IRC log for #sc2mapster on 20110711

00:00.11JademusSreg"Join order corresponds to player slot position."
00:00.18JademusSregHaha
00:00.26Cazi asked that ages ago
00:00.34Cazi hadnt had a chance to make sure one way or the other
00:00.43JademusSregThat's Doctor Epenis.
00:00.53CazIs that meaning i need a trigger to alter this ?
00:01.01Cazat map init
00:01.14JademusSregA doctoral degree in fine arts and buggery.
00:01.48CazNoobs always make Pros feel better about themselves for short lived rushes... im glad i could help... now help me ! :P
00:02.37JademusSregLet's see, random start positions, you could use teams and trigger it, you could trigger it randomly.
00:02.53JademusSregShifting positions in the lobby does nothing; it's used for assigning players to teams.
00:03.14CazSo a trigger would allow me to set player slot based on lobby team ?
00:03.16JademusSregSee: "Join order corresponds to player slot position."
00:03.52Cazwhen you said "Player Slot" i thought u meant the "Slot" in the lobby .. thats why i was confused by your statemetn
00:03.55Cazstatement*
00:04.13Caztoo much overlapping vocabulary
00:04.19JademusSregNaw, you wouldn't change the player slot, you'd change ownership based on team.
00:04.31JademusSregSee, you can get the playergroup corresponding to the teams.
00:04.49JademusSregAnd use that playergroup where you would need to get the player.
00:05.13Xanwtf are we talking about here
00:05.19XorioZyo
00:05.24Xanyo
00:05.39tordywhat's with day9 doing the heil hitler
00:05.41Ashamed_ok i feel like a noob... I cant get my teams working online :( for some reason it joins everyone else besides me as a spectator....
00:05.45Vailrethyo yo yo i have a yo-yo
00:05.52Ashamed_i have looked everywhere..
00:06.04JademusSregAsh, that's pretty cool. =D
00:06.30JademusSregCheck player slots, check game variants.
00:06.47tordynow what do we do
00:06.50tordyXFD
00:06.50XorioZJademusSreg. I'm sorry to bother you again. have you ever done anything with the behaviorbar? the one to the left of the unit wireframe in the info panel.
00:07.17JademusSregSure, it can be moved like any other frame.
00:07.28Ashamed_jade i have checked everywhere :(
00:07.36Ashamed_players are set up to users
00:07.53JademusSregCute zerg song.
00:07.55JademusSreg<3
00:08.24JademusSregAsh, game variants might be set to make the player slots ref or spec.
00:08.31Brainshackso finally
00:08.31XorioZwas thinking more in the lines of making it horizontal instead of vertical. thought it would be as easy as it is with the commandpanel but. there don't seam to be any icon anchors in it at all.
00:08.33Brainshackgnighzt
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00:08.58Ashamed_i checked game var... i cant see shit
00:09.00JademusSregYou can -add- anchors. =D
00:09.02Ashamed_they are all set to open
00:09.09XorioZyea but to what?
00:09.34JademusSregTo $parent, for instance.
00:09.48XorioZthere is only one icon... but in game it can display up to 6
00:09.50JademusSregThat's a reference token to the parent frame.
00:09.58XorioZi know that :P
00:10.01JademusSreg=D
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00:10.18tordyim so baked
00:10.19XorioZi'm not a complete moron you know :)
00:10.24HeyRevolveranyone played the witcher 2?
00:10.24JademusSregHaha
00:10.32tordymememe
00:10.42HeyRevolveri just got it
00:10.42tordyi played witcher 2 and beat it
00:10.43XorioZor am i? :D
00:10.45HeyRevolvershould i install and play or save it for rainy day?
00:11.17JademusSregAnyway, if there is only one frame defined, that's probably because it's using it, making instances of it.
00:11.19XorioZJade. mind if i go pm. don't want to flood the chat with layout script.
00:11.27JademusSregpastebin.
00:11.42JademusSregUse pastebin or github.
00:12.36Ashamed_:( dumb shit works with blizzards melee stuff
00:12.41tordyJademusSreg played witcher 2 everyone talk to him
00:12.48JademusSregSooner is better; I'm in them iddle of playing Terraria, mining stone.
00:13.58HeyRevolverTerreria has cutting edge graphics with motion capture technology and extreme dx11 tessellation
00:14.27JademusSregpew pew
00:14.39tordyhey it's been great man
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00:14.55tordyJademusSreg what's a good graphic for poisonous puddle?
00:15.49XorioZhttp://pastebin.com/wjBrLcCc
00:16.07JademusSregA flattened spawning pool, maybe add irradiation pasticle emitter.
00:16.09XorioZwhat i can't figure out is how to set each behavior icon
00:16.21XorioZif this even is posible
00:16.26HeyRevolverit is
00:16.39HeyRevolverits near the bottom in the behavior data stuff
00:17.36tordyspawning pool has an exterior, want something that just a puddle
00:17.41JademusSregInteresting.
00:17.50XorioZas you can see in that code there aren't any code for each individual behavior from 1 to 6. like you have it with the commandcard. or am i missing something?
00:18.19JademusSregI see why it would be perplexing; there is no clear definition of its preference for verticle display of behavior icons.
00:18.33XorioZexactly
00:18.51XorioZthank god you actually understood me :D
00:19.04JademusSreg*vertical
00:19.58JademusSregI wonder if it "smart" arranges them.
00:20.14JademusSregSwap the height and width values and see what happens.
00:20.26XorioZill try that
00:22.41XorioZnope. it's not smart arranged
00:23.31JademusSregMight be hardcoded to the type.
00:23.34XorioZone can wonder if it is hard coded. but why would they hard code this when almost everything else is in layout
00:24.34JademusSregWell, eventually you hit hardcoded limits when you get to where the engine is passing shit to be displayed to the UI.
00:25.13JademusSregSimilarly, we don't have an option to make unit life display a bar in its infocard.
00:26.47XorioZhmm. if this is true i might have to make a dialog behavior bar. it should be possible to check and see what behaviors a unit has with triggers right?
00:28.10XorioZthis way i might even be able to show more then the normal 6 behaviors
00:28.42JademusSregYes.
00:28.49JademusSregYolu check behavior count.
00:28.52JademusSreg*You
00:29.00JademusSregIf count > 0, it has the behavior.
00:32.02XorioZill go with that then. will also give me a bit more flexibility.
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00:40.37CazCan  check which team a player is in? Such as a 3 player FFA ... the battlenet lobby would generate Team1 Team2 Team3
00:40.41CazCan i *
00:41.59CazId like to be able to check which team/color/race the player chose in lobby
00:44.23hawkerWhen you fellows are setting out to make a map, where do you usually begin?
00:45.50XorioZuh
00:46.04XorioZstart by lerning the basics of the galaxy editor
00:46.37XorioZill try and find some reading material. 5min
00:47.11CazXor, any chance you'd know how to change unit ownership based on what team the player started on?
00:48.44XorioZargh. that depends. youll have to start by putting players from each team in player groups.
00:48.59JademusSreg[20:04:34] <JademusSreg> See, you can get the playergroup corresponding to the teams.
00:48.59JademusSreg[20:04:51] <JademusSreg> And use that playergroup where you would need to get the player.
00:49.11XorioZand then do some trigger work. but havent figured the lobby system out myself yet
00:49.23XorioZoh
00:49.34XorioZJade knows aparently
00:49.51CazJade seems to know alot, i just have a hard time following what he says. Sry :x
00:50.06CazI'm a galaxy editor toddler !
00:50.33CazI can figure out how to get players into groups most likely.
00:50.44CazBut i don't know where to find out what team they were on
00:51.17CazTeams are decided in the lobby... where is a player's Team count stored in galaxy editor ?
00:51.37JademusSregnative playergroup  GameAttributePlayersForTeam (int team);
00:51.51JademusSregThat's the native in galaxy./
00:52.07JademusSregIt's probably named something like Playergroup From Team in GUI.
00:52.29XorioZhawker. try starting here. http://wiki.sc2mapster.com/main-page/ from top down.
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01:35.27mapman_yaw*
01:36.17hawkerthanks xan
01:36.19hawkeri'll do that
01:37.29_______________@mapman, can'
01:37.40_______________t u just change the time period over which the yaw changes?
01:38.33mapman_which otion is this?
01:39.27mapman_hey btw check this out, cruncher played with me today
01:39.28mapman_http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=238325
01:39.56_______________are you having the camera track the mouse?
01:40.16mapman_nah
01:40.22mapman_just the insert/delete thing
01:40.27_______________o, nvm then o.o
01:40.31mapman_I want it to be faster
01:40.38mapman_oh well
01:40.55mapman_you got any idea why the game doesnt start when the lobby is filled in my map?
01:41.02mapman_I dont quite get this one
01:41.13_______________i'nve never seen that happen
01:41.25slightlyrandomYou did something to make that not happen
01:41.29slightlyrandomBecause that shit is default
01:41.33_______________lmao
01:47.44XorioZwell that was somewhat easy.
01:47.54XorioZmaking a dialog buff bar that is
01:49.13mapman_what did I do then :s
01:49.31mapman_I closed some player slots...
01:49.35mapman_its 8 players
01:50.05mapman_oh i think I may have found
01:50.20mapman_I didnt set player 9-14 control to "none"
02:03.14slightlyrandomThat might be it
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02:06.02Vexaldoes anyone know a way to make minions similar to the way they work in diablo 2?
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02:13.34Vailrethhello folks
02:16.53hawkerhola
02:18.04mapman_hola
02:20.33mapman_anyone knows what yaw increment does
02:21.10tordyhello
02:23.44hawkersomething to do with the camera?
02:23.46hawkerjust a guess
02:24.37Cazyaw is either a left/right rotation or an up/down rotation .. i forget
02:24.50mapman_yea i know..
02:24.59mapman_but what is yaw increment :3
02:25.15Cazi wouldnt know.. where are you looking at it lol ?
02:25.18Vexaldoes anyone know a way to make minions similar to the way they work in diablo 2?
02:25.24mapman_camera data
02:25.36mapman_sorry vexal, no clue
02:25.36Xanhow do they work in diablo 2?
02:25.45mapman_If i knew what a minion is, then maybe
02:27.04Vexalyou have a skill that somehow creates units that follow your hero around.  each cast creates a single unit.  the maximum you can create is equal to the number of skill points you've put into that skill.  so if you have raise dead level 2, for example, you can have up to 2 skeletons at once.  casting it a third time will kill off one of the existing units
02:30.19Vexalhow do i make a validator that counts the number of units a player has?  i don't want to use an "enumerate area".
02:32.36Vailrethi think its either enumerate area or Player Requirement and make a requirement that meets the criteria
02:34.03Vailrethi am working on a couple of abilities now that validate requirements to produce tiered effect
02:36.07mapman_vail you refused my invite
02:36.10mapman_that was douchy
02:36.22Vexali don't want to enumerate area because it'll perform a radial search for something simple which is a waste
02:36.32Vailrethi do not recall the invite  but im sorry i didnt respond
02:37.06Vailrethi may have been in a campaign mission at the moment you sent it f it was in sc2
02:37.34mapman_makes me wanna flip tables!
02:39.26VailrethThen Vexal you will want to create a requirement that tests for the amount of units and validate it with the Player Requirement Validator
02:39.37Vexalall right.
02:39.40Vexali'll try that, thanks
02:39.47Vailrethi hope it work
02:39.48Vailreths
02:40.25VailrethI wish i had two monitors
02:40.52mapman_vail, would you happen to know how to change yaw velocity?
02:41.19Vailrethsorry i wouldnt  but then i dont even know what yaw is.
02:41.39mapman_camera yaw
02:41.47mapman_delete and insert
02:41.50mapman_o.0
02:44.59Vailrethis Camera- Set camera mouse Yaw rotation speed what are you are looking for?
02:46.04Vailrethby default the Yaw is set to pitch
02:47.39Ashamed_i made some good advancements on my map today :)
02:52.21Vailrethcool
02:52.52Vailrethive made thityish validators for one ability and have about  sixty more atleast for the exact same ability
03:00.31Vailrethok thats 62 validators so far and atleast as many to go
03:01.51Xanwhat ability?
03:02.17VailrethGrind
03:02.26Xanoh
03:02.29Xanwhat does it do?
03:02.40Vailrethconverts other units and structuros into resources
03:02.47Vailrethfor the caster
03:03.01Xanoh
03:03.01Xanok
03:03.11Vailrethit will have three levels..
03:03.30Vailrethright now im just making the target identifying validators
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03:31.08mapman_does text in directive area stay forever?
03:31.12mapman_o.0
03:33.10HP-X|ArthasJademusSreg: terraria is awesome :D
03:43.43hawkernow i want to play :(
03:44.22hawkeri'm still deciding on whether to acquire terraria v. minecraft
03:51.57slightlyrandomGet both
03:52.00slightlyrandomQuite different games
03:52.07mapman_anyone has an idea on how to find all identical integers from an array of 1000
03:52.21slightlyrandomCheck em?
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03:53.17slightlyrandomWhat are you trying to accomplish?
03:53.59slightlyrandom(Often, if you want a solution to a problem, stating your intent instead slightly broadly and trusting we're not idiots gives better ones)
03:55.02mapman_ok
03:55.06mapman_here it is
03:55.33mapman_got 1000 intergers in an array
03:55.58mapman_on the side I got a 1000 real array that is couple to it
03:56.05mapman_what I need to do
03:56.49mapman_Is find all integers and are indentical in the first array, and delete all of them, except the one with the highest real value from the other array
03:56.56mapman_idk if you see what i mean
03:57.07slightlyrandomWhat are you keeping track of here?
03:57.31mapman_bank stats
03:57.36mapman_but its irrelevant
03:57.39mapman_whaty I did is
03:57.56mapman_pick each integer from 1 to 1000, and put an action loop inside of that
03:58.02mapman_but the editor doesnt seem to like it
03:58.10mapman_no error but
03:58.11slightlyrandomIt isn't irrelevant if the solution to your problem is doing it in a different, and more efficient manner
03:58.20mapman_it seem it doesnt finishes executing it
03:58.22mapman_maybe its too long
03:58.49mapman_ok then
03:58.56mapman_theres 10 players
03:59.03mapman_each of them have 100 values in their banks
03:59.19mapman_the goal is to find the highest ones and put them in order
03:59.30mapman_just the top 10 though
03:59.35slightlyrandomDo it the smart way, then
03:59.39mapman_but the thing is
03:59.45mapman_uhm, go ahead
03:59.58slightlyrandomIf the values are already ordered for each player
04:00.05mapman_they arnt
04:00.09slightlyrandomThe top ten are never found below the first ten for any given player
04:00.09mapman_random
04:00.11slightlyrandomWhy not?
04:00.20mapman_cuz
04:00.20mapman_each game
04:00.33mapman_it saves 10 reals, as a random number from 1 to 100
04:00.45mapman_so that you have more than just the data from last game
04:00.50mapman_but some from other games before
04:01.07slightlyrandomthis confuses me
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04:01.12mapman_yes
04:01.15mapman_its complicated
04:01.28mapman_everything works
04:01.30slightlyrandomWhy dont you order them afterwards ?
04:01.36mapman_except the loop doesnt finish
04:01.43mapman_i onlly get a few of the values
04:01.54mapman_what do you mean
04:02.04mapman_ok well, all I want is the top ten
04:02.13mapman_idc about order i can do it afater
04:02.34mapman_but several players will have the sats from a same player
04:02.40mapman_so you gotta take the most recent one
04:03.05mapman_that is the one that has the highest real
04:03.18mapman_since it can only go increasing values
04:03.35slightlyrandomWhy do you increment it randomly ?
04:03.37mapman_oh well
04:03.43mapman_what do you mean
04:05.42slightlyrandomIs this a leaderboard?
04:05.50slightlyrandomLike, all time highest score?
