| 00:00.45 | SilverSeraphim | Warning: Orphaned trigger function call removed: Function Call 'Triggering Unit' (Function Call, 2CFE3A2B, Lib: 0) |
| 00:00.49 | SilverSeraphim | how do i find that??? |
| 00:01.04 | JademusSreg | That's a werid bug. |
| 00:01.10 | JademusSreg | Dunno what causes it. |
| 00:01.21 | JademusSreg | But I've seen it before. |
| 00:01.26 | SilverSeraphim | =[ |
| 00:01.38 | SilverSeraphim | it seems to be paired with this: |
| 00:01.39 | SilverSeraphim | Warning: Invalid trigger element reference removed from Parameter Value 'Unknown' (Function Call, 855C3842, Lib: 0) |
| 00:01.47 | JademusSreg | I figure it's an error reading the xml. |
| 00:02.04 | JademusSreg | Or the trigger file. |
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| 00:05.49 | AlphA_VsT | yeah |
| 00:06.09 | AlphA_VsT | you probably fucked up a unit and its on the map |
| 00:06.13 | AlphA_VsT | and it has no refeances |
| 00:06.24 | AlphA_VsT | or no |
| 00:06.32 | AlphA_VsT | you undid a trigger |
| 00:06.32 | JademusSreg | Naw, that its spefically a GUI error. |
| 00:06.57 | AlphA_VsT | if you undo it doesnt always remove the trigger from galaxy in gui |
| 00:07.02 | AlphA_VsT | thats why you never undo |
| 00:07.03 | AlphA_VsT | :P |
| 00:07.07 | JademusSreg | Interesting. |
| 00:07.15 | AlphA_VsT | yeah a bug |
| 00:07.20 | SilverSeraphim | really? |
| 00:07.25 | AlphA_VsT | yes really |
| 00:07.32 | AlphA_VsT | if you undo to much you will get that |
| 00:07.38 | AlphA_VsT | better to delete |
| 00:07.40 | SilverSeraphim | oh... |
| 00:07.43 | AlphA_VsT | jsut resave |
| 00:07.46 | SilverSeraphim | i have used undo sometimes |
| 00:07.48 | AlphA_VsT | should clear it |
| 00:07.54 | JademusSreg | I once openned a map that had like a hundred of those errors. |
| 00:08.45 | SilverSeraphim | o__O |
| 00:10.03 | JademusSreg | It's not entirely clear to me how GUI libraries reference functions, but thwy are loaded with hex values for the references. |
| 00:12.01 | JademusSreg | GUI libraries get a galaxy script generated from them, so all the library amounts to is interface stuff like tips and descriptions and instructions for gemnerating the galaxy file the mapscript uses. |
| 00:12.23 | AlphA_VsT | yeah |
| 00:12.34 | Mexa | hm, let me get this straight... is a Preset in gui pretty much like an enum? |
| 00:12.50 | AlphA_VsT | no idea |
| 00:12.54 | AlphA_VsT | dont use presets |
| 00:12.56 | JademusSreg | I dunno. I've never looked at presets in galaxy. |
| 00:13.35 | Mexa | I suspect I even used them wrong, because when I saved and looked at the script, it generated nothing |
| 00:13.39 | JademusSreg | For all I know, they could be constants. |
| 00:13.52 | Mexa | they could, but they aren't |
| 00:14.07 | Mexa | I mean, not by the gui definition |
| 00:14.10 | JademusSreg | I've got the editor open. I'll take a look. |
| 00:15.14 | AlphA_VsT | presets are values for things liek "any unit" and such |
| 00:15.20 | AlphA_VsT | all i know |
| 00:15.54 | Mexa | Any unit is the same as null though |
| 00:16.07 | Mexa | but hm |
| 00:17.58 | AlphA_VsT | well you get what i mean |
| 00:18.04 | JademusSreg | Presets are an entirely GUI construct. |
| 00:18.17 | JademusSreg | They don't exist in galaxy. |
| 00:18.26 | Mexa | yeah |
| 00:18.39 | Mexa | But at the looks of it, they are pretty much behaving like enums |
| 00:18.40 | JademusSreg | Preset values are input whereever the preset is used. |
| 00:18.47 | AlphA_VsT | yeah |
| 00:19.18 | AlphA_VsT | like any unit and (+,-,*,/) and so on |
| 00:21.25 | SilverSeraphim | where do you set a unit's attack rnage |
| 00:21.27 | SilverSeraphim | *range |
| 00:21.30 | SilverSeraphim | is that in the weapon? |
| 00:21.45 | JademusSreg | They are useful as keys, for example. |
| 00:22.07 | AlphA_VsT | yeah SilverSeraphim |
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| 00:22.19 | Mexa_ | durr, net- |
| 00:22.23 | SilverSeraphim | thanks |
| 00:22.25 | AlphA_VsT | durr |
| 00:22.29 | SilverSeraphim | and the damage is there too? |
| 00:22.34 | SilverSeraphim | or is the damage amount an effect? |
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| 00:22.56 | Mexa_ | hm, I always thought about presets to be some kind of typedefs too |
| 00:23.01 | Mexa_ | I know they aren't |
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| 00:24.02 | Mexa_ | Hmm, enum is probably closer |
| 00:29.21 | JademusSreg | Aren't you supposed to be asleep? =D |
| 00:32.14 | Mexa_ | I think I only said I was moving to the bed, and said goodnight to Dekar:P |
| 00:32.20 | Mexa_ | And that I should watch TSL |
| 00:32.25 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 00:32.34 | Mexa_ | But you're right, I am getting dozy |
| 00:33.04 | Mexa_ | Seeya folks later |
| 00:34.13 | JademusSreg | Later. |
| 00:34.18 | JademusSreg | I'll be afk. |
| 00:35.53 | SilverSeraphim | how do i make a unit targetable by ground AND air like the colossus? |
| 00:36.32 | AlphA_VsT | select both the planes move targeting |
| 00:37.24 | SilverSeraphim | movement plane array? |
| 00:37.27 | SilverSeraphim | that doesn't seem right |
| 00:38.46 | Mexa_ | Mephs, I was suppose to greet you from tordy |
| 00:40.23 | Mephs | oh |
| 00:40.29 | Mephs | well tell tordy i said hi |
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| 00:57.57 | Mexa_ | Will do :p |
| 01:09.17 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 01:09.44 | AlphA_VsT | SilverSeraphim, read the help text on it hopefully you already got it |
| 01:12.15 | SilverSeraphim | AlphA_VsT: yeah i got it |
| 01:12.22 | SilverSeraphim | currently trying to make a Guardian that can actually attack |
| 01:12.31 | SilverSeraphim | i gave him a weapon, but he just flies to his doom |
| 01:13.15 | SilverSeraphim | nm working now =D |
| 01:13.41 | SilverSeraphim | for some reason the guardian doesn't have a health bar.... |
| 01:13.49 | SilverSeraphim | i checked and it looks like it's flagged on |
| 01:14.16 | AlphA_VsT | check the postion check the actor events |
| 01:14.21 | AlphA_VsT | offsets |
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| 01:30.29 | AlphA_VsT | ok so im encoding the key by using the char name for your char weee |
| 01:30.37 | AlphA_VsT | makes sense |
| 01:30.47 | AlphA_VsT | or generating the key |
| 01:30.51 | AlphA_VsT | i shoudl say |
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| 01:32.44 | SilverSeraphim | my face is going to kerplode |
| 01:32.49 | AlphA_VsT | why |
| 01:32.50 | SilverSeraphim | i can't understand why this trigger isn't working |
| 01:32.50 | Dryeyece | Ouch |
| 01:32.55 | AlphA_VsT | why |
| 01:33.02 | SilverSeraphim | i have 4 triggers |
| 01:33.17 | SilverSeraphim | all EXACTLY the same, but checking 4 different array elements |
| 01:33.19 | SilverSeraphim | 3 of them work |
| 01:33.31 | SilverSeraphim | 1 says there's an error trying to access beyond the end of the array... |
| 01:33.40 | SilverSeraphim | but the array is big enough! |
| 01:33.42 | Dryeyece | why arent you using a switch? |
| 01:33.42 | SilverSeraphim | i know it is! |
| 01:33.47 | SilverSeraphim | i'm quadruple checked it |
| 01:34.05 | AlphA_VsT | your going over the array size |
| 01:34.17 | SilverSeraphim | Dryeyece: yeah, i should combine these 4 to a switch but for now they still should work separately |
| 01:34.39 | AlphA_VsT | SilverSeraphim, increase the problem array by a bit and test it |
| 01:34.58 | Dryeyece | Did you try making the array 1 bigger than it is and see what happens? |
| 01:35.11 | SilverSeraphim | yeah i'm trying that now |
| 01:35.17 | Dryeyece | yesh what he said lol |
| 01:35.27 | SilverSeraphim | still error |
| 01:35.28 | SilverSeraphim | =[ |
| 01:35.59 | Dryeyece | are you using triggering player instead of picked player anywhere by accident or anything like that? |
| 01:36.16 | SilverSeraphim | i am using triggering player, but it should be triggering player and NOT picked player |
| 01:36.48 | Dryeyece | yeah I was just saying, like sometimes I have picked the wrong one or copy pasted the wrong one in and didnt notice it till almost all my hair was gone |
| 01:37.02 | AlphA_VsT | yeah |
| 01:37.12 | AlphA_VsT | pastebin your trigger |
| 01:37.25 | SilverSeraphim | please tell me how to pastebin |
| 01:37.32 | SilverSeraphim | i don't know what that is/how it works |
| 01:38.08 | AlphA_VsT | http://pastebin.com/ |
| 01:38.14 | AlphA_VsT | copy paste your trigger |
| 01:38.18 | AlphA_VsT | give link |
| 01:38.24 | SilverSeraphim | select the whole thing and copy as text? |
| 01:38.28 | AlphA_VsT | yeah |
| 01:38.59 | SilverSeraphim | http://pastebin.com/nDSS9RGP |
| 01:39.19 | SilverSeraphim | i believe it's between lines 9 - 13 |
| 01:40.09 | SilverSeraphim | i know i should have done modify variable |
| 01:40.19 | SilverSeraphim | rather than set variable = itself + |
| 01:41.45 | AlphA_VsT | how big is your psionic array |
| 01:42.01 | AlphA_VsT | its the same thing really silver :P |
| 01:42.42 | SilverSeraphim | DNA Wallet and WalletInvestment are both [3][4] arrays |
| 01:43.08 | AlphA_VsT | and you only have 4 players? |
| 01:43.12 | SilverSeraphim | yes |
| 01:43.16 | SilverSeraphim | well 2 currently |
| 01:43.19 | SilverSeraphim | but eventually 4 |
| 01:43.35 | AlphA_VsT | well |
| 01:43.45 | AlphA_VsT | first thing |
| 01:44.04 | AlphA_VsT | heres what your doing |
| 01:44.56 | AlphA_VsT | what is psionic |
| 01:45.04 | SilverSeraphim | psionic is just a preset |
| 01:45.06 | SilverSeraphim | it = 3 |
| 01:45.20 | AlphA_VsT | ok |
| 01:45.27 | SilverSeraphim | just easier to keep track of |
| 01:45.30 | AlphA_VsT | so say we are player one |
| 01:45.38 | SilverSeraphim | so i should be hitting var[3][1] on all of those |
| 01:46.00 | SilverSeraphim | which definitely exists in int[3][4] arrays! |
| 01:46.21 | AlphA_VsT | Variable - Set DNA Wallet[3][1] = (DNA Wallet[3][1] - WalletInvestment[3][1] yeah |
| 01:46.37 | SilverSeraphim | right |
| 01:46.40 | SilverSeraphim | take the money from your wallet |
| 01:47.08 | SilverSeraphim | the next line increases your income rate |
| 01:47.29 | SilverSeraphim | and the one after that makes wallet investment for psionic cost 2 more for that player |
| 01:47.41 | SilverSeraphim | (the next time they want to invest that is) |
| 01:48.53 | AlphA_VsT | Variable - Modify WalletInvestment[3][1]: + 2 what are you giving the +2 |
| 01:49.38 | SilverSeraphim | i don't understand your question |
| 01:49.54 | SilverSeraphim | i am making the psionic investment cost more for player 1 next time |
| 01:51.22 | AlphA_VsT | ops yeah nm |
| 01:51.46 | SilverSeraphim | doesn't make sense.... |
| 01:51.53 | SilverSeraphim | gonna reload the editor |
| 01:52.02 | SilverSeraphim | maybe something isn't displaying correctly |
| 01:52.37 | AlphA_VsT | yeah did you change a variable type? |
| 01:52.41 | AlphA_VsT | or something |
| 01:52.58 | SilverSeraphim | yeah i changed it from an array int[4] to int[3][4] |
| 01:53.26 | SilverSeraphim | maybe i forgot to change something... |
| 01:53.28 | AlphA_VsT | thast the 2nd thing why do you need that |
| 01:54.42 | SilverSeraphim | i was originally just saving one investment rate for each player |
| 01:54.55 | AlphA_VsT | yeah |
| 01:54.58 | SilverSeraphim | but i decided i want to save the investment rate, per TYPE of investment, per player |
| 01:55.17 | AlphA_VsT | how many do you have? |
| 01:55.25 | AlphA_VsT | types that is |
| 01:55.43 | SilverSeraphim | 4 |
| 01:55.54 | SilverSeraphim | but the first one references [0] |
| 01:55.58 | SilverSeraphim | so 0-3 |
| 01:56.07 | AlphA_VsT | you dont have to use 0 |
| 01:56.16 | SilverSeraphim | yeah but i did anyway |
| 01:56.20 | SilverSeraphim | i set them to presets |
| 01:56.24 | AlphA_VsT | the gui changes it to 1 anyways |
| 01:56.25 | SilverSeraphim | so they are easy to remember |
| 01:56.32 | SilverSeraphim | and i reference them as their names |
| 01:56.37 | AlphA_VsT | :P |
| 01:56.37 | SilverSeraphim | like 'psionic' |
| 01:57.03 | AlphA_VsT | so if your using 0 why do you have 4? |
| 01:57.34 | AlphA_VsT | also it really should be [player][type] |
| 01:57.53 | AlphA_VsT | but im just picky like that |
| 01:58.30 | SilverSeraphim | i have the types stored as 0-3 and players stored as 1-4 (for ease of triggered player and picked player functions) |
| 01:58.31 | AlphA_VsT | really it should be int[3][3] |
| 01:58.49 | SilverSeraphim | no cause then i have to -1 from each player all the time |
| 02:00.30 | AlphA_VsT | yeah but you should stick to a single way |
| 02:00.37 | AlphA_VsT | its all im saying |
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| 02:01.08 | AlphA_VsT | only thing i can think of is the preset is messing it up |
| 02:01.33 | SilverSeraphim | there is already a preset called "psionic" |
| 02:01.35 | SilverSeraphim | *SIGH* |
| 02:01.39 | SilverSeraphim | picked that instead of mine |
| 02:01.41 | SilverSeraphim | a;gha;lsdi ga;sdlfgn alsdfjaskdl;f |
| 02:01.45 | AlphA_VsT | i dont see anything |
| 02:01.51 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 02:01.59 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 02:02.13 | AlphA_VsT | yes psionic is a unit type |
| 02:02.14 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 02:02.31 | AlphA_VsT | ghosts and templar have it i know |
| 02:02.31 | SilverSeraphim | YEAH |
| 02:02.35 | SilverSeraphim | unbelievable |
| 02:02.41 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 02:02.45 | AlphA_VsT | its always the small things |
| 02:02.47 | SilverSeraphim | that was it |
| 02:08.08 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 02:08.11 | AlphA_VsT | good job |
| 02:08.43 | AlphA_VsT | 262001383705124331l18166547p08086297a200166 |
| 02:08.44 | AlphA_VsT | yeah |
| 02:08.48 | AlphA_VsT | i think it worked |
| 02:12.18 | AlphA_VsT | fuck it broke in one spot :( |
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| 02:13.10 | AlphA_VsT | anyways |
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| 02:20.56 | AlphA_VsT | YAY! I Fixed it |
| 02:21.22 | AlphA_VsT | 91O21103322S10153479J01194011P09054429H18162990H08082530S47403255S41638594E57345429J43825610P73564054H85876435E72603088H99968088S593873 |
| 02:21.24 | AlphA_VsT | bam |
| 02:21.34 | AlphA_VsT | generated key with error checking |
| 02:22.35 | SilverSeraphim | gj =D |
| 02:22.50 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 02:22.51 | SilverSeraphim | maps are so glorious when they work |
| 02:22.56 | SilverSeraphim | hahaha |
| 02:23.11 | AlphA_VsT | nto even working yet |
| 02:23.13 | AlphA_VsT | :( |
| 02:23.24 | AlphA_VsT | thats just the key for the saving |
| 02:23.40 | SilverSeraphim | oh |
| 02:23.50 | AlphA_VsT | yeah :D |
| 02:24.35 | SilverSeraphim | my map is finally in a playable pre-alpha o__O |
| 02:24.46 | AlphA_VsT | YAY! |
| 02:24.54 | AlphA_VsT | my map is a pretty screen shot |
| 02:24.55 | SilverSeraphim | all the core gameplay functionality is there |
| 02:24.58 | SilverSeraphim | lol |
| 02:25.00 | AlphA_VsT | YAY! |
| 02:25.05 | SilverSeraphim | my map is NOT pretty |
| 02:25.15 | AlphA_VsT | my map isnt a map |
| 02:25.16 | SilverSeraphim | it is a horrid ugly brown strip of dirt |
| 02:25.29 | SilverSeraphim | lol |
| 02:25.50 | SilverSeraphim | one day |
| 02:25.53 | SilverSeraphim | it will be beautiful! |
| 02:25.56 | SilverSeraphim | xD |
| 02:26.01 | SilverSeraphim | but for now, it's shower time |
| 02:26.09 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 02:26.13 | SilverSeraphim | cause girls don't like dirty boys |
| 02:26.19 | SilverSeraphim | =D |
| 02:26.28 | SilverSeraphim | peace! |
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| 02:48.03 | AlphA_VsT | so yeah |
| 03:00.22 | AlphA_VsT | so apprently |
| 03:05.52 | AlphA_VsT | gah |
| 03:06.31 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 03:08.00 | JademusSreg | Alph, you encode using 36 characters, standard alpha-numeric? |
| 03:08.50 | AlphA_VsT | so how does this sound... a frist time run screen with the list of supported screen sizes which is like 8 and on hover it switches to display how it will look |
| 03:09.45 | JademusSreg | Good idea. |
| 03:09.47 | AlphA_VsT | and they can pick the best one from that if they dont know the correct size |
| 03:10.05 | JademusSreg | Direct feedback like that is intuitive. |
| 03:10.09 | AlphA_VsT | I really do need to know the size of the screen |
| 03:10.40 | AlphA_VsT | im useing 26 char |
| 03:11.41 | JademusSreg | Alright. |
| 03:11.53 | AlphA_VsT | no need for special chars It wont support |
| 03:11.59 | AlphA_VsT | no need for it to |
| 03:12.03 | JademusSreg | Lowercase letters. |
| 03:12.28 | AlphA_VsT | converted into lower case on the script side |
| 03:12.35 | JademusSreg | And you're using numbers and upper case, which means 36 characters, |
| 03:12.57 | JademusSreg | Is the primary goal compression or security? |
| 03:13.11 | AlphA_VsT | security |
| 03:13.15 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 03:13.23 | AlphA_VsT | deterrance |
| 03:13.49 | JademusSreg | Then I've got no criticisms. |
| 03:13.54 | JademusSreg | You're using md5? |
| 03:14.19 | AlphA_VsT | right now no the key is my own basic encrypt |
| 03:14.27 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 03:14.32 | AlphA_VsT | with basic error checking |
| 03:14.46 | AlphA_VsT | im goign to encode the md5 into the string though also |
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| 03:15.34 | JademusSreg | Well, I was going to say that the more characters you use for encoding, the more bank spcae you'll save, but it's not really an iossue, I imagine. |
| 03:15.46 | JademusSreg | Goddamn typos. |
| 03:15.50 | AlphA_VsT | yeah |
| 03:15.55 | JademusSreg | Especially given the encrypt. |
| 03:15.56 | AlphA_VsT | im going to string the users data |
| 03:16.14 | AlphA_VsT | then check it against the key |
| 03:16.45 | AlphA_VsT | is there a max length on a string i should know about now? |
| 03:16.46 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 03:16.59 | JademusSreg | I'm more interested in compression at the moment, myself, encryption's lean, sexy cousin. |
| 03:17.32 | JademusSreg | Alph, probably. I expect there should be documentation about bank limits on mapster. |
| 03:17.58 | AlphA_VsT | im more worried about the length of a string lol |
| 03:18.16 | AlphA_VsT | i might have to break up the string |
| 03:18.55 | AlphA_VsT | becasue im going to save all stats items skills and the inventory into a single string |
| 03:19.04 | AlphA_VsT | that the char has |
| 03:19.33 | AlphA_VsT | it might be a string of 1000 easy |
| 03:19.36 | AlphA_VsT | 0.o |
| 03:19.52 | AlphA_VsT | point is i have no idea yet :D |
| 03:22.31 | JademusSreg | Thus, compression. =D |
| 03:23.02 | AlphA_VsT | well yeah with compression i just dont know how long the string will be |
| 03:23.04 | JademusSreg | Compression also has the advantage of making shit more difficult to mess with. |
| 03:23.19 | AlphA_VsT | yeah of course |
| 03:23.41 | AlphA_VsT | i also want to add error checking and false data |
| 03:24.30 | AlphA_VsT | i might just save the string in 256 segments |
| 03:24.38 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 03:29.05 | JademusSreg | Why not just find out if there is a string limit? |
| 03:29.19 | AlphA_VsT | i will lol |
| 03:31.12 | AlphA_VsT | im still working on minor issues liek the screen size thing |
| 03:31.19 | AlphA_VsT | making buttons right now |
| 03:38.31 | AlphA_VsT | so you think its a good plan i also am going to do a basic key check in multi player games to make sure keys are valid |
| 03:39.32 | AlphA_VsT | so if you do manage to bypass the key and figure out what data is what as so as you play with someone that didn't hack you will be found out |
| 03:39.47 | JademusSreg | Sure, provided it all works, it's a good idea. |
| 03:39.56 | AlphA_VsT | it will get there |
| 03:40.35 | AlphA_VsT | i also plan to save in stages over time so i dont get drops lol |
| 03:41.23 | AlphA_VsT | you also need a back up bank incase people crash or drop |
| 03:41.28 | AlphA_VsT | so you dont lose data |
| 03:41.33 | AlphA_VsT | banks are a pain in the ass |
| 03:41.43 | JademusSreg | Yup. |
| 03:44.35 | AlphA_VsT | :P |
| 03:48.13 | superdoug | what bank? |
| 03:48.25 | superdoug | activisions? |
| 03:48.53 | AlphA_VsT | my save file |
| 03:48.53 | JademusSreg | Wakka wakka |
| 03:50.40 | AlphA_VsT | can you import custom fonts? |
| 03:50.59 | JademusSreg | Yes, sure seems that way. |
| 03:51.07 | AlphA_VsT | how? |
| 03:51.18 | JademusSreg | You need a font style to reference it though. |
| 03:51.27 | JademusSreg | Oh, well, the same way it is done in the mpqs I imagine. |
| 03:51.29 | AlphA_VsT | well can you use it is the real question |
| 03:51.38 | AlphA_VsT | :P |
| 03:51.43 | JademusSreg | There are fonts in the mpqs. |
| 03:51.51 | JademusSreg | Which are utilized by the font styles. |
| 03:52.10 | JademusSreg | So here, fonts are the assets, and font styles are the data. |
| 03:52.30 | JademusSreg | Give it a try, see if it works. |
| 03:52.35 | AlphA_VsT | hmm |
| 03:52.39 | AlphA_VsT | i will |
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| 04:18.48 | JademusSreg | Time for me to rest. Later. |
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| 04:25.52 | AlphA_VsT | wtf |
| 04:25.55 | AlphA_VsT | your lame |
| 04:33.28 | AlphA_VsT | sigh |
| 04:33.36 | AlphA_VsT | bank not working already haha |
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| 04:58.08 | AlphA_VsT | sigh |
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| 04:59.06 | Dustin|Alt | Gtfo OneTwo! |
| 04:59.28 | Dustin|Alt | Noone here likes you! |
| 04:59.39 | onetwo | everyone loves me im the best |
| 04:59.40 | onetwo | woohoo |
| 04:59.41 | AlphA_VsT | so lame |
| 04:59.43 | Dustin|Alt | :D |
| 04:59.47 | Dustin|Alt | Anywho, night! |
| 04:59.48 | AlphA_VsT | no one loves you |
| 05:02.59 | Xapti | what have you been up to these days, dustin? |
| 05:07.20 | AlphA_VsT | he said night :P |
| 05:07.25 | onetwo | screenshots incoming! |
| 05:07.36 | AlphA_VsT | NO WAY |
| 05:07.39 | AlphA_VsT | for what |
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| 05:09.21 | AlphA_VsT | wtf |
| 05:09.42 | onetwo | http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/7973/screenshot2011042722053.jpg |
| 05:09.45 | AlphA_VsT | my bank is being writtin to but not being rad to check if a key is there |
| 05:09.54 | AlphA_VsT | sexy |
| 05:09.55 | onetwo | one more |
| 05:10.10 | AlphA_VsT | i see your ss and give you http://i.imgur.com/NcNIH.jpg |
| 05:10.39 | onetwo | wow nice! |
| 05:10.44 | onetwo | i see your ss and raise a 2nd ss |
| 05:10.45 | onetwo | http://img863.imageshack.us/img863/7533/screenshot2011042722055.jpg |
| 05:11.05 | onetwo | a lot of it is temp gfx |
| 05:11.07 | onetwo | and UI |
| 05:11.12 | onetwo | cause i dont have someone who can make egypt models |
| 05:11.16 | onetwo | or do UI graphics |
| 05:11.16 | onetwo | lol |
| 05:11.23 | onetwo | but thats what ive been working on |
| 05:11.56 | AlphA_VsT | sexy |
| 05:12.21 | AlphA_VsT | dont you have a tutorial on banks onetwo? |
| 05:12.40 | onetwo | i do |
| 05:12.42 | onetwo | whats up |
| 05:12.44 | AlphA_VsT | my bank is being saved correctly |
| 05:12.48 | AlphA_VsT | but its nto finding the key |
| 05:12.58 | onetwo | give me screenshots of write and read triggers |
| 05:14.37 | AlphA_VsT | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:14.38 | AlphA_VsT | http://i.imgur.com/ZzRV2.png |
| 05:14.42 | AlphA_VsT | ops |
| 05:14.44 | AlphA_VsT | :P |
| 05:14.59 | onetwo | sec |
| 05:19.13 | AlphA_VsT | Bank has the correct info when i open it... |
| 05:19.34 | Mephs | there a way to put a team color on a minimap icon? |
| 05:20.10 | AlphA_VsT | no idea can you tint the icon? |
| 05:21.17 | Mephs | only way i can think of is catalog editting |
