IRC log for #sc2mapster on 20110503

00:01.58CryptRatIdeally, how much of a game should you have designed before beginning to implement it?
00:02.04CryptRatAll of it?
00:02.09*** join/#sc2mapster UloseTheGame (44ad493a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.173.73.58)
00:03.16UloseTheGameAnyone here want to watch a stream?
00:03.18UloseTheGamehttp://www.livestream.com/scdebates
00:07.30Mexa_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2RA0vsZXf8 damn that's a good cover :v
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00:10.20AlphA_VsTsup bitches
00:10.32Mexa_Hey Alpha
00:12.26Ashamedsup
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00:13.55Mexaspltrpl
00:14.00MexaHey Alpha
00:14.22UloseTheGamehttp://www.livestream.com/scdebates
00:16.14Mexahmm... debates is not really my cup of tea.
00:16.54Ashamedlol
00:16.58Ashamedyeah mine neither
00:17.18Ashamedit would take so much for me to just play it.... let alone watch a stream of it
00:17.20UloseTheGameGuys im streaming fun or nots
00:17.22UloseTheGamenot debates
00:17.31UloseTheGamei happened to have stumbled upon an ICJug
00:17.38UloseTheGamethere are a lot of them you know :\
00:18.08Ashamedbut mexa that was a good cover :)
00:18.16Ashamedliked it much better then the orginal song
00:18.20Mexayeah
00:18.35MexaSam Tsui has some darn awesome covers there
00:18.41MexaAnd the duett was pretty good too
00:20.17Ashamedyeah thats an ok song you ever see the ultralisk sc2 video to it?
00:20.18Ashamedlol
00:20.39Mexalolwhat?
00:20.42Mexawhich one
00:20.49Ashamedyeah someone made a "music Video" to just a dream
00:20.52Ashamedit was actually pretty good
00:20.56Ashamedlol
00:21.13Ashamedit was on sc2mapsters
00:21.17Ashamedbut i dunno if its still there
00:21.37MexaTears of Ultralisk?
00:21.56Ashamedmby
00:22.01Ashamedit was a sad type song
00:22.10Ashamedit kinda reminded me of like indians hunting bison
00:22.11Ashamedor something
00:22.17Ashamedbut it was ultralisk instead
00:22.20Ashamed:( sad
00:22.27MexaIt was for the original song right=
00:22.31Ashamedyeah
00:22.44MexaFound it
00:22.45Mexa:P
00:23.00Ashamedhe does a good job an making the song relate to the ultralisk
00:23.01Ashamedlol
00:23.04Ashamedat**
00:23.35Mexayeah
00:23.41Mexapoor ultra and tinylisk
00:23.45Ashamedyeah
00:23.49Ashamedthe tiny one and mommy one
00:23.50Ashameddie :(
00:23.57Mexa:|
00:24.30UloseTheGamehttp://www.livestream.com/scdebates
00:24.32Ashamedbrb time to go install pgp on another wokrstation...
00:24.51Mexaand brb, hopefully sleep
00:25.09Mexathe hopefully, I'll let you figure out, as always <.<
00:26.58Ashamedsleep
00:30.44Mexait is 2:30 am after all
00:31.01MexaI I have classes tomorrow :7
00:31.04Mexa*and
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00:52.54UloseTheGamehttp://www.livestream.com/scdebates
00:52.59UloseTheGameSixen
00:53.02UloseTheGamewhere are you?
00:53.08UloseTheGameI am streaming
00:53.21UloseTheGameI need people to know about it :(
00:53.28UloseTheGameI am streaming fun or not games
00:54.50UloseTheGameSixen, you there?
00:58.22UloseTheGameAnyone on atm?
01:06.25Ashamedthe harvest left no food for you to eat, you cannibal you meat eater you see.
01:12.01Ashamedits been a quite day in the irc of sc2 mapsters
01:12.34Ashamedquite lol quiet*
01:18.53SixenSup
01:20.25Sixenyou're offline
01:20.30Sixenwhy am I newsing an offline stream
01:24.53UloseTheGamesorry
01:24.58UloseTheGametook it off because it was useless
01:25.04UloseTheGameno one would watch it :\
01:25.08UloseTheGameshould wait till weekend
01:25.16UloseTheGameSixen
01:25.19UloseTheGamehow bout this
01:25.39UloseTheGameyou'll news it at 7:00 on wednesday, you wont forget
01:25.43UloseTheGameright?
01:26.21Sixenprobably
01:26.24Sixensend me a PM
01:26.31Sixenon wednesday when you want it up
01:27.01Sixenand actually, I won't be home wednesday night, so someone else is going to have to
01:31.20tordywoah
01:33.06BountyYou there JademusSreg?
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02:21.46MotiveMAPSTER
02:21.48MotiveI'M BACK.
02:22.01MotiveI've returned from Texas, where the cattle roam and the speed limit is 85 mph.
02:22.59Mephsstream up:  http://www.livestream.com/mephssc
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02:47.44Bountyhttp://i56.tinypic.com/vsct2h.jpg
02:47.49Bountyhttp://i56.tinypic.com/332qges.jpg
02:47.52BountyThought so far?
02:53.07allenmeloncool, what game is that?
02:53.20allenmelonwhy r u so good at making games, and u make so many too
02:53.33Bountyjust a game im working on
02:53.37Bountyjust started it
02:53.41Bountythats all i have lol
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03:09.18JademusSregWoW models, haha. But not inappropriate.
03:09.55JademusSregWelcome back Motive.
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04:18.04tordyel gunit!
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06:43.05Mephsstreamin map dev & lounge music:  http://www.livestream.com/mephssc
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06:50.21Leaderboardhi guys
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07:39.53burne-morning
07:58.07burne-omai good
07:58.11burne-new epic meal time!
08:06.47burne-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKJgcEgvx4U&feature=feedu
08:06.49burne-ROFL :D
08:06.52burne-bacon for cat :D
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09:56.51Helral|Workmeow
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09:59.19Zyff:D:D
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10:20.34burne-Helral|Work: damn yo missed it!
10:21.01burne-Helral|Work: epic meal time, serving bacon for cat :D
10:22.38ZyffQuiet burne-.
10:27.55burne-:(
10:28.11burne-Zyff: you seen my new video?
10:28.22ZyffWell, I have seen one last night
10:28.27ZyffAbout some boring race game
10:28.30ZyffWich one you on about ?
10:28.53burne-yes the one i uploaded last night :/
10:29.06Zyffyeah you made it look fun
10:29.13burne-haha ^^
10:29.14Zyffbut we both no it aint fun yet !
10:29.21ZyffSO KEEP WORKING BABY
10:29.23burne-its decently fun
10:29.28ZyffRandomize, overdo stuff !
10:29.40burne-I like the start I made for the video ^^
10:29.44burne-even though it lagged
10:29.56burne-so it doesnt look as good as it was suppose to
10:29.56Zyffhehe ;
10:29.57Zyff:)
10:30.27burne-but yea, the video probly gives impression that it is better thant it actually is :D
10:30.29burne-dunno
10:30.41ZyffYeah it really does
10:30.47ZyffBut it's a public beta ish now
10:30.57ZyffOpen a email, ask people too give feedback
10:31.19burne-yes yes, Ill think il lwait till mapnight
10:31.22burne-to see if people like it
10:31.31burne-last time it was bugged so couldnt even test it :(
10:31.31Zyffis mapnight populair ?
10:31.49burne-I would say we got around 10-20 people there all the time
10:32.01Zyff:)
10:32.03burne-it usually starts with around 10 and goes to 20
10:32.10Kuekenaand about 20-30 viewers on stream last time
10:32.15ZyffThat's not much, but yeah, still 'early' in the game
10:32.27ZyffWC3 / SC1 had alot more customs after 5 year
10:32.27burne-well its quite boring to watch
10:32.30Zyffthan in the first year
10:32.33burne-if its not super fun maps
10:32.38burne-and exiciting talkers
10:32.47Kuekenstill people watch :D
10:33.01burne-well only like 30?
10:33.04burne-its not much
10:33.11burne-and half of them is probly those who playing
10:33.18Kueken:)
10:33.34KuekenI wouldn't watch, either, its just not THAT interesting
10:33.43ZyffWhy would you watch yourself playin
10:33.49Kuekenplaying is quite fun usually, thoug
10:34.06Kuekenfor +1 viewer
10:34.58Kuekenbut yes, we will see, after the 2 addons are released and probably some years after that
10:35.07Kuekenhow the custom map community turns out
10:35.14ZyffYeah
10:35.19ZyffAnd by the time that gets in
10:35.27Zyffwe will have SO much expierince :O
10:35.39ZyffSo Blizzy should fix b.net custom crap and hire sc2mapster
10:35.42ZyffAnd give us our own rts
10:35.44Zyfffuck yeh
10:35.58ZyffALTHO they shoudln't hire burne- he makes boring maps
10:36.04Zyffhe can bring coffee
10:36.06Helral|Worklol
10:38.30burne-lol
10:38.35burne-:D
10:38.46burne-you probly havent even play my other maps
10:38.48burne-:(
10:38.48ZyffJust kidding youuu
10:38.56Zyffwich ones ?
10:39.05Zyff'Burne counts the sheeps till you fall asleep' ?
10:39.13ZyffOr lik e'Burne paints a pony' ?
10:40.11burne-you make no sense
10:40.29ZyffYeah my mommy always said so :P
10:40.41ZyffDude I'm just messing you, I love your work on the race map
10:40.49ZyffBut I just feel it still miss some stuff
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10:41.44burne-I know, but its hard to make it any better I just think that
10:41.56burne-I could add more attachments and weapons which would atleast increase replay value
10:42.00ZyffRandom stuff dude, random stuff
10:42.08burne-what random stuff?!
10:42.15ZyffMake some spots on the map where 'sometimes' shit happens
10:42.29Zyfflike a bloody meteor, a 'fog' that slows you
10:42.30Zyffetc etc
10:44.20burne-Im personally too interested in that kind of stuff
10:44.34ZyffMaybe I should write a 'tutorial' perhaps
10:44.36burne-it takes quite a lot effort to do and then testing to see if its any good
10:44.39Zyfftoo make shit come 'alive'
10:44.59ZyffDawg how hard can it be too make it lol..
10:45.06Zyffafk
10:45.10ZyffI'll explain it a bit soon
10:50.36burne-I just cannot picture it in my head
10:50.41burne-like how would it be good
10:50.51Zyffit would't do anything
10:50.54burne-the arenas are small and there is already those boosting panels and nudys worms
10:50.55Zyffit would just look fancy
10:51.37burne-mm I guess something to add could be like growd cheering near track, you could run them over
10:51.46burne-but would it be enough to increase the fun
10:51.48Zyffyeaaah
10:51.51burne-:/
10:52.00Zyffofc it would be more fun
10:52.10burne-it feels like it only adds only a bit more
10:52.24Zyffyour map only needs a bit ambiance
10:52.30burne-mm
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10:56.39burne-actually I think the crowd thing could be fun
10:56.52burne-but not just sure if its fun enough since it also takes a lot to do -_-
10:56.53Zyffyeah it's a great idea
10:57.10Zyffwell burne-
10:57.15Zyffwhat else you gonna do today
10:57.18burne-I measure things as fun/work>1
10:57.30burne-not much :(
10:57.35burne-just brainstorming again
10:57.38burne-like I always do
10:57.42ZyffI guess it would take you about..
10:57.45Zyff2hours tops
10:57.49Zyfftoo make the system
10:57.53Zyffif its fun, progress
10:57.59Zyffif it aint, 2hours of your life wasted
10:58.05Zyffwich is wasted anyway
10:58.11burne-mm yea, I gotta do some brainstorming on that too
10:58.15burne-before proceeding
10:58.25Zyffwell
10:58.31burne-like where do i want to put units, how do they react, do they slow you/give speed bost etc...
10:58.35Zyffregions > spawn in region, if unit is close enough
10:58.35burne-so many things to consider
10:58.36Zyffkill it
10:58.52Zyffthey should give you 5 energy on kill
10:59.38burne-mm yea maybe some random bonus
10:59.44Zyffyea
10:59.46burne-energy is almsot free anyway
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10:59.50burne-so random bonus better
10:59.56Zyffand don't overdo it
11:00.02burne-as in?
11:00.14Zyfflike a person could only kil 5 units ish a lap
11:00.27Zyffso 1 player ; 5 units / lap
11:00.36Zyffso 6 players : 30 units / lap
11:00.42burne-well how am I suppose to limit that?
11:01.06ZyffBy 'spawning' them at start, depending on amount of players
11:01.16Zyffand if 1 person gets through start, respawn
11:01.30Zyff1 person through start ; spawn 5 random on all lap
11:01.36Zyffkeep that 'going'
11:01.46burne-hmm yea I guess that should work
11:02.02Zyffit doesn't always need to be super complex
11:02.08Zyffmost fun stuff is so easy
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11:10.06Helral|WorkZyff: have you played dodge the archon minigame?
11:14.31Zyffnegative
11:14.53ZyffWhat's it about
11:14.54Helral|Workhehehe it's a simple minigame ;p (made in 2 hours tops)
11:15.00Helral|Workwell dodge the archon ;p
11:15.04Zyff:D
11:15.08Zyffhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ6zr6kCPj8
11:15.12Zyffgotta love that dance
11:17.18Helral|Workhttp://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/project-workplace/5012-contest-minigame/?page=3#p54
11:17.47ZyffLet's tube !
11:18.27Helral|Workmeow? ;p
11:18.30ZyffLooks easy at start
11:18.45Helral|Workthe longer you stay alive the harder it gets ;p
11:18.51Zyffyeah figured
11:18.59Zyffhow did you make them blue red green
11:19.05Helral|Worktint color ;p
11:19.10Helral|Workactor message ;p
11:19.12Zyffchanging their 'light' color and made it glowy ?
