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00:17.20Nash|327cakes
00:17.30Mexa__... I fell asleep during the tsl3 finals
00:17.33Mexa__ohlolololo..
00:18.29Nash|327MEXAFACE
00:18.35Nash|327FACE OF MEXA
00:18.57Mexa__Nashville
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00:34.35Mephs<+PM|away> my name is prozaic muze and i like to eat poop
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01:12.46Dresniagoodnight people
01:12.47Dresniagl Mephs ;)
01:13.18Nash|327http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/project-workplace/21591-untitled-hero-survival-arena-showcase-requesting-feedback/#p1
01:13.20Nash|327pewpew
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01:30.50UloseTheGameso what did you guys think of map night?
01:31.00UloseTheGamegreat success?
01:35.23Zeta__is there a sorting function or way to retrieve the largest elemtn within an array?
01:37.47Kuekenif you just need the largest, loop max functions
01:37.56MephsYO DAWGS YOU PUMPED FOR TOMORROW
01:38.00MephsWE GONNA EDIT SOME DATA
01:38.09Mephsya me too
01:38.09Mephsafk
01:38.11UloseTheGamePUMPING MY PUMPS
01:38.45Kuekenif you need sorting, try blizzard's implemented sorting algorithms
01:39.03Kuekenthey fly around in sole library
01:39.06Kueken*some
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02:17.18Zeta__how many orders can be queued up?
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02:43.15Zeta__goddamn a mut AI is hard
02:43.54Zeta__muta*
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04:12.22tordywassup mang
04:33.55tordyhow do you get teh catalog value of an indexed attribute?
04:34.04tordylike KillResource
04:34.14tordyther's 4 indices
04:34.20tordyminerals/vespsne/tera/custom
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06:24.31Mexamornin'
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07:30.43Mexayawn
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07:37.43Mexahi
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07:50.04MexaAny programmer around in here?
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08:04.43Helral|Workmeow
08:04.47ZoxcHati: Are you a programmer?
08:05.00Hatihmm?
08:05.15Hatiyou mean getting paid for it?
08:05.22Helral|Workhehehe ;p
08:05.36Zoxcthat would be a proffesional programmer
08:06.07Hatiwell let's say i do programming
08:06.08ZoxcMexa wondered if there were any programmers here.
08:06.21Helral|Workwell the answer is yes ;p
08:06.46ZoxcI already knew that since I'm one =P
08:07.04MexaI was going to ask if you got any suggestions of a widget tooltip to use
08:07.14Mexaapart from swings and windows forms
08:07.17Zoxc*toolkit?
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08:07.26Mexayeah, a gui framework
08:07.43Helral|Workyou talking bout Java programming or ???
08:07.45Zoxcstill likes VCL
08:07.56MexaWell, no it's in C+
08:07.58MexaC++
08:08.01Helral|Workow.
08:08.07Zoxccross platform?
08:08.07Helral|WorkI've never worked with C++ ;p
08:08.10Mexaeither C++ or C#
08:08.13HatiMexa: Qt
08:08.24Hatiis one framework for c++
08:08.28MexaI heard of Qt
08:08.35HatiOr write your own
08:08.37Hatiwith OpenGL
08:08.44Zoxcworking on that
08:08.56MexaZoxc, I guess it should be preferrably, but right now the target is windows
08:09.03Hatibut Qt is kinda meh
08:09.03MexaSince I am using the registry and stuff
08:09.06Helral|Workso what you making then Mexa ;p
08:09.07Mexafor other things
08:09.10Hatihighly depends on your ide
08:09.26MexaHelral, it's this dialog toolkit app, similar to yours
08:09.31Helral|Workahhh
08:09.35MexaBut my target is dialogs
08:09.37ZoxcC++ sucks for GUIs
08:09.44Hatino
08:09.54Hatithere's no diff between anything else
08:09.58Helral|Workso basicly one designs a dialog in your app and it spits out the trigger code?
08:10.04MexaI need C++ in general, due to the lack of support of mpqlibs on the other languages
08:10.09Hatithere's just not a thing like Java Swing
08:10.09MexaThe wrappers I found is not enough
08:10.19Hatiyou could also use SDL for GUI programming
08:10.20MexaWindows Forms is like swing tho
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08:10.38MexaBut it's tideous due to microsoft CLI/C++
08:10.40ZoxcThe lack of properties and generic function pointer makes C++ terrible for GUI programming =P
08:10.54ZoxcWindows Forms is a neat VCL clone
08:10.55Hatio_O
08:11.00MexaVCL?
08:11.05Hatilack of properties?
08:11.23MexaZoxc, CLI/C++ has that features though
08:11.26Zoxchttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Property_(programming)
08:11.36ZoxcThat's not C++
08:11.49ZoxcUse C# if you're going .NET
08:11.56MexaCan't do it
08:12.00Hatigetter and setter ??
08:12.09MexaLack of support for archive openings and such
08:12.12Hatiyou generally do them anyway
08:12.22Hatior use public attributes
08:12.29MexaMagis did a C# wrapper of stromLib, but it is too limited
08:12.33Mexa*Magos
08:12.55MexaThe IDE is visual studio btw.
08:13.10Zoxcthere's a few C# mpq libraries, mostly wrappers
08:13.16Mexaa few?
08:13.20MexaI've seen one.
08:13.29Hatitheres only one
08:13.59Hatimaybe others written with inproper names and the google is unable to find it
08:14.12Hatior any other search engine like 99% other stuff useful in the interwebz
08:14.14MexaMagos wrapper stripped it from some features though, like allowing you to open an mpq archive in read-only mode
08:14.26HatiMagos Wrapper is long time out of date
08:14.30Mexathat too
08:14.57MexaAlso, I prefer not to build the gui from the ground up
08:14.59Hatithat's why SC2Localizer is using MpqViewer to re-MPQ/repack the maps
08:15.10ZoxcI quick search results in CrystalMpq, MpqLib and WoWLib =P
08:15.15MexaSince my plannings was to make it look like a windows app anyway
08:15.34ZoxcI think I've seen another one as well
08:15.51Hatidate 2001
08:15.52Hati?
08:16.23MexaStormLib is the one up to date afaIk
08:16.30Hatii guess he does not want to change things in diablo2 or sc1
08:16.48Hatiand MpqLib is the Magos one if iam not misleading
08:16.54Mexawikipedia suggests stormLib, mpqlib, mpqkit, libmpq and jlibmpq
08:17.00Mexayeo
08:17.03Mexa*yep
08:17.23Hatifor reading mpqlib is fine, but it aint up to the sc2 standards
08:17.33Mexareally?