| 05:21.25 | Mephs | and having 2 seperate color borders on the icon |
| 05:21.32 | Mephs | if you can even edit that field |
| 05:22.33 | AlphA_VsT | where do u set minimap icon? |
| 05:22.36 | AlphA_VsT | is it in data? |
| 05:22.37 | Mephs | actor |
| 05:22.45 | onetwo | is it going into the if statement? |
| 05:22.47 | onetwo | or always going to else? |
| 05:22.59 | onetwo | also, do you preload/synchronize your bank anywhere FYI? |
| 05:23.14 | AlphA_VsT | yeah i do at the top of the init |
| 05:23.27 | AlphA_VsT | it always returns false |
| 05:23.35 | AlphA_VsT | but its saving the data |
| 05:24.02 | onetwo | did you preload/sync without using any vars? |
| 05:24.06 | onetwo | like hard type in player 1 |
| 05:24.09 | onetwo | and bank name |
| 05:24.11 | AlphA_VsT | yeah one by 1 |
| 05:24.13 | onetwo | k |
| 05:24.44 | Mephs | hm one thing you could do to get dynamic team color indicators for a custom icon |
| 05:24.55 | Mephs | is attach an invisible actor to the unit |
| 05:24.59 | Mephs | that has that minimap icon |
| 05:25.03 | onetwo | maybe try changing the if statement to be 'check section exists in bank' |
| 05:25.05 | Mephs | so you'll have the red/blue square for team color |
| 05:25.06 | onetwo | rather than check key |
| 05:25.10 | onetwo | otherwise i dont know , maybe a mac bug |
| 05:25.12 | Mephs | and then in the middle of the square your image |
| 05:26.37 | AlphA_VsT | i redid teh sync i must of typed it wrong :D |
| 05:26.51 | onetwo | ah |
| 05:28.30 | AlphA_VsT | it was an capital I for some reason 0.o |
| 05:29.35 | AlphA_VsT | always the silly thing |
| 05:30.20 | AlphA_VsT | <3 onetwo |
| 05:30.26 | onetwo | np |
| 05:30.43 | onetwo | i mostly play CS source now |
| 05:30.44 | onetwo | lol |
| 05:30.47 | onetwo | i even started working on a map |
| 05:30.48 | onetwo | for fun |
| 05:30.51 | onetwo | its fun designing FPS maps |
| 05:30.53 | onetwo | more art less programming |
| 05:32.46 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 05:32.51 | AlphA_VsT | yeah |
| 05:33.07 | AlphA_VsT | not much you can really change |
| 05:33.48 | AlphA_VsT | unless you want to make a super awesome mod |
| 05:34.12 | AlphA_VsT | http://www.moddb.com/mods/goldeneye-source like that |
| 05:34.33 | onetwo | yah |
| 05:34.36 | onetwo | i briefly tried |
| 05:34.41 | onetwo | was going to make a zombie/survival mod |
| 05:34.48 | onetwo | with zombies being able to rank up to wall riding zombies |
| 05:34.49 | onetwo | etc |
| 05:34.54 | onetwo | i got moderately far code wise |
| 05:35.03 | onetwo | but not really the right route for me |
| 05:35.05 | onetwo | ultimately |
| 05:35.11 | onetwo | and fuck that engine is a mess to read |
| 05:35.15 | onetwo | very poor documentation |
| 05:35.24 | onetwo | galaxy makes a lot more sense |
| 05:35.26 | onetwo | sc2 editor ^ |
| 05:35.39 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 05:35.59 | AlphA_VsT | yeah you can bitch to blizzard but they do an amzing job with the tools |
| 05:36.10 | AlphA_VsT | over other companies |
| 05:38.11 | Mephs | yeahhhh it worked |
| 05:38.23 | Mephs | got hero icons with portraits & a colored border by team |
| 05:38.35 | Mephs | on the minimap |
| 05:48.35 | onetwo | yah |
| 05:48.40 | onetwo | alpha |
| 05:49.11 | onetwo | http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/8065/csmap.jpg |
| 05:49.13 | onetwo | thats my cs map |
| 05:49.23 | onetwo | concrete jungle style lol |
| 05:49.29 | onetwo | very little done |
| 05:49.42 | onetwo | im kinda trying to reminisc on goldeneye temple style |
| 05:52.40 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 05:52.51 | Mephs | you did that in galaxy? |
| 05:52.56 | AlphA_VsT | hows you do that mephs? |
| 05:53.10 | Mephs | or is that a custom cs map |
| 05:53.12 | AlphA_VsT | its cs mephs lol |
| 05:53.17 | Mephs | ah |
| 05:53.23 | Mephs | actually i found an even better way |
| 05:53.26 | Mephs | so you need 2 actors |
| 05:53.30 | onetwo | its a cs:s map |
| 05:53.39 | AlphA_VsT | same thing |
| 05:53.45 | Mephs | 1 actor for red team, 1 for blue team |
| 05:53.51 | Mephs | then 1 portrait actor per hero unit |
| 05:54.01 | Mephs | basically each hero gets a red team or blue team behavior at the start of each round |
| 05:54.03 | Mephs | which is used as a flag |
| 05:54.07 | Mephs | for other effects |
| 05:54.21 | Mephs | so all you do is have the red team actor create on acquisition of the red team behavior |
| 05:54.34 | Mephs | and then you set its host to _Unit, and minimap icon to your red border icon |
| 05:54.42 | Mephs | using site op "Sopattachcenter" |
| 05:54.50 | Mephs | so now you have this invisible doodad attached to your unit |
| 05:54.54 | Mephs | and it will now appear on the minimap |
| 05:55.02 | Mephs | then you do the other actor on unit birth |
| 05:55.07 | Mephs | so it'll do the same thing |
| 05:55.10 | Mephs | except its icon is the hero's portrait |
| 05:55.19 | Mephs | so you have minimap icons like in LoL |
| 05:55.24 | Mephs | for heroes |
| 06:03.26 | AlphA_VsT | interesting |
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| 06:07.56 | onetwo | ttyl |
| 06:09.20 | Mephs | hm there's only one quirk |
| 06:09.26 | Mephs | the two elements dont follow each other perfectly for some reason |
| 06:09.38 | Mephs | wonder if i can perfect that |
| 06:14.45 | Mephs | there we go |
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| 06:18.07 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 06:40.02 | Xapti | wow It didn't hit me until now |
| 06:40.10 | Xapti | I went 50/50 vs a 1k protoss |
| 06:40.15 | Xapti | BO4 |
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| 07:04.04 | Xapti | 3-2 |
| 07:07.38 | Xapti | you guys think it's morally OK to modify a unlocked map a bit and re-publish it on another server (which doesn't have the map) under their name? |
| 07:08.19 | Xapti | seems kinda iffy but I don't knw why. I mean they left it onunlocked almost certainly intentionally, and significant modifications would be made to the map as well. |
| 07:08.43 | Xapti | guess just too much of a conscience in me? |
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| 07:16.10 | Helral|Work | Xapti: you can always check with the map maker ;p |
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| 08:05.54 | Nash|327 | moo |
| 08:06.05 | Nash|327 | Mexaface |
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| 08:48.51 | Nash|327 | hello nubs |
| 08:49.51 | Nash|327 | I had the idea for a sort of riddle/puzzle map lots of people can contribute to. |
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| 08:49.58 | Nash|327 | blub :G |
| 08:50.04 | Nash|327 | I had the idea for a sort of riddle/puzzle map lots of people can contribute to. |
| 08:50.13 | Dekar | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:50.49 | Nash|327 | Basically just a map consisting of square rooms |
| 08:51.07 | Nash|327 | every room has an exit in some way, which takes you to next room |
| 08:51.21 | Nash|327 | and a puzzle to figure out to get to next room |
| 08:52.02 | Nash|327 | so anyone can make a puzzle because each room is independent |
| 08:53.16 | burne- | brrrrrrrrrr |
| 08:53.22 | burne- | blub_: ooo |
| 08:53.37 | burne- | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeV61zex0x4 |
| 08:53.45 | burne- | PROMOTING MY MAP |
| 08:53.47 | Nash|327 | no reactions :G |
| 08:53.51 | burne- | should make some pictures tough |
| 08:53.55 | burne- | without any info |
| 08:54.01 | burne- | 'like hellion in shadows |
| 08:54.08 | burne- | to promote my map :) |
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| 08:54.26 | burne- | I was thinking of starting to draw again |
| 08:54.32 | burne- | make a sucky loading screen for my game |
| 08:54.33 | Dekar | oh god tooltips |
| 08:55.40 | Nash|327 | well, can scrap that idea then |
| 09:00.52 | burne- | everybody look to the left |
| 09:02.49 | Dekar | how will you combine the rooms? |
| 09:03.00 | Dekar | with that built in merge thing? |
| 09:04.47 | Dekar | i dont even find it |
| 09:08.49 | blub_ | woah |
| 09:08.52 | blub_ | hello all |
| 09:09.04 | blub_ | so active at such a time |
| 09:26.17 | blub_ | is there a way to initiate a behavior state? |
| 09:26.22 | blub_ | like a jump state's Launch? |
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| 09:36.32 | Helral|Work | meow |
| 09:38.02 | Dekar | caw |
| 09:38.33 | Dekar | whats a behaviour state? |
| 09:41.14 | Helral|Work | whispers "The state of a behavior" |
| 09:41.16 | Helral|Work | meows |
| 09:41.29 | blub_ | or event or whatever |
| 09:41.37 | blub_ | start/stop, launch/land, ... |
| 09:41.47 | Helral|Work | has no clue what blub_ is talking about |
| 09:41.54 | Dekar | neither |
| 09:42.18 | Dekar | i thought you either have one or not |
| 09:42.21 | Dekar | D: |
| 09:42.25 | blub_ | nope |
| 09:42.47 | blub_ | when you have a jumper-movement, the moment you jump, you get an actor event of Ability.<your jump behavior>.Launch |
| 09:42.50 | blub_ | when you land with .Land |
| 09:43.24 | Dekar | like reaper jump? |
| 09:43.29 | blub_ | yep |
| 09:44.19 | Dekar | ad your question is what? |
| 09:44.31 | Dekar | how to trigger these signals for an actor? |
| 09:44.38 | Dekar | "trigger" |
| 09:44.41 | Dekar | with the data editor |
| 09:44.42 | blub_ | if there's a way I can manually trigger something like that :p |
| 09:44.45 | blub_ | yes |
| 09:44.52 | Dekar | with the data editor only? |
| 09:44.55 | blub_ | yes |
| 09:45.03 | Helral|Work | well you can just add other events which do the same. |
| 09:45.08 | blub_ | also, if it's possible to give a projectile a travelling time rather than a travelling speed |
| 09:45.21 | blub_ | like, no matter the distance, I want it to hit after exactly 2 seconds :P |
| 09:45.28 | Dekar | dont think so |
| 09:45.35 | blub_ | so many limits >.< |
| 09:45.39 | Dekar | unless you make it very slow at the start |
| 09:45.45 | Dekar | and after 2 seconds really fast |
| 09:45.46 | Dekar | :p |
| 09:46.00 | Dekar | but im no actor expert |
| 09:46.03 | blub_ | very... errr... you know... un-animative |
| 09:46.04 | Dekar | or mover |
| 09:46.07 | blub_ | xD |
| 09:46.23 | Helral|Work | would be kinda weird. |
| 09:46.46 | Helral|Work | standing 1 foot apart, and a projectile still taking 2 seconds to hit the target. |
| 09:46.55 | blub_ | that's not the point |
| 09:47.08 | blub_ | don't question my motives :P |
| 09:47.17 | Helral|Work | I don't question Motive ;p |
| 09:47.30 | blub_ | I have a good reason |
| 09:47.48 | Helral|Work | if you'd have a catapult or something, then you could just use an arc mover orso. |
| 09:48.10 | blub_ | parabolic movement |
| 09:48.10 | Helral|Work | and use a locked travel speed of X, and have the arc such that it always takes 2 seconds. |
| 09:48.12 | blub_ | =) |
| 09:48.15 | blub_ | interstingly tho |
| 09:48.19 | blub_ | they have a parameter for flight time... |
| 09:48.21 | blub_ | which seems to have no effect |
| 09:48.28 | Helral|Work | at least I'd think that it would be possible. |
| 09:48.51 | Helral|Work | I've got no clue of movers though ;p |
| 09:49.20 | Helral|Work | there's prolly a specific flag/setting which allows you to set travel time instead of projectile speed. |
| 09:50.15 | blub_ | tho |
| 09:50.18 | blub_ | without the distance |
| 09:50.23 | blub_ | you cannot make the arc accordingly |
| 09:51.16 | Helral|Work | I dunno if movers can calculate stuff according to current position + target point + travel speed = Arc. |
| 09:51.39 | blub_ | they're all constants |
| 09:55.23 | blub_ | found a forum entry |
| 09:55.31 | blub_ | "flight time" apparently is self-explanatory |
| 09:55.35 | blub_ | okay, here's my explanation: it's ignored |
| 10:00.28 | blub_ | well gtg |
| 10:04.33 | Helral|Work | hmmm anyone here worked with edit boxes yet? |
| 10:08.35 | Dekar | whats an edit box? |
| 10:08.38 | Dekar | oh that new dialog thing |
| 10:13.43 | Helral|Work | yeah |
| 10:14.06 | Helral|Work | on my screen I don't see the input text :S I know it's there. I can select it etc. but I don't see what I typed :( |
| 10:14.51 | Dekar | uncheck the thing that makes it a password box |
| 10:14.53 | Dekar | :D |
| 10:15.03 | Helral|Work | password box? |
| 10:15.12 | Dekar | you know, they usually turn into stars |
| 10:15.18 | Dekar | so nobody who watches you can read it |
| 10:15.20 | Dekar | >_> |
| 10:16.00 | Dekar | can you set it to display a text? |
| 10:16.19 | Dekar | like |
| 10:16.21 | Dekar | set the text |
| 10:16.34 | Dekar | or just throw a label over it |
| 10:18.26 | Helral|Work | bleh... I just want to use that editbox functionality now we have it :S |
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| 10:19.15 | Dekar | kükster! |
| 10:19.25 | Helral|Work | Chicken! |
| 10:19.54 | Helral|Work | or what's a young chicken called ;p |
| 10:20.17 | Dekar | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:20.23 | Dekar | " " |
| 10:20.42 | Helral|Work | I'd sooner throw a 1d100 die ;) |
| 10:20.51 | Dekar | my friend always makes up strange systems |
| 10:21.14 | Helral|Work | ever played with 1d5's? |
| 10:22.00 | Helral|Work | or with 1d5(+9 on the last side) |
| 10:22.40 | Dekar | no, we play online, thats why he has no hesitations to use such strange things |
| 10:22.48 | Helral|Work | lol |
| 10:22.58 | Dekar | we dont actually play |
| 10:22.59 | Dekar | because |
| 10:23.11 | Dekar | there are like 4+ people from america |
| 10:23.14 | Helral|Work | he's too busy making up new rules all the time? |
| 10:23.15 | Dekar | and some from europe |
| 10:23.25 | Dekar | yeah |
| 10:23.32 | Helral|Work | liked my reason better ;p |
| 10:23.35 | Dekar | he usually makes new systems for 1-2 years |
| 10:23.43 | Dekar | then we play 3 weeks |
| 10:23.56 | Dekar | OR LESS |
| 10:23.58 | Dekar | because someone |
| 10:24.03 | Dekar | has something important to do |
| 10:24.26 | Dekar | its really a mess :p |
| 10:24.30 | Helral|Work | hehehe |
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| 11:24.16 | Dekar | new mspa flash :o |
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| 11:28.11 | suavebeatz | hey guys |
| 11:28.20 | suavebeatz | new to the community thought i'd stop by and say wassup |
| 11:31.11 | Dekar | hi |
| 11:31.25 | suavebeatz | hey |
| 11:31.34 | Dekar | most people here never talk D: |
| 11:31.37 | suavebeatz | surprised anyone is even around, it's a really weird hour |
| 11:31.50 | Dekar | its 13:30 in central europe |
| 11:31.57 | Dekar | not so weird |
| 11:32.09 | Dekar | slaps Helral|Work around a bit with a large trout |
| 11:32.42 | suavebeatz | i spent most of tonight trying to figure out how to import WC3 units |
| 11:32.47 | suavebeatz | but they come out rather ghetto |
| 11:32.54 | Dekar | hmm |
| 11:33.14 | suavebeatz | wonder if blizzard will ever release an actual fantasy map |
| 11:33.20 | suavebeatz | fantasy unit pack* |
| 11:33.21 | Dekar | i think the imported ones we saw in a news long ago were basically redone |
| 11:33.32 | suavebeatz | which ones? |
| 11:33.51 | Dekar | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S05Nw0iMhSU |
| 11:34.20 | suavebeatz | oh yeah i saw that tonight |
| 11:34.31 | suavebeatz | looks like a lot of custom work went into making that happen |
| 11:34.33 | suavebeatz | looks great |
| 11:35.05 | suavebeatz | have you experimented with imported WoW models at all? |
| 11:36.21 | Dekar | wow models are imported in several maps i think |
| 11:36.24 | Dekar | but i didnt |
| 11:36.39 | suavebeatz | i tried it out a few times but i noticed the models are hard to see |
| 11:36.51 | suavebeatz | are you making any maps Dekar? |
| 11:36.57 | Dekar | yes |
| 11:37.57 | Dekar | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/art-assets/8347-wow-model-pack-requests/ |
| 11:38.02 | Dekar | here are your wow models :D |
| 11:39.12 | suavebeatz | thanks i did see those |
| 11:39.18 | suavebeatz | they just look really dark in the game, unfortunately |
| 11:39.26 | suavebeatz | they need something to make them brighter |
| 11:39.46 | suavebeatz | i plan on making a hero AOS of some sort .. but I can't have the models all hard to see lol |
| 11:41.16 | suavebeatz | anyway it's about 4AM here in Seattle so I'm going to head to bed |
| 11:41.20 | suavebeatz | hope to chat with you guys more, latez! |
| 11:44.26 | Dekar | bye |
| 11:58.58 | Helral|Work | meow? |
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| 11:59.20 | Helral|Work | slaps Dekar around a bit with a large trout skeleton |
| 11:59.42 | Dekar | you were supposed to greet the new guy! |
| 11:59.50 | Dekar | but you failed me |
| 11:59.52 | Helral|Work | who what where? |
| 12:00.05 | Dekar | [13:27:32] <suavebeatz> hey guys |
| 12:00.06 | Dekar | [13:27:41] <suavebeatz> new to the community thought i'd stop by and say wassup |
| 12:00.23 | Helral|Work | not my fault he went offline 6 mins before I came back ;p |
| 12:00.31 | Dekar | you work too much! |
| 12:00.43 | Helral|Work | I just came back from my break.... |
| 12:00.45 | Helral|Work | ;p |
| 12:00.48 | Dekar | you take too many breaks! |
| 12:00.55 | Helral|Work | no I don't. |
| 12:01.11 | Dekar | your break is 6 minutes too long! |
| 12:01.11 | Helral|Work | I break to many takes. |
| 12:01.26 | Helral|Work | hmmmm.... orsomething ;p |
| 12:01.37 | Helral|Work | afk again ;p |
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| 12:45.27 | Helral|Work | hmmm anyone know how to make the text inside the (Dialog Item) Editboxes visible? |
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| 12:50.03 | burne- | sup |
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| 12:58.52 | JManV|Work | my bnet account was suspended for suspicious activity :| |
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| 12:59.03 | burne- | are you mafia then? |
| 12:59.04 | burne- | :/ |
| 12:59.05 | Helral|Work | what did you do? |
| 12:59.13 | JManV|Work | i didn't do anything |
| 12:59.30 | JManV|Work | i assume they mean multiple IPs connecting or something like that |
| 12:59.32 | Helral|Work | your the gf aren't you?.... or aren't me playing -Mafia- ? |
| 12:59.37 | JManV|Work | i need to change my password is all, but it has me worried |
| 13:00.56 | burne- | Im on a holiday now |
| 13:01.09 | Helral|Work | I'm not ;p |
| 13:01.09 | burne- | I should be happy, but its actually bad that I dont have a job :( |
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| 13:04.30 | burne- | anyway |
| 13:04.38 | burne- | I need to think of weapon ideas for star drivers |
| 13:04.43 | burne- | atleast I have time for that lol |
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| 13:22.22 | blub__ | can I "disable" and re-enable a unit actor with an actor message without screwing up the order-queue? |
| 13:22.48 | burne- | uhh |
| 13:22.50 | burne- | what you mean |
| 13:22.59 | burne- | disable as in hide unit or waht? |
| 13:23.09 | blub__ | hide, and make it immobile |
| 13:23.30 | burne- | well you can set ocapasity to 0 atleast and with behaviours you can disable movement |
| 13:23.37 | burne- | with triggers you could just hide units |
| 13:23.38 | blub__ | or: make an effect-set where one effect fires only when the other effect is finished |
| 13:23.46 | blub__ | so, a sequence rather than a normal set |
| 13:24.00 | burne- | uhh im not good with data |
| 13:24.15 | burne- | but I guess you could do something like that I believe |
| 13:24.24 | blub__ | well I guess sets do work that way since the order matters |
| 13:24.30 | burne- | like making behaviour where is STARTING effect and EXPIRE effect |
| 13:24.33 | burne- | or something like that |
| 13:24.36 | blub__ | but I'd like to have a projectile fired and have the actor disabled until the projectile hits |
| 13:24.56 | burne- | dunno, I guess i cant help with that |
| 13:25.12 | Helral|Work | blub__: what do you mean with disabled? |
| 13:26.01 | Helral|Work | and which actor do you want "disabled" ? |
| 13:26.02 | blub__ | Helral|Work: just, suspend it |
| 13:26.17 | blub__ | Helral|Work: imagine this: you have a unit, and a tentacle attack, and you want it to be immobile while the tentacle attacks |
| 13:26.27 | blub__ | Helral|Work: the tentacle is an ability |
| 13:26.36 | burne- | omg you should have said so |
| 13:26.37 | blub__ | created with a launch-missle effect |
| 13:26.40 | Helral|Work | just set the ability to channel for x. |
| 13:26.44 | burne- | you can make abilities as UNINTERUBLE |
| 13:26.45 | Helral|Work | or whatever it is |
| 13:26.48 | burne- | or whatever |
| 13:26.49 | blub__ | burne-: that's not the point |
| 13:26.56 | blub__ | it's not interrupted |
| 13:27.03 | blub__ | the ability goes "simulatneously" |
| 13:27.08 | blub__ | and that I do not want |
| 13:27.11 | Helral|Work | there is some setting which says that the unit cannot move until it's done with it's ability. |
| 13:27.36 | blub__ | but the launch-effect seems to be over when the missile is "out" |
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| 13:27.48 | blub__ | so, it doesn't care how long it flies or when it's returned |
| 13:27.49 | burne- | ofc it is |
| 13:27.58 | blub__ | but it's a tentacle-type of missile :S |
| 13:28.04 | burne- | :/ |
| 13:28.14 | blub__ | so, it's done when it's back... not when it's out... |
| 13:28.15 | Helral|Work | normally, yup. but you can adjust the abilities duration to be longer. |
| 13:28.31 | blub__ | Helral|Work: and how do I tell it to be as long as the projectile lives? :P |
| 13:28.45 | Helral|Work | uhm... dunno that part ;p |
| 13:28.45 | blub__ | Helral|Work: considering that that dependson the target's distance :P |
| 13:29.16 | Helral|Work | all I can think off atm is just setting a solid duration which is large enough. |
| 13:29.27 | Helral|Work | but that wouldn't depend on the distance.... |
| 13:29.31 | Helral|Work | hmmm :S |
| 13:29.42 | blub__ | that's a workaround, not a solution, and an extremely bad one since it's a slow projectil e:P |
| 13:29.57 | blub__ | :P |
| 13:30.23 | Helral|Work | why would you use it if it's that slow ;p |
| 13:30.36 | blub__ | that's not up for debate xD |
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| 13:31.21 | Helral|Work | well I can't think of a way to make that work. |
| 13:31.26 | blub__ | "channeled" means what exactly? |
| 13:31.33 | blub__ | oh |
| 13:31.44 | blub__ | that actually means it waits for the projectile to hit |
| 13:31.45 | blub__ | awesome |
| 13:31.47 | blub__ | done |
| 13:31.48 | blub__ | xD |
| 13:31.59 | blub__ | you were right |
| 13:32.14 | blub__ | channel seems to do the trick after all |
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| 13:32.40 | Helral|Work | but dind't you want to wait untiil the tentacle returned? |
| 13:32.55 | blub__ | there's also a return flag |
| 13:33.03 | blub__ | hadn't had taht checked |
| 13:33.13 | blub__ | and I don't actuall need it to return xD |
| 13:33.21 | blub__ | figured that other bit out too |
| 13:33.31 | blub__ | so there's just one thing left |
| 13:33.46 | blub__ | since I'm making the unit invisible, I also need it to be invulnerable for the time being |
| 13:34.02 | blub__ | (it's like turning the unit into a projectile to hit something, then it's back to being a normal unit) |
| 13:34.50 | blub__ | will I need behavior apply effects for that or is there an actor message "set flag <invulnerable>" or something |
| 13:35.11 | Dustin|Lappy | Wasaaaa |
| 13:35.29 | blub__ | actually I need to remove collision as well from that unit |
| 13:35.35 | blub__ | damn |
| 13:36.18 | burne- | I need 2 more missile weapon ideas |
| 13:36.24 | burne- | and 2 mine ideas |
| 13:36.35 | burne- | I was thinking one missile weapon could be "needler" |
| 13:36.46 | burne- | shoots super fast missiles, inacurate |
| 13:36.49 | Dekar | a slow, heat seeking missile with limited duration |
