| 00:00.30 | Otixa | groans |
| 00:00.32 | Otixa | Making |
| 00:00.35 | Otixa | Interfaces |
| 00:00.36 | Otixa | Is |
| 00:00.40 | Otixa | BOOOOORING |
| 00:00.46 | Otixa | ¬_¬ |
| 00:01.26 | Mexa_ | Yah, I'll get some sleep and some Sucker Punch |
| 00:01.28 | Mexa_ | Later |
| 00:01.53 | Otixa | smacks Mexa_ |
| 00:02.06 | JademusSreg | Fun games Motive. |
| 00:02.19 | Brainshack | hey look who'S back |
| 00:02.39 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 00:02.53 | Otixa | smacks JademusSreg |
| 00:03.00 | JademusSreg | I was playing Photon Cycles, then Motive joined me. |
| 00:03.40 | Otixa | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10032576/work/CUI1.jpg |
| 00:03.41 | Otixa | :| |
| 00:04.02 | Brainshack | Syntax Error |
| 00:04.07 | Brainshack | wow thats quite non saying |
| 00:04.09 | Brainshack | t.t |
| 00:04.34 | Otixa | Modern enuff? ;/ |
| 00:04.50 | Brainshack | whats that supposed to become? |
| 00:04.57 | *** join/#sc2mapster Ingela (~Ingela@90-230-170-118-no35.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 00:04.58 | Brainshack | web stuffz? |
| 00:05.00 | Otixa | Some Flex chat thing, iunno |
| 00:05.09 | Otixa | For some game lobby |
| 00:05.12 | Otixa | shrugs |
| 00:05.12 | JademusSreg | Dunno whatt hat is. |
| 00:05.22 | JademusSreg | Reminds me of Google Wave. |
| 00:05.36 | Otixa | All they said was "modern chat UI thing for the lobby" |
| 00:05.41 | Brainshack | quite a big font for a chat |
| 00:05.44 | Otixa | So ehh ._. |
| 00:05.56 | Otixa | Good point |
| 00:06.00 | Otixa | notes |
| 00:06.18 | Brainshack | and only images? no names in it? |
| 00:06.39 | Otixa | It's gonna have a flyout dialog thingy when you mouseover |
| 00:06.57 | Brainshack | mouseover hm? |
| 00:07.01 | JademusSreg | So users could use the same picture to attempt to spoof? =\ |
| 00:07.02 | Brainshack | dont lika dad |
| 00:07.11 | Otixa | shrugs |
| 00:07.20 | Otixa | Not my problem. I'm just doing the design ;P |
| 00:07.26 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 00:07.27 | Brainshack | void testDebug2() |
| 00:07.28 | Brainshack | { |
| 00:07.28 | Brainshack | TriggerDebugOutput(1, StringToText("This id MOD 123!!!!!!!!!!!"),true); |
| 00:07.28 | Brainshack | } |
| 00:07.31 | Brainshack | is that wrong? :( |
| 00:07.38 | Ashamed | No on ecan think ever >< |
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| 00:08.30 | JademusSreg | Type is 1? |
| 00:08.32 | Otixa | picks his teeth with the tablet pen |
| 00:08.39 | JademusSreg | Shouldn't it use a constant? |
| 00:08.46 | Otixa | Can I go to bed now? ¬¬ |
| 00:08.56 | Ashamed | i just had a bestbuy agent call me because his price match system was not working.. i asked him to give me the sku and i checked it up on bestbuy.com it was going for 179.99.. the lady bought the phone for 179.99... and i am like what are you tyring to price match the phone is the same price as when she bought it |
| 00:09.01 | Brainshack | JademusSreg: i just copied that from a gui made function |
| 00:09.08 | Brainshack | its not even suposse to do anything |
| 00:09.15 | Brainshack | i just want to use a function defined in a mod^^ |
| 00:09.25 | JademusSreg | Oh, well, it looks syntactically correct. |
| 00:09.27 | Brainshack | nasl is about to start btw. |
| 00:09.31 | Ashamed | and apperntly last week there was a sale.. and i am like well thats over so you can't honor the old price... ( Wonder why that guy couldn't check his own system first to realize the phone was in fact not cheaper at all ) |
| 00:09.39 | Brainshack | seems so at least^^ |
| 00:10.05 | Brainshack | mods seem to be sort of tricky :( |
| 00:10.43 | Brainshack | idra is out of nasl btw :( |
| 00:11.07 | Brainshack | but one of this epic moments again^^ |
| 00:11.21 | Brainshack | earn it! :D |
| 00:11.37 | Brainshack | however... |
| 00:11.43 | Brainshack | i hope socke will get in the finals |
| 00:11.47 | Brainshack | but i doubt it |
| 00:11.48 | Brainshack | ;( |
| 00:11.56 | Otixa | Attention! Sock! |
| 00:12.01 | Otixa | ._. |
| 00:12.24 | Otixa | Right |
| 00:12.26 | Otixa | Bed time |
| 00:12.29 | Otixa | I can do this! |
| 00:12.35 | Otixa | I can sleep bfore sunrise! |
| 00:12.41 | Otixa | runs off |
| 00:13.02 | Ashamed | erg |
| 00:13.16 | Ashamed | i dont understand why its so hard for humans to first think |
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| 00:13.52 | Brainshack | lolz |
| 00:13.53 | Ashamed | cause and fucking effect.. My 4 month old baby can understand th effects of cause and effect already |
| 00:13.55 | Triceron | night night |
| 00:13.56 | Ashamed | why cant grown people |
| 00:13.57 | Brainshack | bw looks so odd nowadays |
| 00:17.59 | Nash|327 | http://static.sc2mapster.com/content/attachments/17/375/Screenshot2011-06-17_02_02_01.jpg |
| 00:18.02 | Nash|327 | pewpew |
| 00:24.53 | Acemore | new class? |
| 00:28.07 | Nash|327 | yarp |
| 00:29.46 | Nash|327 | the passive ability is rather cool |
| 00:29.53 | Brainshack | JademusSreg: ever used mods with galaxy coding? |
| 00:29.58 | Nash|327 | if you stay still for 8 sec you get a % damage bonus |
| 00:30.05 | Nash|327 | and it stacks 4 times :G |
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| 00:39.49 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 00:39.51 | JademusSreg | MindWorX. |
| 00:40.02 | MindWorX` | ... |
| 00:40.03 | MindWorX` | :P |
| 00:40.10 | JademusSreg | Yup. |
| 00:40.35 | Brainshack | was that an answer to my question? |
| 00:41.02 | JademusSreg | Oh, just noticed. |
| 00:41.07 | JademusSreg | No, I have not. |
| 00:41.29 | Brainshack | hmpf |
| 00:41.39 | Brainshack | 20 minutes till nasl |
| 00:41.48 | Brainshack | im confused by mods |
| 00:41.50 | Brainshack | ;( |
| 00:45.16 | Brainshack | seems like im forced to include a specific file from the mod into my maps MapScript, but i dont know why |
| 00:45.36 | Brainshack | i dont really want to sick with LibEBF0C2BA.galaxy |
| 00:45.38 | Brainshack | t.t |
| 00:45.52 | JademusSreg | Yeah, needs an include, of course. |
| 00:46.22 | Brainshack | i put a file called test.galaxy into the same folder as the LibEBF0C2BA.galaxy, but then i get a syntax error |
| 00:46.35 | Brainshack | when i include "test" |
| 00:48.45 | Stewox | mindworx |
| 00:48.53 | Stewox | can u change your nick so i can PM |
| 00:49.08 | Stewox | idk ... you have some tidle or what at the end |
| 00:49.23 | MindWorX` | just type mind and hit <tab> |
| 00:49.52 | MindWorX` | The name without the tilde is registerred by someone else so I can't use it |
| 00:56.51 | Brainshack | yeah i got it to work |
| 00:58.40 | *** join/#sc2mapster mapman_ (4c4059eb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.64.89.235) |
| 00:58.43 | mapman_ | hey guys |
| 00:59.01 | mapman_ | anyone knows how to use the replace tool? |
| 00:59.26 | mapman_ | or maybe its just better to copy trigger as text and use the microsoft word replace tool? |
| 00:59.34 | mapman_ | :3 |
| 00:59.39 | Zulrang | is there any way to enable and disable an Upgrade via Item or Behavior? |
| 01:00.54 | mapman_ | no clue |
| 01:00.58 | mapman_ | sorry |
| 01:03.45 | mapman_ | but anyone knows how to insert a text trigger into the editor? |
| 01:04.02 | Brainshack | u mean custom script? |
| 01:04.31 | mapman_ | yea |
| 01:04.36 | mapman_ | how do i use it |
| 01:04.44 | mapman_ | oh right click new>custom script? |
| 01:04.52 | mapman_ | then i just paste it? |
| 01:04.52 | Brainshack | the easiest way is to just use the custom script stuff |
| 01:04.54 | Brainshack | yeah |
| 01:05.11 | mapman_ | oh, no need to add code or anything? |
| 01:05.18 | mapman_ | so if i copy a whole trigger as text and paste it there it will work? |
| 01:06.10 | Brainshack | no |
| 01:06.23 | Brainshack | the copy function doesnt paste galaxy script |
| 01:06.31 | mapman_ | I think its better this way cuz i had trouble use the galaxy replace tool |
| 01:06.33 | Brainshack | but you can just copy triggers and paste them^^ |
| 01:06.45 | mapman_ | uhm |
| 01:07.03 | mapman_ | so...if i copy a whole trigger as text and paste it there it will work? |
| 01:07.10 | Brainshack | no |
| 01:07.18 | mapman_ | ah |
| 01:07.25 | mapman_ | who do i make it work? |
| 01:07.35 | Brainshack | just copy the trigger and paste it? |
| 01:07.55 | mapman_ | well you just said it wouldnt work :s |
| 01:08.07 | Brainshack | if you copy as text yeah |
| 01:08.12 | Brainshack | but you can just copy a trigger |
| 01:08.17 | Brainshack | and paste the trigger |
| 01:08.22 | mapman_ | yea |
| 01:08.24 | mapman_ | ok |
| 01:08.49 | mapman_ | you tink its the fastest way to replace script in a long trigger |
| 01:08.49 | mapman_ | ? |
| 01:08.54 | mapman_ | than using the replace tool |
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| 01:09.47 | Brainshack | nasl is on |
| 01:09.48 | Ashamed | 50 more fucking minutes >< |
| 01:10.46 | Brainshack | mapman_: dunno^^ |
| 01:11.46 | mapman_ | but why do when i paste it it doesnt become a trigger |
| 01:11.51 | mapman_ | it stays a custom script |
| 01:12.16 | mapman_ | :L |
| 01:12.17 | Brainshack | sure if the original was custom script, the pasted will be aswell^^ |
| 01:12.21 | JademusSreg | Hahaha |
| 01:12.25 | mapman_ | it was a trigger |
| 01:12.35 | JademusSreg | You copied as text. |
| 01:12.45 | Brainshack | copy as text doesnt give you the actual galaxy code |
| 01:12.47 | mapman_ | i selected all the trigger, copied as text, then pasted in a custom script |
| 01:12.57 | Brainshack | its just a text represantion of hwat you see in gui |
| 01:13.02 | mapman_ | then how do i get the galaxy code? |
| 01:13.09 | mapman_ | i want it in hui |
| 01:13.11 | mapman_ | gui* |
| 01:13.25 | Brainshack | dont know how you can get that |
| 01:13.35 | Brainshack | ctrl+11 mabye |
| 01:13.39 | mapman_ | wow thats lame |
| 01:13.42 | mapman_ | what does that do |
| 01:14.05 | Brainshack | shows you the maps script |
| 01:14.26 | Brainshack | but the whole maps so you might have to figure out what you need to copy |
| 01:14.28 | Brainshack | xD |
| 01:14.50 | mapman_ | mm i see |
| 01:15.44 | mapman_ | ok so i can just copy it from there |
| 01:15.52 | mapman_ | then if i paste that in custom script |
| 01:15.55 | mapman_ | it should work? |
| 01:15.57 | mapman_ | right? |
| 01:16.03 | Brainshack | should |
| 01:16.08 | Brainshack | if you copy the right stuff |
| 01:16.12 | Brainshack | but not inside the same map |
| 01:16.21 | Brainshack | since names need to stay unique^^ |
| 01:16.30 | Brainshack | would have to rename stuff |
| 01:16.35 | mapman_ | imma rename it |
| 01:18.39 | Brainshack | then it might work if you do it correct |
| 01:20.59 | mapman_ | i pasted in a new map |
| 01:21.07 | mapman_ | but it doesnt convert into a trigger |
| 01:21.18 | mapman_ | and half the letters turn blue o.0 |
| 01:21.19 | Brainshack | well it doesnt yeah |
| 01:21.24 | Brainshack | its custom script^^ |
| 01:21.45 | mapman_ | then ill have to use the galaxy replace tool :( |
| 01:21.50 | mapman_ | anyone knows how to make it work? |
| 01:24.14 | mapman_ | oh nice its moletrap and diggity |
| 01:41.24 | Vail | any one know why an damage effect wont damage something? |
| 01:42.23 | Vail | ah never mind i see my issue |
| 02:15.35 | mapman_ | it doesnt? |
| 02:21.51 | Otixa | Ok |
| 02:21.58 | Otixa | That was fucking retarded |
| 02:22.07 | Otixa | I slept for 2 hours |
| 02:22.14 | Otixa | And I'm not sleepy anymore |
| 02:22.20 | Otixa | What the fucking shit? |
| 02:22.47 | JademusSreg | I know how that is. |
| 02:22.55 | JademusSreg | I had that problem last night. |
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| 02:23.39 | A1win | I've been up for 36 hours D: |
| 02:23.46 | Otixa | hits JademusSreg with a crowbar |
| 02:23.51 | mapman_ | alwin |
| 02:23.55 | mapman_ | youre fucked up o.0 |
| 02:24.06 | mapman_ | are you on meth? |
| 02:24.14 | Otixa | 36 hours ain't all that bad |
| 02:24.22 | Otixa | He's prolly not even sleepy anymore |
| 02:24.25 | JademusSreg | Sweet, sweet amphetamines. |
| 02:24.28 | A1win | just closed my eyes for a moment and when I opened them I forgot for a sec that I was on my chair and was like wtf :P |
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| 02:25.26 | Otixa | Oh |
| 02:25.35 | A1win | hehe |
| 02:25.37 | Otixa | I need to DL some TV shows to watch on the bus today |
| 02:25.53 | A1win | well it's just that it's not the first 36 hour day I've had during the last couple of weeks >.< |
| 02:26.07 | A1win | 36 hours of being awake that is |
| 02:26.10 | A1win | or something |
| 02:26.28 | Otixa | Are you past the point of "I'm not even sleepy anymore"? |
| 02:26.42 | A1win | brb washing bathroom floor with toothbrush |
| 02:27.00 | Otixa | chuckles |
| 02:27.35 | A1win | uh... well I'd probably fall asleep if I went to lie down for a couple of minutes |
| 02:28.08 | A1win | and I probably should :P |
| 02:28.20 | Otixa | It's fine |
| 02:28.23 | Otixa | Man up ;P |
| 02:29.14 | Otixa | You still have 12 hours until shit starts getting really interesting ;P |
| 02:29.24 | A1win | heh |
| 02:31.33 | A1win | had some hallucinations once on an army camp... 6 years ago :P the only time I've had any |
| 02:32.04 | JademusSreg | I haven't had sleep deprivation induced hallucinations in so many years. |
| 02:32.32 | JademusSreg | Haven't had hallucinations since the last time I did LSD. Never doing that again. |
| 02:33.35 | A1win | actually I'm not sure if they were hallucinations or just waking dreams... I remember opening my eyes to "reset" them, but they appeared in the same view |
| 02:33.46 | A1win | the trees on the other side of the road transformed into a high cliff :P |
| 02:33.49 | JademusSreg | It is the same thing in effect. |
| 02:33.57 | JademusSreg | Making the distinction at that point is silly. |
| 02:34.04 | A1win | we had an access control point by the road through a forest |
| 02:34.21 | A1win | I saw cars driving there, and then they were gone when I awoke again |
| 02:35.03 | A1win | saw some figures in the forest at the other side of the road as well D: that was probably a hallucination sinec I tried to look very sharply to get rid of it (was quite aware that it didn't really belong there) |
| 02:35.41 | Otixa | :D |
| 02:36.15 | A1win | mmh a few months ago I had a weird moment of spawning shit from my subconscious... like I was lucid dreaming while awake |
| 02:36.34 | Otixa | I had that just now, actually |
| 02:36.35 | A1win | I could "see" things I wanted, or random things just appearing... but not really seeing |
| 02:36.50 | Otixa | I was beating the crap out of some guy, then I took his soul |
| 02:37.04 | Otixa | And he started begging me to live, so I kicked him in the face and broke his neck |
| 02:37.05 | Otixa | :D |
| 02:37.11 | A1win | ._o |
| 02:37.41 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 02:38.16 | Otixa | Good dream, I guess |
| 02:38.21 | JademusSreg | Go play this: http://games.adultswim.com/dinosaur-zookeeper-simulation-online-game.html |
| 02:38.24 | Otixa | 2 hours of sleep and I don't feel tired or anything |
| 02:38.26 | Otixa | shrugs |
| 02:39.26 | A1win | it.. doesn't work |
| 02:39.32 | Otixa | It does for me |
| 02:39.35 | Otixa | Ads tho ¬¬ |
| 02:39.45 | A1win | ah, got adblock |
| 02:39.54 | A1win | now it loaded |
| 02:40.11 | A1win | not that I'm going to play it |
| 02:40.16 | A1win | for long |
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| 02:41.30 | A1win | I failed my fence :< |
| 02:41.35 | A1win | thought it was a boxing tool |
| 02:41.38 | A1win | now I have it all over the place |
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| 02:42.24 | Vail | fish |
| 02:43.23 | A1win | can't it be removed D: |
| 02:45.26 | Otixa | I phailed :( |
| 02:47.55 | A1win | aaa the velociraptors are loose!!! |
| 02:49.49 | Vail | shoot her! Shoot her!! |
| 02:51.04 | A1win | pff they're behaving like some wild animals in a cage :| |
| 02:52.59 | Otixa | Lesbian spider queens of mars |
| 02:53.04 | Otixa | I am intrigued |
| 02:53.43 | A1win | fuuuuu |
| 02:53.48 | A1win | park closed |
| 02:55.29 | A1win | I wonder if it's harder to get hallucinations when staring at black than at light such as a monitor |
| 02:55.34 | A1win | I mean easier |
| 02:55.52 | A1win | (not that I'm trying) |
| 02:56.16 | A1win | it just feels like I can always see the monitor clearly no matter how tired I am |
| 02:56.21 | A1win | (unless my eyes are blurry) |
| 02:57.28 | A1win | or maybe I just think I can |
| 02:57.49 | A1win | what if it's not even turned on and I think I'm talking to you on IRC :S |
| 02:58.23 | Brainshack | well |
| 02:58.33 | Brainshack | your are actually talking to ppl |
| 02:58.35 | Vail | this text is a figment of your imagination |
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| 02:59.07 | Brainshack | well im goin to bed though |
| 02:59.09 | Brainshack | gnigh fellas |
| 02:59.16 | Vail | "Companion IRC cant not speak" " if in the event that companion irc speaks please disregard its advice" |
| 02:59.52 | A1win | it just adviced me to disregard its advice if it gives any |
| 03:00.16 | Vail | well isnt that a paradox.. |
| 03:00.57 | Vail | if you do as it says you are not doing as it says and if you do not do as it says you are doing as it says ... |
| 03:01.34 | A1win | now it speaks of itself in third person |
| 03:02.04 | Vail | heh |
| 03:02.35 | Vail | chicken tacos and banana pudding do not mix... |
| 03:03.01 | A1win | what a surprise |
| 03:03.37 | Otixa | The slaves raped me :( |
| 03:04.19 | A1win | we should make a zerg zokeeper simulation like that |
| 03:04.24 | A1win | *zoo |
| 03:05.07 | A1win | or actually we had the idea for the zergling burger map, it had fenced zerglings that'd sometims break the fences |
| 03:05.16 | A1win | dunno if anyone's still working on it |
| 03:05.31 | A1win | it was a funny idea, could've worked |
| 03:05.37 | A1win | just quite a lot of work |
| 03:07.15 | A1win | page 1 on project workplace, I guess not |
| 03:07.17 | A1win | *11 |
| 03:09.05 | A1win | the thing about being tired is that it's easy to get too tired to prepare proper meals, which adds to it |
| 03:09.20 | Vail | you need sleep |
| 03:09.25 | A1win | :P |
| 03:09.43 | A1win | well I did eat 4 hours ago, just generally speaking |
| 03:09.52 | A1win | or... before I realized that |
| 03:10.51 | A1win | ah well maybe I will ;p |
| 03:11.07 | A1win | should put alarm on or I'll sleep till 8pm or something |
| 03:11.22 | Vail | later |
| 03:11.28 | A1win | nn |
| 03:11.43 | Otixa | Uh, bai |
| 03:11.59 | Vail | hm why is this doing this .. |
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| 03:15.34 | Vail | i have an buff.. with a set of seach effects set for a 45 angle.... but when ever a unit comes with range of any of these seachs from any angle it applies the suicide effect in the sets connected to searches but not the damage effects |
| 03:16.13 | Vail | the damage is only applied in the 45 degree angle cone |
| 03:18.48 | Vail | nope i was wrong it applies the damage was well but its not confining to the angle i want |
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| 03:33.38 | IbebusinessS1339 | says You might be a starcraft II nerd if you own the entire costume collection |
| 03:34.00 | IbebusinessS1339 | says You might be a starcraft II nerd, if you "replay" maps in real life |
| 03:34.30 | IbebusinessS1339 | http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CB4QtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DYwOp8WEqlRI&rct=j&q=starcraft%20youtube%20real%20life&ei=Pcv6TZrhGeTl0QH4t_jYAw&usg=AFQjCNFUgajE87342IA8N70yTqTUJTCT7A&sig2=lBEvULH8aYm9-MRsq2hpgg&cad=rja |
| 03:34.38 | IbebusinessS1339 | *I did not make that vid |
| 03:35.06 | IbebusinessS1339 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9clgq8jSxU |
| 04:12.30 | Vail | i want vodka |
| 04:13.44 | Vail | some one get me some vodka |
| 04:18.37 | JademusSreg | This movie, it is terrible. |
| 04:18.54 | JademusSreg | No idea how it got on my queue. |
| 04:19.07 | Vail | what movie? |
| 04:19.14 | Vail | does the movie have vodka?\ |
| 04:19.17 | JademusSreg | Ink. |
| 04:19.36 | Vail | russian potato vodka ... home made in russia with russian potatoes ? |
| 04:19.44 | Vail | ah |
| 04:19.47 | JademusSreg | It's like some direct to DVD trash, god, it's awful. |
| 04:19.48 | Vail | never heard of it |
| 04:21.11 | Vail | i like Dark City and Pan's Labyrnith |
| 04:23.54 | Vail | a saddly underated movie is Habitat |
| 04:25.54 | Vail | do NOT trust the trailer for that movie... and it looks some what silly but its acuallt very good i think |
| 04:26.14 | Vail | well for a lower end budget 90s scifi |
| 04:27.04 | JademusSreg | Seen it. |
| 04:27.13 | Vail | i see what did you think? |
| 04:29.52 | JademusSreg | Amusing hostile plants, enriching for the imagination. |
| 04:30.18 | Vail | i see. |
| 04:30.55 | Vail | ive recently been wondering what would a zerg plant be like? |
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| 05:00.16 | tordy | b |
| 05:00.20 | Vail | ? |
| 05:00.24 | Vail | hello |
| 05:00.29 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 05:00.47 | Vail | do you know any modellers who maybe might have some free time and like zerg |
| 05:03.00 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
| 05:03.12 | JademusSreg | I know modellers, but none with those two properties. |
| 05:03.29 | pirate_ | what about that guy |
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| 05:03.39 | pirate_ | who made that custom zerg model |
| 05:03.51 | pirate_ | the tyrant |
| 05:04.09 | Vail | drat |
| 05:04.18 | JademusSreg | Triceron |
| 05:05.29 | mapman_ | guys if a trigger has an error while you run the game is there a way to go see whats going on inside the trigger so you know at what part of it it fucked up |
| 05:05.43 | pirate_ | wtf why is xel naga caverns 3MB |
| 05:06.04 | JademusSreg | What was the error message mapman? |
| 05:06.21 | JademusSreg | pirate, probably the textures make up most of the size. |
| 05:06.40 | JademusSreg | Terrain texture information, terrain mesh data, shit like that. |
| 05:06.57 | pirate_ | sucks |
| 05:07.14 | mapman_ | well actually theres no error |
| 05:07.21 | mapman_ | its just that the trigger does nothing |
| 05:07.27 | mapman_ | doesnt do what its supposed to |
| 05:07.35 | mapman_ | and i checked 3 times everything seems fine to me |
| 05:07.43 | pirate_ | lolol |
| 05:07.49 | mapman_ | :s |
| 05:07.50 | pirate_ | give us more info |
| 05:07.59 | mapman_ | what can i say |
| 05:07.59 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 05:08.00 | pirate_ | cuz its clearly not fine |
| 05:08.07 | JademusSreg | What is the -error message-. |
| 05:08.08 | pirate_ | take screenshot |
| 05:08.18 | pirate_ | are you sure the trigger is actually firing? |
| 05:08.22 | mapman_ | i just want to know if you can go see whats going on inside a trigger while the game runs |
| 05:08.30 | mapman_ | yea its fireing |
| 05:08.38 | pirate_ | you can make your own debug steps |
| 05:09.03 | mapman_ | yea |
| 05:09.05 | mapman_ | i think |
| 05:09.17 | mapman_ | i will display a chat msg at each point in the trigger |
| 05:09.22 | mapman_ | to see where it doesnt work |
| 05:09.45 | pirate_ | that probably wont do anything |
| 05:09.59 | pirate_ | if theres no error message, then it's working, you just did it wrong |
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| 05:10.11 | pirate_ | what is the trigger supposed to do? |
| 05:10.43 | mapman_ | destory units |
| 05:10.49 | mapman_ | is the main purpose |
| 05:11.03 | pirate_ | and its not destroying units |
| 05:11.21 | mapman_ | i know i did something wrong what else can it be |
| 05:11.45 | pirate_ | didnt reference the units to be destroyed correctly |
| 05:11.48 | pirate_ | is my best bet |
| 05:11.48 | Xapti | man why doesn't rodrigo visit us :( |
| 05:12.06 | pirate_ | O.O |
| 05:12.29 | pirate_ | 1) Rodrigo's gone? |
| 05:12.37 | pirate_ | 2) people MISS him? |
| 05:13.55 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 05:14.24 | JademusSreg | He's got a new map or something. |
| 05:14.26 | IbebusinessS1339 | mapman if you want send me the map and I will look at it |
| 05:14.33 | JademusSreg | Banana Cheaters, Ulose said. |
| 05:14.43 | pirate_ | hmm? |
| 05:14.52 | JademusSreg | Banana Cheaters sounds like a gay porn film. |
| 05:15.01 | JademusSreg | But it's Rodrigo's new map apparantly. |
| 05:15.12 | pirate_ | i dont get it |
| 05:15.25 | pirate_ | I wish good map makers would make good maps |
| 05:15.40 | JademusSreg | It's co-op survival that also involves collecting bananas, according to Ulose. |
| 05:16.22 | JademusSreg | Bananas for the Banana Lord. |
| 05:16.47 | IbebusinessS1339 | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/general/general-chat/22586-sc-ii-galaxy-editor-memes/#posts |
| 05:16.50 | IbebusinessS1339 | :)))) |
| 05:16.53 | IbebusinessS1339 | I like |
| 05:17.52 | JademusSreg | http://static.images.memegenerator.net/Instances400/7/8070/8263754.jpg |
| 05:19.10 | IbebusinessS1339 | yes |
| 05:19.16 | IbebusinessS1339 | but for me its marine arena |
| 05:19.22 | IbebusinessS1339 | takes much more skill |
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| 05:32.06 | Vail | hmm what could i do with infestationed terran structures and feederlings |
| 05:33.02 | Vail | hmm idea collision there |
| 05:33.10 | JademusSreg | Just thinking out loud? |
| 05:33.23 | Vail | pretty much.. |
| 05:35.38 | Vail | i recently landed on a website that had a suggestion for a unit that could infest structures and make "Field Hatcheries" |
| 05:36.15 | IbebusinessS1339 | omfg |
| 05:36.20 | IbebusinessS1339 | galaxy crashed |
| 05:37.46 | mapman_ | ok i found where it messes up |
| 05:37.50 | mapman_ | but i dont get why |
| 05:37.59 | mapman_ | let me get ya the script |
| 05:39.08 | mapman_ | http://pastebin.com/meT5P7rn |
| 05:39.10 | Vail | now that i can have more maps i am thinking of adding a sixth mission to my mini campaign one where you have to infest a town |
| 05:39.15 | mapman_ | the conditions are all true |
| 05:39.20 | mapman_ | i checked it |
| 05:39.40 | mapman_ | two first are true im 100% sure |
| 05:39.52 | mapman_ | and one of the two bottom is true im 100% sure |
| 05:43.01 | mapman_ | anyone? :D |
| 05:45.39 | IbebusinessS1339 | looking |
| 05:46.18 | IbebusinessS1339 | okay |
| 05:46.21 | IbebusinessS1339 | issue 1 |
| 05:46.46 | Vail | oh perhaps the infestor can make feederlings and they can infest terran structures dont know how well the Infestation models would look on the toss structures |
| 05:46.48 | IbebusinessS1339 | whats a1 b1 a2 b2? |
| 05:47.10 | mapman_ | its un it group;s |
| 05:47.11 | IbebusinessS1339 | also |
| 05:47.16 | IbebusinessS1339 | you have it set this way |
| 05:47.19 | mapman_ | it is unit groups* |
| 05:47.48 | mapman_ | you mean not use the IF? |
| 05:47.50 | mapman_ | i tried that |
| 05:47.55 | mapman_ | i mean |
| 05:48.00 | mapman_ | not use the AND |
| 05:48.02 | mapman_ | i tried that |
| 05:48.04 | IbebusinessS1339 | if a1 = 0 AND if b1 = 0 AND b2!=0 OR a2!= 0 |
| 05:48.11 | mapman_ | i just tried it |
| 05:48.14 | mapman_ | same result |
| 05:48.15 | IbebusinessS1339 | wtf |
| 05:48.18 | mapman_ | yup |
| 05:48.23 | mapman_ | heres the weirdest |
| 05:48.26 | IbebusinessS1339 | dude stop jumping the gun |
| 05:48.31 | mapman_ | if i make two separate triggers |
| 05:48.35 | IbebusinessS1339 | Im trying to tell you thats what I see |
| 05:48.37 | IbebusinessS1339 | right now |
| 05:48.39 | IbebusinessS1339 | how you have it |
| 05:48.43 | IbebusinessS1339 | looks wrong |
| 05:48.56 | mapman_ | one with A1=0 AND b2!=0 |
| 05:48.59 | mapman_ | and another |
| 05:49.01 | mapman_ | it works |
| 05:49.04 | IbebusinessS1339 | dude |
| 05:49.07 | mapman_ | but the variables are the same |
| 05:49.25 | IbebusinessS1339 | move your or statement up a row |
| 05:49.40 | mapman_ | i made it display the 4 variables IN GAME and they were all the correct values |
| 05:49.41 | IbebusinessS1339 | and make the bottom two conditions sit at the bottom |
| 05:49.46 | IbebusinessS1339 | if |