11:19.15Zyffyeh
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11:19.18Zyffthought so
11:19.23Helral|Workbtw you can download the map on that page.
11:19.27Helral|Workso you can even see it ;p
11:19.30ZyffYeah I see it
11:19.54Helral|Workthink this was made either during beta, or just after SC2 release.
11:19.54ZyffBut yeah burne-
11:19.57Zyffcheck into his map
11:20.03Zyfffor movement in the region how he uses it
11:20.08Zyffthats how u want ur civilians
11:20.22Helral|Workmy random archon movement?
11:21.07Helral|Workcan't burne- just use wander, and if a civilian leaves the region, move order it back into the random towards a random point?
11:21.16Helral|Workor better, wander with leash.
11:21.23Helral|Workthat way they'll stay inside the area ;p
11:22.25ZyffI'm only known with a very limited editor in AoM
11:22.29Zyffso no clue on 'wander' :D
11:22.44Helral|Workwhat the critters do in sc2.
11:22.48Helral|Workjust randomly move about.
11:24.01ZyffYeah lol I figured that out
11:24.08ZyffI just didn't no it was a valid command
11:24.16Helral|Workwander is a behavior ;p
11:25.20Zyffwell u know what I mean :-)
11:32.12burne-im not sure if i want the wandering
11:32.17burne-they are cheering for you
11:32.28burne-so why would you want to wander while cheering
11:43.59Zyffmake it RANDOM
11:44.08Zyffwander > Cheer > wander > Cheer
11:44.18Zyffwould be pritty stupid if they always in the same spot
11:46.04burne-you and your randomness
11:46.05burne-:D
11:46.13burne-ill see what I can do
11:46.23burne-still need to fix 1 bug atleast
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12:06.54Helral|WorkZyff: you like randomness?
12:10.04ZyffYeah
12:10.10ZyffPeople call me a random fool so
12:10.13Zyffafk a bit guys
12:10.16Zyffgot baby visit here
12:10.27Helral|WorkZyff: http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/project-workplace/2407-helrals-random-dungeon-map/
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12:30.21Mexayawn
12:30.52Zyff;p
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13:12.32Dekar-omg
13:12.39Dekar-i woke up at 7 in the morning
13:12.46Dekar-and the worst possible thing happened
13:12.48Dekar-NO INTERNET
13:12.58Dekar-it was so horrifying ;_;
13:13.07Helral|Workso? you didn't leave your pc running during the night?
13:13.18Dekar-no
13:13.30Helral|Workso you couldn't even start the SC2Editor O.o
13:13.33Helral|Workthat's horrible ;p
13:13.55Dekar-:p
13:14.01Helral|Work*play background tune*
13:14.14Dekar-link the background tune
13:14.18Dekar-so ican listen to it
13:14.19Helral|Worklol
13:14.26Helral|WorkI don't have it :(
13:14.49Helral|Workcan't link to a tune in my head :( pc can't find link to it :(
13:15.59Helral|WorkDekar-: http://static.sc2mapster.com/base/images/404kitten.jpg ;p
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13:58.26burne-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGeKSiCQkPw&feature=topvideos_entertainment
13:58.27burne-lol
14:04.28Zyffman
14:04.30Zyffpoor dog
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14:17.45Zyffhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ6zr6kCPj8
14:17.47Zyff@ 5.20
14:17.55ZyffThat's definatly Day[9]
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14:40.38Kuekenmapster down?
14:40.40Kuekensixen
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15:24.56tordyso now what
15:42.30burne-brrr
15:42.49burne-pepepe
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15:56.30burne-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGeKSiCQkPw&feature=topvideos_entertainment
15:56.37burne-iv probly watched this like 10 times already
15:56.42burne-so good and funny :D
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15:59.11Helral|Afkmeow
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16:01.17nodgeneOh it's heral and his meowing
16:01.26nodgeneRIGHT LADS
16:01.37nodgeneI continue to have problems with a trigger, and here it is: http://tinypaste.com/6db668
16:03.30burne-nodgene: there isnt reall anything there?
16:03.47burne-oh
16:03.49Helral|Afknodgene: your condition is always false
16:03.50burne-it goes down
16:03.51burne-:DD
16:04.02nodgeneIt does indeed helral
16:04.06nodgeneI mean burne
16:04.10nodgeneI mean both of you, you're both correct
16:04.14nodgeneright
16:04.43Helral|Afkbtw nodgene what is PlayerHero1[i] and PlayerHero2[i] ?
16:05.02nodgeneBefore I changed the "player" and "deathtimer" into an array it worked, but badly; sometimes it was timed wrongly and sometimes it didn't show up at all - I presume, because it was being shared between all players.
16:05.10nodgenetwo units heral
16:05.19Helral|Afklooks like 4 to me ....
16:05.23nodgenethey may be dead or alive, players choose to spawn 2 units when they have none
16:05.42nodgenebut when they have 1 they need to be able to spawn a new one after a while
16:05.43Helral|Afkhmmm
16:05.44nodgenehense the trigger
16:05.56nodgene4
16:05.57nodgene?
16:06.05Helral|Afkahh 2 per player, ok.
16:06.48Helral|Afkso basicly your trigger is only supposed to work if 1 is alive and 1 is dead?
16:07.40nodgeneprecisely
16:08.19Helral|AfkPlayer[0] <-- that is wrong.
16:08.21nodgenefor some reason the timer array has stopped it from working and I don't know why, but prior to that it wasn't right anyway.  I presume because there wasn't an array to differentiate timers between players.
16:08.33nodgeneoh, yes that may be an issue
16:08.34Helral|Afkthe last if then else statement
16:08.39Helral|Afkthe condition there
16:08.56Helral|Afkalso why not just store the player number?
16:09.08nodgenestore where?
16:09.15Helral|Afklike: local var integer Player = (Triggering Player).
16:09.24Helral|Afkinstead of using an array there.
16:09.31nodgenewell part of the trigger attempts to do that, because the wait for timer won't detect the player properly otherwise?
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16:09.54Helral|Afkneh what you do is different.
16:10.01Helral|Afkwhich basicly doesn't work ;p
16:10.05ZyffBALLS OF STEEL
16:10.14nodgeneI am aware that it doesn't work :D that much I am sure of.  
16:10.24nodgeneZyff, as always, uniquely amusing.
16:10.24Helral|Afkeg. you set Player[3]=3, while you want to set Player=3
16:10.40nodgeneoh, yes.
16:10.51Helral|Afkcause after the wait you don't know which index you used at your player array.
16:11.05Helral|Afkwhile you do not even need an array for it ;p
16:11.16nodgeneWhat about the timer?
16:12.02nodgeneand how would I do it without an array?
16:12.05Helral|Afktimer looks good, just use the variable Player, instead of Owner of (Triggering unit). cause you've set Player = Owner of (Triggering Unit)
16:12.09nodgenethere are multiple players in the game at once
16:12.12nodgenekilling and dying
16:12.22tordyfade to block
16:12.28Helral|Afkyeah and each instance of the trigger has it's own Player variable.
16:12.34Helral|Afkthey don't interfere with eachother.
16:12.43nodgeneOh right, okay.  That makes sense.
16:12.50nodgenelet me change some things then...
16:14.38Helral|Afknodgene: http://tinypaste.com/81a9ba <-- basicly you get that.
16:16.08nodgeneright, hold on, thanks
16:17.01nodgenewait what do you mean you get that?  Is this an example of in theory a working one?
16:18.19Helral|Afkit should work, all I did was replace your Player[...] and (Owner of (Triggering Unit)) calls, with the Player variable, and set the Player variable right at the init to (Owner of (Triggering Unit)).
16:18.51nodgeneI see
16:19.28nodgeneright, so if I set an int var to "player" then that value will be the same as those that call the player number from an array?
16:19.43nodgeneas the player's number does not change
16:19.44nodgene?
16:20.24Helral|Afkevery instance of that trigger will have it's own Player variable and number. it doesn't alter unless you use Set Variable Player inside the trigger.
16:20.49nodgeneyes I'm just thinking of how the player number will relate to the timer array
16:21.32nodgeneand other things
16:22.48nodgeneI see
16:23.00nodgeneright, time to test
16:25.16Zyffoff for the gym / food after etc
16:25.16Zyffttyl <3
16:27.18nodgenetake care zyff, take care.  We need to keep our Belgians alive!
16:27.25nodgeneright, Helral, it werks :D
16:27.45nodgeneappears to anyway, the timer array should make sure it works well in multiplayer
16:27.57nodgeneso thank you
16:30.33Helral|Afk:)
16:31.09nodgeneI have named you on the loading screen for helping!  Need mah citations.  
16:32.19burne-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osfEQTR-45M&feature=feedf
16:32.21burne-loool
16:32.22burne--_-
16:35.19tordyda hell u think u doin
16:35.38tordywy do my variants keep resetting
16:35.44tordythe teams keep changing
16:35.58tordyand i cant set default colors and race
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16:43.50nodgenetordy
16:43.54nodgenemore importantion please
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16:52.07burne-I went to swiming today
16:52.23burne-was really funny feeling when i got out of the pool after 30mins of swimming
16:52.30burne-felt like double gravity :D
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17:10.15Dekar-uaaaah
17:10.19Dekar-the sun
17:10.21Dekar-melts
17:12.41nodgeneRIGHT
17:12.42nodgeneLADS
17:12.44nodgeneNeed help
17:13.11nodgeneHelral, although helpful didn't fix mai trigger problem.  It still works *sometimes* and doesnt work others http://tinypaste.com/c9a8b
17:15.49Helral|Afkhmmm?
17:16.34nodgeneDER YOU ARE
17:16.39nodgeneIt works now, but doesn't work all the time
17:16.46nodgenesame problem as I had previously
17:16.52nodgenesometimes it doesn't fire
17:16.54nodgenesometimes it does
17:16.56Helral|Afkwhat is the moment when it doesn't work?
17:17.14Kuekenthe conditions seem kinda strange to me
17:17.16nodgenesometimes when a player has been waiting for a long time with 1 unit it never shows up
17:17.21Kuekenlet me think this through...
17:17.26nodgenethanks
17:17.38nodgeneI was testing it with a friend on battlenet just then
17:17.58Kuekenyou need to have <2 supply
17:18.01Helral|Afklet him check his supplies, and perhaps just add output when testing with Debug Message.
17:18.13Kuekenand the dying unit needs to be your 1st or snd hero
17:18.19Kueken*2nd
17:18.39Kuekenand one of the heroes needs to be alive
17:18.46Kuekenso for the trigger to fail
17:18.54Kuekeneither both heroes need to be dead
17:19.06Kuekenor the supply is >=2
17:19.20Kuekenor the dying unit is not one of your heroes
17:19.33Kuekenthats how it is intended?
17:20.26nodgeneyes
17:20.27nodgene:)
17:20.34nodgeneokay, watching replay
17:21.02nodgenethe time the friend doesn't get respawn is after he loses a man and then I get new heros.  :\
17:21.04Kuekentriggering player works correctly?
17:21.08nodgeneI chase his ghost with my battleships
17:21.15Kuekenshould be owner of triggering unit usually
17:21.23nodgenewhere, which one
17:21.34Kuekenconditions, first line
17:21.36nodgenewell it works *sometimes*
17:21.42nodgeneit's not a total failure, it works sometimes
17:21.47Kuekenthen its probably irrelevant
17:21.51nodgenepossibly yes
17:22.11nodgeneI'll change it nonetheless
17:22.50Kuekenso your players have 2 heroes each?
17:23.17nodgeneyes,
17:23.20nodgenewhen they have 0 heros
17:23.23nodgenethey spawn 2 more
17:23.29Helral|Afkdid you create a different Timer per player?
17:23.34nodgeneand when they have 1, they ought to be able to spawn a new one, hense this trigger
17:23.39nodgeneI used an array for the timers
17:23.48nodgeneinitially it was just one timer
17:24.12Kuekendo timer arrays properly initialize themselves in gui nowadays?
17:24.24Kuekenin wc3 you needed to do this yourself
17:24.25nodgeneNo idea
17:24.37nodgenehow would I work around it?
17:24.45KuekenI suggest adding text messages first
17:24.59Kuekento determine the exact step which bugs
17:25.06nodgenekk
17:28.08nodgenein singleplayer it works flawlessly
17:30.56Helral|AfkI'm just wondering if he set the PlayerHero1/PlayerHero2 variables correctly ;p
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17:32.21Kuekenwell, thats what text messages are for
17:32.54Kuekenif you need, print every relevant variable and after every line
17:33.07Kueken:)
17:36.02nodgenehah nice
17:36.07nodgenewell testing with a friend on bnet
17:36.14nodgeneit can handle 2 respawns at once
17:36.27nodgenebut this is after I changed unit triggering from triggering player to owner of... triggering unit
17:36.37nodgenenot sure if it's fixed it or if it's just being ditsy
17:38.07nodgeneah
17:38.08nodgeneright
17:38.11nodgeneI killed 1 of his
17:38.20nodgeneinitiates stage 1 of the trigger
17:38.26nodgenebut then he killed both of mine
17:38.30nodgeneI chose 2 new units and respawned
17:38.32nodgeneand his fails to respawn
17:39.09nodgeneOkay... so... maybe the main respawn trigger somehow affects it
17:42.04Zyffpastebin your coding a bit
17:42.11Zyffwould be easyer for people to have a look at it
17:43.22nodgeneaye
17:43.32nodgenewas pastebin'd up
17:43.35nodgenein the chat
17:44.31burne-i wonder what i fucked up now
17:44.38burne-minimap completely black
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17:45.47burne-hmm
17:45.49burne-is that a spy
17:45.54burne-who has captured blub_
17:46.06nodgenenice burne
17:46.30Blub\wburne-: :P
17:46.39Blub\wjust another irc client
17:48.04burne-lol my map is acting out really badly
17:48.06burne--_-
17:48.10burne-i wonder what I messed up
17:49.18Helral|Afkyou hid the minimap ;p
17:49.42burne-ugh how did I do that? I mean the minimap shows, but its just black
17:50.41Helral|Afkthe location of the minimap shows you mean?