04:05.54mapman_no but similar function
04:05.58mapman_yea
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04:06.18Frostwindhi :(
04:06.21mapman_supsup
04:06.23mapman_(ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻
04:06.25slightlyrandomIf there are only 10 places on it, why do you have 100 values per player?
04:06.36mapman_becose
04:06.40slightlyrandomWhy are the values not sorted in each players bank
04:06.44mapman_I want more than just the data from the last game
04:06.50slightlyrandomAnd why are you sticking random values in there?
04:07.10mapman_if last game you played with nubs, then it will be nub data
04:07.18mapman_I told you already
04:07.19slightlyrandomOnly replace data if it is higher
04:07.36slightlyrandomIf you see a guy with a higher score, replace
04:07.42slightlyrandomOtherwise, fuck his nub data
04:07.48mapman_I guess i could do that
04:08.09slightlyrandomNow you're only comparing 100 values
04:08.25mapman_yea true
04:08.38mapman_but
04:08.51mapman_I thought you liked slightly random stuff? o.o
04:09.11slightlyrandomNot for these kinds of things
04:09.19mapman_lol
04:09.21slightlyrandomSure, you might throw in a random element
04:09.38slightlyrandomrandomly stick in bogus data
04:09.45slightlyrandomYO MOMMA: 1 Million
04:10.23slightlyrandomSo, you compile the data from the players into a single leaderboard, then copy that out to each players bank
04:10.35mapman_OK I know why I didnt do what you said
04:11.37mapman_its because its not actually a real that can only go up
04:11.56mapman_but i coupled it with another real that does only go up so I can know which is more recent
04:12.31mapman_but
04:12.38mapman_what did you mean by random increment
04:12.39mapman_?
04:12.41HP-X|Arthashow do i pick my workbench up
04:12.42HP-X|Arthas:p
04:12.44HP-X|Arthasor kill rabbits
04:12.52slightlyrandom(06:00:34) mapman_: it saves 10 reals, as a random number from 1 to 100
04:13.07slightlyrandomHP-X|Arthas: Workbench, hit it till it breaks
04:13.15slightlyrandomRabbits, punch em in the face
04:13.16HP-X|Arthaswith hammer?
04:13.19HP-X|Arthassame with furnace?
04:13.26slightlyrandomOh, terraria ?
04:13.27HP-X|Arthasneed to make meself a hammer
04:13.28HP-X|Arthasyeah
04:13.32slightlyrandomAye, hammer
04:13.35HP-X|Arthasty :)
04:13.44HP-X|ArthasYou get a 10 for response speed ;)
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04:14.03slightlyrandomI'll savour it
04:14.26HP-X|Arthascan you sell stuff?
04:14.32slightlyrandomYes
04:14.36slightlyrandomOnce you get a merchant
04:14.39HP-X|Arthasah, ok
04:14.44slightlyrandomAsk the guide how
04:14.46HP-X|Arthasso for now, just hog everything i can
04:14.47slightlyrandomHe knows all
04:14.53HP-X|Arthashe said get big house or lots of money :p
04:14.57HP-X|Arthasfor merchant that is
04:15.03HP-X|Arthas50 silver iirc
04:15.10HP-X|Arthasand get lots of health for sexy nurse
04:15.19HP-X|Arthasim going for nurse, back in game!
04:16.33DustinARTHAS
04:16.36DustinTERARIA
04:16.42HP-X|Arthasay
04:16.56DustinFucking good shit
04:17.20slightlyrandomYou'll get your dick all dirty
04:18.09HP-X|Arthasindeed
04:18.13HP-X|Arthasits really amusing
04:18.14HP-X|Arthas:D
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04:19.49Vailrethour map is gonna be the sweet when its done
04:19.59mapman_which
04:20.07mapman_dersert thing?
04:20.24mapman_yea its nice
04:20.38VailrethXor Xan and i and i think Ahsamed are working on a three Team Dota style map
04:21.02hawkernash, any updates on terrain?
04:21.23mapman_ah, cool
04:21.38mapman_who made the FPS map then
04:21.44mapman_which i tryed yesterday
04:22.07hawkerprolly BATTLEFIELD; EGYPT
04:24.20mapman_yea that
04:24.33mapman_forgot who made it
04:24.36mapman_:3
04:24.48DustinBounty
04:24.52mapman_did I mention cruncher played my map with me?
04:25.10mapman_and he pwnt me (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻
04:31.36hawkeryep
04:31.44mapman_ah ok I wasnt sure
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04:36.38RndmObjctsanyone know a good tutorial to make a timer? i cant get the one ive made work xD and i cant find a good tutorial QQ
04:38.25mapman_make a timer?
04:38.27mapman_uhm
04:38.36mapman_i doubt youll find a tutorial for that
04:38.55mapman_usually the reate timer function works 100% fo the time
04:39.26RndmObjctsyea ive been trying, im not trying to make a retreat timer i dont think.. im just trying to make a timer that counts up the entire time you play
04:39.55mapman_you want to display it?
04:40.03RndmObjctsyea
04:40.10Frostwind:(
04:40.10mapman_just
04:40.12mapman_create timer
04:40.18mapman_then display it
04:40.23mapman_1 sec
04:41.03mapman_<PROTECTED>
04:41.08mapman_ah crap
04:41.14mapman_well you can still read it
04:41.42mapman_oh you want a timer that goes up?
04:41.52mapman_oh
04:41.52mapman_then
04:41.57mapman_just do a dialog
04:42.00mapman_with a label
04:42.08mapman_and make a loop
04:42.15mapman_with a 1 second wait
04:42.23mapman_and add 1 second each time
04:42.27mapman_:3
04:43.35mapman_was that helpful?
04:45.00JademusSregpew pew
04:45.07JademusSregGot the baby in bed.
04:45.07RndmObjctswell you where trying to help so i suppose so lol but no i still cant get it to work, i dont see anything
04:45.10RndmObjctswhen i load in
04:45.10JademusSregWhat's up?
04:45.26mapman_oh
04:45.28mapman_gotta make sure
04:45.37mapman_you display the dialog
04:45.40JademusSregDoing timer stuff?
04:45.53mapman_show last created dialog
04:46.04mapman_at the end
04:46.10mapman_yea its kinda dumb
04:46.18mapman_its not visible by default
04:46.39RndmObjctsyea i havent done much dialog work but i'll give that a shot cause ive tried everthing with the timer stuff i cant get anything to show up
04:47.11RndmObjcts<PROTECTED>
04:47.17RndmObjctsis what i tried with the timer stuff
04:48.06mapman_nono
04:48.10mapman_dont make a timer
04:48.18mapman_timer doesnt count
04:48.26mapman_make a dialog
04:48.29mapman_witha  label
04:48.42mapman_and set a variable to that label
04:49.01mapman_when make a trigger that fires at each second
04:49.23mapman_and increment the label by 1 second
04:49.37mapman_you can convert seconds to 00:00:00 i think
04:49.45mapman_with convert function
04:50.13mapman_I hope I ditn confuse more than I helped :3
04:50.52RndmObjctsyea im a noob lol im going to need to look a dialog tut up just to start here xD lol
04:52.15mapman_timer will only count up to down i believe
04:52.25mapman_not good if you want to count gametime
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04:52.50RndmObjctsyea i dont understand why it has an elapsed time option if thats the case
04:53.18mapman_o it does?
04:53.26mapman_ok then your shit should work
04:54.13mapman_why do you move the timer window if you didnt ever see it
04:54.54mapman_should work bro idk
04:55.02mapman_adk jade
04:55.07mapman_ask jade*
04:55.20mapman_I still think a label is simpler though
04:55.45mapman_:3
04:58.19RndmObjctsi moved it cause i thought maybe it was behind my minimap or something
04:58.37RndmObjctsbut nothing ever shows up lol
04:58.39RndmObjctsso idk
04:58.44RndmObjctsand i cant figure this dialog stuff out lol
05:00.48RndmObjctsso far i have         Dialog - Create a Modal dialog of size (500, 400) at (0, 0) relative to Center of screen lmao... xD
05:02.25JademusSregManaged to kill another Eater of Worlds.
05:02.27JademusSregFun times.
05:02.57JademusSregI don't use timer dialogs; I always make my own, so I have more control over the display.
05:03.51mapman_I guess I could make one for you rnd
05:04.02mapman_when I finish fixing this shit         Timer - Start Timer2 as a One Shot timer that will expire in 45.0 Game Time seconds         Timer - Create a timer window for Timer2, with the title " ", using Remaining time (initially Visible)         Variable - Set Timer Window = (Last created timer window)         Timer - Move Timer Window to (200, 700)         Timer - Set time format for (Last created timer window) to Minutes / Seconds (
05:04.10mapman_crap wrong one
05:04.20mapman_<PROTECTED>
05:04.21mapman_<PROTECTED>
05:04.21RndmObjctswell as much as i need one i would much rather learn to make it on my own, or i'll stay a nub forever :X
05:04.43mapman_well you can learn by checking otehres work though
05:05.18mapman_OMG
05:05.24mapman_I THINK IT WORKED
05:05.42mapman_AD THE PUT THE LOOP INSIDE A TRIGGER INSTEAD OF AN ACTION
05:05.47mapman_THAT IS DUMB
05:07.05mapman_(ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻
05:07.16Nash|327that guy again
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05:08.04mapman_u mad son?
05:08.20Vailrethits time to take pills!
05:08.25Nash|327U MAD BRO
05:08.30Nash|327trollface.jpg
05:08.38mapman_i think he mad cuz cruncher played my map and not  his
05:08.56Nash|327Who the fuck is cruncher
05:08.59mapman_rofl
05:09.02mapman_progamer..
05:09.04mapman_sheesh
05:09.08Nash|327...lawl
05:09.10mapman_what are you bronze leaguer?
05:09.15mapman_(ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻
05:09.23Nash|327No, I don't fucking play melee
05:09.24Vailrethstop with that
05:09.27mapman_trollface.jpg
05:09.30mapman_(ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻
05:09.47_______________flipping the table
05:09.54_______________the only way 2 win a yugioh duel
05:10.00Vailrethlol
05:10.21mapman_(ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻
05:10.28mapman_whats yogioh
05:10.28Nash|327Progamers mean fuck-all to me.
05:10.28Vailrethas Joshua says" Interesting game... the only wining move is not to play"
05:10.28mapman_(ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻
05:10.35mapman_nash is jealous
05:10.53_______________hey mapman, how did flipping the table become so popular lately?
05:10.56_______________ive seen so many ppl use it
05:11.03_______________was it 4chan again?
05:11.03Nash|327I don't care about celebrities.
05:11.14Nash|327They're just random people.
05:11.40_______________actually, by definition celebs arent random
05:11.46_______________altho i dont care about em either
05:11.47RndmObjctsim a bronze leage player >.> QQ, but hey im learning how to play!!! im pretty good at zerg now :> i get owned alot... but i win a few! lol
05:11.51RndmObjctsleague*
05:12.18mapman_well im top 8 master (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻
05:12.22Vailrethi dont understand the facination with so called celebraty actors .. they are just attractive people( for the most part) payed to lie ..on camera
05:12.41mapman_idc bout the person, I care bout the palyers
05:12.45mapman_they are fucking skilled
05:12.49mapman_its impressive
05:13.04Nash|327Well they are random people in the sense that I give as much a shit about their personal lives or opinions as any random person.
05:13.23mapman_didnt you read what i just wrote
05:13.24mapman_(ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻
05:13.25Vailrethagreed nash
05:13.33Nash|327Just because someone's famous everything they do and say suddenly becomes more valid.
05:13.53mapman_didnt you read what I wrote
05:13.53mapman_(ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻
05:13.53Nash|327Even if that has fuck-all to do with them being famous.
05:13.54mapman_(ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻
05:14.13RndmObjctsno you know whats worse than celebritys?
05:14.15Vailrethif i see that one more time you are getting ignorged...
05:14.16RndmObjctstheir spouses
05:14.29RndmObjctsi met dave chappelle at the airport on my way back from florida
05:14.33mapman_and btw their opinion on starcraft related stuff IS more reevant then the average people
05:14.35RndmObjctsand his wife was a total douchebag bitch
05:14.45Nash|327No, it's not.
05:14.57Nash|327Their opinion on ladder balancing maybe.
05:15.10mapman_its like saying an asteroid is aiming towards earth, who should I listen to, einstein or my neighbour
05:15.12RndmObjctsshe went off because my friends mom had a camera, she literally went the fuck off... screaming cussing and ranting... we laughed at her.
05:15.28Vailrether no...
05:15.41Vailrethwell actually yes
05:16.02mapman_if nash was in charge he would ask his neighbour
05:16.05mapman_cuz he would htink
05:16.20Vailrethnow you are acting stupid...
05:16.20mapman_im not listening to einstein just cuz hes celebrity
05:16.22Nash|327lol programer, I'm sure his opinion on how to write triggers in editor is really valid
05:16.28Nash|327Fucking moron.
05:16.30mapman_not programer
05:16.31mapman_progamer
05:16.47mapman_he gave his opinion on balance
05:16.53mapman_you are acting retarded
05:16.56mapman_and u mad
05:16.59mapman_cuz jealous
05:17.00mapman_(ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻
05:17.11Vailrethok mapman_ you are now going to be ignored
05:17.11Nash|327No, you're being stupid.
05:17.21Nash|327I fucking hate celebrity culture.
05:17.27CazDoes it make sense to have two triggers based off the exact same event, but i split up the event response into two triggers for the sake of organization ?
05:18.01Nash|327IF YOU ARE PROGAMER YOUR OPINION ON EVERYTHING STARCRAFT MATTERS LOL
05:18.01Caz2 triggers, same event, different actions.
05:18.12Vailreththere is a diffrence between a Celebrity and an Expert... just saying
05:18.19mapman_it certainly does more than yours
05:18.21mapman_just sayin
05:18.38mapman_good point vail, nash doesnt seem to get that
05:18.46mapman_ok afk
05:18.50mapman_enough of this drama queen
05:18.50Nash|327Well go ask a progamer next tiem you want trigger help.
05:19.17Nash|327So stupid.
05:19.22Vailrethagreed
05:20.37Nash|327Irrationality annoys me.
05:21.06Nash|327Especially hive mind crap where people don't think for themselves.
05:23.19Vailreth(>`-`)>/\-/
05:23.25Vailrethack
05:23.27Cazim going to assume im doing a good thing instead of waiting longer =P
05:23.53Nash|327Haha Caz
05:24.09Nash|327We're too busy arguing.
05:24.13Cazlol
05:24.19VailrethCaz why would two triggers be better? i am not much one for making them but it seems one would be better than two
05:24.52Cazbecause one set of actions are exclusively related to a dialog button.. while the other set of actions to that event pertain to the entirety of gameplay
05:25.07Cazand i have the button variables and such organized via folders
05:25.17Vailrethah that makes sense then.
05:25.19Nash|327If it's the same event and conditions
05:25.24Cazty ^^
05:25.27Nash|327use one trigger :P
05:25.37Vailrethatleats to me but im a data editor guy
05:26.32Nash|327You do need to make different triggers using same event often.
05:26.54Nash|327Because you need to use Any Unit or Any whatever.
05:27.06Nash|327Then distinguish using conditions.
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05:34.07Vailrethhey Agouti whats up
05:34.20Agoutihey Vailreth, nm
05:34.32Agoutihow is your current project progressing?
05:34.52Vailrethok i have finished the first 70 odd validatores
05:35.01Agoutilol
05:35.02Vailrethso another 70 or 80 to go
05:35.06Agoutivalisoup
05:35.16Nash|327VALIDATORES! AY CARAMBA!
05:35.17Vailreth?
05:36.06Agoutii gaffawed
05:36.12Agoutitwas amusing
05:36.52_______________(ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻
05:36.57VailrethHATE
05:36.57_______________I CANT FIGURE OUTTHIS GLITCH
05:36.59_______________OMG
05:37.23Vailrethis the issue triggers or data?
