IRC log for #sc2mapster on 20110517

`00:04.13`	`Dresnia`	`goodnight y'all <3`
`00:04.19`	`PM\|away`	`Never needed to do this before now, but I've got this really stupid model that does not stop moving, period. . . and I'm tweaking an attachment on it.`
`00:04.28`	`PM\|away`	`Anyone know if it's possible to freeze all animations on the map?`
`00:04.32`	`PM\|away`	`Similar to the previewer`
`00:06.40`	`*** join/#sc2mapster SirDemon (~Alma@line-19036.dyn.kponet.fi)`
`00:24.22`	`Kueken`	`ProzaicMuze: tried to send an actor message via trigger to the entire map?`
`00:25.01`	`Kueken`	`or you need it within the editor?`
`00:25.12`	`ProzaicMuze`	`editor`
`00:25.46`	`Kueken`	`maybe temporarily add an event which plays the stand global loop animation?`
`00:26.31`	`Kueken`	`just guessing here, though`
`00:41.06`	`*** join/#sc2mapster P_R_Deltoid (~P_R_Dontk@c-76-20-43-100.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)`
`00:42.36`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Triceron (60313557@gateway/web/freenode/ip.96.49.53.87)`
`00:52.53`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Dynast (~Dynast@adsl-074-171-206-222.sip.owb.bellsouth.net)`
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`02:02.28`	`Mephs`	`we are going live in 5 minutes: http://www.livestream.com/sc2streamster - Data Monday`
`03:14.16`	`*** join/#sc2mapster LordAbyss (~Christoph@ip72-201-114-36.ph.ph.cox.net)`
`03:22.31`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Skizot (~skizot@pool-71-180-51-125.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net)`
`03:24.54`	`Bounty`	`lol actual sc2 players will shit their pants when they see the next Avatar for my map :)`
`03:25.01`	`Bounty`	`its a micro management pros dream`
`03:28.02`	`ProzaicMuze`	`your map. . . is that the one with the sword dude who spins in a circle?`
`03:43.30`	`Bounty`	`yeah`
`03:43.47`	`ProzaicMuze`	`that dude is gay`
`03:43.53`	`ProzaicMuze`	`he only has armor on one side of his body`
`03:43.57`	`ProzaicMuze`	`silly warriormandude`
`03:44.02`	`Bounty`	`lolol`
`03:50.31`	`ProzaicMuze`	`lol`
`03:50.33`	`ProzaicMuze`	`I do`
`03:50.36`	`ProzaicMuze`	`teehee`
`03:54.22`	`ProzaicMuze`	`hrm`
`03:54.29`	`ProzaicMuze`	`Apparently i can't chat on the livestream`
`03:54.31`	`ProzaicMuze`	`sadface`
`03:54.45`	`ProzaicMuze`	`I bet Mephs banned me pre-emptively so I can't participate`
`03:54.46`	`ProzaicMuze`	`ebil`
`04:01.27`	`Triceron`	`oh shit, it's mondaty`
`04:01.35`	`Triceron`	`I missed funday monday :(`
`04:01.39`	`ProzaicMuze`	`go die`
`04:01.44`	`Triceron`	`dies`
`04:01.49`	`ProzaicMuze`	`good boy`
`04:02.07`	`Triceron`	`res me plz kthx`
`04:02.40`	`Triceron`	`so what are you guys working on?`
`04:05.10`	`*** join/#sc2mapster onetwo (ae070b76@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.7.11.118)`
`04:05.10`	`*** mode/#sc2mapster [+v onetwo] by ChanServ`
`04:05.20`	`Triceron`	`Ahoy Onetwo!`
`04:05.26`	`onetwo`	`hi`
`04:05.32`	`onetwo`	`i mustered up the energy to join`
`04:05.32`	`onetwo`	`lol`
`04:05.40`	`Triceron`	`woo!`
`04:06.13`	`ProzaicMuze`	`go die onetwo`
`04:06.20`	`Triceron`	`what's new with you?`
`04:06.21`	`ProzaicMuze`	`Triceron, you cheated`
`04:06.26`	`ProzaicMuze`	`you didnt' get rez'd`
`04:06.29`	`ProzaicMuze`	`not fair`
`04:06.50`	`Triceron`	`I'm speaking from beyond the graaaaaaveee`
`04:06.54`	`Triceron`	`ooohhhhhhh`
`04:07.01`	`ProzaicMuze`	`blasphemer!`
`04:07.02`	`ProzaicMuze`	`Also`
`04:07.15`	`ProzaicMuze`	`have you made any cool new models since I last saw your evil zerg dude of evilness?`
`04:07.20`	`Triceron`	`yar!`
`04:07.26`	`ProzaicMuze`	`linky!`
`04:07.34`	`Triceron`	`though I've slowed/stopped on SC2 stuff`
`04:07.44`	`Triceron`	`I'm working on... Warcraft!`
`04:07.54`	`ProzaicMuze`	`wah. . .`
`04:07.56`	`ProzaicMuze`	`gay`
`04:08.19`	`Triceron`	`:(`
`04:08.51`	`Saeris`	`hey onetwo, you're back in irc! =D`
`04:09.01`	`Triceron`	`no one appreciates the awesomeness of Warcraft :(`
`04:09.28`	`ProzaicMuze`	`because the awesomeness of Warcraft was beaten into the capitalish regime of Warcraft`
`04:09.41`	`Triceron`	`well I'm going back to the classics`
`04:09.46`	`Triceron`	`where it was the grandest`
`04:09.48`	`Saeris`	`about that email, yea don't worry. if you've got too much to do that's fine. but just and FYI we're pushing back the release date another 2 weeks, so if you think you'd have time between now and then, we're still looking to get a video done`
`04:09.49`	`Triceron`	`in the RTS era!`
`04:10.12`	`ProzaicMuze`	`Psh`
`04:10.15`	`ProzaicMuze`	`traitor`
`04:10.19`	`ProzaicMuze`	`show me your goods though anyways`
`04:10.32`	`ProzaicMuze`	`I shall forgive you if the models are supremely amazing`
`04:10.37`	`ProzaicMuze`	`BUT ONLY IF THEY ARE SUCH!`
`04:10.53`	`Triceron`	`http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/artist-tavern/21115-model-showcase-warcraft-footman/#p14`
`04:11.01`	`Saeris`	`beat me to it`
`04:11.01`	`Triceron`	`http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/artist-tavern/21378-model-showcase-warcraft-grunt/#p14`
`04:11.05`	`Saeris`	`was just gonna ask if you did that`
`04:11.17`	`Triceron`	`I'm working on an archer right now :D`
`04:11.22`	`Triceron`	`and then some skeletons`
`04:11.40`	`Triceron`	`I can't wait for blizz dota`
`04:11.51`	`Saeris`	`triceron, we're looking for some more people for a map making team over at SCL, interested?`
`04:11.52`	`Triceron`	`cuz I wanna do a customized version of it with these guys in it`
`04:12.04`	`ProzaicMuze`	`fyi`
`04:12.05`	`ProzaicMuze`	`Triceron`
`04:12.11`	`ProzaicMuze`	`I will eventually conscript you for one of my projects`
`04:12.13`	`ProzaicMuze`	`and you will accept`
`04:12.15`	`ProzaicMuze`	`or else`
`04:12.18`	`ProzaicMuze`	`UNDERSTOOD!?`
`04:12.20`	`Saeris`	`i asked first`
`04:12.20`	`ProzaicMuze`	`btw`
`04:12.22`	`Saeris`	`=P`
`04:12.25`	`ProzaicMuze`	`I just had sex with that footman`
`04:12.41`	`ProzaicMuze`	`SCL?`
`04:12.47`	`ProzaicMuze`	`wtf is SCL?`
`04:12.48`	`Triceron`	`it's available for download!`
`04:12.48`	`Triceron`	`SClegacy`
`04:12.48`	`Saeris`	`starcraft legacy`
`04:12.55`	`ProzaicMuze`	`traitor`
`04:12.56`	`ProzaicMuze`	`that site is gay`
`04:12.59`	`onetwo`	`sorry had a phone call`
`04:13.06`	`Triceron`	`no it's not!`
`04:13.10`	`Triceron`	`it has a girlfriend`
`04:13.18`	`onetwo`	`yeah saeris i dont think i can`
`04:13.20`	`onetwo`	`i just graduated`
`04:13.24`	`onetwo`	`and am doing iphone app work`
`04:13.25`	`Triceron`	`grats onetwo!`
`04:13.27`	`onetwo`	`and im going to europe in june`
`04:13.29`	`onetwo`	`so i gotta finish work`
`04:13.32`	`onetwo`	`asap`
`04:13.36`	`Saeris`	`oaky`
`04:13.44`	`onetwo`	`app money = sexy`
`04:13.50`	`Saeris`	`that's fine man, just wanted to get you if i could cuz you're the best`
`04:13.53`	`onetwo`	`starting is like 70$ an hour`
`04:14.02`	`Triceron`	`mmmm`
`04:14.15`	`Triceron`	`money is good'`
`04:14.17`	`onetwo`	`yah`
`04:14.21`	`Saeris`	`anyways, triceron`
`04:14.23`	`onetwo`	`i want to make money so i can fund my map making life`
`04:14.27`	`onetwo`	`and 2 so i can buy an aston martin`
`04:14.33`	`Triceron`	`lol`
`04:14.35`	`onetwo`	`then im done`
`04:14.37`	`onetwo`	`i can die`
`04:14.45`	`Saeris`	`we could really use a part time modeler to help out with some future projects`
`04:15.03`	`ProzaicMuze`	`I'm looking at SCL`
`04:15.12`	`ProzaicMuze`	`it's got like. . . 1/20 what Mapster has`
`04:15.14`	`ProzaicMuze`	`desert`
`04:15.16`	`ProzaicMuze`	`wasteland`
`04:15.21`	`ProzaicMuze`	`colored blue and gray`
`04:15.26`	`onetwo`	`that should be a map`
`04:15.55`	`Triceron`	`I'd like to Saeris, but I'm working on two other projects atm, so I don't think I can squeeze in the time :(`
`04:16.12`	`Saeris`	`PM don't judge a book by it's cover =P we're only about to release our first project within the next month`
`04:16.21`	`ProzaicMuze`	`psh`
`04:16.22`	`onetwo`	`man im quite excited for diablo 3`
`04:16.24`	`ProzaicMuze`	`SCL sucks`
`04:16.26`	`ProzaicMuze`	`the site`
`04:16.27`	`onetwo`	`my sc2 enthusiasm has died down`
`04:16.27`	`ProzaicMuze`	`granted`
`04:16.31`	`Saeris`	`it'd be over the summer triceron, nothing immediate`
`04:16.32`	`ProzaicMuze`	`yoru project is probably also bad to`
`04:16.34`	`ProzaicMuze`	`too*`
`04:16.36`	`ProzaicMuze`	`since. . . yeh know. . . it's you`
`04:16.40`	`ProzaicMuze`	`and you're uberbad`
`04:16.41`	`ProzaicMuze`	`like`
`04:16.44`	`ProzaicMuze`	`sobadithurtsbad`
`04:16.52`	`Saeris`	`well fuck you too`
`04:16.58`	`ProzaicMuze`	`only if you have a vagina :D`
`04:17.03`	`Triceron`	`You see the video with the mercenaries for Diablo 3?`
`04:17.10`	`onetwo`	`no`
`04:17.12`	`ProzaicMuze`	`what are you working on anyways?`
`04:17.13`	`onetwo`	`i couldnt find it`
`04:17.20`	`onetwo`	`can you fax it to my secretary`
`04:17.23`	`onetwo`	`her name is prozaicmuze`
`04:17.28`	`ProzaicMuze`	`onetwo`
`04:17.35`	`ProzaicMuze`	`I charge $10000/hr`
`04:17.42`	`ProzaicMuze`	`gimme gimme`
`04:17.56`	`Saeris`	`it's a zone wars type map with 5 game modes and a bunch of neato features and strategic gameplay elements`
`04:18.04`	`onetwo`	`as long as we can have affairs`
`04:18.05`	`onetwo`	`in my office`
`04:18.16`	`ProzaicMuze`	`and the storage closet`
`04:18.20`	`ProzaicMuze`	`especially the floor`
`04:18.22`	`onetwo`	`janitor = threeway`
`04:18.25`	`ProzaicMuze`	`zomg I'm gettin' hot just thinking about it`
`04:18.28`	`onetwo`	`and ill call in kobe bryant and the IMF president`
`04:18.35`	`onetwo`	`for some real fun`
`04:18.40`	`ProzaicMuze`	`@.@`
`04:18.44`	`ProzaicMuze`	`I dunno`
`04:18.46`	`ProzaicMuze`	`that's a lot of men`
`04:18.48`	`ProzaicMuze`	`that's like 4 on one`
`04:18.56`	`ProzaicMuze`	`I CAN'T TAKE IT ALL OMG AHHH`
`04:18.58`	`ProzaicMuze`	`TOO MUCH TOO MUCH`
`04:19.08`	`Sixen`	`omg, my two favorite people are here.`
`04:19.10`	`Triceron`	`http://www.youtube.com/diablo#p/u/0/MSc0agGNJkw`
`04:19.14`	`onetwo`	`me and ... me?`
`04:19.18`	`ProzaicMuze`	`you bish`
`04:19.19`	`Sixen`	`one and two`
`04:19.51`	`onetwo`	`diablo's channel is alright, not as good as mine`
`04:19.51`	`ProzaicMuze`	`I'm married to him`
`04:19.51`	`ProzaicMuze`	`back off!`
`04:19.51`	`Sixen`	`lol`
`04:19.51`	`Sixen`	`OneTwo Muze and Prozaic Muze?`
`04:19.52`	`Saeris`	`anyways, afk for a bit`
`04:19.57`	`Sixen`	`Or rather, One Muze*`
`04:20.00`	`ProzaicMuze`	`way to forget about our marriage already Sixen`
`04:20.07`	`Sixen`	`:(`
`04:20.15`	`ProzaicMuze`	`I want a divorce`
`04:20.16`	`Triceron`	`ProzaicTwo?`
`04:20.16`	`ProzaicMuze`	`you don't appreciate me!`
`04:20.26`	`Sixen`	`you don't make me sandwiches`
`04:20.29`	`Triceron`	`that'd be two too many`
`04:20.34`	`ProzaicMuze`	`you don't let me get on top`
`04:20.36`	`onetwo`	`can i just have kobe`
`04:20.36`	`onetwo`	`and you guys have eachother`
`04:20.42`	`onetwo`	`anyway, im not a huge fan of followers or mercs`
`04:20.44`	`Sixen`	`you can't have kobe without shaq, so..`
`04:20.48`	`onetwo`	`i like controlling one character`
`04:20.53`	`onetwo`	`i played one priest for 2.5 years in WoW`
`04:20.54`	`onetwo`	`no alts`
`04:21.01`	`Sixen`	`Followers will only be single player anyway`
`04:21.03`	`onetwo`	`so personally i wont be too into mercs`
`04:21.05`	`Sixen`	`Stupid as hell >.>`
`04:21.06`	`onetwo`	`oh good`
`04:21.08`	`*** join/#sc2mapster tigger0jk (papasmurph@dynamic2-245-006.usc.edu)`
`04:21.08`	`Triceron`	`what? Really?`
`04:21.11`	`Sixen`	`yea`
`04:21.13`	`ProzaicMuze`	`followers are nice if you have some control over them`
`04:21.15`	`Triceron`	`no followers in multi? that sucks :(`
`04:21.17`	`onetwo`	`dungeon siege tried to do it`
`04:21.20`	`Triceron`	`i want a templar taning shit`
`04:21.22`	`onetwo`	`look where that game ended up`
`04:21.26`	`ProzaicMuze`	`since it's like a DS/D&D party etc feel`
`04:21.32`	`Triceron`	`I like minions!`
`04:21.34`	`Sixen`	`http://www.diablofans.com, last 3 articles are on the Followers System`
`04:21.34`	`Saeris`	`but yea, the offers stands triceron if you find time this summer, you know how to get ahold of me`
`04:21.35`	`ProzaicMuze`	`but anythign like D2s mercs is bad`
`04:21.37`	`Triceron`	`but I hate the witchdoctor`
`04:21.40`	`ProzaicMuze`	`Psh`
`04:21.41`	`ProzaicMuze`	`can't look`
`04:21.45`	`ProzaicMuze`	`must not ruin my expectations!`
`04:21.50`	`onetwo`	`i like playing paly/priest classes`
`04:21.53`	`Triceron`	`Sounds good Saeris :)`
`04:21.55`	`onetwo`	`healing yourself is insanely useful`
`04:22.00`	`ProzaicMuze`	`Dungeon Siege is epic`
`04:22.02`	`ProzaicMuze`	`go die`
`04:22.05`	`Sixen`	`I remember DS`
`04:22.09`	`Sixen`	`Wasn't there some like... pimp hat?`
`04:22.13`	`Triceron`	`I like support classes`
`04:22.14`	`Sixen`	`And chicken room or something`
`04:22.18`	`ProzaicMuze`	`lol`
`04:22.20`	`Triceron`	`but Diablo 2 doesn't really hold up for support`
`04:22.27`	`Triceron`	`you can't heal other people at all`
`04:22.29`	`ProzaicMuze`	`Diablo never had support`
`04:22.32`	`Sixen`	`Sure you can, I made a Medic Paladin`
`04:22.34`	`ProzaicMuze`	`every class was self reliant`
`04:22.35`	`Triceron`	`Diablo 1 did`
`04:22.41`	`onetwo`	`true PM`
`04:22.45`	`onetwo`	`that was amazing how blizz did that`
`04:22.49`	`onetwo`	`but the real healer was potions`
`04:22.54`	`onetwo`	`a bit of a stunted mechanic`
`04:22.56`	`onetwo`	`you had to spam pots`
`04:22.58`	`onetwo`	`run around`
`04:22.59`	`Sixen`	`Yeah, but you could make supoprt classes`
`04:23.00`	`onetwo`	`lol`
`04:23.02`	`ProzaicMuze`	`lmao`
`04:23.07`	`ProzaicMuze`	`potion spam an entire belt`
`04:23.09`	`ProzaicMuze`	`every group of mobs`
`04:23.11`	`Sixen`	`Dur`
`04:23.13`	`ProzaicMuze`	`TP NEED MOAR POTS`
`04:23.21`	`Triceron`	`well I tried holybolt healing, and it doesn't beat a potion`
`04:23.34`	`ProzaicMuze`	`That pot vendor clearly had a massive hanger of herbs`
`04:23.38`	`ProzaicMuze`	`JUST for you`
`04:24.10`	`Xapti`	`potions sucked`
`04:24.17`	`Triceron`	`you sucked`
`04:24.33`	`Xapti`	`turned a good RP element into complete trash mechanic`
`04:24.36`	`ProzaicMuze`	`your mom sucked`
`04:24.48`	`ProzaicMuze`	`and Sixen`
`04:24.52`	`ProzaicMuze`	`wtb layouts for pretty pictures`
`04:24.54`	`ProzaicMuze`	`SNAP SNAP`
`04:26.39`	`Triceron`	`tbh tho I find Diablo's action a bit too twitch and monotonous`
`04:26.44`	`Xapti`	`guild wars handled self-sufficiency much better`
`04:26.46`	`onetwo`	`diablo 2 had flaws`
`04:26.47`	`Sixen`	`yeah PM, just /copy LoL :P`
`04:26.47`	`onetwo`	`it was not god`
`04:26.51`	`onetwo`	`but i think diablo 3 can fine tune it`
`04:26.54`	`onetwo`	`WoW is too slow`
`04:26.56`	`ProzaicMuze`	`Xp`
`04:26.56`	`ProzaicMuze`	`lazy`
`04:26.57`	`Triceron`	`it could`
`04:26.57`	`onetwo`	`d2 is too twitchy`
`04:27.00`	`Sixen`	`D1 > D2 imo`
`04:27.07`	`onetwo`	`d3 should be just right`
`04:27.09`	`Triceron`	`I've been playing lots of Monster Hunter tho, and I'm loving the pace of the game`
`04:27.11`	`Sixen`	`D3 > D1 > D2`
`04:27.17`	`Sixen`	`D2 is the redheaded stepchild.`
`04:27.23`	`onetwo`	`diablo 2 MF runs were fucking amazing though`
`04:27.25`	`onetwo`	`such an addiction`
`04:27.27`	`ProzaicMuze`	`Torchlight > D3 > D1 > D2`
`04:27.29`	`Sixen`	`Annoying as hell though`
`04:27.32`	`Sixen`	`Dude, TL was horribad`
`04:27.34`	`ProzaicMuze`	`Torchlight MMO > Torchlight > D3 > D1 > D2`
`04:27.35`	`Sixen`	`No multiplayer`
`04:27.42`	`Sixen`	`MMO isn't even in development yet`
`04:27.43`	`Sixen`	`:P`
`04:27.43`	`ProzaicMuze`	`multiplayer is on the way`
`04:27.46`	`ProzaicMuze`	`Yes, it is lol`
`04:27.48`	`Sixen`	`No, it's in TL2`
`04:27.49`	`Triceron`	`friend bought me Magicka`
`04:27.53`	`Triceron`	`haven't played it yet tho`
`04:27.56`	`Xapti`	`torchliht wasn't good`
`04:28.03`	`ProzaicMuze`	`Torchlight rapes your face`
`04:28.06`	`Xapti`	`well it was good but it wasn't great`
`04:28.07`	`ProzaicMuze`	`Just admit that you liked it`
`04:28.09`	`Triceron`	`Torchlight needs multiplayer`
`04:28.13`	`Triceron`	`when's 2 coming out?`
`04:28.17`	`Sixen`	`This summer`
`04:28.17`	`ProzaicMuze`	`"soon"`
`04:28.19`	`Xapti`	`it was just a clone completely uninnovative`
`04:28.26`	`onetwo`	`"to be eclipsed by d3 beta"`
`04:28.27`	`ProzaicMuze`	`That's not true at all`
`04:28.31`	`Xapti`	`and not as many features as games like titan question or diablo 2`
`04:28.35`	`ProzaicMuze`	`Torchlight created dynamic classes`
`04:28.41`	`Sixen`	`Uhm`
`04:28.52`	`ProzaicMuze`	`Each class had the potential to become multiple roles`
`04:28.53`	`Sixen`	`Yeah, the Barbarian, Demon Hunter, and WitchDoctor/Wizard`
`04:28.53`	`Triceron`	`I'm still not enamored by D3's classes tho`
`04:29.04`	`ProzaicMuze`	`D2 had very specific roles for each class`
`04:29.09`	`ProzaicMuze`	`and not at all Sixen`
`04:29.09`	`Triceron`	`I don't have a 'favourite' among them like I did for D2`
`04:29.15`	`Xapti`	`no i disagree proziacmuze`
`04:29.22`	`ProzaicMuze`	`The big guy was a tank, a DPS or a ranged caster`
`04:29.33`	`ProzaicMuze`	`the chic was a dual-wielder, ranged or a spell caster`
`04:29.45`	`ProzaicMuze`	`and the Wizard was a Minion Master, Spell Caster or Battlemage`
`04:29.50`	`ProzaicMuze`	`with hybrids of all of the above`
`04:30.09`	`ProzaicMuze`	`D2. . . you can't exactly make a tank out of most of the classes`
`04:30.29`	`Xapti`	`D2 you can have non-summoning necros`
`04:30.29`	`Triceron`	`D2 was about avoiding damage`
`04:30.34`	`Xapti`	`and non-hammerdin paladins`
`04:30.34`	`Triceron`	`esp after they nerfed life steal`
`04:30.39`	`Xapti`	`and non-zeal paladins`
`04:30.42`	`ProzaicMuze`	`lol`
`04:30.49`	`Xapti`	`but yes it is much more limited`
`04:30.52`	`Triceron`	`you had to pump points into survival stuff`
`04:30.54`	`ProzaicMuze`	`In other words non-one spell offshoots`
`04:30.56`	`Triceron`	`huge health pools`
`04:31.14`	`Triceron`	`I'm looking through all the caster builds`
`04:31.21`	`Triceron`	`and it's all like... vit vit vit vit vit.`
`04:31.28`	`Xapti`	`Torchlight giving the same style of abilities to each profession wasn't innovative though proziacmuze`
`04:31.31`	`Xapti`	`it's been done before`
`04:31.42`	`ProzaicMuze`	`They weren't the same style at all though`
`04:31.43`	`Xapti`	`so i'm not sure what the point you're trying to prove is`
`04:32.00`	`ProzaicMuze`	`each class tanked in a very different way, spell nuked differntly, ranged differently`
`04:32.06`	`Xapti`	`it's a clone game. the point you made doesn't change the fact that it's a clone`
`04:32.08`	`ProzaicMuze`	`Everythign has been done before`
`04:32.09`	`Saeris`	`i dunno, i'd have to disagree sixen, i liked TL's cautious approach, the only thing i didn't like about it was the lack of multiplayer but at the same time i'm glad they aren't rushing anything`
`04:32.21`	`Sixen`	`=\`
`04:32.23`	`Saeris`	`especially since the team was originally behind Hellgate London and that game was shit`
`04:32.25`	`ProzaicMuze`	`TL wasn't a clone of Diable at all`
`04:32.30`	`Sixen`	`If there was MP, I would have played the game.`
`04:32.38`	`ProzaicMuze`	`YOu just had features it adopted because they were good and then they rehashed the rest into functional parts`
`04:32.39`	`Triceron`	`I've heard good things of TL, but I'd never play it. Lacks multiplayer!`
`04:32.50`	`ProzaicMuze`	`MP in D2 was garbage`
`04:32.54`	`Triceron`	`I don't play those kind of games for its 'story' or anything.`
`04:32.57`	`Xapti`	`It's a complete clone of diablo's style. Have you not heard of the term "diablo clone" before?`
`04:32.58`	`ProzaicMuze`	`so why would TL suddenly be bad because it lacked MP?`
`04:33.07`	`ProzaicMuze`	`I only ever played SP in D2 because of how bad MP was`
`04:33.18`	`Triceron`	`well I didn't play D2 for its singleplayer, I can tell you that`
`04:33.22`	`ProzaicMuze`	`I have heard of the term, but diablo wasn't the first of its style`
`04:33.25`	`Xapti`	`yeah I didn't like MP in D2`
`04:33.31`	`ProzaicMuze`	`There were other games before diablo`
`04:33.32`	`Xapti`	`but that made me dislike D2 in energal`
`04:33.40`	`ProzaicMuze`	`Diablo was just the most well known of its type`
`04:33.53`	`Saeris`	`it's also nice that they released the game for cheap, because it wasn't a full game. they're really trying to ramp up to an MMO and no rush right in to it`
`04:33.58`	`ProzaicMuze`	`therefore people mistakenly assume Diablo set the standard for everything, when it fact it just improved upon the standard`
`04:34.05`	`ProzaicMuze`	`just like TL did wen compared to D2`
`04:34.19`	`Xapti`	`it wasn't just the most well-known`
`04:34.35`	`Xapti`	`it completely innovated any previous form of that game style, if not outright invented it`
`04:34.49`	`Triceron`	`if it didn't invent it, what did?`
`04:35.07`	`Saeris`	`what diablo?`
`04:35.19`	`Triceron`	`before Diablo, 3rd person isometric action RPGs were very sparce and far in between`
`04:35.24`	`Saeris`	`yes`
`04:35.25`	`Saeris`	`but`
`04:35.32`	`Saeris`	`it's essentially a Rogue-Like`
`04:35.35`	`Triceron`	`the closest thing was probably a action fantasy jrpg`
`04:35.41`	`Xapti`	`yeah it innovated the rogue-like style`
`04:35.45`	`Xapti`	`into it's own genre`
`04:35.46`	`Saeris`	`and there are hundreds of those`
`04:35.59`	`onetwo`	`action fantasy jpeg`
`04:36.04`	`onetwo`	`enjoy all 32 bits`
`04:36.06`	`Xapti`	`yeah but diablo is very different from rogue style`
`04:36.07`	`Saeris`	`in fact in the same era, you could say`
`04:36.18`	`Saeris`	`Arcanum and Nox were the other games just like Diablo 2`
`04:36.23`	`Saeris`	`but neither did nearly as well`
`04:36.32`	`ProzaicMuze`	`gimme a sec`
`04:36.34`	`Xapti`	`Nox had fantastic multiplayer but I disliked it's single player`
`04:36.36`	`Triceron`	`Nox was so badd.....`
`04:36.37`	`ProzaicMuze`	`there are 2 games that come to mind`
`04:36.50`	`Xapti`	`overall Nox was excellent due to it's replay value that IMO D2 didn't have`
`04:36.51`	`Saeris`	`i played both and i enjoyed both of them`
`04:36.59`	`Saeris`	`but diablo was just better for replayability's sake`
`04:37.00`	`onetwo`	`anyone want to play an action fantasy jpeg`
`04:37.03`	`onetwo`	`lf1m`
`04:37.09`	`Xapti`	`Nox had real PvP`
`04:37.10`	`onetwo`	`triceron you in?`
`04:37.12`	`Saeris`	`and that was the key to it's success`
`04:37.17`	`Bounty`	`Xapti`
`04:37.19`	`Bounty`	`Nox was the SHIT`
`04:37.21`	`Triceron`	`totally`
`04:37.24`	`Xapti`	`that's what give it it's replay value`
`04:37.26`	`Triceron`	`I love me some jpegs`
`04:37.33`	`onetwo`	`do you got windows photo gallery?`
`04:37.36`	`onetwo`	`let me add you`
`04:37.41`	`Triceron`	`oh shit, lemme install`
`04:37.42`	`Xapti`	`Diablo 2 had like no decent PvP at all`
`04:37.44`	`onetwo`	`whats your photo gall account?`
`04:37.46`	`Saeris`	`nox did have some good pvp`
`04:38.02`	`onetwo`	`mines hotgirl_@hotmail_callme.com`
`04:38.05`	`Saeris`	`i really miss that game to tell the truth`
`04:38.18`	`Xapti`	`yes I want a damn sequel`
`04:38.22`	`Xapti`	`EA killed westwood`
`04:38.27`	`Saeris`	`it'll never happen`
`04:38.28`	`Triceron`	`angelbabyz69@hotmale.com`
`04:38.30`	`Xapti`	`and killed Nox series alone with it`
`04:38.37`	`Xapti`	`I could care less about C&C`
`04:38.40`	`Saeris`	`that and command and conquer`
`04:38.46`	`Xapti`	`although it was a good game series none the less`
`04:38.48`	`onetwo`	`lol`
`04:38.51`	`Triceron`	`Westwood killed Westwood`
`04:38.53`	`Xapti`	`but just 20 times inferior to SC2`
`04:38.57`	`Xapti`	`SC2`
`04:39.00`	`Xapti`	`SC in general lol`
`04:39.06`	`Xapti`	`and WC3 even`
`04:39.16`	`Saeris`	`well`
`04:39.20`	`Xapti`	`although I had issues with melee mode WC3`
`04:39.31`	`Saeris`	`C&C and Red Alert were the best in the series and were both out before even WC2`
`04:39.33`	`Saeris`	`i think`
`04:39.40`	`Triceron`	`I loved WC3`
`04:39.45`	`Saeris`	`since then EA took over and destroyed that franchise`
`04:39.47`	`onetwo`	`hey question`
`04:39.52`	`onetwo`	`did they use opengl to do those 2d games`
`04:39.54`	`onetwo`	`like diablo`
`04:39.59`	`Triceron`	`I thought the hero system was awesome, though balance wasn't anywhere near as tight as SC`
`04:40.02`	`onetwo`	`or just display images sequentially on layers`
`04:40.06`	`onetwo`	`through some other system`
`04:40.11`	`onetwo`	`i know opengl can do 2d`
`04:40.14`	`onetwo`	`sprites`
`04:40.18`	`Triceron`	`doubt opengl was used`
`04:40.21`	`Triceron`	`none of it was 3d`
`04:40.30`	`Saeris`	`nope`
`04:40.33`	`Saeris`	`direct 3d`
`04:40.36`	`onetwo`	`ah`
`04:40.37`	`Saeris`	`and directdraw`
`04:40.39`	`Saeris`	`for D2`
`04:40.46`	`Saeris`	`ollllld shit`
`04:40.55`	`onetwo`	`id hate to see what games these days have in their opengl loop`
`04:40.59`	`onetwo`	`for like crysis 2`
`04:41.08`	`onetwo`	`gl_lookSexy();`