17:50.49Helral|Afktry Show/Hide UI Frame, Show Minimap ;p
17:51.16burne-even units show in the minimap btw
17:51.39burne-green dots on black background
17:52.00burne-ill probly just move my stuff to previous version of my map
17:52.11burne-probly easier than trying to fix
17:52.35Helral|Afkowww.... well did you import an image to your game named minimap.tga?
17:53.06burne-no
17:53.14burne-i havent done anything
17:53.29Helral|Afkdo you own a cat?
17:53.37burne-yes i own 5 cats
17:53.54Helral|Afkthen they did a good job of messing up your minimap :) nice cats.
17:53.59Helral|Afkpets burne-'s cats.
17:54.07burne-I had one cat
17:54.10burne-but it run away
17:54.13burne-:(
17:54.16Helral|Afk:(
17:55.35burne-hmmh
17:55.45burne-I need to detect when civilians are stationary
17:55.55burne-too bad blizzard hasnt included detecting movement speed....
17:56.01Helral|Afkwhy?
17:56.09Helral|Afkjust curious ;p
17:56.14burne-cause i want my civilians to celebrate
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17:56.16burne-randomly
17:56.18Helral|Afkhehehe
17:56.27Helral|Afkwhy not add an idle animation then?
17:56.34burne-good thinking!
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17:56.46burne-that should work indeed
17:57.20Ashameddoes anyone have a good way to make a camera follow a unit thats height is changing ??
17:59.06burne-wtf blizzard
17:59.15burne-I cannot check colonists animations on previewer?!
17:59.24burne-how am i suppose to know what animations they have then
17:59.58burne-I thnk there was a way
18:00.03burne-like looking the behaviours
18:00.15burne-yea
18:00.21nodgeneI have tried so much testing just now with a friend, procedurally trying to find a way to make the error reoccur, but it only failed to work once, then worked again under the same circumstances next time tested and continued to work properly the rest of the tests :|
18:00.22burne-but cant look in previewer -_-
18:00.29nodgeneI'm concluding the respawn works "when it wants to"
18:01.25burne-Helral|Afk: ugh Im not sure if I can play the animations
18:01.40burne-well I guess ill test it :/
18:01.47burne-...
18:01.48burne-but cant look in previewer so
18:02.00Blub\wburne-: sure, you can lsit them, and choose to show them :O
18:02.00Blub\wnodgene: sounds like a serious case of wrong-doing :S what bug?
18:02.00Blub\wburne-: why not?
18:02.10Blub\wthere are buttons to hide/show some parts of the model
18:02.16burne-dunno colonist models are wierd
18:02.17Blub\wfrom the data field
18:02.19Blub\wmaybe you disabled it
18:02.20burne-they show 0 animations
18:02.23burne-when tyou look the model
18:02.25Blub\wthen try rightclicking the animation bar
18:02.28Blub\won the bottom
18:02.31Blub\wwhere it shows the time
18:02.41Blub\wthere should be a popup with "Change Animation ->"
18:02.57burne-yea colonist models are weird
18:02.59burne-no such a thing
18:03.03burne-but they do have animations
18:03.10nodgeneblub\w http://tinypaste.com/c9a8b this is supposed to show the player a "respawn" button when one of their max potential 2 heros dies after 30 seconds.  Players spawn 2 heros to begin with and when they are both dead.
18:03.20nodgeneSometimes, it doesn't fire or fires incorrectly
18:03.49nodgenetried to replicate conditions which we knew made it error out, but that was at best inconsistant
18:04.11burne-fucking blizzard....why have they done such a thing with one model
18:04.20Blub\wnodgene: I'm assuming there's no other way to use up supply
18:04.25Blub\wand each hero takes up 1
18:04.28burne-I guess I could check if civilian models are same
18:04.38nodgenetrue
18:05.12burne-but can I even define idle animation somewhere?!
18:05.31burne-I though fidget would do it, but I cannot put animation name there
18:05.48nodgenewe tried to replicate the error based on the order in which units are killed, or if when a player spawns new units whilst the other is waiting for a respawn, if it interferes.... after trying if having 2 timers running simultaneously fucked it up
18:05.52nodgenenothing consistantly did anything
18:05.54nodgenebut worked :|
18:06.31Blub\wjust as a side note:
18:06.41Blub\wisn't there a "wait 30 s" function you can use instead of a timer + wait-for-timer?
18:06.59Blub\woh
18:07.05Blub\wright, if both heros die
18:07.06nodgeneis there?
18:07.25Blub\wnodgene: I think yes
18:07.33nodgene..?
18:07.46Blub\wnvm my other sentence I started
18:07.51nodgenekk
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18:08.26burne-Anyone else find it stupid that it doesnt even suggest creating button when you create ability?
18:08.32burne-since you alwayus fucking need a button
18:08.43Blub\wnodgene: native void     Wait (fixed inSecs, int inTimeType);
18:09.00Blub\wso there should be a "Wait 3s gametime" function available
18:09.04Blub\w30 for you ^^
18:09.29Blub\wnodgene: when is PlayerHeroCheck changed ?
18:09.37Blub\wexcept at the start of this trigger
18:10.17nodgenegood point
18:10.34Blub\wnodgene: isn't the supply check superfluous?
18:10.38Blub\win the conditions
18:10.54nodgeneit's changed when the player has 0 heros or when they have chosen 1 hero of 2 in the button GUI, or when they have chosen 2 or when they have 1 left after getting one killed
18:11.02Blub\w(1 unit of this player just died) and (one unit is still alive) implies (supply < 2)
18:11.04Blub\wno?
18:11.06Blub\w^^
18:11.13ZyffAnyone know some good 'Doodad Walls' that suit protos a bit ? Not a wall for against a cliff. A solid solo wall
18:11.36Blub\wnodgene: seeing that this is the only thing that can change the trigger's behaviour
18:11.42nodgenepossibly yes, although I was unconvinced on its own that worked to stop player spam-clicking and getting more units.  
18:11.46nodgeneMay be my paranoia
18:11.55Blub\wnodgene: I'd bet that this variable is the problem
18:12.14nodgeneyou may be on to something
18:12.54Blub\wit's the only behavior-changing variable that can be changed from the outside before being used :P
18:12.58Blub\wother than the death-timer ofc :P
18:13.53nodgeneRight well I shall have to do a crawl through the triggers and see if anything changes it oddly
18:14.23nodgenebut herocheck is a global var array, so in theory each player has his own slot, and it shoudln't interfere
18:14.23ZyffIsn't there a 'error' catcher ?
18:18.51burne-yeaa
18:19.02burne-now the crowd is cheering and wandering :D
18:20.17burne-hgehe I think the crowd idea is cool
18:20.20burne-^^
18:20.37burne-even though it still needs tweaking and I havent implemented syustem to kill them
18:21.24burne-actually now I would like to fix my minimap
18:21.25burne--_-
18:21.30burne-too much work to move all over
18:21.54Zyffburne-
18:21.58Zyffles qq more pew pew <3
18:22.21Zyffhttp://img823.imageshack.us/img823/8103/ssmap.jpg
18:22.22nodgenefood tam
18:22.27ZyffI need better walls :-(
18:22.35ZyffDoodad's are pritty limited in SC2 tbh
18:23.32burne-http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/4140/whyyyy.jpg
18:23.37burne-someone tell me hopw to fix that
18:23.37burne-:(
18:25.32Zyff'whyyyy.jpg'
18:25.33ZyffI lol'd
18:26.16burne-its sad dont laugh :(
18:27.45burne-I serisoly think I didnt do anything wrong
18:27.52burne-its the editor messing with me again
18:28.30ZyffMINDFUCK
18:28.43burne-im trying some timps from forums
18:30.14burne-better just to redo on another mapo
18:30.17burne-cant figure it out
18:30.48burne-good thing im obsessed to save same map 50 times
18:30.52burne-and sometimes on different names
18:31.36Zyfflol
18:36.36Zyffso burne-
18:36.42Zyffwhen should I revamp your terrain
18:37.17burne-never
18:37.44burne-I havent even really seen your work so much that I would even know you can terrain
18:37.57burne-and I dont care about my terrain
18:38.00ZyffI would just give it a try !
18:38.01burne-thats the main reason really
18:38.05Zyffyou got 49 other saves
18:45.57wOlfLinGHey guys, check out the mentoring scheme i've recently set up! http://forums.sc2mapster.com/general/general-chat/21254-mapster-mentoring/
18:47.28ZyffHelral is a mentor ?
18:47.30Zyffwe are doomed
18:47.46KuekenI would say we are meowed
18:47.57Kuekenkittuned?
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18:48.10Zyffkittuns is at a public quiz
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18:56.10burne-btw zyff
18:56.17burne-you can give tips to me if you want
18:56.23burne-and i can try to improve terrain myself
18:56.24burne-^^
18:56.43Zyffmesh up, add foliage/doodad
18:56.49Zyffelevation
18:57.21burne-i dont want to add elevation though
18:58.02Zyffhttp://static0.hln.be/static/FOTO/pe/18/12/4/album_large_4165369.jpg
18:58.09Zyffwhy no elevation
18:58.25ZyffI never seen a rally on a flat blank same colord map
18:58.33burne-cause it can mess up the driving
18:58.40burne-so have to be careful with that
18:59.34burne-cant make the crowd face right direction, but probly cant do anything about that :/
18:59.46burne-Im using waypoint system to make the wander
18:59.53burne-the waypoint system is super useful
18:59.59burne-great guy who made it ^^
19:02.59burne-mm now i got interesting situation going
19:03.03burne-the missiles also go towars civilians
19:03.07burne-i mean the homing ones
19:03.12burne-should I disable that?
19:03.53ZyffNah
19:04.00ZyffThat's cool stuff.
19:04.08burne-it does look nice, but if you wana hit other cars can be trouble
19:04.09ZyffPeople need too decide now if they go for the random bonus on those
19:04.13ZyffOr killing an enemy
19:04.32ZyffCan't you prioritise the players if in range ?
19:04.40burne-I guess I could
19:04.41ZyffAlso.. Make a healthbar on top of the cars hovering
19:04.46ZyffSo you see when someone took dmg etc
19:04.47Zyffafk
19:04.56ZyffAlso, add me in the credits of that map
19:05.03ZyffI invented you last 5 days progress ffs
19:05.05ZyffSLACKER
19:05.07burne-lol
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19:05.23burne-maybe I will maybe I wont
19:05.24burne-:)
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19:05.46burne-Ill add to loading screen if i remember
19:05.56nolliepoperHow do I export a dds
19:06.00nolliepoperit won't let me
19:07.12nolliepoperAnyone know how to export files, I need to change a command card button
19:07.48Kuekenyou have the issue when itb tries to export as .dds*.. or sth?
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19:08.11Kuekenor you do not know how to export at all?
19:08.56nolliepoperI saw .dds*..
19:09.16nolliepoperI need to to do a quick image mirror on 2 command card buttons
19:09.21Kuekenthats a stragne thing, I dunno what exactly cause this
19:09.30nolliepoperis that difficult?
19:09.33Kuekentry do export from different locations
19:09.42Kuekenfor example
19:09.47Kuekenfrom the previewer
19:10.00Kuekenor from the data field where you add the .dds
19:10.12Kuekenor open console and type browse
19:10.20Kuekenone of them usually works
19:10.36Kuekenif not, restart editor and try again
19:11.12nolliepoperbe a little more specific.
19:11.18nolliepoperwhich console
19:11.53Kuekenwindow -> console
19:12.02Kuekenalt + `
19:12.05nolliepoperthat didn't do anything
19:12.12nolliepoperbut I was int he import window
19:12.54Kuekenwell, you can export an icon with right click -> export
19:13.10Kuekenyou just need to be in a menu, where you can actually select that icon file
19:13.25Kuekenand sometimes it bugs and won't let you export
19:13.48Kuekenbut there are multiple menus where you can select and export the files
19:14.27Kuekenlike the previewer, or a data field, where you can select the files, or the browser you can open from the console
19:14.50nolliepoperI'm in the active browser
19:15.09Kuekenwhat you mean?
19:15.28nolliepoperthe export command doesn't work
19:15.35nolliepopercan I just turn a tga into a dds?
19:15.51Kuekenyes, there should be converters
19:15.52nolliepoperbecause it let me save the image as a tga
19:15.55Kuekengoogle
19:15.57nolliepoperno
19:16.03nolliepoperon the editor
19:16.10Kuekenno
19:16.14nolliepoperI don't want my command card to be a image but the dds buttons they have.
19:16.31Kueken??
19:16.37Kuekendds is an image format
19:16.45KuekenI don't quite get your problem
19:17.17nolliepoperThe normal buttons already in star2 lightup when you use them and a few extra things
19:17.36nolliepoperif you use a image converted to .dds they don't do anything when used
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19:17.53Kuekenthats probably because they are missing transparency
19:17.57UloseTheGameHey Sixen, you haven't forgotten?
19:18.27Kuekenthe usual buttons are transparent where it shows black
19:18.43Kuekenso other effects behind the actual image can be seen
19:20.49Sixenforgotten what
19:23.06burne-Sixen: news my project while your at it
19:23.39Zyffyou call it a project ?
19:23.43Zyffaint you ashamed
19:23.56Sixenburne-: link
19:24.18burne-http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/project-workplace/21235-star-drivers-sc2-driving-game/#p1
19:24.39burne-might as well promote it now that I made video for it
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19:25.13Sixenhah, cool stuff.