05:37.33_______________data
05:37.42Agoutiexplain
05:37.48Vailrethok maybe i can help what is the issue?
05:38.00_______________Ok well
05:38.00AgoutiNO MAYBE I CAN HELP
05:38.11_______________I duplicated the zergling and zergling burrowed units
05:38.19Agoutiactor
05:38.23Nash|327Why don't you fight about it?
05:38.23Agoutidid I win?
05:38.26_______________then renamed both Rageling and Rageling burrowed respectively
05:38.28_______________also the actor
05:38.31_______________and renamed it also
05:38.35Agoutiaw
05:38.36Agoutik
05:38.37_______________but now
05:38.47Vailrethok and you gave them a behavoir  that gives exp? or the model is off?
05:38.54_______________the Zergling has changed its name to Rageling and that is the new default name of it
05:38.54Agoutiattack animation no worky?
05:38.57Vailrethgives HP!
05:39.09Agoutithat is likely because
05:39.17Agoutithe text link for the duplicated unit
05:39.21Agoutiwas not changed
05:39.24Vailrethah yes
05:39.25_______________text link?
05:39.25Agoutiso when you modified it's name
05:39.35Agoutiturn on raw data
05:39.40_______________k
05:39.42Nash|327IMMA LET YOU FINISH BUT WAS IT THE ACTOR?
05:39.48Nash|327You guys D_D
05:39.51Agoutitext exists as a separate object
05:40.07Agoutiand is linked to by the other objects
05:40.08Agoutif.e.
05:40.12Agoutithe default for units is
05:40.19Agoutiunit/#UNITID#
05:40.29Agoutiso what probably happenned
05:40.33Agoutiwhen you duplicated the zergling
05:40.42Agoutithe new unit still had the Unit/Zergling text link
05:40.46Agoutiso when you modified it's name
05:40.52Agoutiit modified Unit/Zergling
05:40.56Agoutiwhich the original also used
05:41.03Agoutithat would be my guess, anyway
05:41.08Agoutiopen up the Text editor
05:41.13Agouti(big A up the top)
05:41.15Agoutiand have a look
05:41.34Agoutior turn on raw data and see what the text links are
05:41.37Vailrethor just double clcik the name field in the properties table
05:41.49Agoutior that
05:41.56Vailrethnot the explorer though
05:42.11_______________oic, *checks*
05:42.15Agoutiyou don't need to add/remove text objects, GE automatically creates and destroys them when they are referenced/not referenced
05:42.25Agoutiakso
05:42.28Agoutilol nash
05:42.49AgoutiAHMMA LET YOU FINISH, BUT ACTORS WERE THE BEST PROBLEMS OF ALL TIME
05:43.12Nash|327You could have just let him explain :G
05:43.14Vailrethcrap i tried to ignore mapman and accidently ignored nash instead what a mistake lol
05:43.28Agoutibut nash
05:43.30_______________oo ic, there are two text rageling id's in there
05:43.32Agoutiwhere is the challenge in that
05:43.36Nash|327IS IT THIS? IS IT THAT? IS IT...?
05:43.39_______________so should i just change 1 into zergling?
05:43.48Agoutiunit/zergling = Zergling
05:43.53Agoutiunit/Rageling = rageling
05:44.03Agoutimake sure they both have the right link
05:44.05Agoutiproblem solved
05:44.21Agouticlearly Nash I am very competetive
05:44.26Agoutiand must win at everythign
05:44.31_______________nice
05:44.33_______________it worked
05:44.34Agoutiincluding typos
05:44.37_______________ty :)
05:44.40Agoutinp
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05:44.59Nash|327D;
05:45.00Vailreth:{ do you have any other issues
05:45.48Agoutilol
05:45.51Nash|327it r a hawkerface
05:46.07Agoutihawks are clearly awesome
05:46.12Agoutibut not as awesome as eagles
05:46.16Agoutijust putting that out there
05:46.38Vailrethi wish griffons were real...but thats just me...
05:46.59Agoutiyeah
05:47.03Agoutigriffons are pretty awesome
05:47.10Nash|327KITTUNS
05:47.13Vailrethoh just thought of a bad pun...
05:47.17Agoutigot a funny feeling they would be aggressive as fuck
05:47.22Agoutithough
05:47.41Vailrethwhen you cross a flying dinosaur and and oil product you get a petroldactyl
05:47.52Agoutihurr hurr
05:47.58Vailrethand an*
05:47.59Vailrethgah
05:48.07Agoutipetrodactyl
05:48.37Agoutiactually if you had a better leadon question that could actually be funny
05:48.42Vailrethyeah
05:48.59Agoutisome reference to birds and ancient
05:49.02Agoutior something
05:49.07Nash|327D_D
05:49.17Agoutialso
05:49.19Nash|327stone fingers
05:49.21Agoutidragons rule griffons drool
05:49.27Vailrethyeah but im too distratced by this chipmunk version of Something in your mouth by Nickelback
05:49.33AgoutiO_o
05:49.50Vailrethwhat?
05:50.04Agoutieach to their own I suppose
05:50.22Nash|327Ponies pwn dragons and griffons though, I saw it.
05:50.30Vailrethi also have chimunked deciever and indestuctible by disturbed
05:50.53Vailrethi need therapy i really do ...
05:51.38Nash|327better to just turn up tempo
05:51.42Nash|327not pitch
05:51.55Nash|327everything is better with higher tempo :D!
05:52.08RndmObjctsok im a nub and need help lol i have         Dialog - Create a Modal dialog of size (500, 400) at (0, 0) relative to Center of screen         Variable - Set Timer Dialog Frame = (Last created dialog)         Dialog - Set title of (Last created dialog) to "Timer"    but nothing shows up in game, am i doing something wrong? also the variable i have it set to "Timer Dialog Frame" is of dialog type
05:52.21Vailrethwhat you really want to do is blend changes of pitch and temp just right so it has the right fee
05:52.22Vailrethfeel
05:52.41AgoutiRndmObjcts, why are you doing that?
05:52.47Agouti2 problems with what you posted
05:52.52Agouti1. you need to show windows
05:52.54Agoutiwith
05:52.58RndmObjctsAgouti:  im trying to make a timer that counts up
05:53.01AgoutiShow (something)
05:53.02Agouti2.
05:53.09Agoutithat is what timer windows are for
05:53.10Vailrethoh i would like an opinion if may get on on this line for my infestor hero.... " Spreading Good ill across the world ..."
05:53.31Nash|327Illogical.
05:53.33AgoutiCreate Timer Window (Last Created Timer)
05:53.52Agoutiwhich are created shown by default, I believe
05:53.53RndmObjctsAgouti:  i tried that already with Timer - Start Timer as a Repeating timer that will expire in Infinite Real Time seconds         Timer - Create a timer window for Timer, with the title "Time Taken", using Elapsed time (initially Visible)         Timer - Move (Last created timer window) to (50, 50)         Timer - Set time format for (Last created timer window) to Standard (hh:mm:ss)         Timer - Show (Last created timer w
05:53.57RndmObjctsuse a dialog instead
05:54.19Agoutiwhat you posted will work.
05:54.28Agoutilet me find a working example
05:55.10Agouti<PROTECTED>
05:55.11Agouti<PROTECTED>
05:55.11Agouti<PROTECTED>
05:55.32Nash|327that is a countdown
05:56.17AgoutiClearly if you changed Remaining to Elapsed
05:56.23Agouti-.-
05:56.50RndmObjctsyes i did that and nothing showed up QQ
05:57.02Agoutiwell you did something wrong, then
05:57.05Agoutibecause that works
05:57.09Nash|327Elapsed feature might not work.
05:57.17AgoutiI shall test.
05:58.12AgoutiElapsed works just fine.
05:58.20Agoutithe code he copied is substantially different to mine
05:58.28AgoutiI'm guessing he is doing something wrong there.
05:58.34AgoutiJust use the commands I posted
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05:59.50HP-X|Arthas.....
05:59.52AgoutiI would guess something in
05:59.57HP-X|Arthasfirefox 6 beta?
05:59.57AgoutiTimer - Move (Last created timer window) to (50, 50)         Timer - Set time format for (Last created timer window) to Standard (hh:mm:ss)         Timer - Show (Last created timer w
06:00.06Agoutifirefox is crap these days
06:00.07HP-X|Arthasthey should seriously move back to a sane versioning method
06:00.20HP-X|Arthasah well, need to powernap! :p
06:00.31Agoutithere have not been anything like enough changes to warrent a major version change
06:00.37Agoutiwarrant*
06:00.45Agoutianyway, Chrome > Firefox
06:00.47Agoutipew pew
06:01.43Vailrethlater folks
06:08.15RndmObjctsAgouti:  nothing
06:08.35Agouticopypasta code
06:08.47Agoutithe code I pasted works
06:08.56mapman_hey sup agou
06:08.59hawkershakes kittun bag
06:09.01Agoutihallo mapman_
06:09.05RndmObjctsAgouti:          Timer - Start Timer as a One Shot timer that will expire in 10.0 Game Time seconds         Timer - Create a timer window for Timer, with the title "Time Spent", using Elapsed time (initially Visible)         Timer - Set timer for (Last created timer window) to (Last started timer)
06:09.33Agoutiyou don't need that last line
06:09.37mapman_Imo you should try to make it with a label, but thats just personally
06:09.59RndmObjctsyea i have the dialog made, im going to try and figure out the label after this
06:10.12Agoutijust do exactly what I have
06:10.15Agoutithat isn't what I have
06:10.18mapman_agouti, was it with you we were talking about loops within loops?
06:10.23Agoutino
06:10.26mapman_ah ok
06:10.32Agoutibut they are pretty standard stuff?
06:10.43mapman_uhm, idk
06:10.46RndmObjctshow to i get the Variable - Set Timer Window = (Last created timer window)
06:10.48mapman_used it only once
06:10.49Agoutialso RndmObjcts, use better variable names
06:10.52AgoutiRndmObjcts,
06:10.54Agouticlearly
06:10.57AgoutiSet Variable
06:11.02AgoutiVariable name
06:11.04AgoutiTimer Window
06:11.07Agoutiset to
06:11.08Agoutifunction
06:11.12AgoutiLast Created Window
06:11.29Agoutithat variable shouldn't have a space in it
06:11.41AgoutiI usually don't like having variables which sound like functions
06:12.02AgoutiVariable - Set timerWindow = (Last created timer window)
06:12.13Agoutimake more sense?
06:12.52Nash|327hawker: KITTUNS
06:13.20RndmObjcts<PROTECTED>
06:13.44Agoutireread that
06:13.54Agoutislowly
06:13.57Agoutiand spot the derp
06:14.05RndmObjctsthere is no last created timer window in it
06:14.12RndmObjctsjust last started timer
06:14.14AgoutiSet TimerWindow = timer
06:14.18Agoutinot
06:14.22Agoutiset TimerWindow = timer window
06:14.31Agouticomon man
06:15.02Agoutiregardless, that should still show a timer window
06:15.28hawkerkittun
06:15.29AgoutiSome other part of your code is being derpy
06:15.47RndmObjctsScript failed to compile: Implicit cast not allowed (See Trigger Editor for more details)
06:15.57Agoutiyeah because you derped
06:16.02Agoutilook at your code
06:16.07Agoutiplay spot the difference with mine
06:16.24Nash|327hawker gimme your kittunbags
06:16.32hawkerNO1
06:16.43hawkerhides kittunbags
06:16.44hawkerha!
06:17.10Nash|327I demand kittunbags
06:17.23hawkerreluctantly gives kittunbag
06:17.30Nash|327:D!
06:17.32hawkeru has one, it ok
06:18.18hawker¯\_(ツ)_/¯
06:18.25Nash|327D:
06:18.27RndmObjctsok well i changed game time to real time the last thing that doesnt match up is Variable - Set Timer Window = (Last created timer window) , which again.. i do not have that option.
06:18.48AgoutiHave a guess why that could be
06:19.10AgoutiWhat reasons could there be for not being able to set a variable to a Timer Window
06:19.22Nash|327hawker Dresnia has quitted
06:19.24Ashamed_woot :) Got my progress dialog bar going good
06:19.27Nash|327D:~~
06:19.36hawker:(
06:19.39hawkerwell
06:19.42hawkeryou saw it coming at least
06:19.43AgoutiI'll give you a hint: Timer Windows and Timers are different types of data
06:19.51Nash|327Indeed.
06:19.56Agoutimuch like Unit Group and Integer are different
06:20.12hawkerwell, i'll be happy to finish it up if you want me
06:20.19Ashamed_i got the math good by finding a percentage of the length of the max size of the bar and the precent of max mount of XP you need
06:20.33Nash|327You'll have to talk to Dresnia about terrain specifics though.
06:20.39Nash|327And access to dropbox.
06:20.55hawkerkk
06:20.56hawkercan do
06:21.09Nash|327le MSN?
06:21.21hawkerhaven't used in years, let me check
06:21.24Ashamed_gn
06:21.24hawkeruse skype mostly
06:21.27hawker1 seck
06:21.34Nash|327a skype is fine too
06:22.51RndmObjctsok "         Timer - Start GameTimer as a One Shot timer that will expire in 10.0 Real Time seconds         Timer - Create a timer window for GameTimer, with the title "Time Spent", using Elapsed time (initially Visible)         Variable - Set TimerWindow = (Last created timer window) " and still nothing
06:24.02Nash|327maybe trigger never actually runs?
06:24.03Nash|327D_D
06:25.12hawkeralright, msn = hawker1@live.com
06:25.17hawkeri'll need it at some point
06:25.27hawkerfor something else anyway
06:25.39hawkermoar avenues de communication are always good things
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06:27.12Agoutithat is correct RndmObjcts, what is the code surrounding it?
06:27.19Agoutiand are you certain that code is being run?
06:27.38hawkeru get that nash?
06:27.57RndmObjctsAgouti:          Game - Map initialization? and idk what do i need to do to run it? im a total nub at this stuff man lol.
06:28.10Nash|327I added you, but no magic yet
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06:31.12hawkerdamn.
06:31.21hawkerwhenever mexa logs on, i think of mexawaffles
06:31.25hawkerand then i'm hungry
06:31.27hawker:(
06:31.29Nash|327hahahaha
06:31.44Nash|327what about Mexagreek salad?
06:32.13Nash|327hawker boot your MSN
06:32.20hawkerkk
06:32.21Nash|327and approve D:
06:33.12AgoutiI might need to see the map itself RndmObjcts
06:33.20Agoutican you upload it to dropbox or such?'
06:35.46MexawafflesIt be ohnomnom
06:35.58hawker:(
06:36.02hawkerwhere is the notification?
06:36.04hawker:(
06:36.18Mexawafflesnom
06:36.26Nash|327D_D
06:36.41Nash|327add me then
06:37.15Nash|327nashadun@hotmail.com D:
06:37.27RndmObjctsi can email it if you want
06:37.32hawkerSTOP IT MEXA
06:37.38hawkerD:
06:37.38hawkerI CAN'T HANDLE IT
06:38.19hawkerthat came out a lot more awkward than i intended it to be
06:38.20hawker:/
06:39.09hawkerany magic on your end nash?
06:39.55Nash|327no, wtf
06:40.03RndmObjctsAgouti: just open a pm with me and tell me your email and i can email it
06:41.32hawkeri tried again, apparently i'm "already connected" with you :\
06:42.28hawkerwhat is this silliness
06:43.39Nash|327removed and added you
06:43.46Nash|327now it's just looping
06:44.09hawkerhow bout now
06:44.14hawkerjust sent messagageeged
06:44.22Nash|327service not available D_D
06:44.33Nash|327person will be added when it is
06:44.36Nash|327bah
06:45.03hawker:|
06:47.21Nash|327cleared out my contact list
06:47.40Nash|327ancient MSN D:
06:48.11Nash|327How are your trolls ;G
06:48.18hawkerlol
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06:50.10Nash|327Mexawaffles
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06:56.11hawker:|
06:56.32MexawafflesMy idiot network isn't working
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06:59.16hawkerdon't call it names :(
07:01.10Nash|327You have a network of idiots?
