| 00:01.22 | JademusSreg | Text is a string that supports markup tags. How could the bank read-writer screw that up? |
| 00:01.41 | JademusSreg | Maybe if it misreads <> markup tags as xml delimiters. |
| 00:01.42 | DarkRevenant | im just saying |
| 00:01.50 | DarkRevenant | well |
| 00:01.52 | DarkRevenant | it has no markup |
| 00:01.53 | DarkRevenant | its just a player nam |
| 00:01.56 | DarkRevenant | im just saying |
| 00:01.57 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 00:01.58 | DarkRevenant | when i save text |
| 00:02.03 | DarkRevenant | it stops reading |
| 00:02.05 | DarkRevenant | sometimes |
| 00:02.08 | DarkRevenant | stops writing too |
| 00:02.10 | DarkRevenant | sometimes |
| 00:02.16 | DarkRevenant | i mean i'll call SAVE BANK X |
| 00:02.19 | DarkRevenant | and it wont make bank x |
| 00:02.30 | JademusSreg | Why do you save the name, anyway? |
| 00:02.34 | DarkRevenant | leaderboard |
| 00:03.04 | JademusSreg | Ah, so no comparisons mucking anything up. |
| 00:03.23 | DarkRevenant | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:03.30 | DarkRevenant | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:03.43 | DarkRevenant | oh thats a typo |
| 00:03.46 | DarkRevenant | but yeah it was |
| 00:03.54 | DarkRevenant | the same key |
| 00:03.58 | DarkRevenant | in previous versions |
| 00:04.09 | DarkRevenant | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:08.19 | SilverSeraphim | how do you give an ability a cooldown? |
| 00:08.57 | SilverSeraphim | is it "cast finish time" or "finish time" under stats? |
| 00:11.32 | JademusSreg | Cast, Time Use |
| 00:11.41 | JademusSreg | Under Cost |
| 00:13.16 | SilverSeraphim | ty! |
| 00:13.18 | JademusSreg | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/OptionCardPreview.jpg |
| 00:13.46 | AlphA_VsT | errr |
| 00:13.49 | AlphA_VsT | this is pissing me off |
| 00:13.58 | AlphA_VsT | nifty |
| 00:14.14 | JademusSreg | I need to lower the text by a pixel or two. |
| 00:14.17 | SilverSeraphim | btw i got my special infested to cast their abilities =D |
| 00:14.23 | JademusSreg | I'll need to remember that. |
| 00:14.27 | JademusSreg | Congrats Silver. |
| 00:14.31 | SilverSeraphim | ty =D |
| 00:14.33 | JademusSreg | What's the issue Alph? |
| 00:15.47 | Mexa | DarkRevenant, so you're storing the player score for all players for everyone? |
| 00:16.02 | Mexa | Why else would you even need to store the name? |
| 00:16.03 | DarkRevenant | i store |
| 00:16.05 | DarkRevenant | 4 scores |
| 00:16.09 | DarkRevenant | 3 scores are the top 3 |
| 00:16.12 | DarkRevenant | 1 score is yours |
| 00:16.31 | Mexa | Hm |
| 00:16.35 | Mexa | What's the point? |
| 00:16.47 | Mexa | They will not always be up to date |
| 00:16.47 | DarkRevenant | if you are going to argue that |
| 00:16.49 | DarkRevenant | then go away. |
| 00:16.54 | DarkRevenant | i am not asking about |
| 00:16.59 | DarkRevenant | the validity of my methods |
| 00:17.04 | DarkRevenant | im asking why the bank refuses to wokr |
| 00:17.05 | Mexa | I know, I am just asking why:) |
| 00:17.06 | DarkRevenant | work* |
| 00:17.19 | Mexa | Wasn't going to add any pun |
| 00:17.56 | Stewox | mexa |
| 00:18.05 | Stewox | when did you upload speedcraft |
| 00:18.18 | DarkRevenant | global leaderboard is |
| 00:18.22 | DarkRevenant | the idea here |
| 00:18.25 | Mexa | Yesterday or the day before yesterday |
| 00:18.42 | Stewox | it's doing well |
| 00:18.46 | Mexa | Really? |
| 00:18.51 | Mexa | I haven't checked it at all |
| 00:18.56 | Stewox | yeah , 1 hour |
| 00:19.04 | Mexa | That's nice |
| 00:19.24 | Mexa | Eventually it might get popular like Photon Cycles |
| 00:19.29 | Stewox | it's not in the bottom |
| 00:19.32 | Stewox | :p |
| 00:19.35 | Mexa | :p |
| 00:19.45 | Stewox | 27th page out of 84 |
| 00:19.51 | Bounty | Why arent you playing it Stewox? |
| 00:19.59 | Bounty | You've been asking about it for a month |
| 00:20.01 | Bounty | GO PLAY |
| 00:20.02 | Bounty | >< |
| 00:20.02 | Mexa | Darkrevenant, yeah, I got your idea. It's nice tho, but how will you handle sync problems? |
| 00:20.22 | DarkRevenant | people on the top 3 |
| 00:20.24 | DarkRevenant | tend to play a lot |
| 00:20.27 | Stewox | i will play |
| 00:20.30 | DarkRevenant | it propagates quickly |
| 00:20.34 | Stewox | im going to sleep son |
| 00:20.34 | Stewox | it's too late now |
| 00:20.45 | Mexa | Stewox, seeya! |
| 00:20.59 | Mexa | Yes, sure, but if someone mixtures with one of the banks |
| 00:21.07 | Mexa | Would you run a comparison check? |
| 00:22.52 | DarkRevenant | what |
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| 00:28.50 | Mexa | Hey DarkRevenant |
| 00:28.57 | Mexa | Your Mafia got some topic now.. http://www.d3scene.com/forum/starcraft-2-hacks/53029-request-modify-bankfile-mafia-sc2.html |
| 00:29.10 | Mexa | Durrdurrderp |
| 00:30.14 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:30.17 | Bounty | thats why i never used banks |
| 00:30.24 | Bounty | seems pointless |
| 00:30.46 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 00:30.52 | Mexa | They could be useful |
| 00:30.58 | AlphA_VsT | could be |
| 00:30.58 | Mexa | Like in saving preferences |
| 00:31.08 | Mexa | But stats, usually not |
| 00:31.44 | Mexa | Depends if you as a mod developer shoudl care about the unavoidable issue with banks or not. |
| 00:32.28 | Bounty | I just think banks are another example of why there must be a death penalty on hackers/cheaters |
| 00:32.32 | Bounty | fuck em all |
| 00:32.49 | Bounty | I mean, would you miss em? |
| 00:32.51 | Bounty | I wouldnt |
| 00:32.54 | AlphA_VsT | nope |
| 00:33.03 | Bounty | and chances are |
| 00:33.13 | Bounty | they are the same people who cause other forms or trouble in the real world |
| 00:33.32 | Bounty | but thats just imo |
| 00:33.41 | Bounty | I think the Death Penalty should be used more often lol |
| 00:33.46 | Mexa | lol:> |
| 00:34.17 | griffin_ | I need help with lobby set up ::: teams and obs etc |
| 00:34.30 | Mexa | It's funny though, hackers generate a high profit to Blizzard |
| 00:34.37 | Mexa | When they get banned, they buy another cdkey |
| 00:35.00 | DarkRevenant | well in any case |
| 00:35.13 | DarkRevenant | my extremely small bank |
| 00:35.15 | DarkRevenant | is not working |
| 00:36.25 | griffin_ | i need lobby setup help!!! |
| 00:39.16 | Bounty | I feel like i need to buy and play Darkspore |
| 00:39.28 | Bounty | But then again i feel like i will be making a huge mistake |
| 00:39.30 | Bounty | WTF |
| 00:40.06 | Mexa | Didn't like Darkspore due to the very monotone environment |
| 00:40.19 | Mexa | It got boring after a while <.< |
| 00:44.04 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 00:44.37 | AlphA_VsT | http://i.imgur.com/NcNIH.jpg BAM! |
| 00:45.26 | Mexa | :O is that ingame in sc2? |
| 00:45.39 | AlphA_VsT | YES |
| 00:45.49 | Mexa | Looks sweet |
| 00:47.09 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 00:48.21 | Mexa | o.0 ocremix added me on youtube |
| 00:48.27 | AlphA_VsT | WHO? |
| 00:48.35 | Mexa | never heard of them? |
| 00:48.45 | Mexa | http://ocremix.org/ |
| 00:49.01 | AlphA_VsT | OH |
| 00:49.04 | Mexa | game music remixes, mostly from older games |
| 00:49.16 | AlphA_VsT | yeah |
| 00:49.38 | Mexa | A huge database of remixed music actually |
| 00:49.47 | AlphA_VsT | yeah |
| 00:49.55 | JademusSreg | Fixed the gradient, new one makes it pop. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/OptionCardPreview.jpg |
| 00:49.56 | AlphA_VsT | known about that for years |
| 00:50.28 | AlphA_VsT | yeah much better JademusSreg |
| 00:50.36 | Mexa | jademus, you better add some tooltip later:> |
| 00:51.41 | JademusSreg | Oh, of course. |
| 00:51.53 | JademusSreg | What do I look like? An orc? |
| 00:51.57 | Mexa | arf.. can't find my house bill |
| 00:51.59 | Mexa | Lol |
| 00:52.00 | Mexa | No |
| 00:52.00 | Mexa | :> |
| 00:52.05 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 00:52.05 | SilverSeraphim | i don't understand why my Queen won't autocast her Transfusion |
| 00:52.06 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 00:52.07 | Mexa | grunts |
| 00:52.08 | Bounty | So |
| 00:52.14 | Bounty | Someone needs to make a Reality Show map |
| 00:52.16 | Bounty | >< |
| 00:52.16 | SilverSeraphim | i made a validator that checks if 75hp is missing |
| 00:52.21 | SilverSeraphim | but she won't heal this ultralisk |
| 00:52.31 | SilverSeraphim | flagged on Autocast and Autocast On flags |
| 00:52.35 | SilverSeraphim | set autocast range |
| 00:52.39 | SilverSeraphim | am i missing something? |
| 00:53.50 | SilverSeraphim | wait i think it might be an autocast filter |
| 00:54.03 | AlphA_VsT | now to code the basic game stats :D |
| 00:54.29 | AlphA_VsT | do it bounty |
| 00:54.32 | SilverSeraphim | huh? |
| 00:54.43 | Bounty | no thx lol |
| 00:54.45 | AlphA_VsT | you missed my ss? http://i.imgur.com/NcNIH.jpg |
| 00:55.00 | Bounty | no, i saw it |
| 00:55.06 | SilverSeraphim | i like it apha |
| 00:55.19 | Bounty | no idea wtf that is supposed to be for though lol |
| 00:55.54 | AlphA_VsT | not you bounty :P but yeah :D |
| 00:56.19 | SilverSeraphim | it's obviously a treasure hunting game |
| 00:59.03 | SilverSeraphim | yarg |
| 00:59.09 | SilverSeraphim | my queen still can't autocast transfusion |
| 01:01.23 | SilverSeraphim | i think i figured it out |
| 01:01.39 | SilverSeraphim | IT WORKS |
| 01:01.41 | SilverSeraphim | thank GOD |
| 01:02.05 | SilverSeraphim | i had the autocast filter set to "Ally" but not "Player" |
| 01:02.09 | SilverSeraphim | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:06.32 | AlphA_VsT | go SilverSeraphim :D |
| 01:07.29 | griffin_ | i need you help with my lobby |
| 01:07.50 | griffin_ | a regular blizzard melee map, i think metalopolis, only allows 4 players in the lobby |
| 01:08.04 | griffin_ | how can i increase this to the maximum, and i want the extra to be specs |
| 01:09.25 | AlphA_VsT | make start locations for every player |
| 01:09.35 | AlphA_VsT | as its considered a melee map moer than likely |
| 01:13.54 | griffin_ | OMG now again |
| 01:14.00 | griffin_ | my map keeps randomly changing back to melee |
| 01:14.04 | griffin_ | all my data keeps disappearing |
| 01:14.10 | griffin_ | i made over 80 changes and now its gone |
| 01:14.47 | AlphA_VsT | then your doign something seriously wrong |
| 01:15.13 | griffin_ | i never did anything, i never hit a reset button or anything |
| 01:16.54 | AlphA_VsT | then if you reopen your map it should be back |
| 01:17.04 | AlphA_VsT | because you didnt save teh cahnges |
| 01:17.14 | AlphA_VsT | and even then you have a back up |
| 01:17.36 | griffin_ | yes i save all the time |
| 01:17.41 | griffin_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:18.43 | AlphA_VsT | you over save and caused a bug |
| 01:19.13 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 01:19.36 | AlphA_VsT | seriously you save that much? and make no backups? |
| 01:23.55 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 01:26.06 | JademusSreg | I was playing with my daughter, her idea of fun is being a luchador. |
| 01:26.14 | Dogmai | jade |
| 01:26.16 | AlphA_VsT | fuck yeah |
| 01:26.22 | Dogmai | alpha |
| 01:26.24 | Dogmai | its about that time |
| 01:26.27 | AlphA_VsT | what time |
| 01:26.41 | JademusSreg | I'm always here, more or less. |
| 01:26.46 | Dogmai | to show you my ui =\ |
| 01:26.51 | AlphA_VsT | are you serious |
| 01:26.56 | Dogmai | yes |
| 01:26.57 | JademusSreg | Let's gopher it! |
| 01:26.58 | AlphA_VsT | check out my ui http://i.imgur.com/NcNIH.jpg |
| 01:26.59 | Dogmai | i am not kidding |
| 01:27.21 | AlphA_VsT | oh wait thats not really a ui |
| 01:27.26 | JademusSreg | Lay it on us, Dogmai. I am intrigued. |
| 01:27.28 | AlphA_VsT | but the menu for the game |
| 01:27.35 | Dogmai | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBqoFId_Mxg |
| 01:27.44 | Dogmai | watch it in 720 :P |
| 01:28.02 | AlphA_VsT | why |
| 01:28.19 | Dogmai | ugh, details in the ui T_T |
| 01:29.53 | AlphA_VsT | and so fucking slow to load |
| 01:30.06 | AlphA_VsT | whast with youtube 0.o |
| 01:30.19 | JademusSreg | Besides the cheesy line at the end, it was perfectly awesome. |
| 01:30.26 | Dogmai | haha |
| 01:30.32 | Dogmai | ta |
| 01:31.00 | JademusSreg | Very nice work with the vital bars. |
| 01:31.05 | JademusSreg | Seamless. |
| 01:31.16 | AlphA_VsT | its only liek 50% laoded for me |
| 01:31.17 | AlphA_VsT | wtf |
| 01:31.20 | JademusSreg | Score counter is very well polished. |
| 01:31.54 | JademusSreg | The bottom right is for inventory, yes? Or something comparable? |
| 01:32.46 | Dogmai | yes |
| 01:32.49 | JademusSreg | The abilities are positively spectacular, lierally, in the sense that each one was a visual spectacle. |
| 01:32.59 | Dogmai | thats dryeyece |
| 01:33.03 | Dogmai | he has some skill :) |
| 01:33.07 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 01:33.51 | JademusSreg | Nice work will the various tooltips, range indicators, all the little but significant details of lovely polish,. |
| 01:34.00 | Dogmai | indeed |
| 01:34.02 | Mexa | Wow yeah |
| 01:34.06 | AlphA_VsT | yeah i only watched half of it but |
| 01:34.07 | AlphA_VsT | yeah |
| 01:34.07 | Dogmai | you wait till you can get inside it |
| 01:34.17 | Dogmai | the video shows nearly nothing |
| 01:34.21 | AlphA_VsT | 0.o |
| 01:34.30 | Dogmai | even with the UI, it is so much more complex than the video shows |
| 01:34.40 | Dogmai | not complex to use, but complex as in jelly awesomeness |
| 01:34.51 | JademusSreg | If I find anything that merits criticism not related to balance, I'll let ya know. =D |
| 01:34.58 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 01:35.14 | JademusSreg | I think you mean it has emergent complexity. |
| 01:35.17 | AlphA_VsT | hopefully the ui alone didnt take 9 months :D |
| 01:35.18 | Dogmai | haha thanks mate |
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| 01:35.24 | Dogmai | nah |
| 01:35.37 | Dryeyece | HI everyone |
| 01:35.38 | Dogmai | the engine is on its third rewrite |
| 01:35.41 | JademusSreg | Like distinguishing something that is complicated and something that has complexity. |
| 01:35.50 | Mexa | Dogmai, looks great, may I just point out a slight error :3` |
| 01:35.52 | Dryeyece | yeah but thats mostly to compress its size |
| 01:35.57 | Dogmai | each time I rewrote it it reduced it's size and is stupidly fast now |
| 01:36.02 | Dogmai | yea |
| 01:36.17 | Dogmai | go for it mexa |
| 01:36.18 | Dryeyece | notplus all of the heroes are 100% data so theres no lag there either |
| 01:36.27 | JademusSreg | Sweet. |
| 01:36.30 | AlphA_VsT | yeah |
| 01:36.43 | Dryeyece | plus* |
| 01:36.48 | Mexa | The tenth second counter displays wrong:P |
| 01:36.53 | Dryeyece | whats that Mexa? |
| 01:37.03 | Mexa | hours|minutes|seconds|0x |
| 01:37.09 | Mexa | x being the number changing |
| 01:37.14 | Dryeyece | milliseconds I think |
| 01:37.19 | Dogmai | milliseconds |
| 01:37.21 | Dogmai | its out of 10 |
| 01:37.22 | Mexa | mm |
| 01:37.26 | Mexa | well |
| 01:37.34 | Mexa | the 0 is always displaying 0 there |
| 01:37.41 | Dogmai | its actually not |
| 01:37.44 | Dogmai | it flashes 1 |
| 01:37.47 | Mexa | in the video it is |
| 01:37.49 | Mexa | Well |
| 01:37.50 | Dogmai | every tenth of a second |
| 01:37.53 | Mexa | that's a mistake |
| 01:38.03 | Dogmai | orly? |
| 01:38.03 | Mexa | because also that should go up to 9 |
| 01:38.04 | JademusSreg | What update step do you use for the timer? |
| 01:38.40 | Dogmai | it runs on a system similar to unix time |
| 01:39.02 | Dogmai | it is not the most effecient way to do it, but it doesn't cause lag |
| 01:39.08 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 01:39.17 | Mexa | That didn't say me anything |
| 01:39.19 | Mexa | lol |
| 01:39.22 | Dogmai | cause all the UI has to be updated as well |
| 01:39.29 | Dogmai | well, unixtime is just a number |
| 01:39.53 | JademusSreg | A thread with a wait 0 game time will iterate 32 time per game second, on fastest game speed that's ~48 iterations per real second. |
| 01:40.08 | Dogmai | its not a 0,0 wait |
| 01:40.20 | Dogmai | the UI refreshes 10 times a real second, regardless of speed |
| 01:40.36 | Mexa | The error anyway |
| 01:40.38 | Dogmai | which is once every 3-5 game cycles |
| 01:40.40 | Dogmai | as you said |
| 01:40.50 | Mexa | Is that the number is increasing at the wrong spot |
| 01:41.00 | JademusSreg | I'm just curious about your update step. =D I have no dog in this race. |
| 01:41.17 | Mexa | I see what you think though. |
| 01:41.45 | Dogmai | yea mexa, my mind just clicked |
| 01:41.48 | Dogmai | i realise what you mean |
| 01:41.52 | Mexa | :) |
| 01:41.58 | Dogmai | alright, the last number is ugh |
| 01:42.01 | Dogmai | cycletime |
| 01:42.04 | Dogmai | not milliseconds |
| 01:42.05 | Dryeyece | I am glad someone does that programmer speaky shit is greek to me |
| 01:42.07 | Dogmai | there i win :P |
| 01:42.13 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 01:42.20 | Mexa | haha |
| 01:42.21 | Dogmai | when in doubt, change what it's called |
| 01:42.35 | Mexa | never mind really:P I just noticed so |
| 01:42.35 | Dryeyece | lol |
| 01:42.41 | Mexa | Other than that, looks cool- |
| 01:42.49 | Dryeyece | ty |
| 01:42.50 | Dogmai | which actually works pretty well for me, if I increase it to 32 times a second, the number will display 32 |
| 01:42.54 | Dogmai | before going back to zero |
| 01:43.07 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 01:43.08 | Mexa | I realised, those symbols |
| 01:43.15 | Mexa | This is project TMA? |
| 01:43.20 | JademusSreg | Weee |
| 01:43.21 | Dryeyece | yes |
| 01:43.33 | Dryeyece | they are the symbols for Psionic, Armored and Light |
| 01:43.33 | Mexa | Nice |
| 01:43.37 | Dryeyece | the three archetypes of hero |
| 01:43.39 | Dogmai | indeed |
| 01:44.11 | AlphA_VsT | I KNEW IT!!! |
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| 01:44.14 | Dryeyece | they are displayed throughout the game so once you start playing they become very familiar and you can glance at them on the fly to determine a heroes archtype its very handy |
| 01:44.40 | Dryeyece | Dude I put TMA_ in front of my name for like a week |
| 01:44.42 | Dryeyece | no one caught on though |
| 01:44.47 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 01:44.48 | Mexa | lol |
| 01:44.55 | Dogmai | lol |
| 01:44.57 | Mexa | I hardly notice |
| 01:45.01 | Dogmai | you know whats amazing though |
| 01:45.04 | Mexa | I also never really followed TMA:P |
| 01:45.04 | Dryeyece | yeah its all good |
| 01:45.10 | Dryeyece | people will know now though lol |
| 01:45.10 | Dogmai | nothing in game is down with scripts |
| 01:45.11 | JademusSreg | Which one of you does the textures for the UI. Dogmai, yes? |
| 01:45.14 | Dogmai | including the ports |
| 01:45.16 | Dogmai | yes |
| 01:45.23 | Dryeyece | yeah |
| 01:45.27 | Dogmai | it is I |
| 01:45.40 | Dogmai | i did the video too |
| 01:45.42 | Dogmai | :P |
| 01:45.46 | JademusSreg | I'm curious how you did the vital gauges. |
| 01:45.47 | Dryeyece | he does all the art |
| 01:45.52 | Dogmai | plptt |
| 01:46.06 | Dogmai | its actually really bloody smart |
| 01:46.13 | Dogmai | i have a function called DialogX |
| 01:46.35 | Dogmai | 1 sec |
| 01:46.36 | JademusSreg | Ah, so it uses a trigger. |
| 01:46.56 | Dryeyece | the UI and game rules and leaderboards are whats done through triggers |
| 01:46.59 | Dogmai | yes |
| 01:47.00 | JademusSreg | I had hoped it was a wicked sweet layout trick. |
| 01:47.05 | Dryeyece | and shop |
| 01:47.19 | Dogmai | No, I do not believe this would have been possible through layout files |
| 01:47.22 | Dryeyece | the shop wasnt featured in the video though because it isnt finished but there are 50 items now |
| 01:47.23 | JademusSreg | I can script gauges, no problem. |
| 01:47.24 | AlphA_VsT | yeah same |
| 01:47.35 | JademusSreg | If it had been layout, I would have gone to half-mast. |
| 01:47.43 | AlphA_VsT | only half |
| 01:47.44 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 01:47.50 | Dryeyece | lol |
| 01:47.53 | Dogmai | Do you want to see what the UI looked like in october last year? |
| 01:48.05 | JademusSreg | Naw, it might make us cry. |
| 01:48.11 | AlphA_VsT | probably |
| 01:48.15 | Dryeyece | lol |
| 01:48.17 | Dogmai | haha |
| 01:48.19 | Mexa | wants, he guesses. |
| 01:48.21 | JademusSreg | Weep from the inverse of Stendhal Syndrome. |
| 01:48.29 | Dogmai | I'll keep it secret |
| 01:48.29 | Dryeyece | actually for the time it was made in its really awesome |
| 01:48.38 | Dogmai | http://www.dogmai.org/mapcontest.jpg |
| 01:48.40 | JademusSreg | Seeing something plain after seeing something soul-shatteringly beautiful. |
| 01:49.09 | Dogmai | I have tonnes of screenshots from start of the project to finish, if people are interested I will post them, so you can see how it evolved. |
| 01:49.23 | JademusSreg | Save it for your portfolio. |
| 01:49.25 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 01:49.28 | Dogmai | The original UI was epic for the time :P |
| 01:49.33 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 01:49.42 | AlphA_VsT | im sure |
| 01:49.52 | JademusSreg | It still is compared to what most mappers pop-n-squat out. |
| 01:50.03 | Dryeyece | the original UI was what really got me on board back when dog was looking for a data editor to make heroes |
| 01:50.09 | JademusSreg | But the current ui is very slick. |
| 01:50.22 | Dogmai | Of course, cause I have time now to do what I enjoy doing |
| 01:50.32 | JademusSreg | One would be hard pressed to find a ui that would rival it in slickness. |
| 01:50.36 | Dryeyece | Same here |
| 01:50.53 | AlphA_VsT | yeah it is |
| 01:50.56 | Dogmai | When TMA is released, I want to reskin the starcraft UI to be similar to that |
| 01:51.14 | JademusSreg | TMA Melee |
| 01:51.17 | Dogmai | Did anyone notice the APM bar above the minimap |
| 01:51.18 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 01:51.22 | Dogmai | out of curiosity |
| 01:51.22 | Dryeyece | it wouldnt work in a melee game bro, you would have to make a lot of changes to it |
| 01:51.34 | JademusSreg | Naw, I was distracted by all the flashy cool powers. |
| 01:51.36 | Dogmai | I have another one designed just for melee games |
| 01:51.40 | Dryeyece | well its not like there is anything saying look this is an APM bar |
| 01:51.52 | Dogmai | obviously :P |
| 01:51.53 | AlphA_VsT | yeah |
| 01:51.59 | Dryeyece | dude wait till you actually play my heroes |
| 01:52.05 | JademusSreg | I am in a state of infinite jest. |
| 01:52.38 | Mexa | It's great to see so much custom content |
| 01:52.38 | Dryeyece | Dog and I used to get hung up playing TMA back when it was just 4 heroes and we were just testing their abilities lol |
| 01:52.42 | Mexa | And it's not even ripped |
| 01:52.46 | Mexa | joys. |
| 01:52.50 | JademusSreg | Yes, I'd like to play the map; gives me something to which I may look forward. |
| 01:53.04 | Dryeyece | 8-) |
| 01:53.07 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 01:53.16 | JademusSreg | And I concur with Mexa. |
| 01:53.38 | JademusSreg | How did you go about managing values for balance? |
| 01:53.47 | Mexa | I mean, projects like Alpha's and this one is currently the ones I've seen with neat custom material |
| 01:54.03 | AlphA_VsT | i just started mine its not even a game |
| 01:54.11 | AlphA_VsT | well paper zombies |
| 01:54.17 | Mexa | It's as old as the beta :v |
| 01:54.17 | AlphA_VsT | but thats on hold for a while |
| 01:54.25 | JademusSreg | Alph has more custom content than published maps. Someday we'll see Paper Sniper Zombie Dungeon. |
| 01:54.30 | Mexa | Still, it's content, and I approve :3 |
| 01:54.41 | Dryeyece | lol |
| 01:54.44 | AlphA_VsT | I know right |
| 01:54.48 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 01:55.04 | AlphA_VsT | well see it all falls back on it self really |
| 01:55.24 | AlphA_VsT | the sniper thing is a concept to put paper zombies into street level |
| 01:55.34 | JademusSreg | I'm always curious about the approaches developers use for balancing. |
