| 00:00.04 | slightlyrandom | Take your formula, but have it be average*count + current / 2 |
| 00:00.16 | slightlyrandom | where count is increased by 1 each time you do the thing |
| 00:00.29 | Fenix | if i add a interger that every sec it add +1. and instead of dividing by 2 it divide by that integer... |
| 00:00.33 | slightlyrandom | Eh |
| 00:00.40 | slightlyrandom | average*count + current / count+1 |
| 00:00.55 | slightlyrandom | = average |
| 00:01.20 | slightlyrandom | and then each time you perform that, you do count=count+1 |
| 00:01.34 | Fenix | count = and int that cound everytimes that trigger execute? |
| 00:01.39 | slightlyrandom | Yes |
| 00:01.54 | slightlyrandom | And it's easily resetable, too |
| 00:03.30 | Fenix | i have a problem with that formula... what about... if I have a 200 apm in average and this is the like the 2500 gametime sec, this is starting to be big number.... soon the integer might be going wrong. |
| 00:04.11 | Fenix | i dont remember what that biggest integer possible |
| 00:04.23 | Fenix | but i know it is before milions |
| 00:04.52 | JademusSreg | 2^32-1 |
| 00:04.59 | Bounty | trawlawlawlawlawlawlawl |
| 00:07.33 | Fenix | and what was 2^32-1... xD |
| 00:07.47 | JademusSreg | 32 bit integer. |
| 00:09.00 | SBeier | Are you sure it's unsigned? |
| 00:09.28 | slightlyrandom | Fenix: The one you're incrementing every second, that wont be a problem |
| 00:09.51 | Fenix | until game last few hours? |
| 00:10.06 | Fenix | xD |
| 00:10.08 | Fenix | and you have huge apm? |
| 00:10.08 | phoenix7700 | hey fenis |
| 00:10.13 | phoenix7700 | fenix |
| 00:10.14 | slightlyrandom | 2^32-1 = 4294967295 |
| 00:10.15 | Fenix | fenix please |
| 00:10.15 | Fenix | xD |
| 00:10.28 | JademusSreg | Order of operations. |
| 00:10.29 | phoenix7700 | you can still get a pretty accurate count |
| 00:10.35 | JademusSreg | You're Doing It Wrong. |
| 00:10.39 | phoenix7700 | if you just only count up to like 10,000 |
| 00:10.48 | SBeier | usually, integers are signed.. which makes it max value of 2147483647 |
| 00:10.50 | phoenix7700 | or not even that much |
| 00:10.51 | slightlyrandom | What the hell are you talking about? |
| 00:11.08 | Fenix | anyways. Yup it might be fine xD |
| 00:11.10 | slightlyrandom | If you do it once per second, that's like 50,000 days |
| 00:11.14 | JademusSreg | I mean, of course it's signed. |
| 00:11.18 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 00:11.46 | slightlyrandom | until you hit the limit |
| 00:11.48 | phoenix7700 | but yeah you should be fine to do it once per second |
| 00:11.50 | slightlyrandom | >_< |
| 00:12.07 | phoenix7700 | the only thing i see thats a problem with that is when you get to higher numbers |
| 00:12.16 | Fenix | that depends slightlyrandom :P Depends if you got that Korean 250 000 apm :P |
| 00:12.18 | phoenix7700 | you are gonna have to do like 10,000 additions |
| 00:12.24 | phoenix7700 | unless you have the sum |
| 00:12.30 | phoenix7700 | and just add the next one |
| 00:13.00 | slightlyrandom | There are two ways to do it, and the last one I suggest just keeps a running average and weighs it |
| 00:13.07 | slightlyrandom | So the number won't ever go above 300ish |
| 00:13.17 | phoenix7700 | yea |
| 00:13.22 | phoenix7700 | thats how i'd do it |
| 00:13.36 | phoenix7700 | usees less processing that way too |
| 00:13.57 | slightlyrandom | These operations, they take literally no time at all |
| 00:14.12 | phoenix7700 | yes addition is very quick |
| 00:14.21 | phoenix7700 | but 10,000 additions isn't |
| 00:14.29 | slightlyrandom | Yes it is |
| 00:14.45 | phoenix7700 | no, it's like 1 sec |
| 00:14.51 | phoenix7700 | which is long |
| 00:15.04 | phoenix7700 | or 1/2 a sec even |
| 00:15.07 | phoenix7700 | still long |
| 00:15.31 | Fenix | just ask computer to do a fucking huge operation like 99999999^999999999999^9999999999 xD |
| 00:15.42 | phoenix7700 | it wont work |
| 00:15.46 | Fenix | lol |
| 00:15.50 | phoenix7700 | int limit is reached |
| 00:16.03 | Fenix | it will work :P just you wont get the good answer |
| 00:16.03 | phoenix7700 | it'll just give you the wrong answer |
| 00:16.12 | phoenix7700 | yea |
| 00:16.25 | phoenix7700 | you'll get a truncated answer |
| 00:16.25 | Fenix | i had that problem in one of my map :P |
| 00:16.32 | Fenix | where the unit size get in negatif |
| 00:16.44 | Fenix | caus it was x2 every time i press a button |
| 00:16.46 | Fenix | :P |
| 00:17.01 | phoenix7700 | lol |
| 00:17.04 | phoenix7700 | yeah |
| 00:17.05 | slightlyrandom | haha |
| 00:17.09 | phoenix7700 | press it 32 times |
| 00:17.11 | phoenix7700 | and you are done |
| 00:17.17 | Fenix | i had anothoer button to reset it x |
| 00:17.25 | Fenix | xD |
| 00:18.25 | slightlyrandom | http://www.sciencebuddies.org/science-fair-projects/project_ideas/CompSci_p011.shtml |
| 00:18.41 | Fenix | um? |
| 00:19.00 | slightlyrandom | It took my computer 132ms, that's 0.132 seconds, to do 100 million additions |
| 00:19.16 | Fenix | lol |
| 00:19.26 | Fenix | i dont want to calculate that manually >.< |
| 00:19.30 | Fenix | it will take a few days |
| 00:19.31 | Fenix | xD |
| 00:20.04 | slightlyrandom | The point is, the amount of processing power you're asking your computer to devote to your simple arithmetic is... inconsequential |
| 00:20.28 | phoenix7700 | well not everyone has the same processor bro |
| 00:20.42 | slightlyrandom | I'm running this on a four year old laptop |
| 00:20.55 | slightlyrandom | We are talking orders of magnitude here |
| 00:20.59 | phoenix7700 | yea how old it is matter |
| 00:21.06 | slightlyrandom | I'm just |
| 00:21.09 | slightlyrandom | I don't even |
| 00:21.10 | slightlyrandom | What the |
| 00:21.23 | slightlyrandom | Computers are fucking addition machines |
| 00:21.26 | slightlyrandom | This is what they do |
| 00:21.33 | phoenix7700 | yea |
| 00:21.44 | phoenix7700 | but why make MORE addition for it |
| 00:21.46 | phoenix7700 | when you dont have to |
| 00:22.02 | Fenix | so ima try out my average apm system :P |
| 00:22.34 | slightlyrandom | :'( |
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| 00:23.19 | phoenix7700 | im doing that same website right now |
| 00:23.25 | phoenix7700 | and addition takes 294ms |
| 00:23.31 | slightlyrandom | Yeah |
| 00:23.34 | phoenix7700 | like twice as slow |
| 00:23.37 | slightlyrandom | That's for 100 million additions |
| 00:23.41 | phoenix7700 | yea |
| 00:23.47 | phoenix7700 | still |
| 00:23.52 | phoenix7700 | why add on more if you dont have to |
| 00:24.07 | phoenix7700 | your computer is running sc2 when its doing ths |
| 00:24.13 | phoenix7700 | it has other sht to do |
| 00:24.50 | slightlyrandom | Well, in theory you are right, of course |
| 00:24.51 | phoenix7700 | you dont HAVE to worry about it |
| 00:24.55 | phoenix7700 | and it'll be fine |
| 00:25.11 | phoenix7700 | but i like to make it as productive as possible |
| 00:25.50 | phoenix7700 | especially if you are doing something like protien folding |
| 00:26.19 | phoenix7700 | which is like alot more than 100 million calculations |
| 00:26.36 | phoenix7700 | like 100 million^3 |
| 00:27.35 | slightlyrandom | That's a different story, though |
| 00:28.33 | phoenix7700 | running video games can be almost as intensive as that |
| 00:29.01 | phoenix7700 | especially if the people that coded the engines didn't try to make it as effecient as possible |
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| 00:31.15 | XenoX101 | hey has anyone here got experience or knowledge about tech support jobs? |
| 00:34.09 | Fenix | my brother does xD |
| 00:35.05 | XenoX101 | hm, does he any advice on getting the job or doing it? |
| 00:36.09 | Shawn|Rawr | Be as Indian as possible? |
| 00:36.36 | XenoX101 | har |
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| 00:41.00 | Fenix | my average apm dont seems to work correctly |
| 00:41.25 | Fenix | by flowing the average*count + current / count+1 |
| 00:41.57 | Fenix | =average |
| 00:42.40 | phoenix7700 | are u using any parethesis in that? |
| 00:42.44 | phoenix7700 | cus it should be |
| 00:42.45 | Fenix | it takes everything to make it raise and when doing nothing it lower 1 per sec |
| 00:43.06 | phoenix7700 | (avg*count +current)/(count+1) |
| 00:43.11 | Fenix | it is |
| 00:43.20 | phoenix7700 | just making sure |
| 00:43.33 | Fenix | :P |
| 00:44.34 | phoenix7700 | id help you but im busy atm |
| 00:44.43 | Fenix | =/ |
| 00:45.11 | phoenix7700 | making good progress on my map |
| 00:45.20 | Fenix | ^^ |
| 00:45.33 | Fenix | its fun when we are not stuck on a shit xD |
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| 00:45.47 | phoenix7700 | well i am |
| 00:45.53 | Fenix | lol... |
| 00:45.56 | phoenix7700 | but i just decided to change gears |
| 00:46.00 | phoenix7700 | and do something else |
| 00:46.03 | phoenix7700 | that im not stuck on |
| 00:46.04 | Fenix | ^^ |
| 00:46.25 | Fenix | ⥠'Work around' XD |
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| 00:52.17 | phoenix7700 | lol... making a turn based game |
| 00:52.25 | phoenix7700 | and i set all units paused |
| 00:52.31 | phoenix7700 | so they dont do anything |
| 00:52.45 | phoenix7700 | but then didn't unpause them |
| 00:52.47 | Fenix | :P |
| 00:52.56 | phoenix7700 | so when it was supposed to be my turn i could give them commands |
| 00:53.04 | phoenix7700 | but they couldn't move |
| 00:58.42 | Fenix | i got a math problem. >.< |
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| 00:58.55 | Zanryu | 'bout what? |
| 00:59.05 | Fenix | calculating the average APM |
| 00:59.13 | Zanryu | why? XD |
| 01:00.07 | TheFrozenMuffin | to see if they are leet or not ^^ |
| 01:00.19 | Fenix | by folowing the: average*count + current / count+1 it stop upping caus it doesn't calculate the decimals and if you have 0 apm for a short time, it lower 1 per sec. |
| 01:01.00 | Fenix | here a few examples. |
| 01:01.02 | Fenix | (((0*0)+0)/(0+1)=0 |
| 01:01.12 | Fenix | (((0*5)+80)/(5+1)=13,3... |
| 01:01.17 | Fenix | (((13*6)+60)/(6+1)=19,714285... |
| 01:01.25 | Fenix | it is upping almost normally |
| 01:01.44 | Fenix | (((50*180)+60)/(180+1)=50,055248... |
| 01:02.19 | Fenix | this is after 3min, (180 sec) with an average of 50 and a current of 60 it only up of 0.05 apm |
| 01:02.32 | Fenix | (((50*240)+250)/(240+1)=50,8298775... |
| 01:02.50 | phoenix7700 | so? |
| 01:02.51 | Fenix | after 4min, average 50, and current 250, it up only of 0.82 |
| 01:02.58 | phoenix7700 | it seems to be working right to me |
| 01:03.18 | Fenix | after a few min, you cant make it higher |
| 01:03.27 | Fenix | caus number are too small difference |
| 01:03.29 | phoenix7700 | ah |
| 01:03.37 | phoenix7700 | that the divison |
| 01:03.38 | phoenix7700 | i see |
| 01:03.39 | Fenix | but if you stop your apm |
| 01:03.40 | phoenix7700 | than |
| 01:03.41 | Zanryu | you donÄt have apm |
| 01:03.44 | Fenix | yeah |
| 01:03.49 | Zanryu | where is the minute? |
| 01:03.55 | slightlyrandom | It isnt ;) |
| 01:04.07 | slightlyrandom | This is AP(random time period) |
| 01:04.17 | Fenix | AP? |
| 01:04.22 | slightlyrandom | actions per |
| 01:04.28 | Zanryu | yeah actions per something |
| 01:04.41 | phoenix7700 | oh yeah |
| 01:04.47 | phoenix7700 | your divison needs to be in minuets |
| 01:04.50 | phoenix7700 | not seconds |
| 01:04.58 | Fenix | um.. |
| 01:05.07 | slightlyrandom | It isn't in seconds |
| 01:05.16 | Zanryu | neither seconds nor minutes |
| 01:05.20 | slightlyrandom | Stop |
| 01:05.26 | phoenix7700 | wel lyeah |
| 01:05.29 | slightlyrandom | If he is pulling the data from something that outputs in APM |
| 01:05.31 | slightlyrandom | He will have APM |
| 01:05.37 | phoenix7700 | you have a number that has no measurement |
| 01:05.40 | Fenix | meaning, when i have 0 apm, it is like if i had 0 apm for 1 minute? |
| 01:06.04 | phoenix7700 | yes |
| 01:06.08 | phoenix7700 | thats what apm means |
| 01:06.16 | Fenix | the first minute mesure correctly, but over that it doesn't work correctly |
| 01:06.17 | slightlyrandom | Fenix: Do you want it to show overall APM for the entire match, or APM for the past ~30 seconds ? |
| 01:06.17 | phoenix7700 | number of actions per minuet |
| 01:06.22 | Fenix | more time go fater |
| 01:06.24 | Fenix | farter |
| 01:06.29 | slightlyrandom | Dudes |
| 01:06.40 | slightlyrandom | His number is already in minutes |
| 01:06.42 | Fenix | average apm, what is it suppose to be? |
| 01:06.42 | Zanryu | btw |
| 01:06.46 | Zanryu | fenix |
| 01:07.00 | Zanryu | you know you can ask the editor for player apm, do you? |
| 01:07.06 | Fenix | yes |
| 01:07.11 | Fenix | Player score value |
| 01:07.12 | Fenix | Apm |
| 01:07.12 | phoenix7700 | but not average |
| 01:07.18 | Fenix | yup |
| 01:07.26 | Fenix | and then i want to be able to calculate it |
| 01:07.43 | Fenix | but i dont know what is the period of time for the average apm |
| 01:07.50 | Fenix | we can see for example in the replay |
| 01:07.52 | slightlyrandom | It's still minutes |
| 01:07.52 | phoenix7700 | 60sec |
| 01:07.56 | Zanryu | why don't you run a trigger with an event of 60 seconds of ask the apm at that moment? |
| 01:08.01 | slightlyrandom | Zanryu: Stop |
| 01:08.11 | slightlyrandom | Don't give bogus advice to fix problems that don't exist, please |
| 01:08.12 | Fenix | but... if i have 0 apm during 1 min, i wont have an average of 0 |
| 01:08.12 | Zanryu | and add this value in variables? |
| 01:08.18 | phoenix7700 | 1 sec should be fine fenis |
| 01:08.22 | phoenix7700 | fenix... |
| 01:08.35 | phoenix7700 | hmm |
| 01:08.55 | phoenix7700 | it should be |
| 01:09.02 | phoenix7700 | based on the calculation you hve |
| 01:09.02 | slightlyrandom | Fenix: What exactly is it you want to number to show? |
| 01:09.03 | Zanryu | why should it be false? |
| 01:09.28 | slightlyrandom | Zanryu: Because the numbers he is polling is from the games APM counter, and is thus already a measure of actions per minute |
| 01:09.40 | Fenix | i want to show the current apm, what is easy caus there is the value for it in the trigger. I want also the average apm. |
| 01:09.48 | slightlyrandom | Average over how long? |
| 01:09.56 | Zanryu | entire game i think |
| 01:10.02 | phoenix7700 | yeah, if you are using the entie game it's right |
| 01:10.06 | slightlyrandom | You have entire game now |
| 01:10.10 | Fenix | the normal lenght, what we can see in replay. |
| 01:10.16 | phoenix7700 | longer the game goes the harder it is to move the average up |
| 01:10.24 | Fenix | yes |
| 01:10.30 | slightlyrandom | Replay has entire match, and current (which is probably past minute) |
| 01:10.33 | Fenix | but it doesnt take 5 min befor the apm is stuck |
| 01:10.44 | slightlyrandom | Depends how much it fluctuates |
| 01:10.57 | phoenix7700 | yeah |
| 01:10.58 | Fenix | and when i stop doing huge apm, it lower 1 per sec |
| 01:11.02 | phoenix7700 | if you start out with 200 |
| 01:11.04 | phoenix7700 | and keep it that way |
| 01:11.11 | phoenix7700 | it'll stay around that much |
| 01:11.14 | phoenix7700 | if you stop |
| 01:11.19 | phoenix7700 | it'll slowly go down |
| 01:11.29 | Fenix | slowly yes, fast no. |
| 01:11.32 | phoenix7700 | the earlier you stop the quicker it goes down |
| 01:11.40 | slightlyrandom | Fenix: This is what average means |
| 01:11.45 | slightlyrandom | This is expected behaviour |
| 01:12.10 | Fenix | I still have a feeling it is not working properly... |
| 01:12.12 | phoenix7700 | if you want the number to be an average of the past minuet |
| 01:12.20 | phoenix7700 | just always divide by 60 |
| 01:12.27 | phoenix7700 | and reset the average every minuet |
| 01:12.36 | slightlyrandom | wait, what? |
| 01:12.46 | Zanryu | i dunno what he say |
| 01:12.54 | slightlyrandom | Doesn't make sense, so don't try |
| 01:13.08 | Zanryu | when you want current apm you can take it from the ediotr via real variable |
| 01:13.10 | phoenix7700 | i think thats what he wants, like average of past so many seconds |
| 01:13.41 | Fenix | Zanryu i know, but i have it in integer. |
