| 00:00.01 | Mexa | had vacation* |
| 00:00.03 | Ashamed | i am not talking about school vacations lol |
| 00:00.10 | Ashamed | i am talking about labor laws here |
| 00:00.15 | Ashamed | go google sweden labor laws |
| 00:00.24 | Ashamed | i bet you get 28 days of vacation |
| 00:00.51 | Mexa | http://www.sweden.se/eng/Home/Work/Labor-market/Employee-rights/Labor-law/ that? |
| 00:01.40 | Ashamed | Five weeks of paid vacation. More than a year of parental leave. Employer pension contributions. Swedenâs long tradition of labor market policies has resulted in all kinds of employee benefits. But how did they become basic rights for all Swedish employees by law? Collective bargaining has played a central role, as well as a well established culture of cooperation between employers, employees and unions. |
| 00:01.41 | Ashamed | that |
| 00:01.47 | Ashamed | i dont get any of that |
| 00:01.59 | Mexa | .-. |
| 00:02.09 | Ashamed | in america jobs are required to give off for maternaty leave but not pay you |
| 00:02.27 | Ashamed | so you can't take more then the required abount 8 weeks |
| 00:02.35 | Ashamed | unless you have really good job / insurance |
| 00:03.00 | *** join/#sc2mapster DarkRevenant (~DarkReven@ip72-197-184-165.sd.sd.cox.net) |
| 00:03.02 | Ashamed | its really bad here like the upper class gets it all |
| 00:03.07 | Ashamed | but the lower class works their asses off |
| 00:03.08 | Mexa | You'll just be all zug zug when they shout 'Go back to work' |
| 00:03.12 | Ashamed | 24/7 |
| 00:03.36 | Mexa | Oh well |
| 00:03.37 | Ashamed | like i was watching a documentry on these africans they brought to America to work |
| 00:03.47 | Ashamed | and they were saying it was harder in America then it was in Africa |
| 00:03.52 | Ashamed | where they had to fight and look for their food |
| 00:03.54 | Ashamed | walk miles for water |
| 00:04.05 | Ashamed | ... they still said working every day for nothing is much worse |
| 00:04.14 | Ashamed | and they felt much more fulfilled in Africa |
| 00:04.30 | Mexa | I imagine |
| 00:04.43 | Mexa | meh |
| 00:04.52 | Ashamed | :( it just sucks our country just does not have our backs.. and its obv |
| 00:05.08 | Ashamed | our country is just about getting rich and they only look out for the rich |
| 00:05.16 | Ashamed | which is 1% of our contry woot |
| 00:05.21 | Ashamed | country* |
| 00:05.30 | Mexa | Capitalism vs socialism, no? |
| 00:05.33 | Ashamed | yep |
| 00:05.38 | Ashamed | we need socialism bad |
| 00:06.26 | Mexa | the daily show had a fun 2part series about "the stockholm syndrome" |
| 00:06.35 | Mexa | Not really the real syndrome, but about swedish socialism |
| 00:06.39 | Mexa | Pretty funny |
| 00:06.59 | Mexa | But you don't want out socialism :> |
| 00:07.24 | Ashamed | if it gives me vacation then i do :) |
| 00:07.40 | Mexa | ;p |
| 00:07.41 | Ashamed | the problem with capitalism is it works.. but it only really works for the people making the money |
| 00:07.45 | Ashamed | for the rest it does not work for |
| 00:08.13 | Ashamed | and they say its because the people that are rich worked their asses off |
| 00:08.15 | Mexa | http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-april-21-2009/the-stockholm-syndrome-pt--1 http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-april-22-2009/the-stockholm-syndrome-pt--2 in case you want to watch some time. |
| 00:08.19 | Ashamed | but in reality their great grandparents did |
| 00:08.21 | Ashamed | not them |
| 00:08.42 | Mexa | It works for those famous stars don't it? |
| 00:08.49 | Ashamed | yep |
| 00:08.56 | Ashamed | but even them |
| 00:09.03 | Ashamed | its now like if you are in holiwood |
| 00:09.06 | Ashamed | then your children will be |
| 00:09.12 | Ashamed | and then you will become a singer too |
| 00:09.19 | Mexa | While famous artists like Robin here live in apartments and seem to live in a pretty similar home as the rest of us. |
| 00:09.31 | Ashamed | thats how it should be |
| 00:09.36 | Ashamed | Actors should not be rich |
| 00:09.39 | Ashamed | its fucken entertainment |
| 00:09.56 | Ashamed | i do not pay into sports/movies |
| 00:09.58 | Ashamed | every |
| 00:10.04 | Ashamed | i go see 1-3 movies a year |
| 00:10.30 | Mexa | I'd go and watch the movie in the cinema with company |
| 00:10.50 | Mexa | But yeah, about 3 movies a year too |
| 00:11.11 | Ashamed | i think its redic that the most payed jobs in america is entertainment |
| 00:11.17 | Ashamed | sports/movies |
| 00:11.26 | Mexa | Hey Jademus? |
| 00:11.26 | Ashamed | when we have people fighting for us in differnt countries |
| 00:11.31 | Ashamed | and they are paid less then me >< |
| 00:11.32 | Brainshack | ppl like to get entertained |
| 00:11.47 | Ashamed | not ppl like to get used |
| 00:11.48 | Mexa | I don't see any problem with entertainment tho. |
| 00:11.48 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 00:11.49 | Ashamed | no* |
| 00:11.58 | Mexa | Jade, nasl in 20minutes! |
| 00:12.00 | Ashamed | no i think we need entertaiment.. but how is it so expensive |
| 00:12.05 | JademusSreg | Aweomse. |
| 00:12.16 | Mexa | Oh |
| 00:12.22 | Ashamed | we pay movie stars.. and expect teachers to not get paid |
| 00:12.27 | Mexa | How much is a cinema ticket for you? |
| 00:12.40 | Ashamed | like 15 dollars a pce.. but if you go on a date |
| 00:12.44 | Ashamed | its about 60-75 dollars |
| 00:12.48 | Mexa | meh |
| 00:12.48 | Ashamed | no joke >< |
| 00:12.54 | Ashamed | unless you don't buy anything |
| 00:12.58 | Mexa | Because you serve the lady |
| 00:13.26 | Mexa | If you bought everything for yourself, it wouldn't now would it. |
| 00:13.48 | Ashamed | no you mean before going to the movies? |
| 00:13.54 | Ashamed | like brought the food in |
| 00:14.25 | Mexa | Eat at home:p? |
| 00:14.35 | Ashamed | well like i said mexa i am not that type of person |
| 00:14.37 | Ashamed | i do eat at home |
| 00:14.39 | DarkRevenant | lol |
| 00:14.44 | DarkRevenant | anyone know about mTwDIMAGA |
| 00:14.45 | Ashamed | i dont just give my money away |
| 00:14.46 | DarkRevenant | on EU |
| 00:14.48 | DarkRevenant | ? |
| 00:14.53 | Mexa | What about Dimaga? |
| 00:15.00 | DarkRevenant | not the player but the hacker |
| 00:15.07 | Mexa | the hacker? |
| 00:15.12 | Mexa | a copycat |
| 00:15.13 | Mexa | ? |
| 00:15.18 | Ashamed | i very much disagree with the system so i try my hardest not to buy into it |
| 00:15.24 | DarkRevenant | he's a |
| 00:15.26 | DarkRevenant | melee hacker |
| 00:15.29 | DarkRevenant | and a custom games hacker |
| 00:15.35 | DarkRevenant | he's been actively hacking and ruining mafia games for |
| 00:15.37 | DarkRevenant | two months |
| 00:15.45 | Ashamed | lol |
| 00:15.45 | DarkRevenant | and he melee hacked enough to get |
| 00:15.52 | DarkRevenant | nearly every high portrait |
| 00:15.55 | Mexa | Meh |
| 00:15.59 | Ashamed | well if this is so known |
| 00:16.01 | Mexa | Portrait bounty hunters |
| 00:16.02 | Ashamed | then why isn't he banned |
| 00:16.06 | DarkRevenant | beats me |
| 00:16.09 | DarkRevenant | i reported the other day |
| 00:16.15 | Mexa | They will go down, since Blizzard is getting more strict on those |
| 00:16.59 | Mexa | http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/174572/1/mTwDIMAGA/ can't be that he would be this good. |
| 00:17.01 | Ashamed | mexa how much does it cost you a year for school? |
| 00:17.23 | Mexa | Not a single penny |
| 00:17.35 | Mexa | Education and healthcare is free here |
| 00:17.35 | Ashamed | its free? |
| 00:17.43 | Ashamed | lol you wanna know how much it cost here? |
| 00:17.56 | Mexa | But we do take student loans if we don't have a job |
| 00:18.03 | Mexa | Since living still costs |
| 00:18.03 | Ashamed | about 60-100k a year and you are required to take about 4-6 classes that are not even in your career path |
| 00:18.08 | Ashamed | every year |
| 00:18.19 | Mexa | Yeah I know, you have it different:p |
| 00:18.20 | Ashamed | oh we get studen loans for school and living |
| 00:18.25 | Mexa | yup |
| 00:18.32 | Ashamed | most students are about 150k a year in debt |
| 00:18.36 | Ashamed | they go for 4-8 years |
| 00:18.39 | Mexa | That's what we get, loan and contributions |
| 00:18.43 | Ashamed | it takes them until they are 60 to pay it off |
| 00:19.04 | Mexa | We also need to pay back those loans with a certain percentage increase |
| 00:19.07 | Mexa | But yeah |
| 00:19.07 | Ashamed | or natianal student loan debt is the highest in the country :( |
| 00:19.15 | Ashamed | national* |
| 00:19.31 | Ashamed | not even house debt/credit card debt goes higher |
| 00:19.43 | Ashamed | and like i said they require us to pay for about 4-6 classes a year that we do not need |
| 00:19.48 | Mexa | I think it's more expensive for us tho. |
| 00:19.51 | Mexa | us people* |
| 00:20.13 | Ashamed | so you get about 500-800k in debt after school? |
| 00:20.21 | Mexa | 500k what |
| 00:20.24 | Mexa | usd? |
| 00:20.27 | Ashamed | 500 thousand yeah |
| 00:20.33 | Mexa | Let me estimate |
| 00:20.47 | Ashamed | its more expensive for you to just pay for living cost? |
| 00:20.51 | Ashamed | we have to pay for school and living cost |
| 00:22.35 | Mexa | my dept after 2 years is about 1800$ |
| 00:22.40 | Mexa | :3 |
| 00:22.48 | Mexa | oh waitr |
| 00:22.53 | Mexa | 18k$ |
| 00:22.56 | Mexa | But still low |
| 00:22.57 | Mexa | :D |
| 00:23.01 | DarkRevenant | that is not the |
| 00:23.04 | DarkRevenant | right dimaga |
| 00:23.06 | DarkRevenant | btw |
| 00:23.15 | Mexa | Not the cheater? |
| 00:23.23 | Ashamed | lol |
| 00:23.32 | Ashamed | yeah our country is all about money period |
| 00:23.54 | Mexa | Ashamed, but the dept will last about our entire lifetime to pay back, more or less |
| 00:24.03 | Mexa | Unless you speedpay it |
| 00:24.08 | Ashamed | mexa :0 |
| 00:24.13 | Ashamed | well ours does too |
| 00:24.16 | Ashamed | plus house devt |
| 00:24.17 | Ashamed | debt |
| 00:24.20 | Ashamed | credit card debt |
| 00:24.28 | Mexa | I mean, also theres an extra fee the longer the time goes |
| 00:24.32 | Mexa | Like every other loan |
| 00:24.40 | Ashamed | yeah |
| 00:24.42 | Mexa | But I recall it be pretty low, but still |
| 00:25.05 | Ashamed | -.- about 25% of people in america that get loans default on them |
| 00:25.16 | Ashamed | and never pay the moff |
| 00:25.19 | Ashamed | their entire life |
| 00:25.56 | Ashamed | this is how i look at it.. for schooling we are required to go to about 13 years of free school |
| 00:25.59 | Mexa | ah, there's a fee of 1.9% per month |
| 00:26.05 | Ashamed | where we learn english/science/math/history |
| 00:26.28 | Ashamed | then when we go to college no matter what we want to learn we are required to pay the company ( school ) for math/english/science/history |
| 00:26.47 | Ashamed | in order to go to college in this country... no matter waht you want to learn.. we are required to pay schools for classes we already took for free |
| 00:27.09 | Mexa | swedish/english/math were all core subjects for us for 12 years |
| 00:27.17 | Ashamed | you still taking them in college? |
| 00:27.40 | Mexa | no, then we get an education we applied for |
| 00:27.50 | Ashamed | our contry makes it illegal not to learn them as children |
| 00:28.02 | Ashamed | and then makes it so we have to pay an extra 10-15k a year for them |
| 00:28.04 | Mexa | I'm not on college specifically, I guess in US there's a difference of college and university |
| 00:28.12 | Ashamed | even though we were by law required to learn them |
| 00:28.16 | Mexa | While here, they are pretty much the same as university |
| 00:28.18 | Ashamed | we have trade schools |
| 00:28.21 | Ashamed | and university |
| 00:28.27 | Ashamed | but most trade schools are scams |
| 00:28.34 | Ashamed | and you dont get a better job by going to them |
| 00:28.46 | Ashamed | i am just talking about universities |
| 00:28.48 | Ashamed | not college |
| 00:28.58 | Ashamed | we do have something called community college |
| 00:29.03 | Ashamed | and if you are smart.. you will do that first |
| 00:29.10 | Ashamed | because its about 76% cheaper |
| 00:29.19 | Ashamed | and it takes 2 years off your university requirments |
| 00:29.28 | Ashamed | but we are still required to pay for core classes |
| 00:29.31 | Ashamed | that we already learned |
| 00:29.41 | Ashamed | and then required to go to a university for another 2-4 years |
| 00:29.42 | Ashamed | after that |
| 00:29.43 | JademusSreg | Damn, NASL already started? |
| 00:29.51 | Mexa | 1 minute Jade |
| 00:30.03 | Ashamed | Mephs for example smart dude... never went to school |
| 00:30.05 | Mexa | Ashamed, this is what we have anywho http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_college_(Scandinavia) |
| 00:30.07 | Ashamed | because its so hard in this country |
| 00:30.18 | JademusSreg | I see Naniwa vs Nada |
| 00:30.49 | Ashamed | SAVE ME MEXA |
| 00:30.56 | Ashamed | i am moving to your house in 3 years |
| 00:31.03 | Mexa | Jade, it's a *forplay* |
| 00:31.08 | JademusSreg | Ooolala |
| 00:31.09 | Mexa | I mean, preplay |
| 00:31.11 | Mexa | lols |
| 00:31.11 | Ashamed | brb |
| 00:31.13 | JademusSreg | It's getting me wet. |
| 00:31.16 | Mexa | <.< |
| 00:31.19 | Mexa | Nou |
| 00:31.22 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 00:32.11 | Mexa | Jade, I think it is a replay since a week ago |
| 00:32.13 | JademusSreg | Anyway, Ash is correct; the US sucks for the proletariat. But then, that is always the case. |
| 00:32.18 | Mexa | They usually begin it with that |
| 00:32.25 | JademusSreg | To varying degrees, of course. |
| 00:32.41 | Mexa | I see |
| 00:32.57 | Mexa | Yeah, I am happy with Sweden and education this way :D |
| 00:33.25 | JademusSreg | US public education is terrible, I can assure you. |
| 00:33.33 | Mexa | Jademus, the first game today will be Nani vs Slush |
| 00:33.39 | Mexa | *Nada |
| 00:33.41 | JademusSreg | Your only hope is to be autodidactic. |
| 00:33.55 | Mexa | Is private any better? |
| 00:34.44 | JademusSreg | That's what they would advertise, I imagine. Consider that private funding gives them license to do silly things, like promote religion. |
| 00:35.51 | Deaod | im not sure i like private schools |
| 00:35.55 | Deaod | or home schooling |
| 00:37.51 | Deaod | actually, im sure i dont like them. |
| 00:38.10 | Mexa | yeah, I suspect they are unfair or so. |
| 00:38.38 | Mexa | Or Idk |
| 00:38.47 | Deaod | well, home schooling is inherently doomed to fail. |
| 00:38.57 | Mexa | But nonfunded governmented schools here seems like a waste. |
| 00:39.16 | Mexa | lol |
| 00:39.29 | Deaod | and private schools just divide the population |
| 00:40.12 | Mexa | mm |
| 00:41.14 | Mexa | Hmm Jade, at least I am sure that is a replay since last week |
| 00:41.33 | Mexa | Since they're not suppose to play against each other today |
| 00:41.41 | Mexa | Probably a delay. |
| 00:43.02 | Ashamed | -.- |
| 00:43.16 | Ashamed | i think the worse thing about public school is it is require for us to take our 4 core classes |
| 00:43.18 | Ashamed | and then we go to college |
| 00:43.26 | Ashamed | and we find out its again required for us to pay someone to take core classes |
| 00:43.39 | Ashamed | its like why did you just teach me these classes... for me to just pay you for them later on |
| 00:44.30 | Mexa | heh |
| 00:44.54 | Mexa | Yeah ours goes separate way there, tho we do require certain core levels to apply for certain educations |
| 00:47.50 | Mexa | h well |
| 00:48.05 | Mexa | NASL start please :< |
| 00:48.20 | Mexa | Hey Deaod? |
| 00:48.29 | Deaod | yeah? |
| 00:48.38 | Mexa | SO the only value types of galaxy is the primitive types, right? |
| 00:48.59 | Mexa | I mean, int, fixed, bool, char |
| 00:49.02 | Mexa | and byte |
| 00:49.12 | Mexa | Anything else? |
| 00:49.49 | Mexa | And strings are serializabled so it's about the same effect, is it not? |
| 00:50.00 | Deaod | strings |
| 00:50.09 | Mexa | yeah |
| 00:50.11 | Mexa | ok |
| 00:50.22 | Deaod | strings behave like primitive types |
| 00:50.28 | Mexa | aye |
| 00:50.33 | Deaod | so theyre indistinguishable |
| 00:50.55 | Mexa | In a sense then, strings should be slow to pass around as argument right? |
| 00:51.05 | Deaod | nope |
| 00:51.13 | Ashamed | i love how these guys talk to each other |
| 00:51.14 | Mexa | oh, hm |
| 00:51.25 | Deaod | you know how strings work in WC3? |
| 00:51.25 | Ashamed | if i ever met the announcers i would be like you guy sare really gay |
| 00:51.28 | Mexa | Ashamed, on nasl? |
| 00:51.29 | Ashamed | yeah |
| 00:51.31 | Ashamed | lol |
| 00:51.39 | Mexa | lol |
| 00:51.44 | Ashamed | they are the worse announcers ever |
| 00:51.46 | Deaod | with the string table and all |
| 00:51.55 | Ashamed | the guy on the left is the worse |
| 00:52.01 | Brainshack | so youre a homophobe or whats so wrong about being gay? |
| 00:52.02 | Ashamed | he looks at the toher guy with a grin and then shakes his head |
| 00:52.15 | Ashamed | did i say there was anything wrong with being gay? |
| 00:52.16 | Mexa | the guy on the left have always been worse, I'll give you that |
| 00:52.29 | Ashamed | i jsut noted i would let them know they were gay together |
| 00:52.47 | Ashamed | yah but the guy on the left always makes me laugh |
| 00:52.48 | Ashamed | lol |
| 00:52.49 | Mexa | Deaod, ah, |
| 00:52.52 | Mexa | cools, ok |
| 00:52.53 | Deaod | got a link? |
| 00:52.58 | Brainshack | guess if it would be that way, theyd allready know xD |
| 00:53.02 | Brainshack | http://nasl.tv/ |
| 00:53.03 | Mexa | http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/NASL.tv |
| 00:53.12 | *** join/#sc2mapster HeelGrabber (~HeelGrabb@173-230-172-164.cable.teksavvy.com) |
| 00:53.12 | Mexa | or the other one |
| 00:53.58 | Ashamed | but brainshack if you want me to note what i think is wrong with being gay.. it would only be that its against all of humanity... and the progress of man |
| 00:54.04 | Brainshack | but to be fair, that left guy really got the looks like, yeah i love u ,mate xD |
| 00:54.25 | Brainshack | is it me or is the sound just srewing up? |
| 00:54.30 | Deaod | it appears they have some problems with their sound |
| 00:54.35 | Ashamed | its with me too |
| 00:54.44 | Ashamed | he is SO stronng |
| 00:54.45 | Ashamed | OMG |
| 00:54.49 | Ashamed | they have to be gay |
| 00:55.03 | Ashamed | i swear i keep seeing them look at each others junk too |
| 00:55.09 | Deaod | its gonna fuck up again |
| 00:55.11 | Deaod | there we go |
| 00:55.12 | Ashamed | yep |
| 00:55.15 | Deaod | YAY |
| 00:55.17 | Mexa | Lol, you're just jealous now. |
| 00:55.24 | Ashamed | lol that must be it mexa |
| 00:55.28 | Mexa | :3 |
| 00:55.36 | Brainshack | yeah you wish to be just in between of both now :P |
| 00:55.41 | Ashamed | oh god i do |
| 00:55.44 | Ashamed | i love sc2 n3rds |
| 00:56.03 | Deaod | the right one looks like a robot. |
| 00:56.07 | Ashamed | i would hump any one of you in an instance |
| 00:56.10 | Mexa | "If Facebook was a country it would be the world's 3rd largest country in terms of population." oh shi- |
| 00:56.37 | Ashamed | oh shiz |
| 00:56.44 | Ashamed | china still bigger |
| 00:56.51 | Ashamed | india |
| 00:56.57 | Ashamed | china and india?? |
| 00:57.00 | Ashamed | right |
| 00:57.01 | Mexa | "Youtube uses the same amount of bandwidth per day as the entire Internet used in 2000" |
| 00:57.14 | Ashamed | i could see that |
| 00:57.20 | Mexa | Still alot |
| 00:57.23 | Ashamed | but i do not like the youtube server at all |
| 00:57.28 | Ashamed | its like good some days |
| 00:57.31 | Ashamed | but bad other times |
| 00:57.35 | Ashamed | and it pisses me off |
| 00:57.37 | Brainshack | Squirtle is a pokemon isnt it? :p |
| 00:57.38 | Mexa | Or well, I do imagine it is alot, since I don't have any numbers |
| 00:57.45 | Mexa | yep |
| 00:57.50 | Mexa | And a player ;p |
| 00:58.04 | Brainshack | youtube runs like a charm usually for em |
| 00:58.06 | Brainshack | me |
| 00:58.15 | Mexa | http://www.todayifoundout.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Social-Media-Infographic1.jpg |
| 00:58.22 | Ashamed | why are they talking about pvp in sc2 |
| 00:58.35 | Ashamed | ..... i would never take someone seriouse if they told me they were only good against pcs |
| 00:58.36 | Mexa | Because you love protoss |
| 00:58.59 | Mexa | "Social media has overtaken porn as the #1 activity on the web" harr. |
| 00:59.05 | Ashamed | duh |
| 00:59.07 | Ashamed | we all know that |
| 00:59.15 | Mexa | zugzug |
| 00:59.21 | Ashamed | thats why i dl! |
| 00:59.33 | Brainshack | the internet is for porn, not for being social... |
| 00:59.43 | Ashamed | dl = only once |
| 00:59.45 | Ashamed | and then its all local :) |
| 01:00.07 | Brainshack | you dont dl porn in days of youporn, redtube etc. :P |
| 01:00.14 | Ashamed | spankwire |
| 01:00.17 | Brainshack | they even have better bandwith then youtube i guess :D |
| 01:00.18 | Ashamed | is the best |
| 01:00.22 | Ashamed | lol |
| 01:00.24 | Brainshack | cuz they never lag |
| 01:00.25 | Ashamed | i would imagine they would |
| 01:00.44 | Ashamed | i dunno dl is still better |
| 01:00.47 | Ashamed | then you get the hd |
| 01:00.50 | Ashamed | and dont have to pay for it |
| 01:00.51 | Mexa | Why watch the same pr0n over and over? |
| 01:01.05 | Brainshack | you dont pay for porn streams :> |
| 01:01.07 | Ashamed | oh i am not saying dont dl alot |
| 01:01.17 | Ashamed | i said HD brain |
| 01:01.41 | Ashamed | oh man he needs to get in the mood right now |
| 01:01.41 | Mexa | meh |
| 01:01.46 | Brainshack | dont need hd, booties are big enough even without :P |
| 01:01.52 | Mexa | With streams I can hide my activities better:D |
| 01:02.02 | Ashamed | oh mexa do we need to get in there |
| 01:02.09 | Ashamed | i have created a batch script that will rename my files |
| 01:02.11 | Mexa | nope |
| 01:02.14 | Ashamed | -.- to like .exe's |
| 01:02.15 | Ashamed | and shit |
| 01:02.17 | Ashamed | lol |
| 01:02.18 | Mexa | lol |
| 01:02.33 | Mexa | Not going to stop anyone if it looks fishy. |
| 01:02.45 | HeelGrabber | anybody willing to 1on1chat and help me out for a sec with player groups |
| 01:02.53 | Ashamed | they would have to guess the extention first |
| 01:03.04 | Mexa | SLUSH VS NADA NOW |
| 01:03.10 | Ashamed | i am wathcing! |
| 01:03.14 | Mexa | :d |
| 01:03.30 | Ashamed | LET ME TURN OF THE PR0N |
| 01:03.51 | Ashamed | off* |
| 01:04.13 | Ashamed | that is what we are going to see |
| 01:04.17 | Ashamed | the announcers are never right |
| 01:04.32 | Ashamed | lol |
| 01:04.33 | Ashamed | there it is |
| 01:04.34 | Ashamed | told you |
| 01:05.56 | Brainshack | when cheese faisl |
| 01:06.12 | Brainshack | fails even |
| 01:06.33 | Mexa | I've seen cheese fail more than that .-. |
| 01:07.26 | Mexa | Best thing would be when someone gets cheesed, fail, and then gets cheesed back, and finally rage over being cheesed and losing. |
| 01:07.42 | Brainshack | actually seen that o WCF |
| 01:08.25 | HeelGrabber | quick question, if i want to make a player group do i new variable and type player group and thats it? then add players to player group |
| 01:08.55 | JademusSreg | Initialize the variable. |
| 01:09.06 | JademusSreg | With an empty playergroup. |
| 01:09.10 | Ashamed | yeah |
| 01:09.11 | Mexa | I think it's defaultly empty |
| 01:09.14 | JademusSreg | Otherwise, you're adding them to null. |
| 01:09.30 | Mexa | might be wrong tho.. |
| 01:10.01 | HeelGrabber | so i make the variables under melee initilization? |
| 01:10.11 | Ashamed | map init |
| 01:10.36 | Ashamed | banlings misss |
| 01:10.37 | Ashamed | noob |
| 01:10.45 | JademusSreg | Lrn2autocast |
| 01:10.47 | Mexa | :\ |
| 01:11.00 | JademusSreg | Also, better position |
| 01:11.02 | Ashamed | terran won this match |
| 01:11.07 | HeelGrabber | thanks |
| 01:11.12 | HeelGrabber | ill try |
| 01:11.13 | JademusSreg | Not just any terran, Nada! |
| 01:11.19 | Ashamed | gg |
| 01:11.30 | Ashamed | GG |
| 01:11.33 | Ashamed | omg |
| 01:11.41 | Mexa | .__ again |
| 01:11.51 | JademusSreg | All he had to do is right click on unburrow srsly. |
| 01:12.07 | Ashamed | how did slush get this far? |
| 01:12.12 | Ashamed | does not seem like his macro is very good |
| 01:13.03 | Ashamed | oh he is doing pretty good with the mutas though |
| 01:13.32 | Ashamed | omg |
| 01:13.35 | Ashamed | WHAT IS THIS GUY DOING |
| 01:14.02 | Mexa | finally tho |
| 01:14.03 | Brainshack | ouchy |
| 01:14.06 | Ashamed | lol |
| 01:14.24 | Brainshack | that terran surely was like WTF! |
| 01:15.12 | Ashamed | lol |
| 01:15.16 | Ashamed | if nada loses |
| 01:15.19 | Ashamed | i will laugh |
| 01:15.47 | Ashamed | he should of quit going with tanks when he realized slush was going with mutas |
| 01:15.57 | JademusSreg | Nice first match, at least. |
| 01:16.21 | JademusSreg | Full of laughs. |
| 01:16.37 | Ashamed | 2 thors are out |
| 01:16.41 | Ashamed | and that was like 2 minutes ago |
| 01:16.51 | JademusSreg | 2 Thors could be focused down easily. |
| 01:16.53 | *** join/#sc2mapster Sevenix (pheonix@c-83-233-145-151.cust.bredband2.com) |
| 01:17.01 | JademusSreg | If they don't have marine support. |
| 01:17.06 | Ashamed | but they keep the mutas from just destroying |
| 01:17.27 | Ashamed | lol |
| 01:17.36 | JademusSreg | Marines melt mutas, so funny. |
| 01:17.57 | JademusSreg | Just turned into a gory rain, instantly. |
| 01:18.02 | Ashamed | lol |
| 01:18.04 | JademusSreg | Kinda pretty. |
| 01:18.28 | Ashamed | reminds me of old sc |
| 01:18.31 | Ashamed | bounds |
| 01:18.32 | Ashamed | -.- |
| 01:18.52 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 01:19.01 | Ashamed | you guys wanna hear something crazy |
| 01:19.15 | Ashamed | i invented bounds on sc :)............ it was with this shitty map |
| 01:19.29 | Ashamed | but it was like 1-2 years after the release |
| 01:19.37 | Ashamed | i called the map the great race |
| 01:19.56 | JademusSreg | Congrats. Still hate it. |
| 01:20.01 | Ashamed | g00d |
| 01:20.04 | Ashamed | I do too |
| 01:20.05 | JademusSreg | I have you to blame! =D |
| 01:20.30 | Ashamed | it was a horrable map |
| 01:20.41 | Ashamed | like my 2nd or 3rd map ever |
| 01:21.17 | Mexa | :| I forgot to put the milk back in the freezer this morning |
| 01:21.24 | Mexa | *fridge |
| 01:21.24 | Ashamed | freezer? |
| 01:21.28 | Ashamed | gross |
| 01:21.32 | Mexa | typo |
| 01:21.40 | Ashamed | i ran out of milk this morning :( |
| 01:21.43 | Mexa | or wrong word even. |
| 01:22.19 | Ashamed | anyone here play sc? |
| 01:23.01 | JademusSreg | Way back when. |
| 01:23.07 | Ashamed | rmber worker rushes |
| 01:23.08 | Ashamed | lol |
| 01:23.27 | JademusSreg | I remember, still happens to this very day. |
| 01:23.32 | Ashamed | oh really |
| 01:23.34 | Ashamed | peeps still do it |
| 01:23.36 | Ashamed | n00bz |
| 01:23.38 | JademusSreg | I imagine it happened in wc1, too. |
