| 00:00.01 | Mexa|Tee | Well, no, but it's like, oh, fine, EU wont get any maps because Mexa don't like publishing maps containing ripped assets. |
| 00:00.09 | flyingspatula | hah cool i remember seeing ur speedcraft on utube |
| 00:00.27 | Mexa|Tee | You don't trust me anyways |
| 00:00.38 | Mexa|Tee | pft, |
| 00:01.08 | flyingspatula | music asset? |
| 00:01.20 | Mexa|Tee | music and sounds, afaIk |
| 00:01.25 | Mexa|Tee | uncredited |
| 00:01.32 | Mexa|Tee | with no permission |
| 00:01.34 | flyingspatula | ah |
| 00:01.34 | XorioZ | before i ask any more stupid animation questions. does anyone here even know anything about m3 animation? |
| 00:01.41 | Mexa|Tee | I just don't like that |
| 00:02.02 | flyingspatula | i agree with the not crediting tha tshould be a must |
| 00:02.10 | Mexa|Tee | XorioZ, I same some info of that on googlecode |
| 00:02.13 | Mexa|Tee | let me check |
| 00:02.17 | flyingspatula | but getting permission from a company is pointless |
| 00:02.39 | Mexa|Tee | http://code.google.com/p/libm3/w/list |
| 00:02.41 | Mexa|Tee | there |
| 00:03.02 | XorioZ | thx |
| 00:03.09 | Mexa|Tee | flyingspatula, there are alternative ways |
| 00:03.22 | Mexa|Tee | You don't have to steal it from another game |
| 00:03.31 | Mexa|Tee | or borrow, or whatever your opinion is |
| 00:03.36 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 00:04.04 | Mexa|Tee | it also gives an unoriginal feeling to the map |
| 00:04.14 | flyingspatula | true in some cases |
| 00:04.18 | flyingspatula | but ive had those moments where id be working on something |
| 00:04.19 | Mexa|Tee | Can't find other resources? then Q_Q |
| 00:04.33 | flyingspatula | and it just wouldnt look/feel right without XXX that happened to be copyrighted etc |
| 00:04.48 | Mexa|Tee | perhaps so |
| 00:05.21 | Mexa|Tee | Anywho, I guess Blizzard will be less accepting it if the marketplace comes out |
| 00:05.26 | Mexa|Tee | Else they could pretty much be sued. |
| 00:05.38 | flyingspatula | ofc |
| 00:05.55 | flyingspatula | but seeing the mass shit maps sofar i wonder when theyll be ready to market |
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| 00:06.30 | Mexa|Tee | Just wait and see then, I suppose. |
| 00:07.18 | JademusSreg | What's the topic? |
| 00:07.40 | Mexa|Tee | Oh, it was just me talking about ripped assets in maps. |
| 00:07.58 | Mexa|Tee | Which then trasitioned into some marketplace. |
| 00:08.05 | XorioZ | what's this about a market place? |
| 00:08.20 | flyingspatula | i would assum eblizz would have restrictions against that |
| 00:08.25 | flyingspatula | for marketing |
| 00:08.40 | Mexa|Tee | What they planned to have for sc2. A marketplace where you could gain some profit for maps you make |
| 00:08.53 | JoBoDo | so people would have to buy maps/ |
| 00:08.59 | JoBoDo | -_- |
| 00:09.17 | Mexa|Tee | In a similar fashion to android/app store |
| 00:09.20 | XorioZ | hmm. sounds interesting. might bring some more quality maps on bnet. |
| 00:09.20 | JoBoDo | Mexa, whats your opinion on ripping other blizzard game models/sounds ? |
| 00:10.18 | Mexa|Tee | Well, it's their assets, if something which is causing trouble, it will be within their own subsidiary |
| 00:10.26 | JoBoDo | yeah |
| 00:10.28 | Mexa|Tee | It doesn't impress me though. |
| 00:10.31 | JoBoDo | ahk |
| 00:10.47 | Mexa|Tee | :) |
| 00:10.50 | JoBoDo | ;D |
| 00:11.00 | XorioZ | plus I'm currently unemployed so earning a bit of cash on map making is just what i need :) |
| 00:11.05 | XorioZ | :S |
| 00:11.24 | JoBoDo | that side is nice and all xorio |
| 00:11.25 | JoBoDo | but tbh |
| 00:11.41 | JoBoDo | I always loved the endless custom maps in wc3 |
| 00:11.48 | JoBoDo | and the best part was |
| 00:11.50 | JoBoDo | they were free |
| 00:12.03 | JoBoDo | idk if I would want to pay for custom maps on sc2 /: |
| 00:12.35 | Mexa|Tee | If Blizzard can guarantee a quality insurance, and the cost would be minimalistic |
| 00:12.40 | Mexa|Tee | yet supportive for the developer |
| 00:12.46 | Mexa|Tee | I would buy maps |
| 00:12.52 | JoBoDo | yeah |
| 00:12.52 | XorioZ | well blizzard could set it up so we could sell the maps as.. well as in if you want to support the makers of this map go ahead and pay but you don't have to. |
| 00:13.14 | JoBoDo | I would be happy with it |
| 00:13.32 | JoBoDo | if blizzard wasnt making a large amount of money from it |
| 00:13.47 | JoBoDo | if they're gona sell custom maps. the money should go mostly to the dev |
| 00:14.02 | Mexa|Tee | If there were a total conversion mod, I would probably pay some more too. |
| 00:14.12 | Mexa|Tee | Like this warfare one |
| 00:14.15 | JoBoDo | total conversion? |
| 00:14.23 | Mexa|Tee | yeah |
| 00:14.31 | XorioZ | yea. but i still think it's ok for blizzard to take a small cut of it. i mean it's their game and their awesome editor. |
| 00:14.37 | Mexa|Tee | Project warfare, for instance |
| 00:14.45 | Mexa|Tee | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-xpwrBoTLQ |
| 00:14.54 | Wiz10011 | Hey guys, I could use some help. I used SCTwotorials guide to make dialog buttons at the beginning and based on what button you push, you're added to a different player group, But when you push the button nothing happens. Any ideas? |
| 00:15.20 | Mexa|Tee | Total conversion would mean a higher amount of custom content |
| 00:16.20 | Mexa|Tee | Wiz, are there alot of triggers? |
| 00:16.38 | Wiz10011 | for dialogs? |
| 00:16.50 | Mexa|Tee | your system which is 'failing' |
| 00:16.57 | Mexa|Tee | if I put it that way :) |
| 00:17.00 | Mexa|Tee | Pastebin |
| 00:17.07 | Wiz10011 | there;s 2 triggers, one for each button. |
| 00:17.36 | Mexa|Tee | mm, pastebin one of them or something |
| 00:17.43 | Wiz10011 | Sure one second |
| 00:18.25 | Wiz10011 | http://pastebin.com/ZBaSYP1i |
| 00:19.22 | Mexa|Tee | JoBoDo, anywho, the thing about taking things from other blizzard games... If I put it in another way: I am more impressed by the developers that made a converter tool for others to use, than the ones who actually used it. |
| 00:20.30 | Mexa|Tee | if now exporting from a game to another would actually be incombatible from the start. |
| 00:20.53 | JoBoDo | yea fairo |
| 00:21.22 | Wiz10011 | Isn't importing models from wow is technically datamining? |
| 00:21.32 | Mexa|Tee | datamining? |
| 00:21.37 | XorioZ | time for some ego boosting. |
| 00:21.39 | XorioZ | http://www.youtube.com/user/xoriozme#p/u/3/-sXHOtnyWtM |
| 00:21.50 | Mexa|Tee | ohno you didn't :> |
| 00:22.01 | Wiz10011 | looking through the wow files for information/models etc with the use of a third party program. |
| 00:22.29 | Mexa|Tee | well, is it a good or a bad thing in your eyes? |
| 00:22.39 | JoBoDo | xorio |
| 00:22.41 | JoBoDo | you did these? |
| 00:22.44 | XorioZ | ye |
| 00:22.46 | JoBoDo | nice |
| 00:22.47 | Mexa|Tee | I'm sure any third party program is a violation of the ToA. |
| 00:22.56 | Wiz10011 | doesn't matter to me in my eyes. it's against the wow terms of service that's all. |
| 00:23.07 | XorioZ | gets his ego boost from JoBoDo |
| 00:23.11 | Wiz10011 | would suck to have your SC2 account be the cause of a wow account ban. |
| 00:23.13 | JoBoDo | =D |
| 00:23.17 | Mexa|Tee | lol |
| 00:23.25 | Mexa|Tee | Somewhat |
| 00:23.55 | Wiz10011 | guess at this point it's only speculation unless blizzard gives a offical response. |
| 00:23.59 | Mexa|Tee | Wiz, are you sure the player is in the north team? |
| 00:24.04 | XorioZ | wow account ban... isn't that a good thing? |
| 00:24.10 | Mexa|Tee | haha |
| 00:24.20 | Mexa|Tee | Dedicated users will nerdrage |
| 00:24.21 | Wiz10011 | Yea. North team = players on team one. |
| 00:24.41 | Wiz10011 | there's the value 1 in north team, so Im sure they are put into north team. |
| 00:25.17 | Mexa|Tee | any trigger output in the debugger? |
| 00:25.22 | Mexa|Tee | Like, failed events? |
| 00:25.26 | Mexa|Tee | *conditions |
| 00:25.49 | Mexa|Tee | I mean, to make certain the conditions are met |
| 00:25.51 | Wiz10011 | not sure about conditions. let me check |
| 00:26.12 | XorioZ | hmm is it just me or do new sensation have a bit of old school c64 over it? |
| 00:26.46 | Mexa|Tee | a new game? |
| 00:27.06 | XorioZ | asking me?? |
| 00:27.09 | Mexa|Tee | yeah |
| 00:27.11 | Mexa|Tee | What is it? |
| 00:27.26 | XorioZ | no New sensation is one of the music pieces i made |
| 00:27.38 | Mexa|Tee | aaah, the ego boost link? |
| 00:27.40 | Mexa|Tee | ;) |
| 00:28.11 | Wiz10011 | Yes mexa Failed conditions. |
| 00:28.42 | Mexa|Tee | then you know it's triggered at least |
| 00:28.58 | Mexa|Tee | what if you remove one of the conditions? |
| 00:28.59 | Wiz10011 | Yep, removing one condition at a time to see which one fails. |
| 00:29.06 | JoBoDo | xorio |
| 00:29.06 | Mexa|Tee | aye |
| 00:29.08 | JoBoDo | this is really good |
| 00:29.08 | JoBoDo | lol |
| 00:29.17 | Mexa|Tee | xorioz, I agreed :) |
| 00:29.24 | Mexa|Tee | nice feeling over that song |
| 00:29.29 | Vailreth | better than what i could compose .. |
| 00:29.35 | JoBoDo | ;c |
| 00:29.43 | XorioZ | well thx. i was just playing around with ableton live lerning the ropes. |
| 00:29.44 | Vailreth | i mean its good |
| 00:30.01 | JoBoDo | lol /plays the modest card |
| 00:30.03 | Vailreth | ive been toying with Psycle because its free ... |
| 00:30.32 | Wiz10011 | appears to be button one. |
| 00:31.59 | XorioZ | yea i'm super awsome becouse i made some music in ableton live. well i grew up in a musically inclined family so music is second nature for me. so for me it's not that big of a deal. but it means a lot to me to hear people compliment it tho :P |
| 00:32.18 | Wiz10011 | Thanks mexa for helping me locate the problem. Now to figure out why it doesn't work |
| 00:32.28 | Vailreth | i love music and all forms of art but i cant compose for beans |
| 00:33.02 | Mexa|Tee | Wiz, np |
| 00:33.02 | JoBoDo | Mystify Revive reminds me of oldschool 007 n64 |
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| 00:33.04 | JoBoDo | hell nostalgic |
| 00:33.14 | XorioZ | neither can i. i don't compose. i create. can't read nodes for shit. |
| 00:33.26 | Vailreth | ah |
| 00:34.04 | JoBoDo | Xorioz |
| 00:34.09 | JoBoDo | do you know the group Ratatat |
| 00:34.10 | JoBoDo | ? |
| 00:34.16 | XorioZ | nope. |
| 00:34.28 | JoBoDo | you should youtube, you might like them |
| 00:34.30 | Vailreth | im glad i learned the train ability automatically places trained items in the activating heros inventory |
| 00:34.58 | Vailreth | ~seen Bifuu |
| 00:35.00 | purl | bifuu <~Bifuu@cpe-071-077-145-012.nc.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 273d 20h 19m 10s ago, saying: 'sigh. i was happy i had time to work on my Map, now i see blizz is adding new stuff lol.... looks like im going on hold again'. |
| 00:35.24 | JoBoDo | lol |
| 00:35.26 | JoBoDo | a little while ago |
| 00:35.46 | XorioZ | ohh nice. me like ratatat |
| 00:36.19 | JoBoDo | Thought you would :p |
| 00:36.46 | JoBoDo | Have you just done these 4 pieces? |
| 00:37.00 | XorioZ | i have loads more somewhere on my drives. |
| 00:37.22 | XorioZ | but we have 10 tb data in house right now so it will take quite some time to find it. |
| 00:37.28 | JoBoDo | lol nice xD |
| 00:40.02 | JoBoDo | do you put your own custom music in your maps? :p you should |
| 00:44.43 | XorioZ | well did not think about that. |
| 00:44.58 | XorioZ | but i could make some music for the tdh project. |
| 00:45.03 | XorioZ | if i get the time |
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| 00:45.40 | Vailreth | any one know off hand how to make a unit than can turn but cant move away from its position? |
| 00:46.04 | JoBoDo | whats the tdh project? |
| 00:46.23 | JoBoDo | vail |
| 00:46.32 | JoBoDo | in wc3 when you were ensared you could do that |
| 00:46.45 | JoBoDo | so im thinking maybe an effect of some sort may do something similar |
| 00:47.03 | JoBoDo | you would just have to modify it to make it permanent, thats probs ur best bet |
| 00:48.26 | JoBoDo | or what happens if you give someone move but no movespeed |
| 00:48.30 | Vailreth | that seems like a hackish way to make a unit that can only turn in place.... |
| 00:48.45 | Vailreth | no move speed = no move ability in essence |
| 00:48.53 | JoBoDo | ahk |
| 00:49.32 | Vailreth | i may have to make a unit with no mover.. |
| 00:50.17 | JoBoDo | when you tried the no movespeed thing |
| 00:50.25 | JoBoDo | did you put the turn stuff up to highest? |
| 00:50.35 | JoBoDo | im not sure the name of it, but some units might have an arc when they turn |
| 00:52.17 | Vailreth | yes it seems like the only way to get what i want is with no mover |
| 00:53.41 | Fenix | I got a question, how can I make a invisible dialogs where we can see the Dialogs item? Like using the transparency or something like that. But transparency on dialogs make the dialogs item also be transparent |
| 00:55.20 | Fenix | so? |
| 00:55.26 | XorioZ | tdh project. Team Dead a Head. |
| 00:55.37 | Fenix | how can I make a invisible dialogs where we can see the Dialogs item? |
| 00:55.56 | XorioZ | http://www.sc2mapster.com/teams/team-dead-head/ |
| 00:56.40 | Fenix | XorioZ could you help me? |
| 00:56.48 | JoBoDo | :O shotgun alpha testing |
| 00:56.51 | JoBoDo | sorry Fenix but I dont know :c |
| 00:57.02 | XorioZ | yea i can help :) |
| 00:57.11 | Fenix | how can I make a invisible dialogs where we can see the Dialogs item? |
| 00:57.15 | XorioZ | you can set the dialog background to not show :9 |
| 00:57.22 | Fenix | um |
| 00:57.38 | XorioZ | show/hide dialog background |
| 00:57.58 | XorioZ | that makes the dialog invisible but the dialog items still show. |
| 00:58.03 | Fenix | ill take a look |
| 00:58.05 | Fenix | :P |
| 00:58.37 | XorioZ | maan I'm liking Ratatat a lot. :) |
| 00:59.09 | JoBoDo | haha awesome, makes me glad :p |
| 00:59.16 | JoBoDo | im still listening to your stuff lol |
| 00:59.21 | Fenix | um not actually working. It possibly does, but I want to hide the borders. |
| 01:00.06 | XorioZ | wired it should work. |
| 01:00.14 | XorioZ | sec ill make a pastebin |
| 01:00.28 | Mexa|Tee | Fenix, hide the dialog image |
| 01:00.40 | Mexa|Tee | yeah, what Xorioz said |
| 01:00.41 | Mexa|Tee | :> |
| 01:00.48 | Mexa|Tee | wasn't reading |
| 01:00.54 | Mexa|Tee | oh well |
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| 01:01.47 | Fenix | there is no hide dialog image, only for the dialogs itself or the background or the items. |
| 01:02.49 | XorioZ | Fenix |
| 01:02.52 | XorioZ | http://pastebin.com/2M3hPNmk |
| 01:02.56 | XorioZ | that works |
| 01:03.19 | JoBoDo | Xorio, think I could borrow you for a second too? |
| 01:03.26 | JoBoDo | I'm having trouble with my trigger :c |
| 01:03.40 | XorioZ | np you can borrow me :) |
| 01:03.50 | JoBoDo | trying to get experience |
| 01:03.51 | XorioZ | just give me back ok. |
| 01:03.57 | JoBoDo | haha okay,, maybe |
| 01:04.04 | JoBoDo | I havent decided yet ^_^ |
| 01:04.11 | XorioZ | pm? |
| 01:04.17 | JoBoDo | how? lol |
| 01:04.17 | JoBoDo | xD |
| 01:05.52 | Fenix | actually it doesn't work. I want to hide the background of the 2nd mineral/gas/supply UI -> http://i.imgur.com/S5AOe.jpg |
| 01:08.29 | Fenix | any idea how? |
| 01:08.33 | Xan | wow that's ultra low graphical settings |
| 01:08.38 | Fenix | loll |
| 01:08.48 | Fenix | yeah... um my comp get hot otherway. |
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| 01:08.52 | Xan | looks terrible |
| 01:08.56 | Fenix | i know >.< |
| 01:09.04 | Fenix | i can play in ultra... |
| 01:09.05 | Xan | how can you play like that |
| 01:09.06 | Fenix | but i dont |
| 01:09.06 | Xan | :/ |
| 01:09.10 | Fenix | can it will lag a bit |
| 01:09.15 | Fenix | caus* |
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| 01:09.18 | Xan | I rather play with lag |
| 01:09.19 | Xan | ^^ |
| 01:09.35 | Fenix | thats what i did for long... but finally lowered |
| 01:09.36 | Xan | at least play on medium |
| 01:09.37 | Fenix | lag won |
| 01:09.39 | Fenix | xD |
| 01:10.07 | Fenix | low graph are way easier to support than medium or higher |
| 01:10.21 | Vailreth | hmm |
| 01:10.23 | Xan | they should remove that setting |
| 01:10.23 | Xan | :D |
| 01:10.26 | Vailreth | i hope this unit works |
| 01:10.27 | Fenix | lol |
| 01:10.47 | Fenix | so, for my dialogs, any idea? |
| 01:11.01 | Xan | that setting should be rated Adult only |
| 01:13.32 | Fenix | um |
| 01:14.23 | Fenix | what does the Modal or non-modal option when creating a Dialog? |
| 01:15.07 | Agouti | it sets whether it is modal or not |
| 01:15.20 | Mexa|Tee | It is not implemented |
| 01:15.43 | Fenix | at first looking it changes nothing. |
| 01:15.59 | Mexa|Tee | But it is supposed to freeze the rest of the screen and not allow the user to press anywhere else until the dialog is exited |
| 01:16.17 | Mexa|Tee | Kind of like the game menu ingame. |
| 01:16.43 | Mexa|Tee | 'popup' behaviour if you put it that way |
| 01:16.56 | Mexa|Tee | But yeah, it doesn't seem to work |
| 01:17.03 | Fenix | ah. |
| 01:17.39 | Fenix | so any clue about how to hide my dialog without hiding my dialogs items: http://i.imgur.com/S5AOe.jpg |
| 01:17.46 | Fenix | top right corner |
| 01:19.08 | Fenix | also, the text style is not the same as the normal mineral UI, where can I find the same style? It is in string i think and I don't know what to write there. |
| 01:22.31 | Vailreth | i hate this editor |
| 01:22.39 | Vailreth | i fing hate it |
| 01:22.50 | Vailreth | i hate the game it edits |
| 01:27.01 | Vailreth | can any one explain to me how to make a behavior that disables an ability? |
| 01:27.42 | Fenix | workaround xD |
| 01:28.34 | Vailreth | die |
| 01:29.10 | Fenix | :( |
| 01:29.18 | Vailreth | no work around should be necesairy as i have done this before and its SHOULD be as simple as putting the ability in the behaviors Disabled abilites array |
| 01:29.28 | Vailreth | and sorry i didnt mean you i ment the editor |
| 01:29.38 | Fenix | lol |
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| 01:34.49 | Fenix | well, any clue for my annoying dialogs borders under my mineral UI ? http://i.imgur.com/S5AOe.jpg |
| 01:36.02 | JoBoDo | naw nfi |
| 01:36.13 | Fenix | nfi? |
| 01:36.13 | JoBoDo | Xorioz is coming back soon i think so you can ask him then I guess |
| 01:36.18 | JoBoDo | he said he was restarting computer |
| 01:36.21 | JoBoDo | nfi - No f'n idea |
| 01:36.25 | Fenix | lol |
| 01:36.57 | Fenix | some music to dont rage quit the editor xD http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDqGRLrWpLU |
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| 01:37.27 | Fenix | XorioZ any clue about my problem? |
| 01:37.40 | JoBoDo | he doesnt know your problem yet |
| 01:37.42 | JoBoDo | lol |
| 01:37.43 | Fenix | my annoying dialogs borders under my mineral UI ? http://i.imgur.com/S5AOe.jpg |
| 01:37.46 | XorioZ | sry just rebooted my com can you explain it again? |
| 01:37.47 | Fenix | lol |
| 01:37.57 | Fenix | i want to hide the dialog |
| 01:38.05 | Fenix | but not the dialogs items |
| 01:38.17 | XorioZ | show/hide dialog background. |
| 01:38.29 | XorioZ | and if it doesent work you are using it wrong. |
| 01:38.29 | Fenix | i tryed but doesnt work |
| 01:38.36 | JoBoDo | lol |
| 01:38.40 | Fenix | how ma i using it wrong? |
| 01:38.57 | XorioZ | are you setting it to hide the background of the right dialog? |
| 01:39.07 | XorioZ | and are you setting it to hide |
| 01:39.24 | XorioZ | it's a vary simple trigger action so it's hard to do it wrong. |
| 01:39.28 | Fenix | um? |
| 01:39.45 | XorioZ | ither that or there is some error in your trigger work or editor. |
| 01:40.09 | XorioZ | set the action just below the place where you create the dialog. |
| 01:40.24 | XorioZ | and set it to hide background of last created dialog |
| 01:40.42 | Fenix | OH shit i got it! >.< |
| 01:40.44 | Fenix | I'm stupid |
| 01:41.03 | Fenix | I hide the dialog with it variable, but i set the variable after hiding it |
| 01:41.29 | XorioZ | that would do it :) |
| 01:41.32 | Fenix | *suicide* |
| 01:42.02 | XorioZ | have done some of those myself. sitting wondering why a var returns 0 |
| 01:42.03 | Fenix | there it go. |
| 01:42.04 | Fenix | it work |
| 01:42.11 | Fenix | lol |
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| 01:42.47 | Fenix | well... finally got it at less >.< |
| 01:43.03 | JoBoDo | lol |
| 01:43.03 | JoBoDo | grats |
| 01:43.04 | Fenix | so stupid -_- |
| 01:43.05 | JoBoDo | :D |
| 01:43.22 | Fenix | *lauthing at myself* |
| 01:45.07 | Fenix | i got a question =P (I might have many mores to come) I got computers with the Melee mode activated. How do I make them harder or easier? By setting their APM? |
| 01:48.54 | Vailreth | what the fuck ... why is it not working NOW |
| 01:49.11 | JoBoDo | yea I think so fenix |
| 01:49.28 | JoBoDo | thats a way, there is probaly more |
| 01:50.29 | Fenix | ok |
| 01:51.22 | Fenix | and how can we 'mesure' the computer force, like, easy comp would = ?? APM and Insane = ?? APM xD |
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| 01:52.22 | JademusSreg | pew pew |
| 01:52.41 | JoBoDo | easy = american |
| 01:52.44 | JoBoDo | insane = korean |
| 01:52.47 | Fenix | loll |
| 01:52.49 | JademusSreg | You could have 3000 apm and make all the wrong moves. |
| 01:52.49 | JoBoDo | i wonder if sc2 editor would accept that code |
| 01:52.52 | Fenix | that's not in the choice |
| 01:52.57 | JoBoDo | lol :p |
| 01:53.00 | JoBoDo | true jade |
| 01:53.02 | JademusSreg | So APM is not an accurate measure of AI difficulty. |
| 01:53.06 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 01:53.14 | JoBoDo | see some broken game |
| 01:53.16 | JoBoDo | lol |
| 01:53.18 | JoBoDo | with an ai trying to max apm |
| 01:53.23 | JoBoDo | like moving drones around in circles |
| 01:53.29 | Fenix | ok then Jade, how can i get an AI difficulty correctly? |
| 01:53.32 | JademusSreg | Yeah, srsly. |
| 01:53.47 | JademusSreg | Get it is what sense? |
| 01:54.22 | Fenix | um? |
| 01:54.36 | Fenix | how can I set if you prefer |
| 01:55.07 | Fenix | *most epic show: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zklqr1xj32Q * |
| 01:55.18 | JademusSreg | Clarify. Get it in what sense? |
| 01:55.33 | Fenix | I want to be able to set the computer difficulty |
| 01:55.39 | JademusSreg | Set it in game? |
| 01:55.42 | Fenix | yeah |
| 01:55.46 | Vailreth | this is bs.... |
| 01:55.49 | JademusSreg | Based on what? |
| 01:55.53 | Vailreth | total BS |
| 01:56.24 | Fenix | based on what? I just want to be able for example, to clic on a button and then the computer is set to hard |
| 01:56.36 | JademusSreg | Button in game, yes? |
| 01:56.41 | JademusSreg | Rather than a lobby option? |
| 01:56.48 | Fenix | yeah |
| 01:57.04 | Fenix | i dont want it throught the lobby, i want it ingame |
| 01:58.01 | JademusSreg | Alright. So do you intend to run a scpecific AI script, melee or custom? |
| 01:58.10 | Fenix | melee |
| 01:58.13 | Fenix | normal AI |
| 01:58.15 | Fenix | :P |
| 01:58.29 | Fenix | just like if it was a normal game |
| 02:00.02 | JademusSreg | PlayerSetDifficulty (int inPlayer, int inDifficulty); AIMeleeStart (int player); |
| 02:00.20 | JademusSreg | You call PlayerSetDifficulty first, then run AIMeleeStart. |
| 02:00.46 | JademusSreg | Because AIMeleeStart is dependent on the the value returned from Playerdifficulty. |
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| 02:01.09 | JademusSreg | I'm sure there are corresponding GUI actions. |
| 02:01.14 | Fenix | ok, and is there a way to stop an AI. |
| 02:02.20 | JademusSreg | Maybe. |
| 02:02.31 | Fenix | you dont really know :P |
| 02:02.39 | JademusSreg | There is a function AITimePause (bool inPause), dunno what it does. |
| 02:03.12 | JademusSreg | If you equate knowledge to certainty, then we are all ignorant in our tentative positions. |
| 02:04.41 | Fenix | is this a proverb? |
| 02:04.52 | JademusSreg | void EndMeleeScript (int player) { |
| 02:04.57 | JademusSreg | Found that. |
| 02:05.21 | JademusSreg | A proverb? Haha. |
| 02:05.51 | JademusSreg | It calls AISetMainState(player, e_mainState_Disabled, e_mainSubState_Unset); |
| 02:06.16 | JademusSreg | So that is the function you will want to call, or find a corresponding GUI action if you use GUI. |
| 02:07.01 | Fenix | if the AI start with easy setting and we try to change it to hard, is it possible or we must find a way to restart it? |
| 02:07.40 | Fenix | im not sure what is GUI |
| 02:07.52 | Wiz10011_ | Guys, what's the position of the top right of the screen? |
| 02:08.18 | Fenix | um, could it depends of your resolution? |
| 02:08.24 | JademusSreg | Probably by first disabling it with the lattermost function I showed ya, and then simply call the first two functions. You may also need to set its mainstate to a non-disabled state. |