08:17.43MexaI already tried MpqLib
08:17.48Mexaand it is up to sc2 standards
08:17.49ZoxcNote that MpqLib may refer to both Magos' C# version and the native one =P
08:17.52Helral|Workbtw for those interested: new Contest Scene Recreation: http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/project-workplace/21593-contest-scene-recreation/
08:17.54Hatiyou can read but not write
08:17.58Hatithat whats missing Mexa
08:18.04ZoxcLet me check what milkywayedit uses
08:18.08Hatiatleast you cannot write compressed
08:18.13MexaWell
08:18.13Hatiyou can write normally
08:18.18Mexaread is the only thing I need
08:18.19Hatiand have to recompress it again
08:18.24ZoxcMpqLib
08:18.29MexaUnfortunantly, the mode it opens the archive in is read and write
08:18.36Zoxcworks fine with SC2 maps =P
08:18.39MexaWhich makes it useless if opened with other programs
08:18.49MexaI mean, at the same time
08:18.52HatiMexa: Mpq is useless if you use it uncompressed ...
08:19.00ZoxcNo it isn't
08:19.04Hatior atleast it lose its main feature
08:19.27Mexauhm
08:19.30MexaSo..
08:19.35Hatithe whole mpq format is about being small ... so writing files uncompressed is ... senseless
08:20.03MexaAnyways, I only need to read mpq archives, and I need to read them in read-only:p
08:20.17Zoxcsomeone should wrap SFmpqapi =P
08:21.29MexaSo should I still stay at C++, stormlib, with devil and windows forms or qt?
08:22.15Hatiwhy caring about qt if you are using VS anyway?
08:22.23Hativisual studio does not support multi-plattform
08:22.35Hatithe standard compiler
08:22.47MexaWasn't planning to build it for all platforms
08:22.53MexaMight make it open source tho
08:22.56Hatiyeah so why caring about qt?
08:23.04Hatiqt is about being multiplatform
08:23.11MexaFor others, I don't know.
08:23.39MexaProblem being anyways I guess, is that I need to look up the root for the sc2 installation, thus there's still windows only parts in my code
08:23.59MexaUnless I make it with a bunch of ifndefs depending on the platform
08:24.14Zoxcshouldn't be that many
08:24.19Mexaperhaps not
08:24.20Zoxcand you should make it configurable too
08:24.28MexaBut multicrossplatform isn't my speciality, lol
08:24.35Zoxcthen you can just point it to your Wine installation of SC2 =P
08:24.56ZoxcQtCreator might be a better choice for Qt though
08:25.00Hatiwell there are just 1% Linux desktops anyway
08:25.06Hatiand Mac ... is meh
08:25.12Hatihi Mac-friends in here :o
08:25.16Mexawouldn't wine be able to run windows apps?
08:25.29Hatishould be
08:25.42Zoxcsure, but native utilities are more practical
08:25.49Mexayeah
08:26.11MexaOkay, last question I guess... CLI/C++ for basically the entire program, or just the front end?
08:26.20Helral|Workyou need mpq reading for the asset files? (background images etc)
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08:26.25tordyhey
08:26.43Mexayeah helral, thus stormlib
08:26.51Helral|Worktordy: KillResource[int] (0-3)
08:27.00Zoxcwrite most of it in C# or pure C++
08:27.03tordyoh ok
08:27.21ZoxcC# and MpqLib should be fine for read-only purposes
08:27.35Helral|Worktordy: or weren't ya gonna ask about that again?
08:27.43Mexawell, CLI is microsofts implementation of .net so it's similar to C#, but the syntax is tideous
08:28.09tordywhat's the best way to create x2 of the same unit with a  single create unit action?
08:28.11MexaZoxc, again, MpqLib isn't fine in the aspect that it opens the archive in read/write mode
08:28.31MexaSince Magos made a wrapper function taking that option away.
08:28.38Zoxcadd that back then =P
08:28.51Helral|WorkMexa the source code Magos used is available afaik.
08:28.56ZoxcI'll be removing your programmer tag if you're unable to :D
08:28.57Mexamm I know
08:29.10MexaI'm just not good at making dll's either <.<
08:29.14tordy>:)
08:29.26Helral|Worktordy: Create 2 Units? or what?
08:29.31MexaOr rather, I am a rookie when it comes to making libraries and such in C++
08:29.33tordyfrom a single unit
08:29.42tordylike an instantaneous egg
08:29.46Mexaand dll assemblies.
08:30.05Helral|Worktordy: check zerglings spawning from egg ;p
08:30.15tordybut without the egg
08:30.16MexaOh well, I guess I should give it a try.
08:30.22MexaNo, hm
08:30.27tordywhen spawned, it's like the player saw x2 of the unit
08:30.42Helral|WorkTordy: hehehe use the spawn unit effect orso to spawn 2 instead of 1?
08:30.45MexaI still need DevIL for reading and converting .dds files Zoxc.
08:30.52Helral|Workif you mean data based.
08:31.00tordyyea it has to be data based
08:31.09MexaAnd the C# version doesn't allow you to convert a stream of data, but only to load from the harddrive
08:31.53Mexahmm, I'll figure something out
08:32.06MexaThanks for the input guys.
08:32.07Helral|WorkMexa: I actually use an external program for convertion from .dds to .png for my webbased UI tool
08:32.34tordyhas to come from a unit though
08:32.34MexaCan it read dds data without having to resave the file to a disc?
08:32.46tordyhow do i make it so the unit disappears and then spawns x2 of another unit
08:32.59Helral|WorkMexa: nope cause I use an external program.
08:33.01Zoxclol milkywayedit just exports it to a temporary file =P
08:33.12Helral|Worktordy: use a kill effect on the host unit?
08:33.25MexaZoxc, yeah, but isn't that a.. I mean a longcut?
08:33.37Mexa(the opposite to the shortcut I mean)
08:33.42Mexalol
08:33.51MexaHelral, so how does that work?
08:34.30Helral|WorkMexa: my system calls an external program with origfileParam, TargetfileParam. then waits until external program is done. then reads Targetfile.
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08:35.02MexaZoxc, what I am trying to say is that, Imo, if I have the data stream of a dds file already in the memory, it feel abit pointless to save it first as a file, to then load it with DevIL, to then resave it to PNG, to then load it with windows forms <.<
08:35.15Mexayeah okay..
08:35.22Helral|WorkMexa:    system("gimp -i -b '(convert \"".$ddsimage."\")' -b '(gimp-quit 0)' "); <-- external program :P
08:35.28Zoxchence the "lol"
08:35.39Mexayeah.-.
08:35.42tordyscrew it think ill just stick with triggers
08:35.43ZoxcI guess the devil C# wrapper doesn't get alot of love either
08:35.46tordythis is gonna get too messy
08:35.54Helral|Worktordy: lol
08:36.12Mexayeah, DevIL stripped the function out to read datastreams for the C# version :/
08:36.28Helral|Worktordy: Effect Set -> Effect 1-> Kill Unit, Effect 2-> Spawn Units. :)
08:36.35tordyi knwo that
08:36.35MexaHelral, but since this is a user end app, everyone wouldn't have gimp
08:36.52Helral|WorkMexa: I never said my method would work for you ;p
08:36.52Mexaand including gimp seems to be slightly pointless too, just for the sake of the program?
08:36.58Mexaaw
08:37.07ZoxcStripping means it had to be there in the first place...
