| 00:00.09 | Nash|327 | kittuns? |
| 00:00.19 | A1win | I wonder how well this'd turn out without ranged weapons =p |
| 00:01.12 | A1win | or maybe I should do shooting as an ability, then it could work |
| 00:01.55 | A1win | as in use ability -> check if valid, if not, give error instead of trying to move closer like attack does |
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| 00:10.40 | Nash|327 | Well, anims swapped |
| 00:12.31 | Brainshack | gj |
| 00:12.53 | Nash|327 | and blue eye scaled by 50% |
| 00:13.18 | Brainshack | gjgj |
| 00:17.49 | Nash|327 | and reduced heal aura anim speed by 25% |
| 00:18.31 | Nash|327 | camera system and levels I am content with :G |
| 00:22.02 | Brainshack | well everything were just suggestions |
| 00:23.17 | Nash|327 | yeah, and some I wholly disagree with |
| 00:23.30 | Nash|327 | I really didn't want a KILL FOR MOAR XP grind system. |
| 00:24.51 | Nash|327 | And camera settings, well, it's like Diablo |
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| 00:25.06 | Nash|327 | scrolling camera just takes focus away from controlling hero |
| 00:25.18 | tordy | damnit motive is not here |
| 00:25.30 | Nash|327 | scroll camera around so you can kite or whatever |
| 00:25.32 | Nash|327 | annoying |
| 00:25.33 | Vail | i will be making a radically differnt hero soon one that gains no exp from kills |
| 00:25.58 | Nash|327 | and the map is huge, I don't want people to scroll around the empty blackness |
| 00:26.07 | Nash|327 | and lose track of where hero is |
| 00:26.21 | Nash|327 | and there's no minimap or portrait |
| 00:26.21 | HP-X|Art1as | Nash|327: |
| 00:26.33 | Nash|327 | so it's a pain to get back to a proper view D_D |
| 00:26.37 | HP-X|Art1as | i might clarify there |
| 00:26.38 | Nash|327 | SCROLL AROUND THE VOID |
| 00:26.43 | HP-X|Art1as | i dont dislike the locked camera system |
| 00:27.14 | HP-X|Art1as | i do however dislike the fact that I can hardly see anything below my character and am unable to use the attack from above skill to get behind the enemies in the choke and place mines etc |
| 00:27.40 | Nash|327 | don't get behind them, jump ONTO them D_D |
| 00:27.42 | HP-X|Art1as | in diablo you can jump right in, with the skill in the map it was difficult if it worked at all |
| 00:28.05 | HP-X|Art1as | and i take it the skill is target unit |
| 00:28.13 | HP-X|Art1as | or point |
| 00:28.35 | Nash|327 | well the AOE damage when you land is wasted if you jump behind stuff |
| 00:28.36 | HP-X|Art1as | but if a neutral unit was in the way (like the ressurected thingies) it didnt jump :( |
| 00:29.06 | HP-X|Art1as | as the reaper was kinda weak i enjoyed using it as means of transportation / escape rather then damage |
| 00:29.11 | HP-X|Art1as | rush in, place mines, jump out |
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| 00:29.35 | Nash|327 | also has finite range |
| 00:29.58 | HP-X|Art1as | although id probably have to play the reaper some more |
| 00:30.05 | HP-X|Art1as | ill be back tomorrow night for a few games ;p |
| 00:30.25 | HP-X|Art1as | for the moment being im almost asleep on the keyboard |
| 00:30.53 | PatchOne | hi again everyone. does anyone know something about these silly range indicators? |
| 00:30.58 | HP-X|Art1as | so yeah! lets test some more tomorrow |
| 00:32.00 | Nash|327 | range indicators are easy |
| 00:32.18 | Nash|327 | just copy/paste existing one :G |
| 00:32.28 | Nash|327 | change ability link |
| 00:32.38 | Nash|327 | change the TargetOn/TargetOff messages |
| 00:32.41 | PatchOne | yeah well.. that made me bump into some very weird issue |
| 00:33.04 | PatchOne | i have an duplicated tank, finally working. also range indicators |
| 00:33.16 | PatchOne | if i use that duplicated tank, everything is fine |
| 00:33.23 | PatchOne | if i use the original tank everything is fine |
| 00:33.38 | PatchOne | if is use BOTH together, the range indicators go insane |
| 00:33.51 | PatchOne | on the duplicated it stays active even if i select some other unit |
| 00:34.02 | Nash|327 | oh, weapon range thingy |
| 00:34.08 | PatchOne | on the original it stays active after unsieging and follofs the tank around |
| 00:43.19 | Nash|327 | weirdness |
| 00:43.38 | Nash|327 | I only use ability range actors. |
| 00:45.03 | Nash|327 | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/project-workplace/21591-untitled-hero-survival-arena-showcase-requesting-feedback/?page=2#p34 There. Reply. |
| 00:45.13 | Nash|327 | Said most of it on IRC though. |
| 00:45.26 | Nash|327 | But now it is there for future reference. |
| 00:49.32 | Nash|327 | can you change default chat recipient to All? |
| 00:50.53 | PatchOne | tried that an half an year ago.. dunno if its now possible |
| 00:52.13 | Nash|327 | looks like you can't |
| 01:03.13 | A1win | mm I didn't find a way either |
| 01:03.31 | A1win | only by disabling alliances |
| 01:07.06 | Nash|327 | well I changed the triggers |
| 01:07.13 | Nash|327 | so players in town are allies |
| 01:16.42 | Nash|327 | HP-X|Art1as: doesn't seem like you can change Augment ability activation range |
| 01:17.00 | Vail | that agument ability is funky |
| 01:31.52 | Nash|327 | Brainshack |
| 01:32.32 | Nash|327 | slaps Brainshack around a bit with a large trout |
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| 01:33.37 | Motive | hooray for accidently deleting the MBR and breaking the partition table while installing a new HD and repartitioning. |
| 01:35.13 | Brainshack | ? |
| 01:35.18 | Nash|327 | Brainshack |
| 01:35.22 | Nash|327 | did you play Spectre |
| 01:35.23 | Brainshack | y? |
| 01:35.28 | Brainshack | yes |
| 01:35.37 | Nash|327 | you sayd something about T skill |
| 01:35.43 | Brainshack | yeah |
| 01:35.46 | Brainshack | the big snipe |
| 01:36.07 | Brainshack | mostly when i used it, the target was allready dead before its even been casted |
| 01:37.05 | Nash|327 | because of the cast time |
| 01:37.07 | Nash|327 | hmm |
| 01:37.13 | Nash|327 | Well Snipe was okay? |
| 01:37.40 | Brainshack | yeah |
| 01:37.45 | Brainshack | that being the second point |
| 01:37.48 | Brainshack | bothn are to similar |
| 01:37.50 | Brainshack | imho |
| 01:37.52 | Nash|327 | I know |
| 01:38.08 | Nash|327 | but I want a "kill stuff, gain energy" skill |
| 01:38.19 | Nash|327 | and with a sniper type dude |
| 01:38.26 | Nash|327 | options are a bit limited |
| 01:38.36 | Brainshack | maybe a passive aura? |
| 01:38.52 | Nash|327 | nope, 1 passive per hero |
| 01:39.02 | Nash|327 | Spectre passive is that Deploy skill |
| 01:39.09 | Nash|327 | stand still for damage buff |
| 01:39.22 | Brainshack | are okay |
| 01:40.10 | Nash|327 | how was explosive round? |
| 01:40.33 | Brainshack | that knockback thing? |
| 01:40.36 | Nash|327 | no |
| 01:40.36 | Brainshack | or that grenade? |
| 01:40.38 | Nash|327 | the AOE |
| 01:40.55 | Brainshack | yeah another good point |
| 01:41.03 | Brainshack | the marine seems to be having a similar skill? |
| 01:41.10 | Nash|327 | the area is very small, but long range and more damage than Marine's |
| 01:41.24 | Nash|327 | I know there are some similar skills |
| 01:41.39 | Nash|327 | it is alas unavoidable |
| 01:43.08 | Nash|327 | I tried to distinguish by lower AOE, more damage, longer range |
| 01:43.23 | Nash|327 | it's crappy against large units since you will only hit 1 or 2 |
| 01:43.24 | Brainshack | yeah but people will hardly notice |
| 01:43.46 | Nash|327 | but agaisnt big targets, use single target attacks |
| 01:44.54 | Brainshack | JademusSreg: you there? |
| 01:45.10 | Nash|327 | people will not play all classes anyway |
| 01:45.38 | Nash|327 | you pick one, try it out, if you like it level up to 20 |
| 01:45.51 | Brainshack | yeah i figure its hard to make 9 really unique classes |
| 01:46.09 | Nash|327 | Yeah. |
| 01:46.21 | Nash|327 | They are sufficiently unique. |
| 01:46.32 | Nash|327 | Marine is more defensive than other ranged. |
| 01:46.47 | Brainshack | the problem i had with the spectre is, that being a hero thats mostly effective vs single target in a situation fighting 30 units at once, doesnt feel much fun at all |
| 01:46.48 | Nash|327 | Reaper can fire while moving and slow, kite shit to hell |
| 01:47.04 | Nash|327 | Spectre, stand still in the back and shoot shit |
| 01:47.10 | Nash|327 | well Brainshack |
| 01:47.23 | Nash|327 | Spectre is much better for Onslaught mode |
| 01:47.34 | Nash|327 | few enemies, but really strong |
| 01:47.34 | Brainshack | might be |
| 01:47.45 | Nash|327 | use stun attacks and single target attacks |
| 01:47.46 | Brainshack | its hard to tell until at least a beta playable map is available |
| 01:47.51 | Brainshack | with all modes and arenas |
| 01:47.57 | Nash|327 | all modes are in |
| 01:48.27 | Brainshack | yeah but i guess that being such a stationary hero, terrain is important aswell |
| 01:48.28 | Brainshack | hm |
| 01:48.42 | Brainshack | and of course a good tank in the team |
| 01:48.53 | Nash|327 | Carnage: Enemy Life/Shields halved, enemy damage halved, time between wave spawns halved, twice as many waves. |
| 01:49.03 | Nash|327 | Balanced: Normal (others modes' stats are in comparison to this.) |
| 01:49.13 | Nash|327 | Onslaught: Enemy Life/Shields doubled, enemy damage doubled, time between wave spawns doubled, half as many waves. |
| 01:49.22 | Nash|327 | those are the modes |
| 01:50.28 | Nash|327 | Onslaught damage is damn painful, but good for single target classes, especially Spectre that can stun |
| 01:50.56 | Brainshack | yeah however, a class shouldnt be too focused on one mode |
| 01:51.10 | Brainshack | maybe you could remove the T skill with another aoe |
| 01:51.15 | Brainshack | or support skill |
| 01:51.16 | Brainshack | dunno |
| 01:51.17 | Nash|327 | The idea is that modes should be equal in difficulty, but some are more suitable for some classes |
| 01:51.31 | Nash|327 | and of course then there's boss fights later |
| 01:51.37 | Nash|327 | where single target = PWN |
| 01:52.15 | Nash|327 | I need to create at least 9 bosses |
| 01:52.27 | Nash|327 | with 1-2 abilities |
| 01:52.36 | Nash|327 | and possible some sort of scripted event |
| 01:52.48 | Brainshack | yeah would be cool |
| 01:52.52 | Brainshack | like in a wow raid :R |
| 01:52.58 | Nash|327 | Like an Ultralisk that burrows, then appears elsewhere |
| 01:53.02 | Nash|327 | by a random hero |
| 01:53.06 | Nash|327 | and attacks it |
| 01:53.17 | Nash|327 | just to fuck with your tanking :P |
| 01:53.32 | Nash|327 | at certain health % it will do that |
| 01:54.00 | Nash|327 | An archon with Psi Storm that pwns you if you don't move out of it |
| 01:54.25 | Nash|327 | Stone Zealot that can stun nearby enemies to fuck up your melee guys |
| 01:54.30 | Nash|327 | stuff like that |
| 01:54.51 | Nash|327 | Infestor with Neural Parasite mwahaha |
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| 01:56.01 | Nash|327 | Your tank gets mind controlled suddenly! |
| 01:56.54 | Nash|327 | I do feel I need to tweak Assassinate :G |
| 01:57.11 | Brainshack | ^^ |
| 01:57.19 | Nash|327 | just not sure how |
| 01:57.34 | Nash|327 | I edited Zealot |
| 01:58.21 | Nash|327 | Zeal gives more speed boost, double change to stun, a bit larger AOE skill |
| 02:00.32 | Nash|327 | Now, what to do about Assassinate D: |
| 02:01.51 | Nash|327 | Ooh, Idea... |
| 02:02.22 | Nash|327 | If it kills target, it does AOE to nearby enemies... |
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| 02:09.41 | Mexa | Oh pastebin, why are you still down :(? |
| 02:12.07 | Nash|327 | use the other pastebin |
| 02:13.34 | Mexa | nay |
| 02:14.06 | Mexa | I suspect it is down due to #AntiSec |
| 02:27.44 | Mexa | Meh |
| 02:27.53 | Mexa | Finally done with this stupid email cleanup |
| 02:28.01 | Mexa | Seeya folks tomorrow. |
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| 02:34.18 | Vexal | hello. |
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| 02:40.32 | Brainshack | anybody here knowing a bit 'bout galaxy? |
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| 02:41.11 | tordy | tell me when motive comes here |
| 02:41.29 | Brainshack | ~seen Motive |
| 02:41.29 | purl | motive is currently on #sc2mapster (1h 8m 26s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 1h 7m 52s, last said: 'hooray for accidently deleting the MBR and breaking the partition table while installing a new HD and repartitioning.'. |
| 02:41.38 | tordy | well i'll be damned |
| 02:44.46 | tordy | ~seen motive |
| 02:44.47 | purl | motive is currently on #sc2mapster (1h 11m 44s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 1h 11m 10s, last said: 'hooray for accidently deleting the MBR and breaking the partition table while installing a new HD and repartitioning.'. |
| 02:44.53 | tordy | argh Motive stop afking :[ |
| 02:48.22 | XorioZ | ... i gotta get me a normal sleep cycle |
| 02:48.28 | tordy | me too |
| 02:48.29 | Mexa | ^ |
| 02:48.45 | tordy | sucks graduating and then searching for a job |
| 02:49.04 | tordy | i mean |
| 02:49.11 | tordy | whoops im out nothing to see here! |
| 02:50.19 | Mexa | brb |
| 02:52.10 | Brainshack | man |
| 02:52.15 | Brainshack | i need some scripting help |
| 02:52.18 | Brainshack | just a tiny bit t.t |
| 02:53.21 | Brainshack | JademusSreg: |
| 02:53.26 | Brainshack | plx be there ^^ |
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| 02:55.27 | grenegg | :( |
| 02:55.43 | Brainshack | grenegg: r u good at galaxy? |
| 02:56.08 | grenegg | not really |
| 02:56.13 | grenegg | i now c and stuff |
| 02:56.23 | grenegg | and I know how to look stuf up on the wiki |
| 02:56.39 | tordy | wiki doesnt help that much |
| 02:56.42 | Brainshack | dindt find anything in the web yet.... |
| 02:56.49 | grenegg | its usefor for functions |
| 02:56.52 | Brainshack | abilcmd moveCmd = AbilityCommand("move", 0); |
| 02:56.55 | grenegg | *useful |
| 02:56.58 | Brainshack | gives me syntax error |
| 02:57.00 | Brainshack | dunno y |
| 02:57.01 | Brainshack | :( |
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| 03:00.09 | Mexa | hm |
| 03:00.28 | Brainshack | hey mexa |
| 03:00.40 | Mexa | mornin' |
| 03:01.15 | grenegg | mornin? |
| 03:01.20 | Brainshack | 5am |
| 03:01.21 | Brainshack | ;> |
| 03:01.30 | grenegg | ?????Im just now starting my shif of letting the dog out all night |
| 03:01.35 | grenegg | *shift |
| 03:05.46 | A1win | damn, I still suck at commenting my videos |
| 03:05.54 | A1win | need to redo the thing multiple times to get a reasonable result =p |
| 03:06.22 | Mexa | http://fantomenk.bandcamp.com/track/the-massacre-version-2 mm.. quite catchy |
| 03:06.39 | XorioZ | Brain where you at in the world?? |
| 03:06.46 | XorioZ | it's also 5am here |
| 03:06.51 | Brainshack | germany |
| 03:06.58 | Mexa | 5am indeed |
| 03:06.58 | XorioZ | oh that explains it :) |
| 03:07.04 | XorioZ | Denmark here |
| 03:07.17 | Mexa | sweden! |
| 03:07.25 | Mexa | lol. |
| 03:07.41 | XorioZ | you crazy sweeds |
| 03:07.48 | XorioZ | :P |
| 03:07.55 | Mexa | oh noes, what did we do now? |
| 03:08.02 | Nash|327 | tweak tweak |
| 03:08.11 | XorioZ | nothing. |
| 03:08.25 | XorioZ | you just crazy like the rest of us :) |
| 03:08.58 | allenmelon | no wonder mineralz is highest in popularity |
| 03:09.06 | Mexa | :> |
| 03:09.07 | XorioZ | all us scandinaviens are a wierd bunch. |
| 03:09.15 | Mexa | hah, yeah |
| 03:09.28 | allenmelon | if you get it right in mineralz, everyone just afks and leaves the game on for hours |
| 03:09.50 | Mexa | http://satwcomic.com/ :) |
| 03:10.52 | XorioZ | nice one mexa |
| 03:11.08 | Mexa | Alot of them are good ones :D |
| 03:13.34 | tordy | 5am gosh |
| 03:17.17 | Mexa | http://satwcomic.com/good-to-see-you-england |
| 03:17.29 | Nash|327 | Mexaface |
| 03:17.36 | Nash|327 | you missed testing |
| 03:18.13 | Mexa | oh nows |
| 03:18.19 | Mexa | Another time buddy :v |
| 03:20.51 | Nash|327 | kittuns |
| 03:21.01 | Nash|327 | IS NOW ANOTHER TIME? |
| 03:22.15 | tordy | motive back yet |
| 03:22.17 | tordy | nope :/ |
| 03:24.30 | Vail | no but i am |
| 03:25.30 | tordy | can you pretend to be Motive? |
| 03:26.15 | Vail | not sure what do you need from Motive? |
| 03:26.20 | Sixen | haha |
| 03:26.26 | tordy | nothin just wanted to say im sorry |
| 03:26.35 | tordy | for having fun the wrong way w/ his map |
| 03:26.36 | Vexal | ? |
| 03:26.41 | tordy | <_< |
| 03:27.08 | XorioZ | damn you Mexa now i can't get of satwcomic.com |
| 03:27.16 | Vail | if i were Motive i am sure i would aperciate you apology |
| 03:27.21 | Mexa | :D that was the point |
| 03:27.35 | Mexa | start from the beginning and onwards :> |
| 03:28.12 | Vexal | the custom map list hasn't changed in the months i was gone. |
| 03:28.16 | Vexal | i'm dissappointed. |
| 03:28.39 | Vail | hm |
| 03:28.51 | Mexa | you always are. |
| 03:29.13 | Vail | " i tie the rats tail to the stick" |
| 03:30.14 | tordy | thought vail and vexal were the same person for a moment |
| 03:30.23 | tordy | curse same starting letters |
| 03:30.37 | tordy | Mexa and Mephs got same TWO starting letters, now i always get confused with that |
| 03:30.56 | Mexa | heh |
| 03:31.14 | tordy | but i dont get confused with JademusSreg and JamesObscura because ive never seen the JamesObscura |
| 03:31.34 | tordy | and string comparison wise, not even close |
| 03:31.39 | Vail | becaue he is obscure im sure.. |
| 03:31.46 | tordy | Vail wassup where u at |
| 03:31.48 | Mexa | Their names are not that short either. |
| 03:31.54 | tordy | xactly |
| 03:32.02 | *** part/#sc2mapster Sixen (~Sixen@173-29-13-13.client.mchsi.com) |
| 03:32.14 | tordy | Sixen left without saying hello :/ |
| 03:32.27 | Vail | im at my computer .. where else would ibe |
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| 03:32.40 | *** mode/#sc2mapster [+o Sixen] by ChanServ |
| 03:33.45 | Vail | LGM1" look it is the Sixen he" LGM2" he has returned" All LGM " oooooo" |
| 03:34.03 | Vail | botched the front of that one but eh |
| 03:34.22 | Sixen | o |
| 03:34.22 | tordy | when was the last Vexal said hooray |
| 03:34.23 | Sixen | _o |
| 03:34.53 | tordy | when's blizzard holding thier next map creation contest |
| 03:34.56 | tordy | i want $5000 |
| 03:35.09 | Vail | me too |
| 03:35.16 | tordy | me three |
| 03:35.37 | A1win | me $10,000 |
| 03:35.40 | Vail | i need one new piece of software and the 5000 would cover the cost but i would need some more for shipping>..> |
| 03:36.41 | Nash|327 | So EU peoples and Mexa |
| 03:36.44 | Nash|327 | Testage? |
| 03:36.58 | Mexa | Am I not european? |
| 03:37.06 | Nash|327 | Well you specifically. |
| 03:37.08 | tordy | guess im the only American here |
| 03:37.17 | tordy | :/ |
| 03:37.22 | Mexa | Nash, I am going to bed |
| 03:37.27 | Nash|327 | Lies. |
| 03:37.45 | Nash|327 | You will claim that in 30 min again D: |
| 03:37.49 | Vail | <--- Proud to be an american |
| 03:37.59 | Mexa | Mythbusters->sleep->4hoursleep->7kmbicycle->haircut |
| 03:38.14 | tordy | amen |
| 03:38.18 | Nash|327 | What's there to be proud of D: |
| 03:38.21 | Mexa | Nash, because that's the way it is |
| 03:38.31 | Mexa | I'll try not to tho. |
| 03:38.44 | Vail | you have to ride 7k to the barber ot you need to ride 7k to power the generator for your own sheers? |
| 03:38.50 | Nash|327 | You never sleep D:~~ |
| 03:38.58 | Mexa | the first |
| 03:39.26 | Mexa | or rather, I am taking the bike to the city |
| 03:39.50 | Mexa | Nash, the horses outside never sleep |
| 03:40.05 | Nash|327 | horses wtf |
| 03:41.55 | Vail | horses cool |
| 03:42.35 | Vail | im afraid of horses btw |
| 03:42.39 | Vail | and children |
| 03:42.46 | Nash|327 | Why horses? |
| 03:42.48 | Vail | and flying bugs |
| 03:43.09 | Vail | oh and left handed manual can operers |
| 03:43.21 | Nash|327 | but not kittuns |
| 03:43.30 | Mexa | Nash, my step mom owns 2 |
| 03:43.36 | Mexa | that's why |
| 03:43.40 | Nash|327 | D_D |
| 03:43.46 | Nash|327 | RIDE THEM |
| 03:43.55 | Mexa | no, I am scared |
| 03:43.57 | Mexa | lol |
| 03:44.00 | Nash|327 | D_D |
| 03:44.03 | Nash|327 | I would ride them. |
| 03:44.08 | tordy | vexal that's not true! |
| 03:44.16 | Mexa | Besides, they don't like me that much |
| 03:44.22 | Nash|327 | I'M ON A HORSE |
| 03:44.24 | tordy | this guy's map went from oblivion to page 2 in a matter of hours! |
| 03:44.24 | tordy | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/2674979136 |
| 03:44.33 | tordy | how does he do it |
| 03:44.34 | Mexa | They feel my fear, and don't let me pet them as much |
| 03:44.41 | tordy | without advertisement |
| 03:45.15 | Vail | i should really be working on my artililisk video but meh |
| 03:47.02 | Vexal | tordy what's not true? |
| 03:47.17 | tordy | that the front pages are all the same maps |
| 03:47.24 | tordy | there are a few itsy bitsy spiders! |
| 03:49.27 | Ashamed | erg |
| 03:49.31 | Ashamed | i dont like dialogs >< |
| 03:50.58 | Mexa | ^ |
| 03:51.07 | Nash|327 | Dialogs are awesome |
| 03:51.36 | Mexa | once they get a wysiwug they might be somewhat decent.-. |
| 03:51.40 | Nash|327 | http://static.sc2mapster.com/content/attachments/16/712/Screenshot2011-05-30_20_47_54.jpg LOOK AT THAT MOFO |
| 03:52.52 | Nash|327 | Couldn't do stuff like that in SC1 :G |
| 03:52.58 | A1win | just takes a bit of getting used to, I can already get them looking like what I want without much trial & error |
| 03:52.59 | Nash|327 | And it's pwnage. |
| 03:56.49 | Mexa | I guess I need to speedup my dialog toolkit then D: |
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| 03:59.43 | A1win | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeiS0Mfui1k ah here we go |
| 03:59.47 | Nash|327 | Brainshacksss |
| 04:00.06 | Nash|327 | I changed Assassinate a bit |
| 04:00.25 | Nash|327 | 1 s cast, removed damage bonus against stunned |
| 04:00.47 | Nash|327 | it should be a bit of a gamble, though |
| 04:00.57 | Nash|327 | if you kill target, gain energy |
| 04:01.22 | Nash|327 | if target dies before that or survives, you lost 25 energy ;G |
| 04:02.23 | Mexa | http://techcrunch.com/2011/06/20/dropbox-security-bug-made-passwords-optional-for-four-hours/ lols. |
| 04:05.29 | Nash|327 | Mexasmell |
| 04:05.33 | Nash|327 | you sure like hacking |
| 04:06.28 | Mexa | no? |
| 04:06.41 | Nash|327 | lies |
| 04:06.52 | Mexa | But it is a great deal of interest what's happening on the web around me |
| 04:07.01 | Nash|327 | and you're still not asleep :P |
| 04:07.08 | Mexa | I know right |
| 04:07.13 | Mexa | What about yourself? |
| 04:07.23 | Nash|327 | not gonna sleep D: |
| 04:07.31 | Nash|327 | let's play SC2 |
| 04:07.47 | Mexa | My zombie brain isn't very good for something when tired. |
| 04:07.59 | Nash|327 | well kill stuff |
| 04:08.04 | Nash|327 | pewpew |
| 04:08.17 | Mexa | Also, I am badly positioned, since my laptop is on a small table right next to my bed right now. |
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| 04:08.24 | Nash|327 | Hero maps aren't exactly logic puzzles D: |
| 04:08.38 | Mexa | May be so |
| 04:08.41 | Mexa | But nay |
| 04:08.46 | Nash|327 | BAH! |
| 04:08.56 | Nash|327 | Then bag me 3 kittuns. |
| 04:08.57 | Ibebusiness | r u on us? |
| 04:09.02 | Mexa | I need at least to lay down and relax |
| 04:09.03 | Nash|327 | Negatory. |
| 04:09.03 | Ibebusiness | Ill play, im on us |
| 04:09.09 | Ibebusiness | kk |
| 04:09.12 | Mexa | To recover abit of energy |
| 04:09.28 | Nash|327 | There are energy recovery skills |
| 04:09.34 | Ibebusiness | Im going to go play some pre ladder matches... I have 25 left |
| 04:09.51 | Mexa | And those does not include playing sc2 |
| 04:09.56 | Mexa | :> |
| 04:10.11 | Ibebusiness | recover skills? |
| 04:10.15 | Nash|327 | Well actually you'd have to to use them |
| 04:10.20 | Nash|327 | They are in the map. |
| 04:10.23 | Nash|327 | :G |
| 04:10.26 | Ibebusiness | ? |
| 04:10.35 | Ibebusiness | lol |
| 04:10.51 | Nash|327 | Energy recovery skills and passives. |
| 04:16.07 | A1win | Sixen, any chance you could remove the poll from this thread? http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/project-workplace/15666-still-alive-a-survival-rpg-take-4-video-up/ |
| 04:21.10 | Sixen | Don't thinI can remove polls ;\ |
| 04:21.21 | Sixen | 91075368 |
| 04:21.28 | Sixen | oops |
| 04:21.38 | A1win | ow, kk |
| 04:21.42 | Sixen | that was my authentication code. |
| 04:21.44 | Sixen | :P |
| 04:25.43 | grenegg | LOL sixen |
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| 05:07.43 | Vail | man i need a better computer BADLY |
| 05:10.26 | Mexa_ | sigh, pastebin is still down |
| 05:14.46 | XorioZ | never realy got the leeroy jingkins stuff before just a momen't ago. saw the video on youtube.. damn........... at least i have chiken. |
| 05:19.51 | Vail | four minutes to render a still image sequence sigh... |
| 05:20.31 | Vail | five even |
| 05:20.31 | Ashamed | -.- |
| 05:20.38 | Ashamed | got my first hero selection working :) |
| 05:22.30 | Vail | nice |
| 05:23.29 | Vail | i need to get started on my alternate exp gain hero |
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| 06:32.33 | Mexa_ | hms.. |
| 06:32.34 | Mexa_ | http://gizmodo.com/5813560/lulzsec-and-anonymous-declare-open-war-against-all-governments-and-fat-cats |
| 06:35.13 | Vail | LLEEERROOOYY JEENNKIINSS!! |
| 06:37.03 | Vail | well |
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| 07:24.11 | Nash|327 | Mexagreek |
| 07:24.26 | Nash|327 | again with the haxoring |
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| 08:12.25 | Nash|327 | Mexa_ you stealth greek |
| 08:12.50 | Mexa_ | blopblöp |
| 08:13.05 | Nash|327 | Mexagreek |
| 08:13.09 | Nash|327 | no sleep yet? |
| 08:14.09 | Nash|327 | I'm up to 20 hours now |
| 08:14.15 | Nash|327 | 20? |
| 08:14.20 | Nash|327 | Fuck. |
| 08:14.39 | Nash|327 | Sounds wrong. |
| 08:16.53 | Mexa_ | hm |
| 08:16.57 | Mexa_ | I'm up on |
| 08:17.00 | Mexa_ | lets see |
| 08:17.22 | Mexa_ | since about 1600 yesterday |
| 08:18.15 | Mexa_ | so about 18 hours I think |
| 08:18.51 | Mexa_ | Are you suggestinng a competition :v? |
| 08:19.39 | Mexa_ | brb |
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| 08:35.08 | Nash|327 | D_D |
| 08:35.16 | Nash|327 | No competition. |
| 08:37.54 | Mexa | good :D |
| 08:41.39 | Nash|327 | Only competition I will engage in is kittun bagging. |
| 08:42.23 | Nash|327 | You supply the kittuns and bags. |
| 08:57.26 | XorioZ | damnit just remembered.. i signed up for craftcup... |
| 08:57.35 | XorioZ | and it's today. |
| 08:58.10 | XorioZ | gotta brush up on my skill's not that i expect to win. |
| 08:58.20 | XorioZ | or expect anyone in this channel to care :P |
| 08:58.31 | XorioZ | sry for that suden outburst |
| 09:03.37 | Deaod | anyone here familiar with recent FPSs? |
| 09:06.29 | Deaod | hmm, nvm |
| 09:24.01 | Mexa | Deaod, released or on the way? |