| 01:13.48 | Fenix | same hting |
| 01:13.51 | Fenix | alsmo |
| 01:13.52 | Zanryu | then change it to a integer >.< |
| 01:14.14 | phoenix7700 | i HAVE it in integet |
| 01:14.16 | phoenix7700 | he says |
| 01:14.17 | phoenix7700 | ... |
| 01:14.25 | Fenix | xD |
| 01:14.41 | phoenix7700 | change from int -> int |
| 01:14.48 | Fenix | lol.. |
| 01:15.13 | Zanryu | then i don't know why phoenix is talking bout apm of the past minute |
| 01:15.16 | phoenix7700 | dynamic_cast(int) ALSO INTWTF |
| 01:15.51 | phoenix7700 | you take the average of the last minuet |
| 01:15.54 | phoenix7700 | minute |
| 01:16.24 | phoenix7700 | so like |
| 01:16.41 | Fenix | brb, ill try again... see if its me or really something wrong. |
| 01:16.42 | Zanryu | did you mean the exact thing i mentioned a few minutes ago? |
| 01:17.11 | phoenix7700 | i dont know what you mentioned |
| 01:17.35 | Zanryu | [03:07] <Zanryu> why don't you run a trigger with an event of 60 seconds of ask the apm at that moment? |
| 01:17.41 | Zanryu | [03:08] <Zanryu> and add this value in variables? |
| 01:17.54 | phoenix7700 | no |
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| 01:18.17 | phoenix7700 | thats just taking what the action during that split second at 1 min is |
| 01:18.19 | phoenix7700 | and saving it |
| 01:18.27 | phoenix7700 | not an average of the entire 60 sec |
| 01:18.41 | Zanryu | then you have it to put it every second |
| 01:18.46 | phoenix7700 | if at seconds 1-59 you have 200 apm |
| 01:18.48 | phoenix7700 | then stop |
| 01:18.50 | phoenix7700 | it records 0 |
| 01:18.58 | phoenix7700 | no shit |
| 01:19.05 | phoenix7700 | thats what he is doing |
| 01:19.18 | phoenix7700 | im saying |
| 01:19.23 | Zanryu | and what is his problem actually? |
| 01:19.30 | phoenix7700 | i think he wants to only SHOW an average of the last 60 secs |
| 01:19.41 | phoenix7700 | not entire match |
| 01:19.47 | phoenix7700 | or 5 mins maybe |
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| 01:20.16 | Zanryu | then he have to make a loop of 60 times and a 1 second break |
| 01:20.16 | phoenix7700 | Fenix |
| 01:20.33 | Zanryu | an integer with 60 arrays |
| 01:20.56 | phoenix7700 | is that what you want? |
| 01:21.02 | phoenix7700 | average of last 60 sec |
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| 01:22.57 | Fenix | back |
| 01:24.04 | XorioZ | wow |
| 01:24.07 | XorioZ | slepee |
| 01:24.12 | XorioZ | your on |
| 01:24.23 | Fenix | there is really something weird. Lets say after few min the average is at 150. If i do like 300 apm, it slowly goes up. If I stop, with 0 apm, it lower 1 or more per sec. |
| 01:24.45 | Fenix | it is not upping at the same speed as it is lowering |
| 01:25.53 | phoenix7700 | ya |
| 01:26.04 | phoenix7700 | cus 0 is a bigger hit than 300 |
| 01:26.18 | phoenix7700 | you'd have to add inifinity to see the same increase as 0 drops it |
| 01:26.22 | phoenix7700 | but you can't do that |
| 01:26.41 | Fenix | but compared to the average of 150, it iis supposed to up at the same speed as it is for the 300 or the 0 |
| 01:26.48 | Fenix | tehre is a difference of 150 |
| 01:26.51 | Fenix | both |
| 01:27.05 | phoenix7700 | ya |
| 01:27.09 | Zanryu | how had you hold 300 and zero apm? |
| 01:27.12 | Zanryu | long* |
| 01:27.40 | phoenix7700 | Fenis |
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| 01:27.46 | phoenix7700 | Fenix.... |
| 01:27.46 | Fenix | for longer 300 apm the 0 apm lower faster. |
| 01:28.14 | phoenix7700 | thats how averages work man |
| 01:28.33 | phoenix7700 | have you ever tried to bring a grade in a class from 90 to 100 |
| 01:28.36 | Fenix | why isnt it upping at same speed! |
| 01:28.47 | phoenix7700 | BCUS |
| 01:28.51 | phoenix7700 | THATS HOW AVERAGE WORKS |
| 01:29.09 | phoenix7700 | if you want it to be more like the one in the replays |
| 01:29.20 | phoenix7700 | then you have to remove the older entires |
| 01:29.24 | phoenix7700 | entries |
| 01:29.32 | phoenix7700 | so |
| 01:29.45 | phoenix7700 | lets say you take the first minute |
| 01:29.48 | phoenix7700 | and get an average of 100 |
| 01:29.58 | phoenix7700 | save that as minute one |
| 01:30.12 | phoenix7700 | then next minute |
| 01:30.24 | phoenix7700 | use the first minute average in the calculations |
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| 01:30.49 | Fenix | um um... |
| 01:30.50 | phoenix7700 | then after you get to minute 5 |
| 01:31.04 | phoenix7700 | and you have 5 different averages saved |
| 01:31.08 | phoenix7700 | for each minute |
| 01:31.16 | phoenix7700 | then when you get to 6 |
| 01:31.23 | phoenix7700 | you remove the one from minute one |
| 01:31.25 | phoenix7700 | or overwrite it |
| 01:31.27 | phoenix7700 | with 6 |
| 01:31.33 | phoenix7700 | so that info isn't there anymore |
| 01:31.50 | phoenix7700 | you can do it with less than 5 mins |
| 01:31.51 | phoenix7700 | like 2 |
| 01:31.54 | phoenix7700 | or 1 |
| 01:32.11 | phoenix7700 | then if you had a lower number before |
| 01:32.26 | Fenix | i understand what you mean... do i need like 5 variables to save the value for every minute? |
| 01:32.37 | phoenix7700 | yea |
| 01:32.39 | phoenix7700 | if you do it for 5 mins |
| 01:32.40 | Zanryu | you also can do it for every second |
| 01:33.12 | phoenix7700 | but then its not an average zanryu |
| 01:33.15 | phoenix7700 | dont listen to him |
| 01:33.19 | phoenix7700 | he'll fuck you up |
| 01:33.22 | Zanryu | lölz |
| 01:33.23 | Fenix | lol |
| 01:34.09 | phoenix7700 | you arn't gonna get the exact average |
| 01:34.14 | phoenix7700 | but you'll get close enough |
| 01:34.19 | Fenix | so the average that we see in the replay or in some map that ppl made mean it is not exacly the same thing depending how they made it? |
| 01:34.31 | phoenix7700 | right |
| 01:34.36 | phoenix7700 | but they are close enough |
| 01:34.38 | phoenix7700 | that it doesn't matter |
| 01:34.51 | phoenix7700 | the one you see at the end |
| 01:34.55 | phoenix7700 | is the way you have it now |
| 01:35.04 | phoenix7700 | average for entire match |
| 01:35.05 | Fenix | per 5 min? |
| 01:35.10 | phoenix7700 | no |
| 01:35.22 | Fenix | it cant be the one i have it now... |
| 01:35.33 | Fenix | caus the one i have is weird... idk how to say |
| 01:35.47 | phoenix7700 | can you send me your trigger |
| 01:35.52 | phoenix7700 | picture or something |
| 01:36.06 | Fenix | give me a sec ill send you the map. |
| 01:36.12 | phoenix7700 | that works too |
| 01:36.33 | Zanryu | give me too |
| 01:36.36 | Slepee | Anyone seen that movie Inkheart? |
| 01:36.40 | Zanryu | then i'll write you my solution |
| 01:36.47 | Fenix | http://www.sendspace.com/file/docaxy |
| 01:36.49 | phoenix7700 | your solution is wrong |
| 01:37.00 | Zanryu | you havn't see it yet |
| 01:37.16 | phoenix7700 | but it's wrong |
| 01:37.23 | Zanryu | where will you know it? |
| 01:38.13 | Zanryu | how* <.< |
| 01:38.45 | Fenix | got the map phoenix7700? |
| 01:38.49 | phoenix7700 | where are you getting apmNum |
| 01:39.22 | Fenix | dialog refresh |
| 01:39.26 | Fenix | first line |
| 01:39.28 | Fenix | var |
| 01:41.02 | phoenix7700 | testing it and i dont see where the apm is showing up |
| 01:41.18 | Fenix | top left there is 2 numbers |
| 01:41.27 | Fenix | the one in top is the current |
| 01:41.33 | Fenix | the one more down is the average |
| 01:41.55 | phoenix7700 | seems to be fine to me |
| 01:41.58 | phoenix7700 | the way you have it |
| 01:42.10 | phoenix7700 | it was at about 60 |
| 01:42.14 | phoenix7700 | then i spammed to 440 |
| 01:42.21 | phoenix7700 | and it brought it up about 2 every second |
| 01:42.44 | phoenix7700 | the longer a wait right now though |
| 01:42.49 | Fenix | yeah at start it works fine... but after like 4-5 min, its hard to make it up, and if you stop it lower fast |
| 01:42.50 | phoenix7700 | its adding in 0s |
| 01:42.59 | phoenix7700 | yes |
| 01:43.05 | phoenix7700 | if you stop |
| 01:43.09 | phoenix7700 | and dont keep it up |
| 01:43.13 | phoenix7700 | then making it go higher |
| 01:43.20 | phoenix7700 | will take just as long of constant |
| 01:43.25 | phoenix7700 | to make it go back up |
| 01:43.37 | Fenix | but it should lower at the same speed as if i was spamming amp |
| 01:43.47 | phoenix7700 | yeah |
| 01:43.50 | Fenix | it doesnt |
| 01:43.53 | phoenix7700 | it's lowring to 0 |
| 01:43.56 | phoenix7700 | and that's wrong |
| 01:44.02 | phoenix7700 | it shoudnlt ever reach 0 |
| 01:44.08 | Fenix | yeah |
| 01:44.18 | phoenix7700 | hmm |
| 01:44.18 | Fenix | or really really late |
| 01:44.36 | Fenix | but if you spam 500 apm at start and then do nothing... it can lower to 0 |
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| 01:50.40 | Fenix | any idea phoenix7700? |
| 01:51.10 | phoenix7700 | hmm |
| 01:51.11 | phoenix7700 | sec |
| 01:51.39 | Zanryu | question: do you want apm for a certain time or the whole game? |
| 01:51.52 | phoenix7700 | whole game |
| 01:51.55 | Zanryu | kk |
| 01:52.01 | Fenix | i want it like in the replays |
| 01:54.32 | phoenix7700 | your apm/average is being calculated faster than per second |
| 01:54.34 | phoenix7700 | thats why |
| 01:55.02 | Fenix | but what about the wait i dadded?! |
| 01:55.03 | phoenix7700 | put a debug message in the APM average |
| 01:55.08 | phoenix7700 | yeah |
| 01:55.14 | phoenix7700 | its not waiting long enough |
| 01:55.17 | phoenix7700 | i dont now why |
| 01:55.30 | phoenix7700 | lemme try something |
| 01:55.31 | Fenix | it is folowing the game time sec |
| 01:55.39 | Fenix | game time is a fastest |
| 01:55.40 | phoenix7700 | no |
| 01:55.43 | phoenix7700 | it's faster |
| 01:55.49 | Fenix | weird.. |
| 01:55.51 | phoenix7700 | yeah |
| 01:55.56 | phoenix7700 | it starts with it |
| 01:55.57 | phoenix7700 | on time |
| 01:55.59 | phoenix7700 | then speeds up |
| 01:56.13 | phoenix7700 | put a debug message in the APMaverage trigger |
| 01:56.29 | phoenix7700 | you get like 2 messages a second |
| 01:56.42 | Fenix | what do you mean by debug message? Like "Text message" and just put something |
| 01:56.43 | Fenix | ? |
| 01:56.58 | phoenix7700 | make an action and search for debug |
| 01:57.04 | Zanryu | the lower is over game apm? |
| 01:57.07 | phoenix7700 | it's basically test |
| 01:57.13 | phoenix7700 | yese |
| 01:57.35 | phoenix7700 | now it's going it time |
| 01:57.40 | phoenix7700 | ... :!?! |
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| 01:57.46 | phoenix7700 | in |
| 01:58.18 | Fenix | ill test |
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| 02:00.37 | Fenix | yup it is going a bit faster than the game time. |
| 02:01.14 | Fenix | could it be the "While"? |
| 02:01.14 | Zanryu | i think my trigger works |
| 02:01.30 | Zanryu | seems to work properly |
| 02:01.30 | Fenix | your working on it too Zanryu? |
| 02:01.44 | Zanryu | as far as i can see yes |
| 02:01.49 | Fenix | lol k |
| 02:01.55 | Fenix | thanx guys :P |
| 02:02.54 | Fenix | luckily im at less a bit organized in my triggers xD |
| 02:03.11 | Stewox | hello |
| 02:03.15 | Fenix | yo |
| 02:03.19 | Stewox | SC2 able to read MPQ format 4.0 ? |
| 02:04.00 | Fenix | no idea, it is not to me that you will get a good answer xD |
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| 02:07.04 | Fenix | this would be nice to have another map where there is the average APM calculation. |
| 02:07.43 | phoenix7700 | oh fenix |
| 02:07.51 | phoenix7700 | i figured out why it drops to 0 so fast |
| 02:08.04 | Fenix | what is happening? |
| 02:08.05 | phoenix7700 | and why its so hard to bring it back up |
| 02:08.23 | phoenix7700 | when your average gets to 0 |
| 02:08.23 | Fenix | what we did wrong |
| 02:08.36 | phoenix7700 | and its around 5 mins |
| 02:08.45 | phoenix7700 | your equation looks like this |
| 02:08.46 | Fenix | it doesnt need to be 0 to get it hard to up |
| 02:09.05 | phoenix7700 | (0*0)+apmreadin/(500) |
| 02:09.17 | phoenix7700 | so it gives you a ridiculous amount |
| 02:09.22 | phoenix7700 | basically |
| 02:09.25 | phoenix7700 | the longer you waiit |
| 02:09.29 | phoenix7700 | and give it 0's |
| 02:09.40 | phoenix7700 | as the average lowers |
| 02:09.44 | Fenix | apmreadin? |
| 02:09.49 | phoenix7700 | since you arn't saving all the numbers |
| 02:09.54 | phoenix7700 | apm read in |
| 02:10.15 | phoenix7700 | so lets say |
| 02:10.19 | phoenix7700 | you get to 500 sec |
| 02:10.20 | phoenix7700 | right? |
| 02:10.25 | phoenix7700 | and your apm is 0 |
| 02:10.31 | Fenix | current? |
| 02:10.37 | phoenix7700 | yes |
| 02:10.40 | phoenix7700 | then at 501 |
| 02:10.44 | phoenix7700 | you bring it to 100 |
| 02:10.45 | phoenix7700 | so |
| 02:11.00 | phoenix7700 | (0*0)+100/501 |
| 02:11.08 | phoenix7700 | you get less than 1 |
| 02:11.11 | phoenix7700 | and it rounds down |
| 02:11.13 | phoenix7700 | to 0 |
| 02:11.28 | phoenix7700 | keeping you at 0 |
| 02:11.35 | Fenix | average*count)+current) / count + 1 |
| 02:11.40 | phoenix7700 | yes |
| 02:11.42 | Fenix | why would be the first count to 0? |
| 02:11.52 | phoenix7700 | my bad |
| 02:12.01 | phoenix7700 | 0*501 is still 0 |
| 02:12.20 | Fenix | yea but what about other numbers |
| 02:12.24 | phoenix7700 | (0*501)+100 /(501) |
| 02:12.26 | Fenix | if you are not exacly to 0 |
| 02:12.33 | phoenix7700 | ok |
| 02:12.36 | phoenix7700 | lets say it's at 1 |
| 02:12.47 | phoenix7700 | 1*501 |
| 02:12.51 | phoenix7700 | +100 |
| 02:12.55 | phoenix7700 | 601/501 |
| 02:13.03 | phoenix7700 | hardly above 1 |
| 02:13.17 | phoenix7700 | rounds down to 1 |
| 02:13.30 | Fenix | average of 50, current of 0, time 500. (((50*500)+0) / 500+1 |
| 02:13.40 | phoenix7700 | yes |
| 02:14.11 | Fenix | this mean 50 * 500 and then / 501 |
| 02:14.13 | Zanryu | if you wait long enough each integer counter will drop down to zero anytime |
| 02:14.27 | phoenix7700 | yes exatly |
| 02:14.28 | Nash|327 | integer division |
| 02:14.42 | Fenix | but even if it was in real with thousand decimals it would do the same thing |
| 02:14.43 | phoenix7700 | so basically |
| 02:14.46 | Nash|327 | 1/2 = 0 |
| 02:14.51 | phoenix7700 | if your player ever lets their apm get low |
| 02:14.52 | Zanryu | nope it won't |
| 02:14.58 | phoenix7700 | it'll be way hard as shit |
| 02:15.04 | Zanryu | real would fix it |
| 02:15.05 | phoenix7700 | even if at one point they had it ato 500 |
| 02:15.22 | phoenix7700 | yeah |
| 02:15.25 | phoenix7700 | real would fix it |
| 02:15.27 | phoenix7700 | but |
| 02:15.32 | Fenix | i dont think so... |
| 02:15.34 | phoenix7700 | you still have the problem of |
| 02:15.37 | phoenix7700 | if it gets low |
| 02:15.41 | Fenix | integer just making it lower faster |
| 02:15.47 | phoenix7700 | its super hard to get it back up |
| 02:15.49 | Fenix | but it will still lower fast with real |
| 02:15.58 | phoenix7700 | yes |
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| 02:16.02 | Zanryu | you can't do anything against it, when somebody drops the apm at 0 for a long time |
| 02:16.11 | phoenix7700 | no |
| 02:16.18 | Zanryu | each average counter will drop under 1 after a certain time |
| 02:16.19 | Fenix | it is for a short time |
| 02:16.19 | phoenix7700 | but you can just take a smaller sample |
| 02:16.45 | phoenix7700 | just make your counter have a max value |
| 02:16.55 | phoenix7700 | so after it gets to a certain point |
| 02:17.02 | Nash|327 | You can use weighted averages. |
| 02:17.03 | phoenix7700 | or wait |
| 02:17.21 | Vailreth | hey Xor. |
| 02:17.29 | Fenix | if we max it at 60 for 60 sec. I'm not sure... |
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| 02:17.50 | Nash|327 | after a long time, any change will have very little effect |
| 02:17.59 | Vailreth | hey Xor. |
| 02:18.02 | Nash|327 | because it's average for whole map |
| 02:18.06 | Nash|327 | or whatever |
| 02:18.14 | phoenix7700 | yea |
| 02:18.17 | Fenix | yeah, but... at long time, it is still dropping fast |
| 02:18.18 | phoenix7700 | if you make it max at 60 |
| 02:18.28 | phoenix7700 | it'll give you the last 60 sec average |
| 02:18.29 | phoenix7700 | about |
| 02:18.40 | phoenix7700 | still wont be exact |
