| 00:02.22 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 00:02.28 | Vail | welcome back |
| 00:02.34 | Brainshack | at least 50% of my tip for the final was true^^ |
| 00:02.43 | Brainshack | so sick |
| 00:02.49 | Brainshack | those nydus worms everywhere |
| 00:02.52 | Brainshack | nice^^ |
| 00:04.30 | Vail | need to be working on my mini campaign or something |
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| 00:11.17 | Motive | purl! |
| 00:11.19 | Motive | ~seen reactorex |
| 00:11.26 | purl | reactorex <~Reactorex@adsl-074-171-206-222.sip.owb.bellsouth.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 17d 22h 35m 2s ago, saying: 'Test...'. |
| 00:11.26 | Motive | !seen reactorex |
| 00:11.26 | Motive | soemthing like that |
| 00:11.26 | Motive | what is it?! |
| 00:11.29 | Motive | thank you. |
| 00:11.35 | Motive | damn that's a while ago :( |
| 00:11.47 | Motive | slaps purl around a bit with a large trout |
| 00:22.06 | Xaragoth | Also |
| 00:22.07 | Xaragoth | Like a boss. |
| 00:23.20 | Nash|327 | damn you actor |
| 00:23.32 | Nash|327 | impact effect shows up before missile hits |
| 00:23.47 | Nash|327 | and I copied Tychus grenade, which works |
| 00:23.50 | Nash|327 | but copy does not |
| 00:23.56 | Nash|327 | fuck actors, kill them all |
| 00:26.40 | Nash|327 | of course, unlinked reference while duplicating |
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| 00:45.20 | Mexa | Hello.. |
| 00:56.08 | Vail | yo |
| 01:00.22 | Nash|327 | MEXAFACE |
| 01:01.55 | Brainshack | gz mma |
| 01:11.41 | allenmelon | HotS campaign looks interesting |
| 01:12.03 | Vail | nod |
| 01:13.42 | Vail | i cant wait to get my hand on it |
| 01:14.06 | allenmelon | just one hand? |
| 01:14.13 | Brainshack | nasl on |
| 01:14.21 | Brainshack | oh man so much great sc2... |
| 01:14.29 | Brainshack | im getting an overdose^^ |
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| 01:26.36 | Bounty | >< |
| 01:28.11 | Nash|327 | why does my AOE heal on attack impact effect show up on attacked unit and not attacker :/ |
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| 01:28.58 | Nash|327 | the effect never targets the attacked unit |
| 01:29.07 | Nash|327 | and I'm using At Effect in actor |
| 01:29.38 | Nash|327 | it works on all nearby allies correctly |
| 01:29.57 | Nash|327 | but for the actual unit doing the attacking the impact shows up on target |
| 01:30.00 | Nash|327 | D_D |
| 01:35.47 | Vail | what are you trying to do it sounds like you may need at caster instead... |
| 01:36.44 | Nash|327 | no, because it's AoE |
| 01:37.05 | Nash|327 | it should show up at all units hit by the heal |
| 01:38.07 | Vail | what should? |
| 01:38.15 | Nash|327 | the impact effect |
| 01:39.12 | Vail | where do you want it to show up? |
| 01:39.28 | Nash|327 | well it works already |
| 01:39.40 | Nash|327 | except for the caster |
| 01:39.59 | Vail | ok whats wrong there? |
| 01:40.19 | Nash|327 | It shows up on the attacked unit and not caster |
| 01:41.55 | Vail | sounds like you need to change the impact location of the effect its self to be the caster then ..dont know if that will work.. could you decribe what your ability or weapon does? |
| 01:42.06 | Nash|327 | it can't be caster |
| 01:42.13 | Nash|327 | then it will show up ONLY on caster |
| 01:42.15 | Nash|327 | D_D |
| 01:42.19 | Nash|327 | which is worse |
| 01:45.52 | Nash|327 | I just want the fucking impact FX to show up on units when they are hit by a modify unit effect |
| 01:46.33 | Nash|327 | but actors love fucking with me |
| 01:47.21 | Vail | i see. |
| 01:47.52 | Vail | is the effect affecting the caster as well? |
| 01:48.11 | Nash|327 | Indeed! |
| 01:48.14 | Nash|327 | Well, shit. |
| 01:48.33 | Nash|327 | At Effect doesn't work, but At Target does. |
| 01:48.43 | Nash|327 | Isn't the fucking effect on the fucking target? |
| 01:48.47 | Vail | hm. |
| 01:48.51 | Nash|327 | Gah. |
| 01:48.57 | Nash|327 | Oh well, it works. |
| 01:49.01 | Nash|327 | I just hate actors. |
| 01:49.46 | Vail | the method of applying the actors depends on how you set up your ability weapon or what ever... |
| 01:50.34 | Vail | what do you have against explaining how you are creating your effects and such? |
| 01:50.49 | Nash|327 | Does it matter? |
| 01:50.52 | Nash|327 | I fixed it. |
| 01:51.21 | Nash|327 | Editor froze, yay. |
| 01:51.52 | Vail | there are sometimes dozens of ways to achive the same effect and when you ask for help its easier to help if you explain the method of your effects. |
| 01:52.28 | Vail | well maybe not dozens but often more than one .. |
| 01:53.53 | Vail | but i am glad you have fixed it. |
| 01:54.06 | Nash|327 | Actors: No documentation to speak of, no clear logic how to do things, no consistency in existing actors to use as reference. |
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| 01:55.07 | Vail | bizzard hasent documented anything about the editor really so all we have are tutoruals and wikis created by other users |
| 01:55.10 | Nash|327 | There's a crapload of variation of how Blizzard did something simple like start Birth Stand Death |
| 01:55.34 | Nash|327 | Birth Stand Death, BSD, $BSD, GL_BSD, ... |
| 01:55.39 | Nash|327 | and whatever |
| 01:55.57 | Vail | yes. |
| 01:56.09 | Nash|327 | Fucking annoying. |
| 01:56.15 | Vail | hell yes.. |
| 01:57.26 | Nash|327 | And using previewer sucks :/ |
| 01:58.06 | Vail | and alot of things are sityeah no real use that has besides checking animations |
| 01:58.22 | Vail | why do i ALWAYS backspace fail |
| 01:59.12 | Vail | the actors are situationally dependant and the only use the previewer has is checking the animation for use with actor events and some other things |
| 01:59.21 | Nash|327 | dig through folders of m3 files to find good anims |
| 01:59.24 | Nash|327 | oh joy |
| 01:59.55 | Vail | yeah. |
| 02:00.29 | Brainshack | The time has come for me to crawl into my dark tomb. Great night to all of you. |
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| 02:07.48 | Vail | i get fustrated with actros my self |
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| 03:22.40 | Vail | hello |
| 03:23.38 | Ibebusiness | fail lol |
| 03:25.26 | Vail | yes i seem to be dealing with that at the moment |
| 03:35.41 | Ibebusiness | lol |
| 03:39.37 | SpiderDave | i think if there was a book on how to use the sc2 editor, it'd be gigantic |
| 03:40.56 | Ibebusiness | hell yea |
| 03:41.37 | Ibebusiness | the fun stuff is when working with one part of your code, another part breaks, and then you spend a whole day figuring it out |
| 03:42.37 | Ibebusiness | just to find out a single variable in your 10k worth of triggers wasnt being set |
| 03:43.11 | SpiderDave | i did some custom unit stuff and somehow it applied to a map and not the mod i was working on >.< |
| 03:45.29 | Ibebusiness | how do you make a mod? |
| 03:45.36 | Ibebusiness | been trying to figure that out |
| 03:45.53 | Ibebusiness | I ended up copying everything from a mod into my map by hand |
| 03:46.10 | Ibebusiness | would have loved to just add everything to the mod |
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| 07:10.25 | Agouti | Anybody awake? |
| 07:10.47 | Griffenator | No. |
| 07:11.13 | Agouti | That is a damn shame |
| 07:12.17 | SpiderDave | you're having a nightmare |
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| 07:13.13 | Agouti | *matrix reference goes here* |
| 07:17.14 | Agouti | On topic: I'm having problems with using presets and passing them in a function |
| 07:17.40 | Agouti | specifically, I can't get it to do someFunction(PresetName) |
| 07:18.09 | Agouti | Preset is of type Integer, as is the parameter, and I can compare it to the presets inside the function |
| 07:18.29 | Agouti | but the only way to actually pass it as a preset seems to be going via a local variable |
| 07:19.10 | Agouti | ie PresetVar = PresetName <Integer (Constant)> |
| 07:19.18 | Agouti | then someFunction(PresetVar) |
| 07:20.01 | Agouti | I've also tried making the Preset as a Basic Type, which I thought would let me select it as a type for parameters/variables |
| 07:20.07 | Agouti | but that hasn't seemed to work, either |
| 07:20.49 | Agouti | It will show up for a variable, but not for a parameter |
| 07:26.34 | Agouti | Or more specifically, it will show for local variables, however not for global variables |
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| 07:42.15 | Agouti | Ah, had to restart GE. Never mind, you can all stop stressing now. |
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| 08:23.00 | Nash|327 | I want to make a unit move in one direction and attack in another :G |
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| 08:27.07 | Agouti | in data or triggers? |
| 08:29.58 | Nash|327 | data :G |
| 08:30.05 | Nash|327 | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/data/22283-move-in-one-direction-attack-in-another/ |
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| 08:34.32 | Nash|327 | power nap time |
| 08:50.55 | Mexa | nowai |
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| 09:04.33 | Agouti | um |
| 09:04.42 | Agouti | Nash I believe it is possible |
| 09:05.24 | Agouti | there is a flag "Turn before move" |
| 09:19.25 | SpiderDave | i know there's a flag or something to stop a unit from being able to turn too |
| 09:19.37 | SpiderDave | i set it on something and was able to attack if i moved the unit to face it |
| 09:20.31 | Helral|Work | SpiderDave: unit flag: turnable |
| 09:21.07 | Helral|Work | you can also prevent an unit from turning while standing still. |
| 09:21.25 | Helral|Work | think that was done with the stationary turning rate value |
| 09:21.58 | SpiderDave | i was just thinking about what nash posted before you joined: http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/data/22283-move-in-one-direction-attack-in-another/ |
| 09:22.11 | SpiderDave | i think i see what he's going for now though |
| 09:23.33 | Helral|Work | ow that's just changing the weapon arc to 360 and it can attack in all directions. |
| 09:23.49 | Helral|Work | without needing to turn. |
| 09:24.34 | Helral|Work | hmmm not what he wants, just read the post. ;p |
| 09:25.17 | SpiderDave | sort of a smash tv style strafe maybe |
| 09:25.27 | SpiderDave | that'd be a nice mod btw |
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| 09:26.51 | Helral|Work | SpiderDave: well what he says as last in his post is the way to do it ;p |
| 09:29.11 | SpiderDave | maybe it's something like a goliath? |
| 09:29.56 | Helral|Work | he wants it like a diamondback but that unit has a turret that turns 360 degrees. |
| 09:30.13 | Helral|Work | and he wants the entire unit to turn 360 degrees and attack while moving. |
| 09:34.24 | Agouti | it should be doable |
| 09:34.37 | Agouti | move while shoot on, turn before move off |
| 09:34.42 | Agouti | without testing it |
| 09:35.53 | SpiderDave | that would actually look pretty cool |
| 09:37.45 | Agouti | not many units have animations which let them move sideways |
| 09:38.10 | Agouti | all the hover ones do, of course, but outside them Queen and Immortal are the only ones I think |
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| 09:39.46 | goa | hi |
| 09:41.02 | SpiderDave | i don't like diamondbacks; they're so awkward |
| 09:41.16 | SpiderDave | and a laser is not a railgun ;) |
| 09:41.49 | goa | I have a question, why is it whan I apply force (effect) to certain units,they stuck and I cant even move the unit, with move command. |
| 09:42.42 | SpiderDave | dunno; i never used that |
| 09:42.59 | Helral|Work | goa:they get stuck inside the area on which the force is applied? |
| 09:43.51 | goa | Helral , yes. I am 100% sure it is caused by it, I tried everything which would seems logical. |
| 09:44.45 | Helral|Work | goa: is the effect "apply force" perhaps being applied to the unit still, and thus causing it to be held in place? |
| 09:46.07 | goa | yeah I think so, but I tried to change the unit's speed, scale or apply force amount and didnt help. While I have units which have no such problem |
| 09:46.49 | Helral|Work | apply force is used normally to bump units away from a spot, right? |
| 09:47.11 | goa | yes |
| 09:47.37 | goa | actually to a target in my case, its a wormhole effect. |
| 09:47.55 | Helral|Work | hehehe the opposite then, like the motherships one. |
| 09:48.32 | Helral|Work | the Vortex ability. |
| 09:48.46 | goa | well I have a pull and push effect, and both not working with these units |
| 09:50.09 | goa | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/project-workplace/14258-released-the-final-frontier-space-rts/?page=2#p39 (I used this wormhole effect, however I modified some stuff on it) |
| 09:51.15 | Helral|Work | maybe some flag on the unit not set correctly orso? |
| 09:51.28 | goa | not flag |
| 09:51.30 | goa | but lol |
| 09:51.33 | goa | I just fixed it |
| 09:51.53 | goa | after 1 day shiting:D |
| 09:52.26 | goa | I copied every stat from one unit to the other and it now works |
| 09:52.51 | goa | before that I copied all move stats and flags, and it still didnt worked. |
| 09:59.08 | Helral|Work | you forgot the move ability? |
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| 10:40.02 | Goa | re |
| 10:40.17 | Goa | I figured out: "Field Stats - Mass" if it is 1 or it is over 1, than pull and push wont work! (I hate data editor!!!) |
| 10:42.44 | Mexa | ~seen Stewox |
| 10:42.53 | purl | stewox <~Stewox@86.58.34.166> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 3d 10h 33m 3s ago, saying: '?'. |
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| 10:45.47 | greenturtle | hi everyone |
| 10:45.58 | greenturtle | is there a way to make an issue order effect |
| 10:46.08 | greenturtle | that uses a target defined earlier? |
| 10:46.18 | greenturtle | like |
| 10:46.30 | greenturtle | I want to create a unit |
| 10:46.36 | greenturtle | and issue an attack order |
| 10:46.39 | greenturtle | on that unit |
| 10:46.46 | greenturtle | to attack the same unit another unit is attacking |
| 10:50.38 | Deaod | ~seen MindWorX |
| 10:50.41 | purl | mindworx <~Nikolaj.M@188.176.197.82> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 243d 14h 56s ago, saying: 'Human factor is still reason enough for macros'. |
| 10:51.00 | Deaod | awwwww |
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| 11:35.09 | Mexa | anyone here somewhat knowing a little about matrices? |
| 11:35.52 | Mexa | say I have a scalar s and a matrix A and B, would (sA)B be equalent to s(AB)? |
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| 12:14.53 | Griffenator | roars. |
| 12:15.02 | Griffenator | Yes, Mexa. |
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| 13:03.55 | JademusSreg | I awaken. |
| 13:07.04 | Ibebusiness | I have a question for general debate.. |
| 13:07.24 | Ibebusiness | Say, I've been working on this pretty cool FPS... |
| 13:07.35 | Ibebusiness | drop it or keep working on it? |
| 13:08.21 | Ibebusiness | or maybe convert it to something not so FPSish |
| 13:09.39 | JademusSreg | FPS in the SC2 engine? |
| 13:09.50 | Ibebusiness | yes |
| 13:10.07 | JademusSreg | I can't tell someone to drop a project, but I can tell someone if their project is terrible. =D |
| 13:10.15 | Ibebusiness | I've spent more than a month non stop 24 -7 on it |
| 13:10.29 | JademusSreg | The former isn't a decision for me to make. |
| 13:10.33 | Ibebusiness | almost every waking moment. |
| 13:10.46 | Ibebusiness | But you guys understand every aspect of that engine |
| 13:11.00 | Ibebusiness | if only blizzard would budge |
| 13:11.16 | Ibebusiness | maybe if we could send in special maps for lag free certification :P |
| 13:11.23 | JademusSreg | Hahaha. |
| 13:11.29 | JademusSreg | It's bnet. |
| 13:11.36 | JademusSreg | Can't do anything about it. |
| 13:11.58 | Ibebusiness | Well I learned a ton load about galaxy |
| 13:12.07 | JademusSreg | Good. |
| 13:12.09 | Ibebusiness | I mapped for starcraft and warcraft II |
| 13:12.35 | Ibebusiness | but this is in a weird way totally new |
