| 00:28.01 | JademusSreg | Fuck. |
| 00:28.07 | JademusSreg | My wine is frozen. |
| 00:28.15 | JademusSreg | It's a goddamn slushie now. |
| 00:30.10 | JademusSreg | Also, regarding IPL, Cruncher is fucked. |
| 00:36.22 | JademusSreg | Wow, looks like DBS fumbled that certain victory. |
| 00:39.27 | JademusSreg | No wonder Cruncher falls behind; he doesn't train units while he's losing them. |
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| 01:18.14 | triceronand | oh crap |
| 01:18.43 | JademusSreg | That was uninformative. |
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| 01:18.52 | Triceron | that's better |
| 01:18.56 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 01:19.09 | Triceron | Heart of the Swarm screenies, woo! |
| 01:19.14 | JademusSreg | Orly? |
| 01:19.16 | JademusSreg | Link. |
| 01:19.31 | Triceron | http://www.insidegamer.nl/pc/starcraftiiheartoftheswarm/screenshots |
| 01:21.05 | A1win | looks like... SC2 |
| 01:21.45 | JademusSreg | Certain assets look new. |
| 01:21.58 | Triceron | no way, it totally looks like Heart of the Swarm |
| 01:22.00 | JademusSreg | Some of the egg patches, tendrils, matriarch. |
| 01:22.35 | A1win | the snow texture set is neat |
| 01:22.43 | JademusSreg | FINALLY |
| 01:23.11 | JademusSreg | Looks like another broodwar. |
| 01:24.04 | Triceron | broodwar 2.0 |
| 01:25.39 | JademusSreg | some new terrain texture assets, too, I see. |
| 01:25.51 | A1win | damn youtube is taking long with the processing |
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| 01:27.07 | JademusSreg | Snow world... might be Braxis. |
| 01:27.27 | A1win | or finland |
| 01:27.28 | Deaod | http://www.insidegamer.nl/pc/starcraftiiheartoftheswarm/screenshots/162681 |
| 01:27.37 | JademusSreg | Might be the moon on which Zeratul discovered the hybrids and Duran. |
| 01:27.41 | Deaod | Kerrigan Ghost |
| 01:28.31 | Deaod | http://www.insidegamer.nl/pc/starcraftiiheartoftheswarm/screenshots/162676 |
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| 01:28.41 | JademusSreg | 162661 indicates one will be fighting indigenous lifeforms for mutagen, as I ecpected. |
| 01:28.42 | Deaod | so itll be more of an RPG game |
| 01:28.46 | JademusSreg | *expected |
| 01:28.58 | CryptRat | Is it possible to copy terrain from one map to the other? |
| 01:29.19 | A1win | dunno.. try it? |
| 01:29.24 | CryptRat | How? |
| 01:29.28 | JademusSreg | Posthumous Mitosis upgrade for zergling. Awesome. |
| 01:29.29 | Deaod | mark terrain, CTRL C, CTRL V |
| 01:29.29 | A1win | ctrl-c, ctrl-v |
| 01:29.30 | CryptRat | Is there a terrain box select? |
| 01:29.36 | pirate | so theres 30 or so leaked pics from the HotS preview |
| 01:29.36 | A1win | yeah |
| 01:29.39 | JademusSreg | A zergling dies and releases a broodling. op as hell. |
| 01:29.39 | CryptRat | 'mark terrain'? |
| 01:30.07 | A1win | with the terrain tool |
| 01:30.09 | pirate | im excited for snow tileset |
| 01:30.17 | JademusSreg | Yeah, same. |
| 01:30.25 | pirate | and cross making one off my to do list |
| 01:30.45 | JademusSreg | Looks like another awesome protoss thing gets destroyed in 162664 |
| 01:30.58 | pirate | so it looks like youre fighting for control of the swarm against rival queens... |
| 01:31.06 | pirate | dungeon keeper, anybody? |
| 01:31.18 | CryptRat | I'm not seeing it A1 |
| 01:31.37 | A1win | it doesn't show on the terrain, just as coordinates in status bar |
| 01:31.40 | A1win | when you select it, that is |
| 01:31.54 | JademusSreg | Shows up in the minimap. |
| 01:31.59 | A1win | mmh right |
| 01:32.04 | JademusSreg | And in the main viewer when you paste. |
| 01:32.09 | CryptRat | Select what? x_x |
| 01:32.11 | CryptRat | I'm still lost. |
| 01:32.18 | A1win | the terrain |
| 01:32.18 | A1win | :P |
| 01:32.20 | CryptRat | Am I looking under the texture brush? |
| 01:32.23 | A1win | just like you box select units |
| 01:32.26 | A1win | just with the terrain too |
| 01:32.28 | A1win | l |
| 01:32.34 | A1win | it's not a brush |
| 01:32.45 | A1win | it's when you don't have anything selected |
| 01:33.37 | Dustin | Guys |
| 01:33.40 | Dustin | Periodic Offsets |
| 01:33.41 | Dustin | Wtf |
| 01:34.21 | Dustin | You'd think -5x 0y would go left huh, it doesnt. |
| 01:36.01 | JademusSreg | Does it correspond to unit facing? |
| 01:36.49 | Dustin | Theres no unit involved |
| 01:37.26 | JademusSreg | Oh, haha. |
| 01:37.30 | Dustin | Its a set that fires 4 missiles at specified ranges, one going left, right, up, down |
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| 01:39.33 | CryptRat | Is it possible to increase the dimensions of a map? |
| 01:39.38 | JademusSreg | 162673 indicates the RPG dimension may be less than spectacular. |
| 01:39.41 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 01:39.48 | JademusSreg | Map -> Map Bounds |
| 01:40.21 | CryptRat | Ah, that's what that chekc box was for. >_> |
| 01:40.35 | JademusSreg | Yup. |
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| 01:42.40 | JademusSreg | Ah, the planet is called Kaldir. |
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| 02:16.20 | UloseTheGame | hey Coala |
| 02:16.21 | UloseTheGame | ! |
| 02:16.29 | Coala | hey |
| 02:17.04 | Coala | soo...which is the guy who created that awesome terrain for you? |
| 02:17.05 | JademusSreg | Someone graduated the Mortal Kombat School of Spelling. |
| 02:18.05 | UloseTheGame | Hey Jade, it seems your fame has grown, quite already ;D |
| 02:18.36 | JademusSreg | Wasn't that great; I just don't know wnough about the lore to make it better. |
| 02:19.05 | JademusSreg | Fell free to do whatever you want with it. |
| 02:19.09 | JademusSreg | *Feel |
| 02:19.21 | Coala | so jade...Ulose was showing to me your terrain |
| 02:19.39 | Coala | and both him and me always wanted to create a map but couldnt cause we cant create a good terrain |
| 02:19.54 | Coala | i was wondering....if u would like to do something similar for a map of mine? |
| 02:20.30 | Coala | of course...you would recieve recognizition for it |
| 02:21.55 | JademusSreg | Well, I did the map just because I wanted to see how well I could replicate it within the limits of the editor; the rivers and blend texture limit (of 8) contributed to the challenge. |
| 02:22.09 | JademusSreg | I don't usually take requests. |
| 02:22.13 | Coala | i see... |
| 02:22.17 | JademusSreg | Unless they are awesome, of course. |
| 02:22.18 | Coala | well it was just a wonder |
| 02:23.21 | UloseTheGame | Just out of curiosity, what was your request Coala |
| 02:23.41 | Coala | the point is that i got really impressed by yours terrain |
| 02:23.57 | UloseTheGame | Wait Jade, I have a request |
| 02:24.04 | UloseTheGame | Can you recreate Lalaland? |
| 02:24.11 | UloseTheGame | is that awesome enough? :3 |
| 02:24.40 | Coala | i was trying to recreate a map from bw called The Wheel of Time |
| 02:25.16 | JademusSreg | I'd need source material, for starters. |
| 02:25.22 | JademusSreg | I don't even know what Lalaland is. |
| 02:25.26 | JademusSreg | Also, brb. |
| 02:26.20 | UloseTheGame | So coala, what is the terrain of this Wheel of Time map? |
| 02:26.43 | UloseTheGame | i wonder if jade would take the challenge to make the sc1 terrain into sc2 format |
| 02:28.09 | progammer | HOTS screenshot for some leakage http://forums.sc2mapster.com/general/general-chat/22075-spoilers-first-hot-s-screenshots/ |
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| 02:28.35 | grenegg | Ulose we dont like you. |
| 02:28.43 | grenegg | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/2549105769?page=1 |
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| 02:30.00 | GRrrrUlose | grrr |
| 02:30.07 | GRrrrUlose | grr... |
| 02:34.00 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 02:36.03 | JademusSreg | Naw, I'm not gonna remake some content from an antiquated format like a sc1 map. I'd much sooner use a detailed image. |
| 02:36.55 | UloseTheGame | interesting |
| 02:38.02 | JademusSreg | ("antiquated format" is clearly hyperbolic, but I am inclined to be a bit more hyperbolic when intoxicated, wine being the intoxicant in this instance.) |
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| 02:39.06 | UloseTheGame | http://images.fanpop.com/images/image_uploads/Randland-the-wheel-of-time-45576_1364_786.jpg |
| 02:39.27 | UloseTheGame | Hey DRV |
| 02:39.30 | UloseTheGame | nice updatew |
| 02:39.32 | UloseTheGame | update* |
| 02:39.34 | UloseTheGame | Also |
| 02:39.40 | UloseTheGame | Jade, i found that image |
| 02:39.49 | UloseTheGame | which you'll have to talk to Coala |
| 02:39.54 | UloseTheGame | if you want more details on |
| 02:40.28 | UloseTheGame | DarkRevenant |
| 02:40.35 | DarkRevenant | yo |
| 02:41.41 | UloseTheGame | I like the ideas for the new roles |
| 02:43.35 | JademusSreg | programmer, posting images from the insidegamer site doesn't seem like a good thing to do; would be better to just link to the site. |
| 02:43.48 | JademusSreg | (whoever did that, that is) |
| 02:46.26 | progammer | JademusSreg: well they got it leaked |
| 02:46.37 | progammer | and mapster has alwasy stay neutral on all kind of matter |
| 02:46.49 | progammer | (see sotis unlock) |
| 02:47.39 | progammer | and btw its is progammer, no R :) |
| 02:49.28 | JademusSreg | Waha, oops. |
| 02:49.44 | pirate | cp,,pm ,ostale |
| 02:49.47 | pirate | WOW |
| 02:49.50 | pirate | **common mistake |
| 02:50.14 | JademusSreg | Weil, if it's just a leak, I guess redistribution in any form is dandy. |
| 02:50.30 | pirate | itll be official in the next day or two |
| 02:50.40 | pirate | hopefully with previews from a couple more missions |
| 02:50.52 | pirate | (we got 4 campaign missions from WoL..) |
| 02:51.02 | progammer | tomorrow from my calculation, sixen will deliver them |
| 02:51.11 | pirate | glorious |
| 02:51.41 | pirate | he should do it at 00:01 EST |
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| 02:53.47 | progammer_ | lol i got chinese for captcha |
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| 03:00.26 | UloseTheGame | check out how i pwned this guy who failed to read all the way through |
| 03:00.37 | UloseTheGame | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/2549105769?page=5#88 |
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| 03:14.22 | SpiderDave | just looks like a bunch of flaming all around to me |
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| 03:29.15 | JademusSreg | Haha, found an easter egg in the final mission of the campaign. |
| 03:29.34 | JademusSreg | The AI's APM is 9001. |
| 03:30.00 | JademusSreg | The cpmment above it is: rk> it's over nine thousand!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 03:33.25 | progammer | nice one |
| 03:33.35 | progammer | they have too much unit |
| 03:53.57 | Deaod | Ulose, the editor is part of the reason SC2 mapmaking sucks currently. |
| 04:03.34 | pirate | I respectfully disagree |
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| 04:06.25 | Deaod | oh, thats right, the editor is fine with more than a handful of features not working at all and more working incorrectly. |
| 04:06.48 | Deaod | the editor that lacks a decent syntax highlighter |
| 04:07.29 | Mephs | i love shit that doesn't work |
| 04:07.36 | Deaod | i do too |
| 04:07.42 | Mephs | while we're on the topic of horse wangs at a wedding |
| 04:07.46 | Mephs | brb |
| 04:13.07 | pirate | the editor is fully capable of making fun, unique, and interesting games. |
| 04:14.48 | Deaod | that doesnt change the fact that SC2s editor is a few steps backwards from WC3s. |
| 04:15.01 | Deaod | there are improvements |
| 04:15.18 | Deaod | but there are also things that have gotten worse |
| 04:16.08 | pirate | right |
| 04:16.10 | pirate | what are your arguments |
| 04:16.14 | pirate | give them to me |
| 04:20.33 | JademusSreg | I'm gonna guess fixed-point real implementation, virtual machine memory limits, string function reference for trigger creation, I forget what else. |
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| 04:21.08 | Deaod | data editing is a step into the wrong direction. i know people dont share this point of view, generally. But for me, it should have been more power to the scripting language, not less. |
| 04:22.15 | Deaod | plus all the things Sreg mentioned. |
| 04:22.35 | pirate | Sreg's things weren't really better in the war3 editor though, were they? |
| 04:22.46 | Deaod | yes they were |
| 04:22.54 | Deaod | WC3 had floats for one |
| 04:23.02 | pirate | and what do you mean by the data editor going the wrong way? They just gave you far more options in galaxy |
| 04:23.16 | Deaod | which is what im against. |
| 04:23.25 | pirate | you are against more options... |
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| 04:23.41 | Deaod | i should rephrase |
| 04:24.35 | pirate | please do |
| 04:24.36 | Deaod | WC3 had very rigid objects, certain objects would always behave a certain way, had obscure bugs, that sort of stuff. |
| 04:25.00 | Deaod | SC2 is better insofar as object are universal |
| 04:25.10 | Deaod | objects* |
| 04:25.47 | Deaod | however, when you want to for example create a spell, things get ugly really fast |
| 04:26.39 | pirate | more effort is required, yes, but it affords infinitely more control without resorting to triggering |
| 04:26.41 | Deaod | WC3 was tolerable in that you could just toss the Object editor out of the window and write some JASS |
| 04:27.00 | Deaod | or vJass |
| 04:27.21 | Deaod | but in SC2, you practically HAVE to use the data editor. |
| 04:27.39 | pirate | I see |
| 04:27.39 | Deaod | and youre forced to use a clunky GUI for something scripting could do just as well |
| 04:28.07 | Deaod | if, of course, SC2s VM was better. |
| 04:29.58 | JademusSreg | I like the data, so much more robust, affords great control over nearly everything. |
| 04:30.11 | Deaod | imagine the scripting language had that much control. |
| 04:30.22 | pirate | as a poor GUI-er (learning galaxy is [low] on my to do list), I have yet to be come across a situation where I was like, "hmmm, if only I wasn't limited by the galaxy editor I could make the best map ever" |
| 04:31.35 | pirate | I initially made some very clunky things (Facility 17 was poor) that caused heaps of lag on low end (and high end) systems. But all of that could've been remedied with better triggers |
| 04:34.07 | pirate | that said, I've run into several occasions where I wish that the Battle.net client doesn't render games unplayable with its enforced latency |
| 04:34.59 | Deaod | well, joining during a running session is impossible, and has been impossible with any Blizzard RTS game i know |
| 04:35.26 | Deaod | WC3 has/had extensions that provided low-level access to sockets |
| 04:36.15 | JademusSreg | That would be great Deaod, only that's not a deficit of SC2 relative to WC3 scripting. It would be awesome, but the lack of that feature is hardly in the disadvantage column. |
| 04:36.16 | pirate | that would be nifty, yes |
| 04:36.37 | Deaod | its a point for neither. |
| 04:36.47 | Deaod | only that SC2 doesnt have such extensions yet |
| 04:37.02 | Deaod | and its not a big deal, really |
| 04:37.14 | JademusSreg | I'd love to script everything, but that desire does not accurately reflect the tools that are available to use in reality. And until someone finished a language extension that is stable and not shitty, so shall it continue to be. |
| 04:37.21 | JademusSreg | Did Vestras finish Iris or whatever? |
| 04:37.23 | pirate | I don't expect much from sc2 custom maps till HotS era, if not LotV |
| 04:37.47 | Deaod | i feel the same, pirate. WC3 modding got going after TFT was released |
| 04:38.17 | Deaod | so i hope SC2 modding will go ahead full steam once LotV is released, if were lucky even before that. |
| 04:38.29 | Deaod | i dont think so Sreg |
| 04:38.44 | JademusSreg | Shucks. |
| 04:39.02 | pirate | if anything, I feel like I'm only limited by free time |
| 04:40.53 | pirate | did it seem to anyone else that the mapping community peaked mid winter and has been slowing down since? |
| 04:42.43 | Deaod | itll reach a low over summer |
| 04:42.58 | pirate | I was expecting it gain momentum |
| 04:42.59 | JademusSreg | Many people have departed. |
| 04:43.11 | pirate | figured people who have more free time |
| 04:43.29 | pirate | I certainly thought I would, but then got sucked into an internship |
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| 05:04.09 | Brainshack | he guys |
| 05:04.15 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 05:04.39 | Brainshack | JademusSreg: are you confused? |
| 05:05.35 | Brainshack | im searching for good ideas for MP maps, but cant find any atm |
| 05:05.40 | Brainshack | that sucks :( |
| 05:05.55 | JademusSreg | What do you like to play? |
| 05:06.54 | Brainshack | all sorts of stuff x<d |
| 05:07.06 | pirate | you could finish the super secret active time battle tactics games I'm technically still working on :D |
| 05:07.37 | Brainshack | you know im looking for something quite simple to become more familiar with the editor |
| 05:07.45 | Brainshack | the last thing i tried seemed to be way out of my league |
| 05:07.55 | pirate | pffft, you'll learn more that way |
| 05:07.59 | Brainshack | so i decided to shift it till im better with that stuff |
| 05:08.16 | Brainshack | nah it just frustrates me atm |
| 05:09.50 | pirate | I see |
| 05:09.58 | pirate | what are you ultimately interested in making? |
| 05:10.01 | pirate | genre wise? |
| 05:10.58 | Brainshack | the last thing i tried is a final fantasy like rpg |
| 05:11.02 | Brainshack | i like rpg <3 |
| 05:11.54 | Brainshack | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FnsVcGE-64 this video inspired me a lot |
| 05:12.26 | pirate | oh I see how it is |
| 05:12.49 | pirate | how much experience do you have? |
| 05:13.02 | Brainshack | not much |
| 05:13.15 | Brainshack | no experience in data editing at all |
| 05:13.58 | Brainshack | and i think that would be much helpfull for that sort of combat style |
| 05:15.21 | pirate | well, you generally need to use data (actors) to make fancy spell effects |
| 05:22.03 | pirate | ultimately, you're going to need to know a lot about dialogs and dialog items too |
| 05:22.45 | JademusSreg | Yup. |
| 05:23.05 | pirate | to practice, I'd recommend you either play around with making abilities (take some of the new Diablo 3 abilities for example) or trying to make some FF-esque UI |
| 05:26.04 | Brainshack | im more stuck on the data editing side than the ui side i guess |
| 05:26.06 | pirate | sigh |
| 05:26.10 | pirate | right |
| 05:26.15 | pirate | (that sigh wasnt at you) |
| 05:26.28 | Brainshack | never mind^^ |
| 05:26.37 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 05:26.44 | pirate | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkp-Nf_h-fo |
| 05:26.47 | pirate | go remake that |
| 05:26.48 | pirate | now |
| 05:27.09 | Brainshack | how? :( |
| 05:27.20 | pirate | oh come on |
| 05:27.36 | pirate | sc2mappster is enough tutorials around to recreate all of those variants |
| 05:27.41 | pirate | * has enough |
| 05:27.53 | pirate | they even give you a search button! |
| 05:29.13 | Brainshack | hmkay |
| 05:30.49 | pirate | here's a good starting point |
| 05:30.50 | pirate | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/tutorials/17154-data-colliding-projectiles-correct-kill-credit-hit/#posts |
| 05:30.54 | pirate | anyway |
| 05:30.56 | pirate | as I was saying |
| 05:31.46 | pirate | I think a large problem with the sc2 mapping community is people sometimes lose focus on what makes games fun |
| 05:32.28 | pirate | there's quite a few of us around that are clearly skilled at the editor, but make overly complicated or cumbersome or just plain ugly maps |
| 05:32.29 | Brainshack | how come? |
| 05:32.33 | Brainshack | thanks for the link btw |
| 05:33.50 | pirate | also, misleading names, but that's a different issue |
| 05:45.29 | Brainshack | what i usually dont like about tutorials |
| 05:45.47 | Brainshack | they tell what stuff you need to do, but mostly dont tell you why you do the stuff you do xD |
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| 05:47.43 | obliviron | anyone on? |
| 05:47.47 | Brainshack | no |
| 05:47.50 | Brainshack | :) |
| 05:47.50 | pirate | all of us |
| 05:47.56 | obliviron | whats good |
| 05:47.58 | JademusSreg | I agree with Shack. |
| 05:48.02 | obliviron | looking for people to work on a map with |
| 05:48.17 | obliviron | one at a time... |
| 05:48.35 | obliviron | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:48.48 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 05:49.01 | obliviron | You intrested? |
| 05:49.07 | pirate | ...what map? |
| 05:49.12 | obliviron | eh who cares |
| 05:49.15 | obliviron | mapping aint fun solo |
| 05:49.22 | obliviron | but i got a project in mind |
| 05:50.00 | JademusSreg | I am never short on things to do, so I must decline. |
| 05:50.15 | obliviron | no problem |
| 05:50.44 | obliviron | pirate, still interested in the project? |
| 05:51.37 | Trace_ | You'd have to tell us more about it |
| 05:51.54 | obliviron | k |
| 05:55.13 | obliviron | You control a Probe/SCV/Drone (Pick a race? Or go from terran and into different tech trees). You pick a spot, wall up, and create a mineral extractor (Got a model in mind). Mineral extractor automates harvesting minerals, and based on the level of the extractor, gives you more. Basic walls are anchored in one dimension (there are 4). First ~10 levels of creeps are anchored in the second dimension. YOUR BUILDER IS ANCHORED IN |
| 05:55.27 | obliviron | and creeps spawn in 2 dimensions, they can kill your builder in the second dimension |
| 05:55.53 | obliviron | A 256 map will be split up into 4 parts of 128x128 , and code will be created to change the coordinates when a player changes dimension focus. |
| 05:55.55 | JademusSreg | So mineralsZ with an extra dimension? |
| 05:55.58 | obliviron | Soo.. anyone intrested? |
| 05:56.01 | obliviron | fuck that fucking game |
| 05:56.04 | obliviron | no |
| 05:56.05 | JademusSreg | Hahaha |
| 05:56.10 | obliviron | no rocks |
| 05:56.17 | obliviron | Ill cook up some good terrain |
| 05:56.26 | obliviron | Although im not sure on the structure yet |
| 05:57.01 | obliviron | not all at once, please |
| 05:57.15 | Brainshack | i dont get it xD |
| 05:57.22 | obliviron | lol.. |
| 05:57.24 | obliviron | ok |
| 05:57.33 | obliviron | what dont you get? |
| 05:57.33 | JademusSreg | Hah. The gameplay does not appeal to me. |
| 05:57.36 | Brainshack | but never mind, i dont really care at all^^ |
| 05:57.40 | obliviron | ... |
| 05:57.54 | JademusSreg | Also, sleep time. |
| 05:58.03 | obliviron | cya |
| 05:58.05 | Deaod | anyone here messed with Unreal Script? |
| 05:58.05 | Trace_ | Sorry, it's just not my kind of thing |
| 05:58.11 | obliviron | brain, what about a custom hero arena? |
| 05:58.14 | JademusSreg | Actually, game of thrones, then sleep. |
| 05:58.57 | Deaod | its far more advanced compared to galaxy, so far advanced that it uses @ and $ as operators. |
| 05:59.09 | Deaod | apparently $ concatenates strings |
| 05:59.25 | Deaod | the fuck. |
| 05:59.48 | obliviron | deaod, why not just code in java? |
| 06:00.03 | Trace_ | It really pisses me off when people post crap like "I do not want to tell that much about the map because I am afraid that someone steals the Idea" on the forums |
| 06:00.03 | Deaod | eh? |
| 06:00.05 | Brainshack | obliviron: sry im not really interested, since im allready struggiling with my own stuff xD |
| 06:00.15 | Brainshack | obliviron: cuz udk uses unreal script i guess xD |
| 06:00.22 | Deaod | Unreal Script and Java dont mix very well |
| 06:00.32 | Deaod | if that were possible, id certainly do it. |
| 06:00.41 | obliviron | nah i mean, why code in unreal script? |
| 06:00.44 | Deaod | I have a working IDE for Java, for one. |
| 06:00.58 | obliviron | the only reason i use galaxy is for models + premade engine |
| 06:01.21 | Deaod | yes, Blizzards RTSs are very good sandboxes |
| 06:01.27 | obliviron | yea |
| 06:01.40 | Brainshack | udk is quite a good one too^^ |
| 06:01.56 | Deaod | not so sure about that. |
| 06:02.21 | Deaod | certainly not for the average user |
| 06:02.50 | Brainshack | ever used kismet? |
| 06:02.56 | Deaod | yes. |
| 06:02.59 | Deaod | its horrible. |
| 06:03.14 | Brainshack | no it aint |
| 06:04.13 | Deaod | its horrible for the same reasons every other GUI to a scripting language is horrible. |
| 06:04.31 | Deaod | why click in a GUI when you can just write a few lines and be done with it? |
| 06:04.57 | Brainshack | cuz the average level designer aint a programmer? |
| 06:05.05 | Deaod | thats true. |
| 06:05.50 | Brainshack | however, id also prefer if i would be able to choose which one to use |
| 06:06.08 | Deaod | yeah, kismet is being forced down my throat. |
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| 06:30.32 | Mephs | yea i dont get the point of overhyping a map |
| 06:30.38 | Mephs | if you're never going to release it shortly after |
| 06:30.40 | Mephs | the hype |
| 06:30.47 | Mephs | i saw a fucking promo vid for a tower defense |
| 06:30.49 | Mephs | like srsly |
| 06:31.08 | Mephs | zooming in all dramatically on a photon cannon |
| 06:31.12 | Mephs | shooting a default photon missile |
| 06:31.14 | Mephs | WHOAAAAA |
| 06:32.13 | Mephs | deaod: that'd be a good argument if galaxy was different from the GUI in any way. GUI is easier to organize your shit in and I find it faster than scripting. |
| 06:32.57 | Deaod | Galaxy is different from GUI |
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| 06:33.08 | Deaod | for one, you cant easily share GUI snippets |
| 06:33.33 | Deaod | GUI also doesnt support constants in array-sizes |
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| 06:44.06 | obliviron | hey |
| 06:52.46 | Triceron | AHHHH so close! |
| 06:52.58 | Triceron | need moar HOTS info! |
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| 07:10.30 | Sixen | Almost done, Triceron. |
| 07:10.35 | Sixen | Having some ftp difficulties, >.> |
| 07:10.44 | Triceron | >_< |
| 07:10.56 | Triceron | haha I'll wait |
| 07:11.21 | pirate | :D |
| 07:11.23 | pirate | write up? |
| 07:11.30 | pirate | AM I LATE TO THE PARTY?! |
| 07:11.30 | Sixen | ya |
| 07:11.41 | Triceron | you seen the screens and the trailer, pirate? |
| 07:12.04 | pirate | yup |
| 07:12.05 | Brainshack | screens? |
| 07:12.09 | Brainshack | only knew of the trailer |
| 07:12.33 | pirate | you allowed to talk about it now, and just writing/publishing? |
| 07:12.40 | Sixen | yup |
| 07:12.50 | pirate | coo |
| 07:12.57 | pirate | are there more pics than the leaked ones? |
| 07:12.58 | Triceron | the NDA just lifted :) |
| 07:13.04 | Sixen | I didn't see the leaked ones yet. |
| 07:13.07 | Sixen | I have 60 pics though |
| 07:13.28 | Brainshack | Sixen: you are on beta or what? |
| 07:13.36 | pirate | 36 were thrown up on some sight showing the first Char mission and some snowy place called Kaldir |
| 07:13.38 | Sixen | Beta for HotS hasn't started yet |
| 07:13.41 | Sixen | I went to Blizzard and played it |
| 07:13.41 | pirate | *site |
| 07:13.45 | Triceron | http://www.insidegamer.nl/pc/starcraftiiheartoftheswarm/screenshots |
| 07:13.48 | Brainshack | how come?^^ |
| 07:13.50 | Sixen | ya, I deleted that thread |
| 07:13.55 | Sixen | they posted early |
| 07:14.04 | pirate | cuz everyone likes him *that* much |
| 07:14.08 | Sixen | ;p |
| 07:15.49 | pirate | not to steal sixen's thunder but there's some info at http://wellplayed.org/forum/114/thread/3805016/show |
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| 07:16.39 | Triceron | do all the forum MVP's get to go to the singleplayer conference? |
| 07:17.30 | Sixen | nope |
| 07:17.34 | Sixen | I run SC2Mapster, did you forget? :P |
| 07:17.46 | pirate | lol |
| 07:18.11 | pirate | did you get some answers to the all important mapping questions? |
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| 07:18.30 | Triceron | well I know why you went, just wondering if other forum MVPs were there |
| 07:19.04 | Sixen | nuh uh :P |
| 07:19.08 | Sixen | pirate: ya |
| 07:19.10 | Sixen | I think? |
| 07:19.11 | Sixen | lol |
| 07:19.15 | pirate | :D |
| 07:19.23 | pirate | did they ask about me? |
| 07:19.42 | Sixen | of course |
| 07:20.48 | Brainshack | so kerrigan still is the evil gal? :( |
| 07:20.57 | Sixen | sorta ya |
| 07:21.10 | pirate | why can human kerrigan burrow? |
| 07:21.16 | Sixen | she can't, she cloaks |
| 07:23.33 | pirate | that makes a lot more sense |
| 07:24.03 | Sixen | ya ;P |
| 07:25.51 | Stewox | morning |
| 07:28.17 | progammer | sixen :P |
| 07:28.27 | Sixen | progammer :P |
| 07:28.32 | progammer | time yet ? |
| 07:28.42 | Sixen | ya, I just need to figure out how the hell to upload all these images. |
| 07:29.19 | progammer | pirate: that site seems faster than sixen |
| 07:29.33 | pirate | imgur! |
| 07:29.47 | pirate | yeah, i think they started early and just press the launch button |
| 07:29.47 | Sixen | Is there multiupload? ;O |
| 07:29.50 | pirate | cheaters |
| 07:29.56 | pirate | mebbeeee? |
| 07:30.18 | progammer | Sixen: just use imgur to bulk upload, than we can reupload them to mapster at a later date |
| 07:30.58 | pirate | do they still think HotS is 9-12 months away? |
| 07:31.24 | Stewox | well i expected hots to be another 9 months away :p |
| 07:31.24 | Sixen | A: It's too early to talk about a specific release date at this point in time. As with all Blizzard games, our ultimate goal is to provide the best possible experience for our players, and we will take as much time as is needed to ensure that Heart of the Swarm meets the expectations of our players, as well as our own high standards. |
| 07:31.45 | pirate | bastards |
| 07:32.27 | Deaod | was HotS listed for Q4/2011? |
| 07:32.32 | Deaod | wasnt* |
| 07:32.49 | Triceron | nope |
| 07:32.57 | Deaod | there were some release schedules floating around about a year ago... |
| 07:33.02 | Triceron | if anything, Activision Blizzard overall said no games in 2011. |
| 07:33.17 | Deaod | hmmm |
| 07:33.18 | Triceron | Blizzard doesn't really have to abide by that, but it's a rough guideline. |
| 07:33.21 | pirate | i feel like d3 will be christmas |
| 07:33.22 | Deaod | so they pushed it back. |
| 07:33.25 | pirate | but i also make things up |
| 07:33.33 | Triceron | considering Blizzcon is in around october |
| 07:33.43 | pirate | they seem to want marketplace out with HotS too |
| 07:33.47 | pirate | thats cool |
| 07:34.02 | Triceron | they will probably be pushing a game to be released shortly before it, if not shortly after. They have to build hype for their upcoming games. |
| 07:34.05 | pirate | and 9 months is enough time for me to get my skills back up to par |
| 07:34.13 | Deaod | unless Sixen has more info on this, i doubt marketplace will ever see the light of day |
| 07:34.15 | progammer | early 2012 |
| 07:34.21 | Triceron | SC2 was released like a month or two before last year's blizzcon |
| 07:34.22 | progammer | 3 months after d3 probably |
| 07:34.23 | Sixen | Marketplace should come with HotS, or before it |
| 07:34.24 | Sixen | I asked |
| 07:34.38 | Triceron | so there IS a marketplace |
| 07:34.40 | Deaod | hrmpf. |
| 07:34.41 | Sixen | yes |
| 07:34.44 | Triceron | glad they haven't scrapped that |
| 07:34.51 | progammer | Sixen: do you have video/audio of your interview ? |
| 07:34.52 | Triceron | they sounded iffy the last time they talked about it |
| 07:34.54 | Deaod | that means well have to reverse engineer MPQs yet again. |
| 07:34.55 | Sixen | they'll be slowly releasing stuff for it |
| 07:34.57 | pirate | "The Marketplace will also eventually include a commerce element that will allow mapmakers to charge a fee for their work. While there will always be a wealth of free content, we believe that allowing content creators to profit from their work will foster an environment for more complex and higher-quality custom maps. Our ultimate hope is that the StarCraft Marketplace will function and thrive in a similar manner as mobile "app-stor |
| 07:34.57 | Sixen | no, progammer |
| 07:34.58 | Deaod | that sucks. |
| 07:35.00 | pirate | sorry |
| 07:35.04 | pirate | for textwall |
| 07:35.08 | pirate | but that makes me really happy |
| 07:35.16 | Sixen | where'd you see that? |
| 07:35.18 | Triceron | is that new news pirate? |
| 07:35.23 | Triceron | or are you quoting something older? |
| 07:35.24 | pirate | the wellplayed interview |
| 07:35.29 | Sixen | oh |
| 07:35.37 | pirate | errr |
| 07:35.38 | pirate | no |
| 07:35.39 | Sixen | with the 4 of them there? |
| 07:35.40 | pirate | team liquid |
| 07:35.48 | Sixen | who was there |