| 13:36.49 | burne- | kinda like machine gun |
| 13:37.31 | burne- | i dont wana do seeker missiles yet since they are a bit harder to make (iv already done those so its also a bit boring) |
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| 13:38.14 | Dekar | emp missiles/mines which disable control for a short time |
| 13:38.34 | burne- | dekar I already have one of those ideas :D |
| 13:38.40 | Dekar | then dont ask |
| 13:38.42 | Dekar | ~~ |
| 13:38.42 | burne- | not impelemnted tough |
| 13:38.47 | burne- | ^^ |
| 13:38.50 | burne- | dont think like me |
| 13:38.51 | burne- | :D |
| 13:39.16 | Dekar | speed stealing missile |
| 13:39.17 | Dekar | !11 |
| 13:39.26 | burne- | hmm |
| 13:39.38 | burne- | should I add the emp missile as missile or with lightning attack? |
| 13:39.51 | Dekar | what is the difference? |
| 13:39.56 | burne- | the effect |
| 13:39.59 | burne- | how it looks |
| 13:40.22 | Dekar | lightning! |
| 13:40.23 | burne- | maybe i can do both |
| 13:40.29 | Dekar | yeah! |
| 13:40.38 | burne- | I mean those two could have similar effects but usage is bit different |
| 13:40.52 | burne- | well I got enough ideas for now |
| 13:40.54 | Dekar | a grenade launcher that explodes in a certain distance infront of you for some aoe dmg |
| 13:40.57 | Dekar | or push |
| 13:40.59 | burne- | Ill try to implement some of them |
| 13:41.27 | Dekar | a remote detonated missile |
| 13:41.39 | Dekar | or mines |
| 13:42.06 | Dekar | place switching missile |
| 13:42.13 | Dekar | also switches cars |
| 13:42.16 | Dekar | xD |
| 13:42.24 | burne- | lol |
| 13:42.26 | Dekar | aka only the driver |
| 13:44.26 | blub__ | crap |
| 13:44.31 | blub__ | Helral|Work: channeling only works for shiftqueues |
| 13:44.37 | blub__ | not if I click to replace the queue |
| 13:45.00 | Nash|327 | catbag! |
| 13:45.29 | Nash|327 | contents: 99.9% kittun, 0.1% bag |
| 13:46.39 | burne- | I think helral is bad influense for all of us |
| 13:46.58 | burne- | everyone talkin aobout kittuns |
| 13:48.15 | Helral|Work | meow? |
| 13:49.05 | Nash|327 | pfft, Helral |
| 13:49.24 | Nash|327 | what a dilettante |
| 13:51.16 | Nash|327 | As if, burne, as if. |
| 13:52.34 | blub__ | gah |
| 13:52.38 | blub__ | actor messages are so limited |
| 13:52.55 | Nash|327 | I started the "kittuns" thing in 2004 :G |
| 13:58.08 | Dekar | yeah, you are the real bad influence :p |
| 13:59.25 | Dustin|Lappy | You're all noobs! |
| 13:59.59 | Helral|Work | Nash|327: I was already meowing for a few years at that time ;p |
| 14:00.35 | Nash|327 | I've been obsessed with kittuns all my life :G |
| 14:00.49 | Nash|327 | you're just a kittun wannabe |
| 14:00.57 | Helral|Work | kittuns are obsessed with me all their life *grins* |
| 14:01.19 | Nash|327 | I MADE THE KITTUNS IN BAGS SONG |
| 14:01.29 | Helral|Work | good for you ;p |
| 14:01.29 | Nash|327 | I WROTE A SHORT STORY ABOUT KITTUNS |
| 14:01.34 | Helral|Work | good for you ;p |
| 14:01.42 | Helral|Work | good for you ;p |
| 14:01.43 | Nash|327 | You are a smelly hobbyist D; |
| 14:01.47 | Dustin|Lappy | Sounds like some beastiality is going on here =/ |
| 14:01.53 | Helral|Work | ow crap I was too fast there. |
| 14:02.04 | Helral|Work | really? |
| 14:02.09 | Nash|327 | Poser. |
| 14:02.26 | Helral|Work | I stopped reading what Nash|327 types at the full hour. |
| 14:02.31 | Helral|Work | Nash|327: good for you ;p |
| 14:03.02 | JademusSreg | I awaken. |
| 14:03.13 | Helral|Work | whacks JademusSreg with an ACME hammer. |
| 14:03.19 | Nash|327 | Ah, you know you can't challenge me, I see how it is. |
| 14:03.40 | Helral|Work | sends forth the banekittuns to kill Nash|327 |
| 14:04.17 | SilverSeraphim | hey guys, i can't get the Swarm Guardian's health bar to show up. i checked all the flags and they seem right to me: http://i.imgur.com/BRKzB.png |
| 14:04.19 | Dekar | the firekittuns are my favorite |
| 14:04.22 | SilverSeraphim | is there something i'm forgetting? |
| 14:04.25 | JademusSreg | ACME is to Loony Toons what Ajax is to Goofy cartoons. |
| 14:04.35 | Nash|327 | See? Banekittuns. Such a poser. |
| 14:04.45 | Dekar | check the unit flags |
| 14:05.11 | Nash|327 | True kittunists know there is no such thing. |
| 14:05.19 | Nash|327 | Kittuns are awesome enough. |
| 14:05.35 | Helral|Work | trained kittens to act like banelings. |
| 14:05.37 | Nash|327 | Adding something would just take something away. |
| 14:05.49 | JademusSreg | Silver, under what conditions do you want it to display? |
| 14:05.52 | Nash|327 | You can't add to perfection :G |
| 14:05.53 | Dekar | these are not banekittuns, but suicidebomberkittuns |
| 14:05.55 | JademusSreg | Always? |
| 14:05.58 | SilverSeraphim | JademusSreg: yes |
| 14:06.10 | JademusSreg | Those don't work that way. |
| 14:06.22 | SilverSeraphim | i don't get it |
| 14:06.26 | Helral|Work | Dekar: I found Banekittuns a better name then suicidebomberkittuns. the latter one is tooo looonnggg |
| 14:06.49 | JademusSreg | Is the Swarm Guardian a boss unit or something? |
| 14:06.52 | Dekar | do they use acid or tnt around their chest? |
| 14:07.09 | SilverSeraphim | no, i'm just using it as a normal unit |
| 14:07.16 | Helral|Work | JademusSreg: UI - Status Colors ? (check alpha setting) |
| 14:07.23 | SilverSeraphim | hmm good call |
| 14:07.50 | Helral|Work | ow wait it was SilverSeraphim who asked it ;p |
| 14:07.53 | Dekar | unit flag - unselectable removes the bars i think |
| 14:07.53 | Helral|Work | roflol |
| 14:08.06 | Helral|Work | Dekar: nope |
| 14:08.13 | Dekar | but somewhat there! |
| 14:08.14 | Helral|Work | ow wait it might. |
| 14:08.24 | JademusSreg | Ah, now I see what you want. |
| 14:08.27 | SilverSeraphim | life alpha is 255 |
| 14:08.30 | SilverSeraphim | that's full right? |
| 14:08.39 | Helral|Work | I forgot I disabled the UI selection, not the flag, in my map. |
| 14:08.54 | Helral|Work | you might try removing the unselectable flag ;p it might fix it ;p |
| 14:09.09 | Helral|Work | dunno if he has that flag though. |
| 14:09.15 | JademusSreg | Copy the flags from another unit, see if that helps. I don't wanna tell you to test each one. gogo |
| 14:09.21 | Dekar | +1 |
| 14:09.23 | Helral|Work | hehehe |
| 14:09.27 | Dekar | i had the same idea |
| 14:09.30 | Dekar | in my mind |
| 14:09.33 | Dekar | :< |
| 14:09.55 | Dekar | but i decided to talk about banekittuns instead |
| 14:09.59 | Dekar | seemed more important |
| 14:10.26 | SilverSeraphim | ok tried those flags, testing in a minute here |
| 14:13.18 | JademusSreg | Hm, now that I think about it, you probably modified/duped the Swarm Guardian from Lost Viking. Not the best idea. Better route for you would be to copy the Brood Lord data, and make the actor use the Swarm Guardian model. |
| 14:13.28 | JademusSreg | But at this point, you're already commited. =D |
| 14:14.56 | SilverSeraphim | Dekar: you were right, it was the unselectable flag |
| 14:15.01 | Dekar | :) |
| 14:15.09 | Dekar | HAHA I WIN OMG LOLOL |
| 14:15.15 | SilverSeraphim | and yes JademusSreg, that is a good point |
| 14:20.22 | Nash|327 | kittuns |
| 14:21.13 | Nash|327 | So, I had an idea for riddle/puzzle map people can contribute to. :G |
| 14:21.31 | Nash|327 | If anyone would like to work on that. |
| 14:22.05 | blub__ | yay |
| 14:22.07 | blub__ | I did it |
| 14:22.22 | blub_ | an ability that makes a unit jump in a parabolic motion to a target point |
| 14:22.36 | Nash|327 | hax |
| 14:22.57 | blub_ | a new builder in Catch'n'Run has this ability, but it's slightly bugged |
| 14:23.11 | blub_ | that's why I made it - posted a link to my version on the forum |
| 14:23.37 | blub_ | problem in cnr is that the unit then skips one command after the teleport |
| 14:23.42 | blub_ | or breaks the shiftqueeu if there is one |
| 14:24.53 | Dekar | easily triggerable with setheight and move unit instantly? |
| 14:25.07 | blub_ | Dekar: nope |
| 14:25.10 | JademusSreg | Nash, I enjoy puzzles. What are the specs? |
| 14:25.31 | blub_ | Nash|327: if you want I can give you my portal map so you can use the portal code |
| 14:25.31 | Dekar | nash you didnt tell me how you want to combine the user made stuff |
| 14:25.38 | Nash|327 | Well, the idea was to have a bunch of independent rooms |
| 14:25.39 | blub_ | as a contribution ^^ |
| 14:25.54 | Nash|327 | rooms being a small square space |
| 14:25.54 | JademusSreg | (Thinks of Cube.) |
| 14:26.07 | blub_ | the game? |
| 14:26.08 | blub_ | I mean |
| 14:26.09 | Nash|327 | if you solve the puzzle you get transported to next room |
| 14:26.13 | JademusSreg | The films. |
| 14:26.13 | blub_ | the free FPS game ^^ |
| 14:26.17 | blub_ | which is a totally different genre |
| 14:26.19 | blub_ | oh |
| 14:26.21 | blub_ | films |
| 14:26.21 | Dekar | like the wc3 map |
| 14:26.23 | Dekar | ... |
| 14:26.30 | Nash|327 | if you fail, you have to redo the room you are in |
| 14:26.32 | JademusSreg | Not maps. |
| 14:26.35 | Dekar | ooh there was this |
| 14:26.44 | Dekar | rpg riddle map |
| 14:26.46 | Dekar | that was nice |
| 14:26.49 | JademusSreg | Do I need to link you? Cause I'll do it! |
| 14:26.51 | Dekar | but unfinished |
| 14:26.54 | blub_ | Nash|327: just tell if you want "beam" supporting portals :) |
| 14:26.55 | Nash|327 | and it could be multiplayer so people can race to the end etc |
| 14:26.57 | JademusSreg | So help me god, I'll link you so hard. |
| 14:27.33 | JademusSreg | Nash, how thoughtful are these puzzles supoosed to be? |
| 14:27.46 | Dekar | and how do you combine them? ._. |
| 14:27.54 | JademusSreg | Combining is easy. |
| 14:28.01 | Nash|327 | well, depends, they could get harder as you progress |
| 14:28.05 | JademusSreg | Provided we are given the specifications. |
| 14:28.10 | Nash|327 | I can show you the ones I wrote down. |
| 14:28.37 | Dekar | with the editor merge stuff which i cant find? |
| 14:28.50 | Dekar | because i cant find it! |
| 14:28.51 | Nash|327 | http://pastebin.com/tndQA7St |
| 14:29.56 | Nash|327 | I just put together some random ideas today |
| 14:30.35 | JademusSreg | Reminds me of flash games. |
| 14:30.51 | JademusSreg | I can't remember their names, though. |
| 14:31.01 | Nash|327 | notpron? |
| 14:31.43 | JademusSreg | I remmeber one where you objective in each level is to kill yourself. |
| 14:32.12 | Nash|327 | There are ones like this: http://notpron.org/notpron/ |
| 14:32.19 | JademusSreg | And another that had roughly a bazillion levels. |
| 14:32.25 | Nash|327 | where you need to get to the next page in various ways |
| 14:33.39 | Nash|327 | basically just need to decide on a tile set and room size and just make lots of rooms, and people can add puzzles |
| 14:34.34 | JademusSreg | So far it seems like a silly browser based game. |
| 14:34.51 | Nash|327 | sort of |
| 14:35.00 | Dekar | it gets harder |
| 14:35.18 | Dekar | sourcecode crawling |
| 14:35.20 | Dekar | image editing |
| 14:35.23 | Dekar | soundfile decoding |
| 14:35.30 | Dekar | random knowledge testing |
| 14:36.01 | Nash|327 | Yeah, notpron has all kinds of weird stuff |
| 14:36.27 | Nash|327 | I remember one where it played a melody and you had to figure out what notes it was and rearrange those into a word |
| 14:36.32 | JademusSreg | Ah. I'm not interested. It would be more fun to kae those puzzles than to solve them. |
| 14:36.38 | JademusSreg | *to make |
| 14:36.50 | Dekar | notpron is quite fair though |
| 14:36.55 | Dekar | difficult but fair |
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| 14:37.27 | Nash|327 | well, yeah, making puzzles is the point here :P |
| 14:38.19 | JademusSreg | It crashed Chrome. |
| 14:38.30 | Nash|327 | heh |
| 14:41.39 | Nash|327 | let's say 12x12 for rooms, with walls between of width 4, that's 16x16 per room |
| 14:41.52 | Nash|327 | 256x256 would be space for 256 puzzles |
| 14:42.48 | JademusSreg | Relative to camera, how should room walls be aligned? Cardinally or diagonally. |
| 14:42.51 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 14:43.28 | Nash|327 | cardinally was my thought |
| 14:44.48 | Nash|327 | 128x128 is about 64 puzzles |
| 14:45.59 | Nash|327 | I don't know how much map size adds to performance issues though |
| 14:47.55 | JademusSreg | Just more memory used, not like it's all being drawn at once. =D |
| 14:49.35 | Dekar | depends on your zoom :p |
| 14:50.02 | Dekar | omg |
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| 14:50.13 | Dekar | now i want to make a 256² map with 2 giant units fighting |
| 14:50.13 | Nash|327 | I'll start making some rooms |
| 14:50.21 | Dekar | like godzilla |
| 14:50.31 | Dekar | and the camera is in space |
| 14:50.55 | JademusSreg | Someone joined mapster 5 hours ago just to post in the Photon Cycles topic to ask if the map could be published in SEA region. I feel the love. |
| 14:51.03 | JademusSreg | < |
| 14:51.05 | JademusSreg | 3 |
| 14:51.36 | JademusSreg | I'd be interested in doing some puzzles if I get the time, Nash. |
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| 14:52.42 | JademusSreg | My obligations and Photon Cycles update takes up all of my time currently, but after this update, I might have something to contribute. |
| 14:54.31 | Nash|327 | alrighty |
| 14:54.41 | Dekar | will you just pass the map along? |
| 14:54.47 | Dekar | so only 1 person can work on it? |
| 14:55.10 | Nash|327 | well there's always issues with concurrent development |
| 14:55.59 | Nash|327 | but I figure a thread where people can download the map file and add updates should be alright |
| 14:56.34 | Nash|327 | if there are conflicts they can be solved by moving stuff and copy/paste :P |
| 14:56.49 | Dekar | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/tutorials/13141-editor-how-to-use-sections/ |
| 14:57.44 | Dekar | slaps Nash|327 around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:58.29 | Nash|327 | :G |
| 14:58.40 | Nash|327 | would be a lot of sections though |
| 14:59.06 | Dekar | hmm |
| 14:59.09 | Dekar | and data cant be merged |
| 14:59.16 | JademusSreg | 4 of the television shows I enjoy will have new episodes tonight. Hurray! |
| 14:59.17 | Dekar | neither terrain |
| 14:59.22 | JademusSreg | Downloads ahoy. |
| 14:59.43 | JademusSreg | Dekar, of course it can. |
| 14:59.47 | JademusSreg | It can be copied. |
| 14:59.48 | JManV|Work | nbc thursdays? |
| 14:59.57 | JademusSreg | And it can be CnPed from the xml. |
| 15:00.15 | Dekar | yeah |
| 15:00.31 | Dekar | but not with the ineditor stuff |
| 15:00.37 | JademusSreg | Yes it can. |
| 15:00.58 | Dekar | if it says |
| 15:00.59 | JademusSreg | You can copy data entries from the data editors. |
| 15:01.01 | Clord | basically sections are just merging stuff |
| 15:01.06 | Dekar | im talking of merge |
| 15:01.09 | Dekar | you cant merge data |
| 15:01.13 | Dekar | and terrain |
| 15:01.18 | Dekar | only doodad and trigger |
| 15:01.36 | JademusSreg | I could Copy a Dudebro unit from Nightclub map and Paste it into the Douche Clothing Outlet map. |
| 15:01.51 | JademusSreg | The Data Editor supports that. |
| 15:01.52 | Dekar | why do they add a merge |
| 15:01.57 | Dekar | when it cant merge |
| 15:02.07 | Dekar | data and terrain |
| 15:02.24 | Dekar | ?_? |
| 15:02.31 | Clord | sounds rather weird gimmick |
| 15:02.40 | Clord | it is like copy paste made differently |
| 15:02.41 | JademusSreg | If by merging, you mean data for the same ids because two idiots modified Marine rather than make their own different units, well, those people should know better. |
| 15:03.03 | JademusSreg | If by merging you mean batch copying, then no, the editor doesn't support that obviously. =D |
| 15:03.43 | Dekar | with merging i mean |
| 15:03.48 | Dekar | using the merge option |
| 15:03.48 | JademusSreg | For that, you'd do it via xml or just copy manually in the editor if there aren't too many objects. |
| 15:03.50 | Dekar | for sections |
| 15:04.15 | Dekar | where you select 2 maps |
| 15:04.20 | Dekar | and it merges the sections |
| 15:04.25 | Dekar | into one map |
| 15:04.31 | Dekar | >_> |
| 15:04.36 | JademusSreg | Obviously we don't have that functionality built in. =D |
| 15:04.54 | Dekar | we do for trigger and doodads |
| 15:04.55 | Clord | MPQ Editor + Notepad does wonders |
| 15:05.09 | Dekar | and probalby units |
| 15:05.33 | JademusSreg | Like I and Clord have been saying, there are ways to acheive the same ends; that's all we can do. |
| 15:05.41 | Dekar | yeah |
| 15:06.01 | Dekar | nash just needs to copy the terrain ( easy ) and data from the component files |
| 15:06.10 | JademusSreg | Yup. |
| 15:06.10 | Dekar | and everybody could work at it at the same time |
| 15:06.22 | Dekar | and he could even |
| 15:06.27 | Dekar | move the rooms around i guess |
| 15:06.39 | JademusSreg | I would do object interaction oriented puzzles. |
| 15:06.48 | JademusSreg | That's all I can say for now. |
| 15:07.19 | Dekar | all kinds of puzzles |
| 15:07.21 | Nash|327 | we shall see |
| 15:07.28 | Dekar | from look at the help menu |
| 15:07.44 | Dekar | to lame "what am i?" riddles |
| 15:08.03 | Dekar | and in between some carry item from a to b |
| 15:08.32 | Dekar | and not to forget the "move your mouse through a labyrinth" stuff |
| 15:09.01 | Dekar | wc3 had the chernobyl riddle map |
| 15:09.06 | Dekar | pretty nice |
| 15:09.18 | Dekar | some parts were more open to explore |
| 15:09.26 | Dekar | mostly the start |
| 15:09.30 | Dekar | and later it had rooms |
| 15:10.12 | Clord | I like random maps.... there is that great random map generator for doom series |
| 15:10.24 | Clord | http://oblige.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 15:10.36 | Dekar | then play http://te4.org/ |
| 15:11.05 | Clord | it mostly comes that when generating new levels... you can't really play them from memory |
| 15:11.07 | Clord | in first run |
| 15:11.08 | Clord | ^^ |
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| 15:12.13 | Clord | oh and some serious random map generators for FPS games for example.. makes rather complex maps |
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| 15:12.23 | Clord | not just room after room what are boxy |
| 15:12.35 | tordy | clord blord |
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| 15:14.08 | Clord | lol |
| 15:14.12 | Clord | tordy's great timing |
| 15:14.24 | tordy | clord are you familiar with starcraft in korea? |
| 15:14.51 | tordy | im hoping someone from here is |
| 15:14.59 | Clord | not much besides I know they have true pro scene there and it is almost only country where you can watch matches regularly via TV what are computer game related |
| 15:15.00 | Clord | XD |
| 15:15.16 | tordy | guess not :[ |
| 15:15.20 | Clord | yeah |
| 15:15.25 | tordy | i need somone that experiences it first hand |
| 15:15.30 | tordy | so they can explain to me a few things |
| 15:15.37 | Clord | oh and... koreans usually wins.. that's the spirit! XD |
| 15:15.40 | tordy | :] |
| 15:16.15 | Clord | some pro player can be overall dumb like tool |
| 15:16.21 | Clord | but |
| 15:16.28 | Clord | when he is born with good reflexes etc |
| 15:16.30 | tordy | dont have to be pro |
| 15:16.30 | Clord | he might just make it |
| 15:16.32 | Clord | XD |
| 15:16.39 | tordy | jst need someone w/ a good historical background to the game |
| 15:16.48 | tordy | i want to know how it started |
| 15:16.54 | tordy | and why it continues to be popular |
| 15:17.00 | tordy | besides it being a good game |
| 15:17.16 | Clord | yeah when thinking about it |
| 15:17.19 | Clord | it is not best RTS out there |
| 15:17.23 | tordy | exactly |
| 15:17.25 | Clord | not even starcraft 2 in certain sense |
| 15:17.26 | Clord | XD |
| 15:17.27 | tordy | why starcraft? |
| 15:17.30 | Clord | other than custom maps |
| 15:17.39 | tordy | custom maps were not the reason for koreans |
| 15:17.43 | Clord | yeah |
| 15:17.46 | tordy | it was the competitiveness of the game |
| 15:17.49 | tordy | but why is it? |
| 15:17.59 | tordy | did it come out at the right time? |
| 15:18.09 | tordy | what was happening at 1998-2000ish in korea? |
| 15:18.28 | tordy | optical fibers maybe |
| 15:18.31 | tordy | computer gaming boom |
| 15:18.34 | Clord | well... think about it XD only competitor was like C&C series and some other super unbalanced spam fest RTS games... |
| 15:18.34 | tordy | iunno |
| 15:18.35 | Clord | lol |
| 15:18.48 | tordy | well sc wasnt very balanced back then either |
| 15:18.48 | JademusSreg | PC Baangs (sp) |
| 15:18.57 | tordy | need a reminder |
| 15:19.10 | tordy | what patch was what made SC is today? |
| 15:19.16 | tordy | what major balance patch |
| 15:19.18 | JademusSreg | Computer cafes were emerging around that time in Korea. |
| 15:19.23 | tordy | that's what im thinking |
| 15:19.32 | tordy | but i need to do some research |
| 15:19.39 | tordy | this is for class bw xfd |
| 15:19.43 | JademusSreg | Which contributed to the ascendency of SC1 there. |
| 15:19.53 | tordy | bu why sc1? |
| 15:19.56 | tordy | why not |
| 15:20.00 | tordy | counter strike or something |
| 15:20.03 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 15:20.22 | tordy | because rts? |
| 15:20.23 | JademusSreg | CS, sure, right. |
| 15:20.28 | tordy | why do they like RTS? |
| 15:20.40 | tordy | i need to delve deep into the korean psyche |
| 15:20.48 | Clord | well to be honest |
| 15:20.51 | Clord | some counter strike |
| 15:20.54 | Clord | is just aim and shoot |
| 15:20.57 | Clord | for them |
| 15:21.01 | Dekar | source: random guy in some chat |
| 15:21.05 | Dekar | that will impress everyone |
| 15:21.09 | Clord | looking someone to play FPS game... meh |
| 15:21.09 | Clord | XD |
| 15:21.09 | tordy | Counter Strike is huge in Europe |
| 15:21.35 | Clord | I play FPS games but when I want to watch "let's play" stuff... I pick some horror game with story to watch in youtube or something |
| 15:21.36 | JademusSreg | Both Starcraft games have the virtue of being fast; most RTS games are unbearably slow and ridiculously unbalanced (see every Command and Conquer game ever). |
| 15:21.51 | tordy | C&C could be very fast |
| 15:21.54 | tordy | on the fastest setting |
| 15:22.02 | tordy | ust like everyone played sc1 on the fastest setting |
| 15:22.07 | Dekar | cnc is realistic because tanks do own everything if you have enough |
| 15:22.10 | Dekar | xD |
| 15:22.11 | Clord | only competitor for SC was like C&C series and that was tank spam fest and horrible post launch support |
| 15:22.21 | tordy | yea maybe |
| 15:22.26 | JademusSreg | C&C is mediocre at its best. |
| 15:22.30 | tordy | SC1 had three balanced AND unique races |
| 15:22.32 | tordy | which made it great |
| 15:22.51 | Clord | age of empires didn't stand chance of course.. etc games because |
| 15:22.53 | Clord | way too slow paced |
| 15:22.56 | Clord | to make quick matches |
| 15:23.03 | SilverSeraphim | AoE online? |
| 15:23.04 | Clord | not really broadcast friendly to watch |
| 15:23.07 | tordy | so koreans have a hardon for speed |
| 15:23.08 | Clord | when peasants gather onions |
| 15:23.09 | Clord | XD |
| 15:23.10 | tordy | why is that? |
| 15:23.28 | tordy | what makes them so competitive |
| 15:23.33 | Clord | fast paced RTS game brings skills like fast reflexes, accurate clicking etc... duh |
| 15:23.34 | Clord | lol |
| 15:23.39 | tordy | well yea |
| 15:23.44 | tordy | but why south korea? |
| 15:23.56 | tordy | why not some other competitive gaming communites |
| 15:23.59 | tordy | from europe |
| 15:24.28 | tordy | or why not Japan |
| 15:24.36 | Clord | finnish TV is void from gaming.... lol |
| 15:24.45 | tordy | where does the gaming come from!? |
| 15:24.47 | Clord | it is all real sports like cars etc |
| 15:24.48 | JademusSreg | The circumstances, like the PC bangs, set it up from the start. |
| 15:25.00 | tordy | Did South Korea consider gaming as a sport before StarCraft? |