19:25.15Sixenwill do
19:25.19burne-ty
19:25.32ZyffIt would be cool with random stuff and better terrain
19:25.36ZyffBadumtish !
19:25.47burne-im slowly working on it all zyff
19:25.55burne-rome was not build in 1 day!
19:26.21ZyffI hate that line
19:27.15UloseTheGameSixen, by the way, News the new tutorial blizzard made
19:27.47UloseTheGameIt makes you go holy shit WTF but it's so informative O_O
19:28.23burne-whats it about?
19:28.34Kuekenlink pls
19:29.00Zyffhttp://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/2723735#blog
19:29.02Zyfflazy fuc
19:29.15burne-lol
19:29.16Kuekensure :)
19:29.21UloseTheGamehttp://us.battle.net/sc2/en/game/maps-and-mods/tutorials/missile-movers/
19:29.26burne-i already love driving over people
19:30.02UloseTheGamelol it's really cool, but it WILL make your brain hurt if you dont work with data at a high level
19:30.07burne-with the sound effects + visuals its funny
19:30.15UloseTheGameI do that, so it only makes it tingle :D
19:30.45burne-Its a bout time they do tutorial on movers
19:30.46ZyffI don't get Blizzard, but who does
19:30.49burne-they are soooo anoying
19:30.56Zyffthey make a tutorial about making a cliff and painting terrain
19:31.06Kuekenwow, so they actually decided to release a tutorial with stuff not everyone already knows about :D
19:31.07Zyffthen they post how to change some hardcore data stuff for a missile
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19:31.58burne-but I doubt i will ever touch movers again
19:32.02burne-they frighten me
19:33.05UloseTheGamelol
19:33.36UloseTheGamek i'll see ya guys
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19:50.17Dekar-slaps Helral|Afk around a bit with a large trout
19:50.30Dekar-hello mentor sir
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20:15.32burne-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGeKSiCQkPw&feature=topvideos_entertainment
20:15.33burne-oh man
20:15.37burne-Im watching it again
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20:21.08Mexaevening y'all
20:21.35Nash|327MEXAFACE YOU SUCK
20:22.18burne-GTS could be quite nice if I know implemented this stuff to it
20:22.21burne-driving over people
20:22.24burne-:/
20:22.45Mexathrows a smelly Kittun at Nashface
20:23.38Nash|327KITTUN
20:24.04Nash|327You are forgiven. For now.
20:30.51burne-Zyff: added your name to loading screen
20:30.54burne-and blub too
20:30.54burne-^^
20:31.52Nash|327burne
20:32.00burne-yea
20:32.11Nash|327Was it you that made the map with combos?
20:32.19burne-indeed
20:32.30Nash|327How the hell did you make a jump like that :G
20:32.45burne-there is unlocked map of it somewhere on mapster
20:32.55burne-I might not do it like that anymore, but you can check it out if you want
20:32.59Nash|327oh, nifty
20:33.25Nash|327I tried a while back to make a blink based one :G
20:33.27burne-I guess you could say its my contribution to community -_-
20:33.30Nash|327with launch missile
20:33.36Stewoxhey
20:33.39burne-I pretty much only use triggers
20:33.41Nash|327failed :/
20:34.38Nash|327can you jump to locations that aren't visible?
20:34.42Blub\w21:17:40  nolliepoper | if you use a image converted to .dds they don't do anything when used
20:34.51burne-its non targer spell for me
20:34.51Blub\wnolliepoper: because the image is not transparent
20:34.55burne-so yea...
20:34.59burne-sorta
20:35.03Nash|327oh crap :G
20:35.07Blub\wnolliepoper: if you want the buttonborder etc, your image must be transparent, instead of a black background
20:35.30Blub\w21:15:32  nolliepoper | the export command doesn't work                                                                                        Ã¢Â”‚ Nash|327      
20:35.32Nash|327maybe can modify it using pathing cost as a condition though
20:35.32Blub\w21:15:39  nolliepoper | can I just turn a tga into a dds?  
20:35.47Blub\wnolliepoper: my GIMP lets me save images as DDS
20:36.08Blub\wnolliepoper: the export save window fails, but there's a way around:
20:36.17Blub\wnolliepoper: make an empty file with the name you want to export to
20:36.44Blub\wnolliepoper: eg. you want to export as "foo.dds", copy some random file and name it foo.dds
20:36.55Blub\wnolliepoper: then in the export menu, double-click foo.dds, and it will ask if you want to overwrite it
20:36.58Blub\wnolliepoper: click yes, and it will work
20:37.02Blub\wnolliepoper: at least it works for me
20:37.17Blub\wnolliepoper: I can't save normally because of the .dds.* issue, but I can overwrite existing files
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20:37.27Blub\wnolliepoper: so I end up doing 'touch blah.dds' in a shell, then doubleclicking that
20:37.44Blub\wburne-: cool ^^
20:38.32Nash|327I found this: http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/tutorials/12722-data-trigger-free-leap/
20:38.35Nash|327:o
20:38.42Blub\wNash|327: launch-missle jump?
20:39.06Blub\wNash|327: http://blub.sdf-eu.org/cnr/Rocket%20Scientist.SC2Map
20:39.20Blub\wnot sure what you mean exactly, but in catch'n'run there's a "jump" ability for the reaper builder
20:39.25Blub\wI made this map because in cnr it was bugged :P
20:39.39Blub\wbasically, an ability that lets you, as a reaper, jump somewhere =P
20:39.47Blub\wI think this version of the file has no animation set
20:39.53Blub\wbut the basic jumping works
20:40.18Blub\wand the mvoer has no "ignore terrain" option so it can get stuck on cliffs - also no timeout
20:41.23Blub\wNash|327: pure data btw
20:41.29Mexahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEjcK5JFEFE some interesting stuff about chip music
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20:41.45Blub\wNash|327: ah, yes, like in that image
20:41.49Blub\werr video
20:41.56Blub\w/ forum thread
20:41.58Blub\w^^
20:42.04Blub\woff now, cu ^^
20:44.32burne-what is chip music?!
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20:45.57Nash|327Well when I tried it back in August there weren't so many solutions already out :o
20:46.11Nash|327Now it should be much easier.
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20:54.17Mexaburne- retrolike music
20:54.28Nash|3278 bit nonsense
20:54.29MexaNES, SNES, Mega drive for instance
20:54.47MexaIt's not 8bit in particular
20:54.54Nash|327LIES
20:54.59Nash|327STOP SUCKING
20:55.06Mexago to hell
20:55.12Nash|327YOUR KITTUN OFFERINGS CAN ONLY BUY YOU SO MUCH LENIENCY D:
20:55.18Mexalol
20:57.46Nash|327D:~~
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20:59.36Nash|327puts a baboon hat on Mexa
21:00.24burne-I like chip music
21:00.27burne-:)
21:01.39Stewoxguys
21:01.45Stewoxwho is handicap working
21:01.47Stewoxit's a bit weird
21:01.52Nash|327who?
21:01.55Mexahttp://www.collegehumor.com/video/6376928/worlds-biggest-baby-plays-kind-of-scary-videogame
21:01.59Stewoxwhy it's only negative handicap and not positibe
21:02.05Stewoxlike 150% or 200%
21:02.24Stewoxso if i chhose 50% this means player will be 50% weaker than normal or stronger '
21:02.54Nash|327Handicap sets a percentage of maximum health for all units
21:03.11Nash|32750% would mean a Hydralisk has 40 life
21:03.18Nash|327200% is 160
21:04.31Stewoxno
21:04.39Stewoxstupid Bnet doesn't allow over 100%
21:04.43Stewoxthat's useless
21:04.50Stewoxtnx anyway
21:05.02Nash|327B.net doesn't.
21:05.04Nash|327Triggers do.
21:06.00MexaI'd hide the option to do all things in the lobby, and have a setup in the beginning of the map
21:06.16MexaAs they tend to be messy in particulary when joining a game directly
21:06.20MexaAnd also locked
21:10.00burne-haha
21:10.13burne-funny how someone typed WTF? in the bliz mover tutorial
21:10.30burne-it really seems like they should have added that in launch
21:10.42burne-im kinda pissed how much time I spend tryint to understand movers
21:14.42Kuekenthey should take the tutorial and put it directly into the field's tooltips
21:14.49burne-indeed
21:14.57Kuekenand similar for every single data field out there
21:15.12burne-I wish they will implement wizard someday
21:15.17Kuekendreams...
21:15.24burne-wizars for creating units and abilities and other stuff
21:15.29Mexawhat tutorial?
21:15.51Kuekennew one blizzard released
21:15.52Nash|327kittun bagging for dummies
21:15.54Kuekenabout movers
21:16.13Mexamissile movers?
21:16.18Kuekenyes
21:16.33Mexaah
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21:19.13Bountyhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYFzzgpw6fM
21:19.16Bounty=P
21:20.22Mexathat missile mover tutorial... wooah
21:22.14MexaBounty, that looks cool, tho the music and models, are they from wow?
21:22.25Bountymusic is from d2, models are from wow yes
21:22.56MexaAh yeah
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21:23.08MexaDiablo 2 <3
21:24.12MexaYou got the atmosphere just right I think-
21:24.18Bounty><
21:24.19Bountyty
21:24.31Mexanou <>
21:24.34Bountytrying to make it look nothing like sc2
21:26.11Helral|AfkBounty: where is the god of Deceit?
21:26.34BountyWell Helral, i cant have EVERY single god ever thought up
21:26.35Bountylol
21:26.43Helral|AfkLoki :)
21:26.49MexaAnd one like Apollo :p
21:26.59BountyI think 8 is enough
21:27.05Bounty6 abilities each
21:27.16Helral|Afkyou really need a Jester god ;p for those who just wanna have fun *grins*
21:27.23Bountyand im trying to make each one play like a totally differant game
21:27.30MexaI demand Hugin and Mumin!!!
21:27.35Bountylike, Creation will require micro =P
21:27.41Bountybc... well... ull be creating shit
21:27.47Helral|AfkMexa: sure you can demand.
21:27.56MexaBut with no avail?
21:27.56Helral|Afkyou won't get it but you can demand ;p
21:28.10Mexalols.
21:28.32Helral|Afk:)
21:28.58Mexale gasps
21:29.19Helral|Afkingame screenie of my map: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13276752/Screenshot2011-05-03%2022_56_09.jpg
21:29.42MexaIs that a newer version?
21:30.25BountyI didnt know you made maps Helral
21:30.29Mexawould be nice with some frames or so on the bottom to make it look more aligned
21:30.30Helral|Afkwell made the screeny today ;p
21:30.34BountyI though you just came in here and meow
21:30.42Helral|Afkyeah need to have someone make me some frames for that.
21:31.24Helral|Afkalready got someone working on the background frames for the minimap and targeting panel ;p
21:31.49Morshuanyone know of a component list tool? for directly editing it, merging map resources or anything else
21:32.51Helral|Afkuhm... notepad?
21:32.59Helral|Afkow.
21:33.04Helral|AfkMPQ editor ;p
21:33.12MexaYou coudl always save the map as a folder, and then use subersion or similar as source control.
21:33.49MexaTho afaik, I think maps have collaboration mode available already
21:35.16MexaLooking at the overwiev manager you can create "sections" of the map
21:35.31MexaParticular useful if you are a group which is working on the map
21:35.42MexaAnd then it has a merging feature I think
21:36.01MexaNot sure about the reliability though...
21:38.49Morshu@ Helral i've been editing the xml. i mean a tool that would make merging less tedious, or allow the use of templates, etc
21:39.03Morshuthanks Mexa
21:39.44Helral|Afkhehehe
21:39.54Helral|Afkno idea then ;p perhaps what Mexa suggests ;p
21:40.30Morshuthanks anyway though
21:41.07Mexahttp://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/tutorials/13141-editor-how-to-use-sections/ this tutorial might help you abit further
21:41.11Helral|Afkbtw Bounty
21:41.11Morshumaking a template/wizard/macro program and i'm just wanting to see if something like this already exists
21:42.09MexaLooks like sections seems to be a good way
21:42.49MexaAnd if that isn't going to be enough, enhance the project further with the usage of subversion revision control.
21:44.36Helral|Afkwell nn all I'm off
21:44.56Helral|Afkgoes to take a nap.
21:45.15Morshugreat tutorial on that, thanks :)
21:46.47Morshuit'll be just me on the project. hadnt thought of source control though
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21:48.02Mexaah alright
21:48.21MexaIt's still good if you want to split up the project :)
21:53.36Mexa~seen Stragus
21:53.48purlstragus <~maloeran@glvortex.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 67d 9h 22m 31s ago, saying: 'Toadstool?'.
21:54.04Mexapft, 67 days
21:54.14Morshui'm surprised that there doesnt seem to be any existing tools for wizards
21:54.29SixenWhat about Witches?
21:54.30Morshuseems like a very common complaint
21:54.44Morshuhaha
21:54.49SixenAll joking aside, what are you looking to make a wizard for?
21:54.53SixenUI? Unit/hero creation?
21:55.20Morshupretty much anything for the data editor that could be considered tedious or exacting
21:55.26SixenMaking different templates/wizards was something i've been considering doing for a while, in my own third partye ditor
21:55.29Morshubut yeah
21:55.54Zyff~seen burne
21:55.55purli haven't seen 'burne', Zyff
21:55.59Morshuis that editor out now?
21:56.05Zyff~seen burne-
21:56.06purlburne- <d9186e73@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.24.110.115> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 40m 42s ago, saying: 'wizars for creating units and abilities and other stuff'.
21:56.06SixenNuh uh, just something i've been toying with.
21:56.13SixenI'll probably finish it over the Summer. I think, :X
21:56.16Morshuah
21:56.20SixenI need to redo it all, my code is horrendous.
21:56.21Morshunice :)
21:56.53SixenEssentially, it'll open your map and allow you to do Galaxy Scripting and raw XML Data editing with ease. Also thinking about some minor terrain masking tools.