| 02:18.43 | Fenix | yup |
| 02:18.47 | XorioZ_ | yo Vail. |
| 02:18.55 | Nash|327 | weighted average :G |
| 02:19.05 | XorioZ_ | we need to talk about how exactly to do this ability thing |
| 02:19.12 | phoenix7700 | how would that work nash |
| 02:19.23 | phoenix7700 | cus he taking it at the exact same intervals |
| 02:19.25 | Vailreth | ok |
| 02:19.39 | phoenix7700 | or fenix |
| 02:19.44 | Fenix | yeah? |
| 02:19.46 | phoenix7700 | you can save the average every minute |
| 02:19.49 | Nash|327 | current value counts for more than previous averages |
| 02:19.54 | phoenix7700 | and use that in the calculation |
| 02:20.14 | Fenix | im not sure how to do though... |
| 02:20.25 | phoenix7700 | every 60 sec |
| 02:20.31 | phoenix7700 | set a variable |
| 02:20.47 | phoenix7700 | nash |
| 02:20.57 | phoenix7700 | he isn't saving old averages though |
| 02:21.07 | phoenix7700 | he is doing each calculation and saving the average |
| 02:21.10 | phoenix7700 | each second |
| 02:21.19 | phoenix7700 | so there is nothing to weight |
| 02:21.22 | Nash|327 | same thing |
| 02:21.24 | phoenix7700 | it aganist |
| 02:21.36 | Nash|327 | you have previous average and current value |
| 02:21.40 | phoenix7700 | unless you weigh the new one as more |
| 02:21.48 | phoenix7700 | ya |
| 02:21.50 | phoenix7700 | i guess |
| 02:22.02 | phoenix7700 | but that'll give you a messed up number at the start huh? |
| 02:22.29 | Nash|327 | ...no |
| 02:22.33 | Fenix | waht do you mean with "weigh" for the values? |
| 02:22.38 | phoenix7700 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:22.49 | phoenix7700 | give the previous average 30% relevance |
| 02:22.54 | phoenix7700 | and the new one 70% |
| 02:23.28 | phoenix7700 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:23.35 | phoenix7700 | it counts as more |
| 02:23.45 | Fenix | *why blizz isnt just adding it average system into the same place where we find the current apm >.<* |
| 02:23.55 | phoenix7700 | cus |
| 02:24.05 | phoenix7700 | they saw this problem |
| 02:24.10 | phoenix7700 | that there are too many ways to calculate it |
| 02:24.13 | Nash|327 | a weighted average, is instead of (A + B)/2, something like (A*0.5 + B*1.5)/2 |
| 02:24.14 | phoenix7700 | so decided not to |
| 02:24.28 | phoenix7700 | yea |
| 02:24.37 | phoenix7700 | like that |
| 02:24.49 | phoenix7700 | so b is 75% and a is 25% |
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| 02:24.55 | adgadgadg | adgadg |
| 02:24.58 | adgadgadg | vailreth |
| 02:25.05 | phoenix7700 | no |
| 02:25.05 | phoenix7700 | sh |
| 02:25.06 | phoenix7700 | h |
| 02:25.09 | adgadgadg | how did u do your construction |
| 02:25.17 | adgadgadg | did u use a pylon for building area |
| 02:26.01 | Fenix | well, even by adding those "weigh" to var, i dont think it will make it slow down when lowering |
| 02:26.25 | Fenix | it will, but still be with the same basic problem but... slower xD |
| 02:26.33 | Vailreth | i used a power field behavior yes |
| 02:26.51 | phoenix7700 | yes |
| 02:27.04 | phoenix7700 | again |
| 02:27.13 | phoenix7700 | the average isn't gonna be perfect |
| 02:27.23 | phoenix7700 | unless you save each integer into an array |
| 02:27.32 | phoenix7700 | and add them each time |
| 02:27.38 | phoenix7700 | then it'll be right |
| 02:27.56 | Fenix | um.. |
| 02:28.10 | adgadgadg | alright and was there a way to make the con yard prebuild it before u placed or better yet can i try ur mod? |
| 02:28.45 | phoenix7700 | who is adgadgadg talking to |
| 02:28.49 | adgadgadg | vailreth |
| 02:29.03 | adgadgadg | oh and ive fixed meh map and stuff |
| 02:29.31 | phoenix7700 | he isn't saying anthing :O |
| 02:29.45 | adgadgadg | vailreth has he just talked at 21:26 |
| 02:29.57 | Fenix | could you make an example of waht you mean with array and everything and send back the map? |
| 02:30.01 | phoenix7700 | ~seen Vailreth |
| 02:30.03 | purl | vailreth is currently on #sc2mapster (7h 43m 41s). Has said a total of 56 messages. Is idling for 3m 30s, last said: 'i used a power field behavior yes'. |
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| 02:34.21 | Fenix | I'm taking a look to your map Zanryu |
| 02:34.45 | Slepee | And once the look is at the map what will it do? |
| 02:35.11 | Zanryu | and?^^ |
| 02:38.49 | phoenix7700 | bleh |
| 02:38.57 | phoenix7700 | so hard to do this shit in this editor |
| 02:39.01 | XorioZ | Slepee... :) |
| 02:39.02 | phoenix7700 | much easier in C++ |
| 02:39.12 | Slepee | lol |
| 02:39.15 | Nash|327 | Easiest way to make a weighted average is just average = previous*(1-w) + current*w |
| 02:39.22 | phoenix7700 | im not |
| 02:39.28 | phoenix7700 | making a weighted average |
| 02:39.34 | Vailreth | adgad sorry yes i can show you my map |
| 02:39.54 | Vailreth | i was working on my teams project |
| 02:41.01 | Fenix | well Zanryu, this is way more what i was looking for ^^ |
| 02:41.08 | Fenix | thanx =D |
| 02:41.11 | Zanryu | ^^ |
| 02:42.07 | Slepee | Too bad they did'nt decide to allow scripting of every element in the editor. |
| 02:43.10 | Vailreth | adgadgadg: http://www.box.net/shared/584c10e6u29pusbpayhi |
| 02:43.23 | Vailreth | its not finished |
| 02:43.40 | Vailreth | but its mostly functional complete with enginers |
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| 02:44.00 | Vailreth | the scvs double as the engineers |
| 02:44.24 | soulcarver | nobody seems to be watching map craft |
| 02:44.54 | Vailreth | i am sorrt i would be but something i pay money to listento is on |
| 02:44.58 | Vailreth | sorry* |
| 02:45.03 | Mexa|Tee | FFS, Qt source is a fucking bitch and kills my computer when copying files |
| 02:45.39 | adgadgadg | nice im gona check it out |
| 02:45.51 | Nash|327 | Qt mark? |
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| 02:46.24 | Mexa|Tee | Nash, a widget toolkit |
| 02:46.28 | Mexa|Tee | and framework |
| 02:46.56 | Mexa|Tee | Motherfucker is about 500MB in size, and with about 35k files inside |
| 02:47.18 | Mexa|Tee | Trying to extract it from the zip, estimated time is 20 hours D: |
| 02:47.51 | Mexa|Tee | And then, I must compile so that I can use it in VS2010, terrific, more timesaving... |
| 02:47.56 | Mexa|Tee | :G |
| 02:49.37 | soulcarver | any mapster mods on? |
| 02:50.30 | Mexa|Tee | Nash, I mean, using MFC for constructing a UI for a desktop application is way too tideous. |
| 02:50.48 | Mexa|Tee | And Qt seems like a professional choice among the supplies. |
| 02:51.33 | Nash|327 | you speak in letter combinations D: |
| 02:51.38 | Mexa|Tee | Anyways, I'll just herpaderp my way now, watching a movie or sleep while this monster is chewing my harddrive. |
| 02:51.47 | Nash|327 | nom |
| 02:55.31 | adgadgadg | uh vailreth im not trying to be mean but that mod was kinda shit |
| 02:55.40 | adgadgadg | u couldnt like fight at all |
| 02:55.42 | adgadgadg | u wana try mine? |
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| 03:00.15 | adgadgadg | any1 know something that makes alot of steam or looks like its creating power? |
| 03:00.29 | adgadgadg | im thinking of using a generator but if theres something better |
| 03:00.31 | adgadgadg | itd be nice |
| 03:01.47 | Vailreth | no offense taken it wasnt designed to be playable |
| 03:02.11 | soulcarver | the streamster is pretty damn dry and boring.... nothing really helpfull going on either... |
| 03:02.16 | Vailreth | it was just created to get the infrastructure working |
| 03:02.24 | Nash|327 | hand me kittuns |
| 03:03.05 | Vailreth | no point in making tons of units if the production infrastructure is not working |
| 03:03.47 | adgadgadg | meh u wana try mine? |
| 03:06.26 | phoenix7700 | hey |
| 03:06.31 | phoenix7700 | Fenix |
| 03:06.47 | phoenix7700 | I got a true average |
| 03:06.48 | phoenix7700 | working |
| 03:06.55 | phoenix7700 | but |
| 03:07.03 | phoenix7700 | if the game lasts longer than 10 hours |
| 03:07.07 | phoenix7700 | then it'll crash |
| 03:07.13 | Nash|327 | haha |
| 03:07.13 | Fenix | i got it working thanx to Zanryu |
| 03:07.15 | Fenix | lol |
| 03:07.30 | Fenix | why it would crash? |
| 03:07.37 | phoenix7700 | cus it's using fixed array |
| 03:08.09 | Nash|327 | array D:? |
| 03:08.14 | Fenix | xD |
| 03:08.23 | phoenix7700 | yes |
| 03:08.35 | phoenix7700 | int [10] [3600] |
| 03:08.52 | Vailreth | sorry no i dont have time to right now |
| 03:08.53 | Fenix | meaning? |
| 03:08.58 | Nash|327 | that's extremely wasteful D: |
| 03:09.04 | phoenix7700 | yep |
| 03:09.26 | phoenix7700 | you know how to do dynamic arraying with triggers? |
| 03:09.28 | Fenix | why using array is wasteful? i dont even know what and array is |
| 03:09.29 | Fenix | xD |
| 03:09.47 | phoenix7700 | it a series of integers |
| 03:09.56 | Fenix | interesting. |
| 03:10.13 | phoenix7700 | thats the only way you are gonna get an exact mean/average |
| 03:10.23 | phoenix7700 | but you can get really close |
| 03:10.28 | phoenix7700 | doing it other ways |
| 03:10.31 | Slepee | it's a much easier method of organizing series of data, rather than calling them number1, number2, number3 etc. :P |
| 03:10.31 | phoenix7700 | without wasting so much |
| 03:10.59 | phoenix7700 | you just call number [1] |
| 03:11.03 | phoenix7700 | number [2] |
| 03:11.20 | Fenix | well, the one gave me Zanryu is nicly working for me :) |
| 03:11.25 | Fenix | nicely |
| 03:11.47 | phoenix7700 | cool |
| 03:12.00 | Fenix | if you want to try, go on b.net and search for Double Build Micro :P |
| 03:12.15 | phoenix7700 | meh |
| 03:12.21 | Fenix | thats what I,m going to do to know how it is looking in the lobby |
| 03:12.24 | phoenix7700 | too ridiculous |
| 03:19.31 | soulcarver | need help stoping a right click move error |
| 03:20.11 | adgadgadg | vail u sure u dont wana play meh awesome map? |
| 03:23.45 | Mexa|Tee | " <phoenix7700> int [10] [3600]" when do you ever need 36000 integers ._.? |
| 03:24.00 | phoenix7700 | when you set one every second |
| 03:24.09 | phoenix7700 | for 10 hours |
| 03:24.24 | Mexa|Tee | Also very wasteful, you will hit the global memory limit much faster |
| 03:24.31 | phoenix7700 | you could probably make it [2] [3600] |
| 03:24.33 | phoenix7700 | and we ok |
| 03:24.39 | phoenix7700 | and be |
| 03:24.44 | phoenix7700 | yeah |
| 03:24.44 | Mexa|Tee | Use a hashtable |
| 03:24.49 | phoenix7700 | im not gonna use it |
| 03:24.52 | Mexa|Tee | *the datatable |
| 03:25.01 | phoenix7700 | never used it before |
| 03:25.05 | phoenix7700 | :O |
| 03:25.22 | Mexa|Tee | It will not add to the memory usage limit |
| 03:25.28 | phoenix7700 | dont matter |
| 03:25.34 | phoenix7700 | fenix's problem is fixed |
| 03:25.35 | Mexa|Tee | The map will stop crashing |
| 03:25.42 | Mexa|Tee | Well |
| 03:26.06 | phoenix7700 | i wouldn't ever use that many integers |
| 03:26.16 | Mexa|Tee | Consider it, what might crash now after 10 hours, will crash even earlier and earlier in the game as soon as he add more things to the map. |
| 03:26.17 | phoenix7700 | i'd use dynamic memory |
| 03:26.32 | TheFrozenMuffin | hey all |
| 03:26.32 | Mexa|Tee | Datatable is dynamic memory, kind of. |
| 03:26.40 | phoenix7700 | yeah |
| 03:26.42 | phoenix7700 | but |
| 03:26.48 | phoenix7700 | still retarded |
| 03:26.57 | TheFrozenMuffin | How do I go about modifying the attack of units? |
| 03:27.00 | phoenix7700 | but i havnt used it |
| 03:27.05 | TheFrozenMuffin | Just the damage not the attack itself |
| 03:27.07 | phoenix7700 | how so |
| 03:27.12 | phoenix7700 | the effect |
| 03:27.16 | phoenix7700 | on the weapon |
| 03:27.20 | phoenix7700 | has a value |
| 03:28.26 | phoenix7700 | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/data/23829-creating-a-building-with-limited-range/#p5 |
| 03:28.28 | soulcarver | anybody know how to disable errors in game? |
| 03:30.04 | Mexa|Tee | Aren't they indicating something you need to fix anyways? |
| 03:30.06 | TheFrozenMuffin | was that link for me? |
| 03:30.18 | TheFrozenMuffin | I found the effect |
| 03:30.23 | phoenix7700 | no |
| 03:30.28 | phoenix7700 | that was for me |
| 03:30.30 | phoenix7700 | i need help |
| 03:31.13 | phoenix7700 | ok |
| 03:31.22 | phoenix7700 | there should be an effect under damage |
| 03:31.34 | phoenix7700 | named after the weapon then has (damage) |
| 03:31.55 | soulcarver | anybody know how to disable errors in game? |
| 03:31.59 | phoenix7700 | there is an Amount field |
| 03:32.03 | phoenix7700 | on the right |
| 03:32.05 | soulcarver | anybody know how to disable errors in game? Or I mean command errors |
| 03:32.06 | phoenix7700 | change that |
| 03:32.11 | Fenix | Map Properties -> Hide triggers error |
| 03:32.17 | Fenix | it may work |
| 03:32.18 | soulcarver | not trigger errors |
| 03:32.23 | phoenix7700 | you mean like |
| 03:32.26 | soulcarver | command errors |
| 03:32.33 | phoenix7700 | when an ability does work? |
| 03:32.38 | phoenix7700 | doesnt |
| 03:32.39 | soulcarver | like "that command is not valid" |
| 03:32.44 | phoenix7700 | yeah |
| 03:32.46 | phoenix7700 | you have to set it |
| 03:32.48 | soulcarver | basically I need to right click |
| 03:32.52 | phoenix7700 | for each individual ability |
| 03:32.58 | soulcarver | but the move order is part of right clicking |
| 03:33.01 | Mexa|Tee | oh, that kind of errors. |
| 03:33.15 | soulcarver | how do i disable the move command on right errors if i dont want right clicking to do move orders? |
| 03:33.18 | phoenix7700 | you can diable right-click |
| 03:33.21 | phoenix7700 | to move |
| 03:33.24 | soulcarver | how? |
| 03:33.47 | phoenix7700 | trigger action |
| 03:34.02 | phoenix7700 | UI - Diable Smart CLick for (all Players) |
| 03:34.16 | soulcarver | ok |
| 03:35.30 | soulcarver | I do not see the "smart click" action in the list... |
| 03:35.41 | phoenix7700 | ahh |
| 03:35.42 | phoenix7700 | it's |
| 03:35.49 | phoenix7700 | enable/disable command |
| 03:35.56 | phoenix7700 | then you pick smart click |
| 03:36.04 | phoenix7700 | command type |
| 03:37.01 | soulcarver | ok |
| 03:38.57 | Fenix | when setting the lobby for b.net, is there a way to know how it looks or we are always forced to publish the map, connect to b.net, look at it. If something is wrong you must reconnect into your editor change your setting, publish again, reconnect to b.net and look if it looks better? |
| 03:39.21 | phoenix7700 | probably thats the only way |
| 03:39.27 | phoenix7700 | just make sure you get it right |
| 03:39.30 | Fenix | -_- |
| 03:39.35 | phoenix7700 | so you dont have to do it that many times |
| 03:39.41 | Fenix | that should be optimised |
| 03:39.48 | phoenix7700 | there is a good tutorial |
| 03:39.54 | phoenix7700 | that shows what you change |
| 03:39.57 | phoenix7700 | and where it changes it |
| 03:40.24 | Fenix | well, doing a few time connect and connect make you learn it by yourself xD |
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| 03:40.41 | JoBoDo | ohaii :D |
| 03:41.56 | soulcarver | that worked phoenix thanx much |
| 03:42.32 | soulcarver | why does the "breifing target models" not get appied directly on a unit when attached.... they seem to be .... not on the unit |
| 03:43.24 | soulcarver | they appear to be offset towards the viewers direction |
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| 03:50.13 | TheFrozenMuffin | I'm trying to do a pan camera at game initialization |
| 03:50.18 | TheFrozenMuffin | I'm getting an error on |
| 03:50.55 | TheFrozenMuffin | "Pan the Camera for player (picked player) to (start location of player(picked player)) over 2.0 sec with existing velocity% inital velocity, 10% deceleration, and do not use. |
| 03:51.41 | phoenix7700 | where are you getting picked player from |
| 03:51.41 | TheFrozenMuffin | that is imbedded in "player group - pick each player in (All players) and do (action) |
| 03:51.52 | phoenix7700 | ok |
| 03:52.20 | phoenix7700 | whats the error |
| 03:52.36 | TheFrozenMuffin | could not get point from parameter |
| 03:52.52 | TheFrozenMuffin | I have two starting locations |