07:01.16Nash|327No wonder it's not working.
07:02.37Mexa_derp
07:04.49Nash|327damn hackers
07:04.56Agoutipigeon powered internet is not without it's problems
07:04.59Cazyay finished dialog tutorial  lolol
07:05.09Nash|327making me do extra crap
07:05.20Mexa_Dialog tutorial?
07:05.41Cazmade my first dialog with a button that spawns marines, hides at 5 marines... reappears if you kill one and have less than 5
07:06.36Mexawaffleshttp://youtu.be/jzq2O54LLIw void rays ?!?
07:06.37hawkeranyluck nash?
07:06.41hawkeri've sent you teh messages
07:06.54hawkerhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CH4w7UZV3NA <--- way fucking better than void rays
07:07.03Nash|327some problem with the service atm
07:07.18Nash|327just gonna wait a while
07:07.31Mexawafflesmeh, I can enjoy both
07:07.40Nash|327skype might work better
07:07.46hawkermb
07:07.58hawkeri want to make sure msn is wokring
07:08.05hawkerother project probably use
07:09.05Nash|327probably
07:09.12Nash|327not like anyone uses ICQ
07:09.51MexawafflesMeh, the production value is much higher on the Void Rays song ;p
07:11.23CazHAHA
07:11.28Cazhawker, <3 that link
07:11.36hawkerlol :P
07:11.37Cazohh u hated on it
07:11.37Cazerrrr
07:11.42CazMEXA*
07:11.43Cazderp
07:12.00Mexawafflesherp indeed, you confused me now.
07:12.01Cazbut NOW i watch yours !
07:12.14Cazi watched your link to void rays and had a laugh
07:12.15Caz<3'd it
07:12.19Mexawafflesah
07:12.24Cazgonna see what hawker is buzzin about now lol
07:12.47MexawafflesHawker, btw, I also tend to like most of what Kurt is producing.
07:12.59Mexawafflesnow... coffee
07:15.21hawkerhmm
07:15.21hawkeris late
07:15.24hawkershould go bed
07:15.26hawkerdo not wnat
07:15.26AgoutiCan anybody think of a good way to deal damage based on casters HP?
07:15.28Mexawaffleshow much?
07:15.44Agoutiby fraction
07:15.47Agoutiso for instance
07:16.05Agoutideal 20% fraction damage to caster, deal damage to target based on amount dealt to caster
07:16.12AgoutiI'm sure there is a clean way to do it
07:16.16Agoutijust can't think of i
07:16.20Agoutibehaviour stacks, maybe
07:16.42Nash|327triggers
07:16.49Agouti:<
07:17.23AgoutiIf it needs triggers I'll probably do something else
07:17.30Nash|327people waste waaay too much time making a DATA EDITOR ONLY solution
07:17.35AgoutiI'm positive there is a way
07:17.46Agoutithat is because data is better
07:17.53Agoutiyou don't get shit delays
07:18.00Agoutidoesn't cause network congestion
07:18.10Agoutidoesn't use anything like the CPU time
07:18.18Agoutiand makes the ability trasnportable
07:18.52Nash|327yeah but triggers lets you get shit done
07:19.13AgoutiI also have a little something called pride of workmanship
07:19.14Nash|327so you can actually release the map this decade
07:19.30Agoutimy map is released, I'm just updating
07:19.36Agoutiand I couldn't care if it makes it take longer
07:19.41Agoutido it once, do it right
07:20.28Nash|327Pride is irrelevant.
07:21.40Nash|327D:<
07:24.37hawker:O
07:28.49MexawafflesNash, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP4NMoJcFd4
07:29.10MexawafflesThat she loves cats, now autotuned
07:29.13Mexawaffles:>
07:29.15Nash|327OLD
07:29.21MexawafflesMABEH
07:36.17hawker:}
07:36.20hawkermsn trollin'
07:36.30Cazwhat's a good site upload images so i can give links to screenshots
07:36.38Cazto upload*
07:37.44Nash|327MSN trolls you
07:37.47Nash|327by not working
07:38.03Nash|327imgur.com
07:49.46hawkerimagesheik
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07:52.35Mexa_tinyurl is somewhat good
07:53.08Mexa_other than that I'd use dropbox, but it doesn't work for Nash, so I'm not allowed to have that opinion.
07:54.07hawker:|
07:54.54Mexa_My network is derping... apparantly I can access this well, but nothing else.
07:54.55Mexa_Brb
07:56.21hawkerlol
07:57.23hawkerhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Usm8pk3kw4I&feature=related
07:57.25hawkersoooooo good
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07:59.56Mexa_I mad...
08:03.08hawker:(
08:03.11hawkermsn = me mad
08:10.05hawkerno luck nash?
08:11.11Mexa_Luck isn't there when you need ot
08:13.25hawker:|
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08:16.00hawkerhmm
08:16.07hawkeri might just not sleep tonight
08:16.10hawker4tehlulz
08:19.34mapman_hey my friends
08:21.06hawkero hi thar
08:21.15hawkeryep, not going to sleep
08:21.21hawkerlol
08:23.41Currydevilsounds like fun
08:25.46hawkerno, going to be awful
08:25.58hawkerlol
08:26.38Currydevilindeed
08:28.48hawkerhmm
08:28.56hawkerlate night paranoia setting in
08:28.59hawkerright on schedule
08:29.07hawkerlittle late, even
08:30.08Nash|327restart MSN D_D
08:30.19Nash|327I will too
08:31.29hawkerkk
08:34.06Nash|327buggy ass shit D:
08:35.36hawkerwhatisthisidonteven.avi
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08:37.26Nash|327trollface.jpg
08:43.45hawkernash, actually installing messenger nao
08:43.48hawkerif that matters
08:43.58hawkerwas just using online voison
08:43.59hawkerb4
08:51.38Nash|327D:
08:51.42Nash|327I see
08:52.02Nash|327gonna go buy coke
08:53.03hawkerFUN FUN FUN FUN
08:53.07hawkerk.
08:56.07CazIs the trigger function "Players on Team" returning a player group object consisting of those players? If so, how do i traverse the group to access each player and its properties (such as player number).
08:57.40Caz?*
08:58.56CazAnyone :x ?
09:00.52Cazit can't be that hard to go thru the list of players on a team
09:02.17Mexa_You can get each player by picking each player in the group and rfer to the picked player
09:02.50Mexa_in gui, a player is somewhat a type. In reality, a player is only an integer.
09:02.51Cazhmm.. and the thing returned from "Players on Team" would be a "Player Group" then in terms of variable types ?
09:03.17Mexa_Players on team would return all players in a specific team I suppose
09:03.20Nash|327likely
09:03.23Mexa_So yeah, a plyergrou¨p
09:03.31Nash|327I've never used it
09:03.48Nash|327wiki would know
09:04.20Nash|327http://wiki.sc2mapster.com/galaxy/triggers/players-on-team/
09:04.25Nash|327CASE CLOSED
09:05.09CazNice, playerGroup return type.
09:05.12CazThanks, both of you =)
09:05.56hawkernash, check le emaul
09:06.12Nash|327emaul?
09:06.41Nash|327what where!?
09:08.44hawkerhawtmail
09:09.09Nash|327I don't use hotmail D:
09:10.36hawkeri thought u has msn
09:10.39hawker:|
09:10.46hawkeri wanted to make sure accnt was werking
09:11.03Nash|327yes, MSN account, but I don't actually use the mail D_D
09:11.06hawkeroh, delivery FAILEd
09:11.09hawkerk
09:11.11Nash|327hotmail sucks
09:11.15Nash|327gmail :G
09:11.15hawkeryep
09:15.09Currydevilis it possible to speed up animations? and or use actor events to loop an animation?
09:15.53Nash|327yas
09:16.59CazHey is there way to click a unit in editor and add it to your selected group ? .. Holding control makes it think im trying to move the map around.
09:17.29Currydevilshift click no?
09:19.00Cazhaha curry... thanks!
09:19.39Cazuse to Ctrl+Click means add for 90% of situations... sneaky shiftness
09:25.18Nash|327only bosses and map merging left to do D:
09:26.31Cazhehe
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09:29.00Hobrowhi
09:29.16Hobrowcan anyone tell me the name of the landed medivac doodad?
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09:34.48CazBtw nash... the team thing is so i can dictate which player controls which unit group based on what team they were in via lobby. Since the lame player number is based off the order you entered lobby, regardless of your placement :x
09:34.58Cazargitty arg arghh
09:35.31Caz1v1 map atm
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09:49.28Mexa_net split huh..
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09:59.29hawkernash, i'll be back on later
09:59.35hawkerill try to get msn to werk
10:02.20Statharas*gargle*
10:02.34Statharaswhy does this vertex move along with my bone
10:02.37Statharasi don't get it.
10:02.58Caz.-.
10:04.57Cazmmm Galexy Editor tutorials are tearing blood from my eyeholes.. time to watch day9 a bit :D
10:08.37Hobrowcan anyone tell me the name of the landed medivac doodad? http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/84/medivac.png/
10:21.38mapman_try searching medivac?
10:21.48mapman_reacage
10:21.50mapman_idk
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10:31.27Hobrow....
11:03.47Mexa_So, I forgot... if I have a set containing 4 booleans, how many combinations can they make if you take into consideration of the order?
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11:05.22Nash|3272^4
11:05.47Nash|3270000 to 1111
11:06.13Nash|3271111 = 8+4+2+1=15
11:06.32Nash|327thus 16, i.e. 2^4
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11:07.06Mexa_Okay, and if I don't take into consideration of the order?
11:07.12Mexa_(always mix up those two)
11:08.09Nash|327well if you disregard order it's just a matter of how many 1s
11:08.33Nash|327which just gives you 5 alternatives
11:08.44Mexa_oh, right
11:08.53Mexa_silly me
11:09.11Mexa_And now to think of it, nothing of this was related to what I wanted
11:09.12Mexa_lol
11:10.35Nash|327mathboon
11:18.48Nash|327Did you study any low level stuff :G
11:19.01Nash|327logical circuits, boolean algebra etc :G
11:19.18Nash|327EXTREMELY low level
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11:34.48Mexa|ZugNash, I just happend to have forgotten what I learned atm..
11:43.28CazDoes the editor have a way to create custom data objects (like a class or struct in programming) ?
11:43.28Nash|327I see.
11:44.01CazRepeating tons of variables for each player seems redundant
11:44.13Nash|327I use arrays ;G
11:44.55Cazso you if you have a  6 player map .. u make an array of 6 for every variable :x ?
11:44.57Nash|327Though to be totally neat you should use records.
11:45.04Nash|327Indeed.
11:45.12Cazrecords sounds better !.. sounds like a struct lol
11:45.58CazI like code organization so cleaner brings the love <3
11:46.05Cazgoing to look at what a record is :D
11:46.09Nash|327But you'd still need an array of records or something
11:46.22Nash|327so you can access a player's record using player number
11:47.18CazIndeed, that goes without saying :)
11:48.32Nash|327so instead of having an array of records, with variables inside, I just skip the middleman and just make arrays of variables
11:50.55CazIm too use to data objects, straight array will feel bloated :x
11:51.31Nash|327but it uses same memory space
11:51.39CazIts like.. a dirty secret.. im doing the same thing..but i put it where ucant see it
11:51.58Nash|327and the benefits of OOP is irrelevant for this
11:52.02Nash|327there are no classes
11:52.22Nash|327code reuse is rare
11:52.26Cazya well ur looking at a guy who named his dialog button ptrDlgBtn_UnitPick_Marine
11:52.32Cazlawl
11:52.35Nash|327and you don't really need long term thinking
11:52.48Nash|327unless you plan to make more maps than you can actually publish
11:52.49Nash|327D_D
11:53.24Cazi'll just feel more comfortable with records i think... stylistic differences arent refute-worthy :p
11:54.05Nash|327well if it helps you code better
11:54.30Nash|327I just avoid crappy coding.
11:54.44Nash|327How my code looks is irrelevant, nobody will see it.
11:54.47Deaoda record is a struct
11:55.08Nash|327Though making inefficient code is bad :G
11:55.08Deaodthat leads to crappy coding, btw
11:55.22Nash|327nope
11:55.45Nash|327it leads to crap if you can't keep track of what you're doing
11:59.33Nash|327just don't do stuff like copy/paste code several times instead of using a function/loop etc
12:00.31CazIm reading here a function based on "Active" players... what constitutes and "Inactive" status ?
12:00.42Nash|327active players
12:00.46Nash|327plays in game
12:01.07Cazoh... weird way of saying players in game lol
12:01.45Nash|327yes D_D
12:02.28Nash|327but "players in game" could be interpreted as all players which are usable for game
12:02.48Nash|327like, a map with 4 bases
12:02.52Cazdepends on if you think about it as humanoid player, or available objects to represent them lol
12:02.56Nash|327has 4 players
12:03.12Nash|327but there might be just 2 playing D_D
12:03.42Nash|327I'm not sure how observers etc count
12:04.02Cazwas just wondering about that.. but they probably dont get assigned a player number.
12:04.46Nash|327observe an AI vs. AI game
12:05.00Cazwhat for ?
12:05.13Nash|327players can be: 0, 2, or 4 (assuming 4 player map)
12:05.23Nash|327depending on how you interpret player
12:05.53Nash|327actual human players, participants in game, or potential participants
12:05.55Nash|327;G
12:11.13Cazthis is my first "Pressed Button" lol
12:11.14Cazhttp://s1095.photobucket.com/albums/i478/cazicss/?action=view&current=Dialog-1_Button_Press.png
12:11.39Nash|327Center of Entire Map D:
12:12.12CazIts easy to do, the focus is on how to make a dialog, not a functional game map
12:13.00Cazmy friend and i were spawning marines in the middle of the map and attacking each other .. was amusing.. every time we hit 5 the dialog would dissappear and as soon as a marine died we'd race to hit the button before each other to get the next one
12:20.34CazIm seeing that some people write triggers and such without the GUI ??
12:24.35Nash|327yes
12:25.31Nash|327The problem with that is...
12:25.41Nash|327When you're a noob, it's easier to just use GUI
12:25.49CazThat sounds interesting to see, but first i need to figure out how to put variables in this record lol.
12:26.23Nash|327and when you get advanced enough that you might actually bother, it's not worth learning unless you plan to be making a lot of maps
12:27.18Nash|327I've made 2 maps and have no plans to make futher maps
12:27.27Nash|327:G
12:27.44Nash|327Just going to work on most recent one.
12:27.47Caz:O
12:27.52Cazhow come ?
12:27.58Nash|327it's tiresome
12:28.12Nash|327and bnet players like crappy crap
12:28.18Nash|327made by hacks
12:29.15Nash|327generic zero effort maps, remakes of WC3 maps and general poorly designed garbage made by illiterates
12:30.23Nash|327I tried making a hack&slash with some story, mostly humoristic characters
12:30.27Nash|327nobody reads that shit
12:30.37Nash|327all they want is BANKS
12:30.45Nash|327and ITEMS
12:31.19Nash|327Even though having items is fucking moronic.
12:31.31Nash|327And banks cause any number of balance issues :G
12:31.46Caz:(
12:32.17CazDo you know why creating a variable and selecting "-Record" in the dropdown gives me a totally different variable than selecting [New Record] button at top of window ?
12:32.20Nash|327Bnet community are clueless about sound game design
12:32.23Nash|327they're scrubs
12:32.34Nash|327I don't use records D_D
12:32.46CazDoesnt mean ur clueless, thought id ask :P
12:33.05Nash|327No, but it's likely.
