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04:35.43JademusSregMaaan, Ret is fucking up.
04:53.51Mexalolol, those commentators are goofing up
04:54.00MexaIdra and that guy
04:54.33MexaI have vanished
04:54.43MexaGood morning/night
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06:54.49tordywhat did i miss
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08:54.00Stewoxhello
08:54.05Stewoxbakc!
09:06.02StewoxHEELOOOOOOOOOOOU!
09:06.15Stewoxwow less and less people here
09:06.23Stewoxnow the scroll is gone
09:06.43Stewoxall of them fit in one screen
09:21.13Dekarits the apocalypse
09:21.16Dekarmaybe
09:23.48burne-indeed
09:23.50burne-we are doomed
09:30.12Stewoxwhat ?*
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09:34.17Stewoxhello
09:34.36burne-Stewox: did your favourite win?
09:35.00Stewoxazerbaijan won
09:36.17Stewoxanyone knows how to customize gray/black mask for fog of war
09:36.27burne-i know....
09:36.38burne-how pathetic paradise oscar was indeed...
09:36.39Stewoxi mean
09:36.52burne-finlands newspapers are like "OMG HE IS GONA WIN"
09:36.53burne-NOT
09:36.54Stewoxchnaging the texture /adding atleast
09:36.54burne-:DDD
09:36.58burne-he totally sucked
09:37.08Stewoxmhm
09:37.18Stewoxsweden you think?
09:37.31burne-sweden too
09:37.38Stewoxtoo?
09:37.44Stewoxgood or bad ?
09:39.40StewoxJademussreg
09:39.42Stewoxhere ?
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09:40.27burne-well what you think lol
09:44.00MexaOh for the record, it is funny indeed that people complain over him being gay when he has a gf and all.
09:44.56Stewoxokay
09:44.58Stewoxback to sc2
09:45.24Stewoxanyone knows if it's there possible to add custom texture to FOG of war mask
09:45.48Mexayou mean like it would be showing a image instead of just some black fog?
09:47.17Stewoxyeah , a custom ADD texture
09:47.37Stewoxi would like to add some layer so it's moe visible like white lines for example
09:47.54Mexahmm huh
09:48.08MexaNot sure about that
09:48.13Mexathat it works :/
09:48.31Mexaburne- how's the rally going?
09:49.05burne-im not working with it atm
09:49.10burne-im working with another project
09:49.26MexaBut is it publically published?
09:49.35burne-no
09:49.45Mexaaw, ok
09:49.59burne-no point releasing it at its current state
09:50.14Mexabugs'n stuff, or just incomplete?
09:50.20burne-and I dont have ideas to make it better, so ill take a break from that project
09:50.24burne-its just not fun enough
09:50.31Mexaah
09:50.53MexaI guess with some more different environments it would be funnier
09:51.01MexaAnd some championship mode
09:51.17MexaMore features anyway
09:51.19MexaBut yeah'
09:51.28burne-'I should probly redesingn my trakcs, but too lazy to do that
09:52.22Helral|Afkfinally got my positioning system fluid again.
09:52.37Helral|Afk;p
09:53.25Mexaposition system what now
09:54.09Helral|Afkmy UI gen one ;p
09:54.54Mexaoh the netbased thingy?
09:55.42Helral|Afkyup
09:55.48Helral|Afkwebbased thingy
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09:56.58MexaGot anything new to show Helral?
09:58.26MexaStewox, did you got any time on looking at the textures.db yet? I might have an idea what it is about
09:58.40Stewoxno man
09:58.43Stewoxwhat it is about ?
09:58.47Stewoxwhere is it
09:58.52StewoxXapti asked me about that
09:58.59Stewoxbut i didn't had time to check it out
09:59.13Stewoxis this about the LOW texture tweak i was making ?
09:59.32MexaIf you look inside the archive, the textures.db is located in the same folder as the textures folder
09:59.42MexaIf I remember right, in Assets
10:00.23MexaIt seem to have information abot
10:01.11Mexa*about textures in the following format <compression ratio><name><dimension>
10:01.42Stewoxyeah
10:01.50MexaIäm not sure about the compression, but it looks like it is, judging by how a .dds file looks
10:02.01Stewoxaha
10:02.10Stewoxit's the stuff that it's not in txt
10:02.31Mexahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S3_Texture_Compression
10:02.40Mexathat compression I think
10:03.03Stewoxyeah
10:03.09Mexathere's a table at the bottom, tho it does not display all the ratios you find in the textures.db
10:03.13Stewoxall textures are better
10:03.17MexaBut that could be something extended
10:03.19Stewoxthe game makes them look crap
10:03.44Mexawell *crap* or just fine but lossy:p
10:04.07Stewoxi will make HIGH texture tweak later
10:04.23Stewoxbecause low texture tweak doesn't really help with performance on low end machines
10:04.35Mexaoh I'd want to see that later
10:04.35Stewoxit only lowers RAM requirements by 500 MB
10:05.27Stewoxhelral|afk
10:06.09Helral|Afkhttp://109.71.49.81/SC2UIGenerator.html ;p
10:06.21Stewoxyou know if it's possible to customize gray mask (fog of war) to add custom texture overlay , preferably with the certain blend to only let certain colors layered and not the whole texture ... white lines ..
10:06.26Helral|Afkdunno what you've seen so far Mexa ;p
10:06.36Helral|Afkno idea Stewox.
10:08.45Mexaneato
10:08.58MexaIt's progressing:)
10:09.14Mexadoon't in particular like the slow loading:p
10:10.23Helral|AfkMexa: the loading time is the analyzation of the default SC2Layout files
10:10.46Mexait takes that long :v?
10:11.19Helral|Afkuhm yeah ;p cause it contains lots of info to be handled.
10:11.28Helral|Afkcheck the tree at the side it's long isn't it?
10:11.46Mexabut isn't this a perfect argument why you should make an applicatiom for this instead?
10:12.07Helral|Afkyou'd keep the same delay.
10:12.23MexaI'm not so sure about that
10:12.31Helral|Afkso basicly pc's with bad cpu's get longer delay
10:12.40Helral|Afkand pc's with faster cpu's get shorter delay.
10:12.49MexaIs the xml analysed by your html?
10:12.55Mexaor what is it written in?
10:13.04Helral|Afkbut anyway, the loading delay will be gone anyway.
10:13.17Helral|Afkolder version: http://109.71.49.81/SC2UIGenerated.html
10:13.21Mexamokayz
10:13.27Helral|Afkbasicly that will be the loading speed.
10:13.43Mexaalright
10:13.54MexaI can live with that
10:13.56Mexalol
10:13.58Helral|Afk;p
10:14.09Helral|AfkI skip the analyzation step there.
10:14.15Helral|Afkloading already analyzed info
10:14.51MexaIs the analyzation for custom importing?
10:17.40Helral|Afkfor patch upgrades
10:17.49Helral|Afkas well
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10:23.54Mexanicenice.
10:23.58MexaAfk
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10:29.42Stewoxheral|afk
10:29.54Stewoxyou know if it's able to launch console in in-game test mode
10:29.56Stewoxdebugger ?
10:30.14Stewoxi want to exit application , not quit into main menu and then exit ...
10:30.30Stewoxwhy tey removed exit button anyways
10:31.55Helral|Afkhmmm?
10:32.12Helral|AfkStewox: what you mean? ;p
10:32.25Stewoxingame console ?
10:32.42Stewoxor a command so i can exit application on ...
10:32.45Stewoxalft F4
10:32.47Stewox:D
10:33.26Stewoxbut ALT+F4 is a hard termination by process , that is not a good way to shutdown game (lose data)
10:33.49Stewoxwhere's the debugger
10:33.52Stewoxi didn't see it
10:34.03Helral|Afkalt+f4 is handled by the application as a shutdown command. you can actually prevent that.... but still don't understand what you mean.
10:36.09Stewoxexit game
10:36.18Stewoxexit the game
10:36.20Stewoxcommand
10:36.25Stewoxconsole command
10:36.28Stewoxthe ingame debugger
10:36.30Stewoxwhere is that
10:36.47Stewoxthere is no console for SC2 ?
10:36.51Stewoxit is for EDITOr
10:36.58Stewox<PROTECTED>
10:43.22StewoxGREAT
10:43.29Stewoxit asked me if you want to exit SC2
10:43.46Stewoxwhere is the debugger
10:44.12Blub\wI also don't like the fact that alt+f4 creates a "R U RLY SURE?" popup :P
10:44.23Stewoxeh
10:44.27Stewoxthat's subjective
10:44.30Blub\wQuit please - R U SUAR? - no I just said it for fun
10:44.36Stewoxyou don't want to do it mistakenly
10:44.40Blub\w...
10:44.46Blub\wTry pressing alt+f4 by mistake...
10:45.11Stewoxgreat come blub
10:45.12Blub\wthing is
10:45.17Stewoxyou know where is the debugger ?
10:45.18Blub\wsc2 is not that bad in that respect
10:45.23Blub\wsince in the menu, alt+f4 quits immediately
10:45.28Blub\wit only asks if you're in a running game
10:45.34Blub\wbut some games, ...
10:45.40Blub\wmost games even do this in the main menu
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10:45.58Blub\wand that's just useless, annoying, and wastes time and people's nerves...
10:46.05Stewoxcome on
10:46.33Stewoxdoesn't matter at all it's not important thing , the important thing is that i can ACTUALLY QUIT IT without going into bnet login
10:46.37Stewoxyou know where is the debugger ?
10:46.55StewoxJademussreg
10:47.01Blub\wno idea if there's a debugger available
10:47.41Blub\wmy favourite line in the whole darkplaces engine source code:
10:47.43Blub\w/TODO: Add a quit query in linux, too - though linux user are more likely to know what they do
10:50.03Stewoxanyways
10:50.24Stewoxdebugger is available
10:50.30Stewoxjust where the heck it is
10:51.02StewoxJademussregž
10:51.09Stewoxmeh
10:51.13Stewoxsleeping americans
10:51.16Helral|AfkStewox: you talking bout the trigger debugger?
10:51.27Stewoxofcourse , there's no other debugger
10:51.40Helral|Afkfile --> preferences --> run in window, run debugger
10:51.46Helral|Afkor something
10:52.02Helral|Afkit's at the sc2editor test document stuff.
10:53.27Stewoxyes
10:53.29Stewoxexactly
10:53.34Stewoxbut it doesn't show up for me
10:53.56Helral|Afkyou got run in a window checked?
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10:54.01Helral|Afkand show debugger?
10:56.30Stewoxi don't find that
10:56.43Blub\woh
10:56.45Blub\wthat thing
10:57.03Helral|Afk[12:51] <Helral|Afk> file --> preferences --> run in window, run debugger
10:57.03Helral|Afk[12:51] <Helral|Afk> or something
10:57.03Helral|Afk[12:51] <Helral|Afk> it's at the sc2editor test document stuff.
10:57.08Helral|Afkit's there I just looked it up.
10:57.35Stewoxthere is no run in window
10:57.52Helral|AfkRun Game In A Window to be exact
10:57.59Stewoxaha
10:58.02Stewoxin test document
10:58.16Helral|Afkyup that's why I copy/pasted all 3 lines.
10:58.16Stewoxi can't run fullscreen then ?