| 02:08.38 | Wiz10011_ | Oh really Fenix? dang. |
| 02:08.42 | Fenix | idk |
| 02:08.48 | JademusSreg | Yeah, Fenix is correct. |
| 02:09.57 | JademusSreg | Of course, you might be able to get the player's resolution from dialogs. |
| 02:10.14 | JademusSreg | Create one with an anchor in each corner, then get positions and use the values to figure it out. |
| 02:10.19 | JoBoDo | whys that Wiz |
| 02:10.20 | JoBoDo | ? |
| 02:10.42 | Wiz10011_ | I want to have a trigger create a timer window and move it to the top right of the screen. |
| 02:10.50 | Fenix | brb, trying how the comp react to the set difficulty triggers. |
| 02:10.52 | JoBoDo | there is an anchor for the top right of the screen |
| 02:10.53 | JoBoDo | lol |
| 02:11.09 | JademusSreg | Dialogs already offer that sort of anchoring Wiz. Screw their crappy timer windows, anyway. |
| 02:11.17 | JoBoDo | yeah just use dialog :p |
| 02:11.29 | Wiz10011_ | Okay, thanks for the advice |
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| 02:19.15 | Wiz10011_ | So Im new to dialog, how do you make a timer in the dialog box? |
| 02:22.22 | slightlyrandom | You update the thing every second |
| 02:23.45 | JoBoDo | I'm not exactly sure wiz, i havent done timer in dialog before |
| 02:23.56 | JademusSreg | Update a dialog label. |
| 02:24.00 | JademusSreg | Pretty simple. |
| 02:24.01 | JoBoDo | and i can think of a way to do it, but it is probably overcomplicated and I'm betting there is an easier way |
| 02:24.21 | JoBoDo | but jade would you need to create timer yourself |
| 02:24.44 | JademusSreg | You need a counter (either a fixed or integer) a dialog, and a label. |
| 02:24.48 | JoBoDo | you' would have to say when seconds hits 60 restart and add 1 to minutes and when minutes hits 60 restart and add 1 to hours |
| 02:24.57 | JademusSreg | You can use a timer or a thread with a wait in it. |
| 02:25.02 | JademusSreg | Either way works. |
| 02:25.28 | Wiz10011_ | Think Ill use the thread of with, seems simpler for me to understand. |
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| 02:31.50 | slightlyrandom | Just use a timer |
| 02:32.03 | slightlyrandom | And print the content in the dialog |
| 02:32.15 | slightlyrandom | every second |
| 02:38.05 | JoBoDo | lol I knew my way would be complicated :p |
| 02:40.36 | Fenix | where you founded the: AISetMainState(player, e_mainState_Disabled, e_mainSubState_Unset); |
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| 02:51.08 | JademusSreg | In MeleeAI.galaxy, the function named EndMeleeAI, iirc. |
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| 03:00.58 | Fenix | i dont even know where is that MeleeAI.galaxy |
| 03:01.07 | Fenix | in the triggers, where it is? XD |
| 03:01.39 | Fenix | also, my test for the AI result in you need to specify it difficulty before starting it. |
| 03:01.47 | Fenix | and it work. |
| 03:02.05 | JademusSreg | I only use galaxy script. |
| 03:02.13 | JademusSreg | Also, I already demonstrated that. |
| 03:02.24 | JademusSreg | You call PlayerSetDifficulty first, then run AIMeleeStart. |
| 03:02.31 | JademusSreg | As I said earlier. |
| 03:02.33 | Fenix | yeah |
| 03:02.44 | Fenix | but for the stopping actions |
| 03:03.26 | Fenix | the "void EndMeleeScript (int player) {" where could it be in triggers |
| 03:03.51 | JoBoDo | jade |
| 03:03.55 | JoBoDo | how did you learn galaxy script |
| 03:04.02 | JoBoDo | im interested in it but dont know where to start |
| 03:04.16 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 03:04.20 | JoBoDo | I have small background/knoweldge in c# / c++ |
| 03:04.22 | JademusSreg | I'll explain. |
| 03:04.54 | JademusSreg | Find a package of or extract from the mpqs the complete set of galaxy files. |
| 03:05.05 | JademusSreg | You will use these as reference files. |
| 03:05.06 | Fenix | me? |
| 03:05.13 | JoBoDo | nah me |
| 03:05.13 | JademusSreg | No, Jobodo. |
| 03:05.17 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 03:05.19 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 03:05.22 | Fenix | xD |
| 03:05.22 | Fenix | kk |
| 03:05.49 | JademusSreg | As for the correpsonding GUI action for that function, it might not exist. |
| 03:06.37 | Fenix | well, i'll try to set the comp before controling the starting units. |
| 03:06.41 | JademusSreg | Continuing, after you've extracted your reference files, you can find an editor that suits your preference. SBeier's galaxy++ editor offers some Class features not seen in vanilla, but I won't use it until it's stable. |
| 03:07.09 | Fenix | how can it exist in code but not in triggers? |
| 03:07.19 | Fenix | =( |
| 03:07.21 | JademusSreg | I use notepad++, and use grim001's syntax highlighting and autocomplete user defined language. |
| 03:07.44 | JademusSreg | Fenix, because GUI triggerts compile to galaxy, so GUI is a subset of galaxy. |
| 03:08.30 | JademusSreg | Continuing, you can also write custom script directly in the editor. |
| 03:08.37 | Fenix | but triggers are in a easier way to read some galaxy code no? |
| 03:08.50 | JademusSreg | That's fine for small projects, but for larger ones, you'll use the SC2Components method. |
| 03:09.20 | JademusSreg | Whereby you save a map or mod as a SC2Components file, which causes it to unravel its contents to the given directory. |
| 03:09.38 | JademusSreg | And you can modify the files directly rather than rely on import/export. |
| 03:10.28 | JademusSreg | To include your scripts (modularly), just add an#include definition at the top (or in special cases, the bottom) of the generated map script. |
| 03:10.47 | JoBoDo | mm |
| 03:10.48 | JademusSreg | I think that covers the basics. |
| 03:11.11 | JoBoDo | and yeah Fenix, triggers CAN be easier to read (some times) |
| 03:11.19 | JoBoDo | but code you can write out faster |
| 03:11.22 | JoBoDo | and can sit their typing |
| 03:11.28 | JoBoDo | instead of having to mess around with your mouse |
| 03:11.35 | JoBoDo | going through dialog boxes etc |
| 03:11.39 | JademusSreg | Triggers are easier to read for people who aren't accustomed to writing code. |
| 03:11.39 | Fenix | haha |
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| 03:11.49 | Fenix | like me :P |
| 03:12.03 | JademusSreg | The same way I imagine Spanish is easier for people who write spanish. |
| 03:12.19 | JademusSreg | *easier to read |
| 03:12.26 | JoBoDo | lol yea |
| 03:12.30 | JoBoDo | thats a good way of putting i |
| 03:12.31 | JoBoDo | it* |
| 03:12.31 | Fenix | i suppose :P |
| 03:12.42 | Fenix | but it kinda easy if you speak french :P |
| 03:12.47 | JademusSreg | I find GUI bordering on the impossible to read. |
| 03:12.59 | JademusSreg | It's such a goddamn mess to look at. |
| 03:13.06 | JademusSreg | I just don't even bother. |
| 03:13.11 | Fenix | l:P |
| 03:13.45 | JoBoDo | lol i can agree |
| 03:13.51 | JoBoDo | gui is painful to look at sometimes |
| 03:13.57 | JoBoDo | especially in some of the more complicated stuff |
| 03:13.59 | Fenix | lol... |
| 03:14.09 | Fenix | thats why there is so many bugs with sc xD |
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| 03:15.46 | Mephs | ~sixen |
| 03:15.46 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, sixen is the type of guy who likes to stick his penis in other mans penises |
| 03:16.12 | JademusSreg | Hahaha. |
| 03:16.14 | Vailreth | this is insane... |
| 03:16.33 | Vailreth | why would an ability stop working? |
| 03:16.44 | Fenix | caus it doesnt exist =D |
| 03:16.50 | Vailreth | har har |
| 03:17.04 | Mephs | ~Vailreth |
| 03:17.04 | purl | methinks vailreth is not sure why an ability would stop working |
| 03:17.18 | JoBoDo | ~JoBoDo |
| 03:17.21 | JoBoDo | aw |
| 03:18.19 | Vailreth | yes i am not sure why a Default ability would stop working inbetween two testplays when no alteration were made to that ability. |
| 03:19.04 | Fenix | I got a question, anybody know why do I have this bug of duplicated label? http://i.imgur.com/5iVqa.jpg |
| 03:20.19 | JademusSreg | Redundant dependencies. |
| 03:20.36 | JademusSreg | Normally they should be prioritized though. That is odd. |
| 03:20.47 | Fenix | xD |
| 03:20.50 | JademusSreg | I'm guessing you have Liberty, Campaign, and Multi? |
| 03:21.00 | Fenix | nope |
| 03:21.35 | Fenix | i only got 2 map opened acutally. |
| 03:21.43 | Fenix | but generally it never do that |
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| 03:29.25 | Fenix | Well, i think ill come more often here :P Pretty usefull having some help. |
| 03:29.52 | Fenix | it can show yourselft that you are stupid and you just had to move down you trigger. xD |
| 03:32.02 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 03:33.38 | Fenix | what are you working on? |
| 03:39.48 | JoBoDo | I'm working on an ORPG |
| 03:40.00 | Fenix | 'O'rpg? |
| 03:40.06 | JoBoDo | Open rpg |
| 03:40.12 | Fenix | meaning? |
| 03:40.21 | JoBoDo | its more just a large world |
| 03:40.24 | JoBoDo | with plenty of stuff to do |
| 03:40.33 | Fenix | kk |
| 03:40.39 | JoBoDo | rather than, the princess wants you to free her from the dragon |
| 03:40.46 | Fenix | lol |
| 03:40.51 | JoBoDo | but yeah, you get your abilities/skills from killing enemies |
| 03:40.55 | JoBoDo | and occasionaly they drop theirs |
| 03:40.56 | JoBoDo | ;D |
| 03:41.01 | Fenix | :P |
| 03:41.06 | JoBoDo | so you can have heaps of differnt kinds |
| 03:41.08 | JoBoDo | gonna be sick |
| 03:41.50 | Fenix | where are you at ? :P |
| 03:41.52 | Fenix | in the making |
| 03:42.00 | JoBoDo | very very very early stages |
| 03:42.08 | JoBoDo | im new to the editor so im building it |
| 03:42.10 | JoBoDo | but learning as i go |
| 03:42.16 | Fenix | okk |
| 03:42.38 | Fenix | yeah, generally we got huge ideas but small capabilities xD |
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| 03:44.53 | Fenix | one step at a time... its f*ing long.... xD |
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| 03:46.28 | swizzersweet | yoyo |
| 03:46.34 | Fenix | geya |
| 03:46.37 | Fenix | heya* |
| 03:49.03 | JoBoDo | lol fenix so true |
| 03:49.07 | JoBoDo | what about you whats your plans for a map? |
| 03:49.21 | swizzersweet | mapping seems to take forever : ( |
| 03:49.26 | JoBoDo | lol ^ |
| 03:49.33 | JoBoDo | the only reason i make the map |
| 03:49.35 | JoBoDo | is cause i want to play it |
| 03:49.36 | JoBoDo | lol |
| 03:49.39 | swizzersweet | same |
| 03:49.47 | swizzersweet | tired of the same old bs |
| 03:49.47 | JoBoDo | whats ur idea? |
| 03:50.07 | swizzersweet | like |
| 03:50.17 | swizzersweet | a few things |
| 03:50.18 | JademusSreg | Jobo, how do you intend to handle these different abilities? |
| 03:50.23 | swizzersweet | 2v2v2v2 |
| 03:50.31 | JoBoDo | what do you mean handle them jade? |
| 03:50.34 | JademusSreg | Dynamic ability sets are not supported in SC2 (as they werei n wc3). |
| 03:51.06 | JoBoDo | if they pick up item |
| 03:51.06 | JademusSreg | Which is to say, you cannot add and remove abilities from units at runtime. |
| 03:51.06 | JademusSreg | Ah, items. |
| 03:51.06 | JoBoDo | orly |
| 03:51.07 | JoBoDo | yea |
| 03:51.08 | JoBoDo | items |
| 03:51.11 | JademusSreg | Goot. |
| 03:51.19 | JoBoDo | but like |
| 03:51.20 | JademusSreg | That should work well. |
| 03:51.24 | swizzersweet | you'd have to do trickery ? |
| 03:51.26 | Fenix | I'm doing a dual 1v1 map to pratice multitasking |
| 03:51.29 | swizzersweet | ie, swap in for another unit |
| 03:51.44 | Fenix | there is a remade of a blizz's map and copy/past |
| 03:51.49 | Fenix | on left side and right side |
| 03:51.52 | JoBoDo | nah swizzer there would be to many complications with that |
| 03:51.53 | Fenix | you have to control both |
| 03:51.56 | JoBoDo | combinations* |
| 03:52.02 | JoBoDo | nice* |
| 03:52.04 | JoBoDo | ah okay fenix nic |
| 03:52.07 | JoBoDo | so like something to help you practice |
| 03:52.13 | Fenix | yup |
| 03:52.18 | JoBoDo | smart |
| 03:52.18 | JademusSreg | Fenix, that is clever. |
| 03:52.20 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 03:52.25 | Fenix | the maps we can find actually is not that good |
| 03:52.25 | swizzersweet | yeah i suppose it could easily get out of control |
| 03:52.33 | Fenix | i dont like moving a probe around |
| 03:52.34 | Fenix | xD |
| 03:52.35 | JoBoDo | yeah jade, my original plan was to have usable items which gave you the ability |
| 03:52.52 | JoBoDo | but if it doesnt let that happen, I guess the items themselves will be the ability |
| 03:53.54 | JoBoDo | and yeah swizzer I want like 100+ abilities |
| 03:54.01 | JoBoDo | not at the same time ofc, but to choose from |
| 03:54.07 | Shawn|Rawr | You won't by the end |
| 03:54.09 | swizzersweet | why ? |
| 03:54.13 | Shawn|Rawr | Abilities and crap are hard |
| 03:54.23 | JoBoDo | nawh, ill do it shawn :p |
| 03:54.25 | swizzersweet | no choice is bad |
| 03:54.27 | swizzersweet | some choice is good |
| 03:54.33 | swizzersweet | too much choice is worse than no choice |
| 03:54.44 | Fenix | it depends |
| 03:54.46 | swizzersweet | - words of science |
| 03:54.54 | JoBoDo | swizzer, when you kill monsters, the monster has a chance to drop an ability |
| 03:54.58 | Fenix | too much choice can be very good if they are not at the same time |
| 03:55.01 | JoBoDo | one that it has, or a rare one |
| 03:55.06 | JoBoDo | yeah exactly it wont be at the same time |
| 03:55.20 | Fenix | would you like to play wow if you start lvl 85 and you must place 50 ability? |
| 03:55.23 | JoBoDo | it will be as your killing stuff, mobs may drop abilities which you could choose to take or not |
| 03:55.23 | Fenix | i dont think so |
| 03:55.36 | JoBoDo | lol I would hate that |
| 03:55.53 | JoBoDo | but lots of choice is good as long as its tapered :p |
| 03:56.23 | Fenix | do the choice ingame as you did to make them.... "One at a time" XD |
| 03:56.36 | JoBoDo | 100x99x98x97x96x95 |
| 03:56.49 | Fenix | this might be a huge number. |
| 03:56.54 | JoBoDo | yeah lol |
| 03:56.58 | JoBoDo | i dont think unit swapping wud work |
| 03:56.58 | JoBoDo | :o |
| 03:57.10 | swizzersweet | there aren't htat many hard choices in wow |
| 03:57.21 | JoBoDo | there isnt |
| 03:57.28 | JoBoDo | but if you started at 85 you would be overwhelmed |
| 03:57.41 | swizzersweet | yeah |
| 03:59.33 | Fenix | I'm actually making a starting menu to choose the computer difficulty at the beggening |
| 04:00.52 | Fenix | i will eventually have a huge problem :P |
| 04:01.23 | swizzersweet | the people who make FPS out of sc2 are silly imo |
| 04:01.40 | Fenix | haha |
| 04:01.58 | Fenix | go play COD if you wish to do a FPS xD |
| 04:02.04 | swizzersweet | even the best sc2 shooter mod will be terrible compared to a real shooter game |
| 04:02.11 | Fenix | yeah |
| 04:02.13 | swizzersweet | ie, quake , hl, cod |
| 04:02.24 | swizzersweet | so when i see that, i have to wonder |
| 04:02.39 | Fenix | Unreal Tournament 1 vs The Best Mod Of Starcraft 2 ! |
| 04:03.16 | swizzersweet | ut is pretty good engine |
| 04:03.19 | swizzersweet | can be tricky like anything else |
| 04:04.32 | Fenix | UT1 is funny :P |
| 04:04.42 | swizzersweet | Tim Sweeney is a genius |
| 04:04.50 | Fenix | who's that pokemon? |
| 04:05.24 | swizzersweet | you know John Carmack? |
| 04:05.33 | Fenix | neg |
| 04:06.08 | swizzersweet | John Carmack, Tim Sweeney some of the most inspirational programmers for game engines |
| 04:06.15 | swizzersweet | of course there are many unsung heroes |
| 04:06.24 | Fenix | haha :P |
| 04:06.32 | swizzersweet | but a lot of the code they figured out is still used in games today |
| 04:06.39 | Fenix | Ok, then, I suppose I should say thanx to them |
| 04:06.41 | swizzersweet | or concepts i should say |
| 04:07.17 | swizzersweet | they have been thanked 'millions' of times already |
| 04:07.29 | Fenix | xD |
| 04:10.00 | Shawn|Rawr | It's interesting listening to US history from a different point of view than the crap they teach you in school. |
| 04:10.55 | swizzersweet | like Europe? Where are the history comes from |
| 04:11.28 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 04:11.33 | Fenix | well, here in Quebec we do speak of us, US and Europe, and some more places. |
| 04:11.42 | Shawn|Rawr | No, a US historian that has done lots more research than most retards who write the high school textbooks |
| 04:11.53 | swizzersweet | love the "here in quebec" not canada :D |
| 04:12.00 | Fenix | yeah |
| 04:12.01 | JademusSreg | Jobo, items are the way to go, definitely. |
| 04:12.03 | Fenix | totally |
| 04:12.04 | Fenix | :P |
| 04:12.18 | swizzersweet | <-- Ottaaw |
| 04:12.27 | swizzersweet | we go to quebec for brief visits to get alcohol at costco |
| 04:12.32 | swizzersweet | Fenix, paint your roads bro |
| 04:12.38 | swizzersweet | lol |
| 04:12.47 | Fenix | Canada, canadians, this mean english people. Québec, Québécois, this is =DDDD |
| 04:13.02 | Fenix | yeah roads are killing cars |
| 04:13.02 | Fenix | xD |
| 04:13.04 | JoBoDo | yeah jade |
| 04:13.07 | swizzersweet | a country within a ocountry |
| 04:13.12 | JoBoDo | ill have a bar for specific items (ability ones) |
| 04:13.18 | JoBoDo | just like an action bar |
| 04:13.22 | swizzersweet | some things about quebec are cool, others are retarded |
| 04:13.37 | Fenix | lol.. |
| 04:13.47 | JoBoDo | the only similarity they have to items is that enemies drop them and u pick them up >_> |
| 04:13.51 | Shawn|Rawr | I always just thought that French + Canadian = Bad Idea |
| 04:14.06 | swizzersweet | theres another equatino though |
| 04:14.13 | swizzersweet | French + Canadian + Chick = hot |
| 04:14.14 | Fenix | i got a problem with "Melee - Create melee starting units for all players" |
| 04:14.19 | Fenix | lol |
| 04:14.34 | swizzersweet | french chicks dress better than any of their bordering countries |
| 04:14.40 | swizzersweet | or 'provinces' |
| 04:14.42 | Fenix | xD |
| 04:14.51 | Shawn|Rawr | So I need to go to Quebec, pick up a chick, and promise her a better life in America. |
| 04:14.52 | Shawn|Rawr | Awesome |
| 04:15.18 | swizzersweet | cept you need to learn some french |
| 04:15.38 | swizzersweet | unless your on west island montreal |
| 04:15.43 | swizzersweet | they speak english |
| 04:15.53 | JademusSreg | Well, you'll need to use items are abilities rather than ability proxies, since ya can't add abilities to units at runtime. So they are like items in every way, I assert. =D |
| 04:15.53 | Fenix | if that melle trigger dont start with Map initialization, if there is a Zerg created, the creep is not spread and the 3 starting larvas are not spawning. |
| 04:17.01 | swizzersweet | my friends are getting engaged and shit, i'm making a custom sc2 map |
| 04:17.05 | swizzersweet | wtf am i doing... |
| 04:17.07 | JoBoDo | lol, no, they are abilities :p |
| 04:17.10 | JoBoDo | im cheating the system ^_^ |
| 04:17.52 | Shawn|Rawr | swizz, I'm getting married in 5 years.. so you're fine until then |
| 04:18.03 | Fenix | how old are you? |
| 04:18.05 | Fenix | :P |
| 04:18.06 | Shawn|Rawr | 20 |
| 04:18.06 | swizzersweet | 24 |
| 04:18.12 | Fenix | 18 >.< |
| 04:18.20 | JoBoDo | 19 |
| 04:18.21 | swizzersweet | started career at 23 |
| 04:18.23 | JoBoDo | where's everyone from? |
| 04:18.29 | Fenix | Qc =D |
| 04:18.30 | swizzersweet | Ottawa, Ontario, Canada |
| 04:18.46 | Shawn|Rawr | Las Vegas NV and currently in Macon GA for another month |
| 04:18.53 | Fenix | Quebec, North America, Earth, Space |
| 04:18.53 | JoBoDo | Adelaide, South Australia |
| 04:19.00 | swizzersweet | going to vegas next week actually :D |
| 04:19.07 | Fenix | :O |
| 04:19.10 | Shawn|Rawr | I won't be there, but I know someone who is |
| 04:19.10 | swizzersweet | milky way fenix, lets not forget |
| 04:19.13 | Fenix | too big for me |
| 04:19.14 | swizzersweet | never forget your roots |
| 04:19.15 | Shawn|Rawr | lots of people actually |
| 04:19.37 | Fenix | oh I wont forget the french ;) |
| 04:19.59 | Fenix | Ici, on se fait servir en français! |
| 04:20.45 | Fenix | So, any idea how to fix my starting units? |
| 04:20.59 | Shawn|Rawr | So ya.. Amsterdam is slowly starting to outlaw pot |
| 04:21.07 | Shawn|Rawr | horrible situation |
| 04:21.40 | JoBoDo | you're going to have to make event and action for them |
| 04:21.54 | JoBoDo | i dont think you can place more than one starting location for eac player |
| 04:22.08 | Fenix | there is not? |
| 04:22.14 | JoBoDo | wtf shawn are u srs |
| 04:22.19 | Shawn|Rawr | Yessir |
| 04:22.22 | JademusSreg | Adelaide, my wife was born there, iirc. |
| 04:22.28 | JoBoDo | oh really jade? |
| 04:22.32 | JoBoDo | =O |
| 04:22.46 | JademusSreg | It's also the name of a city in my fiction, but that is entirely deliberate. |
| 04:23.04 | JoBoDo | lol :p |
| 04:23.12 | Fenix | I might be able to create the units without starting the game... :P |
| 04:23.21 | Fenix | but this is a workaround :P |
| 04:23.24 | swizzersweet | Canada and USA are going the other direction anyways |
| 04:23.25 | JademusSreg | Anyway, items can be used as abilities, but they can't add abilities to units. =D |
| 04:23.28 | Fenix | not the best solution |
| 04:23.39 | JoBoDo | yea but jade |
| 04:23.44 | JoBoDo | to the player it could still LOOK |
| 04:23.48 | JoBoDo | like they're being added to the unit :p |
| 04:23.51 | Shawn|Rawr | Amsterdam is saying that tourists won't be allowed to smoke pot anymore |
| 04:23.53 | JademusSreg | Fenix, there is an action I expect to create the melee units. |
| 04:24.10 | JademusSreg | Because there is a native function to create them. |
| 04:24.12 | Shawn|Rawr | Along with a ID card for Dutch who do use pot that would be scanned everytime they do it |
| 04:24.29 | Fenix | yes it does. But if it is not starting at the game initialization, the zerg creep and larvars are not spawning correctly |
| 04:24.58 | JademusSreg | I am skeptical. What is the name of the action you're using? |
| 04:25.27 | Fenix | Set starting units for all players? |
| 04:26.03 | JademusSreg | You can do it for individual players, as well. |
| 04:26.23 | JademusSreg | That is the function to which I refer. |
| 04:26.35 | Shawn|Rawr | Actually, Amsterdam the city is fighting it.. but the Netherlands the country gov't is pushing it |
| 04:26.35 | Fenix | individually or simultanatly it wont change the fact that creep and larvas wont spawn correctly XD |
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| 04:26.48 | JademusSreg | MeleeInitUnitsForPlayer (int player, string race, point position); |
| 04:27.48 | Fenix | ok well. I'll try something and hope it works. |
| 04:28.20 | Shawn|Rawr | Anyway, what are you working on Jade? |
| 04:31.06 | JademusSreg | Me? Hm, I've been playing Terraria the past few weeks. |
| 04:31.11 | JademusSreg | I'm nearly burnt out on it. |
| 04:32.42 | Vailreth | any plans for map work after you are burt out on Terraria |
| 04:32.54 | Shawn|Rawr | He was supposed to ask me for help on a map |
| 04:32.58 | Shawn|Rawr | That was a while ago lol |
| 04:33.44 | JademusSreg | Hm, I still haven't finished the PC update, I must admit. |
| 04:33.59 | JademusSreg | Also, I have ideas, but nothing set in stone. |
| 04:34.11 | JademusSreg | I'm considering moving to a different platform. |
| 04:34.12 | Fenix | aw.... what is the trigger to give units from a player to another i dont remember |
| 04:34.21 | JoBoDo | aww why jade :c |
| 04:34.23 | Vailreth | i am thinking of including a reference to sonic the hedgehog in my death egg tool tip |
| 04:36.30 | JademusSreg | Well, I have ideas that cannot be well implemented in the SC2 engine. |
| 04:36.52 | JademusSreg | So the sensible option is to use a different engine rather than force an engine to behave unnaturally. |
| 04:36.57 | JoBoDo | am i allowed to know? ;D |
| 04:37.19 | Shawn|Rawr | Well Jade, if you are thinking about using a different game engine, I can go crazy on that too |
| 04:37.22 | Fenix | waht is that stupid trigger to give units?? |
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| 04:38.58 | Shawn|Rawr | Change Owner |
| 04:39.09 | Fenix | thanx |
| 04:39.13 | Fenix | ♥ |
| 04:40.25 | Frostwind | hi.............. |
| 04:40.56 | Shawn|Rawr | No Bitching |
| 04:41.01 | JademusSreg | I keep most of my shit private. I don't care to discuss anything on which I am working until it is near completion, because anyone who has spent time in any of the hobbiest communities knows those people who hype more than they ever complete their projects, and this is all the more common on the internet. |
| 04:41.29 | JademusSreg | And I was like that too when I was young. =D |
| 04:41.41 | swizzersweet | same here jade |
| 04:41.42 | Shawn|Rawr | Please Jade, You'd be the lead. I wouldn't ever say shit |