| 07:35.52 | Sixen | sigaty, browder, and 2 others? |
| 07:35.59 | Triceron | david kim and some other dude |
| 07:36.06 | Sixen | so ya, that was the group interview |
| 07:36.11 | Sixen | I asked the question :D |
| 07:36.22 | Deaod | btw, is the xbox live guy still working at blizzard? |
| 07:36.35 | Sixen | Greg Canessa, he is the Battle.net Project leader |
| 07:36.42 | Deaod | still? |
| 07:36.46 | Sixen | yes |
| 07:36.49 | Deaod | oh man, were in for a treat |
| 07:37.03 | Triceron | I hope they can standardize the prices at a decent rate |
| 07:37.27 | Brainshack | i hate the idea of that market place to be honest |
| 07:37.36 | Brainshack | as i hate dlcs... |
| 07:37.48 | Deaod | the marketplace also means some form of DRM |
| 07:37.49 | Triceron | I don't mind it if it gives me more of something I want |
| 07:37.58 | Deaod | which conventional MPQs dont contain |
| 07:38.15 | pirate | well |
| 07:38.42 | Triceron | I really hope so |
| 07:38.59 | Triceron | I don't like that everything is so open-source atm |
| 07:39.07 | Deaod | oh really? |
| 07:39.23 | Triceron | any asset you put into a mod can be accessed |
| 07:39.32 | Deaod | what if all the cool tech demos were closed source? |
| 07:39.41 | pirate | what happens if kerri dies in a mission? |
| 07:39.42 | Triceron | there's no real locking feature that prevents that |
| 07:39.45 | Deaod | would you still be able to learn from others? |
| 07:40.13 | Brainshack | open source is one of the best things existing :) |
| 07:40.39 | Brainshack | i hate that everybody feels like they need to protect something that basically just should be there to entertain |
| 07:41.25 | Triceron | Well some things are meant to be enjoyed, not modified |
| 07:42.00 | Triceron | and it really should be at the discretion of the creator whether they want to let you be able to see the inner workings or not |
| 07:42.24 | Deaod | Triceron, with the current MPQs any art asset in an SC2 map can be easily accessed |
| 07:42.35 | Triceron | yep |
| 07:43.10 | Triceron | that is why I have not released most of my models for SC2 |
| 07:43.27 | Triceron | mods can be accessed the same way |
| 07:43.50 | pirate | did anyone bring up Blizzard DotA? |
| 07:44.36 | Triceron | I have a feeling |
| 07:44.44 | Triceron | that Blizzdota will be released the same day as the Marketplace |
| 07:44.52 | Triceron | and it'll be the map they use to usher in the system |
| 07:44.54 | Brainshack | i dont understand why you are so protective of your work |
| 07:44.56 | Sixen | nope |
| 07:45.10 | Triceron | Why not? |
| 07:45.25 | Sixen | nope @ pirate I mean |
| 07:45.37 | Deaod | its something a lot of artsy people do. |
| 07:45.39 | pirate | people keep saying they think blizz is gonna charge for blizzdota |
| 07:45.50 | Deaod | not so common among programmers |
| 07:45.51 | pirate | i doubt it highly |
| 07:46.01 | Brainshack | i mean, isnt it sort of a compliment if anyone wants to use your assets? |
| 07:46.14 | progammer | they said they wont charge it and they wont |
| 07:46.20 | Deaod | Brainshack, theyd probably use the assets without credit. |
| 07:46.20 | progammer | bad publicity for that |
| 07:46.25 | progammer | all of sudden |
| 07:46.31 | Triceron | If I spend time on creating something unique and special to push the production quality of a map, why should others be able to use it freely? |
| 07:47.09 | Brainshack | well id aggree that they shouldnt do that without permission |
| 07:47.09 | Triceron | it is a compliment if others use it. It can also become abusive and used in ways you do not wish them to be used. |
| 07:47.37 | Deaod | thats a very fine line youre touching there. |
| 07:47.55 | Deaod | fair use and all. |
| 07:48.10 | Deaod | proper credit, and its okay, commonly |
| 07:48.56 | Triceron | the problem is proper credit is all based on an honor system |
| 07:49.00 | Brainshack | i mean, if its a sucky map anybody will every take notice of it, on the other hand, if its used in a good and succesful map.... |
| 07:49.10 | pirate | for instance though, if I was to get serious about premium map making, and I hired my own modelers and animators, I wouldn't want others to be able to use the assets I invested in |
| 07:49.22 | Triceron | and iit's not the honorable people in the community that I am worried about. |
| 07:49.52 | Triceron | yes but thats being an ideal situation |
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| 07:50.32 | Deaod | imagine he creates high quality assets but the map theyre used in still flop. |
| 07:50.40 | Stewox | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NorZUFfpvC0&feature=player_embedded |
| 07:50.53 | Deaod | but someone plays the map, rips the assets and reuses them in a map that gets popular |
| 07:50.55 | Triceron | a successful map doesn't really need your work to succeed, it's already successful. On the flip side, someone who makes a lesser map might believe using your work will make it more popular. Thusly, it could be something that is overused, cliche and completely unintended in use by the creator |
| 07:51.37 | Brainshack | i dont like the concept of the market, due to the argument pirate basically just bought. i feel like it really just makes it harders for hobbiest to get a popular map since the expectations of the qualities a map needs to deliver, will be risen high by professional mapping teams that want to make some coin... |
| 07:51.37 | Triceron | I mean it's a double edged sword |
| 07:51.47 | Triceron | but ultimately I do believe that it should be controlled |
| 07:52.05 | pirate | except hobbiests still get to shine in the free section |
| 07:52.20 | Deaod | not necessarily, priate |
| 07:52.25 | Deaod | pirate* |
| 07:52.36 | Triceron | I don't think it will divide the market. |
| 07:52.41 | pirate | there will be thousands (if not 10s or 100s of thousands) of people who simply refuse to pay for content |
| 07:52.50 | Triceron | well, not any worse than what DOTA did to War3 |
| 07:52.57 | pirate | probably much worse |
| 07:53.02 | pirate | ERR |
| 07:53.03 | pirate | EDIT |
| 07:53.04 | pirate | I MEAN |
| 07:53.10 | pirate | probably much less worse |
| 07:53.21 | pirate | because instead of flooding the system with a single map type |
| 07:53.28 | Triceron | exactly |
| 07:53.29 | pirate | it will limit it to a specific community |
| 07:53.44 | Triceron | it simply opens up the options for many other maps |
| 07:54.00 | Triceron | and hopefully the current 'popularity' system will be changed for that to work out |
| 07:54.02 | pirate | yee |
| 07:54.09 | Saeris | hmmm |
| 07:54.16 | Saeris | i'm only just now joining the conversation |
| 07:54.34 | Saeris | but triceron, is it that you're worried people will use your models in paid maps? |
| 07:55.05 | Triceron | that is a potential concern as well, yes |
| 07:55.12 | Saeris | aight |
| 07:55.17 | Triceron | but it's many factors, really. There's no one right or wrong answer |
| 07:55.31 | Saeris | yea |
| 07:55.40 | Triceron | it's an ethical issue, a professional issue, a hobbyist issue, etc |
| 07:55.59 | Saeris | i can't imagine it will be any worse than the various other publishing systems and content creation tools out there atm |
| 07:56.02 | pirate | i am disappoint that theyre aiming for 20 missions for HotS when they had ~28 for WoL |
| 07:56.19 | Deaod | i remember that in WC3, some released their models only in protected maps. |
| 07:56.32 | Triceron | I thought WoL felt short |
| 07:56.34 | pirate | I feel like for the most part missions shouldnt take up that much development time |
| 07:56.40 | Triceron | HOTS will probably feel even shorter |
| 07:56.43 | Deaod | and if another map popped up that reused the asset, theyd simply get deleted. |
| 07:56.46 | Triceron | but I kind of expect that for an expansion. |
| 07:56.54 | Triceron | as long as it's not charged at full price like WoL |
| 07:56.55 | Saeris | cept it's a $60 expan |
| 07:56.57 | Sixen | Okay, all posted. I'll just have to mess with the images later. |
| 07:56.59 | Saeris | probably |
| 07:57.09 | Triceron | awesome Sixen! Thanks :D |
| 07:57.17 | Saeris | well, at least the original idea was that the games were stand-alone |
| 07:57.37 | Saeris | but i dunno, we'll see later i guess |
| 07:57.39 | Brainshack | Sixen: did they say anything about custom campaigns? |
| 07:58.05 | Sixen | Just that they're considering Co-op campaigns |
| 07:58.08 | Sixen | Nothing about custom ones |
| 07:58.14 | Brainshack | hmpf |
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| 07:58.18 | Saeris | hmm |
| 07:58.36 | Saeris | it's likely that they'll expand on this 20 mission campaign with a possible co-op one then |
| 07:58.43 | Saeris | to make up for the mission difference |
| 07:58.46 | progammer | 20 seems a little bit small |
| 07:58.50 | progammer | considering rpg element |
| 07:59.26 | Triceron | whoa what? Raynor will side with Tosh? Tosh isn't dead? |
| 07:59.37 | Saeris | course he isn't |
| 07:59.39 | progammer | side with tosh is the cannon |
| 07:59.54 | progammer | hence the rivalry with nova |
| 08:00.02 | Saeris | i'm gonna assume that nova is hunting kerrigan |
| 08:00.14 | Saeris | still reading the writeup |
| 08:00.32 | Saeris | i was gone over the weekend so i haven't been able to read anything yet =( |
| 08:01.01 | pirate | 3-5 months of multiplayer beta seems silly for only adding 1-2 new units |
| 08:02.37 | Sixen | Seems like it, ya |
| 08:03.15 | Deaod | well, they probably dont want to interrupt eSport with the release of HotS |
| 08:03.31 | Deaod | so theyll make sure the new units are balanced |
| 08:04.00 | Sixen | mmm |
| 08:04.16 | Triceron | @pirate do you mean it's too long or too short of a beta? |
| 08:04.26 | pirate | short |
| 08:04.37 | Triceron | ah, I'd somewhat agree |
| 08:04.48 | Triceron | but I feel that they'll do most of the balancing post release |
| 08:04.59 | Deaod | 3-5 months is short? |
| 08:05.13 | Deaod | thats almost half a year. |
| 08:05.13 | pirate | oh, sixxy, did you see my question bout what happens if kerrigan dies in a mission? |
| 08:05.19 | Hati|2 | lag :( |
| 08:05.21 | pirate | efff |
| 08:05.22 | pirate | i cant talk |
| 08:05.24 | pirate | I meant long |
| 08:05.28 | pirate | 3-5 months seems long |
| 08:05.40 | progammer | not long for balance |
| 08:05.47 | progammer | the good news is |
| 08:05.56 | progammer | we will get the new engine as soon as beta is released |
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| 08:06.09 | Deaod | errr... |
| 08:06.09 | Triceron | wait new engine? |
| 08:06.16 | progammer | like updated engine |
| 08:06.17 | Triceron | SC2 is running on something new? |
| 08:06.19 | Triceron | ahh |
| 08:06.21 | Triceron | sweet |
| 08:06.24 | Deaod | only those who can access the PTR |
| 08:06.30 | progammer | so if there is any new feature we can try out |
| 08:07.01 | Triceron | well, wasn't WoL beta leaked on the internets during its beta? |
| 08:07.02 | pirate | and they hinted that there would be many |
| 08:07.19 | Deaod | also, i wonder how theyll integrate the two expansions |
| 08:07.38 | Deaod | like BW or TFT, ie. splitting the community |
| 08:07.41 | progammer | not leaked, they enable the beta so they anyone can play vs bots, without beta priviliage |
| 08:07.45 | Triceron | you will probably need all to play Legacy |
| 08:08.26 | Deaod | or finally providing the updated multiplayer to all players. |
| 08:08.40 | Triceron | kinda doubt that'd happen |
| 08:08.57 | Triceron | why would anyone buy the expansions if it was all updated for you? |
| 08:09.07 | Deaod | to get the campaign |
| 08:09.14 | Deaod | and the assets that come with it. |
| 08:09.17 | Triceron | what if you don't care about the campaign? You get updates for free then |
| 08:09.25 | Deaod | yeah. |
| 08:09.42 | Triceron | the assets would have to be in your regular version if it was updated tho. |
| 08:09.51 | Deaod | nope. |
| 08:09.54 | Brainshack | no |
| 08:10.01 | Brainshack | you would just get the melee assets |
| 08:10.02 | Deaod | the campaign assets wouldnt have to be on your disk |
| 08:10.22 | Triceron | oh you meant the singpleayer assets |
| 08:10.25 | Brainshack | you can play ladder games but not custom maps that have the new campaign as a dependency |
| 08:10.45 | Triceron | it would make sense from a players perspective |
| 08:10.49 | Triceron | but not from a business one :P |
| 08:10.53 | Saeris | mmmm |
| 08:11.03 | Deaod | splitting the community is bad. |
| 08:11.11 | Saeris | it's kinda impossible to avoid |
| 08:11.13 | Saeris | i mean |
| 08:11.14 | Triceron | singleplayer is usually an incentive for multiplayer to get the expansions |
| 08:11.17 | Saeris | at least this time around |
| 08:11.22 | Triceron | well tbh tho |
| 08:11.25 | Saeris | we won't have to start one client or the other |
| 08:11.35 | Saeris | the framework seems to be there to start the same .exe |
| 08:11.35 | Triceron | they won't be patching older versions |
| 08:11.52 | Saeris | not to mention |
| 08:11.53 | Triceron | so it sort of forces everyone to play the fully patched versions to get any sort of competition. |
| 08:12.03 | Saeris | there's talk of removing WoL multiplayer units |
| 08:12.04 | Deaod | huh? |
| 08:12.06 | Triceron | as well as possible ladder systems not supporting the old games. |
| 08:12.15 | Saeris | so they will need to continue to re-balance both sets of melee units |
| 08:12.43 | Saeris | it may end up |
| 08:12.44 | Deaod | you get engine and multiplayer updates even if you only have WoL |
| 08:13.01 | Saeris | that you can select to queue for WoL or HotS melee games, each with unique unit sets |
| 08:13.14 | Deaod | so players with and without HotS can play against or with each other. |
| 08:13.18 | Triceron | WC3 and TFT were almost two completely different games |
| 08:13.18 | Saeris | and will require the expan to que for the expans |
| 08:14.38 | Saeris | just going off sixen's writeup, that seems to be the most likely case |
| 08:15.08 | Sixen | they said they may remove units |
| 08:15.12 | Sixen | like the Overseer, since it's useless |
| 08:15.42 | Saeris | oh, and let's not forget... in WoW expansions players without the expansions still gain access to some features |
| 08:15.51 | Saeris | that model seems to have worked |
| 08:16.42 | Saeris | like, you can still have vanilla WoW, but still have access to jewelcrafting (though it's downright useless for sub 60 chars), glyphs, etc |
| 08:16.59 | Saeris | not to mention all the new cataclysm content |
| 08:17.28 | Saeris | all and all it's too early to tell for sure |
| 08:18.35 | Triceron | but in that case |
| 08:18.40 | Triceron | you still pay the monthly fee |
| 08:18.51 | Triceron | and it's proven as a system that works for MMO's before WoW even came out |
| 08:18.59 | Triceron | like Everquest and UO |
| 08:19.06 | Triceron | this sort of system has never really worked well for RTS |
| 08:19.45 | Triceron | look at Dawn of War, or Command and Conquer. Games with multiple expansions usually end up pushing the gameplay of the latest expansion |
| 08:20.09 | Triceron | and any previous version becomes an archaic legacy version played only for nostalgia |
| 08:21.16 | Saeris | mmm, i think it's still most likely that you'll be able to queue for both sets of melee units, regardless of whether older ones become depricated |
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| 08:23.16 | pirate | LOL sixen one of the videos you frontpaged was taken down |
| 08:23.23 | Saeris | yea |
| 08:23.40 | pirate | :( |
| 08:25.01 | progammer | the second one ? |
| 08:26.08 | pirate | yeah |
| 08:26.15 | pirate | "HotS B Roll" |
| 08:26.22 | pirate | the one not on the other sites |
| 08:27.53 | progammer | well the gameplay trailer is not on wellplayed either, and has some interesting footage |
| 08:28.19 | progammer | their video looks boring :( |
| 08:28.47 | Sixen | ? |
| 08:29.01 | Sixen | Are you kidding mE? |
| 08:29.06 | Sixen | oh |
| 08:29.11 | progammer | vivacom blocked it |
| 08:29.13 | progammer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PD_mlKp3a_s&feature=player_embedded |
| 08:29.14 | Sixen | ya, it got taken down because it was early |
| 08:29.14 | Sixen | no? |
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| 08:32.51 | pirate | i like what I see, I just wish there was more... |
| 08:33.15 | pirate | they flew you all out there for 2 missions |
| 08:34.56 | Saeris | lol |
| 08:35.03 | Saeris | they didn't fly them out, as far as i know |
| 08:35.18 | Saeris | invited them yes, but no travel assistence i don't think |
| 08:35.45 | progammer | well that's being the only 2 mission they got polished |
| 08:35.51 | progammer | its still a long way in development |
| 08:37.03 | Saeris | yea, not nearly done yet |
| 08:37.15 | Saeris | might even be a year out yet |
| 08:37.27 | Saeris | can't trust that timetable that was leaked |
| 08:37.33 | pirate | seems crazy talk to me |
| 08:38.19 | pirate | I cant help but think that theyre extraneously delaying for market reasons |
| 08:38.43 | Sixen | I also threw in a link to SCLegacy's youtube video of the interview if you guys want to listen to the whole thing |
| 08:39.14 | Saeris | yea, watching that now |
| 08:39.29 | Saeris | thanks for linking it sixen |
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| 08:41.58 | Sixen | =] |
| 08:42.10 | Sixen | I like the guy that runs SCL, so it's all good, haha |
| 08:42.14 | Triceron | Mmm, hour long interview |
| 08:42.16 | Triceron | I likey |
| 08:42.28 | Sixen | I'm the only guy asking question about Mapping at all, so.. you'll know who I am :P |
| 08:42.34 | Triceron | I got my WoL beta key through SCL :D |
| 08:42.39 | Sixen | hehe |
| 08:42.47 | Sixen | I got like 200 keys to give away |
| 08:42.51 | Triceron | oooh |
| 08:42.55 | pirate | h, |
| 08:42.56 | pirate | mmmm |
| 08:42.57 | pirate | ? |
| 08:43.02 | Sixen | WoL, I mean |
| 08:43.07 | Sixen | I'm sure i'll get the same for HotS |
| 08:43.32 | pirate | ..in what form do you prefer your bribes? |
| 08:43.35 | progammer | Sixen: i need your d3 key :D |
| 08:43.39 | Sixen | lol |
| 08:43.45 | Saeris | lol |
| 08:43.45 | Sixen | I'll have D3 Keys to give away on DFans too |
| 08:43.49 | Saeris | good to know sixen |
| 08:43.52 | Sixen | ;) |
| 08:43.58 | Saeris | also, i work with them now =) |
| 08:44.03 | Brainshack | or you could just give em to us? :> |
| 08:44.05 | pirate | do I actually have to register on diablofans (I check it daily!)... |
| 08:44.12 | Sixen | Nope! |
| 08:44.15 | Sixen | You can use your Mapster login |
| 08:44.35 | pirate | can't I just model a character or quest after you in an upcoming map for free loots? |
| 08:44.43 | Triceron | @saeris with diablofans? |
| 08:44.46 | progammer | its on the same curse network i think |
| 08:44.52 | Saeris | no, SC:L |
| 08:44.55 | Triceron | ahh |
| 08:44.56 | Sixen | also Saeris, i'm going to toss you on the list of winners for curse premium in this contest |
| 08:45.06 | Saeris | oh, thanks |
| 08:45.10 | Sixen | DFans is on the Curse Networrk, ya |
| 08:45.24 | Saeris | the constant addon updates in WoW drive me nuts some times |
| 08:45.24 | progammer | wow 1:44 hour interview |
| 08:45.42 | Triceron | I know, I'm gonna be up for a while :( |
| 08:45.43 | progammer | 1:14 , sr |
| 08:45.47 | Triceron | supposed to wake up early too |
| 08:46.08 | Triceron | maybe I'll just rip this to MP3 and listen to it while I nod off |
| 08:46.16 | Saeris | i just got back from an anime convention this weekend >.< |
| 08:46.21 | Saeris | i have to catch up on all the HotS stuff |
| 08:46.38 | Triceron | it's only been up today, really |
| 08:46.40 | Saeris | gonna be up a while yet, even though i'm very sleep deprived |
| 08:46.48 | Saeris | not for me really =/ |
| 08:47.00 | Saeris | but i only know about as much as you do |
| 08:47.08 | Saeris | so no questions =P |
| 08:48.04 | pirate | ask me questions |
| 08:48.21 | pirate | no guarantee that answers will be honest or truthful |
| 08:50.03 | Triceron | are lurkers coming back |
| 08:50.14 | pirate | in campaign most definitely |
| 08:50.33 | Triceron | LOL |
| 08:50.41 | Triceron | as I asked that, they answered the question in the interview |
| 08:51.04 | pirate | what'd they say o.O |
| 08:51.06 | progammer | pretty detailed lore here |
| 08:51.07 | progammer | http://sclegacy.com/feature/3-events/1016-may-2011-hots-gameplay-info |
| 08:51.15 | Triceron | someone asked if BW units were coming back |
| 08:51.23 | Triceron | and they said they'd like them to for the campaign |
| 08:51.55 | pirate | ah, see, I am always right! |
| 08:56.54 | Sixen | progammer, I linked the SCLegacy writeup in the article |
| 08:56.59 | Sixen | so I removed thje comment |
| 08:57.08 | progammer | ok |
| 08:58.03 | progammer | didnt read the whole thing through |
| 08:58.23 | progammer | lots of spoiler |
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| 09:11.16 | Triceron | echh, this video is starting to desync video and audio -_- |
| 09:11.51 | pirate | goodnight fools and sixen |
| 09:13.06 | Sixen | ;p; |
| 09:13.07 | Sixen | lol |
| 09:13.13 | progammer | why all these dialogue sounds like kerrigan's motive is to revenge mengsk ? |
| 09:13.16 | progammer | do not want :( |
| 09:13.29 | Sixen | Because that is all she wants to do? |
| 09:13.46 | Sixen | I think she even says, "I don't want to kill any innocents, I just want to get my revenge on Mengsk." |
| 09:13.56 | progammer | need moar prophecy |
| 09:14.05 | Brainshack | so she is sort of human again but still queen of blades? |
| 09:14.17 | progammer | she lost memory of queen of blades |
| 09:14.20 | Sixen | She isn't the Queen of Blades, technically. |
| 09:14.24 | Sixen | But she is still in charge of the Swarm |
| 09:14.30 | Brainshack | but still leading the swarm? |
| 09:14.36 | Brainshack | thats confusing |
| 09:14.44 | Sixen | She's like half-infested, it's funky. |
| 09:14.53 | Brainshack | i wonder how this gap is being closed between she being saved and then coming back to the swarm |
| 09:15.14 | progammer | somewhere in the battlecruiser orbiting char i guess |
| 09:15.21 | Sixen | mmm |
| 09:15.24 | progammer | that's the cinematic teaser |
| 09:15.29 | Sixen | Yeah |
| 09:15.33 | progammer | then she come back down to the surface |
| 09:15.33 | Sixen | The Hyperion |
| 09:16.25 | progammer | there's even the warfield's HQ that is clikcable in the char mission |
| 09:19.03 | Saeris | well |
| 09:19.12 | Saeris | kerrigan is de-zergified |
| 09:19.13 | Saeris | but |
| 09:19.25 | Saeris | remember that her last memory as a human is of mengsk betraying her |
| 09:19.29 | Saeris | and leaving her to die |
| 09:19.36 | Saeris | so that might haev stuck with her |
| 09:19.37 | Saeris | the whole time |
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| 09:24.40 | Triceron | SC2 lore hurts my brain :( |
| 09:25.23 | Triceron | I don't like that the Overmind and the Zerg being retconned to 'not be evil' |
| 09:25.33 | Triceron | and that stuff's spilling over into Kerrigan's story |
| 09:26.02 | Saeris | i kinda like it |
| 09:26.03 | Saeris | cuz |
| 09:26.06 | progammer | some more QA |
| 09:26.08 | progammer | from TL |
| 09:26.08 | progammer | http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=228212 |
| 09:26.13 | Saeris | i really hated the zerg in SC+BW |
| 09:26.23 | progammer | probably in the 1h long video already |
| 09:26.31 | Saeris | and now i like them, because they aren't just mindless monsters |
| 09:27.16 | Saeris | they aren't just a random force of chaos thrown in the fuck things up, they have a direction they're going in and it's got very legitimate reasons behind it |
| 09:28.29 | Brainshack | legitimate reasons?^^ |
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| 09:29.47 | Triceron | well they've always been driven by a need for evolution |
| 09:30.15 | Saeris | so yea, at first i thought it was just retconning the story.... the overmind wanted to only create the perfect being and to do that it needed to absorb the best traits of all the other species out there and wipe out the competition. now we see it's more a fight for survival and to keep up with the other races |
| 09:30.25 | Saeris | which of course are evolving technologically |
| 09:30.58 | Saeris | they're all seeded from the xel'naga, right? well each has their own path they're naturally taking to be the best |
| 09:31.25 | Brainshack | are terrans aswell? |
| 09:31.38 | Saeris | i can't rmember off the top of my head but i think so |
| 09:33.25 | Saeris | but as they say in the interview, there's two ways they can go about it |
| 09:34.24 | Saeris | the zerg can just be monsters and your imagination can explain them and thus find ways to like them, or, they can try to find ways to make you connect with them more on a more human level. the example for that being District 9 |
| 09:34.39 | Triceron | well the retcon basically said the Zerg were corrupted and the Overmind was reprogrammed to do stuff it didn't want to do |
| 09:35.10 | Saeris | yea |
| 09:35.29 | Saeris | iunno, we looked at SC+BW was only having the 3 races/factions |
| 09:35.41 | Saeris | but now with SC2, there are really 5+ factions |
| 09:35.57 | Saeris | with the other major ones being the xel'naga and, damnit what's the name of it again |
| 09:36.06 | Saeris | there's this dark evil force that's still yet to be explained |
| 09:36.10 | Saeris | that's pulling the strings |
| 09:36.13 | Triceron | Hybrids? |
| 09:36.26 | Saeris | the hybrids are really just pawns in that faction |
| 09:36.31 | Triceron | oh the voice? |
| 09:36.35 | Saeris | it really links back to samir duran |
| 09:36.44 | Saeris | aka, dr. narud |
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| 09:37.20 | Saeris | he's sort of the main agent or personification of this entity, and he's constantly been pulling strings throughout the campaigns |
| 09:37.31 | Triceron | the Dark Voice |
| 09:37.39 | Saeris | and we've only seen tiny bits and pieces throughout all the campaigns |
| 09:37.59 | Triceron | they kind of touch on that in the Dark Templar trilogy too |
| 09:38.05 | Triceron | but it all feels so disjointed |
| 09:38.11 | Saeris | HotS will probably start to address that more, now that the BW storyline is kinda transitioned into the new story |
| 09:38.31 | Triceron | I kinda expected Zeratul's campaign to explain some of the stuff they hint at the end of the novels |
| 09:38.50 | Saeris | i haven't read any of the novels, so i can't comment on those |
| 09:38.52 | Triceron | but they kind of opened up more questions instead |
| 09:39.04 | Triceron | ah |
| 09:39.12 | Triceron | well the novel explains what the Xel'Naga are |
| 09:39.17 | Triceron | and why they created the Protoss and Zerg |
| 09:39.38 | Saeris | i think i got some of that from the wiki |
| 09:39.41 | Triceron | it's basically their way of rebirthing themselves |
| 09:39.50 | Triceron | but the process was corrupted somehow |
| 09:39.59 | Triceron | or I should say |
| 09:40.04 | Triceron | is being corrupted |
| 09:40.17 | Saeris | yea |
| 09:40.17 | Triceron | but not in that WoL overmind retcon way |
| 09:40.21 | Saeris | like |
| 09:40.24 | Saeris | you bring that up |
| 09:40.26 | Triceron | more as in hybrids existing |
| 09:40.35 | Saeris | and now i'm linking the SC storyling with the mass effect series |
| 09:40.36 | Triceron | and duran's experiments |
| 09:40.58 | Saeris | where every few billion years, all the races really get wiped out and start over |
| 09:41.08 | Saeris | by this one large evil force |
| 09:42.11 | Saeris | i'm just asserting that it's possible the xel'naga couldn't have been the sole dominant force in the universe |
| 09:42.16 | Saeris | they probably had some rival |
| 09:42.53 | Triceron | I loved Mass Effect |
| 09:43.06 | Triceron | the whole revelation at the end of the first game felt so epic |
| 09:43.17 | Triceron | just changed the scope of the whole game |
| 09:43.20 | Saeris | yea so do i, i really need to finish 2 |
| 09:43.20 | Brainshack | pls no spoilers ^^ |
| 09:43.24 | Saeris | haven't had the time |
| 09:43.29 | Brainshack | still didnt finish me |
| 09:43.33 | Triceron | ah |
| 09:43.57 | Triceron | it's awesome, that's all I'll say |
| 09:44.12 | Triceron | I don't usually finish singleplayer games |
| 09:44.19 | Triceron | or RPGs |
| 09:44.28 | Triceron | but that was one of the few games that I went through |
| 09:44.34 | Triceron | and jumped right into the sequel |
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| 10:04.24 | Mexa | Neato, HotS gameplay D: |
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| 10:21.37 | Saeris | aight, bed time for me |
| 10:22.05 | Saeris | enjoy reading all the HotS stuff..... i've got a press kit to sift through when i get up |
| 10:27.02 | Nash|327 | why D: |
| 10:29.12 | Mexa | too hot today :| |
| 10:30.03 | Brainshack | its raining here all day... |
| 10:31.29 | Stewox | image Galaxy coude would be similar to something like this http://wiki.crymod.com/index.php/Get_Mouse_Entity |
| 10:31.50 | Kueken | dont make me dream... |
| 10:32.11 | Brainshack | im starting to understand the data editor, yeay ! |
| 10:32.16 | Kueken | gz! |
| 10:32.24 | Kueken | I am still far away from that :D |
| 10:33.01 | Mexa | I'd prefer galaxy being more like C# due to the typesafety, but meh |
| 10:33.22 | Kueken | I'd prefer galaxy being less like Jass |
| 10:33.24 | Kueken | :/ |
| 10:33.49 | Kueken | dont care about the direction that much |
| 10:34.19 | Kueken | C#, Python, Lua... something like that would be nice |
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| 10:46.05 | Nash|327 | understanding the data editor isn't that hard |
| 10:46.16 | Nash|327 | knowing what the hell to enter in it is D_D |
| 10:46.55 | Nash|327 | actors are the worst D: |
| 10:50.46 | Brainshack | my button usable via hotkey, only when i click it |
| 10:50.48 | Brainshack | and its grey |
| 10:50.50 | Brainshack | hmpf |
| 10:54.53 | Mittsies | the data editor is like: "why do something in 30 seconds when you could spend 5 hours on it?" |
| 11:25.38 | Mexa | So.. battle.net messes up if you don't load all dependencies. |
| 11:25.40 | Mexa | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2757798/Screenshot2011-05-31%2013_24_32.jpg |
| 11:36.25 | Nash|327 | kittunses |
| 11:36.47 | Nash|327 | Can you force hotkeys to show on command card? :G |
| 11:37.30 | Brainshack | why would you want to do that? |
| 11:37.53 | Nash|327 | D_D |
| 11:38.12 | Brainshack | i mean if a user decides not to show them, why force him ? |
| 11:38.41 | Nash|327 | because it's a custom map and you can't expect people to know the hotkeys |
| 11:39.10 | Brainshack | so they can still change their settings |
| 11:39.12 | Kueken | each player can enable showing the hotkeys in the command card |
| 11:39.21 | Kueken | if they so desire |
| 11:39.24 | Nash|327 | they can, but will they? |
| 11:39.32 | Brainshack | is it you problem?^^ |
| 11:39.33 | Kueken | make a hint, that they can |
| 11:40.01 | Nash|327 | I prefer to not make usability optional |
| 11:40.03 | Nash|327 | D_D |
| 11:40.14 | Brainshack | some ppl maybe distracted by them |
| 11:40.20 | Nash|327 | people will not change their settings |
| 11:40.21 | Brainshack | i guess there is a reason you can choose |
| 11:40.25 | Nash|327 | never assume they will |
| 11:40.35 | Brainshack | well i did |
| 11:40.43 | Kueken | and if they wont, its their decision after all o_0Ã |
| 11:40.58 | Nash|327 | but it's bad for usability |
| 11:41.14 | Nash|327 | usability isn't about "well if the user is stupid it's his problem" |
| 11:41.26 | Nash|327 | In fact, that's the opposite of usability D_D |
| 11:41.33 | Brainshack | usability is a matter of perspective |
| 11:41.38 | Kueken | but forcing everyone to show hotkeys is even worse |
| 11:41.44 | Brainshack | some like the keys to be displayed some aint |
| 11:41.44 | Kueken | imo |
| 11:42.08 | Brainshack | since its a sc2 setting i dont think you can change it through the map |
| 11:42.14 | Kueken | the point is everyone has the option to display the hotkeys or not |
| 11:42.25 | Kueken | you can change some options, though |
| 11:42.32 | Brainshack | i think a hint would be the best solution |
| 11:42.38 | Kueken | for example the "display flyer helper" one |
| 11:42.52 | Kueken | dunno if any others as well |
| 11:42.57 | Nash|327 | the hotkey display is not enabled by default and most players won't even know where to change it ;G |
| 11:43.11 | Brainshack | then hint em xD |
| 11:43.18 | Kueken | exactly |
| 11:43.24 | Brainshack | they may even not know that there are hotkeys |
| 11:43.29 | Kueken | and if they cannot follow a hint |
| 11:43.30 | Brainshack | what then? |
| 11:43.35 | Brainshack | disable mouse klicking?^^ |
| 11:43.36 | Kueken | its not your problem |