`04:41.10`	`onetwo`	`lol`
`04:41.38`	`Triceron`	`man, I miss warcraft 2`
`04:41.43`	`Triceron`	`back to modelling!`
`04:41.49`	`Xapti`	`I was hopeing for a Nox mod for SC2`
`04:41.50`	`onetwo`	`kk`
`04:41.57`	`Saeris`	`lol`
`04:42.00`	`Xapti`	`but the latency seems way too terrible to get even close`
`04:42.04`	`Saeris`	`nox mod for sc2`
`04:42.05`	`Saeris`	`that would be excellent`
`04:42.16`	`Xapti`	`Nox complete twitch game`
`04:42.20`	`Saeris`	`maybe if D3 ships with authoring tools`
`04:42.24`	`Saeris`	`that would be godly`
`04:42.26`	`onetwo`	`yah`
`04:42.29`	`onetwo`	`prolly not`
`04:42.30`	`Xapti`	`D3 won't`
`04:42.42`	`Saeris`	`TL2 will`
`04:42.44`	`Xapti`	`maybe Nox mod will work when LAN is cracked`
`04:42.47`	`Saeris`	`but their editor sucks imo`
`04:43.51`	`Triceron`	`I doubt D3 will have tools`
`04:44.28`	`Triceron`	`they never really cared for that game to be modded, unlike their RTS where they actually have a vested interest in`
`04:44.36`	`Xapti`	`yeah`
`04:44.59`	`Xapti`	`Blizzard is so close to just making a multiplayer game editor`
`04:45.09`	`Xapti`	`ifthey tweaked SC2 editor up some more`
`04:45.21`	`Triceron`	`what do you mean by that?`
`04:45.46`	`Triceron`	`like... multiple people working in the same editor?`
`04:46.14`	`Xapti`	`I mean using the editor to make games that are more diverse in style than SC2 editor offers`
`04:46.24`	`onetwo`	`its already insanely powerful`
`04:46.34`	`Xapti`	`like one of the main issues right now (which they might get to soon) is dealing with mouse/keyboard input lag`
`04:46.43`	`Xapti`	`and overall game lag`
`04:46.52`	`Xapti`	`and by soon I mean eventually in a long time`
`04:48.03`	`Xapti`	`And other features such as true XYZ engine`
`04:48.28`	`Triceron`	`it's pretty damned confusing already, I think you're asking for it to be more confusing. I want them to streamline it for noobs!`
`04:48.41`	`Xapti`	`lol`
`04:49.02`	`Xapti`	`The main issue I have with the confusion is all the different type of things that aren't documented`
`04:49.26`	`Triceron`	`things seem so.. trial and error :P`
`04:49.51`	`Triceron`	`I wish there was a wiki that was easy to decipher :P`
`04:50.07`	`Xapti`	`like all the different attributes that aren't explained, and attributes for attributes, and the different types of a element (like all the different types of actors, different types of effects)`
`04:50.38`	`Triceron`	`yup`
`04:50.42`	`Saeris`	`well`
`04:50.55`	`Saeris`	`GE is just another iteration on the WC3 engine`
`04:51.03`	`Saeris`	`which was modified to make the WoW engine`
`04:51.16`	`Xapti`	`it was modded for wow?`
`04:51.25`	`Saeris`	`yep`
`04:51.29`	`Triceron`	`like I'd want to do something simple like reduce collision size on a unit, and I'd end up having to go through 5 different attributes and a footprint on top of it all to make it work right. Like, it's nice to have all that control, but it's waaay too crazy.`
`04:51.38`	`onetwo`	`yeh i agree on that one`
`04:51.46`	`onetwo`	`most people dont need that fine tune control`
`04:51.51`	`onetwo`	`we just want a simple field`
`04:52.14`	`Saeris`	`the thing is, the difference between SC2 and WoW in terms of input lag`
`04:52.19`	`Saeris`	`is the server code`
`04:52.32`	`Xapti`	`some control is available but doesn't even work, that's really annoying`
`04:52.49`	`Saeris`	`blizzard has said the server is set up in a specific way that's causing all the input lag we have right now`
`04:52.53`	`Saeris`	`and it may or may not be fixed`
`04:52.55`	`Triceron`	`btw onetwo, awesome tutorial videos`
`04:53.02`	`Saeris`	`because it's there for some sort of balance reason`
`04:53.10`	`onetwo`	`lol thx`
`04:53.18`	`Triceron`	`I've been looking at your video on the WoW-like interface, and it's exactly what I needed`
`04:53.29`	`Triceron`	`I'll be attempting it once I figure out what the hell I need to do`
`04:53.31`	`onetwo`	`oh cool`
`04:53.35`	`onetwo`	`beware on my old tutorials`
`04:53.42`	`onetwo`	`things in data are quite differently origanized`
`04:53.48`	`Triceron`	`I wanna play around with a camera angle that's tight in`
`04:54.02`	`Triceron`	`for my new models, something that doesn't make em look like dots on the screen`
`04:54.08`	`onetwo`	`lol`
`04:55.40`	`Triceron`	`my plan is to make a pseudo Warcraft 2 RPG map, where you play WoW-style going through a mission.`
`04:56.12`	`Saeris`	`overall, blizzard is probably looking in to making Battle.net a direct competitor to Steam, and really to bank on that they should truly support a well-documented editor, much like the Source Engine`
`04:56.28`	`Triceron`	`I want them to push the map market >_<`
`04:56.33`	`onetwo`	`although if you try and make a mod in hl2`
`04:56.37`	`onetwo`	`gl reading valves code`
`04:56.40`	`onetwo`	`i found it difficult`
`04:56.49`	`onetwo`	`i dont buy into the fact that good code warrants no comments`
`04:56.55`	`Triceron`	`people are making a killing off of TF2 hats tho`
`04:57.06`	`Saeris`	`yea`
`04:57.11`	`Saeris`	`i mean`
`04:57.14`	`Saeris`	`if you look in to it`
`04:57.24`	`Triceron`	`tbh, source is ollld tho`
`04:57.30`	`Saeris`	`most of the core people at valve were programmers at like, microsoft`
`04:57.39`	`Triceron`	`and it's been given a lot of time before they pushed Steam to support it.`
`04:57.48`	`Saeris`	`so i don't think their coding practices are that great for gaming or open source`
`04:57.54`	`Saeris`	`but they try and i like that`
`04:57.57`	`onetwo`	`ah`
`04:58.10`	`onetwo`	`well im ready for half life 3`
`04:58.11`	`Triceron`	`Source is as old as War3`
`04:58.14`	`onetwo`	`valve dota was a mistake imo`
`04:58.26`	`Triceron`	`I think they're finding that out the hard way`
`04:58.28`	`onetwo`	`itll appeal to lowest common denominator`
`04:58.30`	`onetwo`	`of course`
`04:58.33`	`onetwo`	`like summer blockbusters`
`04:58.43`	`Triceron`	`everyone working on that project is Icefrog's bitch`
`04:58.59`	`onetwo`	`:(`
`04:59.52`	`Triceron`	`no offense to anyone here working on that project`
`04:59.58`	`Xapti`	`getting mouse location in SC2 is still laggy righ?`
`05:00.48`	`Triceron`	`does Crush Company still lag?`
`05:00.55`	`Triceron`	`it's all keyboard input?`
`05:01.15`	`onetwo`	`its a bit laggy`
`05:01.17`	`onetwo`	`but not much worse`
`05:02.15`	`onetwo`	`i made this brilliant post`
`05:02.18`	`onetwo`	`that everyone ignored`
`05:02.19`	`onetwo`	`http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/triggers/20388-diablo-style-mouse-tracking/#p1`
`05:02.20`	`Saeris`	`i'd really like to work at valve some day too, if i couldn't work at blizzard`
`05:02.28`	`onetwo`	`compares doing 2 methods of mouse detection`
`05:02.30`	`Triceron`	`GL`
`05:02.32`	`onetwo`	`both proved relatively similar lag`
`05:03.35`	`Saeris`	`yea i know chances are pretty slim, but it's a goal to work up to`
`05:08.55`	`Saeris`	`overall the best thing about valve's approach to business, at least from our standpoint, is we're the kind of people they look for when they hire`
`05:09.04`	`onetwo`	`yeah`
`05:09.41`	`Saeris`	`and they're no strangers to hiring indy teams right out of college if they think they have a good idea`
`05:09.46`	`Saeris`	`just look at portal 1 and 2`
`05:10.06`	`Saeris`	`all the gels in portal 2 came from another indy game`
`05:10.43`	`Triceron`	`well they just put a good spin on it`
`05:11.04`	`Triceron`	`but it's nothing different from the same ol 'buying out' 'selling out' that happens in the industry`
`05:11.26`	`Triceron`	`it just sounds nicer when Valve's doing it :P`
`05:12.12`	`Saeris`	`i guess maybe?`
`05:12.12`	`Triceron`	`mostly cuz they won't retardate the games they acquire`
`05:12.13`	`Saeris`	`i mean`
`05:12.16`	`Saeris`	`in both of those cases`
`05:12.24`	`Saeris`	`it was a student project at a local game design school`
`05:12.31`	`Saeris`	`they were basically scouted out and hired`
`05:12.36`	`Saeris`	`for what they were doing`
`05:12.43`	`Saeris`	`as a class project`
`05:12.44`	`Triceron`	`if they say got the talent who made Counterstrike, and made a bad counterstrike, then it'd be a different story wouldn't it?`
`05:13.21`	`Mephs`	`that ran a lot longer than I wanted it to`
`05:13.42`	`Triceron`	`well it's only so apparant because Portal was hyped up, given crazy good production value and brought to the mainstream and was a success. This kinda stuff still does happen, but not to the same degree`
`05:13.46`	`Mephs`	`VOD is up on the livestream channel I believe`
`05:14.07`	`Saeris`	`meh i dunno`
`05:14.33`	`Saeris`	`portal 1 was meant to be a throwaway title, most people forget this`
`05:14.41`	`Saeris`	`it wasn't hyped, it was just tacked on to the orange box`
`05:15.02`	`Saeris`	`they didn't at all plan for it's success`
`05:15.20`	`Triceron`	`well viral is still hype`
`05:15.32`	`Saeris`	`the viral portion of it came after release`
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`05:24.31`	`Stewox`	`hello!`
`05:25.03`	`Triceron`	`Ahoy`
`05:25.55`	`Stewox`	`what's time in US?`
`05:29.37`	`Saeris`	`10:30ish`
`05:29.41`	`Saeris`	`for pacific`
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`06:19.00`	`Xapti`	`I suppose one can't call the "mouse moved x" "mouse position" in triggers that haven't used the "mouse moved" event right`
`06:19.12`	`Xapti`	`*(mouse position) not "mouse position"`
`06:20.55`	`Xapti`	`I think it's dumb that the only way mouse position can be called is if you have an event triggering every time the mouse moves`
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`06:32.39`	`Xapti`	`freaking insane... game queries mouse position like 50 times a second`
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`06:34.03`	`Xapti`	`67 to be more exact`
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`06:39.17`	`Bounty`	`New Project Avatars video :)`
`06:39.20`	`Bounty`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKXS6UHYvP0`
`07:00.05`	`Xapti`	`how are controls done in that map`
`07:03.10`	`Xapti`	`like movement`
`07:03.14`	`Xapti`	`I can't see the mouse in the video`
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`09:22.55`	`Mexa_`	`hi.`
`09:24.09`	`Helral\|Work`	`meow`
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`09:47.57`	`Obatztrara`	`Is there a way to look a a function of blizzard? Id like to look at their implementation of the store unit in bank function..`
`09:49.37`	`Mexa_`	`If you mean looking at their source code of how galaxy is managed, then no.`
`09:50.19`	`Obatztrara`	`I just want to see their galaxy implementation of the function, not how its compiled/handled`
`09:50.28`	`Obatztrara`	`is that possible? .<`
`09:50.31`	`Obatztrara`	`:<*`
`09:50.37`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`hmm`
`09:50.37`	`Mexa_`	`So, the galaxy native?`
`09:50.46`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`those should be available?`
`09:50.53`	`Obatztrara`	`I think so mexa`
`09:51.08`	`Mexa_`	`DataTableSetUnit(bool globa, string label, unit u)`
`09:51.12`	`Mexa_`	`Or something like that`
`09:51.15`	`Mexa_`	`*global`
`09:51.29`	`Obatztrara`	`ah no, I saw that`
`09:51.48`	`Obatztrara`	`I want to see the implementation of that`
`09:51.50`	`Mexa_`	`You can't look any further than that`
`09:51.54`	`Obatztrara`	`darn`
`09:51.59`	`Mexa_`	`Bceuase it is c++ from the other end`
`09:52.05`	`Mexa_`	`And they would not want to reveal it`
`09:52.10`	`Obatztrara`	`>:(`
`09:52.46`	`Zoxc`	`you can look at the assembly =P`
`09:53.03`	`Mexa_`	`right... yay assemblies :>`
`09:53.05`	`Mexa_`	`lols`
`09:53.18`	`Obatztrara`	`lol`
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`09:54.35`	`Mexa_`	`Speaking of that.. I find it rediculous that rollercoaster tycoon was for most of the code written in x86 assembly <.<`
`09:54.43`	`Mexa_`	`*was'`
`09:55.03`	`Mexa_`	`And how the hell did Chris Sawyer even bother with it...`
`09:55.33`	`Obatztrara`	`what the fuck...`
`09:55.37`	`Obatztrara`	`who does that -_-`
`09:55.53`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`well wasnt large portions of Quake also written in assembly?`
`09:56.20`	`Mexa_`	`really? :v`
`09:56.24`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`ay`
`09:56.31`	`Mexa_`	`damn.. lol`
`09:56.35`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`back then they had to in order to get more efficient`
`09:57.00`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`unfortunately i dont have the article in which carmack said that, but it was in a magazine I had :p`
`09:57.10`	`Mexa_`	`Still, regarding the Chris Sawyer case, he used C to interact with the UI and windows system`
`09:57.23`	`Mexa_`	`But come on, coding physics like that in assembly?`
`09:57.31`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Why not! :p`
`09:57.53`	`Mexa_`	`Was too tideous for my liking :>`
`09:57.58`	`Mexa_`	`*way`
`09:58.20`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`btw, exactly what behind storing units are you interested in`
`09:58.29`	`Obatztrara`	`Well`
`09:58.47`	`Obatztrara`	`blizz saves the abilties that a unit has learned with their implemented ability learning system`
`09:58.59`	`Obatztrara`	`but somehow the restore bank function fails to restore the abilties`
`09:59.14`	`Obatztrara`	`so I want to recreate the function..only working _>`
`09:59.16`	`Mexa_`	`oh, the bank does not save the unit's reference`
`09:59.20`	`Mexa_`	`While the datatable does`
`09:59.25`	`Mexa_`	`So no information is lost`
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`10:00.13`	`Mexa_`	`Restoring a unit with banks only take in considerations of certain values, like health, shield and mana`
`10:00.22`	`Obatztrara`	`sec`
`10:00.34`	`Mexa_`	`AfaIk,`
`10:00.50`	`Obatztrara`	`this is the saved unit`
`10:00.51`	`Obatztrara`	`http://pastebin.com/gE08E377`
`10:01.10`	`Obatztrara`	`as you can see it saves the abilties..even corretly`
`10:01.14`	`Obatztrara`	`but it wont restore them`
`10:01.22`	`Mexa_`	`Oooh okay`
`10:01.32`	`Mexa_`	`I was wrong about that then`
`10:01.59`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`file bug!`
`10:02.04`	`Obatztrara`	`:<`
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`10:07.02`	`Helral\|Work`	`Obatztrara: did you try preloading the unit?`
`10:07.23`	`Helral\|Work`	`maybe it is only bugged if the unit is not preloaded orso ;p`
`10:07.26`	`Obatztrara`	`hm nope. I'll try`
`10:07.54`	`Helral\|Work`	`well preloading the unit type ;p`
`10:08.25`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Helral\|Work: you seem to "work" as much as I did when "working"!`
`10:08.31`	`Helral\|Work`	`:)`
`10:08.36`	`Helral\|Work`	`almost break time.`
`10:08.37`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`approves`
`10:08.40`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`n1`
`10:08.45`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`I should make some coffee`
`10:08.47`	`Helral\|Work`	`also try preloading the abilities ;p`
`10:08.49`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Want some?`
`10:08.55`	`Helral\|Work`	`I don't drink coffee ;p`
`10:09.04`	`Helral\|Work`	`but I do drain lots of bottles of cola ;p`
`10:09.15`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`I have awesome lemonade`
`10:09.26`	`Helral\|Work`	`so have I ;p`
`10:09.33`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Fine :p`
`10:10.33`	`Helral\|Work`	`Obatztrara: Preloading abilities --> Preload Object --> Catalog Abilities, Ability Name. :)`
`10:10.42`	`Obatztrara`	`:o`
`10:10.47`	`Helral\|Work`	`in case just preloading the unit doesn't work ;p`
`10:11.12`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`~seen Dustin`
`10:11.17`	`purl`	`dustin <dustin.hen@ip72-209-158-12.ks.ks.cox.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 23d 5h 42m 31s ago, saying: 'Protip: Don't use mac'.`
`10:11.19`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`~seen Dustin-`
`10:11.19`	`purl`	`HP-X\|Arthas: i haven't seen 'dustin-'`
`10:11.50`	`Helral\|Work`	`Obatztrara: lemme know the result of these tests in combination with loading of an unit ;p`
`10:11.50`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`bah`
`10:12.11`	`Obatztrara`	`Helral could you post the catalog request for the abilites? havent done any catalogs in a long time D:`
`10:12.27`	`Helral\|Work`	`at Catalogs pick Abilities.`
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`10:12.45`	`Helral\|Work`	`and Identifier use LearnAbilityMechanic`
`10:13.13`	`Helral\|Work`	`just as it was listed at the XML from the bank ;p`
`10:14.18`	`Obatztrara`	`when preloading objext I can actually choose to preload abilties`
`10:14.24`	`Obatztrara`	`objects*`
`10:15.44`	`Obatztrara`	`didnt work =/`
`10:15.47`	`Helral\|Work`	`you get something like: Preload LearnAbilityMechanic in Abilities Immediately`
`10:15.52`	`Helral\|Work`	`:(`
`10:15.56`	`Obatztrara`	`The abiltiy loading didnt work, the preloading did think`
`10:16.03`	`Obatztrara`	`yea`
`10:16.05`	`Obatztrara`	`thats what I used`
`10:16.27`	`Helral\|Work`	`hmmm which ability is listed in that learn ability at 2,2?`
`10:17.39`	`Dresnia`	`I AM DRESNIA`
`10:17.44`	`Dresnia`	`ALL HAIL YOUR KING`
`10:17.52`	`Obatztrara`	`Uhm wont help you i think: Learn Repair`
`10:18.11`	`Obatztrara`	`The LearnAbilityMechanix has 5 learning abilties`
`10:18.25`	`Helral\|Work`	`try preloading them all ;p`
`10:18.27`	`Obatztrara`	`which all show up correctly in the bank file when learned`
`10:18.46`	`Obatztrara`	`I dunno...I dont access the bank file at initialization...`
`10:19.02`	`Obatztrara`	`oh well`
`10:19.04`	`Obatztrara`	`gonna try`
`10:19.57`	`Helral\|Work`	`and after that post a bug report to blizzard with the fact that the stored abilities aren't restored upon restore unit from bank, and add the result of these tests ;p`
`10:20.29`	`Obatztrara`	`Im actually kinda worried that theres not a single post about this in the forums`
`10:20.40`	`Helral\|Work`	`prolly cause nobody tested it yet ;p`
`10:21.03`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`all ppl do are td`
`10:21.04`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`bah`
`10:21.08`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`except for helral`
`10:21.10`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`he just works`
`10:21.27`	`Helral\|Work`	`meow?`
`10:22.06`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`woof`
`10:22.13`	`Helral\|Work`	`meow!`
`10:22.33`	`Mexa_`	`squeek`
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`10:22.45`	`Helral\|Work`	`pets the squirrel`
`10:23.05`	`Mexa_`	`wait, a swquirl?`
`10:23.09`	`Mexa_`	`*squirrel`
`10:23.12`	`Helral\|Work`	`lol`
`10:23.18`	`Helral\|Work`	`was it supposed to be a mouse then?`
`10:23.20`	`Helral\|Work`	`;p`
`10:23.27`	`Mexa_`	`hmm`
`10:23.46`	`Dresnia`	`a bird`
`10:23.47`	`Mexa_`	`Yeah, squirrel will due`
`10:23.55`	`Helral\|Work`	`lol`
`10:23.59`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`cats kill squirells`
`10:24.01`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`:O`
`10:24.20`	`Mexa_`	`but you patted me :(`
`10:24.23`	`Dresnia`	`cas kill all`
`10:24.26`	`Dresnia`	`cats*`
`10:24.30`	`Dresnia`	`they spread aids`
`10:24.32`	`Mexa_`	`petted*`
`10:24.36`	`Dresnia`	`OH about cats`
`10:24.39`	`Dresnia`	`I found this today`
`10:24.45`	`Dresnia`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vm31xBjfMNY`
`10:24.53`	`Dresnia`	`don't mess with his smokes`
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`10:25.26`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`hahahaha`
`10:25.30`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`video wins`
`10:25.35`	`Dresnia`	`:D`
`10:25.42`	`Obatztrara`	`cats are pretty awsome :D`
`10:25.43`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`it's acting like me`
`10:25.50`	`Helral\|Work`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=995hevxIiFA <--`
`10:25.51`	`Mexa_`	`lol, the cigarette`
`10:26.21`	`Helral\|Work`	`pets squirrel`
`10:26.23`	`Dresnia`	`My cat died :-(`
`10:26.31`	`Dresnia`	`internet keeps reminding me :-(`
`10:26.46`	`Dresnia`	`And my gerbil died 2 days ago aswell :o`
`10:26.53`	`Dresnia`	`but it was 1 year older then he should have been`
`10:26.55`	`Dresnia`	`so RIP`
`10:26.58`	`Mexa_`	`lol, the squirl`
`10:26.59`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Helral\|Work:`
`10:27.03`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`that cat is doing it wrong`
`10:27.13`	`Helral\|Work`	`why?`
`10:27.14`	`Dresnia`	`http://gerbilfokkerijgizmo.loggy.nl/files/gerbil.jpg`
`10:27.17`	`Dresnia`	`thats a gerbil btw`
`10:27.20`	`Dresnia`	`FYI`
`10:27.21`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`He didnt eeat the squirell`
`10:27.23`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`squirells are food`
`10:27.40`	`Dresnia`	`actually squirells are cute but very deadly, they spread shitloads of diseases`
`10:27.53`	`Dresnia`	`they are the new 'rats'`
`10:28.12`	`Dresnia`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUwW_3eWJts&NR=1 HAHAHA`
`10:28.18`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`watched the cigarette cat 5 times now lol`
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`10:28.39`	`Mexa_`	`me too`
`10:28.40`	`Mexa_`	`xD`
`10:28.58`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Dresnia: the last one made me think of the "mime-on-mime crimes"-scene in the new family guy :D`
`10:29.02`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`adorable`
`10:29.16`	`Mexa_`	`oh you cats.`
`10:29.22`	`Mexa_`	`Makes me on a good move`
`10:29.25`	`Mexa_`	`*mood`
`10:29.31`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`yup :D`
`10:29.37`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`i love the ninja cat though`
`10:29.42`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`old video but still`
`10:29.54`	`Dresnia`	`Yeah all these adorable movies make me motivated to waste another day of my life sitting behind my desktop`
`10:29.56`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzzjgBAaWZw`
`10:29.57`	`Dresnia`	`Good times`
`10:29.57`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`that one`
`10:30.02`	`Mexa_`	`haha the one the camera guy hides behind the wall and peeks out right?`
`10:30.05`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Yeah`
`10:30.18`	`Mexa_`	`Yeah :D`
`10:30.32`	`Dresnia`	`hahahaha`
`10:30.52`	`Dresnia`	`lol funny`
`10:30.56`	`Dresnia`	`didn't see it yet`
`10:31.03`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Now you have!`
`10:31.05`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`:D`
`10:31.26`	`Dresnia`	`<< spamming facebook with kittuns`
`10:31.49`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NLoSiT2rC8`
`10:31.54`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`also awesome :D`
`10:32.26`	`Dresnia`	`lol`
`10:32.37`	`Mexa_`	`lol yeah`
`10:32.58`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3U0udLH974&feature=related`
`10:33.00`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`and that one`
`10:33.13`	`Dresnia`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwssjTD7B8E rofl`
`10:33.18`	`Dresnia`	`the raping squirrel`
`10:33.21`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`So to summarize the last 10 minutes - Cats are AWESOME`
`10:33.24`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`lol whut`
`10:34.24`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`hahaha`
`10:34.32`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Hey you`
`10:34.34`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Listen`
`10:34.35`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`listen`
`10:34.37`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`feeder is empty`
`10:34.39`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`hey you`
`10:34.51`	`Dresnia`	`=DD`
`10:34.52`	`Obatztrara`	`nash would go crazy if he saw this`
`10:34.52`	`Mexa_`	`lols`
`10:35.03`	`Mexa_`	`Agreed`
`10:35.25`	`Dresnia`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZSbC09qgLI&feature=related`
`10:35.28`	`Dresnia`	`DAAAAAW`
`10:35.30`	`Mexa_`	`Afk, need some coffee!`
`10:35.32`	`Dresnia`	`cuddle worthy`
`10:35.35`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Dresnia: soon`
`10:35.42`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`watching smoking kitten again!`
`10:35.48`	`Dresnia`	`:D`
`10:36.17`	`Mexa_`	`You know what's also cute? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAKroNeQhf0`
`10:36.30`	`Mexa_`	`the ears makes it extra cute`
`10:36.32`	`Mexa_`	`:3`
`10:36.58`	`Helral\|Work`	`meow`
`10:37.08`	`Helral\|Work`	`~seen Helral`