| 13:12.39 | JademusSreg | Did you see how terrible the loop natives are? =D |
| 13:12.48 | Ibebusiness | I've heard. |
| 13:12.56 | Ibebusiness | I only do GUI triggers :( |
| 13:13.00 | JademusSreg | Aww. |
| 13:13.15 | JademusSreg | I thought you meant you learned galaxy. |
| 13:13.26 | Ibebusiness | To many typos on my part and no decent debugger |
| 13:13.35 | Ibebusiness | I've learned programming in general |
| 13:13.40 | Ibebusiness | Visual basic |
| 13:13.41 | Ibebusiness | java |
| 13:13.44 | Nash|327 | :G |
| 13:13.46 | Ibebusiness | and c++ |
| 13:14.17 | JademusSreg | Anyway, got any footage of your map in action? |
| 13:14.28 | Ibebusiness | I have a test map up |
| 13:14.31 | Ibebusiness | wip1324 |
| 13:14.44 | Ibebusiness | but the lag... |
| 13:14.58 | Ibebusiness | but I have a youtube vid not showing to much |
| 13:15.43 | JademusSreg | How many triggers do you use for input capture? What's the period on your main thread? |
| 13:16.02 | Ibebusiness | I have to check that was the first thing I did |
| 13:16.03 | Ibebusiness | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/player-zone/map-suggestions-requests/22047-cold-war-global-war-wip-please-review-also-looking/ |
| 13:16.19 | Ibebusiness | I should convert to data wasd |
| 13:16.29 | Ibebusiness | but it doesnt support qweasdzxc |
| 13:16.59 | Ibebusiness | sorry, I ment 8 direction dont know what im thinking |
| 13:17.14 | JademusSreg | Bleh. I'm not fond of data wasd. But Bounty has implemented a robust version successfully and found it cuts the delay in half roughly. |
| 13:17.28 | JademusSreg | His supports diagonal and cardinal. |
| 13:17.31 | Ibebusiness | I have 8 triggers, but only 4 at any time |
| 13:17.39 | JademusSreg | See, that is terrible. |
| 13:17.39 | Ibebusiness | Left on/off |
| 13:17.40 | Ibebusiness | ect |
| 13:18.06 | JademusSreg | Use 1 trigger for key down, 1 for key up. I'll show you. |
| 13:18.19 | Ibebusiness | you mean like |
| 13:18.23 | Ibebusiness | any key press |
| 13:18.24 | Ibebusiness | and then |
| 13:18.31 | Ibebusiness | if w, if a ect? |
| 13:18.31 | JademusSreg | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/trigger-libraries/19464-triggers-input-capture-system/#p1 |
| 13:18.45 | JademusSreg | Shawn made a GUI version of my Input script. |
| 13:18.49 | Ibebusiness | lol you dont remember me |
| 13:18.54 | Ibebusiness | I pm you about it |
| 13:19.01 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 13:19.04 | Ibebusiness | I have your triggers sitting there disabled |
| 13:19.11 | Ibebusiness | I havnt implemented them yet |
| 13:19.14 | JademusSreg | Now I remember you. |
| 13:19.19 | Ibebusiness | there was a reason |
| 13:19.22 | Ibebusiness | some sort of issue |
| 13:19.33 | JademusSreg | Maybe he messed it up. That would be a shame. |
| 13:19.34 | Ibebusiness | :P |
| 13:19.36 | Ibebusiness | no |
| 13:19.42 | Ibebusiness | the triggers are fine |
| 13:20.04 | Ibebusiness | merging the code in |
| 13:20.30 | Ibebusiness | I would have to run a seperate trigger to check the variables right? |
| 13:20.53 | Ibebusiness | I didn't want the triggers running 24-7 if a player isnt moving... |
| 13:21.49 | Ibebusiness | would you check that map for me? tell me what you think? |
| 13:22.12 | Ibebusiness | there is a menu at the bottom "?" |
| 13:22.16 | JademusSreg | Disabling them doesn't work. |
| 13:22.23 | Ibebusiness | ah |
| 13:22.27 | Ibebusiness | I remember reading that |
| 13:22.31 | Ibebusiness | nice |
| 13:22.34 | JademusSreg | It doesn't throttle the net traffic, so it is pointless. |
| 13:22.53 | JademusSreg | That's partly why I developed my system, to be optimally efficient. |
| 13:23.08 | Ibebusiness | so if I mixed that in with data |
| 13:23.48 | Ibebusiness | I could get the four basic directions via data, and the last 4 directions via trigger... |
| 13:24.00 | Ibebusiness | meh... maybe not |
| 13:24.13 | Ibebusiness | I could... |
| 13:24.26 | JademusSreg | If you use data, you'll only use my system for getting mouse. |
| 13:24.31 | Ibebusiness | meh... shooting still lags |
| 13:24.40 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 13:24.45 | Ibebusiness | well i use many keys on the keyboard |
| 13:24.49 | JademusSreg | Ahh. |
| 13:24.50 | Ibebusiness | I would use it all |
| 13:24.58 | Ibebusiness | m for map |
| 13:25.04 | Ibebusiness | spacebar for mouse |
| 13:25.12 | Ibebusiness | esc for menu |
| 13:25.13 | JademusSreg | You can do diagonal from data, combining values. |
| 13:25.18 | Ibebusiness | ? |
| 13:25.22 | Ibebusiness | I thought that didnt work? |
| 13:25.35 | Ibebusiness | cant run to abilities at the same time kinda thing |
| 13:25.40 | Ibebusiness | two* |
| 13:25.57 | JademusSreg | Ask Bounty when he gets on, I can't be arsed to work on a ugly hybrid system. =D |
| 13:26.12 | Ibebusiness | lol I make gems out of hybrids |
| 13:26.24 | Ibebusiness | my map is like made of 10 other peoples maps |
| 13:26.30 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 13:26.34 | Nash|327 | D_D |
| 13:26.39 | Ibebusiness | Im good at it |
| 13:26.47 | Nash|327 | stealing? |
| 13:26.50 | Ibebusiness | no |
| 13:26.52 | JademusSreg | I mean data wasd, I do not care for the approach. |
| 13:26.52 | Ibebusiness | I dont steal |
| 13:26.59 | Ibebusiness | all the maps were up for grabs |
| 13:27.02 | Ibebusiness | or I asked permission |
| 13:27.15 | Ibebusiness | or were in the deserted bin |
| 13:27.54 | Nash|327 | you stole people's garbage D: |
| 13:27.56 | Ibebusiness | I learned everything i used |
| 13:28.01 | JademusSreg | I think that's neat. |
| 13:28.05 | Ibebusiness | I can tell you any part of any code |
| 13:28.11 | Ibebusiness | tell you what it does and how it works |
| 13:28.18 | Ibebusiness | and how the hell I managed to clean it up |
| 13:28.27 | Ibebusiness | (seriously peoples triggers skills suck) |
| 13:28.33 | JademusSreg | No doubt. |
| 13:28.52 | JademusSreg | I can't look at other people's work, lest my eyes hemorrhage. |
| 13:28.53 | Nash|327 | I've stolen from Helral, Kueken, Obatz etc :P |
| 13:28.59 | Ibebusiness | lol |
| 13:29.18 | Ibebusiness | I learn best with examples in front of me |
| 13:29.23 | Ibebusiness | and I love to figure stuff out |
| 13:29.24 | Nash|327 | I try to do shit myself, but sometimes it's too much of a mindfuck. |
| 13:29.32 | Ibebusiness | tell me about it |
| 13:29.42 | Ibebusiness | my head has been hurting (no lie) for weeks |
| 13:29.46 | Nash|327 | Helral's stuff was very useful for UI layouting. |
| 13:30.00 | Ibebusiness | the funny shit is it hurts as soon as i open my map |
| 13:30.16 | Ibebusiness | like it knows the torture im about to put it through |
| 13:30.17 | Nash|327 | And Kueken made a passive beam aura thingy example. |
| 13:30.21 | Ibebusiness | ? |
| 13:30.23 | JademusSreg | Anyway, you can ask Bounty how he did his data-based wasd when he gets on. |
| 13:30.25 | Ibebusiness | passive? |
| 13:30.30 | Ibebusiness | kk, thanks |
| 13:30.35 | Nash|327 | Well it's an aura. |
| 13:30.35 | Ibebusiness | btw. Small favor? |
| 13:30.48 | Nash|327 | That creates beams between aura caster and targets. |
| 13:30.51 | Ibebusiness | I was wondering if you wanted to run the map in person |
| 13:30.58 | JademusSreg | Sure. |
| 13:30.59 | Ibebusiness | i can send it |
| 13:31.03 | Ibebusiness | or go on bnet |
| 13:31.21 | JademusSreg | Is it private or public? |
| 13:31.23 | Nash|327 | I just need to keep track of who to put in the thanks section somewhere... |
| 13:31.35 | Ibebusiness | public |
| 13:31.38 | Ibebusiness | wip1324 |
| 13:32.11 | Ibebusiness | there is a menu button "?" |
| 13:32.15 | Ibebusiness | or esc key |
| 13:32.24 | Ibebusiness | you can click load and pick a different class |
| 13:32.31 | Ibebusiness | you have to create a class first |
| 13:32.34 | Ibebusiness | banks :) |
| 13:32.37 | Ibebusiness | what a bitch |
| 13:32.54 | JademusSreg | No doubt. |
| 13:32.59 | Nash|327 | http://static.sc2mapster.com/content/attachments/16/952/Screenshot2011-06-06_10_13_54.jpg |
| 13:33.08 | JademusSreg | What sort of security or compression are you implementing, if any? |
| 13:33.13 | Nash|327 | 4 classes out of 9 done :G |
| 13:33.19 | Ibebusiness | none yet |
| 13:33.28 | Ibebusiness | the banks are really small |
| 13:33.40 | Ibebusiness | 10 variables |
| 13:33.53 | Ibebusiness | havnt implemented leveling up or anything |
| 13:34.08 | Ibebusiness | you can make 6 characters |
| 13:34.16 | Ibebusiness | they save automatically |
| 13:34.35 | Ibebusiness | ever saw the wow map? |
| 13:34.42 | Ibebusiness | where you could pick your guy like in wow? |
| 13:34.46 | Ibebusiness | I got that from that map |
| 13:34.58 | Ibebusiness | im still pulling trash code from it |
| 13:35.04 | Ibebusiness | and making it more modular |
| 13:35.13 | Ibebusiness | nash |
| 13:35.17 | Ibebusiness | im jelous |
| 13:35.26 | Ibebusiness | your ui is so much better |
| 13:35.53 | Nash|327 | :G |
| 13:36.14 | Ibebusiness | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/player-zone/map-suggestions-requests/22047-cold-war-global-war-wip-please-review-also-looking/ |
| 13:36.17 | Nash|327 | I love the deploy screen |
| 13:36.25 | Ibebusiness | the youtube vid shows off a bit |
| 13:36.29 | Ibebusiness | deploy? |
| 13:36.37 | JademusSreg | Yup, we see Ryan around here on occassion. |
| 13:36.43 | JademusSreg | Tested it a few times. |
| 13:36.46 | Nash|327 | http://static.sc2mapster.com/content/attachments/16/712/Screenshot2011-05-30_20_47_54.jpg |
| 13:36.59 | Ibebusiness | ryan? |
| 13:37.04 | Ibebusiness | nice pic |
| 13:37.29 | Ibebusiness | tested what? |
| 13:37.35 | JademusSreg | Ryan Win, he made SCU, the map to which I thought you were refering. |
| 13:37.44 | Ibebusiness | no |
| 13:37.45 | JademusSreg | Starcraft like WoW |
| 13:37.50 | Ibebusiness | ah |
| 13:37.54 | Ibebusiness | he abandond |
| 13:37.58 | Ibebusiness | someother website picked it up |
| 13:38.23 | JademusSreg | Shows how much attention I pay. =D |
| 13:38.36 | Ibebusiness | I only wanted the character creation/selection and spell bar |
| 13:38.53 | Ibebusiness | he uploaded his last version and half the stuff was missing |
| 13:39.02 | Ibebusiness | had to find an older one to get the rest of it |
| 13:39.14 | Ibebusiness | then none of it worked together.. it was a mess |
| 13:40.10 | JademusSreg | Hilarious. |
| 13:40.18 | Ibebusiness | so did it lag much? |
| 13:40.20 | Nash|327 | Ui should be rather minimalistic and show only stuff you need. |
| 13:40.22 | Nash|327 | :G |
| 13:40.34 | Ibebusiness | like? |
| 13:40.35 | JademusSreg | I don't really read the forums evah, so it figures I'd miss big news. |
| 13:41.05 | JademusSreg | Yes, the lag was unbearable. Not just latency, but the draw range covered the entire map, it seemed. |
| 13:41.10 | Ibebusiness | the mini map you can hide via menu |
| 13:41.18 | Ibebusiness | oh, I havnt done that yet... |
| 13:41.29 | Nash|327 | I've hidden wireframe, portrait, minimap, whatevs. |
| 13:41.40 | Nash|327 | In town, you see the deploy screen button. |
| 13:41.45 | Nash|327 | So you can join games. |
| 13:41.52 | Ibebusiness | uh... I hid every ui just about |
| 13:42.14 | Nash|327 | In a game, you see party health/energy, and deploy screen is hidden. |
| 13:42.15 | Ibebusiness | the spell bar is small, just along the bottom |
| 13:43.17 | Ibebusiness | well all in all I cant fix the shooting lag, unless.... I used a key to shott |
| 13:43.19 | Ibebusiness | shoot |
| 13:43.26 | Ibebusiness | spacebar... |
| 13:43.31 | Ibebusiness | but that would be weird |
| 13:44.19 | Ibebusiness | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:44.29 | Ibebusiness | outside of starcraft... |
| 13:44.36 | JademusSreg | I opine that FPS in SC2 simply cannot be done in a satisfying way given the terrible latency. I wouldn't discourage anyone else from attempting it. |
| 13:45.16 | Ibebusiness | even if everything was run by data? |
| 13:45.22 | Deaod | yes |
| 13:45.26 | Ibebusiness | fail |
| 13:45.27 | Ibebusiness | lol |
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| 13:45.33 | JademusSreg | Data-based wasd has a technical advantage in that it cuts out a synchronous middle man. |
| 13:45.50 | Kueken | still, not everything is possible in data |
| 13:45.51 | Ibebusiness | but not enough for a good fps still? right? |
| 13:46.01 | Nash|327 | Kuekenface :o |
| 13:46.06 | Nash|327 | I made ZEE BEAMS |
| 13:46.17 | Kueken | and they work? |
| 13:46.27 | Nash|327 | Though I don't apply behavior with persistent |
| 13:46.31 | JademusSreg | That is to say, by not using a trigger to capture key input and resort to using ability hotkeys, which are asynchronous, you cut out the overhead of synchronousing input for event registry for all players. |
| 13:46.35 | Nash|327 | because it was flashing on/off |
| 13:46.45 | Nash|327 | it's applied separately |
| 13:46.50 | JademusSreg | But if you already use keys for other things, there's practically no benefit. =\ |
| 13:47.09 | Nash|327 | But it works after some haxing |
| 13:47.11 | Ibebusiness | but... I can make all keyboard keys abilities |
| 13:47.29 | Ibebusiness | if ability x is used do this |
| 13:47.30 | Kueken | still you cannot detect a mouse click using data |
| 13:47.45 | Kueken | afaik |
| 13:47.52 | Ibebusiness | what if I externally ran a program that when i clicked it pressed a keyboard for me? |
| 13:48.03 | Kueken | xD |
| 13:48.05 | Ibebusiness | then VERY clearly in game state so |
| 13:48.09 | Ibebusiness | and a link to download it? |
| 13:48.15 | Nash|327 | ... |
| 13:48.18 | Ibebusiness | would work? |
| 13:48.23 | Deaod | it COULD |
| 13:48.37 | Ibebusiness | how many people would download it........ |
| 13:48.39 | Kueken | probably not, because you still need the location of the mouse click |
| 13:48.44 | Ibebusiness | no |
| 13:48.48 | Nash|327 | worst hackjob ever D: |
| 13:48.49 | Ibebusiness | center of screen |
| 13:48.51 | Kueken | so you would need additional functions for that |
| 13:48.58 | Ibebusiness | mouse moves camera |
| 13:49.07 | Kueken | that has a delay as well |
| 13:49.12 | Ibebusiness | ? |
| 13:49.19 | Kueken | the camera movement |
| 13:49.24 | Ibebusiness | fuck... |
| 13:49.26 | Ibebusiness | fail... |
| 13:49.47 | Deaod | now you know why noones done it decently |
| 13:49.49 | Ibebusiness | but... |
| 13:49.52 | Kueken | if you want to use external programs, I suggest just using a different engine |
| 13:49.57 | Ibebusiness | I have seen maps fps maps |
| 13:50.04 | Ibebusiness | that have camera movment |
| 13:50.08 | Ibebusiness | and they run perfect.. |
| 13:50.12 | Kueken | fps works sort of in singleplayer |
| 13:50.16 | Ibebusiness | never once did I have a problem |
| 13:50.19 | Ibebusiness | (on bnet) |
| 13:50.35 | Kueken | bnet multiplayer? |
| 13:50.38 | Ibebusiness | yes |
| 13:50.41 | Kueken | with more than 1 player? |
| 13:50.43 | Ibebusiness | actually one of our guys |
| 13:50.49 | Ibebusiness | er... idk |
| 13:50.56 | Nash|327 | People try too hard to make SC2 into something it's not D:! |
| 13:51.09 | Nash|327 | Still an RTS game, and engine is accordingly. |
| 13:51.12 | Ibebusiness | yet blizzard proudly proclaims its fps abilities |
| 13:51.23 | JademusSreg | For Photon Cycles, I catch mouse button input for boosting, and that's it. So the latency isn't so bad on the map. =D |
| 13:51.29 | Kueken | maybe fps will sort of work, if Blizzard decides to improve the key delay, like they promised |
| 13:51.46 | Kueken | will never be good, though |
| 13:51.50 | eXemplar | this may sound like a silly question, but is it possible to have some sort of condition checked when a building is being placed? (ie, I want to have a building that can only be built in water) |
| 13:52.05 | JademusSreg | But for any sophisticated time-sensitive application, it is unacceptable. |
| 13:52.07 | Ibebusiness | im sure there is a flag for that |
| 13:52.14 | Ibebusiness | yea. |
| 13:52.19 | Kueken | for water? |
| 13:52.26 | Ibebusiness | make one? |
| 13:52.29 | Kueken | water is... nothing in sc2 |
| 13:52.35 | Ibebusiness | hmmm |
| 13:52.41 | eXemplar | ya, maybe below a certain level then |