| 09:24.11 | Deaod | released |
| 09:24.25 | Deaod | wanted to know if theres replay capability in them, which there is |
| 09:24.28 | Mexa | I could only think of DNF |
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| 09:24.55 | Deaod | well, CoD, BF, Halo |
| 09:25.04 | Deaod | those are the ones i wanted to know about. |
| 09:26.20 | Mexa | Hm |
| 09:26.35 | Mexa | BF3 will have an open beta in september |
| 09:26.52 | Mexa | CoD and Halo, I haven't been following that much. |
| 09:27.10 | Deaod | meh, im not interested at all in playing these games. |
| 09:28.04 | Mexa | oh? |
| 09:28.37 | Deaod | yes. |
| 09:28.53 | Deaod | Halo is console only anyway |
| 09:29.04 | Mexa | True. |
| 09:30.07 | Deaod | CoD ... meh, slow as fuck, no interesting weapons, and focuses on consoles. |
| 09:30.20 | Deaod | BF, same, except its more for PCs |
| 09:32.04 | Mexa | hm |
| 09:32.28 | Mexa | The graphics in bf3 looks great tho. |
| 09:32.54 | Deaod | "Console controllers give me much more freedom of movement and easy access to all the necessary controls, and the only thing I sacrifice is unrealistically fast aiming." |
| 09:32.59 | Mexa | The actual game and the mechanics and it's new engine will see if it delivers. |
| 09:33.20 | Deaod | i wanted to slap this idiot. |
| 09:33.24 | Mexa | lol |
| 09:33.32 | Mexa | Agreed :p |
| 09:33.50 | Deaod | freedom of movement... |
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| 09:47.52 | Mexa | I'm off |
| 09:47.54 | Mexa | Seeya |
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| 10:04.01 | RndmObjcts | anyone there? |
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| 10:05.06 | mapman_ | hey guys :D |
| 10:05.14 | mapman_ | anyone? |
| 10:05.54 | Griffenator | No. |
| 10:06.58 | RndmObjcts | im here mapman! lol though i prob cant help much xD |
| 10:09.36 | mapman_ | hey! |
| 10:09.37 | mapman_ | :D |
| 10:09.52 | Sixen | It's 3am, most people are sleeping ;p |
| 10:10.02 | RndmObjcts | anyone know if there's an in editor way to make a players UI a certain race? |
| 10:10.12 | Sixen | should be in Map >Player settings |
| 10:10.21 | Sixen | just set their race, itl'l set their ui |
| 10:10.30 | RndmObjcts | oh alright thanks :D |
| 10:10.33 | Sixen | =] |
| 10:12.32 | RndmObjcts | :D works :D |
| 10:12.36 | RndmObjcts | sorry im a nub :P lol |
| 10:13.07 | RndmObjcts | but hey!!! i managed to make my own shield pickup item with working text!! im proud of that lmao. even though its minor... i still did it just tinkering!! :D |
| 10:14.00 | mapman_ | theres no "variable value is changed" event right? |
| 10:15.08 | RndmObjcts | no clue :( sorry. |
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| 11:59.55 | Ibe_PlayingSc2_b | rawr |
| 12:00.03 | Ibe_PlayingSc2_b | back to starcraft 2 |
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| 12:08.59 | mapman_ | guys |
| 12:09.02 | mapman_ | I need to make |
| 12:09.06 | mapman_ | and integer group |
| 12:09.12 | mapman_ | not an array |
| 12:09.20 | mapman_ | just a group, like you do with player group;s |
| 12:09.25 | mapman_ | anyone? |
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| 12:27.30 | A1win | mapman_, might be the easiest by using a data table and writing your own functions to add/remove integers, but there's no built-in system for an integer group (other than player groups) |
| 12:28.26 | A1win | data tables are slower than you could do by using arrays, but they allow dynamic amount of space |
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| 12:29.39 | mapman_ | mmm |
| 12:29.42 | mapman_ | never used data table |
| 12:29.47 | mapman_ | can you explain what it is? |
| 12:30.20 | A1win | it's a hash table, you can store variables by giving them a name, and then restore them by referring to that name |
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| 12:31.29 | mapman_ | oh |
| 12:31.31 | mapman_ | so |
| 12:31.42 | mapman_ | can I link a trigger to an integer ? |
| 12:31.44 | retcon | hi, I'm having a problem with adding a stats-boosting item - it's supposed to increase ranged weapon damage (it does), but it also decreases the attack speed |
| 12:31.57 | A1win | a trigger? :E |
| 12:32.06 | mapman_ | like if random integer = 4 then run trigger blabla |
| 12:32.25 | A1win | don't think so, triggers can't be stored even in variables |
| 12:32.28 | retcon | I thought triggers responded to specific events |
| 12:32.49 | A1win | you probably need to do a switch-case of that integer and run the triggers from that |
| 12:32.54 | mapman_ | yea but i meant then turn on/off trigger |
| 12:33.08 | retcon | you can run triggers from triggers |
| 12:33.17 | retcon | you just need some event to start the whole process |
| 12:33.28 | mapman_ | yea |
| 12:33.36 | mapman_ | but i do action definitions in that case |
| 12:33.43 | mapman_ | i donno why but i do |
| 12:33.47 | retcon | I'm not sure what you mean |
| 12:33.57 | mapman_ | instead of having a trigger with no event |
| 12:34.02 | mapman_ | i make an action definition |
| 12:34.11 | retcon | action definition of what? |
| 12:34.27 | mapman_ | ...of the actions in that trigger |
| 12:34.38 | mapman_ | it will execute the actions |
| 12:34.48 | retcon | so why can't you just define the trigger and have some other trigger execute it? |
| 12:35.04 | mapman_ | you can do that |
| 12:35.06 | A1win | what are you talking about X_x |
| 12:35.06 | mapman_ | but |
| 12:35.12 | mapman_ | ive been told its not recommended |
| 12:35.17 | mapman_ | so i make actions |
| 12:35.25 | mapman_ | and actions are convienients |
| 12:35.26 | retcon | it seems like the most straightforward thing |
| 12:35.32 | mapman_ | cuz you can make parameters |
| 12:35.33 | A1win | yeah, actions don't always need a new thread created for them |
| 12:35.41 | A1win | and that |
| 12:35.58 | mapman_ | ok alwin |
| 12:36.01 | retcon | and "make actions" doesn't mean anything - there's various actions |
| 12:36.01 | mapman_ | here is the thing |
| 12:36.08 | mapman_ | custom action |
| 12:36.16 | mapman_ | its called action definition |
| 12:36.38 | mapman_ | right click>new>action definition |
| 12:37.01 | A1win | are you talking to me? D: |
| 12:37.14 | retcon | can anyone help me with the item problem? |
| 12:39.13 | mapman_ | I have about 30 triggers they have a boolean array of 30 which reffers to each of them . I have a trigger that must turn one of these triggers randomly, but only IF its boolean is false |
| 12:39.32 | mapman_ | IF YOU CAN SOLVE THAT |
| 12:39.44 | mapman_ | i may or may not give you a piece of cake |
| 12:39.50 | mapman_ | :D |
| 12:39.51 | A1win | ;p |
| 12:40.13 | mapman_ | you understand what i mean? |
| 12:40.17 | JademusSreg | I awaken. |
| 12:40.40 | retcon | mapman, you need the booleans to be global variables |
| 12:41.07 | retcon | just make a big switch statement that runs through an array of them and executes specific triggers if any of them are false |
| 12:41.46 | mapman_ | i need to pick ONE of them RANDOMLY |
| 12:41.53 | A1win | make another array of that size, go through the list of booleans and only add the values that are allowed to be randomized to the new array, increment a variable to know how many values are in the new array, and then pick a random number between 0 and that value, and you get a random one ;p then just do a switch-case which turns off the trigger based on the randomized number |
| 12:42.35 | retcon | just make an array and choose a random index |
| 12:42.44 | retcon | if it's false, execute the specific trigger |
| 12:42.50 | retcon | if not, choose another random index |
| 12:42.55 | A1win | eww :3 |
| 12:43.03 | A1win | that has the potential of running infinitely |
| 12:43.28 | retcon | not with a good pseudorandom generator |
| 12:43.28 | A1win | what if they're all false? |
| 12:43.28 | retcon | and you can just store the generated numbers to check |
| 12:43.37 | retcon | if they're all false than any can be executed |
| 12:43.44 | retcon | and the first chosen will be executed |
| 12:44.26 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 12:44.34 | mapman_ | a1win, ok but how do I m ake the second array correspond to a trigger? |
| 12:44.46 | A1win | with the switch-case |
| 12:44.50 | JademusSreg | What is all this nonsense? =D |
| 12:44.55 | A1win | JademusSreg, no idea |
| 12:44.57 | JademusSreg | What is the objective. |
| 12:45.00 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 12:45.12 | A1win | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:45.15 | A1win | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:45.23 | retcon | it's possibly something much simpler that he convoluted for no related reason |
| 12:45.24 | A1win | pff failpaste, but anyway |
| 12:45.33 | JademusSreg | None of tells me what it is for, though. |
| 12:45.39 | A1win | yea ;p |
| 12:45.57 | retcon | Jademus, can you help me with an Item problem? |
| 12:46.00 | A1win | new video of my map btw ;x http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeiS0Mfui1k |
| 12:46.11 | JademusSreg | People often think of the most inefficient means of going about accomplishing an objective because they are unfamiliar with the tools. |
| 12:46.24 | A1win | true... |
| 12:46.27 | JademusSreg | I don't work with Items, but I -might- be able to help, ret. |
| 12:46.42 | retcon | and sometimes they also try to optimize things prematurely |
| 12:47.08 | retcon | Jademus, I have added a custom item that increases ranged damage, but for some reason it also decreases the attack speed |
| 12:47.10 | retcon | it's a Buff |
| 12:47.22 | A1win | preventing infinite loops is now called optimizing? ._x |
| 12:47.50 | JademusSreg | Show me the data. |
| 12:47.57 | retcon | A1win, first, I wasn't talking about your solution, second, you can prevent that with the method I gave you |
| 12:48.04 | A1win | :P |
| 12:48.18 | retcon | Jademus, which data do you need? |
| 12:48.21 | retcon | behavior? |
| 12:48.26 | JademusSreg | Back in beta, there was a common issue where some editor values defaulted to, say, zero instead of one, like Time Scale. =D |
| 12:48.29 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 12:48.35 | retcon | ok |
| 12:49.20 | JademusSreg | I'm assuming there is an accidentally changed value somewhere, in this case, but I'll take a thorough look. |
| 12:49.46 | retcon | Jademus, http://pastebin.com/ZLrMMwuE |
| 12:50.35 | JademusSreg | Haha, do you have an mpq editor? |
| 12:50.46 | JademusSreg | I'd have better luck reading the xml files. |
| 12:51.07 | retcon | I only use the Galaxy Editor |
| 12:51.11 | JademusSreg | http://www.zezula.net/en/mpq/download.html |
| 12:51.34 | JademusSreg | This tool allows one to extract files from mpq format files. |
| 12:51.46 | JademusSreg | Maps are in mpq format. |
| 12:52.25 | retcon | both period and periodcount are 0 in my item |
| 12:52.29 | JademusSreg | Or show me the map, or take screenshots of the Combat tab of the behavior. |
| 12:52.36 | retcon | ok |
| 12:53.05 | retcon | oh wow |
| 12:53.08 | retcon | there it is |
| 12:53.13 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 12:53.15 | retcon | attack speed multiplier is 0.01 |
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| 12:53.29 | JademusSreg | See what I mean? |
| 12:53.33 | retcon | ye |
| 12:53.33 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 12:53.35 | retcon | yes* |
| 12:53.42 | retcon | I still don't understand why it did that |
| 12:53.56 | JademusSreg | A1, does the monster follow you through scene transitions, like up stairs and out doors? |
| 12:54.21 | JademusSreg | Hi Mexa. |
| 12:54.28 | Mexa | hey there |
| 12:54.34 | A1win | JademusSreg, yea |
| 12:54.36 | retcon | could it be because I removed the previous weapon? |
| 12:54.41 | Mexa | Jademus, you might want to check your dropbox account, just in case |
| 12:54.54 | JademusSreg | Naw, ret, probably unrelated to anything like that. |
| 12:54.58 | Mexa | They made a update security flaw this night |
| 12:55.12 | JademusSreg | Check my dropbox for what? |
| 12:55.16 | retcon | Jademus, OK, thanks either way |
| 12:55.17 | Mexa | For 4 hours, all accounts could be accessed even with the wrong password. |
| 12:55.22 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 12:55.25 | JademusSreg | Awesome. |
| 12:55.26 | Mexa | :> |
| 12:55.30 | A1win | each player has a log of 3 last exits they've gone through, and the monster goes through that and checks if it can enter any of them where it currently is at |
| 12:55.38 | retcon | the PSN network going down was even better |
| 12:55.51 | Mexa | No it just angered even more people |
| 12:56.06 | JademusSreg | I don't keep anything sensitive on my dropbox, fortunately, and I don't reuse passwords. |
| 12:56.23 | retcon | they stored credit card data in plain text |
| 12:56.29 | JademusSreg | So I could give a shit if it was compromised. |
| 12:57.02 | JademusSreg | I have another backup dropbox-purpose client, anyway. |
| 12:57.19 | Nash|327 | I keep my map on dropbox |
| 12:57.25 | Nash|327 | onoes they be stealin mah map |
| 12:57.58 | JademusSreg | A1, that's neat. |
| 12:57.59 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 12:58.23 | Nash|327 | AMNESIA |
| 12:59.57 | Mexa | retcon, I know they did, and that is indeed silly |
| 13:00.36 | Mexa | But the whole thing could have been done by sending it to sony, not leaking it in public |
| 13:00.52 | mapman_ | guys, lets say I have actions named xxx1, xxx2, xxx3, xxx4, ... And i want to run to one with the number "random integer between 1 and y) |
| 13:01.02 | *** join/#sc2mapster Ingela (~Ingela@90-230-170-118-no35.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 13:01.07 | mapman_ | Is there a way to do that? |
| 13:01.17 | retcon | Mexa, I think the point was to show that Sony is incompetent |
| 13:01.20 | A1win | switch (number) case 0: run xxx1, case 1: run xxx2, ... |
| 13:01.35 | mapman_ | yea... tahts long |
| 13:01.41 | Mexa | It's not only sony. |
| 13:01.48 | Mexa | They just happend to be the current target |
| 13:01.50 | retcon | or rather was |
| 13:01.54 | Mexa | or was |
| 13:01.56 | retcon | I think they've learned |
| 13:01.57 | A1win | mapman_, I don't think there's any shorter way |
| 13:02.17 | mapman_ | then why do a switch and not just a if then elseif |
| 13:02.19 | A1win | but if you tell us what it's actually for, maybe there's a shorter way to do the whole thing |
| 13:02.30 | A1win | because a switch is shorter than a if then elseif :P |
| 13:02.34 | Mexa | It all started with Hotz, did it not? |
| 13:02.47 | A1win | switch *is* an if-then-elseif, just in disguise |
| 13:02.47 | Nash|327 | switch is better |
| 13:02.56 | Nash|327 | cleaner code |
| 13:02.57 | Mexa | switch is an ifelse |
| 13:02.59 | Nash|327 | less hassle |
| 13:02.59 | Mexa | But yeah |
| 13:03.00 | retcon | Mexa, I'm not sure |
| 13:03.00 | mapman_ | ok yea |
| 13:03.01 | Mexa | Cleaner |
| 13:03.05 | mapman_ | imma try it |
| 13:03.09 | mapman_ | first time using switcvh |
| 13:03.42 | Mexa | retcon, well, anon was engaged in the ddosing of their servers as a protest against Hotz |
| 13:03.45 | A1win | it's just the same as if-then-elseif but it only allows checking that one variable in each of the if statements |
| 13:03.50 | Mexa | *against the actions towards Hotz |
| 13:04.02 | Nash|327 | making a bunch of ifs with conditions is woefully more cumbersome than just a switch |
| 13:04.05 | Mexa | And as well, when they removed linux from the system |
| 13:04.06 | mapman_ | yea ok without the condition |
| 13:04.09 | Mexa | If I recall it right |
| 13:04.09 | mapman_ | i see |
| 13:04.15 | mapman_ | slightly quicker indeed |
| 13:04.16 | Mexa | Could be wrong, so never mind |
| 13:04.31 | retcon | Mexa, I don't think that 4chan had any major role in it, I'm assuming it's just some group branding themselves as Anonymous due to media image |
| 13:04.46 | Mexa | 4chan isn't anonymous nowadays |
| 13:04.59 | Mexa | anonymous only originated from there |
| 13:05.21 | retcon | it mostly stayed on 4chan |
| 13:05.31 | Mexa | It's all over the world. |
| 13:05.34 | Nash|327 | Anon isn't Anon |
| 13:05.36 | retcon | or other chans |
| 13:05.49 | Mexa | Anon is not having a leader |
| 13:05.53 | retcon | yeah, you can access 4chan all over the world |
| 13:05.55 | Mexa | either |
| 13:06.14 | Nash|327 | Just a bunch of bored people who do shit and call themselves Anon |
| 13:06.28 | retcon | the point is that there is no organisation by definition, so no statements are official |
| 13:06.36 | Nash|327 | competely ad hoc |
| 13:06.40 | Nash|327 | no membership |
| 13:06.44 | Nash|327 | no rules |
| 13:06.48 | Nash|327 | no structure |
| 13:07.23 | Mexa | retcon, well, there was a plan in the beginning |
| 13:07.32 | Mexa | If I understood ed right. |
| 13:08.02 | Mexa | Anyways, I don't want to talk about anon D: |
| 13:08.13 | retcon | Mexa, not really, it took off when people on Random found the Tom Cruise Scientology tape, if I remember correctly |
| 13:08.37 | retcon | either way, I am going to be away from keyboard for a while |
| 13:08.40 | Mexa | right, yeah, the church of scientology |
| 13:08.58 | Mexa | That was a pretty good thing tho |
| 13:09.23 | Mexa | Hey Nash |
| 13:09.26 | Mexa | Did you sleep yet? |
| 13:09.47 | *** join/#sc2mapster slightlyrandom (~random@62.66.252.177) |
| 13:10.37 | Nash|327 | A bit. |
| 13:10.51 | Nash|327 | Power naps. |
| 13:12.24 | Nash|327 | Mexagreek |
| 13:12.28 | Nash|327 | TESTAGE |
| 13:13.13 | Mexa | nothanks |
| 13:13.22 | Mexa | inputs zombie mode |
| 13:13.30 | Nash|327 | lies |
| 13:13.37 | Nash|327 | you covert greek |
| 13:13.44 | Mexa | Hey jademus? |
| 13:14.05 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 13:14.16 | Nash|327 | I am not fooled by your greek subterfuge D: |
| 13:15.26 | Mexa | Jademus, I thought it was somewhat amusing :> http://pastebin.com/fB1pGYc9 |
| 13:15.41 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 13:16.02 | Mexa | reminds me of playstation 3's random seed function |
| 13:16.05 | JademusSreg | That is clearly the best protection ever. |
| 13:16.21 | Mexa | Jade, that one is probably just made up, but it's still funnt |
| 13:16.28 | Mexa | Sony's on the other hand :> |
| 13:16.44 | Mexa | int GetRandomSeed() { return 4; } |
| 13:16.52 | JademusSreg | Srsly? |
| 13:16.57 | Mexa | And that is true |
| 13:16.58 | Mexa | :P |
| 13:17.00 | JademusSreg | Hahaha |
| 13:17.30 | Mexa | It was the last thing on the list they breached when the playstation hardware was cracked. |
| 13:17.33 | A1win | I remember some comic with that |
| 13:18.13 | Mexa | I wouldn't be surprised:p |
| 13:18.28 | A1win | I mean not about ps3, probably before that ;p |
| 13:18.59 | A1win | http://xkcd.com/221/ ah, xkcd of course |
| 13:20.08 | A1win | so if that ps3 thing was true, someone had probably put it there as a joke ;p |
| 13:20.36 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 13:20.47 | Mexa | I think they used that exact picture on the presentation about how the ps3 was breached hardware wise. |
| 13:23.55 | Brainshack1 | hey JademusSreg |
| 13:23.57 | Brainshack1 | abilcmd moveCmd = AbilityCommand("move", 0); |
| 13:24.05 | Brainshack1 | do you have any idea whats wrong with it? |
| 13:24.11 | Brainshack1 | gives me syntax errors |
| 13:24.12 | Brainshack1 | t.t |
| 13:24.26 | Brainshack1 | and i copied it from you 3rd person demo map |
| 13:24.36 | JademusSreg | Depends. |
| 13:24.50 | Brainshack1 | on what?^^ |
| 13:25.03 | JademusSreg | galaxy doesn't permit free local declaration, so it must be in the firstl ines of a function. |
| 13:25.17 | Brainshack1 | lol? |
| 13:25.38 | JademusSreg | If it's a global, then I expect the Syntax Error is refering to the wrong line, a problem Jass's syntax checker had in wc3. |
| 13:25.58 | Brainshack1 | no its inside a trigger |
| 13:27.09 | JademusSreg | So for instance, int i; i = 1; int j = 2; is invalid because j must be declared before the operation on i. |
| 13:28.09 | Brainshack1 | so in this case i would just need to put abimcmd moveCmd; in the top of the function? |
| 13:28.17 | JademusSreg | Naw. |
| 13:28.30 | JademusSreg | Show me the line preceding and proceeding. |
| 13:29.12 | Brainshack1 | http://pastebin.com/jUw0Zx9P |
| 13:29.15 | Brainshack1 | thats my trigger |
| 13:29.44 | JademusSreg | Ah, I see. Just move it's line to the top, then. |
| 13:30.28 | Brainshack1 | hm okay |
| 13:30.31 | Brainshack1 | ill try it |
| 13:31.06 | Brainshack1 | so i guess, order move = OrderTargetingPoint(command, PointWithOffset(unitPos, xOffset, yOffset)); shouldnt work either? |
| 13:31.39 | *** join/#sc2mapster Seyon (~chatzilla@175.176.244.83) |
| 13:31.49 | JademusSreg | Correct. You'll need to declare it first order move; at the top, and set its value down there. |
| 13:32.29 | JademusSreg | Though since you don't use the vlaue more than once, there's no reason why you couldn't give it directly to the function argument. |
| 13:32.47 | JademusSreg | (Though I admit, I do the same while prototyping and sometimes just for readability. |
| 13:32.49 | JademusSreg | ) |
| 13:34.12 | JademusSreg | Also, since moveCmd is always the same, there's no reason not to make it a pseudoconstant (pseudoconstant because galaxy pitches a fit when complex types are made constant). |
| 13:36.03 | *** join/#sc2mapster Bounty (442d670f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.45.103.15) |
| 13:36.10 | JademusSreg | Hi Bounty. |
| 13:36.18 | Brainshack1 | yeay |
| 13:36.18 | Bounty | Hello Jademus |
| 13:36.23 | Brainshack1 | wasd movement finally finished |
| 13:36.24 | Brainshack1 | xD |
| 13:36.26 | Bounty | Log on! =P |
| 13:36.33 | Bounty | i got something to show ya |
| 13:36.40 | Bounty | you're getting your wish lol |
| 13:38.26 | JademusSreg | kk |
| 13:41.15 | Ibe_PlayingSc2_b | so... |
| 13:41.23 | Ibe_PlayingSc2_b | I just got "planetarized" |
| 13:41.35 | Ibe_PlayingSc2_b | anyone know if that is legit play? |
| 13:41.41 | A1win | eh? |
| 13:41.45 | Ibe_PlayingSc2_b | Well |
| 13:41.53 | Ibe_PlayingSc2_b | the other player is terran |
| 13:42.05 | Ibe_PlayingSc2_b | and collect just enough money to build the planetary fortress |
| 13:42.10 | A1win | I don't think there is any nonlegit play on ladder, except for cheats ;p |
| 13:42.12 | Ibe_PlayingSc2_b | and lifts his command center off the map |
| 13:42.16 | Ibe_PlayingSc2_b | and send it to my base |
| 13:42.19 | Ibe_PlayingSc2_b | and builds it |
| 13:42.32 | Ibe_PlayingSc2_b | take note, my 2 minute game is flawless |
| 13:42.44 | Ibe_PlayingSc2_b | I have 2 zelots and all my probes attacking him |
| 13:43.02 | Ibe_PlayingSc2_b | and I got his command center down to half life, and all of a sudden his life is full again |
| 13:43.12 | Ibe_PlayingSc2_b | and hes got a freakin planetary fortress in my base. |
| 13:43.20 | Ibe_PlayingSc2_b | hes still on right now |
| 13:43.28 | Ibe_PlayingSc2_b | "maxing" out before he finnishes me off |
| 13:43.35 | Ibe_PlayingSc2_b | Ill be damned if I quit. |
| 13:43.47 | Ibe_PlayingSc2_b | Just wondering if bnet would give two shits about this "glitch" |
| 13:44.04 | Ibe_PlayingSc2_b | I mean, AT least his planettary fortress shouldnt "heal" to full upon upgrading... |
| 13:44.58 | Ibe_PlayingSc2_b | anyone? |
| 13:45.03 | A1win | zerg units and structures also heal to full when they morph |
| 13:45.08 | A1win | I guess pf does too |
| 13:45.12 | JademusSreg | What league are you in? |
| 13:45.23 | Ibe_PlayingSc2_b | freaking free ladder league |
| 13:45.32 | Ibe_PlayingSc2_b | I havent even gotten in the ladder |
| 13:45.35 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 13:45.48 | A1win | but dunno what's the proper counter for a PF rush =p |
| 13:45.49 | JademusSreg | So you got killed by some bronze/silver level cheese. |
| 13:45.50 | Ibe_PlayingSc2_b | How does one defend against such attack? |
| 13:46.09 | Motive | worst case, just deny them the victory |
| 13:46.12 | Motive | relocate to your expo |
| 13:46.13 | A1win | maybe a counter attack and rebase? |
| 13:46.19 | Motive | what's he going to do? lift off his pf? :p |
| 13:46.26 | Motive | you have more men, more economy |
| 13:46.29 | Motive | he's gg'd |
| 13:46.36 | Ibe_PlayingSc2_b | er... |
| 13:46.38 | Ibe_PlayingSc2_b | dude... |
| 13:46.43 | Ibe_PlayingSc2_b | free ladder, your walled in |
| 13:46.49 | Motive | oh |
| 13:46.51 | Motive | ditch free ladder |
| 13:46.51 | Ibe_PlayingSc2_b | and as I said, i was building zelots from the get go |
| 13:46.52 | Motive | that shit sucks |
| 13:46.55 | A1win | haha, true ;p |
| 13:46.56 | JademusSreg | Position a unit under his command center. =\ |
| 13:46.56 | Motive | just go to the placement leagues |
| 13:47.04 | Ibe_PlayingSc2_b | ah |
| 13:47.08 | Ibe_PlayingSc2_b | nice jade |
| 13:47.36 | A1win | but anyway I don't think the practice league is trying to be balanced for all strategies :P |
| 13:47.43 | Motive | yeah |
| 13:47.46 | Motive | practice league is BS because of the wall |
| 13:47.58 | Ibe_PlayingSc2_b | I know, everyone keeps building air units |
| 13:49.37 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 13:49.41 | JademusSreg | Novice maps. |
| 13:50.00 | Motive | So Jademus, I found a spare hard drive last night. Woo for 250GB of new space in HD #2! |
| 13:50.01 | Motive | Lol |
| 13:50.08 | Motive | Have like 900GB free now and nothing to do with it :( |
| 13:50.10 | JademusSreg | Sweet. |
| 13:50.19 | JademusSreg | Make videos. =D |
| 13:50.23 | Motive | Lololol |
| 13:50.29 | Motive | I need to steal a mic from my friend |
| 13:50.34 | Motive | or use the macbook trick again but that sucked |
| 13:51.15 | Ibe_PlayingSc2_b | this is bull... |
| 13:51.32 | Ibe_PlayingSc2_b | But I demand to let him keep building |
| 13:51.51 | Ibe_PlayingSc2_b | actually im loading utorrent right now |
| 13:51.55 | Ibe_PlayingSc2_b | gonna max my connection out |
| 13:52.02 | Ibe_PlayingSc2_b | he wont enjoy it at least |
| 13:52.04 | Ibe_PlayingSc2_b | :P |
| 13:52.07 | Motive | I wonder if I can setup RAID 0 on this and get a shitty performance boost out of it. Lol |
| 13:52.12 | JademusSreg | I'm gonna get another terrabyte drive when I allocate the funds. =D |
| 13:52.17 | Motive | Lol |
| 13:52.20 | Motive | I can't afford anything new QQ |
| 13:52.27 | Motive | Always spending :( |
| 13:52.53 | Ibe_PlayingSc2_b | dont mind if I time out a few times :P |
| 13:53.14 | Ibe_PlayingSc2_b | 250kbs |
| 13:53.18 | Ibe_PlayingSc2_b | 300kbs |
| 13:53.25 | Ibe_PlayingSc2_b | 320kbs |
| 13:53.30 | Ibe_PlayingSc2_b | argh |
| 13:53.33 | Ibe_PlayingSc2_b | youtube it is |
| 13:53.41 | Ibe_PlayingSc2_b | 350 |
| 13:54.00 | Motive | Lol |
| 13:54.11 | Motive | My connection can't be maxed out to a point where it affects SC2. |
| 13:54.23 | Motive | And I have IPv6 now, too. :D |
