| 00:10.40 | Vail | bother i think i have done this before but i i cant recall how to test when a unit moves to a point |
| 00:13.11 | Ibebusiness | is there any way to move a whole map/terrain/dodads, ect to another map? I have a map with a lot of data, and trigger, and would be a pain to move over... but if I could just switch my terrain... |
| 00:13.40 | Brainshack | copy and paste |
| 00:15.10 | Ibebusiness | tried that... doesnt do anything. Is there a certain brush or something I need selected? |
| 00:17.24 | Vail | great camera stutter... |
| 00:20.00 | Ibebusiness | o.O got it |
| 00:21.13 | IskatuMesk | you can possibly move the files manually with winmpq |
| 00:21.26 | IskatuMesk | pretty sure the terrain and doodads are stored in the mpq in a way that can be copied over like that |
| 00:21.31 | IskatuMesk | they were with wc3 IIRC |
| 00:23.47 | grenegg9 | so I can attach my model to my unit, but then how do i put an offset on that? |
| 00:25.09 | Nash|327 | wtf |
| 00:25.27 | Nash|327 | how do I make a validator that checks if unit has ability |
| 00:25.28 | Nash|327 | D; |
| 00:33.45 | Ashamed | you dont nash |
| 00:35.51 | Nash|327 | lies |
| 00:36.13 | Ashamed | http://www.epicmafia.com |
| 00:36.14 | Ashamed | ! |
| 00:38.03 | Nash|327 | I just did |
| 00:38.06 | Nash|327 | so nuts to you |
| 00:38.15 | Ashamed | no you didnt |
| 00:38.16 | Ashamed | you lie nash |
| 00:38.31 | Nash|327 | I am truths. |
| 00:38.38 | Ashamed | LIEZ |
| 00:47.07 | Vail | mog |
| 00:48.39 | grenegg9 | click on actors? |
| 00:59.56 | grenegg9 | [Quit: If you think nobody cares, try missing a few payments] |
| 01:01.20 | Rnuomer | =:O |
| 01:03.46 | Vail | gore |
| 01:08.27 | Brainshack | yeay finally making some progress on my map |
| 01:16.29 | Rnuomer | yay |
| 01:16.51 | Vail | Nice |
| 01:17.00 | Vail | i too am making process |
| 01:17.06 | Vail | er prgress |
| 01:22.37 | Vail | can some one tell how to rotate the camera a full circle around its taregt? |
| 01:37.57 | Vail | Brainshack: what are you getting done? |
| 01:45.34 | Vail | looks like my project is just dead in the water |
| 01:49.56 | Rnuomer | is it onew part you're stuck on? |
| 01:50.24 | Rnuomer | perhaps if you were able to move on to something else, you'll come up with a way to do what you're trying to do |
| 01:51.34 | Vail | i have moved on |
| 01:51.41 | Vail | nothing i try is working out |
| 01:51.47 | Vail | for anything |
| 01:52.29 | Rnuomer | =:( |
| 01:52.44 | Rnuomer | how ambitious are your goals? |
| 01:58.07 | Vail | right now its getting a camera to circle around its target 1 time |
| 01:58.25 | Vail | thats all i want and ive been trying to do it for an hour |
| 01:59.12 | Rnuomer | just using the data editor? |
| 01:59.23 | Vail | no triggers |
| 02:00.01 | Rnuomer | hmm |
| 02:00.08 | Rnuomer | when is the circling to take place? |
| 02:00.16 | Vail | i have the camera property trigger and im using it to apply rotation but the farthest it will rotate is 180 degrees from its orginal position .. |
| 02:01.55 | Vail | between a fade in and an order to move |
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| 02:15.00 | Brainshack | Vail: my final fantasy like combat system |
| 02:15.09 | Brainshack | still far from being finished |
| 02:15.15 | Brainshack | but im gettig closer^^ |
| 02:17.19 | Brainshack | Vail what exactly do you want to achieve with your camera movement? |
| 02:17.42 | Vail | circiling around the target once basically |
| 02:18.07 | Rnuomer | did you try using 2 cameras? |
| 02:18.10 | KizzunsInVain | question... |
| 02:18.28 | KizzunsInVain | You guys know of that doodad halo ring thingy? |
| 02:18.45 | KizzunsInVain | its rotates around the map? |
| 02:18.53 | KizzunsInVain | pretty big thing |
| 02:18.58 | Brainshack | y |
| 02:19.14 | Ibebusiness | would I be able to attach something to it |
| 02:19.18 | Ibebusiness | like a platform? |
| 02:19.37 | Ibebusiness | I want to be able to jump on it, and go up with it |
| 02:19.42 | Ibebusiness | and snipe newbs from it |
| 02:20.03 | Ibebusiness | (seriously high powered rifle) |
| 02:20.16 | Brainshack | dunno |
| 02:20.20 | Ibebusiness | hmm |
| 02:20.22 | Ibebusiness | kk |
| 02:20.38 | Vail | when i use multiple cameras i get terrible camera jitter |
| 02:20.52 | Ibebusiness | Has anyone attempted to attach anything to a moving object, that units could get onto? |
| 02:21.08 | Ibebusiness | Like a ship |
| 02:21.40 | A1win^ | sounds difficult if you want them to be able to move while on it |
| 02:22.31 | Ibebusiness | kk |
| 02:23.15 | Brainshack | gonna go to bed |
| 02:23.22 | Vail | later |
| 02:23.29 | Brainshack | however, i like the idea Ibebusiness |
| 02:23.33 | Brainshack | would be cool stuff |
| 02:23.47 | Brainshack | basically its possible to walk on doodads |
| 02:24.11 | Brainshack | maybe things could be done with triggers |
| 02:24.13 | Brainshack | dunno |
| 02:24.33 | Brainshack | gnight |
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| 02:25.16 | Ibebusiness | kk |
| 02:25.17 | Ibebusiness | thanks |
| 02:25.21 | Ibebusiness | will get on it |
| 02:27.22 | A1win | if you just want the feeling of being on something moving, might be easiest to just use a terrain with see-through bottoms like the spacestations, and make a skybox model that moves below |
| 02:28.43 | Ibebusiness | er... no.. Cant do that, but thanks |
| 02:28.58 | Ibebusiness | needs to be realistic, and more than one person will be playing |
| 02:29.06 | Ibebusiness | to the unit needs to be really moving |
| 02:29.43 | A1win | does it need to move relative to the vehicle or can it just be attached to it in a static point? |
| 02:34.32 | Vail | why does sc2 editor hate me so.. |
| 02:35.59 | Vail | seems like with every "update" the editor hates me more and more |
| 02:36.22 | A1win | you're not treating it well |
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| 02:41.59 | Vail | its not a digipet ... |
| 02:42.08 | Vail | its a tool |
| 02:42.20 | Vail | a set of them rather |
| 02:42.42 | A1win | yet it still hates you |
| 02:43.04 | Ibebusiness | I havnt gotten an update in forever... you must be talking about some other editor? |
| 02:43.19 | Vail | no |
| 02:43.28 | Ibebusiness | and the unit needs to actually stand on the moving platform as the platform moves around |
| 02:43.34 | Vail | perhaps ive been neglecting my project too much |
| 02:43.53 | Ibebusiness | I guess moving around on the platform would be to much |
| 02:44.01 | Ibebusiness | but being stationary would be a beginning |
| 02:45.01 | A1win | well, they already have thor attached to the medivac, so at least it's possible on some level |
| 02:45.32 | Vail | i may just go and make some more dead marine doodads... |
| 02:46.19 | Ibebusiness | but thats unit on unit... |
| 02:46.27 | Ibebusiness | can you do the same unit on doodad? |
| 02:46.59 | Vail | can you even have moving doodads? |
| 02:48.12 | Ibebusiness | damn the xel'naga model doesnt have any attachment points... |
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| 02:48.34 | Bounty | How many of you would spend 10 cents for a shot to win a 60 dollar game |
| 02:48.42 | Ibebusiness | me |
| 02:48.46 | Vail | same here |
| 02:49.06 | Bounty | hmm |
| 02:49.10 | Ibebusiness | I would pay 1$ without tripping |
| 02:49.23 | Bounty | i may start doing giveaways soon :) |
| 02:49.28 | Ibebusiness | but then the odds of winning |
| 02:49.31 | Vail | a possible 600% return on investment ... id go for that |
| 02:49.39 | Bounty | the odds of winning are based on how many people enter |
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| 02:49.46 | Bounty | i would be doing it through my blog |
| 02:49.59 | Bounty | i just thought it was a good idea |
| 02:50.09 | Bounty | and the mroe people enter, the more copies i giveaway |
| 02:50.34 | Ibebusiness | Is anyone skilled enough to pop a few attachments points to the xel'Naga in a short amount of time? I dont want to take anyones time |
| 02:50.43 | Ibebusiness | xel'naga halo |
| 02:50.48 | Bounty | so you guys think its a good idea? :) |
| 02:50.52 | Ibebusiness | yes |
| 02:50.57 | Bounty | i just have to do the legal research lol |
| 02:51.16 | Bounty | Not sure if its legal in the US to charge entry fees for contests |
| 02:51.30 | Ibebusiness | your not in the us... |
| 02:51.36 | Ibebusiness | so... the rules wouldnt apply to you |
| 02:51.43 | Ibebusiness | your local rules... I would assume? |
| 02:52.04 | Bounty | i am in the US |
| 02:52.07 | Ibebusiness | ah |
| 02:52.09 | Bounty | lol |
| 02:52.18 | Ibebusiness | Your doing a drawing ... |
| 02:52.19 | Bounty | i dont see why it would be illegal though |
| 02:52.22 | Bounty | yeah |
| 02:52.24 | Bounty | but |
| 02:52.26 | Bounty | heres the kicker |
| 02:52.42 | Bounty | the more people enter, the more copies of the game ill give away |
| 02:52.51 | Bounty | so say im giving away Magicka (10 dollar game) |
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| 02:52.56 | Bounty | and i have 15 bucks in entries |
| 02:53.03 | Bounty | ill make it 2 copies |
| 02:53.05 | Bounty | so the more people enter |
| 02:53.08 | Bounty | the more chances to win =P |
| 02:53.37 | Ibebusiness | 10 cents would take ALOT people pitching in... to even get near 10$ |
| 02:53.42 | Bounty | the only problems im having atm are legal issues and paypal |
| 02:53.51 | Bounty | like, could people just chargeback their entries if thye lost |
| 02:54.00 | Ibebusiness | yes... could |
| 02:54.00 | Bounty | well yeah im not expecting to generate shit loads of money overnight =P |
| 02:54.03 | Ibebusiness | thru paypal |
| 02:54.05 | Bounty | gotta spend money to make money |
| 02:54.15 | Ibebusiness | but not many would bitch over 10 cents |
| 02:54.19 | Ibebusiness | or a dollar |
| 02:54.36 | Vail | bother and more bother |
| 02:54.39 | Bounty | is there anyway to make it so it specificaly states that the payment was for an entry in a drawing |
| 02:54.50 | Ibebusiness | what program do I use to make attachment points for a model from starcraft II? |
| 02:54.58 | Ibebusiness | yes |
| 02:55.01 | Ibebusiness | on the invoice |
| 02:55.10 | Bounty | just make them say Contest Entry? |
| 02:55.13 | Ibebusiness | you can state what the "service" or "goods" were |
| 02:55.44 | Vail | ibe you would need 3ds and the importer im sure |
| 02:55.54 | Ibebusiness | kk |
| 02:55.56 | Ibebusiness | will get on it |
| 02:57.06 | Ibebusiness | and the importer, a name please? |
| 02:57.28 | Vail | i dont know the name but i believe its by NiNtoxicated |
| 02:58.47 | Ibebusiness | and the exporter? none? |
| 02:59.32 | Ibebusiness | googled it |
| 02:59.34 | Ibebusiness | does both |
| 02:59.35 | Ibebusiness | thanks |
| 03:01.22 | Vail | it does not handle ribbons or particles as far as i have heard |
| 03:02.12 | Vail | sigh ... |
| 03:05.49 | Ibebusiness | I just need attachments |
| 03:06.06 | Ibebusiness | its claims to do particle emitters? |
| 03:08.06 | Vail | ah that may have been added in since i last say it |
| 03:08.19 | Ibebusiness | its in the change log so yea :p |
| 03:08.33 | Ibebusiness | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:08.33 | Ibebusiness | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:08.33 | Ibebusiness | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:08.33 | Ibebusiness | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:08.33 | Ibebusiness | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:10.00 | Vail | nice |
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| 03:21.44 | Vail | i give uo... |
| 03:21.46 | Vail | up |
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| 03:30.39 | Ibebusiness | I am using the snow tileset thats in galaxy... How do I get rid of the green tint? |
| 03:31.02 | Vail | no clue i could never even get the terrain to show |
| 03:31.47 | Ibebusiness | lol |
| 03:31.51 | Ibebusiness | There is a tut for it. |
| 03:31.57 | Ibebusiness | I have the full terrain set |
| 03:31.58 | Ibebusiness | :P |
| 03:32.16 | Ibebusiness | even the snowing weather (white ash) |
| 03:33.56 | mind_spark | anyone here know a lot about beams and chaining attacks? |
| 03:35.54 | Ibebusiness | I hate myself |
| 03:36.46 | mind_spark | why? |
| 03:37.29 | Ibebusiness | I thought I somehow lost all my doodads |
| 03:37.39 | Ibebusiness | so i loaded up an 20 minute old map |
| 03:37.47 | Ibebusiness | just to realize right after I clicked load |
| 03:37.55 | Ibebusiness | that I had the doodads hidden |
| 03:38.07 | Ibebusiness | I had just did a bunch of map work |
| 03:38.18 | Ibebusiness | so i went back for nothing |
| 03:38.47 | Vail | ouch |
| 03:39.01 | Vail | ive done similar before |
| 03:39.24 | Vail | looks like i am going to have to set up a couple of variables |
| 03:39.49 | Ibebusiness | I hope making attachment points isnt that hard... only need to do this once... for now |
| 03:40.44 | Vail | if you want to add attachment points to the models them selves you will need to add bones in 3ds using blizzards nameing conventions |
| 03:40.54 | Vail | i think |
| 03:41.41 | Ibebusiness | hmmm... from the previewer I dont see ANY bones, or attachment points........ |
| 03:41.53 | Ibebusiness | and its a fully rotations huge model... |
| 03:42.24 | Ibebusiness | so I would be starting from scratch? |
| 03:42.33 | Vail | they wont sure in the previewer only when loaded into 3ds |
| 03:42.34 | Ibebusiness | rotational* |
| 03:42.47 | Vail | er wint show |
| 03:42.50 | Vail | wont god |
| 03:42.58 | Ibebusiness | I can see if "bones" are with the model... |
| 03:43.15 | Ibebusiness | I cant see them but they give me a list |
| 03:43.20 | Ibebusiness | this model doesnt |
| 03:43.55 | Vail | if the model has no bones then you will have to add them and likely match them to the models existing animations |
| 03:44.08 | Ibebusiness | wimpers |
| 03:44.13 | mind_spark | bah, hate when that happens |
| 03:44.58 | Vail | there may be another way how ever... you may be able to use site operation actors to add a other actors the one you intend to use |
| 03:45.32 | Ibebusiness | hmmm but you have to have at least one attachment point right? this model doesnt even have one. |
| 03:46.15 | Vail | i think you can specify an X,Y and Z value on the base actor to which the additional actors can be bound |
| 03:46.51 | Ibebusiness | but the platforms wouldnt be in sync with the halo model... |
| 03:47.07 | Ibebusiness | I would be using a ton of triggers to even try that... |
| 03:47.32 | Ibebusiness | It would give me my "attachemnt" points, but not the rotation of the model. |
| 03:48.09 | Vail | hm |
| 03:48.10 | Ibebusiness | Plus I hate siteops data stuff... Ill try 3dsmax, will be something new for me to learn |
| 03:48.19 | Vail | ok |
| 03:48.58 | Ibebusiness | bones... lol. |
| 03:49.57 | mind_spark | anyone have any idea why a chain beam would suddenly jump back to the unit that shoots it? |
| 03:50.20 | Vail | actor events are not correct likely |
| 03:50.31 | Vail | or launch and impact locations |
| 03:50.42 | Vail | for the effects |
| 03:51.47 | Ibebusiness | your return event |
| 03:51.49 | Ibebusiness | is wrong |
| 03:52.07 | Ibebusiness | there was a tut, for spine crawlers attached to a bruta |
| 03:52.13 | Ibebusiness | and you had to set it up to "return" |
| 03:52.22 | Ibebusiness | your case, you would not set it up to return |
| 03:54.22 | mind_spark | k |
| 03:54.24 | mind_spark | hmm |
| 03:55.44 | mind_spark | well launch locations are set to previous search effect |
| 03:56.47 | mind_spark | where do i set return event or whatever it is? |
| 03:57.02 | Ibebusiness | looking give a sec |
| 03:58.23 | mind_spark | impact location should be target unit/point right? |
| 03:58.28 | Vail | i think i need to sacirfice something on the alter of ProzaicMuze in order to summon the great one back |
| 03:58.44 | mind_spark | hehe, was his tutorial i was following |
| 03:58.58 | Vail | i need help with a validator |
| 03:59.45 | mind_spark | i'd help if i had any knowhow bout that area |
| 03:59.53 | Vail | thanks |
| 04:00.12 | mind_spark | but i'm kinda new with the editor |
| 04:00.38 | Vail | yeah ive been using the editor since beta and im still scatching the surface of what it can do |
| 04:01.15 | Vail | the coolest think i have made is an automated refinery that spawns an automated mineral harvester |
| 04:01.36 | mind_spark | hehe |
| 04:01.55 | mind_spark | so an automated refinery auto harvests gas? |
| 04:02.11 | Ibebusiness | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/tutorials/4284-data-the-uberlisk/ |
| 04:02.23 | Vail | it autoharvests has while its harvester auto harvests minerals |
| 04:02.41 | Vail | gas |
| 04:03.12 | Vail | it basically produces a truck that moves between its self and the minerals and absorbs minerals and releases them at the harvester |
| 04:03.18 | Vail | i mean at the refinery |
| 04:03.19 | Ibebusiness | are you using signals in your events? |
| 04:03.41 | Ibebusiness | Signal |
| 04:03.41 | Ibebusiness | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:03.41 | Ibebusiness | Signal |
| 04:03.41 | Ibebusiness | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:04.25 | Ibebusiness | this chain beam, when it jumps back does it do damage to you? |
| 04:04.27 | Vail | maybe some one with some programing back ground could help me make since of this validator ... |
| 04:04.42 | Ibebusiness | well start explaining |
| 04:05.09 | Vail | its the enumerate area validator and i am just pluing in random settings |
| 04:05.16 | Vail | because i have no clue how it works |
| 04:05.23 | Vail | pluging * |
| 04:05.35 | Ibebusiness | where and what do i need to create to see what you see? |
| 04:06.01 | mind_spark | i use stuff like animation play (name: ect stuff yeah |
| 04:06.16 | Ibebusiness | yes but in particular, the Return animation? |
| 04:07.02 | mind_spark | dunno |
| 04:07.11 | Ibebusiness | er check? |
| 04:07.20 | Vail | what tutorial are you following mind? |
| 04:08.04 | Ibebusiness | vail, what data object are you using that uses this validator? |
| 04:08.15 | Vail | a behavior |
| 04:08.50 | Vail | i need a behavior to be disabled when there are 27 of a unit in a given range of the spawning unit |
| 04:08.51 | mind_spark | and no, it does not do damage to me |
| 04:08.51 | Ibebusiness | what is the validator type? |
| 04:08.58 | Vail | enumerate area |
| 04:09.09 | Vail | and the unit valdator is for a custom unit |
| 04:09.49 | mind_spark | there's no return: in the anim play thin |
| 04:09.49 | Ibebusiness | k, the search area is set to unit radius? |
| 04:09.50 | Vail | but i have no idea how the applicable count fields and their methods interact |
| 04:10.11 | Vail | it set to extend by unit radius .. |
| 04:10.45 | Ibebusiness | what are your search filters set to? |
| 04:11.07 | mind_spark | standard |
| 04:11.19 | mind_spark | exclude: dead, invunrable, missile, ect |
| 04:11.41 | mind_spark | and exclude: (none:target) |
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| 04:11.59 | Ibebusiness | try excluding castor |
| 04:12.05 | mind_spark | tried, did not help |
| 04:12.14 | mind_spark | i actually think it fucked it up more |
| 04:12.16 | mind_spark | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/tutorials/3939-data-working-with-beams-beginner-difficulty/#posts |
| 04:12.26 | mind_spark | the effects are pretty much after this tutorial |
| 04:12.45 | mind_spark | tried excluding caster and source, neither helped |
| 04:13.20 | mind_spark | brb testing with caster tho |
| 04:14.51 | Ibebusiness | says to set exclude to target...? for the lightning tower |
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| 04:15.34 | Ibebusiness | and you unchecked ally/player from the include? |
| 04:15.38 | mind_spark | yep |
| 04:15.50 | Ibebusiness | and exclude is set to target? |
| 04:16.21 | mind_spark | yep |
| 04:16.31 | Ibebusiness | how many beams do you have? |
| 04:16.31 | mind_spark | the ally/player is the filters tho |
| 04:16.35 | mind_spark | 4 at max |
| 04:16.45 | Ibebusiness | so you have 4 seperate beams?\ |
| 04:17.07 | mind_spark | yeh |
| 04:17.22 | mind_spark | and 3 search effects |
| 04:18.15 | mind_spark | thing is, it doesent allways fire back at unit, only occasionally |
| 04:18.29 | mind_spark | seems it has something to do with positioning of enemies/targets |
| 04:19.13 | Ibebusiness | have you tried disabling the last beam and seeing if it works? |
| 04:19.14 | mind_spark | so i removed teh offset by angle thingy |
| 04:19.41 | Vail|Sleep | later folks |
| 04:19.44 | Ibebusiness | later |
| 04:20.32 | Ibebusiness | have you tried disabling the last beam and seeing if it works? |
| 04:21.46 | mind_spark | disabled, and still hit back at me |
| 04:22.26 | mind_spark | got 4 lings runnin towards me, 3 chains and it kills 2 and hits back at me, and same with last two |
| 04:22.55 | Ibebusiness | You should have more than 4 effects... |
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| 04:23.18 | Ibebusiness | a set/search/damage for each chain |
| 04:23.22 | Ibebusiness | except the last one |
| 04:23.39 | Ibebusiness | which should only be damage |
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| 04:23.52 | Bounty | http://videogamegiveaways.blogspot.com/ |
| 04:23.55 | Bounty | :) |
| 04:24.01 | mind_spark | i do |
| 04:24.03 | Bounty | tell me wut u guyz think |
| 04:24.30 | Ibebusiness | I have to see the data |
| 04:24.38 | mind_spark | got set one (damage/search), set two (damage/search), set three (damage/search), and damage last |
| 04:24.43 | mind_spark | k |
| 04:24.51 | mind_spark | should i send u the map? |
| 04:24.54 | Ibebusiness | yes |
| 04:50.54 | JademusSreg | What the hell? |
| 04:51.44 | JademusSreg | I'm pretty sure your lottery is illegal in a small handful of US state. |
| 04:52.44 | JademusSreg | Also, I don't see the purpose. |
| 04:54.49 | tordy | Dogmai: !! |
| 04:55.01 | Dogmai | yea? |
| 04:55.35 | tordy | do you discourage using stuff like picked integer / picked unit etc |
| 04:55.50 | JademusSreg | =\ |
| 04:56.04 | Dogmai | no |
| 04:56.07 | Dogmai | i dont use player groups |
| 04:56.08 | JademusSreg | Pick Each loops in GUI can bug if nested because they use loop natives. |
| 04:56.11 | Dogmai | but thats my personal choice |
| 04:56.25 | Dogmai | because it gives me more control |
| 04:56.42 | Dogmai | but, if you were to do pick each unit in unit group, then yea its alright |
| 04:56.57 | Dogmai | cause i believe, for you to work around it, is a pain in the ass |
| 04:57.40 | JademusSreg | So long as you do not nest the Pick Each loops, they woun't cause problems. |
| 04:58.02 | JademusSreg | *won't |
| 04:58.03 | tordy | i use local variables when i nest loops |
| 04:58.20 | Bounty | JademusSreg |
| 04:58.23 | Bounty | its not illegal |
| 04:58.25 | Bounty | lol |
| 04:58.28 | tordy | ur illegal |
| 04:58.29 | Bounty | it is in Canada though |
| 04:58.41 | JademusSreg | http://pastebin.com/wFm9yD3U |
| 04:58.57 | Bounty | every person ive talked to says its a good idea |
| 04:59.14 | Bounty | 25 cents to enter a drawing for a game worth like 20000000000000x times that |
| 04:59.27 | Bounty | and the more people that enter, the more copies that are given away |
| 04:59.39 | JademusSreg | Lotteries are not good ideas for those who would be entrants. |
| 04:59.57 | JademusSreg | But it makes no difference to me. |
| 05:00.03 | Bounty | you have pretty good odds at winning in this though lol |
| 05:00.33 | JademusSreg | For what purpose do you organize this though? |
| 05:00.48 | Bounty | just felt like giving shit away |
| 05:00.50 | Bounty | i wouldnt make much money |
| 05:01.02 | Bounty | because of the whole "the more that enter the more that gets given away" thing |
| 05:01.15 | tordy | mmmmmmm |
| 05:01.23 | Bounty | like 99% of the money used to enter would go towards the games |
| 05:01.46 | JademusSreg | 99%? Haha |
| 05:01.50 | JademusSreg | And the other 1%? |
| 05:01.56 | Bounty | me lol |
| 05:01.58 | Bounty | i think thats fair |
| 05:02.31 | JademusSreg | Ought to be more transparent about your methods on the site. |
| 05:02.37 | Bounty | its kinda of like a jackpot method |
| 05:02.42 | Bounty | kind of* |
| 05:02.51 | Bounty | what do you mean? |
| 05:02.58 | Bounty | =P |
| 05:04.20 | JademusSreg | Detail the legal restrictions, document the cut you take, and explain the extent to which the lottery funds are transparent, if at all. |
| 05:05.04 | Bounty | well yeah i just made this tonight :) |
| 05:05.14 | Bounty | i gotta get all the legal stuff together |
| 05:05.23 | Bounty | its pretty much a prize pool though |
| 05:05.34 | Bounty | with alot higher chances then hitting the lottery lol |
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| 05:06.14 | Bounty | the only legal restrictions i know of are that i cant take the money and run lol |
| 05:06.29 | tordy | what are ya buyin? |
| 05:06.38 | Bounty | http://videogamegiveaways.blogspot.com/ |
| 05:06.45 | Bounty | depends on the poll results |
| 05:06.53 | JademusSreg | 7 US states appear to prohibit lotteries on the face of it. |
| 05:07.03 | Bounty | what states? |
| 05:07.05 | Bounty | lol |
| 05:07.18 | Bounty | and its not really a lottery |
| 05:07.23 | Bounty | its a prize pool |
| 05:07.31 | JademusSreg | It is the very definition of a lottery. |
| 05:07.34 | Bounty | like if we all chipped in a dollar into a pool |
| 05:07.42 | Bounty | and one of us wins that pot |
| 05:07.46 | Bounty | thats legal |
| 05:07.48 | Bounty | lol |
| 05:08.32 | Bounty | or you could look at it the other way |
| 05:08.40 | Bounty | its a Sweepstakes with an entry fee |
| 05:08.51 | JademusSreg | Right. A lottery. |
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| 05:09.03 | Bounty | well its legal as far as i know |
| 05:09.20 | JademusSreg | Makes no difference to me, in consequence. |
| 05:09.42 | JademusSreg | The consequences, if any, are not mine to bear. |
| 05:09.47 | Bounty | well you're the first that i know of to not like the idea :) |
| 05:09.53 | Bounty | then again, i know you dont like gambling at all |
| 05:09.59 | JademusSreg | Correct. |
| 05:13.20 | JademusSreg | My preferences are irrelevant though. |
| 05:14.07 | JademusSreg | Some states' laws prohibit participation, just thought you should know. |
| 05:14.30 | Bounty | like i said |
| 05:14.40 | Bounty | ill have to go in depth into the legal stuff so i can write up the disclaimer |
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| 05:29.48 | tordy | run away!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 06:21.00 | tordy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:20.29 | Frostwind | hi |
| 07:20.46 | Frostwind | anyone know how to move Data Editor stuff from a map to a mod? |
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| 07:32.19 | Frostwind | anyone alive? |
| 07:43.00 | tordy | im alive |
| 07:45.10 | Frostwind | I guess you have no idea how? |
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| 08:18.03 | Snap-au | wow, shut up everyone your chatting to much |
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| 09:02.01 | Mexa | hello |
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| 09:47.10 | Ibebusiness | fail |
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| 10:04.50 | hello__ | hey ppl |
| 10:04.53 | hello__ | good morning |
| 10:05.15 | hello__ | :L |
| 10:07.36 | Ibebusiness | monin |
| 10:07.53 | hello__ | hey |
| 10:08.35 | hello__ | if anyone knows how to display text to a single player without having to put this this player in a personal player group I would gladly listen to you |
| 10:10.57 | Ibebusiness | er you can call a player from a playergroup without putting a player in a group |
| 10:11.13 | Ibebusiness | player x from playergroup (activeplayers) |
| 10:11.25 | Ibebusiness | its like basically saying player x |
| 10:11.34 | Ibebusiness | stupid gui stuff really |
| 10:12.18 | hello__ | no you cant use the that |
| 10:12.25 | hello__ | cuz you must return a player group |
| 10:12.27 | hello__ | for some reason |
| 10:12.57 | hello__ | thats kinda gay |
| 10:13.12 | hello__ | oh well |
| 10:13.35 | Ibebusiness | your not returning a player group per se... |
| 10:13.40 | hello__ | look at the display text function |
| 10:13.43 | Ibebusiness | what are you trying to do? |
| 10:13.51 | hello__ | distplay a text msg |
| 10:13.52 | Ibebusiness | okay... |
| 10:13.55 | hello__ | to a specific player |
| 10:13.57 | hello__ | but |
| 10:13.59 | Ibebusiness | I do it all the time |
| 10:14.05 | hello__ | i dont want to make a player group for each player |
| 10:14.13 | Ibebusiness | you dont... |
| 10:14.28 | hello__ | ok then how do you do?? :S |
| 10:14.40 | hello__ | it only lets me return a player group |
| 10:15.05 | hello__ | well "select" rather |
| 10:15.05 | Ibebusiness | define return? |
| 10:15.08 | Ibebusiness | ah |
| 10:15.11 | hello__ | hehe |
| 10:15.18 | Ibebusiness | yes, you click on the player group |
| 10:15.24 | Ibebusiness | and find the function |
| 10:15.27 | Ibebusiness | um gimie a sec |
| 10:15.31 | hello__ | ok |
| 10:15.35 | hello__ | tks |
| 10:16.25 | Ibebusiness | playergroupsingle |
| 10:16.31 | Ibebusiness | and then pick the player you want |
| 10:16.53 | Ibebusiness | can be a variable or a hard coded number |
| 10:16.57 | hello__ | this is not an option |
| 10:17.02 | hello__ | what function did you use? |
| 10:17.17 | hello__ | display text? |