| 13:52.42 | Kueken | purely visual and cannot be detected in any way afaik |
| 13:52.45 | Ibebusiness | im sure units cant jump in water |
| 13:52.48 | JademusSreg | There are a few ways you could do it. |
| 13:52.50 | eXemplar | ie, the level of the water at that point |
| 13:52.58 | Kueken | yes, you need workarounds |
| 13:53.20 | Nash|327 | creep water? |
| 13:53.23 | Kueken | maybe you can utilize the painted pathing? |
| 13:53.36 | JademusSreg | Naw, painted pathing is pretty limited. |
| 13:53.42 | Kueken | dunno if there is unbuildable pathing option or whatever |
| 13:53.44 | eXemplar | yeah, its no building or bust |
| 13:53.53 | JademusSreg | Power source behavior. |
| 13:54.06 | JademusSreg | If you aren't using it for anything else, it's perfect. |
| 13:54.11 | Kueken | can you make it other than circular? |
| 13:54.18 | JademusSreg | Or maybe you can have multiple... |
| 13:54.44 | Nash|327 | invisible collisionless pylons? |
| 13:54.47 | JademusSreg | Anyway, make a unit with the behavior, put a lot of them along the water, boom. |
| 13:54.58 | JademusSreg | Exactly as Nash said, sure. =D |
| 13:54.59 | eXemplar | hmm, power source would be a good idea, but yeah is there any way to make it other than a simple radius around the source? |
| 13:55.05 | JademusSreg | No. |
| 13:55.06 | eXemplar | or would that require a tad more work |
| 13:55.08 | eXemplar | ah |
| 13:55.55 | Kueken | well, make some big ones to cover huge water spaces and some small ones to cover the edges... quite some work |
| 13:56.09 | Ibebusiness | man, jade, I forgoot |
| 13:56.22 | Ibebusiness | to tell you to get rid of the big leader board |
| 13:56.25 | Ibebusiness | press tab |
| 13:56.31 | Nash|327 | creep might be better |
| 13:56.37 | eXemplar | maybe if I made some invisible creep in the water, or something |
| 13:56.48 | Nash|327 | it stops at cliffs right? |
| 13:56.48 | Ibebusiness | I just ran my map on bnet and there is not lag when rotation the cam... |
| 13:56.54 | Ibebusiness | no* |
| 13:57.03 | JademusSreg | Creep might be better if you want shapes, and if you can make it not show visually. |
| 13:57.44 | Nash|327 | Warcraft 2 :o |
| 13:57.45 | Kueken | can you actually paint creep? |
| 13:57.58 | Kueken | I am pretty sure you cant |
| 13:58.00 | Nash|327 | add creep tumors |
| 13:58.07 | JademusSreg | Triggers can. =D |
| 13:58.18 | Kueken | that would be just the same as adding invisible pylons ^^ |
| 13:58.22 | JademusSreg | Exactly. |
| 13:58.33 | Nash|327 | but creep stops at cliffs though? |
| 13:58.40 | JademusSreg | Yup. |
| 13:59.11 | eXemplar | can creep be placed wtihout a source? |
| 13:59.13 | Nash|327 | whereas with pylons you'd need to place them perfectly :G |
| 13:59.19 | Kueken | ya, per trigger it seems |
| 13:59.26 | Kueken | just checked the function |
| 13:59.32 | Kueken | circular as well |
| 13:59.54 | JademusSreg | Ibe, in which region are you? |
| 13:59.54 | Kueken | but you can choose any radius |
| 14:00.21 | Kueken | still, pylons might be easier to handle |
| 14:00.32 | Kueken | because you see their placement in editor |
| 14:01.01 | Kueken | if you spawn creep via script, you need to configure the triggers to make creep matching the water |
| 14:01.19 | JademusSreg | Placing units sounds like less work. |
| 14:01.43 | Kueken | but you would have tons of units on the map |
| 14:01.54 | eXemplar | ah, perm creep on map trigger with big radius might do the trick |
| 14:02.02 | JademusSreg | Depends on the complexity of the water shape. =D |
| 14:02.17 | Kueken | 1 big circular lake! |
| 14:02.20 | eXemplar | haha |
| 14:02.23 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 14:03.33 | JademusSreg | Alright guys, time for me to get serious on this update. I have been slacking like a motherfucker. |
| 14:05.16 | eXemplar | cheers for the help :) |
| 14:11.09 | Nash|327 | I tried making a cliff level validator |
| 14:11.16 | Nash|327 | and adding to barracks build |
| 14:11.19 | Nash|327 | no worky D_D |
| 14:12.50 | Nash|327 | oh well |
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| 14:20.30 | Otixa | rorars |
| 14:21.22 | Nash|327 | No roraring allowed! |
| 14:22.45 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 14:22.47 | Helral|Work | meows |
| 14:23.07 | Nash|327 | I demand a kittun |
| 14:24.44 | Nash|327 | BAG ME A KITTUN OR FACE MY WRATH |
| 14:28.25 | Otixa | Helral, you lazy shelf monkey ¬¬ |
| 14:28.34 | Otixa | hits Helral|Afk with a brick |
| 14:28.49 | Nash|327 | shelf monkey, is that anything like porch monkey? |
| 14:28.58 | Otixa | Not quite |
| 14:31.17 | Nash|327 | Space. The final frontier. |
| 14:31.25 | Nash|327 | CAPTAIN PICARD :G |
| 14:36.12 | Helral|Work | meow? |
| 14:36.47 | Nash|327 | tun |
| 14:55.57 | Mexa_ | Is AX+3IX = B the same as X(A+3I) = B if A, X, I and B are matrices? |
| 14:57.02 | Helral|Work | Mexa: no idea what you mean with matrices, but mathematically that is correct ;p |
| 14:58.26 | Otixa | bares his teeth and snarls |
| 14:59.18 | Nash|327 | Who smells the worst? Otixa or Mexa? |
| 14:59.30 | Mexa_ | Helral, it is not mathematically correct |
| 14:59.33 | Mexa_ | I figured |
| 14:59.40 | Otixa | ~8ball Does Nash smell the worst? |
| 14:59.40 | purl | Negative. |
| 14:59.44 | Otixa | Well, shit |
| 14:59.53 | Mexa_ | AB does not equal BA |
| 15:00.05 | Mexa_ | when being matrixes |
| 15:00.08 | Mexa_ | *c |
| 15:00.17 | Mexa_ | Anyways, I figured it out |
| 15:00.45 | Mexa_ | AX+3IX = (A+3I)X, that's the way I must do it |
| 15:01.38 | Mexa_ | Helral, a matrix is a 2d array of data, more or less |
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| 15:05.51 | Helral|Work | Mexa: hehehe ;p well Mathematically (without them being matrices) it doesn't matter if you write X(A+3I) or (A+3I)X cause it both means: X*(A+3*I) |
| 15:06.59 | Otixa | Can't you just calculate it and compare the results? ;p |
| 15:07.14 | Otixa | It's been a while since I studied linear algebra so eh... ;/ |
| 15:07.20 | Helral|Work | hehehe |
| 15:07.53 | Ibebusiness | Is anyone free for 5 mins? I need to test if there is lag rotating the camera with more than 1 person. |
| 15:08.31 | Helral|Work | I'm off cya later. |
| 15:08.42 | JademusSreg | I am busy ass deep in script. =D |
| 15:08.47 | Ibebusiness | lol |
| 15:08.56 | Nash|327 | ass deep D: |
| 15:09.00 | Ibebusiness | lol |
| 15:09.18 | Otixa | sticks a desoldering pump up JademusSreg's ass |
| 15:09.21 | Otixa | npkk |
| 15:09.24 | Ibebusiness | lol |
| 15:09.46 | JademusSreg | Just the way I like it. |
| 15:09.56 | Ibebusiness | I've forgotten all the *commands |
| 15:10.03 | JademusSreg | pew pews. |
| 15:10.06 | Ibebusiness | like exit message |
| 15:10.13 | Ibebusiness | action |
| 15:10.21 | Ibebusiness | !seen |
| 15:10.26 | Ibebusiness | i think |
| 15:10.41 | Nash|327 | KITTUN OMG BAG I DEMAND ONE RIGHT NOW |
| 15:10.44 | Ibebusiness | whats the term for it so I can look it up |
| 15:10.59 | Nash|327 | Give me kittuns or I destroy you D:! |
| 15:11.24 | Ibebusiness | slaps Kueken around a bit with a large trout |
| 15:11.30 | Ibebusiness | oh... |
| 15:11.33 | Otixa | /me does shit |
| 15:11.35 | Ibebusiness | slaps Nash|327 around a bit with a large trout |
| 15:11.36 | Otixa | ^ |
| 15:11.47 | Ibebusiness | ? |
| 15:11.59 | Nash|327 | My brain may explode. |
| 15:12.03 | Ibebusiness | send me the list of commands slave. |
| 15:12.07 | Ibebusiness | ah |
| 15:12.08 | Ibebusiness | so |
| 15:12.22 | Ibebusiness | /you /me /you |
| 15:12.31 | Ibebusiness | fail |
| 15:12.41 | Otixa | try /quit monitor |
| 15:12.53 | Ibebusiness | er... |
| 15:12.59 | Ibebusiness | not sure I want to log back in again |
| 15:13.16 | Otixa | xD |
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| 15:14.05 | Otixa | :> |
| 15:14.07 | Nash|327 | D_D |
| 15:14.09 | Otixa | pats Ibebusiness |
| 15:14.27 | Otixa | << |
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| 15:15.34 | Nash|327 | wtf |
| 15:15.50 | Vail | hmm |
| 15:16.00 | Otixa | I think I broke him :P |
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| 15:16.15 | Ibebusiness | hmm |
| 15:16.21 | Otixa | You did it wrong somehow |
| 15:16.21 | Ibebusiness | didn't work as planned |
| 15:16.25 | Nash|327 | also why don't people just use /s commands to view/edit command list? |
| 15:16.35 | Ibebusiness | your setting me up |
| 15:16.41 | Ibebusiness | didnt work |
| 15:16.52 | Vail | hmm. |
| 15:17.10 | Otixa | it only works in #2,000 |
| 15:17.16 | Ibebusiness | lol? |
| 15:17.19 | Nash|327 | D:~~ |
| 15:17.57 | Ibebusiness | lol /help brings up mirc help |
| 15:18.07 | Nash|327 | Yes that works too. |
| 15:18.37 | Ibebusiness | ah.. found the list yay |
| 15:18.59 | IamStarcraft | lol |
| 15:19.13 | Otixa | No, I am Starcrafticus |
| 15:19.39 | Nash|327 | I want kittuns. |
| 15:19.55 | Nash|327 | It is your job to supply me. |
| 15:19.56 | IamStarWarKituni | fil |
| 15:19.57 | IamStarWarKituni | fail |
| 15:20.02 | JademusSreg | flail |
| 15:20.09 | IamStarWarKituni | it is my job to supply you |
| 15:20.28 | IamStarWarKituni | Presents dead kitten to nash |
| 15:20.43 | Nash|327 | D_D |
| 15:20.47 | IamStarWarKituni | you didnt say alive or dead |
| 15:20.47 | Otixa | Ahh, collateral damage |
| 15:20.56 | Otixa | chews on the corpse |
| 15:20.59 | eXemplar | is this #kittenhuffersanonymous ? |
| 15:21.01 | IamStarWarKituni | lol |
| 15:21.27 | Nash|327 | Kittuns are huggable. |
| 15:21.32 | KittenHater | hatecrime being committed |
| 15:21.53 | Nash|327 | When the kittun revolution comes you will be first up against the wall. |
| 15:21.55 | Ibebusiness | well that was fun |
| 15:22.00 | Nash|327 | You and all your ilk. |
| 15:22.04 | Ibebusiness | there is no wall |
| 15:22.19 | Ibebusiness | Give nash kitty porn so he shuts up |
| 15:22.33 | Nash|327 | D_D |
| 15:22.34 | Ibebusiness | :P |
| 15:23.05 | Nash|327 | Kittun porn is for kittuns. |
| 15:23.21 | Nash|327 | I want a bagged kittun. |
| 15:24.53 | NashMeister|1337 | :D |
| 15:24.56 | NashMeister|1337 | owned |
| 15:25.26 | Nash|327 | They say imitation is the greatest form of flattery, |
| 15:25.30 | Nash|327 | :G~~ |
| 15:26.24 | NashMeister|1337 | If its even imitation or your twisted mentality thinking its flattery. |
| 15:26.47 | Nash|327 | I don't really care. |
| 15:27.06 | NashMeister|1337 | Nash cares very much. |
| 15:27.30 | fail | hmm |
| 15:27.36 | Otixa | chuckles |
| 15:27.59 | Nash|327 | Otixa smells. |
| 15:28.00 | Guest98246 | nice |
| 15:28.10 | Otixa | sniffs himself |
| 15:28.15 | Otixa | Kinda |
| 15:28.34 | NothingWrongWith | fail |
| 15:28.36 | NothingWrongWith | damn |
| 15:28.48 | LordAbyss | anyone use the kindle/nook? |
| 15:28.53 | NothingWrongWith | my sis |
| 15:29.29 | NothingWrongWith | pretty cool, you turn off the screen and it looks like its still on |
| 15:29.37 | LordAbyss | any suggestions? it is inconvenient to carry around this 800+ page books. |
| 15:29.58 | Otixa | LordAbyss, get a netbook ;p |
| 15:30.01 | NothingWrongWith | my sis has the kindle, and its cool. You can read it out in the sun |
| 15:30.09 | NothingWrongWith | the battery lasts forever |
| 15:30.16 | Otixa | Or a decent phone |
| 15:30.18 | NothingWrongWith | and amazon i think is where you download the books |
| 15:30.19 | Otixa | HTC HD7 |
| 15:30.28 | NothingWrongWith | hail htc |
| 15:30.34 | LordAbyss | eh |
| 15:30.36 | NothingWrongWith | htc hero was nice |
| 15:30.38 | LordAbyss | i have t-mobile |
| 15:30.42 | NothingWrongWith | me 2 |
| 15:30.47 | LordAbyss | and i am wanting to upgrade from my blackberry curve |
| 15:30.49 | LordAbyss | at some point |
| 15:30.51 | LordAbyss | lol |
| 15:30.51 | NothingWrongWith | htc works with tmobile |
| 15:31.03 | NothingWrongWith | just get an sim version |
| 15:31.10 | NothingWrongWith | a* |
| 15:31.25 | Otixa | I got an unlock code for mine =p |
| 15:31.50 | Nash|327 | THC |
| 15:32.01 | Otixa | No, you stoner ;p |
| 15:32.06 | LordAbyss | pardon my ignorance but which OS does htc use? |
| 15:32.15 | Otixa | Generally Android |
| 15:32.19 | NothingWrongWith | lol |
| 15:32.23 | Otixa | But HD7 runs on Windows Phone 7 |
| 15:32.36 | NothingWrongWith | some can run both |
| 15:32.41 | LordAbyss | ive had 2 cell phones over like 6-7 years |
| 15:32.49 | LordAbyss | a razor and a blackberry curve |
| 15:32.50 | LordAbyss | lol |
| 15:32.53 | Otixa | You're doing it wrong somehow ;p |
| 15:32.53 | NothingWrongWith | ew |
| 15:33.10 | LordAbyss | i spend my money on computer parts |
| 15:33.12 | LordAbyss | ;) |
| 15:33.14 | NothingWrongWith | well off to play marine arena |
| 15:33.19 | Nash|327 | I have an Ericsson thingy. |
| 15:33.24 | Otixa | strokes his Alienware M15 |
| 15:33.25 | Otixa | :3 |
| 15:33.32 | Nash|327 | Smart phones are pointless. |
| 15:33.35 | Otixa | I like tech ;D |
| 15:33.39 | LordAbyss | and college tuition |
| 15:33.45 | Nash|327 | I like things I have a use for. |
| 15:33.48 | Nash|327 | And KITTUNS |
| 15:33.58 | Ibebusiness | Smiles knowing his hp dv7 kicks that M15 around |
| 15:34.08 | Otixa | You lie |
| 15:34.12 | Nash|327 | BIGGER E-PENIS |
| 15:34.17 | Ibebusiness | close enough |
| 15:34.20 | Ibebusiness | its upgraded |
| 15:34.34 | Ibebusiness | better than most laptops |
| 15:34.38 | JademusSreg | Smart phones are only a good investment if they enable you to be more productive and, in turn, acquire more income. |
| 15:34.50 | Otixa | i7 Q820, 8GB DDR3, nV GTX260 |
| 15:34.51 | Otixa | :> |
| 15:34.58 | Ibebusiness | sweet |
| 15:35.00 | Nash|327 | I have a computer. |
| 15:35.08 | Nash|327 | I don't need a tiny, crappy computer. |
| 15:35.10 | Nash|327 | D_D |
| 15:35.11 | Otixa | It goes VROOM VROOOOOM |
| 15:35.20 | Ibebusiness | dual core 2.13ghz 8mb cache, nvidia with 512mb ram |
| 15:35.21 | Ibebusiness | 4gb |
| 15:35.31 | Ibebusiness | ram |
| 15:35.36 | JademusSreg | I agree with the sentiment Nash. =D |
| 15:35.42 | Otixa | not exactly kicking the M15's ass :P |
| 15:35.48 | Ibebusiness | lol |
| 15:35.57 | Nash|327 | I use my phone to talk to people and listen to music. |
| 15:35.58 | Ibebusiness | it take me 200$ to put an i7 in |
| 15:36.03 | Ibebusiness | takes* |
| 15:36.07 | LordAbyss | zzzz almost all new phones require a contract |
| 15:36.12 | LordAbyss | it is not like i am going to use it |
| 15:36.25 | Otixa | LordAbyss, point was that you can use it to read ebooks |
| 15:37.10 | LordAbyss | eh, i don't want to read off of that tiny screen, i like the was the kindle is in that regard |
| 15:37.23 | Otixa | Well, get a netbook then |
| 15:37.26 | Nash|327 | I like the was the kittuns. |
| 15:37.38 | Otixa | They're pretty handy |
| 15:37.45 | Otixa | Don't go for Acer tho |
| 15:37.49 | Otixa | They tend to be shit |
| 15:37.50 | Otixa | ¬¬ |
| 15:38.06 | Otixa | Actually, there's that new Asus tablet thing |
| 15:38.13 | Otixa | It looked pretty fucking sweet |
| 15:38.26 | Otixa | Runs windoze7 afaik |
| 15:39.22 | Otixa | http://www.asustablet.com/asus/windows-7/ |
| 15:39.24 | Otixa | ^ thar |
| 15:40.33 | LordAbyss | lol 20% of the cost is the OS |
| 15:41.56 | Otixa | Get it with Android, then install your own windoze |
| 15:41.58 | Otixa | coughs |
| 15:42.08 | Otixa | Anyhoo, gonna go get dinner or something |
| 15:42.15 | LordAbyss | lol |
| 15:42.18 | LordAbyss | it is morning where i am |
| 15:42.28 | Otixa | 18:42 here :P |
| 15:42.36 | LordAbyss | 8:43 |
| 15:42.39 | Otixa | anyway, hungry D:< |
| 15:42.41 | Otixa | runs off |
| 15:42.42 | LordAbyss | peace |
| 15:43.01 | Nash|327 | Otixa kills people with his horrible smell. |
| 15:43.35 | LordAbyss | i have been told to wait a few years before getting an ipad type item since the tech is evolving rapidly |
| 15:44.56 | Nash|327 | I'm waiting until I have an actual use for it. |
| 15:45.29 | LordAbyss | but tbh i just want something that i can read books on that is not the size of a weight you find at the gym |
| 15:46.16 | Nash|327 | read books on your computer |
| 15:50.26 | *** join/#sc2mapster Dresnia (~Miranda@94-225-205-79.access.telenet.be) |
| 15:50.37 | Dresnia | Blizzard is considering a SC MMORPG |
| 15:50.39 | Dresnia | Woot ? |