| 11:43.52 | Nash|327 | Usability is always the problem of the designer. |
| 11:43.54 | Nash|327 | D_D |
| 11:44.17 | Brainshack | usability is matter of perspective |
| 11:44.50 | Kueken | if I lose the ability to configure the settings myself just because some people might not find their settings |
| 11:44.57 | Brainshack | having options and making the users know that there are the options ist the best thing a designer can do than forcing then to use things they dont like |
| 11:45.02 | Kueken | I see my usability severely decreased |
| 11:45.50 | Nash|327 | the setting enabled by default would be best, but as that is not an option... |
| 11:46.06 | Brainshack | thats what you think |
| 11:46.18 | Brainshack | another player maybe thinking that its just ugly and disturbing |
| 11:46.57 | Kueken | also you can enable grid hotkeys, in this case you dont need to show the hotkeys |
| 11:46.59 | Nash|327 | Say usability is a matter of perspective one more time and I will fucking strangle you. |
| 11:47.10 | Nash|327 | D:< |
| 11:47.15 | Kueken | then stop mentioning it ;) |
| 11:47.19 | Mexa | usability is matter of perspective |
| 11:47.30 | Brainshack | well but thats basially it, you could fight day and night about usability stuff |
| 11:47.32 | Nash|327 | kicks Mexaface |
| 11:47.51 | Mexa | What kind of strangling is that .__ |
| 11:48.08 | Nash|327 | Well I wanted a way to do it, not your opinion on if it should be done D; |
| 11:49.02 | Nash|327 | I don't agree with you and don't care to argue about it. |
| 11:49.30 | Kueken | well, you can set some options for players |
| 11:49.40 | Kueken | if this one is amongst them, you are fine |
| 11:49.48 | Nash|327 | :o |
| 11:49.49 | Kueken | if not, its most likely not possible |
| 11:50.10 | Nash|327 | via triggers? |
| 11:50.29 | Kueken | you could import custom icons for each ability, which show the hotkey |
| 11:50.35 | Kueken | yes, via trigge |
| 11:50.56 | Kueken | importing icons would however screw up people, who enabled their show hotkey options |
| 11:51.03 | Kueken | and people using grid keys |
| 11:51.44 | Mexa | lol... I suddendly had the idea to interpret jass in galaxy |
| 11:51.46 | Mexa | <.< |
| 11:52.08 | Mexa | What a shitty thing that would be |
| 11:52.14 | Mexa | But yo dawg.. |
| 11:53.25 | Nash|327 | I found a way to disable drag selection :P |
| 11:55.00 | Griffles | Why the fuck would you interpret Jass in Galaxy? |
| 11:55.06 | Griffles | I mean, fucking seriously. |
| 11:55.14 | Griffles | Do you have any idea how slow and pointless that would be? |
| 11:55.22 | Mexa | I wasn't fucking serious |
| 11:55.30 | Griffles | Although |
| 11:55.32 | Mexa | I just said I had the idea. Because I can. |
| 11:55.39 | Griffles | Being in theory able to run code by typing stuff in game |
| 11:55.42 | Griffles | Would be kinda funky. |
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| 11:56.22 | Mexa | You don't need to overreact you know. |
| 11:58.46 | Nash|327 | D:< |
| 12:03.50 | Nash|327 | alright, fuck the hotkeys |
| 12:04.12 | Nash|327 | Still haven't figured out how to remove selection ring either D: |
| 12:04.49 | Mexa | "[5/31/2011 2:04:31 PM] Warning: Battle.net disconnected due to flooding" Oh sure I was... |
| 12:05.26 | Nash|327 | stop spamming battle.net D: |
| 12:05.47 | Mexa | I was only refreshing the map list from the editor D: |
| 12:06.27 | Nash|327 | lies |
| 12:06.31 | Nash|327 | you were spamming |
| 12:06.49 | Nash|327 | ENL4RG3 Y0UR P3N1S |
| 12:07.35 | Nash|327 | gonna fnd out how to enable the hotkeys client side D_D |
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| 13:07.31 | Mexa | great.. my sc2 freaked out |
| 13:08.26 | Mexa | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2757798/IMG_31052011_150534.png hrms |
| 13:08.43 | Mexa | the one on the left, obviously |
| 13:08.53 | Mexa | *right |
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| 13:10.38 | Nash|327 | obviously on the left |
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| 13:12.35 | Mexa | -_- |
| 13:13.15 | UloseTheGame | Jade, you here? |
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| 13:18.23 | Kaseano | hi, I'm trying to use a parent item unit for all my items, inheriting makes the items un-pick-up-able tho |
| 13:18.34 | Kaseano | even if the parent is identical to the original item base |
| 13:18.44 | Kaseano | it's makin me crazy lol |
| 13:18.47 | Mexa | https://8bc.org/music/FantomenK/DisChipo+%28disco-chip%29/ |
| 13:32.57 | Dustin | I KNEW IT |
| 13:33.04 | Dustin | "Our ultimate hope is that the StarCraft Marketplace will function and thrive in a similar manner as mobile "app-stores"" |
| 13:33.45 | Mexa | mm, it was fairly what I expected too. |
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| 13:53.26 | burne- | hi |
| 13:58.57 | Mexa | hi |
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| 14:25.47 | Clord | yay for hearts of the swarm marketplace |
| 14:25.55 | Clord | yeah it gonna take while but damn |
| 14:25.57 | Clord | at least some info XD |
| 14:30.04 | Clord | they also dropped that part pretty much from their talk where they boast how premium map must be best thing ever to be able to be one |
| 14:30.20 | A1win | what codec do people use to compress videos for youtube? |
| 14:30.59 | A1win | for some reason it's failing to process my videos although it's been fine before... but I don't remember what codec I used before D: |
| 14:31.35 | Brainshack | guess best would be to go straight for .flv |
| 14:33.15 | A1win | Make sure your video is under 15 minutes in length. We accept most video file formats, including .wmv, .mov, .mpg, or .avi. If your video meets these minimum requirements and still won't upload, there may be a problem with the video compression you're using. We recommend the MPEG4 format at 640x480 resolution with MP3 or AAC audio. |
| 14:33.37 | Clord | yeah that 15 minutes rule does not actually apply to everyone |
| 14:33.43 | Clord | you can "earn" restriction removal |
| 14:33.45 | Clord | basically |
| 14:33.45 | Clord | XD |
| 14:33.48 | A1win | well it does for me |
| 14:33.51 | Clord | yeah |
| 14:33.56 | A1win | at least it says I can upload them |
| 14:33.56 | Clord | but I just point out |
| 14:33.59 | A1win | mm |
| 14:34.01 | Clord | that it does not much mention that rule lol |
| 14:34.01 | A1win | but |
| 14:34.11 | A1win | that doesn't mention anything about codecs |
| 14:34.13 | A1win | just file formats |
| 14:34.23 | A1win | trying xvid encoder now |
| 14:34.45 | Clord | http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/10/youtube-lifting-15-minute-time-limit-for-some-videos/ |
| 14:34.46 | Clord | oh yes |
| 14:34.52 | Clord | it is ongoing process |
| 14:34.55 | Brainshack | mpeg4 is a codec |
| 14:34.56 | Clord | to remove stupid limit ^^ |
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| 14:35.19 | Clord | mpeg4 is awesome |
| 14:35.46 | A1win | oh right... |
| 14:36.29 | A1win | well ffdshow compressed it with mpeg4 but it wasn't working... though it might be just some temporary problem with youtube too but dunno... |
| 14:36.36 | Clord | H.264 AVC however rocks even more |
| 14:36.37 | Clord | XD |
| 14:37.08 | Clord | resolution up to 1920X1080 |
| 14:37.13 | Clord | makes nice youtube videos |
| 14:37.53 | A1win | I uploaded my first file as 1920x1080 mpeg4 avi, the second one as 1280x720 but they got both stuck in processing |
| 14:38.13 | A1win | the first one was there overnight so it had time... |
| 14:38.17 | Clord | unfortunately there is no codecs what really supporst 1920X1200 resolution.... I neec change my resolution from 16:10 to 16:9 to make video look good lol ^^ |
| 14:38.37 | Clord | need... |
| 14:38.40 | A1win | heh |
| 14:38.49 | A1win | I'm happy with my 16:9 monitor :P |
| 14:38.58 | A1win | mostly using it for watching videos anyway |
| 14:39.04 | A1win | apart from desktop use |
| 14:39.15 | JademusSreg | I awaken. |
| 14:39.59 | Clord | gotta continue doing that "Death Note - Kira Simulator" map... I probably will use terrain as background for interface |
| 14:40.26 | Nash|327 | ew |
| 14:41.07 | Clord | I have already stuff planned for that like... you can press "watch news" button |
| 14:41.14 | Clord | and get even more names to "list of people" |
| 14:41.30 | JademusSreg | So your Death Note map will be like Mafia, then? |
| 14:42.11 | Clord | I have still not decided if I make it solo map really |
| 14:42.22 | Clord | or do I make it that people compete who wins first |
| 14:43.15 | Clord | of course as there can be easily 100 or even 1000 randomly generated names in list of people with random stats etc..... |
| 14:43.30 | Clord | it could become map to seek out who is human or not... but yeah |
| 14:43.33 | Clord | it would take while >_> |
| 14:43.52 | JademusSreg | In that case, it's also a bit like Spy Party. |
| 14:44.57 | Clord | currently I plan to go more solo experience... you must as Kira to try avoid law enforcers while doing your "job" to Judge people |
| 14:45.11 | Clord | action points restrict actions |
| 14:45.19 | Clord | doing more judging would eventually upgrade character |
| 14:45.22 | Clord | to have more max points |
| 14:45.38 | Clord | once has enough points stored.. could finally reveal who is L and kill him |
| 14:46.03 | Clord | of course... map could be easily designed that all players are kiras.... |
| 14:46.21 | JademusSreg | Upgrade - Kill Power: Kill them even harder than before. |
| 14:47.14 | Clord | considering he only needs to know face and name.. to kill with death note |
| 14:47.15 | JademusSreg | Upgrade - Multi-Kill: Kill one person multiple times for no apparent reason. |
| 14:47.18 | Clord | that upgrade would sound weird |
| 14:47.25 | Clord | XD |
| 14:47.26 | Clord | lol |
| 14:47.28 | JademusSreg | This is jest. |
| 14:47.49 | Clord | lol |
| 14:47.50 | Clord | life note |
| 14:47.54 | Clord | resurrect the victim |
| 14:47.57 | Clord | then use death note again |
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| 14:48.46 | JademusSreg | Upgrade - Deaf Note: Naw ay dun ear oo aemoah |
| 14:48.50 | UloseTheGame_ | Jade |
| 14:48.57 | Clord | XD |
| 14:49.28 | A1win | yay now it's uploading again |
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| 14:50.05 | Clord | I probably make it realtime map instead turn based.... as turn based is kinda meh sometimes....... it is up to player to be quick with his plans dammit |
| 14:50.15 | Mexa | Actually, if you want good quality on your video when it is uploaded 1080p, the original should be 1920x1088 |
| 14:50.28 | Mexa | Since H.264 is modular 16 |
| 14:50.49 | Mexa | *uses mod 16 compression something something |
| 14:51.00 | Clord | lol |
| 14:51.06 | JademusSreg | Yeah, turn based is mostly just an antiquated gameplay mechanism. |
| 14:51.14 | JademusSreg | With a few exceptions. |
| 14:51.38 | UloseTheGame | Jade, the trees were very small |
| 14:51.45 | Clord | I can just make that L's percentage suspecting the player increases over time... even if player does not do anything.. it is up to player to try and reduce it :) |
| 14:51.50 | JademusSreg | Ulose, yes, that was deliberate. |
| 14:51.51 | UloseTheGame | I decided I would resize them proportionally |
| 14:52.32 | Mexa | So, did anyone else but me have this shitty betatesting thingy on some youtube videos? |
| 14:52.41 | Mexa | The new player is horrible right now |
| 14:52.44 | Mexa | :/ |
| 14:53.08 | Clord | currently... peoples status information can have... "innocent" or "criminal".... if you don't identify target before killing it.... you might end up deep shit penalty after killing wrong type... L gets percentage spike |
| 14:53.24 | Clord | I use real numbers for that percentage thing to make it very random to look at XD |
| 14:53.33 | Griffles | Turn based is antiquated? |
| 14:53.49 | Griffles | refers JademusSretard to Go and Chess. |
| 14:53.59 | JademusSreg | I qualified it. |
| 14:54.04 | JademusSreg | "mostly" |
| 14:54.05 | Clord | yeah but Go And Chess was invented before computer gaming |
| 14:54.05 | Griffles | Hmpf. |
| 14:54.06 | Clord | lol |
| 14:54.20 | Griffles | Go and Chess are superior to almost every computer game ever made. |
| 14:54.22 | Clord | in fact.. hundreds of years before |
| 14:54.23 | Griffles | And inferior to none |
| 14:54.31 | Mexa | So I realised Griffles popup whenever he sees something that isn't of his approval.. |
| 14:54.38 | Griffles | No. |
| 14:54.43 | Clord | respect his authority |
| 14:54.44 | Clord | lol |
| 14:54.47 | Griffles | If Griffles did that Griffles would never get anything done |
| 14:54.48 | Clord | reminds me of Cartman |
| 14:54.52 | Griffles | And Griffles has stuff to do. |
| 14:54.53 | JademusSreg | I qualify nearly everything, so I have some rhetorical maneuverability. |
| 14:55.36 | Griffles | I thought you qualified everything because you're unsure of everything? |
| 14:55.55 | JademusSreg | Haha, that could be it. |
| 14:56.45 | Clord | Jade Must Register.... errrm |
| 14:56.52 | Clord | lol |
| 14:56.54 | Clord | I was just wondering bit |
| 14:58.03 | Clord | it is nice to see sometimes some creative nicknames with some meaning lol |
| 14:58.14 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 14:58.16 | Griffles | Hmmm... |
| 14:58.19 | Clord | instead yet another "xxxSephirothxxx" etc |
| 14:58.20 | Clord | XD |
| 14:58.20 | Griffles | I was writing some WC3 code |
| 14:58.27 | Griffles | To make it into an MMO |
| 14:58.47 | Griffles | But I just realised it would work also for making a time travelling RPG |
| 14:58.55 | Griffles | Or action game or something |
| 14:58.58 | Clord | cloest you gonna do is ORPG with blizzard's RTS engines XD |
| 14:59.19 | Griffles | You're an idiot. |
| 14:59.29 | Clord | unless you have actual code |
| 14:59.38 | Clord | thanks, you too |
| 14:59.41 | Mexa | I got remined of Achron when you mentioned time travel |
| 14:59.58 | Clord | Archron is wesome |
| 15:00.00 | Clord | I bought it |
| 15:00.06 | Clord | awesome... |
| 15:00.24 | Clord | but it gives potential headcaches if you try to beat another human which I have yet to try |
| 15:00.26 | Mexa | Isn't it going abit brainfuck? |
| 15:00.39 | JademusSreg | Anyway, my problem is mostly with turn based RPG shit, especially JRPG shit. |
| 15:00.44 | Brainshack | hey guys |
| 15:00.48 | Griffles | What about JRPG shit? |
| 15:00.53 | Brainshack | got a data editor related question |
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| 15:00.54 | Griffles | Turn based can be good combat wise. |
| 15:00.56 | Griffles | See: FFX. |
| 15:00.56 | Mexa | Clord, it would be awesome as a sc2 mod, seriously |
| 15:01.12 | Clord | yeah |
| 15:01.14 | Griffles | I really enjoyed FFX. This says a lot about the combat system. |
| 15:01.24 | Griffles | An awful lot. |
| 15:01.28 | Clord | ORPG = Online Role Playing Game.. it means smaller scale game than MMO aka massive multiplayer online |
| 15:01.34 | Clord | so stop calling people idiot lol |
| 15:01.47 | Griffles | Why could you not make WC3 into an MMO? |
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| 15:01.55 | Clord | if you pull out MMO with WCIII engine.. you get year supply of cookies |
| 15:02.02 | JademusSreg | It was good for Final Fantasy Tactics, which had more strategic depth than any other FF game, by far. And most FF games have implemented a real time turn based hybrid since... ff6? |
| 15:02.03 | Griffles | Almost worth it for the cookies. |
| 15:02.06 | JademusSreg | Active time. |
| 15:02.08 | Clord | well... you need actual source code from blizzard in first place |
| 15:02.14 | Griffles | No you don't. |
| 15:02.19 | UloseTheGame | Jade, |
| 15:02.32 | UloseTheGame | what size do you recommend I resize the trees to? |
| 15:02.36 | Griffles | Although source code would make it remarkably simpler. |
| 15:02.46 | Brainshack | so i have this shockwave ability which basically just is a periodic effect which applies a effect set with offsets to make it move forward. is it possible to scale up the applied effects with each period? |
| 15:03.00 | Clord | really.. reverse engineering has happened in gaming rarely... and that is when GTA got multiplayer mode before they officially made one |
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| 15:03.09 | Clord | but that is like insane job for even those who know how |
| 15:03.19 | Griffles | Why would I need to reverse engineer anything..? |
| 15:03.35 | JademusSreg | If you must resize trees, resize them to 0.23 |
| 15:03.41 | Mexa | mindworx already did it for you. |
| 15:04.14 | Griffles | Bingo! |
| 15:04.20 | JademusSreg | Their current scale is 0.2. |
| 15:04.24 | Clord | anyways... any sane person here without delusions what he can do? |
| 15:04.33 | Griffles | Well, Pipe+xttocs+mindy+etc |
| 15:04.34 | Clord | while I go do this nuclear missile in my backyard |
| 15:04.36 | JademusSreg | Except the Tree Canopy model, which is slightly higher. |
| 15:04.44 | Griffles | Jademus, tell the nub to stop doubting me |
| 15:04.55 | Brainshack | anybody read my question? xD |
| 15:05.13 | Clord | Brainshack: yes.. but how |
| 15:05.15 | JademusSreg | Don't doubt Griffen; he has spooky action at a distance. |
| 15:05.16 | Clord | that's the question |
| 15:05.19 | Griffles | <3 |
| 15:05.24 | Mexa | Griffles, what about your arrogance .__ |
| 15:05.34 | Griffles | Arrogance? |
| 15:05.40 | Griffles | That's for people who lack skill. :P |
| 15:05.52 | Clord | I removed that troll from wasting my bandwith |
| 15:05.53 | Clord | lol |
| 15:06.03 | Clord | I detect easily when someone tries to just mess with me |
| 15:06.07 | Griffles | lol... |
| 15:06.16 | Griffles | Funny part is I actually have it planned out how I'd do it |
| 15:06.24 | Griffles | And have proof of concept for all of the various bits. |
| 15:06.25 | Mexa | And you roar way too often. |
| 15:06.28 | Griffles | Just need to put in the effort. |
| 15:06.31 | Griffles | roars. |
| 15:06.40 | Griffles | And I'm sure Jademus can tell you how I feel about effort. |
| 15:06.45 | Mexa | Just to prove a point huh. |
| 15:07.35 | Clord | WCIII with 1000 players in same match to make it count as MMO game lol |
| 15:07.38 | JademusSreg | Love me some proof of concept shit. Griffen, how do you intend to handle damage? |
| 15:07.39 | Clord | I have yet to see that to happen |
| 15:07.59 | Griffles | All movement/damage/etc. would take place on the host |
| 15:08.16 | Griffles | The clients would only send orders to the host. |
| 15:08.17 | JademusSreg | Mindy never implemented attacking because of the desyncs caused by client side randomized damage values. |
| 15:08.19 | Brainshack | that poor bastards pc |
| 15:08.39 | Griffles | The host would send movement, positions, states to the clients |
| 15:08.51 | Griffles | But only for units within sight range of the player's hero |
| 15:08.58 | Griffles | Cutting down on bandwidth considerably |
| 15:09.04 | Mexa | Wouldn't RtC be able to support an huge amount of players in theory? |
| 15:09.07 | Griffles | Clients would operate at a delay, with a buffer. |
| 15:09.08 | Mexa | *a |
| 15:09.24 | Griffles | And then interpolate between the known points given by the host |
| 15:09.40 | Griffles | Actually looks really really smooth and believable assuming that lag is below the buffer delay |
| 15:09.58 | Griffles | You already have a 0.25 second delay of that kind in WC3. |
| 15:10.15 | Griffles | (On network games not LAN) |
| 15:10.47 | Griffles | So theoretically if you have low ping you could run it way better for twitch gameplay than WC3 standard |
| 15:11.42 | Griffles | Network data would probably be prohibitive for high numbers of players without a good connection for the host |
| 15:12.24 | Griffles | Say 1kB/time period, 10 times per second, that's 10kB/s, but for 1k people that's then 10 MB/s |
| 15:12.35 | Griffles | Why MMOs are expensive to run, I guess :P |
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| 15:13.02 | Griffles | 1kB per second is probably a lot higher than you'd actually need. |
| 15:13.04 | Dresnia | Hello |
| 15:13.17 | Dresnia | I am new here |
| 15:13.25 | Clord | hu Dresnia XD |
| 15:13.27 | Mexa | No you're not |
| 15:13.31 | Griffles | Say 4 4 byte variables per unit, 10 units tops at a time, that's 160 B instead |
| 15:13.32 | Griffles | Hey |
| 15:13.38 | Dresnia | Hey griffles |
| 15:13.39 | Mexa | Hi Dres |
| 15:13.43 | Dresnia | you wanna be my buddieeeeee ? |
| 15:13.46 | Griffles | No. |
| 15:13.54 | Dresnia | GO DIE IN A FIRE THEN MOTHEF |
| 15:13.59 | Dresnia | Right, afk for a smoke |
| 15:14.04 | Dresnia | Stressed me out already |
| 15:14.11 | Clord | yeah |
| 15:14.15 | Clord | you should quit smoking then |
| 15:14.27 | Dustin | NEVAR |
| 15:15.10 | Mexa | Note to self: Do not folget Liberty.SC2Mod. |
| 15:15.13 | Mexa | *forget |
| 15:15.27 | Nash|327 | IT IS A DRESNIAFACE |
| 15:15.37 | Mexa | It just left |
| 15:15.49 | JademusSreg | Mindy was going to make a survival type game, but never even got around to the host-side damage shit, so all we could do in his demo map was run around like imbeciles. |
| 15:16.07 | JademusSreg | Still, for a proof of concept, it was goddamn awesome. |
| 15:16.08 | Nash|327 | host-side damage shit? |
| 15:16.09 | burne- | haha dresnia is forever alone |
| 15:16.10 | burne- | :D |
| 15:16.18 | Mexa | He got it working for 255 players tho. |
| 15:16.54 | Nash|327 | Working on Dark Templar D: |
| 15:16.59 | burne- | I hate it how work drains all my powers |
| 15:17.04 | burne- | im super tired again |
| 15:17.09 | Nash|327 | One of the coolest classes. |
| 15:17.18 | burne- | hunger wins just barely over my tiredness |
| 15:17.20 | Griffles | Anyway, my idea should work, right Jademus? |
| 15:17.25 | burne- | so I have to buy something to eat |
| 15:17.26 | burne- | :( |
| 15:18.02 | JademusSreg | It should. |
| 15:18.13 | JademusSreg | To the limits of my knowledge. |
| 15:19.23 | Griffles | Huzzah |
| 15:19.26 | Griffles | Now that's established |
| 15:19.33 | Griffles | I don't actually have to make it |
| 15:19.43 | Dresnia | I R THE FACE |
| 15:19.45 | Griffles | And you can help me plan a map with time travel in it |
| 15:19.47 | Dresnia | THE DRES FACE |
| 15:19.48 | JademusSreg | Of course, any usual randomness, like damage from attacks, miss debuffs, attacking higher cliff levels, will need to be removed / prevented. |
| 15:19.54 | Griffles | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:20.05 | Griffles | EVERYTHING client side in my model would be triggered, pretty much |
| 15:20.09 | JademusSreg | Yeah. |
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| 15:20.29 | Griffles | How do you implement time travel into a map well? |
| 15:20.59 | Dresnia | easy |
| 15:21.01 | JademusSreg | Well, Achron is a nice proof of concept for that. Have you seen the tech demo or preview for that game? |
| 15:21.02 | Dresnia | make backups |
| 15:21.05 | Dresnia | load older versions |
| 15:21.11 | Griffles | Achron that one with time travel? |
| 15:21.16 | JademusSreg | Yeah. |
| 15:21.32 | Griffles | Link? |
| 15:21.40 | Griffles | nm |
| 15:21.42 | Griffles | Spelt it wrong |
| 15:22.04 | Griffles | Dresnia, how does that help with the design of the game...? |
| 15:22.11 | Dresnia | I'm just bored man |
| 15:22.14 | Dresnia | Don't mind me |
| 15:22.20 | Dresnia | foreveralonesadface.jpg |
| 15:22.37 | Griffles | Hmm... |
| 15:22.43 | Griffles | Cooldowns would be a big issue |
| 15:22.52 | JademusSreg | Dresnia usually says random things concerning topics about which he knows nothing. |
| 15:23.09 | JademusSreg | And he has said as much. |
| 15:23.42 | Nash|327 | well back to data editor |
| 15:23.45 | Nash|327 | zug zug |
| 15:23.52 | Dustin | Nash |
| 15:24.02 | Dustin | Are you a Data Editor pimp? |
| 15:24.04 | JademusSreg | Cooldowns would be an issue in your model, yes. Unless you feel like scripting that somehow as well. |
| 15:24.09 | Dresnia | Well sometimes I do help out you know |
| 15:24.13 | Dresnia | If I'm in the mood |
| 15:24.19 | Nash|327 | I am no kind of pimp. |
| 15:24.30 | Dresnia | Yes you are |
| 15:24.34 | Dustin | Data Editor hoe? |
| 15:24.36 | Dresnia | Kittenbagpimp |
| 15:24.51 | Dresnia | well back to terrain editor |
| 15:24.54 | Dresnia | zug zug |
| 15:25.00 | JademusSreg | Then you'll just communicate it as part of the object state when the object is in vision range. |
| 15:25.01 | Dustin | Do you know anything about Periodic Offsets |
| 15:25.05 | Nash|327 | I am not a garden tool. |
| 15:25.06 | Nash|327 | D_D |
| 15:25.22 | Dresnia | hoe is whore |
| 15:25.30 | JademusSreg | But that only works if you can figure out a convincing way to script cooldown. |
| 15:25.59 | Nash|327 | wtf are periodic offsets |
| 15:26.06 | Dustin | God damnit you're useless |
| 15:26.14 | Dustin | Jademus |
| 15:26.23 | Nash|327 | Good, then I can focus on my own map D_D |
| 15:26.33 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 15:26.37 | Griffles | Achron looks cool |
| 15:26.45 | Griffles | But not really looking like that |
| 15:26.50 | Griffles | Can't code cooldowns |
| 15:26.52 | Griffles | Without making it sucks. |
| 15:26.54 | Griffles | *suck |
| 15:27.32 | JademusSreg | I'll get to ya in a moment Dustin. =) |
| 15:27.47 | JademusSreg | Well, you can ditch cooldown and resort to using cast times. |
| 15:28.25 | JademusSreg | And cast times can be scripted pretty well, but it's not cooldown. |
| 15:30.31 | Griffles | Hmm... |
| 15:30.32 | Griffles | True |
| 15:30.39 | Griffles | Cast times also have nice properties |
| 15:30.50 | Griffles | If you, say, give every unit in the game a 100% 0.01 second bash |
| 15:31.34 | JademusSreg | Alright, Dustin, Periodic Offset for which data type? |
| 15:33.45 | Dustin | Missile Launch Effect |
| 15:34.21 | Mexa | Griffles, http://www.achrongame.com/site/gameplay-videos.php |
| 15:35.57 | Dustin | Im applying a Persistant effect that runs a set effect that runs 4 launch missile effects |
| 15:36.45 | Dustin | And I cant get the damn offsets to go left,right,up,down |
| 15:37.46 | JademusSreg | You've seen the Leviathan - Spawn Brood Lord persistent effect, yes? |
| 15:38.16 | Sevenix | what anchor do you use? |
| 15:38.29 | Sevenix | or wait.. missiles.. |
| 15:38.35 | Dustin | I have not |
| 15:38.38 | Dustin | the missiles work fine |
| 15:39.01 | Dustin | But they travel northeast, northwest, southeast, southwest |
| 15:39.48 | JademusSreg | Wish I could see what you've got; data is too broad to guess what is wrong. |
| 15:40.10 | JademusSreg | Anyway, if you have the campaign dependency, you will notice the data entry I mentioned above. |
| 15:40.27 | JademusSreg | It uses periodic offsets (6,1,0) and (-6,1,0). |
| 15:40.59 | JademusSreg | They This causes the Leviathan to eject two boord lord eggs diagonally, toward the rear, iirc. |
| 15:41.08 | JademusSreg | "They This" hah. |
| 15:43.45 | JademusSreg | But like I said, it's easy to mess up data, so I can't just guess what's wrong. |
| 15:44.35 | Brainshack | so i have this shockwave ability (http://rileystarcraft.blogspot.com/2010/05/tutorial-how-to-create-shockwave.html) which basically just is a periodic effect which applies a effect set with offsets to make it move forward. is it possible to scale up the applied effects with each period? |
| 15:44.57 | Brainshack | :> |
| 15:45.22 | JademusSreg | Sounds like you'd need to make a chain of different effects. |
| 15:45.38 | JademusSreg | One launching the other. |
| 15:45.56 | Brainshack | hmm |
| 15:45.57 | Brainshack | okay :( |
| 15:45.58 | Ech0__ | hey |
| 15:46.11 | Ech0__ | what's up Brainshack? |
| 15:46.32 | Brainshack | do i know you? |
| 15:46.39 | Ech0__ | no, just saying hey :) |
| 15:47.01 | Brainshack | okay |
| 15:47.02 | Brainshack | so |
| 15:47.03 | Brainshack | hey! |
| 15:47.39 | Ech0__ | yeah, from what i've seen |
| 15:47.51 | Mexa | Griffles, off you went to the shadows of lurking? |
| 15:47.51 | Ech0__ | the Effect (Damage) is pretty limited when doind complex stuff |
| 15:48.01 | Ech0__ | doing* |
| 15:48.22 | Brainshack | well it applies damage |
| 15:48.28 | Brainshack | what else would you want it to do?^^ |
| 15:48.40 | Ech0__ | i'd like to see manipulation using formulas |
| 15:49.06 | Ech0__ | to get more extravagent damage effects |
| 15:49.13 | JademusSreg | Haha, that would be nice. |
| 15:49.31 | JademusSreg | You can perform a rudimentary logic using the Switch effect. |
| 15:49.50 | JademusSreg | The Baneling explosion is a great example of this in practice. |
| 15:49.55 | Ech0__ | i've yet to learn about the Swift Effect, i've only been doing sc2 mapdev for 1 day |
| 15:50.26 | Ech0__ | i've only played with elementary effects |
| 15:51.25 | Mexa | Do anyone have an idea what this means? <info id="CommentatorBot1" types="A,B,D,Un,UpP,UpR,W"/> |
| 15:51.55 | JademusSreg | Neato. |
| 15:51.59 | Mexa | It's the default "insert info" on text- |
| 15:52.00 | JademusSreg | Where did you find it? |
| 15:52.07 | Mexa | Text editor |
| 15:52.25 | JademusSreg | It's data editor reference. |
| 15:52.56 | Mexa | But a data reference is like <d ref=""/> |
| 15:53.00 | Mexa | By default |
| 15:53.04 | JademusSreg | Default, so it's probably Artosis Bot. |
| 15:53.24 | Mexa | The option exists in the menubar on the top |
| 15:53.32 | Mexa | Data->Insert-><some options> |
| 15:54.06 | Mexa | New Line, Image, Hotkey, data, info, keys |
| 15:54.33 | Mexa | Also, if it were a data reference, what does it point at |
| 15:54.33 | Mexa | ? |
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| 15:54.44 | Triceron | Ahoy! |
| 15:56.12 | JademusSreg | Dunno. |
| 15:56.17 | JademusSreg | Hi Tri. |
| 15:57.17 | Mexa | the same with keys |
| 15:57.19 | Mexa | I have no idea |
| 15:57.37 | Mexa | <k val="AIAssault" count="0"/> was set by default |
| 15:57.58 | Mexa | it displays [] in a teal color. |
| 15:58.16 | JademusSreg | "She'll be engaged in "almost every battle" in Heart of the Swarm, jumping from planet to planet via massive Zerg Leviathan, reclaiming her broods." As I expected, another Brood War. |
| 15:58.59 | Ech0__ | ? |
| 15:59.07 | Triceron | Well considering the first mission set is called 'War for the Brood' |
| 15:59.14 | JademusSreg | Also, maybe the Leviathans and Behemoths will make appearances. I'd love a Behemoth / Zerg Hive terrain texture set. |
| 15:59.22 | Triceron | Leviathans do |
| 15:59.24 | Triceron | it's your HQ |
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| 15:59.43 | Triceron | it's the big cave thing you see with Kerrigan and the two cronies |
| 15:59.51 | Triceron | that's like the mouth of the Leviathan |
| 16:00.13 | Dustin | Dude HOTS is gonna be awesome |
| 16:00.21 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 16:00.24 | Dustin | gonna be like a SC2 Diablo campaign |
| 16:00.30 | Triceron | I like the ice tileset |
| 16:00.35 | JademusSreg | But by appearance, I meant on the battlefield, under your control. |
| 16:00.39 | Triceron | but I want to see what updates to the Galaxy Editor they're making |
| 16:00.52 | JademusSreg | Unlock Leviathan tech, yes please. |
| 16:00.56 | Triceron | well |
| 16:01.05 | Triceron | we never really got to use the Hyperion at all in WoL |
| 16:01.54 | Triceron | I think they'll prolly just keep it super simple and play out the Kerrigan RPG aspect |
| 16:02.41 | Triceron | wait, was the zerg boss thing in one of the second-last WoL missions a leviathan? |
| 16:03.08 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 16:03.38 | JademusSreg | And it's in either the second to last or last, depending on which mission you chose. |
| 16:05.40 | Stewox | i hope there is in HOTS: |
| 16:05.45 | Stewox | - engine updates |
| 16:05.52 | Stewox | - galaxy upgrades |
| 16:06.03 | Stewox | - CPU optimizations |
| 16:06.18 | Triceron | there's an engine update, yes |
| 16:06.38 | Stewox | - bnet mod support |
| 16:06.41 | Triceron | I think Sixen mentioned that the beta will usher in the new engine |
| 16:06.44 | Stewox | - mod publishing support * |
| 16:06.46 | Triceron | marketplace is also coming |
| 16:06.53 | Triceron | before or shortly before HOTS |
| 16:07.16 | Stewox | - fixed Footprint editor |
| 16:07.38 | Triceron | do mods not work over bnet right now or what? |
| 16:07.42 | Stewox | - extended Overview Manager functionalits (useless currently - you can't edit anythign) |
| 16:07.42 | JademusSreg | "Corruption Kerrigan can cast Spawn Broodlings, which instantly kills a target and spawns five Broodlings from its corpse, and Corrosive Spores, an acidic attack that deals damage to a target area." Spawn Broodlings ala SC1 is back. <3 |
| 16:07.43 | Triceron | they should work right? |
| 16:08.14 | Triceron | there's an upgrade for zerglings too |
| 16:08.19 | Triceron | where they have a chance of spawning broodling on death |