| 01:55.40 | AlphA_VsT | and the randomness of the duneon is from paper zombies |
| 01:55.56 | AlphA_VsT | so yeah :P |
| 01:55.57 | Mexa | Shit... I should definitly chose texturing as my optional course next year... I need to learn that stuff <.< |
| 01:56.10 | Dogmai | http://www.dogmai.org/tofu.jpg |
| 01:56.10 | JademusSreg | So Dry, what approach do you use to balancing? |
| 01:56.36 | Dogmai | its not texturing persay - i draw all of it using the pen in photoshop, one pixel at a time - seriously |
| 01:56.40 | Dogmai | drew* |
| 01:56.53 | Mexa | fine |
| 01:57.03 | Mexa | So I am screwed, I can't really draw anything of good use |
| 01:57.04 | Dryeyece | I base it off a LOT of things |
| 01:57.04 | Mexa | :( |
| 01:57.09 | Dogmai | lol |
| 01:57.10 | JademusSreg | That reminds me, I need a new tablet. |
| 01:57.31 | Dogmai | i have a 500$ wacom tablet i bought in hong kong, which is the size of my 27" screen |
| 01:57.36 | JademusSreg | The face on my old one is goddamn peeling. |
| 01:57.38 | Dogmai | and it sits in my cupboard cause im better with the mouse |
| 01:57.39 | Dryeyece | there is the intrinsic rock paper scissors that is built into every hero i.e armored do 20% more dmg to light, and 20% less to Psionic |
| 01:57.40 | AlphA_VsT | so its pixal art Dogmai |
| 01:57.41 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 01:57.46 | Dogmai | indeed |
| 01:58.08 | Dryeyece | so there is no need for armor, the increased health of the armored hero is offset by how much more dmg a much lower health psionic hero can do |
| 01:58.16 | JademusSreg | How do you manage the volume of data, though? |
| 01:58.22 | Dryeyece | but that gets ironed out by items, but items are avalable to everytone |
| 01:58.28 | Dryeyece | Editor Prefixes |
| 01:58.41 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 01:58.47 | Dryeyece | like all stun effects get _Stun prefixed so they are easy to manage |
| 01:59.03 | AlphA_VsT | what they are for |
| 01:59.04 | JademusSreg | So you don't have spreadsheets and formulas or notebooks filled with numbers, then? =D |
| 01:59.06 | Dryeyece | and I have about 10 Notebooks full of...notes lol |
| 01:59.10 | Dogmai | he does |
| 01:59.11 | JademusSreg | Ah, see. |
| 01:59.15 | Dogmai | o_O |
| 01:59.18 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 01:59.18 | Dryeyece | I have spreadsheets for some things |
| 01:59.27 | JademusSreg | 2 seconds difference, Dogmain. |
| 01:59.30 | JademusSreg | *Dogmai |
| 01:59.42 | Dryeyece | but in my opinion forumlas for calculating what a heroes dps should be are a very mechanical way to go about it |
| 02:00.20 | Dryeyece | I use a much more organic method so there is a lot of variance and no two heroes are the same |
| 02:01.07 | Dryeyece | like there are very high dps Armored heroes who also have high ass health because of their archetype but they balance out because either their ds is more complicated to produce or very conditional etc... |
| 02:01.19 | JademusSreg | I'm a spreadsheet and formula person myself, lots of tests, refining formulas, blah blah, all very tedious. |
| 02:01.23 | Dryeyece | either their* |
| 02:01.38 | AlphA_VsT | so tedious |
| 02:01.43 | Dryeyece | I measure their dps in game with a trigger system I designed to do it |
| 02:01.47 | Dryeyece | so I can tune it from there |
| 02:02.09 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 02:02.12 | AlphA_VsT | Im more of a get it wrong over and over again till i just happen to get it right kinda guy |
| 02:02.13 | Dryeyece | Forumlas try to take into account things and assign values for them right |
| 02:02.14 | AlphA_VsT | 0.o |
| 02:02.54 | Dryeyece | like having stuns would be a -5 and having no approach or slow on a melee would be like a +7 and you would go further to take into account hundreds of litle things about them |
| 02:03.09 | Dryeyece | to calculate what their dps output should look like |
| 02:03.15 | Dryeyece | am I close? |
| 02:03.22 | JademusSreg | Yeah, only I try to derive composite values from base and other dervied values through their relationships. |
| 02:03.33 | Dryeyece | Yeah |
| 02:04.03 | JademusSreg | Tedious but useful as hell. |
| 02:04.04 | Dryeyece | But even there with those formulas you have to decide what things are worth, and how they interrelate |
| 02:04.11 | JademusSreg | Yes, exactly. =D |
| 02:04.26 | Mexa | Well, enjoy the rest of the night folks. I am going to bed |
| 02:04.26 | JademusSreg | The human element cannot be divorced from balance. |
| 02:04.29 | Mexa | Nightynight |
| 02:04.33 | JademusSreg | It requires judgement calls. |
| 02:04.35 | Dryeyece | Exactly |
| 02:04.36 | Dogmai | night mexa |
| 02:04.44 | Dryeyece | so what I do is the opposite I embrace the human element |
| 02:06.00 | Dryeyece | I go off what I want out of the hero and ignore all else then I measure their output and bring it in line with the other heroes and what this or that particular hero might be able to do that others cant |
| 02:06.03 | JademusSreg | While I attempt to find expressions that take my fundamental judgement calls and streamline calibration through transformations of sets. =D |
| 02:07.01 | JademusSreg | Two different approaches to the same beautiful goal, balanced gameplay. <3 |
| 02:07.13 | Dryeyece | well kinda like in physics |
| 02:07.19 | Dryeyece | you cant actually touch anything |
| 02:07.49 | Dryeyece | also you cant really balance anything either, what you do at the base level of it all is reveolve the imbalance |
| 02:08.05 | Dryeyece | revolve |
| 02:08.35 | Dryeyece | and in the process achive a semblence of balace but like touching something you can't actually get all the way there |
| 02:09.29 | JademusSreg | Yes, that is apt, perfect balance requires perfect play for the expression to be meaningful, but perfect play tends either toward being boring or unsolvable. |
| 02:09.39 | Mexa | If I wake up with that god damn awful spider tomorrow... |
| 02:09.41 | Mexa | I swear |
| 02:09.43 | Dryeyece | Precisely |
| 02:10.31 | JademusSreg | SC2 perfect play, for instance, would require incalculable computing power. |
| 02:10.36 | Dryeyece | The way TMA works will be on a fulcrum of sorts, at the beginning of the game the heroes are retartedly balanced, but as the game progresses the blaance gets tipped all over the place and theres really no balance at all but by end game its all back relatively balanced again |
| 02:10.38 | JademusSreg | And memory. |
| 02:10.52 | Dryeyece | Didnt you see the zerglings dodge the siege tanks? |
| 02:10.57 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 02:11.00 | JademusSreg | It was lovely. |
| 02:11.00 | Dryeyece | That autobot thing |
| 02:11.09 | Mexa | you did that? |
| 02:11.10 | Dryeyece | that was ridiculous |
| 02:11.14 | Mexa | nvm |
| 02:11.31 | Dryeyece | I was like wait.....and had to ask Dogmai, are those Zerlgings dodging the siege tanks? |
| 02:11.48 | Dryeyece | and he like yeah only 1 dies at a time and instantly I was blown away |
| 02:11.49 | Mexa | goes back to his bed. Lurkfree. |
| 02:11.54 | Mexa | Seeya again |
| 02:11.57 | Dryeyece | lol |
| 02:12.03 | Dryeyece | peace |
| 02:14.03 | Dryeyece | tell you what I would kill for is someone who could make custom models, and visual effects for abilities in game, im starting to run out of them in the editor lol |
| 02:14.21 | JademusSreg | Perfect play would require solving SC2, something that is impossible given our current technological limits. |
| 02:14.43 | JademusSreg | I've got someone who does stuff for me, you could ask him. |
| 02:15.12 | Dryeyece | It kinda works out though because a few of my abilities use some really awesome effects that I prolly wouldnt have thought of if I wasnt trying to come up with interesting ways to use the art lol |
| 02:15.28 | JademusSreg | If Blizzard ever releases their art tools so we can get something better than the current shitty m3 convertor, he'll be able to do great things. |
| 02:16.19 | JademusSreg | The current m3 convertor doesn't even support some materials, walkability planes, or ribbon emitters. =\ |
| 02:16.51 | Dryeyece | I tried to jack a couple of WoW models that arent really used in WoW all that much but they dont come with attachment points 8( |
| 02:17.02 | JademusSreg | Gah. |
| 02:17.11 | JademusSreg | Yeah, we need those art tools. |
| 02:17.25 | Dryeyece | If I had my way I would be using warcraft 3 to make TMA with SC2's graphics quiality |
| 02:17.42 | Dryeyece | im a mideval fantasy nut to about 3 or 4 degrees more than sci fi |
| 02:18.05 | Dogmai | but thats been done |
| 02:18.07 | Dogmai | -_- |
| 02:18.12 | Dogmai | scifi is better |
| 02:18.19 | JademusSreg | Shadow_Killer is a friend of mine from wc3c, he might be persuaded to make models if it interests him. |
| 02:18.20 | Dryeyece | negative ghostrider |
| 02:18.25 | AlphA_VsT | scifi mideval fantasy is win |
| 02:18.33 | Dryeyece | agreed |
| 02:18.42 | Dryeyece | Outlander...prime example |
| 02:18.48 | JademusSreg | medieval |
| 02:18.58 | Dryeyece | I always mispell that word |
| 02:19.01 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 02:19.54 | Dryeyece | Did you guys notice the global ability cooldown in the video? |
| 02:20.53 | Dryeyece | Thats what I thought lol, thats one of those things you gotta play to relaly notice it |
| 02:21.36 | JademusSreg | Naw, I was distracted by all the pretty lights. |
| 02:21.46 | Dryeyece | lol |
| 02:22.13 | Dryeyece | There was this one epic killshot I got off on one of the others in the vid that he totally missed recording, I was sad |
| 02:23.04 | JademusSreg | What do all those flashy beacons do? |
| 02:23.13 | Dryeyece | it was epic I was on Roach Poppa and I jumped Armobo ( a techy Armored hero) and dogmai runs up on Moomba and they started eating my breakfast so I used Roach Poppas Roach Hole Transit to bug out ( anywhere on map teleport) and circled back and got the kill on Armbo |
| 02:23.20 | JademusSreg | I noticed terran and zerg beacons. |
| 02:23.21 | Dryeyece | those are the portals |
| 02:23.23 | Dryeyece | 100% data |
| 02:23.57 | Dryeyece | Blue throws you up to the next cliff level, orange throws you down one and green ports you to the same cliff level i.e other green portals |
| 02:24.06 | Dryeyece | there are no ramps |
| 02:24.22 | JademusSreg | What about the ramps into the water? |
| 02:24.28 | AlphA_VsT | ha |
| 02:24.30 | AlphA_VsT | he got you |
| 02:24.38 | Dryeyece | those are inside you bases lol |
| 02:24.43 | JademusSreg | Haha! |
| 02:24.48 | Dryeyece | and those are the only ones lol |
| 02:24.50 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 02:25.02 | Dryeyece | and thats because the portals can only be used once every ten seconds |
| 02:25.23 | AlphA_VsT | no way |
| 02:25.23 | Dryeyece | and inside your base there are those cliffs that stick out of it for you to attack people on the other side |
| 02:25.23 | AlphA_VsT | thats so dumb |
| 02:25.23 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 02:25.31 | AlphA_VsT | kidding |
| 02:25.34 | Dryeyece | so you dont have to portal up to those particular adcnatage cliffs inside your base |
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| 02:25.42 | Dryeyece | lol |
| 02:26.10 | JademusSreg | I'm guessing they work like wormhole transit, then? That seems like a natural basis for a data portal. |
| 02:26.11 | Dryeyece | They bring incredibly fun gameplay mechanics just being there |
| 02:26.26 | Dryeyece | I dunno what wormhole transit is |
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| 02:26.45 | Dryeyece | I make everything from absolute scratch except the occaisonal weapon |
| 02:26.54 | JademusSreg | I do the same. |
| 02:27.18 | Dryeyece | But my portals are my secret as to how they work exactly 8) |
| 02:27.37 | JademusSreg | I enjoy figuring out how things work. =) |
| 02:27.52 | Dryeyece | =p |
| 02:28.01 | Dryeyece | If you do figure it out I will tell you |
| 02:28.09 | JademusSreg | I can think of two ways off the top of my head. |
| 02:29.00 | Dryeyece | the best part about em is that they are 100% data so there is 0 delay when using them |
| 02:29.29 | Dryeyece | hit me with one of em im interested to hear this actually 8) |
| 02:29.48 | Dogmai | i bet he wont get it :P |
| 02:30.10 | Dryeyece | I will be a little sad if he does right out the gate |
| 02:30.21 | JademusSreg | Either a periodic search or a smart clickable ability to activate the entrance portal, which then either uses an ability to issue an order to the exit portal to teleport the activator to it (like wormhole transit), or the entrance issues an order to the hero unit to use a teleport ability (like blink) to target the exit portal. |
| 02:30.34 | Dryeyece | I wineither |
| 02:30.37 | Dryeyece | neither |
| 02:30.55 | Dryeyece | not even close actually |
| 02:31.03 | Dogmai | yea, pretty much |
| 02:31.07 | Dogmai | keep it a secret :P |
| 02:31.18 | Dogmai | @dryeyece |
| 02:31.28 | JademusSreg | I'll figure it out. =) |
| 02:31.29 | Dryeyece | but the order to use the teleport ability thats not bad |
| 02:31.52 | Dryeyece | but through data you gotta figure out how you would make the ability find the right target every time |
| 02:32.58 | JademusSreg | Let's see, there's also the mechanism that allows the nydus network to transport units instantly through its connected units. |
| 02:35.11 | Dryeyece | thats a good idea but no I didnt copy or use any other starcraft ability to do them |
| 02:35.25 | Dryeyece | Lawl I dont even know how the nydus network, works |
| 02:35.36 | Dryeyece | imma look into that, I forgot that I was curious about it |
| 02:35.43 | JademusSreg | I don't expect you to copy them. =) |
| 02:35.51 | JademusSreg | I refer to them as shorthand. |
| 02:36.15 | JademusSreg | Since saying the name of every class and the value of every field would be exhausting. |
| 02:36.15 | Dryeyece | yar |
| 02:36.30 | Dryeyece | but I dont have any idea how most of those work so the analogy is lost on me lol |
| 02:36.38 | Dryeyece | ohh yeah |
| 02:36.45 | AlphA_VsT | wait what |
| 02:36.46 | Dryeyece | Dude |
| 02:36.54 | Dryeyece | I trained myself how to do Morphs FINALLY |
| 02:37.26 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 02:37.31 | AlphA_VsT | didnt i help you with that |
| 02:37.41 | AlphA_VsT | fucking noob |
| 02:37.46 | Dryeyece | yes you did |
| 02:37.54 | Dryeyece | but im too stoned to remember what with |
| 02:38.21 | AlphA_VsT | where in data can you cahnge the loading screen progress bar? |
| 02:38.25 | AlphA_VsT | or can you |
| 02:38.29 | Dryeyece | at the top |
| 02:38.33 | Dryeyece | in the map options |
| 02:38.47 | AlphA_VsT | yeah i know that |
| 02:38.51 | Dryeyece | what part did you help me with really, cuz now I cant remember what it was at all |
| 02:38.52 | AlphA_VsT | but what determines |
| 02:39.02 | AlphA_VsT | how that menu is set |
| 02:39.14 | AlphA_VsT | i have 0 data assets in my map |
| 02:39.18 | AlphA_VsT | i have no races |
| 02:39.20 | JademusSreg | If it's not using a teleport effect, or a transport ability, that leaves Launch Missile, launching the hero as the missile with a mover that moves it instantly. |
| 02:39.40 | Dryeyece | did you use no dependencies? |
| 02:39.48 | AlphA_VsT | yeah thats the poitn of the map |
| 02:39.57 | AlphA_VsT | http://i.imgur.com/NcNIH.jpg |
| 02:39.59 | Dryeyece | no missile |
| 02:40.26 | Dryeyece | nice image |
| 02:40.40 | AlphA_VsT | thats in game |
| 02:41.02 | Mexa | It kills me that data can do more than one thinks |
| 02:41.13 | Dryeyece | what do you want to change about the loading screen progress bar? |
| 02:41.16 | AlphA_VsT | yeah i know right |
| 02:41.17 | Mexa | And I hate it, because I don't understand data very well yet |
| 02:41.18 | JademusSreg | Use Calldown. =D |
| 02:41.20 | AlphA_VsT | the progess bar |
| 02:41.21 | Dryeyece | you want it to look different? |
| 02:41.39 | AlphA_VsT | yeah |
| 02:42.42 | AlphA_VsT | foudn it |
| 02:43.04 | Mexa | Can data make me a car physics game? If not then I guess I'll continue with galaxy <.< |
| 02:43.14 | AlphA_VsT | sure it can |
| 02:43.18 | Mexa | Lies |
| 02:43.32 | Mexa | engine torque, gear changing |
| 02:43.41 | Mexa | aerodynamic drag? |
| 02:43.42 | AlphA_VsT | all can be done with data |
| 02:43.47 | AlphA_VsT | buffs |
| 02:43.52 | AlphA_VsT | abilities |
| 02:43.56 | Mexa | gear ratios? |
| 02:43.59 | Dryeyece | In Game UI Data |
| 02:44.05 | AlphA_VsT | i said i found it :D |
| 02:44.16 | Mexa | I'd rather know what I am doing through scripting |
| 02:44.24 | Mexa | Everything will be out of place with data |
| 02:44.26 | Dryeyece | Ohh lol I was looking for it, so I didnt read that =p |
| 02:44.33 | Mexa | With no precise explanations. |
| 02:44.44 | JademusSreg | Effects I can think of to move units: Apply Force, Issue Order (to issue an order to use an Effect - Target with a Teleport effect), Teleport, possibly Use Calldown |
| 02:45.27 | Mexa | Cannot help me with vector movements either |
| 02:45.33 | Mexa | Data* |
| 02:45.39 | AlphA_VsT | can you do me a favor and paste the line? |
| 02:45.44 | AlphA_VsT | cause i dont know what to put |
| 02:45.45 | AlphA_VsT | haha |
| 02:45.48 | Mexa | And, collision constants and whatnot |
| 02:46.14 | Dryeyece | Only hint, its several effects and youve only named 1 |
| 02:46.18 | Mexa | and friction :)? |
| 02:46.27 | AlphA_VsT | the loading screen and the main menu is so seamless otherwise |
| 02:46.30 | Dryeyece | this games friction is broken |
| 02:46.30 | Mexa | Well, I am just wobblingwabblingwubbles |
| 02:46.42 | Dryeyece | you hit a flying unit with force and you only need a fraction of it |
| 02:46.42 | Mexa | good |
| 02:46.49 | Mexa | I'll do it my way |
| 02:46.51 | Mexa | :3 |
| 02:46.58 | Dryeyece | you hit a ground unit with force you need a ton of it even if you life them off the ground first |
| 02:47.10 | Dryeyece | lift* |
| 02:47.14 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 02:47.15 | Mexa | lol |
| 02:47.24 | Mexa | Meh |
| 02:47.24 | AlphA_VsT | is it the weight of the unit |
| 02:47.26 | AlphA_VsT | that effects it |
| 02:47.28 | AlphA_VsT | ? |
| 02:47.34 | Dryeyece | nope |
| 02:47.37 | Mexa | Those physics aren't suppose to be realistics |
| 02:47.44 | Mexa | Also, all units have a mass of 0.4 |
| 02:47.46 | Dryeyece | cuz a battlecruiser definitely heaver than a marine |
| 02:47.55 | Dryeyece | by default |
| 02:48.11 | Mexa | Unless you customly change, yeah |
| 02:48.29 | Dryeyece | I think the problem is literally the Ground or Air plane array that the unit is on |
| 02:48.42 | Mexa | So yeah, good night with the hope I never return on 4 hours. |
| 02:48.49 | Mexa | *within |
| 02:49.17 | Dryeyece | Like you can bump ground units around but if you want to move one with any kind of speed force wont do it to a ground unit, at least not in any way I have tried |
| 02:49.30 | Dryeyece | Later Mexa |
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| 02:51.35 | JademusSreg | Apply Behavior with a Create Persistent effect to Search Area for target, then Teleport Source Unit to Target Unit/Point. |
| 02:52.26 | Dryeyece | nope |
| 02:52.57 | JademusSreg | Dogmai said not to tell me, so you would say no when I get it right, yes? |
| 02:53.10 | AlphA_VsT | yes |
| 02:53.14 | Dogmai | nah, I am not that much of a dick |
| 02:53.15 | AlphA_VsT | cause hes a fuck |
| 02:53.18 | Dryeyece | no |
| 02:53.18 | Dogmai | For instance |
| 02:53.32 | Dogmai | I would not want people to release my map open sourced - simply because I do not want copypasta |
| 02:53.45 | Dogmai | However, I don't mind telling anyone how I did anything |
| 02:53.57 | Dogmai | There is a huge difference between learning the concept and just merely pasting something. |
| 02:54.35 | JademusSreg | Also, there is a certain fractal quality to these explanations, a fuzzy line of detail over which I may smooth over. So I must be far off. |
| 02:54.57 | Dryeyece | That was kinda close though Jade, but your not thinking of a lot of the problems that come up when you do it that way |
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| 02:56.10 | JademusSreg | Naw, I'm only concerned with the the concept; the nuanced complexity of implementation isn't interesting to me. Like Validator For This Thing, Set/Switch Effect for that thing. |
| 02:56.25 | JademusSreg | I duncare about that. |
| 02:56.51 | Dryeyece | ohh well it doesnt work without those |
| 02:57.01 | JademusSreg | Well of course. |
| 02:57.06 | Dryeyece | you wouldnt go anywhere it would port you to itself lol |
| 02:58.06 | Dryeyece | Behaviors dont need persistent effects for the most part because they themselves are persistent effects |
| 02:58.36 | JademusSreg | But saying Validator for behavior is teleporting, or Validate the target has Is In Portal Pair C Behavior, is excessive to me. |
| 02:58.53 | JademusSreg | I mean, validators to filter out crap is a given. |
| 02:59.12 | JademusSreg | I know about behaviors though. =) |
| 02:59.21 | Dryeyece | I love behaviors |
| 02:59.25 | JademusSreg | I included both effects to see which one would get a hit. |
| 02:59.46 | Dryeyece | lol |
| 03:00.00 | JademusSreg | Nerdy cold reading. |
| 03:00.15 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 03:00.23 | AlphA_VsT | yeah |
| 03:00.28 | AlphA_VsT | dialogs are a bitch |
| 03:00.29 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 03:00.35 | AlphA_VsT | im going to be a dialog master |
| 03:00.37 | JademusSreg | I'm the John Edwards of SC2 modding, I guess? |
| 03:00.38 | AlphA_VsT | after this |
| 03:00.52 | JademusSreg | Naw, I actually help people. |
| 03:00.55 | Dryeyece | who is John Edwards |
| 03:00.58 | AlphA_VsT | i try to help |
| 03:01.09 | AlphA_VsT | im so horrible i will never be a teacher |
| 03:01.20 | AlphA_VsT | people make me rage when i try to help them |
| 03:01.20 | JademusSreg | John Edwards is just another scamming self-professed psychic. |
| 03:01.38 | AlphA_VsT | I NEED SOUNDS |
| 03:01.55 | Dryeyece | I dont believe in psychics so I laugh profusely at those people |
| 03:02.05 | JademusSreg | He even had a show on the Sci Fi channel for a while, goddamn fools. |
| 03:02.11 | Dryeyece | lol |
| 03:02.22 | JademusSreg | Yeah, such idiocy makes me want to squirt my hate juices. |
| 03:02.48 | JademusSreg | From my inflamed rage glands. |
| 03:02.51 | Dryeyece | that sounds down right disgusting |
| 03:03.00 | Dryeyece | lol |
| 03:03.10 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 03:03.16 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 03:04.15 | AlphA_VsT | that stupid psychic on the montel williams show years ago freaked me out |
| 03:04.17 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 03:04.45 | Dryeyece | no idea what you are talking about lol |
| 03:05.45 | AlphA_VsT | this was liek 10 years ago |
| 03:06.31 | Dryeyece | 10 years ago if im not mistaken was during my EQ life |
| 03:06.52 | Dryeyece | during which time what was actually going on in reality was irrelevant to me |
| 03:07.11 | Dryeyece | except for the annoying need to eat shit and sleep |
| 03:07.31 | AlphA_VsT | eq life... you mean your no life |
| 03:07.41 | Dryeyece | hell no I had an awesome life |
| 03:08.03 | Dryeyece | I sat in cool zones typing /ooc 52 Ranger LFG PST |
| 03:08.24 | Dryeyece | once I even almost did all of my epic quest! |
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| 03:08.42 | AlphA_VsT | almost all |
| 03:08.43 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 03:08.46 | Dryeyece | never did quite do it all |
| 03:08.51 | Dryeyece | I switched toons too much |
| 03:09.02 | AlphA_VsT | i never played eq |
| 03:09.07 | AlphA_VsT | im way to cool |
| 03:09.21 | Dryeyece | I got just about everything into the low 50's and my ranger eventually made it to 62 but I didnt even understand the concept of MMORPG at the time |
| 03:09.38 | JademusSreg | Dry, you had better not be Tim Buckley! |
| 03:09.44 | Dryeyece | I went from never owning a computer in my life and only ever playing console RPG;s to EQ and it was game over from there |