| 15:50.42 | Nash|327 | ew |
| 15:50.54 | Dresnia | I'm all up for Titan |
| 15:50.57 | LordAbyss | ew |
| 15:50.59 | Dresnia | but SC2 MMO just sounds.. |
| 15:51.06 | LordAbyss | i want sc2 to stay rts |
| 15:51.15 | prencher | Dresnia: in other shocking news they are also considering a diablo mmo, a lost vikings mmo, and an mmo for every other game they have ever made |
| 15:51.18 | Dresnia | Well Warcraft is still a RTS aswell |
| 15:51.32 | Dresnia | Yes but they are actually talking about the SC2 mmo |
| 15:51.43 | Dresnia | They state it would be stupid not to do it |
| 15:51.46 | Dresnia | Since WoW is old |
| 15:51.49 | Nash|327 | I'm sure they talk about a lot of things. |
| 15:51.51 | Dresnia | and SC2MMO mod is awesome |
| 15:51.54 | Dresnia | or whatever |
| 15:51.57 | LordAbyss | remember ghost? |
| 15:52.06 | Dresnia | Yeah, my wallpaper |
| 15:52.07 | Dresnia | :D |
| 15:52.57 | Nash|327 | More vaporware. |
| 15:53.10 | Dresnia | Anyways, TITAN makes me curious. |
| 15:53.16 | Dresnia | What would it be like you know.. |
| 15:53.55 | Nash|327 | terrible grind and running around half the time? |
| 15:53.58 | Nash|327 | Like WoW? |
| 15:54.05 | Dresnia | terrible ? |
| 15:54.15 | Dresnia | 1-85 + full heroic epix is like what |
| 15:54.17 | Dresnia | 5days played |
| 15:54.19 | Dresnia | aka 1 week |
| 15:54.26 | Nash|327 | ...no |
| 15:54.47 | Dresnia | Trust me, I always been top 3 first max level/geared on releases :P |
| 15:54.55 | Dresnia | The grind is a bitch if you don't go hardcore |
| 15:55.02 | Dresnia | But if you do its easy |
| 15:55.34 | Nash|327 | Took me a while to get to 60 D_D |
| 15:55.36 | Dresnia | Altho I must admit, WoW release 1-60 was.. |
| 15:55.38 | Dresnia | Yeah |
| 15:55.42 | Nash|327 | And then there's raid grind. |
| 15:55.45 | Dresnia | But after that, it was easyer and easyer |
| 15:55.51 | Dresnia | Yeah but that was fun ! |
| 15:55.52 | Nash|327 | Grind for resist gear, |
| 15:56.00 | Dresnia | T0.5 / T1 grind + resistance etc |
| 15:56.05 | Dresnia | Yeah, awesome isn't it ? |
| 15:56.06 | JademusSreg | Evidence, Dres? |
| 15:56.15 | Dresnia | Now it takes 2 weeks for same spot |
| 15:56.18 | Dresnia | Evidence on what |
| 15:56.25 | JademusSreg | SC MMO |
| 15:56.25 | Nash|327 | GRIND GRIND GRIND |
| 15:56.33 | Dresnia | It's a dutch gaming website |
| 15:56.50 | JademusSreg | That's fine, link. |
| 15:56.57 | Nash|327 | AND ALL THE FUCKING RUNNING AROUND |
| 15:57.01 | Dresnia | http://www.insidegamer.nl/pc/starcraft-ii-wings-of-liberty/nieuws/36656/StarCraft-II-MMO-te-lucratief-om-niet-te-doen.html |
| 15:57.07 | Dresnia | wait ! |
| 15:57.10 | Dresnia | http://www.vg247.com/2011/06/06/starcraft-mmo-likely-thanks-to-world-of-starcraft-mod-popularity/ |
| 15:57.15 | Dresnia | english source |
| 15:57.34 | Dresnia | http://www.gamefront.com/starcraft-2-heart-of-the-swarm-insider-insights-on-release-dates-new-units-mmo/ |
| 15:57.58 | Dresnia | Ofcourse, as someone already mentioned.. Blizzard could be bluffing or so. |
| 15:58.03 | Dresnia | Anyways food&dinner for me now ! |
| 15:58.35 | JademusSreg | Cool. |
| 15:59.01 | JademusSreg | Anyway, unless it had the things I want, I'd play it for about a month (or 3) then stop. |
| 15:59.23 | JademusSreg | I'd just want to run around, see the lore, then stop, |
| 15:59.27 | Dresnia | Yea, but would be 3months of awesomness |
| 15:59.28 | JademusSreg | like I did with WoW. |
| 15:59.40 | Dresnia | Food's on table, cya guys ! |
| 15:59.41 | Dresnia | < afk |
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| 16:04.03 | Nash|327 | Bag me a kittun or be destroyed by moles. |
| 16:07.48 | Otixa | http://staffsgamesacademy.tumblr.com/post/6251062492?ref=nf |
| 16:07.49 | Otixa | :D |
| 16:09.04 | LordAbyss | how was dinner? |
| 16:09.52 | Otixa | was alright ;p |
| 16:10.00 | *** join/#sc2mapster peeeq (~Peter@178-26-119-169-dynip.superkabel.de) |
| 16:10.11 | Otixa | had some meat leftover from the picnic |
| 16:10.21 | Otixa | fried it with onions and potatos |
| 16:10.21 | LordAbyss | since you are all into this tablet stuff, i was told to wait a little before buying an ipad like thing since tech is evolving fairly quickly |
| 16:10.23 | Otixa | :> |
| 16:10.27 | Nash|327 | meat is murder |
| 16:10.35 | Otixa | I'm pro-murder |
| 16:10.55 | SpiderDave | meat is not murder; that implies a legal situation |
| 16:11.01 | Nash|327 | I'm pro-murder if the victim is you. |
| 16:13.09 | Nash|327 | Don't eat animals, eat Otixa. |
| 16:13.14 | Nash|327 | :G~~ |
| 16:13.15 | LordAbyss | ^^ |
| 16:13.28 | Otixa | You'd choke ;P |
| 16:14.10 | JademusSreg | Otixia is a vegetable. =D |
| 16:14.23 | JademusSreg | Oh shit, I spelled it wrong, I guess. |
| 16:14.35 | Nash|327 | Certainly has the IQ of one. |
| 16:14.36 | Nash|327 | D_D |
| 16:15.39 | Otixa | Stop reflecting ;p |
| 16:15.45 | LordAbyss | don't worry otixa |
| 16:15.49 | LordAbyss | you are still smarter then sixen |
| 16:16.08 | Otixa | chuckles |
| 16:16.29 | Nash|327 | Otixa is about as smart as a carrot. |
| 16:16.29 | Otixa | Oh ye |
| 16:16.37 | Otixa | ModCraft Season2 soon-ish ;> |
| 16:17.14 | Otixa | We'll be using UDK tho ;P |
| 16:17.36 | LordAbyss | i am soooo out of practice with the editor |
| 16:17.38 | JademusSreg | Is it modding if you're using a development kit? |
| 16:18.00 | JademusSreg | I mean, at that point, it's just game devleopment. =D |
| 16:18.13 | Nash|327 | still modding |
| 16:18.41 | Nash|327 | if it requires another game D_D |
| 16:18.56 | Otixa | JademusSreg, well, yeah. But renaming the show would suck ;p |
| 16:19.20 | Otixa | UDK isn't a game, nub ;p |
| 16:19.45 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 16:20.01 | Nash|327 | Are you saying you have the rights to use the engine? |
| 16:20.02 | Nash|327 | D_D |
| 16:20.32 | JademusSreg | Yeah. |
| 16:20.34 | Otixa | Ye |
| 16:20.45 | Otixa | There are terms tho |
| 16:20.47 | JademusSreg | I've got the UDK as well. |
| 16:20.50 | Nash|327 | Doesn't that cost a lot? |
| 16:20.53 | Nash|327 | :G |
| 16:20.55 | JademusSreg | Naw. |
| 16:20.58 | Otixa | It's free |
| 16:21.00 | JademusSreg | Not exactly. |
| 16:21.04 | Otixa | But, as I said, there are terms |
| 16:21.11 | JademusSreg | They take a cut after 50k in profit. |
| 16:21.19 | Otixa | If you make X profit you have to give Y% to Epic Games |
| 16:21.26 | Nash|327 | Ah. |
| 16:21.36 | Nash|327 | Well then it is game development. |
| 16:21.47 | Dresnia | But isn't UDK just Unreal Enginge tho' |
| 16:21.54 | Dresnia | So it's not like 1 2 3 bam game made right |
| 16:22.04 | Otixa | Ye |
| 16:22.06 | Dresnia | Or does it come with editor stuff too ? |
| 16:22.16 | Otixa | Well, it has some stock assets and crap |
| 16:22.26 | Otixa | But you prolly won't find any use for them |
| 16:22.31 | Otixa | Except maybe the skyboxes |
| 16:22.36 | Dresnia | But basicly you need to have some serious coders / modelers / animators etc |
| 16:22.38 | Otixa | And some particle stuff |
| 16:22.49 | Otixa | Yeh |
| 16:22.54 | Nash|327 | I'm more used to the UDK requiring the game to play your mod. |
| 16:23.02 | Otixa | Most of the stuff is fairly easy tho |
| 16:23.09 | Nash|327 | But I guess they changed that. |
| 16:23.26 | Dresnia | Well I asume it's a rather old enginge aswell |
| 16:23.27 | Otixa | UDK != Unreal |
| 16:23.28 | Otixa | ;p |
| 16:23.37 | Dresnia | So Diablo 3 getting on PS3 perhaps |
| 16:23.58 | Otixa | It's just UnrealEngine3 with some basic crap you can use |
| 16:24.00 | LordAbyss | hmm that would be interesting |
| 16:24.07 | Otixa | D3 on console? :/ |
| 16:24.14 | Dresnia | Yea |
| 16:24.25 | Dresnia | Blizzard opend a job oppertunity thingy on official website |
| 16:24.27 | Otixa | I'm not sure I like the idea : |
| 16:24.27 | Nash|327 | Well a lot of UT2004 mods required the game, and Source SDK requires owning a Source game. |
| 16:24.27 | LordAbyss | better then starcraft on a console lol |
| 16:24.29 | Otixa | :\ |
| 16:24.30 | Dresnia | a PS3 geek for D3 team |
| 16:24.30 | Nash|327 | :G |
| 16:24.44 | Dresnia | Don't you guys read the geek news sites ? :( |
| 16:24.49 | Otixa | UT2004 was UE1 or 2 |
| 16:24.52 | Otixa | 2, I think |
| 16:25.09 | Otixa | I've been ignoring my RSS :B |
| 16:25.19 | Nash|327 | I don't read geek news, no. |
| 16:25.20 | LordAbyss | http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/careers/posting.html?id=1100059 |
| 16:25.20 | Dresnia | http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/careers/posting.html?id=1100059 |
| 16:25.24 | LordAbyss | lol |
| 16:25.24 | Nash|327 | Or any kind of news. |
| 16:25.25 | LordAbyss | i win |
| 16:25.28 | Dresnia | :D |
| 16:25.41 | Otixa | xD |
| 16:25.47 | Dresnia | Right, shower. |
| 16:25.54 | Dresnia | Gaming career starts in 20mins (lols) |
| 16:26.21 | LordAbyss | to bad i don't think my career choice will land me a job at blizzard |
| 16:26.40 | Otixa | Mine might :P |
| 16:26.51 | LordAbyss | EE here |
| 16:26.55 | Nash|327 | I wouldn't want to work at Blizzard. |
| 16:27.01 | Otixa | Doing BCs Computer Games Design & Programming atm |
| 16:27.14 | Otixa | Then I'm off to Gnomon :D |
| 16:54.18 | Dresnia | badumtish ! |
| 16:54.24 | Dresnia | So, what's everyone up to |
| 16:54.56 | Nash|327 | kittunbag |
| 16:55.04 | Nash|327 | finished Marine today |
| 16:55.08 | Nash|327 | added some more anims |
| 16:55.17 | Nash|327 | like a Sacrifice beam |
| 16:55.20 | Dresnia | Cool cool |
| 16:55.22 | Dresnia | 5 left ? |
| 16:55.23 | JademusSreg | Working on Photon Cycles. |
| 16:55.28 | Dresnia | AMAZING |
| 16:55.32 | Dresnia | Oh, is MGL done yet ? |
| 16:55.33 | Nash|327 | I should upload to dropbox |
| 16:55.35 | Dresnia | If so, who won |
| 16:55.54 | Dresnia | or MLG lol |
| 16:56.13 | Nash|327 | so you can go mess around with the anims and skills :G |
| 16:56.17 | JademusSreg | MLG ended yesterday. |
| 16:56.23 | Dresnia | Who won ? |
| 16:56.29 | JademusSreg | Dunno. |
| 16:56.30 | Dresnia | Thorzain ? July ? MC ? Naniwa ? |
| 16:56.32 | Dresnia | oh |
| 16:56.35 | Nash|327 | careface |
| 16:56.46 | JademusSreg | I turned it off after the terrible Idra vs MC set. |
| 16:56.52 | Nash|327 | Careface always wins. |
| 16:56.55 | Dresnia | Yeah that one sucked balls |
| 16:57.06 | JademusSreg | Because 3 of the 4 games were complete bullshit. They can both fuck off. |
| 16:57.09 | Ibebusiness | fail. Whenever I think I have a good strat for marine arena I get owned |
| 16:57.37 | JademusSreg | What is a marine arena? |
| 16:57.39 | Dresnia | Naniwa won it |
| 16:57.41 | Ibebusiness | lol |
| 16:57.45 | Ibebusiness | bnet game |
| 16:58.12 | JademusSreg | Sounds like I would hate it. |
| 16:58.24 | Dresnia | It's footmen |
| 16:58.25 | Ibebusiness | footman wars ring a bell? |
| 16:58.44 | JademusSreg | Doubleplus hate |
| 16:58.49 | Nash|327 | MADNESS? |
| 16:58.51 | Dresnia | It's just another map that we all have better ones laying around in our trashcan |
| 16:59.02 | Dresnia | Yet they camp page 1.. |
| 16:59.11 | Dresnia | Desert Strike 1338 the 1337 series |
| 16:59.16 | Ibebusiness | this is actually a really good one |
| 16:59.16 | Nash|327 | people like shit |
| 16:59.18 | Dresnia | aka nexus wars all over again.. |
| 16:59.51 | Ibebusiness | you get heros, and merc and your regular maines |
| 17:00.01 | Ibebusiness | you can upgrade armor, health, weapons |
| 17:00.03 | Dresnia | Oh, SlayersMMA won |
| 17:00.07 | Dresnia | I'm confuse |
| 17:00.07 | Dresnia | d |
| 17:00.13 | JademusSreg | Most of the custom games exist to cater to people who don't have the mettle for highly competitive play. |
| 17:00.18 | Dresnia | Ibebusiness : yeah a 2hour work map |
| 17:00.19 | Ibebusiness | use specials, like destroy all merc building |
| 17:00.28 | Ibebusiness | uh |
| 17:00.30 | Ibebusiness | no |
| 17:00.32 | Ibebusiness | hell no |
| 17:00.36 | Dresnia | I played it (once) |
| 17:00.39 | JademusSreg | So it's no surprise mindless games dominate the list. =D |
| 17:00.42 | Nash|327 | I don't want competitive play. |
| 17:00.52 | Nash|327 | But I don't want shitty maps either. |
| 17:00.55 | Ibebusiness | seriously requires skill |
| 17:01.00 | Dresnia | wtf |
| 17:01.04 | Ibebusiness | but whatever to each his own |
| 17:01.05 | Dresnia | how can a auto spawn based game |
| 17:01.07 | Dresnia | take skill |
| 17:01.07 | Dresnia | :p |
| 17:01.09 | Nash|327 | Coop > PvP |
| 17:01.13 | JademusSreg | pew pew |
| 17:01.16 | Ibebusiness | its not completly auto spawn |
| 17:01.19 | Otixa | http://bp0.blogger.com/_DLeG8x1l9dw/R__OZ0Pg0RI/AAAAAAAAAEA/jHWmi9gPqm0/s1600-h/L298.jpg |
| 17:01.20 | Otixa | =p |
| 17:01.24 | Ibebusiness | more kills, is more money |
| 17:01.24 | Dresnia | it is mostly. |
| 17:01.28 | Ibebusiness | is more upgrades |
| 17:01.30 | Ibebusiness | is win |
| 17:01.34 | Ibebusiness | or better heros |
| 17:01.35 | Dresnia | yeah so you buy more spawning buildings / hero |
| 17:01.38 | Ibebusiness | better levels of merchs |
| 17:01.40 | Ibebusiness | mercs |
| 17:01.45 | Ibebusiness | you have dt's |
| 17:01.45 | JademusSreg | Anyway, Nash, I can also appreciate a great PvE / single player game if it is awesome. |
| 17:01.47 | Ibebusiness | ht's |
| 17:01.50 | Dresnia | Otixa : whatsup with that picture ? |
| 17:01.59 | JademusSreg | Final Fantasy Tactics, for example. =D |
| 17:02.00 | Otixa | H-bridge :P |
| 17:02.28 | Dresnia | Looks like a standard motor connection ish with a fancy touch :P |
| 17:02.28 | Otixa | Trying to come up with a way to wire it to the helicopter without setting shit on fire again |
| 17:02.31 | Nash|327 | Alien Swarm was fun. |
| 17:02.45 | Ibebusiness | never played |
| 17:02.45 | Nash|327 | Too bad it's fucking dead now. |
| 17:03.01 | Ibebusiness | just join the game and let it run over night |
| 17:03.02 | Otixa | Actually |
| 17:03.10 | Otixa | Dresnia, you any good at electronics? :P |
| 17:03.13 | Ibebusiness | 8 hours should put it near the top few pages |
| 17:03.19 | Dresnia | I'm a electrician yeah |
| 17:03.24 | Otixa | ;D |
| 17:03.28 | Dresnia | But engines aint my part |
| 17:03.28 | Otixa | rubs hands together |
| 17:03.34 | Dresnia | I'm a IT electrician |
| 17:03.41 | Otixa | Close enuff |
| 17:03.50 | Dresnia | I wire/connect 'switch houses' acros belgium |
| 17:03.55 | Dresnia | so we can all surf |
| 17:03.58 | Dresnia | how cool is that lol |
| 17:04.00 | Nash|327 | Dresnia should I fix the test map so we can play? |
| 17:04.10 | Dresnia | Nash|327 : would be fun |
| 17:04.16 | Dresnia | I'm a bit *frozen* for now anyways |
| 17:04.16 | Otixa | Right, we're trying to control 2 motors with a bunch of BT151s |
| 17:04.21 | Otixa | But the problem is |
| 17:04.27 | Otixa | I send HIGH to the gate |
| 17:04.29 | Otixa | And it works |
| 17:04.32 | Nash|327 | no hero selection though |
| 17:04.38 | Otixa | But when I switch it back to LOW it keeps going |
| 17:04.38 | Dresnia | DC or AC ? I asume DC on a RC Helicopter ? |
| 17:04.40 | Nash|327 | so hardcoded classes |
| 17:04.42 | Otixa | What's up with that? |
| 17:04.45 | Otixa | DC yeh |
| 17:04.52 | Dresnia | Nash sure |
| 17:05.00 | Nash|327 | what class do you want? |
| 17:05.05 | Dresnia | Guardian ! |
| 17:05.10 | Nash|327 | kek |
| 17:05.14 | Dresnia | to the gate erm.. you mean the 'speed control' ? |
| 17:05.21 | Ibebusiness | lol |
| 17:05.26 | Otixa | Noe, they're just motors |
| 17:05.27 | Ibebusiness | think transisor |
| 17:05.33 | Ibebusiness | ? |
| 17:05.33 | Otixa | We're using BT151 thyristors to control the flow |
| 17:05.41 | Otixa | But... |
| 17:05.46 | Otixa | 1. They get REALLY hot |
| 17:05.50 | Otixa | 2. They don't switch off |
| 17:05.50 | Otixa | ;/ |
| 17:05.54 | Otixa | any ideas? |
| 17:05.56 | Dresnia | I really got no clue on that stuff :P |
| 17:06.03 | Ibebusiness | are they supposed to switch off? |
| 17:06.10 | Otixa | Obviously yeh |
| 17:06.15 | Otixa | an kk Dresnia :< |
| 17:06.21 | Dresnia | And why won't they shut off then |
| 17:06.28 | Otixa | Fuck knows |
| 17:06.33 | Ibebusiness | I mean like they may control the flow continously... |
| 17:06.36 | Ibebusiness | ill check |