| 01:23.44 | Ashamed | i dunno i do not play sc2 rts very much |
| 01:23.46 | JademusSreg | I've seen it happen a lot in wc3. |
| 01:23.53 | JademusSreg | Especially alliance. |
| 01:24.11 | JademusSreg | Humans would make their peasants into militia and rush. |
| 01:24.25 | JademusSreg | Close spawns would make that effective. |
| 01:24.28 | Ashamed | i have always been really good at rts |
| 01:24.35 | Ashamed | i think that is why i no longer like playing them |
| 01:24.53 | JademusSreg | I encourage you to go pro, then. |
| 01:25.01 | Ashamed | i am not that good |
| 01:25.01 | *** join/#sc2mapster Cintiq (~cintiq@219-90-160-13.ip.adam.com.au) |
| 01:25.13 | Ashamed | i started playing a bit sc2 |
| 01:25.16 | Ashamed | and i was doing good |
| 01:25.22 | Ashamed | winning 90% of my matches |
| 01:25.26 | Ashamed | but it got borring |
| 01:25.28 | Ashamed | i dunno >< |
| 01:25.47 | Ashamed | i suck with zerg though |
| 01:26.00 | Ashamed | i am use to sc hatchery spam |
| 01:26.07 | Ashamed | and when queens flew |
| 01:27.19 | Brainshack | about worker rushes |
| 01:27.36 | Brainshack | i remember the casters of when ceese fails complaining about most replays being drone rushes xD |
| 01:27.41 | Brainshack | so ye it seems to be done alot |
| 01:28.04 | Brainshack | Ashamed in which league? |
| 01:28.07 | Mexa | The best game I ever played was when I played 3v3 with 2 of my friends |
| 01:28.15 | Mexa | And 2of their team worker rushed me |
| 01:28.17 | Mexa | And I won |
| 01:28.26 | Ashamed | training brain.. like i said i didnt play it very much |
| 01:28.31 | Ashamed | lol |
| 01:28.36 | Brainshack | hehe |
| 01:28.37 | Ashamed | i got bored of rts |
| 01:28.41 | Ashamed | after sc |
| 01:28.57 | Brainshack | i started playing a short time ago |
| 01:28.59 | Ashamed | and i feel like the only race they changed in sc2 was zerg |
| 01:29.08 | Mexa | You should test the rts Jademus linked before |
| 01:29.17 | Brainshack | had to do my placaement match since there was a ladder reset or smthg like this, dunno |
| 01:29.22 | Brainshack | well i lost this one |
| 01:29.26 | Brainshack | but still got to platinum |
| 01:29.31 | Brainshack | and was raped like |
| 01:29.33 | Brainshack | 20 games after that |
| 01:29.40 | Brainshack | that sucked xD |
| 01:29.49 | Ashamed | i have litterally prob have played less then 10 matches |
| 01:29.50 | Ashamed | in sc2 |
| 01:30.10 | Ashamed | and prob won 8 of them |
| 01:30.10 | Ashamed | lol |
| 01:30.22 | Ashamed | i rmber my freind was playing and he was getting into it |
| 01:30.25 | Ashamed | and i was like let me do one |
| 01:30.31 | Ashamed | and he wa slike you better not lose i have been doing good |
| 01:30.38 | Ashamed | and i doubled his score |
| 01:30.45 | Ashamed | and i was like... that was the first match i have ever played on sc2 |
| 01:30.47 | Ashamed | gg noob |
| 01:31.03 | Brainshack | i will never be good at sc |
| 01:31.08 | Brainshack | i just dont have what it takes xD |
| 01:31.13 | Ashamed | yeah |
| 01:31.15 | Ashamed | its hard |
| 01:31.15 | Brainshack | always srec up my macro |
| 01:31.21 | Ashamed | if you cant get macro up good |
| 01:31.32 | Brainshack | like what when cheese fails calls facebook money xD |
| 01:31.34 | Ashamed | but i dunno if you are fast enough with your mouse |
| 01:31.38 | Ashamed | you can be decent without macro |
| 01:31.42 | Brainshack | or be supply blocked etc |
| 01:31.56 | Ashamed | not an expert but good at least |
| 01:32.13 | Ashamed | you gotta realize like 90% of the population prob sucks just as bad at macro as you do lol |
| 01:32.13 | Brainshack | im getting better |
| 01:32.17 | Brainshack | but still not good xD |
| 01:32.49 | Ashamed | i just started playing wow like 2 weeks ago... and i already am top dps and can tank |
| 01:32.54 | Brainshack | maybe i should switch back to toss, i was better with them i guess |
| 01:32.57 | Ashamed | there are just people that are not good at games |
| 01:32.59 | Ashamed | and people that are |
| 01:33.02 | Brainshack | wow is |
| 01:33.03 | Brainshack | well |
| 01:33.06 | Brainshack | easy?^^ |
| 01:33.11 | Ashamed | yeah super easy |
| 01:33.13 | Brainshack | never had problems with it |
| 01:33.16 | Ashamed | but i still run into noobs |
| 01:33.20 | Brainshack | dont get what ppl are mesing up at it^^ |
| 01:33.25 | Ashamed | and i am like i have been playing 2 weeks and you have 3 max |
| 01:33.29 | Ashamed | how am i better then you |
| 01:34.01 | Brainshack | you know in classic times |
| 01:34.02 | Ashamed | i rmber i made a tank spec and the very first tank run i didnt let anyone die |
| 01:34.03 | Brainshack | with MC |
| 01:34.08 | Ashamed | MC :) |
| 01:34.09 | Brainshack | tanking really was |
| 01:34.20 | Brainshack | what should i say |
| 01:34.26 | Brainshack | meeeeee |
| 01:34.31 | Brainshack | hmpf |
| 01:34.35 | Brainshack | dont know the english word |
| 01:34.39 | Brainshack | sec |
| 01:34.45 | Ashamed | lol |
| 01:34.47 | Ashamed | brain where you from? |
| 01:34.52 | Brainshack | germany |
| 01:34.57 | Brainshack | ah silly me |
| 01:35.01 | Brainshack | challeging |
| 01:35.02 | Brainshack | ! |
| 01:35.04 | Brainshack | thats it |
| 01:35.12 | Brainshack | and it was so much fun |
| 01:35.24 | Brainshack | when i first tanked zg |
| 01:35.38 | Brainshack | so proud i got my blue eq together |
| 01:35.39 | Brainshack | xD |
| 01:35.49 | Brainshack | now you just go to a vendor |
| 01:35.51 | Brainshack | ....... |
| 01:35.53 | Ashamed | my first tank was nexus |
| 01:35.59 | Ashamed | 0,0 |
| 01:36.03 | Ashamed | i am not even 85 |
| 01:36.08 | Ashamed | but i have only had the game for 2 weeks >< |
| 01:36.12 | Ashamed | i am 72 |
| 01:36.41 | Jum-Jum | cheering for slush, the underdog |
| 01:36.44 | Ashamed | no |
| 01:36.47 | Ashamed | ZERG SUCKS |
| 01:36.49 | Brainshack | you know when cataclysm launched, like the first 1-2 weeks, the horics where quite hard |
| 01:36.51 | Brainshack | but know |
| 01:36.55 | Brainshack | its all so cheesy |
| 01:36.59 | Ashamed | is slush korean? |
| 01:37.00 | Brainshack | i dont like that game anymore |
| 01:37.21 | Ashamed | yeah brain i honestly dont like it too much |
| 01:37.22 | Brainshack | well seems that what happens when you play stuff for years |
| 01:37.28 | Ashamed | i just started playing cuz of a few buddies of mine |
| 01:37.39 | Ashamed | it feels like they made it so the game is only end game now |
| 01:37.56 | Brainshack | age of conan hsa 3 years anniversary and i can play for free till end of may |
| 01:38.00 | Jum-Jum | slush is not korean |
| 01:38.03 | Brainshack | thats quite a fun game xD |
| 01:38.13 | Ashamed | slush some kind of asian? |
| 01:38.44 | JademusSreg | Slush is totally fucked. |
| 01:38.49 | Ashamed | he is every match |
| 01:38.50 | Ashamed | lol |
| 01:39.02 | Ashamed | i feel slush is not very good at macro |
| 01:39.04 | Brainshack | isnt slush somethiung you can drink? |
| 01:39.09 | Ashamed | slushee |
| 01:39.16 | Ashamed | its a frozen drink 7-11 sales |
| 01:39.31 | Ashamed | pretty good |
| 01:39.44 | Brainshack | like a squeshee? |
| 01:39.45 | Brainshack | xD |
| 01:39.48 | Ashamed | yep |
| 01:39.51 | Brainshack | or whats it called in the simpsons |
| 01:39.52 | Ashamed | it is exactly the same thing |
| 01:39.53 | Ashamed | lol |
| 01:39.56 | Ashamed | thats it |
| 01:39.57 | Jum-Jum | slush is not asian |
| 01:39.59 | Jum-Jum | dont know where he is from |
| 01:40.03 | Jum-Jum | european I think |
| 01:40.05 | Ashamed | i thought he was...? |
| 01:40.06 | Jum-Jum | dont know what country |
| 01:40.13 | Brainshack | canadian |
| 01:40.16 | Jum-Jum | YOU THINK WRONG |
| 01:40.19 | Ashamed | GOOD |
| 01:40.24 | Ashamed | i like thinking wrong |
| 01:40.35 | Jum-Jum | everytime I see root play they always surprise me |
| 01:40.38 | Jum-Jum | not enough for nada tho! |
| 01:40.39 | Brainshack | Paul âDavid Pagé aka âSlushâ is a Zerg player from Canada |
| 01:41.19 | Ashamed | i think i was thinking of nada >< |
| 01:42.09 | Deaod | nada isnt european either |
| 01:42.15 | Ashamed | nada is korean |
| 01:42.32 | Jum-Jum | He hasn't been performing as godly as he does in SC1 so far |
| 01:42.32 | Deaod | ie not european |
| 01:42.37 | Jum-Jum | But looks like hes catching up |
| 01:42.38 | Jum-Jum | lately |
| 01:42.39 | Ashamed | i ddint say eu |
| 01:42.59 | Ashamed | terran is my favorite race |
| 01:43.54 | Jum-Jum | I'm a zerg player |
| 01:44.01 | Ashamed | man jum |
| 01:44.06 | Ashamed | i may have to kill you know |
| 01:44.09 | Jum-Jum | :( |
| 01:44.12 | Ashamed | zerg = worse |
| 01:44.13 | Jum-Jum | no h8 |
| 01:44.17 | Ashamed | :0 ok |
| 01:44.20 | Jum-Jum | We are outnumbered! |
| 01:44.24 | Jum-Jum | According to Blizzard stats |
| 01:44.31 | Ashamed | oh zerg lowest played? |
| 01:44.36 | Jum-Jum | yep |
| 01:44.41 | Ashamed | it would make sense |
| 01:44.42 | Jum-Jum | like 40 or 45% |
| 01:44.48 | Ashamed | i dunno with sc2 i think they balanced the rushing |
| 01:44.50 | Jum-Jum | no wait |
| 01:44.53 | Jum-Jum | wrong numbers lol |
| 01:44.55 | Ashamed | but in sc zerg was reallyt eh only class that rushed |
| 01:45.03 | Ashamed | i didnt like them at all in sc |
| 01:45.16 | Jum-Jum | i tried playing zerg in sc1 so much |
| 01:45.27 | Jum-Jum | always played against 2 guys i knew, and they played so much so i always lost in the end |
| 01:45.33 | Ashamed | i felt like they were cheap |
| 01:45.37 | Jum-Jum | the first games it was like even, really tense and even |
| 01:45.41 | Ashamed | like i dont think they are very much now |
| 01:45.43 | Ashamed | but in sc i did |
| 01:45.51 | Jum-Jum | but in the end i just got annoyed at how you can't keep up with everything in the game |
| 01:46.04 | Jum-Jum | especially as zerg |
| 01:46.15 | Jum-Jum | while now I have full control in sc2! |
| 01:46.16 | Jum-Jum | \o/ |
| 01:47.13 | Mexa | Hey Deaod? |
| 01:47.18 | Ashamed | he is dead |
| 01:47.20 | Ashamed | :( |
| 01:47.24 | Mexa | hrm |
| 01:47.28 | Deaod | no im not. |
| 01:47.30 | Ashamed | oh |
| 01:47.31 | Jum-Jum | deaods |
| 01:47.32 | Ashamed | he isn't |
| 01:47.36 | Mexa | Deaod, animfilter is not a valid native type |
| 01:47.42 | Deaod | what the fuck. |
| 01:47.49 | Deaod | this shit is getting insane |
| 01:47.50 | Jum-Jum | You're from the US, right Ashamed? |
| 01:47.56 | Ashamed | yeah |
| 01:47.59 | Jum-Jum | check |
| 01:48.07 | Ashamed | :( i wish i wasn't |
| 01:48.10 | Ashamed | i hate America |
| 01:48.23 | Jum-Jum | seems like the majority of the people in here are from the americans of states |
| 01:48.32 | Jum-Jum | America is pretty messed up |
| 01:48.34 | Mexa | Deaod, where did you see them mention that, tho .-.? |
| 01:48.44 | Ashamed | its getting worse every day jum-jum |
| 01:48.50 | Deaod | natives.galaxy |
| 01:48.52 | Jum-Jum | the only americans I like are the ones who disslike their own country! that just proves that they're not idiots |
| 01:48.54 | Jum-Jum | and I hate idiots :D |
| 01:48.58 | Deaod | theres a bit of documentation at the top |
| 01:49.04 | Ashamed | me too jum-jum |
| 01:49.06 | Ashamed | i call tehm zombies |
| 01:49.11 | Ashamed | and America is the best at it |
| 01:49.13 | Jum-Jum | lol |
| 01:49.34 | *** join/#sc2mapster LordAbyss (~Christoph@ip72-201-114-36.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 01:49.36 | Ashamed | um i will belive in God because you tell me too.. and because this book that was written 2000 years ago tells me too |
| 01:49.40 | Ashamed | ... its like UM NO |
| 01:49.50 | Jum-Jum | ITS OLD! That means its true!!!!!!!! |
| 01:49.54 | Ashamed | lol |
| 01:50.03 | Mexa | Deaod, animfilter isn't mentioned :v |
| 01:50.19 | Deaod | wait what? |
| 01:50.24 | Jum-Jum | watching the stream Ashamed? |
| 01:50.27 | Jum-Jum | blink pwn! |
| 01:50.28 | Ashamed | yeah |
| 01:50.33 | Jum-Jum | naniwa is so good |
| 01:50.44 | Ashamed | for sure |
| 01:50.49 | Ashamed | macro :) |
| 01:50.51 | Ashamed | lol |
| 01:51.00 | Jum-Jum | I feel like the game has finally reached the point where players do really impressive stuff |
| 01:51.03 | Ashamed | its over already |
| 01:51.22 | Deaod | errr |
| 01:51.28 | Deaod | where did you get animfilter from? |
| 01:51.35 | Deaod | where did i mention it? |
| 01:51.43 | Mexa | your galaxy.txt |
| 01:51.50 | Deaod | oh |
| 01:51.51 | Deaod | hmmm |
| 01:52.00 | Ashamed | gosh deaod how about you remeber a bit better |
| 01:52.01 | Deaod | thats probably a list of native types Mindy extracted |
| 01:52.21 | Mexa | Oh, so they might be old since the beta, or just scrapped I suppose. |
| 01:52.29 | Deaod | yeah |
| 01:52.34 | Mexa | animfilter is, anyway |
| 01:52.58 | Ashamed | i like the same race vs same race |
| 01:53.04 | Mexa | The other ones look legit. |
| 01:53.05 | Ashamed | i feel like that shows your real skills |
| 01:54.11 | Ashamed | because they can blink? |
| 01:54.13 | Brainshack | playin nasl must be really worth it |
| 01:54.13 | Ashamed | lol |
| 01:54.24 | Brainshack | i would have to stand up at 4am just to play^^ |
| 01:54.32 | Brainshack | man |
| 01:54.35 | Brainshack | what a sentence |
| 01:54.39 | Mexa | Oh, the cast is not entirely live I think |
| 01:54.47 | Mexa | But the stream is |
| 01:55.04 | Ashamed | my tummy hurts :( |
| 01:55.08 | Brainshack | well its not a replay |
| 01:55.12 | Mexa | I know |
| 01:55.18 | Mexa | The stream is live |
| 01:55.26 | HeelGrabber | http://imageshack.us/f/845/helpf.jpg/ does this look right? |
| 01:55.34 | Mexa | But the cast probably happend during the day |
| 01:55.40 | Brainshack | how could the stream be liev if this game isnt since its no replay? xD |
| 01:55.40 | Mexa | I mean the plays |
| 01:55.53 | Mexa | Because they might just hit a video for you? |
| 01:55.57 | Mexa | :> |
| 01:56.02 | Brainshack | what wouldnt be live anymore! |
| 01:56.09 | Mexa | The stream, is live |
| 01:56.20 | Mexa | It is schedule to be live at this time of the day |
| 01:56.25 | Mexa | But the matches might not be |
| 01:56.32 | Mexa | STREAM |
| 01:56.34 | Brainshack | that makes no sense |
| 01:56.40 | Brainshack | xD |
| 01:56.41 | Ashamed | brain it does |
| 01:56.43 | Mexa | You don't understand<.<? |
| 01:56.52 | Ashamed | he is saying the casters are currently in a building talking about this game |
| 01:56.56 | Ashamed | but the game may of happened hours ago |
| 01:57.06 | Brainshack | just because i stream a video at a given time it doesnt make i a live match |
| 01:57.15 | Ashamed | ... the match is not live |
| 01:57.19 | Ashamed | the casters that are talking are live |
| 01:57.21 | Mexa | I said the stream is live |
| 01:57.27 | Ashamed | like they are currently talking about this game right now |
| 01:57.28 | Ashamed | this second |
| 01:57.30 | Ashamed | but the game is old |
| 01:57.33 | Mexa | The stream is streaming now |
| 01:57.37 | Mexa | So thus it is live |
| 01:57.38 | Brainshack | you mean they srsly made a video of the game and now are talking over this? |
| 01:57.46 | Ashamed | yeah........ |
| 01:57.52 | Brainshack | that would just be |
| 01:57.56 | Brainshack | ineeficient? |
| 01:58.02 | Brainshack | hows it spelled |
| 01:58.05 | Ashamed | well look at them |
| 01:58.06 | Brainshack | dunno xD |
| 01:58.07 | Ashamed | they are gay together |
| 01:58.09 | Ashamed | of course |
| 01:58.16 | Deaod | inefficient |
| 01:58.29 | Mexa | Would you prefer spread out streams during the day, only to be caught by less people? |
| 01:58.30 | HeelGrabber | pretty sure they casted it live for them and are just showing us that vod |
| 01:58.34 | Brainshack | almost got it right |
| 01:58.44 | Mexa | HeelGrabber, this is the live cast |
| 01:58.46 | Mexa | *stream |
| 01:58.53 | Brainshack | then it wouldnt be live |
| 01:58.58 | Brainshack | well guess we'll never know? |
| 01:59.00 | HeelGrabber | i know its being streamed live to us, but they are streaming a video |
| 01:59.09 | Mexa | fuu, I am saying that the stream is live |
| 01:59.13 | Ashamed | thats like saying youtube is live |
| 01:59.15 | Ashamed | when it streams |
| 01:59.18 | Ashamed | just because we can see it |
| 01:59.20 | Mexa | No |
| 01:59.23 | Brainshack | Ashamed see thats what i mean |
| 01:59.33 | Brainshack | i mean |
| 01:59.36 | Mexa | Not at all what I mean |
| 01:59.37 | Brainshack | those guys playin |
| 01:59.39 | Brainshack | are pro right? |
| 01:59.40 | Ashamed | they would have to be talking currentlyu about this game |
| 01:59.42 | Ashamed | for it to be live |
| 01:59.44 | Mexa | You are watching a livestream, not a youtube stream |
| 01:59.57 | Mexa | youtube have a date uploaded in which you then stream from at any given time |
| 01:59.59 | Brainshack | so it wouldnt be to much of a surprise for me if they really stand up at 4am to play ^^ |
| 02:00.06 | Ashamed | but that doesn't make it live then -.- |
| 02:00.10 | Mexa | This is a live stream, eg they are showing it the first time |
| 02:00.11 | Mexa | LIVE |
| 02:00.17 | Brainshack | so |
| 02:00.40 | HeelGrabber | just to be clear, when they replay it for the euros in the morning tmrow, is that live mexa? |
| 02:00.42 | Ashamed | yeah i dont concider that live still |
| 02:00.44 | Brainshack | when the world preview of a movie is shown, its live? i mean since they recorded it and are now showing it to the public... |
| 02:00.45 | Brainshack | xD |
| 02:01.01 | Ashamed | yeah i am with brain on this one |
| 02:01.16 | Brainshack | for me live means, its happing right now |
| 02:01.17 | Ashamed | live only is truly live when you can fuck something up |
| 02:01.18 | Mexa | It's a livestream |
| 02:01.22 | Mexa | But a replay |
| 02:01.30 | Ashamed | makign a live stream of a replay makes it pansy |
| 02:01.33 | Ashamed | and i dont concider it live |
| 02:01.55 | Mexa | Well I was meaning since they "turn on the stream" it goes live |
| 02:01.55 | Ashamed | but its time for me to go home finally |
| 02:01.59 | HeelGrabber | yeah |
| 02:02.07 | Mexa | Not that it in specifially happend to be live |
| 02:02.09 | Ashamed | so yall have a fantastic night |
| 02:02.11 | Mexa | irt. |
| 02:02.14 | Ashamed | and a great weekend if i dont see you |
| 02:02.16 | Brainshack | Ashamed, that Ashamed-home guy allready is for you |
| 02:02.19 | Mexa | Seeya Ashamed |
| 02:02.22 | Ashamed | -.- |
| 02:02.25 | Ashamed | woot |
| 02:02.26 | Ashamed | wait |
| 02:02.26 | Ashamed | WAIT |
| 02:02.30 | HeelGrabber | mexa, want to tell me if there is something missing here? |
| 02:02.46 | HeelGrabber | http://imageshack.us/f/845/helpf.jpg/ |
| 02:03.03 | HeelGrabber | i actually feel like an idiot |
| 02:03.04 | Mexa | I don't know, just forget it, it was probably misunderstandings from everyone anyway. |
| 02:03.05 | Ashamed-home | i am home!@ |
| 02:03.10 | Ashamed-home | woot already :) |
| 02:03.12 | Jum-Jum | HeelGrabber: Move the top 2 triggers to bot |
| 02:03.16 | Ashamed | just joking just remote connection |
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| 02:03.18 | Brainshack | niiiiiiiiiiiice Ashamed-home |
| 02:03.20 | Ashamed | but for realz i am going home |
| 02:03.25 | HeelGrabber | oh it loads them in order? |
| 02:03.28 | Mexa | And then you will vanish+ |
| 02:03.34 | Mexa | forever |
| 02:03.36 | Jum-Jum | I think so, atleast that's what I do |
| 02:03.42 | Ashamed | good night yall |
| 02:03.47 | Ashamed-home | good night :) |
| 02:03.49 | Mexa | seeya |
| 02:03.50 | HeelGrabber | night |
| 02:03.57 | Jum-Jum | They treat everyone in team 1 and 2 allies and shared vision, but AFTER the trigger does it the players are added |
| 02:03.58 | Brainshack | good morniing Ashamed |
| 02:04.51 | HeelGrabber | thanks for the help |
| 02:05.22 | Mexa | To make everything clear |
| 02:05.24 | Mexa | "Games will not be cast from replays. The games will be cast as they are being played. After the cast, the videos will be sent for editing and will be broadcast in the evening." |
| 02:05.35 | Mexa | I guess I will say broadcasted from now on. |
| 02:05.44 | Mexa | not livestreamed.. durr |
| 02:06.19 | Mexa | So, they are probably not sitting there now even. |
| 02:07.03 | HeelGrabber | oh yeah for sure |
| 02:07.19 | HeelGrabber | ive seen incontrol on another stream while nasl was being casted lol |
| 02:07.31 | HeelGrabber | played i mean |
| 02:07.38 | Mexa | Well, now it's clear, for everyone including myself .-. |
| 02:07.39 | HeelGrabber | not casted. have to be careful with words |
| 02:07.45 | Mexa | yeah |
| 02:07.45 | Mexa | lol |
| 02:13.42 | Brainshack | nice sound xD |
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| 02:14.51 | Mexa | Deaod, btw, colors can't be null either |
| 02:15.05 | Deaod | oh for fucks sake |
| 02:15.09 | Mexa | :p |
| 02:15.12 | Deaod | is there any part of galaxy thats consistent |
| 02:15.24 | Jum-Jum | lol |
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| 02:15.39 | Mexa | According to the editor syntax checker, assigning null to a color is implicit cast |
| 02:15.44 | Mexa | So it derps |
| 02:16.11 | HeelGrabber | i just got into map making like the other day and i cant imagine what you guys have gone through |
| 02:16.27 | HeelGrabber | maybe im just below avg though |
| 02:18.24 | schn | soup gais |
| 02:18.30 | HeelGrabber | huiii |
| 02:18.54 | Jum-Jum | I've been here since editor got out, and I'm still shit. :D |
| 02:19.16 | Jum-Jum | I don't make anything that serious tho, I just mapmake for fun most of it. Never really create anything that I release. |
| 02:19.27 | Jum-Jum | Because I know I don't have the motivation or talent to do it |
| 02:19.34 | Jum-Jum | I'll just stick to gaming ^^ |
| 02:19.35 | HeelGrabber | is setting up the ability to have the player in the lobby pick which guy i want him to control before the game starts as painful as i think it is |
| 02:20.03 | schn | idk, those special forces maps do it |
| 02:20.09 | schn | and they dont have horribly high production values |
| 02:20.30 | schn | hey is the easiest way to do a communist bounty system in triggers? |
| 02:20.33 | Jum-Jum | Dunno, most people make a UI with a description on each 'hero' |
| 02:21.06 | HeelGrabber | yeah, im trying to get you to choose in lobby and it seems to be forcing player 1 as player 1 |
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| 02:23.02 | Mexa | Hmm Deaod |
| 02:23.40 | Mexa | I had a global string s = null, it compiles fine |
| 02:24.00 | Mexa | But when I declare a struct too, it generates an error. |
| 02:24.07 | Mexa | ?_? |
| 02:24.16 | Deaod | what? |
| 02:24.40 | Deaod | declaring a struct changes how unrelated code compiles? |
| 02:24.49 | Mexa | apparantly |
| 02:24.55 | Kueken | ? |
| 02:24.58 | Kueken | map plz |
| 02:25.03 | Kueken | or pastebin |
| 02:25.07 | Mexa | yes |
| 02:25.34 | Deaod | did you make sure you didnt miss a closing brace? |
| 02:25.44 | Mexa | It's right there |
| 02:25.48 | Mexa | Also |
| 02:25.55 | Kueken | are we talking about plain galaxy? |
| 02:25.58 | Mexa | Setting the string to "" after that error |
| 02:26.00 | Mexa | Works |
| 02:26.00 | Kueken | or some extention |
| 02:26.05 | Mexa | No, plain galaxy |
| 02:26.26 | Kueken | you managed to get my full attention now :) |
| 02:26.28 | Mexa | Will pastebin |
| 02:27.34 | schn | pastabin |
| 02:28.17 | Mexa | LOL |
| 02:28.19 | Mexa | Okay |
| 02:28.23 | Mexa | Now thats some funny stuff |
| 02:28.25 | Mexa | Sec |
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| 02:28.51 | pirate | HotS VIDEO?! |
| 02:28.56 | pirate | who has? |
| 02:29.17 | schn | i have a hot video |
| 02:29.22 | schn | it was in the sun 4 a while |
| 02:29.23 | pirate | no |
| 02:29.34 | schn | who cares about ots |
| 02:29.41 | Brainshack | its been removed from youtube |
| 02:29.42 | schn | life is too short to spend time ACNTICIPATING games |
| 02:29.49 | pirate | hmmm, purple theme? |
| 02:29.50 | Jum-Jum | a what video? |
| 02:30.02 | Brainshack | heart of the swarm trailer |
| 02:30.11 | pirate | nvm, found on other sites |
| 02:30.13 | Jum-Jum | oh |
| 02:30.17 | Jum-Jum | leaked huh? |
| 02:30.21 | Brainshack | y |
| 02:30.26 | Brainshack | but its just a short one |
| 02:30.27 | Jum-Jum | when is it suppose to be released? |
| 02:30.49 | Jum-Jum | pirate: link |
| 02:30.56 | Jum-Jum | oh its allover youtube :D |
| 02:31.33 | pirate | why are there confederate spectres indeed? |
| 02:31.42 | Mexa | GALAXY IS SCREWING ME OVER |
| 02:31.45 | Mexa | Wait abit more |
| 02:31.46 | Kueken | happens |
| 02:31.47 | Mexa | -.- |
| 02:32.08 | Kueken | pirate: weren't all spectres supposed to be confederate? |
| 02:32.24 | Kueken | maybe some didn't break out |
| 02:32.25 | pirate | er, not confederate |
| 02:32.27 | pirate | dominion |
| 02:32.30 | Kueken | ya |
| 02:32.33 | Kueken | same thing ;) |
| 02:32.44 | Mexa | Okay that dumb shit complained about the string before... But isn't now? |
| 02:32.48 | Mexa | :| |
| 02:32.49 | pirate | yeah but I thought the dominion abandoned the spectre project cuz they were too dangerous? |
| 02:33.02 | Mexa | Their syntax checker can go to hell. |
| 02:33.30 | Kueken | their error messages suck, but the syntax checker works flawlessly usually |
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| 02:34.04 | pirate | the whole Nova story in WoL was like, "Help Nova (dominion) kill the Spectres (outlaws)" |
| 02:34.28 | Kueken | maybe kill the outlaw spectres |
| 02:34.35 | Deaod | except when what the syntax checker reports as invalid doesnt make any sense at all |
| 02:34.37 | Kueken | which not necessarily included all spectres |
| 02:34.46 | Mexa | Okay that shit is throwing random errors at me now |
| 02:34.58 | Mexa | sound = null gives implicit cast, and that's a lie |
| 02:35.01 | Kueken | ya, but now it works correctly |
| 02:35.03 | pirate | right but it suggested that the dominion and the spectre faction were enemies |
| 02:35.05 | pirate | so to speak |
| 02:35.10 | Kueken | so I assume human error :D |
| 02:35.22 | JademusSreg | So where's this HotS trailer? |
| 02:35.27 | Mexa | All in all, I have a huge list of variables declared |
| 02:35.42 | Mexa | And then, when I put in a struct in between them, it throws these false errors at me |
| 02:36.01 | pirate | www.thegx.co/news/1310/leaked-starcraft-ii-heart-of-the-swarm-trailer/ |
| 02:36.07 | *** mode/#sc2mapster [+v progammer] by ChanServ |
| 02:36.18 | Kueken | structs need a semicolon after the closing bracket, you got that? |
| 02:36.23 | Deaod | you have to put a semicolon after a struct declaration |
| 02:36.32 | pirate | spectres with ghost color scheme |
| 02:36.33 | pirate | IDGI |
| 02:36.53 | Deaod | which is one of the stupid things |
| 02:37.02 | Mexa | Kueken YES |
| 02:37.06 | Mexa | The problem is |
| 02:37.12 | Mexa | I can add a comment in it's place |
| 02:37.15 | Mexa | Then add a struct |
| 02:37.22 | Mexa | And it does not throw an error |
| 02:37.30 | Mexa | It's messing |