| 10:17.21 | Ibebusiness | press control d in the main trigger window and open the function list again |
| 10:17.48 | Ibebusiness | aka convert player to playergroup |
| 10:18.01 | hello__ | what does ctrl D do |
| 10:18.06 | Ibebusiness | there are two ways to view the editor |
| 10:18.10 | Ibebusiness | advance and normal mode |
| 10:18.11 | hello__ | oh |
| 10:18.20 | Ibebusiness | advanced uses different naming |
| 10:18.27 | Ibebusiness | more "programatic" naming |
| 10:18.35 | Ibebusiness | normal is more user friendly |
| 10:18.44 | hello__ | oh shit |
| 10:18.46 | hello__ | tks bro |
| 10:18.47 | Ibebusiness | so convert player to player group, or playergroup single |
| 10:18.49 | hello__ | i didnt even know that |
| 10:18.49 | Ibebusiness | yup |
| 10:18.59 | Ibebusiness | np |
| 10:19.26 | hello__ | tks a lot ^^ |
| 10:19.35 | Ibebusiness | lol |
| 10:19.44 | Ibebusiness | btw, if you go into the data editor and press control d |
| 10:19.49 | Ibebusiness | you get some crazy abilities |
| 10:19.58 | Ibebusiness | you can fuck some shit up too |
| 10:20.17 | Ibebusiness | instead of drop down menues and pop ups you get to RAW edit fields |
| 10:20.19 | Ibebusiness | :P |
| 10:20.20 | hello__ | its weird that they dont put that option in the normal veiew mode |
| 10:20.27 | Ibebusiness | lol |
| 10:20.28 | Ibebusiness | its there |
| 10:20.29 | hello__ | o rly |
| 10:20.31 | Ibebusiness | just a different name |
| 10:20.34 | Motive | Ctrl +D = Raw Data View |
| 10:20.39 | Motive | ie, all the IDs, not the editor-friendly names |
| 10:20.47 | hello__ | o i see |
| 10:20.47 | Motive | you'll be looking at the galaxy natives for the most part |
| 10:20.48 | Ibebusiness | its either convert player to player group, or player group single |
| 10:20.53 | Motive | and some libNtve functions |
| 10:20.56 | Ibebusiness | depends on what raw mode you have on |
| 10:21.12 | Motive | PlayerGroupSingle(playerId) |
| 10:21.18 | Motive | is for a 1-player player group |
| 10:21.22 | Ibebusiness | yup |
| 10:21.30 | Motive | PlayerGroupSingle being a Galaxy native. |
| 10:21.31 | Ibebusiness | so is the convert player to player group |
| 10:21.39 | Ibebusiness | lol |
| 10:21.45 | Ibebusiness | I thought I was talking to hello |
| 10:21.46 | Motive | "Convert Player to Player Group" is just the editor friendly name for "PlayerGroupSingle" |
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| 10:22.15 | Ibebusiness | hey motive, long shot question |
| 10:22.34 | Ibebusiness | do you know how to use 3dsmax to make attachment points for a model? |
| 10:22.43 | Motive | no damn clue. :P |
| 10:22.49 | Ibebusiness | kk |
| 10:22.55 | Motive | I'm a programmer, I can't draw a circle, much less model anything |
| 10:22.56 | Motive | xD |
| 10:23.00 | Ibebusiness | me too |
| 10:23.08 | Ibebusiness | but I really need it lol |
| 10:23.39 | hello__ | oh yea i just notice |
| 10:23.47 | hello__ | but the way the tip is written |
| 10:24.02 | hello__ | it suggests thats iits only to call a player group, inwhich a player is |
| 10:24.10 | Ibebusiness | it does |
| 10:24.20 | hello__ | oh well, now i konw |
| 10:24.24 | Ibebusiness | it calls a playergroup containing the single player you want |
| 10:24.29 | Ibebusiness | lol |
| 10:24.44 | hello__ | well it allows you to pick a player in the player group |
| 10:24.56 | Ibebusiness | its just an odd way of doing it |
| 10:25.04 | Ibebusiness | but its really calling for a playergroup |
| 10:25.05 | hello__ | yea |
| 10:25.11 | hello__ | anyways |
| 10:25.16 | hello__ | it works :) |
| 10:25.22 | Ibebusiness | anytime |
| 10:25.43 | Ibebusiness | just spent over 6 hours with mind_spark over a chain effect weapon |
| 10:25.45 | Ibebusiness | grrr |
| 10:25.59 | Ibebusiness | stupid exclude fields |
| 10:27.35 | Ibebusiness | how comes my mirc window demands to stay in the foreground unless i shrink it |
| 10:27.47 | Ibebusiness | it just started doing this crap a few hours ago wth |
| 10:28.38 | Ibebusiness | brb |
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| 10:29.38 | Ibebusiness | nope didnt work |
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| 10:32.49 | Ibebusiness | so cool I didnt know mirc keeps logs of all your chats |
| 10:33.10 | Ibebusiness | anyways, does anyone know why my window demand to stay in the forground? |
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| 10:34.30 | Ibebusiness | lol |
| 10:34.32 | hello__ | uhm |
| 10:34.34 | Motive | there's a setting for that iirc |
| 10:34.40 | hello__ | it happens to me once in a while |
| 10:34.40 | Motive | dunno where but it's in there |
| 10:34.41 | Motive | lol |
| 10:34.52 | hello__ | windows bug |
| 10:35.05 | hello__ | so i restard the program |
| 10:35.19 | Ibebusiness | didnt work |
| 10:36.07 | Ibebusiness | shit now im stuck in fullscreen |
| 10:36.08 | Ibebusiness | fail |
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| 10:37.29 | Ibebusiness | would you believe this shit, im stuck in mirc fullscreen |
| 10:37.35 | Motive | lawl |
| 10:37.40 | Ibebusiness | only ctrl alt delete will work |
| 10:37.54 | Ibebusiness | fuck ill be back gotta force close |
| 10:39.23 | hello__ | reboot |
| 10:39.24 | hello__ | then you know what you have to do |
| 10:39.24 | hello__ | :D |
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| 10:41.34 | Ibebusiness | grrr |
| 10:41.46 | hello__ | a unit is automaticly removed from unit group is it in when it dies right? |
| 10:41.47 | Ibebusiness | had to google how to get out of full screen |
| 10:41.51 | hello__ | lol |
| 10:41.58 | Ibebusiness | idk |
| 10:42.02 | Ibebusiness | that answer |
| 10:42.05 | Ibebusiness | but I would assume |
| 10:42.15 | Ibebusiness | that garbage collection does it for you |
| 10:42.26 | Ibebusiness | you could always try |
| 10:42.32 | Ibebusiness | a test trigger, and kill a unit |
| 10:42.41 | hello__ | yea i could |
| 10:42.43 | Ibebusiness | and use the event to remove the unit from the group |
| 10:42.49 | hello__ | my comp is slow though and it takes time |
| 10:42.50 | Ibebusiness | if you get an error you know its already gone |
| 10:45.43 | Hobrow|Dhugal | can someone help me with this error: WARNING: Can only create one CActorAction per effect |
| 10:47.17 | Hobrow|Dhugal | im having 2 different weapons, with different damage effects |
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| 10:47.54 | Hobrow|Dhugal | only connection to each other is that i remove the first and add the second to a unit |
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| 10:49.58 | hello__ | guys |
| 10:50.01 | hello__ | i got another one |
| 10:50.03 | XenoX101_a | hey Skizot |
| 10:50.04 | XenoX101_a | you there? |
| 10:50.14 | hello__ | if you create 5 units |
| 10:50.27 | hello__ | and then use the "last created unit" function |
| 10:50.49 | hello__ | will it apply on all units you created on that action |
| 10:50.54 | hello__ | or just one of them |
| 10:51.05 | hello__ | it seems to act on only one of them |
| 10:51.10 | hello__ | from what i just tested |
| 10:51.23 | hello__ | but problem could be from somewehre else |
| 10:51.30 | Hobrow|Dhugal | use for last created units do |
| 10:51.53 | Ibebusiness | only the last one |
| 10:52.17 | hello__ | oh shit |
| 10:52.20 | hello__ | i found it |
| 10:52.22 | hello__ | you have to use |
| 10:52.23 | Ibebusiness | hobrow seems to have the answer |
| 10:52.34 | hello__ | unit group |
| 10:52.35 | hello__ | and then |
| 10:52.40 | hello__ | last created unit group |
| 10:52.41 | hello__ | :D |
| 10:52.52 | Ibebusiness | but you didnt create a unit group? |
| 10:52.57 | Ibebusiness | you created units.... |
| 10:53.30 | Ibebusiness | <Hobrow|Dhugal> use for last created units do |
| 10:53.31 | hello__ | sorry, "last created units" |
| 10:53.36 | Ibebusiness | ah |
| 10:53.45 | hello__ | sometimes i dont wright what im thinking |
| 10:53.48 | Ibebusiness | cool I just learned another thing lol |
| 10:53.49 | hello__ | lol |
| 10:54.17 | Ibebusiness | but I have a question for that |
| 10:54.35 | hello__ | ok BUT |
| 10:54.37 | Ibebusiness | say you create 5, and use your unit group thing |
| 10:54.42 | Ibebusiness | what if you make 5 more? |
| 10:54.45 | Ibebusiness | and do it again |
| 10:54.53 | Ibebusiness | will it add all 10? or just the last 5? |
| 10:55.16 | hello__ | it says "add unit x from (last created units) to whateverunitgroup |
| 10:55.22 | hello__ | how do i make this "all" |
| 10:55.29 | hello__ | I have to pick a value |
| 10:55.31 | hello__ | :( |
| 10:55.35 | Ibebusiness | loop? |
| 10:55.41 | Ibebusiness | <Hobrow|Dhugal> use for last created units do |
| 10:56.09 | hello__ | yea i guess ill put a loop |
| 10:56.17 | hello__ | omg this is complicated for nothing |
| 10:57.24 | Hobrow|Dhugal | if you want to make some kind of unit spawner, you should use functions, saves a shitload of triggers |
| 10:58.16 | hello__ | uhm |
| 10:58.29 | hello__ | oh yea |
| 10:58.34 | hello__ | good idea |
| 10:58.38 | Ibebusiness | lol |
| 10:58.44 | hello__ | this chat is awesome |
| 10:58.47 | hello__ | :D |
| 10:58.56 | Hobrow|Dhugal | have fun xD |
| 10:59.08 | Hobrow|Dhugal | getting used to the syntax takes a while :D |
| 10:59.16 | Hobrow|Dhugal | messed around with them last night |
| 10:59.36 | Hobrow|Dhugal | for my upgrade system |
| 11:00.02 | Ibebusiness | I FOUND IT |
| 11:00.04 | Ibebusiness | dammit |
| 11:00.18 | Ibebusiness | right click on the header of the window |
| 11:00.27 | Ibebusiness | and the option "on top" was clicked |
| 11:00.34 | hello__ | lol |
| 11:00.35 | Ibebusiness | little bastard, how did I do that |
| 11:00.43 | Hobrow|Dhugal | but in stead of having 48 tiggers and 48 variables, i now have 10triggers, 2functions and 3variables :D |
| 11:01.19 | Hobrow|Dhugal | 9[Ibebusiness9] little bastard, how did I do that hotkey? :P |
| 11:01.35 | Ibebusiness | hmmm |
| 11:01.38 | Ibebusiness | hotkey... |
| 11:02.37 | tordy | hello |
| 11:03.20 | Hobrow|Dhugal | hi |
| 11:03.21 | Ibebusiness | fizzizle homie wuzz up? |
| 11:04.25 | hello__ | hi |
| 11:04.55 | Mexa | hmz |
| 11:04.55 | Motive | optimization ftw |
| 11:05.18 | Ibebusiness | you know I only use gui, and ive never had the editor crash like other people say happens alot... |
| 11:05.19 | Ibebusiness | odd |
| 11:05.29 | Motive | I've never had the editor crash |
| 11:05.29 | Motive | Lol |
| 11:05.47 | Motive | then again I don't really trigger in it. I use Notepad++ and a test map. |
| 11:06.06 | Ibebusiness | I would constantly have issues if I typed my triggers |
| 11:06.15 | Motive | it's fun :) |
| 11:06.17 | Motive | https://github.com/Motive/CortexEngine/commits/ |
| 11:07.50 | Hobrow|Dhugal | thats this roleplaying engine where you can whatever you want? |
| 11:07.54 | Motive | yes |
| 11:07.55 | Ibebusiness | lol that header update |
| 11:08.09 | Ibebusiness | explain his roleplaying engine? |
| 11:08.13 | Ibebusiness | this* |
| 11:08.24 | Motive | roleplay engine is basically like gary's mod for SC2, sort of |
| 11:08.25 | Motive | sandbox engine |
| 11:08.40 | Ibebusiness | er... |
| 11:08.40 | Hobrow|Dhugal | as far sa i know, you have comamnds to addunits and stuff.... everyunit |
| 11:09.09 | Ibebusiness | sandbox engine? |
| 11:09.13 | Ibebusiness | garys mod? |
| 11:09.18 | Motive | you can do whatever you want, in SC2 |
| 11:09.19 | Ibebusiness | man am i missing out |
| 11:09.30 | Ibebusiness | could I hide in a dumpster? |
| 11:09.32 | Motive | it's been coined the multiplayer SC2 editor |
| 11:09.33 | Motive | :p |
| 11:09.57 | Ibebusiness | could I interact with any item I want? |
| 11:10.09 | Motive | what do you mean? |
| 11:10.29 | Ibebusiness | im more confused by what this engine "can" do... |
| 11:11.25 | Griffenator | It should include an interpretter for a coding language. |
| 11:11.33 | Griffenator | Build a VM into a VM. |
| 11:12.01 | Motive | Lol |
| 11:12.03 | Motive | I was going to try |
| 11:12.03 | Motive | xD |
| 11:12.32 | Motive | But essentially |
| 11:12.37 | Motive | you can use it to build whatever you want |
| 11:12.38 | Motive | http://www.cortexrp.com/forums/download/file.php?id=160&mode=view |
| 11:12.44 | Motive | All of that was user-made, in-game. |
| 11:12.51 | Motive | The renames, the fog, the buildings, all that |
| 11:13.16 | Ibebusiness | cant you do that in data editor? |
| 11:13.26 | Ibebusiness | how much space does this add to the map size? |
| 11:13.47 | Motive | err |
| 11:13.55 | Motive | the point is it's in-game, and for fun w/ other people |
| 11:13.58 | Motive | map editor isn't multiplayer |
| 11:13.58 | Motive | :p |
| 11:14.04 | Motive | and this doesn't significantly change the map size |
| 11:14.26 | Ibebusiness | you mean I can mod stuff in game? |
| 11:14.29 | Ibebusiness | while playing? |
| 11:15.13 | Motive | Here's another one |
| 11:15.14 | Motive | http://imgur.com/horOYl&FnQdQ&3dNDu&CH2hZ&CMkqm?full |
| 11:15.14 | Motive | Yes |
| 11:15.23 | Motive | All those dead corpses, sandbags, all that. User made. |
| 11:15.31 | Motive | Crashed ships, too |
| 11:16.16 | Ibebusiness | so its kina like in halo, where you could build your "map" |
| 11:16.28 | Ibebusiness | or sauerbraten coop edit mode? |
| 11:16.28 | Motive | I dunno |
| 11:16.30 | Motive | http://imageshack.us/f/196/protosstower.jpg/ |
| 11:16.34 | Motive | can also do that. |
| 11:16.55 | Motive | I've had it called the minecraft of SC2, also, but I think minecraft's a bit different |
| 11:16.56 | Motive | Lol |
| 11:17.02 | Mexa | http://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2010/12/15/the-top-50-passwords-you-should-never-use/ oh you people :v |
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| 11:17.56 | Motive | http://i56.tinypic.com/261nfxi.jpg |
| 11:17.58 | Motive | that's not a custom unit |
| 11:18.04 | Motive | that's a siege tank a player used commands on to turn it into that |
| 11:18.20 | Motive | looks like they used HDR and an attach |
| 11:18.24 | hello__ | hey guys you know why when I use pan camera function it only brings the camera to the point at which the custom camera POINTS instead of the camera view itself |
| 11:18.42 | Mexa | Motive, looks very oversaturated |
| 11:18.48 | Motive | yeah a bit. |
| 11:18.50 | Motive | still interesting though |
| 11:18.50 | Motive | Lol |
| 11:19.00 | Mexa | Indeed |
| 11:19.06 | hello__ | nice tanks bro |
| 11:19.18 | Ibebusiness | okay, a few more ?'s. Would this be worth learning to using in my FPS map? |
| 11:19.34 | Ibebusiness | if yes, where do i download it? |
| 11:19.41 | Motive | we're even having progress adding WoW stuff in |
| 11:19.42 | Motive | http://imgur.com/rJlOV&KWXSU&GaCng&vjAo0&YbhDq |
| 11:19.45 | hello__ | someone should make a fps tank war |
| 11:19.48 | Ibebusiness | and is there an example map I can download and play to try it out"? |
| 11:19.56 | Motive | you can't use it to make a map, Ibebusiness |
| 11:20.01 | Motive | its' just there as a sandbox |
| 11:20.04 | Motive | or an open source project for modding |
| 11:20.14 | Motive | you can try any map with a name like "Cortex Roleplay" |
| 11:20.57 | hello__ | anyone red my question ? :( |
| 11:21.34 | Motive | I thought this was amazing |
| 11:21.35 | Motive | http://www.cortexrp.com/forums/download/file.php?id=58&mode=view |
| 11:21.47 | Motive | looks like minor HDR use, attach, scale, and height changing |
| 11:21.49 | hello__ | http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_VSrnkiWaqSQ/TMdBQsCZScI/AAAAAAAAAZI/r7M0LAXkxW0/s320/forever+alone+face.png |
| 11:21.53 | Motive | made a truly awesome battle fleet |
| 11:21.55 | Motive | :P |
| 11:23.41 | Ibebusiness | 76mb's!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 11:23.44 | Ibebusiness | wtf? |
| 11:23.53 | Motive | ? |
| 11:24.04 | Ibebusiness | cortex roleplay a map on bnet |
| 11:24.11 | Motive | lol |
| 11:24.15 | Motive | must be one of the maps that has a lot of custom stuff |
| 11:24.20 | Ibebusiness | hmmm |
| 11:24.21 | Motive | try "Cortex Roleplay - Swamp" that one's pretty vanilla |
| 11:24.35 | Ibebusiness | what does vanilla mean? plain? |
| 11:24.41 | Motive | only original SC2 stuff |
| 11:24.43 | Motive | no custom models |
| 11:24.55 | Ibebusiness | already at 50% |
| 11:24.57 | Ibebusiness | its cool |
| 11:25.12 | Motive | keep in mind its fairly difficult to learn |
| 11:25.53 | Ibebusiness | how nice... so |
| 11:26.01 | Ibebusiness | how to you run it? chat commands? |
| 11:26.04 | Motive | you can start off simple like: |
| 11:26.06 | Motive | @spawn marine |
| 11:26.07 | Motive | yeah |
| 11:26.09 | Motive | all through in-game chat |
| 11:26.17 | Ibebusiness | fuzz nuts |
| 11:26.19 | Motive | you can also chain commands into series. |
| 11:26.20 | Motive | ex: |
| 11:26.26 | Motive | @spawn marine; @scale 3 |
| 11:26.33 | Motive | it'll figure out you mean to scale the marine you just spawned |
| 11:27.01 | Mexa | wow rips huh |
| 11:27.57 | Motive | I only do the engines. map authors decide what else goes in |
| 11:28.02 | Motive | they're pretty creative though. |
| 11:28.24 | Mexa | Especially when they didn't think up of the creativity themselves, right? |
| 11:28.27 | Mexa | ;o |
| 11:28.37 | Motive | well I mean it's not like we can expect them to make their own models |
| 11:28.37 | Motive | Lol |
| 11:28.54 | Mexa | I hope when the marketplace comes out, this will be the case |
| 11:28.55 | Motive | creativity in Cortex is more along the lines of how you combine existing things to make new ones |
| 11:29.44 | Mexa | I see th grayzone that using other Blizzard assets in sc2.. at some extent |
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| 11:29.57 | Mexa | But I would be much more impressed if it was something custom |
| 11:30.29 | Motive | meh |
| 11:30.32 | Motive | like I said, I'm a programmer |
| 11:30.35 | Motive | leave the art to the artists |
| 11:30.36 | Motive | Lol |
| 11:30.51 | Mexa | well, they're hardly even artists now, are they? |
| 11:31.06 | hello__ | hey guys you know why when I use pan camera function it only brings the camera to the point at which the custom camera POINTS instead of the camera view itself |
| 11:31.07 | hello__ | o.o |
| 11:31.19 | Motive | in some cases, I'd argue that they are |
| 11:31.19 | Motive | :p |
| 11:31.55 | Mexa | I know, I don't know exactly what they do so:> But on that subject |
| 11:32.15 | Motive | At least, my favorite terrainer, Piekan is. He's done some amazing terrains. |
| 11:32.23 | Mexa | sure |
| 11:32.47 | Motive | we have our own weekly terraining exercises and stuff |
| 11:32.47 | Motive | :) |
| 11:32.54 | hello__ | anyone here made a map that is on first two pages? |
| 11:33.09 | Motive | <--- |
| 11:33.12 | hello__ | which? |
| 11:33.18 | Motive | Cortex |
| 11:33.23 | Mexa | on EU? |
| 11:33.24 | hello__ | o rly |
| 11:33.26 | hello__ | nice |
| 11:33.26 | Motive | US |
| 11:33.31 | Mexa | pewp |
| 11:33.35 | Motive | no clue where it is on EU |
| 11:33.41 | Motive | the maps are there |
| 11:33.45 | yuizy | not that popular |
| 11:33.46 | Motive | just not the popularity, at least as much |
| 11:33.51 | hello__ | you know yeti? |
| 11:34.13 | Mexa | Motive, how big is your group? |
| 11:34.21 | Motive | what do you mean? |
| 11:34.33 | Motive | I don't really have a team. I only work on the CortexEngine source code. |
| 11:34.37 | Motive | I release that, and a guide for making maps out of it |
| 11:34.40 | Motive | and sort of let them loose. |
| 11:35.19 | Motive | since Cortex is a creative map, it made sense to let people terrain their own maps and play on them, too. |
| 11:35.31 | Motive | WC3 that was the #1 complaint, not letting people terrain their own maps, too. |
| 11:35.58 | Mexa | [13:32] <Motive> we have our own weekly terraining exercises and stuff |
| 11:36.00 | Mexa | well that |
| 11:36.21 | Motive | well |
| 11:36.24 | Mexa | I figured that meant you are a few people working on the project |
| 11:36.35 | Motive | we have an "inner circle" of awesome people |
| 11:36.35 | Motive | :P |
| 11:36.36 | Motive | http://www.cortexrp.com/forums/terrains/terrain-trick-of-the-week-week-2-textures-again-t2087.html |
| 11:36.47 | Motive | that's piekan's texture tutorial |
| 11:36.53 | Motive | should prolly port that to mapster sometime |
| 11:37.35 | Mexa | alright |
| 11:37.53 | Mexa | Your source code? Is is galaxy with no extension? |
| 11:38.06 | Mexa | That's my last question of the day |
| 11:38.07 | Mexa | lol |
| 11:38.08 | Motive | I was going to use extensions originally but I determined none of them were reliable enough for production use |
| 11:38.12 | Motive | so it's 100% raw Galaxy, yes. :) |
| 11:38.20 | Mexa | Alrighty |
| 11:38.24 | Mexa | Sounds tideous tho:P |
| 11:38.27 | Motive | People don't give Galaxy the credit it deserves. It's not great but it's better than GUI by a long-shot. |
| 11:38.36 | Mexa | Oh, I know that |
| 11:38.37 | Motive | Organizing by file is fun too. |
| 11:39.00 | Mexa | GUI has never been my taste either |
| 11:41.49 | Motive | It's just all an experiment really |
| 11:42.00 | Motive | afaik this is the first open source SC2 map. |
| 11:42.06 | Motive | at least, that's actually available and all that stuff |
| 11:45.59 | yuizy | can everything in galaxy be done with custom scripts? |
| 11:46.34 | yuizy | (i'm new to the map editing business, and i find the trigger system too slow and 'obnoxious') |
| 11:46.38 | Motive | technically, yes |
| 11:46.46 | Motive | but I recommend 100% galaxy, all the time |
| 11:47.16 | yuizy | the custom script is part of galaxy :p |
| 11:47.19 | Motive | yes |
| 11:47.23 | Motive | but it's clunky and inside the GUI |
| 11:47.53 | Mexa | If I used GUI, I would use custom script for at least everything related to calculations |
| 11:48.20 | Motive | yeah |
| 11:48.22 | Motive | GUI is just painful for math |
| 11:48.48 | yuizy | using the trigger system is like programming with selecting each word from a huge list of words with mouse |
| 11:49.02 | Motive | speaking of which, why on Earth in that "Triggering best practices" thread, do they say make a local variable for every parameter, rather than changing params? |
| 11:49.07 | yuizy | not very effective |
| 11:49.17 | Motive | Since Galaxy is 100% pass-by-value, there's no harm in changing the params |
| 11:49.24 | Mexa | Motive, I guess they want "consistency" |
| 11:49.29 | Motive | that's stupid |
| 11:49.30 | Motive | Lol |
| 11:49.33 | Mexa | I know |
| 11:49.59 | Motive | function stupid($blah) { |
| 11:50.05 | Motive | $lv_blah = $blah; |
| 11:50.05 | Motive | } |
| 11:50.10 | Motive | look guys, im being safe and consistent ;) |
| 11:50.35 | Mexa | My interpretation of what he meant was that "it's now going to be faster to copy paste your own actions, before altering them" |
| 11:50.40 | Mexa | Like a sort of template |
| 11:51.07 | yuizy | isn't that more like oo programming if you do that |
| 11:51.07 | Deaod | ignore the "Triggering best practices" thread |
| 11:51.12 | Motive | not really. |
| 11:51.15 | Deaod | its for fucking GUI |
| 11:51.23 | Motive | OO programming would be badass |
| 11:51.23 | Motive | :P |
| 11:51.38 | Mexa | Deaod, indeed :> |
| 11:52.05 | Deaod | and i dont even agree with it |
| 11:52.13 | yuizy | how are custom maps done without gui? |
| 11:52.19 | Motive | you know it's bad when you can't agree with the "best practices" thread |
| 11:52.20 | Motive | Lol |
| 11:52.33 | yuizy | hehe |
| 11:52.33 | Deaod | yeah |
| 11:52.42 | Motive | just flat-text files containing code, yuizy |
| 11:52.57 | yuizy | sounds simple enough |
| 11:52.58 | Motive | the main entry point for my map is here: |
| 11:52.58 | Deaod | wait, what GUI are we referring to? |
| 11:53.00 | Motive | https://github.com/Motive/CortexEngine/blob/master/Cortex.galaxy |
| 11:53.01 | yuizy | should try that |
| 11:53.02 | Motive | libcrtx_InitLib() |
| 11:53.17 | Mexa | You can write galaxy directly in the trigger editor, without the need of triggers, conditions and action |
| 11:53.21 | Deaod | theres a GUI for pure galaxy in the editor. |
| 11:53.27 | Mexa | The problem here is that the editor is puking at you |
| 11:53.29 | Deaod | but it sucks. |
| 11:54.06 | yuizy | yeah i meant 'how do i do maps with actual program |
| 11:54.08 | yuizy | ming' |
| 11:54.17 | Mexa | Motive, we all wish for namespaces aren't we? |
| 11:54.27 | Motive | fuck yes |
| 11:54.30 | Motive | I need some fucking namespaces |
| 11:54.50 | Motive | Utility::GetSpawnPosition beats the shit out of my current system |
| 11:54.50 | Motive | :/ |
| 11:55.03 | Mexa | mm:> |
| 11:55.03 | Motive | well |
| 11:55.07 | Motive | Cortex::Utility::GetSpawnPosition |
| 11:55.07 | Motive | :P |
| 11:55.29 | Mexa | And also beneficial, since you don't have to write out the entire path when you are in the local namespace |
| 11:55.34 | Motive | yup |
| 11:55.36 | Deaod | Cortex.Utility.GetSpawnPosition is much better |
| 11:55.51 | Motive | I disagree. |
| 11:55.54 | Mexa | C# or C++ wise, not very much deal or difference |
| 11:55.56 | Deaod | :) |
| 11:56.02 | Motive | If we ever get OO syntax, it'd be ambiguous |
| 11:56.22 | Motive | also Galaxy is C-inspired, so it'd make sense for a more C++-like approach |
| 11:56.42 | Mexa | Probably |
| 11:57.05 | Mexa | I'd by that time, stop using static as private |
| 11:57.12 | Mexa | *private file scope |
| 11:57.13 | Motive | xD |
| 11:57.30 | Deaod | oh yeah |
| 11:57.47 | yuizy | can i convert my custom map into code file(s) in galaxy editor? |
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| 11:58.04 | Motive | it'd just get spit out as MapScript.galaxy. one ugly file of death |
| 11:58.36 | yuizy | oh |
| 11:58.37 | yuizy | ok |
| 11:59.42 | Mexa | Until the time comes where someone makes a galaxy->GUI |
| 11:59.52 | Deaod | which is impossible |
| 11:59.56 | Mexa | is it? |
| 12:00.18 | Deaod | yeah, youd have to get the naming down in galaxy to be able to convert it unambiguously |
| 12:00.23 | Mexa | So, triggers->galaxy is one way? |
| 12:00.30 | Mexa | well yeah |
| 12:00.34 | Mexa | It wouldn't be exact |
| 12:00.35 | Deaod | same as with WC3 |
| 12:00.35 | Motive | I don't think it'd be imposible to convert them. |
| 12:00.37 | Motive | I mean theoretically. |
| 12:00.50 | Motive | the code would probably get progressively worse but it'd compile |
| 12:01.41 | Mexa | It was more of something I could think of someone at d3scene would make to recover the triggers on locked maps. |
| 12:02.31 | Mexa | derp |
| 12:02.40 | Deaod | well, if the MapScript doesnt contain custom galaxy |
| 12:02.59 | Motive | Nah |
| 12:03.04 | Motive | even if you had custom Galaxy it should still be possible to convert |
| 12:03.15 | Mexa | the custom galaxy could be implemented as a custom script section in the editor, I would imagine in thatcase |
| 12:03.17 | Motive | GUI can technically do everything Galaxy can, I mean. |
| 12:03.33 | Deaod | nope, GUI only allows direct values as array sized |
| 12:03.36 | Deaod | sizes |
| 12:03.49 | Deaod | galaxy also allows constant variables |
| 12:03.50 | Motive | well, other than that |
| 12:03.59 | Motive | we can just resolve that anyways |
| 12:04.03 | Motive | just replace constants with their values |
| 12:04.09 | Mexa | gui allows some constant variables I think |
| 12:04.45 | Mexa | Deaod, tho through benchmarking perspective, the difference between constants, literals, locals, globals, and members are minisculed. |
| 12:05.27 | Ibebusiness | interesting map motive |
| 12:05.39 | Ibebusiness | to bad bnet just shut down for maintance |
| 12:05.44 | Motive | lol :( |
| 12:05.48 | Deaod | well, youd have to evaluate constants... |
| 12:05.50 | Ibebusiness | I kinda dont see the point.... |
| 12:05.55 | Motive | exactly |
| 12:05.57 | Motive | there is no point |
| 12:05.59 | Motive | it's a sandbox |
| 12:06.03 | Ibebusiness | hmmm |
| 12:06.11 | Ibebusiness | nope, no good for my map :) |
| 12:06.27 | Ibebusiness | however man did that map have some CRAZY shit |
| 12:06.34 | Ibebusiness | super gateway? |
| 12:06.35 | Motive | xD |
| 12:06.36 | Ibebusiness | seriously |
| 12:06.53 | Ibebusiness | @spawn 50 battlecruisers |
| 12:06.55 | Motive | you should see 2.1 :P |
| 12:06.58 | Ibebusiness | @adddamage 9999 |
| 12:07.01 | Ibebusiness | @maxlife |
| 12:07.02 | Ibebusiness | ect |
| 12:07.03 | Mexa | Deaod, I'm just saying that it is not a very big deal in those terms. But practically, they should be constants indeed :) |
| 12:07.18 | Ibebusiness | @kill |
| 12:07.21 | Motive | 2.1 lets you do crazy shit lke make Marines shoot bombs, or make battlecruisers behave like a carrier |
| 12:07.21 | Mexa | and theoretically for that matter |
| 12:07.25 | Motive | or even just have Brood Lords shoot banelings |
| 12:07.27 | Ibebusiness | dude, I was just guessing commands |
| 12:07.28 | Motive | pew pew, baneling fury:D |
| 12:07.32 | Ibebusiness | and some worked |
| 12:07.56 | Ibebusiness | @speed 50 :) |
| 12:08.15 | Ibebusiness | @spawn 50 carriers |
| 12:08.24 | Ibebusiness | and then flood someones screen |
| 12:08.30 | Ibebusiness | i cant see |
| 12:08.37 | Ibebusiness | then unally them |
| 12:08.41 | Ibebusiness | wtf? |
| 12:08.43 | Motive | also 2.1 lets you pick between using the spawner, or using your mouse as the spawner |
| 12:08.54 | Ibebusiness | hmmm |
| 12:08.58 | Ibebusiness | I would like a gui... |
| 12:09.03 | Ibebusiness | for the spawning |
| 12:09.09 | Motive | yeah |
| 12:09.11 | Motive | GUI is prolly 3.0 |
| 12:09.12 | Motive | xD |