12:33.06CazI'll just use the button... it seems to do the right thing, while the other doesnt lol
12:33.46Nash|327maybe one is an actual record and the other is a pointer to one?
12:33.49Nash|327or something
12:34.26Nash|327I mean creating a Unit variable doesn't create a unit...
12:34.35Nash|327It's just a reference to a unit.
12:35.28CazGood point.
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13:50.08Statharaswho can help me test a model?
13:51.23duckyhow would you test a model? =O you don't have editor?
13:51.58duckyalso, anyone bored on EU who colud help me playtest a map?
13:52.32Statharasno, i just can't make an attachment work :V
13:54.07duckyooh, i doubt i can help you, i haven't worked in data in a loong time
13:54.09ducky=(
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13:58.31Nash|327installing ventrilo D:
13:58.59Deaodwww.teamspeak.com
13:59.07Deaoduse that one instead.
14:00.58HP-X|Arthashttp://mumble.sourceforge.net/
14:01.01HP-X|Arthasuse that one instead
14:01.17Agoutiarthas knows.
14:01.54Deaodactually, i prefer TS' interface over mumbles.
14:02.23Nash|327I don't really give a shit
14:02.25Deaodvents interface is atrocious.
14:02.37Nash|327but map night uses Vent
14:02.44Deaodarrrgh.
14:02.56Deaodthe pain.
14:03.15Nash|327Why the fuck would I install a client I never need to use?
14:03.18HP-X|Arthasjust use skype :p
14:03.19Nash|327Even if it is better.
14:03.46Deaodskype uses a fundamentally different protocol, namely a P2P one
14:03.58Zoxcthrows TS and Ventrilo into a fire, along with Deaod
14:04.36Deaodso once you have a few friends in a group chat, it hogs too much upload bandwidth
14:04.52Deaoddont forget to throw Skype in, too, Zoxc
14:05.10HP-X|ArthasZoxc, do you know if there is a command line option for sc2.exe which allows you to load an additional mpq archive?
14:05.16ZoxcSkype goes in another fire
14:05.46ZoxcHP-X|Arthas: sounds unlikely
14:06.09HP-X|Arthasi know wc3 had one so i really hoped it would've followed to sc2 :p
14:07.13Zoxcdid wc3 have one? :/
14:07.49HP-X|Arthasim pretty sure it had anyway
14:07.51HP-X|Arthas:p
14:08.01HP-X|Arthasdidnt rise of krill utilize it?
14:08.40Xaragothhttp://i.imgur.com/9s551.jpg ~~ coming along nicely
14:09.19Agoutithat is ...?
14:09.42Zoxcdon't know, it wasn't really too hard just to use storm to load another mpq, and you could use files directly in Diablo II and WC3
14:09.49Xaragothme being bored agouti
14:09.57Xaragothalso, portfolio work in udk
14:10.03Agoutiah
14:10.15Agoutilooks like the old Unreal engine
14:10.19HP-X|Arthasare you referring to use of files directly ala folder structure
14:10.26Deaodits UE3
14:10.33Xaragothexactly
14:10.36XaragothI blame epic for the assets btw
14:10.43DeaodUE2 didnt look as good
14:10.43ZoxcHP-X|Arthas: yeah
14:11.07HP-X|Arthasright, does that work in sc2? =p
14:11.08Xaragothand somehow the fog is fucking with the depth of field
14:11.10Xaragothgotta find out why
14:11.13HP-X|Arthasi would assume no
14:11.52Zoxcif that works in WoW, perhaps =P
14:14.36Mexa|ZugXaragoth, so, you are designing, or does it involve programming anything?
14:14.46Xaragothscripting
14:14.52Xaragothno uscript, at least not a lot
14:14.54Xaragothjust level design
14:15.17Mexa|ZugHm
14:15.25Mexa|Zugwhat level is the scripting at?
14:15.37Xaragothhrm, business level?
14:15.37Xaragoth:p
14:15.58Xaragothit's mostly GUI based, if you don't uscript
14:16.03Mexa|Zugmeh, I meant, the syntax, if it's highlevel, what you can do with it etc
14:16.10Xaragothand can be a pain in the ass, because uscript allows for a much smoother workflow
14:16.14Mexa|ZugAnd I don't know uscript either.
14:16.29DeaodKismet is worse than SC2s GUI
14:16.34DeaodIMO
14:16.35Xaragothindeed
14:16.41Xaragothand SC2 GUI isn't very good
14:16.42Mexa|ZugKismet?
14:16.50HP-X|ArthasZoxc: nvm, the possible ways to override seems to be folder structure only (in wc3) :p
14:16.51Xaragoththat's the graphic based scripting they have
14:16.55HP-X|Arthasnow afk
14:16.55Xaragothclicky, clicky scripting
14:16.55Mexa|Zugah
14:17.04Mexa|Zuggotch.
14:17.08Mexa|Zug*a
14:17.13Xaragoththe hard part about udk is assets
14:17.27Xaragothi'm using the assets from ut3 & the foliage udk demo and some older udk versions
14:17.42Xaragothafter this, I'll probably build something cooler in my free time
14:17.43Xaragothsec
14:18.29Xaragothhttp://i.imgur.com/i6tDw.jpg
14:18.30Xaragoththis
14:18.33Xaragothfrom my student project
14:18.41Xaragothwe never made it to that level due to NOBODY knowing shit besides me
14:18.48Xaragothhad to do 99% of the scripting
14:18.51Mexa|ZugConcept art?
14:18.53Xaragothwe never got any decent assets
14:18.58Xaragothye
14:19.03Xaragothgoing to cut that thing apart
14:19.07Xaragothbuild all the assets in highpoly
14:19.10Xaragothand recreate that scene
14:19.10Xaragoth=)
14:19.19Mexa|Zugneat
14:19.23Nash|327I want kittuns
14:19.38Nash|327...
14:19.39Deaodhands Nash a bag of kittens.
14:19.40Mexa|ZugWell, you won't have mine
14:19.45Nash|327There!
14:20.02Nash|327Service could be better, but not bad.
14:20.29Nash|327has a bag of kittuns!
14:20.40Mexa|Zug*kittens
14:20.46Nash|327KITTUNS
14:21.01DeaodKITTUNS GODDAMNIT, I CANT SPELL.
14:21.24Nash|327It's okay, most people can't spell kittuns.
14:21.32Mexa|Zugherpaderpa
14:21.34Nash|327At least until I have educated them.
14:23.11duckyhey, i need a tester for 10 min, anyone on eu is available?
14:23.39Nash|327D_D
14:23.50Nash|327Only if I get more kittuns.
14:24.04duckyNooo, not D_D face..
14:24.09Nash|327D_D
14:24.17duckyhow about Imaginary kittens?
14:24.25duckythey're cuter than real ones?
14:24.30Nash|3271 bag of kittuns should suffice.
14:24.40Nash|327GIEV
14:25.05Deaodbtw, what do you want to do with two bags of kittens?
14:25.10duckycarelessly throws two bags of kittens at Nash
14:25.16Nash|327Yay!
14:25.28Nash|327More bags of kittuns!
14:25.30duckyenjoy your meal
14:25.36ducky^_^
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14:28.37Mexa|Zug*kittens
14:30.31Mexa|ZugBleh, I am so sick of tired of my interpretator school project <.<
14:30.43Mexa|ZugSoon to be done tho..
14:39.14ashamederg
14:39.20ashamedback in hell
14:42.55Nash|327extra kittuns :G
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14:47.13Nash|327interpretator D_D
14:47.29Mexa|Zugindeed
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14:47.39Nash|327that's not a word
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14:47.49Mexa|Zuginterpreter then.
14:48.19Nash|327Yup. And KITTUNS.
14:50.38Mexa|ZugNash, teeworlds has kitty tee skin :G join
14:50.54Nash|327NEVER
14:51.10Mexa|Zug:F
14:51.19Mexa|ZugBut, it's a cute game :(
14:53.10Nash|327kittuns are cute
14:53.21Nash|327why not just look at kittuns?
14:55.02Agoutinash: http://i.imgur.com/Cnu1e.gif
14:56.13Agoutialso http://i.imgur.com/UDlVz.jpg
14:56.18Nash|327if you cut out the dumb sniper crap it's funny
14:56.19Agoutithere are your kittuns
14:56.51Nash|327what are those kittuns doing?
14:56.56Nash|327they just tip over
14:57.12Agoutiprobably a neurological disorder of some kind
14:57.31Agouticat version of epilepsy perhaps
14:57.37Nash|327so odd
14:57.42Nash|327but cute
14:58.22Nash|327high on the 'nips
14:59.50Agoutione hell of a drug
15:01.12Agoutiis there a maximum stack on behaviours?
15:01.32Agoutior any reason to not have f.e. 100 stacks of a given simple behaviour
15:03.32Nash|327I use max 9
15:03.39Nash|327then a x10
15:03.43Nash|327and x100
15:03.56Agoutimmm
15:04.13Nash|327instead of 300 behaviors, only 3
15:04.27Nash|327299 would be 2+9+9
15:04.32Agoutiyes
15:04.43Agoutieasy if you are using triggers for something\
15:05.01AgoutiI've got one ability that works in a similar fashion
15:05.18Agoutijust wondering what sort of overhead there is
15:05.35Agoutias if the overhead for big behaviour stacks is smaller than using triggers
15:05.57Xaragothhttp://chzmemebase.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/memes-untitled12.jpg
15:05.58Xaragothso that's why
15:06.01Xaragothi knew it
15:06.19Agoutiwait what
15:06.25Agoutipeople are actually taking that seriously?
15:06.32Xaragothnaturally
15:06.38Xaragoththey take justin bieber for a good singer
15:06.40Xaragothso ...
15:07.51Agoutibtw nash
15:08.01Agoutikittuns gif is sad gif
15:08.14Agoutihttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CC_9aFuEkA
15:10.48ashamederg i hate hell
15:11.05AgoutiI hate people who whine about first world problems
15:11.08Agoutioh hi ashamed
15:12.10Nash|327I predict world ends next week
15:12.58Nash|327That comic is probably pretty accurate.
15:13.13Agoutior more to the point
15:13.24Agoutievery calendar must have a finish date
15:13.47Nash|327the calendar in my house ends in DECEMBER
15:13.53AgoutiOMGZ
15:13.54Nash|327endoftheworld
15:14.18Agoutithat is like 4 days after the birth of christ
15:14.21AgoutiCOINCIDENCE?!?
15:14.47Nash|327I guess some people expected Mayans to be able to make an infinite calendar.
15:15.03Nash|327But then they also expect them to be able to predict the end of the world.
15:15.11Agoutilolratpture
15:15.20Agouti*rapture
15:15.30Nash|327When people are not subject to logic there's no telling what they'll believe.
15:15.46Nash|327Religion is insidious.
15:16.04Nash|327Ignore logic, HAVE FAITH.
15:16.14Agoutiactually, you can't hate religion too much
15:16.28Nash|327Where does it end? How absurd things can people believe?
15:16.35Agoutithere is a lot of evidence to suggest we owe much of our advanced society to religion
15:16.41Agoutior at least
15:16.52Agoutibeing religous is what allowed ancient communities to exist
15:17.00Agoutithat is what makes it so funny
15:17.05Agoutiwe evolved to be religous ;)
15:17.39Nash|327Christianity has set the development of mankind back hundreds of years.
15:17.50Nash|327Kill all the scientists.
15:17.57Agoutiin the past
15:18.08Agouti(read up on this some time)
15:18.23Agoutireligion helped a lot
15:18.29Syltmanwhere do I edit the fog of a unit so that it blocks everything?
15:18.43Agoutihaving a immutable overlord who would punish you for anti-social behaviour
15:18.51Agoutinote the theme of all the sins
15:19.02Nash|327helps establish oppression?
15:19.09Agoutiwould of helped force cooperation between ancient peoples
15:19.27Agoutiyou only have to watch a show like survivor
15:19.38Agoutito see that everyone in the end is only going to lok out for themselves
15:19.46Agoutireligion in a way acted like the moral polics
15:19.49Agoutipolice*
15:20.00Agoutinote that
15:20.03AgoutiI did not say
15:20.06Agoutichristianity
15:20.07Nash|327people on those shows are narcissistic douches though
15:20.07AgoutiI said
15:20.10Agoutireligion
15:20.15Nash|327and not representative
15:20.50Agoutiriots?
15:21.10Agoutipeople are only a disaster away from acting like total animals
15:21.39AgoutiI find the way things are portrayed in most post-apocolyptic movies pretty true
15:21.50Agoutianyway
15:21.53Agoutiread up on it
15:22.01Agoutithe role of religion in ancient societies
15:22.07Nash|327So "people are irrational fucktards, let's feed them more irrationality"
15:22.13Nash|327Sounds great...
15:22.14Nash|327D_D
15:22.15Agoutinot quite
15:22.49Agoutithere has been a gene which has been been found to be linked to a persons religousness
15:22.52Agoutiinfact
15:22.56Agoutithe only trait
15:22.59Agoutithe only one
15:23.20Agoutiwhich is 100% guaranteed to be the same between identical twins
15:23.21Nash|327I know the role of religion. To let a few control the many and justify their own interests.
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15:23.32Agoutiis how relgious they are
15:23.43Agoutisexual preference, etc etc
15:23.46Agoutino
15:23.55Nash|327If you want to consider that fundamental to civilization then that's your view.
15:23.58Nash|327:/
15:24.06Agoutiit's not a view
15:24.18AgoutiI didn't say that, either
15:24.19AgoutiI said
15:24.28Agoutiit was very important to ancient civilizations
15:24.43Agoutiand it isn't an opinion, there is quite a bit of evidence to support it
15:24.59Agoutiobviously these days it's mute and void
15:25.16Agoutior at least, the religions we have are useless
15:25.24Agoutibut read up on it
15:25.31Agoutinote that I am an athiest
15:25.38Agoutias is everyone in my family
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15:26.07Agoutibut the pure fact that there is a gene which controls peoples aptitude to being religous suggests in itself that it was a survival trait at one point
15:26.36Nash|327When all the non.believers are killed, it becomes one.
15:26.48Agoutithat is a silly statement
15:26.51Agoutiand you know it
15:27.14Nash|327Oh so they didn't kill "heretics"?
15:27.15Agoutithe period over which entities like the church have had power is far too short for that sort of evolutionary pressure
15:27.31Nash|327Church, sure.
15:27.39Agoutias well as the demographic being far too small
15:28.16Nash|327evolution is slow
15:28.21Nash|327selective breeding is not
15:28.36Agoutithey are the same thing silly
15:28.43Agoutior rather, one is a subset of the other
15:28.56Agoutithe period over which I refer to is way before recorded history, regardless
15:29.08Agoutihundreds of thousands of years ago
15:29.21Agoutiwhen most human settlements existed as villages
15:29.33Agoutiwith little communication outside the immediate vicinity
15:29.55Agouticlearly once people started living in larger cities with police and governments
15:30.11Agoutithe benefits of religion faded fairly fast
15:30.29Nash|327Another theory is that the person who is afraid of everything, including sky dudes, ghosts etc, might survive based on pure paranoia.
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15:31.39Agoutihave you not wondered why every successful demographic of humanity, from europeans to native americans to aboriginals to africans
15:31.46Agoutihave had religion?
15:31.59Nash|327because they didn't know any better
15:32.12Agouti-_-
15:32.37Agoutiok nash, if you want to be so closed minded that is your choice
15:32.44Nash|327No explanation? Make one up!
15:32.58Agoutiathiesm and a hatred for religion seems almost religous for you
15:33.18Agoutitotal inability to consider outside, contradicting theories or evidence
15:33.29Agoutiquick to condemn those who disagree
15:33.35Agoutiand insult
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15:34.08Nash|327Because I don't believe feeding illogical nonsense to people is in order to establish oppression is necessary for the advancement of humanity?
