IRC log for #sc2mapster on 20110423

`00:07.01`	`JademusSreg`	`Hi.`
`00:07.26`	`JademusSreg`	`Who is hosting map night tonight?`
`00:07.31`	`Bounty`	`no clue`
`00:07.32`	`Bounty`	`but Jade`
`00:07.36`	`Bounty`	`i STILL cant get this crap to work`
`00:07.38`	`Bounty`	`nothing is working`
`00:07.44`	`Bounty`	`the models wont go away`
`00:07.58`	`Bounty`	`i think its a loop animation "dead"`
`00:08.00`	`Bounty`	`it plays death`
`00:08.04`	`Bounty`	`then loops "dead"`
`00:08.43`	`AlphA_VsT`	`poor b ounty which model again?`
`00:08.55`	`Bounty`	`GlobeStatue`
`00:09.09`	`Bounty`	`unit name Capitol Statue`
`00:09.13`	`Bounty`	`actor GlobeStatue`
`00:09.14`	`Bounty`	`also`
`00:09.18`	`Bounty`	`the Mengsk STatue does it to`
`00:09.20`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`Bounty, I lack experience with the data editor`
`00:09.25`	`Bounty`	`pretty much all doodads with death models`
`00:09.27`	`Bounty`	`have this issue`
`00:09.28`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`I have yet only looked around in it`
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`00:10.12`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`Bounty, it doesn't go away because it is affected by the physics engine`
`00:10.19`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`That is what I would say`
`00:10.23`	`Bounty`	`yeah`
`00:10.25`	`Bounty`	`thats what im thinking to`
`00:10.28`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`I noticed`
`00:10.28`	`Bounty`	`so how do i stop that`
`00:10.29`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`00:10.35`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`The statue with the globe you know?`
`00:10.42`	`Bounty`	`yeah`
`00:10.44`	`Bounty`	`the ball rolls down hill`
`00:10.45`	`Bounty`	`etc`
`00:10.47`	`Bounty`	`but i mean`
`00:10.59`	`Bounty`	`i want to use the more "egyptian" styled statues but they have no death models`
`00:11.00`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`If you destroy it and let is roll off the map falling down under the map`
`00:11.04`	`Bounty`	`so itll look really game`
`00:11.20`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`it will reset on the origin position:P`
`00:11.36`	`Bounty`	`no idea what you just said but`
`00:11.42`	`Bounty`	`i just want it to go away after it does`
`00:11.43`	`Bounty`	`dies*`
`00:11.44`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`00:11.45`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`A fun fact totally unrelated to anything`
`00:12.00`	`Bounty`	`i mean its cool and all`
`00:12.06`	`Bounty`	`but there are quite a few of these things`
`00:12.15`	`Bounty`	`i dont want stone balls rolling all over the map`
`00:12.23`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`:)`
`00:12.53`	`AlphA_VsT`	`lol`
`00:13.05`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`Sorry but my help is pretty wasteful on that manner`
`00:13.14`	`Bounty`	`i mean i could use the other statue model that i really wanna use`
`00:13.16`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`Anyways Bounty, I will wait to publish the map until tomorrow`
`00:13.19`	`Bounty`	`and make an explosion happen as its death`
`00:13.25`	`Bounty`	`but that will look so bad`
`00:13.28`	`Bounty`	`why mexa?`
`00:13.31`	`Bounty`	`WHY!?`
`00:13.34`	`Bounty`	`><`
`00:13.34`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`:3`
`00:13.38`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`Bedtime`
`00:13.48`	`Bounty`	`ah ok`
`00:13.48`	`Bounty`	`np`
`00:14.04`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`Better to publish when I know what I am doing`
`00:14.12`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`And the locale thingies anyway`
`00:14.20`	`Bounty`	`make sure you hide trigger errors`
`00:14.22`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`00:14.34`	`Bounty`	`I loooove errors`
`00:14.35`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`I can do that?`
`00:14.37`	`Bounty`	`if you havent already noticed`
`00:14.43`	`Bounty`	`yeah`
`00:14.52`	`Bounty`	`Map > Map Options > Click Hide Trigger Errors`
`00:15.01`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`ahÂ¨`
`00:15.03`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`lol`
`00:15.13`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`It's it better if you fix them instead?`
`00:15.15`	`Bounty`	`btw JademusSreg`
`00:15.22`	`Bounty`	`i wont be surprised if US Map Night wont happen YET again`
`00:15.27`	`Bounty`	`sometimes it Mexa`
`00:15.30`	`Bounty`	`sometimes it doesnt matter`
`00:15.34`	`Bounty`	`it is*`
`00:15.44`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`hm ok`
`00:15.48`	`Bounty`	`like that attachment error`
`00:15.52`	`Bounty`	`ive only been getting that recently`
`00:15.55`	`Bounty`	`on stuff ive always done`
`00:15.56`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`Well`
`00:15.57`	`Bounty`	`its no biggie`
`00:16.03`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`it didn't show ingame`
`00:16.08`	`Bounty`	`yeah`
`00:16.08`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`it showed in the editor`
`00:16.12`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`and in the debugger`
`00:16.13`	`Bounty`	`its just a annoying data error`
`00:16.32`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`Still implies something is wrong though:p`
`00:16.57`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`Well, alright`
`00:16.58`	`Bounty`	`If it runs, dont fix it`
`00:16.59`	`Bounty`	`thats my moto`
`00:17.05`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`heh`
`00:17.15`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`Somewhat`
`00:17.21`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`Good night y'all`
`00:17.25`	`Bounty`	`Night`
`00:42.14`	`JademusSreg`	`Well, I'm on tonight regardless.`
`00:45.02`	`Bounty`	`up for a quick test Jade?`
`00:45.06`	`Bounty`	`assuming map night hasnt started`
`00:59.35`	`nodgene`	`hur`
`00:59.39`	`nodgene`	`here lads`
`00:59.47`	`nodgene`	`where is the value for the energy cost in cloak`
`00:59.48`	`nodgene`	`:\`
`00:59.51`	`nodgene`	`per sec`
`01:00.00`	`nodgene`	`is it in the behaviour?`
`01:02.52`	`SilverSeraphim`	`what is Modal vs Non-modal for dialogs?`
`01:03.32`	`nodgene`	`nevermind, was in behaviour/unit/scroll down`
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`01:24.31`	`SilverSeraphim`	`anyone know how to hide the portrait?`
`01:24.51`	`SilverSeraphim`	`i tried: Portrait - Hide (Game portrait) for (All players) (Do Not force visible)`
`01:24.55`	`SilverSeraphim`	`but no luck =[`
`01:33.00`	`JademusSreg`	`You mean hide the portrait frame?`
`01:36.54`	`SilverSeraphim`	`yeah`
`01:37.01`	`SilverSeraphim`	`JademusSreg: i just can't seem to get it to work`
`01:37.25`	`SilverSeraphim`	`i'm also trying to follow Helral\|Afk 's tutorial for making my own command card frame, but i just seem to be doing it wrong`
`01:37.36`	`SilverSeraphim`	`no matter what i put in, it doesn't make anything`
`01:37.47`	`SilverSeraphim`	`http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/tutorials/20323-sc2layout-files-override-method-aiurchef-method/`
`01:38.01`	`SilverSeraphim`	`(end of the post, heading "How to create an image frame")`
`01:38.58`	`AlphA_VsT`	`i cant make those override ui work wither :(`
`01:42.50`	`JademusSreg`	`I can. =D`
`01:42.55`	`SilverSeraphim`	`=ooo`
`01:43.01`	`SilverSeraphim`	`well please enlighten us mortals!`
`01:43.31`	`JademusSreg`	`Anyway, hiding a standard frame is easy as using a trigger action / function call.`
`01:43.57`	`AlphA_VsT`	`how`
`01:44.12`	`JademusSreg`	`It's in the UI category.`
`01:44.22`	`SilverSeraphim`	`mine is stuck like this: http://i.imgur.com/QIueb.png`
`01:44.39`	`AlphA_VsT`	`well i need to remove all the ui and offset the command card off screen`
`01:45.05`	`SilverSeraphim`	`want to have ONLY the command card`
`01:45.33`	`SilverSeraphim`	`i want the command card to have a pretty border tho...`
`01:45.44`	`AlphA_VsT`	`lol`
`01:45.51`	`SilverSeraphim`	`it's important =[`
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`01:46.09`	`JademusSreg`	`I do it in my maps.`
`01:46.21`	`JademusSreg`	`I'll try to pastebin some code when I'm not busy.`
`01:46.30`	`SilverSeraphim`	`that would be wonderful`
`01:47.24`	`AlphA_VsT`	`it would be helpfull`
`01:47.38`	`AlphA_VsT`	`and ui editing app would be amazing`
`01:48.17`	`AlphA_VsT`	`for creating and editing ui items 0.o`
`01:48.17`	`SilverSeraphim`	`that would be pretty cool`
`01:50.09`	`SilverSeraphim`	`i like the Dialog Designer map for testing out dialog layouts, unfortunately export doesn't export any labels =p`
`01:50.15`	`SilverSeraphim`	`but still super useful`
`01:52.53`	`AlphA_VsT`	`how does that map work?`
`01:55.24`	`SilverSeraphim`	`it's amazing`
`01:55.27`	`SilverSeraphim`	`let me show you`
`01:55.43`	`SilverSeraphim`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySVbMcr78L4`
`01:55.51`	`SilverSeraphim`	`http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/dialog-designer/`
`01:56.40`	`AlphA_VsT`	`to much work`
`01:58.39`	`AlphA_VsT`	`i hate gettign this to work`
`01:59.51`	`SilverSeraphim`	`you just d/l the map and copy those banks into your My Documents/SC2`
`01:59.53`	`SilverSeraphim`	`=p`
`02:02.05`	`SilverSeraphim`	`oh awesome, got the portrait to be hidden`
`02:03.09`	`AlphA_VsT`	`yeah?`
`02:03.34`	`SilverSeraphim`	`yep, i used the trick from the 3rd example file in that post`
`02:03.42`	`SilverSeraphim`	`just offset the portait so it's off the screen`
`02:03.44`	`SilverSeraphim`	`lol`
`02:03.55`	`SilverSeraphim`	`wonder if it still renders and wastes processing power...`
`02:04.03`	`AlphA_VsT`	`of course it does`
`02:04.43`	`AlphA_VsT`	`yay`
`02:06.22`	`AlphA_VsT`	`fuck me grrr`
`02:07.52`	`SilverSeraphim`	`lol`
`02:08.51`	`AlphA_VsT`	`i suck at math`
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`02:17.13`	`AlphA_VsT`	`haha i cant count :D`
`02:17.17`	`AlphA_VsT`	`4 5 5 6 :D`
`02:29.30`	`AlphA_VsT`	`YAY ABOUT TIME`
`02:29.39`	`SilverSeraphim`	`things are working? =D`
`02:29.50`	`AlphA_VsT`	`for now`
`02:29.57`	`SilverSeraphim`	`nice`
`02:29.59`	`SilverSeraphim`	`grats =D`
`02:30.02`	`AlphA_VsT`	`but you know im famous for everything being broken`
`02:30.39`	`nodgene`	`is it possibl`
`02:30.47`	`nodgene`	`to make a unit temporarily invulnerable`
`02:31.42`	`AlphA_VsT`	`yes`
`02:31.49`	`AlphA_VsT`	`its a buff`
`02:31.59`	`nodgene`	`BUTBUT`
`02:32.06`	`nodgene`	`Could I make a unit invulnerable`
`02:32.09`	`nodgene`	`with triggers`
`02:32.13`	`AlphA_VsT`	`yes`
`02:32.16`	`nodgene`	`k`
`02:32.17`	`AlphA_VsT`	`give unit behvaiour`
`02:32.19`	`AlphA_VsT`	`:D`
`02:32.24`	`nodgene`	`but only for a brief time`
`02:32.31`	`AlphA_VsT`	`of course`
`02:32.33`	`nodgene`	`:O`
`02:32.34`	`AlphA_VsT`	`remove it`
`02:32.35`	`nodgene`	`sounds good`
`02:32.42`	`nodgene`	`in my map`
`02:32.43`	`AlphA_VsT`	`or set a time limit on the buff`
`02:32.49`	`AlphA_VsT`	`i do it in my map`
`02:32.57`	`AlphA_VsT`	`my new map`
`02:33.05`	`nodgene`	`But also, to freeze them?`
`02:33.09`	`nodgene`	`in time and space`
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`02:33.42`	`grenegg9`	`so is there map night (NA)?`
`02:33.58`	`AlphA_VsT`	`sure you can do that`
`02:34.06`	`AlphA_VsT`	`idono grenegg9`
`02:34.17`	`grenegg9`	`:(`
`02:34.29`	`grenegg9`	`looks like its not happening`
`02:34.37`	`grenegg9`	`even with my stream... :(`
`02:35.14`	`nodgene`	`sounds good alpha, sounds good`
`02:35.31`	`AlphA_VsT`	`awww`
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`02:37.38`	`tordy`	`what did i miss`
`02:37.39`	`tordy`	`!!!`
`02:37.42`	`tordy`	`JademusSreg:`
`02:39.10`	`AlphA_VsT`	`nothing`
`02:39.30`	`tordy`	`airg`
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`02:44.34`	`AlphA_VsT`	`Little miss random is back lol`
`02:44.39`	`AlphA_VsT`	`sigh`
`02:44.44`	`AlphA_VsT`	`i fucking hate these controls`
`02:44.52`	`AlphA_VsT`	`im to stubborn to change it :P`
`02:45.05`	`AlphA_VsT`	`i might hybrid it idono`
`02:46.04`	`AlphA_VsT`	`i tired a test idono if its possible sigh anyways`
`02:46.15`	`AlphA_VsT`	`should be`
`02:46.31`	`AlphA_VsT`	`im going to get this ui working first fuck it`
`02:46.40`	`AlphA_VsT`	`then SS time`
`02:48.43`	`SilverSeraphim`	`oh nuuuu`
`02:48.56`	`SilverSeraphim`	`my screen is filled with "Name of Dialog Itme not found"`
`02:49.46`	`JademusSreg`	`Hi.`
`02:49.52`	`SilverSeraphim`	`hi JademusSreg`
`02:50.26`	`AlphA_VsT`	`SilverSeraphim, 0.o`
`02:50.47`	`SilverSeraphim`	`AlphA_VsT: yeah, bad news`
`02:51.10`	`JademusSreg`	`What's going on?`
`02:51.15`	`SilverSeraphim`	`i don't get it. i name my dialog items, but then when i reference them later, they aren't found`
`02:51.17`	`JademusSreg`	`I was playing, but am now not.`
`02:51.32`	`AlphA_VsT`	`how are you saving them SilverSeraphim`
`02:51.48`	`SilverSeraphim`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:51.55`	`SilverSeraphim`	`something similar to that`
`02:52.07`	`AlphA_VsT`	`um what`
`02:52.13`	`JademusSreg`	`What is a name supposed to do? =\`
`02:52.19`	`AlphA_VsT`	`i have no idea`
`02:52.21`	`JademusSreg`	`I've never heard of such an odd thing.`
`02:52.24`	`AlphA_VsT`	`i didnt know you could do that`
`02:52.28`	`SilverSeraphim`	`lets you use the other function later to access that dialog item`
`02:52.33`	`SilverSeraphim`	`well it's a library`
`02:52.35`	`SilverSeraphim`	`someone built it`
`02:52.40`	`JademusSreg`	`I store dialogs in variables, and create label dialog items if I need text.`
`02:52.44`	`JademusSreg`	`Ah.`
`02:52.44`	`AlphA_VsT`	`SilverSeraphim, just use global variables`
`02:52.47`	`SilverSeraphim`	`http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/assisted-dialogs/`
`02:52.53`	`SilverSeraphim`	`AlphA_VsT: how do i do that?`
`02:52.56`	`JademusSreg`	`I don't know anything about someone's GUI library.`
`02:52.57`	`SilverSeraphim`	`i would love to learn =]`
`02:53.27`	`AlphA_VsT`	`you know how to make globals right SilverSeraphim ?`
`02:53.31`	`SilverSeraphim`	`yeah`
`02:53.41`	`SilverSeraphim`	`i just don't know how to get my dialog leaderboard to update based on them`
`02:53.52`	`AlphA_VsT`	`just make one for each dialog and items you want to track`
`02:53.58`	`AlphA_VsT`	`array it for the players`
`02:54.00`	`JademusSreg`	`Yup.`
`02:54.08`	`JademusSreg`	`Alph is spot on.`
`02:54.10`	`AlphA_VsT`	`and set variable = last created`
`02:54.17`	`SilverSeraphim`	`ohh`
`02:54.21`	`SilverSeraphim`	`ok i think i get it`
`02:54.23`	`SilverSeraphim`	`hang on`
`02:54.25`	`SilverSeraphim`	`let me try that`
`02:54.41`	`AlphA_VsT`	`i use globals constantly 0.o`
`02:54.58`	`AlphA_VsT`	`i like randomization :D`
`02:55.04`	`tordy`	`what's wrong with using globals`
`02:55.09`	`AlphA_VsT`	`nothing`
`02:55.52`	`AlphA_VsT`	`i just like them lol`
`02:56.16`	`tordy`	`hello`
`02:56.18`	`tordy`	`what did i miss`
`02:56.23`	`tordy`	`what patch is sc2 currently at`
`02:56.33`	`AlphA_VsT`	`no idea`
`02:56.39`	`JademusSreg`	`1.3.2?`
`02:57.35`	`AlphA_VsT`	`sounds right i was going to say 1.32`
`02:57.36`	`AlphA_VsT`	`lol`
`02:57.43`	`AlphA_VsT`	`so`
`02:58.06`	`tordy`	`omg sixen got invited to play HotS?`
`02:58.08`	`tordy`	`awesome`
`02:58.30`	`Sixen`	`=]`
`02:58.35`	`AlphA_VsT`	`lol`
`02:58.53`	`AlphA_VsT`	`all those new models :P`
`02:59.09`	`tordy`	`sixen giv those models to us! >:)`
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`02:59.35`	`TMA_Dryeyece`	`Hey everyone`
`02:59.57`	`AlphA_VsT`	`howdy`
`03:00.34`	`TMA_Dryeyece`	`Anyone know what the deal is with the editor adding ghost buttons to command cards? I have a couple of units whose command cards get "Unknown" buttons added on top of the ones I added no matter how many times I delete the dang things`
`03:00.52`	`AlphA_VsT`	`fuck`
`03:00.54`	`AlphA_VsT`	`yeah`
`03:01.11`	`AlphA_VsT`	`ive been having that issue with the commancard not updating`
`03:01.12`	`tordy`	`yes`
`03:01.14`	`TMA_Dryeyece`	`one of them gets 3 added on top of it and 2 added below it`
`03:01.30`	`tordy`	`any way to get ore than 4 pages of command cards`
`03:01.33`	`Dustin`	`:O`
`03:01.34`	`TMA_Dryeyece`	`it doesnt seem to affect the game but it sure is annoying in the editor`
`03:01.51`	`AlphA_VsT`	`why do you need more than 4?`
`03:01.55`	`AlphA_VsT`	`your doing it wrong`
`03:02.05`	`AlphA_VsT`	`:D`
`03:02.08`	`tordy`	`>:)`
`03:02.10`	`tordy`	`]`
`03:02.18`	`tordy`	`well i want all unit selections on one unit`
`03:02.22`	`tordy`	`unit purchases`
`03:02.22`	`TMA_Dryeyece`	`yeah what on earth would you do with 60 buttons?`