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| 03:54.16 | phoenix7700 | hey frozen muffin |
| 03:54.25 | phoenix7700 | instead of using start location of player |
| 03:54.31 | phoenix7700 | use the point you set |
| 03:54.43 | soulcarver | you cant pan at initialization.... because the cameras done exist yet... |
| 03:54.53 | phoenix7700 | yes |
| 03:54.54 | phoenix7700 | you can |
| 03:54.57 | phoenix7700 | i've done it |
| 03:55.09 | soulcarver | well its stupid to do any thing at initialization |
| 03:55.11 | soulcarver | .... |
| 03:55.17 | soulcarver | do its haver .1 seconds of game time.... |
| 03:55.20 | soulcarver | i bet it works |
| 03:55.27 | phoenix7700 | just change (start location of player (player picked)) to the location |
| 03:55.59 | phoenix7700 | no |
| 03:56.17 | phoenix7700 | your locations are under the value tab |
| 03:59.47 | Fenix | phoenix7700, i got a new problem :D My trigger called Unit selected, that have an if then else with Owner of triggering unit = player x then do this and the same thing but for another player, don't execute enough fast on b.bet. When I test my document, everything is instant and perfectly working. On b.net it is working but with a delay. |
| 04:00.33 | Fenix | do you know how to make it execute faster? |
| 04:01.18 | Fenix | someone said that an event only execute 16 times per sec... what i think is not enough actually. |
| 04:01.37 | JoBoDo | i think in sc2 there is only 16 parts to a second |
| 04:01.49 | JoBoDo | its the way its designed |
| 04:01.57 | phoenix7700 | yep |
| 04:02.07 | Fenix | that same person said there was a way to make it something like 32 times per sec |
| 04:02.52 | TheFrozenMuffin | well both ways worked |
| 04:02.52 | Fenix | that loop execute faster than events. |
| 04:03.01 | Fenix | or something like that |
| 04:05.38 | TheFrozenMuffin | new question |
| 04:05.59 | TheFrozenMuffin | I'm using the SS_Battlecruiser (Loki hero bc) |
| 04:06.02 | TheFrozenMuffin | I got it buildable |
| 04:06.12 | TheFrozenMuffin | I got the stats to what I want and everything, works fine |
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| 04:06.33 | TheFrozenMuffin | But it has no armor and weapons upgrades. |
| 04:06.42 | TheFrozenMuffin | How do I add them... |
| 04:07.29 | TheFrozenMuffin | I know I need to put the upgrades on it. |
| 04:07.52 | TheFrozenMuffin | but it does not have a "+ upgrades" on it's tree. |
| 04:07.58 | TheFrozenMuffin | is there a flag I need to do first? |
| 04:08.26 | JoBoDo | hmm |
| 04:08.38 | JoBoDo | im assuming you're not upgrading your battlecruiser though |
| 04:08.40 | Fenix | forget my problem, i founded a solution. |
| 04:08.43 | JoBoDo | you would be upgrading the armor and weapons |
| 04:08.57 | JoBoDo | so the upgrades + would probably be in their section |
| 04:09.37 | TheFrozenMuffin | I have both the SS_Battlecruiser and Battlecruiser. |
| 04:10.14 | TheFrozenMuffin | The battlecruiser has the Armor and Weapons icons under it's name. but the SS_ does not. |
| 04:14.52 | Vailreth | TheFrozenMuffin: you will have to edit the upgrades them selves to include entries for you custom unit |
| 04:17.46 | Vailreth | what i learend that is cool is you can make a train unit ability entry with like 2 or 3 (none) unit entries and then create upgrades that change those (none) entries to units |
| 04:20.54 | TheFrozenMuffin | Do you think... I can make the Raven's Auto Turrets Hover... |
| 04:21.10 | TheFrozenMuffin | So they can be placed over water and such |
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| 04:23.50 | JoBoDo | yes |
| 04:25.24 | soulcarver | is there a way to give a unit an attachment point... even though its model does not have any attachment points? |
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| 04:29.45 | Vailreth | the only way i know of soulcarver is my editing the model... |
| 04:29.53 | soulcarver | oh |
| 04:30.05 | Vailreth | there may be another but thats all i know of |
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| 04:37.28 | Fenix | why are the Test document and the B.net create game resulting into a different map? -_- When doing Test Document to my map, i was able to do control groups with my allies structure. On b.net, i can't. |
| 04:39.05 | Fenix | so, anybody know how to allow control group on allies structure when on b.bet? |
| 04:39.29 | Fenix | i will have to publish it to test it, this is shit -_- |
| 04:39.32 | Vailreth | did you publish the updated map.. |
| 04:39.36 | Vailreth | yeah |
| 04:39.48 | Vailreth | they really need some kind of lan service |
| 04:39.52 | Fenix | i have published the actual version |
| 04:40.17 | Fenix | on b.bet i cant ctrl groups, on test doc i can |
| 04:40.39 | Vailreth | if you want to see changes on the bnet map you have to publish the changed file... |
| 04:41.08 | Vailreth | they do not sync automatically |
| 04:41.09 | Fenix | yup, thats what i was saying, this is shit |
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| 04:42.03 | Vailreth | they seem to think that a great map can be produced in a vaccum with out proper testing with others |
| 04:42.06 | Fenix | everytime you want to publish you must connect, if you connect, it disconnect from the game. then you must reconnect on the game to test it |
| 04:42.09 | Fenix | -_- |
| 04:42.20 | Vailreth | yep |
| 04:42.38 | Fenix | what an annoying thing |
| 04:43.00 | Fenix | so, back to my problem, how can i allow the control groups on allied units? |
| 04:43.20 | Temp142423 | hello, with a WASD movement system, does anyone know, if it causes more lag to move the unit with a Order Unit to Move To, every 0.04 Seconds, or if it causes less lag to Move Unit instantly to a Relative position every 0.04 seconds? |
| 04:43.43 | Temp142423 | and would add animations and eveyrhting with the 2nd way |
| 04:44.51 | Fenix | no idea. In my mind, whats may be wrong, i would think less trigger is better. xD |
| 04:45.11 | Temp142423 | because that is 1500 apm per unit |
| 04:45.19 | Temp142423 | with the order command |
| 04:45.32 | Fenix | lol... |
| 04:45.32 | Temp142423 | 1500 apm |
| 04:45.36 | JoBoDo | hey, I keep crashing on sc2 and need to reinstall/redownload |
| 04:45.38 | Temp142423 | per player then |
| 04:45.44 | JoBoDo | how can i make sure I dont lose my map files? |
| 04:45.50 | JoBoDo | where are they stored |
| 04:45.53 | Fenix | by doing a backup xD |
| 04:45.59 | Fenix | idk where they are |
| 04:46.06 | Fenix | i would keep them too if i could |
| 04:46.18 | soulcarver | if you cant figure out where you maps are you need to try harder... |
| 04:46.28 | soulcarver | try doing a file search in windows.... jesus |
| 04:46.30 | Fenix | just take a look where are stored the replay... far far in your documents |
| 04:46.33 | Fenix | 0)0 |
| 04:46.38 | Fenix | -_- |
| 04:46.50 | JoBoDo | lol |
| 04:46.54 | Fenix | then now think where are the maps files |
| 04:46.54 | JoBoDo | i found them already soulcarver :p |
| 04:47.08 | soulcarver | can anybody suggest a model that could be used as an asteroid that has attachment points |
| 04:47.08 | JoBoDo | I just thought I would ask on here if there was any extra stuf i needed to save |
| 04:47.10 | Temp142423 | map files are in the cache |
| 04:47.10 | JoBoDo | aside from the maps |
| 04:47.20 | JoBoDo | any dependencies they use that might have saved somewhere else: p |
| 04:47.23 | soulcarver | nope no extra stuff |
| 04:47.26 | JoBoDo | kk |
| 04:47.36 | soulcarver | unless you have files your importing |
| 04:47.40 | soulcarver | you should back those up as well |
| 04:47.57 | Fenix | so, what about my control group? |
| 04:47.57 | JoBoDo | mmm kkkk |
| 04:47.58 | JoBoDo | ty |
| 04:48.10 | Fenix | anyone got an idea? |
| 04:48.20 | Temp142423 | mines in Users/Name/Appdata/Blizzard Entertainment/Cache |
| 04:48.23 | Temp142423 | or somthing liek that |
| 04:49.39 | Temp142423 | 14 players Using WASD Movement = 21000 APM |
| 04:50.01 | Fenix | anyone know why on b.net we are not allowed to do control groups to allies units? |
| 04:50.09 | Temp142423 | thats 350 actions per second |
| 04:50.43 | Fenix | well temp, this is only for moving. |
| 04:50.50 | Fenix | what about ability n fire? |
| 04:50.50 | Fenix | xD |
| 04:51.04 | Temp142423 | i know |
| 04:51.53 | Fenix | ok, well. Enough for today I'll find out my control problem tomorrow ;) |
| 04:51.57 | Fenix | good night all |
| 04:52.00 | Temp142423 | cya |
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| 04:52.26 | Temp142423 | i wonder how much lag is actually caused by the Mouse and Keyboard Events alone |
| 04:52.39 | Caz | i would assume very little |
| 04:54.57 | Temp142423 | well do u know how events work? |
| 04:55.01 | Temp142423 | exactly? |
| 04:55.17 | Temp142423 | like why does an event like that cause lag, what is cauing lag |
| 04:55.42 | Temp142423 | oh nvm |
| 04:55.47 | soulcarver | because the game servers have to send stuff to all the players |
| 04:55.51 | soulcarver | that generates lag... |
| 04:56.05 | soulcarver | every action the game handles is sent to every player generally |
| 04:56.33 | Temp142423 | so what causes all the lag in third person shooters? |
| 04:56.50 | Temp142423 | is it the mouse clicking, the key pressing, the movement system? |
| 04:57.14 | soulcarver | in third person |
| 04:57.15 | soulcarver | its |
| 04:57.21 | soulcarver | the games response to user clicks |
| 04:57.35 | soulcarver | i click... game sends message to gamer server.... server does stuff sends info back |
| 04:57.49 | soulcarver | so you end up with bad click responds |
| 04:57.54 | soulcarver | when .2 seconds matter |
| 04:58.05 | soulcarver | i click jump..... one second goes by till i jump.... |
| 04:58.15 | soulcarver | not really that bad but yeah |
| 04:58.23 | Temp142423 | so theres no way to improove that |
| 04:58.27 | soulcarver | nope |
| 04:58.32 | Temp142423 | if you have mouse clicks and keyboard keys as well |
| 04:58.46 | soulcarver | all UI interaction has this |
| 04:59.16 | soulcarver | it doesnt matter if you dont mind there being slight delays |
| 04:59.23 | Temp142423 | they had arrow key events in warcraft 3 |
| 04:59.27 | soulcarver | yeah |
| 04:59.35 | soulcarver | wc3 didnt have centralized servers either |
| 04:59.41 | soulcarver | hosting was client side |
| 05:00.15 | Temp142423 | yeah if only we had that damn delay reducer tool |
| 05:00.15 | Caz | lag is entirely data transfer rate |
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| 05:00.35 | Temp142423 | and with 14 players it clogs up the tubes? |
| 05:00.44 | soulcarver | doesnt matter if its 1 or 14 |
| 05:01.08 | Temp142423 | ? |
| 05:01.12 | soulcarver | ? |
| 05:01.23 | soulcarver | its the data transfer rate between players and bnet servers |
| 05:01.29 | soulcarver | that causes the problem |
| 05:01.41 | soulcarver | or the way bnet handles ui events on thier end |
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| 05:02.06 | Temp142423 | 14 players would still clog up teh tubes tho |
| 05:02.07 | soulcarver | regardless nothing can be done about it |
| 05:02.13 | soulcarver | its not clog |
| 05:02.15 | Temp142423 | ;p |
| 05:02.16 | soulcarver | its just delay |
| 05:02.17 | soulcarver | .... |
| 05:02.25 | soulcarver | doesnt matter how many players are there |
| 05:02.39 | Temp142423 | i know im saying more players = more delay |
| 05:02.43 | soulcarver | not really |
| 05:02.43 | Temp142423 | more game stuff |
| 05:03.32 | Temp142423 | or the way your talking, your ignoring the players all together and just saying, every action in the map |
| 05:04.05 | Temp142423 | im jus being stupid and saying, well 14 players will turn my 1500 apm trigger into a 21000 apm trigger |
| 05:04.58 | soulcarver | what im saying is that |
| 05:05.03 | soulcarver | even in first player |
| 05:05.09 | soulcarver | you have to send a message to bnet |
| 05:05.10 | soulcarver | and then |
| 05:05.16 | soulcarver | bnet sends your client a message |
| 05:05.23 | soulcarver | before the action you did happens |
| 05:05.28 | soulcarver | this is delay or lag |
| 05:05.46 | soulcarver | its not immediate |
| 05:05.58 | soulcarver | normal FPS games are done in a completely different manner |
| 05:06.12 | soulcarver | but bnet does this to verify that players are not cheating |
| 05:06.34 | Temp142423 | yeah but games with more data causes more delay |
| 05:06.41 | Temp142423 | right |
| 05:06.42 | soulcarver | ok listen |
| 05:06.46 | soulcarver | its not about the data |
| 05:06.49 | soulcarver | its about response time |
| 05:06.53 | soulcarver | to a single click |
| 05:07.00 | soulcarver | and a single action you do after the click |
| 05:07.06 | soulcarver | more data is irrelevant |
| 05:07.10 | Frostwind | hi............... |
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| 05:10.31 | Temp142423 | bnet games also sync you with every other player right? |
| 05:10.52 | soulcarver | has nothing to do with syncing |
| 05:10.58 | soulcarver | why are you asking |
| 05:11.03 | soulcarver | did you make something that doesnt work online? |
| 05:11.11 | Temp142423 | because i have a nice shooter im making |
| 05:11.21 | Temp142423 | it works good |
| 05:11.23 | soulcarver | well your response times are going to suffer |
| 05:11.31 | Temp142423 | but i want to learn/optimise as much as i can |
| 05:11.31 | soulcarver | do you have it online yet? |
| 05:12.58 | Temp142423 | il put it on right now if u wanna talk inside it |
| 05:13.00 | Temp142423 | ;p |
| 05:13.08 | Temp142423 | and so i can test the delay at this point |
| 05:16.47 | Temp142423 | wanna test it soulcarver |
| 05:17.35 | Temp142423 | iv only been working on it for a week, but it is worth checking out, Join the game SOCOM |
| 05:17.37 | Temp142423 | if u want |
| 05:17.52 | soulcarver | are you on us? |
| 05:18.33 | Temp142423 | yes |
| 05:20.40 | Temp142423 | im Tempest.150 |
| 05:20.49 | Temp142423 | if i need to invite u |
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| 05:39.27 | Mephs | ~soulcarver |
| 05:39.27 | purl | i guess soulcarver is a fine pedophile |
| 05:43.44 | Temp142423 | why do i recognise your name Mephs |
| 05:43.53 | Temp142423 | did you make smashcraft |
| 05:44.03 | Temp142423 | first thng that came to ming >> |
| 05:44.07 | Temp142423 | mind |
| 05:44.18 | JademusSreg | Bingo. |
| 05:44.30 | Temp142423 | hey jade |
| 05:44.32 | Temp142423 | its Tempest |
| 05:44.35 | JademusSreg | Hi. |
| 05:47.38 | Temp142423 | soul was going to show me a map and he disapered |
| 05:48.09 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
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| 05:54.14 | pirate | hello friends |
| 05:54.28 | JademusSreg | Hi. |
| 05:54.46 | TheFrozenMuffin | hey |
| 05:54.59 | TheFrozenMuffin | Whats the problem when my ship won't attack |
| 05:55.11 | TheFrozenMuffin | Even when I manual push the button and click |
| 05:55.17 | pirate | anyone here competent in galaxy and could tell me how you normally do "For each int X from 1 to 10 do...." |
| 05:56.17 | pirate | im not entirely understanding the syntax given by F11 |
| 05:56.58 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 05:57.54 | JademusSreg | int i = 1; while (i<11) { DoStuff(); i+=1;} |
| 05:58.37 | pirate | theres all "&&" and "||" and "break" and I feel like theres an easier way |
| 05:58.38 | pirate | ah |
| 05:58.44 | pirate | hero |
| 06:00.55 | Temp142423 | thats coo |
| 06:01.16 | Lilianna | Lies! |
| 06:01.20 | Temp142423 | this is like my 3rd time here, and the only games iv actually liked on Bnet are Photon Cycles and Smashcraft |
| 06:02.22 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 06:02.30 | Temp142423 | have u even updated that map yet |
| 06:02.35 | Temp142423 | ;p |
| 06:02.40 | JademusSreg | Nope. I went on vacation. |
| 06:02.49 | Temp142423 | how long... |
| 06:02.54 | Temp142423 | u left the same time i did.. |
| 06:03.04 | Temp142423 | remember, "going to alaska" |
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| 06:03.34 | Frostwind | so............... |