15:34.46Agoutibecause you refuse to think or consider any alternative to you view
15:34.59Agoutiand use of such colorful terms only strengthens it
15:35.30Nash|327...
15:35.55Nash|327All you've said is pretty much "ancient civilizations needed religion, it's a fact!".
15:36.06Nash|327Well, FUCK those civilizations.
15:36.06Agoutiif that is the way you want to twist it
15:36.18Nash|327What would we have instead if there was no religion?
15:36.26Nash|327Something better maybe?
15:36.29Agoutimost likely not much
15:36.39Hatithere is no "no religion"
15:36.47Agoutireligion is a genetic trait
15:36.52hawkeryes
15:36.52Nash|327Well, see, I don't think oppression is required.
15:36.55Agoutithere is a gene sequence which controls it
15:37.03AgoutiDid I say oppression was required?
15:37.22AgoutiDid I say large entities whose sole quest for power was masked by religion were needed?
15:37.24AgoutiNo, I did not
15:37.34Agoutiyou added those in in an attempt to support your viewpoint
15:37.45Nash|327Well that's what religion is for.
15:37.47JademusSregI awaken.
15:38.01Agouticlearly entities like the church and it's behavior have little grounds in religion
15:38.01Agoutithey are not based on religion
15:38.12Agoutithey are just power hungry men like any other facist organization
15:38.23Agoutithe fact that they use religion as their tool is inconsequential
15:38.25HP-X|Arthashttp://it24.idg.se/2.2275/1.395383/onoff-begar-konkurs
15:38.28HP-X|Arthasfor the swedes :D
15:38.53Nash|327so?
15:38.55Nash|327D_D
15:39.20Nash|327ONOFF, careface
15:39.34HP-X|ArthasT.T
15:39.37Nash|327Link me kittuns.
15:39.48AgoutiI wonder if there is a gene which controls people being haters
15:39.49HP-X|Arthashttp://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=dead+kitten
15:39.51HP-X|Arthasthere you go
15:40.19HP-X|ArthasAgouti: probably
15:40.22HP-X|Arthas;p
15:40.35hawkerΩ
15:40.37JademusSregWhat sort of religion argument is this? Utility, meaning, ethics, empathy, expression, tradition, theodicy?
15:40.44AgoutiIt's hard to tell, nature vs nurture as it were
15:40.48Nash|327One I am tired of.
15:40.54JademusSregHaha
15:40.58hawkerDEBATES
15:41.03Nash|327Feel free to take over D_D
15:41.14Agoutiit was never intended as a debate
15:41.25AgoutiI merely presented an interesting piece of evidence
15:41.30Agoutiwhich nash attempted to discredit
15:41.43Nash|327Uh-huh.
15:41.58Agoutithe logic is... not strong with this one
15:42.16Nash|327And then double rainbows appeared!
15:42.51JademusSregHaha.
15:43.47hawkeragouti presented argument for utility
15:43.49hawkeri think
15:44.17Agoutireligion ultimately, or originally, acted like the invisible police force
15:44.27Agoutiwho would punish you for anti-social behaviour
15:44.44Agoutiso utility would be correct
15:44.54Nash|327This whole thing is based around the faulty claim that religion was necessary to establish civilization because ancient civilizations used to to establish their oppressive hegemonies.
15:45.06Agoutias with all things, people saw in it a tool to advance their own power
15:45.10Nash|327Because it was used does not mean civilization would not have existed otherwise.
15:45.28Nash|327Hence the flaw.
15:45.46Agoutisigh, nash, are you really unable to make the distinction between being religous and the religions that exist today?
15:45.49Nash|327Anything beyond that in this discussion is just irrelevant or restating things.
15:46.01Agoutifor example
15:46.06JademusSregComical how those reflecting upon the past use the concepts of their period. =D
15:46.13Agoutithe religion of the aboriginal people in no way oppresses anybody
15:46.16HP-X|Arthasreligion is a tool for starting pew pew wars?
15:46.19Agoutiin fact
15:46.27HP-X|Arthas-?+!
15:46.27Agoutiyou seem so blind that other religions could exist
15:46.34Agoutithat you lump everything in with christianity
15:47.02Agoutiplease, explain to me how Buddhism oppresses people
15:47.09Agoutior the religions of native americans
15:47.14Agoutior those of the amazon
15:48.09JademusSregIn Tibet, the Buddhist authorities oppress the peasant peoples, insofar as they are all required to harvest food and labor to the benefit of the religious caste.
15:48.11JademusSregpew pew
15:48.12Agoutiof course, that would assume that you had actually given any thought to it at all, instead of dismissing the concept out of hand and attempting to find justifications for your almost religous hatred of religions
15:48.54Agoutibuddhism is still well after the period I was referring to
15:48.57Agoutiwell done, though
15:49.03JademusSreg=D
15:49.33Agoutijust proves that religion is a very sucessful tool to power for many organizations ;)
15:50.07Agoutiof course, religion was also used to explain things that people couldn't understand at the time
15:50.11Agoutilike the seasons
15:50.39Agoutithe sun comes up every morning and goes down every evening
15:50.40Agoutiwhy?
15:50.43Agoutimust be magic
15:50.47Agouti<PROTECTED>
15:50.50Agoutitell others
15:50.51Agouti=
15:50.54Agoutireligion
15:51.48hawkerTRIGGERIN' TRIGGERIN'
15:51.49DeaodAgouti, thats still happening today.
15:51.50hawkerYEAH!
15:51.58hawkerTRIGGERIN' TRIGGERIN'
15:52.02hawkerYEAH!
15:52.33AgoutiI'm sure there will come a day when evolutionary pressure will see a recession in the religion gener
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15:52.52Agoutithough, not for the catholic church at least
15:53.08Agoutibirth control = satan clearly just a tool to keep attendance up
15:53.12Deaodnot until religions stop telling you to have as many children as possible
15:53.14Syltmanguys, where can I edit the fog so that a unit will hide everything behind it?
15:53.22Agoutiuse line of sight
15:53.29Agoutithe flag
15:53.36Agoutialso
15:53.52AgoutiI believe the footprint controls whether a unit blocks LOS
15:54.06Syltmanalright thanks
15:54.09vailrethi thought it was occlusion or something
15:54.10Agoutihave a look at the LoS blocker doodads
15:54.25Syltmanwell it needs to be via a unit
15:54.26JademusSregHaha
15:54.40Agoutiyes, but doodads are just units without a unit object
15:54.46Agoutiand the actor set to doodad
15:55.02JademusSregIf you want a model to turn transparent when the camera is close, set the Occlusion in the Model data.
15:55.11Agoutieverything you need to copy it is still there
15:55.16vailrethah so thats what that does...ok
15:55.17JademusSregIf you want something to block vision, you use a footprint that blocks sight.
15:55.26Agoutithere you go
15:55.52vailrethcan you use a LOS blocking foot print on a mobile unit though?
15:56.02Agoutimobile units cannot have footprints
15:56.37Syltmanwell it's a static unit
15:56.41vailrethah
15:56.47vailrethack be back in a sec
15:57.03SyltmanJademusSreg a footprint that blocks sight?
15:57.31JademusSregYeah, that's how sight blockers work.
15:57.36Agoutias I said
15:57.43JademusSregYes, as Aggy said.
15:57.47Agoutihave a look at the sight blocker doodads ;)
15:58.10AgoutiSir, I will thank you not to refer to my person in such a crass manner
15:58.17Agouti;o
15:58.21JademusSregHaha.
15:58.41Nash|327Stupid summer.
15:58.42Agoutireminds me, the remake of true grit isn't half bad
15:58.51Agoutidid prefer the original's ending
15:58.52Nash|327No good TV shows.
15:59.04Nash|327What should I watch now while eating D:?
15:59.16Agoutisomething that you could learn from, perhaps
15:59.20Agoutidiscovery channel?
15:59.37Nash|327careface
15:59.44Agoutimmhmm
16:00.31Nash|327Oh wait I have a movie to watch
16:01.12vailrethwell back to making validators
16:01.15HP-X|ArthasJademusSreg: how do you use the stone walls?
16:01.21HP-X|Arthasblack stone wall for example
16:01.21Nash|327Good, now I can eat before food gets cold :G
16:01.33vailrethday 4 of the great validator production run
16:01.38Agoutihaha
16:01.38hawkerwut r u b watching
16:01.46Agoutiso what do you need all these validators for
16:02.05JademusSregWalls are used as backgrounds, and they prevent monster spawning inside a structure.
16:02.26JademusSregThey must be placed beside another wall tile or beside/behind a wall.
16:02.32JademusSreg*block
16:02.33AgoutiI am quietly puzzled by that statement
16:02.41HP-X|Arthasah ok
16:02.50HP-X|Arthasthat explains why the evil eyes entered my bunker
16:03.01JademusSregYup.
16:03.03Agouti.__.
16:03.20vailrethwell i need validators that desigante what each target is.. then i need a valdiator that determines how many of a behavoir us stacked on a target and then i need a combine validator that adds the other two together
16:03.20Agoutiwhat is this wizardry you speak of
16:03.53AgoutiI'm sure you know what you are doing vail ^_^
16:04.03JademusSregAlso, zombies. But the demon eyes are more problematic. Zombies are slow and stupid.
16:04.16AgoutiThis sounds like quite the map
16:04.17Agoutias it were
16:04.21vailrethi do. this is just a enormus version of my  infest structure ability
16:04.29JademusSregDemon eyes have more life and are annoying and fast. =D
16:04.49AgoutiJademusSreg, have you ever experimented with high behaviour stack counts?
16:04.54Agoutias in, over 100
16:04.58Agoutiof a simple buff
16:05.10HP-X|ArthasJademusSreg: indeed
16:05.13HP-X|Arthasi dont like the eyes :p
16:05.29HP-X|Arthasbtw, is there any easy way to get ore
16:05.35HP-X|Arthassince it seems to be really rare
16:05.47JademusSregNo, Ago, I tend to use behaviors to very few stacks.
16:05.58vailrethWhy stack that high do you want to get a units power level....OVER 9000!?!
16:06.03JademusSregHP, yes, ore becomes more common the deeper underground you go.
16:06.16HP-X|Arthas"We need to go deeper" gotcha
16:06.23Agoutiwhy is this sounding like a SC2 version of minecraft
16:06.29HP-X|ArthasI found some weird snake creatures below my house
16:06.29JademusSregHaha.
16:06.38JademusSregAh, giant earthworms.
16:06.50HP-X|Arthaswhat are they doing in ma cave
16:06.51HP-X|Arthas:p
16:06.53JademusSregLow life, easy to kill, there just to annoy.
16:06.59AgoutiI don't suppose this map is published to NA for my viewing pleasure?
16:07.01JademusSregThey drop a rare item though.
16:07.17HP-X|Arthasah
16:07.19HP-X|Arthasalso
16:07.21JademusSregAgo, Terraria is on Steam, haha.
16:07.28Agoutioh, terraria
16:07.28HP-X|Arthasis the water found in the cave usable for something
16:07.37hawkerhmm
16:07.39Agouticarry on
16:07.45JademusSregI use water to fill the moats around my enormous tower.
16:07.49JademusSreg=D
16:07.54hawkeri am perturbed :|
16:07.54HP-X|Arthashow do you pick water up :p
16:07.58Agouti^ compensating ;)
16:08.04hawkerzarakk could not import troll models from wow for some reason
16:08.04HP-X|Arthasand where do i get awesome teleporting mirror
16:08.06JademusSregYou need an Empty Bucket.
16:08.09hawker;G
16:08.09HP-X|Arthasaight
16:08.20JademusSregAgo, who's being crass now?
16:08.27AgoutiCertainly not I
16:08.34JademusSregI justl ike building shit. =D
16:08.39HP-X|Arthasi read perturbed as masturbating
16:08.41HP-X|Arthasyay for me
16:08.46JademusSregI've been contructing a highway across the entire top of the map.
16:08.55HP-X|Arthashahaha
16:08.56Agoutithough having said that I may or may not have built a huge tower in minecraft recently
16:08.57HP-X|Arthasnice
16:09.18JademusSregA tower that hits the map bounds at the top, and a express route that drops down into the dark earth.
16:09.25JademusSregGood times.
16:09.36vailrethi like the buildcraft mod and its automated quary item so nice..
16:09.42Agoutiactually, JademusSreg, you might know this: is there a triggerless way to deal damage to a unit based on the vitals of another unit?
16:09.46hawkergj arthas
16:09.48hawker:P
16:09.58HP-X|Arthasexpress route?
16:10.03HP-X|Arthasie a deep deep hole?
16:10.26vailreththere is a long large roundabout  way ...
16:10.34vailrethto do that in data..
16:10.36JademusSregAgo, not really, unless you like doing massive convoluted data using buffs to count.
16:10.56JademusSregHP, yes, I call it the Underdark Express Shaft.
16:11.08HP-X|Arthassoooo
16:11.11HP-X|Arthashow do you get up again
16:11.12HP-X|Arthas:p
16:11.20HP-X|Arthasoh, nvm. there is a mirrior somewhere!
16:11.33Agoutithe great underground underground
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16:11.39Agoutiif anybody gets the reference
16:11.39JademusSregI'll host my map and you can visit my place, if you want.
16:11.44HP-X|Arthassure :D
16:11.58Stewoxhello
16:12.02Stewoxjademus
16:12.12Stewoxdo you know why my regions don't save
16:12.16Stewoxfound a bug
16:12.30Stewoxi merge extremely a lot of regions , and then save
16:12.42Stewoxwhen i re-load the map, only 10% of regions exist
16:12.44HP-X|Arthasbtw, is it possible to chat in terraria?
16:13.20JademusSregYes.
16:13.23Stewoxi have over 300+ regions
16:13.28Stewoxan i merge them all into one
16:13.43Stewoxso about 400 circles/rentangles in one region
16:13.44JademusSregStew, that is an odd bug.
16:13.52JademusSregThere might be a shape limit.
16:14.05Stewoxwhen i TEST the map it works fine
16:14.18Stewoxbut i saved it many times and tried also backups
16:14.33Stewoxeverything else is fine , triggers ,data, only placed regions get deleted
16:14.56Stewoxfrom 400+ down to 48
16:15.18Stewoxand it still preserves it's name, just the stuff that i merged is gone
16:15.44Stewoxnow i tested to add only one more region and merge it , and saved ,re loaded , and i did work
16:16.09Stewoxi am beginning to think that if you merge A LOT of regions all at once it does this
16:16.11Agoutistewox, there are known problems for regions created from a large number of shapes
16:16.24Agoutiit is outside the bounds of the engine I believe
16:16.49Stewoxi might test this further to see if there's a bug-limit of how much regions can be merged simultaneously before it all invalids after re-load
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16:17.45Stewoxregion editor is crappy too
16:17.46burne-o mama
16:18.17Stewoxcan't add more circles to the same region very fast, need to MAKE IT, then EDIT it ... nobody has time to do 400 of them like this
16:18.30Agoutihow I wish blizzard had finished the editor documentation
16:18.40Agoutihow am I supposed to know what all these flags do
16:19.24Stewoxmhm
16:19.44Syltmanhmm it seems like it doesn't really block sight completely when you add a Line of sight footprint as you can see what's behind it
16:19.48Stewoxi mean ... they really don't like seriousl work on it
16:19.56Stewoxi think they have 8 hour shifts
16:20.28Stewoxthey ain't doing anthiny with programmers , the game's unoptimized , buggy , editor ,... i can go on for hours
16:20.33Agoutif.e.
16:20.35Agoutiwhat does
16:20.43AgoutiEffect - Preserve on Transfer Behaviour do?
16:21.23Stewoxit preserves something when transferred to another unit ... what exactly , idk
16:23.26Syltmanif you walk right up next to it you will be able to tell what's behind it slightly
16:23.41AgoutiNash|327, another kittun just for you
16:23.42Agoutihttp://i.imgur.com/MYH9B.jpg
16:26.50Deaodthats not a cat.