| 04:41.44 | Shawn|Rawr | :D |
| 04:41.53 | swizzersweet | now I'll do zero hype until it's done |
| 04:42.17 | swizzersweet | "Here is this thing I made" |
| 04:43.52 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 04:44.22 | swizzersweet | i realized I'm too much of a control freak, so I want to keep the team size to 1, MAYBE 2 |
| 04:44.37 | Shawn|Rawr | I like a team to be atleast 33 |
| 04:44.56 | swizzersweet | this way, we can spend 99% of our time talking about what needs to be done |
| 04:44.58 | Fenix | wow com'on at less 150 players per team |
| 04:45.00 | Fenix | xD |
| 04:47.41 | swizzersweet | tired of coding : / |
| 04:47.47 | Fenix | lol |
| 04:47.49 | Fenix | go sleep |
| 04:47.51 | Fenix | xD |
| 04:47.52 | Vailreth | " when deploying the Death Egg, be aware of any Exceedingly high speed Hedgehogs in the area" |
| 04:48.06 | swizzersweet | i dream of this map completed |
| 04:48.17 | swizzersweet | sometimes, other times its the usuall |
| 04:48.34 | Vailreth | i dream of the X Men and Ben10 having strange crossovers .... |
| 04:49.16 | Vailreth | professor X is cool with a square bladed techno scythe and nanomorphic armor... |
| 04:49.20 | swizzersweet | ever see "Adventure Time" |
| 04:49.22 | Fenix | i dont remember my dreams :P |
| 04:49.44 | Vailreth | well the blade was really a rectangle.. |
| 04:49.58 | Fenix | well for today, my map is completed. :P |
| 04:50.10 | Fenix | Tomorrow will still be the most that shitty thing to do |
| 04:50.21 | JademusSreg | Adventure Time is lovely. |
| 04:50.31 | Vailreth | eh i couldnt get in to it |
| 04:50.43 | Fenix | find a way to split the resources from the left base and the right base without being able to use both income for one base |
| 04:50.51 | JademusSreg | Did you play Dungeons & Dragons Vail? |
| 04:51.09 | Vailreth | no ive never had enough friends ... though i have wanted to |
| 04:51.39 | Fenix | will you guys be there tomorrow? |
| 04:51.50 | Fenix | and ready to help a stupid (me) |
| 04:51.51 | Fenix | xD |
| 04:51.55 | JademusSreg | Experience with tabletop roleplaying is an important, though optional, requirement to enjoying that cartoon. |
| 04:52.01 | JademusSreg | Fenix, I am always on. |
| 04:52.11 | Fenix | lol. |
| 04:52.12 | swizzersweet | very hard to watch adventure time with a straight face |
| 04:52.15 | JademusSreg | I may not always be awake, but am always on. |
| 04:52.17 | swizzersweet | the plot changes so quickly |
| 04:52.31 | Fenix | how can you be always on, you never eat, sleep, go to washroom? |
| 04:52.40 | Fenix | okk |
| 04:53.04 | Vailreth | i have never sucessfully played a table top rpg i well do not posses enough friends ... |
| 04:53.19 | Fenix | you can play alone ;P |
| 04:53.22 | Vailreth | and its not really the kinda of thing you can do alone as far as i can tell, |
| 04:53.46 | JademusSreg | There are online groups that play tabletop roleplaying games. |
| 04:53.50 | Fenix | what time is it for you? |
| 04:54.15 | swizzersweet | JademusSreg dont scare me |
| 04:54.21 | Fenix | here it is 1ham |
| 04:54.36 | Vailreth | nearly midnight for me |
| 04:54.50 | swizzersweet | if i could tap tab in real life to get more names right, i would be more popular |
| 04:55.15 | Vailreth | heh |
| 04:55.19 | Fenix | I wish my map get popular :P |
| 04:55.37 | JademusSreg | Being concerned with popularity is silly. |
| 04:55.41 | JademusSreg | I opine. |
| 04:55.53 | swizzersweet | i think if you build a website and improve the game |
| 04:55.58 | swizzersweet | it will become popular |
| 04:56.03 | swizzersweet | too many games get 'figured out' |
| 04:56.06 | Vailreth | i just want some one else to enjoy my mad tinkerings |
| 04:56.18 | Fenix | is SC2Mapster fine for that :P |
| 04:56.22 | swizzersweet | whats your game Vailreth ? |
| 04:56.58 | Vailreth | as a part of Team dead a head we are working on a variation of DotA |
| 04:56.59 | JademusSreg | I haven't improved my map in months and it's mid-page 2. If you make something fun, get some people to play it, it will gain popularity. |
| 04:57.20 | Vailreth | as much as DotA is a variation of RTS games in general |
| 04:57.21 | swizzersweet | page 2? thats awesome |
| 04:57.25 | swizzersweet | which game |
| 04:57.39 | Fenix | well, if it is only a map alone, it will be kinda hard to make it popular |
| 04:57.39 | JademusSreg | Beyond that, it's about competition; there's only so many people with so much time that constitutes the custom game market share. |
| 04:57.45 | JademusSreg | Photon Cycles. |
| 04:58.04 | Fenix | map at 12 players also are hard to make popular caus it needs too many players |
| 04:58.14 | Fenix | GJ For Photon Cycles EPIC |
| 04:58.29 | Fenix | best map players slot is like 4-8 |
| 04:58.30 | swizzersweet | 8 player maps are popular |
| 04:58.42 | swizzersweet | maps that support like 8 - 16 players well do well |
| 04:58.57 | Fenix | 16 players is supported? |
| 04:59.00 | JademusSreg | Making a map that -requires- a high number of players is just not a good design. I remember back in wc3, there were maps that didn't even work correctly if it didn't have some arbitrary numnber of players. |
| 04:59.10 | JademusSreg | Up to 15 players can be in one game. |
| 04:59.11 | JademusSreg | iirc |
| 04:59.18 | JademusSreg | Also, thanks. |
| 04:59.28 | swizzersweet | more than 8 is pushing it |
| 04:59.31 | Fenix | what happend with the 16tth player? |
| 05:00.01 | swizzersweet | also, if 1 player on a team leaves, the game should be smart in helping the remaining player |
| 05:00.03 | Fenix | Can we use the Neutral as a player and the Hostile also? |
| 05:00.17 | JademusSreg | Maps don't load if they have more than 15 players in total, counting all designations. |
| 05:00.31 | Fenix | umum... |
| 05:00.34 | Fenix | snif. |
| 05:00.48 | Fenix | what would be epic is a non-stop map |
| 05:00.55 | Fenix | a map that you can join at anytime |
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| 05:01.12 | Vailreth | blizzard has that.. |
| 05:01.19 | Vailreth | its called WoW |
| 05:01.22 | Fenix | lol |
| 05:01.25 | JademusSreg | You mean persistent content. |
| 05:01.33 | JademusSreg | Yeah, that would be great. |
| 05:01.57 | JademusSreg | Joining active games would be nice, but I do not see that happening in SC2. |
| 05:02.05 | Fenix | dont play with words. I know my english is... medium good xD |
| 05:02.12 | Fenix | yeah.. |
| 05:03.03 | Fenix | idk how it could work that kind of game |
| 05:03.44 | Vailreth | i had an idea that emulated table top roleplay in a way.. |
| 05:03.48 | hawker | Not sure whether to buy minecraft or terraria -___- |
| 05:03.50 | hawker | severe issue |
| 05:03.55 | Fenix | lol... |
| 05:03.59 | Fenix | minecraft |
| 05:04.06 | swizzersweet | minecraft is objectiveless |
| 05:04.13 | Fenix | what an epic game |
| 05:04.15 | swizzersweet | terraria has some objectives |
| 05:04.19 | Fenix | with gay graphics |
| 05:04.29 | Vailreth | nothing wrong with two d |
| 05:05.05 | hawker | quite the dilemna |
| 05:06.24 | Fenix | hey |
| 05:06.30 | Fenix | want to take a look to my map |
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| 05:06.38 | Fenix | what it is looking for now? |
| 05:06.51 | Vailreth | any way folks im gone its time for me to sleep |
| 05:07.01 | Fenix | ok |
| 05:07.03 | Fenix | i should too |
| 05:07.04 | Fenix | :P |
| 05:07.33 | Fenix | so |
| 05:07.42 | Fenix | anyone want to try my map? |
| 05:07.42 | Fenix | :P |
| 05:08.10 | Wiz10011_ | WoW some women wore a Nova cosplay to comic con. |
| 05:09.16 | Fenix | anyone? |
| 05:09.47 | Fenix | well, good night all |
| 05:11.04 | swizzersweet | nighyyyy |
| 05:18.11 | XenoX101 | skizot you there |
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| 05:29.32 | JoBoDo | ur back :o |
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| 05:36.51 | mapsterman | sup sons ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
| 05:38.42 | Mexa|Tee | Going to bed! |
| 05:40.43 | JoBoDo | heys ;D |
| 05:43.19 | hawker | well, terraria costs les monies |
| 05:43.24 | hawker | :D |
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| 05:51.52 | JoBoDo | Xorioz you there mate? |
| 05:53.10 | Caz | Can i make hidden terrain cells not appear on minimap? |
| 05:53.30 | Caz | I'd much rather a black background or something on minimap over showing hidden cells :/ |
| 05:55.31 | Caz | Dont get why the minimap would show something that was set to hidden :/ |
| 05:55.39 | JoBoDo | yeah thats odd |
| 05:56.01 | Caz | "Hide terrain cells" does not take if off minimap |
| 05:57.24 | JoBoDo | Can I add more than one effect to a weapon? o.o |
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| 06:03.19 | Caz | JoBoDo .. i think a weapon can only generate 1 effect, while a single effect can spawn another effect |
| 06:03.33 | JoBoDo | yeah |
| 06:03.36 | JoBoDo | hmm |
| 06:05.00 | JoBoDo | okay how about this |
| 06:05.04 | JoBoDo | is there a way to create your own flags |
| 06:05.15 | hawker | Ok, just trolled myself really hard -____- |
| 06:05.18 | hawker | i need to get more sleep |
| 06:05.20 | hawker | -____- |
| 06:07.02 | Caz | hawker, how do u remove terrain cells so that the minmap stops displaying them :/ |
| 06:07.18 | hawker | What is the minimap displaying? |
| 06:07.34 | Caz | All the cells where i used "Hide terrain cell" brush |
| 06:07.39 | hawker | Still reeling from the stupidity of my actions :| |
| 06:07.41 | hawker | hmm |
| 06:07.41 | Caz | Still showing the default background cells |
| 06:07.45 | Caz | err not background |
| 06:07.51 | Caz | but the default terrain cells created on the background |
| 06:07.59 | hawker | i dont know, sorry |
| 06:08.16 | Caz | You've never wanted the background to show through =s ? |
| 06:08.32 | Nash|327 | hawker give kittuns |
| 06:08.39 | hawker | :| |
| 06:08.40 | Nash|327 | or I ragequit |
| 06:08.44 | hawker | i feel like a moron |
| 06:08.45 | hawker | :| |
| 06:08.48 | hawker | gives kittun |
| 06:08.53 | Nash|327 | :D! |
| 06:08.56 | Caz | Nash make these terrain cells go away lol |
| 06:08.57 | hawker | :| |
| 06:09.04 | Caz | pew pew them with kittun gun |
| 06:09.12 | Nash|327 | pewpew |
| 06:09.21 | JoBoDo | nash, is there a way to create my own flags? |
| 06:09.22 | Caz | still on minimap .. gun failed |
| 06:09.38 | Nash|327 | What are flags? |
| 06:09.59 | JoBoDo | in like |
| 06:10.01 | JoBoDo | effects |
| 06:10.05 | JoBoDo | and some other places there are flags |
| 06:10.13 | JoBoDo | some of the effect ones are like |
| 06:10.15 | JoBoDo | no gain energy |
| 06:10.16 | JoBoDo | no gain life |
| 06:10.18 | JoBoDo | no gain shields |
| 06:10.19 | JoBoDo | no kill credit |
| 06:10.20 | Nash|327 | Those flags... |
| 06:10.24 | JoBoDo | yeah those flags |
| 06:10.30 | Nash|327 | I strongly doubt it. |
| 06:10.49 | JoBoDo | hmm, maybe you can give me an alternative then |
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| 06:11.03 | Nash|327 | I have no idea what you are doing. |
| 06:11.14 | JoBoDo | i was about to explain :p |
| 06:11.56 | JoBoDo | what I'm trying to do is, check to see what kind of 'base stat' a weapon my hero has equipped is using |
| 06:12.22 | JoBoDo | so i can use it in a condition |
| 06:12.35 | Nash|327 | What is a base stat? |
| 06:12.41 | JoBoDo | its nothing |
| 06:12.59 | JoBoDo | im trying to check if equipped weapon has the value 0, 1, or 2 on it |
| 06:13.13 | JoBoDo | like, base stat is just my word for it |
| 06:13.17 | JoBoDo | its nothing technical |
| 06:13.47 | Nash|327 | does each weapon have a fixed number? |
| 06:13.58 | JoBoDo | thats what im trying to give them |
| 06:14.06 | JoBoDo | but dont know how |
| 06:14.07 | Nash|327 | make a function |
| 06:14.15 | Nash|327 | with Weapon game link as parameter |
| 06:14.21 | Nash|327 | that returns a number |
| 06:14.41 | JoBoDo | how would i go about that? |
| 06:14.42 | JoBoDo | lol |
| 06:14.54 | Nash|327 | create new function |
| 06:17.32 | hawker | durrrrrrp |
| 06:17.45 | Nash|327 | herper |
| 06:18.22 | JoBoDo | nah i've got it all sorted now |
| 06:18.27 | JoBoDo | thanks for the help Nash =) |
| 06:18.33 | Nash|327 | give kittuns |
| 06:18.56 | JoBoDo | I made it rain kittens |
| 06:18.58 | JoBoDo | look out the window |
| 06:18.59 | JoBoDo | :) |
| 06:19.02 | Nash|327 | :o |
| 06:20.31 | JademusSreg | Any questuions before I retire for the evening? |
| 06:20.37 | JademusSreg | *questions |
| 06:21.34 | Nash|327 | Only inane ones. |
| 06:26.20 | Nash|327 | how do i shot web, etc |
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| 06:31.34 | hawker | oh god |
| 06:31.40 | hawker | fixed horrific failure |
| 06:31.48 | hawker | *oh good |
| 06:32.11 | hawker | You log off Jad 0___0 |
| 06:34.10 | JoBoDo | lol grats hawk :p |
| 06:35.08 | hawker | i'm glad i didnt end up wasting $10 |
| 06:35.10 | hawker | lol |
| 06:35.50 | hawker | Anyway Nash |
| 06:35.58 | hawker | I'll check again in the morning |
| 06:36.08 | hawker | But I believe that there is Omega-level pathing |
| 06:36.11 | hawker | In all areas of the map |
| 06:36.23 | hawker | Some of it isn't particularly pretty due to the fences though |
| 06:38.05 | Nash|327 | no worries |
| 06:38.42 | Nash|327 | I'm tired D; |
| 06:39.24 | JoBoDo | how do you call functions D: |
| 06:40.32 | Nash|327 | you use their return value |
| 06:42.17 | hawker | use a telephone |
| 06:42.20 | hawker | symbols |
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| 06:47.41 | hawker | I tried to find a good picture of mah kittuns to upload nash |
| 06:47.46 | hawker | but alas |
| 06:47.47 | hawker | i could not |
| 06:48.01 | Nash|327 | Take one |
| 06:48.07 | Nash|327 | Paper bag + camera |
| 06:48.18 | hawker | I don't have a camerea :| |
| 06:48.26 | hawker | parents' is floating around somewhere |
| 06:48.43 | hawker | I'll try to find a picture later today |
| 06:48.46 | hawker | in the morning proper |
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| 06:49.51 | Nash|327 | MUST HAVE KITTUNS |
| 06:50.52 | hawker | http://www.boreal-cats.com/photos/blocke/hooly.jpg |
| 06:51.17 | Nash|327 | :G! |
| 06:51.21 | hawker | Alright, let's see how fun terraria is |
| 06:51.25 | hawker | i love that breed heh |
| 06:51.38 | Nash|327 | I got hiccups |
| 06:51.45 | Nash|327 | Make it stop. |
| 06:52.30 | XorioZ | take a deep breath, hold it in and try to relax your stomachs insides and muscles. |
| 06:52.43 | Nash|327 | eat oakmeal |
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| 06:52.53 | XorioZ | w8 a while and then relaxe. |
| 06:53.01 | XorioZ | exhale slowly |
| 06:53.18 | XorioZ | it works for me. |
| 06:53.22 | Nash|327 | well it seemed to be brief |
| 06:57.56 | Nash|327 | wonder if I can get my weight down to 60 kg just for the hell of it |
| 06:58.42 | hawker | in your case, it wouldn't surprise me |
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| 06:59.00 | Nash|327 | I'm at 66 atm |
| 06:59.17 | Nash|327 | Could be an interesting experiment. |
| 07:02.05 | Nash|327 | anyways, I think I'm gonna sleep now :G |
| 07:02.12 | hawker | k |
| 07:02.17 | Nash|327 | kekeke |
| 07:02.21 | hawker | i'm going to continuin terrairing |
| 07:02.30 | Nash|327 | and bag kittuns |
| 07:14.18 | XorioZ | 66kg. man how small is nash? |
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| 07:47.15 | WIz10011 | Hello. |
| 07:51.51 | Currydevil | hai |
| 07:53.46 | WIz10011 | Yo curry, If i change the Info - Time for a upgrade, that's the actual research time or just the time it shows on the icon? |
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| 07:59.10 | Wiz10011 | nevermind. |
| 08:02.06 | Wiz10011 | Anyway, I could use some help to try and figure out a way to do a trigger if anyone could help. |
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| 08:04.51 | Currydevil | what kind of trigger? |
| 08:05.30 | Currydevil | btw i think it's cost - time for the actual time it takes. |
| 08:05.55 | Currydevil | but i haven't looked at upgrades in a while, dunno what the field is. |
| 08:06.09 | Wiz10011 | I would like a trigger to run when a unit enters a region, it starts a timer and countdown, and when its done it gives the owner of that unit 1 gas. I can do all of this myself, but it seem to start twice or more if 2 units enter at the same time, I want it to run only once and dont run again if it's already running. |
| 08:07.20 | Wiz10011 | I tested it Curry, Info- time does change the actual build time. |
| 08:07.25 | Wiz10011 | Thanks though |
| 08:08.10 | Agouti | it may be as with units |
| 08:08.17 | Wiz10011 | But can I use a condition to check if the current trigger is already running? |
| 08:08.25 | Agouti | where you can set the cost both on the unit and the build ability |
| 08:08.42 | Agouti | You could use a variable for the very easily. |
| 08:08.49 | Agouti | Global boolean TrigIsRunning |
| 08:09.01 | Agouti | condition: trigisrunning==false |
| 08:09.11 | Agouti | first action: set var trigisrunning = true; |
| 08:09.14 | Agouti | last action |
| 08:09.15 | Agouti | set false |
| 08:09.17 | Agouti | ez |
| 08:10.10 | Wiz10011 | So comparison? |
| 08:10.25 | Agouti | ya |
| 08:11.41 | Currydevil | aye |
| 08:11.44 | Currydevil | hai agouti. |
| 08:12.02 | Wiz10011 | so should the global variable be false? (The value for the variable, not the condition yet) |
| 08:12.12 | Currydevil | fixed my missile. i had a stupid field not changed right |
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| 08:12.21 | Currydevil | it should be false to begin with |
| 08:12.31 | Currydevil | when the unit enters the region, then you set it to true |
| 08:12.44 | Wiz10011 | Okay thank you |
| 08:12.52 | Currydevil | and you should put like a .1 wait after it, just to make sure it gets enough time before it does the other actions |
| 08:13.26 | Currydevil | i've set variables before like that, and without the wait it moves on to the next action too fast |
| 08:13.40 | Wiz10011 | Okay, thank you two very much. |
| 08:13.43 | Currydevil | and the next action usually depends on what the var is set to xD |
| 08:14.25 | Currydevil | I need to get my creative juices flowing.. I would like a few more abilities to round out my heroes. bah! |
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| 08:22.45 | Agouti | Just double checking, you can't set WC3 style names for heroes, can you? |
| 08:23.09 | Agouti | as in, an array of names that each individual unit's name is chosen from at random |
| 08:24.20 | Wiz10011 | I been wondering that for awhile. |
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| 08:29.03 | Currydevil | You could if you made labels for the hero |
| 08:29.10 | Currydevil | you probably can't rename the unitm id game |
| 08:29.22 | Currydevil | but you can make a label to show above the unit |
| 08:29.36 | Currydevil | I did that with the player names so you could see who was who on the field. |
| 08:30.08 | Currydevil | you just have to attach them to the unit. I can't exactly get to my map that has it, but it's a nice effect |
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| 08:34.52 | Currydevil | Question: say I want to make a "fire wall" ability. is there a way to make its expanding direction rely on the facing of the unit? say I am facing left/right and I cast it, it would make a veritcal wall |
| 08:35.07 | Currydevil | and facing up/down it would make a horizontal wall |
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| 08:46.32 | XenoX101 | hey does anyone know what the sc2 fonts are? |
| 08:46.35 | XenoX101 | in-game? |
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| 08:52.48 | JoBoDo | hey guys i was wondering |
| 08:52.56 | JoBoDo | with my imported model, when it moves it seems to stretch out |
| 08:53.03 | JoBoDo | around its torso, stomach |
| 08:53.29 | JoBoDo | i understand theres probably no quick fix for this so not really looking to fix it right now, its been bugging me is all, just wondering the reason |
| 08:54.32 | Wiz10011 | mostly something wrong with the animation, (Im not a expert, just making a assumation based on the moving since its fine while idle) |
| 08:56.28 | JoBoDo | nah sorry bad explanation |
| 08:56.34 | JoBoDo | when its idle it seems to stretch a bit still |
| 08:59.50 | Mephs | ~wiz10011 |
| 08:59.50 | purl | i guess wiz10011 is a asjdfkalmelr;m23op5321-03kr23-faskf |
| 09:00.06 | Wiz10011 | Im a what? |
| 09:00.11 | Mephs | you heard um |
| 09:00.25 | Wiz10011 | I heard him, But its more of Not understanding what I heard |
| 09:00.33 | Mephs | well lets compare you to sixen |
| 09:00.35 | Mephs | ~sixen |
| 09:00.35 | purl | hmm... sixen is the type of guy who likes to stick his penis in other mans penises |
| 09:00.40 | Mephs | i'd say you're in a good spot. |
| 09:00.46 | Wiz10011 | good point. |
| 09:05.05 | HP-X|Arthas | JademusSreg: |
| 09:05.08 | HP-X|Arthas | around? =D |
| 09:06.46 | Wiz10011 | ~seen JademusSreg |
| 09:06.50 | purl | jademussreg is currently on #sc2mapster (2d 4h 26m 5s). Has said a total of 210 messages. Is idling for 2h 46m 13s, last said: '*questions'. |
| 09:07.44 | HP-X|Arthas | clearly he went to bed :( |
| 09:08.13 | Sixen | ~sixen rawr |
| 09:08.23 | HP-X|Arthas | lol |
| 09:08.25 | HP-X|Arthas | hi Sixen :p |
| 09:08.29 | HP-X|Arthas | how are things |
| 09:08.40 | Sixen | not bad |
| 09:08.57 | HP-X|Arthas | thats nice :D |
| 09:09.05 | HP-X|Arthas | what have you been up t these past 12 months? |
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| 09:09.19 | Sixen | a lot? :P |
| 09:09.34 | HP-X|Arthas | only thing I know of is you attended blizzcon :p |
| 09:09.44 | HP-X|Arthas | and some exclusive visit at blizz hq iirc :D |
| 09:09.56 | Sixen | mmm |
| 09:09.58 | Sixen | going back again wednesday |
| 09:10.07 | HP-X|Arthas | Neat |
| 09:10.09 | Wiz10011 | for what? |
| 09:10.10 | HP-X|Arthas | what for this time |
| 09:10.20 | JoBoDo | yeah he went to bed i remember |
| 09:10.24 | JoBoDo | noob question |
| 09:10.32 | JoBoDo | how do you rotate models/doodads before u place them |
| 09:10.39 | JoBoDo | isnt there a hotkey? |
| 09:10.56 | JoBoDo | found it nvm :p |
| 09:11.01 | Stewox | ~seen sbeier |
| 09:11.03 | purl | sbeier <5e65d936@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.101.217.54> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 10h 45m 1s ago, saying: 'stewox, I might need a bit more details - preferably over a less bussy channel'. |
| 09:14.57 | Sixen | ooo, what're you helping beier with? |
| 09:18.37 | HP-X|Arthas | average response time in #sc2mapster, 5 mins :p |
| 09:19.01 | HP-X|Arthas | still better then another chan im attending with ~14 days between responses |
| 09:19.22 | Sixen | heh |
| 09:19.53 | HP-X|Arthas | ~seen nicoli_s |
| 09:19.54 | purl | nicoli_s is currently on #riftuidev (3d 9h 49m 32s) #wowuidev (3d 9h 49m 32s). Has said a total of 33 messages. Is idling for 2d 10h 57m 37s, last said: 'dont take that quote to mean i am going to be having man sex'. |
| 09:20.00 | Sixen | he's on vacation |
| 09:20.03 | HP-X|Arthas | ah |
| 09:20.21 | HP-X|Arthas | thinks he has vacation all the time |
| 09:21.38 | HP-X|Arthas | Dustin |
| 09:21.39 | HP-X|Arthas | awake? |
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| 09:25.13 | Sixen | hai beier |
| 09:25.27 | SBeier | Hello |
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| 09:32.52 | JoBoDo | Sixen: In the Player Group - For Each player Available in (All players) do (Actions) |
| 09:33.03 | JoBoDo | there is a variable, what's it used for? o.o |
| 09:33.12 | JoBoDo | cause wont let me create trigger without allocating it |
| 09:35.36 | Sixen | wha? |
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| 09:35.52 | JoBoDo | its an action in a trigger |
| 09:36.05 | JoBoDo | Player Group - For Each player Available in (All players) do (Actions) |
| 09:36.17 | JoBoDo | there is a "Player Variable" I have to set |
| 09:37.02 | Sixen | i'm assuming that's player # |
| 09:37.28 | JoBoDo | hmm what do you mean |
| 09:38.09 | Hobrow | just use pick each player |
| 09:40.13 | JoBoDo | kk ty |
| 09:41.15 | Hobrow | it does about the same |
| 09:41.25 | JoBoDo | yeah It will still do what I need it to =) |
| 09:41.36 | JoBoDo | the other one must be for more complicated operations |
| 09:41.47 | Hobrow | well its a for loop |
| 09:41.59 | Hobrow | if you want to edit arrays its usefull |
| 09:42.04 | Sixen | it just lets you use a player # |
| 09:42.20 | Sixen | I think |
| 09:43.28 | Hobrow | Player Group - For each player Player in (All players) do (Actions) |
| 09:43.44 | Hobrow | where Player is an integer |
| 09:44.35 | JoBoDo | im gonna ask another question, but i dont want to confuse u so ill just explain what im doing quickly |