| 06:03.47 | Lilianna | Lemons! |
| 06:03.50 | Lilianna | And too many periods |
| 06:04.02 | Frostwind | so......................................................................................... |
| 06:04.07 | Frostwind | that better? |
| 06:05.12 | RazielZ | cout<<"so"; for (int i=0; i<9001; i++) { cout<<"."; } |
| 06:05.14 | RazielZ | Dat betturr? |
| 06:05.24 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 06:05.36 | Lilianna | gross cout! |
| 06:05.42 | RazielZ | <.< |
| 06:05.49 | JademusSreg | If this were not galaxy, sure. |
| 06:05.51 | Lilianna | use something better then that for output |
| 06:06.00 | RazielZ | fine then |
| 06:06.10 | RazielZ | But I ain't writing my SDL-OpenGL font manager code here ._. |
| 06:06.18 | Lilianna | lol |
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| 06:07.28 | RazielZ | Hmm. |
| 06:08.01 | TheFrozenMuffin | Where do you change the cost of the upgrades for terran ship |
| 06:08.17 | JademusSreg | In the upgrade data. |
| 06:08.18 | Lilianna | In Data! I dont remember where |
| 06:08.27 | Lilianna | I havent touched editor in months :o |
| 06:08.27 | JademusSreg | Or the research ability data. |
| 06:09.33 | TheFrozenMuffin | I got it |
| 06:09.35 | TheFrozenMuffin | weird |
| 06:09.43 | TheFrozenMuffin | why do units have costs in cost tab |
| 06:09.52 | TheFrozenMuffin | but upgrades are contained in the object value |
| 06:10.15 | TheFrozenMuffin | which if you have a value there with a unit it adds to the cost tab to create a combined cost... |
| 06:10.18 | TheFrozenMuffin | weird... |
| 06:13.37 | Frostwind | moo |
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| 06:22.20 | Frostwind | oink |
| 06:30.59 | pirate | how come struct UI |
| 06:31.01 | pirate | er |
| 06:31.02 | pirate | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:31.08 | pirate | is giving me error |
| 06:31.56 | RazielZ | Weeeeell |
| 06:32.16 | RazielZ | http://www.cplusplus.com/doc/tutorial/arrays/ |
| 06:32.22 | RazielZ | owait. |
| 06:33.06 | pirate | the first line, "struct UI{" |
| 06:33.09 | pirate | is highlighted |
| 06:33.20 | RazielZ | hmm |
| 06:33.22 | Deaod | try another (longer) name |
| 06:33.54 | RazielZ | yeah, that could work! |
| 06:33.56 | RazielZ | <.< |
| 06:34.01 | Deaod | shhhh |
| 06:34.23 | RazielZ | ._. |
| 06:34.41 | Deaod | you go try struct s{int f;} |
| 06:34.53 | Deaod | in a map with other custom script code |
| 06:35.16 | pirate | hmmm, you can't put structs into custom script actions can you |
| 06:35.29 | Deaod | huh? |
| 06:35.31 | RazielZ | uuuh |
| 06:35.40 | RazielZ | forgot pretty much everything about the editor. |
| 06:35.41 | RazielZ | derp. |
| 06:35.52 | pirate | its my first real day at trying galaxy |
| 06:36.08 | pirate | :/ |
| 06:36.34 | Deaod | i assume custom script actions are part of GUI "functions" |
| 06:36.44 | Deaod | if so, then no |
| 06:37.16 | Deaod | well, you cant declare it there anyway |
| 06:37.31 | pirate | gotcha |
| 06:38.02 | Deaod | however, there are custom script sections. |
| 06:38.16 | Deaod | and those can contain any valid galaxy code |
| 06:40.12 | pirate | how do normal people who write maps mostly in galaxy actually apply galaxy to the map |
| 06:40.21 | pirate | because the big tutorial is a year old |
| 06:40.39 | pirate | and says to import it |
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| 06:55.42 | Frostwind | Moo |
| 06:56.36 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 06:57.04 | JademusSreg | You can import and include, you can use the SC2Components method, or you can write custom script sections in the trigger editor. |
| 06:57.30 | JademusSreg | The first one amounts to the second method, but the second method is more convenient, by far. |
| 06:57.40 | JademusSreg | Anyway, sleep time. |
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| 07:02.47 | Frostwind_ | moo |
| 07:04.45 | soulcarver | does anybody know how to make units change thier opacity when the camera is a certain distance from them for a player? |
| 07:06.52 | soulcarver | ? |
| 07:15.14 | Currydevil | so like zoom in and see through the units right in front of you? |
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| 07:21.13 | soulcarver | yes curry |
| 07:21.17 | soulcarver | do you know how to set that? |
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| 07:33.59 | Frostwind | moo |
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| 07:37.40 | SnooK | hi Frostwind could you help with a newbie question please? |
| 07:37.59 | Frostwind | depends, can you model? |
| 07:38.11 | SnooK | no sorry |
| 07:38.41 | SnooK | its just about animations but i cant find the answer on the net |
| 07:39.37 | Frostwind | I'm needing 2 animations combined |
| 07:39.44 | SnooK | im using a custom model, it has a run animation, but when the unit is on the map it just seems to walk |
| 07:40.49 | Frostwind | I'm not in a helping mood since I can't work on my project thanks to this animation problem I'm having. |
| 07:41.01 | SnooK | ok no probs |
| 07:42.08 | Frostwind | :( |
| 07:46.37 | Currydevil | Oh sorry soul, no I don't but i imagine you could trigger it somehow. |
| 07:46.50 | Currydevil | just have to run a check on the distance the camera is from target unit |
| 07:46.56 | Frostwind | soulcarver left |
| 07:47.12 | phoenix7700 | ya |
| 07:47.29 | phoenix7700 | pretty sure there is an option for opacity in events |
| 07:47.33 | phoenix7700 | just gotta pick the right one |
| 07:47.43 | phoenix7700 | event to trigger it that is |
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| 07:52.12 | Frostwind | moo |
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| 08:39.33 | Temp142423 | hey |
| 08:39.38 | Temp142423 | im trying to make a custom UI |
| 08:40.09 | Temp142423 | i mean im trying to hide everything except the Command Card, and I wanna ask wtf is this thing on the right side of the screen |
| 08:40.11 | Temp142423 | http://i.imgur.com/72rX2.jpg |
| 08:40.24 | Temp142423 | I dont know what it is and i cant get it to go away |
| 08:41.40 | Temp142423 | its part of the default UI |
| 08:41.59 | Temp142423 | it looks like a timer |
| 08:42.05 | Temp142423 | but it wont go awayy |
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| 08:48.15 | Temp142423 | ok nvm its the bnet friend UI |
| 08:55.42 | Temp142423 | ok nvm i still dont know what that is |
| 08:55.53 | Temp142423 | how to remove little box on right side of screen |
| 08:55.53 | Temp142423 | http://i.imgur.com/72rX2.jpg |
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| 09:06.38 | SentryIII | roars. |
| 09:09.39 | Jum-Jum | it is the b.net friend thing Temp142423 |
| 09:09.41 | Jum-Jum | dont know how to remove it tho |
| 09:11.53 | Temp142423 | when you move the command card, the friend thing doesnt even sit in it, and u can actually move the friend thing with triggers |
| 09:12.08 | Temp142423 | but i dont know anything about that little image behind it |
| 09:12.51 | Temp142423 | seems to be on everyones custom UI |
| 09:15.38 | Statharas | SentryIII do i download the program or something? |
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| 09:33.08 | Mexa|Tee | Temp142423> you can move the position with a trigger function |
| 09:33.27 | Mexa|Tee | If you haven't got any reply on that |
| 09:34.50 | Deaod | great, Blizzard knows about a single editor issue |
| 09:35.03 | Currydevil | oh oh which one is that??? |
| 09:35.10 | Deaod | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/2869126914 |
| 09:35.16 | Deaod | there |
| 09:35.21 | Deaod | the rest, well |
| 09:35.31 | Deaod | they apparently forgot about those |
| 09:36.38 | Currydevil | hah |
| 09:37.52 | Temp142423 | any idea if you can make the minimap (appear) round |
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| 09:51.29 | Currydevil | Alright, I have a question for a validator. |
| 09:51.43 | Currydevil | Trying to make one to check the cargo of a bunker/unit |
| 09:52.08 | Currydevil | with a unit inside the bunker/unit the transport unit can move. |
| 09:52.16 | Currydevil | without a unit inside, the transport cannot move. |
| 09:52.31 | Currydevil | how do I make the validator to check for the unit inside? |
| 09:52.51 | Currydevil | I would assume it's the unit compare cargo type, but i'm not sure how to set it. |
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| 10:00.22 | pirate | is the proper way to make struct arrays: struct[5] MahStruct{ .... }; ? |
| 10:00.40 | pirate | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand, can I put structs in structs? |
| 10:02.23 | Deaod | no to both |
| 10:02.56 | Deaod | struct MahStruct { ... }; MahStruct[5] mahStructArray; |
| 10:03.43 | pirate | this makes me sad |
| 10:04.03 | Deaod | struct ChildStruct { ... }; struct ParentStruct {ChildStruct child; ... }; |
| 10:04.28 | Deaod | you can also declare arrays in structs |
| 10:04.40 | pirate | right |
| 10:05.03 | pirate | ty |
| 10:06.37 | Agouti | err |
| 10:06.52 | Agouti | since when can an ability of Effect - Target not be autocast? |
| 10:06.57 | Agouti | O_o |
| 10:07.23 | Agouti | or more accurately |
| 10:07.31 | Agouti | why does enabling autocast on this one break it |
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| 10:13.03 | Currydevil | dunno lol. |
| 10:13.10 | Currydevil | now i have a pilotable goliath. |
| 10:13.12 | Currydevil | yay! |
| 10:18.38 | Currydevil | Hummm, how do I use the calldown effect? Lol. that is the right effect to have a terran drop pod deliver units yes? |
| 10:20.56 | Mexa|Tee | hm |
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| 10:38.24 | Currydevil | bah, why is there not a "none" option for requirements on the command field of an ability... I can't take off the requirement =( |
| 10:38.45 | Currydevil | and just ignore my rant. |
| 10:38.49 | Currydevil | I'm blind ... and tired. |
| 10:43.27 | Agouti | you and me both curry |
| 10:46.17 | Currydevil | heh, well.. i tried removing unnecessary part of the effect chain from calldown mule, and it seems having the persistent/timed life/issue order (which are all irrelevant to my ability) make it work somehow, which I am missing lol |
| 10:46.33 | Currydevil | and i just called an effect from itself ... lol, and got 10 units to spawn at once. |
| 10:47.29 | Agouti | it shouldn't need any of those |
| 10:47.42 | Currydevil | well that's just it, I don't need those. |
| 10:48.06 | Currydevil | What i have so far is the ability, and the create unit effect with the creation options birth, drop off etc |
| 10:48.27 | Currydevil | but if i remove the calldown mule set from the effect - spawn on the create unit, it doesn't play the drop pod |
| 10:48.32 | Currydevil | just creates my unit |
| 10:48.53 | Agouti | the actor creation is probably linked to the calldown effect... |
| 10:48.55 | Currydevil | but if i leave the set on the spawn effect, it does the drop pod, but i get no unit. |
| 10:49.55 | Agouti | have you looked at the actor? |
| 10:50.04 | Currydevil | looking now. |
| 10:50.16 | Agouti | not the mule actor |
| 10:50.18 | Agouti | the droppod |
| 10:55.26 | Currydevil | alright, that works now. |
| 10:55.34 | Currydevil | cool. summonable-pilotable goliath. |
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| 10:59.07 | Currydevil | Ahaha, nice, now it looks like it's "powered down" when the pilot is not inside. |
| 10:59.10 | Currydevil | this is sweet :) |
| 11:10.17 | Agouti | nicely done :) |
| 11:11.02 | Agouti | curry, why can't I have an attack ability with scan filters set to allied |
| 11:11.04 | Agouti | that works? |
| 11:11.44 | Currydevil | what is the ability supposed to do? |
| 11:14.07 | Currydevil | i dunno, is it not acquiring a target if you set it to ally? |
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| 11:16.36 | Agouti | It's a healing tower |
| 11:16.42 | Agouti | uses a weapon for the actual heal |
| 11:17.00 | Agouti | so obvious thing to do is give it an attack ability with the scan filters set up to acquire friendlies |
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| 11:18.30 | Currydevil | oo |
| 11:18.32 | Currydevil | I see. |
| 11:18.36 | Agouti | but |
| 11:18.38 | Agouti | it don't work |
| 11:18.40 | Agouti | :< |
| 11:18.50 | Currydevil | well... I dunno, normally I would make it a search area with a healing buff and make a beam actor =( |
| 11:19.12 | Currydevil | but that's me |
| 11:19.18 | Agouti | for turrets |
| 11:19.21 | Agouti | you HAVE to use a weapon |
| 11:19.41 | Currydevil | well ... does it have to be a turret? |
| 11:19.44 | Agouti | that's ok, I can just go via an autocast set to order attack |
| 11:19.47 | Agouti | yes. |
| 11:19.50 | Currydevil | ok |
| 11:20.05 | Agouti | it's just yet another thing that wasn't implemented |
| 11:20.05 | Agouti | zz |
| 11:20.11 | Currydevil | ah |
| 11:20.30 | Currydevil | why does it have to be a turret? if you don't mind me asking. i'm kind of curious now |
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| 11:25.42 | Agouti | cos of the model |
| 11:25.48 | Agouti | virophage |
| 11:25.56 | Agouti | also |
| 11:25.58 | Agouti | this is retarded |
| 11:26.13 | Agouti | It will not let me have ability - effect target |
| 11:26.33 | Agouti | with the effect as Issue Order |
| 11:26.41 | Agouti | Target: target unit |
| 11:27.34 | Agouti | stupid thing |
| 11:27.36 | Agouti | oh well |
| 11:27.47 | Agouti | going via a create persitant solved it |
| 11:27.54 | Agouti | yay, bug! |
| 11:28.26 | Currydevil | yay |
| 11:30.05 | Currydevil | yay bedtime. more work tomorrow, probably start working on items since heroes have a base for abilities. |
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| 12:00.14 | Mexa|Tee | hurrdurrderpherp |
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| 12:07.02 | Clord | lol |
| 12:09.39 | Nash|327 | Mexaherp |
| 12:09.54 | Nash|327 | The herpiest herp around! |
| 12:10.30 | Nash|327 | Ho-hum, I need sleep. |
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| 13:25.32 | azk | oh sweet |
| 13:25.46 | azk | been loking for a place like this |
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| 13:31.00 | Clord | double, triple, quad... what comes after that if any? XD |
| 13:31.06 | Clord | lol |
| 13:31.30 | Jum-Jum | penta |
| 13:33.02 | azk | hexa |
| 13:33.06 | azk | septa |
| 13:33.08 | azk | octa |
| 13:33.48 | azk | hepta* |
| 13:34.03 | azk | then comes nona and deca |
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| 13:38.37 | Clord | it seems that game makers etc pretty much ignore anything past trple or quad |
| 13:38.46 | Clord | and use some other term as they know most would not get them XD |
| 13:40.57 | azk | Well, dotahonlol has pentakill :) |
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| 14:18.37 | SBeier | o/ |
| 14:19.11 | Mexa|Tee | \o |
| 14:19.21 | Mexa|Tee | Hey you, Beier! |
| 14:19.34 | SBeier | Hello Mexa! |
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| 14:19.57 | Mexa|Tee | SBeier, I had this idea, and I thought I should discuss it with you |
| 14:20.05 | SBeier | Okay |
| 14:20.21 | Mexa|Tee | Any chance you are considering to change language or widget framework for your galaxy++ app? |
| 14:20.37 | Mexa|Tee | language as in, not C# :P |
| 14:21.00 | Mexa|Tee | and widget framework, as in, not windows forms. |
| 14:21.18 | SBeier | I haven't really considered it, now |
| 14:21.22 | SBeier | that would be a lot of work |
| 14:21.27 | Mexa|Tee | It could indeed |
| 14:21.43 | SBeier | why? U wanna use it on linux? |
| 14:21.48 | Mexa|Tee | Nah, it's not that |
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| 14:22.13 | Mexa|Tee | I had this crazy idea to ask you if you wanted to integrate it with my dialog toolkit later, or vice versa |
| 14:22.35 | slightlyrandom | Sure! |
| 14:22.48 | Mexa|Tee | Problem being from my part there is that windows forms are shit when it comes to graphics rendering |
| 14:22.51 | SBeier | thats slightly random.. |
| 14:22.56 | Mexa|Tee | Why:P? |
| 14:23.02 | SBeier | that sure! |