| 13:54.34 | JademusSreg | My connection is shitty, but servicable. |
| 13:54.38 | Motive | Lol |
| 13:54.43 | Motive | I can upload at like 1 MB/s. It's quite OP. |
| 13:54.53 | Ibe_PlayingSc2_b | fuck |
| 13:54.56 | Ibe_PlayingSc2_b | i cant lag out |
| 13:54.57 | Ibe_PlayingSc2_b | weird |
| 13:54.58 | Mexa | IPv6 will only be available on servers supporting IPv6 tho, right? |
| 13:55.02 | Mexa | and ISP |
| 13:55.06 | Ibe_PlayingSc2_b | I always lag out when I dont want to |
| 13:55.09 | Motive | iirc WoW already supports IPv6 |
| 13:55.11 | Motive | so I imagine Sc2 does too |
| 13:55.17 | Mexa | iirc? |
| 13:55.21 | Motive | if I recall correctly |
| 13:55.28 | Mexa | ah |
| 13:55.29 | JademusSreg | I live in the Rocky Mountains. Internet here will be shitty for decades. |
| 13:55.44 | Motive | IPv6 is just at the stage where it starts getting pushed to CDNs and content providers like blizz |
| 13:55.48 | Motive | and consumer testing |
| 13:55.49 | Motive | I got lucky |
| 13:55.59 | Motive | Lol Jademus |
| 13:56.01 | Motive | COLORADO? |
| 13:56.17 | JademusSreg | Nope, but I've been there too. |
| 13:56.19 | Mexa | You still seem to have ipv4 on here tho. |
| 13:56.21 | Ibe_PlayingSc2_b | lol, hes JUMPING!!! |
| 13:56.29 | Motive | Where? :P |
| 13:57.01 | Mexa | ~motive@c-68-36-169-50.hsd1.nj.comcast.net |
| 13:57.07 | Motive | yeah my ISP gives it away |
| 13:57.08 | Motive | Lol |
| 13:57.22 | Mexa | As do mine anyways |
| 13:57.28 | Mexa | And pretty much everyone in here |
| 13:57.43 | Mexa | With the exception of Griffen and Zoxc |
| 13:57.47 | Mexa | And probably a few more |
| 13:57.52 | Motive | Jademus |
| 13:57.52 | Motive | Lol |
| 13:58.02 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 13:58.38 | Mexa | Zoxc, telenor is nice enough to disguise your info :v |
| 13:58.51 | Motive | Wherever I move, it must be near a major ISP hub. I need my internets. Lol |
| 13:59.33 | Mexa | Motive, but have you been feeling any benefits from using ipv6 so far? |
| 13:59.41 | Mexa | I know it is supposingly more secure. |
| 13:59.48 | Mexa | but anything else? |
| 13:59.52 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 13:59.57 | Zoxc | I want fiber from them :D |
| 14:00.19 | Motive | The only benefit I get is visiting http://aaaa.test-ipv6.com/ instead of http://test-ipv6.com/ and getting about ~10ms added latency to the DNS lookups sometimes |
| 14:00.25 | Ibe_PlayingSc2_b | finnaly |
| 14:00.57 | Mexa | oh |
| 14:01.00 | Mexa | so it's negative? |
| 14:01.16 | Motive | in some cases, due to poor adoption of IPv6, but not really noticeable unless you break out ping -6 |
| 14:01.32 | Mexa | can't visit the aaaa ipv6 site, I guess because I don't have it |
| 14:01.38 | Motive | yup |
| 14:01.40 | Motive | AAAA = ipv6 only |
| 14:01.51 | Mexa | yeah |
| 14:02.10 | JademusSreg | 7/10 |
| 14:02.33 | Motive | yeah I'm at 7/10 with IPv6 since I'm not native. I'm stuck using ISP's 6to4 atm |
| 14:02.36 | Motive | but it's stable at least. |
| 14:02.47 | JademusSreg | Yup. |
| 14:03.01 | Mexa | 10/10 |
| 14:03.04 | Mexa | and 0/10 |
| 14:03.26 | Bounty | JademusSreg, how many players do you think my map should be? |
| 14:03.28 | Bounty | the original was 8 |
| 14:03.32 | Mexa | Strangely enough, it found my ipv6 after I ran the test a second time |
| 14:03.34 | Mexa | :V? |
| 14:03.41 | Motive | lolwtf |
| 14:04.13 | JademusSreg | I think testing will be required to find an optimal number, but 8 is a good place to start testing. |
| 14:04.22 | Motive | I think 8 is perfect for Photon Cycles. |
| 14:04.36 | JademusSreg | Yeah, 8 is a great number for a match. |
| 14:04.38 | Motive | I dunno why but whenever I join people are always like "go with 5, go with 5" and then we go with 5, and two fags ragequit |
| 14:04.42 | Mexa | That's what I have seen people go for as well |
| 14:04.53 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 14:04.54 | Mexa | 8 people gives fun and not so much lag between players |
| 14:05.34 | JademusSreg | Man, playing big matches full of good players is so intense. |
| 14:05.40 | Motive | It really is. Lol |
| 14:06.05 | Motive | you know what sucks about IPv6? |
| 14:06.25 | Motive | my router's IP is now fe80::3246:9aff:fe09:da5d%11 |
| 14:06.25 | JademusSreg | Playing regular pub stomps I can score 17-1-1-0-0-0-0-0 (there was one crash in that match). |
| 14:06.36 | Mexa | http://www.sophos.com/en-us/security-news-trends/security-trends/why-switch-to-ipv6.aspx |
| 14:06.37 | Motive | I mean wtf :( |
| 14:06.40 | Motive | I miss 192.168 |
| 14:06.46 | Mexa | lol |
| 14:07.02 | Mexa | nabnabnab Motive :> |
| 14:07.45 | Motive | :P |
| 14:07.58 | JademusSreg | I lost 3 games yesterday, haha. |
| 14:08.06 | Motive | :O |
| 14:09.04 | *** join/#sc2mapster XenoX101_a (XenoX101@ppp118-209-142-105.lns20.mel6.internode.on.net) |
| 14:09.10 | JademusSreg | Ever get that feeling where you lose to someone yuou've beaten before, and wonder if they're getting better or if you're getting worse? |
| 14:09.17 | Motive | Yes. |
| 14:09.19 | Motive | All the time. |
| 14:09.38 | Motive | I once lost to my friend Sam in SC2. He thinks the answer to everything is more Thors. |
| 14:09.42 | Motive | Zergling spam? MORE THORS |
| 14:10.01 | Motive | alternatively, more battlecruisers, should he not be able to make thors |
| 14:10.40 | JademusSreg | But zerglings massacre Thors. =\ |
| 14:11.02 | Mexa | Ugh, my stomach is twitching :| |
| 14:11.05 | Motive | WHAT? NO. MORE THORS DAMNIT |
| 14:11.18 | Mexa | Too little to eat, too much coffee to drink |
| 14:11.47 | JademusSreg | I drink coffee, eat sunflower seeds. =D |
| 14:11.57 | Mexa | Hmm |
| 14:12.01 | Motive | I make cappuccinos. Arrr. |
| 14:12.07 | Mexa | I'll go for some cereals this time |
| 14:12.14 | JademusSreg | I am a salty motherfucker. |
| 14:13.05 | Mexa | Might find some muslü with sunflowers |
| 14:13.38 | Mexa | *Müsli |
| 14:13.39 | Mexa | lols |
| 14:13.46 | JademusSreg | Hah |
| 14:14.09 | Mexa | Oh well, it has pineapple, papaya and raisins |
| 14:14.12 | Mexa | good enough |
| 14:15.14 | JademusSreg | Motive, if you play any Photon Cycles today, let me know. =D |
| 14:15.18 | Mexa | And then some filmjölk to that, and it's all good :> |
| 14:15.32 | Ibe_PlayingSc2_b | didnt work... hmm |
| 14:15.39 | Ibe_PlayingSc2_b | damn terran can move |
| 14:15.56 | Motive | I will :D |
| 14:16.03 | JademusSreg | Until then, I'll be working on the update. |
| 14:16.12 | Motive | Need to figure out some expenses first. Lol |
| 14:16.24 | Motive | Need to make $2700 worth more like $3700. :P |
| 14:16.38 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 14:24.41 | Motive | Damn you Google, damn you. |
| 14:24.56 | Motive | I've earned $74.46 through AdSense, but I can't have any of it until it's $100 :( |
| 14:25.05 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 14:25.25 | Motive | Prolly another 3 months to go on that. |
| 14:25.26 | Motive | Lol |
| 14:28.20 | Mexa | Guys, I need some advice on naming decisions in C# |
| 14:28.36 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 14:28.46 | Ibe_PlayingSc2_b | I have this cool trick |
| 14:28.57 | Ibe_PlayingSc2_b | i get warp gates and an observer and dt's |
| 14:28.59 | Mexa | @the dialog toolkit, since I am mimicing dialogs and dialog controls, I'd somehow want a base class they both inherit from |
| 14:29.04 | Ibe_PlayingSc2_b | and warp in his "walled" in base |
| 14:29.05 | Ibe_PlayingSc2_b | :P |
| 14:29.13 | JademusSreg | My advice is to use as obscene naming conventions as possible. |
| 14:29.15 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 14:29.23 | Mexa | Well |
| 14:29.33 | Mexa | I wanted to call the vase class just Control |
| 14:29.47 | Mexa | But it might be confusing for a few reasons |
| 14:30.03 | Mexa | One of them being that .net framework already have Controls |
| 14:30.04 | Mexa | D: |
| 14:30.15 | JademusSreg | Ew, yeah. |
| 14:30.34 | Motive | Why are people idolizing LulzSec again? |
| 14:30.34 | Motive | Lol |
| 14:30.34 | JademusSreg | That's why I prefer two word names. |
| 14:30.37 | Motive | I'm reading #antisec. |
| 14:30.39 | mapman_ | hello |
| 14:30.40 | Mexa | In which I also use now (temporarily or permanently) for forms. |
| 14:30.44 | Mexa | Motive |
| 14:30.46 | Mexa | yeah |
| 14:31.03 | Mexa | motvie, http://pastebin.com/9KyA0E5v |
| 14:31.10 | mapman_ | i just red that the lulzsec guy got arrested |
| 14:31.13 | Motive | I mean, I got the logic when it was just Anonymous taking down the Westboro Baptist Church, but once you've targetted the FBI and other businesses, it's on. |
| 14:31.38 | Mexa | The guy arrested might or might not be affiliated with LulzSec |
| 14:31.50 | Motive | Yeah, personally, I hope LulzSec gets arrested and faces some harsh penalties. |
| 14:31.50 | Mexa | The thing is, if he were, they would have no reason to admit they lost a man |
| 14:31.54 | mapman_ | yea just ssaying |
| 14:32.03 | mapman_ | a 19 YO in his mother basement |
| 14:32.05 | mapman_ | lulz |
| 14:32.14 | Mexa | http://lulzsecexposed.blogspot.com/ if these sources are correct |
| 14:32.41 | Mexa | Topiary was apparantly already known for being a criminal here in sweden. |
| 14:33.04 | Mexa | iiuip |
| 14:33.24 | Motive | I just hate that people are so stupid to think that LulzSec stands for anything but "luls". |
| 14:33.39 | Motive | It's in line with people thinking a DDOS attack is a form of freedom of speech. |
| 14:33.40 | Motive | Lol |
| 14:33.50 | slightlyrandom | It can be |
| 14:33.55 | mapman_ | freedom of speeach isnt lulz |
| 14:33.56 | Mexa | Well, isn't that what they say it it? |
| 14:33.56 | slightlyrandom | Or rather, freedom of expression |
| 14:33.58 | mapman_ | its mportant |
| 14:34.03 | Motive | DDOS run by one group isn't freedom of speech |
| 14:34.13 | slightlyrandom | Similar to blocking access to a shop to state a point |
| 14:34.14 | JademusSreg | "I'm going to yell nonsense at you until you lapse into unconsciousness." |
| 14:34.18 | slightlyrandom | haha |
| 14:34.24 | Mexa | Motive, #antisec targeted a bunch of government sites this night |
| 14:34.25 | Motive | DDOS orchestated by say, mass e-mailing pleas to whitehouse.gov which happens to take out their mail server? fine |
| 14:34.26 | slightlyrandom | Wish that was possible |
| 14:34.30 | Motive | yeah |
| 14:34.35 | Motive | it just seems like they're fighting for anarchy now |
| 14:34.46 | slightlyrandom | As good a cause as any |
| 14:34.52 | Motive | Not really. Lol |
| 14:34.53 | Motive | We need rule of law. |
| 14:34.58 | Mexa | corrupt banks, governments and large business companies |
| 14:35.03 | slightlyrandom | No we fucking don't |
| 14:35.16 | slightlyrandom | Law is what simple and weak men hide behind to avoid making decisions |
| 14:35.17 | Mexa | or corrupt by their definition |
| 14:35.30 | Motive | I understand and support Wikileaks and other groups like that, or even Anonymous' attacks on the Westboro Baptist church |
| 14:35.39 | Motive | but to go so far to say that I want anarchy? Fuck that shit. |
| 14:35.42 | slightlyrandom | If the law merely makes that which should not be done into that which is punishable, then what is the bleedin' point ? |
| 14:35.43 | Mexa | Tho, I think they managed to leak something about the japanese nuclear reactor thingy which wasn't revealed to the public :v |
| 14:36.16 | Motive | The law codifies what is acceptable and what is not in our society. |
| 14:36.18 | slightlyrandom | Law is the unecesarry shield, that allows for misuse and malpractice |
| 14:36.22 | slightlyrandom | No |
| 14:36.22 | Mexa | Motive, and the church of scientology :>? |
| 14:36.30 | Motive | Eh, I don't care about 'em either :p |
| 14:36.46 | slightlyrandom | Or rather, yes, but the act of codifying makes it too rigid to be truly useful |
| 14:36.56 | Motive | Show me one proof of concept society where lawlessness works. |
| 14:36.57 | Motive | One. |
| 14:36.57 | Motive | Lol |
| 14:37.03 | slightlyrandom | You go from a society of moral men, to a society of law-abiding sheep |
| 14:37.07 | Motive | It's unheard of. |
| 14:37.13 | Motive | Because people don't all share the same morals. |
| 14:37.21 | Motive | It's all relative. |
| 14:37.22 | slightlyrandom | So? |
| 14:37.30 | Mexa | So JademusSreg, should I cover my classes up with namespaces? |
| 14:37.31 | Motive | So we need law to tell us what acceptable behavior is in our society. |
| 14:37.32 | slightlyrandom | That makes law the tyranny of the majority, doesn't it ? |
| 14:37.40 | Motive | Yes, but it's for the good of the society as a whole. |
| 14:37.41 | JademusSreg | Yus. |
| 14:37.41 | Mexa | Like, say Galaxy.Control? |
| 14:37.48 | slightlyrandom | That way lies damnation |
| 14:37.54 | Motive | That way you are ultimately responsible for your actions. |
| 14:38.01 | slightlyrandom | Most bad thing, ever, was done for the good of society |
| 14:38.04 | Motive | You know what you may do will ultimately carry a punishment by the law. |
| 14:38.09 | slightlyrandom | That utilitarianism, and it fucking sucks |
| 14:38.11 | JademusSreg | That's what I would do. |
| 14:38.14 | Motive | Is it wrong? That's for you to decide. |
| 14:38.15 | Mexa | good |
| 14:38.18 | Mexa | ^^ |
| 14:38.19 | Motive | But is it illegal? The law says that. |
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| 14:39.09 | Motive | Also, even if you are put on trial, you'll be put in front of a jury of your peers, who, if they think it really isn't that bad, can always practice jury nullification. |
| 14:39.10 | Mexa | We others are all moral fags |
| 14:39.12 | Mexa | Except anon |
| 14:39.14 | Mexa | ._. |
| 14:39.19 | slightlyrandom | Yeah, no |
| 14:39.38 | Mexa | According to anon I think. |
| 14:39.47 | Mexa | Or someone at twitter |
| 14:39.55 | Mexa | Meh, blergh, blopfd |
| 14:39.58 | Motive | It's easy to judge what's right and wrong at the lowest levels. ie. don't kill, don't steal |
| 14:40.05 | Motive | but as you go higher up into things we've created, ex. foreign exchange |
| 14:40.09 | Motive | there really does need to be law. |
| 14:40.09 | slightlyrandom | The problem with law is that only those who go around trying to punish people know what the fuck it says |
| 14:40.12 | Motive | If only for standardization |
| 14:40.22 | Mexa | Hey Motive, did you hear about the bitcoin crash yesterday? |
| 14:40.27 | Motive | Yeah I did |
| 14:40.27 | Motive | Lol |
| 14:40.30 | Mexa | It went down to a value of 1 cent :3 |
| 14:40.31 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 14:40.38 | Motive | Anarchy of currency! |
| 14:40.42 | Motive | It's ok, the dollar's only worth a penny now! |
| 14:40.46 | Motive | Still worht something right? |
| 14:40.51 | slightlyrandom | If the law was simple enough to be required to be known by heart by any and all members of society, I could respect it |
| 14:40.57 | Mexa | I think in fact they managed to get it up again to be normal |
| 14:41.02 | Motive | A law that simple wouldn't be functional. |
| 14:41.02 | Mexa | But they had a security flaw |
| 14:41.13 | slightlyrandom | Barring that, ignorance of the law is a stick to beat you over the head with |
| 14:41.29 | slightlyrandom | And EVERYONE is ignorant of the law |
| 14:41.36 | Motive | Most people can't even memorize our constitution. |
| 14:41.40 | Motive | And that barely covers our rights either. |
| 14:41.50 | Motive | So I have no faith in any law that people can actually memorize. |
| 14:42.00 | slightlyrandom | And yet, most people aren't total dickheads in their day to day life |
| 14:42.00 | Mexa | I wouldn't remember all the laws in sweden by hand even if I read it over. |
| 14:42.14 | Mexa | But I know many of them, due to common sense. |
| 14:42.15 | Motive | There's no proof of concept for any society without laws, in the world. |
| 14:42.25 | Motive | It just couldn't work, even if it's a nice idea that we're all civilized. |
| 14:42.34 | Motive | But I mean, look at what happens when power goes out in a major city. You get riots, looting. |
| 14:42.40 | Motive | The fact is, we're just a bunch of savages who are controlled by the law. |
| 14:42.46 | slightlyrandom | Strawman argument |
| 14:43.00 | slightlyrandom | Claim: Noone knows the law |
| 14:43.05 | JademusSreg | Laws exist not to infringe upon the rights of others but to secure those rights against the unlawful infringements of others. At the highest levels of legistlation, these are simply rules which govern information and economic systems. |
| 14:43.10 | slightlyrandom | Claim: Society runs fairly smoothly regardless |
| 14:43.36 | JademusSreg | It is as necessary to society as the nuclei of ones cells. |
| 14:43.46 | slightlyrandom | What you're talking about, with the looting, isn't an absence of law, but an absence of social restrictions |
| 14:43.46 | Motive | Ok, look what happened during Hurricane Katrina in Louisiana, you have police officers shooting innocent people, and widespread looting to the point where the national guard had to be called in. |
| 14:43.58 | Mexa | Jade, you're getting all fancy now. |
| 14:44.00 | Motive | No rule of law, no enforcement of law, and that happened. |
| 14:44.05 | slightlyrandom | Whats missing isn't law, it's human decency |
| 14:44.14 | Motive | Without human decency, we need the rule of law. |
| 14:44.23 | slightlyrandom | No |
| 14:44.41 | slightlyrandom | What you're asking for is a military rule |
| 14:44.43 | slightlyrandom | Rule of force |
| 14:45.01 | slightlyrandom | You're mistaken the lack of order for the lack of law |
| 14:45.07 | slightlyrandom | They are not the same |
| 14:45.37 | slightlyrandom | It is not the law that keeps society in check |
| 14:45.44 | Motive | In a society without laws, you'd end up having so many gray areas it'd be impossible to enforce any kind of action. |
| 14:45.50 | slightlyrandom | It is the unwritten moral rules of society that does that |
| 14:45.59 | Motive | You'd end up lost in a swamp of "it's not really bad, but it had some bad effects, but maybe he didn't know it was wrong..." |
| 14:46.35 | slightlyrandom | When you rely on the law for your moral compass, you end up with a joke of a society |
| 14:46.48 | Motive | I don't rely on the law as a moral compass, and I don't suggest anyone do that. |
| 14:46.56 | slightlyrandom | One where the letter of the law is above human dignity and moral rules |
| 14:46.59 | Motive | I agree with that. Morality is separate from the law. |
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| 14:47.32 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 14:47.35 | JademusSreg | pew pew |
| 14:47.42 | Motive | But consider, for example, the southern US, post-civil war. Who, without rule of law, would've integrated the schools? |
| 14:47.45 | slightlyrandom | Society can enforce its morals without the use of raw force required by the rule of law |
| 14:47.53 | Motive | Who would've ensured that mob violence didn't kill people every day because of color? |
| 14:47.59 | Motive | Or that people weren't denied the right to vote based on color? |
| 14:48.00 | Mexa | Hey Jademus |
| 14:48.03 | JademusSreg | Hi. |
| 14:48.15 | Mexa | Now comes the next issue @ the naming |
| 14:48.24 | Motive | Sometimes, law lets us force changes in our morals for the better. |
| 14:48.29 | Mexa | If I have a base class I call Galaxy.Control |
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| 14:48.34 | slightlyrandom | Point. |
| 14:48.44 | Mexa | And then a Galaxy.Dialog : Galaxy.Control |
| 14:48.56 | Mexa | What will I call the actual dialog controls? |
| 14:49.02 | slightlyrandom | But, I would say that the law was a fairly big contributing factor in causing the situation to begin with |
| 14:49.03 | JademusSreg | random's position is disconnected from reality, or rather, the reality that functioning adults experience. |
| 14:49.12 | slightlyrandom | I'd agree there |
| 14:49.27 | Mexa | Galaxy.DialogControl : Galaxy.Control? <.< |
| 14:49.30 | slightlyrandom | I have the luck to not have been totally corrupted by "the way things are done" yet |
| 14:49.41 | Motive | The law was manipulated in order to suit the white racist majority's desires. |
| 14:49.43 | Motive | Yes. |
| 14:50.10 | Motive | Or before that, to legalize slavery and make a joke out of the state of Virginia's representation between present-day West Virginia and the slave-owning parts of Virginia |
| 14:50.27 | JademusSreg | Probably; like I said, I use two word naming conventions. =D |
| 14:50.53 | Mexa | Yeah |
| 14:51.07 | Mexa | I just don't like the mixture of Control, Dialog, and DialogControl |
| 14:51.25 | Motive | But ultimately, laws like the Constitution serve to protect human rights where an imperfect world denies them. And imperfect laws exist to keep those in power powerful. It's a tradeoff but IMO, a necessary once. |
| 14:51.26 | Motive | one* |
| 14:52.03 | Motive | In any case, the American system has it's problems, but they could be resolved if the electorate actually educated themselves rather than voting Red or Blue depending on their favorite color |
| 14:52.17 | slightlyrandom | Not good enough |
| 14:52.20 | slightlyrandom | That wouldn't do it |
| 14:52.32 | slightlyrandom | And anyway, there you have the main issue |
| 14:52.40 | Rnuomer | wat r we talking about? |
| 14:52.46 | Motive | Lol |
| 14:52.51 | Motive | We've having a debate :D |
| 14:52.55 | Motive | We're* |
| 14:53.00 | Mexa | AHA |
| 14:53.04 | Mexa | I will call it a Component |
| 14:53.13 | slightlyrandom | The political issue, as well as law, are tools that take away the reason to be engaged in the business of steering society |
| 14:53.15 | Mexa | that will due.. |
| 14:53.39 | Mexa | Better draw thing thingy upp |
| 14:53.40 | slightlyrandom | You ship responsibility out the door, to institutions set up to take care of these things for you |
| 14:53.58 | slightlyrandom | This is fundamentally the wrong way to run the world |
| 14:54.09 | Motive | The problem presently is that everything is simplified down to political-correct terms that even the most uneducated person can pretend to understand, rather than being left in the hands of qualified individuals who understand the issue at hand. |
| 14:54.23 | JademusSreg | Motive, concise as your position is, it is pointless; like I said, random's position is that of a person without any appreciation for the subtlety of mechanisms of society. |
| 14:54.30 | slightlyrandom | You cannot be a qualified, informed individual in todays society |
| 14:54.42 | slightlyrandom | These qualities only come with the actual acts of running your own world |
| 14:55.02 | Motive | It's easy for the masses to vote on legislation against murder, and child kidnapping, but ask them to vote on offshore drilling, and it's just a giant orgy of idiots rather than having qualified engineers come in and compare pros and cons. |
| 14:55.04 | slightlyrandom | World here probably being a rather local one |
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| 14:55.16 | Motive | And the problem is there is no more local world. |
| 14:55.23 | slightlyrandom | Sure there is |
| 14:55.23 | Motive | Even your local grocery store ships products in from foreign countries. |
| 14:55.28 | slightlyrandom | Local just has a new meaning |
| 14:55.30 | Motive | I have bananas from Ecuador. |
| 14:55.35 | Motive | Grapefruit from Texas. |
| 14:55.38 | Motive | I'm in New Jersey. |
| 14:55.45 | Motive | I buy web hosting from Atlanta, GA. |
| 14:55.46 | Rnuomerbunny | so wait |
| 14:55.47 | JademusSreg | You may as well argue ontological empiricism with a coconut. |
| 14:55.52 | Rnuomerbunny | wat is random's position? |
| 14:56.01 | Motive | There's no such thing as local. |
| 14:56.08 | slightlyrandom | Sure there is |
| 14:56.13 | slightlyrandom | It's just local in a different system |
| 14:56.18 | slightlyrandom | Not geographically local |
| 14:56.26 | slightlyrandom | But local network-wise |
| 14:56.50 | slightlyrandom | Socially local |
| 14:56.57 | Motive | If there are six degrees of separation between every person on the planet, and we're not arguing geographically, I'd argue that network's pretty much global in nature, not local. |
| 14:57.15 | slightlyrandom | That's true statistically |
| 14:57.20 | slightlyrandom | But untrue none the less |
| 14:57.35 | Rnuomerbunny | I'm not sure wat slightlyrandom's overall wat he's saying is |
| 14:57.42 | slightlyrandom | Hah, neither am I |
| 14:57.48 | Motive | It's just impossible to do anything "locally" nowadays. |
| 14:57.49 | Motive | Lol |
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| 14:57.54 | Motive | Even socially. |
| 14:58.15 | slightlyrandom | Local is a connectedness question these days |
| 14:58.17 | Motive | I'm on IRC with a few friends like Jademus, and here I'm debating you, who I honestly didn't know existed until 30 minutes ago. |
| 14:58.26 | slightlyrandom | You don't know I exist yet |
| 14:58.32 | Motive | Even better :p |
| 14:58.34 | slightlyrandom | Point stands, of course |
| 14:58.56 | Rnuomer | I'm interested in how this started |
| 14:59.01 | Motive | I make so many trips south you could even argue that every state in the eastern seaboard is local for me. |
| 14:59.02 | Motive | Lol |
| 14:59.06 | Motive | It started with LulzSec. |
| 14:59.08 | Motive | Fucking Lulzsec. |
| 14:59.10 | slightlyrandom | Haha |
| 14:59.13 | slightlyrandom | They have won! |
| 14:59.17 | Motive | GOD HELP US ALL |
| 14:59.29 | Rnuomer | how they won |
| 14:59.34 | slightlyrandom | Anyway, I'll give you that the world is smaller geographically and communations wise |
| 14:59.51 | slightlyrandom | But it is still limited by connectedness |
| 14:59.59 | slightlyrandom | You evaluate information based on sources |
| 15:00.20 | slightlyrandom | This is a new structure, in which, in a sense, there is more or less local places |
| 15:00.42 | Motive | In all honesty, I get most of my sources now from reddit, which is another global network. Lol |
| 15:00.54 | Motive | Now that I think about I can't think of a single thing I truly do locally. |
| 15:00.56 | slightlyrandom | But a network based on certain principles |
| 15:01.18 | slightlyrandom | Reddit isn't just a random collection of people |
| 15:01.28 | slightlyrandom | It's a collection of people who have something in common |
| 15:01.31 | Motive | It's a collection of mostly 18-30yr olds in a certain demographic, yeah |
| 15:01.37 | slightlyrandom | This is your new local |
| 15:01.45 | Motive | But I disagree with them all the time, too |
| 15:01.46 | Motive | Lol |
| 15:01.57 | slightlyrandom | They still influence the way you think |
| 15:02.01 | Motive | This is true |