| 09:44.47 | JoBoDo | really simple, for each player in map spawn one unit at point x |
| 09:45.03 | JoBoDo | and set each x unit to variable |
| 09:46.07 | JoBoDo | would i use the Triggering Player in this? |
| 09:46.09 | Hobrow | use pick each player, then check with an if if the player is playing and then create 1 unit at your point and set an variable to the last created unit |
| 09:46.58 | JoBoDo | oh so (all players) doesnt only select ones that are online? |
| 09:47.11 | JoBoDo | select ones that are playing* |
| 09:47.15 | JoBoDo | it will just do one for each unit slot? |
| 09:47.19 | JoBoDo | for each player slot **** |
| 09:48.18 | Currydevil | you can use active players in the "for each player" thing |
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| 09:48.50 | Hobrow | i had some problems with that when the game wasnt a full house |
| 09:49.21 | Hobrow | and as far as i know that also counts AI players (if you use any) |
| 09:49.50 | Currydevil | well then I guess you either check all players and see how is playing, or you check to see if they are user vs ai |
| 09:49.56 | Currydevil | but the first one, you have to check for ai anyways xD |
| 09:49.59 | Currydevil | ah well |
| 09:50.05 | JoBoDo | okay |
| 09:50.07 | JoBoDo | hmm |
| 09:50.08 | Currydevil | who* |
| 09:50.33 | JoBoDo | in the If statement how do i check to see if ppl are playing? |
| 09:51.30 | Wiz10011 | How would I go about having a trigger check if two units are within a region? |
| 09:51.34 | JoBoDo | ooh nvm i got it |
| 09:52.00 | Currydevil | status of player |
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| 09:53.35 | Currydevil | you can set a car for each unit, and if unit A enters region, set varA = true, and if unit B enters region, set varB = true, then for the trigger you want to fire, just make them both conditions for it using "And" |
| 09:53.40 | Currydevil | car = var |
| 09:53.46 | Currydevil | boolean |
| 09:54.10 | JoBoDo | lol set a car for each unit |
| 09:54.12 | JoBoDo | xD |
| 09:54.19 | JoBoDo | but what if they're clowns? |
| 09:54.21 | Currydevil | And -> varA = true, varB = true -> perform actions |
| 09:54.22 | Currydevil | lol |
| 09:54.25 | JoBoDo | who knows how many are in the car =O |
| 09:54.28 | Currydevil | then, you need lotsa more units per var |
| 09:54.31 | Currydevil | =P |
| 09:54.32 | JoBoDo | hahahah |
| 09:54.39 | Hobrow | btw does anyhere know if its possible to resize terrain objects? |
| 09:54.47 | Currydevil | um |
| 09:54.53 | JoBoDo | terrain objects? |
| 09:54.54 | JoBoDo | such as |
| 09:55.01 | Hobrow | not doodads :P |
| 09:55.05 | JoBoDo | lol |
| 09:55.11 | Hobrow | those that are hiding terrain cells |
| 09:55.25 | Currydevil | such as the invisible terrain objects used to place bridges, and windows on otherwise nontransparent terrain |
| 09:55.37 | Hobrow | yep |
| 09:55.53 | Currydevil | that's how blizz makes the cool buildings underground. |
| 09:56.00 | Hobrow | yeah |
| 09:56.02 | Currydevil | they just make a doodad, lower it's height to below ground level |
| 09:56.06 | Currydevil | and put a window in the floor |
| 09:56.15 | Wiz10011 | was any of that meant for me curry? |
| 09:56.25 | Currydevil | the variable stuff, yes Wiz. |
| 09:56.39 | Wiz10011 | I see. |
| 09:56.40 | Currydevil | are you using two specific units or will it count for multiple units? |
| 09:56.48 | Hobrow | i want to use the generator from the char space station mission but scaled down |
| 09:57.14 | Wiz10011 | multiply units. (2 of the same, They aren't on the map but when someone makes them then put them within the region) |
| 09:57.26 | Currydevil | Oh, like a combo |
| 09:57.30 | Wiz10011 | Yea |
| 09:57.38 | Currydevil | ok so you make your condition look like this |
| 09:57.49 | Currydevil | well, the trigger anyways |
| 09:57.58 | Currydevil | Event: Unit enters regionA |
| 09:57.59 | Wiz10011 | im listening. |
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| 09:58.27 | Currydevil | Condition: And -> triggering unit = Unit A, triggering unit = Unit B -> perform actions |
| 09:58.42 | Currydevil | you can do multiple if,thens in a single "unit enters region" trigger |
| 09:58.51 | Currydevil | so put the conditions on an if,then |
| 09:59.20 | Currydevil | so, it would look like this rather |
| 09:59.28 | Currydevil | Event: Unit enters Region A |
| 09:59.32 | Currydevil | Actions: |
| 09:59.50 | Wiz10011 | Unit A is the unit, or a varaible? |
| 10:00.03 | Currydevil | If -> And -> Triggering Unit = Unit A, Triggering unit = Unit B -> Then -> Actions |
| 10:00.05 | Currydevil | unit |
| 10:00.19 | Wiz10011 | So i have to place a unit on the map? |
| 10:00.23 | Currydevil | well no |
| 10:00.40 | Currydevil | it will only fire when the units enter the region |
| 10:00.46 | Currydevil | so it won't matter when they are created |
| 10:01.09 | Wiz10011 | Yea but my point is, it's not on the map so the unit isn't under value, thus I have to place one somewhere. |
| 10:02.15 | Currydevil | you use unit type |
| 10:02.20 | Currydevil | not specific unit placed |
| 10:02.34 | Currydevil | function -> unit type |
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| 10:03.04 | Currydevil | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:03.14 | Currydevil | value 2 = whatever unit it has to be for the combo |
| 10:03.21 | Currydevil | you don't need to place anything |
| 10:03.40 | Wiz10011 | Okay. |
| 10:03.56 | Wiz10011 | Gotcha. didn't know about unit type. |
| 10:04.15 | Currydevil | yeah, let's you use a game link instead of something you already put on the map |
| 10:04.23 | Wiz10011 | yep, cool |
| 10:04.46 | JoBoDo | what event would i use if |
| 10:05.01 | JoBoDo | i want the event to be when any unit gains experience |
| 10:07.08 | Currydevil | "Unit Gains Experience" |
| 10:07.15 | Currydevil | =O |
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| 10:07.24 | JoBoDo | yeah lol |
| 10:07.29 | JoBoDo | ORELLI |
| 10:07.34 | Currydevil | yarly!!! |
| 10:07.47 | JoBoDo | but then it asks me to specify a uniy |
| 10:07.48 | JoBoDo | unit* |
| 10:07.49 | JoBoDo | :( |
| 10:07.57 | JoBoDo | do i have to do an event for each unit? |
| 10:08.14 | Currydevil | um |
| 10:08.19 | Currydevil | triggering unit. |
| 10:08.23 | Currydevil | =O |
| 10:08.29 | JoBoDo | I can use triggering unit in an event? |
| 10:08.30 | JoBoDo | :O |
| 10:08.32 | Currydevil | no |
| 10:08.38 | JoBoDo | lol |
| 10:08.38 | JoBoDo | :p |
| 10:08.45 | JoBoDo | then we're back to square one |
| 10:08.52 | Currydevil | "any unit" |
| 10:09.01 | JoBoDo | if only |
| 10:09.03 | Currydevil | not anymore, take one step forwad. |
| 10:09.12 | Currydevil | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:09.13 | JoBoDo | there is no 'any unit' :c |
| 10:09.18 | Currydevil | sure is. |
| 10:09.25 | Currydevil | or my copy/paste is a liar |
| 10:09.27 | JoBoDo | :o what witchery is this |
| 10:09.30 | JoBoDo | yeah ur copypaste is a liar |
| 10:09.32 | JoBoDo | D:< |
| 10:09.33 | Currydevil | =P |
| 10:09.55 | Currydevil | it's the default value for that event. |
| 10:10.00 | JoBoDo | seriously? |
| 10:10.03 | Currydevil | aye. |
| 10:10.07 | JoBoDo | LOL |
| 10:10.09 | JoBoDo | OHTHEREITIS |
| 10:10.11 | JoBoDo | Ily |
| 10:10.13 | Currydevil | =P |
| 10:10.15 | JoBoDo | <3 |
| 10:10.22 | XorioZ | JoBoDo. toy got your stuff working? |
| 10:10.29 | XorioZ | you |
| 10:10.32 | XorioZ | not toy |
| 10:10.37 | JoBoDo | lol was wondering, toy? who's toy? |
| 10:10.42 | JoBoDo | yea I'm getting there |
| 10:10.54 | JoBoDo | i've been working on and off all day, as im mostly learning at the moment it can be tedious |
| 10:12.34 | XorioZ | hehe... all day. it's midday here. I'm about to go to sleep. my sleep cycle is WAY off. |
| 10:12.37 | JoBoDo | i've got a scrim in 20 mins though :( so i'll have to stop again |
| 10:12.46 | JoBoDo | haha my sleeping pattern was like that for ages |
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| 10:12.58 | Stewox | hey guys |
| 10:13.04 | Wiz10011 | mine is like that now,,, It's 6 AM. been up since 2 pm |
| 10:13.04 | JoBoDo | go to sleep ~10am wake up ~6 |
| 10:13.06 | JoBoDo | hey :) |
| 10:13.10 | Stewox | anyone knows how to set up Livestream for DESKTOP RECORDING |
| 10:13.25 | Stewox | it's making a H264Soft Encoder error if i choose "no camera" |
| 10:13.59 | XorioZ | ARGH. stop all this am pm shit.. what is that. pm past midnight and am after midday or what??? |
| 10:14.07 | JoBoDo | lol |
| 10:14.18 | JoBoDo | move to aus? its quater to 8 |
| 10:14.28 | JoBoDo | keep urself awake for another 2 hours and ur sleeping pattern perfect |
| 10:14.31 | Wiz10011 | East coast, quarter past 6 |
| 10:14.36 | Stewox | HELLO |
| 10:14.38 | Stewox | urgent ! |
| 10:14.42 | XorioZ | we run on military time here in Denmark. |
| 10:14.47 | JoBoDo | Nah Stewox I got no clue mate |
| 10:14.47 | JoBoDo | sorry |
| 10:14.55 | Stewox | ok |
| 10:14.56 | Wiz10011 | Sorry Stewox, No idea. |
| 10:15.14 | JoBoDo | i always remember |
| 10:15.19 | JoBoDo | am at morning pm past morning |
| 10:15.24 | XorioZ | from 00:00 to 23:59 that's how the clocks run here |
| 10:15.26 | JoBoDo | but don't forget |
| 10:15.34 | JoBoDo | ;D |
| 10:15.36 | JoBoDo | am after morning pm per morning |
| 10:16.32 | XorioZ | so when you say 5 o clock. i say the time is 17 |
| 10:17.10 | JoBoDo | yah |
| 10:17.19 | JoBoDo | im used to military time too =D |
| 10:17.27 | JoBoDo | dad used to be in star force so I got used to it :o |
| 10:17.40 | XorioZ | star force?? |
| 10:17.46 | JoBoDo | Its the SWAT of south australia |
| 10:17.54 | JoBoDo | STAR - Special Tasks and Rescue |
| 10:18.01 | XorioZ | ah' |
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| 10:18.21 | XorioZ | it allmost sounds like something out of a DC comics |
| 10:18.30 | JoBoDo | lol |
| 10:18.35 | Clord | it seems to be trendy way to name stuff nowadays in english |
| 10:18.36 | Clord | XD |
| 10:18.36 | XorioZ | Like shield |
| 10:18.55 | Clord | P.O.O.P. |
| 10:19.00 | Clord | etc |
| 10:19.02 | JoBoDo | Super Human Immigants Enter Legal Domains |
| 10:19.08 | JoBoDo | Immigrants* |
| 10:19.10 | Wiz10011 | Stars? What is this resident evil? |
| 10:19.21 | Clord | S.T.A.R.S. |
| 10:19.22 | XorioZ | we don't have swat teams in denmark is it is. |
| 10:19.22 | Clord | XD |
| 10:19.26 | Clord | it is quite different lol |
| 10:19.30 | JoBoDo | lol |
| 10:19.38 | XorioZ | as it is |
| 10:19.41 | JoBoDo | really? |
| 10:19.47 | JoBoDo | you just have normal police do everything? |
| 10:19.49 | JoBoDo | or does the army come in |
| 10:19.53 | Wiz10011 | Didn't STARS stand for Special Task and resque squad? |
| 10:20.10 | XorioZ | we don't really need them. when needed the normal police gets some riot gear |
| 10:20.35 | XorioZ | and that happens like... never |
| 10:20.49 | Clord | The Special Tactics and Rescue Service (S.T.A.R.S.) |
| 10:20.53 | JoBoDo | lol |
| 10:20.55 | Clord | http://residentevil.wikia.com/Special_Tactics_And_Rescue_Service |
| 10:21.01 | Wiz10011 | close enough. |
| 10:21.10 | JoBoDo | well starforce was around before RE :p |
| 10:21.16 | Clord | lol |
| 10:21.19 | JoBoDo | a quick question back on modding |
| 10:21.28 | Wiz10011 | well RE was made because of starforce! |
| 10:21.28 | JoBoDo | is there a way I can set triggering player to a var |
| 10:21.38 | XorioZ | yea |
| 10:21.43 | XorioZ | it's just an int |
| 10:22.35 | XorioZ | integer |
| 10:22.51 | JoBoDo | I want to make this so it only updates the dialog for the triggering player when they get xp |
| 10:23.12 | JoBoDo | and it wont let me use an int |
| 10:23.14 | JoBoDo | for the var |
| 10:23.15 | JoBoDo | :o |
| 10:23.18 | XorioZ | hmm |
| 10:23.38 | XorioZ | then you can make a player group and convert player to player group |
| 10:24.23 | JoBoDo | thankshu |
| 10:24.25 | JoBoDo | did that |
| 10:24.27 | JoBoDo | <3 |
| 10:24.46 | XorioZ | =:3 |
| 10:24.56 | JoBoDo | lol haven't seen that one before |
| 10:24.57 | JoBoDo | i like it :p |
| 10:25.00 | XorioZ | wabbit |
| 10:25.02 | JoBoDo | =:3 |
| 10:25.04 | JoBoDo | mmhmm |
| 10:25.30 | Agouti | I like rabbit stew |
| 10:25.38 | Agouti | been years since I had it though |
| 10:25.58 | XorioZ | anyways here in Denmark we have a vary low crime rate. or rather the crimes committed are small time. |
| 10:26.05 | JoBoDo | thats good |
| 10:26.20 | XorioZ | never had rabbit stew. |
| 10:26.29 | JoBoDo | Adelaide (where i live in aus) has the strangest/most murders in the world |
| 10:26.38 | JoBoDo | not the most I dont think |
| 10:26.41 | JoBoDo | its like, the most wierd ones |
| 10:26.46 | JoBoDo | for wierd reasons or whatever |
| 10:28.03 | XorioZ | don't think we ever had a serial killer. only time we ever had a big time killer in Denmark was when a danish born American citizen chose to move to Denmark to avoid some prosecution and then killed 3 people. |
| 10:28.05 | JoBoDo | :o maybe not the world |
| 10:28.23 | JoBoDo | but still |
| 10:28.23 | JoBoDo | http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/predators/adelaide/corpses_1.html |
| 10:28.25 | Wiz10011 | Yo curry, that trigger doesn't work. failed Conditions. |
| 10:28.32 | JoBoDo | also, wow Xorioz |
| 10:28.34 | JoBoDo | that sucks D: |
| 10:28.37 | JoBoDo | silly americans |
| 10:30.41 | XorioZ | but if we have to comparison Denmark with other countries we have to take into account that Denmark only has about 5.5 mill citizens. |
| 10:31.48 | XorioZ | it's vary vary small and therefor easy to govern. well easier then a country the size of Germany for example. |
| 10:32.34 | XorioZ | oh noes. now I'm going into listen to what my country is like "mode". |
| 10:32.56 | JoBoDo | lol |
| 10:33.02 | JoBoDo | australia only has like 23million :p |
| 10:33.06 | JoBoDo | and we're a little bit bigger i think |
| 10:33.07 | JoBoDo | maybe |
| 10:34.16 | JoBoDo | okay :c |
| 10:34.20 | JoBoDo | i have my scrim/war now |
| 10:34.21 | JoBoDo | D: |
| 10:34.28 | XorioZ | well you would think right. but even i sometimes forget that Denmark counts Greenland aswell. |
| 10:34.49 | XorioZ | take a look at an atlas and you will be surprised |
| 10:36.06 | XorioZ | Greenland is only just a bit smaller then Australia |
| 10:37.21 | Hobrow | only that there is less than in autralia :D |
| 10:37.57 | XorioZ | one third the size of Australia. and only holds 56000 people.. |
| 10:38.12 | XorioZ | or there only lives about 56000 |
| 10:38.27 | XorioZ | it sounded like it could only hold 56000 in all... |
| 10:38.30 | XorioZ | :P |
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| 10:38.54 | XorioZ | guess what we pay in tax in Denmark. |
| 10:41.32 | XorioZ | 40% |
| 10:41.51 | XorioZ | lowest income tax |
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| 10:42.53 | Wiz10011 | The function Unit attached to region, does that mean unit within a region? |
| 10:44.53 | XorioZ | don't know actually. my recomendation. try it out on an empty map "prototype". |
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| 11:04.29 | Currydevil | anyone familiar with transfer behavior effect? |
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| 11:17.32 | JoBoDo | heys im back =D |
| 11:17.42 | Wiz10011 | Welcome back. |
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| 11:17.54 | JoBoDo | won my scrim 13-4 :D |
| 11:22.40 | Wiz10011 | can there be two conditions with triggering unit and it checks if they are two different unit types? |
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| 11:27.51 | Wiz10011 | Blah, this one trigger is given me so much trouble. |
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| 11:35.29 | JoBoDo | what is it wiz? |
| 11:36.05 | JoBoDo | Wiz10011 :3 |
| 11:36.07 | Wiz10011 | Cant get the right conditions to work, need it to run the trigger if 2 units are within a region say a zergling and hydralisk. |
| 11:36.18 | JoBoDo | ahk that one still |
| 11:36.25 | Wiz10011 | Yep been at it this whole time |
| 11:36.30 | JoBoDo | :( |
| 11:36.38 | Wiz10011 | The way Curry suggested keeps saying failed conditions. |
| 11:37.06 | Wiz10011 | Will probably take a break from it and come back to it later. |
| 11:37.06 | JoBoDo | its okay, your trigger isnt working but neither is mine :c |
| 11:37.09 | JoBoDo | my unit wont spawn |
| 11:37.22 | Wiz10011 | and do you know why? |
| 11:37.27 | JoBoDo | nope no clue |
| 11:37.38 | JoBoDo | can you spawn units at map initialization? |
| 11:37.44 | Wiz10011 | Yep. |
| 11:37.58 | Wiz10011 | I dont know much, But Ill take a look to see if I can help. |
| 11:38.04 | JoBoDo | ahh thanks man |
| 11:38.11 | Wiz10011 | Put the trigger in pastebin |
| 11:38.19 | JoBoDo | ill tell u how i've set it out |
| 11:38.26 | JoBoDo | i've got event map init |
| 11:39.03 | JoBoDo | oh wait |
| 11:39.06 | JoBoDo | just as i was explaining it |
| 11:39.14 | JoBoDo | i've actually got a triggering player in here |
| 11:39.25 | JoBoDo | would triggering player work if its at map init? |
| 11:39.35 | Wiz10011 | Dont think so |
| 11:39.38 | JoBoDo | Player group - pick each player in (all players and do actions |
| 11:39.46 | JoBoDo | general, if conditions then do actions else do actions |
| 11:39.51 | JoBoDo | if trggering player = playing |
| 11:40.06 | JoBoDo | unit create 1 human male for player triggering player |
| 11:40.20 | JoBoDo | do you reckon the triggering player part is messing it up |
| 11:40.32 | Wiz10011 | possible. |
| 11:41.35 | Wiz10011 | Why do you have triggering player? |
| 11:41.59 | Wiz10011 | to add a human for all active players? |
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| 11:42.59 | JoBoDo | triggering player was to see if player was there or not |
| 11:43.06 | JoBoDo | to see whether player was playing |
| 11:43.19 | JoBoDo | i've heard just doing it for <all> players some times messes it up when its not full house |
| 11:43.33 | Wiz10011 | Yea. |
| 11:44.34 | JoBoDo | dw i did it another way ill see if it works |
| 11:44.41 | JoBoDo | i put if controller of player <player> == user |
| 11:44.47 | JoBoDo | where <player is a int> |
| 11:44.54 | JoBoDo | <player> is an int* |
| 11:45.00 | Wiz10011 | That should work. |
| 11:45.03 | JoBoDo | then create unit for that player |
| 11:45.08 | JoBoDo | then increment the int by 1 |
| 11:45.21 | JoBoDo | that way it should continue to work when it checks the other players |
| 11:46.05 | JoBoDo | woot! |
| 11:46.07 | JoBoDo | works for me |
| 11:46.13 | Wiz10011 | cool |
| 11:46.25 | JoBoDo | :D |
| 11:46.25 | JoBoDo | dont know if it will work when more ppl are in the lobby, but hopefully it will! |
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| 11:59.18 | Caz | Can i set terrain tiles to be a solid color ? |
| 11:59.59 | Caz | Trying to set tiles to something like pure black |
| 12:00.08 | JoBoDo | I'm guessing you coulddd |
| 12:00.16 | Caz | no fancy designs or anything .. just black |
| 12:00.21 | JoBoDo | that should be plausable because ppl have like custom terrains and that |
| 12:00.33 | JoBoDo | there is probably an rbg mixer somewhere |
| 12:00.50 | Caz | I only have 8 options for terrain when using the brush.. has to be more stuff somewhere lol |
| 12:01.00 | JoBoDo | yeah they'res definately more |
| 12:01.10 | JoBoDo | I know you can getinto it cant remember how >__< |
| 12:01.28 | Caz | lol maybe it'll come to you while im scrounging for it |
| 12:01.35 | Wiz10011 | Map, Map Textures |
| 12:02.26 | Caz | That just changes which 8 choices i have by the looks of it |
| 12:02.28 | Wiz10011 | Most likely you have to make your own custom texture set, That I have no clue to do. |
| 12:02.40 | JoBoDo | kk |
| 12:02.41 | Caz | and probably changes the ones ive already set to the new textures |
| 12:02.42 | JoBoDo | figured it out |
| 12:02.43 | JoBoDo | its easy |
| 12:02.43 | Wiz10011 | Click Modify |
| 12:02.50 | JoBoDo | click mofig |
| 12:02.53 | JoBoDo | modify |
| 12:02.58 | JoBoDo | then ur in terrain texture sets |
| 12:04.34 | Caz | so what am i looking at here lol |
| 12:05.00 | Wiz10011 | Texture sets. |
| 12:05.14 | Wiz10011 | You can edit them like anything else in the data editor to my knowledge. |
| 12:05.19 | Caz | Ok, no clue what to do with them :x |
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| 12:06.36 | Wiz10011 | Okay Chaz |
| 12:06.45 | Wiz10011 | See Data source? |
| 12:07.16 | Caz | ya |
| 12:07.27 | Wiz10011 | Click it. and go to Terrain Textures. |
| 12:07.53 | Caz | Thats data type, not source .. but yea im there |
| 12:08.07 | Wiz10011 | You're correct, |
| 12:08.09 | Wiz10011 | my bad. |
| 12:08.22 | Wiz10011 | Right click the white area and make a new texture. |
| 12:09.00 | Wiz10011 | Name it whatever. |
| 12:09.24 | Wiz10011 | let me know when you did that. |
| 12:09.41 | Caz | done |
| 12:10.03 | Wiz10011 | click it, on the right Side go to Texture. and open up the option for it |
| 12:10.34 | Caz | Textures - Blend ? |
| 12:11.06 | Wiz10011 | you probably have different view settings then me. hold on |
| 12:11.20 | Wiz10011 | on the right side, which of the 5 buttons do you have pushed down? |
| 12:11.23 | Caz | I have the huge data table vomited across the screen |
| 12:11.25 | Wiz10011 | at the top. |
| 12:11.25 | Caz | no tabs |
| 12:12.11 | Wiz10011 | Do you see under field Texture? |
| 12:12.18 | Caz | I check all of them other than raw data |
| 12:12.46 | Caz | and i dont see anything with the word "Texture" .. other than 'Texture - Blend' |
| 12:13.00 | Caz | it brings up the texture set i copied from |
| 12:14.03 | Wiz10011 | you're in Texture sets. not Terrain textures. |
| 12:14.47 | Caz | bah.. so it is |
| 12:15.38 | Wiz10011 | Do i need to repeat the steps? |
| 12:15.39 | Caz | added new one and named it |
| 12:15.46 | Wiz10011 | Okay |
| 12:15.56 | Wiz10011 | On the right side, do you see Texture under field? |
| 12:17.12 | Caz | ya |
| 12:17.27 | Wiz10011 | Open up the option for it. |
| 12:17.55 | Caz | doesnt let me |
| 12:18.06 | Wiz10011 | are you double clicking it? |
| 12:18.30 | Wiz10011 | Not the name texture, but the terrainTexDef/Texture/ Whatever you named it |
| 12:18.38 | Caz | ya just hang on |
| 12:18.42 | Caz | the editor does this to me sometimes |
| 12:18.47 | Caz | have to click off and come back.. |
| 12:18.51 | Caz | alright its working now |
| 12:19.13 | Wiz10011 | Click Browse.. On the top for search type black, under assests/texture first option click black.dds |
| 12:20.00 | Caz | k |
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| 12:20.29 | Wiz10011 | hit Okay, hit okay now you have to add it to the texture set. |
| 12:20.58 | Wiz10011 | You have two options, make a new custom set, or use the one you were using before and replacing one of the textures. |
| 12:21.42 | Caz | I'll just modify the one im using.. i have no need for any of the dirt textures |
| 12:21.58 | Caz | Am using Braxis Alpha (Space Platform) |
| 12:21.58 | Wiz10011 | Okay, you remember the name of it right? |
| 12:22.06 | Wiz10011 | Okay |
| 12:22.06 | Caz | ya |
| 12:22.13 | Wiz10011 | Go to texture - Blend that you found before |
| 12:23.03 | Wiz10011 | you have two coloums. the left is all the textures, the right is the textures in the set. So pick one from the right and remove it. Then on the left look for the texture you made and add it. |
| 12:23.37 | Wiz10011 | Why it wont let you have more then 8 I dont know, seems kind of stupid to limit it like that. |
| 12:24.22 | Caz | The add wasnt popping up for some reason, but replace worked |
| 12:24.36 | Wiz10011 | You had to remove one first. |
| 12:24.47 | Wiz10011 | there's the limit of 8 textures per set |
| 12:25.04 | Wiz10011 | and now you have a all black texture. |
| 12:25.53 | Caz | is not showing up in the texture brushes, do i need to restart editor for it to take effect ? |
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| 12:26.25 | Juvial | mornin all |
| 12:26.29 | Wiz10011 | I dont know Maybe, I never messed with the textures before. |
| 12:26.30 | Wiz10011 | Morning |
| 12:26.36 | Wiz10011 | Save then restart it. |
| 12:27.14 | Wiz10011 | I think I know where it went wrong. |
| 12:27.20 | Wiz10011 | forgot to set the icon |
| 12:28.08 | Juvial | Hey just noticed squadron defense had a save game state for its levels via player id.. I thought this was impossible can anybody lead me into the right direction as to how it was managed? possible tutorial? |
| 12:28.36 | Agouti | I would guess it's just a random number |
| 12:28.54 | Juvial | no he has a lvl that is saved in the game |
| 12:29.00 | Agouti | yes |
| 12:29.01 | Juvial | so next time you join it |
| 12:29.04 | Agouti | yes |
| 12:29.14 | Juvial | random #?? |
| 12:29.17 | Agouti | each player has their own bank file |
| 12:29.27 | Agouti | so save a players stats to their bank file |