| 12:09.14 | Ibebusiness | shitty to type if you dont know how to spell everything |
| 12:09.30 | Ibebusiness | like i forgot what a probe was |
| 12:09.35 | Ibebusiness | ended up doing scb |
| 12:09.36 | Ibebusiness | scv |
| 12:09.44 | Ibebusiness | with a nexus :P |
| 12:10.03 | Ibebusiness | and 100 mineral patches |
| 12:10.19 | Ibebusiness | and 200 scv |
| 12:10.19 | Ibebusiness | and 3k minerals in like a minute |
| 12:10.24 | Mexa | I'm going off for a coffee break, and then possibly some gaming. |
| 12:10.25 | Mexa | Seeya |
| 12:10.29 | Motive | Bye |
| 12:10.33 | Ibebusiness | good luck |
| 12:10.36 | Ibebusiness | if bnet is back up |
| 12:11.39 | Ibebusiness | can someone explain to me |
| 12:11.47 | Ibebusiness | how a variable is set to no value? |
| 12:11.54 | Ibebusiness | and not show a red x? |
| 12:12.05 | Ibebusiness | and when I copy the trigger to my map, i get the red x? |
| 12:13.28 | Ibebusiness | nevermind |
| 12:13.33 | Ibebusiness | stupid gui' |
| 12:22.20 | hello__ | can anyone tell me the use of booleans if you can just make an integer with value 0 or 1 |
| 12:22.51 | hello__ | I will give you a piece of cake |
| 12:22.57 | hello__ | :) |
| 12:24.02 | yuizy | an integer uses normally 32 bits |
| 12:24.09 | yuizy | a boolean uses 8 bits |
| 12:24.44 | yuizy | and if you use a specific data structure, it stores booleans as 1 bit |
| 12:24.47 | yuizy | where's my cake |
| 12:24.56 | yuizy | was it a lie? |
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| 12:41.16 | Mexa | it was |
| 12:42.06 | hello__ | oh |
| 12:42.08 | hello__ | uhm |
| 12:42.10 | hello__ | thanks |
| 12:42.10 | Mexa | hello__ simply put, a boolean takes up less space in the memory |
| 12:42.16 | hello__ | good answer |
| 12:42.23 | hello__ | have a peace of cake <) |
| 12:42.29 | Mexa | lol |
| 12:42.39 | Mexa | I'll give it to yuizy tho :> |
| 12:42.46 | hello__ | hehe |
| 12:43.02 | hello__ | hey i got anyther one, this one is for the whole cake |
| 12:43.18 | hello__ | why when I use pan camera function it only brings the camera to the point at which the custom camera POINTS instead of the camera view itself |
| 12:43.44 | hello__ | I see what you did there ibe |
| 12:43.53 | IbebusinessS1339 | :P |
| 12:44.10 | Deaod | i doubt that in SC2s VM a boolean is any smaller than 32 bit |
| 12:44.12 | hello__ | so how do I move the player view to a camera that I created |
| 12:44.20 | Deaod | i mean, even a byte is 32 bit long. |
| 12:44.21 | IbebusinessS1339 | ok. I shall try to answer your question first |
| 12:44.26 | IbebusinessS1339 | b4 i go |
| 12:44.34 | hello__ | :D |
| 12:44.36 | Mexa | Deaod, sure about that? |
| 12:44.43 | Deaod | nope |
| 12:44.51 | Mexa | I mean, about the byte even. |
| 12:45.17 | Deaod | just doesnt make sense for blizzard to code in such an optimization |
| 12:45.29 | Deaod | well, a byte seems to be an integer mod 256 |
| 12:45.39 | Mexa | It would make sense considering how small memory we have to work with in the first place |
| 12:45.48 | Deaod | yeah, well |
| 12:45.51 | Mexa | If they are that smart and thought about that |
| 12:45.52 | Deaod | theyre dumb. |
| 12:45.55 | Mexa | :p |
| 12:46.09 | hello__ | :O |
| 12:46.20 | hello__ | so no one wants a cake as I see? |
| 12:46.27 | IbebusinessS1339 | that is the point of pan camera |
| 12:46.33 | IbebusinessS1339 | pan camera to POINT x |
| 12:46.34 | Mexa | I thought Ibe was going to explain |
| 12:46.44 | hello__ | then whats the function i should be using? |
| 12:46.48 | IbebusinessS1339 | hmm |
| 12:46.48 | hello__ | o.o |
| 12:46.53 | IbebusinessS1339 | camera yaw? |
| 12:46.55 | Mexa | hello__, something like Apply camera |
| 12:47.06 | hello__ | uhmm sounds clever |
| 12:47.09 | hello__ | let me see |
| 12:47.42 | IbebusinessS1339 | yea you can apply the camera your tying to "focus" on, to your game camera the player is using |
| 12:47.50 | Griffenator | Pan camera != apply camera. |
| 12:47.51 | hello__ | yea i think ill try that |
| 12:47.56 | Griffenator | Pan camera pans rather than applies. |
| 12:47.57 | hello__ | whichi is best object or property? |
| 12:48.04 | IbebusinessS1339 | object i think |
| 12:48.09 | Griffenator | If you know what panning means, then this makes perfect sense. |
| 12:48.09 | IbebusinessS1339 | since your using an object |
| 12:48.13 | hello__ | cool |
| 12:48.19 | hello__ | here is your cake |
| 12:48.21 | hello__ | O |
| 12:48.26 | hello__ | the whole thing |
| 12:48.26 | IbebusinessS1339 | the object would be your camera you want to apply |
| 12:48.29 | IbebusinessS1339 | lol |
| 12:48.38 | IbebusinessS1339 | dude, you asked that question like hours ago |
| 12:48.43 | hello__ | yea |
| 12:48.43 | IbebusinessS1339 | and no one ever answered |
| 12:48.47 | hello__ | and no one answered |
| 12:48.48 | hello__ | lol |
| 12:48.54 | hello__ | so whats the problem? |
| 12:49.01 | hello__ | xD |
| 12:49.04 | IbebusinessS1339 | nothing, was to simple to have gone unanswered |
| 12:49.14 | Griffenator | 13:24] <yuizy> a boolean uses 8 bits |
| 12:49.16 | Griffenator | Citation please? |
| 12:49.17 | IbebusinessS1339 | (I was busy helping other people) |
| 12:49.28 | hello__ | its kewl brah |
| 12:49.30 | IbebusinessS1339 | yes here |
| 12:49.36 | Griffenator | I'd suspect strongly a boolean uses 5 bytes. |
| 12:49.43 | Griffenator | 4 bytes for the actual data |
| 12:49.45 | IbebusinessS1339 | gives Griffenator a 1000$ personal citation. |
| 12:49.51 | IbebusinessS1339 | Please pay by the 15th. |
| 12:49.57 | yuizy | Griffenator: common knowledge in general programming |
| 12:50.04 | Griffenator | 0 = false, !=0 is true. |
| 12:50.04 | IbebusinessS1339 | Late payments will incure a 30$ late fee every month. |
| 12:50.10 | Mexa | Griffenator, he probably referred to that booleans are stored together in pieces of 8bits |
| 12:50.15 | IbebusinessS1339 | Thank you for using the Ibebusiness Citation Program. |
| 12:50.26 | Griffenator | Common knowledge in general programming...applying that to a computer game's VM. |
| 12:50.30 | Griffenator | Does not compute. |
| 12:50.35 | Motive | boolean in most cases has the same size of byte |
| 12:50.47 | Griffenator | Boolean in WC3 was same size as int. |
| 12:50.51 | Griffenator | 4 bytes of data. |
| 12:51.08 | Motive | yes but this is Galaxy, which is modelled after C |
| 12:51.13 | Griffenator | Modelled after. |
| 12:51.15 | hello__ | you know what camera target parameter does? |
| 12:51.22 | IbebusinessS1339 | yes |
| 12:51.27 | hello__ | nice |
| 12:51.30 | IbebusinessS1339 | sets your camera target rofl |
| 12:51.35 | Motive | so more likely than not |
| 12:51.42 | hello__ | oh i see |
| 12:51.54 | Mexa | Wouldn' |
| 12:51.56 | Griffenator | More likely than not it's the same size as an int, 4 bytes. |
| 12:51.57 | hello__ | so if its off it only picks all the properties except the location |
| 12:51.58 | hello__ | ? |
| 12:52.00 | Mexa | ups, cutoff |
| 12:52.02 | hello__ | i get it |
| 12:52.08 | IbebusinessS1339 | er |
| 12:52.20 | IbebusinessS1339 | if you apply x camera to player x game camera |
| 12:52.20 | Deaod | the VM is NOT modelled after C |
| 12:52.26 | IbebusinessS1339 | it should litterally move the camera |
| 12:52.31 | Griffenator | It sure is Deaod. |
| 12:52.34 | Griffenator | They copied the C VM. |
| 12:52.40 | IbebusinessS1339 | to the exact location and angle |
| 12:52.47 | IbebusinessS1339 | as if it WERE the applied camera.... |
| 12:52.51 | Motive | More likely than not sizeof(bool) = 1, sizeof(char) = 1, sizeof(int) = 4 |
| 12:52.51 | Motive | well |
| 12:52.55 | Motive | I'm stopping right there |
| 12:52.58 | Motive | there's no "C VM" |
| 12:53.06 | Deaod | so any assumption about the VM must be put through a Blizzard Dumbifier (R). |
| 12:53.07 | Motive | C is compiled to native code, not a VM |
| 12:53.13 | Deaod | indeed. |
| 12:53.15 | Griffenator | wonders if sarcasm is in Motive's vocabulary. |
| 12:53.41 | Mexa | Wrong timing for sarcasm. |
| 12:53.44 | IbebusinessS1339 | reminds Griffenator of his 1000$ fine. |
| 12:53.52 | Mexa | Like Vexal all over <.< |
| 12:54.21 | IbebusinessS1339 | slaps Motive around a bit with a large trout |
| 12:54.24 | Motive | In general, also, byte < int, |
| 12:54.25 | IbebusinessS1339 | slaps Griffenator around a bit with a large trout |
| 12:54.28 | Motive | regardless of the implementation, |
| 12:54.34 | Motive | it's just something you can assume, and should code, assuming. |
| 12:54.37 | IbebusinessS1339 | slaps hello__ around a bit with a large trout |
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| 12:54.54 | IbebusinessS1339 | how was bnet? |
| 12:54.55 | Mexa | You can't expect that to always be true in a VM though |
| 12:54.57 | IbebusinessS1339 | still down? |
| 12:55.08 | Motive | Regardless of what size is actually used |
| 12:55.15 | Motive | it's good practice to use a byte for 1-255, etc. |
| 12:55.23 | Deaod | 0* |
| 12:55.26 | IbebusinessS1339 | duck tapes motives hands away from keyboard |
| 12:55.26 | Motive | Don't just be all "lawl, int for everything!" |
| 12:55.27 | Motive | 0* |
| 12:55.28 | Motive | right |
| 12:55.36 | Motive | even if they are the same size |
| 12:55.40 | hello__ | wow thats rude bro :L |
| 12:55.47 | Motive | standard convention is to use the right type |
| 12:55.51 | Motive | in which case, 0-255 = byte |
| 12:55.54 | Griffenator | Why is it good practice...? |
| 12:55.56 | IbebusinessS1339 | whats rude? |
| 12:55.58 | Motive | because |
| 12:56.00 | Motive | the opposite of that is |
| 12:56.02 | Griffenator | Because what? |
| 12:56.06 | Griffenator | There is no reason for it. |
| 12:56.07 | Motive | "LOL LETS USE LONG LONG FOR EVERYTHING :D" |
| 12:56.11 | hello__ | slaping me :( |
| 12:56.14 | Mexa | Optimization |
| 12:56.15 | IbebusinessS1339 | lol |
| 12:56.17 | Griffenator | ... |
| 12:56.19 | hello__ | im just a nub trying to learn :3 |
| 12:56.23 | IbebusinessS1339 | lol |
| 12:56.29 | Griffenator | Except bytes are no faster than int probably in the VM. |
| 12:56.36 | yuizy | its good practice to try to optimize as much as possible |
| 12:56.37 | IbebusinessS1339 | im as much a newb as you are |
| 12:56.39 | Mexa | Wasn't talking about speed |
| 12:56.40 | Motive | Doesn't change the fact that it's bad practice. |
| 12:56.41 | yuizy | and you don't know for sure |
| 12:56.41 | Mexa | But size. |
| 12:56.45 | Deaod | well, its a matter of principle |
| 12:56.47 | Griffenator | wonders if ForLoopHelper can be implemented in SC2. |
| 12:56.49 | yuizy | that they are the same |
| 12:56.52 | hello__ | im better with data though |
| 12:56.56 | Deaod | use the right tool for a job |
| 12:56.57 | Griffenator | Deaod, go investigate. |
| 12:56.58 | hello__ | triggers i have trouble |
| 12:57.06 | IbebusinessS1339 | shoot |
| 12:57.06 | Deaod | awwww |
| 12:57.08 | Griffenator | Submit ForLoopHelper SC2 edition! |
| 12:57.11 | Motive | tell your programming professor you want to use an int for everything rather than the appropriate size type for every variable |
| 12:57.16 | Motive | he'll come up with a thousand reasons why that's bad |
| 12:57.16 | IbebusinessS1339 | before i go to S1339 |
| 12:57.16 | Motive | :P |
| 12:57.29 | Griffenator | Sorry, I told him about the WC3 VM, and he shot himself already. |
| 12:57.34 | Mexa | ForLoopHelper? |
| 12:57.35 | Deaod | :) |
| 12:57.56 | Deaod | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:57.57 | Griffenator | ForLoopHelper: Optimises looping operations in WC3. |
| 12:57.57 | IbebusinessS1339 | hello |
| 12:58.10 | Griffenator | Roughly 12% speed increase! |
| 12:58.29 | hello__ | epic question: WHY CANT YOU RETURN A PLAYER IN A FUNCTION |
| 12:58.33 | hello__ | this is pissing me off |
| 12:58.39 | hello__ | :D |
| 12:58.41 | IbebusinessS1339 | er |
| 12:58.44 | Motive | Lol |
| 12:58.47 | IbebusinessS1339 | didnt we just go over this? |
| 12:58.49 | Mexa | because Blizzard decided to split up functions and actions |
| 12:58.50 | Motive | player = int |
| 12:58.51 | hello__ | yea we did |
| 12:58.53 | Motive | there is no such thing as a player |
| 12:58.55 | hello__ | but im jsut saying |
| 12:58.55 | Motive | there are just ints |
| 12:58.56 | Motive | :) |
| 12:58.58 | hello__ | it would save time |
| 12:58.59 | IbebusinessS1339 | int |
| 12:59.07 | Deaod | typedef int player; |
| 12:59.10 | Deaod | DONE |
| 12:59.10 | IbebusinessS1339 | player 1 = 1 |
| 12:59.11 | Motive | :) |
| 12:59.22 | Mexa | and nvm |
| 12:59.24 | Deaod | NOW THERES player |
| 12:59.37 | Deaod | of course, typedefs dont work in GUI |
| 12:59.45 | Deaod | not that i know of anyway |
| 12:59.52 | Griffenator | What is GUI |
| 12:59.53 | IbebusinessS1339 | whats a typedef? |
| 12:59.55 | Griffenator | ? |
| 13:00.04 | IbebusinessS1339 | like I understand Type-definition |
| 13:00.07 | Motive | typedef is the sexiest thing ever in C/C++ |
| 13:00.09 | Deaod | typedef is an alias for a native type |
| 13:00.11 | Motive | in Galaxy it's meh. |
| 13:00.11 | IbebusinessS1339 | but the application of it |
| 13:00.13 | Motive | but still useful |
| 13:00.15 | Deaod | or struct type |
| 13:00.20 | Mexa | ForLoopHelper huh... |
| 13:00.30 | Mexa | I'd imagine it not be as helpful in galaxy |
| 13:00.44 | Motive | ^ |
| 13:00.58 | Deaod | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gi6Ohnp9x8 |
| 13:01.05 | Deaod | off topic |
| 13:01.14 | Mexa | BigDog is cool:p |
| 13:01.44 | Mexa | But looks like an abomination of 2 human bottomparts put together |
| 13:01.51 | IbebusinessS1339 | thats old |
| 13:01.56 | Mexa | It is |
| 13:02.01 | Motive | Needs more pie. |
| 13:02.02 | Motive | Apple pie. |
| 13:02.51 | Griffenator | roars. |
| 13:02.59 | Griffenator | Deaod, I think they missed the point of ForLoophelper |
| 13:03.09 | Motive | Imo, Galaxy's at a point where trivial optimization isn't necessary. |
| 13:03.10 | Deaod | yeah |
| 13:03.21 | Motive | Should be expanding it |
| 13:03.23 | Deaod | completely. |
| 13:03.28 | Motive | The VM is fast enough anyways |
| 13:03.47 | Mexa | I missed the point? |
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| 13:03.53 | IbebusinessS1339 | later |
| 13:03.54 | Mexa | Is it one of those "because you can"? |
| 13:04.08 | Deaod | may i tell? |
| 13:04.11 | Deaod | or do you want? |
| 13:04.38 | UloseTheGame | Mexacan, I can, there I know |
| 13:04.39 | Mexa | Tell me :> |
| 13:04.40 | Griffenator | You can. |
| 13:04.42 | Griffenator | I'm lazy :P |
| 13:05.01 | Deaod | basically, the whole thing is an elaborate troll |
| 13:05.02 | UloseTheGame | Wherefore the sun knows, the moon does not |
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| 13:05.20 | Deaod | OF COURSE the VM is fast enough. |
| 13:05.27 | UloseTheGame | Helloe good sir, would any of peradventure know the way to the aeroporte? |
| 13:05.27 | Deaod | hell, its fast enough in WC3 |
| 13:05.35 | Griffenator | But...but....but...it's 12% fast! |
| 13:05.50 | Griffenator | TWELVE PERCENT faster incrementing of an integer! |
| 13:05.51 | Mexa | I don't like troll libraries |
| 13:05.55 | Mexa | :( |
| 13:05.57 | UloseTheGame | Helloe good sirs, would any of you peradventure know the way to the aeroporte? |
| 13:06.12 | Motive | you know what's 12% faster? using XOR to set a variable to 0 |
| 13:06.15 | UloseTheGame | that is my trolling technique :D |
| 13:06.18 | Deaod | but idiots like Bribe and Nestharus think its ENTIRELY SENSIBLE to use SINGLE LETTER variable and function names to speed things up. |
| 13:06.23 | Motive | or XOR swap |
| 13:06.31 | Motive | QUICK |
| 13:06.34 | Motive | REPLACE EVERY ASSIGNMENT OPERATION |
| 13:06.38 | Mexa | what? |
| 13:06.47 | Mexa | lol, that's |
| 13:06.47 | UloseTheGame | I want to invent a application called the Rich Geezer Talk Translator |
| 13:06.54 | UloseTheGame | convert hello into good morrow |
| 13:07.02 | UloseTheGame | and Umad into Are you perchance mad brother? |
| 13:07.18 | UloseTheGame | lol |
| 13:07.26 | UloseTheGame | That is going to make me bank |
| 13:08.20 | Mexa | If single letter variables would speed things up greatly, then I'd only be doing so after using an optimization tool, which would as well obfuscate the code if I desired so. |
| 13:08.32 | Griffenator | We have one. |
| 13:08.33 | Deaod | EXACTLY |
| 13:08.56 | Mexa | So what happend to their readable code by now? <.< |
| 13:08.59 | Griffenator | <3 Vex's optimiser. |
| 13:09.19 | Motive | WC3's code was never readable IMO |
| 13:09.20 | Deaod | but Vexs optimizer is apparently not good enough because you cant use AI natives comfortably with it. |
| 13:09.20 | Motive | Lol |
| 13:09.26 | Deaod | its very readable |
| 13:09.33 | Motive | I mean, compared to other languages |
| 13:09.40 | Griffenator | Only AI native you might want to use is a) easily replaceable |
| 13:09.41 | Motive | it was so verbose |
| 13:09.44 | Griffenator | b) Rarely used |
| 13:09.48 | Mexa | Hunagrian notation.. GG, kill yourself. |
| 13:09.51 | Griffenator | And c) Crashes when used on heroes. |
| 13:09.52 | Deaod | thats what makes it readable |
| 13:10.03 | Motive | made it unreadable to me |
| 13:10.03 | Motive | Lol |
| 13:10.09 | Griffenator | Also, that argument fails. |
| 13:10.11 | Deaod | and i suppose C is readable? |
| 13:10.15 | Motive | function Blah takes unit returns int |
| 13:10.16 | Motive | endfunction |
| 13:10.19 | Motive | that's unreadable to me |
| 13:10.20 | Griffenator | Since they could have just fixed the optimiser to work with AI natives. |
| 13:10.32 | Motive | int Blah(unit u) { } |
| 13:10.32 | Griffenator | Pretty fucking sure Vex would have made it GPL licensed. |
| 13:10.34 | Motive | now that's readability. |
| 13:10.36 | Mexa | Motive, it is readable in the sense that you can describe exactly what it does. |
| 13:10.41 | Motive | Yes |
| 13:10.47 | Motive | but not as easily readable as C is, at a glance |
| 13:10.52 | Deaod | suppose you know nothing about programming? |
| 13:10.58 | Mexa | Depends of your written code. |
| 13:11.00 | Motive | then I wouldn't use JASS :P |
| 13:11.05 | Motive | or vJASS |
| 13:11.07 | Motive | or anything like that |
| 13:11.09 | Deaod | then JASS is a good place to start |
| 13:11.14 | Griffenator | What Deaod said. |
| 13:11.16 | Griffenator | Jass is simple. |
| 13:11.22 | Griffenator | Although really I'd start with vJass |
| 13:11.22 | Motive | It's hard to read and bulky |
| 13:11.27 | Deaod | precisely because its simplistic and easy to read. |
| 13:11.27 | Motive | having to use "call" to call a function |
| 13:11.31 | Griffenator | For globals definition |
| 13:11.35 | Mexa | Jass might be simple, but I always found it tideous to write in. |
| 13:11.40 | Motive | Exactly. |
| 13:11.47 | Deaod | thats not readability |
| 13:11.47 | Mexa | writing set and call in front of everything, for instance |
| 13:11.54 | Mexa | Well |
| 13:11.55 | Motive | It's tedious, verbose, and you can't gauge what something does without reading the entire verbose description |
| 13:11.57 | Griffenator | call and set make it more readable. |
| 13:12.05 | Motive | whereas in C, you can just glance at the return types, name, and param types easily |
| 13:12.11 | Griffenator | Don't make it nicer or faster to use. |
| 13:12.11 | Mexa | At a point, where I see call and set, it tend to get less readable for me |
| 13:12.19 | Motive | and I can recognize calls without "call" being put in front of it |
| 13:12.39 | Deaod | well, Motive, you need to know the language well to be able to extract such things fast |
| 13:12.56 | Motive | Yes but you have unnecessary descriptors in JASS |
| 13:13.00 | Mexa | Now Motive, the time where readability fails is not due to the language |
| 13:13.04 | Deaod | like what? |
| 13:13.06 | Motive | again, such as "call", "takes", "returns", etc. |
| 13:13.14 | Motive | all of that could be written in a way that requires none of the extra verbosity |
| 13:13.23 | Mexa | But your own naming conventions |
| 13:13.26 | Deaod | again, for a novice those things actually make it easier. |
| 13:13.33 | Motive | I'm not arguing for a novice. |
| 13:13.38 | Motive | I'm arguing for someone who knows what they're doing. |
| 13:13.46 | Motive | A novice shouldn't be using JASS, imho. |
| 13:13.53 | Motive | It's a horrible language and will give them bad ideas about programming |
| 13:13.54 | Deaod | really? |
| 13:14.02 | Motive | Though that's true of Galaxy too |
| 13:14.06 | Deaod | i basically started with JASS |
| 13:14.11 | Deaod | :) |
| 13:14.12 | Deaod | so |
| 13:14.48 | Motive | if you want to teach a novice, give them a language that works with them, not against them. |
| 13:15.03 | Mexa | Motive, like in C# vs C++, it feels nice to have a language which is typing safe, and which also have keywords such as ref and ptr |
| 13:15.05 | Motive | a language that doesn't require an abstraction like vJASS just to be useable |
| 13:15.14 | Motive | yes |
| 13:16.07 | Mexa | Tho Deaod, I found vJass more readable than Jass itself. |
| 13:16.24 | Motive | I could program in JASS, I did it for a little bit, but eventually, I just gave up. |
| 13:16.26 | Motive | It was too damn verbose. |
| 13:16.33 | Motive | I was working on the equivilent of my current project, in JASS |
| 13:16.39 | Motive | and just every other line was "call" or shit like that |
| 13:16.42 | Motive | it got ridiculous |
| 13:16.46 | Motive | and it destroyed readability. |
| 13:17.05 | Mexa | Motive, I could imagine you will dislike Grape, if you heard about it:> |
| 13:17.14 | Motive | Yeah I hate Grape :P |
| 13:17.22 | Motive | Grape is a nice idea, but I think it overdesigned the problem. |
| 13:17.33 | Motive | I don't need a fully-functional new language with a billion bells and whistles. |
| 13:17.36 | Motive | Same flaw Andromeda had. |
| 13:17.41 | Motive | I just want some simple OO concepts. |
| 13:17.47 | Motive | Classes, pointers maybe. |
| 13:17.50 | Motive | That's it. Lol |
| 13:18.01 | Motive | Maybe anonymous functions and first class functions. |
| 13:18.06 | Motive | And we're good. |
| 13:18.17 | UloseTheGame | Motive, Element TD is OUT |
| 13:18.18 | UloseTheGame | w00 |
| 13:18.22 | Motive | :P Nice |
| 13:18.26 | UloseTheGame | well not OUT OUT |
| 13:18.34 | UloseTheGame | but so close you can taste it |
| 13:18.43 | UloseTheGame | I played a game of random with karawasa the other day |
| 13:18.53 | Mexa | I'm going of playing some terraria |
| 13:18.55 | Mexa | Seeya |
| 13:18.57 | UloseTheGame | their data editor is very talented |
| 13:19.04 | UloseTheGame | he made some nice effects :) |
| 13:19.21 | UloseTheGame | It was actually REALLY cool :D |
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| 13:21.05 | Motive | Give me this, and I'll be happy. |
| 13:21.05 | Motive | http://pastebin.com/kLSsV9cH |
| 13:21.22 | Motive | Galaxy, extended. |
| 13:21.23 | Motive | Barely. |
| 13:21.24 | Motive | Lol |
| 13:22.02 | Mexa_ | it will probably a similar implementation as vJass then |
| 13:22.22 | Mexa_ | Or as Beier did it - with datatables |
| 13:22.34 | Motive | Just need to keep is simple. |
| 13:22.35 | Deaod | actually, using structs is a bad idea. |
| 13:22.39 | Motive | Don't try and reinvent the language. |
| 13:22.42 | Motive | it simple* |
| 13:23.00 | Motive | Well keep in mind thsi is just the syntax |
| 13:23.04 | Mexa_ | structs/classes, same thing |
| 13:23.04 | Motive | it doesn't have to literally use a Galaxy struct. |
| 13:23.07 | Mexa_ | Depends on the language |
| 13:23.12 | Motive | exactly |
| 13:23.13 | Mexa_ | in C++, it's the same thing |
| 13:23.33 | Mexa_ | In C# structs are value types, and classes reference types |
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| 13:24.55 | Mexa_ | Oh well |
| 13:24.56 | Mexa_ | Afk |
| 13:32.01 | Motive | IMO, this would be awesome :P |
| 13:32.02 | Motive | http://pastebin.com/rCkrL50N |
| 13:33.18 | hello__ | guys im having trouble with leaderboard |
| 13:33.23 | hello__ | anyone knows a decent tutorial |
| 13:33.27 | hello__ | ? |
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| 13:34.48 | hello__ | sup zul |
| 13:40.33 | Hobrow^disc | anyone know the field patc |
| 13:42.03 | Hobrow^disc | anyone know the field path of Abil,whateverability,Cost[0].Resource[Minerals] |
| 13:42.34 | Hobrow^disc | for catalog functions |
| 13:43.43 | Hobrow^disc | Cost[0].Resource[Minerals] and several combinations of that doesnt work |
| 13:46.52 | Motive | https://github.com/Motive/CortexEngine/blob/master/Common/lib/libactionbar.galaxy |
| 13:47.03 | Motive | r = CatalogFieldValueGet(c_gameCatalogAbil, ability, "Cost[0].Resource[" + field + "]", player); |
| 13:47.08 | Motive | r = CatalogFieldValueGet(c_gameCatalogAbil, ability, "Cost.Resource[" + field + "]", player); |
| 13:47.12 | Motive | it's fucked up :P |
| 13:47.19 | Motive | but you can see how I got it to work error-free there |
| 13:50.03 | Hobrow | [" + field + "] whats that supposed to mean? O.o |
| 13:50.11 | Motive | field = a string, either "Minerals" or "Vespene" |
| 13:51.48 | hello__ | how do you set player statue to playing |
| 13:52.05 | Motive | you know what would be cool? |
| 13:52.06 | Motive | Galaxy bytecode. |
| 13:52.14 | Motive | Well, a Galaxy bytecode interpreter, written in Galaxy. |
| 13:52.50 | Hobrow | why would you wnat to write essember code? |
| 13:53.07 | Motive | Well, there are advantages to it, for example |
| 13:53.22 | Motive | you could add native pass-by-reference mechanics |
| 13:53.38 | Motive | and people could write extension languages for the bytecode rather than Galaxy itself |
| 13:54.24 | Hobrow | that would open a huge security hole... |
| 13:54.34 | Motive | not really |
| 13:54.57 | Hobrow | you can do crazy stuff with pointer .... |
| 13:55.04 | Motive | pointer is just an int |
| 13:55.09 | Motive | that represents something in bytecode engine |
| 13:55.12 | Motive | nothing more |
| 13:55.33 | Hobrow | a pointer is the location of a value in your memory |
| 13:55.42 | Motive | a traditional pointer, in a native language, yes |
| 13:55.47 | Motive | not in this case |
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| 14:15.32 | Hobrow | FieldMarineUpgradeArmor (Marine Upgrade Armor) |
| 14:15.33 | Hobrow | CAbilEffect_Cost +((100|0|0|0)):((0|0|0|1|0|0|0)):((0|0|0)):((0|0|0)):(0):(0):(0):(0):(Abil/##id##):(Abil):(0):(0):(Abil/##id##):(Abil):(0):(0) |
| 14:15.34 | Hobrow | FieldMarineUpgradeArmor (Marine Upgrade Armor) |
| 14:15.34 | Hobrow | CAbilEffect_Cost +((100|0|0|0)):((0|0|0|1|0|0|0)):((0|0|0)):((0|0|0)):(0):(0):(0):(0):(Abil/##id##):(Abil):(0):(0):(Abil/##id##):(Abil):(0):(0) |
| 14:15.34 | Hobrow | FieldMarineUpgradeArmor (Marine Upgrade Armor) |
| 14:15.34 | Hobrow | CAbilEffect_Cost +((100|0|0|0)):((0|0|0|1|0|0|0)):((0|0|0)):((0|0|0)):(0):(0):(0):(0):(Abil/##id##):(Abil):(0):(0):(Abil/##id##):(Abil):(0):(0) |
| 14:15.34 | Hobrow | FieldMarineUpgradeArmor (Marine Upgrade Armor) |
| 14:15.34 | Hobrow | CAbilEffect_Cost +((100|0|0|0)):((0|0|0|1|0|0|0)):((0|0|0)):((0|0|0)):(0):(0):(0):(0):(Abil/##id##):(Abil):(0):(0):(Abil/##id##):(Abil):(0):(0) |
| 14:15.36 | Hobrow | FieldMarineUpgradeArmor (Marine Upgrade Armor) |
| 14:15.36 | Hobrow | CAbilEffect_Cost +((100|0|0|0)):((0|0|0|1|0|0|0)):((0|0|0)):((0|0|0)):(0):(0):(0):(0):(Abil/##id##):(Abil):(0):(0):(Abil/##id##):(Abil):(0):(0) |
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| 14:17.50 | Hobrow | woops |
| 14:21.20 | JademusSreg | I awaken. |
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| 14:26.39 | burne- | does creating depencies save every data/trigger in your map? |
| 14:26.48 | burne- | if you can even create them -_- |
| 14:27.48 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 14:28.02 | JademusSreg | You mean does it import all the crap from the other map to your map? |
| 14:28.13 | burne- | yea |
| 14:28.14 | JademusSreg | *from the mod |
| 14:28.27 | burne- | I just wana import all of my stuff if its easy/possible |
| 14:28.39 | JademusSreg | Naw, your map just references it, and it later gets loaded together when you play tyhe map. |
| 14:29.02 | burne- | well is there a way to do it? |
| 14:29.07 | burne- | just import stuff easilly |
| 14:29.11 | burne- | export/import |
| 14:29.44 | Brainshack | so when i edit a unit in a mod, could i overwrite it somehow in the map that uses the mod as dependency? |
| 14:30.09 | JademusSreg | Of course. |
| 14:30.28 | Brainshack | or will it change the values of the mod? |
| 14:30.41 | JademusSreg | In the actual xml files, overwritten entires are referenced by id, then individual values are added or overwritten by index. |
| 14:30.54 | JademusSreg | It adds data to the map. |
| 14:31.30 | Brainshack | ok |
| 14:32.39 | JademusSreg | So if you have the Copramancer unit in a mod, and add the Shitstorm ability to it in your map, it will add a tiny entry for it in your map with that id to add a new ability to the ability array. |
| 14:33.34 | JademusSreg | You can see this in action yourself, simply by changing a data value and using an mpq editor to extract the relevant xml file. |
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| 14:45.22 | Nash|327 | http://static.sc2mapster.com/content/attachments/17/265/Screenshot2011-06-14_06_06_49.jpg |
| 14:45.31 | Nash|327 | pewpew |
| 14:45.59 | burne- | almost look as good as my maps |
| 14:46.23 | burne- | :E |
| 14:48.05 | JademusSreg | Terrain is bland, but the UI frame looks nice like that. |
| 14:48.22 | JademusSreg | Is it protoss or custom? |
| 14:49.23 | JademusSreg | So the life bars along the left side, is that for you and your allies or just your unit? |