| 14:23.39 | SBeier | nvm.. sec - I need to check out your tool |
| 14:23.47 | Mexa|Tee | It's not anywhere |
| 14:24.00 | Mexa|Tee | I'm not done |
| 14:24.00 | Mexa|Tee | lo |
| 14:24.18 | SBeier | okay |
| 14:24.39 | Mexa|Tee | You can see an old build if you want, where it demonstrates the lag issues on forms :| |
| 14:24.39 | SBeier | so, your making a tool to make dialogs in windows forms, and outputting code? |
| 14:24.46 | Mexa|Tee | Not in windows forms |
| 14:25.04 | Mexa|Tee | Windows forms uses GDI+ which is software rendered images |
| 14:25.06 | Mexa|Tee | Slow as fuck |
| 14:25.10 | SBeier | in game then? |
| 14:25.35 | SBeier | you could use xna to use the graphics cart for the rendering |
| 14:25.35 | Mexa|Tee | Well, I am using SFML and Qt to provide the toolkit as it is now |
| 14:25.40 | Mexa|Tee | I could |
| 14:25.43 | Mexa|Tee | I know |
| 14:25.52 | Mexa|Tee | I've been looking around on different options |
| 14:26.47 | Mexa|Tee | But yes, I am making a tool which gives you wysiwyg for designing dialogs and dialog items |
| 14:26.52 | Mexa|Tee | And it outputs code |
| 14:26.56 | Mexa|Tee | indeed. |
| 14:27.18 | azk | Me and my friend are trying to work on the same map file, yet when he sends me his file, his triggers/actions/functions are missing |
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| 14:28.17 | Mexa|Tee | Sbeiber, so yeah, just a random idea, you can think about it or leave it right now :> |
| 14:28.32 | Mexa|Tee | I can come back when I actually have something to show |
| 14:29.12 | Mexa|Tee | fuck |
| 14:29.15 | SBeier | well, tbh - for me to change to an entire diffrent language would be extremely time consuming |
| 14:29.15 | Mexa|Tee | SBeier |
| 14:29.18 | Mexa|Tee | my bad |
| 14:29.19 | Mexa|Tee | :D |
| 14:29.21 | SBeier | its really not viable |
| 14:29.31 | Mexa|Tee | I understand that |
| 14:30.09 | Mexa|Tee | Alternatively, I could see if I can get SFML properly integrated with windows forms. |
| 14:30.28 | Mexa|Tee | (it can also load DDS textures directly from the memory, see) |
| 14:31.34 | Mexa|Tee | SBeier, you know otherwise though, that windows forms is discontinued and obsolete :7 |
| 14:31.46 | Mexa|Tee | Very easy to start with tho. |
| 14:32.25 | SBeier | got about 78000 lines worth of code.. doing changes that affect most of it.. well |
| 14:33.02 | SBeier | why would they discontinue windows forms? |
| 14:33.37 | Mexa|Tee | Because it is obsolete |
| 14:33.50 | Mexa|Tee | WPF is a replacement afaIk. |
| 14:34.12 | Mexa|Tee | (windows presentation foundation) |
| 14:34.51 | Mexa|Tee | Looking at their msdna, their main page isn't really telling you that forms exists |
| 14:35.03 | Mexa|Tee | As they are promoting WPF instead |
| 14:35.44 | Mexa|Tee | And somewhat categorized as legacy |
| 14:36.23 | Mexa|Tee | Also, windows forms are much slower at windows 7 due to their graphics software rendering and non-directx support. |
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| 14:36.48 | Mexa|Tee | And since vista and windows 7, GDI+ is slower and not recommended |
| 14:36.59 | SBeier | okay |
| 14:37.05 | Mexa|Tee | That's all :3 |
| 14:37.06 | Vailreth | hello folks |
| 14:37.44 | Mexa|Tee | SBeier, I'll come back to you though, I think I got the graphics rendering fully functional now with SFML |
| 14:37.49 | Mexa|Tee | :D |
| 14:38.02 | Mexa|Tee | (and with forms) |
| 14:38.26 | Mexa|Tee | Point being, if it manages to integrate properly, would you be interested in the merge? |
| 14:38.27 | SBeier | Well, even then.. Im not sure how it would be integrated without feeling forced or out of place |
| 14:38.33 | Mexa|Tee | hm |
| 14:38.56 | Mexa|Tee | I guess it could look forced |
| 14:39.26 | Mexa|Tee | But dialog designing and the programming do belong together |
| 14:39.32 | SBeier | Im thinking that it might be better to just copy the script between the apps |
| 14:39.52 | Mexa|Tee | Could be, could be |
| 14:40.08 | Mexa|Tee | Tho, I usually find copypasting myself tideous:P |
| 14:40.55 | Mexa|Tee | SBeier, another drawback would be, that they will most likely not be able to be used at once |
| 14:41.14 | Mexa|Tee | If I suspect right, which is that you are opening mpqarchives |
| 14:41.24 | Mexa|Tee | yes? |
| 14:41.50 | SBeier | Well, the script library is precompiled.. but the maps are essintially mpq files |
| 14:42.32 | SBeier | it takes several seconds to load the script from the mpqs, and extract the data from them |
| 14:42.47 | SBeier | so I decided to ship it precompiled |
| 14:43.27 | SBeier | But, I do have a framework to extract stuff from mpq files if that's what you are after |
| 14:43.39 | Mexa|Tee | you mean libmpq for C#? |
| 14:44.03 | SBeier | well, I call strom directly, but yeah something like it |
| 14:44.14 | Mexa|Tee | I am more concerned whether you are opening the archives in readonly or not. |
| 14:44.17 | SBeier | libmpq is a wrapper over strom |
| 14:44.26 | Mexa|Tee | thus included maps, mpqs, archives w/e |
| 14:44.30 | Mexa|Tee | yes, I know |
| 14:44.58 | Mexa|Tee | I also tested it, and from what I know, it will prevent you from accessing an archive since it is in use |
| 14:45.07 | Mexa|Tee | .. once it is opened |
| 14:45.07 | SBeier | hmm. I dont think I specify read only, so no.. but I do need to upload files to maps aswell |
| 14:45.42 | Mexa|Tee | Yes, and thats the issue. There are no readonly option in the libmpq wrapper |
| 14:45.44 | Mexa|Tee | :P |
| 14:46.12 | Mexa|Tee | So essentially it would mean you can only have one tool open at once |
| 14:46.19 | Mexa|Tee | that included, the sc2 editor itself. |
| 14:46.43 | SBeier | well.. I call strom directly.. so I can just specify read only |
| 14:47.01 | Mexa|Tee | You said it was a wrapper |
| 14:47.05 | Mexa|Tee | Storm is written in C++ |
| 14:47.20 | Mexa|Tee | or C |
| 14:47.21 | Mexa|Tee | even |
| 14:47.29 | SBeier | yes.. I import the dll and call it.. for example with unsafe code |
| 14:47.30 | Mexa|Tee | C/C++ anyways. |
| 14:47.56 | Mexa|Tee | hm |
| 14:48.05 | Mexa|Tee | Then why do you need libmpq? |
| 14:48.18 | SBeier | no.. just stormlib.dll |
| 14:48.24 | Mexa|Tee | oooh |
| 14:48.27 | Mexa|Tee | Well nvm then |
| 14:48.28 | Mexa|Tee | lol |
| 14:48.48 | Mexa|Tee | Forget everything I said, pretty much |
| 14:49.10 | SBeier | you can also find it in the program folder of galaxy++ ;) |
| 14:49.19 | Mexa|Tee | yeah I know |
| 14:49.25 | Mexa|Tee | Didn't think actually |
| 14:49.38 | Mexa|Tee | oh mehmehmeh |
| 14:49.49 | SBeier | but I only use it to open maps.. |
| 14:50.01 | Mexa|Tee | Once open, you close it then? |
| 14:50.07 | SBeier | and the normal editor don't keep em open, so read only is not a problem |
| 14:50.22 | SBeier | yeah, ofc I close it when I'm done with it |
| 14:50.26 | Mexa|Tee | readonly is what it should be |
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| 14:50.38 | Mexa|Tee | readwrite will cause conflicts with other applications |
| 14:50.58 | SBeier | well.. not for when I want to upload the script to the map |
| 14:51.20 | Mexa|Tee | Well |
| 14:51.29 | Mexa|Tee | What if your map is opened in the editor |
| 14:51.33 | Mexa|Tee | And you try to do that |
| 14:51.36 | SBeier | the only case where it can be usefull is when I extract a map to a directory |
| 14:51.38 | Mexa|Tee | Access denied, right? |
| 14:51.43 | SBeier | nope |
| 14:51.48 | SBeier | the editor doesnt keep it open |
| 14:52.00 | Mexa|Tee | hmm |
| 14:52.22 | SBeier | or.. hmm.. |
| 14:52.31 | SBeier | actually, scratch that |
| 14:52.40 | Mexa|Tee | I know for a fact that MPQEditor can't even handle that |
| 14:52.50 | SBeier | I first copy the map to a new location, and then open that map in the editor :) |
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| 14:53.15 | Mexa|Tee | ah |
| 14:53.16 | SBeier | its been a while since I wrote that part.. sry |
| 14:54.01 | Mexa|Tee | Hm alrighty then |
| 14:54.06 | Mexa|Tee | Skip that for now |
| 14:54.40 | Mexa|Tee | Anyways, once I get a demo out, would you interested in checking it, and see if it is out of place or not:P? |
| 14:55.56 | SBeier | Well, I don't want to force it on people, so I think it would be more relevant to make a sticky thread of usefull scripting tools or something |
| 14:56.20 | Mexa|Tee | Very well |
| 14:56.42 | Mexa|Tee | Then I guess you can erase our entire conversation as for now then :) |
| 14:56.58 | SBeier | On the other hand.. it might be very cool to be able to double click a button in order to set code for when that button is clicked |
| 14:57.23 | Mexa|Tee | Yes, sort of inspired by events in C# on that part |
| 14:57.32 | Mexa|Tee | and windows forms actually |
| 14:57.55 | SBeier | what if it would be possible to create a new Dialog, like a new file, and then have a it exactly like windows forms are handeled |
| 14:58.41 | SBeier | don't think that would be forced, or out of place |
| 14:59.29 | SBeier | What language are you making it in? |
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| 15:10.31 | Mexa|Tee | SBeier, it was the plan, for or less |
| 15:10.42 | Mexa|Tee | Like the solution explorer in visual studio |
| 15:10.47 | Mexa|Tee | *more |
| 15:10.57 | Mexa|Tee | and a property grid to the right |
| 15:11.16 | SBeier | except, you probably wouldn't be able to detect user modifcations to the design script? |
| 15:11.25 | Mexa|Tee | Language is initially C# right now |
| 15:11.46 | Mexa|Tee | I was lurking around abit in C++ to find an alternative recently, due to the choppy graphics renderer |
| 15:12.03 | Mexa|Tee | But it wont be an issue anymore I think |
| 15:12.07 | Mexa|Tee | C# will be fine |
| 15:12.17 | Mexa|Tee | well |
| 15:12.40 | Mexa|Tee | Probably not, I come with no intellisense and correction atm |
| 15:13.00 | SBeier | okay.. what will u use for the rendering? |
| 15:13.05 | Mexa|Tee | SFML |
| 15:13.23 | Mexa|Tee | 'simple fast media library' |
| 15:13.30 | Mexa|Tee | it had some nice features |
| 15:13.33 | Mexa|Tee | *has |
| 15:13.43 | Mexa|Tee | Works both for C/C++ and C# so |
| 15:13.50 | SBeier | okay |
| 15:14.07 | SBeier | I only used xna, so Im probably not much help with that lib |
| 15:14.08 | Mexa|Tee | What it does is to override a panels 'OnPaintä |
| 15:14.16 | Mexa|Tee | *OnPaint |
| 15:14.33 | SBeier | ah, so it can very easily be integrated with windows forms |
| 15:14.44 | Mexa|Tee | Yeah, likewise, I saw some contraints on XNA, in particular how to load in the texture assets |
| 15:14.56 | Mexa|Tee | Yeah |
| 15:14.59 | Mexa|Tee | :D |
| 15:15.12 | SBeier | you don't need to use the content pipeline in xna.. u can load textures directly from files |
| 15:15.28 | SBeier | but it doesn't matter.. |
| 15:15.29 | Mexa|Tee | You derive a class from a forms panel, and in the same time from a renderingwindow in the SFML library |
| 15:15.47 | Mexa|Tee | SBeier, well, I don't want to load textures directly from files |
| 15:15.49 | Mexa|Tee | Not only |
| 15:16.23 | SBeier | well. would be silly not to have a load from stream or something |
| 15:16.41 | Mexa|Tee | At least, in the final product, it would have been convenient to have a dds texture browser with preexisting wc3 archives |
| 15:16.43 | Mexa|Tee | *sc2 |
| 15:16.50 | Mexa|Tee | Exactly |
| 15:17.12 | Mexa|Tee | a memorystream is more convenient in that matter, instead of ->Save to drive->load from drive |
| 15:17.27 | SBeier | yeah |
| 15:17.34 | Mexa|Tee | And SFML has this too |
| 15:17.38 | Mexa|Tee | and also support for DDS :) |
| 15:17.41 | SBeier | so, anything you need from be at this time? |
| 15:17.51 | Mexa|Tee | hm |
| 15:18.07 | Mexa|Tee | No, I think I could come up with a prototype before I need anything :) |
| 15:18.19 | SBeier | Okay |
| 15:18.36 | Mexa|Tee | I'll ding about it later on |
| 15:18.47 | Mexa|Tee | Once I got something done |
| 15:18.52 | SBeier | sure |
| 15:19.15 | Mexa|Tee | Well, I gtg for the moment |
| 15:19.35 | Mexa|Tee | Seeya later anyways |
| 15:20.25 | SBeier | what's your username on mapster? |
| 15:20.46 | Mexa_ | Mexaprone |
| 15:20.56 | SBeier | k |
| 15:20.59 | Mexa_ | I'm pretty much a lurker |
| 15:21.00 | Mexa_ | lol |
| 15:22.20 | JademusSreg | I awaken. |
| 15:22.40 | JademusSreg | How's galaxy++ going? |
| 15:23.10 | SBeier | havent really made anything new since last update |
| 15:23.30 | Mexa_ | Jademüs! |
| 15:23.35 | SBeier | Im looking at making some introdoction videos |
| 15:23.40 | Mexa_ | Jademüsli |
| 15:24.13 | SBeier | To show GUI coders how much easier it is to code in script |
| 15:24.36 | JademusSreg | Haha, Mexa. <3 |
| 15:25.33 | JademusSreg | I think it is an issue of "preaching to the choir", in that it is unlikely to gain many converts. |
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| 15:26.56 | JademusSreg | People without programming experience are less likely to leave the safe, warm bosom of GUI. |
| 15:26.57 | SBeier | Maybe.. it just seems a bit of a waste that there are so many improvements that make it faster and easier to make the script, and then most modders are still clicking around in the triggering editor.. |
| 15:26.59 | JademusSreg | Hi./ |
| 15:27.39 | SBeier | expicially when the script code and GUI code are almost identical |
| 15:27.49 | JademusSreg | SB, I'd like to point out that scripting didn't mature in wc3 modding community for many years. |
| 15:27.50 | azk | This is news to me |
| 15:28.00 | JademusSreg | SC2 modding community is positively nascent. |
| 15:28.17 | azk | I usually get exasperated using the wysiwyg and give up |
| 15:28.39 | JademusSreg | So it will take time before we get a significant number of scripters. |
| 15:29.22 | JademusSreg | Galaxy can still do things GUI cannot. |
| 15:29.32 | SBeier | mm.. thats limited |
| 15:29.41 | Mexa_ | I wouldn't say GUI triggering is any more wysiwyg than what galaxy coding is. |
| 15:29.53 | Mexa_ | So, you have icons with actions |
| 15:29.55 | Mexa_ | jeeej |
| 15:30.00 | SBeier | I don't think that should be the selling point.. more that it is faster and easier in script |
| 15:30.36 | JademusSreg | Yes, that is true for people with that technical proficiency, in essence, preaching to the choir. |
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| 15:31.05 | JademusSreg | More to the point, one ought to raise awareness that the alternative exists at all. |
| 15:31.11 | SBeier | I tried making a video toturial (not uploaded) where I made some GUI code and the same galaxy code.. the only difference is that in GUI you have Number of players in <group> and in script you have PlayerGroupCount(<group>) |
| 15:32.13 | SBeier | well.. I'm not sure how to raise awarness of it if not with intro videos |
| 15:32.54 | JademusSreg | Speaking of PlayerGroups: http://pastebin.com/wFm9yD3U |
| 15:33.19 | SBeier | ? |
| 15:33.20 | JademusSreg | Compare that to GUI-generated code from a PickEachFuckerInGroup |
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| 15:33.34 | JademusSreg | The natives for handling loops is monstrous. |
| 15:33.48 | JademusSreg | Why anyone would use loop natives is beyond me. |
| 15:33.49 | Mexa_ | SBeier, I know I neat feature you could implement in galaxy++ |
| 15:33.52 | Mexa_ | *a |
| 15:34.04 | SBeier | dialogs? |
| 15:34.09 | Mexa_ | Apart from that:P |
| 15:34.18 | Mexa_ | I meant syntaxwise |
| 15:34.27 | Mexa_ | generic programming |
| 15:34.30 | Mexa_ | Templates |
| 15:34.32 | Mexa_ | :) |
| 15:34.43 | SBeier | like struct<T> str {...} ? |
| 15:34.47 | Mexa_ | yeah |
| 15:34.53 | SBeier | its in the latest 2 versions |
| 15:34.57 | Mexa_ | really? |
| 15:35.01 | SBeier | yep |
| 15:35.01 | Mexa_ | Missed that |
| 15:35.03 | Mexa_ | lol:D |
| 15:35.16 | JademusSreg | How stable is it now? |
| 15:35.26 | SBeier | I use it in my project |
| 15:35.55 | SBeier | it had some problems when it was first released, but the latests patch should have fixed it |
| 15:36.22 | SBeier | atleast I haven't run into any crashes with it after that |
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| 15:36.48 | JademusSreg | And does it perform mpq injection or read/write? |