| 05:49.48 | IbebusinessS1339 | A1 |
| 05:49.49 | IbebusinessS1339 | B1 |
| 05:49.50 | IbebusinessS1339 | And |
| 05:49.52 | IbebusinessS1339 | or |
| 05:49.53 | IbebusinessS1339 | B2 |
| 05:49.56 | IbebusinessS1339 | A2 |
| 05:49.59 | IbebusinessS1339 | like that |
| 05:50.07 | IbebusinessS1339 | you have |
| 05:50.07 | mapman_ | that is |
| 05:50.08 | mapman_ | what I did |
| 05:50.20 | IbebusinessS1339 | thats not what you have posted on pastebin |
| 05:50.29 | mapman_ | no but I tried it |
| 05:50.32 | mapman_ | same result |
| 05:50.56 | mapman_ | anyways it shouldnt make any difference |
| 05:51.01 | IbebusinessS1339 | really? |
| 05:51.16 | mapman_ | i guess I will have to separate all of them in two groups |
| 05:51.19 | mapman_ | it pisses me off |
| 05:51.21 | mapman_ | maybe its a bug |
| 05:51.25 | IbebusinessS1339 | no bug |
| 05:51.27 | IbebusinessS1339 | user error |
| 05:51.32 | mapman_ | dude |
| 05:51.36 | IbebusinessS1339 | dude |
| 05:51.42 | mapman_ | i made it display the variables |
| 05:51.45 | IbebusinessS1339 | lol |
| 05:51.52 | mapman_ | right before the ifthemn starts |
| 05:51.54 | IbebusinessS1339 | that doesnt mean your conditions are right |
| 05:52.15 | mapman_ | yes it does |
| 05:52.26 | mapman_ | anyways |
| 05:52.30 | mapman_ | ill do it the long way |
| 05:52.33 | IbebusinessS1339 | try running the map with only the first half of the conditions |
| 05:52.33 | mapman_ | fuck this shit |
| 05:52.37 | IbebusinessS1339 | fine |
| 05:52.43 | mapman_ | i can try that |
| 05:52.45 | mapman_ | i sec |
| 05:53.33 | IbebusinessS1339 | you do realize that A1 and B1 have to be empty at the same time... |
| 05:54.31 | IbebusinessS1339 | the way you have it set up |
| 05:54.53 | mapman_ | with the top half it works |
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| 05:55.08 | IbebusinessS1339 | so a1 and b1 are both empty ? |
| 05:55.13 | mapman_ | yup |
| 05:55.13 | mapman_ | ... |
| 05:55.16 | mapman_ | i told you |
| 05:55.22 | IbebusinessS1339 | what are your variables |
| 05:55.27 | IbebusinessS1339 | a1 =? |
| 05:55.30 | IbebusinessS1339 | b1 =? |
| 05:55.32 | IbebusinessS1339 | ect |
| 05:55.36 | mapman_ | ... |
| 05:55.41 | mapman_ | nevermind then |
| 05:56.24 | ThunderLord | Kwik question, if i have a unit, saved to a variable. then i use trigger action "replace unit" does the variable pick up that unit????? |
| 05:56.42 | IbebusinessS1339 | erm... |
| 05:56.43 | IbebusinessS1339 | no.. |
| 05:56.45 | mapman_ | it should |
| 05:56.49 | mapman_ | if you replace it.. |
| 05:56.54 | IbebusinessS1339 | it replaces a unit on the map i believe |
| 05:57.10 | IbebusinessS1339 | you then have to store the replaced unit back into the variable after you use that action |
| 05:57.56 | IbebusinessS1339 | from the editor itself |
| 05:58.20 | IbebusinessS1339 | "Use "last replaced unit" to refer to the replacement unit. Note that any variables referring to the old unit will need to be updated" |
| 05:58.49 | IbebusinessS1339 | So Trigger |
| 05:58.55 | IbebusinessS1339 | "replace unit x" |
| 05:59.18 | IbebusinessS1339 | set variable x = last created unit (or last replaced or whatever it is) |
| 05:59.47 | mapman_ | its the IF that has a bug |
| 05:59.59 | mapman_ | if i do them in separe functions it works |
| 06:00.15 | IbebusinessS1339 | lol |
| 06:00.21 | mapman_ | one with a1 b1 a1 and one with a1 b2 b2 |
| 06:00.44 | IbebusinessS1339 | no bug |
| 06:00.48 | IbebusinessS1339 | anyone will tell you that |
| 06:01.13 | IbebusinessS1339 | especially not the IF statement |
| 06:02.49 | IbebusinessS1339 | your not very clear on how you want the trigger to function, so I cant tell you how to make it |
| 06:03.03 | tordy | how do you select an enemy unit that isn't clickable |
| 06:03.09 | tordy | it's not workin with triggers :[ |
| 06:03.11 | IbebusinessS1339 | erm |
| 06:03.19 | IbebusinessS1339 | you could make it clickable via trigger |
| 06:03.39 | mapman_ | imma try using the >0 instead of !=0 |
| 06:03.40 | IbebusinessS1339 | "selectable" would be the correct word |
| 06:04.09 | IbebusinessS1339 | I still dont understand how the trigger is SUPPOSED to work... |
| 06:04.10 | tordy | selectable by mouse |
| 06:04.17 | IbebusinessS1339 | um |
| 06:04.19 | tordy | either dragging or clicking |
| 06:04.27 | tordy | thing is i dont have that flag ticked |
| 06:04.36 | IbebusinessS1339 | you can set that flag via triggers |
| 06:04.38 | tordy | it's unselectable because the model doesnt have a bounding box |
| 06:04.46 | IbebusinessS1339 | ah |
| 06:05.03 | IbebusinessS1339 | I see |
| 06:05.19 | IbebusinessS1339 | add a bounding box? |
| 06:05.28 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 06:05.40 | IbebusinessS1339 | yes? |
| 06:05.42 | JademusSreg | Bounding spheres and such requirem odel edits. |
| 06:05.46 | IbebusinessS1339 | I said something wrong |
| 06:05.47 | IbebusinessS1339 | ah |
| 06:05.48 | IbebusinessS1339 | kk |
| 06:05.48 | tordy | i dont wanna |
| 06:06.11 | tordy | i want it to be unselectable |
| 06:06.16 | tordy | but this exception |
| 06:06.17 | IbebusinessS1339 | erm |
| 06:06.21 | tordy | during testing modes |
| 06:06.23 | tordy | where i want to select it |
| 06:06.33 | tordy | *debug mode |
| 06:06.36 | IbebusinessS1339 | what do you want to do with it once you select it? |
| 06:06.40 | tordy | make stuff |
| 06:06.45 | tordy | fit trains units |
| 06:07.06 | IbebusinessS1339 | what are you using that cant be selected but can make units? |
| 06:07.17 | tordy | hotkeys |
| 06:07.36 | tordy | hotkeys can select it |
| 06:07.45 | tordy | ui mean control grou[ |
| 06:07.48 | tordy | group |
| 06:08.05 | tordy | but i need to select it first to make a control group out of it |
| 06:08.23 | tordy | but the trigger doesnt work for some reason, cant add enemy units to control groups |
| 06:08.28 | tordy | even after i put shared control on |
| 06:08.33 | tordy | D: |
| 06:08.41 | tordy | >:) |
| 06:09.00 | tordy | guess ill have to make it selectable by givin it a bounding box but :((((((( |
| 06:09.13 | JademusSreg | Time for sleep. |
| 06:09.14 | JademusSreg | Later. |
| 06:10.24 | IbebusinessS1339 | tell me about it, i need an xel naga halo model with attachment points |
| 06:10.28 | IbebusinessS1339 | and I |
| 06:10.35 | IbebusinessS1339 | ve never modeled shit before |
| 06:10.55 | IbebusinessS1339 | I have 3dsmax and it looks like hardcore what the hell does this button do |
| 06:10.59 | tordy | me neither |
| 06:11.15 | tordy | only modeled with a less hardcore program called carrara |
| 06:11.25 | tordy | dont know how to set bounding boxes |
| 06:11.47 | pirate_ | will the editor not save banks if testing locally? |
| 06:12.12 | tordy | it will |
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| 06:12.21 | tordy | it'll save in your documents/banks folder |
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| 06:12.59 | pirate_ | cuz its saving mah dataz |
| 06:13.03 | pirate_ | *its not |
| 06:13.31 | IbebusinessS1339 | yes |
| 06:13.33 | IbebusinessS1339 | it will |
| 06:13.48 | IbebusinessS1339 | are you telling it to save after you store your variables? |
| 06:13.54 | pirate_ | yup |
| 06:13.58 | IbebusinessS1339 | hmm |
| 06:14.01 | IbebusinessS1339 | gimi a sec |
| 06:16.00 | pirate_ | open bank for player x > preload bank for player x > set Real(var) to MMR value from bank +10 > display Real(var) > store Real(var) to MMR value in bank > save bank |
| 06:16.02 | IbebusinessS1339 | I take it your 100% sure the save function ran ? |
| 06:16.17 | IbebusinessS1339 | looks good |
| 06:16.25 | IbebusinessS1339 | do me one favor |
| 06:16.25 | pirate_ | all of this is in one init function |
| 06:16.34 | IbebusinessS1339 | store real(var) |
| 06:16.42 | IbebusinessS1339 | then load real(var) |
| 06:16.55 | Otixa | looks up |
| 06:16.55 | IbebusinessS1339 | and see if your variable comes back out right? |
| 06:16.58 | pirate_ | kk |
| 06:17.00 | Otixa | Someone say 3ds max? ¬¬ |
| 06:17.04 | IbebusinessS1339 | yes |
| 06:17.14 | Otixa | Watch ModCraft |
| 06:17.17 | Otixa | I explain shit there |
| 06:17.22 | IbebusinessS1339 | really? |
| 06:17.24 | IbebusinessS1339 | cool |
| 06:17.31 | IbebusinessS1339 | I just need to add attachment points |
| 06:17.32 | Otixa | ep1 is good for starters |
| 06:17.35 | IbebusinessS1339 | I can open the model |
| 06:17.41 | Otixa | Eh |
| 06:17.43 | IbebusinessS1339 | just dont know what the hell to do from there |
| 06:17.47 | Otixa | Create panel > Utilities |
| 06:17.51 | IbebusinessS1339 | and the model has NO BONES |
| 06:17.56 | Otixa | Somewhere in there there's a StarCraft2 category |
| 06:18.10 | Otixa | Well, you did it wrong somehow then |
| 06:18.13 | IbebusinessS1339 | no |
| 06:18.16 | IbebusinessS1339 | its the model itself |
| 06:18.22 | IbebusinessS1339 | xel naga halo model |
| 06:18.26 | Otixa | Oh |
| 06:18.35 | IbebusinessS1339 | its just a rotating model |
| 06:18.43 | Otixa | Well, anyway. Attachments are somewhere in there |
| 06:18.52 | Otixa | afaik, they have a special naming scheme |
| 06:19.05 | Otixa | You'll figure it out ;p |
| 06:19.09 | IbebusinessS1339 | you need bones to put the attachments on |
| 06:19.26 | Otixa | Pretty sure you don't :/ |
| 06:19.28 | IbebusinessS1339 | yea I will, but i've been waiting for a little info on the bones |
| 06:19.35 | IbebusinessS1339 | really? |
| 06:19.48 | Otixa | Well, just create a bone and put a phisique on it in any case |
| 06:19.49 | IbebusinessS1339 | eyes glitters |
| 06:19.57 | Otixa | Just vertex rig it to whatever the fuck |
| 06:20.01 | IbebusinessS1339 | erm |
| 06:20.05 | IbebusinessS1339 | otixa? |
| 06:20.16 | Otixa | peers |
| 06:20.19 | IbebusinessS1339 | I may be able to help with crazy shit in galaxy editor... |
| 06:20.31 | IbebusinessS1339 | but i've never modeled a thing in my life |
| 06:20.36 | IbebusinessS1339 | I understand vertex |
| 06:20.39 | IbebusinessS1339 | I understand bones |
| 06:20.43 | IbebusinessS1339 | and attachment points |
| 06:20.51 | IbebusinessS1339 | but I dont know how to manipulate them |
| 06:20.51 | Otixa | Well, there you go |
| 06:20.55 | Otixa | Grab the model |
| 06:21.01 | Otixa | Put a Phisique modifier on top |
| 06:21.05 | IbebusinessS1339 | lol |
| 06:21.05 | Otixa | Select the bone |
| 06:21.11 | Otixa | Poke around until profit |
| 06:21.15 | IbebusinessS1339 | how do I put a phisque modifier on top? |
| 06:21.23 | Otixa | Modifier list, right side |
| 06:21.27 | IbebusinessS1339 | erm kk |
| 06:21.31 | Otixa | The dropdown with everything and your mum in it |
| 06:21.32 | Otixa | ;p |
| 06:21.39 | IbebusinessS1339 | loads 3dmax |
| 06:21.53 | Otixa | resumes tweaking his desktop |
| 06:22.01 | IbebusinessS1339 | tweaking? |
| 06:22.11 | IbebusinessS1339 | you mean mircoing :P |
| 06:22.23 | Vail | hmm can i ask an opinion on a plan for an ability? |
| 06:22.34 | IbebusinessS1339 | sure |
| 06:24.23 | Vail | ok the ability is basically Infest Terran Structure (for a camplaign ) i use a channeld target ability on infestors that spawn an infestling every so often the infestling moves to the target building and is removed as one Infested buff is applied. |
| 06:25.10 | Vail | depending on the building it can take up to 12 infested buffs but after enough have acumultaed the buliding becomes infested gets the infestation model and changes owner. |
| 06:25.25 | Otixa | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10032576/misc/Desktop.jpg |
| 06:25.28 | Otixa | I am pleased |
| 06:25.31 | Otixa | nods to self |
| 06:25.34 | IbebusinessS1339 | and the opinion your asking for? |
| 06:25.38 | IbebusinessS1339 | I like the idea |
| 06:25.41 | IbebusinessS1339 | its original |
| 06:25.48 | IbebusinessS1339 | taking over buildings by force |
| 06:26.03 | pirate_ | 8 cores o.O |
| 06:26.21 | Otixa | Laptop is fine ;P |
| 06:26.32 | Vail | i would like a prelininary opinion on how the set up feels |
| 06:26.33 | pirate_ | where do I get badass layout like that? |
| 06:26.35 | Otixa | 8gig os ram :> |
| 06:26.39 | Otixa | of* |
| 06:26.43 | Otixa | alienware.com :P |
| 06:26.47 | IbebusinessS1339 | nice |
| 06:26.49 | Otixa | M15 laptop |
| 06:26.52 | IbebusinessS1339 | but mine was WAY better |
| 06:26.58 | IbebusinessS1339 | (turned it off) |
| 06:26.59 | pirate_ | not the laptop, I meant the display? |
| 06:27.06 | Otixa | Rocket summat |
| 06:27.08 | Otixa | checks |
| 06:27.13 | IbebusinessS1339 | I had my entire windows see thru |
| 06:27.13 | pirate_ | kk |
| 06:27.22 | Otixa | http://rocketdock.com/ |
| 06:27.35 | IbebusinessS1339 | I mean everything, from the control panel, to windows update, to file explorer. |
| 06:27.44 | Otixa | Well |
| 06:28.03 | pirate_ | *coo |
| 06:28.03 | Otixa | I got pissed off that I couldn't see the wallpaper because of the fuckton of icons |
| 06:28.03 | pirate_ | co |
| 06:28.04 | Vail | i just want to bring back one of my favorite aspects of SC1 |
| 06:28.05 | IbebusinessS1339 | lol |
| 06:28.07 | Otixa | So I decided it's time for drastic measures |
| 06:28.08 | Otixa | ¬¬ |
| 06:28.43 | Vail | i am going to be using a large number of validators for this though |
| 06:28.52 | pirate_ | but yeah, if I load a value after storing it, displays fine |
| 06:29.01 | IbebusinessS1339 | k |
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| 06:29.07 | IbebusinessS1339 | gimmi a sec |
| 06:29.10 | Otixa | Nnrg... Need to start packing soon ;/ |
| 06:29.11 | pirate_ | but not between tests |
| 06:29.15 | IbebusinessS1339 | ? |
| 06:29.18 | IbebusinessS1339 | oh kk |
| 06:29.46 | Otixa | And I'm gonna miss the opening of my city's hackerspace ¬_¬ |
| 06:29.49 | Otixa | It's today |
| 06:30.02 | Otixa | But gf decided that we're gonna go out of town TODAY |
| 06:30.13 | Otixa | After postponing the trip for like a week |
| 06:30.24 | Otixa | I cannot describe the amount of rage ¬_¬ |
| 06:30.48 | IbebusinessS1339 | pirate, I assume after loading the bank you store the bank in a bank variable? |
| 06:31.03 | pirate_ | yess |
| 06:31.05 | IbebusinessS1339 | k |
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| 06:31.49 | IbebusinessS1339 | can you copy as text the line that saves the bank? |
| 06:32.08 | IbebusinessS1339 | and paste here |
| 06:32.52 | pirate_ | BankSave(gv_footBank[lv_x]); |
| 06:33.24 | IbebusinessS1339 | and x is the player number? |
| 06:33.27 | pirate_ | yeah |
| 06:33.43 | tordy | this does not make a lick of sense |
| 06:33.45 | IbebusinessS1339 | please try hard coding x with 1, and hard code your bank load with 1 as well |
| 06:34.16 | IbebusinessS1339 | then test |
| 06:34.37 | pirate_ | hokay |
| 06:34.42 | pirate_ | this makes me really sad |
| 06:34.47 | IbebusinessS1339 | lol |
| 06:34.51 | IbebusinessS1339 | if you want send the map |
| 06:34.56 | pirate_ | cuz i've sucessfully used banks in previous maps |
| 06:34.58 | IbebusinessS1339 | I 9 out of 10 times find the issue |
| 06:35.11 | IbebusinessS1339 | its always something you dont think of |
| 06:35.17 | pirate_ | yeah |
| 06:35.18 | pirate_ | sec |
| 06:35.25 | Otixa | Codes, lol! |
| 06:35.27 | pirate_ | it always helps having someone else look over |
| 06:35.28 | IbebusinessS1339 | (something you assume is right, for instance the player number) |
| 06:35.33 | tordy | is there a reason the cost doesnt show up in my command card ability button? |
| 06:35.41 | tordy | even though there is a cost |
| 06:35.44 | Otixa | puts head on touchpad |
| 06:35.46 | pirate_ | hardcoding x to 1 ddidnt change nothin |
| 06:35.51 | IbebusinessS1339 | hmmmm |
| 06:35.59 | tordy | the cost shows up on one building |
| 06:36.04 | tordy | but not the other |
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| 06:36.50 | pirate_ | what do people use for uploading small files these days? |
| 06:37.09 | IbebusinessS1339 | how do you check if a player already has a bank for your map? |
| 06:37.16 | IbebusinessS1339 | file send |
| 06:37.22 | IbebusinessS1339 | filesend.net |
| 06:37.24 | IbebusinessS1339 | i think |
| 06:37.39 | pirate_ | if FootBank exists for player 'x' |
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| 06:37.50 | pirate_ | load values, else set default values |
| 06:37.51 | IbebusinessS1339 | then, what do you do? |
| 06:37.55 | IbebusinessS1339 | kk |
| 06:37.57 | IbebusinessS1339 | cool |
| 06:38.14 | IbebusinessS1339 | gets nervous as he's running out of ideas :P |
| 06:38.22 | tordy | whaaaaa |
| 06:38.33 | DePro | So this is a little silly: I tried cloning the minerals footprint and modifying it to be twice as tall, but my structure that uses the new mineral footprint doesn't snap to the structure placement grid. |
| 06:39.04 | IbebusinessS1339 | hold shift? - depro- |
| 06:39.10 | IbebusinessS1339 | and pirate |
| 06:39.21 | DePro | No, shift doesn't affect it. |
| 06:39.43 | IbebusinessS1339 | set a variable, that IF bank exists, set true, and use debugger or message UI to see |
| 06:40.03 | IbebusinessS1339 | I want to know if the bank "exists" |
| 06:40.21 | DePro | I went so far as to check the XML and they're as similar as one would expect... different radius, offsets, and borders in the "shape" section, though. |
| 06:40.34 | IbebusinessS1339 | idk sorry pro |
| 06:40.46 | pirate_ | PMd you map |
| 06:40.53 | pirate_ | well |
| 06:40.56 | pirate_ | query or whatever |
| 06:45.45 | mapman_ | hey if you have an array of integers and what to select on of them which has a particular value |
| 06:45.53 | mapman_ | is there a quick way to do it? |
| 06:46.19 | mapman_ | want* |
| 06:46.20 | mapman_ | not what |
| 06:46.23 | mapman_ | :/ |
| 06:46.51 | DePro | No quick way. Gotta loop through the integers until you find it. You can make that a function, though. |
| 06:47.01 | mapman_ | aw lame |
| 06:48.18 | mapman_ | is there a consequence to, say, spawn units for a player that doesnt exist |
| 06:48.24 | mapman_ | it jsut gives an error |
| 06:48.31 | mapman_ | can i just let it be? |
| 06:49.02 | DePro | While (yourIntegerArray[indexVar] != integerYouWantToFind && indexVar <= arrayMaxIndex) increment indexVar, which is a local variable you're using for the index. After the loop, check if indexVar <= arrayMaxIndex, and if it is, return true. Return false otherwise. |
| 06:49.27 | DePro | You can determine if the player doesn't exist. ;) |
| 06:49.32 | mapman_ | oh tks |
| 06:49.38 | mapman_ | yes |
| 06:49.44 | mapman_ | but im asking |
| 06:49.47 | mapman_ | if it matters |
| 06:49.51 | DePro | Well, errors are ugly! |
| 06:49.55 | mapman_ | cuz it would save time |
| 06:49.58 | mapman_ | lol true |
| 06:50.11 | mapman_ | outside of that, no other consequence? |
| 06:50.13 | mapman_ | :D |
| 06:51.37 | DePro | Can't say I know for sure! But it's not likely that there is any other consequence. |
| 06:52.05 | mapman_ | aint tks! |
| 06:52.12 | mapman_ | aight* |
| 06:52.21 | DePro | Man, this is crap. I wonder where the "this footprint ought to snap to the grid" data is stored, if not the footprint data file... |
| 06:55.02 | mapman_ | what? |
| 06:55.06 | mapman_ | whats a footprint |
| 06:55.39 | mapman_ | what whats grid data |
| 06:55.41 | mapman_ | :l |
| 06:56.20 | DePro | It's that thing that tells the game how a unit interacts with other units positionally; supply depots have a contour 2x2 footprint; mineral fields have a footprint that prevents command centers from being placed near them. |
| 06:56.37 | mapman_ | ah |
| 06:56.41 | mapman_ | 'oh well ill fix it then |
| 06:56.43 | mapman_ | but later |
| 06:56.45 | Vail | it also prevents them from spawning near command centers ... |
| 06:57.10 | mapman_ | anyone knows i there a way to make a if then,if then, if then without the chain breaking if one of them is true |
| 06:57.11 | mapman_ | ? |
| 06:57.30 | mapman_ | if |
| 06:57.32 | mapman_ | * |
| 06:57.35 | mapman_ | omg my spelling sucks |
| 06:59.45 | Vail | you want an if then.. where if a is false but b and c are ture to do b and c while if a and c are true do those and ignore b? |
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| 07:01.36 | mapman_ | no |
| 07:01.41 | mapman_ | i wanna do |
| 07:01.54 | mapman_ | if then if then if then |
| 07:02.01 | mapman_ | and even if one of the IFs is false |
| 07:02.07 | mapman_ | it wont skip the others |
| 07:02.19 | mapman_ | i mean true |
| 07:02.33 | DePro | Don't put any if inside the other if's "then" or "else" sections. |
| 07:03.35 | mapman_ | i meant an if then else if function |
| 07:04.04 | mapman_ | it skips the rest when one of the if returns true |
| 07:04.23 | DePro | Well, don't use an If Then Else If! :0 |
| 07:04.29 | mapman_ | i guess ill make all separates if then |
| 07:04.40 | mapman_ | like 10 of them |
| 07:04.43 | mapman_ | :S |
| 07:05.28 | DePro | If Then Else If is functionally equivalent of putting each If in the previous If's Else section. :P |
| 07:07.59 | mapman_ | no i mean each if then funcitons independantly |
| 07:08.20 | DePro | Yeah, I know what you mean. I'm telling you If Then Else If is simply not intended for such a sue. |
| 07:08.21 | DePro | use* |
| 07:11.52 | DePro | Well, this is more than a little bit annoying. If I select the Mineral Fields footprint, this works properly; if I clone that footprint (with the column view, even, so it won't corrupt the footprint) it won't snap to the grid anymore. Blizzard, you must still be hard-coding fools! |
| 07:14.36 | mapman_ | mm |
| 07:14.37 | mapman_ | yea |
| 07:14.43 | mapman_ | i had a bug 2 hours ago |
| 07:14.48 | mapman_ | maybe you can scroll up |
| 07:14.59 | DePro | Heh, took me a while, but I finally found that someone else confirms this. |
| 07:15.11 | mapman_ | my bug? |
| 07:15.13 | DePro | "Duplicating a premade footprint will not guarantee that the new footprint will behave exactly the same as the old one. When placing down a unit with the new footprint, the unit will not snap to the grid as the unit with the old footprint would." |
| 07:15.14 | mapman_ | or your problem? |
| 07:15.17 | DePro | Mine. :p |
| 07:15.50 | mapman_ | a footprint is basically a memory of every movement of a unit? |
| 07:15.50 | Vail | hmm i have not had that problem |
| 07:18.12 | IbebusinessS1339 | otixa!!!! |
| 07:18.15 | IbebusinessS1339 | it has bones! |
| 07:18.17 | IbebusinessS1339 | lol |
| 07:18.51 | DePro | I've come across about 9 or 10 bugs in my nearly four weeks of using the editor--but I came across all of them within the first 2-3 weeks. |
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| 07:21.29 | DePro | I listed six on the official forums, one or two were already mentioned by other people, and this one I hadn't realized yet when I made the post. <.< |
| 07:21.50 | DePro | (I mean, I didn't list the one or two that other people already mentioned) |
| 07:27.07 | DePro | "Also, has any thought been put into allowing [...] side angles that aren't multiples of 45?" Hehehe, this guy clearly isn't an experienced programmer. |
| 07:27.15 | tordy | yo wassup pimp |
| 07:28.45 | DePro | There are a few possibilities! I'm betting footprints are loaded in the map editor before the custom dependencies are and don't update when they're changed. |
| 07:34.15 | mapman_ | is one of them with the or condition? |
| 07:35.05 | DePro | One of the bugs I discovered? No. |
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| 07:43.49 | Vail | come on my behavior ont stack... what the hell |
| 07:44.19 | DePro | Do you have the max stacks set to 0? :P |
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| 07:45.08 | Vail | nope 13 |
| 07:45.42 | DePro | How about the max stacks per caster? |
| 07:45.49 | Vail | also 13 |
| 07:46.17 | DePro | And the behavior is doing something that should definitely stack? <.< |
| 07:46.19 | tordy | wassdup |
| 07:48.33 | Vail | well not exactly i have a validator disabling the behavior until it reaches a count of four |
| 07:49.32 | DePro | Heh. 250mmStrikeCannons is the only behavior defined in Liberty.SC2Mod that has a max stack count of more than 1. |
| 07:49.46 | DePro | Oh, well, you better verify your validator is correct, then! :p |
| 07:49.55 | Vail | done |
| 07:50.03 | Vail | have no clue if it is or not |
| 07:50.14 | DePro | (Is the validator maybe checking how many behaviors are ACTIVE? ...because that would kinda prevent it from activating the behaviors.) |
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| 07:50.24 | Vail | gah |
| 07:52.55 | Bean | If its not the validator, try setting the max stacks per caster to 0 |
| 07:53.44 | DePro | I have a feeling it probably does only check active behaviors and not disabled ones. You can try making a dummy behavior which applies a periodic effect which applies the real behavior, and make the validator based on the dummy behavior but put the validator in the effect... :p |
| 07:54.49 | DePro | Or use markers. I've neither messed with those nor researched them, but from what I've merely speculated about them, I think they'd work for this. (See "No Medivac Markers" validator) :P |
| 07:55.10 | Vail | hmm |
| 07:56.10 | Vail | yeah that was it |
| 07:56.12 | Vail | thanks |
| 07:56.16 | tordy | cheese mister |
| 07:56.18 | DePro | high-fives |
| 07:56.32 | Vail | high-fives too |
| 08:05.41 | Vail | found another issue ... the unit i was using was not infestable |
| 08:06.01 | Bean | Anyone know of a footprint editor? |
| 08:06.30 | Vail | othe than the one in the editor i dont |
| 08:07.44 | tordy | baby |
| 08:07.45 | tordy | wassup |
| 08:12.27 | DePro | Bean: Footprints are the devil. <.< |
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| 08:14.56 | Vail | Depro just so im clear you are setting the placement footprint and having trouble with it? |
| 08:15.56 | DePro | Yeah, the automatic grid-snapping functionality that is present with all structure and doodads disappears when I set a unit's footprint to one I made, even if it's a fresh clone of another footprint. |
| 08:16.25 | DePro | Works fine if I change it to a built-in footprint. |
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| 08:20.40 | Vail | hmm |
| 08:20.48 | nodgene | GOOD MORNING Gentlemen |
| 08:21.18 | nodgene | I managed to spent about 24 hours working on my map, all night, the other night :| |
| 08:22.25 | DePro | Making SC2 maps has been the most productive thing I could think of and do for most of the last several weeks. <.< |
| 08:23.55 | nodgene | I have other productive things to do, but it was a good way of helping to get the idea implimented and having my sleep routeen reset, heh |
| 08:24.05 | Vail | if i wanted to apply a behavior to a unit with a buff would i set it to target or caster? |
| 08:24.26 | nodgene | is the buff affecting the caster or target? |
| 08:24.44 | Vail | the buff is on the target of the next buff |
| 08:24.52 | nodgene | Not that I know very much about that sort of thing |
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| 08:27.57 | DePro | Oh, lookie there, 3:30 AM. I should sleep! |
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| 08:36.53 | nodgene | ...is anyone here? |
| 08:40.22 | Vail | yes but we are all dead |
| 08:43.08 | Vail | well i have to restart later all thats my queue to Sleep |
| 08:44.14 | Helral|Work | meow |
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| 08:53.54 | tordy | boop |
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| 09:09.31 | Godofrndmobjcts | anyone there? |
| 09:13.10 | nodgene | hi |
| 09:13.20 | nodgene | do you know the size of a portrait static? |
| 09:14.26 | Godofrndmobjcts | no sorry i dont |
| 09:15.02 | Helral|Work | 144x219 I think ;p |
| 09:15.08 | Helral|Work | but I could be wrong ;p |
| 09:15.30 | Helral|Work | that's the size of the PortraitPanel anyway. |
| 09:15.57 | nodgene | 60 widith 80 height seems to be one what guy uses in his tutorial map |
| 09:16.34 | Helral|Work | that's a tiny portrait.... or about which portrait are you talking? |
| 09:16.42 | Helral|Work | ow the hero button one? |
| 09:17.15 | Helral|Work | hero button image is 80x80 ;p |
| 09:17.17 | nodgene | unitportrait_static |
| 09:17.41 | Helral|Work | hmmmm well if sc2 already has an image of it, you can just look up the size. |