`03:02.24`	`tordy`	`on one unit`
`03:02.28`	`JademusSreg`	`tordy, yes.`
`03:02.30`	`JademusSreg`	`There is.`
`03:02.31`	`tordy`	`but they'll be more than 3 categories`
`03:02.32`	`TMA_Dryeyece`	`ahh`
`03:02.46`	`JademusSreg`	`Via direct XML editing.`
`03:02.47`	`tordy`	`pfft 60 buttons is nothing`
`03:02.53`	`tordy`	`besides i cant use all 60 buttons`
`03:02.58`	`tordy`	`since i want to categorize things`
`03:03.00`	`AlphA_VsT`	`?`
`03:03.08`	`AlphA_VsT`	`lol`
`03:03.12`	`tordy`	`JademusSreg how do you do it in xml`
`03:03.19`	`AlphA_VsT`	`:D`
`03:03.28`	`tordy`	`does it specify page numbers or something`
`03:03.34`	`JademusSreg`	`Extract the UnitData.xml from the map and add the extra command cards and the buttons.`
`03:03.36`	`AlphA_VsT`	`it does im sure`
`03:04.18`	`AlphA_VsT`	`does teh editor support the viewing of more than 4 pages?`
`03:04.31`	`tordy`	`if i open the editor will it break`
`03:04.36`	`JademusSreg`	`I'm not certain of the upper limit on command cards, but I know you can have more than 4 with complete certainty. The editor simply doesn't let you.`
`03:04.39`	`JademusSreg`	`Naw.`
`03:04.45`	`JademusSreg`	`It won't break anything.`
`03:04.46`	`tordy`	`what if i save`
`03:04.50`	`tordy`	`w/ the editor`
`03:04.51`	`SilverSeraphim`	`JademusSreg and AlphA_VsT: i'm not getting errors now, but the dialog doesn't update =\`
`03:04.56`	`JademusSreg`	`Dunno if it will erase the changes; I doubt it.`
`03:05.01`	`tordy`	`because i remember saving w/ the editor broke some xml "hacks"`
`03:05.09`	`AlphA_VsT`	`SilverSeraphim, are you updating once it cahnges?`
`03:05.16`	`SilverSeraphim`	`no, how do i do that?`
`03:05.43`	`SilverSeraphim`	`or maybe i am`
`03:05.49`	`SilverSeraphim`	`Dialog - Set Dialog Progress[Muscular][(Picked player)] current value to (Real(DNA Progress[Muscular][(Picked player)])) for (Player group((Picked player)))`
`03:06.04`	`AlphA_VsT`	`yeah`
`03:06.20`	`AlphA_VsT`	`you have to re run that when something changes`
`03:06.22`	`SilverSeraphim`	`will that "update" the dialog?`
`03:06.27`	`SilverSeraphim`	`oh yeah i am re-running it`
`03:06.34`	`AlphA_VsT`	`then it should be`
`03:06.37`	`SilverSeraphim`	`hmm`
`03:06.45`	`SilverSeraphim`	`is that the right way to do it?`
`03:07.07`	`tordy`	`cuz im black`
`03:07.13`	`TMA_Dryeyece`	`Anyone here familiar at all with morph abilities?`
`03:07.15`	`AlphA_VsT`	`add in a text message to see if its updating`
`03:07.24`	`AlphA_VsT`	`a little TMA_Dryeyece`
`03:07.36`	`SilverSeraphim`	`wait hang on. my loop has a RED dot on it`
`03:07.36`	`AlphA_VsT`	`but not since beta :P`
`03:07.39`	`SilverSeraphim`	`what does a red dot mean???`
`03:07.46`	`AlphA_VsT`	`somethings broken`
`03:07.56`	`AlphA_VsT`	`or its a display bug`
`03:07.56`	`SilverSeraphim`	`how do i know what is broken?!`
`03:08.06`	`AlphA_VsT`	`there would be another red dot`
`03:08.17`	`AlphA_VsT`	`copy pate the section`
`03:08.23`	`AlphA_VsT`	`see if it goes away`
`03:08.26`	`TMA_Dryeyece`	`Ok take what you will about TMA from this but Grimm morphs into something and I have up until tonight been using a model swap and behavior to do it but I want more out of it so I am training myself to do morphs painfully and slowly`
`03:08.33`	`SilverSeraphim`	`OH`
`03:08.39`	`SilverSeraphim`	`yeah i screwed it up`
`03:08.48`	`TMA_Dryeyece`	`now he morphs into the unir, gains the appropriate abilite severything works great except it still looks like the same unit`
`03:09.08`	`AlphA_VsT`	`the actor events`
`03:09.24`	`TMA_Dryeyece`	`do I still need to model swap the original unit?`
`03:09.26`	`AlphA_VsT`	`you need to destroy the actor and create the new one`
`03:09.44`	`AlphA_VsT`	`at least thats how it was in beta`
`03:09.47`	`TMA_Dryeyece`	`ohh ok I think I know what you mean`
`03:10.05`	`TMA_Dryeyece`	`there are actor messages for morhping I will look into that thanks!`
`03:10.15`	`AlphA_VsT`	`yeah its unitmorph.start or something`
`03:10.22`	`AlphA_VsT`	`or .unit.start`
`03:11.19`	`AlphA_VsT`	`yeah its a diffrent unit you just need to tell the actor hey time to change :D`
`03:12.45`	`TMA_Dryeyece`	`so I am just guessing int he dark here but it looks like in the original unit you do Ability Morph > Abil Name> Start > Destroy and same message but Cancel > Create`
`03:13.01`	`TMA_Dryeyece`	`and in the morhing into unit do that abil morph finish create`
`03:13.23`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Soultaker_ (18060e53@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.6.14.83)`
`03:13.28`	`TMA_Dryeyece`	`that is why they both need both morph abilities`
`03:13.28`	`Soultaker_`	`jade sorry i got dragged away :(`
`03:13.46`	`JademusSreg`	`No problem.`
`03:13.55`	`Soultaker_`	`im want to allow spectators`
`03:14.09`	`AlphA_VsT`	`yeah TMA_Dryeyece`
`03:14.33`	`AlphA_VsT`	`it only need the single morph ability`
`03:14.43`	`AlphA_VsT`	`the unit going to said unit`
`03:14.52`	`JademusSreg`	`So what's the problem Taker?`
`03:15.01`	`Soultaker_`	`how would i enable spactaors`
`03:15.09`	`Soultaker_`	`and what inpact will it have on triggers`
`03:15.18`	`Soultaker_`	`im worried they will be picked upby some triggers`
`03:15.19`	`TMA_Dryeyece`	`but how will its actor properly recieve the finish on the morph ability to create? if it doesnt have the ability that morphed it into what it is?`
`03:15.23`	`JademusSreg`	`It should be enabled by default.`
`03:15.46`	`JademusSreg`	`And you need to check each player if they watchers.`
`03:15.53`	`JademusSreg`	`I do it in Identificationary.`
`03:16.00`	`Soultaker_`	`it wont let me do it in lobby?`
`03:16.03`	`AlphA_VsT`	`TMA_Dryeyece, its morphfrom and morphto`
`03:16.06`	`AlphA_VsT`	`or some shit`
`03:16.16`	`JademusSreg`	`It should let you Taker.`
`03:16.21`	`Soultaker_`	`it doesnt?`
`03:16.31`	`Soultaker_`	`its grewed out`
`03:16.36`	`Soultaker_`	`let me check agian`
`03:16.38`	`Soultaker_`	`to make sure`
`03:16.46`	`JademusSreg`	`If it's not a question, where is there a question mark? Confuzzling.`
`03:16.52`	`JademusSreg`	`*why`
`03:18.18`	`JademusSreg`	`(GameAttributePlayerValue(GA_ParticipantRole, index) == GA_ParticipantRoleWatcher) will return true for spectators and referees.`
`03:18.25`	`AlphA_VsT`	`so when the unit starts morphingto a unit you destory or when it finishes and on the unit it morphs into you say morphfrom.originalunit.finish create`
`03:18.30`	`JademusSreg`	`Sorry, let me fix that.`
`03:18.30`	`AlphA_VsT`	`or something like that`
`03:18.38`	`AlphA_VsT`	`TMA_Dryeyece, make sense?`
`03:18.42`	`SilverSeraphim`	`JademusSreg: what do i do if i changed the default camera distance and so now all the unit sounds are too quiet and the ambience is too loud?`
`03:19.00`	`JademusSreg`	`(GameAttributePlayerValue("[bnet:Core (Mod)/0.0/999,file:Mods/Core.SC2Mod]3007", index) == GA_ParticipantRoleWatcher)`
`03:19.11`	`Soultaker_`	`ya`
`03:19.14`	`SilverSeraphim`	`also, global variables work perfectly for my leaderboard dialog =]`
`03:19.15`	`TMA_Dryeyece`	`no cuz I dont see morph to or morph from anywhere`
`03:19.17`	`Soultaker_`	`it wont allow spectators`
`03:19.19`	`JademusSreg`	`Damn.`
`03:19.26`	`JademusSreg`	`(GameAttributePlayerValue("[bnet:Core (Mod)/0.0/999,file:Mods/Core.SC2Mod]3007", index) == "Watc")`
`03:19.37`	`AlphA_VsT`	`wtf is that`
`03:19.40`	`TMA_Dryeyece`	`all I see is Ability Morph and it has Finish Cancel and Start as options for the message`
`03:19.47`	`JademusSreg`	`I used constants to store the strings so it wouldn't clutter my script.`
`03:19.59`	`AlphA_VsT`	`hold on TMA_Dryeyece`
`03:20.26`	`JademusSreg`	`Silver, you can change the sound roll off.`
`03:21.02`	`SilverSeraphim`	`JademusSreg: awesome, where do i do that?`
`03:21.11`	`AlphA_VsT`	`haha TMA_Dryeyece they changed it :( maybe thats why my morphs broke :P`
`03:21.19`	`JademusSreg`	`There should be a global setting, some sort of sound roll off factor, but I'm not sure where it is.`
`03:21.29`	`TMA_Dryeyece`	`we will see I am just about to test it again`
`03:21.35`	`JademusSreg`	`And each individual sound have their roll offs defined in the data.`
`03:21.45`	`TMA_Dryeyece`	`if not it shohldnt be a huge problem to just model swap the unit`
`03:22.05`	`SilverSeraphim`	`JademusSreg: ty ty i'll look for it`
`03:23.26`	`TMA_Dryeyece`	`wewt it works exactly how I described`
`03:23.32`	`JademusSreg`	`Someone in the mapster channel on bnet invited me to a game without me realizing, a map which I proceeded to trash. Epic Battles, I think it was.`
`03:23.33`	`TMA_Dryeyece`	`thanks to what you told me lol`
`03:23.48`	`AlphA_VsT`	`well im glad i helped`
`03:23.50`	`AlphA_VsT`	`:P`
`03:23.55`	`TMA_Dryeyece`	`8-)`
`03:24.24`	`TMA_Dryeyece`	`what gets my goat right now is that its way easier to do the morph than it was to set up the behavior and model swapping`
`03:24.32`	`SilverSeraphim`	`can i change the color of an actually progress BAR as well as it's outline?`
`03:24.48`	`JademusSreg`	`Silver, depends.`
`03:25.24`	`SilverSeraphim`	`http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/triggers/14429-color-progress-bar/`
`03:25.29`	`SilverSeraphim`	`looks like extra work =\`
`03:25.36`	`JademusSreg`	`With dialogs, you can change pretty much anything you want. If you mean the progress pars used in the unit info card for buffs and timed life, that can be trickier.`
`03:25.38`	`AlphA_VsT`	`im sure TMA_Dryeyece lol`
`03:26.19`	`SilverSeraphim`	`not important right now really. i'll worry about it later`
`03:27.29`	`SilverSeraphim`	`how often is it reasonable to update a dialog? right now i'm doing 1.0 seconds`
`03:27.31`	`JademusSreg`	`Taker, did what I showed you help? That expression will detect any spectators.`
`03:27.46`	`JademusSreg`	`Silver, I update whenever any change occurs.`
`03:27.52`	`JademusSreg`	`Rather than periodically.`
`03:27.58`	`SilverSeraphim`	`well i have progress bars that slowly fill up`
`03:28.02`	`JademusSreg`	`Ah.`
`03:28.07`	`SilverSeraphim`	`xD`
`03:28.29`	`JademusSreg`	`For anything timed for precision, I run 32 times per game second.`
`03:28.37`	`SilverSeraphim`	`=O`
`03:28.41`	`SilverSeraphim`	`can starcraft even handle that?!`
`03:28.44`	`JademusSreg`	`But you probably don't need that much precision.`
`03:28.52`	`JademusSreg`	`Warcraft 3 could handle more.`
`03:28.57`	`SilverSeraphim`	`i was gonna try every 0.1 seconds`
`03:29.01`	`SilverSeraphim`	`but i was afraid....`
`03:29.38`	`TMA_Dryeyece`	`that is how starcraft 2 itself works`
`03:29.50`	`JademusSreg`	`1/32 game second is the basic unit of time in SC2, and everything follows it.`
`03:30.04`	`TMA_Dryeyece`	`its on this big ass loop that happens like 16 times or that 32 times a second`
`03:30.04`	`SilverSeraphim`	`oh`
`03:30.11`	`AlphA_VsT`	`hahahaha`
`03:30.12`	`TMA_Dryeyece`	`thats how validators that remove behaviors and stuff work`
`03:30.27`	`SilverSeraphim`	`hmmmm`
`03:30.29`	`AlphA_VsT`	`yeah`
`03:30.59`	`AlphA_VsT`	`SilverSeraphim, you shouldnt need to update it more than 1once a second 0.o`
`03:31.01`	`AlphA_VsT`	`reaslly`
`03:31.15`	`SilverSeraphim`	`well i don't REALLY need to update more than 1/sec`
`03:31.25`	`SilverSeraphim`	`it would just makes the progress bars smooth and pretty`
`03:31.28`	`SilverSeraphim`	`haha`
`03:31.31`	`JademusSreg`	`How many pixels width is it?`
`03:31.46`	`SilverSeraphim`	`170`
`03:32.05`	`JademusSreg`	`And what is the duration it covers in game time?`
`03:32.24`	`AlphA_VsT`	`oh shit JademusSreg getting all mathy`
`03:32.31`	`SilverSeraphim`	`i... i don't know what that means`
`03:32.33`	`JademusSreg`	`I think you see where I'm going with this.`
`03:32.48`	`SilverSeraphim`	`i'm afraid i don't, but AlphA_VsT might`
`03:32.54`	`SilverSeraphim`	`please explain it to me simply?`
`03:33.08`	`JademusSreg`	`Pardon, I should ask, what sort of progress bar is it?`
`03:33.30`	`JademusSreg`	`What is it representing?`
`03:33.33`	`SilverSeraphim`	`oh ok`
`03:33.45`	`SilverSeraphim`	`it shows you how soon you'll be getting another point to spend`
`03:34.11`	`JademusSreg`	`Is that time dependent or dependent on some other factor?`
`03:34.14`	`SilverSeraphim`	`so you have say a growth rate of 6, then every second you get 6% of the progress bar filling up`
`03:34.28`	`SilverSeraphim`	`when it hits 100% you get the point to spend and the progress bar goes back to 0%`
`03:34.38`	`SilverSeraphim`	`(unless it rolled over in which case it's a little abve 05)`
`03:34.42`	`SilverSeraphim`	`*0%)`
`03:35.14`	`AlphA_VsT`	`i suck at math really haha i know what you where doing though :P`
`03:35.38`	`JademusSreg`	`Basically, if it is time dependent, you can figure out the optimal update rate.`
`03:35.51`	`JademusSreg`	`Using the width in pixels and duration.`
`03:36.13`	`JademusSreg`	`Optimal as in both computationally and visually.`
`03:36.38`	`AlphA_VsT`	`wouldnt he also need the current amount of growth rate`
`03:36.41`	`JademusSreg`	`If the interval between updates is too high, it will appear to jump, not very smooth.`
`03:37.04`	`SilverSeraphim`	`yeah that's what happens now`
`03:37.07`	`SilverSeraphim`	`at 1.0 sec`
`03:37.07`	`JademusSreg`	`Alph, as I said, if it was only time dependent, then width and duration would be all that is needed.`
`03:37.18`	`AlphA_VsT`	`oh yeah`
`03:37.24`	`AlphA_VsT`	`im bad with maths`
`03:37.24`	`JademusSreg`	`But if there are other factors involved, you have two choices.`
`03:37.24`	`AlphA_VsT`	`:P`
`03:37.34`	`SilverSeraphim`	`do i have other factors involved?`
`03:37.43`	`SilverSeraphim`	`i mean the rate changes`
`03:37.49`	`AlphA_VsT`	`yes`
`03:37.50`	`SilverSeraphim`	`as you build buildings your rate increases`
`03:38.06`	`AlphA_VsT`	`and so will you need to update the bar`
`03:38.09`	`SilverSeraphim`	`so you'll get 7/sec and then 8/sec`
`03:38.20`	`JademusSreg`	`You can either adjust the interval dynamically or use the interval that will account for the highest valid rate.`
`03:38.27`	`SilverSeraphim`	`oh`
`03:38.37`	`AlphA_VsT`	`i would go with dynamic`
`03:38.39`	`AlphA_VsT`	`:P`
`03:38.54`	`SilverSeraphim`	`well the problem with that is there are 4 bars actually`
`03:38.58`	`SilverSeraphim`	`because there are 4 currencies`
`03:39.06`	`JademusSreg`	`No problem there.`
`03:39.08`	`SilverSeraphim`	`and they will all have different rates`
`03:39.11`	`SilverSeraphim`	`that can change`
`03:39.11`	`AlphA_VsT`	`so? custom function`
`03:39.12`	`SilverSeraphim`	`=p`
`03:39.17`	`JademusSreg`	`If anything, you get to reused the same approach.`
`03:39.20`	`JademusSreg`	`Saves you time.`
`03:39.25`	`AlphA_VsT`	`yes`
`03:39.32`	`AlphA_VsT`	`CUSTOM FUNCTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!`
`03:39.38`	`SilverSeraphim`	`wait are you saying i could dynamically update each bar rather than updating all the bars at once?`
`03:39.46`	`SilverSeraphim`	`o`
`03:39.47`	`SilverSeraphim`	`m`
`03:39.47`	`SilverSeraphim`	`g`
`03:39.52`	`AlphA_VsT`	`OMG!!!!!!`
`03:39.54`	`SilverSeraphim`	`i don't think i even want to try that`
`03:40.00`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes, but like I said, each approach has its benefits and costs.`
`03:40.05`	`SilverSeraphim`	`it hurts my brain just imagining imagning it`
`03:40.17`	`AlphA_VsT`	`CUSTOM FUNCTIONS!!!!!!!`
`03:40.32`	`SilverSeraphim`	`i think i would rather just update at 0.1 sec instead of 1.0 and see how it looks`
`03:40.42`	`SilverSeraphim`	`but then i have to divide EVERYTHING by 10...`
`03:40.44`	`SilverSeraphim`	`yuck`
`03:40.52`	`SilverSeraphim`	`WAIT!`
`03:41.01`	`SilverSeraphim`	`i can just MULTIPLY my constants by 10`
`03:41.02`	`SilverSeraphim`	`i think...`
`03:41.13`	`SilverSeraphim`	`no no, i would divide them by 10 as well`
`03:41.16`	`SilverSeraphim`	`and they are integers`
`03:41.18`	`SilverSeraphim`	`and not reals`
`03:41.21`	`SilverSeraphim`	`badness`
`03:41.35`	`Dustin`	`I wish setting an images width to 0 wouldnt make it show the img at a random width`
`03:41.39`	`AlphA_VsT`	`if your going to run that every .1 sec your going to have increased slwo downs later`
`03:41.50`	`SilverSeraphim`	`i am?`
`03:42.13`	`SilverSeraphim`	`but you guys told me SC2 does a kabillion calcs every 1/32nd of a game second?`
`03:42.27`	`AlphA_VsT`	`that doesnt mean you should :D`
`03:42.31`	`SilverSeraphim`	`0.1 sec is certainly less than that...`
`03:42.35`	`SilverSeraphim`	`it doesn't make sense!`
`03:42.49`	`AlphA_VsT`	`time it takes to run the script`
`03:42.50`	`AlphA_VsT`	`0.o`
`03:43.03`	`SilverSeraphim`	`yeah i guess`
`03:43.10`	`SilverSeraphim`	`but SC2 is just a whole bunch of scripts right`