10:58.28Helral|Afksureyou can just go fullscreen by game options
10:58.45Helral|Afkbut trigger debugger is useless unless windowed. cause you can't see it ;p
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11:42.21Stewoxhelral|afk
11:42.47Stewoxwhen i set editor video options to Custom , it displays me messages "warning:  Missing String" ....
11:44.43Stewoxsee if you got this problem too ?
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12:06.29HP-X|Arthashttp://www.galacticempiretimes.com/2011/05/09/galaxy/outer-rim/obi-wan-kenobi-is-killed.html
12:07.50Stewoxhah
12:18.18Dresniaany of you buying the  star wars mmo btw
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12:22.08ReckeDo/ sup peeps, long time no see
12:22.57ReckeDi lost my maps dir
12:23.13ReckeDanyon know how to get your published maps off your bnet account?
12:23.46ExakenI don't think you can, unless it's unlocked
12:24.18ReckeDthats silly, if its my published map i should be able to pull it from bnet >.<
12:24.35Helral|AfkFile --> Manage Published --> Open in editor
12:24.40Helral|Afkthen save on disk again
12:25.04ReckeDsaved on disk helral, but wont let me open in editor for w/e reason
12:25.41Helral|Afkdid you lock it when uploading?
12:26.19ReckeDyup
12:26.33Helral|Afkthen you need to do some mpq editing to get it editable.
12:26.47Helral|Afkdunno what you need to do exactly though.
12:27.05ReckeDblizzard should just give it to me in an email or something, seriously
12:27.19ReckeDiv got editor crash logs here from when i was making it =P
12:28.58DresniaReckeD, that would be great.
12:29.04DresniaBut we both know Blizzard cba :(
12:29.30DresniaThe only way to get things going is too google up 'how too hack a locked map' or something
12:29.35ReckeDindeed.. =(
12:29.49DresniaIt's rather normal Blizzard won't do it though.
12:29.58DresniaI'm not saying your map isn't good but..
12:30.14Dresnia95% of people who make maps are kinda 12year old bad stuff maps :P
12:30.24DresniaSo the 5% in here is punished for that
12:30.40ReckeDaye
12:30.43DresniaOr well, the 6% in here :D
12:31.00DresniaMan I'm bored :(
12:31.04DresniaI wanna go do something ugh
12:31.33ReckeDi was happy to see nexus wars wasnt no.1 on the list when i started playing again =P
12:34.25Stewoxstarwars mmo
12:34.31Stewoxthe one from Bioaware ?
12:34.56Dresniayea
12:34.59Dresniaold republic
12:50.19StewoxEA louse
12:50.20Stewoxhah
12:50.38Stewoxa 20 GIG installation with voiceovers they say
12:51.20Stewoxhttps://ealouse.wordpress.com/
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13:04.00Stewoxhello
13:04.01Stewoxonyone
13:04.12StewoxDresnia
13:04.18Stewoxyou're data specialsit ?
13:14.15Dresnianope
13:16.23Stewoxok
13:16.59Helral|Afkmeow
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14:00.55DresniaHelral|Afk
14:00.58Dresniayou there
14:02.20StewoxJademussreg
14:02.22Stewoxhere ?
14:13.42Helral|Afkmeow?
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14:15.35Mexa_hello.
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14:26.55burne-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PDnxCe6oAI&feature=player_embedded
14:27.01burne-umm...
14:31.24Dresniabig boobs !
14:32.51burne-Im gona make a hero arena
14:33.01burne-problem is I need to make clif system similar to smash
14:33.10burne-and dunno where should I begin
14:33.12burne-:/
14:33.30Dresniawait what
14:33.32Dresniacliff system ?
14:33.42burne-you know different heights as in clif levels?
14:33.51Dresniayeah whats hard in that
14:33.52burne-you cannot shoot to higher clif level
14:33.55burne-but can shoot to lower
14:34.07burne-many things dresnia, many things
14:34.08Dresniadepends if you have vision or not
14:34.20Dresniaor you mean a trigger wise detection
14:34.24burne-mainly the problem is that it takes quite a lot of work
14:34.39burne-I know how to do it
14:34.40Dresniaregion check if a player is in a +2 or +1 or 0 zone
14:34.48Dresniathen enable/disable attacking
14:34.54burne-dont start teaching your father son....
14:35.15Dresniamy father can't even use a cellphone
14:35.20Dresniaso no use teaching him
14:35.53burne-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MT9flrXAR0
14:36.17burne-and I have to design an arena
14:36.22burne-I might do multiple ones later
14:36.31DresniaI got 9 created so far :O
14:36.36DresniaI'll sell a few !
14:36.51burne-im poor
14:36.53DresniaBut why make a hero arena
14:37.02DresniaThere's already like 200 around
14:37.05burne-cause thats the only thing I can make my heroes work
14:37.07Dresniawith 3-4 really good
14:37.13burne-its gona be a bit different though
14:37.26burne-even if it fails, its the direction I wana go with
14:37.35burne-lol name 3 good arenas
14:37.43burne-i can only name 1
14:37.48burne-and its totally different from mine
14:38.21DresniaI'm crap at remembering names
14:38.35burne-then you lied!
14:38.42Dresniawhatever
14:38.48burne-!!!
14:38.52Dresniai'm gna do sume boring melees cuz i hate life
14:38.53Dresniattyl
14:56.57burne-I really hate that  you cant use two loops together in sc2...
14:57.09burne-you have to use while and for each integer together
14:57.16burne-cant do 2xfor each -_-'
14:57.18burne-bulllshiiiiiiiiit
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15:09.22Helral|Afkburne-: you can do 2 foreaches together.
15:09.31Helral|Afkburne-: you can't do 2 pickeach together.
15:09.37burne-hmm
15:09.49burne-is that so
15:09.51burne-are you sure?
15:10.00Helral|Afkfor each IntA from 1 to 9 do for each intB from 10 to 18 do
15:10.07Helral|Afkjust use different variables.
15:10.15burne-I feel like iv tested it sometimes, but maybe i had same variable
15:10.16Helral|AfkI use it in my map so yeah I'm sure
15:10.22burne-kk ty
15:10.31burne-saves some trouble from me
15:11.26burne-and thge second one is inside first loop right Helral|Afk ?
15:11.36burne-just to make sure
15:11.37burne----
15:12.31Helral|Afkyup
15:24.59burne-is there a way to change movers with triggers?
15:25.41burne-I guess catalog field could work
15:25.48burne-meh I hate clif levels
15:25.51burne-too many problems for me
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15:30.00Dresniaburne- cliff lvls asin terrain
15:30.04Dresniaor some trigger stuff
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15:32.57Dresniaburne- reply dude !
15:33.03HatiNo
15:33.06HatiDon't
15:33.07Dresniaif you need help terrain clifs just tell me
15:33.14DresniaHati go die in a fire and burne- =(
15:33.24Hatiburne :(
15:33.44burne-:D
15:33.50Dresniaslaps burne- around a bit with a large trout
15:33.53burne-i got problem with triggeres
15:33.55burne-not terrain
15:33.59Dresniaok
15:33.59JademusSreg"go die in a fire and burne" If you were inside burne, I suppose you could die from suffocation.
15:34.02burne-but I guess its terrain related problem
15:34.27DresniaJademusSreg you would be burning inside burne-
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15:35.36JademusSregHis internal body temperature combined with insufficient means of transfering heat outside of oneself would cause you to succumb to brain damage, but not burn.
15:36.45Dresnialooks at JademusSreg sadly confused :(
15:37.35burne-you two guys :D
15:37.47ZetaLocusdoes anyone have a good method of making units ofr different move speeds move in unison?
15:38.12JademusSregYou mean at the same rate?
15:38.44JademusSregIt's not wc3, so units won't really slow to keep formation./
15:38.47ZetaLocusyeah
15:38.48ZetaLocushm
15:38.48ZetaLocusok
15:38.55JademusSregYou just need to modify unit speed. =D
15:39.50ZetaLocusROFL
15:40.33DresniaI usually aim my fast units on my slow ones on a melee game
15:40.38Dresniato make them group up properly
15:41.52JademusSregIf your hellions and marines to stay in a formation, it's more complicated than that.
15:42.16JademusSregIf you just have a group of units and want them to stay together, Dres's suggestion will work.
15:42.24ZetaLocushmm
15:42.26ZetaLocusok
15:44.54Stewoxjademussreg
15:45.00Stewoxthe conjoin doesn't work right
15:45.08Stewox...i duplicated NEXUS and RAVEN
15:45.26Stewoxlinked everything else only the base and Actor
15:45.34Stewoxare duplicated.
15:45.45Stewoxi added behavior for both
15:45.53Stewoxand seems it doesn't work
15:46.15JademusSregHaha
15:46.55Stewoxwhat
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15:47.06JademusSregGuess I'll need to test it myself.
15:47.17JademusSregI've used Conjoined before just fine.
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15:48.20doitehi, long time no see
15:48.34JademusSregHi.
15:49.03JademusSregI don't know you, but I can tell we're going to be friends.
15:49.54doiteHehe, you seem like a kind soul, but im afraid not. Why i stopped playing / making maps for SC2 is due to a new game i started to play: Allods Online (free mmorpg)
15:50.38JademusSregI jest, of course. I am thoroughly ridiculous.
15:50.39Stewoxjademus
15:50.45StewoxAlignment
15:50.51Stewoxneutral / positive /negative
15:50.55DresniaAllods Online doite
15:50.58Dresniawhats that :o
15:51.15doiteIts just like world of warcraft
15:51.24doite2-3 million players
15:51.30doitebut free
15:51.43JademusSregStew, Alignment just determines the tint it gets in the buff panel.
15:51.47JademusSregHaha
15:51.52DresniaSo another crapy WoW copy that only brings you back to the original
15:52.23doiteActually not, i have played all of the big free mmorpg and agree with you, but this one is insanely good
15:52.34doitemost expensive free mmorpg made
15:52.50DresniaIt looks decent graphicly
15:53.00DresniaBut I guess its another farm too improve mmo
15:53.31doiteWell, the benefits with allods is that they have alot of things that no other mmorpg has
15:53.59Dresnialike what exactly
15:54.03Dresniasome pointers ?
15:54.18doiteYou can have your own ship where u fight deamons in the sky and go to islands where u fight bosses to recieve ship parts and loots for example
15:54.24doitethere of the name (allods)
15:54.50Dresniahmm ok
15:54.54Dresniathanks for the tip :)
15:54.59DresniaI'll look into it something
15:55.04Dresnianow back to my move ! battle for LA
15:55.20Obatztrarahey doite its been a while :D
15:55.49doiteYou have Astral Confrontation, where u each week bid for a location, (hard to explain) and if u win you get the chance to challange the current owner of the location (guild vs guild), where the current has the benefit of being in a fortress
15:55.57doiteOh hey mate
15:55.59doiteIndeed it has
15:56.09doiteWhats up?
15:56.16JademusSregIf they ever make an MMO with a world-shaping craftability that exceeds Minecraft, meaningful consequences within the context of the gameworld that exceeds EVE, and has graphics on par with Crytek or Skyrim, I would play it.
15:56.22Obatztrarastill working on the same map ;p
15:56.42doiteThere is actually JademusSreg
15:56.44JademusSregAnd I will not play an MMO anything short of that.
15:56.50doiteIll check the name
15:57.20doiteWell not as crafting as Minecraft ofc...