| 09:18.55 | Godofrndmobjcts | helral do you have time to talk abit? |
| 09:19.40 | nodgene | seems like he is |
| 09:19.55 | nodgene | or, has. |
| 09:20.35 | Helral|Work | where do you set/get that, nodgene (unitportrait_static) thing... |
| 09:20.54 | nodgene | err, unsure. |
| 09:20.57 | Helral|Work | what is it ofrnd? ;p |
| 09:21.03 | Godofrndmobjcts | im currently trying to make a UI for my custom map and i just cant keep up with you're ui tutorial. I honestly dont even know where to start as im not much of a data guy/programmar xD im new to editors in general. the most ive ever done is write mpq's for custom wow items lol.. and its been ages since even that. |
| 09:21.38 | Helral|Work | can you follow the text tutorial I've made? |
| 09:22.47 | Helral|Work | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/tutorials/20323-sc2layout-files-override-method-aiurchef-method/#w-what-are-layout-files-and-how-can-they-help <-- tutorial starts there. |
| 09:23.33 | nodgene | you were right about the portrait size helral |
| 09:23.51 | Helral|Work | ;p |
| 09:24.25 | Godofrndmobjcts | yes thats where i just came from actually. i just cant seem to understand it i suppose... like... i follow up until theres things like "<!-- hide entire console panel -->" is that suppose to stay in the text or am i suppose to delete it and move the rest up ect. |
| 09:24.49 | Helral|Work | that's comment. <!-- comment line --> |
| 09:25.07 | Helral|Work | it get's ignored by SC2. |
| 09:25.28 | Helral|Work | so you can actually place informational text inside a layout file without screwing with the functionality. |
| 09:26.09 | Godofrndmobjcts | ah alright, well i'll give it another go. seems like the ui is the hardest part of a basic map lol.. until i run into something even harder. |
| 09:26.26 | Helral|Work | basic XML is as follows: <Element Property=value> |
| 09:26.28 | nodgene | is there a way to make it so that you can click through a dialog image to a button? |
| 09:26.48 | nodgene | or do I just have to position them separately? |
| 09:26.58 | Helral|Work | nodgene: place the button on top of the image, and make it invisible. |
| 09:27.09 | nodgene | oh, clever |
| 09:27.24 | nodgene | how do I make the button invisible? |
| 09:27.36 | Helral|Work | import or find a transparent.dds file |
| 09:27.51 | Helral|Work | ow wait easier: |
| 09:27.57 | Helral|Work | set the alpha to 0 |
| 09:27.58 | Helral|Work | :) |
| 09:28.11 | Helral|Work | or was it 1... I never know which way to change it. |
| 09:28.41 | Helral|Work | should be a trigger action for changing the dialog item transparency. |
| 09:29.32 | nodgene | .this may sound like a stupid question, but does in the button proprties, "hover image" refer to an image that would do that purpose? |
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| 09:30.23 | nodgene | fuck sake, nuhh, it says the size dimentions above the image. Guh |
| 09:30.24 | Helral|Work | hover image = image to show on mouseover. |
| 09:30.30 | nodgene | Oh |
| 09:30.32 | nodgene | I see |
| 09:32.00 | nodgene | yeah |
| 09:32.01 | Helral|Work | anything else before I disappear again? |
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| 09:32.06 | nodgene | there is transorancy affect |
| 09:32.10 | nodgene | transparency |
| 09:32.11 | nodgene | oh yes |
| 09:32.12 | nodgene | wonder |
| 09:32.20 | Otixa | hits Xaragoth repeatedly with the blunt side of his scythe |
| 09:32.36 | nodgene | if you know how to make it so that command centres allow all team members to use it as a drop off site? |
| 09:32.39 | Xaragoth | melts Otixa's scythe into a metal-puppy. |
| 09:32.42 | Xaragoth | Shut up, what is it? |
| 09:32.48 | Otixa | It's not metal |
| 09:32.56 | Xaragoth | wood burns. |
| 09:33.00 | Helral|Work | Otixa: the blade usually is ;p |
| 09:33.02 | Otixa | Nothing, just annoying the shit out of your lazy assface |
| 09:33.12 | Helral|Work | nodgene: nope. |
| 09:33.19 | Otixa | Helral|Work, mine is antimatter \m/ |
| 09:33.26 | nodgene | GRAAAH |
| 09:33.31 | nodgene | Why does no one know this |
| 09:33.35 | Otixa | watches as the universe implodes |
| 09:33.37 | nodgene | thanks anyway :) |
| 09:33.47 | Xaragoth | Maybe we do and just decide we don't wanna tell you |
| 09:33.47 | Helral|Work | Otixa: so the blade destroyed the wooden handle which you connected it to? |
| 09:33.51 | Xaragoth | Also, I ignored your question. |
| 09:33.59 | Otixa | No, it's floating in a vacuum |
| 09:34.14 | Godofrndmobjcts | lol im so lost here helral. so far i have the main triggers hiding the things they can, i want to move the rest and i just cant seem to be able to lol.. like.. idk im just to stupid to follow your tutorial i think lol.. |
| 09:34.18 | Helral|Work | Otixa: so how can you attack with it then? |
| 09:34.23 | Otixa | Magic, derp |
| 09:34.58 | Helral|Work | ofrnd: http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/tutorials/20323-sc2layout-files-override-method-aiurchef-method/#w-how-to-adjust-the-correct-frame <-- assume you've read that paragraph? |
| 09:35.34 | Otixa | XMLs! |
| 09:35.50 | Otixa | Oh ye, I'm going out of town in 3 hours |
| 09:36.12 | Helral|Work | fastforwards time to get rid of Otixa faster. |
| 09:36.18 | Otixa | You cannot |
| 09:36.30 | Otixa | sits in a temporal dialation field |
| 09:36.41 | Godofrndmobjcts | yes but im confused on what all i need to add into the template file lol.. cause i want to move it all basically so should it all be in one file? so far i have a file open and this is all i have in it "<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8" standalone="yes"?> <Desc> </Desc>" lol |
| 09:37.12 | Otixa | facepalm 2x combos |
| 09:37.47 | Helral|Work | Otixa: so basicly you're sitting outside the timewarp so you notice that time passes faster while I don't, cause I'm inside the timewarp. |
| 09:38.10 | Otixa | Yeh, but I'm still there |
| 09:38.15 | Otixa | You can't get rid of me |
| 09:38.16 | Otixa | ;P |
| 09:38.32 | Otixa | You're just moving faster |
| 09:38.33 | Helral|Work | guess you didn't read what I typed correctly then Otixa. |
| 09:38.50 | Otixa | PIME TARADOX? |
| 09:39.17 | Otixa | Meh, I'm too sleepy for this shit |
| 09:39.24 | Otixa | Can I get on the bus and fall asleep now? |
| 09:39.24 | Helral|Work | then go nap for 3 hours ;p |
| 09:39.25 | Otixa | ¬¬ |
| 09:39.31 | Otixa | No can do |
| 09:39.38 | Helral|Work | sure you can. |
| 09:39.40 | Otixa | Gotta wait for slacker gf |
| 09:39.49 | Otixa | grumbles |
| 09:40.11 | Grum | bles back. |
| 09:40.22 | Otixa | chuckles |
| 09:40.24 | Helral|Work | godo: well use the link in that paragraph and find the frame you want to move. |
| 09:40.28 | Otixa | highfives Grum |
| 09:40.45 | Otixa | Helral|Work, try using tab ;P |
| 09:41.17 | Otixa | i.e. Godo<tab> |
| 09:41.38 | Helral|Work | Otixa: I don't beleive in god... fella's ;p so I'm not using that on purpose ;p |
| 09:41.48 | Otixa | chuckles |
| 09:41.50 | Otixa | Fair enuff |
| 09:42.01 | Helral|Work | ya think I keep typing out your name ? |
| 09:42.08 | Otixa | shrugs |
| 09:42.11 | Helral|Work | O<Tab>:.... |
| 09:42.12 | Otixa | It's 5 chars ;p |
| 09:42.30 | Helral|Work | Otixa: I only use 2 keys for your name ;p |
| 09:42.36 | Otixa | btw Xaragoth, check it -> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10032576/misc/Desktop.jpg |
| 09:43.00 | Otixa | You're gonna make me change to something with X ;P |
| 09:43.16 | Otixa | Just to inconvenience you |
| 09:43.19 | Helral|Work | sure go ahead ;p |
| 09:43.30 | Xatio | :> |
| 09:43.38 | Xatio | Ty now :D |
| 09:43.45 | Xatio | s/Ty/Try/ |
| 09:43.50 | Helral|Work | why you know I'm talking to you ;p |
| 09:43.58 | Xatio | smacks Helral|Work |
| 09:44.00 | Helral|Work | so no need to emphasize it. |
| 09:44.29 | Otixa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI6CfKcMhjY |
| 09:44.44 | Helral|Work | I knew I forgot to make a bet with someone on the fact that I could make Otixa change his name in IRC without me doing anything. |
| 09:45.10 | Otixa | shrugs |
| 09:45.16 | Otixa | I have too many names ;p |
| 09:45.31 | SC2WorkingKitten | meows |
| 09:45.52 | Otixa | Hmmmmm... |
| 09:45.56 | Otixa | equips ScytheBlade1 |
| 09:46.02 | Otixa | swings at SC2WorkingKitten |
| 09:46.16 | SC2WorkingKitten | ducks |
| 09:46.18 | SC2WorkingKitten | ;p |
| 09:46.58 | Otixa | The song is pretty lulzy :D |
| 09:48.11 | Godofrndmobjcts | this has to be easier than im making it lol. |
| 09:48.12 | nodgene | thanks helral, it's working now. The transparency and such. |
| 09:48.24 | SC2WorkingKitten | :) |
| 09:48.42 | Godofrndmobjcts | i dont think im cut out for messing with the ui xD |
| 09:48.53 | nodgene | YOU'RE NOW A KITTEN? |
| 09:49.14 | SC2WorkingKitten | godo: I assume you also took a look at the sc2layout files posted at that tutorial. |
| 09:49.25 | Godofrndmobjcts | yea |
| 09:49.28 | SC2WorkingKitten | nodgene: I've always been one .... nothing new. |
| 09:49.39 | nodgene | A conspiracy eh |
| 09:49.45 | nodgene | bbl |
| 09:50.27 | Godofrndmobjcts | i just still dont know where to start lol.. like.. i downloaded the template and opened it in notepad to start editing it but idk if thats even right lol.. im just a big bundle of lost and confused xD |
| 09:51.34 | SC2WorkingKitten | well first decide what you want to change. |
| 09:51.43 | SC2WorkingKitten | then search for the correct frame to adjust. |
| 09:52.57 | SC2WorkingKitten | you search for it in either the SC2Layout files, or in this list: http://109.71.49.81/SC2LayoutFrames.html |
| 09:55.59 | Otixa | Your shitty UI generator made FF crash >:[ |
| 09:56.11 | Otixa | Much rage |
| 09:56.16 | SC2WorkingKitten | what I just linked wasn't an UI generator ;p |
| 09:56.36 | Otixa | Yeah, I'm not talking about that link ;P |
| 09:56.48 | Otixa | UIgenerator.html or summat |
| 09:57.09 | SC2WorkingKitten | ah well.... your fault for having an instable FF version ;p |
| 09:57.23 | Otixa | It's the latest version ._. |
| 09:57.46 | SC2WorkingKitten | ow the beta one, yeah those are usually instable ;p |
| 09:58.36 | Otixa | no shit ;P |
| 09:58.53 | XenoX101 | hey is player 1 player "0" in the triggers? |
| 09:58.57 | XenoX101 | or still player 1 |
| 09:59.02 | SC2WorkingKitten | 0 = neutral |
| 09:59.07 | XenoX101 | o ok |
| 09:59.34 | Otixa | Shitting dick nipples ¬¬ |
| 10:00.19 | Otixa | goes downstairs |
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| 10:04.22 | XenoX101 | damnit |
| 10:04.37 | XenoX101 | I dont have enough room on the map to accomodate 10 players D: |
| 10:07.20 | XenoX101 | is there any way I can name teams |
| 10:07.27 | XenoX101 | so people know that team 2 is observers only |
| 10:12.08 | Dalruin | does the galaxy editor seem to be buggy for anyone else? |
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| 10:13.51 | SC2WorkingKitten | Dalruin: if the GE is starting to be buggy, try rebooting it. if that doesn't fix it check the Galaxy Editor bugs section in the forums. ;p |
| 10:14.03 | SC2WorkingKitten | restarting it* |
| 10:15.50 | Dalruin | I just started using the editor, and im following bifuu's unit creation guide but the editor keeps renaming my damn unit and wont save the name i gave it, and the actor keeps reseting to marine copy 2 (which isnt even a damn unit i created) |
| 10:16.44 | Dalruin | why cant they just make it simple and allow you to add multiple units to the same damn actor so you do not have to create/duplicate new actors every time, its frustrating |
| 10:26.40 | XenoX101 | what does "script took too long: execution failed" mean |
| 10:27.01 | XenoX101 | script load failed: execution took too long |
| 10:34.28 | XenoX101 | lol I disabled every single trigger |
| 10:34.29 | XenoX101 | still comes up |
| 10:38.02 | nodgene | WORKING KITTY |
| 10:40.03 | nodgene | Have you created an infinate loop, xeno? |
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| 10:47.56 | XenoX101 | can anyone help, I honestly have no idea why this is happening |
| 10:49.23 | nodgene | no idea |
| 10:51.21 | XenoX101 | does the script still run if its disabled |
| 10:51.32 | XenoX101 | would I still get errors from disabled triggers |
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| 10:53.20 | Otixa | Burn it |
| 10:53.24 | Otixa | BURN IT ALL |
| 10:53.36 | Otixa | glares |
| 10:57.09 | XenoX101 | :( |
| 10:57.15 | XenoX101 | I dont know why this is happening |
| 10:58.34 | XenoX101 | maybe its my 280 size array |
| 11:00.13 | XenoX101 | yeah that seems to be it, fuck |
| 11:00.23 | SC2WorkingKitten | XenoX101: prolly some trigger that loops too much.... |
| 11:00.45 | XenoX101 | nope just found it its an array thats too big |
| 11:00.53 | SC2WorkingKitten | hmmm my 5x200x4 array doesn't cause that problem... |
| 11:01.05 | SC2WorkingKitten | or was it 5x2000x4 array.... |
| 11:01.21 | SC2WorkingKitten | ah well it contained 4k+ possible values. |
| 11:01.25 | SC2WorkingKitten | it can contain ;p |
| 11:02.49 | XenoX101 | is it integers |
| 11:02.55 | XenoX101 | or game links |
| 11:03.03 | SC2WorkingKitten | integers ;p |
| 11:03.37 | XenoX101 | yeah it seems a 200+ gamelink variable |
| 11:03.39 | XenoX101 | shits it up |
| 11:03.54 | XenoX101 | fook |
| 11:03.59 | XenoX101 | thats not good |
| 11:04.01 | SC2WorkingKitten | you changed the default value ? |
| 11:04.16 | XenoX101 | nope |
| 11:04.45 | SC2WorkingKitten | then it shouldn't be a problem whether it is 200 or 2000 for an array definition. |
| 11:04.56 | XenoX101 | well I disabled it and the error disappears |
| 11:05.09 | SC2WorkingKitten | the setting of the value for each possible value is prolly what causes the problem. |
| 11:05.11 | XenoX101 | everything else I try to disable doesnt change |
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| 11:08.47 | XenoX101 | aaarrrr |
| 11:13.15 | XenoX101 | hm |
| 11:15.00 | XenoX101 | I can try two things |
| 11:15.16 | XenoX101 | use presets instead, or get unit type from string |
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| 11:18.53 | Otixa | kicks Dekar- |
| 11:19.00 | Dekar- | slaps Otixa around a bit with a large trout |
| 11:19.17 | Otixa | evades |
| 11:19.56 | Dekar- | hits Xaragoth instead |
| 11:20.04 | Otixa | approves |
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| 11:26.17 | XenoX101 | ok this is a lot more complicated than I thought |
| 11:26.36 | XenoX101 | apparently I can only have 1 of these [10][279][5][9] size arrays |
| 11:26.54 | XenoX101 | I have two enabled and it says "Execution took too long" |
| 11:27.02 | XenoX101 | if I disable either of the two, it works |
| 11:27.11 | XenoX101 | or well it doesnt error out |
| 11:27.20 | XenoX101 | error* |
| 11:27.42 | XenoX101 | so I was wrong it doesnt matter what type of value is in it |
| 11:27.48 | XenoX101 | it just doesnt seem to like -both- variables there at once |
| 11:29.03 | XenoX101 | sigh |
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| 12:43.03 | Xaragoth | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8WiyX21A1c&feature=player_embedded awesome |
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| 12:50.49 | tordy | DarkRevanent here |
| 12:50.50 | tordy | nope |
| 12:50.54 | tordy | how did he do the global banking>? |
| 12:51.08 | tordy | did he use viral or get people to upload their banks? |
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| 13:40.12 | NekRo | Anyone good at spriting here? |
| 13:41.44 | NekRo | SNES style sprites specifically, or even Terraria like? |
| 13:45.01 | NekRo | Is anyone even on? lol |
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| 13:56.18 | Dustin | Nope |
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| 14:17.52 | Nash|327 | sprites are evul |
| 14:21.37 | NekRo | Sprites are kewl. D: |
| 14:23.56 | Nash|327 | noes |
| 14:24.40 | NekRo | yes! |
| 14:25.01 | NekRo | I love the SNES, style games, or really anything with good sprite work! |
| 14:29.19 | Nash|327 | illogical |
| 14:31.00 | Nash|327 | The reason for sprite graphics was technological constraints, not superior aesthetic qualities of the approach. |
| 14:31.28 | Nash|327 | To laud sprite graphics is to deny several years of technical development. |
| 14:31.53 | Nash|327 | I an illogical preference for an outdated method. |
| 14:33.05 | Nash|327 | Illogical behavior must be eradicated. |
| 14:34.35 | Nash|327 | Do you also prefer horse and wagon for transportation over the automobile? |
| 14:37.43 | NekRo | What's wrong with liking sprites? |
| 14:38.04 | NekRo | I like our technology we have, but I also like sprites. |
| 14:38.16 | NekRo | Horse and wagon is pretty cool, but so is the automobile.\ |
| 14:38.35 | Nash|327 | ILLOGICAL |
| 14:38.42 | NekRo | How is that illogical? |
| 14:38.45 | NekRo | Liking both? |
| 14:38.53 | NekRo | It's an opinion. |
| 14:39.27 | Brainshack | dont feed the troll |
| 14:39.40 | Nash|327 | You shall have to be contained, lest you spread your irrationality to others. |
| 14:39.56 | NekRo | ... |
| 14:40.01 | NekRo | Trololololol |
| 14:40.52 | Nash|327 | Some sort of giant puzzle... |
| 14:41.01 | NekRo | trololololololol |
| 14:41.04 | Nash|327 | The only way to escape is to be logical and rational. |
| 14:41.49 | NekRo | Go be logical where someone cares. :) |
| 14:42.39 | Nash|327 | Well, that would be anywhere. |
| 14:42.50 | NekRo | illogical! |
| 14:49.05 | MindWorX` | I like sprite graphics more |
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| 15:09.07 | Motive | I'm a fan of sprite graphics, if only from my experience on Ragnarok Online. They did some nice work. |
| 15:09.14 | Motive | It could also be easier on development for someone who can't model. |
| 15:09.20 | Motive | Just an artistic choice, in my opinion. |
| 15:12.37 | NekRo | Do you know how to make them? |
| 15:13.12 | Motive | Nope |
| 15:13.13 | Motive | Lol |
| 15:13.50 | NekRo | haha, I was just wondering because your avatar looked like a sprite. :) |
| 15:14.16 | Motive | 100% programmer, 0% artist here |
| 15:14.17 | Motive | Lol |
| 15:14.51 | NekRo | I do some programming. :D |
| 15:14.56 | NekRo | Super fun. :D |
| 15:19.39 | JademusSreg | I awaken. |
| 15:20.39 | MindWorX` | kicks JademusSreg in the groin. |
| 15:20.43 | MindWorX` | MORNIN' BITCH! |
| 15:22.08 | nodgene | ... this may sound simple, but how do I issue an order to a unit to tell it to move via triggers? |
| 15:22.33 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 15:23.00 | JademusSreg | Use Issue Order |
| 15:23.10 | JademusSreg | I assume you mean in GUI. |
| 15:23.24 | JademusSreg | The default Issue Order mode is No Target. |
| 15:23.57 | JademusSreg | Set the mode in the lower right pane to Issue Order Targeting Point. |
| 15:26.10 | nodgene | ah right, thanks |
| 15:26.22 | Brainshack | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vlEavUH9ng xD |
| 15:26.45 | JademusSreg | Gross. |
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| 15:28.16 | nodgene | INAZUMA |
| 15:28.17 | Inazuma | oh hai |
| 15:28.21 | Inazuma | thats me |
| 15:28.29 | nodgene | k |
| 15:32.09 | JademusSreg | Mindy: http://www.wired.com/geekdad/2011/06/you-should-keep-watching-game-of-thrones/ |
| 15:32.12 | JademusSreg | =D |
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| 15:37.45 | Xaragoth | I haz returned. |
| 15:37.50 | Xaragoth | And I found cookies |
| 15:38.25 | nodgene | here |
| 15:38.27 | nodgene | does anyone know |
| 15:38.31 | nodgene | why when I tell an upgrade |
| 15:38.38 | nodgene | to give 1 amour and 1 armour level |
| 15:38.50 | MindWorX` | JademusSreg, !! :D |
| 15:39.06 | nodgene | it randomly decides to give, SOMETIMES, inconcistantly.... to give 3 armour |
| 15:39.08 | nodgene | then 1 |
| 15:39.10 | nodgene | then none |
| 15:39.16 | nodgene | for levels 1 2 and 3 |
| 15:39.23 | nodgene | 123 |
| 15:39.25 | nodgene | as it should |
| 15:39.27 | nodgene | and sometimes |
| 15:39.39 | nodgene | why does the game have their... periodic ambugity |
| 15:39.44 | nodgene | this* |
| 15:40.09 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 15:40.40 | MindWorX` | But that just served to make me even more impatient :P |
| 15:41.15 | MindWorX` | I just watched the pilot episode for "Legend of the Seeker", and after watching "Game of Thrones", I'm not impressed. |
| 15:41.30 | JademusSreg | Legend of the Seeker never impressed me. |
| 15:42.01 | MindWorX` | I just desperately looked for some sort of fantasy television series, and that's the first I found. |
| 15:42.16 | MindWorX` | And by fantasy, I mean knights'n'magic, not vampires'n'teengirls. |
| 15:42.49 | JademusSreg | 1) Xena or Hercules much? Those shows were campy even at the heights of their production quality. |
| 15:43.56 | JademusSreg | 2) While I admit I enjoyed some of the shit in the Sword of Truth series, Terry Goodkind is a pretentious Objectivist twat. |
| 15:44.21 | MindWorX` | :P |
| 15:44.42 | JademusSreg | And if there is any doubt about that, read The Law of Nines. |
| 15:44.59 | JademusSreg | That novel is the twatiest. |
| 15:45.54 | A1win | I doubt you'll find anything decent if you compare it to game of thrones ;D |
| 15:46.02 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 15:46.20 | JademusSreg | I watched one episode of Legend of the Seeker and threw it in the garbage. |
| 15:47.34 | JademusSreg | Portal 2 map pack released, woo. |
| 15:47.39 | MindWorX` | What's really impressive is the production value. I mean, I've read impressive stories, and A Song of Ice and Fire is awesome, but in itself, not what impressed me. What really got me fired up was the quality of the acting, the actors really seem to put their soul in to it. And the scenes are amazing. I keep comparing it to Lord of the Rings. |
| 15:47.41 | A1win | there's Merlin it's meant for quite young audience and its CGI sucks... as well as most of the plots |
| 15:47.47 | A1win | *but it's meant |
| 15:48.02 | A1win | *plot lines |
| 15:48.19 | A1win | but it was alright for some parts |
| 15:48.31 | A1win | before the 2nd season :P |
| 15:48.39 | JademusSreg | Yeah, Mindy, only the LotR films had gobs of filler sequences. |
| 15:48.51 | JademusSreg | I wouldn't watch those films again unless I were paid or intoxicated. |
| 15:48.51 | MindWorX` | Indeed :P |
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| 15:49.22 | MindWorX` | I was really dissapointed with the LotR movies. |
| 15:49.28 | A1win | I haven't read a song of ice and fire, GoT is still good ;p |
| 15:49.44 | MindWorX` | I expected to be dissapointed, but not as much as I did. |
| 15:49.51 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 15:49.57 | MindWorX` | Leaving out whole characters and complete races. |
| 15:50.02 | A1win | heyy have you seen the discworld miniseries ;o |
| 15:50.08 | A1win | those are neat |
| 15:50.21 | A1win | colour of magic, hogfather and going postal |
| 15:50.48 | JademusSreg | I haven't read A Song of Fire and Ice yet; a friend recommended it to me years ago, but now that the show has started, I do not dare spoil the events for myself by reading the series. I shall wait until it concludes. |
| 15:50.56 | JademusSreg | I have heard of, A1. |
| 15:50.59 | JademusSreg | But not seen. |
| 15:51.37 | A1win | you should ^^ |
| 15:51.54 | Inazuma | Does anyone have a link to a guide to creating new units with the data editor? Specifically I want to make a Brood Lord that fires banelings :) |
| 15:53.14 | JademusSreg | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_1Ao2cd5BM |
| 15:53.37 | JademusSreg | Neat new mechanics. |
| 15:54.42 | JademusSreg | I wonder if they are limited to the Rzer, though. |
| 15:54.51 | JademusSreg | *Razer |
| 15:56.15 | A1win | doubtfully :> |
| 15:56.39 | A1win | would be quite a waste of time to do that just for one control device |
| 15:56.54 | A1win | ...that isn't a standard one |
| 15:57.19 | A1win | says it's from a DLC package so I guess it's already out? |
| 15:57.31 | A1win | oh |
| 15:57.31 | A1win | nvm |
| 15:57.56 | Dresnia | Jade it's something Razer exlusive yeah |
| 15:58.02 | Dresnia | I readed it before P2 was out |
| 15:58.02 | A1win | from a DLC that comes with it :P |
| 15:58.15 | Dresnia | You can buy portal 2+razer toy in a 'box' |
| 15:58.34 | Motive | Jademus, Jademus, such a sreg. |
| 15:58.42 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 15:59.47 | Dresnia | I find Razer highly overrated though. |
| 15:59.57 | Dresnia | Nothing beats a solid 'high-end' Logitech for me.. |
| 16:00.22 | JademusSreg | Their devices often look ugly, clashes with my prefered minimalist aesthetic. |
| 16:00.46 | Motive | Minimalism is sexy. |
| 16:01.12 | Dresnia | I got a razor naga ? 15buttons |
| 16:01.15 | Dresnia | it sucks balls man |
| 16:01.23 | Dresnia | dirt goes in every mm of this crap design |
| 16:01.32 | Dresnia | and the mouse is so small it's clearly designed for kids |
| 16:01.39 | Motive | I can't decide on a new phone b/c of all the ugly overdesigned shit they sell :( |
| 16:01.45 | Dresnia | Pro tip |
| 16:01.52 | Dresnia | Get a 30$ nokia phone |
| 16:01.58 | Dresnia | load it up 1 times a week |
| 16:02.02 | Dresnia | ALWAYS good connection and shit |
| 16:02.06 | Motive | Well I do want a camera built in, too |
| 16:02.08 | Motive | But that's about it. |
| 16:02.08 | Motive | Lol |
| 16:04.27 | A1win | buy a phone... and a camera :o |
| 16:04.32 | Motive | nonsense |
| 16:05.42 | A1win | I still have my 8 year old nokia phone |
| 16:06.02 | A1win | battery is dying (again) but otherwise it works like a new |
| 16:06.25 | Motive | My current LG Versa has a tendency to crash and freeze like a bitch |
| 16:06.29 | Motive | It's 2 years old at most. |
| 16:07.42 | A1win | I suppose a lot of the new tech is designed to break down after a few years |
| 16:07.47 | Dresnia | I bought a thingy |
| 16:07.53 | Dresnia | nokia 5800xpress music ? |
| 16:08.03 | Dresnia | was like 599 or 499 no idea |
| 16:08.08 | Dresnia | I threw it out after a week |
| 16:08.10 | Dresnia | fuckall slow man |
| 16:08.16 | Dresnia | 30 phones are fast |
| 16:12.31 | Inazuma | How do I get the unit menu to show a custom unit that I've just made in the data menu? |
| 16:12.45 | A1win | unit menu? |
| 16:13.08 | Inazuma | it doesnt appear |
| 16:13.13 | A1win | what unit menu D: |
| 16:13.42 | A1win | oh the terrain editor? |
| 16:14.02 | A1win | did you refresh the list by writing something in the search box and erasing? |
| 16:14.06 | *** join/#sc2mapster Inazuma_ (561e1c0b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.28.11) |
| 16:14.13 | Inazuma_ | What unit menu? |
| 16:14.18 | A1win | 19:13:42 < A1win> oh the terrain editor? |
| 16:14.18 | A1win | 19:14:02 < A1win> did you refresh the list by writing something in the search box and erasing? |
| 16:14.21 | Inazuma_ | As in the menu that you use to place units |
| 16:14.34 | A1win | or by changing the filters or somethin |
| 16:14.35 | A1win | g |
| 16:14.45 | Inazuma_ | terrain menu and unit menu are completely seperate for me |
| 16:14.56 | A1win | yeah but it's the terrain editor where the unti menu is :P |
| 16:15.05 | A1win | took me a while to realize what you meant |
| 16:15.13 | A1win | I mean |
| 16:15.15 | A1win | the terrain module |
| 16:15.23 | A1win | as in not data or trigger module |
| 16:15.32 | Inazuma_ | Ive even just reloaded the map editor and the units still arent there |
| 16:15.38 | A1win | oh |
| 16:15.47 | A1win | have you given it some editor categories? |
| 16:15.52 | A1win | or something |
| 16:15.59 | Inazuma_ | Well yeh the unit menu is in the same place as where terrain menu appears, but you use a different button to open it right |
| 16:16.03 | A1win | or race, at least |
| 16:16.12 | A1win | I know ;p |
| 16:16.14 | Inazuma_ | This new unit is basically a duplicate of another unit |
| 16:16.28 | A1win | does it have an actor? |
| 16:16.36 | Inazuma_ | hmm no |
| 16:16.50 | A1win | you should duplicate the actor as well when you're duplicating a unit |
| 16:17.01 | A1win | might be a bit painfull to make an actor from scratch |
| 16:17.23 | Inazuma_ | maybe, but I didnt actulaly use the duplicate button. I used Add Unit and said "Make copy" |
| 16:17.43 | A1win | oh... well use the duplicate ;p |