| 03:10.28 | Dryeyece | but now after over 10 years of hardcore gaming coupled with all the console gaming from when I was a teenager I am a beast at just about any computer game |
| 03:11.44 | Dryeyece | I still prefer single hero RPG or PVP games though, I really dont care for RTS games much at all |
| 03:12.08 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 03:12.46 | Dryeyece | I bought SC2 because my brother and my best friend told me a hundred times it was going to be epic because sc1 was so epic, I never played sc1 mind you |
| 03:13.15 | Dryeyece | I really liked the sc2 campaign that part was awesome at times but I suck ballzorz at melee games |
| 03:13.31 | Dryeyece | I got smoked in the face by a medium computer this morning |
| 03:13.48 | JademusSreg | I suck at melee, no doubt. |
| 03:13.57 | Dryeyece | want to play a melee match? |
| 03:13.59 | Dryeyece | lol |
| 03:14.04 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
| 03:14.10 | Dryeyece | they are fun but only when playing someone as sucky or worse than me |
| 03:14.11 | JademusSreg | I have exactly one league match on my record. |
| 03:14.19 | JademusSreg | I played a lot of melee during beta. |
| 03:14.23 | JademusSreg | But not since. |
| 03:14.30 | Dryeyece | my friend and I got to 1st place in our bronze 2v2 leage |
| 03:14.40 | Dryeyece | cuz im a cheeser |
| 03:14.41 | Dryeyece | only |
| 03:14.55 | Dryeyece | if you are ever in a melee game with Dryeyece expect without fail to be cheesed |
| 03:15.00 | JademusSreg | I placed in silver, you know, before they added a bazillion leagues with a cherry on top. |
| 03:15.07 | Dryeyece | lol |
| 03:15.34 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 03:15.45 | AlphA_VsT | i got into copper |
| 03:15.48 | AlphA_VsT | im like wtf |
| 03:15.52 | AlphA_VsT | i destory all |
| 03:16.12 | AlphA_VsT | i lost like 4 out of the last 20 games |
| 03:16.37 | AlphA_VsT | but i stopped playing and i have like a shit ton of saved what ever |
| 03:16.39 | AlphA_VsT | :P |
| 03:16.53 | AlphA_VsT | i suck at melee though |
| 03:17.11 | Dryeyece | I am so glag to hear im not alone in realizing that about myself |
| 03:17.19 | Dryeyece | glad |
| 03:17.43 | Bounty | I am undefeated in melee |
| 03:17.46 | JademusSreg | I am terrible, but I don't mind. |
| 03:17.52 | Bounty | Platinum League |
| 03:17.56 | JademusSreg | So am I; I'm still terrible. |
| 03:18.08 | JademusSreg | I'm in Lint League. |
| 03:18.11 | Dryeyece | go to hell Bounty |
| 03:18.13 | Dryeyece | 8) |
| 03:18.15 | JademusSreg | They added it just for me. |
| 03:18.20 | Dryeyece | LOL |
| 03:18.23 | Dryeyece | nice one Jade |
| 03:18.29 | Bounty | meh |
| 03:18.30 | Bounty | 2/10 |
| 03:18.32 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 03:18.41 | JademusSreg | 1/1 |
| 03:18.59 | JademusSreg | See? I can express arbitrary fractional values too! |
| 03:20.40 | griffin_ | i still love u and need ur help later |
| 03:21.54 | AlphA_VsT | jade thats so lame of you .0001/.0001 |
| 03:22.16 | JademusSreg | That's equal to 1/1 |
| 03:22.19 | AlphA_VsT | i know |
| 03:22.24 | AlphA_VsT | thats the joke |
| 03:22.27 | AlphA_VsT | god |
| 03:22.39 | AlphA_VsT | :( |
| 03:23.00 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 03:23.29 | JademusSreg | grif, I don't think there is anything I can do from here. |
| 03:23.33 | griffin_ | dont turn this into hive workshop! |
| 03:23.53 | JademusSreg | There is no Hive Workshop. Or The Helper. |
| 03:24.07 | JademusSreg | There is only wc3c! Buwahahaha |
| 03:24.39 | JademusSreg | That sentiment would have been more amusing a few years ago. |
| 03:24.40 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 03:24.43 | AlphA_VsT | what |
| 03:24.58 | JademusSreg | When any of those sites were sub-culturally relevant. |
| 03:24.58 | AlphA_VsT | I found the most epic music for my game |
| 03:25.00 | AlphA_VsT | <3 |
| 03:25.20 | Dryeyece | What race do you melee as Bounty? |
| 03:25.59 | Dryeyece | I admitted my sheesiness so you can imagine I play Protoss lol |
| 03:26.00 | JademusSreg | Bounty hasn't seen the video. |
| 03:26.08 | Dryeyece | really? |
| 03:26.16 | JademusSreg | He got on a little while ago. |
| 03:26.29 | Bounty | I dont play melee Dryeyece |
| 03:26.32 | AlphA_VsT | ive always played protoss |
| 03:26.39 | Bounty | I played my 5 placement matches, won all 5 and havent played since |
| 03:26.45 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 03:26.50 | Dryeyece | Didnt you say you were unbeatable high diamond or were you fuckin with me and I missed it completely |
| 03:26.55 | Dryeyece | lol |
| 03:26.59 | AlphA_VsT | he was fucking you |
| 03:27.00 | AlphA_VsT | hard |
| 03:27.14 | Dryeyece | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBqoFId_Mxg |
| 03:27.18 | Bounty | I actually have my 5th placement match recorded |
| 03:27.23 | Bounty | someone tried to cheese me |
| 03:27.24 | Bounty | =P |
| 03:27.25 | Bounty | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjL0E8rMNDY |
| 03:27.31 | Dryeyece | I feel like wylee coyote right as he morphs into a jackass |
| 03:27.53 | AlphA_VsT | im goign to ahev like 40 min of music in my map if that is even possible |
| 03:27.54 | AlphA_VsT | 0.o |
| 03:28.09 | Dryeyece | When Cheese Fails season 1 episode 4 I think |
| 03:28.12 | JademusSreg | Alph, what format? |
| 03:28.14 | Bounty | watch my epic placement match |
| 03:28.17 | Bounty | WATCH EET |
| 03:28.19 | Dryeyece | is the best cheese counter ever prolly |
| 03:28.25 | Bounty | no |
| 03:28.31 | Bounty | the counter i did in that video i jsut linked |
| 03:28.34 | Bounty | is the best >< |
| 03:28.50 | JademusSreg | 40 minutes of music will be more than 40 MB in ogg. |
| 03:29.18 | AlphA_VsT | thats you playing? |
| 03:29.22 | Dryeyece | are you gonna fly you CC over and PF himin his base? |
| 03:29.31 | Bounty | yeah it is Alpha |
| 03:29.33 | Bounty | like 8 months ago |
| 03:30.07 | AlphA_VsT | you do realize you only need 3 on each plyon :D |
| 03:30.22 | Bounty | you do realize i dont give a shit |
| 03:30.28 | Bounty | i played my placement matches n that was it |
| 03:30.28 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:30.33 | Bounty | i dont care about the game at all >< |
| 03:30.37 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 03:30.43 | Dryeyece | now I see the bunker |
| 03:30.44 | Bounty | i just thought it was funny |
| 03:30.46 | Bounty | how i won |
| 03:30.51 | Bounty | and how the guy reacted at the end |
| 03:31.04 | AlphA_VsT | he was jsut as noobish as you |
| 03:31.06 | AlphA_VsT | :P |
| 03:31.45 | Dryeyece | nice your flying it all over LOL |
| 03:32.07 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:32.08 | AlphA_VsT | you dotn fucking cannon rush a terrian |
| 03:32.14 | AlphA_VsT | like really |
| 03:32.37 | AlphA_VsT | and they always say you cheese |
| 03:32.42 | AlphA_VsT | i dotn get it |
| 03:33.08 | AlphA_VsT | shoudl watch when cheese fails |
| 03:33.09 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 03:33.31 | Dryeyece | that shit was funny you should submit that to when cheese fail.s |
| 03:33.37 | Bounty | i still lol at the fact i flew my barracks all the way to his base lol |
| 03:33.46 | Bounty | landed that bitch |
| 03:33.50 | Bounty | like |
| 03:33.55 | Bounty | "Hai Bro" |
| 03:33.56 | Dryeyece | did you watch the TMA vid? |
| 03:34.00 | Dryeyece | base trade |
| 03:34.13 | Bounty | btw, wtf is When Cheese Fails? lol |
| 03:34.25 | Dryeyece | only way it would have been more epic was if you flew your cc over there |
| 03:34.29 | Dryeyece | you tube it |
| 03:34.31 | AlphA_VsT | http://www.youtube.com/user/LifesAGlitchTV |
| 03:34.41 | Dryeyece | its the best starcraft casting available |
| 03:35.13 | Dryeyece | and morphed it into a planetary fortress and started mining his minerals |
| 03:35.24 | Bounty | didnt have an engineering bay |
| 03:35.24 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:35.31 | Dryeyece | yeah im just sayin |
| 03:35.36 | Dryeyece | only way it could be any more epic |
| 03:35.51 | Dryeyece | especially with his final comment |
| 03:35.59 | Bounty | yeah lol |
| 03:36.29 | Bounty | how do i submit it to them? |
| 03:36.34 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 03:36.45 | Dryeyece | watch one of their vids it will tell you in the beginning |
| 03:36.51 | Dryeyece | d2dgamer.com I think |
| 03:37.09 | Dryeyece | Do you still have the replay or just that fast forward of it? |
| 03:37.17 | AlphA_VsT | watching a few of the new oens i have not seen yet lol |
| 03:37.28 | Dryeyece | theres a marathon of cold casts |
| 03:37.29 | Bounty | let me check |
| 03:37.32 | Dryeyece | some of them are quite funny |
| 03:37.33 | Bounty | its an old replay |
| 03:37.37 | Bounty | it should still be there though right? |
| 03:37.52 | Dryeyece | I dunno |
| 03:38.19 | Dryeyece | it records custom games too so it may have dumped it if youve played a ton of those since that match |
| 03:39.14 | Bounty | yep i still got it |
| 03:39.20 | Bounty | it had to load an old version of sc2 |
| 03:39.23 | Bounty | or w/e |
| 03:39.32 | Dryeyece | ohh wow lol |
| 03:40.03 | Dryeyece | they might be able to cast it I wouldnt know but it would be funny to see them drop the big red fail sign on him at the end |
| 03:41.22 | Bounty | having trble finding the replay lol |
| 03:41.27 | Bounty | where are they saved again? |
| 03:41.48 | Dryeyece | Not a clue |
| 03:42.04 | Dryeyece | Their web-site might tell you though |
| 03:42.25 | Dryeyece | they have mentioned it hacing easyt to follow instructions on how to upload it to their site but I havent ever actually looked |
| 03:42.34 | Bounty | found it |
| 03:42.34 | Bounty | :) |
| 03:42.36 | Dryeyece | I could be their humber 1 supplier though if I laddered lol |
| 03:42.45 | Dryeyece | my cheese is really bad |
| 03:42.53 | Dryeyece | I get 4 zealots and go |
| 03:43.21 | Dryeyece | sucks when thats your only plan and you get put onto one of those huge ass maps |
| 03:43.51 | Dryeyece | but I have actually been interested to try the cannon rush mehod |
| 03:44.01 | Dryeyece | I never thought of that till I started watching when cheese fails |
| 03:44.04 | Bounty | i really dont see where the fuck ur supposed to submit ur replay |
| 03:44.05 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:44.10 | Bounty | on this site |
| 03:44.28 | AlphA_VsT | wow fail |
| 03:45.16 | Bounty | fuck it ill just send it to them on youtube lol |
| 03:45.23 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 03:45.26 | Dryeyece | You are right |
| 03:45.28 | Bounty | this site is so unorganized |
| 03:45.32 | Dryeyece | all I see is ways to donate money |
| 03:46.47 | Bounty | whats a good site to use to upload this replay file? |
| 03:46.49 | Bounty | so i can link it to them |
| 03:47.11 | AlphA_VsT | zip it and send? |
| 03:47.22 | Dryeyece | Wish I knew |
| 03:47.22 | Bounty | i cant send it to them over youtube |
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| 03:50.43 | JademusSreg | =D |
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| 03:53.08 | Bounty | grrr |
| 03:53.10 | Bounty | JAdemus |
| 03:53.12 | Bounty | should i buy Darkspore |
| 03:53.13 | Bounty | lo |
| 03:53.14 | Bounty | l |
| 03:53.17 | JademusSreg | No. |
| 03:53.17 | Bounty | i want something to do >< |
| 03:53.20 | JademusSreg | Wait for Diablo 3. |
| 03:53.31 | Bounty | But the world is going to end before then |
| 03:53.42 | Dryeyece | lol |
| 03:53.52 | JademusSreg | Darkspore is Diablo + Pokemon, a dungeon crawler for children. |
| 03:54.01 | AlphA_VsT | no shit |
| 03:54.03 | Bounty | how? |
| 03:54.06 | Bounty | it haz blood |
| 03:54.09 | Bounty | IT HAZ BLOOD |
| 03:54.55 | JademusSreg | Cubone's skull helmet was made from the head of its dead mother. |
| 03:55.01 | griffin_ | The marauder punisher grenades dont affect massive units, how can i add more? |
| 03:55.14 | griffin_ | like punisher grenades wont punish pure psionic units like archon |
| 03:55.15 | JademusSreg | That doesn't change the fact that Pokemon was for children. |
| 03:55.46 | Dryeyece | add more what |
| 03:55.51 | JademusSreg | grif, validator for the effect that applies the behavior gogogo |
| 03:56.29 | JademusSreg | Darkspore is so easy I was bored while kicking ass. |
| 03:56.43 | JademusSreg | It's so easy, the boss rooms have health shrines. |
| 03:57.11 | griffin_ | ty i was looking for that |
| 03:57.13 | JademusSreg | It's so easy, it's trivial to grind the same level chains over and over for loot. |
| 03:57.29 | JademusSreg | It's goddamn ridiculously easy. |
| 03:57.34 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 03:57.40 | AlphA_VsT | health shrines in boss rooms |
| 03:58.04 | JademusSreg | The entire game is a grind. |
| 03:58.56 | JademusSreg | Grind for items, grind to unlock monsters called "Genetic Heroes" (that alone is beyond idiocy), grind for points to buy shit so you can grind longer. |
| 03:59.37 | JademusSreg | It's so easy, nothing is risked and nothing feels earned. |
| 04:00.20 | JademusSreg | It's perfect if you need something to kill time on a train to work, played on a tablet computer. |
| 04:00.31 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 04:01.18 | JademusSreg | The ability design is smart, lots of synergistic potential, since each ability has a side effect. The ability design really shines in multiplayer. |
| 04:01.55 | AlphA_VsT | :P |
| 04:02.06 | JademusSreg | Everything else about the game is mediocre, and mediocre is the new terrible, didn't you hear? |
| 04:03.14 | AlphA_VsT | yeah |
| 04:04.00 | AlphA_VsT | your cheese is not hard yet hahaa |
| 04:04.04 | AlphA_VsT | best comment ever |
| 04:05.27 | Bounty | all i know is |
| 04:05.28 | Bounty | i want |
| 04:05.38 | Bounty | the Complete Dawn of War 2 collection or Darkspore lol |
| 04:05.58 | JademusSreg | Dawn of War. |
| 04:06.01 | JademusSreg | gogogo |
| 04:06.34 | Bounty | problem with dawn of war is |
| 04:06.39 | Bounty | since im buying it on steam |
| 04:06.42 | Bounty | i should wait for a sale |
| 04:07.06 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 04:07.06 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 04:07.20 | Bounty | which is the only fucking reason i dont have it |
| 04:07.25 | Bounty | bc i know if i buy it now |
| 04:07.30 | Bounty | itll go on sale for 95% off 2morrow |
| 04:10.42 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 04:10.48 | JademusSreg | Reality conspires against you. |
| 04:10.59 | Bounty | Yep |
| 04:11.05 | Bounty | Its just like the lottery |
| 04:11.10 | Bounty | The moment you stop playing your numbers |
| 04:11.12 | Bounty | They come up |
| 04:11.21 | JademusSreg | I don't play the lottery. |
| 04:11.41 | Bounty | Why? its only a buck lol |
| 04:12.07 | JademusSreg | Or as the ubiquitous desperate masses refer to it, The Lotto. |
| 04:12.28 | Bounty | desperate? |
| 04:12.30 | JademusSreg | I believe in the value of merit over luck. |
| 04:12.52 | Bounty | i believe in money |
| 04:13.01 | Bounty | and i've won plenty from the lottery lol |
| 04:13.10 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 04:13.26 | JademusSreg | Hopes pinned on luck are wasted, better spent allocating energy to efforts to improve one's life. |
| 04:13.46 | Bounty | and how does one improve his or her life Jademus... outside of money |
| 04:14.07 | JademusSreg | Hard work, virtue, friendship. |
| 04:14.20 | Bounty | and you act like people who play the lottery play it as a job? |
| 04:14.26 | Bounty | grrr |
| 04:14.31 | JademusSreg | Naw, scarecrow. |
| 04:14.33 | Bounty | u need to just stop now |
| 04:14.35 | Bounty | lol |
| 04:14.44 | Bounty | ive alrdy gotten into one arguement today >< |
| 04:15.07 | JademusSreg | I am dispassionate in this. Makes no difference to me either way. |
| 04:15.29 | Bounty | spending 2 bucks a week on the chance to win money doesnt mean i cant impriove my life lol |
| 04:15.41 | Bounty | and that i dont value hard work, virtue or friendship |
| 04:15.41 | JademusSreg | People are welcome to do as they please, so long as they do not infringe upon the autonomy of others. |
| 04:15.53 | Bounty | or w/e u were saying >< |
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| 04:25.56 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 04:26.10 | AlphA_VsT | so i had some amazing ideas for this rpg |
| 04:26.50 | AlphA_VsT | Im going to have a store and the only items in it will be items players have sold that they found |
| 04:27.37 | AlphA_VsT | and every game that list is generated so you could have nothing or you could have something awesome |
| 04:28.00 | JademusSreg | Hm. What about rotation of stock? |
| 04:28.30 | JademusSreg | I mean, I'm sure some items would get sold to other people in the world. =) |
| 04:28.42 | AlphA_VsT | this isnt a mmo fuck |
| 04:28.54 | AlphA_VsT | WHY do you make things harder |
| 04:28.59 | AlphA_VsT | but yeah |
| 04:29.00 | AlphA_VsT | ok |
| 04:29.03 | AlphA_VsT | find |
| 04:29.05 | AlphA_VsT | fine |
| 04:29.08 | AlphA_VsT | you win |
| 04:30.13 | AlphA_VsT | but yeah |
| 04:30.40 | AlphA_VsT | ive decided that its going to be mostly single player |
| 04:30.55 | JademusSreg | I figured that. =D |
| 04:31.13 | JademusSreg | At least that means you can load it with as much stuff as you want. |
| 04:31.28 | AlphA_VsT | there will be reason play it with others though |
| 04:31.36 | AlphA_VsT | nah it will be 5 players max |
| 04:32.05 | JademusSreg | Well, you won't be able to fit much music in there then. D= |
| 04:32.10 | AlphA_VsT | i know |
| 04:32.27 | AlphA_VsT | i might just use all my slots for this or have people host a slot |
| 04:32.32 | AlphA_VsT | get to it when its there |
| 04:32.46 | AlphA_VsT | im still building the groudn work |
| 04:33.06 | AlphA_VsT | I also want quests that you can do "while your not playing" |
| 04:33.44 | AlphA_VsT | and this is almost like a .hack meets diablo |
| 04:35.04 | AlphA_VsT | im trying to think of a way to randomize the bank so much even if you knew wtf was going on it would be like huh |
| 04:35.22 | griffin_ | okay every1 |
| 04:35.25 | griffin_ | i am about to publish again |
| 04:35.27 | AlphA_VsT | good news |
| 04:35.34 | griffin_ | but i am having player property problems! |
| 04:35.34 | AlphA_VsT | oh nm |
| 04:35.45 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 04:35.56 | griffin_ | My map is a melee map , like metalopolis |
| 04:36.05 | griffin_ | I want it to have the maximum number of players allowed |
| 04:36.09 | griffin_ | so that they can spectate / ref |
| 04:36.56 | JademusSreg | And? |
| 04:37.04 | griffin_ | i am having trouble >.> |
| 04:37.08 | griffin_ | had trouble with it all day |
| 04:37.16 | griffin_ | have done 20 attempts and 10x republishing |
| 04:37.29 | griffin_ | i want to play it so badly, its so close to being done! |
| 04:37.32 | AlphA_VsT | we know you have |
| 04:37.33 | griffin_ | ppl want to play it too |
| 04:37.55 | JademusSreg | There's not much we can do, short of tinkering with the map ourselves. |
| 04:38.06 | griffin_ | if i give u the file |
| 04:38.10 | griffin_ | can u tinker with it? |
| 04:38.13 | JademusSreg | If they want to play, tell them to not be pansies ands play. |
| 04:38.21 | JademusSreg | Nope. I'm busy. |
| 04:38.30 | griffin_ | nono, i want more obs slots |
| 04:38.33 | JademusSreg | I've photoshop and the editor open. |
| 04:38.57 | JademusSreg | I'm up to my eye in srs business. |
| 04:39.04 | JademusSreg | But I can answer questions. |
| 04:41.03 | AlphA_VsT | srs eye business |
| 04:41.05 | AlphA_VsT | ewww |
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| 04:44.01 | AlphA_VsT | yaay each race currently has 20 diffrent stats |
| 04:44.07 | AlphA_VsT | mostly resists |
| 04:44.09 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 04:44.18 | JademusSreg | Coo. |
| 04:44.37 | JademusSreg | Maybe after Photon Cycles I'll make an RPG and we can compete and stuff. Could be fun. |
| 04:44.54 | JademusSreg | Depends on how I feel when that time comes. |
| 04:44.56 | AlphA_VsT | im working with "records" for the first time hopefully i dont fuck this up :D |
| 04:45.10 | JademusSreg | You will at first, but you'll get used to it. |
| 04:45.40 | AlphA_VsT | its the only way i can keep this organized lol |
| 04:48.49 | griffin_ | i think i got it alpha and all |
| 04:48.56 | griffin_ | and jade |
| 04:49.02 | griffin_ | here goes another in game test >.> |
| 04:49.11 | JademusSreg | Good luck. |
| 04:49.32 | JademusSreg | Eventually, you will have solved the problem with literally no help from us, I think. |
| 04:50.34 | AlphA_VsT | yeah we really dont know wtf your doing so :P |
| 04:50.43 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 04:52.25 | griffin_ | OMG NOT AGAIN |
| 04:52.31 | griffin_ | i want the lobby like metalopolis |
| 04:52.35 | griffin_ | with 2 on each team max |
| 04:52.39 | griffin_ | and the rest as observers |
| 04:52.46 | griffin_ | it has 2 huge teams of 7v7 and i cant rmeove it |
| 04:53.09 | JademusSreg | Dogmai, amalgamy is not a word. =D |
| 04:53.35 | JademusSreg | Amalgam is. |
| 04:53.58 | Dryeyece | actually the english languages allows for the substitution and replacement of suffixes on words |
| 04:54.13 | Dryeyece | So amalgam can become amalgamy and its legitimate |
| 04:54.27 | JademusSreg | And the suffix performs what operation in this instance? |
| 04:55.04 | JademusSreg | "Project TMA is an amalgamy of all the great PvP titles of our time" |
| 04:55.22 | Dryeyece | cahnges it to an adjective |
| 04:55.44 | JademusSreg | An adjective shouldn't be there. D= |
| 04:55.58 | Dryeyece | it means its like ebing an amalgam |
| 04:56.00 | Dogmai | blame dryeyece |
| 04:56.07 | Dogmai | i know its not a word, but we actually use it here |
| 04:56.10 | Dogmai | funnily enough |
| 04:56.13 | Dogmai | in speech |
| 04:56.31 | Dryeyece | I have used it for a long time merriam-webster can suck my ballz 8) |
| 04:56.36 | JademusSreg | "Project TMA is a smelly of all the great PvP titles of our time." |
| 04:56.42 | Dryeyece | lol |
| 04:56.43 | AlphA_VsT | FUCK ME |
| 04:56.43 | Dogmai | we are rewriting the dictionary as we speak |
| 04:56.46 | AlphA_VsT | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:56.48 | Dogmai | chikachikabangbang |
| 04:56.49 | AlphA_VsT | yeah |
| 04:56.50 | AlphA_VsT | fuck |
| 04:57.04 | AlphA_VsT | so logn i double did shit |
| 04:57.18 | JademusSreg | Sure, language is defined by its use, absolutely. |
| 04:57.57 | AlphA_VsT | thats some long ass grammar text :D |
| 04:57.58 | JademusSreg | But that is incorrect grammar. =D |
| 04:58.03 | AlphA_VsT | i know |
| 04:58.07 | JademusSreg | Not you! |
| 04:58.09 | JademusSreg | Cry. |
| 04:58.11 | JademusSreg | Dry |
| 04:58.13 | JademusSreg | Oops. |
| 04:58.16 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 04:58.21 | JademusSreg | We're all just fucking up tonight! =D |
| 04:58.24 | AlphA_VsT | yeah |
| 04:58.29 | Dryeyece | So, the word sounds cool and I like it 8) |
| 04:58.50 | JademusSreg | I will say "This tastes amalgamy" the first opportunity I get. |
| 04:59.11 | AlphA_VsT | that sounds gross |
| 04:59.14 | JademusSreg | If I happen to be chewing on some gold and taste mercury, I'll say "This tastes amalgamy." =D |
| 04:59.42 | AlphA_VsT | also it would be chika chika bang bang really |
| 05:00.21 | JademusSreg | Are all says of the week open for tofu beta testing? |
| 05:00.39 | JademusSreg | Days. |
| 05:01.06 | JademusSreg | Fuck words, I'm tired of these flacid audible actions! |
| 05:01.14 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 05:01.20 | AlphA_VsT | asdasdasdwdad |
| 05:01.45 | AlphA_VsT | hows my long ass grammar text? |
| 05:01.56 | Dryeyece | Dogmaie |
| 05:01.59 | Dryeyece | Dogmai |
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| 05:02.31 | Demalii | can you turn a model, sideways? |
| 05:02.50 | Demalii | so as to turn an effect model side so it would be coming from a wall, instead of the ground |
| 05:04.51 | griffin_ | OMG my map is done, and u guys can test it... |
| 05:04.58 | griffin_ | but i am having these same slot problems |
| 05:05.08 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 05:05.30 | AlphA_VsT | a melee map really isnt my thing or anyone elses here |