| 15:37.09 | SBeier | what does that have to do with generics? |
| 15:38.00 | Helral | meow |
| 15:38.02 | JademusSreg | Nothing. I am pursuing a line of inquiry consistent with my interests, such as convenience of use. |
| 15:38.13 | JademusSreg | Not that it is strictly necessary. |
| 15:38.38 | JademusSreg | Having classes by itself accomplishes that. =D |
| 15:38.57 | SBeier | I'm not sure I understand what you'r asking |
| 15:40.13 | JademusSreg | Can it add files to mpqs directly, or read/write script files from mpqs? Or does one necessarily need to import / SC2Components save them into the map? |
| 15:40.30 | JademusSreg | (or mod) |
| 15:42.15 | SBeier | when you compile and run/save the map, it first copies the input map to the output map, or the test folder. Then it opens the map and delets all .galaxy files, the bank list file and some files related to gui triggers.. then it copies the files from the output to the map (and rename the root file to Mapscript.galaxy) |
| 15:43.09 | JademusSreg | Neato. =D |
| 15:43.22 | JademusSreg | Alright. I'll look into using it in my next project. |
| 15:44.47 | JademusSreg | There are a number of projects I had to hold off working on due to the inability of vanilla galaxy to manage complexity sanely with shit like classes. |
| 15:45.58 | SBeier | yeah.. I'm working on a map that is 99% script.. wouldn't dream of making that in pure galaxy |
| 15:50.51 | JademusSreg | Say, for example, I wanted to make a tactical roleplaying game in the vein of Final Fantasy Tactics. Doing that in vanilla galaxy would be hell. |
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| 16:24.36 | Clord | I watched some of age of empires online footage from totalbiscuit and lol XD |
| 16:24.42 | Clord | suddenly I got urge to redeem my key |
| 16:25.12 | Clord | oh I have redeemed it few months ago.. nice XD |
| 16:29.41 | Clord | meh.... comes back august 16 ^^ |
| 16:35.13 | Vailreth | before i start trying to test this later does any one know what the kill bonus does on an attribute? |
| 16:36.38 | JademusSreg | Hahaha. |
| 16:36.49 | JademusSreg | Just saw the mapster frontpage story. |
| 16:37.34 | Vailreth | well folks im out later |
| 16:38.09 | Deaod | the one about only one known issue? |
| 16:38.39 | JademusSreg | Oh noes! GUI triggers aren't working. He's a silly workaround. |
| 16:38.43 | JademusSreg | *Here's |
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| 16:39.56 | Clord | lol |
| 16:39.57 | Clord | it is liker |
| 16:39.59 | Clord | like |
| 16:40.04 | Clord | "we broke this stuff, SORRY!" |
| 16:40.05 | Clord | XD |
| 16:40.35 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 16:42.05 | Deaod | they havent even posted this on EU |
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| 16:47.13 | Ashamed | offically no longer hired by IBM |
| 16:47.21 | Ashamed | or cci i guess |
| 16:48.17 | JademusSreg | Congrats Ash. |
| 16:54.49 | Wiz10011 | The setting melee is multiplayer settings right? |
| 16:54.54 | Wiz10011 | (ladder) |
| 16:55.02 | JademusSreg | Clarify? |
| 16:55.37 | JademusSreg | New maps default to melee. |
| 16:55.47 | Wiz10011 | Have a trigger spawn melee starting units at a point if you belong to a playergroup, it spawns the starting units. But it also has units aren't in multiplayer, like scourge. |
| 16:56.05 | JademusSreg | And? |
| 16:56.13 | Wiz10011 | Do i have to modify the command card for each race? |
| 16:56.19 | Ashamed | wiz anything with any other trigger is no longer melee |
| 16:56.19 | Wiz10011 | I dont want them to have scourge or any of those units from SC1. |
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| 16:56.49 | Ashamed | if you were to play your map as a melee map it would just load sc2 depedencies a believe |
| 16:56.58 | Ashamed | i* |
| 16:57.04 | JademusSreg | Zerg didn't build scourge in the campaign, so even wioth that dependency, it would be a non iossue. |
| 16:57.20 | Ashamed | yeah |
| 16:57.29 | JademusSreg | If you're using the campaign dependency, Terran tech may be an issue, though. |
| 16:57.37 | Ashamed | only time a melee map would spawn anything that is not part of melee is if it was a custom map :) |
| 16:57.48 | Ashamed | jade i dont think is... not if you play it as a melee map.... |
| 16:57.51 | Ashamed | but mby i am wrong |
| 16:57.56 | Wiz10011 | I see, I only ask because i assumed melee= multiplayer settings, (and the trigge says Melee - Create (Race of player (Player 1 from North Cerebrates)) melee starting units for player (Player 1 from North Cerebrates) at North 1" |
| 16:58.10 | Wiz10011 | But protoss can build scout and zerg and make scourge, etc etc etc. |
| 16:58.18 | JademusSreg | Melee-ness is not longer hardcoded like it was in SC1, or a less extent in wc3. |
| 16:58.28 | Wiz10011 | I see. |
| 16:58.40 | Ashamed | oh really jade... |
| 16:58.43 | JademusSreg | Gameplay is entirely defined by the properties of the map, its data and triggers. |
| 16:58.45 | Ashamed | so it would just load it as a custom map no matter what |
| 16:58.51 | JademusSreg | Correct. |
| 16:58.59 | Ashamed | so if you add anything to the map it wont let you play it as melee |
| 16:59.00 | Ashamed | period |
| 16:59.00 | Wiz10011 | So if I want those units gone I got to edit all the command cards correct? |
| 16:59.18 | Ashamed | yep... |
| 16:59.21 | JademusSreg | Well, if you add anything, it will play like melee plus the other shit. |
| 16:59.25 | Ashamed | but your map can't be played as melee |
| 16:59.26 | Ashamed | its custom |
| 16:59.35 | Ashamed | it wont keep a score at all |
| 16:59.49 | Ashamed | you can make it like melee |
| 16:59.58 | Ashamed | but as long as you have custom triggers/data it can't be a melee map :( |
| 17:00.17 | Ashamed | i think that is kinda stupid though jade :( |
| 17:00.20 | Frostwind | moo |
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| 17:00.27 | Ashamed | what if i want to make a custom melee/ map that can be just melee :( |
| 17:00.40 | JademusSreg | Every new map has triggers that allow it play as melee, and data more or less reflects that. Campaign dpendency though makes that problematic. |
| 17:01.02 | Ashamed | jade i am pretty sure they make its impossable if what you are saying is correct |
| 17:01.14 | Ashamed | if you add anything outside of the melee dependancy that map just wont load as a melee map |
| 17:01.28 | JademusSreg | I disagree. |
| 17:01.48 | Ashamed | so if you add a trigger/data you can still load it as melee? |
| 17:01.51 | JademusSreg | See the default melee init triggers, see also the custom maps used in MLG. |
| 17:01.59 | Ashamed | i thought you just said they took this off |
| 17:02.00 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 17:02.03 | JademusSreg | No. |
| 17:02.16 | Ashamed | >< well that is how sc1 was |
| 17:02.21 | JademusSreg | I knowe. |
| 17:02.29 | Frostwind | Moo |
| 17:02.47 | JademusSreg | "Melee-ness is not longer hardcoded like it was in SC1, or a less extent in wc3." |
| 17:02.50 | Ashamed | but the melee map you load can still use the custom triggers? |
| 17:03.06 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 17:03.30 | Ashamed | hmmm i dont think you should be able to change any of teh code for melee.... |
| 17:03.55 | Ashamed | are you sure jade... because my map lobby is fucked up and it still starts as a melee |
| 17:04.00 | Ashamed | but when i get in game its my map still |
| 17:04.47 | JademusSreg | Game Variants by themselves do nothing, except perhaps reorganize Teams. |
| 17:05.00 | JademusSreg | So using a Melee game variant has no actual gameplay effect. |
| 17:05.00 | Ashamed | which are a pain in the ass lol |
| 17:05.14 | JademusSreg | Melee gameplay is defined by the triggers in the map. |
| 17:05.33 | JademusSreg | Make a new map and you will see the trigger used to make a melee game. |
| 17:05.39 | Ashamed | i know jade |
| 17:05.47 | JademusSreg | Wherein lies the confusion? |
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| 17:06.11 | Ashamed | well i thought once the tirggers were taken out / modified like a new trigger added. That it could no longer be melee |
| 17:06.12 | apple4 | How do i remove/edit selection circles |
| 17:06.28 | Frostwind | moo |
| 17:06.29 | Ashamed | not saying you couldn't make it like melee.. but it cant be ranked as melee or be played as a melee game |
| 17:06.34 | JademusSreg | Apple, you can make them small by modifying some radius value or another. |
| 17:06.35 | Ashamed | that it has to be a CUSTOM GAME at that point |
| 17:06.45 | apple4 | how do i remove them tho |
| 17:07.06 | JademusSreg | Ash, well, that's so obvious a statement that it doesn't require explanation. |
| 17:07.24 | JademusSreg | Apple, replace the texture with one completely alphaed out. |
| 17:07.28 | Frostwind | I know how to remove/edit selection circles. |
| 17:07.34 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 17:07.46 | Frostwind | Selection circles don't use textures |
| 17:08.01 | JademusSreg | Don't be daft. |
| 17:08.02 | Ashamed | that is all i was saying jade >< |
| 17:08.57 | Frostwind | :( |
| 17:09.06 | JademusSreg | Frosty, unless they are drawing it dynamically from some vector or overly elaborate model, it must be a texture. |
| 17:09.22 | apple4 | oh i found it in Game UI |
| 17:09.24 | Frostwind | it is using a vector UI |
| 17:09.34 | Frostwind | comes from an actor |
| 17:10.14 | Frostwind | all unit selection is from an actor |
| 17:10.21 | JademusSreg | Ash, haha. |
| 17:10.36 | apple4 | how do you hide it completely on the actor then? |
| 17:10.43 | apple4 | setting the radius to 0 doesnt hide it |
| 17:10.49 | JademusSreg | Kill the wabbit. |
| 17:10.59 | Frostwind | edit the events of the selection actor |
| 17:11.16 | apple4 | im not to swave with the data editor yet ;p |
| 17:11.29 | Frostwind | remove the events that detect selection |
| 17:12.31 | Frostwind | under Actors search for GroundLocalSelection |
| 17:12.51 | JademusSreg | Cool stuff. |
| 17:13.21 | JademusSreg | I didn't know these were here. |
| 17:13.26 | JademusSreg | has been educated. |
| 17:13.38 | Frostwind | under that actor's actor events delete both SelectionLocalUpdate events |
| 17:14.12 | JademusSreg | If you want selection circles to be selective, you could add terms, too. =D |
| 17:14.15 | Frostwind | now guys, see how EASY it is to help someone |
| 17:14.27 | Frostwind | yet no one will help me |
| 17:14.33 | JademusSreg | Go bug modelers. |
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| 17:15.12 | JademusSreg | There are maybe 5 modelers that frequent this channel, and most are lurkers. |
| 17:15.40 | JademusSreg | You would have better luck posting on the modeling forum. |
| 17:16.13 | apple4 | what i actually want to do here is make it so no selection/preselection shows on a players own units, and preselection is detected and shows ally units, and a different color for enemy units, its a shooter and its to indicate that your mouse is currently over the unit |
| 17:16.49 | JademusSreg | Ah, soundsl ike you'll need those actor events then. Just use terms to validate player alliance. |
| 17:16.55 | apple4 | and have a custom preselection that makes the unit appear as highlighted to the player or somthing |
| 17:16.58 | Frostwind | then delete the events in PreSelection actor too |
| 17:17.10 | apple4 | rather than a circle |
| 17:17.23 | JademusSreg | Keep them and add terms that use a player alliance validator. |
| 17:17.25 | JademusSreg | pew pew |
| 17:17.43 | Frostwind | apple, I did the same thing in my project (which sadly I can't work on since no one will help me fix a problem i have) |
| 17:18.04 | JademusSreg | That is silly. |
| 17:18.14 | JademusSreg | You have been instructed how to solve the problem. |
| 17:18.18 | JademusSreg | You need a modeler. |
| 17:18.19 | Frostwind | no |
| 17:18.25 | Wiz10011 | people aren't able to help him and he keeps taking it as noone would help him. |
| 17:18.30 | Frostwind | its called NO ONE WILL HELP ME |
| 17:18.53 | JademusSreg | A modeler makes custom animations in anim groups, and you use an actor that applies anim groups in response to unit state. |
| 17:19.09 | JademusSreg | It's simple, you just need a modeler. |
| 17:19.40 | Frostwind | again, NO ONE WILL HELP ME |
| 17:19.48 | Wiz10011 | he knows that, but he assumes everyone here is a modeler and noone will help him. |
| 17:20.27 | Wiz10011 | although honestly, if i was a modeler, I would help him. just because he doesn't ask directly, he assumes noone will help him when they cant. and acts like a spoiled brat. but that's just me. |
| 17:20.33 | Wiz10011 | wouldnt* |
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| 17:22.24 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 17:22.31 | JademusSreg | I can relate to that sentiment. |
| 17:24.16 | Wiz10011 | If the ability is removed from the command card, doees it need to be removed from abilities +? |
| 17:24.55 | apple4 | so is that all done inside this event manager Frostwind |
| 17:25.07 | apple4 | including the highlight |
| 17:25.10 | JademusSreg | It doesn't need to, exactly, but it doesn't do anything useful wityhout a command card button. |
| 17:25.30 | Frostwind | apple4: inside the actor event for each selection actor |
| 17:26.43 | apple4 | omg groundlocalselection is an actual actor |
| 17:26.49 | Frostwind | yea |
| 17:26.49 | apple4 | ok |
| 17:27.08 | Frostwind | go into the actor events and delete the selection update event |
| 17:27.40 | apple4 | tyty |
| 17:27.48 | Frostwind | but GroundLocalSelection is only the solid circle. the preselection one is another actor |
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| 17:31.34 | JademusSreg | Hi Roo. |
| 17:31.50 | JademusSreg | Didn't notice you were on. |
| 17:37.11 | apple4 | anyone have any sugguestions on where to learn about the data editor more, like the event manager that might be more efficent than a million trial and errors |
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| 17:44.35 | Ashamed | you know who needs to get on DUSTIN |
| 17:44.39 | Ashamed | i need to talk to him |
| 17:45.10 | Keyeszx | Anyone ever played Warhammer? |
| 17:45.18 | Xaragoth | tabletop? |
| 17:45.20 | Xaragoth | or games? |
| 17:45.28 | Keyeszx | games |
| 17:45.39 | Xaragoth | ye |
| 17:45.42 | Xaragoth | a lot |
| 17:45.46 | Xaragoth | was cheaper than tabletop |
| 17:45.47 | Xaragoth | xP |
| 17:45.54 | Keyeszx | what is the tabletop? |
| 17:45.59 | JademusSreg | D&D |
| 17:46.05 | JademusSreg | A little warhammer. |
| 17:46.10 | Keyeszx | oh |
| 17:46.24 | Keyeszx | didn't know it had a D&D version |
| 17:46.28 | Keyeszx | or was that original? |
| 17:47.17 | Keyeszx | anyways I was wondering if it was possible to create the cover system it uses |
| 17:47.19 | Xaragoth | nobody remembers anymore |
| 17:47.31 | Xaragoth | should be |
| 17:47.48 | Xaragoth | remember tomura doing some tests on that back when TSOF wasn't on infinite hold, because we're more happy with UDK now |
| 17:48.13 | Xaragoth | http://imgur.com/a/Z5YS6#BMtWS #1 is going to be re-taken and #5 will be replaced with military installation ~~ |
| 17:48.31 | tampa1adam | when I hide a dialog to I have to hide all of it's items? |
| 17:48.42 | JademusSreg | I was refering to two separate tabletop games. =D |
| 17:48.51 | Ashamed | hey how do you find out how long its been since someone logged in?? |
| 17:48.55 | Ashamed | with that purl bot |
| 17:49.09 | tampa1adam | ~find |
| 17:51.47 | Ashamed | ... |
| 17:52.01 | Ashamed | ~find dustin |
| 17:52.13 | Ashamed | :( |
| 17:52.28 | Keyeszx | who's dustin? |
| 17:52.48 | Ashamed | guy that made that bomberman map |
| 17:53.30 | Keyeszx | I thought programmer made a bomberman map |
| 17:53.35 | Keyeszx | then again I've seen quite a few |
| 17:53.54 | Ashamed | the newest one |
| 17:54.49 | JademusSreg | ~seen Dustin |
| 17:55.03 | purl | dustin <dustin.hen@ip72-209-158-12.ks.ks.cox.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 2d 1h 15m 55s ago, saying: 'http://www.whenwillamywinehousedie.com/'. |