| 16:17.47 | Inazuma_ | lol ok |
| 16:18.02 | Inazuma_ | :o |
| 16:18.05 | A1win | then you get a list of things linked to it |
| 16:18.08 | A1win | just check actor |
| 16:18.26 | A1win | or rather the actor itself, not the actor group in the list |
| 16:18.28 | A1win | meh |
| 16:18.41 | A1win | (in case there are more than one actor linked to it) |
| 16:19.15 | Inazuma_ | Ok right |
| 16:19.23 | Inazuma_ | so Ive just duplicated a banshee |
| 16:19.23 | A1win | I mean, you should duplicate the actors that are unique to the unit, not the actors that are shared by multiple units |
| 16:19.29 | Inazuma_ | checked all the boxes |
| 16:19.32 | Inazuma_ | and then gave it a new name |
| 16:19.34 | A1win | don't check all ;p |
| 16:19.37 | A1win | just the actor |
| 16:19.39 | Inazuma_ | But still no new unit in menu |
| 16:20.22 | A1win | just one banshee there? |
| 16:20.29 | Inazuma_ | yep |
| 16:20.53 | A1win | and you tried typing the unit's name in the search box? |
| 16:22.48 | Inazuma_ | yep |
| 16:22.52 | Inazuma_ | D: |
| 16:23.37 | A1win | there's a difference between the unit's name and the unit's display name btw |
| 16:23.46 | A1win | the unit list shows display names |
| 16:25.03 | Dresnia | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9bXLZVztwk |
| 16:25.07 | Dresnia | CRY BITCH CRY |
| 16:25.10 | A1win | away for a while -> |
| 16:25.12 | Inazuma_ | Yeh ive pretty much looked everywhere in there |
| 16:25.15 | Dresnia | 4chan.org/b/ won clearly ;p |
| 16:26.09 | A1win | Inazuma_, take some screenshots of the data editor, showing the unit's linked objects tree and then double click the unit and a screenshot of that as well |
| 16:26.41 | A1win | back in 30 or so -> |
| 16:29.33 | Motive | damnit, photon cycles still isn't #1 on battle.net |
| 16:29.35 | Motive | wtf, people |
| 16:31.16 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 16:31.40 | JademusSreg | Youp laying some Photon Cycles, Motive? |
| 16:32.15 | Motive | Trying to |
| 16:32.16 | Motive | Lol |
| 16:32.18 | Motive | 2 people in my lobby |
| 16:32.24 | JademusSreg | Want me to join? |
| 16:32.30 | Motive | Sure :D |
| 16:32.36 | Dresnia | SOMEONE |
| 16:32.40 | Dresnia | gimme a NA login nao |
| 16:32.43 | Dresnia | I need to show these guys ! |
| 16:33.21 | Brainshack | im gonna play photon cycles now |
| 16:33.22 | Brainshack | first time |
| 16:34.26 | Brainshack | mexa uploaded it on eu? |
| 16:36.29 | Dresnia | yea |
| 16:37.25 | Brainshack | lol lag dead |
| 16:37.29 | Inazuma_ | what's the "linked objects tree"? |
| 16:41.47 | Inazuma_ | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1094036/inazuma_customUnitProblem.PNG |
| 16:42.11 | *** join/#sc2mapster _newbie_ (kvirc@75.108.239.227) |
| 16:43.09 | Vail | hello to the mighty mighty mapsters |
| 16:44.54 | Brainshack | i sucks at photon cycles |
| 16:45.49 | Dresnia | i sucks at anything I can get in my mouth |
| 16:45.52 | Dresnia | WANNA HOOK UP ? |
| 16:46.19 | Dustin | lol |
| 16:46.29 | Dresnia | Dustin replies.. |
| 16:46.34 | Dresnia | Aint that the brand of a vacume cleaner ? |
| 16:46.40 | Dresnia | Ah no, it's Dyson |
| 16:46.41 | Dresnia | fuck. |
| 16:46.45 | Dustin | lol wtf |
| 16:47.31 | Dresnia | btw if any of you need some music for your custom map |
| 16:47.32 | Dresnia | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CK2hx377iU |
| 16:47.37 | Dresnia | that's a legend. |
| 16:55.08 | Inazuma_ | We can use copyrightted music? |
| 16:56.00 | Dresnia | no but no one will play your crap maps either |
| 16:56.03 | Dresnia | so its meh |
| 16:56.19 | Dresnia | unless you make nexus wars or pokemon poker stars |
| 16:56.21 | Dresnia | :p |
| 16:57.31 | Nash|327 | D_D |
| 16:57.43 | Nash|327 | Dresnia smells |
| 16:58.15 | Vail | lets see if i can get my infest terran structureability working |
| 17:00.30 | *** join/#sc2mapster Durrean1 (~DurRean@dyndsl-091-096-145-055.ewe-ip-backbone.de) |
| 17:01.04 | Mephs | you can use copyright music |
| 17:01.14 | Mephs | hell i've gotten away with it so far :P |
| 17:02.31 | *** join/#sc2mapster Mexa_ (~Mexa@d83-183-150-217.cust.tele2.se) |
| 17:08.21 | *** join/#sc2mapster Deaod (~deaod@deaod.de) |
| 17:09.20 | Brainshack | uh final fantasy 7.... |
| 17:09.23 | Brainshack | <3 |
| 17:11.02 | A1win | Inazuma_, are you sure you have refreshed the unit list after adding the unit? |
| 17:11.06 | A1win | it doesn't refresh automatically |
| 17:12.41 | *** join/#sc2mapster burne- (d9186da5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.24.109.165) |
| 17:13.45 | Motive | Page 4 |
| 17:13.47 | Motive | Photon Cycles. |
| 17:13.48 | Motive | Defeat the Sreg. |
| 17:13.51 | burne- | yo |
| 17:13.52 | Motive | All able bodies are needed. |
| 17:13.52 | burne- | dresnia |
| 17:13.55 | Motive | NA Only. |
| 17:14.03 | burne- | wana get a boner? |
| 17:16.06 | *** join/#sc2mapster Deaod (~deaod@deaod.de) |
| 17:17.19 | Motive | Wtf, burne-. |
| 17:17.19 | Motive | Wtf. |
| 17:18.37 | burne- | umm... |
| 17:18.39 | burne- | 'nvm |
| 17:18.40 | burne- | :D |
| 17:18.51 | burne- | cause I will only share it with dresnia! |
| 17:24.40 | Nash|327 | Good. |
| 17:24.51 | Nash|327 | Keep your cybering to PMs |
| 17:25.59 | burne- | I will not |
| 17:26.06 | burne- | I will rape your minds |
| 17:27.28 | burne- | whats going on eu mapnight? |
| 17:27.32 | burne- | Nash|327: you playing? |
| 17:29.08 | Mexa_ | Hello |
| 17:29.46 | burne- | I got a girl coming over tomorrow |
| 17:29.50 | burne- | give me some good tips |
| 17:29.56 | Motive | dont rape her |
| 17:30.08 | burne- | you sure? :/ |
| 17:30.20 | Brainshack | dont pull your wiener out to soon |
| 17:30.47 | A1win | don't ask tips on a channel full of nerds |
| 17:30.50 | A1win | *ask for |
| 17:31.09 | burne- | no i trust these guys |
| 17:31.16 | burne- | you judas, have some faith |
| 17:33.53 | Mexa_ | You need to suck her blooood... aah, aah, aah, aah |
| 17:34.20 | Nash|327 | D_D |
| 17:34.36 | burne- | im writing this down...i suppose it might work |
| 17:34.50 | Nash|327 | pretend it's not a girl |
| 17:34.58 | *** join/#sc2mapster Keyeszx (4c5f80de@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.95.128.222) |
| 17:35.03 | Nash|327 | treat people the same regardless of their gender |
| 17:35.09 | Nash|327 | consistency is always best |
| 17:35.30 | burne- | pretend its not a girl that sounds so gay :D |
| 17:35.35 | Mexa_ | pâ¾p |
| 17:35.55 | Dresnia | =-D |
| 17:36.10 | burne- | you awaken dresnia! |
| 17:36.23 | Dresnia | I been awake since 5.30am |
| 17:36.25 | Dresnia | :/ |
| 17:36.45 | burne- | right right |
| 17:36.48 | burne- | I made video of my mapping |
| 17:36.49 | burne- | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sm35T2s259g |
| 17:36.53 | burne- | finally got it uploaded |
| 17:36.55 | Mexa_ | É¥ÇɹdÉpÇɹdÉ |
| 17:36.58 | burne- | dunno if anyone watches it |
| 17:37.02 | Mexa_ | hm |
| 17:37.10 | burne- | I think I could cut some parts out and make it a bit more interesting |
| 17:38.21 | burne- | If I was english I could open conversation with....me:I loves those bees...she: what bees...me: boobies (THANK YOU RWJ) |
| 17:39.22 | Dresnia | haha burne- |
| 17:39.28 | Dresnia | you and your wierd movies :P |
| 17:39.38 | burne- | indeed |
| 17:39.47 | Dresnia | you show off some cool shit |
| 17:39.52 | Dresnia | yet you never deliver anything |
| 17:39.53 | Dresnia | :( |
| 17:40.01 | burne- | deliver? as in release map? |
| 17:40.05 | Dresnia | yeah |
| 17:40.10 | Dresnia | you work on 50 things |
| 17:40.14 | Dresnia | but none is finished |
| 17:40.14 | Dresnia | =( |
| 17:40.19 | burne- | well some of those things are released |
| 17:40.42 | burne- | but umm, if it isnt fun enough Ill just move on |
| 17:40.48 | Dresnia | :) |
| 17:40.59 | Dresnia | and whats up with your music choices !!!! |
| 17:41.01 | Dresnia | RAAAAGE |
| 17:41.10 | Dresnia | I'm casting on sc2streamster 'soon' btw :O |
| 17:41.19 | Dresnia | Should I buy a webcam you guys think ? :/ |
| 17:41.20 | burne- | Im not really satisfied with "mediocre maps" |
| 17:41.25 | Mephs | unless you're hot no |
| 17:41.27 | Mephs | and have tits |
| 17:41.29 | burne- | haha |
| 17:41.33 | Dresnia | Mephs I got tits |
| 17:41.37 | Dresnia | does that make me manly hot ? |
| 17:41.38 | Mephs | not the kind of tits i want to see. |
| 17:41.41 | burne- | man boobs!!! |
| 17:41.46 | Dresnia | my bitch got Fcup tits |
| 17:41.50 | Dresnia | I could get those in |
| 17:41.50 | Mephs | well |
| 17:41.53 | Mephs | if you put her on cam |
| 17:41.56 | Mephs | the whole time then sure |
| 17:42.03 | Dresnia | like jumping up&down |
| 17:42.12 | Dresnia | stream would go from 15vieuwers to over 9000 in 1hour |
| 17:42.13 | burne- | darn my mic really doesnt work |
| 17:42.13 | Dresnia | haha |
| 17:42.18 | burne- | I made that vbideo for mapcraft |
| 17:42.20 | burne- | but meh... |
| 17:42.23 | burne- | I need a fucking mic |
| 17:42.31 | Dresnia | get one then |
| 17:42.34 | Dresnia | lazy boy |
| 17:42.38 | burne- | and poor |
| 17:42.45 | Dresnia | poor >< |
| 17:42.46 | burne- | well its like 20e |
| 17:42.49 | Dresnia | yea.. |
| 17:42.51 | burne- | I can affoard that atleast |
| 17:42.53 | Mexa_ | Dinnertime |
| 17:42.57 | Dresnia | enjoy mex |
| 17:43.02 | Dresnia | Mephs hows the new P going |
| 17:43.04 | Mexa_ | phanz |
| 17:43.05 | Dresnia | found a guy yet ? |
| 17:43.16 | Dresnia | I still don't see you beeing able to work together with someone else tbh |
| 17:43.49 | Nash|327 | It's good to have a terrain slave. |
| 17:44.12 | Dresnia | shut up and back to your data man |
| 17:44.14 | burne- | dresnia |
| 17:44.17 | burne- | wana show that map now? |
| 17:44.17 | Dresnia | burne |
| 17:44.18 | Nash|327 | D:~~ |
| 17:44.23 | Dresnia | show what |
| 17:44.23 | burne- | -_- |
| 17:44.27 | burne- | :E |
| 17:44.29 | burne- | your map |
| 17:44.30 | Dresnia | our hero thingy ? |
| 17:44.35 | Dresnia | it's not mine |
| 17:44.36 | burne- | yes or whatever |
| 17:44.37 | Dresnia | its ours |
| 17:44.41 | burne- | how do I know what it is |
| 17:44.42 | Dresnia | or well its nash it seems |
| 17:44.44 | Dresnia | and i'm just a slave |
| 17:44.45 | *** join/#sc2mapster Ashamed (20616e40@gateway/web/freenode/ip.32.97.110.64) |
| 17:44.48 | burne- | haha |
| 17:44.48 | Nash|327 | heh |
| 17:44.50 | Dresnia | it's a hero survival |
| 17:45.01 | burne- | well I could take a look now |
| 17:45.04 | burne- | if you wana show it |
| 17:45.09 | Dresnia | the only thing we could show currently is very early data stuff |
| 17:45.13 | Dresnia | no terrain or so |
| 17:45.13 | Nash|327 | I don't think you can start it Dresnia :G |
| 17:45.17 | burne- | if its not playable the least, then its fine not to show |
| 17:45.21 | burne- | kk |
| 17:45.31 | *** join/#sc2mapster Bibendus (~Bibendus@ip-80-67-114-201.static.adsl.cheapnet.it) |
| 17:45.32 | Dresnia | it's playable for sure |
| 17:45.33 | Nash|327 | Only I can since it's private |
| 17:45.37 | Bibendus | mmmmmmmm |
| 17:45.38 | Dresnia | just not fun/balanced yet |
| 17:45.45 | Dresnia | well I also have the files in dropbox I guess |
| 17:45.46 | Bibendus | do you think guys |
| 17:45.48 | Dresnia | but I cba :p |
| 17:45.48 | Inazuma_ | A1win, how does one refresh the list? Also, I created a new map and tried to make a new unit there, and it worked fine. So something's simply bugged on the map I was working on. |
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| 17:45.50 | Bibendus | that tonz of stacking behaviors |
| 17:45.53 | Bibendus | can make the game lag? |
| 17:46.03 | A1win | oh |
| 17:46.04 | Dresnia | define tonz I guess |
| 17:46.11 | Bibendus | like 16 units |
| 17:46.15 | Bibendus | with 1k stacking behavior |
| 17:46.16 | Bibendus | each |
| 17:46.24 | burne- | lol |
| 17:46.28 | Dresnia | sounds alot of shit for nothing ? |
| 17:46.28 | A1win | well you refresh it by changing the view on it in some way, like writing a search keyword or using the dropdowns |
| 17:46.28 | burne- | seems a bit extreme |
| 17:46.39 | Inazuma_ | Yeh I did that |
| 17:46.40 | Dresnia | I don't know what a behaviour is about though |
| 17:46.47 | Bibendus | i m using |
| 17:46.50 | Bibendus | behaviors |
| 17:46.52 | burne- | it should cause lagg |
| 17:46.56 | Nash|327 | Imma publish the newest version |
| 17:46.58 | burne- | since it has periodic stuff and that?! |
| 17:47.00 | Nash|327 | with SPECTAR |
| 17:47.05 | Dresnia | IMMA BURN MY LAZAAAAA |
| 17:47.08 | Dresnia | ok EU fags |
| 17:47.09 | burne- | so I think its natural if you stack it that many times |
| 17:47.11 | burne- | it might lagg |
| 17:47.12 | Dresnia | get ready for testings |
| 17:47.14 | Bibendus | to count the stacking amount of gold piles |
| 17:47.19 | Dresnia | Nash tweaked anything on game itself ? |
| 17:47.35 | Bibendus | and i noticed that these 16 units |
| 17:47.41 | Bibendus | slow down the game for 20fps |
| 17:47.43 | burne- | just do it with triggers?! |
| 17:47.49 | Bibendus | yes |
| 17:47.51 | Nash|327 | well the wave count and that later waves have SHITLOADS more units :G |
| 17:47.54 | Bibendus | but i was doing it with behaviors |
| 17:47.56 | burne- | like add it to custom value or variable or whatever |
| 17:47.58 | Bibendus | to show the amount on tooltips |
| 17:48.06 | Bibendus | but btw |
| 17:48.07 | Dresnia | = - D |
| 17:48.09 | Bibendus | i noticed the problem now |
| 17:48.10 | Bibendus | .. |
| 17:48.14 | Bibendus | and it can be a cause of hive keeper lag |
| 17:48.37 | Nash|327 | test now? |
| 17:48.40 | Nash|327 | or? |
| 17:48.43 | Dresnia | burne- : lets test ? |
| 17:48.43 | Bibendus | and btw |
| 17:48.46 | Dresnia | sure I'm up for it |
| 17:48.49 | Bibendus | why should stacking behaviors |
| 17:48.50 | burne- | k |
| 17:49.02 | Bibendus | count as single behaviors |
| 17:49.16 | Bibendus | don't count |
| 17:49.17 | Dresnia | EURO UNITE |
| 17:49.20 | Dresnia | get on sc2mapster |
| 17:49.21 | Dresnia | on bne |
| 17:49.22 | Dresnia | t |
| 17:49.24 | Dresnia | NOWZ |
| 17:49.38 | Dresnia | yes this is your god speaking |
| 17:51.50 | Bibendus | yess |
| 17:51.52 | Bibendus | FUCKING YESS |
| 17:52.04 | Bibendus | omg this game is stupid :| |
| 17:52.51 | Bibendus | I confirm |
| 17:53.02 | Bibendus | that each behavior stack is considered a standalone behavior |
| 17:53.25 | *** join/#sc2mapster flyingspatula (187c7a4a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.124.122.74) |
| 17:53.37 | flyingspatula | sup |
| 17:55.06 | flyingspatula | ;0 |
| 17:55.31 | Ashamed | Its friday! |
| 17:55.45 | flyingspatula | oh baby |
| 17:55.55 | flyingspatula | time to play the song.. o wait it got deleted off UTUBE! |
| 17:56.32 | flyingspatula | every1 in here mustbe busy makin maps so there not chatting ;0 |
| 17:57.02 | A1win | if only we were |
| 17:57.07 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 17:57.21 | flyingspatula | i know 0 ppl who like to make maps |
| 17:58.15 | flyingspatula | u into map editor a1win? |
| 17:58.20 | flyingspatula | makin shit* |
| 17:58.38 | A1win | nah I'm just here to laugh at everyone who is |
| 17:58.53 | flyingspatula | ;0 |
| 17:58.55 | flyingspatula | fair enuff' |
| 17:58.59 | flyingspatula | sarcasm or not lol |
| 17:58.59 | A1win | anyway I haven't mapped for a while :P |
| 17:59.03 | A1win | or well I did.. but not much |
| 17:59.17 | A1win | and some more about a year ago or so |
| 17:59.18 | flyingspatula | its kinda hard to stay workin on somethin for sc2 |
| 17:59.21 | A1win | or half... |
| 17:59.24 | flyingspatula | yeah |
| 17:59.29 | flyingspatula | i made wc3 maps but havent made any sc2 maps |
| 17:59.34 | flyingspatula | just random stuff when im bored |
| 17:59.34 | A1win | didn't really get anything finished |
| 17:59.41 | flyingspatula | same |
| 17:59.49 | flyingspatula | i made a FPS for wc3 that was about it |
| 18:00.04 | A1win | an idea that starts interesting gets bored quickly since I need to test it so much while creating it :P |
| 18:00.13 | flyingspatula | haha i know what u mean |
| 18:00.25 | flyingspatula | i always create shit that isnt RTS |
| 18:00.30 | flyingspatula | so it stays interesting to me |
| 18:00.41 | A1win | but I guess that's a good sign for not wasting time, since if it can't keep interesting while it's being made, it probably won't end up being very interesting |
| 18:00.53 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 18:01.05 | flyingspatula | i think it all depends how u make the map |
| 18:01.20 | flyingspatula | if u get bored of working on it |
| 18:01.27 | A1win | mmm |
| 18:01.40 | flyingspatula | i just started this week on a map and im still getting used to editor |
| 18:02.01 | flyingspatula | Libs lag so bad on editor in trigger editor |
| 18:02.08 | *** join/#sc2mapster mapman_ (4c4059eb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.64.89.235) |
| 18:02.09 | mapman_ | hey guys |
| 18:02.12 | flyingspatula | hi |
| 18:02.31 | flyingspatula | im working on a third person hide n seek / tag kinda zombie map |
| 18:02.45 | Dresnia | MAPMAN |
| 18:02.48 | Dresnia | DUDE SERIOUSLY |
| 18:02.52 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 18:02.56 | mapman_ | how do I make each number of a unit group array reffer to players in a player group equal the to number of that array |
| 18:03.05 | mapman_ | WAHT DUDE? |
| 18:03.12 | Dresnia | THE ROOF IS IN FIRE |
| 18:03.17 | mapman_ | WTF!? |
| 18:03.23 | flyingspatula | ahhh |
| 18:03.24 | A1win | player groups start at 1, arrays at 0... so subtract 1 from the player group index ;p |
| 18:03.54 | A1win | or waste the first index of the array and make it big enough that the indexes match :P |
| 18:03.57 | A1win | the lazy way |
| 18:03.59 | mapman_ | array is one to 5 |
| 18:04.21 | mapman_ | and i want 1 to reffer to something, 2 to reffer to something else |
| 18:04.25 | mapman_ | see what i mean? |
| 18:04.34 | flyingspatula | dont arrays in sc2 still start at 0? |
| 18:04.39 | A1win | there's a function called "Player from player group" which returns the player of given index |
| 18:04.43 | mapman_ | oh rly |
| 18:04.59 | Bibendus | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/map-development/22698-behavior-high-stacking-makes-the-game-lag/ |
| 18:05.06 | A1win | and yeah arrays start at 0 |
| 18:05.12 | mapman_ | well crap |
| 18:05.18 | A1win | so an array of size 5 is an array from 0 to 5, which means it has 6 indexes |
| 18:05.19 | mapman_ | i always thought it started at 1 |
| 18:05.24 | mapman_ | and it always worked, |
| 18:05.29 | A1win | well it does work |
| 18:05.33 | mapman_ | i just made a useless array every time |
| 18:05.34 | A1win | the first index just gets not used |
| 18:05.35 | mapman_ | hehe |
| 18:05.41 | A1win | and wastes memory |
| 18:05.44 | flyingspatula | i dont even understand behaviors and data editor shit much yet... i got everythign else down |
| 18:05.46 | mapman_ | and i think ill keep doing it |
| 18:05.49 | mapman_ | cuz its less confusing |
| 18:06.05 | A1win | yeah I usuall do that with player arrays |
| 18:06.21 | flyingspatula | i dunno if player 0 is player 1 tho |
| 18:06.29 | flyingspatula | if u use it |
| 18:06.29 | flyingspatula | never tried |
| 18:06.34 | A1win | player 0 is player 0 |
| 18:06.38 | A1win | which is the neutral player |
| 18:06.42 | flyingspatula | well if u use array 0 |
| 18:06.43 | flyingspatula | oh makes sense |
| 18:06.45 | A1win | User players start at 1 |
| 18:06.52 | A1win | 1 to 14 |
| 18:06.59 | A1win | by default |
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| 18:07.19 | A1win | but |
| 18:07.20 | flyingspatula | bib whywould u have 2000 behaviors jeez |
| 18:07.31 | A1win | the "Player from player group" is a list that starts at index 1, not 0 |
| 18:07.48 | A1win | err, player groups are lists that is |
| 18:07.51 | A1win | not the function :p |
| 18:08.13 | mapman_ | whats the function that increments by 1 |
| 18:08.15 | mapman_ | every time |
| 18:08.42 | mapman_ | alwin idk what you mean |
| 18:08.46 | A1win | I've been playing minecraft with some mods that give a lot more things to do (IndustrialCraft and BuildCraft), makes me want to make a map where players transport things from place to place and build devices that help them transport things better :P |
| 18:08.48 | mapman_ | you sure you understand my question? |
| 18:08.57 | Bibendus | fly |
| 18:08.59 | Bibendus | its the same behavior |
| 18:09.01 | Bibendus | with stacking amount |
| 18:09.03 | A1win | mapman_, what are you trying to do |
| 18:09.07 | Bibendus | it's a counter |
| 18:09.11 | flyingspatula | oh |
| 18:09.27 | A1win | "for each player in player group" ? |
| 18:09.35 | mapman_ | making a unit group array of 5 |
| 18:09.56 | A1win | and how do you use it? |
| 18:10.06 | mapman_ | and i want 1 to reffer player 1 from player group x, 2 to reffer to reffer to pplayer 2 from player group x |
| 18:10.10 | flyingspatula | i honestly really havent messed with that type of shit... i just write functions n w/e. i havent really figured out how ot make those complex abilities etc yet |
| 18:10.21 | Bibendus | i could have used custom vars |
| 18:10.22 | Bibendus | but |
| 18:10.35 | Bibendus | i wanted to show the amount of stacking behaviors in the tooltip |
| 18:10.40 | flyingspatula | ah |
| 18:10.41 | A1win | unitgrouparray[player 1 from player group x] and so on? |
| 18:11.03 | flyingspatula | what kinda map is it bib |
| 18:11.04 | Bibendus | and i think i cant do it with custom vars |
| 18:11.07 | Bibendus | hive keeper |
| 18:11.12 | flyingspatula | ah |
| 18:11.29 | mapman_ | sorry |
| 18:11.34 | mapman_ | i meant |
| 18:11.46 | mapman_ | 1 reffers to units owned by player 1 from player groupx on the entire map |
| 18:11.51 | mapman_ | 2.. |
| 18:11.52 | mapman_ | 3.. |
| 18:11.53 | mapman_ | etc |
| 18:12.11 | Bibendus | btw its a good discovery |
| 18:12.11 | flyingspatula | its ironic i bought sc2 because i am only interested in making non rts style maps lol |
| 18:12.13 | A1win | why do you need an array for that? |
| 18:12.15 | Bibendus | and a stupid thing |
| 18:12.15 | Bibendus | xD |
| 18:12.21 | A1win | there's already a function that returns units owned by a player |
| 18:12.24 | Bibendus | same for me |
| 18:12.27 | Bibendus | i never play melee games |
| 18:12.29 | flyingspatula | yeah thats weird a behavior would cause that much processing |
| 18:12.32 | Bibendus | oh sry |
| 18:12.33 | mapman_ | yes |
| 18:12.34 | mapman_ | but |
| 18:12.36 | Bibendus | i never play custom games either |
| 18:12.37 | Bibendus | xD |
| 18:12.38 | mapman_ | i need it to be in an array |
| 18:12.39 | Bibendus | i just make maps |
| 18:12.41 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 18:12.42 | flyingspatula | same |
| 18:12.44 | mapman_ | of unit groups |
| 18:12.47 | mapman_ | damimt |
| 18:12.49 | flyingspatula | well i played one game called Doodad Hunt it wa shilarious |
| 18:12.59 | Bibendus | tel to bounty |
| 18:13.00 | Bibendus | :P |
| 18:13.05 | Bibendus | oh he's not here |
| 18:13.07 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 18:13.11 | A1win | for each player in player group x: array_name_here[picked player] = units owned by player (picked player) in entire map |
| 18:13.15 | Bibendus | he will come later i suppose :D |
| 18:13.20 | flyingspatula | i was actually working on my own Prop Hunt map |
| 18:13.21 | A1win | I mean |
| 18:13.26 | flyingspatula | then i saw his and i was like aw damn someone beat me to it |
| 18:13.26 | A1win | *pick each player in player groupx : ... |
| 18:13.32 | Bibendus | xD |
| 18:13.36 | flyingspatula | i would have done it alot different than him but still |
| 18:13.47 | flyingspatula | ill work on another wasd mouse tps map |
| 18:13.58 | flyingspatula | a hide n seek/ chase map |
| 18:14.21 | Dresnia | omg Nash|327 |
| 18:14.24 | Dresnia | I found your wife |
| 18:14.26 | Dresnia | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifA1AQe_NF0 |
| 18:14.28 | Dresnia | seriously |
| 18:14.31 | Dresnia | look at those tits |
| 18:14.33 | Dresnia | + kittun ears |
| 18:14.35 | mapman_ | you can do that in a variable? |
| 18:14.36 | Dresnia | SO YOUR TASTE |
| 18:15.30 | flyingspatula | yea i jus stared at her tits the hwole video |
| 18:15.32 | Dresnia | seriously Mephs |
| 18:15.34 | Dresnia | check http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifA1AQe_NF0 |
| 18:15.46 | Dresnia | I've seen my share of terrabytes on tits |
| 18:15.52 | Jum-Jum | 2 million views |
| 18:15.53 | Dresnia | but these are amazing |
| 18:15.55 | Jum-Jum | and only because of her boobs |
| 18:16.01 | Jum-Jum | youtube users *facepalm* |
| 18:16.09 | Dresnia | well she does express the emoticons decently |
| 18:16.16 | Nash|327 | ew humans with kittun eats |
| 18:16.20 | Nash|327 | abomination |
| 18:16.21 | Dresnia | but yeah all her video's are like close-up on tits |
| 18:16.27 | Nash|327 | DESTROY IT |
| 18:16.32 | flyingspatula | did any of u play wc3 alot or make shit? |
| 18:16.34 | Dresnia | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7rB6sxrQc0&feature=relmfu |
| 18:16.36 | Dresnia | HAHAHAHA |
| 18:16.37 | Nash|327 | D: |
| 18:16.52 | Nash|327 | kittun ears belong on kittuns |
| 18:17.40 | A1win | can a unit have more than 1 resource in it or just one? |
| 18:17.42 | Dresnia | I LIKE THE PART WHERE IT GOES LIKE AWRWAIDJIASDJIASDJWAIJDFWAIDJWAIDJWIDJ |
| 18:17.50 | A1win | like could there be a mineral field that has minerals and gas |
| 18:18.01 | flyingspatula | fuuuuck her tits r so huge |
| 18:18.29 | Dresnia | yeah |
| 18:18.37 | Dresnia | one of the biggest naturals I've seen |
| 18:18.50 | flyingspatula | those r too perfectly round to be natural |
| 18:19.12 | Jum-Jum | looks disgusting |
| 18:19.18 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 18:19.33 | Dresnia | http://images.4chan.org/b/src/1308334751017.jpg |
| 18:19.35 | Dresnia | boooobs |
| 18:19.42 | Nash|327 | NO MORE BOOBS |
| 18:19.44 | Dresnia | they are natural |
| 18:19.48 | Dresnia | the video ones |
| 18:19.48 | Nash|327 | KITS OR GTFO |
| 18:20.26 | flyingspatula | Got a question... what is a prefered way of movement for a third person chase kinda map? Typical wasd and mouse turns you in the direction automoatically, or something more like World of Warcraft so u can see all around u easier since its a hide/chase map? |
| 18:21.36 | Dresnia | The best third person would be another enginge |
| 18:21.41 | Dresnia | Why doesn't anyone realise this |
| 18:21.55 | flyingspatula | what u mean |
| 18:22.00 | Ashamed | yeah fly if you want to make one.. i would just use camera yaw since it does not have abad delay |
| 18:22.14 | Dresnia | nvm I readed it totally wrong |
| 18:22.18 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 18:22.22 | flyingspatula | i meant like |
| 18:22.25 | Dresnia | I'd just go for normal vieuw ?? |
| 18:22.36 | Dresnia | the more you go 'away' from standard, the more lag you create |
| 18:22.41 | flyingspatula | hm |
| 18:22.51 | Dresnia | You could go a bit down/out or so ofc |
| 18:22.51 | Ashamed | dresnia its not neccarly true |
| 18:22.54 | Ashamed | if you do it right >< |
| 18:23.01 | flyingspatula | well it was either yaw rotates ur direection always or it could be controllable like in wow |
| 18:23.10 | Dresnia | Well I disagree untill anyone makes a FPS on SC2 on BNET without lag |
| 18:23.17 | Ashamed | my map hardly has a delay. but input makes you lag |
| 18:23.19 | Dresnia | the ms delay is just bleh |
| 18:23.21 | Ashamed | thats what you need to stay away from |
| 18:23.37 | Ashamed | so any wasd |
| 18:23.38 | flyingspatula | well the delay for a FPS/TPS isnt even that bad if its not a shooting map |
| 18:23.39 | Ashamed | or anything like that |
| 18:23.40 | Ashamed | dont do |
| 18:23.46 | Ashamed | yes it is flying |
| 18:23.47 | flyingspatula | if its just ppl running around chasing each other its totally fine |
| 18:23.48 | Ashamed | its about 1-2 seconds |
| 18:23.52 | Ashamed | No its not |
| 18:24.03 | Ashamed | one input with 1 player on a muitiplayer map |
| 18:24.05 | Ashamed | is about 1-2 seconds |
| 18:24.07 | Ashamed | before the button works |