08:37.12ZoxcI doubt they removed it
08:37.20tordycan you say something UnitBirth.UnitX and then use that spawn effect?
08:37.26tordyput that in the actor?
08:37.28MexaHe didn't give the option in C# anyway
08:37.43Mexathe functions are available at C++ tho.
08:37.55Helral|Worktordy: no idea ;p I haven't worked that much with Actors.
08:37.57MexaSo I guess I could make a new dll of it.
08:38.17MexaBut still out of my knowledge, and I wonder if it only will take me more time to question that
08:38.19tordybecausde what i want is once that unit is created, it'll get removed and then spawn x2 of another unit
08:38.48MexaZoxc, is milkywayedit still active, or is it abandoned?
08:39.01Zoxcdunno
08:39.14Helral|Worktordy: I'd look up how the zerglings are done then and use that.
08:39.16MexaOh I thought you we're a part of the dev crew :>
08:39.19Zoxclet me update my repo =P
08:39.30Mexa*were
08:39.31Mexaok
08:39.52Zoxchm.. the host has changed
08:40.03ZoxcSSH throwing tons of errors =P
08:40.26Mexaoh?
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08:42.17Zoxclast update was last summer
08:42.43MexaRight before the release of the retail sc2 I guess?
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11:36.10Nash|327kittuns
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11:41.36DresniaWHATS UP GUYS
11:41.58DresniaAll people in here who I helped and most likely annoyed like hell
11:42.04DresniaTime for you to help me !
11:42.06Dresniahttp://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/project-workplace/21591-untitled-hero-survival-arena-showcase-requesting-feedback/
11:50.06Nash|327D:
11:50.55Nash|327omg pix
11:57.57Dresnia^^
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12:01.38Nash|327clearly best map ever
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12:27.26Helral|WorkDresnia: recorded some feedback: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpYEJx7PkWE
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12:30.18Helral|WorkNash|327: you may watch it as well ;p
12:33.53Dresnia...
12:33.55Dresnialol
12:33.59Helral|Work:)
12:52.21Dresniaoh yay a contest for curse premium
12:52.25Dresniawhats the use lol..
12:52.51DresniaNash|327 why so msnless !
12:54.37Nash|327just never started it
12:57.20Nash|327Helral|Work that's not a happy kittun
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13:19.29Oatinalright, anyone here familiar with CatalogValueGet Triggers?
13:19.44burne-who won tsl?
13:19.45burne-hello
13:25.36Nash|327wtf is tsl
13:27.22Dresniaeeerm
13:27.25DresniaNaniwa lost
13:27.28Dresniaterran guy won
13:27.30Dresnia3-4
13:33.58burne-as expected
13:34.19burne-but suprisingly close
13:35.24Dresniawell
13:35.28DresniaIt was 3-1
13:35.32Dresniathen it became 3-4
13:42.00burne-the terran guy beat better opponents imo
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14:14.45Saerisnice, finally taking that idea of mine and making it a contest huh sixen?
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14:35.51Nash|327kittunsunsunsuns
14:41.00burne-Im sorry to tell you nash
14:41.09burne-you are fucking insane
14:41.26Nash|327Are you really?
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15:51.44ClordBurne-...... there is more in nash than just being insane
15:55.45Haticuts of Helral|Afk tongue.
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15:57.28progammerjust when on bnet and the channel there only has 2 ppl, me and another person, is this really that sad ?
15:58.07burne-there hasnt been anyone on bnet since the chat channels....(i mean the channels)
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15:59.13progammerwell the editor cannot be opened together with sc2 anyway
15:59.16progammerthat's a minus
15:59.31progammerwe need to be able to log in bnet even while mapping
16:00.36burne-I can open my editor while in bnet
16:01.04progammerit will kick you out if  you log in to publish
16:01.31burne-mm  yea thats kinda stupid
16:01.36burne-like many other things are too
16:01.56Nash|327Oh so I'm insane and more.
16:01.59Nash|327Interesting.
16:02.03Nash|327Tell me more!
16:02.14burne-you are stupid too
16:02.24Nash|327I always love when random people on the Internet tell me what I'm like.
16:02.46Nash|327It's what I base my self-esteem on.
16:06.50Nash|327Aww, no more insults?
16:09.36progammer(Nash forever alone, no one is insulting him)
16:10.49Xaragothwhen people don't even insult you anymore, you know, you're truly forever alone :p
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16:14.11Nash|327heh
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16:33.04SentryIIIonly 3000 ppl watching nasl?
16:42.27burne-link
16:42.33burne-is there something interesting there?
16:43.26DresniaI'm here
16:43.29DresniaIntresting enough
16:43.45Dresniaburne- => http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/project-workplace/21591-untitled-hero-survival-arena-showcase-requesting-feedback/
16:43.47Dresniafeedback !
16:53.06Helral|AfkDresnia: saw my feedback?
16:53.14Dresniayoutube ?
16:53.20Helral|Afkyeah that one ;p
16:53.48Dresnialol
16:53.53Helral|AfkI didn't check your post, just thought I would always give the correct response like that ;p
16:53.53Dresniano real feedback from anyone :(
17:00.49Dresniasome retard is hiring people 40$ on sc2mapster
17:00.55Dresniabut you gotta give him all credit
17:00.57Dresnialol
17:01.24burne-Dresnia: looks nice
17:02.27burne-http://imgur.com/a/HFt5y#HfBTG
17:02.33burne-that looks a bit empty
17:02.45burne-http://imgur.com/a/HFt5y#WNXrK
17:02.49burne-I dont like that one
17:02.56burne-a bit empty too
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17:04.15Dresniahmm ok
17:04.17Dresniasay so then
17:04.23Dresniaso I know what I need to do later :p
17:04.36Dresniathe idea is you play on top of the ramp btw
17:04.40Dresnianot walk around
17:04.47Dresniabut yeah could add some more features I guess :)
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17:05.38Jum-JumI'm a nice person so I did my best on commenting.
17:06.29DresniaThanks :)
17:06.40Dresnia3 reply's so far basicly to make it look more natural hehe
17:06.56DresniaAs I stated towards Nash when I started this, I never opend the SC2 editor before
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17:07.04DresniaSo I've had no idea how too do stuff properly :P
17:07.15Jum-JumYou're off for a good start
17:07.30Jum-JumI tried making maps but I'm too fucking stupid
17:07.34Jum-JumCan't figure out triggers properly
17:07.38Jum-Jumhate the data editor, its a mess
17:07.53Jum-JumJust want to make simple maps, nothing complicated with databanks or anything like that
17:15.36DresniaJum Jum
17:15.40DresniaI got a good idea then
17:15.45DresniaI'll discuss it later :)
17:15.48DresniaDinner now.
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18:04.49DresniaJum-Jum !
18:10.36Jum-JumDresnia
18:10.48DresniaYou needed an idea on a easy map
18:10.53DresniaOr you gave up ?