| 05:05.46 | AlphA_VsT | and why would i want to watch :P |
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| 05:07.48 | JademusSreg | Dema, that is a popular question. |
| 05:08.13 | JademusSreg | I do not have answer. Lots of people try, though. Maybe someone has the answer. |
| 05:08.51 | JademusSreg | grif, you gotta make a better pitch. |
| 05:09.29 | JademusSreg | Tell us about the map. And leave out the fact that it has teams and it's on metalopolis. |
| 05:09.35 | Demalii | right on |
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| 05:14.01 | AlphA_VsT | lol JademusSreg |
| 05:14.11 | MrOp | hi XD |
| 05:14.14 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 05:14.20 | JademusSreg | Hi Mister Op. |
| 05:14.55 | AlphA_VsT | really |
| 05:15.02 | AlphA_VsT | you know what they say |
| 05:15.04 | AlphA_VsT | ... |
| 05:15.17 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
| 05:15.17 | MrOp | hay jad are you any good with power point |
| 05:15.21 | MrOp | or anywhere here |
| 05:15.28 | MrOp | for some reason he needs a programer |
| 05:15.42 | AlphA_VsT | huh |
| 05:15.55 | JademusSreg | I can use power point, sure, but I don't see how I could be of assistance. |
| 05:15.59 | AlphA_VsT | are you talking about your self in 3rd person |
| 05:16.02 | JademusSreg | I mean, power point is pretty simple stuff. |
| 05:17.09 | MrOp | his name is megamasher |
| 05:17.21 | MrOp | he should begetting on in a min |
| 05:17.34 | JademusSreg | Whadawhodawhada? |
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| 05:18.13 | MrOp | hay jade |
| 05:18.16 | MrOp | mega jade |
| 05:18.17 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 05:18.31 | MrOp | mega is my friend |
| 05:18.33 | MrOp | XD |
| 05:19.18 | JademusSreg | Power point is really just easy. If you've ever used any microsoft office program ever, you know how to use them all. |
| 05:19.32 | MrOp | for some reason he cant type |
| 05:19.43 | JademusSreg | He forgot to retreive his arms. |
| 05:19.50 | MrOp | probably lol |
| 05:19.51 | MrOp | XD |
| 05:20.16 | JademusSreg | http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=4 |
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| 05:25.39 | AlphA_VsT | LOL |
| 05:25.42 | AlphA_VsT | cant type |
| 05:26.02 | JademusSreg | This is more productive than even I had anticipated. |
| 05:26.11 | AlphA_VsT | what is? |
| 05:27.06 | JademusSreg | The conversation I am not having with the person I don't know. |
| 05:27.41 | JademusSreg | Like I said, he needs to retrieve his arms first. |
| 05:28.07 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 05:28.54 | megamasher | oh wow, i figured it out T_T |
| 05:29.01 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 05:29.14 | megamasher | the bar is white at the bottom |
| 05:29.22 | megamasher | how stupid is that ahaha |
| 05:29.40 | megamasher | anyways, mrop said you did computer programming? |
| 05:29.42 | JademusSreg | You're using a browser based client, I take? |
| 05:29.57 | JademusSreg | Lots of people here program, only most of them are asleep. |
| 05:30.02 | JademusSreg | What's up? |
| 05:30.13 | megamasher | i need to interview one lol |
| 05:30.24 | JademusSreg | Oh, haha. |
| 05:30.27 | megamasher | and i looked everywhere for one |
| 05:30.39 | megamasher | been looking for about 8 hours now |
| 05:30.43 | JademusSreg | Well, I had anticipated mrop wanted me to make a power point presentation or something. |
| 05:30.49 | megamasher | lol |
| 05:30.52 | megamasher | no i have to |
| 05:30.57 | megamasher | i know how to do that |
| 05:30.59 | JademusSreg | Which is to say, he asks for help a lot. |
| 05:31.03 | megamasher | lol |
| 05:31.28 | megamasher | so is there anyone in here that does it as a profession? |
| 05:31.42 | JademusSreg | A few. |
| 05:31.55 | JademusSreg | But most of them are afk/sleeping. |
| 05:32.01 | megamasher | cuz i would give an arm and a leg if i could interview one |
| 05:32.26 | megamasher | hmmm |
| 05:32.34 | JademusSreg | I know there are always people in the tigsource irc channel. |
| 05:33.17 | megamasher | ok, do you think you could like me? |
| 05:33.21 | megamasher | link* |
| 05:33.23 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 05:33.27 | megamasher | hahaha |
| 05:33.27 | JademusSreg | Sure. |
| 05:33.34 | megamasher | im tired |
| 05:34.09 | griffin_ | any new ppl on that can try and help me? player slot problems |
| 05:35.15 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 05:35.24 | AlphA_VsT | griffin_, |
| 05:35.50 | JademusSreg | Server: irc.esper.net Channel: #tigIRC |
| 05:36.09 | AlphA_VsT | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:36.14 | AlphA_VsT | hwos that look |
| 05:36.26 | AlphA_VsT | hows :D |
| 05:36.38 | JademusSreg | Makes my eyes want to hemorrhage. |
| 05:36.49 | JademusSreg | But I can make sense of it. |
| 05:36.51 | AlphA_VsT | lol i know other than that |
| 05:37.05 | AlphA_VsT | FUCKING long ass grammar text |
| 05:37.05 | JademusSreg | mega, did you see the above? |
| 05:37.38 | JademusSreg | I'm not certain your browser client supports connecting to other servers. |
| 05:37.39 | megamasher | yeah, no one is in there tho O_o |
| 05:37.53 | megamasher | it should |
| 05:38.10 | JademusSreg | Well, there is no tigsource channel on this server. |
| 05:38.21 | AlphA_VsT | :P |
| 05:38.22 | megamasher | ah ok, i see |
| 05:38.25 | JademusSreg | I may have a solution. One moment. |
| 05:40.28 | JademusSreg | https://chat.mibbit.com/ |
| 05:40.54 | JademusSreg | When it comes up, click Server, enter irc.esper.net |
| 05:41.26 | JademusSreg | Enter #tigIRC into channel. |
| 05:42.17 | JademusSreg | That's where indie devs (and aspirers) chat. |
| 05:42.33 | megamasher | cool, i did it |
| 05:42.36 | megamasher | and i had arms this time |
| 05:42.41 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 05:42.49 | JademusSreg | MSPA, best thing ever. |
| 05:43.13 | megamasher | so do you know anyone i should chat to personally |
| 05:43.34 | JademusSreg | Nope. I live under a rock, so to speak. |
| 05:43.46 | megamasher | yeah well same here <_< |
| 05:44.34 | JademusSreg | I do what I enjoy, modding, programming, photoshop, fuck everything else. =D |
| 05:44.55 | megamasher | lol |
| 05:44.57 | megamasher | im a dancer |
| 05:45.04 | JademusSreg | Goot. |
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| 05:45.20 | megamasher | and love video games :P |
| 05:45.35 | Dryeyece | Video games are awesome! |
| 05:45.38 | JademusSreg | Life is frail and brief, gotta do your best. |
| 05:46.39 | JademusSreg | Damn. Too late to start on my next texture. |
| 05:47.00 | JademusSreg | It'll be sleep time within an hour. |
| 05:54.11 | megamasher | wish i could sleep |
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| 05:57.01 | JademusSreg | I've got plenty of textures to make tomorrow, provided my daughter allows me. |
| 05:57.03 | JademusSreg | Later. |
| 06:00.56 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
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| 06:05.25 | megamasher | ty for the help, night |
| 06:06.17 | AlphA_VsT | goodnight |
| 06:07.32 | Dekar | good morning |
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| 06:22.28 | Dekar | good morning |
| 06:25.36 | AlphA_VsT | godnight |
| 06:25.36 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
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| 06:31.02 | griffin_ | yo |
| 06:31.07 | griffin_ | for the love of god i need a savior |
| 06:32.21 | Demalii | everything will be ok |
| 06:32.22 | Demalii | ? |
| 06:32.38 | griffin_ | my map is done! if u guys want to look at it, its just a lobby problem ! >< |
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| 06:33.03 | Demalii | i'll check it out |
| 06:33.26 | Demalii | invite me demalii.104 ok? |
| 06:33.33 | griffin_ | k sec |
| 06:33.34 | griffin_ | ty ty |
| 06:33.43 | griffin_ | are u good at the editor? |
| 06:33.48 | griffin_ | its a SMALL ass thing then its DONE! |
| 06:33.54 | griffin_ | never had this before on any map |
| 06:34.25 | Demalii | uhh im decent |
| 06:36.05 | griffin_ | k i invited |
| 06:36.10 | griffin_ | thx demalii i love u |
| 06:36.20 | griffin_ | u be my jesus and ill be ur mary |
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| 06:42.20 | Dekar | lol |
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| 07:02.20 | DarkRevenant | so what gives |
| 07:02.29 | DarkRevenant | anyone else have banks that |
| 07:02.35 | DarkRevenant | do weird shit like this? |
| 07:02.56 | DarkRevenant | So I save the bank for Player 1 |
| 07:03.08 | DarkRevenant | then I check if player 2 has key A in section B of bank C |
| 07:03.14 | DarkRevenant | player 2 has no bank |
| 07:03.18 | DarkRevenant | the check returns TRUE. |
| 07:03.30 | DarkRevenant | validity check returns TRUE, key-exists check returns TRUE |
| 07:03.36 | DarkRevenant | WHAT |
| 07:03.38 | DarkRevenant | THE |
| 07:03.40 | DarkRevenant | FUCK |
| 07:04.38 | DarkRevenant | and no, the size limit is not reached |
| 07:04.42 | DarkRevenant | my banks are 1.5KB |
| 07:14.14 | MrOp | sup DR |
| 07:14.49 | MrOp | i think you have to many ponies on your map... |
| 07:15.59 | DarkRevenant | ... |
| 07:16.12 | MrOp | well why else would your bank be broken |
| 07:16.18 | MrOp | clearly it is the ponies |
| 07:16.20 | MrOp | duh |
| 07:16.21 | MrOp | XD |
| 07:28.57 | Dekar | yeah |
| 07:28.59 | Dekar | definitly |
| 07:29.09 | Dekar | its a well known bug that ponies break the banks |
| 07:30.10 | DarkRevenant | yeah well |
| 07:30.15 | DarkRevenant | i've gone through physical pain |
| 07:30.18 | DarkRevenant | because of this problem |
| 07:34.36 | Dekar | ._. |
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| 07:43.22 | Xapti | how do you make repair free? |
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| 07:46.28 | Xapti | oh there i found it |
| 07:47.17 | Xapti | man the weirdest or most annoying or confusing thnig about the editor is all the different types of elements, which each have their on different types of attributes |
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| 07:55.31 | griffin_ | i fixed my lobby problem! |
| 07:55.38 | Demalii | uhh i forgot, how to deal with a unit's tippability? |
| 07:55.54 | Demalii | is that even a word |
| 07:55.56 | griffin_ | does anyone know how to make a melee map, but like metal obs by slime, that allows the obs to play king of the hill stlye |
| 08:00.45 | Dekar | whaaaat? |
| 08:00.59 | Dekar | metal obs by slime? |
| 08:01.23 | Dekar | slaps griffin_ around a bit with a large trout |
| 08:04.36 | griffin_ | yo sup |
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| 08:12.18 | griffin_ | does any1 know how to make a map that is melee have obs king of the hill like icjug |
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| 08:17.44 | blub_ | "obs" |
| 08:17.46 | blub_ | ervers |
| 08:17.49 | blub_ | observers can't play |
| 08:17.50 | blub_ | xD |
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| 08:19.13 | blub_ | could it be that mafia's losing on popularity? |
| 08:19.54 | blub_ | or the new catch'n'run version is winning some |
| 08:25.07 | Demalii | anyone know if there's a way to have default camera to zoom out at like 50 or w/e and still have the sound.. like the sound can be detached from the camera zoom? |
| 08:27.29 | blub_ | Demalii: if you didn't find anything in the UI's function list when searching for sound |
| 08:27.33 | blub_ | then I doubt it's possible |
| 08:27.36 | blub_ | it sounds quite specific |
| 08:28.09 | Demalii | right on |
| 08:32.21 | Dekar | soon can be adjusted |
| 08:32.28 | Dekar | its the |
| 08:32.31 | Dekar | data editor |
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| 08:32.43 | Dekar | game ui data |
| 08:32.52 | Dekar | default sc2 ui settings |
| 08:33.17 | Dekar | sound - sound data + |
| 08:33.25 | Dekar | if you have combine structs on |
| 08:33.48 | Dekar | and the at the bottom, volume rolloff distance |
| 08:34.10 | Dekar | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:34.20 | Dekar | its usually 30 |
| 08:34.23 | Dekar | for a lot of things |
| 08:34.45 | Dekar | other things like alerts are on 1000 so you always can hear them |
| 08:36.04 | Dekar | you probably want to change the lower values around 30 to something around 60 |
| 08:36.14 | Dekar | depends on your camera |
| 08:36.21 | Dekar | slaps Demalii around a bit with a large trout |
| 08:36.28 | Kueken | thanks dekar |
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| 08:36.42 | Kueken | was searching for this a while as well :) |
| 08:36.46 | Dekar | :) |
| 08:37.22 | Dekar | if that makes you want to name a hero after me, dont hold back! |
| 08:37.33 | Dekar | xD |
| 08:37.52 | Kueken | :D |
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| 08:39.37 | Dekar | if you need hero ideas i can help |
| 08:39.45 | Dekar | :> |
| 08:39.48 | Kueken | :) |
| 08:40.42 | Demalii | soon? |
| 08:40.50 | Dekar | i created some heroes for http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/maps-564/rise-winterchill-0-59s-81952/ |
| 08:41.07 | Dekar | so im qualified for this job D: |
| 08:42.00 | Demalii | dekar thanks, and what about slowing the walking animation for units, in actor i've changed the walk animation speed from .5 to.. 10 |
| 08:42.05 | Demalii | and seems there;s no difference? |
| 08:42.11 | Dekar | no idea |
| 08:42.15 | Demalii | word ok man |
| 08:42.32 | Dekar | actors are not my speciality |
| 08:42.36 | Kueken | the walk animation speed seems to work for me |
| 08:44.03 | Xapti | thing is those sounds are per unit right? |
| 08:44.37 | Dekar | i think if you enter a bit more than the distance field of your camera you should be fine |
| 08:44.37 | Demalii | it does this?.. a walking robot, with a unit speed of 10 |
| 08:44.42 | Xapti | problem is different people could potentially be at different zoom levels, making some people hear things too loud or far too far awy |
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| 08:45.01 | Demalii | if i slow the animation to like1, shouldn't it make the robot look to run slowler, not super faster? |
| 08:45.09 | Demalii | move more life like anyways |
| 08:45.15 | Demalii | at a higher speed |
| 08:45.19 | Demalii | ? |
| 08:45.38 | Demalii | i wanted to make a default sound volume no matter what zoom level basically |
| 08:45.50 | Demalii | i think dekar has the idea though? |
| 08:45.51 | Dekar | you can add more rolloff points as it seems |
| 08:46.33 | Kueken | xapti: the sounds are local anyway, so every player should hear them correctly |
| 08:46.50 | Demalii | how many of these rolloff points? |
| 08:47.05 | Dekar | what exactly do you want to do? |
| 08:47.12 | Demalii | ok so |
| 08:47.12 | Dekar | the normal is |
| 08:47.16 | Dekar | like |
| 08:47.26 | Demalii | let's say default camera zoom is 70 on my map |
| 08:47.38 | Demalii | you only hear "cockpit" noises |
| 08:47.42 | Demalii | when you click and shiz |
| 08:47.49 | Demalii | not the explosions, and game noises |
| 08:47.55 | Demalii | because you're so zoomed out |
| 08:48.03 | Demalii | i still want the sounds.. |
| 08:48.32 | Kueken | the thing dekar suggested does exactly this |
| 08:48.36 | Dekar | combat sound: 10 distance: 0, 30 distance: -96 |
| 08:48.46 | Kueken | I just tested it, works fine |
| 08:48.47 | Dekar | so after 30 distance you dont hear anything |
| 08:48.54 | Kueken | i set it to 70 |
| 08:49.01 | Demalii | make units attack |
| 08:49.05 | Demalii | you don't hear the noises |
| 08:49.10 | Kueken | I hear them |
| 08:49.10 | Demalii | just your unit commands |
| 08:49.13 | Dekar | yes |
| 08:49.29 | Kueken | you need to change all the values |
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| 08:49.36 | Kueken | not just for master sounds |
| 08:50.02 | Xapti | Do I need to do something special to make Xel'naga towers work like they do in melee games? |
| 08:50.10 | Kueken | the volume decreases, the further you zoom out, though |
| 08:50.16 | Demalii | yes |
| 08:50.17 | Dekar | no, just place them |
| 08:50.22 | Demalii | eventually there is no volume |
| 08:50.28 | Demalii | how do you change that |
| 08:50.32 | Dekar | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:50.40 | Dekar | at 30 distance and further there is no sound |
| 08:50.41 | Demalii | in ui? |
| 08:50.44 | Xapti | hmm well why doesn't these towers work then, I wonder |
| 08:50.48 | Kueken | if you zoom out like 1000, you probably won't hear a thing |
| 08:50.51 | Dekar | so you probably need to change the volume from -96 |
| 08:50.55 | Dekar | to something higher |
| 08:50.57 | Dekar | like -50 |
| 08:51.01 | Kueken | even if the rolloff is big enough |
| 08:51.05 | Demalii | ok lemme check |
| 08:51.16 | Dekar | hmm |
| 08:51.33 | Demalii | sorry, where's this ui tab? |
| 08:51.39 | Kueken | data editor |
| 08:51.46 | Demalii | game ui? |
| 08:51.49 | Dekar | yes |
| 08:51.49 | Kueken | yes |
| 08:51.51 | Demalii | my ba |
| 08:52.34 | Kueken | my default game ui settings thing is called "armor" o_0 |
| 08:52.38 | Demalii | combat sound? |
| 08:53.13 | Kueken | all sounds which have a rolloff point at 30 or sth |
| 08:53.21 | Kueken | change them to what you need |
| 08:53.36 | Demalii | err |
| 08:53.37 | Kueken | 30 is default for most sounds |
| 08:53.40 | Demalii | default sc2 right? |
| 08:53.49 | Demalii | i don't see combat sound ? |
| 08:53.50 | Dekar | the blue one, yes |
| 08:53.54 | Kueken | no idea, for me it is called "armor" ^^ |
| 08:54.12 | Kueken | sound - sound data + |
| 08:54.53 | Dekar | are there build in portals in sc2? |
| 08:55.00 | Dekar | "waygates" |
| 08:55.08 | Kueken | not that I know |
| 08:55.47 | Kueken | meh :/ german english :D |
| 08:56.37 | Demalii | so i changed the combat, the -96 to -25, and still i can't hear anything |
| 08:56.47 | Demalii | when zoomed out eh |
| 08:57.00 | Demalii | just them talking |
| 08:57.01 | Dekar | you need to change the 30 too |
| 08:57.06 | Dekar | the distance |
| 08:57.35 | Dekar | you actually need to change only the distance |
| 08:58.01 | Dekar | unless |
| 08:58.12 | Demalii | where is distance? in the sound+? |
| 08:58.15 | Dekar | you want something special |
| 08:58.23 | Dekar | its right next to the volume |
| 08:58.39 | Dekar | the volume rolloff points - distance |
| 08:59.01 | Dekar | in sound data |
| 08:59.11 | Demalii | ohh shit |
| 08:59.14 | Demalii | i was nvm ok |
| 08:59.37 | Dekar | get the distance field from your custom camera |
| 08:59.53 | Demalii | nice |
| 08:59.54 | Dekar | that should be a good value to enter |
| 08:59.57 | Demalii | i just set it to 100 |
| 09:00.03 | Demalii | and left at -96 |
| 09:00.18 | Demalii | that's just how i want it, for now anyways |
| 09:00.20 | Dekar | if you set it too high you can hear sounds which are farther away |
| 09:00.25 | Dekar | but you may want that |
| 09:00.28 | Demalii | ohh word |
| 09:00.31 | Demalii | well |
| 09:00.41 | Demalii | i need to keep synced to camera zoom eh? |
| 09:00.56 | Kueken | not absolutely |
| 09:01.02 | Kueken | but it kinda makes sense |
| 09:01.06 | Demalii | yea it does |
| 09:01.19 | Demalii | ok well thanks a lot for the help guys |
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| 09:01.58 | Demalii | ohh |
| 09:02.01 | Demalii | so help me with this |
| 09:02.11 | Demalii | my understanding of walk ani? |
| 09:02.25 | Demalii | my odin, is bigger scaled, and slower than default unit speed |
| 09:02.42 | Demalii | the animation, his feet slide backwards while walking, like animation is too quick |
| 09:03.09 | Demalii | and needs to slow down just a bit to sync with the increased model scale |
| 09:03.13 | Demalii | and the speed |
| 09:06.51 | Xapti | anyone know why someone would put this in their map at initialization: Player - Make player 0 and player 1 treat each other as Neutral |
| 09:07.01 | Xapti | as well as for player 2 |
| 09:07.09 | Dekar | just to be sure? :p |
| 09:07.20 | Dekar | is this the first action? |
| 09:07.41 | Dekar | wtf |
| 09:07.49 | Dekar | i placed 2 beacons |
| 09:07.54 | Dekar | circle region over them |
| 09:08.02 | Dekar | 2 points as exit points next to the region |
| 09:08.09 | Dekar | to make a 2way teleporter |
| 09:08.19 | Dekar | but ingame its kinda |
| 09:08.21 | Dekar | broken |
| 09:08.25 | Dekar | something is off |
| 09:08.29 | Dekar | the beacon probably |
| 09:08.44 | Dekar | like 1 unit off |
| 09:08.47 | Dekar | entering and exiting |
| 09:08.54 | Dekar | ooh |
| 09:08.56 | Dekar | yeah |
| 09:09.00 | Dekar | i guess they get teleported too |
| 09:09.07 | Kueken | :D |
| 09:09.08 | Dekar | -_- |
| 09:11.50 | Dekar | how i rotate actors to make an arrow poiting up instead of down? |
| 09:11.58 | Dekar | or models |
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| 09:12.45 | blub_ | you cannot rotate around anything but z |
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| 09:17.46 | Dekar | ooh |
| 09:18.10 | Dekar | genericUnitMinimal actors :o |
| 09:18.18 | Dekar | that sounds interesting |
| 09:19.13 | Dekar | and i already wondered why they made beacons a unit |
| 09:19.32 | Dekar | oh they are |
| 09:19.36 | Dekar | with their own unit entry |
| 09:19.37 | Dekar | hmm |
| 09:19.45 | Xapti | is it easy to make a command card page not revert to the main/first page every time you use an ability on another page? |
| 09:20.12 | Xapti | Or even possible? I assume it's possible |
| 09:20.33 | Dekar | i bet you could trigger it |
| 09:20.48 | Xapti | talking to me? |
| 09:21.53 | Dekar | yes |
| 09:22.10 | Dekar | or |
| 09:22.15 | Xapti | I don't know about that, triggers are pretty iffy for giving orders |
| 09:22.26 | Dekar | im not sure if submenu has a order |
| 09:22.37 | Dekar | hmm |
| 09:22.57 | Xapti | for instance, you can't use a trigger to issue a "half-order", by that I mean issue the command, but not issue the target, when the ability needs a target to execute |
| 09:23.13 | Dekar | there |
| 09:23.15 | Dekar | is a checkbox |
| 09:23.18 | Dekar | to leave it open |
| 09:23.19 | Dekar | lol |
| 09:23.33 | Kueken | its new :) |
| 09:23.33 | Dekar | at the command card stuff |
| 09:23.38 | Xapti | oh cool thanks. I never really dealt with pages much |
| 09:23.40 | Kueken | since 1.3, I think |
| 09:23.46 | Xapti | oh cool |
| 09:23.59 | Kueken | before it was possible as well, but only with raw data editing |
| 09:24.42 | Xapti | what's full validation do? |
| 09:24.43 | Demalii | kueken |
| 09:24.49 | Demalii | how do i slow the walk animation? |
| 09:24.56 | Demalii | 5000 didn't do anything |
| 09:24.58 | Demalii | 0 didn't either? |
| 09:25.00 | Xapti | scale factor |
| 09:25.13 | Kueken | for me it worked |
| 09:25.13 | Xapti | time scale orwhatever |
| 09:25.17 | Kueken | I used 3.5 |
| 09:25.40 | Demalii | scale factor 3.5 ? |
| 09:25.41 | Xapti | you know what the check box sub-menu full validation does, kueken? |
| 09:26.19 | Kueken | no, animation movement scale or w/e its called |
| 09:26.23 | Kueken | no |
| 09:26.25 | Xapti | oh it says if you hover over it. I don't completely understand it, but doesn't sound important |
| 09:26.28 | Kueken | i just tested it |
| 09:26.58 | Demalii | auto scale factor and there's walk animation movement speed |
| 09:27.03 | Kueken | and it totally screwed up my hero skill learning |
| 09:27.46 | Kueken | when checking full validation it shows 6 skill points from the start |
| 09:27.51 | Kueken | but I only have 1 |
| 09:28.00 | Kueken | and it still shows 6 after spending it |
| 09:28.59 | Kueken | and I cannot spend another one |
| 09:32.05 | Kueken | demalii: if you want the unit to make slower steps, you need a higher walk animation movement speed |
| 09:32.21 | Demalii | dude i tried 50,000 |
| 09:32.25 | Demalii | and it doesn't seem to effect it.. |
| 09:32.41 | Kueken | maybe when its too high, it will fallback to default |
| 09:32.44 | Kueken | try 5 |
| 09:32.47 | Kueken | or something |
| 09:33.04 | Kueken | I use a thor with decreased scale |
| 09:33.09 | Kueken | default is 1.8 |