| 15:25.45 | JademusSreg | Is Chess a sport? |
| 15:25.48 | Clord | http://articles.cnn.com/2010-07-27/tech/south.korea.starcraft_1_starcraft-ii-gaming-market-internet-cafes?_s=PM:TECH |
| 15:25.48 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 15:25.59 | tordy | mental sport some call it |
| 15:26.05 | tordy | but chess is a long time ago |
| 15:26.07 | tordy | and it's worldwide |
| 15:26.30 | tordy | starcraft is popular too but insanely popular in korea |
| 15:27.11 | tordy | slick |
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| 15:27.18 | tordy | ignore sc2 for now |
| 15:27.21 | JademusSreg | Not difficult to understand. |
| 15:27.25 | tordy | we know there's still a divide |
| 15:27.46 | JademusSreg | Get a bunch of people together, give them sticks, and they will find ways to use those sticks competitively. |
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| 15:28.02 | tordy | huggles |
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| 15:28.10 | tordy | so why South Korea of all countries? |
| 15:28.24 | JademusSreg | PC baangs brought the people together. |
| 15:28.30 | tordy | yea they do |
| 15:28.40 | Clord | south korea is like one of leading countries when it comes to infastructure stuff like internet... XD |
| 15:28.44 | tordy | so im guessing i need to look for who started it |
| 15:28.46 | tordy | yea i know that |
| 15:28.49 | Clord | they love internet |
| 15:28.51 | Clord | lol |
| 15:28.56 | tordy | so why starcraft and not another game |
| 15:29.17 | Clord | it is probably because of blizzard... they kept it alive |
| 15:29.33 | tordy | did they? |
| 15:29.42 | tordy | beisdes leaving up servers |
| 15:29.48 | tordy | didnt see much patching after 2002 |
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| 15:30.15 | Clord | hehe... well at least nowadays XD |
| 15:30.20 | tordy | xd |
| 15:30.22 | tordy | of course they got sc2 |
| 15:30.44 | Clord | yeah but they killed all leagues almost |
| 15:30.47 | Clord | to make finally money from it |
| 15:31.00 | JademusSreg | In short, the game is fast, requires skill, each unit is significant, each race distinct and well designed, and it is exceptionally well balanced. |
| 15:31.26 | JademusSreg | It doesn't require much to run either. |
| 15:31.48 | Clord | yeah unless you want to max settings |
| 15:31.48 | Dekar | nobody uses mothership |
| 15:31.50 | Dekar | :( |
| 15:31.50 | Clord | but otherwise yeah |
| 15:32.01 | JademusSreg | Clord, SC1. =D |
| 15:32.03 | Clord | reminds me... starcraft 2 is super ugly on low settings but amazing to look at in max |
| 15:32.03 | JademusSreg | Not SC2. |
| 15:32.04 | Clord | lol |
| 15:32.14 | Dekar | riight |
| 15:32.26 | Clord | put SCII settings to minimum lol |
| 15:32.31 | Clord | and see how beautiful it is :) |
| 15:32.35 | Dekar | it looks nearly like sc1 then |
| 15:32.35 | JademusSreg | But yeah, I agree. SC2 is pretty. I feel sorry for people running on anything less than max. |
| 15:32.37 | Clord | it is depressing to even play |
| 15:32.55 | Clord | SC1 looks way better than SC2 on minimum settings XD |
| 15:33.01 | JademusSreg | HAhaha |
| 15:33.05 | Dekar | like someone found the bucket tool in paint |
| 15:33.09 | Dekar | i think |
| 15:33.10 | Dekar | >_< |
| 15:33.11 | Clord | and yeah.. I have played starcraft recently :) |
| 15:33.16 | Dekar | not that i use low settings |
| 15:33.31 | Clord | SCII was not made for low settings look so maps are too dark if you turn off lighting etc :) |
| 15:34.03 | JademusSreg | Remember when people raged when they found out the SC2 Hydralisks don't have acidy attack? |
| 15:34.19 | tordy | clord what's a hybrid tug-defense map called? |
| 15:34.47 | Dekar | ._. |
| 15:34.53 | tordy | sedek |
| 15:35.00 | JademusSreg | And Blizzard said "We needed the profile to be distinct in SC1, also, stfu, the attack was called Needles SPines" |
| 15:35.19 | JademusSreg | *Spines |
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| 15:35.22 | Clord | Needle Spines |
| 15:35.26 | Dekar | and then they turned the siege tank into an elephant |
| 15:35.28 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 15:35.42 | tordy | clord what's a hybrid tug-defense map called? |
| 15:35.52 | Clord | SCII... they was afraid of change so t hey scrapped most new stuff and restored old stuff back |
| 15:35.52 | JademusSreg | Not like it was called Acid Spines, right? |
| 15:35.53 | Clord | XD |
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| 15:35.57 | Helral | meows |
| 15:36.00 | Deaod | SC2 looks fine on low settings |
| 15:36.05 | Deaod | also, maps arent too dark. |
| 15:36.19 | Deaod | go fix your gamma/brightness if they are |
| 15:36.30 | Clord | blaa blaa blaa |
| 15:36.34 | Deaod | right. |
| 15:36.35 | Nash|327 | if you don't set a duration for text tags they stay forever? |
| 15:36.40 | JademusSreg | There are custom maps that will appear pitch black, I hear. |
| 15:36.57 | Clord | yeah some maps are nearly unplayable if you don't have right hardware |
| 15:37.09 | Clord | even with so called correct gamma settings |
| 15:37.19 | Dekar | http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/3125/ruesselss2.jpg |
| 15:37.37 | Clord | that is not exactly low |
| 15:37.44 | Dekar | http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/6311/n166326003028018699ai8.jpg |
| 15:38.00 | tordy | umad |
| 15:38.28 | Dekar | my minimap is pitch black |
| 15:38.34 | Dekar | well, the terrain |
| 15:38.37 | Dekar | for no reason? |
| 15:38.48 | Dekar | and only in the preview / lobby |
| 15:38.54 | Dekar | not in the editor or ingame |
| 15:41.06 | Clord | it is not bad in maps what are designed for daylight settings |
| 15:41.08 | Clord | but for example |
| 15:41.10 | Clord | last stand XD |
| 15:41.22 | Clord | where last protoss fight |
| 15:41.23 | Clord | lol |
| 15:41.29 | Clord | beautiful on low |
| 15:42.06 | tordy | we talkin about banks anymore |
| 15:42.31 | tordy | if not, someone talk about banks |
| 15:42.36 | Dekar | bankbankbank |
| 15:45.01 | Dekar | yo i heard you like banks so i put a bank in your bank so you can bank while you bank or something like that |
| 15:45.21 | JademusSreg | Almost! |
| 15:49.21 | SilverSeraphim | Don't bank me bro! |
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| 15:54.26 | Mexa_ | Dekar, it rather reminded me of http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/ce/Birdo2.jpg |
| 15:54.29 | Mexa_ | lol |
| 15:54.51 | Dekar | luckily they changed it |
| 15:55.21 | Mexa_ | Would have been nice though if they still were available to be used:P |
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| 15:59.56 | Mexa_ | Hey SentryIII, did you see the latest cheese fail video:P? |
| 16:00.19 | Mexa_ | oh, I mean season 1 finale |
| 16:08.46 | Mexa_ | So, where's everybody at? |
| 16:10.12 | JademusSreg | Here. |
| 16:11.09 | JademusSreg | Working on option images. |
| 16:12.33 | Clord | global bank what would synch from server side |
| 16:12.35 | Clord | oh yes |
| 16:12.36 | Clord | XD |
| 16:12.51 | Clord | basically nice leaderboard stuff :) |
| 16:13.29 | Dekar | wasting time |
| 16:13.51 | Dekar | but i could do a first test soon |
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| 16:16.17 | Clord | I make top 10 personal leaderboad for the card game |
| 16:16.21 | Clord | I just hope it not bug |
| 16:16.24 | Clord | after implementing |
| 16:16.25 | Clord | lol |
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| 16:18.28 | AlphA_VsT | rawr |
| 16:18.44 | JademusSreg | Hi. |
| 16:20.53 | AlphA_VsT | YAY |
| 16:21.10 | AlphA_VsT | my computer was complelty off this morning |
| 16:21.37 | AlphA_VsT | and now my map is fucked |
| 16:22.55 | AlphA_VsT | everything is " " |
| 16:24.26 | tordy | oh he got the mango sentinal! |
| 16:24.44 | AlphA_VsT | ? |
| 16:24.54 | AlphA_VsT | at least i have a back up |
| 16:25.11 | tordy | global bank is easy to make |
| 16:25.22 | AlphA_VsT | ? |
| 16:25.23 | tordy | just tell blizzard to set one up for us |
| 16:25.26 | tordy | :) |
| 16:25.33 | AlphA_VsT | who you talking to |
| 16:25.38 | tordy | i dont know |
| 16:25.41 | tordy | cord |
| 16:25.42 | tordy | Lilianna: |
| 16:25.44 | tordy | Clord: |
| 16:25.54 | AlphA_VsT | ? |
| 16:25.58 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 16:26.52 | Clord | bah... this idea sucks XD |
| 16:26.59 | Clord | local leaderboard |
| 16:27.06 | Clord | to see how much exp compared to other seen exp amounts |
| 16:27.07 | tordy | got a workaround? |
| 16:27.18 | tordy | by local yoou mean viral |
| 16:27.36 | Clord | lol |
| 16:27.50 | tordy | wouldn't it be great though |
| 16:28.10 | tordy | say blizz gave us a global bank |
| 16:28.13 | tordy | what would you do |
| 16:28.22 | Clord | I just feel it would be rather discouraging feature to tell: you are not top, nananaa! |
| 16:28.23 | Clord | XD |
| 16:28.32 | Mexa_ | tordy, I was told to tell you hi back from Mephs |
| 16:28.34 | tordy | like what kind of maps can you make |
| 16:28.44 | tordy | i was thinking about |
| 16:28.50 | tordy | an economy map |
| 16:28.51 | Clord | that stock market map idea was facinating |
| 16:28.54 | tordy | ^ |
| 16:28.56 | Clord | I would probably implement business game |
| 16:28.57 | Clord | ^^ |
| 16:29.01 | Clord | with global banks |
| 16:29.04 | JademusSreg | Sure, intellectually. |
| 16:29.08 | tordy | peple startup companies |
| 16:29.10 | tordy | trade stocks |
| 16:29.13 | tordy | buy stuff |
| 16:29.18 | JademusSreg | However, it would almost certainly be awful to play. |
| 16:29.18 | tordy | sell |
| 16:29.21 | tordy | yea |
| 16:29.26 | tordy | doesnt exactly cater to the sc2 community |
| 16:29.27 | tordy | so |
| 16:29.27 | Mexa_ | The idea is already too complex |
| 16:29.29 | Mexa_ | :v |
| 16:29.33 | tordy | will need to simplify it a bit |
| 16:29.34 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 16:29.35 | tordy | or add |
| 16:29.37 | tordy | some fun to it |
| 16:29.38 | tordy | like armies |
| 16:29.40 | tordy | fighting |
| 16:29.42 | Clord | nah more... you have your own shop... whatever it is |
| 16:29.42 | Clord | XD |
| 16:29.47 | tordy | build your own empire |
| 16:29.51 | tordy | build an empire |
| 16:29.51 | Clord | and it is kept synched with global bank |
| 16:29.53 | Clord | with others |
| 16:29.54 | Clord | lol |
| 16:29.55 | tordy | while mainting an economy |
| 16:30.10 | Mexa_ | railroad tycoon had stocks and shizzle in it... I never tend to learn it |
| 16:30.10 | tordy | etc |
| 16:30.10 | JademusSreg | Actual stock markets are good to play because they provide real gains, which makes it work effectively. =D |
| 16:30.10 | Dekar | ok but |
| 16:30.11 | Dekar | hmm |
| 16:30.13 | tordy | what like a siimulation of the real market? |
| 16:30.18 | tordy | you're insane |
| 16:30.26 | tordy | but i like it |
| 16:30.59 | Clord | then hacker gets in and ruins of for everybody |
| 16:30.59 | Clord | lol |
| 16:31.04 | tordy | yea :[ |
| 16:31.14 | tordy | blizz would need to give us control of the global bank |
| 16:31.28 | Dekar | your map gets superpopular and your availible mapspace is gone in hours |
| 16:31.30 | tordy | or make it so we use our own dedicated server to maintain secure it |
| 16:32.08 | *** join/#sc2mapster Cintiq (~cintiq@182-239-159-251.ip.adam.com.au) |
| 16:32.34 | tordy | you can connect it to a web server |
| 16:32.37 | tordy | make your own rank pages |
| 16:32.40 | tordy | oh god im dreaming |
| 16:32.47 | Clord | lol |
| 16:32.48 | tordy | but blizzard will never allow us to do that :[ |
| 16:32.54 | tordy | some day |
| 16:33.03 | Clord | but yeah.. imagine tycoon game where people would try to reach top in business |
| 16:33.07 | Clord | compared to all other players |
| 16:33.08 | Clord | lol |
| 16:33.13 | tordy | yea |
| 16:33.22 | tordy | maybe premium maps |
| 16:33.58 | Clord | some typical player would have some nice 150000 minerals while some top elitist players would make deals with 100000000 minerals ^^ |
| 16:33.59 | Clord | lol |
| 16:34.09 | tordy | ahha corruption! |
| 16:34.18 | tordy | the lower level players can band together |
| 16:34.25 | tordy | and take them out! |
| 16:34.29 | tordy | form an alliance |
| 16:34.39 | tordy | can make clans |
| 16:34.43 | tordy | make superpowers |
| 16:34.49 | tordy | global economic simulaton |
| 16:34.50 | tordy | kfljsdklfj |
| 16:34.54 | tordy | weird |
| 16:35.05 | Clord | actually.... in realtiy more likely would happen that |
| 16:35.06 | tordy | now if only blizz allows us to do cross regional |
| 16:35.08 | Clord | top players |
| 16:35.09 | Clord | would band together |
| 16:35.13 | Clord | prevent such things from taking over |
| 16:35.26 | Clord | top players in any game like that says the rules |
| 16:35.39 | JademusSreg | Even if properly implemented, it just wouldn't be fun. |
| 16:35.39 | tordy | well that's where the administrator comes in |
| 16:35.45 | tordy | to place limits |
| 16:35.55 | tordy | on some things |
| 16:35.58 | JademusSreg | Actual gains are the only thing that makes the actual stock markets worth playing. |
| 16:36.00 | tordy | so things dont go out of control |
| 16:36.15 | tordy | well obviously a pure market simulator isnt going to be fun |
| 16:36.15 | Clord | http://www.strongholdkingdoms.com/ |
| 16:36.21 | tordy | sc2 community needs an incentive |
| 16:36.23 | tordy | or some fun in there |
| 16:36.39 | JademusSreg | Economic management dimensions of city/civ sims would be more enjoyable. |
| 16:37.01 | SilverSeraphim | why can't i find my presets in my custom action? |
| 16:37.05 | JademusSreg | Then it's a vital dimension of a tactical game. |
| 16:37.07 | tordy | iunno |
| 16:37.11 | Clord | duh.... just because it is tycoon like game does not mean that combat elements etc is out of question XD |
| 16:37.23 | tordy | oh there better be combat elements |
| 16:37.27 | tordy | else it wouldnt work :[p |
| 16:37.37 | tordy | in sc2 |
| 16:37.53 | Clord | you should just say |
| 16:37.54 | Clord | debates |
| 16:38.05 | tordy | rodrigo!!!! |
| 16:38.06 | tordy | XD |
| 16:38.12 | JademusSreg | Rollercoaster Tycoon + WMDs. |
| 16:38.15 | JademusSreg | Done. |
| 16:38.43 | Clord | hehe... Open TTD....... |
| 16:38.50 | Clord | damn that game is nice multiplayer business game |
| 16:38.52 | Clord | but not as large scale |
| 16:38.56 | tordy | with a global bank |
| 16:39.09 | tordy | you can also make maps larger than 256x256 |
| 16:39.25 | tordy | by making events affect other instances of games |
| 16:39.33 | tordy | technically not 256x256 |
| 16:39.40 | tordy | but |
| 16:39.42 | tordy | clse enough |
| 16:40.04 | tordy | like your friend is in another game w/ 14 oher players |
| 16:40.09 | tordy | you can trade with him |
| 16:40.13 | tordy | do stuff |
| 16:40.24 | tordy | so crazy |
| 16:40.29 | tordy | clord what do you think |
| 16:40.32 | tordy | you know what |
| 16:40.33 | tordy | even crazier |
| 16:40.41 | tordy | several map makers using the same global bank |
| 16:40.47 | tordy | potentially create a giant world |
| 16:40.57 | Clord | actually.. it could be so that only one is per lobby but when match starts... it immediately makes it extremely clear visually etc that there is other players competing |
| 16:40.58 | Clord | lol |
| 16:41.04 | tordy | yea |
| 16:41.15 | tordy | an sc2mapster collaboration |
| 16:41.30 | tordy | potential problems of course |
| 16:41.31 | tordy | is trust |
| 16:41.32 | tordy | and management |
| 16:41.51 | tordy | gotta have a really honest and trustworthy guy managing the global bank |
| 16:42.10 | Clord | it is rather pointless |
| 16:42.15 | tordy | what is |
| 16:42.18 | Clord | I rather not take the risk if such bank system would be implemented |
| 16:42.23 | Clord | there is no reason to share |
| 16:42.24 | tordy | yea |
| 16:42.25 | Clord | that information |
| 16:42.28 | Clord | with other maps |
| 16:42.47 | tordy | you can do so muhc with global banks |
| 16:42.52 | tordy | oh man |
| 16:43.00 | tordy | can use it for statistical analysis too |
| 16:43.06 | tordy | to further make better maps |
| 16:43.08 | AlphA_VsT | i alraedy have a bitchen idea for my map using other games banks :D |
| 16:43.38 | AlphA_VsT | well two ideas |
| 16:43.42 | tordy | hi |
| 16:43.45 | tordy | you working fo rme? |
| 16:43.51 | AlphA_VsT | who |
| 16:43.59 | tordy | recruiter |
| 16:44.08 | AlphA_VsT | ? |
| 16:44.16 | AlphA_VsT | you make no sense |
| 16:44.35 | tordy | i wanna make a topic |
| 16:44.46 | Dustin|Lappy | topics are for losers |
| 16:45.56 | Dustin|Lappy | Alpha |
| 16:46.02 | AlphA_VsT | yeah |
| 16:46.13 | Dustin|Lappy | Im going to partner with some maps when mine is done to have cross map achievements |
| 16:46.46 | Dustin|Lappy | Like if we partnered, have an achievement in your map that unlocks a hat fora guy in my map kinda thing |
| 16:47.19 | AlphA_VsT | yeah well i was just going to check for banks and do it but fine |
| 16:47.22 | AlphA_VsT | :P |
| 16:47.32 | Dustin|Lappy | hehe |
| 16:47.50 | JademusSreg | y=D |
| 16:47.52 | AlphA_VsT | but i have a more original idea for using banks |
| 16:47.58 | JademusSreg | -y |
| 16:48.22 | AlphA_VsT | y=d-y? what isnt that like 0 |
| 16:48.26 | JademusSreg | The word "original" is a bad word. |
| 16:48.36 | Dustin|Lappy | What's this 'original' idea then1 |
| 16:48.48 | AlphA_VsT | when i get around to it |
| 16:48.59 | AlphA_VsT | I cant say everything at once now can i |
| 16:49.01 | Clord | THE Card Game... THE Original map |
| 16:49.03 | Clord | ^^ |
| 16:49.11 | Clord | Original style |
| 16:49.13 | Clord | llol |
| 16:49.17 | Clord | you get the point lol |
| 16:49.20 | Clord | it is business word |
| 16:49.25 | Dustin|Lappy | Sure you can |
| 16:49.41 | Clord | but there is even better business words like |
| 16:49.51 | Clord | "next generation" and "more advanced" |
| 16:49.53 | Clord | ^^ |
| 16:50.08 | AlphA_VsT | well im about 100% sure no one has used the banks for this so |
| 16:50.11 | Clord | now if all this.. making map popular would saeriously earn something |
| 16:50.27 | Dustin|Lappy | Should make some sort of Monster Hunter thing |
| 16:50.34 | JademusSreg | Clord, English speakers call the buzz words, specifically advertising buzzwords. |
| 16:50.43 | Dustin|Lappy | Where you just check different bank files and make monsters out of them |
| 16:50.53 | Dustin|Lappy | So to get more monsters ya gotta paly more custom maps |
| 16:50.58 | Clord | hehe.. JademusSreg.. I'm well aware of that |
| 16:51.08 | Clord | but Clord uses Clord's words |
| 16:51.12 | Clord | ^^ |
| 16:51.25 | JademusSreg | Ah, my mistake. |
| 16:51.43 | JademusSreg | Clord, you should make an English to Clord dictionary. |
| 16:51.45 | Dustin|Lappy | Actually thats a pretty sweet idea |
| 16:51.47 | Clord | played Portal 2? |
| 16:51.52 | Dustin|Lappy | I should do something liek that... |
| 16:51.53 | Clord | remember the "I'm different" turret? |
| 16:51.54 | Clord | XD |
| 16:52.10 | Dustin|Lappy | I picked him up and threw him off the conveyor belt |
| 16:52.12 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 16:52.47 | Clord | JademusSreg... sometimes some people refuse to use commonly used words even if they know them... it is called being different and possibly even "original" XD |
| 16:53.17 | Clord | rather than being in Borg society :) |
| 16:53.25 | Clord | which reminds me.. I should do star trek marathon |
| 16:53.32 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 16:55.09 | Clord | anyways I have few personal rules when I speak etc... 1. don't just use word "yes" like it is casual thing to say... 2. don't use proper names that often.. because I can't be bothered and say "you" 3. whatever |
| 16:55.41 | blub_ | and here I thought the bankfile-directories depended on the author or something |
| 16:55.53 | blub_ | because banks from same map-author ended up in same folders |
| 16:55.53 | Clord | nah |
| 16:55.54 | blub_ | :P |
| 16:55.56 | Clord | other map can sabotage them |
| 16:56.03 | blub_ | I never used them |
| 16:56.04 | blub_ | what? |
| 16:56.05 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 16:56.08 | blub_ | what about the signatures? |
| 16:56.13 | blub_ | I mean... |
| 16:56.18 | Skizot | okay... ANYONE besides me do models here? |
| 16:56.20 | blub_ | can I make a map which gives you all the catch'n'runa chievements? |
| 16:56.28 | blub_ | taht would be quite... |
| 16:56.29 | Clord | signature is not going to prevent sabotaging other map's bank file |
| 16:56.31 | blub_ | epic-fail |
| 16:56.42 | blub_ | Clord: would the signature work though? |
| 16:56.44 | blub_ | for the othe rmap? |
| 16:57.05 | Clord | yeah but |
| 16:57.09 | Clord | it would wipe out stats etc |
| 16:57.17 | Clord | as map would assume that guy is cheater |
| 16:57.22 | JManV|Work | i use proper names whenever possible |
| 16:57.27 | blub_ | Clord: nono |
| 16:57.29 | Skizot | noone? |
| 16:57.30 | blub_ | my qeustion was |
| 16:57.31 | JManV|Work | people love hearing their own name |
| 16:57.32 | blub_ | if it would *work* |
| 16:57.33 | Skizot | FFFFF |
| 16:57.34 | blub_ | as in |
| 16:57.40 | blub_ | if the signature would be *correct* |
| 16:57.52 | Skizot | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7102389/Sc2/wtfjet.png |
| 16:58.09 | Skizot | this sucks and my brain is all DRRR right now |
| 16:58.14 | blub_ | this hurts my sense of logic, security and everything else in my head so much... if I die, please make sure they put me into my grave facepalming |
| 16:58.17 | blub_ | ^^ |
| 16:58.22 | blub_ | ah crap |
| 16:58.24 | blub_ | wrong one |
| 16:58.38 | blub_ | xD |
| 16:59.06 | Clord | I blub I make it clear |
| 16:59.13 | blub_ | wrong window I mean |
| 16:59.16 | Clord | if you have very popular map |
| 16:59.18 | Clord | you can add triggers |
| 16:59.23 | Clord | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:59.25 | Clord | banks |
| 16:59.38 | blub_ | sabotage |
| 16:59.40 | blub_ | not what I want to know |
| 16:59.46 | blub_ | I want to know if you can add a working signature |
| 16:59.53 | blub_ | which the other map will view as correct |
| 16:59.57 | blub_ | =P |
| 17:00.09 | blub_ | 18:57 < Clord> as map would assume that guy is cheater |
| 17:00.18 | blub_ | they just use a signature (most of them) |
| 17:00.34 | JademusSreg | Map banks are divided by author. |
| 17:00.37 | Clord | I don't think so.. signature is generated based on map name |
| 17:00.39 | Clord | and guy's name |
| 17:00.43 | blub_ | 19:00 < JademusSreg> Map banks are divided by author. |
| 17:00.44 | Clord | and other information inside the file |
| 17:00.50 | blub_ | people, make up your minds :P |
| 17:00.56 | Clord | oh |
| 17:01.04 | Clord | sabotaging proof bank files? |
| 17:01.05 | Clord | damn |
| 17:01.11 | Clord | there goes my plan ;) just joking ^^ |
| 17:01.16 | blub_ | not just that plan |
| 17:01.18 | JademusSreg | Your maps can access your banks, no problem. |
| 17:01.21 | blub_ | also the "achievements shared across maps" plan |
| 17:01.38 | tordy | ourmost secure operating system |
| 17:01.39 | JademusSreg | Accessing banks from maps by other authors, that's problematic. |
| 17:01.46 | blub_ | unless they're all uploaded by the same person |
| 17:01.51 | blub_ | which limits the # of maps to 10 |
| 17:02.31 | AlphA_VsT | when did they change that |
| 17:02.55 | JademusSreg | Skiz, that's pretty low poly. =D |
| 17:03.13 | blub_ | AlphA_VsT: when was it ever different? |
| 17:03.19 | blub_ | the banks always ended up in some folder |
| 17:03.21 | blub_ | seperated by author |
| 17:03.25 | JademusSreg | Skiz, Shadow Killer models. Not sure who else has experience. |
| 17:03.29 | blub_ | and the api only has a bank name string |
| 17:03.34 | tordy | what's star tools |
| 17:03.38 | blub_ | and that would be stupid if many people call it "bank" :P |
| 17:03.41 | blub_ | and some maps call it "bank" |