18:12.43Jum-JumNot an idea, just the effort making it
18:12.52Jum-JumI'm not talented or smart enough to make one
18:13.15Jum-JumNothing wrong with my creative part, is the one acting upon it thats not so great
18:13.55DresniaWell there isn't anything you couldn't do that someone else can
18:14.10DresniaYou just need to ask if your stuck after trying it yourself
18:15.14Jum-Jumive asked for help a dozen of times
18:15.17Jum-Jumbut nobody ever helps
18:15.18Jum-Jumso fuck it
18:16.01DresniaThat's wierd..
18:16.11Jum-Jumits mostly involving AI
18:16.15Jum-Jumnobody works with AI
18:16.21Jum-Jumpeople just do scripted events or triggers
18:16.26DresniaExactly
18:16.32DresniaEasyer and faster I guess
18:16.36DresniaWhy wouldn't you do the same ?
18:16.44DresniaThere must be a reason no-one writes an AI
18:16.52Jum-Jumbecause my AI involves different tactics
18:16.54Jum-Jumin coop maps
18:17.03Jum-JumI can make a linear boring coop map
18:17.08Jum-Jumwith a challenging AI
18:17.18Jum-Jumbut thats not what I want to make, I want to make an AI thats fun to play against
18:17.19DresniaYou making a melee game or ?
18:17.23Jum-Jumsorta
18:17.38Jum-Jumlike one of the campaign maps but you play it with 1 or 2 more players
18:17.42DresniaYou could make it linear yes, but the trick is to make random stuff
18:17.57DresniaSo you set a %var to a number 1-10, if %var is 1 then do X, if it's 7 then do Y
18:18.10Jum-JumCan't make the AI do funky stuff like infestors burrow and shoot infested marines at the mineral line
18:18.15Jum-Jumand if you script it the AI just gets dumb
18:18.22Jum-Jumwalks right into defences and dies
18:18.35Jum-Jumcant figure out how to get transports to warp in units for toss
18:18.36Jum-Jumetc
18:18.37Jum-Jumstuff like that
18:18.42Jum-Jumrequires someone intelligent
18:18.57DresniaStop calling yourself a dummy ! :(
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18:21.39burne-Dresnia: finally got my terrain beam work
18:21.47Dresniabeam ?
18:21.55burne-and now im not sure if it was such a good idea after all -_-'
18:22.09burne-ill make a video about it when i get some more stuff done
18:22.13Dresniawhat are you on about :d
18:22.19burne-my arena game
18:22.39burne-its like you cannot shoot beam to higher level terrain
18:23.09burne-and you have to target higher level terrain from higher level terrain to shoot to higher level terrain, and you cannot shoot to lower level terrain if you are too close to edge
18:23.12burne-confusing right=? :D
18:23.36burne-I think smash uses similar system
18:23.43burne-but fucking beams are hard to make that way
18:24.25Dresniaah, that map :p
18:24.26Dresniahehe
18:24.41burne-but I think it might be fun with terrain changes
18:24.51burne-makes it a bit unique atleast (you will see later why)
18:25.59burne-I feel like I was obsessed to get that beam working
18:26.06burne-even though its not such a great idea -_-
18:26.26burne-I hope its fine for now...I still should do more testing to make sure
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18:54.43LExtalionisWeird... marines don't have a looking up animation seperate from their attack?
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19:00.26Nash|327Marines can't look up.
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19:12.30Nash|327Big Al says so.
19:14.55LExtalionisThanks for the confirmation
19:18.53Nash|327:G
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19:19.38Nash|327I was just making a Shaun of the Dead reference.
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19:23.44TriceronAhoy!
19:26.05Nash|327ARR!
19:28.07Nash|327chucks nuns at Triceron
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19:44.47Nash|327kittuns?
19:47.04Nash|327omg huggable kittuns
19:47.17Stewoxsigh*
19:47.24Dresniaits a ameer kat !
19:47.28Dresniakat = kitten in dutch
19:47.33Dresniahugs ameerkat
19:47.35Nash|327a meerkat!
19:47.48Dresniahaha.. meer : lake
19:47.52Dresnialake kittuns
19:48.07Nash|327too bad it's not a kittun :/
19:48.57Helral|Afkmeow
19:49.03Helral|Afkwhat about sea-kittens?
19:49.55Nash|327Dresnia: Well it's Afrikaans which is sort of Dutch :G
19:50.06Dresniatrue
19:50.11Helral|AfkSouth-african? ;p
19:51.03Nash|327LAKE KITTUNS THAT ARE NOT KITTUNS D:
19:51.13Nash|327Blasphemy.
19:57.05Nash|327http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felidae SO MANY KITTUNS
19:58.11Dresniadude you are seriously fucked up
19:58.11Dresnia:(
20:00.03Nash|327I VIEWED ALL THOSE KITTUNS
20:00.17Nash|327HUG THEM ALL
20:02.06Nash|327I need a kittun mount
20:02.12Nash|327ride around town on
20:02.18Dresniaroll a night elf
20:02.44Nash|327I had a level 60 Human with Black War Tiger
20:03.17DresniaI had lvl 60 Night Elf with all racial + pvp + av + ..
20:03.21DresniaSO MUCH LIFEWASTED
20:03.25DresniaKILL ME BROTHERS
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20:13.02Helral|AfkDresnia: lol at your reply to that thread "Hiring mapm...."
20:13.11Dresnia:p
20:13.43DresniaI got a point right
20:14.19Helral|Afknot really since there prolly are people who don't want to get known for this kind of work, but are willing to do it for cash. ;p
20:14.26Dresniarofl
20:14.32Dresniapoor fags ftl :(
20:15.04Helral|Afkall I'm saying is they exist. And that sod prolly won't get help from this community, unless there's some sod who is that kind of fool ;p
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20:15.28Helral|Afkow wait we've got grenegg
20:21.36Nash|327$50 is pretty poor pay
20:22.29Helral|Afkdepends ;p
20:24.15Helral|Afkif it's $50 for 1 hour work then you could make $2000 in 1 week ;p if you have all short jobs ;p
20:29.46SixenSaeris :)
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20:37.46Helral|Afkit's alive O.o
20:37.56Helral|AfkSixen talked in IRC ...... it's a miracle ;p
20:38.06Nash|327shocking
20:39.46Sixenlol...
20:39.59Helral|Afkit happened again O.o
20:44.11Helral|AfkSixen do you check the wiki from time to time? ;p
20:44.26Sixenya :)
20:44.34DresniaWhy you never say much Sixen
20:44.38Dresniayour @ but you always away :(
20:44.58Helral|Afkhe's paid to be afk in this channel *grins*
20:45.29Helral|Afkjust joking.... but I could be right ;p
20:45.31SixenI just leave it on away because someone insists on messaging me every single time I sit on my computer
20:45.44SixenSo I can fake-afk when I am too busy to talk to him >.>
20:45.53Helral|Afkhehehe
20:46.41Helral|Afkbtw Sixen: how many image types does SC2 support? (Normal,Border,HorizontalBroder,EndCap,????)