| 15:02.22 | slightlyrandom | In the sense that their opinions and thoughts are the system you relate to when you state what you believe |
| 15:02.57 | Motive | Still trying to think of a single thing I do locally. |
| 15:03.00 | Motive | Seriously, this is tough. |
| 15:03.10 | slightlyrandom | You have a "local" group of friends |
| 15:03.19 | Motive | Not exactly. Haha |
| 15:03.29 | slightlyrandom | Forget the geographic meaning of local |
| 15:03.33 | Motive | My friends are spread out over the entirety of New Jersey and New York. |
| 15:03.35 | Rnuomer | wat is/are the point(s) being given here? |
| 15:03.38 | slightlyrandom | Once you remove that connection, it becomes easier |
| 15:03.52 | slightlyrandom | Who knows? |
| 15:04.37 | slightlyrandom | Anyway, my point was that law is a crutch, and like all "crutches" using it makes your "legs" weaker |
| 15:04.48 | slightlyrandom | I hope that makes sense |
| 15:04.51 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 15:05.06 | Motive | And my point was that in a simple society, the law wouldn't be necessary. Ex: a small group of people. But society today is complex, and necessitates law by nature. |
| 15:05.17 | Rnuomer | wait so |
| 15:05.28 | slightlyrandom | That might very well be the case |
| 15:05.46 | slightlyrandom | Still, point stands that law doesn't have to encompass those issues which are NOT complex |
| 15:05.54 | Motive | Oh, but it does. |
| 15:05.54 | Rnuomer | if there were no law telling me people should be alive besides me, y I won't kill people? |
| 15:06.09 | slightlyrandom | Rnuomer: Would you kill people if there was no law saying you couldn't ? |
| 15:06.09 | Motive | Consider insider trading. If I hear two people talking about how they're going to declare bankruptcy tomorrow, and sell their stock today, am I wrong? |
| 15:06.13 | Motive | The law must exist for reasons like that. |
| 15:06.16 | Rnuomer | yes |
| 15:06.19 | Motive | It's easy to use the "I wouldn't kill someone" argument. |
| 15:06.26 | slightlyrandom | Yes |
| 15:06.32 | slightlyrandom | It's also easy to do the opposite |
| 15:06.42 | Motive | Society can't exist without complexity. |
| 15:06.49 | slightlyrandom | Don't pin it on me, I didn't bring it up |
| 15:07.01 | Rnuomer | honestly would kill people if no one would stop me c:= |
| 15:07.03 | slightlyrandom | Not the kind of society we have, no |
| 15:07.10 | Motive | There's a whole business of exchanging currency between the Euro and Dollar, and it has to be regulated in order to ensure the health of both "local" currencies. |
| 15:07.20 | Rnuomer | ohh I see |
| 15:07.20 | slightlyrandom | Rnuomer: That might have social consequences you haven't quite thought through |
| 15:07.43 | slightlyrandom | How would your friends and family respond, for instance |
| 15:07.54 | slightlyrandom | What kind of people could you socialize with, were it known that you kill ? |
| 15:07.55 | Rnuomer | slightlyrandom: how would they know it was me? they have no real motivation or experience to find evidence, etc. |
| 15:08.01 | slightlyrandom | Sure they do |
| 15:08.03 | Motive | Your arguments work for a small, isolated group of reasonable individuals, slightlyrandom. |
| 15:08.03 | slightlyrandom | Gossip |
| 15:08.09 | Motive | Introduce a meth addict to the mix, and it all falls apart. |
| 15:08.18 | Motive | The meth addict kills everyone, steals their money, buys more meth, and gets high. |
| 15:08.25 | JademusSreg | Mm, meth. |
| 15:08.26 | slightlyrandom | I'm trying to argue that there are social contracts and processes that regulate behaviour |
| 15:08.34 | Ashamed | ok when zaratu runs his fucking blade has this light the shoots out of it.. where would i go to scale that down? |
| 15:08.37 | Motive | There are, but they're not strong enough to regulate, say, a meth addict :P |
| 15:09.02 | Rnuomer | crazies gunna craze |
| 15:09.04 | slightlyrandom | Or a raging lunatic of any kind, right |
| 15:09.17 | Motive | Or even a reasonable individual who had a screw loose. |
| 15:09.18 | slightlyrandom | But, they aren't regulated by law either, are they ? |
| 15:09.23 | Motive | They are. |
| 15:09.27 | slightlyrandom | So what are you arguing here ? |
| 15:09.31 | Motive | Because when they break the law, we muster a force to bring them to justice. |
| 15:09.39 | slightlyrandom | This is not a product of law |
| 15:09.42 | Motive | In most cases, the force is a ticket or a summons to court, but in severe cases, it's armed individuals. |
| 15:09.44 | slightlyrandom | This could be done without law, easily |
| 15:09.47 | Ashamed | why we talking about meth heads? |
| 15:09.51 | Motive | Not with as much restraint or guidelines. |
| 15:09.52 | Rnuomer | Wat is "law" to you? |
| 15:09.56 | slightlyrandom | They are wildcards |
| 15:10.02 | Motive | Today's police officers don't shoot murders, they use every available opportunity to bring them in alive. |
| 15:10.06 | slightlyrandom | Eh, methheads that is |
| 15:10.11 | Motive | Personally, I'd kill the murderer. |
| 15:10.18 | Motive | Police are regulated by rule of law, again. |
| 15:10.23 | Motive | What if I was wrong, and killed an innocent man? |
| 15:10.26 | Motive | This is why we have law. |
| 15:10.54 | Rnuomer | also, slightlyrandom, even if we get rid of law... wat would happen? |
| 15:10.56 | slightlyrandom | If you killed a murderer, you'd be subject to exactly the same kind of response from society around you |
| 15:11.11 | Ashamed | anyone know the answer to my question? |
| 15:11.15 | Motive | We have police so that a suspect has the opportunity to surrender to a group he knows will not kill him and dump him in a ditch. Without police, without law, he wouldn't know that about anyone. He wouldn't be able to trust anyone to surrender to. |
| 15:11.37 | Motive | Which would lead to him probably trying to escape at any cost, even killing more people. |
| 15:11.45 | slightlyrandom | The group of people I trust the least in this society, would probably be the police |
| 15:11.46 | Motive | 'cause damn right society's going to "judge" him harshly. |
| 15:11.59 | Motive | Police aren't perfect but at least there's recourse for a citizen to control the police through law. |
| 15:12.05 | Motive | You can't control a mob. |
| 15:12.16 | slightlyrandom | This is perfect democracy retoric |
| 15:12.35 | slightlyrandom | Flawed argument due to flawed foundations |
| 15:12.44 | Motive | Democracy isn't perfect but it's a hell of a lot better than anarchy. |
| 15:12.53 | slightlyrandom | (Which, I grant, could be said for this side of the fence, too) |
| 15:12.59 | Rnuomer | can I ask a question relevant to topic at hand? |
| 15:12.59 | JademusSreg | I think random's positions boils down to "people don't need laws, people need to not be shitty, but people are shitty, but I refuse to concede the necessity of governing systems over the supremacy of the individual". |
| 15:12.59 | slightlyrandom | But yeah |
| 15:13.03 | slightlyrandom | I think you said it earlier |
| 15:13.06 | JademusSreg | Just guessing. |
| 15:13.12 | slightlyrandom | The whole thing falls apart if people aren't reasonable |
| 15:13.24 | slightlyrandom | I guess I'm flawed in the sense that I expect other people to behave like I do |
| 15:13.25 | Motive | Exactly. |
| 15:13.38 | slightlyrandom | JademusSreg: Quite well put |
| 15:13.39 | Motive | Unfortunately most people aren't like the people in #sc2mapster. :( |
| 15:13.50 | slightlyrandom | I would add to it, that laws make shitty people |
| 15:13.53 | Motive | As evidenced by shit like LA Riots, Vancouver Riots, Katrina lawlessness, etc. |
| 15:14.03 | slightlyrandom | Or that they often do, at least |
| 15:14.20 | Rnuomer | slightlyrandom: wat happens in a society without law? e.g., at the beginning of mankind? |
| 15:14.25 | slightlyrandom | Again, if all you have holding you back is the law, and the fear of retribution from the law, you are a stunted individual |
| 15:14.34 | Motive | Also because morality is relative, you'd never know if you're intruding to a society that has different values than you. |
| 15:14.44 | Motive | At least now, if I drie through Virginia and get a speeding ticket, I know I broke the law. |
| 15:15.16 | slightlyrandom | I demand that people take responsibility for their actions, and the morality there of, instead of relying in fixed rules to guide them |
| 15:15.27 | slightlyrandom | Because fixed rules are by their nature broken |
| 15:15.33 | Motive | In most cases, people do, and then the law judges them. |
| 15:15.38 | slightlyrandom | They cannot ever be complicated enough to consider every single case |
| 15:15.39 | Motive | But people generally do what's right regardless of the law. |
| 15:15.39 | Rnuomer | abortion: good or no good? |
| 15:15.44 | slightlyrandom | No |
| 15:15.45 | Motive | Bad idea, Rnuomer. |
| 15:15.46 | slightlyrandom | Wrong |
| 15:15.46 | Motive | That's stupid. |
| 15:15.51 | Motive | It's not a "good or no good" topic |
| 15:16.05 | Motive | There's an infinite number of possibilities within that argument that have been boiled down to pro-life or pro-choice. |
| 15:16.08 | Rnuomer | it kind of is, or I'm reading this wrong |
| 15:16.18 | JademusSreg | May as well say "Dentistry: good or bad?" |
| 15:16.20 | Motive | And it's stupid, because there's no need to simplify every damn topic into a left and a right issue. |
| 15:16.21 | Motive | Exactly |
| 15:16.22 | Motive | Lol |
| 15:16.49 | LordAbyss | ~seen proziacmuze |
| 15:16.59 | purl | LordAbyss: i haven't seen 'proziacmuze' |
| 15:17.05 | Rnuomer | however, people view things like that differently |
| 15:17.12 | Motive | Personally, I think abortion as a form of birth control is wrong, and so are late-term abortions. But so is denying a woman the right to an abortion at all. |
| 15:17.20 | LordAbyss | ~seen prozaicmuze |
| 15:17.21 | purl | prozaicmuze <Error@c-98-232-252-235.hsd1.or.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 28d 18h 10m 14s ago, saying: '. . .'. |
| 15:17.49 | Ashamed | motive i agree with you on abortion >< |
| 15:17.52 | Motive | If you think God says that abortions are wrong, then fine, abide by God's will and don't get any abortions. Let me go to hell and burn for my sins. |
| 15:17.57 | Motive | It should really be that damn simple. |
| 15:18.01 | Nash|327 | Abortion ftw |
| 15:18.04 | Ashamed | i think mby it should be like a strike rule or something lol |
| 15:18.08 | Rnuomer | let us change topic back |
| 15:18.22 | Ashamed | yes i suck at data |
| 15:18.31 | Ashamed | and would really like help |
| 15:18.45 | slightlyrandom | http://www.ted.com/speakers/barry_schwartz.html <-- That guy |
| 15:18.47 | Nash|327 | Don't need unwanted children that parents won't bother taking care of properly. |
| 15:18.52 | slightlyrandom | Sort of touches on what I've been trying to say |
| 15:19.09 | slightlyrandom | (Thought he probably wouldn't like me using his talks as arguments in this way) |
| 15:19.09 | Rnuomer | if I am starving & need to eat something or I will die, and you have food that you need or you will die, is it okay to steal his food so that you don't die? |
| 15:19.22 | slightlyrandom | The two talks about wisdom |
| 15:19.22 | Ashamed | zeratul blade shoots out lightning when he walks... how do i down size the lightning? |
| 15:19.34 | Motive | No, Rnuomer. |
| 15:19.46 | Nash|327 | Rnuomer: depends on whose life is more important |
| 15:19.55 | Rnuomer | I'm not getting the points of this conversation at all then |
| 15:19.57 | slightlyrandom | Exampled of how law and rules can stunt your humanity |
| 15:19.59 | Motive | No one's life is more important. |
| 15:20.03 | Nash|327 | Nonsense. |
| 15:20.04 | slightlyrandom | Anyway |
| 15:20.06 | slightlyrandom | Been nice |
| 15:20.09 | slightlyrandom | Gotta scoot |
| 15:20.14 | Motive | Thanks, random :P |
| 15:20.15 | Motive | Had fun |
| 15:20.19 | Nash|327 | Some people are worth more than others. |
| 15:20.23 | slightlyrandom | Check out Schwartz |
| 15:20.27 | slightlyrandom | He is a sensible person |
| 15:20.35 | Motive | Not to the point where you can argue to take another man's food to save your life but kill him. |
| 15:20.42 | Ashamed | come on peeps answer my question |
| 15:20.47 | Nash|327 | EVERY LIFE IS PRECIOUS nonsense is unpragmatical hogwash |
| 15:21.13 | Motive | You're going to have to come up with a better example then. |
| 15:21.20 | Nash|327 | If I could steal from a psycho so I can live and he dies, hell yeah I would. |
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| 15:21.31 | Ashamed | motive i bet i can >< If you look at other life ( Other evolution ) us as humans claim domain over them.... so why cant their be a better/ more evolved human thats life is more important? |
| 15:21.33 | Motive | Because in that situation, it's clear as day to me: stealing someone's food to live is murder if it's going to kill him. |
| 15:21.36 | Rnuomer | Nash|327, if someone "more important" than you needed you to die so that he could live, would you do that? |
| 15:21.44 | Nash|327 | In theory. |
| 15:21.50 | Motive | @Ashamed: that's why all sentient life is equal :P |
| 15:21.51 | Rnuomer | but you won'yt |
| 15:22.00 | Motive | Maybe I will kill him, and take his food. |
| 15:22.01 | Nash|327 | Well, it's easy to say that you would. |
| 15:22.01 | Ashamed | its not though motive |
| 15:22.03 | Dresnia | I WOULD DIE FOR ANY OF YOU |
| 15:22.04 | Motive | But I'm going to feel ashamed of it for the rest of my life. |
| 15:22.05 | Ashamed | and its clear its not |
| 15:22.10 | Nash|327 | But survival instinct and such kicks in. |
| 15:22.13 | Motive | Exactly. |
| 15:22.18 | Motive | just because instinct makes you do it doesn't mean it's right. |
| 15:22.22 | Motive | It's still wrong. |
| 15:22.34 | Nash|327 | Rationally, objectively, yes, I would give my food away to someone who can contribute more to humanity. |
| 15:22.42 | Dresnia | Who the hell would be more important than yourself to die for ? |
| 15:22.43 | Rnuomer | but you won't |
| 15:22.48 | Motive | Yes, any sacrifice like that would have to be voluntary. |
| 15:22.49 | Nash|327 | Alas,being a human being prevents me from being rational fully. |
| 15:22.56 | Ashamed | AHHH |
| 15:22.59 | Ashamed | answer my data question! |
| 15:23.06 | Ashamed | there has to be one data guru in here |
| 15:23.17 | Rnuomer | or perhaps you being human realizes that it doesn't really matter? |
| 15:23.26 | Rnuomer | all you have is yourself |
| 15:23.39 | Rnuomer | if something makes you happy, you want to do it |
| 15:23.45 | Motive | I don't want to be remembered as a scumbag. |
| 15:23.48 | Rnuomer | if something makes you sad, you avoid it |
| 15:23.53 | Motive | In some ways, that motivates us alone. |
| 15:23.56 | Motive | How we want to be remembered. |
| 15:24.03 | Nash|327 | But I would certainly steal from a douchebag or psycho or retarded person, as I will have a more positive impact on humanity. |
| 15:24.03 | JademusSreg | Quite apt. |
| 15:24.08 | Rnuomer | if you like other people living happily, you help them toward that |
| 15:24.09 | Nash|327 | Thus my life is worth more. |
| 15:24.32 | Rnuomer | wat is this "humanity" you speak of? |
| 15:24.33 | Dresnia | All our life's are worth nothing causse the only thing your sure off is that you end up dead |
| 15:24.44 | Dresnia | Stop the fucking drama and enjoy every day as whatever you do really |
| 15:24.44 | Ashamed | you guys suck |
| 15:24.46 | Motive | Do you want to be remembered like George Washington, who gave up power, or remembered as someone who hung onto power at any cost, ultimately losing anyways? |
| 15:24.48 | Ashamed | i all gotta go to work soon |
| 15:25.01 | Dresnia | I couldn't care less for my memory while I was dead |
| 15:25.03 | Nash|327 | I'm utilitarian and pragmatic. |
| 15:25.15 | Motive | That'll change once you have kids, or a wife, or anyone that's going to survive you. |
| 15:25.17 | Motive | :P |
| 15:25.24 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 15:25.25 | Dresnia | I got a wife and a daughter. |
| 15:25.30 | Dresnia | I'd kill both for surviving. |
| 15:25.30 | Motive | Well shit, man. |
| 15:25.31 | Nash|327 | I often give stuff up that I might want but don't really need, because someone I know has more use of it. |
| 15:25.48 | Rnuomer | then you feel good for doing that |
| 15:25.59 | Motive | If I had a kid, I'd die to protect my kid any day. That's just parental instinct. |
| 15:26.00 | Nash|327 | If it gives that person more enjoyment, the net benefit is increased if I give it to that person. |
| 15:26.08 | Nash|327 | It is logical. |
| 15:26.13 | Dresnia | Survival Instinct beats any other instinct |
| 15:26.18 | Nash|327 | To each according to need, sort of thing. |
| 15:26.30 | Motive | Not in this case, you're fighting survival instinct with a more powerful instinct to protect your offspring. |
| 15:26.34 | Motive | You can win that one. It's happened. |
| 15:26.47 | Dresnia | And yes I would also die for my kid, but that's not the same as killing myself for my kid. |
| 15:26.51 | Nash|327 | Offspring, throw it in the river. |
| 15:26.53 | Nash|327 | D; |
| 15:26.57 | Nash|327 | DO NOT WANT |
| 15:27.02 | Ashamed | guys none of us our God and Jesus |
| 15:27.03 | Motive | People are willing to die for causes they truly believe in. |
| 15:27.14 | Dresnia | I'm not a moslim. |
| 15:27.22 | Motive | Doesn't alter the psychology, though. |
| 15:27.25 | Ashamed | we would never pick our lifes over someone elses unless we either figure the other life would be better to live |
| 15:27.25 | Nash|327 | I am certainly not a fictional character. |
| 15:27.26 | Ashamed | it happens |
| 15:27.36 | Ashamed | people sacerfise themselfs for children all the time |
| 15:27.40 | Ashamed | not even their own |
| 15:27.41 | Motive | Exactly. |
| 15:27.41 | Dresnia | If I'm like 70/80 yeah sure |
| 15:27.53 | Ashamed | people sacerfice themselves for a group of others even |
| 15:28.09 | Ashamed | without determining who is the better fit |
| 15:28.13 | Motive | People swerve off the road to avoid hitting another car head-on, even if it's going to be deadly. |
| 15:28.26 | Dresnia | That's just a wife steering |
| 15:28.34 | Ashamed | when you are put in front of a situation... there are 2 types of people... Heros and not heros |
| 15:28.34 | JademusSreg | I am, by natural inclination, a rake, a bon vivant libertine, a self-indulgent impulsive sociopath. But I have a family, people who depend upon me, people for which I would kill and die. |
| 15:28.43 | Ashamed | Jade you good at data? |
| 15:28.52 | Motive | ^ what jademus said. |
| 15:28.53 | Motive | Lol |
| 15:28.54 | JademusSreg | I'm good at everything. =D |
| 15:29.05 | Nash|327 | I believe in rational decision making and logic. It's my ethos. |
| 15:29.06 | Ashamed | i know personally i have told myself i would never just freeze up in a matter of life or death... |
| 15:29.12 | Ashamed | so i may die for someone one day >< i dunno |
| 15:29.17 | Dresnia | TL;DR I would end up dead protecting my family, but survival instinct won't allow you to suicide yourself too save them. |
| 15:29.19 | Ashamed | Jade i gotz a question |
| 15:29.34 | Nash|327 | No moral absolutism, no religion, no chauvinism. |
| 15:29.57 | Ashamed | ok so zeratul walk animation makes his sword have this lightning that shoots from it... how the hell do i down size that? |
| 15:30.12 | Nash|327 | It's probably part of the model. |
| 15:30.19 | Nash|327 | In which case you don't. |
| 15:30.33 | JademusSreg | If the lightning is on the model, it requires a model edit. |
| 15:30.34 | Ashamed | :( |
| 15:30.36 | Nash|327 | Check previewer. |
| 15:30.40 | JademusSreg | Yup. |
| 15:30.43 | Nash|327 | Then cry yourself to sleep. |
| 15:30.51 | Ashamed | no |
| 15:30.55 | Ashamed | it cant be |
| 15:30.58 | Ashamed | because i down scaled the model |
| 15:31.01 | Ashamed | thus the animation would be too |
| 15:31.10 | Dresnia | I am looking to purchase the skin (from females) that is in between the anus and the vagina. It's for chewing purposes. I highly savor the flavor. |
| 15:31.10 | Dresnia | I am surgically licensed to remove this and will pay accordingly |
| 15:31.10 | Dresnia | ~ - 1.0g = Approx $300 |
| 15:31.10 | Dresnia | 1.0g - 2.0g = Approx $450 |
| 15:31.10 | Dresnia | 2.0g - 3.0g = Approx $600 |
| 15:31.11 | Dresnia | Average is usually 1.75g to 2.25g depending on the person. |
| 15:31.11 | Dresnia | The procedure is pain free (anesthetics) and can be dpne in under 2 hours. You receive payment before leaving. |
| 15:31.12 | Dresnia | I can remove either flaps of skin, as seen, or small folds of actual anus skin, either is fine. Contact me at the temporary email adress given in the next post |
| 15:31.12 | Dresnia | Serious inquiries only. |
| 15:31.15 | Ashamed | anything on the model would be on my scale wouldn't it be? |
| 15:31.28 | JademusSreg | Probably. |
| 15:31.36 | Motive | wtfbbq |
| 15:31.37 | Nash|327 | wtf |
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| 15:31.47 | JademusSreg | Any zertul actors? |
| 15:31.49 | Dresnia | ;D |
| 15:31.50 | JademusSreg | *Zeratul |
| 15:31.59 | JademusSreg | I don't have the editor open so I can't check atm. |
| 15:32.07 | Nash|327 | Needs more kittun bags. |
| 15:32.11 | Ashamed | its prob on the model still >< I dunno |
| 15:32.18 | Ashamed | mby it just looks bad scaled down i dunno |
| 15:32.29 | Nash|327 | NO TINY ZERATULS D: |
| 15:32.41 | Dresnia | NASH MY HERO |
| 15:32.45 | Dresnia | hows our last hero doin |
| 15:32.52 | Nash|327 | we must test later, after quiz D: |
| 15:33.00 | Nash|327 | Heroes are done... |
| 15:33.01 | Dresnia | Around what time ? |
| 15:33.06 | Dresnia | I got a guy comming over tonight |
| 15:33.11 | Nash|327 | 21:00-22:00? |
| 15:33.15 | Nash|327 | Something like that. |
| 15:33.17 | Dresnia | Should be ok yeah |
| 15:33.28 | Nash|327 | Mystic is ownage. |
| 15:33.32 | Dresnia | I really really need too drag myself through terrain :/ |
| 15:33.38 | Nash|327 | Yes. |
| 15:33.39 | Dresnia | I feel so bad towards you =( |
| 15:33.41 | Nash|327 | BACK TO WORK |
| 15:33.43 | Nash|327 | ZUG ZUG |
| 15:33.51 | Dresnia | I did the annoying part last night |
| 15:34.01 | Dresnia | but the thing is I got ALOT of housework lately |
| 15:34.06 | Dresnia | but it's ending within 2 weeks |
| 15:34.07 | Nash|327 | I have 9 bosses to make, bank system and hero selection dialogs. |
| 15:34.10 | Dresnia | then its back to no-life |
| 15:34.10 | Nash|327 | And store. |
| 15:34.16 | Dresnia | So I got timez ! |
| 15:34.19 | Nash|327 | Then tweaking/balance of course. |
| 15:34.24 | Dresnia | But.. I want too re-vamp alot of terrain |
| 15:34.28 | Dresnia | I'm not satisfied |
| 15:34.40 | Dresnia | My latest work is better then my first, since it's my first project overal |
| 15:34.46 | Nash|327 | if you plan to redo most of the map |
| 15:34.48 | Dresnia | So gna tweak some stuff |
| 15:34.56 | Dresnia | Well not size or stuff. |
| 15:34.57 | Nash|327 | try adding more cliff space between arenas :G |
| 15:35.05 | Dresnia | Wtf ? :o |
| 15:35.17 | Nash|327 | It's not essential. |
| 15:35.25 | Dresnia | Well it was needed before |
| 15:35.31 | Nash|327 | Just that I had to make triggers to turn off ally setting. |
| 15:35.35 | Dresnia | And it would take ALOT of work too re-make the whole shit |
| 15:35.53 | Nash|327 | Because arenas are so close together you could get other people's auras fom other arenas etc |
| 15:36.01 | Nash|327 | It really just affects chat |
| 15:36.07 | Nash|327 | since it defaults to allies |
| 15:36.09 | Dresnia | Ah, hmm. Ok. |
| 15:36.11 | Dresnia | Well tbh. |
| 15:36.16 | Dresnia | IF the map goes 'viral' |
| 15:36.26 | Dresnia | I would re-make a whole terrain map, players deciding what themes |
| 15:36.28 | Nash|327 | so you can only talk to people in your arena unless you press Shift+Enter |
| 15:36.39 | Dresnia | Well I sorta like that ? |
| 15:36.46 | Dresnia | since it's semi-private really |
| 15:36.47 | *** join/#sc2mapster raydenuni (~raydenuni@ip68-5-22-175.oc.oc.cox.net) |
| 15:36.53 | Dresnia | else you got 3 x 'I take ramp' |
| 15:36.54 | Dresnia | or so |
| 15:36.56 | Dresnia | afk food bro ! |
| 15:36.58 | Dresnia | <3 |
| 15:37.00 | Nash|327 | It can be a tad confusing and cumbersome |
| 15:37.08 | Nash|327 | when you want to talk to everyone |
| 15:37.10 | Nash|327 | :G |
| 15:37.17 | Nash|327 | Oh also need leaderboard :G |
| 15:37.40 | Nash|327 | while in town you can see all player's class and level |
| 15:38.07 | *** join/#sc2mapster Seyon (~chatzilla@175.176.244.83) |
| 15:38.38 | Nash|327 | and in arena the levels of hero should show up on the class icon |
| 15:38.44 | Ashamed | yeah its so the model its the blade blur... but i dunno why it looks like that zoomed in nothing else on the model looks bad :( |
| 15:38.46 | Nash|327 | in a corner or so |
| 15:40.49 | Ashamed | this does not make sense to me :( i dunno why it doesn't scale :( |
| 15:41.22 | Ashamed | in the animation its not bigger then zeratul but when i scale him that becomes bigger then him :( like its something else too |
| 15:41.24 | Ashamed | i dunno |
| 15:42.29 | Ashamed | i think there is something else :( |
| 15:43.50 | Ibe_PlayingSc2_b | meh, I need to work on my mid game |
| 15:44.06 | *** join/#sc2mapster allenmelon (~amin@pool-173-60-170-43.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) |
| 15:48.48 | LordAbyss | so my map has been in "planning" since beta |
| 15:48.49 | LordAbyss | hahaha |
| 15:49.17 | Nash|327 | Mr. Productive. |
| 15:49.25 | LordAbyss | well |
| 15:49.30 | LordAbyss | i enlisted PM to do my heroes |
| 15:49.37 | LordAbyss | and he "died" and so i just put it on hold |
| 15:49.40 | LordAbyss | plus i had school |
| 15:50.00 | Nash|327 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cU74w_wP_g |
| 15:50.05 | Nash|327 | SO CUTE |
| 15:50.33 | Nash|327 | Maru ftw |
| 15:50.50 | Nash|327 | LordAbyss: took me a month to make a map D; |
| 15:50.52 | LordAbyss | my video has 9,865 views |
| 15:51.00 | Nash|327 | Back to work, zug zug. |
| 15:51.03 | LordAbyss | soooo close to 10k |
| 15:51.10 | Nash|327 | F5 F5 F5 |
| 15:51.56 | Nash|327 | one of mine has 10547 views |
| 15:52.00 | LordAbyss | it seems to be popular in australia |
| 15:52.01 | Nash|327 | never noticed before |
| 15:52.15 | Nash|327 | And my map is on page 4 now :G |
| 15:52.19 | A1win | my reaper sidescroller has 30k x) |
| 15:52.32 | Rnuomer | wat is :G |
| 15:52.42 | Rnuomer | it looks like |
| 15:52.46 | Nash|327 | :G |
| 15:52.47 | LordAbyss | my 10 minute video has symphonic music |
| 15:52.48 | Rnuomer | not a face |
| 15:52.49 | LordAbyss | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETEqVGqtBwA |
| 15:52.50 | LordAbyss | lol |
| 15:52.51 | Nash|327 | :G |