21:57.11Sixenhttp://www.sixen.org/bnet/geo.png -- like that. Though, that's old, but it gets the point across.
21:58.06Morshuthat's pretty much just what i've been wanting
21:58.12Sixen;)
21:58.29SixenWhat'd you plan on writing it in?
21:58.58MexaSixen, a third party editor?
21:59.01Morshuand i kept thinking that there must be some huge limitation i'm not seeing that's keeping a tool like this from not being made already
21:59.27SixenWell yeah Morshu, the GalaxyEditor. Most people don't want to bother raw XML Data editing, but... I see huge advantages to it :P
21:59.28Morshuc# if it was just for my own use, not exactly sure if released otherwise
21:59.34SixenYeah, I wrote that in C# :)
21:59.46MexaBleh
21:59.49Morshui love the language. good stuff
21:59.50SixenMexa yarly
21:59.56MexaI'd do so, if I ever knew how to read and write MPQs
22:00.16SixenThat's why I need to redo my code. This was the first C# app i've ever done, let alone r/w MPQ's.
22:00.35SixenYour eyes would bleed
22:00.42MexaDid you use the stormLib for it?
22:02.14Morshuthe code would most likely be better than any of mine haha, i havent been coding very long. but it is fun
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22:03.06Morshubut ya it seems like they've tried pretty hard to make the actual editor unextensible
22:08.31Mexa@Sixen, and why is your editor not public .__?
22:10.16Nash|327I feel tired :/
22:12.16SixenIt's incomplete
22:12.17Sixen;\
22:12.20Mephssixen
22:12.23Sixensups
22:12.31Mephson a scale from 1 to exemplary fanboi what are you
22:12.52Sixenwhy don't you tell me
22:12.52Mephsalso, q&a shit
22:13.00Sixenq&a would be fun
22:13.18Mephsi want to set up projects and then have ppl suggest the next episode's project
22:13.25Mephstaht way i can squeeze things into an hour session
22:13.38Sixenyar, Corbo was doing something like that with models and artsy stuff in the editor a while ago
22:13.40SixenI think it'd work well
22:13.50Mephslike something to start off would be reproducing the "brush" mechanic in LoL
22:13.53Mephsbut in sc2
22:13.58Sixenyarly
22:14.01Mephsand then ppl could ask to see so'n'so
22:14.07Mephsand we could have funday mondays where we do bizarre shit
22:14.18Mephsand noobie toosdays where we teach people how to add a unit
22:14.37Mephsand...friendsday wednesday where we find a friend and film the naughty things we do in our rooms together
22:14.38Sixenhah yarly
22:14.54SixenBut I mean, Day9 is super dedicated to his stuff, would you be able to do it all?
22:14.54Mephsand herpes thursday
22:14.56Mexawait, what are you two talking about?
22:14.59Mephsme?
22:15.00Mephsno
22:15.03Sixenoh
22:15.05Mephsand i refuse to put my face on camera
22:15.07SixenI thought you were saying you'd be doing it
22:15.08Sixenlol
22:15.11Mephsor emit personality
22:15.13Mephswell i can do it
22:15.17Mephsjust not exactly like day9
22:15.25SixenAs much as I would want to do something like that, I just don't have time, between school, the sites, and stfuf
22:15.34SixenI could certainl help
22:15.42Mephsi think it'd make more sense to have a rotation
22:15.48Mephshave certain people do specific days
22:15.50MephsOH I GOT IT
22:15.53MephsTERRAINING THURSDAY
22:16.00Mephswe lern to make pretty maps
22:16.11Sixenhah, Triggering Tuesday
22:16.18MephsFuck You Friday
22:16.21MephsNO SHOW
22:16.24Sixenlawl
22:16.36Mephswe just play an hour of nyan cat
22:16.49Mephsanyway, but thats the basic idea.
22:16.53Mephswe can just do a 5 day sprint
22:17.00Mephsi think someone like mozared could do terraining _____
22:17.00Morshuwizard wednesday :(
22:17.12Mexafor each day from today o.O?
22:17.18Mephsi can do the advanced data shit
22:17.34Mephsand actor work tutorials so people stop making shitty abilities
22:17.47Mephsno i mean
22:17.49Mephswe'd do mon-fri
22:17.53Mephsand sat/sun no show
22:17.59Mephsand just have a theme to stick to
22:18.02Mexaand this you would do every week?
22:18.06Mephsyah.
22:18.16Mephsnot just me...
22:18.18MexaIf you manage to hold on that
22:18.20Mephsi can do at least 2-3 days
22:18.26Mephsi can't do terraining
22:18.32Mephsbut everything else is good
22:18.46Mephsso i like the idea of a day specific to triggering
22:18.50Mephs(tuesday)
22:18.52Nash|327gonna go sleep D:
22:19.06Mexashoul've been scripting sunday or saturday ._.
22:19.12MexaBye Nash!
22:19.21Mephsif someone wants to pitch in a sat/sunday sure
22:19.23Nash|327kthx
22:19.27Mephsi need to go to church
22:19.32Mephsand atone for my sins on sunday though
22:19.43Mexaoh
22:19.45Mephsand on saturday i am out sinning
22:19.46Mephsso i can't
22:19.54Mexalols
22:19.56Sixenhmm
22:19.58MexaSounds busy then.
22:19.58SixenI like the idea.
22:20.51Mephsso until we get volunteers
22:20.56Mephsi'll do it
22:21.14Mephsi think an hour is manageable
22:21.24MexaI could've signed up for scripting, but I am very unsure I would be able to handle it myself.
22:21.53MexaIn particular due to a pretty sluggish accent.
22:22.05Mephswell i'm american
22:22.09MexaExactly
22:22.16MexaAnd I am swedish
22:22.19Mexaso:p
22:22.21Mephsi sound like i have a mcwhopper in my mouth all the time
22:22.26Mephsand i dont care
22:22.35Mephsbecause i do
22:22.46MexaI didnt complain
22:23.04Mephsso uhh...what can we theme monday
22:23.08Mephstuesday = triggering
22:23.12MexaYou sound mature so, that's better
22:23.14Mephsthursday = terraining
22:23.28Mephswednesday = homoeroticism
22:23.31Mephsi dont know.
22:23.34Sixenlol mephs
22:23.48Mexawaldo.
22:23.54Mephsmonday could be...uhh
22:24.00Mephsmactor monday
22:24.11Sixenmcdouble monday
22:24.39Mephswell i guess mon/wed could just be generic data days
22:24.41Mexamodel monday?
22:24.48Mexa*modelling
22:24.53Mephsfriday = noob day?
22:25.15Mexashould've had a texturing day too
22:25.20Mephsthat'd be terraining
22:25.30Mephsnow where's mozared
22:25.30Mexafair enough.
22:25.42Mephsso i can force him into this slavery
22:26.06Mexaweapons wednesday
22:26.09Mexaor something
22:26.18Mephsyou can cover weapons in like 1 hr.
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22:26.21Mephsthat'd be data :p
22:26.28Mexaq_q
22:26.31UloseTheGameHey Mephs
22:26.32UloseTheGamesup?
22:26.36UloseTheGamehello Eccho
22:26.44Mephshi
22:26.44Mexahey there lightning
22:27.00Mexadid I get that right?
22:27.52MexaAlso Mephs, just because you are so almighty and know everything about Data already doesn't mean we others do
22:28.05MexaSo yeah, weapons might be easy
22:28.10MexaBut that's also easy for you to say
22:28.14UloseTheGameBut of course Eccho
22:28.15MexaAbout everything
22:28.23Mephswell
22:28.31Mephsall you really have to do in most cases is edit the weapon's effect.
22:28.35Mephswhich is the same as making an ability
22:28.55MexaIf you say so then :p
22:29.24UloseTheGameMephs did you see the movers tutorials?
22:30.27nolliepoperI didn't understand them worth a damn.
22:30.56Mephsyeah
22:30.57MexaI think you will if you put alot of effort in reading all of it
22:30.58Mephsgood shit
22:31.00nolliepoperbut at least mac and corn chips is yummy
22:31.06Mephsi actually understand them now
22:31.13Mephswhere before i did not understand them
22:31.22UloseTheGamelol rly?
22:31.28Mephswell i had general idaes
22:31.35Mephsit was mostly the vague fields i had no idea what they did
22:31.46UloseTheGameI saw movers I was wtf parabolas, im learning that in algebra 1!
22:32.00UloseTheGamelol
22:32.05Mephsyea the throws in my game are parabola movers
22:32.09UloseTheGameour teacher calls it rocket science
22:32.19nolliepoperwait till you have to learn hyperbolic equations
22:32.23UloseTheGame:D
22:32.29UloseTheGamewhat's that algebra 2?
22:32.32nolliepopersinh(x) is one
22:32.35nolliepoperclac2
22:32.37nolliepopercalc2
22:32.45UloseTheGameah lol
22:32.54UloseTheGameso universidad?
22:33.09Mephswait till you have to learn adhd equations
22:33.23nolliepoperwhat does adhd stand for?
22:33.31Mephsattention deficit hyperactive disorder
22:33.41nolliepoperI'm sure those have equations..
22:34.12UloseTheGameLol how does adhd have equationa
22:34.13Mephsthey do
22:34.14Mephs48÷2(9+3)
22:34.15Mephsgo
22:34.32UloseTheGameI have adhd, am I math?
22:34.42UloseTheGameDoes this occur in medical science?
22:34.47UloseTheGameor what?
22:34.54UloseTheGameMephs what is your field?
22:35.10Mephsi'm a phd in rocket proctology
22:35.37UloseTheGamelol what is rocket proctology?
22:35.45Mephsthis is why i'm a phd
22:35.49Mephsand you're a lowly undergrad
22:35.53UloseTheGame:F
22:36.03UloseTheGameMephs, what is a proctologist?
22:36.14Mephswe form proctologies
22:36.17Mephsabout things
22:36.22UloseTheGameHaha you've just got more years under your belt
22:36.30UloseTheGameAnd wtf is a proctology
22:36.36Mephssomething a proctologist formulates
22:36.37JademusSregHahaha
22:36.52nolliepoperanyways losethegame any polynomial with the highest exponent even will be a parabola
22:37.25UloseTheGameSo in other words you're trolling me about the definition of a proctologist
22:37.32Mephsyou just lost the game
22:37.45nolliepoperI'm pretty sure Mephs is trollin
22:37.56UloseTheGameI tell people this all the time, I cannot lose the game, because I AM the game
22:38.09Mephslose yourself
22:38.12Mexathe game is a lie.
22:38.15nolliepoperhe lost his mind
22:38.22MexaI never really believed in 4chan rant.
22:38.47UloseTheGameWell I can get lost, but unless you dumped me somewhere in the rainforests of brazil, I would not have lost the game
22:38.58Mephsbrazil doesn't have any rainforests
22:39.00Mephsdoes it?
22:39.04Mephsgoogle?
22:39.05UloseTheGamelol Fourchan is 4ever
22:39.15UloseTheGame4chan is truth
22:39.18UloseTheGame4chan is legion
22:39.25UloseTheGame4chan is anonymous
22:39.26Mephs4chan is where faggotry is minted, and inflation is on the rise
22:39.28Mexawhatever
22:39.36UloseTheGame:D
22:40.29MexaHmm
22:40.36MexaI shoudl go and play Braid
22:40.38MexaLater!
22:40.50nolliepoperhes losing everygame
22:40.56UloseTheGameTechnically mephs there are no rainforests in Brazil but there are brazils in rainforests :D
22:41.26UloseTheGameNollie, how is your Debates clone btw :D
22:41.40Mephshttp://chzmemeafterdark.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/88c44e81-e1cd-460f-8889-86c87468e3db.jpg
22:42.41UloseTheGame:)
22:42.41nolliepoperno one would clone a bad game haha
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22:43.19Mephsi'm working on mafia word wars
22:43.44nolliepoperisn't that dark revs map?
22:43.49JademusSregHaha.
22:43.49UloseTheGameAh is a game bad because it is niche, or is it the fault of the audience? Are we not ready for Debates? I think not
22:44.02Mephsyou have to kill hookers and whores by typing "hookers" or "whores" asap
22:44.05nolliepoperdebates is boring
22:44.09Mephsi think it'll stay on page 1 for a long time
22:44.20UloseTheGameWait which is more anticipated? Mafia Word Wars or Debates of the Ancient?
22:44.28ZyffMephs that's so sad but true
22:44.41Zyffit's retarted what nonsense you gotta make to be popular
22:44.52Mephsmeh
22:44.53nolliepoperI played mafia at a party and it was boring
22:45.02nolliepoperthe best part was the creativity of the story teller.
22:45.08Mephsthe thing is the only maps that stay at the top have been there since beta practically
22:45.22UloseTheGameRight because the list never changes
22:45.49ZyffIf it was still WC3 I would bother
22:45.50UloseTheGamehowever, I have an opinion similar to the great philosopher Vexal
22:45.53Zyffbut currently I'm 'meh'
22:46.07Mephsif you want to hit a top spot
22:46.14Mephsmake sure your game is familiar, anyone can play it, and its long
22:46.42UloseTheGameVexal stated just that Mephs
22:46.54Mephsvexal makes td
22:46.58Mephshis opinion is invalid
22:47.02UloseTheGamethe games on top are games that fit the majority of the audience happy
22:47.12UloseTheGamebecause in this game, the law of large numbers rules
22:47.16Sixenlol meph
22:47.41Mephsi saw some TD promo vid on the front page of mapster once
22:47.44Mephsit was hilarious
22:47.53Mephsits all zooming in on a tower like NEVER BEFORE SEEN TOWERS
22:47.53UloseTheGameLotr, Smashcraft, Rodrigo Collection, Star Strikers, all of these are great games in their own right, but they cannot hit top for reasons such as
22:47.56UloseTheGameLotr: Too niche
22:47.58Mephs*laser*
22:48.03UloseTheGameSmashcraft: Too short
22:48.10UloseTheGameRodrigo C
22:48.28UloseTheGameCollection: too niche, hard to learn, dont sound appealing, new
22:48.28Mephsis that where you write object oriented debates?