15:57.45doiteWould suck to have a mmorpg with 2million players + with that kind of thing. No one would do anything else
15:57.46DresniaI played it all, all mmo's are great fun especially wow
15:58.02JademusSregFor instance, in this hypothetical ideal MMO, I could make a catapult from materials not according to a preset design design but it would be contructed from parts and behave according to physics.
15:58.03Dresniauntill you realise your life sucks balls and your guildleader tells you when too raid
15:58.07doiteBut similar to UO (ultima online) - a game from... 1998 or something
15:58.23doiteBut ofc with better graphincs and third person mode
15:58.33DresniaTibia ftw !
15:58.37doiteHehe
15:58.48Mexa_lol, Blizzard's response on their wow subscribtion losses. "We felt like people were finishing Cataclysm faster than expected, so we need to deliver more expansions faster in the future"
15:59.05doiteObatztrara, is the map getting better?
15:59.14Mexa_So instead of each year, every half year?
15:59.16Mexa_:>
15:59.16doiteBlizzard has no chance anymore
15:59.19DresniaBlizzard needs to give 5 Vanilla servers
15:59.26Dresniaand they would gain 3-4million instant
15:59.29doiteRegarding world of warcraft i mean
15:59.38JademusSregBy craftability, I mean the game does not have Craft Recipes, but rather people must use raw materials in the game world to make things, no predetermined patterns or items.
15:59.40Stewoxplease try it jademus
15:59.45Dresnia11million subs on a 7year old game
15:59.47JademusSregIt would need to be akin to colonizing a new world.
15:59.51DresniaTrust me, try to beat it ;>
16:00.05Mexa_Despite their losses on 500k subscriptions, they are still strong with over 11.5 million subscribers still..
16:00.14Mexa_And cataclysm isn't released in China yet
16:00.23DresniaAt a 7year old crappy game
16:00.28JademusSregWith permanent death, such that you are forced to make a new character that respawns at some random player-driven habitation on the planet.
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16:00.30DresniaGreat gameplay tho
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16:00.51doiteI know JademusSreg, but a game that should substain a chance to live longer then 2 months cant be like mine craft, but theres alot of games wher eu can use raw materials from mining, logging, smithing, to make houses and stuff
16:00.59Mexa_I am not saying whether it is good or bad, I am just saying that they still stand stronger than any other mmorpg out there, free or not
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16:01.19doiteTo alter the enviroment by "blowing" up a mountain to place your house there
16:01.43Mexa_That they hooked up that many people on a such an old game is pretty impressive.
16:01.49Mexa_Still.
16:02.09JademusSregUnless I can build gallows, radios, and a hundred thousanrd different dick statues (not because I want to, but because the crafting would need to be infinitely dynamic), I'm not even near interested.
16:02.11doiteMexa actually they dont. The count of games like, well since i play it, allods online grow by 25% per month (and it allready has 2-3 million players)
16:02.14DresniaWell WoW is amazing
16:02.19DresniaBut I can't stand beeing 2nd
16:02.23Dresniaand beeing nr1 in WoW
16:02.27Mexa_And wow have 11.5 millions
16:02.28doiteIn a year there will have more players then wow has subscribers
16:02.29Dresnia18hrs a day or dont even bother trying
16:02.30Mexa_I rest my case
16:02.51doiteMexa, allods has been out for half a year. i rest my case
16:02.56Mexa_In a year? I doubt it
16:03.15JademusSregIn The Ideal MMO, armies of players would probably battle for control of The Valley Of Cocks. If Spore has shown us anything, give people a creative game, and they will create cocks.
16:03.28Mexa_Meh, playing neither anyway
16:03.45Mexa_lol Jade
16:03.45JademusSregWhich streams are gonna be up tonight Mexa?
16:04.01Mexa_sexism and immature humour like that simply don't work in games
16:04.05Mexa_Really <.<
16:04.25Mexa_jademus, it's the TSL3 final today
16:04.39Mexa_Sweden vs Sweden :D
16:04.42JademusSregAll cultures have sculpted phallic symbolism, Mexa. =)
16:05.03Mexa_lols I guess <.<
16:05.20doitephallic?
16:05.29JademusSreg?
16:05.37doitedefinition?
16:06.37JademusSregCockly. Dickesque.
16:06.51Mexa_JademusSreg, TSL3 finals, at 2pm EST and 8pm CEST (for me)
16:07.12JademusSregNice. 2 hours.
16:07.15Mexa_Yeah
16:08.27PM|awaygah
16:08.35Mexa_ThorZaIN vs NaNiwa, I hope it's going to be great
16:08.38PM|awayLinking ability cooldowns is so annoying
16:08.58Mexa_PM are you Prozamic Muze?
16:09.03PM|awayPossibly
16:09.08PM|awayOnly if you have cookies
16:09.09Mexa_hm, I guess I spelled it wrong
16:09.18Mexa_I have kittuns
16:09.21PM|awayEwww
16:09.25PM|awayI'm not Helral
16:09.33Mexa_;p
16:09.43Mexa_hides a cookie under the cake.
16:10.36Mexa_Oh well, I should go back being derpish. I have a headache since a few hours ago :\
16:10.47Mexa_And hopefully wake up in an hour or so
16:10.52Mexa_Later!
16:11.17PM|awaythat's right
16:11.20PM|awaygtfo!
16:11.58JademusSregStew, worked perfectly for me.
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16:14.03Mexa_Hey Jademus?
16:14.32JademusSreg?
16:14.53Mexa_wc3c is pretty much silent like the grave now, isn't it?
16:14.58JademusSregYes.
16:15.16Mexa_Where did everybody go?
16:15.43JademusSregSC2 was released and the world moved on, and rightfully so.
16:15.59Mexa_The only one I've seen from there is you, deaod and grim.
16:16.11Mexa_Moving on to sc2 I mean:>
16:16.24Mexa_But probably righfully so indeed.
16:17.27JademusSregA lot of people, the vast majority, of modders try to make a thing bloated in all of their ambition. They either fail to finish it, or finish something and it's complete shit, and then they leave, never to mod again.
16:18.13JademusSregThe big mod community sites are always like this.
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16:18.38BountyHay Guyz
16:18.41Mexa_what about thw?
16:18.59JademusSregA bazillion members and maybe a dozen consistently updated projects, because everyone else failed or burned out.
16:19.00Mexa_Or was that what you were implying too?
16:19.14Mexa_lol
16:19.17BountySo, whats this discussion about
16:19.25Mexa_True tho.
16:19.30JademusSregTHW is like that too. The err on this side of shit as a part of their prolific production.
16:19.51JademusSregHi Bounty.
16:19.52Mexa_Bounty, we are just wc3sites chitchatting
16:20.07BountyAh
16:20.14BountyNo idea what that means but, cool
16:20.17Mexa_Jade, prolific?
16:20.21Mexa_warcraft 3¨
16:20.27Mexa_so warcraft 3 sites
16:20.31PM|awayPsh
16:20.34PM|awayscrew your conversation
16:20.41PM|awayI'm trying to link abilities in a daisy chain
16:20.41JademusSregTHW has prolific output, but they make mostly shit.
16:20.48JademusSregduncare.
16:20.48Mexa_You're away, quite you
16:20.53PM|awayTHW steals everything from everyone
16:20.56Mexa_*quiet
16:21.11PM|awayAnd you're a jew
16:21.15PM|awaybut you dont' see me complainin'
16:21.18Mexa_THW have a strict policy vs stealing, in the contrary to XGM, if you know about them..'
16:21.28PM|awayStrict policy lol. . .
16:21.33burne-hmm
16:21.43burne-I wonder if its really possible to make smooth clif level beam
16:21.59burne-mine looks decent
16:21.59Mexa_PM, if someone finds something there which is stolen, it is taken down
16:21.59burne-but not perfect
16:22.14Mexa_it's as strict as it can be, but there are more dull users who does it there.
16:22.33Mexa_But I guess it could be more punishable
16:23.01Mexa_PM, also, what's with your attitude problem <.<?
16:23.02PM|awayI don't mean stealing maps and that stuff
16:23.14PM|awayI mean like stealing news articles, tutorials, help stuff etc
16:23.19Mexa_lol
16:23.32Mexa_how do you steal a news article?
16:23.36PM|awayRather than making their own, most sites steal them from us or that one site we were jokingly going to merge with
16:23.37PM|awaylol
16:23.40Mexa_Theres always a link to the source
16:23.40PM|awayJust ask sixen
16:23.42PM|awayhe'll tell you
16:23.54PM|awayA lot of sites take his news articles
16:24.01PM|awayjust like a lot of sites take my tutorials and repost them on their site lol
16:24.05PM|awayAnd I don't have an attitude problem
16:24.07PM|awayI'm a troll
16:24.11PM|awayYou should know that by now ;p
16:24.16Mexa_So, forwarding an article with a quote or similar, and reference the source at the end is stealing though?
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16:24.30PM|awayThat's the thing, they don't actually reference him usually
16:24.51Mexa_merpaderp
16:25.21PM|awayAnd has anyone had any success with partially linked ability cooldowns?
16:25.36Mexa_AfaIk anyway, THW doesn't steal articles
16:25.50Mexa_But I guess I never read them anymore to actually know.
16:25.54PM|awaylol
16:26.01Mexa_whatever then._.
16:26.15PM|awayI never read their stuff either
16:26.25PM|awayBut I keep track of where my tutorials are linked through google
16:26.32Mexa_PM, you could probably ask Mephs about alot of things
16:26.34PM|awayand I'll find new sites that take them and post them on their sites
16:26.53PM|awaylol
16:26.54Mexa_Or others, but I don't know their names in particular .-.
16:27.00PM|awayThis is an in general thing
16:27.05PM|awayI'm aware of the data specialists
16:27.23PM|awayBut this is less about learning HOW to do it and more about wondering if anyone has toyed with a concept I'm working on
16:27.40PM|awayJust to save me time rather than tinkering it until it begs for mercy
16:27.54burne-PFFFFFF
16:27.58burne-after all the work
16:28.03burne-I didnt get anything done :(
16:28.08Mexa_Takes you more time to wait for a reply, most likely.
16:28.11JademusSregHaha
16:28.15doitethis is the next free to play ill try
16:28.15doitehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVldKhV3hdc&feature=fvwrel
16:28.19PM|awaySorta
16:28.23PM|awayI just spam a line then work some more
16:28.26PM|awayNot really waiting lol
16:29.02JademusSregdoite, are you here to advertise free to play MMOs?
16:29.24doiteehm.. no
16:29.24burne-arrrrrrrrrrgh
16:29.26Mexa_I guess I should be pretending to go asleep again. But I really should...
16:29.28Mexa_Seeya
16:29.30burne-I cannot change mover with catalog field?
16:29.36JademusSregSure Mexa.
16:29.37burne-it only allows to change for player not unit?!?!
16:29.42JademusSregSee you in like 20 minutes.
16:29.49Mexa_lol
16:29.55Mexa_Probably true
16:30.04burne-uaaaaaaaaaaaaaar
16:31.10burne-again I ask
16:31.15burne-is there a way to replace mover of a unit?=
16:33.43JademusSregDo you need to be able to give it any arbitrary mover or does it need to alternate between, say, 2 movers?
16:36.28burne-i guess its fine if I just use 2 movers
16:36.31burne-fly and ground
16:36.37JademusSregMorph
16:37.11burne-aww something that complicated
16:37.40JademusSregYour response tickles my cruelty-secreting glands.