| 18:24.16 | flyingspatula | i dont remember it being THAT bad |
| 18:24.18 | Ashamed | it is |
| 18:24.25 | Ashamed | all the test you have seen have been on local machine |
| 18:24.31 | Ashamed | go test out a map on battlenet all alone |
| 18:24.36 | Ashamed | you will see :) |
| 18:24.39 | flyingspatula | i mean i have been testing onlin |
| 18:24.46 | Ashamed | on battlenet? |
| 18:24.48 | flyingspatula | theres delay but its more camera lag than anything |
| 18:24.54 | Ashamed | no -.- |
| 18:25.00 | Ashamed | its horrid |
| 18:25.18 | Ashamed | no one will ever play a map that takes forever to reconize anything |
| 18:25.27 | flyingspatula | sigh |
| 18:25.33 | Ashamed | but like i said |
| 18:25.36 | flyingspatula | doodad hunt wasnt that bad |
| 18:25.36 | Ashamed | use camera yaw |
| 18:25.59 | Ashamed | i have a system that just checks camera yaw and moves them according to that |
| 18:26.06 | flyingspatula | well if the delay is as bad as u say then i guess theres no point |
| 18:26.17 | Ashamed | it doesn't |
| 18:26.20 | flyingspatula | yeah thats what mine is based off too |
| 18:26.26 | Ashamed | camera yaw is updated 16 times a second for every player |
| 18:26.33 | Ashamed | the delay wont change |
| 18:26.35 | Ashamed | with more players |
| 18:26.37 | Ashamed | or less |
| 18:26.45 | Ashamed | its always 16 times a second |
| 18:26.49 | Ashamed | i think thats the number |
| 18:26.50 | flyingspatula | so |
| 18:26.57 | flyingspatula | if i run around on bnet by myself |
| 18:27.04 | flyingspatula | that delay will be same nomatter if more players |
| 18:27.07 | Ashamed | it will be the same delay as others |
| 18:27.16 | Ashamed | it should be i believe >< |
| 18:27.20 | flyingspatula | hm |
| 18:27.27 | Ashamed | but if you do a system like that |
| 18:27.27 | flyingspatula | well the delay isnt that bad then i mean |
| 18:27.32 | flyingspatula | its there |
| 18:27.33 | Ashamed | you want to try to take input out of most of it |
| 18:27.44 | Ashamed | like all i have for my system is it reconizes when you click a mouse button down |
| 18:27.45 | flyingspatula | hm |
| 18:27.55 | Ashamed | one rotates the camera and one moves you twords camera yaw |
| 18:28.15 | Ashamed | it lags a second with the rotate,movement but once you are holding it and already pressed it |
| 18:28.20 | Ashamed | its already fired so then its good |
| 18:28.41 | Ashamed | yeah its kinda like a slow camera delay |
| 18:28.45 | Ashamed | but its not bad at all |
| 18:28.59 | Ashamed | its playable... like most players i dont think will even notice it |
| 18:28.59 | flyingspatula | sigh |
| 18:29.04 | Ashamed | it will be more map makers that point it out i bet |
| 18:29.45 | flyingspatula | hm |
| 18:30.02 | Dresnia | Ashamed |
| 18:30.02 | Dresnia | create a proof of concept. |
| 18:30.03 | flyingspatula | think im gonna go see what the delay is on my current map |
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| 18:30.09 | Ashamed | what do you mean dresnia? |
| 18:30.10 | Dresnia | don't take me wrong, it would open alot of options for other creators |
| 18:30.12 | Ashamed | it has already been created |
| 18:30.15 | Ashamed | its called jades map |
| 18:30.18 | Ashamed | ever play it? |
| 18:30.21 | Dresnia | nah |
| 18:30.26 | Ashamed | the tron one? |
| 18:30.29 | Dresnia | nope |
| 18:30.33 | Ashamed | oh well play it |
| 18:30.33 | Dresnia | I don't play alot |
| 18:30.43 | Ashamed | you will hardley notice it |
| 18:30.47 | Dresnia | I played a fair bit of FPS's |
| 18:30.47 | Ashamed | and it goes up to like 10 playrs i think |
| 18:30.51 | Dresnia | well I do |
| 18:30.58 | Dresnia | VERY low graphics card |
| 18:31.06 | Dresnia | but I cba too buy a new one untill D3 is up |
| 18:31.39 | Ashamed | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/project-workplace/20788-photon-cycles-a-luminous-lightbikes-map/ |
| 18:31.41 | Ashamed | watch the video in that thread |
| 18:31.44 | Ashamed | you wont see any lag |
| 18:32.05 | Ashamed | i mean there is a second |
| 18:32.09 | Dresnia | Yes, I even played Photon Cycles. |
| 18:32.10 | Ashamed | but its not like press > move |
| 18:32.21 | Dresnia | I was talking about First Person dude. |
| 18:32.28 | Dresnia | Not top down or so. |
| 18:32.36 | Ashamed | dresnia you could use this same system |
| 18:32.39 | Ashamed | on a fps |
| 18:32.47 | Ashamed | i have a camera zoomed on a unit that is 0.01 in scale |
| 18:32.47 | A1win | Bibendus, did you just talk about having a huge stack of buffs on a unit? I'm just wondering if it's possible to have thousands in one buff stack |
| 18:32.49 | Ashamed | and it works fine |
| 18:32.56 | Bibendus | no |
| 18:32.57 | Bibendus | single buff |
| 18:33.00 | Bibendus | 2k stacking |
| 18:33.10 | Ashamed | it would be harder to do a fps though |
| 18:33.10 | A1win | that's what I meant |
| 18:33.15 | Ashamed | because it requires mouse for the shooting too |
| 18:33.19 | Ashamed | but you could figure something out |
| 18:33.24 | A1win | I mean |
| 18:33.33 | A1win | can you have thousands in the stack of a single buff? |
| 18:33.37 | A1win | is that 2k some limit or what? |
| 18:33.52 | flyingspatula | uh |
| 18:34.00 | flyingspatula | so i have my map running on bnet |
| 18:34.05 | flyingspatula | and i have 1 sec or less |
| 18:34.05 | flyingspatula | delay |
| 18:34.16 | flyingspatula | for wasd |
| 18:34.24 | Ashamed | 1 second is horrid >< |
| 18:34.32 | Ashamed | flying i already know what it looks like |
| 18:34.34 | Ashamed | i have tested it |
| 18:34.36 | Ashamed | its not playable |
| 18:34.40 | Ashamed | period >< |
| 18:34.45 | A1win | I expect my wasd to have no delay... which is why I don't make wasd maps :P |
| 18:34.45 | Ashamed | i would get so annoyed at a system like that |
| 18:35.11 | Ashamed | you have a 1 second delay with one person |
| 18:35.14 | A1win | Bibendus, D: |
| 18:35.17 | A1win | talk to me~~ |
| 18:35.18 | Ashamed | now imagine 6-8 people |
| 18:35.19 | Bibendus | what |
| 18:35.21 | Bibendus | sry |
| 18:35.22 | Bibendus | eatin |
| 18:35.22 | Bibendus | :P |
| 18:35.25 | A1win | is that 2k a limit on buff stack? |
| 18:35.31 | Bibendus | u can have how much u want |
| 18:35.35 | Bibendus | i think there is a limit but i didnt reach it |
| 18:35.37 | A1win | ah, cool |
| 18:35.40 | Bibendus | btw each stack counts as a single behavior |
| 18:35.41 | Bibendus | it seems |
| 18:36.12 | A1win | I'm wondering if I could make some kind of a transport map, where transports show the amount of resources they have as a buff stack |
| 18:36.20 | A1win | so they can have multiple resources and not just one |
| 18:36.58 | A1win | now I'm just wondering what else it could have than transporting resources, cause that's already done well in OpenTTD for example... |
| 18:37.01 | mapman_ | how do i return true if an integer is even or od |
| 18:37.21 | A1win | if integer mod 2 == 0 -> even, if 1 -> not |
| 18:37.40 | A1win | I mean "x mod 2" is 0 if x is even and 1 if it's odd |
| 18:38.33 | A1win | except that it's -1 in SC2 if x is negative and odd, so you'd have to drop the sign first |
| 18:38.43 | A1win | or.. just use "else" for odd ;p |
| 18:38.55 | Bibendus | what the hell are you saying sry? |
| 18:38.56 | Bibendus | xD |
| 18:38.57 | Godofrndmobjcts | anyone else having as much a hard time with ui's as me? :( i cant figure it out!!!! QQ lol |
| 18:39.12 | A1win | x) |
| 18:39.19 | Dresnia | Godofrndmobjcts: , UI is easy. Get a Data slave like Nash|327. |
| 18:39.23 | A1win | I'm not thinking before talking apparently |
| 18:39.45 | A1win | if (x mod 2) == 0 { // x is even } else { // x is odd } |
| 18:39.53 | Dresnia | A1win I already told you so I think ;P |
| 18:40.03 | Godofrndmobjcts | i dont have a data slave :( and im no programmar lol.. i can try to follow harl's tut all day and i cant figure it out -_- |
| 18:40.09 | A1win | told what? |
| 18:40.13 | Dresnia | nvm =( |
| 18:40.16 | A1win | D: |
| 18:40.53 | mapman_ | tks |
| 18:40.55 | mapman_ | yea |
| 18:41.13 | harl | huh? lol |
| 18:41.27 | Nash|327 | I prefer terrain slaves. |
| 18:41.49 | Dresnia | =D |
| 18:41.52 | Nash|327 | zug zug |
| 18:42.06 | Godofrndmobjcts | do you do it the same way as harl nash? its like the only way too right? |
| 18:42.36 | *** join/#sc2mapster Ashamed (20616e40@gateway/web/freenode/ip.32.97.110.64) |
| 18:43.37 | burne- | Dresnia become my slave |
| 18:43.43 | Ashamed | ahhh so guys you think i can design an entire game in 0.01-9 scale ? |
| 18:43.58 | Ashamed | i already tested an attack and everything :) and it all works |
| 18:44.08 | burne- | Dresnia: did you watch the whole video? |
| 18:44.14 | Dresnia | 50% |
| 18:44.28 | burne- | did you watch the jagged relic part? |
| 18:44.33 | burne- | i think it was most impressive |
| 18:44.36 | Dresnia | I ejaculated yes |
| 18:44.40 | burne- | ^^ |
| 18:44.40 | Dresnia | OH WRONG CONVO |
| 18:44.47 | burne- | :D |
| 18:44.51 | Dresnia | man. |
| 18:44.55 | Dresnia | Lol kidding |
| 18:45.00 | Dresnia | Erm not really I think |
| 18:45.07 | burne- | -.- |
| 18:45.15 | Dresnia | relink+timestamp+tits |
| 18:45.17 | Dresnia | GOGOGOGOG |
| 18:45.21 | Godofrndmobjcts | Nash|327: you there? |
| 18:45.30 | Dresnia | LEAVE NASH ALONE |
| 18:45.31 | burne- | well i would if I had youtube working |
| 18:45.34 | Dresnia | HE IS IN THE BASEMENTS |
| 18:45.37 | Dresnia | WRITING THE CODEZ |
| 18:45.50 | burne- | :D |
| 18:46.09 | burne- | what wrong with mah tube |
| 18:46.11 | burne- | doesnt load |
| 18:46.13 | Godofrndmobjcts | um... sorry... im just looking for some help. |
| 18:46.25 | Dresnia | burne => http://images.4chan.org/b/src/1308336344804.png |
| 18:46.29 | Dresnia | *love* |
| 18:46.37 | Nash|327 | D_D |
| 18:46.43 | Dresnia | Godofrndmobjcts : don't take me wrong |
| 18:46.46 | Dresnia | you must be new here |
| 18:46.55 | Dresnia | I'm the most annoying douchebag of this chat |
| 18:47.00 | Dresnia | But someone has to be 'that guy' |
| 18:47.02 | Dresnia | :( |
| 18:47.04 | Dresnia | I HATE LIFE |
| 18:47.34 | Motive | How the fuck is Light Cycles #1 in Up and Coming when Jademus' has Photon Cycles? :( |
| 18:47.34 | *** join/#sc2mapster slightlyrandom (~random@62.66.252.177) |
| 18:47.36 | Motive | Wtf |
| 18:47.51 | Godofrndmobjcts | its cool |
| 18:48.38 | Ashamed | i hate life too |
| 18:48.43 | Ashamed | well when i am at work that is |
| 18:48.55 | flyingspatula | ;/ well if as u say no one will play a game with key delay, i dunno wut im gonna make :( i wanna make sorta zombie map like on counterstrike but doesnt have the same feeling top down rts click to move view |
| 18:49.09 | Godofrndmobjcts | does anyone know if say... i start a ui template and move the minimap... but also want to move the command panel can i do both in the same template or do i need to make multiple or am i required to do it either way? this is assuming i can even figure it out in the first place of course. |
| 18:49.18 | Ashamed | flying you will think of something |
| 18:49.53 | flyingspatula | i hate RTS shit lol |
| 18:49.59 | flyingspatula | maybe i should jus tmod for oblivion lol |
| 18:50.07 | A1win | why are you mapping for SC2 then :P |
| 18:50.25 | flyingspatula | cuz i saw from e3 that year ud be bale to make cool non rts stuff |
| 18:50.29 | flyingspatula | but they lied |
| 18:50.30 | A1win | hehe |
| 18:50.31 | flyingspatula | bitches! |
| 18:50.52 | burne- | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sm35T2s259g |
| 18:50.53 | burne- | there |
| 18:50.54 | flyingspatula | i made a fps in wc3 and the fact it was horrible didnt stop me from making it tho |
| 18:50.55 | A1win | well the FPS and TPS stuff work pretty well in singleplayer |
| 18:50.58 | burne- | 05:09 |
| 18:50.59 | A1win | but not on bnet because of the lag |
| 18:51.02 | burne- | I added comment to help you Dresnia |
| 18:51.29 | burne- | boss fight starts later |
| 18:51.31 | flyingspatula | well |
| 18:51.44 | flyingspatula | there is no key delay if u use the command thing |
| 18:51.47 | flyingspatula | but its kinda meh |
| 18:52.00 | flyingspatula | data editor way |
| 18:52.20 | Ashamed | flying they didnt lie |
| 18:52.20 | flyingspatula | i made this in wc3 a longass time ago http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gyk1iuAREA |
| 18:52.24 | Ashamed | you just cant have key press triggers |
| 18:52.32 | Ashamed | sc2 can do alot of things |
| 18:52.33 | flyingspatula | hm |
| 18:52.39 | Ashamed | outside the realm of rts |
| 18:52.56 | flyingspatula | i know |
| 18:52.58 | Ashamed | i am currently making an rpg and so far i have had no problems.. I have even mangined to make the map 100x bigger |
| 18:53.24 | flyingspatula | meh rpg's arent really my forte lol |
| 18:54.37 | Dresnia | Ashamed |
| 18:54.41 | Dresnia | listen to my wise words |
| 18:54.54 | Dresnia | your project will never be released 100% completed |
| 18:56.12 | Ashamed | it will dresnia :) |
| 18:56.19 | Ashamed | like i said i have already tested it |
| 18:56.25 | Ashamed | with no issue |
| 18:56.48 | Ashamed | it actually lags less because i can make the farclip on the camera like 50 |
| 18:56.52 | A1win | 100x bigger map just sounds... big :P |
| 18:57.00 | Ashamed | its big :) |
| 18:57.01 | Dresnia | Yea but you talk more then you work, and the project is just too big |
| 18:57.07 | A1win | -> you'll never get it finished because it's so big ;p |
| 18:57.08 | Ashamed | nope |
| 18:57.19 | Ashamed | it will be a long time for sure lol |
| 18:57.30 | Ashamed | but that is why i have not released anything on the map yet |
| 18:57.43 | flyingspatula | i prefer making stuff that ppl kill each other lol |
| 18:57.46 | flyingspatula | p;ayers |
| 18:57.48 | flyingspatula | players |
| 18:57.50 | Ashamed | because i am not at the point yet. :) If i dont make it then i wont ever announce it |
| 18:57.59 | Ashamed | so no harm no foul |
| 18:58.06 | Ashamed | flying thats what i am doing |
| 18:58.11 | Ashamed | >< pvp will be the main point of the map |
| 18:58.29 | flyingspatula | rpg requires too much creativity and complexity for me to want to make |
| 18:58.37 | flyingspatula | id spend like 400000 hours on one thing |
| 18:58.40 | Ashamed | yeah its going to take forever for sure |
| 18:58.50 | Ashamed | but i am just saying |
| 18:58.53 | Ashamed | i didnt tell you to make an rpg |
| 18:59.02 | Ashamed | i am telling you the engine allows you to do amazing things |
| 18:59.04 | Ashamed | just not input |
| 18:59.09 | flyingspatula | :'( |
| 18:59.47 | flyingspatula | im not celver enuff to come up with something new lol |
| 18:59.48 | flyingspatula | ah well |
| 18:59.53 | flyingspatula | still fun to make random shit i guess |
| 19:01.06 | flyingspatula | a spaceship kinda map sounds kinda interesting |
| 19:01.19 | flyingspatula | eve online XD |
| 19:02.04 | Ashamed | eve online is a rpg >< |
| 19:02.12 | A1win | I need a co-op transport/construction simulation game, or a good idea how to implement one into SC2 D: |
| 19:02.13 | Ashamed | it would take a long time to dup that game lol |
| 19:02.16 | flyingspatula | i know but |
| 19:02.19 | flyingspatula | its cool lol |
| 19:02.40 | flyingspatula | for pvp only |
| 19:02.42 | flyingspatula | and it can be done in a more or less action oriented way instead of rpg |
| 19:03.20 | flyingspatula | ah wait i doubt i could even do proper ship control without some kind of input |
| 19:03.42 | flyingspatula | i tried making a dynamic orbit a while back for that and it was a pain in the ass |
| 19:04.45 | flyingspatula | started having alot of data editor issues im not familiar with |
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| 19:06.39 | flyingspatula | can u even make a ship have separate weapons that can individually attack different targets specified |
| 19:07.32 | A1win | how would you specify the targets? |
| 19:07.54 | flyingspatula | no idea would be interesting tho |
| 19:08.05 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 19:08.09 | A1win | not sure if you can order one unit to attack with specific weapons :P |
| 19:08.11 | Dresnia | D= |
| 19:08.14 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 19:08.18 | A1win | maybe if you attach multiple units to the ship somehow |
| 19:08.24 | Dresnia | It surely is doable.. |
| 19:08.26 | flyingspatula | yeah that could work |
| 19:08.27 | A1win | and order them separately ;p |
| 19:08.39 | Dresnia | Prioritise units is an option I bet |
| 19:08.47 | flyingspatula | the current super popular space battle map is kinda meh just bc its controlled like a unit not a ship |
| 19:08.51 | Ashamed | http://www.threadbombing.com/details.php?image_id=5436 |
| 19:08.54 | A1win | but if you want absolute control over the targets |
| 19:09.19 | flyingspatula | haha |
| 19:10.47 | flyingspatula | i think a space map with a ship that actually controls like a ship would be kinda neat tho |
| 19:11.15 | A1win | could be |
| 19:11.56 | flyingspatula | i hate that the most played map is that dota map |
| 19:13.17 | burne- | well im off |
| 19:13.19 | burne- | good night |
| 19:13.24 | flyingspatula | cya |
| 19:13.29 | Dresnia | cya man |
| 19:13.52 | flyingspatula | i wish i could have made this into sometthing playable for sc2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAjrCo-NuoI |
| 19:16.40 | JademusSreg | Why can't you? |
| 19:17.02 | flyingspatula | cuz i made that in wc3 to play online but sc2 online is just as bad |
| 19:17.18 | JademusSreg | The controls, you mean? |
| 19:17.21 | flyingspatula | yeah |
| 19:17.28 | flyingspatula | was hard enuff making that for wc3 |
| 19:17.29 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 19:17.51 | flyingspatula | im sure i could make it but like 2 ppl would ever play it cuz lag |
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| 19:19.23 | flyingspatula | maybe ill just make a snationary game with sniping |
| 19:19.35 | JademusSreg | Well, better to do something you enjoy. I expect it is a matter of priority. |
| 19:19.48 | flyingspatula | good point |
| 19:19.49 | G4MR | Has anyone written a script that did this http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/triggers/18735-restart-game/ been searching for an answer and I don't even know where to start. |
| 19:20.30 | JademusSreg | Molsterr: "the only way to "restart" a map, is to script it, as in, script the removal of all units, script the reset of the money, script the re-placement of the default units...ect" |
| 19:20.53 | flyingspatula | what kinda maps u made jade |
| 19:20.58 | Dresnia | Any good movie came out on dvd lately ? |
| 19:21.01 | Dresnia | past few months |
| 19:21.10 | Dresnia | a good action ish movie or whatever |
| 19:21.13 | JademusSreg | Photon Cycles is the only one I've made that is popular. |
| 19:21.23 | flyingspatula | ah cool |
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| 19:21.25 | flyingspatula | one with mouse? |
| 19:21.29 | G4MR | JademusSreg: yeah, I read that wondering has it been done before, instead of remaking the wheel |
| 19:21.29 | JademusSreg | I make tons of proof of concept maps, just whenever I get an idea. |
| 19:21.35 | JademusSreg | Yeah, mouse to turn, left click to boost. |
| 19:21.40 | flyingspatula | yeah same |
| 19:21.43 | flyingspatula | oh cool |
| 19:21.44 | flyingspatula | doesnt lag? |
| 19:21.57 | Dresnia | It works perfect. |
| 19:21.58 | JademusSreg | Nope; I don't use the mouse movement event, so it's kosher. |
| 19:22.04 | flyingspatula | ibebesiness why does ur name sound familiar |
| 19:22.10 | flyingspatula | ah cool |
| 19:22.36 | flyingspatula | just the left clicking has a slight delay? |
| 19:23.06 | flyingspatula | i need to come up with an idea that can incorporate something like that |
| 19:23.07 | JademusSreg | Yup. |
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| 19:23.26 | flyingspatula | i mean theres no delay with wasd if u use the command thing thru data editor |
| 19:23.27 | Bibendus | Otixa i found a lag cause :P |
| 19:23.56 | A1win | flyingspatula, there's always a 0.125 second delay on bnet, no matter what input type you use |
| 19:23.58 | Triceron | wasd can work without lag?? |
| 19:24.05 | A1win | no |
| 19:24.10 | Triceron | ah, so not exactly |
| 19:24.13 | Triceron | I guess only singleplay? |
| 19:24.17 | A1win | yep |
| 19:24.20 | flyingspatula | well it exactly the same as right clicking |
| 19:24.25 | flyingspatula | if u use the data editor way |
| 19:24.26 | Triceron | what if you run singleplay but through bnet? |
| 19:24.34 | A1win | flyingspatula, except that right clicking is done using the mouse |
| 19:24.37 | Triceron | will you still get any lag? |
| 19:24.49 | flyingspatula | er imeant |
| 19:24.52 | A1win | when you use mouse, you're not expecting as much responsiveness as when you're using keyboard |
| 19:24.55 | flyingspatula | like a normal rts way |
| 19:25.07 | flyingspatula | good point |
| 19:25.07 | JademusSreg | Which is still insufficient. |
| 19:25.27 | flyingspatula | damn u blizzard |
| 19:25.36 | JademusSreg | I demand less than 50ms! |
| 19:25.43 | flyingspatula | hah |
| 19:25.46 | JademusSreg | Right now trigger based input exceeds 250ms. |
| 19:26.09 | Bibendus | moar |
| 19:26.10 | Bibendus | ten 250 |
| 19:26.11 | Bibendus | then |
| 19:26.17 | Dresnia | JademusSreg : = http://forums.sc2mapster.com/general/general-chat/22693-video-i-am-back/#p1 |
| 19:26.19 | JademusSreg | And increases for each player, because of the synchronizing. |
| 19:26.21 | Dresnia | What the fuck is .. |
| 19:26.23 | Dresnia | I don't even.. |
| 19:27.17 | flyingspatula | lool |
| 19:27.43 | flyingspatula | bananas lol |
| 19:28.17 | Bibendus | oh ye |
| 19:28.55 | flyingspatula | didnt knlw u could have such high quality video |
| 19:28.56 | Bibendus | rodrigo WTF :| |
| 19:29.35 | Dresnia | LOL THE END OF THE MOVIE |
| 19:29.36 | Dresnia | hahahahaha |
| 19:29.38 | Dresnia | what the |
| 19:30.37 | flyingspatula | haha |
| 19:30.49 | flyingspatula | map of the year |
| 19:30.59 | flyingspatula | i can see a movie trend goin on |
| 19:31.01 | flyingspatula | for maps |
| 19:31.12 | flyingspatula | wonder how many minutes of pure video u could fit into a map |
| 19:32.56 | Dresnia | the video's are edited in |
| 19:33.01 | Dresnia | for his youtube troll video on mapster |
| 19:33.02 | Dresnia | >> |
| 19:33.19 | flyingspatula | oh hah |
| 19:33.30 | flyingspatula | well ive seen videos in maps b4 |
| 19:33.33 | flyingspatula | but crap quality |
| 19:33.46 | Jum-Jum | while im not really interested in the maps |
| 19:33.48 | flyingspatula | i guess that passed by my head |
| 19:33.57 | Jum-Jum | rodrigo does make the best introduciton videos |
| 19:33.58 | Jum-Jum | :D |
| 19:34.45 | Dresnia | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFA-rOls8YA |
| 19:34.47 | Dresnia | <3 |
| 19:34.53 | Dresnia | I AM ADOLF HITLARRR |
| 19:34.54 | Dresnia | haha |
| 19:35.15 | JademusSreg | Terrain looks like ass, metagame player ranking via stars is the usual suck, the map looks like a combination of catnmouse, deception, and king of the hill. |
| 19:35.23 | IbebusinessS1339 | I love that shit |
| 19:35.43 | Dresnia | I also love taking a shit. |
| 19:35.49 | JademusSreg | Which shit? |
| 19:35.50 | Dresnia | On the chest. |
| 19:35.52 | Bibendus | what the hell :O |
| 19:36.13 | Dresnia | And Jade, I agree. But it's junk like his that gets popular |
| 19:36.20 | JademusSreg | No doubt. |
| 19:37.01 | JademusSreg | I think it is a subtle insult to battlenet custom map players and another vehicle through which he can advertise debates. |
| 19:41.19 | *** join/#sc2mapster Inazuma (561e1c0b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.30.28.11) |
| 19:41.24 | Inazuma | Hello everyone! |
| 19:41.29 | Dresnia | Hey you |
| 19:42.03 | JademusSreg | Hi. |
| 19:42.10 | Inazuma | I need a bit of help :p I have a trigger than I want to start up after 30 seconds, and i want it to fire every 2 seconds. |
| 19:43.12 | Inazuma | So i made a trigger to run the looping trigger after 30 seconds. I made sure to uncheck "Initially On" on the looping trigger. |
| 19:43.27 | Inazuma | It works... except that the trigger doesnt loop every 2 seconds |
| 19:43.31 | Inazuma | it just fires the one time |
| 19:43.40 | IbebusinessS1339 | what is the event for that trigger? |
| 19:43.56 | Inazuma | Periodic Event |
| 19:44.13 | IbebusinessS1339 | how many triggers "enable/disable" this trigger? |
| 19:44.16 | IbebusinessS1339 | just one? |
| 19:44.19 | Inazuma | yes just one |
| 19:44.30 | IbebusinessS1339 | how often is THAT trigger run? |
| 19:44.32 | IbebusinessS1339 | once? |
| 19:44.34 | Inazuma | The action is Run Trigger |
| 19:44.41 | Inazuma | yes once |
| 19:44.52 | IbebusinessS1339 | and the event for that trigger? |
| 19:45.13 | IbebusinessS1339 | btw |
| 19:45.17 | IbebusinessS1339 | you dont want run trigger |
| 19:45.21 | IbebusinessS1339 | you want enable trigger |
| 19:45.31 | IbebusinessS1339 | sorry |
| 19:45.33 | IbebusinessS1339 | ignore that |
| 19:45.42 | Inazuma | alright so say... Trigger 1 - Event is Time Elapsed (30 secs). Action is Run Trigger |
| 19:45.50 | IbebusinessS1339 | action |
| 19:45.54 | IbebusinessS1339 | should be |
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| 19:45.58 | IbebusinessS1339 | enable trigger not run |
| 19:45.59 | Inazuma | Trigger's event is Periodic Event (2secs), action is to spawn a unit |
| 19:46.04 | Inazuma | oh |
| 19:46.06 | Dresnia | ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? |
| 19:46.06 | Inazuma | i see |
| 19:46.06 | Dresnia | ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? |
| 19:46.06 | Dresnia | ???????????????????????? |
| 19:46.08 | IbebusinessS1339 | if inititally on it turned off |
| 19:46.10 | Dresnia | oops |
| 19:46.15 | IbebusinessS1339 | you have to enable it in triggers |
| 19:46.52 | IbebusinessS1339 | (however you CAN run a NON-initially on trigger by using the execute action) |
| 19:47.04 | IbebusinessS1339 | which is why it ran once |
| 19:47.09 | IbebusinessS1339 | and only once |
| 19:47.24 | IbebusinessS1339 | when you manually run a trigger, you ignore the events of that trigger. |
| 19:47.27 | Inazuma | I see |
| 19:47.33 | IbebusinessS1339 | yup yup |
| 19:47.35 | Inazuma | makes snse |
| 19:47.48 | IbebusinessS1339 | dresnia?\ |
| 19:48.28 | JademusSreg | There's a way to do it using a single trigger as well. |
| 19:49.17 | JademusSreg | A trigger that fires on map init, then a 30 second Wait action, then a while true (aka repeat forever) loop with a 2 second wait at the end. |
| 19:49.18 | Dresnia | Whatsup ? |
| 19:49.30 | IbebusinessS1339 | what was all the ?'s for? |
| 19:49.38 | Dresnia | Don't bother |
| 19:49.39 | Inazuma | thats alright, Ive got this working now :) |
| 19:49.43 | Dresnia | axcidently ctrl v'd |
| 19:49.44 | Dresnia | lol |
| 19:49.55 | IbebusinessS1339 | lol |
| 19:50.07 | Inazuma | Ok my next question is what's the best method to get these spawned units to attack move to the centre of the map? |
| 19:50.17 | Dresnia | move to a region ? |
| 19:50.23 | IbebusinessS1339 | attac move? |
| 19:50.24 | JademusSreg | Issue Order Targeting Point |
| 19:50.29 | IbebusinessS1339 | :P |
| 19:50.37 | JademusSreg | You can do it for unitgroup or for unit. |
| 19:50.41 | JademusSreg | I'd suggest the former. |
| 19:50.45 | Inazuma | What event? |
| 19:50.51 | JademusSreg | It's not an event. |
| 19:50.53 | JademusSreg | =\ |
| 19:50.55 | Inazuma | I know |
| 19:51.01 | Inazuma | but what should the event be |
| 19:51.02 | A1win | after you've created the units, duh ;p |
| 19:51.07 | A1win | in the same trigger |
| 19:51.08 | Nash|327 | MEDIX :G |
| 19:51.08 | Dresnia | :/ |
| 19:51.12 | Dresnia | :IIIIIIIIIIII |
| 19:51.13 | IbebusinessS1339 | ? |
| 19:51.14 | JademusSreg | =/ |
| 19:51.14 | Inazuma | so in the same trigger as the spawn action? |
| 19:51.18 | JademusSreg | =\ |
| 19:51.21 | IbebusinessS1339 | well |
| 19:51.21 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 19:51.23 | IbebusinessS1339 | what event |
| 19:51.25 | IbebusinessS1339 | do you want |
| 19:51.26 | IbebusinessS1339 | ? |
| 19:51.29 | Dresnia | Are you a wizzard ? |
| 19:51.36 | Nash|327 | I am a wizard |