| 16:08.28 | JademusSreg | Yup. |
| 16:08.36 | JademusSreg | The campaign is looking pretty sweet. |
| 16:08.49 | Triceron | now I kinda want to see a 'singleplayer' multiplayer version of SC2 |
| 16:09.18 | Triceron | Terrans with all their upgrades from WoL vs Zerg and all their upgrades in HOTS and then Protoss get their update later on |
| 16:09.29 | Triceron | completely imba |
| 16:10.12 | Stewox | you can't publish mods , players cannot download mods , that would affect anything else ... for example you could publish mods which through the BNET system would modify ALL OFFICIAL (DEFAUL) BLIZZARD MAPS conviniently ... and perhaps OTHER custom maps which have SPECIFIC code present in their maps which tell the MOD they support it and BNET being a bridge to show lists ...etc it would be great |
| 16:10.32 | Stewox | i mean you can publish mods ... just they're unusable practically |
| 16:10.43 | Stewox | only MAPS appear on lists |
| 16:10.54 | Triceron | oh, interesting |
| 16:10.57 | Triceron | I never knew about that |
| 16:11.20 | Stewox | that was an idea |
| 16:11.20 | Triceron | but mods still come attached to maps if you use a map with dependancies right? |
| 16:11.28 | Stewox | yes ofcourse |
| 16:11.39 | Triceron | hmm |
| 16:11.40 | Stewox | that just works if 2 guys talk together to share/link space |
| 16:11.49 | Stewox | but it's not like global for BNET |
| 16:12.16 | Stewox | if you put a MOD up ... you can't use it until u have a map to host the mod |
| 16:12.16 | Triceron | so can you access a mod otherwise? |
| 16:12.23 | Stewox | only you |
| 16:12.25 | Stewox | nobody else |
| 16:12.29 | Triceron | Hmmm, interesting |
| 16:12.32 | Triceron | I never knew all that! |
| 16:12.45 | Stewox | or a friend ... host if you forward to other regions |
| 16:12.46 | Triceron | Damn, I always thought mods were available to all |
| 16:12.50 | Ech0__ | wow |
| 16:13.01 | Ech0__ | these HOTS articles are cool |
| 16:13.11 | Triceron | how are people getting stuff from L2D map? Isn't that all packed in a mod? |
| 16:13.24 | Triceron | I guess it's from the map itself? |
| 16:13.25 | Stewox | ONE THING I FORGOT - CUSTOM MAPS MODS REGION UNLOCK! |
| 16:13.53 | Triceron | I really hope they aren't going to do a premium service |
| 16:13.58 | Triceron | but I have a feeling they would do it |
| 16:14.05 | Stewox | because this is so stupid we have to have so many versions of same stuff ... and friends and (potential leakers) to forward host our stuff elsewhere |
| 16:14.41 | Triceron | yeah, getting multiple copies is just ridiculous |
| 16:15.18 | Stewox | - better locking system for maps |
| 16:15.30 | Stewox | how many things i listed i want fixed after HOTS ... |
| 16:15.43 | Stewox | like 10 already and many more i can't recall now |
| 16:16.16 | Stewox | there's no COMPILING for mods/maps that ... u know "client versions" |
| 16:17.13 | Stewox | they only remove trigger GUI - there's a simple tweak to open the map anyways - and the ACTUAL galaxy file is unencrypted ... so you can steal whatever you want basically ZERO effort except time |
| 16:18.12 | Triceron | agreed |
| 16:18.25 | Triceron | it's a major issue that needs to be addressed |
| 16:18.59 | Mexa | Stewox, but if the mod is public, you can access it through the editor. |
| 16:19.18 | JademusSreg | Yup. |
| 16:19.35 | Stewox | they made a bnet mod less system for a purpose - it makes all TC mods basically undoable |
| 16:19.43 | JademusSreg | I'd really like to see region lock on custom maps and games removed. |
| 16:20.48 | Stewox | Id like to see a MOD loader - load mod or (any dependency) and use on any official blizzard map -- if they first make it for local use only it doesn't matter they can expand later |
| 16:21.23 | Stewox | conviniently the mod loader would detect all maps and u would select which maps you want the current mod loaded to apply :) |
| 16:21.57 | Triceron | that sounds a bit archaic to me |
| 16:22.14 | Stewox | the mod loader would work from inside the bnet ... which gives opportunity to expand it as i mentioned ... but they wouldn't do it outside bnet anyways ... no TC mod support as we speak |
| 16:22.44 | Triceron | you're talking about loading a mod, then choosing maps you want it tied to |
| 16:23.03 | Stewox | mhm |
| 16:23.03 | Triceron | rather than the current system of having a map and making a dependancy |
| 16:23.06 | Stewox | im talking about ingame |
| 16:23.08 | Stewox | not about editor |
| 16:23.18 | Triceron | that's even more confusing |
| 16:23.24 | Triceron | mods contain assets |
| 16:23.33 | Stewox | im talking about an EXTRA feature here |
| 16:23.35 | Triceron | they don't exactly swap stuff in and out on a whim |
| 16:24.19 | Triceron | so for example |
| 16:24.27 | Stewox | well that's their problem they're not good programmers i seen |
| 16:24.35 | Stewox | but it's not a problem for official blizz maps |
| 16:24.49 | Triceron | like a Zergling mdel replacement mod that changes them to attack dogs. You want to be able to load that mod for any given map you play? |
| 16:24.49 | Stewox | so like u go into MODS menu in BNET |
| 16:25.06 | Stewox | yes ... now listen |
| 16:25.10 | Stewox | you get into that menu |
| 16:25.21 | Stewox | separate from everything else |
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| 16:25.32 | Stewox | u have a list / browser |
| 16:25.37 | Stewox | sub menus |
| 16:25.40 | Stewox | LOCAL |
| 16:25.41 | Stewox | and BNET |
| 16:26.00 | Stewox | on LOCAL there would be a list of your own mods (sc2mod or dependency , whatever you call them) |
| 16:26.23 | Stewox | on BNET menu there would be all published mods from other people just like is currently with maps |
| 16:26.36 | Stewox | you would download those mods |
| 16:26.44 | Stewox | and select which one you wanna load |
| 16:26.52 | Stewox | the one that's loaded |
| 16:26.55 | Triceron | assuming they're free |
| 16:26.57 | Triceron | for use |
| 16:27.12 | Stewox | would take effect on ANY blizzard multiplayer map |
| 16:27.36 | Stewox | you would then go in another submenu for playing , host an official map you want |
| 16:27.44 | Triceron | but that's also assuming these mods are TC-style |
| 16:27.59 | Stewox | and people with the SAME mod loaded would see your game in their browser |
| 16:28.09 | Triceron | otherwise, why would you want a bunch of unused assets tied to any blizzard multiplayer map? |
| 16:28.22 | Triceron | the assets added by a mod are usually new and specific |
| 16:28.23 | Stewox | listen ... unitl im done , i don't have time reading that now |
| 16:28.24 | Triceron | not replacements |
| 16:28.37 | Dresnia | OH LOOK GUYS ITS STEWOX HAVING EPIC DISCUSSIONS |
| 16:28.38 | Dresnia | HI |
| 16:28.49 | Triceron | it's an ideal situation IF mods are intended to be replacements. However, this is not the case |
| 16:28.53 | Stewox | so the mod menu would have it's own Join and Create game options |
| 16:29.25 | Triceron | I don't think you fully understand what a mod is or the intention of its use :/ |
| 16:29.25 | A1win | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvt0ViRaM9c |
| 16:29.47 | Stewox | so this woudl be the system to have your mods actually affect more maps without uploading so many maps which is impossible for TC mods also |
| 16:29.47 | Triceron | you seem to be talking about something completely specific and niche |
| 16:30.03 | Triceron | TC mods would not have to replace SC2 units |
| 16:30.15 | Triceron | you can make a TC without replacing a single SC2 unit |
| 16:30.35 | Stewox | blizzard official maps because >>> they're default unmodded maps , easiest way for compatability ... no problems |
| 16:30.53 | Stewox | now i'll read what you said ... man this idea evolved just as i was writting hehe |
| 16:31.22 | Stewox | it's not assuming they HAVE to be TC mods , it will be GOOD for TC mods also ... for any mod |
| 16:31.42 | Triceron | Mods are simply assets packaged |
| 16:31.57 | Stewox | what assets packaged ? |
| 16:32.04 | Triceron | any assets you choose to upload |
| 16:32.10 | Triceron | be it sound, models, images |
| 16:32.21 | Triceron | or even some coding I figure |
| 16:32.26 | Stewox | xml , scripts , localization ... |
| 16:32.28 | Triceron | xml script |
| 16:32.32 | Stewox | yes |
| 16:32.34 | Stewox | everything |
| 16:32.37 | Triceron | what you are suggesting |
| 16:32.38 | Stewox | what's the point ? |
| 16:32.51 | Triceron | would only apply if it replaes existing SC2 assets |
| 16:33.00 | Stewox | emmm |
| 16:33.01 | Triceron | otherwise, loading a mod does nothing to existing maps |
| 16:33.02 | Stewox | mod is a mod |
| 16:33.22 | Triceron | like I said, you don't understand what a mod does |
| 16:33.25 | Triceron | it doesn't replace |
| 16:33.26 | Triceron | it adds |
| 16:33.35 | Triceron | unless you have a mod that specifically replaces |
| 16:33.50 | Stewox | you are talking about the systme that's not made for what im talking about |
| 16:33.59 | Stewox | this is the MOD LOADER's job to do this |
| 16:34.01 | Triceron | if I make a Warcraft Mod, I'm essentially adding Warcraft assets. |
| 16:34.14 | Stewox | and that's blizzard programmers job to make one |
| 16:34.26 | Triceron | It doesn't affect any current maps that don't specifically use the custom assets |
| 16:34.33 | Stewox | doesn't matter |
| 16:34.37 | Stewox | im talking about MOD LOADER |
| 16:34.55 | Triceron | It's an archaic idea |
| 16:35.05 | Stewox | mod loeader does not have anything to do with how maps work |
| 16:35.13 | Stewox | just an injector of data , wala |
| 16:35.29 | Stewox | whatever the map has , get's overwritten |
| 16:35.36 | Triceron | that's like saying they should make the map editor real-time |
| 16:35.46 | Stewox | nope |
| 16:35.50 | Stewox | map editor real time ? |
| 16:36.04 | Triceron | like being able to edit a map in-game |
| 16:36.23 | Triceron | how else will you change assets of existing maps only through a mod? |
| 16:37.01 | Triceron | are you talking about current MODS or something completely different? |
| 16:37.16 | Triceron | because mods don't work like that |
| 16:38.20 | Triceron | even if you have a loader that adds dependencies to any map you choose, there's nothing that ties them together. A Mod could be a bunch of campaign sound files packaged up. |
| 16:38.44 | Stewox | lol |
| 16:38.51 | Stewox | you don't understand the system |
| 16:39.03 | Stewox | that's why it takes official blizzard multiplayer maps |
| 16:39.04 | Triceron | the current system |
| 16:39.06 | Triceron | or your system? |
| 16:39.12 | Stewox | my system |
| 16:39.34 | Stewox | those MODs would obviously be CREATED just for that in mind |
| 16:39.47 | Stewox | ofcourse a Campaign mod wouldn't do anything |
| 16:40.05 | Stewox | again |
| 16:40.07 | Stewox | that's why it takes official blizzard multiplayer maps |
| 16:40.10 | Triceron | you're talking about UT style Mutators then? |
| 16:40.24 | Stewox | so everybody knows on what they have to base their mods , on default un-modded maps |
| 16:40.39 | Stewox | yeah |
| 16:40.40 | Stewox | maybe |
| 16:40.51 | Triceron | stuff like 'big head mode' that applies to all |
| 16:41.05 | Stewox | but those mutators don't apply to multiple maps |
| 16:41.09 | Stewox | or they do ? |
| 16:41.14 | Stewox | in a map rotation ? |
| 16:41.19 | Triceron | most mod content wouldn't apply to multiple maps anyways. |
| 16:41.22 | Triceron | that's what I'm getting at. |
| 16:41.34 | Stewox | yes ... you have to get |
| 16:41.35 | Triceron | mods are there for you to add extra content to existing maps |
| 16:41.37 | Triceron | not replace |
| 16:41.46 | Stewox | that im not talking about current mods ... or just any random mods |
| 16:41.53 | Stewox | and that im not talking about custom maps |
| 16:42.10 | Stewox | those mods would take effect on blizzard official maps (default unmodded) |
| 16:42.11 | Triceron | and even if there were systems in place to make it so you could replace... why do it that way when you can add it instead? |
| 16:42.17 | Stewox | which is very feasible |
| 16:42.20 | Stewox | and very easily |
| 16:42.47 | Triceron | yes but that's assuming that TC is going to use minerals and gas |
| 16:42.51 | Triceron | and xel'naga watch towers |
| 16:42.59 | Triceron | ultimately it doesn't really make sense to me. |
| 16:43.06 | Triceron | if I make a TC, it's gonna be a TC. |
| 16:43.19 | Stewox | that's when we get to another part |
| 16:43.23 | Triceron | it's going to have nothing to do with SC2, because that's the power of the engine |
| 16:43.24 | Stewox | the editor TC mod support |
| 16:43.28 | Triceron | you CAN change everything out |
| 16:43.38 | Triceron | so why would I want to use an official Blizzard map? |
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| 16:44.05 | Stewox | im talking about 1.0 version - first try |
| 16:44.15 | Stewox | they can expand this system to custom maps ofcourse |
| 16:44.19 | Stewox | later |
| 16:44.37 | Triceron | but this system almost exclusively supports mods that will se Blizzard maps. |
| 16:44.43 | Stewox | i don't have my head large enough or 3 keabords and 2 PCs to type fast enough to explain u every detail |
| 16:45.01 | Triceron | or are dependant on being used by SC2-esque setups |
| 16:45.21 | Stewox | at first |
| 16:45.22 | Triceron | if I were to make 3 new races that used minerals and gas |
| 16:45.25 | Triceron | then sure |
| 16:45.34 | Triceron | a system like this perfectly fits for my 3-new-race mod |
| 16:45.45 | Stewox | only blizzard maps , if they want to release it before they finsih it . thats the EASIEST functionality |
| 16:45.58 | Stewox | yes |
| 16:46.00 | Stewox | exactly |
| 16:46.01 | Triceron | but if I were to make a Command and Conquer mod? If I wanted to make a Warcraft mod? Diablo mod? |
| 16:46.14 | Triceron | that system would not apply at all. |
| 16:46.18 | JademusSreg | Those would be terrible. =D |
| 16:46.34 | Stewox | do you even realize how many mods could this take advantage , all those small improvmeances |
| 16:46.43 | Stewox | all those misculaneous and stuff that get's overlooked |
| 16:46.45 | Triceron | yes, i have an idea |
| 16:46.49 | Triceron | and it's VERY SMALL. |
| 16:46.52 | Stewox | small utilites ... |
| 16:46.58 | Triceron | it's a grand idea that suppports a niche |
| 16:47.00 | Stewox | UI enhancements |
| 16:47.09 | Stewox | balance tweaks |
| 16:47.12 | Stewox | you name it |
| 16:47.24 | Triceron | you can do that already with existing mods |
| 16:47.52 | Stewox | full TC mod support can come later atleadt im thinking in this way if i was blizzard (you release what it's ...start with easiest) |
| 16:48.01 | Stewox | yes |
| 16:48.09 | Stewox | but you have to have a custom map uploaded |
| 16:48.13 | Triceron | this sort of idea only really works if you want to change Starcraft 2 subtly. |
| 16:48.17 | Stewox | that takes a slot off your BNET limit |
| 16:48.18 | Triceron | like add big heads to all your units |
| 16:48.26 | Stewox | and takes MB off your bnet size limit |
| 16:48.38 | Triceron | or change the sounds of your unit speech |
| 16:48.51 | Stewox | you have to have a map+mod for ever map :> |
| 16:48.52 | Triceron | but the problem with this is it's all going to be very niche |
| 16:49.21 | Stewox | why NOT |
| 16:49.28 | Stewox | i don't care about popularity |
| 16:50.03 | Stewox | and im not saying full TC mod stytem |
| 16:50.08 | Stewox | because blizzard will never do that |
| 16:50.27 | Stewox | full TC mod system will remain unofficial - hacking the game |
| 16:50.33 | Stewox | and offline only |
| 16:50.57 | Triceron | this mod system would still be considered non-ranking, like any other custom game |
| 16:51.09 | Stewox | ofcourse |
| 16:51.16 | Stewox | i don't care about ranking |
| 16:51.16 | Triceron | and most people would want these slight balance changes BUT still play on ladder |
| 16:51.20 | Stewox | dont' play that |
| 16:51.25 | Griffles | roars. |
| 16:51.27 | Triceron | and it's not going to happen that way |
| 16:51.59 | Stewox | a lot of people don't care about ladders |
| 16:52.14 | Triceron | and they are the niche :/ |
| 16:52.20 | Stewox | who cares ? |
| 16:52.27 | Stewox | i don't |
| 16:52.29 | Triceron | the guy who has to create this system |
| 16:52.41 | Stewox | im talking aboud a system that's gonna benefit the modding community - like here |
| 16:52.52 | Triceron | I won't argue that |
| 16:52.56 | Triceron | I can see its benefit |
| 16:53.05 | Triceron | Dawn of War has a similar modding system |
| 16:53.10 | Stewox | im not blizzard - i don't need to maximize popularity |
| 16:53.18 | Triceron | and DoWpro was one of the most successful balance mods out there |
| 16:53.29 | JademusSreg | I expect such support for mods will never be implemented. |
| 16:53.42 | Triceron | but KNOWING the way current mods work |
| 16:53.50 | Stewox | because blizzard is just really slow witht their programming stuff |
| 16:54.00 | Stewox | who the heck develops bnet |
| 16:54.00 | Triceron | you're just adding a system that says F-U to all the non-Blizzard Map complient mods. |
| 16:54.40 | Stewox | then u make a better system that can take any mod and merge it with any mode with any map |
| 16:54.48 | Stewox | stop talking shit already |
| 16:54.52 | Stewox | it's an idea |
| 16:54.56 | Stewox | it can get improved |
| 16:54.58 | Griffles | The internet is for porn and talking shit. |
| 16:55.16 | Stewox | im talking only one part of it |
| 16:55.17 | Triceron | Well alright then |
| 16:55.29 | Triceron | you're absolutely right and there are no unfixable flaws with it |
| 16:55.40 | Stewox | Triceron |
| 16:55.59 | Stewox | do you understand that most custom maps have modifications already integrated |
| 16:56.13 | Stewox | those modifications would conflict with the mod loader |
| 16:56.36 | JademusSreg | Naw, just no incentive, stability and desync issues, and it undermines their centralized content control. For any given wish feature, you can ask "will it earn more money than it costs to develop and maintain without compromising stability or security?" |
| 16:57.06 | Stewox | a system that would merge and "ask your self which modification would take presence" and make it all work .. would be very hard so that's why im not yet even thinking about it |
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| 16:57.19 | Triceron | I can't really say it will or will not conflict with the mod loader because the mod loader is a creation of your own imagination :/ |
| 16:58.03 | Griffles | Mod loader...? |
| 16:58.09 | Griffles | What is the point of a mod loader? |
| 16:58.31 | Griffles | What are you trying to achieve? |
| 16:58.40 | Stewox | read the wall of text |
| 16:58.58 | Stewox | and a mod loader termshould be self explanable to any moder |
| 16:59.01 | Mexa | inputs coffee. |
| 16:59.14 | Griffles | The point of it isn't obvious. |
| 16:59.23 | burne- | again im hitting my head against the wall |
| 16:59.25 | burne- | cannot get new ideas |
| 16:59.26 | Griffles | Although I guess since you are facing retarded upload limits on B.nt |
| 16:59.29 | JademusSreg | I/O : coffee/urine |
| 16:59.35 | Griffles | Lol |
| 16:59.41 | Griffles | Solution: Don't play SC2 |
| 16:59.50 | Griffles | SC2 was not designed for modding. |
| 16:59.53 | Griffles | Deal with it. |
| 17:00.16 | Griffles | Problems with mod loader: |
| 17:00.19 | Griffles | - No multiplayer. |
| 17:00.25 | Griffles | - No multiplayer. |
| 17:00.30 | Griffles | - Lot of effort. |
| 17:00.44 | Griffles | - Given no multiplayer, minimal benefit. |
| 17:00.54 | Griffles | - Possibility of C&D letters. |
| 17:01.28 | burne- | well you should make the maps withing limit of bnet/editor |
| 17:01.43 | burne- | then the editor its fairly good even with its limitations |
| 17:01.56 | burne- | like maps like raynor party work quite well for sc2 |
| 17:02.22 | Stewox | Griffles you didnt' read the wall of text |
| 17:02.27 | Griffles | SCII's limitations are basically down to money grabbing |
| 17:02.36 | Griffles | Well what's the point of the mod loader? |
| 17:02.39 | Griffles | I see no point. |
| 17:02.55 | Triceron | I figure the basic idea of the mod loader is for any mod that slightly changes SC2's gameplay, or is compliant with Blizzard maps. The problem is this pretty much excludes how most mods are actually made or used, and cater to a specific type of mod, which isn't really a popular system to begin with. |
| 17:03.10 | Stewox | Griffles this discussion started a while ago |
| 17:03.16 | Stewox | it's not about a fan-made mod loader |
| 17:03.18 | Griffles | Wait, people play melee? |
| 17:03.27 | Stewox | but an official bnet integrated one |
| 17:03.34 | Griffles | lol, that wouldn't make them money. |
| 17:03.37 | Griffles | So don't hold your breath |
| 17:03.57 | Triceron | wait, so you're saying this is for NON-Fanmade mods? |
| 17:03.58 | Griffles | It's never coming. |
| 17:04.41 | Stewox | well yes |
| 17:04.54 | Stewox | that's why i was discussing making an external mod loader |
| 17:05.04 | Stewox | sixen had some ideas ...etc |
| 17:05.58 | Stewox | multiplayer is not an issue for TC mods |
| 17:06.14 | Griffles | How is it not an issue? |
| 17:06.38 | Stewox | most aren't played for mp ... like |
| 17:06.55 | Stewox | well im not recalling all examples but yep |
| 17:07.08 | JademusSreg | I expect a third party mod loader would get a user banned, besides the stability, network, and legal issues. |
| 17:07.22 | Stewox | why |
| 17:07.37 | JademusSreg | Blizzard's Bnet 2 is srs bsns; they banned people using trainers in single player. |
| 17:07.45 | Griffles | Indeed. |
| 17:07.50 | Stewox | you unplug the net ... |
| 17:07.51 | JademusSreg | They almost certainly will ban someone using a mod loader. |
| 17:08.01 | Griffles | Why would I want to unplug my internet to play a mod? |
| 17:08.07 | Triceron | he's talking about an official mod loader |
| 17:08.13 | Triceron | not an external 3rd party |
| 17:08.15 | Stewox | to make it work |
| 17:08.15 | Griffles | There is no official mod loader. |
| 17:08.19 | Griffles | There never will be most likely. |
| 17:08.31 | Triceron | he's talking about a 'what if'. That's what this discussion is about Griff. |
| 17:08.33 | Griffles | Making any discussions requiring its existence, pointless. |
| 17:08.43 | Griffles | What if they release the source code to WC3? |
| 17:09.01 | Triceron | that would be just as ideal as a mod loader :) |
| 17:09.10 | Griffles | What if Blizzard make Anitarf their new president? |
| 17:09.20 | A1win | what's the point of discussing ending a discussion ;p |
| 17:09.34 | Stewox | jademussreg |
| 17:09.39 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 17:09.41 | Stewox | you unplug the web |
| 17:09.44 | Stewox | done |
| 17:09.46 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 17:09.56 | Griffles | THe internet can be unplugged? |
| 17:10.09 | Triceron | yeah this is getting more and more retarded |
| 17:10.15 | A1win | mm there's a huge plug at north pole |
| 17:10.25 | Griffles | My internet is permanently on |
| 17:11.02 | A1win | a commentary of my map: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvt0ViRaM9c ...feedback appreciated :P |
| 17:11.08 | Stewox | i mean the ethernet cable you dummies |
| 17:11.13 | Triceron | not mine. Damned shitty ISP |
| 17:11.13 | Stewox | from your computer |
| 17:11.49 | Stewox | i remember how i fooled bnet |
| 17:11.53 | Stewox | in SP mission |
| 17:12.22 | Stewox | i couldn't do the mission on brutal (tal darim altars > terrazine map) |
| 17:12.37 | Ech0__ | that mission was difficult on brutal =( |
| 17:12.46 | Stewox | so ... what i did |
| 17:12.52 | Stewox | i pluged out the web |
| 17:12.58 | Stewox | played started sc2 |
| 17:13.12 | Stewox | played the game (loaded a fresh start of the map) |
| 17:13.14 | JademusSreg | It's not worth the inconvenience to play a total conversion that requires I disable my internet connection, which will almost certainly be of less quality and less fun than the actual game it intends to mod. And a mod loader will still be treated as a hack by Blizzard. If you're just playing in single player, then there's no reason not to make it a stand alone map. |
| 17:13.22 | Stewox | ... then i played the map offline |
| 17:13.27 | Stewox | injected a money hack |
| 17:13.36 | Stewox | then preprared the mission |
| 17:13.47 | Stewox | so it would be finished in 5 seconds |
| 17:13.48 | Stewox | saved |
| 17:13.52 | Stewox | exited sc2 |
| 17:13.55 | Stewox | pluged in the web |
| 17:13.58 | Stewox | removed hack |
| 17:14.04 | Stewox | started sc2 |
| 17:14.06 | Stewox | loaded mission |
| 17:14.08 | Stewox | played 5 sec |
| 17:14.11 | Stewox | achievement unlocked |
| 17:14.14 | Stewox | win :p |
| 17:14.25 | JademusSreg | Why would anyone hack in the campaign? |
| 17:14.28 | Ech0__ | guess you got lucky warden didnt do its sweep |
| 17:15.10 | Stewox | they wouldn't catch me with 100000 money |
| 17:15.16 | Stewox | for 5 secodns :p |
| 17:15.31 | JademusSreg | It's easy even on Brutal, which consists of a faster game speed and more upgrades for the enemy. |
| 17:15.32 | Ech0__ | you'd be surprised how fast native api can scan memory :) |
| 17:15.40 | Stewox | removed all saved games and replays of that ... to be sure |
| 17:16.16 | Ech0__ | my solution to that mission was MMM |
| 17:16.17 | Stewox | it was all done offline so no worry there |
| 17:16.32 | JademusSreg | And if you want money, mod the bank file. |
| 17:16.32 | A1win | Ech0__, so was mine :X |
| 17:16.33 | Ech0__ | warden can log information then upload it |
| 17:16.38 | Mexa | Who says they can't collect your replays and saves? |
| 17:16.49 | Stewox | but they would have to check for "unrealistic money for a given map" obviously i was full sure there's no such thing :P |
| 17:16.54 | Ech0__ | A1win: nice. |
| 17:17.04 | A1win | to most missions tbh |
| 17:17.06 | Triceron | I like the creep tumors that make creep when you kill em :D |
| 17:17.09 | Triceron | it's like... POP! |
| 17:17.15 | Triceron | splort splort splort |
| 17:17.17 | JademusSreg | I used Goliaths and Diamondbacks, until I got BCs and SVs. |
| 17:17.20 | A1win | Triceron, hehe |
| 17:18.19 | Stewox | i didn't knew about banks back tthen |
| 17:18.20 | Ech0__ | how'd you get BCs before the BC mission? |
| 17:18.36 | JademusSreg | I didn't, but I could if I wanted. |
| 17:18.36 | A1win | think he was talking overall in the campaign |
| 17:18.48 | Ech0__ | oh |
| 17:18.51 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 17:19.29 | Stewox | i did only one .. terrazine map was really hard i went 6 TIMES for serious and i probably was playing it 15 times total , just couldn't get the brutal achievement |
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| 17:19.57 | Ech0__ | yeah, i remember that being quite difficult |
| 17:20.15 | JademusSreg | Stew, I used Goliath mass. |
| 17:20.22 | Ech0__ | tried that, didnt work |
| 17:20.24 | JademusSreg | Just Goliaths and SCVs. |
| 17:20.25 | A1win | had to save/load a few times but it wasn't *that* hard |
| 17:20.33 | Stewox | jade |
| 17:20.38 | Vail | im in love..... |
| 17:20.44 | Stewox | i used every shit i can think of , i watched videos after videos |
| 17:20.45 | Ech0__ | goliaths are so freaking expensive |
| 17:21.03 | JademusSreg | People made videos of campaign maps? Haha |
| 17:21.07 | Ech0__ | i just went MMM, beat it so quickly =) |
| 17:21.17 | Triceron | yeah marines are OP |
| 17:21.18 | Stewox | jademus |
| 17:21.25 | Stewox | videos of everything of starcraft 2 there is |
| 17:21.32 | JademusSreg | Anyway, MMM is always strong, I can't argue, but I didn't want to do that the entuire campaign again. |
| 17:21.34 | Stewox | tons of brutal and hard replays |
| 17:21.38 | Stewox | watched by thousands |
| 17:22.17 | JademusSreg | Anyway, I figured it would be fun to play mech the entire campaign. |
| 17:22.20 | A1win | the last mission was tough without the nydus worms :P I gave up and returned to the previous missions to change it back to nydus worms and then beat it with siege tanks |
| 17:22.30 | Ech0__ | if i want a beam animation to be directed towards the ground, rather than the unit taking damage, how can that be done? |
| 17:22.44 | Stewox | when i play singleplayer i have a totally different midset and totally different strategy |
| 17:22.53 | Triceron | the last mission was fun vs nydus wyrms |
| 17:22.59 | Triceron | I don't think I'd beat it with ai |
| 17:23.00 | Stewox | i don't use MP tactcis in SP ... i dont' even know them , don't play as terran in MP , |
| 17:23.01 | JademusSreg | A1, I killed the nydus network, then had to face air. |
| 17:23.04 | Triceron | vs air |
| 17:23.12 | JademusSreg | Which turned out to be not terribly difficult. |
| 17:23.27 | JademusSreg | A mass of BCs and SVs kills pretty much everything forevah. |
| 17:23.29 | Triceron | don't they mass broodlords and stuff? |
| 17:23.38 | Ech0__ | yeah they do |
| 17:23.38 | A1win | mm heard about the BC tactic afterwards :P |
| 17:23.43 | A1win | didn't think of it for some reason |
| 17:23.46 | Ech0__ | i dealt with them using mass hive mind emulators |
| 17:23.59 | Ech0__ | got several pages of brood lords and mutas |
| 17:24.22 | JademusSreg | Science Vessels make everything better, repair beam is just sooo good. |
| 17:24.39 | Stewox | mhm used that throughout the campaing too |
| 17:25.06 | Stewox | they have slow energy regneration makes them vurnable if not used like 4 of them |
| 17:25.55 | Ech0__ | i have a beam animation which i want to be directed towards the ground, rather than the unit taking damage, any ideas? |
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| 17:26.55 | Vail | thats some microing skill i never use the HME its manual targting make its a pain |
| 17:27.16 | Ech0__ | i see |
| 17:28.08 | JademusSreg | I got SVs and it was like this scene: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCIP9Aby6i4#t=298s |
| 17:28.15 | Ech0__ | im basically trying to control the direction of the beam |
| 17:28.59 | Vail | i used to know how to do that Ech0_ |
| 17:29.17 | JademusSreg | (I'd use 1 SV for every 2 BCs.) |
| 17:29.18 | Ech0__ | =/ |
| 17:29.45 | Vail | its been months since ive touched the editor i only even thought to come back because of Heart of the Swarm |
| 17:30.30 | Ech0__ | ah, well im almost in the same boat, i only came because i started doing some map dev a day or two ago, for the first time |
| 17:30.34 | Vail | i read the ariticle on mapster and i was jaw to floor on how right i was so far about the story... |
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| 17:31.55 | Vail | anyway... i think its in the actors Ech0_ you may want to look up the tutrorials on them by ProzaicMuze. |
| 17:32.36 | Vail | just dont get a head of your self. |
| 17:32.47 | Ech0__ | lol |
| 17:33.01 | Ech0__ | i rather just get some documenation rather than tutorials |
| 17:33.17 | Ech0__ | i only know what a few of the basic actors are from reading examples |
| 17:33.18 | Vail | i see. |
| 17:33.38 | Ech0__ | im sure if i knew about more of the obscure actors, it would be a problem |
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| 17:38.17 | Triceron | Can you shoot the beam at an invisible unit |
| 17:38.27 | Triceron | and be able to control the invisible unit location/movement? |
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| 17:39.24 | Triceron | that's sort of how one of the diablo movement tutorial works, spawning tons of invisible units and using them as targets. |
| 17:39.32 | Ech0__ | i guess how that could work |
| 17:40.03 | Ech0__ | i guess that could work* |
| 17:40.29 | Ech0__ | i always thought it had something to do with the target fields |
| 17:44.44 | Triceron | wow, one of the lead producers from Dawn of War is now owrking on HOTS |
| 17:51.24 | Bibendus | whats hots |
| 17:51.29 | Bibendus | already heard of it |
| 17:58.04 | Dresnia | the new expansion on SC2 |
| 17:58.07 | Dresnia | and hello Ech0__ |
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| 18:00.09 | burne- | heart of the shit |
| 18:02.14 | Ech0__ | hell Dresnia :) |
| 18:02.21 | Ech0__ | hello* :S |
| 18:03.21 | Dresnia | =p |
| 18:03.28 | Dresnia | burne- : why so mad man |
| 18:03.30 | Dresnia | you no loving |
| 18:03.33 | Bibendus | oh ye |
| 18:03.35 | Bibendus | heart of the swarm |
| 18:03.36 | Bibendus | i m idiot :P |
| 18:03.44 | JademusSreg | Hahaha |
| 18:03.50 | burne- | im not mad |
| 18:04.03 | burne- | felt like being original and funny |
| 18:05.27 | Dresnia | burne- |
| 18:05.30 | Dresnia | you are never funny |
| 18:05.39 | burne- | muahahha |
| 18:05.48 | burne- | I dont need to be funny cause im so awesome |
| 18:06.06 | Dresnia | you even copy paste your jokes :-( |