16:26.58Deaodwell
16:27.26Syltmanor well I need everything to be completely masked behind it
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16:27.29Agoutiit is a kitten
16:27.38Agoutiof course, a baby rabbit is also a kitten
16:27.47Agoutibut that is beside the point ;)
16:28.16Agoutialso tigers are cats, I thought
16:28.22Agoutinot domestic cats
16:28.25Agoutibut cats nonetheless
16:32.01hawker*kittun
16:34.45Agoutidamage responses will only ever fire once per damage effect, won't they
16:35.50vailrethim going to make that ability
16:35.55vailrethjust for the hell of it
16:36.10Agoutiwhich?
16:36.47vailrethnot sure what to call it yet but it will cocoon civ and colonist females and after a few  second they will pop and release a larva
16:37.20vailrethproblem is zerg larva are almost the same size as a civilian
16:37.46AgoutiScale is your friend?
16:37.51vailrethyeah
16:37.59IDEATHagouti: what shoould I look up for basic bevior knowledge again?
16:38.15Agoutieither poke through the editors existing examples
16:38.58IDEATHexisting examples? that start up at the beggining?
16:39.47Agoutijust open up the data editor
16:39.53Agoutiand behavior
16:40.00AgoutiI'm trying to find a good tute
16:41.32Agoutiweirdly, I can't find one
16:41.36Agoutihowever have a read of
16:41.37Agoutihttp://wiki.sc2mapster.com/galaxy/data/behaviors/buff/
16:41.46Agoutithe wiki is a valuable tool
16:42.04AgoutiI learnt primarily through seeing how Blizzard had built abilities
16:42.20Agoutilike "I wonder how phoenix grav beam works?"
16:42.40hawkeru r want cat?
16:42.52Agoutinot another one
16:42.53Agoutifanks
16:43.08IDEATHyeah i know exactly what you mean
16:43.41IDEATHI bet that alone taught you a LOT, right?
16:45.37Agoutithat and pulling apart other maps
16:45.39Agoutibut yes
16:46.00Agoutimost of the time when I find something and go "what does this do?" and a quick search on sc2mapster reveals nothing
16:46.03IDEATHi'll definatly start looking into that
16:46.06Agoutilook for existing examples
16:46.14Agoutiback to your original problem
16:46.18IDEATHok
16:46.29Agoutiwhich was, if I recall, when a particular unit dies
16:46.37Agoutispawn something after a delay
16:46.41Agouticorrect?
16:47.20IDEATHyeah, i've done that before and it does work. the only problem is sometimes there isnt an existing thing like that. or I just cant think of the map that has it, ya know?
16:47.42Agoutiyeah, that one is a mite tricky in some respects
16:47.47Agoutithere are a range of ways to do it
16:48.03IDEATHyeah, but i got THAT to work fine. Now I need to get the unit to follow the (killing unit)
16:48.14Agoutione way is through damage response to trigger the effect
16:48.19Agoutiusing the Fatal flag
16:48.28Agoutiso that gives you your "unit dies" event
16:48.34Agoutithen the next part, the delay
16:48.47Agouticould be achieved with a persistent effect
16:49.02Agoutithe final part, spawning a unit, is fairly trivial
16:49.06IDEATHi think i know what you mean yeah
16:49.10Agoutithere are plenty of examples of that
16:49.44Agoutihowever if a wide range of units need to use this effect
16:49.51Agoutiyou may need to do it through triggers
16:50.04vailrethwhat is who trying to do?
16:50.12IDEATHlol
16:50.12IDEATHme
16:50.33IDEATHit takes a while to explain
16:50.35Agoutithe following the killing unit part
16:51.21IDEATHyeah I WAS wondering how to make this trigger work with a wider range of units. Like, working with %
16:51.25Agoutiwould be done through the Spawn - Effect on the Spawn Unit Effect
16:51.37Agoutiand an Order Unit effect
16:51.55IDEATHwith behaviors or triggers?
16:52.05AgoutiI'm still talking data
16:52.11Agoutibut this is getting into tricky stuff
16:52.13Agoutithe issue would be setting it up such that you could reference the killing unit
16:52.32Agoutiwhich means having the effects run such that the killing unit is the "caster"
16:52.38Agoutiso you can have on the spawn effect
16:52.49Agoutiorder target unit (the spawned unit) to follow caster
16:53.03IDEATHEXACTLY
16:53.07Agoutihowever it may be that triggers is a far more practical way of building this
16:53.09vailrethwould it be source or caster of the the killing damage effect?
16:53.10IDEATHthats exactly what i need
16:53.21Agoutione of the 2 vailreth
16:53.40IDEATHand I dont mind it getting tricky, this map will be EXTREMELY complex, later...
16:53.40Agoutithe easiest way to set up that sort of thing
16:54.04Agoutiis probably to bounce back to the killing unit right at the start
16:54.18Agoutiby applying a behaviour to the killing unit in the damage response
16:54.50Agoutithen have that behaviour cast the persistent effect which leads to the unit being spawned
16:55.17Agoutithat would give you your caster/source to order the follow on
16:55.40Agoutihowever I'm not sure how you would make the unit then spawn back where it died
16:56.03Nash|327bag 3 kittuns
16:56.18Agouticheetah kittuns
16:56.20Agoutitake home
16:56.22Agoutilove forever
16:56.35Nash|327yas
16:58.17IDEATHwell that's not exactly what I want there, I want the unit to die after a certain amount of time after the spawn, but to always follow untill then
16:58.19Agoutione way to find the killing unit is a marker applied by the damage response and a search to find it
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16:58.33TriceronAhoy mateys
16:58.52Agoutiideath, explain from the top exactly what needs to happen please
16:59.17AgoutiBy chance would the broodlings from the broodlord be worth looking at for you?
17:02.47IDEATHactually i have been suggested that
17:03.04IDEATHBUT, this trigger works perfectly for attacking
17:03.16IDEATHnot following though for some reason
17:05.45IDEATHok, let me try to explain every bit of it...
17:10.19IDEATHWhen my hero goes by this building, the player with the hero can choose to attack the building(working), When he kills the building it spawns a unit that is on the killing unis side(working), I want the unit to then FOLLOW the killing unit(NOT working), The unit attacks any enemy of the killing unit that is in the killing units range(should work after follow command issue), Then the spawned unit times-out and dies after a certain am
17:11.01Agoutiok, that is nothing like what I thought you wanted
17:11.14IDEATHAfter a certain amount of time the building respawns(working)
17:11.15Agoutiyou are doing it in triggers correct?
17:11.23IDEATHyes
17:11.29Nash|327kittuns
17:11.47Agoutiyou have tried Issue Order ?
17:12.01Agoutinoting that the unit itself cannot be uncommandable
17:12.02IDEATHwhere do I apply that?
17:12.12IDEATHOH RIGHT
17:12.20IDEATHthe unit will be uncommandable
17:12.21Agoutithat is the action you need to use to order the unit to follow
17:12.32IDEATHok
17:12.34Agoutiinstead of uncommandable
17:12.42Agoutisimply make in Unselectable
17:12.50Agoutiit*
17:13.02Agoutithat way they can't select it to issue it an order ;)
17:13.17Agoutiif that is no good
17:13.18IDEATHthats what i mean
17:13.38Agoutiif they need to be able to select it, but not issue a move order to it
17:13.38IDEATHno, unselectable is fine.
17:13.42Agoutiok
17:13.51IDEATHactually...
17:13.57IDEATHthat MIGHT be better
17:14.06Agoutiwell if that is the case
17:14.14Agoutian no guarantees this will work
17:14.22Agoutiyou will need to duplicate the Move ability
17:14.35Agoutiand turn of smart cast (so they can't right click to issue a move order)
17:14.38Agoutisame for attack
17:14.51IDEATHok
17:14.54Agoutiand give both abilities to the unit without adding command card buttons
17:15.01Agoutibut I'm not sure how that will go
17:15.04Agoutiit may not work
17:15.15Agoutiif Unselectable is good enough then use that
17:15.24Agouti(I believe that is how broodlings work)
17:16.05Agoutias for getting the following units combat AI right
17:16.13Agoutithat will be a fair bit of playing around I suspect
17:16.40burne-lol
17:16.45burne-Now its on tv too
17:16.52Agoutiit?
17:17.01IDEATHok thats fine brb
17:17.03burne-the fucking "DUM DU DUM DUM DU DUM" DIESEEEEEEEEEL commercial
17:17.07burne-the one from youtube
17:17.12Agoutithe which?
17:18.15Agoutinever mind, I have to go
17:18.25Agoutifare-thee-well all
17:18.45Agouticatch you tomorrow for another exciting episode
17:18.49IDEATHaww... =(
17:18.54IDEATHlol
17:18.56Agoutisorry
17:19.04IDEATHok well THANKS FOR ALL THE HELP!
17:19.16AgoutiI don't know how you will get the AI right for your little pet anyway
17:19.20Agoutior your heroes pet
17:19.32Agoutiperhaps a periodic checking how far away it is
17:19.33IDEATHhaha, yeah
17:19.39Agoutior perhaps a Wander behaviour
17:19.42AgoutiI don't know
17:19.50IDEATHit will probably work the same way with pet's too
17:19.55hawkerHow hard will it be to create water units?
17:19.59IDEATHso this will be useful later
17:20.12Agoutidifficult but not impossible I believe Hawker
17:20.15IDEATHwater units?
17:20.21hawkeryes
17:20.23hawkerusing a wow model
17:20.31Agoutiproviding you only have water on the bottom level cliff
17:20.38Agoutiat least you can path them
17:20.38IDEATHoh like a water element that walks on land?
17:20.55hawkerno, like a plesiosaur
17:20.56hawker:D
17:21.00Agoutibut in terms of interacting with water it will all have to be a dirty hack
17:21.02AgoutiI would say
17:21.06IDEATHlol
17:21.10hawkeri suspected as such
17:21.20hawkeri suspect the whole affair will be rather annoying
17:21.25Agoutimmhmm
17:21.36Agoutisomeone made a map with water stuff
17:21.41Agoutihave a browse through sc2mapster
17:21.49Agoutilaters
17:22.00Agoutioh, before I go
17:22.08Agoutiif you really get nowhere with your AI ideath
17:22.21Agoutiperhaps having it set up like carriers and interceptors might be a last resort
17:22.39Agoutiand with that horrifying prospect, I must depart
17:22.42Agoutipew pew
17:22.43IDEATHyeah that might work
17:22.51hawkermaking a thread: another desperate idea
17:22.51IDEATHlol
17:22.56IDEATHcya man
17:26.16vailrethspent the last thirty or so minutes setting up one effect ...i hope this ability is worth all fo this in the end
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17:28.47Nash|327Kittuns, hug them, hug them, HUG THEM!
17:29.51hawkertriggering is so sooooooothing
17:29.58hawkerunlike data editing
17:30.16hawkernash, i'm going to attempt le msn again
17:31.17hawkerhttp://forums.sc2mapster.com/general/general-chat/23365-blizz-region-linking-na-and-la-eu-and-rus-tw-and-kr/#p2
17:31.22hawkerunexpected, blizzard
17:31.26hawkerstep in the right direction
17:31.29hawkermb
17:36.31ashamedYes
17:36.32ashamednash
17:36.38ashamedyou are going to have to show me your map now :P
17:37.50ashamedoh nvm
17:38.41ashamedit just adding us to ><  latin
17:38.45Nash|327D_D
17:38.45ashamedi dont know one latin region map maker
17:38.46ashamedw/e
17:39.02Nash|327hawker will have to show you the map
17:39.05ashamedthey almost had it ><
17:39.21ashamedEU and NA needs to be linked :(
17:39.32ashamedi feel like i know more EU people then NA people anyways
17:40.39hawkerpeople in taiwan are not happy right know i feel
17:40.51hawker;p
17:41.00hawkernash, something is WRONG WITH MAH MESSENGER
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17:41.09Nash|327indeed
17:41.13DresniaI WAS TOLD TOO PESTER
17:41.22Nash|327Yes.
17:41.23hawkeri downloaded it
17:41.24hawkerbut
17:41.29hawkerNO CAN LOG ON
17:41.33Nash|327directs Dresnia at hawker
17:41.37Nash|327pester away
17:41.38hawkero hi
17:41.41Dresniahawker back too work
17:41.41ashamederg stupid blizzard
17:41.42Dresniazug zug
17:41.47ashamedi saw that link and i was fucking excited
17:41.55ashamedbut it honestly does not help the map making community at all :(
17:42.07ashamedit just making it so there are more games in the pull for melee
17:42.13hawkeri just starting laughing uncontrollably when i read zug zug
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17:42.35Nash|327more work?
17:42.38Nash|327zug zug
17:42.39hawkeri jus wan mah messerger to work
17:42.42Nash|327gro-duk
17:43.24Nash|327Yes, so Dresnia can pester you more
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17:43.44hawkerTHE PASSWORD ISN'T WRONG, YOU INTOLERABLE IM SERVICE
17:43.49hawkerAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
17:44.00Nash|327and whatever terrainers talk about
17:44.02hawker0_____________________0
17:44.12Nash|327doodads and thingamajigs
17:44.25hawkerthis is the hardest i've been trolled in aeons
17:44.43ashamedi fnally got my overall experiance dialog working perfect :)
17:44.46DresniaNash|327's face when : http://images.4chan.org/b/src/1310406203765.jpg
17:44.48Dresniahahaahah
17:44.50Dresniame so funny
17:44.54Dresniame laugh u long timez
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17:45.44Nash|327Kittuns! I just want to hug them all!
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17:48.01Dresniaportal 2 nao
17:48.02Dresniattyl
17:48.19hawkerHOW IS THIS EVEN POSSIBLE
17:48.41Nash|327D:
17:49.22Nash|327WHAT IS THIS I DON'T EVEN
17:49.46Nash|327you accidentally the whole MSN
17:50.58ashameddoes anyone here know how to use the blizzard signature for the bank?
17:51.12ashamedi added it to my bank file but it does not protect the file at all lo
17:51.13ashamedlol*
17:51.48Nash|327I guess you don't check if it's verified?
17:51.57Nash|327It's not like it prevents editing.
17:52.19hawkeri accidently messenger
17:52.21Nash|327It just lets you check if bank has been modified :G
17:52.44Nash|327Then what you do is up to you.
17:52.56Nash|327Me, I delete EVERYTHING in the bank.
17:53.02hawkerk, reinstamalling
17:53.21Nash|327So if you hack your bank, you lose all your data.
17:53.30ashamedoh nash i just found it
17:53.34ashamedas a condition
17:53.45ashamedso verify it first and then load it?
17:53.51ashamedoH i see how to do it
17:53.51Nash|327no
17:53.54ashamedi load it and then verify
17:53.58ashamedand then load the values into the map
17:54.17ashamedi will mess with it when i get home
17:54.29Nash|327if not verified you need to decide what you want happen
17:54.45ashamedas long as i can keep 99% of people off my bank file
17:54.50ashamedthen i wont care
17:54.57ashamedyeah i think i get it
17:55.00ashamedi will check it out ty nash
17:55.05Nash|327I decided against kicking people out of game.
17:55.12ashamedyeah... i may
17:55.18ashamedadd them to a bank list
17:55.23ashamedwhere it adds it to everyones bank file
17:55.24ashamedlol
17:55.25hawkerhttp://www.techsupportforum.com/forums/f58/msn-messenger-wont-let-me-sign-in-please-help-me-44734.html
17:55.28hawkerthat's mah problem
17:55.32ashamedso deleting your file wont do you anygood
17:55.36hawkeri wonder if they fixed it
17:55.45Nash|327Someone who is totally noob may get a corrupted bank file.
17:55.54Nash|327Files can get corrupted after all.