16:38.24burne-well dunno if it would suit my purpose
16:39.43JademusSregYou asked, I answered.
16:39.48JademusSregMorph will work.
16:41.19burne-is morph ability or effect?
16:41.25JademusSregAbility.
16:42.04Mexa_awesome! I successfully installed and played rollercoaster tycoon on windows 7 :D
16:42.24JademusSregCongrats. It's all the more impressive that you've done this while sleeping.
16:42.26burne-hmmh I guess it could work but I just need again extra work
16:42.31burne-I guess its enough mapping for today
16:42.33Mexa_haha jade :p
16:42.36burne-didnt get anything done really
16:42.59JademusSregHaha
16:44.14Mexa_Jademus, I was actually thinking to work on my dialog toolkit app today... but i'm not sure I can handle managed cli/c++ combined with unmamaged c++ today <.<
16:44.33burne-so ugh
16:44.37burne-I need to create new unit
16:44.40burne-just for the mover stuff
16:44.42burne--_-
16:44.47burne-daaaaamn i hate editor
16:44.56JademusSregWell, you either do it or don't. =D
16:45.36Mexa_was that for me or burne?
16:45.39Mexa_It fits on both
16:45.40JademusSregBoth.
16:45.40Mexa_lol
16:46.11Mexa_herpaderp, maybe later on tonight. I should sleep, my headache isn't gone z.a<
16:46.36Mexa_... seeya soon
16:47.29JademusSregThere's no dignity is griping about what needs to be done. Get it done or don't bother, either way talking about it is a waste, and complaining is worse. =D
16:48.14StewoxPM|away
16:48.23PM|awayyes?
16:48.23Stewoxdo you know how conjoined is working
16:48.30PM|awayerm
16:48.35PM|awayconjoined in what?
16:48.43Stewoxi tried to stik raven and nexus
16:48.48Stewoxbut it doesn't work yet
16:48.48burne-hmmm
16:48.50burne-MUAHAHHA
16:48.54Stewoxconjoined attachment
16:49.00JademusSregHahaha
16:49.01Stewoxterrain mod
16:49.03Stewoxbehaior
16:49.05burne-I got better idea (I think it will work)
16:49.06Stewoxbehavior
16:49.09JademusSregConjoined doesn't make them stick together.
16:49.15Stewoxi KNOW
16:49.15burne-I will just make movers for all units
16:49.18Stewoxthe health!
16:49.26StewoxPM knows what we discussed in great detail
16:49.28burne-and then swap them with catalog field
16:49.35burne-there wont be problem If I have enoug hmovers
16:49.36JademusSregStew, what did you set Radius?
16:49.39burne-(maybe)
16:49.55Stewoxyes
16:49.56Stewox5
16:50.10Stewoxmaybe 5 is too less
16:50.12JademusSregAnd they were within 5 cells?
16:50.23JademusSregAnd they both had ther behavior?
16:50.37PM|awaySo you're wanting to use the conjoined behavior to share a health pool between the hardpoints?
16:50.40Stewoxi don't know how much is cells
16:50.52PM|awayturn on the grid on the terrain
16:50.58Stewoxi had raven fly around the nexus
16:50.58PM|awayeach square is 1
16:51.05Stewoxi know 1
16:51.08PM|awayso 5 would be 5 squares from the center of the nexus
16:51.18Stewoxis this on X or Z too
16:51.23Stewoxit doesn't take height and Z ?
16:51.30Stewoxonly depends on X radius ?
16:51.34StewoxX ... ground
16:51.37PM|awaySince a Nexus is 5x5? 6x6? Not sure the exact footprint offhand, but that's the same size as your radius
16:51.39StewoxXY
16:51.49PM|awayyou'll need 5 + X to be the desired radius
16:51.54PM|awayand Conjoined does't use Z
16:51.58PM|awayit's X/Y only as you assumed
16:52.05Stewoxyeah
16:52.19Stewoxcause i have a map with base height 80
16:52.26Stewoxbut i tried different heights
16:52.36Stewoxand doesn't seem to work form what i done
16:52.46Stewoxi made the new behavor
16:52.51Stewoxand applied to both units
16:52.53Stewoxthat's it
16:53.18PM|awaySet the radius to 100
16:53.21PM|awaysee if that changes anything
16:53.32PM|awayif so, then you'll need to stick with a mapwide radius
16:53.37JademusSregThe units need to come within the radius of one another. Like setting the Raven on the Nexus initially, for example.
16:54.07JademusSreg(For radius 5, of course. Radius 100 clearly wouldn't need that.)
16:54.59JademusSregAnyway, this still isn't a good idea for hardpoints as I mentioned before, since they share vitals.
16:55.06JademusSregLife, rather.
16:55.14Stewoxwell you said your self
16:55.17JademusSregThey don't evne share shields comically enough.
16:55.22Stewoxtry this i don't know how it's working
16:55.26Stewoxyou said i should try it
16:56.59Stewoxwell i should stop making this waste of time
16:57.17Stewoxlet's go to hardpoints as i explained to PM
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17:02.16Stewoxis there anything
17:02.25Stewoxi can set base height without movin the terran
17:03.22Stewoxso terrain will stay below between 0-80 and the base height would be considered 80 so structures aren't glued to the ground buy appear on certain point
17:03.30Stewoxor i will have to offset by using Z
17:08.27Stewoxhello
17:15.20burne-hello
17:16.12StewoxPM|away
17:16.32Stewoxwhat would be "set melee options for all players"
17:16.35PM|awayFor all units?
17:16.35Stewoxwhat does this do
17:16.45Stewoxtrigger
17:16.55Stewoxiniti
17:16.58Stewoxofficial trigger
17:18.16Stewoxofifical trigger
17:18.23Stewoxmap init
17:18.27Stewoxmelee
17:18.39Stewoxwhat does the last of them do
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17:19.22StewoxJademussreg
17:19.40Stewoxwhat does melee trigger "set default options for all player do"
17:20.18Stewoxdoes it set the melee balance from LibertyMulti ?
17:20.20Stewoxor hwat
17:20.33StewoxBlub\w
17:20.42Stewoxwhat does melee trigger "set default options for all player" do ?
17:20.46Stewoxbounty
17:20.48Stewoxa1wind
17:20.51Bounty?
17:20.56Stewoxwhat does melee trigger "set default options for all player" do ?
17:21.26PM|awayI think it just sets up your typical Multiplayer game
17:21.38Stewoxwhat exactly ?
17:21.50Stewoxdoes it say somewhere ?
17:22.16Stewoxno
17:22.31Stewoxokay im deleting it then , doesn't seem important
17:25.08Mexa_As long as your map isn't a melee map, I'd delete the default trigger.
17:28.27Stewoxthere are 4 of them
17:28.32Stewoxwhat does the last one do
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17:30.25Mexa_it enables victory, defeat and reveal settings for all players.
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17:31.24Mexa_They are pretty much end conditions of the game
17:32.09Mexa_I suppose the reveal is for the time you lose your base and is being revealed.
17:34.58Mexa_lols http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVvx-01DlSU
17:37.21burne-my hand is a dolphin t shirt could be quite awesome
17:37.50Mexa_OMFG
17:37.55Mexa_I heard noises outside the window
17:37.58burne-buuuuuut i have to go
17:37.59burne-cya
17:38.01burne-its time
17:38.02Mexa_Seeya
17:39.02Mexa_.. and a fucking bird scared me
17:39.17Mexa_it was sitting right outside on the window panel
17:39.37Mexa_And then its head popped up, and then it flyed away
17:39.43Mexa_I almost got a heart attack <.<
17:55.53Mexa_http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/TeamLiquidTV 5 minutes folks :)
18:03.35Mexa_JademusSreg, stream has started :)
18:05.08Bountytrawlawlawl
18:05.28Mexa_derpherpderp
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18:24.40Stewoxso
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18:24.51Stewoxanyone knows ho w to do attahcments
18:32.40JademusSregBack.
18:32.45JademusSregI went to the park with my girls.
18:36.32Mexa_Aha
18:36.32Mexa_nice
18:36.36Mexa_You didn't miss a thing yet
18:36.47Mexa_The first match is about to start
18:36.56JademusSregExcellent.
18:37.30JademusSregLink?
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18:37.52Dresnia~seen Nash|327
18:37.55purlnash|327 <~nn@81-234-225-23-no35.tbcn.telia.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 2d 15h 5s ago, saying: 'stabilizer medpacks'.
18:38.14Dresnia2d15h my ass :/
18:38.19Mexa_'Jademus, http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/TeamLiquidTV
18:38.23Mexa_As posted above ,.,
18:38.26JademusSregGood.
18:38.26Mexa_*.-.
18:38.30JademusSregI hear day9.
18:38.35JademusSregThat voice is distinct.
18:38.56Dresnia41k vieuwers
18:38.59Dresniawe need more !
18:39.00Dresniarofl
18:39.13JademusSregThe booming voice of a confident game nerd. <3
18:39.13Mexa_day9 and djWEATH
18:39.27Mexa_no wait
18:39.29DresniaDay9 ftw really
18:39.32Mexa_I meant to say Chill
18:39.36Mexa_Day9 and Chill
18:40.24Stewoxhow come TSL is free
18:40.27Stewoxand gomTV not
18:40.38Stewoxblizzard deosn't charge anything for teamliquid ?
18:40.39JademusSregTSL is community driven.
18:40.56Stewoxyes but they have license to broadcast ?
18:41.00Stewoxor what
18:41.10JademusSregGSL is Blizzard's shebang.
18:41.18Stewoxem
18:41.22DresniaBadumtish
18:41.31Stewoxthis means TSL is paid by the community so it's free for everyone
18:41.33Stewoxor what
18:41.43DresniaSponorships ?
18:41.44Mexa_It's up to the caster to decide the cost?
18:41.46JademusSregTSL is sponsered by PokeStrategy.
18:41.53JademusSreg"PokeStrategy" haha
18:41.56JademusSregOoops
18:41.59Mexa_lol
18:41.59Dresniapokes JademusSreg !
18:42.05Mexa_What abouot nasl?
18:42.18Mexa_And ESL?
18:42.28JademusSregAnyway, it's sponsered, but completely community driven. GSL is top-down organized by Blizzard.
18:42.36Mexa_really?
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18:43.06Mexa_ah yeah
18:43.10Mexa_Read on wikipedia :3
18:43.14JademusSregNASL, well, I don't know anything about NASL, to be honest.
18:43.19Mexa_It's hosted by Blizzard and GomTV
18:44.11DresniaReally, if Day9 poops you can read 'sc2' in his poop
18:44.18JademusSregYup.
18:44.21Mexa_"The NASL was developed by Russ Pfister, owner of the video-game coaching website Gosucoaching"
18:44.24JademusSregLove day9 commentary.
18:44.40JademusSregEven his idiosyncratic speech mannerisms.
18:44.41Mexa_And the wiki is not mentioning Blizzard sponsoring or hosting
18:44.52Mexa_so I guess it is driven from another way too
18:45.35JademusSreg10 minutes in and wow they are rolling well.
18:45.51Mexa_go swedes^^
18:46.05DresniaThis beats watching stupid borin soccer games
18:46.37Mexa_I guess I could have been watching the hockey world cup final sweden vs finland
18:46.50Mexa_But I guess two sc2 players, both from sweden are much more interesting
18:46.53DresniaDoes Day9 cast it ?