| 14:50.33 | JademusSreg | Also, when do you update your life bars? |
| 14:50.38 | JademusSreg | *vital bars |
| 14:53.22 | hello__ | jade |
| 14:53.27 | hello__ | i have a dumb question |
| 14:53.32 | JademusSreg | Hi. |
| 14:53.34 | hello__ | how to you change text size |
| 14:53.37 | hello__ | in a dialog |
| 14:53.40 | hello__ | :3 |
| 14:53.40 | JademusSreg | Font styles. |
| 14:53.46 | hello__ | i did that |
| 14:53.48 | hello__ | but |
| 14:53.54 | hello__ | i put like 64 |
| 14:54.02 | hello__ | and it still comes back the default size |
| 14:54.03 | hello__ | :3 |
| 14:54.04 | JademusSreg | It doesn't work like that. |
| 14:54.19 | JademusSreg | Font styles are defined in a font style file. |
| 14:54.35 | JademusSreg | I have a generic pack of font style4s if you'd like to use the,. |
| 14:54.38 | JademusSreg | *them |
| 14:54.39 | hello__ | i just want the size changed |
| 14:54.56 | hello__ | ;/ |
| 14:55.19 | hello__ | soo how do I change the font file |
| 14:55.20 | JademusSreg | Yes, and that involves importing a custom font style definition file, referencing it in the Game UI data, and then you'll be able to use it. |
| 14:55.31 | hello__ | wow |
| 14:55.51 | hello__ | so the editor doesnt have any text size option? |
| 14:55.57 | hello__ | thats kinda lame |
| 14:55.58 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
| 14:56.03 | hello__ | uhmm |
| 14:56.13 | hello__ | you know where i can download one? |
| 14:56.24 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 14:56.26 | JademusSreg | From me. |
| 14:56.28 | hello__ | :D |
| 14:57.11 | hello__ | nice |
| 14:57.17 | hello__ | is it the same style though? |
| 14:57.22 | hello__ | same font |
| 14:57.23 | JademusSreg | Naw, I don't need your email. |
| 14:57.29 | hello__ | with different sizes |
| 14:57.37 | JademusSreg | This Is The Future. We have such wonderful things now. |
| 14:57.41 | hello__ | :O |
| 14:57.51 | JademusSreg | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/Generic.SC2Style |
| 14:58.03 | hello__ | cool brah |
| 14:58.05 | hello__ | ;D |
| 14:58.12 | hello__ | now |
| 14:58.16 | hello__ | how do i import that |
| 14:58.26 | JademusSreg | Using the Import module on the editor. |
| 14:58.38 | hello__ | where must i put it |
| 14:58.41 | hello__ | to be able to find it |
| 14:58.47 | hello__ | and btw |
| 14:58.51 | hello__ | how do I apply it |
| 14:59.19 | JademusSreg | Save it wherever you think you can find it, importing it into the map (path is irrelevant). |
| 14:59.26 | JademusSreg | Then open the Data module. |
| 14:59.31 | JademusSreg | Data Editor |
| 14:59.44 | JademusSreg | Click the dropdown list and fine Game UI |
| 14:59.47 | JademusSreg | *find |
| 15:00.16 | JademusSreg | There, look for a field called Custom Font Styles, Font Styles, something like that. |
| 15:00.36 | JademusSreg | It's so much easier to see all the fields in table view, which is what I use. |
| 15:02.04 | JademusSreg | Got it? |
| 15:02.47 | hello__ | 1 sec |
| 15:04.43 | hello__ | nop |
| 15:04.45 | hello__ | not there |
| 15:04.50 | hello__ | maybe i have to save |
| 15:04.53 | JademusSreg | HAha |
| 15:04.58 | JademusSreg | *Haha |
| 15:05.27 | hello__ | give me a path |
| 15:05.31 | hello__ | where i can send it to |
| 15:05.53 | JademusSreg | It doesn't matter which path you import it in the map. |
| 15:05.59 | hello__ | but i need one |
| 15:06.04 | hello__ | just say any |
| 15:06.33 | Brainshack | C:\Windows |
| 15:06.45 | hello__ | in editor, brah |
| 15:06.55 | JademusSreg | Since the Game UI entry will need to reference it explicitly, it can be in any path in the map. |
| 15:07.06 | hello__ | YES........... |
| 15:07.11 | hello__ | but I dont know any path |
| 15:07.16 | hello__ | and i must wright it down |
| 15:07.25 | JademusSreg | Haha, what? |
| 15:07.40 | JademusSreg | I know when you Add File(s) you select a directory. |
| 15:07.58 | hello__ | you cant select |
| 15:08.01 | hello__ | theres no option |
| 15:08.04 | JademusSreg | I designated a specific directory for all my imports. |
| 15:08.04 | hello__ | you must type it in |
| 15:08.22 | JademusSreg | I get the impression you may be doing it wrong. |
| 15:09.01 | JademusSreg | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/tutorials/20323-sc2layout-files-override-method-aiurchef-method/#w-how-to-use-custom-layout-files-in-your-map |
| 15:09.09 | JademusSreg | Follow those steps. |
| 15:09.19 | JademusSreg | Perhaps you will find pictures more instructive. |
| 15:10.02 | hello__ | i gt error msg from your file now |
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| 15:12.35 | Nash|327 | JademusSreg: that's the same UI but Protoss |
| 15:12.54 | JademusSreg | The protoss UI looks nice. |
| 15:13.16 | JademusSreg | How can you get an error message from a layout file? |
| 15:13.26 | Otixa | yawns |
| 15:13.26 | Nash|327 | the health display is full party |
| 15:13.40 | Otixa | Sup guys? |
| 15:14.09 | Nash|327 | the update is handled with life (percent) changes event |
| 15:14.14 | Nash|327 | and energy percent |
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| 15:15.19 | JademusSreg | Cool. |
| 15:15.20 | Nash|327 | http://static.sc2mapster.com/content/attachments/16/211/Screenshot2011-05-18_02_27_18.jpg |
| 15:15.27 | Nash|327 | only pic I had of party display |
| 15:15.43 | Nash|327 | but it's kinda sucky since the other players don't exist in game D; |
| 15:16.00 | Nash|327 | so you can't see their names and bars |
| 15:17.26 | JademusSreg | hello person, did you successfully import the file? |
| 15:18.10 | burne- | hmm |
| 15:18.23 | Nash|327 | terrain is shitty, but this is my test map |
| 15:18.26 | burne- | I got like 30mins of footage of wc3 + sc2 custom maps, I wonder if I can somehow fit it to youtube |
| 15:18.30 | JademusSreg | kk |
| 15:18.54 | Nash|327 | Dresnia has the terrain |
| 15:18.55 | burne- | Im trying to prepare for mapcraft if I someday get into that |
| 15:19.25 | Nash|327 | I just threw together something in a few min |
| 15:19.41 | Vail|Sleep | hello folks |
| 15:19.43 | Nash|327 | that looks better than just sand |
| 15:20.04 | Vail | i had would could be a game changing idea for my mod while trying to sleep last night |
| 15:20.05 | hello__ | ]no i didnt |
| 15:20.11 | hello__ | I did import sucessfully |
| 15:20.13 | JademusSreg | What is "mapcraft"? |
| 15:20.22 | hello__ | but I cant find it from data editor |
| 15:20.49 | Vail | what are you looking for hello_? |
| 15:20.58 | hello__ | im trying to import his fonts |
| 15:21.02 | hello__ | in the editor |
| 15:21.03 | JademusSreg | So the file is imported, and you went to Game UI and added the reference for it, yes? |
| 15:21.13 | JademusSreg | Or you can find it to add the reference? |
| 15:21.16 | JademusSreg | *can't |
| 15:23.04 | Vail | any way back to my amazing idea .... we all know that zerg production is at the Hatch lair and hive based on exisiting tech structures that hold upgrades...but what if the configuration of the zerg base could give bonuses and unlock further upgrades? |
| 15:24.34 | hello__ | how do i add refference? |
| 15:24.58 | Motive | :O |
| 15:25.02 | Motive | Jademus, you haven't heard of MapCraft?! |
| 15:25.04 | Motive | :O |
| 15:25.22 | hello__ | i havent |
| 15:25.30 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
| 15:25.46 | Motive | Was my first contribution to Mapster. |
| 15:25.58 | Motive | Made playing custom maps on multiplayer easier (or single player for macs), since they weren't supported yet. |
| 15:26.00 | Vail | as an example what if you could buff hydra movements speed by building your hydraliskden in one of four locations around a spawning pool with zergling speed researched? |
| 15:26.01 | Motive | http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/mapcraft/ |
| 15:26.51 | Brainshack | man how i hate 6 pool |
| 15:26.52 | Brainshack | t.t |
| 15:26.56 | Motive | lol |
| 15:26.58 | Motive | you lost to a 6-pool? :P |
| 15:27.00 | JademusSreg | To add the reference in Game UI data, go to the data editor, fnd Game UI data in the data type, select Default SC2 UI Settings, find the field Font Style Files, and add the file reference there. |
| 15:27.18 | JademusSreg | Oh yeah, I remember using that Motive. |
| 15:27.19 | Brainshack | you can only really counter it by playin 6pool yourself |
| 15:27.23 | JademusSreg | Or at least seeing it. |
| 15:27.40 | Motive | what, Brainshack? Lol |
| 15:27.40 | Motive | no |
| 15:27.43 | Motive | that's not the proper way to counter it |
| 15:27.43 | JademusSreg | Yeah, the latter. |
| 15:27.50 | JademusSreg | I saw it, didn't use it. |
| 15:27.54 | Brainshack | so tell me |
| 15:27.55 | Motive | proper 6-pool counter is to come out ahead with a huge economic benefit |
| 15:27.56 | Brainshack | hes in my base |
| 15:27.58 | Brainshack | with 4 lings |
| 15:28.02 | Brainshack | i dodnt even have my pool up |
| 15:28.04 | Motive | you have to scout the six pool. |
| 15:28.05 | Motive | exactly. |
| 15:28.10 | Motive | what supply are you putting your pool down? |
| 15:28.14 | Motive | 14? |
| 15:28.21 | Brainshack | 12 |
| 15:28.27 | Vail | and to continue this what if there was a roach range upgrade that was only onlocked if you built your said hydralisk in the proper place new your roach warren |
| 15:28.43 | Motive | all you have to do to hold off a six pool is make it cost more for him than it costs for you, and you have an advantage of ~30 seconds |
| 15:28.48 | Motive | the time it takes for him to send 'em across the map |
| 15:28.57 | Brainshack | it was close positions |
| 15:29.03 | Motive | so you send out a scout early against zerg, see if they're going 6pool |
| 15:29.10 | Brainshack | and he was rdm |
| 15:29.12 | Motive | if so, take some defensive action |
| 15:29.30 | Motive | also even if you're unlucky and he has 4 lings |
| 15:29.47 | Motive | all you have to do is hold him off until your pool comes up, and throw down a spine crawler, then protect it |
| 15:29.59 | Motive | sacrifice a few workers to buy time, you still come out ahead |
| 15:30.06 | Brainshack | never |
| 15:30.12 | Brainshack | thats just what i tried |
| 15:30.31 | Brainshack | he just rips you eco apart |
| 15:30.46 | JademusSreg | Did you follow that hello person? Also, is that handle some sort of default or your prefered handle? |
| 15:31.03 | Motive | well |
| 15:31.10 | Motive | pool at 12 is the right move, economy wise. |
| 15:31.27 | Motive | maybe move it to 9-10 though if you suspect a sixpool against zerg |
| 15:31.42 | Brainshack | the problem was |
| 15:31.46 | Brainshack | 1st he was rdm |
| 15:31.50 | Brainshack | 2nd it was close posis |
| 15:31.52 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 15:31.54 | Brainshack | t.t |
| 15:32.03 | Motive | ah |
| 15:32.06 | Motive | well |
| 15:32.12 | Motive | that's why you scout w/ overlord the close position |
| 15:32.13 | Motive | :) |
| 15:32.18 | Brainshack | i did |
| 15:32.28 | Brainshack | but his pool was allready up when it arrived |
| 15:32.32 | Brainshack | and then i was like |
| 15:32.34 | Brainshack | oh oh |
| 15:32.55 | JademusSreg | When did you scout? =\ |
| 15:32.56 | Brainshack | i hate 6pool |
| 15:33.19 | Brainshack | sen ovi right at the beginning and just hit it as soon as possible in his base |
| 15:33.26 | Brainshack | tend to send my drone at about 10 |
| 15:33.36 | Brainshack | but then in the other direction then the overloard |
| 15:33.44 | Motive | if you want, brainshack, I can 6pool you repeatedly until you figure out a defense :P |
| 15:34.08 | Brainshack | that wouldnt be the point |
| 15:34.13 | Brainshack | till i know you will 6pool me |
| 15:34.17 | JademusSreg | You scout an indication of six pool, you lay down a pool immediately, then lay a spine crawler on them ineral line for suppression, get a queen to protect the side of the hatch and zerglings to run interference. |
| 15:35.14 | Motive | and you can use workers to buy time, he's putting all of his economy into zerglings |
| 15:35.15 | JademusSreg | So it sounds like, at root, a failure to scout. |
| 15:35.21 | Motive | so he'll have NONE if you hold him off. |
| 15:35.21 | JademusSreg | True dat. |
| 15:35.31 | JademusSreg | Workers will tear 4 zerglings up. |
| 15:35.32 | Motive | zerglings beat workers, but just barely |
| 15:35.35 | Motive | yup |
| 15:35.40 | Motive | and you don't even have to "tear 'em up" |
| 15:35.44 | Motive | just micro 'em around defensively |
| 15:35.46 | Motive | and mine when he's not pushing |
| 15:35.56 | Motive | every mineral you mine puts you even more exponentially ahead of him :) |
| 15:36.16 | JademusSreg | Do a back n forth between far minerals to get a surround on the zerglings. |
| 15:36.30 | Motive | its just a micro battle |
| 15:36.32 | Motive | rather than macro |
| 15:36.37 | Brainshack | i hate micro |
| 15:36.39 | Brainshack | tt |
| 15:36.40 | JademusSreg | Hahaha |
| 15:36.52 | JademusSreg | Sounds like you wouild have hated wc3. |
| 15:36.58 | Brainshack | well |
| 15:37.00 | Motive | I sucked so hard at WC3 |
| 15:37.01 | Brainshack | i played orc in 2c3 |
| 15:37.05 | Motive | do you know what my WC3 strategy was? |
| 15:37.06 | Brainshack | wc3 |
| 15:37.17 | Motive | play night elf, eat trees until I could hide my starting building somewhere in the forest |
| 15:37.21 | Motive | move the wisps there, too |
| 15:37.23 | Motive | and play hide and seek |
| 15:37.27 | Motive | I even got a few ragequits |
| 15:37.28 | Motive | xD |
| 15:37.28 | Vail | i see my aweswome idea is so awesome you guys cant even form opinions about it |
| 15:37.30 | JademusSreg | Hahaha |
| 15:38.00 | Motive | "I guess its a bug. i didnt spawn :(" |
| 15:38.03 | JademusSreg | Naw, Vail, I just have zero interest in modified melee. |
| 15:38.17 | Vail | ah |
| 15:38.48 | JademusSreg | It's not any reflection on the quality of the ideas. |
| 15:39.07 | Vail | why no interest in mod melee? |
| 15:39.10 | JademusSreg | My wife asks what color we should paint X and I don't care about X. |
| 15:39.19 | Nash|327 | Melee sucks. |
| 15:39.43 | JademusSreg | I have no interest in modified melee because it is pointless. |
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| 15:40.01 | Nash|327 | Also, modding melee just makes it imbalanced. |
| 15:40.06 | Nash|327 | D_D |
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| 15:41.25 | Vail | i was thinking of having it my mini campaign when the player switches from terran to zerg.. |
| 15:41.25 | JademusSreg | Even the best executed melee mod will have maybe a dozen proponents, passionate even, but it's just so many cool ideas and poor balance. |
| 15:41.46 | JademusSreg | Which is an apt description of pretty much every Command & Conquer game. |
| 15:42.25 | JademusSreg | And their mods, similarly. |
| 15:42.51 | Vail | yeah CnC has gone down hill gameplay wise drastically over the years |
| 15:43.35 | XorioZ | is it perhaps posible to make an ability with 2 target effects where you press the ability and then have to press at 2 points at the map before the ability initiates? |
| 15:44.09 | XorioZ | without triggers |
| 15:44.13 | Vail | i think the abiity effect target only can have one target |
| 15:44.29 | XorioZ | hmm i guese ill have to do it with triggers then |
| 15:44.38 | Vail | what are you trying to do? |
| 15:44.47 | JademusSreg | The gameplay has been about the same to me since Red Alert; they come up with cool ideas but fail to balance the game in a way that rewards skill. |
| 15:45.17 | XorioZ | to create an ability where you can choos the fiering arc |
| 15:45.33 | XorioZ | like a swaeping motion with a gatling gun |
| 15:45.59 | Vail | that may be somewhat possible with data. |
| 15:48.25 | XorioZ | well i figur its not that hard to get 2 pionts on the map with some triggers involved but being able to change the arc on the ability is the part that's gonna be realy hard. unless i somhow can get the data from the triggers and insert them in the ability or something like that |
| 15:49.03 | JademusSreg | Reminds me of the heavy squads in DoW2. |
| 15:49.14 | XorioZ | then ill have to make a whole bunch of abilityes with diferent fireing arcs |
| 15:49.26 | burne- | ugh |
| 15:49.40 | burne- | would anyone watch my video of 20 minutes just spells and stuff? :E |
| 15:49.44 | burne- | probly too boring |
| 15:49.47 | XorioZ | np |
| 15:49.51 | XorioZ | ill watch |
| 15:50.02 | XorioZ | maybee ill get some ideas for my own map :) |
| 15:50.10 | burne- | I was wondering should I leave it as it is or just throw it to youtube |
| 15:50.18 | burne- | if I can render it to decent size |
| 15:50.22 | burne- | I mean |
| 15:50.25 | burne- | I could shorten it |
| 15:50.29 | burne- | to probly like 15mins |
| 15:50.48 | burne- | lots of spells for sure atleast |
| 15:50.49 | burne- | -_- |
| 15:51.11 | burne- | I guess ill make it a bit shorter |
| 15:51.33 | *** join/#sc2mapster Dresnia (~Miranda@94-225-205-79.access.telenet.be) |
| 15:51.38 | Dresnia | Nash|327 |
| 15:51.48 | Dresnia | Important Message |
| 15:51.48 | Dresnia | We thought you should know that we're experiencing a delay with your order. We apologise for any inconvenience. Please take note of the revised dispatch and delivery estimates marked in red below. |
| 15:51.48 | Dresnia | When will your items arrive? |
| 15:51.48 | Dresnia | Not Yet Dispatched: |
| 15:51.48 | Dresnia | 1 item - delivery estimate: 17 Jun 2011 - 23 Jun 2011 |
| 15:51.51 | Dresnia | >_> |
| 15:51.58 | Dresnia | shower/food afk nao |
| 15:52.04 | JademusSreg | Naw, do not want DBZ inspired stuff. =D |
| 15:52.06 | Vail | burne-: i will watch |
| 15:52.36 | XorioZ | ok what you guys think. me and my mate finaly came up with a name for the map i'm working on. Defilers and Defenders for short DaD |
| 15:52.38 | Vail | and XorioZ you would only need one ability with a set of effects |
| 15:52.40 | burne- | ok ill see what I will still shorten it but leave even a bit boring stuff in |
| 15:52.50 | JademusSreg | XOR, what is the map about? |
| 15:52.58 | burne- | JademusSreg: oh man there is so muhc more than dbz stuff ^^ |
| 15:53.24 | burne- | im amazed how high quality stuff iv made in wc3 (atleast jagged relic) |
| 15:53.32 | burne- | even though it wasnt popular it just looks so good |
| 15:53.54 | XorioZ | basicly its a platoon of terran that finds an old protoss ruin. and while thay are exploring it thay wake up some sorta anchient protoss and the fighting starts |
| 15:54.10 | JademusSreg | Ripping off intellectual property is lame, ripping off lame intellectual property is doubly so. Take The Worst Thing Ever, for instance: a warcraft 3 map called Map Tong Hop. |
| 15:54.43 | JademusSreg | It is the worst thing to have ever been created by the malign wiles of man. |
| 15:55.33 | Nash|327 | onoes |
| 15:55.36 | JademusSreg | It is a hero arena mashup of every high profile anime and JRPG character. |
| 15:56.25 | Nash|327 | lawl |
| 15:56.31 | hello__ | anyone knows how to change font size in dialogs |
| 15:56.32 | hello__ | ? |
| 15:56.32 | Nash|327 | die anime die |
| 15:56.33 | JademusSreg | It is a perfect exemplar of everything a person could possibly do wrong in a map. |
| 15:56.41 | JademusSreg | hello, I already told you. |
| 15:56.46 | XorioZ | the map itself is a battlefront map (What ive desidet to call the style if the map). it's based on Dota style maps witha LOT of changes that make it more tactical orianted. |
| 15:56.50 | hello__ | i imported your file |
| 15:56.53 | Nash|327 | Sounds like those DBZ MADNESS!!!1 |
| 15:56.55 | hello__ | didnt do anything |
| 15:57.09 | JademusSreg | Did you reference it? |
| 15:57.13 | Motive | oh god |
| 15:57.14 | Motive | DBZ maps |
| 15:57.20 | hello__ | yea |
| 15:57.21 | Motive | please no |
| 15:57.22 | Motive | dont do it |
| 15:57.25 | Motive | please |
| 15:57.26 | hello__ | i put it in the thing you told me |
| 15:57.31 | Motive | bnet is bad enough already |
| 15:57.33 | Motive | dont make it worse |
| 15:58.25 | Nash|327 | kittuns |
| 15:58.35 | Nash|327 | Dresniaface |
| 15:58.42 | hello__ | oh well |
| 15:58.43 | Nash|327 | Did you see I finished Reaper :G |
| 15:58.55 | JademusSreg | hello, my custom styles don't show up in the editor, I type them in manualy. |
| 15:59.03 | hello__ | how |
| 15:59.05 | hello__ | where |
| 15:59.09 | XorioZ | WTF.. whats up with you and your kittuns? i swear ill send you a dead kitten in the mail soon. |
| 15:59.11 | XorioZ | :) |
| 15:59.21 | Nash|327 | I like kittuns |
| 15:59.21 | JademusSreg | I do it in galaxy. You'd do it from the text editor, probably. |
| 15:59.28 | XorioZ | hehe |
| 15:59.39 | hello__ | im not a freaing programmer bro |
| 15:59.39 | Nash|327 | I will send you antrax in the mail |
| 15:59.42 | XorioZ | nyung nyung kat |
| 15:59.43 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 15:59.52 | hello__ | you will have to elaborate a little bit |
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| 16:00.05 | JademusSreg | Unironic use of that word is funny. =D |
| 16:00.09 | JademusSreg | Anyway, I'll show ya. |
| 16:00.25 | JademusSreg | <s val="SubtitlePanel">Turbo Boost</s> See the markup tags? |
| 16:00.48 | hello__ | i see lots of thing |
| 16:01.13 | hello__ | tehre has GOT to me a simpler way |
| 16:01.18 | hello__ | to chat font size |
| 16:01.22 | JademusSreg | <s val="StandExLeft64"> </s> would be the markup to use the font style StandExLeft64. |
| 16:01.25 | hello__ | change* |
| 16:01.52 | hello__ | mm k |
| 16:01.53 | hello__ | so |
| 16:01.56 | hello__ | what are the codes |
| 16:01.59 | hello__ | for your characters |
| 16:02.03 | hello__ | that you sent me |
| 16:02.21 | JademusSreg | The ones you need to know are in the group StandExLeft |
| 16:02.34 | hello__ | ok so |
| 16:02.39 | hello__ | the 64 is the size? |
| 16:02.43 | hello__ | i put the size there? |
| 16:02.48 | JademusSreg | Which is short for Stand Extended Template left justified font height 64. |
| 16:02.57 | JademusSreg | Yeah, it did it in multiples of 2. |
| 16:03.03 | hello__ | ok |
| 16:03.07 | hello__ | let me try |
| 16:03.12 | JademusSreg | As low as 8, up to 64. |
| 16:03.37 | XorioZ | Vail. say i want the fiering angle to be 3 diferent sizes (Using effect Persistents with offsets) then i just have to make 3 diferent viriatons of it and add them all to the same ability? how do i get it to fire the right effect? |
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| 16:04.47 | Vail | you would add them all to a set and then use validators to control wich set fires when |
| 16:04.50 | JademusSreg | Use levels, XOR. |
| 16:04.55 | hello__ | wow it takes forever to load |
| 16:04.56 | Vail | or that |
| 16:04.58 | hello__ | each character |
| 16:05.00 | JademusSreg | Most abilities support levels. |
| 16:05.01 | hello__ | that i wright |
| 16:05.28 | XorioZ | well allredy using lvl's on the abilityes WC3 style |
| 16:05.37 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 16:05.56 | JademusSreg | Scripts ahoy, then. =D |
| 16:05.58 | XorioZ | i'm doin this for the ability where you can choos the fiering angle |
| 16:06.02 | Dresnia | JAAAADE MY HOMMIE WSUP BROTHER |
| 16:06.10 | JademusSreg | Hi Dres. |
| 16:06.14 | Nash|327 | Dresniaface smells |
| 16:06.20 | Dresnia | cancels headset |
| 16:06.23 | Dresnia | *evil grin* |
| 16:06.31 | JademusSreg | That is a thoroughly ridiculous manner of speaking. <3 |
| 16:06.34 | Nash|327 | gonna uplaod map file |
| 16:06.40 | Dresnia | cool |
| 16:06.42 | Dresnia | reaper ? |
| 16:06.46 | Nash|327 | yas |
| 16:06.57 | Dresnia | coolios |
| 16:07.08 | XorioZ | maaan my map is at 12mb is that normal? |
| 16:07.11 | Dresnia | Yeah Jade I know, I enjoy irritating you from time too time. I feel it builds up our relationship ! |
| 16:07.24 | Dresnia | XorioZ : not really. Do you use replace texture ? |
| 16:07.29 | XorioZ | yep |
| 16:07.43 | Dresnia | That's all I know, I'm sure there's more too look at. |
| 16:07.56 | Dresnia | IF A map is above 10mb bnet declines it I think |
| 16:08.03 | Nash|327 | Reaper is funny |
| 16:08.04 | Dresnia | So you need to add dependencies or something like that |
| 16:08.21 | Nash|327 | if you want to test load up the map and type in -host and -class reaper :G |
| 16:08.21 | hello__ | question |
| 16:08.22 | XorioZ | and using a lot of costum texturs for my dialogs |
| 16:08.27 | hello__ | how do I apply color on top of that |
| 16:08.39 | Dresnia | Nash|327 : let's test it together this evening or so |
| 16:08.44 | JademusSreg | I |
| 16:08.49 | Nash|327 | Going to see Super 8 |
| 16:08.54 | Nash|327 | 21:00 |
| 16:08.56 | Dresnia | Oh ok. |
| 16:09.00 | XorioZ | hmm ill just have to resize some of my costum texturs and see if i can get it under 10mb then |
| 16:09.01 | Dresnia | Ah, so in 3hours ? |
| 16:09.06 | Nash|327 | yes |
| 16:09.11 | JademusSreg | I've had trouble applying color to text that has a style applied already. |
| 16:09.12 | Dresnia | I'm planning too test it in 1hr 30 - 2hr. |
| 16:09.14 | Dresnia | I'll see wsup |
| 16:09.19 | Nash|327 | alrighty |
| 16:09.22 | hello__ | eeeh... |
| 16:09.25 | JademusSreg | The color tag may need to be inside the style tag to supercede it. |
| 16:09.33 | hello__ | thats a big problem o.0 |
| 16:09.49 | JademusSreg | Also, styles can define colors. |
| 16:11.29 | XorioZ | anyone know of a guide/tutorial on validators. think its about time i get to know a bit more about them. havent used them yet. |
| 16:11.38 | Motive | so jademus |
| 16:11.48 | Motive | like my proposal for the future of Galaxy language extensions? |
| 16:11.49 | Motive | http://pastebin.com/UwEAC6P7 |
| 16:12.00 | Nash|327 | I just use them, I never saw any guide though. |
| 16:12.15 | hello__ | o i see |
| 16:12.22 | hello__ | well thanks for the help bro |
| 16:12.37 | Dresnia | Nash|327 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPK0Szuhz1I |
| 16:12.38 | Dresnia | hahaha |
| 16:12.40 | hello__ | uhmm btw I just tested my map |
| 16:12.41 | hello__ | and |
| 16:12.43 | Dresnia | what the fuck is wrong with this guy |
| 16:12.44 | Dresnia | hahahaha |
| 16:12.45 | JademusSreg | No problem, hello person. |
| 16:12.48 | hello__ | the text doesnt show up o.lo |
| 16:13.06 | hello__ | isa that normal? |
| 16:13.06 | JademusSreg | Motive, looks sexy. How shall you go about this? |
| 16:13.07 | Dresnia | everyone take a break for http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPK0Szuhz1I |
| 16:13.08 | Dresnia | hahaha |
| 16:13.11 | Motive | I won't |
| 16:13.14 | Nash|327 | Kittun hater |
| 16:13.17 | Motive | I'm just saying that's prolly the simplest and sexiest approach |
| 16:13.17 | Motive | xD |
| 16:13.27 | Motive | Not too complicated, keeps things C-like |
| 16:13.34 | Dresnia | lol he yells he's going too rape his kittun |
| 16:13.37 | Nash|327 | He must die D: |
| 16:13.37 | Dresnia | what the hell haha |
| 16:13.41 | JademusSreg | hello, maybe. Is it appearing in game? Because that's all that matters. |
| 16:13.42 | Dresnia | he's crazy |
| 16:13.51 | Nash|327 | Kittun will kill him |
| 16:14.19 | XorioZ | oh nice. there actualy is a location arc validator. that's exactly what i need for this ability :) |
| 16:14.58 | hello__ | it doesnt show up in game |
| 16:15.04 | JademusSreg | Motive, why would you tease me in such a way? Flaunting sexy C-syntax extensions like some programming harlots, prepared to trounce my meat basket and wiggle away the evening. |
| 16:15.14 | Motive | xD |
| 16:15.17 | Motive | I want it too :( |
| 16:15.26 | Motive | Everyone's just going around creating these incredibly complex systems |
| 16:15.28 | Motive | keep is simple :( |
| 16:15.46 | JademusSreg | hello, I suspect you may have done it wrong. =D |
| 16:16.03 | Dresnia | hello__ : change your nickname man |
| 16:16.06 | Dresnia | it's wierd |
| 16:16.15 | Dresnia | I see jade talking to everyone or whatever |
| 16:16.17 | Brainshack | i dont understand that ladder system |
| 16:16.29 | Goodbye_ | heh |
| 16:16.32 | Dresnia | Brainshack : SC2 ladder system ? |
| 16:16.37 | Brainshack | y |
| 16:16.41 | Dresnia | http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=195273 |
| 16:16.42 | Dresnia | Read. |
| 16:16.44 | Brainshack | i win almost every game vs silver players |
| 16:16.48 | Brainshack | but still am bronze |
| 16:16.49 | Brainshack | t.t |
| 16:16.53 | Dresnia | Check link. |
| 16:16.57 | Dresnia | Thanks me lator |
| 16:16.58 | JademusSreg | The ladder is as mysterious as the magical miraculous mysteries of nature, bro. |
| 16:17.00 | JademusSreg | Wakka wakka |
| 16:17.08 | Dresnia | Brainshack : wanna do some games later on ?? |
| 16:17.12 | JademusSreg | Fucking ladders, how do they work? |
| 16:17.16 | Dresnia | JademusSreg : http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=195273 |
| 16:17.19 | Dresnia | READ DAMNIT |
| 16:17.21 | Dresnia | I KIIL U |
| 16:17.29 | JademusSreg | Naw. |
| 16:17.32 | Brainshack | nope im on the run for driving school and afterwards ill drink some beers |
| 16:17.36 | JademusSreg | I was poking fun at Brainshack. =D |
| 16:17.52 | Dresnia | TL;DR Keep winning, eventually we rank |
| 16:18.03 | Dresnia | I have around 60wins at 2 or 3th position in gold |
| 16:18.04 | JademusSreg | Nowai reely?! |
| 16:18.15 | Dresnia | Last games would be like 100games, 80~ wins |
| 16:18.20 | Dresnia | Still not ranked up >°> |
| 16:18.22 | XorioZ | argh does this mean i have to chek for 180 diferent arcs. 180 diferent fucking validators. uhmm... think ill go grab a smoke. |