| 18:06.44 | Dresnia | And why does youtube bug at evenings |
| 18:06.47 | Dresnia | it goes slowmooo |
| 18:06.55 | burne- | cause you are not awesome |
| 18:06.57 | burne- | it works for me |
| 18:07.37 | Dresnia | yeah whatever |
| 18:07.42 | Dresnia | whatcha watching |
| 18:07.47 | Dresnia | GOKU THE FIREBAT |
| 18:07.50 | Dresnia | OMFG AMAZING |
| 18:07.52 | Dresnia | >_> |
| 18:08.10 | burne- | :D |
| 18:08.29 | Dresnia | So, did you guys hear about the facebook rage |
| 18:08.31 | burne- | I will probly continue on my cinematics and make a new trailer later |
| 18:08.31 | Dresnia | 'planking' ? |
| 18:08.35 | Mexa | meh... the new youtube player is horribly bugged. |
| 18:08.40 | burne- | oh man they are going to be so awesoooooome |
| 18:08.55 | Mexa | What facebook rage Dres? |
| 18:09.17 | Dresnia | planking |
| 18:09.23 | Dresnia | you post a picture of laying on stuff with your belly |
| 18:09.27 | Dresnia | strecthed out |
| 18:09.34 | Mexa | uh okay |
| 18:09.41 | Dresnia | yeah it was on the news etc |
| 18:09.43 | Mexa | How global is that? |
| 18:09.48 | Dresnia | USA ish I think |
| 18:09.48 | burne- | I dont like facebook |
| 18:09.54 | Dresnia | But I didn't see it around here yet |
| 18:09.55 | Mexa | USAish.. |
| 18:09.56 | burne- | I hate when people make so retarded posts |
| 18:09.58 | burne- | all the time |
| 18:10.13 | Dresnia | lol you should see me on facebook :p |
| 18:10.17 | Mexa | Burne, limit it to all your irl friends? |
| 18:10.35 | burne- | I pretty much have done so |
| 18:10.36 | Dresnia | if someone posts like 'I'm out to the shop now' I just go like 'WHO THE FUCK CARES MAN' |
| 18:10.43 | Triceron | get new friends? |
| 18:10.44 | Dresnia | Yet they don't remove me |
| 18:10.45 | burne- | yea |
| 18:10.50 | burne- | exacrtly lioke that! |
| 18:11.00 | Dresnia | I usually post like 'Taking a dump' |
| 18:11.04 | *** join/#sc2mapster Shadow_Killer (tekoppar@c-2cabe455.45-2102-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 18:11.06 | burne- | I know I post exactly as useless stuff here, but its still different |
| 18:11.07 | Dresnia | or some awesome 4chan picture |
| 18:11.12 | Triceron | "Masterbating" |
| 18:11.21 | Dresnia | HAHAHA |
| 18:11.22 | Dresnia | oh |
| 18:11.25 | Dresnia | gotta post that one |
| 18:11.26 | Dresnia | right now |
| 18:11.28 | Triceron | spam that every 15 minutes |
| 18:11.30 | burne- | :D |
| 18:11.46 | Dresnia | there |
| 18:11.52 | Dresnia | Maarten Maho |
| 18:11.52 | Dresnia | ?*masturbating* |
| 18:11.52 | Dresnia | 2 seconden geleden · Vind ik leuk · |
| 18:12.24 | obliviron | Hey |
| 18:12.26 | Mexa | I don't know german |
| 18:12.36 | burne- | me neither |
| 18:12.44 | Mexa | But in particular I didn't get Vind ik leuk |
| 18:12.47 | Dresnia | I'm dutch though |
| 18:12.52 | Mexa | oh |
| 18:12.52 | Dresnia | 'Vind ik Leuk' = 'I like button' |
| 18:12.53 | obliviron | Looking for teammates to work on a SC2 map. |
| 18:13.01 | Triceron | what kind of SC2 map |
| 18:13.02 | Mexa | oh |
| 18:13.15 | Mexa | Dres, isn't dutch and german similar? |
| 18:13.17 | Dresnia | That's also a awesomely retarted thingy |
| 18:13.22 | Dresnia | people liking their own posts |
| 18:13.23 | obliviron | Triceron, can i pm you? |
| 18:13.24 | Dresnia | like FOR REAL |
| 18:13.29 | Dresnia | Erm, yeah |
| 18:13.37 | Triceron | why can't you say here? |
| 18:13.39 | Dresnia | Netherlans/Belgium = dutch |
| 18:13.40 | Mexa | People do so, for real |
| 18:13.45 | Dresnia | Germany = german (dutch ish) |
| 18:13.46 | obliviron | It would clog up the chat |
| 18:13.59 | obliviron | But, alright: |
| 18:14.10 | Mexa | Dres, it almost gets me confused anyhow, as of germany = deutchland |
| 18:14.18 | Dresnia | duitsland ! |
| 18:14.35 | Mexa | .- |
| 18:14.38 | Dresnia | I can talk dutch+english and I understand german+french aswell |
| 18:14.45 | Deaod | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_German |
| 18:14.54 | Dresnia | but Belgium has 3 langueges |
| 18:14.58 | Deaod | thats a german dialect very similar to dutch, i think |
| 18:14.59 | Dresnia | dutch+french+german |
| 18:15.06 | Mexa | ah, yeah that makes sense |
| 18:15.23 | Mexa | like the scandinavian languages I could guess |
| 18:15.27 | Dresnia | well |
| 18:15.32 | Dresnia | we only have 10mill people |
| 18:15.37 | Dresnia | and we are a tiny country |
| 18:15.44 | Dresnia | yet we got a goverment for all 'areas' |
| 18:15.49 | Dresnia | yet no leading goverment atm etc |
| 18:16.06 | Deaod | still no govt? |
| 18:16.17 | Dresnia | nah |
| 18:16.17 | Deaod | wow. |
| 18:16.24 | Dresnia | and now we took a new leader |
| 18:16.32 | Dresnia | after 1 week it turns out his throat is fucked |
| 18:16.33 | Deaod | how long has it been? |
| 18:16.36 | Dresnia | so now he's in hospital |
| 18:16.47 | Dresnia | I've got no clue |
| 18:16.49 | Deaod | more than a year, IIRC |
| 18:16.51 | Dresnia | world record long |
| 18:16.56 | Deaod | thats cool. |
| 18:17.05 | Mexa | Going to buy some candy |
| 18:17.07 | Mexa | seeya! |
| 18:17.10 | Dresnia | but belgium has many flaws man |
| 18:17.17 | Dresnia | our cash los is just rediculous |
| 18:17.45 | Mexa | http://www.candyfromsweden.com/ nomnomnom :D |
| 18:18.09 | Dresnia | slow web is slo |
| 18:18.09 | Dresnia | w |
| 18:18.14 | Deaod | i think Ireland, Portugal and Greece have it worse |
| 18:18.50 | Dresnia | well belgium is loaded I think |
| 18:18.56 | Dresnia | but we got some fucked up things lol |
| 18:19.02 | Dresnia | like our jobless payment |
| 18:19.13 | Dresnia | it's higher then most paychecks people get |
| 18:19.28 | burne- | its pretty much same in finland lol |
| 18:19.48 | Dresnia | I recently readed a article |
| 18:19.55 | Dresnia | about some imigrant who got over here |
| 18:20.00 | Dresnia | due no job, he got a payment |
| 18:20.09 | burne- | atleast without job/without school you get more money than what you get if you are in school (I dont mind it that much, but Its hard to live with the current support) |
| 18:20.11 | Dresnia | due his religion, he was allowed to bring his 2 wifes over too |
| 18:20.20 | Dresnia | due his 8kids, we had too provide him a house and free food |
| 18:20.30 | burne- | yea |
| 18:20.35 | Dresnia | due his 8kids + no job on 2 wife + him, he 'earns' 8500 a month |
| 18:20.38 | burne- | its totally same here |
| 18:20.41 | burne- | thats so ridiculous |
| 18:20.46 | Dresnia | yeah seriously |
| 18:20.54 | burne- | fucking bullshit whores bring 8 kids and get so much moneys |
| 18:21.02 | Dresnia | I fall asleep at 11 and wake up at 5 to work my ass off whole week |
| 18:21.06 | Dresnia | for like 1.5 1.6k |
| 18:21.09 | Dresnia | wtf man =( |
| 18:21.16 | burne- | I still get 0e :( |
| 18:21.31 | burne- | well I get 500e/month due school |
| 18:21.37 | Deaod | work your ass off fathering children and marry twice |
| 18:21.37 | burne- | but not all that much :( |
| 18:21.49 | Dresnia | well I earn rather good for a dutchfag |
| 18:22.00 | Dresnia | but still not near 8.5 for choosing wich pussy I take at night |
| 18:22.01 | Dresnia | >_> |
| 18:22.23 | Dresnia | and my biggest issue I got with this cockroach infestion is |
| 18:22.29 | Dresnia | they drive like lunatics |
| 18:22.42 | burne- | lol |
| 18:22.48 | Dresnia | so if I see this I drive behind them and go infront |
| 18:22.55 | burne- | and they rape women and steal and stuff? :D |
| 18:22.55 | Dresnia | then they are like 5 in a tiny shitty car |
| 18:23.05 | Dresnia | and they go like middlefinger / spit etc |
| 18:23.17 | Dresnia | so I pull my car over and get out and run to them |
| 18:23.23 | Dresnia | yet they get away all the time |
| 18:23.27 | burne- | thats how I see them (when they cannot even speak other than their own language, situation is also pretty fucked up for them too) |
| 18:23.51 | Dresnia | I once had a old imigrant |
| 18:23.57 | Dresnia | hitting the top of my car with his stick |
| 18:24.06 | Dresnia | like seriously, idk, family guy style |
| 18:24.06 | Ech0__ | lol |
| 18:24.19 | Dresnia | so I step out and guess what |
| 18:24.28 | Dresnia | 1min later I was surrounded by like 50 of them |
| 18:24.33 | burne- | lol |
| 18:24.39 | Dresnia | seriously a zerg with 5 expansions can't outspawn this shit |
| 18:24.47 | burne- | :D |
| 18:25.05 | burne- | you should make a map based on that experience |
| 18:25.09 | Dresnia | lol |
| 18:25.13 | burne- | zerg vs immigrants |
| 18:25.15 | Dresnia | seriously |
| 18:25.19 | burne- | immigrants would win always |
| 18:25.21 | Dresnia | ever since nigga stole my bike |
| 18:25.23 | Dresnia | I been so mad |
| 18:25.24 | burne- | :( |
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| 18:25.35 | burne- | how do you even know who stole it |
| 18:25.38 | Dresnia | although a real nigger/black is the best guy you can have |
| 18:25.48 | Dresnia | causse they kicked me off my bike as a kid and stole it |
| 18:25.49 | Dresnia | lol |
| 18:25.53 | Deaod | lets all get xenophobic |
| 18:25.54 | burne- | hahah :D |
| 18:26.00 | JademusSreg | =\ |
| 18:26.07 | Dresnia | yeah |
| 18:26.11 | Dresnia | he even spitted in mah face |
| 18:26.29 | burne- | some serious shit going in there |
| 18:26.37 | Dresnia | when I was a kid I was like a tiny skinny fuck |
| 18:26.49 | Dresnia | right now I'm a buffed up 250pound 2m beast |
| 18:26.55 | Dresnia | but now they just run away |
| 18:26.57 | Dresnia | lamers |
| 18:27.13 | burne- | lololol |
| 18:27.18 | Dresnia | yeah my town is like |
| 18:27.23 | Dresnia | 45% imigrants or so |
| 18:27.33 | Dresnia | people get robbed 24/7 |
| 18:27.38 | obliviron | Hey, anyone interested in working on a SC2 map with me? |
| 18:27.49 | Ech0__ | what country do you live in Dresnia? |
| 18:27.49 | Dresnia | my aunt/uncle live in a rich zone, they got broken in 4 times in last 8 years or so |
| 18:27.53 | Dresnia | Belgium |
| 18:27.57 | Ech0__ | ah |
| 18:28.11 | Dresnia | I'm not a racist at all though |
| 18:28.21 | JademusSreg | Racists always say that. |
| 18:28.31 | Dresnia | I just hate people who group up and act cool on stuff they can easely take |
| 18:28.39 | Dresnia | Untill a real guy steps up |
| 18:28.45 | burne- | its not racists if they clearly do fucked up shit |
| 18:28.52 | burne- | and its happening in every country |
| 18:28.58 | Dresnia | my last fight was a white guy |
| 18:29.01 | Dresnia | so I'm not a racist :p |
| 18:29.10 | Dresnia | it was a funny and short one tho |
| 18:29.45 | Dresnia | tl;dr, guy at market pushes old guy for not seeing him so he went 'infront of him' so I tell this dude 'hey common man that's not fair', he goes out |
| 18:29.48 | burne- | lol dresnia is some though guy who goes around fighthing in streets |
| 18:29.55 | Dresnia | and he waits me at the parking lot >_< |
| 18:30.02 | Dresnia | and then he says like the idiot he was |
| 18:30.08 | Dresnia | you can try and push me too if you want |
| 18:30.15 | Dresnia | naw |
| 18:30.20 | Dresnia | I don't fight alot |
| 18:30.32 | Dresnia | I impress before they dare pouncing :P |
| 18:31.26 | Dresnia | but yeah whatever |
| 18:31.28 | Dresnia | point beeing |
| 18:31.31 | Dresnia | belgium sucks balls |
| 18:31.38 | Dresnia | JademusSreg : got a empty room ? ^^ |
| 18:31.50 | JademusSreg | Hah, no. |
| 18:31.53 | Dresnia | + does the wife support double penetration |
| 18:31.53 | burne- | dont worry dresnia, so does many other country too |
| 18:31.55 | Dresnia | aaauw |
| 18:32.01 | JademusSreg | =\ |
| 18:32.05 | burne- | I wonder what germany gona do without their nuclear power :D |
| 18:32.08 | burne- | fucking dumbasses |
| 18:32.13 | Dresnia | I don't want to sound rude towards your family though. |
| 18:32.29 | Dresnia | burne- : germans are pritty smart/rich/whatever I think |
| 18:32.42 | Dresnia | + they only closing it by 2020 ish ? |
| 18:32.54 | Dresnia | So they still got 9 year too replace |
| 18:33.02 | burne- | they might be rich, but how the fuck they gona get electricity without 8 nuclear power plants |
| 18:33.02 | Dresnia | + They can just say 'We can't close it, deal with it' |
| 18:33.28 | Deaod | nuclear power is only 23% |
| 18:33.30 | burne- | its much worse if they gona use coal and stuff to make electricityu |
| 18:33.38 | Dresnia | well |
| 18:33.44 | Deaod | in germany, anywat |
| 18:33.48 | burne- | I expected it to be mroe :O, but still |
| 18:33.48 | Deaod | anyway |
| 18:33.51 | Dresnia | coal doesn't xplode and make mutants for the comming 50 years |
| 18:33.55 | burne- | I think its stupid to shut them down |
| 18:34.05 | Triceron | yeah but mutants are cool |
| 18:34.16 | Dresnia | girls with 2 vaginas |
| 18:34.18 | Dresnia | OH THE JOY |
| 18:34.24 | Dresnia | then I get twice nothing |
| 18:34.27 | Dresnia | hoeray for marriage |
| 18:34.41 | burne- | lol you seriosly expect all nuclear plants to go down if worlds largest earthquake and tsunami hits japan`and one plant falls |
| 18:35.01 | Dresnia | well does germany even have an sea |
| 18:35.14 | Dresnia | I really suck at world map stuff lol |
| 18:35.28 | Deaod | well, we do have sea access |
| 18:35.31 | Dresnia | why was gaming so much more fun then listening or even going school :P |
| 18:35.36 | JademusSreg | You're complaining about marriage? |
| 18:35.40 | Dresnia | Nah |
| 18:35.42 | burne- | if there was some good and safe way to produce electricity then ofc they should do it |
| 18:35.47 | burne- | but imo there isnt really that many good choises |
| 18:35.56 | Dresnia | I'm complaining about breastfeeding hormons + baby |
| 18:35.57 | Triceron | it's the dickgirl mutants you gotta watch out for |
| 18:36.04 | Dresnia | Or well, loving the baby. but yeah, whateva :p |
| 18:36.13 | Dresnia | Triceron : you mean japanese :p |
| 18:36.19 | Triceron | thai |
| 18:36.32 | Dresnia | burne- : that's not exactly true I think |
| 18:36.48 | Dresnia | I think the issue is, the electricty companies got a 'open ticket' and loads of money comming in |
| 18:36.59 | Dresnia | So why waste money on searching something they already provide ? |
| 18:37.07 | Dresnia | Shut it down, and we will invent better stuff |
| 18:37.21 | Dresnia | if not I'm buying tons of battery's too chat with you xD |
| 18:38.04 | burne- | well I dont think it would be that easy to get a new way to produce lots of electricity |
| 18:38.11 | burne- | if thats what you saying |
| 18:38.16 | Dresnia | becausse we are retarted |
| 18:38.30 | Dresnia | but if you got millions+10years+guys who know stuff |
| 18:38.32 | Dresnia | it should be possible |
| 18:38.47 | burne- | perhaps...perhaps not |
| 18:38.59 | burne- | it might take some special mind to come up with that stuff |
| 18:39.24 | Dresnia | fx water is viable |
| 18:39.33 | Dresnia | the investment is just HUGE and the placement too |
| 18:39.50 | Ech0__ | i actually went to an interesting lecture about green power, by an icelandic professor |
| 18:39.51 | Dresnia | The electricty gained from it is way more then pumping the water back up |
| 18:40.11 | Deaod | germanys energy production using regenerative sources is already at 17% |
| 18:40.12 | Deaod | IIRC |
| 18:40.19 | Ech0__ | turns out, the current focus is on third-generation technology |
| 18:40.27 | Ech0__ | like stream generators |
| 18:40.44 | Dresnia | I even know how to make a light work endlessly making its own power |
| 18:40.46 | burne- | that sounds a bit weird...you can recycle water to make electricity profitable? :EE |
| 18:40.49 | Dresnia | and I'm not that smart ;< |
| 18:41.12 | Dresnia | burne yeah |
| 18:41.12 | Dresnia | dynamo |
| 18:41.12 | Dresnia | if you know that |
| 18:41.12 | Dresnia | like on a old bike |
| 18:41.24 | burne- | I really doubt its that simple |
| 18:41.39 | Dresnia | it's beeing used |
| 18:41.46 | burne- | and even if it would create more electricity its probly really minimalö |
| 18:41.52 | Dresnia | nah |
| 18:42.04 | burne- | pics or didnt happen |
| 18:42.08 | Dresnia | baby on me hang on lol |
| 18:42.22 | burne- | kick the baby! |
| 18:42.23 | Dresnia | xcfdxfè!fè!fè!fè!fè!fè!fè!fè!fè!fè!fè!fè!fè!fè!fè!fè!fè!fè!fè!fè!fè!fè!fè!fè!fè!fè!fè!fè! |
| 18:42.33 | Dresnia | her first feed words |
| 18:42.35 | Dresnia | hoeraaay |
| 18:42.57 | burne- | im still trying to do mapping |
| 18:43.01 | Dresnia | :p |
| 18:43.07 | Dresnia | why aint u then |
| 18:43.10 | burne- | but I have to teach you how electiricty works! :D |
| 18:44.02 | burne- | but seriosly im just trying to get ideas what to make |
| 18:44.07 | burne- | mainly ability problems |
| 18:44.17 | burne- | stll cannot get good ideas that would fit the hero |
| 18:44.20 | Dresnia | I'm an electrician for a living ? :o |
| 18:44.33 | burne- | :trollface |
| 18:45.05 | Dresnia | you could make a imigrant hero |
| 18:45.14 | Dresnia | the more it takes dmg the more cockroaches it spawns |
| 18:45.15 | Dresnia | lol |
| 18:45.25 | Dresnia | and call him 'the intreger' or whatever |
| 18:45.49 | Dresnia | lol no joke |
| 18:45.55 | Dresnia | 2min ago, dutch news post |
| 18:45.56 | burne- | haha |
| 18:46.02 | Dresnia | immigrant tried to stole purse |
| 18:46.12 | Dresnia | woman holded it off, so she fell on the metro rails |
| 18:46.16 | Dresnia | and metro ran over her |
| 18:46.27 | Dresnia | http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/957/Belgie/article/detail/1272718/2011/05/31/Reizigster-verzet-zich-tegen-handtasdiefstal-valt-op-sporen-en-wordt-aangereden.dhtml |
| 18:47.03 | burne- | rofl |
| 18:47.06 | burne- | pretty hc stuff |
| 18:47.29 | Dresnia | lol |
| 18:47.31 | Dresnia | yeah and yesterday |
| 18:47.36 | Dresnia | our IKEA stores had to clean out |
| 18:47.40 | Dresnia | due bomb alerts |
| 18:47.49 | Dresnia | even had 2 tiny bombs going off in alarm clock |
| 18:47.55 | Dresnia | another family guy one rofl |
| 18:48.21 | burne- | does that happen like daily basis lol? :D |
| 18:48.41 | burne- | it probly happens here too, but we just dont know about it -_- |
| 18:48.45 | Dresnia | well I don't realise what I'm reading on that stuff anymore really |
| 18:49.04 | Dresnia | but I get a middlefinger or whatever few times a day in town for sure |
| 18:53.55 | *** join/#sc2mapster peeeq (~Peter@178-26-119-169-dynip.superkabel.de) |
| 18:54.48 | burne- | I just got 14th subscriber |
| 18:54.49 | burne- | ! |
| 18:54.50 | burne- | :D |
| 18:55.19 | burne- | I think like 1 person of my subscribers watches videos I upload -_- |
| 18:55.48 | A1win | make better videos D: :P |
| 18:56.16 | Mexa | back |
| 18:56.25 | burne- | well I do make good videos to my standards atleast |
| 18:56.34 | burne- | like every 4th video is pretty good |
| 18:56.45 | burne- | and 1,2,3 videos are quite crap -_- :D |
| 18:56.55 | A1win | heh |
| 18:57.28 | burne- | I dont even care about subscribers |
| 18:57.37 | burne- | I just make videos to show stuff on here/mapster |
| 18:57.43 | burne- | and to get feedback |
| 19:06.52 | Dresnia | :) indeed |
| 19:09.23 | Dresnia | melee time |
| 19:09.24 | Dresnia | ttyl guys |
| 19:09.28 | Dresnia | gl burne <3333 |
| 19:09.29 | Mexa | back |
| 19:09.31 | Mexa | Candy time |
| 19:09.34 | Dresnia | enjoy <333 |
| 19:09.45 | Mexa | .-. sure thing |
| 19:13.44 | burne- | dl dresnia |
| 19:13.46 | burne- | gl |
| 19:13.47 | burne- | :D |
| 19:16.02 | Vail | i want HotS |
| 19:16.09 | Vail | gimme |
| 19:16.27 | Vail | sigh another year im sure... |
| 19:16.39 | JademusSreg | 6 months, I bet. |
| 19:16.51 | Vail | maybe...8 is closer |
| 19:17.03 | Mexa | The beta is suppose to last between 3-5 months |
| 19:17.09 | Vail | nod |
| 19:17.11 | Mexa | I'd say next year |
| 19:17.38 | Vail | i swoon for kerrigan |
| 19:18.06 | Vail | the only reason i would buy the third instalment is to get the assest |
| 19:18.07 | Vail | s |
| 19:18.08 | JademusSreg | Yup. |
| 19:18.34 | JademusSreg | I have a fetish for infested Kerrigan. |
| 19:18.54 | Vail | but HotS opens reopens the door for a campaign i was working on ... |
| 19:20.24 | Vail | it was about a Marine named Jarek and a cult of Kerrigan worshipers calling them selves The Cult of Blades.... |
| 19:21.33 | Vail | started on the first map a long time ago but it never went anywhere because i needed help and never asked if any on was interested |
| 19:21.54 | JademusSreg | Reminds of Sigil and The Lady of Pain. |
| 19:22.05 | *** join/#sc2mapster slightlyrandom (~random@62.66.252.177) |
| 19:23.17 | JademusSreg | However, it is worth pointing out cults don't call themselves cults. |
| 19:23.21 | Vail | first map started with Rogue Jarek and his crew of mercs investigate a small back water forest planet and finding a haven of the cult to had turned their kids into full on hydras and lings... |
| 19:23.27 | Vail | true |
| 19:23.30 | JademusSreg | Not unless they are hipster cults of course. |
| 19:23.36 | JademusSreg | Then it's ironic. |
| 19:23.37 | Vail | but i never gave it much thought |
| 19:23.56 | Vail | i will find a better word than cult |
| 19:24.53 | JademusSreg | Also, not to say it is impossible zerg would transform humans into some other genus, it just doesn't make much sense. |
| 19:25.29 | A1win | mm I'd think of some other reason why they'd worship the swarm |
| 19:25.33 | A1win | or kerrigan |
| 19:25.34 | Vail | well its Humans who are seeing the Zerg lines and better and turning humans into as close of faximiles as possible |
| 19:25.50 | JademusSreg | Human to link doesn't make much sense, but liquidating their biomass for use in some other capacity (like Flood or Tyranids might do) makes sense. |
| 19:26.10 | JademusSreg | Or mutated variants. |
| 19:26.14 | Vail | nod. |
| 19:26.29 | JademusSreg | *to ling |
| 19:26.37 | Vail | i never said it was a Good idea heh just one i was working on... |
| 19:26.42 | A1win | playing as terran with zerg allies sounds neat though |
| 19:26.42 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 19:27.07 | JademusSreg | A1, like the UED did after their campaign? |
| 19:27.17 | A1win | UED? |
| 19:27.37 | JademusSreg | Any zerg unit reinforced with terran healing tech is beautiful and op. |
| 19:27.50 | JademusSreg | United Earth Directorate. |
| 19:27.55 | JademusSreg | From Brood War. |
| 19:28.06 | A1win | ah... I never finished the brood war campaigns :P |
| 19:28.09 | A1win | *runS* |
| 19:28.11 | JademusSreg | Hahha |
| 19:28.32 | JademusSreg | It's much easier to make something consistent with the setting if you know the lore. =D |
| 19:28.36 | A1win | I tried them when the game was already so old that I had got used to better controls |
| 19:28.40 | A1win | and graphics |
| 19:29.22 | A1win | mm well I haven't really tried to make anything consistent yet :P |
| 19:29.32 | Vail | i am curious to see how the muiltiple tech trees work for kerrigan and if they can do so for other heros AND i hope the fix the hero burrow stat bug for it |
| 19:30.25 | Vail | ive only been playing around in the editor really but i do have a refinery that builds a mineral harvester that automatically harvests from the closest mineral patch |
| 19:30.39 | Vail | and ... Toxic Creep |
| 19:30.45 | JademusSreg | Sounds like Command & Conquer. |
| 19:31.04 | Vail | is was for a CnC map i was working on |
| 19:31.26 | Vail | even had a working conyard... |
| 19:31.47 | JademusSreg | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/Tiberium%20Red%20Zone%20001.jpg |
| 19:32.00 | Vail | the problem im having with it though is the power resoruce |
| 19:32.01 | JademusSreg | Fully functional tiberium. |
| 19:32.13 | Vail | have that too |
| 19:32.33 | JademusSreg | How did you do yours? |
| 19:33.58 | Vail | my art isnt as pretty though |
| 19:34.15 | JademusSreg | I mean how does your tiberium work? |
| 19:34.16 | A1win | baah I'm bored D: |
| 19:34.18 | Vail | basicly i made minerals that heal and reproduce.... |
| 19:34.32 | JademusSreg | Data or trigger based? |
| 19:34.37 | Vail | data. |
| 19:34.42 | JademusSreg | Same. |
| 19:34.57 | Vail | they start at about 200 minerals and at max the can produce a new node |
| 19:34.58 | JademusSreg | My tiberium actors creat their own lighting and splats. |
| 19:35.09 | Vail | nice |
| 19:36.06 | Vail | i am thinking of making a new Vespene guyser and making it a Tib node that produces Tib Gas and crystals grow around it |
| 19:36.26 | JademusSreg | And the growth phases are slow, you can watch them grow. Took a while to figure out the blend time and the associated problems with it. |
| 19:36.49 | Vail | how do you control your growth? |
| 19:37.13 | Mexa | If it's true that ValiantChaos is working for blizzard, then I'll fart rainbows all over the sky... |
| 19:37.14 | Vail | and you are using custom art right |
| 19:37.22 | JademusSreg | Visually, actor events. Resource value is incremented by a periodic buff. |
| 19:37.49 | JademusSreg | Nope, those are rescaled and tinted mineral crystals. |
| 19:37.55 | Vail | ah... |
| 19:38.17 | JademusSreg | I also use another periodic buff to apply a search area effect for Tiberium Exposure debuff. |
| 19:39.31 | Vail | nice i dont think i have that yet though.. i was more concerend with getting my harvester working |
| 19:39.48 | Vail | so its not exactly Fully functiuonal after all .. |
| 19:39.48 | JademusSreg | So my tiberium will replicate, regenerate, can be harvested, and is hazardous. And it looks pretty, to simplify the visual shit. |
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| 19:39.58 | Vail | yep |
| 19:40.03 | JademusSreg | But I'm not interested in recreating C&C in any capacity; tiberium is just awesome. |
| 19:40.30 | Vail | yes i am going to convert it to Viricite and add it as the custom resuorce to the game ... |
| 19:41.10 | JademusSreg | Dynamic self-replicating proton lattice, Tiberium is a nerdgasm, I love it. |
| 19:41.13 | Vail | right now i have been using BioData for the custom resource but Viricite would be cooler... |
| 19:41.40 | Vail | I know and it has Viral Matter capabilites which i think is sweet |
| 19:41.41 | JademusSreg | The name is less than spectacular, though. |
| 19:42.03 | Vail | mine or Tib's? |
| 19:42.12 | JademusSreg | "Viricite" sounds like a C-rate science fiction film. |
| 19:42.17 | Vail | yeah |
| 19:42.26 | Vail | but its a placeholder |
| 19:42.37 | Vail | holds the idea while i work |
| 19:42.59 | JademusSreg | With an elderly Dolph Lungrend in a role for which he is completely inapporpriate and is difficult to understand, and a porn actress co-protagonist who aspires to credible acting. |
| 19:43.18 | Vail | hey id watch it |
| 19:43.22 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 19:43.26 | Saeris | either of these tiberium setups gonna have an associated tutorial or map posted that i can check out? |
| 19:43.45 | Vail | then again i would have watched Sharktopus if i had syfy |
| 19:44.03 | Vail | i am cleaning up my CnC map right now |
| 19:44.08 | JademusSreg | Anyway, Tiberium is named after the Tiber river where it was first discovered, or if you accept Kane's explanation, he named it after Roman emporer Tiberius. |
| 19:44.35 | JademusSreg | What matters is that it a sort of mythology, and in turn a history, behind it that informs the name. |
| 19:44.35 | Vail | ive always been more of a Nod type of guy |
| 19:44.44 | JademusSreg | *emperor |
| 19:45.16 | Saeris | C&C was great until the skrin became part of the story |
| 19:45.22 | Saeris | kinda went downhill from there |
| 19:45.33 | JademusSreg | I mean, if you're gonna name a resource that is some form of exotic matter, you'll need to ruminate. |
| 19:45.40 | Vail | yes. |
| 19:45.47 | Nash|327 | KITTUNS |
| 19:46.00 | JademusSreg | Otherwise it'll be the name of a film on the Syfy channel. |
| 19:46.06 | Vail | i will call it Bob and then the world will be like WTF? |
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| 19:46.40 | JademusSreg | Scrin are great, the only problem is that revealing something awesome is less awesome than the mystery itself. |
| 19:46.45 | Bibendus | OMG! |
| 19:46.51 | Bibendus | I was triggerable terrain objects! |
| 19:46.57 | Bibendus | I saw* |
| 19:47.01 | JademusSreg | Congrats. |
| 19:47.03 | Bibendus | on HOTS |
| 19:47.13 | Bibendus | why congrats? |
| 19:47.14 | Bibendus | xD |
| 19:47.19 | JademusSreg | Are you sure they were'nt just units? |
| 19:47.33 | Vail | can you not wait for the touch of the swarm now |
| 19:48.07 | Bibendus | terrain objects |
| 19:48.10 | Bibendus | mean creating hole |
| 19:48.12 | Bibendus | holes |
| 19:48.14 | Bibendus | with triggers |
| 19:48.17 | JademusSreg | How can you be certain? |
| 19:48.18 | Griffles | C&C games went horribly down hill. |
| 19:48.44 | Bibendus | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DimlZGN3gU 0:52 |
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| 19:48.50 | Vail | eh gamplay wise i dont know but story wise i rather like ... |
| 19:48.52 | Bibendus | watch and u ll see |
| 19:48.55 | A1win | I never liked C&C that much... red alert was ok but meh ;p |
| 19:48.59 | Bibendus | its a terrain object |
| 19:49.06 | ashamed | i have done it :) created a 0.02 scale world map for sc2 |
| 19:49.11 | JademusSreg | I mean, the protecting Haven mission appeared to have holes made in the terrain. |
| 19:49.15 | JademusSreg | Link Bib. |
| 19:49.16 | Bibendus | or at least maybe there was already the hole |
| 19:49.19 | Bibendus | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DimlZGN3gU |
| 19:49.21 | Bibendus | 0:52 |
| 19:49.25 | Bibendus | maybe there was the hole already |
| 19:49.28 | Bibendus | covered by a doodads |
| 19:49.37 | Saeris | doesn't look any different that the space platform map |
| 19:49.45 | Saeris | in terms of complexity |
| 19:49.57 | Griffles | The original C&C had character. |
| 19:50.10 | ashamed | i have done teh map and is should be able to make a world ma that takes about 6-10 hours to discover the entire map -.- |
| 19:50.15 | Nash|327 | kittuns |
| 19:50.17 | Saeris | by that i mean the second to last mission where holes get blown into it |
| 19:50.18 | JademusSreg | That's almost certainly not dynamic, Bib. |
| 19:50.30 | Bibendus | dunno if its the same |
| 19:50.33 | Bibendus | of the space platform |
| 19:50.37 | Nash|327 | How the hell do you get a Stop command to work properly using Issue Order Effects D; |
| 19:50.40 | JademusSreg | Looks like the same approach they used for the Haven blast holes. |
| 19:51.07 | JademusSreg | Nash, replace current order? |
| 19:51.07 | Saeris | that too |
| 19:51.16 | ashamed | nash waht you trying to stop? |
| 19:51.19 | ashamed | like the guy from attacking |
| 19:51.20 | ashamed | or moving? |
| 19:51.25 | Bibendus | its triggerable |
| 19:51.25 | Nash|327 | attacking |
| 19:51.26 | Bibendus | xD |
| 19:51.29 | ashamed | because if its like an AI thing |
| 19:51.34 | ashamed | they will just keep doing it after the stop command |
| 19:51.39 | ashamed | so nash i bet its working |
| 19:51.41 | Bibendus | sure it must be placed before |
| 19:51.44 | ashamed | but then they continue to attack after stop |
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| 19:52.02 | Vail | http://www.gamekult.com/video/starcraft-ii-heart-of-the-swarm-b-roll-9328601v.html |
| 19:52.10 | JademusSreg | AI-controled units need to be removed from AI control via the function for that. |
| 19:52.12 | Nash|327 | no, I have a behavior which removes auto-attacking |
| 19:52.21 | ashamed | hmm |
| 19:52.21 | Vail | couldnt find it on youtube.... |
| 19:52.25 | ashamed | i bet thats what is going on nash |
| 19:52.29 | Nash|327 | I just need a stop command |
| 19:52.32 | ashamed | behavior may not be working they way you want it |
| 19:52.43 | Nash|327 | so they stop attacking before behavior is applied D; |
| 19:52.50 | Nash|327 | behavior works fine |
| 19:52.59 | ashamed | something is going on.. that is keeping them from attacking |
| 19:53.05 | ashamed | he does not attack? |
| 19:53.06 | ashamed | so if you run up to the pc computer |
| 19:53.07 | Nash|327 | sigh |
| 19:53.22 | Nash|327 | I need to get an Issue Order Effect working |
| 19:53.24 | Nash|327 | nothing else |
| 19:53.30 | A1win | maybe it reinitiates the attack between the stop command and the behavior being applied? |
| 19:53.32 | ashamed | there is an issue order for stpp |
| 19:53.33 | ashamed | stop |
| 19:53.38 | A1win | give the behavior first, then do the stop |
| 19:53.41 | ashamed | if you are using it and its not working.. then its something else |
| 19:53.58 | Vail | it may be the targeting |
| 19:54.20 | ashamed | i think ally would work better in that type of situation |
| 19:54.24 | Nash|327 | this is not helpful |
| 19:54.46 | ashamed | i wouldn't really use stop unless i was trying to stop the unit from moving |
| 19:55.30 | A1win | why not disable its weapons instead? |
| 19:55.34 | Vail | Nash what are you trying to do exactly? |
| 19:55.51 | Nash|327 | issue a stop command using effect |
| 19:56.00 | Vail | why? |