`10:37.09`	`purl`	`helral <~Helral.EU@217-19-26-88.dsl.cambrium.nl> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 4d 17h 40m 4s ago, saying: 'btw: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13276752/UIGen%20screenshot.png <-- updated to match which stuff I'm already sortof correctly generating ;p'.`
`10:37.11`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Mexa_: indeed :D`
`10:37.18`	`Dresnia`	`~seen Zyff`
`10:37.19`	`purl`	`zyff <~Dresnia@d51A4F206.access.telenet.be> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 12d 22h 8m 58s ago, saying: ':)'.`
`10:37.28`	`Dresnia`	`:) he said !`
`10:37.37`	`Dresnia`	`~Zyff`
`10:37.37`	`purl`	`from memory, zyff is Dresnia`
`10:37.40`	`Dresnia`	`FYI ^`
`10:37.40`	`Helral\|Work`	`lol that was an old one... been almost 5d since I've used my nick without the \|....`
`10:37.42`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lvzg0NplkLE`
`10:37.46`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`desertfox and a cat :D`
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`10:37.55`	`Helral\|Work`	`~seen Helral\|Afk`
`10:37.56`	`purl`	`helral\|afk is currently on #sc2mapster. Has said a total of 111 messages. Is idling for 13h 1m 56s, last said: 'I'm off anyway ;p cya later'.`
`10:38.05`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`~seen Arthas`
`10:38.06`	`purl`	`arthas <~dasd@ip3-100.bon.riksnet.se> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 193d 17h 42m 12s ago, saying: 'the self preservation code is out of order!'.`
`10:38.18`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Funny, I don't remember saying that`
`10:38.21`	`Dresnia`	`lol`
`10:38.29`	`Dresnia`	`MAYBE cus it almost a year ago`
`10:38.33`	`Dresnia`	`JUST an idea`
`10:38.34`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`:)`
`10:38.37`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`~seen Arthas-`
`10:38.37`	`purl`	`arthas- <~dasd@ip3-100.bon.riksnet.se> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 163d 21m 6s ago, saying: ':\|'.`
`10:38.44`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`That I remember!`
`10:38.46`	`Helral\|Work`	`~seen HP-X\|Arthas`
`10:38.46`	`purl`	`hp-x\|arthas is currently on #sc2mapster. Has said a total of 66 messages. Is idling for 2s, last said: 'That I remember!'.`
`10:38.50`	`Helral\|Work`	`;p`
`10:38.51`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`I was like :\| that day, not enough cats`
`10:39.00`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`~seen HP-X`
`10:39.01`	`purl`	`hp-x <dv07lfk@salt.cs.umu.se> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 406d 12h 31m 18s ago, saying: 'so, cracking the terrain formats looks like you guys did some neat progress'.`
`10:39.12`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`That is old`
`10:39.13`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`:D`
`10:39.14`	`Dresnia`	`wtf`
`10:39.15`	`Helral\|Work`	`~seen SC2mapsterkitten`
`10:39.16`	`purl`	`sc2mapsterkitten <~BenZegvel@217-19-26-88.dsl.cambrium.nl> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 98d 17h 10m 13s ago, saying: ':)'.`
`10:39.20`	`Dresnia`	`your hear since start then ? :`
`10:39.28`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Since aloooooong time ago`
`10:39.30`	`Helral\|Work`	`~seen SC2nappingkitten`
`10:39.31`	`purl`	`sc2nappingkitten <~BenZegvel@217-19-26-88.dsl.cambrium.nl> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 141d 25m 48s ago, saying: 'Iglo!'.`
`10:39.32`	`Dresnia`	`here* lol`
`10:39.39`	`Helral\|Work`	`Iglo! .... lol`
`10:39.39`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`way before editor :p`
`10:39.44`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`~seen hyarion`
`10:39.44`	`purl`	`hyarion <c05ben@peppar.cs.umu.se> was last seen on IRC in channel #brlcad, 47d 20h 28m 47s ago, saying: 'hi'.`
`10:39.55`	`Dresnia`	`so HP-X\|Arthas what you working on now then ?`
`10:39.56`	`Helral\|Work`	`~seen purl`
`10:39.56`	`purl`	`purl is currently on #casualti (2d 6h 18m 9s) #linuxfund (2d 6h 18m 9s) #waruidev (2d 6h 18m 9s) #how (2d 6h 18m 9s) #sc2mapster (2d 6h 18m 9s) #edev (2d 6h 18m 9s) #fossfund (2d 6h 18m 9s) #hosernet (2d 6h 18m 9s) #norganna (2d 6h 18m 9s) #ud (2d 6h 18m 9s) ##ducleague (2d 6h 18m 9s) ##kierra (2d 6h 18m 9s) #dbgc (2d 6h 18m 9s) #dub (2d 6h 18m ...`
`10:39.58`	`Dresnia`	`I don't know you`
`10:40.00`	`Dresnia`	`yet your active ;p`
`10:40.06`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Dresnia: Nothing :)`
`10:40.10`	`Dresnia`	`Oh ? :(`
`10:40.15`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Im going to pick up some work when my studies are done though`
`10:40.19`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`and when im unemployed :p`
`10:40.23`	`Dresnia`	`=p`
`10:40.28`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`ie in 2-3 weeks`
`10:40.37`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`but dustin doesnt seem to be around`
`10:41.06`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`btw, what happened to nic?`
`10:41.12`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`and what happened to the work on mwe?`
`10:41.37`	`*** join/#sc2mapster SirDemon (~Alma@line-19036.dyn.kponet.fi)`
`10:41.38`	`Helral\|Work`	`last time I heard was that nothing got done on it since retail went live.`
`10:41.51`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`thats a shame`
`10:42.01`	`Dresnia`	`mwe ?`
`10:42.07`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`MilkyWay editor`
`10:42.16`	`Dresnia`	`hmmm`
`10:42.20`	`Dresnia`	`model stuff right ?`
`10:42.22`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Fun fact, first working terrain editor was on a mac!`
`10:42.29`	`Dresnia`	`I remember using MilkyWay a year of 7-8 ago`
`10:42.35`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`well, at the current state MWE is more data editor`
`10:42.40`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`for sc2 maps`
`10:42.46`	`Dresnia`	`ah`
`10:42.55`	`Dresnia`	`So far the original editor is plenty imo`
`10:43.00`	`Dresnia`	`I only do terrain though :p`
`10:43.14`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Then the original is prolly the best :p`
`10:43.35`	`Dresnia`	`but even Data / Triggers looks fine imo`
`10:43.49`	`Dresnia`	`I don't see much activity stating I should look into something 'better' so`
`10:44.00`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Hati (~kvirc@vpnsh0017.fh-trier.de)`
`10:44.22`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`its the hati!`
`10:44.27`	`Mexa_`	`smwe was better with galaxy support tho wasn't it?`
`10:44.32`	`Mexa_`	`*mwe`
`10:44.34`	`*** mode/#sc2mapster [+v Hati] by ChanServ`
`10:44.35`	`Hati`	`meh`
`10:44.38`	`Helral\|Work`	`meow`
`10:45.04`	`Dresnia`	`slaps Hati around a bit with a large trout`
`10:45.11`	`Hati`	`: (`
`10:45.17`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Hati sucks at greeting people`
`10:45.32`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`"meh" - I can hear him sigh from his side of the internet!`
`10:45.37`	`Helral\|Work`	`lol`
`10:45.57`	`Dresnia`	`Hati hail the king`
`10:46.01`	`Dresnia`	`HAIL TO THE KING`
`10:46.04`	`Hati`	`bab`
`10:46.04`	`Hati`	`y`
`10:46.17`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Still waiting for my collectors edition! :p`
`10:46.28`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`btw, anyone attending blizzcon this year for free d3 beta key? :p`
`10:46.36`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`"free"`
`10:46.45`	`Dresnia`	`if I wasn't a EU fag I would`
`10:46.46`	`Dresnia`	`lol`
`10:46.53`	`Hati`	`d3 beta is surely already over at blizzcon :P`
`10:46.56`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Welcome to the club`
`10:47.07`	`Helral\|Work`	`If I wasn't an EU kitten I would ;p`
`10:47.08`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`hati noooo`
`10:47.14`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`they have to remove the autostats system first`
`10:47.15`	`Dresnia`	`+ a recent post was up of a open beta starting 'Soon'`
`10:47.16`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`then beta!`
`10:47.17`	`Hati`	`otherwise ppl wouldn't go there because being busy to play`
`10:47.59`	`Dresnia`	`I AM GOING NOW`
`10:48.05`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Dresnia: wherE?`
`10:48.11`	`Dresnia`	`I've got no fucking idea`
`10:48.14`	`Dresnia`	`real life`
`10:48.18`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`lol`
`10:48.19`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`so`
`10:48.20`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`the tv`
`10:48.25`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`to watch todays batch of series`
`10:48.27`	`Helral\|Work`	`omg not RL.... don't tell me it is true....`
`10:48.36`	`Dresnia`	`gonna measure some cables outside for planning my electricity works in a few weeks :P`
`10:48.39`	`Helral\|Work`	`RL exists????? omg that cannot be, shadows move where light should be .....`
`10:48.42`	`Dresnia`	`so I can go buy more stuff if needed`
`10:48.53`	`Dresnia`	`and smoke while measuring`
`10:48.58`	`Dresnia`	`then poop and drink stuff`
`10:49.06`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`go on`
`10:49.06`	`Dresnia`	`so yeah my life is awesome right`
`10:49.24`	`Dresnia`	`I want bloody PSN Store online :(`
`10:49.36`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`im going to move my eyes from this monitor to the one right of it and continue to read what I was reading before (soon, not yet!)`
`10:49.43`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`screw sony :p`
`10:49.57`	`Dresnia`	`http://www.gametrailers.com/video/trial-gameplay-ghostbusters-sanctum/712149`
`10:50.03`	`Dresnia`	`that looks so funny lol`
`10:50.13`	`Dresnia`	`I buy the most awesome PSN games !`
`10:50.19`	`Mexa_`	`I like how the stupid gossip newspaper over here said "Diablo 3 releases this year" as a headline.`
`10:50.36`	`Mexa_`	`And then in the end of the article it says: No date announced`
`10:50.41`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`I liked when the gossip papers where less gossip`
`10:50.43`	`Mexa_`	`...`
`10:50.44`	`Dresnia`	`Well according to their official release chart its for 2013 I think`
`10:50.44`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`and actually reported news`
`10:50.48`	`Dresnia`	`it leaked some time ago`
`10:50.52`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`13?`
`10:50.53`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`no`
`10:51.01`	`Dresnia`	`eeerm`
`10:51.03`	`Dresnia`	`2012 I mean`
`10:51.04`	`Dresnia`	`unsure`
`10:51.11`	`Mexa_`	`Makes more sense`
`10:51.18`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`q4 2011`
`10:51.22`	`Mexa_`	`I could imagine it in early 2012`
`10:51.34`	`Mexa_`	`2011 huh?`
`10:51.38`	`Dresnia`	`http://diablo.incgamers.com/gallery/data/586/medium/bliz-schedule-rumor1.jpg`
`10:51.41`	`Dresnia`	`Q4 2011 yeah`
`10:51.43`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`but on that chart sc2 exp is on the same timeline`
`10:51.45`	`Dresnia`	`I thought early 2012`
`10:51.46`	`Mexa_`	`rumour`
`10:52.03`	`Mexa_`	`Then again, if Blizzard is smart, they will release it before christmas`
`10:52.06`	`Dresnia`	`I'm very curious around Titan though`
`10:52.16`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Dresnia: ya`
`10:52.20`	`Dresnia`	`the new MMORPG from Blizz that has nothing to do with any game they got`
`10:52.21`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`been waiting for years on more info on that one :på`
`10:52.24`	`Mexa_`	`Since it would generate a greater deal of profit`
`10:52.27`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`since its new IP`
`10:52.34`	`Mexa_`	`IP?`
`10:52.42`	`Dresnia`	`I'm so going to watch WoW Movie though :P`
`10:52.44`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`intellectual property`
`10:52.47`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`starcraft, warcraft etc`
`10:52.54`	`Mexa_`	`ah`
`10:52.59`	`Mexa_`	`so a franchise?`
`10:53.03`	`Dresnia`	`yea`
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`10:53.04`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Im looking forward to Tera though`
`10:53.07`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Mexa_: yeah`
`10:53.12`	`Dresnia`	`Tera has wierd psychics though`
`10:53.14`	`Mexa_`	`ah oalright`
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`10:53.20`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`If they pull Tera off it will be awesome`
`10:53.23`	`Dresnia`	`you need to aim spells, block as a tank with your actual body`
`10:53.33`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Dresnia: how so? (I havent actually followed the development)`
`10:53.36`	`Dresnia`	`imagine playing a healer in a raid`
`10:53.45`	`Dresnia`	`you gotta yell 'FREEZE IMMA HEAL U' to people`
`10:53.56`	`Dresnia`	`Well for example you need to stand behind the tanks`
`10:54.05`	`Dresnia`	`they are a 'object' 'blocking' stuff`
`10:54.08`	`Dresnia`	`you 'aim' spells`
`10:54.12`	`Dresnia`	`its korean wow style imo`
`10:54.13`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Thats what i like :D`
`10:54.27`	`Dresnia`	`GW2 looks promising aswell`
`10:54.30`	`Dresnia`	`and Old Republic`
`10:54.36`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`And Duke!`
`10:54.38`	`Dresnia`	`but MMORPG's eat your lifes pfff`
`10:54.40`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`And skyrim`
`10:54.54`	`Dresnia`	`I cba doing mmo's anymore tbh`
`10:55.00`	`Dresnia`	`it's ok if you live in a basement at mom&dads`
`10:55.18`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Now if square would just release a new ff game that doesnt suck and goes back to the old battle system and allow backtracking + towns and worldmap this year is complete`
`10:55.30`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`cba?`
`10:55.37`	`Dresnia`	`cant be arsed/asked`
`10:55.45`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`ah`
`10:55.52`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`havent played one in a long time`
`10:56.00`	`Dresnia`	`I played RIFT like crazy`
`10:56.03`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`but im ´looking forward to GW2 and Torchlight 2`
`10:56.09`	`Dresnia`	`untill we got a world 6th clear on first raid shit`
`10:56.13`	`Dresnia`	`then I got bored again ;p`
`10:56.19`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`hehe`
`10:56.23`	`Dresnia`	`Torchlight 2, will it have online mode now ?`
`10:56.28`	`Dresnia`	`Or still offline boring stuff`
`10:56.48`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`oh gametrailers noire review`
`10:56.54`	`Dresnia`	`yea`
`10:56.55`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Dresnia: it adds multiplayer`
`10:56.58`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`so i assume online :p`
`10:56.59`	`Dresnia`	`check the animations`
`10:57.02`	`Dresnia`	`on faces`
`10:57.05`	`Dresnia`	`lip acting`
`10:57.09`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`yeah they are nice`
`10:57.10`	`Dresnia`	`it's fucking insane (lanoir)`
`10:57.16`	`Dresnia`	`but yeah hush now => afk`
`10:57.25`	`Dresnia\|AFK`	`~dresnia`
`10:57.25`	`purl`	`i heard dresnia is Zyff`
`10:57.25`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`afk too!`
`10:57.32`	`Dresnia\|AFK`	`~seen dresnia`
`10:57.36`	`purl`	`dresnia <~Dresnia@d51A4F206.access.telenet.be> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 20s ago, saying: 'but yeah hush now => afk'.`
`10:57.50`	`Dresnia`	`~seen dresnia`
`10:57.50`	`purl`	`dresnia is currently on #sc2mapster (1h 31m 12s). Has said a total of 115 messages. Is idling for 0s, last said: '~seen dresnia'.`
`10:57.55`	`Dresnia\|AFK`	`115 omg`
`10:57.56`	`Dresnia\|AFK`	`spam`
`10:57.57`	`Dresnia\|AFK`	`bb ;p`
`11:09.12`	`Mexa_`	`~seen Mexaa`
`11:09.14`	`purl`	`i haven't seen 'mexaa', Mexa_`
`11:09.21`	`Mexa_`	`~seen Mexa`
`11:09.21`	`purl`	`mexa <504ed821@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.78.216.33> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 13h 37m 9s ago, saying: 'lol.'.`
`11:09.28`	`Mexa_`	`~seen Mexa_`
`11:09.29`	`purl`	`mexa_ is currently on #sc2mapster (1h 46m 48s). Has said a total of 68 messages. Is idling for 1s, last said: '~seen Mexa_'.`
`11:09.42`	`Mexa_`	`~seen Mexa__`
`11:09.43`	`purl`	`mexa__ <504ed821@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.78.216.33> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 11h 18m 10s ago, saying: 'nioighty folks.'.`
`11:10.03`	`Mexa_`	`No old records here. Humdidum`
`11:11.02`	`Dresnia`	`there`
`11:11.04`	`Dresnia`	`nuff rl today`
`11:17.41`	`Mexa_`	`heh`
`11:17.48`	`Mexa_`	`I forgot my coffee`
`11:17.58`	`Mexa_`	`Gonna relax and see the TSL finals I missed :D`
`11:19.48`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Hjalte (~chatzilla@cpe.ge-0-2-0-835.arcnqu2.customer.tele.dk)`
`11:21.33`	`Mexa_`	`http://www.shoutcast.com/shoutcast_popup_player?station_id=664978&play_status=1&stn=Chipmode chiptunes :)`
`11:27.04`	`Hati`	`~seen HP-X\|Arthas`
`11:27.06`	`purl`	`hp-x\|arthas is currently on #sc2mapster. Has said a total of 133 messages. Is idling for 29m 41s, last said: 'afk too!'.`
`11:44.03`	`Dresnia`	`Mexa_ the finals werent..`
`11:44.06`	`Dresnia`	`worth watching`
`11:44.09`	`Dresnia`	`entertaining but`
`11:44.14`	`Mexa_`	`They are`
`11:44.16`	`Dresnia`	`not really equally skilled`
`11:44.20`	`Mexa_`	`lol`
`11:44.23`	`Mexa_`	`Nou`
`11:44.31`	`Mexa_`	`Naniwa and ThorZain are skilled players`
`11:44.32`	`Dresnia`	`Naniwa made messy mistakes really`
`11:44.38`	`Dresnia`	`yes, but Nani was slacking`
`11:44.48`	`Dresnia`	`and TZ really counterd his mistakes`
`11:44.50`	`Mexa_`	`No spoilers`
`11:44.58`	`Dresnia`	`You know who won right`
`11:45.01`	`Mexa_`	`No`
`11:45.03`	`Mexa_`	`So shut it`
`11:45.03`	`Mexa_`	`<.<`
`11:45.13`	`Dresnia`	`How can you not know that already o_O`
`11:45.16`	`Dresnia`	`it's been like 4 days :D`
`11:45.34`	`Mexa_`	`Because I fell asleep during the finals, I was awkvardly tired`
`11:45.35`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Mexa_:`
`11:45.36`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`nani won`
`11:45.37`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`!`
`11:45.41`	`Mexa_`	`and after that I was awaiting vods`
`11:45.44`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`and before you cry`
`11:45.47`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`who the hell is any of those :p`
`11:45.54`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`NOOO! :<`
`11:46.00`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Mexa (504ed821@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.78.216.33)`
`11:46.03`	`Dresnia`	`hahaha`
`11:46.11`	`Dresnia`	`you missed that Mexa ? p`
`11:46.12`	`Mexa`	`You're in denial, I am going to watch the last 2 matches now.`
`11:46.13`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`13:45 -!- Mexa_ [504ed821@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.78.216.33] has quit [Quit: Page closed]`
`11:46.14`	`Mexa`	`Yes`
`11:46.16`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`13:45 < HP-X\|Arthas> and before you cry`
`11:46.17`	`Mexa`	`Frankly`
`11:46.19`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`13:45 < HP-X\|Arthas> who the hell is any of those :p`
`11:46.21`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`13:45 < HP-X\|Arthas> NOOO! :<`
`11:46.23`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`lol`
`11:46.33`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Mexa (504ed821@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.78.216.33)`
`11:46.41`	`Dresnia`	`STOP JOINING US`
`11:46.43`	`Dresnia`	`GET OUT`
`11:46.44`	`Dresnia`	`NOW !`
`11:46.47`	`Mexa`	`lol`
`11:46.47`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`:p`
`11:46.50`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`so Mexa`
`11:46.51`	`Dresnia`	`:p`
`11:46.53`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`who is nani`
`11:46.54`	`Mexa`	`I guess I am not`
`11:47.14`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Dresnia: who are they :D`
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`11:48.25`	`Prone`	`NO MY IP STILL EXISTS`
`11:48.27`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`hi mexa`
`11:48.31`	`Prone`	`<.<`
`11:49.11`	`Mexa`	`Off for coffee, and such, guess I turn of this display :D`
`11:49.23`	`Dresnia`	`is now know as Mexa`
`11:49.37`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`is now known as Mexa`
`11:49.38`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Mexa_ (504ed821@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.78.216.33)`
`11:50.00`	`Mexa_`	`hm`
`11:50.13`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`?`
`11:50.45`	`Mexa_`	`When I entered with this one`
`11:50.49`	`Mexa_`	`it said on the other one`
`11:51.05`	`Mexa_`	`*HP-X\|Arthas is now known as Mexa`
`11:51.13`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`yeah, /me`
`11:51.14`	`Mexa_`	`*Dresnia is now known as Mexa`
`11:51.20`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`dances around the dead monitor`
`11:51.20`	`Mexa_`	`wtf was that all about D:`
`11:51.33`	`Dresnia`	`is now know as Mexa_`
`11:51.36`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`imitating nickchages!`
`11:51.42`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`changes*`
`11:51.44`	`Mexa_`	`but`
`11:51.56`	`Mexa_`	`How can he be known as me, when I am me?`
`11:52.01`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`they cant`
`11:52.06`	`Dresnia`	`is now know as GOD`
`11:52.08`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`he used /me :p`
`11:52.18`	`Mexa_`	`But you both said it on the same time :v`
`11:52.23`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`yeah`
`11:52.24`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`:D`
`11:52.34`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Uncessary highlight and confusion!`
`11:52.35`	`Mexa_`	`Confuzzling`
`11:52.36`	`Mexa_`	`<-<`
`11:52.49`	`Dresnia`	`:D`
`11:52.50`	`Dresnia`	`<3`
`11:52.51`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`I assume we are all awesome euros?`
`11:53.00`	`Dresnia`	`I'm a flying dutchman`
`11:53.07`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`It does seem like all swedes but me are hiding though`
`11:53.19`	`Mexa_`	`I am a swede`
`11:53.24`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Oh`
`11:53.25`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`:D`
`11:53.28`	`Mexa_`	`:>`
`11:53.31`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`are you a northern swede`
`11:53.34`	`Mexa_`	`Nope`
`11:53.44`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`sigh`
`11:53.48`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Have yet to meet one on the internet`
`11:53.48`	`Mexa_`	`:)?`
`11:54.03`	`Mexa_`	`Nothern sweden does not know internet that much`
`11:54.04`	`Mexa_`	`:>`
`11:54.05`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`There are no swedes from north of sundsvall around :p`
`11:54.12`	`Mexa_`	`yeah`
`11:54.13`	`Mexa_`	`lol`
`11:54.41`	`Mexa_`	`Anyways, I missed the TSl because I fell asleep during the finals`
`11:54.51`	`Mexa_`	`And thenn I have been waiting for vods to see the latest matches`
`11:55.05`	`Mexa_`	`So well, off I go!`
`11:55.22`	`Dresnia`	`looks at Mexa_ sadly confused :(`
`11:55.36`	`Dresnia`	`btw Mephs`
`11:55.38`	`Dresnia`	`Mexa_***`
`11:55.43`	`Dresnia`	`I'm playing a 2on2 tourney monday`
`11:55.44`	`Dresnia`	`:p`
`11:55.49`	`Dresnia`	`50euro for first place`
`11:55.50`	`Dresnia`	`hoeray`
`11:55.51`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`wtf is this`
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`11:55.57`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`mappers who actually play the game?`
`11:55.59`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`hides`
`11:56.06`	`Dresnia`	`I'm a platinum player`
`11:56.09`	`Dresnia`	`on 2vs2`
`11:56.16`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`i was the same`
`11:56.17`	`Dresnia`	`won 9 out of 10 matches last night :p`
`11:56.23`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`havent really played since reset or whatever`
`11:56.26`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`race?`
`11:56.31`	`Dresnia`	`Terran & Zerg`
`11:56.51`	`Dresnia`	`blue flame + speedling harras, blue flame mineral line drops, roach tanking + stim marine midgame pushses`
`11:56.55`	`Mexa_`	`Dresnia, sounds nice`