`03:43.17`	`SilverSeraphim`	`why are triggers slower?`
`03:43.28`	`AlphA_VsT`	`they arnt`
`03:43.44`	`SilverSeraphim`	`then they shouldn't cause any slowdown`
`03:44.06`	`SilverSeraphim`	`well i'll just leave it at 1.0 sec for now`
`03:44.13`	`SilverSeraphim`	`that can be a beta thing if i wanna change it`
`03:44.16`	`SilverSeraphim`	`it doesn't affect gameply`
`03:44.24`	`AlphA_VsT`	`lol`
`03:44.28`	`SilverSeraphim`	`=p`
`03:44.46`	`JademusSreg`	`Thread creation, too many threads, too many ops per thread within a time increment, these all can cause laggy performance.`
`03:45.04`	`SilverSeraphim`	`oh`
`03:45.07`	`AlphA_VsT`	`yeah he said it better`
`03:45.32`	`JademusSreg`	`Fortunately, a single thread can perform nearly 2 million operations within a time increment before it crashes, in case you were wondering.`
`03:45.45`	`AlphA_VsT`	`really`
`03:46.05`	`JademusSreg`	`Yeah.`
`03:46.39`	`AlphA_VsT`	`and then it gives the error took to long? or is that for infinite loops?`
`03:46.48`	`JademusSreg`	`My tests show an op limit between 1.8 and 2.4 million.`
`03:46.53`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes, correct.`
`03:47.04`	`AlphA_VsT`	`good to know :D`
`03:48.22`	`JademusSreg`	`If you have a thread that needs to perform more ops than that, try to track the number of ops and break up large amounts with a Wait(0,c_timeGame)`
`03:48.40`	`JademusSreg`	`I don't know how many ops are needed exactly to cause lag.`
`03:48.51`	`JademusSreg`	`Like, terrible laggy performance.`
`03:48.56`	`AlphA_VsT`	`lol`
`03:48.58`	`JademusSreg`	`But it's pretty high.`
`03:49.05`	`AlphA_VsT`	`i try to keep it low`
`03:49.09`	`Dustin`	`anyone wanna hop on and test my map real quick?`
`03:49.16`	`JademusSreg`	`Sure Dustin.`
`03:50.01`	`Dustin`	`woot, just need to do a quick test to make sure shit works mp`
`03:50.22`	`JademusSreg`	`I'm in the mapster channel.`
`03:50.49`	`Dustin`	`k gonna publish and ill be on`
`03:51.39`	`JademusSreg`	`I've got people inviting me to Photon Cycles. Be quick!`
`03:51.46`	`JademusSreg`	`I have poor impulse control. =D`
`03:53.52`	`AlphA_VsT`	`lol JademusSreg`
`04:05.21`	`AlphA_VsT`	`sigh`
`04:20.00`	`AlphA_VsT`	`sweet`
`04:20.25`	`AlphA_VsT`	`got my snipe ability working lol`
`04:22.14`	`AlphA_VsT`	`actually my zoom lol`
`04:24.40`	`AlphA_VsT`	`JademusSreg, its come a long way since you last played it lol`
`04:24.59`	`AlphA_VsT`	`though the movement needs a but more tweaking still 0.o`
`04:34.23`	`tordy`	`yes it has`
`04:34.48`	`AlphA_VsT`	`?`
`04:35.19`	`AlphA_VsT`	`tordy, tordy tordy whats going on`
`04:36.22`	`AlphA_VsT`	`?`
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`04:40.15`	`tordy`	`damnit!`
`04:40.39`	`AlphA_VsT`	`what?`
`04:42.37`	`AlphA_VsT`	`im lonely its so slow in here`
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`04:50.42`	`SilverSeraphim`	`is there an easy way to have a trigger place buildings but attempt to put them in the LEFT side of a region first?`
`04:50.52`	`SilverSeraphim`	`like fill a region left to right each time the trigger places a building?`
`04:55.19`	`SilverSeraphim`	`AlphA_VsT: are you there?`
`04:55.33`	`AlphA_VsT`	`sorry yeah`
`04:55.49`	`AlphA_VsT`	`didnt i tell you that`
`04:55.51`	`AlphA_VsT`	`haha`
`04:56.05`	`SilverSeraphim`	`moving a region?`
`04:56.12`	`AlphA_VsT`	`yeah`
`04:56.18`	`SilverSeraphim`	`how do i do that?`
`04:56.27`	`AlphA_VsT`	`you move region lol`
`04:57.24`	`SilverSeraphim`	`but you can't move a region based on where it currently is can you?`
`04:58.06`	`AlphA_VsT`	`sure you can`
`04:58.38`	`SilverSeraphim`	`i don't understand how`
`04:58.46`	`SilverSeraphim`	`move region to point with offset??`
`04:59.08`	`SilverSeraphim`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:59.32`	`AlphA_VsT`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:59.39`	`AlphA_VsT`	`repalce empty with yoru region`
`05:00.56`	`AlphA_VsT`	`you can also create a region to check back on later`
`05:01.23`	`SilverSeraphim`	`not sure what you mean?`
`05:01.27`	`AlphA_VsT`	`ok`
`05:01.29`	`AlphA_VsT`	`so`
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`05:04.14`	`AlphA_VsT`	`you have to create a variable as a region`
`05:04.16`	`AlphA_VsT`	`and tehn`
`05:04.50`	`AlphA_VsT`	`name it liek old region`
`05:04.55`	`AlphA_VsT`	`and then before you move it`
`05:05.41`	`AlphA_VsT`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:05.44`	`AlphA_VsT`	`that should do it`
`05:05.46`	`SilverSeraphim`	`oh ok right`
`05:06.03`	`SilverSeraphim`	`ok, tell me this, how did you get arithmetic in your region movement?`
`05:06.19`	`AlphA_VsT`	`Postion: postion from xy`
`05:06.24`	`AlphA_VsT`	`err point`
`05:07.25`	`AlphA_VsT`	`Move Region`
`05:07.25`	`AlphA_VsT`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:07.26`	`AlphA_VsT`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:07.26`	`AlphA_VsT`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:07.26`	`AlphA_VsT`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:07.26`	`AlphA_VsT`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:07.28`	`AlphA_VsT`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:07.30`	`AlphA_VsT`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:07.34`	`AlphA_VsT`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:07.36`	`AlphA_VsT`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:07.38`	`AlphA_VsT`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:07.38`	`JademusSreg`	`Abomination!`
`05:07.40`	`AlphA_VsT`	`make it simple`
`05:07.44`	`AlphA_VsT`	`I know`
`05:07.46`	`AlphA_VsT`	`right`
`05:07.47`	`JademusSreg`	`=D`
`05:07.48`	`AlphA_VsT`	`:D`
`05:08.12`	`AlphA_VsT`	`IM the king of GUI!!!!!!!`
`05:08.27`	`AlphA_VsT`	`dont hate`
`05:09.28`	`SilverSeraphim`	`wow`
`05:09.33`	`SilverSeraphim`	`that is insane`
`05:09.45`	`AlphA_VsT`	`how is that insane?`
`05:09.52`	`SilverSeraphim`	`insane maths`
`05:10.03`	`AlphA_VsT`	`well make sure its right`
`05:10.04`	`AlphA_VsT`	`then`
`05:10.08`	`AlphA_VsT`	`cause i fail at math`
`05:10.13`	`SilverSeraphim`	`same`
`05:10.16`	`AlphA_VsT`	`is x up and down or left and right?`
`05:10.20`	`AlphA_VsT`	`lol`
`05:10.23`	`SilverSeraphim`	`left/right`
`05:10.24`	`AlphA_VsT`	`what ev`
`05:10.40`	`AlphA_VsT`	`should work`
`05:10.45`	`AlphA_VsT`	`at least you get the point`
`05:10.49`	`SilverSeraphim`	`we are about to find out!`
`05:11.08`	`SilverSeraphim`	`i don't think it worked`
`05:11.15`	`SilverSeraphim`	`but maybe i made a mistake somewhere else`
`05:11.15`	`AlphA_VsT`	`lol`
`05:12.07`	`AlphA_VsT`	`blame me its ok`
`05:15.08`	`SilverSeraphim`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:15.12`	`SilverSeraphim`	`i think it needed to be that`
`05:15.18`	`SilverSeraphim`	`so that Y doesn't chnage`
`05:15.33`	`SilverSeraphim`	`cause 0.0 for Y would be the top of the screen`
`05:17.11`	`AlphA_VsT`	`no`
`05:17.23`	`AlphA_VsT`	`or yeah`
`05:17.26`	`SilverSeraphim`	`=p`
`05:17.48`	`AlphA_VsT`	`or no`
`05:18.00`	`AlphA_VsT`	`now im confused`
`05:18.12`	`AlphA_VsT`	`oh yeah`
`05:18.28`	`AlphA_VsT`	`that makes sense`
`05:18.36`	`SilverSeraphim`	`no it's moving right AND down now...`
`05:18.41`	`AlphA_VsT`	`no shit`
`05:18.43`	`AlphA_VsT`	`:D`
`05:19.13`	`AlphA_VsT`	`see`
`05:19.16`	`AlphA_VsT`	`its wrong`
`05:19.28`	`AlphA_VsT`	`but alsmot right`
`05:20.05`	`AlphA_VsT`	`also do top right`
`05:20.07`	`AlphA_VsT`	`:P`
`05:20.09`	`AlphA_VsT`	`for y`
`05:20.18`	`SilverSeraphim`	`aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah`
`05:20.24`	`AlphA_VsT`	`and then - the height`
`05:21.07`	`SilverSeraphim`	`how do regions measure x,y?`
`05:21.14`	`SilverSeraphim`	`center of the region or top left corner?`
`05:22.07`	`SilverSeraphim`	`ok it must have been center`
`05:22.09`	`SilverSeraphim`	`it's working now`
`05:22.10`	`AlphA_VsT`	`your telling it from the top right`
`05:22.20`	`AlphA_VsT`	`you could say center`
`05:22.26`	`SilverSeraphim`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:22.29`	`SilverSeraphim`	`works =p`
`05:22.35`	`SilverSeraphim`	`except the region is a little too big`
`05:22.56`	`AlphA_VsT`	`yeah make it the size of the building`
`05:23.23`	`SilverSeraphim`	`yeah`
`05:23.35`	`AlphA_VsT`	`if you have diffrent size buildings it could get messy :P`
`05:23.43`	`AlphA_VsT`	`or you could just deal with it`
`05:24.14`	`AlphA_VsT`	`but your best bet is to save the last created building into an array`
`05:24.31`	`AlphA_VsT`	`then move the region a bit`
`05:24.39`	`AlphA_VsT`	`and check if unit is in region`
`05:24.50`	`AlphA_VsT`	`if not stay else move a little bit`
`05:26.00`	`SilverSeraphim`	`yeah that's a good idea`
`05:26.36`	`AlphA_VsT`	`and then you should save the starting postion of the region into an array then once you get to the end of a line`
`05:26.51`	`AlphA_VsT`	`reset it and check the move on the down direction`
`05:27.55`	`SilverSeraphim`	`ok i still don't understand the trigger we wrote though`
`05:28.32`	`AlphA_VsT`	`what part lol`
`05:28.35`	`SilverSeraphim`	`why do we take X of TopRight of region?`
`05:28.39`	`SilverSeraphim`	`why not X of Center of Region`
`05:28.43`	`SilverSeraphim`	`+ width of region`
`05:28.50`	`AlphA_VsT`	`because its the same thing`
`05:28.56`	`AlphA_VsT`	`you can cahgne it`
`05:28.58`	`SilverSeraphim`	`whaaaat`
`05:29.03`	`SilverSeraphim`	`how is that the same?`
`05:29.12`	`AlphA_VsT`	`um`
`05:29.30`	`AlphA_VsT`	`point + with of region isnt going to cahnge`
`05:29.36`	`SilverSeraphim`	`X of top right will be like 500 and X of center will be like 450`
`05:30.09`	`SilverSeraphim`	`+ width of say 100`
`05:30.11`	`AlphA_VsT`	`oh i guess your right`
`05:30.18`	`AlphA_VsT`	`im bad at math`
`05:30.20`	`SilverSeraphim`	`lol`
`05:30.27`	`AlphA_VsT`	`i told you this`
`05:30.33`	`AlphA_VsT`	`i tell everyone`
`05:30.49`	`SilverSeraphim`	`=]`
`05:31.10`	`AlphA_VsT`	`it actually should be bottom left`
`05:31.25`	`SilverSeraphim`	`MATH: The Great Destroyer`
`05:31.31`	`SilverSeraphim`	`don't mess with me man`
`05:31.32`	`AlphA_VsT`	`i thought it was topp-left when i picked it`
`05:31.34`	`SilverSeraphim`	`it should be CENTER`
`05:31.38`	`AlphA_VsT`	`which would make the most sense`
`05:31.39`	`AlphA_VsT`	`NO`
`05:31.51`	`SilverSeraphim`	`ok why not`
`05:31.57`	`AlphA_VsT`	`ok`
`05:32.38`	`AlphA_VsT`	`say center is 50 and its wide by 100 you will end up at 150 if you use bottom left it will be at 0 and it will move 100`
`05:32.52`	`AlphA_VsT`	`so it will be at the edge of the last region`
`05:33.30`	`AlphA_VsT`	`which was what i was trying to do in the first place but i read it wrong and thought it was from the left not right`
`05:33.37`	`AlphA_VsT`	`see`
`05:34.58`	`SilverSeraphim`	`when i say MOVE a region to X,Y`
`05:35.09`	`SilverSeraphim`	`that means move the region so the CENTER of the region is at X,Y?`
`05:35.18`	`SilverSeraphim`	`or move it so the TOP LEFT of the region is at X,Y?`
`05:35.44`	`AlphA_VsT`	`no`
`05:36.19`	`SilverSeraphim`	`"Moves the region to a point."`
`05:36.23`	`SilverSeraphim`	`that's all the editor says`
`05:36.34`	`SilverSeraphim`	`so i think we have to assume it is moving the center of the region to that point`
`05:36.39`	`AlphA_VsT`	`yes the world postion`
`05:36.53`	`AlphA_VsT`	`nope`
`05:37.09`	`SilverSeraphim`	`in that case both the X and Y coords we want would need to be relative to the current center of the region`
`05:37.36`	`AlphA_VsT`	`what ever i will jsut say your right`
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`05:40.44`	`SilverSeraphim`	`well as long as it's working, i'm feeling ok about it`
`05:40.51`	`SilverSeraphim`	`if it doesn't work tomorrow, i will blame you of course`
`05:40.52`	`SilverSeraphim`	`;)`
`05:43.44`	`AlphA_VsT`	`sure`
`05:43.57`	`AlphA_VsT`	`the point is i helped you figgure it out`
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`05:44.30`	`testtest`	`hi`
`05:44.45`	`testtest`	`does anyone know the irc server/channel for the sc2 map called THE Card Game ?`
`05:44.59`	`testtest`	`or just where i can find Clord (the maker of that map) ?`
`05:46.24`	`JademusSreg`	`Clord can be found here.`
`05:46.35`	`JademusSreg`	`I about several hours, I think./`
`05:46.37`	`testtest`	`how often does he come here?`
`05:46.39`	`testtest`	`ah ok nice`
`05:46.41`	`JademusSreg`	`Regularly.`
`05:46.44`	`testtest`	`ill be back another time then ^^`
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`05:47.09`	`testtest`	`thanks, cya ^^`
`05:47.48`	`demalii`	`Anyone know where to look for this: when thor anti air missles are fired, 2 come from left side, 2 come from right side of his chest, how/where is this done?`
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`05:50.34`	`JademusSreg`	`Actor & movers`
`05:55.04`	`demalii`	`alright i'll keep on the search thanks`
`05:58.09`	`demalii`	`under action actor "`
`05:58.30`	`demalii`	`attachement - launch attachement query is the spot`
`05:58.45`	`demalii`	`thanks for the assistance there jade`
`05:58.54`	`JademusSreg`	`No problem.`
`05:59.36`	`AlphA_VsT`	`:D`
`05:59.44`	`AlphA_VsT`	`jade is the awesome`
`06:00.28`	`JademusSreg`	`Hah.`
`06:04.04`	`AlphA_VsT`	`oh shit`
`06:04.13`	`AlphA_VsT`	`I just made an awesoem fluke`
`06:04.14`	`AlphA_VsT`	`haha`
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`06:05.02`	`AlphA_VsT`	`setting the dialog to full screen and then creating a dialog image and setting it to the parent makes it take up teh full fucking screen YAY!!!!!`
`06:05.12`	`AlphA_VsT`	`sounds stupid i know`
`06:05.14`	`AlphA_VsT`	`but yeah`
`06:11.06`	`demalii`	`jade i think i was asking you the other night about attacking while moving, i had changelings as the test enemy, which duh, made it not work heh`
`06:11.56`	`AlphA_VsT`	`lol`
`06:11.59`	`AlphA_VsT`	`how so`
`06:12.24`	`demalii`	`they have weird properties`
`06:12.28`	`demalii`	`they're a useless unit`
`06:12.53`	`AlphA_VsT`	`that is true lol`
`06:13.07`	`AlphA_VsT`	`i test with the awesome handy dandy best unit`
`06:13.09`	`AlphA_VsT`	`of marine`
`06:13.16`	`AlphA_VsT`	`even though i use toss 0.o`
`06:13.36`	`demalii`	`i think changlings take forms of other units too`
`06:13.44`	`demalii`	`yea i can't believe i was doing that`
`06:13.58`	`demalii`	`haven't opened the map editor in a couple months though busy working on the site`
`06:14.31`	`AlphA_VsT`	`test complete`
`06:14.34`	`AlphA_VsT`	`its awesome`
`06:14.38`	`AlphA_VsT`	`need betetr graphic`
`06:14.53`	`AlphA_VsT`	`http://i.imgur.com/WNG2s.jpg bam`
`06:15.02`	`AlphA_VsT`	`JademusSreg, look :D`
`06:15.19`	`AlphA_VsT`	`when you take damage lol`
`06:16.24`	`AlphA_VsT`	`anyone comment? :(`
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`06:16.42`	`AlphA_VsT`	`yeah the morph demalii lol`
`06:16.58`	`AlphA_VsT`	`what website demalii?`
`06:18.01`	`AlphA_VsT`	`gah`
`06:19.05`	`AlphA_VsT`	`fine`
`06:20.13`	`JademusSreg`	`Cool.`
`06:20.24`	`AlphA_VsT`	`:D`
`06:20.42`	`AlphA_VsT`	`instead of that stupid screen shake haha`
`06:20.53`	`JademusSreg`	`I like it.`
`06:21.04`	`AlphA_VsT`	`:D`
`06:21.19`	`AlphA_VsT`	`2 min photoshop texture lol`
`06:21.36`	`demalii`	`like when you're being atked?`
`06:21.42`	`AlphA_VsT`	`yeah`
`06:21.48`	`demalii`	`yes gj`
`06:21.55`	`AlphA_VsT`	`a 1 second flash of so`
`06:22.02`	`demalii`	`that's cool`
`06:22.13`	`demalii`	`possible to make it fade out?`
`06:22.21`	`AlphA_VsT`	`yeah`
`06:22.32`	`demalii`	`word`
`06:22.36`	`AlphA_VsT`	`yeah have a fader for it`
`06:22.41`	`AlphA_VsT`	`dialog images`
`06:22.42`	`AlphA_VsT`	`lol`
`06:22.54`	`demalii`	`that's cool`
`06:22.56`	`AlphA_VsT`	`<3 it scales to the users screen size also :D`
`06:23.03`	`demalii`	`nice nice`
`06:23.09`	`demalii`	`so much i still have to learn sheesh`
`06:23.17`	`AlphA_VsT`	`lol`
`06:23.59`	`AlphA_VsT`	`need to create the life and armor icons`
`06:24.08`	`AlphA_VsT`	`im not sure if i should add ammo or not`
`06:24.26`	`demalii`	`do it!`
`06:24.49`	`demalii`	`the extra details are what makes a map stand out like a hippie attached to a tree`
`06:24.55`	`demalii`	`... in a good way =/`
`06:24.56`	`AlphA_VsT`	`true`
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`06:25.15`	`AlphA_VsT`	`i need to find a good sound effect for when you take damage`
`06:25.21`	`AlphA_VsT`	`i looked sorta cant find shit`
`06:25.34`	`AlphA_VsT`	`anyone have a good sound effect site? lol`
`06:26.24`	`demalii`	`man i've looked previously`
`06:26.30`	`demalii`	`only could find like 8-bit sounds haha`
`06:26.44`	`demalii`	`sounds from gameboy games and shiz`
`06:27.07`	`demalii`	`perhaps rip your own sound from another game =p`
`06:27.16`	`JademusSreg`	`I'm all about polish.`