| 19:56.06 | Nash|327 | never mind why |
| 19:56.24 | Nash|327 | You all get distracted the more I tell you. |
| 19:56.30 | ashamed | >< Nash we are trying to help you |
| 19:56.35 | Vail | well if i dont know what you are trying to stop then i am not going to try and help any more\ |
| 19:56.37 | ashamed | Its just hard to use stop for attack |
| 19:56.57 | ashamed | disable the weapon would even work |
| 19:57.12 | Nash|327 | You're trying but you are wasting time with matters which aren't the issue. |
| 19:57.23 | JademusSreg | Don't want them to attack or you want the attacks to fail to deal damage? |
| 19:57.30 | Nash|327 | Which is why it's better the less I tell you. |
| 19:57.31 | ashamed | nash all i have gotten is that you are using STOP to stop an attack |
| 19:57.32 | Vail | you wont elaborate on the issue enough to get help |
| 19:57.34 | ashamed | and the attack does not work |
| 19:57.38 | ashamed | and they continue to attack |
| 19:57.42 | Nash|327 | I want to issue a STOP command using an effect |
| 19:57.47 | ashamed | ITS not the STOP order that is not working |
| 19:57.47 | A1win | well why don't you juse make an effect that issues the stop order then? |
| 19:57.50 | JademusSreg | Alright,. |
| 19:58.24 | JademusSreg | The Issue Order effect can do that, but without some way to elicit the response, it wouldn't be especially useful. |
| 19:58.38 | Nash|327 | What response? |
| 19:58.59 | ashamed | if all you are trying to do is stop a unit from attacking.. i honestly think there might be easier ways to get this done |
| 19:59.20 | JademusSreg | You want it to Stop. When do you want it to stop? If you want it to stop when it attempts to attack, you' |
| 19:59.30 | Nash|327 | Then I use the ability. |
| 19:59.36 | Nash|327 | When* |
| 19:59.58 | Nash|327 | The effect doesn't work. |
| 20:00.44 | JademusSreg | ll need to set up the effect to respond to the event every time. Triggers for instance can detect abilities before they begin. |
| 20:01.19 | Nash|327 | D_D |
| 20:01.40 | JademusSreg | Replacing current orders with stop via trigger is trivial. |
| 20:01.50 | Nash|327 | But I don't want triggers. |
| 20:03.18 | JademusSreg | Disabling the attack class of ability is trivial. Preventing all attack damage is similarly trivial. Issuing a stop order every time an ability is used via data to prevent the ability from completing, I think this is non-trivial. |
| 20:03.22 | Stewox | jademus , please how do i get rid of PINK dialog that your custom UI file made |
| 20:03.29 | JademusSreg | But there might be a way. |
| 20:03.35 | Stewox | Vail wb :) |
| 20:03.38 | JademusSreg | Via Augment. |
| 20:03.43 | Nash|327 | I'm not trying to prevent any ability. |
| 20:03.50 | Nash|327 | I'm trying to issue a stop order D_D |
| 20:03.52 | Vail | hello Stewox and thanks |
| 20:04.14 | JademusSreg | Perhaps I misunderstood. |
| 20:04.25 | Stewox | played sc2 yet with 1.3.3 ? |
| 20:04.26 | Nash|327 | All I want is a working Issue Order effect that actually gets a unit to stop. |
| 20:04.29 | JademusSreg | Issue Order is the effect that forces orders. |
| 20:04.32 | Nash|327 | Ignore everything else. |
| 20:05.05 | Vail | not yet. |
| 20:05.12 | JademusSreg | And if it doesn't work, I cannot hazard a guess why. Check the Herd ability for reference. |
| 20:05.23 | Vail | and like a hold position stance Nash? |
| 20:05.36 | JademusSreg | Stew, I already told you twice how to remove it. |
| 20:05.42 | Stewox | didn see |
| 20:05.53 | Vail | remove what? |
| 20:06.03 | Nash|327 | Herd :o |
| 20:06.07 | Stewox | eh nothing important |
| 20:06.12 | Nash|327 | Preempt flag is set |
| 20:06.12 | JademusSreg | Delete the Image subframe in the frame. |
| 20:06.18 | Nash|327 | Will try that shit |
| 20:06.21 | Vail | ok i was thinking for a second there the patch was flawed |
| 20:09.37 | JademusSreg | "Raynor will side with Tosh and the Protoss from WoL." |
| 20:09.50 | JademusSreg | well that settles the cannon ambiguity. |
| 20:09.54 | JademusSreg | *canon |
| 20:09.55 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 20:10.10 | JademusSreg | An ambiguous cannon is not the sort of weapon you'd want to use. |
| 20:10.15 | Nash|327 | Settle with the Protoss = wtf |
| 20:10.49 | JademusSreg | That means the bad Haven outcome with the creepy infested doctor chick scene is the canon. |
| 20:10.50 | Vail | hmm.. HotS is kerrigans game |
| 20:10.53 | Nash|327 | Seems like a weird choice D_D |
| 20:10.56 | Nash|327 | And sucky. |
| 20:12.14 | Vail | it may mean that we dont know.... it could just mean that he is sticking with his guns tosh and the toss because he feels Kerrigans gampit to reclaim the zerg throne a bad idea |
| 20:12.28 | Vail | gambit* |
| 20:14.45 | Vail | that b-roll video was sweet... |
| 20:16.10 | Nash|327 | fuckit I'll just add a supress attack behavior for 1 sec or something |
| 20:16.17 | Triceron | They kinda said HOTS will be a Kerrigan RPG from the very beginning |
| 20:16.36 | Triceron | LOTV is gonna be a diplomacy game with Artanis. |
| 20:16.44 | Vail | crap |
| 20:16.44 | JademusSreg | Yupyup |
| 20:16.52 | Vail | i hate diplomacy |
| 20:17.09 | Triceron | it'll be nexus word wars |
| 20:17.12 | JademusSreg | LotV will be Civilizations in Space. |
| 20:17.16 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 20:17.17 | Vail | my version of diplomacy ... blow em up real good like.... |
| 20:17.59 | Triceron | Protoss don't really have a 'Kill em all!' hero now |
| 20:18.20 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 20:18.27 | JademusSreg | You mean a Rambo? |
| 20:18.30 | Vail | hmm i suppose not ... |
| 20:18.30 | Triceron | like a warrior representative |
| 20:18.36 | Triceron | like what Fenix sorta was. |
| 20:18.54 | JademusSreg | Zeratul's mini campaign introduced the main protoss heroes. |
| 20:19.15 | JademusSreg | So their personalities, their archetypes, are merely unknown. |
| 20:19.18 | Triceron | so after watching the leaked endng again |
| 20:19.23 | Triceron | if that ending is true |
| 20:19.28 | JademusSreg | Selendis is definitely an Athena of sorts, though. |
| 20:19.37 | Triceron | I'm guessing Mengsk is the one that makes Kerrigan human again |
| 20:19.45 | JademusSreg | So you are mistaken. |
| 20:19.53 | JademusSreg | She and Raynor wiped out Haven. |
| 20:19.57 | JademusSreg | She is a warrior. |
| 20:19.59 | Triceron | True, Selendis could fit as taht |
| 20:20.19 | Griffles | Raynor saved Haven! |
| 20:20.30 | Triceron | "Ariel Hanson never happened" |
| 20:20.41 | Griffles | Protoss don't need a "kill em all" hero |
| 20:20.47 | Griffles | That's standard Protoss protocall. |
| 20:20.59 | Triceron | not since Tassadar's sacrifice |
| 20:21.01 | JademusSreg | "Raynor will side with Tosh and the Protoss from WoL." |
| 20:21.03 | Vail | well it was .... |
| 20:21.03 | Griffles | Erm... |
| 20:21.05 | JademusSreg | See? |
| 20:21.05 | Triceron | Artanis is following suite... |
| 20:21.06 | Griffles | Yes it is... |
| 20:21.12 | Triceron | now it's Save em all |
| 20:21.20 | Griffles | Have you played SC2..? |
| 20:21.33 | Griffles | I distinctly remember getting a 'PURGE THEM ALL!' vibe. |
| 20:21.40 | Triceron | That was Selendis |
| 20:21.47 | Griffles | Who's Protoss. |
| 20:21.53 | Triceron | yeah |
| 20:21.58 | Triceron | but LOTV is gonna be about Artanis. |
| 20:22.03 | Triceron | and he's not exactly like that |
| 20:22.18 | JademusSreg | Protoss is the Armenian guy at the petrol station. |
| 20:23.04 | Nash|327 | alright, seems to not be working either D; |
| 20:25.35 | Stewox | vail you should check out custom join game menu vail |
| 20:26.00 | Vail | oh? |
| 20:26.00 | Stewox | finally some more useful system |
| 20:26.00 | Nash|327 | fucking attack D: |
| 20:26.00 | Stewox | since 1.2 imo |
| 20:26.03 | Vail | i dont actually play SC2 |
| 20:26.07 | Vail | much |
| 20:26.26 | Stewox | i hear u werent here long so thats why the headsup |
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| 20:26.34 | Vail | i bought the game just for the mod tools but thanks |
| 20:26.43 | Stewox | jademus , inside the xml layoud code right ? |
| 20:26.52 | JademusSreg | Yup. |
| 20:26.56 | Stewox | debug area ? |
| 20:27.00 | Stewox | not sure |
| 20:27.15 | JademusSreg | Chat and debug. |
| 20:28.22 | Vail | you know i STILL cant find the location in the triggers for the armory console shop |
| 20:29.14 | Mephs | i wonder if my map'll get taken down for using this firebat quote thats in their stock library |
| 20:29.24 | Nash|327 | GAH! |
| 20:31.11 | Nash|327 | can't get this shit to work |
| 20:31.36 | Stewox | lol |
| 20:31.42 | Stewox | i made the banefreeze |
| 20:31.48 | TKC | anyone here who got experience with importing/exporting storymode characters into max? Want to animate for P:Vector but somehow it's a little mess with the m3 plugin and I can't get the model to look like in the previewer. |
| 20:32.04 | TKC | http://imgur.com/Sfmw5 |
| 20:32.11 | TKC | that's what I got |
| 20:33.59 | JademusSreg | When was the last time the m3 plug in was updated? |
| 20:34.11 | TKC | april 2011 |
| 20:35.02 | JademusSreg | Does it support the walkability plane yet? |
| 20:35.13 | TKC | don't think so |
| 20:35.16 | Stewox | anyone got an idea how do i make a limit for a trigger how many units can it spawn (for loop) ... (trigger with an unendable actions) |
| 20:35.26 | JademusSreg | Didn't expect it would. =D |
| 20:35.54 | Stewox | or a hard limit how many units can exist on a map total ? |
| 20:36.11 | JademusSreg | Sure. |
| 20:36.28 | JademusSreg | Track all unit creation and removal and have a global counter. |
| 20:37.17 | TKC | so nobody has a solution for my material problem? |
| 20:37.19 | JademusSreg | Enable/disable production in response to the counter. |
| 20:37.30 | JademusSreg | TKC, nope, I'm not a modeller. |
| 20:37.46 | JademusSreg | Shadow_Killer might have encountered the problem. |
| 20:38.32 | Nash|327 | why the fuck doesn't stop work :/ |
| 20:39.53 | Nash|327 | I don't get why the unit continues to attack D: |
| 20:40.19 | JademusSreg | Hi. Try forcing it to Hold Fire. |
| 20:40.48 | Nash|327 | apply the behavior? |
| 20:41.13 | JademusSreg | Dunno. I've never attempted to force Hold Fire before. |
| 20:41.43 | JademusSreg | All it does it prevent auto target acquisition. But it's worth trying. |
| 20:43.04 | Nash|327 | I'm already preventing that |
| 20:43.22 | Nash|327 | but the unit doesn't stop attacking if it already is |
| 20:43.29 | Nash|327 | hence the problem |
| 20:45.41 | Stewox | jademus |
| 20:45.46 | Stewox | a trigger spawns units |
| 20:45.54 | Stewox | no buildings create anything |
| 20:45.59 | Stewox | so i want to limit the trigger also |
| 20:46.04 | JademusSreg | Same principle. |
| 20:46.07 | Nash|327 | disable attack works |
| 20:46.20 | Stewox | tracking unit creation and removal ... |
| 20:46.20 | Nash|327 | but greys out attack icon :G |
| 20:46.27 | Stewox | where do i start |
| 20:46.34 | Nash|327 | which is kind of sucky D: |
| 20:46.37 | JademusSreg | Good, Nash, makes perfect sense. |
| 20:46.52 | Nash|327 | But sucks. |
| 20:47.18 | Stewox | i made a new folder now what |
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| 20:47.41 | JademusSreg | Stew, for n units you create, increment i+=n; for each unit that dies, decrement i-=1. |
| 20:48.07 | Stewox | the famous for loop |
| 20:48.18 | JademusSreg | Naw. |
| 20:48.21 | JademusSreg | Not even. |
| 20:48.39 | JademusSreg | When you create a unit, you increment the counter. |
| 20:48.48 | JademusSreg | When a unit dies, you decrement the counter. |
| 20:49.01 | JademusSreg | If the counter is higher than the limit, don't create the unit. |
| 20:50.03 | Stewox | i named it wrong but it's used in other games too quite frequent |
| 20:50.19 | Stewox | if higher ... stop trigger |
| 20:50.24 | Stewox | if lower start trigger |
| 20:50.26 | Stewox | .. ? |
| 20:50.42 | JademusSreg | If that's how you wanna do it. |
| 20:50.56 | JademusSreg | I wouldn't, though. |
| 20:51.08 | Stewox | that's going fast so will the trigger will switch fast enouhg so a certain amount is steady |
| 20:51.34 | Stewox | id take your solution |
| 20:51.44 | JademusSreg | I'd start a thread and do everything internally; stop and starting the thread externally is just more overhead for control mechanisms. |
| 20:52.35 | Vail | brb |
| 20:52.45 | Nash|327 | well I made the duration of attack disable 0.1 s |
| 20:53.02 | Nash|327 | the attack button flashes grey but it's not very noticable |
| 20:53.07 | Nash|327 | Good enough. |
| 20:53.31 | Stewox | hmm |
| 20:53.43 | Stewox | event |
| 20:53.46 | Stewox | any unit dies ? |
| 20:55.52 | Nash|327 | I was making this ability: Cloak for 4 seconds, becoming invisible to enemies. Attacking while cloaked will remove the cloak, but damage of the attack is increased by 100. |
| 20:56.08 | Nash|327 | AND NOW I HAVE! |
| 20:56.09 | JademusSreg | You'll need that trigger to decrement the counter. |
| 20:56.33 | Stewox | ok ... any unit created |
| 20:56.40 | Stewox | just with something to start with |
| 20:56.43 | JademusSreg | No.' |
| 20:56.59 | JademusSreg | Increment from the loop that creates units. |
| 20:57.47 | Stewox | wherre? |
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| 20:58.06 | Stewox | in the trigger that is creating units ? |
| 20:58.43 | Stewox | i would want it a non-custom system so it's global and not only for a certain trigger that is separate |
| 21:00.12 | Mexa | Hey Jademus? |
| 21:00.29 | JademusSreg | My goodness, you make this difficult. I prefer a hands off approach to helping people, Stew; instructing a person how to do each step is such a pain. |
| 21:00.32 | JademusSreg | Yes Mexa? |
| 21:00.38 | Mexa | IPL in 1 hour |
| 21:00.43 | JademusSreg | Cool. |
| 21:01.22 | JademusSreg | Stew, work on it first, and if it breaks, then ask me for help. |
| 21:05.10 | Nash|327 | Some people aren't worth helping D: |
| 21:05.40 | Nash|327 | Too stupid, unable to follow instructions, etc |
| 21:06.01 | A1win | generally speaking *cough* |
| 21:07.40 | Griffles | roars. |
| 21:08.16 | Nash|327 | http://pastebin.com/jks22e98 |
| 21:08.23 | Nash|327 | Like that. |
| 21:09.17 | Mexa | Griffles, go and get productive instead of just standing there roaring :v |
| 21:09.27 | Griffles | Define 'productive'/ |
| 21:09.49 | Mexa | do somthing of value I guess |
| 21:10.01 | Mexa | Make a map/mod, game, tool |
| 21:10.09 | Mexa | exam study if that's what you need |
| 21:10.17 | Nash|327 | READ MAH PASTE |
| 21:10.19 | Mexa | But don't just roar!! |
| 21:10.45 | Nash|327 | Not productive, though. But may be amusing. |
| 21:12.29 | JademusSreg | Apt. |
| 21:13.38 | Nash|327 | The illiterate ones are the most annoying but easy to identify and thus you rarely need to waste time helping them. |
| 21:13.45 | Nash|327 | has joined the channel. |
| 21:13.49 | Nash|327 | HELLO |
| 21:13.56 | Nash|327 | HOW DO I OPEN EDITOR |
| 21:14.04 | Nash|327 | HELLO?!?!!!1!! |
| 21:14.09 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 21:14.10 | Nash|327 | FUCK U THEN |
| 21:14.15 | Nash|327 | has left the channel |
| 21:14.29 | Nash|327 | I call them minute noobs. |
| 21:14.40 | A1win | seen a few |
| 21:15.15 | A1win | elsewhere mostly |
| 21:15.36 | JademusSreg | I figure people who ask where to make maps, how to get editor, (just lie that) are melee players who just discovered custom maps. Is this not the case? |
| 21:15.48 | JademusSreg | *like |
| 21:16.02 | A1win | on our half-life mapping channel that's like 6 years old, and people talk there like maybe 30 days a year... and then someone joins and expects a reply within a minute |
| 21:16.37 | A1win | then like couple of days later, someone laughs |
| 21:16.43 | Griffles | roars. |
| 21:16.49 | Nash|327 | The nature of an asyncronous medium eludes them. |
| 21:16.51 | Griffles | Sounds like #wc3c |
| 21:17.03 | Griffles | I remember having conversations with Vex over several days. :P |
| 21:17.39 | A1win | mm I'm used to the way IRC works, it's sometimes difficult to have conversations with people who are expecting to "have a conversation" as if being face to face |
| 21:17.43 | A1win | (on IRC) |
| 21:18.00 | *** join/#sc2mapster Griffen_ (~IceChat7@oriel-student-nat.oriel.ox.ac.uk) |
| 21:18.04 | Griffen_ | Wrong key... |
| 21:18.10 | A1win | I've been using IRC since 1998 or so D: |
| 21:18.14 | Griffen_ | It's also annoying in that the fuckers don't ask the question |
| 21:18.17 | A1win | ...daily |
| 21:18.20 | Griffen_ | They ask if they can ask a question... |
| 21:18.26 | Nash|327 | Then again, people who continue a conversation that's been inactive for a long time are annoying too. |
| 21:18.27 | A1win | mmm |
| 21:18.34 | Nash|327 | Everyone's forgotten it. |
| 21:18.47 | Griffenator | raors. |
| 21:18.48 | UloseTheGame | Nash, what do you expect |
| 21:18.50 | Nash|327 | And suddenly they reply to something said an hour ago. |
| 21:18.56 | UloseTheGame | they aren't able to make their own brilliant postsd |
| 21:19.03 | UloseTheGame | so they bump old brilliant posts |
| 21:19.06 | A1win | Nash|327, yeah on a busy channel... but if no one has talked anything in between |
| 21:19.16 | Griffenator | How do I move stuff around on the taskbar? |
| 21:19.17 | Nash|327 | If they haven't it's another matter. |
| 21:19.19 | JademusSreg | "I'm used to the way IRC works, it's sometimes difficult to have conversations with people who are expecting to "have a conversation" as if being face to face" This. |
| 21:19.22 | Griffenator | Or whatever the fuck the bar is called |
| 21:19.36 | Griffenator | Now icechat is at the right, I want it on the left. |
| 21:19.39 | Griffenator | Using Hitler |
| 21:19.41 | Griffenator | *Vista |
| 21:19.46 | A1win | JademusSreg, what are you talking about?? I said that like two minutes ago O___O |
| 21:19.55 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 21:20.47 | Nash|327 | YOU ARE SLOW |
| 21:20.55 | Dresnia | goodnight my lovers ! |
| 21:21.20 | Nash|327 | Dresnia smells |
| 21:21.40 | JademusSreg | I'm often afk. Duncare if I am late. I'll just catch the next period. |
| 21:27.52 | A1win | hmm... any ideas how to make an ability that "scans" an area without giving visibility, and creates a marker at enemy units like sensory tower does... but leaves the markers where they were created until the caster gets vision of them, at which point they get removed |
| 21:28.12 | A1win | *caster player |
| 21:29.00 | Nash|327 | so, a radar behavior? |
| 21:29.26 | A1win | it would only show the position of the units at the moment of the scan, and not move with the units |
| 21:29.38 | A1win | but yeah a kind of a radar |
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| 21:30.09 | A1win | but well dunno if that would be good for the gameplay... |
| 21:30.14 | Nash|327 | edit the radar |
| 21:30.23 | Nash|327 | well radar actor |
| 21:30.37 | JademusSreg | Create actors at the position with snapshot visibility. |
| 21:30.46 | A1win | ah, right |
| 21:30.55 | Nash|327 | and use a search area effect to place the radar icons on search targets |
| 21:31.23 | A1win | might need to look different to the normal radar icons or something, otherwise it might be too confusing |
| 21:32.00 | A1win | maybe show them as Stalker models that are frozen in place o: |
| 21:32.08 | A1win | that'd be even more confusing... |
| 21:32.10 | A1win | :P |
| 21:32.11 | A1win | meh |
| 21:32.42 | A1win | just trying to figure out a radar ability for the seeker that'd be nicer to use than the current one |
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| 21:34.37 | Ashamed | tired :( |
| 21:34.52 | Nash|327 | sleep |
| 21:34.58 | Ashamed | cant at work |
| 21:35.02 | Ashamed | not aloud :( |
| 21:35.10 | Griffenator | Don't be noisy then? |
| 21:35.16 | Nash|327 | sleep quietly |
| 21:35.20 | Ashamed | lol |
| 21:35.24 | Ashamed | if only i could |
| 21:35.47 | SpiderDave | A1win: what kind of unit is seeker? |
| 21:36.00 | A1win | a modified hydralisk |
| 21:36.23 | Nash|327 | LEGEND OF THE SEEKER |
| 21:36.36 | A1win | full story here ;p http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvt0ViRaM9c |
| 21:36.39 | SpiderDave | you could have it birth a little scout thing; maybe hatching from an egg and looks like a scourage |
| 21:36.54 | SpiderDave | that might be too much though ;) |
| 21:37.35 | A1win | don't want to give them controllable scouts, it just felt too difficult to manage at my skill level :P the seekers are quite fast and need to pay attention around them |
| 21:37.54 | A1win | and the hiders already have a controllable scout (hallucination) |
| 21:38.28 | A1win | the current radar ability is ok but it could be better |
| 21:38.31 | SpiderDave | you know what would be cool? some kind of directional arrow for the nearest unit |
| 21:38.42 | SpiderDave | like the ability gives it a sense of direction only |
| 21:38.59 | Ashamed | be too cheap |
| 21:39.00 | Ashamed | cant work |
| 21:39.03 | Nash|327 | I want an I WIN button |
| 21:39.07 | A1win | dunno, might not be useful enough |
| 21:39.19 | SpiderDave | well if it takes energy or something you can balance it, and probably other ways to limit it |
| 21:39.48 | A1win | I mean the current radar shows the exact position of the units if you are close enough when you use it, and it's not too good either |
| 21:39.57 | A1win | so if you'd just know the direction, it wouldn't be as useful |
| 21:40.41 | A1win | it's more of a hide and run if found by the seeker type of map |
| 21:41.23 | SpiderDave | seeker sounds more like a protoss unit btw |
| 21:41.32 | Nash|327 | VOID SEEKER |
| 21:41.55 | SpiderDave | i used a custom thing to try that unit out; void seeker is cool |
| 21:41.59 | A1win | the unit is called Hunter Seeker, like Hunter Killer ;p |
| 21:42.04 | SpiderDave | oh that's good then |
| 21:42.18 | Nash|327 | Seeker missile |
| 21:42.33 | Nash|327 | controllable seeker missile |
| 21:42.37 | Nash|327 | DO IT D: |
| 21:42.58 | SpiderDave | that'd be a cool minigame type thing |
| 21:43.51 | Nash|327 | Oh, no even better. |
| 21:44.01 | Nash|327 | Play as the Missile Turret's Missile! |
| 21:44.04 | SpiderDave | that's a nice twisty map btw |
| 21:44.07 | Nash|327 | BASE IS UNDER ATTACK |
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| 21:44.15 | Brainshack | hlo |
| 21:44.20 | Nash|327 | YOU MUST DESTROY THE MUTALISK |
| 21:44.34 | Nash|327 | And you get to control the missile ;G |
| 21:44.41 | Nash|327 | and steer it at muta |
| 21:45.39 | Nash|327 | absurd map ideas |
| 21:45.44 | Nash|327 | play as a critter |
| 21:45.53 | Nash|327 | and mouse pointers chase you |
| 21:45.58 | Nash|327 | to click you until you explode |
| 21:46.05 | Nash|327 | you must avoid them! |
| 21:46.37 | Nash|327 | and if you get clicked too many times you explode |
| 21:47.44 | Nash|327 | find some tiny aspect of the game and make a map about it |
| 21:51.50 | JademusSreg | Legend of the Seeker can eat a dick, which I expect shouldn't be difficult for Terry Goodkind to find. |
| 21:52.17 | JademusSreg | Actually, that's unfair. |
| 21:52.52 | JademusSreg | Legend of the Seeker might be alright. Terry Goodkind can eat a dick though. |
| 21:53.25 | Nash|327 | He'd have to find someone who's willing to have his dick eaten. |
| 21:53.50 | JademusSreg | He can bend over and eat his own dick for all the good it would do him. |
| 21:54.10 | Nash|327 | Cut it off, eat it. |
| 21:54.17 | Griffenator | Lol |
| 21:54.31 | Griffenator | You know there are people like that, Nash, right? |
| 21:54.40 | Griffenator | remembers a German a few years back who hit the news that way. |
| 21:54.43 | Nash|327 | Rule 34 |
| 21:55.11 | A1win | hmmm... I gave the hydralisk an actor event that turns its local tint color red when he gets the radar behavior, and to white when it goes off.. but the white one isn't working for some reason |
| 21:55.38 | Ashamed | i bet white is too light of a color |
| 21:55.46 | Ashamed | because the tint just goes over the orginal color |
| 21:55.49 | Ashamed | so white may not show up |
| 21:55.50 | A1win | I mean it's not getting rid of the red |
| 21:55.52 | Ashamed | but not 100% sure |
| 21:55.56 | Ashamed | oh |
| 21:55.58 | A1win | I'm trying to reset it back to the normal |
| 21:56.08 | Ashamed | try another color realq uick |
| 21:56.14 | Ashamed | and see if it changes it |
| 21:56.23 | Ashamed | because it still may be the white being a lighter color then the red |
| 21:56.33 | Ashamed | but i have not really messed with it too much.. thats all i have for an answer |
| 21:56.37 | A1win | nope, stays red |
| 21:56.46 | A1win | so either the event isn't working, or local tint color is somehow bugged or something |
| 21:57.00 | A1win | or my buff isn't wearing off... I'll make it visible |
| 21:57.13 | Ashamed | yeah check that |
| 21:57.18 | JademusSreg | CnP the actor events. |
| 21:57.18 | Ashamed | seems strange that you can get the red working |
| 21:57.20 | Ashamed | but not the rest |
| 21:57.29 | A1win | buff does wear off |
| 21:57.47 | A1win | CnP? |
| 21:57.55 | JademusSreg | Copy n Paste |
| 21:58.00 | A1win | oh |
| 21:58.09 | Ashamed | a1win i did not know what that was either |
| 21:58.10 | Ashamed | >< |
| 21:58.20 | JademusSreg | Seriously? Wow. |
| 21:58.23 | A1win | err... I can't :< |
| 21:58.27 | Ashamed | jade and his acronyms |
| 21:58.29 | A1win | I'll write them ;p |
| 21:58.34 | Ashamed | PASTEBIN |
| 21:58.36 | Nash|327 | Wasn't hard to figure out. |
| 21:58.38 | Nash|327 | D_D |
| 21:58.43 | Ashamed | nash stfu i will kill you |
| 21:58.51 | A1win | well it's just Behavior.HunterKillerRadar.On and .Off |
| 21:58.57 | A1win | and then set local tint color |
| 21:59.24 | JademusSreg | In the Off, do not set to white, just clear tint. |
| 21:59.30 | A1win | oh |
| 21:59.36 | A1win | it adds to the old one? |
| 22:00.01 | JademusSreg | Tints (and other modifications) are labeled. |
| 22:00.03 | Nash|327 | You will not kill me. |
| 22:00.10 | Nash|327 | You don't know where to find me. |
| 22:00.17 | Ashamed | oh i do |
| 22:00.19 | JademusSreg | It doesn't add the old one, it just clears the tint under that label. |
| 22:00.20 | Ashamed | i am watching right now |
| 22:00.26 | A1win | ah |
| 22:00.41 | A1win | err |
| 22:00.48 | A1win | now it gives an error |
| 22:00.49 | Nash|327 | Your reading comprehension is not my problem. |
| 22:00.57 | A1win | WARNING: Cannot find prop or prop item with label [::Implicit]. |
| 22:01.05 | A1win | ...because it's local tint |
| 22:01.06 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 22:01.47 | A1win | any way to clear local tint :s |
| 22:02.04 | JademusSreg | Check the Hallucination actor. |
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| 22:03.18 | A1win | oh right I guess I need to actually label it first :P |
| 22:03.32 | A1win | although the hallucination actor isn't using local tint |
| 22:03.57 | A1win | oh |
| 22:04.02 | A1win | local tint doesn't even have a label field |
| 22:04.15 | JademusSreg | Labels default to some value or something. |
| 22:04.19 | Mexa | http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/IGNProLeague |
| 22:04.26 | Nash|327 | MEXA |
| 22:04.41 | Nash|327 | YOU ARE HEREBY BANNED FROM EVER POSTING LINKS AGAIN |
| 22:04.42 | Nash|327 | D: |
| 22:04.58 | SpiderDave | you're banned from using CAPSPAM |
| 22:05.03 | A1win | oh well maybe it's fine that other players see the tint too |
| 22:05.04 | Nash|327 | NEGATIVE |
| 22:05.36 | Brainshack | nash you are hereby allowed to just stfu :> |
| 22:05.45 | Nash|327 | I know I am. |
| 22:05.59 | Brainshack | you should make heavy use of this privilege |
| 22:06.09 | Nash|327 | I do. |
| 22:06.19 | Nash|327 | Most of the time. |
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| 22:06.30 | tordy | whatever happened to that battlebots map |
| 22:06.36 | JademusSreg | Woo. |
| 22:06.42 | tordy | i always wanted to make an AI in-game |
| 22:06.48 | tordy | and battle-out |
| 22:06.52 | tordy | maybe not that low level |
| 22:07.12 | JademusSreg | I'm studying SC2 AI at the moment. |
| 22:07.49 | Mexa | Have you seen the automaton 2000 AI videos? |
| 22:07.59 | JademusSreg | Yup. |
| 22:08.29 | Mexa | It's interesting, there's actually courses related to starcraft? |
| 22:08.41 | SpiderDave | yeah i heard about that |
| 22:08.41 | tordy | yea 4 years ago |
| 22:08.46 | Nash|327 | OLD |
| 22:08.52 | Mexa | sc1 and 2 |
| 22:08.52 | SpiderDave | but there's courses on everything really |
| 22:09.07 | JademusSreg | Everybody gets one. |
| 22:09.09 | Nash|327 | Education in a market economy. |
| 22:09.11 | tordy | yup |
| 22:09.14 | Mexa | We don't |
| 22:09.28 | Nash|327 | You don't do educations which are useful and lead to productive members of society. |
| 22:09.39 | Mexa | Tho, they weren't especially hard on me when I made my physics project in sc2 |
| 22:09.41 | Nash|327 | You do educations which you can make money from. |
| 22:09.57 | Nash|327 | Get people to sign up, get money. |
| 22:10.05 | Mexa | what |
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| 22:11.25 | Griffenator | Why would you do a physics project in SC2...? |
| 22:11.32 | Griffenator | I mean, seriously? |
| 22:11.59 | JademusSreg | Masochism. |
| 22:12.03 | Mexa | Because I can |
| 22:12.15 | Griffenator | Also, education should not be deal with by the free market. |
| 22:12.32 | Nash|327 | "Because I can" is not a valid reason. |
| 22:12.33 | Griffenator | An assault on education in a democracy should be considered treason. |
| 22:12.33 | JademusSreg | Colors made a neat physics based combat map called Battle Planets. |
| 22:12.50 | Mexa | Because I felt I didn't have the assets to support my physics ´project |
| 22:12.53 | JademusSreg | Controls could use a bit of work, since spamming left click sucks. |
| 22:12.54 | Mexa | That's the reason |
| 22:12.54 | Griffenator | I'm not even sure how I'd do physics with fixed reals. |
| 22:13.06 | Griffenator | Wtf was your physics project? |
| 22:13.09 | Mexa | With RungeKutta4 I guess |
| 22:13.17 | Griffenator | Seriously, I'd rather do physics in excel then SC2. |
| 22:13.21 | Mexa | lol |
| 22:13.31 | Griffenator | Would be more accurate... |
| 22:13.40 | SpiderDave | accuracy shmacuracy |
| 22:13.52 | Griffenator | When you're in the 2000th iteration |
| 22:13.56 | Griffenator | Accuracy matters :P |
| 22:13.58 | Nash|327 | Why did you rub poop into your hair and headbutt a baby? Because I can! |
| 22:13.58 | Mexa | I simulated throwing tennis balls with a certain initial velocity, which took into considerations of drag, wind, and spin |
| 22:14.33 | Mexa | It worked alright. |
| 22:14.55 | tordy | what are we talkin about |
| 22:14.59 | tordy | what wrea you tplanning on doing man |
| 22:15.01 | A1win | tennis |
| 22:15.16 | Mexa | No, I just mentioned an old physics project |
| 22:15.30 | Mexa | And Griffles like usual, questions everything |
| 22:15.31 | SpiderDave | that'd be cool to see kerrigan playing tennis and hold the racket in one of those wing tendril things |
| 22:15.32 | Mexa | :> |
| 22:15.55 | Nash|327 | TennisCraft |
| 22:15.57 | SpiderDave | when she loses a point, she consumes an ultralisk |
| 22:16.01 | JademusSreg | I disagree. |
| 22:16.12 | Brainshack | how do i chain up effects? |
| 22:16.16 | A1win | the ultimate test of your micro skills: two identical units... order them to attack each other so that the one you ordered last kills the one you ordered first |
| 22:16.27 | JademusSreg | I'd sooner see battlenet esploded than a tennis map to be published. |
| 22:16.28 | Mexa | Griffles, the accuracy would be close enough with a RungeKutta4 approximation. |
| 22:16.48 | Mexa | The timedelta would give little accuracy already |
| 22:16.55 | A1win | oh cool, they killed each other |
| 22:16.56 | Nash|327 | A1win: Yamato Cannon |
| 22:16.58 | A1win | I wiN! |
| 22:16.58 | Nash|327 | D_D |
| 22:17.11 | A1win | yeah, I wasn't thinking that the missiles have travel time :P |
| 22:17.17 | JademusSreg | Hahaha |
| 22:17.17 | Griffenator | Erm... |
| 22:17.23 | Griffenator | No...it wouldn't be accurate enough... |
| 22:17.29 | Griffenator | Because SC2 doesn't have floats. |
| 22:17.52 | Mexa | So, a rouding error at the 4th decimal is going to do much? |
| 22:17.59 | Griffenator | Try second decimal. |
| 22:18.00 | Griffenator | If that. |
| 22:18.12 | Nash|327 | you lie |
| 22:18.18 | Mexa | I didn't have those problems :v |
| 22:18.23 | Griffenator | Errors also compound. |
| 22:18.35 | Griffenator | Which will be the main issue. |
| 22:18.43 | JademusSreg | I've encountered fixed values with 0 decimal accuracy. |
| 22:18.45 | Griffenator | Which won't be visible, since it's gradual. |
| 22:18.59 | JademusSreg | Usually it's around 2. |
| 22:19.16 | Mexa | Whatever then, but the project got approved, so case closed <,< |
| 22:20.02 | Nash|327 | closes the case |