| 17:06.38 | Otixa | I think it has to do with the load |
| 17:06.39 | Dresnia | I don't like the layout on your plan you linked |
| 17:06.49 | Dresnia | It doesn't give any overvieuw for me =( |
| 17:06.56 | Otixa | Since when we try using a 200mA input |
| 17:06.58 | Otixa | Shit works fine |
| 17:07.06 | Otixa | But with the 1300mAh battery |
| 17:07.10 | Otixa | Shit gets really weird |
| 17:07.12 | Otixa | And hot |
| 17:07.15 | Otixa | And then fire |
| 17:07.17 | Otixa | << |
| 17:07.26 | Ibebusiness | what kind of modulation are you running? |
| 17:07.31 | Ibebusiness | I see pulses... |
| 17:07.31 | Dresnia | Can't you nerf the 1300 |
| 17:07.45 | Otixa | Dresnia, then the motors are too slow to fly :P |
| 17:08.02 | Dresnia | I mean a temporary nerf |
| 17:08.03 | Ibebusiness | http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CDwQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nxp.com%2Fdocuments%2Fdata_sheet%2FBT151_SERIES_C.pdf&rct=j&q=%20BT151%20thyristors%20&ei=KgntTeTDB-jL0QH03v2mAQ&usg=AFQjCNEK0SIbSmmTwqd-rDlXP2eh8nfCFg&sig2=oMEytgvjx-gWWfYs1iyPxw&cad=rja |
| 17:08.05 | Dresnia | with reistors |
| 17:08.06 | Otixa | Ibebusiness, tried just plain HIGH/LOW, then tried like 200/20/10/15 pulses |
| 17:08.09 | Otixa | Still nothing |
| 17:08.22 | Ibebusiness | link for pdf file |
| 17:08.22 | Otixa | Dresnia, yeh, same result |
| 17:08.41 | Otixa | I even broke out the big guns(5W 22Ohm resistors) and they were still slow as shit |
| 17:08.43 | Otixa | :| |
| 17:08.46 | Otixa | 22Ohm* |
| 17:08.49 | Otixa | er |
| 17:08.51 | Otixa | 22 Ohm |
| 17:08.59 | Otixa | looked like 220 << |
| 17:09.02 | Otixa | coughs |
| 17:09.07 | Ibebusiness | "high blocking voltage" sure they are supposed to turn off? |
| 17:09.19 | Otixa | Pretty sure |
| 17:09.22 | Ibebusiness | kk |
| 17:09.25 | Otixa | They turn off when the current is low |
| 17:09.27 | Ibebusiness | ill keep reading |
| 17:09.34 | Otixa | I already read that btw |
| 17:09.48 | Otixa | But yeh |
| 17:09.55 | Otixa | At low current everything works just fine |
| 17:09.57 | Dresnia | Anyways sorry I couldn't help you :P I did a bit of 3fased motors in school but ever since that never seen/touched/discussed on again really |
| 17:10.00 | Ibebusiness | clear as day "used for motor control" |
| 17:10.03 | Ibebusiness | lol |
| 17:10.08 | Otixa | And they're supposed to handle shit over 2A |
| 17:10.23 | Dresnia | Aint you getting more then 2A ? |
| 17:10.30 | Dresnia | Low voltage + DC = big A |
| 17:10.37 | Ibebusiness | 12amps max at 800c |
| 17:10.42 | Otixa | ^ |
| 17:10.52 | Dresnia | 12amps is 6A ? |
| 17:10.57 | Otixa | There's no way in hell we're pulling that much with a 1300mAh battery :P |
| 17:10.58 | Dresnia | 6 x 2A that is |
| 17:10.59 | Dresnia | ;P |
| 17:11.27 | Dresnia | well it's voltage x power usage |
| 17:11.27 | Otixa | 12A is 12A >> |
| 17:11.44 | Otixa | Hrm |
| 17:11.54 | Ibebusiness | thats 1.3 amps |
| 17:11.54 | Otixa | Well, it's 4V |
| 17:11.56 | Ibebusiness | should be good |
| 17:12.08 | Dresnia | Yeah so you say it can max pull 2A, and you can max provide 12A ? |
| 17:12.10 | Dresnia | I'm confused |
| 17:12.14 | Dresnia | okay coolios than |
| 17:12.28 | Otixa | Shit is annoying :( |
| 17:13.00 | Dresnia | But what get's really hot |
| 17:13.00 | Otixa | Hopefully the Hbridge will work ;/ |
| 17:13.02 | Dresnia | your enginge ? |
| 17:13.06 | Dresnia | engine* |
| 17:13.08 | Dresnia | or w/e |
| 17:13.09 | Otixa | The thyristors |
| 17:13.14 | Dresnia | ah |
| 17:13.22 | Otixa | Like |
| 17:13.24 | Otixa | REALLY hot |
| 17:13.25 | Dresnia | Go pro like I do |
| 17:13.29 | Dresnia | nitro boosted RC car |
| 17:13.32 | Otixa | XD |
| 17:13.33 | Dresnia | and drift rl cars and /lol |
| 17:13.34 | Dresnia | ^^ |
| 17:13.39 | Dresnia | drag* even |
| 17:13.40 | Otixa | lol |
| 17:13.46 | Dresnia | then end up running under a real car wheel |
| 17:13.48 | Otixa | I want a heli tho :P |
| 17:13.53 | Dresnia | and see 1200€ squashed to the ground |
| 17:13.58 | Dresnia | and cry in little boy tears |
| 17:13.59 | Dresnia | >_> |
| 17:14.24 | Dresnia | yeah heli's are cool nowadays for some reason |
| 17:14.31 | Dresnia | I got a 'local rc' club for air stuff |
| 17:14.36 | Otixa | Heli + wireless camera + a servo with a cardboard hand + flying up to someone's window doing /wave = epic |
| 17:14.37 | Otixa | XD |
| 17:14.39 | Ibebusiness | damn there are 4 ways to turn that thing on |
| 17:14.41 | Dresnia | pritty sweet to see a tiny f16 land |
| 17:15.17 | Otixa | Ibebusiness, we tried pretty much everything |
| 17:15.25 | Otixa | Even tried using a pot to control the gate |
| 17:15.29 | Otixa | Still didn't do shit |
| 17:15.35 | Nash|327 | test map now? |
| 17:15.37 | Dresnia | Can't you post it on a forums about it ? |
| 17:15.42 | Dresnia | Nash skype ? |
| 17:15.52 | Otixa | I will if the Hbridge doesn't work ;/ |
| 17:16.06 | Nash|327 | kek |
| 17:16.23 | Ibebusiness | yea, your gate should be taking the "commands" |
| 17:16.38 | Dresnia | is kek a yes or no :p |
| 17:16.58 | Otixa | sighs |
| 17:17.07 | Ibebusiness | A thyristor turns off by a mechanism known as ’natural |
| 17:17.07 | Ibebusiness | turn-off’, that is, when the main anode-cathode current |
| 17:17.07 | Ibebusiness | drops below the holding value. It is important to remember, |
| 17:17.07 | Ibebusiness | however, that the thyristor will turn on again if the reapplied |
| 17:17.07 | Ibebusiness | forward voltage occurs before a minimum time period has |
| 17:17.08 | Ibebusiness | elapsed; this is because the charge carriers in the thyristor |
| 17:17.08 | Ibebusiness | at the time of turn-off take a finite time to recombine. |
| 17:17.09 | Ibebusiness | Thyristor turn-off is achieved by two main methods - self |
| 17:17.09 | Ibebusiness | commutation or external commutation. |
| 17:17.38 | Ibebusiness | whatever that means. Thats your answer I would hope. |
| 17:17.39 | Otixa | Hmm ;/ |
| 17:17.41 | Nash|327 | kekeke |
| 17:17.47 | Nash|327 | I am on skype and in lobby |
| 17:17.57 | Otixa | "when the main anode-cathode current drops below the holding value" |
| 17:17.58 | Dresnia | your not on skype :o |
| 17:18.07 | Otixa | I think that may be the problem ¬¬ |
| 17:18.22 | Dresnia | k logging |
| 17:18.25 | Dresnia | and calling |
| 17:18.31 | Otixa | Still, I'm pretty sure it's not supposed to get THAT hot |
| 17:18.40 | Otixa | shrugs |
| 17:18.46 | Ibebusiness | well, you do have it on heat sinks right? |
| 17:18.46 | Otixa | Well, thanks for the help ;D |
| 17:18.49 | Ibebusiness | big ones? |
| 17:18.54 | Ibebusiness | np |
| 17:18.54 | Otixa | No wtf ;o |
| 17:19.01 | Otixa | It's tthis tiny little thing |
| 17:19.09 | Ibebusiness | how big is the motor? |
| 17:19.16 | Ibebusiness | put a small heat sink on it |
| 17:19.24 | Ibebusiness | just a small piece of allumi |
| 17:19.26 | Otixa | It's not the motors that overheat |
| 17:19.33 | Otixa | And eh |
| 17:19.38 | Otixa | I guess I could try that |
| 17:19.39 | Ibebusiness | just wondering how big a motor your driving with that thing |
| 17:19.49 | Otixa | It's a small RC heli motor |
| 17:19.51 | Otixa | like... |
| 17:20.00 | Otixa | 2cm x 3cm x 1.5 cm |
| 17:20.11 | Ibebusiness | 1300mah would cause concern for a small heat sink... |
| 17:20.35 | Otixa | Well, the original battery was 1000 |
| 17:20.47 | Ibebusiness | but anyways, I hope that post above gives you a hint on how to turn it off |
| 17:20.52 | Otixa | So it shouldn't make THAT much of a difference |
| 17:20.59 | Ibebusiness | no |
| 17:21.44 | Ibebusiness | Turn-off time |
| 17:21.44 | Ibebusiness | Turn-off time is the interval between the instant when |
| 17:21.44 | Ibebusiness | thyristor current reverses and the point at which the thyristor |
| 17:21.44 | Ibebusiness | can block reapplied forward voltage (t1 to t4 in Fig. 13). If |
| 17:21.45 | Ibebusiness | forward voltage is applied to a thyristor too soon after the |
| 17:21.45 | Ibebusiness | main current has ceased to flow, the thyristor will turn on. |
| 17:21.47 | Otixa | Eh, I dunno. I'll try the Hbridge tomorrow |
| 17:21.51 | Otixa | And if that fails |
| 17:21.55 | Otixa | Well, dunnno then =p |
| 17:22.00 | Otixa | Off to the forums, I guess |
| 17:22.14 | Ibebusiness | lol |
| 17:22.31 | Ibebusiness | not my specialty :) |
| 17:22.36 | Otixa | shrugs |
| 17:22.41 | Otixa | Needs more testing :P |
| 17:23.51 | Ibebusiness | it doesnt work by pulse |
| 17:23.55 | Ibebusiness | it works by on off |
| 17:23.58 | Ibebusiness | if that makes sence |
| 17:24.02 | Ibebusiness | on off on off |
| 17:24.08 | Ibebusiness | the rate controls the power output |
| 17:24.08 | Otixa | Yeh, we tried that |
| 17:24.12 | Ibebusiness | fuck... |
| 17:24.13 | Ibebusiness | lol |
| 17:24.13 | Ibebusiness | kk |
| 17:24.23 | Otixa | We tried variable delays |
| 17:24.28 | Ibebusiness | but you said you cant turn it off |
| 17:24.30 | Otixa | Even made a really clever schematic |
| 17:24.38 | Ibebusiness | so maybe you gotta figure out that out first |
| 17:24.41 | Ibebusiness | before on off work? |
| 17:24.49 | Otixa | Where the voltage output of a potentiometer is read by an Arduino which then increases/decreases the delay |
| 17:25.07 | Otixa | Well, it does work |
| 17:25.14 | Otixa | It turns off on low current shit |
| 17:25.24 | Otixa | We tried hooking up a LED to it |
| 17:25.30 | Otixa | And it worked fine |
| 17:25.51 | Ibebusiness | hmmm... |
| 17:25.58 | Otixa | Problem is that if we hook up ANY resistor to it |
| 17:26.01 | Otixa | It's too slow to fly |
| 17:26.02 | Otixa | :| |
| 17:26.11 | Otixa | We even tried a fucking 10 Ohm one... |
| 17:26.14 | Ibebusiness | Phase control |
| 17:26.14 | Ibebusiness | Phase control circuits are used for low power applications |
| 17:26.14 | Ibebusiness | such as lamp control or universal motor speed control, |
| 17:26.14 | Ibebusiness | where RFI emissions can be filtered relatively easily. The |
| 17:26.14 | Ibebusiness | power delivered to the load is controlled by the timing of |
| 17:26.14 | Ibebusiness | the thyristor (or triac) turn-on point. |
| 17:26.15 | Ibebusiness | The two most common phase controller configurations are |
| 17:26.15 | Ibebusiness | ’half wave control’, where the controlling device is a single |
| 17:26.16 | Ibebusiness | thyristor and ’full wave control’, where the controlling device |
| 17:26.16 | Ibebusiness | is a triac or a pair of anti-parallel thyristors. These two |
| 17:26.17 | Ibebusiness | control strategies are considered in more detail below: |
| 17:26.44 | Ibebusiness | half wave control |
| 17:26.52 | Ibebusiness | since you have one tri |
| 17:26.56 | Otixa | Yeh |
| 17:27.29 | Ibebusiness | tried that huh? |
| 17:27.36 | Otixa | nods |
| 17:27.36 | Ibebusiness | damn |
| 17:27.40 | Otixa | Tried pretty much everything |
| 17:27.43 | Otixa | :/ |
| 17:27.47 | Otixa | Fuck it |
| 17:27.51 | Otixa | I'll try tomorrow |
| 17:28.05 | Otixa | I have a feeling that it's the triac itself |
| 17:28.10 | Otixa | Need a different model or summat |
| 17:28.14 | Ibebusiness | pulses of alternating current |
| 17:28.16 | Otixa | Tho... |
| 17:28.19 | Ibebusiness | try that? |
| 17:28.23 | Otixa | If the Hbridge works, I'll just use that |
| 17:28.33 | Otixa | Can't do that with a microcontroller |
| 17:28.45 | Otixa | Not without having 3785623875 additional things to go with it |
| 17:28.51 | Otixa | So it kinda defeats the purpose |
| 17:28.58 | *** join/#sc2mapster SirDemon (~Alma@line-19036.dyn.kponet.fi) |
| 17:29.01 | Otixa | It needs to still be light enough to fly =p |
| 17:29.35 | Ibebusiness | The circuit waveforms for a phase controller with an |
| 17:29.36 | Ibebusiness | inductive load or an active load (for example, a motor) are |
| 17:29.36 | Ibebusiness | more complex than those for a purely resistive load. The |
| 17:29.36 | Ibebusiness | circuit waveforms depend on the load power factor (which |
| 17:29.36 | Ibebusiness | may be variable) as well as the triggering angle. |
| 17:29.49 | Ibebusiness | your led is resist |
| 17:29.54 | Ibebusiness | your motor is induct |
| 17:29.56 | Ibebusiness | so... |
| 17:30.08 | Ibebusiness | led works = no point... |
| 17:30.17 | Otixa | I see your point :P |
| 17:30.41 | Otixa | Neh, fuck it |
| 17:30.45 | Ibebusiness | This problem can be avoided by using a trigger pulse train |
| 17:30.45 | Otixa | I'll just wait |
| 17:30.46 | Ibebusiness | as shown in Fig. 8. The triac triggers on the first gate pulse |
| 17:30.46 | Ibebusiness | after the load current has reached the latching current IL in |
| 17:30.46 | Ibebusiness | the 3+ quadrant. The trigger pulse train must cease before |
| 17:30.46 | Ibebusiness | the mains voltage passes through zero otherwise the triac |
| 17:30.46 | Ibebusiness | will continue to conduct in the reverse direction. |
| 17:30.48 | Ibebusiness | k im done |
| 17:31.11 | Otixa | Oh |
| 17:31.15 | Ibebusiness | BTW, i know shit about electronics |
| 17:31.16 | Otixa | That's not the case here tho |
| 17:31.30 | Ibebusiness | I just have a good understanding of any material put before me |
| 17:31.39 | Otixa | It doesn't reverse the voltage as we put in diodes everywhere we could cram one in =p |
| 17:31.41 | Ibebusiness | and I used to take apart electronics a lot |
| 17:31.54 | Ibebusiness | yea... |
| 17:32.01 | Ibebusiness | go on some rc forum |
| 17:32.04 | Ibebusiness | ask them how they do it |
| 17:32.09 | Otixa | Might have to :P |
| 17:32.19 | Otixa | Tho, I'll wait to see if the Hbridge fixes things |
| 17:32.28 | Ibebusiness | kk |
| 17:32.31 | Otixa | It's specifically designed to control motors |
| 17:32.38 | Otixa | So if that doesn't do it... |
| 17:32.40 | Otixa | ...Well, fuck |
| 17:33.10 | Otixa | Now to work on my CV :/ |
| 17:35.27 | Ibebusiness | http://tinypic.com/r/5vu9v7/7 |
| 17:35.34 | Ibebusiness | last shot, a diagram |
| 17:35.39 | Ibebusiness | top left one... |
| 17:35.46 | Ibebusiness | top right |
| 17:35.47 | Ibebusiness | sorry |
| 17:36.03 | Dresnia | oh u logged msn |
| 17:36.04 | Dresnia | :( |
| 17:36.25 | Nash|327 | :G |
| 17:36.27 | Nash|327 | it's alive |
| 17:36.39 | Nash|327 | shit works |
| 17:36.48 | Otixa | Hmm |
| 17:36.59 | Otixa | Gonna try that later, thanks ;D |
| 17:37.03 | Ibebusiness | :) |
| 17:37.18 | Otixa | Looks kinda overengineered tho :P |
| 17:37.24 | Nash|327 | need to nerf enemies to half or something |
| 17:37.30 | Otixa | But if it works, then meh |
| 17:37.47 | Ibebusiness | lol |
| 17:38.03 | Ibebusiness | Idk what that second tri is... |
| 17:38.06 | Ibebusiness | but im sure you do |
| 17:38.11 | Vail | did the last patch break veterancy for anyone else? |
| 17:38.40 | Ibebusiness | if I have to ask what veterancy is does that mean i failed the test? |
| 17:38.46 | Nash|327 | yes |
| 17:38.51 | Ibebusiness | kk |
| 17:38.54 | Otixa | xD |
| 17:38.58 | Nash|327 | and my veterancy works fine |
| 17:39.00 | Otixa | It's the XP gain thing afaik |
| 17:39.03 | Ibebusiness | doesn't ask stupid question |
| 17:39.26 | Nash|327 | but I don't use XP gain |
| 17:40.17 | Vail | my heros wont recieve exp |
| 17:40.23 | Otixa | Need some sort of swirly pattern |
| 17:40.24 | Ibebusiness | hey otixa quick ? if you know it. Is it possible to move camera via mouse, without lag on bnet? |
| 17:41.00 | Otixa | Ibebusiness, I haven't done any SC2 modding in over a year :P Don't know about lag, but I know how you can move it |
| 17:41.31 | Otixa | Since just before I left, they added GetMousePositionX() and Y |
| 17:41.44 | Otixa | So you can use that and feed it into CameraLookAt() |
| 17:41.58 | Otixa | ^ not sure about the actual name of the fun there, but you get the idea |
| 17:42.07 | Otixa | SHOULD be fairly quick |
| 17:42.20 | Otixa | So don't think it'd lag players up |
| 17:43.18 | Ibebusiness | already did |
| 17:43.28 | Ibebusiness | and it doesnt lag one player on bnet |
| 17:43.44 | Ibebusiness | but vail said it lags... |
| 17:43.50 | Ibebusiness | with 2 or more |
| 17:43.58 | Otixa | Hrm ;/ |
| 17:44.11 | Ibebusiness | I am using data for all my moving, and shooting |
| 17:44.13 | Vail | i said what lags? |
| 17:44.14 | Ibebusiness | FPS |