22:48.32Mephsoh
22:48.39UloseTheGameLOL
22:48.48UloseTheGameThat was really funny
22:48.56Mephsi wish i could write code by arguing with the computer
22:48.56ZyffEveryone calls Smashcraft a bad bloodline champion
22:48.58Mephsthat'd be sick
22:49.05UloseTheGameStar Strikers, too short, not enough publicity
22:49.08ZyffEventho SM got cooler looking spells and it plays faster
22:49.10Mephsyou smokin?  i've been told numerous times its better :p
22:49.15UloseTheGame:D
22:49.27UloseTheGameZyff just chats with regular battle net players
22:49.28ZyffMephs I know you the guy behind it and I don't agree on them
22:49.37ZyffIt's just annoying how hard it is
22:49.38Mephsi'm just sayin i've heard 50 & 50
22:49.41Zyffto get respect
22:49.42UloseTheGamethe kind who dont do chat channels, play melee and play only nexus wars customs
22:49.54UloseTheGamethey make up 69.856% of the population
22:49.54Mephsbut i've heard two sides of it
22:50.03Mephs2.0 will fix a lot of the noob-unfriendliness that drives ppl away
22:50.06ZyffYeah, but those guys make your map on top
22:50.17nolliepoperso melee players don't do what about chat channels?
22:50.18ZyffMephs will 2.0 be EU too ?
22:50.19Mephszyff, look at the maps on page 1
22:50.19UloseTheGameof the World
22:50.24ZyffI'm EU
22:50.26Mephswho cares
22:50.36Mephsmarine arena and nexus wars are perma page 1
22:50.39ZyffI've seen 'Nexus' and 'Income Wars' and 'Mafia' for 6months now
22:50.41Mephsthat tells you a lot about the integrity
22:50.52JademusSregEvery few months I forget hat I've played Nexus Wars, start playing it, then remeber I hate that shit.
22:51.01ZyffAnd some TD with 3 towers and 40waves >_>
22:51.05Mephszyff:  yeah EU will get 2.0 too
22:51.06UloseTheGameMafia is actually a GOOD game
22:51.13nolliepoperEnter team liquid chat channel and say melee players don't use chat
22:51.19Mephsmafia is like debates its a social/facebook game
22:51.22UloseTheGameit's actually the ONLY good game on the top page if you select all instead of custom
22:51.41Stewoxgusy
22:51.42UloseTheGameotherwise, you can count Heaven's last stand as really good also
22:51.46Mephschat channels are essential to sustaining a niche community
22:51.59Stewoxvespene gysers regenerate if not on creep
22:52.03Stewoxis this a bug ?
22:52.20JademusSregHwaht?
22:52.26Zyffcheck if it requires it in data
22:52.33Mephsbut then again before chat channels teamliquid has a 1000 person irc channel as well
22:52.50Zyffdo TL promote custom in any way ?
22:52.59MephsTL promotes custom melee maps
22:53.12Mephslike their custom map section is 90% melee maps
22:53.26Mephsthey have that shit down to a science though
22:53.31Mephsso for the melee enthusiast they can learn a lot
22:53.44UloseTheGameNollie
22:53.48Mephsthats where the iccup guys hang out
22:53.48UloseTheGamelink me to the TL irc
22:53.51UloseTheGamei wanna check it out
22:54.06UloseTheGameand also i need to find some legacy sc1 players who played a lot of ums
22:54.11Sixenfor what
22:54.12UloseTheGamedont worry about it
22:54.18UloseTheGamejust where can I find it?
22:54.27Sixen?
22:54.28Mephsand now i guess rodrigo camps the team liquid forums lately
22:54.38Mephswhat's so ironic about it is that rodrigo doesn't have a lick of melee experience
22:54.45Sixenwell, he made that icjugs
22:54.51Mephsgimme a break
22:54.52Sixenicboobs
22:54.54UloseTheGameHe's getting better actually
22:54.55Mephsits a crapshoot for popularity
22:55.01UloseTheGameNope
22:55.02SixenProbably, but he still made it :P
22:55.03UloseTheGameMephs
22:55.08Mephshow hard it is it
22:55.09UloseTheGamelisten to MY story
22:55.10Mephsto take melee maps
22:55.15UloseTheGamehere's what happened
22:55.15Mephsand slap an observer feature on it
22:55.19SixenMaking 'em isn't hard, but balancing is rough
22:55.26Mephsbalancing WHAT
22:55.29Mephsyou dont have to balance anything
22:55.37SixenHas to be completely symmetric, and you have to take into account the map size, where expos are
22:55.38Mephsthe map is already balanced
22:55.38Sixensure you do
22:55.39UloseTheGameRodrigo is close friend of the clan leader of Revoki
22:55.44Mephs...sixen
22:55.48Mephshe takes ALREADY DEVELOPED MAPS
22:55.58MephsBY BLIZZARD/GSL whatever
22:56.04Mephshe doesn't have to do any work
22:56.05UloseTheGamecall him what you wish but Rodrigo stumbled upon this "crapshoot for popularity" icjug quite by accident
22:56.07SixenI thought you said "make melee maps"
22:56.08SixenMisread
22:56.08Mephsjust the observer features
22:56.08Zyffand reskins them ?
22:56.13ZoxcRandomly generated Age of Empires maps ftw :D
22:56.23ZyffAoM all the way brah
22:56.25SixenMAKING melee maps, GOOD melee maps is hard :P
22:56.31Sixenlol Zoxc
22:56.32Mephsand ulose: not really, he saw how popular of a demand there was for the 1v1+obs maps
22:56.40UloseTheGameBasically, the leader of Revoki, ChiCaNeRy, also Sam Wang asked him
22:56.40Mephsand was like "i can beez popular" /make
22:56.50ZoxcYou actually have to explore there :D
22:56.56SixenAoE was awesome
22:56.59MexaHey mephs btw
22:57.06ZoxcAoE is awesome :D
22:57.09MexaThere might be a reason why EU players don't play smashcraft
22:57.15UloseTheGameMephs you have to listen, because i am the one who always looks for the information, I know for a fact ChiC asked him to create these maps
22:57.18JademusSregI'd still sooner play 1v1Obs than Rodrigo's map.
22:57.18Mephsbecause its bugged right now
22:57.22Mexayes
22:57.24JademusSregOn stubborn principle.
22:57.29Mephsi know
22:57.34UloseTheGameRodrigo is in it to promote NWW and Debates
22:57.38UloseTheGameJade
22:57.40MexaAlso, Bloodline Champions is developed by a swedish team
22:57.46MephsBLC is alright
22:57.49MexaI bet it reached more popularity in europe than in us
22:57.51UloseTheGameprinciple? I thought you liked quality
22:57.58Mephsthe design is kind of meh
22:58.03ZoxcToo bad AoE 2 dies with netplay, and AoE 3 bugs out with many units :(
22:58.04Mephslike
22:58.07JademusSreg=D
22:58.08ZyffBLC usually has 2-3k people online..
22:58.13Zyffaint that popular in EU
22:58.14MexaI don't see much difference in your design :c
22:58.20Mephs2-3k ppl isn't a lot
22:58.26UloseTheGameObs is horrible
22:58.29MexaFor an indie game it definitly is.
22:58.31Mephsfor a standalone game
22:58.37Mephsits funcom...that's not really indie
22:58.45UloseTheGameSixen
22:58.51UloseTheGamecan you link me to TL IRC
22:58.53Mephsand also for their business model (f2p with purchasable chars)
22:58.56Zyffin EU if you BLC alot you always end up fighting the same
22:59.07Mephscompare to league of legends
22:59.08MexaFuncom didn't develop BLC
22:59.12UloseTheGameSixen, I need to...well...find people who played sc1 lotr maps
22:59.13SixenI don't know the TL IRC
22:59.15SixenGo look on their website
22:59.16UloseTheGameohg
22:59.18Mephswhich probably has like 200k+ users online all the time
22:59.26Sixenprobably on quakenet or something
22:59.47MexaFuncom is only the publisher
23:00.05MexaIndie doesn't in particular mean independent publishing anymore.
23:01.08Mephsoh
23:01.11ZyffIRC Chat (4905 users)
23:01.12Zyffirc.quakenet.org #teamliquid
23:01.15Mephswell then sure i guess...
23:01.21ZyffUloseTheGame ^
23:01.24Mephsthere's a few distinct differences between smash and BLC anyway
23:01.40Mephsbecause namely i didn't even hear of BLC till someone said right out "this is kinda like BLC"
23:01.47MexaI see
23:01.52Mephsso things like the blocking mechanic, ammo, resource systems, dodging
23:01.56Mephsthose are 100% unique
23:02.09MexaWell also, I guess people would like BLC better since it is a separate game from the ground up
23:02.14Mephswell
23:02.20Mephsif i could make smash standalone i would
23:02.21Mephsfor sure
23:02.25Mexa:>
23:02.31Mephsjust to break free from the editor limitations
23:02.38Mephsand the bnet lag
23:02.44Mexayeah.
23:02.49Mephsbut also i could do a lot more with the game
23:03.05ZyffMephs why aint we doing so then
23:03.06Zyff;>
23:03.12Mephsresources.
23:03.17Mephsi need a dedicated modeller :(
23:03.21ZyffI know some people.
23:03.24Mephswell
23:03.31*** join/#sc2mapster UloseTheGame_ (44ad493a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.173.73.58)
23:03.33Mephsfyi, i was gonna upstart something
23:03.45UloseTheGame_Can you relink the url?
23:03.49Mephsif i could make the capital through some kind of phone app
23:03.49ZyffIRC Chat (4905 users)
23:03.49Zyffirc.quakenet.org #teamliquid
23:03.56UloseTheGame_irc.quake.org isn't working
23:04.00Mephslike a small scale studio
23:04.08UloseTheGame_whoops no net :P
23:04.13Zyffits irc.quakenet.org
23:04.15Mephsbut again, resources.  i need a team
23:04.21Mephsi can develop the engine tho
23:04.40ZyffMephs if you wan't I can ask around
23:04.53ZyffSome really good friend of mine works as a game developer in a small studio
23:05.01Mephswell
23:05.02Mephseither that
23:05.09ZyffWeb based games tho but he should know 'where too start'
23:05.13Mephsor if someone wants to pick me and a really talented 2d artist up
23:05.17UloseTheGame_thanks :D found it
23:05.22Zyff:)
23:05.26Mephsfor an upstart company likewise
23:05.35Mephsthat'd be easier for me, because i have no business sense
23:05.40Mephsi'm just a developer
23:05.44ZyffI'll pick you up.
23:06.02Mephswhat do you do?
23:06.04ZyffI give you a studio, glassfiber net and six core killer pc's
23:06.12Mephsfuck yeeeeeah
23:06.13ZyffAnd food / drink
23:06.22Zyff1 catch, I'm a EU
23:06.36Mephswell move to america
23:06.40Mephsthe land of freedom
23:06.45Mephsescape from your oppressors
23:06.47ZyffWell I would tbh
23:06.49Zyffbut somehow
23:06.49Mephsthe roads are paved with gold
23:06.55ZyffI ended up married and have a baby
23:06.58Zyffso GG for me
23:07.05MephsVIVA LA REVOLUCION
23:07.11Zyff;P
23:07.37Mephswant to be an investor then? :p
23:07.46BountyHai guyz
23:08.00Mephsjk idk if i could move to europe especially given the circumstances unless it was guaranteed, stable pay of some kind
23:08.05ZyffHow much would you need ?
23:08.28Mephsenough to hire another developer, and 1-2 3d artists
23:08.30ZyffHah, I can't pay you too empty my fridge :P
23:08.43Mephsthat would just be to get off the ground and get a finished product
23:08.49Mephsor something presentable at cons
23:09.04ZyffMephs I think too realise your 'dream'
23:09.10ZyffFight hard, real fucking hard
23:09.18ZyffGet a community behind SM on SC2
23:09.23ZyffDonations, save up
23:09.25Zyffand go for it
23:09.26Mephsthats what i'm doin
23:09.33Mephsand...i think my total donations to date are $0
23:09.48ZyffThe game is still too young
23:09.53Zyff2.0 & few months
23:09.57Mephswell, 2.0 will fix a few major flaws
23:09.59Zyffthen it should start going
23:10.01Mephswith player retention
23:10.14BountyYou've made absolutely no money from Smashcraft Mephs?
23:10.18Mephsno
23:10.22Bountyouch
23:10.24ZyffIf there's a 'host' boost or so that we can do
23:10.25Mephsi did get an interview at riot games out of it
23:10.31ZyffI can give a 24/7 in EU too do so
23:10.32Mephsto which they still haven't reimbursed me for the cabs :\
23:10.43BountyWhat did they interview you for
23:10.48Mephsa design position
23:11.01Bountyno phone call back? lol
23:11.07Mephsthe interview process took 3 months
23:11.11Mephsthen they flew me out for an on-site
23:11.30Mephstold me my communication skills aren't fit for their team (but my design sense was "perfect")
23:11.43Mephsi think the best thing i got out of it was in-n-out burger
23:11.51Bountycommunication skills? lol
23:11.59Mephsyeah i dont know.
