| 23:34.54 | Currydevil | told ya i've never used one before haha |
| 23:36.11 | Currydevil | ok, so mods has Core, Liberty, and Multi\ |
| 23:36.28 | Currydevil | core has 2 mpq files, backup and base |
| 23:36.34 | Currydevil | libery has none |
| 23:38.01 | Frostwind | moo |
| 23:39.00 | Statharas | liberty has an assets MPQ. |
| 23:41.00 | Currydevil | base.assets? |
| 23:41.16 | Currydevil | i don't know what the files are |
| 23:41.47 | Frostwind | lol Currydevil. I know but I won't help you |
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| 23:47.16 | Statharas | *facepalm* |
| 23:47.24 | Mexa | base.sc2assets in the liberty mod do have most of the assets indeed |
| 23:47.37 | Mexa | keep in mind some of them might be obsolete, due to patching |
| 23:50.41 | Currydevil | i told yqa i was new to it stath |
| 23:51.19 | vailreth | Frost why do you even come here? |
| 23:51.33 | Currydevil | Love how i search for an "exporting" tut and all i get are importing tuts. |
| 23:52.34 | Frostwind | vailreth: cuz I still need help with my problem |
| 23:53.23 | vailreth | what help do you offer others? |
| 23:54.35 | Wiz10011 | in all fairness vailreth, he helped some guy either yesterday or the day before. |
| 23:54.48 | Wiz10011 | but he's still annoying and still doesn't ask for help directly. |
| 23:55.16 | Currydevil | lol |
| 23:56.07 | Currydevil | can I use any old folder to extract my assets to? |
| 23:56.35 | vailreth | i like to extract mine to the desktop but im sure you could extract to any folder you like |
| 23:56.53 | Currydevil | oh ok, yeah i made a new folder on the desktop |
| 23:56.56 | Currydevil | so i will go there |
| 23:58.17 | Currydevil | hmmm |
| 23:58.25 | Frostwind | why would I help someone when no one will even help me |
| 23:58.46 | Currydevil | is there something else I need to do before/while extracting? |
| 23:58.55 | Currydevil | Gimp doesn't recognize .m3 obv |
| 23:59.07 | vailreth | m3s are the models |
| 23:59.12 | vailreth | you want the dds files |
| 23:59.20 | Currydevil | oh yeah lol. |
| 23:59.54 | Currydevil | think i got the wrong assets file then. time to go exploring |