| 12:29.35 | Agouti | no need for a unique ID |
| 12:29.59 | Juvial | hmm i'm misunderstanding the concept here how does he get the Player id for the bank file save ? |
| 12:30.12 | Agouti | what player ID? |
| 12:30.19 | Agouti | why do they even need one? |
| 12:30.26 | Juvial | if you join a game |
| 12:30.37 | Juvial | and say you at level 10 |
| 12:30.40 | Juvial | you lvl 3 times |
| 12:30.43 | Juvial | the game ends |
| 12:30.50 | Juvial | next time you join the game your lvl 13 |
| 12:30.54 | Agouti | Yes |
| 12:31.00 | Juvial | how is this done? |
| 12:31.03 | Juvial | bank? |
| 12:31.09 | Agouti | <Agouti> each player has their own bank file |
| 12:31.09 | Agouti | <Agouti> so save a players stats to their bank file |
| 12:31.16 | Wiz10011 | Banks. |
| 12:31.22 | Agouti | there is no central storage |
| 12:31.25 | Agouti | the ONLY storage |
| 12:31.31 | Agouti | is on each players bank file |
| 12:31.35 | Agouti | these are not common |
| 12:31.41 | Agouti | my bank file is only mine |
| 12:31.50 | Agouti | so when a player joins |
| 12:31.54 | Agouti | look at their bank file |
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| 12:31.57 | Wiz10011 | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/resources/tutorials/19267-triggers-video-basic-bank-saving/ |
| 12:31.59 | Agouti | it has Level: 13 in it |
| 12:32.04 | Agouti | ergo |
| 12:32.06 | Agouti | that player |
| 12:32.08 | Agouti | must be level 13 |
| 12:32.19 | Juvial | gotchya |
| 12:32.29 | Juvial | now is it possible to add conditions to that lvl as well? |
| 12:32.30 | Agouti | imagine it like you give ever player a piece of paper to hang on to |
| 12:32.33 | Juvial | trigger wise |
| 12:32.36 | Agouti | it is just a number. |
| 12:32.42 | Agouti | you can do whatever you want with it |
| 12:32.43 | Agouti | clearly |
| 12:32.47 | Agouti | like any other number |
| 12:32.47 | Wiz10011 | Agouti or Juvial, Either of you know how to make a condition to check if 2 different unit types are within a region? |
| 12:33.05 | Agouti | er, just an AND condition? |
| 12:33.07 | Juvial | if then else? |
| 12:33.26 | Agouti | if A in region AND B in region then? |
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| 12:35.09 | Juvial | if Unit type a= your unit enters in region Unit type B= your unit enters in region then do... |
| 12:35.22 | Juvial | it will just cycle until the condition becomes true |
| 12:35.39 | Juvial | just make sure you add both to same condition line |
| 12:35.50 | Juvial | or you can use custom unit values |
| 12:36.01 | Juvial | to narrow it down a bit more |
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| 12:38.00 | Wiz10011 | tried something like that Juvial didnt work. |
| 12:38.16 | Juvial | did you try custom values? |
| 12:38.28 | Juvial | or add them to object groups? |
| 12:39.08 | Wiz10011 | Nope, I did (Unit type of (Triggering unit)) == Hydralisk and (Unit type of (Triggering unit)) == Zergling with the event Unit enters region. |
| 12:39.52 | Juvial | ok just to be sure you want the trigger to fire when there is ONLY 2 diffrent types of units in region? |
| 12:40.10 | Wiz10011 | Yea. |
| 12:40.47 | Wiz10011 | would be used down the road for more varity but would always be 2 different types. |
| 12:41.05 | Wiz10011 | but that's a easy copy and paste then. |
| 12:43.20 | Wiz10011 | any ideas? |
| 12:45.26 | Juvial | ok i got an idea |
| 12:45.46 | Juvial | make a variable that increases by +1 every time a unit enters a region |
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| 12:46.18 | Juvial | well hmm now that would depend on alot |
| 12:47.36 | Wiz10011 | Yea I been at it for three hours trying to figure out a way to get it to work. I just dont know all the functions and the creative ways they can be used. |
| 12:48.48 | tampa1adam | hey come help me test my map plz |
| 12:48.54 | tampa1adam | NA server |
| 12:52.31 | Juvial | ok got it wiz |
| 12:52.32 | Juvial | i think |
| 13:00.16 | Wiz10011 | ? |
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| 13:02.01 | Juvial | Action: any unit enters region 001 Actions: Pick each unit in (Hydra units in ( entire map ) owned by player any player etc.. and do If (picked unit ) is in region 001 = true then Pick each unit in (zergling units in ( entire map ) owned by player any player etc... and do If (picked unit is in region 001 THEN DO ( what you want it to do here ) |
| 13:02.32 | Juvial | thats should work |
| 13:02.33 | Wiz10011_ | Sorry, I dced, Did i miss any besides that last action? |
| 13:02.58 | Juvial | basically its picked each type of unit on entire map and checked if its in the region |
| 13:03.04 | Wiz10011_ | is that suppose to be event? the first action. |
| 13:03.06 | Juvial | you will have to add this many times over |
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| 13:03.08 | Juvial | but it will work |
| 13:03.16 | JoBoDo | ohai |
| 13:03.21 | Juvial | depending on how many types of units enters your region |
| 13:03.23 | JoBoDo | my irc dc me without me noticing :c |
| 13:03.50 | Juvial | but that can even be narrowed down to diffrent triggers relating to diffrent make ups |
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| 13:05.04 | JoBoDo | could someone help me with something quickly |
| 13:05.21 | Juvial | shoot jobo |
| 13:05.22 | JoBoDo | having trouble finding something in Art - Model and wanted to know why |
| 13:05.35 | Juvial | what are you looking for |
| 13:05.44 | JoBoDo | Trying to use the art model ShapeTreasureChestClosed |
| 13:05.53 | Juvial | ok |
| 13:05.56 | JoBoDo | but when i go into the art-model of my actor, i cant seem to find it |
| 13:06.03 | JoBoDo | of my actors settings* |
| 13:06.10 | Juvial | ok 1 sec |
| 13:06.12 | JoBoDo | kk |
| 13:06.19 | JoBoDo | I'm pretty sure its not there, which is odd |
| 13:06.35 | Juvial | what type of unit are you using.. this is important when using item models |
| 13:06.40 | JoBoDo | omg i think im an idiot |
| 13:07.01 | Juvial | :) didn't change actor - portrait/ model ?? |
| 13:07.17 | JoBoDo | nope :p worse than that |
| 13:07.22 | JoBoDo | was looking under T for treasure chest |
| 13:07.30 | JoBoDo | where it clearly says SHapeTreasureChestClosed |
| 13:07.31 | Juvial | lol |
| 13:07.36 | Juvial | yeah |
| 13:07.36 | JoBoDo | it was under shape lol |
| 13:07.38 | JoBoDo | god damn im blind |
| 13:08.58 | JoBoDo | ;c |
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| 13:13.51 | Wiz10011 | Juvial, How does that bring the zergling into the picture? it was suppose to be zergling and hydralisk within the region though. |
| 13:15.53 | Wiz10011 | nevermind Just added a condition to run if the zergling is the triggering unit, Thank you very Much Juvial |
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| 13:48.41 | Clord | Tropico 3.... good dictator crush opposition with military might and once people feel happy, they don |
| 13:48.45 | Clord | don't even oppose |
| 13:48.46 | Clord | XD |
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| 13:55.18 | burne- | making abilities sure takes long |
| 13:55.30 | burne- | i spend like 1-2h for one ability again even though I knew what I was doing |
| 13:55.32 | burne- | :/ |
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| 13:58.40 | Helral|Afk | ~Seen DarkRevenantX |
| 13:58.49 | purl | darkrevenantx <~DarkReven@ip72-197-184-165.sd.sd.cox.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 2d 4h 10m 20s ago, saying: 'i'll just upload the whole thing'. |
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| 14:03.41 | Hobrow | anyone with some 3ds max knowlege here? |
| 14:03.54 | Vailreth | i have some |
| 14:04.25 | Hobrow | I modefied a terrain object model |
| 14:04.38 | Hobrow | but apparently i cant export it, im getting this error: |
| 14:05.29 | Hobrow | Export Failes! -- Unknown property: "layrs" in (M3E_Ter name:"Terrain" map:init() max Mat: Terrain:Starcraft_2) |
| 14:05.47 | Hobrow | Failed* |
| 14:06.08 | Vailreth | the exporter script how ever i do not know about |
| 14:06.16 | Hobrow | :/ |
| 14:08.11 | Vailreth | i my self need to learn more about it i need to make some custom splats |
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| 14:19.37 | JoBoDo | heys |
| 14:19.39 | JoBoDo | question |
| 14:20.02 | JoBoDo | you know with item containers (ie bags), am I able to offset it from the edge of the screen? |
| 14:20.10 | JoBoDo | cause its currently overlapping with something |
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| 14:20.38 | zZzz | hello? |
| 14:20.46 | Wiz10011 | kon nichi wa |
| 14:20.51 | Vailreth | i think all you get with the default inventor is Left and Right |
| 14:21.02 | zZzz | wanted to see if anyone can help me with an ability i'm trying to build |
| 14:21.21 | zZzz | wanted to make an ability, that is autocast and single target with a cast time |
| 14:21.30 | zZzz | im good so far, the problem comes in the targetting |
| 14:21.33 | Vailreth | you may be able to draw custom inventory with triggers though JoBo |
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| 14:22.00 | zZzz | the ability autocasts, does its cast time and does its damage to the unit, but on the next autocast, it doesnt target units properly |
| 14:22.11 | zZzz | it sometimes targets another unit at random |
| 14:22.34 | zZzz | when i right click to tell it to attack a particular unit, it fires the ability once on that unit, then starts attacking some other unit |
| 14:22.56 | zZzz | anyone know how to set up the target sorts to have an autocast ability always attack the 'right clicked' unit before it picks another target? |
| 14:23.31 | JoBoDo | yeah |
| 14:23.33 | JoBoDo | okay thanks vail |
| 14:24.31 | JoBoDo | in that case |
| 14:24.33 | Vailreth | what effect are you trying to achieve Z? |
| 14:24.42 | JoBoDo | yyou know how you create a unit or whatever a hero unit |
| 14:24.46 | JoBoDo | he comes up in bottom right corner |
| 14:24.51 | JoBoDo | the hotkey/quicklink to him |
| 14:25.40 | Vailreth | yes, i had to move my inventory to the left side of the screen because of those while testing my data editing for the team project i am a apart of |
| 14:25.49 | zZzz | vailreth, i am trying to make an autocast ability that does single target damage but targets the target i 'right click' on and keeps autocasting on that target till instead of picking a different/random target each time it autocasts |
| 14:26.01 | JoBoDo | so I cant just remove that box thing? |
| 14:26.08 | JoBoDo | 'those' as we like to call them |
| 14:26.13 | zZzz | right now, i have it set up so that the autocast works, the caster fires the ability, but i cannot seem to control WHO he targets with it |
| 14:26.47 | zZzz | sometimes it is random, sometimes he targets some other unit, when i right click on a specific unit, he casts the ability on that unit just once, then continues to randomly target something else |
| 14:27.06 | zZzz | so kind of like the frost arrows ability from wc3, kinda like an autocast attack |
| 14:27.12 | zZzz | except with a cast time |
| 14:27.16 | JoBoDo | would it be like |
| 14:27.28 | Vailreth | you need to have a channeld persistent effect on the target sett to target the target unit and apply the damage from there.. |
| 14:27.30 | JoBoDo | event <your unit> attacking |
| 14:27.47 | JoBoDo | and then a while |
| 14:28.07 | zZzz | i want to do it with data only, no triggers |
| 14:28.11 | JoBoDo | while <attacking>, <autocast spell> target <caster target> |
| 14:28.13 | zZzz | so basically with target sorts |
| 14:28.17 | JoBoDo | not sure on the exact syntax |
| 14:28.26 | zZzz | yea i know it can be done with triggers, but i wanna try to do it with data only |
| 14:28.32 | JoBoDo | ahk |
| 14:29.13 | zZzz | using target sorts maybe? i know you can set up targetting priorities for autocast abilities, things like TSRandom or TSDIstance, but i cant seem to find the one that tells it to keep autocasting on the unit that i've right clicked on |
| 14:29.28 | zZzz | i think its TSMarker, but i dont know how to use it |
| 14:29.59 | zZzz | i think it has something to do with setting a "marker" on the unit i right click on, and then have the TSMarker find that unit and keep autocasting on it |
| 14:30.35 | zZzz | but when i try to set that up, it just fires the ability at the "right clicked" unit once, then targets something else and starts firing on that |
| 14:30.57 | zZzz | making sense here? |
| 14:31.24 | JoBoDo | yeah |
| 14:31.25 | Vailreth | it may be possible to make it auto cast on one unit and cast a buff on that unit the priotize the unit with the buff as the auto cast target |
| 14:31.42 | JoBoDo | mm |
| 14:31.52 | zZzz | yea i tried that once, but it got wierd when i had multiple units with the autocast ability in play |
| 14:31.56 | Vailreth | the Marker would have to be preserved with a persistent effect |
| 14:31.59 | JoBoDo | yeah i was about to say that |
| 14:32.05 | JoBoDo | if u had more than one it gets odd |
| 14:32.08 | zZzz | so for example, say the autocast ability is "fireball", and i have like 5 firemages |
| 14:32.22 | zZzz | when the first firemage sets the buff on the target unit, all the other mages start attacking it too |
| 14:32.25 | JoBoDo | wtf |
| 14:32.26 | JoBoDo | I got lost |
| 14:32.29 | zZzz | but i might want them to attack some other unit as well |
| 14:32.33 | JoBoDo | vail, what is allign left/allign right under |
| 14:32.55 | JoBoDo | nvm found it |
| 14:33.10 | zZzz | vail, please explain what you mean by "marker would have to be preserved with a persistent effect"? |
| 14:33.38 | zZzz | how do i set the marker on the "right clicked" unit then get the autocast to target that marker on every autocast? |
| 14:33.58 | Vailreth | from what i understand markers persist only as long as the effect that creates them does so when an effect dies its maker is deleted as well. |
| 14:34.14 | zZzz | yea, ok |
| 14:34.16 | Vailreth | so to keep a maker on a unit you have to use a persistent effect |
| 14:34.23 | zZzz | i see |
| 14:34.51 | zZzz | and i have to set up that persistent effect to be created on the units "right click"? |
| 14:35.07 | zZzz | wonder if thats possible... |
| 14:35.30 | Vailreth | i think peristents remine at the point they were cast on |
| 14:35.32 | zZzz | and how would i link to that persistent effect on the autocast ability itself? as in, what would i link to? |
| 14:35.53 | Vailreth | the persistent effect would be the first effect created by the ability |
| 14:36.02 | zZzz | ah i see |
| 14:36.08 | zZzz | so bake it into the ability itself |
| 14:36.42 | zZzz | so the first time the ability is cast, it creates the pers effect and does damage, then |
| 14:36.55 | zZzz | the second time the ability is autocast, it searches for the persistent effect and casts on that |
| 14:37.15 | zZzz | i could try that |
| 14:37.16 | Vailreth | no each time it would be cast it would create the effect.. |
| 14:37.39 | Vailreth | basically it would continue to cast the ability until the unit is dead or you peristant is destroyed |
| 14:38.04 | Vailreth | if the persistent was set to channeld |
| 14:38.22 | zZzz | but how would i get it to cast on the same unit each time? that is the prob i am having. its not that it doesnt cast the ability, it always casts the ability, but the TARGET of the ability it either keeps changing or most of the times doesn't keep attacking the unit i told it to by "right clicking" on that unit |
| 14:38.53 | zZzz | so like it casts on one unit, then the next autocast it targets some other unit, but i want it to keep attacking the first unit |
| 14:39.21 | Vailreth | the medivac heal may be able to help |
| 14:40.02 | zZzz | yea i was looking at that, unfortunately, the heal is a channel and has a loopback baked in because of that, but my ability is a 'cast time' ability not channel, which is what is causing issues :( |
| 14:40.23 | zZzz | but ok ill keep digging |
| 14:40.42 | zZzz | thanks for the help guys |
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| 14:43.32 | burne- | how do i make missiles go straight? |
| 14:43.39 | burne- | I mean my missiles facing angle is all messed up |
| 14:43.46 | burne- | it should face target ground point |
| 14:43.48 | burne- | but t doesnt |
| 14:48.49 | Vailreth | damn Z left |
| 14:52.25 | JoBoDo | Vail |
| 14:52.31 | JoBoDo | how do I set name of my item container etc |
| 14:52.36 | JoBoDo | cause its just being empty slot |
| 14:52.37 | JoBoDo | lol |
| 14:52.54 | JoBoDo | and there aren many options in the Item Container section |
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| 15:04.42 | Vailreth | how do mean set the name? |
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| 15:08.20 | Vailreth | ack he quit too? |
| 15:16.17 | burne- | PFFF |
| 15:16.26 | burne- | again i feel like iv made a hero that makes other heroes look like shit |
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| 15:21.26 | burne- | allthough its only 2 abilities for hero so far |
| 15:21.30 | burne- | but those 2 are cool ^^ |
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| 15:36.03 | Statharas | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/932170/Hive/TossHead2.png |
| 15:36.12 | Statharas | gonna be used in mah project :D |
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| 16:10.18 | swizzersweet | leet |
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| 16:24.42 | TheFrozenMuffin | hello, anyone home? |
| 16:27.26 | Helral|Afk | nope |
| 16:28.03 | TheFrozenMuffin | haha |
| 16:29.58 | Helral | so did you have any questions? |
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| 16:43.09 | swizzersweet | hayo |
| 16:43.34 | swizzersweet | where u guys buy pcs? |
| 16:45.13 | Clord | www.verkkokauppa.com etc |
| 16:45.15 | Clord | but those are finnish |
| 16:46.12 | Clord | to be more precise... we buy parts from there and then construct computers |
| 16:48.53 | TheFrozenMuffin | I'm trying to figure out how to build the Battlecruiser from the campaign |
| 16:49.03 | TheFrozenMuffin | The one with the 4 gatlings |
| 16:49.11 | TheFrozenMuffin | SS_Battlecruiser |
| 16:49.21 | TheFrozenMuffin | I got all the dependencies on. |
| 16:49.27 | TheFrozenMuffin | Made a button with the image |
| 16:49.54 | TheFrozenMuffin | but I don't know how to add it to the "Ability Commands - Train" of the Starport |
| 16:50.10 | TheFrozenMuffin | I open up a command with (none) (none) |
| 16:50.40 | TheFrozenMuffin | So I add my button, but I don't know what to put on "unit" |
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| 16:55.57 | TheFrozenMuffin | nevermind, just figured it out |
| 17:00.49 | Vailreth | if the zerg invaded earth in reality we would lose hard.. |
| 17:02.29 | flyingspatula | well be too busy invading back on stracraft at our computers |
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| 17:06.38 | JademusSreg | I awaken. |
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| 17:17.29 | Fenix | heya all |
| 17:17.35 | Fenix | hey Jade :P |
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| 17:20.03 | Fenix | hey swizz |
| 17:20.06 | Fenix | :P |
| 17:20.47 | JademusSreg | Hi. |
| 17:20.56 | Fenix | so |
| 17:21.04 | Fenix | yesterday most of my map got fixed. |
| 17:21.10 | Fenix | but still one big thing to do |
| 17:21.34 | Fenix | how can i sparate the resource of P1 and P2 but both controled by P1 |
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| 17:22.33 | JademusSreg | Interesting problem. One way is to do it based on units selected, the way resources displayed for spectators used to change. |
| 17:22.39 | Fenix | separate |
| 17:22.40 | Fenix | * |
| 17:23.37 | JademusSreg | So if you're selecting P1 units, only P1's resources will be displayed. This requires both players be controlled, and that the player doesn't own P1 units. Know what I mean? |
| 17:23.51 | JademusSreg | Only if that player is sperate can it have its own resource pool. |
| 17:24.15 | JademusSreg | *separate (me tooo) |
| 17:24.18 | Fenix | P1 shouldn't be P1 but like P3? |
| 17:24.32 | Fenix | and both P3 and P2 be controled by P1? |
| 17:24.49 | JademusSreg | Yeah, so the map will have 3 player slots, precisely. |
| 17:25.28 | Fenix | It can't works with P1 control P1 and P2 is controled by P1 but works with the units selected? |
| 17:27.14 | JademusSreg | I've not tinkered much with shared control in SC2, but the basic idea is that each player will have their own resource pools, and when you select the units for that player, your resources will be set to match that player's current resources (update this value, say, 32 times per game second using a thread with a wait 0 loop). |
| 17:27.19 | Fenix | Caus the thing is, if I want to buy something to P1 (or P2) but the player have not enough resource, it will take some of the other player. |
| 17:28.20 | Fenix | actually my refresh for my dialogs is a periodic event with 0.08sec |
| 17:28.30 | JademusSreg | One point that is unclear to me is that if you control another player's units, and use an ability that uses resource, like training a unit, does it use your resources and that player's resources? I'm assuming the former. |
| 17:28.33 | Fenix | i think its enough fast |
| 17:29.18 | JademusSreg | The fundamental time unit in SC2 is 1 engine tick, which is 1/32 game seconds, which is 1/48 real seconds on Fastest. |
| 17:29.22 | Fenix | If P1 got like 250 resource and P2 got 200, and you want to buy a CC to P2, it will take the 200 of player 2 plus 200 of player 1 |
| 17:29.47 | JademusSreg | So all valid time values are multiples of 1/32. |
| 17:30.29 | JademusSreg | Though for most purposes, it is 1/16, because of how the event manager works. |
| 17:30.31 | Fenix | so my periodic even may be at 0.03125 sec? |
| 17:31.01 | Fenix | but /we thats not my problem now xD |
| 17:31.27 | JademusSreg | Periodic triggers cannot execute more often than 16 times per game second, due to the limits of the event manager. Wait 0 loops execute 32 times per game second, because they don't rely on the event manager. |
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| 17:32.20 | Fenix | um, and what is a "wait 0 loops"? |
| 17:32.41 | JademusSreg | A loop with a Wait(0,c_timeGame) call. |
| 17:33.35 | Fenix | and how do we set a loop. I never used loop. |
| 17:34.35 | JademusSreg | Galaxy has while and do while loops, and those loops can be used to emulate most other kinds of loops. |
| 17:35.04 | JademusSreg | So if you wanted a loop forever in galaxy, you wolud call while(true) { |
| 17:35.33 | Fenix | but i dont use galaxy code. I use trigger =/ you know how in triggers? |
| 17:35.56 | JademusSreg | And that is precisely the expression to which the GUI action Loop Forever is interpreted. |
| 17:36.40 | JademusSreg | I think flow controls and shit are in General. |
| 17:38.43 | Fenix | so, i have to make a trigger that if the units selected is to P1 (i.e) it makes me unable to spend P2 resource, and if I have a P2 selected, it makes me unable to spend P1 resource? |
| 17:40.27 | JademusSreg | Yes, by changing the resources for the user to correspond to the selected player's resources. |
| 17:40.28 | Fenix | and this will need to be a very fast trigger caus if the player that is playing is doing something like 200APM um... this mean he could be using mineral of both |
| 17:40.48 | JademusSreg | "Fast trigger", haha. |
| 17:41.01 | Fenix | wut? |
| 17:41.18 | Fenix | what about Sc1 HyperTrigger trick :P |
| 17:41.26 | JademusSreg | A wait 0 loop to update the user's resources based on unit selection state should work. |
| 17:41.29 | JademusSreg | Hahaha |
| 17:41.31 | JademusSreg | Hilarious. |
| 17:41.50 | Fenix | but... how do we set a wait 0 loop in triggers |
| 17:42.19 | JademusSreg | You make a loop and add a Wait action with a duration of 0, and be certain it is in game time. |
| 17:42.51 | Fenix | and... where do i make a loop? (as i said, i never used that >.<) |
| 17:43.37 | JademusSreg | As I said, flow controls should be in General. A loop controls the flow of the trigger, ya know? |
| 17:45.13 | Fenix | um.. i dont think so. |
| 17:46.36 | JademusSreg | Yup. |
| 17:46.58 | JademusSreg | Break, Return, Repeat, Repeat Forever, Wait, While, these are flow controls. |
| 17:47.02 | Fenix | um, I make a "While" trigger where i can put in it the condition of Unit selected and then the action |
| 17:47.06 | Fenix | okk |
| 17:47.11 | JademusSreg | Yeah, you could. |
| 17:47.27 | Fenix | i still need to add a wait 0 game time? |
| 17:47.56 | JademusSreg | Hm, depends. The loop needs to be a separate thread from event-driven triggers. |
| 17:48.46 | Fenix | if in my trigger i just have the while with the actions, without a Event (i could just say in another trigger to run this one) |