| 19:51.49 | Dresnia | Are you a good wizzard ? |
| 19:51.52 | JademusSreg | is also a wizard. |
| 19:51.57 | JademusSreg | But I'm not a wizzard. |
| 19:52.07 | A1win | rincewind is a wizzard |
| 19:52.07 | Dresnia | You are a wiZard too ? |
| 19:52.09 | JademusSreg | I don't have enough zs. |
| 19:52.17 | Dresnia | Yeah, wizard. Sweet. |
| 19:52.19 | Nash|327 | wizzzard |
| 19:53.10 | flyingspatula | ibebesiness do i know u? |
| 19:53.28 | flyingspatula | were u from thehelper |
| 19:54.00 | Dresnia | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/general/general-chat/22693-video-i-am-back/#p10 |
| 19:54.02 | Dresnia | Hahahahaaha |
| 19:54.04 | Dresnia | I win |
| 19:54.09 | JademusSreg | The Helper? Haha |
| 19:54.35 | flyingspatula | thehelper.net used to be good back for wc3 |
| 19:54.43 | JademusSreg | is one of the Wc3c elitist assholes. =D |
| 19:54.51 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 19:55.01 | flyingspatula | so u were a wc3campaigns.net or w/e |
| 19:55.02 | Inazuma | Alright so my spawning trigger is this - |
| 19:55.04 | flyingspatula | i cant even remember |
| 19:55.21 | Inazuma | Event = Every 2 seconds. Action = Create Unit |
| 19:55.48 | A1win | I'd use event, map init, and then use a Repeat Forever |
| 19:56.09 | A1win | so it doesn't spam the debug console full of events :P |
| 19:56.15 | Inazuma | Event = Every 2 seconds. Action = Create Unit? |
| 19:56.19 | JademusSreg | I already said that A1. =D |
| 19:56.24 | A1win | yeah but he didn't listen |
| 19:56.25 | A1win | :P |
| 19:56.34 | Inazuma | I know |
| 19:56.37 | JademusSreg | Yes, Ina. |
| 19:56.38 | Mexa_ | hmmm |
| 19:56.39 | JademusSreg | Do that. |
| 19:56.43 | Inazuma | but I want to just get what I want first |
| 19:56.55 | Mexa_ | So I bought a new mouse today |
| 19:57.10 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 19:57.15 | JademusSreg | Hi Mexa |
| 19:57.22 | Mexa_ | Wireless, and with only a 7mm stick pointed out from the usb |
| 19:57.29 | Mexa_ | And it's battery time is 15 months |
| 19:57.37 | Mexa_ | With... lithium batteries |
| 19:57.39 | Ibebusiness | yes |
| 19:57.47 | Ibebusiness | I am flying spatula |
| 19:57.51 | Mexa_ | Then why the hell did they rip me off and included alkaliebatteries <.<? |
| 19:57.58 | Inazuma | I have tried using an Issue Order action but, obviously the action doesnt know to issue the orders to the units that have just been spawned |
| 19:58.08 | Mexa_ | Hi Jademus |
| 19:58.19 | Ibebusiness | yea it was the best for 2c3 |
| 19:58.21 | Ibebusiness | wc3 |
| 19:58.26 | XorioZ | how do i change the arc of a missile to make it fly more like a mortar. is it the unit mover i need to play with? |
| 19:58.29 | Ibebusiness | but even I had issues getting support there |
| 19:58.33 | Ibebusiness | but I wasnt on irc |
| 19:59.16 | Mexa_ | Other than that, the mouse is excellent :D |
| 19:59.40 | JademusSreg | XOR, yes. |
| 19:59.44 | JademusSreg | Mexa, haha. |
| 19:59.53 | Mexa_ | And also |
| 19:59.59 | JademusSreg | Ina, issue to Last Created Unitgroup. |
| 20:00.04 | Mexa_ | Dreamhack summer in 12 hours :D |
| 20:00.09 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 20:00.11 | JademusSreg | ++ |
| 20:00.40 | Mexa_ | Brb! |
| 20:01.06 | Inazuma | Im guessing I have to assign the spawned units to a unitgroup somehow? |
| 20:01.28 | A1win | nope |
| 20:01.29 | Ibebusiness | FLYINGSPATULA |
| 20:01.30 | Ibebusiness | http://www.thehelper.net/forums/showthread.php/118401-Modern-Sniper-Wars?p=960348#post960348 |
| 20:01.38 | JademusSreg | In galaxy, UnitCreate returns unitgroup, so hopefully Last Created Unitgroup in GUI will get that. |
| 20:01.44 | Ibebusiness | I was working on a FPS for warcraft III |
| 20:01.45 | A1win | they are already assigned to the Last Created Unit Group |
| 20:02.49 | XorioZ | aw maan the mover is NOT simple |
| 20:03.08 | XorioZ | anyone kno what field i need to play mith in the mover to change the arc? |
| 20:03.21 | JademusSreg | Read Prozaic's tutorial on movers. |
| 20:03.36 | flyingspatula | oh yeah ibeb im xxxtrickyxxx |
| 20:03.37 | JademusSreg | It covers more than the Blizzard tutorial, I've been told. |
| 20:04.25 | XorioZ | k |
| 20:04.45 | XorioZ | prozaic again. he's my number teo tutorial god now |
| 20:04.51 | XorioZ | two |
| 20:05.06 | XorioZ | my number one is onetweo |
| 20:05.16 | XorioZ | two |
| 20:05.49 | Ibebusiness | no shit! |
| 20:06.21 | flyingspatula | . |
| 20:06.29 | Ibebusiness | dude im working on a FPS for starcraft II |
| 20:06.34 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 20:06.41 | flyingspatula | i was at one point |
| 20:07.05 | Ibebusiness | why did you stop? |
| 20:07.18 | flyingspatula | online jus too laggy |
| 20:07.30 | Ibebusiness | :P\ |
| 20:07.58 | Ibebusiness | I have a way around it, but its not normal and people will have hard time adopting it unless I can make the map just epic |
| 20:08.00 | JademusSreg | Time for Ibe to share his secret. |
| 20:08.05 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 20:08.09 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 20:08.09 | Ibebusiness | wow |
| 20:08.15 | Inazuma | Thanks everyone, I got it all working :) I now have map with waves of banelings spawning and hitting each other :p |
| 20:09.01 | flyingspatula | i wouldnt mind just making a tps without the shooting part and just a tag/hide n seek kinda game |
| 20:09.11 | Ashamed | i wish i didnt hate my job |
| 20:09.12 | JademusSreg | Bounty has done it. =D |
| 20:09.14 | flyingspatula | but ppl keep sayin itll still lag 2 much no one will even want to play it |
| 20:09.23 | flyingspatula | lol yeah he made that prop hunt |
| 20:09.24 | A1win | I wouldn't :P |
| 20:09.33 | JademusSreg | When it comes to WASD controled maps, Bounty is like the Simpsons. |
| 20:09.34 | flyingspatula | but he kinda did it not quit ehow i would ahve |
| 20:09.40 | A1win | movement lag is the most annoying with WASD |
| 20:09.58 | Ashamed | we are still talking about this >< |
| 20:10.05 | A1win | yes we are 8) |
| 20:10.09 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 20:10.10 | JademusSreg | Only when it comes up, Ash, |
| 20:10.12 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 20:10.19 | Ashamed | no i mean earlier we were talking about it |
| 20:10.25 | Ashamed | >< i already explained this all |
| 20:10.27 | Ashamed | like 2 hours ago |
| 20:10.27 | A1win | how about a nice debate on trigger editor vs data editor for a change |
| 20:10.28 | flyingspatula | mine runs as smooth as bounty's |
| 20:10.30 | JademusSreg | I was playing Photon Cycles earlier. |
| 20:10.36 | Ibebusiness | so |
| 20:10.36 | Nash|327 | Let's talk about kittuns, and how to bag them |
| 20:10.50 | Ashamed | how do you bag em nash? |
| 20:10.50 | Ibebusiness | are hotkey run WASD still to much lag? |
| 20:10.56 | Ashamed | NO |
| 20:11.05 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 20:11.10 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 20:11.12 | A1win | Ibebusiness, it's the same lag as with triggers |
| 20:11.12 | Ashamed | but its less responsive that way :( |
| 20:11.16 | Nash|327 | Well you pick them up and place them into a standing paper bag. |
| 20:11.17 | Ibebusiness | no its not |
| 20:11.28 | Ibebusiness | I can go find the link |
| 20:11.28 | A1win | then your triggers suck |
| 20:11.40 | Ashamed | nash when i try that i always get scratched :( |
| 20:11.50 | Ibebusiness | hot keys have less delay than key/mouse events |
| 20:11.51 | Nash|327 | You're not nice enough :G |
| 20:11.56 | A1win | if the trigger runs on every server tick, it won't have any lag itself... just the same network lag as abilities have |
| 20:11.57 | flyingspatula | i still think for example Doodad Hunt is a good example of a game that can have that delay and still be fun to play |
| 20:11.58 | JademusSreg | I can explain it, then I'll move on. =D |
| 20:11.59 | Ashamed | i luv my kitties |
| 20:12.04 | flyingspatula | which is same path im taking with my game |
| 20:12.13 | Ibebusiness | k |
| 20:12.14 | Ashamed | it aint fun the play |
| 20:12.22 | Ashamed | bounty and his maps >< |
| 20:12.23 | flyingspatula | i think it is |
| 20:12.24 | A1win | or at least the difference isn't notable |
| 20:12.50 | flyingspatula | his first version of doodadhunt was really fun, the rerelease is meh |
| 20:12.56 | A1win | in singleplayer, I had a trigger based WASD system and there wasn't any noticable lag |
| 20:13.22 | JademusSreg | The cause of the latency issue when dealing with input events is the overhead of synchronizing the input data for all players; this is necessary because the galaxy VM requires everything to be synchronized (compare with the Jass VM from wc3, which had asynchronous operations). |
| 20:14.02 | JademusSreg | A data based approach is only viable if it avoids trigger events for input entirely. |
| 20:14.05 | JademusSreg | -entirely- |
| 20:14.10 | A1win | make a TPS where you control the character with the mouse somewhow ;P |
| 20:14.20 | JademusSreg | Otherwise, it still has the overhead for synchronization. |
| 20:14.21 | flyingspatula | but mouse is still input |
| 20:14.30 | A1win | orly ;p |
| 20:14.33 | Triceron | diablo style |
| 20:14.37 | Vail | hmm i was working on the data only route but i couldnt get my validators right |
| 20:14.55 | flyingspatula | well |
| 20:14.58 | Ibebusiness | yes, but I have a work around for mouse |
| 20:15.00 | Ibebusiness | and jade |
| 20:15.00 | flyingspatula | theres the wasd with no input triggers lik emtnioned |
| 20:15.02 | Ashamed | flying do my system :) |
| 20:15.05 | A1win | mouse controls just feel different to keyboard |
| 20:15.13 | Ibebusiness | I dont have input triggers |
| 20:15.15 | Ashamed | it pretty much works like diablo.. it just doesn't use the mouse arrow |
| 20:15.17 | Ashamed | the camera yaw |
| 20:15.34 | flyingspatula | u mean like jades map |
| 20:15.41 | JademusSreg | Yup. |
| 20:15.41 | Ashamed | yeah |
| 20:15.43 | flyingspatula | hm |
| 20:15.46 | Ashamed | jade was the one who told me about it |
| 20:15.52 | flyingspatula | that can jus get tiring after a while tho |
| 20:15.57 | Vail | hmm i am about to view my infestation ability demo ..yay |
| 20:16.05 | Ashamed | but the way i did it flying is i made it seem like diablow |
| 20:16.15 | flyingspatula | i havent played diablo in like 10 years lol |
| 20:16.31 | Ibebusiness | I dont use ANY input trigger whatso ever, I have FULL MOUSE input, and about 7 keyboard keys that are near lagless |
| 20:16.44 | Ibebusiness | all via data |
| 20:16.47 | Ashamed | well all it does is requires you to hold the right button down and he moves twords you camera yaw |
| 20:16.48 | Ibebusiness | with just one catch |
| 20:16.55 | JademusSreg | Ibe, you use a crazy utility that translates mouse and key input into stuff. |
| 20:16.56 | Ashamed | then if you press the right button it puts your camera on a rotation |
| 20:17.28 | Ibebusiness | I will be called the laggless utility |
| 20:17.31 | JademusSreg | So the odds of that catching on are roughly nil, but you'll probably have a good if not small community of enthusiasts. |
| 20:17.40 | Ibebusiness | or "im not a newb" utility |
| 20:17.49 | Ibebusiness | well |
| 20:17.51 | flyingspatula | what about world of warcraft control minus the WASD then, thats what it sounds like ashamed |
| 20:17.54 | Griffenator | Or it's pure bullshit. |
| 20:18.03 | Ibebusiness | Please a few of smart people instead of a mass of retards |
| 20:18.08 | Ibebusiness | I like that |
| 20:18.15 | Ashamed | thats what it is flying |
| 20:18.15 | Ibebusiness | no trolling then (i hope) |
| 20:18.23 | Ashamed | its the camera system in WOW without the WASD |
| 20:18.23 | flyingspatula | oic then thats not bad at all ashamed |
| 20:18.33 | flyingspatula | thats actually pretty good |
| 20:18.39 | flyingspatula | i can managed somethign for that in my map still |
| 20:18.39 | Ashamed | yeah it works fine really does |
| 20:18.47 | flyingspatula | ill have to do |
| 20:18.50 | Ashamed | only issue i am having is elevation |
| 20:18.51 | Ashamed | with the camera |
| 20:18.52 | flyingspatula | a different view approach |
| 20:18.59 | flyingspatula | what u mean |
| 20:19.04 | Ashamed | like if you have a unit go up a hill the camera loses the unit :( |
| 20:19.15 | Ashamed | i havn't figured out how to get that working better yet |
| 20:19.16 | flyingspatula | ibeb when u get ur project playable u should show it to me |
| 20:19.18 | Ibebusiness | goes back to his map (with elevators soon, and a xel naga halo with moving platforms) |
| 20:19.27 | flyingspatula | isnt there |
| 20:19.34 | flyingspatula | a camera option for that ashamed |
| 20:19.35 | Ashamed | yeah that shouldn't be a problem |
| 20:19.39 | Inazuma | do you guys have links to threads about your maps? |
| 20:19.47 | Ashamed | yeah flying its going to be somethign where i need to update the camera height |
| 20:19.49 | flyingspatula | i only have my old wc3 map O.O |
| 20:19.51 | Ashamed | manually |
| 20:19.53 | Ibebusiness | flying - I will |
| 20:19.56 | XorioZ | argh. following Prozaic's tutorial on movers crashes my editor.. retried it and it crashes at the same point avery time... wt? |
| 20:20.01 | Ibebusiness | I still have your old map |
| 20:20.05 | flyingspatula | haha |
| 20:20.07 | flyingspatula | i sitll get emails about it |
| 20:20.10 | flyingspatula | and youtube comments |
| 20:20.11 | Ibebusiness | I lost about 50% of the work I did on mine |
| 20:20.12 | flyingspatula | its so bad |
| 20:20.13 | JademusSreg | http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=215392 http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/project-workplace/20788-photon-cycles-a-luminous-lightbikes-map/ |
| 20:20.24 | flyingspatula | jade is ur map proteceted lol |
| 20:20.25 | Triceron | your FPS map? |
| 20:20.28 | JademusSreg | Yup. |
| 20:20.31 | flyingspatula | ah k |
| 20:20.34 | Ashamed | lcoking your map jade |
| 20:20.36 | flyingspatula | i might try playin it |
| 20:20.37 | Ashamed | how dare you |
| 20:20.43 | JademusSreg | Though map protection doesn't mean much to a dedicated hacker. |
| 20:20.54 | Ashamed | i think fly wanted to look at your triggers |
| 20:20.55 | Ashamed | >< |
| 20:20.58 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 20:20.59 | JademusSreg | I share my code at any request. |
| 20:21.10 | JademusSreg | It's merely to prevent wholesale copying. |
| 20:21.13 | flyingspatula | im pretty decent at scripting myself, i just suck at the new data editor |
| 20:21.22 | Ashamed | same here flying |
| 20:21.25 | flyingspatula | i do my movement weird |
| 20:21.28 | flyingspatula | tho |
| 20:21.32 | Ashamed | but its because the data editor is not set up like a script at all |
| 20:21.33 | Ashamed | lol |
| 20:21.42 | Ashamed | and us scripters are like wtf |
| 20:21.45 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 20:21.47 | Ashamed | i just want to TYPE something |
| 20:21.54 | JademusSreg | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/galaxy-scripting-and-trigger-lib/19451-input-a-script-to-capture-key-and-mouse-input/ |
| 20:22.15 | flyingspatula | oh interesting |
| 20:22.16 | JademusSreg | That's what I wrote to handle input, and I use it in Photon Cycles for mouse button input. |
| 20:22.32 | JademusSreg | And in the next update, key input. |
| 20:22.49 | Ashamed | for what jade? |
| 20:23.00 | Ashamed | weapons? |
| 20:23.03 | JademusSreg | To autokick people who pause the game. |
| 20:23.07 | Ashamed | lol |
| 20:23.10 | Ashamed | is that an issue |
| 20:23.13 | Ashamed | with your map? |
| 20:23.13 | JademusSreg | And eventually I'll include other things. |
| 20:23.15 | JademusSreg | Yup. |
| 20:23.19 | JademusSreg | Pause griefing. |
| 20:23.20 | Ashamed | why pause it? |
| 20:23.33 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 20:23.39 | JademusSreg | Play a pub match and I'll show you, Ash. |
| 20:23.40 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 20:23.41 | Ashamed | you going to make a warning system |
| 20:23.49 | Ashamed | like the first time it says hey watch it |
| 20:23.54 | Ashamed | and then the second time it boots your ass |
| 20:23.55 | JademusSreg | Nope, it will just autokick, no warning. |
| 20:24.06 | Ashamed | oh what happens if some freinds are playing though |
| 20:24.13 | Ashamed | and one guy is like one second my baby crying |
| 20:24.22 | JademusSreg | Host can puase. |
| 20:24.25 | Ashamed | oh |
| 20:24.26 | Ashamed | ok |
| 20:24.26 | JademusSreg | *pause |
| 20:24.31 | Ashamed | so host can still cheat |
| 20:24.35 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 20:24.35 | Ashamed | Awesome >< |
| 20:24.36 | A1win | make it a game setting |
| 20:24.50 | A1win | enable/disable autokick on pause |
| 20:24.59 | flyingspatula | hm so how exactly is this script further improved upon the normal way |
| 20:25.01 | Ashamed | yeah i would do that jade or a wanrting system |
| 20:25.06 | Ashamed | i woulding do it on the first >< |
| 20:25.16 | JademusSreg | No warning. I am without mercy. |
| 20:25.25 | Ashamed | well then you need to take it away from the host too |
| 20:25.35 | Ashamed | or then host has advantage |
| 20:25.53 | JademusSreg | I will personally ban people if I discover they do that. =D |
| 20:26.02 | Ashamed | NO |
| 20:26.03 | Vail | what ever happend to minor inequality in a game.... |
| 20:26.11 | Ashamed | lol vail i rmber sc too |
| 20:26.11 | Ashamed | >< |
| 20:26.28 | Vail | now its OH everything has to be equal for every one |
| 20:26.30 | Ashamed | i so rmber just joining a random game and finding out that guy had opened the map and added a bunch of shit for pl1 |
| 20:26.42 | Vail | hm |
| 20:26.45 | JademusSreg | Ash, play Photon Cycles with me. =D |
| 20:26.46 | Ashamed | like mass games were the worse |
| 20:27.00 | Ashamed | you would join a mass game and then you would notice host has 4 9999 characters |
| 20:27.04 | Ashamed | that do 9999 damage |
| 20:27.14 | Ashamed | and you are like awesome.. well i am just going to leave becauses thats stupid |
| 20:27.22 | Ashamed | Jade >< if i wasn't at hell i would |
| 20:27.29 | JademusSreg | You're always there. |
| 20:27.35 | Ashamed | i am always here |
| 20:27.36 | Ashamed | i hate it |
| 20:27.42 | Ashamed | i am getting a new job soon |
| 20:27.51 | Ashamed | i am at the point where i cant fucking handle this shit anymore |
| 20:28.24 | JademusSreg | My map is pretty damn balanced, simple as fuck, too. On par with a decent flash game, almost. |
| 20:28.37 | Ashamed | and i hate being here in the middle of the day :( |
| 20:28.50 | Ashamed | 11:30-8 is my current schedule right now |
| 20:29.38 | Ashamed | so duke nukem isn't like a great game.. but its a fun small fps for sure |
| 20:29.41 | Ashamed | been playing it >< |
| 20:29.48 | Ashamed | but i cant believe they took out coop :( |
| 20:30.18 | Ashamed | and the game is way simple i am almost done on the hardest difficulty |
| 20:30.18 | JademusSreg | I've never been a fan of Duke Nukem, so I'll probably never get the game. |
| 20:30.22 | Ashamed | honestly i dled it >< |
| 20:30.25 | Ashamed | but i am happy i did |
| 20:30.25 | Ashamed | lol |
| 20:30.37 | flyingspatula | hey jade what makes that script of urs better than just using the normal input way? jw |
| 20:30.58 | Ashamed | cuz he made it |
| 20:30.59 | A1win | pff I feel like creating something but can't come up with anything that I'd be motivated enough to start |
| 20:31.00 | Ashamed | and he thinks he is God |
| 20:31.11 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 20:31.30 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 20:31.54 | flyingspatula | i mean if its just preference or theres something ur doing diff |
| 20:32.15 | Ashamed | a1win a map idea i had for a bank type map.. was like a dynasty warrior type of map.. but based on sc2 and you litterally just join battles and lvl up your guy / class :) |
| 20:32.17 | JademusSreg | Because most people who use 4 events and 4 triggers, and that shit is wasteful at best. |
| 20:32.22 | Ashamed | i think it would work very well on the sc engine |
| 20:32.32 | flyingspatula | oic |
| 20:32.43 | JademusSreg | And that's a trigger and event per key. |
| 20:32.54 | flyingspatula | i get too much into the habit of doing purely lib gui crap |
| 20:32.58 | A1win | I prefer co-op, and I want to make something I'd want to play myself :P |
| 20:33.07 | Vail | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glB-tjxAnvE |
| 20:33.09 | Ashamed | jade .. so you know how i told you i figured out how to do my movement system so it only updates on camera move changes? |
| 20:33.33 | JademusSreg | Yup. |
| 20:33.39 | Ashamed | well there is an issue with that :( |
| 20:33.43 | Ashamed | and i need to figure out hwo to fix it |
| 20:33.47 | JademusSreg | I imagined there would be. =D |
| 20:33.56 | Ashamed | i started adding cliffs/pathing to my map |
| 20:34.06 | Ashamed | and now it chokes up my guy sometimes when he is going twords one |
| 20:34.07 | Ashamed | he will start to try to avoid it |
| 20:34.15 | Ashamed | even if its like 100000 feet away |
| 20:34.15 | *** join/#sc2mapster Cookies (4cc44fd8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.196.79.216) |
| 20:34.19 | Cookies | ... |
| 20:34.23 | JademusSreg | Yup. |
| 20:34.27 | Ashamed | :( I need to figure out how to find the closest cliff/path |
| 20:34.33 | Ashamed | and then put the point there |
| 20:34.36 | Cookies | <('-')> Testing |
| 20:34.36 | Ashamed | but i have yet to figure out how to do this :( |
| 20:34.40 | JademusSreg | Let me check my third person WASD map for reference; I forget how I solved that. |
| 20:34.41 | flyingspatula | im really of your scripts/triggers ashamed lol |
| 20:34.50 | Ashamed | oh you know ! |
| 20:34.57 | Cookies | anyone have a way of creating a 2d traceline? |
| 20:35.07 | Ashamed | flying i am sorry that sentence confused me? |
| 20:35.17 | flyingspatula | i dont even use order movement |
| 20:35.19 | flyingspatula | so i dont have that problem |
| 20:35.28 | Ashamed | oh how are you moving the unit? |
| 20:35.33 | flyingspatula | instant movement |
| 20:35.38 | Cookies | (>')>(x-x) |
| 20:35.40 | Ashamed | ??? |
| 20:35.44 | Ashamed | like teleport? |
| 20:35.44 | Ibebusiness | I have a link for the 2d |
| 20:35.50 | Cookies | hes using instant movement |
| 20:35.50 | flyingspatula | and running animation |
| 20:35.50 | Ibebusiness | but im trying to go 3d traceline |
| 20:35.54 | Cookies | as in Move trigger |
| 20:35.59 | Ashamed | flying .. i wouldn't do that |
| 20:36.02 | flyingspatula | lol i created a 3d traceline for wc3 way back |
| 20:36.06 | Ashamed | for one you have to run the trigger ALOT |
| 20:36.07 | Cookies | MADNESS |
| 20:36.10 | Cookies | ITS IMPOSIBRU |
| 20:36.10 | Ashamed | in order for it to look right |
| 20:36.19 | Cookies | ITS MADNESSSSS |
| 20:36.19 | flyingspatula | its actually like really short |
| 20:36.22 | flyingspatula | the movement |
| 20:36.24 | Ashamed | the reason i did mine the way i did is the exact opposite |
| 20:36.31 | Ashamed | when you are running forward NO triggers are running |
| 20:36.34 | Cookies | WC3 Traceline = MADNESSSSSSS *Blargh* |
| 20:36.39 | flyingspatula | oic |
| 20:36.40 | Ibebusiness | http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/starcraft-ii-editor-help-zone-647/simple-2d-traceline-function-167915/ |
| 20:36.41 | Ashamed | it requires one trigger to auto detect in front of you |
| 20:36.46 | Ashamed | and then it orders them to the farthest point |
| 20:36.57 | flyingspatula | i guess id have to see ur map to understand lol |
| 20:37.13 | Cookies | anyhow |
| 20:37.22 | Cookies | i created a Hit-Scan projectile system for 3d traceline |
| 20:37.23 | flyingspatula | yeah my wc3 traceline took AGES |
| 20:37.27 | Cookies | i can add a video link though |
| 20:37.28 | Cookies | if u want |
| 20:37.32 | Ashamed | ok flying i can explain it... its not that hard |
| 20:37.45 | Cookies | i need someone to review my tps test |
| 20:37.45 | JademusSreg | CameraUseHeightSmoothing(i,false); |
| 20:37.55 | flyingspatula | ^this |
| 20:38.24 | Cookies | can someone review my Map? "http://www.wegame.com/watch/sc2-tps-concept/" |
| 20:38.32 | Cookies | its just a test video for tps |
| 20:39.11 | Cookies | lets try that link again: http://www.wegame.com/watch/sc2-tps-concept/ |
| 20:39.29 | flyingspatula | you can tighten that camera closer cookies |
| 20:39.44 | flyingspatula | when u move |
| 20:39.44 | Ibebusiness | trickyxxx did you use a loop version 3dtraceline? |
| 20:39.51 | Cookies | im using FoV instead of distance |
| 20:39.57 | A1win | what is there to review, Cookies D: looks like a standard TPS setup |
| 20:39.57 | Cookies | its not that far away |
| 20:40.03 | flyingspatula | i meant when u move ur camera trails behind |
| 20:40.17 | Cookies | i need some answers for it |
| 20:40.22 | flyingspatula | for sc2 or wc3 ibeb? i havent made much for sc2 |
| 20:40.32 | Cookies | TraceLine in WC3 = STILL MADNESSSSS |
| 20:40.36 | Ibebusiness | but, its not hard to convert a traceline over |
| 20:40.38 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 20:40.42 | flyingspatula | what u mean cookies |
| 20:40.52 | Cookies | for one |
| 20:41.00 | Cookies | is there any way |
| 20:41.01 | flyingspatula | my traceline in wc3 was pretty basic tho |
| 20:41.05 | Ibebusiness | there are two versions of tracelines rihgt now for starcraft II |
| 20:41.07 | flyingspatula | theres a good sc2 raceline already |
| 20:41.07 | Cookies | to change the skybox? |
| 20:41.26 | Ibebusiness | a 100x loop version and a ALL units in range, then loop version. |
| 20:41.31 | flyingspatula | ew |
| 20:41.38 | *** join/#sc2mapster MaxMode (~Adium@ip98-185-253-55.sb.sd.cox.net) |
| 20:41.40 | Cookies | why use a loop? |
| 20:41.44 | Ibebusiness | the first was was slow, because it searches for units one at a time |
| 20:41.45 | Cookies | I'd rather create a region |
| 20:41.58 | Cookies | A region would be A LOT better than a loop imo |
| 20:41.58 | Ibebusiness | the second one was faster because it grabbed all the units at once |
| 20:42.02 | Ibebusiness | HOWEVER |
| 20:42.11 | Dresnia | goodnight brothers and sisters |
| 20:42.17 | A1win | a region shape can only be circles or rectangles |
| 20:42.21 | Cookies | Hello Father Dresnia! |
| 20:42.23 | A1win | so you'd need a loop to create the region |
| 20:42.23 | Ibebusiness | the second one, the faster one, doesnt look for blocking objects |
| 20:42.24 | Cookies | Good morning |
| 20:42.33 | Ibebusiness | like walls, trees, buildings ect |
| 20:42.44 | Ibebusiness | so I am making a hybrid system |
| 20:42.52 | Ibebusiness | the faster one runs first |
| 20:43.02 | flyingspatula | lol i rmemeber making hitboxes for trees |
| 20:43.04 | flyingspatula | and barrels |
| 20:43.11 | Cookies | WHY DO PEOPLE keep using TRACELINES?? |
| 20:43.16 | Ibebusiness | then the second one, will still loop, but wont be looking for units (which is what makes it slow) but for blocking |
| 20:43.17 | Cookies | why not just a PROJECTILE system |
| 20:43.24 | flyingspatula | projectile system is innefficient |
| 20:43.34 | Cookies | how so? |
| 20:43.43 | Cookies | i was working on one |
| 20:43.44 | Cookies | before |
| 20:43.49 | Ibebusiness | yea tricky I remembering having to figure out the entire map yo umade |
| 20:44.01 | Ibebusiness | dude |
| 20:44.03 | JademusSreg | This is a proof of concept map I made a while ago. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/ThirdPersonDemo.SC2Map |
| 20:44.04 | Cookies | whos map? |
| 20:44.04 | Ibebusiness | the toweres |
| 20:44.09 | flyingspatula | haha |
| 20:44.09 | Ibebusiness | bad ass!! |
| 20:44.11 | *** join/#sc2mapster MindWorX` (MindWorX@188.176.196.178) |
| 20:44.17 | flyingspatula | my map was crazy in a stupid way |
| 20:44.18 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 20:44.20 | JademusSreg | Hi Mindy |
| 20:44.34 | Cookies | omfg, a flying Spatula? |
| 20:44.36 | Ibebusiness | grenades |
| 20:44.42 | Ibebusiness | knifing |
| 20:44.46 | Ibebusiness | sniping |