| 17:03.42 | blub_ | :P |
| 17:03.47 | tordy | yo momma |
| 17:03.57 | AlphA_VsT | i knwo in beta it was diffrent |
| 17:04.01 | AlphA_VsT | and banks where saved to the same place |
| 17:04.12 | blub_ | what I'd find even more intersting is: |
| 17:04.20 | blub_ | can you calculate the playerID from the bank folder name? |
| 17:04.23 | Nash|327 | k I've done 2 puzzles |
| 17:04.31 | blub_ | 2-S2-1-1393081/ |
| 17:04.42 | blub_ | eg. that's where all the catch'n'run banks ended up |
| 17:04.44 | tordy | sure |
| 17:04.57 | blub_ | AlphA_VsT: wellll |
| 17:05.06 | Nash|327 | I WILL START A THREAD :G |
| 17:05.07 | blub_ | AlphA_VsT: I'll try opening a bank with the name "../something" :P |
| 17:05.19 | JademusSreg | I doubt that is a name hash, srsly. |
| 17:05.38 | tordy | a wish |
| 17:05.40 | tordy | ya wish |
| 17:06.14 | tordy | i thought you cant access banks from other publishers |
| 17:06.24 | AlphA_VsT | you used to be able to |
| 17:06.26 | AlphA_VsT | 0.o |
| 17:06.30 | tordy | used to be able? |
| 17:06.33 | tordy | when |
| 17:06.38 | tordy | in beta? |
| 17:06.44 | tordy | oh that's different no biggie |
| 17:06.46 | AlphA_VsT | back in beta for sure idono when that changed |
| 17:06.53 | tordy | what would you do |
| 17:06.59 | JademusSreg | blub, I expect it will just search the current directory for the path. |
| 17:07.13 | JademusSreg | Which is to say, go nowhere. |
| 17:07.22 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 17:07.32 | AlphA_VsT | its worth a test |
| 17:07.37 | AlphA_VsT | but you have to do it on bnet |
| 17:07.38 | JademusSreg | Sure. |
| 17:07.52 | AlphA_VsT | local banks are saved diffrently |
| 17:08.08 | JademusSreg | Even if you could, I am willing to bet Blizz does bounds checking this time around. |
| 17:08.14 | blub_ | hmm |
| 17:08.16 | JademusSreg | They already learned their lesson with wc3. |
| 17:08.19 | blub_ | my ../foo is not stored |
| 17:08.36 | JademusSreg | Getting a map to execute arbitrary code, that was hilarious. |
| 17:08.54 | tordy | i think that last number IS the player's ID |
| 17:09.08 | blub_ | in fact |
| 17:09.10 | tordy | because i my later account is millions higher than my first |
| 17:09.14 | blub_ | I can't get it to be saved at all :O |
| 17:09.15 | tordy | same w/ friends |
| 17:09.24 | tordy | dont tink you can specify directories |
| 17:09.25 | blub_ | oh |
| 17:09.26 | tordy | or change em |
| 17:09.29 | tordy | they're all in the same directory |
| 17:09.32 | tordy | your account id directory |
| 17:09.33 | blub_ | map testing doesn't save to the account ofc |
| 17:09.34 | blub_ | lol |
| 17:09.35 | blub_ | makes sense |
| 17:09.57 | blub_ | it stripped the ../ though |
| 17:10.01 | tordy | die hard |
| 17:10.03 | tordy | with a vengence |
| 17:13.36 | tordy | quick question |
| 17:13.50 | tordy | Sixen: |
| 17:13.55 | tordy | Mephs: |
| 17:13.58 | tordy | Motive: |
| 17:14.01 | tordy | JManV|Work: |
| 17:14.13 | tordy | Mexa_: |
| 17:14.14 | *** join/#sc2mapster Dustin|Lappy (Dustin_Wor@wsip-70-182-246-78.ks.ks.cox.net) |
| 17:14.15 | Dustin|Lappy | Unless it's signed |
| 17:14.18 | tordy | Dustin|Lappy: |
| 17:14.19 | Dustin|Lappy | unless it's signed |
| 17:14.19 | JManV|Work | not cool |
| 17:14.24 | tordy | there we go |
| 17:14.26 | tordy | quick question |
| 17:14.44 | tordy | is there any reason to use windows over linux if you do not have gaming quality hardware (like a netbook) |
| 17:15.00 | Dustin|Lappy | Personal Preference |
| 17:15.11 | Dustin|Lappy | Ubuntu would actually be faster on a netbook then Windows |
| 17:15.19 | tordy | yea that's what i thought |
| 17:15.24 | JManV|Work | if you can get wireless networking working, you're pretty much golden |
| 17:15.29 | tordy | ubuntu has an optiomized netbook edition right |
| 17:15.40 | JManV|Work | linux is pretty good for netbooks, and ubuntu has a netbook specific edition |
| 17:15.43 | tordy | what's wrong with wirless networking? |
| 17:15.43 | JManV|Work | yeah |
| 17:15.46 | Dustin|Lappy | Not sure, I just know it's more optimized in general |
| 17:15.48 | JManV|Work | i prefer the full edition tho |
| 17:16.04 | JManV|Work | the netbook stuff kind of felt like kid gloves |
| 17:16.05 | JManV|Work | but you can try it |
| 17:16.17 | JManV|Work | i believe its already setup to install from a USB stick |
| 17:16.49 | Mexa_ | tordy |
| 17:16.51 | tordy | what's wrong with the netbook edition? |
| 17:16.55 | tordy | what's it missing? |
| 17:17.00 | tordy | compared to the full |
| 17:17.01 | JManV|Work | nothing really |
| 17:17.07 | tordy | so it's justmore |
| 17:17.10 | tordy | user friendly? |
| 17:17.18 | JManV|Work | it just has a different interface thats deisnged for the smaller screen |
| 17:17.33 | JManV|Work | try it out man |
| 17:17.39 | JManV|Work | you have almost nothing to lose |
| 17:17.43 | JManV|Work | except a little time |
| 17:17.54 | tordy | never tried linux before |
| 17:17.59 | tordy | should i try the full firsrt |
| 17:18.15 | tordy | i know linux is better for servers too |
| 17:18.18 | Mexa_ | I'd might using linux if it weren't for the fact that I am stuck with Sony VAIO specific crap |
| 17:18.24 | tordy | ^ |
| 17:18.37 | tordy | oh yea |
| 17:18.52 | tordy | there's a few things linux might not work with in specific hardware |
| 17:18.54 | Nash|327 | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/project-workplace/21100-puzzle-rooms-working-title-a-cooperative-project/#p1 |
| 17:18.58 | JManV|Work | try jnetbook edition first |
| 17:18.58 | tordy | like nvidia optimus |
| 17:19.02 | JManV|Work | see if you like it |
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| 17:19.23 | Demonette | mhhh art section on sc2mapster is so dead... |
| 17:19.27 | tordy | hi nash |
| 17:19.31 | JManV|Work | i believe it also obscures some of the complexities of linux, which is good if you're not familiar with it |
| 17:19.48 | tordy | like what complexities are worth learning |
| 17:19.59 | Nash|327 | tordyface |
| 17:20.05 | JManV|Work | linux has all kinds of complexities |
| 17:20.31 | Nash|327 | PUZZLE ROOMS |
| 17:20.33 | JManV|Work | depending on how deep you want to get into it |
| 17:20.42 | tordy | gotta go deeper |
| 17:20.42 | JManV|Work | you could recompile the kernel if you wanted to |
| 17:20.50 | tordy | that's souns awesome |
| 17:21.14 | tordy | is debian really 300 million lines of code |
| 17:21.15 | tordy | holy moly |
| 17:21.32 | tordy | that multiple times more than windows and mac combined |
| 17:22.11 | JManV|Work | i haven't done much with programming linux |
| 17:22.16 | Nash|327 | pokes Dekar and JademusSreg |
| 17:22.24 | Dekar | slaps Nash|327 around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:22.36 | JManV|Work | i've done some stuff with creating custom interfaces for linux tho, which can be fun |
| 17:22.41 | Nash|327 | D:< |
| 17:23.13 | JManV|Work | i think what i didn't like about the netbook edition is that i'm already familiar with the normal gnome interface |
| 17:23.48 | JManV|Work | so it was more a matter of personal preference and what i'm already comfortable with |
| 17:24.29 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 17:24.39 | JademusSreg | Im reading a review of The Void. |
| 17:24.44 | tordy | JademusSreg is a netbook edition user! Flog him! |
| 17:24.50 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
| 17:25.06 | JademusSreg | I don't even know what that is. |
| 17:25.08 | JManV|Work | nothing wrong with being a netbook edition user |
| 17:25.23 | JManV|Work | llinux is 1ee7 |
| 17:25.44 | JManV|Work | er, 1337 |
| 17:25.46 | tordy | so you cant recompile the kernal with the netbook edition? |
| 17:25.47 | tordy | damn shame |
| 17:25.54 | JManV|Work | no, i'm sure you could |
| 17:26.10 | tordy | so wha's wrong with the netbook edition |
| 17:26.22 | tordy | they way it's called netbook edition makes it sound "weaker" in some way |
| 17:26.25 | JManV|Work | nothing |
| 17:26.35 | tordy | can i just use full on the laptop of 13" |
| 17:26.40 | JManV|Work | the interface is desined for smaller screens |
| 17:26.43 | JManV|Work | absolutely |
| 17:26.53 | tordy | it's just the gnome interface? |
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| 17:31.27 | tordy | now i want to buy some praying mantis eggs |
| 17:32.46 | Nash|327 | play the puzzle map :G |
| 17:34.23 | Clord | angry birds is huge... game is not revolutionary in itself but it came to right device to hog fame |
| 17:34.24 | Clord | XD |
| 17:34.35 | Clord | not that I dislike it |
| 17:34.38 | Clord | I like PC version |
| 17:35.38 | Nash|327 | worms is the only funny ballistics game |
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| 17:42.21 | AlphA_VsT | YaY fixed teh glitches in my key string |
| 17:42.22 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
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| 17:47.32 | Dekar | yay |
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| 17:49.05 | AlphA_VsT | YAY! |
| 17:49.09 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 17:49.13 | AlphA_VsT | now to encode the string with the hash |
| 17:49.29 | tordy | what are you doing |
| 17:49.51 | *** join/#sc2mapster burne- (d9186e73@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.24.110.115) |
| 17:49.55 | AlphA_VsT | generating a key file |
| 17:50.02 | AlphA_VsT | or well string |
| 17:50.19 | tordy | why |
| 17:50.28 | Skizot | you are all useless and i have found my OWN solution to my problem. good day sirs. |
| 17:50.36 | tordy | hi Skizot |
| 17:50.36 | AlphA_VsT | welcome Skizot |
| 17:50.48 | AlphA_VsT | for my bank saves of course tordy |
| 17:51.09 | tordy | i love banks |
| 17:51.14 | AlphA_VsT | fuck yeah |
| 17:51.15 | Nash|327 | and hash |
| 17:51.15 | tordy | how are you doing it exactly |
| 17:51.25 | tordy | what kind of hash |
| 17:51.40 | AlphA_VsT | i will show you when i get the hash in it |
| 17:52.02 | Nash|327 | you hash-lovers |
| 17:52.30 | tordy | are you concatenating all the values and then hashing that single combned value? |
| 17:52.37 | tordy | one problem |
| 17:53.03 | Nash|327 | hash smokers |
| 17:53.10 | tordy | yup |
| 17:53.15 | tordy | those smokers are a problem alright |
| 17:53.32 | AlphA_VsT | no this is a key to use to check the other data |
| 17:53.52 | tordy | how do you generate the key |
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| 17:53.56 | tordy | hash i mena |
| 17:54.07 | tordy | the butt |
| 17:54.14 | AlphA_VsT | md5 |
| 17:54.20 | Nash|327 | hash in the butt? |
| 17:54.24 | Nash|327 | that's kinky |
| 17:56.38 | AlphA_VsT | its only a 256 key and probably all the users save data will be a 256 string |
| 17:57.08 | tordy | i thought md5 only does 128 |
| 17:57.10 | Nash|327 | what are you doing with keys? |
| 17:57.32 | Nash|327 | MD5 sucks D: |
| 17:57.38 | tordy | U |
| 17:57.39 | tordy | SK |
| 17:57.52 | tordy | >:) |
| 17:57.56 | AlphA_VsT | lol its not like it has to be super hard |
| 17:58.09 | tordy | what are you doin |
| 17:58.26 | Nash|327 | it's easy to alter a file and still get the same MD5 hash :G |
| 17:58.32 | AlphA_VsT | if you hack the string the chance of it being valid when you join a multiplayer game is highly unlikely |
| 17:58.35 | Nash|327 | it has shite security |
| 17:59.07 | AlphA_VsT | but the md5 is encoded into the key file |
| 17:59.24 | tordy | that's ok |
| 17:59.29 | tordy | it' |
| 17:59.34 | AlphA_VsT | i mean once you figure it out yeah sure |
| 17:59.46 | tordy | it's easy to find a collision |
| 17:59.51 | tordy | not too easy to find a preimage |
| 17:59.55 | AlphA_VsT | but then you have to figure out my own encoding |
| 18:00.04 | tordy | how bout i encode YOU |
| 18:01.48 | Mexa_ | Alpha, tell me when it's done :D |
| 18:01.57 | tordy | so mexa can hack it |
| 18:02.16 | Mexa_ | Thing being, even though it even is SHA-512, it is broken |
| 18:02.22 | AlphA_VsT | almsot done |
| 18:02.37 | Mexa_ | Great |
| 18:02.41 | Mexa_ | I'm going to get a pizza |
| 18:02.45 | tordy | wait! |
| 18:02.45 | Mexa_ | and then off to a dev-lan |
| 18:02.50 | tordy | what kind of pizza |
| 18:02.57 | Mexa_ | mexicana |
| 18:02.58 | Mexa_ | :3 |
| 18:03.01 | Nash|327 | how the hell do you get security for banks D_D |
| 18:03.09 | tordy | carefully |
| 18:03.33 | Mexa_ | If Blizz stored a hash on their server, it would be pretty secure |
| 18:03.40 | Mexa_ | or even the bank itself |
| 18:03.51 | Dekar | or protected maps |
| 18:03.57 | tordy | protect the god damn maps! |
| 18:04.05 | Mexa_ | Steam is secure, pretty much, and alot of content regarding achievements and stuff is stored on your pc |
| 18:04.10 | Mexa_ | and then synced with the steamcloud |
| 18:04.20 | Mexa_ | So Blizz should do something similar. |
| 18:04.23 | Dekar | yeah, thats why there are tools to unlock and lock achievements |
| 18:04.35 | Mexa_ | Still very rare |
| 18:04.44 | Mexa_ | on Steaam I mean. |
| 18:04.47 | Dekar | so rare that valve bans their users |
| 18:04.58 | Dekar | when they feel like it |
| 18:04.59 | Dekar | :p |
| 18:05.09 | tordy | stsem bans for hackin |
| 18:05.12 | tordy | that's about it |
| 18:05.21 | Nash|327 | STAEM BANS 4 HAXIN |
| 18:05.25 | Mexa_ | manipulating your achievement success is a sort of hacking |
| 18:05.30 | tordy | by hacking i mean |
| 18:05.36 | tordy | hacking on a vac secure server |
| 18:05.36 | Dekar | you got unlock items in tf2 for it |
| 18:05.40 | JademusSreg | http://kotaku.com/#!5796666/why-is-apple-allowing-mario-clones-on-itunes |
| 18:05.43 | JademusSreg | Wakka wakka |
| 18:05.43 | Mexa_ | Not hacking itseld, but you use a hacking tool |
| 18:05.44 | Dekar | not sure if you could get multiple though |
| 18:05.51 | tordy | you can manipulate achievements offline |
| 18:05.57 | tordy | outside of a vac secure server |
| 18:06.01 | tordy | so yea wont get banned |
| 18:06.04 | Mexa_ | Jadmeus, lol |
| 18:06.07 | tordy | but valve can detect it |
| 18:06.26 | tordy | i remember lots of people used the tf2 achievement unlocker |
| 18:06.35 | tordy | got their items taken away |
| 18:06.37 | *** join/#sc2mapster Skizot (skizot@pool-108-9-82-39.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 18:06.41 | Skizot | Helral |
| 18:06.43 | Skizot | you here? |
| 18:06.46 | Mexa_ | At least it's not like the removal of all tetris clones |
| 18:06.52 | Skizot | Helral|Work |
| 18:07.01 | tordy | Helral: is right here |
| 18:07.19 | Dekar | fucking spinoffs |
| 18:07.20 | Dekar | lol |
| 18:07.27 | Nash|327 | just start a server and pwn bots |
| 18:07.27 | Dekar | @monino |
| 18:08.35 | Mexa_ | brb |
| 18:08.48 | JademusSreg | This planet is ridiculous. |
| 18:09.04 | Dekar | lets all slap the autoafk |
| 18:09.08 | Dekar | xD |
| 18:09.22 | Dekar | for we havenothing else to do |
| 18:09.35 | Dekar | except grabbing sometinhg to eat, brb |
| 18:09.45 | Nash|327 | bag a tun |
| 18:11.43 | Dekar | tuna bag |
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| 18:15.21 | tordy | test |
| 18:15.27 | Nash|327 | untest |
| 18:16.10 | Nash|327 | your test is now null and void |
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| 18:20.06 | Skizot | Helral or Helral|Work wake up! |
| 18:20.20 | Nash|327 | KITTUNS |
| 18:20.38 | Nash|327 | MEOW |
| 18:20.55 | Nash|327 | Huh, didn't work. |
| 18:22.41 | burne- | How do i not destroy beams? |
| 18:22.44 | burne- | they auto destroy for me |
| 18:23.02 | burne- | Iv managed to prevent this sometime but dont remember -_- |
| 18:23.26 | burne- | ah |
| 18:23.35 | burne- | must be something in beam actor |
| 18:26.01 | AlphA_VsT | mexa you there |
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| 18:26.18 | AlphA_VsT | well here is your string mexa 05691AF51A0813409X0905803X2424227M200133528922E332M4669232E8343204E8132696X748623BB852D3271A8296867M6272528X6693272E298634C8836E6426X6491769X7832408A8847689A308 |
| 18:28.35 | AlphA_VsT | First part is easy more than likely can guess what it says |
| 18:30.06 | AlphA_VsT | anyone? |
| 18:30.19 | Bounty | lolwut |
| 18:30.30 | AlphA_VsT | thats my generated key Bounty for my banks |
| 18:30.45 | Bounty | *shrug* Never used banks |
| 18:30.54 | AlphA_VsT | i have a bit |
| 18:31.01 | AlphA_VsT | i need to encode them though |
| 18:31.57 | AlphA_VsT | and i have made a key string to verify data |
| 18:32.09 | AlphA_VsT | mexa wants to break it |
| 18:34.37 | AlphA_VsT | im sure he can after a while |
| 18:39.25 | AlphA_VsT | blah |
| 18:41.16 | Nash|327 | and once you break it you can decrypt any string encoded with the same system D_D |
| 18:42.22 | AlphA_VsT | no i get that |
| 18:42.34 | AlphA_VsT | im just wanting to make it so not worth it |
| 18:43.21 | AlphA_VsT | and mostly its fun |
| 18:47.16 | Dekar | you miss one important part |
| 18:47.20 | Dekar | hacking is fun too :) |
| 18:47.25 | AlphA_VsT | true |
| 18:47.45 | AlphA_VsT | but if someone wants to take the time to get around it 0.o |
| 18:47.50 | AlphA_VsT | good for them |
| 18:49.20 | Nash|327 | 500 ninja kittuns |
| 18:49.58 | Skizot | kittens suck. puppies rule! |
| 18:50.15 | AlphA_VsT | fuck them both |
| 18:50.40 | Skizot | evoking Helral here. |
| 18:50.41 | Skizot | can it. |
| 18:50.44 | Nash|327 | bestiality freak |
| 18:51.50 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 18:51.52 | AlphA_VsT | no |
| 18:52.31 | Nash|327 | you're fucking sick D: |
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| 19:07.16 | AlphA_VsT | whos sick |
| 19:08.01 | Nash|327 | you are |
| 19:08.11 | AlphA_VsT | why :( |
| 19:08.20 | Nash|327 | bestiality sicko fuck |
| 19:10.33 | AlphA_VsT | no |
| 19:10.45 | Nash|327 | um yes |
| 19:12.17 | AlphA_VsT | not even |
| 19:12.25 | Dekar | all of you are babies |
| 19:14.05 | AlphA_VsT | no |
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| 19:16.47 | Bibendus|AFK | i may start another hive keeper test |
| 19:17.10 | *** join/#sc2mapster Mexa (53e93ab0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.233.58.176) |
| 19:17.14 | Mexa | There we go |
| 19:17.18 | burne- | hmmm |
| 19:17.20 | Mexa | Did I miss anything? |
| 19:17.40 | burne- | Should i make my lightning weapon contininius ligthing or single shot |
| 19:17.56 | Dekar | we found out who a bestiality sicko fuck is |
| 19:17.56 | burne- | continuous looks a bit stupid when unit turns but in a way its quite cool |
| 19:18.32 | AlphA_VsT | yes mexa |
| 19:18.39 | Bibendus | that ill start a hive keeper test later |
| 19:18.46 | AlphA_VsT | 05691AF51A0813409X0905803X2424227M200133528922E332M4669232E8343204E8132696X748623BB852D3271A8296867M6272528X6693272E298634C8836E6426X6491769X7832408A8847689A308 here is your key mexa |
| 19:18.51 | Mexa | lol |
| 19:18.53 | AlphA_VsT | as it currently stands |
| 19:18.58 | AlphA_VsT | have fun |
| 19:18.58 | Mexa | Neat |
| 19:19.05 | Dekar | oh i know |
| 19:19.10 | Dekar | the first word is MEXA |
| 19:19.11 | Mexa | You know Alpha |
| 19:19.12 | AlphA_VsT | should be simple to know what it says |
| 19:19.20 | Mexa | Lol |
| 19:19.22 | Bibendus | dekar sure wants to test |
| 19:19.22 | Bibendus | :P |
| 19:19.22 | Mexa | You silly |
| 19:19.24 | AlphA_VsT | but thats not the point |
| 19:19.35 | Mexa | Can you give me the protected version of the map, then I will crack it |
| 19:19.42 | Dekar | ok Bibendus |
| 19:19.43 | Mexa | Theres no point in giving me a random hash |
| 19:19.45 | Dekar | im online anyway |
| 19:19.49 | AlphA_VsT | sure there is :P |
| 19:19.55 | Bibendus | later |
| 19:19.56 | Mexa | no |
| 19:19.57 | Bibendus | now checking |
| 19:19.58 | Bibendus | if it works |
| 19:19.59 | Bibendus | in single :P |
| 19:20.00 | Mexa | <.< |
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| 19:21.12 | Bibendus | maybe skizot will be able to try the map |
| 19:21.13 | Bibendus | this time |
| 19:21.14 | Bibendus | xD |
| 19:21.28 | burne- | have you dont any changes? |
| 19:21.30 | Bibendus | everytime i test the map he goes away |
| 19:21.34 | Bibendus | yep |
| 19:21.38 | Mexa | Alpha_vst, meh, pointless is pointless |
| 19:21.39 | Bibendus | the dig highlight |
| 19:21.47 | Bibendus | i reworked enterely the trigger |
| 19:22.00 | Bibendus | then i discovered i just needed to change 1 row on the old one |
| 19:22.05 | Bibendus | but that should be ok anyway :P |
| 19:22.17 | Bibendus | rewriting is always a good thing |
| 19:22.30 | Skizot | test map? |
| 19:22.35 | Skizot | om MY internets? |
| 19:22.43 | Nash|327 | bag-a-kittun |
| 19:22.49 | Skizot | you'd have to wait until tonight when all the LEECHES are alseeps |
| 19:22.51 | Bibendus | your internet suckz? |
| 19:22.51 | Bibendus | xD |
| 19:22.56 | Bibendus | lol |
| 19:23.42 | Nash|327 | download the puzzle map guys |
| 19:23.53 | Bibendus | bejeweled? |
| 19:24.01 | Nash|327 | and see if you like the concept/want to contribute :G |
| 19:24.15 | *** join/#sc2mapster Stewox (563a22a6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.86.58.34.166) |
| 19:24.32 | Nash|327 | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/project-workplace/21100-puzzle-rooms-working-title-a-cooperative-project/#p1 |
| 19:24.41 | AlphA_VsT | lol mexa the point is i only have the key done |
| 19:25.00 | AlphA_VsT | i need to add in other stuff before anyone can try to break it :P |
| 19:25.11 | AlphA_VsT | once i get the char creation done |
| 19:25.16 | AlphA_VsT | should be about then |
| 19:26.43 | AlphA_VsT | point being though that the key shouldnt be all that hard to figure out its parts and how the hash is encoded into it |
| 19:27.13 | AlphA_VsT | hulu time |
| 19:27.36 | Mexa | eh |
| 19:27.56 | AlphA_VsT | lol more liek lunch |
| 19:27.58 | AlphA_VsT | but yeah |
| 19:28.04 | Mexa | Considering I know nothing about the encryption algoritm you are using and what string was encrypted, how should I even guess? |
| 19:28.12 | Mexa | Nothing about the data |
| 19:28.15 | Stewox | bounty , how much do you think you optimized the code or used the abilites in speedcraft , is this the max galaxy can do for now ? |
| 19:28.20 | Mexa | I see no point in even trying |
| 19:28.21 | AlphA_VsT | fine dont and be lame |
| 19:28.33 | AlphA_VsT | im jsut kidding i know |
| 19:28.36 | Stewox | i see blizzard has to optimize response time for keys greately |
| 19:28.37 | Mexa | You're lame :d |
| 19:28.37 | AlphA_VsT | but its all i got right now |
| 19:28.45 | Mexa | Alright |
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| 19:28.54 | Mexa | When you got more, vouche about it |
| 19:28.55 | Mexa | lol |
| 19:28.55 | Mexa | :> |
| 19:29.13 | Mexa | nashie |
| 19:29.17 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 19:29.21 | Nash|327 | mexasmelly |
| 19:29.26 | Mexa | :v |
| 19:29.31 | AlphA_VsT | i will let you hopefully its not so easy when i get tehre |
| 19:29.32 | Mexa | smelly cat |
| 19:29.35 | Mexa | smeeeely cat |
| 19:29.39 | Mexa | why wont they feed you? |
| 19:29.50 | Nash|327 | wrong lyrics |
| 19:29.56 | Mexa | right lyrics |
| 19:29.59 | Dekar | Bibendus when are you doooooooooone? |
| 19:30.03 | Nash|327 | negative |
| 19:30.06 | Nash|327 | google it |
| 19:30.23 | Bibendus | mm |
| 19:30.26 | Bibendus | there is still a bug |
| 19:30.27 | Bibendus | xD |
| 19:30.27 | Mexa | *what are they feeding you |
| 19:30.29 | Mexa | oh well |
| 19:30.30 | Mexa | .__ |
| 19:30.36 | Nash|327 | OWNED |
| 19:30.40 | Mexa | :p |
| 19:31.08 | Nash|327 | Don't fuck with my memory! |
| 19:31.14 | Nash|327 | You'll get OWNED! |
| 19:31.14 | Dekar | Bibendus we have to test a alpha of my map after! |
| 19:31.39 | Bibendus | oh noes |
| 19:31.39 | Bibendus | xD |
| 19:31.43 | Bibendus | what's that? |
| 19:31.47 | Bibendus | does it have a cake inside? |
| 19:31.53 | Bibendus | a pie |
| 19:31.53 | Bibendus | sorry |
| 19:32.02 | Nash|327 | CAKE! |
| 19:32.05 | Dekar | not yet |
| 19:32.07 | Bibendus | no |
| 19:32.10 | Bibendus | only the pie is a lie |