| 16:18.32 | JademusSreg | We go up in rank if we win? How does that even I don't even know what is this how? |
| 16:18.52 | Dresnia | Jade go back to your closet man, you clearly came out a tad early today ! |
| 16:19.01 | JademusSreg | I am unripened. |
| 16:19.10 | JademusSreg | I was removed from the pob early. |
| 16:19.13 | JademusSreg | *pod |
| 16:20.03 | Dresnia | :-D |
| 16:20.06 | Motive | Oh boy |
| 16:20.13 | Motive | Time to add backward compatibility to CortexID :( |
| 16:20.16 | Motive | This'll be fun |
| 16:20.16 | Motive | Lol |
| 16:22.11 | Dresnia | Btw |
| 16:22.15 | Dresnia | Where is Helral|Afk at |
| 16:22.28 | Dresnia | didn't see him say anything for a while now.. |
| 16:22.32 | XorioZ | Vail can i borow your ear for a sec. |
| 16:22.35 | Motive | he turned into a cat |
| 16:22.38 | Motive | tragic, really. |
| 16:23.02 | Dresnia | I see. |
| 16:23.07 | Dresnia | Heeeere kitty kitty |
| 16:23.27 | XorioZ | on how to use the location arc validator. |
| 16:23.28 | Dresnia | Helral|Afk : http://www.comparestoreprices.co.uk/images/wh/whiskas-temptations-60g-bulk-pack-8-.jpg |
| 16:24.24 | JademusSreg | Motive, big news. |
| 16:24.28 | Motive | :O |
| 16:24.31 | JademusSreg | I actually posted in your topic. |
| 16:24.34 | Motive | :O |
| 16:24.38 | JademusSreg | I posted on the forums, le gasp. |
| 16:24.50 | Dresnia | Wich topic ? |
| 16:24.54 | Dresnia | I need too screencap this |
| 16:24.58 | JademusSreg | He knows the one. |
| 16:25.01 | Motive | :D |
| 16:25.21 | Dresnia | What the hell at your avatar Jade |
| 16:25.21 | Motive | We really should start coming up with some coding standards and just go crazy with libraries |
| 16:25.22 | Dresnia | haha |
| 16:25.22 | Motive | :p |
| 16:25.36 | JademusSreg | Yes, precisely. |
| 16:25.45 | JademusSreg | My avatar is burrito dentata. |
| 16:25.49 | XorioZ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH2-TGUlwu4 <-- there is your cat |
| 16:25.51 | Motive | Lolol |
| 16:26.22 | Dresnia | XorioZ : I got better. |
| 16:26.23 | Dresnia | 1 sec. |
| 16:26.33 | Dresnia | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgPZhrtCYFU |
| 16:26.38 | Dresnia | Now that's a legend. |
| 16:26.40 | XorioZ | nothing trumps the nyun cat |
| 16:26.45 | Dresnia | Check it. |
| 16:26.48 | Dresnia | Disagree later ! |
| 16:27.30 | JademusSreg | No, that was just gross. |
| 16:27.31 | XorioZ | ok you got me on that one. |
| 16:27.33 | Nash|327 | D_D |
| 16:27.36 | Nash|327 | that's horrible |
| 16:27.42 | JademusSreg | Malcom in the Middle lookin motherfucker. |
| 16:27.54 | Dresnia | What you on about now Jade ? |
| 16:27.58 | Dresnia | I'm not feeling you today ! |
| 16:28.02 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 16:28.56 | Dresnia | Oh, he has more of this crap movie stuff |
| 16:28.58 | burne- | 18mins of video |
| 16:29.00 | Dresnia | TROLLS AWAY |
| 16:29.03 | burne- | I doubt ill be able to render it |
| 16:29.13 | Dresnia | burne- why so |
| 16:29.19 | burne- | since my videos are always like HUGE and 18 mins is so loooong |
| 16:29.32 | Dresnia | Just let it run over night |
| 16:29.37 | burne- | also my tube uploads crash quite often |
| 16:29.43 | Dresnia | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVVzN1xxytU |
| 16:29.44 | Dresnia | lolol |
| 16:29.51 | Dresnia | OH HE DID A FLIP |
| 16:29.55 | Dresnia | screencap gif this shit |
| 16:30.05 | Dresnia | I wish I could do a flip :-( |
| 16:30.16 | JademusSreg | You can. |
| 16:30.21 | *** part/#sc2mapster Brainshack (~Christian@dslb-178-009-051-165.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 16:30.21 | JademusSreg | You just need to believe! |
| 16:30.28 | Dresnia | I would break my arms |
| 16:30.33 | Dresnia | They can't handle it ! |
| 16:30.34 | JademusSreg | Clap your hands if you believe, children. <3 |
| 16:30.35 | *** join/#sc2mapster MaxMode (~Adium@ip184-187-175-87.sb.sd.cox.net) |
| 16:30.55 | burne- | http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_205639&v=tgPZhrtCYFU&feature=iv |
| 16:30.57 | Dresnia | Dude seriously. Did you get some action last night or stuff ? |
| 16:31.00 | burne- | why does he get so many dislikes |
| 16:31.03 | Dresnia | You usually only say hard english words |
| 16:31.04 | burne- | i think thats kinda funny |
| 16:31.52 | Dresnia | Right, afk for food |
| 16:32.21 | Motive | Lawl |
| 16:32.31 | JademusSreg | It's not even worth the effort to dislike some obscure uninteresting video. =D |
| 16:32.52 | burne- | well iv seen worse videos be liked |
| 16:33.05 | burne- | like whiteboy7thstreet HOW FUCKING RETARDED CAN YOU GET?!?! |
| 16:33.20 | burne- | I hate it that he is always on page1 for god knows what reason |
| 16:33.29 | JademusSreg | I don't even know what you're saying there. |
| 16:33.29 | burne- | its like popularity on bnet |
| 16:33.32 | burne- | retards rule the world |
| 16:33.49 | burne- | you should visit yourtube more ofthen |
| 16:33.54 | burne- | and watch popular videos |
| 16:33.54 | JademusSreg | Isn't your awareness of them indicative of a complicity in their arrangement? |
| 16:34.24 | burne- | pls dont talk so diffucult english I dont understand |
| 16:34.24 | burne- | :( |
| 16:34.46 | JademusSreg | That your voluntary participation in their system which you ridicule as retarded an implicit endoresement of the very things you claim to despise? =D |
| 16:34.53 | JademusSreg | *is an |
| 16:35.09 | burne- | well I like most of the videos...so... |
| 16:35.24 | JademusSreg | [12:33:18] <burne-> like whiteboy7thstreet HOW FUCKING RETARDED CAN YOU GET?!?! |
| 16:35.24 | JademusSreg | [12:33:34] <burne-> I hate it that he is always on page1 for god knows what reason |
| 16:35.24 | JademusSreg | [12:33:42] <burne-> its like popularity on bnet |
| 16:35.25 | JademusSreg | [12:33:46] <burne-> retards rule the world |
| 16:35.25 | JademusSreg | [12:34:03] <burne-> you should visit yourtube more ofthen |
| 16:35.31 | JademusSreg | Those 5 lines are so telling. |
| 16:35.39 | burne- | mm |
| 16:35.55 | JademusSreg | "It's so retarded I hate it, you should come visit." |
| 16:36.01 | burne- | nooo |
| 16:36.06 | burne- | you are twisting my words |
| 16:36.38 | Motive | Bleh ambiguous Galaxy API |
| 16:36.48 | Motive | StringSub(blah, 0, 31) should be a 32-len string? |
| 16:36.53 | Motive | and won't omit anything, right? |
| 16:37.10 | JademusSreg | Index starts at 1, iirc. |
| 16:37.15 | JademusSreg | Weird right? |
| 16:37.31 | Motive | Lol |
| 16:37.33 | Motive | 1, 32 it is then |
| 16:37.50 | XorioZ | hmm how to connact to 2 servers in mIRC. wonna join quakenet to.. :( |
| 16:38.09 | burne- | what video format has optimat quality/size? |
| 16:38.17 | burne- | optimal |
| 16:38.38 | Dustin | AVI? |
| 16:38.50 | Dustin | xoriox |
| 16:38.55 | Dustin | XorioZ |
| 16:39.01 | JademusSreg | Hi Dustin. |
| 16:39.03 | XorioZ | just Xor |
| 16:39.05 | Dustin | hi |
| 16:39.12 | burne- | I dont know, thats why im asking |
| 16:39.19 | JademusSreg | How's your project going? |
| 16:39.24 | burne- | im not even sure what formats im rendering into |
| 16:39.34 | Dustin | File > Select Server, select it, open in new window |
| 16:39.46 | XorioZ | thx |
| 16:39.48 | JademusSreg | burne, H264? |
| 16:39.51 | Dustin | Its going goood |
| 16:40.02 | burne- | whats that? |
| 16:40.03 | burne- | :E |
| 16:40.05 | Dustin | Got wasd locked up, havent checked it mp though |
| 16:40.11 | Dustin | burne, is a video codec |
| 16:40.44 | burne- | cause my current rendering will be good quality 18mins is probly like 2-3Gigs which is a lot |
| 16:41.03 | Dustin | Video is very big |
| 16:43.19 | burne- | big video is big |
| 16:46.26 | *** join/#sc2mapster Rnuomer (~Rnuomer@cpe-67-240-129-41.rochester.res.rr.com) |
| 16:48.26 | XorioZ | NO! big video is small.. |
| 16:48.34 | *** join/#sc2mapster Acemore (c1d41a06@gateway/web/freenode/ip.193.212.26.6) |
| 16:49.15 | *** join/#sc2mapster Bounty (442d304d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.45.48.77) |
| 16:49.22 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 16:49.26 | Bounty | http://videogamegiveaways.blogspot.com/ |
| 16:49.28 | Bounty | watcha think now Jade? |
| 16:49.31 | Bounty | 100% free =P |
| 16:49.36 | Acemore | well if it isn't Bounty |
| 16:49.36 | Bounty | you were right |
| 16:49.38 | Acemore | long time no see :) |
| 16:49.42 | Acemore | if you remember me |
| 16:49.51 | Bounty | i met all 3 criteria to be an illegal lottery LOL |
| 16:49.54 | Bounty | hey Acemore :) |
| 16:50.15 | JademusSreg | I think it is hilarious, |
| 16:50.34 | JademusSreg | But you might be free of legal scrutiny for the time being. |
| 16:50.42 | Bounty | i know i am |
| 16:50.46 | Bounty | by saying this |
| 16:50.47 | Acemore | saw your latest... Project Avatars? |
| 16:50.54 | Bounty | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:51.00 | Bounty | justb y saying that |
| 16:51.01 | Bounty | im not a lottery |
| 16:51.07 | Bounty | my hard drive was wiped Acemore :( |
| 16:51.11 | Bounty | i lost everything |
| 16:51.34 | Acemore | aw damn |
| 16:51.35 | Acemore | that sucks |
| 16:51.36 | Acemore | :P |
| 16:52.34 | Bounty | Dont think its a good idea JademusSreg? |
| 16:52.35 | Acemore | so, the new custom map system any good? been away for a while ^^ |
| 16:52.42 | Bounty | no idea Acemore |
| 16:52.43 | Bounty | lol |
| 16:52.43 | Dustin | Hmmm |
| 16:52.50 | Dustin | I need some good music for my bomberman map |
| 16:53.30 | JademusSreg | Bounty, naw, because now you are a disadvantage. You lose money in this operation. |
| 16:53.55 | Bounty | i need traffic more then anything Jademus |
| 16:54.02 | Bounty | i can afford giving away an indie game a week |
| 16:54.17 | JademusSreg | People will either think it's a scam (who would willingly just lose money like that, there must be a catch) or that the operator is not very smart. =D |
| 16:54.26 | Bounty | im not giving anything big away unless the donations build up that allow me to do so |
| 16:54.42 | Bounty | well i guess the first giveaway will get rid of that :) |
| 16:55.06 | Bounty | 5-10 bucks a week |
| 16:55.29 | Bounty | its not about donations |
| 16:55.31 | Bounty | its about traffic |
| 16:55.59 | XorioZ | it would probebly be easyest to make the giveaway for steam. i mean then you wont have to pay for anny vats and soon. |
| 16:56.30 | XorioZ | so-on |
| 16:57.35 | Acemore | so how's the custom map scene nowadays? lots of activity? increasing or decreasing? |
| 16:57.42 | JademusSreg | Both? =D |
| 16:57.43 | Bounty | thats how i would do it Xorio |
| 16:57.53 | Acemore | Jademus both? :p |
| 16:59.12 | JademusSreg | It's still active, the activity fluctuates, some good stuff is being produced, and a whole torrent a crap just like everything evah. |
| 16:59.52 | XorioZ | just call me Xor ppl seam to have dificulty writing out my whole nick and Xor sound cool since its a digital logic gate. |
| 17:00.10 | Acemore | i see |
| 17:00.28 | Acemore | new maps not being played still a problem? |
| 17:00.38 | Acemore | or has the 'fun or not' feature fixed this? :P |
| 17:01.31 | JademusSreg | Depends on who you ask. |
| 17:01.36 | JademusSreg | I think it's working just fine, |
| 17:02.03 | JademusSreg | but then people who are not directly benefiting from the system think it discriminates against them. =D |
| 17:02.25 | Acemore | hehe :) |
| 17:02.30 | Acemore | well it used to be a huge problem the first few months of WoL's release at least |
| 17:02.54 | hello__ | anyone knows how to get a players name as a string |
| 17:02.55 | hello__ | ? |
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| 17:03.21 | Goodbye_ | this validator discriminates against me |
| 17:03.22 | JademusSreg | Can't. |
| 17:03.23 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 17:03.35 | hello__ | o.0 |
| 17:03.43 | JademusSreg | TextToString cannot be done. |
| 17:03.44 | hello__ | im sure you can brah |
| 17:03.50 | JademusSreg | Noooooooppe. |
| 17:04.00 | XorioZ | Vail my man. |
| 17:04.00 | hello__ | ive seen it may times |
| 17:04.01 | hello__ | in game |
| 17:04.08 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
| 17:04.09 | Vail | yes? |
| 17:04.17 | JademusSreg | PlayerName returns text. |
| 17:04.18 | XorioZ | need help on a validator |
| 17:04.25 | XorioZ | or rather explenation |
| 17:04.29 | Vail | odd so do i |
| 17:04.35 | Vail | but i will try to help |
| 17:04.40 | JademusSreg | Text is like string, but it is used to display and it supports markup. |
| 17:04.51 | XorioZ | the Location arc validator |
| 17:05.02 | XorioZ | how exactly do i use it |
| 17:05.13 | XorioZ | it has 2 locations |
| 17:05.21 | XorioZ | but shouldent it have 3? |
| 17:05.25 | XorioZ | to get an arc |
| 17:05.47 | Acemore | so, have they made it possible to remove all UI except minimap yet? :) |
| 17:05.56 | JademusSreg | Of course. |
| 17:06.03 | JademusSreg | It's been possible for a while. |
| 17:06.14 | Acemore | i have been out of the scene for half a year |
| 17:06.21 | Vail | it has three... one the value like caster unit |
| 17:06.23 | Acemore | :( |
| 17:06.25 | Vail | id assume |
| 17:06.36 | Acemore | what about moving the chat? |
| 17:06.40 | JademusSreg | Best place to start, Ace, is to check the custom maps on bnet. |
| 17:06.43 | XorioZ | the validator- value + |
| 17:06.47 | JademusSreg | Play them. =D |
| 17:07.00 | Acemore | i know, but i'm at work! and my curiousity got the best of me |
| 17:07.04 | Rnuomer | If I wanted to make another Hero Arena style game, what should I do to set it apart from the rest? |
| 17:07.05 | JademusSreg | Ahh. |
| 17:07.20 | XorioZ | is it posible to chek if the arc is smaler then or grater then something? |
| 17:07.23 | Acemore | thinking of rebooting my map |
| 17:07.42 | XorioZ | i would hate to make 180 diferent arc validators |
| 17:07.56 | Acemore | but wondering how much the editor has in fact improved |
| 17:08.01 | JademusSreg | Rnu, include lagomorphs. =D |
| 17:08.03 | Vail | what are you trying to make Xor? |
| 17:08.19 | Acemore | so can you move the position where chat appears? :) |
| 17:08.24 | JademusSreg | Yuip. |
| 17:08.30 | Acemore | awesome |
| 17:08.31 | JademusSreg | Check out Photon Cycles. |
| 17:08.42 | JademusSreg | The chat is in the bottom left. |
| 17:08.46 | Acemore | sweet |
| 17:08.50 | Rnuomer | lagomorphs |
| 17:08.51 | XorioZ | still the fiering arc ability |
| 17:08.56 | Rnuomer | bunnies? =:D |
| 17:09.00 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 17:09.12 | Rnuomer | I managed to get the Bunny model from WoW in |
| 17:09.22 | Rnuomer | but it's kind of not working right... |
| 17:09.42 | Acemore | been in the scene since the beginning Jade? |
| 17:09.45 | Rnuomer | it's either always on the "fidget" animation thingy or just "stand still" |
| 17:09.50 | XorioZ | so i want to chek if the selected arc is betewan say 45 and 55 degrees and then fire the matching ability |
| 17:10.02 | Vail | would it be possible to creat a few create persistant abilities and make the ability cycle between them? |
| 17:10.11 | Vail | ah |
| 17:10.59 | Vail | create persistent effects pardon |
| 17:11.23 | XorioZ | then ill make say 10 create persistents all with matching offsets and fire the one that matches the selected arc |
| 17:12.09 | Vail | i dont think the location arc validator can handle that. |
| 17:12.49 | Vail | atlest not alone you might need a condition or function validator that uses the location arc.. |
| 17:12.50 | XorioZ | the idea is that you can ither fire your gatling gun in a large arc to hit as many as posible with low damage or consentrate the arc and hot a few but deal masive damage |
| 17:13.01 | XorioZ | ok |
| 17:13.44 | Nash|327 | make different abilities |
| 17:13.50 | Vail | no |
| 17:14.05 | Vail | you may want to use a diffrent validator altogether and try a diffrent method |
| 17:14.54 | XorioZ | aw... was so releaved when i found that there was a location arc validator to. :) |
| 17:15.24 | Nash|327 | use a cone AoE |
| 17:16.20 | XorioZ | yea thought about that. but how do i change the cone size acording to a selceted fiering arc |
| 17:16.23 | Nash|327 | make different abilities with different cones |
| 17:16.27 | Vail | no |
| 17:16.30 | Vail | nash shut up |
| 17:16.51 | Vail | can do it with one ability and the unit order target type validator |
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| 17:17.17 | Frostwind | How do you move all data from a map to a mod without having to manually copy each and every item? |
| 17:17.40 | Vail | make it so that if the target is point the abiliy uses an AoE cone... and if its unit then it uses a smaller one or other |
| 17:17.42 | Nash|327 | you could have different abilities and show/hide buttons depending on what you're using |
| 17:17.53 | Nash|327 | like a toggle with multiple states |
| 17:18.00 | Vail | more abilities = bad |
| 17:18.21 | burne- | 82% |
| 17:18.32 | burne- | iv been rendering for like 1h :E |
| 17:18.42 | burne- | I just doubt the upload is going to work |
| 17:19.00 | Vail | what file type is it burne? |
| 17:19.06 | Vail | or will it be |
| 17:19.08 | XorioZ | gonna grab a smoke |
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| 17:19.31 | *** join/#sc2mapster burne-_ (d9186da5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.24.109.165) |
| 17:19.41 | burne-_ | its m2t or something |
| 17:19.59 | Vail | never heard of it eh well.. |
| 17:20.37 | Vail | nash sorry i just arbitraily said to Shut up. was rude and though i do tease and troll you from time to time it was uncalled for |
| 17:20.45 | Dresnia | Man I ate so much. |
| 17:20.52 | Frostwind | How do you move all data from a map to a mod without having to manually copy each and every item? |
| 17:20.52 | Nash|327 | Alrighty. |
| 17:20.53 | Dresnia | I'm about too explode |
| 17:21.13 | Dresnia | Vail wtf man |
| 17:21.16 | JademusSreg | Frosty, extract the files with an MPQ editor and import them into the mod. |
| 17:21.19 | Dresnia | [19:21] Vail: nash sorry i just arbitraily said to Shut up. was rude and though i do tease and troll you from time to time it was uncalled for |
| 17:21.22 | Vail | you convert the map to a mod... since they are virtually the same thing |
| 17:21.23 | Dresnia | Are you a homo ? |
| 17:21.28 | Vail | no |
| 17:21.28 | Nash|327 | D_D |
| 17:21.44 | Dresnia | Then why excuse to the biggest troll on this channel |
| 17:21.49 | Frostwind | you can't save a map as a mod |
| 17:21.54 | Vail | i just dont want to seem like a jerk unless i want to seem like a jerk.. |
| 17:21.56 | JademusSreg | Hahaha |
| 17:21.58 | Frostwind | the editor doesn't let you |
| 17:22.04 | Nash|327 | I am not a troll D: |
| 17:22.05 | JademusSreg | Frost, that's not what I said. |
| 17:22.10 | Vail | you can save a map as a component file folder |
| 17:22.14 | Motive | Jademus, happy birthday! |
| 17:22.17 | Motive | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/galaxy-scripting-and-trigger-lib/22570-galaxy-md5-sha256-hashing-library/ |
| 17:22.24 | Frostwind | Vailyou convert the map to a mod... since they are virtually the same thing |
| 17:22.31 | Frostwind | vail did |
| 17:22.35 | Motive | Also updated CortexID to be cryptographically secure, and have some backwards compatibility :) |
| 17:22.35 | Motive | https://github.com/Motive/CortexEngine/blob/master/Common/CortexID.galaxy |
| 17:22.43 | Motive | So now I can uniquely identify players, fo' real. |
| 17:22.44 | Vail | the only reall diffence is the name and that one has terrain |
| 17:22.52 | Motive | And have actually completely secure admin powers |
| 17:22.53 | Motive | :) |
| 17:22.56 | JademusSreg | Sexy, Motive. <3 |
| 17:23.02 | Dresnia | Motive : what am I looking at ? |
| 17:23.14 | Motive | I use CortexID to uniquely identify people who play my map. |
| 17:23.22 | Motive | And to determine whether or not a player is me, and gets admin powers. |
| 17:23.30 | Frostwind | I've searched the forums with no luck |
| 17:23.40 | Dresnia | Can't you check a nickname ? |
| 17:23.40 | Vail | i converted maps to mods in beta by saving the maps as componet lists then renaming these folder from Blah.SC2Map to Blah.SC2Mop and deleting the terrain data |
| 17:23.45 | Dresnia | So if nickname == yours > admin |
| 17:23.46 | Motive | No, and that'd be insecure anyways. |
| 17:23.49 | Motive | This is completely secure. Lol |
| 17:23.56 | Vail | mod not mop |
| 17:24.00 | Motive | The amount of effort someone would have to put in would be... interesting. |
| 17:24.24 | JademusSreg | They'd need the source to have a chance, I expect. |
| 17:24.28 | Nash|327 | login dialog :o? |
| 17:24.30 | Motive | Nah |
| 17:24.35 | Motive | They'd need to brute force the sha256 hash |
| 17:24.35 | Motive | rofl |
| 17:24.37 | Motive | good luck with that |
| 17:25.15 | Dresnia | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/general/general-chat/22569-tonight-on-sc2streamster-terraining-tuesday-5/#p4 |
| 17:25.17 | Dresnia | HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 17:25.17 | JademusSreg | Even with the source, it would take more cycles than person is likely to have lying around. |
| 17:25.21 | Dresnia | My best post so far |
| 17:25.22 | Vail | Frostwind: people tend to forget that the editor can save its files as Uncompressed folders |
| 17:25.35 | Dresnia | I'm so going to get that removed by a moderator |
| 17:25.36 | Frostwind | So no step by step info? |
| 17:25.39 | Dresnia | so click while you can |
| 17:25.52 | JademusSreg | Naw Vail, all the big scripters do that too. =D |
| 17:25.56 | Frostwind | I have no idea how to move the data |
| 17:26.08 | Motive | Yup, exactly. |
| 17:26.09 | Vail | well some poeple forget |
| 17:26.51 | JademusSreg | Perhaps it is more accurate to say they are not aware of that feature. |
| 17:27.18 | Frostwind | :( |
| 17:27.19 | Vail | any way Frostwind: save your map as a component list and remove all of the terrain files then rename the Blah.SC2Map as Blah.SC2Mod and open this folder in the editor |
| 17:27.58 | Vail | if you do it correctly it will open the folder like any other mod file and you can save it as a new name |
| 17:28.03 | Vail | as a mod |
| 17:28.15 | Frostwind | ok, what do you delete |
| 17:28.27 | Frostwind | like exact file name |
| 17:28.29 | Vail | give me a sec its been since beta that i have done this |
| 17:30.55 | XorioZ | hmm. got a wierd idea while grabing a smoke. i could spawn an invisible unit ta the first target location and then set it to patroll to the seacond target location then it would walk betwean these two locations and all i will have to do is set an aoe damage buff on set unit. doese this make any sence? |
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| 17:32.08 | Ashamed | any yall play epic mafia before? |
| 17:32.37 | Ashamed | anyone here............ .... .. . . . . |
| 17:32.55 | Xaragoth | shoes Ashamed away. |
| 17:33.01 | Ashamed | No |
| 17:33.02 | Xaragoth | And yes. with a shoe. |
| 17:34.00 | Vail | ok Frostwind you would be removing mapinfo mapinfo.version mapscript, minimap, painted pathing layer, all of the t3 files,and thats about it i think |
| 17:34.23 | Vail | well maybe triggers too give me a sec |
| 17:34.43 | Frostwind | i need triggers |
| 17:35.34 | Vail | mods cant have triggers they can contain them but they do not execute them |
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| 17:36.47 | Frostwind | mods can have them as the blizzard ones do |
| 17:37.13 | Vail | they can CONTAIN them but mods can not RUN them |
| 17:37.42 | Vail | triggers run only in maps.. so they have to be removed when converting the map to a mod |
| 17:38.44 | Vail | if there si a library or somthing you have imported into the map you can keep that |
| 17:39.16 | Frostwind | Look at the blizzard mods from the campaign. they contain new triggers not found in the editor by default |
| 17:39.47 | Vail | yes but the mods them selves do not Run them they run in the maps... |
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| 17:40.28 | Frostwind | ok we |
| 17:40.30 | mapman | hello |
| 17:40.34 | mapman | how do you make a dialog item display only for a few players and not for the others |
| 17:40.39 | mapman | >:( |
| 17:42.39 | XorioZ | hmm. still facing the problem of how to make an ability that have 2 target effects (Has to click at 2 points to activate the ability) was thinking of making 2 abilityes one is the first target the seacond is a hidden ability the i fire whith a trigger when the first one is used. the problem with this approach is that the unit using the ability shouldent move if the seacond target effect is |
| 17:42.39 | XorioZ | out of range. am i making any sence at all here? |
| 17:44.41 | mapman | uhm |
| 17:44.46 | mapman | let me read this a few more times |
| 17:45.18 | Dresnia | XorioZ : you want Magicka ish |
| 17:47.14 | XorioZ | nope. what i want is an ability the fiers from point a to point b back and fourth untill a sertin time has run. a sweaping motion with a gatling gun. i want to be able to select the 2 points it should sweap betwean |
| 17:47.57 | XorioZ | mapman you can put the players you want to show the dialog to in a player group and then show the dialog to that player group. i think. |
| 17:48.29 | mapman | ok |
| 17:48.41 | mapman | so the show dialog to player group is a function? |
| 17:48.56 | XorioZ | sec have to chek the editor |
| 17:50.17 | mapman | ok |
| 17:50.28 | XorioZ | Show/Hide Dialog is an action |
| 17:50.34 | mapman | yea |
| 17:50.35 | mapman | but |
| 17:50.39 | mapman | if it remember |
| 17:50.41 | mapman | theres no parameter |
| 17:50.42 | mapman | to it |
| 17:50.51 | XorioZ | there are 2 |
| 17:50.58 | mapman | oh |
| 17:51.00 | mapman | cool |
| 17:51.06 | XorioZ | the dialog var and the player group you want to show it to |
| 17:51.15 | XorioZ | or hide it from |
| 17:51.51 | mapman | oh i think even better |
| 17:51.56 | Nash|327 | boss bar, however, have no parameters for hiding |
| 17:51.56 | mapman | show/hide dialog item |
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| 17:52.29 | Nash|327 | and if you create them for a player group and then remove a player, and choose to hide them |
| 17:52.38 | Nash|327 | they stay visible for removed player D; |
| 17:53.26 | XorioZ | that's dumb |
| 17:53.40 | XorioZ | is it a bug? |
| 17:54.03 | *** join/#sc2mapster Bounty (442d304d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.45.48.77) |
| 17:54.04 | Nash|327 | depends how you define bug |
| 17:54.06 | Bounty | DUDE lol |
| 17:54.12 | Nash|327 | I mean, it has no parameters |
| 17:54.14 | Bounty | i earned 5 bucks from adsense already |
| 17:54.23 | Nash|327 | if the parameters didn't work, that would be a bug |
| 17:54.25 | Bounty | and i just put up the ads like 5 minutes ago |
| 17:54.26 | Nash|327 | but it has none |
| 17:54.28 | Dresnia | o_O |
| 17:54.34 | Dresnia | Bounty : on what website then ? :D |
| 17:54.36 | Nash|327 | so it's just shitty implementation |
| 17:54.55 | Bounty | http://videogamegiveaways.blogspot.com/ |
| 17:55.04 | Bounty | on that |
| 17:55.12 | Rnuomer | looks like a scam URL to me tbh |
| 17:55.28 | Bounty | its not, its mine |
| 17:55.33 | Nash|327 | I had to hide boss bar for all players in the group if a player leaves arena |
| 17:55.40 | Rnuomer | just saying |
| 17:55.52 | Dresnia | Bounty, why would you give away games |
| 17:55.53 | Nash|327 | then it's recreated shortly after for the players still in arena |
| 17:55.55 | Nash|327 | D_D |
| 17:56.01 | Bounty | why not Dresnia |
| 17:56.08 | Dresnia | Got money spare ? |
| 17:56.15 | Bounty | its not like i have to pay shipping, since im distributing on steam |
| 17:56.20 | Bounty | the ads will pay for the giveaways |
| 17:56.22 | Bounty | and donations |
| 17:56.27 | Bounty | that 5 bucks i just made from ads |
| 17:56.30 | Bounty | is going towards the game |
| 17:56.38 | Dresnia | Aha |
| 17:56.40 | Nash|327 | lawl Fixedsys font |
| 17:56.52 | XorioZ | where is the ad? |
| 17:57.05 | Dresnia | under the banner |
| 17:57.12 | Bounty | there should be 3 locations |
| 17:57.16 | Bounty | top bottom and side |
| 17:57.22 | Dresnia | ah yea |
| 17:57.28 | Bounty | you guys should enter =P |
| 17:57.42 | Bounty | soon as i get 20 email subs ill start the first batch |
| 17:57.45 | Nash|327 | I don't want those games |
| 17:57.56 | XorioZ | hmm think my browser is blocking the ad |
| 17:58.02 | XorioZ | sry |
| 17:58.10 | Nash|327 | My browser blocks ads |
| 17:58.12 | XorioZ | have an ad blocker installed |
| 17:58.15 | Nash|327 | ADBLOCK FUCK YEAH |
| 17:58.17 | Bounty | its cool lol |
| 17:58.26 | Dresnia | Bounty: should make the pictures link to steam in a new window aswell |
| 17:58.39 | Bounty | yeah i know |
| 17:58.46 | Bounty | but i did seperate links so i have the words of the games on the blog |
| 17:58.49 | Bounty | so it affects the ads |
| 17:59.20 | Nash|327 | I have TF2, Magicka sucks, Terraria looks stupid. |
| 17:59.22 | Nash|327 | ;G |
| 17:59.26 | Bounty | lol |
| 17:59.29 | Bounty | well its free so |
| 17:59.31 | Rnuomer | I have my adblocker off like all time |
| 17:59.47 | Nash|327 | Doesn't matter if it's free if I don't want it. |
| 17:59.54 | Bounty | true |
| 17:59.57 | Bounty | but the thing is |
| 18:00.01 | Nash|327 | And it would be stupid to sign up for a contest to win shit you don't want |
| 18:00.06 | Nash|327 | so someone else doesn't get it |
| 18:00.06 | Bounty | the more revenue i generate through ads and donations, the bigger the games |