| 15:53.15 | Rnuomer | fine then |
| 15:53.16 | Rnuomer | =:G |
| 15:53.26 | Rnuomer | I will ruin your smilie with bunny ears |
| 15:54.09 | Nash|327 | LordAbyss: lawl, looks so silly |
| 15:54.44 | Nash|327 | Purifier beam hat! |
| 15:54.47 | LordAbyss | it was for a mapster contect |
| 15:54.49 | LordAbyss | contest |
| 15:55.04 | LordAbyss | it didn't win |
| 15:55.20 | Vail | hello people.. and what ever nash ish |
| 15:55.22 | Nash|327 | should attach other Archons to the Archon |
| 15:55.40 | Nash|327 | Like, a pillar of Archons. |
| 15:55.43 | LordAbyss | i think i maxed out the attachments |
| 15:55.50 | LordAbyss | when i tried adding more |
| 15:56.00 | LordAbyss | but that was with an older version of the editor |
| 15:56.26 | Nash|327 | death grips Vail |
| 15:56.29 | *** part/#sc2mapster Brainshack1 (~Christian@dslb-178-009-172-087.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 15:57.13 | Vail | is wearing +10 anti deathgrip bunny ears =:3 |
| 15:57.26 | LordAbyss | pulls out his ogre slaying knife. |
| 15:57.29 | Rnuomer | =:D |
| 15:58.09 | LordAbyss | stabs some politician in DC. IT IS SUPER EFFECTIVE! |
| 15:58.45 | Nash|327 | What is it with bunnies in here? |
| 15:58.50 | Nash|327 | I DEMAND KITTUNS |
| 15:59.08 | Vail | personally i like the fictionak cabbits |
| 15:59.15 | Vail | fictional * |
| 15:59.24 | Nash|327 | No. Abominations. |
| 15:59.38 | Rnuomer | bunnies is better <3 |
| 15:59.42 | Nash|327 | Lies. |
| 15:59.50 | Rnuomer | not lies |
| 15:59.51 | Nash|327 | BLATANT FUCKING LIES |
| 16:00.04 | Rnuomer | maybe you need a bunnyhug <3 |
| 16:00.04 | Nash|327 | LIGHT YOURSELF ON FIRE KTHX |
| 16:00.11 | Nash|327 | D:< |
| 16:00.21 | Nash|327 | I need a kittunbag. |
| 16:00.30 | Vail | i will go back to college ....become a genetisist and MAKE cabbits |
| 16:00.47 | Nash|327 | With the help of Igor? |
| 16:00.55 | Vail | maybe |
| 16:01.17 | Nash|327 | IT'S ALIVE! |
| 16:01.31 | Vail | indeed |
| 16:01.38 | Nash|327 | I will rally the kittuns and destroy that abomination. |
| 16:01.54 | Vail | never happen |
| 16:02.15 | LordAbyss | i added a poll! |
| 16:02.23 | Nash|327 | Something that abhorrent cannot be allowed to live. |
| 16:02.24 | Vail | all of the fangirls and boys who loved Tenchi Muyo will rally together and defeat the Kittun army for their cabbit overlords |
| 16:02.26 | Rnuomer | pouncebunnyhugs Nash|327 <3 |
| 16:02.29 | LordAbyss | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/project-workplace/8314-video-map-planning-war-of-finality/ |
| 16:02.44 | Rnuomer | bunnies hug better <3 |
| 16:02.59 | Nash|327 | Kittuns can't be defeated by mere humans. |
| 16:03.11 | LordAbyss | no they can't |
| 16:03.27 | LordAbyss | we need to call in the bunny special forces |
| 16:03.37 | Vail | they are not mere humans they are the Fanboy/Girl Elite |
| 16:04.33 | Dresnia | This project is still in the planning/initial stages and is going slowly |
| 16:04.40 | Dresnia | on Fri, 20 Aug 2010 20:32:41 |
| 16:04.46 | Vail | i plan nothing |
| 16:04.46 | Dresnia | Are you even serious ? |
| 16:04.49 | Nash|327 | You named the Ghost hero apparition, hah. |
| 16:05.17 | LordAbyss | of course i am serious |
| 16:05.21 | LordAbyss | it was put on hold |
| 16:05.28 | Dresnia | seems so :P |
| 16:05.33 | LordAbyss | aka |
| 16:05.35 | LordAbyss | school hit |
| 16:05.43 | Dresnia | oh |
| 16:06.07 | LordAbyss | i had a decent working map but i think i will redo the format, don't really like the terrain |
| 16:07.06 | Nash|327 | LordAbyss: seriously, tl;dr |
| 16:07.22 | LordAbyss | most of it is for PM |
| 16:07.25 | LordAbyss | who is making my heroes |
| 16:07.40 | Dresnia | I disslike this guy |
| 16:07.44 | Dresnia | Anyone agree ? |
| 16:07.48 | Dresnia | If so I troll him out |
| 16:07.48 | LordAbyss | me? |
| 16:07.50 | Nash|327 | Well, no need to list all the details about heros, with stat gains etc in a workplace thread. |
| 16:07.54 | Dresnia | Yeah you ! |
| 16:07.57 | Nash|327 | Make a design doc. |
| 16:07.59 | Nash|327 | Send it. |
| 16:08.11 | Dresnia | DROPBOX BROTHERS FOR LIFE NASH |
| 16:08.13 | Dresnia | alt+3 |
| 16:08.14 | Nash|327 | I made an HTML file with my abilities |
| 16:08.24 | Dresnia | And I readed it very carefully. |
| 16:08.25 | Nash|327 | and wrote some in a notepad |
| 16:08.28 | LordAbyss | to each their own |
| 16:08.43 | Nash|327 | It's poor PR. |
| 16:09.07 | Nash|327 | Documentation is good, but not something you put in a public thread. |
| 16:09.08 | LordAbyss | people bashed me back when onetwo did the videos because i was still working on it, or they didn't show much |
| 16:09.18 | LordAbyss | honestly i am making it because I want to |
| 16:09.30 | LordAbyss | hell, if it doesn't get played i don't care, i just want to make my map |
| 16:09.35 | Dresnia | The only good way of doing it, is by doing it |
| 16:09.40 | Nash|327 | Right-o. |
| 16:09.47 | Dresnia | and i is a letter, I is a word |
| 16:09.59 | Nash|327 | But surely it doesn't hurt to get people to want to play it? |
| 16:10.22 | LordAbyss | no it doesn't, that is always a plus for map makers |
| 16:10.32 | Nash|327 | Not saying you should change your design extensively just to please people. |
| 16:10.38 | Nash|327 | Just make a better thread. ;G |
| 16:10.54 | Dresnia | Check our thread |
| 16:10.58 | Dresnia | That's how it's done |
| 16:11.06 | LordAbyss | link? |
| 16:11.22 | Dresnia | I was trolling |
| 16:11.32 | Nash|327 | Stop trolling! |
| 16:11.34 | Dresnia | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/project-workplace/21591-untitled-hero-survival-arena-showcase-requesting-feedback/ |
| 16:11.38 | LordAbyss | >.> |
| 16:11.40 | Dresnia | I'm sure it could be fone better |
| 16:11.42 | Dresnia | but that's our |
| 16:11.44 | Nash|327 | I'll say this about our thread though. |
| 16:11.54 | Nash|327 | It's mostly brief descriptions and pictures. |
| 16:12.10 | LordAbyss | I could put my documentation into the forum I made on my project page |
| 16:12.12 | LordAbyss | hmmm |
| 16:12.15 | Nash|327 | And not endless details nobody wants to read. |
| 16:12.45 | Nash|327 | I mean, attribute gains and such don't say much to a prospective player. |
| 16:12.53 | Nash|327 | Just a bunch of numbers. |
| 16:13.13 | Nash|327 | And people will go TL;DR and skip it. |
| 16:13.36 | Nash|327 | If you limit it to relevant information people might actually read it and become interested. |
| 16:14.27 | Dresnia | OH we got feedbax :o |
| 16:14.39 | Dresnia | HE PLAYED MYSTIC |
| 16:14.44 | Dresnia | What the hell ? |
| 16:14.51 | Nash|327 | Yas. |
| 16:14.51 | Dresnia | When was this :o |
| 16:14.53 | Nash|327 | MYSTIC |
| 16:14.57 | Nash|327 | Yesterday. |
| 16:15.04 | Dresnia | Huh. |
| 16:15.06 | Dresnia | I was here :/ |
| 16:15.12 | Dresnia | After 11 ? |
| 16:15.28 | Nash|327 | Well look at the post time :P |
| 16:15.36 | LordAbyss | i purged! |
| 16:15.43 | Nash|327 | 17 hours ago |
| 16:15.44 | Nash|327 | D_D |
| 16:15.50 | Nash|327 | That's when we finished. |
| 16:16.08 | Dresnia | hmm |
| 16:16.11 | Dresnia | that's like |
| 16:16.13 | Vail | hmm any one know a way to reverse the greyed out when no charges and color when full property of an ability? |
| 16:16.17 | Dresnia | so you started when I went bed |
| 16:16.18 | Dresnia | =( |
| 16:16.28 | Nash|327 | More or less. |
| 16:16.41 | Nash|327 | That's what happens when you sleep D: |
| 16:17.12 | Dresnia | Pffft. |
| 16:17.28 | Nash|327 | Vail: Why would you possibly want to do such a thing? |
| 16:17.30 | Dresnia | Atleast I can earn money too spend it on useless shit ! |
| 16:17.38 | Nash|327 | True. |
| 16:17.48 | Dresnia | like my new pc pieces |
| 16:17.52 | Vail | i have an ability that adds charges to its self when used |
| 16:17.54 | Dresnia | now my porno won't framedrop lag ! |
| 16:17.56 | Dresnia | hoeray ! |
| 16:18.06 | Nash|327 | How odd. |
| 16:18.13 | Dresnia | Well actually. |
| 16:18.20 | Dresnia | My VGA is so bad, I lag streaming to my TV |
| 16:18.25 | Dresnia | If I play a blu-ray rip |
| 16:18.50 | Nash|327 | Is it binary? |
| 16:19.03 | Dresnia | it's on-board suckage |
| 16:19.12 | Nash|327 | If so, seems using charges rather than adding them would make more sense :G |
| 16:19.20 | Dresnia | on-board into a 6970HD is going to be awesome ;P |
| 16:20.02 | Vail | it the arm ability for my artililisk unit |
| 16:20.12 | Vail | it makes the unit eat nearby zerglings .. |
| 16:20.33 | Nash|327 | Oh. |
| 16:20.50 | A1win | ahh, this suddenly became one degree more awesome when I freed the camera for the player =p |
| 16:21.07 | A1win | no need to zoom so far away inside anymore |
| 16:21.17 | Nash|327 | Well I suppose it may be possible to do it with different abilities and show requirements. |
| 16:21.32 | Dresnia | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/project-workplace/21591-untitled-hero-survival-arena-showcase-requesting-feedback/?page=2#p35 |
| 16:21.35 | Dresnia | shameless bamp ! |
| 16:21.52 | Vail | hm ok |
| 16:22.21 | LordAbyss | you know |
| 16:22.22 | Nash|327 | If 0, show a different ability that rely on charges, but still adds charges to the appropriate link. |
| 16:22.24 | LordAbyss | i am a mod, and i don't approve of bumping |
| 16:22.39 | LordAbyss | jk |
| 16:22.40 | Nash|327 | And make a custom icon with a zero on it where the charge count should be. |
| 16:22.56 | Nash|327 | wtf |
| 16:23.02 | Nash|327 | a different ability that doesn't rely on charges* |
| 16:23.41 | Nash|327 | Then another with a desaturated icon when full. |
| 16:23.56 | Nash|327 | That, or just a requirement. |
| 16:24.06 | Nash|327 | If full, set it to show but not be usable. |
| 16:24.12 | Nash|327 | And it will be greyed out. |
| 16:24.49 | LordAbyss | i did some serious reformatting lol |
| 16:24.54 | Nash|327 | I've never used charge count in requirements, not certain it is possible, but look into it. |
| 16:25.33 | Nash|327 | basically ability 1 with requirement Show Charge count for link = 0 |
| 16:26.06 | Nash|327 | and ability 2 with requirement Use: Charge count for link < full, Show: Charge count for link > 0 |
| 16:28.48 | Dresnia | http://www.youtube.com/user/bodaciousboxxy |
| 16:28.50 | Dresnia | seriously |
| 16:28.56 | Dresnia | Boxxy is SO hyper |
| 16:29.37 | Nash|327 | Boxxy, who cares? |
| 16:29.47 | Nash|327 | Isn't she some 4chan attention whore? |
| 16:29.53 | Dresnia | nah |
| 16:30.01 | Nash|327 | Stop giving her attention. |
| 16:30.09 | Dresnia | 4chan states its the queen of /b/ |
| 16:30.15 | Dresnia | but boxxy doesn't know /b/ directly |
| 16:30.33 | Nash|327 | People get famous for the dumbest shit. |
| 16:30.37 | Dresnia | well it's not like attention |
| 16:30.43 | Dresnia | I just find it amazing how she talks lol |
| 16:30.53 | Nash|327 | And other people perpetuate their moronic fame by giving a shit. |
| 16:31.26 | Dresnia | Well Leeroy got rich by suiciding his warrior for paladin shoulders in old-skool wow at blackrock spire |
| 16:31.40 | Dresnia | I got rich for beeing born |
| 16:31.42 | Dresnia | lol |
| 16:31.58 | JademusSreg | HAha. |
| 16:32.35 | Dresnia | Tonight the Euro Millions pulling is 101million € |
| 16:32.39 | Vail | hmm i am wondering if i should up the building damage of the missileized baneling for my artillery |
| 16:32.39 | Dresnia | A ticket is like 2€ |
| 16:33.23 | JademusSreg | I muted the video. |
| 16:33.42 | Dresnia | Imagine Boxxy beeing your girlfriend. |
| 16:33.44 | Dresnia | Jezus. |
| 16:34.03 | Dresnia | I'd give it a week before you could find a few body parts in the woods man |
| 16:34.13 | JademusSreg | Naw, for one, that's a misues of the word bodacious insofar as it is an unverifiable assertion on her part. |
| 16:34.21 | JademusSreg | And second, looks pedo. |
| 16:34.36 | JademusSreg | *misuse |
| 16:34.55 | Dresnia | Jailbait ! |
| 16:35.35 | Vail | merph |
| 16:35.42 | Dresnia | JademusSreg : I found you : http://i.imgur.com/noEKr.gif |
| 16:35.46 | Dresnia | That's really you. |
| 16:35.51 | Dresnia | A hard shell, soft inside. |
| 16:36.24 | JademusSreg | That chick is a wannabe Minx. |
| 16:36.34 | JademusSreg | Anyway, yes, I AM a crab. |
| 16:36.41 | Dresnia | http://images.4chan.org/b/src/1308672758072.jpg Too soon ? |
| 16:37.17 | LordAbyss | Interesting, my post on my Project Forum appeared on the Recent Posts window on the main page. |
| 16:37.20 | Vail | hmm ten baneling shells to destroy a command center..hmm |
| 16:38.08 | mapman_ | guys droplist items are text or strings |
| 16:39.18 | Dresnia | MAPMAN |
| 16:39.21 | Dresnia | GTFO |
| 16:39.22 | JademusSreg | Dialog control items are an obscured type. |
| 16:39.25 | JademusSreg | So neither. |
| 16:39.43 | JademusSreg | But it takes text. |
| 16:39.52 | mapman_ | wow thats mean dresnia |
| 16:40.27 | mapman_ | so if i want an integer to take the value of the selected list item |
| 16:40.31 | mapman_ | how do i do it |
| 16:40.43 | mapman_ | they are numbers |
| 16:40.51 | LordAbyss | Don't be so mean Dresnia, we do want NEW people to come back. |
| 16:41.22 | mapman_ | is he what is called an internet douchebag? |
| 16:41.35 | Dresnia | I don't want idiots like you returning though |
| 16:41.45 | Dresnia | There's no point in training you |
| 16:42.15 | LordAbyss | If you don't want to interact with him, then don't. |
| 16:42.26 | JademusSreg | DialogControlAddItem (int control, playergroup players, text value); DialogControlRemoveItem (int control, playergroup players, int index); DialogControlRemoveAllItems (int control, playergroup players); DialogControlSelectItem (int control, playergroup players, int index); DialogControlGetItemCount (int control, int player); DialogControlGetSelectedItem (int control, int player); |
| 16:42.35 | Dresnia | Mapman already knows I'm only kidding him |
| 16:43.03 | JademusSreg | Those are the dialog control item natives. |
| 16:43.08 | mapman_ | An internet toughguy is a person on the internet who acts badass, macho, and tough but in real life is most likely a huge pussy. |
| 16:43.41 | mapman_ | urban dictionnary |
| 16:43.41 | Dresnia | I'm 250pounds, 1m94 and an ex-boxer |
| 16:43.41 | Dresnia | wanna take it outside ? |
| 16:43.41 | mapman_ | o rly |
| 16:43.41 | mapman_ | csb |
| 16:43.48 | LordAbyss | I only seek to maintain peace, especially for new people who may not know you are joking. |
| 16:43.52 | Dresnia | But I do agree on that line |
| 16:44.01 | Dresnia | ALOT of internet bitches are wimps irl |
| 16:44.05 | Dresnia | And I love all of you. |
| 16:44.14 | Dresnia | I'm just bored as fuck, and too stupid too help you. |
| 16:44.18 | Dresnia | So I just make myself look bad. |
| 16:44.24 | Dresnia | So afterall, I'm the losing side. |
| 16:44.28 | Abstruse | Mornoon. |
| 16:44.28 | Dresnia | I just don't realise it yet. |
| 16:44.40 | mapman_ | jade |
| 16:44.49 | mapman_ | was that supposed to answer my question? |
| 16:44.51 | mapman_ | o.0 |
| 16:44.56 | LordAbyss | records that for future linkage. |
| 16:45.30 | Dresnia | If you guys spend more time around here you get too know me |
| 16:45.33 | JademusSreg | What is the question? |
| 16:46.21 | mapman_ | if i want an integer to take the value of the selected list item |
| 16:46.26 | mapman_ | how do i do it |
| 16:46.46 | mapman_ | tried simiply make set vriable then selected list item |
| 16:46.50 | mapman_ | \but doesnt work |
| 16:47.02 | mapman_ | or I'm doingitwrong |
| 16:48.43 | JademusSreg | "to take the value"? |
| 16:49.57 | JademusSreg | native int DialogControlGetSelectedItem (int control, int player); This returns the index of the item. |
| 16:50.08 | Dustin | Wtf is up my homies? |
| 16:50.18 | JademusSreg | Hi Dustin. |
| 16:50.29 | mapman_ | yea take the value |
| 16:50.40 | mapman_ | since the droplist is make of numbers |
| 16:51.22 | JademusSreg | It takes the dialog control and the player, it returns the index of the item selected by the player. |
| 16:51.53 | JademusSreg | I'm not sure what you're trying to do with it. |
| 16:54.15 | Abstruse | yall are insane bros |
| 16:55.00 | Dustin | Insane in the membrane sir. |
| 16:55.08 | Abstruse | Wins. |
| 16:55.20 | Abstruse | I need place to deposit time. |
| 17:01.54 | Dresnia | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JAcdbKFygg |
| 17:01.58 | Dresnia | that's insane. |
| 17:02.38 | LordAbyss | Should I view it with sound? |
| 17:02.41 | JademusSreg | Naw, lame kid is lame. |
| 17:02.52 | JademusSreg | I saw the first second of it and closed it. |
| 17:03.00 | Dresnia | I'm watching it while Beethoven - Fur Elise plays. |
| 17:03.39 | Dresnia | Anyways I got this feeling |
| 17:03.44 | Dresnia | I'm going to take a EPIC DUMP |
| 17:03.46 | Dresnia | And shower |
| 17:03.46 | *** join/#sc2mapster XenoX101 (XenoX101@ppp118-209-23-114.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net) |
| 17:03.48 | Dresnia | Cya lators. <3 |
| 17:03.54 | Dresnia | Hey Xeno. |
| 17:03.55 | Dresnia | bb. |
| 17:09.25 | *** join/#sc2mapster tordy (ad44a44a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.68.164.74) |
| 17:09.26 | tordy | yo waddup |
| 17:09.49 | tordy | how do you add an x second cooldown to an ability for everyone on the same team? |
| 17:11.07 | tordy | i dont want it to set, i want it to add if the current cooldown is less than 5s |
| 17:15.18 | mapman_ | what I want to do is -->>> Set integer variable to the selected pulldown item's value (choices are 25, 50, 100, 200) |
| 17:16.05 | mapman_ | BUT when I set variable to "selected list item" it only puts the rank of the item in the list(1,2,3,4) |
| 17:17.07 | JademusSreg | int player = EventPlayer(); int option = DialogControlGetSelectedItem(dropdowncontrol,player); if (option==1) { someglobalorsomething = 25; } else if (et cetera) |
| 17:18.32 | tordy | is Motive here |
| 17:19.19 | JademusSreg | PlayerAddCooldown (int inPlayer, string inCooldown, fixed inVal); |
| 17:19.21 | JademusSreg | pew pew |
| 17:19.34 | tordy | >:O |
| 17:19.37 | tordy | :) |
| 17:21.54 | mapman_ | jade...idk wtf language you are talking bro |
| 17:23.01 | JademusSreg | galaxy |
| 17:23.59 | JademusSreg | I don't use GUI, so it would be a superb pain in the ass for me to try and express it in GUI. |
| 17:24.27 | tordy | JademusSreg ma boyyyy |
| 17:24.49 | mapman_ | but, uhmm |
| 17:24.51 | mapman_ | badass |
| 17:24.53 | mapman_ | could you just try? |
| 17:25.07 | mapman_ | i might give you a piece of cake :D |
| 17:25.27 | Dresnia | even I can read and translate that into gui stuff really |
| 17:25.35 | JademusSreg | Basically, you get the index, compare it to ints in an if else block. |
| 17:25.48 | JademusSreg | Or Switch, if you prefer. |
| 17:26.01 | mapman_ | 1.how do i get the index |
| 17:26.25 | mapman_ | 2 |
| 17:26.31 | mapman_ | and 2, well theres no |
| 17:26.57 | mapman_ | imma fall asleep i gotta get a coffee |
| 17:27.01 | mapman_ | no more milk... |
| 17:27.03 | mapman_ | so lame |
| 17:27.12 | mapman_ | ill have to move my ass |
| 17:27.19 | mapman_ | outside in the real world |
| 17:27.38 | mapman_ | brb :) |
| 17:27.53 | JademusSreg | DialogControlGetSelectedItem is the function in galaxy. Probably called something similar in GUI. |
| 17:27.56 | JademusSreg | (Maybe.) |
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| 17:29.11 | XenoX101 | hi dresnia |
| 17:29.28 | Dresnia | yow |
| 17:29.37 | Mexa | I am back |
| 17:29.42 | Dresnia | wb |
| 17:29.53 | Mexa | hello on you too |
| 17:30.47 | Dresnia | Really, I'll ask again. |
| 17:30.56 | Dresnia | Gimme some game I could play untill D3 is up :-( |
| 17:31.40 | *** join/#sc2mapster Seyon (~chatzilla@175.176.244.83) |
| 17:32.46 | Motive | MOTIVE IS HERE, TORDY |
| 17:32.46 | Motive | YES |
| 17:32.47 | Motive | YES HE IS |
| 17:32.55 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 17:33.01 | Mexa | yawn |
| 17:33.05 | Mexa | Nash? |
| 17:33.10 | Motive | Also, totally going to be an ass and mention you could do it with a data table more efficiently, Jademus :> |
| 17:33.15 | Motive | or an array |
| 17:33.16 | Motive | or something |
| 17:33.21 | Mexa | Nashface, I |
| 17:33.23 | Dresnia | Motive just zip it |
| 17:33.26 | tordy | aw shit son |
| 17:33.26 | JademusSreg | No doubt. |
| 17:33.27 | tordy | aw SHIET |
| 17:33.34 | Motive | I will not zip my pants, no. |
| 17:33.35 | JademusSreg | But I'm not gonna bother him with that. |
| 17:33.38 | tordy | awwwww SHIET |
| 17:33.44 | tordy | SHIEEEEEEEEEEEEET |
| 17:33.58 | tordy | Motive is here |
| 17:34.00 | Motive | CANT A MAN NOT WEAR PANTS IN HIS OWN HOUSE ANYMORE? |
| 17:34.01 | tordy | :D |
| 17:34.06 | JademusSreg | If he had to ask how to do something that simple, I assume he doesn't need to burdened with more complicated stuff. =D |
| 17:34.17 | Motive | This is true. |
| 17:34.19 | tordy | Motive just wanted to say im sorry |
| 17:34.32 | Motive | sorry? what? |
| 17:34.35 | tordy | for having more fun trolling in your map than actual roleplaying |
| 17:34.39 | tordy | <_< |
| 17:34.40 | tordy | >_> |
| 17:34.44 | Motive | oh |
| 17:34.45 | Motive | dont worry |
| 17:34.47 | Motive | fixing that :p |
| 17:34.51 | tordy | >:) |
| 17:34.58 | tordy | i found a way to make an invisible killer |
| 17:35.02 | Mexa | I'm up on 28hours Nash <_< |
| 17:35.03 | tordy | fix it! |
| 17:35.22 | Mexa | or 27 |
| 17:35.29 | Mexa | Not feeling that good tho right now D: |
| 17:35.32 | tordy | invisible such that there's no way for other players to figure out who's killing their units |
| 17:35.35 | Mexa | Very sleepityteepity |
| 17:35.35 | tordy | they can check the message history |
| 17:35.41 | Dresnia | I found my old MW2 steam account |
| 17:35.42 | Dresnia | oh the joy |
| 17:35.44 | tordy | but i just wait a bit for the message history to purge my commands |
| 17:35.48 | tordy | so they wont know |
| 17:35.49 | Motive | Lol |
| 17:35.57 | Motive | Jademus made an invisible killer in like 30 seconds |
| 17:35.57 | Motive | :( |
| 17:36.01 | tordy | D: |
| 17:36.10 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 17:36.24 | tordy | the invisible killer has an invisible model, no minimap radius, makes no sound nor animations when attacking |
| 17:36.29 | tordy | it's pretty funny i guess |
| 17:36.36 | tordy | when the player gets paranoid and starts blaming everyone |
| 17:36.37 | JademusSreg | Silly tordy, Motiove has seen me do it. |
| 17:36.54 | tordy | and i figured out the trolling limitations |
| 17:37.03 | A1win | wondering how I should do sanity loss from monsters... currently the idea is to give a debuff that eats sanity over time, and its timer resets every time you come too close to a monster that you can see |
| 17:37.06 | Motive | http://i.imgur.com/ViIuX.jpg |
| 17:37.07 | Motive | Bahahaha |
| 17:37.10 | tordy | by looking at the galaxy script on the anti-trolling <_< |
| 17:37.23 | tordy | Motive i wanna hug |
| 17:37.26 | tordy | no homo |
| 17:37.36 | Motive | I take hugs by appointment, and for a small fee. |
| 17:37.42 | Dresnia | lol Motive |
| 17:37.49 | tordy | then how come JademusSreg gets his for free? |
| 17:37.54 | tordy | not fair! |
| 17:38.01 | Motive | Jademus made me Photon Cycles. |
| 17:38.09 | tordy | he made it for you? |
| 17:38.12 | Motive | Not rly |
| 17:38.14 | JademusSreg | SS_BlackEdgeBorder also fun. =D |
| 17:38.16 | Dresnia | I got enough boddy too hug all of you at once ? But only with shirts out on a sweaty day. Your call ! |
| 17:38.23 | Dresnia | body* >_< |
| 17:38.28 | tordy | problem with SS_BlackEdgeBorder is you can see the minimap radius |
| 17:38.40 | Motive | Eh, it's 79 degrees here |
| 17:38.41 | tordy | so people figure out who you are |
| 17:38.44 | Motive | Won't be for long but hey |
| 17:39.01 | *** join/#sc2mapster retcon (53172aed@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.23.42.237) |
| 17:39.02 | Dresnia | My house is always at 21-22 |
| 17:39.05 | XenoX101 | if all the units in a group die, does it become an empty unit group? |
| 17:39.14 | tordy | not sure |
| 17:39.18 | *** join/#sc2mapster Rnuomer (~chatzilla@cpe-67-240-129-41.rochester.res.rr.com) |
| 17:39.18 | Mexa | http://www.akamai.com/html/technology/dataviz1.html UK, Netherlands, Germany and France being .gov victims atm? |
| 17:39.18 | Motive | Yes and no. |
| 17:39.20 | Dresnia | it becomes a sad group :-( |
| 17:39.23 | tordy | might breifly include Dead units |
| 17:39.25 | Motive | ^ |
| 17:39.30 | JademusSreg | Zugzug |
| 17:39.35 | A1win | dead units stay in unit groups too, |
| 17:39.39 | JademusSreg | Always check if the units are alive. =D |
| 17:39.39 | Motive | basically will include dead units until they're garbage collected, iirc |
| 17:39.42 | A1win | not sure when they get removed |
| 17:40.00 | Motive | generally speaking they're gone once their body leaves the world. |
| 17:40.01 | JademusSreg | (This was a problem more often in wc3.) |
| 17:40.03 | Dresnia | .gov victims ? |
| 17:40.07 | XenoX101 | that sucks |
| 17:40.13 | XenoX101 | how can I check if a player has lost all their units then :( |
| 17:40.13 | Mexa | goverments being targetet I would guess |
| 17:40.15 | A1win | there's a "number of living/dead units in unit group" function |
| 17:40.19 | Mexa | #Antisex |
| 17:40.22 | XenoX101 | o.. |
| 17:40.24 | Mexa | #Antisec *** |
| 17:40.28 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 17:40.30 | XenoX101 | wheres that |
| 17:40.31 | A1win | "Number of Units in Unit Group" |
| 17:40.40 | tordy | for the Number of Units in Unit Group function |
| 17:40.47 | XenoX101 | ah |
| 17:40.58 | tordy | does it actually count all the units or just read some variable already stored |
| 17:41.00 | Dresnia | Mexa what do you mean ? |
| 17:41.10 | Dresnia | I live in the center between netherlands/germany/france |
| 17:41.13 | Dresnia | Yet my country isn't shown |
| 17:41.14 | A1win | tordy, what's the difference? |
| 17:41.18 | Dresnia | since it's small :( |
| 17:41.20 | Motive | /facepalm |
| 17:41.22 | XenoX101 | why do condition definitions have actions |
| 17:41.22 | Motive | Cuz it took me a couple months to make this FPS engine. This is not a trigger based FPS engine, this is a data + trigger FPS engine. Reason why U can't just sit down and make this engine in one sitting. Reason why it work so well online. I havn't shared this engine out as I wanta make a benchmark shooter first before i send this out. Also I've worked so hard on this engine I got my right |
| 17:41.22 | Motive | to keep it. |
| 17:41.27 | Motive | Lol. |
| 17:41.30 | Motive | A couple months to make an FPS engine. -. |
| 17:41.30 | tordy | <_< |
| 17:41.31 | Motive | -.-* |
| 17:41.38 | Motive | I made my first FPS engine in beta in like 2 days. |
| 17:41.46 | Motive | Wasn't great but it wasn't bad either, could've been expanded so much more |
| 17:41.47 | XenoX101 | in fact wtf are condition definitions |