`11:56.57`	`Mexa_`	`Good luck`
`11:56.58`	`Mexa_`	`:)`
`11:57.01`	`Dresnia`	`cloack banshees + mutalisks finisher`
`11:57.15`	`Dresnia`	`but 75% of our games are done withing 10-11minutes :p`
`11:57.26`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`did you play 4v4 during beta?`
`11:57.31`	`Dresnia`	`nah`
`11:57.38`	`Dresnia`	`I did one last night though`
`11:57.41`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`was only one map available and bnet was unstable as hell`
`11:57.51`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`the map itself was so exploitable :D`
`11:57.59`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`reaper rush to a plateau behind mineral lines :p`
`11:58.06`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`on 2 of the four bases :D`
`11:58.10`	`Dresnia`	`lol`
`11:58.31`	`Dresnia`	`gna smoke`
`11:58.39`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`enjoy`
`12:22.06`	`Mexa_`	`They just had to make dialog overcomplex <.< http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/triggers/16341-what-is-the-foruma-for-finding-ui-coordinates/#p3`
`12:22.10`	`Mexa_`	`*dialogs`
`12:22.36`	`Helral\|Work`	`hmmm?`
`12:22.56`	`Mexa_`	`That it scales depending on aspect ratios`
`12:22.57`	`Mexa_`	`yeah`
`12:23.04`	`Mexa_`	`I don't like :\|`
`12:23.20`	`Helral\|Work`	`afaik dialogs do not scale depending on aspect ratios`
`12:23.29`	`Mexa_`	`They do`
`12:23.33`	`Mexa_`	`Judging by that`
`12:23.47`	`Mexa_`	`You're thinking about kayout`
`12:23.50`	`Mexa_`	`*layout`
`12:23.57`	`Mexa_`	`ui override is not an issue`
`12:24.17`	`Helral\|Work`	`well haven't noticed it with my inventory dialogs yet. hmmm lets check ;p`
`12:24.19`	`Mexa_`	`But dialogs are different sizes depending on your resolution and spect ratio, so yeah`
`12:26.18`	`Mexa_`	`That library also demonstrates that http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/getresolution/`
`12:26.55`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`weeeeeee`
`12:26.59`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`dn4 demo 3rd june`
`12:27.05`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`+ lowered price for CE \o`
`12:27.39`	`Mexa_`	`duke nukem?`
`12:27.58`	`Mexa_`	`I really lost the interest, and the humor isn't really my type, lol`
`12:29.10`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`hehe`
`12:29.24`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`played the games from the first`
`12:29.28`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`finally I get a new one :p`
`12:30.15`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`and i kinda like the humor so winwin for me :D`
`12:30.47`	`Mexa_`	`:>`
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`12:57.59`	`Mexa_`	`wow... chill almost destroyed the tsl final :V`
`12:59.49`	`Dresnia`	`yeah :/`
`12:59.54`	`Dresnia`	`love the day9 solo :p`
`13:07.28`	`Mexa_`	`Awesome`
`13:07.33`	`Mexa_`	`ThorZain won :d`
`13:08.16`	`Mexa_`	`I need to celebrate with chiptune music`
`13:08.21`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`http://www.sweclockers.com/nyhet/13959-john-carmack-valjer-sida-i-grafikkortskriget`
`13:08.24`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`for the swedes`
`13:08.41`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Pathetic amd vs nvidia flameware is pathetic! :p`
`13:11.55`	`Mexa_`	`lol`
`13:11.59`	`Mexa_`	`Though, he is right`
`13:12.21`	`Mexa_`	`My drivers for my ATI card is pathetic`
`13:12.25`	`Mexa_`	`They are 2 years old`
`13:12.41`	`Mexa_`	`Though, I guess I blaim Sony VAIO at that part more than I blaim AMD..`
`13:12.42`	`Xaragoth`	`MOONSPEAK`
`13:12.45`	`Xaragoth`	`CAN NOT READ`
`13:12.45`	`Xaragoth`	`^^`
`13:13.00`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`well`
`13:13.09`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`carmack didnt really say anything about the drivers :p`
`13:13.21`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Im tempted to join the discussion and bash the guy comparing carmack to markus persson :p`
`13:13.23`	`Mexa_`	`well`
`13:13.29`	`Mexa_`	`If my drivers were up to date`
`13:13.40`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`And I personally use nvidia`
`13:13.40`	`Mexa_`	`I could have been developing games with open gl 4+`
`13:13.55`	`Mexa_`	`But instead, they lock my drivers to be 2 years old, so I am stuck with gl 2.1`
`13:14.02`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`enjoy!`
`13:14.06`	`Mexa_`	`And that... sucks ball.`
`13:14.09`	`Mexa_`	`*balls`
`13:14.31`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`hmm do you have good insight into the graphic card market?`
`13:14.47`	`Mexa_`	`Nope, not really`
`13:14.52`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`im on a gtx285 now and im thinking of upgrading`
`13:15.06`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`but is nvidia launching anything new soon taken they recently (?) launched the 5xx series?`
`13:15.08`	`Mexa_`	`There were some people discussing graphics cards a few days ago`
`13:15.12`	`Mexa_`	`I don't remember who`
`13:15.20`	`Mexa_`	`Might have been Obatz and some others`
`13:15.27`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`ah`
`13:19.58`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Bounty (442d304d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.45.48.77)`
`13:20.01`	`Bounty`	`Hay Guyz`
`13:20.20`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`anyone here knows how the 590 noise level is?`
`13:27.11`	`Mexa_`	`no idea`
`13:27.16`	`Mexa_`	`and also hi bounty`
`13:27.33`	`Bounty`	`New Project Avatars videoooo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKXS6UHYvP0`
`13:27.36`	`Bounty`	`Hi Mexa`
`13:30.33`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Xaragoth:`
`13:30.37`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`translate it using google translate`
`13:30.39`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`totally worth it`
`13:30.44`	`Bounty`	`i cant believe im already half way done`
`13:30.48`	`Bounty`	`with the classes`
`13:30.56`	`Xaragoth`	`I'll just wait for it to pop up on gamasutra`
`13:30.56`	`Xaragoth`	`^^`
`13:30.59`	`Mexa_`	`lol Bounty, overexaggerated explosion much:p`
`13:31.03`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`13:31.07`	`Bounty`	`no`
`13:31.14`	`Bounty`	`did you see what it takes to use that ability?`
`13:31.16`	`Bounty`	`=P`
`13:31.32`	`Bounty`	`You have to have all 3 summons, and they all have to be next to eachother`
`13:31.40`	`Mexa_`	`Meh well yes`
`13:31.57`	`Mexa_`	`I didn't say anything about it being overpowered`
`13:32.00`	`Bounty`	`and it is called "The Big Bang"`
`13:32.04`	`Mexa_`	`Only exaggerated.`
`13:32.04`	`Bounty`	`oh i know`
`13:32.06`	`Dresnia`	`Anyone knows the command`
`13:32.10`	`Dresnia`	`to 'sticky' to grid`
`13:32.14`	`Dresnia`	`while painting terrain`
`13:32.28`	`Mexa_`	`It's huge, and covers the entire screen`
`13:32.31`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnIe3eP5qEg`
`13:32.34`	`A1win`	`ctrl-g I think, snap to grid`
`13:32.34`	`Bounty`	`yep =P`
`13:32.35`	`Mexa_`	`Might be a problem in the end :>`
`13:32.41`	`Bounty`	`how so?`
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`13:33.01`	`Dresnia`	`ctrl g is negative`
`13:33.11`	`A1win`	`search the menu then`
`13:34.36`	`Mexa_`	`I don't know`
`13:34.44`	`Bounty`	`btw mexa, it only takes up 3/4 of the screen =P`
`13:34.48`	`Bounty`	`lolol`
`13:34.49`	`Mexa_`	`It terms of you not seeing anything and dying at the end?`
`13:35.02`	`Mexa_`	`big difference.-.`
`13:35.27`	`Bounty`	`you see everyone die`
`13:35.32`	`Dresnia`	`can't find it`
`13:35.39`	`Dresnia`	`anyone even knows if it excists :p`
`13:35.45`	`Bounty`	`and for the record, it not an insta kill ability lol`
`13:35.51`	`Bounty`	`it is for the sake of that video though`
`13:36.03`	`A1win`	`Dresnia, if it's not the same snap to grid as for placing units and such, then it probably doesn't`
`13:36.17`	`Nash\|327`	`so if I make a huge dialog that's invisible, does it block clicking units underneath?`
`13:36.27`	`A1win`	`if you give it a tooltip`
`13:36.58`	`Nash\|327`	`Was that a reply to me?`
`13:37.02`	`A1win`	`yeah`
`13:37.05`	`Nash\|327`	`Ah.`
`13:37.07`	`Nash\|327`	`Alrighty!`
`13:37.46`	`A1win`	`and it the dialog is so huge that it goes off-screen from all sides, the tooltip won't even show`
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`13:53.58`	`Mexa_`	`~seen Â´3ICE`
`13:54.14`	`purl`	`i haven't seen 'Â´3ice', Mexa_`
`13:54.14`	`Mexa_`	`aw`
`13:54.14`	`Dresnia`	`slaps Mexa_ around a bit with a large trout`
`13:54.17`	`Mexa_`	~seen `3ICE
`13:54.18`	`purl`	`3ice <3ice.hu@51B74A48.catv.pool.telekom.hu> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 119d 20h 44m 40s ago, saying: 'Thanks for directing me to the forum, I have made my post (#226944).'.
`13:54.26`	`Mexa_`	`lies`
`13:54.50`	`Mexa_`	`trouts Dresnia around a bit with a large slap.`
`13:55.02`	`Dresnia`	`unzips pants`
`13:55.11`	`Mexa_`	`:v`
`13:55.18`	`Dresnia`	`CAN YOU SMELL IT`
`13:55.24`	`Dresnia`	`zips pants`
`13:55.25`	`Mexa_`	`<.<`
`13:56.25`	`Mexa_`	`http://www.shoutcast.com/shoutcast_popup_player?station_id=664978&play_status=1&stn=Chipmode`
`13:56.31`	`Dresnia`	`...`
`13:56.47`	`Dresnia`	`8bit songs don't intrest Dresnia !`
`13:56.48`	`Mexa_`	`.. last time sir.`
`13:57.01`	`Mexa_`	`It intrests Mexa_`
`13:57.31`	`Bounty`	`Dresnia`
`13:57.32`	`Bounty`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKXS6UHYvP0`
`13:57.32`	`Mexa_`	`Chiptunes doesn't neccessarily means 8bit tho:p`
`13:57.33`	`Bounty`	`=P`
`13:57.59`	`Dresnia`	`NO PLEASE`
`13:58.04`	`Dresnia`	`not mor avatar junkz =((((`
`13:58.21`	`Bounty`	`oh ok, i thought you were interested`
`13:58.23`	`Bounty`	`my bad`
`13:58.34`	`Dresnia`	`not after clicking the link 20 times :p`
`13:58.48`	`Dresnia`	`I am interested in all projects`
`13:58.55`	`Bounty`	`its a new video though`
`13:59.01`	`Bounty`	`there are like 7 videos now lol`
`13:59.20`	`Dresnia`	`I saw the crawling dude yesterday`
`13:59.26`	`Dresnia`	`so thanks for this new one :p`
`13:59.32`	`Bounty`	`and this isnt the crawling dude :)`
`13:59.37`	`Dresnia`	`yeah`
`13:59.45`	`Dresnia`	`You should name your gods and title likewise`
`13:59.56`	`Bounty`	`hm?`
`14:00.00`	`Dresnia`	`is this the bitch from uldum ?`
`14:00.04`	`Dresnia`	`or ulduar even`
`14:00.07`	`Bounty`	`iunno lol`
`14:00.18`	`Dresnia`	`yeah I think it's that optional summoned boss in ulduar`
`14:00.35`	`Dresnia`	`she drops blue plate helm`
`14:00.41`	`Dresnia`	`worth grinding in vanilla times :p`
`14:01.05`	`Dresnia`	`what the fuck at that explosion`
`14:01.06`	`Dresnia`	`rofl`
`14:01.11`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`14:01.33`	`Bounty`	`its the big bang! :)`
`14:01.39`	`Dresnia`	`all of her targeting is 'white'`
`14:01.42`	`Dresnia`	`would confuse players`
`14:01.50`	`Dresnia`	`recolor them so they know what move they doing`
`14:01.53`	`Dresnia`	`keybind ftw`
`14:02.21`	`Bounty`	`i dont see how it would confuse people`
`14:02.28`	`Bounty`	`just hit the right hotkey lol`
`14:02.33`	`Bounty`	`and it says what ability you're using`
`14:02.49`	`Dresnia`	`okay then`
`14:03.03`	`Bounty`	`what do you think of her mechanic?`
`14:03.20`	`Bounty`	`Pretty much have to manage 4 units`
`14:03.59`	`Dresnia`	`looks a 'skill based' avatar`
`14:04.02`	`Dresnia`	`wich is good`
`14:04.08`	`Dresnia`	`if controld well she should pwn`
`14:04.40`	`Bounty`	`getting that big bang will be the hardest thing to do in the game lol`
`14:04.50`	`Bounty`	`for obvious reasons`
`14:05.03`	`Dresnia`	`give it a 15 second cooldown`
`14:05.06`	`Dresnia`	`and its balanced`
`14:05.06`	`Dresnia`	`:p`
`14:05.13`	`Bounty`	`lol cooldown doesnt even matter`
`14:05.21`	`Bounty`	`did you see how it has to be done?`
`14:05.41`	`Dresnia`	`yeah`
`14:05.45`	`Dresnia`	`move the dudes to a spot`
`14:05.48`	`Bounty`	`You have to have all 3 summons, and all 3 summons have to be withint that targetted area`
`14:05.48`	`Dresnia`	`then activate em`
`14:05.57`	`Dresnia`	`ye`
`14:06.02`	`Dresnia`	`http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/project-workplace/21591-untitled-hero-survival-arena-showcase-requesting-feedback/`
`14:06.05`	`Dresnia`	`feedback guys ! =(`
`14:07.26`	`Dresnia`	`currently working on the Zoo ;p`
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`14:08.44`	`Bounty`	`How far along is that project?`
`14:09.36`	`Dresnia`	`wich part :p`
`14:09.43`	`Bounty`	`overall`
`14:09.53`	`Dresnia`	`hmmm`
`14:10.00`	`Dresnia`	`Terrain is about 70% done`
`14:10.09`	`Dresnia`	`Brainstorming 75%`
`14:10.24`	`Dresnia`	`Enginge / Idea how to do stuff is like 60%`
`14:10.33`	`Dresnia`	`Data / Triggers is like 5%`
`14:10.39`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`14:10.40`	`Bounty`	`ouch`
`14:10.42`	`Bounty`	`5%`
`14:10.47`	`Dresnia`	`Nash\|327 is doing the Data / Trigger stuff`
`14:10.57`	`Dresnia`	`Yeah but he focused on icons + ui untill now`
`14:11.05`	`Dresnia`	`He starts trigger today ish`
`14:11.08`	`Dresnia`	`and data soon ish`
`14:11.30`	`Dresnia`	`all spells got custom created icons so..`
`14:11.39`	`Dresnia`	`took some time to get stuff right :p`
`14:11.48`	`Bounty`	`ah ><`
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`14:13.37`	`hookah`	`hi guys`
`14:13.45`	`hookah`	`I have 2 simple question`
`14:14.30`	`Dresnia`	`go on then`
`14:15.23`	`hookah`	`Is there a way to set all the click splat size? The one which you see for example when you issue a move command and you see the green splat at the target point on the map.`
`14:15.51`	`hookah`	`The second is how I changed race's name, so it will have different name in the lobby too?`
`14:16.10`	`Dresnia`	`1. Search it and edit in the Data I guess`
`14:16.16`	`Dresnia`	`and 2. test it online ? :o`
`14:16.52`	`Dresnia`	`or 3. wait for some guy who did it before in here ;<`
`14:17.26`	`Helral\|Work`	`hookah: change it in the data editor at the races section?`
`14:17.35`	`hookah`	`I done 1 and 2, I will wait for the 3:D`
`14:17.52`	`hookah`	`Helral that didnt work`
`14:25.17`	`Mexa_`	Hmm.. anyone have any opinions about Tera so far`
`14:25.19`	`Mexa_`	`*?`
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`14:25.31`	`burne-`	`waaaaaaaaazaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaap`
`14:25.35`	`Mexa_`	`hi here`
`14:25.43`	`burne-`	`hello`
`14:25.48`	`Mexa_`	`burne- do you like chiptunes?`
`14:25.55`	`burne-`	`yes`
`14:26.01`	`Mexa_`	`http://www.shoutcast.com/shoutcast_popup_player?station_id=664978&play_status=1&stn=Chipmode :)`
`14:26.26`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`http://www.scenemusic.net/demovibes/`
`14:26.29`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`I prefer that one!`
`14:26.42`	`burne-`	`its decent, but Iv hear better`
`14:26.44`	`Mexa_`	`No, the site sucked`
`14:26.51`	`Mexa_`	`burne- it's a radio`
`14:26.55`	`Dresnia`	`hey burne-`
`14:26.59`	`Mexa_`	`So I don't guarantee all songs`
`14:27.02`	`burne-`	`oh`
`14:27.05`	`Mexa_`	`But the radio channel is awesome`
`14:27.10`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Mexa_: Yeah, they've apparently redone the design :p`
`14:27.14`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`but the radio still works`
`14:27.14`	`Mexa_`	`In the good end`
`14:27.15`	`burne-`	`dunno if im that big of a fan`
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`14:27.35`	`Mexa_`	`You liked chiptunes so I guess I linked due to that`
`14:27.38`	`Mexa_`	`lol`
`14:27.46`	`burne-`	`ty`
`14:27.47`	`burne-`	`:)`
`14:27.51`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`passing breeze remix ftw`
`14:28.02`	`Mexa_`	`Arthas, it's damn hard to even find the listen button`
`14:28.09`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`hahaha`
`14:28.12`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`to your right :p`
`14:28.15`	`burne-`	`~seen mexa`
`14:28.24`	`purl`	`mexa <504ed821@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.78.216.33> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 2h 39m 13s ago, saying: 'Off for coffee, and such, guess I turn of this display :D'.`
`14:28.24`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`i use the m3u playlist`
`14:28.29`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`never really visits the site`
`14:28.49`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`they went down a year or two ago and since then you hardly find any dload links to the songs :(`
`14:29.09`	`Mexa_`	`oh, that music is kind of chill`
`14:29.32`	`Mexa_`	`Arthas, how do I get it as playlist format?`
`14:29.36`	`Mexa_`	`eg m3u`
`14:29.46`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`click streams to the right of the listen button`
`14:29.55`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`rightclick and save the list for the server you want`
`14:30.06`	`Mexa_`	`ah`
`14:30.14`	`Mexa_`	`Are all servers the same song playing?`
`14:30.17`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`navigating that site is very unpleasant :p`
`14:30.21`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`yup`
`14:30.29`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`but different bitrates`
`14:30.36`	`Helral\|Work`	`Mexa_: did you work with the modal dialogs?`
`14:30.37`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`so pick high br and a somewhat close loc`
`14:30.43`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`fin and swe servers are long gone`
`14:30.51`	`Mexa_`	`Helral, modal dialogs are not implemented`
`14:31.01`	`Mexa_`	`No matter what you select as an option`
`14:31.12`	`Helral\|Work`	`you've tested with both? Modal/Non-Modal?`
`14:31.16`	`Mexa_`	`yeah`
`14:31.21`	`Mexa_`	`They are both the same`
`14:32.00`	`Mexa_`	`If modal means that it will freeze the dialogs behind it when it's visible, then yes`
`14:32.04`	`Mexa_`	`That does not work`
`14:32.20`	`Helral\|Work`	`hmmm does windowed mode behave differently then.... neh talking bout resizing ;p`
`14:32.30`	`Mexa_`	`oh`
`14:32.48`	`Mexa_`	`I think windowed behaves the same as fullscreen`
`14:33.00`	`Mexa_`	`the difference would be that the window bar is taking some space`
`14:33.15`	`Mexa_`	`the top takes 48 pixels of the width in windows 7`
`14:33.16`	`Helral\|Work`	`cause when I change my windowed screen size, the dialog stays unadjusted.`
`14:33.28`	`Mexa_`	`huh?`
`14:33.59`	`Mexa_`	`it will not stay the same on other aspect ratios helral`
`14:34.17`	`Helral\|Work`	`yeah so windowed acts differently then fullscreen`
`14:34.32`	`Mexa_`	`does it?`
`14:34.39`	`Helral\|Work`	`windowed with 4x3 setup acts differently then fullscreen with 4x3 resolution.`
`14:34.46`	`Mexa_`	`hmm`
`14:34.56`	`Mexa_`	`possibly because the resizing of the window`
`14:35.13`	`Helral\|Work`	`otherwise the dialogs would be affected by my resizing.`
`14:35.15`	`Mexa_`	`While you may think that 1024 x768 may represent the same in fullscreen as it does in windowed, it isn't`
`14:35.24`	`Mexa_`	`Because in windowed, it is 1024 x 720`
`14:35.38`	`Mexa_`	`Might be that`
`14:35.49`	`Mexa_`	`Thus it gets affected by another aspect ratio?`
`14:36.43`	`Mexa_`	`Helral, well you should check the getResolution library`
`14:36.56`	`Helral\|Work`	`ahhh the dialogs adjust themselves according to the height of the screen not the width....`
`14:36.59`	`Mexa_`	`I'm not 100 how it works on an exact scale`
`14:37.23`	`Mexa_`	`ah`
`14:38.26`	`Helral\|Work`	`so different resolution causes dialogs to take up different space in width, but not in height. cause it gets resized to keep the height correctly, and the height/width ratio correct.`
`14:38.43`	`Helral\|Work`	`hmmm`
`14:38.52`	`Mexa_`	`yeah,`
`14:39.17`	`Helral\|Work`	`still doesn't explain what I saw I think....`
`14:39.22`	`Helral\|Work`	`when I tested fullscreen.`
`14:39.35`	`Helral\|Work`	`will play around some more when I get home ;p`
`14:40.13`	`Mexa_`	`neato, if I get something found out I'll tell you too`
`14:40.21`	`Mexa_`	`was about to research some now, I think`
`14:53.19`	`burne-`	`umhgf`
`14:53.35`	`burne-`	`just realized why sc2 clifs feel so fucking shit compared to wc3`
`14:53.43`	`burne-`	`I think they are way bigger in sc2 :O`
`14:54.29`	`burne-`	`or the pathing is so different`
`14:54.29`	`Mexa_`	`waitwhat, you think wc3 cliffs are good?`
`14:54.30`	`burne-`	`dunno -_-`
`14:54.34`	`burne-`	`yea`
`14:54.39`	`Mexa_`	`I disagreed`
`14:54.39`	`burne-`	`I liked em`
`14:54.40`	`Mexa_`	`lol`
`14:54.48`	`Mexa_`	`wc3 cliffs are shit :/`
`14:54.56`	`burne-`	`:(`
`14:54.57`	`Mexa_`	`The only one good enough where the modern cliff set`
`14:55.14`	`Mexa_`	`*were`
`14:55.24`	`Mexa_`	`was, whatever soemthing`
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`14:56.16`	`burne-`	`now im sturgling with missile clif spels`
`14:56.23`	`burne-`	`I might be doing over comlicated stuff again`
`14:58.18`	`Mexa_`	`hum`
`15:00.08`	`A1win`	`any ideas how to make an ability that unloads a bunch of uncommandable marines from a unit, who have some kind of a targeting AI, who follow the unit they were unloaded from in a nice formation around it, and can be loaded back to the unit by a non-targeted ability? D:`
`15:00.35`	`A1win`	`I have a feeling that would require using some triggers but that's fine ;p`
`15:02.19`	`hookah`	`with trigger its pretty easy.D`
`15:02.56`	`A1win`	`just wondering how much of it should be done with data editor`
`15:03.15`	`hookah`	`however making formation is hard even with triggers`
`15:04.59`	`A1win`	`not impossible though :P I've actually done that before for a different system`
`15:06.22`	`A1win`	`it defines a number of points around the unit, checks pathing cost and if it's too high, sets the point at the center of the unit instead, and then goes through the points, picks the closest unit to them and orders them to move there`
`15:07.21`	`A1win`	`oh and only orders them to move if the new position is far enough from the old, so they don't stutter if the unit moves only a little`
`15:08.05`	`A1win`	`oh well I guess I'd just do it with triggers apart from using the ability ;p`
`15:10.21`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Mexa_: listen to the current song on demoscene :D`
`15:10.26`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`This one I like`
`15:13.52`	`Dresnia`	`dont you guys have some radio stations irl ? :O`
`15:15.47`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`not that airs chip music`
`15:15.49`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`mostly crap`
`15:15.50`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`:p`
`15:15.59`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`I prefer webradio and local music files :D`
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`15:18.14`	`Dresnia`	`same`
`15:18.19`	`Dresnia`	`I want 'epic' songs`
`15:18.24`	`Dresnia`	`like requim for a dream etc`
`15:18.26`	`Dresnia`	`but hard too find :(`
`15:18.33`	`Dresnia`	`I only got requim of a dream lulz =(`
`15:18.45`	`Dresnia`	`if any of you got a folder, rar it and up me the link <3333`
`15:18.58`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`hmmm`
`15:19.39`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`http://grooveshark.com/#/s/Crusaders+Of+The+Light/1fLmEY?src=5`
`15:19.41`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`does that work?`
`15:19.53`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`been so long since I heard requiem for a dream`
`15:20.13`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Dresnia: that was for you`
`15:21.35`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`one could look towards hans zimmer too, but if its for a trailer or so id prolly skip it since well. his music is used everywhere :p`
`15:22.20`	`Dresnia\|AFK`	`baby's hungry`
`15:22.21`	`Dresnia\|AFK`	`afk ;p`
`15:22.27`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`pwnt`
`15:22.29`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`thats for getting a kid`
`15:22.35`	`burne-`	`some times, some crimes...`
`15:22.41`	`A1win`	`hmm... has anyone made custom microing AIs that could be plugged into pretty much any map? like a library of triggers that would give you "enable/disable micro AI for unit" interface and that'd be all you'd need`
`15:22.53`	`A1win`	`plus some options preferably`
`15:23.22`	`A1win`	`though I guess not many custom maps use the default units as they are`
`15:24.13`	`A1win`	`oh and it'd need some way to control them as masses too...`
`15:24.29`	`A1win`	`attack waves or such`