| 17:44.24 | Ibebusiness | mouse look camera move trigger |
| 17:44.39 | Otixa | I can think of another solution |
| 17:44.41 | Vail | er i never said anything like that but i think it used to.. |
| 17:44.55 | Otixa | What you can do |
| 17:45.03 | Otixa | Which is less intensive on CPU/bandwidth |
| 17:45.13 | Otixa | Is have an invisible unit for each player |
| 17:45.20 | Otixa | The camera follows said unit |
| 17:45.41 | Otixa | Then, every 1sec or so, you tell the unit to move to the cursor position |
| 17:46.03 | Otixa | It's kinda shitty, but it should work |
| 17:46.07 | Ibebusiness | whats wrong with telling the camera to go the the cursor position...? |
| 17:46.13 | Ibebusiness | (thats what I have right now) |
| 17:46.23 | Otixa | Since it calls it every cycle |
| 17:46.35 | Otixa | Even if the cursor han't moved |
| 17:46.38 | Ibebusiness | oh |
| 17:46.42 | Ibebusiness | I already have that. |
| 17:46.50 | Otixa | s/han/hasn/ |
| 17:46.53 | Ibebusiness | I turn off the trigger if mouse hasnt moved |
| 17:47.06 | Otixa | But if it moves |
| 17:47.14 | Otixa | It still calls it every cycle |
| 17:47.25 | Ibebusiness | so would a invisi unit... |
| 17:47.25 | Otixa | Which is overkill, and bogs up the CPU/bandwidth |
| 17:47.42 | Ibebusiness | oh shit |
| 17:47.44 | Ibebusiness | I get it now |
| 17:47.49 | Otixa | While if you use a unit |
| 17:47.50 | Ibebusiness | camera will always follow |
| 17:47.55 | Otixa | You don't call cameramove all the time |
| 17:47.57 | Ibebusiness | without triggers running |
| 17:48.02 | Otixa | You just tell it to follow the unit ONCE |
| 17:48.02 | Ibebusiness | sweet... |
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| 17:48.08 | Ibebusiness | but... |
| 17:48.12 | Otixa | And you tell the unit to move every 1sec or so |
| 17:48.16 | Ibebusiness | you still have to tell the unit to move... |
| 17:48.22 | *** mode/#sc2mapster [+o nicoli_s] by ChanServ |
| 17:48.25 | Ibebusiness | hmmm |
| 17:48.28 | Otixa | Yeh, but you don't have to tell it to move all the time |
| 17:48.33 | Otixa | You can introduce a delay |
| 17:48.37 | Ibebusiness | cant |
| 17:48.38 | Ibebusiness | FPS |
| 17:48.40 | Otixa | Which would be barely noticable |
| 17:48.44 | Ibebusiness | has to be real time... |
| 17:48.45 | Otixa | Hmm |
| 17:48.52 | Ibebusiness | But the camera I have works |
| 17:48.58 | Ibebusiness | and doenst kill the cpu... |
| 17:49.05 | Ibebusiness | and works one player on bnet |
| 17:49.07 | Otixa | Well, a 20ms delay wouldn't really be noticable to the player |
| 17:49.16 | Otixa | but it would make a HUGE difference to the computer |
| 17:49.19 | Ibebusiness | just someone told me 2player wont work. |
| 17:49.53 | Ibebusiness | can you jump in with me for 2 minutes to test? |
| 17:49.55 | Otixa | shrugs |
| 17:50.01 | Otixa | I'm EU :P |
| 17:50.09 | Ibebusiness | lulz |
| 17:50.10 | Ibebusiness | kk |
| 17:50.25 | Vail | why wont my heros gain xp |
| 17:50.32 | Ibebusiness | Well ill find a buddy online sometime and test, if it doesnt work invisi unit here I come |
| 17:50.51 | Ibebusiness | I will have full fps with very minor lag. |
| 17:51.06 | Otixa | Seriously tho |
| 17:51.11 | Otixa | Just have the delay as a variable |
| 17:51.15 | Otixa | And tweak it |
| 17:51.27 | Otixa | 10ms will not be noticable in any way |
| 17:51.37 | Otixa | Unless like progamers |
| 17:51.50 | Otixa | 20ms should be generally fine |
| 17:52.02 | Otixa | Hell, you can even include it as setting somewhere |
| 17:52.02 | Otixa | ;p |
| 17:52.07 | Ibebusiness | lol |
| 17:52.28 | Ibebusiness | everyone will shrink it low as possible for "1337"ness |
| 17:52.39 | Otixa | And suddenly, LAG! |
| 17:52.41 | Otixa | :D |
| 17:52.43 | Ibebusiness | lol |
| 17:52.48 | Ibebusiness | I hope not. |
| 17:52.50 | Otixa | Altho |
| 17:53.00 | Otixa | Even if the delay is 1ms |
| 17:53.08 | Otixa | It should still have a big impart on performance |
| 17:53.13 | Otixa | impact* |
| 17:53.29 | Otixa | 1ms is a LOT of time in CPU world :D |
| 17:53.37 | Ibebusiness | So make camera follow unit |
| 17:53.45 | Ibebusiness | move unit every x amount of time.. |
| 17:53.57 | Otixa | yup |
| 17:54.03 | Otixa | Pretty simple, no? :P |
| 17:54.11 | Ibebusiness | I think I can convert my wasd into that |
| 17:54.17 | Ibebusiness | is commands the unit to move. |
| 17:54.20 | Ibebusiness | quite smooth |
| 17:54.29 | Otixa | scratches chin |
| 17:54.34 | Ibebusiness | no |
| 17:54.34 | Otixa | Actually |
| 17:54.41 | Ibebusiness | just the command move, and the math. |
| 17:54.55 | Otixa | Wasn't there a way to set up a camera for a third person view of a unit? |
| 17:55.04 | Ibebusiness | portrait? |
| 17:55.18 | Otixa | shrugs |
| 17:55.30 | Otixa | I remember doing something so that the camera follows a unit |
| 17:55.34 | Ibebusiness | but then the camera faces unit |
| 17:55.39 | Ibebusiness | and you have to move unit |
| 17:55.39 | Otixa | And you rotate it using the unit as a pivot |
| 17:55.49 | Otixa | But if you zoom it real close |
| 17:55.56 | Ibebusiness | how would I rotate? |
| 17:55.56 | Otixa | Set the camera height to unit head's height |
| 17:56.04 | Otixa | and make the unit invisible to the controlling player |
| 17:56.16 | Ibebusiness | has to be done by mouse still |
| 17:56.26 | Otixa | well, you rotate the camera with the mouse |
| 17:56.32 | Otixa | It's built into the function |
| 17:56.39 | Ibebusiness | er... |
| 17:56.44 | Otixa | And you don't really need the unit to exactly face that angle, do you? |
| 17:56.57 | Otixa | Just use the aiming tangent as an angle and update that |
| 17:57.05 | Otixa | shrugs |
| 17:57.16 | Otixa | Actually, that has different issues |
| 17:57.18 | Otixa | nvm ._. |
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| 17:57.27 | Otixa | kicks Bibendus |
| 17:57.35 | Bibendus | dodges |
| 17:57.42 | Otixa | Been a while, nub ;P |
| 17:58.12 | Ibebusiness | I seem to have only native functions controling the camera lol |
| 17:58.14 | Ibebusiness | stupid me |
| 17:58.25 | Ibebusiness | "relative" mode |
| 17:58.27 | Otixa | Well, if you can get the camera yaw |
| 17:58.43 | Otixa | yaw was rotation around Z(up), right? |
| 17:58.45 | Ibebusiness | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:58.45 | Ibebusiness | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:58.45 | Ibebusiness | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:58.45 | Ibebusiness | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:58.45 | Ibebusiness | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:58.46 | Ibebusiness | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:58.46 | Ibebusiness | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:58.47 | Ibebusiness | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:58.58 | Otixa | You can just use that to update the unit's facing every now and then |
| 17:59.08 | Ibebusiness | already got that :P |
| 17:59.24 | Otixa | So just do the camera follow thing |
| 17:59.27 | Ibebusiness | that is a seperate trigger. but it lags. |
| 17:59.27 | Otixa | for third person |
| 17:59.37 | Otixa | and so that the camera rotates with the mouse |
| 17:59.54 | Otixa | There's a native function for that somewhere |
| 17:59.54 | Ibebusiness | your looking at it |
| 18:00.05 | Otixa | Eh, dunno then :/ |
| 18:00.06 | Ibebusiness | the relative mode |
| 18:00.11 | Ibebusiness | and rotation |
| 18:00.28 | Ibebusiness | anyways. this should work. I just need to convince people to download an app |
| 18:00.31 | Ibebusiness | to play the map |
| 18:00.33 | Ibebusiness | "P |
| 18:00.38 | Otixa | lol, why? XD |
| 18:00.53 | Ibebusiness | I have figured how to bypass the mouse click delay |
| 18:01.05 | Ibebusiness | by binding the mouse click to a keyboard key |
| 18:01.07 | Vail | well this sucks |
| 18:01.11 | Ibebusiness | that the app presses for you |
| 18:01.22 | Ibebusiness | mouse click = keyboard press |
| 18:01.23 | Otixa | That sounds way too hacky :P |
| 18:01.25 | Ibebusiness | no |
| 18:01.37 | Ibebusiness | autohotkey |
| 18:01.41 | Ibebusiness | free |
| 18:01.54 | Ibebusiness | and I will provide a very small executable |
| 18:02.01 | Ibebusiness | just double click and play the game |
| 18:02.10 | Ibebusiness | I will put in a on off hotkey |
| 18:02.12 | Otixa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0DeIqJm4vM |
| 18:02.18 | Ibebusiness | ? |
| 18:02.24 | Otixa | Unrelated :P |
| 18:03.10 | Ibebusiness | lol |
| 18:03.20 | Otixa | Anyway, try the unit thing |
| 18:03.22 | Otixa | might work |
| 18:03.59 | Vail | yeah ... my heros wont gain exp no matter what ... |
| 18:04.00 | Ibebusiness | lol that song |
| 18:06.59 | Ibebusiness | playing it again |
| 18:07.06 | Otixa | xD |
| 18:07.08 | Ibebusiness | vail |
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| 18:07.13 | Otixa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLnWf1sQkjY |
| 18:07.15 | Vail | yes? |
| 18:07.22 | Otixa | Older than interweb, but still |
| 18:07.22 | Ibebusiness | how r u storing xp? |
| 18:07.39 | Vail | with the vertancy behavior... |
| 18:07.44 | Ibebusiness | ive seen that |
| 18:07.56 | Ibebusiness | damn not familar with that at all.... |
| 18:08.05 | Ibebusiness | how does it work? |
| 18:08.05 | Vail | what do you mean by store exactly? |
| 18:08.16 | Ibebusiness | how are xp point awarded? |
| 18:08.20 | Ibebusiness | kills? |
| 18:08.25 | Vail | by kill ... |
| 18:08.33 | Ibebusiness | the behavior.. how would you recal xp? |
| 18:08.41 | Vail | recall? |
| 18:08.45 | Ibebusiness | ot ive seen that before |
| 18:10.10 | Ibebusiness | how do you know the xp of a unit? |
| 18:10.49 | Ibebusiness | do you have a test map you can send? |
| 18:11.02 | Vail | the behavior creates a bar that fills as the unit gains exp... and its based on a mod... |
| 18:11.20 | Ibebusiness | does the mod have triggers? |
| 18:11.26 | Ibebusiness | (no i guess) |
| 18:11.30 | Vail | nope |
| 18:11.45 | Ibebusiness | so data creates the bar? |
| 18:11.51 | Vail | yes |
| 18:12.12 | Ibebusiness | is this a mod I can download? |
| 18:12.15 | Ibebusiness | opensource? |
| 18:12.21 | Ibebusiness | dont wanna intrude |
| 18:12.30 | Ibebusiness | but ill try to figure it out |
| 18:13.06 | Ibebusiness | kinda cant guess... lol |
| 18:13.06 | Vail | i am going to test somethings to see if it my vetterancy or something in the last patch because before the last patch it was working |
| 18:13.22 | Ibebusiness | patch... as in blizzard |
| 18:13.33 | Vail | yes. |
| 18:13.34 | Ibebusiness | if you have an older map saved with it try it |
| 18:13.46 | Ibebusiness | thats what I always do |
| 18:13.57 | Vail | it doesnt matter what map i try |
| 18:14.13 | Ibebusiness | so the mod is broken... needs to be updated |
| 18:14.16 | Vail | and no older mods work either... |
| 18:14.20 | Vail | nod. |
| 18:14.29 | Ibebusiness | lol |
| 18:14.40 | Ibebusiness | want me to look at it? |
| 18:15.03 | Vail | no thanks i was more wondering if any one had similar issues with the same method. |
| 18:15.25 | Ibebusiness | how can they unless they have the mod? |
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| 18:17.46 | Vail | the behavior is standard in sc2 |
| 18:18.12 | Ibebusiness | are you dying units set to give xp? |
| 18:18.22 | Vail | yes |
| 18:18.31 | Ibebusiness | and are your kills being awarded to the unit? |
| 18:18.38 | Vail | yep |
| 18:18.50 | Ibebusiness | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/tutorials/284-xml-heros-level-and-xp/?page=2#p25 |
| 18:18.56 | Ibebusiness | i take it you already looke dat this? |
| 18:19.51 | Ibebusiness | and have you removed and xp levels from the behavior? |
| 18:20.05 | Ibebusiness | there is a known bug about that |
| 18:20.05 | Ibebusiness | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/editor-bugs-and-feedback/2336-data-behavior-removing-indexes-from-veterancy-levels/#p1 |
| 18:21.59 | Vail | no i havent |
| 18:22.21 | Vail | and no vet behavior will accept exp even one created out side of the mod |
| 18:23.10 | Nash|327 | WHY DOES TYCHUS GRENADE NOT WORK ON COLOSSUS |
| 18:23.42 | Nash|327 | do they count as Air? |
| 18:24.30 | Nash|327 | probably |
| 18:25.56 | Nash|327 | yup, that was it |
| 18:26.52 | Vail | i think blizz broke veterancy ... |
| 18:27.02 | LordAbyss | a grenade is a grenade it should blow up everything |
| 18:27.14 | LordAbyss | even that annoying pigeon in the sky |
| 18:27.52 | Dresnia | youtube > Happy Together by 'Filter' |
| 18:27.53 | Dresnia | man. |
| 18:29.19 | Dresnia | altho lonely soul by UNKLE also still goes deep ! |
| 18:29.26 | Ibebusiness | got a lead |
| 18:29.39 | Ibebusiness | player 1 (me) kills. I get kills. No xp |
| 18:29.44 | Ibebusiness | player 7 computer |
| 18:29.49 | Ibebusiness | gets kills AND xp |
| 18:30.06 | Ibebusiness | just threw a bunch of marines together dog fight |
| 18:30.13 | Ibebusiness | and watch player 7 get xp |
| 18:30.19 | Ibebusiness | but not my units |
| 18:30.24 | Ibebusiness | they both got kills |
| 18:30.53 | Ibebusiness | ill figure it out... |
| 18:31.32 | Vail | hmm |
| 18:31.53 | Vail | i think its just a bug but if you figure it out i will be very greatful |
| 18:32.10 | Nash|327 | TESTAGE! |
| 18:35.13 | Nash|327 | anyone want to test hero survival ;G |
| 18:35.49 | Dresnia | JademusSreg got a EU acco ? ;P |
| 18:36.26 | Ibebusiness | odd |
| 18:36.29 | Dresnia | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/general/team-recruitment/22302-need-helpers-for-this/#p1 |
| 18:36.32 | Ibebusiness | I change player properties |
| 18:36.32 | Dresnia | try reading that |
| 18:36.33 | Dresnia | :/ |
| 18:36.41 | Ibebusiness | I went as player 7 and computer as 1 |
| 18:36.45 | Ibebusiness | and NO one got xp.... |
| 18:36.52 | Ibebusiness | so... hmmmk |
| 18:37.15 | Dresnia | maybe it's a setting that only a AI can recieve it |
| 18:37.18 | Dresnia | and not a player |
| 18:38.15 | Ibebusiness | when i set player 1 back to me and player 7 back to computer no one got xp... |
| 18:39.02 | Ibebusiness | and the hero icons are all purple |
| 18:39.07 | Ibebusiness | since the first switch |
| 18:39.25 | Ibebusiness | i love a challenge |
| 18:40.31 | Dresnia | Why is everyone so on about Skyrim |
| 18:40.41 | Dresnia | I might need to pirate that sometime when it's up ! |
| 18:40.55 | Dresnia | It better not be as bugged out as Hunted >_> |
| 18:46.24 | Ibebusiness | taking the ability off and back on fixes hero portraits.. |
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| 18:54.07 | Dresnia | http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-2011-tomb-raider/714827?type=flv |
| 18:54.10 | Dresnia | OH MY FUCKING GOD |
| 18:54.15 | Dresnia | That's just WOAH |
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| 19:09.16 | Dresnia | http://www.playboy.com/articles/jo-garcia-dungeon-siege-3-dungeon-tour/index.html?cm_sp=WEBHP-_-MSPTP05-_-jo-garcia-dungeon-siege-3-dungeon-tour |
| 19:09.18 | Dresnia | lol ? |
| 19:09.21 | Dresnia | PLAYBOY |
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| 19:16.03 | Triceron | Ahoy! |
| 19:16.05 | *** join/#sc2mapster slightlyrandom (~random@62.66.252.177) |
| 19:16.49 | Triceron | I got a Q - can you use all tilesets in one map? Like if I have a map that has lava region, grassy areas, purply areas and industrial areas |
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| 19:19.35 | Vail | hm |
| 19:20.49 | slightlyrandom | Pretty sure you can only have a set number of tiles |
| 19:21.07 | slightlyrandom | Customized tileset, yes, but not all of it |
| 19:21.21 | slightlyrandom | You might be able to paint it as doodads or something, though |
| 19:21.24 | slightlyrandom | Or I might be plain wrong |
| 19:23.06 | Ibebusiness | 8 terrain only... |
| 19:23.09 | Ibebusiness | so what slight said |
| 19:23.21 | Ibebusiness | and v im still working on it, was busy for sec |
| 19:33.11 | Triceron | hmm |
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| 19:38.56 | Vail | nod |
| 19:50.50 | Ibebusiness | grr |
| 19:58.19 | Ibebusiness | getting somewhere |