| 17:41.54 | XenoX101 | they look just like action definitons |
| 17:41.55 | tordy | A1win one uses a loop to count, so x units operations |
| 17:41.56 | A1win | XenoX101, they are just like functions, except they're always booleans |
| 17:41.57 | tordy | the other is constant time |
| 17:41.58 | Mexa | Dresnia, takedown on government sites and servers is not going to affect you |
| 17:42.10 | tordy | prob doesnt make adamn difference |
| 17:42.10 | XenoX101 | what do you mean always boolean |
| 17:42.16 | Mexa | Maybe they didn't go after yours |
| 17:42.17 | tordy | but w/e would be nice to know |
| 17:42.21 | Motive | IsUnitAMan() |
| 17:42.25 | XenoX101 | action definitions return whatever you want them to |
| 17:42.25 | Dresnia | I'm confused |
| 17:42.25 | Motive | IsMexaMexican() |
| 17:42.26 | Motive | stuff like that |
| 17:42.27 | A1win | tordy, yea but it's hard level stuff anyway |
| 17:42.28 | Motive | yes/no answers |
| 17:42.30 | Dresnia | What do these %'s state Mexa |
| 17:42.32 | tordy | since im calling this function a bunch |
| 17:42.46 | tordy | on a unit group that could potentially have thousands |
| 17:42.47 | retcon | hi, I'm having trouble with my weapon's damage |
| 17:42.48 | Motive | bool IsMotiveUberCool() { return true; } |
| 17:42.50 | Motive | etc |
| 17:42.50 | Mexa | It monitors percentage of network traffic/attacks |
| 17:42.54 | A1win | no point going to optimize something as simple as that |
| 17:43.00 | retcon | I set the damage effect to 24, yet the damage in game is still 10 |
| 17:43.00 | Dresnia | wierd useless stuff |
| 17:43.08 | tordy | well im using a debugger to check it out, dont see much of a difference |
| 17:43.09 | *** join/#sc2mapster Bibendus (~Bibendus@ip-80-67-114-201.static.adsl.cheapnet.it) |
| 17:43.14 | tordy | in cpu time usage |
| 17:43.17 | A1win | I'm pretty sure the unit group system keeps track of the number without having to count it separately every time |
| 17:43.18 | tordy | so guess ill do whatever |
| 17:43.19 | retcon | and yes, I made sure that it's the correct effect and weapon for my unit |
| 17:43.30 | Motive | I know how the playergroups work |
| 17:43.32 | Motive | no clue about unitgroups |
| 17:43.32 | A1win | I mean, why wouldn't it =p |
| 17:43.33 | Motive | Lol |
| 17:43.40 | Motive | playergroup is just a uint32 bitmask of players |
| 17:43.50 | Motive | (1 << 1) = player 1 flag |
| 17:43.52 | XenoX101 | ah I found the right condition, "Unit Group Is Dead" |
| 17:43.55 | Motive | (1 << 2) = player 2 flag |
| 17:43.57 | Motive | etc |
| 17:43.58 | A1win | mmh |
| 17:44.03 | XenoX101 | and "Number of Units in Unit Group" would still not work for dead units |
| 17:44.08 | XenoX101 | because you said they are still in the group |
| 17:44.12 | A1win | huh? |
| 17:44.20 | XenoX101 | so they'd count within that number of nuits |
| 17:44.23 | XenoX101 | units* |
| 17:44.24 | A1win | doesn't it have an option for living/dead? |
| 17:44.25 | XenoX101 | I'm guessing |
| 17:44.26 | Motive | speaking of which |
| 17:44.36 | A1win | living/dead/any, that is |
| 17:45.02 | XenoX101 | oh thats right |
| 17:45.03 | XenoX101 | it does too |
| 17:45.03 | Motive | http://pastebin.com/z3SD1MrM |
| 17:45.10 | A1win | mmm |
| 17:45.10 | XenoX101 | still, Unit Group is Dead works better :p |
| 17:45.15 | Motive | Prolly the most efficient implementation of changing everyone's colors in-game and ensuring uniqueness |
| 17:45.16 | Motive | :) |
| 17:45.17 | A1win | yea |
| 17:45.20 | Motive | O(n) runtime ftw |
| 17:45.28 | XenoX101 | thx though |
| 17:46.02 | XenoX101 | if I have 10 conditions that are the same except or player number |
| 17:46.11 | XenoX101 | theres no way to use a definition for that is there |
| 17:46.16 | XenoX101 | seems so redundant |
| 17:46.21 | XenoX101 | except for* |
| 17:46.25 | Motive | ofc there is |
| 17:46.27 | Motive | add a parameter |
| 17:46.27 | Motive | Lol |
| 17:46.29 | A1win | mmh? |
| 17:46.35 | XenoX101 | paramater? |
| 17:46.41 | tordy | im a big |
| 17:46.43 | Motive | take player as a parameter |
| 17:46.46 | Motive | return using parameter |
| 17:46.51 | XenoX101 | condition for the trigger |
| 17:46.53 | A1win | make a new condition that checks them all with a loop ;p |
| 17:46.57 | tordy | well |
| 17:47.04 | tordy | i guess it's reading something stored |
| 17:47.06 | tordy | instead of acutally count |
| 17:47.08 | tordy | which is good |
| 17:47.14 | XenoX101 | I cant put for loops or action definitions in the conditions of a trigger |
| 17:47.23 | Motive | you can put functions in them :P |
| 17:47.28 | XenoX101 | oh you can.. |
| 17:47.34 | A1win | make a condition definition |
| 17:47.43 | tordy | i lied |
| 17:47.47 | Motive | oh man, xeno101, you're making that connection now :P |
| 17:47.53 | Motive | now everything's going to get 16x easier when you make maps |
| 17:47.56 | Motive | :D |
| 17:48.09 | XenoX101 | hm |
| 17:48.18 | XenoX101 | condition definitions.. |
| 17:48.23 | XenoX101 | they have actions in them |
| 17:48.28 | XenoX101 | how does that work |
| 17:48.30 | A1win | yea? ;p |
| 17:48.33 | A1win | same as any other function |
| 17:48.37 | A1win | nothing special about them |
| 17:48.41 | XenoX101 | but if an action is a condition |
| 17:48.43 | A1win | just return true/false |
| 17:48.45 | XenoX101 | that makes no sense |
| 17:48.51 | Motive | exactly |
| 17:48.52 | Motive | GUI sucks |
| 17:48.55 | A1win | eh? :P |
| 17:48.57 | Motive | there is no such thing as: |
| 17:48.57 | XenoX101 | cant have "If Set variable = blah" |
| 17:49.00 | Motive | a) an action definition |
| 17:49.02 | Motive | b) condition definition |
| 17:49.05 | Motive | c) any definition at all |
| 17:49.07 | XenoX101 | or "If Create unit here" |
| 17:49.08 | Motive | there are only functions. |
| 17:49.32 | XenoX101 | so how does it know when its true or not |
| 17:49.32 | A1win | mm |
| 17:49.39 | A1win | eh? |
| 17:49.41 | Motive | you return it |
| 17:49.43 | XenoX101 | does it look for an 'if' |
| 17:49.46 | Motive | and use it elsewhere |
| 17:49.52 | A1win | if set variable = blah { return true } |
| 17:49.55 | A1win | else return false |
| 17:50.00 | retcon | can anyone help me with that weapon problem? |
| 17:50.08 | JademusSreg | HAha |
| 17:50.16 | A1win | you're making this too complex XenoX101 =P |
| 17:50.30 | XenoX101 | if the variable is set? how does it check that? |
| 17:50.38 | A1win | what check what X_x |
| 17:50.43 | XenoX101 | what I'm saying is |
| 17:50.50 | A1win | what do you want to do? |
| 17:50.51 | XenoX101 | if an action is a condition |
| 17:50.56 | tordy | maybe THIS will change your mind |
| 17:50.58 | XenoX101 | that makes no sense |
| 17:51.01 | XenoX101 | but anyway |
| 17:51.02 | XenoX101 | I'll try it |
| 17:51.05 | A1win | you can't put actions in conditions |
| 17:51.10 | XenoX101 | exactly |
| 17:51.16 | XenoX101 | so how the fuck do condition definitons work |
| 17:51.18 | XenoX101 | definitions* |
| 17:51.20 | A1win | if by action you mean a function that doesnt' return anything |
| 17:51.26 | A1win | they *return* true or false |
| 17:51.31 | A1win | they aren't actions |
| 17:51.53 | XenoX101 | how do you return a true or false statement |
| 17:51.56 | XenoX101 | from a set variable |
| 17:52.01 | A1win | huh? |
| 17:52.02 | XenoX101 | its not checking anything |
| 17:52.05 | A1win | what's a set variable? |
| 17:52.05 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 17:52.06 | XenoX101 | its just setting a variable |
| 17:52.12 | JademusSreg | "if set variable = blah { return true }" |
| 17:52.19 | XenoX101 | no no |
| 17:52.20 | XenoX101 | without if |
| 17:52.21 | JademusSreg | That's at what I was laghing. |
| 17:52.22 | XenoX101 | just set variable |
| 17:52.26 | A1win | ..? |
| 17:52.35 | XenoX101 | condition definition |
| 17:52.36 | XenoX101 | Actions > |
| 17:52.37 | A1win | you're not making sense D: |
| 17:52.41 | XenoX101 | Set variable blah blah |
| 17:52.47 | XenoX101 | return true = ????? |
| 17:52.48 | A1win | why'd you do that? |
| 17:52.51 | XenoX101 | ... |
| 17:52.54 | JademusSreg | if (bool expression) { DoStuff(); } |
| 17:52.57 | XenoX101 | I'm asking how that works |
| 17:53.14 | XenoX101 | how would it treat that |
| 17:53.21 | A1win | the point is that you *check* something and then return true or false based on that |
| 17:53.30 | A1win | if you just do set variable = something, return true |
| 17:53.34 | XenoX101 | so you need an If statement |
| 17:53.34 | A1win | it doesn't check the variable at all |
| 17:53.37 | A1win | just returns true |
| 17:53.59 | Motive | you don't need an if, no |
| 17:54.04 | JademusSreg | Also, that's silly if you want to return. |
| 17:54.04 | A1win | yeah, you need some sort of branching within it or it's always true or false |
| 17:54.05 | Motive | conditions return a boolean value |
| 17:54.05 | JademusSreg | HAha |
| 17:54.14 | Motive | a boolean value can be set to a variabl |
| 17:54.17 | Motive | or it can be used directly |
| 17:54.23 | XenoX101 | its not a condition though god damnit |
| 17:54.24 | Motive | ex: if(true) |
| 17:54.25 | JademusSreg | return (poop==shit); |
| 17:54.26 | XenoX101 | set variable is not a condition |
| 17:54.28 | XenoX101 | its an action |
| 17:54.34 | Motive | ex: if(bobIsFat()) |
| 17:54.38 | Motive | all of these return true/false |
| 17:54.49 | A1win | XenoX101, what kind of a condition do you want to make? |
| 17:54.51 | Motive | bobIsFat() just returns true/false to the if statement rather than having it be right there as if(true) |
| 17:54.58 | Mexa | brb |
| 17:54.59 | XenoX101 | a condition that goes through all the players |
| 17:55.01 | XenoX101 | in a loop |
| 17:55.05 | XenoX101 | and does something predetermined |
| 17:55.10 | Motive | that's not a condition |
| 17:55.14 | XenoX101 | er |
| 17:55.18 | XenoX101 | checks something predetermined |
| 17:55.19 | XenoX101 | I mean |
| 17:55.25 | Motive | Ok so, for example |
| 17:55.27 | XenoX101 | based on the player number of the loop |
| 17:55.38 | XenoX101 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:55.41 | Motive | bool IsPlayerHasNoUnits(int player) |
| 17:55.44 | Motive | or |
| 17:55.47 | *** join/#sc2mapster burne- (d9186da5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.24.109.165) |
| 17:55.55 | Motive | bool NoPlayersHaveUnits() |
| 17:56.00 | burne- | by thunder and lightning |
| 17:56.02 | burne- | I return |
| 17:56.15 | Motive | by fish and trout, I slap you. |
| 17:56.17 | Motive | slaps burne- around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:56.31 | burne- | aww |
| 17:56.35 | burne- | thats not very nice |
| 17:56.52 | XenoX101 | so what do I put in "IsPlayerHasNoUnits" |
| 17:56.59 | retcon | the player? |
| 17:57.06 | Motive | well, lets make an imaginary function |
| 17:57.08 | tordy | there's an IsPlayerHasNoUnits? |
| 17:57.20 | XenoX101 | no its an hypothetical function |
| 17:57.22 | XenoX101 | which I want to make |
| 17:57.24 | tordy | oh :( |
| 17:57.29 | XenoX101 | its a* |
| 17:57.30 | Motive | bool IsPlayerHasNoUnits(int player) { |
| 17:57.38 | Motive | inside this we just put the code that finds out how many unist a player owns |
| 17:57.42 | Motive | for player "player" |
| 17:57.47 | Motive | and return whether that count == 0, true/false |
| 17:58.00 | tordy | GRIFFINDOR |
| 17:58.08 | A1win | I'll give you an example =p |
| 17:58.23 | A1win | let's say you want a condition that checks if all players are still "Playing" and not left the game |
| 17:59.18 | A1win | http://pastebin.com/6Rnya2AM |
| 17:59.47 | A1win | then when you use it, you just add it as a condition |
| 18:00.05 | JademusSreg | Just return ((Status of player TempPlayer) != Playing) |
| 18:00.07 | JademusSreg | =\ |
| 18:00.23 | A1win | that wouldn't work ;p |
| 18:00.26 | Mephs | how do i make a condition that sucks my dick? |
| 18:00.38 | A1win | JademusSreg, that'd return true if any player was still playing |
| 18:00.57 | JademusSreg | return !((Status of player TempPlayer) != Playing) |
| 18:01.02 | Otixa | Fucking fuck fuck |
| 18:01.09 | A1win | XenoX101, or alternatively you can just make a new function definition and use a Comparison condition, and check Are All Players Playing == true |
| 18:01.11 | Motive | double negative ftw |
| 18:01.17 | retcon | Jademus, that would return on the first player |
| 18:01.24 | retcon | you need to chec all the players |
| 18:01.24 | Otixa | Fuck you guys |
| 18:01.26 | retcon | check* |
| 18:01.27 | Otixa | growls |
| 18:02.00 | Motive | I need to buy some compressed air. My computer's already dusty and it's like < 6 months old. T_T |
| 18:02.01 | JademusSreg | It is logically the same thing as using an unnecessary if. |
| 18:02.09 | retcon | no |
| 18:02.23 | A1win | JademusSreg, my if statemenet doesn't return anything if the player is still playing |
| 18:02.30 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 18:02.34 | Motive | Jademus, you still owe me your sexy collision code |
| 18:02.35 | A1win | the return true is after the whole loop |
| 18:02.36 | Motive | I'm going to make it sexier |
| 18:02.37 | Motive | :) |
| 18:02.42 | retcon | you need to go through all the players to be able whether all of them are still playing |
| 18:02.46 | JademusSreg | After I rewrite it, sure. |
| 18:02.51 | Motive | :p |
| 18:03.14 | retcon | to be able to tell* |
| 18:03.19 | XenoX101 | ah |
| 18:03.22 | XenoX101 | "General - Return True" |
| 18:03.27 | XenoX101 | thats the crux there |
| 18:03.40 | Motive | meanwhile I'm going to write some custom scripts for GTA4 with this DotNetScriptHook thing |
| 18:04.09 | JademusSreg | Man, if only I enjoyed GTA. |
| 18:04.14 | Motive | Haha |
| 18:04.25 | Motive | My mod atm just spawns gangs of pedestrians that go crazy and start shooting everyone |
| 18:04.30 | Motive | and if I press 0 it calls the police over |
| 18:04.32 | Motive | so I can have epic firefights |
| 18:05.12 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 18:05.35 | Motive | Now if I can ever find where the damn screenshots are saved... |
| 18:06.29 | Otixa | hits Motive repeatedly with scissors |
| 18:06.34 | A1win | hmm when I get area threat done, I can make monsters come out of buildings when there's a loud noise on the street =p |
| 18:06.55 | A1win | or go up/downstairs if someone's making noise there |
| 18:06.57 | A1win | D: |
| 18:07.03 | Motive | I'm working on my own police mod that I can play |
| 18:07.07 | A1win | or go inside from the street |
| 18:07.08 | Motive | It's more violent than the other ones they have for GTA4 |
| 18:07.09 | Motive | http://i.imgur.com/YGF3h.jpg |
| 18:07.11 | Motive | A SS :P |
| 18:07.16 | Otixa | hits A1win once |
| 18:07.28 | A1win | :O |
| 18:07.34 | burne- | dresniaaaaaa |
| 18:07.37 | Motive | its pretty fun since it's fairly flexible like SC2 |
| 18:07.40 | retcon | violent policeman simulator |
| 18:07.42 | Motive | only problem is GTA4 modding crashes like fuck |
| 18:07.51 | Motive | and debugging is ... fucked |
| 18:07.51 | Motive | Lol |
| 18:07.57 | tordy | if only i can run gta4 |
| 18:08.06 | tordy | the mods look so cool |
| 18:08.08 | Otixa | kicks tordy |
| 18:08.09 | Motive | if you can run SC2 you can run GTA4 |
| 18:08.09 | Motive | :P |
| 18:08.19 | tordy | did they fix the performance problems |
| 18:08.21 | tordy | it runs horribly |
| 18:08.35 | Motive | it only runs horribly if you install mods like ENB |
| 18:08.41 | Motive | which improves the graphics but makes it horribly slower |
| 18:08.45 | Motive | I'm running it in that SS |
| 18:08.59 | tordy | i was running vanilla and was getting shit frames |
| 18:09.05 | Motive | o_O |
| 18:09.21 | Motive | Well, I can run SC2 on Extreme but GTA4 I can't max out the settings with ENB. |
| 18:09.22 | Motive | Without ENB, yes |
| 18:09.26 | Motive | I'd need a 2nd card. Lol |
| 18:09.37 | tordy | i can run sc2 on high well |
| 18:09.40 | tordy | not ultra |
| 18:09.51 | Motive | then just run it regularly |
| 18:09.55 | Motive | it's not a new game so it'll run fine |
| 18:10.08 | tordy | ran gta4 on medium, it looked horrible and ran horribly |
| 18:10.18 | Motive | Ll |
| 18:10.30 | tordy | it's an old game but it's a bad port |
| 18:10.35 | Motive | this is true |
| 18:10.38 | Motive | it's a bad port. Lol |
| 18:10.43 | tordy | yes |
| 18:10.49 | Motive | still fun though :) |
| 18:10.49 | tordy | didnt optimize it for the PC |
| 18:10.53 | tordy | :] |
| 18:11.07 | Motive | just be glad you don't have to deal with natives like this in SC2 |
| 18:11.07 | Motive | http://www.gtamodding.com/index.php?title=List_of_native_functions |
| 18:11.11 | Motive | nearly all undocumented. rofl |
| 18:11.15 | XenoX101 | wtf |
| 18:11.22 | XenoX101 | Script failed to compile: Expected a return value (See Trigger Editor for more details) |
| 18:11.52 | A1win | XenoX101, there needs to be a return statement on the lowest level |
| 18:11.54 | JademusSreg | Forgot a return at the end of the function. |
| 18:12.04 | XenoX101 | http://pastebin.com/DG9j4jZV |
| 18:12.16 | XenoX101 | what do you mean 'on the lowest levle' |
| 18:12.23 | XenoX101 | at the bottom? |
| 18:12.33 | A1win | yeah and |
| 18:12.36 | A1win | that won't work |
| 18:12.40 | XenoX101 | why not |
| 18:12.44 | A1win | it always stops after the first player |
| 18:12.47 | retcon | the League of Legends launcher ordered me to wait around 30 minutes to log in and after that time told me that all the servers are busy and I should try again later |
| 18:12.50 | A1win | because it returns something in both cases |
| 18:12.50 | retcon | brilliant |
| 18:13.08 | XenoX101 | ok |
| 18:13.13 | XenoX101 | so I remove the else function |
| 18:13.16 | XenoX101 | then its good right |
| 18:13.17 | JademusSreg | retcon, use the stupid "secret code". |
| 18:13.31 | A1win | you put the return false at the bottom |
| 18:13.32 | retcon | JademusSreg, it's not a problem with the first screen |
| 18:13.37 | A1win | so if it doesnt' return true for any player |
| 18:13.44 | A1win | it returns false after going through the loop |
| 18:13.46 | XenoX101 | ah k |
| 18:13.50 | retcon | I can type in my login data, it just tells me to wait |
| 18:14.03 | XenoX101 | you'd think it would default to false like a non-retarded editor |
| 18:14.05 | XenoX101 | but anyway |
| 18:14.06 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 18:14.26 | retcon | Approximated wait time: 2 hr 33 min |
| 18:14.57 | A1win | XenoX101, I don't think any programming language defaults return values to anything :P |
| 18:15.13 | XenoX101 | yes but these are condition definitions |
| 18:15.22 | XenoX101 | they are defined as either returning true or false |
| 18:15.32 | XenoX101 | so if they dont return true, there can be only one other option |
| 18:15.42 | A1win | they are just functions like any other |
| 18:15.52 | XenoX101 | they end in a boolean though |
| 18:15.56 | A1win | you can set the return type at the top |
| 18:16.11 | A1win | (but probably will break a condition definition if you change it) |
| 18:16.16 | XenoX101 | it just doesnt make sense to need to do something it can figure out itself |
| 18:16.18 | XenoX101 | but anyway |
| 18:16.22 | A1win | :P |
| 18:16.43 | A1win | what if you'd have wanted to return the other option that it defaults to |
| 18:16.45 | A1win | and forget it D: |
| 18:16.49 | A1win | then it returns the wrong value |
| 18:17.03 | A1win | it'd just cause more bugs at the cost of saving a little time |
| 18:17.20 | XenoX101 | maybe |
| 18:17.30 | XenoX101 | from memory though |
| 18:17.32 | XenoX101 | there is a setting |
| 18:17.43 | XenoX101 | not a setting I mean |
| 18:18.01 | XenoX101 | I remember when I was doing some basic programming in the past |
| 18:18.14 | XenoX101 | there were functions that would always return false or true |
| 18:18.24 | XenoX101 | predetermined |
| 18:18.36 | XenoX101 | unless you changed them or something |
| 18:18.39 | A1win | Otixa, I enabled free camera for the players (with bounds around the area they're at) and disabled that funky pathfinding thing =p |
| 18:18.47 | A1win | feels a lot better now |
| 18:19.12 | A1win | XenoX101, well dunno... does it really matter anyway :E |
| 18:19.14 | tordy | Otixa is back! |
| 18:19.15 | XenoX101 | meh, I'm way out of my depth here |
| 18:19.16 | tordy | :) |
| 18:19.26 | XenoX101 | best I coded was simple javascript |
| 18:19.34 | Motive | http://i.imgur.com/gMc6H.jpg |
| 18:19.35 | XenoX101 | and flash actionscript, ah those were the days |
| 18:19.36 | Motive | so exciting :D |
| 18:19.51 | Motive | that's my first of a few "incident types", various emergencies you respond to |
| 18:20.00 | Motive | this one's just a full out shootout |
| 18:20.34 | Otixa | A1win, good |
| 18:20.55 | A1win | and free camera let me move camera closer to the player indoors, so the buildings don't look so damn small anymore :P |
| 18:22.18 | Motive | you can also summon partners |
| 18:22.19 | Motive | :) |
| 18:22.22 | Motive | when not responding |
| 18:22.30 | mapman_ | If number of players=7, then Pick each integer from 1 to (number of players/2)=? |
| 18:22.32 | Motive | it's my side-SC2 project for when I'm bored |
| 18:22.49 | mapman_ | 1,2,3 or 1,2,3,4? |
| 18:23.04 | A1win | 1,2,3 |
| 18:23.08 | mapman_ | every time? |
| 18:23.22 | A1win | 7/2 = 3.5 which is 3 as an integer |
| 18:23.27 | mapman_ | yea i know |
| 18:23.31 | mapman_ | but you never know |
| 18:23.31 | mapman_ | .. |
| 18:23.36 | mapman_ | cuz |
| 18:23.46 | tordy | i still cant figure out how active players works |
| 18:23.53 | A1win | converting to an integer always just drops everything after the dor |
| 18:23.54 | A1win | dot |
| 18:24.09 | mapman_ | my trigger seems imaculate, yet i get the same player in two teams |
| 18:24.17 | mapman_ | let me pastebin it |
| 18:24.19 | A1win | if you want to round up, you need to do it for the real value, or add 1 to the integer before dividing |
| 18:24.40 | XenoX101 | hey with player groups is there any other way to assign them |
| 18:24.46 | XenoX101 | than by using like for loops? |
| 18:25.25 | A1win | hmm? |
| 18:25.35 | XenoX101 | well you have to set them as variables right |
| 18:25.37 | A1win | wha do you mean by assigning |
| 18:25.41 | XenoX101 | I mean |
| 18:25.41 | A1win | *what |
| 18:25.44 | XenoX101 | Add player 1 to player group A |
| 18:25.49 | XenoX101 | Add player 2 to player grou pA |
| 18:25.52 | XenoX101 | etc |
| 18:26.00 | XenoX101 | theres no easier way to do it cept using a for loop |
| 18:26.00 | XenoX101 | right |
| 18:26.06 | A1win | yup |
| 18:26.09 | XenoX101 | k |
| 18:26.17 | A1win | or you can use "pick each player in player group" and then use (Picked player) |
| 18:26.27 | A1win | but it's just a for loop too |
| 18:26.35 | A1win | just no need to define the iterator yourself |
| 18:26.38 | XenoX101 | how is that possible |
| 18:26.40 | mapman_ | ok please tell me how it is possibly possible that this trigger puts the same player everal times in each player group |
| 18:26.40 | mapman_ | http://pastebin.com/NhrHkrhr |
| 18:26.51 | XenoX101 | you cant pick each player from a player group with no players |
| 18:26.56 | mapman_ | it seems immaculate to me |
| 18:26.57 | A1win | hmm? |
| 18:27.00 | XenoX101 | chicken or the egg thing |
| 18:27.15 | A1win | if there are no players, it does nothing |
| 18:27.16 | XenoX101 | the player group must exist before you can pick players from it |
| 18:27.29 | A1win | obviously ;p |
| 18:27.30 | XenoX101 | I mean the players must be in it first |
| 18:27.44 | A1win | I mean |
| 18:27.45 | XenoX101 | so using pick each player to.. add players to the group |
| 18:27.46 | XenoX101 | seems impossible |
| 18:27.47 | mapman_ | yo a1win you checking it? |
| 18:27.48 | A1win | there are predefined player groups |
| 18:27.51 | A1win | like Active Players |
| 18:27.52 | XenoX101 | oh there are? |
| 18:27.55 | XenoX101 | oh |
| 18:27.55 | XenoX101 | yeah |
| 18:27.56 | mapman_ | ill give you a piece of cake :d |
| 18:28.02 | XenoX101 | can you create a predefined one |
| 18:28.09 | A1win | but don't use Active Players as it is, it bugs if a player disconnects while the map is loading |
| 18:28.19 | XenoX101 | ic |
| 18:28.23 | mapman_ | o rly |
| 18:28.30 | A1win | on map init, do pick each player in active players: if player is playing { add player to custom_active_players_group } |
| 18:28.33 | XenoX101 | *goes to create troll map* |
| 18:28.39 | mapman_ | oh, just on map init? |
| 18:28.49 | A1win | mapman_, I wasn't talking to you |
| 18:29.02 | mapman_ | i know |
| 18:29.05 | mapman_ | but still o rly |
| 18:29.06 | mapman_ | :P |
| 18:29.15 | A1win | ? :X |
| 18:29.32 | mapman_ | oh well thanks still i guess ill figure it out by myself |
| 18:29.55 | A1win | that's confusing to look at with all the line wraps :I |
| 18:30.01 | XenoX101 | oh man I'm confused now |
| 18:30.06 | XenoX101 | there is "Pick each player" |
| 18:30.12 | XenoX101 | and "For each player in player group" |
| 18:30.19 | A1win | XenoX101, they're pretty much the same thing |
| 18:30.25 | XenoX101 | ic |
| 18:30.31 | A1win | except in pick each player, the iterator is the Picked Player function |
| 18:30.37 | A1win | and not a custom variable |
| 18:30.38 | XenoX101 | the iterator? |
| 18:30.58 | A1win | iterator is the variable that's set to the picked player ;p |
| 18:31.05 | mapman_ | anyone willing to check my trigger?" |
| 18:31.11 | A1win | like For each TempPlayer in ..., the TempPlayer is the iterator |
| 18:31.12 | XenoX101 | how do you call it |
| 18:31.17 | Motive | hmm interesting |
| 18:31.21 | mapman_ | wheres jade when i need him |
| 18:31.24 | mapman_ | :P |
| 18:31.29 | A1win | XenoX101, call what? |
| 18:31.34 | XenoX101 | the iterator |
| 18:31.36 | Motive | I fixed all my GTA4 crashes by moving the police car spawn points from random coordinates to right next to me instead :/ |
| 18:31.38 | Motive | wtfbbq |
| 18:31.43 | A1win | there's a function called Picked Player |
| 18:31.49 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 18:31.50 | XenoX101 | ah |
| 18:32.24 | A1win | just remember that you can't use two Pick Each Player actions within each other, or the Picked Player will get confused and the script cause a runtime error ;p |
| 18:32.57 | Dresnia | PFFFFT |
| 18:33.01 | XenoX101 | wheres the if player is playing thing |
| 18:33.04 | Dresnia | Guy just out the door |
| 18:33.09 | A1win | Status of Player I tink |
| 18:33.11 | A1win | *think |
| 18:33.14 | Dresnia | Made a price for placing my floor outside Q_Q |
| 18:33.18 | Dresnia | donations plux |
| 18:33.21 | XenoX101 | ah ty' |
| 18:33.28 | Motive | Bahaha I have an idea :> |
| 18:34.05 | Motive | going to spawn the cars next to me, quickly fill them up with passengers (cops) and then, once all that's done, teleport the car far away again. |