20:47.09SixenGood question :O
20:47.22Helral|Afkow think that's it ;p
20:47.34Helral|AfkNone, Normal, Border, HorizontalBorder, EndCap
20:47.39Helral|Afk;p
20:48.13Helral|Afkhttp://wiki.sc2mapster.com/galaxy/import/texture/#w-image-textures <-- guess I'll need to add images for them there.
20:48.32Helral|Afkcurrently used textual description.
20:48.52Sixenooo
20:51.00Helral|Afkalso Sixen: does this UI start looking familiar: http://109.71.49.81/SC2UIGenerator.html (has a bit of load time)
20:52.45Sixenall I see is terrain
20:52.47Sixen:O
20:52.56Helral|Afktold you it has a bit of load time ;p
20:53.01Sixenoooh
20:53.15Sixenlol, that's cool
20:53.26Helral|Afkthe menubar images at top are EndCap ;p
20:54.08Helral|Afkalso the 2 images at the top right are not correctly positioned. (although nearly correct)
20:56.02Helral|Afksearching for "Charactersheetbutton" in the side-bar and toggling it twice will correct the positioning.
20:56.12Helral|Afkalso zooming out to 50% gives best view.
21:05.05Helral|AfkSixen: it ain't near being finished though ;p
21:05.51PM|awayThis map sucks
21:06.32Helral|AfkPM: which one?
21:06.35PM|awayThis map
21:06.37PM|awayright here
21:06.38PM|awayit sucks
21:07.05Sixen=p
21:07.50Bibendus|AFKmmmm
21:08.03Bibendushealing a unit that receives fatal damage
21:08.09Bibendusshouldn't revive it?
21:08.26Bibendusor prevent it from dying
21:09.21Helral|Afkadjusting it's HP in a trigger using the unit receives dmg event should prevent it's death, as long as you increase it's hp with more then the dmg.
21:10.00Bibendusyep
21:10.12Bibendusand i think it worked some times ago
21:10.14BibendusI tried it today
21:10.18Bibendusand it doesnt work :|
21:10.22Bibendusthe unit dies anyway
21:10.29Helral|Afkstill works in my map, but not when it get's hit with 2 attacks at the same time.
21:10.47Bibendusmm
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21:11.46MexaHeyo folks.
21:12.00Helral|Afkalso you can try using the unit flag "Prevent Destroy" ;p
21:12.14Bibendusunits already have it
21:12.15Bibendusby default
21:12.16Bibendusi think
21:12.31Mexahttp://www.shoutcast.com/shoutcast_popup_player?station_id=664978&play_status=1&stn=Chipmode chiptune :D
21:13.01Bibendusluv 8bit songs
21:13.12Mexais nice
21:13.14Mexaindeed
21:13.25Bibendusis it getting the songs
21:13.27Bibendusfrom old games?
21:13.41MexaI don't know, might be cusotm content, might be original songs
21:13.46MexaIt's some radio I found
21:13.47Mexa:>
21:13.53Mexa*custom
21:14.01Bibenduswho
21:14.02Bibendusthats epic
21:14.08Bibendusthat song i mean
21:14.09Bibenduslol
21:14.22Bibendusi should use it on crush company
21:14.23Bibendus:P
21:14.43Mexaheh
21:14.49Triceronwoot, almost finished my grunt model!
21:14.52Triceronhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/Triceron/Orc_02_ingame.jpg
21:14.54MexaIf you look at the streamwindow
21:15.00MexaIt says the name of the song I think
21:15.17Jum-Jumnice work
21:15.19Jum-Jumlooks great
21:15.24BibendusStar Paws
21:15.24Jum-Jumhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JB7jSFeVz1U
21:16.21Jum-Jumlets celebrate with an amazing song
21:16.22Bibenduscommodore
21:16.22Bibendusgame
21:16.22Bibendus:P
21:16.28Mexaah
21:16.30MexaNeat
21:16.40MexaThey might ahve been remixes as well tho
21:17.02MexaWouldn't surprise me if it's mixed vgm songs and mized remix or just plain originals
21:17.08Bibendushttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnaZV-K6BIY
21:17.09Bibendusis it always on?
21:17.24MexaNo idea
21:17.37MexaI've been listening on it for a couple of hours
21:17.39Mexa:D
21:18.17Bibendusi think its all old games
21:18.23Bibendusbtw tx for this channel
21:18.24Bibendus:P
21:18.49Mexanp:>
21:19.13MexaOh Bibendius, I still think it's mixed, since I heard user content before today
21:20.52Bibendusoh k
21:21.44Mexabut it doesn't really matter, does it :p
21:23.19Bibendusnope
21:23.24Bibenduscuz i don't know any of the songs i ve heard
21:23.34Bibendusi played a lot of amiga games but not commodore old
21:23.40Bibenduslol?
21:23.46Bibendusis that the car song?
21:23.56Bibendussupercar?
21:24.31Bibendusmmm
21:24.41BibendusHelral|Afk i made a map to test
21:24.45Bibendusthe healing of units
21:24.48Bibendusbut it doesnt work
21:24.49Bibendus:|
21:25.15MexaDon't ask me about the songs, I have never heard them before .-.
21:25.26MexaWhich makes it overall nice
21:25.26Helral|AfkBibendus: hmmm
21:26.26Bibendusare u sure it works for u
21:26.43Helral|AfkBibendus: http://pastebin.com/YNxqUi4K <-- my setup
21:26.55DresniaHelral|Afk I mindfucked the WTE :P
21:27.30Dresniahttp://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/terrain/21615-weekly-terraining-exercise-33-eye-of-the-storm/#p2
21:27.35Mephs`afkYO BITCHES
21:27.35Bibendus(Triggering damage amount) >= (((Triggering unit) Life (Current)) + ((Triggering unit) Shields (Current)))
21:27.37Bibenduswhy
21:27.40Mephs`afkI HOPE YOU ARE READY TO GET ALL PROFESSIONAL AND SHIT
21:27.45Mephs`afkTONIGHT WE ARE MAKING DATA SHIT
21:27.45Bibendusdidnt u just make the event to check if the damage was deadly
21:27.46BibendusxD
21:28.05Helral|Afkmade in beta ;p
21:28.09Mephsthat's right.  sc2streamster, brought to you by the surprisingly mediocre sc2 mapster
21:28.14Mephsi'm going to make this shit shine
21:28.16Mephsmotherfuckers
21:28.32Mephsif you don't tune in i will punch your grandmother
21:28.49Helral|AfkBibendus: it works still just tested. ;p
21:28.59Bibendusbut h heal
21:29.01Bibendusafter 10 sec
21:29.01Bibenduslets see
21:29.36Helral|Afkit
21:29.43Helral|Afkit revives theunit after 10 seconds.
21:30.04Helral|Afkit basicly heals it moves it away. then after 10 seconds places it back with more healing
21:32.04MexaIt feels so intriguing to learn data with such kind words.
21:32.12Mexalol.