| 09:33.18 | Kueken | he mae very small steps |
| 09:33.23 | Kueken | so I changed to 3.5 |
| 09:33.27 | Kueken | and it looks fine |
| 09:33.48 | Demalii | doesn't seem to work =/ |
| 09:34.08 | Demalii | ok do this, take a thor or odin, make model size like + 40$ |
| 09:34.10 | Demalii | 40% |
| 09:34.16 | Demalii | then try |
| 09:36.00 | Kueken | works 100% |
| 09:36.17 | Kueken | I used the standard model and changed the actor scale, though |
| 09:36.44 | Demalii | walk animation movement speed |
| 09:36.49 | Demalii | that is what you're changing right? |
| 09:36.52 | Kueken | exactly |
| 09:37.00 | Demalii | and if you make a unit speed .5 |
| 09:37.10 | Demalii | you can make it match up the footsteps? |
| 09:37.14 | Demalii | or unit speed 1 |
| 09:37.22 | Demalii | try unit speed 1 |
| 09:37.28 | Demalii | or even 1.2 |
| 09:37.40 | Demalii | so you can really see |
| 09:39.56 | Kueken | for walk anim speed = 3 it matches quite nicely already |
| 09:40.04 | Kueken | just a little sliding remaining |
| 09:40.09 | Demalii | change it to 50 |
| 09:40.12 | Demalii | or 100 |
| 09:40.13 | Demalii | or 10 |
| 09:40.14 | Demalii | or 5 |
| 09:40.16 | Demalii | or 0 |
| 09:40.24 | Kueken | it changes |
| 09:40.32 | Kueken | I am adjusting it all the time already |
| 09:40.53 | Demalii | so you're saying you can make him unit speed 1, and the animation super fast, or super slow? |
| 09:42.15 | Kueken | on 0.1 he walks like he has serious spasms :D |
| 09:42.20 | Kueken | very fast |
| 09:42.41 | Demalii | i put to 99999 |
| 09:42.46 | Demalii | and it doesn't change wtf |
| 09:42.49 | Kueken | on 10 he barely moves |
| 09:43.25 | Demalii | ok |
| 09:43.31 | Demalii | you used actor art scale right? |
| 09:43.44 | Kueken | yes |
| 09:43.48 | Demalii | lemme try that |
| 09:43.51 | Demalii | it must be linked |
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| 09:46.36 | Demalii | thanks for that.. |
| 09:46.40 | Demalii | it was the mover |
| 09:46.47 | Demalii | hmm |
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| 09:59.47 | Demalii | I was using the fly or flylow mover so the unit moves with a wide arc |
| 09:59.59 | Demalii | but can't change movement speed unless ground mover apparently |
| 10:01.26 | Demalii | wide turns that is |
| 10:05.24 | Demalii | not possible to duplicate the actual flying pathing to edit it eh |
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| 10:22.57 | burne- | TOFU |
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| 10:45.09 | Xapti | I seem to have a problem where shared unit control doesn't trigger xelnaga? |
| 10:46.24 | Xapti | doesn't make sense to me |
| 10:48.42 | Xapti | I guess cause the players were neutral, which is still rather weird |
| 10:52.00 | Nash|327 | trigger xel'naga? |
| 11:20.14 | burne- | http://media.riemurasia.net/albumit/mmedia/lp/8kv/hggt/3175/809541256.jpg |
| 11:20.25 | burne- | this is exactly how i feel this week |
| 11:20.28 | burne- | everything just goes wrong |
| 11:21.42 | Dekar | :o |
| 11:26.14 | Dekar | you have to fight it! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Vo6hTc5on0 |
| 11:26.36 | Dekar | the evil mood |
| 11:26.39 | Dekar | and bad luck |
| 11:26.41 | Dekar | >_> |
| 11:26.42 | Dekar | <_< |
| 11:29.15 | burne- | Dekar: :D |
| 11:29.19 | burne- | that sure helps :D |
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| 11:32.48 | Mephs | maybe its just me but this looks really underwhelming |
| 11:33.31 | burne- | I wouldnt say underwhelming. It might be that the presentation was jsut bad, the video didnt show too much |
| 11:33.44 | Mephs | yeah the video was awful |
| 11:34.12 | Mephs | it looks slow paced though, idk i can't say much till i give it a go |
| 11:34.13 | burne- | Im sure it cant be totally horible with 9 months of work |
| 11:34.21 | Mephs | you'd...be surprised |
| 11:34.27 | Dekar | we talk aobut tofu, right? |
| 11:34.28 | burne- | even tought I doubt we will see something super awesome |
| 11:34.30 | Mephs | APB took 5 years and it was horrible. |
| 11:34.31 | Dekar | D: |
| 11:34.41 | Dekar | i think the terrain looks terrible |
| 11:34.52 | burne- | but they are so confidend about it :E |
| 11:34.55 | Mephs | to be fair, smash terrain is bad too :p but i'm not a terrainer |
| 11:35.06 | burne- | I think smash terrain is great/fine |
| 11:35.16 | Dekar | its super functional |
| 11:35.21 | Dekar | for tofu |
| 11:35.22 | Dekar | atm |
| 11:35.26 | Mephs | it looks like too much going on |
| 11:35.27 | Mephs | tbqh |
| 11:35.38 | Mephs | like really claustrophobic maps |
| 11:35.38 | burne- | but not much to say indeed before we can play it |
| 11:35.39 | Dekar | they should have shown gameplay from more than 1 heroes view |
| 11:35.44 | Mephs | too many portals/beacons |
| 11:35.48 | Dekar | yeah |
| 11:35.54 | burne- | Dekar: agreed |
| 11:35.56 | Mephs | i can't tell if the abilities are very inspired or not |
| 11:36.09 | Mephs | i mean the zeratul guy vs. reaper 1v1 fight |
| 11:36.10 | Mephs | was... |
| 11:36.17 | Mephs | that looked really boring |
| 11:36.26 | burne- | but you know if its easier than smascraft it might get popular |
| 11:36.31 | Mephs | yeah |
| 11:36.33 | Dekar | most of the video is tauren marine with his lightnigns cast at nearest target skill lol |
| 11:36.40 | burne- | like angel arenas were simple and fairly popular in wc3 |
| 11:36.46 | Mephs | there hasn't been a lot with smashcraft going on lately, mainly because i'm doing a major revamp patch in early may |
| 11:37.07 | Mephs | that should take care of the ease, i mean smash is by far one of the easiest games on the list |
| 11:37.09 | burne- | last time I played smash omnis S skill didnt work (on eu) |
| 11:37.21 | Mephs | yeah i haven't been able to find frunck |
| 11:37.29 | Mephs | so i'm saving a fix for the 2.0 |
| 11:37.38 | Mephs | or well, its been fixed for a long time just no one to upload |
| 11:38.01 | Mephs | the big downfall for smash in "ease" is the fact that newbs have no time to learn anything |
| 11:38.14 | Mephs | so i'm fixing that with a warm-up mode that pre-empts all unranked games |
| 11:38.23 | Dekar | "impressed?" no! |
| 11:38.39 | Mephs | and several other visual things |
| 11:38.50 | Mephs | like the hit-scan lines are visible now, you can see where your previously invisible shots are going |
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| 11:40.14 | Dekar | @Mephs11 |
| 11:40.14 | Dekar | Jelly bb? :) |
| 11:40.14 | Dekar | tofuarena vor 1 Minute |
| 11:40.41 | burne- | dont anyone else find the tofu name a bit weird? |
| 11:40.45 | burne- | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:40.50 | burne- | :/ |
| 11:40.51 | Dekar | i would have called it steak |
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| 11:40.59 | Mephs | i'm just not feelin it. |
| 11:41.42 | burne- | I was amazed by some random fanboy btw |
| 11:41.46 | burne- | in tofu thread |
| 11:41.52 | burne- | someone was like OMG THIS IS SOOOO AWESOME |
| 11:42.01 | burne- | Im lke "uhh...what is?" :D |
| 11:42.26 | Mephs | i've shown it to most of the smash playerbase just to get their opinions, and may just be bias, but i can't find one person who disagrees with me |
| 11:42.43 | Mephs | idk, like i said i haven't even played it yet so its too soon to assume |
| 11:42.47 | burne- | opinion on what? |
| 11:43.01 | burne- | on tofu? |
| 11:43.09 | Mephs | It looks, to me, and I even predicted this to be the case |
| 11:43.14 | Mephs | it was going to be too much, not enough |
| 11:43.47 | Mephs | too much to do, not enough focus on making one of those many things stand out |
| 11:44.45 | Mephs | it almost feels |
| 11:45.01 | Mephs | like they focused more on hype than the game itself. even the video expresses that |
| 11:45.19 | Mephs | we spent 9 months on this, hey, look, 9 months, look how LONG IT TOOK, look how long we've been hyping it |
| 11:45.33 | Dekar | seriously |
| 11:45.42 | Dekar | this doesnt look like 9 months of work |
| 11:45.51 | Mephs | the important part is if it plays like 9 months of work |
| 11:46.28 | Dekar | so what are the symbols for? |
| 11:46.38 | Dekar | agi str int classes? |
| 11:46.39 | Dekar | :/ |
| 11:46.48 | Mephs | the guardian > assault > psion relationship |
| 11:46.52 | burne- | I kinda like their hype tought no matter how the map turns out |
| 11:46.53 | Mephs | str agi int yea |
| 11:46.54 | Dekar | genius |
| 11:47.25 | Dekar | couldnt they have found something better to hype than rock paper scissor? |
| 11:47.28 | burne- | I couldnt do that ever I guess |
| 11:47.36 | Mephs | yeah but you want that hype to be exciting |
| 11:47.37 | burne- | i always make updates on slightest changes |
| 11:47.40 | burne- | -_- |
| 11:47.41 | Mephs | the hype itself wasn't even great |
| 11:47.49 | Mephs | yah same |
| 11:47.57 | Mephs | hell i've been doing random public testing of 2.0 smash for weeks now |
| 11:48.03 | Dekar | i have no map to change yet |
| 11:48.06 | Mephs | that's hyping it up more than any forum hints i could give |
| 11:48.07 | Dekar | :/ |
| 11:48.11 | Dekar | btw guys |
| 11:48.13 | Dekar | answer me |
| 11:48.16 | Mephs | cuz now people |
| 11:48.19 | Mephs | who quit playing months ago |
| 11:48.20 | Dekar | how do you test anew versio? |
| 11:48.24 | Mephs | are back asking me every day where 2.0 is coming |
| 11:48.25 | Dekar | do you upload it under a different name? |
| 11:48.39 | Mephs | and the new hero concepts |
| 11:48.45 | Dekar | or can you upload it private and the last public will still be availible? |
| 11:48.53 | Mephs | i posted like 12 new char ideas on the forums, and ppl just want me to quit working on 2.0 to release them |
| 11:49.11 | Mephs | the 2.0 revamp has been at least a month+ in the works |
| 11:49.23 | Mephs | i can't do the hype thing though |
| 11:49.33 | Mephs | like everytime i add something new in i just go online and pick up random ppl to test lol |
| 11:49.38 | Mephs | so nothing's really that mysterious |
| 11:49.50 | Dekar | do you upload it under a different name to test? >_> |
| 11:49.52 | Mephs | i'd rather knwo that people like the changes i'm making rather than do them all at once and have everyone be disappointed |
| 11:49.53 | Mephs | yeah |
| 11:49.57 | Mephs | and in private/locked mode |
| 11:49.58 | Dekar | ok |
| 11:50.14 | Mephs | and the best part about live testing as you work |
| 11:50.18 | Mephs | is that you get feedback |
| 11:50.26 | Mephs | so you know what else you could add to make that better |
| 11:50.55 | Mephs | like the last thing I got feedback on was the hit-detection stuff I've added in. Visual/audible indicators. Some people love it, some think its annoying, so now I know I need to add an options menu so people can enable or disable them |
| 11:50.56 | Mephs | things like that |
| 11:52.34 | Mephs | The changelog so far is already 2.5 pages long and I'm barely 50% done <_> anyway this shit better be on the list tomorrow so I can make an educated opinion |
| 11:56.06 | Dekar | yeah |
| 11:56.19 | Dekar | i want to know how much skill the skills require |
| 11:56.36 | Dekar | if its just click a unit or more targeting involved |
| 11:56.45 | Mephs | probably |
| 11:56.56 | Mephs | i didn't see anything that resembled a skill shot in the video |
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| 11:57.18 | Mephs | but a lot of ppl love that |
| 11:58.01 | Dekar | i saw some range indicators |
| 11:58.11 | Dekar | and probably a lot of instant abilities |
| 11:58.49 | blub_ | what're we talking about? :) |
| 12:02.03 | Dekar | tofu |
| 12:02.33 | Dekar | http://www.sc2mapster.com/ |
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| 12:20.23 | Dogmai | mephs, you just jelly :) |
| 12:20.43 | Mephs | I wish, honestly |
| 12:21.01 | Mephs | the UI does look spectacular though |
| 12:21.06 | Dogmai | It's a fun map mate, you can come along to one of the tests. |
| 12:21.09 | blub_ | anyone want a complete ctags file for the full triggerlibs? (list of all functions, not just UI functions, of core/liberty/native/... |
| 12:21.13 | Mephs | toss me an inv if you do |
| 12:21.53 | Dogmai | I doubt any maps could live up to the hype that was generated, but I think Tofu is pretty darn close. |
| 12:22.12 | Dekar | whats a ctags file? |
| 12:22.21 | Mephs | why call it tofu though |
| 12:22.43 | Dogmai | That is it's original name from 2004. |
| 12:22.56 | Dekar | that doesnt make it better D: |
| 12:22.59 | Mephs | :| |
| 12:23.03 | Dogmai | Guess where Icefrog stole couriers from -_- |
| 12:23.12 | Mephs | Guinsoo? :p |
| 12:23.14 | Dogmai | Guess who was a beta tester for tofu in 2004 ^--- |
| 12:23.24 | Dogmai | He took it from tofu -_- |
| 12:23.29 | Mephs | oh. |
| 12:23.31 | Dekar | sue him! |
| 12:23.34 | Mephs | yah |
| 12:23.34 | Dogmai | it has a lot of history |
| 12:23.39 | Dogmai | ill write about it one day |
| 12:23.40 | Mephs | you own the rights to dota |
| 12:23.43 | Mephs | now |
| 12:23.44 | Dekar | oh god |
| 12:23.47 | Dogmai | haha, lawl |
| 12:23.51 | Dogmai | no one does |
| 12:23.52 | Dogmai | not even icefrog |
| 12:23.53 | Mephs | =p |
| 12:24.05 | Dogmai | i wrote an article about the legal aspects of dota |
| 12:24.06 | Dekar | icefrog truth #2? http://icefrogtruth.blogspot.com/ |
| 12:24.08 | Dogmai | its really good |
| 12:24.26 | Mephs | 2nd question |
| 12:24.28 | Mephs | why sandstorm |
| 12:24.48 | Mephs | i mean there's a billion good electronic tracks you could've picked |
| 12:24.51 | Mephs | why |
| 12:24.51 | Mephs | fucking |
| 12:24.51 | Mephs | sandstorm |
| 12:25.07 | Mephs | i mean ok, i get it, 2004 |
| 12:25.11 | Mephs | but this is 2011. |
| 12:25.15 | Dogmai | the icefrog truth blog is nothing compared to what i know |
| 12:25.19 | Dogmai | lol |
| 12:25.26 | Dogmai | it seemed to fit the scifi theme |
| 12:25.29 | Mephs | -_- |
| 12:25.32 | Dogmai | pick me a better song |
| 12:25.34 | Dogmai | and ill do another |
| 12:26.16 | Mephs | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0odBpvBAYM |
| 12:26.23 | Mephs | just about anything by prodigy for that matter |
| 12:26.52 | Mephs | like dont get me wrong |
| 12:26.55 | Mephs | sandstorm was a great track |
| 12:27.04 | Dekar | prodigy is used too much already |
| 12:27.04 | Mephs | EIGHT YEARS AGO |
| 12:27.22 | Mephs | k sec |
| 12:27.32 | Mephs | pendulum is too, i know. |
| 12:27.42 | Mephs | fuck |
| 12:27.44 | burne- | lol still continuing about that |
| 12:27.44 | Dekar | xD |
| 12:27.47 | Mephs | i'd rather you used lady gaga |
| 12:28.32 | Mephs | i dont think any kind of dubstep fits it |
| 12:30.05 | Mephs | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdJgwf-_HGY&feature=relmfu |
| 12:31.37 | Mephs | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sx8eituJLYc |
| 12:32.05 | Mephs | gah i'm too tired to dig into my laptop of music |
| 12:32.28 | Dekar | its too late anyway :p |
| 12:33.34 | Dogmai | well |
| 12:33.42 | Dogmai | i originally wanted to use requiem for a dream |
| 12:33.48 | Dogmai | talk about overused though |
| 12:33.52 | burne- | I think we can all can agree it was horrible choise of music |
| 12:33.52 | Mephs | hrm |
| 12:33.56 | Mephs | that's too dramatic |
| 12:34.38 | Mephs | yea prodigy is overused but if i were to make another promo vid for smashcraft i'd probably use something along those lines |
| 12:35.00 | Dekar | i would throw some metal at my videos D: |
| 12:35.11 | Mephs | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JV5Gm7ldK8 |
| 12:35.36 | Dogmai | it was dry's idea for it |
| 12:35.40 | Dogmai | i actually like the track |
| 12:35.52 | Mephs | that and also focus on gameplay features |
| 12:35.54 | Mephs | not how long it took |
| 12:36.01 | Dogmai | its not the last video |
| 12:36.02 | Mephs | like i get the hype strategy |
| 12:36.02 | Dogmai | -_- |
| 12:36.05 | Mephs | but |
| 12:36.12 | Mephs | i think we get that it took a while |
| 12:36.14 | Dekar | and dont show the tauren marine for 80% of the video |
| 12:36.20 | Mephs | and we want to see why this is worth waiting so long |
| 12:36.32 | Mephs | the worst part of the video |
| 12:36.36 | Mephs | was the zertaul vs. reaper 1v1 |
| 12:36.41 | Mephs | which looked super boring |
| 12:36.46 | Mephs | followed by "impressed?" |
| 12:36.49 | Mephs | i lol'd |
| 12:36.49 | Dekar | xD |
| 12:36.51 | burne- | YEA |
| 12:36.54 | burne- | ME TOO :D |
| 12:36.59 | Dekar | me 3 |
| 12:40.53 | Dekar | did you watch the video too much? |
| 12:41.04 | Dekar | :o |
| 12:42.09 | Dekar | im staaarving |
| 12:42.14 | Dekar | im too lazy to buy something |
| 12:42.22 | Dekar | what shall i do? |
| 12:42.34 | burne- | answer my question |
| 12:42.44 | Dekar | what question? |
| 12:42.47 | burne- | why does my yamato cannon missile have weird glow around it? |
| 12:42.49 | burne- | its really big |
| 12:42.56 | Dekar | your bloom is too high? |
| 12:42.59 | Dekar | or emission |
| 12:43.01 | Dekar | @ light |
| 12:43.05 | burne- | but I havent done anything |
| 12:43.08 | burne- | how cant that be |
| 12:43.09 | burne- | :( |
| 12:43.33 | Dekar | hmm |
| 12:43.45 | Dekar | no idea :D |
| 12:43.58 | burne- | really weird stuff |
| 12:44.11 | Dekar | was it ok before? |
| 12:44.20 | burne- | no i just made it |
| 12:44.26 | burne- | so it has been like this since then |
| 12:44.26 | Dekar | wrong model maybe? |
| 12:44.27 | burne- | :/ |
| 12:44.37 | burne- | I guess ill double check it |
| 12:45.01 | burne- | its right model and right animation |
| 12:45.13 | Dekar | does the yaamto from the normal BC look the same? |
| 12:45.16 | burne- | i guess i remove some actor events to make sure if something bothers |
| 12:45.19 | burne- | no |
| 12:45.41 | Dekar | maybe you create the model multiple times then indeed |
| 12:50.07 | Dogmai | well |
| 12:50.09 | Dogmai | originally i had ugh |
| 12:50.12 | Dogmai | are you prepared? |
| 12:50.25 | Dogmai | either way its gonna be cheesy |
| 12:50.28 | Dogmai | :P |
| 12:50.39 | burne- | pff cant fix it |
| 12:50.40 | burne- | :( |
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| 12:55.57 | Dekar | :( |
| 12:56.47 | Dekar | omg |
| 12:56.55 | Dekar | Helral is schrödingers cat |
| 12:57.00 | burne- | lol |
| 12:57.07 | Dekar | he is Helral and Helral|Afk at the same time |
| 12:57.21 | Dekar | you dont know if he is afk until you highlight the shit out of him and observe |
| 12:57.22 | Dekar | :D |
| 12:58.11 | burne- | I bet im doing something simple wrong |
| 12:58.15 | burne- | just cant figure it out |
| 12:58.22 | Dekar | i blame actors |
| 12:59.07 | burne- | me2 |
| 12:59.13 | burne- | but need fix |
| 12:59.30 | Dekar | delete, change normal yamato cannon to your needs |
| 12:59.42 | burne- | aww but that would take so much time :( |
| 12:59.46 | Dekar | :( |
| 13:00.24 | Dekar | is there a yamato cannon missile unit? |
| 13:00.36 | burne- | dunno maybe |
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| 13:00.56 | Dekar | yeah |
| 13:00.58 | Dekar | cool stuff! |
| 13:01.10 | Dekar | too bad i cant place it to look at it |
| 13:01.16 | Dekar | oh, the solution to your problem |
| 13:01.23 | Dekar | CREATE FLUFF TO EXPLAIN THE LOOKS |
| 13:01.24 | Dekar | xD |
| 13:01.55 | Dekar | add some description to the skill which sas it looks super glowy because its really hot |
| 13:02.02 | Dekar | all problems solves |
| 13:02.03 | burne- | loool |
| 13:02.04 | Dekar | d |
| 13:02.32 | Dekar | i love creative workarounds |
| 13:05.48 | burne- | meh im lazy |
| 13:05.57 | burne- | ill just copy this stuff from other map |
| 13:05.58 | burne- | -_- |
| 13:06.36 | burne- | or atleast see if there is something different |
| 13:10.42 | burne- | yea so weird |
| 13:10.46 | burne- | iv done same way on other map |
| 13:10.48 | burne- | but looks different |
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| 13:30.06 | srounet | hi |
| 13:30.11 | burne- | ugh |
| 13:30.25 | burne- | I think it might be the terrain that causes the glowness to be extra bright |
| 13:30.31 | burne- | I wonder if there is way to disable it |
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| 13:32.33 | blub_ | what seems to be the problem? |
| 13:33.34 | burne- | yamato cannons "glow" is too wide/bright |
| 13:33.48 | burne- | it looks stupid on sand |
| 13:34.05 | burne- | I guess I could just use another missile if its not going to work |
| 13:35.24 | srounet | Is there any parser that actually extract build order from a sc2replay file? |
| 13:49.56 | JManV|Work | sc2replayed.com |
| 13:50.37 | JManV|Work | its not a stand-alone parser tho |
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| 13:58.49 | Booom3 | How do I remove creep from a region? |
| 14:00.47 | Dekar | you remove the unit that causes it? |
| 14:01.00 | Booom3 | No, a square region |
| 14:01.07 | Booom3 | Or, not round region |
| 14:04.01 | Booom3 | Or am I gonna have to create a bunch of circle regions? |
| 14:06.19 | Dustin|Lappy | Isn't there a trigger to remove creep from a region? |
| 14:07.02 | Booom3 | No |
| 14:07.10 | Booom3 | Only modify creep, which needs a point and radius |
| 14:13.03 | Dustin|Lappy | Then you sir are fucked. |
| 14:25.50 | Dustin|Lappy | I think I'm going to start rewriting my Ruthless map from scratch... |
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| 14:36.24 | JademusSreg | http://www.wearehive.com/?&page_id=prag_index |
| 14:37.14 | JademusSreg | From the depths, I come. |
| 14:37.27 | JademusSreg | (Being a Naga would be fun.) |
| 14:37.35 | Dustin|Lappy | NEvah! |
| 14:37.47 | blub_ | Booom3: look at it this way: |
| 14:37.56 | blub_ | Booom3: the editor contains whatever some sc2 developer once needed |
| 14:38.01 | blub_ | Booom3: and nobody needed that, so it can't do it :P |
| 14:38.14 | blub_ | Booom3: that's the case in quite a lot of functions and triggers |
| 14:38.24 | Booom3 | Why wouldn't you want rectangle patches of creep |
| 14:38.33 | Booom3 | It would look super natural and real |
| 14:38.38 | blub_ | Booom3: do you know any way in the campaign or ladder to do that? |
| 14:38.46 | Booom3 | No |
| 14:38.48 | blub_ | see :P |
| 14:38.49 | Booom3 | That's why I asked |
| 14:38.50 | blub_ | that's why |
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| 14:39.01 | blub_ | which reminds me |
| 14:39.05 | Kueken | just use a rectangle cliff lvl :) |
| 14:39.11 | blub_ | is creep "created" when the creep pathing flag is set? |
| 14:39.16 | blub_ | or is the grahpical part seperate? |
| 14:39.59 | JademusSreg | The former, I believe. |
| 14:40.10 | blub_ | then |
| 14:40.15 | blub_ | Booom3: you could try using PathingModify |
| 14:40.19 | JademusSreg | Also, it must be coupled with the behavior, which regulates its generation. |
| 14:40.33 | JademusSreg | Unless done via script, of course. |
| 14:40.39 | JademusSreg | script/triggers. =D |
| 14:41.03 | Booom3 | Where do I find that |
| 14:41.27 | blub_ | don't know where it's in the UI :P |
| 14:41.35 | blub_ | I looked through my ctags file ^^ |
| 14:41.49 | blub_ | let me check if I can find it in some lib definition |
| 14:42.40 | blub_ | don't find it in the SC2Lib file |
| 14:42.48 | blub_ | you can use a Custom Script though |
| 14:42.52 | blub_ | I'll give you the signature: |
| 14:43.09 | blub_ | native void PathingModify (region inArea, int inType, bool inAdd); |
| 14:43.16 | blub_ | let me find the inType parameter |
| 14:43.25 | Booom3 | I think that's normal or permanent |
| 14:44.11 | JademusSreg | You can't use PathingModify to create creep. |
| 14:44.13 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 14:44.24 | Booom3 | I want to remove it |
| 14:44.36 | JademusSreg | native void CreepModify (point inPos, fixed inRadius, bool inAdd, bool inPermanent); |
| 14:44.44 | JademusSreg | Set inAdd parameter to false. |
| 14:44.44 | Booom3 | In a rectangle region |
| 14:44.49 | blub_ | JademusSreg: well, you said |
| 14:44.57 | blub_ | 16:40 < JademusSreg> The former, I believe. |
| 14:45.03 | blub_ | xD |
| 14:45.19 | JademusSreg | Yes. And I am correct. When it comes to units who use behaviors to generate creep. |
| 14:45.24 | Dustin|Lappy | Why do you need to remove it in a rectangle? |
| 14:45.34 | blub_ | JademusSreg: ok |