| 17:49.54 | JademusSreg | You want this thread to run at the start of the map, because its sole purpose is to update the resource counter with the highest time precision. So a map init event and a Repeat Forever is advisable. |
| 17:51.04 | Fenix | actually, it could not be activated at the game start but when the player choose the computer difficulty. There is a menu that pop-up at start with difficulty level. |
| 17:51.19 | JademusSreg | And inside that loop, you add a Wait 0 in it on the end, and above it you use if else block to evaluation the user state. |
| 17:51.30 | JademusSreg | *evaluate |
| 17:51.53 | Fenix | why evaluate the user state? |
| 17:52.01 | Fenix | if he still alive? |
| 17:52.19 | JademusSreg | User state in the sesne of which player unit it has selected. |
| 17:52.45 | JademusSreg | Say yiou have a global variable. |
| 17:53.01 | JademusSreg | Or use a Player Custom / User-Defined Value, whatever the term 8is. |
| 17:53.27 | JademusSreg | And you use that to save the player selected by the user. |
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| 17:53.45 | JademusSreg | So then the loop with use that vlaue in a condition. |
| 17:54.33 | JademusSreg | An if else condition to be specific. |
| 17:55.34 | Fenix | um... *feel lost* If you know how to do, could you show me? I could send you the map so you might have a better idea and then you could set some triggers and give it me back so I can understand what you did? |
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| 17:56.37 | JademusSreg | Naw, I explain. |
| 17:56.59 | JademusSreg | Say you have 2 triggers. |
| 17:57.02 | Fenix | Ok. well. One step at a time like a tutorial :P |
| 17:57.11 | Fenix | first trigger is : |
| 17:57.12 | Fenix | xD |
| 17:57.38 | JademusSreg | 1 with the selection event, and 1 with the event map init or whatever arbitrary time you want to start the resource update thread, |
| 17:58.12 | Fenix | ok lets start with selection event |
| 17:58.17 | JademusSreg | In the trigger with the selection event, you get the owner of the selected unit and save it to a global variable or a player custom value. |
| 17:59.09 | Fenix | i have to add a condition, if it is P1 then, if it is P2 then? |
| 18:00.12 | JademusSreg | In the other trigger, you have a Repeat Forever loop, with an if condition block (if player 1 or player 2 then...) that sets the resources fir the uyser to the resources for the selected player, then a Wait 0. |
| 18:00.26 | JademusSreg | *for the user |
| 18:00.52 | Fenix | both of my resources are shown at the same time |
| 18:00.55 | Fenix | like in 1v1 replay |
| 18:01.33 | JademusSreg | Clarify, what is the problem? |
| 18:02.06 | Fenix | why this "sets the resources for the user to the resources for the selected player, then a Wait 0." |
| 18:02.19 | Fenix | if both resources are show |
| 18:03.04 | JademusSreg | I mean what is the original problem. |
| 18:03.33 | JademusSreg | If my solution is wrong, it is because I misunderstand the problem, of course. =D |
| 18:04.27 | Fenix | make P1 unable to spend his resource and P2 resource at the same time and P2 unable to spend his resource and P1 resource. Actually, you can spend both of the players resource for one of them. |
| 18:05.21 | Fenix | =S not sure how to say... |
| 18:05.30 | JademusSreg | I cannot understand if these are desired mechanics or undesirable. |
| 18:05.48 | JademusSreg | Can you phrase your problem within a question? |
| 18:06.03 | Fenix | sec ill try to explain in a different way >.< |
| 18:07.17 | Fenix | We start with 2 bases. Both player start with 50 mineral. One of them could at the game start buy something at 100 mineral by using the both players resource. I don't want this to be possible. I want a player, a resource. |
| 18:07.50 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 18:08.01 | JademusSreg | Then forget everything I said before. |
| 18:08.02 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 18:08.18 | Fenix | but using the unit selected is a good idea i think |
| 18:08.22 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
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| 18:09.36 | JademusSreg | If the game's default behavior is to spend the controlled player's resources, and to share in that way, I do not see an intuitive way of preventing this. I can think of a few unituitive ways. |
| 18:10.53 | Fenix | as I said sooner, we can make an If P1 is selected, then unable P1 to spend resource of P2, and if P2 is selected, unable P1 to spend P1 resource |
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| 18:11.29 | JademusSreg | If there is a resource sharing flag one can toggle, then yes, that would work. |
| 18:11.35 | Fenix | but... just though to something.... what if the user select both units P1 and P2 |
| 18:11.59 | Fenix | this might not work correctly |
| 18:12.07 | JademusSreg | Naw, youj ust need to make a decision. |
| 18:12.28 | JademusSreg | Either multiselection results in an inability to spend or an ability to spend both. Consider it. |
| 18:12.38 | JademusSreg | You have a barracks selected from both players. |
| 18:12.55 | JademusSreg | Do you want to prevent spending or allow shared spending in this instance? |
| 18:13.34 | Fenix | i would like the active barrack caus the wont be both active caus of the players difference, to be able to spend. |
| 18:14.04 | Fenix | youi know, when you tab through a selection |
| 18:14.47 | JademusSreg | I don't think you can detect which unit is "tabbed". |
| 18:15.05 | Fenix | I'm sure of yes... otherway this would be stupid |
| 18:15.19 | Fenix | there is a highlight or something liek that |
| 18:15.22 | Fenix | probably |
| 18:16.23 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
| 18:16.30 | JademusSreg | Just checked the natives. |
| 18:16.38 | Fenix | how can you be sure? |
| 18:17.27 | JademusSreg | I have two sources of certainty: experience and understanding. |
| 18:18.27 | Fenix | but it needs a way to detect it through the sc2 gameplay. If you select a barrack and a factory, it will detect which of them is selected |
| 18:18.35 | Fenix | 'highighted' |
| 18:18.43 | Vailreth | be back in a sec folks |
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| 18:22.54 | JademusSreg | Anyway, what was the last message received? |
| 18:22.55 | JademusSreg | My internet is in a state of perfect shititude today. |
| 18:23.49 | Fenix | but it needs a way to detect it through the sc2 gameplay. If you select a barrack and a factory, it will detect which of them is selected |
| 18:23.54 | Fenix | :p |
| 18:25.01 | JademusSreg | You may find in life that what you want and what is possible are often at odds. =D |
| 18:25.26 | Fenix | then how work the sc2 engine to detect that? |
| 18:25.47 | Fenix | are there any trigger that refer to the unit tab? |
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| 18:27.18 | Jademus | And thus I said you needed to make a decision. |
| 18:27.38 | Fenix | what do you mean by that |
| 18:27.39 | tampa1adam | destroy all dialogs destroy all dialogs for all players? |
| 18:28.19 | JademusSreg | Dialog are not player instanced; their properties are. So destroying a dialog always destroys it for all players. |
| 18:29.22 | tampa1adam | I'm going to cry |
| 18:29.24 | Fenix | there is no way to know what is actually highlighted as active units in the unit bottom UI? |
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| 18:31.53 | Fenix | um... Does it count as selected both of the active or nonactive units 'selected'? |
| 18:32.15 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 18:32.28 | Fenix | i should try something... |
| 18:32.32 | JademusSreg | Active? |
| 18:33.06 | JademusSreg | A simple trigger to toggle player alliance setting Spend should be sufficient. |
| 18:33.08 | Fenix | yeah the unit that will show their command. |
| 18:33.17 | Fenix | yes |
| 18:33.19 | Fenix | i know |
| 18:33.47 | JademusSreg | I mean to assert that getting the active subgroup cannot be done. |
| 18:34.32 | JademusSreg | I make this assertion after examining the natives and reflecting on my experience, having never encountered such a native. |
| 18:36.54 | Fenix | can we create it (just a question) |
| 18:39.08 | JademusSreg | Naw. |
| 18:39.20 | JademusSreg | There's not even a work around on this. |
| 18:39.28 | Fenix | haha |
| 18:40.06 | JademusSreg | Actually, there might be, but it would be very complicated. |
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| 18:40.58 | Fenix | there is Always a way to get it done. You must just find it. |
| 18:42.36 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 18:44.09 | JademusSreg | If you used key event detection to detect tabs, and used catalog natives to find sub group priority, youm ight have a shot at determining which units in a selection group are "tabbed". |
| 18:44.51 | JademusSreg | But basically, you'd be reconstructing selecting groups, mirroring them, in the code. |
| 18:45.12 | JademusSreg | If you went through all that trouble, you could figure out which subgroup is selected. |
| 18:45.36 | Fenix | lol... |
| 18:45.58 | JademusSreg | Also, that is a very "dojinshi" way of thinking. |
| 18:46.02 | Fenix | at You have an idea how it could work, I don't. |
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| 18:46.39 | JademusSreg | May as well say "With love and friendship, we can defeat any adversary. As long as we belieeeeeeeeve." |
| 18:48.22 | Fenix | um got a problem. I have a trigger named dialogs refresh. I had it with a periodic event of 0.08sec it worked well, but I change it without the even and the actions in a While, since it is supposed to be faster. But i get the error "Dialogs refrsh took too long...." idk what was after. |
| 18:48.39 | Fenix | i dont have a wait in it, could it be this? |
| 18:49.34 | Fenix | i only got 3 set dialog text in the While |
| 18:49.40 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 18:50.08 | JademusSreg | Yeah, you need the wait so it doesn't hit an infinitel oop. |
| 18:50.12 | JademusSreg | *infinite loop |
| 18:50.22 | Fenix | kk. |
| 18:50.35 | tampa1adam | does destroy all dialog items affect all players? |
| 18:51.05 | Fenix | why dont you hide them for specific players instead of destroying them? |
| 18:51.52 | Fenix | The first time i did a trigger in sc2 it was at the beta and i forgot to put a wait. I had just a ping trigger that was executing so fast that make sc2 freeze. xD |
| 18:52.00 | tampa1adam | because I reference the same dialog item buttons on different frames |
| 18:52.14 | tampa1adam | for different players |
| 18:52.20 | JademusSreg | [14:27:49] <tampa1adam> destroy all dialogs destroy all dialogs for all players? |
| 18:52.20 | JademusSreg | [14:28:28] <JademusSreg> Dialog are not player instanced; their properties are. So destroying a dialog always destroys it for all players. |
| 18:52.38 | tampa1adam | yes but what about destroy all dialog items |
| 18:52.42 | JademusSreg | =\ |
| 18:52.51 | tampa1adam | those are the properties |
| 18:52.52 | tampa1adam | ? |
| 18:52.56 | JademusSreg | Naw. |
| 18:53.04 | tampa1adam | ok heres what im doing |
| 18:53.07 | tampa1adam | i have a menu |
| 18:53.12 | JademusSreg | Dialog items / controls are also objects. |
| 18:53.30 | JademusSreg | So their existence is global, thier properties are player instanced. |
| 18:53.38 | JademusSreg | *their |
| 18:53.40 | tampa1adam | well if a player checks a checkbox, I want to update their menu to be a different menu |
| 18:54.06 | tampa1adam | right now i mcatching checkbox clicks to show/hide different dialogs |
| 18:54.15 | Currydevil-away | so you hide the previous menu (before checkbox is selected) for them |
| 18:54.24 | Currydevil-away | and show the new menu |
| 18:54.25 | JademusSreg | You can toggle visibility, like others have suggested. |
| 18:54.27 | Currydevil-away | for that player only |
| 18:54.49 | Fenix | i would make a variable for every items and dialogs |
| 18:55.01 | Currydevil-away | you should always do that fenix =O |
| 18:55.05 | Vailreth | well i feel some what proud... i took some ones texture for the plasma battle cruiser and edited it to be a glowy version for the BC_RED_turret texxture and it looks good in game.. |
| 18:55.07 | Fenix | lol |
| 18:55.08 | tampa1adam | but if I reference the same dialog items in frame 2 as I do in Frame 1 the dialog items in frame 2 do not work |
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| 18:55.45 | JademusSreg | Of course not. |
| 18:55.52 | JademusSreg | Because they aren ot the same. |
| 18:55.52 | Currydevil-away | you have to make new items for the new menu. xD |
| 18:55.53 | Vailreth | well not proud exatcly i just think it looks cool |
| 18:55.59 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 18:56.47 | Currydevil | each dialog has to have it's own items |
| 18:57.12 | Currydevil | even if some of them are doing the same thing as in a previous frame. |
| 18:57.47 | tampa1adam | ok, so I should just make a new variable for the each menus items :D |
| 18:57.52 | Currydevil | yes |
| 18:58.03 | Currydevil | arrays are nice for that. |
| 18:58.23 | Currydevil | make an array for all the buttons on frame 1, can even add the buttons for frame 2 in the same one |
| 18:58.33 | Currydevil | just make sure you don't confuse your indexes ;) |
| 18:58.40 | JademusSreg | Arrays, struct arrays, yeah. =D |
| 18:59.04 | JademusSreg | Or if you wanna emulate classes and dynamic memory allocation, data tables. |
| 18:59.35 | Currydevil | ohh yeah, i've only played with data tables a very little bit. |
| 19:00.16 | Currydevil | but works just like setting a variable iirc. |
| 19:00.26 | Currydevil | or using one anwyays. |
| 19:01.37 | JademusSreg | I've heard data tables are pretty wasteful with memory, though, which is disappointing. But it doesn't count toward the VM limit, which is nice. |
| 19:02.25 | Currydevil | Data question for you Jade: can you call an apply behavior as a damage response ? or something with transfer behavior? I'm trying to achieve this: Marine has behavior A. Zergling attacks Marine and Behavior A has a chance to apply stun to Zergling. |
| 19:03.44 | Currydevil | i've thought about applying a dummy behavior to the zergling when he's in melee range of the marine, but i still am not sure how to apply the stun to him based on his attack |
| 19:05.09 | JademusSreg | Alright, you want to apply a buff on damage, yeah? |
| 19:05.19 | Currydevil | yeah |
| 19:05.36 | Currydevil | but not the target receiving damage, the target doing the damage |
| 19:05.59 | JademusSreg | Change the weapon's effect to a Set effect, and make that Set effect apply two effects, Damage and Apply Behavior. |
| 19:06.20 | Currydevil | oh ok |
| 19:06.30 | Currydevil | Hmmm |
| 19:06.31 | JademusSreg | Oh, I missed that last part. |
| 19:06.47 | JademusSreg | You want the source to have a buff applied to it? |
| 19:06.47 | Currydevil | that's a lot of work then, i will have to change the weapons on all the melee hostile units lol |
| 19:07.02 | Currydevil | Yeah, I want the defender to have a "armor" buff |
| 19:07.11 | Currydevil | so any melee that attack him, have a chance to be stunned. |
| 19:07.19 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 19:07.27 | JademusSreg | See, that's a much clearer objective. |
| 19:07.41 | Currydevil | oh ok ;) sorry, thought i had it pretty well explained above =O |
| 19:08.12 | JademusSreg | A damage response behavior on the unit is the way to go, then, yes. See example: Immortal's Hardened Shields |
| 19:08.18 | Currydevil | it just doesn't seem that buffs damage response can do apply behavior effects |
| 19:08.30 | Vailreth | wouldnt that be a behavior with a damage response with an apply behavior to source? |
| 19:08.33 | Vailreth | hm |
| 19:08.43 | Fenix | Is there a way to set the circle color of the Allies? Instead of yellow i would make it green like if it was our units? |
| 19:08.47 | JademusSreg | I'll need to open the editor for this one. |
| 19:08.55 | Currydevil | haha |
| 19:08.55 | Currydevil | ok |
| 19:09.40 | Currydevil | I just can't seem to find how to do it, i've considered the weapon modification. it would be a workaround, but i would have to make the set for every melee unit |
| 19:10.08 | JademusSreg | Set Location to Attacker (from Defender) first. |
| 19:10.09 | Currydevil | and make some validators, and make it only effective when in range of the marine. |
| 19:11.04 | JademusSreg | A validator to check for range, yeah. |
| 19:11.20 | JademusSreg | I see Require Effect Array and Exclude Effect Array. |
| 19:11.48 | JademusSreg | Also, Handled and Exhuasted fields are for effects as well. |
| 19:11.56 | Currydevil | oh really? |
| 19:12.08 | Currydevil | never payed attention to those. |
| 19:12.20 | JademusSreg | Unfrotunately, since I haven't tinkered here, I can't be certain as to what they all do. |
| 19:12.31 | Currydevil | hehe, np |
| 19:12.32 | JademusSreg | Require and Exclude appear to relate to the Target Filters. |
| 19:12.45 | JademusSreg | And Handled and Exhausted are damage response flags. |
| 19:13.00 | JademusSreg | That's all I can say. But what you want is possible. =D |
| 19:13.39 | Fenix | and what about the yellow allies circle? xDDD |
| 19:13.59 | Currydevil | well |
| 19:14.00 | JademusSreg | Fenix, nothing can be done about those, I think. |
| 19:14.10 | JademusSreg | If you made the4m enemies, they would be red. |
| 19:14.13 | JademusSreg | That's about it. |
| 19:14.36 | JademusSreg | Rather, if you made the alliance setting for the user toward them enemies, they would turn red. |
| 19:14.44 | Currydevil | yeah, it seems that is hardcode, there is no actor for them |
| 19:14.57 | Currydevil | you would probably just have to export the model, recolor and import it? |
| 19:15.02 | JademusSreg | Also, Curry, note that validators can also run effects. |
| 19:15.02 | Fenix | :( in sc1 you could put some units to certain player and their circle was like, grey, black, white, green, yellow, red, etc. |
| 19:15.24 | Currydevil | Oh ok, i'll have to look into that. I'm still learning validators. |
| 19:15.29 | Currydevil | to use them effectively |
| 19:15.30 | JademusSreg | So if the ambiguity of the damage response is too much to tackle at this time, you can make the validators run the effects. |
| 19:15.33 | JademusSreg | Anyway, bbl |
| 19:15.38 | Currydevil | thanks Jade :) |
| 19:16.17 | Currydevil | dunno Fenix, I never tried doing that in sc1 |
| 19:16.23 | Fenix | haha |
| 19:16.43 | Fenix | well. There is many thing you should have tryed. |
| 19:17.08 | Currydevil | lol |
| 19:17.08 | Fenix | Like placing a Nuke to player something like 195 will make Player 1 Zerg supply limit be 400 more XD |
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| 19:17.49 | Fenix | if you place a unit to a certain player, it changes the damage of Storm |
| 19:17.50 | Fenix | etc |
| 19:17.58 | Currydevil | the extent i have with sc1 like that is changing the payer color to those wacky colors. the black/white/cyan and messed up colors. |
| 19:18.00 | Fenix | there are few things with players 13 to 255 |
| 19:18.14 | Currydevil | didn't even know you could set players beyond 8 or whatever. |
| 19:18.22 | JademusSreg | Fenix, you could use catalog actions at runtime to modify GameUI values, since catalog values are often player instanced. |
| 19:18.27 | JademusSreg | Back to afk |
| 19:18.56 | Fenix | i dont even know what a catalog is spposed to be. |
| 19:19.01 | Fenix | xD |
| 19:20.48 | Vailreth | curry i have a behavior that works some what like you described |
| 19:22.37 | Currydevil | ok, working on it atm. going to try the apply effect on the handled part of damage response |
| 19:22.56 | Vailreth | that dosent work with out a search effect in between |
| 19:23.18 | Vailreth | atleast i couldnt get it to work at first i may try some other things |
| 19:24.19 | Vailreth | i see my issue ... it needed to be defender instead of attacker |
| 19:25.14 | Currydevil | Lol, it "works" just applying to the wrong target |
| 19:25.44 | Vailreth | what do you have the apply behavior unit set to? |
| 19:26.39 | Currydevil | location on the damage response is set to attacker, but i think i might have goofed, i set the effect apply target to source |
| 19:27.12 | Vailreth | ah i have it working with damage response set to defender and apply effect set to target |
| 19:28.33 | Currydevil | aha that's beautiful! |
| 19:28.55 | Currydevil | yeah, i had location to attacker, so I guess the damage response was firing when I attacked instead of them attacking. |
| 19:29.17 | Vailreth | some things in the editor are so simple... other things that seem like they would be simple but instead are tedius |
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| 19:29.44 | Currydevil | that's ok, got it working much faster than some of my missiles that had a few fields not right. |
| 19:29.44 | Currydevil | lol |
| 19:30.13 | Vailreth | for example i have an ability that calls down a self building bunker... and i had to create a completely new seperate version of the abilities effect chain and the units and abilities it used |
| 19:30.40 | Vailreth | so i could have a bunker that had a healing buff applied to units inside |
| 19:31.05 | Currydevil | ah |
| 19:32.12 | Vailreth | the first level of that ability calls down a shrike turret bunker that spawns four auto turrets |
| 19:33.14 | Vailreth | the second version can fit two marauders and two marines and has a healing buff plu the shrike and auto turrets |
| 19:34.31 | Currydevil | oo |
| 19:34.45 | Vailreth | Death Punch: the Lemonning... |
| 19:34.57 | Vailreth | hmm sounds better in my head |
| 19:35.20 | TheFrozenMuffin | howdy |
| 19:35.26 | Currydevil | that one i just finished, has lighting traps, a slam + knockup and now his stun armor. |
| 19:36.39 | Vailreth | hello Muffinman |
| 19:37.07 | TheFrozenMuffin | how are yous doing? |
| 19:37.20 | Vailreth | i am the ok |
| 19:38.50 | TheFrozenMuffin | sweet, I'm pretty new to editing. I'm trying to learn by making a pretty simple map. |
| 19:39.05 | Vailreth | i see. |
| 19:40.59 | TheFrozenMuffin | I'm trying to build the "ss_battlecruiser." I finally got the starport to build it. but it's uncontrollable. It just sits there doing nothing, I can't even click on it. |
| 19:41.44 | Vailreth | i see |
| 19:42.12 | Vailreth | i think i know how to fix that but i am curious as to why you would want the story mode bc |
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| 19:44.04 | TheFrozenMuffin | I need two terran capital ships |
| 19:44.31 | Vailreth | ah well you could use the Plasma bc |
| 19:44.34 | TheFrozenMuffin | The story mode bc is going to be the "Destroyer" and the regular bc is going to be the "Battleship" |
| 19:45.20 | TheFrozenMuffin | Plasma? |
| 19:45.30 | TheFrozenMuffin | I don't see that unit... |
| 19:45.31 | Vailreth | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/development/artist-tavern/20736-battlecruiser-plasma-version/ |
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| 19:46.03 | Vailreth | its not a unit you would have to make one your self and there is an art issue which this thread can help fix |
| 19:47.46 | TheFrozenMuffin | the SS_Battlecruiser (I think it is called the loki) is already a unit. I made a button for it. And I put the unit in the ability. But it just sits there. |
| 19:48.00 | TheFrozenMuffin | I was able to add the science vessel without a problem. |
| 19:48.27 | TheFrozenMuffin | If I can't get this to work, I'm just gonna duplicate the regular bc and scale it down so it's a smaller version. |
| 19:48.58 | Vailreth | ah the loki ok i can explain how to fix that |
| 19:49.12 | Vailreth | first you will need to go to the units tab and find that unit. |
| 19:50.24 | TheFrozenMuffin | ok, there |
| 19:51.44 | TheFrozenMuffin | One strange thing about ss_battlecruiser is that it doesn't even have a cost tab |
| 19:51.57 | Vailreth | you will need to find the unit flags field name and double click the field value to bring up the flags. |
| 19:52.53 | TheFrozenMuffin | (I wonder if it would be easier with "merc jackson's revenge" it's the same one, but it has a cost tab. |
| 19:53.57 | TheFrozenMuffin | ah... |
| 19:54.01 | TheFrozenMuffin | "Cannot be clicked" |
| 19:54.03 | TheFrozenMuffin | haha |
| 19:54.08 | Vailreth | the ss_battlecruiser has a costs tab its likely just lost in the combine like values |
| 19:54.43 | Vailreth | if you turn on table view and turn off combine like values things are easier to find |
| 19:55.08 | TheFrozenMuffin | when I changed the flags |