18:47.00Mexa_hockey?
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18:47.08Dresnianevermind :-D
18:47.12JademusSregDay9's commentary is greaty.
18:47.22Mexa_Day9 and Chill is casting on the match now.
18:47.37Cronoswhats the link to it
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18:48.02DresniaYea you already told us so Mexa_ :P
18:48.06JademusSreghttp://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/TeamLiquidTV
18:48.22JademusSregThorZain has a tenuous lead.
18:48.27DresniaI ment, as a Day9 fanboy, who the fuck cares on Hockey if he aint casting it :P
18:48.28Cronosty
18:48.59Mexa_Dresnia, right ;p I don't really follow hockey that much anyways
18:49.04JademusSregStarcraft 2 melee league viewing is the closest I've ever been to being a sports fan.
18:49.16DresniaExactly Jade :)
18:49.17Mexa_In fact, I only knew the finals were today as of yesterday.
18:49.23DresniaI never watched any sport on tv
18:49.32DresniaMaybe some F1 now and then for 5minutes for the sounds
18:49.48JademusSregI literally could not care less about physical sports if I made a concentrated effort.
18:49.55Mexa_I'd watch more sports on tv with my family if I was homehome perhaps
18:49.59Mexa_But since I'm not
18:50.07Cronosgogo probes lol
18:50.09JademusSregI figured Nani would break the contain.
18:50.10Mexa_Oh damn he broke the contain
18:50.11JademusSregHahaha
18:50.13DresniaIf you Naniwa's picture you really get this feeling of a serial killer
18:50.32Mexa_I'm not sure who I am thinking shall win
18:50.51JademusSregThorZain still has lead.
18:50.52Mexa_I think ThorZain though, but I have no real favorite, so I'll just enjoy the good show :D
18:50.57JademusSregLike I said, tenuous.
18:51.09Mexa_uh oh wow
18:51.28JademusSregHAhaha
18:51.29DresniaThe issue that I find in EU football / Tennis / Golf or shit is, you walk to a round object too hit/kick/throw it as far as you can towards point A
18:51.30Mexa_pewpew
18:51.38JademusSregUsing probes, wahaha
18:52.10DresniaNaniwa look at his face
18:52.12Dresniait really says
18:52.18Mexa_If this gets up to 3-3 it's going to be great!
18:52.20DresniaI'll cut you open and eat you raw
18:52.28Mexa_But probably great anyway
18:52.40JademusSregHow many rounds do they play?
18:52.41DresniaThe break is like 5min now ?
18:52.47Mexa_best of 7
18:52.51JademusSregNice.
18:52.59JademusSregHow many matches tonight?
18:53.02Mexa_all
18:53.08Dresnia7 maps in 'center' so makes sense
18:53.14JademusSregMatches, as in X vs Y.
18:53.18Mexa_oh
18:53.21Mexa_This is the final
18:53.26Mexa_so, only 1 match
18:53.28Mexa_and 7 rounds
18:53.30JademusSregAh, hahaha
18:53.32DresniaYeah I think I heard it's final in this game
18:53.37DresniaFOCUS JADE FOCUS !
18:53.43Mexa_The bronze was yesterday too :>
18:53.43JademusSregNo, I refuse!
18:54.13DresniaSilence ?
18:54.14Dresniaor lag
18:54.18JademusSregNASL is up too, is that from last night?
18:54.33Mexa_yeah
18:54.37JademusSregBAH
18:54.44Mexa_It's a replay for us europeans;)
18:54.52JademusSregI might watch it after TSL.
18:54.54DresniaHow long is this break Mexa_ ?
18:55.03Mexa_short
18:55.11Mexa_10seconds more
18:55.12Mexa_or so
18:55.15Dresniaoh ok
18:55.18Mexa_:)
18:55.37DresniaWas it 15k $ or 50k $ this final
18:55.38Mexa_there we go
18:55.46JademusSreg15k
18:56.04JademusSregThat's what I heard at least.
18:56.06DresniaI wonder how their parents think of it if they win haha
18:56.20DresniaI mean, to get this high they really need to play ALOT and skip other stuff
18:56.30Mexa_Who knows.
18:56.34DresniaSo how would you feel as a parent if that 'loser upstairs' all of a sudden wins 15k lol
18:56.56JademusSregI don't wonder, but it illuminates a bit of how your own mind works that you wonder such things, Dres. =D
18:57.37DresniaWell let's say I used to be the 'loser upstairs' kid :(
18:57.59Dresnia2months after leaving my Arena team Nihilium picked it up and money got in
18:58.14DresniaAnd I saw people earning loads that I knew I could beat rather smooth >_>
18:58.37JademusSregAnd you didn't go back because?
18:58.58Dresniacrazy dad, gf, job
19:01.58JademusSregWe make our choices and must stand by them. =D
19:02.19Dresniayup
19:02.28DresniaI don't regret it or shit tho and I mean
19:02.40Dresniait's easy to say afterwards 'yeah I would have won it' or stuff
19:02.46Stewoxwhat is partially matching text string ?
19:02.51Stewoxcase ?
19:03.05StewoxPaRtIaLLy
19:03.12JademusSregOnly reason to feel ashamed about our choices is if one acquiesces to the will of others, sublimating our own.
19:03.26Mephsyea i hate sublimating bitches
19:03.44Stewoxanyone
19:04.01JademusSregWhat Stew?
19:04.07DresniaJademusSreg I've been a 'online' guy for 10 years now
19:04.13DresniaYour the first guy I have issues with
19:04.21DresniaReading this 'high-end' english usage :-(
19:04.28JademusSregWahaha
19:04.35PM|awayXp
19:04.41JademusSregI just type how I talk, fuck.
19:04.52PM|awayHe's got the average vocab of an educated person, that's why lol
19:05.11PM|awayWe're all unedumacated
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19:05.17DresniaI'm dutch though, and not that much educated causse this isn't usa :P
19:05.30MephsUSA is best education
19:05.35PM|awaylol
19:05.37PM|awayNot even close
19:05.43PM|awayJapan has one of the best education systems
19:05.48PM|awayours. . . sucks. . . badly. . .
19:05.59Mephshow can you be so unpatriotic
19:06.11Mephswhy dont you move to canada, they still drink milk from bags.  the uncivilized fucks
19:06.18PM|awayBecause I'm impartial.  I don't say "Yay go USA" just because I was born here
19:06.31Mephsyou just aren't american enough then
19:06.34DresniaI've got no clue but it looks rather standard through movies etc that USA people go to school longer
19:06.34PM|awaylol
19:06.38Dresnialike 'HARVARD111'
19:06.51PM|awayThat may be, but at least I'm not going to go to war because someone "offended" my patriotism
19:06.58PM|awayI'd go to war for valid reasons
19:07.03PM|awayLike zomg they dropped a nuke on us
19:07.09Mephsi'd go to war because they have oil and i want it
19:07.20PM|awayWhich makes you a capitalist pigdog
19:07.28MephsUSA, USA!
19:07.32DresniaFUCK YEAH
19:08.08Dresniahaha Naniwa
19:08.14Dresniawhat a nasty move
19:08.26PM|awayHe's going to lose now
19:08.28PM|awaywhatever it is he did
19:08.50Dresnia??
19:09.06PM|awayNo clue what you're watching
19:09.31Dresnia..
19:10.15Stewoxwhat is partially matching text string ?
19:10.31Dresniaeeerm
19:10.32Dresnialike
19:10.35Stewoxnot case sesetive ?
19:10.38Dresniayou search for a word in a line
19:10.46DresniaStewox is my friend
19:10.51Dresniaif you search 'Stewox'
19:10.53Dresniait finds it
19:10.59Dresniaeven if I say Stewox is my hero
19:11.10Dresnia1-1 coolios
19:11.19Stewoxah so exactly
19:11.28Stewoxit must be the only word in a line
19:11.31Stewoxper chat
19:11.33Stewoxokay
19:11.43Dresniasort off yeah
19:11.52DresniaI never booted Triggers / Data in SC2
19:11.58DresniaSo don't take my info for serious
19:12.02JademusSregUS public education: http://video.adultswim.com/squidbillies/one-more-story-daddy.html
19:12.42Dresniamore 30second adds all over the internet please
19:13.08DresniaI can't see your video
19:13.12DresniaAMERICA FUCK YEAH
19:15.04DresniaTeamLiquid got 10points
19:15.06Dresniahah.
19:15.56Stewoxcan SC2 print text only for a certain player
19:16.01JademusSregYes.
19:16.05Stewoxon screen
19:16.11Stewoxanyhwere ?
19:16.12JademusSregYes.
19:16.17JademusSregFor a given frame.
19:16.19Stewoxpreferably the debug area
19:16.21Mexa_PM|away we're watching TSL3
19:16.27JademusSregOr as a dialog item label.
19:16.39Stewoxok
19:16.39PM|awayah fun
19:20.07DresniaMexa_ watch closely
19:20.13DresniaI'll give you a rematch after these !
19:23.59BountyNew Video for Project Avatars :)
19:23.59Bountyhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9pzPV4FxOY
19:24.55Mexa_Dresnia, no thanks
19:24.55Mexa_<.<
19:24.59JademusSregHaha
19:25.10JademusSregBounty, still need to fix those label colors.
19:25.17Bountylol
19:25.18Bountyi know
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19:25.29Mexa_I still have a headache, and I turned my sleeping schedule too much, so today I am going to sleep right after this
19:26.13Mexa_I hope
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19:30.07Dresniasick unit combo
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19:30.57Mexa__derp
19:31.56JademusSregIf ThorZain doesn't score this match, it's gonna look sad.
19:32.11JademusSreg*this game
19:33.07Stewoxjademussreg
19:33.11JademusSreg?
19:33.18Stewoxconjoined is hardly working
19:33.27Stewoxso ... i don't need that anyways
19:33.30JademusSregHahaha
19:33.47JademusSregWell, I figured it wouldn't be very useful.
19:33.55JademusSregBut it does work if you're doing it correctly.
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19:35.19JademusSregThe relationship between the hardpoints and base unit really should be scripted, though.
19:35.34JademusSregThere's no elegant data solution.
19:37.25DresniaJademusSreg when you anouncing your new project ?
19:37.42JademusSregWhen it's more than a design-in-progress.
19:37.45Stewox_okay so what im asking -- is really hard to explain ?
19:38.02JademusSregI tend not to announce shit prematurely.
19:38.28DresniaNot even a pointer wich gamestyle its going to be like ?
19:39.19JademusSregWho wants to be the tard that says "hi guys i've got an original idea i need help i need teaam to help make it but you'll like is so good original revolution"?
19:39.28Bountylolol
19:39.47Bountyi prefer to go the hype route
19:39.50Bountyobviously
19:39.58JademusSregOnly thing worse than hyping a shitty project is hyping a shitty project you can't even finish. =D
19:40.14DresniaYeah but your more the guy who already proven something so might aswell say what's it about a little bit
19:40.21JademusSregNope.
19:40.24BountySo now my project is shitty Jademus?
19:40.27Dresnia90% of all projects never get finished
19:40.32JademusSregNot talking about you Bounty.