| 02:37.30 | Brainshack | Deaod: thats just programming standard, when declaring a class in c++ you need the closing semicolon too |
| 02:37.42 | Kueken | give me some pasted code |
| 02:37.44 | Deaod | its stupid to leave in |
| 02:37.48 | Kueken | one with error one without |
| 02:38.11 | Deaod | C++ has multiple ways to declare structs |
| 02:38.13 | Deaod | IIRC |
| 02:38.18 | Kueken | you know whats stupid? |
| 02:38.21 | Deaod | and galaxy only has one |
| 02:38.25 | Kueken | no native autocompletion |
| 02:39.04 | Kueken | calms down |
| 02:39.08 | Jum-Jum | When is E3? |
| 02:39.11 | Jum-Jum | It's soon isn't it? |
| 02:39.16 | Jum-Jum | I wanna see Aliens: Colonial Marines |
| 02:39.23 | Mexa | Kueken, http://pastebin.com/6KqxdARb |
| 02:39.36 | Mexa | remove the comment, and save with that struct |
| 02:39.40 | Mexa | It throws me an error |
| 02:39.52 | Mexa | eg, remove the // |
| 02:40.42 | JademusSreg | Where's the closing bracket? |
| 02:40.55 | JademusSreg | Also, you cannot initialize struct members. |
| 02:41.10 | JademusSreg | Oh wait, haha. |
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| 02:41.14 | JademusSreg | I misread. |
| 02:41.27 | Mexa | mhm:> |
| 02:41.31 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 02:41.37 | JademusSreg | Is S reserved? |
| 02:41.43 | JademusSreg | In the global namespace I mean. |
| 02:41.46 | Deaod | it shouldnt be |
| 02:42.00 | Mexa | It's a default melee map, it should not indeed |
| 02:42.08 | Mexa | *melee map dependencies |
| 02:42.33 | JademusSreg | I mean, does it pop an error with a different name? |
| 02:42.36 | Mexa | JademusSreg, the fact that it throw the error at me even using the script syntax checker window without having a map open |
| 02:42.39 | Mexa | Yes |
| 02:42.43 | Mexa | It complains about the sound |
| 02:42.54 | Mexa | Before, it complained about the string |
| 02:43.49 | Mexa | okay... how can it not accept S |
| 02:43.51 | Mexa | but Ss |
| 02:43.54 | Mexa | :| |
| 02:44.05 | JademusSreg | What do you mean? |
| 02:44.20 | Mexa | I renamed the god damn struct and it compiles |
| 02:44.24 | Mexa | For whatever reason |
| 02:44.26 | JademusSreg | I win forever. |
| 02:44.32 | Kueken | for me the code only complains about the sound |
| 02:44.33 | Mexa | Doesn't make sense |
| 02:44.38 | Mexa | Yes Kueken |
| 02:44.43 | Mexa | And if you remove the struct |
| 02:44.45 | Kueken | nothing else |
| 02:44.47 | Mexa | It will stop complaining |
| 02:44.47 | Dogmai|Sleep | good morning sunshineeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 02:45.12 | Kueken | oh |
| 02:45.14 | Mexa | Jademus, still pisses me off... I have been able to declare Struct S before |
| 02:45.17 | Kueken | now thats cool :D |
| 02:45.37 | JademusSreg | Probably just some little bug. |
| 02:46.02 | Mexa | S is reserved, so it seems |
| 02:46.05 | Deaod | whats the error message |
| 02:46.06 | Kueken | seems |
| 02:46.11 | JademusSreg | But using single character names in the global name space just seems like a bad idea, regardless. |
| 02:46.16 | Mexa | Deaod, implicit cast not allowed |
| 02:46.18 | Kueken | "implicit cast not allowed" |
| 02:46.25 | Kueken | for the sound only |
| 02:46.32 | Kueken | struct is not mentioned |
| 02:46.44 | Mexa | I realised |
| 02:46.45 | Kueken | commenting out struct removes the error |
| 02:46.49 | Kueken | and so does renaming it |
| 02:46.57 | Kueken | funny |
| 02:47.01 | Mexa | It's enough to write Struct S and it will rage |
| 02:47.20 | Kueken | so S is reserved for a sound somehow |
| 02:47.24 | Deaod | struct S { sound f; }; |
| 02:47.28 | Deaod | throws an error |
| 02:47.30 | Mexa | Yes |
| 02:47.38 | Mexa | S is not a valid name |
| 02:47.40 | Mexa | try Ss |
| 02:47.46 | Mexa | or whatever |
| 02:47.50 | Mexa | -.- |
| 02:48.00 | Kueken | xD |
| 02:48.06 | Kueken | struct cannot be nested |
| 02:48.14 | Kueken | gr8 |
| 02:48.21 | Mexa | NOWAI |
| 02:48.31 | Mexa | struct S {fixed foo;}; works |
| 02:48.33 | JademusSreg | Can't be nested, but at least structs can have structs, so you can struct your structs while you struct. |
| 02:48.39 | Mexa | S can't be reserved |
| 02:48.51 | Deaod | it is |
| 02:49.00 | Deaod | you just dont notice it |
| 02:49.12 | Mexa | But it is compiled without the things I had there |
| 02:49.15 | Deaod | i assume this is a result of how the VM works |
| 02:49.30 | Mexa | Or well, script test isn't whining on it alone |
| 02:49.50 | Triceron | Can anyone name me a unit that uses alpha as transparency |
| 02:50.02 | JademusSreg | I concur with Deaod. I'm guessing it's not a coincidence that the "random" errors popped for things beginning with S,. |
| 02:50.06 | JademusSreg | *s. |
| 02:50.14 | Kueken | try the following: |
| 02:50.17 | JademusSreg | Tri, yes. |
| 02:50.19 | Mexa | struct S |
| 02:50.19 | Mexa | { |
| 02:50.19 | Mexa | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:50.19 | Mexa | }; |
| 02:50.20 | Kueken | struct S{sound f;}; |
| 02:50.21 | Mexa | compiles |
| 02:50.25 | JademusSreg | Geometric shape units. |
| 02:50.29 | Mexa | on an empty map |
| 02:50.30 | Kueken | and |
| 02:50.34 | Kueken | struct s{sound f;}; |
| 02:50.35 | Mexa | So yeah, it screws me over. |
| 02:50.40 | JademusSreg | Or is that just for emissive? |
| 02:50.48 | Kueken | both cause errors |
| 02:50.51 | JademusSreg | Anyway, model that uses it, light walls, light bridge. |
| 02:50.58 | Kueken | but S causes no nesting allowed |
| 02:50.58 | JademusSreg | That's certain. |
| 02:51.06 | Mexa | what nesting? |
| 02:51.08 | Kueken | and s causes only basic types can be passed |
| 02:51.13 | Kueken | struct S{sound f;}; |
| 02:51.17 | Kueken | in an empty map |
| 02:51.26 | Kueken | causes error, no nexting allowed |
| 02:51.32 | Kueken | struct s{sound f;}; |
| 02:51.37 | Kueken | causes error as well |
| 02:51.41 | Kueken | but another one |
| 02:52.10 | Mexa | :V |
| 02:52.16 | Kueken | struct foo{sound f;}; |
| 02:52.19 | Kueken | works fine |
| 02:52.24 | Kueken | :D |
| 02:52.29 | Mexa | struct cannot be nested within itself, huh-.- |
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| 02:53.25 | Mexa | WHY does it only happend with sound? |
| 02:53.38 | Triceron | I think that's for emissive |
| 02:54.01 | Triceron | I need something that has alpha as transparency, I forgot how to export em and I need a reference |
| 02:54.18 | JademusSreg | Check the light bridge or light barrier from the campaign. |
| 02:54.25 | Mexa | Jademus, Deaod, how can it be reserved, it seems to only affect sound |
| 02:54.31 | JademusSreg | Or check Mengsk Holoboard |
| 02:54.54 | Deaod | struct s { sound f; }; |
| 02:54.56 | JademusSreg | Mexa, just don't use single character names in the global namespace? |
| 02:55.01 | Deaod | that destroys a lot more than S |
| 02:55.29 | Mexa | Jademus, zug, but I want to know why |
| 02:55.40 | JademusSreg | Not just because of this bug, but because it's bad practice? =D |
| 02:55.47 | Mexa | struct S |
| 02:55.47 | Mexa | { |
| 02:55.47 | Mexa | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:55.47 | Mexa | }; |
| 02:55.48 | Mexa | works |
| 02:55.56 | Mexa | Why does that work, but sound doesn't? |
| 02:56.10 | JademusSreg | Does string work? |
| 02:56.12 | Triceron | k thx, gonna check em out |
| 02:56.13 | Mexa | Yes |
| 02:56.25 | Mexa | So far, everything but sound. |
| 02:56.34 | JademusSreg | Oh well. |
| 02:56.50 | Kueken | very cool imo |
| 02:57.01 | Mexa | no, it's crap <.< |
| 02:57.05 | Kueken | someone should probably post this in the forums |
| 02:57.16 | Kueken | nah, I like random blizzard fails |
| 02:57.18 | JademusSreg | Deaod should do it. He's always reporting bugs. |
| 02:57.28 | Kueken | they kinda spice up the mapping experience |
| 02:57.34 | Deaod | mind if i go "lol" |
| 02:57.35 | Deaod | ? |
| 02:57.39 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 02:57.52 | Kueken | I would throw in a little "rofl" as well |
| 02:59.05 | Mexa | struct S |
| 02:59.05 | Mexa | { |
| 02:59.05 | Mexa | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:59.05 | Mexa | }; |
| 02:59.05 | Mexa | sound fuu = null; |
| 02:59.05 | Mexa | gives implicit cast allowed |
| 02:59.21 | Mexa | And that is solely because there is a damn struct named s |
| 02:59.31 | Kueken | s and S |
| 02:59.34 | Kueken | try s |
| 02:59.35 | Mexa | yes |
| 02:59.41 | Deaod | s breaks more than S |
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| 02:59.45 | Kueken | and see if the error changes ^^ |
| 02:59.50 | Mexa | okay s seems to work |
| 02:59.53 | Mexa | now... |
| 02:59.54 | Deaod | for example |
| 03:00.02 | Deaod | UnitCreate() wont work anymore |
| 03:00.23 | Mexa | s works now |
| 03:00.24 | Mexa | -.- |
| 03:00.26 | Kueken | I always call my strings s... |
| 03:00.33 | Kueken | I wonder if this has any influence |
| 03:00.38 | Deaod | its just structs. |
| 03:00.45 | Kueken | I certainly hope so |
| 03:00.51 | Mexa | Looks like it... |
| 03:00.59 | Mexa | piece of garbage |
| 03:01.31 | Deaod | this is fucking great |
| 03:01.40 | Deaod | struct s { sound f; }; |
| 03:01.58 | Deaod | that allows you to only pass basic types as parameters |
| 03:02.05 | Deaod | sooooo great |
| 03:02.09 | Mexa | lol |
| 03:02.11 | Mexa | wut |
| 03:02.12 | Kueken | ! |
| 03:02.13 | Mexa | .-------- |
| 03:02.40 | Mexa | It also gives implicit cast disallowed under the circumstances.. |
| 03:02.47 | Deaod | yep |
| 03:02.55 | JademusSreg | Indicates a relationship between complex types and structs, internally. |
| 03:03.06 | Deaod | yeah |
| 03:03.14 | Kueken | hm... |
| 03:03.25 | Mexa | And I always thought structs as value types |
| 03:03.29 | Mexa | I guess not |
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| 03:03.52 | Mexa | or actually |
| 03:03.53 | Kueken | structs could not be used as parameters, right? |
| 03:03.59 | schn | whats the easiest way to make a shared kill bounty |
| 03:04.05 | JademusSreg | structs with single members can, iirc. |
| 03:04.05 | Kueken | but complex types can |
| 03:04.13 | Mexa | no, wait, yeah, it will complain about bulk copy not supported |
| 03:04.22 | Kueken | heh |
| 03:04.26 | Mexa | So it tries to copy the struct don't it? |
| 03:04.31 | Mexa | eg value type? |
| 03:04.32 | Kueken | if structs = complex types internally |
| 03:05.00 | Kueken | maybe we can "cast" a struct in a complex type :D |
| 03:05.02 | Deaod | cant be because complex types are passed by reference |
| 03:05.18 | Kueken | and we just made ourselves fine little pointers |
| 03:05.32 | Kueken | :P |
| 03:05.38 | Kueken | just dreaming a little here |
| 03:05.43 | JademusSreg | Let's not get ahead of ourselves, Kueken. =) |
| 03:05.52 | schn | to sleep perchance to dream |
| 03:06.00 | JademusSreg | There's nothing to yet demonstrates we can leverage the bug in such a way. |
| 03:06.11 | Kueken | ya, I have no idea about the internals of coding anyway |
| 03:06.26 | schn | internals of coding: |
| 03:06.30 | schn | 101010010110101010010110010100100000010101 |
| 03:07.09 | Kueken | but hey |
| 03:07.24 | Kueken | return bug for wc3 started probably the same way |
| 03:07.52 | JademusSreg | Return bug was even used by Blizzard's script somewhere. |
| 03:07.58 | Deaod | that bug is a bit more straightforward |
| 03:08.05 | Deaod | plus theres that |
| 03:09.30 | JademusSreg | I wonder what will be included in HotS to motivate modders to get it, if anything. |
| 03:09.54 | Brainshack | tons of models? |
| 03:09.57 | progammer | JademusSreg: new assets ? that we dont need to upload like 20MB to use ? |
| 03:09.58 | Mexa | Another thing |
| 03:10.00 | Deaod | not good enough |
| 03:10.01 | Kueken | I did not want to imply, that this is anything like the return bug, just that the return bug was probably found a similar way. Some ppl encountered strange bugs, some other ppl saw the mechanics behind it and noticed that it eventually could be useful |
| 03:10.07 | Mexa | strings seem to behave like primitives |
| 03:10.15 | Mexa | But it can be stored in a handle |
| 03:10.16 | JademusSreg | New assets sounds good. |
| 03:10.36 | Kueken | a zerg hero background! |
| 03:10.43 | JademusSreg | But unless it's a copious fuckton, it's not good enough; modders will just extract and distribute. |
| 03:11.28 | Kueken | I hope the campaign is entertaining |
| 03:11.31 | Mexa | And apparantly, color is not a handle. |
| 03:11.48 | Kueken | color is probably a string, or an integer |
| 03:11.54 | JademusSreg | Kueken, I'm sure you can fix that easily. I'm guessing the frame references a file that doesn't exist; add a file at the correct path, bingo. |
| 03:11.59 | Mexa | only? |
| 03:12.06 | Triceron | well if HOTS adds more assets, it'll be in its own dependancy thing |
| 03:12.07 | Mexa | It contains RGBA values |
| 03:12.19 | Mexa | or fixed percentage color RGBA |
| 03:12.24 | Mexa | or smth. |
| 03:12.24 | Kueken | there is no matching asset for the background |
| 03:12.32 | Kueken | you can import one, I did it |
| 03:12.39 | Triceron | so isn't it just gonna be worse for loading times if you want to use X model from the campaign, X model form HOTS |
| 03:12.43 | Kueken | but the fact that you have to will be fixed ;) |
| 03:12.44 | JademusSreg | I'm sure the campaign will be entertaining, no doubt there. The WoL campaign was entertaining, if not really easy. |
| 03:13.12 | Kueken | too many missions which forced the newly introduced unit type imo :( |
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| 03:13.23 | Mexa | doodad is not a handle either. |
| 03:13.31 | Kueken | and only like 5 useful unit types |
| 03:13.48 | Triceron | btw I hear there's hero models for the medic and vulture? |
| 03:13.52 | Triceron | 'merc' models |
| 03:13.57 | Kueken | L2D dependencies |
| 03:13.57 | JademusSreg | Kueken, I didn't think poorly of that, because it worked well into the map usually, and more importantly, each map had a good gameplay gimmick. |
| 03:14.02 | Triceron | where do I find that? |
| 03:14.08 | JademusSreg | A hook to keep it interesting. |
| 03:14.12 | Kueken | yes |
| 03:14.24 | Triceron | I played L2D before, so I should have the dependancy right? I dunno where it's located tho |
| 03:14.25 | Kueken | blizzards mission design is very good in all their games |
| 03:14.48 | JademusSreg | Better than C&C games, by far. =D |
| 03:15.05 | Kueken | but well, I dislike for example that you basically can only use BCs in the mission with the void generators |
| 03:15.09 | Kueken | stuff like that |
| 03:15.33 | Kueken | also, some units are completely useless |
| 03:15.39 | Kueken | wraith for example |
| 03:15.56 | Kueken | could be balanced a little better |
| 03:16.03 | Kueken | siege tanks totally op |
| 03:16.04 | JademusSreg | Kueken, I used BC & SV. Invincible regenerating WMD. |
| 03:16.11 | Kueken | ye |
| 03:16.21 | Kueken | also sv>>> raven |
| 03:16.33 | Kueken | and the slow thing >>> the mind control thing |
| 03:16.37 | JademusSreg | Pretty much. |
| 03:16.46 | JademusSreg | Mind Control sucked because it didn't have autocast. |
| 03:16.52 | Kueken | and siege tank >>> just about any other unit |
| 03:17.18 | Kueken | and stuff like the diamondback pretty much sucked every mission except the one it got introduced |
| 03:17.27 | Kueken | and wraith even sucked in that one ^^ |
| 03:17.28 | JademusSreg | I actually used Goliath a lot. |
| 03:17.34 | Kueken | goliath is nice |
| 03:17.40 | Triceron | I used goliaths in one mission |
| 03:17.47 | Kueken | range + dual weapons makes him quite powerful |
| 03:17.59 | JademusSreg | And a ball of Diamondbacks is goddamn evil. |
| 03:17.59 | Triceron | marines are too OP in the campaign tho |
| 03:18.09 | JademusSreg | A huge ball can just roll through an area. |
| 03:18.11 | Triceron | well, in the game in general |
| 03:18.29 | JademusSreg | Get 2 dozen diamondbacks and move, not a move, just move. |
| 03:18.38 | JademusSreg | "a move" |
| 03:18.50 | Kueken | I find wraiths, firebats, reapers pretty useless |
| 03:18.56 | JademusSreg | Yup. |
| 03:19.06 | Kueken | firebats are good in the beginning, if you dont have anything else |
| 03:19.10 | JademusSreg | I only used Reapers willingly in the Meinhoff mission. |
| 03:19.12 | Kueken | but marines are better anyway |
| 03:19.45 | JademusSreg | Reapers + Hellions, and I was out during the night on Brutal, burning down infested structures, easy. |
| 03:19.46 | Kueken | in the defend at night kill infested buildings at day |
| 03:19.59 | Kueken | I build only reapers |
| 03:20.04 | Kueken | not a single hellion |
| 03:20.17 | Kueken | you can make it on brutal and have like 2 nights left |
| 03:20.19 | Mexa | Okay, so the following is not classified as a handle: color, doodad, revealer, sound, trigger, unit, wave |
| 03:20.25 | Kueken | to get achievement |
| 03:20.37 | JademusSreg | Comical that Aberrations are Light and have 400 life. |
| 03:20.37 | Mexa | Is there a pattern why? |
| 03:20.42 | Kueken | but thats about the only mission you can use reapers |
| 03:20.52 | JademusSreg | And all the infested structures are Light too. =\ |
| 03:21.03 | Kueken | mexa: doodad is no handle, but actor is? |
| 03:21.08 | Mexa | yes |
| 03:21.18 | Kueken | I thought doodad = actor |
| 03:21.22 | Kueken | ;) |
| 03:21.29 | Mexa | seems like it's not |
| 03:21.35 | Kueken | seems so |
| 03:21.45 | Mexa | but it isn't |
| 03:22.07 | Mexa | there's also a native actor ActorFromDoodad (doodad d) so yeah |
| 03:22.09 | Mexa | it isn't |
| 03:22.25 | Mexa | Then again, doodads aren't used in galaxy script whatsoever |
| 03:22.31 | Mexa | So that's useless |
| 03:22.46 | Mexa | They're only used in that function, and in DoodadFromId |
| 03:23.01 | Kueken | great |
| 03:23.10 | schn | whats the easiest way to make a shared bounty |
| 03:23.11 | Kueken | so you can pick a doodad and destroy its actor |
| 03:23.40 | Mexa | yes, but the doodad will never be destroyed by script |
| 03:23.50 | Mexa | Potentially a memory leak |
| 03:24.05 | Kueken | it will keep the pathing most likely |
| 03:24.09 | Mexa | unless the doodad gets destroyed if it's actor is destroyed |
| 03:24.17 | Mexa | *its |
| 03:24.18 | Kueken | dont think so |
| 03:24.40 | Mexa | durp |
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| 03:24.51 | Kueken | can you modify painted pathing on the fly? |
| 03:25.10 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 03:25.11 | Mexa | There's a pathing modify native |
| 03:25.33 | Kueken | in this case you can just deactivate the doodad footprint in editor |
| 03:25.33 | Mexa | Deaod, can we draw any conclusion to that handle thingy btw? |
| 03:25.38 | Kueken | paint the pathing |
| 03:25.41 | Mexa | Or did I just waste my time .-. |
| 03:25.45 | Kueken | kill the actor |
| 03:25.52 | Kueken | and remove the pathing |
| 03:25.55 | Triceron | transparencies are driving me nuuutttsss! |
| 03:25.58 | Kueken | to destroy a doodad ingame |
| 03:26.29 | Mexa | the doodad object is still there, isn't it? |
| 03:26.46 | Kueken | memory leak wise? |
| 03:26.51 | Mexa | yeah |
| 03:27.03 | Kueken | technically yes, but gameplay wise its gone |
| 03:27.07 | Kueken | in theory |
| 03:27.39 | Mexa | hums |
| 03:27.41 | Kueken | and memory usage should be insignificant; performance issues by doodads are caused by the visuals usually |
| 03:27.55 | Kueken | which are completely destroyed |
| 03:28.23 | Mexa | Sure, I was just sayin' :p |
| 03:28.32 | Kueken | :) |
| 03:29.00 | Kueken | you can probably hide doodads for low graphics settings on map start via trigger |
| 03:29.07 | Kueken | or something |
| 03:29.14 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 03:29.38 | Kueken | didn,t some map do this already? |
| 03:29.46 | Kueken | I think I read this somewhere... |
| 03:29.58 | Kueken | Core Fight, I think |
| 03:30.04 | Mexa | D: |
| 03:30.09 | Mexa | If you debug a handle |
| 03:30.19 | Mexa | It will show it's value in hexadecimal |
| 03:30.23 | Mexa | eg the address ? |
| 03:30.28 | JademusSreg | NEATO |
| 03:30.33 | Kueken | return bug 2.0? |
| 03:30.40 | Mexa | I don't know |
| 03:30.42 | JademusSreg | Are you sure this is the case? |
| 03:30.46 | Mexa | no |
| 03:30.49 | Mexa | Let me check more |
| 03:30.50 | Mexa | :) |
| 03:31.02 | Mexa | Since currently, everything it is assigned is null |
| 03:31.03 | Kueken | and we have probably no way to retreive the object from the adress |
| 03:31.05 | Mexa | thus 0x0000000 |
| 03:31.18 | Kueken | it it actually is an adress |
| 03:31.29 | Kueken | *if |
| 03:32.27 | Mexa | Wanna know something else? |
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| 03:32.34 | Mexa | type to handle and back again works |
| 03:33.11 | Kueken | clarify |
| 03:33.16 | JademusSreg | Burden of proof. Something this neat needs to be demonstrated. |
| 03:33.16 | Mexa | handle h_string = "durg"; |
| 03:33.16 | Mexa | handle h_text = StringToText(h_string); |
| 03:34.04 | Mexa | h_string got the value 0x000106BE |
| 03:34.08 | Kueken | is this type safe? |
| 03:34.14 | Mexa | h_string got the value 0x000106BD I mean |
| 03:34.17 | Kueken | or can you print a unit as text? |
| 03:34.20 | Mexa | and h_text the value h_string got the value 0x000106BE |
| 03:34.32 | Mexa | no |
| 03:34.37 | Mexa | It's type sensitive |
| 03:34.44 | Mexa | So implicit cast does not work |
| 03:35.01 | Kueken | ? |
| 03:35.05 | Kueken | but a unit is a handle |
| 03:35.09 | Mexa | eg string -> handle -> some other handle type just gives back null |
| 03:35.10 | Mexa | No |
| 03:35.13 | Kueken | no? |
| 03:35.16 | Mexa | A unit is not a handle |
| 03:35.20 | Kueken | k |
| 03:35.27 | Kueken | thought so |
| 03:35.43 | Mexa | but you can typecast some handle type -> handle -> back again |
| 03:36.15 | Mexa | Jademus, yeah it displays a value |
| 03:36.24 | Kueken | and you can print a handle type, which is not string as a string? |
| 03:36.25 | Mexa | I suspect it's memory offset in the VM |
| 03:36.33 | Mexa | or something |
| 03:36.47 | Mexa | No |
| 03:37.10 | Mexa | Kueken, it only works if the the casted handle is the same type |
| 03:37.27 | Kueken | hm |
| 03:37.43 | Mexa | eg text -> handle -> string just assigns null to the string |
| 03:38.23 | Triceron | Ah damnit, I was doing it wrong all this time! |
| 03:38.35 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 03:38.50 | Mexa | So, is this useful at all? |
| 03:38.56 | Kueken | no idea |
| 03:39.13 | Kueken | just because I cannot see a use for it does not mean its useless ;) |
| 03:39.22 | Mexa | mhm |
| 03:39.32 | Deaod | this is the only dynamic type casting i know in SC2 |
| 03:39.38 | Kueken | I hardly know, what I would need pointers for :D |
| 03:39.41 | Deaod | so its very interesting |
| 03:39.50 | Mexa | Aw Deaod, you knew about it before? |
| 03:39.56 | Deaod | nopw |
| 03:40.01 | Deaod | nope* |
| 03:40.06 | Mexa | ok :D |
| 03:40.09 | JademusSreg | Since it enforces type safety, I don't see much use. |
| 03:40.20 | JademusSreg | Would have been neat to finally get text to string. |
| 03:40.27 | Mexa | Jademus, what about the "NEATO"? |
| 03:40.35 | JademusSreg | It is neat. |
| 03:40.43 | Kueken | blizzard did really care about that one after the return bug disaster, it seems |
| 03:40.43 | Triceron | Awrrrghhhhh! I finally got transparencies working |
| 03:40.43 | JademusSreg | Just doesn't seem useful. |
| 03:40.50 | Triceron | only wasted 2 hours of my life -_- |
| 03:40.55 | JademusSreg | Congrats Tri. |
| 03:40.57 | Mexa | is looking at the addresses of handles, hmm :< |
| 03:41.07 | Triceron | *writes it down* |
| 03:41.12 | Kueken | "time you enjoyed wasting, isn't wasted time" |
| 03:41.23 | Mexa | I suppose not |
| 03:41.29 | JademusSreg | Could be useful if you were a hacker and wanted to know where to look? =\ |
| 03:41.32 | Kueken | (free translation xD) |
| 03:41.33 | Triceron | it is when you've done it before and forgot where you put your notes -_- |
| 03:41.50 | Mexa | Jademus, well, no one uses handles, so they wouln't see any address |
| 03:42.11 | Kueken | if units are no handles |
| 03:42.16 | Kueken | what are handles anyway? |
| 03:42.21 | Kueken | strings, text, ..? |
| 03:42.37 | Mexa | My first idea was garbage collected things |
| 03:42.42 | Mexa | But color is not a handle |
| 03:43.05 | JademusSreg | Is color garbage collected |
| 03:43.06 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 03:43.12 | Deaod | yes |
| 03:43.23 | Triceron | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/Triceron/Skeleton_03.jpg woot! (Skirt thing uses transparencies) |
| 03:43.55 | Mexa | color, doodad, revealer, sound, trigger, unit, wave, those are not handles according to the syntax checker, as it says implicit cast not allowed |
| 03:44.10 | Mexa | So what are handles in sc2 indeed :v |
| 03:45.06 | JademusSreg | Tri, you;re doing some fantasy models for SC2? |
| 03:45.16 | Mexa | if it weren't for color, it would have matched |
| 03:45.21 | Mexa | Since neither of these are gced |
| 03:45.53 | Mexa | *neither of the others |
| 03:45.59 | Kueken | maybe color is an int internally |
| 03:46.11 | Kueken | so its not gced because it doesnt need to |
| 03:46.13 | Mexa | it contains rgba values |
| 03:46.23 | Mexa | either in int or fixed form |
| 03:46.32 | Mexa | How can it be solely an int? |
| 03:46.49 | Deaod | remember Vex's ARGB? |
| 03:46.50 | Mexa | oh, though |
| 03:47.01 | Mexa | Hmm, I forgot how it works |
| 03:47.03 | Kueken | one integer can exactly hold the 8 characters of a hexadecimal color |
| 03:47.11 | Mexa | but yeah |
| 03:47.23 | Kueken | if you include alpha |
| 03:47.28 | Mexa | it has alpha |
| 03:47.39 | Mexa | then it makes sense I guess |
| 03:47.52 | Mexa | Is that how vex's ARGB work Deaod? |
| 03:48.05 | Deaod | yeah, it saves all 4 channels in a single int |
| 03:48.08 | Kueken | vex argb used a by-value struct |
| 03:48.16 | Triceron | JademusSreg: I'm remaking some Warcraft units |
| 03:48.25 | Mexa | okay, thats good |
| 03:48.29 | Kueken | so the instance was not 1 or 2 like the usual ones |
| 03:48.35 | Mexa | So, color is an int in disguise |
| 03:48.45 | Deaod | probably |
| 03:48.53 | Kueken | but if you entered a color, it was just translated into an integer |
| 03:48.55 | Mexa | And the rest of those types are not gced |
| 03:49.00 | Mexa | So it adds up :) |
| 03:49.01 | Deaod | try assigning 0 to color |
| 03:49.43 | Mexa | implicit cast not allowed |
| 03:49.46 | Mexa | humpf |
| 03:49.48 | Deaod | hmmm |
| 03:50.17 | Kueken | could still be an integer internally, but force an error |
| 03:50.22 | Kueken | who knows |
| 03:50.29 | Kueken | just a theory anyway |
| 03:50.58 | Kueken | any other gced stuff a handle? |
| 03:51.05 | Kueken | groups, timers |
| 03:51.08 | Kueken | etc? |
| 03:51.56 | Mexa | they're all handles |
| 03:52.13 | Mexa | oh |
| 03:52.18 | Mexa | hum |
| 03:52.20 | Kueken | btw |
| 03:52.22 | Mexa | nothing |
| 03:52.26 | Kueken | color cannot be null? |
| 03:52.36 | Mexa | no |