| 14:45.37 | Booom3 | Because I got rectangle arenas |
| 14:45.47 | Booom3 | Several of them |
| 14:45.53 | JademusSreg | Boom, approximate it with n iterations of circles for n precision. |
| 14:46.04 | Dustin|Lappy | But what's the function of the creep |
| 14:46.08 | Dustin|Lappy | And why are you removing it |
| 14:46.12 | JademusSreg | A Serpinski Circletangle |
| 14:46.20 | blub_ | Booom3: you'll probably end up looping through the area |
| 14:46.21 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 14:46.41 | Booom3 | Because I want to add zerg |
| 14:46.49 | Booom3 | It's not a hero arena |
| 14:47.05 | blub_ | I think creep cannot exist in "sub-field" space, so your iteration can move by a full unit each step =P |
| 14:47.30 | Dustin|Lappy | I still dont know why you need to remove creep |
| 14:47.45 | Booom3 | Because you can play on an arena again |
| 14:47.53 | JademusSreg | My solution will work. |
| 14:47.54 | blub_ | Dustin|Lappy: it doesn't matter why he wants to remove it |
| 14:48.02 | Dustin|Lappy | Yes it does |
| 14:48.04 | JademusSreg | Dooo eeet. |
| 14:48.05 | Dustin|Lappy | There might be a wrok around |
| 14:48.21 | Dustin|Lappy | If you want them to play on the arena again why dont you just remove all the creep |
| 14:48.26 | JademusSreg | Sure.Creep blockes. |
| 14:48.29 | Dustin|Lappy | Why does it have to be a rectangle |
| 14:48.31 | Booom3 | That's the problem |
| 14:48.36 | Booom3 | Because the arenas are rectangle |
| 14:48.37 | JademusSreg | Arranged in a rectangle. |
| 14:48.49 | Dustin|Lappy | So what if they are rectangle if you're removing all the creep |
| 14:48.55 | JademusSreg | But I like my idea more. =D |
| 14:48.57 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 14:49.02 | Booom3 | You can play on all the arenas at once |
| 14:49.14 | Booom3 | Different players on each |
| 14:50.01 | Dustin|Lappy | And the arenas reset at different times? |
| 14:50.06 | Booom3 | Yes |
| 14:50.32 | Dustin|Lappy | How are they layed out, can you send me a SS of the layout |
| 14:50.57 | Booom3 | I know I could do it with some tricky circle region work |
| 14:50.59 | Booom3 | But I'd rather not |
| 14:51.11 | blub_ | seems like PathingModify can only modify Ground and NoBuild flags |
| 14:51.14 | blub_ | aww |
| 14:51.16 | blub_ | and NoPathing |
| 14:51.20 | JademusSreg | Exactly. |
| 14:51.31 | blub_ | thought it' be a bitmask |
| 14:51.31 | blub_ | :( |
| 14:51.33 | Dustin|Lappy | You're gonna have to use tricky circle region work |
| 14:51.36 | JademusSreg | That's why I said it wouldn't work. |
| 14:51.36 | blub_ | hates this engine |
| 14:51.53 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 14:51.54 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 14:52.00 | Dustin|Lappy | not even tricky |
| 14:52.05 | Dustin|Lappy | just overlap the circles |
| 14:52.30 | blub_ | I thought creep only works by-field anyway so overlapping won't even be required if you do it for 1 field at a time |
| 14:52.31 | Dustin|Lappy | OOOOOOOOOOOOO <-- Like that but overlap a bit and you've got almost a rectangle |
| 14:52.33 | blub_ | no? |
| 14:52.39 | Booom3 | Yeah I know |
| 14:52.56 | Booom3 | But I wanted to know if I could avoid it |
| 14:53.05 | blub_ | ofc if the region is too big then that approach can be problematic |
| 14:53.07 | blub_ | but then again |
| 14:53.16 | blub_ | you can add a Wait call, that might even make for a good "effect" |
| 14:53.29 | blub_ | like, remove one line at a time with 0.1s delay... might even look good |
| 14:53.29 | Booom3 | I was thinking have units that come and "clean up" or something |
| 14:53.37 | blub_ | or that |
| 14:55.22 | srounet | how do you actually extract build order from a sc2replay? |
| 14:55.33 | Dustin|Lappy | The cleaning up unit would be sweet |
| 14:55.44 | Dustin|Lappy | Just make it periodically remove creep around that unit |
| 14:56.02 | Dustin|Lappy | Make it look like it's eating it muahah |
| 14:56.13 | Booom3 | Yeah, a reversed overlord spread effect |
| 14:56.33 | Dustin|Lappy | srounet, what you talking about. |
| 14:57.11 | srounet | dump sc2replay informations ? |
| 14:57.22 | Dustin|Lappy | I havent heard of anyone doing that |
| 14:57.38 | srounet | parse game data from a saved sc2 replay |
| 14:58.03 | srounet | there are library that do that, but i don't find any that parse Build Order. |
| 14:58.34 | Dustin|Lappy | Hmmm, Yeah I cant help, I didnt even know that was possible |
| 14:59.36 | srounet | sc2replayed.com ? |
| 15:00.51 | Booom3 | You can't send records as paremeters? |
| 15:01.35 | Dustin|Lappy | That's cool, never heard of it. |
| 15:01.44 | Dustin|Lappy | Boom3, no |
| 15:01.49 | Booom3 | Why |
| 15:02.00 | Dustin|Lappy | Cause blizzard decided they didnt want us to for some reaason |
| 15:02.07 | Booom3 | That's dumb |
| 15:02.09 | Dustin|Lappy | Very |
| 15:02.23 | JademusSreg | blub, the region would need to be very complex to necessitate a wait. |
| 15:02.28 | JademusSreg | Srsly |
| 15:02.55 | JademusSreg | The op limit for a thread is around a million. |
| 15:03.03 | blub_ | well |
| 15:03.08 | blub_ | maybe |
| 15:03.13 | blub_ | but the functions gotta do stuff too |
| 15:03.16 | JademusSreg | I've tested. |
| 15:03.25 | blub_ | it generates a lot of actions which will be sent over the net as well |
| 15:03.32 | blub_ | if you do that for a 128x128 region |
| 15:03.33 | JademusSreg | Naw. |
| 15:03.36 | blub_ | thtat might be noticable |
| 15:03.44 | blub_ | barely tho |
| 15:04.08 | JademusSreg | The only "lag" it might generate would be from the drawing. |
| 15:04.24 | Dustin|Lappy | I hated OP limits in WC3 |
| 15:04.35 | Dustin|Lappy | Always hit that shit in my Grid map |
| 15:04.51 | JademusSreg | Creating a bunch of crap all at once creates lag in because of drawing graphic shit and pathing calculations. |
| 15:08.43 | Dustin|Lappy | Bah I cant force myself to start transfering my map documentation to Excel |
| 15:08.51 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 15:09.07 | JademusSreg | Helps to start there. =D |
| 15:09.16 | Dustin|Lappy | Serves my right for writing it all down on a notebook |
| 15:09.31 | JademusSreg | I used to do that, too. |
| 15:09.59 | JademusSreg | Now I don't wipe my ass without calculating wpm. |
| 15:10.23 | Dustin|Lappy | I need a tablet so I can have the convience of a notebook and the power of digital documentation :P |
| 15:11.12 | Dustin|Lappy | http://www.motorola.com/Consumers/US-EN/Consumer-Product-and-Services/Tablets/ci.MOTOROLA-XOOM-US-EN.overview |
| 15:11.15 | Dustin|Lappy | I want that bitch |
| 15:11.17 | JademusSreg | Good idea. |
| 15:11.37 | JademusSreg | I'll get a tablet when they become cheap and ubiquitous. |
| 15:11.54 | Dustin|Lappy | Yeah, to expensive right now |
| 15:12.26 | Dustin|Lappy | I could probably replace my laptop with that zoom |
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| 15:50.32 | Dustin|Lappy | the channel has been really quite today |
| 15:50.39 | Dustin|Lappy | quiet* |
| 15:50.43 | JademusSreg | Hi. =D |
| 15:50.48 | Bounty | lol @ all the negativity directed at Project TMA |
| 15:50.50 | Helral | meow |
| 15:50.52 | JademusSreg | I'm just doing my stuff. |
| 15:50.52 | Bounty | Saw it coming |
| 15:50.57 | JademusSreg | What negativity? |
| 15:51.05 | Bounty | Read the comments on the news post |
| 15:51.10 | Bounty | and the forum thread |
| 15:51.32 | JademusSreg | Shucks, I was hoping you'd provide a summary. |
| 15:51.46 | Helral | JademusSreg: gimmy a summary when you read it ;p |
| 15:51.49 | Bounty | I mean, either the video doesnt show enough of what makes it good or its just not that good |
| 15:51.59 | Bounty | Except the UI |
| 15:52.24 | Dustin|Lappy | The Video was to jumpy for me |
| 15:52.30 | Dustin|Lappy | Didnt showcase a whole lot |
| 15:52.30 | Bounty | and there is no way that took 9 months |
| 15:52.39 | Bounty | Idk why people do that lol |
| 15:52.51 | Bounty | Kinda like how Mephs said Smashcraft took like 7 months or something |
| 15:52.54 | Bounty | >< |
| 15:52.54 | Dustin|Lappy | All I saw was flashing |
| 15:53.18 | Bounty | It looks like a nice map |
| 15:53.20 | Bounty | but nothing new |
| 15:53.21 | Dustin|Lappy | I think it'll be cool though |
| 15:53.21 | Helral | warning this video can cause epileptic seizures ??? |
| 15:53.39 | Dustin|Lappy | It was just spell explosions switching realyl fast |
| 15:54.00 | Dustin|Lappy | I cant wait to get my map done cause it's so different then what's out there currently |
| 15:54.13 | Bounty | I think the biggest mistake was hyping as if it was Half Life 3 |
| 15:54.20 | Bounty | all the hidden messages |
| 15:54.20 | Dustin|Lappy | I dont know how the relying on one player is going to work though with the noobs on bnet |
| 15:55.01 | Bounty | Well i hope it is different Dustin and that you're not just saying that |
| 15:55.04 | Bounty | because everyone says that |
| 15:55.06 | Bounty | lol |
| 15:55.47 | Dustin|Lappy | It's kind of like Savage |
| 15:56.01 | Bounty | No idea what that is |
| 15:57.07 | Dustin|Lappy | There's 2 teams, each team has a commander who plays kinda RTS, and the rest of the players on the team pick a unit class to control from a pool of units that get bigger depending on the commanders tech tree |
| 15:57.24 | Dustin|Lappy | and basically the class units are the combat units for the commander |
| 15:57.36 | Dustin|Lappy | And have to attack/defend/capture expansions etc |
| 15:57.50 | burne- | I think tofus creators are way too arrogant |
| 15:57.54 | Dustin|Lappy | And the commander researches new units, weapons, abilitiys for the class units |
| 15:57.54 | Bounty | Good idea Dustin |
| 15:58.06 | Bounty | BAD place to launch that type of game though |
| 15:58.12 | Bounty | I think you alrdy know that lol |
| 15:58.37 | Dustin|Lappy | bad place? |
| 15:58.42 | Bounty | Unless you have some sort of Anti Troll system? |
| 15:58.50 | Dustin|Lappy | Yeah I gotta comeup with something |
| 15:58.59 | Bounty | Btw |
| 15:59.11 | Bounty | isnt it sad that we have to develop maps around trolls? lol |
| 15:59.21 | Dustin|Lappy | I think I'll have a builder class who can take over commander class that can build shit if a vote is called |
| 15:59.25 | Dustin|Lappy | Yeah it is :P |
| 15:59.38 | Dustin|Lappy | I'll figure something out |
| 15:59.49 | Bounty | a simple voting system should work |
| 15:59.52 | Bounty | kick the commander |
| 15:59.54 | Bounty | vote for a new one |
| 16:00.02 | Dustin|Lappy | Yeah |
| 16:00.16 | Dustin|Lappy | But then you're a person down on the class units |
| 16:00.31 | Dustin|Lappy | Maybe I'll develop an AI system to takeover a class unit |
| 16:00.36 | Dustin|Lappy | If shits imbalanced |
| 16:00.51 | Bounty | What i think someone needs to make |
| 16:00.58 | Dustin|Lappy | That's all down the road though |
| 16:01.04 | Bounty | Ever play Command and Conquer Renegade? |
| 16:01.11 | Bounty | Someone should make that for Starcraft |
| 16:01.19 | Dustin|Lappy | Never really palyed any C&C |
| 16:01.25 | Bounty | me either |
| 16:01.42 | Bounty | but it was basically C&C, but you played in first person/third person as a single unit |
| 16:01.47 | Bounty | the goal was the same |
| 16:01.52 | Bounty | destroy the enemies base |
| 16:02.35 | Dustin|Lappy | That's something I wanted to do before SC2 was even out |
| 16:02.46 | Dustin|Lappy | But when I found out WASD sucked I ditched the idea |
| 16:02.50 | Bounty | lol |
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| 16:02.54 | Bounty | shame |
| 16:03.01 | Bounty | It would have been very popular |
| 16:03.11 | Dustin|Lappy | Yeah, I had it all planned out in my head |
| 16:03.13 | AlphA_VsT | no it wouldnt |
| 16:03.14 | Bounty | most people dont give a shit about WASD as long as its playable |
| 16:03.22 | AlphA_VsT | :P |
| 16:03.37 | Bounty | You should do it Dustin |
| 16:03.53 | AlphA_VsT | do what |
| 16:03.57 | Bounty | as long as you use one of the newer wasd systems |
| 16:03.59 | Bounty | ull be fine |
| 16:04.02 | Dustin|Lappy | Dont want to fuck with laggyness :P |
| 16:04.09 | Bounty | lol |
| 16:04.10 | Bounty | sigh |
| 16:04.35 | Dustin|Lappy | I just dont understand the problem with coding a key input system that doesnt lag |
| 16:04.42 | Dustin|Lappy | Why is that so hard blizzard |
| 16:05.04 | Bounty | Thats why i said use one of the newer wasd systems |
| 16:05.16 | Bounty | they are atleast 10x more responsive then the shit we had from beta |
| 16:05.20 | Bounty | where it was like 2 second delay |
| 16:05.23 | Dustin|Lappy | the main problem is blizzards hardcoded key detection system |
| 16:05.34 | Dustin|Lappy | Which cant be coded around sadly |
| 16:05.49 | Bounty | I thought JademusSreg already did that? lol |
| 16:06.40 | JademusSreg | Dustin refers to the way the engine handles the key detection. |
| 16:06.58 | AlphA_VsT | :P |
| 16:07.15 | JademusSreg | Even with an optimally efficent script for capturing input, the events are still shit. |
| 16:07.20 | Bounty | idk, i read some thread about saying how your system captures key input or w/e |
| 16:07.34 | JademusSreg | Stacking slow engine upon the slow latency. |
| 16:07.36 | Bounty | yeah but it doesnt kill the fun |
| 16:07.38 | Bounty | at all |
| 16:07.57 | Bounty | especially with using the more new systems |
| 16:08.16 | Dustin|Lappy | For my idea I'd need precision detection |
| 16:08.21 | Dustin|Lappy | .5 latentcy wont cut it |
| 16:08.26 | Bounty | for movement? |
| 16:08.30 | Bounty | or aiming |
| 16:08.44 | Bounty | aiming precision can be done |
| 16:08.49 | Bounty | easily |
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| 16:10.03 | Booom3 | Dustin|Lappy: the problem now is not key input delay, it's bnet lag |
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| 16:10.14 | Booom3 | And you will never be able to work around that, ever |
| 16:10.26 | Bounty | you can reduce the delay ALOT |
| 16:10.37 | JademusSreg | Boom, it is both, and we can't resolve either. |
| 16:10.38 | Bounty | it wont ever be instant |
| 16:10.41 | Booom3 | So your character will always start walking so long after you press the button you might aswell have a coffee break |
| 16:11.01 | Bounty | yeah, thats completely false |
| 16:11.08 | Bounty | pisses me off really lol |
| 16:11.15 | Booom3 | What |
| 16:11.15 | Bounty | its not that bad at all with the newer systems |
| 16:11.26 | Bounty | fuckign christ |
| 16:11.28 | Bounty | JademusSreg |
| 16:11.29 | Booom3 | It's still horrible compared to any FPS game ever |
| 16:11.33 | Bounty | make a WASD using ur system already |
| 16:11.46 | Bounty | i wouldnt even call it horrible |
| 16:11.52 | Booom3 | If it's not instant it bothers me |
| 16:11.53 | Bounty | but its nowhere near what it used to be |
| 16:12.03 | Bounty | well then you miss out on alot of fun maps |
| 16:12.17 | Bounty | and the thing is |
| 16:12.25 | Booom3 | Is moving diagonally fixed? |
| 16:12.27 | Bounty | when you're playing an FPS like CoD or w/e.. you're still lagging lol |
| 16:12.31 | Bounty | u just dont see it |
| 16:12.33 | Booom3 | Because last time you couldn't move forward and left at the same time |
| 16:12.38 | Booom3 | Yeah |
| 16:12.42 | Booom3 | Fix that |
| 16:12.53 | Booom3 | So you don't see the lag on your screen |
| 16:12.58 | Bounty | that was fixed like |
| 16:13.00 | Bounty | months ago |
| 16:13.11 | Bounty | i dont even remember moving diagonally ever being an issue lol |
| 16:13.11 | Booom3 | Can you move diagonally though? |
| 16:13.15 | Bounty | yeah |
| 16:13.17 | JademusSreg | I've made a WASD POC map using my system already. |
| 16:13.20 | Bounty | ive had 8 way movement since beta... |
| 16:13.21 | Booom3 | Well the maps I played you couldn't |
| 16:13.39 | Booom3 | It was like "lol you press two movement buttons complete error move nothing at all" |
| 16:13.47 | Bounty | lol |
| 16:13.47 | JademusSreg | It's not a "fully playable" map, but it demonstrates the concept. |
| 16:13.49 | Dustin|Lappy | I had a pretty good WASD system on my beta map Top Down Fighters |
| 16:13.51 | Bounty | well then those are some fail systems |
| 16:14.13 | Bounty | You know what i dont get JademusSreg |
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| 16:14.20 | Booom3 | Well name a map that I can play which has all these fixes in then |
| 16:14.23 | AlphA_VsT | i cant add new triggers into my map |
| 16:14.24 | AlphA_VsT | wtf |
| 16:14.25 | Bounty | you have that great system and you STILL take the side of the WASD QQers |
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| 16:14.28 | Bounty | that bothers me alot |
| 16:14.32 | AlphA_VsT | um |
| 16:14.33 | AlphA_VsT | wtf |
| 16:14.34 | JademusSreg | I've got Third Person, Top Down, and Default camera maps demonstrating my system. |
| 16:14.40 | Booom3 | But why defend WASD |
| 16:14.48 | Booom3 | This isn't the engine for it |
| 16:14.52 | Bounty | lol |
| 16:15.02 | Bounty | im not even going to get into that arguement again |
| 16:15.03 | Booom3 | I've played good RTS games on FPS engines |
| 16:15.10 | Booom3 | But not the other way around |
| 16:15.30 | AlphA_VsT | oh wow |
| 16:15.35 | AlphA_VsT | that was stupid |
| 16:15.56 | Bounty | Well thats because apparently you're playing maps that dont even do 8 way movement without errors Boom |
| 16:16.08 | Bounty | i think a good example would be |
| 16:16.14 | Bounty | The First Person Shooter Test map |
| 16:16.17 | Bounty | that LinkD did |
| 16:16.43 | Booom3 | Still, forcing square cube through triangle hole |
| 16:17.15 | Bounty | lol really? do you people meet in a room and plan what you guys will say |
| 16:17.20 | Bounty | you're the 5th fuckign person to say that |
| 16:17.24 | Booom3 | It's like using game maker when trying to make a proper game |
| 16:17.35 | Booom3 | It wasn't made for it and the result will be worse as a result |
| 16:17.41 | Booom3 | remove that last part |
| 16:17.49 | Bounty | Well heres how i see it |
| 16:17.56 | Bounty | You spent 60 bucks for SC2 |
| 16:18.10 | Bounty | If you get a decent tps or fps for FREE that someone worked on |
| 16:18.15 | Bounty | you shouldnt be complaining |
| 16:18.21 | Booom3 | I'm not complaining |
| 16:18.22 | Bounty | be grateful and enjoy it for what it is |
| 16:18.24 | Bounty | i know |
| 16:18.26 | Bounty | im speakign to the world |
| 16:18.29 | Bounty | like hitler |
| 16:18.31 | Booom3 | I'm just saying you could have made something much better with your time |
| 16:18.43 | Bounty | what? like Project TMA? trolololol |
| 16:18.48 | Kueken | who couldn#t? |
| 16:18.50 | Booom3 | Like a fun custom map that works properly without having to spend more time trying to make the game do things it wasn't intended to do |
| 16:19.06 | Booom3 | than actually working on the map |
| 16:19.07 | Kueken | what would be the fun in that? ;) |
| 16:19.18 | Bounty | all of my maps work properly |
| 16:19.30 | Bounty | and ive been doing wasd since day 1 |
| 16:19.33 | Dustin|Lappy | Key Detection should be client based and not have to sync over b.net to be honest |
| 16:19.50 | Bounty | well yeah |
| 16:19.55 | Booom3 | That would never work and you know it |
| 16:20.06 | Bounty | imo |
| 16:20.07 | Booom3 | Imagine how easy it would be to cheat |
| 16:20.14 | Bounty | Blizzard missed out on a billion dollar industry |
| 16:20.23 | Booom3 | What |
| 16:20.24 | Bounty | Galaxy could have been a full fledged gaming platform |
| 16:20.29 | Booom3 | No |
| 16:20.29 | Bounty | but w/e |
| 16:20.36 | Dustin|Lappy | Wouldnt be easy to cheat |
| 16:21.03 | Dustin|Lappy | The game just wouldnt have the event sync key data between players |
| 16:21.12 | Dustin|Lappy | causing the lag |
| 16:21.12 | Booom3 | Why would they spend time making the engine do things it wasn't intended to just so that you can create FPS games in it? |
| 16:21.25 | Bounty | Because then they could sell it |
| 16:21.28 | Dustin|Lappy | Because licensing of game engine |
| 16:21.29 | Bounty | Tahts a huge fucking selling point |
| 16:21.33 | Bounty | Buy our game |
| 16:21.37 | Bounty | And you will never need to buy another |
| 16:21.43 | Bounty | that is a HUGE selling point |
| 16:21.43 | Bounty | lol |
| 16:21.54 | Dustin|Lappy | You think Source enginge doesnt have things in it they didnt use in HL2? |
| 16:21.56 | Booom3 | You can count the amount of devs who still want to make RTS games on your one hand |
| 16:21.59 | Dustin|Lappy | Sure as fuck does |
| 16:22.03 | Booom3 | Also I'd rather they work on making a good game |
| 16:22.06 | Booom3 | And not end up like UT3 |
| 16:22.17 | Dustin|Lappy | You can do both |
| 16:22.23 | Dustin|Lappy | Esp with the cash blizzard has |
| 16:22.31 | Bounty | all im saying |
| 16:22.37 | Dustin|Lappy | Valves got more repsect from me then Blizzard does at the moment |
| 16:22.38 | Bounty | is Blizzard is missing out |
| 16:22.47 | Bounty | With how well they make editors |
| 16:22.52 | Bounty | They could easily make an entire platform |
| 16:22.59 | Booom3 | My respect for valve is dying quickly |
| 16:23.03 | Booom3 | With all the DLC bullshit they got going now |
| 16:23.08 | Bounty | but hey, if Blizz wants to focus on E-sports |
| 16:23.09 | Bounty | then ok |
| 16:23.11 | Bounty | w/e >< |
| 16:23.13 | Booom3 | I completely quit playing TF2 with the polycount pack |
| 16:23.18 | Booom3 | Before it though I loved TF2 |
| 16:23.23 | Booom3 | Now it's dead to me |
| 16:24.30 | Booom3 | Portal 2 with day one DLC? |
| 16:24.30 | Booom3 | That's cool and all |
| 16:24.30 | Dustin|Lappy | The Portal 2 robot enrichment thing kinda pissed me off |
| 16:24.30 | Booom3 | But they're becoming money hungry whores |
| 16:24.30 | Dustin|Lappy | Portal 2 didnt have day one DLC |
| 16:24.30 | Booom3 | DLC, microtransactions |
| 16:24.30 | Dustin|Lappy | Yeah but you didnt really get anything from it |
| 16:24.30 | Dustin|Lappy | Purely aesthetic bs |
| 16:24.30 | Dustin|Lappy | So I dont mind |
| 16:24.32 | Booom3 | It's still 3 euros for a bloody emote |
| 16:24.35 | Dustin|Lappy | if it was actual lcontent I would |
| 16:24.37 | Booom3 | Just you wait |
| 16:24.50 | Dustin|Lappy | When that day comes I'll stop buying their shit |
| 16:24.54 | Booom3 | They're on a downward spiral into console developer hell |
| 16:25.21 | Booom3 | I just hope they release EP3 before they die |
| 16:25.23 | Dustin|Lappy | I just need to get some maps out there and get a dev studio made so I can bring back true gamer indie studios |
| 16:26.07 | Booom3 | Just don't make pretentious artsy games with no substance |
| 16:26.17 | Booom3 | Like most indie games |
| 16:26.29 | Dustin|Lappy | Lol, Im a gamer, I want to make games, not artsy shit |
| 16:26.33 | Booom3 | Good |
| 16:27.27 | Dustin|Lappy | My concept is Badass Game Idea > Balance > Art > Polish that shit |
| 16:27.27 | Dustin|Lappy | That's how I work |
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| 16:28.45 | Booom3 | As long as you make it a good game in its genre |
| 16:29.08 | Dustin|Lappy | I like to expand from 1 genre |
| 16:29.24 | Dustin|Lappy | To limited with classifying in a genre |
| 16:30.20 | Booom3 | But multi genre games sometime just get too many balls in the air and can't balance them well at all so the end result is terrible |
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| 16:41.54 | Helral | yay just won a mafia match as SK ;p |
| 16:42.04 | Helral | I also let the survivor win with me ;p |
| 16:42.23 | burne- | anyone up for stardrivers? |
| 16:42.30 | burne- | innnn like 15 mins |
| 16:42.35 | Helral | you mean that anime? |
| 16:42.38 | Helral | *grins* |
| 16:42.53 | burne- | rofl |
| 16:42.55 | burne- | ^^ |
| 16:44.32 | burne- | brb |
| 16:44.40 | burne- | after that we can play |
| 16:44.41 | burne- | it |
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| 17:03.35 | burne- | I really hate creating sounds and effects in sc2 |
| 17:03.43 | burne- | always fucking actors actors actors |
| 17:03.54 | burne- | then multiple tabs tabs tabs |
| 17:04.43 | burne- | anyone up for STAR DRIVERS (not the anime) but the game |
| 17:04.44 | burne- | ! |
| 17:07.33 | burne- | nobody :( |
| 17:08.04 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 17:08.10 | JademusSreg | I'm NA. |