| 22:20.12 | JademusSreg | It is really sad. |
| 22:20.31 | Griffenator | Where do you live? |
| 22:20.39 | Griffenator | I suspect you are American |
| 22:20.39 | Nash|327 | ASL |
| 22:20.43 | Nash|327 | OMG |
| 22:20.46 | Griffenator | And therefore not getting an actual education. |
| 22:20.50 | Mexa | lol |
| 22:21.04 | Mexa | Nice attempt of insulting |
| 22:21.04 | A1win | no one is getting proper education |
| 22:21.10 | Griffenator | I am |
| 22:21.30 | Nash|327 | YOU LIVE IN THE ONLY GOOD COUNTRY IN THE WORLD RIGHT? |
| 22:21.30 | A1win | I didn't know there was a school for trolling |
| 22:21.34 | Mexa | Because you go at oxford doesn't make you any superior. |
| 22:21.35 | Griffenator | And it's not insulting, it's more stating a fact that US education is below some third world countries' standards |
| 22:21.49 | Griffenator | No, but being superior makes me at Oxford ;) |
| 22:21.55 | Nash|327 | All countries suck. |
| 22:21.57 | SpiderDave | i think the education insults would carry more weight if you had spelled physics properly earlier |
| 22:21.58 | JademusSreg | Us citizens are taught just enough to function in service industry jobs. |
| 22:22.00 | JademusSreg | *US |
| 22:22.25 | JademusSreg | Eventually, the United States will become the United Mall of America, where the world will go to shop. |
| 22:22.26 | Mexa | I have a good proper education. So because I decided to do a physics project in sc2 due to missing assets, it makes me undereducated? |
| 22:22.32 | Griffenator | US citizens are taught as little as possible so people don't stop voting for Republicans |
| 22:22.38 | Nash|327 | Basic education is full of propaganda, oversimplifications and bullshit taught by incompetent unintelligent teachers. |
| 22:22.39 | Griffenator | Missing assets? |
| 22:22.41 | Mexa | Yes |
| 22:22.43 | Griffenator | You didn't have a compiler? |
| 22:22.46 | Ashamed | yep |
| 22:22.50 | Ashamed | i hate America |
| 22:22.51 | Ashamed | :( |
| 22:22.52 | Mexa | Graphical resources |
| 22:22.54 | Griffenator | How can you have SC2 and not a compiler? |
| 22:22.54 | SpiderDave | i can't decide if Griffenator or Nash|327 is the bigger troll here |
| 22:23.03 | Griffenator | Why would you need graphical assets? |
| 22:23.15 | Nash|327 | USA bashing is just nationalism. |
| 22:23.24 | Nash|327 | Don't pretend your country is much better. |
| 22:23.24 | Ashamed | nash you from america? |
| 22:23.27 | Griffenator | USA bashing isn't really bashing. |
| 22:23.27 | Nash|327 | They all suck. |
| 22:23.27 | Ashamed | its not |
| 22:23.29 | Mexa | Because I didn't want some quick 3d sphere? |
| 22:23.33 | Griffenator | It's more stating facts. |
| 22:23.34 | Ashamed | America= worse country in the entire world |
| 22:23.45 | Ashamed | we are pretty much dictators.. even to our own people |
| 22:23.48 | Mexa | It was initially going to be a mod, and I merged the physics project with it |
| 22:23.51 | Nash|327 | I can think of worse. |
| 22:23.52 | Nash|327 | D_D |
| 22:23.53 | Ashamed | we have no privacy laws anymroe that protect us |
| 22:23.56 | Mexa | Do I need more reasons? |
| 22:23.56 | JademusSreg | Everything is terrible. =D |
| 22:24.03 | Griffenator | 90% of everything is terrible. |
| 22:24.16 | Nash|327 | Try moving to North Korea or something. |
| 22:24.16 | Griffenator | Ergo, everything is terrible. |
| 22:24.19 | Brainshack | why is everyone keeping up attention to those trolls ? :> |
| 22:24.24 | Griffenator | At least NK is up front about it :P |
| 22:24.27 | Ashamed | wea int trolling |
| 22:24.31 | Ashamed | just cuz we talking about world matters |
| 22:24.35 | Ashamed | doesn't make it trolling |
| 22:24.43 | A1win | you're trolling about world matters |
| 22:24.52 | Ashamed | nah i dont know all that was sadi |
| 22:24.52 | SpiderDave | Brainshack: i dunno, i wonder if there's ever any ops here |
| 22:24.53 | A1win | I'm not |
| 22:24.53 | A1win | :< |
| 22:24.55 | Ashamed | but i just said america sucks |
| 22:24.55 | Griffenator | NK isn't really much of a rogue state. |
| 22:24.56 | Ashamed | lol |
| 22:25.00 | Griffenator | The USA is a rogue state. |
| 22:25.04 | Griffenator | NK is just a totalitarian state. |
| 22:25.06 | Brainshack | im talking about ppl tryin to bash ppl cuz they made a school project in sc2 oO |
| 22:25.10 | Mexa | Griffles, Sweden, not USA btw... |
| 22:25.19 | Griffenator | Sweden. Bugger. |
| 22:25.24 | Griffenator | Which part of Sweden? |
| 22:25.30 | Mexa | south |
| 22:25.30 | Ashamed | but everyone here already knows i hate America |
| 22:25.41 | Ashamed | i think i say it at least once a day |
| 22:25.41 | Nash|327 | Your hate is misplaced. |
| 22:25.45 | A1win | there's a lot of south in sweden |
| 22:25.48 | JademusSreg | Ash is gonna get vanned. |
| 22:25.49 | Nash|327 | You should hate EVERY COUNTRY. |
| 22:25.50 | Brainshack | Ashamed: indeed, you do^^ |
| 22:26.01 | Ashamed | nash no i shouldn't |
| 22:26.03 | Griffenator | There's not a lot of North in Sweden |
| 22:26.05 | Brainshack | still planning to move to sweden? xD |
| 22:26.06 | Ashamed | i believe in unity |
| 22:26.11 | Ashamed | which i have no clue why it has not happened |
| 22:26.16 | Triceron | where you from Ash? |
| 22:26.21 | Ashamed | we have enough technology that we shouldn't be fighting anymore |
| 22:26.23 | Ashamed | I am from Colorado |
| 22:26.23 | A1win | you should hate every country except finland, we have a lot of saunas here... thus we're better than any other country |
| 22:26.26 | Griffenator | roars. |
| 22:26.27 | A1win | at least if you like saunas, that is |
| 22:26.32 | A1win | and who doesn't D: |
| 22:26.36 | Mexa | North sweden is about half the country |
| 22:26.40 | Nash|327 | Finland, bah. |
| 22:26.41 | Mexa | In area |
| 22:26.49 | Griffenator | in population I doubt it's half :P |
| 22:26.53 | Triceron | yeah, don't hate on Finland. Have pity for them poor souls. |
| 22:26.54 | Brainshack | Mexa: yeah and the south makes the other half |
| 22:26.56 | Brainshack | xD |
| 22:27.01 | Ashamed | i live in a state that does not protect my rights at all.. nor do i have a retirement anymore :( |
| 22:27.12 | SpiderDave | this is what i think of for finland: http://i.imgur.com/DAv87.jpg |
| 22:27.17 | A1win | without finland you wouldn't even be here :( |
| 22:27.19 | A1win | on IRC |
| 22:27.20 | Triceron | I mean, they gotta live in Finland after all. |
| 22:27.20 | Ashamed | i have to work every holiday and dont get a vacation at all |
| 22:27.34 | A1win | :P |
| 22:27.42 | Mexa | Griffles, I wouldn't be so unsure, the capital is about mideast, and the 2nd and third largest cities is south of that |
| 22:27.55 | Ashamed | everyone around me are zombie consumers |
| 22:27.57 | Nash|327 | FINNISH HIM |
| 22:28.03 | Mexa | So above that, no, there's less population |
| 22:28.07 | A1win | SpiderDave, it's not like that all the time |
| 22:28.09 | Ashamed | my freind just spent 1500 dollars on a new set of rims and still owes on his car |
| 22:28.14 | Ashamed | like who does that.... AMERICA |
| 22:28.19 | A1win | SpiderDave, sometimes you freeze to death if you don't have more clothes than he does |
| 22:28.34 | SpiderDave | ouch heh |
| 22:28.35 | Nash|327 | Get better friends. |
| 22:28.48 | Ashamed | everyone in America does this |
| 22:28.49 | Ashamed | >< |
| 22:28.54 | Ashamed | or at least 90% of everyone |
| 22:29.06 | A1win | on the other hand, it's +16 C here atm :P and it's 1:30 am |
| 22:29.23 | Nash|327 | Education is a joke. |
| 22:29.28 | Ashamed | yes it is |
| 22:29.33 | Brainshack | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NAM3rIBG5k |
| 22:29.37 | Nash|327 | At least grade school. |
| 22:29.42 | Nash|327 | And secondary school. |
| 22:29.43 | Ashamed | did you see what the facebook dude is doing? |
| 22:29.44 | Nash|327 | D_D |
| 22:30.40 | Ashamed | he is getting entrepreneurs and helping them get their shit done |
| 22:30.41 | Ashamed | and then taking a cut |
| 22:31.04 | JademusSreg | Ash, does your friend listen to music that promotes the acquisition of material goods as indicators of social status and similarly promot promiscuity and violence as means by which to demonstrate one's virility? |
| 22:31.10 | Ashamed | i bet you anythign he will find more geniuses that way then colleges do. |
| 22:31.22 | Griffenator | Really, Ashamed...? |
| 22:31.35 | Ashamed | Jade he is pretty dumb.. he went off to the army |
| 22:31.36 | Nash|327 | not geniuses |
| 22:31.44 | Ashamed | and he came back for a visit and he pissed me off alot |
| 22:31.59 | Nash|327 | People with drive to make money perhaps. |
| 22:31.59 | Ashamed | he had also got a sound system and blast ghetto music all day |
| 22:32.00 | Griffenator | A very large proportion of scientific advancement comes from universities and the like |
| 22:32.04 | Ashamed | and you can't hear anything in his car |
| 22:32.09 | Ashamed | but his base rumbling |
| 22:32.11 | Griffenator | And very little from the private sector |
| 22:32.26 | Ashamed | he seems like someone that is trying to be cool............... >< i dont udnerstand people one bit |
| 22:32.51 | A1win | what's going on here ._o |
| 22:32.58 | Griffenator | This kind of implies that the geniuses are in academia, OR (more likely) the private sector wastes genius |
| 22:33.00 | Ashamed | Nash i bet you there are alot of geniuses that cant do college |
| 22:33.05 | Brainshack | coca cola, sometimes war |
| 22:33.08 | Nash|327 | Feels like I wasted 12 years of my life on useless "education". |
| 22:33.08 | JademusSreg | I am under the impression Klingons would enjoy rap / hip-hop / whatever genre is used to refer to the music that has attainted ubiquitous popularity with the urban proletariat. |
| 22:33.15 | Ashamed | i know if you look back in our history most of the people the invented shit.. they were wierd ass people |
| 22:33.27 | Griffenator | Education is not about knowledge. |
| 22:33.42 | Ashamed | and didnt do school |
| 22:33.42 | Griffenator | It is about understanding and awareness and methods, fundamentally. |
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| 22:33.51 | Griffenator | Really, like who, Ashamed? |
| 22:33.54 | Griffenator | Name one person. |
| 22:34.02 | Ashamed | um albert enistine |
| 22:34.07 | Griffenator | That's a myth. |
| 22:34.07 | Ashamed | um bill gates |
| 22:34.12 | Ashamed | no it isn't |
| 22:34.13 | Griffenator | Bill Gates didn't invent shit. |
| 22:34.25 | Ashamed | doesn't matter he becasme rich and captlised |
| 22:34.28 | Griffenator | He never failed maths or anything like that |
| 22:34.31 | Ashamed | which are the smart people in our day and age |
| 22:34.38 | Griffenator | Jesus Christ. |
| 22:34.47 | Griffenator | He got rich => that wasn't a waste? |
| 22:34.50 | Nash|327 | Has fuck-all to do with smart. |
| 22:34.50 | Griffenator | That doesn't follow. |
| 22:34.56 | Nash|327 | Ambition, greed. |
| 22:35.00 | Nash|327 | Not intellect. |
| 22:35.13 | Mexa | inputs coffee. |
| 22:35.15 | Vail | er ambitionb and greed do not = rich |
| 22:35.34 | Vail | ambition |
| 22:35.34 | Griffenator | Bill Gates hasn't really done much socially useful (leaving aside charity) |
| 22:35.34 | Nash|327 | Geniuses have a harder time to prosper. |
| 22:35.46 | Ashamed | but the problem is that we are turning ambition and greed into a sysstem |
| 22:35.46 | Nash|327 | Because they have a hard time communicating with people. |
| 22:35.53 | Ashamed | and the smart geniuses that could of done something else |
| 22:35.59 | Nash|327 | And thus get them to give money. |
| 22:36.03 | Ashamed | now see its eiaser to become rich and greedy |
| 22:36.05 | Ashamed | and they just do that |
| 22:36.05 | Griffenator | That'swhy we put them in universities |
| 22:36.08 | Brainshack | being a genius doestn necessarily mean you do yom ething usefull |
| 22:36.10 | Griffenator | Where people have a clue. |
| 22:36.13 | Brainshack | like rober oppenheimer |
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| 22:36.14 | Griffenator | And give them grant money. |
| 22:36.17 | Nash|327 | Those who do best are people with like 120 IQ. |
| 22:36.29 | Griffenator | Who cares who does best? |
| 22:36.32 | Nash|327 | A bit smarter, but not so that they are distanced from the normal people. |
| 22:36.37 | Nash|327 | I care. |
| 22:36.42 | Mexa | Jademus, did you happend to see who won between root and DDT? |
| 22:36.43 | Vail | not true nash |
| 22:36.49 | Mexa | *I mean Catz |
| 22:36.53 | Griffenator | feels society would be better off if people gave a shit about the good of humanity rather than selfishness. |
| 22:36.54 | Nash|327 | Because people claim capitalism is a merit based system. |
| 22:36.57 | Brainshack | Mexa: isnt root a clan? |
| 22:37.00 | Griffenator | Capitalism isn't. |
| 22:37.01 | Brainshack | and ddt a player? |
| 22:37.02 | Nash|327 | Which is bullshit. |
| 22:37.05 | Griffenator | No one sane claims that in good faith. |
| 22:37.07 | Vail | i have a 120 iq and i am about a social as a rock |
| 22:37.09 | Mexa | Brainshack, I meant Catz vs DDT |
| 22:37.14 | Brainshack | oh |
| 22:37.16 | Griffenator | They claim it in bad faith or because they have been conned into it. |
| 22:37.26 | Mexa | Said wrong, he is in the Root clan;p |
| 22:37.33 | Nash|327 | WHich is why you should care who does best. |
| 22:37.40 | Nash|327 | So you can see through the bullshit. |
| 22:37.45 | Brainshack | iq isnt everything |
| 22:37.45 | Nash|327 | D_D |
| 22:37.51 | Griffenator | There is very little in the way of justification for capitalism. |
| 22:37.57 | Griffenator | I'm actually struggling to think of any. |
| 22:38.02 | Ashamed | yeah capitalism = suck |
| 22:38.08 | Vail | very true... |
| 22:38.16 | Nash|327 | is anarchist |
| 22:38.19 | Ashamed | its a system that only works for the rich |
| 22:38.24 | Brainshack | mine was measured with 135 and i dont consider me tom ever become a genius or smthg like that xD |
| 22:38.25 | Vail | yep |
| 22:38.31 | JademusSreg | Mexa, yep. |
| 22:38.33 | Ashamed | when you can create a system that works for the rich and lower class |
| 22:38.34 | Mexa | Nash, aren't you a fellow socialist like the rest? |
| 22:38.37 | Mexa | Of us |
| 22:38.37 | Griffenator | Measured as 135 by what? |
| 22:38.43 | Nash|327 | Define socialist. |
| 22:38.51 | Mexa | What we have in sweden |
| 22:38.58 | SpiderDave | well, i'm off to go find a politics channel and talk to them about starcraft. later! |
| 22:38.59 | Mexa | ;p |
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| 22:39.01 | Vail | he i was around 127 once but ive lost a few points since then |
| 22:39.02 | Brainshack | a psychologist |
| 22:39.08 | Brainshack | or whatever its called xD |
| 22:39.11 | Nash|327 | A capitalist system? |
| 22:39.16 | Griffenator | A quack? |
| 22:39.16 | Mexa | no |
| 22:39.21 | Nash|327 | Yes. |
| 22:39.25 | Mexa | Socialism` |
| 22:39.26 | Mexa | ? |
| 22:39.26 | Brainshack | well it has been a while |
| 22:39.29 | Nash|327 | Capitalism. |
| 22:39.35 | Brainshack | wouldnt wonder if im at abou 12 now xD |
| 22:39.47 | Mexa | Sigh, you confused me. |
| 22:40.00 | Mexa | Jademus, so who won? |
| 22:40.05 | Nash|327 | Sweden is a capitalist society. |
| 22:40.13 | Mexa | No |
| 22:40.18 | JademusSreg | The terran. |
| 22:40.19 | Mexa | We have socialism |
| 22:40.19 | Nash|327 | ...lawl |
| 22:40.24 | Ashamed | nash its socialism |
| 22:40.25 | Brainshack | capitalism is just the system which is closest to the nature of mankind xD |
| 22:40.35 | Ashamed | yeah take all you can |
| 22:40.38 | Ashamed | and give none back |
| 22:40.38 | Ashamed | !!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 22:40.42 | Vail | yep |
| 22:40.51 | Vail | Me Me Me |
| 22:40.53 | Griffenator | Brainshock, you have to be trolling at that point. |
| 22:41.01 | Nash|327 | You are clueless D: |
| 22:41.04 | Ashamed | the funny thing about american is the middle/low class give more percentage of their money away to charity |
| 22:41.06 | Ashamed | then the rich |
| 22:41.14 | Griffenator | Anarchy is. If you want to see how that works, see Somalia. |
| 22:41.27 | Ashamed | Anarchy = what America needs to at least change shit |
| 22:41.42 | Ashamed | lol |
| 22:41.42 | Vail | the less you have the more you know what its like to need |
| 22:41.42 | Mexa | Nash, then we would have famous artists with huge houses, not like we have now where they pretty much live like everyone else |
| 22:41.42 | Nash|327 | That's not anarchism. |
| 22:41.44 | Brainshack | Griffenator: no, i guess if you would be in the position of bill gates or somebody like him you would think way different ^^ |
| 22:42.02 | Griffenator | Why would I think way different? |
| 22:42.10 | Griffenator | My earning potential is pretty damned good. |
| 22:42.24 | Griffenator | Odds are I'm going to be earning way above average wage if I choose. |
| 22:42.31 | Ashamed | anarchy just = give the power to the people and the people only |
| 22:42.32 | Vail | thats luck |
| 22:42.37 | Ashamed | and not set up any form of government |
| 22:42.39 | Griffenator | Not to the people. |
| 22:42.41 | Griffenator | To PEOPLE |
| 22:42.43 | Nash|327 | Capitalism is a system where certain people (capitalist, the bourgeoisie) own the means of production and take the profit and other people (workers, proletariat) work to produce the profit |
| 22:42.44 | Griffenator | People != the people |
| 22:42.45 | Ashamed | yeah |
| 22:42.57 | Nash|327 | Sweden is a CAPITALIST society. |
| 22:43.03 | Ashamed | no its not nash |
| 22:43.04 | Ashamed | >< |
| 22:43.07 | Griffenator | Swedish is the textbook example of socialism. |
| 22:43.13 | Ashamed | socialism and capitalism are very close |
| 22:43.26 | Ashamed | but solicalsm gives more rights to your "workers" |
| 22:43.32 | JademusSreg | Hahaha |
| 22:43.35 | Nash|327 | Sigh. |
| 22:43.39 | JademusSreg | Mexa, see the texture load bug? |
| 22:43.49 | Nash|327 | So ignorant. |
| 22:43.53 | Brainshack | the problem about anarchy is, that there always will be people abusing that sort of freedom |
| 22:43.56 | Mexa | lool |
| 22:44.11 | Mexa | Someone is having a bad graphics card or outdated drivers |
| 22:44.14 | Nash|327 | Almost like the people who think Obama is a socialist. |
| 22:44.15 | Brainshack | which will lead just to chaos |
| 22:44.17 | Nash|327 | Or communist. |
| 22:44.21 | Ashamed | nash you are the one being ignorant -.- saying a proven solist country is alrady capatlist |
| 22:44.22 | Nash|327 | D_D |
| 22:44.27 | A1win | you know what channel this is? are you seriously expecting everyone to know equally much about politics here D: |
| 22:44.30 | A1win | or.. whatever |
| 22:44.38 | Brainshack | yeah |
| 22:44.38 | Mexa | Sweden also have free education and free healthcare, in comparison to usa. |
| 22:44.43 | Ashamed | yeah |
| 22:45.01 | Nash|327 | Still capitalism. |
| 22:45.06 | Mexa | It's not capitalism |
| 22:45.07 | Ashamed | omg nash |
| 22:45.14 | Nash|327 | The means of production are owned by...? |
| 22:45.17 | Nash|327 | PRIVATE OWNERS |
| 22:45.18 | Vail | ok how is its what you say is? |
| 22:45.20 | Nash|327 | IE CAPITALISTS |
| 22:45.41 | Brainshack | capitalism isnt a form of government, its more about economy... |
| 22:45.50 | Nash|327 | Capitalism is an economical system. |
| 22:46.03 | Vail | a broken one more or less here in america |
| 22:46.24 | Brainshack | so having free healthcare and education doesnt necessarily mean that the economy can't be driven by capitalistic means |
| 22:46.35 | Nash|327 | There's varying degrees of state intervention is different countries. |
| 22:46.39 | Ashamed | nash the differnce between capitalism and socialism are not that much differnt |
| 22:46.40 | Nash|327 | But still capitalism. |
| 22:46.41 | Mexa | If we had capitalism, famous artists would be having huge villas by now, like I said Nash :v |
| 22:46.49 | Ashamed | they just give the goverment more power to decide human matters that are good FOR EVERYONE |
| 22:46.52 | Ashamed | like free education |
| 22:46.54 | Ashamed | and free healthcare |
| 22:47.04 | Ashamed | in a capitlist country the goverment would not controle this |
| 22:47.18 | A1win | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism |
| 22:47.23 | Ashamed | but in a solicalism country they would.. they would make sure evyerhting that is required for living is provided to th epeople |
| 22:47.23 | Vail | i would say regulate instead of control |
| 22:47.25 | Brainshack | Mexa: i think that the us are the only ones having that standards in the entertainment sector ^^ |
| 22:47.55 | Mexa | lol, tho I have never had any better example than US about capitalism |
| 22:48.04 | Brainshack | y thats true |
| 22:48.09 | Ashamed | the goverment liek America still makes sure that we have all of that |
| 22:48.12 | Ashamed | but they dont take controle of it |
| 22:48.13 | Vail | sports stars music stars politicians all need to make minimum wage |
| 22:48.18 | Ashamed | they let private sectors take our healthcare |
| 22:48.22 | Ashamed | and education |
| 22:48.24 | Ashamed | and living |
| 22:48.27 | Ashamed | and they let them make money off us |
| 22:48.40 | Brainshack | didnt obama want to change the healthcare system? |
| 22:48.42 | Ashamed | a country like sweeden says no.. there is a standard cost for all basic living |
| 22:48.52 | Ashamed | and we will keep it at that |
| 22:48.55 | Ashamed | you can't market it |
| 22:48.56 | Nash|327 | Just because degrees of state invervention varies it doesn't make it a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ECONOMICAL SYSTEM |
| 22:48.58 | Vail | yes he TRYED to star fixing it and look how that turned out |
| 22:49.05 | Vail | tried* |
| 22:49.07 | Ashamed | Nash did you not just listen to me |
| 22:49.11 | Ashamed | that is really the only differnce |
| 22:49.27 | Nash|327 | An economical system is not easy to change. |
| 22:49.33 | Brainshack | yeah i guess its hard to fight of that lobbies, even as the president of the united states^^ |
| 22:49.35 | Nash|327 | It's not a matter of who you vote for. |
| 22:49.43 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 22:49.58 | Griffenator | Nash *is* American I guess? |
| 22:49.59 | JademusSreg | Why the hell don't people use changelings in league matches? |
| 22:50.04 | Nash|327 | Feudalism was an economical system, which was replaced by capitalism. |
| 22:50.15 | Griffenator | Feudalism wasn't an economic system. |
| 22:50.16 | JademusSreg | An Overseer got itself killed. =\ |
| 22:50.16 | Vail | by this point im afraid he only way to save america is by breaking it |
| 22:50.23 | Griffenator | it was a political/social system. |
| 22:50.40 | Brainshack | JademusSreg: How can i queue up effects? |
| 22:50.42 | Griffenator | Vail - I vote we place it under Canadian administration. |
| 22:50.44 | A1win | changelings die so quickly that they don't reveal much before that... I guess |
| 22:50.44 | Nash|327 | I tend to disagree. |
| 22:50.46 | Brainshack | in the data editor? |
| 22:50.47 | Vail | or letting it die and starting over.... |
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| 22:50.57 | A1win | but well no point to not use them |
| 22:51.00 | Brainshack | when i dont want to use a periodic one |
| 22:51.02 | A1win | unless APM sucks |
| 22:51.13 | Ashamed | i am american too |
| 22:51.21 | Ashamed | but i dont agree with nash by any means |
| 22:51.26 | Ashamed | i think he is 100% wrong >< |
| 22:51.38 | JademusSreg | Shack, you can them together using Set. |
| 22:51.54 | Brainshack | and how do i delay them? |
| 22:52.00 | Griffenator | Americans knowledge of other cultures and geography is so often abysmal |
| 22:52.01 | Nash|327 | Well you people clearly didn't read Marx. |
| 22:52.04 | JademusSreg | Each set would have the effect for that link of the chain, and the next set. |
| 22:52.06 | Vail | yeah i need a better name than Viricite... but hmmm what ? |
| 22:52.07 | Griffenator | Even for the otherwise intelligent ones |
| 22:52.14 | Griffenator | We clearly don't agree with Marx |
| 22:52.29 | Nash|327 | You just accept that if you vote for another party society magically transforms into socialism! |
| 22:52.32 | Griffenator | Most people don't agree with Marx. I'm not sure why this would surprise you. |
| 22:52.40 | Nash|327 | You can change economical system every 4 years! |
| 22:52.42 | Griffenator | Eh? |
| 22:52.46 | Griffenator | No one said that... |
| 22:52.55 | Griffenator | Straw man fail. |
| 22:53.21 | Nash|327 | That's not even straw man. |
| 22:53.51 | Vail | the fact of the matter is capitolisim is broken in America and needs to be fixed and the government wont do it so the malitias need to |
| 22:53.59 | Griffenator | Lol? |
| 22:54.15 | Mexa | Oh noes, thunder outside |
| 22:54.16 | Vail | revolution! |
| 22:54.22 | A1win | yeah it's sometimes difficult to notice sarcasm on the internet ;p |
| 22:54.24 | Griffenator | Government won't do it because you keep voting in the Republicans |
| 22:54.33 | Griffenator | And the Democrats keep trying to be Republicans |
| 22:54.47 | Brainshack | a two party system just sucks^^ |
| 22:55.00 | Nash|327 | Capitalism just sucks. |
| 22:55.02 | Griffenator | Americans == Retarded. |
| 22:55.09 | Vail | in general yes |
| 22:55.11 | Nash|327 | There's no democracy. |
| 22:55.14 | Griffenator | I have no clue how the right wing minimal state intervention party gets by |
| 22:55.25 | Griffenator | Given it runs HUGE deficits whenever it gets into power. |
| 22:55.27 | Ashamed | me niether |
| 22:55.39 | Griffenator | Which the "left wing" party then has to clean up... |
| 22:55.41 | Ashamed | i dont understand how Gorge W bush passed so many laws the opposed the people |
| 22:55.51 | Griffenator | The people supported them |
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| 22:55.54 | Griffenator | Sadly. |
| 22:56.10 | Ashamed | yeah i know my parents are right winged |
| 22:56.11 | A1win | it's the president, he knows what he's doing |
| 22:56.12 | A1win | :< |
| 22:56.16 | Griffenator | "Terrorism" and "child porn" are the root passwords to the US public. |
| 22:56.19 | Ashamed | and when i was a child i use to believe what they told me beyond a doubt |
| 22:56.21 | Vail | clean up> no ones cleaning up anything because no one wants to buy American products |
| 22:56.32 | Ashamed | and now that i can pay attention to it.. my parents are so wrong |
| 22:56.46 | Ashamed | and i just want to be liek you blindly voted for these people... and they didnt even have your interrest at mind |
| 22:56.50 | Ashamed | they slowly took away your rights |
| 22:56.56 | Ashamed | and you just kept voting for them |
| 22:57.05 | Ashamed | and now America has the right to hold anyone any amount of time |
| 22:57.13 | Ashamed | " if they believe we are a terrorist" |
| 22:57.18 | Vail | most people are idiots in this country |
| 22:57.21 | Ashamed | ty gorge w bush |
| 22:57.36 | Nash|327 | There's no democracy. |
| 22:57.41 | Nash|327 | Just a big show. |
| 22:57.42 | Vail | hell ... this whole planet idiot is the majority.... |
| 22:57.44 | Griffenator | Define 'democracy' |
| 22:57.48 | Nash|327 | Put paper in a box. |
| 22:57.56 | Mephs | streaming development of the newest support hero, ignus: http://www.livestream.com/mephssc |
| 22:57.56 | Griffenator | Then it's a democracy. |
| 22:58.01 | Nash|327 | Democracy is when the people have the power. |
| 22:58.07 | Griffenator | Define 'power' |
| 22:58.10 | Griffenator | And 'the people' |
| 22:58.12 | Griffenator | And 'have' |
| 22:58.19 | Ashamed | i think what is sad is we now have the technology to be one.. and just be planet earth |
| 22:58.40 | Ashamed | and if you talk to the POEOPLE not the Government.. i bet the majority of us no longer want to fight each other |
| 22:58.42 | Griffenator | Why would rich countries agree to that, Ashamed? |
| 22:58.45 | Nash|327 | Power is controlling the means of production, the dissemination of information and the military and police. |
| 22:58.50 | Vail | people want to be seperate |
| 22:58.59 | Nash|327 | Those are controlled by a few. |
| 22:59.04 | Griffenator | You really want the people in charge of that? |
| 22:59.06 | Brainshack | JademusSreg: How can i delay the effects when i use that sort of Set chain? |
| 22:59.07 | Griffenator | It's called mob rule. |
| 22:59.11 | Griffenator | Mob rule is not pretty |
| 22:59.17 | Vail | er no its called democracy |
| 22:59.18 | Mexa | Oh shit, the thunder and the noise happend all at once D: |
| 22:59.25 | Griffenator | Democracy == Mob rule |
| 22:59.26 | Mexa | It's above me :| |
| 22:59.28 | Vail | no |
| 22:59.29 | A1win | a lot of people couldn't care less who has the power, so the power will never be with "the people", just some of them |
| 22:59.36 | Griffenator | I can't think of a democracy, or a country that intends to be democratic |
| 22:59.38 | JademusSreg | Brain, delays can be introduced using Create Persistent effects. |
| 22:59.47 | Griffenator | Libral democracy ftw. |
| 22:59.54 | Nash|327 | Fuck that shit. |
| 22:59.56 | Mexa | Sweden have some democracy |
| 22:59.58 | Griffenator | Lol? |
| 23:00.05 | Griffenator | What's wrong with libral democracy? |
| 23:00.17 | Griffenator | Nazi Germany was a democracy. |
| 23:00.19 | Mexa | Well in the form that we elect the parties who is going to sit in the parliament |
| 23:00.25 | Vail | true democracy doesnt exist because people are greedy and stupid and that multiplies as you get them together |
| 23:00.26 | Griffenator | For a while |
| 23:00.46 | Ashamed | griffenator.. if you look at nazi germany and america you will see we have passsed the same type of laws.. it has been a much slower processs |
| 23:00.50 | Ashamed | but we are pretty much there now |
| 23:00.54 | Griffenator | Yea. |
| 23:01.02 | Griffenator | Hell, you even use the same wording for torture. |
| 23:01.08 | Griffenator | Enhanced interrogation! |
| 23:01.18 | Ashamed | yeah we have set up a dictatorship |
| 23:01.22 | Nash|327 | Sweden is a capitalist system controlled by an elite. |
| 23:01.24 | Ashamed | it has not been implamented yet |
| 23:01.26 | Ashamed | but it can at anytime |
| 23:01.27 | Nash|327 | Like Bonniers |
| 23:01.45 | Nash|327 | Own the media, control the information flow. |
| 23:01.55 | Ashamed | -.- which america does |
| 23:02.07 | Vail | and america is the way it is because people do not want to be responsible for any thing but hold every one else acountable for anything |
| 23:02.09 | Ashamed | they have the right to arrest you if you release any information against them |
| 23:02.15 | Mexa | Nash, you got to get out of sweden |
| 23:02.16 | Ashamed | they can arrest anyone if they believe they are terrorist |
| 23:02.22 | Mexa | or something. |
| 23:02.23 | Nash|327 | And go where? |
| 23:02.27 | Nash|327 | All countries are shit. |
| 23:02.31 | Nash|327 | Shitty shit shit. |
| 23:02.37 | A1win | except finland |
| 23:02.44 | Ashamed | ZOMBIES |
| 23:02.44 | Nash|327 | Varying degrees of shit. |
| 23:02.46 | Griffenator | Switzerland. |
| 23:02.49 | Ashamed | that is why we are in the same we are in |
| 23:02.49 | Griffenator | Anyway, I'm off to bed |
| 23:02.51 | Vail | the world is shite deal |
| 23:02.53 | Griffenator | Good night fuckers. |
| 23:02.56 | Ashamed | becuase people just do shit because others tell them too |
| 23:03.06 | Mexa | Bye bitch |
| 23:03.10 | Ashamed | Oh yeah i will believe in a Book that was written 2000 years ago.. because my pastor tells me too |
| 23:03.17 | Nash|327 | Because those others own the media |
| 23:03.22 | A1win | it's a good book! |
| 23:03.24 | Nash|327 | and control what information people get |
| 23:03.27 | Ashamed | oh i am going to vote for this person because my freind told me too |
| 23:03.44 | Nash|327 | and own the means of production, making others depend on them to get by |
| 23:03.47 | Ashamed | people this day and age don't make up their own ideas |
| 23:03.49 | A1win | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxXrTRFVUkQ <- good book! |
| 23:03.51 | Ashamed | they just believe everyone elses |
| 23:03.56 | Vail | the world should be cleansed of idiots ,,, i will miss you all * sniffle * |
| 23:04.00 | Nash|327 | and if all else fails, they control the military and police |
| 23:04.08 | Nash|327 | and will fuck you up |
| 23:04.28 | Ashamed | I dunno In america i bet the people could get the military on our side |
| 23:04.28 | Vail | sarcasam over.. |
| 23:04.37 | Vail | er no |
| 23:04.38 | Ashamed | our government does not pay them very well at all |
| 23:04.41 | Ashamed | er yeah |
| 23:04.42 | Vail | true |
| 23:04.51 | Ashamed | privates = the majority of the militay |
| 23:04.55 | Ashamed | they get payed less then 20k |
| 23:05.15 | Vail | but id bet most are brainwashed enough to firght for the government because the government is america |