| 18:34.08 | Motive | lets see if that crashes. lol |
| 18:34.52 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 18:35.07 | JademusSreg | Where you spawning the random points? |
| 18:35.16 | JademusSreg | *Where were |
| 18:35.47 | A1win | shower time |
| 18:36.19 | A1win | all this furious tech supporting has made me all sweaty :[ |
| 18:36.34 | Dresnia | http://images.4chan.org/b/src/1308681264308.jpg check it |
| 18:36.35 | Dresnia | it's awesome |
| 18:36.38 | Dresnia | no porn/gore |
| 18:36.43 | Dresnia | just a badass car and the stig |
| 18:36.52 | Motive | kersplash, crash :( |
| 18:36.55 | JademusSreg | Yeah, not interested. |
| 18:37.05 | Motive | Vector3 v3 = World.GetNextPositionOnStreet(Player.Character.Position.Around(150.0f)); |
| 18:37.07 | JademusSreg | If it was porn, I might have bothered to look. =D |
| 18:37.18 | Motive | should be fine. Lol |
| 18:37.22 | Motive | it's not even that far, really, 150.0f |
| 18:38.12 | Dresnia | Nash|327 |
| 18:38.19 | Dresnia | http://www.facebook.com/maarten.maho |
| 18:38.22 | Dresnia | check the kittuns ! |
| 18:38.35 | Dresnia | and check my retarted face on family picture >_> |
| 18:39.08 | *** join/#sc2mapster Ashamed_ (20616e40@gateway/web/freenode/ip.32.97.110.64) |
| 18:39.21 | Ashamed_ | anyone good with models wanna do be an easy and quick favor? |
| 18:39.29 | Dresnia | *unzips pants* |
| 18:39.31 | Dresnia | go on.. |
| 18:39.31 | Ashamed_ | i just dont want to go pirate 3d max >< |
| 18:39.45 | Ashamed_ | i just need the zaratu model.. with the ribbons removed |
| 18:39.51 | Motive | maybe it has to do with pathing |
| 18:39.52 | Motive | Game.LoadAllPathNodes = true; |
| 18:39.56 | Motive | what that does, I have no idea |
| 18:39.57 | Dresnia | How come we all pirate 99% of our stuff |
| 18:39.57 | Motive | xD |
| 18:40.02 | Dresnia | yet we respect 3d max and don't |
| 18:40.03 | Dresnia | :/ |
| 18:40.20 | Rnuomer | because piracy is BM |
| 18:40.23 | Ashamed_ | i will pirate it one day |
| 18:40.24 | Ashamed_ | but not yet |
| 18:40.37 | Dresnia | That just doesn't make sense, you should be ashamed of yourself ! |
| 18:40.46 | Ashamed_ | it does |
| 18:40.47 | Rnuomer | or you get money & buy it |
| 18:40.51 | Ashamed_ | the ribbon does not scale down :( |
| 18:40.52 | Rnuomer | like 3000 dollars |
| 18:40.57 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 18:41.19 | Dresnia | I need cash aswell, and fast ! |
| 18:41.23 | Dresnia | I hate waiting >_< |
| 18:41.33 | Dresnia | I shouldn't take these 6months jobless gaming breaks.. |
| 18:41.38 | Dresnia | They ruin my reserve stockpile :D |
| 18:41.47 | Rnuomer | stop buy pr0nz |
| 18:41.53 | Rnuomer | & save for max |
| 18:42.05 | Dresnia | I don't need max |
| 18:42.17 | Dresnia | got no clue on anything outside terrain |
| 18:42.39 | Rnuomer | oh k |
| 18:42.40 | Ashamed_ | :( dresnia then why did you ask me to go on |
| 18:42.45 | Ashamed_ | if you couldn't do that for me >< |
| 18:43.07 | Dresnia | Causse I'm highlightning Otixa right now |
| 18:43.10 | Dresnia | And he will do it for you. |
| 18:43.21 | Dresnia | Just becausse I'm telling him to do so ! |
| 18:43.25 | Ashamed_ | lol |
| 18:45.03 | XenoX101 | when testing the map do you and the computer both count as active players? |
| 18:45.22 | *** join/#sc2mapster tordy (ad44a44a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.68.164.74) |
| 18:45.27 | tordy | so |
| 18:45.43 | tordy | how are youg uys doin |
| 18:45.56 | JademusSreg | Goot. |
| 18:46.22 | XenoX101 | why the fuck are my conditions disappearing on these if then else |
| 18:46.24 | XenoX101 | if else if* |
| 18:46.44 | Ashamed_ | they are not |
| 18:46.49 | XenoX101 | they are |
| 18:46.51 | Ashamed_ | i am assuming you are doing something extremly wrong |
| 18:46.51 | XenoX101 | when I copy paste |
| 18:46.58 | XenoX101 | they just disappear |
| 18:46.58 | XenoX101 | no |
| 18:47.03 | Ashamed_ | ....... that makes no sense >< |
| 18:47.05 | Ashamed_ | i have never seen it |
| 18:47.09 | Ashamed_ | try closing out of the editor |
| 18:47.10 | Ashamed_ | and going back in |
| 18:47.52 | XenoX101 | now they're permanently gone |
| 18:48.03 | Ashamed_ | you broked something |
| 18:48.24 | Ashamed_ | dresnia when will otixa be on? |
| 18:48.33 | Dresnia | Let's ask Otixa |
| 18:48.38 | Dresnia | Otixa : when are you online ? |
| 18:48.47 | Dresnia | Otixa, Ashamed could use your help man. |
| 18:48.51 | Ashamed_ | lol |
| 18:48.59 | Ashamed_ | lets just spam him with pings |
| 18:49.01 | Ashamed_ | Otixa |
| 18:49.15 | Ashamed_ | nope |
| 18:49.21 | Ashamed_ | he is rly afk |
| 18:49.21 | Ashamed_ | :* |
| 18:49.24 | Ashamed_ | i may just post something then |
| 18:49.28 | Ashamed_ | if he gets it then so be it |
| 18:49.31 | Dresnia | Otixa |
| 18:49.39 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 18:49.40 | Ashamed_ | lol |
| 18:49.43 | *** join/#sc2mapster Dresnia (~Miranda@94-225-205-79.access.telenet.be) |
| 18:49.47 | Dresnia | DID IT WORK |
| 18:49.50 | Ashamed_ | vry nice dresnia |
| 18:49.50 | JademusSreg | Kicked for flooding. |
| 18:49.51 | Ashamed_ | nope |
| 18:50.05 | Dresnia | you didn't see anything ? |
| 18:50.13 | JademusSreg | [14:49:28] <Dresnia> Otixa |
| 18:50.13 | JademusSreg | [14:49:28] * Dresnia (~Miranda@94-225-205-79.access.telenet.be) Quit (Excess Flood) |
| 18:50.13 | JademusSreg | [14:49:34] <JademusSreg> Haha |
| 18:50.21 | Dresnia | GRRRR |
| 18:50.36 | Dresnia | Well I could try less, but he's clearly not around yet. |
| 18:50.47 | Dresnia | BUT He usually logs on eventually around 11/12 I think |
| 18:51.48 | Motive | Lawl |
| 18:51.53 | Motive | Didn't work, Jademus Q_Q |
| 18:51.58 | Abstruse | also |
| 18:52.02 | Motive | Time to start isolating this bitch. Removing everything else from my GTA install :( |
| 18:52.03 | Abstruse | imamoocow |
| 18:52.13 | Motive | GOD NO, THE MADMOO VIRUS IS BACK? |
| 18:52.21 | Ashamed_ | motive whats going on? |
| 18:52.23 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 18:52.32 | Motive|madmoo | working on my GTA4 mod, Ashamed |
| 18:52.33 | Dresnia | what's this |
| 18:52.45 | Dresnia|madmoo|h | FAYUL |
| 18:52.55 | Dresnia | I added hypingg |
| 18:52.58 | Dresnia | but too long =( |
| 18:53.02 | Motive|madmoo | The infection has begun. |
| 18:54.10 | Ashamed_ | what broked on it motive :( |
| 18:54.31 | Motive|madmoo | GTA4 tends to crash a lot |
| 18:54.37 | Motive|madmoo | its moddable, very moddable, but very crashy |
| 18:54.40 | Motive|madmoo | and debugging the crashes is a bitch |
| 18:54.44 | Abstruse | It's over 9000? |
| 18:54.52 | *** join/#sc2mapster avogatro (~avogatro@nat-wh-hadi.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) |
| 18:57.44 | Otixa | Uhh |
| 18:57.48 | Otixa | You called? |
| 18:58.06 | Dresnia | hey slut |
| 18:58.09 | Dresnia | you missed me |
| 18:58.14 | Dresnia | Yeah I did |
| 18:58.17 | Otixa | Not quite. Get to the point |
| 18:58.29 | Dresnia | Ashamed_ : needs your help |
| 18:58.29 | Ashamed_ | oh shiz |
| 18:58.43 | Ashamed_ | otixa how hard would it be for you to make me a zeratul model without the ribbons on it ? |
| 18:58.57 | Otixa | Not too hard, I'd imagine |
| 18:59.04 | Otixa | But I'm really short on time this week |
| 19:00.16 | XenoX101 | can a player be part of multiple player groups? |
| 19:00.57 | Vail | could you export the ribbon texture and make it invisable inport the invisiable one into the game and swap it out via actor events |
| 19:01.13 | Otixa | I suppose you could |
| 19:01.18 | tordy | Otixa: |
| 19:01.21 | tordy | Otixa |
| 19:01.51 | tordy | what ribbons |
| 19:02.04 | Otixa | The ones on your face |
| 19:02.05 | A1win | XenoX101, yeah |
| 19:02.12 | Otixa | SC2 ribbon shader |
| 19:02.17 | XenoX101 | awesome |
| 19:02.18 | JademusSreg | Ribbon emiters aren't supported yet. |
| 19:02.25 | JademusSreg | Because Ni |
| 19:02.48 | JademusSreg | NiN's convertor is incomplete, and that's being generous. |
| 19:04.28 | Otixa | Also, tordy smells |
| 19:04.34 | tordy | :( |
| 19:07.31 | XenoX101 | damn my brain is like shut off at this time |
| 19:07.36 | *** join/#sc2mapster Triceron (60313557@gateway/web/freenode/ip.96.49.53.87) |
| 19:07.38 | XenoX101 | no more map editing for today |
| 19:08.41 | mapman_ | why is there still a little square on the top right of my screen even though I disabled all ressource and supply display |
| 19:09.27 | mapman_ | its kinda annoying |
| 19:09.55 | JademusSreg | Spite. =D Disable the UI frame, definitely works. |
| 19:10.35 | Otixa | smacks JademusSreg |
| 19:10.53 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 19:11.02 | Otixa | glares and snarls |
| 19:11.22 | JademusSreg | was never into THAT kind of roleplaying. |
| 19:11.43 | A1win | mapman_, there's alliance button and team resource button there too, just not visible in singleplayer |
| 19:12.14 | mapman_ | oh i see |
| 19:12.16 | mapman_ | but uhm |
| 19:12.26 | mapman_ | which UI frame shoiuld i disable |
| 19:12.51 | JademusSreg | The UI frame for the supply display or something. |
| 19:12.56 | A1win | Alliance Button and Team Resource Buttom |
| 19:13.01 | A1win | *n |
| 19:13.05 | mapman_ | ok tks |
| 19:13.12 | A1win | with the Show/Hide UI Frame action |
| 19:13.35 | *** join/#sc2mapster Wiz10011 (~lum_s@ool-435412f5.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 19:13.41 | JademusSreg | I'm just guessing which frame; I'm watching American Dad. |
| 19:13.46 | A1win | hehe |
| 19:13.52 | A1win | I checked it from my map |
| 19:14.04 | Wiz10011 | Hello |
| 19:14.31 | A1win | damn I'm tired a gain, should stop drinking so much energy drinks |
| 19:14.53 | A1win | (and staying awake for so long) |
| 19:14.54 | Otixa | I could use a redbull, but the fridge is all the way downstairs... |
| 19:15.28 | A1win | I think I'll do weapon system next for this |
| 19:15.50 | A1win | any idea how to initiate an effect chain using triggers so that it asks the player for a target? |
| 19:16.07 | JademusSreg | I'll be heading south in a few days, then I shall drink myself stupid with pinot and merlot. |
| 19:16.08 | Dresnia | JademusSreg ? |
| 19:16.19 | JademusSreg | You'll be without me for a week. |
| 19:16.33 | Dresnia | NO |
| 19:16.36 | Dresnia | I DISLIKE |
| 19:16.54 | burne- | dresniiiiiiiaaaaaaaa |
| 19:17.10 | Ashamed_ | i so hate my job lol |
| 19:17.22 | Dresnia | :DDD |
| 19:17.24 | burne- | Ashamed_: dont worry i hate my job too |
| 19:17.46 | Ashamed_ | I HATE MINE MORE |
| 19:18.17 | mapman_ | didnt work guys |
| 19:18.35 | mapman_ | i disabled ga, suply, mineral, alliance, team ressource |
| 19:18.50 | burne- | well that might be true |
| 19:19.02 | burne- | since i have to work for 4months only WITHOUT PAY THOUGH |
| 19:19.12 | A1win | mapman_, what do you mean by a little square anyway? |
| 19:19.23 | A1win | I don't have anything in top right after disabling those |
| 19:20.03 | mapman_ | just like a ressource square, but with no image icon in it |
| 19:20.08 | A1win | ._o |
| 19:20.17 | A1win | have you enabled the custom resouce or something? |
| 19:20.29 | A1win | or using some modified layout file? |
| 19:20.30 | mapman_ | uhm...not that im aware of |
| 19:20.42 | mapman_ | i did use some modified layout file |
| 19:20.49 | mapman_ | if it is what i think it is |
| 19:20.54 | A1win | maybe there's something wrong in it |
| 19:21.04 | mapman_ | downloaded the loaderboard from sc2mapster |
| 19:21.15 | mapman_ | let me disable it |
| 19:21.16 | mapman_ | and see |
| 19:22.16 | A1win | humm JademusSreg, did you do anything about the one row command card layout I asked for yesterday? o: |
| 19:22.23 | A1win | or does anyone else have one around |
| 19:22.38 | JademusSreg | I posted the link almost immediately after you asked. |
| 19:22.42 | A1win | oh |
| 19:22.47 | A1win | I tried to look but didn't notice |
| 19:23.06 | A1win | (after I had been afk for a while) |
| 19:23.11 | mapman_ | nop |
| 19:23.13 | mapman_ | still there |
| 19:23.15 | Dresnia | http://www.gametrailers.com/video/exclusive-relaunch-twisted-metal/716584 |
| 19:23.19 | Dresnia | now that's a arena |
| 19:23.25 | JademusSreg | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/SixteenButtonUI.SC2Layout |
| 19:23.28 | JademusSreg | Test that. |
| 19:23.36 | JademusSreg | Tell me if it works. =D |
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| 19:24.14 | Ashamed_ | jade it didnt work |
| 19:24.17 | mapman_ | what is it? |
| 19:24.33 | nodgene | gentlemen |
| 19:24.44 | Motive|madmoo | Lol |
| 19:24.52 | JademusSreg | Hah. Did they fix the ribbon emitters? |
| 19:24.54 | nodgene | is there a reason why a copied reaper jump will not work if I duplicate all assets? |
| 19:25.01 | Motive|madmoo | Jademus. Oh my God. |
| 19:25.06 | Motive|madmoo | This ends up being the crash: http://pastebin.com/iNeZBCj7 |
| 19:25.13 | Motive|madmoo | Last thing I go to disable in the entire project |
| 19:25.25 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 19:25.29 | Motive|madmoo | Still don't understand why |
| 19:25.30 | Motive|madmoo | But it does |
| 19:25.40 | A1win | JademusSreg, seems to work, thanks |
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| 19:25.45 | Motive|madmoo | Just... wtf. |
| 19:25.45 | Motive|madmoo | Lol |
| 19:25.49 | Motive|madmoo | Bbq. |
| 19:26.12 | JademusSreg | A1, tweak the values as you need. |
| 19:26.25 | Ashamed_ | :( |
| 19:28.03 | JademusSreg | Motive, can the gang be alive and not exist? I guess it deallocates the gang some time after all the members die? |
| 19:28.42 | Otixa | Motive|madmoo, Galaxy is OO? ;/ |
| 19:28.43 | Otixa | wtf. |
| 19:28.57 | A1win | why is the file called SixteenButtonUI though? ;D there are only 15 buttons |
| 19:29.05 | JademusSreg | Naw, C# according to the label. |
| 19:29.20 | Otixa | hrm |
| 19:29.22 | Otixa | Also |
| 19:29.29 | JademusSreg | Oops, I named it wrong, haha. |
| 19:29.33 | Otixa | if (!m_gang[i].Exists() || !m_gang[i].isAlive) <- Shouldn't this be AND instead of OR? |
| 19:29.47 | Otixa | oh wait |
| 19:29.49 | Otixa | nvm |
| 19:29.50 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 19:29.53 | JademusSreg | <3 |
| 19:30.17 | Otixa | Also, I'm not entirely sure |
| 19:30.22 | JademusSreg | Ash, try deleting the emitter. |
| 19:30.29 | Otixa | But isn't b just a clone? |
| 19:30.34 | Otixa | Try passing by reference |
| 19:31.09 | Otixa | shrugs |
| 19:31.21 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 19:31.54 | Otixa | smacks JademusSreg |
| 19:32.03 | Otixa | Can I go to bed now? ¬_¬ |
| 19:32.52 | JademusSreg | If you want. =D |
| 19:33.03 | Otixa | But I still have work to do ._. |
| 19:33.13 | Otixa | And I had 2 hours of sleep today ;/ |
| 19:33.17 | Otixa | And the day sucked balls |
| 19:33.19 | Otixa | whines |
| 19:34.01 | JademusSreg | Go to sleep. |
| 19:34.13 | Otixa | groans |
| 19:34.17 | Otixa | I guess I should |
| 19:34.22 | Otixa | One last cig and I'm off |
| 19:34.41 | Otixa | And I think I'm getting my gf's cold ¬¬ |
| 19:34.48 | Otixa | This keeps getting better and better |
| 19:36.15 | mapman_ | a1win, here is the problem http://i.imgur.com/gJlAe.jpg |
| 19:36.37 | mapman_ | and yes I'm in window mode |
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| 19:37.08 | Otixa | Right, I'm off |
| 19:37.12 | Otixa | See ya nubs tomorrow |
| 19:37.14 | nodgene | right |
| 19:37.18 | Otixa | goes back to the shadows |
| 19:37.19 | burne- | DRESNIA |
| 19:37.29 | burne- | !!! |
| 19:37.32 | nodgene | does anyone knows why duplicating the reaper jump behaviour would not work? |
| 19:37.38 | A1win | mapman_, seems weird, the default UI shouldn't have a thing like that |
| 19:37.40 | burne- | ITS TIME |
| 19:37.58 | mapman_ | eh |
| 19:40.10 | nodgene | OI |
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| 19:53.56 | Vail | lol my plagueling looks like a walking blue lighbulb cus the emissive was too bright |
| 20:00.49 | mapman_ | what map are you guys all working on? |
| 20:01.04 | Nash|327 | We're not all working on one map |
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| 20:02.35 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 20:02.57 | tordy | be nice nash |
| 20:03.12 | Nash|327 | D_D |
| 20:03.20 | Nash|327 | What does nice have to do with it? |
| 20:04.11 | Nash|327 | The question was based on a false premise, I merely provided correcting information. |
| 20:12.17 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/sa/ the last four pics with the one row layouts now |
| 20:13.09 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 20:13.19 | JademusSreg | Glad I could help. |
| 20:16.14 | A1win | can zoom in and out now that the camera isn't locked anymore |
| 20:17.20 | Nash|327 | Jadeface, the friendly neighborhood mapping coach. |
| 20:17.45 | A1win | need to do something about the minimap, it looks like it's missing borders or something |
| 20:18.20 | A1win | looks like it could use a border, that is |
| 20:18.25 | Nash|327 | A1win are you a Finnish boon too? |
| 20:18.30 | A1win | yeah |
| 20:18.48 | Nash|327 | D: |
| 20:18.57 | JademusSreg | Making a border is easy. =D |
| 20:19.05 | Nash|327 | You, burne and Clord D; |
| 20:19.27 | JademusSreg | Just need to define an Image sub frame. |
| 20:19.34 | A1win | mmm |
| 20:19.55 | Nash|327 | Finnish boon invasion |
| 20:21.01 | A1win | didn't know about burne though o: |
| 20:22.44 | Nash|327 | TOO MANY FINNISH |
| 20:22.47 | Nash|327 | FINISH THEM OFF |
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| 20:23.56 | A1win | mmh I think I should include a unit portrait somewhere on that UI... any ideas? |
| 20:24.54 | Nash|327 | what do you need a unit portrait for? |
| 20:25.40 | A1win | centering the camera on the player =P |
| 20:25.46 | A1win | oh well dunno |
| 20:25.57 | A1win | already added town camera to the character |
| 20:28.21 | Nash|327 | D_D |
| 20:29.18 | mapman_ | how do I make specific players victorious and the others defated and end the game for everyone ? |
| 20:29.30 | Nash|327 | A portrait just to click to center on unit? |
| 20:29.39 | nodgene | depends how you set alliances mapman_ |
| 20:30.02 | Nash|327 | Lock camera on unit? |
| 20:30.29 | nodgene | most likely use a "for player in group pick player and do actions" thing, then do it by that, forget the each name of victory or loss action, but then you set the player slot to "picked player" |
| 20:30.58 | A1win | I had it locked on the unit and controls felt awkward |
| 20:31.00 | A1win | and vision limited |
| 20:31.26 | Nash|327 | D_D |
| 20:31.36 | Nash|327 | Isn't vision supposed to be limited? |
| 20:31.43 | A1win | not too limited |
| 20:31.52 | Nash|327 | YOU ARE LOSING SANITATION |
| 20:32.07 | A1win | you should at least be able to see as far as the unit's sight radius reaches :P |
| 20:32.12 | mapman_ | actually its ffa and i just5 want one player victorious |
| 20:32.18 | mapman_ | and all the others defeated |
| 20:32.23 | A1win | but yeah not gonna put the portrait on the UI after all |
| 20:32.27 | Nash|327 | end game in victory for one player |
| 20:32.33 | mapman_ | i used the "end game in victory for player" |
| 20:32.39 | mapman_ | but its fucked up |
| 20:32.44 | Ashamed_ | no it aint |
| 20:32.47 | Ashamed_ | you aint using it right |
| 20:33.01 | mapman_ | aw not again :( |
| 20:33.15 | mapman_ | imma check it up then |
| 20:36.38 | mapman_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:36.49 | mapman_ | well thats a fail paste |
| 20:36.59 | mapman_ | but i think you get the idea |
| 20:37.23 | LordAbyss | mapman |
| 20:37.25 | A1win | pick each integer doesn't set Picked player |
| 20:37.26 | LordAbyss | little tip |
| 20:37.27 | mapman_ | yes? |
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| 20:37.33 | LordAbyss | http://paste.sc2mapster.com/ |
| 20:37.36 | LordAbyss | put it in there |
| 20:37.38 | LordAbyss | and link us that |
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| 20:37.51 | A1win | you should use "pick each player" and "picked player" or "pick each integer" and "picked integer" |
| 20:37.55 | SoulTaker916 | hey jade i accedently uncheck show non-default |
| 20:38.00 | SoulTaker916 | and nwo everything is bad |
| 20:38.12 | SoulTaker916 | and i cant change it back? |
| 20:38.14 | mapman_ | oh |
| 20:38.19 | mapman_ | whats the difference? |
| 20:38.24 | SoulTaker916 | trigger is that u? |
| 20:38.30 | Nash|327 | Different variables. |
| 20:39.24 | SoulTaker916 | anyone? |
| 20:39.36 | A1win | mapman_, if you use "picked integer" outside "pick each integer" loop, it doesn't return any desired value |
| 20:39.38 | SoulTaker916 | how to u recheck show non-default in unit modify? |
| 20:39.45 | A1win | or picked player outside pick each player |
| 20:39.58 | mapman_ | i know, but thats not what i did |
| 20:40.25 | Nash|327 | You used Picked Player outside a Pick each Player loop |
| 20:40.26 | A1win | oh, you have the pick each integer inside a pick each player loop? |
| 20:40.33 | A1win | or... :p |
| 20:40.33 | mapman_ | nah bro |
| 20:40.37 | mapman_ | let me pastebin it |
| 20:40.40 | A1win | Game - End game in Victory for player (Picked player) (Show dialogs, Show score screen) |
| 20:40.45 | A1win | there's Picked player |
| 20:40.49 | Nash|327 | Undefined variable. |
| 20:41.01 | Nash|327 | You dun goofed! |
| 20:41.02 | mapman_ | oh yea |
| 20:41.06 | mapman_ | i didnt notice |
| 20:41.08 | mapman_ | lol |
| 20:41.11 | A1win | hehe |
| 20:41.28 | mapman_ | so i just put Game - End game in Victory for player (Picked integer) (Show dialogs, Show score |
| 20:41.29 | mapman_ | ? |
| 20:41.40 | Ashamed_ | ;i like coming up with new concepts :) |
| 20:41.41 | A1win | yea |
| 20:41.41 | Ashamed_ | its so fun |
| 20:41.45 | mapman_ | ok cool |
| 20:41.46 | Nash|327 | Yes, and then bag me 3 kittuns. |
| 20:41.52 | Nash|327 | Then it should work. |
| 20:41.57 | mapman_ | I always make these little mistakes and i dont notice |
| 20:41.58 | Nash|327 | The kittuns are essential. |
| 20:42.12 | tordy | what did you do that for!? |
| 20:42.48 | SoulTaker916 | im soo ignored |
| 20:42.49 | SoulTaker916 | :/ |
| 20:42.56 | Nash|327 | Yes. |
| 20:43.01 | Rnuomer | kittuns wat |
| 20:43.02 | Nash|327 | /ignore SoulTaker916 |
| 20:43.04 | mapman_ | and will that also end the game in defeat for all other players?? |
| 20:43.05 | Rnuomer | bunnies =:3 |
| 20:43.09 | Nash|327 | KITTUNS |
| 20:43.12 | Rnuomer | BUNNIES |
| 20:43.16 | mapman_ | or do i have to make a separate action? |
| 20:43.19 | Nash|327 | 'tuns |
| 20:43.22 | SoulTaker916 | wow |
| 20:43.27 | Rnuomer | 'knees |
| 20:43.30 | SoulTaker916 | nash got anger issues |
| 20:43.30 | SoulTaker916 | :P |
| 20:43.58 | mapman_ | nash is cool |
| 20:43.58 | Nash|327 | Off to test! |
| 20:43.58 | SoulTaker916 | anyways |
| 20:43.58 | Nash|327 | Get on Bnet if you are EU |
| 20:44.00 | A1win | end game only ends the game for the player in its parameter |
| 20:44.00 | Dresnia | get on EU ! |
| 20:44.01 | Nash|327 | and want to kill stuff |
| 20:44.01 | mapman_ | one who has anger issues is dresia |
| 20:44.08 | mapman_ | typical internet toughguy |
| 20:44.15 | Dresnia | I TOLD YOU |
| 20:44.19 | Dresnia | GET THE FUCK OUT |
| 20:44.19 | SoulTaker916 | does anyone know why i cant recheck the box in unit modify "show non-default"? |
| 20:44.20 | Dresnia | JEZUS |
| 20:44.23 | Dresnia | I GOT NO ANGER ISSUES |
| 20:44.25 | Dresnia | DEAR LORD |
| 20:44.41 | SoulTaker916 | so irratating |
| 20:45.03 | Nash|327 | RAAAAGE |
| 20:45.06 | Dresnia | :p |
| 20:45.14 | Dresnia | mapman_ : i lobe joe |
| 20:45.15 | SoulTaker916 | A1win |
| 20:45.42 | A1win | yeah? |
| 20:45.47 | Nash|327 | EU sc2mapster now |
| 20:45.48 | mapman_ | ITG for short |
| 20:45.48 | Nash|327 | D:~~ |
| 20:45.50 | SoulTaker916 | can u ehlp me? |
| 20:45.52 | SoulTaker916 | r u busy? |
| 20:45.55 | Nash|327 | MUST KILL |
| 20:45.57 | A1win | I don't know what it even is :E |
| 20:46.13 | SoulTaker916 | when u go to data and click a unit |
| 20:46.15 | SoulTaker916 | and click modify |
| 20:46.23 | SoulTaker916 | theres a check box that says show-nondefault |
| 20:46.25 | Dresnia | GUYS |
| 20:46.29 | Dresnia | Anyone from Eu ? |
| 20:46.35 | Dresnia | could use some people too help out testing |
| 20:46.37 | SoulTaker916 | and was tinkering but now i cant rejeck it and its doing weird stuff |
| 20:46.39 | SoulTaker916 | :/ |
| 20:46.44 | Nash|327 | Or Dresnia will eat your eyes. |
| 20:46.50 | A1win | SoulTaker916, dunno, never used it |
| 20:46.51 | Nash|327 | I'm afraid I can't stop him. |
| 20:47.00 | Nash|327 | He finds your eyes delicious. |
| 20:47.01 | SoulTaker916 | nooz |
| 20:47.23 | Nash|327 | D; |
| 20:47.51 | Nash|327 | Oh well, you know where to find me. |
| 20:47.51 | SoulTaker916 | Vail |
| 20:48.03 | SoulTaker916 | jademussreg |
| 20:48.07 | Vail | appears from the void |
| 20:48.15 | SoulTaker916 | yey |
| 20:48.16 | SoulTaker916 | XD |
| 20:48.17 | Vail | who dares disturb my mapping |
| 20:48.20 | SoulTaker916 | i need help |
| 20:48.26 | SoulTaker916 | im havign a bis issue |
| 20:48.31 | SoulTaker916 | cause i fked my map up |
| 20:48.34 | Vail | so do i at the moment |
| 20:48.34 | SoulTaker916 | and i have no idea |
| 20:48.35 | SoulTaker916 | why |
| 20:48.39 | SoulTaker916 | well i know y |
| 20:48.43 | SoulTaker916 | i just dont know how to fix it |
| 20:49.03 | SoulTaker916 | whats urs? |
| 20:49.36 | mapman_ | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
| 20:50.48 | Vail | my edited baneling skin wont show up in editor.. |
| 20:50.56 | Vail | or game |
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| 20:54.10 | SoulTaker916 | lolz |
| 20:54.54 | Vail | well what about your issue? |
| 20:55.21 | SoulTaker916 | i fixed it |
| 20:55.25 | SoulTaker916 | :P |
| 20:55.38 | SoulTaker916 | i unchecked show non-default and i messed up my cows |
| 20:55.39 | SoulTaker916 | XD |
| 20:55.56 | Vail | ah |
| 20:56.12 | JademusSreg | Hi, |
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| 20:56.33 | SoulTaker916 | JADE |
| 20:56.49 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 20:56.55 | JademusSreg | How can I assist? |
| 20:56.55 | SoulTaker916 | *sexes |
| 20:56.59 | SoulTaker916 | i fixed it |
| 20:57.01 | SoulTaker916 | ^.^ |
| 20:57.08 | A1win | mmh I didn't know that ovens were also time slowing machines :| every time I put food in there, time starts to move slower |
| 20:57.20 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 20:57.40 | SoulTaker916 | uh? u didnt know time is slower at ur feet then ur head? |
| 20:57.42 | SoulTaker916 | amazing.. |
| 20:57.46 | JademusSreg | Naw, ovens are used by big green bugs with orange hats to travel forward in time. |
| 20:57.51 | SoulTaker916 | the power of usless junk |
| 20:58.05 | SoulTaker916 | never herd that one |