21:32.32Bibendusi know the issue related to the fact
21:32.35Bibendusthat after the wait
21:32.40Bibendusthe triggering unit is loss
21:32.54Bibendusjust healing
21:32.57Bibendusdoesnt ress them btw
21:32.57Bibendus:|
21:34.19BibendusTURRICAN
21:34.24Helral|Afkit heals twice Bibendus ;p
21:34.33Bibendusi set life to 100%
21:34.40Bibenduseven if the damage is 33%
21:34.45Helral|Afksame as I do ;p
21:34.49Helral|Afkline 14 of my trigger
21:36.00Helral|AfkI'm off anyway ;p cya later
21:36.36Bibendusmm
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21:37.13Ashamedwhen did the psn network get backup?
21:38.20Bibendusit doesnt fucking WORKKKKKKKKK AGHHHH
21:38.24Bibendusthe psn shit got up yesterday
21:40.05Bibendus<PROTECTED>
21:40.05Bibendus<PROTECTED>
21:40.10BibendusHelral|Afk
21:40.10Bibendus:O
21:41.20Mexa_Ashamed, it started get up slowly since 2 days ago or so.
21:41.33Ashamedbibendus what doesn't work on that lol?
21:41.42Bibendushttp://pastebin.com/YNxqUi4K
21:41.50Bibendusi can't make a unit not die
21:41.55Bibenduswhen receiving fatal damage
21:41.59Ashamedlet me check it out
21:42.07Bibendusthis works
21:42.12Bibendusnot the simplest one i made
21:42.28Bibendus<PROTECTED>
21:42.28Bibendus<PROTECTED>
21:42.28Bibendus<PROTECTED>
21:42.28Bibendus<PROTECTED>
21:42.28Bibendus<PROTECTED>
21:42.29Bibendus<PROTECTED>
21:42.29Bibendus<PROTECTED>
21:42.30Bibendus<PROTECTED>
21:42.30Bibendus<PROTECTED>
21:42.37Bibendusand yes I hate pastebin
21:42.37BibendusxD
21:42.47Ashamedowner of Hero = 0 <Integer>    ( wahts that one mean )
21:42.54Ashamedthere is no 0 player ><
21:43.08Ashamedis that an integer you are chaning?
21:43.45Bibendusthe pastebin thing
21:43.48Bibendusis made by helral
21:43.55Bibendusadn he says it works
21:43.56Bibendusfor him :|
21:44.19Ashamedoh
21:44.55Bibendusbtw
21:44.57Bibendusthe owner variable
21:44.57Mexa_The 0th player would be neutral by default
21:45.00Stewoxwoof
21:45.02Bibendusis set in the mid of the script
21:45.05Mexa_or explicitly stated a human player
21:45.19Bibenduswho cares about the player
21:45.22Bibendusthe problem is that
21:46.14Bibendus!
21:46.18Bibendusbomberman!
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21:46.46Bibendushttp://www.shoutcast.com/shoutcast_popup_player?station_id=664978&play_status=1&stn=Chipmode
21:46.51Ashamedwell with that trigger above.. it requires fatal damage right ???  so the only way for the trigger to run is to detect fatal damage?
21:47.06Bibendusyep
21:47.08Bibendusbut
21:47.10Bibendusthe event
21:47.11Bibendusalready does it
21:47.17Bibendusit triggers when the damage is received
21:47.24Bibendusonly when its fatal
21:47.30Bibendusbtw i think it works for him
21:47.42Ashamedso bibendus what i am saying is setting the health to a dead unit
21:47.44Bibendusjust because he made some bad triggers
21:47.46Ashamedis not going to bring it back
21:47.50Bibendusactually
21:47.56Bibendusunit dies trigger
21:48.08Bibendusat that time the unit should be dead
21:48.14Bibenduswhile unit receives fatal damage
21:48.16Bibendusthe unit should be still alive
21:48.52Bibendusand i  think i already used this in the past
21:48.53Bibendusand it worked
21:49.02Bibendusnow i m trying with a simple map and it doesnt work
21:49.11XaragothPeople
21:49.13XaragothQuestion
21:49.27XaragothDo any of you can think of a good use for the Unreal Engine 3 Softbody Tech?
21:49.30XaragothI couldn't.
21:49.34XaragothTurns out, the Tera Devs could!
21:49.35Xaragothhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wojP2E_hAJY
21:49.37Bibenduspeople of mapsterland
21:50.23Bibendusboobies
21:50.26Bibenduswhat did u say?
21:50.28BibendusxD
21:50.29XaragothxD
21:50.39XaragothIts the ONLY usefull application of that tech
21:50.45Xaragothexcept maybe realitistic pudding
21:50.52Bibendusthey made it for THAT reason
21:50.54Bibendusand we know that
21:50.58Bibendusoooh pudding
21:50.59BibendusxD
21:51.07Bibendusfull of puddings in a lot of games
21:51.08Mephsi like pudding
21:51.27Xaragothhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bT1lqpMv5f0&NR=1
21:51.36Xaragothactually
21:51.37Bibendusstill i dont fucking get
21:51.44Xaragoththere it looks pretty good
21:51.48Bibendushow to keep a unit alive after he receives a deadlydamage
21:52.12Kuekenbibendus: not possible with triggers afaik
21:52.20Kuekenonly with damage response behaviors
21:52.23Kuekenin data
21:52.33Bibendus:|
21:52.50Bibendusthat kinda sucks?
21:52.56Bibendusso whats the difference between
21:52.59Bibendusunit receives fatal damage
21:53.00Bibendusand unit dies?
21:53.01Bibendus...
21:53.16Kuekenin receives fatal damage you have access to the damage dealt ;)
21:53.26Stewoxwhat's wrong ?
21:53.30Kuekenand units can die without receiving damage
21:53.38Ashamedbibendus just re-create the unit after it dies
21:53.53Bibendusi already do it but it makes my trigger choppy
21:53.55Kueken...or use a behavior
21:54.08Bibendusi would need to make my triggers more complex
21:54.13Ashamedreally ?? you should be able to do that pretty simple, with little triggers
21:54.21Bibendusno i mean
21:54.26Bibendusin hive keeper
21:54.37Bibendusi did a trigger to convert a fortified wall into a dirt wall
21:54.57Bibendusthe change event is caused by a dead dummy unit
21:55.08Bibenduswhen the unit dies and is recreated
21:55.23Bibendusthe workers AI will stop attacking the wall for a while
21:55.31Ashamedoh yeah
21:55.40BibendusI would need to make a complex trigger that would cause tonz of bugs
21:55.50Bibendusto let them continue to dig
21:55.54Bibenduswith no interruptions
21:56.03Ashamedyou can mby have it detect the amount of life
21:56.04Kuekenand whats wrong with using a behavior?