19:40.39BountyGood, i was about to throw down
19:40.43Bounty<PROTECTED>
19:40.43Bounty=P
19:40.56JademusSregI'm just not gonna talk about something until I have something worth talking about.
19:41.26BountyHope people like the new Avatar video
19:41.36Dresniare-link it bounty
19:41.42DresniaI didn't click it
19:41.44Bountyhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9pzPV4FxOY
19:42.40Bountyhis mechanic is built directly into his abilities
19:43.02DresniaI'm still so unsure on the WASD movement for online though
19:43.20Bountywell i think i alrdy gave everyone a good idea of how it performs
19:43.36Bountyit has the same delay as a ability that fires a trigger does
19:43.46Bountywhich is completely dealable
19:43.55Bountyno keypress events
19:44.06DresniaWell I guess for a 'fight' game its ok
19:44.16DresniaI just hope in a few patches it gets really good
19:44.28Bountythe only game i couldnt see it working for is a rhythm game
19:44.30DresniaSo we can see some decent TPS options and new other stuff
19:44.42Bountyit would work for TPS
19:44.45Stewox_what the heck is this supposed to be
19:44.48Bountythe MOVEMENT would
19:44.49Dresnia3-1 :OO
19:44.53Bountyi dont know about clicking
19:44.55JademusSregDaaamn.
19:45.11DresniaStalker push is so hard to counter as a teching Terran
19:45.17Dresniahappend to me gazillion times
19:45.31DresniaTanks only get viable once opend and if you got 6-8
19:45.38Dresniaelse the dmg is just too slow to cut it off
19:45.42Stewox_how can they be scripted
19:45.48Stewox_the units don't exist
19:45.54Stewox_can something be scripted for future ?
19:46.01JademusSregHaha, Stew.
19:46.06Stewox_the game will respawn them
19:46.17Stewox_what the fuck man im all day and didn't do shit today
19:46.33Stewox_how can i suppose to actually learn this
19:46.41Stewox_reading 5 hours of tuts
19:46.43JademusSregI need to explain how to script it?
19:46.43Stewox_meh
19:46.49Stewox_no
19:46.59DresniaDon't read tutorials is the best way too learn
19:47.04Stewox_but i can't make something if i don't know if it's possible
19:47.11DresniaJust do it, if you get stuck, try too pass it, if not, ask people
19:47.21JademusSregPrototyping. Get an idea, try to make it work.
19:47.22Stewox_well
19:47.30Stewox_i have an idea
19:47.33JademusSregI have dozens of maps just for prototyping ideas.
19:47.39Stewox_but the tuts don't talk about this ...
19:47.53DresniaThen ask what you want to know if its doable clearly
19:48.10Stewox_so that means i'll have to tell everything out then
19:48.11Stewox_:)
19:48.12DresniaInstead of asking the question in 5 lines spreaded out through this channel over a time of 15minutes
19:48.28JademusSregUse a unit group to track hardpoints.
19:48.42JademusSregWhen a unit dies, if it's in the unit group, remove it, then check if unitgroup is empty.
19:48.47JademusSregIf empty, kill the base unit.
19:48.51JademusSregSimple.
19:49.38Stewox_okay
19:50.56Stewox_emm
19:51.24JademusSregI thought you've worked with an event-driven language before in your previous mod experience. This should be intuitive.
19:52.05JademusSregYou read the native API, get a sense of what can be done, then pch00000 off like a rocket into an infinite sky of modding possibilities.
19:52.08DresniaOh btw Jade, any progress on Photon update ?
19:52.15JademusSregYep, Dres.
19:52.20JademusSregI've been doing stuff.
19:52.26DresniaLooking forward to more options really.
19:52.40JademusSregIt's gonna take longer than I expected.
19:52.47Stewox_well yeah
19:52.54JademusSregMostly because I'm damn busy.
19:53.02Stewox_<PROTECTED>
19:53.03JademusSregBut it will get done.
19:53.07DresniaDue real life you mean then
19:53.07Stewox_i will break the air
19:53.10Stewox_and show it
19:53.31DresniaIf you don't know i is a letter and I is a word
19:53.36DresniaI doubt you could break your air
19:54.34DresniaMinerals are running way too high for ThorZain imo
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19:58.21PM|awayJade
19:58.24JademusSreg?
19:58.24PM|awaywtf are you making anyways?
19:58.33PM|away<-- doesn't really pay attention lol
19:58.41JademusSregI'm working on a Photon Cycles update.
19:58.47PM|awayWell, unless it's in the news and I have to troll it
19:58.48JademusSregNothing important.
19:58.52PM|awayHave a vid or anything?
19:58.57JademusSregYep.
19:58.59PM|awaylinky
19:59.17JademusSreghttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNO0lQaBGhw
19:59.20JademusSregOld video.
19:59.31JademusSregBut the core gameplay is still the same.
20:00.25PM|awayAre you able to move through the gaps?
20:00.28JademusSregYes.
20:00.39JademusSregThere will be a no gaps option with this next update.
20:00.45DresniaThat's the 'hard/fun' part really
20:00.50JademusSregFor people who enjoy partitioning.
20:00.59DresniaCausse sometimes you really need too pass through 6-7 lines
20:01.49DresniaMaybe you could increase the speed on boost a bit in some mode Jade
20:02.02PM|awayLooks shnazzy
20:02.07DresniaOr just like a 'hyper mode'
20:02.07PM|awayIs that in game music?
20:02.13JademusSregLudicrous Speed option is already planned.
20:02.14DresniaOveral speed + and a boost + +
20:02.26DresniaAh, great. Would be fun 1on1 with a buddy I guess :-)
20:02.33JademusSregNot in game music, unfortunately. Goddamn size limits and upload timeouts prevent me from doing music at this time.
20:02.45PM|awayWas just wondering, since that music was pretty epic ;P
20:03.05JademusSregYeah, it's from one of the Homestuck albums.
20:03.13JademusSregSo perfectly suited.
20:05.56DresniaAny odds for a elevation based map ?
20:06.04DresniaPerhaps even with elevation changing
20:06.26JademusSregThat track is commercially licensed, so I don't think I should use it. I have 8 tracks that allow non-commercial redistribution, 6 of which are pretty good. But with ogg running at ~1MB per minute, 6 tracks would require about 3 mod dependencies to work, provided the upload doesn't time out.
20:06.59JademusSregNaw, Dres, that would require some monumental scripting, not even worth it.
20:07.02DresniaCan't you shrink it to some sc2 readable file somewhere
20:07.19JademusSregogg is the audio format sc2 uses.
20:08.16DresniaOh, right. Misreaded it there. :(
20:08.31DresniaI'm just here too try and help people but I barely got any expierince so :P
20:08.40JademusSregHah.
20:09.04DresniaAnd thereby I learn quite a bunch too + gave out some good ideas I guess
20:10.01DresniaImo if I was playing TSL3 thingy I would give 1k off the price money to the loser
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20:18.17JademusSregNice repel.
20:21.15DresniaAmazing games
20:21.30DresniaGotta respect ThorZain comming back from that 3-1 really
20:21.58Stewox_jademussreg
20:22.01JademusSreg?
20:23.10Stewox_hardpoints like this
20:23.14Stewox_http://www.shrani.si/f/3A/HC/1SMH6mZF/hardpoints.jpg
20:23.21Stewox_http://pastebin.com/jjUGznDH
20:24.10JademusSregI have no confusion over the nature of a hardpoint.
20:28.42JademusSregThis lag is ridiculous, hahaha.
20:31.10DresniaI don't get it I really only disconnect if my provider does maintenance :/
20:31.15DresniaHow do people get such issues
20:35.00DresniaNaniwa is pissed :P
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20:44.15DresniaDay9's gonna die from a heart attack anytime now
20:44.16Dresnialol
20:44.53JademusSregLovely.
20:45.52DresniaThat was some entertainment :)
20:46.13DresniaI think he kinda force field blocked his own zealots at the last fight
20:46.56Helral|Afkmeow
20:47.25PM|awaywoof
20:47.52Helral|Afkthought you're away PM
20:48.52Kuekenthought you are afk, kittun
20:49.04PM|away^^
20:49.05Helral|AfkI am ;p
20:49.15PM|awayNoMe
20:49.17Helral|AfkI'm away from the keyboard at work. cause I'm at home
20:49.32Nash|327kittuns?
20:49.47Kuekenafk kittuns
20:49.53Kuekenthats a new species
20:50.05Nash|327lies
20:50.14PM|awayfalses
20:50.31Helral|Afkmeowses
20:50.45PassivePicassoanyone who puts ban capabilities in their maps, should be shot
20:50.56Helral|Afkyou got banned?
20:51.01PassivePicassoyeah
20:51.04JademusSregHahaha
20:51.04Helral|Afklol
20:51.07PassivePicassofor not playing good enough
20:51.08PassivePicassoheh
20:51.10PassivePicassoshrugs
20:51.17PassivePicassonews flash, its a game...
20:51.18Nash|327I put kickvote in my map
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20:51.32JademusSregCan't really ban.
20:51.39Kuekenban is kinda stupid considering the popularity list :D
20:51.39JademusSregIf it saves it to a bank, delete the bank.
20:52.02Kuekenyou can always make a global viral spread shitlist
20:52.11Kuekennot 100% accurate
20:52.14Kuekenbut works
20:52.20Helral|Afk*off to play Mafia*
20:52.21Helral|Afk;p
20:52.21JademusSregHaha.
20:52.56JademusSregIf there mod manually bans people, sure. The problem is that since you can't compare text content, you can't really ban.
20:52.58Nash|327but you can't compare player names to stuff :G
20:53.11JademusSreg*If the moderator
20:53.45Nash|327kickvote is good enough
20:54.08PM|awaygah
20:54.20PM|awaysomehow I stumbled onto a SotIS thread
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20:54.24PM|awayMakes me want to stab my eyes out
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21:15.47MephsSOTIS IS AWESOME UR JUST MAD CUZ YOU ARNT GUD AT IT LIKE ME
21:16.20Xaragothfunny note
21:16.23XaragothI got a ban from LoL
21:16.26Xaragothbecause I took a shit
21:16.30Mephslol
21:16.33Xaragothand had a bluescreen in the following game
21:16.42DresniaThat's shit :(
21:16.43Xaragothcan't help it when people SURRENDER WHILE PEOPLE TAKE A SHIT
21:16.44XaragothxD
21:16.52SentryIIII am now a fan of Thorzain.
21:16.54XaragothThe system is really bad =)
21:16.55SentryIIIxD
21:16.55Mephsyou horrible shitter
21:16.59Mephshow could you shit
21:17.10Xaragothor should we say the system shits on shitting?
21:17.30Mephssomeone reported me in a game for buying an item he didn't agree with
21:17.42Xaragothlol
21:17.49Mephsit wasn't even a bad item for that char
21:18.00Xaragoththat's what you get for using a horrible community like the one from dota
21:18.00Xaragoth^
21:18.26Mephsyou can actually report someone for "bad skill"
21:18.32Xaragothye
21:18.34Mephstheres a drop down menu for reporting reasons, and that is one of them
21:18.44XaragothI laughed really hard at that
21:19.03XaragothI can see why they want to punish people who would just afk during the whole game, to get exp & points
21:19.06Nash|327retarded
21:19.23Xaragothbut they're doing it pretty much wrong
21:19.44Xaragothwould be better to flag people afk and you can vote-kick them. giving the team a buff that compensates for the lack of a player and some bonus rewards
21:19.47Xaragothand the other guy gets nothing
21:19.52XaragothAT ALL
21:19.53Xaragoth:p
21:20.10JademusSregThat would be abused as hell.