| 17:08.15 | burne- | move to eu |
| 17:08.16 | burne- | :( |
| 17:09.19 | JademusSreg | Naw. Maybe when I retire. |
| 17:15.37 | burne- | meh |
| 17:15.41 | burne- | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:15.43 | burne- | they not playing |
| 17:15.51 | AlphA_VsT | YAY! Add new class of "Warrior" with base stats as Dexterity 5.0, Endurance 10.0, Strength 10.0, and Intellect 5.0 with main stat as "Str". |
| 17:16.25 | JademusSreg | Alph has so much fun with GUI. |
| 17:17.29 | AlphA_VsT | i do |
| 17:17.38 | AlphA_VsT | it helps me be so organized |
| 17:17.40 | AlphA_VsT | <3 |
| 17:18.19 | Bounty | >< |
| 17:18.25 | AlphA_VsT | i get folders and awesome help text and all sorts of fun shit |
| 17:19.43 | AlphA_VsT | i still need to change the loading bar :( |
| 17:20.18 | AlphA_VsT | ugly ass default terrian bar lol |
| 17:20.27 | burne- | what am i doing wrong? |
| 17:20.28 | AlphA_VsT | fucks with the whole vibe |
| 17:20.30 | Dekar | i use gui with jass thrown inbetween |
| 17:20.30 | burne- | sounds not playing |
| 17:20.32 | AlphA_VsT | everything |
| 17:20.36 | burne- | actor sounds |
| 17:20.40 | Dekar | dont hate the gui |
| 17:20.47 | AlphA_VsT | there is no jass 0.o |
| 17:20.52 | Dekar | erm |
| 17:20.53 | Dekar | galaxy |
| 17:20.57 | AlphA_VsT | <3 |
| 17:21.03 | Dekar | just another sccript syntax 3 |
| 17:21.08 | Dekar | aka galaxy |
| 17:21.09 | Dekar | :p |
| 17:21.32 | AlphA_VsT | i know |
| 17:21.35 | AlphA_VsT | but still |
| 17:22.10 | AlphA_VsT | i need some roll over and clicky sounds for buttons |
| 17:22.53 | Dekar | clickedy click |
| 17:23.03 | Dekar | record your mouse |
| 17:23.12 | AlphA_VsT | no |
| 17:23.36 | AlphA_VsT | http://www.flashkit.com/soundfx/ |
| 17:23.43 | AlphA_VsT | best place ever for ui effects |
| 17:25.09 | burne- | last chance to test star drivers today! |
| 17:25.10 | burne- | on eu |
| 17:25.21 | Dekar | only if your force me to! |
| 17:25.24 | Dekar | do you? |
| 17:25.40 | burne- | no |
| 17:25.55 | burne- | i wont force you |
| 17:25.56 | Dekar | :( |
| 17:26.21 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 17:26.30 | AlphA_VsT | that means he is forcing you by not forcing you |
| 17:26.50 | Dekar | omg |
| 17:26.59 | Dekar | im not good at these psychological tricks |
| 17:27.00 | Dekar | sorry |
| 17:27.03 | Dekar | will be there in a moment |
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| 17:27.23 | Dekar | slaps burne- around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:27.30 | burne- | haha |
| 17:27.39 | Tordy | sup |
| 17:28.01 | Dekar | im online where are you? |
| 17:28.58 | Tordy | right here |
| 17:29.02 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 17:29.28 | JademusSreg | Hahaha. |
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| 17:30.49 | Tordy | mr president |
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| 17:40.08 | burne- | so much to do |
| 17:40.09 | burne- | btw |
| 17:40.21 | burne- | Dekar: was the starting camera centered to your car? |
| 17:40.27 | burne- | so you could see attachments? |
| 17:41.48 | burne- | DEKAR |
| 17:41.50 | burne- | ! |
| 17:42.09 | AlphA_VsT | RAKED |
| 17:42.24 | burne- | SHUP UP |
| 17:45.28 | Tordy | wassup |
| 17:48.14 | AlphA_VsT | nada |
| 17:48.16 | Dekar | i guess |
| 17:49.22 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 17:50.20 | JademusSreg | I need some brains for storming purposes. |
| 17:51.09 | burne- | Dekar: I guess you could see? T_T |
| 17:51.30 | Dekar | yes? |
| 17:51.43 | burne- | good? |
| 17:51.48 | Dekar | i just didnt know how to move that damn thing |
| 17:52.04 | JademusSreg | Going to the gym. bbl |
| 17:52.07 | Dekar | i can storm some brains |
| 17:52.08 | Dekar | omg |
| 17:52.09 | burne- | what thing |
| 17:52.15 | Dekar | my car |
| 17:52.24 | burne- | when driving? |
| 17:52.29 | burne- | :D |
| 17:52.29 | Dekar | at the start |
| 17:52.30 | JManV|Work | wish i could go to the gym |
| 17:52.34 | JManV|Work | ... and not be at work |
| 17:52.34 | burne- | kk |
| 17:52.39 | JManV|Work | 3 more boring hours |
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| 17:54.25 | Dekar | someone make a map out of this: http://www.qwantz.com/comics/comic2-1954.png |
| 17:54.40 | burne- | Dekar: you can storm your brains to give me feedback |
| 17:54.43 | Tordy | too much text |
| 17:55.09 | burne- | apart from the tooltips and sounds (not done, but doing) |
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| 18:05.47 | AlphA_VsT | no way |
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| 18:10.06 | Obatztrara | ho. |
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| 18:16.37 | Obatztrara | guys where I can switch on autocast on a unit with triggers? |
| 18:17.12 | AlphA_VsT | order |
| 18:17.15 | Obatztrara | yea |
| 18:17.18 | Obatztrara | found it :) |
| 18:17.18 | AlphA_VsT | turn auto cast on |
| 18:17.20 | Obatztrara | thanks though |
| 18:17.28 | AlphA_VsT | dont fucking ask then :D |
| 18:18.01 | Obatztrara | I mean I "just" found it |
| 18:18.12 | Obatztrara | :) |
| 18:18.29 | AlphA_VsT | well dont ask if you plan on finding out for your self fuck |
| 18:18.31 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 18:19.31 | AlphA_VsT | i fucking hate dialogs so much |
| 18:20.28 | AlphA_VsT | http://i.imgur.com/NcNIH.jpg |
| 18:21.45 | Obatztrara | that looks pretty good |
| 18:25.11 | AlphA_VsT | yay |
| 18:25.22 | AlphA_VsT | been working on it 1 day lol |
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| 18:40.59 | Dustin|Lappy | Nice alpha |
| 18:41.08 | Dustin|Lappy | Now is there any content to go with that screen? :P |
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| 18:45.50 | burne- | BLUB_ |
| 18:46.21 | AlphA_VsT | lol dustin |
| 18:47.46 | Dekar | that screenshot looks like 2 months of work! D: |
| 18:47.52 | AlphA_VsT | 1 day |
| 18:47.55 | AlphA_VsT | so far |
| 18:48.12 | burne- | did you do the art in 1 day too?! |
| 18:48.18 | AlphA_VsT | of course |
| 18:48.22 | burne- | nice |
| 18:48.22 | AlphA_VsT | i started this yesterday |
| 18:48.33 | AlphA_VsT | well monday fuck |
| 18:48.34 | Dekar | can i hire you for no money to create stuff for me? |
| 18:48.35 | AlphA_VsT | so 2 days |
| 18:48.48 | AlphA_VsT | no im broke i need a real job |
| 18:48.55 | Dekar | :( |
| 18:49.02 | AlphA_VsT | pay me and sure |
| 18:49.28 | AlphA_VsT | partly why im creating this for a portfolio pice like |
| 18:49.31 | AlphA_VsT | makes sense |
| 18:56.05 | burne- | someone help me |
| 18:56.09 | burne- | why doesnt my actors play sounds |
| 18:56.18 | burne- | im trying to create sounds when unit spawns and dies |
| 18:56.20 | AlphA_VsT | cause they are mute |
| 18:56.26 | AlphA_VsT | event + |
| 18:56.28 | burne- | how do i unmute |
| 18:56.35 | AlphA_VsT | on teh actor |
| 18:56.38 | AlphA_VsT | unitbith |
| 18:56.41 | AlphA_VsT | play sound |
| 18:56.47 | AlphA_VsT | unit death |
| 18:56.49 | AlphA_VsT | play sound |
| 18:57.14 | burne- | there is only play unit sound? |
| 18:57.41 | burne- | if you mean create |
| 18:57.46 | burne- | doesnt seem to work alone atleast :/ |
| 18:57.52 | burne- | like talking about sound actors |
| 18:58.42 | Dustin|Lappy | I couldnt get sound actors to work |
| 18:58.44 | Dustin|Lappy | So I said fuck it |
| 18:59.23 | AlphA_VsT | sound actors? |
| 18:59.50 | Dustin|Lappy | Actors that play sounds |
| 19:00.01 | AlphA_VsT | ok |
| 19:00.10 | AlphA_VsT | well those need to be linked to |
| 19:00.13 | AlphA_VsT | some how |
| 19:00.18 | AlphA_VsT | though events |
| 19:00.35 | Dustin|Lappy | I had an event that created the actor when an effect played |
| 19:00.38 | Dustin|Lappy | Still nothin |
| 19:00.43 | Dustin|Lappy | So I used triggers |
| 19:00.55 | AlphA_VsT | but the soudn actor needs |
| 19:01.03 | AlphA_VsT | to have data |
| 19:04.16 | Dustin|Lappy | IT had it's sound field filed |
| 19:05.19 | burne- | yes its filled |
| 19:05.30 | burne- | data editor just doesnt fell like cooperating....ever! |
| 19:07.23 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
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| 19:09.56 | burne- | even triggers dont wana play the sounds?!! |
| 19:10.00 | burne- | whats going on |
| 19:10.08 | burne- | cant get anyting working |
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| 19:13.16 | burne- | pfffffff |
| 19:13.17 | AlphA_VsT | what sound is it |
| 19:13.26 | burne- | marauder_launch |
| 19:13.39 | AlphA_VsT | go to sounds |
| 19:13.44 | burne- | and impact, iv been trying both |
| 19:13.47 | AlphA_VsT | go to it open it and press play |
| 19:14.45 | burne- | then? |
| 19:15.58 | AlphA_VsT | does it make a sound |
| 19:15.59 | AlphA_VsT | :P |
| 19:16.03 | burne- | yes... |
| 19:16.15 | AlphA_VsT | then your doign something wrong :D |
| 19:17.15 | burne- | lol I tested marauder yes sound |
| 19:17.17 | burne- | it works |
| 19:17.20 | burne- | but launch doesnt |
| 19:17.22 | burne- | what the hell |
| 19:19.18 | burne- | yea |
| 19:19.26 | burne- | it doesnt play the launch sound for some reason |
| 19:20.48 | AlphA_VsT | there you go |
| 19:20.55 | AlphA_VsT | the sound is broken :D |
| 19:20.56 | burne- | launch effect cannot be played in unit possition for some reason?! |
| 19:20.58 | burne- | what the hell |
| 19:21.08 | burne- | how do i play it then |
| 19:22.58 | burne- | someone solve this mystery pls |
| 19:23.52 | blub_ | huh? |
| 19:23.54 | blub_ | sup? |
| 19:24.11 | burne- | its same for impact sounds |
| 19:24.18 | burne- | blub_ help me get sounds for my missiles |
| 19:24.29 | burne- | I cannot get the play any sounds (impact and launch sounds) |
| 19:27.32 | AlphA_VsT | did you look at the marauder to see how its sound is played |
| 19:28.04 | burne- | well im not using marauder so god damn |
| 19:28.15 | burne- | I give up for now |
| 19:28.21 | blub_ | dunno |
| 19:28.22 | blub_ | never used sounds |
| 19:29.26 | burne- | me neither |
| 19:29.27 | burne- | -_- |
| 19:30.39 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 19:31.55 | JademusSreg | I need ideas for an option image. |
| 19:31.59 | JademusSreg | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/OptionCardPreview.jpg |
| 19:32.11 | JademusSreg | There are examples of Exhibition and Score. |
| 19:32.26 | JademusSreg | I'm having trouble thinking of one for Round end condition. |
| 19:33.33 | JademusSreg | Don't mind the option cards; the one on the left is enabled, the one on the right is disabled, but that's not relevant to the image inside the option card. |
| 19:34.54 | AlphA_VsT | sure it is |
| 19:34.55 | AlphA_VsT | :P |
| 19:35.00 | AlphA_VsT | jus kidding |
| 19:35.04 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 19:35.17 | JademusSreg | The option card and image inside it are seperate, of course. |
| 19:35.44 | JademusSreg | These are just cropped from screenshots in the map where I test my textures. |
| 19:43.42 | Obatztrara | score looks pretty cool Jade |
| 19:45.21 | JademusSreg | Thanks. |
| 19:45.46 | JademusSreg | I already know what I'll do for the Time option, but still haven't got an idea for Round. D= |
| 19:46.03 | JademusSreg | Time is painfully obvious, it doesn't merit explanation. |
| 19:46.23 | JademusSreg | If anyone has any ideas for the Round option image, I'd love to hear em. |
| 19:46.25 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 19:46.34 | JManV|Work | a vagina? |
| 19:46.55 | JademusSreg | (If this were Photon Cocks, yes, absolutely.) |
| 19:46.57 | JManV|Work | soory. that's not helping :P |
| 19:47.12 | burne- | nice one |
| 19:47.13 | burne- | :) |
| 19:47.18 | JManV|Work | i'm not preoccuppied or anything |
| 19:47.39 | JManV|Work | hmm |
| 19:47.46 | JManV|Work | i can't actually think of anything |
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| 19:51.21 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 19:51.50 | JademusSreg | I'll work on the Time option in the meantime. |
| 19:53.51 | JManV|Work | you could be puntastic and just have a bunch of bullets :P |
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| 19:54.34 | JademusSreg | Hah, funny, but wouldn't be good. |
| 19:54.45 | JademusSreg | I reserve puns for death messages. |
| 19:55.01 | JademusSreg | Good news is Shadow Killer is working on photon cycle models for me. |
| 19:55.03 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 19:55.22 | AlphA_VsT | best thing i can think of is a tournament style chart |
| 19:55.26 | JManV|Work | that's all i got |
| 19:55.36 | JManV|Work | yeah, i was thinking the same thing, but that might be misleading |
| 19:55.41 | AlphA_VsT | yeah |
| 19:56.22 | AlphA_VsT | or some sort of score card thing |
| 19:56.25 | JManV|Work | but yeah, when i think "rounds", i think tournament bracket |
| 19:56.32 | JManV|Work | score card could work maybe |
| 19:56.44 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 19:56.44 | JManV|Work | maybe some tally marks or something |
| 19:57.26 | JManV|Work | im loving this song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vM8fEP8FOqE |
| 19:57.27 | AlphA_VsT | yeah something |
| 19:59.38 | AlphA_VsT | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:01.08 | JademusSreg | Xbox Head, the nerdiest Cenobite. |
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| 20:03.40 | AlphA_VsT | mirror and freaky shit fuck you no thanks |
| 20:04.47 | JManV|Work | i like it :) |
| 20:06.06 | AlphA_VsT | fuck off |
| 20:06.17 | JademusSreg | =\ |
| 20:06.54 | blub_ | JManV|Work: better song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FQKkk51jMk&feature=related |
| 20:07.22 | Obatztrara | :) |
| 20:07.35 | JademusSreg | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6lTTsMWGWs |
| 20:07.37 | JademusSreg | <3 |
| 20:12.07 | AlphA_VsT | wtf is wrong with you people |
| 20:12.37 | JademusSreg | Everything. All of the things. |
| 20:13.13 | JademusSreg | Dunno how one couldn't like A Rose Is A Rose. |
| 20:13.39 | Obatztrara | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXqPYte8tvc |
| 20:13.40 | Obatztrara | =) |
| 20:13.54 | JademusSreg | Yes, that is lovely, Obat. |
| 20:14.06 | Obatztrara | and catchy, too |
| 20:16.47 | JademusSreg | It leaves me wanting more each time I hear it. |
| 20:17.27 | Obatztrara | this is pretty great, too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ddn4MGaS3N4&feature=relmfu |
| 20:17.32 | Obatztrara | enough link spam now :) |
| 20:18.14 | Obatztrara | talk about new ways of playing old intrsuments... |
| 20:18.37 | JademusSreg | Bluegrass picker. <3 |
| 20:19.35 | JademusSreg | I am not aware if there is a more technical term for it. |
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| 20:21.30 | Mexa | Oh they silly PSN hackers, be so silly :/ |
| 20:21.58 | Mexa | Also, good evening. |
| 20:22.14 | blub_ | PSN hackers? |
| 20:22.15 | blub_ | huh? |
| 20:22.35 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 20:22.47 | Mexa | blub_ so missed that out? |
| 20:22.57 | blub_ | Mexa: consoles suck, I never cared |
| 20:23.04 | blub_ | but "hacking" just sounded... interesting |
| 20:23.12 | Mexa | PSN will be down for several weeks, as they now have to redo the entire PSN from scratch |
| 20:23.21 | blub_ | why? |
| 20:23.31 | AlphA_VsT | yeah |
| 20:23.32 | Mexa | Because it got hacked |
| 20:23.35 | Dustin|Lappy | They shouldnt have pissed off the hackers |
| 20:23.45 | Mexa | Pissed off them? |
| 20:23.55 | Mexa | I'm not really sure this is related to the anonymous group |
| 20:24.00 | AlphA_VsT | it was a big week for psn last week |
| 20:24.13 | Dustin|Lappy | It brought attention to them with their crap with Hottz |
| 20:24.25 | Mexa | pltskrk |
| 20:24.26 | AlphA_VsT | it wa getting steam and mortal combat and other shit |
| 20:24.51 | blub_ | Mexa: just read my slashdot mail about it |
| 20:24.55 | blub_ | I just say |
| 20:24.55 | blub_ | LOL |
| 20:24.56 | Mexa | So insteas, they should just sit there doing nothing Duston? |
| 20:25.01 | blub_ | not that I'd care about the PSN... consoles suck... but... hacking it? who wastes his time doing something as useless as that? |
| 20:25.01 | Mexa | *Dustin |
| 20:25.07 | blub_ | okay, maybe it's not useless for them |
| 20:25.13 | Mexa | blub_ credit card, identity and password theft |
| 20:25.16 | blub_ | but I don't get any of the bad stuff in this world really |
| 20:25.19 | Dustin|Lappy | No, they should have gone about it another way |
| 20:25.22 | Mexa | All of that might have been compromised |
| 20:25.38 | blub_ | I would never entrust the playstation dumbos with information like that... |
| 20:25.40 | blub_ | never ever |
| 20:25.51 | Dustin|Lappy | Going through his paypal and personal things was ridiculious just because he was smart enough to crack their shitty 'security' key |
| 20:26.06 | blub_ | people suck at security |
| 20:26.18 | Dustin|Lappy | They could have, I don't know, hired him as chief security guy |
| 20:26.28 | Mexa | Dustin, they did break down each and every security piece of the ps3 hardware |
| 20:26.35 | blub_ | Dustin|Lappy: what if it was a lucky guess? :P |
| 20:26.46 | Mexa | But yeah, GetRandomSeed-> return 4; was pretty stupid of them |
| 20:26.53 | Dustin|Lappy | Yeah it's not a lucky guess :P |
| 20:26.59 | blub_ | Mexa: putting money into security pieces on hardware that is shipped to customers |
| 20:27.02 | blub_ | is ridiculous |
| 20:27.13 | blub_ | if you have access to th ehardware |
| 20:27.14 | Dustin|Lappy | The fact that they locked out Other OS's is bullshit |
| 20:27.18 | blub_ | you can do evil stuff with it |
| 20:27.26 | blub_ | they should just block onlineplay for unauthorized |
| 20:27.27 | Mexa | blub_ though how has the hardware anything to do with PSN |
| 20:27.30 | blub_ | and do proper security THERE instead |
| 20:28.02 | blub_ | Mexa: well |
| 20:28.02 | blub_ | Mexa: because |
| 20:28.02 | blub_ | maybe they could have put more money into the PSN security then :P |
| 20:28.02 | Mexa | well yeah |
| 20:28.06 | Mexa | That is what they are doing now anyway |
| 20:28.25 | blub_ | I think |
| 20:28.26 | Mexa | But still, I don't own a ps3, but it can still piss me off abit |
| 20:28.37 | blub_ | I'll have to have a BIG laugh at that friend of mine who owns a PS3 |
| 20:28.52 | blub_ | and tell him to buy portal for PC instead :P |
| 20:29.11 | blub_ | xD |
| 20:29.11 | Mexa | he could buy it for ps3 and get a steam key for free otherwise. |
| 20:29.29 | blub_ | he could dump his ps3 and stay on PC with everything |
| 20:29.35 | Mexa | meh |
| 20:29.36 | blub_ | =P |
| 20:29.43 | Mexa | Anythign would due |
| 20:29.57 | blub_ | how to beat the hybrid in catch and run: |
| 20:29.59 | blub_ | get 2 reapers |
| 20:30.01 | blub_ | who spawnkill the hybrid |
| 20:30.16 | blub_ | maybe 1 automaton to stun +silence him so he can't get away |
| 20:30.33 | Mexa | hey Jademus, how's the next version going? |
| 20:30.39 | JademusSreg | Pretty well. |
| 20:30.51 | JademusSreg | I need ideas for Round option image, though. |
| 20:31.26 | Mexa | If I'd reply unimaginative, I'd reply, make it a circle |
| 20:31.27 | Mexa | lol |
| 20:31.32 | JademusSreg | Here are examples of enabled and disabled option cards, as well as Exhibition and Score options. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/OptionCardPreview.jpg |
| 20:32.11 | Mexa | What kind of mode is exhibition? |
| 20:32.27 | JademusSreg | It isn't obvious from the image? D= |
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| 20:32.34 | JademusSreg | Or the word? |
| 20:32.48 | JademusSreg | D= ++ |
| 20:32.51 | Mexa | I knwo the word |
| 20:33.02 | JademusSreg | These are End Game condition options. |
| 20:33.04 | Mexa | show-off? |
| 20:33.28 | Mexa | But I don't get the conditions |
| 20:33.29 | Mexa | :> |
| 20:33.41 | JademusSreg | I'll be dividing Score Conditions from End Conditions; they will be selected seperately. |
| 20:34.13 | JademusSreg | Score Conditions: Survival, Slayer, and Endurance; End Conditions: Score, Round, Time, Exhibition. |
| 20:34.41 | JademusSreg | I'm still seeking good screenshots for the score conditions. |
| 20:34.57 | JademusSreg | Otherwise I'll make my own little icons for those as well/ |
| 20:35.38 | JademusSreg | I had hoped for more of a response; I figured some EU fans would post oodles of screenshots for me, but then I may make the mistake of assuming everyone knows about the site and the forums and such. |
| 20:36.06 | JademusSreg | Anyway, Exhibition doesn't end. |
| 20:36.42 | JademusSreg | Scores are tracked, but there is no condition for victory. |
| 20:40.23 | Mexa | Hmm jade |
| 20:40.33 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 20:40.47 | Mexa | Well, we can't post the oodles of screenshots |
| 20:40.52 | Mexa | because we don't have the game mode |
| 20:40.56 | Mexa | *game modes |
| 20:41.05 | JademusSreg | Haha. Wha? |
| 20:41.21 | Mexa | Remember how old version we actually have now? |
| 20:41.25 | Mexa | :p |
| 20:41.37 | JademusSreg | Screenshots need only be representative of the theme. |
| 20:41.52 | JademusSreg | Which I specify in the post about it. |
| 20:42.19 | Mexa | The exhibition again, it never ends you say? |
| 20:42.24 | Mexa | So how does it end? |
| 20:42.27 | Mexa | :p |
| 20:42.55 | JademusSreg | When people leave. |
| 20:43.11 | Mexa | And the screenshots, they are what to be used as choice images? |
| 20:43.28 | Mexa | What if you die? |
| 20:44.01 | JademusSreg | Yes. I'll crop them and whatnot. I just need the sorts of screenshots I mention in the post, something that captures the essence of the score condition,. |
| 20:44.17 | Mexa | hm |
| 20:44.23 | JademusSreg | You've seen the post, yes? |
| 20:44.32 | Mexa | Nope |
| 20:44.37 | JademusSreg | Wakka wakka |
| 20:44.45 | Mexa | I'm not really an active on forums any,pre |
| 20:44.48 | Mexa | *anymore |
| 20:44.51 | JademusSreg | Neither am I. |
| 20:45.05 | JademusSreg | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/project-workplace/20788-photon-cycles-a-luminous-lightbikes-map/ |
| 20:45.18 | JademusSreg | Post 17. |
| 20:45.26 | Mexa | I could get some pictures for you, but I can't promise that for today |
| 20:45.44 | Mexa | Also, I'm not sure how I would ever capture the essence of the conditions |
| 20:45.49 | JademusSreg | Naw, development takes time; I don't need em today. |
| 20:45.59 | Mexa | Would'nt precise images would be better, like time, a clock or something? |
| 20:46.09 | JademusSreg | I mention it in the post. |
| 20:46.11 | Mexa | Like you already did on the current ones |
| 20:46.27 | JademusSreg | Wha? |
| 20:46.41 | JademusSreg | I think there is a misunderstanding here somewhere. |
| 20:47.02 | JademusSreg | I would like Score conditions to use screenshots. |
| 20:47.04 | Mexa | probably |
| 20:47.13 | JademusSreg | End Conditions will use the images I am making. |
| 20:47.29 | Mexa | So score conditions, like a screenshow on the leaderbord? |
| 20:47.29 | JademusSreg | Score Conditions determine how players get points. |
| 20:47.32 | Mexa | *board |
| 20:47.39 | JademusSreg | End Conditions determine when the game will end. |
| 20:49.18 | Mexa | Hmm okay |
| 20:49.22 | Mexa | I think I gte you now |
| 20:49.25 | Mexa | lo |
| 20:49.27 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 20:49.55 | Mexa | So the screenshots you need are for Survival, Slayer and Endurance, right? |
| 20:49.59 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 20:50.11 | Mexa | I see |
| 20:50.21 | JademusSreg | And I specify what sort of content in the image I'm looking for, and I'll just choose the best. |
| 20:50.41 | Mexa | Ah |
| 20:51.06 | JademusSreg | I've got a lot of feedback on death messages on other forums. |
| 20:51.07 | Mexa | I'll think about what I can do |
| 20:51.13 | JademusSreg | Which is a bit ironic, as they are very small forums./ |
| 20:51.25 | Mexa | heh |
| 20:51.27 | Mexa | Byt he way |
| 20:51.32 | Mexa | I also had another suggestion |
| 20:52.13 | Mexa | What if the boxes put out where to disappear if you die? |
| 20:52.24 | JademusSreg | Clarify? |
| 20:52.48 | JademusSreg | I don't understand your arrangement of words. |