| 03:52.55 | Mexa | Yeah, handles == gced objects |
| 03:53.04 | Mexa | Seems to match |
| 03:53.26 | Mexa | as well as primitive types, structs and colors. |
| 03:56.48 | JademusSreg | Tri, sounds cool. |
| 03:57.10 | Triceron | I'm planning on a Warcraft 2 revamp |
| 03:57.24 | Mexa | aw... nasl ended without me noticing |
| 03:57.51 | Mexa | S: |
| 03:57.52 | Triceron | with graphics and designs from more recent sources |
| 03:58.03 | Mexa | *D: It's GSL in 1 hour approx |
| 03:58.12 | JademusSreg | YES. |
| 03:58.16 | Triceron | start of new season? |
| 03:58.37 | Mexa | yes |
| 03:58.43 | Triceron | sweeet |
| 03:58.43 | Mexa | Since a few weeks ago |
| 03:58.49 | Mexa | still in round of 64 I think |
| 03:58.55 | Triceron | oh |
| 03:59.02 | Triceron | I missed out last season |
| 03:59.09 | Triceron | but I heard the finals were a let down |
| 04:00.34 | Mexa | Oh actually |
| 04:00.41 | Mexa | the new season begun this week |
| 04:00.56 | Mexa | the ro64 anyway |
| 04:01.06 | Mexa | I watched the finals |
| 04:01.30 | Mexa | Inca screwed up |
| 04:01.38 | Mexa | And it ended quite quickly |
| 04:02.06 | Mexa | Hey¨ |
| 04:02.10 | Mexa | Huk is playing today |
| 04:02.11 | JademusSreg | Lately I've been going to sleep before GSL starts. |
| 04:02.12 | Mexa | And NesTea |
| 04:02.15 | JademusSreg | Oh man. |
| 04:02.30 | Mexa | Jademus, GSL also usually is like 5 hours later than today |
| 04:02.39 | Mexa | 4 hours |
| 04:02.47 | Mexa | So you're just in luck, this is the only day :3 |
| 04:03.29 | Mexa | Out of all days, saturday seem to be casted earlier than usual |
| 04:03.41 | Mexa | *saturday matches |
| 04:05.24 | Mexa | hrm.. the birds are twittering outside |
| 04:05.37 | Mexa | waitwhat, it was from sc2 |
| 04:05.38 | Mexa | <.< |
| 04:05.52 | Triceron | LOL |
| 04:06.04 | Mexa | that ambience .__. |
| 04:06.53 | Mexa | I did open the window now tho.. And I do see some bords |
| 04:06.56 | Mexa | *birds |
| 04:07.04 | Mexa | But they are silent |
| 04:07.35 | Mexa | And I should stop talking now and possibly try to stay awake for GSL |
| 04:09.20 | JademusSreg | Doesn't talking assist you in staying awake? |
| 04:09.52 | Mexa | It does |
| 04:10.18 | Mexa | But it has come to a phase where my errors and lack of grammar is getting out of hands |
| 04:10.34 | Mexa | And apparantly to know the difference between a game and reality |
| 04:10.36 | Mexa | ._. |
| 04:10.51 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 04:11.04 | Mexa | And the debugger is teasing me |
| 04:11.17 | Mexa | I want to typecast that handle to an int :x |
| 04:12.09 | Mexa | that I see that my point has the reference value of 0x000106C0 and that I can use that for nothing is killing me :| |
| 04:12.47 | JademusSreg | I implore you to do something more productive. =D |
| 04:13.14 | JademusSreg | Such as work on a map. |
| 04:13.23 | Mexa | But I am tired too, what productiveness will I get out? |
| 04:13.36 | Mexa | Maybe some food and coffee will give some energy |
| 04:14.05 | Mexa | But preferrably I should sleep instead of watch GSL |
| 04:14.27 | Mexa | I have an interpretator assignment with a friend tomorrow |
| 04:14.42 | Mexa | or well, we're suppose to work at it |
| 04:14.45 | Kueken | 6 am here :/ |
| 04:14.50 | Mexa | Indeed |
| 04:14.57 | Mexa | So *today* actually |
| 04:17.45 | Mexa | Hmm |
| 04:18.02 | Mexa | So strings are supposed to have a lookup table, yes? |
| 04:19.12 | Mexa | If that's the case, then why does my strings, both assigned "whatever" have two different reference adresses? |
| 04:19.24 | Mexa | Or did I simply misunderstand what the string table is useful for? |
| 04:20.30 | JademusSreg | Probably the latter. |
| 04:20.31 | Kueken | Yes! |
| 04:20.36 | Kueken | dunno why |
| 04:20.38 | Kueken | but yes |
| 04:20.46 | Mexa | hum |
| 04:21.13 | Mexa | yeah sure, the value might be store somewhere else ofcourse |
| 04:22.03 | Mexa | Or like, the strings still have separate memory allocations, but inside the memory it would point to a string in the lookup table |
| 04:22.07 | Mexa | Sounds more reasonable? |
| 04:22.22 | JademusSreg | Sounds about right. =D |
| 04:22.40 | Mexa | alrighty, good :> |
| 04:23.50 | Kueken | btw anyone knows how to add or remove text values in the text editor? |
| 04:24.05 | Mexa | Also, god damn virtual birds |
| 04:24.26 | Kueken | they make good virtual food |
| 04:24.46 | Mexa | They also brainfuck me this early in the morning :v |
| 04:24.54 | Kueken | nuke em |
| 04:25.04 | Mexa | pressing X did help |
| 04:25.14 | Kueken | try ctrl + s :D |
| 04:25.49 | Mexa | <3 |
| 04:26.03 | Mexa | Frogot about that completely |
| 04:26.25 | Kueken | the so-called bird nuke |
| 04:26.28 | JademusSreg | Kueken, right click. |
| 04:26.36 | JademusSreg | Remove Entry |
| 04:26.41 | JademusSreg | Or whatever it says. |
| 04:26.47 | Kueken | o_0 |
| 04:26.50 | JademusSreg | They added that functionality in one of the patches. |
| 04:26.54 | Kueken | did they recently add it? |
| 04:26.57 | Kueken | k |
| 04:26.59 | JademusSreg | Yeah. |
| 04:27.07 | Kueken | add entry too? |
| 04:27.24 | Kueken | or do I still have to create dummy buttons |
| 04:27.28 | JademusSreg | Dunno. I honestly don't pay much attention to it. |
| 04:27.38 | JademusSreg | I never use the Text Editor. |
| 04:27.41 | Mexa | Dull if it isn't an add button |
| 04:28.23 | Kueken | I like outsorcing the text, so I don't have to write a bunch of text in galaxy |
| 04:28.48 | Kueken | for help menu text or something |
| 04:28.52 | JademusSreg | I always do something like StringToText("bluh bluh huge bitch"); when I need text, and save it to a variable. |
| 04:29.02 | JademusSreg | But your idea is pretty good. =) |
| 04:29.16 | Kueken | saves code space as well |
| 04:29.55 | Kueken | but those dummy buttons needed are a nuisance :D |
| 04:29.58 | JademusSreg | I suppose. Might be worth trying sometime. |
| 04:31.13 | JademusSreg | This is what I enjoy. <3 |
| 04:31.28 | Kueken | dummy buttons? |
| 04:31.31 | JademusSreg | The cool people talking about the craft. |
| 04:31.34 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 04:31.37 | Kueken | :) |
| 04:32.58 | Kueken | Someday I need to rewrite my entire map code |
| 04:33.04 | Kueken | its such a giant mess... |
| 04:33.25 | JademusSreg | I get that feelings often. |
| 04:33.28 | *** join/#sc2mapster Brainshack (~Christian@dslb-178-001-192-044.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 04:33.50 | JademusSreg | But only do it if progress becomes impossible or if it has already been released. |
| 04:34.09 | Kueken | well, this code is still the same I started with in the beta |
| 04:34.12 | JademusSreg | Otherwise your project will suffer the fate of Duke Nukem Forever. |
| 04:34.27 | Kueken | so it has all the stages of my galaxy coding development united |
| 04:35.22 | Kueken | and some stuff I have the feeling cannot be done without creating a giant mess |
| 04:35.33 | Kueken | at least my dialogs always look that way |
| 04:36.40 | JademusSreg | It's better to finish than to make perfect, because the latter takes significant time. |
| 04:37.01 | Kueken | <- perfectionist in spe :D |
| 04:37.05 | Mexa | text is useful in the same sense as referencing individual data was in the wc3 tooltip |
| 04:37.08 | Mexa | You can do the same with text |
| 04:37.26 | Kueken | you have no idea how much time I spend on adjusting tiny little details noone will ever notice |
| 04:38.13 | JademusSreg | Really, a lot of developers (maps, games, whathaveya) will get stuck refactoring a fuckton of code and set their development back by months because they thought improving the code would save time. |
| 04:38.25 | Kueken | the data reference in sc2 for text is superb |
| 04:38.34 | JademusSreg | This is, in fact, why most indie game devs fail. =D |
| 04:38.36 | Mexa | jademus, that includes me |
| 04:38.38 | Kueken | you can even do all sorts of calculations |
| 04:38.47 | Mexa | In sc2 anywho |
| 04:38.57 | JademusSreg | Yeah, Keuken, that is pretty awesome. |
| 04:39.10 | JademusSreg | Much easier to do in the test editor. |
| 04:39.22 | Mexa | But you have a valid point there. Even in our game project for class, we attempted to redesign the controls and aiming several times |
| 04:39.34 | Mexa | At the cost of us really stressing the last 2 weels |
| 04:39.36 | Mexa | *weeks |
| 04:39.48 | Mexa | sillyvanilly |
| 04:40.26 | Mexa | I envy the guy who programmed super meat boy |
| 04:40.27 | Kueken | thats probably why all page 1 maps have "bad" coding :D |
| 04:40.46 | Mexa | And that he programmed everything and for multiple platforms |
| 04:41.21 | JademusSreg | I guess I need to get ready to hop on the gom stream. |
| 04:41.44 | Mexa | hmm, isn't it still another ½hour? |
| 04:41.50 | JademusSreg | Dunno. |
| 04:41.57 | JademusSreg | I don't keep track of time. |
| 04:42.00 | Mexa | 25min more |
| 04:42.06 | Mexa | :) |
| 04:42.21 | Kueken | so start at 07.13? |
| 04:42.27 | Mexa | yeah |
| 04:42.35 | Kueken | o_0 |
| 04:42.39 | Mexa | or, 07.07 |
| 04:42.52 | Kueken | xD |
| 04:42.53 | Mexa | or supposingly, 14.10 KST |
| 04:43.01 | Mexa | Which is 7.10 CET |
| 04:43.28 | Kueken | obviously, 06.42 + 25 = 07.13 |
| 04:43.41 | Kueken | <- math genius |
| 04:43.42 | Mexa | Well, their original schedule is .10 |
| 04:43.51 | Mexa | So herpaderpa derp |
| 04:44.06 | *** join/#sc2mapster LordAbyss (~Christoph@ip72-201-114-36.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 04:44.14 | Mexa | That the timer then lies with +- 3 minutes is not my fault :p |
| 04:44.59 | Mexa | Also, Kueken |
| 04:45.02 | Mexa | Your math fails |
| 04:45.14 | JademusSreg | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/MiddleEarthPreview.jpg |
| 04:45.26 | Mexa | 42 + 25 = 67 eg x.07 |
| 04:45.30 | Kueken | thats what I tried to say, yes |
| 04:45.36 | JademusSreg | So I started making an lotr terrain just to demonstrate I could. |
| 04:45.41 | Mexa | oh |
| 04:45.42 | Mexa | Lol |
| 04:45.48 | Mexa | I failed to see the sarcasm |
| 04:45.53 | Mexa | zZzzz |
| 04:45.54 | Kueken | dont worry |
| 04:45.58 | Mexa | My bad |
| 04:46.06 | Kueken | its very common :D |
| 04:46.15 | Mexa | Jademus, is that a sc2 minimap? |
| 04:46.22 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 04:46.31 | Mexa | for whom? |
| 04:46.45 | JademusSreg | For me, pretty much. |
| 04:47.00 | JademusSreg | Ulose wants to use it, but for lulz, I'm going to release it to the public. |
| 04:47.04 | Mexa | oh wait, I thought it was a lotr map |
| 04:47.28 | Mexa | blergsdf |
| 04:47.31 | JademusSreg | Yeah, third age or something. |
| 04:48.02 | Mexa | But you made the design up, or do you have a frame of reference? |
| 04:48.22 | JademusSreg | Some map. |
| 04:48.31 | JademusSreg | An image. |
| 04:48.39 | Mexa | Uhm btw.. you wanted a BoolToInt function didn't you= |
| 04:48.46 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 04:49.02 | Mexa | There's a native one |
| 04:49.09 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 04:49.20 | Mexa | native int BoolToInt (bool f); |
| 04:49.34 | JademusSreg | No fuckin way. The must have added it. |
| 04:49.38 | JademusSreg | Awesome. |
| 04:49.41 | JademusSreg | Now to test it. |
| 04:49.45 | Mexa | :> |
| 04:49.52 | JademusSreg | Oh wait. |
| 04:49.55 | JademusSreg | My memory sucks. |
| 04:50.06 | Mexa | Hmm, it's been there for some time |
| 04:50.07 | JademusSreg | I wanted IntToBool. |
| 04:50.10 | Mexa | oh |
| 04:50.16 | Mexa | ah:p |
| 05:02.23 | Kueken | I want implicit cast for that xD |
| 05:02.56 | Mexa | http://www.gomtv.net/2011super1/live/ the broadcasting has begun |
| 05:03.02 | Mexa | But yeah, it's still K-pop |
| 05:04.37 | JademusSreg | They look delicious. |
| 05:04.41 | Mexa | :3 |
| 05:06.09 | Mexa | Only lacks HD |
| 05:06.25 | Mexa | And it would been great I guess :p |
| 05:08.28 | Kueken | you need to register AND download a custom player? |
| 05:08.39 | Mexa | thats GOMtv for you |
| 05:08.41 | Kueken | ok gomtv just lost a potential viewer |
| 05:09.07 | Mexa | The stream is probably mirrored on either justin, livestream or such |
| 05:10.05 | Mexa | But since it hasn't really started yet |
| 05:10.14 | Mexa | Okay it starts now |
| 05:10.25 | Mexa | Not a minute late |
| 05:15.33 | Mexa | Kueken |
| 05:15.41 | Mexa | Aren't you suppose to sleep too? |
| 05:16.07 | Kueken | sleep is for pussys, like oxygen, food and daylight |
| 05:16.32 | Mexa | lol |
| 05:24.07 | Mexa | Hmm, I wonder if Blizzard will reveal anything on E3 this year |
| 05:24.22 | Xapti | anyone got a link to the new HotS trailer video? |
| 05:24.38 | Mexa | Last time they wasn't even there, but they had their own invitational thingy in the middle of the summer. |
| 05:25.49 | Xapti | Kueken I use VLC combinaed with a simple intermediary program |
| 05:26.11 | Mexa | Oh, the new trailer |
| 05:26.24 | Xapti | cause I don't want to install another media player |
| 05:26.27 | Mexa | I'll check if I can find it again |
| 05:26.48 | Mexa | "One does not simply stim into Mordor" |
| 05:26.49 | Xapti | although the registering is nothing. One can use bugmenot, or just make a free acct in under a minute |
| 05:26.49 | Kueken | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRsFxfOEZa0 |
| 05:26.53 | Mexa | they didn't do that |
| 05:26.56 | Mexa | :v |
| 05:27.07 | Xapti | it's only 45 seconds? |
| 05:27.12 | Mexa | indeed |
| 05:27.26 | Kueken | 20 if you cut unnecessary stuff ^^ |
| 05:27.50 | Mexa | time to flip them nuggets |
| 05:27.57 | Mexa | nomnom |
| 05:29.21 | Xapti | man that was a lot of nothing, lol |
| 05:30.39 | Kueken | or like james bond would say |
| 05:30.47 | Kueken | "a lovely whisp of nothing" |
| 05:33.23 | Mexa | Bond says that? |
| 05:33.33 | Kueken | :D |
| 05:33.38 | Kueken | free translation |
| 05:33.47 | Kueken | no idea whats the original text |
| 05:33.49 | Mexa | ok:) |
| 05:34.45 | Kueken | was about the outfit of a woman |
| 05:36.53 | Mexa | ah |
| 05:36.58 | Mexa | I don't remember either tho |
| 05:39.48 | JademusSreg | Starcraft is Korean Soccer. |
| 05:40.11 | Mexa | sure thing |
| 05:40.27 | Kueken | depends |
| 05:41.11 | Kueken | I recently read an article that starcraft in korea is about as popular as, say ice hockey or basketball in germany |
| 05:41.12 | Mexa | the sc eports scene anyways |
| 05:41.19 | Kueken | not as much as soccer |
| 05:41.35 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 05:41.44 | Mexa | he did say korean soccer tho. |
| 05:41.45 | Kueken | so it could be as popular as soccer in US |
| 05:42.29 | Kueken | I interpreted korean soccer like as popular as soccer in other countrys |
| 05:42.35 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 05:42.50 | JademusSreg | That was the interpretation I intended. |
| 05:42.57 | Mexa | oh well, hurrhurr |
| 05:43.20 | Kueken | in the us, soccer is less popular than, lets say, football, baseball, basketball, correct? |
| 05:43.28 | JademusSreg | Correct. |
| 05:43.37 | Xapti | soccor is more popular in korea than it is in US AFAIK |
| 05:43.54 | Kueken | soccer is definitely more popular in germany :D |
| 05:44.08 | Kueken | #1 without major competition |
| 05:44.41 | Mexa | I don't see soccers having sponsorship on jumbojets |
| 05:44.50 | Mexa | But I see starcraft |
| 05:44.59 | Kueken | :) |
| 05:45.16 | Xapti | don't brazil and italy have massive fans of soccer? |
| 05:45.30 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 05:45.34 | Kueken | I didnt want to say germany #1 in soccer |
| 05:45.41 | Kueken | just soccer #1 in germany |
| 05:45.47 | Mexa | Spain too |
| 05:45.47 | JademusSreg | There are even soccer fields in Baghdad. |
| 05:45.51 | Xapti | what about brazil |
| 05:47.01 | Mexa | :V |
| 05:47.06 | Mexa | Nukes and motherships |
| 05:47.10 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 05:47.11 | Mexa | Mmmm yesh |
| 05:47.21 | Mexa | I like! |
| 05:47.22 | Kueken | sounds like great sponsoring |
| 05:47.33 | Kueken | team liquid banners on nuclear missiles |
| 05:47.50 | Mexa | Talked about GSL tho :D |
| 05:48.01 | Kueken | gsl on korean missiles |
| 05:48.15 | Kueken | and then in WW3 we will see who has better micro |
| 05:48.17 | Mexa | damn |
| 05:48.19 | JademusSreg | Hahaha |
| 05:48.34 | Mexa | lol Kueken. |
| 05:49.24 | Kueken | this would be good for the mapster irc quote thread, no? :D |
| 05:49.53 | Kueken | (assuming such a thread exists) |
| 05:49.59 | Mexa | lol^ |
| 05:50.26 | Mexa | No, then I'd ridicule myself by various reasons way to often |
| 05:50.27 | Mexa | :p |
| 05:51.11 | Kueken | xD |
| 05:51.25 | Kueken | searching for "irc quote" on mapster |
| 05:51.30 | Kueken | first result: |
| 05:51.38 | Kueken | project page of my own map |
| 05:51.43 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 05:52.19 | JademusSreg | Nuking there seems pointless. |
| 05:52.22 | Kueken | cannot remember even mentioning IRC in the thread somewhere |
| 05:52.37 | JademusSreg | How much do nukes cost? |
| 05:52.42 | Kueken | but whatever, in search we trust! |
| 05:52.48 | Kueken | 100/100? |
| 05:53.00 | JademusSreg | Oh, not so bad. |
| 05:53.15 | Kueken | in BW they were more expensive |
| 05:53.22 | Kueken | and took much longer to build |
| 05:53.29 | JademusSreg | I remember. |
| 05:53.36 | Kueken | not to mention you needed a CC for each :D |
| 05:53.41 | JademusSreg | Yup. |
| 05:53.45 | JademusSreg | Shitty addons. |
| 05:54.02 | JademusSreg | I love their new addon system. <3 |
| 05:54.36 | Kueken | I dislike many of the new sounds :/ |
| 05:54.50 | Kueken | old DT attack sound <3 |
| 05:55.04 | JademusSreg | Yeah, nostalgia a bit there. |
| 05:55.20 | JademusSreg | But overall, I like SC2 more than the first. |
| 05:55.46 | Kueken | ya, probably |
| 05:55.51 | JademusSreg | Wish zerg had lurkers, scourges, and defilers. |
| 05:56.06 | Mexa | BLAM |
| 05:56.11 | Kueken | still, I could rage about so much stuff all day long :D |
| 05:56.43 | Kueken | did I ever mention how absurdly stupid the lobby autostart with cancel disabled thing is? |
| 05:56.44 | JademusSreg | Nuke the bottom right raaaaa |
| 05:56.59 | JademusSreg | I hate disabled cancel. |
| 05:57.13 | Mexa | Damn, I think protoss is finished |
| 05:57.15 | Kueken | wc3 had this problem with the countdown leavers, where the game still starts |
| 05:57.21 | Kueken | so |
| 05:57.21 | Mexa | I was cheering for him |
| 05:57.25 | JademusSreg | Autostart is double-edged, but disabling cancel is shit. |
| 05:57.43 | Kueken | what did the geniuses at blizzard came up with as a solution? |
| 05:57.53 | Kueken | no, dont cancel the countdown |
| 05:58.02 | Kueken | disable the leave button -.- |
| 05:58.13 | JademusSreg | I exit the client. |
| 05:58.17 | Kueken | everyone with an iq higher than toast sees the flaw in this |
| 05:58.19 | JademusSreg | With rage. |
| 05:58.50 | Kueken | why blizzard did this blows my mind |
| 05:58.55 | Kueken | or |
| 05:59.14 | JademusSreg | One thing will explain all the bnet problems./ |
| 05:59.16 | Xapti | wtf why is patch 1.3.4 so huge |
| 05:59.16 | Kueken | why the fuck no native autocompletion for galaxy? |
| 05:59.19 | JademusSreg | Greg Canessa. |
| 05:59.25 | Xapti | it's like 13MB ? |
| 05:59.53 | JademusSreg | That was a good game. |
| 06:00.09 | Kueken | you could probably rage about pop system all day long as well, but thats a different story, because its a new game |
| 06:00.20 | Kueken | *system |
| 06:00.26 | Kueken | whatever |
| 06:00.32 | Mexa | Great game indeed |
| 06:00.35 | JademusSreg | They implemented new features to help even out the problems with the pop system. |
| 06:00.37 | Mexa | Lets hope the rest are as good |
| 06:00.48 | JademusSreg | So I have nothing to criticize about it. |
| 06:00.55 | Kueken | which should be present from the start, and even more |
| 06:00.58 | Mexa | Hopefully a zerg next |
| 06:01.08 | JademusSreg | Though Fun or Not needs a party join. |
| 06:01.21 | Mexa | indeed |
| 06:01.26 | Kueken | and many of those features are just common sense |
| 06:01.49 | Kueken | which any employee at blizzard should have been able to come up with |
| 06:01.53 | Xapti | huh it said "submitting non-personal system information" when I logged in |
| 06:02.04 | Kueken | and those guys are supposed to know what they are doing |
| 06:02.09 | Mexa | It did so for me as well yesterday |
| 06:02.17 | Mexa | It has been around since wow |
| 06:02.23 | Mexa | But never been used in sc2 before |
| 06:02.30 | Kueken | or |
| 06:02.37 | JademusSreg | NesTea. =D |
| 06:02.38 | Kueken | multiple variants per map |
| 06:02.53 | Xapti | it's probably part of why this update was 13MB |
| 06:03.03 | Kueken | why the... dont combine popularity and put all variants in one submenu? |
| 06:03.03 | Xapti | adding a bunch of ghost updates they don't mention |
| 06:03.12 | Mexa | Xapti, it's their way to check all your drivers and stuff, to collect information about why the game would run sloppy and such |
| 06:03.30 | Mexa | Something like that |
| 06:05.26 | Mexa | ... I want From Dust |
| 06:05.43 | Mexa | It looks great |
| 06:05.59 | JademusSreg | Looks pretty neat. |
| 06:06.18 | JademusSreg | But I probably won't get it unless it's on Steam and is less than $10. |
| 06:06.50 | Mexa | answer is probably yes and no |
| 06:07.08 | Mexa | It's a downloadable title for PC and more. |
| 06:07.18 | Mexa | But probably not 10$ |
| 06:07.19 | JademusSreg | I've got a growing list of $10 games I want. =D |
| 06:07.32 | Mexa | lols;p |
| 06:08.45 | Mexa | weeiii, nestea |
| 06:08.58 | Mexa | aw it's ZvZ |
| 06:10.32 | JademusSreg | Oh man. |
| 06:12.54 | Dogmai | hmm |
| 06:12.56 | Dogmai | progammer: |
| 06:13.16 | progammer | im here |
| 06:13.47 | Dogmai | Can you sticky my thread baby |
| 06:13.48 | Dogmai | <3 |
| 06:14.06 | progammer | which thread, honey |
| 06:14.30 | Dogmai | The one where I posted pics of us in the jacuzzi last night |
| 06:14.34 | Dogmai | Nothing suss if the balls dont touch |
| 06:14.38 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 06:14.39 | Dogmai | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/triggers/21948-common-sense-101-triggering-edition/ |
| 06:15.29 | Dogmai | I just watched Glee's cover of Friday |
| 06:15.36 | Mexa | I might fall asleep during the ½hour or so |
| 06:15.38 | Dogmai | Stupid glee makes stupid song better |
| 06:15.53 | Mexa | So if I vanishes, I wish you all good morning and good night. |
| 06:16.00 | Mexa | Seeya! |
| 06:16.04 | JademusSreg | I shall sleep after this match. |
| 06:16.11 | JademusSreg | No more terraining tonight for me. |
| 06:16.14 | Dogmai | I thought you guys are australian |
| 06:16.22 | Mexa | No, I am european |
| 06:16.27 | progammer | Dogmai: doesnt seem like it need sticky, sounds more like tutorial, will news it |
| 06:16.28 | JademusSreg | Crashing the editor repeatedly with foliage is lulz. |
| 06:16.41 | Mexa | heh |
| 06:17.40 | Dogmai | progammer: Its a 101 thread that all new comers should read, not really a tutorial thread more so than a set of rules that should be followed to help people improve their maps. If I had been told that when i started scripting it would have saved me a shitload of time mate. |
| 06:18.37 | JademusSreg | Yeah, it looks like a good list of stuff GUI users should know, though it's morel ike a 102 course. |
| 06:18.50 | Mexa | Omg, those banelings could ahve been doing so much more damage :v |
| 06:18.59 | Dogmai | If it is not stickied, it will eventually fall down the ranks of the page, because there is no need to have any discussion about it, thus the purpose of it being required to be coated in that white man jizz that keeps topics at the top of the pages |
| 06:19.00 | progammer | Dogmai: will do both |
| 06:19.05 | Dogmai | ta baby |
| 06:19.08 | JademusSreg | 101 courses assume complete ignorance of the entire field on behalf of the students. =D |
| 06:19.36 | Dogmai | I would like to think that by joining sc2mapster, that you completed the 101 course on the battlenet forums, and thus are ready for 102 |
| 06:19.47 | Dogmai | progammer: what did you think of it btw, any points you want me to add? |
| 06:19.49 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 06:20.54 | progammer | Dogmai: the part with protect/open source is up to their opinion |
| 06:21.21 | Dogmai | indeed, i don't believe I wrote it that it could be mistaked that it was simply not my point of view? |
| 06:21.22 | progammer | edit them to sound more like guidline than tell ppl to do what you want |
| 06:21.49 | Dogmai | mistakened* |
| 06:22.02 | Dogmai | mistook? can we even use that word |
| 06:22.09 | Dogmai | we use it here -_- |
| 06:22.47 | Dogmai | Why was Rodrigo keeping the observers dialog a secret? |
| 06:23.00 | Dogmai | Did people actually ask him how he did it and he refused to tell them? |
| 06:23.03 | Mexa | his ego? |
| 06:23.09 | Dogmai | -_- |
| 06:23.10 | Mexa | Idk |
| 06:23.33 | Dogmai | I am a bit wary of him, sometimes we get along really well, other times he hates me |
| 06:23.38 | Dogmai | Cause I troll him like he trolls everyone else |
| 06:23.49 | Dogmai | If you dish it out you gotta be prepared to have it come back |
| 06:23.53 | JademusSreg | Create Dialog From Template. Wakka wakka |
| 06:24.08 | Dogmai | Herpaderp, can't believe people didn't know that. |
| 06:24.16 | Dogmai | Its been out for over a year as common knowledge. |
| 06:25.32 | Mexa | Dogmai, have you spoken to Rodrigo lately btw? |
| 06:26.11 | Dogmai | no actually |
| 06:26.13 | Kueken | dogmai dont make the thread sticky xD |
| 06:26.14 | Dogmai | not for about a month |
| 06:26.26 | Dogmai | depends what kinds of porn i watch Kueken |
| 06:26.29 | Kueken | common forum rules |
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| 06:26.36 | JademusSreg | Rodrigo is an incorrigible self-promoting narrcissist incapable of addressing beyond the tools by which he aggrandizes himself. |
| 06:26.40 | Kueken | nobody reads stickies |
| 06:27.10 | Kueken | couldn't have formulated it better |
| 06:27.48 | Kueken | but on the other side, he thinks of nice map concepts and has the guts and skills to realize them |
| 06:27.55 | Kueken | (dont tell him I said that) |
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| 06:30.41 | Mephs | then there's dogmai who drinks milk from a bag |
| 06:30.51 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 06:32.24 | Dogmai | why do I drink milk from a bad |
| 06:32.26 | Dogmai | bag |
| 06:32.28 | Dogmai | -_- |
| 06:32.31 | Mephs | cuz you're a canadian or something |
| 06:32.33 | Dogmai | I thought it was milk from a hag |
| 06:32.39 | Dogmai | directed at my dear mother |
| 06:32.54 | Dogmai | And I thought you were mexican --- |
| 06:32.58 | Mephs | i am. |
| 06:33.03 | Mephs | es problemo? |
| 06:33.38 | JademusSreg | Shit, NesTea hit hard with a nydus, goddamn. |
| 06:34.10 | Dogmai | Bu shi, ni zhi dao wo bu xi huan ni, fei po la |