21:20.38Xaragothwell, better than to ban people for taking a shit
21:21.01JademusSregHilarious.
21:21.08Xaragothquite
21:21.15Nash|327auto-kick for AFK
21:21.20JademusSregCan't imagine wnating to play a game that would ban for shitting.
21:21.33Xaragothit's not that the game is bad
21:21.43Xaragothit's just the the devs seem to be a bunch of scrubs or dropouts
21:21.44Xaragoth:p
21:22.03Nash|327dude shitting is for noobs
21:22.04JademusSregFrom what I've read aobut LoL metagame bullshit, I'm not interested.
21:22.14Nash|327real pros sit on a potty
21:22.22DresniaI don't get the idea behind this DOTA/LoL hype either
21:22.35XaragothWell, I just really like AoS
21:22.37Dresniakiting back and forth whole game untill one of you looks away a second
21:22.40DresniaAMAZING
21:22.42XaragothI don't mind which one I'm playing
21:23.00XaragothThough... WC3 has better AoS than DotA for sure
21:23.03XaragothTides of Blood for one
21:23.28XaragothDotA just was the only one that actually got supported the whole way, while the other maps were abandoned ^^
21:23.34PassivePicassoDota is crap
21:23.41XaragothI blame a lack of money for WoW in the DotA case :p
21:23.51Nash|327doesn't DotA involve a bunch of AI garbage?
21:24.29XaragothDefine "Garbage"
21:24.38Nash|327AI.
21:24.44XaragothAlso, if I want a decently balanced Arena, I'll play Bloodlines.
21:25.00XaragothIt's just that people like the whole OP shit a bit too much instead of fighting good, balanced battles >>
21:25.05XaragothMaybe compensation?
21:25.19JademusSregUnlocks via a persistent metagame experience system is bullshit. I don't give a fuck if every triple-A title does it like Call of Duty or C&C4 (laugh), it's there for grind and it unbalances the game.
21:25.23XaragothLike Rocketlaunchers in FPS?
21:25.36Mephsdota appeals to players who suck at everything
21:25.45Mephsbecause every 1 in X games even shitty players will go on a domination spree
21:25.51Mephsand the games snowball out of control
21:25.57JademusSregSrsly
21:25.58Xaragothye
21:26.02Xaragothit's kinda fun
21:26.07Xaragothone of my pals is lvl 30 in lol
21:26.15Mephsthere is some skill to it, but its more on the decision making and strategy level
21:26.17Xaragothmeaning, we get 20+ guys or one 30 as enemies
21:26.38Mephsmore like an RTS kind of skill
21:26.40Xaragothimagine my little level 5 summoner account when I have to go up against a guy that starts out with A LOT BETTER STATS
21:26.51Nash|327time-based advantages = shite for competitive game
21:26.58Nash|327as is AI controlled stuff
21:27.02JademusSregEggsaktory.
21:27.04Xaragothjup
21:27.07Xaragothto be honest
21:27.10Xaragoththe best approach is just
21:27.13Xaragothhere are free heroes
21:27.15Xaragothplay for points
21:27.18Xaragothget your fun heroes
21:27.20Xaragothso we make money
21:27.22Xaragothand the game is balanced
21:27.32Xaragoththough
21:27.39Xaragothwith all the item stacking in lol, hon & dota
21:27.42Xaragoththat is still a far shot
21:27.43Xaragothxd
21:28.07DresniaAtleast WoW arena is balanced after 7 years
21:28.24Mephswat
21:29.49Xaragothgood joke.
21:29.50Dresniahttp://www.raywj.com/2011/05/15/most-elaborate-pot-growing-operation-evah/
21:29.54Dresniaoh my god lol
21:30.01PM|awayI play LoL
21:30.01Dresniathat is amazingly organised
21:30.06PM|awayIt's decent
21:30.57DresniaYour opinion is invalid
21:31.39Xaragoththey failed on the power supply
21:31.40Xaragothidiots
21:31.42PM|awayrofl
21:31.44PM|awayI just read that
21:31.51Mephsyowza
21:32.09PM|awayI'm surprised they didnt' completely isolate themselves from everyone
21:33.59PM|awaybtw
21:34.02PM|awayI would rape you at LoL
21:34.04PM|awaycuz ur bad
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21:35.37Nash|327"cuz ur bad"
21:35.41Nash|327ugh
21:35.44Mephslol
21:36.05DresniaHow could you have any idea of my skill on a game I don't even bother playing ? :/
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21:36.24MephsO YEA?  WANNA 1v1?  ILL RAPE U
21:36.35Dresniahaha :)
21:36.48Mephseveryone you call out in that game
21:36.53Mephsthey act all pro and shit
21:36.59Mephsthen they feed, so you call 'em out and thats what they say
21:37.02Mephs"wanna 1v1?"
21:37.04Mephsderp
21:37.49Xaragoth1v1 in a game that is balanced around 5v5 lvl 30
21:38.01Mephsya
21:38.03XaragothI smell lack of brains
21:38.09Mephswelcome to dota
21:38.10DresniaAtleast WoW is balanced 1on1 after 7 years
21:38.18Mephs-_-
21:38.25JademusSregWakka wakka
21:38.31PM|awayI know you're bad because I just know
21:38.37PM|away9th sense
21:38.51DresniaWich one is your 6/7/8 then ?
21:39.00PM|away6th is jewdar (Gotta know where the money is)
21:39.08PM|away7th is Blizzard bugs
21:39.12DresniaYou should create a sense too realise your a retard
21:39.16DresniaMight be a handy one for once
21:39.19PM|awaylmao
21:39.24Dresnia:-D
21:39.25PM|awayI'm not retarded :(
21:39.26Dresnia<3
21:39.32PM|away8th is a mysterious sense I still haven't mastered
21:39.35PM|awayBut I know it's there. . .
21:39.37PM|awaysomewhere. . .
21:40.02XaragothMaybe your 8th sense will make you sound less bad
21:40.03Xaragoth:p
21:40.05A1winit's the sense of knowing you have hidden senses
21:40.12PM|awayGenius
21:40.14PM|awayI'll take it
21:40.21PM|awayAnd Xaragoth. . . go die
21:40.28PM|awayuralsobad
21:40.32JademusSregMetasense, a sense that senses senses
21:40.40A1winmakes sense
21:40.46PM|awayharharhar
21:40.46XaragothI fear that might tip the universal balance over to the "good" meter
21:40.47Dresniasensfull thinking
21:40.48Xaragothno can do
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21:42.16DresniaMephs
21:42.26Dresniawhat's the position off SC on NA ?
21:42.40Mephs2nd page
21:42.42Mephssomewhere in the middle
21:42.51Dresniagoing up or stable ?
21:42.57Mephsvaries
21:43.01Mephsit was close to the top of page 2 last night
21:43.12Mephsits been up and down pretty frequently
21:43.29DresniaI think once it hets bottom page 1
21:43.31UloseTheGamehey guys
21:43.34Dresniait would get up smooth
21:43.36UloseTheGameMephs
21:43.40PM|awaySmashcraft? (If I'm remembering yoru bad map correctly)
21:43.42UloseTheGamei need some inspiration
21:43.50UloseTheGamei want to make an original map concept
21:43.51Dresniashould be great too have a steady 1-5th spot
21:43.58Mephsyup
21:44.00UloseTheGamebut I can never think of anything flexible
21:44.02UloseTheGame:\
21:44.11UloseTheGamenothing i can build a game around
21:44.15DresniaMake a footmen map, that's unique
21:44.17UloseTheGamebecause i dont know what i want
21:44.24Dresniaor a TD !
21:44.40UloseTheGameThe only good idea i've ever had is improving on horrible map concepts
21:44.58UloseTheGameyou know what might be interesating?
21:45.01UloseTheGameDevolves
21:45.04UloseTheGame:D
21:45.09JademusSregMake each player play a different style of game.
21:45.13UloseTheGame`hmmm
21:45.16UloseTheGamethat would be cool
21:45.26PM|awayHonetsly
21:45.30PM|awayHonetsly even
21:45.31PM|awayffs
21:45.35PM|awayWhatever
21:45.36UloseTheGamewho are you?
21:45.37PM|awaytruthfully
21:45.55PM|awayThe best game you can make to start is one based upon games you like to play but are less popular
21:46.05PM|awayLike a good boardgame or an online arcade game you found on some site
21:46.10PM|awayone you really like and think would be a good port
21:46.11JademusSreg12 players supported, 2 for each type, Melee, TD, MOBA, Racing, Tug, Card, FPS, all on the same map space.
21:46.13UloseTheGameI've made tons of games
21:46.21UloseTheGamei know the editor like the back of my hand
21:46.31PM|away(I'm ProzaicMuze btw)
21:46.33UloseTheGameI dont need "maps to start"
21:46.37JademusSregCall it Clusterfucraft.
21:46.38PM|awayAnd I don't know any of your maps
21:46.46PM|awayWhat have you made?
21:46.48UloseTheGameBecause i never finish
21:46.53UloseTheGameim not a "big name"
21:46.54PM|awayXp
21:47.00PM|awayI don't care if you're a big name lol
21:47.08UloseTheGamei'm a good editor
21:47.08PM|awayBig names really arent' that big to me ;P
21:47.11UloseTheGamebut i lack inspiration
21:47.15PM|awayI'm just wondering if you've made anything I might have played or know
21:47.18Mephsthe only thing you need to do to make a popular map is remake a popular map from sc1
21:47.27UloseTheGameYou know what I need
21:47.36UloseTheGameI need inspiration
21:47.44UloseTheGamei dont have enough drive to make a piece of shit
21:47.46Mephsif y ou want to make a -good- map
21:47.46JademusSregClusterfucraft gogo
21:47.52PM|awayMaybe finish one of your maps first?
21:47.54Mephsexpect a lot of work
21:47.56PM|awaybefore trying to make another?
21:48.05Mephsmore in the promotion side
21:48.15Mephsbecause people won't just jump right into something they're not familiar with
21:48.28UloseTheGameThe only good idea i've ever had is UloseTheGame's Alternate Melee
21:48.44UloseTheGamei made techtrees and everythinfg
21:49.12UloseTheGameI also had an idea for an RPG, but i hate RPGS
21:49.17UloseTheGameso nogo on that one
21:49.35PM|awaylol
21:49.40PM|awayI direct you back to my original suggestion
21:49.46PM|awayeven if it's not your first map
21:49.47JademusSregEnough jest. What matters is that you develop the habit of finishing stuff you start. Seriously, finishing a fucking awful map is more important to your development than starting with a great idea for a map.
21:49.51DresniaMake a improved Colonial Line Wars
21:50.17Xaragothmake a new battle.net, that will give you work for ages
21:50.18Xaragoth:p
21:50.22JademusSregHaha
21:50.42UloseTheGameim too damn grandiose and self-cynical
21:50.54JademusSregExcuses.
21:50.58UloseTheGamei cant put my mind to something i see immediate flaws in and see no end too
21:51.15UloseTheGameim gonna try fleshing out a terrain
21:51.17Nash|327RPGs are AWESOME
21:52.22Xaragothlooks at UloseTheGame.