| 20:44.49 | Ibebusiness | climbable towers |
| 20:44.53 | flyingspatula | i remembered i figured out jhow to make it so u didnt have to do trigger terrain but instead u could use cliffs etc |
| 20:44.53 | Ibebusiness | destroyable trees |
| 20:44.55 | Ibebusiness | omg |
| 20:44.55 | flyingspatula | but forgot to add it |
| 20:45.07 | JademusSreg | Also, noticed this was in my dropbox: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/TrollCraftRebirth.jpg |
| 20:45.20 | Cookies | when i saw Troll in the name, i didnt wanna click it |
| 20:45.23 | JademusSreg | I played a troll for 2 hours until he finally gave up. |
| 20:45.25 | Cookies | and then i saw Craft, so i did :P |
| 20:45.26 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 20:45.27 | JademusSreg | Good times. |
| 20:46.43 | Ibebusiness | i dont get it |
| 20:46.52 | A1win | I'm tempted to continue my zombie survival map but not motivated enough :P |
| 20:47.09 | A1win | needs AI for enemies in inactive areas x\ |
| 20:47.20 | flyingspatula | im sorta doing that |
| 20:47.26 | flyingspatula | but i want it 100% player zombie based |
| 20:47.31 | flyingspatula | like counterstrike zombie mod |
| 20:47.38 | Ibebusiness | I want to start converting everyones tps/fps maps, to use the utility and mass produce interest in the tool |
| 20:47.46 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 20:47.51 | A1win | well it's not really focused on the "zombies", it just as them |
| 20:47.56 | A1win | so I call it a zombie survival map :P |
| 20:48.08 | JademusSreg | Good luck, Ibe. |
| 20:48.34 | flyingspatula | i wish i understood al lthat atan2 maxi mini crap |
| 20:48.37 | Cookies | i was making a CodZombieType game |
| 20:48.39 | Cookies | and then |
| 20:48.41 | Ibebusiness | I would need to catch the attention of a popular map creator |
| 20:48.45 | Cookies | i didnt have 2d Tracelines |
| 20:48.54 | Cookies | but now that i have 2d tracelines, i dont have the map |
| 20:48.55 | Cookies | FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF |
| 20:48.58 | Cookies | *Angry* |
| 20:49.10 | Ibebusiness | lol |
| 20:49.14 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 20:49.52 | Cookies | there's a new piano cat on youtuve |
| 20:49.52 | flyingspatula | jade ur proof seemed reletaveily smooth to me |
| 20:49.57 | Cookies | who really plays the piano! |
| 20:49.58 | flyingspatula | how did it lag online |
| 20:50.18 | Cookies | well, time to test TrollCraft |
| 20:50.21 | Cookies | wish me luck :P |
| 20:50.36 | flyingspatula | lol |
| 20:50.37 | JademusSreg | I've tested it on bnet and it is pretty smooth, but not viable. |
| 20:50.50 | Cookies | inb4 trolls populate trollcraft |
| 20:50.54 | Cookies | oh gawd, i made an idea |
| 20:51.02 | flyingspatula | yea viability is what makes me :'( |
| 20:51.06 | Cookies | Trollcraft's new class, the Internet troll |
| 20:51.06 | flyingspatula | everything i make isnt viable |
| 20:51.12 | Cookies | can duplicate every 60 seconds |
| 20:51.18 | Cookies | and has DoT attacks |
| 20:51.18 | flyingspatula | but if wha tyou and whats his face were talking about with move mouvement |
| 20:51.20 | JademusSreg | Because bnet imposes latency on top of the synchronization, there is just no way it can be viable. |
| 20:51.21 | flyingspatula | then i may get somewhere |
| 20:51.29 | flyingspatula | yeah |
| 20:51.41 | flyingspatula | so like |
| 20:51.45 | JademusSreg | TrollCraft was a joke; it's from when I played TronCraft Rebirth back in the day. |
| 20:51.47 | Cookies | wtf? trollcraft isnt like Troll Tribes? |
| 20:51.52 | Cookies | 0_o |
| 20:51.53 | JademusSreg | Before I made Photon Cycles. |
| 20:51.56 | flyingspatula | unit/rotation keeping up with each other online works out ok? |
| 20:51.59 | Cookies | *Confused about picture* |
| 20:52.03 | flyingspatula | on ur photon map |
| 20:52.17 | Cookies | SC2 needs two Network types |
| 20:52.21 | Cookies | Local and Server |
| 20:52.25 | Cookies | which u can switch |
| 20:52.32 | Cookies | Server is default |
| 20:52.32 | Cookies | and Local is new |
| 20:52.36 | JademusSreg | Yup, my map plays well enough to be on page 3 or 2 (it oscillates). |
| 20:52.39 | Cookies | In Local, all units are based on YOUR perspective |
| 20:52.50 | Cookies | you see your own units as Local and updating on their own |
| 20:52.50 | flyingspatula | all the crap maps r on page 1 |
| 20:52.54 | Cookies | Agreed |
| 20:52.57 | Cookies | we should torch them |
| 20:52.59 | Triceron | needs more trolls |
| 20:53.04 | Cookies | need less trolls |
| 20:53.10 | Triceron | moar |
| 20:53.15 | A1win | hmm... how'd it sound if a survival map had automatic eating & drinking that you'd have to do, so you'd collect food and water to some container at your base or wherever you place it, and you'd eat & drink just by standing near it o: |
| 20:53.17 | Cookies | lezz |
| 20:53.20 | Ibebusiness | http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/starcraft-ii-editor-help-zone-647/traceline-convert-3d-most-2d-code-already-done-195870/ |
| 20:53.22 | JademusSreg | Naw, those maps have specific identifiable qualities that get them there, crap or not. |
| 20:53.25 | flyingspatula | hah awlin |
| 20:53.39 | Ibebusiness | anything you wanted to know about the best solution for 3d traceline with collision detection |
| 20:53.43 | Triceron | eww, hive |
| 20:53.47 | Ibebusiness | and fast |
| 20:53.49 | JademusSreg | For instance, minerals has fewer players than sotis, but they fewer players play for longer. |
| 20:53.50 | flyingspatula | damn gtg |
| 20:54.02 | Cookies | im planning on using Traceline as mouse movement |
| 20:54.04 | Cookies | good idea? |
| 20:54.05 | Ibebusiness | bye |
| 20:54.09 | Cookies | Mouse Movement traceline? |
| 20:54.11 | Ibebusiness | no |
| 20:54.14 | Ibebusiness | no need |
| 20:54.22 | JademusSreg | Because minerals gameplay is drawn out, and the map is ultimately unwinnable. |
| 20:54.26 | Ibebusiness | what do you mean by mouse movement |
| 20:54.38 | Cookies | well, ill be using Tracelines to detect the mouse position |
| 20:54.44 | Cookies | rather than using units |
| 20:54.48 | Cookies | as highlights |
| 20:55.18 | Ibebusiness | to do what? |
| 20:55.28 | Cookies | detect the mouse's mosition |
| 20:55.36 | Ibebusiness | to do what? |
| 20:55.40 | Cookies | ... |
| 20:55.46 | Cookies | itll be explained later? |
| 20:55.48 | Dustin | You can already detect the mouses position... |
| 20:55.52 | Cookies | not really |
| 20:55.56 | Cookies | you can detect mouse movement |
| 20:55.57 | Dustin | Uh what |
| 20:56.01 | Dustin | Yes you can |
| 20:56.06 | Cookies | using? |
| 20:56.11 | Dustin | MouseWorldPosition() |
| 20:56.12 | Ibebusiness | im trying to see if we can skip this whole mouse detection stuff when there may be another way around it |
| 20:56.15 | JademusSreg | Hahaha |
| 20:56.20 | Cookies | not in GUI... :( |
| 20:56.25 | Cookies | wtf blizzard *Angry* |
| 20:56.28 | Ibebusiness | you can |
| 20:56.29 | Dustin | Yes |
| 20:56.32 | Cookies | Really??? |
| 20:56.33 | Dustin | I use it all the time in GUI |
| 20:56.35 | Cookies | 0_o |
| 20:56.36 | Ibebusiness | custom script in gui |
| 20:56.41 | Dustin | not custom script |
| 20:56.49 | Dustin | Jsut straight up right there |
| 20:56.50 | Ibebusiness | *im just saying you can* |
| 20:56.54 | Cookies | ... ill check it |
| 20:57.53 | Cookies | you can detect MouseMoved Position |
| 20:58.01 | Cookies | and mouse Clicked |
| 20:58.48 | Cookies | why does Blizzard hate GUI... *Cries in corner* |
| 20:59.49 | Ashamed | 5 more hours |
| 20:59.52 | Ashamed | and weekend here i come |
| 21:00.01 | Ashamed | i have my first fathers day this sunday >< |
| 21:00.22 | Cookies | so.. anybody wanna explain how to detect MouseWorld position in GUI? |
| 21:01.38 | JademusSreg | Blizzard doesn't hate GUI. |
| 21:01.48 | JademusSreg | The entire campaign is done in GUI. |
| 21:01.58 | *** join/#sc2mapster Godofrndmobjcts (182195ed@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.33.149.237) |
| 21:02.13 | Cookies | i really do wonder when Blizzard will add Z-axis support in GUI :P |
| 21:02.14 | A1win | you can get X, Y and Z coordinates as Reals on mouse clicked and mouse moved events |
| 21:02.30 | Dustin | ya ^ |
| 21:02.30 | Cookies | thats the issue |
| 21:02.33 | A1win | and then convert them to a point with Point from XYZ |
| 21:02.36 | Cookies | i know |
| 21:02.40 | Cookies | i already said that |
| 21:02.49 | A1win | and? |
| 21:02.52 | Cookies | im trying to build a traceline system to detect Current XYZ |
| 21:02.55 | Ashamed | I am going to design a good GUI for my map |
| 21:02.58 | Cookies | instead of right when the mouse moves |
| 21:02.58 | Ashamed | i am good at photeshop :) |
| 21:03.01 | Dustin | Whaa |
| 21:03.01 | Godofrndmobjcts | can anyone tell me how to change the amount of time a shield ability lasts? example: psi shield |
| 21:03.08 | Dustin | Why dont you just store it everytime it's moved |
| 21:03.12 | Dustin | Then you have it's current |
| 21:03.12 | Cookies | because |
| 21:03.16 | Ashamed | god in the data editor |
| 21:03.16 | Cookies | it's inprecise |
| 21:03.27 | Cookies | if the camera moves, the mouse doesn't |
| 21:03.27 | Ashamed | go to the ability you want to change and look at the stats >< |
| 21:03.56 | JademusSreg | Dustin is correct, it's easy. |
| 21:04.04 | Cookies | It's still imprecise |
| 21:04.08 | Ashamed | what are you tyring to do cookie?> |
| 21:04.12 | Ashamed | get the x,y,z of a unit? |
| 21:04.15 | Ashamed | everytime they move |
| 21:04.15 | Cookies | get the Current XYZ |
| 21:04.15 | JademusSreg | Because it updates 16 times per second, max. |
| 21:04.22 | Cookies | via timers |
| 21:04.26 | Cookies | if the camera is moved |
| 21:04.28 | Ashamed | yeah , you should be able to get that |
| 21:04.28 | Cookies | the mouse isnt |
| 21:04.42 | Cookies | utilizing tracelines, i can get the mouse position |
| 21:04.46 | JademusSreg | Mouse is ansynchronous. |
| 21:05.06 | Ashamed | you are trying to get position of mouse? |
| 21:05.09 | Cookies | yes |
| 21:05.14 | Ashamed | isn't there a trigger that does this? |
| 21:05.17 | Godofrndmobjcts | yea im in there and ive changed most of what i need but i cant find how to make it last longer or less time |
| 21:05.21 | Mexa_ | Lots of talking going on now when I am not here. |
| 21:05.26 | A1win | Ashamed, only on moved/clicked event |
| 21:05.33 | Cookies | that's the only precise one |
| 21:05.36 | Cookies | i need a Realtime one |
| 21:05.40 | JademusSreg | Can't. |
| 21:05.42 | Cookies | so im using timers and tracelines |
| 21:06.19 | JademusSreg | The engine's tick is 1/32 game seconds. The event manager works in increments of 1/16 game seconds. |
| 21:06.26 | Cookies | i know |
| 21:06.31 | Ashamed | yeah its going to lag no matter what :( |
| 21:06.43 | Cookies | im dont care about the lag |
| 21:06.49 | Cookies | im getting the mouse World Position |
| 21:06.50 | Ashamed | then just use the mouse move trigger |
| 21:06.53 | JademusSreg | You wanna trace the line between the two points each tick. |
| 21:06.55 | Cookies | it's imprecise |
| 21:07.05 | JademusSreg | Is that right? |
| 21:07.05 | Cookies | @Jade - Exactly |
| 21:07.08 | Cookies | yes |
| 21:07.12 | Cookies | its my plan |
| 21:07.15 | Cookies | im utilizing tracelines |
| 21:07.16 | JademusSreg | I already did that in Identificationary. |
| 21:07.19 | JademusSreg | pew pew |
| 21:07.20 | A1win | it's not imprecise, it just doesn't work the way you need it to :p |
| 21:07.26 | Ashamed | yeah |
| 21:07.27 | Ashamed | lol |
| 21:07.31 | A1win | imprecise would mean it doesn't return the right coordinates |
| 21:07.31 | Cookies | using mouse moved |
| 21:07.33 | Cookies | will not update |
| 21:07.38 | Cookies | if the mouse doesnt move |
| 21:07.40 | Ashamed | it gets the right coords |
| 21:07.43 | Cookies | which means, camera movement doesnt work |
| 21:07.59 | Ashamed | cookies you can have a mosue move one and a camera move one mby ? |
| 21:08.01 | Ashamed | i dunno |
| 21:08.11 | Cookies | Mouse Move and Camera dont go together |
| 21:08.14 | Cookies | when the camera moves |
| 21:08.18 | Cookies | the Mouse Move event doesnt trigger |
| 21:08.22 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 21:08.28 | JademusSreg | Correct. |
| 21:08.40 | A1win | that's the third time he said it :P |
| 21:08.42 | JademusSreg | What are you trying to do anyway? =D |
| 21:08.54 | JademusSreg | I'ven ot been paying attention. |
| 21:08.59 | A1win | hehe |
| 21:09.18 | Cookies | By using Tracelines, i can find the Global position of the mouse |
| 21:09.31 | Cookies | thus, removing the need to using the Highlighted unit technique |
| 21:09.52 | JademusSreg | That doesn't tell me what you're trying to do. |
| 21:09.55 | A1win | hmmh maybe I should come up with a more interesting gameplay for my city exploration "engine" so I'd get better motivated to do something with it... |
| 21:10.06 | A1win | the zombie survival rpg just doesn't feel like the best idea anymore |
| 21:10.16 | JademusSreg | "I want to be able to turn the camera and shoot things." For instance. |
| 21:10.22 | Cookies | @A1win - Creator's block? |
| 21:10.28 | A1win | yea ;p |
| 21:10.32 | Cookies | same |
| 21:10.40 | A1win | getting a lot of it, and too often :P |
| 21:10.42 | Griffenator | How about a game involving a space map Orchanasi-style RNP game? |
| 21:10.52 | Cookies | how about a map about clicking buttons? |
| 21:10.54 | A1win | orchanasi? |
| 21:11.30 | Griffenator | Heh, never heard of it? |
| 21:11.34 | Griffenator | And you call yourself a gamer?!? |
| 21:11.39 | A1win | :P |
| 21:11.52 | Cookies | wtf is Orchanasi? |
| 21:11.56 | Cookies | :P |
| 21:12.20 | A1win | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcFxzlEafnQ <- talking about this, it needs a gameplay idea D: |
| 21:12.39 | Cookies | omfg! I remember that game! |
| 21:12.54 | Cookies | make instead of click to move, you hold a button to move? |
| 21:13.04 | A1win | "that game"? |
| 21:13.17 | A1win | maybe |
| 21:13.33 | A1win | but it's not the movement controls that stopped me from working on it |
| 21:13.36 | Cookies | nice generating system you've got there |
| 21:13.42 | Cookies | its the idea, i know |
| 21:13.56 | Cookies | how about two game modes? |
| 21:13.57 | Cookies | Arcade and Survival |
| 21:14.01 | A1win | and I made that before mouse move event existed |
| 21:14.06 | Cookies | i know |
| 21:14.36 | A1win | I want just one good idea for a start :Pp |
| 21:14.50 | Cookies | keep it simple :P thats what i always say |
| 21:15.03 | Cookies | stick with making a basic arcade gameplay first |
| 21:15.11 | A1win | the zombies have a kind of an AI already, they follow the player for a while and stop if they haven't seen the player in a specific duration |
| 21:15.17 | Cookies | i know |
| 21:15.19 | Cookies | ive seen ur vids |
| 21:15.28 | A1win | it isn't in the videos :P |
| 21:15.32 | A1win | well I explained it on the forums |
| 21:15.34 | Cookies | really? |
| 21:15.37 | *** join/#sc2mapster PassivePicasso1 (~Twiner@c-98-229-148-216.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) |
| 21:15.37 | A1win | so I guess you read it there |
| 21:15.39 | Cookies | i could've sworn.. :P |
| 21:16.06 | Cookies | Arcade mode ftw :) |
| 21:16.10 | A1win | arcade? |
| 21:16.15 | Cookies | collect points |
| 21:16.21 | Cookies | basic game mode |
| 21:16.29 | Cookies | your map's good enough if you have equipment ready |
| 21:16.37 | Cookies | the map generation is really good |
| 21:16.47 | A1win | the outside isn't generated atm |
| 21:16.56 | Cookies | the inside |
| 21:17.04 | Cookies | your system is good enough alone |
| 21:17.06 | A1win | just the buildings, and I had planned to add more variation for them anyways, after other things are done |
| 21:17.12 | Cookies | :) |
| 21:17.14 | A1win | yeah but there's nothing to actually play :P |
| 21:17.21 | A1win | just... wander |
| 21:17.35 | Cookies | the unique system is already pretty good |
| 21:17.42 | Cookies | work on gameplay before polishing things |
| 21:18.00 | A1win | maybe I should just forget about AI and make some boring stationary enemies or something =p |
| 21:18.06 | Cookies | no |
| 21:18.13 | A1win | :P |
| 21:18.14 | Cookies | Gameplay includes AI |
| 21:18.27 | Cookies | you have one behavior |
| 21:18.32 | Cookies | the Ignore over time |
| 21:18.36 | Cookies | you just need a follow behavior |
| 21:19.02 | A1win | it's not that simple |
| 21:19.17 | Cookies | i know it's not |
| 21:19.21 | A1win | only one indoor area per player exist in the map at a time |
| 21:19.28 | Cookies | i know about that |
| 21:19.49 | Cookies | you could use a dynamic system that calculates how many zombies are following him |
| 21:19.54 | Cookies | via usage of a simple integer |
| 21:19.57 | A1win | meh it's not that complex either, but I just don't feel like continuing for some reason >.< |
| 21:20.08 | Cookies | :P creator's block sucks |
| 21:20.41 | Cookies | if you don't feel like continuing, do something else |
| 21:20.43 | Cookies | Archive your map |
| 21:20.47 | Cookies | work on something fun |
| 21:20.52 | Cookies | and after a few months, go back to it |
| 21:20.55 | A1win | I've done so for like half a year now :P |
| 21:21.01 | Cookies | :O |
| 21:21.11 | A1win | I stopped working on that map in november |
| 21:21.13 | Cookies | ... *Very Very Worried about Map Status* |
| 21:21.28 | Cookies | if you don't want to continue |
| 21:21.33 | Cookies | find someone in Mapster who does |
| 21:21.42 | A1win | nah |
| 21:21.44 | A1win | ;p |
| 21:21.47 | Cookies | release the engine? |
| 21:21.55 | A1win | it's not ready |
| 21:22.02 | Cookies | hmmm... |
| 21:22.08 | A1win | and quite messy I guess |
| 21:22.22 | A1win | but I want to continue, I just can't get into it =P |
| 21:22.32 | Cookies | WHY CREATOR's BLOCK, WHY??? |
| 21:23.12 | A1win | anyway I was saying that maybe it's because the idea for the gameplay doesn't sound so interesting to me anymore |
| 21:23.29 | Cookies | :P |
| 21:23.32 | Cookies | it happens |
| 21:23.41 | Cookies | i've got 2 fps maps in archive |
| 21:23.49 | Cookies | one of them is an actual FPS |
| 21:23.53 | Cookies | the other is my TPS |
| 21:23.56 | Cookies | http://www.wegame.com/watch/sc2-tps-concept/ |
| 21:24.13 | A1win | I mean the exploration and scavenging items part is interesting, just not what the players would do with those items (survive against zombies?!?) |
| 21:24.31 | Cookies | maybe is should be an Apocalypse? |
| 21:24.32 | Cookies | instead of zombies? |
| 21:24.36 | Cookies | a catastrophe? |
| 21:24.38 | Cookies | a survival |
| 21:24.49 | Cookies | Zombies are overused :*( |
| 21:24.53 | A1win | yeah |
| 21:24.53 | Ashamed | its friday! |
| 21:25.04 | Cookies | no, it's thursday |
| 21:25.05 | A1win | the "enemy" needs to be more interesting |
| 21:25.20 | Cookies | Random enemies |
| 21:25.22 | Cookies | Arcade gameplay |
| 21:25.34 | Cookies | you can have anything |
| 21:25.40 | Cookies | just STAY AWAY from zombies as a prime |
| 21:25.40 | A1win | dunno, it just feels it should be slower paced |
| 21:25.49 | Cookies | then make it slower paced |
| 21:25.55 | Cookies | Arcade games aren't always that quick |
| 21:26.00 | Cookies | how about wave based gameplay? |
| 21:26.08 | Cookies | 6 minutes of gather |
| 21:26.22 | Cookies | 1 minute of combat |
| 21:26.30 | Cookies | or 4 gather and 2 combat |
| 21:26.36 | Cookies | w/e u want |
| 21:26.40 | Cookies | its just an example |
| 21:26.41 | A1win | like the day/night cycle in minecraft? :P |
| 21:26.47 | Cookies | yes |
| 21:26.51 | Cookies | EXACTLY like that |
| 21:27.17 | A1win | or in Left 2 Die, though I haven't played it |
| 21:27.28 | Cookies | Interest Level +2 |
| 21:27.30 | A1win | but I guess it's pretty similar to the singleplayer map |
| 21:27.32 | Cookies | Creator's Block -1 |
| 21:27.34 | Cookies | +1500 XP |
| 21:27.35 | A1win | heh |
| 21:27.37 | Cookies | LEVEL UP! |
| 21:27.57 | A1win | but I don't have anything interesting planned for the enemies... still zombies |
| 21:28.09 | A1win | and I wouldn't want too much of fighting anyway |
| 21:28.19 | A1win | cause then it'd be about getting weapons and not survivability stuff |
| 21:28.24 | Cookies | pure survival? |
| 21:28.32 | Cookies | have it be like Minecraft if your suffering from the block |
| 21:29.06 | A1win | there still needs to be a reason why the players need to gather items |
| 21:29.15 | Cookies | catastrophe? |
| 21:29.16 | Cookies | end of world? |
| 21:29.22 | Cookies | plothole? |
| 21:29.25 | Cookies | SOMEONE! BUILD A PLOTHOLE |
| 21:29.25 | A1win | :P |
| 21:29.31 | A1win | haha |
| 21:29.38 | A1win | a hole in the ground where they just dump everything |
| 21:29.57 | Cookies | that's.... that's... how do i say this... BRILLIANT |
| 21:30.21 | Cookies | there was an old survival game in WC3 |
| 21:30.27 | Cookies | the goal of the game was survival and gathering |
| 21:30.33 | Cookies | there would be random events |
| 21:30.45 | Cookies | that determined survival |
| 21:30.50 | A1win | hmm... I need a more advanced crafting system than I had planned |
| 21:31.01 | Cookies | keep it simple |
| 21:31.04 | A1win | but needs something to do with the end products of the crafting cycle |
| 21:31.15 | Cookies | Pipe(x2) + Ductape = Long Pipe |
| 21:31.24 | Cookies | how about |
| 21:31.26 | Cookies | DeCrafting? |
| 21:31.38 | Cookies | all weaponry would be simple |
| 21:31.45 | Cookies | all would have their own purposes |
| 21:31.52 | Cookies | None would be better than others |
| 21:31.59 | Cookies | and all could be decrafted |
| 21:32.02 | Cookies | for example |
| 21:32.11 | Cookies | Metal + Metal + Duct tape |
| 21:32.16 | Cookies | gives two choices |
| 21:32.25 | Cookies | Pipe, or Crowbar |
| 21:32.33 | Cookies | Crowbar is meant for melee combat |
| 21:32.41 | Cookies | Pipe is a tool that can be used for combat |
| 21:32.46 | Cookies | Crowbar opens doors |
| 21:32.49 | Cookies | Pipe fits in slots |
| 21:33.02 | A1win | how abouta zerg infestation without actual zerg creatures... just creep and some hazardous stuff you need to avoid/destroy |
| 21:33.11 | Cookies | sure |
| 21:33.13 | Cookies | anything you want goes |
| 21:33.17 | A1win | ;D |
| 21:33.24 | Cookies | it could even be about an Alien Invasion |
| 21:33.30 | Cookies | not of Zealots... |
| 21:33.33 | Cookies | but of.... |
| 21:33.37 | Cookies | you guessed it, CUBES |
| 21:33.41 | A1win | I just feel creating the chase AI for enemies is too much at the moment |
| 21:33.48 | Cookies | keep it simple |
| 21:33.53 | Cookies | the chase AI comes later |
| 21:33.56 | Cookies | remember Minecraft? |
| 21:33.58 | Cookies | AI SUCKED |
| 21:34.06 | Ashamed | more like DI |
| 21:34.08 | A1win | well I haven't played minecraft before like a week ago |
| 21:34.13 | Cookies | :) |
| 21:34.18 | Cookies | for now |
| 21:34.23 | Cookies | if you enter a room, AI is there works |
| 21:34.27 | Cookies | it keeps it simple |
| 21:34.33 | Cookies | chase is pretty simple |
| 21:34.41 | Cookies | it's just spawning at a point after a time |
| 21:34.42 | Cookies | for example |
| 21:34.46 | Cookies | if the AI is chasing you |
| 21:34.56 | Cookies | a time delay begins |
| 21:35.05 | Cookies | the distance between you and the AI/Speed of AI |
| 21:35.07 | A1win | you mean like not letting the enemies enter/exit buildings? |
| 21:35.12 | Cookies | yes |
| 21:35.16 | Cookies | it stores them somewhere else |
| 21:35.25 | Cookies | they appear after the set time |
| 21:35.28 | A1win | that should be pretty easy then, just wondering how it'd affect gameplay |
| 21:35.45 | A1win | (I already have the AI at that point) :P |
| 21:35.54 | Cookies | :) |
| 21:36.01 | Cookies | keep it simple, as i always say |
| 21:36.11 | Cookies | and then POLISH THE F%%@# OUT OF IT |
| 21:36.21 | A1win | mm... I suppose it'd work |
| 21:36.28 | Cookies | it's a cheap and easy solution |
| 21:36.35 | A1win | the enemies don't return to their original points though |
| 21:36.55 | Cookies | maybe they aren't supposed to? |
| 21:36.55 | A1win | and if the area gets unloaded, they stop where they were when it did |
| 21:37.03 | A1win | so it's a bit weird |
| 21:37.13 | Cookies | hmmm... |
| 21:37.25 | Cookies | maybe you can record their original point? |
| 21:37.29 | Cookies | if they are not dead |
| 21:37.35 | Cookies | they will go back |
| 21:37.54 | Cookies | enemies shouldnt chase you for two rooms anyways |
| 21:37.57 | A1win | that could be abused too much I guess, more than the way it's now |
| 21:38.04 | Cookies | hmm... |
| 21:38.09 | Cookies | maybe you should work on that later... |
| 21:38.10 | Cookies | :P |
| 21:38.13 | A1win | they should probably teleport to the door the player exited, if they were following the player |
| 21:38.19 | Cookies | that works too |
| 21:38.37 | A1win | but then they keep gathering at the doors, which might suck slightly :P |
| 21:38.53 | Cookies | AI should have their own teleportation method |
| 21:39.01 | Cookies | their box should be bigger |
| 21:39.09 | Cookies | but only slightly |
| 21:39.13 | A1win | except that there's a short duration during which they don't attack you when they see you |
| 21:39.17 | A1win | oh yeah |
| 21:39.20 | A1win | I even have a threat system for them ;D |
| 21:39.24 | Cookies | :) |
| 21:39.24 | A1win | forgot about it already |
| 21:39.26 | Ashamed | http://offbeathome.com/2011/06/lego-walls |
| 21:39.30 | Ashamed | so doing that for my kid |
| 21:39.46 | A1win | haha |
| 21:39.49 | Cookies | THATS AWSOME! |
| 21:39.49 | Cookies | LOL |
| 21:39.57 | Cookies | Inb4IGetTrappedinLegoBox |
| 21:40.12 | A1win | then he grows up and wonders why the ground is below and not vertical |
| 21:40.25 | Cookies | :) |
| 21:40.31 | Cookies | Creator's Block -1 |
| 21:41.01 | Cookies | I've always been good at ideas |
| 21:41.05 | Cookies | Initiating them... |
| 21:41.09 | A1win | maybe I should start by loading the map in the editor :p |
| 21:41.13 | Cookies | Yup :P |
| 21:41.27 | *** join/#sc2mapster Durrean (~DurRean@dyndsl-095-033-071-219.ewe-ip-backbone.de) |
| 21:41.39 | Cookies | Quest Complete: Make Him Open Teh Map |
| 21:41.39 | Cookies | +150 XP |
| 21:41.53 | A1win | =P |
| 21:42.28 | Cookies | Pipe = Blocking Doors |
| 21:42.32 | Cookies | Crowbar = Opening Doors |
| 21:42.39 | Cookies | Both made from Metal(x2) + Duct Tape |
| 21:42.41 | Cookies | Ironic :P |
| 21:43.56 | A1win | yay it still works |
| 21:44.00 | Cookies | :D |
| 21:44.06 | Cookies | Now make a Pipe and Crowbar! |
| 21:44.32 | Cookies | Crowbar vs Pipe... hmmm.... |
| 21:45.25 | A1win | don't have an inventory system yet |
| 21:45.27 | Cookies | Crowbar breaks Pipe, but Pipe bends Crowbar... hmmm.... |
| 21:45.29 | Cookies | its good |
| 21:45.32 | Cookies | keep it simple :) |
| 21:45.39 | A1win | I made one for another map so I know how to... but probably needs a new one for this |
| 21:45.39 | Cookies | once youve gotten gameplay down |
| 21:46.13 | Cookies | 12 slot inventory? |
| 21:47.39 | Dustin | http://all-that-is-interesting.com/post/4956385434/the-first-zombie-proof-house |
| 21:48.02 | A1win | mmh not sure what kind of crafting system would be the best for this |
| 21:48.11 | Cookies | Item+Item = Item system |
| 21:48.19 | A1win | long lists of stuff feels odd after playing minecraft |
| 21:48.19 | Cookies | keep it simple |
| 21:48.33 | A1win | ah right, just combine two every time |
| 21:48.49 | Cookies | Metal + Metal = Metal(X2) |
| 21:49.02 | Cookies | Metal(X2) + Duck Tape = Two choices |
| 21:49.08 | Cookies | Pipe or Crowbar |
| 21:49.15 | Cookies | Crowbar opens locked doors |
| 21:49.17 | Cookies | Pipe blocks doors |
| 21:49.21 | Cookies | Crowbar kills pipe |
| 21:49.25 | Cookies | but Pipe kills Crowbar |
| 21:49.28 | Cookies | nuff said |
| 21:49.28 | A1win | bit weird to give choises after you've combined stuff |
| 21:49.37 | Cookies | okay... hmmm.. |
| 21:49.45 | Cookies | Plastic + Plastic = Plastic(x2) |
| 21:49.52 | A1win | *choice |
| 21:49.53 | Cookies | Plastic(x2) + DuckTape = Pipe |
| 21:50.07 | A1win | and having a "x2" item feels weird too :P |