| 06:34.21 | Mephs | ni hao ma |
| 06:34.25 | Mephs | u buy gold |
| 06:34.30 | Dogmai | bu hao |
| 06:34.32 | Dogmai | ta ma de |
| 06:34.37 | JademusSreg | Should have known better than to try and kill infested marines with mutas. |
| 06:34.42 | Mexa | Yeah Jade, Cezanne played this off great |
| 06:35.16 | JademusSreg | Infested Marines are crap in almost everyway, but they deal some decent damage, especially upgrades. |
| 06:37.21 | Mexa | 1 more game to go! |
| 06:37.27 | JademusSreg | Cool. |
| 06:37.37 | Mephs | i'm so glad i have chicken nuggets in a box |
| 06:38.00 | Mexa | I'm so glad my stomach is already full of those tasty nuggets |
| 06:49.19 | JademusSreg | Man. |
| 06:49.32 | JademusSreg | That was a cute game. |
| 06:51.14 | JademusSreg | Sleep time. Later. |
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| 07:33.20 | schn | herro |
| 07:34.29 | Creepstorm | i like herroes |
| 07:35.58 | schn | so anyway |
| 07:36.04 | schn | i published my first map |
| 07:36.08 | schn | i can play on SEa but not Na |
| 07:36.40 | Creepstorm | eu? |
| 07:36.58 | schn | i dont have eu |
| 07:37.02 | schn | im aus |
| 07:37.17 | schn | im pretty sure i publsihed as public but ill try again |
| 07:37.38 | Griffles | Remember you only have 3 free publishings |
| 07:37.49 | Griffles | After that you have to buy new ones, even to update old maps. |
| 07:37.57 | schn | what |
| 07:38.01 | schn | hhaa |
| 07:38.04 | schn | nice one griffles |
| 07:38.05 | schn | <3 |
| 07:38.07 | Griffles | :P |
| 07:40.55 | Kueken | afaik you can select to publish in NA or SEA |
| 07:41.25 | Kueken | so if you published in SEA you have to publish another time in NA to play it there |
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| 07:43.19 | schn | preferences _. region _. americas THX BRO KUEKEN |
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| 07:49.19 | schn | here goes the uploaaaaaaaaaad |
| 07:49.37 | Creepstorm | what map is it anyway? |
| 07:55.00 | schn | i'll show you |
| 07:59.00 | schn | whats the channel to go to to beg people to test |
| 07:59.47 | Creepstorm | here? |
| 07:59.54 | schn | i guess so |
| 08:00.58 | schn | maybe i could juts sit around in game for ages |
| 08:01.01 | schn | get the hours up |
| 08:01.19 | schn | or go through fun or not clicking "not" on everything |
| 08:01.42 | Creepstorm | staying ingame is better :D |
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| 09:33.14 | Clord | >_> |
| 09:33.36 | Clord | let me introduce chess table.... it is an chess table... but it is somehow more fun than laddering |
| 09:33.53 | Clord | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/general/general-chat/21956-is-starcraft-2-too-much-of-a-science/ |
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| 12:14.47 | Dresnia | Hows all doing today |
| 12:28.22 | Dresnia | I DEMAND A REPLY FFS |
| 13:02.47 | Stewox | mh |
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| 13:11.47 | burne- | Dresnia: yo |
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| 13:13.33 | Nash|327 | I has a problems |
| 13:14.06 | Nash|327 | using Augment ability with a Set of Apply effects :G |
| 13:14.21 | Nash|327 | But it doesn't apply the buffs D: |
| 13:16.43 | burne- | you got target location right? |
| 13:17.00 | burne- | apply bufffs as in behaviours? |
| 13:17.08 | Nash|327 | well apply effects don't have a target |
| 13:17.19 | Nash|327 | they have a unit value |
| 13:17.25 | Nash|327 | which doesn't seem to help :G |
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| 13:18.38 | Nash|327 | I'm using Charge but instead of applying just a buff to the zealot I want a buff on the charged target as well |
| 13:19.46 | burne- | dunno im no data expert, but still wanted to try to help :( |
| 13:21.00 | Nash|327 | wonder if it's the validators :G |
| 13:22.30 | Dresnia | Hello ! |
| 13:23.04 | burne- | hello |
| 13:23.09 | burne- | yes i made the video |
| 13:23.30 | burne- | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/project-workplace/15518-adventures-of-goku-firebat-ch4-wrath-of-duran/?page=2 |
| 13:23.35 | burne- | its not too impressiv3e |
| 13:23.39 | Nash|327 | yeah, validator issue |
| 13:23.53 | Dresnia | Chapter 4 right ? |
| 13:23.57 | burne- | no |
| 13:24.02 | burne- | scroll to last post.... |
| 13:24.10 | Nash|327 | now to figure out how to make a damn effect trigger on death |
| 13:24.21 | Nash|327 | using a behavior |
| 13:26.11 | Dresnia | maybe some hidden buff ish |
| 13:26.16 | Dresnia | too detect units hp or so |
| 13:26.47 | Nash|327 | ah death repsonse |
| 13:27.13 | Dresnia | burne- : seriously your music choices on your videos is hilarious |
| 13:27.21 | burne- | :) |
| 13:28.34 | burne- | I actually think it would be better not to make Goku Firebat map, but I guess I still go with the theme |
| 13:28.43 | burne- | other idea was just to make the abilities as weapons |
| 13:28.47 | burne- | and you could buy them |
| 13:29.07 | burne- | so you would have so many combinations of different weapons = faster to make and high replay value |
| 13:29.27 | burne- | Dresnia: ;D |
| 13:29.31 | burne- | your comme nt |
| 13:29.35 | burne- | comment* |
| 13:29.56 | Dresnia | =P |
| 13:30.13 | burne- | since making heroes with 6 abilities takes extremely long |
| 13:30.22 | burne- | so...dunno |
| 13:30.28 | Dresnia | haha, yup |
| 13:30.29 | burne- | maybe it doesnt matter |
| 13:30.34 | Dresnia | Nash|327 : knows all about it |
| 13:30.39 | burne- | I just do it slowly and it becomes what it becomes |
| 13:30.54 | burne- | I shouldnt be likje blizzard. Max profit for everything -_- |
| 13:31.04 | Dresnia | there is no profit |
| 13:31.04 | Dresnia | :p |
| 13:31.12 | burne- | there is |
| 13:31.14 | Dresnia | it's all 100% waste of time |
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| 13:31.21 | Dresnia | where is the profit then |
| 13:31.21 | Nash|327 | now I just need a way to check if a unit changes targets via validators D: |
| 13:31.39 | burne- | its easier to increase replay value |
| 13:31.45 | burne- | if I just make them as weapons |
| 13:31.55 | burne- | but then it wouldnt be goku firebat |
| 13:31.56 | burne- | :D |
| 13:31.56 | Dresnia | also scares off people like me |
| 13:32.01 | Dresnia | who hate the lazy shop shit |
| 13:32.29 | burne- | hmm yea you have a point there |
| 13:33.56 | burne- | Im gona add shop for items/units later |
| 13:34.03 | burne- | not really planned what stuff Ill add there |
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| 13:39.32 | Dj0z | Hello |
| 13:40.28 | Dj0z | Is anybody here? |
| 13:52.25 | Stewox | hello |
| 13:52.29 | Stewox | dresnia |
| 13:52.38 | Stewox | can i converty SC2beta map to Retail ? |
| 13:59.58 | Mexa | Hi |
| 14:00.03 | Stewox | heelo |
| 14:00.18 | Stewox | how can i modify camera so it displays terrain from higher zoom out |
| 14:00.46 | Dj0z | well |
| 14:01.22 | Dj0z | theres an action called zoom camera |
| 14:01.54 | Dj0z | put a higher value in the second field compared to the first and gg. |
| 14:05.35 | Stewox | horizontal field of view ? |
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| 14:07.19 | Dj0z | no.. |
| 14:08.32 | Dj0z | the action you want is specifically acting on the zoom, nothing else |
| 14:08.52 | Dj0z | browse all camera actions until you find that one |
| 14:09.41 | Dj0z | it will ask you for a point btw. just give "current focus of player camera" thingy |
| 14:11.23 | Stewox | not talking about triggers |
| 14:11.40 | Stewox | i just want the editor displaying the terrain when i zoom out |
| 14:11.41 | Dj0z | oh you mean in editor? |
| 14:11.49 | Stewox | it's cutting terrain |
| 14:11.56 | Stewox | i can see only half map |
| 14:12.00 | Stewox | default settings |
| 14:12.11 | Dj0z | hold ctrl |
| 14:12.13 | Stewox | also , default camera options are not correct |
| 14:12.17 | Dj0z | and roll mouse wheel |
| 14:12.19 | Stewox | it's too close to ground |
| 14:13.39 | Stewox | whow |
| 14:13.42 | Stewox | it worked |
| 14:13.47 | Stewox | draw distance |
| 14:13.50 | Stewox | exactly |
| 14:13.53 | Stewox | tnx |
| 14:13.55 | Stewox | now |
| 14:14.04 | Stewox | what about default MELEE camera settings (data) |
| 14:14.30 | Stewox | notably the distance from the ground |
| 14:14.37 | Stewox | height above ground |
| 14:15.25 | Dj0z | now you mean for ingame? |
| 14:15.45 | Stewox | yes |
| 14:15.51 | Stewox | but it's done in editor of course |
| 14:15.57 | Stewox | Ccamera |
| 14:16.00 | Dj0z | refer to what i said earlier then |
| 14:16.02 | Stewox | Default Camera |
| 14:16.13 | Stewox | i forgot what i |
| 14:16.15 | Stewox | u said |
| 14:16.17 | Stewox | anyways |
| 14:16.22 | Dj0z | and just apply this with the event "map initialization" to all players |
| 14:16.33 | Stewox | what ? |
| 14:16.56 | Stewox | melee maps have all standard camera height settings |
| 14:16.57 | Dj0z | " <Stewox> how can i modify camera so it displays terrain from higher zoom out [16:00] <Dj0z> well [16:01] <Dj0z> theres an action called zoom camera [16:01] <Dj0z> put a higher value in the second field compared to the first and gg." |
| 14:17.12 | Stewox | where ? |
| 14:17.41 | Dj0z | well as soon as you modifiy anything that is not terrain or lobby, it's no longer a melee map you know |
| 14:18.42 | Stewox | no |
| 14:18.47 | Dj0z | Anybody could tell me some decent setup values for a light fog? |
| 14:18.49 | Stewox | the editor is wrong |
| 14:19.00 | Stewox | SC2 ingmae has CAMERA higher up |
| 14:19.04 | Stewox | i want the camera higher up |
| 14:19.14 | Stewox | dont care about melee certification |
| 14:19.42 | Dj0z | then find the "zoom camera" action and put second value higher than 1st value. |
| 14:19.56 | Stewox | what's the first value ? |
| 14:20.41 | Stewox | i don't want to zoom it somewhere on some place |
| 14:20.52 | Stewox | i want it permanently at my custom height |
| 14:21.13 | Stewox | so i need to copy this trigger for every single players |
| 14:21.19 | Stewox | i don't se ALl PLayers option |
| 14:21.23 | Stewox | ALL* |
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| 14:24.14 | Stewox | first value is not a value it's a presset |
| 14:33.39 | Dresnia | Whats going on Whats going on Whats going on Whats going on Whats going on |
| 14:38.07 | Stewox | dresni |
| 14:38.11 | Stewox | dresnia |
| 14:38.13 | Stewox | do you know |
| 14:38.26 | Stewox | how to set default camera heigh |
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| 14:58.32 | burne- | you could just create new camera to your liking and use apply camera object trigger |
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| 15:10.24 | Stewox | i don't know the value |
| 15:10.33 | Stewox | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:27.34 | burne- | there also was trigger action to change cameras stats |
| 15:27.38 | burne- | dont remember it though |
| 15:32.45 | Dresnia | burne- |
| 15:32.50 | Dresnia | did he mean in the editor ? |
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| 15:37.27 | Guest5736 | hello :) |
| 15:38.14 | Ech0_ | that's a lot of registered names :S |
| 15:39.29 | Dresnia | :p |
| 15:39.44 | Dresnia | I regged mine too. |
| 15:40.44 | Ech0__ | ah, i rarely come to freenode, i keep forgetting how large it is |
| 15:40.55 | Ech0__ | common names are bound to be taken |
| 15:42.18 | Dresnia | Hmmm |
| 15:42.19 | Dresnia | So. |
| 15:42.24 | Ech0__ | im just reading through your wiki at the moment, im new here :) |
| 15:42.27 | Dresnia | Is Elder Scrolls really THAT good ? |
| 15:42.32 | Dresnia | The only one I played was on erm |
| 15:42.34 | Dresnia | XBOX |
| 15:42.38 | Dresnia | not even a 360 |
| 15:42.46 | Ech0__ | dont know, i havent played it, i am a fan of fallout 3 though :) |
| 15:42.51 | Dresnia | Well welcome then Ech0 |
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| 15:43.01 | Ech0__ | nice to meet you Dresnia |
| 15:43.07 | Dresnia | Yeah for now |
| 15:43.11 | Dresnia | Untill you get too know me |
| 15:43.12 | Dresnia | :P |
| 15:43.14 | Ech0__ | heh |
| 15:43.26 | Ech0__ | yeah so i've always been interested in doing some map dev for sc2 but never had the time |
| 15:43.39 | Dresnia | time isn't the issue for most |
| 15:43.41 | Dresnia | it's finishing it |
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| 15:44.03 | Ech0__ | yeah big projects can get cumbersome, and then you lose the will to continue |
| 15:44.08 | Ech0__ | happens to me all the time! |
| 15:45.25 | Ech0__ | you guys seemed to have the most "fully featured" sc2 maping site on the web, so i figured i'd head on down to your irc and see whats up |
| 15:46.10 | Dresnia | this chat is awesome |
| 15:46.17 | Dresnia | but it has its 'up/down' times over day |
| 15:46.40 | Ech0__ | yeah, im used to that, i come from a much smaller server |
| 15:46.46 | Dresnia | :) |
| 15:46.53 | Ech0__ | and it has it's moments when the channel is dead |
| 15:47.14 | Dresnia | Usually when I'm talkin I manage to keep it going :P |
| 15:47.22 | Dresnia | burne- : should jump in soon |
| 15:47.24 | Ech0__ | haha, i do the same at my server |
| 15:47.26 | Dresnia | Stewox should be back soon |
| 15:47.39 | Ech0__ | cool, i'd like to meet more people here |
| 15:48.05 | burne- | lol, hello |
| 15:48.08 | Dresnia | JademusSreg is worth meeting |
| 15:48.16 | Ech0__ | hello burne- :) |
| 15:48.18 | Dresnia | Mephs and Mexa aswell |
| 15:48.26 | burne- | I was actually just watching when you said I would jump in soon, but didnt want to respond immidialetly :D |
| 15:48.31 | Dresnia | The rest are just noobs lurking our awesomness |
| 15:48.42 | Dresnia | Oh we also got Nash|327, who is addicted to kittuns in bags |
| 15:48.43 | Dresnia | :P |
| 15:48.57 | burne- | Helral|afk: is the weirdo |
| 15:49.00 | Dresnia | burne- : my burne sense was tingeling |
| 15:49.03 | burne- | i think nash is a bit too |
| 15:49.05 | Ech0__ | awesome, well you can consider me a noob when it comes to map dev |
| 15:49.06 | Dresnia | Helral is our UI god |
| 15:49.28 | Dresnia | well burne- has to be the biggest noob in here |
| 15:49.31 | Dresnia | he just bad |
| 15:49.36 | Ech0__ | i see |
| 15:49.36 | burne- | yea |
| 15:49.48 | Dresnia | all he does is control paste crap out of crap maps |
| 15:49.48 | burne- | trying to learn though |
| 15:49.51 | Dresnia | and take credit for it |
| 15:49.56 | Ech0__ | well, im hoping it wont be too difficult to get into it |
| 15:50.05 | Ech0__ | i used to do a lot of map dev in warcraft 3 |
| 15:50.10 | Dresnia | got any history ? |
| 15:50.17 | Dresnia | should be fine |
| 15:50.19 | Ech0__ | well, im a programmer |
| 15:50.29 | Ech0__ | i usually write kernel dev operating system stuff |
| 15:50.37 | Dresnia | I hear alot of people compare it too Java or whatever |
| 15:50.48 | Ech0__ | i know that language too |
| 15:50.51 | Dresnia | but about coding, there been a really good thread up recently |
| 15:50.54 | Ech0__ | but i dont really care for it |
| 15:50.54 | Dresnia | some 'tips' |
| 15:51.00 | Ech0__ | link? |
| 15:51.05 | Ech0__ | or is it easy to find |
| 15:51.07 | Dresnia | searching it |
| 15:51.08 | burne- | well you need to know a lot about data too |
| 15:51.13 | burne- | if you wana make a decent map |
| 15:51.19 | Ech0__ | yeah, that's my weak point |
| 15:51.25 | Dresnia | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/triggers/21948-common-sense-101-triggering-edition/ |
| 15:51.44 | Dresnia | Well I think you can say anything is possible in the editor |
| 15:51.58 | Dresnia | But they way to get it done could be easyer or harder then you think |
| 15:52.10 | Ech0__ | hmmm, i know all of this |
| 15:52.32 | Ech0__ | im really focused on learning about the data editor really, when it comes to programming i have it down pretty easily |
| 15:52.54 | Ech0__ | believe it or not, i write some fairly complex code xD |
| 15:53.01 | Dresnia | well imo data is mostly variables or so |
| 15:53.09 | Ech0__ | like actors and stuff? |
| 15:53.12 | Dresnia | like HP : this |
| 15:53.28 | Ech0__ | oh, i know that, but to get some decent effects you need to play with actors |
| 15:53.28 | Ech0__ | no? |
| 15:53.30 | Dresnia | well actors is also like 'animation left arm : marineleftarm.bla' |
| 15:53.50 | Dresnia | That's just my opinion though |
| 15:53.53 | Ech0__ | hmmm, i remember seeing a thread that had some fairly complex actor manipulation |
| 15:53.56 | Dresnia | I only do Terrain |
| 15:54.03 | Dresnia | Thereby my information could be invalid |
| 15:54.22 | Dresnia | Well there's a huge difference between making a Marine shooting lightning balls |
| 15:54.32 | Dresnia | Or making a whole new hero and animations etc |
| 15:54.55 | Ech0__ | another question, how is the support for 3rd party models and textures? |
| 15:55.09 | Ech0__ | last i checked (several months ago) it was pretty bad |
| 15:55.21 | Dresnia | It's rather good as far as I know ? I seen alot of people make stuff |
| 15:55.34 | Dresnia | Well alot of people got all WoW models going |
| 15:55.52 | Ech0__ | arent those stripped from the MPQ data files for WoW? |
| 15:55.54 | Dresnia | due copyright alot prefer Blizzard only stuff so |
| 15:56.02 | Ech0__ | i see |
| 15:56.24 | Dresnia | But if you know how to make your own model+texture+animate it |
| 15:56.32 | Nash|327 | KEYBOARD KITTUN |
| 15:56.37 | Dresnia | Then you could most likely get it inside sc2 too :P |
| 15:56.43 | Ech0__ | yeah, not my strong suit |
| 15:57.00 | Dresnia | Nash did you check beach |
| 15:57.02 | Dresnia | or too busy on zealot |
| 15:57.09 | Nash|327 | yeah I'm busy busy |
| 15:57.30 | Dresnia | fine |
| 15:57.33 | Dresnia | ignore my artwork |
| 15:57.54 | Nash|327 | will do! |
| 15:58.03 | Ech0__ | who's the goto guy around here for galaxy programming? |
| 15:58.13 | Dresnia | erm |
| 15:58.18 | Dresnia | you mean the actual tool ? |
| 15:58.19 | Nash|327 | GOTO! D:!! |
| 15:58.35 | Nash|327 | GOTO IS BAD |
| 15:58.37 | Ech0__ | like the person with good knowledge of galaxy programming |
| 15:58.43 | Ech0__ | Nash|327: not always :) |
| 15:58.47 | Dresnia | yes but programming the program itself |
| 15:58.48 | Nash|327 | lies |
| 15:58.50 | Dresnia | or inside the program |
| 15:58.54 | Nash|327 | use breaks with labels |
| 15:58.55 | Ech0__ | there are instances where goto can result in cleaner code |
| 15:59.22 | Ech0__ | and when doing any x86 assembly, all you have is goto at your disposle |
| 15:59.25 | Nash|327 | GOTO is blasphemy |
| 15:59.36 | Nash|327 | Well that's assembly |
| 15:59.37 | Nash|327 | D_D |
| 15:59.45 | Dresnia | Ech0__ : http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/third-party-tools/19619-galaxy-editor/ ? |
| 15:59.56 | Nash|327 | I don't count JMP, BNE and such as GOTO |
| 16:00.08 | Dresnia | me & Nash|327 project = http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/project-workplace/21591-untitled-hero-survival-arena-showcase-requesting-feedback/ |
| 16:00.08 | Ech0__ | yes, that |
| 16:00.10 | Nash|327 | GOTO is a high level programming statement :G |
| 16:00.17 | Ech0__ | eh same thing |
| 16:00.26 | Ech0__ | all it is, is just EIP changes |
| 16:00.46 | Ech0__ | wicked link Dresnia |
| 16:00.52 | Dresnia | wich one |
| 16:00.52 | Dresnia | lol |
| 16:00.57 | Ech0__ | the first one |
| 16:01.02 | Ech0__ | the galaxy++ |
| 16:01.10 | Dresnia | yeah I guess you find the nerds right there |
| 16:01.18 | Dresnia | or well Nash|327 is one too |
| 16:01.22 | Dresnia | aint we all ( |
| 16:01.32 | Nash|327 | I've never seen myself as a nerd. |
| 16:02.02 | Dresnia | DUDE |
| 16:02.03 | Ech0__ | it's been a while since i did any assembly anyway |
| 16:02.06 | Nash|327 | Nerds are obsessive about some field and concern themselves with pointless minutia. |
| 16:02.18 | Dresnia | ^ clearly, nerd. |
| 16:02.21 | Ech0__ | last thing i remember writing was a nice compact blowfish algo in x86 asm |
| 16:02.22 | Dresnia | Nash I been thinking |
| 16:02.27 | Nash|327 | I'm too pragmatical to be a nerd, I just don't give a shit about stuff I have no use for. |
| 16:02.28 | Dresnia | too promote our map a bit more for feedback |
| 16:02.34 | Dresnia | I could make a movie of our first 2 hero's |
| 16:02.39 | Dresnia | running around in some terrains |
| 16:02.40 | Dresnia | : > |
| 16:03.01 | Dresnia | Maybe you could make it work for tonight ? |
| 16:03.03 | Nash|327 | but then you'd nee to import the triggers and data to the main map |
| 16:03.11 | Dresnia | yeah |
| 16:03.21 | Dresnia | so combine 2 backups |
| 16:03.26 | Nash|327 | which is better done when the shit is actually done D_D |
| 16:03.36 | Dresnia | well does it take long |
| 16:03.48 | Dresnia | isn't it like export+import |
| 16:03.51 | Nash|327 | You have to set up variables for arenas |
| 16:03.59 | Dresnia | You : I |
| 16:04.08 | Nash|327 | remove all the debug crap |
| 16:04.20 | Dresnia | Ok so we doing it tonight |
| 16:04.23 | Dresnia | sounds like a plan |
| 16:04.25 | Dresnia | brb smoke |
| 16:04.28 | Nash|327 | negatory |
| 16:04.38 | Ech0__ | lol |
| 16:04.45 | Dresnia | could just drop the hero on the terrain |
| 16:04.49 | Dresnia | and spam some zerglings |
| 16:04.52 | Dresnia | to show the spells |
| 16:04.53 | Nash|327 | I don't want to do something twice just to make a video D: |
| 16:05.06 | Dresnia | you shall never be my moviestar=( |
| 16:05.07 | Dresnia | < afj |
| 16:05.09 | Dresnia | k |
| 16:05.23 | Nash|327 | If you want to use the test map and make fancy terrain in that go ahead |
| 16:05.43 | Nash|327 | Suppose you could copy/paste an arena into it. |
| 16:07.29 | Nash|327 | then you need to add some levels to heroes so you can show off abilities |
| 16:07.44 | Nash|327 | and anims aren't 100% yet |
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| 16:34.47 | JademusSreg | I awaken. |
| 16:35.59 | Ech0__ | hello JademusSreg |
| 16:36.34 | JademusSreg | Mmm, coffee and a cheese danish. |
| 16:36.49 | Ech0__ | sounds good, except for the coffee |
| 16:36.52 | Ech0__ | :S |
| 16:37.02 | Stewox | anyone knows how to change default camera height permantently for all players ... the editor has it's default camera lower to the ground, i want it higher |
| 16:37.22 | Ech0__ | cant you create a camera, and set it at map initalization? |
| 16:37.37 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 16:37.41 | JademusSreg | Camera Data. |
| 16:38.02 | Stewox | where ? |
| 16:38.11 | JademusSreg | In the Data Editor. |
| 16:38.13 | Stewox | what option , i tried my self |
| 16:38.16 | Stewox | nothing worked |
| 16:38.18 | JademusSreg | Under Cameras. |
| 16:38.28 | Stewox | yeah , what parameter |
| 16:39.06 | JademusSreg | There are a number. For instance, you'll notice both Zoom+ and Initial values field arrays. |
| 16:39.17 | JademusSreg | Both of which have a Height offset value, iirc. |
| 16:39.53 | JademusSreg | The one that matters is the one in Initial (or whatever it's called, I don't have the editor open atm). |
| 16:39.56 | Stewox | what it's called? |
| 16:40.22 | JademusSreg | But changing Zoom values can also be important, since a single mouse wheel scroll can cancel the changes. |
| 16:40.23 | Stewox | Distance ? |
| 16:40.26 | JademusSreg | No. |
| 16:40.28 | JademusSreg | Height. |
| 16:40.40 | JademusSreg | Distance is distance from target. |
| 16:40.52 | Stewox | Height offset is already 0.0 |
| 16:40.54 | Stewox | Z |
| 16:41.01 | Stewox | that's ridicolous |
| 16:41.19 | Stewox | okay |
| 16:41.26 | JademusSreg | There is also Angle of Attack. |
| 16:41.26 | Stewox | how much do i need for a normal melee map |
| 16:41.44 | Stewox | i notice all melee maps have higher camera than editor default |
| 16:42.06 | Stewox | i have no idea how to calculate those into thats |
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| 16:42.33 | Stewox | basically what the heck is this system , i just wanna have camera higher , need one setting , done , why i need to modify 4 settings |
| 16:42.41 | Stewox | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:43.03 | Stewox | okay i need to apply same changes to Zoom too |
| 16:45.25 | Stewox | jademussreg |
| 16:45.39 | RipperRoo | hey someone here good with 3ds max and can maybe explain me a short thing (i hope it is short) in a query ? :S |
| 16:45.49 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 16:45.50 | Stewox | any idea how can i find maps that were donwloaded through bnet ? |
| 16:45.58 | JademusSreg | Yup. |
| 16:46.02 | JademusSreg | 2 ways. |
| 16:46.08 | Stewox | and actually find what's name of it throught those stupid 24424872455525adifahdiahdfah |
| 16:46.21 | JademusSreg | 3, really, but the last one is too obvious. |
| 16:46.57 | JademusSreg | 1, searching through those hashed folders. Good luck with making something useful out of that. |
| 16:47.01 | Stewox | and then open it in editor , just want for private stuff , no stealing of course , for some testing and bug reports to help the creator |
| 16:47.36 | JademusSreg | 2, from the editor, Open -> Battlenet tab -> open a public map. |
| 16:48.07 | JademusSreg | 3, get a tool that generates unlocked maps from the hashes. |
| 16:48.09 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 16:49.12 | JademusSreg | 3 may or may not have improved since the last time I used it. |
| 16:50.16 | Stewox | ah thanks |
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| 16:54.18 | burne- | 2 skills done for raziel |
| 16:54.20 | burne- | 4 more to go |
| 16:54.28 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 16:54.34 | burne- | I need ideas for 3, one ability ill just copy from star drivers -_- |
| 16:54.58 | burne- | just working with my map |
| 16:55.44 | burne- | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/project-workplace/15518-adventures-of-goku-firebat-ch4-wrath-of-duran/#p33 |
| 16:56.00 | burne- | meh |
| 16:56.04 | burne- | its in last page |
| 16:56.06 | burne- | the video |
| 16:56.38 | JademusSreg | I don't know what a "goku firebat" is. |
| 16:57.34 | burne- | doestn really matter |
| 16:57.50 | JademusSreg | Care to explain? |
| 16:58.06 | burne- | just look the damn videos |
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| 16:58.16 | burne- | its my cinematic series inspired by dbz |
| 16:58.28 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 16:58.34 | burne- | flashy spells, trying to get feeling that you are like POWERFUL! |
| 16:58.40 | burne- | with big P |
| 16:58.50 | JademusSreg | I have only disdain for DBZ. |
| 16:59.02 | JademusSreg | So that's all I should say on the topic. |
| 16:59.06 | Stewox | any idea if specific triggers/folders can be exported from editor with ease and saved to an galaxy file? |
| 16:59.36 | JademusSreg | View Mapscript |
| 16:59.48 | JademusSreg | Then CnP the triggers. |
| 16:59.57 | Dresnia | Stewox |
| 17:00.01 | Dresnia | you managed camera yet |