21:52.27XaragothPlease spare me the sight of it.
21:52.31JademusSregJust learning to finish is important all by itself. So either finish your projects or don't; the world will be no owrse a place without it.
21:52.33XaragothI might have to roast you on a fire.
21:52.38Xaragothalso
21:52.44Xaragothfinishing is important
21:52.46Mephs^
21:52.47Xaragothget a gf, she'll tell ye
21:52.48Xaragoth:p
21:52.50Nash|327FINISH HIM
21:52.58Mephsthen again
21:52.58JademusSregHaha
21:53.00Mephsyou're never finished
21:53.10Xaragothright
21:53.12Xaragothyou just run out of money
21:53.13XaragothxD
21:53.15Mephsi've been working on smash like nonstop since what
21:53.23Mephsfuckin
21:53.24SentryIIIAgreed with JademusSreg.
21:53.29Mephsaugust
21:53.33Mephsand its still nowhere near done
21:53.36JademusSregIf you make something -good- you'll be updating it in cycles for years.
21:54.04Nash|327kittuns
21:54.13SentryIIIEven if the thing you finish is absolute garbage, you get into the habit of finishing what you start, which is much more valuable to you in the long run.
21:54.33JademusSregYup.
21:54.50UloseTheGameOkay
21:55.02Nash|327More importantly, you know you can finish something.
21:55.03UloseTheGameI'm gonna make my puzzle map
21:55.08Mephsokay
21:55.09Mephsdo it
21:55.22Mephsi have a new map idea but i can't really start on it till i have a lotof the content i want out
21:55.24Nash|327When I wrote my first book, it was like I CAN DO THIS SHIT!
21:55.26Nash|327:G
21:55.39Nash|327After that it's much easier.
21:56.14Nash|327UloseTheGame: I started on an open source puzzle map, but I have another project now
21:56.21Nash|327feel free to take over
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22:03.43DresniaNash|327 you got a project ? :o
22:03.45Dresniatell me
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22:08.55UloseTheGameDoes anyone know how to check where an explosion hit?
22:09.02UloseTheGameand damage that point for a unit?
22:10.11Dresniasomeonese after a 'mine' puzzle !
22:11.34JademusSregDepends Ulose.
22:13.12UloseTheGamebasically, the first puzzle in the game is "find the hidden rock"
22:13.27UloseTheGameand to make things more complicated, you have to avoid explosions
22:13.35UloseTheGamebefore you can "find the hidden rock"
22:13.58JademusSregSince missiles are units, you should be able to detect death. You can register damage effect, or unit death, or you an Effect - Target ability with an Search Area effect, and so forth. Your question is kind of ambiguous.
22:14.16JademusSreg*or you can use
22:14.59JademusSregFind The Hidden Rock doesn't sound like a puzzle any more than Where's Waldo.
22:15.54JademusSregBesides, Find The Changeling is a more amusing premise.
22:16.05JademusSreg=D
22:16.19A1winbut what about Where's Waldo In The Middle Of All These Explosions
22:17.04A1winshould have a map that focuses around lasers and explosions, those always make a good... anything
22:17.25MephsI LOVE EXPLOSIONS
22:18.02JademusSregHaha
22:20.46Nash|327BAG ME SOME KITTUNS OR I KICK YOUR FACE D:
22:22.56UloseTheGameill explain a little more later
22:23.01UloseTheGameabout my map
22:23.43Nash|327kicks your face
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22:30.41Nash|327DO YOU SEE WHAT HAPPENS?
22:38.13UloseTheGameback
22:38.38UloseTheGamethe "puzzle" is to pilot a unit into the point jade
22:38.45UloseTheGamebut it dies if it is hit by an explosion
22:39.05JademusSregBounds? =D
22:40.10Nash|327sounds more like polar escape than a puzzle
22:42.15UloseTheGamebut that's just one
22:42.38UloseTheGamethe whole point of the map is to obtain the golden chalice of golden goldenness
22:42.41JademusSregIn what capacity is it a puzzle?
22:42.48UloseTheGamenot really a puzzle map
22:42.51UloseTheGamea variety map
22:42.55Nash|327ah
22:43.02Xaragothpuzzle as in
22:43.04JademusSregParty map. Buncha minigames.
22:43.09Xaragoth"dodge the axes!2
22:43.10Xaragoth*"
22:43.10Xaragoth^^
22:43.13UloseTheGameno
22:43.15JademusSregHah.
22:43.15UloseTheGamenot a party map
22:43.17UloseTheGamedifferent
22:43.28UloseTheGameadventure/bound with puzzles
22:43.37UloseTheGameand the only way to obtain the golden chalice
22:43.38JademusSregSo like that map SC1 Classics?
22:43.45UloseTheGameis to play the map for 3600 hours
22:44.01JademusSregHah.
22:44.02UloseTheGameno, you start with a sheeple explorer
22:44.11UloseTheGameand try to find the golden chalice
22:44.26UloseTheGameand you have to find the locked door
22:44.42UloseTheGamethe map is one of maybe 10 planned
22:44.51JademusSregSo it's Mario 64?
22:44.55UloseTheGameso that each game adds up your banked total of 3600 hours
22:45.02UloseTheGameyou're imagining it to have dialogs and stuff
22:45.11UloseTheGameimagine it more like a sandbox game
22:45.28JademusSregGary's Mod? Motive's Cortex system>?
22:45.44Mephswhy a chalice
22:45.50UloseTheGameim thinking of an ORPG where the character doesn't level
22:45.53UloseTheGamedunno
22:45.56JademusSregHaha
22:45.58UloseTheGamecause chalices are fun
22:45.58Mephschalices are so cliche
22:46.00Mephswhy not a goat
22:46.07UloseTheGameno.
22:46.09UloseTheGamejust no.
22:46.15UloseTheGameit's supposed to be cliche
22:46.25JademusSregSheep plumber wants to find the Golden Princess Goat Chalice.
22:46.45UloseTheGamethe whole concept is ridiculous
22:46.59UloseTheGame3600 hours
22:47.06UloseTheGamewho's gonna play that much?
22:47.07UloseTheGameoh btw
22:47.18UloseTheGamei intend on using hours in various ways
22:47.23JademusSregYes. I thought you said it was a puzzle map. But now it doesn't sound like anything.
22:47.34UloseTheGamefirst off, while there aren't many ways to die
22:47.40UloseTheGamedying resets your hour count
22:48.03UloseTheGamewhile there aren't many stores in the game, you use your hours as a money count
22:48.08JademusSregI mean, someone could just idle in a game for that time and win, and then shoot itself in the head and die to punish itself for being an prolific and incredible failure.
22:48.09UloseTheGamespending them like credits
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22:48.51UloseTheGamewell you have to actually get to the door where the chalice of golden goldenness is :D
22:53.49UloseTheGameAnyway, i dunno if i'll ever finish
22:54.08UloseTheGameim not so good at focusing when i cant figure something out :\
22:54.25PM|awayYou do realize you explained the concept as such:
22:54.27PM|awayget 3600hrs
22:54.28PM|awayif you die
22:54.30PM|awayhours reset
22:54.36JademusSregHow can you say you know the editor like the back of your hand if you can't figure something out? =\
22:54.37PM|awayone of the puzzles is to dodge explosions
22:54.42PM|awayInstant lose
22:54.45ZetaLocuswhat does it mean if my transfer is stuck on "transmitting visual file"
22:55.02JademusSregIt's timing out. =D
22:55.34ZetaLocuscan't figure out why
22:56.19PM|awaylol
22:56.30UloseTheGame:D
22:56.38PM|awaySo I just made a 7 tentacle leviathan using fewer objects and actor events than the 4 tentacle one created by Blizz
22:56.42UloseTheGamelike i said, whole concept is ridiculous
22:57.32UloseTheGameAnyway Jade, knowing something like the back of my hand doesn't mean i dont get stuck sometimes
22:57.47PM|awayI find it funny how inefficient Blizz is at making things
22:57.58JademusSregYou often get stuck on the back of your hand? =D
22:59.31UloseTheGameyes....it's called burning out :(
22:59.50PM|awayBurning out has more to do with losing motivation than not knowing what to do lol
23:00.02JademusSregHah.
23:01.27UloseTheGamewell how it happens is something like this
23:01.36UloseTheGame"Oh hey how do i do this"
23:01.39UloseTheGame"lemme try this"
23:01.45UloseTheGame"oh that's not right"
23:01.50UloseTheGame*think*
23:02.01PM|awaylol
23:02.01UloseTheGame"Okay maybe that'll work"
23:02.07PM|awayThat's guesswork
23:02.10UloseTheGame"oh...nvm"
23:02.16PM|awayI don't ask myself how I do something
23:02.17UloseTheGame*thinks again?*
23:02.22PM|awayI just make it
23:02.27PM|awayAnd then move onto the next thing lol
23:02.40UloseTheGamewell, maybe i cant explain to you ^_^
23:02.50PM|awayYou try making something when you don't actually know how to make it ;P
23:02.55UloseTheGameexact;y
23:03.01UloseTheGameand then i have to work it out
23:03.09PM|awayWhich would imply that you don't know the editor that well after all
23:03.10UloseTheGameand it doesn't work
23:03.13UloseTheGamefrustration
23:03.15UloseTheGameRAAAAAAAAAAAGE
23:03.16UloseTheGamequit
23:03.44UloseTheGameand something like that
23:03.52PM|away*facepalm*
23:04.16UloseTheGame-_-
23:04.29Nash|327palmface
23:04.33UloseTheGameso the point is, i dont want that to happen
23:04.34UloseTheGamebut it does
23:05.16UloseTheGameespecially today when im stressed out of my mind
23:05.18UloseTheGame:\
23:06.20PM|awaysorry
23:06.23PM|awayyou can't palm my face
23:06.26PM|awayit is unstealable
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23:08.53Helral|Afkmakes a mold of PM's face
23:08.54Helral|Afkmeows
23:09.05PM|awayThen you would have a bust
23:09.07PM|awaynot a palmed face
23:09.48Helral|Afkfills the mold with clay and presses the palm of his hand in it so the clay sticks to his palm.
23:09.59Helral|Afknow has PM's face palmed ;p
23:10.21PM|awayXp
23:10.35Nash|327Vista
23:10.39Helral|Afk7
23:10.45Nash|3273.1
23:10.56Helral|AfkDOS 6.22
23:15.18DresniaQUIET GUYS
23:15.28DresniaI got a pixle project going on in here
23:15.34Dresniathanks too Nash|327 and his great ideas
23:15.36Dresnia>_>
23:15.39Nash|327D_D
23:17.01Helral|Afkgoes to sleep
23:17.10Dresniabb
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23:31.13BountyHay Guyz
23:31.21JademusSregHi.
23:33.00Nash|327it r Bounty
23:33.09Nash|327tasty Bounty
23:33.38Bountyu know wutz real tasty
23:33.45Bountymah new videooooo0o
23:33.46Bountyhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9pzPV4FxOY
23:33.48BountyBAMF
23:34.05Dresniaold news jackass !
23:34.07Nash|327bad-ass motherfucker?
23:34.31Bountygood news never gets old Dresnia
23:34.35Bounty><
23:34.42Dresniaso your news is very very old
23:34.44Dresniahahahahaahha
23:34.46Dresniame so funny
23:42.27Nash|327Hey they tore down the Berlin wall!
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