| 21:50.15 | Cookies | how about the option to stack two items? |
| 21:50.20 | Cookies | in the Crafting slots? |
| 21:50.23 | Mexa_ | Zug, zug, okie dokie |
| 21:50.38 | Cookies | 12 inventory slots |
| 21:50.41 | Cookies | 3 crafting slots |
| 21:50.44 | A1win | oh I thought you were talking about a system without any slots |
| 21:50.51 | Cookies | u definately need slots |
| 21:50.58 | Cookies | or its not an inventory 0: |
| 21:51.02 | A1win | yeah sounds better |
| 21:51.08 | Cookies | simple 12 slot inventory |
| 21:51.14 | Cookies | items DO NOT stack |
| 21:51.19 | A1win | so 1) put stuff in crafting slots 2) see a list of what you can craft from them, click on list -> crafted item |
| 21:51.31 | Cookies | yup :) |
| 21:51.38 | A1win | the list usually being just one item |
| 21:51.42 | Cookies | yup |
| 21:51.43 | Cookies | or two |
| 21:52.00 | Cookies | or maybe |
| 21:52.03 | Cookies | a crafting list? |
| 21:52.16 | Cookies | a list that shows what you can craft |
| 21:52.21 | Cookies | when you click the item from the list |
| 21:52.27 | Cookies | u get the item and you lose the materials |
| 21:52.35 | Cookies | would simplify things quiet a bit |
| 21:52.42 | A1win | maybe |
| 21:52.48 | A1win | it just might become a very long list :P |
| 21:52.54 | A1win | unless it's done as icons D: |
| 21:53.03 | Cookies | it should only show what you can make |
| 21:53.11 | Cookies | the list should update |
| 21:53.15 | Cookies | say you can make a Pipe |
| 21:53.18 | A1win | so the inventory would be the "crafting slots" at the same time |
| 21:53.18 | Cookies | you have plastic |
| 21:53.23 | Cookies | yes |
| 21:53.26 | A1win | mmm |
| 21:53.35 | Cookies | its really just a list :) |
| 21:53.38 | A1win | like the crafting in WoW with the "have mats" flag toggled permanently on |
| 21:53.49 | Cookies | idk, i dont play wow :| |
| 21:53.52 | A1win | hehe |
| 21:53.58 | A1win | well it's a vertical list of names |
| 21:54.06 | A1win | you click on a name, it shows details (what it needs) |
| 21:54.12 | Cookies | something like that |
| 21:54.14 | A1win | then you click a button and it starts crafting it |
| 21:54.18 | Cookies | yes |
| 21:54.21 | Cookies | something around that |
| 21:54.25 | A1win | yupyup |
| 21:54.32 | Cookies | Metal + Pipe + Plastic = PISTOL |
| 21:54.50 | Cookies | no wait |
| 21:54.53 | Cookies | Tube |
| 21:54.56 | A1win | hehe |
| 21:54.59 | Cookies | Tube + Plastic = Pipe |
| 21:55.06 | A1win | not pistols, some more makeshift weapons... like a crossbow |
| 21:55.07 | Cookies | Tube, Plastic and Metal are raw |
| 21:55.12 | Cookies | sure, crossbow |
| 21:55.21 | Cookies | Tube + Metal = Crossbow |
| 21:55.23 | Cookies | no wait... |
| 21:55.27 | Ashamed | oh man |
| 21:55.29 | Ashamed | my day is half over |
| 21:55.31 | Ashamed | w00t |
| 21:55.37 | Cookies | :D |
| 21:55.46 | Cookies | Tube + Metal + String = Crossbow |
| 21:56.15 | Cookies | Tube + Metal = Arrow(x4) |
| 21:56.23 | Cookies | Stacks of 20 arrows |
| 21:56.32 | Cookies | 60's better though |
| 21:56.37 | A1win | mmh dunno |
| 21:56.41 | Cookies | same... |
| 21:56.46 | Cookies | we need an expert for this :P |
| 21:57.13 | Cookies | maybe you should make an SC2 Mapster thread? |
| 21:57.29 | A1win | well I already have one, we discussed this there a bit already |
| 21:57.40 | A1win | can't remember if I agreed on some idea though =P |
| 21:57.44 | A1win | should probably check it again |
| 21:57.46 | Cookies | *Looking* |
| 21:58.07 | *** join/#sc2mapster [1]Bibendus (~Bibendus@ip-80-67-114-201.static.adsl.cheapnet.it) |
| 21:58.27 | A1win | oh yeah I even have a name for the map |
| 21:58.34 | Cookies | really? |
| 21:58.35 | A1win | dunno if it's taken on other regions than EU though =p |
| 21:58.40 | Cookies | no wonder i couldn't find it... |
| 21:58.41 | A1win | it's called Still Alive atm |
| 21:58.48 | Cookies | OMFG! PORTAL REFERENCE!!! |
| 21:58.52 | Ashamed | yeah |
| 21:58.52 | A1win | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/project-workplace/15666-still-alive-a-survival-rpg/ |
| 21:58.53 | Ashamed | i was going to say that |
| 21:58.55 | A1win | hehe |
| 21:59.18 | Ashamed | is it suppose to be like a SIMS mock? |
| 21:59.30 | A1win | no ;p |
| 21:59.41 | Cookies | it uses a system of Generated rooms |
| 21:59.47 | Cookies | the engine itself is pretty unique |
| 21:59.49 | Ashamed | yes i see that |
| 21:59.57 | A1win | the graphics are placeholders |
| 22:00.00 | Ashamed | -.- yeah i am going to have something like that in my map as well |
| 22:00.04 | Ashamed | always a good idea |
| 22:00.15 | Cookies | inb4 SC2ID vs Island Defense wars again |
| 22:00.18 | Cookies | Gah! |
| 22:00.25 | Ashamed | simple things like that is what makes better maps >< |
| 22:00.33 | A1win | it supports hundreds of rooms atm, tested it with a few thousand and it went through though the generation took long |
| 22:00.35 | Ashamed | i dont udnerstand people that cant do simple things like this to save room in their maps |
| 22:00.49 | Cookies | how2saveroomsinmaps? |
| 22:00.53 | Cookies | Ashamed, wanna join the discussion? |
| 22:00.57 | Ashamed | lol |
| 22:00.58 | Cookies | We're working on the Crafting so far |
| 22:01.03 | Ashamed | well i am the one making a 0.02 map |
| 22:01.21 | Ashamed | 0.01* |
| 22:01.36 | Motive | Jademus, you sreg, up for Photon Cycles? |
| 22:01.39 | Motive | slaps JademusSreg around a bit with a large trout |
| 22:02.25 | Ashamed | break time |
| 22:02.37 | Cookies | i wonder if he's still here... |
| 22:04.45 | Ibebusiness | I imported a starcraft II model but it would not import the animation... |
| 22:04.53 | Ibebusiness | any idea? |
| 22:05.26 | Cookies | try again |
| 22:05.27 | Cookies | literally, try again |
| 22:05.33 | Cookies | sometimes the animations won't get through |
| 22:06.29 | A1win | oh yeah there's not much point in blocking doors if the enemies can't walk through them anyway |
| 22:06.29 | Cookies | @A1win - BRB 3-4 minutes, cooking Hot Pocket |
| 22:06.36 | Cookies | maybe barriers? |
| 22:06.39 | Cookies | instead of blocking doors |
| 22:06.45 | Cookies | make Physical barriers in the room |
| 22:06.51 | Ibebusiness | ive done it many times... |
| 22:06.51 | Cookies | the Entry shouldn't be doors |
| 22:06.51 | *** join/#sc2mapster Frostwind (~fhbjsdbkj@adsl-66-140-32-96.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) |
| 22:06.56 | Frostwind | hey |
| 22:07.00 | Cookies | they should be miniature rooms |
| 22:07.05 | A1win | mmh it's not very difficult to survive if the enemies can't follow you inside :P |
| 22:07.13 | Cookies | they can break doors? |
| 22:07.14 | A1win | needs a nutrition system or something |
| 22:07.22 | A1win | that keeps you exploring |
| 22:07.36 | Cookies | hmm... how about Health and Hunger and Pysche? |
| 22:07.39 | Ibebusiness | but then again, the import script does throw a non-stopping , error |
| 22:07.46 | Ibebusiness | could be that part of the script is bad? |
| 22:07.47 | Frostwind | anyone know how to copy the GroundLocalSelection actor and make it so its always yellow? |
| 22:07.52 | A1win | psyche like "sanity"? |
| 22:07.55 | Cookies | yes |
| 22:07.59 | Ibebusiness | when I load the script |
| 22:08.02 | Cookies | the main ones are Hunger and Pysche |
| 22:08.05 | A1win | yeah had planned something like that |
| 22:08.09 | Cookies | health is health, you lose health, you die |
| 22:08.14 | Cookies | Hunger leads to death |
| 22:08.19 | Cookies | Pysche will also end in death |
| 22:08.30 | Cookies | if you run out of Pysche, you will reach insanity |
| 22:08.35 | *** join/#sc2mapster Shard (~chatzilla@udp120032uds.hawaiiantel.net) |
| 22:08.43 | Cookies | Pysche is lossed by staying in one location too long |
| 22:08.51 | Cookies | Hunger is loss by not eating |
| 22:08.56 | Cookies | Health is loss by losing health |
| 22:09.00 | Cookies | Health is health, nuff said |
| 22:09.08 | A1win | heh |
| 22:09.28 | A1win | sanity is supposed to work by getting scared, I don't think it should decrease by staying in on location |
| 22:09.31 | A1win | hunger already takes care of that |
| 22:09.34 | Mephs | if you run out of semen you can no longer furthur your DNA, so you should also lose for that. |
| 22:09.37 | Cookies | ... |
| 22:09.38 | Cookies | 0_o |
| 22:09.42 | Cookies | Hello Mephs |
| 22:09.44 | Mephs | hi |
| 22:09.52 | Cookies | wanna join the discussion? |
| 22:10.06 | Mephs | no that was my input. good day |
| 22:10.06 | Frostwind | anyone know how to copy the GroundLocalSelection actor and make it so its always yellow? |
| 22:10.14 | Cookies | enter the Actor |
| 22:10.18 | Cookies | and set the color Tint |
| 22:10.33 | Cookies | you can also adjust the Scale |
| 22:11.17 | Cookies | im not sure where to find the tint though... |
| 22:11.21 | Cookies | brb 2 minutes, making Hot Pocket |
| 22:12.05 | A1win | oh |
| 22:12.10 | A1win | my AI was further done than I thought |
| 22:12.25 | A1win | the enemies don't forget me if I change rooms |
| 22:12.29 | A1win | only after the timer ends |
| 22:12.33 | Cookies | back |
| 22:12.35 | Cookies | thats cool |
| 22:12.37 | Cookies | A1win |
| 22:12.42 | Cookies | are you ready to continue the project? |
| 22:12.42 | A1win | so if I go out and back in, they still chase me :P |
| 22:12.48 | Cookies | if so, I'll post it on your thread |
| 22:12.49 | Cookies | and ressurect it |
| 22:12.55 | A1win | don't :P |
| 22:12.58 | Cookies | okay |
| 22:13.02 | Cookies | it can stay dead :P |
| 22:13.10 | Cookies | so |
| 22:13.15 | Cookies | the AI's pretty good |
| 22:13.27 | Cookies | you should lose Pysche by seeing allies die |
| 22:13.41 | Cookies | Seeing someone die = -10 Pysche |
| 22:13.44 | A1win | mm... and gain it by standing near other players or NPCs |
| 22:13.49 | Cookies | yup |
| 22:13.56 | Cookies | lose it by staying alone too long |
| 22:14.00 | A1win | oh yeah, someone had a good idea for lights |
| 22:14.06 | Frostwind | it didn't work, still uses the default color |
| 22:14.12 | Cookies | hmm... |
| 22:14.16 | Cookies | im not sure how to find tint then |
| 22:14.20 | Cookies | it was A LOT easier in WC3 imo |
| 22:14.25 | Cookies | anyhow |
| 22:14.31 | Cookies | the Lights system is from Amnesia |
| 22:14.37 | A1win | lights give you vision around them |
| 22:14.42 | A1win | so dark = fog of war |
| 22:14.43 | Cookies | :) |
| 22:15.00 | Cookies | light system sounds good |
| 22:15.07 | Cookies | Light should decrease your Pysche drop however |
| 22:15.11 | Cookies | not stop it completely |
| 22:15.18 | A1win | so then flashlights etc. increase your sight radius |
| 22:15.23 | Cookies | yup |
| 22:15.33 | A1win | not sure how to detect if a player is in "dark" though |
| 22:15.46 | Cookies | how about detecting if the player is not In the light instead? |
| 22:15.47 | A1win | since he always has some vision around himself anyway |
| 22:15.48 | Cookies | maybe |
| 22:15.52 | Cookies | Light should be a unit |
| 22:15.54 | Cookies | with a behavior? |
| 22:16.06 | Cookies | or a unit |
| 22:16.11 | Cookies | with a triggered radius? |
| 22:16.27 | A1win | that doesn't take line of sight into account |
| 22:16.38 | Cookies | hmm... |
| 22:16.43 | A1win | ah, I know |
| 22:16.47 | A1win | too easy =P |
| 22:16.51 | Cookies | how? |
| 22:16.58 | Cookies | if a unit has the Light buff |
| 22:17.03 | Cookies | it should have increased vision :P |
| 22:17.04 | A1win | give players vision of the lights, but not vision of the player to the lights |
| 22:17.07 | *** join/#sc2mapster MindWorX` (MindWorX@188.176.196.178) |
| 22:17.11 | Cookies | that works too :O |
| 22:17.14 | A1win | then I can just check if the "light" player can see the player |
| 22:17.20 | Cookies | :D |
| 22:17.21 | Cookies | lol! |
| 22:17.42 | Mexa_ | Hmph, I wonder why DialogControls have so called "triggerControl" properties. Why not DialogControl property? |
| 22:17.54 | Cookies | @Mexa - Iknorite? |
| 22:18.06 | Cookies | Blizzard organization is really bad :( |
| 22:18.11 | A1win | and I can do it by just controlling vision of the specific units, so they can both have shared vision toggled off.. and I can use the neutral player |
| 22:18.12 | Mexa_ | yup |
| 22:18.24 | Cookies | GJ A1win |
| 22:18.26 | A1win | and only give the neutral player vision from lights |
| 22:18.35 | Cookies | that's pretty good so far |
| 22:18.43 | Cookies | how's your creator's block going along? |
| 22:18.53 | Mexa_ | It gets even better when they call it Dialog Item in GUI too. |
| 22:19.00 | A1win | well I'm just getting ideas but haven't yet figured where to actually continue the map :P |
| 22:19.07 | Cookies | hmmm... |
| 22:19.08 | Cookies | :P |
| 22:19.24 | Cookies | maybe some buildings should start off dead? |
| 22:19.28 | Cookies | as in no electricity |
| 22:19.32 | A1win | mm |
| 22:19.42 | Cookies | mm |
| 22:20.00 | Cookies | -'- |
| 22:20.30 | Cookies | <('_')> This is your Character: He has three Attributes |
| 22:20.44 | Cookies | <('<) He has Health, Hunger and Pysche |
| 22:21.09 | Frostwind | anyone know how to copy the GroundLocalSelection actor and make it so its always yellow? |
| 22:21.10 | Cookies | <('_')> If any of these three go down, he will die |
| 22:21.15 | Cookies | <(x-x)> |
| 22:21.30 | Cookies | <(+_+)> Health is health, nuff said |
| 22:21.49 | Cookies | <(~_~)> Hunger is lost over time, he can eat food to fix it |
| 22:22.11 | Cookies | (>')><('<) Pysche is gained from being with allies or lights, without it, insanity kicks in |
| 22:22.42 | Cookies | <('_')><(x_x)> This is Still Alive |
| 22:23.43 | Ashamed | ahhh |
| 22:23.58 | Ashamed | i finally came up with the story of my rpg :) |
| 22:23.58 | Cookies | brb, om nom noming Hot Pocket |
| 22:24.03 | Ashamed | its going to involve robots |
| 22:24.13 | Ashamed | >< since that will be easy to do with sc2 |
| 22:24.34 | Shard | I just ate, thinking of hot pockets makes me want to puke |
| 22:24.38 | Ashamed | i am going to make a story of humans evolving into robots i think |
| 22:24.42 | Ashamed | yeah me too shard >< |
| 22:24.50 | Ashamed | yuk |
| 22:25.21 | Cookies | back :) |
| 22:25.48 | Cookies | *Waves steamy juicy hot pocket around* |
| 22:25.51 | Cookies | *OM NOM NOM* |
| 22:26.00 | A1win | hmm |
| 22:26.07 | Cookies | aww |
| 22:26.14 | Cookies | u missed the attributes animation i did |
| 22:26.18 | Cookies | *See Line above* |
| 22:26.22 | A1win | I could just randomize the locations of enemies inside rooms if a certain amount of time has elapsed since its last generation |
| 22:26.27 | A1win | *activation |
| 22:26.31 | A1win | err.. inactivation |
| 22:26.43 | Cookies | that's a pretty good idea |
| 22:26.47 | Nash|327 | hunger is lost over time? |
| 22:26.50 | Nash|327 | D_D |
| 22:26.54 | Cookies | OM NOM NOM |
| 22:26.57 | A1win | hehe |
| 22:28.00 | A1win | err... where did the zombie disappear O_o |
| 22:28.09 | Ashamed | a1win so you are doing like full dungions with that system? |
| 22:28.23 | A1win | hmm? |
| 22:28.33 | Ashamed | -.- like putting spawns and eveyrhting inside the buildings |
| 22:28.34 | Cookies | (>;_;)> <(x_<)<(Derp<) |
| 22:28.38 | A1win | yeah |
| 22:28.44 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 22:28.44 | Ashamed | do you think the setting of it effects the game play? |
| 22:28.49 | Ashamed | with the black all around you |
| 22:28.51 | Ashamed | and stuff like that |
| 22:29.00 | A1win | what do you mean? |
| 22:29.20 | Ashamed | i just feel like its hard to get someone to run through this area even though stuff changes |
| 22:29.25 | Ashamed | it still kinda all looks the same too |
| 22:29.42 | Ashamed | I could see it working well for just building interior becasue who cares.. |
| 22:30.03 | Ashamed | but if you have the majority of the game in this area i could see that getting quite borring |
| 22:30.28 | A1win | well there's the outdoors as well |
| 22:30.43 | Ashamed | yeah i saw.. but how much of these rooms do you utilize ? |
| 22:30.51 | A1win | lots ;p |
| 22:31.07 | Ashamed | percentage wise |
| 22:31.07 | Ashamed | how much are you in the rooms compared to the rest of the map? |
| 22:31.07 | Cookies | Net + Leather + String = Parachute(Lets you jump out windows!) |
| 22:31.07 | A1win | most of it probably |
| 22:31.13 | A1win | do you have any ideas how to make it less "boring"? |
| 22:31.21 | Ashamed | >< not trying to bust the system because i really like it... but i could see that being an issue |
| 22:31.22 | JademusSreg | When does Dreamhack start? |
| 22:31.35 | A1win | there will be different layouts for the buildings at least |
| 22:31.45 | Ashamed | i am not sure >< you would have to try to figure out a good doodad system |
| 22:31.45 | A1win | and different things inside them |
| 22:31.48 | Ashamed | where it really changes shit up |
| 22:32.00 | Cookies | that comes later |
| 22:32.13 | A1win | some stairways will be blocked by debris you can break with the proper tools |
| 22:32.14 | Cookies | Keep it simple, then when your done, POLISH THE F!@# OUT OF IT |
| 22:32.30 | Ashamed | but he needs to make sure it works first cookie >< |
| 22:32.39 | Cookies | Agreed |
| 22:33.02 | Ashamed | but yeah a1win i would try to work on something.. to keep it from being too repetitive |
| 22:33.32 | Ashamed | because thats pretty much how 8-bit gaming worked |
| 22:33.44 | Ashamed | and i dont see people too interrested in 8-bit gaming anymore :( |
| 22:33.54 | Cookies | Pacman is fun though :( |
| 22:33.55 | A1win | but yeah the room generator should be pretty flexible... just needs spots where it places a random doodad |
| 22:33.56 | JademusSreg | Oi, When does Dreamhack start? |
| 22:34.07 | Ashamed | jade it doesn't |
| 22:34.08 | Cookies | Tonight |
| 22:34.09 | Mexa_ | Jade, still 9hours from now or so. |
| 22:34.13 | Ashamed | they cancled it because they heard you wanted to watch it |
| 22:34.22 | Ashamed | brb |
| 22:34.23 | Ashamed | break :) |
| 22:34.27 | Ashamed | of course mexa knows |
| 22:34.37 | Mexa_ | :P it is in sweden too, after all. |
| 22:34.38 | Ashamed | seems strange you didnt wake up at 12:00 am this morning >< for the matches |
| 22:34.42 | Ashamed | oh it is |
| 22:34.44 | Ashamed | why so late then? |
| 22:34.45 | Cookies | Metal + Whetstone = Blade |
| 22:34.49 | Mexa_ | late? |
| 22:34.53 | Mexa_ | 9AM is quite early |
| 22:34.57 | Ashamed | oh -.- |
| 22:34.58 | Cookies | Pipe(x2) + Duct Tape = Pole |
| 22:35.02 | Cookies | Pole + Blade = Axe |
| 22:35.06 | Ashamed | i guess thats right about right |
| 22:35.10 | Ashamed | i was thinking more like 5 AM >< |
| 22:35.12 | Cookies | Pipe + Blade = Sword |
| 22:35.13 | A1win | wondering how I should place items randomly in areas... if they're just randomly on the floor, it might seem a bit weird |
| 22:35.23 | Cookies | Axe breaks doors, Sword breaks Zombies |
| 22:35.26 | Mexa_ | Ashamed, I mean it is 8½ hours til it's 9AM |
| 22:35.36 | Mexa_ | here. |
| 22:35.46 | Cookies | have items appear in Doodads |
| 22:35.56 | A1win | containers? |
| 22:35.59 | Cookies | for example, a Bookshelf might have Plastic and Metal in it |
| 22:36.00 | Mexa_ | 9h 10mDreamHack Summer |
| 22:36.04 | Cookies | yes, like Containers |
| 22:36.06 | Mexa_ | from now |
| 22:36.52 | Cookies | Wood, Plastic, Metal, Line and Tube are Raw |
| 22:36.57 | Cookies | Tube + Plastic = Pipe |
| 22:36.57 | A1win | should I somehow tell the players which containers still have items in them... might be annoying to go through the empty ones again and again if you happen to forget =p |
| 22:37.07 | Cookies | have the items have an Exclamation mark |
| 22:37.10 | Cookies | when you approach them |
| 22:37.21 | Cookies | It's a built-in model blizzard uses |
| 22:37.26 | A1win | mmh |
| 22:37.45 | Cookies | Wood, Plastic, Metal, Line, Tube and Leather |
| 22:38.05 | A1win | I wonder if I should have the containers to have an openable inventory or just throw all the stuff on the floor when you click on them :P |
| 22:38.14 | Cookies | Throw stuff ftw |
| 22:38.21 | Cookies | it increases the pace |
| 22:38.26 | Cookies | if your being chased... |
| 22:38.30 | A1win | mm I guess |
| 22:38.30 | Cookies | and a random inventory opens up... |
| 22:38.36 | A1win | yeah ;p |
| 22:39.04 | Cookies | Wood + Wood = Stick |
| 22:39.15 | Cookies | Stick + String = Bow |
| 22:39.24 | Cookies | Tube + Metal = Arrow(x4) |
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| 22:40.08 | Cookies | Tube + Plastic = Pipe: Pipes can lock doors and be used as weapons |
| 22:41.20 | Cookies | Metal: Metal can be used to sharpen other materials |
| 22:41.25 | Cookies | Metal + Metal = Blade |
| 22:41.32 | Cookies | Blade + Pipe = Sword |
| 22:41.41 | Cookies | HerpaDerp:) |
| 22:43.03 | Ibebusiness | stick + metal = arrow |
| 22:43.09 | Ibebusiness | not tube + metal |
| 22:43.39 | Cookies | Stick = Wood + Wood |
| 22:43.42 | Cookies | way too much wood |
| 22:43.53 | Cookies | :O |
| 22:43.59 | A1win | takes some skill to build a stick from two separate pieces of wood |
| 22:44.05 | Cookies | Lol! |
| 22:44.06 | Cookies | xD |
| 22:44.17 | Cookies | It's like asking How To Use Hat |
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| 22:44.31 | A1win | there's some weird bug in my AI |
| 22:44.35 | Cookies | ? |
| 22:44.44 | A1win | sometimes the enemies outside have disappeared when I come back out =p |
| 22:45.08 | Cookies | do you have a variable keeping the Origin location? |
| 22:45.20 | Cookies | maybe another variable has overritten it? |
| 22:45.23 | A1win | or maybe it's an unfinished feature... |
| 22:45.33 | Cookies | hmmm... *Scratches Invisible goatee* |
| 22:45.33 | A1win | the outdoors isn't degenerated, it's always there |
| 22:45.49 | A1win | I think it's trying to move the zombie inside but I haven't finished the code :P |
| 22:45.57 | A1win | if only I remembered any of this xD |
| 22:46.00 | Cookies | xD |
| 22:46.02 | A1win | it's quite a mess |
| 22:46.12 | Cookies | hmm... |
| 22:46.20 | Cookies | Wood + Wood = Stick, obviously |
| 22:46.29 | Cookies | Stick + Stick = ...? |
| 22:46.55 | Cookies | If wood makes stick and stick makes wood, what does stick + stick make? |
| 22:47.11 | A1win | nothing stopping you from crafting stuff from single items as well |
| 22:47.18 | Cookies | thats cool :) |
| 22:47.21 | A1win | so could have like wood = 2 sticks ;p |
| 22:47.27 | Cookies | hmmm :) |
| 22:47.30 | Cookies | Minecraft!!! |
| 22:47.32 | A1win | but dunno yet |
| 22:47.32 | A1win | hehe |
| 22:47.51 | Cookies | Metal --> Whetstone(x2) |
| 22:47.54 | Cookies | Whetstone + Metal = Blade |
| 22:48.09 | Cookies | Blade + Stick = Arrow(x4) |
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| 22:48.23 | tordy | what happeend to dark revanent |
| 22:48.30 | Cookies | he left like, 30 minutes ago |
| 22:49.30 | A1win | eh I have some weird triggers |
| 22:49.57 | Cookies | *Listening* |
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| 22:50.48 | tordy | oh man |
| 22:50.53 | tordy | wanted to ask how he did global scores |
| 22:51.13 | Cookies | global, as in all players together? |
| 22:51.41 | Cookies | have triggers record the score of players and have another add all the scores up |
| 22:52.47 | Cookies | awww man, i am TRIPPING over these Binary toys :D |
| 22:52.50 | Cookies | they're so AWSOME!!! |
| 22:53.43 | A1win | well here's one trigger that goes throgh all players and checks if the triggering unit was that player's character... as if someone else could control it than its owner =p |
| 22:54.00 | Cookies | Lol! |
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| 22:54.40 | mapman_ | guys, I RLY need to figure out how to do something |
| 22:54.51 | Cookies | hit it |
| 22:54.53 | Cookies | what do you need? |
| 22:55.06 | mapman_ | need to replace some shit in a whole trigger, with some other shit |
| 22:55.10 | mapman_ | for instance |
| 22:55.39 | mapman_ | create 4 roach at point....to create 5 ultralisk at point.. |
| 22:55.49 | mapman_ | without doing all of them 1 by 1 |
| 22:56.08 | Cookies | how many do you have? |
| 22:56.13 | mapman_ | cuz the create 4 roach is like 10 times in the trigger |
| 22:56.15 | A1win | err... and now the trigger stopped working when I "fixed" it |
| 22:56.27 | Cookies | ... 0_o |
| 22:56.29 | mapman_ | and i need to do that for multiple triggers |
| 22:56.41 | Cookies | have you tried looping your roaches? |
| 22:56.52 | Cookies | if you use a loop, that could help |
| 22:57.02 | mapman_ | yea |
| 22:57.06 | mapman_ | i cant |
| 22:57.07 | Cookies | array loops? |
| 22:57.08 | mapman_ | use a loop |
| 22:57.12 | Cookies | why? |
| 22:57.13 | mapman_ | in that situation |
| 22:57.16 | mapman_ | but |
| 22:57.25 | mapman_ | there are other parameters |
| 22:57.29 | mapman_ | with each of them |
| 22:57.36 | mapman_ | i mean other actions |
| 22:57.40 | mapman_ | that depend |
| 22:57.46 | mapman_ | on multipla parameters |
| 22:57.49 | mapman_ | different for each |
| 22:57.58 | mapman_ | so i rly need to find a way to swap everything |
| 22:58.10 | Cookies | i think you'll have to do it manually |
| 22:58.16 | mapman_ | wow... |
| 22:58.18 | mapman_ | no way |
| 22:58.22 | mapman_ | there MUST be a way |
| 22:58.25 | Cookies | 0_o |
| 22:58.29 | Cookies | what's the whole trigger? |
| 22:58.32 | Cookies | send me the map |
| 22:58.36 | Cookies | no wait, dont |
| 22:59.17 | mapman_ | i thought of extracting the script and modifying values and then reinserting the script |
| 22:59.23 | mapman_ | but i dont know how to do the latter |
| 22:59.28 | Cookies | hmmm... |
| 22:59.31 | tordy | why not |
| 22:59.39 | Vail | damn crashed |
| 22:59.46 | Cookies | *Scratches invisible Goatee* |
| 22:59.49 | Cookies | LOL |
| 22:59.54 | Cookies | the computer went to sleep xD |
| 23:01.10 | mapman_ | anyone? :( |
| 23:01.25 | Cookies | its gonna have to be manual :| |
| 23:01.39 | Cookies | In the mean time, direct your attention to this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbEXr9-5UjI&feature=fvwrel |
| 23:05.06 | A1win | I wonder if stuff got broken when I loaded the trigger module now that the game has gone through so many updates |
| 23:05.50 | Cookies | 0_o |
| 23:05.52 | Cookies | ... |
| 23:07.33 | Cookies | brb, chasing my cat... he's in the kitchen... *Sigh* |
| 23:08.11 | A1win | ah, silly me |
| 23:08.19 | A1win | now that I removed the loop that goes all players |
| 23:08.32 | A1win | I forgot to change "Picked Player" references to "Owner of (Triggering unit)" |
| 23:10.30 | Nash|327 | KITTUNS? |
| 23:12.00 | Cookies | I have a Mexican Cat... Named.... Gato... |
| 23:12.06 | Cookies | Laugh if you get the joke |
| 23:13.29 | Nash|327 | What if it's not funny? |
| 23:14.06 | A1win | yay works again... |
| 23:14.23 | Cookies | :D |
| 23:14.27 | Cookies | Useless trigger Begone! |
| 23:15.01 | A1win | can I disable order queueing somehow? |
| 23:15.17 | Cookies | use a custom movement system? |
| 23:15.20 | Cookies | thats all i know :P |
| 23:15.30 | Ashamed | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WANZBs8Za0Q |
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| 23:20.40 | TheAlmaity | Hey, we need 2 more for Team Monobattles on EU Map Night |
| 23:20.48 | Cookies | im in US T_T |
| 23:21.00 | TheAlmaity | :( |
| 23:24.30 | Ashamed | monobattle sounds no good :( |
| 23:24.39 | Ashamed | i dont want mono |
| 23:24.46 | Nash|327 | it's gimped melee |
| 23:24.57 | Ashamed | well still |
| 23:24.59 | Ashamed | i dont want mono |
| 23:25.00 | Nash|327 | has some novelty/lulz value |
| 23:25.56 | Cookies | ... |
| 23:34.29 | Cookies | well... STARCRAFT 2 TIME!!!! |
| 23:34.35 | Ashamed | no |
| 23:34.37 | Nash|327 | nevr |
| 23:36.12 | tordy | lagfest |
| 23:46.03 | A1win | <.< now I ended up trying to fix the AI anyway |
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| 23:51.31 | Frostwind | anyone know how to copy the GroundLocalSelection actor and make it so its always yellow? |
| 23:57.29 | tordy | lame |
| 23:57.46 | tordy | Cookies i meant outside |
| 23:58.35 | tordy | outside of the map, global ranking as if there was an external server storing stats |
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