| 17:00.22 | JademusSreg | Rather, cnp the trigger's script. |
| 17:00.23 | Stewox | idk if it works yet |
| 17:00.24 | Stewox | oi |
| 17:00.30 | Stewox | i changed something |
| 17:00.34 | Dresnia | but you wanted |
| 17:00.38 | Dresnia | 'standard' righ |
| 17:00.42 | Dresnia | right* |
| 17:01.00 | Dresnia | Well I'm lost but, ctrl+shift+c |
| 17:01.01 | Stewox | <?xml version="1.0" encoding="us-ascii"?> |
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| 17:01.02 | Dresnia | for reset |
| 17:01.03 | Stewox | <Catalog> |
| 17:01.04 | Stewox | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:01.06 | Stewox | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:01.08 | Stewox | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:01.10 | Stewox | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:01.11 | Stewox | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:01.13 | Stewox | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:01.15 | Stewox | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:01.17 | Stewox | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:01.19 | Stewox | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:01.21 | Stewox | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:01.23 | Stewox | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:01.25 | Stewox | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:01.27 | Stewox | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:01.28 | Stewox | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:01.30 | Stewox | </Catalog> |
| 17:01.40 | Stewox | i wanted to modify the standard yes |
| 17:01.50 | Stewox | double middle mouse click resets too |
| 17:01.57 | Dresnia | Seriously, PASTEBIN DOT COM |
| 17:02.00 | Stewox | know that since generals |
| 17:02.10 | Stewox | faster to post here :p |
| 17:02.13 | Dresnia | How should anyone read this, or even try bothering |
| 17:02.16 | Dresnia | You know better |
| 17:02.32 | Stewox | it's not a whole lot , not even half of screen |
| 17:02.45 | Ech0__ | we have a "use pastebin" kind of thing in our topic on our server, to prevent against this |
| 17:02.47 | Ech0__ | :) |
| 17:04.17 | Dresnia | half screen ? |
| 17:04.57 | Stewox | focus on what's posted |
| 17:05.11 | Stewox | and try to see what i did wrong |
| 17:05.13 | Stewox | please |
| 17:05.35 | Stewox | if it was something larger i would use pastebin |
| 17:05.49 | JademusSreg | Oh wait, there's a question? =D |
| 17:06.00 | Dresnia | Haha. Hey you. |
| 17:06.01 | A1win | can I modify hallucination so that the unit that's created has same amount of health as the caster? |
| 17:06.08 | A1win | or should I use triggers |
| 17:06.23 | Dresnia | I asume you could modify the hallucination units somehow ? |
| 17:06.25 | Dresnia | Unsure =/ |
| 17:06.28 | JademusSreg | A1, triggers. |
| 17:06.37 | A1win | yup yup |
| 17:06.46 | Dresnia | Arent the halucinated units in data too ? |
| 17:06.49 | Dresnia | thereby editable |
| 17:06.57 | Dresnia | altho that's alot of works I guess |
| 17:07.10 | JademusSreg | Stew, ParamSmooth? =\ |
| 17:07.17 | Dresnia | Stewox, I got no clue what you are even trying to do |
| 17:07.28 | JademusSreg | That can't be the correct field. |
| 17:07.30 | Stewox | i wanted to modify the standard yes |
| 17:07.50 | A1win | hallucinated units are the same units, they just have a buff |
| 17:07.51 | JademusSreg | ParamSmooth is for smoothing transitions or some shit, like blend for camera. |
| 17:08.03 | A1win | but yeah I'll do it with triggers |
| 17:08.06 | Dresnia | if you modify standard it isn't a standard anymore since you modified this 'standard' and thereby created a custom modified originally standard camera ? |
| 17:09.09 | Dresnia | A1win : if Jade says its trigger, I guess he is correct. But I would try modifying this 'buff' aswell to check things out |
| 17:09.20 | JademusSreg | Dres may have a point, in so far as Blizzarf cockblocked modifying core entries from the data editor in a recent patch. |
| 17:09.22 | Dresnia | Then again all my data knowledge is gatherd from chat and not expierince |
| 17:09.37 | JademusSreg | But modifying parents is valid, in any case. |
| 17:10.16 | RipperRoo | jade are u good with 3ds max ? :S |
| 17:10.26 | JademusSreg | I am not a modeller. Sorry. |
| 17:10.31 | Dresnia | I'm suprised I didn't hit a wall yet talking about stuff I literaly never seen or did in the editer :P |
| 17:10.32 | RipperRoo | hm damnit ok :D |
| 17:10.33 | JademusSreg | I do everything but model. |
| 17:10.39 | Dresnia | He even does anal. |
| 17:10.42 | Dresnia | There, I said it ! |
| 17:10.45 | RipperRoo | yeah well even texturing ?! |
| 17:10.46 | JademusSreg | Yup. |
| 17:10.48 | JademusSreg | It's true. |
| 17:10.54 | Dresnia | Does she allow it ? |
| 17:10.54 | RipperRoo | because my problem is with texturing xD |
| 17:10.56 | Dresnia | You lucky.. :-( |
| 17:11.03 | RipperRoo | why lucky about anal wtf |
| 17:11.12 | Dresnia | It looks cool in the video ! |
| 17:11.15 | RipperRoo | sick dresnia |
| 17:11.28 | JademusSreg | Yeah, Roo, I textures, too. |
| 17:11.36 | Dresnia | Nah I'm healthy I think |
| 17:11.41 | RipperRoo | thats fine because i have a problem about texturing xD |
| 17:12.18 | RipperRoo | i made a tennisball with material... now i want to add tetures so i need to do the UVW unwrap stuff and so on.. |
| 17:12.37 | Stewox | http://www.shrani.si/f/2k/Fh/17WlLMW9/sc2campos.jpg |
| 17:12.57 | RipperRoo | but i dont find a tutorial that helps me in my state ^^ :S |
| 17:13.12 | Dresnia | Are you making a wii sports minigame ? Just curious :P |
| 17:13.18 | RipperRoo | nah |
| 17:13.23 | RipperRoo | i am just making a tennisball |
| 17:13.24 | RipperRoo | :S |
| 17:13.26 | JademusSreg | Roo, talk to Shadow_Killer |
| 17:13.33 | Dresnia | Oh you'r one of those guys |
| 17:13.34 | JademusSreg | If you can get his attention. |
| 17:13.34 | RipperRoo | Shadow_Killer hey ! :p |
| 17:13.39 | Dresnia | Experimental type ! |
| 17:13.42 | Dresnia | Yet you find anal sick. |
| 17:13.43 | RipperRoo | ye .P |
| 17:13.44 | JademusSreg | Also, Skizot or Xaragoth. |
| 17:13.47 | Dresnia | This is awkward |
| 17:13.54 | RipperRoo | thanks jade |
| 17:13.54 | JademusSreg | All of them model, iirc. |
| 17:14.26 | burne- | omg guys |
| 17:14.32 | burne- | now I wana make a tennis game |
| 17:14.33 | burne- | but I wont |
| 17:14.33 | Dresnia | < girl |
| 17:14.37 | Dresnia | HAHA |
| 17:14.40 | burne- | need to do stuff with other map |
| 17:14.45 | RipperRoo | dresnia is not a girl i bet :S |
| 17:14.56 | Dresnia | Why wouldn't you enjoy anal with me then ? |
| 17:15.15 | RipperRoo | hmmm depends |
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| 17:15.42 | JademusSreg | I'm only uncertain about Xaragoth, but am certain about the other two. |
| 17:16.00 | RipperRoo | yeah but since u highlited them and no response.. they are probably afk.. or hiding ! |
| 17:16.39 | JademusSreg | They might be like me; I disabled highlighting. |
| 17:17.18 | Xaragoth | or they just can't be arsed, because they watch SK getting bashed in LoL |
| 17:17.18 | Xaragoth | :p |
| 17:17.30 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 17:18.35 | RipperRoo | hmmm^^ |
| 17:18.49 | RipperRoo | and how long will it take ? :D |
| 17:19.59 | Dresnia | http://images.4chan.org/b/src/1306601943252.jpg ahahahah |
| 17:20.02 | Dresnia | awesome |
| 17:20.28 | RipperRoo | oh a german team kicking SKs but ? :D |
| 17:20.43 | Dresnia | You need to re-highlight Xaragoth for a reply |
| 17:20.49 | Dresnia | So reply now Xaragoth |
| 17:20.55 | Dresnia | Let's all annoy Xaragoth for a reply |
| 17:21.04 | Xaragoth | Sure it's a good idea? |
| 17:21.09 | Dresnia | I doubt it |
| 17:21.12 | RipperRoo | lol dresnia thats hillarious :D |
| 17:21.17 | Dresnia | But I can't stand his puppy eyes |
| 17:21.31 | Xaragoth | Well |
| 17:21.34 | Xaragoth | You can always cut them out |
| 17:21.35 | RipperRoo | my puppy eyes ? 0o |
| 17:21.36 | Xaragoth | Roast them |
| 17:21.39 | Xaragoth | And make a pretty penny. |
| 17:22.27 | Dresnia | I'm off for dinner, or well, afk atleast. |
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| 17:23.46 | Mexa | hi |
| 17:24.31 | JademusSreg | Hi. |
| 17:24.52 | Mexa | Any news? |
| 17:26.23 | JademusSreg | I heard there's a NA Photon Cycles tournament today. |
| 17:28.17 | Mexa | Really? |
| 17:28.19 | Mexa | That's sweet |
| 17:28.53 | Mexa | Brb movin' |
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| 17:34.03 | Mexa | kvback |
| 17:42.00 | Stewox | jademus |
| 17:42.04 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 17:42.12 | Stewox | how would i |
| 17:42.39 | Stewox | use a string and convert to numer what a player typed |
| 17:42.44 | Stewox | now i have |
| 17:43.07 | Stewox | Game (triggering player) types message "-example_example" matching exactly |
| 17:43.15 | Ashamed-home | sup |
| 17:43.22 | Stewox | action > Show Text message |
| 17:43.46 | Stewox | now ... i want to use that number inside triggers what the player typed after "-example_example" |
| 17:43.56 | Ashamed-home | did some sc2 rts last night mostly agsint pc... but was able to take out 2 hards with my friend... kinda fun |
| 17:44.22 | Stewox | for example: -delay = 200 |
| 17:44.40 | Stewox | that 200 converted to integer and used for script variable |
| 17:44.54 | JademusSreg | Well, gotta write a simple string parser, set match type to partially. |
| 17:45.26 | JademusSreg | StringToInt and StringToFixed to convert input values. |
| 17:45.35 | Stewox | but then partially would apply to text talking and not starting with only -command |
| 17:45.46 | JademusSreg | Naw. |
| 17:45.59 | Stewox | doesnt ? |
| 17:46.22 | JademusSreg | If you set message to "-command" and set match to partially, it would fire in case -command is somewhere else in a chat string. |
| 17:46.30 | Stewox | i thought it would affect "so i got the docs the other day and it says -command = 20 which would indicate ..:" |
| 17:46.35 | JademusSreg | Which is why in the trigger you check to make sure -command is at the beginning. |
| 17:46.57 | JademusSreg | But it must be partial match, otherwise it won't work at all the way you want. |
| 17:47.03 | Stewox | oh okay |
| 17:47.42 | Stewox | now for the parser |
| 17:49.09 | RipperRoo | Xaragoth are u there now? |
| 17:49.16 | Stewox | now what |
| 17:50.00 | Stewox | i would like the value entered after the -command be tied to a gloabal variable |
| 17:50.11 | JademusSreg | By all means. |
| 17:50.30 | Stewox | which would also be pointed to a UI messeage AFTER the variable has been changed (wait till it finishes then fire another action) |
| 17:50.49 | Stewox | that global variable would be used for script control ...etc |
| 17:52.39 | Nash|327 | kittununununununs |
| 17:53.44 | Nash|327 | so apparently Unit has Behavior doesn't work on a unit that's dead |
| 17:53.51 | JademusSreg | I haven't written chat parser shit in sc2 yet, though I wrote several in wc3. Haven't really needed to yet. |
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| 17:54.08 | Nash|327 | D; |
| 17:54.10 | JademusSreg | Nash, that sucks / is not surprising. |
| 17:54.25 | Nash|327 | yeah when you think about it |
| 17:54.28 | Nash|327 | makes sense |
| 17:54.33 | Nash|327 | but fucking annoying |
| 17:54.44 | Stewox | can u please find any clues for that |
| 17:54.52 | Stewox | u saved your wc3 files not ? |
| 17:55.23 | Stewox | this is quite important |
| 17:55.28 | Stewox | please |
| 17:55.40 | Nash|327 | also search effects with extend by unit radius don't work with dead units |
| 17:56.15 | JademusSreg | Wha? This is easy stuff though, Stew. Don't need them as reference. |
| 17:56.17 | Stewox | makes it usless then because the player could only enter pre-defined values ... i would need to predefine like 200 of them |
| 17:56.26 | Stewox | it is ... |
| 17:56.56 | JademusSreg | Say the trigger event is "-command" partially |
| 17:57.07 | Stewox | well im not a event-driven specialist , this is quite frankly very easy to do in c++ based scripting languages |
| 17:57.13 | Stewox | yes have that done |
| 17:58.18 | Stewox | ... yes |
| 17:58.51 | JademusSreg | In the trigger, you put chat string into a variable, parse each word into a variable, vlaidate the first word is -command, use the second word as a key to get a trigger out of a data table or as a comparison value in a condition within the function / trigger action, convert the next word to either a fixed or int. |
| 17:58.53 | JademusSreg | et cetera. |
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| 17:59.23 | JademusSreg | Putting everything into a variable isn't exactly necessary, but it's what I tend to do. |
| 18:02.08 | JademusSreg | So I could type "-command poop 300" into chat and the trigger will either execute a trigger stored in the data table at the poop key and pass the 300 value via globals, or for a more hardcoded approach will get to the if (command == "poop") and convert 300 string to an int, then spawn 300 poops on the map. |
| 18:03.27 | Nash|327 | 300 poops D: |
| 18:03.33 | Stewox | difference fixed and int ? |
| 18:03.44 | JademusSreg | There are natives for both. |
| 18:03.51 | JademusSreg | StringToInt and StringToFixed |
| 18:03.57 | JademusSreg | So there's no problem there. |
| 18:04.24 | Stewox | still don't see the difference ? |
| 18:04.38 | Stewox | between them |
| 18:04.46 | JademusSreg | I see no problem. |
| 18:04.47 | Stewox | int vs real vs fixed |
| 18:05.11 | JademusSreg | Fixed point is the sc2 implementation of real. |
| 18:05.26 | Stewox | what point ? |
| 18:05.30 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 18:05.38 | Nash|327 | fixed point? |
| 18:05.42 | Nash|327 | how odd! |
| 18:05.54 | JademusSreg | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixed-point_arithmetic |
| 18:05.57 | JademusSreg | pew pew |
| 18:06.41 | Stewox | practical difference ' |
| 18:06.46 | Nash|327 | then reals are exact values |
| 18:06.54 | Nash|327 | :G |
| 18:07.04 | Stewox | int = x.xxxxx , fixed = x.xxxxx what's the difference |
| 18:07.11 | Nash|327 | sigh |
| 18:07.12 | JademusSreg | Irrelevant to your current purposes. Just know that when I say fixed, you know I'm talking about real numbers. |
| 18:07.20 | JademusSreg | Oh wow. |
| 18:07.30 | JademusSreg | int = x |
| 18:07.33 | JademusSreg | Not x.xxx |
| 18:07.41 | JademusSreg | int is an integer. |
| 18:07.52 | Nash|327 | So floating point rounding errors are not an issue in SC2 |
| 18:07.55 | Nash|327 | :G |
| 18:08.03 | JademusSreg | Nash, they are, and they are severe. |
| 18:08.13 | Stewox | okay so i again totally mixed int and real |
| 18:08.14 | Nash|327 | but it doesn't use floating point? |
| 18:08.14 | JademusSreg | fixed has terrible decimal precision. |
| 18:08.32 | Nash|327 | fixed point rounding errors ;G |
| 18:08.36 | Stewox | int = x , real x.xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx , fixed = x.xx ? |
| 18:08.50 | Stewox | well ofcourse i need real |
| 18:08.59 | Stewox | i don't want ints , neither fixeds |
| 18:09.10 | JademusSreg | Nash, only Blizzard could tell you that. I figure it has something to do with computational overhead or different architectures coming up with different values and causing desyncs. |
| 18:09.15 | Nash|327 | I'm talking about 2*3 = 6 and such |
| 18:09.25 | JademusSreg | Since the latter is possible with floating point,. |
| 18:09.41 | JademusSreg | Stew, how is this not clear? |
| 18:09.42 | Nash|327 | with floating point there is no guarantee that 2*3 = 6 will be true |
| 18:09.54 | JademusSreg | GUI "Real" is fixed point. |
| 18:09.55 | Stewox | im not an english guy , i don't see any difference at all |
| 18:10.19 | Stewox | speaking with words , integer , real , ... doesn't make sense for me |
| 18:10.45 | Stewox | REAL NUMBER = would need a million years to figure that indicates x.xxxx values |
| 18:11.33 | Nash|327 | they probably used fixed point because programming noobs wouldn't know about floating point rounding errors |
| 18:11.45 | JademusSreg | GUI "Real" is fixed point, that is sufficient for you to understand in order to work with triggers. |
| 18:11.52 | Stewox | okay |
| 18:11.54 | JademusSreg | When I say fixed, you say Real. |
| 18:11.56 | Stewox | i need fixed then |
| 18:11.59 | Nash|327 | lrn2math |
| 18:12.01 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 18:12.03 | Stewox | but why does it have terrbile accuracty ? |
| 18:12.03 | Nash|327 | lrn2compsci |
| 18:12.13 | JademusSreg | It has terrible decimal precision. |
| 18:12.36 | Dresnia | lrn2dresnia |
| 18:12.41 | Stewox | well , where's the usefullness in this then |
| 18:12.41 | Dresnia | = winning |
| 18:12.54 | JademusSreg | Anyway, Say you have a command where you set unit life. |
| 18:13.08 | Stewox | no don't twist it |
| 18:13.12 | JademusSreg | In that case, on the command's third word, you'll use StringToFixed. |
| 18:13.19 | Stewox | use the global var example |
| 18:13.35 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 18:13.46 | Stewox | the biggest problem of mine is , i understand pretty much everything technically |
| 18:13.47 | Dresnia | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4nR49Eybb0 wow |
| 18:13.56 | Stewox | i just don't know how to put it together with UI |
| 18:14.13 | JademusSreg | You mean display a message? |
| 18:14.40 | Dresnia | Ech0__ : started a project yet ? :P |
| 18:14.49 | Dresnia | I'm the brainstorm source if needed |
| 18:16.13 | Stewox | convert string to int and this stuff i just don't know what should i do next ... kind of hard if i don't know UI stuff ... since i need step by step instructions to do something |
| 18:17.21 | Stewox | i am a trigger editor noob yeah :P |
| 18:17.42 | Stewox | plus event based stuff ... ah , totally against my experience |
| 18:20.16 | Stewox | jademus |
| 18:21.10 | Stewox | i know the practicse of it , the idea , how what and in what way , but i just fail to put this togeter in trigger editor |
| 18:21.16 | Stewox | stuck in the same place |
| 18:21.27 | Stewox | last change was "partially" |
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| 18:22.22 | JademusSreg | int player = EventPlayer; string chatstring = EventChatString(); string initiator = StringWord(chatstring,1); string command = StringWord(chatstring,2); string value = StringWord(chatstring,3); if (initiator!="-command") {return;} if (command=="unitlife") { UnitSetPropertyFixed(UnitGroupUnit(UnitGroupSelection(player,1)),c_unitPropLifeMax,StringToFixed(value)); } else if (command=="createpoop") |
| 18:22.22 | JademusSreg | { UnitCreate(StringToInt(value),"poop",0,player,CameraGetTarget(player),CameraGetYaw(player)); } |
| 18:22.47 | JademusSreg | There is an example of using both StringToInt and StringToFixed. |
| 18:22.59 | Stewox | also i don't want to put everything into a variable , i just need the value in variable, because the value would directly go into scripts |
| 18:23.50 | Stewox | can u paste the editor text instead of raw |
| 18:24.09 | JademusSreg | (Correction, EventChatMessage(false) should be in chatstring) |
| 18:24.26 | JademusSreg | Stew, I don't use GUI at all. I wrote that in irc by hand. |
| 18:24.36 | Stewox | lolz:D |
| 18:24.48 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 18:25.42 | Stewox | well thanks , i see the idea and technal stuff is all okay , just can't put that into the trigger editor |
| 18:25.46 | Dresnia | By hand he means keyboard |
| 18:25.47 | Dresnia | FYI |
| 18:26.27 | Stewox | where do i need validator ? |
| 18:26.32 | Stewox | conditions right |
| 18:26.43 | Stewox | okay ... what about the -command |
| 18:26.52 | Stewox | i putit "-command" partially |
| 18:26.59 | Stewox | and then make validator |
| 18:29.37 | Dresnia | I feel like doing something amazing next year |
| 18:29.42 | Dresnia | Anyone got a good idea ? |
| 18:30.17 | Dresnia | Some place in the world that's really a memory for life too visit or so |
| 18:31.15 | Dresnia | I've been considering to let myself get dropped in a jungle with a 'panic button gps' but that's it |
| 18:31.17 | Dresnia | and go survival man |
| 18:31.32 | Dresnia | then again I'm 250pounds and cry like a bitch after 2hours causse I miss my easy foods.. |
| 18:31.33 | Dresnia | :P |
| 18:32.41 | Dresnia | I expect JademusSreg to come up with something amazing once he's back and I should stop talking too myself now =-( |
| 18:35.48 | JademusSreg | Naw, you don't need a validator in the data editor sense. |
| 18:35.51 | Stewox | vlaidate the first word is -command, use the second word as a key to get a trigger out of a data table or as a comparison value in a condition within the function / trigger action, convert the next word to either a fixed or int |
| 18:36.06 | Stewox | this is where i stop getting what i need to do in UI |
| 18:36.11 | Stewox | trigger editor |
| 18:37.01 | Stewox | you said a validator your self |
| 18:37.07 | JademusSreg | Yup. |
| 18:37.10 | Stewox | you meant with a context of a "checking" |
| 18:37.16 | JademusSreg | Yup. |
| 18:37.17 | Stewox | so i know the talk and everything |
| 18:37.30 | Stewox | i just don't know how to enter all that |
| 18:37.33 | JademusSreg | if (initiator!="-command") {return false;} |
| 18:37.52 | JademusSreg | See? |
| 18:37.54 | Stewox | condition ? |
| 18:38.02 | Stewox | okay |
| 18:38.08 | Stewox | need one for false and one for true too ? |
| 18:38.11 | JademusSreg | If you want, sure. That's a good use of the otherwise wasted lines. |
| 18:38.17 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
| 18:38.41 | Stewox | don't need true |
| 18:38.52 | JademusSreg | Just make the condition check the first word of the chat string. |
| 18:38.59 | Dresnia | if %var != %var then do X, if %var == %var then do Y |
| 18:38.59 | Stewox | it will automatically go throught if it's not false |
| 18:39.27 | Stewox | initator ... what's that |
| 18:39.36 | JademusSreg | It's what I named the variabled. |
| 18:40.13 | JademusSreg | "-command" initializes the command, so to speak. |
| 18:40.14 | Stewox | i thought that vas to validate the string starts with -command before the value gets registered for it |
| 18:40.18 | JademusSreg | Yup. |
| 18:40.37 | Stewox | but i don't need a variable for command , i only need for the value |
| 18:40.41 | JademusSreg | Only you don't need to do it like that in GUI, that's just how I would do it in galaxy. |
| 18:40.47 | JademusSreg | Right. |
| 18:41.15 | Stewox | okay so to make this work i need more variables i opriginally thought for ? |
| 18:41.55 | Stewox | doesn't matter , i won't use it for anything , it can sit in the bacground ofcorse that's not an issue i just want to have facts clear what's important and what's secondary |
| 18:43.10 | JademusSreg | What's important is that you use the second word of the chatstring to figure out which command you have, and the third word to get the value for the command. |
| 18:43.20 | JademusSreg | What's secondary is the means. |
| 18:43.31 | JademusSreg | What's tertiary is what things are named. =) |
| 18:45.39 | Stewox | we're definitely not on the same page with english , i was talking about things as necessary to do and less necessary ... etc |
| 18:45.49 | Stewox | anyways i made this |
| 18:49.29 | Stewox | sec |
| 18:49.50 | Stewox | http://www.shrani.si/f/D/1Z/4U2DcYT9/sc2commandtrig.jpg |
| 18:51.29 | JademusSreg | The condition doesn't make any sense. |
| 18:52.03 | JademusSreg | Is command_cmd constant? |
| 18:52.30 | JademusSreg | What is its value? |
| 18:53.37 | Stewox | it's a string |
| 18:53.39 | Stewox | as you said |
| 18:53.50 | JademusSreg | What's value? |
| 18:54.13 | Stewox | only look stuff what's inside TempSystem folder |
| 18:54.24 | JademusSreg | Is it variable or constant? |
| 18:54.25 | Stewox | it's "-command" exactly as you said , what else |
| 18:54.28 | Stewox | variable |
| 18:54.29 | JademusSreg | Alright. |
| 18:54.34 | Stewox | constant i guess ? |
| 18:54.40 | Stewox | for string |
| 18:54.42 | Stewox | not |
| 18:54.44 | JademusSreg | So you're comparing "-command" to "-command"? |
| 18:54.45 | Dresnia | Jade how 'hard' is it to make a 'youtube' trailer for showing off some stuff we made |
| 18:54.59 | Stewox | you said that |
| 18:55.02 | Stewox | ofcourse hten |
| 18:55.04 | Stewox | then |
| 18:55.30 | JademusSreg | Dres, not hard at all. The only challenging part is finding the correct encoding if you don't have any experience in video shit. |
| 18:55.57 | JademusSreg | Naw, Stew, I meant you need to compare the first word of the chatstring to command_cmd. |
| 18:56.09 | Stewox | yes |
| 18:56.14 | Stewox | that's -command |
| 18:56.29 | Stewox | i will replace that with my custom command after i complete this template |
| 18:56.29 | JademusSreg | Like if (StringWord(chatstring,1) == command_cmd) |
| 18:56.32 | Stewox | i have many more to do |
| 18:56.46 | Stewox | command_cmd is the name |
| 18:56.48 | Stewox | not value |
| 18:57.09 | JademusSreg | The value is "-command", riiight? |
| 18:57.35 | Stewox | yes |
| 18:57.42 | Stewox | well . i might take a second look .. hmm |
| 18:58.22 | JademusSreg | Do you see why I compare the first word of the chatstring to the string rather than comparing the same string values? |
| 18:58.45 | JademusSreg | Comparing the same values is as useful as saying (true==true) |
| 18:58.53 | Stewox | yes... |
| 18:58.58 | JademusSreg | Which is to say it isn't. |
| 18:59.04 | Stewox | i don't know how to do the link with the event |
| 18:59.44 | Stewox | idk what you meant with initator |
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| 19:00.18 | Stewox | because we're doing this for checking if the statement contains -coomand before a value |
| 19:00.30 | UloseTheGame | yo jade, how's progress? |
| 19:00.32 | Stewox | but it looks like you're telling me something what comes after .... 3 steps after that |
| 19:00.38 | JademusSreg | Oh my goodness. I fear I shall need to write a tutorial and call it The Practical Lexicon. |
| 19:01.01 | Stewox | when we check if a variable is the correct value or what |
| 19:01.11 | JademusSreg | Ulose, pretty good, although custom foliage seems to crash the editor. |
| 19:01.16 | Stewox | i didn't even done the first step |
| 19:01.19 | UloseTheGame | D: nuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu |
| 19:01.20 | JademusSreg | Or at least my custom foliage did. |
| 19:01.21 | UloseTheGame | lol |
| 19:01.22 | Stewox | so that's where i stuck |
| 19:01.34 | UloseTheGame | maybe it can't handle the jade? |
| 19:02.24 | UloseTheGame | it's not worthy of you :D |
| 19:02.51 | UloseTheGame | progress on the data end is good too |
| 19:03.00 | JademusSreg | Stew, I just don't do step by step. I advise people in a way that presupposes this basic stuff, and don't go into much detail because I expect people to be know enough to fill in ambiguous spots. So this will take some time Stew. |