| 17:55.03 | Ashamed | ~seen dustin |
| 17:55.03 | purl | dustin <dustin.hen@ip72-209-158-12.ks.ks.cox.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 2d 1h 15m 55s ago, saying: 'http://www.whenwillamywinehousedie.com/'. |
| 17:55.04 | Ashamed | he all told me he was updating |
| 17:55.16 | Ashamed | lol |
| 17:55.17 | Ashamed | he would |
| 17:57.45 | tampa1adam | My map finally beat me :D |
| 17:57.55 | JademusSreg | Amy Winehouse? Who is that? |
| 17:59.56 | JademusSreg | Hahaha. |
| 18:00.17 | JademusSreg | ~dustin |
| 18:00.43 | tampa1adam | http://i.imgur.com/6sIsM.jpg |
| 18:00.57 | tampa1adam | Why would that not hide all the dialogs in that array |
| 18:01.10 | tampa1adam | if I change it to show it shows them all |
| 18:02.07 | JademusSreg | You have 16 dialogs? |
| 18:02.15 | tampa1adam | yes, created from 0-16 |
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| 18:02.26 | tampa1adam | ill SS one |
| 18:02.49 | JademusSreg | What do they all do? Submenus? |
| 18:02.58 | tampa1adam | they're info menus about the unit |
| 18:03.18 | tampa1adam | so like when I click on it it shows an info menu with a select button on it |
| 18:03.23 | tampa1adam | or a cancel button |
| 18:03.24 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 18:03.43 | JademusSreg | There is no triggering player. |
| 18:04.06 | tampa1adam | I run it from a button |
| 18:04.09 | tampa1adam | press |
| 18:04.18 | JademusSreg | No event in that example. |
| 18:04.19 | tampa1adam | and also in map init |
| 18:04.26 | tampa1adam | I hide all the dialogs |
| 18:04.37 | JademusSreg | No player-oriented event, no triggering player. |
| 18:04.46 | tampa1adam | oh I see |
| 18:05.03 | tampa1adam | so put that loop into the button press? |
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| 18:05.23 | JademusSreg | Sure. |
| 18:05.33 | tampa1adam | sec |
| 18:05.40 | JademusSreg | Or make it a function that takes a player. |
| 18:07.48 | tampa1adam | http://i.imgur.com/XTJOs.jpg |
| 18:08.15 | tampa1adam | what that should do is hide any other unit info window, then show the one you clicked |
| 18:08.34 | tampa1adam | it does not hide the other windows |
| 18:09.29 | JademusSreg | Shouldn't the event specify the dialog item UnitButton isntead of doing that in the condition? Oh wait, that wouldn't work because of how GUI is; it couyld be done in galaxy though. |
| 18:09.30 | tampa1adam | it shows the correct window, on top of the other window |
| 18:10.06 | tampa1adam | galaxy editor? |
| 18:10.16 | JademusSreg | Naw, galaxy script. |
| 18:10.35 | JademusSreg | Galaxy editor is defunct term for the SC2 Editor. |
| 18:10.41 | tampa1adam | ahhh |
| 18:10.45 | tampa1adam | ;D |
| 18:10.56 | tampa1adam | any ideas? |
| 18:11.08 | tampa1adam | do I need to hide all the dialog items also? |
| 18:11.14 | tampa1adam | ... |
| 18:11.31 | JademusSreg | Naw |
| 18:12.23 | JademusSreg | I wonder if either it is a bug in the GUI or if there is interference from another trigger. |
| 18:12.50 | JademusSreg | If you check out the front page, you'll note that GUI bugs were introduced in the last patch. |
| 18:13.21 | JademusSreg | Remove the last action and see if it hides them at all. |
| 18:13.52 | JademusSreg | Also, make sure the UnitInfo array has values. |
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| 18:14.43 | tampa1adam | if I change it to show, it shows all of my info windows |
| 18:17.00 | burne- | pff |
| 18:17.16 | burne- | I need to redo all the fucking sounds for my abiliries |
| 18:17.22 | burne- | I hate sc2 sound system |
| 18:17.30 | burne- | why cant it work like I want it to work... |
| 18:19.49 | JademusSreg | Tampa, there must be some information missing somewherei n the problem. |
| 18:20.06 | JademusSreg | It looks correct, so the problem must be elsewhere. |
| 18:20.53 | tampa1adam | Yeah |
| 18:20.59 | tampa1adam | thx |
| 18:26.50 | tampa1adam | finally I get to just delete my map and wash my hands of it |
| 18:27.41 | tampa1adam | a week isnt that much wasted time right? |
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| 18:28.20 | Frost-mobile | hi |
| 18:28.50 | Frost-mobile | moo |
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| 18:33.10 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 18:34.30 | Vailreth | and hello folks |
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| 19:16.13 | Vailreth | well this is going to take forever.... |
| 19:16.33 | Wiz10011 | How do you edit the help menu? |
| 19:16.42 | Vailreth | no clue |
| 19:16.44 | Currydevil | what is forever? |
| 19:17.01 | Vailreth | a very very very .long time |
| 19:17.06 | Currydevil | long time? |
| 19:17.23 | Vailreth | yes |
| 19:19.21 | Currydevil | <- forgot how to show the red grid on the egde of the map =( |
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| 19:24.30 | JademusSreg | Ctrl Alt H |
| 19:27.07 | Currydevil | it must be my map size? it shows the green grid, but when i select no build, it won't show up |
| 19:27.20 | Currydevil | i'm making a mod file so I made the terrain as small as I could. |
| 19:27.25 | Currydevil | I just like to see my bounds is all. |
| 19:27.52 | Currydevil | it's a 32x32 |
| 19:28.47 | Currydevil | that's got to be =X lol. oh well. |
| 19:28.57 | Ashamed | so the dryer broke.... |
| 19:29.03 | Ashamed | air dryen my cloths.... |
| 19:35.43 | Vailreth | that sucks Ashamed. |
| 19:39.02 | Ashamed | i know :( |
| 19:39.27 | Vailreth | atleast is wasnt the fridge |
| 19:39.57 | HP-X|Arthas | Ashamed: |
| 19:40.00 | HP-X|Arthas | I gots the job :D |
| 19:40.14 | HP-X|Arthas | also found rok-release3.zip on my hdd :p |
| 19:45.57 | Ashamed | wow |
| 19:45.58 | Ashamed | we all getten jobs |
| 19:46.06 | Ashamed | its cuz we are gangster |
| 19:46.16 | slightlyrandom | What? |
| 19:46.17 | Ashamed | i just offically quit my old job today arthas :) |
| 19:46.24 | slightlyrandom | Dryers are a bloody waste of energy |
| 19:46.35 | Ashamed | YOUR A BLOODY WASTE OF ENERGY |
| 19:46.41 | slightlyrandom | I agree |
| 19:46.46 | slightlyrandom | But not as much as a drier |
| 19:46.47 | Ashamed | G00D |
| 19:46.54 | Ashamed | .... oh much much more |
| 19:47.14 | Ashamed | all i am saying is i spend like 150-175 bucks a month on gas for my car |
| 19:47.24 | Ashamed | i spend like 50-70 on electricty for my house |
| 19:48.01 | slightlyrandom | Heh |
| 19:48.11 | slightlyrandom | Thats like one and a half tank in this neck of the wood |
| 19:49.06 | Currydevil | 3 for me |
| 19:54.04 | HP-X|Arthas | Ashamed: nice :D |
| 19:54.06 | HP-X|Arthas | gz! |
| 19:54.17 | HP-X|Arthas | i havent been at my old job for like 3 months and 11 days |
| 19:54.21 | HP-X|Arthas | but hey, who is counting! ;p |
| 19:55.57 | Ashamed | lol |
| 19:56.04 | Ashamed | i proactivly got a job |
| 19:56.07 | Ashamed | you reactivly did |
| 19:56.08 | Ashamed | thats it |
| 19:56.12 | Ashamed | :) we both still got em |
| 19:56.17 | HP-X|Arthas | Yup :> |
| 19:56.24 | Ashamed | what you doing? |
| 19:56.27 | HP-X|Arthas | NOC |
| 19:56.28 | HP-X|Arthas | :p |
| 19:56.46 | HP-X|Arthas | so more or less network / system monitoring |
| 19:57.16 | Ashamed | yeah what exactly your job there? |
| 19:57.50 | Ashamed | Network operations center correct? |
| 19:58.15 | slightlyrandom | Ninja Operations Center |
| 19:58.25 | HP-X|Arthas | what slightlyrandom said |
| 19:58.25 | Ashamed | ahh yes |
| 19:58.26 | HP-X|Arthas | ! |
| 19:58.34 | Ashamed | whats you job code |
| 19:58.39 | HP-X|Arthas | We track all the ninjas around |
| 19:58.48 | HP-X|Arthas | 3513 |
| 19:59.13 | slightlyrandom | http://i.imgur.com/l2VoX.jpg |
| 19:59.27 | slightlyrandom | relevant |
| 19:59.57 | Currydevil | nice |
| 20:01.14 | HP-X|Arthas | haha |
| 20:01.16 | HP-X|Arthas | n1 |
| 20:01.17 | HP-X|Arthas | saved |
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| 20:09.39 | Keyeszx | Anyone remember that sc1 map that was probe football or something |
| 20:09.58 | RedWraith | yeah... |
| 20:10.00 | RedWraith | scv football |
| 20:10.36 | tampa1adam | lol scv football so old school |
| 20:11.15 | tampa1adam | anyone worked with checkboxes? |
| 20:11.24 | Currydevil | what about scv football? |
| 20:11.29 | Keyeszx | I thought it had probes |
| 20:11.35 | RedWraith | scv football! |
| 20:11.36 | RedWraith | probably |
| 20:11.53 | Keyeszx | I was just playing Star Strikers |
| 20:12.23 | Keyeszx | so it reminded me of the football in sc1 |
| 20:12.51 | tampa1adam | ࣠|
| 20:13.21 | Currydevil | what about em tampa? |
| 20:13.44 | tampa1adam | basically I have 3 options on a page, when they select one it should deselect the others |
| 20:13.49 | tampa1adam | whats the best way to go about that? |
| 20:14.12 | Currydevil | ah, it's been a while since i played with it, i'll have to look |
| 20:14.26 | Currydevil | it can only have 1 possible selection yes? |
| 20:14.27 | tampa1adam | event type checked, then uncheck the others |
| 20:14.34 | tampa1adam | only 1 can be selected yes |
| 20:14.40 | Currydevil | you should use radials then |
| 20:14.49 | Currydevil | the circles |
| 20:15.46 | tampa1adam | ?? How |
| 20:15.57 | Currydevil | i'm looking, i think you can use them anyways |
| 20:16.25 | Currydevil | i guess not, Blizz should have put them in ;) |
| 20:16.29 | Currydevil | but it's easy |
| 20:16.53 | Currydevil | you make a trigger with event: dialog item used: event type checked (i think) |
| 20:16.55 | tampa1adam | on event type checked |
| 20:17.00 | tampa1adam | set the others to unchecked |
| 20:17.05 | Currydevil | and make 3 if/then |
| 20:17.15 | Currydevil | if check box one, uncheck 2 and 3 |
| 20:17.22 | Currydevil | if 2, uncheck 1, 3 etc |
| 20:18.29 | Currydevil | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:18.45 | tampa1adam | kk thx gonna try it out |
| 20:18.50 | Currydevil | np |
| 20:19.48 | tampa1adam | so when I make the checkbox |
| 20:20.52 | tampa1adam | make it an array with all 3 options? |
| 20:21.36 | tampa1adam | set var Selection(0) to checkbox to last made item |
| 20:21.41 | tampa1adam | set var Selection(1) to checkbox to last made item |
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| 20:22.05 | Currydevil | yeah you can make it an array |
| 20:22.11 | Currydevil | but you have to make 3 diff checkboxes. |
| 20:22.16 | Currydevil | yes |
| 20:23.13 | tampa1adam | right |
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| 20:28.44 | tampa1adam | http://i.imgur.com/gzo7P.jpg |
| 20:28.46 | tampa1adam | works! |
| 20:29.03 | Currydevil | cool |
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| 20:29.19 | DrSuperEvil | keuken you there? |
| 20:29.50 | Currydevil | Now what you should do tampa, is make an If,Then,Else statement and move those conditions down to the IF |
| 20:30.06 | Currydevil | and do the same thing for the 2 other check boxes so you don't have to make 3 different triggers |
| 20:30.18 | Nash|327 | I have an odd validator issue :/ |
| 20:30.27 | Currydevil | odd? we don't do odd. |
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| 20:34.07 | Keyeszx | Would it be illegal to put up pictures of starcraft heroes on a website that asks for donations? |
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| 20:34.46 | Keyeszx | Like you make a website for your maps and you ask for donations somewhere on the map. But you also have jim raynor and other characters to give it that starcraft feel |
| 20:36.07 | tampa1adam | photoshop in a birthday cap and call him Tim Raynor then I think its legal |
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| 20:37.20 | Ashamed | http://pete.com/view/fear-god-on-twitter |
| 20:38.23 | Vailreth | well i knew this day would come but that doesnt make the tedium any less |
| 20:38.35 | Vailreth | this is why i wanted to hire and intern... |
| 20:39.03 | Vailreth | an* |
| 20:40.27 | Wiz10011_ | You know ashamed I meet a moron like that. He tried to say god is real because you just dont make a curseword out of something that's fake, (refering to god damn it) |
| 20:41.27 | Ashamed | lol |
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| 20:48.14 | Wiz10011_ | Is there a way to let a spine crawler root on top of a creep tumor? |
| 20:48.39 | Vailreth | hmm there likely is |
| 20:49.24 | Vailreth | do you want the creep tumor to morph or do you want to build a spiner over top? |
| 20:50.10 | Keyeszx | You know the phrase god damn it must mean that God isn'ta person or an entity as we refer to them as he/she/them/etc So that means it's just an object or a thought. :D I win religion! |
| 20:50.14 | Wiz10011_ | Nah see I have the tumor cloacked from everyone for the creep to be visual, But you cant root the spine crawler on top of the cloaked tumor, (tumors aren;t controlled by anyone) |
| 20:51.06 | Vailreth | you may have to use built on and change the placement footprint |
| 20:51.24 | Wiz10011_ | for the tumor? |
| 20:51.34 | Vailreth | the spine crawler |
| 20:52.20 | Vailreth | let me do some testing i need a break from adding attriubutes to a veterancy behavior |
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| 21:09.34 | Wiz10011_ | I got it Vailreth. |
| 21:09.40 | Wiz10011_ | Thanks for the help though |
| 21:09.45 | Vailreth | what did you do? |
| 21:10.05 | Wiz10011_ | Changed the Movement - CollideUnused (Land 16) |
| 21:10.17 | Wiz10011_ | and uncheck the other ones within that Movement-collide |
| 21:10.44 | Vailreth | hm |
| 21:10.56 | Wiz10011_ | (from the tumor) |
| 21:13.25 | Wiz10011_ | Thanks though |
| 21:20.00 | Vailreth | no problem |
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| 22:24.04 | Agouti | is anyone else here using dependencies on their map? |
| 22:24.08 | Agouti | custom ones, that is |
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| 22:28.08 | Nash|327 | validators working properly |
| 22:28.20 | Nash|327 | so now I have a buff for level 1 and level 2 heroes |
| 22:30.09 | Agouti | I'll assume since you didn't reply Nash that you are not using a custom dependency? |
| 22:30.23 | Nash|327 | Yes, you do that. |
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| 22:52.29 | Frostwind | Moo |
| 23:08.02 | Frostwind | Moo |
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| 23:33.42 | Frostwind | is soooooooooooo bored |
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| 23:40.15 | tampa1adam | currydevil |
| 23:40.26 | tampa1adam | I fucking love you |
| 23:40.48 | tampa1adam | anyone avilable to help me test my map? |
| 23:44.11 | JademusSreg | Busy. |
| 23:45.54 | Agouti | JademusSreg, |
| 23:46.03 | Agouti | have you got any maps with custom dependencies? |
| 23:46.44 | JademusSreg | I've experimented with them in the past a bit. And will eventually need to use them to implement music in my map. |
| 23:48.43 | tampa1adam | I just need to test the dialogs in my map to make sure they work for multiple players |
| 23:48.48 | tampa1adam | should take 2 mins |
| 23:48.50 | tampa1adam | plz |
| 23:48.54 | JademusSreg | Alright. |
| 23:49.05 | Wiz10011_ | NA? |
| 23:49.50 | tampa1adam | yes sir |
| 23:50.05 | tampa1adam | join chan sc2mapster |
| 23:50.14 | Nash|327 | NEVAR |
| 23:50.39 | tampa1adam | join plz wiz! |
| 23:51.54 | Wiz10011_ | sorry went afk. if you give me a minute to start up SC2 ill help |
| 23:52.11 | Nash|327 | It's a trap D: |
| 23:52.22 | tampa1adam | dont worry bout it! jades helpin |
| 23:52.29 | Wiz10011_ | Okay |
| 23:52.51 | Frostwind | is soooooooooooo bored |
| 23:55.15 | Agouti | JademusSreg, the reason I ask is since 1.3.5 I've been having problems with some games having mass drops |
| 23:55.24 | Agouti | like, 8 players all get dropped during loading |
| 23:55.33 | Agouti | I suspect it's linked to the dependency |
| 23:55.45 | Agouti | Since I never had problems before adding it |
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| 23:59.23 | tampa1adam | thx |
| 23:59.39 | JademusSreg | Hm. Yeah, the recent patch introduced a lot of new bugs. |
| 23:59.55 | Nash|327 | new zerg units? |