17:56.03Nash|327Then that person joins and keeps being kicked.
17:56.04ashamedmby add a check system
17:56.10ashamedwhere they have 3 checks
17:56.11ashamedand then gone
17:56.13Nash|327And doesn't know wtf is going on.
17:56.17hawkerjmmm
17:56.20hawkerwill check wall of fire
17:56.24ashamedthat should also protect you against people trying to hack the system
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17:56.33ashamedbecuase they will only get 3 tests before they can't play anymore :(
17:56.40ashamedor can't play online
17:56.48Nash|327Well what if that random noob joins 3 times
17:56.56Nash|327wondering why he's getting kicked
17:57.18Nash|327many people have no clue how banks work
17:57.26Nash|327they won't delete a faulty bank
17:57.27Dresniathey steal ur moneyz !
17:57.34Nash|327they don't know where to find it
17:57.35ashamednash
17:57.38ashamedat that fucking point
17:57.42ashamedyou tell them wahts going on
17:57.46ashamedand then replace their bank file
17:57.47ashamedwith a new one
17:57.52ashamedand then kick em
17:57.52ashamedor w/e
17:57.56Dustinhttp://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/3085760#c-2794701263
17:58.10ashamedsay either your file is corrupted or you are trying to change your data
17:58.21ashamedgiving new bank file to fix corruption
17:58.35Nash|327I just do that first time.
17:58.48Nash|327bank not verified, delete everything in it
17:59.01ashamedyeah for sure
17:59.07ashamedi see whast you mean though.. why try to stop the hackers
17:59.11Brainshacknew ladder season?
17:59.12Brainshackoh noes
17:59.14Brainshack:(
17:59.17ashamedas long as 99% of the games you join is legit
17:59.20ashamedthen that is good for me
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18:00.25Nash|327noob hackers who just open their bank and edit shit will learn their lesson
18:00.35Nash|327everything got deleted, start over
18:00.50ashamedyeah for sure nash
18:00.55ashamedand the peole that are not noobs
18:00.59ashamedwill just get over the hash
18:01.02ashamedand figure it out
18:01.21Nash|327I also check if entered data is valid
18:01.27ashamedbut i did read that hackers are hacking hard time figuring it out
18:01.31Nash|327and delete any heroes that are not
18:01.51Nash|327so if you get around bank signature you can't make an uberhacked hero
18:01.54ashamedbut it works perfectly right nash.. it pulls info for everything right
18:02.11IDEATHOMG
18:02.12ashamedstrings, in the bank file... and then info about you yourself too so you cant give the file away
18:02.23IDEATHit WORKS
18:02.29Nash|327nothing is unhackable
18:02.33IDEATHbut only after the building respawns...
18:02.47IDEATHnot entirely true...
18:02.49ashamednope
18:02.52ashamedif sc2 can be backed
18:02.52Nash|327but it uses some sort of hash of file, player name and map name
18:03.03ashamedi dont udnerstand why people think they can protect their maps from being hackd
18:03.15ashamednash its not just player name and map name
18:03.24ashamedit would also have to be all the strings within your file too
18:03.38Nash|327I said hash of file
18:03.40Nash|327D_D
18:04.44IDEATHo.o
18:05.12Nash|327only unbreakablr cypher is one time pad
18:05.17Nash|327;G
18:05.18ashamedthe good thing about blizzards hash. next to your own.. is some hacker can't hack your map and open it
18:05.22ashamedand then figure out hwo yo creasted it
18:05.53IDEATHwtf are you talking about?
18:06.00IDEATHpeople hack into blizzard for MAPS?
18:06.02ashamedBlizzards signature
18:06.16ashamed........... no but people can hack your locked map
18:06.17ashamedand open it
18:06.25Nash|327Grown ups are talking, IDEATH, go watch your cartoons.
18:06.32IDEATHgay...
18:06.51IDEATHLOL, fuck off Nash
18:06.55DresniaIDEATH I ALREADY TOLD YOU GET THE FUCK OUT OF OUR INTERWEBZ
18:06.56ashamedlol
18:06.57IDEATHjk jk
18:07.03DustinOwned
18:07.04ashamedNOW IDEATH
18:07.08ashamedTHIS IS OUR INTERWEBZ
18:07.11ashamedWE HAVE CLAIMED DOMAIN
18:07.25IDEATHomg! O_o
18:07.34IDEATHWHAT THE FUCK!?
18:07.57ashamedi have been messing aroudn with ltos of dialogs latly
18:08.04ashamedthey are pretty neat and easy to use :)
18:08.16Nash|327There comes a time, when a man must make his stand... To stake his claim and fight for his piece of interwebs.
18:08.18ashamedi have my hero creation / random creator, and spawner all dialoged
18:08.24IDEATHWhy is everyone ganging up on ME?
18:08.34ashamedi dunno they kinda started it
18:08.39ashamedso i figured why not be a bully
18:08.39IDEATHlol
18:08.51IDEATHbecause it's retarded bulshit?
18:08.55ashamedi am just a mindless zombie that can't make any decisions of my own
18:08.58IDEATHyes... thats it...
18:09.04IDEATH-_-
18:09.08ashamedso FU IDEATH
18:09.20IDEATHlol
18:09.20Nash|327A puppet with a hand up your ass?
18:09.25IDEATHNEVER!
18:09.27IDEATHMWHAHAHAHAHAHAA
18:09.33ashamedonly if it was yours nash
18:09.40IDEATHeww
18:09.41Nash|327D_D
18:09.47ashamed^^
18:11.11Nash|327hug every kittun
18:15.24hawkerputs nash's kittun in bag
18:16.20Nash|327kittunbag, transform and roll out :G
18:17.02hawker:?
18:20.46Nash|327maybe it's more like power rangers
18:21.00Nash|327kittun and bag combines into KITTUNBAG
18:22.29hawkerKITTUNBAG USES TEEH OF ONE THOUSAND SHADOWS
18:22.34hawkerIT"S SUPER EFFECTIVE!
18:24.51Nash|327teeh?
18:26.06Nash|327stupid MSN
18:27.41Triceroncrush them kittunz
18:29.16Nash|327tired...
18:29.45ashamedyou think a saved xp / perk system for a mass game would work
18:29.46ashamed??
18:29.51ashamedi am talking about small perks
18:29.52Mexa|Zughttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4atoTU-vwE ocremix :D
18:30.12ashamedlike when stealth unit is being detected get an extra 5 seconds of time before being detected
18:32.07hawkerZUG ZUG
18:32.14Mexa|Zug^
18:34.22Nash|327sleep sleep
18:35.37Mexa|Zug"We're pleased to announce StarCraft II region linking, an exciting upcoming change  that will connect a number of StarCraft II communities around the world for multiplayer matchmaking and communication purposes. In conjunction with the start of Season 3, we’ll be linking the European and Russian StarCraft II communities together; North America and Latin America will also be linked
18:35.37Mexa|Zugtogether, as will Korea and Taiwan."
18:35.45Mexa|ZugI guess that's a start ;v
18:35.49hawkerLITTLE BIT LATE MEXA
18:35.55hawkerLOOK WHO'S LATE TO THE PARTY
18:35.59hawkerOH, IT'S MEXA
18:36.03Mexa|Zugonly 2½h late ;O
18:36.15hawkerTHAT IS WHO IS LATE TO THE SOCIAL FUNCTION KNOWN AS A PARTY
18:36.34Mexa|Zuga party?
18:36.37Mexa|ZugIn whose honor?
18:45.21burne-nash
18:45.29burne-you should go to mapcraft
18:45.32burne-i would watch it
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19:22.59Mexa|Zughm
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19:49.02ashamedWhat kind bonus can i give to the player for a mass game ( Like extra minerals per kill )
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19:59.56hawkerextra minerals per kill?
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20:57.24Vail|Campaignbah i cant come up with any good lines for this hero
20:58.26slightlyrandomLines?
20:58.47Vaili am working on developing voice work for a hero
20:58.51slightlyrandomAight
20:59.00slightlyrandomLay it down
20:59.03slightlyrandomWho is this person
20:59.40Vailthe hero is infestor based and uses infested terrans self constructing creep tumors and vairous viruses ...
21:00.43slightlyrandomSo, a corruption theme
21:00.51slightlyrandomSpoiling that which is good
21:02.01ashamedMake him say this... I WILL INFEST YOUR BALLS
21:02.12slightlyrandomYour balls, shall fall...
21:02.49slightlyrandomRead Gormenghast, that should get you in the mood
21:02.57slightlyrandomOr some Lovecraft
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21:05.55Vaili was thinking of retooling some of the quotes from the Virus unit from Red Alert 2 Yuris Revenge.
21:07.36slightlyrandomSo, to clarify, are you looking for existing voicework to steal, or lines to record ?
21:11.41Vaili am looking for inspiration for lines to record i dont want to steal the original just make a few lines close enough that those in the know would catch it as a refrence
21:11.55slightlyrandomah
21:12.21slightlyrandomYou could go with a 'purifying' theme
21:13.06Vaili was thinking a biological weapon james bond sorta thing...
21:13.09slightlyrandomCleansing with disease and infection, sort of deal
21:13.16Vailhm
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21:13.31VailFor Queen and Hive...
21:13.32slightlyrandomThat just sort of appeals to me :P
21:13.35slightlyrandomHaha
21:13.42Cazla la la
21:14.03slightlyrandomThey can be combined
21:14.15slightlyrandomI like the righteous, doing the right thing despite obviously being wrong
21:15.05Currydevilthe virus was the one that spread the green stuff yes?
21:15.07Currydevilor was that another unit?
21:15.24Currydevileither way, one of them said "scorched earth"
21:19.07Vailvirus had bullets that poped infantry and left green clouds
21:19.13Vailpopped*
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21:19.35Vaili think the desolator said scorched earth..
21:22.09Cirionhi@all, someon here who could help we with a data editor problem regarding the PDD?
21:22.18Vailok
21:22.28Vailwhat is the issue?
21:22.57Cirionmom typing ;)
21:24.19Cirioni added the pdd as carrier hangar unit. now it does only kill incoming missiles if i order the unit with the hangar ability to stop (regardless what the unit does afterwards)...if i let it attack or move or whatever it wont do anything until i hit the stop button of the unit
21:25.01slightlyrandomYou need to set it's abilities to be allowed to be used on the move
21:25.12slightlyrandom(assuming I read that right)
21:25.41Cirionmom trying ;)
21:26.26Hati1.3.5 on ptr
21:30.21Cirionwell...i think the carrier - hangar ability has no flag to allow movement...at least i think so?
21:31.06slightlyrandomSo, you stick a unit into a unit's hangar
21:31.19slightlyrandomand want the first unit to be able to use it's abilities while in there?
21:33.44Cirione.g.: instead of an interceptor a pdd should start. (i flagged "external", but i dont think it does matter?) and as far as i know the interceptors do also start when a carrier just ends its movement without me hitting the "Stop" button
21:34.03Cirioni'll try to rephrase my problem
21:34.25slightlyrandomAre you having it launch Point Defense Drones?
21:34.29slightlyrandomOr what
21:36.48Cirionit shouldn't launch the PDD, the PDD should "fly around it"...it read a tutorial @sc2mapster "hero party" and tried to used this ability for a single pdd which flys around a tank.
21:36.58slightlyrandomaha
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21:38.42slightlyrandomAnd if the unit the PDD is orbiting moves, the PDD doesn't use it's abilities?
21:40.20Cirionright. after i send the tank unit somewhere (the tank with the "hangar" for the pdd) the pdd just idles behind the tank, even it the tank is attacked or attacks something. if i hit the "stop" button of the tank the pdd uses its ability again
21:41.17slightlyrandomCheck the PDD's abilties, see if they are castable on the move
21:41.46slightlyrandomIf that doesn't do it, I think I'd have to see that tutorial to see how the PDD is made to follow the tank
21:43.18Cirionthe tutorial is really easy...http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/ability-hero-party/ (and with really easy i mean my little sis would be able to use it ;)) i'll check the ability
21:45.47Cirionthe pdd doesn't have any abilities... it uses only it's weapon.... :-/
21:45.58slightlyrandomAh
21:46.04slightlyrandomThere you go, then
21:46.25slightlyrandomThat probably defaults to only being fireable while stationary
21:46.29slightlyrandomChange that
21:46.52slightlyrandom(Use Pheonix for reference, if in doubt)
21:48.56Cirion*testing*
21:52.25Cirionthe weapon was set to "allow movement - none" ... but allow movement -  moving doesn't have any impact on the problem :-/ ... *checking if Phoenix has something else different...
21:52.51slightlyrandom(shift click is awesome)
21:54.49Cirionyou're my hero ;) didn't know that :D
21:55.11slightlyrandomMakes stealing work from Blizzard so much simpler
22:00.05Cirionhmm there are some minor differences, but i don't think they cause the problem (e.g. weapons option "hidden", stats like backswing etc...)
22:00.42slightlyrandomYou can test it by making a non-tethered PDD and seeing if it can shoot down missiles while moving
22:08.45Cirionokay...it shows the same ... "stop" requirement...:-/...is it possible that the pdd weapon effect is ... different from other weapon effects?
22:09.03slightlyrandomUnlikely
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22:13.54Cirionits just...the pdd weapon with its behavior, validator etc. seems a little bit more complicated then most weapons :D
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22:19.43Cirionis there a possibility to debug those things? e.g. get what effects are triggered etc?
22:20.13slightlyrandomThe debug functionality in starcraft are fairly limited
22:20.31slightlyrandomBut
22:21.21slightlyrandomMeh, it seems you've found your problem
22:21.53slightlyrandomI'd guess most of the complications are from the weapon requiring energy to fire, and it only being able to shoot at missiles
22:21.59slightlyrandomAnd which missiles it can hit
22:22.12slightlyrandomThat shouldn't affect whether or not it can shoot while moving
22:23.46Cirionthink so too, it should be able to fire regardless of it's costs...but it still doesn't
22:24.26Vaili have a simple question: how do you enable the PDD to move on its own?
22:24.33slightlyrandomGive it movement
22:24.38slightlyrandomIe. speed
22:25.34Vaili did it still says unit can not handle that
22:25.49slightlyrandomeh?
22:26.04Cirionyes i encountered that too
22:27.09Vailsays no units can handle that command
22:27.41Ciriongive it the move ability
22:27.51Cirionand the speed
22:27.58Cirionit should be able to do it then
22:28.02Vailit has both
22:28.50Cirionacceleartion?
22:29.52Vaili forgot those fields
22:29.56Cirionhmm... i just rebuild it in a new empty map an somehow it now shoots while moving
22:30.10Cirioni'll try if my problem is fixed..^^
22:31.01Vailah
22:33.15Cirionhmm it now shoots while moving...but still doesn't work with the hangar ability correct :-/
22:33.36slightlyrandomStrangest thing
22:34.46Cirionis there a possibility to force the "stop" ability before attacking sth?
22:35.27Cirion(even if the idle unit is attacked and no attack order is given previously?)
22:46.34Brainshackm , shift + s, shift + a
22:46.46ashamedlike 45 minutes left of hell
22:46.47ashamedFUCK HELL
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22:49.07Cirion@sligthlyrandom: thank you for your advice, sadly i got to go now...I'll try to solve this non moving/shooting thing....seems to be a problem of the hangar ability. Thank you and have a nice day
22:52.09Cirioncu & hf
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23:32.32Vaili dont think i mentioned this to any one but i think i have an equivlent to the terran merc den for zerg...
23:33.38Skizotyour mom?
23:33.47Vailer no
23:34.07Vailbut i will take that as my que to shut up about it
23:35.15hawkerdoes it have kewl model
23:35.37Vaili wish.
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23:38.50Vailwell later folks
23:39.04hawkerat least use kewl model :/
23:57.51hawkerwhat's the code for strikeout text on mapster??

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