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`15:33.27`	`Helral\|Afk`	`meow`
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`16:20.17`	`burne-`	`NESTED ITERATION DETECTED?!`
`16:20.19`	`burne-`	`what does it mean`
`16:22.58`	`Helral\|Afk`	`you using pick each in pick each I guess`
`16:23.15`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`I put a pick in your pick so you can.... ?`
`16:23.45`	`ProzaicMuze`	`oie. . .`
`16:23.52`	`burne-`	`:/`
`16:23.52`	`burne-`	`no im not even using em`
`16:23.54`	`ProzaicMuze`	`I try to help and they still don't get it`
`16:23.54`	`burne-`	`atleast I cannot see them`
`16:23.57`	`burne-`	`weird stuff`
`16:23.58`	`ProzaicMuze`	`silly, silly people`
`16:24.28`	`Helral\|Afk`	`meow`
`16:24.42`	`burne-`	`there are 0 pick each loops in the trigger it complains`
`16:24.46`	`burne-`	`:/`
`16:25.01`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`ProzaicMuze: https://docs.google.com/document/d/17Js8_mnXqvusSOx1yicWnToQyqxqLVdhmCKTcJxSW-E/edit?authkey=CN2qhoIH&hl=en#`
`16:25.04`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`still up for it? ;D`
`16:25.05`	`burne-`	`and it even runs the trigger fine`
`16:25.07`	`burne-`	`so wtf`
`16:25.10`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`8 hour countdown!`
`16:25.22`	`ProzaicMuze`	`lmfao`
`16:25.25`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`also why are we playing on useast?`
`16:25.34`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Where we that wasted when we came up with the idea`
`16:25.43`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Were`
`16:25.48`	`ProzaicMuze`	`YOu guys were pretty wasted`
`16:25.55`	`burne-`	`IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT COULD CAUSE NESTED ITERATION MESSAGE`
`16:25.56`	`Helral\|Afk`	`what you doing?`
`16:26.00`	`ProzaicMuze`	`and it was because there was someone who was on USEast who only wanted HC and nothing but`
`16:26.13`	`Helral\|Afk`	`burne-: dunno what your trigger look like.`
`16:26.19`	`ProzaicMuze`	`I also think someone couldn't access USWest at the time`
`16:26.24`	`ProzaicMuze`	`but I'm sorta down`
`16:26.25`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`oh right`
`16:26.34`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`wanna play EU later? =)`
`16:26.37`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`we can go non-hc :p`
`16:26.46`	`ProzaicMuze`	`You'll have to remind me since I'm pushin' out lots of pictures today for work`
`16:26.47`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Ashamed`
`16:26.50`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`up for it?`
`16:26.53`	`burne-`	`meh Ill just test it out`
`16:26.53`	`ProzaicMuze`	`not sure how long it will take`
`16:26.57`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`ProzaicMuze: sure`
`16:26.59`	`burne-`	`by disabling fuctions 1 by one`
`16:27.06`	`burne-`	`to find the error myself`
`16:27.11`	`ProzaicMuze`	`I'm ok with whatever server`
`16:27.11`	`Helral\|Afk`	`Arthas: what level?`
`16:27.12`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`I was thinking around 8 gmt?`
`16:27.18`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Helral\|Afk: from scratch`
`16:27.22`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`havent played since reset`
`16:27.27`	`Helral\|Afk`	`good cause all my sods are prolly gone`
`16:27.32`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`this will be first SC character in years`
`16:27.39`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`just edit yerselves into the doc :)`
`16:28.26`	`Helral\|Afk`	`so not HC unlike it says in the doc?`
`16:28.37`	`ProzaicMuze`	`It's not HC`
`16:28.50`	`ProzaicMuze`	`since 2/3 said no HC lol`
`16:28.55`	`Helral\|Afk`	`lol`
`16:29.10`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`I dont mind HC but some might, especially if we start getting high latency peeps :p`
`16:29.16`	`ProzaicMuze`	`also: http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/project-workplace/21066-tofu-project-tma-official-thread/?page=5`
`16:29.16`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`you know, those people with modems :D`
`16:29.42`	`ProzaicMuze`	`I'm considering replying, but he pretty much skirted the points I made by making it about me lol`
`16:29.44`	`ProzaicMuze`	`Not really interested in starting a flame war`
`16:29.46`	`ProzaicMuze`	`What say you?`
`16:30.00`	`ProzaicMuze`	`plays on a wooden modem`
`16:30.39`	`Helral\|Afk`	`Arthas ;p added myself. dunno yet what I'll be ;p`
`16:30.49`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`going to edit myself too`
`16:30.52`	`Helral\|Afk`	`so what time we start?`
`16:30.54`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`we wanna use vent mumble or so?`
`16:31.35`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`I was thinking in 3-4 hours about 10 PM for me`
`16:31.42`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`thats 8pm GMT i think`
`16:31.47`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`stupid daylight savings`
`16:31.50`	`ProzaicMuze`	`lol`
`16:31.52`	`Helral\|Afk`	`I'm in same timezone as you Arthas ;p`
`16:32.00`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Helral\|Afk: aight`
`16:32.01`	`ProzaicMuze`	`I'm Westcoast`
`16:32.04`	`ProzaicMuze`	`it's current 9:30am`
`16:33.08`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Where: Europe`
`16:33.12`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Oh yes!`
`16:33.20`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`although it doesnt matter that much to me :p`
`16:33.21`	`Helral\|Afk`	`not 8PM GMT? ;p`
`16:33.34`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`8pm gmt is in 3.5h`
`16:33.38`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`oh`
`16:33.40`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`lol`
`16:33.44`	`Helral\|Afk`	`:)`
`16:33.46`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`fixed`
`16:34.00`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Anyone else up for some diablo later? Fill in`
`16:34.03`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`5 spots remaining`
`16:34.03`	`Helral\|Afk`	`how long you wanna play?`
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`16:34.10`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`until we get tired of it`
`16:34.12`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`also`
`16:34.24`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`do we play for real, ie as a party of whoever we can grab`
`16:34.27`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`or just to rush`
`16:34.32`	`Helral\|Afk`	`cause I can only be there 2~3 hours tops ;p`
`16:34.32`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`as in, make use of all the bots`
`16:34.53`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`I'd love to have a casual session without the bot rushing :p`
`16:35.08`	`burne-`	`you cant use 2 functions in same trigger without error?!`
`16:35.11`	`burne-`	`weird stuff`
`16:35.16`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`also ProzaicMuze tl;dr :p`
`16:35.24`	`ProzaicMuze`	`lol`
`16:35.25`	`ProzaicMuze`	`you lazy bum`
`16:35.26`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`if you are normal user, troll`
`16:35.27`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`if admin`
`16:35.30`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`troll harder`
`16:35.46`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`it was like tons of text :(`
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`16:35.52`	`burne-`	`uaaaaaaaaaaaaah`
`16:35.57`	`Mexa`	`yay, chat didn't tell me I wasn't online`
`16:35.57`	`ProzaicMuze`	`Psh`
`16:35.58`	`Mexa`	`-.-`
`16:36.01`	`burne-`	`seriosly`
`16:36.02`	`burne-`	`you cannot use 2 functions`
`16:36.04`	`burne-`	`what the hell`
`16:36.05`	`ProzaicMuze`	`remember that the next time you ask for my opinion ;P`
`16:36.07`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Mexa:`
`16:36.12`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`up for some diablo 2 later on?`
`16:36.13`	`ProzaicMuze`	`"It was more than 2 words, sorry"`
`16:36.13`	`Mexa`	`yhi`
`16:36.22`	`Mexa`	`diablo 2 huh?`
`16:36.30`	`Mexa`	`What makes you think I have the game :)`
`16:36.36`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`ProzaicMuze: its not like it was only one page :p`
`16:36.45`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Mexa: you are here`
`16:36.57`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`A reason as good as any other! :p`
`16:36.59`	`Mexa`	`But this is sc2mapster :v`
`16:37.05`	`Mexa`	`not d2mapster`
`16:37.14`	`ProzaicMuze`	`My bad, I assumed you might be following Tofu and the horrible mistakes Dogmai/Dryeyece have made in their trailer and attitude thereafter`
`16:37.16`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`well that community is actually called phrozen keep`
`16:37.28`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`or pk as in politiskt korrekt att äga alla spel av blizzard`
`16:37.38`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`ProzaicMuze: nope sry`
`16:37.42`	`ProzaicMuze`	`That's not english`
`16:37.42`	`Mexa`	`Never knew about this curse community before sc2`
`16:37.43`	`ProzaicMuze`	`gtfo!`
`16:37.46`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Haven't really been active in a long time`
`16:37.47`	`ProzaicMuze`	`ENGRISH ONLY!`
`16:37.54`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`It's english`
`16:38.01`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`just an accent you dont undertand with å ä and ö`
`16:38.02`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`!`
`16:38.06`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`swenglish perhaps`
`16:38.08`	`Mexa`	`Arthas, true tho, I own wc3, d2, and sc2`
`16:38.09`	`ProzaicMuze`	`lmao`
`16:38.18`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`HA!`
`16:38.26`	`Mexa`	`and sc1 since sc2,`
`16:38.28`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`So, install d2 and join us 22:00 swedish time!`
`16:38.35`	`Mexa`	`Define us?`
`16:38.38`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`I even have WoW bound to my account`
`16:38.42`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`for some reason`
`16:38.49`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`me, pm, helral`
`16:38.53`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`and you!`
`16:38.57`	`Mexa`	`Bad timing`
`16:38.59`	`Mexa`	`:\|`
`16:39.12`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`tell that girlfriend of yours you are busy tonight and have to play d2`
`16:39.19`	`Mexa`	`lol`
`16:39.20`	`Mexa`	`Yeah`
`16:39.23`	`Mexa`	`Not that`
`16:39.25`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`then do a quicke once we get to andy`
`16:39.27`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Oh`
`16:39.28`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`ok`
`16:39.44`	`Mexa`	`I am going with some friends to watch the pirates of the carribean movie tonight`
`16:39.50`	`Mexa`	`or should I say, at midnight`
`16:39.53`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`sparrow disappears in the end!`
`16:40.01`	`Mexa`	`sure`
`16:40.04`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`:p`
`16:40.14`	`Mexa`	`and blackbeard's beard is actually brown.`
`16:40.39`	`Mexa`	`Are you going to begin all over though?`
`16:41.00`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`yup`
`16:41.24`	`Mexa`	`without given a new loot from others or other characters?`
`16:41.32`	`Mexa`	`*gear`
`16:41.41`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`yeah, at least that was the thought`
`16:41.50`	`Mexa`	`:( I wish I was there`
`16:41.51`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`no one here seems to have played since the ladder reset earlier this year`
`16:42.08`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`and no bot rushing either :p`
`16:42.16`	`Mexa`	`And no maphacks`
`16:42.19`	`Mexa`	`right?`
`16:42.31`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`i dont mind maphacks if someone has the balls to use it on their key :p`
`16:42.43`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Ive lost my key collection and barely played since they blocked the d2 loader :(`
`16:42.55`	`Mexa`	`I see.`
`16:43.13`	`Mexa`	`Well some other time`
`16:43.16`	`Mexa`	`:/`
`16:43.16`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`aight`
`16:43.25`	`Mexa`	`I might go ahead and install d2 for later though`
`16:43.30`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`we are most likely just getting through a1 though`
`16:43.42`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`since helral has 2-3 hours (read gets stuck and plays for 7)`
`16:43.57`	`Mexa`	`right`
`16:44.15`	`Mexa`	`Well, vouche me for next time comings, and I'll see what i can do for that`
`16:44.20`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`ay`
`16:44.43`	`Mexa`	`If I will have the time later on, I'll join:), but not today`
`16:44.56`	`JademusSreg`	`Did I miss anything interesting?`
`16:45.05`	`Mexa`	`Just d2 planning`
`16:45.07`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`JademusSreg: just if you wanna play diablo 2 with us :p`
`16:45.22`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`spots open if interested!`
`16:45.55`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha, thanks for the offer.`
`16:46.26`	`Mexa`	`WMP HURRY UP ALREADY <.<`
`16:46.41`	`Mexa`	`I mean movie effing maker`
`16:46.43`	`JademusSreg`	`Diablo 2 is too grindy for me. Completing Normal difficulty is about as much as I can stand.`
`16:46.44`	`Mexa`	`:/`
`16:47.19`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`my last session went something like this`
`16:47.35`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`play to 67 the semi-hard way, die in enchant game due to being stupid`
`16:47.56`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`play up again using the botted games around to 83 during the next day`
`16:48.19`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`stop playing since I hate hell as sorc when I dont have charms or money to buy charms :(`
`16:48.27`	`Helral\|Afk`	`Arthas: Ladder/Non-Ladder chars? (dunno what it means ;p )`
`16:48.34`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Ladder`
`16:48.40`	`Mexa`	`ladder is ranked, sort of`
`16:48.46`	`Mexa`	`And has some exclusive items`
`16:48.46`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`ladder chars gets pushed to non-ladder at each reset`
`16:49.18`	`JademusSreg`	`Diablo 2 was the first time I experienced an existential dilemma while playing a game, somewhere through Hell mode.`
`16:49.53`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Soooo, anyone here who ever hit 50 in D1 or 99 in D2?`
`16:49.55`	`Mexa`	`I remember watching my mate playing single player... he died several times on nightmare`
`16:49.57`	`Helral\|Afk`	`I'm playing D2 in window mode ;p`
`16:50.09`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Helral\|Afk: good thing we aint playing hardcore then :p`
`16:50.13`	`Mexa`	`I hit 94 at best I think`
`16:50.14`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha`
`16:50.15`	`Mexa`	`Without botting`
`16:50.32`	`Mexa`	`With botting nads`
`16:50.36`	`Mexa`	`*nada :)`
`16:50.43`	`JademusSreg`	`Nads.`
`16:50.53`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`when d2loader worked I played 4-6 games at the same time to get the hell hellforge quest :p`
`16:50.56`	`Mexa`	`noutypo`
`16:51.03`	`Mexa`	`lol`
`16:51.07`	`Mexa`	`You sillybean`
`16:51.25`	`JademusSreg`	`Hah.`
`16:51.31`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`MY STUFFS!`
`16:51.39`	`Mexa`	`Too bad no one is playing diablo 2 as "good sports" anymore`
`16:51.51`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`good sports`
`16:51.59`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`that was back when PK was a real problem :D`
`16:52.14`	`Mexa`	`thw what now`
`16:52.19`	`Mexa`	`*the`
`16:52.22`	`JademusSreg`	`Anyway, somewhere in Hell mode, I felt the despair of the question "what the fuck is the point of all this?" Games with grind always give me that existential dilemma.`
`16:52.34`	`Mexa`	`grind?`
`16:52.36`	`JademusSreg`	`So I don't play them.`
`16:52.41`	`Mexa`	`It grinded your gears?`
`16:52.45`	`JademusSreg`	`Naw.`
`16:52.47`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`well jade`
`16:52.54`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`grinding gets tiresome in all games`
`16:52.56`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`like wow!`
`16:52.59`	`burne-`	`aaaaaaaaltight`
`16:53.02`	`burne-`	`allllright`
`16:53.04`	`burne-`	`almost done`
`16:53.05`	`JademusSreg`	`Yep. That's why I stopped playing WoW.`
`16:53.07`	`Mexa`	`all tight`
`16:53.14`	`burne-`	`then dresnia can evaluate my results`
`16:53.14`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`EQ2 worked a bit longer for me`
`16:53.23`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`since ppl took the rp servers somewhat serious :p`
`16:53.28`	`JademusSreg`	`Wahahaha`
`16:53.39`	`Mexa`	`grinding?`
`16:53.47`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`grinding = kill mobs all over again`
`16:53.54`	`Mexa`	`oh`
`16:53.58`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`ie, baalruns`
`16:54.09`	`Mexa`	`got it`
`16:54.15`	`JademusSreg`	`I can't take any RP seriously, even when I enjoy RPing. Like playing D&D or WoD, I try to RP challenging characters. =D`
`16:54.20`	`Mexa`	`Normal/nightmare/hell was kind of a grinding too`
`16:54.28`	`Mexa`	`But still not`
`16:54.32`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`anyone know how HC works in D3?`
`16:54.49`	`Mexa`	`enough with abbreviations please :/`
`16:54.50`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`did they fuck it up to prevent actual playerkilling or ? :p`
`16:54.57`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`hardcore`
`16:55.08`	`Mexa`	`.. I should have known, bah`
`16:55.09`	`Jum-Jum`	`HC?`
`16:55.21`	`Jum-Jum`	`I see, hardcore`
`16:55.25`	`JademusSreg`	`I like creative problem solving. The first time you figure out how to kill a tough enemy is great. Doing it over and over is goddamn boring.`
`16:55.36`	`Mexa`	`Arthas, afaIk they will separate pvm and pvp`
`16:55.41`	`JademusSreg`	`Tough enemy or tough encounter.`
`16:55.48`	`*** join/#sc2mapster RipperRoo (~RipperRoo@pC19F752D.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`16:55.51`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`mexa bah`
`16:55.51`	`Mexa`	`In some way, I don't know how much yet`
`16:56.05`	`JademusSreg`	`I expect Diablo 3 will involve a buit more creative problem solving in its combat.`
`16:56.15`	`JademusSreg`	`*bit`
`16:56.25`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`JademusSreg: yeah, but it will probably become repetive pretty quick aswell`
`16:56.26`	`Jum-Jum`	`I think D3 will be more linear than D2`
`16:56.32`	`JademusSreg`	`Probably.`
`16:56.36`	`Mexa`	`Well, there's the interraction with the environment Jadmeus, as an example`
`16:56.39`	`Jum-Jum`	`Its cool seeing enemies walk up on the walls`
`16:56.45`	`Mexa`	`You can get the environment to kill the enemies`
`16:56.46`	`Jum-Jum`	`But its just one of those things thats cool`
`16:56.50`	`Jum-Jum`	`watching it over and over will get old`
`16:56.52`	`JademusSreg`	`I'd be willing to play harder difficulty levels if they actually add more to the game.`
`16:57.11`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`btw, nothing about d3 stoy has been revealed yet, right?`
`16:57.15`	`Mexa`	`Also, the AI in d3 is less straightforward than in d2`
`16:57.29`	`Mexa`	`So it shouldn't be that all repeditive depending on the encounters`
`16:57.53`	`Jum-Jum`	`DarkSpore got such bad critics`
`16:57.58`	`JademusSreg`	`I'll do what I normally do with D3; I'll "sample" it, and buy it if I really enjoy it.`
`16:57.59`	`Jum-Jum`	`But some parts of the game is actually fun`
`16:58.09`	`JademusSreg`	`I am a critic of Darkspore.`
`16:58.13`	`Mexa`	`The introduction of the game was boring`
`16:58.16`	`Jum-Jum`	`Best played with friends tho`
`16:58.16`	`Mexa`	`And repeditive`
`16:58.25`	`JademusSreg`	`It is Darkly Pretentious Diablo For Children.`
`16:58.28`	`Jum-Jum`	`And 100 unique characters was bullshit =P`
`16:58.41`	`Mexa`	`They should have choose something to let the players start with for a starter Imo.`
`16:58.43`	`Jum-Jum`	`Then you didn't get to the more difficult levels`
`16:59.03`	`JademusSreg`	`The one thing that made Spore great they removed from Darkspore so people wouldn't play as Cock monsters.`
`16:59.18`	`Jum-Jum`	`I dont find any of that immature humor funny`
`16:59.23`	`Jum-Jum`	`I'm not 13`
`16:59.26`	`JademusSreg`	`The customization is superficial./`
`16:59.27`	`Mexa`	`^`
`16:59.27`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`as for the story goes I wonder if we get to see Azmodan and Belial :O`
`16:59.40`	`Jum-Jum`	`:o`
`16:59.48`	`Jum-Jum`	`Diablo did take the best boss names ever tho`
`16:59.50`	`JademusSreg`	`The point is not that making cocks for lulz is good or necessary.`
`16:59.52`	`Jum-Jum`	`Baal, Mephisto etc`
`17:00.14`	`Mexa`	`Abnormal childish humour like dicks and such, and sex and other related matters hurt the game, really`
`17:00.25`	`Jum-Jum`	`If theres anything I hate in games`
`17:00.29`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Jum-Jum: well, the ones i mentioned are in diablo lore`
`17:00.30`	`JademusSreg`	`Probably, yes, Spore was a laughing stock.`
`17:00.33`	`Jum-Jum`	`Is those mutated abnormal large breast`
`17:00.39`	`Jum-Jum`	`I feel treated like a moron`
`17:00.42`	`Mexa`	`Also, they need to think of the ESBR rating`
`17:00.46`	`Jum-Jum`	`or like some kid who just hit puberty`
`17:00.52`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`andariel and duriel where in d2, the ones i mentioned are the two other lesser evils who originall forced baal mephisto and diablo from hell`
`17:01.17`	`Mexa`	`Plumbers don't wear ties.`
`17:01.23`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Mexa: I have the game`
`17:01.26`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`and the 3do`
`17:01.29`	`Mexa`	`xO`
`17:01.30`	`Helral\|Afk`	`I just jumped through the Jail of act 1 ;p`
`17:01.36`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Bought it just because he reviewed it :p`
`17:01.40`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`avgn that is`
`17:01.41`	`Mexa`	`lols`
`17:01.45`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`And yes, the game sucks`
`17:01.54`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`But then I got road rash for the 3do too soooo, im ok :p`
`17:02.03`	`Mexa`	`hah`
`17:02.16`	`Mexa`	`Or maybe you want to "play" the flowers of maplethorn?`
`17:02.18`	`JademusSreg`	`Cultures across all of history have crafted phallic imagery. It's no surprise it ends up in Spore, ya know? Not just out of sophomoric humor (though that is often the case in contemporary instances).`
`17:02.19`	`Mexa`	`Or whatever`
`17:02.20`	`Mexa`	`lol`
`17:02.30`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`dont know what that is`
`17:02.53`	`Mexa`	`It existed on 3do, AVGN brought it up in some episode very quickly`
`17:03.08`	`Mexa`	`Tho, you didn't miss a thing`
`17:03.09`	`Mexa`	`really`
`17:03.15`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`ah`
`17:04.12`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`i need a sega cd if you have any! :p`
`17:04.25`	`JademusSreg`	`Anyway, Darkspore is Diablo Lite; it's too easy, too limited (relative to its predecessor), sports a slick-looking but clunky interface, a silly little pretense of srs bsns scifi story, and manages to fail even a rudimentary understanding of genetics. =D`
`17:04.32`	`Mexa`	`I only have a sega mega drive`
`17:04.46`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`sooo JademusSreg what did you think of torchlight?`
`17:04.50`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Mexa: good console :)`
`17:04.56`	`JademusSreg`	`Haven't played Torchlight. =D`
`17:05.01`	`Mexa`	`I have megadrive/32x/cd on emulator too`
`17:05.16`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`emus I have`
`17:05.24`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`not what im after :)`
`17:05.29`	`Mexa`	`:>`
`17:05.33`	`Mexa`	`Yeah`
`17:05.38`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Hati (~kvirc@swhol2206.uni-trier.de)`