| 19:55.22 | TheFrozenMuffin | a cost tab appeared |
| 19:55.28 | TheFrozenMuffin | let me test it out |
| 19:55.31 | Vailreth | hm. |
| 19:58.35 | TheFrozenMuffin | Ok, It is now selectable |
| 19:58.38 | TheFrozenMuffin | and it is movable |
| 19:58.47 | TheFrozenMuffin | weapon animation is good |
| 19:58.55 | TheFrozenMuffin | but it does not rotate |
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| 19:59.52 | Vailreth | its not Turnable by Default you will have to add on the Turanble flag |
| 20:00.55 | Vailreth | The SS_ prefix denotes the Arcade game Lost Viking units |
| 20:01.11 | TheFrozenMuffin | really? thats good to know. |
| 20:01.16 | Vailreth | i believe so |
| 20:03.39 | TheFrozenMuffin | haha |
| 20:03.40 | TheFrozenMuffin | works |
| 20:03.45 | TheFrozenMuffin | and I had it rotate before moving |
| 20:03.51 | TheFrozenMuffin | but I just saw the attack... |
| 20:04.11 | TheFrozenMuffin | strange, I bet it is from lost vikings cause it's down, like a bombardment |
| 20:06.36 | Currydevil | wish it was a little easier making beams look like they fired from space. |
| 20:07.16 | Vailreth | i did something like that once Curry i had maraders firing their grenades from orbit |
| 20:08.08 | Currydevil | trying to make a mohander beam shoot from orbit, but the site op to rotate it doesn't work out |
| 20:08.24 | Currydevil | I mean, I would love to have it use a z projectile |
| 20:08.33 | Currydevil | but i tried that once too following a tut, and i broke it lol |
| 20:09.32 | Currydevil | used a siteop on a flame attack effect elsewhere, so that shoots up from the ground |
| 20:09.37 | Currydevil | but if i use it on the beam it doesn't work |
| 20:09.59 | Currydevil | I've considered making an invisible unit flying up really high and just connect the beams xD lol |
| 20:14.21 | TheFrozenMuffin | Is scaling a unit easy? |
| 20:14.33 | slightlyrandom | Yes |
| 20:14.39 | slightlyrandom | Just scale the actor |
| 20:14.55 | slightlyrandom | Along X Y and Z axis |
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| 20:24.08 | Wiz10011 | Hello |
| 20:24.15 | Fenix | yo |
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| 20:25.07 | phoenix7700 | sup |
| 20:25.18 | Wiz10011 | Hello |
| 20:25.58 | Fenix | Hum, how works the Reveal when a player command 0 primary base such as Hatchery, Nexus, CC...? |
| 20:26.19 | Fenix | caus in my map, i want it to work. but it dont seems to. |
| 20:26.22 | Currydevil | turns on shared vision i imagine. |
| 20:26.35 | Fenix | it is not a shared vision |
| 20:26.44 | Currydevil | well, i dunno then ;) was a first guess |
| 20:26.49 | Currydevil | i'm not looked into it |
| 20:26.54 | TheFrozenMuffin | Where is the value of the build time at? |
| 20:26.59 | Fenix | because you would see what the unit see, that shared only show the unit itself |
| 20:29.48 | Vailreth | build time for what? |
| 20:31.05 | Currydevil | the bc |
| 20:31.08 | TheFrozenMuffin | ya |
| 20:32.22 | TheFrozenMuffin | And when you say change the actor's size, do you mean the "scale maximum and scale minimum"? |
| 20:32.45 | Currydevil | that works, or you can go to the actor |
| 20:32.46 | Fenix | is there a way to make a pathing specific to a player? |
| 20:32.47 | TheFrozenMuffin | because my custom bc Just pops right out. it has no build time |
| 20:32.49 | Currydevil | and just change scale |
| 20:32.59 | TheFrozenMuffin | where is "change scale" at. |
| 20:33.04 | Currydevil | on the actor |
| 20:33.26 | Fenix | is there a way to make a pathing specific to a player? |
| 20:33.31 | Currydevil | no idea fenix. |
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| 20:35.29 | TheFrozenMuffin | thanks got the size to work |
| 20:35.50 | TheFrozenMuffin | Just need to set up the build time now... |
| 20:40.31 | Fenix | where can we modify the "Tips" in the loading screen? |
| 20:41.48 | Clord | you can modify them |
| 20:41.54 | Clord | but SCII ignores your modification |
| 20:41.55 | Clord | for tips |
| 20:42.01 | Clord | if you mean loading screen |
| 20:42.21 | Fenix | most of the map on the net have some modifed tips |
| 20:42.26 | Fenix | where can i do the same? |
| 20:42.57 | Clord | if you mean F12 menu tips... then that's easy... just use event to add one |
| 20:43.09 | Fenix | loading screen |
| 20:43.30 | Fenix | top of the load in the loading screen |
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| 20:43.58 | Clord | it is called "help" in the editor |
| 20:44.08 | Clord | and most maps fake it |
| 20:44.11 | Clord | they just write one help |
| 20:44.12 | Clord | so it shows |
| 20:44.13 | Fenix | okk |
| 20:44.34 | Clord | if you leave "help" thing to blank... it uses random melee tips |
| 20:44.35 | Clord | XD |
| 20:44.47 | Fenix | ok |
| 20:44.48 | Fenix | thx |
| 20:45.12 | Clord | thus for example I just did type there "Welcome back, commander" |
| 20:46.29 | Clord | no problem... enjoy from buggy help system what does not obey data editor's changes XD |
| 20:47.16 | Fenix | no matter xD at that point, I'm far from wanting something more and not buggy. Just a little tip and there I'm fine. |
| 20:47.42 | Fenix | um... what could be a funny tip ? |
| 20:51.08 | Wiz10011 | Will having alot of actions in a trigger cause problems? (I mean like say 25 lines of actions all because a unit entered a region? |
| 20:54.11 | Fenix | why would it not work. If any of the trigger make a delay it should work. Otherway if it creates thousand of Zergling it may lag a bit but still it will execute all |
| 20:54.27 | Fenix | even if* |
| 20:55.27 | Fenix | idk what is the limit of actions in a trigger... |
| 20:56.34 | TheFrozenMuffin | got the build time, whot whot! |
| 20:56.41 | Fenix | :P |
| 20:56.56 | TheFrozenMuffin | battleships at .1 size are sooooooo cute ^^ |
| 20:57.01 | Fenix | hey got a epic funny help tip for the loading screen? |
| 20:57.07 | TheFrozenMuffin | until their lasers fire at normal size haha |
| 20:57.11 | Fenix | lol |
| 20:59.04 | phoenix7700 | im trying to get a build time on an ability |
| 20:59.09 | phoenix7700 | howd you do it! |
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| 20:59.37 | Wiz10011 | Sorry fenis, let me rephrase the question, I have a trigger that runs when a unit enters a region, depending on what unit enters it it creates a unit, So if its not say a hydralisk and I have 20 actions after that have a condition to prevent that action from being running, just curiousn if it would cause a lag spike or anything. |
| 20:59.48 | Wiz10011 | Never did a trigger this long before so just curious. |
| 21:00.24 | phoenix7700 | i guess technicall its not on the abilit but on the unit it spawns |
| 21:00.45 | phoenix7700 | hey wiz, it depends on the number of conditions you hve |
| 21:01.07 | Wiz10011 | I see. |
| 21:01.21 | phoenix7700 | becasue each condition will be checked every time |
| 21:01.41 | phoenix7700 | then it'll do some of the actions |
| 21:01.43 | phoenix7700 | so |
| 21:01.43 | Wiz10011 | each of the actions have a conditions. (they're if then else) |
| 21:01.48 | phoenix7700 | ya |
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| 21:02.00 | phoenix7700 | so if in each possibility |
| 21:02.05 | phoenix7700 | there are only like 4 actions |
| 21:02.11 | phoenix7700 | then you're fine |
| 21:02.25 | Fenix | lots of map use a huge if then else statement and it works fine. As far as I know. |
| 21:02.28 | Wiz10011 | would breaking that one trigger up that has 20 actions into smaller one help? |
| 21:02.39 | phoenix7700 | no |
| 21:02.48 | phoenix7700 | if you have alot of options |
| 21:02.53 | phoenix7700 | you should just use a switch |
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| 21:03.02 | Wiz10011 | I see, Thank you guys for the help. |
| 21:03.15 | phoenix7700 | like more than 3 |
| 21:04.04 | Fenix | any funny tip for my map? xD |
| 21:04.34 | phoenix7700 | funny tip? |
| 21:04.41 | Fenix | in the loading screen |
| 21:04.48 | Fenix | there is a tip place :P |
| 21:04.54 | phoenix7700 | ah |
| 21:04.58 | phoenix7700 | you can turn it off |
| 21:05.08 | Fenix | i dont want to :P |
| 21:05.15 | phoenix7700 | ahh well |
| 21:05.24 | phoenix7700 | i dont know what your map is about |
| 21:05.27 | phoenix7700 | to make a tip for it |
| 21:06.20 | Fenix | it is like a double 1v1. there is 2 side of my map and both cant interact together. |
| 21:06.27 | Fenix | You control 2 bases. |
| 21:06.38 | phoenix7700 | omg |
| 21:06.42 | phoenix7700 | thats insane |
| 21:06.46 | Fenix | it is to pratice multitasking |
| 21:07.20 | Clord | well... it is kinda liek how shallow vanilla SCII melee is |
| 21:07.21 | Clord | XD |
| 21:07.34 | Clord | I mean.. unlike many other RTS games |
| 21:07.40 | Clord | blizzard aims to have multitasking as challenge |
| 21:07.43 | phoenix7700 | sc2 melee isnt shallow |
| 21:08.47 | phoenix7700 | working one base is hard enough, then you make it two gotta have like 500 apm |
| 21:09.01 | Clord | hehe I should have been more precise... there is some RTS games what are more complex than SCII... yeah SCII is not as shallow like some Red Alert from 2d era |
| 21:09.10 | phoenix7700 | lots of pros don't even have averages like that high |
| 21:09.24 | Clord | and I more meant like.. how SCII is mostly about APM instead of actual strategy... it is about APM + tactics |
| 21:09.52 | phoenix7700 | if you play vrs someone that is on a similar level to you with apm |
| 21:09.55 | Fenix | not only apm, but "how you use your apm" |
| 21:09.57 | phoenix7700 | it's about strategy |
| 21:10.23 | phoenix7700 | if you play at 150apm vrs someone at 30apm |
| 21:10.28 | Fenix | someone could have 100 average apm and you have only 50 but you could easily win |
| 21:10.31 | phoenix7700 | then its no contest |
| 21:10.31 | Fenix | it depends |
| 21:10.38 | phoenix7700 | that too |
| 21:10.42 | phoenix7700 | if you just apm spam |
| 21:10.44 | phoenix7700 | you are an idiot |
| 21:11.06 | phoenix7700 | i can keep 200apm easy |
| 21:11.14 | Fenix | of course if you play 150apm vs 30, there might be a chance that the 150 will do more things.. |
| 21:11.19 | phoenix7700 | without building anything |
| 21:12.00 | Fenix | here is the tip i'm going to put in my loading screen: "Using control group may be freaking very usefull." |
| 21:12.26 | phoenix7700 | if you want a USEFUL and not funny tip |
| 21:12.40 | phoenix7700 | put it something about location saving |
| 21:12.46 | phoenix7700 | with f5-f8 |
| 21:12.49 | phoenix7700 | by default |
| 21:12.56 | Fenix | i never used that |
| 21:12.59 | phoenix7700 | yea |
| 21:13.06 | Fenix | the F5 etc are too far |
| 21:13.07 | phoenix7700 | but if you are trying to manage two base |
| 21:13.16 | phoenix7700 | i changed mine to f1-f4 |
| 21:13.21 | phoenix7700 | makes it easier |
| 21:13.39 | Fenix | i just put in control the main bases and double clic it control |
| 21:13.52 | Fenix | so it jump to it |
| 21:13.53 | phoenix7700 | yea |
| 21:13.53 | phoenix7700 | but |
| 21:14.03 | phoenix7700 | if you want to move a unit to a location |
| 21:14.11 | phoenix7700 | that has no unit already there |
| 21:14.15 | phoenix7700 | like front of enemy base |
| 21:14.18 | phoenix7700 | or |
| 21:14.25 | phoenix7700 | you want to transfer to expand |
| 21:14.41 | phoenix7700 | or if you are like me and you keep all you main bases on the same control group |
| 21:14.45 | Fenix | you can ask your unit to move at the saved location? |
| 21:14.51 | phoenix7700 | no |
| 21:14.55 | phoenix7700 | but you can select it |
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| 21:14.57 | phoenix7700 | then press f1 |
| 21:15.01 | phoenix7700 | and click the screen |
| 21:15.12 | phoenix7700 | alot faster than clicking your map |
| 21:15.15 | phoenix7700 | or scrolling |
| 21:15.17 | Fenix | are the saved location shown somewhere? |
| 21:15.21 | phoenix7700 | no |
| 21:15.27 | phoenix7700 | you just have to remember |
| 21:15.48 | phoenix7700 | it's just a quicker camera control |
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| 21:15.56 | phoenix7700 | to "important locations" |
| 21:16.05 | phoenix7700 | but it can be anywhere you decide |
| 21:16.19 | Fenix | well, i use the minimap alot and more than everything the mouse wheel |
| 21:16.24 | phoenix7700 | yea |
| 21:16.32 | phoenix7700 | dont use the mouse wheel |
| 21:16.34 | phoenix7700 | its SO SLOW |
| 21:16.39 | Fenix | you can change it |
| 21:16.41 | Fenix | :P |
| 21:16.51 | Fenix | acutally, I've put it in 100% |
| 21:16.53 | Fenix | speed |
| 21:16.54 | Fenix | -_- |
| 21:16.55 | phoenix7700 | still |
| 21:16.59 | phoenix7700 | it's slower |
| 21:17.02 | phoenix7700 | than clicking the map |
| 21:17.14 | phoenix7700 | if you are going farther than 1/2 the distance of the screen |
| 21:17.33 | phoenix7700 | if you have to mvoe the screen so far that a unit in the middle is no longer visible |
| 21:17.36 | phoenix7700 | you shoudl have used the map |
| 21:17.37 | Fenix | what i would really like to be able to change is the mineral/gas/supply UI. I would like it to be over the control group |
| 21:17.47 | phoenix7700 | you can do that |
| 21:18.05 | Fenix | we can? |
| 21:18.08 | phoenix7700 | yes |
| 21:18.11 | Fenix | HOW? |
| 21:18.24 | phoenix7700 | im pretty sure that anything with UI can't be dont in the gui |
| 21:18.26 | phoenix7700 | though |
| 21:18.33 | phoenix7700 | the way i looks i mean |
| 21:18.38 | phoenix7700 | like locations of stuff |
| 21:18.42 | phoenix7700 | it uses XML |
| 21:18.48 | phoenix7700 | look up some tutorials on it |
| 21:18.50 | phoenix7700 | there are alot |
| 21:19.07 | JademusSreg | pew pew |
| 21:19.09 | Fenix | -_- so i would have to modify some files if i want that UI to be changed place? |
| 21:19.21 | phoenix7700 | yep |
| 21:19.53 | Fenix | =/ it would be more easy if blizzard was just adding an option for it xD |
| 21:20.08 | phoenix7700 | ya |
| 21:20.11 | phoenix7700 | but they didn't |
| 21:20.18 | Fenix | i always though top right corner is too far and we dont always look at it |
| 21:20.36 | phoenix7700 | oh wait |
| 21:20.36 | Fenix | until we hear something like build more supply deopt |
| 21:20.37 | Fenix | -_- |
| 21:20.41 | Currydevil | lol |
| 21:20.42 | phoenix7700 | are you trying to do it for melee games? |
| 21:20.45 | phoenix7700 | or your map? |
| 21:21.01 | Fenix | for the game itselft |
| 21:21.03 | Fenix | not my map |
| 21:21.08 | phoenix7700 | ya you can't do that |
| 21:21.13 | phoenix7700 | only for your map |
| 21:21.16 | Fenix | =( |
| 21:21.28 | Fenix | snif. |
| 21:21.34 | phoenix7700 | afk |
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| 21:26.17 | Frostwind | :( |
| 21:28.48 | Frostwind | is sooooooooooo bored |
| 21:29.14 | Fenix | You want some jus Frostwind? :P XD |
| 21:29.24 | Frostwind | ? |
| 21:29.35 | Fenix | you are bored, so I'll wake up you :P |
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| 21:30.12 | Frostwind | I have no project to work on anymore since no one will help fix my animation problem |
| 21:30.14 | Wiz10011 | he's bored because he cant get his animation to work, thus he post his bored so he can get help, but he's tired of just asking for help so he's doing it passive aggersive way. |
| 21:30.32 | phoenix7700 | lol |
| 21:30.37 | phoenix7700 | i got him muted |
| 21:30.37 | phoenix7700 | WIN |
| 21:30.41 | Wiz10011 | he been at it for three days that I notice. |
| 21:30.45 | phoenix7700 | no |
| 21:30.46 | phoenix7700 | longer |
| 21:30.48 | Wiz10011 | Wait! you can mute on this? How? |
| 21:30.49 | phoenix7700 | like 2 weeks |
| 21:30.52 | Wiz10011 | Thus i said I noticed. |
| 21:30.52 | phoenix7700 | no |
| 21:30.59 | phoenix7700 | im using mIRC |
| 21:31.11 | Fenix | how can i show the APM of the player? |
| 21:31.12 | Wiz10011 | Fucking mIRC, my thing broke for me. cant use it anymore. |
| 21:31.17 | phoenix7700 | im not using that website |
| 21:31.18 | Fenix | into a dialogs label? |
| 21:31.20 | Wiz10011 | instead of continue it says exit. |
| 21:31.24 | phoenix7700 | oh yeah |
| 21:31.30 | phoenix7700 | it did that for me too |
| 21:31.37 | phoenix7700 | i closed it and re-opened it |
| 21:31.39 | phoenix7700 | it works now |
| 21:31.49 | Wiz10011 | I dont think it's worth the $20 just use it either. |
| 21:31.51 | phoenix7700 | also i visted the website |
| 21:31.56 | phoenix7700 | like i was gonna buy it |
| 21:31.58 | phoenix7700 | but didn't |
| 21:32.04 | Wiz10011 | Every time I do that. it just keeps saying exit. so I gave up. |
| 21:32.10 | phoenix7700 | lol |
| 21:32.10 | Clord | there is other ways to use Mirc too instead shelling 20 dollars |
| 21:32.11 | Fenix | how can i show the APM of the player? |
| 21:32.12 | phoenix7700 | ya |
| 21:32.12 | Clord | lol |
| 21:32.25 | phoenix7700 | there are other free clients |
| 21:32.28 | phoenix7700 | for irc |
| 21:33.04 | Wiz10011 | True, But i just have the webpage bookmarked, Will probably look for a program later. |
| 21:34.09 | Frostwind | yawns from total boredom |
| 21:34.39 | Fenix | could you help me to find how to show the apm? |
| 21:35.03 | Frostwind | I'm not gonna help others since no one will even help me |
| 21:35.41 | Fenix | i would if i could... My help won't be very usefull to you. |
| 21:35.53 | Clord | some cases it just might simply be the fact that people are enough fed up from doing their own maps... to have energy to bother with more problems related to mapping |
| 21:35.56 | Fenix | If you help me now, I could possibly learn and later help you :) |
| 21:37.41 | Frostwind | Do you know modeling???? |
| 21:38.06 | Clord | hehe reliable as those... if I loan me money in MMO deals.... aka somehow loaner kinda forgets or refuses to pay back XD |
| 21:38.06 | Fenix | i know what it is, but i dont know hot it works. |
| 21:38.38 | Frostwind | if you can't model then you won't be able to help |
| 21:38.39 | Clord | ermm... changing "I" to "you" |
| 21:38.41 | Fenix | where do i get the player apm? |
| 21:38.51 | Fenix | i know this Frost. |
| 21:39.27 | Wiz10011 | Frostwind just make a post on SC2mapster with a detailed discription of the problem. you have a better chance of getting help that way |
| 21:39.33 | Frostwind | just cuz you know what it is doesn't mean you know how to model |
| 21:39.49 | phoenix7700 | hey guys |
| 21:40.04 | phoenix7700 | everyone has already told him these things |
| 21:40.12 | phoenix7700 | and he still doesn't understand |
| 21:40.37 | Wiz10011 | never know until you try phoenix, Thus i tried. |
| 21:40.40 | Clord | GLaDOS syndrome |
| 21:40.56 | Wiz10011 | what's that clord? |
| 21:40.57 | Clord | in portal 2 she is pretty pissed in passive agressive way in the beginning parts |
| 21:41.12 | phoenix7700 | yeah |
| 21:41.15 | phoenix7700 | but like |
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| 21:41.20 | phoenix7700 | everything you are saying |
| 21:41.24 | phoenix7700 | has been said to him |
| 21:41.27 | phoenix7700 | several times |
| 21:41.40 | phoenix7700 | he just wants someone else to do it for him |
| 21:41.43 | phoenix7700 | not him |
| 21:41.52 | phoenix7700 | so it's not worth trying to help him |
| 21:41.58 | phoenix7700 | he know what he has to do |
| 21:42.02 | Clord | it is common thing in the internet... it is like those people kinda who join to channel... ask question... nobody reply in few seconds so they quit.... |
| 21:42.02 | phoenix7700 | just wont do it |
| 21:42.46 | Frostwind | I CAN'T MODEL. |
| 21:42.57 | Fenix | then do something else? |
| 21:43.03 | phoenix7700 | anyone listen to POGO? |
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| 21:43.14 | Frostwind | I can't work on my project without this problem fixed |
| 21:43.40 | Shawn|Rawr | Then maybe you should have done this thing first and then given up lol |
| 21:44.03 | phoenix7700 | yay for ignore |
| 21:44.13 | Wiz10011 | I hate you pheonix.... |
| 21:44.34 | phoenix7700 | anyone know how i can use an ability to make a building that is underconstruction? |
| 21:45.00 | phoenix7700 | not a BUILD ability |
| 21:45.14 | phoenix7700 | because i require a range limiter |
| 21:45.24 | phoenix7700 | and build doesn't have range or validators |
| 21:45.29 | Clord | animating stuff is not really common knowledge compared to many other aspects of doing map related stuff.... that's why there is so few models made to WCIII with unique animations |
| 21:46.20 | Frostwind | phoenix7700: i know how to |
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| 21:47.10 | Frostwind | creating a building that is under Construction is sooo easy |
| 21:47.27 | Wiz10011 | funny thing is he has you muted/ignored frost... |
| 21:47.27 | Frostwind | takes 1 little thing |
| 21:47.40 | Frostwind | Wiz10011: not like I'd tell him anyways |
| 21:47.49 | Shawn|Rawr | There is an ignore? |
| 21:47.53 | Shawn|Rawr | holy sweet jesus |
| 21:48.03 | slightlyrandom | Depends on your client |
| 21:48.07 | Wiz10011 | For mIRC there is according to Phoenix. |
| 21:48.08 | slightlyrandom | Some have it, some don't |
| 21:48.12 | slightlyrandom | Most proper ones do, though |
| 21:48.29 | Shawn|Rawr | YES! |
| 21:51.12 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 21:52.04 | Fenix | i founded the APM into the player score value, but there is no APM average, where it is? |
| 21:53.09 | Frostwind | yawns from total boredom |
| 21:53.14 | Shawn|Rawr | I am so going to ignore Rodrigo now |
| 21:53.22 | Shawn|Rawr | Jade, I love you |
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| 21:54.23 | JademusSreg | <3 |
| 21:54.57 | JademusSreg | Fenix, I expect APM is automatically an average. |
| 21:55.03 | Fenix | neg |
| 21:55.07 | JademusSreg | Attempt to consider the alternatives. |
| 21:55.16 | Fenix | the APM in score value actually is the current apm |
| 21:56.03 | JademusSreg | Current as in what time precision? |
| 21:56.12 | Fenix | idk |
| 21:56.29 | JademusSreg | If you know the current time precision and log the previous APM values from each sample, you can calculate the average. |
| 21:57.13 | Fenix | there might be another value for the average? |
| 21:57.51 | JademusSreg | Well, I suppose you could do it without knowing the time precision, but it would be optimal to sample periodically relative to the known time precision. |
| 21:58.24 | JademusSreg | For any arbitrary period, you could sample and do as I suiggested before. |
| 21:58.41 | Clord | oh well... it could have own standard besides APM to measure how good you are related to ohters who try same map XD |
| 21:58.47 | Fenix | well. How could I make it ie. every sec it calculate the APM |
| 21:58.49 | Clord | like score |
| 21:59.05 | phoenix7700 | use a trigger |
| 21:59.08 | JademusSreg | Or if you want, you could just create a dialog template from the spectator thingy. |
| 21:59.20 | JademusSreg | Since dialog templates are magical like thart. |
| 22:00.32 | Fenix | um... just think to something... might be usefull. I think i got another map downloaded where it show the average APM... |
| 22:00.40 | Fenix | if I'm able to understant how it works... |
| 22:03.31 | Fenix | duh. Map looks protected. I can't see the triggers. |
| 22:03.47 | Fenix | nto fair. -_- |
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| 22:04.14 | JademusSreg | They can be extracted. |
| 22:04.23 | JademusSreg | Or rather, the mapscript can be extracted. |
| 22:04.32 | JademusSreg | The trigger files were likely removed altogether. |
| 22:04.51 | JademusSreg | Which map? |
| 22:05.27 | Fenix | YABOT 1.4.2 Backwater Gulch |
| 22:05.41 | Fenix | but there is many different map |
| 22:05.45 | JademusSreg | And YABOT is what? |
| 22:05.46 | Fenix | with probably the same trigger |
| 22:05.53 | JademusSreg | Sounds like an Obs game. |
| 22:05.54 | Fenix | a build order test |
| 22:05.58 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 22:06.06 | Fenix | pretty interesting |
| 22:06.14 | Fenix | how it is made |
| 22:06.19 | JademusSreg | Anyway, extract the mapscript with an MPQ editor, learn galaxy, and read the file. |
| 22:06.27 | Fenix | lol... |
| 22:07.07 | Fenix | i can do the first action, but second might be a bit long and thirht more long than the second if you skip it. xD |
| 22:07.18 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 22:08.36 | JademusSreg | Was the APM display in a dialog window or was it in the menu that spectators use? |
| 22:09.44 | JademusSreg | See, you can recreate the spectator menu that displays shit like APM if you make a dialog template, set to emulate the spectator thing. |
| 22:09.47 | Fenix | iwas in a dialog i think |
| 22:09.55 | JademusSreg | That's what Rodrigo used in his icjug maps. |
| 22:10.18 | Fenix | whats a dialog template? |