| 23:05.24 | Ashamed | they dont |
| 23:05.27 | Ashamed | i know alot of people |
| 23:05.28 | Nash|327 | My country right or wrong! |
| 23:05.47 | Ashamed | if we revolted against our government i mean they would have arms of course |
| 23:05.47 | Nash|327 | They're wrong, but I still support them. |
| 23:05.49 | Vail | id be glad |
| 23:05.54 | Ashamed | but we we get alot of militay people on our side |
| 23:05.55 | Nash|327 | Who the hell can think like that? |
| 23:06.01 | Ashamed | its not that nash |
| 23:06.05 | Ashamed | its i have nothing else to do |
| 23:06.13 | Ashamed | and i need to provide for my family some how |
| 23:06.14 | Vail | i love my country i hate its leaders |
| 23:06.20 | Nash|327 | How does their brain keep from exploding from ILLOGICAL OVERLOAD? |
| 23:06.30 | Mexa | Damn thunder commotion got me missing 2 rounds of the IPL match-.- |
| 23:06.41 | Ashamed | like i said they are just providing for their families |
| 23:06.45 | Nash|327 | I don't love a country. |
| 23:06.54 | Ashamed | alot of them have nothing else to do.. and our government knows this |
| 23:06.56 | Nash|327 | It's a geopoliical unit. |
| 23:07.01 | Vail | wont try to do anything against them though im far from stupid |
| 23:07.02 | Ashamed | and they trap them just like other corporate giants do |
| 23:07.26 | Ashamed | its either that or you become homeless |
| 23:07.47 | Brainshack | JademusSreg: So I make a set which applies first a Persistant effect which has a period count of one, with a given duration, applying my affect. and then i add a new set to the set to get it going on? |
| 23:07.59 | Nash|327 | Control of means of production. |
| 23:08.05 | Nash|327 | Do what we want, or you starve. |
| 23:08.07 | Nash|327 | Power. |
| 23:08.21 | Ashamed | yep |
| 23:08.25 | Nash|327 | Putting a paper in a box is not power. |
| 23:08.26 | Triceron | Flower |
| 23:08.27 | Ashamed | and that is how it is |
| 23:08.46 | Nash|327 | No ruler could rule without support from the people with REAL power. |
| 23:08.50 | JademusSreg | Set -> (primary effect for that step, Create Persistent) -> Set -> (et cetera) |
| 23:08.50 | Ashamed | in America the workers are REQUIRED to work.... yet we get nothing from it |
| 23:08.54 | Ashamed | but if we decide not to work |
| 23:08.59 | Ashamed | we will become poor and homeless |
| 23:09.06 | Vail | yeo |
| 23:09.08 | Vail | yep* |
| 23:09.15 | Brainshack | JademusSreg: Okay. Thank you. |
| 23:09.16 | Nash|327 | Welcome to capitalism? |
| 23:09.19 | Ashamed | yep :( |
| 23:09.30 | Ech0__ | lol |
| 23:09.33 | Ashamed | in the last 10 years did you know the average worker income went up about 3-4% |
| 23:09.41 | Ashamed | you know how much CEO averge went up |
| 23:09.44 | Ashamed | 300-400% |
| 23:09.47 | A1win | all is well as long as we can still play StarCraft II |
| 23:09.50 | Ashamed | thats in 10 years |
| 23:09.51 | Ashamed | >< |
| 23:09.54 | Ech0__ | Ashamed: good :) |
| 23:09.58 | Vail | the people who do the least work get the most money |
| 23:10.16 | A1win | the people who get the most money do the least work |
| 23:10.28 | Nash|327 | In Sweden the average boss makes 50 times the money of the average worker, or something like that. |
| 23:10.31 | Brainshack | you ever been a ceo? |
| 23:10.32 | Ashamed | i mean even if CEO's decided to go up on average 100-150% they would still be rich and the people would have something |
| 23:10.34 | Vail | ah true A1 thanks |
| 23:10.37 | Nash|327 | YAY CAPITALISM |
| 23:10.40 | Ashamed | man NASH that is amazing |
| 23:10.45 | Ashamed | no that is not capitalism |
| 23:10.49 | Mexa | and not true |
| 23:10.51 | Ashamed | i just told you in american its 300-400% |
| 23:10.57 | A1win | Vail, not really :P they aren't related to each other directly |
| 23:11.01 | Nash|327 | It's still capitalism... |
| 23:11.01 | Ashamed | and you are complaining about 50? |
| 23:11.08 | A1win | they are the result of the same cause |
| 23:11.09 | Nash|327 | Just varying degrees. |
| 23:11.19 | Brainshack | 50 times makes like 5000% |
| 23:11.19 | A1win | which is... a lot of things |
| 23:11.20 | Brainshack | :p |
| 23:11.28 | A1win | mostly conincidence, luck |
| 23:11.29 | A1win | :p |
| 23:11.33 | Vail | no i meant what you said is better than my attemopt to say the same thing |
| 23:11.36 | Ashamed | nash in a solilist country the rich still become rich |
| 23:11.41 | Ashamed | it just gives more to the PEOPLE |
| 23:11.45 | A1win | yeah but neither of them is accurate ;P |
| 23:11.49 | Nash|327 | Yoda says: Degrees not a competely different system make. |
| 23:11.50 | A1win | I mean |
| 23:11.52 | slightlyrandom | Oy, go read http://marshallbrain.com/manna1.htm, then watch http://www.zeitgeistmovingforward.com/ |
| 23:11.52 | A1win | meh, nevermind |
| 23:12.05 | slightlyrandom | ( http://zeitgeistmovie.com/torrents.html ) |
| 23:12.05 | Ashamed | making 50% appose to 400 % that is working then |
| 23:12.08 | Nash|327 | Ashamed: and how is that socialist and not capitalist? |
| 23:12.10 | Ashamed | they are giving more to the people |
| 23:12.25 | Mexa | So, say the worked gets 25k euro/month... and the boss gets 1.25million euro/month? |
| 23:12.27 | Mexa | Bullshit |
| 23:12.29 | Ashamed | because the government takes more interrest in the required living needs |
| 23:12.33 | Brainshack | he said 50times, not 50% ^^ |
| 23:12.40 | Vail | i understand CEOs have a lot of responsibility but i dont see that their work is worth as much as some get payed |
| 23:12.43 | Mexa | The only one I can imagine would be Ingvar Kamprad |
| 23:12.48 | Ashamed | and they make sure it does not go too high |
| 23:12.49 | Mexa | .. |
| 23:12.59 | Nash|327 | Nobody makes 25000 euro per month |
| 23:13.01 | Ashamed | and i was talking about CEO's not neccarry bosses |
| 23:13.06 | slightlyrandom | The entire monetary system is a sham, and it can lead to nothing but inequality |
| 23:13.15 | Mexa | Brainshack, he said 50 times, and I just calculated that |
| 23:13.28 | Nash|327 | based on complete bullshit values |
| 23:13.34 | Nash|327 | ;G |
| 23:13.35 | Mexa | Ment to say that with swedish values |
| 23:13.39 | Mexa | Divide by ten |
| 23:13.47 | Ashamed | http://www.aflcio.org/corporatewatch/paywatch/ |
| 23:13.47 | Mexa | The sum is still not reasonable |
| 23:14.02 | Ashamed | 11 million is an average income of a CEO -.- |
| 23:14.07 | Ashamed | 30k is my income |
| 23:14.08 | Ashamed | >< |
| 23:14.13 | Ashamed | i work for IBM |
| 23:14.18 | Ashamed | one of the greediest companies lol |
| 23:14.38 | Ashamed | speaking of ceos.. they are watching me currently through a big glass viewing window |
| 23:14.40 | Ashamed | like i am some kind of PET |
| 23:14.48 | Triceron | what do you do at ibm? |
| 23:14.49 | Ashamed | just opened up >< |
| 23:14.50 | Vail | unfortunately i am disabled and can not work usuall jobs |
| 23:14.53 | Ashamed | like 6 of them in the room |
| 23:15.04 | A1win | they're reading your IRC |
| 23:15.10 | A1win | now they're coming to get you |
| 23:15.12 | Nash|327 | D_D |
| 23:15.16 | JademusSreg | I concur with A1. |
| 23:15.16 | Ashamed | triceron i am the IT infrastructure focal for about 150 agents |
| 23:15.22 | Ashamed | and i get less then 30k :( |
| 23:15.27 | Triceron | whaaa |
| 23:15.41 | Triceron | what's like chump change intern pay |
| 23:15.49 | Ashamed | yep |
| 23:15.49 | Ashamed | pretty much |
| 23:15.56 | Ashamed | i work for a contractor |
| 23:15.59 | Nash|327 | Capitalism is an economic system in which the means of production are privately owned and operated for profit. |
| 23:16.00 | Ashamed | in the hopes of getting hired by IBM |
| 23:16.06 | Ashamed | which then would double my salery |
| 23:16.08 | Triceron | ahh |
| 23:16.13 | Triceron | so you're 3rd partry |
| 23:16.16 | Ashamed | but the funny thing is,... i dont even work for my contractor anymore |
| 23:16.20 | Ashamed | i work spacificly for IBM now |
| 23:16.26 | Ashamed | like i am doing their infrastructure |
| 23:16.29 | Ashamed | and they still have yet to hire me |
| 23:16.37 | Nash|327 | Sweden is a country where means of production are privately owned and operated for profit. |
| 23:16.42 | Nash|327 | Thus, Sweden is capitalist. |
| 23:16.44 | Nash|327 | QED |
| 23:16.45 | Triceron | are you on ibm payroll? |
| 23:16.54 | Vail | why pay full price for what you can get for less |
| 23:16.55 | A1win | pff... all you need is food and a computer, any extra money beyond that is being greedy |
| 23:16.57 | Ashamed | nope :( |
| 23:17.04 | Ashamed | IBM pays my contractor for me |
| 23:17.10 | Ashamed | but they chrage much more for me |
| 23:17.16 | Ashamed | like 10 dollars more then other agents |
| 23:17.22 | Ashamed | but i dont get the 10 extra dollars it cost to hire me |
| 23:17.23 | slightlyrandom | :( |
| 23:17.25 | Ashamed | my contractor does |
| 23:17.28 | slightlyrandom | Money is a sham |
| 23:17.42 | slightlyrandom | I feel like a crazy person for saying it |
| 23:17.47 | slightlyrandom | But I do believe it to be true |
| 23:17.49 | Ashamed | but i am just using this for experiance... there is a company that will pay me what i deserve |
| 23:18.02 | Ashamed | but i dont have a degree so right now i am just have to wait |
| 23:18.08 | JademusSreg | Bring on the conpsiracy theories! We'll have a parade. |
| 23:18.12 | Nash|327 | Money is only worth something because everyone agrees it's worth something. |
| 23:18.14 | Ashamed | and once i get enough experiance that another company will go oh you have been doing IT for ibm for this long |
| 23:18.22 | Ashamed | yeah nash |
| 23:18.25 | Ashamed | Money is soo stupid |
| 23:18.25 | slightlyrandom | With the current rate of automation, the unemployment is only going one way: up |
| 23:18.29 | Ashamed | tomorrow it coulld be gone |
| 23:18.42 | Triceron | I'm unemployed! |
| 23:18.45 | A1win | my tinfoil hat just started heating up, it has a sensor for detecting conspiracy theories around it |
| 23:18.53 | Triceron | but i still get income |
| 23:18.56 | Nash|327 | And people speculate by moving money around. |
| 23:19.12 | Nash|327 | 100000 people lose their jobs. |
| 23:19.21 | A1win | I'm "studying" with a very small income |
| 23:19.24 | slightlyrandom | Well, if you want fuel for that particular fire, go check out one or more of these two: http://marshallbrain.com/manna1.htm, http://www.zeitgeistmovingforward.com/ |
| 23:19.24 | Nash|327 | Move it around some more. |
| 23:19.28 | Nash|327 | Economical crisis. |
| 23:19.50 | JademusSreg | Imagine the global economy as a vast hyperdimensional fluid-sac filled organism. |
| 23:19.57 | slightlyrandom | First is a "sci fi" novella, second is a documentary/propaganda movie |
| 23:20.01 | Nash|327 | And when shit fucks up it's not the people who mess around with money who lose. |
| 23:20.03 | Ashamed | the sad thing about conspiracy theories i use to be the type of person that owuld just fluff them off and go your stupid |
| 23:20.12 | Ashamed | but now the older i get the more likly i can see this type of shit happening |
| 23:20.14 | JademusSreg | I'm not going anywhere with this. I just think it's a good visual. |
| 23:20.23 | Nash|327 | They get the government to save the capitalist system. |
| 23:20.32 | Nash|327 | And people get screwed over paying for it. |
| 23:20.35 | slightlyrandom | The best scam they ever pulled was make conspiracy theories equal to lunacy |
| 23:21.04 | slightlyrandom | Wasnt as much a scam as self-delusion, though |
| 23:21.10 | slightlyrandom | or mass delusion, possibly |
| 23:21.23 | Ashamed | those fools still looking in at me |
| 23:21.33 | slightlyrandom | Just smile and wave |
| 23:21.40 | Ashamed | i already did lol |
| 23:21.57 | A1win | ouch, you got to the second stage already |
| 23:21.59 | JademusSreg | "I heard on NPR then later saw on youtube a video about the world banks and secret societies plotting to make a north american union with doubleplus evil monies." |
| 23:22.06 | slightlyrandom | I'm quite fucking serious though. The previous zeitgeist movies have had a tinge of conspiracy lunacy to them. This last one is just the fucking truth |
| 23:22.12 | Nash|327 | They're paid much more than you to look at you work. |
| 23:22.15 | Nash|327 | D_D |
| 23:22.26 | Nash|327 | Capitalism is a merit based system! |
| 23:22.29 | Nash|327 | HAHAHA |
| 23:22.34 | A1win | slightlyrandom, it's not the whole truth :P |
| 23:22.37 | JademusSreg | My message was perfectly timed before sr's message, COMBO BREAKER. |
| 23:22.41 | A1win | it's propaganda |
| 23:22.45 | slightlyrandom | Naw, but a fragment of it, anyway |
| 23:22.46 | A1win | as you said |
| 23:22.52 | slightlyrandom | Yeah, everything is propaganda |
| 23:23.20 | slightlyrandom | Everything except possibly Science, but you could probably call that propaganda, too |
| 23:23.25 | A1win | zeitgeist is just a bit too much for one movement, makes the whole thing look bad for a lot of people |
| 23:23.38 | slightlyrandom | Yeah, thats how I felt about the earlier movies |
| 23:23.44 | Vail | there is no truth to science |
| 23:23.52 | A1win | I didn't see the earlier ones and I still think so :P |
| 23:23.55 | Triceron | it's too early to collapse capitalism |
| 23:23.56 | Vail | there is only the fact of the moment |
| 23:23.56 | slightlyrandom | Hehe |
| 23:24.18 | slightlyrandom | Yeah, but there is different approaches to that fact |
| 23:24.24 | A1win | it will collapse on its own, and then people will adapt |
| 23:24.30 | slightlyrandom | One is claiming it's the eternal, everlasting, unchanging fact |
| 23:24.32 | Triceron | pretty much |
| 23:24.35 | slightlyrandom | Thats religion or ideology |
| 23:24.41 | Triceron | you don't need movements |
| 23:24.43 | A1win | people aren't going to do shit until they have to do so to survive |
| 23:24.46 | Triceron | it'll fix itself. |
| 23:24.51 | A1win | mm |
| 23:24.55 | slightlyrandom | Another is saying "This is as much as we know now. It'll change, and the fact with it". That's Science |
| 23:25.00 | Triceron | it just needs a boiling point |
| 23:25.07 | Triceron | and we're nowhere near one. |
| 23:25.20 | A1win | the good thing about zeitgeist is that it gives people a better idea of what's going on, but that's really all it should be |
| 23:25.25 | A1win | not try to change anything by itself |
| 23:25.45 | slightlyrandom | A1win: The conspiracy lunacy sort of shifts when you have extremely talented and well educated people saying the same thing |
| 23:25.53 | slightlyrandom | Ah |
| 23:25.54 | slightlyrandom | Right |
| 23:26.01 | slightlyrandom | In that sense Moving Forward probably fails |
| 23:26.17 | Vail | i take for a fact that there is an orginintaor of creation of life on earth i go with my failth and call this being God as for intents and purposes he would be |
| 23:26.28 | Vail | or she but i prefer the classical HE |
| 23:26.48 | A1win | you shouldn't tell people what to do cause it doesn't work (unless you have teh power), but tell them what you want them to know so that they'll start doing things based on that =p |
| 23:26.49 | slightlyrandom | Since it extols the virtues of the Venus Project, an idea for a moneyless, automated society, based on science and with human wellfare in the center |
| 23:27.05 | A1win | mm |
| 23:27.13 | A1win | that's just too much scifi for a lot of people ;p |
| 23:27.19 | slightlyrandom | Yeah, probably |
| 23:27.27 | A1win | even though it's just a "what if" scenario |
| 23:27.31 | slightlyrandom | But still, if you ignore that bit, the rest is quite enlightning |
| 23:27.39 | Nash|327 | I just stick to a Marxist view of the world. |
| 23:27.43 | Vail | hell alot of people do not know how an LCD workds |
| 23:27.53 | Nash|327 | Don't need conspiracy theories. |
| 23:28.08 | slightlyrandom | Marxism is rooted in money |
| 23:28.18 | slightlyrandom | Or the monetary system |
| 23:28.22 | JademusSreg | Labor. |
| 23:28.40 | Nash|327 | Well it is dialectical MATERIALISM. |
| 23:28.53 | slightlyrandom | I'm trying to say that the monetary system is inherently flawed, and probably the cause of a lot of shit |
| 23:29.01 | Vail | i agree |
| 23:29.26 | Vail | but with out money i dont think human society could function at all |
| 23:29.55 | slightlyrandom | I'm having a perspective problem here, having lived a large part of my recent life in Sci Fi books |
| 23:30.10 | slightlyrandom | But I just don't see that as obvious in any way |
| 23:30.32 | Vail | humans have a basic need to be better than the others arounds them |
| 23:30.38 | Vail | well MOST |
| 23:30.43 | Vail | i dont for one |
| 23:30.55 | slightlyrandom | So you need a medium in which to do that. Fine. Make it art, poems, paintings, sports, science, whatever |
| 23:30.56 | A1win | me neither... therefore I'm better than you |
| 23:31.05 | A1win | I mean most people |
| 23:31.07 | A1win | :< |
| 23:31.09 | slightlyrandom | The applause of your peers |
| 23:31.22 | slightlyrandom | applause == praise |
| 23:31.22 | Vail | the propble there is Peers |
| 23:31.57 | Vail | people only want them during bad times the rest of the time they really want to prosper in as small a unit as possible |
| 23:32.26 | slightlyrandom | And how is this a problem? |
| 23:32.29 | A1win | there are some things that are turning the world into a better place: wikipedia for example 8) |
| 23:33.03 | A1win | free stuff |
| 23:33.04 | Vail | its not A problem its THE problem prospering alone adds nothing to anthing worthwile |
| 23:33.09 | slightlyrandom | Part of the point of this movie I'll keep going back to, is that humans respond to the world in says shaped by their upbringing |
| 23:33.10 | Nash|327 | Well, a society based on self-interest, essentially legitimized sociopathic behavior on a large scale is the cause of a lot of shit. |
| 23:33.11 | Nash|327 | I am a proponent of a type of anarchism based on maximum autonomy, direct democracy in all aspects of society and a gift economy. |
| 23:33.21 | A1win | free stuff that doesn't cost anyone anything |
| 23:33.32 | A1win | *money |
| 23:33.42 | Nash|327 | lagtastic |
| 23:33.45 | slightlyrandom | Hehe |
| 23:33.48 | slightlyrandom | Quite so |
| 23:34.39 | Mexa | inputs coffee. |
| 23:34.39 | A1win | bah, I feel so useless again D: |
| 23:34.43 | Vail | the ultimate problem is humanity as a whole is playing with daddys guns ... and they are all loaded.... |
| 23:34.48 | A1win | not getting anything useful done |
| 23:34.48 | slightlyrandom | Nash|327: Global direct democracy is A) unfeasible and B) probably not going to work, since it brings in emotion |
| 23:34.56 | JademusSreg | cout >> urine |
| 23:34.58 | Mexa | A1win, go watch some IPL, take it easy |
| 23:35.31 | A1win | it's just that I've felt like this for a long time already :P |
| 23:35.34 | Mexa | Jademus, wanna know something pretty annoying? |
| 23:35.54 | A1win | I try making some maps and games but no one I know really cares about them so my motivation drops =p |
| 23:36.08 | slightlyrandom | Get better friends |
| 23:36.09 | slightlyrandom | ;) |
| 23:36.11 | A1win | hehe |
| 23:36.15 | Mexa | If you only load the core dependency for a mod, it messes up battle.net as well |
| 23:36.23 | Mexa | or a map |
| 23:36.33 | A1win | wish I was better at making friends ;p |
| 23:36.47 | Mexa | You have us. |
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| 23:37.09 | Mexa | hugs. |
| 23:37.10 | A1win | and you care about my games? :P durr |
| 23:37.18 | Nash|327 | slightlyrandom: direct democracy as much as possible, and autonomy as much as possible |
| 23:37.34 | Mexa | Games? |
| 23:37.37 | Mexa | You make games? |
| 23:37.42 | Nash|327 | ie people at a certain department at a factory control that department |
| 23:37.51 | slightlyrandom | Yeah, I share the basic goals and ideals, mate |
| 23:37.53 | Nash|327 | and elect representatives for the factory |
| 23:38.02 | Nash|327 | etc |
| 23:38.29 | slightlyrandom | The easiest way to achieve it is probably to organize in much smaller communes |
| 23:38.30 | A1win | well "games" in general, like a map could be called a game |
| 23:38.38 | slightlyrandom | True local democracy |
| 23:38.42 | Mexa | aye |
| 23:38.43 | A1win | but yeah I do design some idependent games every now and then |
| 23:38.47 | A1win | I just don't get them done =p |
| 23:38.53 | A1win | cause I don't have the motivation :P |
| 23:39.08 | Mexa | I recognize that¨ |
| 23:39.09 | Mexa | lol' |
| 23:39.14 | slightlyrandom | Remake Moonbase Commander or Bloodbowl |
| 23:39.19 | slightlyrandom | I'll motivate you for those |
| 23:39.26 | A1win | no idea what they are :P |
| 23:39.42 | slightlyrandom | Both are awesome turn based games |
| 23:39.43 | Nash|327 | Finish something. |
| 23:39.47 | slightlyrandom | hah, or that |
| 23:39.50 | Nash|327 | Anything. |
| 23:39.52 | A1win | and I don't like remaking stuff that much, I like being creative |
| 23:40.15 | Nash|327 | Creativity is moot if you never produce anything. |
| 23:40.24 | A1win | mm |
| 23:40.36 | JademusSreg | Individual humans are unqualified to dictate the mechanisms by which societies are said to operate, because they lack the capacity to appreciate the totality of those systems. It is perhaps in our nature to make villains of the forces beyond our control because a sinister narrative is preferable to a story in which nothing happens, where nothing seems to fit together from the perspective |
| 23:40.36 | JademusSreg | of the inherently limited protagonists, where the story of our lives are a messy sequence of loose interactions and wayward consequences. Not only are we not in control of the emergent phenomenons that characterize our civilizations, but we cannot even approximate an understanding of them. |
| 23:40.59 | A1win | I guess I just can't work on something long enough at this state of mind |
| 23:41.12 | Nash|327 | Try writing a book. |
| 23:41.13 | slightlyrandom | Where's that from JademusSreg ? |
| 23:41.20 | JademusSreg | That's from me. |
| 23:41.28 | slightlyrandom | Consider that a compliment, then |
| 23:41.37 | JademusSreg | It's my way of calling your arguments silly |
| 23:41.49 | slightlyrandom | Well, I don't quite buy your statement |
| 23:41.53 | JademusSreg | Duncare. |
| 23:42.04 | slightlyrandom | We have a system for approximating understanding |
| 23:42.10 | slightlyrandom | It's called Science, and I love it |
| 23:42.23 | A1win | I should write in finnish but I haven't done so for a long time... I write long texts more easily in english than in finnish... but it's not as fluent so it doesn't get me anywhere :P |
| 23:42.27 | Nash|327 | FOR SCIENCE! |
| 23:42.31 | Triceron | science is overrated |
| 23:42.37 | A1win | I have some awesome ideas for books though |
| 23:42.39 | Nash|327 | I write books in English. |
| 23:42.51 | Nash|327 | English is good to write in. |
| 23:43.00 | Triceron | now science fiction |
| 23:43.22 | Nash|327 | I won't write in fucking Swedish. |
| 23:43.23 | A1win | dunno... I feel my writing in english isn't nowhere as personal as my finnish is |
| 23:43.34 | Nash|327 | An obscure crappy language. |
| 23:43.37 | A1win | heh |
| 23:43.38 | Nash|327 | D; |
| 23:43.46 | Triceron | spoken by MILLIONS |
| 23:43.48 | slightlyrandom | I feel that same way about danish |
| 23:43.50 | A1win | and imagine the pain of being forced to learn it |
| 23:43.51 | A1win | :< |
| 23:43.57 | Nash|327 | My writing in English is superior. |
| 23:44.07 | A1win | they start teaching it to us when we're like 15 or so |
| 23:44.14 | Ashamed | i am horrable at writing in english >< |
| 23:44.16 | A1win | the worst time ever to start a new language |
| 23:44.29 | A1win | everyone is bad-ass rebellions at that age |
| 23:44.34 | A1win | *are |
| 23:44.38 | Ashamed | but i can read like a beast |
| 23:44.38 | Nash|327 | I started English at age 5 or so? |
| 23:44.48 | Ashamed | its required in sweeden right? |
| 23:44.51 | A1win | I was talking about swedish |
| 23:45.04 | Nash|327 | It's required but useless. |
| 23:45.09 | Ashamed | dont use it at all? |
| 23:45.12 | slightlyrandom | Anyway, Science is a tool for aggregating knowledge in an approximately objective, and more importantly, falsifiable manner, allowing us to gather as close to true knowledge as it seems likely we're ever going to get. |
| 23:45.14 | Nash|327 | I never learnt any English in school. |
| 23:45.15 | Ashamed | why do they require you to do it then |
| 23:45.21 | Nash|327 | Too easy. |
| 23:45.46 | Nash|327 | School, what a waste of time D: |
| 23:45.52 | slightlyrandom | Some regions in finland learn swedish, right? |
| 23:45.54 | Ashamed | its not all a waste nash |
| 23:45.57 | A1win | slightlyrandom, all of them |
| 23:45.59 | slightlyrandom | All? |
| 23:46.01 | Ashamed | i mean a bit of schooling should be required |
| 23:46.03 | slightlyrandom | That's crazy |
| 23:46.03 | A1win | yep :3 |
| 23:46.07 | Ashamed | so people are not retarded |
| 23:46.08 | A1win | we're fighting against it =P |
| 23:46.13 | Nash|327 | I could have done something better with my time. |
| 23:46.14 | slightlyrandom | Good luck |
| 23:46.17 | slightlyrandom | Learn danish instead |
| 23:46.24 | A1win | or actually |
| 23:46.26 | slightlyrandom | (j/k) |
| 23:46.28 | A1win | we don't learn it |
| 23:46.28 | Ashamed | me too nash |
| 23:46.29 | Ashamed | i dropped out |
| 23:46.30 | A1win | we just study it |
| 23:46.31 | Ashamed | lol |
| 23:46.38 | Mexa | danish, I know alittle of it |
| 23:46.39 | Ashamed | i moved out when i was still in highschool |
| 23:46.42 | Nash|327 | Rather than sitting around being forced to "learn" stuff I already know. |
| 23:46.44 | Ashamed | and then shortly after that dropped out |
| 23:46.46 | A1win | a lot of people forget pretty much everything about it as soon as they can |
| 23:46.51 | A1win | because they just don't use it anywhere |
| 23:46.52 | Mexa | Other than that, it sounds like some sort of oatmeal when they talk |
| 23:46.56 | Ashamed | but nash that is only because the re teach you shit |
| 23:46.58 | Mexa | No offense if anyone is danish in here :D |
| 23:46.59 | Ashamed | which is retarded |
| 23:47.04 | Ashamed | but if you didnt go to school at all |
| 23:47.05 | slightlyrandom | None taken, it's a silly language |
| 23:47.08 | Ashamed | how much do you think you would know |
| 23:47.15 | A1win | I haven't used swedish in like... three years or so |
| 23:47.19 | Nash|327 | More than I do now. |
| 23:47.26 | slightlyrandom | School is a good safety net for providing minimum education |
| 23:47.28 | Ashamed | i bet not |
| 23:47.34 | A1win | and that was just one course at the uni |
| 23:47.44 | Ashamed | and who would teach you anything? |
| 23:47.45 | Ashamed | because it also means your parents wou;dn't have to go to shcool |
| 23:47.45 | slightlyrandom | But, it also retards education |
| 23:47.45 | Mexa | Fucking thunder is coming back D: |
| 23:47.49 | slightlyrandom | Standerdizes it |
| 23:47.51 | Nash|327 | School is intended for normal people and produces mediocrity. |
| 23:47.53 | slightlyrandom | Ehm |
| 23:47.55 | slightlyrandom | That's a word, right? |
| 23:48.02 | Mexa | slightlyrandom, sorry, I didn't realise you were danish either .-. |
| 23:48.11 | Nash|327 | And is full of propaganda and crap. |
| 23:48.20 | Ashamed | yah for sure nash i agree with you |
| 23:48.25 | Ashamed | but i dont think its 100% useless |
| 23:48.30 | Nash|327 | I had no business being there. |
| 23:48.37 | slightlyrandom | I'm for education and against schools |
| 23:48.37 | Nash|327 | I could read when I was 3. |
| 23:48.46 | Ashamed | like In America we have to do our core classes all the way up until we graduate. about 12 years |
| 23:48.50 | Mexa | Question yourself where you would be if you hadn't been there. |
| 23:48.53 | Ashamed | we take english/math/science/history |
| 23:49.06 | Ashamed | FINE THEN |
| 23:49.07 | Mexa | hm |
| 23:49.11 | slightlyrandom | Heh |
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| 23:49.25 | Nash|327 | le disconnect |
| 23:49.27 | Mexa | emocat |
| 23:49.30 | Nash|327 | Where were we? |
| 23:49.46 | A1win | we were talking how to improve my map |
| 23:49.48 | A1win | *about |
| 23:49.49 | Nash|327 | I was ranting. |
| 23:50.04 | Nash|327 | (01:48:26) (Nash|327) I had no business being there. |
| 23:50.04 | Nash|327 | (01:48:33) (Nash|327) I could read when I was 3. |
| 23:50.04 | Nash|327 | (01:48:51) (Nash|327) I could speak English before I even started school. |
| 23:50.22 | Mexa | [01:48] <Mexa> Question yourself where you would be if you hadn't been there. |
| 23:50.25 | Ashamed | what i was saying is this |
| 23:50.32 | Ashamed | [17:48] <Ashamed> like In America we have to do our core classes all the way up until we graduate. about 12 years |
| 23:50.42 | Triceron | school builds social skills |
| 23:50.43 | Ashamed | and then un order to go to college we then have to pay to take the same core classes |
| 23:50.55 | Triceron | you can't relate to others about the horrors of school if you never went to school |
| 23:50.56 | Ashamed | its like you just required me to learn all of this |
| 23:50.56 | Nash|327 | Social skills are overrated. |
| 23:50.57 | A1win | Triceron, for some :P |
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| 23:51.01 | Ashamed | and no wi have to pay someone to relearn it |
| 23:51.02 | Mexa | Nash don't like social skills. |
| 23:51.08 | Nash|327 | Besides, I didn't learn much of 'em anyway. |
| 23:51.10 | Triceron | the way we're doing right now |
| 23:51.13 | Triceron | ;) |
| 23:51.27 | A1win | school doesn't teach you how to chat D: |
| 23:51.35 | Triceron | school doesn't need to |
| 23:51.46 | Triceron | school doesn't teach you how to eat and poop either |
| 23:51.49 | Mexa | I'm going back to my coffee. It's more interestinng than this talk :v |
| 23:51.54 | Triceron | or breathe and sleep |
| 23:52.08 | A1win | yea but this is a social skill ;P |
| 23:52.09 | Nash|327 | School wasted my time. |
| 23:52.29 | A1win | let's burn the schools |
| 23:52.37 | JademusSreg | It's like watching cells discuss an optimal distribution of resources for the benefit of the organism, amusing not necessarily because they are wrong, but because they cannot appreciate the scale of their subject, and that even their good solutions are tentative and accidental, not conducted in the spirit of experimentation, but in a sincere belief in ideas that are laughably crude. |
| 23:53.00 | Nash|327 | You pessimist. |
| 23:53.31 | JademusSreg | Naw, it's the srs bsns attitude and certainty I think is silly. |
| 23:54.03 | JademusSreg | DBS beat minigun, woo. |
| 23:54.04 | Triceron | agreed |
| 23:54.07 | JademusSreg | Mexa, you missed it. |
| 23:54.11 | Triceron | I think Nash needs to go back to school |
| 23:54.27 | Nash|327 | Uh-huh. |
| 23:55.22 | Nash|327 | Being really smart and going to school with normal people is not productive or very fun. |
| 23:55.27 | slightlyrandom | JademusSreg: Doesn't change the fact that them doing so in a sort of rational, sort of objective manner is better than them just fuckin' about |
| 23:56.00 | JademusSreg | Haha, you think I'm criticizing science. |
| 23:56.04 | slightlyrandom | Naw |
| 23:56.16 | A1win | what if they'd fuck about just for a moment |
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| 23:56.37 | slightlyrandom | But if you don't adobt a certain certainty, you get overruled by ignorants who ARE sure of what's right and what's wrong |
| 23:56.39 | A1win | and see what happens |
| 23:56.52 | slightlyrandom | Even if their views are retarded and outdated |
| 23:57.30 | Mexa | Jademus, IPL? |
| 23:57.32 | JademusSreg | Duncare. |
| 23:57.38 | Mexa | I miss everything due to this chat .-. |
| 23:57.41 | JademusSreg | IPL, is tense, Mexa |
| 23:57.42 | Nash|327 | No IPL. Ever. |
| 23:57.48 | A1win | this is more important :O |
| 23:57.53 | Mexa | mm, I have it on the second screen |
| 23:57.56 | JademusSreg | DBS is crawling his way to 2-2. |
| 23:57.59 | JademusSreg | Maybe, |
| 23:58.05 | Triceron | having a big dick doesn't give one the right to whip it out as they please |
| 23:58.05 | JademusSreg | He won the previous,. |
| 23:58.06 | slightlyrandom | link me |
| 23:58.12 | Mexa | oooh yeah, nice |
| 23:58.21 | Mexa | lolwat, little girls with what he said? |
| 23:58.35 | Mexa | http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/IGNProLeague |
| 23:58.47 | JademusSreg | Hahaha |
| 23:58.48 | Nash|327 | STOP THAT! |
| 23:58.50 | JademusSreg | Hilarious. |
| 23:58.58 | Nash|327 | You were banned from doing that. |
| 23:59.30 | Mexa | ./ignore if you hate my links then :v |
| 23:59.35 | A1win | pff I wish I was a sociopath or something |
| 23:59.38 | slightlyrandom | ??? |
| 23:59.46 | Nash|327 | But I want to mock you. |
| 23:59.55 | Nash|327 | It's not as fun if I ignore you. |