| 19:32.17 | Bibendus | the cake is... fake? |
| 19:32.18 | Dekar | the cake is a fake |
| 19:32.19 | Nash|327 | THE CAKE IS A FAKE |
| 19:32.22 | Bibendus | :P |
| 19:32.23 | Nash|327 | D_D |
| 19:32.28 | Dekar | HIVEMIND |
| 19:32.30 | Bibendus | why the hell |
| 19:32.32 | Bibendus | lol |
| 19:32.34 | Nash|327 | contains fish shaped sediment |
| 19:32.37 | Bibendus | hive keeper is controlling you all |
| 19:32.38 | Bibendus | bitches |
| 19:33.47 | Dustin|Lappy | I dont even know wtf you're talking about Bibe...ALL GLORY TO THE HIVE KEEPER. |
| 19:34.23 | Bibendus | dustin its my map |
| 19:34.23 | Bibendus | :_| |
| 19:34.26 | Bibendus | u should know that |
| 19:34.33 | Dustin|Lappy | I know :P |
| 19:34.40 | Dustin|Lappy | I just made a Futurama refrence |
| 19:34.41 | Bibendus | so u know what i m talking about! |
| 19:34.43 | Nash|327 | http://allrecipes.magnify.net/video/Portal-Cake-Recipe |
| 19:34.44 | Bibendus | oh |
| 19:34.48 | Bibendus | hypnorosp? |
| 19:34.49 | Dustin|Lappy | Jerk :P |
| 19:34.52 | Bibendus | hypnofrog |
| 19:34.54 | Bibendus | what was that |
| 19:34.54 | Dustin|Lappy | HYPOTOAD |
| 19:34.57 | Bibendus | toad |
| 19:35.03 | Bibendus | hypnotoad |
| 19:35.05 | Dustin|Lappy | hehe |
| 19:35.43 | Bibendus | lol? |
| 19:36.06 | Bounty | >< |
| 19:39.20 | *** join/#sc2mapster Xapti (~Xapti@S0106001fbc08a819.wp.shawcable.net) |
| 19:43.17 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 19:43.29 | SilverSeraphim | is it possible to use achievment icons for in-game dialogs? |
| 19:43.41 | SilverSeraphim | i see the "achievment sheets" but they aren't cut into icons |
| 19:43.46 | Bounty | Fuck im loving the Project TMA backlash thread |
| 19:43.47 | Mexa | it exists |
| 19:43.56 | Mexa | It might be hidden from the editor |
| 19:44.03 | Bounty | Pure Quality Entertainment >< |
| 19:44.14 | Bounty | Hey Mexa |
| 19:44.19 | Bounty | How bad is SpeedCraft doing on EU? lol |
| 19:44.22 | Mexa | But since it is an image sheet, it might not be possible to crop out |
| 19:44.27 | Mexa | bad? |
| 19:44.32 | Mexa | 50 minutes or so |
| 19:44.33 | Mexa | :) |
| 19:44.34 | Mexa | :3 |
| 19:44.37 | Bounty | nice |
| 19:44.38 | Bibendus | ook |
| 19:44.40 | Bibendus | I may test |
| 19:44.41 | Bounty | thats 50 more then it has on US |
| 19:44.42 | Bibendus | hive keeper |
| 19:44.42 | Bibendus | now |
| 19:44.44 | Bounty | >< |
| 19:44.48 | Mexa | lol |
| 19:44.52 | Bibendus | it seems to work |
| 19:44.52 | SilverSeraphim | Mexa: well it obviously has to be cropped out somehow, it's used in bnet |
| 19:45.01 | JademusSreg | Silver, yes. |
| 19:45.04 | Nash|327 | THIS LOOKS CROPPED |
| 19:45.14 | Mexa | Silver, but battle.net is not written in galaxy so |
| 19:45.21 | SilverSeraphim | i see |
| 19:45.46 | JademusSreg | UI frames are all pretty much the same. |
| 19:45.59 | JademusSreg | Whether they are bnet glues or in game junk. |
| 19:46.30 | Mexa | Jade, yeah but the problem is rather to get out the offset of an image placed in a sheet |
| 19:46.40 | Mexa | Like the portraits and achievement icons |
| 19:47.01 | Mexa | I'm not sure that is possible through dialogs |
| 19:47.06 | SilverSeraphim | oh |
| 19:47.30 | SilverSeraphim | so dialogs don't have a way to access only a portion of these sheets? |
| 19:47.49 | Mexa | possible the very first image only |
| 19:48.05 | SilverSeraphim | well that's no good |
| 19:48.51 | Mexa | you can tell an image in a dialog item to have specific qualities which determine how it will handle the image it has |
| 19:49.04 | Mexa | But, not for imagesheets |
| 19:49.06 | Mexa | not those |
| 19:49.10 | Mexa | I mean... |
| 19:49.37 | AlphA_VsT | whats your issue? |
| 19:49.45 | SilverSeraphim | but blizzard shows achievement icons in game.... |
| 19:49.49 | SilverSeraphim | when you earn that achievement |
| 19:49.50 | SilverSeraphim | right? |
| 19:49.53 | AlphA_VsT | yes |
| 19:49.54 | SilverSeraphim | how do THEY access them? |
| 19:50.24 | JademusSreg | You mean a single area out of a texture? |
| 19:50.56 | SilverSeraphim | yeah |
| 19:50.59 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 19:51.08 | Mexa | Internally |
| 19:51.17 | JademusSreg | Probably. |
| 19:51.21 | Mexa | Achievements are used in blizzard maps only |
| 19:51.32 | Mexa | You use one of the Achievement natives |
| 19:52.01 | Mexa | native void AchievementAward (int player, string name); // Blizzard maps only |
| 19:52.03 | JademusSreg | I figure you could check the layout files for anything on it. |
| 19:52.14 | Mexa | So the game already knows what image to use |
| 19:53.04 | AlphA_VsT | yeah |
| 19:53.07 | Mexa | Well, what I see you could do is to find the sheet and cut out every image and save them separately |
| 19:53.15 | Mexa | and then use your own system to achieve the images |
| 19:53.32 | Mexa | But it feels abit too much of work |
| 19:54.01 | SilverSeraphim | lol yeah |
| 19:54.03 | Mexa | Bounty, make some shameful advertising so that people play it on the eu map night |
| 19:54.05 | SilverSeraphim | that does seem like a LOT of work |
| 19:54.19 | SilverSeraphim | manually cut out all the icons then re-import them |
| 19:54.26 | Bibendus | so |
| 19:54.31 | Bibendus | i need 3 testers for hive keeper |
| 19:54.32 | Bibendus | who offers |
| 19:54.36 | Bibendus | whisp me |
| 19:54.38 | Bibendus | or say bibendus |
| 19:54.43 | Mexa | It feels dull in a sense that you have to use more space to store images already existing in the liberty archive in the first place |
| 19:54.53 | Mexa | Bibendus |
| 19:55.16 | Bibendus | we have 1 |
| 19:55.16 | Bibendus | :P |
| 19:55.22 | Mexa | lol |
| 19:55.22 | AlphA_VsT | lol mexa |
| 19:55.27 | Mexa | Hai alpha |
| 19:55.28 | Bibendus | 1 winner! |
| 19:55.29 | Bibendus | obviously |
| 19:55.30 | Bibendus | :P |
| 19:55.37 | Dekar | slaps Bibendus around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:55.39 | Mexa | What did I win? |
| 19:55.42 | SilverSeraphim | apparently Helral had already solved this problem: |
| 19:55.42 | SilverSeraphim | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:55.42 | SilverSeraphim | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:55.42 | SilverSeraphim | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:55.59 | Mexa | oh |
| 19:56.01 | Mexa | yeah |
| 19:56.04 | Mexa | that seems to work |
| 19:56.11 | JademusSreg | Clever. |
| 19:56.13 | Mexa | clever |
| 19:56.15 | Mexa | indeed:p |
| 19:56.17 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 19:56.32 | Bibendus | other 2 testers needed |
| 19:56.40 | burne- | 4 weapons readyyy yay |
| 19:56.42 | SilverSeraphim | if helral were a pokemon, he'd be a psychic type pokemon |
| 19:56.50 | JademusSreg | Psychioc cat. |
| 19:56.53 | Bibendus | psyduck? |
| 19:56.54 | Clord | Bounty.. at least you don't have this problem |
| 19:56.56 | JademusSreg | *PSychic cat |
| 19:57.00 | JademusSreg | Fuckit,. |
| 19:57.00 | Clord | you upload many different maps |
| 19:57.01 | Bounty | What problem? |
| 19:57.03 | Mexa | He would be Me(o)w |
| 19:57.15 | Clord | but your fans are ignorant that your other maps even exist |
| 19:57.20 | Clord | XD |
| 19:57.29 | Bibendus | all players of his maps are ignorant |
| 19:57.30 | Bibendus | yes |
| 19:57.33 | Bounty | i dont understand lol |
| 19:57.33 | Bibendus | :P |
| 19:57.38 | Bounty | i DO have that problem |
| 19:57.43 | Clord | should have realized when uploaded maps first time.. to add style |
| 19:57.47 | Clord | THE Card Game by Clord |
| 19:57.48 | Bibendus | i think he wants u to advertise |
| 19:57.52 | Clord | Fortress Fight by Clord |
| 19:57.53 | Clord | etc |
| 19:57.54 | Bibendus | inside all your maps |
| 19:57.56 | Bibendus | that u made other maps |
| 19:57.56 | burne- | Im getting a feeling my driving game could be better as driving/arena fighting game |
| 19:57.57 | Bounty | I do advertise |
| 19:57.59 | Bounty | alot |
| 19:57.59 | burne- | with all thse guns |
| 19:58.00 | Mexa | Maybe the players just don't know they exist? |
| 19:58.10 | Bounty | but i just choose not to go to the advertising extremes |
| 19:58.14 | Dekar | Bibendus when will you make d2000 calim river? |
| 19:58.17 | Bounty | ie Rodrigo |
| 19:58.20 | Bounty | the problem for me |
| 19:58.25 | Bibendus | not going to |
| 19:58.30 | Bounty | i made a popular map |
| 19:58.31 | Bibendus | cuz i may have problems |
| 19:58.31 | Dekar | aww |
| 19:58.31 | Clord | I have been running this test |
| 19:58.33 | Bounty | and thats all i am |
| 19:58.35 | Bounty | thats the problem |
| 19:58.36 | Clord | there has been on my front page map |
| 19:58.39 | Bounty | I'm the Doodad Hunt guy |
| 19:58.40 | Clord | advertisement |
| 19:58.42 | Bibendus | with stupid wizards of the coast rules |
| 19:58.43 | Clord | to play my other maps |
| 19:58.47 | Clord | so far results are SLOW |
| 19:58.47 | Bibendus | copyrights and shits |
| 19:58.48 | Clord | XD |
| 19:58.58 | Dekar | burne- arena where you have to destroy the other cars? |
| 19:59.00 | Clord | and my main map has like over 4400 bookmarks lol |
| 19:59.06 | Bibendus | and actually with this editor |
| 19:59.07 | Mexa | it has? |
| 19:59.09 | burne- | Dekar: yea something like that |
| 19:59.09 | Mexa | Which one? |
| 19:59.10 | Bibendus | it would be too easy to make a D&D engine |
| 19:59.11 | Bounty | Doodad Hunt has over 200 bookmarks |
| 19:59.22 | Bounty | and i havent advertised it in atleast 6 months |
| 19:59.23 | Bibendus | i enjoy challanges, not easy stuff xD |
| 19:59.27 | burne- | I might do it later if the racing thing fails or might do it just for funs |
| 19:59.31 | Bounty | even though i keep producing more maps |
| 19:59.33 | burne- | could be interesting CTF too |
| 19:59.35 | burne- | with cars |
| 19:59.36 | Bounty | Doodad Hunt is still my most popular somehow |
| 19:59.37 | Bounty | lol |
| 19:59.39 | Mexa | Jademus map managed very fine too |
| 19:59.43 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 19:59.46 | Bounty | and by todays standards, Doodad Hunt is shit |
| 19:59.46 | Dekar | Clord death note probably just is bad map :p |
| 19:59.53 | Mexa | And he didnt do any advertising but except one time on sc2mapster I think |
| 19:59.54 | Clord | THE Card Game in EU.. over 4400 bookmarks.. in US.... over 500 bookmarks |
| 20:00.04 | Clord | I uploaded it to US about 45 days ago |
| 20:00.05 | Clord | ^^ |
| 20:00.05 | Dekar | i shall play death note |
| 20:00.06 | Bibendus | bookmarks? |
| 20:00.07 | Clord | so no bad |
| 20:00.09 | Bibendus | how do you see them |
| 20:00.09 | Dekar | unless bibendus is done |
| 20:00.10 | Bibendus | and where? |
| 20:00.11 | Bibendus | :D |
| 20:00.16 | Mexa | You hover on the map |
| 20:00.17 | Bibendus | i've done |
| 20:00.26 | Bounty | I think my problem is focus |
| 20:00.26 | Mexa | and you see the amount |
| 20:00.27 | Bibendus | we still need 1 tester for hive keeper |
| 20:00.30 | Bibendus | it's a fast test |
| 20:00.41 | Clord | my shinigami note map needs love |
| 20:00.42 | Dekar | will it break so fast? |
| 20:00.43 | Bounty | Someone told me i could have made the equivilant to God of War 3 by now |
| 20:00.43 | Bibendus | just need to check if dig selection effects work in multy |
| 20:00.47 | Clord | now go murder your friends with virtual note |
| 20:00.49 | Clord | XD |
| 20:00.50 | Bounty | If i had focused on a single project >< |
| 20:00.52 | Mexa | If your map is going to be addicted, it will go well |
| 20:00.58 | Bibendus | yep bounty |
| 20:01.01 | Mexa | *addicting |
| 20:01.02 | Bibendus | you should focus on a big project |
| 20:01.07 | Bibendus | instead of making tonz of small maps |
| 20:01.07 | Bounty | im trying |
| 20:01.13 | Bounty | but i fucking lose it halfway through |
| 20:01.15 | Bounty | like |
| 20:01.18 | JademusSreg | Mexa, I have a topic on several forums, but besides mapster and the hive, they are all fairly small. |
| 20:01.18 | Bounty | i spent weeks on terrain |
| 20:01.20 | Bounty | for a map |
| 20:01.22 | Bounty | then i said fuck it |
| 20:01.25 | Bounty | and started a new one |
| 20:01.27 | Bounty | >< |
| 20:01.27 | Mexa | Ah, okay |
| 20:01.30 | Bibendus | lol |
| 20:01.35 | Bounty | and the terrain i made is easily the best ive ever done |
| 20:01.45 | Mexa | JademusSreg, and people find your map extremely addicting to play |
| 20:01.53 | JademusSreg | I'm glad. So do I. |
| 20:01.54 | burne- | Dekar: next im gona work with mines |
| 20:01.57 | Mexa | And I've seen plenty of skilled players now already:P |
| 20:02.05 | Bounty | You know why people like JademusSregs map? |
| 20:02.13 | Clord | reminds me why THE Card Game is popular in EU and is rapidly becoming popular in US |
| 20:02.14 | Mexa | Because it is addicting |
| 20:02.15 | Bounty | because people have been let down on that map type since beta |
| 20:02.15 | Clord | it is addicting |
| 20:02.20 | Bounty | and someone finally got it right |
| 20:02.25 | burne- | Dekar: gotta try to make them different too |
| 20:02.27 | Dekar | mines which turn you car up to 90° in a random direction burne-? |
| 20:02.29 | Bounty | that map had a fan base before it was even launched >< |
| 20:02.35 | burne- | as you suggested probly emp mines and stuff |
| 20:02.44 | JademusSreg | The best player on NA I've seen is Dinare; he's kicked ass in every game I |
| 20:02.46 | burne- | normal mines do that a bit too |
| 20:02.48 | JademusSreg | ve played with ihm. |
| 20:02.57 | burne- | make your car spin a bit |
| 20:03.02 | Clord | THE Card Game map probably too..... became popular from fact that finally someone made map what got it right XD |
| 20:03.09 | Clord | card genre map what was actually good |
| 20:03.09 | Mexa | Jade, I saw even since today people who manage to go throw even the craziest spots |
| 20:03.10 | Clord | widely |
| 20:03.23 | JademusSreg | I love that. <3 |
| 20:03.26 | Bounty | I dont even know how Doodad Hunt got popular |
| 20:03.28 | Nash|327 | people don't want new stuff |
| 20:03.31 | Bounty | i remember the launch day |
| 20:03.32 | Mexa | The Card Game map is a legacy map in reality also, isn't it? |
| 20:03.38 | Bounty | i launched it at 7AM |
| 20:03.43 | Bounty | came back on at around 6PM |
| 20:03.46 | Bounty | and it was on page 2 |
| 20:03.48 | Bounty | then page 1 |
| 20:03.49 | Clord | Mexa... what way? :) |
| 20:03.55 | Dekar | card shuffle is wc3 remake |
| 20:03.57 | Mexa | Nash, people want easy learning maps |
| 20:04.14 | Mexa | Clord, I think I saw it on wc3 |
| 20:04.14 | *** join/#sc2mapster grim001 (~chatzilla@c-69-246-170-145.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 20:04.15 | Bounty | No |
| 20:04.18 | Bounty | its not even that Mexa |
| 20:04.19 | Mexa | So it's already fammiliar |
| 20:04.22 | Dekar | and card shuffle managed to have worse controls than the wc3 map |
| 20:04.28 | Bounty | There are plenty of easy learn maps that are great but ppl still dont play them |
| 20:04.37 | Bounty | People want the SAME thing they got in wc3 and sc1 |
| 20:04.38 | *** join/#sc2mapster blub_ (~blub@93.83.4.189) |
| 20:04.47 | Dekar | Clord come lets play shinigami note NOW |
| 20:04.47 | Mexa | Ask Jade |
| 20:04.48 | Bounty | They dont want to learn new things |
| 20:04.50 | Mexa | He succeeded |
| 20:04.51 | Dekar | im already in the lobby |
| 20:04.53 | Clord | Mexa... it is distant relative to Card Shuffle but not really more than that |
| 20:04.54 | Dekar | but nobody joins |
| 20:04.57 | Mexa | And it's definitly a new map |
| 20:05.01 | JademusSreg | Nihil novi sub sole. |
| 20:05.02 | Clord | Dekar.. EU or US? |
| 20:05.03 | Clord | XD |
| 20:05.04 | Dekar | eu |
| 20:05.07 | Clord | okay |
| 20:05.08 | Clord | :) |
| 20:05.09 | Dekar | yay |
| 20:05.11 | Bounty | Are you responding to what i just said Mexa? |
| 20:05.13 | Bounty | hard to tell |
| 20:05.15 | Dekar | come on eu people |
| 20:05.15 | Clord | let's see where I have localized currently |
| 20:05.25 | Clord | we need players |
| 20:05.28 | Clord | as it is harder that way |
| 20:05.29 | Clord | ^^ |
| 20:05.34 | Bibendus | whats shinigami |
| 20:05.34 | Bibendus | xD |
| 20:05.35 | Mexa | Bounty, I know, lots of people do not like change |
| 20:05.39 | Clord | it is murder map |
| 20:05.44 | Clord | or kill the murderer |
| 20:05.46 | Bibendus | your map dekar? |
| 20:05.47 | Clord | there is even powerups |
| 20:05.49 | Clord | randomly placed |
| 20:05.53 | *** join/#sc2mapster Exaken (4dfb144d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.251.20.77) |
| 20:05.54 | Mexa | But if it's a complex map that is just going to make the learning process harder |
| 20:05.55 | Dekar | clords red haired stepchild map |
| 20:06.22 | JademusSreg | Complexity vs Complicated =D |
| 20:06.28 | Bounty | I just wish i could hit that sweet spot i did with Doodad Hunt again |
| 20:06.31 | burne- | Dekar: whats that game like? how do you play it? |
| 20:06.32 | Bounty | But do it right this time |
| 20:06.36 | burne- | Dekar: the note game |
| 20:06.41 | Dekar | ask clord! |
| 20:06.45 | Dekar | or join us |
| 20:06.57 | Dekar | but i think you had to type the name of the other players character |
| 20:06.59 | Dekar | and then he dies |
| 20:07.01 | Bibendus | i just opened the test thread |
| 20:07.03 | Bounty | I thought i was doing good with the map im working on now but all i hear is QQ lol |
| 20:07.11 | Bounty | in here mostly |
| 20:07.21 | Bibendus | http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/hive-keeper/forum/21108-closed-alpha-test-april-28-2011/ |
| 20:07.32 | Bounty | Bibendus |
| 20:07.38 | Bounty | on your next trailer for Hive Keeper |
| 20:07.38 | Bibendus | what |
| 20:07.40 | Bounty | you should put |
| 20:07.44 | burne- | if there would be something to play I would test it |
| 20:07.48 | Bounty | "Over 9 months in the making" |
| 20:07.52 | Bounty | >< |
| 20:07.52 | Bibendus | lol burne |
| 20:07.55 | burne- | :D |
| 20:07.57 | Bibendus | bounty |
| 20:08.00 | Bibendus | its not over 9 months |
| 20:08.02 | Bibendus | :| |
| 20:08.04 | Bounty | I know |
| 20:08.08 | Bounty | But thats what TMA did |
| 20:08.12 | Bounty | got them alot of positive responses |
| 20:08.16 | Bounty | give it a go |
| 20:08.20 | Bounty | roll them dice |
| 20:08.29 | Mexa | TMA got alot of negative responses too |
| 20:08.33 | Bibendus | lol |
| 20:08.34 | Bibendus | rly |
| 20:08.36 | Bibendus | i think that tma |
| 20:08.42 | Bibendus | is nothing new |
| 20:08.46 | Bibendus | i only like new concepts |
| 20:08.54 | Mexa | What I like with TMA is the nice custom UI |
| 20:08.57 | Mexa | the most |
| 20:08.58 | Bounty | i was the first person to post in that forum with something real lol |
| 20:08.58 | Bibendus | so that's... arena and dota |
| 20:08.59 | Bibendus | wow... |
| 20:09.00 | Bibendus | new |
| 20:09.02 | Bounty | then it all rolled donwhill |
| 20:09.04 | Bounty | after my post |
| 20:09.06 | Bounty | all i said was |
| 20:09.16 | JademusSreg | Who cares what -people- think, Bounty? Set your mark, hit it, release, feedback, refine. Either it fails or it doesn't. No use talking about it. |
| 20:09.22 | Bounty | Not to be a dick but, the video was boring and i really hope this shit didnt take you guys 9 months lol |
| 20:09.35 | Bounty | I care Jademus because i like playing my maps |
| 20:09.39 | Bounty | whenever i want |
| 20:09.40 | Exaken | Bibendus, still need someone to test hive keeper? |
| 20:09.43 | Mexa | It probably did take 9 months |
| 20:09.46 | Bounty | No |
| 20:09.46 | Bibendus | yep |
| 20:09.48 | Bounty | there is no way it did |
| 20:09.51 | JademusSreg | I'm most pleased when you're not chatting because I imagine you working on your maps instead. =D |
| 20:09.55 | Mexa | Bounty |
| 20:09.56 | Bounty | Dryeye was working on an RPG not to long ago |
| 20:10.02 | Mexa | They have custom resources |
| 20:10.06 | Bounty | Drunken Bounty Hunter RPG i believe |
| 20:10.15 | Mexa | Instead of ripping from other games *cough* *cough* |
| 20:10.18 | Mexa | :3 |
| 20:10.26 | burne- | Bibendus: i can come to test for 15mins |
| 20:10.32 | Bibendus | k |
| 20:10.34 | Bibendus | its a fast test |
| 20:10.41 | Bounty | JademusSreg, i would be working on my map right now if people in here didnt make me hate it |
| 20:10.43 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:10.51 | Mexa | Bibendus, tell me when and I'll log in at that time too |
| 20:10.52 | Bibendus | just to check if the dig highlight bug was fixed or not |
| 20:10.55 | Bibendus | loggin now |
| 20:11.21 | Bounty | Mexa |
| 20:11.23 | Bounty | i saw what you said |
| 20:11.26 | Bounty | and |
| 20:11.29 | Clord | Shinigami Note |
| 20:11.29 | Bounty | FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU |
| 20:11.30 | Clord | now! |
| 20:11.31 | Clord | XD |
| 20:11.32 | Stewox | bounty you get my last msg ? |
| 20:11.35 | Bounty | nope |
| 20:11.36 | Clord | ^^ |
| 20:11.42 | Bounty | IRC is booming today |
| 20:11.45 | Bounty | i cant see sheeeeit |
| 20:11.48 | Stewox | how much do you think you optimized the code or used the abilites in speedcraft , is this the max galaxy can do for now ? |
| 20:12.05 | Bounty | code wise it was pretty good |
| 20:12.10 | Bounty | i fucked up bad though |
| 20:12.10 | Mexa | Bounty |
| 20:12.19 | Mexa | Personally, I don't think it was that good |
| 20:12.19 | Mexa | :3 |
| 20:12.21 | Bounty | because i OVERSCALED instead of Underscaled |
| 20:12.31 | Stewox | in terms of what ? |
| 20:12.35 | Bibendus | come on sc2mapster channel |
| 20:12.36 | Bounty | models |
| 20:12.37 | Bibendus | (EU) |
| 20:12.40 | Bibendus | and say hive keeper |
| 20:12.43 | Bounty | i overscaled the models to make them look better |
| 20:12.48 | Bounty | so i had to use a bigger map |
| 20:12.52 | Bounty | which caused performance issues |
| 20:12.58 | Stewox | ah no |
| 20:12.58 | Mexa | Bounty, speedcraft would be much better if you had a main game loop instead of several ones |
| 20:12.59 | Bibendus | oh forgot to publish xD |
| 20:13.03 | Stewox | that's not the problem |
| 20:13.07 | Bounty | Mexa |
| 20:13.12 | Bounty | Talking about the movement right? |
| 20:13.14 | Mexa | Also Bounty, sadly your map is called Speed-craft here |
| 20:13.20 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 20:13.28 | Mexa | Because some other douche uploaded a melee map and called it speedcraft |
| 20:13.31 | Mexa | :P |
| 20:13.35 | Stewox | bounty , that won't make a difference , it lags for me as well , and i have a high-end machine , what's you'r PC specs ? |
| 20:13.36 | Bounty | with the loop i use Mexa, im always improving it |
| 20:13.41 | Bounty | yeah |
| 20:13.41 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:13.46 | Bibendus | who invited and started a game |
| 20:13.48 | Bibendus | wtf happened rofl |
| 20:13.53 | Bounty | yes it does make a differance Stewox |
| 20:13.54 | Mexa | What |
| 20:14.00 | Bounty | Do you realize how big of a map speedcraft is? |
| 20:14.01 | Bibendus | dunno i was publishing |
| 20:14.05 | Bounty | the track is 256x256 |
| 20:14.06 | Bibendus | and i autojoined a 3v3 |
| 20:14.07 | Stewox | depends on what is your PC specs |
| 20:14.09 | Bibendus | dunno how xD |
| 20:14.12 | Bounty | that track could have fit on a much smaller maps |
| 20:14.17 | Bounty | no it doesnt Stewox |
| 20:14.19 | Bounty | NO computer |
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| 20:14.23 | Bounty | can render a 256x256 map |
| 20:14.24 | Mexa | Bounty, and stuff like you having a wait on 0.05 tells me that you aren't aware of how waits and timers really work in galaxy |
| 20:14.25 | Bounty | in third person |
| 20:14.30 | Bibendus | publishing |
| 20:14.42 | Bounty | what are you talking about Mexa |
| 20:14.48 | Stewox | bounty i might have suggested better if i knew your PC specs |
| 20:15.03 | Mexa | Bounty, a wait of 0.05 isn't really a wait of 0.05 |
| 20:15.06 | Stewox | i might have agreed |