21:56.08Ashamedand if its less teh 1% then do it
21:56.09Bibendusso keeping the wall alive would be the easier way
21:56.16Ashamedor you can use a behavior :)
21:56.25Bibendusstupid behaviors :|
21:56.39Ashamedbut i wouldn't know how to start on that one lol
21:56.46Bibendusstill
21:56.49Kuekenze evil data
21:56.51Bibendusi dont get the diff between unit dies
21:56.55Bibendusand unit reeive fatal damage
21:56.58Kuekenlike stated
21:57.01Bibendusdata is SATAN
21:57.06Kuekenyou can die without being damaged
21:57.07BibendusDATAN
21:57.10Ashamedyeah i know :(
21:57.17KuekenI like data
21:57.19Stewoxlol
21:57.24Bibendusactually i m able to do it with data but i hate to use it
21:57.34Kueken:)
21:57.41Bibendusor i think i m able to
21:57.50Bibenduslooking the heroes behavior
21:57.56Bibenduswhen they go unconscious
22:05.51Nash|327kittuns in bags
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22:07.36Clordhmmm
22:07.49Nash|327do units disappear from unit group when they die?
22:08.13ClordMIRC is awesome... I reseted my connection from modem to fix upload etc speeds... and MIRC does not even realize it got disconnected in meantime
22:08.22ClordI mean it does reconnecting in stealth lol
22:08.32Nash|327ninja IRC
22:10.10Clorddummy unit?
22:10.12ClordOMG XD
22:10.33Nash|327huh?
22:10.37Clorderrrm
22:10.51ClordI just used most overused saying in the america
22:11.40Nash|327uh-huh
22:12.08Clordbut honestly... shouldn't dummy units almost be no needed anymore expect in very special cases?
22:12.43Stewoxbibendus
22:12.50Stewoxwhat's not working?
22:13.00Bibendusresurrecting a unit
22:13.02Bibendusthat takes fatal damage
22:13.15Bibendusbtw i m goin to play magicka
22:13.16Bibendusscrew that
22:13.17BibendusxD
22:13.29Nash|327did you use revive hero?
22:18.37Clordjesus
22:18.41Clorderrrm
22:19.36ClordTCG addicts are starting to feel like some DotA community XD
22:23.23Stewoxhttp://www.boob-tube.eu/
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22:23.42BountyHay Guyz
22:23.46XaragothClord: ignorant, stupid and a waste of space? ^^
22:23.51Xaragothevening
22:24.01StewoxTCG?
22:26.24Stewoxclord
22:26.24StewoxTCG ?
22:26.24BountyIf you update a mod that is used by a map as a depend, will it automatically get put into the map?
22:26.38Stewoxofcourse
22:26.45Stewoxuser needs to download
22:27.02Xaragothit should
22:27.05Stewoxit download only changes imo
22:27.09Xaragothif you upload, that's a different story
22:27.17Bounty?
22:27.24Bountyok
22:27.25Bountyi have a mod
22:27.27Bountyi published it
22:27.29Bountyprivate
22:27.35Bountyand used it as a dependancy for my map
22:27.40Bountybut it has more space in it
22:27.43Bountythat i would like to use
22:27.47Bountyto add to the map
22:27.54Bountyso i just add it to the mod and update the mod?
22:28.29Stewoxwhat you add to what ?
22:28.37Bountywhat i add to the mod
22:28.42Bountylike models, images etc
22:28.58Xaragothyou'll have to update the map too
22:29.04Xaragothif you want to make use of the stuff you added
22:29.06Xaragothnaturally
22:29.12Bountyhow? the map isnt even uploaded
22:29.12Bountyat all
22:29.27Xaragoththan why would you need to publish the file? ^^
22:29.31Stewoxwell what are you doing anyways ?
22:29.33Bountyugh
22:29.36Bountythe MOD is published
22:29.37Bountyonline
22:29.41Bountyand i attached it via bnet
22:29.43Bountylike
22:29.47Bountyi have to be online to work on my map
22:29.50Bountybc the mod is linked via bnet
22:29.53Bountymake sense?
22:30.07Stewoxyeah , why don't u use local version ?
22:30.16Bountybc last time i did that it fucked everything
22:30.52Stewoxjust don't let editor log into bnet at start and it will leave online versions alone
22:31.06Stewoxturn off the internet :)
22:31.09Xaragothkinda, still don't see your direct problem Ôo you just add the dependency and when you update the mod, you can access whatever you changed in your map
22:31.10Bounty????????????
22:31.12Bountywhy would i do that
22:31.23Bountylol
22:31.32Stewoxso it won't "fuck up everything" like you said
22:31.32XaragothI have no idea what exactly you want :P
22:31.32Bountyi dont understand how this has become a confused question :)
22:31.34Bountyok
22:31.38Bountyone last try here
22:31.43Bountyi have models for my map stored in a mod
22:31.48Bountyi want to add more models to that mod
22:31.52Bountyif i add more models to that mod
22:31.59Bountywill it automaticaly appear in my map
22:32.04Bountythat uses it as a dependacny
22:32.20Stewoxyes , ofcourse
22:32.30Stewoxit won't appear in your MAP as playable
22:32.39Bountywhat?
22:32.42Stewoxit will be accesible when you edit the map with edior
22:33.00Bountywhy wouldnt it be accesible in the map as playable
22:33.02Bountythat makes no sense
22:33.32Stewoxif you are replacing stuff in a mod/map that is not used by the map , then it won't appear ingame naturally
22:33.47Bountyim not replacing anything
22:33.48Bountyim adding
22:33.57Stewoxyes
22:34.03Stewoxit won't appear ingame when you play
22:34.07Bountywhy
22:34.17Xaragothyes, it will be accessable bounty
22:34.23Stewoxbecause it's just added there doing nothing
22:34.28Bountythank u Xara
22:34.29Xaragoththink you'll have to restart the editor though
22:34.30Bountythats what i though
22:34.32Stewoxyou need to update the map
22:34.34Bountyyeah
22:34.43Xaragothwe shoved around the tsof & vector modfiles all the time
22:34.54Xaragothonly thing that never worked was the goddamn sniper overlay >>
22:35.00ClordStewox... yeah... my mini project back in the beta or whatever
22:35.03Bountyis it hard to add a mod as a dependancy later into a maps development?