| 18:00.08 | Bounty | like |
| 18:00.16 | Bounty | i hope to eventually be able to give away 50-60 dollar games |
| 18:00.21 | Bounty | daily |
| 18:00.26 | Bounty | but thats a long ways away |
| 18:00.27 | Bounty | lol |
| 18:00.33 | Nash|327 | You're just taking things away from others which you don't want yourself, that's just petty. |
| 18:00.40 | Nash|327 | To each according to need. |
| 18:00.54 | Bounty | I'm taking things away from others? |
| 18:00.59 | Bounty | or were you talking about something else >< |
| 18:01.01 | Nash|327 | No, people who sign up |
| 18:01.04 | Bounty | Ah |
| 18:01.05 | Nash|327 | and don't want the games |
| 18:01.07 | Nash|327 | D_D |
| 18:01.10 | Bounty | thats fine lol |
| 18:01.19 | Bounty | ill most likely do polls eventually |
| 18:01.25 | Bounty | and the top 3 get into the next pool |
| 18:01.42 | Nash|327 | Why would people donate, though? |
| 18:01.59 | Nash|327 | So you can give games away to random people? |
| 18:02.03 | Rnuomer | I have TF2 and Magicka but I can't be butted to be an email subscriber post comment & do things |
| 18:02.13 | Nash|327 | Doesn't seem very enticing. |
| 18:02.18 | Bounty | Well its only there for people that want to support the idea |
| 18:02.18 | Rnuomer | for Terraris but looks fun tho |
| 18:02.21 | Bounty | and |
| 18:02.29 | Bounty | like i said |
| 18:02.34 | Bounty | the more revenue generated the more giveaways |
| 18:02.41 | Bounty | like say im giving away a 10 dollar game |
| 18:02.52 | Bounty | and during that giveaway i generate like 35 dollars in revenue from ads and donations |
| 18:02.58 | Bounty | ill give away 3 copies |
| 18:03.05 | Nash|327 | If I was going to spend money like that I'd rather give a game away to someone I know who I know whats the game. |
| 18:03.06 | Bounty | so 3 winners instead of 1 |
| 18:03.11 | Nash|327 | D:~~ |
| 18:03.25 | Bounty | think i should make that a criteria? |
| 18:03.27 | Bounty | like |
| 18:03.32 | Bounty | say what game you want in your entry and why |
| 18:03.54 | Nash|327 | Well, no point giving away games to people who don't want them. |
| 18:03.59 | Rnuomer | if someone donated, would that have any impact on their chances to win a thing? |
| 18:04.08 | Bounty | kinda |
| 18:04.11 | Dresnia | *donates 100$* |
| 18:04.15 | Dresnia | Gets magicka for 10$ |
| 18:04.15 | Bounty | read above whati just said |
| 18:04.17 | Dresnia | FUCK YEAH |
| 18:04.29 | Bounty | revenue will go towards the giveaways |
| 18:04.32 | Nash|327 | And if you sign up just to win game X, and they win game Y, which they don't want, it's kind of stupid D_D |
| 18:04.42 | Bounty | you get to choose what game you want |
| 18:04.44 | Bounty | if you win |
| 18:04.50 | Bounty | out of the 3 |
| 18:05.13 | Dresnia | what if we don't want any of them |
| 18:05.19 | Bounty | then dont enter :) |
| 18:05.24 | Bounty | and wait for the next |
| 18:05.28 | Dresnia | Just trolling along. |
| 18:05.30 | Bounty | lolol |
| 18:05.31 | Nash|327 | From a utilitarian viewpoint, the games should be given to those for whom they generate the greatest amount of happiness. |
| 18:05.45 | Dresnia | Imo, if this gets viral, you could make profit for no real work. |
| 18:05.55 | Bounty | well if you can tell me a way to do that nash im all ears |
| 18:06.08 | Bounty | i think thats the biggest draw Dresnia |
| 18:06.09 | Rnuomer | magic |
| 18:06.10 | Dresnia | You could make a formula. |
| 18:06.16 | Bounty | is that like 90% of the revenue |
| 18:06.17 | Nash|327 | Alas, that is hard to accomplish. |
| 18:06.19 | Bounty | go towards more giveaways |
| 18:06.25 | Bounty | so in theory |
| 18:06.26 | Dresnia | Amount of posts, amounts of checks on a weekly basis... |
| 18:06.30 | Bounty | if i got shit loads of revenue |
| 18:06.35 | Nash|327 | But you could have people explain why they want the game. |
| 18:06.36 | Bounty | i could give away like 50 copies of a game |
| 18:06.47 | Nash|327 | Which means they would have to have some knowledge about it. |
| 18:06.58 | Bounty | So i should get rid of the random element? |
| 18:06.58 | Nash|327 | Probably due to having looked it up and concluded it was interesting. |
| 18:07.09 | Nash|327 | Not necessarily. |
| 18:07.15 | Bounty | ah ok i get it |
| 18:07.20 | Bounty | use the RNG first |
| 18:07.23 | Bounty | see what the post says |
| 18:07.25 | Bounty | if it sucks |
| 18:07.27 | Bounty | redraw |
| 18:07.42 | Nash|327 | But you could remove all the "I WANT FREE GAME PLZ" idiots from the draw. |
| 18:07.53 | Bounty | well thats easy |
| 18:07.57 | Bounty | the way it works is based on the comment number |
| 18:07.59 | Dresnia | but i want free gamez !!! |
| 18:08.02 | Bounty | like if you're the 10th person to comment |
| 18:08.06 | Bounty | thats you're entry |
| 18:08.13 | Bounty | your* |
| 18:08.20 | Bounty | if the number 10 comes up |
| 18:08.21 | Bounty | you win |
| 18:08.26 | Dresnia | cool |
| 18:08.29 | Dresnia | gief gaim |
| 18:08.41 | Bounty | there would be rules of course |
| 18:08.46 | Bounty | like, 1 entry per day |
| 18:09.00 | Dresnia | penetrate also count ? |
| 18:09.12 | Bounty | if you're selected as a winner and i see that you commented more then once in that same day.. DQ'd |
| 18:09.14 | Nash|327 | What about multiple accounts? |
| 18:09.16 | *** join/#sc2mapster MindWorX` (~Nikolaj.M@188.176.196.178) |
| 18:09.48 | Bounty | Well they would have to have diff email accounts to |
| 18:09.55 | Bounty | because you have to include your email in your entry |
| 18:10.13 | Nash|327 | make a bunch of random free webmail accounts |
| 18:10.24 | Dresnia | hotmail is hard |
| 18:10.31 | Bounty | is there a way to check an emails IP addy? |
| 18:10.45 | Dresnia | proxy's |
| 18:11.06 | Dresnia | It's doable ofc, but it won't be easy too ban them. |
| 18:11.11 | Dresnia | Then again, if they 'bot' it |
| 18:11.15 | Dresnia | you also get add pays |
| 18:11.17 | Dresnia | So who cares |
| 18:11.32 | MindWorX` | humps JademusSreg furiously |
| 18:11.37 | Dresnia | Just don't give games to users named DFGSD355235 and 423JGDHIII |
| 18:11.54 | Nash|327 | comment IP and e-mail could make it enough of a hassle |
| 18:11.55 | Bounty | well yeah |
| 18:12.07 | Nash|327 | you'd have to register with different e-mails in different places |
| 18:12.32 | Nash|327 | to have a chance to win a cheap game |
| 18:12.42 | Nash|327 | doesn't seem worth it D_D |
| 18:13.00 | Dresnia | Well it's cheap now.. |
| 18:13.10 | Dresnia | Once adds pay decent it could become 'new games' |
| 18:13.15 | Rnuomer | wait a kminute |
| 18:13.16 | Bounty | ^ |
| 18:13.18 | Bounty | thats the point |
| 18:13.21 | Rnuomer | TF2 is a cheap game now? |
| 18:13.24 | Bounty | what dresnia just said |
| 18:13.33 | Bounty | all the games in the current pool are 10 bucks |
| 18:13.38 | Rnuomer | =:O |
| 18:13.43 | Bounty | im starting small becuase it scoming out of my pocket |
| 18:13.44 | Bounty | 100% |
| 18:13.54 | Dresnia | Once you start giving out pre-orders on shit like a new expansion of WoW |
| 18:14.04 | Dresnia | Be ready for a shitstorm on your bandwith ;P |
| 18:14.53 | Bounty | lol |
| 18:15.09 | Bounty | well yeah i also hope to eliminate steam as the main distribution |
| 18:15.26 | Bounty | but like i said, its all coming out of my pocket now so i gotta stay small |
| 18:15.39 | Rnuomer | what about needing to provide your Steam in the comment? |
| 18:15.52 | Bounty | that would be done via email |
| 18:15.57 | Rnuomer | oh |
| 18:15.58 | Rnuomer | kk |
| 18:16.02 | Bounty | i'll email the winner and ask what game they want and for their steam account |
| 18:16.12 | Dresnia | That's illegal. |
| 18:16.13 | Vail | drat man i alomost have this working |
| 18:16.27 | Dresnia | You could just buy a cd-key and give him that, so he can activate it on steam. |
| 18:16.34 | Dresnia | You can't ask for a persons steam. |
| 18:16.41 | Bounty | uh yes you can |
| 18:16.46 | Bounty | thats how you send the game lol |
| 18:16.47 | Bounty | you gift it |
| 18:16.55 | Vail | Xor you still here? |
| 18:17.14 | Dresnia | http://www.g2play.net/store/ -- http://cdkeysdiscount.com/ |
| 18:17.18 | Dresnia | for even cheaper steam keys |
| 18:18.29 | Dresnia | 20:18:54: To make up 10$ from adsense you'd need 10,000 page views. |
| 18:18.29 | Dresnia | 20:19:00: So... |
| 18:18.29 | Dresnia | 20:19:05: How does that work out? |
| 18:18.49 | Bounty | thats not true |
| 18:18.54 | Bounty | it depends on the ads |
| 18:18.59 | Bounty | some ads pay alot more then others |
| 18:20.02 | Dresnia | This guy claiming this makes websites that sell for 100-500k $ |
| 18:20.16 | Dresnia | Ofc without adds tho, but I sorta tend too trust him :P |
| 18:20.38 | Bounty | hes talking about page views though |
| 18:20.39 | Dresnia | 20:21:14: It is true. If you want to make anything above that you'll need to personally make deals with big firms. And you'll need to be able to get lucrative markets, age groups and nationalities. |
| 18:20.41 | Bounty | clicks generate something else |
| 18:22.05 | Frostwind | Why do I get a syntax error for lib3_InitLib(); |
| 18:22.32 | Frostwind | my lib is inside a mod |
| 18:22.43 | XorioZ | just herd the wirdest frais on the tv. this is my world and i nible at it. |
| 18:24.55 | Frostwind | anyone? |
| 18:24.57 | Vail | grah if i could just figure out these actors |
| 18:26.15 | Dresnia | http://cdkeysdiscount.com/107-steam-cd-key-duke-nukem-forever-preorder.html |
| 18:26.19 | Dresnia | DNF for less then 20€ |
| 18:26.21 | Dresnia | tempting ! |
| 18:29.29 | Vail | i have a weapon that fires in a 180 degree arc sequentially but i can only get the middle flame to show up |
| 18:29.57 | Acemore | any news on hosting maps across regions? |
| 18:30.20 | Acemore | has blizz said anything about it? |
| 18:30.47 | Dresnia | Errr |
| 18:30.56 | Dresnia | I'll give you a few tips. |
| 18:31.15 | Dresnia | It's BLIZZARD / ACTIVISION. They earn even more by not providing this option so you buy more regions. |
| 18:31.30 | Acemore | sigh indeed |
| 18:32.01 | Acemore | so basically you have to buy one additional copy of the game for each region you want your map hosted |
| 18:32.17 | Vail | seems that way.. |
| 18:32.18 | Dresnia | Well, yes. Since account sharing is against the rules. |
| 18:32.18 | Acemore | then when HotS is released, one copy of that for each region.... again |
| 18:32.27 | Dresnia | But you can just ask a friend here. |
| 18:32.37 | Dresnia | Fx JademusSreg would be my muppet for NA. |
| 18:32.39 | Dresnia | Or Sixen. |
| 18:32.50 | Dresnia | I'm a EU and 100% clean/trustable. |
| 18:32.52 | Vail | and then when LoV is out..another.... |
| 18:32.55 | Dresnia | So feel free too abuse me. |
| 18:33.12 | Dresnia | I been considering buying a account for each region and throw it on forums. |
| 18:33.27 | Dresnia | But I guess they would just abuse/ninja it like instantly.. |
| 18:33.30 | Acemore | i'm eu too, been in the scene a while ago, just came back, had to check if they had changed anything ^^ |
| 18:33.30 | Dresnia | + the MB limit crap. |
| 18:33.32 | Acemore | but guess not |
| 18:33.49 | Acemore | i have a US account actually |
| 18:34.10 | Dresnia | I don't see a reason why you would need a HOTS for uploading though. |
| 18:34.12 | Vail | why would they blizzard has no need to monitize map making since wow is still a money press |
| 18:34.25 | Dresnia | Vail, business is business. |
| 18:34.36 | Vail | yep. |
| 18:34.40 | Dresnia | They don't sell games, they sell products. Shareholders want a healthy company. |
| 18:35.03 | Dresnia | We, as 'medium living people' tend to find this annoying. But yet we still pay without hasitation. |
| 18:35.06 | Acemore | just too bad that the map makers (the ones who actually do the work) are the ones that suffer |
| 18:35.29 | Dresnia | Nah. |
| 18:35.42 | Vail | SC2 is about esports the mod commuity was ...Tacked On |
| 18:35.48 | Dresnia | If you a decent mapmaker, you got a decent friend you can trust in other regions aswell. |
| 18:35.59 | Dresnia | E-Sports is BIG business aswell. |
| 18:36.15 | Dresnia | It's 99% payed by commercials. Who are then again payed by our tax-money. |
| 18:36.36 | Vail | yes but modding could be as well if monitized properly |
| 18:36.48 | Acemore | i'd consider myself a decent mapmaker... but i don't have any friends in SE asîa ^^ |
| 18:37.37 | Dresnia | I asume if you get your map in both EU&NA you reach around 90% of the players ? |
| 18:37.38 | Rnuomer | I want to make a hero arena with a WoW battlegrounds style feel for it |
| 18:37.57 | Rnuomer | what should I do to set mine apart from the rest? |
| 18:38.09 | Acemore | Dresnia: i believe KR takes up a pretty big portion too? |
| 18:38.17 | Dresnia | You don't use WoW models. |
| 18:38.17 | Vail | hmm maybe you can only only have one instance of an attack actor ...bother |
| 18:38.25 | Dresnia | Yes, but KR got a different taste I bet. |
| 18:38.42 | Dresnia | I asume they make manga models and porno maps with banana penis stuff. |
| 18:38.49 | Acemore | lol |
| 18:38.49 | Rnuomer | I'm not trying for wow models tbh |
| 18:39.09 | Dresnia | Rnuomer : seriously, Smashcraft won't be beaten anytime soon. |
| 18:39.14 | Acemore | maybe, not sure, but i did get a handful requests to get it hosted on KR and SE Asia |
| 18:39.17 | Dresnia | And it's not having the best time 'up there' |
| 18:39.22 | Vail | i wonder if the transfuse target actor would make a good zerg level up ... |
| 18:39.42 | Dresnia | Acemore : wich project is yours then |
| 18:40.02 | Rnuomer | would it be more worth my time to try a completely custom RTS |
| 18:40.04 | Acemore | mine is (was, it's currently not hosted anywhere) mad |
| 18:40.12 | Rnuomer | with all custom art & sound |
| 18:40.21 | Rnuomer | because I want to do something like that =:3 |
| 18:40.21 | Vail | no really Rnuomrer |
| 18:40.29 | Vail | not really raher |
| 18:40.32 | Vail | rather gah |
| 18:40.46 | Rnuomer | why is my name so hard to spell |
| 18:41.01 | Dresnia | http://store.steampowered.com/app/36620/ |
| 18:41.04 | Vail | there just isnt enough storage space right now on bnet for each account |
| 18:41.28 | Vail | you would need two maybe three accounts |
| 18:41.37 | Vail | or more |
| 18:41.39 | Rnuomer | makes me sad =:( |
| 18:42.05 | Rnuomer | how much space does the SC2 models & such take up? |
| 18:42.35 | Dresnia | Depends on how many, the quality.. |
| 18:42.41 | Dresnia | You can have 50MB total. |
| 18:42.58 | Rnuomer | like how many does the Liberty dependancy have? |
| 18:43.02 | Rnuomer | how much* |
| 18:43.10 | Dresnia | I've got no clue. |
| 18:43.32 | Vail | brb |
| 18:43.41 | Rnuomer | if it's higher than what they're giving us to make, there's a promblem |
| 18:44.47 | Vail | the base.sc2assets file is 2.45 gb |
| 18:45.02 | Dustin | guys guys |
| 18:45.07 | Dresnia | dustin dustin |
| 18:45.11 | Dustin | I think you'll be able to do more when the map market comes out |
| 18:45.22 | Rnuomer | has there been any news on that |
| 18:45.31 | Dustin | How the fuck are you gonna get on the map market when you need all custom graphics and only have 50 megs? |
| 18:45.31 | Rnuomer | since like |
| 18:45.42 | Dresnia | Dustin haha. |
| 18:45.51 | Dresnia | You don't need a full custom map. |
| 18:46.02 | Dresnia | They just going too check if it's custom enough. |
| 18:46.08 | Dresnia | So It's not spammed with blank melee junk |
| 18:46.20 | Dustin | You guys can sell your maps, but you have to have custom art made by midget africans on linux machines but you only get 5 megs of space. |
| 18:46.45 | Rnuomer | if I had 3000 money I'd buy 3DS Max and do everything myself |
| 18:46.56 | Bounty | lol |
| 18:46.56 | Rnuomer | except voice work |
| 18:46.58 | Dresnia | I'll buy it for you |
| 18:47.02 | Rnuomer | <3 |
| 18:47.03 | Bounty | i laugh everytime i see the price for 3ds max |
| 18:47.05 | Dresnia | www.thepiratebay.org |
| 18:47.12 | Bounty | fuck that |
| 18:47.16 | Bounty | i would never pirate something that costs 3k |
| 18:47.22 | Rnuomer | ^ |
| 18:47.25 | Bounty | DUN DO IT! |
| 18:47.35 | Rnuomer | it's a very very nice tool |
| 18:47.39 | Dresnia | Well, there is a other pro modeling thing |
| 18:47.42 | Rnuomer | uhm |
| 18:47.42 | Dresnia | for 6-700 |
| 18:47.44 | Dresnia | forgot the name |
| 18:47.50 | Rnuomer | I used it in high school |
| 18:48.59 | Acemore | so you can now remove all UI except the minimap, and you can move the chat |
| 18:49.09 | Acemore | sweet, anything else I should be aware of? ^^ |
| 18:49.10 | Rnuomer | yaay |
| 18:50.02 | Dresnia | Acemore : sec |
| 18:50.21 | Acemore | been away from the scene for about 6 months |
| 18:50.29 | Dresnia | http://static.sc2mapster.com/content/attachments/16/685/Screenshot2011-05-29_00_16_07.jpg |
| 18:50.33 | Acemore | i guess a few things changed at least :) |
| 18:50.37 | Dresnia | The UI we going to be using on our project |
| 18:51.13 | Acemore | looks nice |
| 18:51.21 | Acemore | is it done entirely in the editor or xml editing too? |
| 18:52.03 | Vail | hmm i think i will make some more attributes for my heros so they have wildly diffrent leveling styles |
| 18:52.27 | Frostwind | Why do I get a syntax error for lib3_InitLib(); |
| 18:52.28 | Frostwind | my lib is inside a mod |
| 18:52.31 | Vail | i wonder what the max number of behaviors a single unit can posses are.... |
| 18:52.44 | Vail | er is. |
| 18:54.34 | Dresnia | Acemore : I think so. |
| 18:54.36 | Dresnia | Nash|327 : does it. |
| 18:54.37 | Vail | Dresnia were did you get your icons ? is there any chance of others being able to use some.. |
| 18:54.41 | Acemore | cool |
| 18:54.41 | Rnuomer | how doess Smashcraft work? is there any sort of saved progression or is it all there from the start? |
| 18:54.53 | Dresnia | Vail: Nash|327 photoshopped all of them |
| 18:55.02 | Vail | nice. |
| 18:55.05 | Dresnia | Mostly googling & editing those |
| 18:55.26 | Dresnia | Rnuomer : all there from start |
| 18:55.30 | Frostwind | nvm, i found out |
| 18:55.54 | Rnuomer | k, is it objective based or deathmatch style? |
| 18:56.01 | Dresnia | PvP |
| 18:56.03 | Dresnia | 3vs3 |
| 18:56.04 | *** join/#sc2mapster MaxMode (~Adium@ip98-185-253-55.sb.sd.cox.net) |
| 18:56.06 | Frostwind | I had the campaign mods inside my mod and also inside the map, so it tried to use them twice |
| 18:56.28 | Rnuomer | kthanks |
| 18:56.36 | Dresnia | Mephs_ : is the master behind Smashcraft. |
| 18:56.46 | Dresnia | I hate Mephs_ but I love his work. Like a troll ! |
| 18:56.55 | Acemore | rofl |
| 18:57.01 | Rnuomer | I'm thinking of doing similar, only objective based, 3 teams and team-specific heroes |
| 18:57.08 | Acemore | you said something about his map not having a good time up there... what did you mean? |
| 18:57.25 | Dresnia | Play it a few times |
| 18:57.34 | Acemore | can't, at work ;p |
| 18:57.36 | Dresnia | Then you realise how much work has been putten into it |
| 18:57.42 | Rnuomer | is it NA or EU? |
| 18:57.46 | Dresnia | Then check top1, see Nexus Wars / Footmen |
| 18:57.48 | Dresnia | Both. |
| 18:58.11 | Acemore | ah ye i know, it's been like that for ages though |
| 18:58.23 | Rnuomer | would I get destroyed verbally by my teammates for being a newb? |
| 18:58.34 | Dresnia | http://www.youtube.com/user/Mephs11#p/a/u/1/xfDJI1cB5A4 |
| 18:58.43 | Dresnia | trailer of it |
| 18:59.04 | Dresnia | He even did voice overs etc etc |
| 18:59.16 | Dresnia | It has to be the biggest 1man project so far |
| 18:59.39 | Acemore | definitely :) |
| 18:59.59 | Acemore | you asked about my project before btw, ever seen it? |
| 19:00.04 | Dresnia | no |
| 19:00.23 | Dresnia | Btw my project http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/project-workplace/21591-untitled-hero-survival-arena-showcase-requesting-feedback/ |
| 19:00.28 | Dresnia | together with Nash|327 |
| 19:00.49 | Dresnia | 15 arenas, 9 hero's, 1-20 lvls (4 Tiers), PvP, 3 game modes. And more extra stuff |
| 19:01.32 | Dustin | Alright, time for music |
| 19:01.46 | Acemore | looks good Dresnia :) |
| 19:01.49 | Vail | i think i have like five heros underway already and like 25 more to work on |
| 19:02.05 | Vail | rather get started on 25 |
| 19:02.08 | Acemore | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oujo6oQrz4 is mine, though haven't worked on it for 6 months, planning to reboot it |
| 19:02.11 | Dresnia | Complex stuff won't sell |
| 19:02.41 | Dresnia | I got a idea in my head for a Page 1 custom game |
| 19:02.48 | Vail | well its five heros for each of the three races times two sides |
| 19:02.50 | Dresnia | But it's so bad I can't even bother :P |
| 19:03.34 | Rnuomer | wat is the idea? |
| 19:03.44 | Acemore | probably some tug ;p |
| 19:03.56 | Dresnia | Don't take me wrong but, once Marketplace turns to pay people |
| 19:04.00 | Dresnia | I'll bother :P |
| 19:04.18 | Acemore | is the EU custom scene nearly dead btw? or..? |
| 19:04.43 | Dresnia | It's alive. Nexus Wars / Footmen / MineralZ and such junk is owning it. |
| 19:04.52 | Acemore | kk |
| 19:05.47 | Acemore | what are the mechanics of the popularity meter nowadays? |
| 19:06.04 | Rnuomer | I think a fully featured RTS with just custom art/sound would be popular, but space restrictions makes me sad =:( |
| 19:06.10 | Dresnia | hours played I think |
| 19:06.53 | Acemore | so if a map has 0 hours played, and 2 players play it for 5 hours each, it gets 10 hours? |
| 19:07.13 | Acemore | is it hours played per game or per player, any idea? |
| 19:07.13 | Dresnia | I asume so yeah, but don't take my words for it. |
| 19:07.24 | Dresnia | per game most likely |
| 19:07.36 | Acemore | so still favouring maps with fewer players |
| 19:07.55 | Dresnia | Acemore : your map would be great. |
| 19:08.13 | Dresnia | With some tweakage. |
| 19:08.24 | Acemore | i hope so, it won the blizz custom map contest upon a time =) |
| 19:08.41 | Dresnia | Hah, cool :-) |
| 19:08.44 | Acemore | it's changed a lot since then, but i became inactive and took it off bnet |
| 19:08.59 | Acemore | planning to relaunch it, but 6 months out of the scene... i need to catch up |
| 19:09.50 | Dresnia | You sort of remade a quake mod right ? |
| 19:09.57 | Dresnia | Instagib rocket or stuff. |
| 19:09.58 | Frostwind | nvm, still getting the error for lib3_InitLib(); |
| 19:10.00 | Acemore | quake/ut top down shooter etc |
| 19:10.04 | Acemore | check out this: |
| 19:10.04 | Acemore | http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/mad/ |
| 19:10.17 | Acemore | uh |
| 19:10.19 | Acemore | sorry wrong link |
| 19:10.21 | Acemore | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/project-workplace/15124-mad-official-thread/ |
| 19:10.22 | Acemore | that i meant |
| 19:10.25 | Frostwind | anyone know why? |
| 19:10.32 | Acemore | preview of selection screen and upcoming railgun |
| 19:11.16 | Acemore | you die and respawn, keep counting deaths and kills etc :) and ofc capture the flag is in (except it's capture the zergling) |
| 19:12.13 | Acemore | Dresnia so yes: instagib rocket stuff ^^ |
| 19:12.30 | Dresnia | Hehe :) |
| 19:12.40 | Acemore | yours is more of a hero arena, elimination style? |
| 19:12.49 | Acemore | or yours and Nash' |
| 19:13.06 | Dresnia | ours, nah, it's actually more of a co-op survival |
| 19:13.38 | Dresnia | Player vs Player will be there aswell though. Since we got the hero's for it anyways. |
| 19:13.49 | Dresnia | Basicly you do a arena, you get 1 lvl up. |
| 19:14.05 | Dresnia | At level 20 (max) you can 'farm' normal arena's for money too buy medkits etc. |
| 19:14.16 | Dresnia | And there will be a 'Survival Mode', wich gives you a 'trophy' |
| 19:14.19 | Acemore | ah i see |
| 19:14.35 | Dresnia | So you can show-off your best on an arena, also states class/amount of players. |
| 19:14.48 | Dresnia | And then PvP, with stuff like TDM/CTF/KOTH I guess. |
| 19:14.53 | Dresnia | That's easy too create anyways. |
| 19:16.16 | Acemore | looks good, is it published in any form? |
| 19:16.35 | Dresnia | I could get a closed test up if you want |
| 19:16.39 | Dresnia | No terrain though. |
| 19:17.06 | Dresnia | Altho' I'm not 100% how. |
| 19:17.07 | Acemore | i'd be up for that for sure, at work now though =) |
| 19:17.17 | Dresnia | Np, let's do it tommorow =) |
| 19:18.22 | Dresnia | What you do for job anyway ? |
| 19:18.26 | Dresnia | And where are you from ? |
| 19:19.01 | Acemore | control tower at an airport |
| 19:19.05 | Acemore | norway |
| 19:19.13 | Dresnia | Hah, random. |
| 19:19.20 | Dresnia | So you just mirc / browse for a living ? |
| 19:19.50 | Acemore | no traffic atm, waiting for the last flight arriving in 35 minutes ^^ |
| 19:19.59 | Acemore | so yea, browsing the web atm |
| 19:20.02 | Dresnia | haha |
| 19:20.11 | Acemore | then i'm going home |
| 19:20.16 | Acemore | gotta reinstall sc2 |
| 19:20.21 | Dresnia | :O |
| 19:20.26 | Dresnia | The bug got you ! |
| 19:20.59 | Acemore | which bug? |
| 19:21.07 | Dresnia | the sc2 bug bite you |
| 19:21.09 | Dresnia | you know.. |
| 19:21.26 | Acemore | ooooh... sure |
| 19:21.29 | Acemore | x) |
| 19:21.33 | *** join/#sc2mapster UloseTheGame (d8b37f22@gateway/web/freenode/ip.216.179.127.34) |
| 19:21.41 | Acemore | where are you from then? |
| 19:22.22 | UloseTheGame | Middle Earth :D |
| 19:22.47 | Acemore | zomg LOTR INTERVENTION noooooooo! |
| 19:22.56 | Acemore | *sneaking back to Game of Thrones* |
| 19:23.25 | Dresnia | I'm from Belgium |
| 19:23.30 | Acemore | cool =) |
| 19:23.52 | Dresnia | Meh, gotta live somewhere right :P |
| 19:24.02 | Acemore | yup ;) |
| 19:24.14 | Dresnia | aslong as I got internet / pc and a job |
| 19:24.18 | Dresnia | I'm happy lol |
| 19:24.21 | Acemore | just my standard reply to anyone who lives somewhere |
| 19:24.28 | Acemore | xD |
| 19:25.15 | Dustin | With Banks, can you open it for a player using a variable? |
| 19:25.22 | Acemore | "i'm from germany" |
| 19:25.25 | Acemore | "cool =)" |
| 19:25.30 | Acemore | "i'm from the states" |
| 19:25.33 | Acemore | "cool =)" |
| 19:25.37 | Acemore | "i'm from the moon" |
| 19:25.38 | Rnuomer | I'm from fairyland <3 |
| 19:25.40 | Acemore | "cool =)" |
| 19:25.44 | Acemore | see, works for everything |
| 19:25.53 | Rnuomer | y u no try |
| 19:25.57 | Rnuomer | cool =:) |
| 19:26.02 | Rnuomer | is a bunny |
| 19:26.16 | Dresnia | ......................... |
| 19:26.25 | Acemore | Dustin no idea: never worked with banks |
| 19:26.44 | Dustin | ohh I forgot to save it |
| 19:26.50 | Dresnia | Dustin : banks are used to store data yeah |
| 19:26.52 | Acemore | there ya go |
| 19:27.01 | slightlyrandom | http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ZXh_NUFxndI/TfSRe0PMMqI/AAAAAAAABI0/5AgAex32vKA/s1600/20110612_025.jpg |
| 19:27.09 | Dustin | Ya i know what a bank is :P |
| 19:27.16 | Dustin | but you cant use variable for preloading |
| 19:27.18 | Dresnia | wtf is this screen rofl |
| 19:27.21 | Dustin | I wasnt sure if it was the same for opening |
| 19:27.23 | slightlyrandom | hammer joke |
| 19:27.24 | slightlyrandom | :P |
| 19:27.32 | slightlyrandom | I'm a fucking nerd |
| 19:27.44 | slightlyrandom | But it made me laugh out loud |
| 19:28.30 | Acemore | is it still possible to modify bank info locally on your comp? |
| 19:28.44 | Acemore | or did blizz fix it? |
| 19:28.50 | Dresnia | it's encrypted |
| 19:28.58 | Dresnia | but still doable if you got time |
| 19:29.04 | Acemore | k :) |
| 19:29.07 | Dresnia | BUT |
| 19:29.13 | Dresnia | There are some projects going on |
| 19:29.18 | Dresnia | for making a waterproof bank |
| 19:29.20 | Dresnia | or well 99% |
| 19:29.59 | Dresnia | slightlyrandom : but what's the big object about |
| 19:30.03 | Acemore | can you link maps together? |
| 19:30.10 | Dresnia | Acemore : hmm ? |
| 19:30.14 | Dresnia | Like make a rpg ? |
| 19:30.22 | Acemore | yep, like a campaign |
| 19:30.34 | Dresnia | likely possible offline |
| 19:30.37 | Acemore | they talked about adding it |
| 19:30.39 | Dresnia | but not online yet |
| 19:30.41 | Acemore | not sure if they have |
| 19:30.43 | Dresnia | or so I think |
| 19:30.46 | Acemore | k |
| 19:32.00 | slightlyrandom | Dresnia: It's a reprap |
| 19:32.05 | slightlyrandom | Half completed |
| 19:32.09 | Dresnia | reprap what |
| 19:32.24 | slightlyrandom | Rapid prototype machine that can print out most of it's own parts |
| 19:32.25 | slightlyrandom | Open source |
| 19:32.37 | slightlyrandom | All the orange bits have been printed out on a similar machine |
| 19:32.46 | slightlyrandom | 3d printer |
| 19:33.01 | Dresnia | aaah |
| 19:33.10 | slightlyrandom | Most of the grey complex stuff in the middle, too |
| 19:33.23 | Dresnia | I see. |
| 19:33.32 | slightlyrandom | All the parts that have a slightly dodgy surface finish are probably printed |
| 19:34.03 | slightlyrandom | Go look it up, watch a video about it, it's fascinating stuff, really |
| 19:34.30 | slightlyrandom | Anyway, the big hammer mallet thing has sudo written on it, that's a joke and I thought it was quite clever |
| 19:35.07 | slightlyrandom | But I guess you need to run a ubuntu-derived linux OS to think so |
| 19:35.10 | Dresnia | I don't get the joke though. |
| 19:35.33 | slightlyrandom | :S |
| 19:35.38 | slightlyrandom | su is switch user |
| 19:35.58 | slightlyrandom | su - switches user to root (administrator) so you can fiddle with the parts that your normal user doesn't have access to |
| 19:36.09 | slightlyrandom | sudo executes a command as root |
| 19:36.30 | slightlyrandom | sudo %command means fucking do as I say |