| 19:58.45 | Ibebusiness | if player 7 is set to none, instead of computer xp works for player 7 |
| 19:58.58 | Ibebusiness | but if set to computer it doesnt work |
| 20:02.08 | Ibebusiness | if player 7 is set to user... it works |
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| 20:07.15 | Ibebusiness | s> grr |
| 20:07.15 | Ibebusiness | <Ibebusiness> getting somewhere |
| 20:07.15 | Ibebusiness | <Ibebusiness> if player 7 is set to none, instead of computer xp works for player 7 |
| 20:07.15 | Ibebusiness | <Ibebusiness> but if set to computer it doesnt work |
| 20:07.15 | Ibebusiness | <Ibebusiness> if player 7 is set to user... it works |
| 20:09.18 | Ibebusiness | got it working vail |
| 20:09.30 | Vail | how?? |
| 20:09.33 | Ibebusiness | well |
| 20:09.36 | Ibebusiness | I made a new map |
| 20:09.45 | Ibebusiness | DELETED the mele triggers |
| 20:09.54 | Ibebusiness | (the defeat causes your units to not get xp) |
| 20:10.00 | Vail | AH |
| 20:10.04 | Ibebusiness | and created my marine |
| 20:10.11 | Ibebusiness | made him a hero |
| 20:10.17 | Ibebusiness | made my behavior |
| 20:10.19 | Ibebusiness | added levels |
| 20:10.26 | Ibebusiness | added behavior |
| 20:10.30 | Ibebusiness | and done |
| 20:10.39 | Ibebusiness | took forever |
| 20:10.42 | Ibebusiness | so uh |
| 20:10.48 | Ibebusiness | you were playing with mele triggers? |
| 20:10.56 | Ibebusiness | meele |
| 20:10.58 | Ibebusiness | melle |
| 20:10.59 | Ibebusiness | fuck |
| 20:11.05 | Vail | i am soo used to it working with them on that i never thought they could be the cause |
| 20:11.10 | Ibebusiness | :) |
| 20:11.13 | Ibebusiness | your welcome |
| 20:11.19 | Ibebusiness | I like to give back |
| 20:11.31 | Ibebusiness | so |
| 20:11.37 | Ibebusiness | I thought you had been working on a map |
| 20:11.48 | Ibebusiness | I figured you wouldnt have meele triggers... |
| 20:13.14 | Ibebusiness | slaps Bibendus around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:13.32 | Ibebusiness | slaps Vail around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:13.36 | Ibebusiness | slaps Vail around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:13.50 | Vail | i was using a test map |
| 20:14.05 | Vail | to check things... i never had to delete them before to get it to work |
| 20:14.05 | Ibebusiness | hmm. you said other maps you used didnt work? |
| 20:14.19 | Vail | ah that one .... |
| 20:14.23 | Ibebusiness | plus a test map i downloaded didnt work either |
| 20:14.31 | Vail | yea it may be my triggers there as well |
| 20:14.44 | Ibebusiness | well just delete all triggers test it |
| 20:14.47 | Ibebusiness | and if it works |
| 20:14.51 | Vail | i will check them .... |
| 20:14.54 | Ibebusiness | undo delete and get to work figuring it out |
| 20:15.11 | Ibebusiness | if not, I would delete your behaviors, units using them |
| 20:15.15 | Ibebusiness | and redo them... |
| 20:15.21 | Ibebusiness | after that im out of ideas |
| 20:15.33 | Ibebusiness | I learned a new thing. So cool |
| 20:17.00 | Vail | what did you learn? |
| 20:17.59 | Ibebusiness | hero leveling |
| 20:18.15 | Ibebusiness | will work great in my map... ability wise... |
| 20:18.33 | Ibebusiness | I think I can get a units xp properties, and save it in the bank |
| 20:18.49 | Vail | ah |
| 20:18.53 | Ibebusiness | that way leveling will be data mostly. less triggers |
| 20:19.10 | Ibebusiness | and players can level up and save. |
| 20:19.13 | Ibebusiness | :) |
| 20:19.18 | Vail | nice |
| 20:19.22 | Ibebusiness | Like a kid with a new toy |
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| 20:19.52 | Vail | ive seen people doing a lot of stuff with triggers that they could do with data and the shere amount of triggers slows the maps down on my pc |
| 20:20.28 | Ibebusiness | If only I knew half of the data stuff as I did in triggers... |
| 20:20.42 | Ibebusiness | triggers you can make at will |
| 20:20.44 | Ibebusiness | however |
| 20:20.46 | Ibebusiness | no rules |
| 20:20.56 | Ibebusiness | no site op insane madness |
| 20:20.59 | Vail | if i only knew as much about triggers as much as do about data ... |
| 20:20.59 | Ibebusiness | ect |
| 20:21.11 | Vail | yeah data is hard and crazy |
| 20:21.11 | Ibebusiness | Well im here whenever you need help |
| 20:21.47 | Vail | thanks same if there is a data thing you want to try to figure out let me know i love doing test maps with single ideas |
| 20:21.47 | Otixa | yawns |
| 20:21.56 | Ibebusiness | lol |
| 20:22.25 | Ibebusiness | I have a habit of figuring it out in my map as I go |
| 20:23.07 | Ibebusiness | now only if bibendus would talk |
| 20:23.14 | Vail | cool but if anything ever stumps you ... |
| 20:23.14 | Ibebusiness | I think thats who im supposed to talk to |
| 20:23.14 | Bibendus | wut |
| 20:23.22 | Ibebusiness | lol perfect |
| 20:23.28 | Ibebusiness | you do data wasd right? |
| 20:23.30 | Bibendus | watching e3 coverage |
| 20:23.31 | Ibebusiness | or did it |
| 20:23.34 | Bibendus | i did |
| 20:23.36 | Bibendus | btw |
| 20:23.42 | Bibendus | mass effect with voice recognition... |
| 20:23.43 | Bibendus | ...... |
| 20:23.44 | Bibendus | ....... |
| 20:23.46 | Bibendus | ............ |
| 20:23.47 | Ibebusiness | lol |
| 20:23.48 | Ibebusiness | right |
| 20:23.50 | Bibendus | FUCKING EPIC |
| 20:23.54 | Ibebusiness | its about time |
| 20:23.58 | Ibebusiness | they made games like that |
| 20:24.01 | Bibendus | guy go there |
| 20:24.03 | Bibendus | use ability |
| 20:24.05 | Bibendus | just epic |
| 20:24.10 | Bibendus | btw |
| 20:24.16 | Bibendus | what where u saing about wasd movement |
| 20:24.20 | Ibebusiness | lol |
| 20:24.31 | Ibebusiness | I have an idea to fix all lag problems to a min. |
| 20:24.32 | Bibendus | kinect star wars :O |
| 20:24.35 | Ibebusiness | lol |
| 20:24.50 | Bibendus | like |
| 20:24.51 | Bibendus | how |
| 20:24.53 | Bibendus | using abilities? |
| 20:24.54 | Ibebusiness | WASD via data-hotkey |
| 20:25.04 | Ibebusiness | and mouse, using data-hotkey but wait |
| 20:25.09 | Ibebusiness | the missing link |
| 20:25.17 | Ibebusiness | is the mouse buton and the keyboard key |
| 20:25.24 | Ibebusiness | So there is this easy to get, free app |
| 20:25.30 | Ibebusiness | autohotkey |
| 20:25.31 | Bibendus | actually |
| 20:25.37 | Ibebusiness | you can bind mouse to keyboard key |
| 20:25.39 | Bibendus | the mouse lcicks lags |
| 20:25.43 | Bibendus | mouse clicks lag |
| 20:25.47 | Ibebusiness | wait |
| 20:25.48 | Bibendus | as keys |
| 20:25.54 | Ibebusiness | the program runs externaly to starcraft |
| 20:26.00 | Ibebusiness | when you press mouse |
| 20:26.06 | Ibebusiness | it presses keyboard for you |
| 20:26.12 | Ibebusiness | and bam |
| 20:26.16 | Vail | i want overstrike |
| 20:26.17 | Ibebusiness | hotkey pressed |
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| 20:26.40 | Bibendus | ahahaha star wars kinect sucks balls |
| 20:26.41 | Bibendus | xD |
| 20:26.53 | Ibebusiness | I would make it a "mod" feature of the map, with the link in the help button |
| 20:26.56 | Bibendus | external program? |
| 20:26.56 | Ibebusiness | or in the beggining |
| 20:27.01 | Ibebusiness | AutoHotKey |
| 20:27.06 | Ibebusiness | You press mouse button |
| 20:27.14 | Ibebusiness | it presses say spacebar |
| 20:27.22 | Bibendus | just tell me |
| 20:27.23 | Ibebusiness | and you set spacebar as an ability |
| 20:27.26 | Bibendus | how are you going to detect |
| 20:27.28 | Bibendus | the click release |
| 20:27.37 | Bibendus | cuz my map doesnt use mouse |
| 20:27.41 | Ibebusiness | you dont need it for shooting single bullets for now |
| 20:28.02 | Ibebusiness | and autohotkey works with windows directly |
| 20:28.08 | Ibebusiness | you can send up down key events |
| 20:28.11 | Bibendus | my map doesnt use mouse |
| 20:28.16 | Ibebusiness | as if you were really pressing |
| 20:28.23 | Ibebusiness | er... |
| 20:28.30 | Bibendus | wait are u talking about crush company |
| 20:28.32 | Bibendus | or corpses? |
| 20:28.53 | Ibebusiness | I was just pitching the idea. Your data WASD would be combined with my mouse to key method |
| 20:29.19 | Ibebusiness | I could put a setting in game to enable or disable "mouse to key" |
| 20:29.24 | Bibendus | crush company won't never use mouse |
| 20:29.28 | Bibendus | it's an old arcade beatemup |
| 20:29.31 | Bibendus | it doesnt need mouse |
| 20:29.38 | Bibendus | but still imagine i would like to use it |
| 20:29.41 | Ibebusiness | er... Im making a FPS |
| 20:29.45 | Bibendus | ok |
| 20:29.49 | Bibendus | i wanted to make corpses as fps |
| 20:29.52 | Ibebusiness | well |
| 20:29.54 | Ibebusiness | if you want |
| 20:29.55 | Bibendus | how do you suppose to make movement not laggy |
| 20:30.02 | Bibendus | the problem is |
| 20:30.07 | Bibendus | ok ability = move forward |
| 20:30.13 | Ibebusiness | well your data wasd is supposedly the fastest lag wise? |
| 20:30.17 | Bibendus | then when the unit will stop moving? |
| 20:30.20 | Bibendus | when u release? u can't |
| 20:30.20 | Ibebusiness | better than trigger wasd |
| 20:30.34 | Ibebusiness | hmmmm... how did you do it? |
| 20:30.40 | Bibendus | can data detect click release? |
| 20:30.44 | Bibendus | with triggers u can |
| 20:30.49 | Bibendus | with data abilities u can't |
| 20:30.59 | Bibendus | or at least i can't think anything to do it with data |
| 20:31.02 | Ibebusiness | I KNOW |
| 20:31.06 | Ibebusiness | simple |
| 20:31.10 | Ibebusiness | I write more script |
| 20:31.10 | Bibendus | so it can't be done by data |
| 20:31.12 | Bibendus | am i right? |
| 20:31.16 | Ibebusiness | I got it |
| 20:31.22 | Ibebusiness | just bear with me |
| 20:31.27 | Bibendus | i love bears |
| 20:31.30 | Bibendus | oh wait |
| 20:31.30 | Bibendus | xD |
| 20:31.30 | Ibebusiness | Okay, you press key, data says go forward |
| 20:31.35 | Bibendus | yep |
| 20:31.40 | Ibebusiness | when you release key, my AutoHotKey |
| 20:31.41 | Bibendus | click release |
| 20:31.43 | Bibendus | disables the trigger |
| 20:31.45 | Ibebusiness | detects the release |
| 20:31.50 | Bibendus | oh and press another one |
| 20:31.50 | Bibendus | k |
| 20:31.51 | Ibebusiness | and presses another key on the keyboard |
| 20:31.56 | Bibendus | then it would work |
| 20:31.58 | Ibebusiness | and you set that up in data as stop forward |
| 20:32.04 | Ibebusiness | :DDDDDD |
| 20:32.14 | Bibendus | still |
| 20:32.19 | Ibebusiness | ? |
| 20:32.20 | Bibendus | the requiring of an external program |
| 20:32.21 | Bibendus | is a fail |
| 20:32.26 | Bibendus | specially for a multiplayer game |
| 20:32.28 | Ibebusiness | I make it simple |
| 20:32.35 | Bibendus | people will never go download it |
| 20:32.37 | Bibendus | externally |
| 20:32.37 | Ibebusiness | with a hot key to turn it on and off |
| 20:32.54 | Ibebusiness | if it catches on, and its available on sc2mapster |
| 20:32.59 | Ibebusiness | a reputable site |
| 20:33.12 | Ibebusiness | people will play it... right? |
| 20:33.15 | Ibebusiness | I would |
| 20:33.29 | Bibendus | believe me.. |
| 20:33.33 | Bibendus | epic fail |
| 20:33.35 | Bibendus | :D |
| 20:33.36 | Ibebusiness | they made a external mod for warcraft III to turn into starcraft.. or the other way... |
| 20:33.43 | Bibendus | i know |
| 20:33.45 | Bibendus | to use mouse controls |
| 20:33.55 | Ibebusiness | but you couldn't play online |
| 20:33.57 | Bibendus | how many players do u think used it? |
| 20:33.58 | Ibebusiness | this way you can |
| 20:34.01 | Bibendus | ye only offline |
| 20:34.05 | Bibendus | but it requires |
| 20:34.08 | Bibendus | that all players have it |
| 20:34.13 | Bibendus | or players that don't have it |
| 20:34.14 | Bibendus | will lag |
| 20:34.16 | Bibendus | and probably leave |
| 20:34.24 | Bibendus | what about just wait |
| 20:34.28 | Bibendus | that blizz fixes the lag? |
| 20:34.29 | Ibebusiness | I will put a VERY clear message |
| 20:34.35 | Ibebusiness | lol when will that be? |
| 20:34.52 | Bibendus | dunno |
| 20:35.03 | Bibendus | btw they said they will fix it |
| 20:35.10 | Bibendus | with blizz times obviously |
| 20:35.12 | Ibebusiness | they said that a long time ago |
| 20:35.13 | Bibendus | but it will come out |
| 20:35.19 | Bibendus | probably |
| 20:35.20 | Bibendus | like the market |
| 20:35.22 | Bibendus | with the exp |
| 20:35.22 | Bibendus | :P |
| 20:35.37 | Ibebusiness | well my script wont take but an hour to make... |
| 20:35.46 | Ibebusiness | plus you already did wasd |
| 20:35.55 | Ibebusiness | so its not like we are making a whole new system |
| 20:35.56 | Vail | speaking of the market i would pay five bucks for Hive Keeper some day |
| 20:35.59 | Ibebusiness | just adding to it... |
| 20:36.16 | Ibebusiness | you have a tut for your wasd? |
| 20:36.19 | Ibebusiness | please? |
| 20:36.20 | Bibendus | holy shit |
| 20:36.24 | Bibendus | 3d painting! |
| 20:36.26 | Bibendus | with kinect |
| 20:36.37 | Bibendus | useless but cool |
| 20:36.37 | Bibendus | xD |
| 20:36.57 | Bibendus | nope |
| 20:36.59 | Bibendus | no tut |
| 20:37.01 | Bibendus | i can explain u |
| 20:37.18 | Ibebusiness | if you have time |
| 20:37.31 | Bibendus | consider it was done in the beta |
| 20:37.39 | Bibendus | with my poor knowledge of existing triggers |
| 20:37.42 | Ibebusiness | I can work around it and figure it out |
| 20:37.48 | Bibendus | btw |
| 20:37.52 | Bibendus | first i have a trigger |
| 20:37.52 | Ibebusiness | just the concept |
| 20:37.54 | Bibendus | that detects |
| 20:37.57 | Bibendus | the key pressed |
| 20:38.04 | Bibendus | and turned it into a number |
| 20:38.13 | Ibebusiness | uh.. what about hot keys? |
| 20:38.24 | Bibendus | can u store pressed hotkeys in an array? |
| 20:39.00 | Ibebusiness | but key press detection is what lags.... |
| 20:39.00 | Bibendus | dont think so ;) |
| 20:39.09 | Bibendus | u cant do anything about it |
| 20:39.13 | Bibendus | btw |
| 20:39.15 | Bibendus | my trigger can work |
| 20:39.19 | Bibendus | with what events u want |
| 20:39.27 | Bibendus | the idea is |
| 20:39.29 | Bibendus | you write down |
| 20:39.33 | Bibendus | in an array |
| 20:39.36 | Mexa_ | http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookout/20110603/us_yblog_thelookout/first-man-functionally-cured-of-hiv |
| 20:39.38 | Bibendus | if a direction button is pressed or not |
| 20:39.43 | Mexa_ | Bodes good |
| 20:39.57 | Bibendus | then u make a looping trigger |
| 20:40.07 | Bibendus | that detects every x seconds |
| 20:40.09 | Bibendus | the buttons pressed |
| 20:40.13 | Bibendus | and u move the unit in that direction |
| 20:40.16 | Bibendus | by X |
| 20:40.20 | Bibendus | got it? |
| 20:40.30 | Ibebusiness | I already have that..... |
| 20:40.36 | Bibendus | so whats your question? |
| 20:40.37 | Ibebusiness | wasd by triggers... |
| 20:40.42 | Bibendus | mexa really cured? |
| 20:40.45 | Ibebusiness | uh... I was told you did it by data |
| 20:40.54 | Bibendus | i don't have it done by data |
| 20:40.55 | Ibebusiness | half the delay |
| 20:40.57 | Bibendus | but you could just |
| 20:40.57 | Ibebusiness | shit |
| 20:41.06 | Bibendus | yes but useless external program |
| 20:41.08 | Bibendus | so sucks |
| 20:41.08 | Bibendus | btw |
| 20:41.10 | Bibendus | do what u want |
| 20:41.11 | Bibendus | :d |
| 20:41.20 | Bibendus | u can do things like that |
| 20:41.25 | Bibendus | if u already have a huge fan community |
| 20:41.28 | Bibendus | behind the game |
| 20:41.29 | Ibebusiness | didn't mean to offend |
| 20:41.33 | Bibendus | else u will fail miserably |
| 20:41.40 | Ibebusiness | im putting alot into this game |
| 20:41.47 | Bibendus | like |
| 20:41.50 | Ibebusiness | hiding in dumpsters |
| 20:41.51 | Bibendus | ak130 |
| 20:41.53 | Bibendus | could do that |
| 20:41.57 | Bibendus | and probably would work |
| 20:41.58 | Bibendus | :D |
| 20:42.00 | Ibebusiness | well |
| 20:42.01 | Bibendus | btw |
| 20:42.06 | Bibendus | its not hard |
| 20:42.12 | Bibendus | just make that when an ability is used |
| 20:42.12 | Ibebusiness | im not sure they will let me in the map |
| 20:42.19 | Bibendus | the array movement var is set to true |