| 20:58.15 | SoulTaker916 | i was thinking that engery and time priciple.. |
| 20:58.17 | SoulTaker916 | but w/e |
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| 20:58.29 | Bounty | >< |
| 20:58.34 | JademusSreg | <> |
| 20:58.50 | SoulTaker916 | u messed my philosphical analisis of realtime and game time |
| 20:58.51 | SoulTaker916 | :P |
| 20:59.07 | Ashamed_ | i need a modeler >< |
| 20:59.14 | JademusSreg | I was making an MSPA reference. |
| 20:59.25 | A1win | MSPA? |
| 20:59.35 | JademusSreg | MS Paint Adventures. |
| 20:59.39 | A1win | oh... |
| 20:59.44 | A1win | don't tell more |
| 21:00.00 | JademusSreg | In Homestuck, one of the members of the Felt gang uses an oven to travel forward in time. |
| 21:00.07 | JademusSreg | At a rate of one second per second. |
| 21:00.16 | SoulTaker916 | im happy im going into work tomorrow |
| 21:00.18 | SoulTaker916 | hurray! |
| 21:01.41 | SoulTaker916 | i think there going to cancles because i have school and they dont want to conform |
| 21:01.44 | SoulTaker916 | :( |
| 21:02.22 | Mexa | I hath returna |
| 21:02.48 | Mexa | eg Hi |
| 21:02.54 | Mexa | or smth |
| 21:02.54 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 21:03.28 | A1win | JademusSreg, well maybe there's some sense to that... since we now have found out that while there's something in the oven, time *outside* the oven goes slower than one second per second |
| 21:03.36 | A1win | so the things inside go faster than the things outside |
| 21:04.04 | A1win | ahh... so that's why my food burns so easily |
| 21:04.11 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 21:04.24 | A1win | D: |
| 21:04.28 | JademusSreg | I'm not certain how serious you are. |
| 21:04.31 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 21:04.34 | Mexa | Not good.. I've been up for 31 hours straight :V |
| 21:04.57 | Mexa | And I feel my stomach twisting, damn you coffee |
| 21:05.09 | A1win | I'm always serious when it comes to time travel |
| 21:06.05 | A1win | *goes into oven in the hopes of traveling forward in time* *wakes up several months later from coma in a hospital* -> "it worked!" |
| 21:06.09 | JademusSreg | What is this, I don't even. |
| 21:09.29 | A1win | Warning: When this episode aired in Japan, many Japanese children suffered seizures after watching. Viewer Discretion is Advised. |
| 21:09.57 | Ashamed_ | oh shit |
| 21:10.19 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 21:10.34 | JademusSreg | Is that how they labeled my map on SEA? |
| 21:10.42 | JademusSreg | Baduntsss |
| 21:10.59 | Dresnia | http://www.nooooooooooooooo.com/ |
| 21:14.07 | Vail | hmm this is very very strange.. |
| 21:14.21 | SoulTaker916 | yes? |
| 21:14.46 | Vail | my custom texture is blending with the default one and making it more blue |
| 21:15.45 | Mexa | A1win, that pokemon episode? |
| 21:15.51 | A1win | ye x) |
| 21:16.11 | Mexa | ;p |
| 21:16.25 | tordy | uh oh spaghettios! |
| 21:16.55 | Mexa | It was never aired outside of japan either |
| 21:17.11 | Mexa | But dubbed, so it exists on dvd or similar |
| 21:17.57 | Dresnia | OH BTW JademusSreg |
| 21:18.00 | Dresnia | happy father day ! |
| 21:18.04 | Dresnia | tad late tho :P |
| 21:18.18 | Otixa | So much for sleep ¬¬ |
| 21:18.43 | Mexa | Isn't that terrific? My skin is getting burnt and get itchy after some time, if I type or play with it for a long time. |
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| 21:19.09 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 21:19.17 | Mexa | Solution, add something in between, but still luls, stupid computer :| |
| 21:20.39 | Mexa | Oh, Jademus, btw |
| 21:20.50 | Otixa | stares |
| 21:21.05 | Mexa | I saw somewhat doing this in a map: StringExternal("\nBlablabla"); |
| 21:21.09 | Mexa | It seems to work |
| 21:21.35 | Mexa | Did not test it myself, but the guy in the getResolution map/lib made something like that |
| 21:21.58 | Mexa | And i thought string external was to be looked up only at the GameStrings file. |
| 21:22.04 | nodgene | GENTLEMEN |
| 21:22.18 | Otixa | stuffs cigarettes into nodgene's mouth |
| 21:22.20 | nodgene | I need someone familiar with data/behaviour/weapon systems to explain something to me |
| 21:22.20 | Otixa | Shudup. |
| 21:22.57 | JademusSreg | What's up Mexa? |
| 21:22.59 | nodgene | Look, just because you don't get enough hugs doesn't mean you ought to take it out on others, least of all those just asking a question :P |
| 21:23.16 | Otixa | Sure it does ;P |
| 21:23.25 | nodgene | are you aware of aforementioned systems? |
| 21:23.27 | Nash|327 | Hugs are bad. |
| 21:23.43 | Otixa | Nope |
| 21:23.43 | Mexa | Well, I was just letting you knw |
| 21:23.44 | JademusSreg | Data is easy. =D |
| 21:23.45 | Mexa | *know |
| 21:23.51 | nodgene | JADEMUS |
| 21:23.53 | Ashamed_ | JADE no its not |
| 21:23.53 | Mexa | It doesn't make sense to me |
| 21:23.54 | nodgene | You beast |
| 21:23.56 | Nash|327 | Actors are a PITA |
| 21:24.06 | Nash|327 | Everything else is fairly easy. |
| 21:24.09 | Nash|327 | D_D |
| 21:24.21 | nodgene | can you explain to me, please, what in the weapons section of a behaviour, the "cbehaviourBuff_Player" effect and value mean? |
| 21:24.44 | Nash|327 | onoes raw data |
| 21:24.48 | nodgene | because I think, does itmean I can apply say, spectre ultrasonic pulse apply behaviour, to a target? |
| 21:24.49 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 21:25.06 | nodgene | or am I way off? |
| 21:25.31 | nodgene | I mean, I don't quite get what it means by.... "acquireplayer" "player" and "replacelocation" |
| 21:25.36 | JademusSreg | I'm opening the editor to be certain. |
| 21:25.41 | nodgene | does that mean target, shooter, target location? |
| 21:25.47 | nodgene | thank you, |
| 21:26.48 | nodgene | what I'm trying to do is add effects (like slow, stun) to a weapon system without having to set it up like marauder's slow is, for instance. As otherwise it'd take far too long given the choice of units... |
| 21:27.04 | nodgene | so this seems ... usable. |
| 21:27.07 | JademusSreg | Used to switch owner |
| 21:27.12 | Mexa | Hmm, I somewhat got reminded of the Zelda game on CD-I |
| 21:27.19 | JademusSreg | For mind control effects. |
| 21:27.29 | nodgene | oh |
| 21:28.09 | Ashamed_ | -.- |
| 21:28.13 | Nash|327 | I use triggers for that. |
| 21:28.14 | Ashamed_ | ERG i want lunch |
| 21:28.38 | Nash|327 | But I need to use triggers for it anyway. |
| 21:28.51 | nodgene | Jademus, what about the "replacelocation" and "acquireplayer" bits? |
| 21:29.19 | Mexa | http://youtu.be/bNpLXo55yfw Best cutscenes ever ^^ |
| 21:30.31 | Xaragoth | m http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgcEZ8jz_Hc best investment of my money in days : |
| 21:30.32 | Xaragoth | :P |
| 21:30.38 | Xaragoth | shouldn't have bought Terraria |
| 21:30.39 | Xaragoth | ^^ |
| 21:31.21 | Mexa | terraria is still relaxing :) |
| 21:33.04 | JademusSreg | Replace location is used by Mothership Vortex event horizon, so it seems like it might be used for moving shit. |
| 21:33.14 | nodgene | Ah |
| 21:33.36 | Xaragoth | Terraria doesn't hold a candle to awesome ninja magicka :P |
| 21:33.42 | nodgene | do you know if there are any slots in the behaviour fields which would allow me to apply an effect or behaviour onto of a weapon system? |
| 21:35.11 | nodgene | for instance |
| 21:35.17 | nodgene | to make a warpig's attacks slow? |
| 21:35.31 | Ashamed_ | ERG i so need a modeler :) |
| 21:36.51 | JademusSreg | Acquire player is used by Neural Parasite, and creates an effect. So... it's magic. |
| 21:37.05 | Ashamed_ | lol i am looking at a sc mod that is puttiing sc2 units in sc >< |
| 21:37.06 | Ashamed_ | WHY! |
| 21:37.11 | Motive|madmoo | MAGIC |
| 21:37.31 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 21:38.43 | nodgene | magic heh, well at least now I know what those do... still, question stands. |
| 21:38.48 | Bounty | down fer a test jademus? terrain is done |
| 21:39.06 | Jum-Jum | Ashamed: Show me! |
| 21:39.17 | Ashamed_ | http://www.moddb.com/mods/sc2-mod/images/episode-images2#imagebox |
| 21:39.20 | Ashamed_ | doesn't look too bad |
| 21:39.25 | Xaragoth | you call it terrain |
| 21:39.26 | Ashamed_ | but i just want to know WHY |
| 21:39.27 | Xaragoth | i call it horrible |
| 21:39.30 | Xaragoth | :P |
| 21:39.40 | JademusSreg | Sure Bounty. |
| 21:39.46 | Ashamed_ | http://www.moddb.com/mods/sc2-mod/images/sc2-mod-screenshots101#imagebox |
| 21:39.48 | Xaragoth | Bounty: What are you cooking this time? |
| 21:39.57 | Bounty | nothing =P |
| 21:40.42 | Xaragoth | it probably has WASD movement and looks horribly :P |
| 21:41.03 | Ashamed_ | pff bounty gots it |
| 21:41.23 | Xaragoth | bounty is the EA of mapster |
| 21:41.26 | Xaragoth | lots of stuff |
| 21:41.31 | Ashamed_ | lol |
| 21:41.45 | Ashamed_ | bounty you going to take this shit |
| 21:42.29 | Xaragoth | waits for Mephs to creep out of the woodwork. |
| 21:43.12 | Ashamed_ | oh shiz |
| 21:43.13 | Xaragoth | Karawasa is also an option |
| 21:43.16 | Xaragoth | I want entertainment. |
| 21:43.28 | Ashamed_ | me and mephs are both from CO |
| 21:43.35 | Ashamed_ | so we are the pimpest map makers on sc2 |
| 21:43.49 | Ashamed_ | wow mephs not from here >< but he lives here |
| 21:44.05 | Rnuomer | Battlefield was a good game, anyone agree? |
| 21:44.25 | Ashamed_ | 3 is going to kick ass |
| 21:44.31 | Ashamed_ | i will agreee with that |
| 21:44.47 | nodgene | brh |
| 21:44.53 | Xaragoth | Ashamed_, I severly doubt that statement :p |
| 21:45.08 | Ashamed_ | what that bf3 isn't going to kick ass? |
| 21:45.17 | Xaragoth | nah, the other one |
| 21:45.33 | Rnuomer | oh wait |
| 21:45.36 | Rnuomer | I misspoke |
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| 21:45.39 | Ashamed_ | what me and mephs most pimpest map maker since we live in CO |
| 21:45.45 | Rnuomer | Battlezone was a good game, anyone agree? |
| 21:46.05 | Ashamed_ | well its true xaragoth :) |
| 21:46.33 | Rnuomer | I don't think it was very well known tho |
| 21:46.44 | Xaragoth | Well, I'll now quote a meme. |
| 21:46.47 | Xaragoth | "Bitch, please." |
| 21:46.48 | Xaragoth | :P |
| 21:47.06 | Ashamed_ | well prove otherwise zaragoth? |
| 21:48.00 | Ashamed_ | xaragoth* |
| 21:48.20 | Rnuomer | someone recreate that in SC2 plz |
| 21:48.32 | Xaragoth | I'm from Germany. We start fucking World Wars. Beat that! |
| 21:48.37 | Xaragoth | I win by default- |
| 21:48.38 | Xaragoth | :P |
| 21:48.47 | Ashamed_ | oh shit xaragoth dont go there homi |
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| 21:48.51 | Ashamed_ | i am itailain We kill jesus :) |
| 21:49.09 | Ashamed_ | and actually ruled the world |
| 21:49.10 | Ashamed_ | we didnt try |
| 21:49.22 | Ashamed_ | but the germans were the fuckers who stopped us |
| 21:49.22 | Xaragoth | there was something called water |
| 21:49.24 | Ashamed_ | so i will give you that |
| 21:49.25 | Xaragoth | it kinda fucked your plans |
| 21:49.32 | Bounty | ok back |
| 21:49.40 | JademusSreg | bbl, mowing the back lawn |
| 21:49.41 | Bounty | I'm doing a sequel to one of my maps Xaragoth |
| 21:49.45 | Xaragoth | i still say the wikings were the most decent people ever :D |
| 21:49.47 | Bounty | thats all i will say >< |
| 21:50.07 | Xaragoth | doodad hunt 3: return of the giant pole outrunning everyone? :D |
| 21:50.07 | Ashamed_ | bounty your just a fucking pussy |
| 21:50.08 | Ashamed_ | arnt you |
| 21:50.18 | Bounty | no, its not doodad hunt |
| 21:50.26 | Xaragoth | I still remember how we fucked over doodad hunt xD |
| 21:50.27 | Bounty | lolwut? |
| 21:50.33 | Xaragoth | by going random and just running xD |
| 21:50.40 | Rnuomer | someone make a battlezone in SC2 |
| 21:50.48 | Bounty | i didnt even know how to use booleans and action definitions back then |
| 21:50.48 | Xaragoth | also |
| 21:50.57 | Xaragoth | decent terrain shots in forum detected |
| 21:51.02 | Ashamed_ | hey at least its been front paged |
| 21:51.02 | Xaragoth | must comment |
| 21:51.09 | Ashamed_ | i bet bounty has been front page more then anyone >< |
| 21:51.15 | Bounty | lol |
| 21:51.30 | Ashamed_ | i mean i have only played like 3 of the maps that have been front paged |
| 21:51.35 | Ashamed_ | but they all have been there |
| 21:51.36 | Ashamed_ | >< |
| 21:51.45 | Bounty | alot of them never got released |
| 21:51.48 | Ashamed_ | lol |
| 21:51.55 | Ashamed_ | bounty you remind me of my self |
| 21:51.55 | Bounty | and sicne my hard drive was recently wiped |
| 21:51.58 | Bounty | they never will be released |
| 21:52.01 | Ashamed_ | but i have come to realize that along time ago |
| 21:52.01 | Bounty | lol |
| 21:52.11 | Ashamed_ | so i dont release a project unless i know i will finish it |
| 21:52.11 | Ashamed_ | ha |
| 21:52.29 | Bounty | thats why im not saying exactly what im working on now |
| 21:52.32 | Bounty | bc if i say something |
| 21:52.32 | Ashamed_ | like i get excited and would love to post all my ideas |
| 21:52.33 | Bounty | i wont finish it |
| 21:52.38 | Ashamed_ | i just know i wont finish them >< so i dont |
| 21:52.53 | Xaragoth | Ashamed_: Rodrigo won the frontpage contest. |
| 21:52.54 | Ashamed_ | but my newest map is rocking |
| 21:52.55 | Xaragoth | ;P |
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| 21:53.06 | Xaragoth | Also |
| 21:53.08 | Xaragoth | Where is he? |
| 21:53.11 | Xaragoth | I wanna bash him |
| 21:53.13 | Xaragoth | :> |
| 21:53.37 | Ashamed_ | i managed to make a hero selection where you can camera around each hero :) but the total size of the 5 heroes on the map is less then 0.5 radius :) |
| 21:53.56 | Ashamed_ | who doesn't want to bash radrigo |
| 21:54.08 | Bounty | not me |
| 21:54.08 | Rnuomer | o/ |
| 21:54.14 | Bounty | i'd rather bash him on the popularity list |
| 21:54.16 | Bounty | =P |
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| 21:55.30 | Ashamed_ | i found out that guy was american |
| 21:55.36 | Ashamed_ | or he lives in america |
| 21:55.43 | Ashamed_ | when i heard him i swear he was not American >< |
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| 22:03.52 | Xaragoth | Bounty: You are not insane enough for that one :p |
| 22:03.53 | Ashamed_ | AHHHH |
| 22:03.56 | Ashamed_ | 4 more hours |
| 22:06.46 | A1win | anyone still got any idea how to make a trigger initiate an ability or an effect that the player gets to choose a target for? |
| 22:07.18 | A1win | err |
| 22:07.21 | A1win | nevermind actually |
| 22:07.42 | A1win | now I have no idea why I'd even have wanted that O_o |
| 22:09.38 | tordy | hooray A1win is here |
| 22:09.49 | tordy | but it'd be better if Motive was here |
| 22:11.08 | Rnuomer | is there an easy way to convert WC3 models to M3? |
| 22:13.24 | tordy | b00mer |
| 22:15.39 | Vail | no not reall an easy way to dothat you would need 3ds and nintoxicated plugin |
| 22:15.54 | Vail | and they do not look as good .. |
| 22:17.05 | Rnuomer | if I had 3ds I'd make myself =:3 |
| 22:17.12 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 22:17.13 | Rnuomer | make the models myself* |
| 22:17.18 | Jygga | take notepad |
| 22:17.25 | Jygga | and start writing an obj |
| 22:20.11 | Triceron | you can prolly do it with just the evaluation copy of 3ds max. |
| 22:20.24 | Triceron | and the mdx importer/exporter script |
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| 22:31.09 | Vail | i wish there was an exporter for blender |
| 22:32.29 | Ashamed_ | 3 1/2 more hours |
| 22:32.29 | Ashamed_ | woot |
| 22:32.31 | Ashamed_ | almost done |
| 22:35.52 | SoulTaker916 | hey are there any custom ai's available? |
| 22:36.06 | JademusSreg | EagleAI] |
| 22:36.09 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 22:39.03 | A1win | now I have a weapon that gives me a trigger event instead of doing damage :X |
| 22:39.23 | A1win | errm... how do I disable auto acquiring from a weapon |
| 22:39.49 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 22:39.57 | JademusSreg | Acquire Response |
| 22:40.06 | A1win | so that the unit won't start attacking if an enemy comes close |
| 22:40.21 | JademusSreg | On the unit, Acquire Response, iirc. |
| 22:40.31 | JademusSreg | Also, effects and behaviors have that field. |
| 22:40.42 | A1win | mmh |
| 22:41.40 | JademusSreg | Something like that. |
| 22:43.16 | A1win | Combat - Default Acquire Level on the unit, setting that to None worked |
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| 22:43.57 | A1win | but there's probably something on the weapon or its effect too since the unit wasn't attacking with another weapon |
| 22:45.52 | JademusSreg | Maybeh. =D |
| 22:47.58 | Ashamed_ | erg 3 more hours |
| 22:48.49 | A1win | err... now it attacked again anyway |
| 22:49.04 | A1win | with attack move... that thing only helped for the unit standing still |
| 22:50.14 | A1win | oh right, scan filters |
| 22:50.17 | A1win | had everything enabled in it |
| 22:55.40 | A1win | now I need to figure out how to not make the unit play its attack animation with the dummy attack, but only when I cause the damage effect from triggers |
| 22:56.46 | A1win | oh, it's hooked to Attack ability itself |
| 22:56.56 | A1win | in the actor |
| 22:57.35 | A1win | I guess I could just remove it from there and play the animation manually by sending the unit an actor event :E |
| 22:57.44 | A1win | workarounds ftw |
| 22:59.29 | Ashamed_ | woot |
| 22:59.32 | Ashamed_ | for workarounds |
| 23:00.21 | A1win | well, dunno if it's really a workaround, since I'm scripting the attack system with triggers because the line of sight doesn't follow the usual rules |
| 23:01.55 | Ashamed_ | no u |
| 23:05.32 | A1win | what would be the easiest way to get the civilians carry gun models properly and play different shooting animation based on the weapon? |
| 23:06.26 | A1win | I mean what's involved for something like that? |
| 23:06.44 | A1win | I guess animations require modifying the model file? |
| 23:06.57 | Ashamed_ | yeah |
| 23:07.02 | Ashamed_ | you need to create models tehn q1win |
| 23:07.06 | Ashamed_ | a1win* |
| 23:07.24 | A1win | and weapons can be separate models but the civilian needs attachment points for them? |
| 23:07.54 | Ashamed_ | that i am not sure of .. .but i would assume so |
| 23:08.04 | Ashamed_ | you can attach any model together |
| 23:08.18 | Ashamed_ | so i would guess if you added it in then it woudl |
| 23:08.23 | Ashamed_ | be you still have an issue of the animation |
| 23:08.44 | Ashamed_ | the animation for the unit would change to shoot the gun i dunno how you would have that part of the gun >< |
| 23:09.35 | Ashamed_ | i am having a model issue too :( |
| 23:11.19 | A1win | not gonna do that yet, just trying to grasp what is needed |
| 23:14.22 | A1win | sweet, now the civilian has a hand that throws Sniper Rounds at enemies |
| 23:14.43 | A1win | and can't do it through walls :P |
| 23:15.38 | A1win | just wondering whether or not to stop the unit from attacking if it gets line of sight error, or keep trying to attack |
| 23:16.58 | Mexa | hum |
| 23:17.06 | Mexa | Maybe it is time |
| 23:17.17 | Mexa | I've been awake waaaaaaay too long D_D |
| 23:19.34 | Mexa | Later folks |
| 23:22.25 | Ashamed_ | i am tired :( |
| 23:22.42 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 23:23.10 | Ashamed_ | do =( |
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| 23:23.19 | Ashamed_ | D= |
| 23:23.25 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 23:23.31 | Ashamed_ | D= |
| 23:23.32 | MindWorX` | JademusSreg! |
| 23:23.36 | MindWorX` | Seen the episode yet?! |
| 23:23.37 | JademusSreg | Me! |
| 23:23.39 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 23:24.00 | Ashamed_ | he lies he just whispered me that he is just going to say yes |
| 23:24.01 | MindWorX` | Knew it was going to happen. But damn it's awesome :D |
| 23:24.20 | JademusSreg | =D |
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| 23:26.29 | Ashamed_ | what is this episode we speek of? |
| 23:26.32 | Ashamed_ | speak* |
| 23:27.03 | JademusSreg | Game of Thrones season finale. |
| 23:28.30 | JademusSreg | I expected Khal Drogo to go all Pet Semetary, but I was only half right. |
| 23:29.10 | JademusSreg | I especially enjoy how I am not able to predict the course of the story by tropes. |
| 23:30.48 | Nash|327 | Lies. |
| 23:30.57 | Nash|327 | Now to sleep. |
| 23:36.03 | Ashamed_ | :( ERG |
| 23:36.09 | Ashamed_ | why must time seem so slow |
| 23:37.15 | Ashamed_ | no one wants to help me with my model issue :( |
| 23:40.43 | Rnuomer | maybe they can't |
| 23:41.29 | JademusSreg | Gotta modify the model, it would appear. =D |
| 23:41.51 | SoulTaker916 | how do i remove roads? |
| 23:42.07 | JademusSreg | Hard Tiles in the terrain palette. |
| 23:42.39 | Ashamed_ | oh rnuomer they can |
| 23:42.44 | Ashamed_ | i am not asking anything crazy |
| 23:43.05 | Rnuomer | perhaps it's more complex than you realize |
| 23:43.09 | Rnuomer | what do you want to do? |
| 23:43.16 | JademusSreg | Press the space bar, then select a hard tile node. |
| 23:43.25 | SoulTaker916 | hard tiles? |
| 23:43.29 | SoulTaker916 | oh |
| 23:43.47 | Ashamed_ | i need someone to remove the ribbons off zeratul |
| 23:44.02 | MindWorX` | I'll show you HARD TILE NODE! |
| 23:44.09 | JademusSreg | OhHHH |
| 23:44.13 | JademusSreg | Bazing! |
| 23:44.22 | A1win | if I pause a unit, will its behavior timers also pause? |
| 23:44.24 | Ashamed_ | >< not hard I am dling 3dmax and will teach myself how to do it >< but i kinda wanted to make sure that was the issue before i pirated 3ds max >< |
| 23:44.52 | JademusSreg | A1, yeah. |
| 23:44.52 | Rnuomer | could try get free trial first to do it? |
| 23:44.58 | MindWorX` | humps Sixen |
| 23:45.02 | Ashamed_ | nah |
| 23:45.03 | JademusSreg | Pretty sure. |
| 23:45.14 | A1win | just wondering how to keep them counting while the units are in an unspawned area <.< |
| 23:45.22 | Ashamed_ | if i am going to waste my time to dl it.. and learn how to edit something on a model might as well get the entire program >< |
| 23:45.36 | A1win | where they are hidden and paused |
| 23:45.42 | JademusSreg | I pause the Photon Cycles during the countdown sequence, so it must be working. =D |
| 23:46.08 | MindWorX` | I paused JademusSreg during the countdown sequence, so it must be working. =D |
| 23:47.02 | JademusSreg | is paused. |
| 23:47.10 | A1win | can I manually subtract time from a unit's behaviors? |
| 23:47.12 | MindWorX` | unpauses JademusSreg |
| 23:47.17 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 23:47.47 | Vail | i wana transformers 3 review damnit |
| 23:47.50 | A1win | apparently I can |
| 23:48.27 | JademusSreg | Dunno A1. Not that I'm aware. |
| 23:48.30 | MindWorX` | Go watch it |
| 23:48.30 | A1win | err... I can *set* it, but I can't get what it currently is |
| 23:48.49 | JademusSreg | Not interested in Transformers movies. |
| 23:48.56 | JademusSreg | Not interested in Transformers. =D |
| 23:48.57 | A1win | err actually |
| 23:49.01 | Vail | eh |
| 23:49.09 | Vail | to each their own |
| 23:49.10 | A1win | wait wtf, why is the behavior duration an integer |
| 23:49.11 | Sixen | =O |
| 23:49.15 | Sixen | I got humped. |
| 23:49.21 | MindWorX` | :D |
| 23:49.26 | MindWorX` | huggles Sixen |
| 23:49.31 | Sixen | ./hug |
| 23:49.32 | JademusSreg | Except that one sequence in the first film where they were demonstrating the effects of the allspark on machines and turned a cellphone into a decepticon bug thing. |
| 23:49.40 | Rnuomer | can I hug too? =:3 |
| 23:49.43 | MindWorX` | NO |
| 23:49.49 | MindWorX` | Sexen is mine, MINE ALONE! |
| 23:49.52 | Rnuomer | =:( |
| 23:49.54 | Rnuomer | saad bunny face |
| 23:49.55 | MindWorX` | Unless you want to hug me |
| 23:49.58 | MindWorX` | Then you go right ahead |
| 23:50.03 | MindWorX` | I'm a hug hogger |
| 23:50.14 | Rnuomer | yay |
| 23:50.19 | Rnuomer | bunnyhugs MindWorX` <3 |
| 23:50.25 | MindWorX` | :D |
| 23:50.33 | MindWorX` | is spreading the loooove |
| 23:51.16 | Rnuomer | if I were to make a straight up RTS with no gimmicks, what should I do to stand out? |
| 23:51.29 | MindWorX` | Make it HARD |
| 23:51.37 | Vail | how do you define gimicks? |
| 23:51.39 | JademusSreg | "no gimmicks, what should I do to stand out?" |
| 23:51.45 | MindWorX` | xD |
| 23:51.56 | Rnuomer | yeah I thought of that while I was typing |
| 23:52.45 | Rnuomer | I meant besides anything like a FPS style camera, hero arena battles, etc. |
| 23:53.14 | JademusSreg | But those aren't straight up RTS features. |
| 23:53.21 | JademusSreg | Or RTS features. |
| 23:53.24 | A1win | do idle unpaused units consume more juice than paused units? |
| 23:53.33 | Vail | find an aspect of combat that is not well translated and offer a translation of your own to it .. |
| 23:53.33 | Rnuomer | I know, that's why I don't want them |
| 23:53.35 | *** join/#sc2mapster currydevil (4b8e1586@gateway/web/freenode/ip.75.142.21.134) |
| 23:53.38 | JademusSreg | Or features. |
| 23:53.39 | JademusSreg | Or. |
| 23:53.44 | MindWorX` | I'd assume so, as a paused unit can't move his hands to consume any juice. |
| 23:53.45 | JademusSreg | . |
| 23:54.07 | Mexa_ | I'm still awake :( |
| 23:54.19 | Vail | Im Still Alive! |
| 23:54.33 | MindWorX` | I just watched the latest Dust 514 |
| 23:54.38 | MindWorX` | Talk about awesome |
| 23:54.54 | MindWorX` | Even tho I don't play games anymore, I'm buying it just to support it |
| 23:54.57 | Mexa_ | Needs more From Dust ;p |
| 23:54.57 | JademusSreg | Orly? |
| 23:55.16 | MindWorX` | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZk7EEiPzX0 |
| 23:55.22 | MindWorX` | It's so damn sexy |
| 23:55.32 | MindWorX` | Also, it looks like I can afford plenty of tanks for meslef :D |
| 23:55.52 | A1win | uff... I'm not really fuzzed about creating my own behavior duration system :P |
| 23:57.02 | MindWorX` | YOU MUST |
| 23:57.05 | A1win | hmm what if I don't pause units that have behaviors on them until they lose the behaviors o: |
| 23:57.07 | MindWorX` | FOR THE SAKE OF MAN KIND! |
| 23:57.36 | SoulTaker916 | wait |
| 23:57.44 | SoulTaker916 | jademussreg |
| 23:57.48 | SoulTaker916 | i had to go were is it |
| 23:57.57 | SoulTaker916 | im in terrain editor but i see no hard tile? |
| 23:58.21 | JademusSreg | See the terrain palette? |
| 23:58.45 | JademusSreg | In button view, beside the terrain texture a nd deform buttons and such. |
| 23:58.53 | JademusSreg | You'll see a road icon. |
| 23:58.57 | SoulTaker916 | ya |
| 23:59.03 | SoulTaker916 | but no remove road icon |
| 23:59.05 | SoulTaker916 | in there? |
| 23:59.20 | JademusSreg | Press space br andf select the green triangle nodes. |
| 23:59.29 | Rnuomer | I think I have an idea now |
| 23:59.32 | JademusSreg | Press delete to remove it. |
| 23:59.53 | Rnuomer | mine gold, use gold to purchase weapons & armour |