22:35.05Clordturned to be my greatest hit XD
22:35.12Xaragothit's fucking annoying for one thing
22:35.23Xaragothyou should always plan you project with mods in mind, if you want to use them
22:35.28Stewoxi already said that it is accessible by map automatically so you don't need to "reload dependency" .. you just need to update your map to use what you added or esle it won't be ingame
22:35.43XaragothI still wonder if you can use public modfiles uploaded by multiple people in a single map
22:35.48Clordmod dependencies are easy to handle
22:36.00Clordwhen you want update mod file later after publishing and sycnh it with map
22:36.02Clordit is easy to do
22:36.07Clordjust publish new version of mod
22:36.12Clordand update dependencies
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22:36.28Clordand publish map again so it knows those new version of mods
22:36.34Stewoxyeah .. if you know how to manually work with MPQs then it's a lot easier
22:36.45Clordlol.. all that via editor
22:36.46Clordit is easy
22:36.56Xaragothyou should still plan it
22:37.12Xaragothit's especially good for maps that benefit from multiple terrain layouts
22:37.19Xaragothlike
22:37.22Xaragothmake an aos
22:37.28Xaragothoutsource all the heroes, all the triggers
22:37.34Xaragothall you gotta do is do the terrain
22:37.38Xaragothplace the pathing nodes
22:37.40Xaragothand bäm
22:37.44Bountyi only needed a mod for one key reason
22:37.47Bounty10.5mb is not enough
22:37.47Xaragothyou got yourself a new terrain for people to play with
22:37.49Bountyfor models
22:37.51Bountyimages
22:37.51Bountyetc
22:37.56Clordhehe yeah
22:38.02ClordTCG is way more than 20mb download
22:38.04Clordfor first timer
22:38.06Clord^^
22:38.31XaragothTDs also benefit from that
22:38.37Xaragothor if you look at the idea of a market place
22:38.42Xaragothyou could in theory sell heroes
22:38.47Xaragothlike the moba games do
22:38.47Xaragoth:p
22:38.53Clordlol but you know
22:38.57Xaragothif that is within the rights of the selling in the shop
22:38.57Clordblizzard might not add such support
22:39.02Xaragothwell
22:39.02Clordthey might just allow sell maps
22:39.06Clordnot DLC for them XD
22:39.06Xaragothyou just sell the map
22:39.08Xaragothwith the hero
22:39.14Xaragothas a 1€ map
22:39.15Xaragothand than
22:39.19Xaragothyou get the dependencie
22:39.24Xaragothfor a hero in the real map
22:39.32Xaragothmoney is in this people, i tell ye
22:39.44Clordyeah but it would require blizzard to code such support first
22:39.45Clordlol
22:39.49Xaragothnot really
22:39.51Xaragothit's all there
22:39.54Xaragothyou just gotta use it
22:39.54Xaragoth=)
22:40.43Clordwhat I really would like that when marketplace comes... you could make map have trial feature
22:40.47Clordyou know
22:40.49Clordlet play for example
22:40.51Clordfive matches
22:40.52Clordfor free
22:41.03Mexa_TCG?
22:41.19Clordkinda XD
22:41.25ClordI would probably go with something like that
22:41.28Mexa_No, what it is?
22:41.34ClordTHE Card Game
22:41.37Clordor
22:41.38Clordnew drug
22:41.39Clordlol
22:41.50Mexa_I see
22:41.53Mexa_.
22:41.54Xaragothwell
22:41.59Xaragoththere is a lot of ways to make money
22:42.06Xaragothyou just have to do it in a way
22:42.11Xaragoththat makes people want to spend the money
22:42.11Xaragoth^^
22:42.20Mexa_Hey Bibendius, are you still listening on the chiptune radio, or did you gave up a long time ago?
22:42.23Clordthen again.. maps like THE Card Game.. would generate sales without trial or demo
22:42.34Clordbecause they would have played it before
22:42.46Clordand it would then spread via those guys
22:43.00Stewoxdependency is just called such because map depends on it , it's basically nothing special
22:43.26Stewoxwhen i first tried beta and diggen into modding
22:43.32Clordexpect it is godly tool
22:43.33Clordlol
22:43.37Clordaround size limit
22:43.59Clordmaybe it was blizzard's secret master plan
22:44.03Clordgiving us slots etc
22:44.03Stewoxi had no idea how this system works and i totally consfused by blizzards terms
22:44.03Kuekenhow many mods can a map depend on?
22:44.05Clordso we do less maps
22:44.08Clordwith more quality
22:44.11Clordusing slots for mods XD
22:44.15Kuekenover 9000?
22:44.22Stewoxyeah , why not
22:44.35Stewoxi don't see a technical limit
22:44.44Clordhehe
22:44.48Clordwould cause heck of loading time
22:44.55Stewoxif there is , it's artificial
22:44.56Kuekenat patch 1.1-ish there was a limit of i think 5 mods
22:46.19Stewoxlimit of 50 MB per account is not really an evil limit , considering they're hosting everything for free ... but it's not way enough
22:46.32Stewoxyou know , it's not a bad thing , they will increase when time comes
22:46.41Stewoxwhen people get to build bigger stuff
22:46.55Stewoxand if TC make it , it's quite time til they make it
22:47.28Clordhehe.. THE Card Game could use slogan ^^
22:47.40Stewoxbut for the start though , i don't think blizzards does anything to support TCs yet , Dune Evolution just went down , they say copyrights policies and Bnet totally made their release of the mod impossible
22:47.47Clord"fast, fluid action... unlike in those other card related maps"
22:48.01Clordreminds me of C&C devs
22:48.03ClordEALA
22:48.13Clordtheir marketing talk was "fast, fluid, fun"
22:48.22Clordwhen promoting RTS titles XD
22:48.29Kuekenthe slogan is kinda contradictory
22:48.49KuekenTHE card game implies, there are no other card games
22:49.09Clordyeah true
22:49.24Clordin the sense... name of map is half true somewhat
22:49.30Clordbut then again XD
22:49.37ClordI probably cane up with name when I was sitting on toilet
22:50.27Clordnot sure if it is because of name or what.. but it lives true of it's name lol.. almost
22:51.56Clordanyways.... name of the map has had decided effect what I did seek from it
22:52.59Clordlol new batman related game announced.... it is free to play downloadable FPS game where you either become batman or joker's imposter
22:53.12Clordbatman's
22:53.21Mephsthere is no validator that detects what player you are huh
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22:55.26Mexa_INET RAGEQUIT
22:56.00ClordMephs... but there is trick
22:56.06Bibendus|AFKmexn8 guyz
22:56.07Clordyou can detect what team player was during lobby
22:56.10Clordscan every player
22:56.11Bibendusn8
22:56.13Clordand assign them region
22:56.14Mephsin a validator?
22:56.15Clordso you know who they are
22:56.54Clordgood old.. pick every player.... then condition if player was in team whatever..... do your magic :)
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22:57.52Mexa__FUCKEN TEST
23:14.02Stewoxhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSi-UE-8KIk
23:22.45Nash|327kittunry
23:27.29Nash|327bag 'um
23:36.00Nash|3273 kittun baggings a day keeps the doctor away
23:40.03Mexa__http://www.shoutcast.com/shoutcast_popup_player?station_id=664978&play_status=1&stn=Chipmode yay :)
23:45.12Dresniawtf.
23:45.31Mephsok guys see you at 7pm PST, 10pm EST, tonight on SC2Streamster we're going to go over problem solving and how to approach an interesting game mechanic from "League of Legends", the brush mechanic.  For more details please see the official thread for Data Monday:  http://forums.sc2mapster.com/general/general-chat/21630-tonight-on-sc2streamer-data-monday/ -- Just to emphasize, this is not a TUTORIAL session, it is an interactive Q&A to he
23:51.15Mexa__the message cutoff
23:51.23Mexa__I'm going to bed tho
23:51.33Mexa__nioighty folks.
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23:56.37Dresniagl breaking the ice 2nite
23:56.37Dresnia:p

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