`06:27.30`	`demalii`	`polish and detail together yes`
`06:30.23`	`AlphA_VsT`	`oh shit its late goodnight eak`
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`07:45.15`	`Dekar`	`slaps JademusSreg around a bit with a large trout`
`07:47.05`	`Dekar`	`He's dead, Jim.`
`07:47.09`	`Dekar`	`slaps Helral\|Afk around a bit with a large trout`
`07:47.39`	`Dekar`	`He's dead already.`
`07:48.01`	`Dekar`	`I'm a doctor, not a Jesus Christ goddamn!`
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`07:51.30`	`Dekar`	`so mean!`
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`08:56.51`	`Dekar`	`caw!`
`09:07.05`	`demalii`	`how do you stretch a model to be taller?`
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`09:12.13`	`blub_`	`can I somehow allow immobile units to be transported?`
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`09:16.46`	`Mexa\|Sleep`	`mornin'`
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`09:17.10`	`blub_`	`ah nvm :D`
`09:19.34`	`Nash\|327`	`Mexaface`
`09:19.44`	`Nash\|327`	`you never sleep when you claim to`
`09:19.53`	`Mexa\|Sleep`	`D.`
`09:19.59`	`Mexa\|Sleep`	`Nashface`
`09:20.03`	`Mexa\|Sleep`	`Oh yes I do`
`09:20.07`	`Mexa\|Sleep`	`Somewhat almost`
`09:20.18`	`Mexa\|Sleep`	`I just recently woke up`
`09:20.29`	`Nash\|327`	`away nicks are stupid anyway D;`
`09:20.41`	`Mexa\|`	`They a`
`09:20.45`	`Mexa\|`	`re`
`09:20.51`	`Mexa\|`	`not really:>`
`09:22.00`	`Nash\|327`	`http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html`
`09:23.46`	`Mexa\|`	`:P`
`09:23.48`	`Mexa\|`	`Care`
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`09:26.28`	`Nash\|327`	`careface!?`
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`09:29.05`	`blub_`	`away nicks are commonly accepted`
`09:29.08`	`blub_`	`contrary to away messages`
`09:29.18`	`blub_`	`stuff like /me is now away`
`09:29.22`	`blub_`	`is annoying`
`09:29.27`	`blub_`	`because it sets the channel to active`
`09:29.31`	`blub_`	`and then you check the channel for nothing`
`09:29.38`	`blub_`	`nick changes don't set it to active`
`09:30.15`	`demalii_`	`anyone know the model for the reaper jump animation?`
`09:30.22`	`demalii_`	`with the flames?`
`09:32.58`	`Nash\|327`	`if someone doesn't answer, it doesn't take genius level logic to conclude they are away`
`09:33.00`	`Nash\|327`	`D_D`
`09:33.36`	`blub_`	`and that's not even the point - I'm here idle all day, not because I care about every single message :P`
`09:33.47`	`blub_`	`but because I occasionally check for messages and reply if I feel like it :P`
`09:34.12`	`blub_`	`usually whne the channel has been active... and if the only thing which made it active was a public away message`
`09:34.40`	`blub_`	`I have to try hard to refrain myself from attacking those people... :P`
`09:34.56`	`blub_`	`demalii_: check the data editor... though I think it's just an animation from the regular reaper model`
`09:35.12`	`blub_`	`there are only seperate models for the dust clouds on land/launch`
`09:35.13`	`demalii_`	`ok what about this`
`09:35.29`	`demalii_`	`attaching the animation to the back of a unit only while it's firing/attacking?`
`09:35.44`	`blub_`	`just checked, yes, it's an animation for the model`
`09:36.04`	`blub_`	`so it's part of the reaper model`
`09:36.13`	`blub_`	`presumably auto-executed by the jump mover type :P`
`09:36.29`	`demalii_`	`haha right on ok`
`09:36.48`	`blub_`	`but`
`09:36.50`	`blub_`	`if you find a flame-only model`
`09:36.54`	`blub_`	`you can attach it to a unit`
`09:36.59`	`blub_`	`and use site-ops to position it`
`09:37.13`	`demalii_`	`can i attach in the DE?`
`09:37.27`	`blub_`	`depends`
`09:37.40`	`blub_`	`the actor events should help you out there`
`09:38.08`	`blub_`	`Assets/Effects/Terran/FireImpact <- might be something...`
`09:38.27`	`blub_`	`a small fireball :P`
`09:38.36`	`demalii_`	`but it's gotta be a constant, while attacking`
`09:39.05`	`demalii_`	`so on/off ya knows?`
`09:39.07`	`blub_`	`sure`
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`09:39.48`	`demalii_`	`in events can i do like while attacking, play model?`
`09:39.49`	`blub_`	`you could try something like...`
`09:39.55`	`blub_`	`Abil.attach -> create`
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`09:40.01`	`blub_`	`create (your fire actor)`
`09:40.37`	`blub_`	`for the fire actor you can use one of those "oneshot efx" actor bases I guess`
`09:41.06`	`demalii_`	`k`
`09:41.26`	`demalii_`	`but then to make it turn on only when attacking?`
`09:41.43`	`demalii_`	`or does abil.attach mean`
`09:41.54`	`demalii_`	`well i can't attach it to the weapons can I?`
`09:41.54`	`blub_`	`Actor type would be Model btw`
`09:42.03`	`blub_`	`abil.attack`
`09:42.06`	`blub_`	`not attach`
`09:42.08`	`blub_`	`typo ^^`
`09:42.14`	`blub_`	`so it creates the effect on attack`
`09:42.33`	`demalii_`	`word`
`09:42.36`	`demalii_`	`i'm gonna try this`
`09:42.41`	`demalii_`	`brb`
`09:43.28`	`blub_`	`there's also`
`09:43.34`	`blub_`	`Assets/Doodadds/FireMedium/FireMedium.m3`
`09:43.38`	`blub_`	`and a model for it: Fire Medium`
`09:43.39`	`blub_`	`^^`
`09:44.18`	`demalii_`	`hmm lemme look`
`09:44.39`	`demalii_`	`ohh wow`
`09:45.05`	`blub_`	`long animatino tho`
`09:45.09`	`blub_`	`you can use a timer to remove the actor early tho`
`09:47.33`	`blub_`	`humm`
`09:47.38`	`blub_`	`not sure how to actually start it on attacking`
`09:47.42`	`blub_`	`abil.attack doesn't really do the trick`
`09:48.45`	`demalii_`	`alternately i was thinking i could make weapons with the jet animations..`
`09:48.47`	`Obatztrara`	`you can link the actor to the damage effect of your weapon`
`09:48.55`	`Obatztrara`	`so it will always show when attacikng`
`09:49.01`	`demalii_`	`and set their launch attachement`
`09:49.07`	`blub_`	`I think I screwed something up D`
`09:49.08`	`blub_`	`:D`
`09:49.32`	`demalii_`	`ohhh yea right`
`09:49.34`	`demalii_`	`nice`
`09:49.38`	`demalii_`	`cheers`
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`09:52.28`	`Mexa_`	`damn... the expression 'const' in C++ must be the best one ever made`
`09:52.44`	`blub_`	`huh?`
`09:53.12`	`Mexa_`	`Speaking of nothing... but you can get expression pretty silly and unreadable`
`09:53.52`	`blub_`	`huh?`
`09:53.52`	`Mexa_`	`"Of course one sometimes needs to combine some of these different uses of âconstâ which can get confusing as in const intconst Method3(const intconst&)const;"`
`09:54.11`	`Mexa_`	`If you know C++, you may laugh and palm, otherwise, ignore it`
`09:54.13`	`blub_`	`"somtimes"`
`09:54.20`	`blub_`	`hardly ever`
`09:54.24`	`blub_`	`not like that`
`09:54.30`	`Mexa_`	`Depends`
`09:54.31`	`blub_`	`ususally you just ahve constant references to something`
`09:54.35`	`Mexa_`	`Blub`
`09:54.47`	`Mexa_`	`const really have several meanings`
`09:54.55`	`Mexa_`	`And At times you'd need to combine them`
`09:54.59`	`Mexa_`	`That was an extreme example`
`09:55.04`	`Mexa_`	`But it amuses me`
`09:55.05`	`blub_`	`exactly, an extreme one`
`09:55.15`	`blub_`	`that practically never happens :p`
`09:55.26`	`Mexa_`	`meh:>`
`09:55.30`	`blub_`	`in fact, I never actually use const for the pointer itself`
`09:55.33`	`blub_`	`only for the data it points to`
`09:55.51`	`Mexa_`	`http://duramecho.com/ComputerInformation/WhyHowCppConst.html`
`09:56.17`	`Mexa_`	`I know blub_`
`09:56.41`	`blub_`	`and I hate that you can use "int const" for "const int" :P`
`09:56.41`	`Mexa_`	`But you might find yourself actually using more than that in huge projects`
`09:56.47`	`Mexa_`	`Yep`
`09:57.03`	`blub_`	`choices with no effect increase the variety of coding-styles`
`09:57.07`	`demalii_`	`animation play/clear ?`
`09:57.09`	`Mexa_`	`Readability for the win, better use a good convention for it`
`09:57.11`	`blub_`	`which in turn increases the variety of annoying code :P`
`09:57.12`	`demalii_`	`does clear stop it?`
`09:57.38`	`blub_`	`well, any choices increase the variety of coding styles really, but silly choices like that make it annoying :P`
`09:58.03`	`blub_`	`almost as annoying as people who start indenting at the curly braces >.<`
`09:58.12`	`Mexa_`	`True that, I just rbought it up since it was amusing:P`
`09:58.13`	`blub_`	`as in, before those braces`
`09:58.18`	`blub_`	`like`
`09:58.21`	`blub_`	`if (x)`
`09:58.23`	`blub_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`09:58.25`	`blub_`	`I hate that`
`09:58.41`	`Mexa_`	`ah`
`09:59.00`	`Mexa_`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indent_style they're all there`
`09:59.03`	`blub_`	`there are people who indent the braces halfway and the code after that fully`
`09:59.05`	`Mexa_`	`bleff`
`09:59.11`	`blub_`	`there are people who have the braces at the same level as the code below them`
`09:59.14`	`blub_`	`I hate both`
`09:59.42`	`Mexa_`	`I use the "allman" style mostly`
`09:59.46`	`blub_`	`I don't mind if they have spaces between 'if' and '(', I don't mind if the opening { is in the same or in the next line... but INDENTING IT IS ANNOYING >.<`
`10:00.08`	`blub_`	`"Whitesmiths style" <- kill these people`
`10:00.22`	`blub_`	`GNU style as well since it does it "sometimes"`
`10:00.49`	`Mexa_`	`:>`
`10:01.34`	`Mexa_`	`Yeah, I think the same`
`10:01.52`	`blub_`	`people try different styles because they think it's cool and makes them special`
`10:01.53`	`Mexa_`	`Then again, I am not going to hate people for using it. Only hate that they use it:P`
`10:01.57`	`blub_`	`then they get used to it, and start liking it`
`10:02.00`	`blub_`	`and start making other people use it`
`10:02.06`	`blub_`	`but "coolness" doesn't make your code any better >.<`
`10:03.40`	`blub_`	`Mexa_: see what you've done`
`10:03.44`	`blub_`	`you got me talking about this :P`
`10:07.22`	`blub_`	`http://stud4.tuwien.ac.at/~e0725517/images/Screenshot2011-04-23%2012_06_15.jpg`
`10:07.25`	`blub_`	`wooh`
`10:07.31`	`blub_`	`friendly cubes floating around`
`10:12.32`	`blub_`	`awesomeness, I can start making puzzles XD`
`10:13.25`	`Nash\|327`	`portal?`
`10:15.57`	`blub_`	`exactly`
`10:16.15`	`blub_`	`Nash\|327: not just portal.... .... it has HEARTS on the cube! :P`
`10:16.40`	`Nash\|327`	`didn't notice`
`10:16.52`	`blub_`	`they're too small for that screenshot`
`10:17.03`	`Nash\|327`	`WILL THERE BE CAKE!?`
`10:17.12`	`blub_`	`MAYBE`
`10:17.42`	`Nash\|327`	`You will be baked and then there will be cake.`
`10:17.57`	`blub_`	`^^`
`10:26.32`	`Nash\|327`	`there needs to be cake`
`10:26.39`	`Nash\|327`	`so it's better than portal`
`10:26.44`	`Mexa_`	`blub_ glad I could help:>`
`10:27.37`	`blub_`	`code's a bit odd though, resetting height and that stupid flag at 2 points in the same function :P`
`10:30.53`	`Dekar`	`will there be gels?`
`10:31.32`	`blub_`	`not sure`
`10:32.05`	`blub_`	`... if there are simple ways to do the graphics :P`
`10:32.34`	`blub_`	`I mean I could always scale a cube model to be flat and large and put it on the ground but....`
`10:32.38`	`blub_`	`dunno :P`
`10:32.54`	`Nash\|327`	`you can take the blood splatter and such`
`10:32.59`	`Nash\|327`	`and scale/tint :G`
`10:33.00`	`blub_`	`true`
`10:33.02`	`blub_`	`but aren't they limited?`
`10:33.05`	`blub_`	`by graphics settings`
`10:33.11`	`blub_`	`and/or can be disabled?`
`10:33.25`	`blub_`	`I disabled blood on my end I think (due to some overly-effect-spawning custom maps :P)`
`10:33.39`	`Nash\|327`	`if you make your own efffect that shouldn't be disabled D_D`
`10:33.50`	`blub_`	`hmmmmm`
`10:33.52`	`blub_`	`okay :D`
`10:34.00`	`blub_`	`guess I can try`
`10:34.04`	`Dekar`	`:o`
`10:34.05`	`blub_`	`but not now XD`
`10:34.14`	`blub_`	`I'd need metaballs though XD`
`10:34.17`	`blub_`	`for when they're in the beams`
`10:34.30`	`blub_`	`well not rly`
`10:34.32`	`blub_`	`but that would be awesome`
`10:35.06`	`Nash\|327`	`caek`
`10:35.14`	`Dekar`	`you can start with the sphere model`
`10:35.24`	`blub_`	`I kno :D`
`10:35.40`	`Dekar`	`maybe the football has some`
`10:35.43`	`Dekar`	`bump`
`10:35.45`	`Dekar`	`s`
`10:36.00`	`Dekar`	`im sure you will somethnig !`
`10:36.10`	`blub_`	`find`
`10:36.18`	`blub_`	`:P`
`10:36.45`	`Nash\|327`	`is there a potato :G`
`10:36.57`	`blub_`	`:P`
`10:37.28`	`demalii_`	`ok so it seems i can't so the effect damage`
`10:37.36`	`demalii_`	`because it's only doing when the dmg is caused`
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`10:38.17`	`demalii_`	`i wanted to try doing a validator on abil.attack => term: validate the unit ?`
`10:39.14`	`Nash\|327`	`validate the unit what?`
`10:39.19`	`demalii_`	`iono`
`10:39.30`	`demalii_`	`to make a jetpack like animation play, only while attacking`
`10:40.01`	`Nash\|327`	`uh, that's actor stuff`
`10:40.10`	`demalii_`	`yes`
`10:40.20`	`Nash\|327`	`when attacking, play jetpack thingy as attack animation`
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`10:45.34`	`burne-`	`sup`
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`10:50.43`	`Nash\|327`	`you all smell`
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`11:00.08`	`Nash\|327`	`kittuns in bags`
`11:03.24`	`burne-`	`kittuns in boxes`
`11:03.51`	`Nash\|327`	`kittuns in bag in box!`
`11:04.24`	`Skizot`	`kittuns in a blender.. meeeeoooooowwwwwaragrgrgrggrhrhrhrhrhrhrhrhrhhrhrhrzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz`
`11:04.29`	`Stewox`	`come on with this english slang`
`11:04.42`	`Nash\|327`	`fuck you nazi kittun hater`
`11:04.54`	`Stewox`	`weird words`
`11:05.01`	`Stewox`	`KUITTUN WTF IS that`
`11:05.58`	`Stewox`	`i think those people that talk about cats all the time probably don't have a gf`
`11:06.02`	`Nash\|327`	`it's the cutest animal/thing/whatever that ever existed`
`11:06.08`	`Stewox`	`... mostly internet retards ...`
`11:06.23`	`Stewox`	`and those 4chan nolifers`
`11:06.38`	`Stewox`	`:p`
`11:06.48`	`Nash\|327`	`they don't talk about kittuns, they talk about The Game and troll people`
`11:06.53`	`Dekar`	`haters gonna hat`
`11:06.53`	`Dekar`	`e`
`11:06.58`	`Stewox`	`yep`
`11:07.20`	`Nash\|327`	`KITTUNS`
`11:07.38`	`Stewox`	`im not a part of it, but i know all about it,, the worst thing is , knowing all about it`
`11:08.28`	`Stewox`	`how can you waste all day making funny pictures and other 4chan things , because it obviosuly originates from those 4chan funny junk pics`
`11:08.45`	`Nash\|327`	`The hell are you babbling about?`
`11:08.47`	`Stewox`	`and internet memes :p it's funny , but something's too much , it's too much!`
`11:08.55`	`Stewox`	`KITTUN`
`11:09.02`	`Stewox`	`that's from those pics`
`11:09.07`	`Stewox`	`from funny pics`
`11:09.10`	`Nash\|327`	`it's not from anything`
`11:09.12`	`Stewox`	`over the net`
`11:09.19`	`Stewox`	`nobody talks KITTUN in real life`
`11:09.25`	`Nash\|327`	`I do`
`11:09.34`	`Nash\|327`	`screw you and your assumptions`
`11:09.34`	`Stewox`	`lol`
`11:10.13`	`Nash\|327`	`KITTUNS ARE AWESOME`
`11:10.27`	`Stewox`	`look`
`11:10.35`	`Stewox`	`i didn't mind about it in the first time`
`11:10.44`	`Stewox`	`but it becomes annoying`
`11:10.51`	`Stewox`	`and you're acting like a 14 year old`
`11:10.56`	`Nash\|327`	`qq`
`11:11.07`	`Stewox`	`it's a cliche`
`11:11.13`	`Stewox`	`it's funny only once`
`11:11.25`	`Stewox`	`then it becomes childish`
`11:11.58`	`Nash\|327`	`And just what is it that makes you think I care about random people's opnions?`
`11:12.20`	`blub_`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`11:13.41`	`Stewox`	`the care is , i don't care about the word KITTUN MITUN LOL OMG WTF ... incase you didn't noticed , ... im not an american , so it's annoying for me , so stop spamming it in here plese`
`11:14.14`	`Stewox`	`i don't care about ONCE , but you're spamming this every day every time i look on the sc2mapster IRC`
`11:14.22`	`Nash\|327`	`So much incoherent babble over one word D_D`
`11:14.50`	`Nash\|327`	`Feel free to ignore me in the future!`
`11:15.37`	`Stewox`	`it was funny thing at FIRST , and i never would said that , but you continued`
`11:15.43`	`Stewox`	`and what the heck is with nazi`
`11:15.51`	`Stewox`	`these are stupid internet retard memes`
`11:15.55`	`Stewox`	`and im sick of them`
`11:16.03`	`Nash\|327`	`I'm sick of you.`
`11:16.17`	`Stewox`	`it was funny when i was 14 years old ,but im 6 years older now`
`11:16.50`	`Nash\|327`	`Problem solved, resume bagging kittuns.`
`11:17.31`	`Dekar`	`theres always the ignore function :D`
`11:17.37`	`Nash\|327`	`indeed`
`11:17.48`	`Stewox`	`he wasn't replying to you`
`11:17.50`	`Stewox`	`:p`
`11:18.57`	`Nash\|327`	`I even suggested that but seems like babbling a lot about one word was preferable to a solution.`
`11:19.00`	`Nash\|327`	`D_D`