`17:05.45`	`Mexa`	`Well, my dad want the mega drive at home for himself`
`17:05.51`	`JademusSreg`	`Darkspore's two good points are the combat controls and the ability design.`
`17:05.53`	`Mexa`	`So I don't have much choice up here :3`
`17:06.16`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`you can buy my 2nd md ;p`
`17:06.27`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`its the md2`
`17:06.27`	`Mexa`	`The UI was kind of ugly though`
`17:06.34`	`Mexa`	`on Darkspore`
`17:06.44`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`although the cartridge connector is in need of cleaning / replacement`
`17:06.45`	`*** mode/#sc2mapster [+v Hati] by ChanServ`
`17:06.49`	`Mexa`	`Well what I think anyway, it doesn't fit the game`
`17:06.51`	`Hati`	`~seen HP-X\|Arthas`
`17:07.01`	`purl`	`hp-x\|arthas is currently on #sc2mapster. Has said a total of 359 messages. Is idling for 17s, last said: 'although the cartridge connector is in need of cleaning / replacement'.`
`17:07.01`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Hati Im always here`
`17:07.03`	`Hati`	`no`
`17:07.08`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`:(`
`17:07.11`	`JademusSreg`	`The controls are just Diablo, so that's not special. What is nice is the good design demonstrated in the abilities, each with their own side effects to facilitate additional tactical uses.`
`17:07.13`	`Hati`	`you if I close my eyes you are not`
`17:07.19`	`Hati`	`-you`
`17:07.24`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Then avoid closing your eyes!`
`17:07.28`	`JademusSreg`	`And yeah, like I said, Darkspore UI is clunky chrome poop.`
`17:07.36`	`Hati`	`but then they get dry and hurt :(`
`17:07.43`	`Mexa`	`Ah yeah:p`
`17:07.44`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`spray water in them!`
`17:07.50`	`Hati`	`spray water on you!`
`17:08.02`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`you cant reach me, im hiding behind this monitor`
`17:08.07`	`Mexa`	`Tho I see no issues with the chrome UI`
`17:08.14`	`Mexa`	`if we mention the browser`
`17:08.29`	`JademusSreg`	`My use of "chrome" is figurative in that sentence.`
`17:08.36`	`Mexa`	`oki`
`17:08.41`	`JademusSreg`	`Refering to shiny, slick looking interface.`
`17:08.52`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`http://www.tradera.com/Secret-of-Evermore-Super-Nintendo-auktion_340722_131491542`
`17:08.56`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`do want`
`17:08.57`	`Hati`	`HP-X\|Arthas: no`
`17:09.04`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`fine!`
`17:09.07`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`I wont then`
`17:09.09`	`Hati`	`?`
`17:09.16`	`Hati`	`buy it?`
`17:09.18`	`JademusSreg`	`SoE was fun as fuck.`
`17:09.20`	`Mexa`	`Shouln't you aim for something more exÃ¥ensive:p`
`17:09.31`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`JademusSreg: up for some secret of mana sometime then? ;D`
`17:09.33`	`Hati`	`Seiken Densetsu 3`
`17:09.37`	`Hati`	`is more expensive`
`17:09.49`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Mexa: well, evermore isnt that expensive. although that was a good price looking at the condition of it`
`17:09.58`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`well seiken 3 aint available in english`
`17:09.59`	`Mexa`	`yeah`
`17:10.02`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`so i prefer the rom on my computer`
`17:10.03`	`JademusSreg`	`In the first boss battle, I queued so many alchemy spells that the memory overflowed and glutched the game.`
`17:10.06`	`Hati`	`photoshopped!"`
`17:10.09`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Seiken 2 is somewhat expensive though`
`17:10.13`	`JademusSreg`	`*glitched`
`17:10.17`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`JademusSreg: lol`
`17:10.21`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`nice one`
`17:10.25`	`Mexa`	`No you glutched the game`
`17:10.25`	`JademusSreg`	`It didn't crash, mind you.`
`17:10.31`	`JademusSreg`	`It was more awesome than that.`
`17:10.37`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`insta win?`
`17:10.43`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`ie, endings rolling`
`17:11.11`	`JademusSreg`	`All the text was fucked, menus were error garbage, and the quest item menu took you to an error garbage version of the game world.`
`17:11.13`	`Mexa`	`I'm gonna jump in. Later!`
`17:11.21`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`later Mexa`
`17:11.31`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`did you ever play secret of mana then?`
`17:11.39`	`JademusSreg`	`Yep.`
`17:11.46`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`I somehow managed to get perm silence`
`17:11.48`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`on all characters`
`17:11.53`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`in pureland`
`17:11.57`	`JademusSreg`	`Charg ability, switch character, release, lulz`
`17:12.01`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`ended up finishin the game that way :p`
`17:12.19`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`I preferred marking say, the boy`
`17:12.21`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`cast spell w sprite`
`17:12.26`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`in mid of spell, recast it`
`17:12.42`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`so the boss never recovers. worked great on the guy in the sunken tasnica :p`
`17:12.47`	`JademusSreg`	`I haven't played that game in about 15 years, I can't remember much more than the combat.`
`17:12.54`	`Mexa`	`Oh btw Arthas... Diablo 1 in swedish`
`17:12.56`	`Mexa`	`Is the shit`
`17:12.59`	`Mexa`	`:>`
`17:13.02`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`no its not`
`17:13.02`	`JademusSreg`	`=D`
`17:13.10`	`Mexa`	`It's fucking funny`
`17:13.19`	`Mexa`	`The grammar is the best thing ever`
`17:13.20`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`i listened to the swe dialog (again for some reason) a few days ago :p`
`17:13.24`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`GE MIG KÖTT`
`17:13.29`	`Mexa`	`.-.`
`17:13.37`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`or whatever he says :D`
`17:13.52`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`JademusSreg: are you us or eu?`
`17:13.55`	`Hati`	`he's using the devil's tongue!`
`17:13.58`	`Hati`	`slaughter him`
`17:13.59`	`Mexa`	`All item prefixes and suffixes are pretty much translated directly to swedish words`
`17:13.59`	`JademusSreg`	`NA.`
`17:14.03`	`Mexa`	`The grammar fails.`
`17:14.10`	`Mexa`	`Hilarious :D`
`17:14.11`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Mexa: hahaha`
`17:14.15`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`never checked that out :p`
`17:14.16`	`JademusSreg`	`US is too UScentric. =D`
`17:14.21`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`but yeah, that would be a hard fail`
`17:14.29`	`Mexa`	`Arthas, let me give you a taste of some`
`17:14.36`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`JademusSreg then playing som over the internet would be mainly out of sync :p`
`17:14.46`	`Mexa`	`"Stav av hela andra"`
`17:14.50`	`JademusSreg`	`Hah.`
`17:15.02`	`Mexa`	`"Crimson lÃ¥ng bÃ¥ge av flera"`
`17:15.11`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`lol`
`17:15.28`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`I like the long bow!`
`17:15.39`	`Mexa`	`or longbow`
`17:15.41`	`Mexa`	`lol`
`17:15.44`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Now everyone`
`17:15.47`	`Hati`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gkSwck6xNc`
`17:15.55`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Let's pray that D3 re-introduces the hell shrines from Diablo 1`
`17:15.56`	`JademusSreg`	`If you play some SoE, gather up a ton of alchemy components, and on a boss, queue up a ton of spells. Hilarity will ensue. You'll begin to notice it in the alchemy spell selection circle.`
`17:16.01`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`which messed your stats up permantently!`
`17:16.19`	`Mexa`	`Arthas, "OMFATTANDE STAV AV TELEKINESI" and "JÃ¤rn kort svÃ¤rd av kvalitet" ^^`
`17:16.23`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`how many spells are we talking about`
`17:16.42`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`mexa thats terrible :D`
`17:16.54`	`JademusSreg`	`A lot.`
`17:17.14`	`Mexa`	`yeah:P was playing on the psx with a friend.. we loao..`
`17:17.16`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`will have to try that :p`
`17:17.25`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`recently? =p`
`17:17.30`	`Mexa`	`Yep`
`17:17.35`	`Mexa`	`A few days ago`
`17:17.37`	`Mexa`	`lol`
`17:17.43`	`JademusSreg`	`You'll start to notice it from the alchemy selection circle menu, like I said, because text will start to fuck up.`
`17:18.02`	`Mexa`	`Brb`
`17:18.02`	`Mexa`	`!`
`17:19.11`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`JademusSreg: trying to find it on youtube :D`
`17:19.16`	`JademusSreg`	`Me too.`
`17:20.59`	`Mexa`	`you can have mine`
`17:21.02`	`Mexa`	`Mexaprone`
`17:21.06`	`Mexa`	`.-.`
`17:21.14`	`Mexa`	`If it's of interest`
`17:21.20`	`Mexa`	`Anyways, afk`
`17:22.16`	`Mexa`	`Oh lol, I thought you said you were trying to find JademusSreg`
`17:22.18`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`later Mexa :D`
`17:22.19`	`Mexa`	`Meh`
`17:22.38`	`Mexa`	`My bad :>`
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`17:23.58`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`cant seem to find it :(`
`17:24.12`	`JademusSreg`	`Nope. I haven't seen it yet either.`
`17:24.57`	`JademusSreg`	`Strange.`
`17:25.09`	`JademusSreg`	`I figured someone would have found this glitch before.`
`17:25.56`	`JademusSreg`	`Wow, guess that makes me even more awesome.`
`17:26.16`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`:D`
`17:27.09`	`JademusSreg`	`It takes a while to gather the components for the number of spells you'll need. Get about a hundred of each you can scavenge in the prehistoric era, then unload on the boss in the fastest queue you can manage.`
`17:27.42`	`JademusSreg`	`Preferably more than a hundred of each, not that you'll need all of em to make the bug happen.`
`17:27.51`	`JademusSreg`	`It's just good to be prepared.`
`17:27.59`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`insane amount of components :p`
`17:28.19`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes. Just to make sure you will never run out.`
`17:28.28`	`JademusSreg`	`Don't want to use the Chain Cast bug either.`
`17:28.46`	`JademusSreg`	`Because that will clear the queue faster than you can build it.`
`17:29.54`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`didnt you use the chain cast bug in order to queue spells?`
`17:30.26`	`JademusSreg`	`Not that I recall, nope.`
`17:30.35`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`how did you queue up then :O`
`17:30.53`	`JademusSreg`	`I opened the menu and selected the spell. =D`
`17:31.11`	`JademusSreg`	`While the other was casting.`
`17:31.17`	`burne-`	`aaaaaaaalrightyyy`
`17:31.24`	`burne-`	`Dresnia\|AFK: there?`
`17:31.30`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`ah`
`17:31.31`	`Dresnia\|AFK`	`burne- sort off`
`17:31.39`	`Dresnia\|AFK`	`but say it in pml`
`17:31.41`	`Dresnia\|AFK`	`so I read`
`17:31.41`	`burne-`	`im gona upload video to show of my arena :)`
`17:31.47`	`Dresnia\|AFK`	`baby's crying like a bitch`
`17:31.53`	`Dresnia\|AFK`	`I'm googling wtf to do`
`17:31.53`	`Dresnia\|AFK`	`:p`
`17:31.58`	`burne-`	`finally you can see what i meant before :)`
`17:32.02`	`Dresnia\|AFK`	`=)`
`17:32.16`	`Dresnia\|AFK`	`but yeah gotta afk man`
`17:32.23`	`Dresnia\|AFK`	`baby cry's louder then 650RWS`
`17:32.25`	`Dresnia\|AFK`	`true story >_>`
`17:32.54`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`!addquote < Dresnia\|AFK> baby's crying like a bitch < Dresnia\|AFK> I'm googling wtf to do`
`17:32.58`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`COMEON PURL`
`17:33.00`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`~addquote < Dresnia\|AFK> baby's crying like a bitch < Dresnia\|AFK> I'm googling wtf to do`
`17:33.30`	`burne-`	`I finally have solved the problem that Iv had since I begun working with editor`
`17:33.31`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Rnuomer (~Rnuomer@cpe-67-240-129-41.rochester.res.rr.com)`
`17:33.34`	`Rnuomer`	`hi`
`17:33.35`	`burne-`	`so im kinda proud of myself :)`
`17:33.51`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`JademusSreg: you know of any emulator that has somewhat stable netplay?`
`17:33.57`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`snes9x removed netplay iirc`
`17:34.02`	`Helral\|Afk`	`HP-X\|Arthas: addquote is supported by purl?`
`17:34.09`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Helral\|Afk: nope :(`
`17:34.09`	`Rnuomer`	`is this the place to be for SC2 eaditor help?`
`17:34.14`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Rnuomer: yeah`
`17:34.19`	`Rnuomer`	`k`
`17:34.25`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`and hi`
`17:34.25`	`Rnuomer`	`I have a question`
`17:34.27`	`JademusSreg`	`Nope. irc is about as social as I get, so netplay has not been a concern of mine.`
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`17:34.47`	`Rnuomer`	`how can I detect when one player has one in melee?`
`17:34.53`	`Rnuomer`	`won*`
`17:34.57`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`also jade, you where on the wc3c too right?`
`17:35.06`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`or is it just from the forums i recall your nick`
`17:35.07`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`hmmm`
`17:35.12`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes, I am Owenalacaster in the wc3 community.`
`17:35.39`	`JademusSreg`	`Rnu, there are melee triggers for that.`
`17:35.44`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`ah, dont recall that :D`
`17:35.52`	`ProzaicMuze`	`brb`
`17:36.21`	`JademusSreg`	`Or if you just want to get a bool result, make a function to check the player unit counts that have the structure attribute.`
`17:36.21`	`Rnuomer`	`I don't see one for when the player wins`
`17:36.43`	`JademusSreg`	`You mean you want a trigger to fire on victory for a player?`
`17:36.44`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfwDWsK2TYw lol nice glitch :D`
`17:36.54`	`JademusSreg`	`An end game, victory event?`
`17:36.55`	`Hati`	`http://www.zie.nl/video/opmerkelijk/Honkballer-met-spider-sense/m1gz4xqfnu7c`
`17:36.58`	`Rnuomer`	`yes`
`17:37.19`	`Rnuomer`	`what I'm trying to do is, when the player wins, his resources are saved to a bank`
`17:37.34`	`Rnuomer`	`that he can access in later games for extra perks & such`
`17:38.00`	`JademusSreg`	`Fun.`
`17:38.12`	`Rnuomer`	`I want it to fire when he's the winner`
`17:38.29`	`Rnuomer`	`i.e. when he kills the last building or opponent gg's & quits`
`17:38.59`	`JademusSreg`	`Trigger event on unit death.`
`17:39.11`	`JademusSreg`	`Then perform the check for each player.`
`17:39.55`	`Helral\|Afk`	`I'll go play some oldschool game ;p (MK3 for the pc ;) )`
`17:40.00`	`JademusSreg`	`Or trioggero n unit death and get the active players remaining.`
`17:40.40`	`Dresnia\|AFK`	`GOD THIS BABY`
`17:40.47`	`Dresnia\|AFK`	`IM PUTTING IT ON EBAY`
`17:40.49`	`Dresnia\|AFK`	`:(`
`17:40.55`	`Rnuomer`	`D:=`
`17:40.57`	`Rnuomer`	`y?`
`17:41.18`	`burne-`	`renderiiiing`
`17:41.18`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Bibendus (~IceChat7@ip-80-67-114-201.static.adsl.cheapnet.it)`
`17:41.32`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Dresnia\|AFK: you might wanna try craigslist`
`17:41.36`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`ebay removes those ads`
`17:41.44`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`those auctions*`
`17:42.03`	`Hati`	`damn again forgot to update java -.-`
`17:44.24`	`JademusSreg`	`Why what Rnu?`
`17:44.37`	`Rnuomer`	`y sell baby`
`17:45.10`	`Helral\|Afk`	`cause it be loud ;p`
`17:45.21`	`Dresnia\|AFK`	`seriously`
`17:45.25`	`Dresnia\|AFK`	`first night alone with it`
`17:45.32`	`Dresnia\|AFK`	`wife made it look easy lol`
`17:45.42`	`Dresnia\|AFK`	`I gave it food and a new diper`
`17:45.45`	`Helral\|Afk`	`Dresnia keep it quiet ;p I can hear her/him way here ;p`
`17:45.48`	`Dresnia\|AFK`	`what could it possible need more`
`17:45.53`	`Helral\|Afk`	`attention ;p`
`17:45.54`	`Dresnia\|AFK`	`oh shhh`
`17:45.57`	`Helral\|Afk`	`sleep ;p`
`17:45.57`	`Dresnia\|AFK`	`its falling asleep now`
`17:46.02`	`Dresnia\|AFK`	`or not`
`17:46.08`	`Dresnia\|AFK`	`right afk again >_>`
`17:46.18`	`Rnuomer`	`so is there like a simple trigger to detect when player 1 has won, or do I have to check for each one?`
`17:46.19`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha.`
`17:47.00`	`JademusSreg`	`If you don't see an event for Player Wins the Game, there probably isn't one. =)`
`17:47.28`	`JademusSreg`	`Are you comfortable working with unitgroups and playergroups?`
`17:47.59`	`Obatztrara`	`theres an event for when a player leaves the game as victor`
`17:48.04`	`Obatztrara`	`not sure if it helps you`
`17:48.04`	`JademusSreg`	`Yup.`
`17:48.19`	`burne-`	`uploadiiiiing`
`17:48.23`	`JademusSreg`	`But will that permit tuime to save a bank?`
`17:48.25`	`Obatztrara`	`maybe you can still save stuff to his bank, maybe you cant`
`17:48.27`	`Obatztrara`	`yea`
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`17:48.35`	`burne-`	`subscribe to my youtube channel and you might be first one to see it!`
`17:49.06`	`Rnuomer`	`sorry back, was AFK`
`17:49.38`	`Rnuomer`	`I want to run it when the player wins, not when he leaves`
`17:50.00`	`Rnuomer`	`because then he could continue the game & mine out the whole map`
`17:50.26`	`JademusSreg`	`Same thing, Rnu.`
`17:50.55`	`JademusSreg`	`You aren't the winner until you are presented with the leave game menuajig`
`17:50.59`	`Rnuomer`	`I don't think it is =:O`
`17:51.14`	`*** join/#sc2mapster LordAbyss (~Christoph@ip72-201-114-36.ph.ph.cox.net)`
`17:51.22`	`JademusSreg`	`There isn't some hidden variable for the winner.`
`17:51.45`	`*** join/#sc2mapster ProzaicMuze (Error@c-98-232-252-235.hsd1.or.comcast.net)`
`17:51.47`	`JademusSreg`	`You are a winner when GameOver (int player, int type, bool showDialog, bool showScore); is called.`
`17:51.53`	`*** mode/#sc2mapster [+v ProzaicMuze] by ChanServ`
`17:52.00`	`Rnuomer`	`I want it to run when the victory screen pops up, not when he clicks the "Scorescreen" button`
`17:52.06`	`JademusSreg`	`int type determined victory, defeat or tie.`
`17:52.37`	`Rnuomer`	`I'm not very good with editor tbh`
`17:53.14`	`JademusSreg`	`Everyone's gotta learn if they want to make even bad maps, much less good ones.`
`17:54.02`	`Rnuomer`	`so how do I detect when the victory screen pops up then?`
`17:54.12`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha`
`17:54.22`	`JademusSreg`	`GameOver causes that little menu to pop.`
`17:54.34`	`JademusSreg`	`Is showDialog is true.`
`17:54.36`	`JademusSreg`	`*If`
`17:54.50`	`Rnuomer`	`wait where would that be`
`17:54.51`	`ProzaicMuze`	`Wow. . . so I just started editing a SR Portrait double session of this gal`
`17:55.01`	`ProzaicMuze`	`The first session she's your typical teenage girl`
`17:55.15`	`ProzaicMuze`	`In the 2nd session, which was taken several months later, she suddenly has MASSIVE breasts`
`17:55.29`	`JademusSreg`	`Rnu, I do galaxy, but there is an equivalent GUI action for nearly every galaxy function.`
`17:55.55`	`ProzaicMuze`	`When I called the photographer to figure out wtf happend and if I'm s'posed to match the breast sizes or something (lol?), I find out that the gal's mom gave her a boob job for her graduation present. . .`
`17:56.08`	`JademusSreg`	`Prozaic, that sounds great/terrible.`
`17:56.26`	`Rnuomer`	`=:O`
`17:56.39`	`ProzaicMuze`	`Yeah. . . 17/18 y/o gal gets a boob job. . . from mom. . .`
`17:56.40`	`JademusSreg`	`Rnu is a rabbit, apparently.`
`17:56.42`	`ProzaicMuze`	`Crazy world we live in`
`17:56.48`	`Rnuomer`	`bunny =:3`
`17:57.21`	`JademusSreg`	`Damn lagomorphs!`
`17:57.39`	`JademusSreg`	`Also, damn breast enlargement surgeries!`
`17:58.25`	`JademusSreg`	`Big breasts are great, provided they are natural; small cute breasts have their place in the world too.`
`17:59.09`	`ProzaicMuze`	`I'm just surprised the mom opted for it`
`17:59.33`	`JademusSreg`	`I've heard of stuff like that before.`
`17:59.45`	`JademusSreg`	`Kinda sad.`
`18:05.12`	`Mexa`	`^`
`18:06.25`	`burne-`	`procesiiiiiiing`
`18:06.29`	`burne-`	`damn its taking long`
`18:06.36`	`burne-`	`for like 1min video if even that`
`18:10.28`	`burne-`	`dooooooone`
`18:10.30`	`burne-`	`Dresnia\|AFK: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUPy59hvqUg`
`18:13.08`	`Helral\|Afk`	`cya lot later, gonna watch some tv and/or read a book ;p`
`18:13.14`	`burne-`	`noo Helral\|Afk`
`18:13.15`	`burne-`	`pew pew pew`
`18:13.17`	`burne-`	`watch my video`
`18:13.46`	`Helral\|Afk`	`does it contain statler?`
`18:15.03`	`burne-`	`yes`
`18:15.14`	`Helral\|Afk`	`waldorf?`
`18:16.47`	`burne-`	`yes`
`18:20.30`	`ProzaicMuze`	`lmfao`
`18:20.31`	`ProzaicMuze`	`burne. . .`
`18:20.35`	`ProzaicMuze`	`I am so no impressed`
`18:20.38`	`ProzaicMuze`	`the UI was awful`
`18:20.40`	`ProzaicMuze`	`the jump was buggy`
`18:20.42`	`ProzaicMuze`	`your face was ugly`
`18:20.43`	`ProzaicMuze`	`ugh`
`18:20.45`	`ProzaicMuze`	`so bad`
`18:21.37`	`JademusSreg`	`What is a goku firebat? D=`
`18:22.40`	`ProzaicMuze`	`You just watched the video, did you not?`
`18:22.42`	`ProzaicMuze`	`THAT is a goku firebat`
`18:23.02`	`JademusSreg`	`I mean, is it a DBZ reference or something?`
`18:23.33`	`JademusSreg`	`Because DragonBall Z is the herpes of anime.`
`18:29.02`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`ProzaicMuze: it looks like helral is out from d2 :p`
`18:29.07`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`wanna give it a shot tomorrow instead?`
`18:29.40`	`burne-`	`haters gona hate ProzaicMuze`
`18:29.42`	`Helral\|Afk`	`well you can ask me in 1h30 I might be up for it then again.... though doubt it ;p`
`18:29.52`	`ProzaicMuze`	`w`
`18:29.53`	`ProzaicMuze`	`t`
`18:29.54`	`ProzaicMuze`	`f`
`18:29.59`	`ProzaicMuze`	`I clear my massively important and busy schedule for you`
`18:30.01`	`ProzaicMuze`	`so I can play D2`
`18:30.04`	`ProzaicMuze`	`AND YOU BAIL ON ME!?`
`18:30.06`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`im still game :p`
`18:30.13`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`if you are up to playing the two of you`
`18:30.15`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`us`
`18:30.19`	`ProzaicMuze`	`lol it's fine`
`18:30.24`	`ProzaicMuze`	`I can play tomorrow/today whatever`
`18:30.26`	`ProzaicMuze`	`just remind me`
`18:30.28`	`ProzaicMuze`	`or i'll forget`
`18:30.30`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`but the exp gain sucks on two players :D`
`18:30.37`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`I always nag in order to remind ppl!`
`18:30.48`	`ProzaicMuze`	`nagging works`
`18:30.55`	`ProzaicMuze`	`it justifies my need for trolling`
`18:33.23`	`Dresnia\|AFK`	`lol burne-`
`18:33.24`	`Dresnia\|AFK`	`wtf`
`18:34.09`	`burne-`	`:/`
`18:34.15`	`burne-`	`you not happy?`
`18:34.29`	`Mexa`	`If you guys are gonna play d2 tomorrow instead, I might be free to join`
`18:35.07`	`Dresnia\|AFK`	`burne- I got no clue what you wanna achieve`
`18:35.12`	`Dresnia\|AFK`	`the system seems to be working but`
`18:35.21`	`Dresnia\|AFK`	`whats the point behind goku theme`
`18:35.51`	`burne-`	`its a bit related to dbz`
`18:35.56`	`burne-`	`thats my inspiration to it`
`18:36.21`	`Dresnia\|AFK`	`okay`
`18:37.36`	`burne-`	`I think im gona make my arena a bit like angle arena in wc3`
`18:37.43`	`burne-`	`add some creeps you can kill`
`18:38.01`	`burne-`	`and power will probly be my version of tomer/str,int,agi in wc3`
`18:38.25`	`burne-`	`but we will just have to see if I can make anything`
`18:38.30`	`Dresnia\|AFK`	`:o`
`18:38.31`	`burne-`	`I just do stuff and see if it works or not`
`18:38.51`	`Dresnia\|AFK`	`think baby is asleep now :o`
`18:38.56`	`Rnuomer`	`yay`
`18:39.15`	`Dresnia\|AFK`	`or not`
`18:39.17`	`Dresnia\|AFK`	`pfff`
`18:39.26`	`Dresnia\|AFK`	`where's this mute option on this babyphone :p`
`18:39.27`	`Rnuomer`	`is leaving the game before it's over counted as leaving the game with defeat?`
`18:39.40`	`Dresnia\|AFK`	`in a melee ? ofcourse`
`18:39.41`	`JademusSreg`	`Undecided.`
`18:40.28`	`JademusSreg`	`Rnu is making something to bank resource value for the victor.`