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| 22:12.24 | JademusSreg | A dialog that uses a UI frame as a template. |
| 22:13.18 | flyingspatula | u know what irks me more than anything... ppl who make maps and think there really awesome and original but there something you could make in 5 minutes. |
| 22:13.56 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 22:14.29 | flyingspatula | or invade other peoples map threads on feedback/review with their own maps |
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| 22:14.56 | Clord | or map projects what try to use propaganda with mocking similar maps etc |
| 22:15.10 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 22:15.12 | JademusSreg | Yes, I imagine that is annoying. Who's the culprit today? |
| 22:15.16 | Clord | kinda happens to my TCG map |
| 22:15.19 | flyingspatula | ibebusiness |
| 22:15.33 | JademusSreg | That sounds familiar. |
| 22:15.37 | JademusSreg | Hmmm. |
| 22:15.46 | JademusSreg | Link? |
| 22:15.46 | Clord | card game maps try to justify nowadays itself comparing their own maps with my TCG map >_> |
| 22:16.06 | Fenix | aw.. i cant find out how to show the average apm |
| 22:16.51 | slightlyrandom | Average it out? |
| 22:17.01 | flyingspatula | http://www.sc2mapster.com/forums/player-zone/map-suggestions-requests/20252-modern-warfare-like-game-need-help/?page=2#posts |
| 22:17.02 | JademusSreg | Fenix, make a dialog template based on the spectator thing (I don't have the editor open, so I can't rattle off the name). See if that is satisfactory. |
| 22:18.06 | flyingspatula | Mafia, that was a really interesting map lol i know its a party game but it was well done albeit CONFUSING at first |
| 22:18.20 | Fenix | um.. |
| 22:20.01 | Fenix | what is the string for that template, if i have to use a string... |
| 22:20.34 | JademusSreg | I remember him. |
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| 22:21.20 | JademusSreg | Fenix, are you in the right tab? Pretty sure there's a dropdown list of values. |
| 22:21.23 | Clord | Deck Wars author didn't seem to like my comments lol |
| 22:22.12 | JademusSreg | Deck Wars: A game where guys show off their decks to each other, get in fights aobut which deck is bigger. |
| 22:22.15 | JademusSreg | Amirite? |
| 22:22.24 | flyingspatula | rofl i read dick in every word deck |
| 22:22.29 | flyingspatula | and it stil lmade sense |
| 22:22.35 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 22:22.39 | JademusSreg | Mission Accomplished |
| 22:22.43 | flyingspatula | nice |
| 22:22.47 | Fenix | Trigger: Create Dialog item from Template. "Create a (I want a label) for dialog (Last created dialog) using the template "?" " |
| 22:23.00 | flyingspatula | guess that flew over my head for a sec |
| 22:23.01 | JademusSreg | Not item. |
| 22:23.06 | JademusSreg | Dialog. |
| 22:23.33 | Clord | JademusSreg... yeah... he liked my map and got idea to do Deck Wars.. but yet fails to see what makes my map so great |
| 22:23.34 | Fenix | there is no dialog template |
| 22:23.38 | Fenix | it must be an item |
| 22:23.41 | Clord | I smell failure from afar |
| 22:23.42 | Clord | XD |
| 22:23.45 | Clord | and yeah |
| 22:23.46 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 22:23.55 | Clord | it is about who has more overpowered deck |
| 22:24.02 | Clord | so it can last longer before cards run out |
| 22:24.24 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 22:24.40 | JademusSreg | Oh, I see, Fenix. =D |
| 22:25.05 | JademusSreg | Anyway, there should be tabs for other values. |
| 22:25.21 | JademusSreg | Function, Preset, Value, Custom |
| 22:25.41 | Fenix | only fonctions that refer to Strings |
| 22:25.44 | JademusSreg | Those are the four tab things for GUI action parameters, iirc. |
| 22:29.16 | Fenix | well, still nothing mroe atm |
| 22:32.35 | Fenix | JademusSreg, I'll come back later. This would be great if you could find out how to show average apm. |
| 22:33.10 | flyingspatula | i feel like making some kind of zombie map that isnt mass zerg invasions... |
| 22:33.41 | flyingspatula | i lost my creativity in wc 3 |
| 22:34.05 | Clord | when it comes doing melee maps.. WCIII offeres by stock so much more... like haycarts... placing city buildings... and more XD SCII melee mapping in comparison is rather dull lol |
| 22:34.25 | Clord | I just did read melee forum section in sc2mapster |
| 22:35.33 | Clord | it would be awesome to have melee like map where you must evade firestorm what advances..... all bases would start near edge so they must expand to survive and somehow fight against other players same time XD |
| 22:35.42 | flyingspatula | my imagination catered more to medieval swords/magic than scifi so i have probs making anything |
| 22:36.14 | Clord | yeah.... I would like to have warcraft IV |
| 22:36.18 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 22:36.24 | Clord | I mean XD |
| 22:36.27 | Clord | lol |
| 22:36.33 | Clord | anyways |
| 22:36.40 | Clord | I would get to make TCG sequel for it |
| 22:36.45 | Clord | medieval setting is so much better |
| 22:37.00 | flyingspatula | i wish there were more space maps Space Battle or w/e its called isnt too creative at all |
| 22:37.22 | flyingspatula | yup always a reason most RPG's are medevil themed |
| 22:37.43 | flyingspatula | except jrpg's there like a mix of anything? |
| 22:37.47 | Vailreth | its not better its easier |
| 22:38.08 | Clord | yeah and warhammer 40K series etc what is hugely popular... mix sci-fi, medieval and fantasy themes |
| 22:38.12 | slightlyrandom | Anything you can do with swords/magic, you can do with sci fi |
| 22:38.28 | flyingspatula | meh but it al lhas a different feeling. im not saying one i sbetter than the other |
| 22:38.55 | Vailreth | the terrans are night eleves the zerg are the undead and protoss are the alliance |
| 22:39.05 | Clord | I played one pretty crappy JRPG and finished the main storyline XD |
| 22:39.06 | Vailreth | rather humans and high elves |
| 22:39.20 | Clord | Bleach - 3rd Phantom (undub) XD |
| 22:39.40 | flyingspatula | lol what are u trying to get at vail lol |
| 22:39.51 | Clord | good storyline but battle system is rather crappy in tactics standards |
| 22:40.19 | Clord | it does not even matter what direction your guys face in it XD |
| 22:40.22 | Vailreth | i am just saying that the sci fi and fantasy are just costumes |
| 22:40.52 | flyingspatula | well that can be said about anything. but the content in sc2 is catered to scifi which is much different than medeveil |
| 22:40.55 | Vailreth | people are more willing to accept some mechanics dressed in medieval fantasy |
| 22:41.05 | flyingspatula | true |
| 22:41.16 | Clord | fantasy settings just gives way more freedon |
| 22:41.22 | Vailreth | no |
| 22:41.29 | Vailreth | its just easier.. |
| 22:41.43 | Vailreth | because it has precedent |
| 22:41.51 | flyingspatula | guess u could say since were hundreds of years past medevil |
| 22:42.32 | Clord | yeah everyone should know that fireswords fetched high price back in old days |
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| 22:42.42 | Clord | too bad guns replaced them |
| 22:42.43 | Vailreth | people seem resistent to the idea of Magic In The Future |
| 22:42.58 | Clord | Warhammer 40K series has magic in the future |
| 22:43.02 | Clord | and it seems to be accepted |
| 22:43.13 | Vailreth | yes but its also nich for the mostpart |
| 22:43.27 | slightlyrandom | Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic |
| 22:43.40 | Clord | well it is almost exclusive for few races there lol |
| 22:43.41 | Vailreth | and i say true of the reverse.. |
| 22:43.45 | Shawn|Rawr | There was one fantasy book that I read that was like our times today were completely destroyed, the current times were back in medieval times, but still there was some remnants of our times. was weird. |
| 22:44.07 | Shawn|Rawr | Bad explanation, dont mind me |
| 22:44.10 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 22:44.18 | Clord | basically post-apocalyptic theme XD |
| 22:44.36 | Shawn|Rawr | Ya, like our world was destroyed and forced to start over |
| 22:44.41 | JademusSreg | I am reminded of the argument and subsequent wager between Doctor Venture and Professor Orpheus. |
| 22:44.55 | Vailreth | while most people like the idea of " the past is filled with magic" and " the future is one of technology" i like the reverse of these |
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| 22:45.12 | Mexa|Tee | Good hi |
| 22:45.31 | Shawn|Rawr | Jade, work on a map with me |
| 22:45.33 | Clord | it is that if you bring modern times settings or sci-fi settings... people are more likely to expect more explanation that how magic like powers even work |
| 22:45.37 | flyingspatula | anyway, ive played many more swords/magic type rpg/games so when it comes to scifi for sc2 im at a bit of a loss for creativity... eve online is one of the only scifi games i ever liked to play or remember |
| 22:45.38 | Clord | for example Magneto XD |
| 22:45.45 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 22:45.46 | Clord | it is his mutant power to do magic like stuff |
| 22:45.47 | Clord | lol |
| 22:45.56 | JademusSreg | What did you have in mind Shawn? |
| 22:46.25 | Mexa|Tee | Hmm.. I wonder if this Schnitzel guy got banned. |
| 22:46.35 | Shawn|Rawr | I don't know yet, but I am so over not having anything to do. It |
| 22:46.50 | Vailreth | i dont know but i was reading a forum this morning and it got deleted ... as i was reading it ' |
| 22:46.54 | Shawn|Rawr | It's like even today, on my day off.. I have no idea what I want to do |
| 22:47.00 | Shawn|Rawr | So back to maps it is |
| 22:47.01 | Vailreth | thread* |
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| 22:47.06 | Clord | Eve Online.... it is like game that.. if you don't have played it very actively since of first released... you are already too late to have even chance to being one of recgoizable players in power |
| 22:47.09 | Mexa|Tee | what thread? |
| 22:47.16 | Mexa|Tee | Schnitzel? |
| 22:47.20 | JademusSreg | What do you like to play Shawn? |
| 22:47.50 | Clord | and that "imaginary power" goes when they shut EVE down for good |
| 22:48.18 | Shawn|Rawr | My brain is scattered. I just saw Rodrigo on the toilet |
| 22:48.19 | JademusSreg | Power is confidence and luck of opportunity. |
| 22:48.29 | Vailreth | gonna be a mess of suicides when they shut down EVE... |
| 22:48.51 | Vailreth | or any other mmo thats widely popular to the point of obsession |
| 22:49.24 | JademusSreg | Economics, religions, politics, romance, it's all a game of confidence. |
| 22:49.35 | Shawn|Rawr | Haha. I wonder how a Government vs People type game would be received |
| 22:50.04 | Clord | there is game where you overthrow political dudes in Russia XD |
| 22:50.09 | Clord | goal is eventually |
| 22:50.13 | Clord | to overthrow president |
| 22:50.15 | Clord | lol |
| 22:51.24 | flyingspatula | eve online is like one of those games no matter how much u play per day, ull progress just as fast as someone who just skills manages and never plays |
| 22:51.34 | flyingspatula | which sux, but i love how u fight ships |
| 22:51.38 | flyingspatula | the mechanics |
| 22:51.57 | JademusSreg | EVE Online, the game you pay for it to play itself. |
| 22:51.58 | JademusSreg | <3 |
| 22:52.11 | flyingspatula | lawl exactly |
| 22:52.19 | flyingspatula | id love to recreate a simplified version of the game |
| 22:52.23 | Clord | and is interesting to watch in space travelling like to paint dry |
| 22:52.25 | flyingspatula | like how u fly ur ship |
| 22:52.28 | flyingspatula | obriting shit |
| 22:52.32 | flyingspatula | manning all the turrets |
| 22:52.34 | JademusSreg | You mean like Gratituous Space Battles? |
| 22:52.57 | Clord | current dialog systems etc would allow complete statistics for ships....... |
| 22:53.03 | Clord | and even dialog to choose what part to target |
| 22:53.09 | Clord | when ship attacks something |
| 22:53.11 | Clord | XD |
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| 22:53.36 | JademusSreg | It's the three dimensions thing that will make development challenging. |
| 22:53.45 | JademusSreg | Especially where gravity is involved. |
| 22:53.53 | flyingspatula | hah cool i never seen that gratiotious space battles til now |
| 22:54.04 | flyingspatula | yeah exactly |
| 22:54.05 | Clord | and more traiend your hired dude to shoot stuff you order..... more likely it hits the specified part... but guy who is novice and hired cheap would hardly listen |
| 22:54.21 | Clord | trained... |
| 22:54.34 | flyingspatula | same problem with making a simple space fighter game |
| 22:54.37 | flyingspatula | 3 dimension issue |
| 22:54.48 | Slepee | gravity really only significantly affects one dimension. |
| 22:55.00 | Clord | Homeworld II... you can just keep hiding thanks to 3D space |
| 22:55.12 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 22:55.12 | Clord | lol |
| 22:55.17 | Shawn|Rawr | <3 Homeworld |
| 22:55.32 | Clord | you can do plenty of lame escapes |
| 22:55.39 | Clord | and hide somewhere middle of nowhere |
| 22:55.58 | Slepee | But that's a good thing, right? |
| 22:56.31 | Clord | hehe..... then again... mining is rather important in that game so |
| 22:56.34 | Clord | it would be dumb move |
| 22:57.10 | Clord | I remember that Homeworld III was rather crap |
| 22:57.13 | Slepee | Is it not possible to move asteroids to that place you've chosen and mine them there? ;) |
| 22:57.21 | Mexa|Tee | The idea of homeworld was great Imo... But moving in 3d space was funky and tideous. |
| 22:57.55 | Clord | hehe like Star Control III |
| 22:58.00 | Clord | they implemented 3d star map |
| 22:58.01 | Mexa|Tee | For me anyways, I made mistakes all the time |
| 22:58.06 | Slepee | Regarding funky moving in 3D, anyone played Descent? xD |
| 22:58.16 | Clord | Descent is awesome game |
| 22:58.23 | Slepee | I know. ^^ |
| 22:58.36 | flyingspatula | regardless id still love to make/play a space map that actually felt like u were moving a ship. not right click move here instantly turn like space battles |
| 22:58.37 | Slepee | But I have not played it in ages. |
| 22:58.57 | flyingspatula | map* |
| 22:59.11 | Clord | hehe... when your map becomes enough popular |
| 22:59.14 | Slepee | In space? Or on a planet surface? |
| 22:59.15 | Clord | people start call it "game" |
| 22:59.16 | Clord | XD |
| 23:00.12 | Clord | just like DotA became for many.. game inside game.... |
| 23:00.17 | Clord | whatever XD |
| 23:00.59 | JademusSreg | for starters, let's see a space game that tracks orbital elements instead of cartesian coords. I mean, seriously. |
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| 23:02.15 | flyingspatula | wait... what exactly doe sthat mean XD |
| 23:02.16 | Slepee | Not sure what you mean by that. |
| 23:02.21 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 23:02.23 | Slepee | xD |
| 23:02.49 | JademusSreg | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbital_elements |
| 23:03.11 | JademusSreg | If you're playing a space game, and it uses cartesian coords, someone has no sense of the physics involved. |
| 23:03.12 | flyingspatula | oh ok i see what u meant |
| 23:03.16 | Slepee | Regardless of the positioning you use in your game, it is to be rendered on a 2D surface, and that is the challange. |
| 23:03.53 | flyingspatula | i had that problem when i was recreating eve ship movement |
| 23:03.56 | flyingspatula | orbiting etc |
| 23:05.11 | Slepee | Why would you recreate such a thing.. |
| 23:05.13 | flyingspatula | well i guess not really same thing... i was trying to basically make every ship have a gravitational pull lol |
| 23:05.18 | Slepee | notice the lack of a question mark |
| 23:06.34 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 23:06.49 | flyingspatula | bc in eve online your ship moves... well wouldnt say like it owuld in space more like a submarine lol |
| 23:06.51 | flyingspatula | and its nice |
| 23:06.53 | flyingspatula | brb |
| 23:06.54 | Slepee | Yeah, then you have to add mass to each ship and figure out a way to compare the distance and mass of each element in your map. |
| 23:07.08 | Slepee | -- and calculate a movement modifier based on that. |
| 23:08.38 | Slepee | As heavier objects have greater gravitational pull. |
| 23:08.42 | flyingspatula | im horrible at phsycis |
| 23:08.45 | flyingspatula | and faking fpysics |
| 23:08.47 | flyingspatula | gah i cant type |
| 23:09.22 | flyingspatula | i had a problem with the transitioning into and out of a specified orbit |
| 23:11.09 | Slepee | at which point in the transition did the problem occur? |
| 23:11.18 | flyingspatula | well |
| 23:11.24 | Slepee | or were there any transition at all? :p |
| 23:11.33 | flyingspatula | since the object your moving toward/around is dynamic |
| 23:11.39 | flyingspatula | it just always had *issues* |
| 23:12.06 | Slepee | look into 2D vectors. |
| 23:12.16 | flyingspatula | i dont remember its been a good year since ive done anything in sc2 |
| 23:12.20 | flyingspatula | yeah |
| 23:12.44 | Slepee | relativity is a bitch :P |
| 23:12.47 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 23:12.48 | TheFrozenMuffin | hey all |
| 23:12.57 | Slepee | not so much as gravity but ... yeah |
| 23:13.02 | flyingspatula | isup |
| 23:13.46 | Slepee | bakes TheFrozenMuffin and eats him. |
| 23:16.19 | TheFrozenMuffin | punches stomach walls |
| 23:16.44 | Slepee | *barf* You should change name to BarfedUpCrumbs now :P |
| 23:18.03 | TheFrozenMuffin | or to... hot muffin |
| 23:24.54 | Fenix | I'm back :D JademusSreg, have you founded a way to detect the average apm? =D |
| 23:26.09 | JademusSreg | Yeah, like I said before. You sample it and calculate. |
| 23:27.01 | slightlyrandom | How do you detect apm? |
| 23:27.08 | slightlyrandom | Does it detect it per second, or what? |
| 23:27.15 | Fenix | not only the apm but the average apm |
| 23:27.26 | slightlyrandom | Because, do a running tally, and divide by time elapsed |
| 23:27.30 | Fenix | i founded the apm in player score value |
| 23:28.51 | Fenix | a running tally? |
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| 23:31.00 | JademusSreg | Yeah, sample it, say, every second, average those values. |
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| 23:32.08 | Slepee | what does the 'a' stand for in apm? |
| 23:32.31 | Shawn|Rawr | actions |
| 23:32.31 | Fenix | action per minute&? |
| 23:33.36 | Slepee | and how would you "sample" that? |
| 23:34.17 | Slepee | nah, forget it |
| 23:34.21 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 23:34.41 | Slepee | I just get annoyed when people tend to use "polling" instead of using an event based model. |
| 23:35.19 | Slepee | However the Blizzard implementation does not always allow for an alternative. |
| 23:35.20 | JademusSreg | C# or Java? |
| 23:36.09 | Slepee | I believe that the scripting language for SC2 is called Galaxy. :P |
| 23:36.11 | Fenix | so i migh have 2 variables integer: one for the average apm and one for the current. I do set variable of average with arithmetic: average + current divide by 2. every x amount of time. Right? |
| 23:36.16 | Slepee | thus neither |
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| 23:36.30 | JademusSreg | I am obviously inquiring as to your background. |
| 23:36.32 | Bounty | lulz |
| 23:36.53 | Slepee | My background would be BASIC and C. |
| 23:37.06 | Slepee | BASIC was on my C64, long ago though. |
| 23:37.34 | slightlyrandom | Fenix: Do a running count |
| 23:37.37 | Slepee | I did play around with C# but I found the lack of control to be frustrating. |
| 23:37.47 | Fenix | what a running count? |
| 23:37.49 | slightlyrandom | And average it by dividing with how many times you've updated the count |
| 23:37.59 | slightlyrandom | Total actions made |
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| 23:38.37 | Slepee | Which actions should be applied to the measure? |
| 23:38.53 | JademusSreg | Of course, it can be done without polling. |
| 23:38.57 | Slepee | Like ... pushing attack buttons? |
| 23:39.07 | Slepee | abilities or ... clicking |
| 23:39.12 | Fenix | well, i think my idea would be better and easier to restart if need. |
| 23:39.17 | slightlyrandom | APM is everything |
| 23:39.28 | JademusSreg | But the overhead for the synchronization required by the input events wouldn't be worth it. |
| 23:40.21 | Slepee | I would create a trigger then. For when "Unit moves", and "Player uses an Ability", and add actions to that. |
| 23:40.44 | Slepee | then do an average every second or so |
| 23:40.53 | JademusSreg | That would capture many actions, but not all. |
| 23:41.13 | slightlyrandom | Clearly a function already exists that keeps track of this |
| 23:41.22 | slightlyrandom | Hook into it, pull the data out and use that |
| 23:41.34 | JademusSreg | Haha, |
| 23:41.41 | JademusSreg | I have already said asm uch. |
| 23:41.46 | slightlyrandom | I know |
| 23:41.56 | slightlyrandom | I don't know why we keep trying to teach these people |
| 23:42.01 | slightlyrandom | It's like they don't want to learn |
| 23:42.02 | slightlyrandom | ;) |
| 23:42.15 | JademusSreg | Fenix want's to get it without calculation, I guess? =D |
| 23:42.25 | JademusSreg | *wants |
| 23:43.00 | JademusSreg | I have Fry's Disorder, better known as Stupid Fingers. |
| 23:43.08 | Fenix | i will do Value 1 (average apm) + value 2 (current apm) divide by 2 = Value 1 (average apm) |
| 23:43.14 | Slepee | Then you require the "Devil's Hands" Upgrade. |
| 23:43.19 | JademusSreg | =D |
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| 23:43.50 | Slepee | Oh Sweet! |
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| 23:46.53 | slightlyrandom | Fenix: That weighs current apm way too highly |
| 23:47.14 | Fenix | um? |
| 23:47.46 | slightlyrandom | Average apms, five samples: |
| 23:47.52 | slightlyrandom | 10, 10, 10, 10, 200 |
| 23:48.16 | slightlyrandom | During whatever timespan |
| 23:48.59 | Fenix | how my average will work wont need samples. Every sec it will be include to the average. |
| 23:49.17 | slightlyrandom | Your system would rate average in the last time segment as 210/2, instead of 240/5 |
| 23:51.18 | slightlyrandom | Fenix: You have the total average for the whole 20 minute duration being weighted just as much as the average for the past 1 second |
| 23:51.28 | slightlyrandom | The result of this is not an average value |
| 23:51.39 | slightlyrandom | Not by any measure I understand average, at least |
| 23:51.50 | Fenix | it will do, first second, lets sasy 10 apm, 0 (average, never clicked) + 10 (current apm) /2 (two values) = 5. Second 2, it you have apm 50, then, 10+50/2 = 30 (the symbol order will not make 50/2 first then +10. They way I will make it) |
| 23:52.19 | SBeier | Do you guys know if it's possible to only display half a button? so the left half of the button for example is hidden? |
| 23:52.32 | slightlyrandom | Stick it halfway outside of the screen |
| 23:52.39 | SBeier | :) |
| 23:52.50 | SBeier | And if thats not an option? |
| 23:52.52 | slightlyrandom | Or overlay it with something |
| 23:53.11 | SBeier | hm. would really prefere that it was transparrent.. |
| 23:53.26 | Fenix | make a new dialog smaller than the button |
| 23:53.27 | Fenix | xD |
| 23:53.47 | Fenix | make dialog hidden |
| 23:54.01 | SBeier | that might work.. buttons get cut off if they are displayed outside their parent dialog? |
| 23:54.16 | slightlyrandom | Possibly? |
| 23:54.17 | slightlyrandom | Try it |
| 23:54.25 | SBeier | I shall |
| 23:54.46 | Fenix | it does I'm almost sure |
| 23:54.50 | slightlyrandom | Fenix: Your average is still gonna swing wildly, fella |
| 23:55.09 | Fenix | um? |
| 23:55.47 | slightlyrandom | If I have 0 apm for 10 seconds, and 10 apm for 1 second, my average apm is 1, not 5 |
| 23:56.03 | slightlyrandom | Eh, those numbers work if 10=9 |
| 23:56.07 | slightlyrandom | seconds |
| 23:56.15 | slightlyrandom | Let me try that again |
| 23:56.22 | slightlyrandom | If I have 0 apm for 9 seconds, and 10 apm for 1 second, my average apm is 1, not 5 |
| 23:56.39 | SBeier | yep, the dialog solution worked.. Thanks :) |
| 23:57.04 | Fenix | i see... |
| 23:57.46 | Fenix | it will do for the firsts seconds 0+0/2 = 0 and the n 0+10 / 2 = 5 |
| 23:58.00 | slightlyrandom | Exactly |
| 23:58.12 | slightlyrandom | Since you weight the last second the same as the total average - last second |
| 23:58.24 | slightlyrandom | What you need to do is add up the apms |
| 23:58.41 | slightlyrandom | or actions, at least |
| 23:59.29 | slightlyrandom | Or |
| 23:59.37 | slightlyrandom | Ah |
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