`11:22.52`	`Stewox`	`im listening to it for a week, and the word itself sounds so gay , it's not about you , it's about the word , and ... i had tolerance , for a WEEK`
`11:23.14`	`Dekar`	`Yeah, bringing you another disturbing creation`
`11:23.14`	`Dekar`	`From the mind of one sick animal who can't tell the difference`
`11:23.14`	`Dekar`	`And gets stupified`
`11:28.19`	`blub_`	`13:13 < Stewox> the care is , i don't care about the word KITTUN MITUN LOL OMG WTF ... incase you didn't noticed , ... im not an american , so it's annoying for me , so stop spamming it in here plese`
`11:28.37`	`blub_`	`as bad as the average american may be displayed all over the world...`
`11:28.39`	`blub_`	`I hate stereotypes`
`11:28.55`	`blub_`	`and...`
`11:29.13`	`blub_`	`just don't ...`
`11:29.57`	`Dekar`	`i could live with a few less kittuns too`
`11:30.01`	`Stewox`	`who do you think 4chan users are .. majority of`
`11:30.10`	`Stewox`	`majority of funnyjunk.com users`
`11:30.10`	`Nash\|327`	`that's madness!`
`11:30.21`	`Stewox`	`majority of failblog.com users`
`11:30.28`	`Stewox`	`majority of any crap that's on the web`
`11:30.47`	`Stewox`	`check alexa.com for each website and see it's charts`
`11:30.49`	`blub_`	`err`
`11:30.54`	`blub_`	`your logic is flawed`
`11:31.08`	`blub_`	`A being a subset of B does not mean B = A`
`11:31.24`	`blub_`	`if the majorty of 4chan users are americans`
`11:31.29`	`blub_`	`that doesn't make all americans 4chan users`
`11:31.37`	`blub_`	`it doesn't even mean the majority of americans are 4chan users`
`11:31.47`	`blub_`	`it could just be 10, if 4chan had only 11 users :P`
`11:32.08`	`Nash\|327`	`I just ignored him, the whole rant was stupid from the start.`
`11:32.22`	`blub_`	`I'm not saying I agree with you either :P`
`11:32.29`	`Dekar`	`4chan is run by the russians?`
`11:32.30`	`Dekar`	`zomg`
`11:33.08`	`Dekar`	`dunno but`
`11:33.09`	`Dekar`	`Compared with all internet users, 4chan.org's audience tends to be under the age of 35; it also appeals more to childless, low-income men and Caucasians browsing from home and school who are not college graduates.`
`11:33.20`	`blub_`	`most people spam sometimes, and most people go off-topic every once in a while, but some off-topcis are just... way off :P`
`11:33.20`	`Dekar`	`caucasian != american`
`11:33.56`	`Dekar`	`oh there`
`11:33.57`	`Dekar`	`traffic`
`11:33.59`	`Dekar`	`hmm`
`11:34.10`	`Dekar`	`no`
`11:34.25`	`Stewox`	`...`
`11:34.47`	`Dekar`	`ooh there at the bottom :o`
`11:37.47`	`Stewox`	`well`
`11:37.49`	`Stewox`	`here:`
`11:38.14`	`blub_`	`umm how exactly does the bloodsplat actor work?`
`11:38.20`	`blub_`	`the model's a no-model sphere :O`
`11:38.27`	`blub_`	`and I see nothing special in the data`
`11:38.32`	`Stewox`	`http://www.shrani.si/f/3i/A9/12wGXoin/alexaint.jpg`
`11:38.59`	`Nash\|327`	`did you duplicate it?`
`11:39.18`	`blub_`	`still means that ~45% of the visitors are american, not that 45% of the americans visit those sites :P`
`11:40.14`	`blub_`	`oh it has a variation count...`
`11:40.16`	`blub_`	`damn that model`
`11:40.35`	`Stewox`	`i didn't SAID 45 of american population visit those site`
`11:40.50`	`Stewox`	`lol from what did you took this assumption ?`
`11:41.12`	`Stewox`	`you can now see where this memes get born`
`11:41.16`	`Stewox`	`that was my point`
`11:41.19`	`blub_`	`I'm not, I was merely tying to say that your "im not an american, so..." part of that sentence from earlier`
`11:41.22`	`blub_`	`is inappropriate`
`11:41.25`	`Stewox`	`but i have no offense , this is purely objective`
`11:41.44`	`Stewox`	`yeh that was my anger so what :p`
`11:41.45`	`Nash\|327`	`Gah! Still not over that?`
`11:42.01`	`blub_`	`I'm not american either, just saying...`
`11:42.31`	`Nash\|327`	`Oh well, I'll go watch Sanctuary, maybe when I return people have stopped arguing with him.`
`11:42.34`	`blub_`	`I get what anger can do to you, but how can you get that angry about something that silly?`
`11:44.18`	`blub_`	`hrmmm`
`11:44.24`	`blub_`	`should I really make gels with colored blood splats? XD`
`11:45.48`	`Stewox`	`it is silly`
`11:45.52`	`Stewox`	`for a minute`
`11:45.57`	`Stewox`	`it is annoying for a week`
`11:53.48`	`blub_`	`is it possible to make a projectile collide with the terrain?`
`11:54.03`	`blub_`	`a very slow seeking missile`
`11:54.12`	`blub_`	`if you go behind a cliff or wall or building`
`11:54.18`	`blub_`	`that it hits that cliff/wall/building`
`11:54.21`	`blub_`	`and doesn't reach the target?`
`12:00.26`	`Mexa_`	`knowyourmeme.com?`
`12:00.50`	`Mexa_`	`Most of them are weird indeed.`
`12:01.09`	`Mexa_`	`I am leaving for some familiyrelated matters`
`12:01.11`	`Mexa_`	`Seeya guys`
`12:01.16`	`Mexa_`	`*family`
`12:02.30`	`Mexa_`	`And happy easter`
`12:17.16`	`blub_`	`there doesn't happen to be a way to find the "dominant" texture for a given point in galaxy, eh?`
`12:17.49`	`blub_`	`or some attribute of the ground or anything, like all the different data footprints have access to :P`
`12:23.01`	`blub_`	`why can I add shapes to regions, but not paint multiple shapes for one region? :S`
`12:24.47`	`blub_`	`ah, can at least drag the shapes around`
`12:25.51`	`Nash\|327`	`the speed gel should be easy`
`12:26.12`	`blub_`	`yeah`
`12:26.14`	`blub_`	`I know :)`
`12:31.42`	`Nash\|327`	`How about MASHY SPIKE PLATES?`
`12:32.45`	`blub_`	`:P`
`12:32.47`	`blub_`	`hmm`
`12:32.55`	`blub_`	`I can change the texture set of a map - but can I change the cliff-types ?`
`12:33.01`	`blub_`	`:P`
`12:33.31`	`blub_`	`I guess that's part of the texture set :S`
`12:33.35`	`blub_`	`^^`
`12:33.38`	`blub_`	`ah, didn't read properly`
`12:34.56`	`Nash\|327`	`Advisor as GLADOS?`
`12:46.25`	`Nash\|327`	`Additional testing depots required.`
`12:49.13`	`Dekar`	`will we get levels which rquire 14 players to beat?`
`12:49.28`	`Dekar`	`with 28 portals`
`12:49.36`	`Dekar`	`D:`
`12:49.55`	`Nash\|327`	`ew`
`12:52.31`	`Nash\|327`	`should eat cake`
`12:52.47`	`Nash\|327`	`eating cake gives you special powers`
`12:59.44`	`blub_`	`Dekar: LOL`
`12:59.49`	`blub_`	`not enough cake for so many XD`
`13:01.53`	`Dekar`	`aww`
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`13:25.31`	`Nash\|327`	`moist delicious cake`
`13:26.24`	`blub_`	`Dekar: also, I can barely think up "good" 1 or 2 player puzzles :P`
`13:31.28`	`Nash\|327`	`well the Portal 2 puzzles weren't all that hard either`
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`13:37.47`	`blub_`	`need to decide on a portal behaviour now tho`
`13:37.55`	`blub_`	`http://stud4.tuwien.ac.at/~e0725517/images/Screenshot-23.png`
`13:38.04`	`blub_`	`basically, 3 choices make sense`
`13:38.22`	`blub_`	`1) go "through" as if it were "one" thing (come through the front, leave through the back)`
`13:38.38`	`blub_`	`2) get "mirrored": come through front, levae through front \|\| come through back, leave through back`
`13:38.56`	`blub_`	`3) come from any direction, leave straight out through the front`
`13:39.30`	`blub_`	`also, currently portals are always facing towards the unit placing it...`
`13:39.37`	`blub_`	`tough decision :/`
`13:39.45`	`blub_`	`completely changes gameplay`
`13:40.01`	`blub_`	`obviously the 3rd option doesn't work well when the portals always face the caster`
`13:40.18`	`Nash\|327`	`if you don't preserve direction that will be kind of stupid D:`
`13:40.25`	`blub_`	`because then you can barely make a beam go "the other way"`
`13:40.53`	`blub_`	`Nash\|327: currently it's option 1`
`13:44.36`	`blub_`	`http://stud4.tuwien.ac.at/~e0725517/images/option1.png`
`13:44.50`	`Nash\|327`	`http://web.student.chalmers.se/groups/idp08-03/sketchbox_games.zip`
`13:44.59`	`Nash\|327`	`play marbleroller and see how I did it D_D`
`13:45.09`	`blub_`	`huh?`
`13:46.40`	`Nash\|327`	`download that, play the game`
`13:47.16`	`blub_`	`howException in thread "main" java.lang.NumberFormatException: For input string: ""`
`13:47.32`	`blub_`	`:P`
`13:47.43`	`Nash\|327`	`did you install the scores.txt to c:\ ?`
`13:47.57`	`blub_`	`did you hardcode that path? :P`
`13:48.01`	`Nash\|327`	`yes`
`13:48.02`	`Nash\|327`	`D_D`
`13:48.04`	`blub_`	`then you're very...`
`13:48.09`	`blub_`	`I don't have a C:`
`13:48.09`	`Nash\|327`	`lazy?`
`13:48.20`	`blub_`	`I was gonna say stupid but that would be offensive :P`
`13:48.28`	`blub_`	`because you could just load it form the CWD`
`13:49.29`	`blub_`	`mhh`
`13:49.46`	`blub_`	`# I'll just rename the file to 'C:\scores.txt' ...`
`13:49.46`	`blub_`	`:P`
`13:50.13`	`blub_`	`my system can handle such filenames with backslashes just fine :P`
`13:51.38`	`blub_`	`null pointer exception`
`13:51.46`	`blub_`	`but I'm through the first map :P`
`13:51.47`	`Nash\|327`	`CWD didn't work well with jar file`
`13:52.07`	`Nash\|327`	`and it wasn't important enough to make a proper solution for`
`13:52.25`	`Nash\|327`	`skip to level 8`
`13:53.59`	`blub_`	`there's a difference`
`13:54.01`	`blub_`	`I have round portals`
`13:54.05`	`blub_`	`you have holes :P`
`13:54.55`	`Nash\|327`	`well, preserve directionality is a fundamental part of it`
`13:55.08`	`blub_`	`your version would be option 2`
`13:55.10`	`Nash\|327`	`without that the puzzles would be simpler`
`13:55.11`	`blub_`	`the mirroring one`
`13:55.16`	`blub_`	`come in the front, go out the front`
`13:58.16`	`Nash\|327`	`well that's how portal portals work`
`13:58.44`	`blub_`	`http://stud4.tuwien.ac.at/~e0725517/images/option2.png`
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`14:02.23`	`blub_`	`http://stud4.tuwien.ac.at/~e0725517/images/Screenshot2011-04-23%2016_01_41.jpg`
`14:02.32`	`blub_`	`Nash\|327: better? =)`
`14:02.54`	`blub_`	`both portals face the red stalker (they have arrows to indicate that)`
`14:03.05`	`blub_`	`comes on from the left, goes out through the left`
`14:06.42`	`Nash\|327`	`needs more cake`
`14:09.30`	`Nash\|327`	`so how do you set orientation of portals?`
`14:09.41`	`blub_`	`they face the caster :P`
`14:09.50`	`blub_`	`that's the thing... I can't think of a "good" way`
`14:09.58`	`blub_`	`portals are placed with an "effect-target" ability`
`14:10.04`	`blub_`	`I wish there was an "effect-target-direction" ability :P`
`14:10.10`	`blub_`	`where you click, then drag into a drection`
`14:10.13`	`blub_`	`or click twice`
`14:10.44`	`blub_`	`at first I used a beacon...`
`14:11.02`	`Nash\|327`	`if you make portals selectable and commandable you can add buttons to rotate them`
`14:11.43`	`blub_`	`I guess... but keep in mind that every change to a portal has to propagate the changes to anything it affects :P`
`14:11.53`	`blub_`	`rotate it = recalculate the beams`
`14:12.10`	`blub_`	`also, rotating an existing portal is a bit strange... though it could be rather interesting gameplay-wise`
`14:12.31`	`Nash\|327`	`what ARE the beams for?`
`14:12.42`	`blub_`	`could make it so the ability has to be cast twice... once for the location, and the second time for the direction`
`14:12.55`	`blub_`	`Nash\|327: same as in portal 2, they make things inside them float forward`
`14:13.02`	`Nash\|327`	`ah`
`14:13.03`	`blub_`	`like, you can use such a beam to have a cube float over a pit`
`14:13.06`	`blub_`	`so it reaches a button`
`14:13.31`	`blub_`	`when it's there you remove the portal so the beam is gone and the cube stays on the button`
`14:14.04`	`blub_`	`useful if the area whre the button is has no pathable connection and doesn't allow portals inside :)`
`14:15.00`	`Nash\|327`	`prolonged exposure to the button is now part of this test`
`14:16.39`	`blub_`	`maybe I should use the colossus beam effect instead`
`14:16.52`	`blub_`	`the current one has an "end"`
`14:16.56`	`blub_`	`with a bigger effect`
`14:17.03`	`Nash\|327`	`just, portals always facing caster would be a problem if you need to make a portal face up and you can't go to a point where you can fire it to make it face up`
`14:17.17`	`blub_`	`yes`
`14:17.38`	`blub_`	`that's the second thing crucial to gameplay that I need to decide on before I can make any puzzles`
`14:17.46`	`Nash\|327`	`like in your screenshot, if I wanted a portal in the direction of the "pit" above the "island"`
`14:17.48`	`blub_`	`that, and if I should allow the player to cast a portal behind a "wall" :P`
`14:17.51`	`blub_`	`or if it should hit the wall`
`14:18.32`	`blub_`	`well if something was in that walled-off section, you couldn't get it out - you can only get stuff in`
`14:18.46`	`blub_`	`that's right`
`14:18.58`	`blub_`	`(the beam starts at the lower right...)`
`14:19.03`	`blub_`	`(should have mentioned that XD`
`14:19.05`	`blub_`	`)`
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`14:19.36`	`Nash\|327`	`you'll need a level reset`
`14:19.47`	`blub_`	`that I will`
`14:19.55`	`blub_`	`well`
`14:20.00`	`blub_`	`if I do it like in portal, I won't`
`14:20.06`	`blub_`	`(that cubes can be recreated at their "tubes")`
`14:20.10`	`blub_`	`(and a self-destruct for the stalkers)`
`14:20.15`	`blub_`	`(to get respawned at some start)`
`14:20.58`	`Nash\|327`	`respawn could be abused`
`14:21.16`	`Nash\|327`	`move you to a spot without using portals`
`14:21.21`	`blub_`	`in portal coop you can kill yourself too =)`
`14:21.35`	`Nash\|327`	`so you can set up portals and then die`
`14:21.40`	`blub_`	`well it depends on the design of the puzzle I guess`
`14:21.43`	`blub_`	`no`
`14:21.46`	`blub_`	`if you die your portals are gone`
`14:21.46`	`blub_`	`:P`
`14:21.50`	`blub_`	`in portal 2 at least`
`14:22.08`	`blub_`	`I'll probably do it the same way in the map`
`14:22.17`	`blub_`	`die -> respawn, portals gone`
`14:22.20`	`blub_`	`seems reasonable`
`14:22.47`	`Nash\|327`	`to be safe, remove the cubes too`
`14:23.06`	`blub_`	`phalanx beam... that might be a better effect`
`14:23.11`	`blub_`	`needs a lower opacity.. but still good`
`14:23.25`	`blub_`	`Nash\|327: I don't think that's required ^^`
`14:23.27`	`blub_`	`but`
`14:23.28`	`blub_`	`well`
`14:23.33`	`blub_`	`could depend on the puzzle`
`14:23.45`	`blub_`	`if exit and entrance are next to each other, then yes`
`14:24.48`	`blub_`	`if there are 3 "steps" and you nee dthe cube for both steps, (i.e. if you open the path to the exit, the path to the middle section is gone), then that's not necessary`
`14:24.50`	`Nash\|327`	`any change to the level state which doesn't reset when you die could be abused`
`14:25.10`	`blub_`	`it doesn't always allow abuse`
`14:25.25`	`blub_`	`there are cases where it doesn't open any possibilities`
`14:25.34`	`Nash\|327`	`indeed`
`14:25.43`	`Nash\|327`	`but there are cases when it can`
`14:26.22`	`Nash\|327`	`and it's easier to play it safe than test each level for respawn abuse`
`14:26.23`	`blub_`	`I'm arguing so ahrd against that because I to reset the complete state I'd have to be able to save the complete state... which is easy as long as I only allow certain stuff to exist in the map :P`
`14:26.27`	`blub_`	`like, cube, stalker, portals...`
`14:26.29`	`blub_`	`:P`
`14:26.38`	`blub_`	`anything new needs to be considered part of the state in the code for resetting`
`14:26.41`	`blub_`	`^^`
`14:28.25`	`Nash\|327`	`:G`
`14:29.22`	`Nash\|327`	`well if you're going preplaced stuff instead of trigger placement, then yeah`
`14:29.46`	`blub_`	`welllllll`
`14:29.47`	`Nash\|327`	`if you use triggers it's just a matter of removing everything and running the trigger`
`14:30.00`	`blub_`	`I could make a trigger that goes over the preplaced stuff in a defined puzzle-region`
`14:30.07`	`blub_`	`and stores unit types + positions + angle`
`14:30.08`	`blub_`	`or something`
`14:30.17`	`blub_`	`but trigger-placement would be better indeed`
`14:30.28`	`blub_`	`though less convenient`
`14:30.37`	`blub_`	`http://stud4.tuwien.ac.at/~e0725517/images/Screenshot2011-04-23%2016_29_05.jpg`
`14:30.40`	`blub_`	`hmmmm`
`14:30.48`	`blub_`	`if I widen it a little, make it 50% transparent, and darker...`
`14:30.53`	`blub_`	`then that might work better`
`14:31.05`	`Nash\|327`	`looks like light bridges`
`14:31.24`	`blub_`	`yes but...`
`14:31.31`	`blub_`	`those would be difficult to... crea...`
`14:31.35`	`blub_`	`I think I have an idea on how to do that`
`14:32.18`	`Nash\|327`	`trigger placement would mean you didn't have lots of units on map load`
`14:32.19`	`blub_`	`a 1x2 unit, placed with "ignore placement", and a footprint which sets the region to pathable... plus a trigger to force the units to have the right hight :P`
`14:32.33`	`blub_`	`multiple 1x2 units in a row ofc`
`14:32.39`	`blub_`	`"units" - invisible`
`14:32.41`	`blub_`	`just footprints`
`14:32.42`	`blub_`	`hmm`
`14:32.46`	`Nash\|327`	`a large map with many puzzles -> many units`
`14:33.15`	`Nash\|327`	`using triggers, just create a room as it's entered and then destroy it when you leave`