23:12.14Kuekencommunication skills aka "we dont like you" :D
23:12.24BountyJudging from you're stream, you can speak
23:12.26Bountyso i dont get it
23:12.29Mephsmore like
23:12.31ZyffCould start working on the website aswell maybe
23:12.36ZyffThe forum is just meh
23:12.37Mephsi haven't worked in a team environment before
23:12.39ZyffWon't attract
23:12.40Mephsit is
23:12.40MephsI NEED
23:12.44MephsSOMEONE TO MANAGE A WEB PAGE
23:12.47Mephsi've had 3 ppl flake on me
23:12.55Mephsi dont have time to develop it
23:12.56Zyffo_O
23:13.02Zyffask Nash ?
23:13.08Mephsi mean
23:13.11Mephssomeone to design it
23:13.13Mephsmanage it
23:13.18Mephsand i can add in some things
23:13.20BountyYour best method of finding team members Mephs is to make friends
23:13.21Mephsbut i spend most of my time modding
23:13.30ZyffHmm
23:13.35BountyRandom team members have a 95% flake rate
23:13.37ZyffI'm willing too manage it etc
23:13.41Mephsi see that.
23:13.56ZyffAnd I could get some designs done by a crazy guy
23:14.00Mephsi can make web pages, i can make really technical ones at that, but i don't have the time to dedicate to it
23:14.00ZyffBut I can't code
23:14.10ZyffBasicly all I got is fuckloads of time / social skill
23:14.14Mephsya
23:14.35ZyffI can spend 25hours a week easy
23:14.43Zyffon managing stuff / moderating
23:14.48Mephswell managing is the easy part
23:14.56Mephsits getting the design down and rigging it up
23:14.59ZyffCould go for a sample website ish too start out
23:15.04Mephslike the global leaderboard i can code myself
23:15.07Mephswhen i get the time
23:15.18Mephsand i can help here and there with things
23:15.27Mephsi do some IT, web development a lot in the past before i did software dev
23:15.44ZyffYou do 'Smashcraft' as a job atm ?
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23:15.52Mephstill i find a new contract job
23:15.57Mephsyea i'm only working on that right now
23:15.58UloseTheGame_xD
23:16.17ZyffI know a VERY friendly 3D guy at TL
23:16.21Mephsi was kinda banking on the riot thing
23:16.25BountyI love how everyone BUT me has all this coding experience
23:16.26ZyffWho could make some models for you perhaps
23:16.31Mephsbecause they seemed so sure i was going to get that job
23:16.38BountyAll i've ever done for a job is Retail Management lolol
23:16.48ZyffI'm an Electrician o_O
23:16.49Mephsbounty:  you're set for success!
23:16.50Bounty6 years
23:16.53ZyffMephs ; http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/RuN
23:17.14BountyRetail Management pays very well around here
23:17.19ZyffCheck his portofolio
23:17.22ZyffHe's pritty good
23:17.30Bounty6 figures for Store Managers of a convenience store around here
23:17.33Bounty><
23:17.57Mephsniceeeee
23:18.11Mephshe know how to rig & animate too?
23:18.18ZyffI think so yeah
23:18.25ZyffI'm not sure if he would bother
23:18.27Zyffbut I think so
23:18.39UloseTheGame_Lol I
23:18.39Zyffwon't kill you for asking tho =)
23:18.51UloseTheGame_I'm 15, i beat you all HA
23:19.01UloseTheGame_:D
23:19.01ZyffHuh ?
23:19.07ZyffI would 1hit you punk
23:19.09ZyffGo awaaaay
23:20.03UloseTheGame_Zyff, whatchu talkin about boi?
23:20.17ZyffYou say your 15 and beat me
23:20.26ZyffI feel offended ! :(
23:20.30UloseTheGame_:P
23:20.31BountyLOOK AT MAH EPIC CHARACTER SELECTION LAYOUT http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYFzzgpw6fM
23:20.40Bountytrololol
23:20.47ZyffYeah I seen it somewhere before
23:20.56ZyffI think it was something like 'WoW.exe'
23:20.59Zyffmight be wrong tho
23:21.40ZyffMephs
23:21.48ZyffI been talking with this guy streaming before
23:21.57ZyffTry too sell your story by 'both getting public'
23:22.04Zyffgive him credit etc so he spreads his name
23:23.12Mephsya
23:23.16MexaMephs, you should attend game jams more often
23:23.22Mephsgame jams?
23:23.30MexaYou get to know people, and you learn to design a game in under 48hours
23:23.46Mexadesign, and make
23:23.46Mephsi've been designing games since i was 12
23:23.48*** join/#sc2mapster UloseTheGame (44ad493a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.173.73.58)
23:24.02MexaBut apparantly, you don't have the group
23:24.08MexaSo, it was just a suggestion
23:24.09Mephsjust solo projects
23:24.11Mephsi mean
23:24.12Mephsbut yea
23:24.23ZyffMephs once you go EU
23:24.29Zyffand need a active / social skilled guy
23:24.36Zyffyou know me !
23:24.37MexaLots of games have been created based from game jam
23:24.42Mephsi have EMCL for the PR
23:24.45Mephson US anyway
23:24.47ZyffI'm willing too pay a Ventrilo or shit too if needed
23:24.52MexaCrayon Physics, Braid, World of Goo, Spore
23:24.56Mexaand many more
23:25.26MexaI don't know what EMCL and PR stands for.
23:25.27Mephsand i'll probably see if TB wants to do a new updated feature
23:25.34MephsEMCL is the guy's name
23:25.45MephsPR = public relations, i.e. setting up tournaments, publicity
23:25.49*** part/#sc2mapster Morshu (shitcock@adsl-184-36-52-52.asm.bellsouth.net)
23:25.55JademusSreg(Zyff, don't come off so desperate. Play it cool.)
23:26.13ZyffI'm not desperate mate
23:26.14MexaOh so you're talking about smadhcraft again now?
23:26.19Mexa*smash
23:26.19ZyffI want too see his dreams come true
23:26.38Zyffand I need too spend my time
23:27.02JademusSregWork on a SC2 map.
23:27.10ZyffFor what ?
23:27.18Mephsmapping is good for getting an idea down in presentable form
23:27.22MexaMephs, do you have a portfolio somewhere?
23:27.24Mephsits not a good venue for making real games though
23:27.25Mexa:3
23:27.45Mephsnot formal ...i used to
23:27.49Mephsbut that was for web development
23:27.51ZyffI used too design for FPS games
23:28.00ZyffThat stuff was way more fun and less limited
23:28.43Mephshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNPt00IyezE old map i made
23:28.55BountyThe only thing i've ever created before SC2 was a LBP level where you ride a rocket car and climb a huge cock and balls
23:29.25ZyffI made a survival shooter with pvp options etc on LBP2
23:29.31Zyffnever released it ;<
23:30.02ZyffLBP2 was pritty good though the editor
23:30.16Mephsthis one is an old indie project i started on:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKwp7k2Bnxg
23:30.20Mephshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww4evmban5M&feature=related
23:30.51Zyffsprites ftw
23:31.04MephsTACTIC used the ogre 3d graphics engine
23:31.16Mephsi was working on a lua front end for it too
23:31.26Mephswrote the tools in C# and c++ for the game logic
23:31.40Mephsall solo
23:31.47Mephsobv the graphics are borrowed but yeah
23:31.56Zyff:)
23:33.06ZyffBut yeah
23:33.14ZyffEven if you know it all, got talent etc
23:33.22Mephsyea i know
23:33.24ZyffIt's really hard too get inside the 'Game Industry'
23:33.25Mephsits a publicity thing
23:33.36ZyffYap
23:35.22ZyffShould go for a 'Business Plan' I guess
23:35.32ZyffSet up some goals you would like too achieve
23:35.39Mephswell, i need a team plan first :p
23:35.50ZyffWhy ?
23:36.02Mephswell i dont have a team
23:36.03ZyffI ment a Business Plan how too get it big on SC2
23:36.10Mephsoh
23:36.13Mephswe're still talking about that
23:36.17Mephsyeah thats what 2.0 is
23:36.21Mephsessentially my business plan lol
23:36.22ZyffIt's the only way too start
23:36.27Mephsi did a huge overhaul of a lot of things
23:36.37Mephsi added 6 pick modes
23:36.42MexaMephs, considering your education, don't you know any irl people who you can form a group with?
23:36.52Mephsnot really
23:36.58Mephsno one i know has talents in this sort of stuff
23:37.04Mephsirl anyway
23:37.15Mexahms ok.
23:37.27Mephsthis guy wants to pay me to make some heroes for his game tho
23:37.30Mephsso i guess thats sort of a job XD
23:37.38Mexain sc2?
23:37.40Mephsyah
23:37.46MexaNice
23:37.47Zyfflol wtf ;p
23:37.50Zyffhow much he offers lol
23:37.53Mephsits on the team recruitment forum
23:37.56Mephs100/hero
23:38.05BountyI'm going to apply
23:38.07Bountylolol
23:38.12Mephsidk maybe they have the talents to upstart something too
23:38.14BountyMAH MONEY
23:38.26Mephsi'll see what its like working with them, they're doing some really hard work on their map
23:38.28MexaI gave Skizot portal 2, and now he is in my dept for models :)
23:38.34Mephslol
23:38.57Mephsi also talked to some guy developing phone app games
23:39.03Bountyaww
23:39.07Mephsso in a few months if they're still going on that route i might join up their team
23:39.08Bountyits for data editor
23:39.09Bountyfuck
23:39.11BountyFAWK
23:39.20Mephssee bounty you need some real skills
23:39.21Mephs=p
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23:39.28Bountyi haz skillz
23:39.32Bountyjust not in data
23:39.44Zyffimport wow models and e-peen it on utuwb aint skills brah !
23:39.47Mephsyou make visually appealing shit
23:39.54Mephsbut you can't code for poop lol
23:39.56Bountyyeah bc thats all i did Zyff
23:39.58Bountyright lol
23:40.06Ashamed_:(
23:40.07Bountyits alot more then just importing those models
23:40.08ZyffI'm kidding you ;
23:40.19Mephsi wouldn't mind letting bounty do cinematics for left 4 death
23:40.24Mephsif i ever went back to that project
23:40.25BountyTHAT SHIT WILL GET YOU KILLED ON THE STREETS YO
23:40.30ZyffHaha, you took me serious man. I'm not even allowed too say bad stuff since I did 0
23:40.30UloseTheGamelol what's the mapping dreamteam atm?
23:40.41BountyZyff
23:40.46Ashamed_ME
23:40.46Bountyim an emotional wreck
23:40.48Bountypeople say shit
23:40.49Bountyand i lash out
23:40.51Bounty<3 mah bad
23:40.53Bountylolol
23:40.54ZyffOh sweet
23:40.57Ashamed_BOUNTY YOU SUCK
23:41.00Mephsbounty: cinematics, me: data/actor work, crazyfingers: modeller
23:41.01ZyffSo I get you drunk and free sex
23:41.01BountyFUCK YOU
23:41.03BountyNIGGAH ILL KILL U
23:41.06Ashamed_OH YEAH
23:41.08Bountylol
23:41.11Ashamed_I WILL COME TO YOUR HOUSE
23:41.13Ashamed_AND RAPE YOU
23:41.15MephsUI: the tofu guy
23:41.19Ashamed_Where do you live?
23:41.22Mephstheres your dream team
23:41.23ZyffBelgium
23:41.25Bountythere are two Tofu guys
23:41.29MexaBounty, is that why you overuse ><?
23:41.33Ashamed_LOL
23:41.34ZyffMephs and who's going for Terrain
23:41.35Mephsthe guy who did the UI in tofu
23:41.38Mephsoh
23:41.38Mephsterrain
23:41.39UloseTheGameBounty, sounds like you have a self esteem issue
23:41.39MephsTKC
23:41.41MephsFA SHO
23:41.44Mephstkc is a beast
23:41.54Zyffwhat you guys going too make or so
23:41.57Bountyi have self esteem issues with my maps for some reason
23:41.58Mephsnothing
23:42.01Mephsbecause none of us will get along
23:42.04Zyff:D
23:42.05Zyffosom
23:42.14Ashamed_;-) i need to release a map
23:42.18Ashamed_but i have too much ADD or something
23:42.22Ashamed_and not enough time :(
23:42.31Mexa:P
23:42.42Ashamed_but i almost got a good working jetpack ability
23:42.43ZyffI know what we can do Mephs
23:42.46Mephsdogmai's a prick, i'm an asshat, bounty is emo, tkc will disappear in a week, crazyfingers will just complain about how long it takes to make a model
23:42.49Ashamed_that has no height limit atm ><
23:42.49Mexalol, and I just said that in the wrong chat
23:42.51Mephsso yeah nothing will ever get down
23:43.03ZyffWe make our own Nexus Wars and Income Wars, just way better (so 2hours work on each map rofl)
23:43.05Mexaasshat
23:43.08BountyI'm not emo, im just emotionally involved in mah maps
23:43.11ZyffAnd we add Smashcraft commercials in those maps
23:43.13Zyff= profit
23:43.17MexaAnd also, Blizzard hates you
23:43.18Bountyand i have a kid so i tend to flip out for no reason
23:43.21Bountybecause i cant hit him yet
23:43.22Mephsthat too
23:43.23Bountylolol
23:43.23Mexaand Rodrigo
23:43.35Ashamed_oh shiz
23:43.37Mephsrodrigo wanted me to add items to smashcraft
23:43.42ZyffBounty how old is ur kid
23:43.46Bounty4 months
23:43.48Ashamed_I have a kid too :0
23:43.49Bountyand teething
23:43.52Bountyso
23:43.53Ashamed_that is 3 months!
23:43.55ZyffMine is 3months
23:43.56Mephsoh god
23:43.57Zyff:)
23:43.58Mephsbounty breeding
23:44.01Mephsthis world is fucked
23:44.01Ashamed_Woot zyff
23:44.06Bountymy son is smexy as fuck
23:44.10Ashamed_Mine is actuallty 11 weeks today
23:44.13Ashamed_so not quite 3 weeks
23:44.14ZyffI got a daughter
23:44.21Mephsi've been in a relationship 5 years
23:44.22MexaPlease, I feel too young now.