| 20:15.15 | Mexa | It's rouded up to the nearest tick |
| 20:15.19 | Bounty | if there is a wait of 0.05 then it was a mistake lol |
| 20:15.20 | Mexa | which is 0.125 |
| 20:15.27 | Exaken | me |
| 20:15.29 | blub_ | is there a way to completely disable collision for a unit? |
| 20:15.32 | Mexa | *nearest tick above |
| 20:15.41 | blub_ | I have a projectile which is blocked by cliffs |
| 20:15.45 | blub_ | even when I use "ignore terrain height" |
| 20:15.50 | Bibendus | who wants to test hive |
| 20:15.55 | Mexa | I |
| 20:15.57 | Bibendus | just say hive keeper in sc2mapster channel on EU |
| 20:16.03 | blub_ | even though it looks bad I'd rather have it fly through the cliff |
| 20:16.10 | Mexa | hive keeper in sc2mapster channel on EU |
| 20:16.13 | Stewox | hive keeper |
| 20:16.27 | Bibendus | ingame |
| 20:16.29 | Bibendus | come on bnet |
| 20:16.30 | Bibendus | xD |
| 20:16.31 | Stewox | lol |
| 20:17.55 | Bounty | You know what sucks more then the popularity system? |
| 20:17.57 | JademusSreg | "QQ"ing lacks dignity. I just want to work on my stuff and play fun maps. <3 |
| 20:18.01 | Bounty | When your son is teething |
| 20:18.04 | Bounty | fucking a |
| 20:18.19 | Mexa | teething? |
| 20:18.33 | Bounty | When a babies teeth start to push in |
| 20:18.36 | Bounty | Like |
| 20:18.38 | Bounty | example |
| 20:18.45 | Bounty | He will be sitting there watching TV |
| 20:18.49 | Stewox | bounty , i don't necesairly agree that only graphical factor is the culprit, i have it running always like 60 FPS and while it's a lot better than in the video , its still quite laggy , but not in terms of FPS , from what i gather it's the response time of keys and it has something to do with the code |
| 20:18.57 | Bounty | then he will begin to scream bloody murder as if being attacked |
| 20:18.59 | Bounty | for no reason |
| 20:19.02 | Bounty | and it wont stop |
| 20:19.03 | Mexa | Oh yeah, Bounty |
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| 20:19.04 | Bounty | ever |
| 20:19.05 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:19.11 | Mexa | speedcraft suffers from fps dropping |
| 20:19.16 | Bounty | i know |
| 20:19.18 | Mexa | Even on your lowest settings |
| 20:19.19 | Bounty | i already explained why |
| 20:19.28 | Bounty | that was my bad >< |
| 20:19.33 | Bounty | has nothing to do with code |
| 20:19.40 | Mexa | I know that |
| 20:19.43 | Stewox | there's a bug however , for some reason the speeder will stop and it needs several re-pressing of the W button |
| 20:19.44 | Mexa | It has to do with the camera |
| 20:19.48 | Bounty | no |
| 20:19.49 | Mexa | If you didn't say that already |
| 20:19.51 | Bounty | its the scaling |
| 20:19.55 | Mexa | Scaling? |
| 20:20.01 | Bounty | everything is overscaled |
| 20:20.07 | Bounty | you didnt notice how HUGE the track is? |
| 20:20.09 | Bounty | i could have underscaled it |
| 20:20.12 | Bounty | and done the same thing |
| 20:20.15 | Bounty | but i overscaled it |
| 20:20.19 | Bounty | so instead of rendering say |
| 20:20.22 | Mexa | I'm quite sure it involves the camera and the frustrum culling methods the game normally should have |
| 20:20.22 | Bounty | a 96x96 map |
| 20:20.30 | Bounty | its rendering a 256x256 map |
| 20:20.36 | Bounty | no |
| 20:20.39 | Bounty | ive seen this before |
| 20:20.39 | Mexa | no` |
| 20:20.39 | Stewox | I know what are you talking about bountry , however i have hard time understanding until i know your specs and i can tell you mine as well : |
| 20:20.46 | Mexa | hms |
| 20:20.46 | Bounty | the wierd thing is that the lag has nothign to do with doodads |
| 20:20.53 | Bounty | its ground textures |
| 20:20.56 | Stewox | I have not yet tried on LOW |
| 20:21.00 | Bounty | if it goes beyond a certain point, it will lag |
| 20:21.06 | Mexa | But sc2 is drawing models behind each other, yes? |
| 20:21.14 | Bounty | yeah |
| 20:21.15 | Mexa | AfaIk, unless the camera is topdown. |
| 20:21.18 | Bounty | but for example |
| 20:21.20 | Bounty | Doodad Hunt |
| 20:21.23 | Bounty | runs perfectly fine |
| 20:21.26 | Bounty | 96x96 map |
| 20:21.33 | Bounty | view distance of 10,000 |
| 20:21.39 | Bounty | Speedcraft has a view distance of 50 |
| 20:21.43 | Bounty | but its a HUGE map |
| 20:21.48 | Bounty | which it didnt have to be, but thats my mistake |
| 20:21.57 | Mexa | I think they all weight up though |
| 20:22.04 | Mexa | But if you can make the map smaller |
| 20:22.05 | Mexa | do it |
| 20:22.12 | Mexa | Would be a smaller terrain mesh that way |
| 20:22.13 | Bounty | i know for a fact its the ground textures |
| 20:22.25 | Bounty | i had this same problem with Battlefield Egypt |
| 20:22.30 | Bounty | so i said ok ill remove all the doodads |
| 20:22.32 | Bounty | didnt fix it |
| 20:22.34 | Mexa | If that's the issue, why don't you hide the terrain cells? |
| 20:22.39 | Stewox | but my system is: CPU: Intel Quad Q9300 3.0 MHZ , 6 GB ram , GPU: HD 4870 , Gigabyte P35-DS4 , win7 x64 ... WD 1000 GB Caviar Black Sata 3, no pagefile , performance tweaks ... etc |
| 20:22.39 | Bounty | then i hit all the terrain cells |
| 20:22.42 | Bounty | exactly |
| 20:22.44 | Bounty | thats what i do now |
| 20:22.47 | Mexa | ok |
| 20:22.50 | Bounty | i hide all unused terrain cells |
| 20:22.55 | Bounty | if you cant see it |
| 20:22.56 | Bounty | i hide it |
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| 20:23.25 | Bounty | lol @ 4870 |
| 20:23.29 | Bounty | i just upgraded from two of those >< |
| 20:23.32 | Bounty | good cards |
| 20:23.35 | Stewox | i have set HIGH and LOW options of inside your map bounty , it didn't make a difference |
| 20:23.49 | Bounty | it should make a differance |
| 20:23.53 | Bounty | on low i get 50-60 fps |
| 20:23.59 | Stewox | im playing at 1280x1024 |
| 20:24.14 | Bounty | like i said |
| 20:24.17 | Bounty | i learned my lesson lol |
| 20:24.20 | Bounty | NEVER overscale |
| 20:24.28 | Bounty | for TPS |
| 20:24.32 | Bounty | or FPS |
| 20:24.41 | Bounty | i always underscale now and the performance differance is AMAZING |
| 20:25.11 | Stewox | I still can't agree thought until i see it before my eyes simply because it's a graphical thing and code stuff is not done by the GPU |
| 20:25.14 | Stewox | unless ... |
| 20:25.31 | Stewox | SC2 engine has frame rate reliant IO |
| 20:25.31 | Bounty | we already said its a graphical thing |
| 20:25.37 | Bounty | thats all it is |
| 20:25.40 | Bounty | its ground textures |
| 20:25.43 | Bounty | period |
| 20:25.47 | Stewox | but that would never be true , Quake 3 engine was the last one |
| 20:25.58 | Bounty | You could have 10000000000 doodads |
| 20:26.01 | Bounty | and it would run at 60 fps |
| 20:26.09 | Bounty | but if you had a blank piece of terrain |
| 20:26.14 | Stewox | okay bounty , im going to try it now , on lowest GFX settings , be right back |
| 20:26.15 | Bounty | that was the size of the space those doodads took up |
| 20:26.22 | Bounty | you would lag like crazy |
| 20:26.25 | Bounty | idk why it does it but it does |
| 20:26.31 | Stewox | whatever that is , it's definitely SC2 performance it self , and that's not our fault |
| 20:26.38 | Bounty | no |
| 20:26.40 | Bounty | it was my fault |
| 20:26.41 | Bounty | im telling u |
| 20:26.42 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:26.52 | Stewox | okay ... brb just going to test now |
| 20:27.09 | Bounty | another example, when you make something alot bigger then its supposed to be that causes frame issues aswell |
| 20:27.16 | Bounty | like... the Fire Doodad |
| 20:27.19 | Bounty | is a good example |
| 20:27.27 | Bounty | scale that bitch up and its crazy how much framerate ull lose |
| 20:28.24 | Clord | shinigami note match was four players size |
| 20:28.30 | Clord | it ended up Kira being molotoved |
| 20:28.31 | Clord | by L |
| 20:28.37 | Clord | lol |
| 20:28.52 | JademusSreg | Stew, I use a Gigabyte mobo too. |
| 20:28.54 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 20:29.08 | Clord | aah |
| 20:29.20 | Clord | back when lobby disks was biggest storage device for consumers besides hard drives |
| 20:29.26 | Clord | games rocked |
| 20:29.58 | JademusSreg | Clord, much as I hate that sort of ip aping, your map sounds interesting enough that I'd like to try it. |
| 20:30.28 | JademusSreg | You know, if it becomes available in the NA region. =D |
| 20:31.13 | Stewox | well |
| 20:31.17 | Stewox | that can be only one thing |
| 20:31.32 | Stewox | sc2 engine scaler performance :p |
| 20:31.45 | JademusSreg | I use an AMD quad core processor, though. |
| 20:31.46 | Stewox | and we sadly can't fix that |
| 20:31.49 | Clord | JademusSreg.. it is in NA region too |
| 20:31.50 | Clord | lol |
| 20:31.53 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 20:31.55 | JademusSreg | Even better. |
| 20:32.03 | JademusSreg | Maybe we can play it this Friday. |
| 20:32.11 | Clord | it is just that I wait my the card game become very popular there too before I start to advertise other maps there in loading screen |
| 20:32.13 | Stewox | Phenom 2 isn't bad at all , but some fanboys still bash AMD |
| 20:32.38 | JademusSreg | I have no brand loyalty; such a thing is alien to me. |
| 20:32.58 | Clord | it mostly mentions map names |
| 20:33.01 | Clord | so people can find them |
| 20:33.13 | Clord | it is not actual AD trying to hugely manipulate the player ;) |
| 20:33.28 | JademusSreg | Heh. |
| 20:34.11 | Clord | there was that good word to describe this but |
| 20:34.18 | Clord | I advertise in my site and my maps... |
| 20:34.20 | Clord | but I use adblocker |
| 20:34.21 | Clord | lol |
| 20:34.26 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 20:34.31 | AlphA_VsT | FUCK ME |
| 20:34.43 | JademusSreg | Hi Alph. |
| 20:34.47 | JademusSreg | How are things? |
| 20:35.03 | Clord | so basically... I don't much like ADs.. but yet I take advantage of such concept |
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| 20:35.48 | Bounty | How easy are banks to use? |
| 20:35.58 | Clord | well |
| 20:36.01 | Clord | you can go from front door |
| 20:36.01 | Bounty | like say i wanted to save a currency or an unlock |
| 20:36.02 | AlphA_VsT | ok JademusSreg |
| 20:36.06 | Clord | but not recommended |
| 20:36.09 | Clord | instead |
| 20:36.15 | Clord | you want to throw gas in first |
| 20:36.17 | AlphA_VsT | im trying to load a value for a bank and its returning 0 0.o |
| 20:36.21 | Clord | and then use some equipment to break the vault |
| 20:36.22 | Stewox | lol i spawned off course bounty |
| 20:36.25 | Clord | oh and you should hire professionals |
| 20:36.28 | Clord | ^^ |
| 20:36.34 | Stewox | the bug that makes your speeder stop suddenly is still there |
| 20:36.39 | Bounty | spawned off course? |
| 20:36.41 | Clord | also.. if bank gets surrounded.. you was too slow and you have already lost |
| 20:36.44 | Clord | so no need camp for days |
| 20:36.55 | Stewox | but now that i set my GFX setting to super-low , it's like 20 times better ! |
| 20:37.08 | Stewox | yes , i spawned inside the building |
| 20:37.26 | Stewox | off to the map somehow to the side the camarea is a bit longer away |
| 20:37.32 | AlphA_VsT | lol what |
| 20:37.47 | Stewox | ah im back now , it re-spawne when energy got low |
| 20:37.51 | Clord | but honestly....... have you heard from any situation where bank robbers have succesffully escaped after being surrounded? in real world |
| 20:37.52 | Clord | XD |
| 20:38.07 | JademusSreg | Clord's tangent is captivating. |
| 20:38.17 | Clord | I'm tired |
| 20:38.19 | JademusSreg | If he worked on the characterization, it might make a good story. |
| 20:38.34 | Clord | heck.. everyone wants to write an book |
| 20:38.42 | Stewox | bounty it doesn't even look bad on LOW :p |
| 20:38.52 | Stewox | that's very well playable just if the gameplay is perfect |
| 20:39.00 | Bounty | i know |
| 20:39.04 | Clord | but if I would write an book.. I would rather write in my mother language and then make others to do translations |
| 20:39.05 | Clord | lol |
| 20:39.15 | Clord | can't be arsed like that |
| 20:39.20 | Stewox | im really willing to support this map/mod or whatever |
| 20:39.24 | Stewox | there's couple of ideas though |
| 20:39.36 | Stewox | do you want it more similar to F-zero or just like this ? |
| 20:40.04 | Bounty | I'm leaving it as it is |
| 20:40.25 | JademusSreg | Clord, sounds good. |
| 20:41.28 | Stewox | so, continius energy drain , huge energy loss at wall collision , wall gravity-bounce ... etc ? |
| 20:41.33 | JademusSreg | Dostoevsky didn't pander to English speakers, either. =D |
| 20:41.48 | Bounty | What are you getting at exactly Stewox? |
| 20:41.52 | Bounty | That you want the map? |
| 20:41.53 | Stewox | i think it's Dostoyevsky |
| 20:42.09 | JademusSreg | Maybe. =D |
| 20:42.13 | Stewox | no ... well ;p , im just saying about the balance |
| 20:42.53 | Stewox | or like making more tracks should be essential |
| 20:43.01 | JademusSreg | "Fyodor Mikhaylovich Dostoyevsky"; yep, seems that way. |
| 20:43.31 | Stewox | and a script so you can cycle from track to track inside the map , you can fit like a dozen on a max sized map |
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| 20:43.54 | Stewox | it's not really hard , just requires work |
| 20:43.56 | Bounty | the Speed-craft map is about 95% of the max sized terrain |
| 20:44.08 | Stewox | huh! |
| 20:44.18 | Stewox | so your saying , it's that overscaled ? |
| 20:44.19 | Bounty | was nobody listening to what i was saying earlier? |
| 20:44.25 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:44.26 | Bounty | yes |
| 20:44.34 | Stewox | lol that's another story ... |
| 20:44.46 | Bounty | Its one of the reasons it looks so good |
| 20:44.52 | Bounty | the size is right |
| 20:44.58 | Bounty | but its not worth the framerate cost |
| 20:45.07 | Stewox | but you can fit only one track per map currently ... |
| 20:45.09 | Stewox | yeh |
| 20:45.37 | Stewox | well yes it's been confirmed , it worked like 20 times better than everything on Ultra ... |
| 20:45.52 | Bounty | its really just the textures |
| 20:45.55 | Stewox | but that won't be necessary with a low scale |
| 20:45.56 | Bounty | if you turn ur textures down |
| 20:46.00 | Bounty | ull get a huge framerate boost |
| 20:46.17 | Stewox | im starting to realize what's happening |
| 20:47.09 | Stewox | it's costing CPU power to adapt those scaled stuff , CPU is then unable to do the rest , hence key response time, and also a bottleneck for the GPU |
| 20:47.24 | Bounty | yeah |
| 20:47.32 | Bounty | thats why i said, ill never upscale again |
| 20:47.32 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:47.45 | Stewox | because it might not be the GPU at all , GPU is probably just idling and waiting for CPU's bottleneck |
| 20:49.07 | Stewox | well , i like the mod , the idea of it , i would definitely love to ... help |
| 20:49.14 | Stewox | however im not much of the use just talking |
| 20:49.14 | Bounty | lolol |
| 20:49.18 | Stewox | :p |
| 20:49.35 | Stewox | seriously speaking , am i much of a use only talking :p |
| 20:49.59 | Bounty | wha? |
| 20:50.08 | Stewox | ah nothing |
| 20:50.45 | Stewox | do you plan on expanding the track walls ... |
| 20:50.57 | Bounty | i dont plan on anything for that map |
| 20:51.01 | Bounty | i thought i made this clear? lol |
| 20:51.07 | Bounty | like, a long time ago >< |
| 20:51.21 | Stewox | that identical build ... |
| 20:51.29 | Stewox | im talking about the mod/idea |
| 20:51.39 | blub_ | is there some kind of "map-data" repository where one can contribute to? |
| 20:51.49 | Stewox | you can scrap that and start over , but , ofcourse preserving the code |
| 20:52.11 | blub_ | like, a repository with descriptions and sample- sc2map files about stuff that is hard to create/code/do? |
| 20:52.16 | Bounty | if anything ill either make a mario kart style racer or a mini game racer |
| 20:52.24 | Bounty | like, the Horse Racing from Ocarina of Time |
| 20:52.33 | Bounty | only with zerglings and crtiters or something |
| 20:52.33 | Stewox | the point is in the code bounty , the scripts , transfer them over to a new map file , if you don't plan to fix this map |
| 20:53.13 | Stewox | whichever works , but i happen to be a fan of both |
| 20:54.19 | AlphA_VsT | WTF |
| 20:54.43 | AlphA_VsT | I cant load a int from my bank and save it to a variable? |
| 20:54.51 | AlphA_VsT | its saying 0 :( |
| 20:55.03 | Bounty | Is it just me |
| 20:55.13 | Bounty | Or did i see DarkRev talking about that same thing the other day |
| 20:55.33 | Bounty | I remember him saying "Bank" and "0" alot |
| 20:56.28 | AlphA_VsT | yeah |
| 20:56.40 | AlphA_VsT | idono what im doign wrong |
| 20:57.01 | AlphA_VsT | its saving |
| 20:57.04 | AlphA_VsT | correctly |
| 20:57.12 | AlphA_VsT | i cant am not able to load it 0.o |
| 20:57.21 | AlphA_VsT | and it load correctly |
| 20:58.48 | AlphA_VsT | im trying to get my screen size values to work is all how hard is that |
| 20:59.36 | AlphA_VsT | saving and setting the values works |
| 21:00.48 | AlphA_VsT | but this doesn't Variable - Set ScreenSize[(Picked player)][1] = (Load "SizeX" of section "ScreenSize" from bank SettingsBank[(Picked player)] as integer value) 0.o |
| 21:01.43 | Mexa | And you're sure it was saved as an int? |
| 21:02.06 | Mexa | Paste the bankfile or something |
| 21:02.07 | Mexa | .-. |
| 21:02.12 | Mexa | Hey Bounty |
| 21:02.19 | Bounty | Howdy |
| 21:02.33 | Mexa | It's weird that overscaling would cause fps drop. Of all I would think is that underscaled would cause it |
| 21:02.41 | Stewox | mexa |
| 21:02.45 | AlphA_VsT | <?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?> |
| 21:02.45 | AlphA_VsT | <Bank version="1"> |
| 21:02.45 | AlphA_VsT | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:02.45 | AlphA_VsT | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:02.45 | AlphA_VsT | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:02.45 | AlphA_VsT | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:02.47 | AlphA_VsT | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:02.49 | AlphA_VsT | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:02.51 | Stewox | he scaled that to a max sized map |
| 21:02.51 | AlphA_VsT | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:02.53 | AlphA_VsT | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:02.55 | Mexa | Alpha |
| 21:02.56 | Stewox | it's no wonder why :p |
| 21:02.57 | AlphA_VsT | </Bank> |
| 21:02.59 | Mexa | The value is a string |
| 21:03.01 | Mexa | Thats why |
| 21:03.09 | AlphA_VsT | how is it a string |
| 21:03.11 | AlphA_VsT | wtf |
| 21:03.18 | Mexa | You need to load it as a string, and then convert it to an int |
| 21:03.24 | Mexa | or save it as an int in the first place |
| 21:03.39 | AlphA_VsT | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:03.40 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 21:03.43 | AlphA_VsT | good catch |
| 21:03.44 | AlphA_VsT | HAHA |
| 21:03.45 | AlphA_VsT | fuck me |
| 21:03.45 | Mexa | yeah |
| 21:03.47 | Mexa | :P |
| 21:03.51 | AlphA_VsT | ops :( |
| 21:04.05 | Stewox | mexa what did you checked about speedcraft specifically |
| 21:04.07 | AlphA_VsT | its the small things :D |
| 21:04.13 | Stewox | you were talking about TIMERS and WAITs ... |
| 21:05.05 | Mexa | I just found he was doing separate triggers using periodic timers and waits |
| 21:05.25 | Mexa | He should use one gameloop to manage all of it |
| 21:05.29 | Mexa | For the best |
| 21:05.44 | AlphA_VsT | yeah |
| 21:05.46 | Mexa | And also that he had a wait of 0,05 which would round up to 00.125 |
| 21:05.48 | Mexa | *0.125 |
| 21:05.52 | AlphA_VsT | hehe |
| 21:05.55 | Bounty | Mexa |
| 21:05.59 | Bounty | i already told you |
| 21:06.03 | Mexa | I know |
| 21:06.07 | Bounty | If i had a wait of 0.05 it was a mistake |
| 21:06.13 | Stewox | i bet there was something with the code and not ONLY with the scale but his idea is confirmed |
| 21:06.14 | Mexa | I know you did |
| 21:06.19 | Bounty | and its funny |
| 21:06.23 | Bounty | i didnt use ANY periodics |
| 21:06.23 | Mexa | But I still found ti in the map you gave:) |
| 21:06.29 | Bounty | or triggers with waits |
| 21:06.33 | Mexa | You do |
| 21:06.42 | Bounty | I had action definitions that run in their own thread with a while loop |
| 21:06.48 | Bounty | big differance |
| 21:07.06 | Bounty | periodic triggers constantly fire |
| 21:07.07 | Stewox | too bad SC2 de |
| 21:07.12 | Stewox | doesn't have FOR loop |
| 21:07.13 | Mexa | That makes it even more slower |
| 21:07.17 | Bounty | looped action definitions fire once |
| 21:07.18 | Bounty | wrong |
| 21:07.18 | Mexa | I think |
| 21:07.25 | Bounty | periodic triggers are WAY slower |
| 21:07.32 | Mexa | Also, action definitions are functions in reality |
| 21:07.33 | Bounty | bc they fire/run everytime that period occurs |
| 21:07.41 | JademusSreg | It has while and do while. |
| 21:07.44 | Bounty | thats why i use action definitions |
| 21:08.00 | Mexa | Yeah let me check a thing.. |
| 21:08.25 | Mexa | Bounty, I know periodic triggers are slower |
| 21:08.45 | Mexa | But one trigger with a while loop never expiring until quit |
| 21:09.03 | Mexa | With a wait of 0, and then a gameloop in that one |
| 21:09.06 | Mexa | Would be better |
| 21:09.24 | Mexa | maybe a wait of 0 wouldnt even be needed |
| 21:09.42 | Stewox | the while should start once you actually spawn , it should all be bound to the vehicle not the player |
| 21:09.53 | Stewox | i mean ... both , keys |
| 21:10.00 | Stewox | the biggest problem is key response time |
| 21:10.06 | Stewox | and mouse XYZ reading rate |
| 21:15.23 | Mexa | Stewox, in reality though, there is no huge difference between a while and a for loop |
| 21:15.42 | Stewox | sure |
| 21:16.04 | Stewox | im just worried that he won't scrap the whole map |
| 21:16.16 | Stewox | it's definitely easier to build from what you have |
| 21:16.45 | Stewox | unless there's a totally different way discovered |
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| 21:18.03 | Mexa | ah |
| 21:18.06 | Mexa | Hey Bounty |
| 21:18.13 | Bounty | ? |
| 21:18.21 | Mexa | Another thing which is slower, but maybe redundant |
| 21:18.30 | Mexa | the native int loops |
| 21:18.43 | Bounty | no idea what that means |
| 21:18.44 | Bounty | lol |
| 21:18.47 | Mexa | Using internal int loop and stepping |
| 21:18.51 | Mexa | well |
| 21:19.03 | Mexa | not sure what they are called in gui |
| 21:19.36 | Stewox | you can search for them |
| 21:19.42 | Stewox | in raw files |
| 21:19.51 | Stewox | just ask what you want and i'll try |
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| 21:21.41 | Mexa | Well |
| 21:21.46 | Mexa | I am talking about these anyway |
| 21:21.46 | Mexa | native void IntLoopBegin (int start, int end); native void IntLoopStep (); native bool IntLoopDone (); native int IntLoopCurrent (); native void IntLoopEnd (); |
| 21:21.51 | tordy | hi there |
| 21:21.57 | Mexa | IntLoop natives |
| 21:23.59 | Stewox | ok ... give me a sec |
| 21:25.41 | JademusSreg | Oh my god. |
| 21:25.51 | JademusSreg | Why would anyone use those? D= |
| 21:25.52 | Nash|327 | OH MY KITTUN! |
| 21:27.41 | Stewox | *sigh* |
| 21:29.01 | Stewox | mexa |
| 21:29.30 | Nash|327 | lawl at TMA |
| 21:29.35 | Stewox | it's PickEachInteger |
| 21:29.38 | Nash|327 | http://www.dogmai.org/tofu_gameplay.jpg |
| 21:29.42 | Nash|327 | SWASTIKA |
| 21:30.00 | burne- | lol at you |
| 21:30.02 | Mexa | Stewox, ah |
| 21:31.48 | Stewox | http://pastebin.com/0bp3sQi3 |
| 21:34.07 | Mexa | yup |
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| 21:50.21 | SilverSeraphim | when i do For each integer "i" |
| 21:50.28 | SilverSeraphim | can i just put "i" in the custom code box? |
| 21:50.33 | SilverSeraphim | and then reference that? |
| 21:50.44 | SilverSeraphim | or do i have to create the "i" variable above under local vars |