| 20:42.24 | Bibendus | when the stop button is pressed |
| 20:42.27 | Bibendus | set all to false |
| 20:42.30 | Ibebusiness | kk |
| 20:42.33 | Ibebusiness | so er |
| 20:42.35 | Ibebusiness | the data |
| 20:42.42 | Ibebusiness | how does it change a variable... |
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| 20:43.11 | Ibebusiness | didn't know data could interact with triggers, or variables... |
| 20:43.38 | Ibebusiness | I wil make a proof of concept map |
| 20:43.43 | Bibendus | event |
| 20:43.45 | Bibendus | unit uses ability |
| 20:43.51 | Ibebusiness | ah kk |
| 20:43.55 | Bibendus | dont put any phase |
| 20:43.56 | Bibendus | put like |
| 20:44.01 | Bibendus | ability 6 - complete |
| 20:44.11 | Ibebusiness | k |
| 20:44.13 | Bibendus | else |
| 20:44.23 | Bibendus | your trigger will fire for each phase of the spell casting |
| 20:44.28 | Ibebusiness | lol |
| 20:44.30 | Bibendus | like 6 times for each ability :P |
| 20:44.33 | Ibebusiness | epic fail |
| 20:44.53 | Ibebusiness | "why is my guy running across the whole map?" |
| 20:45.09 | Ibebusiness | thanks |
| 20:45.34 | Ibebusiness | im sure once I get it out there, and if it catches on blizzard will fix lag, just to stick it to me |
| 20:46.17 | Ibebusiness | So i can just replace my current keypress events with abliity events |
| 20:46.24 | Ibebusiness | and make the rest in data. |
| 20:46.35 | Ibebusiness | this will be epic |
| 20:47.06 | Ibebusiness | val everything work out? |
| 20:50.11 | Bibendus | xD |
| 20:50.15 | Bibendus | ye u could be useful to that |
| 20:50.17 | Bibendus | :P |
| 20:50.27 | Bibendus | btw |
| 20:50.32 | Bibendus | anyone wanting to test hive keeper |
| 20:50.36 | Bibendus | the lag may be fixed |
| 20:50.38 | Bibendus | or may not |
| 20:50.39 | Bibendus | who knows |
| 20:50.39 | Bibendus | :D |
| 20:50.46 | Bibendus | only feederlings know that! |
| 20:56.46 | Trace_ | Bibendus: EU server or US? |
| 20:56.51 | Bibendus | eu |
| 20:57.02 | Trace_ | bah |
| 20:57.21 | Trace_ | otherwise I would |
| 20:57.28 | Bibendus | xD |
| 21:04.58 | Vail | things are working YAY |
| 21:05.36 | Vail | hmm i am going to be looking for some folks looking to join a mini campaign project |
| 21:06.04 | Dresnia | http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-2011-elder-scrolls/714852 |
| 21:06.12 | Dresnia | 300hours of gameplay |
| 21:06.22 | Dresnia | beats the avera 60$ for 12-15hrs :D |
| 21:08.03 | Dresnia | still not my thing tho' |
| 21:15.34 | Vail | hey Ibe what are you working on |
| 21:16.06 | Bibendus | bored by elder scrolls |
| 21:16.11 | Bibendus | always the same game |
| 21:16.11 | Bibendus | :| |
| 21:17.29 | Dresnia | goodnight y'all |
| 21:17.30 | Dresnia | :-) |
| 21:17.39 | Vail | later Dres |
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| 21:28.06 | Ibebusiness | fps |
| 21:28.26 | Ibebusiness | ? |
| 21:28.32 | Ibebusiness | fail |
| 21:28.34 | Ibebusiness | why? |
| 21:28.38 | Vail | do you know any one good at terrain? |
| 21:28.46 | Ibebusiness | er no... |
| 21:29.04 | JademusSreg | Me, haha. |
| 21:29.25 | Ibebusiness | yea, I know jademus is good |
| 21:29.27 | JademusSreg | Also, people who win terraining contests perhaps. |
| 21:29.34 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 21:29.39 | Vail | i am looking to find people who may interested into a mini campaign that will use my mod... |
| 21:29.49 | Ibebusiness | lol just make it a contest, like they did with td :P |
| 21:29.54 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 21:29.56 | JademusSreg | Clever. |
| 21:30.43 | Vail | no big commitment would be required since its only six maps...that vary... |
| 21:32.05 | Vail | or no Huge commitment ...>..> |
| 21:33.48 | Vail | if any one is intrested i can offer a few files including anything they might be intersted in from my mod. |
| 21:34.55 | JademusSreg | You'd have better luck recruiting on the forums. |
| 21:34.58 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 21:35.03 | Vail | likely |
| 21:35.39 | Trace_ | I thought no-one read the recruitment forum anymore |
| 21:36.04 | JademusSreg | Dunno. I don't read the forums at all. |
| 21:36.11 | Vail | me neither anymore |
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| 21:40.45 | Mexa_ | lol, new rayman origins looks like a blast to play |
| 21:41.32 | Bibendus | anyone avail now for testing? |
| 21:41.32 | Bibendus | xD |
| 21:41.47 | Ibebusiness | sure |
| 21:41.50 | Mexa_ | Noes, I am watching e3 :D |
| 21:41.51 | Bibendus | : |
| 21:41.54 | Bibendus | :P |
| 21:41.55 | Bibendus | already did |
| 21:41.59 | Bibendus | whats up now? |
| 21:42.12 | Mexa_ | Ubisoft |
| 21:42.13 | Mexa_ | http://www.gametrailers.com/netstorage/e3/e3-live.html |
| 21:42.14 | Ibebusiness | what mod? |
| 21:42.15 | Bibendus | mass effect with voice recognition epix |
| 21:42.18 | Bibendus | yes but ubisoft |
| 21:42.19 | Bibendus | is still down |
| 21:42.20 | Bibendus | no? |
| 21:42.24 | Bibendus | hive keeper |
| 21:42.26 | Mexa_ | "still down"? |
| 21:42.33 | Mexa_ | What does that mean |
| 21:42.47 | Bibendus | oh FUCK |
| 21:42.49 | Bibendus | i was waiting here |
| 21:42.50 | Bibendus | http://e3.gamespot.com/press-conference/ubisoft-e3/index.html |
| 21:42.52 | Bibendus | ... |
| 21:42.54 | Mexa_ | lol |
| 21:42.59 | Bibendus | and it says still waiting |
| 21:43.00 | Bibendus | btw |
| 21:43.01 | Bibendus | lol |
| 21:43.04 | Bibendus | smoking hot ladies |
| 21:43.04 | Bibendus | :P |
| 21:43.11 | Ibebusiness | whats the name? |
| 21:43.11 | Bibendus | did |
| 21:43.15 | Mexa_ | gametrailers is showing everything :) |
| 21:43.16 | Bibendus | they already talk about AC? |
| 21:43.18 | Bibendus | i suppose yes |
| 21:43.20 | Mexa_ | exclusive pass |
| 21:43.23 | Bibendus | Hive Keeper |
| 21:43.24 | Bibendus | is the name |
| 21:43.48 | Ibebusiness | be there in two mins |
| 21:43.54 | Ibebusiness | no 1 |
| 21:43.55 | Mexa_ | Bibendus, you missed rayman origins :) It looked really fun, both sp and coop. |
| 21:44.01 | Bibendus | oh cmon |
| 21:44.03 | Bibendus | i dont like platforms |
| 21:44.03 | Bibendus | xD |
| 21:44.07 | Mexa_ | :p |
| 21:44.12 | Bibendus | answer my older question |
| 21:44.26 | Mexa_ | I don't think they ahve been talking about AC yet |
| 21:44.44 | Mexa_ | I put it on in 15min ago, and by that time it looked like it was just intro |
| 21:44.46 | Bibendus | aaaaaaaha |
| 21:44.48 | Bibendus | amiga disk |
| 21:44.49 | Bibendus | :D |
| 21:45.08 | Ibebusiness | uh us? or eu? |
| 21:45.11 | Ibebusiness | im us |
| 21:45.27 | Bibendus | eu |
| 21:45.28 | Bibendus | :( |
| 21:45.32 | Ibebusiness | lol fail |
| 21:45.36 | Bibendus | quite a bit |
| 21:45.41 | Bibendus | btw i have both accounts |
| 21:45.42 | Bibendus | lol |
| 21:45.49 | Ibebusiness | so switch over? |
| 21:45.50 | Bibendus | but i have to patch the us client |
| 21:45.50 | Bibendus | :D |
| 21:45.52 | Bibendus | and btw |
| 21:45.58 | Bibendus | nee total of 4 players |
| 21:46.07 | Ibebusiness | no shit please tell me how that works and ill patch over |
| 21:46.28 | Ibebusiness | 4? goodluck lol |
| 21:49.32 | Bibendus | wtf of game is that :O |
| 21:49.35 | Bibendus | xD |
| 21:49.37 | Bibendus | 3 |
| 21:49.40 | Bibendus | 4 including me |
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| 21:53.52 | Bibendus | lol |
| 21:53.54 | Bibendus | ince game intro |
| 21:53.55 | Bibendus | :D |
| 21:55.07 | Bibendus | oh trapped again? xD |
| 21:56.37 | Mexa_ | :> |
| 21:58.49 | Trace_ | This looks stupid |
| 22:00.30 | Trace_ | Tintin the video game? Kill me now |
| 22:01.10 | Mexa_ | Tintin is already soon in the cinema, so why not? |
| 22:01.22 | Mexa_ | Who knows tho.. |
| 22:02.16 | Mexa_ | As long as it is not based on the movie |
| 22:02.29 | Mexa_ | But yeah:p |
| 22:09.11 | Bibendus | epic sux |
| 22:09.17 | Bibendus | even this splinter cell game |
| 22:09.17 | Bibendus | lol |
| 22:10.02 | Jum-Jum | uh |
| 22:10.05 | Jum-Jum | its not splinter cell |
| 22:10.27 | Mexa_ | its ghost recon |
| 22:10.38 | Mexa_ | *it's |
| 22:10.48 | Mexa_ | I think |
| 22:10.52 | Trace_ | I never buy anything with Tom Clancey on the packaging |
| 22:12.32 | Jum-Jum | splinter cell chaos theory was great |
| 22:12.43 | Jum-Jum | after that it went downhill for the splinter cell series |
| 22:12.55 | Jum-Jum | well atleast for the multiplayer part |
| 22:12.58 | Jum-Jum | singleplayer was still fun |
| 22:13.20 | Jum-Jum | in chaos theory, then the double agent one, but it all fell apart when they made conviction and just turned it into this generic shooter fps |
| 22:16.37 | JademusSreg | For a moment, I looked at the chat and thought people were talking about stochastic systems, but then was disappoint. |
| 22:17.03 | Nash|327 | SON I AM DISAPPOINT |
| 22:17.25 | Mexa_ | och awesome, trackmania 2 I think :D |
| 22:17.30 | Mexa_ | YAY |
| 22:17.33 | Nash|327 | och awesome? |
| 22:17.37 | Mexa_ | *oh |
| 22:17.40 | Nash|327 | PICK A LANGUAGE |
| 22:17.45 | Mexa_ | oh oh oh |
| 22:17.51 | Mexa_ | http://www.gametrailers.com/netstorage/e3/e3-live.html |
| 22:17.56 | Trace_ | Jademus: We could talk stochastic if you want |
| 22:18.10 | JademusSreg | asdrfherjkdnsfgPWTG4? oH WAIT. |
| 22:18.13 | Trace_ | Did the sound just cut out for anyone else? |
| 22:18.14 | JademusSreg | Baduntsss |
| 22:18.21 | Nash|327 | He loves it when you talk stochastic. |
| 22:18.26 | Nash|327 | :G |
| 22:18.46 | Nash|327 | Var[X], oh yeah. |
| 22:19.51 | Trace_ | Did I just see a trackmania custom map editor? |
| 22:20.01 | Trace_ | Looks like I'll have to jump ship |
| 22:20.03 | JademusSreg | I believe you did. |
| 22:20.06 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 22:20.07 | Nash|327 | E[nX] = nE[X] |
| 22:20.44 | Vail | nE[X]t? >..> |
| 22:20.48 | Nash|327 | WHO WANTS TO TEST HERO SURVIVAL |
| 22:20.53 | Trace_ | Come on Nash, you'll have to do better than that |
| 22:21.36 | Nash|327 | pick a class and I will hard code it into map for you D_D |
| 22:23.58 | Trace_ | This one: http://www.mit.edu/~6.262/ |
| 22:24.39 | JademusSreg | File not found? FFUUUU |
| 22:25.14 | JademusSreg | Ah well. |
| 22:25.33 | JademusSreg | works on the Photon Cycles update. |
| 22:25.44 | JademusSreg | totally not procrastining right now, no way, no how. |
| 22:25.56 | JademusSreg | *procrastinating |
| 22:25.57 | Vail | right |
| 22:26.08 | JademusSreg | But "procrastining" is pretty great too. |
| 22:27.06 | Vail | i know ive beend doing it all day |
| 22:27.50 | Vail | i should be working on my mod |
| 22:31.49 | Vail | sigh my mod need to be worked on its staring at me ... like a sad kitteh |
| 22:35.53 | Vail | maybe ishould have said kittun? |
| 22:43.24 | Nash|327 | kittun |
| 22:47.17 | Trace_ | Ubisoft's presentation was pretty bad |
| 22:47.32 | Trace_ | I'm not sure I want to buy any of those games |
| 22:48.40 | Vail | yeah |
| 22:49.31 | Mexa_ | Rayman Origins and Trackmania 2 for my part |
| 22:49.36 | Mexa_ | If only Origins were for PC |
| 22:49.50 | Vail | eh i dont care... |
| 22:50.21 | Mexa_ | Pointless reply, no one cares, yet we all express our opinions too often on the irc. |
| 22:50.22 | Ech0__ | does anyone here know how i can get in touch with Beier? |
| 22:51.01 | Vail | nope |
| 22:51.48 | Ech0__ | =( |
| 22:53.23 | Ech0__ | his galaxy++ editor has issues =/ |
| 22:55.12 | JademusSreg | Dunno. I just use np++ with grim's highlight/auto-complete. |
| 22:55.34 | Ech0__ | that's fine |
| 22:55.39 | Ech0__ | i dont care about the highlighting |
| 22:55.59 | Ech0__ | the important thing is his optomized galaxy language |
| 22:56.35 | Ech0__ | which he (for some reason) decided to merge his compilre with his editor |
| 22:56.40 | Ech0__ | compiler* |
| 22:57.00 | Vail | fifa im sick of fifa gah ... die fifa * kills* |
| 22:57.12 | Nash|327 | anyone on EU want to test this hero survival thingy? |
| 22:58.18 | Nash|327 | 4 classes implemented :G |
| 22:59.32 | Vail | hmm |
| 23:07.36 | Nash|327 | now you can play any race arena :G |
| 23:10.04 | *** join/#sc2mapster curt`off (curt@shoozza.de) |
| 23:10.08 | *** join/#sc2mapster Ashamed (43be33f7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.190.51.247) |
| 23:10.59 | Ashamed | got a job interview tomorrow |
| 23:11.12 | JademusSreg | Congrats. |
| 23:11.22 | Ashamed | can finally get out of IBM |
| 23:11.29 | Ashamed | and its like +7 dollar raise |
| 23:11.54 | Ashamed | and i will support like 50 less people |
| 23:11.55 | Mexa_ | IBM not good enough? |
| 23:12.06 | Ashamed | nah all the do is hire contractors now |
| 23:12.12 | Mexa_ | oh |
| 23:12.15 | Ashamed | >< I get paid the same amount as the people i support |
| 23:12.25 | Mexa_ | slacker;p |
| 23:12.41 | Mexa_ | So what are the new interview about? |
| 23:12.46 | Mexa_ | *is |
| 23:13.14 | Ashamed | IBM went from USA IT TO INDIA IT TO USA NON IT ( TO save on the cost of going back from india to america ) and now they hire anyone and then throw everything on their IT guys |
| 23:13.17 | Ashamed | its very annoying |
| 23:13.28 | Ashamed | its the same exxact thing i am doing now :) |
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| 23:13.35 | Ashamed | i just will support less people and work for a smaller company |
| 23:13.46 | Mexa_ | oh |
| 23:14.21 | Ashamed | just basic IT |
| 23:14.34 | Ashamed | or the IT guy for the company it will just be me and my boss :) |
| 23:14.39 | Ashamed | instead of a million people |
| 23:14.41 | Ashamed | like at IBM |
| 23:16.08 | Mexa_ | neato, Sony press conference in 15minutes |
| 23:22.27 | Vail | it says live buts its delayed ... bah... false advertising |
| 23:26.58 | Ashamed | sony = boo |
| 23:27.01 | Ashamed | i think it should close down |
| 23:29.25 | Vail | ive decided to make Nascent creep tumors an ability |
| 23:30.21 | Ashamed | no vail |
| 23:30.22 | Ashamed | dont do it |
| 23:30.31 | Vail | why not? |
| 23:37.40 | Ashamed | just cuz |
| 23:38.51 | Nash|327 | so anyone on EU still up and wanna test shit? |
| 23:39.32 | Nash|327 | or else I'm gonna sleep |
| 23:40.38 | Nash|327 | guess not |
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| 23:51.40 | Mexa_ | Ashamed, I am not really a sony fanboy you know. But I do care about the games. |
| 23:52.21 | Ashamed | 0,0 |
| 23:52.29 | Mexa_ | But if you're talking about the 17 hacking leaks since PSN went down, that shit is just getting rediculous. |
| 23:53.00 | Ashamed | its 17 now |
| 23:53.02 | Ashamed | lol |
| 23:53.14 | Mexa_ | I said that. |
| 23:53.25 | Ashamed | i know i was saying it in response to you |
| 23:53.31 | Ashamed | sorry that was not very clear >< |
| 23:53.34 | Mexa_ | :> |
| 23:53.42 | Ashamed | its 17 now! lol.... might of been better |
| 23:53.51 | Mexa_ | or a question mark:p |
| 23:53.57 | Ashamed | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:53.59 | Mexa_ | Anywho |
| 23:54.08 | Ashamed | yeah thats crazy |
| 23:54.13 | Ashamed | yeah i dont support them |
| 23:54.21 | Ashamed | they are cocky thus why their systems all get hacked |
| 23:54.28 | Mexa_ | Sony do have a problem being "owned" but such things as SQLi |
| 23:54.32 | Mexa_ | *by |
| 23:54.36 | Ashamed | in order to be cocky you need to make sure you can hold yourself up |
| 23:54.42 | Ashamed | they obv were all talk no show >< |
| 23:54.42 | Mexa_ | No |
| 23:55.00 | Mexa_ | They get hacked since everyone is mad about the sony vs hotz case. |
| 23:55.16 | Mexa_ | Or just for the luls |
| 23:55.20 | Ashamed | and they are noobz |
| 23:55.26 | Mexa_ | Meh |
| 23:55.37 | Mexa_ | Hackers made their point |
| 23:55.55 | Mexa_ | They are not only damaging sony, but they also expose all customers |
| 23:56.33 | Mexa_ | Fine, they did hack and manage to get source code of the psdev net and found out network infrastructure documents and shit |
| 23:56.50 | Mexa_ | But leaking the databases in public is not even necessary for them to prove their point |
| 23:57.44 | Mexa_ | Also, LulzSec seem to happily continue what they do... they got a bitcoins donor of 7k dollars :O |
| 23:58.53 | Mexa_ | Now, I don't even own a ps3 or anything, I just think it have gone too far |
| 23:59.00 | Mexa_ | ._. |