23:44.23Zyffwe should hook them up
23:44.24Mephsno kids
23:44.25Ashamed_I gotz me a boy :) named Ezrah
23:44.26Mephsthank god
23:44.34Zyffmines Mirte
23:44.38Ashamed_and he never cries
23:44.48Bountyi went raw and never pulled out for like 10 years Mephs, it was only a matter of time
23:44.51Zyffmy RL name pwns all of you tbh
23:44.51Bountylolol
23:44.56Mephsme too
23:44.57Ashamed_Bounty thats what i did
23:44.59Mephsyou're just doing it wrong obv
23:44.59Ashamed_!!!
23:45.02Bountyactually
23:45.04Bountytechnically
23:45.04Ashamed_and i was like shit.. finally it happened
23:45.06Bountyi have like 5 kids
23:45.09Bountybut this is the only one that lived
23:45.11Ashamed_wow.......
23:45.16Mephs._.
23:45.19Zyffauw
23:45.20Zyffthat sucks
23:45.21Zyff:(
23:45.21MexaRequests a channel called Daddy's Hut.
23:45.25Bountyno
23:45.25Ashamed_i got my wife on that merina shit now though
23:45.29Bountyzyff
23:45.29Ashamed_no more babies
23:45.30Bountyits called
23:45.33Bounty"whores"
23:45.36Bountythey killed the babies
23:45.37Bountylol
23:45.41Ashamed_oh
23:45.42Zyffwtf
23:45.46Mephsbounty were you that guy on jerry with chlamydia dancing around cuz you weren't the daddy?
23:45.46Zyffonly in the US ?
23:45.51Ashamed_lol
23:45.54Bountylol
23:46.01Zyffif some bitch touches my kid she's dead
23:46.01Ashamed_oh yeah US we kill babies daily
23:46.02Zyffno doubt
23:46.04Bountyim not dirty or a man whore
23:46.07Bountyi just have super sperm
23:46.14Mephsi saw this sign on the side of the road
23:46.19Mephsthat said "abortion stops a beating <3"
23:46.22MexaSo you're a hollywood gigaloo?
23:46.24Ashamed_zyff he is talkinga bout abortion
23:46.25Ashamed_lol
23:46.26Mephsand i read it i was like "wtf kind of message is that?"
23:46.33Mephs"abortion stops a beating" is how i read it
23:46.33Zyffoh
23:46.33Bountylolol
23:46.36Zyfffucking english
23:46.47Ashamed_but i mean abortion still is shitty here
23:46.52Mephsbut it took me a while to process the "<3" as "heart"
23:46.56Ashamed_like women here use it as birth controle
23:46.59Zyffour media pumps out news 24/7 bout a bitch giving birth and dumping it in the toilet or so
23:47.01Ashamed_instead of just using birth controle ><
23:47.05Bountyi just find it hillarious how some girls feel no emotion when they get an abortion
23:47.09Bountylike it was a trip to the dentist
23:47.10Zyffso I thought it was standard over there
23:47.11Bountylol
23:47.21Ashamed_yeah like they are design to have a maternal instinct
23:47.22Mephswhere i come from we just falcon punch them in the gut to abort
23:47.25Ashamed_and they just kill teh babies
23:47.25Mephsmuch cheaper
23:47.31BountyPAWNCH
23:47.35Ashamed_lol
23:48.01Ashamed_zyff in america we have a law called safe haven ... and you can drop off a new born babie up to like 1 week
23:48.05MexaSo, I assume you all are much older :v
23:48.06Bountyseriously though
23:48.11Bountyi would rather fap then use a condom
23:48.13Ashamed_and that is suppose to prevent babies being dumped in trash cans
23:48.16Ashamed_but.. it still doesn't
23:48.23Zyff:/
23:48.31Ashamed_yeah like its a no ask no tell thing
23:48.35Ashamed_liek you can just drop your babie off
23:48.38ZyffWe got something better
23:48.39Ashamed_not give them your name
23:48.40Ashamed_and walk out
23:48.48Zyffin big city's there's a 'mailbox'
23:48.49Ashamed_and people still drop them in trash cans ><
23:48.50Zyfftoo dump a baby
23:48.57Zyffand I'm not kidding you
23:48.58Mephsi wonder if anyone would pay for editor tutoring
23:49.07Ashamed_oh ares is at any hospital firestation,police station
23:49.08Kuekendefinitely
23:49.10Ashamed_ours*
23:49.13BountyOnce you have a kid, it makes you realize how fucked up people are that hurt babies lol
23:49.15KuekenI know people who would
23:49.16Mephsi mean if ppl will pay $100/hr for liquid`ret to teach them how to hit 1a2a3a and win sc2 games
23:49.26Zyfflol
23:49.32Mexa100$ really?
23:49.35Mephsyeah no joke
23:49.42Mexaimpressive...
23:49.44Mephstop level pros are charging 3 digits
23:49.46BountyLike, my son will be crying for no reason and ill get all pissed off. I go over to him and he just starts fucking laugh and its like FUCK... to cute
23:49.47ZyffDay9 got a 5$/subscription service
23:49.48Mephsbecause people will pay them
23:49.49Ashamed_Mepths the problem about that is there is no profit gain
23:49.51ZyffI bet he's loaded now
23:50.03Bountywait
23:50.06Bountywhat are we talking about now
23:50.07Ashamed_why would i pay you 100 dollars an hr.. when i can pay someone else 100 dollars an hr to teach me somethign i can use outside of sc2
23:50.10Mephsthere's no profit in competing unless you're in the top of your bracket
23:50.14Mephseither
23:50.22Mephsmost of the people who pay these guys are like bronze noobs
23:50.26Mephsyou'd be surprised
23:50.30Ashamed_lol
23:50.36Mephslike seriously
23:50.36Ashamed_yah i guess there are noobs out there
23:50.37Zyfftbh it gotta suck too do that
23:50.39Ashamed_>< i didnt see you say that
23:50.41MexaSOmeone like me
23:50.43Mephsyou know how many people try to qualify for GSL?
23:50.45Ashamed_i just saw you say i will charge for it
23:50.48MexaExcept that I would never pay that load.
23:50.51Mephsand only 2 ppl walk away with any significant money from it
23:50.57Kuekenthere are enough "bronze mappers" around, who are willing to pay as well
23:51.00Ashamed_well we are the type of people that dont need to pay
23:51.05Ashamed_because we can google and look up tutorials alone
23:51.06Mephsthe rest don't even walk away with anything
23:51.13Mephsyeah thats what i figure
23:51.14Ashamed_we dont need someone letting us know waht we are already reading
23:51.17Mephsi wouldn't charge $100/hr
23:51.21BountyE-sports is retarded and pointless
23:51.26Bounty-endconvo
23:51.28Mephsbut i could probably get away with like $25/hr
23:51.41ZyffI played WoW Arena's at top #5 lvl
23:51.43Mephsdirect 1-on-1 shit
23:51.44ZyffE-sports is awesome
23:51.49MexaIn thatcase they are about the same retardy as regular sports.
23:52.00Mephsi was #1 on rampage (2nd best bg in US) in season 3 and #2 in s4
23:52.07Mephsalso got a team into the top 10 on ruin
23:52.22Mephsfor 3v3s, i got an invite from flexxorz (our team shaman) to play pro
23:52.26Mephsbut i had a job, and it paid much better
23:52.32ZyffI played Nihiliums Cookie Cutter team
23:52.43Mephsnihilum was overrated D:
23:52.45Zyffbut EU
23:52.47Ashamed_i remeber when i had enough time to be good at games :(
23:52.48Ashamed_i miss that
23:52.51ZyffCherez / Beasteh etc
23:52.52Mephsthey got paid to PVE
23:52.54Mephslike wtf
23:53.04Ashamed_pve lol
23:53.06BountyWHAT?
23:53.07Ashamed_WTF
23:53.10Bountythey got paid to PvE?
23:53.11Bountywtf
23:53.12Ashamed_who would even watch taht
23:53.15Zyffthey still do
23:53.18Bountywhy?
23:53.20Mephsand i heard it was some prince from abu dhabi or whatever paying them
23:53.22BountyWHY?
23:53.23Mephsand funding them
23:53.24Ashamed_i would only watch it if Leeroy was on their team
23:53.33Zyffit's simple why
23:53.40Bountywhy the fuck would you fund something that they are going to do neways
23:53.40Zyffthey can go on the PTR, down him
23:53.47Zyffshit goes live, they get world first kill
23:53.49Mephsno he paid them to be #1
23:53.50Mephsat pve
23:53.56Zyff99% goes to their website
23:54.02ZyffADDS EVERYWHERE AMAGAD
23:54.02Bountyhow much do they make
23:54.03Zyffprofit
23:54.09Mephsand yeah the web traffic is the majority of their profit
23:54.15ZyffThe GM does it for a living
23:54.18Mephsweb traffic is valuable these days
23:54.21Zyffthe members get stuff like razor mouses etc
23:54.26Ashamed_talking about wow...
23:54.28Bountythats it?
23:54.32Bountyok so the GM gets all the money
23:54.35Bountyeveryone else gets mouses
23:54.35Mephshow do you think youtube is profitable?
23:54.37BountyLOL
23:54.42Mephsits sheer volume of views
23:54.45Bountywhat a load of shit
23:54.48Ashamed_wanna know something crazy.. I know the kid that got to 80 first on his server >< talk abouts no lifes
23:54.50Mephsthe way the web works
23:54.55Mephsfree content = more viewers
23:54.55Bountyso the guild members make NOTHING?
23:55.01Mephsmore viewers = more valuable advertising space
23:55.01ZyffAshamed_ I was the first 80 too
23:55.05Ashamed_NERD
23:55.08Mephsadvertisers pay more money to ppl who will get more views
23:55.10Ashamed_mby it was 75
23:55.12Mephsvery simple
23:55.12Ashamed_i dont remeber
23:55.15ZyffAshamed_ I was the first 80 too, and I rerold to my lvl 55 alt when I was lvl 74
23:55.17Ashamed_it was on the mamoroth server
23:55.22ZyffIt's all about dedication
23:55.52Mephsi quit shortly after wrath
23:55.53Ashamed_and playing the entire weekend
23:55.57Ashamed_after the release
23:55.57Mephsgame been nosediving since tbc
23:56.04Bounty^
23:56.10Zyffvanilla pvp all the way
23:56.17ZyffRank 14 offhand, Thunderfury mainhand
23:56.20ZyffSINISTER STRIKE
23:56.22BountyHillsbrad Foothillz yo
23:56.23Zyffoh did I do that ?
23:56.24Zyff;P
23:56.27Mephsvanilla pvp was just fun cuz i was a ret pally with sulfuras
23:56.31Mephslolol 2-shot
23:56.31Ashamed_you gotta do pvp or your a noob
23:56.40BountyDarkspore > Current WoW
23:56.48Ashamed_is it fun bounty?
23:56.52Bountyyeah
23:56.55Bountyi like it
23:56.55Ashamed_i heard it sucked
23:56.57UloseTheGame:D sulfuras
23:56.59ZyffBut yeah, PvE and PvP is both crap in WoW currently
23:56.59Bountyi was shocked how much i like it lol
23:57.00Mephsi played the beta
23:57.05Mephsit was alright but i wouldn't pay for it
23:57.08Ashamed_and it was a d3 copy and to jus twait for d3
23:57.13UloseTheGameI hate wow atm
23:57.17UloseTheGameI DID allods
23:57.20BountyHow much did you paly Mephs?
23:57.26Bountyits alot better now and the start SUCKS
23:57.30Bountyi dont like the way it starts
23:57.31Mephsi had like lvl 15 or so
23:57.31UloseTheGamebut i get too caught up with sc2 to do it much anymore :D
23:57.33Ashamed_mephs i dont even think i got the beta because of you
23:57.42Mephsi mean its alright
23:57.46Mephsjust nothing i'd play a lot
23:57.49Bountyonce you get beyond the noob levels its pretty fun
23:57.53BountyITZ LIEK POKEMANZ
23:57.53Ashamed_just better to wait for d3 :)
23:57.55Bountyand diablo
23:57.57Mephsmeh.
23:57.58Mephsand d3
23:57.59ZyffI'm awaiting BRINK
23:58.00Mephsfuck blizzard
23:58.02ZyffIt's out in 2 weeks
23:58.04Mephsi'm not paying another dime to them
23:58.10Ashamed_yeah brink looks pretty good
23:58.11BountyI'll get D3
23:58.11Mephsafter the debacle that was sc2
23:58.16Bountybut im not getting HoTS
23:58.22Bountythey can suck my fertile balls
23:58.28Mephswhy
23:58.30Ashamed_whats hots?
23:58.31Mephsd3 is going to be shit
23:58.32Zyffcan I suck your bounty then
23:58.38Mephsawful regurgitated bullshit
23:58.39Bountylolwut
23:58.47Bountywtf do u think HoTS is
23:58.52ZyffBounty is food here
23:58.53Bounty60 bucks for an expansion lol
23:58.55Zyffdno if us has it
23:58.59Mephsblizzard's writing is awful
23:59.14Zyffbtw
23:59.16BountyGive it about 10 years
23:59.19Zyffif anyone needs a RIFT account
23:59.28BountyAll the indie companies will replace blizzard imo
23:59.29Mephsi thought about trying rift
23:59.30ZyffI got a world 6th kill full 'max geared' warrior
23:59.30Mephshow is it
23:59.36BountyRift is great
23:59.38ZyffIt's WoW all over again
23:59.40Bountyreally really good
23:59.40ZyffJust smaller
23:59.43Mephsthats what i figured.
23:59.49Mephswell wow is like 8 yrs old now
23:59.52Bountyhave u actually played it Zyff
23:59.57Mephs6-7 years more like

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