| 19:36.42 | Dresnia | Oh, haha. |
| 19:36.46 | slightlyrandom | aaaand now it's all ruined |
| 19:37.03 | Dresnia | Why is it the explenation I understand is the last line behind a wall of text |
| 19:37.08 | Rnuomer | I giggled at it |
| 19:37.26 | slightlyrandom | I was trying to explain where sudo comes from |
| 19:37.46 | Dresnia | =p |
| 19:38.00 | slightlyrandom | http://xkcd.com/149/ <-- relevant |
| 19:38.20 | Dresnia | :) |
| 19:38.26 | Dresnia | I only need the first line |
| 19:38.28 | Dresnia | no sodu |
| 19:38.29 | Dresnia | :p |
| 19:38.40 | slightlyrandom | That's because you're running as administrator |
| 19:38.42 | slightlyrandom | That's a bad idea |
| 19:39.02 | slightlyrandom | Any malicious code that gets executed on you can potentially cripple your entire system |
| 19:39.14 | Dresnia | lol wtf |
| 19:39.19 | Dresnia | open a window dawg |
| 19:40.16 | slightlyrandom | Acemore: What are you working on these days? |
| 19:41.22 | Acemore | hey slightlyrandom, long time no see :) |
| 19:41.26 | Dresnia | < melee time |
| 19:41.26 | Dresnia | afk |
| 19:41.40 | Acemore | i'm not really working on anything, i've been away from the scene for 6 months |
| 19:41.46 | slightlyrandom | Hehe |
| 19:41.52 | slightlyrandom | I've been lurking here for longer |
| 19:41.58 | Acemore | ^^ |
| 19:42.06 | Acemore | so what's new? |
| 19:42.15 | slightlyrandom | A guy just recently expressed interest in taking over ma map |
| 19:42.24 | Acemore | which is? |
| 19:42.30 | slightlyrandom | Cube Defense, a remake |
| 19:42.43 | Acemore | not working on it? |
| 19:42.58 | slightlyrandom | Naw, I gave it up because wtf Blizzard, custom game system? |
| 19:43.12 | Acemore | haha =) |
| 19:43.26 | Acemore | but yea, is it better now though? the custom game system |
| 19:43.33 | slightlyrandom | No clue |
| 19:43.38 | slightlyrandom | I feel like a stranger in here |
| 19:43.54 | slightlyrandom | Which I am, of course, we all are |
| 19:43.55 | Acemore | you said you've been lurking!' |
| 19:44.01 | *** join/#sc2mapster peeeq (~Peter@178-26-119-169-dynip.superkabel.de) |
| 19:44.01 | slightlyrandom | Yeah, exactly |
| 19:44.08 | slightlyrandom | very lurking |
| 19:44.14 | Acemore | xD |
| 19:44.21 | slightlyrandom | Deep undercover |
| 19:44.33 | Acemore | so deep you don't know what's going on |
| 19:44.36 | Acemore | that's pretty deep |
| 19:45.29 | Acemore | what brought you back? |
| 19:45.33 | Acemore | or... are you back? |
| 19:45.39 | slightlyrandom | I'm not |
| 19:45.45 | Acemore | still undercover? |
| 19:45.50 | slightlyrandom | Just saw your name and thought, 'What the hey!' |
| 19:46.03 | slightlyrandom | 'Wonder what old Ace is up to' |
| 19:47.37 | Acemore | ol' Ace isn't up to much... yet! |
| 19:47.44 | Acemore | depends how much has changed |
| 19:47.56 | slightlyrandom | Personally, I'm slacking my way through a barely-education, yelling at the man and trying to change the world |
| 19:47.57 | Acemore | how the scene has... unfolded since the old days |
| 19:48.29 | Acemore | big task |
| 19:48.36 | slightlyrandom | Yeah |
| 19:48.39 | slightlyrandom | I have some help |
| 19:48.52 | slightlyrandom | One or two guys giving a hand occasionally |
| 19:49.51 | Acemore | on changing the world? still big task |
| 19:50.05 | Acemore | =) |
| 19:50.15 | Acemore | i don't know what to believe anymore |
| 19:50.22 | slightlyrandom | hehe |
| 19:50.56 | slightlyrandom | Well, it's an interesting time |
| 19:50.57 | Acemore | on one page i find a thread called "The popularity system is good" |
| 19:51.08 | Acemore | on another i find "custom game system sucks!" |
| 19:51.10 | slightlyrandom | Yeah, that's a lie |
| 19:51.15 | slightlyrandom | Both of them |
| 19:51.31 | Acemore | tell me what it is then, oh wise one |
| 19:51.32 | Acemore | :D |
| 19:52.09 | Acemore | it has to be better than before at least! |
| 19:52.43 | XorioZ | Ger.. Why did you emty the Fuel.. To make room for the Tuna. |
| 19:52.43 | slightlyrandom | Yeah, you can get to the bottom of the lists faster |
| 19:52.49 | slightlyrandom | And there's seach and all that |
| 19:53.20 | *** join/#sc2mapster avogatro (~avogatro@nat-wh-hadi.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) |
| 19:54.56 | slightlyrandom | Still suffers from the fundamental problem of game modes being hard to do right |
| 19:55.04 | *** join/#sc2mapster curt`off (curt@shoozza.de) |
| 19:55.26 | *** join/#sc2mapster Deaod (~deaod@deaod.de) |
| 19:57.20 | Acemore | what about the 'fun or not' feature... |
| 19:57.29 | Acemore | is it widely used? |
| 19:58.14 | slightlyrandom | Probably not, but that's a random guess based on wind and nothing |
| 19:58.40 | Acemore | true to your name |
| 19:58.52 | Acemore | but if i had to guess i would say the same |
| 19:58.55 | Acemore | =) |
| 19:59.29 | Acemore | well, guess i'll do the best thing i can do to figure out what's going on |
| 19:59.35 | Acemore | start playing custom maps ^^ |
| 19:59.53 | *** join/#sc2mapster Nesetalis (~demonic@static-71-176-215-186.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net) |
| 19:59.56 | slightlyrandom | Yeah, survey the system, man |
| 19:59.58 | slightlyrandom | Work on the inside |
| 20:00.13 | slightlyrandom | Get to know the tricks of the trade, blend in |
| 20:00.35 | slightlyrandom | Then, once they trust you, you can harm em where it hurts! |
| 20:00.39 | slightlyrandom | Fight the power! |
| 20:00.43 | slightlyrandom | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcHoHhgvXBw |
| 20:01.11 | Acemore | rofl |
| 20:03.17 | slightlyrandom | Bit freaky ;) |
| 20:03.53 | slightlyrandom | I'm calling it now: The future won't be the same as the past |
| 20:09.33 | Acemore | who knows though |
| 20:09.44 | Acemore | to quote blizzard: Bnet is a living, breathing thing |
| 20:09.48 | Acemore | ;p |
| 20:09.56 | slightlyrandom | Yeah |
| 20:10.02 | slightlyrandom | It's getting CPR once a month, hey? |
| 20:11.02 | *** join/#sc2mapster Bounty (442d304d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.45.48.77) |
| 20:11.07 | Bounty | >< |
| 20:12.35 | Acemore | indeed it is =) |
| 20:13.07 | slightlyrandom | To be a living thing, they'd have to opensource it and make the crowd work on it, though |
| 20:13.19 | slightlyrandom | What they're referring to is corporate speak for "We sometimes steal your ideas" |
| 20:13.42 | slightlyrandom | I've recently become jaded |
| 20:13.45 | slightlyrandom | I just noticed that |
| 20:14.09 | Acemore | :P |
| 20:14.42 | Acemore | oh here's a pretty important question |
| 20:14.55 | slightlyrandom | "42" |
| 20:15.09 | Acemore | ok thanks |
| 20:15.14 | Acemore | ^^ |
| 20:15.27 | Acemore | has it been made possible to join ffa custom maps with friends? |
| 20:15.48 | slightlyrandom | In which way? |
| 20:15.55 | slightlyrandom | How wasn't this always possible? |
| 20:16.07 | *** join/#sc2mapster JManV|Work (63594a96@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.89.74.150) |
| 20:16.12 | JManV|Work | the |
| 20:16.18 | slightlyrandom | a |
| 20:16.41 | JManV|Work | and |
| 20:16.57 | slightlyrandom | Green eggs and ham, much? |
| 20:17.21 | slightlyrandom | green ham and eggs? |
| 20:17.24 | slightlyrandom | Oh well |
| 20:19.21 | Acemore | well |
| 20:19.44 | Acemore | when you want to play with your friends, you'd in most cases make a party |
| 20:20.28 | Acemore | at least when i played with my friends (and we were 4 in the party), we were unable to play maps unless the team sizes were 4 or bigger |
| 20:20.30 | slightlyrandom | The games aren't public until you make em so |
| 20:20.34 | slightlyrandom | So, you can invite people |
| 20:20.40 | slightlyrandom | Ah |
| 20:20.42 | slightlyrandom | That sense |
| 20:20.46 | Acemore | that sense yes |
| 20:20.48 | slightlyrandom | Good question |
| 20:20.49 | Acemore | :) |
| 20:21.12 | Acemore | i really hated that from earlier at least |
| 20:21.23 | slightlyrandom | I hated most things about the system |
| 20:21.34 | slightlyrandom | Probably still do |
| 20:21.35 | Acemore | haha ;p |
| 20:25.43 | slightlyrandom | Tim Minchin is pretty fucking awesome |
| 20:26.07 | *** join/#sc2mapster tordy (ad44b85c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.68.184.92) |
| 20:26.25 | tordy | anyone successfully got tooltips working on teh builtin leaderboard? |
| 20:26.42 | tordy | i dont wanna resort to using dialog over the builtin leaderboard to "fake" tooltips |
| 20:26.52 | *** join/#sc2mapster Otixa (Otixa@87-126-187-66.btc-net.bg) |
| 20:27.05 | JManV|Work | tordy! |
| 20:27.08 | tordy | hello JManV|Work |
| 20:27.10 | tordy | hi Otixa!!! |
| 20:27.35 | Otixa | hai |
| 20:27.44 | Acemore | so is onetwoSC still around? |
| 20:27.52 | tordy | hello acemore |
| 20:28.02 | Acemore | hey tordy =) |
| 20:28.32 | tordy | why is this so annoying to deal with the god damn leaderboard |
| 20:28.53 | JManV|Work | never used it. i always use normal dialogs |
| 20:28.54 | tordy | learned a few things after dealing with this bullshit |
| 20:29.35 | tordy | you can use <img path="x"/> in text to show images |
| 20:29.40 | tordy | but |
| 20:30.00 | tordy | the image has to be less than or equal to the text's font size or the image wont show |
| 20:30.20 | Acemore | anyway, i'm out, catch you guys later |
| 20:30.24 | Acemore | o/ |
| 20:30.25 | slightlyrandom | oy |
| 20:30.28 | slightlyrandom | Be cool |
| 20:30.31 | tordy | that was just slightly |
| 20:30.32 | Acemore | always |
| 20:30.33 | tordy | random |
| 20:30.43 | slightlyrandom | DUCK! |
| 20:34.09 | tordy | what's the highest quality .dds file you can get? |
| 20:34.12 | tordy | dtx5 what else |
| 20:34.14 | tordy | mip mapping on? |
| 20:34.28 | Otixa | off for SC2 |
| 20:35.14 | Ashamed | ahhh |
| 20:35.24 | Ashamed | 5 1/2 more hours |
| 20:35.26 | Ashamed | fucken shit |
| 20:36.50 | tordy | what compressor type and errormetric |
| 20:37.57 | Otixa | check my article in artist tavern |
| 20:38.02 | Otixa | don't remember anymore |
| 20:39.22 | tordy | GOD DAMN |
| 20:39.25 | tordy | such a pain |
| 20:39.34 | tordy | import a dds and it doesnt even show |
| 20:39.37 | tordy | but it shows for the size i dont want |
| 20:51.09 | Bounty | Anyone know of a way to advertise giveaways? lol |
| 20:51.16 | Bounty | cant post on any forums :( |
| 20:51.42 | slightlyrandom | Facebook and WOM |
| 20:51.47 | Bounty | WOM? |
| 20:51.51 | slightlyrandom | word of mouth |
| 20:52.19 | Bounty | sucks i cant post the link on steam |
| 20:52.26 | Bounty | and its for steam giveawaysl ol |
| 20:52.26 | Dustin | Anyone want to help me make a video of my bomberling map? |
| 20:56.20 | *** join/#sc2mapster Thels (GameBot@ip3e83cdbc.speed.planet.nl) |
| 21:07.44 | Vail | hello folks im back |
| 21:08.07 | Bounty | howdy |
| 21:08.10 | Rnuomer | hi =:D |
| 21:09.01 | Vail | ive been pissing and moaning alout lately about my project and saying imma give up |
| 21:09.16 | Vail | but im not going to give up |
| 21:09.27 | Rnuomer | yay |
| 21:10.02 | Bounty | huzzah! |
| 21:10.16 | Bounty | You know whats crazy? |
| 21:10.32 | Vail | what? |
| 21:10.32 | Bounty | I had like 15 views on my giveaway blog in 2 minutes after posting a thread about it on steam before it got taken down lol |
| 21:10.59 | Bounty | shit is crazy |
| 21:11.20 | Vail | perhaps |
| 21:12.41 | Vail | i still wish i could figure out this validator |
| 21:12.50 | Bounty | validator? |
| 21:12.59 | Vail | yes |
| 21:13.02 | Vail | enumerate area |
| 21:13.25 | Rnuomer | it's probably something simple that you're just missing, like a single "." out of place |
| 21:13.44 | Vail | no thats not it |
| 21:13.52 | Rnuomer | r u sure? |
| 21:14.09 | Vail | very |
| 21:14.14 | Rnuomer | k |
| 21:14.28 | Vail | i do not have any "."s |
| 21:14.41 | Rnuomer | =:0 |
| 21:14.47 | Vail | do not need them i am working in whole numbers |
| 21:15.22 | Vail | if i recall corectly the value fields do not accept decimals anyway |
| 21:20.28 | Nash|327 | hug me 3 kittuns |
| 21:23.10 | *** join/#sc2mapster Mexa_ (~Mexa@80.78.216.41) |
| 21:23.16 | Nash|327 | MEXAFACE |
| 21:23.25 | Mexa_ | Derp |
| 21:23.47 | Mexa_ | "And that concludes our DDoS party: Escapist Magazine, Eve Online, Minecraft, League of Legends + 8 phone requests. " - LulzSec |
| 21:23.59 | Mexa_ | Next up, Blizzard, EA, and Valve, I guess |
| 21:24.02 | Mexa_ | :// |
| 21:24.34 | Vail | ? |
| 21:25.14 | Nash|327 | D_D |
| 21:25.47 | Vail | why the would any one DDoS the escapist? |
| 21:26.11 | tordy | da fcuk!? |
| 21:26.12 | Nash|327 | because they don't like the zero punctuation review their game got |
| 21:26.14 | JademusSreg | =\ |
| 21:26.14 | Nash|327 | ??? |
| 21:27.04 | Nash|327 | get some hackers to take the site down while you keep plausible deniability |
| 21:27.04 | Rnuomer | they want people to think they're special tbh |
| 21:27.29 | Rnuomer | like terrorists |
| 21:28.09 | Rnuomer | it's kind of cute, considering the current body count |
| 21:28.10 | Vail | indeed |
| 21:28.13 | JademusSreg | That's not thepurpose of terrorist,Rnu. |
| 21:28.17 | Rnuomer | i.e. 0 |
| 21:28.21 | JademusSreg | *terrorism |
| 21:28.29 | Vail | i agree with the special part |
| 21:28.33 | Rnuomer | tell then that brah |
| 21:28.56 | Rnuomer | they want people to think they're some awesome terrorist group |
| 21:29.08 | JademusSreg | The primary function of terrorism is to weaken the morale of an adversary through acts that illicit terror. |
| 21:29.10 | Mexa_ | They do it for the lulz, simply put |
| 21:29.13 | Mexa_ | That is your answer why |
| 21:29.17 | Mexa_ | They have no motive |
| 21:29.39 | Nash|327 | not a very good motive |
| 21:29.54 | Rnuomer | if they really wanted that, they'd just browse some innernet website |
| 21:29.56 | Mexa_ | I'll give that at least Anonymous have a motive, a political one most of the time (no I don't symphatise with them) |
| 21:30.02 | Vail | i knew The Escapist would get DDoS attacked some time though |
| 21:30.08 | Mexa_ | But LulzSec is just plain silly :/ |
| 21:30.18 | tordy | it's mexa! |
| 21:30.19 | tordy | >:] |
| 21:30.27 | Mexa_ | hello |
| 21:31.20 | Mexa_ | Rnuomer, LulzSec have a past too, they have made alot of SQLi and shizzle to terrorize Sony |
| 21:31.23 | Rnuomer | I'm sad that I'm flying |
| 21:31.35 | Vail | i agree with some of Anonymus' Motivations but not their methods... |
| 21:31.57 | Mexa_ | yes, that's what I lean towards too |
| 21:32.01 | Mexa_ | @anon |
| 21:32.37 | Mexa_ | Oh well |
| 21:32.44 | Mexa_ | Nothing I can do, just sit here and be mad. |
| 21:32.57 | Mexa_ | Hey Jademus? |
| 21:33.01 | Vail | but then i aslo believe that alot of companies are starting to get to the point where they need to be punished severly and repatitivly until they realize they are wrong about some things... |
| 21:33.05 | Nash|327 | What's wrong with their methods? What ARE their methods? |
| 21:33.09 | Mexa_ | The set for Dreamhack sc2 is done :D |
| 21:33.23 | Nash|327 | Rickrolling scientology? |
| 21:33.49 | Mexa_ | Saying that DDoSing someone as the same thing being the freedom of speech and a peaceful demostration is not exactly what I call it. |
| 21:34.19 | Nash|327 | Hmm? |
| 21:34.20 | Rnuomer | it'd be like driving a big ol' truck on the sidewalk in front of a store's doors |
| 21:34.27 | Mexa_ | Yes |
| 21:34.27 | Vail | i wouldnt call it anywhere near the same thing but then i am also saying that it is not unnecesary |
| 21:35.20 | Nash|327 | Ends justify means. |
| 21:35.22 | Mexa_ | And while your at it, let's explode that truck and expose everything inside |
| 21:35.32 | Mexa_ | *you're |
| 21:35.36 | Nash|327 | I am not a fan of moral absolutism. |
| 21:36.27 | Vail | some times the ends do justify the means ....its just the imprerfect world we live in |
| 21:36.56 | Vail | since most people are too Something to make a diffrence with their dollar.. |
| 21:36.57 | Nash|327 | It's just a matter of whether the ends are justified. |
| 21:37.10 | tordy | tig ol bitties |
| 21:37.17 | Mexa_ | And I see the point of DDoSing the servers of Minecraft really. It was made by a team of 3 or something. |
| 21:38.16 | Nash|327 | Well it was for the lulz... |
| 21:38.20 | Mexa_ | Nash, the end is, I don't know, pointless. They cripple the servers for a couple of hours, but with no gain. |
| 21:38.26 | Mexa_ | Yes |
| 21:38.49 | Mexa_ | Their twitter is asking to be torn down :| |
| 21:39.02 | Rnuomer | if they wanted "lulz" they could probly get better ones by looking at internet websites instead of take them down |
| 21:39.23 | Nash|327 | I doubt it, some people just like to destroy shit for no reason. |
| 21:39.28 | Mexa_ | Oh I guess one thing they did was to hack porn sites and post users emails and passwords... |
| 21:39.29 | Vail | very true |
| 21:39.36 | Mexa_ | That was slightly luls. |
| 21:40.01 | Mexa_ | Mehmeh and triple meh |
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| 21:43.08 | tordy | BF3 not gonna be on steam |
| 21:43.10 | tordy | im mad :( |
| 21:43.19 | tordy | forcin us to use EA's Origin |
| 21:43.59 | Vail | er i dont buy EA Games |
| 21:44.08 | tordy | me neither |
| 21:44.14 | tordy | few exceptions |
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| 21:44.20 | Vail | no exceptions |
| 21:44.33 | tordy | activision isnt much better |
| 21:44.34 | Mexa_ | "Now accepting calls from true lulz fans - let's all laugh together at butthurt gamers. 614-LULZSEC, accepting as many as we can, let's roll. |
| 21:44.35 | Mexa_ | 4 minutes ago" |
| 21:44.35 | tordy | in fact they're worse |
| 21:44.43 | tordy | EA was bad |
| 21:44.53 | tordy | but Activistion took the crown for worst game publisher |
| 21:44.56 | Mexa_ | EA has loosen on DICE |
| 21:45.07 | Mexa_ | In which resultet to DICE making a good game |
| 21:45.16 | Mexa_ | *resulted |
| 21:45.21 | tordy | stinks BF3 wont be on Steam |
| 21:45.26 | tordy | EA Origin blows |
| 21:45.38 | tordy | dont wanna have to use mroe than 1 client for managing games |
| 21:45.55 | Mexa_ | Vail, EA is not only the developer tho |
| 21:46.09 | Mexa_ | So saying you refuse EA games is that you refuse them no matter the developer? |
| 21:46.19 | Vail | pretty muchj |
| 21:46.26 | tordy | DICE is one of the few good developers left |
| 21:46.40 | tordy | Blizz and Valve havent been as good lately |
| 21:46.50 | Mexa_ | Portal 2 was nice. |
| 21:46.51 | tordy | blizz got greedy |
| 21:47.04 | Vail | blizz also got stupid... |
| 21:47.10 | tordy | yes |
| 21:47.14 | Mexa_ | And Valve is always supportive for indie. |
| 21:47.33 | tordy | valve listens to the community |
| 21:47.54 | tordy | while Bli$$ard |
| 21:48.01 | tordy | Activi$ion Bli$$$$$$$$$ard |
| 21:48.06 | Mexa_ | Meh¨ |
| 21:48.12 | tordy | Micro$oft |
| 21:48.14 | tordy | $ony |
| 21:48.18 | tordy | $quareEnix |
| 21:48.34 | tordy | $$$$$$$$$ |
| 21:48.34 | tordy | Me$xa |
| 21:48.34 | Mexa_ | Naughty Dog is another good company still |
| 21:48.36 | Vail | all need punished... |
| 21:48.41 | tordy | puni$hed |
| 21:48.42 | Mexa_ | Punish? |
| 21:48.49 | tordy | they need to be spanked |
| 21:48.59 | Mexa_ | Send your regards to LulzSec.. |
| 21:49.17 | Mexa_ | If you really really really want it so much -.- |
| 21:49.21 | Vail | and sent to their room with out their this quarter earnings .. |
| 21:49.47 | Vail | what i really want is for people not to buy stuff and force the developers to realize their customers have power |
| 21:49.49 | Mexa_ | But you're not having my approval... Then again, who gives a shit about that. |
| 21:50.23 | Mexa_ | what stuff? |
| 21:51.01 | Mexa_ | Are you talking about extra dlc which have no influense on the game balance and mechanism of the game? |
| 21:51.15 | Vail | i mean the games period |
| 21:51.33 | Vail | it isnt going to happen |
| 21:51.36 | tordy | da fuck |
| 21:51.40 | tordy | i didnt know people can call you on steam |
| 21:51.41 | Vail | but that is what i would like to see |
| 21:51.50 | Mexa_ | But if people don't buy their games or content, then how are they customers? |
| 21:52.15 | JademusSreg | Publishers, vail. |
| 21:52.16 | Vail | the wouldnt be anymore and the companies would lose millions |
| 21:52.21 | tordy | tuig ol bitties |
| 21:52.33 | Vail | i know. |
| 21:52.42 | Vail | and i would feel bad for the developers caught at the end |
| 21:52.43 | JademusSreg | You said developers. |
| 21:52.45 | Nash|327 | tordy has a one track mind |
| 21:52.56 | tordy | developers developers developers developers |
| 21:53.13 | Vail | some devepopers some publishers need to be punished |
| 21:53.34 | Vail | mostly the publishers |
| 21:53.36 | tordy | they need a good spanking damn straight |
| 21:54.10 | Vail | if only we didnt need publishers ... |
| 21:54.11 | JademusSreg | Punished for what? =D |
| 21:54.20 | tordy | punished for wanting to make money |
| 21:54.22 | Nash|327 | Lack of kittuns. |
| 21:54.52 | tordy | shyt jus god REALZ |
| 21:54.55 | tordy | SHIET |
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| 21:55.17 | Nash|327 | EPIC KITTUNS |
| 21:55.40 | Vail | hmm lets see...some need to be punished for bad support.... others for their gamer community harming ad campaigns others for tunring stupid |
| 21:56.19 | Rnuomer | when I see "KITTUNS" in all caps like that it reminds me of a friend of mine who died =:( |
| 21:56.54 | JademusSreg | Often what characterizes heroes and villains in fiction is the capacity to affect or resist change of considerable force. |
| 21:57.29 | JademusSreg | What differentiates a hero from a villain, then, is the willingness on the part of the individual to incur human collateral damage. |
| 21:57.46 | Vail | that would make me a villian then |
| 21:57.56 | JademusSreg | It would had you any power, perhaps. |
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| 21:58.46 | Nash|327 | D: |
| 21:58.59 | Nash|327 | Your friend loved kittuns? |
| 21:59.01 | tordy | im lovin them tig ol bitties |
| 21:59.19 | Rnuomer | also spelled it like that |
| 21:59.27 | Rnuomer | & in all caps |
| 21:59.53 | Nash|327 | Never encountered anyone else who does that. |
| 21:59.56 | Vail | Voisin? |
| 21:59.57 | JademusSreg | The villain has the presumption that it is capable of deciding what is best for others or what is best for itself at the expense of any others, which is a willingness to incur human collateral damage. |
| 22:00.04 | Nash|327 | Except people I have mind controlled. |
| 22:02.34 | Nash|327 | Must have been a good person. |
| 22:03.09 | Rnuomer | yes I'm sad now =:( |
| 22:03.17 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 22:03.19 | Nash|327 | tordy just likes boobs D; |
| 22:03.23 | Voisin | YES!!! found you! |
| 22:03.26 | tordy | boop |
| 22:03.31 | Nash|327 | How primitive. |
| 22:03.35 | JademusSreg | tordy is a less than effective troll; he needs more practice. |
| 22:04.17 | tordy | collateral damage |
| 22:05.16 | Vail | where was i OH SquareEnix... |
| 22:05.35 | Nash|327 | Getting practice at trolling is like reading a book on how to decrease your IQ. |
| 22:05.37 | Nash|327 | D_D |
| 22:05.48 | Voisin | Surprisingly, Nash, I agree with you completely. |
| 22:05.52 | JademusSreg | Time for Photon Cycles. |
| 22:05.56 | JademusSreg | pch00000 |
| 22:06.06 | Vail | so a book about getting wasted ? |
| 22:06.20 | Vail | preferably with some good vodka ? |
| 22:06.28 | Nash|327 | D_D |
| 22:06.38 | Nash|327 | Vail smells |
| 22:06.44 | Vail | like vodka |
| 22:06.57 | Vail | had to finish that one for you |
| 22:07.17 | Nash|327 | You're an alcoholic :G~~ |
| 22:07.22 | Vail | not really |
| 22:07.41 | Nash|327 | Lies. |
| 22:07.49 | Nash|327 | Hand me a kittun. |
| 22:07.49 | Vail | vodka is all i ever drink ... only when its home made ... from Russia and on special occasion s |
| 22:07.58 | tordy | think im gonna be the scapegoat for the whole damn machine? |
| 22:08.10 | Vail | what machine? |
| 22:08.13 | Nash|327 | Yes. |
| 22:09.46 | Vail | could have said something about Petting and Kitties but i dont think i will |
| 22:10.02 | Voisin | I'm surprised and somewhat dismayed at your restraint, Vail. |
| 22:10.15 | Nash|327 | PET KITTUNS!? |
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| 22:10.18 | Nash|327 | Oh, yes! |
| 22:11.07 | Nash|327 | Pet kittuns in a bag. |
| 22:11.11 | Voisin | zhe meekul ish gnawazhe peentsleeg. |
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| 22:11.33 | Vail | heh |
| 22:12.19 | Vail | i hope The Escapist gets everything straightend out soon |
| 22:12.48 | Vail | OH RIGHT |
| 22:12.52 | Vail | brb folks |
| 22:12.55 | Voisin | kk |
| 22:12.58 | Rnuomer | k |
| 22:13.00 | slightlyrandom | It seems to work for me |
| 22:13.06 | slightlyrandom | They got toppled earlier ? |
| 22:14.15 | Nash|327 | Brainshack, he's got his brain in a shack :G |
| 22:14.26 | Voisin | Holy crap, tordy's been quiet for six whole minutes. |
| 22:14.36 | Brainshack | Nash|327: a quite big shack |
| 22:14.49 | Nash|327 | What else do you keep in there? |
| 22:14.58 | Brainshack | just the brain |
| 22:15.09 | Nash|327 | Seems like an awful waste of space. |
| 22:15.10 | Brainshack | so i wonder |
| 22:15.12 | Brainshack | if there is sort of a dynamic list type in galaxy? |
| 22:15.30 | Voisin | no drunken hookers, Brain? |
| 22:15.34 | Brainshack | Nash|327: only seems so to the unknowing |
| 22:15.47 | Nash|327 | Make a linked list using records :P |
| 22:15.56 | Dustin | Anyone US want to try out my Bomberling map? |
| 22:16.11 | Nash|327 | Dustin can fill you in about records. |
| 22:16.13 | Rnuomer | NA* |
| 22:16.40 | Brainshack | sounds a little bit to complicated for a list that contains max. 3 entries^^ |
| 22:17.09 | Dustin | :D |
| 22:17.14 | Nash|327 | A dynamic list for 3 entries? |
| 22:17.15 | Nash|327 | D_D |
| 22:17.21 | Nash|327 | Why even consider it :G |
| 22:17.34 | Brainshack | because it would make things easier? |
| 22:17.44 | Nash|327 | Don't see why. |
| 22:18.30 | Rnuomer | what is :G |
| 22:18.34 | Nash|327 | :G |
| 22:18.37 | Rnuomer | it makes me confused |
| 22:18.40 | Rnuomer | =:G |
| 22:18.44 | Nash|327 | It is :G |
| 22:18.44 | Rnuomer | bunny version |
| 22:18.51 | Nash|327 | No explanation necessary. |
| 22:19.29 | Nash|327 | :G is :G |
| 22:20.32 | Rnuomer | would =:G be an acceptable translation? |
| 22:22.30 | Nash|327 | no |
| 22:23.54 | tordy | sup nash |
| 22:24.10 | Voisin | zomfg, tordy spoke! |
| 22:24.50 | Vail | and im back |
| 22:24.59 | Voisin | wb vail |
| 22:25.08 | Vail | thanks |
| 22:25.14 | Voisin | welcome. |
| 22:26.27 | Nash|327 | tordyface |
| 22:27.18 | tordy | classical gas |
| 22:29.00 | Voisin | Tordypie, I'm bored. Entertain me. |
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| 22:32.14 | Vail | SWEET there are atleast two Starcraft named Tropes on Tv Tropes |
| 22:32.24 | Voisin | Mrrr? |
| 22:32.46 | Nash|327 | Spawn More Overlords and Construct Additional Pylons? |
| 22:32.52 | Vail | the website tvtropes is a wiki like collection of well tropes and idioms used in media |
| 22:33.04 | Vail | that may make three then |
| 22:33.08 | Voisin | I know what TV Tropes is, Vail. Which tropes are they? |
| 22:33.13 | Vail | sorry |
| 22:33.26 | Voisin | it's alright. *pets* |
| 22:33.38 | Voisin | pets Vail |
| 22:33.51 | Nash|327 | Pet kittuns not Vails. |
| 22:33.59 | Vail | i was still in my "educator mode" from helping my mom with her computer |
| 22:33.59 | Rnuomer | wat about bunnies? =:3 |
| 22:34.12 | Nash|327 | No bunnies, they are inferior. |
| 22:34.15 | Rnuomer | D:= |
| 22:34.19 | Rnuomer | takes offense |
| 22:34.26 | Voisin | is a kitten |
| 22:34.28 | Rnuomer | slaps Nash|327 around a bit with a pretty pink sparkly tickle wand <3 |
| 22:34.42 | Vail | lets see there are You Must Construct Aditional Pylons |
| 22:34.46 | Voisin | enjoys watching |
| 22:35.00 | Vail | You Require More Vespene Gas and i think there is Spawn more Overlords |
| 22:35.01 | Nash|327 | Well if you want to waste your time petting bunnies when you could be petting kittuns, by all means. |
| 22:35.11 | Nash|327 | So I was right? |
| 22:35.15 | Nash|327 | ;G |
| 22:35.16 | Vail | gack scary thought |
| 22:35.29 | Vail | cabbits baby |
| 22:35.34 | Rnuomer | bunnies r better tbh |
| 22:35.35 | Voisin | Even a stopped clock is right twice a day, Vail. I think we have to give this one to Nash. |
| 22:35.36 | Vail | i like da cabbits ... |
| 22:35.51 | Vail | yes. |
| 22:36.07 | Nash|327 | Well I'm used to it. |
| 22:36.23 | Vail | tenchi muyo will be forever rememberd for thwo things ... Cabbits and Cabbit Girls ... |
| 22:36.32 | Voisin | What, being wrong? I'm not surprised, Nash. |
| 22:36.37 | Nash|327 | Being right. |
| 22:36.46 | Vail | now thats surprising |
| 22:36.49 | Voisin | mmmm, Cabbit Girls...almost as sexy as bunny girls. |
| 22:37.17 | Vail | eh its a matter of taste ... but cabbit girls have the best traits of bunny girls and cat girls so i think are better |
| 22:37.27 | Voisin | touche, Vail. |
| 22:37.46 | Nash|327 | Bah. |
| 22:38.01 | Nash|327 | Cat girls are an abomination. |
| 22:38.10 | Vail | they are the future ... |
| 22:38.16 | Voisin | but cat girls come from kittuns.... |
| 22:38.16 | Nash|327 | Kittuns are superior. |
| 22:38.35 | Nash|327 | To mix in elements of girl is competely illogical. |
| 22:38.52 | Nash|327 | It's like an awesome cake which you mix poop into. |
| 22:38.54 | Nash|327 | D_D |
| 22:38.55 | Voisin | It's official, Nash practices beastiality. Isn't that illegal? |
| 22:39.03 | Nash|327 | BESTIALITY |
| 22:39.09 | Nash|327 | Learn to spell. |