| 19:03.11 | UloseTheGame | get this, when a nazgul dies, a ringwraith pops out of the corpse and runs after the killer :D |
| 19:03.47 | UloseTheGame | ^_^ |
| 19:04.26 | JademusSreg | Give me a specific question, and I will answer. =D |
| 19:06.39 | UloseTheGame | okay jade |
| 19:06.47 | UloseTheGame | what is the meaning of life for flies? |
| 19:06.50 | UloseTheGame | ^_^ |
| 19:07.08 | Dresnia | Easy. |
| 19:07.15 | Dresnia | Spread biological shit. |
| 19:07.27 | Dresnia | Eat poop. |
| 19:07.27 | UloseTheGame | :D yay for biological shit |
| 19:07.31 | Dresnia | Annoy me behind my desktop. |
| 19:07.33 | UloseTheGame | and eating poop |
| 19:07.39 | Dresnia | And eventually die in a corner. |
| 19:07.42 | Dresnia | Slowly, crawling. |
| 19:07.58 | Dresnia | A more interesting question, what's the meaning of a human life ? |
| 19:08.28 | Dresnia | Destroy our plant ? Mindfuck ourselfs beeing free by doin : Education, Marriage, Kids, Job, Car, House ? |
| 19:08.41 | Nash|327 | nothing |
| 19:08.44 | Nash|327 | nothing at all |
| 19:09.03 | Nash|327 | a meaning implies there is so plan, and thus a creator |
| 19:09.34 | Nash|327 | rather than a series of random biological events |
| 19:09.45 | JademusSreg | Meaning in what capacity? Words have meaning inasfar as they correspond to a concept intended to be conveyed by their expression. Tools have meaning in the sense that people regard purpose as meaningful. Our actions have meaning only to the extent that we invest meaning in them, a sort of economic confidence of existentialism, and are in turn vulnerable to the vagaries of outrageous fortune. |
| 19:09.49 | Dresnia | My plan is too enjoy every day like it's my last |
| 19:10.31 | JademusSreg | So the lives of flies are certainly meaningful to -us- in their capacity as tools of science. |
| 19:10.32 | Nash|327 | that's a platitude |
| 19:10.49 | Nash|327 | to live like that would be irresponsible and self-destructive |
| 19:10.56 | Nash|327 | and nobody actually does it |
| 19:11.13 | JademusSreg | But the universe is, itself, devoid of intrinsic meaning, since meaning is something we fabricate. |
| 19:11.20 | Dresnia | Oh believe me, we do it. |
| 19:11.50 | Dresnia | I always live my days like a god really, I rarely do anything against my will |
| 19:12.08 | Dresnia | Ofcourse due some 'must' in life you are forced to do stuff like work or so |
| 19:12.23 | Nash|327 | which you wouldn't do if it was your last day |
| 19:12.24 | Dresnia | But I can easely skip stuff too causse I dislike it at that given time |
| 19:12.35 | Dresnia | Well, that depends. |
| 19:12.43 | Nash|327 | nor would you save money |
| 19:12.48 | Dresnia | Some people enjoy working, some people enjoy having alot of money |
| 19:12.48 | Nash|327 | try to lose weight |
| 19:13.05 | Nash|327 | or anything that has a payout in the future |
| 19:13.09 | Dresnia | Yeah ofcourse, that's the 'must' part in life |
| 19:13.12 | Nash|327 | and not the immediate present |
| 19:13.20 | Nash|327 | thus nobody lives like it's their last day |
| 19:13.24 | Nash|327 | because it would be stupid |
| 19:13.26 | Nash|327 | QED |
| 19:14.08 | Nash|327 | I dislike platitudes |
| 19:14.15 | Nash|327 | Especially illogical ones. |
| 19:15.50 | Dresnia | Why did I only just now realise the epicness of Grooveshark :o |
| 19:16.02 | Dresnia | And the fact my stereo can boost my headset even more |
| 19:16.30 | Dresnia | I think I got around 110-125 decibels now without losing quality |
| 19:16.39 | Dresnia | Ofcourse this is bad for my ears =/ |
| 19:47.37 | JademusSreg | So HotS. Seems the game will open with Nova and an elite Dominion squad raiding the Hyperion, Kerrigan kicks some ass, escapes, and sets about gathering novel genetic material on whatever world she touches down on. Sounds like a good start for an RTSRPG |
| 19:48.57 | Stewox | im bac |
| 19:49.45 | Stewox | just this one thing jademus , linking the with the entered text |
| 19:50.48 | JademusSreg | That's not a question. =) |
| 19:51.32 | Stewox | condition comparrison: chatstring != "-command" |
| 19:51.42 | JademusSreg | Naw. |
| 19:51.51 | Mexa | hihoo |
| 19:51.57 | JademusSreg | StringWord(chatstring,1) == "-command" |
| 19:52.09 | JademusSreg | hi Mexa. |
| 19:52.36 | Stewox | aa found it in the editor now |
| 19:53.19 | Stewox | u said != before ... return false ... but okay ... this is right , need to check for command first |
| 19:53.35 | JademusSreg | Naw, you just misread. =D |
| 19:53.46 | JademusSreg | Which is easy to do if you don't know the language. |
| 19:53.51 | JademusSreg | No worries. |
| 19:53.56 | Stewox | ok |
| 19:54.09 | Stewox | what about difference in Entered vs Matched ? |
| 19:54.19 | JademusSreg | You want entered. |
| 19:54.49 | Stewox | ok |
| 19:54.50 | JademusSreg | Matched will return the string that matches the event. In this case, it would return "-command" which is worthless. |
| 19:54.56 | JademusSreg | Because you want the whole string. |
| 19:55.03 | JademusSreg | Including the stuff after -command |
| 19:55.06 | Stewox | aaaaha |
| 19:55.34 | Stewox | great progress |
| 19:55.37 | Stewox | what's next |
| 19:55.53 | Stewox | 19:58]<JademusSreg>In the trigger, you put chat string into a variable, parse each word into a variable, vlaidate the first word is -command, use the second word as a key to get a trigger out of a data table or as a comparison value in a condition within the function / trigger action, convert the next word to either a fixed or int. |
| 19:55.55 | Stewox | [19:58]<JademusSreg>et cetera. |
| 19:55.57 | Stewox | [19:59]-->|SeaGnome (~SeaGnome@c-67-170-208-64.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #sc2mapster |
| 19:55.59 | Stewox | [19:59]<JademusSreg>Putting everything into a variable isn't exactly necessary, but it's what I tend to do. |
| 19:56.01 | Stewox | [20:02]<JademusSreg>So I could type "-command poop 300" into chat and the trigger will either execute a trigger stored in the data table at the poop key and pass the 300 value via globals, or for a more hardcoded approach will get to the if (command == "poop") and convert 300 string to an int, then spawn 300 poops on the map. |
| 19:56.25 | Stewox | converting |
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| 19:57.02 | tordy | test |
| 19:57.16 | JademusSreg | You can work with the command either by if else blocks in the trigger, or you can do something a bit more complicated and more easily extendible. |
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| 19:57.28 | tordy | wassup guys how ya been what did i miss etc |
| 19:57.33 | JademusSreg | Stuff. |
| 19:58.08 | Stewox | i choose the latter , |
| 19:58.20 | Stewox | i can't find convert to int |
| 19:58.23 | Stewox | or real |
| 19:58.32 | tordy | what happened to jmanv |
| 19:58.34 | JademusSreg | Data tables, trigger execute, and globals. |
| 19:58.38 | JademusSreg | Jman poofed. |
| 19:58.41 | tordy | :[ |
| 19:58.49 | tordy | so he disappeared like otixa? |
| 19:59.05 | Stewox | JManV ? |
| 19:59.14 | Stewox | ~seen jmanv |
| 19:59.21 | purl | jmanv <63594a96@gateway/web/freenode/ip.99.89.74.150> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 18d 23h 27m 42s ago, saying: 'hats are imba'. |
| 19:59.21 | tordy | oh man he doesnt even know |
| 19:59.21 | tordy | :O |
| 19:59.37 | tordy | :( |
| 19:59.39 | Stewox | ~seen otixa |
| 19:59.40 | purl | otixa <~Otixa@87-126-143-97.btc-net.bg> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 157d 2h 9m 20s ago, saying: 'http://www.livestream.com/modcraft'. |
| 19:59.44 | tordy | XD |
| 19:59.53 | tordy | half a year |
| 19:59.57 | tordy | oh man it's been too long |
| 20:00.07 | Stewox | why did such great guys left |
| 20:00.15 | tordy | without even telling us why |
| 20:00.15 | Stewox | they'll be back ofcourse |
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| 20:00.35 | tordy | so anything big in mapping |
| 20:00.37 | tordy | while i was gone |
| 20:00.42 | tordy | banks still unsecure? |
| 20:00.43 | tordy | insecure |
| 20:00.47 | JademusSreg | On init, you'll create triggers without events and store them in data tables using the chat command as the key. From the trigger that handles the chat string, you'll retrieve the trigger from the data table using the command word, set the value word into a global, execute trigger, and from the trigger you do the rest, like convert the value word to int or fixed, and so forth. |
| 20:00.59 | JademusSreg | Dunno, tordy. I don't use banks. |
| 20:01.10 | Stewox | well a lot of people went since beta, and i wasn't present after september much , but came back at 1.3 patch |
| 20:01.22 | tordy | anyone have a laptop w/ an hd3000 ? |
| 20:01.28 | Stewox | 1.2 patch * |
| 20:02.30 | JademusSreg | I was here during beta, but the channel was a bucket of assholes, so I left. =D |
| 20:03.08 | tordy | i was somewhere else |
| 20:03.25 | tordy | although i did make my first map a week after beta's map editor came out |
| 20:03.40 | tordy | the map editor has been out for 14 months w0w |
| 20:05.19 | Stewox | so i need to write another trigger jademus |
| 20:05.39 | Stewox | preferably i leave everything in the folder structure just call up even Map init ? |
| 20:05.56 | tordy | what ar you doin |
| 20:06.23 | JademusSreg | Does not compute. |
| 20:06.43 | Stewox | what does not compute ? |
| 20:06.54 | JademusSreg | If you want to use the data table approach, you store triggers in a data table. I don't know if GUI permits this. |
| 20:07.14 | Stewox | oh |
| 20:07.16 | Stewox | well |
| 20:07.27 | Stewox | that's not a problem ... i just need to .. actually get there |
| 20:07.34 | Stewox | im making a trigger init now |
| 20:07.36 | Stewox | another one |
| 20:07.54 | JademusSreg | I don't even know what you're doing. =) |
| 20:08.01 | Stewox | i can make the rest before i come to the part you're saying |
| 20:08.11 | Stewox | making a trigger with map init as event |
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| 20:23.22 | A1win | umm... trying to make a text variable of a player's name and with that player's color, any ideas? |
| 20:23.53 | grenegg | both names and colors can be converted... |
| 20:23.58 | grenegg | whats the question? |
| 20:24.23 | A1win | how to change the color |
| 20:24.38 | JademusSreg | TextWithColor() |
| 20:24.45 | JademusSreg | Takes a source text and a color. |
| 20:24.48 | JademusSreg | Returns text. |
| 20:24.52 | A1win | oh |
| 20:25.06 | A1win | why didn't I see that :P |
| 20:25.14 | A1win | I even tried to look! |
| 20:25.14 | JademusSreg | Dunno. |
| 20:25.19 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 20:25.35 | A1win | with "color" as search word... but I guess I didn't search the Text function list |
| 20:27.40 | A1win | the dark blue color is almost the same as my dialog's background <.< |
| 20:28.07 | Stewox | jademus ... stil waiting :p |
| 20:28.16 | Stewox | making a trigger with map init as event --> |
| 20:28.25 | Stewox | need another screenshot ? |
| 20:28.37 | JademusSreg | Sure. I didn't realize you had a question. |
| 20:29.02 | JademusSreg | A1, use a contrast behind the player names. =) |
| 20:30.12 | A1win | the colors look quite ugly though, makes the list look confusing |
| 20:30.30 | A1win | probably better to just use white for all, maybe add a little square to indicate the color |
| 20:30.59 | JademusSreg | Aw shucks. |
| 20:31.08 | JademusSreg | Don't give up! |
| 20:31.25 | A1win | actually it's not even important to know their colors :P |
| 20:31.26 | JademusSreg | Just put a black area behind the names for contrast. |
| 20:31.42 | A1win | it is almost black |
| 20:31.49 | A1win | the dark blue is just too dark |
| 20:32.06 | A1win | the contrast differs quite a lot between the colors |
| 20:32.09 | A1win | pink is very light |
| 20:32.53 | A1win | much cleaner without the colors =p |
| 20:34.06 | JademusSreg | Heh. |
| 20:34.33 | Mexa | Hi, did I miss anything? |
| 20:35.19 | JademusSreg | Hi, not that I know. |
| 20:36.04 | Mexa | okedoke |
| 20:38.04 | A1win | got most of the map working now... it's just not very interesting yet :P |
| 20:38.14 | A1win | needs more features |
| 20:41.05 | A1win | was thinking of placing some "supply crates" around the map that the hiders can collect to get a single use force field ability, and they can carry only one at a time so they can't just farm all the crates while hiding |
| 20:41.37 | A1win | now there already are creep eggs that start spreading creep if killed... useful for the seekers who are hydralisks to get some speed towards the end of the game |
| 20:43.35 | A1win | we had a 5 player test and it was rather fun at times, but just lacks depth |
| 20:52.33 | JademusSreg | It crashes when I generate foliage. =\ |
| 20:52.36 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 20:53.52 | A1win | damn, force field and hold fire have the same hotkey by default |
| 20:56.26 | Sixen | they do? is forcefield not F? |
| 20:56.31 | Sixen | hold position is h |
| 20:56.37 | A1win | hold fire ;x |
| 20:56.44 | A1win | the one ghosts have |
| 20:56.56 | A1win | giving them to the same unit :P |
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| 20:58.01 | A1win | humm... what defines force field duration D: |
| 20:58.32 | A1win | nvm |
| 20:59.20 | A1win | the behavior was named ForceField Timed Life without a space so my search didn't find it :X |
| 20:59.30 | A1win | err |
| 20:59.33 | A1win | ForceField Fate |
| 21:01.05 | A1win | are any of the item models available in melee mod? |
| 21:01.13 | A1win | *multiplayer mod |
| 21:03.15 | A1win | doesn't seem so... |
| 21:05.17 | Ashamed-home | sup |
| 21:05.27 | Ech0__ | hello |
| 21:06.54 | Mexa | hello |
| 21:07.57 | A1win | is there a more elegant way of creating an item pickup system than periodically checking for items around the units that can pick them up? |
| 21:08.11 | Stewox | jademus |
| 21:08.14 | Stewox | here ? |
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| 21:09.16 | Ashamed-home | almost have a camera working on a 0.05 unit lol |
| 21:10.24 | Mexa | gotta say this song is pretty great for being sega megadrive/32x http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4DAuOzMeTE |
| 21:11.17 | Ech0__ | A1win: seems inefficent |
| 21:11.30 | A1win | Ech0__, that's why I asked ;p |
| 21:11.38 | Ech0__ | yes polling is very inefficent |
| 21:11.48 | Ech0__ | forgive me, im unfamilar with the galaxy native api |
| 21:12.16 | Ech0__ | can you not create an event that waits on units that are right clicked? |
| 21:12.33 | Ech0__ | and then check if the approuching unit is close enough for a pick up? |
| 21:12.43 | Mexa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MrP51YTWak and this on sega megadrive :D |
| 21:12.46 | A1win | then you'd need to stand next to the item when you click it |
| 21:13.07 | Ech0__ | well, the right click will still go through |
| 21:13.16 | Ech0__ | causing the approuching unit to go "towards" the item |
| 21:13.27 | Ech0__ | once in range, the item will be picked up |
| 21:13.48 | A1win | how? |
| 21:13.52 | Ech0__ | if i had better knowledge of the native api, then i could help you more |
| 21:14.02 | Ech0__ | are there no range checking api? |
| 21:14.16 | A1win | of course ;p |
| 21:14.24 | Ech0__ | you should be able to use that |
| 21:14.29 | A1win | but how do I know when to check the range unless polling it |
| 21:14.40 | A1win | *without polling |
| 21:14.42 | Ech0__ | per right click on unit that is an item |
| 21:14.53 | A1win | but you can right click when you're not in range |
| 21:15.00 | A1win | and then it won't pick it up once you get there |
| 21:15.19 | Ech0__ | hmmm i think i am misunderstanding what kind of item system you want |
| 21:15.21 | A1win | checking when the unit is in range is the problem |
| 21:15.28 | Ech0__ | i assumed the one where you pick up items that you are next to |
| 21:16.03 | A1win | without clicking them? |
| 21:16.11 | Ech0__ | oh, without clicking |
| 21:16.12 | Ech0__ | i see |
| 21:16.18 | A1win | I didn't say that :P |
| 21:16.19 | Stewox | jademussreg |
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| 21:16.20 | Stewox | here * |
| 21:16.22 | Stewox | ? |
| 21:16.30 | A1win | err |
| 21:16.31 | Ech0__ | without click is more difficult |
| 21:16.37 | Ech0__ | without clicking* |
| 21:16.39 | A1win | what's the difference? |
| 21:16.50 | Ech0__ | well without clicking is like an auto pick up |
| 21:16.56 | Ech0__ | as in, you walk over items and they get picked up |
| 21:16.59 | A1win | I still need to know when the unit is next to the item |
| 21:17.07 | Ech0__ | yes that's what the range check api is there for |
| 21:17.21 | A1win | that's not an event |
| 21:17.22 | Ech0__ | there for that* |
| 21:17.28 | A1win | it needs to be called at the right time |
| 21:17.35 | Ech0__ | yes, i already mentioned the event i believe |
| 21:17.38 | Ech0__ | this is how i would do it |
| 21:17.54 | Ech0__ | event: right click occurs condition:unit clicked is classifed as an " |
| 21:17.56 | Ech0__ | item" |
| 21:18.02 | Ech0__ | then do some range checks |
| 21:18.12 | A1win | and if it's not in range? |
| 21:18.17 | Ech0__ | dont pick it up |
| 21:18.18 | JademusSreg | I'm busy. |
| 21:18.22 | Ech0__ | :) |
| 21:18.29 | JademusSreg | afk |
| 21:18.31 | A1win | then it won't get picked up when the unit gets next to the item ;p |
| 21:18.47 | Ech0__ | hm? as long as you right click that event will be triggered |
| 21:18.55 | A1win | unit is far away, right click, don't pick up, unit walks next to the item, doesn't pick it up |
| 21:19.05 | A1win | yeah, if you right click *again* |
| 21:19.14 | Ech0__ | ah |
| 21:19.18 | Ech0__ | that's just a minor issue |
| 21:19.28 | Stewox | now ? |
| 21:19.29 | Ech0__ | you can do this |
| 21:19.32 | Stewox | when back |
| 21:19.40 | Ech0__ | create a record of that unit clicking on the item |
| 21:19.49 | Ech0__ | make an event that waits on the unit to stop moving |
| 21:19.53 | Ech0__ | check that record |
| 21:20.25 | Ech0__ | unless i am misunderstanding something, which is likely |
| 21:20.45 | Ech0__ | you must understand that i just joined this channel for the first time, only a few hours ago |
| 21:20.49 | A1win | what if it just walks by without stopping :P |
| 21:20.53 | A1win | hehe |
| 21:21.12 | Ech0__ | he cant walk by |
| 21:21.15 | Ech0__ | he right clicked the item |
| 21:21.23 | A1win | orders can be queued D: |
| 21:21.53 | Ech0__ | what's your point? |
| 21:22.00 | Ech0__ | it still should trigger the stop |
| 21:22.06 | Ech0__ | allowing you to do a record check |
| 21:22.12 | A1win | don't think it would |
| 21:22.27 | A1win | I think there's just a "unit becomes idle" event |
| 21:22.50 | Ech0__ | yes, i dont really know any of the events, i just started getting into this today |
| 21:22.59 | Mexa | Hey Nash|327? |
| 21:23.58 | Ech0__ | yeah, im trying to think of another solution |
| 21:24.09 | Ech0__ | but me not knowing the native api is really preventing that |
| 21:24.17 | Ech0__ | i need to read some docs first |
| 21:24.41 | A1win | data editor might provide some solutions... |
| 21:24.56 | Ech0__ | heh, then you're asking the wrong person |
| 21:25.08 | Ech0__ | i know nothing of that (i am only a programmer), but i hope to learn |
| 21:25.10 | A1win | maybe some kind of an item pick up dummy ability that is activated by smart clicking the item unit |
| 21:25.23 | Ech0__ | yes, that would be far more seamless |
| 21:25.32 | A1win | but no idea if it can be done :P |
| 21:25.40 | Stewox | A1win |
| 21:25.42 | Stewox | do you know |
| 21:26.00 | Stewox | what means "cannot be clicked" "cannot be highlighted" default on every unit |
| 21:26.06 | Stewox | if that makes no sense to be enabled |
| 21:26.09 | Stewox | im confused |
| 21:26.11 | A1win | they create trigger events |
| 21:26.33 | Stewox | cannot be clicked ... that would indicate not clickkable in game |
| 21:26.40 | Stewox | it's weird context they're having this |
| 21:26.51 | Dresnia | I'm so boooored :-( |
| 21:27.21 | Dresnia | Off to bed I guess |
| 21:27.23 | Dresnia | cya guys =-) |
| 21:27.24 | Stewox | what would "no tooltip" mean |
| 21:27.26 | Mexa | seeya |
| 21:27.29 | Stewox | on a unit |
| 21:27.34 | Stewox | ghost for example |
| 21:27.54 | A1win | some units have tooltips like destructible rocks |
| 21:28.13 | A1win | which is why it's disabled on most units |
| 21:29.55 | Stewox | ah |
| 21:29.56 | Stewox | ok |
| 21:30.05 | Stewox | what about "minimap radius" |
| 21:30.07 | Stewox | in data |
| 21:30.13 | Stewox | it doesn't make difference |
| 21:30.24 | Stewox | the dot is still the same |
| 21:30.40 | Stewox | size of the unit on minimap |
| 21:30.53 | Stewox | i tried 0.175 and 0.075 |
| 21:31.05 | Stewox | from default 0.375 |
| 21:31.19 | A1win | mmh |
| 21:31.26 | A1win | I set it to 0 for a unit and it disappeared |
| 21:31.29 | A1win | try higher values? |
| 21:31.33 | A1win | like 1 or 2 |
| 21:31.48 | Stewox | no , i want smaller than 0.375 ... that's the goal |
| 21:31.54 | A1win | oh |
| 21:31.56 | Stewox | maybe it works only ingame |
| 21:31.58 | A1win | maybe there's a minimum size |
| 21:32.03 | A1win | ...and that too |
| 21:32.06 | Stewox | dots are too large for units in sc2 |
| 21:32.19 | Stewox | it should have been more ... detailt |
| 21:32.41 | Stewox | minmium i 0 |
| 21:32.43 | Stewox | :p |
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| 21:45.30 | Nash|327 | woots |
| 21:45.34 | Mexa | Note to self: Do never ever paste code in the size of 1500 lines directly into the trigger editor script. |
| 21:45.39 | Nash|327 | another hero done |
| 21:45.54 | Mexa | Hey Nash? |
| 21:45.54 | Ech0__ | nice. |
| 21:46.09 | Nash|327 | IT R A MEXAFACES |
| 21:46.19 | Mexa | Nash http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vw4KVoEVcr0&feature=aso |
| 21:46.21 | Ech0__ | Nash|327: can you suggest a object oriented interface to galaxy code? |
| 21:46.21 | Mexa | :3 |
| 21:46.56 | Stewox | jademussreg |
| 21:46.57 | Nash|327 | wha? |
| 21:47.04 | Stewox | ... im running out of time |
| 21:47.21 | Ech0__ | nevermind Nash|327 |
| 21:47.26 | Ech0__ | i found Andromeda |
| 21:47.34 | Ech0__ | looks to be what i want |
| 21:47.35 | Stewox | i would be so glad to fnish up the string parser please |
| 21:47.40 | Mexa | Andromeda is not up to date |
| 21:47.53 | Mexa | I would not recommend it in it's current state |
| 21:47.56 | Ech0__ | that's diappointing |
| 21:48.00 | Ech0__ | disappointing* |
| 21:48.08 | Ech0__ | anything you would recommend then? |
| 21:48.24 | Mexa | There's none yet reliable at the moment. |
| 21:48.35 | Mexa | Perhaps SBeiers |
| 21:49.07 | Mexa | It should be on the forums, but I think it needs some more tweaking before I will reply on it:p |
| 21:49.22 | Ech0__ | isnt that just an editor? |
| 21:49.25 | Ech0__ | not a compiler? |
| 21:49.52 | Mexa | It do includes some features, tho yeah it might not be OOP just yet |
| 21:49.59 | Mexa | but it got influences of C# |
| 21:50.05 | Ech0__ | ew |
| 21:50.15 | Mexa | Meh |
| 21:50.29 | Ech0__ | sorry, im an old school C programmer :P |
| 21:50.38 | Mexa | And Andromeda is a combination of Java and C# so, well. |
| 21:50.41 | Ech0__ | i've seen the awful bytecode generated by the C# "compiler" |
| 21:50.42 | Mexa | Take your bite |
| 21:51.02 | Ech0__ | two languages i dont really like :S |
| 21:51.10 | Mexa | C, seriously? |
| 21:51.19 | Ech0__ | hm? yes, it's my favorite language :) |
| 21:51.23 | Mexa | C++ preferrably in that case :O |
| 21:51.24 | Ech0__ | i know many others |
| 21:51.30 | Mexa | C isn't OOP :/ |
| 21:51.31 | Ech0__ | yes, C++ is useful in some projects |
| 21:51.34 | Ech0__ | indeed |
| 21:51.59 | Ech0__ | it can be done thought (i've made C into an OOP language) |
| 21:52.03 | Ech0__ | though* |
| 21:52.17 | Stewox | jademussreg |
| 21:52.23 | Stewox | the layout doesn't work |
| 21:52.24 | Mexa | The advantage of C# is that you can use it and XNA to develop crossplatform at windows and xbox360 |
| 21:52.25 | Ech0__ | aside from C, I enjoy C++ and x86 assembly |
| 21:52.42 | Mexa | And take Unity3D, you will be able to develop C# and compile it to any platform |
| 21:52.46 | Ech0__ | you can do that with C Mexa :S |
| 21:52.47 | Mexa | With no hazzle. |
| 21:52.49 | Ech0__ | in fact, it's built in |
| 21:52.50 | Mexa | Yes |
| 21:52.56 | Mexa | Well |
| 21:53.01 | Ech0__ | since the compiler will generate the subset based x86 code |
| 21:53.06 | Ech0__ | that the 360 uses |
| 21:53.12 | Mexa | C/C++ does not compile to Windows/Linux/Mac automatically. |
| 21:53.23 | Ech0__ | hrm? |
| 21:53.27 | Mexa | You need a bunch of configurations, and I hate that |
| 21:53.39 | Mexa | If I develop in, say visual studio |
| 21:53.47 | Ech0__ | c generates x86 byte code, remember |
| 21:53.56 | Ech0__ | so any x86 processer will run it, regardless of os |
| 21:53.58 | Mexa | Bytecode? |
| 21:54.01 | Ech0__ | yes |
| 21:54.03 | Mexa | It's binary I though... |
| 21:54.05 | Mexa | *thought |
| 21:54.19 | Ech0__ | yes, a binary is a collection of byte code |
| 21:54.28 | Ech0__ | the bytecode is then executed by the processor |
| 21:54.51 | Mexa | So.. you are saying that C generates bytecode which is then interpreted? |
| 21:54.57 | Mexa | Or compiled upon runtime? |
| 21:55.01 | Ech0__ | no no |
| 21:55.06 | Mexa | Good |
| 21:55.07 | Mexa | lol |
| 21:55.12 | Ech0__ | only polymorphic apps are compiled at runtime |
| 21:55.24 | Ech0__ | the advantage with C, is that the bytecode is directly run by the processor! |
| 21:55.31 | Ech0__ | doesnt get any faster than that |
| 21:55.36 | Mexa | hrmph |
| 21:55.44 | Ech0__ | the C# bytecode is run through what's called a virtual machine |
| 21:55.58 | Mexa | It's ran through their JIT compiler, yes |
| 21:56.05 | Ech0__ | C goes through a compiler, which generates assembly code, which goes through an assembler, which generates the bytecode for the processor and is composed in a binary |
| 21:56.09 | Mexa | and the .net environment |
| 21:56.18 | Mexa | I know I know |
| 21:56.22 | Mexa | It gets more lowlevel |
| 21:56.23 | Ech0__ | yes, this is sadly the truth Mexa |
| 21:56.27 | Mexa | sadly? |
| 21:56.42 | Ech0__ | yes, interpretted langauges are evil :S |
| 21:56.51 | Mexa | Depends on their optimization |
| 21:57.06 | Ech0__ | they are, by default, flawed |
| 21:57.20 | Ech0__ | unless we use quantum computing |
| 21:57.34 | Mexa | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Overview_of_the_Common_Language_Infrastructure.svg |
| 21:57.35 | Ech0__ | where we can represent bytes with positions |
| 21:57.45 | Mexa | So, where's the interpretation on runtime? |
| 21:58.16 | Ech0__ | from CIL to bytecode |
| 21:58.40 | Mexa | It compiles to machine code |
| 21:58.46 | Mexa | In the end |
| 21:58.57 | Ech0__ | well it has to |
| 21:59.05 | Ech0__ | but remember this is all run through the .net framework |