`14:33.27`	`Nash\|327`	`only ever a few units on the map at a time`
`14:42.50`	`blub_`	`:)`
`14:42.58`	`blub_`	`need modelssssss`
`14:42.59`	`blub_`	`xD`
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`14:44.21`	`nodgene`	`oh hi`
`14:44.35`	`Dustin`	`Gooood mornin`
`14:45.08`	`nodgene`	`do you know a way around an array of player timers....`
`14:45.14`	`blub_`	`CircleOfPower.... lol`
`14:45.17`	`blub_`	`nodgene: for what exactly?`
`14:45.26`	`Dustin`	`Yeah what you talking about?`
`14:45.53`	`nodgene`	`well blurb_ I want the unit that has been killed to respawn at the remaining unit after X seconds`
`14:46.08`	`nodgene`	`I have the rest, in terms of unit type, unit, and so on saved to arrays`
`14:46.23`	`Dustin`	`You'll need to explain yourself more`
`14:46.27`	`blub_`	`wellll`
`14:46.29`	`nodgene`	`to I am confused as to how to make a timer system work with it. As it doesn't seem to want to work in the same way`
`14:46.31`	`Dustin`	`We dont know what the remaining unit is`
`14:46.40`	`nodgene`	`oh`
`14:46.42`	`nodgene`	`overview`
`14:46.44`	`blub_`	`I think I'd add a "time elapsed" trigger on death with missiontime + time as the time`
`14:47.07`	`blub_`	`(needs a custom script since adding new triggers cannot be done in the UI)`
`14:47.07`	`nodgene`	`yes blub_ I thought that too`
`14:47.25`	`blub_`	`and the trigger's function then needs a TriggerDestroy(TriggerGetCurrent()) at the end`
`14:47.28`	`blub_`	`to not leak triggers`
`14:47.31`	`blub_`	`I think that's the simplest`
`14:47.33`	`blub_`	`no arrays required`
`14:47.37`	`nodgene`	`but the problem is it won't set or take a value of a timer from an array`
`14:47.49`	`blub_`	`huh?`
`14:48.06`	`blub_`	`don't see the connection there`
`14:48.13`	`blub_`	`I wouldn't have arrays or timers`
`14:48.19`	`nodgene`	`Well the rest works, it's a multiplayer map, and so all the trigger systems work on using "triggering player" values and arrays`
`14:48.19`	`blub_`	`I'd use the gametime :)`
`14:48.33`	`Nash\|327`	`arrays work fine`
`14:48.37`	`nodgene`	`yes they do`
`14:48.39`	`Dustin`	`You're going about this all wrong`
`14:48.56`	`blub_`	`Dustin: there's no wrong, there's just more and less convenient :P`
`14:49.03`	`Dustin`	`Explain to me exactly waht's going on and what you want to do :P`
`14:49.10`	`Nash\|327`	`make a custom script that makes a new trigger seems like the wrong way to me D_D`
`14:49.11`	`nodgene`	`yes that's probabaly best dustin`
`14:49.14`	`blub_`	`and arrays are inconvenient - triggers for each player are inconvenient as well`
`14:49.33`	`Dustin`	`Arrays are convienet as fuck`
`14:50.48`	`nodgene`	`right, in the map the player chooses 2 units from a button UI that pops up when their unit 1 and 2 vars are empt, which happens when they are killed. It saves the unit types into an array, so the player can choose 1 and 2 before it spawns them together.`
`14:51.27`	`Dustin`	`Ok`
`14:51.32`	`nodgene`	`Now I want to make it so that when one of their units dies, it begins a X second timer, which when expired spawns the dead unit type beside the alive unit.`
`14:51.57`	`Dustin`	`How do you have these unit vars setup`
`14:51.59`	`Dustin`	`are they arrays?`
`14:52.02`	`nodgene`	`yes`
`14:52.08`	`Dustin`	`Make them structs`
`14:52.10`	`nodgene`	`to ensure only 1 trigger is needed for X number of players`
`14:52.16`	`nodgene`	`wuh`
`14:52.44`	`Nash\|327`	`http://pastebin.ca/2049748`
`14:52.54`	`Nash\|327`	`my revive timer D_D`
`14:52.57`	`Dustin`	`PlayerStruct[Player].Unit1, PlayerStruct[Player].Unit2, PlayerStruct[Player].Unit1Position, PlayerStruct[Player].Unit2Position`
`14:53.22`	`blub_`	`invalid id`
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`14:53.45`	`Nash\|327`	`well it does some other stuff after revive but it's not relevant`
`14:53.51`	`nodgene`	`thanks nash`
`14:54.05`	`nodgene`	`yeah`
`14:55.00`	`Nash\|327`	`if you have a timer you just need to wait until it reaches 0`
`14:55.33`	`Nash\|327`	`you can't set the value or get it, perhaps, I never tried`
`14:55.49`	`Dustin`	`Structs my man`
`14:55.54`	`Dustin`	`PlayerStruct[Player].Timer`
`14:56.05`	`Nash\|327`	`but you can start a countdown and wait until it reaches 0 (or have an event check if it reaches 0)`
`14:56.40`	`nodgene`	`right`
`15:02.13`	`blub_`	`so... every player has a timer...`
`15:02.14`	`blub_`	`and...`
`15:02.20`	`blub_`	`every timer gets a trigger`
`15:02.30`	`blub_`	`that's just way too much dupes for my taste`
`15:02.31`	`Nash\|327`	`1 trigger`
`15:02.57`	`blub_`	`just realized`
`15:03.00`	`blub_`	`"Triggering Timer()"`
`15:03.01`	`blub_`	`...`
`15:03.14`	`blub_`	`WHY IS IT... that SOME events`
`15:03.18`	`blub_`	`where you have to CHOOSE the triggering "thing"`
`15:03.24`	`blub_`	`provide a function to get that very thing`
`15:03.26`	`blub_`	`and some don't?`
`15:03.32`	`blub_`	`like, unit in range of other unit...`
`15:03.44`	`blub_`	`you have "triggering unit" which gives you the unit coming into range`
`15:03.53`	`blub_`	`but there's no function to get the unit to which the event belongs`
`15:04.00`	`blub_`	`... sure, you have to choose that unit beforehand...`
`15:04.06`	`blub_`	`but if you want the same code to work on multiple units...`
`15:04.24`	`blub_`	`you never know into the range of which unit the triggering unit came...`
`15:04.27`	`Dustin`	`Nodgene`
`15:04.40`	`Nash\|327`	`pimp your structs again`
`15:05.19`	`nodgene`	`hold on`
`15:05.29`	`Dustin`	`Just add all units Timers Expire to an event and then do a simple loop through all players in the trigger and check if the PlayerStruct[PlayerLoop].Timer = Triggering Timer Then do actions`
`15:05.45`	`Nash\|327`	`ew no`
`15:06.58`	`Dustin`	`ew no?`
`15:07.18`	`Nash\|327`	`timer expire based means checking what player the timer belongs to, as you describe`
`15:07.55`	`Nash\|327`	`if you just use the timer with wait until timer reaches 0, you don't need to do shit like that :G`
`15:07.59`	`blub_`	`which is really not a problem really`
`15:08.14`	`JademusSreg`	`Today's SMBC comic is lovely.`
`15:08.19`	`blub_`	`Nash\|327: but then you need an instance of the trigger for each timer`
`15:08.24`	`blub_`	`how's that better :P`
`15:08.27`	`Nash\|327`	`no`
`15:08.30`	`Nash\|327`	`you do not`
`15:08.31`	`Dustin`	`That's worse dude`
`15:08.33`	`blub_`	`sure, you need to wait for a certain timer`
`15:08.42`	`Nash\|327`	`http://pastebin.ca/2049748`
`15:08.45`	`blub_`	`at some point you HAVE to know to which unit the timer belongs`
`15:08.47`	`Nash\|327`	`look at my revive timer`
`15:08.54`	`blub_`	`oh`
`15:08.55`	`blub_`	`that`
`15:08.59`	`blub_`	`for when the unit dies....`
`15:09.00`	`Dustin`	`It's still invalid`
`15:09.10`	`nodgene`	`blurb, what is this "struct"? is it what I'd enter in the "custom script" field and makes some rather direct reference to player variables?`
`15:09.20`	`Nash\|327`	`it works for ANY PLAYER and you never need to check who the timer belongs to`
`15:09.33`	`JademusSreg`	`What's happening?`
`15:09.35`	`blub_`	`Nash\|327: ah`
`15:09.36`	`Dustin`	`nodgene, a struct is a record`
`15:09.41`	`blub_`	`Nash\|327: the link didn't work for me earlier for some reason`
`15:09.46`	`nodgene`	`I see.`
`15:09.51`	`Dustin`	`It's like a variable that contains many variables`
`15:09.52`	`blub_`	`really should look at more of those wait functions`
`15:09.55`	`Dustin`	`but can also be an array`
`15:09.59`	`blub_`	`didn't even know there's any wait function until recently`
`15:10.00`	`nodgene`	`The wait function seems to work`
`15:10.19`	`blub_`	`points at Nash\|327`
`15:10.23`	`blub_`	`take his solution :P`
`15:10.48`	`blub_`	`you get the player from the unit, thus also the timer fro that unit, you still need the timer for each unit.. but it's okay`
`15:11.03`	`blub_`	`on the other hand...`
`15:11.03`	`JademusSreg`	`What is this discussion? =D`
`15:11.08`	`blub_`	`you only need the timer for the timer-window`
`15:11.10`	`blub_`	`if you don't need a timer window`
`15:11.21`	`blub_`	`then a simple "Wait" and then "Revive" might work :P`
`15:11.22`	`Dustin`	`Nash is telling nodgene to use waits for a respawn and im saying us a struct with timers`
`15:11.59`	`blub_`	`Dustin: how's that any better`
`15:12.10`	`blub_`	`in both cases he "should" have a struct with timers`
`15:12.13`	`blub_`	`or an array of timers`
`15:12.20`	`nodgene`	`the problem is`
`15:12.21`	`JademusSreg`	`How many respawn groups are we talking?`
`15:12.22`	`blub_`	`nevermind the struct, that's not part of the discussion at all`
`15:12.29`	`nodgene`	`that even with a local timer var in the trigger with waits`
`15:12.43`	`nodgene`	`it complains about negative array values when it gets to the unit create bit after the wait.`
`15:12.44`	`nodgene`	`:\|`
`15:12.46`	`nodgene`	`WHAT HAVE I DONE.`
`15:12.47`	`nodgene`	`:O`
`15:12.55`	`JademusSreg`	`Hah.`
`15:13.03`	`blub_`	`nodgene: negative array "values"?`
`15:13.11`	`nodgene`	`err yes`
`15:13.14`	`nodgene`	`negative array something`
`15:13.20`	`blub_`	`indices probably`
`15:13.35`	`blub_`	`you're working with code here, so you need to be exact with error messages`
`15:13.47`	`nodgene`	`this is true`
`15:13.48`	`nodgene`	`hold on`
`15:13.51`	`Dustin`	`Anywho, back to my map`
`15:15.13`	`JademusSreg`	`I'd use a single timer, a single trigger with an event registered for the timer. If you need to track the spawn group state, use unit groups; if there are multiple groups to track, use a unitgroup array. All of these can be held in a struct.`
`15:15.18`	`nodgene`	`negative array indexes not support :O`
`15:15.49`	`JademusSreg`	`Nope.`
`15:16.04`	`blub_`	`nodgene: then you are indexing the array wrongly :P`
`15:16.06`	`blub_`	`how do you acces the array?`
`15:16.10`	`nodgene`	`:O`
`15:16.21`	`nodgene`	`WHY DOES IT ALWAYS TURN OUT TO BE A PROBLEM UNRELATED TO WHAT I THINK IT IS! Augh`
`15:16.34`	`JademusSreg`	`Indexes start at [0], with a few exceptions, like for unitgroups and playergroups.`
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`15:16.45`	`Bounty`	`Hai guys`
`15:16.47`	`JademusSreg`	`Hi Bounty.`
`15:16.52`	`nodgene`	`oh ho`
`15:16.54`	`nodgene`	`hi*`
`15:17.01`	`Nash\|327`	`mmmm Bounty`
`15:17.09`	`Dustin`	`Sup bud`
`15:17.09`	`Nash\|327`	`coconutty tastiness`
`15:17.10`	`nodgene`	`hold on blurb.`
`15:17.27`	`Bounty`	`Coconut is nasty`
`15:17.55`	`nodgene`	`coconut crab you say?`
`15:18.44`	`Bounty`	`So, JademusSreg`
`15:18.45`	`Nash\|327`	`Bounty is tasty`
`15:18.57`	`Bounty`	`help me figure out a way to make the camera NOT go through cliffs :)`
`15:19.28`	`JademusSreg`	`Ah.`
`15:19.52`	`Bounty`	`That is the only issue i face atm`
`15:19.53`	`JademusSreg`	`That is non-trivial.`
`15:20.31`	`JademusSreg`	`I have an idea though.`
`15:20.36`	`Bounty`	`yeah?`
`15:20.47`	`blub_`	`what kind of camera are we talking about?`
`15:20.58`	`JademusSreg`	`Remember what I said about calculating camera position from camera values?`
`15:21.00`	`Bounty`	`tps`
`15:21.03`	`Bounty`	`yeah`
`15:21.18`	`Bounty`	`there is one problem though`
`15:21.24`	`Bounty`	`i use follow unit group`
`15:21.27`	`Bounty`	`not pan camera`
`15:21.29`	`JademusSreg`	`Since you can find where the camera is, you can also determine where it shouldn't be.`
`15:21.31`	`Bounty`	`bc pan camera jerks`
`15:21.37`	`Bounty`	`if u dont maintain 60 fps`
`15:21.48`	`Bounty`	`if you zoom in the camera to much`
`15:21.52`	`Bounty`	`while following a unit`
`15:21.54`	`Bounty`	`it gets all goofy`
`15:21.59`	`JademusSreg`	`Hah.`
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`15:22.33`	`Dustin`	`I wish we had more control over the camera`
`15:22.41`	`Bounty`	`honestly`
`15:22.43`	`blub_`	`there's a "line goes through cliff" function which you could use I guess...`
`15:22.44`	`Bounty`	`all we need is camera collision`
`15:22.45`	`Bounty`	`thats it`
`15:22.50`	`blub_`	`though I don't think it would tell you where the cliff is so you can cap it`
`15:22.53`	`Dustin`	`Like Move Camera xyz,`
`15:23.21`	`Bounty`	`JademusSreg`
`15:23.26`	`Bounty`	`this is why you couldnt hit anyone yesterday`
`15:23.36`	`Bounty`	`Your camera was most likely to close to a cliff`
`15:23.39`	`JademusSreg`	`Since you can get the default camera object, you can use the camerainfo natives on it. =D`
`15:23.40`	`Bounty`	`so u were shooting the cliff`
`15:23.57`	`JademusSreg`	`Are you using camerainfos or just the default player camera, Bounty?`
`15:24.07`	`Bounty`	`i dont even know wtf ur talking about`
`15:24.14`	`Bounty`	`i dont get how you dont know how to speak to me`
`15:24.16`	`Bounty`	`speak down to me`
`15:24.18`	`Bounty`	`u smart mother fucker`
`15:24.20`	`JademusSreg`	`(camerainfo == Camera Object, the kind you place in the terrain editor)`
`15:24.27`	`Bounty`	`oh`
`15:24.33`	`Bounty`	`Camera Objects`
`15:24.33`	`Bounty`	`yes`
`15:24.42`	`Bounty`	`i have a camera for each player`
`15:24.50`	`JademusSreg`	`Alright. Then you're in an excellent position to do this.`
`15:25.48`	`JademusSreg`	`You need to be willing to change camerainfo values in response to its position, which you can calculate using values from the camerainfo.`
`15:26.13`	`JademusSreg`	`Here's an example of how it would work.`
`15:26.27`	`Nash\|327`	`You need to be willing... MAD SCIENCE EXPERIMENT D:`
`15:26.46`	`Bounty`	`Jademus`
`15:26.50`	`Bounty`	`You dont get it`
`15:27.02`	`Bounty`	`i cant set the camera distance any closer`
`15:27.05`	`Bounty`	`or it gets all goofy`
`15:27.48`	`JademusSreg`	`Say you're backing up into a cliff. In a loop that checks each player camerainfo position, you can see if its point is valid, and modify the Angle of Attack.`
`15:28.12`	`JademusSreg`	`So as you back up into a cliff, the camera will rotate to look down.`
`15:28.26`	`nodgene`	`why does my array hate me? :(`
`15:28.33`	`Bounty`	`You cant do that Jademus`
`15:28.40`	`Bounty`	`not when the players have 100% camera control via the mouse`
`15:28.45`	`Bounty`	`it would look horrid`
`15:28.47`	`JademusSreg`	`It's a camerainfo.`
`15:28.56`	`JademusSreg`	`You can. They only control rotation.`
`15:28.57`	`Nash\|327`	`because you don't know how to please it`
`15:29.06`	`Bounty`	`Jademus`
`15:29.13`	`blub_`	`...`
`15:29.14`	`Bounty`	`when you enable all of the FPS mouse thingies`
`15:29.17`	`Bounty`	`you control rotation`
`15:29.20`	`blub_`	`why don't my model actors show up in the editor anymore....`
`15:29.21`	`Bounty`	`and tilt`
`15:29.25`	`Bounty`	`up down`
`15:29.26`	`Bounty`	`left right`
`15:29.26`	`blub_`	`the arrow and player indicator show up on the portal models`
`15:29.30`	`JademusSreg`	`Angle of Attack is not rotation.`
`15:29.45`	`blub_`	`but I just made another actor which I create a model actor for on actor creation`
`15:29.46`	`JademusSreg`	`Yaw, Roll, and Pitch are rotation.`
`15:29.49`	`blub_`	`and it only shows up in game...`
`15:29.50`	`blub_`	`gaaaaa`
`15:30.04`	`JademusSreg`	`My point is that you can modify the camera position.`
`15:30.05`	`Bounty`	`so you're talking about camera height?`
`15:30.12`	`Bounty`	`if so thats an even worse idea lol`
`15:30.20`	`Bounty`	`considering the shooting takes place from the camera`
`15:30.25`	`Bounty`	`you could just back up into a wall`
`15:30.30`	`Bounty`	`and get a birds eye view of the entire map`
`15:30.31`	`Bounty`	`and snipe`
`15:30.57`	`Nash\|327`	`well I don't know what you are asking for D_D`
`15:31.00`	`blub_`	`aaah`
`15:31.31`	`Nash\|327`	`if you get near a cliff you have to move the camera somewhere`
`15:31.38`	`Nash\|327`	`or it will clip through`
`15:31.48`	`JademusSreg`	`Either implement the mechanism for controlling camera position or do not. You wanted a solution, I told ya how to make it work.`
`15:32.04`	`Bounty`	`Yeah but you're skipping the major problem`
`15:32.07`	`JademusSreg`	`Of course, the details of how you modify the camera position are up to you.`
`15:32.10`	`Bounty`	`I use follow unit group`
`15:32.18`	`Bounty`	`You already saw how pan camera looked`
`15:32.21`	`Bounty`	`on the Embassy map`
`15:32.22`	`Bounty`	`remember?`
`15:32.25`	`Bounty`	`how choppy it was`
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`15:32.29`	`Bounty`	`when framerate wasnt 60`
`15:32.46`	`JademusSreg`	`I think you do not grasp what I mean by modifying the camera position.`
`15:33.06`	`Nash\|327`	`could you switch to first person if you get too close to a cliff to use third person?`
`15:33.09`	`Bounty`	`have you ever used follow unit group?`
`15:33.12`	`JademusSreg`	`I mean changing the camerainfo dynamically.`
`15:33.13`	`Bounty`	`thats what i would do Nash`
`15:33.20`	`Bounty`	`but i dont think anyone here has ever used Follow Unit Group before`