| 22:39.09 | Vail | with Kittuns |
| 22:39.27 | Vail | so he is a pedo beasti >..> |
| 22:39.36 | Nash|327 | I'm the only one who can spell that word. |
| 22:39.45 | Nash|327 | Learn to spell or stop using it. |
| 22:39.48 | Voisin | Close enough, Nash. I was off by ONE letter. Furthermore, in his deduction of girls = poop, I deduce that he is a homosexual pedo bestialist. |
| 22:39.48 | Rnuomer | bestiality |
| 22:40.07 | Rnuomer | unless he's into that |
| 22:40.12 | Vail | agreed Voisin .... |
| 22:40.24 | Rnuomer | scat type of stuff |
| 22:40.25 | Voisin | which means he's like the Catholic Priest of bestiality. |
| 22:40.38 | Vail | nice. |
| 22:40.56 | Vail | i was just going to call him an asexual Vulcan |
| 22:40.58 | Rnuomer | or has teh poopoo fetish |
| 22:41.07 | Vail | gag.. |
| 22:41.15 | Voisin | which, taken further, means that tordy is one step up the moral ladder from Nash, because at least he has an appreciation of the occasional well-turned breast. |
| 22:41.18 | Brainshack | nash is just entirly asexual |
| 22:41.30 | Voisin | Brain, if that's true, it's incredibly sad. |
| 22:41.36 | Brainshack | it is |
| 22:41.52 | Brainshack | we had that discussion a few times |
| 22:41.57 | Voisin | weeps. |
| 22:41.57 | Brainshack | and i still cant understand it |
| 22:42.02 | Brainshack | but that seems to be what it is |
| 22:42.05 | Nash|327 | Haha. |
| 22:42.10 | Rnuomer | maybe he just needs more hugs <3 |
| 22:42.15 | Rnuomer | from not kittuns |
| 22:42.21 | Nash|327 | Because you're a slave to your primitive drives. |
| 22:42.25 | Rnuomer | bunnyhugs Nash|327 <3 |
| 22:42.41 | Brainshack | Or just enyoing things you are missing. |
| 22:42.42 | Vail | wer sexlyness is near to godlyness |
| 22:42.59 | Voisin | I think he just didn't get enough attention from Mommy and Daddy as a child. Thank God I cuddle my son. He won't become an asexual Vulcan. |
| 22:43.01 | tordy | cocaine's one helluva drug |
| 22:43.26 | Vail | yes Sexliness is next to Godliness .. |
| 22:43.49 | Nash|327 | Sucks for you. |
| 22:44.16 | Nash|327 | Being asexual is awesome. |
| 22:44.48 | Vail | how so? |
| 22:45.05 | Voisin | Asexuality may be awesome, Nash, but that and a quarter will still get you bored a new asshole by a horny prison queen. |
| 22:45.35 | Nash|327 | I don't need to go find women, impress them, engage in bizarre social rituals, be attractive, etc. |
| 22:45.47 | Nash|327 | I can focus on using my mind. |
| 22:45.57 | Rnuomer | and live in a van |
| 22:46.09 | Vail | sex sharpens the mind.. |
| 22:46.15 | Voisin | You have to have one of those first, Nash. |
| 22:46.15 | Nash|327 | Nonsense. |
| 22:46.28 | Vail | not AT the moment but after |
| 22:46.40 | Nash|327 | Humbug. |
| 22:46.50 | Rnuomer | maybe he needs more hugs =:O |
| 22:46.56 | Rnuomer | bunnyhugs Nash|327 to death <3 |
| 22:47.00 | Nash|327 | Fuck off with your hugs. |
| 22:47.01 | Vail | well after the action and the afterglow ...and a good nights sleep but that next day man are you ever on point |
| 22:47.14 | Voisin | Go Rnuomer! |
| 22:47.57 | Rnuomer | maybe he needs other people's hugs, too <3 |
| 22:48.24 | Voisin | kittunhugs Nash to death <3 |
| 22:48.35 | Nash|327 | I don't really understand why people want to hug so much. |
| 22:48.47 | Nash|327 | Hug kittuns, sure, but people? |
| 22:49.23 | Voisin | it's because you're a poor misguided bastard who has one glimmer of saving grace and we want to make sure you turn human at some point. |
| 22:49.37 | Nash|327 | I don't want to be like you. |
| 22:49.42 | Nash|327 | I am better than you. |
| 22:49.49 | Voisin | at being an idiot, sure. |
| 22:49.52 | Nash|327 | Don't want your downgrades. |
| 22:50.01 | Nash|327 | Nor your opinions. |
| 22:50.04 | Rnuomer | Nash|327 sounds kind of like the people who would play Minecraft by stepping off the sand, digging 3 blocks down & plopping a block on top, claiming to have "won" |
| 22:50.11 | Vail | Nash Go fornicate with a wall socket |
| 22:50.15 | Vail | im sure you would fit |
| 22:50.21 | Voisin | I love you for that, Vail. I really do. |
| 22:50.27 | Nash|327 | How original. |
| 22:50.34 | Nash|327 | YOU HAVE A SMALL PENIS OLOLOLOL |
| 22:50.38 | Nash|327 | Seriously. |
| 22:50.44 | Nash|327 | That's just lame. |
| 22:50.49 | Rnuomer | it wouldn't bother you apparently |
| 22:50.52 | Voisin | Sorry, had to go rescue the catnip from the baby. |
| 22:50.52 | Rnuomer | if had one |
| 22:51.06 | Vail | more id like you to eletricute your self starthing with your penis |
| 22:51.30 | Vail | if you have one |
| 22:51.45 | Nash|327 | It's amusing how annoyed people get when they encounter people who aren't like them. |
| 22:51.58 | Rnuomer | or how confused they get |
| 22:52.02 | Vail | not annoyed .. saddened ... |
| 22:52.07 | Nash|327 | Even more so when they don't want to be "converted". |
| 22:52.14 | Voisin | he has one. it's small and twisted and looks like a mushroom in a fur forest. Also, I find that observation amusing coming from you, Nash, who just said he didn't want to be "downgraded" like me. |
| 22:52.46 | Nash|327 | Well, I think my way is better. |
| 22:52.57 | Nash|327 | Otherwise why would I stick to it? |
| 22:52.59 | Rnuomer | your way: sex with kittuns |
| 22:53.10 | Vail | male kittuns |
| 22:53.15 | Voisin | You also said you didn't want our opinions. Allow me to tell you that your opinion is like your asshole. You have one, yes, but it stinks. |
| 22:53.24 | Brainshack | Guys you should at least try to get going a reasonable argument. |
| 22:53.28 | Brainshack | Not with that bullshit. |
| 22:53.29 | Brainshack | Like |
| 22:53.34 | Brainshack | He's a small weiner |
| 22:53.41 | Brainshack | Or f***s cats. |
| 22:53.45 | Brainshack | thats just nonesense |
| 22:53.48 | Voisin | Okay, I think Brainshack is my new love. |
| 22:53.55 | Vail | the point was eletricuting him self form the most sensitive place... |
| 22:54.02 | Vail | but yeah |
| 22:54.04 | Nash|327 | Reasonable was out of the question from the beginning, I'm afraid. |
| 22:54.08 | Brainshack | Didnt think that works out well |
| 22:54.22 | Vail | no but i bet it hurts like hell |
| 22:54.23 | Voisin | Please tell me, Brainshack, that he at least f***s male cats? |
| 22:54.36 | Brainshack | I'm not telling anything like that |
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| 22:54.53 | Rnuomerbunny | my internet D:= |
| 22:55.00 | Brainshack | Cause that makes just no sense at all. |
| 22:55.02 | Nash|327 | D:< |
| 22:55.08 | Voisin | Hellfire. I'm afraid I simply can't love you if Nash doesn't **** male cats. |
| 22:55.20 | Voisin | cuddles Vail |
| 22:55.29 | Brainshack | WEll, i couldn't care less. <3 |
| 22:55.38 | Vail | cuddles Voisin |
| 22:55.45 | Voisin | ^_^ |
| 22:56.39 | Vail | oh with some times and some effort i think i may be able to get my playing sim city, then civilization and finally SC2 |
| 22:56.55 | Nash|327 | I find it rare to encounter "reasonable" people when it comes to acceptance of differences. |
| 22:57.33 | Voisin | Nash, please review your previous statements to me about downgrades before you say such things. You're contradicting yourself, which I believe is called hypocrisy when it comes to implementation. |
| 22:57.46 | Nash|327 | It's not hypocrisy. |
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| 22:57.54 | Nash|327 | I think I am better than other people. |
| 22:58.07 | Nash|327 | I am also aware that other people think they are better than other people. |
| 22:58.15 | Vail | delisional |
| 22:58.45 | Nash|327 | Because of the criteria people apply to what makes a person good tends to overlap a lot with how people are. |
| 22:58.49 | Voisin | which means you can't accept differences because you're putting yourself above everyone else. |
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| 22:59.17 | Vail | i am better because they are diffrent doesnt really work |
| 22:59.19 | Nash|327 | It's like a race where everyone has a different idea of where the goal is, thus they all think they are winning. |
| 22:59.25 | nodgene | GENTLEMEN |
| 22:59.29 | Voisin | That makes you unable to see the small but beautiful uniquenesses that make other people shimmer like jewels. |
| 23:00.06 | Voisin | Brb, must put my son down for a nap. |
| 23:00.15 | Vail | i will still be here |
| 23:00.36 | nodgene | Is it possible. To be able for a team to share say, a barracks; any production facility, so they can all build their own player's units from the common barracks? |
| 23:00.56 | Vail | i think so with triggers |
| 23:01.25 | Voisin | has returned. |
| 23:01.30 | nodgene | Interesting. |
| 23:01.41 | Nash|327 | I don't understand why people want to have children, but I don't call them delusional, claim that they have sex with animals, or throw a bunch of random insults about their penis size at them for it. |
| 23:01.41 | Vail | nodgene: http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/shared-vendor/ |
| 23:01.46 | Vail | this may help |
| 23:01.50 | nodgene | thank you, good sir |
| 23:02.07 | Voisin | Nash, darling, you started all that with your talk of kittuns and saying that females are equivalent to feces. |
| 23:02.36 | Voisin | But I do see your point and apologize. |
| 23:02.40 | Nash|327 | Well if you want to interpret it that way. |
| 23:02.42 | Nash|327 | D_D |
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| 23:03.46 | Nash|327 | The point was that you can never add to perfection. |
| 23:03.52 | Vail | you have a point i will grant you that, though you need to be a bit more careful with how you phrase thing if you mind how other inteperate things |
| 23:03.53 | Rnuomer | some people do seem to equate hugs with sex however |
| 23:03.59 | Voisin | My point is that there is NO perfection. |
| 23:04.07 | Nash|327 | There are kittuns! |
| 23:04.15 | Dynast | sprinkles seeds on top of perfection. |
| 23:04.24 | Vail | nash i cant take that seriously |
| 23:04.29 | Voisin | facepalms |
| 23:04.29 | nodgene | vail, currently only for upgrades, it claims, but have you used the same process to produce units? |
| 23:04.47 | Vail | no but i think it may be adaptable |
| 23:04.57 | nodgene | will have to have a look at any rate |
| 23:05.04 | nodgene | thanks |
| 23:06.05 | Voisin | So, Nash, I have a question. |
| 23:06.08 | nodgene | I suppose he talks about not applicable for weapons or items, but an upgrade one would think, in terms of ownership, is closer to a unit than an item or weapon applicable to a character, persay. |
| 23:06.41 | Nash|327 | D:~~ |
| 23:06.47 | Vail | i havent looked into the library my self i cant find the download link |
| 23:07.21 | Vail | there may not be one yet i think which is sad |
| 23:07.29 | Voisin | This is a serious question, Nash, so lay aside the ego and the kittuns for a moment. You seem rather intelligent when not being a deliberate troll. |
| 23:07.41 | Nash|327 | I am never a deliberate troll. |
| 23:07.53 | Voisin | Here's the question: |
| 23:08.35 | Nash|327 | So dramatic... :o |
| 23:08.58 | Voisin | Why is it that men enjoy women who have large, curvaceous breasts, but dislike women who are large and curvaceous in other areas as well and ridicule women who use alternative methods to gain said large and curvaceous breasts? |
| 23:09.54 | nodgene | sexual preference for big women is regional, in places in north Africa it's still a very prevelant to prefer big to small. |
| 23:10.15 | Voisin | sadly, I'm in the USA, nodgene. |
| 23:10.25 | Nash|327 | Well, people are affected by societal norms as to what is attractive and what is not. |
| 23:10.43 | Voisin | allow me to tailor my question to males in the USA |
| 23:10.50 | Nash|327 | If you're asking me why the female beauty ideal is the way it is, it's not something I can answer. |
| 23:11.04 | Voisin | Okay. Figured I'd ask. Thanks anyway. |
| 23:11.11 | nodgene | I would theorise |
| 23:11.37 | nodgene | tanned, atheltic builds have become sexualised in post-industrial socieities because they are counter to the norm. |
| 23:11.38 | Vail | women taught to be barbie ... men generally taught to want barbie ... my opinon and theory |
| 23:12.29 | nodgene | In pre-industrial socieities pale, big women are often favoured as a sign of wealth. Lower castes spend time in the fields and have darker skin, and are thinner. Upper class the reverse. |
| 23:13.16 | nodgene | It's typical of indian and african socieities for pale skin to be considered beautiful. Perhaps in part due to colonalism, but it goes deeper than that I think. |
| 23:13.51 | Nash|327 | One can theorize, sure, but my experience of such theories tends to be that they are some biological justification for why men find the current ideals attractive. |
| 23:14.02 | nodgene | caste systems, who works in the fields; who spends their time in the palace.... |
| 23:14.24 | Nash|327 | I don't believe in such theories, I don't think everything can be reduced to some biological instincts. |
| 23:14.36 | Voisin | That's the point, Nash....and thus far it's proven somewhat interesting. |
| 23:14.43 | Nash|327 | And it seems like a too convenient justification. |
| 23:15.08 | nodgene | Sexual appetite is far more malleable I think. |
| 23:15.10 | Voisin | But if not everything can be reduced to biological instincts and justification, provide me with your viewpoint. |
| 23:15.21 | Nash|327 | That, or a fallacy where you start with a conclusion and work your way back. |
| 23:15.46 | Voisin | Having taken a philosophy course, Nash, that's not a fallacy. That's called Inductive Reasoning. |
| 23:15.57 | Voisin | sorry, Deductive. My bad. |
| 23:16.09 | Nash|327 | "Current ideals MUST be biologically motivated, let's find data which supports this." <- that's a fallacy |
| 23:16.28 | nodgene | or... a hypothesis? |
| 23:16.45 | Voisin | So quit criticizing everyone else's views and tell me yours, since you're supposed to be superior to everyone else. |
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| 23:16.57 | Nash|327 | Not if you handpick data which supports your conclusion. |
| 23:16.59 | Nash|327 | :G |
| 23:17.01 | Wiz10011 | Yo |
| 23:17.09 | Rnuomer | =:G |
| 23:17.12 | Rnuomer | hi =:D |
| 23:17.19 | Wiz10011 | whats up? |
| 23:17.25 | nodgene | Well no you start off by saying "I believe X means Y" and then research... and then research will provide positive or negative conclusions. |
| 23:17.34 | Voisin | hi wiz. we're having a discussion concerning current feminine beauty ideals and nash is dodging the question. |
| 23:17.45 | nodgene | HE LIKES THE BIG GIRLS? |
| 23:17.52 | Voisin | and trying to turn the argument toward philosophy |
| 23:18.00 | Nash|327 | Right, call it doging because I didn't answer your question instantly. |
| 23:18.08 | Nash|327 | Self-important, huh? |
| 23:18.09 | Wiz10011 | I see. |
| 23:18.17 | Nash|327 | :/ |
| 23:18.21 | nodgene | Do you like the big girls, wiz? |
| 23:18.22 | Vail | no you aswered with things that are not about the question |
| 23:18.33 | Wiz10011 | define big girls. |
| 23:18.39 | Nash|327 | I had other things to say. |
| 23:18.40 | nodgene | overweight |
| 23:18.51 | Wiz10011 | really fat ones? No, a little chubby is okay. |
| 23:18.58 | nodgene | not necessarily obese |
| 23:19.00 | nodgene | up to you |
| 23:19.04 | Nash|327 | Excuse me for daring speak without being spoken to! |
| 23:19.06 | nodgene | are you a chubby chaser? :D |
| 23:19.08 | Nash|327 | D:~~ |
| 23:19.29 | Wiz10011 | talking to me still? |
| 23:19.48 | nodgene | I ask! yes, wiz. |
| 23:20.06 | Nash|327 | Now... Where were we? |
| 23:20.06 | Voisin | are you done being indignant, Nash? because you really were dodging. |
| 23:20.28 | Wiz10011 | Oh, Im not really chasing anything atm, busy focusing on university, but Like i said a little chubby is fine with me. |
| 23:20.36 | Nash|327 | You may interpret it any way you like, I don't care to argue that particular aspect further. |
| 23:20.57 | Vail | just like nash when things start not going his way he quits |
| 23:21.11 | nodgene | but do you chase the chubby? Or is it just within your spectrum of preference? |
| 23:21.32 | nodgene | VAIL |
| 23:21.33 | Voisin | I interpret Wiz's statement as chasing mild to moderate chub, nodgene. |
| 23:21.35 | nodgene | ARE YOU A CHUBBY CHASER? |
| 23:21.41 | Vail | yep |
| 23:21.43 | Vail | i am |
| 23:21.46 | nodgene | Yeo |
| 23:21.50 | Wiz10011 | its within the preference, it not like I prefer chubby over skinny, But its within the range that i'll consider a woman to get close to. |
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| 23:22.03 | nodgene | I have a friend who loves the big girls. We laugh so hard when he brings back stories, or gets tagged in facebook. |
| 23:22.10 | nodgene | Fair enough wiz. |
| 23:22.19 | Rnuomer | why do they call skinny skinny, when fat people would generally have more skin? |
| 23:22.20 | Nash|327 | I guess we are done here. Back to focusing on Star Trek D_D |
| 23:22.32 | Voisin | I have no idea, Rnuomer. |
| 23:22.39 | Triceron | are they making another Star Trek movie? |
| 23:22.43 | nodgene | haa, clever rnuomer |
| 23:22.54 | nodgene | are they? |
| 23:23.03 | Voisin | I have far more skin than my slender daughter. |
| 23:23.10 | Vail | yeah i heard there are another two startreks around |
| 23:23.15 | Vail | the corner |
| 23:23.16 | Triceron | same director? |
| 23:23.20 | Vail | no |
| 23:23.46 | Vail | i think the same director was asked but said no |
| 23:24.54 | Voisin | yup |
| 23:25.20 | Brainshack | i guess they are called skinny cuz they mostly constist of skin and not much meat^^ |
| 23:25.29 | Voisin | It's possible, Brainshack. |
| 23:25.44 | Triceron | because they're 'skin and bones' |
| 23:25.47 | Triceron | and boney sounds stupid |
| 23:26.19 | Voisin | My daughter is skinny. My sister is bony. I am quite proudly fat. |
| 23:26.27 | nodgene | yeah., from the phrase "skin and bones" |
| 23:26.38 | Vail | i am a big guy |
| 23:26.38 | nodgene | hoho triceron |
| 23:26.52 | nodgene | Fair enough |
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| 23:28.46 | Vail | anyone see super 8? |
| 23:28.55 | Nash|327 | yup |
| 23:29.04 | Wiz10011 | is it good? |
| 23:29.06 | Vail | good? i heard not si much |
| 23:29.16 | Vail | not so* |
| 23:29.16 | Nash|327 | I thought so. |
| 23:29.37 | Vail | i heard the plots have trouble fitting together at the end |
| 23:29.45 | Wiz10011 | i read that it was somewhat related to cloverfield, any truth to that? |
| 23:29.46 | Nash|327 | Kind of an ET that's more adult. |
| 23:29.57 | Nash|327 | More violence, action, etc. |
| 23:30.06 | Vail | same director i believe |
| 23:30.10 | Nash|327 | Nope. |
| 23:30.12 | nodgene | adults love dat violence |
| 23:31.07 | Voisin | all modern people like anymore is movies with fast cars, big explosions, and naked ladies. who the hell needs plot? |
| 23:31.11 | Nash|327 | It's set during the 80s and also feels like an older movie, but with much better effects. |
| 23:31.38 | nodgene | Dunno, I for one voisin, love violence and naked women... but a movie with the aforementioned without plot really bores me |
| 23:31.47 | Nash|327 | Like an excellent remastering of an 80s classic Sci-Fi. |
| 23:31.47 | nodgene | even transformers did my head in because it was so dull. |
| 23:32.34 | Voisin | I also enjoy naked women, but the violence-heavy, plot-lacking movies of today bore me. It's quite possible for a movie to be good without violence or naked ladies and with plot. |
| 23:32.49 | nodgene | True indeed |
| 23:32.52 | Vail | i will agree |
| 23:32.59 | Wiz10011 | I agree, I prefer plot over anything else. |
| 23:33.02 | Nash|327 | I never understood the point of naked women as a selling point for a movie. |
| 23:33.12 | Nash|327 | If that's why you want why not look at porn? |
| 23:33.17 | Vail | hell i like alot of " kid Movies" but then they have alot more naughty in them than people realize |
| 23:33.17 | Wiz10011 | well nash, sex/naked women, sells |
| 23:33.39 | Voisin | I point to Labyrinth to support my argument. |
| 23:33.48 | Nash|327 | Well, still seems like a less efficient way to watch porn. |
| 23:34.06 | Voisin | No naked ladies, no sex, minimal violence and almost no explosions. |
| 23:34.09 | nodgene | labyrinth was very violent though |
| 23:34.12 | Wiz10011 | Oh yea, It seems they are going over board with it recently. |
| 23:34.14 | nodgene | at parts |
| 23:34.32 | Voisin | only in the parts where Sarah was storming the goblin city. |
| 23:34.46 | Nash|327 | Seems to me that if you want naked women, watch porn, if you want plot, watch a movie. |
| 23:34.54 | nodgene | and the start with the fascist spaniards |
| 23:35.02 | Nash|327 | Watching a crappy movie with half-naked women just seems inefficient. |
| 23:35.04 | Nash|327 | D_D |
| 23:35.04 | Voisin | fascist spaniards? |
| 23:35.05 | Vail | to much plot alienates the audiance |
| 23:35.09 | Voisin | in Labyrinth? |
| 23:35.12 | Voisin | Where? |
| 23:35.18 | nodgene | ... |
| 23:35.19 | Nash|327 | Pan's Labyrinth |
| 23:35.20 | Nash|327 | D_D |
| 23:35.23 | nodgene | Pan's Labyrinth |
| 23:35.25 | Nash|327 | Wrong movie. |
| 23:35.29 | nodgene | Bah |
| 23:35.48 | Voisin | ?! I've never even seen Pan's Labyrinth... |
| 23:36.00 | nodgene | I assumed you were talking about it |
| 23:36.00 | Vail | its good i recomend it if you like reading your movie |
| 23:36.09 | Vail | movies* |
| 23:36.17 | Voisin | no, I mean the Labyrinth with David Bowie and Muppets. |
| 23:36.25 | Wiz10011 | as in subtitles? |
| 23:36.28 | Vail | seen that too liked it. |
| 23:36.29 | nodgene | Right, bit different, hah |
| 23:36.36 | Vail | yes Subtitles |
| 23:36.46 | Nash|327 | Land and Freedom was a better movie about fascism in Spain, but Pan's Labyrinth is only partially about that. |
| 23:37.00 | Vail | er its not really about that at all ... |
| 23:37.09 | nodgene | If you want into that period you may aswell just read George Orwell's Homage to Catalonia. |
| 23:37.15 | Vail | it features some tones of it.. |
| 23:38.23 | Nash|327 | You could put it that way, sure. |
| 23:39.09 | nodgene | Makes one quite sympathetic to the poor Spanish trostkyists, even if you arn't exactly a socialist. |
| 23:39.20 | Nash|327 | Kind of like how most fantasy is set in some vague medieval period. |
| 23:39.32 | Nash|327 | Or Harry Potter is set in modern Britain. |
| 23:39.39 | nodgene | lol yes. I'm writing a fantasy novel that vaguely follows those lines. |
| 23:39.45 | Nash|327 | It's just a secondary setting. |
| 23:39.48 | Vail | yeah thats annoying isnt the vague medieval period stuff |
| 23:40.01 | Nash|327 | Some parts of it. |
| 23:40.16 | Vail | seems uncreative to me |
| 23:40.22 | Vail | stock |
| 23:40.23 | Nash|327 | nodgene: as does Land and Freedom |
| 23:40.25 | nodgene | Although it's not explicitly medieval, since the soldiers have industrialised weapons; assault rifles, artillery, etc. |
| 23:40.46 | Nash|327 | My fantasy books are set in some vague medieval setting. |
| 23:40.58 | Nash|327 | Yet are very different from generic fantasy. |
| 23:41.03 | Vail | heh i was working on a story that was medieval ish save they had replicaros and nanomachines |
| 23:41.04 | Triceron | you're writing a fantasy novel? |
| 23:41.10 | Triceron | are you a writer, professionally? |
| 23:41.10 | Nash|327 | I already did. |
| 23:41.13 | Nash|327 | I wrote 3. |
| 23:41.16 | nodgene | nice vail |
| 23:41.23 | nodgene | Oh? Published? |
| 23:41.25 | Triceron | published? |
| 23:41.25 | Nash|327 | No, not professionally. |
| 23:41.30 | nodgene | I am, from time to time. |
| 23:41.31 | Nash|327 | Hobby. |
| 23:41.31 | nodgene | Fair enough |
| 23:41.34 | Triceron | ah |
| 23:42.02 | Vail | is weltall here too? |
| 23:42.22 | Voisin | brb |
| 23:42.24 | Vail | k |
| 23:42.31 | Triceron | nash, you the guy who made Fringe right? |
| 23:42.36 | Nash|327 | Indeed. |
| 23:42.42 | Triceron | Very cool map :D |
| 23:42.58 | Nash|327 | Glad you like it. |
| 23:43.01 | nodgene | I am thinking of making a custom map, based on a map I made for age of mythology... that was based on c&c renegade... but it would have slight elements inspired by team fortress so; so I would call it... "Age of Renegade Fortress" :D lol. |
| 23:43.04 | Vail | nice Deciever as if done by Chipmunks |
| 23:43.18 | Vail | Lol |
| 23:43.24 | Nash|327 | Not my best writing, perhaps, but nobody reads the text anyway :P |
| 23:44.06 | Rnuomer | Is there a way to make certain players see things differently? |
| 23:44.17 | nodgene | like, LOS? |
| 23:44.23 | Triceron | You got any new projects lined up, Nash? |
| 23:44.23 | nodgene | shared or not? |
| 23:44.24 | Nash|327 | Define things, define differently. |
| 23:44.33 | Nash|327 | Triceron: yes indeed |
| 23:44.47 | Nash|327 | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/project-workplace/21591-untitled-hero-survival-arena-showcase-requesting-feedback/ |
| 23:44.50 | Nash|327 | That. |
| 23:45.04 | Vail | how do you mean diffrent Rnuomer |
| 23:45.06 | Wiz10011 | I think he means Player 1 looks at something and sees a drone, Player 2 looks at the same area and sees a hydra. |
| 23:45.15 | Rnuomer | yes like that |
| 23:45.22 | Rnuomer | for certain player groups |
| 23:45.32 | Triceron | oh weet |
| 23:45.33 | Vail | i have an idea about that |
| 23:45.37 | Triceron | I remember seeing that |
| 23:45.39 | Nash|327 | hm |
| 23:45.59 | Jum-Jum | Can't you do like two actors and have them invis for each player? |
| 23:46.06 | Rnuomer | like for example, a Space Elf (protoss) would see charred forests & destroyed land at the Terran base |
| 23:46.19 | Nash|327 | Well, cloaking looks different to different players... |
| 23:46.30 | Nash|327 | So it's possible on some level. |
| 23:46.35 | Rnuomer | the Terrans would see more pretentious looking Protoss models |
| 23:46.53 | Rnuomer | & the zerg sees everything else as T-bone steaks with legs |
| 23:47.15 | Rnuomer | something like that |
| 23:47.20 | Vail | validate by race and model swap |
| 23:47.20 | Triceron | that sounds like it would desync |
| 23:47.34 | Triceron | but I'm sure you can somehow do it |
| 23:47.39 | Triceron | with a lot of trickery |
| 23:48.12 | Rnuomer | I really want to see something cool with that kind of system |
| 23:48.12 | Nash|327 | I finished Reaper today :G |
| 23:48.24 | Rnuomer | yaay =:G |
| 23:48.31 | Nash|327 | Awesome class to play. |
| 23:49.38 | Nash|327 | Should do some testing some time soon. |
| 23:49.43 | Triceron | EU only? |
| 23:49.50 | Nash|327 | Yup. |
| 23:49.52 | Rnuomer | =:( if it is |
| 23:49.55 | Rnuomer | =:( |
| 23:50.19 | Nash|327 | Me and Dresnia are both EU. |
| 23:50.24 | Triceron | ahh |
| 23:50.39 | Nash|327 | So when the map is done we would need someone else to upload it on other realms. |
| 23:50.53 | Triceron | you definitely should! |
| 23:51.04 | Wiz10011 | what kind of map is it? |
| 23:51.15 | Wiz10011 | oh that one you linked before? |
| 23:51.20 | Nash|327 | Yas. |
| 23:52.33 | Nash|327 | If you look through the thread you should get a fair idea of how it works. |
| 23:52.38 | Triceron | so you're not actually loading multiple maps |
| 23:52.53 | Wiz10011 | Yea reading it now, the images wont load for me though. |
| 23:52.55 | Triceron | but you have a bunch of different 'arenas' terrained within one 256x256 map? |
| 23:53.03 | Triceron | and it chooses one of em? |
| 23:53.16 | Nash|327 | well, players choose one of them |
| 23:53.21 | Triceron | ahh |
| 23:53.22 | Nash|327 | then other players can join |
| 23:53.34 | Nash|327 | and it scales difficulty with player count |
| 23:53.50 | Triceron | they're each self-contained right? |
| 23:54.30 | Nash|327 | If you mean they are competely independent and you can't go from one arena to an other, yes. |
| 23:55.00 | Nash|327 | http://static.sc2mapster.com/content/attachments/16/703/Screenshot2011-05-30_10_17_00.jpg this pic is prbably the most informative about deploy screen |
| 23:55.05 | Nash|327 | even if it's a bit outdated |
| 23:55.34 | Nash|327 | Your tier is based on your level. |
| 23:55.43 | nodgene | interesting |
| 23:55.43 | Brainshack | LOLZ i always thought you were working on a pvp map^^ |
| 23:55.59 | Nash|327 | You only gain more levels for playing your own tier. |
| 23:56.32 | Nash|327 | You can join or create new arenas if the arena isn't in use, and select mode/tier. |
| 23:56.43 | Wiz10011 | looks interesting |
| 23:56.52 | Wiz10011 | sadly im US so i cant beta test it. |
| 23:56.56 | Triceron | same :( |
| 23:57.09 | Vail | yep |
| 23:57.19 | Wiz10011 | I look forward though to when it's done being uploaded to US b.net |
| 23:57.20 | Nash|327 | Today's new screen shows a bit more of an action shot. |
| 23:57.23 | Nash|327 | http://static.sc2mapster.com/content/attachments/17/265/Screenshot2011-06-14_06_06_49.jpg |
| 23:57.42 | Rnuomer | NA* |
| 23:57.54 | Dustin | Anyone want to help showcase my map for a video? |
| 23:57.55 | Brainshack | how long is one arena suppose to take? |
| 23:57.55 | Nash|327 | Though the terrain sucks since it's my test map and not the real terrain :G |
| 23:58.01 | Nash|327 | about 15 minutes |
| 23:58.27 | Brainshack | so these 100 waves will spawn very quick? |
| 23:58.46 | Nash|327 | Yes, that's Carnage mode, it spawns stuff really fast but enemies are weak. |
| 23:58.55 | Nash|327 | 8 seconds between each wave. |
| 23:59.19 | nodgene | I like the UI changes, was that difficult to do? |
| 23:59.33 | Nash|327 | I thought it would be harder than it was. |
| 23:59.42 | Nash|327 | But it only took me like a day. |