| 20:52.55 | Mexa | I've seen tron clones before, in which your vehicle dies, everything it have created goes away with it. |
| 20:53.19 | Mexa | So yeah, the tail, pretty much |
| 20:53.19 | JademusSreg | Ah. For pansies. |
| 20:53.23 | Mexa | lol |
| 20:53.23 | Mexa | :P |
| 20:53.25 | JademusSreg | Yes, that option is planned. |
| 20:53.39 | Mexa | You could always make it noninstant |
| 20:53.44 | JademusSreg | The tooltip will include the word "pansies". |
| 20:53.50 | Mexa | haha |
| 20:54.04 | JademusSreg | I'll elaborate on the options though. |
| 20:54.13 | Mexa | Sounds good. |
| 20:54.24 | Mexa | your map is still on page 3 btw |
| 20:54.29 | JademusSreg | There will be an option to remove barriers on death, and an option for barriers to decay. |
| 20:54.35 | Mexa | Climbing abit further every day |
| 20:54.43 | JademusSreg | Cool. |
| 20:55.18 | JademusSreg | Decay will be enabled if barrier death is enabled. |
| 20:55.26 | JademusSreg | Slayer will enabled these options by default. |
| 20:55.34 | JademusSreg | To make for more balanced gameplay. |
| 20:55.38 | Mexa | Neat |
| 20:56.10 | Mexa | Is it the host who decides, or a public vote? |
| 20:56.13 | JademusSreg | One of the only things I don't like about Slayer currently is that dead players can score, and players can score simply by accident. |
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| 20:56.20 | JademusSreg | Currently, host. |
| 20:56.29 | JademusSreg | Because I want to push this update out as soon as possible. |
| 20:56.30 | Mexa | Hmm, host is always player 1 then, right? |
| 20:56.44 | JademusSreg | Yes, but I'll make the host the first activep layer. |
| 20:56.49 | JademusSreg | "host". |
| 20:56.57 | Mexa | oh |
| 20:57.06 | Mexa | How'd it figure out? |
| 20:58.03 | JademusSreg | By "host", I mean whichever active player is available in order will be selected. So if the current host leaves, another will be selected to finsih selecting options. |
| 20:58.29 | JademusSreg | It's as simple as iterating. |
| 20:58.37 | JademusSreg | Trivial, reallty. |
| 20:58.39 | JademusSreg | *really |
| 20:59.14 | JademusSreg | Fun fact: this update will take longer than the original map took to make. |
| 20:59.27 | JademusSreg | I expect it will be another week or two. |
| 20:59.40 | Mexa | :P |
| 20:59.55 | JademusSreg | And that can be dragged out longer, depending on how many testers I can find. |
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| 21:06.03 | Mexa | Hm |
| 21:06.14 | Mexa | Zoxc were the one testing the speed of galaxy, right? |
| 21:06.51 | Mexa | Do someone have that link of that comparison diagram between jass and ruby? |
| 21:06.54 | Mexa | Or was it perl |
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| 21:09.26 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 21:09.35 | AlphA_VsT | grrrr |
| 21:09.42 | JademusSreg | Jass and Ruby, iirc |
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| 21:11.23 | AlphA_VsT | anyways |
| 21:13.18 | AlphA_VsT | lol im on bnet |
| 21:13.35 | AlphA_VsT | last week i was ranked 35 im ranked 10 now 0.o |
| 21:13.38 | AlphA_VsT | i have not played |
| 21:13.39 | AlphA_VsT | at all |
| 21:13.46 | AlphA_VsT | AT ALL |
| 21:19.16 | superdoug | lol |
| 21:21.29 | Mexa | ... now to test something valuable |
| 21:29.42 | burne- | someone up for star drivers? |
| 21:29.49 | burne- | i made the descriptions |
| 21:29.52 | burne- | and fixed one bug |
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| 21:36.33 | burne- | badabababaaaa i guess il make a video then |
| 21:36.40 | burne- | enough progress to make another one |
| 21:37.57 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 21:41.26 | burne- | I think i could get better reactions if I didnt make videos so often |
| 21:41.28 | burne- | but oh well |
| 21:41.31 | burne- | who cares |
| 21:41.38 | burne- | not many watch my videos anyway |
| 21:42.13 | Mexa | hey burne`-? |
| 21:42.18 | Mexa | *burne- |
| 21:42.30 | Mexa | I could join if you like, for a shorty |
| 21:42.51 | Mexa | Whataver I was testing didn't work out well anyway |
| 21:42.51 | burne- | no need anymore |
| 21:42.57 | Mexa | aww :7 |
| 21:43.00 | burne- | lets do it another day |
| 21:43.06 | Mexa | Alrighty |
| 21:43.20 | burne- | you can enjoy my video once i upload it tough :) |
| 21:44.06 | burne- | what was your map mexa? |
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| 21:54.46 | JademusSreg | Time is done. |
| 21:54.53 | JademusSreg | Now for Round. =D |
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| 22:21.14 | tordy | where'd mephs go i miss him |
| 22:21.54 | JademusSreg | Sleeping, presumably. |
| 22:22.09 | AlphA_VsT | im alive though |
| 22:22.11 | tordy | is he |
| 22:22.13 | AlphA_VsT | yay |
| 22:22.24 | Mexa | Ugh.. now this is pretty scary... |
| 22:22.31 | AlphA_VsT | what is |
| 22:22.40 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 22:22.41 | Mexa | Apparantly my dad was blackmailed by the wall painter |
| 22:22.46 | Mexa | And.. |
| 22:22.53 | AlphA_VsT | what |
| 22:23.02 | Mexa | The wall painter was apparantly blackmailed by Hells Angels |
| 22:23.03 | Mexa | :V |
| 22:23.14 | AlphA_VsT | what |
| 22:23.35 | Mexa | Well, he hired a guy to do the painting on an outdoor wall of our house |
| 22:24.01 | Mexa | And a few days ago he sent a letter that if he didn't get his 25.000 euro, he would send H.A on my parents |
| 22:24.30 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 22:24.49 | Mexa | And him himself was blackmailed or eithe to depth of hells Angels for something happening last week |
| 22:24.54 | Mexa | <.< |
| 22:24.55 | AlphA_VsT | so some guy who got into a major problem decided to take it on out your parents |
| 22:25.06 | Mexa | Yeah |
| 22:25.36 | AlphA_VsT | call cops show letter profit |
| 22:25.37 | Mexa | Probably trying to rake in some cash from his customers |
| 22:25.51 | Mexa | They did show it to the police |
| 22:26.00 | Mexa | And they just thought he was trying to be a fraud |
| 22:26.11 | Mexa | They never believed the H.A part |
| 22:26.11 | AlphA_VsT | wrong cop |
| 22:26.14 | Mexa | Well |
| 22:26.20 | AlphA_VsT | hes in on it |
| 22:26.24 | AlphA_VsT | duh |
| 22:26.36 | Mexa | My dad was smart. As they couldn't contact the guy as he never replied on the phone, he went to his father |
| 22:26.44 | Mexa | And he told the entire thing |
| 22:26.47 | Mexa | And my dad recorded it |
| 22:26.58 | Mexa | And he is going to report it tomorrow.. |
| 22:27.15 | Mexa | Still, it freaks me out :\ |
| 22:27.37 | AlphA_VsT | fucking some loser trying to get out of shit by taking advantage of someone |
| 22:28.12 | Mexa | I know I even shouldn't take see his pov |
| 22:28.12 | Mexa | But if you were blackmailed |
| 22:28.12 | Mexa | And you had customers |
| 22:28.16 | Mexa | What would you do? |
| 22:28.27 | JademusSreg | Kill. |
| 22:28.31 | Mexa | Tell H.A to literally fuck up, to find themselves on your doorstep later to kill you? |
| 22:28.35 | AlphA_VsT | charge them extra fees |
| 22:28.42 | Mexa | Who? |
| 22:28.50 | Mexa | The customers` |
| 22:28.54 | AlphA_VsT | duh |
| 22:28.56 | Mexa | They wouldn't agreed |
| 22:28.57 | JademusSreg | The aggressors. |
| 22:29.11 | Mexa | I suppose he didnät have the money |
| 22:29.16 | AlphA_VsT | no shit |
| 22:29.21 | Mexa | <.x |
| 22:29.30 | tordy | mexa say hi to mephs fo rme |
| 22:29.32 | AlphA_VsT | this is very fucking obvious |
| 22:29.33 | tordy | mexa say hi to mephs for me |
| 22:29.36 | Mexa | okay |
| 22:29.41 | tordy | when he wakes up |
| 22:29.48 | tordy | is he awake yet |
| 22:29.51 | Mexa | If I am still here then Tordy |
| 22:29.57 | tordy | :[ |
| 22:30.07 | Mexa | AlphA, well |
| 22:30.09 | tordy | then i might need a backup |
| 22:30.17 | tordy | who else can alert mephs when he wakes up |
| 22:30.19 | Mexa | Ofcourse it is |
| 22:30.42 | Mexa | JademusSreg, having guns like you in US is not allowed |
| 22:30.44 | AlphA_VsT | hey Mephs`zzz tordy is lookign fo ryou |
| 22:30.46 | AlphA_VsT | there you go |
| 22:30.47 | Mexa | You can get a hunting license |
| 22:30.49 | AlphA_VsT | done |
| 22:30.54 | Mexa | To shoot birds and deers and similar |
| 22:31.06 | Mexa | But you simply just not walk in a store to buy a gun |
| 22:31.13 | Mexa | It's illegal .__ |
| 22:31.35 | AlphA_VsT | um thats pretty illegal here also :P |
| 22:31.48 | Mexa | Also Jade |
| 22:32.06 | Mexa | You know who H.A is right <.<? |
| 22:32.09 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 22:32.19 | Mexa | Would you simply shoot him? |
| 22:32.42 | Mexa | *someone from there |
| 22:32.44 | JademusSreg | In all things, apply intelligence. |
| 22:32.49 | Mexa | Well |
| 22:33.09 | Mexa | You said kill._. |
| 22:33.18 | JademusSreg | You must not behave as an opponent expects unless leveraging that expectation itself suits your purposes. |
| 22:33.24 | Xapti | WTF HAPPNED TO MY MAP? |
| 22:33.31 | Xapti | I freaking aved it like 7 times |
| 22:33.34 | Xapti | then uploaded it |
| 22:33.43 | Xapti | and it's freaking back to the way it was 20 hours ago |
| 22:33.50 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 22:33.55 | Mexa | Anyways |
| 22:34.04 | AlphA_VsT | saved it in wrong place |
| 22:34.06 | AlphA_VsT | kk |
| 22:34.16 | Mexa | I'm abit thoughtful about it now. |
| 22:34.26 | Xapti | there's no where else it's saved to. I just pressed the save no save as.. |
| 22:34.35 | Mexa | Both good and bad I am not living at home. |
| 22:35.29 | AlphA_VsT | save doesnt actually save duh |
| 22:36.20 | Mexa | Hye Jademus, btw, I checked that thing about the galaxy interpretator being faster running an ifstatement in another block, vs it being all written in the same function. |
| 22:36.38 | JademusSreg | Hm? |
| 22:36.42 | Mexa | Well |
| 22:37.06 | Mexa | My theory was, that it ran like if condition then statement else statement |
| 22:37.18 | Mexa | And that if true then statement else skip |
| 22:37.27 | Mexa | and if false then skip else statement |
| 22:37.42 | Mexa | Uhm, yeah I probably need to explain that better |
| 22:37.55 | tordy | guess what |
| 22:38.03 | tordy | there is a way to make banks super secure |
| 22:38.07 | tordy | not by obfuscation |
| 22:38.17 | Mexa | The theory was that skipping through an entire statement would take longer time, than skipping a call block solely |
| 22:38.58 | Mexa | Since it would not have to iterate through the same amount of tokens. |
| 22:39.31 | Mexa | I was wrong anyway, so if you just didnät figure out what the hell I am talking about, ignore it |
| 22:40.14 | Mexa | tordy, probably not |
| 22:40.31 | tordy | yea probably not |
| 22:40.35 | tordy | take a look at this anyway: |
| 22:40.35 | tordy | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siMxUc2_Rog&feature=player_embedded |
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| 22:42.49 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 22:46.48 | AlphA_VsT | i got a pretty good idea of how to secure my bank |
| 22:47.12 | AlphA_VsT | well enough for someone to not even want to bother trying to hack it |
| 22:49.27 | AlphA_VsT | step 1 single string step 2 add redundant cross check data step 3 md5 it step 4 md5 step 5 add encode the md5 string into the bank data string |
| 22:49.31 | AlphA_VsT | fuck you |
| 22:49.36 | AlphA_VsT | is step 6 |
| 22:50.22 | Mexa | And bank execution algoritm took too long is the next step |
| 22:50.30 | Mexa | Along with desync and left the game |
| 22:50.35 | Mexa | Profit |
| 22:50.37 | AlphA_VsT | nah you do it in steps |
| 22:50.37 | Mexa | :> |
| 22:50.57 | Mexa | I suppose |
| 22:51.08 | Mexa | If you even want to bother:P |
| 22:51.27 | AlphA_VsT | periodic saving |
| 22:51.56 | AlphA_VsT | in steps by player # |
| 22:52.01 | Mexa | Point being, since you can manipulate the sourcecode and run the map over battle.net singleplayer, to then generate a valid bank to use in multiplayer |
| 22:52.11 | Mexa | Whatever encoding/decoding is useless |
| 22:52.33 | Mexa | Grats. I broke it. |
| 22:52.36 | AlphA_VsT | how |
| 22:52.44 | AlphA_VsT | you created a empty bank |
| 22:52.52 | Mexa | no |
| 22:52.56 | AlphA_VsT | yes |
| 22:53.01 | Mexa | You can manipulate the sourcecode to generate a valid one |
| 22:53.40 | Mexa | Maps you downloaded in your case is not checksum validated if you are the only player in the game |
| 22:53.46 | Mexa | Thus, it can be altered |
| 22:53.51 | AlphA_VsT | of course it is |
| 22:53.56 | Mexa | No it isn't |
| 22:54.11 | Mexa | And an MPQ Edtior will prove that to you. |
| 22:54.42 | Mexa | It will only compare, custom maps at least, with other players |
| 22:54.55 | Mexa | To ensure not being asyncronous ingame |
| 22:55.04 | AlphA_VsT | im goign to md5 the string and goigng to encode the md5 within the string that gets saved to the bank |
| 22:55.04 | Mexa | But when you play alone. No check |
| 22:55.19 | Mexa | So what |
| 22:55.44 | Mexa | If they find where the process begin in saving your data |
| 22:56.00 | Mexa | They will be able to alter it |
| 22:56.13 | Mexa | No matter encryption |
| 22:56.42 | AlphA_VsT | then they can play by them selfs |
| 22:56.43 | Mexa | An obfuscater can probably hide the code pretty well |
| 22:56.46 | Mexa | No |
| 22:56.51 | Mexa | I told you |
| 22:57.10 | Mexa | You can alter the sourcecode to generate a fully functional multiplayer compatible bank file. |
| 22:57.40 | AlphA_VsT | ok well then im just going to use other players to check the hash pattern |
| 22:57.52 | AlphA_VsT | and if its invalid |
| 22:58.01 | Mexa | How will you do that |
| 22:58.20 | Dekar | can wait to grab some friends with generated banks to cause trouble |
| 22:58.32 | Mexa | The string generated will be valid from all other views, unless you specifically store other player data along with it |
| 22:58.54 | Mexa | player data of someone else, not yourself. |
| 22:59.26 | AlphA_VsT | on game start i will check a string and comapre it to others |
| 22:59.27 | Mexa | Which is not ideal anyway, because you can never ensure you are going to play with that person everytime. |
| 22:59.45 | Mexa | So |
| 23:00.12 | Mexa | Each player will have data which results in a hashsum being always the same? |
| 23:00.42 | Mexa | That sounds like plenty of hash collisions for me. |
| 23:00.59 | Mexa | Explain yourself:p |
| 23:01.02 | AlphA_VsT | i have not worked it out yet gosh :P |
| 23:01.22 | Dekar | bah, humbug! |
| 23:01.40 | Mexa | I'm just saying that the effort in doing something like it even, would be a waste of time. |
| 23:02.08 | Mexa | Or Blizzard could actually fix that map validation for an alone game... |
| 23:02.23 | AlphA_VsT | i just want to get to the point where the average person wont want to do it |
| 23:02.56 | Mexa | The average person wouldn't know how to manipulate the script |
| 23:03.01 | Mexa | I think |
| 23:03.33 | Mexa | But yeah, got you.. dundun |
| 23:04.03 | AlphA_VsT | even if its a basic check within the string to see if the data is vaild then im happy |
| 23:04.11 | Dekar | averaeg persons dont even edit unprotected banks |
| 23:04.26 | AlphA_VsT | true :P |
| 23:04.43 | Mexa | Yay, so we all saved time now:P |
| 23:04.50 | Dekar | yay |
| 23:04.52 | AlphA_VsT | im still doign it |
| 23:04.58 | Mexa | :) |
| 23:05.14 | AlphA_VsT | and i will let you crack it |
| 23:05.16 | Mexa | Btw Alpha, got any other new screens of your project? |
| 23:05.24 | Mexa | Sounds good :3 |
| 23:05.24 | AlphA_VsT | im working on the banks :P |
| 23:05.36 | Mexa | Alright |
| 23:05.37 | AlphA_VsT | just http://i.imgur.com/NcNIH.jpg |
| 23:05.46 | Mexa | Yeah |
| 23:05.48 | Mexa | got that one :D |
| 23:06.07 | AlphA_VsT | im working on the char creation |
| 23:06.10 | AlphA_VsT | screen |
| 23:06.27 | AlphA_VsT | while doing the bank |
| 23:06.32 | AlphA_VsT | so i can save it |
| 23:06.35 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 23:07.14 | AlphA_VsT | and ive set the max players to 14 lol |
| 23:07.20 | AlphA_VsT | i might lower it :D |
| 23:07.26 | AlphA_VsT | probably should |
| 23:08.10 | Mexa | Never seen that many games yet utilising the full of 14 players |
| 23:08.30 | AlphA_VsT | well this game takes so little processign power |
| 23:08.41 | AlphA_VsT | you wont see lag ever |
| 23:08.46 | AlphA_VsT | so its like |
| 23:08.48 | AlphA_VsT | why not |
| 23:09.00 | AlphA_VsT | omg clicking dialogs :D |
| 23:09.45 | Mexa | :> |
| 23:10.21 | AlphA_VsT | :P |
| 23:12.10 | JademusSreg | I'm setting something up. Screenshot time. |
| 23:12.51 | AlphA_VsT | oh my god |
| 23:12.52 | AlphA_VsT | no |
| 23:16.03 | Mexa | damn... Trackmania 2 looks so fun |
| 23:16.11 | Mexa | And pretty neat graphics |
| 23:16.21 | Mexa | wants already :v |
| 23:17.10 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 23:17.15 | Mexa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COnxtGZlHpA for those who feel interested |
| 23:19.13 | Mexa | It's almost impossible to imagine, but Trackmania 1 have a user database of about 8 million people D: |
| 23:19.25 | JademusSreg | Cool. |
| 23:19.37 | JademusSreg | I'll check out the video in a bit. |
| 23:19.49 | Mexa | super:p |
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| 23:22.02 | Mexa | Gotta hate alightly that they had to make a such video, with "flashy" camera movement though:> |
| 23:22.41 | AlphA_VsT | ? |
| 23:23.02 | Mexa | Well |
| 23:23.07 | AlphA_VsT | trackmania is stupid |
| 23:23.11 | AlphA_VsT | its on steam right |
| 23:23.13 | AlphA_VsT | and free |
| 23:23.18 | Mexa | It's on steam for sure |
| 23:23.21 | AlphA_VsT | single player was fun |
| 23:23.26 | Mexa | And without steam too |
| 23:23.37 | AlphA_VsT | i found it on steam |
| 23:23.39 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 23:23.43 | Mexa | free or paid expansions, it's just to choose |
| 23:23.49 | Mexa | Why si it stupid? |
| 23:24.03 | AlphA_VsT | the multiplayer maps are fucking dumb |
| 23:24.06 | Mexa | lol |
| 23:24.13 | AlphA_VsT | its all random shit |
| 23:24.25 | Mexa | It's user content |
| 23:24.30 | Mexa | Prety much all of it |
| 23:24.31 | AlphA_VsT | RANDOM SHIT |
| 23:24.41 | Mexa | No, they have brilliant ideas |
| 23:24.48 | Mexa | Taking the engine to the max at sometimes |
| 23:24.57 | AlphA_VsT | unplayable crap that cant be considered a racing game |
| 23:24.58 | Mexa | Smart stuff, some are hard |
| 23:25.01 | Mexa | lol |
| 23:25.06 | Mexa | amagwd |
| 23:25.28 | Mexa | You probably missed the entire point of the game |
| 23:25.37 | Mexa | :) |
| 23:25.47 | AlphA_VsT | single player was fun |
| 23:26.13 | Mexa | Gotta learn to pick the right servers then |
| 23:26.16 | Mexa | :> |
| 23:26.32 | Mexa | Also, the free version have this cluster statdium tracks |
| 23:26.52 | AlphA_VsT | didnt know there was a paid version |
| 23:26.59 | Mexa | Well you do now :3 |
| 23:27.01 | AlphA_VsT | i wouldnt buy it anyways |
| 23:27.05 | Mexa | I figured |
| 23:27.08 | Mexa | lol |
| 23:27.25 | Mexa | Still |
| 23:27.45 | Mexa | I was supposingly talking about trackmania 2. Looks better then, doesn't it? |
| 23:27.54 | AlphA_VsT | i went on the most popular ones and it was track shited on top of it self |
| 23:28.03 | Mexa | lol |
| 23:28.18 | Mexa | As told |
| 23:28.31 | Mexa | Missed the point of the game ;P |
| 23:28.42 | Mexa | Hey it's free isn't it |
| 23:29.01 | Mexa | And the graphics are pretty good for being this how many years old |
| 23:29.11 | AlphA_VsT | free and fun need to compute |
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| 23:29.24 | AlphA_VsT | free isnt good |
| 23:29.38 | AlphA_VsT | like i said i enjoyed the single player |
| 23:29.54 | AlphA_VsT | it was fun |
| 23:29.54 | Mexa | Free does not imply bad |
| 23:30.11 | Mexa | also, for being from 2003 it looks nice |
| 23:30.38 | AlphA_VsT | free does not also mean its good :P |
| 23:30.39 | Mexa | Free and fun do compute for me |
| 23:30.45 | Mexa | For this game |
| 23:31.04 | Mexa | But it may get repeditive if you are unskilled and play the free version:P |
| 23:31.23 | Mexa | Pretty quickly frankly |
| 23:31.23 | AlphA_VsT | i enjoyed the single player |
| 23:31.28 | Mexa | I heard |
| 23:31.39 | AlphA_VsT | i got gold in everything |
| 23:31.47 | Mexa | But you didn't get Nadeo |
| 23:31.51 | Mexa | :> |
| 23:32.02 | AlphA_VsT | what ever |
| 23:32.09 | AlphA_VsT | i played it so long ago |
| 23:32.20 | Mexa | I'm just being a fool |
| 23:32.29 | Mexa | So whatever indeed |
| 23:32.48 | Mexa | Asking though, what did you think about the trailer? |
| 23:34.12 | AlphA_VsT | wtf |
| 23:34.20 | AlphA_VsT | i didnt watch it |
| 23:34.21 | AlphA_VsT | :P |
| 23:34.32 | Mexa | aw, k |
| 23:34.38 | AlphA_VsT | when you return something in a function how do you use it haha |
| 23:34.52 | Mexa | huh |
| 23:35.09 | AlphA_VsT | i have a custom action that returns a string |
| 23:35.24 | Mexa | custom actions can't return anything in gui |
| 23:35.34 | Mexa | but if you make it a function, you can |
| 23:35.39 | AlphA_VsT | oh |
| 23:35.42 | AlphA_VsT | probably why |
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| 23:35.59 | Mexa | Pretty useless in reality, as actions and functions are the exact same thing when compiled |
| 23:36.22 | Mexa | The only difference is that blizzard wanted actions to always return void, and functions to return whatever they want. |
| 23:36.36 | AlphA_VsT | yeah thats silly |
| 23:38.38 | Mexa | Moving to the bed, brb |
| 23:39.50 | JademusSreg | All the End Condition Option cards are done. |
| 23:40.02 | AlphA_VsT | YAY!!!!! |
| 23:40.16 | JademusSreg | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/OptionCardPreview.jpg |
| 23:40.42 | Mexa | damn |
| 23:40.44 | Mexa | looks sweet |
| 23:41.29 | JademusSreg | Thanks. |
| 23:41.49 | Dekar | can anyone explain me |
| 23:42.07 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 23:42.15 | Dekar | how you create sc2 maps when you are paralyzed from the face down? |
| 23:42.25 | JademusSreg | Magic. |
| 23:42.41 | Dekar | Now I personally am disabled I cannot just go out and work a normal job, because in 2006 I was paralyzed from the face down, but that is another story for another time, it just explains why I have 16 hours a day to put into Tofu. |
| 23:42.42 | Dekar | wtf |
| 23:43.07 | AlphA_VsT | nice job on the round one JademusSreg |
| 23:43.36 | AlphA_VsT | wtf Dekar |
| 23:43.58 | Dekar | he posted it in the thread |
| 23:43.59 | Dekar | >_> |
| 23:44.07 | AlphA_VsT | who |
| 23:44.26 | Dekar | Dryeyece |
| 23:44.50 | AlphA_VsT | 0.o |
| 23:44.58 | AlphA_VsT | seriously? |
| 23:45.31 | AlphA_VsT | i think thats a joke? |
| 23:45.57 | Dekar | i have no idea, but it would explain the 9 months :p |
| 23:46.01 | JademusSreg | Thanks, Alph. |
| 23:46.10 | Dekar | if he is using one of these |
| 23:46.14 | Dekar | eye trackers |
| 23:46.23 | Dekar | to control the mouse and keyboard |
| 23:46.30 | Dekar | combined with the galaxy editor |
| 23:46.36 | AlphA_VsT | doesnt he play the map with you though |
| 23:46.50 | Dekar | no idea :p |
| 23:47.03 | Dekar | brain wave controller! |
| 23:47.26 | JademusSreg | The Time option bothers me a bit, otherwise I am pleased. |
| 23:48.05 | AlphA_VsT | i thought you where going to do a sand timer thingy forget the name 0.o |
| 23:48.11 | JademusSreg | Hourglass |
| 23:48.34 | AlphA_VsT | yeah |
| 23:48.49 | Dekar | so tofu is the biggest trollmap atm? |
| 23:49.04 | Dekar | or how should i interpret the video and stories of the creators |
| 23:49.06 | Dekar | :/ |
| 23:49.22 | Dekar | someone be my moral compass |
| 23:49.23 | Mexa | Now when to think of it and looking again |
| 23:49.32 | Mexa | Saying "Impressed?" makes it less impressed |
| 23:49.35 | Mexa | The UI is slick |
| 23:49.52 | Mexa | I hope it will go well. |
| 23:50.10 | Mexa | For aiur. |
| 23:50.41 | Mexa | Time for some TSL |
| 23:50.44 | Mexa | Seeya folks- |
| 23:50.45 | Dekar | time for bed |
| 23:50.47 | Dekar | night! |
| 23:50.52 | Mexa | Bye Dekar |
| 23:51.45 | Dekar | bye mexa! |
| 23:56.13 | JademusSreg | Bad storm here. The power may go out again. |
| 23:56.19 | AlphA_VsT | NOOOOOOOO |
| 23:59.36 | SilverSeraphim | hello |
| 23:59.42 | JademusSreg | Hi. |
| 23:59.47 | AlphA_VsT | hi |
| 23:59.50 | SilverSeraphim | =D |