| 21:51.01 | Nash|327 | OMG VARIAMABLEZ |
| 21:51.49 | Nash|327 | they are dark majicks! |
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| 21:54.01 | AlphA_VsT | I SUCK AT MATH!!!!! |
| 21:54.13 | AlphA_VsT | icant center these dialogs :( |
| 21:54.25 | Ashamed | alpha i am the same way |
| 21:54.30 | Ashamed | i am like i am just going to test this out real quick |
| 21:54.34 | Ashamed | and if it doesn't work |
| 21:54.37 | Ashamed | i will change this number |
| 21:55.11 | Nash|327 | sucking at math is sucking at programming |
| 21:55.24 | AlphA_VsT | but my math is correct :( |
| 21:55.31 | AlphA_VsT | at least i assume so |
| 21:55.36 | AlphA_VsT | and ive checked it |
| 21:56.37 | AlphA_VsT | the ending math comes out right |
| 21:56.46 | AlphA_VsT | but the dialogs are nto centered |
| 21:56.48 | AlphA_VsT | at all |
| 21:57.47 | Stewox | im gonna try to add another native |
| 21:58.05 | Stewox | about that "pick all units in an region" |
| 21:58.43 | Stewox | i'll post to blizzard maybe they'll officially include it |
| 21:58.47 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 21:58.57 | AlphA_VsT | you can pick all units in a region |
| 21:58.58 | AlphA_VsT | 0.o |
| 21:59.02 | Stewox | nope |
| 21:59.09 | Stewox | remember what we talked before |
| 21:59.15 | Stewox | it's only Random or Specific |
| 21:59.32 | AlphA_VsT | oh your that guy |
| 21:59.59 | AlphA_VsT | anyways here is my math http://i.imgur.com/JGNdk.png and here is how it turns up http://i.imgur.com/D3xAY.jpg 0.o |
| 22:00.28 | Nash|327 | Ah, I see the problem. |
| 22:00.32 | Nash|327 | You are using a Mac. |
| 22:00.38 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 22:01.04 | AlphA_VsT | really though |
| 22:01.45 | Skizot | mac math: 2 - 1 = mouse |
| 22:02.05 | AlphA_VsT | seriously... |
| 22:02.45 | AlphA_VsT | the width combined width = 1440 which it should be |
| 22:02.51 | AlphA_VsT | but the items are not center |
| 22:04.07 | Nash|327 | maybe you should start with centering one item |
| 22:04.27 | AlphA_VsT | it shouldnt matter how many |
| 22:06.26 | Mexa | Mac mouses do have 2 buttons nowadays |
| 22:06.37 | Mexa | *mice |
| 22:09.06 | AlphA_VsT | no shit and you ahev always been able to use a 2 button mouse with them |
| 22:09.18 | AlphA_VsT | well since usb |
| 22:09.31 | AlphA_VsT | but does anyone really know wtf |
| 22:09.39 | AlphA_VsT | why are my items not centered |
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| 22:11.26 | maknyuzz | hi guys |
| 22:11.39 | JademusSreg | Hi. |
| 22:11.43 | maknyuzz | jademus |
| 22:11.47 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 22:11.50 | maknyuzz | hi |
| 22:11.54 | JademusSreg | Hi++ |
| 22:12.12 | maknyuzz | i wanna hear ur thought on how to do custom armor |
| 22:12.15 | maknyuzz | not really custom armor |
| 22:12.20 | maknyuzz | i want my unit to have armor |
| 22:12.23 | maknyuzz | and magic resist |
| 22:12.48 | maknyuzz | the system is just like sc. point system |
| 22:13.30 | Nash|327 | AlphA_VsT, did you consider that the X,Y of the dialog should be center of dialog and not corner? |
| 22:13.51 | JademusSreg | There are many ways I can think to do resistances and armor. |
| 22:13.56 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 22:14.02 | AlphA_VsT | no |
| 22:14.12 | AlphA_VsT | i wouldnt even know where to begin now :D |
| 22:14.17 | maknyuzz | this is what i think jade |
| 22:14.22 | maknyuzz | create a trigger |
| 22:14.29 | Helral | meow |
| 22:14.32 | maknyuzz | any unit takes damage, condition if damage type |
| 22:14.40 | maknyuzz | then do the math |
| 22:14.46 | AlphA_VsT | what should i change Nash|327 lol |
| 22:14.57 | maknyuzz | damage amount - variables |
| 22:15.02 | maknyuzz | bark bark! |
| 22:15.09 | Mexa | Alpha |
| 22:15.14 | Mexa | What items should eb changed? |
| 22:15.16 | JademusSreg | Don't use condition. =) |
| 22:15.19 | Mexa | I mean centrered |
| 22:15.26 | maknyuzz | why not condition? |
| 22:15.29 | Nash|327 | try setting itemoffset to 360 |
| 22:15.34 | Mexa | the faded windows? |
| 22:15.40 | JademusSreg | Use only one trigger to handle all damage mods. |
| 22:15.48 | JademusSreg | Farm ore efficient. |
| 22:15.51 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 22:15.56 | Nash|327 | see if that works |
| 22:16.08 | Nash|327 | if so the X is center coord and not corner |
| 22:16.14 | maknyuzz | but we wanna check if that's magic or physical |
| 22:16.32 | Mexa | Why don't use use center anchor? |
| 22:16.35 | maknyuzz | if physical the regular armor will handle it |
| 22:16.47 | JademusSreg | Yes. If else would be better then. |
| 22:17.01 | JademusSreg | Single trigger with an if else in it. |
| 22:17.18 | maknyuzz | why not put condition? |
| 22:17.22 | maknyuzz | isnt that better? |
| 22:17.22 | Nash|327 | ...why don't you make a behavior with damage response |
| 22:17.39 | JademusSreg | Nash is also correct. With only 2 damage types, data can handle it. |
| 22:18.03 | maknyuzz | behavior with damage response? |
| 22:18.07 | AlphA_VsT | nah i only see 2 out of the 3 dialogs i have no idea where the 3rd is 0.o |
| 22:18.22 | JademusSreg | There are 4 damage types. |
| 22:18.30 | JademusSreg | Melee, Ranged, Splash, and Spell. |
| 22:18.37 | Nash|327 | buff behavior |
| 22:18.41 | Nash|327 | damage response |
| 22:18.44 | maknyuzz | and stack it? |
| 22:18.49 | Nash|327 | reduce by number or % |
| 22:18.59 | Nash|327 | yeah sure you can stack it |
| 22:19.03 | JademusSreg | And Damage Response can be used to mod the damage. |
| 22:19.03 | maknyuzz | i.e. your magic resist is 10 then stack 10x? |
| 22:19.12 | JademusSreg | As Nash explains. =D |
| 22:19.36 | JademusSreg | I wonder if multiple damage responses are additive. |
| 22:20.01 | Nash|327 | dunnos |
| 22:20.24 | Nash|327 | reduce by number probably are |
| 22:20.25 | Mexa | Hey SilverSeraphim |
| 22:20.40 | Mexa | Do you have a link to that dialog explanation thingy Helral told? |
| 22:20.43 | Nash|327 | otherwise just make different behaviors |
| 22:20.47 | Mexa | Or maybe Helral himself can answer, |
| 22:21.20 | Helral | meow? |
| 22:21.29 | Nash|327 | Helral is not a kittun |
| 22:21.29 | JademusSreg | Anyway, if you want to trigger the damage mod, you should use a single trigger, if (magical) {} else {}, and such, rather than two triggers with if (magical) {} and another with if (physical) {}/ |
| 22:21.31 | maknyuzz | Nash |
| 22:21.38 | maknyuzz | so basically like sentry |
| 22:21.40 | maknyuzz | force field? |
| 22:21.46 | Helral | ~Helral |
| 22:21.46 | purl | rumour has it, helral is an evil ethereal random kitten who must not be let near laser pens. |
| 22:21.50 | Nash|327 | yeah |
| 22:21.51 | maknyuzz | amount 2 for ranged? |
| 22:21.51 | Helral | meeoowww |
| 22:21.53 | maknyuzz | ic |
| 22:21.54 | maknyuzz | thanks |
| 22:21.57 | Nash|327 | well |
| 22:21.58 | maknyuzz | that makes it easier |
| 22:22.03 | Nash|327 | guardian shield |
| 22:22.03 | maknyuzz | bark bark!! |
| 22:22.06 | Nash|327 | not force field |
| 22:22.08 | AlphA_VsT | YES! I GOT IT |
| 22:22.10 | maknyuzz | yea thats what i mean |
| 22:22.14 | grim001 | Jademus, how are you keeping track of time for the purposes of spawning the blockers in your map? |
| 22:22.26 | JademusSreg | Mak, yeah, only you can do it by fraction too. |
| 22:22.27 | AlphA_VsT | mexa with the idea |
| 22:22.43 | Helral | AlphA_VsT: meow |
| 22:22.55 | JademusSreg | grim, currently I spawn them using data, a simple buff with a create unit effect. |
| 22:23.12 | grim001 | oh, with data. dont know what to do about that |
| 22:23.22 | JademusSreg | The gaps are a bit uneven due to the time shit. |
| 22:23.45 | grim001 | i guess they would all be the same width if you set the spawn time to an interval that syncs up with the engine ticks |
| 22:23.56 | Nash|327 | periodic effect, that's clever |
| 22:24.04 | grim001 | based on the videos I've watched, the uneven intervals seem to add a little bit of strategy though |
| 22:24.08 | JademusSreg | I've test, and I can make it more consistent simply by using a period that corresponds to a tick. |
| 22:24.39 | JademusSreg | But the closest tick makes all of the gaps smallish. |
| 22:25.05 | Nash|327 | aren't you supposed to have no gaps at all? |
| 22:25.10 | JademusSreg | Wakka wakka |
| 22:25.14 | Nash|327 | In the Tron game, that is D_D |
| 22:25.21 | grim001 | I think uneven gaps are fine, actually |
| 22:25.22 | JademusSreg | My map, I like gaps. |
| 22:25.36 | Nash|327 | But the original didn't have them, yes? |
| 22:25.45 | maknyuzz | Jademus |
| 22:26.05 | JademusSreg | Partition: The Game doesn't sound like much fun to me. |
| 22:26.17 | Nash|327 | I haven't seen Tron since the 90s. |
| 22:26.19 | Nash|327 | D_D |
| 22:26.24 | maknyuzz | there are 5x3 =15 command card button right. So say I want to let player learn 15 spells. but there are 30 choices |
| 22:26.46 | AlphA_VsT | YAY!!!! |
| 22:26.55 | JademusSreg | Use another command card. |
| 22:26.59 | maknyuzz | how to make it so if player learn spell X it will show up in command card 00 |
| 22:27.07 | grim001 | if you were using triggers, you could do some fancy shit to make the gaps perfectly even with any spawn rate. |
| 22:27.10 | JademusSreg | The data editor supports 4 command cards per unit, accessed by sub menus. |
| 22:27.14 | maknyuzz | if they learn spell Y 2nd, then command card 01 |
| 22:27.14 | grim001 | but probably not worth it. |
| 22:27.40 | JademusSreg | grim, eventually, I probably will transition to scriptting the barrier spawns if I ever have need to do so. |
| 22:27.40 | maknyuzz | no no. i mean i want the learnt spell to show up in order |
| 22:27.50 | AlphA_VsT | fuck only worked for 3 |
| 22:27.51 | AlphA_VsT | :( |
| 22:28.02 | Helral | what AlphA_VsT? |
| 22:28.26 | AlphA_VsT | my centering |
| 22:28.31 | AlphA_VsT | it only worked for 3 items |
| 22:28.42 | JademusSreg | Mak, I'm not sure if the command card can be modified by catalog. |
| 22:28.50 | maknyuzz | i.e. if you learn force fields 1st, concusive shell 2nd, stim pack 3rd. it will show up as : command card 00 - force field, cc01 - conc shell, cc02 - stim |
| 22:28.54 | JademusSreg | Some data is read-only. |
| 22:29.15 | maknyuzz | if you learn conc shell 1st, stim 2nd, it will show up as : cc00 conc shell, cc01 stim |
| 22:30.24 | JademusSreg | There are no natives for modifying command cards or unit abilities. |
| 22:30.29 | maknyuzz | ic |
| 22:30.30 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 22:30.55 | JademusSreg | In the sense you can't add them. |
| 22:30.55 | tordy | soooo many |
| 22:30.55 | JademusSreg | A step back from wc3 in that sense. |
| 22:30.55 | Nash|327 | you could use requirements |
| 22:30.56 | Nash|327 | and triggers |
| 22:30.58 | Nash|327 | D_D |
| 22:31.05 | JademusSreg | He want's them to appear in the order they are learned. =D |
| 22:31.08 | JademusSreg | *wants |
| 22:31.11 | Nash|327 | yeah |
| 22:31.59 | Helral | what you trying to center and how AlphA_VsT? |
| 22:32.06 | Nash|327 | you learn one skill first, enable to random ability or whatever to requirement for slot 1 is satisfied |
| 22:32.28 | Nash|327 | then save that you have learnt 1 skill in a var |
| 22:32.48 | Nash|327 | 2nd, enable random shit for requirement on 2nd slot |
| 22:33.19 | Nash|327 | stuff like Tauren outhouse - lift off is enabled |
| 22:33.32 | Nash|327 | and other random abilities you don't use D_D |
| 22:33.48 | maknyuzz | yea but the positioning |
| 22:33.57 | Nash|327 | activate different ones to satisfy different requirements based on which slot you want |
| 22:34.12 | JademusSreg | Clever, Nash. |
| 22:34.21 | Nash|327 | each slot will have every ability in it, with different requirements to show it |
| 22:34.24 | JademusSreg | Sounds like a superb pain in the ass, but it should work. |
| 22:34.32 | maknyuzz | only allow 35 button in CC |
| 22:34.37 | maknyuzz | i have 30 ability |
| 22:34.38 | Nash|327 | which one shows up is based on what random shit you enable |
| 22:34.41 | maknyuzz | so 15*30 button |
| 22:34.47 | maknyuzz | 450 button |
| 22:34.50 | maknyuzz | not possible |
| 22:34.53 | maknyuzz | unless i am mistaken |
| 22:35.04 | JademusSreg | New idea: use dialogs. They are magic. |
| 22:35.27 | Nash|327 | only 35 buttons in CC? uh |
| 22:35.32 | maknyuzz | yep only 35 |
| 22:35.44 | maknyuzz | per page |
| 22:35.53 | Nash|327 | ah per page :G |
| 22:36.17 | Nash|327 | then you are fucked D: |
| 22:36.24 | maknyuzz | lolz |
| 22:36.28 | Nash|327 | overlay dialog on top of CC |
| 22:36.32 | Nash|327 | with icons |
| 22:36.34 | Nash|327 | D_D |
| 22:37.09 | Nash|327 | or remove a bunch of abilities |
| 22:37.19 | Bibendus|AFK | n8 |
| 22:37.27 | Nash|327 | most games suffer from ability excess |
| 22:37.40 | Nash|327 | ones that do pretty much the same as some other ability |
| 22:37.47 | Nash|327 | ones that are useless |
| 22:37.51 | maknyuzz | true |
| 22:37.54 | Nash|327 | ones that are way too narrow |
| 22:38.25 | maknyuzz | but i want players to make decision |
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| 22:39.17 | maknyuzz | i wanna have i.e. immortal hardened shield, double armor, magical hardened shield |
| 22:39.51 | maknyuzz | immortal hardened shield takes 10 damage |
| 22:40.18 | maknyuzz | but if your base armor is high. i.e. 30, and you pick double armor, you can have 60 armor which means 1 damage from siege tank |
| 22:40.21 | Nash|327 | if I may quote myself... http://pastebin.com/9L2tEqmC |
| 22:42.10 | Bounty | How much is 200 euros in USD? |
| 22:42.24 | Nash|327 | JFGI |
| 22:42.36 | maknyuzz | 275-300ish? |
| 22:43.50 | tordy | cyea oby |
| 22:44.33 | Nash|327 | nonsensical |
| 22:46.09 | maknyuzz | or perhaps i should modify the immortal shield to also double the armor |
| 22:46.23 | maknyuzz | it will cover both |
| 22:47.19 | Nash|327 | why do you need immortal shield if you have 60 armor? |
| 22:47.33 | Nash|327 | are there units that do more than 70 damage? |
| 22:48.05 | maknyuzz | 60 max |
| 22:48.11 | maknyuzz | but base armor starts at 10 |
| 22:48.19 | maknyuzz | u can upgrade up to 30 |
| 22:49.11 | Nash|327 | hardened shields reduce damage to max 10 |
| 22:49.17 | maknyuzz | yes |
| 22:49.23 | Nash|327 | and only while you have shields |
| 22:49.30 | maknyuzz | but if u double armor it reduces to 1 |
| 22:49.35 | maknyuzz | modified hardened shield |
| 22:49.45 | maknyuzz | that turns on health |
| 22:50.11 | Nash|327 | with 60 armor, it would only be effective if taking damage >70 so :G |
| 22:50.39 | maknyuzz | if you forgot to upgrade, wouldn't you want hardened shield? |
| 22:50.46 | maknyuzz | but if you have upgraded to max |
| 22:50.50 | maknyuzz | wouldnt u want double armor? |
| 22:51.20 | Nash|327 | if I forgot to upgrade then I'd upgrade later |
| 22:51.21 | Nash|327 | D_D |
| 22:51.26 | maknyuzz | Damage = 60. If your armor is 10, wouldn't u want hardened shield? if your armor is 30, wouldn't you want double shield? |
| 22:51.27 | maknyuzz | right |
| 22:51.37 | maknyuzz | do you think that choices are redundant? |
| 22:51.47 | Nash|327 | a lot of them are |
| 22:52.33 | Helral | then upgrade to 25 armor ;p then it won't matter. |
| 22:52.54 | Nash|327 | why would one go for hardened shields instead of upgrading armor? |
| 22:53.15 | maknyuzz | hardened shield is spells, like temp for 10s |
| 22:53.16 | Nash|327 | Is there an advantage, like you get more upgrades for weapons? |
| 22:53.27 | maknyuzz | yes u can spend ur money on upgrade weapon |
| 22:53.30 | maknyuzz | or speed |
| 22:53.33 | maknyuzz | i.e. |
| 22:54.00 | Nash|327 | then armor is useless |
| 22:54.06 | Nash|327 | cost/benefit wise |
| 22:54.18 | maknyuzz | there is another enemy that has 20 damage, 40 damage |
| 22:54.25 | maknyuzz | which you could nullify with armor |
| 22:54.43 | maknyuzz | without wasting energy on hardened shield |
| 22:55.01 | Nash|327 | energy? |
| 22:55.07 | Nash|327 | on a passive? |
| 22:55.08 | Nash|327 | D_D |
| 22:55.13 | maknyuzz | hardened shield is spells for 10s |
| 22:55.40 | maknyuzz | temporary... |
| 22:55.42 | maknyuzz | anyway... |
| 22:55.47 | maknyuzz | i;ll think about it |
| 22:56.45 | Nash|327 | people need some cost/benefit analysis and probability that something is useful up in this mother |
| 22:57.13 | maknyuzz | now i have a unit that deals 20damage/s with 50% + # of kills chance hit rate |
| 22:57.35 | maknyuzz | i also have a unit that deals 30 damage/s |
| 22:57.36 | Nash|327 | D&D is really annoying with their game mechanics D: |
| 22:57.41 | maknyuzz | is that good choices? |
| 22:57.53 | Helral | meow? |
| 22:58.45 | Nash|327 | what 20 DPS at 50% miss worst case vs. steady 30 DPS? |
| 22:58.55 | maknyuzz | sorry |
| 22:58.58 | maknyuzz | 40 dps |
| 22:59.08 | maknyuzz | 40dps with 50%+$ofkills hit rate |
| 22:59.10 | maknyuzz | vs 30dps |
| 22:59.26 | maknyuzz | my thought: if u build 1st unit early and feed it with kills |
| 22:59.34 | maknyuzz | it would be better mid game late game |
| 23:00.05 | Nash|327 | 1% per kill? |
| 23:00.11 | maknyuzz | yes |
| 23:00.36 | maknyuzz | many things to kill |
| 23:00.44 | Nash|327 | well, if it's easy to get 50 kills then it's much better |
| 23:01.05 | maknyuzz | but is that redundant? |
| 23:01.14 | maknyuzz | after reading your link i started to think again |
| 23:02.20 | Nash|327 | would you ever choose the 30 DPS when you can get 20 DPS off the bat and then get up to 40 after 50 easy kills? |
| 23:02.44 | Nash|327 | I can't really answer as it depends on how the game works |
| 23:02.45 | maknyuzz | yes for early game domination |
| 23:02.49 | maknyuzz | true |
| 23:03.01 | Nash|327 | how fast you kill, if you keep the bonus after you die, etc |
| 23:03.11 | maknyuzz | true |
| 23:03.58 | Nash|327 | look at it this way: if you gain a steady rate of kills, getting to 50 at the very end |
| 23:04.07 | Nash|327 | the average DPS is equal |
| 23:04.46 | Nash|327 | if you get 50 before the end, the average DPS is better |
| 23:05.04 | Ashamed | http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/1BdeqR/3.media.dorkly.cvcdn.com/d/8/2f4cf15d4104f2e568125bd8eeba59f9.jpg |
| 23:05.06 | Ashamed | its geek love |
| 23:05.20 | maknyuzz | yea but early game domination matters too. well. i'll play with that later |
| 23:05.42 | maknyuzz | awwww!! |
| 23:05.45 | maknyuzz | thats sweet |
| 23:05.49 | Nash|327 | make a graph with kill per minute approximations and compare the DPS |
| 23:07.24 | maknyuzz | perhaps many of u have seen |
| 23:07.25 | maknyuzz | http://www.dorkly.com/video/14583/dorkly-bits-mario-with-a-portal-gun |
| 23:07.40 | Nash|327 | basically, 0.5 kills per percent game time is break even point |
| 23:08.40 | Ashamed | where is jman! |
| 23:08.48 | Ashamed | jmanv |
| 23:10.18 | Nash|327 | 1 kills per percent game time -> 35 DPS |
| 23:10.28 | Ashamed | nuh uh |
| 23:10.30 | Ashamed | it = 40 dps |
| 23:10.44 | Nash|327 | shoo |
| 23:10.47 | maknyuzz | lololz |
| 23:10.57 | maknyuzz | well best way is to just do it |
| 23:11.04 | maknyuzz | then wait for QQ if it ever get played |
| 23:11.14 | maknyuzz | no point to think too hard at this point |
| 23:11.20 | Ashamed | are you trying to create a system that will mesure dps? |
| 23:11.20 | Nash|327 | wrong |
| 23:11.23 | maknyuzz | i'll release it and wait for feedback if there's any |
| 23:11.34 | Nash|327 | think through design well |
| 23:11.37 | Nash|327 | implement |
| 23:11.42 | Nash|327 | then fine tune |
| 23:11.56 | maknyuzz | yea true |
| 23:11.58 | maknyuzz | u got a point |
| 23:12.05 | maknyuzz | otherwise people will think its imba and never pla |
| 23:12.07 | maknyuzz | play* |
| 23:12.13 | Nash|327 | saves work too |
| 23:13.00 | Nash|327 | if you can reduce ability count by trimming useless ones and not have to do a lot of changes afterwards |
| 23:13.04 | Nash|327 | :G |
| 23:14.03 | Bounty | I think i might do it guys |
| 23:14.05 | Bounty | I THINK I MIGHT |
| 23:14.09 | Bounty | Buy Darkspore |
| 23:18.24 | maknyuzz | btw |
| 23:18.26 | Dekar | dont do it |
| 23:18.27 | Dekar | ! |
| 23:18.30 | Dekar | also night |
| 23:18.33 | maknyuzz | can you get position of dialog? |
| 23:21.48 | maknyuzz | anyone here annoyed with screen resolution when doing dialog? |
| 23:22.14 | maknyuzz | how do u guys deal with it? |
| 23:22.54 | JademusSreg | I make no attempts to cater to anyone not using max resolution. |
| 23:25.02 | maknyuzz | so try to satisfy to non widescreen? |
| 23:25.09 | maknyuzz | ic |
| 23:25.11 | maknyuzz | that makes sense |
| 23:25.18 | maknyuzz | thx guys |
| 23:25.33 | maknyuzz | i havent heard from rodrigo lately |
| 23:25.59 | AlphA_VsT | maknyuzz, im using a very simple solution :P |
| 23:26.09 | maknyuzz | whats that alpha |
| 23:26.25 | AlphA_VsT | list the supported screen sizes and let them pick |
| 23:26.55 | maknyuzz | then scale the size on the fly? |
| 23:28.32 | AlphA_VsT | just base the ui on the size they pick |
| 23:28.49 | AlphA_VsT | my game is 100% dialogs though so |
| 23:29.31 | Ashamed | how many do you have desiend so far alpha? |
| 23:30.29 | AlphA_VsT | jsut the one i use but i base the size of the size and width of the screen |
| 23:30.39 | AlphA_VsT | of=off |
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| 23:33.44 | Helral | nn all |
| 23:34.21 | AlphA_VsT | its just a lot of math 0.o |
| 23:38.27 | Ashamed | let me see a screeen shot! |
| 23:38.41 | Ashamed | i wanna see what it looks like? |
| 23:38.42 | AlphA_VsT | http://i.imgur.com/NcNIH.jpg |
| 23:39.11 | Ashamed | oh so just the loging in is dialog |
| 23:39.15 | Ashamed | the game is a rpg? |
| 23:39.58 | AlphA_VsT | yeah its a rpg |
| 23:40.17 | JademusSreg | I have no idea how my map looks to people with lower resolutions. |
| 23:40.23 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 23:40.40 | AlphA_VsT | change your resolution and find out :P |
| 23:40.51 | JademusSreg | Naw, don't care either. |
| 23:40.54 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 23:40.58 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 23:41.02 | AlphA_VsT | i really dont either |
| 23:41.06 | AlphA_VsT | as long as it all fits |
| 23:41.08 | AlphA_VsT | fuck them |
| 23:41.23 | AlphA_VsT | 1440x900 or you are lame |
| 23:41.28 | AlphA_VsT | jsut saying |
| 23:41.33 | Ashamed | i dont have widescreen :( |
| 23:41.36 | Ashamed | mine broked |
| 23:41.39 | AlphA_VsT | how? |
| 23:41.51 | Ashamed | i have 1400x1050 :( |
| 23:41.54 | AlphA_VsT | lcd screens last forever |
| 23:42.09 | Ashamed | or 1280 by 1024* |
| 23:42.19 | Ashamed | the power supply went out |
| 23:42.23 | AlphA_VsT | sc2 doesnt support 1400x1050 lol |
| 23:42.23 | Ashamed | i acutally googled it |
| 23:42.31 | JademusSreg | I play on max resolution. I try not to waste space with my UI, though. |
| 23:42.31 | Ashamed | and this monitor model did it a bunch |
| 23:42.46 | AlphA_VsT | for sure JademusSreg :D |
| 23:42.54 | JademusSreg | Because wasted space is just poor design. D= |
| 23:43.32 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 23:43.58 | JademusSreg | It's why I made my own dialog and frame border texture, because the standard dialog borders waste like 50 pixels. D= |
| 23:44.08 | AlphA_VsT | they do |
| 23:44.09 | JademusSreg | Per side! |
| 23:44.17 | AlphA_VsT | yeah |
| 23:45.10 | JademusSreg | Ludicrous Speed is too long for the option card. |
| 23:46.10 | AlphA_VsT | yay im back to working on the screensize dialog menu |
| 23:46.17 | JademusSreg | I'll just add a font style that is slightly smaller, no problem. =D |
| 23:46.19 | AlphA_VsT | HAHAHAHAHA JademusSreg |
| 23:46.39 | AlphA_VsT | Ludicrous |
| 23:46.39 | AlphA_VsT | speed |
| 23:47.30 | JademusSreg | I may add plaid to the option image before release. Not sure. |
| 23:50.36 | AlphA_VsT | plaid is manly |
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