`18:40.48`	`Rnuomer`	`so if I have something set up to run when Player 2 leaves the game with Defeat, it will run when he surrenders?`
`18:41.25`	`JademusSreg`	`Sure. Although what will prevent 2 or more people from working together to grind resources to bank?`
`18:41.38`	`Rnuomer`	`nothing really`
`18:41.51`	`Rnuomer`	`but I will put something in`
`18:42.14`	`Rnuomer`	`so you have to be in game for a few minutes first`
`18:42.41`	`Rnuomer`	`before the resources count`
`18:43.26`	`JademusSreg`	`What will that accomplish?`
`18:43.41`	`Dresnia\|AFK`	`Could also put in a 'hidden' check, if they keep leaving all the time they get punished or so`
`18:44.09`	`Rnuomer`	`dunno`
`18:44.30`	`JademusSreg`	`Dunno what?`
`18:44.52`	`Rnuomer`	`dunno wat leaving out short games would do`
`18:45.16`	`JademusSreg`	`If you don't have a good reason for it, then don't implement it.`
`18:45.19`	`Rnuomer`	`kk`
`18:45.28`	`Rnuomer`	`less work for me then =:3`
`18:45.53`	`Dresnia`	`...`
`18:46.10`	`Dresnia`	`It's better too think it over properly then dump it and make bad shit :p`
`18:46.20`	`Rnuomer`	`yeah`
`18:46.51`	`Rnuomer`	`how would I make sure the people didn't grind their way through with a friend tho?`
`18:47.38`	`Rnuomer`	`I don't think there's a simple way to do that`
`18:49.14`	`Dresnia`	`I feel proud I managed to feet my baby and get it asleep all by myself for the first time`
`18:49.20`	`Dresnia`	`someone hug me to share this emotion`
`18:49.29`	`Dresnia`	`feed**`
`18:49.36`	`Dresnia`	`No childporn fetish in here >_>`
`18:49.37`	`JademusSreg`	`Anyway, with regards to your trigger I think you should detect when there is only one player left; you make a defeat trigger, that's easy, and have it check for the victor at the end, by determining number of active players remaining == 1. For that player, save its shit to the bank and then call GameOver victory for it.`
`18:51.01`	`JademusSreg`	`Dres, congrats on fulfilling your parental duties, like billions other humans throughout history. You have leveled up; you are now a Level 1 Parent.`
`18:51.20`	`Rnuomer`	`so... should I get rid of the default melee action that sets the victory condition & do it manually?`
`18:51.28`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes.`
`18:51.33`	`Rnuomer`	`kk`
`18:51.35`	`Dresnia`	`Haha thanks JademusSreg :)`
`18:51.37`	`Rnuomer`	`shouldn't be too hard...`
`18:51.41`	`Dresnia`	`I guess we the only dad around here`
`18:51.41`	`Rnuomer`	`also`
`18:51.48`	`Rnuomer`	`bunnyhugs Dresnia`
`18:52.02`	`JademusSreg`	`Rnu is a bunny, apparently.`
`18:52.05`	`JademusSreg`	`Helral is a cat.`
`18:52.06`	`Rnuomer`	`=:3`
`18:52.10`	`Dresnia`	`http://kotaku.com/5802313/batman-goes-multiplayer-with-gotham-city-impostors`
`18:52.12`	`Dresnia`	`:O`
`18:52.12`	`JademusSreg`	`Cats eat bunnies.`
`18:52.14`	`JademusSreg`	`D=`
`18:52.44`	`Rnuomer`	`D:=`
`18:53.11`	`JademusSreg`	`Or rather, big cats eat small bunnies.`
`18:53.34`	`JademusSreg`	`Adult bunnies have sharp claws for kicking, feels none too good.`
`18:54.12`	`JademusSreg`	`=D`
`18:54.48`	`Dresnia`	`JademusSreg how old are you btw`
`18:54.51`	`Dresnia`	`like.. 28-31 ?`
`18:55.01`	`JademusSreg`	`Zero.`
`18:55.09`	`Dresnia`	`oh common`
`18:55.10`	`JademusSreg`	`Running gag is running.`
`18:55.17`	`Dresnia`	`age isnt sharing personal life`
`18:55.26`	`Deaod`	`away from the punchline`
`18:55.33`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha`
`18:55.43`	`Dresnia`	`I won't punch you if you tell`
`18:55.44`	`Dresnia`	`:D`
`18:55.56`	`JademusSreg`	`You couldn't either way, hah.`
`18:56.02`	`Deaod`	`the gag might.`
`18:56.29`	`JademusSreg`	`I am approximately a quarter of a century old.`
`18:57.22`	`Mexa`	`25 would have been only 2 characters instead of the many ones you just typed`
`18:57.26`	`Mexa`	`:>`
`18:58.04`	`JademusSreg`	`Approximately. =D`
`18:58.19`	`Mexa`	`~ could replace that, no:p?`
`18:58.24`	`JademusSreg`	`Yup.`
`18:58.46`	`JademusSreg`	`But I enjoy the ambiguity.`
`18:59.01`	`Mexa`	`Or overcomplexitivity?`
`18:59.10`	`Mexa`	`Durr, that word was probably wrong`
`18:59.14`	`JademusSreg`	`Sometimes.`
`18:59.53`	`Mexa`	`Bidendius\|AFK`
`19:00.14`	`Mexa`	`ergg, why am I writing an extra 'i' each time`
`19:00.20`	`Mexa`	`Bidendus\|AFK`
`19:00.24`	`Mexa`	`ding.`
`19:01.10`	`Rnuomer`	`that time u still did it`
`19:01.15`	`Deaod`	`i think you want to write Bibendus\|AFK`
`19:01.20`	`Bibendus\|AFK`	`huh`
`19:01.27`	`Deaod`	`see?`
`19:01.31`	`Bibendus`	`xD`
`19:01.38`	`Bibendus`	`next time try using TAB`
`19:01.40`	`Bibendus`	`:P`
`19:01.47`	`Deaod`	`no mIRC here`
`19:01.48`	`Bibendus`	`what mexa`
`19:02.03`	`Bibendus`	`mexa mexa mexa`
`19:02.13`	`Mexa`	`Still listening to that chiptune radio I linked?`
`19:02.31`	`Bibendus`	`yep`
`19:02.36`	`Bibendus`	`now I paused to watch RWJ`
`19:02.36`	`Mexa`	`oh yeah, forgot about tab`
`19:02.37`	`Mexa`	`lol`
`19:02.41`	`Mexa`	`ah`
`19:02.42`	`Mexa`	`lol`
`19:02.43`	`Mexa`	`:3`
`19:03.02`	`Mexa`	`Yeah, saw the ep already`
`19:03.28`	`Mexa`	`Deaod, yup somewhat fail on that`
`19:04.38`	`Bibendus`	`=3`
`19:04.40`	`Bibendus`	`not :3`
`19:04.41`	`Bibendus`	`lol`
`19:05.57`	`Mexa`	`:>`
`19:06.40`	`JademusSreg`	`Ars Technica headline: "US warns: hack us, and we might bomb you"`
`19:06.57`	`Deaod`	`lets hack the US`
`19:08.35`	`Rnuomer`	`let's not`
`19:08.40`	`Rnuomer`	`getting bombed hurts =:(`
`19:08.51`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`JademusSreg: lol whut`
`19:09.26`	`JademusSreg`	`http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/05/us-warns-of-military-response-to-severe-cyberattacks.ars`
`19:09.28`	`Deaod`	`if they bomb someone in another country, the diplomatic consequences could hurt the US very much`
`19:09.38`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`no shit :p`
`19:09.45`	`Deaod`	`:)`
`19:10.06`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`I fucking double dare them to bomb someone gaining unauthorized access to their systems :p`
`19:10.24`	`Rnuomer`	`double dare`
`19:10.26`	`Rnuomer`	`y not`
`19:10.27`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`but since i have read the article`
`19:10.32`	`Rnuomer`	`triple dog dare D:=`
`19:10.38`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`it probably says something entirly else than the headline itself`
`19:11.17`	`JademusSreg`	`"All options are on the table"`
`19:11.20`	`JademusSreg`	`Hah.`
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`19:13.25`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`asdf`
`19:13.34`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`i cant get this secret of mana smv to play :(`
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`19:27.31`	`Ousnius`	`hey`
`19:27.41`	`Rnuomer`	`hi =:D`
`19:27.42`	`JademusSreg`	`?`
`19:27.49`	`Ousnius`	`I need somebody to test my layout designer program`
`19:27.55`	`Ousnius`	`I coded the very basics of it`
`19:28.03`	`Ousnius`	`and I need to know if it works for you`
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`19:28.51`	`Bounty`	`Hay Guyz`
`19:28.58`	`Ousnius`	`new layout -> edit resourcepanel width & height -> save and import -> map -> choose layout in data editor ->test`
`19:28.59`	`Ousnius`	`hi`
`19:28.59`	`JademusSreg`	`What OS, bit, is it source or built, and what are the requirements?`
`19:29.02`	`JademusSreg`	`Hi Bounty.`
`19:29.10`	`Ousnius`	`windows`
`19:29.20`	`Ousnius`	`only windows`
`19:29.22`	`Ousnius`	`it's an exe`
`19:30.18`	`JademusSreg`	`Is it 32 or 64?`
`19:31.02`	`Ousnius`	`32`
`19:31.04`	`Ousnius`	`well both`
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`19:31.21`	`Ousnius`	`it works on both but it doesnt support 64 bit speedwise`
`19:31.23`	`JademusSreg`	`You built it in both 64 and 32?`
`19:31.30`	`JademusSreg`	`Well, then it's 32.`
`19:32.07`	`Ousnius`	`I built it on a 64 bit windows`
`19:32.11`	`Ousnius`	`it should work for 32 bits`
`19:32.13`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha`
`19:33.05`	`JademusSreg`	`Anyway, gotta link?`
`19:33.23`	`JademusSreg`	`What extension does it use for its files?`
`19:33.38`	`Ousnius`	`you need an empty testmap`
`19:33.47`	`Ousnius`	`to let it import the file`
`19:33.51`	`Ousnius`	`,SC2Layout ofc`
`19:34.13`	`JademusSreg`	`Injected process? Or does it modify the map?`
`19:34.45`	`Ousnius`	`it modifies it`
`19:34.50`	`Ousnius`	`imports the sc2layout file`
`19:43.24`	`Rnuomer`	`will having a trigger that checks the conditions every time a unit dies slow down the game while alot of things are dying?`
`19:45.03`	`JademusSreg`	`No.`
`19:45.17`	`Rnuomer`	`k`
`19:45.51`	`JademusSreg`	`Having a lot of triggers with the same event and lots of ops though could, since it's creating many threads.`
`19:46.43`	`stewox`	`what's the big deal !`
`19:47.08`	`stewox`	`SC2 is not x64`
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`20:00.18`	`Xapti`	`funny that question is asked`
`20:00.25`	`Xapti`	`because I was just goint to ask something related`
`20:01.10`	`Helral\|Afk`	`meow`
`20:01.29`	`Xapti`	`If I have the event "any player moves mouse", but have a condition variable(which=0)=1, will it still lag the game up?`
`20:01.47`	`Xapti`	`I'm thinking it will, wouldn't it`
`20:01.52`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes.`
`20:02.09`	`Xapti`	`it's so annoying`
`20:02.14`	`JademusSreg`	`It anbsolutely will, beyond any doubt.`
`20:02.16`	`Xapti`	`I hate blizzards design of some of this stff`
`20:02.41`	`Xapti`	`especially this mouse move`
`20:02.48`	`Xapti`	`the only thing it's useful for is ssingle player games`
`20:03.35`	`JademusSreg`	`Make certain you only use one trigger with that event. =D`
`20:04.22`	`Xapti`	`eh using that event at all wwwill botch any multiplayer game anyway I'd say`
`20:04.42`	`JademusSreg`	`Relative to normal latency? Sure.`
`20:04.55`	`Xapti`	`normal latency is slow latency, so yes`
`20:05.02`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha.`
`20:05.25`	`JademusSreg`	`I made Input to streamline player input shit like that.`
`20:05.51`	`Xapti`	`what?`
`20:06.25`	`JademusSreg`	`It just saves all the state information to a struct array, so it can be accessed from a main loop or whathaveya.`
`20:07.28`	`Xapti`	`SC2 implements inputs so terribly. You should be able to have people query mouse position locally and then send the value in whatever circumstance it was used, as opposed to the dumb system that exists now`
`20:07.36`	`JademusSreg`	`Shawn made the GUI version under my direction: http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/trigger-libraries/19464-triggers-input-capture-system/#p1`
`20:08.21`	`Xapti`	`setting up an event for it is just ridiculous`
`20:08.40`	`JademusSreg`	`I agree.`
`20:08.52`	`JademusSreg`	`But it's not like we have an option.`
`20:09.33`	`JademusSreg`	`Retrieving it selectively would be great, of course, but there's not much we can do about it.`
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`20:10.15`	`Xapti`	`so what does that script do more precisely?`
`20:10.55`	`JademusSreg`	`It uses at most 5 triggers to set the states for input.`
`20:11.24`	`Xapti`	`but that causes lag still right, for instance the mouse movement`
`20:12.03`	`JademusSreg`	`1 for key up, 1 for key down, 1 for mouse button up, 1 for mouse button down, 1 for mouse movement, and they are all togglable.`
`20:12.11`	`Xapti`	`mouse movement event triggered 70 times a second when I was testing locally`
`20:12.19`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoIA-tkdQ1g`
`20:12.42`	`Xapti`	`(assuming Iwas moving the mouse)`
`20:12.50`	`Xapti`	`that would just break the game with 14 people playing`
`20:12.55`	`JademusSreg`	`Yup. Mousemovement is terrible on the net traffic, no doubt.`
`20:13.36`	`JademusSreg`	`The best you can do is optimize the number of trigger events registered for it.`
`20:13.45`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`there is no local mousemovemet?`
`20:13.49`	`JademusSreg`	`Which is to say, only use 1.`
`20:14.10`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha, no.`
`20:14.24`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`but whyyyyy`
`20:14.37`	`JademusSreg`	`If only we had PlayerGetUIMouseX and shit like that.`
`20:15.15`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`one of the selling points for the expansion perhaps :p`
`20:15.40`	`JademusSreg`	`If I had to guess, it's because both implementations would cause the same net traffic.`
`20:16.10`	`JademusSreg`	`Because mouse movement and clicking and keys and shit are normally asynchronous.`
`20:16.39`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`normally :p`
`20:16.41`	`JademusSreg`	`The lag you experience with those triggers is a resulty of synchronization wahaha`
`20:17.05`	`JademusSreg`	`So the problem might be more or less unsolvable.`
`20:17.22`	`Xapti`	`mouse position updating, and keystates should all be done locally like 99% of games and programs that exist on the planet`
`20:18.06`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha`
`20:18.38`	`JademusSreg`	`I think you misunderstand what I addressed there.`
`20:18.52`	`JademusSreg`	`Of course it's local.`
`20:19.54`	`JademusSreg`	`But the synchronization required for the trigger event to run synchronously for all users puts a lot of overhead on it.`
`20:20.08`	`Xapti`	`yeah I just mean it shouldn't be an event, should just have a function for mouse position`
`20:20.12`	`Nash\|327`	`you can't resize image in a dialog? D;`
`20:20.20`	`Nash\|327`	`sux`
`20:20.29`	`JademusSreg`	`My point is -that- would cause the same problem.`
`20:20.35`	`JademusSreg`	`You can nash,.`
`20:20.58`	`Nash\|327`	`It just crops it when I create a smaller dialog item :G`
`20:21.05`	`Helral\|Afk`	`the problem is that triggers require syncing for mouse and keyb events`
`20:21.08`	`JademusSreg`	`Yup.`
`20:21.19`	`JademusSreg`	`Image type, Nash.`
`20:21.27`	`Nash\|327`	`image type what?`
`20:21.33`	`Nash\|327`	`It's Normal now`
`20:21.38`	`JademusSreg`	`The image has a type.`
`20:21.53`	`Helral\|Afk`	`nash: tiled = false then it fills.`
`20:22.00`	`JademusSreg`	`The type determines if its a bordert, icon, and whatnot.`
`20:22.13`	`JademusSreg`	`Yeah, that.`
`20:22.15`	`Nash\|327`	`tiled only works when image size is border`
`20:22.31`	`Nash\|327`	`is what the action property description says`
`20:22.32`	`Nash\|327`	`D_D`
`20:22.50`	`Nash\|327`	`image type*`
`20:22.52`	`Helral\|Afk`	`really? for me it works always...`
`20:23.02`	`Nash\|327`	`oh well, gonna try it`
`20:24.23`	`Nash\|327`	`huh, it works`
`20:24.31`	`Nash\|327`	`fuck you, description`
`20:26.37`	`JademusSreg`	`Hahaha`
`20:26.41`	`JademusSreg`	`Yup.`
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`20:39.09`	`Triceron`	`Ahoy`
`20:39.14`	`Rnuomer`	`hi =:D`
`20:39.17`	`JademusSreg`	`Hi.`
`20:43.18`	`JademusSreg`	`Watching Dimage vs Droobie.`
`20:44.10`	`SentryIII`	`link?`
`20:44.18`	`JademusSreg`	`http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/Special%20Endrey`
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`20:44.46`	`JademusSreg`	`*Dimaga oops`
`20:44.56`	`JademusSreg`	`Match just ended.`
`20:45.12`	`SentryIII`	`=_=`
`20:45.14`	`JademusSreg`	`Dimaga went ling ultra infestor.`
`20:45.23`	`JademusSreg`	`Against bio terran.`
`20:45.27`	`JademusSreg`	`MMM`
`20:45.50`	`JademusSreg`	`Ooops, Drewbie, haha`
`20:51.22`	`SentryIII`	`wow`
`20:51.34`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha, sweet.`
`20:51.51`	`JademusSreg`	`Nice contain break.`
`20:52.03`	`JademusSreg`	`Which is to say, poor contain.`
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`20:55.56`	`Nash\|327`	`http://i.imgur.com/TuhsW.jpg`
`20:56.01`	`Nash\|327`	`IT'S A UI`
`20:56.07`	`SentryIII`	`Stream is lagging for me`
`20:56.09`	`SentryIII`	`What's going on?`
`20:56.41`	`JademusSreg`	`I don't have any trouble.`
`20:57.11`	`SentryIII`	`I see a pic and audio`
`20:57.25`	`SentryIII`	`oh wtf he got broken`
`20:58.06`	`Obatztrara`	`not bad nash. I dont really like the backgrounds, but the general setup looks good and seems to make sense for your map`
`20:58.19`	`Nash\|327`	`backgrounds?`
`20:58.24`	`SentryIII`	`wait dimaga left?`
`20:58.40`	`SentryIII`	`I thought drewbie was gonna gg`
`20:58.41`	`JademusSreg`	`Yup.`
`20:58.52`	`JademusSreg`	`Dimaga lost his main.`
`20:58.59`	`JademusSreg`	`Gold expansion was under attack too.`
`20:59.00`	`SentryIII`	`I never saw that =_=`
`20:59.15`	`Nash\|327`	`The bars? They are existing hero bars tinted in green/blue`
`20:59.17`	`SentryIII`	`I just saw dimaga in drewbies base and he was losing lots of scvs`
`20:59.37`	`SentryIII`	`damn stream lag :<`
`20:59.43`	`JademusSreg`	`The frame borders need work. Layout is fine-ish.`
`20:59.50`	`Nash\|327`	`using existing textures`
`20:59.59`	`JademusSreg`	`I know.`
`21:00.02`	`JademusSreg`	`=D`
`21:01.47`	`Nash\|327`	`now to make events for updating the bars :G`
`21:02.13`	`Rnuomer`	`how can I test my map without publishing?`
`21:02.22`	`Rnuomer`	`if it's multiplayer & has banks?`
`21:02.34`	`Nash\|327`	`D_D`
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`21:03.39`	`Dresnia`	`:>`
`21:04.06`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha`
`21:04.22`	`JademusSreg`	`Banks aren't multioplayer only.`
`21:04.49`	`Rnuomer`	`but how do I test banks then`
`21:05.00`	`Rnuomer`	`can I place a file somewhere`
`21:05.09`	`Rnuomer`	`that will be recognized as such?`
`21:07.26`	`JademusSreg`	`?`
`21:07.39`	`JademusSreg`	`Do you know how banks work?`
`21:07.43`	`Rnuomer`	`the banks are XML files right?`
`21:07.47`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes.`
`21:08.47`	`Rnuomer`	`so would I be able to, for testing purposes, place a file with the name of my bank in like SC2 folder\whatever\ & have that be used?`
`21:09.25`	`JademusSreg`	`Sure, only it needs to be properlt formatted.`
`21:09.37`	`JademusSreg`	`You do know how banks are made, right?`
`21:09.47`	`Rnuomer`	`not really =:(`
`21:10.01`	`JademusSreg`	`A command in the map creates them.`
`21:10.13`	`JademusSreg`	`Why you would make one manually is beyond me.`
`21:11.25`	`Mephs`	`banks are made by greedy rich fucks who want more money`
`21:11.57`	`Dresnia`	`lol`
`21:12.00`	`Dresnia`	`Mephs`
`21:12.07`	`Dresnia`	`why arent the streams you guys do`
`21:12.11`	`Dresnia`	`not shown too replay ?`
`21:12.21`	`Dresnia`	`both sessions are like 10 and 5minutes up only`
`21:13.02`	`JademusSreg`	`Hah.`
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`21:31.31`	`Mephs`	`smash dev stream up for a bit: http://www.livestream.com/mephssc`
`21:32.39`	`Nash\|327`	`unit property percent return is bugged?`
`21:36.13`	`Nash\|327`	`oh, think I found the problem :G`
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`21:46.33`	`ZetaLocus`	`if i need to rotate a rectangular region, how can i do it?`
`21:46.44`	`ZetaLocus`	`like can i have diagonal regions?`
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`21:51.35`	`Bounty`	`><`
`21:55.30`	`JademusSreg`	`Back.`
`21:55.40`	`JademusSreg`	`Can't. Shitty, I know.`
`21:55.42`	`Rnuomer`	`welcome back =:D`
`21:56.01`	`JademusSreg`	`Lack of diagonal regions is sad.`
`21:56.08`	`ZetaLocus`	`JademusSreg,`
`21:56.14`	`JademusSreg`	`Best you can do is approximate.`
`21:56.45`	`ZetaLocus`	`here's the thing, I have two units, A and B, and I need to see if there any units C in a width of say "3" between a line joining A and B,`
`21:56.57`	`ZetaLocus`	`writing a mutalisk AI and it's driving me nuts`
`21:57.01`	`JademusSreg`	`(Even better would be the ability to define any arbitrary shape for regions, but oh well.)`
`21:57.03`	`ZetaLocus`	`using FSM`
`21:57.09`	`Dresnia`	`is there any decent 'Data tutorial' for dummy's ?`
`21:57.18`	`JademusSreg`	`Easy-ish zeta.`
`21:57.18`	`Dresnia`	`Like basic stuff, chaning weapon on a unit`
`21:57.24`	`Dresnia`	`duplicating without editor crashing`
`21:57.25`	`Dresnia`	`etc`
`21:57.29`	`JademusSreg`	`I'll explain.`
`21:59.09`	`JademusSreg`	`Between the two points you increment x number of points for y degree of precision, and evaluate in a circle around each point.`
`21:59.14`	`JademusSreg`	`That'`
`21:59.19`	`JademusSreg`	`That's the rough version.`
`21:59.22`	`ZetaLocus`	`ah`
`21:59.23`	`ZetaLocus`	`hm`
`22:00.44`	`ZetaLocus`	`so split up a line into a set of points P, for each point x in P, create a circular region, ultimately forming a set of circular regions C, and see how many units in total are in this region`
`22:00.57`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes, precisely.`
`22:01.32`	`JademusSreg`	`In fact, using RegionAddCircle will work instead of creating a new region for each.`
`22:02.03`	`JademusSreg`	`So when the check begins you'll create a local empty region, and add on to it through iteration.`
`22:02.59`	`ZetaLocus`	`aack I can't create a dynamically sized array can i`
`22:03.33`	`ZetaLocus`	`like there is no "Point group" I can add to`
`22:03.56`	`ZetaLocus`	`otherwise I'd need to just allocate a huge array and do bound checking`
`22:04.38`	`JademusSreg`	`The smaller the divisor to the radius, the more precise it will be, at the overhead of the extra processes, of course.`
`22:04.46`	`JademusSreg`	`Naw, don't even need to do that.`
`22:05.27`	`JademusSreg`	`You could do it simply by having a start x y, end x y, counter, and precision.`
`22:05.42`	`ZetaLocus`	`hm ok`
`22:06.02`	`JademusSreg`	`Which is to say you don't need the entire set before iteration begins.`
`22:07.05`	`ZetaLocus`	`ah`
`22:07.05`	`ZetaLocus`	`yes`
`22:07.07`	`ZetaLocus`	`I see what you mean`
`22:08.20`	`JademusSreg`	`If you -really- wanted to use an array, you could make a local and set the upward bound to something ridiculous./`
`22:09.12`	`JademusSreg`	`But you're performing the same process either way, so getting the set before iterating through it again is wasteful.`
`22:10.17`	`ZetaLocus`	`yeah`
`22:12.46`	`Nash\|327`	`http://i.imgur.com/oiPEC.jpg :G`
`22:12.58`	`JademusSreg`	`IPL is up, yay.`
`22:13.23`	`JademusSreg`	`See you've got the bars working, Nash.`
`22:13.47`	`JademusSreg`	`But those numbers look bad. I'd suggest conserving space and putting them in the bar.`
`22:14.21`	`Nash\|327`	`could make them harder to read :G`
`22:14.43`	`JademusSreg`	`Not really. White constrasts against blue green and black.`
`22:14.50`	`JademusSreg`	`*contrasts`
`22:15.55`	`Nash\|327`	`numbers will only be displayed for your own units`
`22:16.01`	`JademusSreg`	`You could move them somewhere else, though, if you wanted. But conserving space is important.`
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`22:17.41`	`JademusSreg`	`More accurately, leveraging the most use out of a space is important. =D`
`22:18.50`	`Dresnia`	`Any of you know a decent 'Begginer Data' tutorial ? The Wiki search option is just a big mess.. (`
`22:19.09`	`JademusSreg`	`A lot of UI-modded maps fail on the face of it, because of poor space management. It comes to feel like driving with snow piled onto your windshield.`
`22:19.25`	`JademusSreg`	`Dres, they would be on the forums I expect.`
`22:19.40`	`Dresnia`	`I tried searching there too`
`22:19.45`	`Dresnia`	`There's really no overvieuw >_>`
`22:20.16`	`JademusSreg`	`I dunno, sorry. I don't use tutorials.`
`22:20.18`	`ZetaLocus`	`JademusSreg, how expensive are sine/cosine calculations`
`22:21.06`	`JademusSreg`	`Zeta, not terrible, but since the engine uses fixed-point reals with maybe 27 bits used for value, precision is goddamned terrible.`
`22:21.15`	`Dresnia`	`Yeah I usually don't either but after 200 errors/crashes`
`22:21.21`	`Dresnia`	`I must be doing something rather bad :P`
`22:21.34`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Dresnia: did that music work for you? =p`
`22:21.38`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Globus that is`
`22:21.45`	`Dresnia`	`What ?`
`22:21.49`	`Dresnia`	`Oh I didn't click it.`
`22:21.50`	`Dresnia`	`:(`
`22:21.51`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`you asked for music earlier`
`22:21.55`	`Dresnia`	`relinkz`
`22:22.04`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`http://grooveshark.com/#/s/Crusaders+Of+The+Light/1fLmEY?src=5`
`22:22.08`	`deathnight114`	`Music?`
`22:23.07`	`Dresnia`	`It's ok, so far ;>`
`22:23.24`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Dresnia: what are you going to use it for?`
`22:23.31`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`just listen to it or a trailer of some sort?`
`22:23.33`	`Dresnia`	`Listening`
`22:23.41`	`Dresnia`	`Nah, no trailers anytime soon :P`
`22:23.46`	`deathnight114`	`Who needed music?`