`15:33.22`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`15:33.23`	`JademusSreg`	`Not panning the camera.`
`15:33.39`	`JademusSreg`	`Alright.`
`15:33.43`	`JademusSreg`	`duncare.`
`15:33.48`	`Bounty`	`lol w/e`
`15:33.52`	`Bounty`	`ur not listenign to me ><`
`15:34.17`	`Bounty`	`Follow Unit Group works totally differant then if i was using pan camera`
`15:34.20`	`Bounty`	`i cant move the camera`
`15:34.25`	`Bounty`	`i can only edit its values`
`15:34.34`	`Bounty`	`which i cant set to certain values or it bugs out`
`15:36.43`	`Nash\|327`	`:G`
`15:37.07`	`Bounty`	`i love how i go through this everytime i ask a question`
`15:37.19`	`Bounty`	`what i say gets totally ignored, not to say i dont appreciate peoples responses`
`15:37.40`	`nodgene`	`can you tell me`
`15:37.46`	`nodgene`	`why the game might think this`
`15:37.48`	`nodgene`	`" Unit - Create 1 PlayerHero2TypeSelection[(Triggering player)] for player (Player 1 from (Player group((Triggering player)))) at (Position of PlayerHero1[(Triggering player)]) using default facing (No Options) "`
`15:38.02`	`nodgene`	`refers to an array of an index of negative value?`
`15:38.20`	`Nash\|327`	`next time say that you need a way to check if the camera is colliding with cliff, and if so switch to another camera until original camera no longer collides with cliff :P`
`15:38.25`	`nodgene`	`the triggering player/unit is the same player as that dead one`
`15:38.26`	`Bounty`	`(Player 1 from (Player group((Triggering player)))) at (Position of PlayerHero1[(Triggering player)]) using default facing (No Options) "`
`15:38.45`	`nodgene`	`brb,`
`15:39.01`	`Bounty`	`well thats the thing Nash`
`15:39.08`	`Bounty`	`first off`
`15:39.13`	`Bounty`	`have you ever used Follow Unit Group? :)`
`15:39.21`	`Nash\|327`	`noes D:`
`15:39.24`	`Bounty`	`Its very smooth`
`15:39.26`	`Bounty`	`But`
`15:39.30`	`Bounty`	`very limited on control`
`15:39.50`	`Nash\|327`	`you can't check for collision?`
`15:39.53`	`Bounty`	`i mean really the only way to do this is if there is a way to have REAL camera collision`
`15:39.54`	`Bounty`	`i can`
`15:39.59`	`Bounty`	`but like`
`15:39.59`	`Bounty`	`ok`
`15:40.06`	`Bounty`	`ill explain the problem`
`15:40.20`	`Bounty`	`Follow Unit group sets the camera to follow the units position 100% right?`
`15:40.26`	`Bounty`	`so say i zoom it in all the way`
`15:40.42`	`Bounty`	`the camera flips out when u move it bc its tryign to get the unit in its eye`
`15:40.48`	`Bounty`	`bc ur to close`
`15:40.52`	`Bounty`	`or the position is off`
`15:41.06`	`Bounty`	`i would very much like to make this FPS lol`
`15:41.20`	`Nash\|327`	`well for the FPS, use a different camera without follow unit group`
`15:41.22`	`Bounty`	`not sure how to get the weapon on screen though`
`15:41.25`	`Bounty`	`well yeah`
`15:41.26`	`Bounty`	`for FPS`
`15:41.31`	`Bounty`	`pan camera would work`
`15:41.46`	`Dustin`	`Did you see that one dudes FPS Bounty?`
`15:41.49`	`Bounty`	`yeah`
`15:41.49`	`Dustin`	`It's pretty slick`
`15:41.57`	`Nash\|327`	`right, so when original camera collides, switch to FPS camera`
`15:41.58`	`Bounty`	`i really wanna know how he did it`
`15:42.01`	`Bounty`	`the weapons on screen`
`15:42.09`	`Nash\|327`	`when original camera stops colliding, switch back`
`15:42.10`	`Bounty`	`Nash`
`15:42.14`	`Bounty`	`if i can get a FPS camera`
`15:42.17`	`Bounty`	`i wont even want a TPS camera`
`15:42.19`	`Bounty`	`=P`
`15:42.26`	`Nash\|327`	`ah`
`15:42.33`	`Bounty`	`its a sniper map`
`15:42.39`	`Bounty`	`i think it would work much better a FPS`
`15:42.58`	`Bounty`	`esp considering the soundtrack is built of various tracks for Goldeneye and Perfect Dark`
`15:43.03`	`Bounty`	`Just feels right`
`15:43.12`	`Bounty`	`Dustin, do you have any idea how he got the weapons on screen?`
`15:43.36`	`Nash\|327`	`would changing camera setup fuck up your lag free targeting thingy though?`
`15:43.41`	`Bounty`	`nope`
`15:43.45`	`Bounty`	`it would work better`
`15:43.56`	`Bounty`	`bc then there is no chance to accidently shoot urself lol`
`15:44.16`	`Dustin`	`I'm not sure`
`15:44.31`	`Bounty`	`i mean normally i would say fuck it and just deal with the issue with the cliffs`
`15:44.34`	`Bounty`	`but the thing is`
`15:44.42`	`Bounty`	`you dont have to be EXTREMELY close for it to fuck up`
`15:44.50`	`Bounty`	`if the camera even touches the cliff`
`15:44.52`	`Bounty`	`you shoot the cliff`
`15:45.10`	`Bounty`	`i think im going to PM him`
`15:45.17`	`Bounty`	`hopefully he will share that one piece`
`15:45.23`	`Bounty`	`i can do the rest on my own`
`15:45.25`	`Nash\|327`	`lazy solution: add doodads and stuff around cliffs so you can never get near them`
`15:45.28`	`Nash\|327`	`;G`
`15:45.33`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`15:45.50`	`Bounty`	`that would be quite lazy =P`
`15:46.09`	`Nash\|327`	`even lazier solution: remove cliffs`
`15:46.19`	`Bounty`	`on a sniper map?`
`15:46.21`	`Bounty`	`no way`
`15:46.22`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`15:48.42`	`Bounty`	`hey`
`15:48.43`	`Bounty`	`what the fuck`
`15:48.44`	`Nash\|327`	`another approach: doodads as walls instead of cliffs, which are set to low opacity when camera collides`
`15:48.46`	`Bounty`	`why is my signature`
`15:49.08`	`Bounty`	`"I like lil pink fluffy bunnies"`
`15:49.21`	`Bounty`	`yeah but then you could shoot right through them Nash`
`15:50.00`	`Nash\|327`	`not if you make walls block bullets`
`15:50.08`	`Bounty`	`and how would i do that`
`15:50.23`	`Bounty`	`you know how my system works right?`
`15:50.27`	`Bounty`	`Unit is Clicked`
`15:50.39`	`Nash\|327`	`oh`
`15:50.41`	`Bounty`	`=P`
`15:50.46`	`Nash\|327`	`walls are units?`
`15:50.49`	`Nash\|327`	`;G`
`15:50.50`	`Bounty`	`thats why its not affected by lag`
`15:50.52`	`Bounty`	`nope`
`15:50.56`	`Bounty`	`then the camera would go through the walls`
`15:50.59`	`Bounty`	`and shoot the walls`
`15:51.00`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`15:51.36`	`Bounty`	`unless opacity fixes that`
`15:51.40`	`Nash\|327`	`make walls that are units, then hide them for a player if the player stands right in front of one`
`15:51.46`	`Bounty`	`and makes it so u cant shoot a unit that is hidden via opacity`
`15:51.46`	`Nash\|327`	`something like that :G`
`15:51.57`	`Bounty`	`dont think that would look silly?`
`15:52.06`	`Bounty`	`hide unit = 100% gone`
`15:52.38`	`Nash\|327`	`well many games fade out walls that are blocking camera vision etc`
`15:52.45`	`Bounty`	`yeah`
`15:52.46`	`Bounty`	`opacity`
`15:52.52`	`Bounty`	`but that wont work bc of the way the shooting works`
`15:53.01`	`Bounty`	`opacity doesnt disable its ability to be clicked`
`15:53.27`	`Nash\|327`	`the actual model you see and the wall unit don't need to be connected directly`
`15:53.43`	`Nash\|327`	`you set opacity for the model and remove the unit`
`15:54.08`	`Bounty`	`then anyone could shoot through that wall`
`15:54.15`	`Bounty`	`><`
`15:54.44`	`Nash\|327`	`hmm`
`15:54.54`	`Bounty`	`i sent LinkD a message`
`15:54.56`	`Nash\|327`	`can you make units unclickable for certain players only?`
`15:54.59`	`Bounty`	`hopefully hes willing to share how he did it`
`15:55.03`	`Bounty`	`not that i know of`
`15:55.52`	`Nash\|327`	`:G`
`15:56.24`	`Bounty`	`i do know one thing about that FPS`
`15:56.31`	`Bounty`	`its that the gun that displays on his map`
`15:56.35`	`Bounty`	`is literally on screen`
`15:56.37`	`Bounty`	`like a dialog`
`15:56.46`	`Bounty`	`no idea how the hell he did it`
`15:56.49`	`Dustin`	`You sure?`
`15:56.52`	`Bounty`	`positive`
`15:56.54`	`Bounty`	`watch the video`
`15:56.58`	`Bounty`	`you see how when he turns`
`15:57.01`	`Bounty`	`the flashlight is delayed`
`15:57.04`	`Bounty`	`but not the weapon`
`15:57.16`	`Bounty`	`the flashlight = the actually unit turning`
`15:57.24`	`Dustin`	`Good point`
`15:57.26`	`Bounty`	`the weapon is always 100% at the location that it should be`
`15:57.33`	`Bounty`	`which cant be done unless its ON the screen`
`15:57.37`	`Bounty`	`unless he used some dark magic`
`15:57.54`	`Bounty`	`i think he should share that information lol`
`15:57.56`	`Bounty`	`bc thats a big deal`
`15:58.05`	`Nash\|327`	`well, first person weapons never use the actual player model`
`15:58.06`	`Bounty`	`fully animated models on screen like a dialog? epic`
`15:59.00`	`Nash\|327`	`I was thinking some sort of floating actor attached to camera`
`15:59.13`	`Bounty`	`that would lag though`
`15:59.14`	`Bounty`	`on bnet`
`15:59.20`	`Bounty`	`when you turn`
`15:59.29`	`Bounty`	`his doesnt`
`16:00.09`	`Bounty`	`what about portraits?`
`16:00.16`	`Bounty`	`can portraits be used to display a model on scren`
`16:00.19`	`Bounty`	`animated`
`16:00.52`	`Nash\|327`	`portraits are animated :G`
`16:01.00`	`Bounty`	`ok so`
`16:01.05`	`Bounty`	`i can use a model of a gun`
`16:01.07`	`Bounty`	`as a portrait`
`16:01.09`	`Bounty`	`yes?`
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`16:02.07`	`Bounty`	`trying itn ow`
`16:02.11`	`Bounty`	`lets see :)`
`16:02.20`	`nodgene`	`augh`
`16:02.39`	`nodgene`	`whatever I do it keeps saying a negative array index is to fault`
`16:03.06`	`nodgene`	`but I don't understand what part of the create unit action is to fault, since the same thing worked perfectly for when the player selects 2 units to begin with`
`16:03.27`	`Nash\|327`	`your trigger was weird`
`16:03.41`	`Bounty`	`ok`
`16:03.43`	`Bounty`	`it works`
`16:03.48`	`nodgene`	`weird how?`
`16:03.50`	`Bounty`	`but there is some stupid border`
`16:03.52`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`16:04.08`	`Nash\|327`	`you made a player group from a player and then picked the first player in that`
`16:04.14`	`nodgene`	`oh yes I removed that`
`16:04.18`	`nodgene`	`don't know why I did that`
`16:04.26`	`nodgene`	`but that wasn't the issue`
`16:04.52`	`Nash\|327`	`what event is it using?`
`16:05.29`	`*** join/#sc2mapster nodgene_ (519e3572@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.158.53.114)`
`16:05.36`	`Bounty`	`lawl`
`16:05.38`	`Bounty`	`i think i got it...`
`16:05.41`	`nodgene_`	`back`
`16:05.42`	`Bounty`	`he uses portraits`
`16:05.46`	`Bounty`	`for the weapons`
`16:05.50`	`Nash\|327`	`you use triggering player as array index for an event which might not define a triggering player`
`16:06.03`	`nodgene_`	`" Unit - Create 1 PlayerHero2TypeSelection[(Triggering player)] for player (Triggering player) at (Position of PlayerHero1[(Triggering player)]) using default facing (No Options) "`
`16:06.28`	`Nash\|327`	`so... what event`
`16:06.31`	`Bounty`	`guys`
`16:06.36`	`Bounty`	`is there somewhere on mapster`
`16:06.41`	`Bounty`	`that has JUST the gun model`
`16:06.43`	`Bounty`	`s`
`16:06.46`	`Bounty`	`detached from their hosts`
`16:06.47`	`nodgene_`	`that's what I thought might be an issue`
`16:06.48`	`nodgene_`	`unit dies`
`16:07.01`	`Nash\|327`	`use owner of unit triggering unit`
`16:07.16`	`Nash\|327`	`kthx`
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`16:07.23`	`nodgene_`	`I tried that, but it claimed it couldn't call an element beyond the end of an array or something to that effect`
`16:07.23`	`nodgene_`	`:\|`
`16:07.49`	`Bounty`	`anyone?`
`16:07.59`	`Nash\|327`	`well the array, is it defined for all players?`
`16:08.04`	`Nash\|327`	`or just some?`
`16:08.11`	`*** mode/#sc2mapster [+v Hati] by ChanServ`
`16:08.30`	`Nash\|327`	`after all, any unit dies triggers for, well, any unit`
`16:08.31`	`nodgene_`	`it isn't defined to begin with, it adds players as they come along and use the triggers I think`
`16:08.39`	`nodgene_`	`but this array works fine prior to this trigger`
`16:08.49`	`nodgene_`	`if it wasn't functional the player couldn't choose the 2 units to start with`
`16:09.00`	`Nash\|327`	`what is the array size?`
`16:09.06`	`nodgene_`	`hold on, let me try this owner thing, I may not have put it in all the slots`
`16:11.48`	`nodgene_`	`right using the owner of triggering unit`
`16:11.49`	`nodgene_`	`I get`
`16:11.51`	`nodgene_`	`""trying to access an element past the end of an array""`
`16:11.59`	`Nash\|327`	`so again`
`16:12.00`	`Nash\|327`	`what is the array size?`
`16:12.05`	`nodgene_`	`The array is size 12`
`16:12.22`	`Nash\|327`	`and did you place units for player 13 or higher?`
`16:12.31`	`nodgene_`	`No`
`16:12.36`	`nodgene_`	`This is with player 1 units`
`16:12.41`	`nodgene_`	`that are spawned and kill each other`
`16:12.46`	`Deaod`	`what did you declare that array with, GUI or galaxy?`
`16:13.05`	`nodgene_`	`GUI?`
`16:13.10`	`Deaod`	`hrm`
`16:13.26`	`nodgene_`	`I mean it'd be strange if it was the array that is the issue`
`16:13.40`	`Nash\|327`	`try the trigger with creating a zergling at the correct posision`
`16:13.40`	`nodgene_`	`because it works fine in mp games with multiple players to spawn different unit types`
`16:13.49`	`nodgene_`	`kk`
`16:14.00`	`Nash\|327`	`and then with creating the correct unit at some arbitrary point`
`16:14.20`	`Nash\|327`	`then you'll see if one or both of the arrays are fucked :G`
`16:14.35`	`nodgene_`	`good idea`
`16:14.43`	`Bounty`	`Guys`
`16:14.54`	`Bounty`	`Does anyone know where i can find the gun models for the weapons that units hold?`
`16:14.58`	`Bounty`	`Just the weapon models`
`16:16.04`	`Nash\|327`	`negatory`
`16:17.00`	`nodgene_`	`they'd be in the unit model file, surely?`
`16:17.09`	`Bounty`	`sadly not :(`
`16:18.07`	`Bounty`	`but yeah`
`16:18.10`	`Bounty`	`Nash and Dustin`
`16:18.18`	`Bounty`	`i am quite sure that LinkD used Portraits`
`16:18.23`	`Bounty`	`for the guns to appear on screen`
`16:18.33`	`Bounty`	`i tried it and it worked fine, had a little ghost in the corner`
`16:18.34`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`16:18.51`	`Dustin`	`hehe`
`16:19.46`	`nodgene_`	`changing to zergling has no effect`
`16:20.12`	`nodgene_`	`changing position`
`16:22.01`	`nodgene_`	`WHAT`
`16:22.05`	`nodgene_`	`PARAMETER UNIT OUT OF BOUNDS`
`16:22.08`	`nodgene_`	`Min 0 max 16`
`16:22.10`	`nodgene_`	`right`
`16:22.16`	`nodgene_`	`this is getting more trippy and strange`
`16:24.41`	`Nash\|327`	`D_D`
`16:25.02`	`Bounty`	`Help me find weapon models guys`
`16:25.07`	`Bounty`	`gotta be somewhere on mapster`
`16:25.46`	`Nash\|327`	`I don't think having 5 people search for the same thing helps all that much`
`16:26.07`	`nodgene_`	`Same error now`
`16:26.10`	`nodgene_`	`negative indexd`
`16:26.15`	`nodgene_`	`I'M NOT USING AN ARRAY FOR YOU`
`16:26.23`	`nodgene_`	`Why must you be such a hater that hates!`
`16:26.26`	`Dekar`	`well`
`16:26.28`	`Bounty`	`When it comes to mapster, it does help Nash :)`
`16:26.28`	`Dekar`	`0-16`
`16:26.31`	`Dekar`	`= 17 players`
`16:26.35`	`Dekar`	`naturally out of bounds`
`16:26.38`	`Bounty`	`cant find jack`
`16:26.41`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha.`
`16:26.41`	`Dekar`	`as there are only 16`
`16:27.12`	`nodgene_`	`how the hell can it be calling player 17`
`16:27.32`	`Dekar`	`player 0 = neutral = index 0`
`16:27.42`	`Dekar`	`erm`
`16:27.43`	`Dekar`	`well`
`16:27.45`	`Dekar`	`player 1`
`16:27.52`	`Dekar`	`uses player number 0`
`16:28.04`	`Nash\|327`	`no D_D`
`16:28.06`	`Dekar`	`EVERYTHING CLEAR NOW? :D`
`16:28.28`	`Bounty`	`like wtf`
`16:28.30`	`Dekar`	`player number 0 = player 1 = neutral`
`16:28.32`	`Bounty`	`what happend to that thread`
`16:28.37`	`Bounty`	`the First Person Shooter Test map`
`16:28.43`	`Bounty`	`he had a link in THAT thread`
`16:28.47`	`Bounty`	`to where he got the models from`
`16:28.52`	`Nash\|327`	`player 0 is neutral`
`16:29.10`	`Bounty`	`HA`
`16:29.10`	`Bounty`	`got it`
`16:29.12`	`Bounty`	`mother fucker`
`16:29.13`	`Bounty`	`http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/item-drops-armor-and-weapon-each/`
`16:32.02`	`nodgene_`	`right`
`16:32.06`	`nodgene_`	`you salty cunt of a trigger`
`16:32.09`	`nodgene_`	`changing the player to 1`
`16:32.22`	`nodgene_`	`a zergling, at the first point on the map that's defined, for player 1`
`16:32.26`	`nodgene_`	`THERE'S NO ARRAY IN THAT`
`16:32.29`	`nodgene_`	`Bastard, let's see.`
`16:33.01`	`blub_`	`huh?`
`16:33.34`	`Bounty`	`Ah fuck!`
`16:33.40`	`Bounty`	`the gun is on its side`
`16:33.43`	`nodgene_`	`still trying to access bit of array past bounds or somethng`
`16:33.47`	`Bounty`	`well son of a fuck bitch ass salt fish`
`16:33.49`	`Bounty`	`!!!!!!!!!!!!!!`
`16:34.25`	`Nash\|327`	`rage against the machine gun?`
`16:34.26`	`Bounty`	`is there a way to rotate a portrait model on its side`
`16:35.49`	`nodgene_`	`You must be joking`
`16:35.51`	`nodgene_`	`it works now`
`16:36.23`	`nodgene_`	`the issue was apparently the reference in the conditions to the unitarray checking if the unit was alive or not`