| 21:59.14 | Ech0__ | Mexa: it seems you are interested in windows internals |
| 21:59.17 | Mexa | no |
| 21:59.22 | Ech0__ | =( |
| 21:59.23 | Mexa | or |
| 21:59.26 | Mexa | what? |
| 21:59.41 | Ech0__ | the things you're talking about require some knowledge of windows internals |
| 21:59.47 | Mexa | Well |
| 21:59.49 | Ech0__ | my explainations leave many things out |
| 21:59.52 | Ech0__ | like kernel mode jumps |
| 21:59.57 | Ech0__ | and thread queuing |
| 22:00.01 | Ech0__ | and fiber jobs |
| 22:00.04 | Mexa | That's alright, you don't need to go there |
| 22:00.15 | Mexa | :> |
| 22:00.17 | Ech0__ | haha, sorry i get carried away a bit |
| 22:00.22 | Ech0__ | i love that stuff, if you cant tell |
| 22:00.38 | Ech0__ | i have several write ups on it, if you ever care to look |
| 22:00.44 | Mexa | I have some decent knowledge about interpretators and compilers. since we have that as a course right now. |
| 22:00.53 | Mexa | Or well Imo I know it decent. |
| 22:00.55 | Ech0__ | ah, CS, i remember the days |
| 22:01.06 | A1win | whee I managed to create that item pickup dummy ability O: |
| 22:01.12 | Mexa | So we are making our own interpretator |
| 22:01.12 | Ech0__ | nice A1win |
| 22:01.18 | Ech0__ | cool Mexa |
| 22:01.24 | Ech0__ | it's important to learn about that stuff |
| 22:01.33 | Mexa | Well, I guess |
| 22:01.41 | Mexa | Or yeah |
| 22:01.47 | Mexa | ofcourse |
| 22:01.47 | Mexa | ^¨ |
| 22:01.53 | Ech0__ | i myself am very focused on operating internals, and graphics development |
| 22:02.06 | Mexa | graphics development as in 3dprogramming? |
| 22:02.17 | Ech0__ | yeah, im big into cutting edge stuff |
| 22:02.22 | Mexa | cool |
| 22:02.26 | Ech0__ | like procedural generation of meshes of infinite detail |
| 22:02.26 | Mexa | We do that as well |
| 22:02.33 | Mexa | okay, maybe not that |
| 22:02.40 | Ech0__ | im working a write up of that soon |
| 22:02.47 | Mexa | But sounds interesting |
| 22:02.52 | Ech0__ | generation of primatives on the GPU using tessellation |
| 22:02.56 | Ech0__ | allowing for infinite detail |
| 22:02.59 | Mexa | Have you seen overgrowth per chance? |
| 22:03.03 | Ech0__ | nope |
| 22:03.10 | Mexa | alright |
| 22:03.14 | Ech0__ | but i'd like to hear about it :< |
| 22:03.25 | Nash|327 | spawn more kittunlords |
| 22:03.26 | Mexa | Well, it's a game developed by a small indie studio |
| 22:03.34 | Ech0__ | im interested in just about anything that has to do with programming |
| 22:03.41 | Mexa | And the programmer there has some great skills |
| 22:03.46 | Mexa | As he made the entire engine |
| 22:03.53 | Mexa | And lots of detail |
| 22:03.58 | Mexa | I'll link |
| 22:04.07 | Ech0__ | im looking at a wikipedia article of it now :< |
| 22:04.12 | Mexa | :<? |
| 22:04.33 | Nash|327 | (A1win) whee I managed to create that item pickup dummy ability O: |
| 22:04.33 | Ech0__ | i dont really know what it means |
| 22:04.35 | Ech0__ | but i like to use it |
| 22:04.40 | Nash|327 | you created a pickup ability? |
| 22:04.42 | Nash|327 | D_D |
| 22:04.47 | Mexa | thought it was like :( |
| 22:04.51 | Ech0__ | no |
| 22:04.55 | Ech0__ | it's like surprised but not really |
| 22:04.57 | Mexa | I used it like that |
| 22:04.57 | Ech0__ | kind of thing |
| 22:04.59 | Mexa | lol |
| 22:05.00 | Ech0__ | i dont really know myself |
| 22:05.08 | Ech0__ | hand on mouth |
| 22:05.25 | Ech0__ | looks interesting Mexa, based on this article |
| 22:05.37 | Ech0__ | you're in university right? |
| 22:05.41 | Mexa | yeah |
| 22:05.43 | Mexa | second year |
| 22:05.44 | Ech0__ | cool cool |
| 22:05.49 | A1win | Nash|327, well it causes the ability to "complete" when the unit is picking it up, and then I catch it with a trigger and do stuff |
| 22:05.51 | Ech0__ | ah, i just finished my second year |
| 22:05.51 | Mexa | and you're long gone? |
| 22:05.54 | Mexa | oh |
| 22:05.57 | Ech0__ | no :( |
| 22:06.03 | Mexa | At where? |
| 22:06.05 | Ech0__ | im entering junior year |
| 22:06.06 | Nash|327 | Why don't you use the Pickup ability? |
| 22:06.08 | Ech0__ | Kennesaw University |
| 22:06.15 | Mexa | is that in US? |
| 22:06.16 | Ech0__ | yeah |
| 22:06.20 | A1win | doesn't it pickup stuff when you walk on the item? |
| 22:06.20 | Ech0__ | you're doing CS right? |
| 22:06.24 | Mexa | well |
| 22:06.30 | Mexa | yes and no I guess |
| 22:06.34 | Ech0__ | :o |
| 22:06.40 | Mexa | we have alot of CS courses |
| 22:06.42 | Dustin | :O |
| 22:06.43 | Nash|327 | it's a short range autocast dummy ability, AFAIK |
| 22:06.54 | Mexa | But the education is for a masters in gaming and software development |
| 22:07.02 | Nash|327 | that targets non-invulnerable units |
| 22:07.03 | Ech0__ | mhh, i wouldnt do it |
| 22:07.18 | Mexa | hum |
| 22:07.22 | Ech0__ | get your masters in general CS with a focus on something more important |
| 22:07.27 | Ech0__ | it will get your a gaming dev job |
| 22:07.28 | Mexa | No thanks |
| 22:07.32 | A1win | oh |
| 22:07.44 | Mexa | We have explicitly an education for gaming and software |
| 22:07.47 | Mexa | 5years |
| 22:07.53 | Nash|327 | why would you want a gaming dev job D: |
| 22:07.55 | Ech0__ | is this like digipen or something? |
| 22:08.02 | Ech0__ | Nash|327: gaming dev jobs are excellent |
| 22:08.08 | Mexa | Because I like to develop games? |
| 22:08.12 | A1win | how exactly do this actions work that modify charge links D: |
| 22:08.15 | Nash|327 | code monkey |
| 22:08.19 | Mexa | Not really |
| 22:08.24 | Ech0__ | no, do engine dev |
| 22:08.26 | Nash|327 | I like game design |
| 22:08.27 | Ech0__ | anything else is boring =( |
| 22:08.37 | Nash|327 | I fucking hate 3D programming |
| 22:08.42 | Nash|327 | D:~~ |
| 22:08.42 | Ech0__ | that's a shame |
| 22:08.42 | Mexa | I'm not going to be a codemonnkey, rather one in charge of codemonkeys :D |
| 22:08.47 | Mexa | That's the plans, lols |
| 22:08.54 | Ech0__ | 3d programming is culmination of everything related to programming |
| 22:09.08 | Nash|327 | I wanted to be a game dev when I was younger |
| 22:09.11 | Ech0__ | especially game engine design |
| 22:09.15 | Mexa | it is |
| 22:09.17 | Nash|327 | then I was like, "yeah right, as if" |
| 22:09.22 | Mexa | I am doing 3d programming this summer. |
| 22:09.29 | Ech0__ | nothing more satisfying than game engine design (nothing harder either) |
| 22:09.44 | Mexa | Also, what is digipen? |
| 22:09.50 | Ech0__ | some gaming univeristy |
| 22:09.54 | Ech0__ | that focuses on what you said |
| 22:09.58 | Nash|327 | I wasn't going to get a game design job and I won't be a code monkey. |
| 22:10.01 | Mexa | No, it's a techincal university here |
| 22:10.07 | Nash|327 | So fuck that. |
| 22:10.14 | Ech0__ | Nash|327: that is why i stopped doing CS |
| 22:10.15 | A1win | nvm figured it out.. mostly |
| 22:10.26 | Nash|327 | I switched to interaction design. |
| 22:10.31 | Ech0__ | i refuse to use my skills to get a useless web dev jov |
| 22:10.33 | Ech0__ | job* |
| 22:10.36 | Ech0__ | or god knows what else |
| 22:10.48 | Mexa | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blekinge_Institute_of_Technology |
| 22:10.50 | Ech0__ | now, im as far away from programming as can be |
| 22:10.51 | Mexa | Doesn't say much |
| 22:11.11 | Ech0__ | but i still love programming! |
| 22:11.18 | Ech0__ | i just dont want a job doing it |
| 22:11.53 | Nash|327 | Creative stuff is more fun. |
| 22:11.55 | Nash|327 | Actual design. |
| 22:12.01 | Nash|327 | Writing books. |
| 22:12.03 | Nash|327 | Whatever. |
| 22:12.05 | Ech0__ | meh |
| 22:12.12 | Nash|327 | Alas, implementation is a necessary evil. |
| 22:12.15 | Mexa | sticking your head in the toilet. |
| 22:12.34 | Nash|327 | Until we have computers who do it all for us. |
| 22:12.40 | Ech0__ | im more into hardcore programming stuff, operating system dev/internals, cutting edge 3D design, cyptrology |
| 22:12.41 | Mexa | 3dprogramming is creative |
| 22:12.48 | Nash|327 | Tell them what you want to do and the computer does it. ;G |
| 22:12.53 | Ech0__ | 3d programming is a lot of math basically |
| 22:13.04 | Ech0__ | i would know, i've been working on a game engine for some time now |
| 22:13.05 | Nash|327 | boring math |
| 22:13.18 | Mexa | 3d programming is creative for me |
| 22:13.20 | Mexa | then... |
| 22:13.28 | Mexa | Anyways. |
| 22:13.29 | Ech0__ | anyway, im a microbiology student now lol |
| 22:13.31 | Nash|327 | it's problem solving |
| 22:13.38 | Nash|327 | I wouldn't call it creative. |
| 22:13.42 | Nash|327 | But semantics. |
| 22:13.49 | Nash|327 | HAVE A BAGGED KITTUN |
| 22:14.51 | Mexa | That's very interesting... if the syntax fucked up in the script section, type one letter and press ctrl+z |
| 22:14.56 | Mexa | And it fixes itself |
| 22:15.07 | Mexa | And a pileload of shit. |
| 22:15.14 | Mexa | *is |
| 22:17.23 | Mexa | yeah, it messes up the rest when you try to type something new anyways.. |
| 22:18.12 | Mexa | Ech0__ do you have a portfolio of some 'cutting edge 3d design' or smth? |
| 22:18.26 | Ech0__ | no, my current projects are closed source |
| 22:18.32 | Ech0__ | basically in the pipeline |
| 22:18.34 | Mexa | So, not even pictures |
| 22:18.39 | Ech0__ | hm? |
| 22:18.44 | Ech0__ | i have pictures if you want them... |
| 22:18.47 | Ech0__ | want a sample? |
| 22:18.50 | Mephs | i'm a phd in rocket proctology |
| 22:18.52 | Mephs | get at me |
| 22:19.07 | Mexa | Your bird is a hair. |
| 22:19.13 | Mexa | lol |
| 22:19.20 | Mexa | fail me |
| 22:19.22 | Ech0__ | im sure if i look around i can get you a sample Mexa? |
| 22:19.28 | Mexa | Your hair is a bird :| |
| 22:19.36 | Ech0__ | i... dont know what this |
| 22:19.40 | Nash|327 | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/project-workplace/21591-untitled-hero-survival-arena-showcase-requesting-feedback/#p14 |
| 22:19.45 | Nash|327 | I DEMAND KITTUNS |
| 22:20.00 | Mexa | ech0 sure, would be nice to see some samples |
| 22:20.06 | Mexa | or sp |
| 22:20.08 | Mexa | *so |
| 22:20.10 | Ech0__ | hmm, alright let me look around |
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| 22:20.15 | Ech0__ | im sure i wiggle something out |
| 22:20.19 | Ech0__ | i can* |
| 22:21.12 | Mephs | incoming minecraft gfx |
| 22:21.32 | Nash|327 | NO MINECRAFTZ |
| 22:21.48 | Ech0__ | http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/4342/screenshotcq.png |
| 22:21.50 | Ech0__ | there you go |
| 22:21.50 | Mexa | Hmm.. Terraria looks fun now. |
| 22:22.02 | Mexa | Ah, so no textures |
| 22:22.02 | Ech0__ | procedural fractal generation |
| 22:22.11 | Ech0__ | no, that's untextured |
| 22:22.22 | Mexa | I thought I was going to see a blendmap tho. |
| 22:22.29 | Ech0__ | adding a texture to it is trival |
| 22:22.34 | Mephs | so you made random terrain generation |
| 22:22.43 | Ech0__ | that's not random |
| 22:22.52 | Mephs | ok so you made terrain generation... |
| 22:22.55 | Ech0__ | it's a fractal |
| 22:23.02 | Mephs | ok so you made a fractal |
| 22:23.05 | Ech0__ | yeah |
| 22:23.08 | Mephs | ...cutting edge? |
| 22:23.13 | Mexa | It's about the details of the mesh, no? |
| 22:23.21 | Ech0__ | that's just an example Mephs |
| 22:23.26 | Mephs | i dont like examples |
| 22:23.30 | Mephs | i like results. show me results |
| 22:23.35 | Ech0__ | right now im working on some tessellation project using dx11 |
| 22:23.39 | Mexa | A tech demo? |
| 22:23.40 | Mexa | .-. |
| 22:23.50 | Mephs | i dont care what its called i want to see it do stuff |
| 22:24.03 | Ech0__ | sorry, closed source until it's stable |
| 22:24.14 | Mephs | well then sorry but i'm not excited. |
| 22:24.15 | Ech0__ | i am in the middle of writing a tutorial about it though |
| 22:24.21 | Ech0__ | ill give you the link once it's done |
| 22:24.25 | Ech0__ | anything you'd like to show me? |
| 22:24.41 | Mexa | You don't have to make it open source to show a tech demo. |
| 22:24.49 | Mephs | http://www.oldredbarnco.com/goat2a.bmp |
| 22:24.59 | Ech0__ | that is a goat sir. |
| 22:25.00 | Mexa | Naw, I don't have anything interesting right now to show. |
| 22:25.03 | Mephs | it is. |
| 22:25.05 | Mephs | i wanted to show you |
| 22:25.30 | Ech0__ | anyway, i have some kernel mode write ups if you'd like to see those |
| 22:25.45 | Mexa | Can it be displayed graphically? |
| 22:25.53 | Ech0__ | :| |
| 22:26.00 | Mephs | i have formulaic evidence that a singularity is actually cognitive matter |
| 22:26.10 | Mephs | i'm sure you would want to see that too, but you might not understand |
| 22:26.20 | Mexa | :> I'd rather not see code |
| 22:26.29 | Mexa | As I wouldn't understand much of kernel and whatnot |
| 22:26.30 | Ech0__ | it's not just code, it's a full write up |
| 22:26.37 | Mephs | anyway lets talk about impressive things |
| 22:26.45 | Mexa | or read :v |
| 22:26.51 | Ech0__ | kernel mode write ups dont interest you? |
| 22:26.53 | Mephs | today i made a stun behavior |
| 22:27.05 | Mexa | I don't know, should it? |
| 22:27.07 | Ech0__ | i did a lecture on os internals |
| 22:27.10 | Mexa | It's not my area at all. |
| 22:27.12 | Ech0__ | if you want to see that |
| 22:27.24 | Mexa | ;o |
| 22:27.28 | Mephs | why would anyone want to read it? |
| 22:27.36 | Ech0__ | people have read it :) |
| 22:27.39 | Mephs | except someone who needs to |
| 22:27.50 | Mexa | Ech0__ if it was something that already was interesting for me |
| 22:27.51 | Ech0__ | anyone who's interested in it |
| 22:28.00 | Mephs | i mean...i dont read leisure books in my spare time, why would I want to read your jibber jabber documentation of shit i don't need to know right now |
| 22:28.01 | Ech0__ | i dont know what interests you Mexa |
| 22:28.15 | Nash|327 | I wrote 3 books, if anyone wants to read them :P |
| 22:28.19 | Mexa | game mechanics, concepts, 3d techs |
| 22:28.26 | Mephs | I wrote 16 harry potter fanfictions, i win |
| 22:28.30 | Nash|327 | ew |
| 22:28.36 | Nash|327 | fanfics |
| 22:28.36 | Mephs | and yes. "those" kinds. |
| 22:28.42 | Mexa | Did you rip them of JRR Tolkien? |
| 22:28.45 | Nash|327 | HARRY POTTER fanfics D: |
| 22:28.51 | Mephs | not just harry potter fanfics. |
| 22:28.59 | Mephs | but you could call them "harry & ron" fanfics. |
| 22:29.05 | Mephs | mmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 22:29.08 | Mephs | wait what |
| 22:29.12 | Dustin | What's harry potter? |
| 22:29.18 | Mexa | prequels to the prequel of the sequel prequel sequel? |
| 22:29.29 | Ech0__ | sorry too much of that is in the pipeline for me to demo |
| 22:29.37 | Mephs | "the pipeline" |
| 22:29.40 | Ech0__ | im sorry you're not satisifed with what i've displayed so far |
| 22:29.54 | Nash|327 | I like kittuns |
| 22:29.56 | Mephs | well we can't do much with a primitive wireframe, can we. |
| 22:29.56 | Ech0__ | im hoping you will grace me with some interesting things as well |
| 22:30.05 | Ech0__ | it's not for you to use Mephs |
| 22:30.12 | Mexa | Huh it's ok, but the terrain mesh, was it about being detailed more under circumstances, or what? |
| 22:30.14 | Mephs | well it certainly doesn't look like an entertaining game. |
| 22:30.24 | Ech0__ | it's not a game |
| 22:30.26 | Ech0__ | you fail to see the bigger picture sadly |
| 22:30.31 | Mephs | well it certainly doesn't look like an entertaining picture |
| 22:30.37 | Ech0__ | that was an example of generating terrian of infinite detail |
| 22:30.47 | Mephs | well it certainly doesn't look very detailed. |
| 22:30.47 | Ech0__ | you can texture it, light it, etc |
| 22:30.49 | Ech0__ | however you want |
| 22:31.00 | Nash|327 | DOES IT HAVE KITTUNS!? |
| 22:31.05 | Ech0__ | why not Mephs? |
| 22:31.11 | Mephs | i dont know, the lack of...anything on it? |
| 22:31.19 | Ech0__ | what do you mean |
| 22:31.20 | Mephs | like i said. consumers want results. |
| 22:31.22 | Mephs | you're showing me nerd shit. |
| 22:31.24 | Mephs | i dont care about nerd shit |
| 22:31.28 | Ech0__ | im not a marketer |
| 22:31.32 | Ech0__ | i dont market products |
| 22:31.36 | Mephs | i want to blow shit to fuck-all fucksville with a torpedo rifle |
| 22:31.37 | Ech0__ | i could care less what consumers what |
| 22:31.45 | Mephs | and consumers could care less about your nerd shit g'day |
| 22:31.52 | Ech0__ | i write programs as a hobbuy |
| 22:31.54 | Ech0__ | hobby* |
| 22:31.55 | Nash|327 | couldn't care less* |
| 22:32.01 | Mephs | shut up nash |
| 22:32.08 | Nash|327 | NO YOU SHUT UP! |
| 22:32.17 | Nash|327 | ENGLISH MOTHERFUCKER! |
| 22:32.26 | Mephs | (for the record i have every clue what he's talking about, but realistically this is how normal people would recieve it) |
| 22:32.32 | Mexa | soo yeah... herpaderp- |
| 22:32.42 | Nash|327 | Mexaderp |
| 22:32.46 | Mexa | Nashderp |
| 22:32.50 | Nash|327 | Bag me a kittun! |
| 22:33.04 | Mexa | kittuns Nash a bag. |
| 22:33.23 | Nash|327 | Close enough. |
| 22:33.30 | Mexa | That was quick Mephs. |
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| 22:35.04 | Nash|327 | Mexa you smell bad and your shoes are dirty |
| 22:35.13 | Mexa | :V How do you know that? |
| 22:35.28 | Nash|327 | I know many things. |
| 22:35.30 | Mexa | throws Mexa at Nash. |
| 22:35.32 | Mexa | There we go. |
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| 22:36.33 | A1win | mmh... any idea how to make my ability so that I can smart-click it on units that I don't have vision on, just a snapshot vision... now it's giving a move order if I right click the target instead of using the custom ability |
| 22:36.46 | A1win | it smart casts it properly if I have vision to the target |
| 22:37.03 | A1win | mmh maybe something denies it from being used on non-visible targets... |
| 22:37.51 | A1win | err... says "must target unit" |
| 22:38.19 | A1win | oh right... it's not actually targeting a unit when it just has the snapshot vision |
| 22:40.12 | A1win | no idea how to fix that :< |
| 22:41.03 | JademusSreg | Give vision of the unit? =D |
| 22:41.28 | A1win | that'd look weird :P |
| 22:41.54 | JademusSreg | What's this for specifically? |
| 22:42.06 | A1win | a makeshift item pickup system |
| 22:42.20 | A1win | I made a dummy ability that smart casts on the item unit |
| 22:42.41 | A1win | and then catch the event when it "casts" the ability on the item when it gets in range |
| 22:43.17 | A1win | now it works otherwise but it doesn't smart cast it on the non-visible units with snapshot vision, like Move does |
| 22:44.20 | JademusSreg | Is the ability set to only target unit? |
| 22:44.38 | JademusSreg | If it allows unit/point, that might be problematic, you can imagine. |
| 22:44.42 | A1win | just trying to figure out where to change that |
| 22:44.47 | A1win | but yeah :E |
| 22:45.23 | A1win | hmm how does gather do it? |
| 22:45.39 | A1win | I can smart-click on minerals that aren't visible |
| 22:46.59 | A1win | doesn't seem to expose those properties for gather |
| 22:47.12 | A1win | err |
| 22:47.21 | A1win | why don't I just use gather |
| 22:47.56 | A1win | or should I :S |
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| 22:48.42 | A1win | uh it harvests resources from a unit... dunno if that'd work out well |
| 22:56.52 | A1win | I'm tempted to just do it by periodic checking for items around the units >.> |
| 22:56.59 | Nash|327 | Mephs you smell D: |
| 22:56.59 | Stewox | jademus |
| 22:57.09 | Stewox | http://www.shrani.si/f/2k/7S/4BgG098s/sc2-2011-05-28-23-52-50-.jpg |
| 22:57.11 | Nash|327 | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/project-workplace/21591-untitled-hero-survival-arena-showcase-requesting-feedback/#p16 |
| 22:57.26 | Stewox | http://www.shrani.si/f/2E/3G/1RPx1MRq/sc2commandtrig2.jpg |
| 22:59.35 | A1win | eh... I'll just make the items breakables, at least that will *work* |
| 22:59.53 | A1win | and be maybe a bit more intuitive too.. for an SC2 player |
| 23:00.28 | Nash|327 | BREAK STUFF |
| 23:01.43 | Stewox | jademussreg |
| 23:03.18 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 23:03.26 | Nash|327 | IT AWAKENS |
| 23:04.23 | A1win | except that then the players can break them even when they're already at full charges >_> |
| 23:04.28 | A1win | mehmehmeh |
| 23:04.31 | JademusSreg | That works Stew. I explained that if you don't want it to have a custom texture border to delete the Image subframe. |
| 23:05.40 | JademusSreg | The item actor's use Snapshot, A1? |
| 23:06.13 | JademusSreg | *item's actor |
| 23:06.28 | A1win | yeah, but I want it to be like that <.< |
| 23:06.36 | JademusSreg | Naw, that's cool. |
| 23:06.57 | JademusSreg | So if you right click on them you will move to it? |
| 23:07.07 | A1win | yeah, if it's not visible |
| 23:07.17 | A1win | and if it is, it smart casts the dummy ability, walks in range, and uses it |
| 23:07.58 | A1win | mmf |
| 23:08.38 | A1win | not sure if right click to pick it up is the best solution anyway... maybe it'd be better to just have to walk near it |
| 23:09.38 | A1win | maybe have the item autocast some ability on the player? X_x |
| 23:10.04 | JademusSreg | I'm taking a break, gonna play some SC2. =D |
| 23:11.53 | A1win | err... I just realized that these are all preplaced units, I could just use unit comes in range of a unit event ._o |
| 23:12.19 | A1win | except that then it wouldn't work if the unit was already in range when it uses up the last charge and then tries to pick it up... |
| 23:13.12 | A1win | oh but I can also catch a move order event and check the range :o |
| 23:14.16 | Stewox | jademus |
| 23:14.41 | Nash|327 | if you just want unit comes in range of unit, why are you not using Pickup ability? |
| 23:15.02 | Stewox | im off to sleep then , don't forget everything , im not a fan of explaining all over again ... abotu the string-to-command parser |
| 23:18.19 | A1win | Nash|327, it doesn't exist in multiplayer mod but I guess I'll switch if I can't think of anything else |
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| 23:18.45 | Nash|327 | oh no campaign dependency? |
| 23:19.05 | A1win | yeah |
| 23:19.12 | Nash|327 | Well should just be an auto-cast dummy ability |
| 23:19.24 | Nash|327 | set up range as you wish |
| 23:19.52 | Nash|327 | set flags for Visible, Invulnerable, Ground or whatever |
| 23:19.54 | A1win | how can I make it target all units around it though? |
| 23:19.56 | A1win | and not just one |
| 23:20.12 | A1win | since not all units are allowed to pick it up |
| 23:20.40 | Nash|327 | well set up validators and such for those who ARE allowed |
| 23:20.41 | A1win | and the condition is that the unit doesn't have charges in its Force Field ability, can that even be validated? |
| 23:21.05 | Nash|327 | possibly |
| 23:22.33 | A1win | doesn't seem to be possible at least directly |
| 23:22.58 | A1win | maybe hack it by giving it some behavior when it has no charges left X_x |
| 23:24.12 | A1win | or is there some "unit can use ability" validator? |
| 23:26.28 | Nash|327 | unit has ability |
| 23:26.50 | Nash|327 | What about compare unit field? |
| 23:27.23 | A1win | hmm? |
| 23:27.36 | Nash|327 | it's a type of validator |
| 23:27.57 | Nash|327 | maybe the charge link works there or something |
| 23:28.14 | A1win | oh... |
| 23:28.24 | A1win | what syntax does the field use :S |
| 23:28.35 | Nash|327 | I have no clue. |
| 23:28.51 | A1win | and it's in the ability and not the unit anyway <.< |
| 23:29.33 | A1win | what does the "Unit Ability" validator do? |
| 23:32.25 | Nash|327 | workarounds ftw |
| 23:33.44 | A1win | ;X |
| 23:33.49 | Nash|327 | do the hidden behavior crap |
| 23:34.31 | A1win | I'm not even sure how to make an autocast dummy ability... last time I just copied medivac's heal and removed the stuff I didn't need =p |
| 23:35.15 | A1win | should I use Effect - Target type? |
| 23:35.25 | Nash|327 | could work |
| 23:35.32 | Nash|327 | I don't think it matters really |
| 23:35.43 | Nash|327 | a long as it's something that can target |
| 23:36.16 | Nash|327 | I'll check what the pickup ability is |
| 23:36.37 | A1win | the Unit Ability seems to check if the unit has that ability... |
| 23:36.54 | Nash|327 | pickup is effect - target |
| 23:36.56 | A1win | now I have an ability that can target any unit except one that has Force Field |
| 23:37.10 | A1win | <.< |
| 23:37.23 | Nash|327 | Effect Target with no effect |
| 23:37.26 | Nash|327 | make it auto-cast |
| 23:37.33 | Nash|327 | set auto-cast on |
| 23:37.34 | A1win | it can have no effect? |
| 23:37.40 | Nash|327 | yup |
| 23:37.42 | A1win | how do I add validator? |
| 23:37.49 | Nash|327 | auto-cast validators |
| 23:37.54 | A1win | oh right |
| 23:38.19 | Nash|327 | set uo those and the Auto Cast filters |
| 23:38.39 | Nash|327 | check flags for Auto Cast and Auto Cast On |
| 23:38.42 | Nash|327 | set range |
| 23:38.57 | Nash|327 | and Auto Cast Range |
| 23:39.56 | Nash|327 | there's also validator called Pickup Check |
| 23:39.59 | Nash|327 | in campaign |
| 23:40.09 | Nash|327 | I suggest you recreate it in your map |
| 23:40.45 | Nash|327 | or at least the Player Type validator part of it |
| 23:40.59 | Nash|327 | Which requires player to be User and not Computer |
| 23:42.20 | A1win | humm... it doesn't generate a trigger event if it doesn't have an effect |
| 23:42.30 | Nash|327 | so if you won't use Campaign dependency you should at least look at the pickup stuff in it |
| 23:42.34 | Nash|327 | Yes, it does. |
| 23:43.07 | A1win | I'm even trying to cast it manually |
| 23:43.12 | A1win | nothing happens when I target it on anything |
| 23:43.59 | A1win | err.. it doesn't even check the range |
| 23:44.38 | Nash|327 | open the secret mission |
| 23:44.47 | Nash|327 | look at pickup triggers |
| 23:45.51 | A1win | well I guess my ability is broken |
| 23:45.58 | Nash|327 | http://pastebin.com/hQUYGEJ8 |
| 23:46.08 | Nash|327 | My medkit pickup trigger :G |
| 23:46.47 | A1win | well I just had "any unit uses thisability at any stage" and print a text message, and it didn't trigger at all |
| 23:47.11 | A1win | ...I'll just copy the pickup ability |
| 23:47.23 | A1win | oh |
| 23:47.40 | A1win | I didn't have any value in the effect field at all |
| 23:47.43 | A1win | should have (None) :P |
| 23:47.50 | Nash|327 | D_D |
| 23:47.53 | Nash|327 | yes |
| 23:48.34 | A1win | when this is done, I sure hope I don't want to change it to a targetable pickup |
| 23:49.14 | A1win | ugh, still no event |
| 23:49.46 | A1win | time for ctrl-c, ctrl-v |
| 23:50.37 | A1win | ....might help if my arc was 360 and not 0 |
| 23:50.48 | A1win | it's getting late :3 |
| 23:50.53 | A1win | (always blame the clock) |
| 23:51.28 | A1win | well that wasn't enough.... durr |
| 23:54.12 | A1win | ah, the copied one seems to work at least |
| 23:56.39 | A1win | I think I'll even not use charges and just enable the force field with this behavior |
| 23:56.45 | A1win | so it doesn't go to waste =p |
| 23:57.01 | A1win | or would that be misleading... |
| 23:57.07 | A1win | to not have the charge visible |
| 23:57.12 | A1win | I guess.... meh |