`22:23.47`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`I listen to globu from time to time when sleeping :p`
`22:23.49`	`Dresnia`	`Still got shitloads of work >_<`
`22:23.52`	`Dresnia`	`I need 'epic' music`
`22:23.58`	`Dresnia`	`like Requim of a Dream or so style`
`22:24.02`	`deathnight114`	`I can do that if you need`
`22:24.08`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`After you've finished the song rate it!`
`22:24.10`	`deathnight114`	`I need to finish this remix i'm working on right now`
`22:24.19`	`Dresnia`	`I just wan't a 'playlist'`
`22:24.25`	`Dresnia`	`to run in the background while on my pc`
`22:24.26`	`deathnight114`	`http://soundcloud.com/deathnight114/dcx-flying-high-1`
`22:24.33`	`deathnight114`	`Not mastered but that begenning is a good example of what I can do`
`22:24.37`	`deathnight114`	`with orchestrated stuff`
`22:24.42`	`Xapti`	`Enae Volare is pretty epic IMO`
`22:24.44`	`Cronos`	`heh deathnight long time no see`
`22:24.46`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`the song takes of somewhere after the middle i tink`
`22:24.49`	`deathnight114`	`osup`
`22:24.52`	`deathnight114`	`Someone pinged me lol`
`22:24.57`	`deathnight114`	`bye saying music too often`
`22:24.59`	`Dresnia`	`I said epic music not spice girls`
`22:25.06`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`LOL`
`22:25.22`	`deathnight114`	`LOL`
`22:25.23`	`Cronos`	`still play sc2?`
`22:25.26`	`deathnight114`	`It's just the orchestra`
`22:25.30`	`deathnight114`	`That you should be paying attention to`
`22:25.54`	`Dresnia`	`Your music reminds of those 'dance floor' machines at a fun-park`
`22:26.01`	`Dresnia`	`You gotta jump the right colors like a korean`
`22:26.08`	`deathnight114`	`I can make more than one genre of music`
`22:26.13`	`deathnight114`	`that's just a remix i'm doing`
`22:26.14`	`Cronos`	`sc2c is still going lol .. just like 6 of us that talk still`
`22:26.22`	`Xapti`	`soundcloud has no volume control?`
`22:26.24`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`but Dresnia in that case (if you're looking for epic music) - Just make a list of Hans Zimmer, John Williams and Jeremy Soul`
`22:26.25`	`JademusSreg`	`sc2c?`
`22:26.26`	`deathnight114`	`I talk to the zreo team`
`22:26.29`	`deathnight114`	`If you happen to know them`
`22:26.41`	`Dresnia`	`But.. I'm not asking people too create music :O`
`22:26.43`	`Cronos`	`some deathnight knows :)`
`22:26.45`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`and check into globus some more`
`22:26.58`	`Cronos`	`another sc2 channel that died a whle back`
`22:26.58`	`Xapti`	`there volume control for soundcloud.com or no`
`22:27.02`	`Dresnia`	`yea`
`22:27.24`	`Dresnia`	`top right`
`22:27.25`	`JademusSreg`	`I know of the sc2c site`
`22:27.28`	`ZetaLocus`	`JademusSreg, when you use the function GetAngleBetweenPoints, does it always return an angle betwee 0 and 360 or -180 and 180`
`22:27.30`	`Dresnia`	`like really top right`
`22:27.33`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Dresnia: I take it you've heard skyrim music by jeremy soule?`
`22:27.40`	`Dresnia`	`nope`
`22:27.43`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`http://grooveshark.com/#/s/Skyrim+Theme/3xkTly?src=5`
`22:27.44`	`Cronos`	`sc2c had a site?`
`22:27.44`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`...`
`22:27.46`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`CLICK`
`22:27.53`	`JademusSreg`	`Former, I think Zeta.`
`22:28.10`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`He made the musiic for Secret of Evermore, Baldurs gate, company of heroes dungeon siege, elder scrolls etc`
`22:28.17`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`guildwars`
`22:28.22`	`Dresnia`	`Baldurs Gate 2`
`22:28.23`	`Dresnia`	`good times`
`22:28.38`	`JademusSreg`	`Planescape Tormet. <3`
`22:28.41`	`Xapti`	`http://grooveshark.com/s/Enae+Volare/kkKyW?src=5`
`22:28.42`	`JademusSreg`	`*Torment`
`22:30.06`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`familiar with zimmer's music then?`
`22:30.14`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Gladiator, the rock, pirates etc`
`22:30.53`	`Cronos`	`activison is such a bad influance on blizz ... see todays blizz post .. pay to play with real id friends on wow .. something that shoulda been put in a year ago and free. glad i quit that game`
`22:31.12`	`Dresnia`	`what ?`
`22:31.30`	`Xapti`	`huh?`
`22:31.32`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`?`
`22:31.35`	`JademusSreg`	`?`
`22:31.39`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`!`
`22:31.42`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Mario!`
`22:31.43`	`Xapti`	`:o`
`22:31.46`	`Cronos`	`there adding a system to que up for 5 mans with real id friends at a cost`
`22:32.01`	`Dresnia`	`And what's the cost ?`
`22:32.08`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`5 gold!`
`22:32.09`	`Cronos`	`they have not said yet`
`22:32.11`	`Xapti`	`what's queuing up for 5 mans?`
`22:32.22`	`Cronos`	`world of warcraft *`
`22:32.24`	`Dresnia`	`throws a playstation at Xapti`
`22:32.39`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Dresnia: enough artists or do you need more? :p`
`22:32.40`	`Cronos`	`its RL money not gold ><`
`22:32.50`	`Dresnia`	`HP-X\|Arthas I'm too lazy atm :-(`
`22:32.56`	`Dresnia`	`Pastebin a list of epic names`
`22:33.01`	`Dresnia`	`and I TPB them tommorow`
`22:33.02`	`Dresnia`	`and filter`
`22:33.03`	`Dresnia`	`;>`
`22:33.38`	`Dresnia`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQTTFUtMSvQ < winning`
`22:34.33`	`Xapti`	`moonlight sonata I like better`
`22:34.45`	`JademusSreg`	`Cloud vs Malice, 2-1, TvZ`
`22:34.48`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Xapti: word`
`22:34.55`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Crimson Tide, moonlight sonata playing`
`22:35.04`	`Xapti`	`Comptine d'd autre ete is good too`
`22:35.12`	`Xapti`	`although it's modern music`
`22:35.20`	`deathnight114`	`ping`
`22:35.40`	`Xapti`	`reminds me of moonlight sonata`
`22:36.54`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`http://pastebin.com/sRvu5aM5`
`22:37.07`	`HP-X\|Arthas`	`Dresnia: start with those, its the ones I already mentioned. so tired now :\|`
`22:37.18`	`Dresnia`	`dito ;p`
`22:37.22`	`Dresnia`	`bookmarked link <3`
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`22:39.57`	`deathnight114`	`fuckyoname`
`22:40.23`	`Dresnia`	`discovers deathnight114's picture at uglypeople.com`
`22:40.33`	`JademusSreg`	`TvT, merz vs Goody.`
`22:40.41`	`JademusSreg`	`Sounds boring. D=`
`22:40.54`	`Dresnia`	`I did a new tactic last night`
`22:40.57`	`Dresnia`	`won 9 out of 10`
`22:41.01`	`Dresnia`	`plat league :p`
`22:41.06`	`deathnight114`	`Why`
`22:41.11`	`JademusSreg`	`Plant League. =D`
`22:41.11`	`deathnight114`	`did I go to that website...`
`22:41.16`	`Dresnia`	`2vs2 that is`
`22:41.46`	`Dresnia`	`haha that website is fucked up`
`22:41.54`	`Dresnia`	`it's a NNscript slap link`
`22:41.56`	`Dresnia`	`didn't know :P`
`22:42.04`	`Dresnia`	`Well we should go Diamond soon`
`22:42.15`	`Dresnia`	`got our first tourney monday, you guys can watch me pew pew ^^`
`22:42.37`	`JademusSreg`	`?`
`22:42.51`	`JademusSreg`	`Which tournament?`
`22:42.53`	`Dresnia`	`Some german clan is hosting it, my 2vs2 partner is a german so`
`22:43.00`	`Dresnia`	`Some small shit, 50 first price`
`22:43.04`	`Dresnia`	`Like 15teams or so`
`22:44.08`	`Dresnia`	`I'm happy with a 3th place tho'..`
`22:44.39`	`JademusSreg`	`I often forget anything other than 1v1 is ranked. =D`
`22:44.58`	`Dresnia`	`2vs2 will get more and more attention over the years`
`22:45.09`	`Dresnia`	`3vs3 & 4vs4 is crap tho'`
`22:45.25`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha,`
`22:45.31`	`JademusSreg`	`Why's that?`
`22:46.45`	`JademusSreg`	`I don't play ladder at all, so my question has no bias. =D`
`22:46.46`	`ZetaLocus`	`bah is there a way to highlight a region in-game?`
`22:46.51`	`ZetaLocus`	`so i can see the circle approximation?`
`22:47.08`	`Dresnia`	`Well for example if you go 3vs3 and 3man rush 1 guy its kinda lame`
`22:47.09`	`JademusSreg`	`Nope, but you might be able to fake it.`
`22:47.16`	`Dresnia`	`2vs2 still has some tactic too it`
`22:47.40`	`Dresnia`	`ZetaLocus you could use doodads if you tweak them`
`22:47.49`	`JademusSreg`	`Position a bunch of small units tightly packed, and kill all the units in the region.`
`22:48.16`	`JademusSreg`	`That will give you a good grasp of it.`
`22:48.26`	`ZetaLocus`	`hm ok`
`22:49.05`	`Dresnia`	`Madness ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmOH5f1J1Uc`
`22:49.22`	`JademusSreg`	`I would script the creation of the units, and set their radius and inner radius values to 0.1.`
`22:49.52`	`JademusSreg`	`Scripting the spawn would be more precise than setting positions in the terrain editor.`
`22:53.09`	`ZetaLocus`	`i c`
`22:57.46`	`Dresnia`	`goodnight all`
`22:57.59`	`JademusSreg`	`I'm considering making some melee maps.`
`22:58.25`	`Nash\|327`	`DON'T DO IT`
`22:58.28`	`Nash\|327`	`MELEE SUX`
`22:58.40`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha.`
`22:58.44`	`Rnuomer`	`=:O`
`22:58.55`	`JademusSreg`	`I think melee is great, I'm just terrible at it.`
`22:59.16`	`Nash\|327`	`I am undefeated in melee`
`22:59.34`	`JademusSreg`	`I have 100% win rate.`
`22:59.46`	`JademusSreg`	`I have played and won one game since release.`
`23:00.12`	`JademusSreg`	`I played melee a lot during beta.`
`23:00.13`	`Xapti`	`nasssh vs jademussreg game of the century`
`23:00.18`	`JademusSreg`	`Hahaha.`
`23:00.31`	`JademusSreg`	`Different regions, Xap.`
`23:00.39`	`Xapti`	`fail`
`23:00.51`	`JademusSreg`	`Region lock is fail.`
`23:01.11`	`Xapti`	`ye`
`23:03.04`	`Nash\|327`	`it's easy to be undefeated in melee`
`23:03.29`	`JademusSreg`	`Shit, Goody is getting fucked.`
`23:05.10`	`JademusSreg`	`I don't see how Goody can come back from that.`
`23:06.14`	`Xapti`	`how do you get a unit to walk the direction clicked, ignoring all pathing and uch`
`23:06.53`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha, wha?`
`23:07.51`	`JademusSreg`	`You can use a missile (the mover determines that), you could use Set Unit Position.`
`23:08.16`	`JademusSreg`	`I'm not usre if that's what you mean.`
`23:08.22`	`Xapti`	`I mean for them to try to go over pathing blockerss, but not actually go over them`
`23:08.31`	`JademusSreg`	`Oh, easy.`
`23:08.41`	`JademusSreg`	`You mean the way units behave toward forecefields.`
`23:08.53`	`Xapti`	`yes, but for cliffs and such as well`
`23:09.23`	`JademusSreg`	`For that, make the pblockers units with an sizable inner radius (like 1.0) and set them close together.`
`23:09.48`	`JademusSreg`	`Cliffs change the pathing map, unit radius does not.`
`23:10.09`	`Xapti`	`ye I ant unit t ignore pathing map`
`23:10.46`	`Xapti`	`making pblockers doesn't do that`
`23:10.55`	`JademusSreg`	`I know.`
`23:11.28`	`JademusSreg`	`Make units with an inner radius that collides with Ground.`
`23:11.38`	`JademusSreg`	`Those can be your pathing blockers.`
`23:12.03`	`Xapti`	`and make units cliff-walkers?`
`23:12.14`	`JademusSreg`	`=\`
`23:12.25`	`JademusSreg`	`You want units to run into cliffs for some reason?`
`23:12.34`	`Xapti`	`yes`
`23:12.43`	`JademusSreg`	`Naw, that won't work.`
`23:13.14`	`Xapti`	`well you gave me an idea though... cliff walking along with putting pblockers on all cliffs wouldn't work?`
`23:13.33`	`JademusSreg`	`Oh.`
`23:13.42`	`JademusSreg`	`That probably would.`
`23:13.54`	`JademusSreg`	`Why would you want to do any of that though?`
`23:14.18`	`Xapti`	`cause of the control scheme I want, which doesn't work right now anyway due to lag`
`23:14.20`	`JademusSreg`	`But the pathing blockers must be radius basedf.`
`23:14.32`	`Xapti`	`yeah annoying`
`23:14.41`	`JademusSreg`	`Oh, hahaha. WASD or click?`
`23:14.59`	`Xapti`	`mousemove combined with holding click`
`23:15.35`	`Rnuomer`	`quick question: is it possible to get creep on cliffs?`
`23:15.39`	`JademusSreg`	`Oh man. You could also try detecting if a cliff is between the two ponts.`
`23:16.11`	`JademusSreg`	`If you detect the presence of a cliff, you can replace the order with an order to the base of the cliff.`
`23:16.15`	`Xapti`	`youi can do that?`
`23:16.30`	`JademusSreg`	`And I have a solution better than that even.`
`23:17.04`	`JademusSreg`	`You're ordering the unit to the click position / mouse position, right?`
`23:17.27`	`Xapti`	`oh "IF you can detect". Well I happen to "know" that it can't be done`
`23:17.47`	`JademusSreg`	`Only you're ordering it to the point, when you could order it at a polar offset from the unit.`
`23:18.11`	`Xapti`	`yeah but the problem with that`
`23:18.18`	`Xapti`	`is if they get to their destination`
`23:18.20`	`JademusSreg`	`If the offset distance is less than the cliff width (1.0), it will stop short.`
`23:18.24`	`Xapti`	`then they mess up`
`23:18.52`	`Xapti`	`also that yeah, you need to be a bit away from the cliff stuff`
`23:18.53`	`JademusSreg`	`I've done this in all of my movement control prototype maps.`
`23:19.06`	`JademusSreg`	`Naw, you can be right up againsrt a cliff with my control scheme.`
`23:19.12`	`JademusSreg`	`What is your update increment?`
`23:19.18`	`JademusSreg`	`For the main loop.`
`23:19.18`	`Xapti`	`I was thinking of doing the ofset from unit, but didn't think it would work well`
`23:19.49`	`Xapti`	`well mousemove event triggers like 70 times a second`
`23:19.59`	`JademusSreg`	`Naw, that's not at all what I`
`23:20.00`	`JademusSreg`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:20.47`	`JademusSreg`	`The main loop handles stuff like movement, action, seperate from input processing.`
`23:21.32`	`JademusSreg`	`I guess you're handling everything in your input triggers? =\`
`23:21.51`	`Xapti`	`yes but there's only that one input trigger`
`23:22.10`	`Xapti`	`and it has only ilke 1 action`
`23:22.52`	`JademusSreg`	`Comically, those input triggers will even fire while the game is paused or a menu is open.`
`23:23.00`	`Nash\|327`	`Each man who baggeth not kittuns are an abomination unto kittunkind, and they shall be smote.`
`23:23.06`	`JademusSreg`	`I tested that in one of my maps.`
`23:23.14`	`Xapti`	`holy crap that's you nash?`
`23:23.25`	`Nash\|327`	`Wha wha?`
`23:23.31`	`Xapti`	`from guild wars?`
`23:23.36`	`Nash\|327`	`yes`
`23:23.37`	`Nash\|327`	`D_D`
`23:23.58`	`Xapti`	`lol for some reason I didn't realize`
`23:24.35`	`Xapti`	`you played dragon arena much?`
`23:24.48`	`Nash\|327`	`Dragon arena?`
`23:25.00`	`Xapti`	`in guild wars`
`23:25.31`	`Nash\|327`	`I stopped playing Guild Wars shortly after they added faction unlocks`
`23:25.35`	`Nash\|327`	`or thereabouts`
`23:25.59`	`Xapti`	`that must have been pretty early`
`23:26.09`	`Nash\|327`	`a few months after release`
`23:26.17`	`Nash\|327`	`maybe 6 months?`
`23:26.24`	`Xapti`	`yeah, at most I'd say 3 months`
`23:26.38`	`Xapti`	`but I can't remember`
`23:27.00`	`Nash\|327`	`Competitive RPG lol`
`23:27.04`	`Xapti`	`never played it again?`
`23:27.09`	`Nash\|327`	`No.`
`23:27.38`	`Xapti`	`you sell your account or something?`
`23:27.39`	`Nash\|327`	`I even used it as an example of what not to do in an article I wrote about competitive gaming for game design class D_D`
`23:28.03`	`Nash\|327`	`No, I didn't sell it.`
`23:28.26`	`Xapti`	`when they orgiinally introduced faction, the rewards weren't hig enough`
`23:28.41`	`Xapti`	`they eventually increased it by what must now be a factor of 10`
`23:29.01`	`Nash\|327`	`I grinded 800+ hours for skills and runes D_D`
`23:29.04`	`Nash\|327`	`before faction`
`23:29.05`	`Xapti`	`lol`
`23:29.14`	`Xapti`	`oh yeah I remember doing a bit of that too`
`23:29.23`	`JademusSreg`	`The only remotely interesting thing about Guild Wars was the duel class shit. Only it's been done better in D&D and Final Fantasy Tactics.`
`23:29.52`	`Xapti`	`a lot of it wasn't too hard to do... mostly just the elites I think`
`23:30.19`	`Xapti`	`since the rest you could get like 80-100% from vendors (can't remember)`
`23:30.49`	`Xapti`	`trainers I guess was the word for skills, not vendors`
`23:31.23`	`Xapti`	`D&D is complicated compared to GW`
`23:31.51`	`Xapti`	`was that the main issue you had with GW? or what other stuff nash`
`23:31.52`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes, seems to me like a point in favor of D&D.`
`23:32.03`	`Nash\|327`	`do you want to read my article?`
`23:32.24`	`Xapti`	`for role playing it's fine, but GW isn't really a RPG even though it's technically called one`
`23:32.38`	`Xapti`	`I guess I could, if it saves you ime`
`23:33.04`	`Xapti`	`why am I always missing t and o keypresses on this damn keyboard`
`23:33.23`	`Xapti`	`I'm wondering if it's me or the damn switches`
`23:33.54`	`Nash\|327`	`https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0BxdM0JkfuIX5ZDAzNjc5MmItYTU2ZC00MDZlLWI1MDMtMTk3YzFlN2JhYzEz&hl=en&authkey=CK662fMG`
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`23:34.35`	`Nash\|327`	`more efficient that me ranting to fill up the channel`
`23:36.11`	`Xapti`	`table of contents seems broken`
`23:36.27`	`Xapti`	`oh cause googles pages start from the first one`
`23:36.54`	`Nash\|327`	`google docs is beyond my control ;G`
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`23:38.27`	`Nash\|327`	`throws kittuns at Helral\|Afk`
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`23:45.03`	`Nash\|327`	`bag at least 3 kittuns every day :G`
`23:46.26`	`UloseTheGame`	`I want to make a very controversial post on the starcraft II custom forums about how the popularity is an excuse because people dont want to face the facts that they suck at mapmaking`
`23:46.59`	`Ashamed`	`ulose i would say its more the population ><`
`23:47.03`	`Nash\|327`	`yeah, you do that...`
`23:47.08`	`Nash\|327`	`TROLL HARDER`
`23:47.15`	`UloseTheGame`	`im not trolling`
`23:47.18`	`Ashamed`	`the only reasoin maps get popular is becuase the population lieks to play bad maps`
`23:47.20`	`UloseTheGame`	`this is actually my beliefs`
`23:47.23`	`UloseTheGame`	`no`
`23:47.24`	`UloseTheGame`	`it's not`
`23:47.27`	`Ashamed`	`yes it is`
`23:47.34`	`Ashamed`	`maps wouldn't get popular if people didnt play them`
`23:47.50`	`Ashamed`	`so if a "BAD" map is popular ... then its because it got alot of plays`
`23:48.00`	`UloseTheGame`	`the general mapmaking public sucks at mapmaking, and the community who wants the popularity system to go away thinks its magic and aren't open to new maops`
`23:48.01`	`Ashamed`	`so it snot bad`
`23:48.29`	`Ashamed`	`i am confused by that sentence lol`
`23:49.21`	`Ashamed`	`I don't understand why you dont think its the players???`
`23:49.29`	`Ashamed`	`how does ones map get popular if people dont play it?`
`23:49.34`	`Xapti`	`the problem is due to the game listing/joining system, because it forces people to be playing only a small amount of games-- those which are the most popular`
`23:49.48`	`Ashamed`	`and it keeps the popular`
`23:49.49`	`Ashamed`	`for sure :)`
`23:49.52`	`Xapti`	`yes`
`23:49.58`	`Nash\|327`	`if nobody plays your map, it won't be popular`
`23:50.04`	`Ashamed`	`but xapti if that was the case we wouldn't see an updated list`
`23:50.06`	`Nash\|327`	`if it's not popular, nobody will play it`
`23:50.07`	`Ashamed`	`and we see that too`
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`23:50.12`	`Nash\|327`	`catch 22`
`23:50.26`	`Ashamed`	`exactly what nash said`
`23:50.30`	`Ashamed`	`its all about plays`
`23:50.34`	`Ashamed`	`and plays = popularitie`
`23:50.40`	`JademusSreg`	`Feedback loops.`
`23:50.50`	`Xapti`	`it's not the problem of the players`
`23:50.55`	`Ashamed`	`i know any system i have ever seen.... the ones that are the highest on the list are the "most viewed"`
`23:51.03`	`Ashamed`	`its the same way with sc2`
`23:51.05`	`Ashamed`	`the most viewed maps`
`23:51.08`	`Ashamed`	`are the most popular`
`23:51.14`	`Ashamed`	`makes sense to me ><`
`23:51.40`	`Nash\|327`	`if your map is beyond page 5 or so nobody will play it`
`23:51.42`	`Ashamed`	`it may be harder to get your map to the top of the list... but once you do.. it will stay up there`
`23:51.46`	`Xapti`	`the issue is that games are listed only via map-type`
`23:51.55`	`Nash\|327`	`even if someone joins they will need to wait for ages`
`23:51.57`	`Xapti`	`and not based off if there's a player or few waiting in that map's room`
`23:52.16`	`Nash\|327`	`there needs to be better sorting too`
`23:52.25`	`Nash\|327`	`type of map`
`23:52.35`	`Nash\|327`	`not just "custom"`
`23:52.36`	`Ashamed`	`well then go make a unreal engine map :) tell me how popular that is.. at least there is a system lol. You could be designing something that doesn't have a system.. and everything would be up to you to get you`
`23:52.43`	`Ashamed`	`to get your game out there`
`23:52.47`	`Xapti`	`needs a "only show maps with players in them"`
`23:53.00`	`Ashamed`	`yeah that would be good`
`23:53.04`	`JademusSreg`	`I heard my map is page 2 in EU, 1400+ bookmarks.`
`23:53.16`	`Nash\|327`	`I heard you like mudkips`
`23:53.18`	`Ashamed`	`see it seems like it works`
`23:53.21`	`JademusSreg`	`Delicious.`
`23:53.23`	`Ashamed`	`jade made his map only what 3 weeks ago`
`23:53.30`	`Ashamed`	`um if bottom maps dont get popular`
`23:53.32`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha, longer, but yeah.`
`23:53.32`	`Ashamed`	`that how did his?`
`23:53.36`	`JademusSreg`	`Not a long time ago.`
`23:53.38`	`Xapti`	`what is his map`
`23:53.48`	`Ashamed`	`it doesn't matter what it is.. obv people will find them`
`23:53.49`	`JademusSreg`	`Photon Cycles.`
`23:53.50`	`Ashamed`	`if they are good enough`
`23:53.55`	`Ashamed`	`or interresting to the public`
`23:53.56`	`Nash\|327`	`they can get popular if you have some initial hype`
`23:54.05`	`Ashamed`	`thats what you need to do then`
`23:54.16`	`Ashamed`	`... if you are making a map for mapsters then its not going to be popular for the public`
`23:54.21`	`Ashamed`	`the public looks for differnt maps`
`23:54.24`	`Ashamed`	`its the the system its you guys :)`
`23:54.27`	`Nash\|327`	`if it drops down later`
`23:54.31`	`Nash\|327`	`you are screwed`
`23:54.36`	`Ashamed`	`We make awesome maps for each other`
`23:54.42`	`JademusSreg`	`If people enjoy playing the map, it will climp the popularity list, even is it's a technically shitty map.`
`23:54.44`	`Ashamed`	`but the public don't give a shit about that kind of map`
`23:55.03`	`Ashamed`	`you need to make something stupid and repetive`
`23:55.15`	`Ashamed`	`thats unfortuntly the type of games the public is looking for right now ><`
`23:55.19`	`Nash\|327`	`people call my map repetitive`
`23:55.33`	`Ashamed`	`when you release it ?`
`23:55.48`	`Nash\|327`	`I don't remember`
`23:55.52`	`JademusSreg`	`People spend more time whining about the popularity system than they do working on their maps.`
`23:55.56`	`JademusSreg`	`=D`
`23:56.24`	`Nash\|327`	`April 19th was latest version`
`23:56.44`	`Ashamed`	`yeah... i know jade.. lol. I mean obv things could change about the current system to make it better`
`23:56.44`	`Nash\|327`	`August 24th was first version`
`23:56.53`	`Ashamed`	`but if "IT didn't work" we would be getting much differnt results.`
`23:57.22`	`Xapti`	`I remember some maps were popular and then tanked`
`23:57.34`	`Ashamed`	`because the public must of got bored`
`23:57.52`	`Ashamed`	`which makes the current system even better`
`23:57.57`	`Ashamed`	`becuase at least old maps that get borring`
`23:58.01`	`Ashamed`	`get kicked off the list`
`23:58.09`	`Xapti`	`and there was a map called troncraft, I played back in the beta I think that was a lot like photon cycles.. did you make that one too?`
`23:58.17`	`Ashamed`	`no`
`23:58.19`	`JademusSreg`	`Nope.`
`23:58.20`	`Ashamed`	`that one sucked`
`23:58.23`	`Ashamed`	`compared to jades`
`23:58.23`	`JademusSreg`	`I liked it though.`
`23:58.30`	`Xapti`	`it was pretty similar... just no boost`
`23:58.32`	`JademusSreg`	`I like all those maps.`
`23:58.40`	`JademusSreg`	`I just figured I could do better.`
`23:58.41`	`Xapti`	`no other differences really?`
`23:58.47`	`Ashamed`	`they are the type of maps that get high on population lol`
`23:59.11`	`JademusSreg`	`Mouse to turn, clicking spam sucks, arrow keys suck.`
`23:59.23`	`Ashamed`	`arrow keys dont suck`
`23:59.26`	`JademusSreg`	`So the control scheme is entirely different.`
`23:59.41`	`Xapti`	`oh yeah I completely forgot that there was clicking spam and not mouse turn`
`23:59.43`	`Ashamed`	`in them type of games i really like using arrows ;)`
`23:59.46`	`JademusSreg`	`Arrow keys would suck in Photon Cycles, which is why they will never be implemented.`
`23:59.59`	`Ashamed`	`why would it?`

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