`16:36.55`	`nodgene_`	`hurr`
`16:37.35`	`Nash\|327`	`yay.`
`16:37.59`	`Nash\|327`	`next time pastebin all the triggers in their entirety :P`
`16:38.40`	`nodgene_`	`NOW it's time to slowly and surely reconstruct the trigger and trying to avoid problems.`
`16:39.43`	`nodgene_`	`fuck`
`16:39.49`	`nodgene_`	`now it's complaining again about the unit type array`
`16:40.04`	`nodgene_`	`what the fuck is wrong with this trigger, plenty of others work with the arrays referring players via triggering`
`16:40.51`	`Bounty`	`oh fuck yeah`
`16:40.52`	`Bounty`	`im a genius`
`16:41.04`	`Bounty`	`wait no`
`16:41.06`	`Bounty`	`didnt work`
`16:41.07`	`Bounty`	`scrap that`
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`16:41.33`	`nodgene_`	`this works`
`16:41.36`	`nodgene_`	`" Unit - Create 1 PlayerHero2TypeSelection[(Triggering player)] for player (Player 1 from (Player group((Triggering player)))) at Array_spawnPoints[LocalRandomPositionInteger] using default facing (No Options) "`
`16:41.48`	`nodgene_`	`this doesn't " Unit - Create 1 PlayerHero2TypeSelection[(Triggering player)] for player 1 at Point_A_01 using default facing (No Options) "`
`16:42.10`	`nodgene_`	`both triggers have a unit dies event`
`16:42.30`	`nodgene_`	`actually no sorry`
`16:42.40`	`nodgene_`	`the one that works's event is a dialog selected, "any player"`
`16:42.48`	`nodgene_`	`the one that doesn't is "unit dies"`
`16:43.26`	`AlphA_VsT`	`rawr`
`16:43.29`	`nodgene_`	`changing to "owner of"`
`16:43.30`	`AlphA_VsT`	`morning like`
`16:43.37`	`Bounty`	`alpha`
`16:43.48`	`AlphA_VsT`	`yeah?`
`16:43.56`	`Bounty`	`do you know how to rotate a portrait? Full 3D rotation`
`16:44.16`	`Bounty`	`like said i use a ghost model as a portrait`
`16:44.23`	`Bounty`	`and hes on his side and facin the wrong way`
`16:44.23`	`Bounty`	`etc`
`16:44.59`	`AlphA_VsT`	`why would be be facign the wrong way lol`
`16:45.09`	`nodgene_`	`no, still "tryingt o acess past the end of an arry"`
`16:45.13`	`nodgene_`	`oh hi alpha`
`16:45.21`	`Bounty`	`thats not a valid question lol`
`16:45.28`	`Bounty`	`im just giving an example`
`16:45.36`	`Bounty`	`i just wanna know if it can be done =P`
`16:47.32`	`AlphA_VsT`	`oh lol`
`16:47.35`	`AlphA_VsT`	`um`
`16:47.41`	`Nash\|327`	`enter index 1 instead`
`16:47.41`	`AlphA_VsT`	`ive never done it`
`16:47.43`	`AlphA_VsT`	`but`
`16:47.55`	`Nash\|327`	`see if that works ;G`
`16:47.56`	`AlphA_VsT`	`3d models have there own camera`
`16:48.28`	`Bounty`	`ok, im listening`
`16:48.29`	`Bounty`	`><`
`16:48.53`	`AlphA_VsT`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:49.19`	`Bounty`	`ok but how do i get that to apply to just the portrait`
`16:50.23`	`AlphA_VsT`	`thats all it does`
`16:50.24`	`AlphA_VsT`	`0.o`
`16:50.31`	`nodgene_`	`fuck it, deleting you bastard trigger.`
`16:50.38`	`Bounty`	`what?`
`16:50.45`	`AlphA_VsT`	`whats wrong nodgene_ ?`
`16:50.50`	`Bounty`	`i just use that action and it will only apply to the portrait?`
`16:51.17`	`AlphA_VsT`	`it uses the camera settings specific to the unit used mostly for portraits`
`16:51.30`	`Bounty`	`yeah but how do i set it to the portrait model`
`16:51.30`	`nodgene_`	`Well alpha, in my map I've been trying to make it so that after a unit dies, (of the two the player chooses at the start and are saved to unit type and unit ints respectively)...`
`16:51.32`	`Bounty`	`it only uses units`
`16:51.39`	`AlphA_VsT`	`read the help text lol`
`16:51.49`	`AlphA_VsT`	`fuck`
`16:51.52`	`nodgene_`	`they are respawned after X seconds at their surviving buddy`
`16:52.00`	`AlphA_VsT`	`lol`
`16:52.10`	`Bounty`	`ok? but it doesnt say anything about whta i just asked lol`
`16:52.17`	`Bounty`	`last created unit wouldnt return the portrait`
`16:52.18`	`nodgene_`	`got it to work in respect to timers and shit, but when it came to actually creating the unit it fucked up and complained of arrays`
`16:52.22`	`Bounty`	`or are portraits units?`
`16:52.51`	`AlphA_VsT`	`it cahnges the camera atatched to the units portriat`
`16:53.01`	`AlphA_VsT`	`i think thats pretty clear`
`16:53.04`	`Dustin`	`nodgene, pastee your trigger`
`16:53.12`	`Bounty`	`lol im not using the portrait from a unit though`
`16:53.15`	`Bounty`	`its completely differant`
`16:53.42`	`AlphA_VsT`	`then what are you doing if you dont want to change the portrait?`
`16:53.52`	`Bounty`	`alright`
`16:53.53`	`Bounty`	`fine`
`16:53.56`	`nodgene_`	`http://pastebin.ca/2049821`
`16:53.57`	`Bounty`	`i have a moel of a gun`
`16:54.01`	`Bounty`	`but the gun is on its side`
`16:54.04`	`nodgene_`	`IT TAKES OFFENSE AT the reference to triggering player`
`16:54.04`	`Bounty`	`and facing the wrong way`
`16:54.10`	`Bounty`	`basically it looks horrid`
`16:54.20`	`Bounty`	`i want the gun to face properly as if its a FPS`
`16:55.15`	`AlphA_VsT`	`so you want to change the model? direction do it in 3ds max 0.o`
`16:55.24`	`Nash\|327`	`why don't you just use unit type of triggering unit?`
`16:55.29`	`Nash\|327`	`why use the array?`
`16:55.33`	`Nash\|327`	`:G`
`16:55.49`	`nodgene_`	`for what bit, nash?`
`16:55.49`	`Bounty`	`i dont think i can use 3dx max anymore`
`16:55.51`	`Bounty`	`think my trial ran up`
`16:55.54`	`Nash\|327`	`unit dies, create another unit of same type`
`16:55.55`	`blub_`	`is 3ds max free? :O`
`16:55.58`	`Bounty`	`no`
`16:56.01`	`Bounty`	`there is a trial`
`16:56.02`	`nodgene_`	`that's not the intention nash`
`16:56.06`	`Bounty`	`but im pretty sure mine expired lol`
`16:56.11`	`nodgene_`	`the player selects 2 units at the start that can be different`
`16:56.14`	`blub_`	`are there blender import/exporters?`
`16:56.21`	`Nash\|327`	`yes, and?`
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`16:56.31`	`Dustin`	`Unit - Create 1 PlayerHero2TypeSelection[(Triggering player)] for player 1 at Point_A_01 using default facing (No Options) Needs to be`
`16:56.36`	`Nash\|327`	`when one of them die`
`16:56.43`	`Nash\|327`	`you want to create another of the same type`
`16:56.44`	`nodgene_`	`so you can't have a one killed, and the one that respawns is then a copy of the first one that was a different type...`
`16:56.44`	`Dustin`	`Unit - Create 1 PlayerHero2TypeSelection[OwnerOf(Triggering Unit)] for player 1 at Point_A_01 using default facing (No Options)`
`16:57.14`	`nodgene_`	`no I don't want it to be the same`
`16:57.24`	`nodgene_`	`the player may choose a different unit type for their second selection`
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`16:57.34`	`Dekar`	`did you set PlayerHero2TypeSelection ?`
`16:57.35`	`nodgene_`	`say, a high templar and immortal`
`16:57.40`	`Dustin`	`Nodgene`
`16:57.41`	`nodgene_`	`yes`
`16:57.45`	`Dustin`	`Look at what I said`
`16:57.49`	`nodgene_`	`this has been selected, otherwise it wouldn't spawn`
`16:57.49`	`Dustin`	`That's your problem`
`16:57.59`	`AlphA_VsT`	`yeah`
`16:58.06`	`AlphA_VsT`	`what Dustin said`
`16:58.28`	`Nash\|327`	`we covered that D;`
`16:58.31`	`nodgene_`	`yes dustin, I know, but I need to know how to make it work properly, calling the triggering player's value within the array`
`16:58.50`	`Dustin`	`That's what I just told you to do`
`16:59.05`	`Nash\|327`	`didn't you try it with owner of unit?`
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`16:59.11`	`nodgene_`	`oh`
`16:59.13`	`nodgene_`	`right sorry`
`16:59.17`	`nodgene_`	`owner of, I don'tt hink that works either`
`16:59.19`	`AlphA_VsT`	`lol`
`16:59.21`	`nodgene_`	`I'll try it again`
`16:59.24`	`AlphA_VsT`	`sure it does`
`16:59.29`	`Nash\|327`	`(18:43:28) (nodgene_) changing to "owner of"`
`16:59.30`	`Nash\|327`	`D_D`
`16:59.56`	`nodgene_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:00.19`	`nodgene_`	`??`
`17:00.21`	`Dustin`	`That's only going to work if you make conditions in the triggers`
`17:00.22`	`nodgene_`	`in theory good?`
`17:00.32`	`Dustin`	`Right now, if any unit dies it'll run that trigger`
`17:00.50`	`nodgene_`	`there are conditions`
`17:00.51`	`Dustin`	`That's why I said use For Each Integer and compare`
`17:00.52`	`blub_`	`http://stud4.tuwien.ac.at/~e0725517/images/Screenshot2011-04-23%2019_00_19.jpg`
`17:00.58`	`blub_`	`"made" some models...`
`17:01.01`	`nodgene_`	`http://pastebin.ca/2049821`
`17:01.01`	`blub_`	`(put together some)`
`17:01.07`	`nodgene_`	`for each?`
`17:01.15`	`Bounty`	`well that sucks`
`17:01.18`	`Dustin`	`nodgene_, still, if ANY unit dies and those conditions are true it'll try to run the trigger`
`17:01.19`	`Bounty`	`cant fucking use 3dx max`
`17:01.21`	`Bounty`	`bc my trial is up`
`17:01.22`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`17:01.28`	`Dekar`	`blub_ how do you create the beams?`
`17:02.06`	`nodgene_`	`I see what you mean, but that's not what's causing the problem at the moment I don't think.`
`17:02.18`	`Dustin`	`Are you getting an array out of bounds error?`
`17:02.25`	`nodgene_`	`I was`
`17:02.30`	`blub_`	`Dekar: what of them? model/data?`
`17:02.32`	`AlphA_VsT`	`bounty which version you running?`
`17:02.33`	`nodgene_`	`now it's negative index complaint`
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`17:02.38`	`Dekar`	`data`
`17:02.39`	`Bounty`	`2011`
`17:02.46`	`AlphA_VsT`	`downlaod 2012`
`17:02.50`	`AlphA_VsT`	`it should work`
`17:03.02`	`Bounty`	`yeah but then i only have another 30 days`
`17:03.07`	`AlphA_VsT`	`so`
`17:03.08`	`blub_`	`Dekar: they're phalanx beams with 0.7 opacity and tint color 62,149,255 HDR 0.5`
`17:03.09`	`Bounty`	`what if i wanna do something else one day`
`17:03.12`	`Bounty`	`30 days from now`
`17:03.12`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`17:03.16`	`Dustin`	`Add a If then Wrapper to your actions If Owner of Triggering Unit = 1`
`17:03.18`	`AlphA_VsT`	`download 2010`
`17:03.23`	`Dekar`	`well, more like`
`17:03.25`	`Bounty`	`ok then 30 days from that`
`17:03.30`	`AlphA_VsT`	`2009`
`17:03.31`	`Dekar`	`how to tell the game to dispaly them :p`
`17:03.42`	`AlphA_VsT`	`and then your just going to have to buy it or um....`
`17:03.44`	`blub_`	`Dekar: oh, I create them for every portal they enter :P`
`17:03.50`	`Dekar`	`but how?`
`17:03.52`	`Bounty`	`do the import scripts work for all versions?`
`17:04.00`	`Dekar`	`are they are unit spammed along the line or what?`
`17:04.25`	`nodgene_`	`"tryingt o access element beyond end of array" with "owner of (triggering unit)"`
`17:04.33`	`Nash\|327`	`nodgene I can't be arsed troubleshooting partial triggers :/`
`17:04.39`	`AlphA_VsT`	`they should bounty`
`17:04.48`	`blub_`	`whenever a portal is "changed" (created), I go through all the beams, and if the beam goes through it (and has not yet gone through that portal-pair), I remove all the "children" (in case is is currently entering a portal further away), and start creating the new beams`
`17:04.48`	`nodgene_`	`k`
`17:04.48`	`Dustin`	`Do you have other units in the map that are dieing?`
`17:04.51`	`Nash\|327`	`give me all your triggers :G`
`17:04.53`	`blub_`	`remove+create units`
`17:05.00`	`Nash\|327`	`or the map file`
`17:05.02`	`Nash\|327`	`D_D`
`17:05.02`	`blub_`	`and for the length: I trace ahead, and then set the model scale`
`17:05.07`	`Dekar`	`oh`
`17:05.13`	`Dekar`	`clever`
`17:05.14`	`Dekar`	`:p`
`17:05.15`	`nodgene_`	`I shee`
`17:05.17`	`nodgene_`	`okay hold on`
`17:05.24`	`blub_`	`to scale to "beamlength / (size of the beam in the model)"`
`17:05.31`	`Nash\|327`	`because without information it's kinda hard to find where the problem is :G`
`17:05.35`	`nodgene_`	`what's a good filehosting website to use`
`17:05.43`	`blub_`	`like, this beam is about 6 units long`
`17:05.48`	`blub_`	`at scale 1`
`17:05.52`	`Nash\|327`	`google docs :P`
`17:05.54`	`Dustin`	`nodgene_, do you want me to just makeyou a simple map to showcase how to do this?`
`17:06.08`	`blub_`	`so if I want it to be 12 units long I scale it to 2`
`17:06.22`	`blub_`	`that above is wrong`
`17:06.24`	`nodgene_`	`Well it needs to be integrated into what I've got already, dustin.`
`17:06.35`	`blub_`	`or actually`
`17:06.37`	`blub_`	`is right`
`17:06.38`	`Dustin`	`But it'll show you how to go about it`
`17:06.38`	`blub_`	`haha`
`17:06.41`	`Dekar`	`:D`
`17:06.45`	`blub_`	`mixed up * and / XD`
`17:06.51`	`blub_`	`length / original length`
`17:07.04`	`Dustin`	`Because you're not understanding the logic behind everything right now`
`17:07.07`	`blub_`	`12 / 6 = 2`
`17:07.19`	`nodgene_`	`alright,`
`17:07.43`	`blub_`	`Dekar: I added a unit ID system`
`17:07.53`	`blub_`	`Dekar: and store the portals a beam enters and leaves, and its parent and child beam`
`17:07.57`	`blub_`	`Dekar: in the datatable`
`17:08.05`	`Nash\|327`	`also, your trigger fails if both hero units are dead :P`
`17:08.12`	`blub_`	`Dekar: as units named "/Unit/" + id + "/child", /parent, /into, /outof`
`17:08.15`	`Dekar`	`its a nice system but only works for static beams sadly`
`17:08.34`	`blub_`	`Dekar: well, what would a non-static beam be like?`
`17:08.43`	`blub_`	`you mean like, rotating or something`
`17:08.44`	`AlphA_VsT`	`lol`
`17:08.53`	`Dekar`	`"ablities"`
`17:08.56`	`Dekar`	`blah`
`17:09.04`	`Dekar`	`abilities`
`17:09.14`	`Dekar`	`or lets say`
`17:09.20`	`Dekar`	`a map where units move`
`17:09.25`	`Dekar`	`and they are connected by beams`
`17:09.49`	`blub_`	`beam unit would have to be updated every frame...`
`17:09.54`	`blub_`	`^^`
`17:09.56`	`Dekar`	`someone found out yet how to create beams with a actor trigger?`
`17:09.56`	`blub_`	`otherwise lags behind`
`17:09.59`	`nodgene_`	`nash, map http://www.mediafire.com/?5xxg1lq95s2j946`
`17:10.15`	`blub_`	`Dekar: huh?`
`17:10.25`	`blub_`	`other than creating a beam model/effect actor?`
`17:10.38`	`Dekar`	`a real beam actor attaching to 2 units`
`17:10.49`	`Dekar`	`on creation`
`17:10.56`	`Dekar`	`and then you can leave it alone`
`17:11.18`	`blub_`	`ah`
`17:11.21`	`blub_`	`well`
`17:11.25`	`blub_`	`how do voidray beams work? :P`
`17:11.30`	`Dekar`	`weapon`
`17:11.33`	`blub_`	`so?`
`17:11.43`	`blub_`	`need to be some kind of targetted effect actor :/`
`17:11.56`	`Dekar`	`no idea`
`17:11.59`	`blub_`	`void ray attack beam`
`17:12.02`	`blub_`	`actor type: beam(simple)`
`17:12.07`	`blub_`	`maybe a beam actor? :P`
`17:12.27`	`blub_`	`seems to ahve a Launch and an Impact host`
`17:12.34`	`blub_`	`maybe you can set that somehow`
`17:13.28`	`Nash\|327`	`you set hero to No Unit and then in next trigger check if unit is alive?`
`17:14.08`	`Dekar`	`i wait for people with more actor knowledge than me to figure it out`
`17:15.19`	`AlphA_VsT`	`lol`
`17:15.54`	`AlphA_VsT`	`its teh simple things Nash\|327 :P`
`17:16.22`	`nodgene_`	`:O`
`17:16.27`	`nodgene_`	`MAYBE THAT WAS AN ISSUE`
`17:16.29`	`Nash\|327`	`why do you set PlayerHeroX to No Unit?`
`17:16.41`	`Nash\|327`	`D_D`
`17:16.44`	`nodgene_`	`But it worked even with that`
`17:16.52`	`blub_`	`can "set reference*" actor messages be used to set a Host? like, change ::Creator to something else?`
`17:17.21`	`nodgene_`	`it sets hero to none if it counts as dead`
`17:17.37`	`Nash\|327`	`why not check if the unit is dead instead? D_D`
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`17:17.58`	`Nash\|327`	`later you check if unit is alive on a No Unit :G`
`17:18.06`	`nodgene_`	`possibly...`
`17:18.24`	`Dustin`	`Testing now nodgene_`
`17:18.27`	`nodgene_`	`but as bad at triggering as this is, does it affect the aforementioned issue?`
`17:18.28`	`Nash\|327`	`gonna run the map now and see what happens`
`17:18.30`	`nodgene_`	`yaaaay dustin`
`17:19.34`	`AlphA_VsT`	`lol`
`17:19.42`	`AlphA_VsT`	`learn to trigger gosh :P`
`17:20.09`	`Nash\|327`	`bad triggering can lead to all kinds of issues`
`17:20.27`	`nodgene_`	`Augh, I've just been happy things work! :O`
`17:22.16`	`AlphA_VsT`	`yes it can`
`17:22.23`	`AlphA_VsT`	`like major headaches`
`17:22.40`	`AlphA_VsT`	`and not realizing the reason a trigger isnt working is because its off`
`17:22.58`	`nodgene_`	`:\|`
`17:24.02`	`Dustin`	`http://dl.dropbox.com/u/843426/RespawnTest.SC2Map`
`17:24.04`	`Dustin`	`There ya go`
`17:24.16`	`Dustin`	`You'll have to add some logic on what to do when both units are dead`
`17:24.20`	`nodgene_`	`thank you very much dustin`
`17:24.23`	`Dustin`	`no prob`
`17:24.37`	`nodgene_`	`I'll have a look and see what I can learn from this :)`
`17:24.55`	`Dustin`	`I used structs in it because they are so much more handy`
`17:25.12`	`AlphA_VsT`	`structs?`
`17:25.17`	`Dustin`	`Records`
`17:25.28`	`AlphA_VsT`	`oh`
`17:25.31`	`AlphA_VsT`	`i fucking hate those`
`17:25.35`	`Dustin`	`What :O`
`17:25.52`	`Nash\|327`	`I just reduced your unitDies trigger to 4 actions`
`17:25.54`	`Dustin`	`Records are the end all be all badasses of the editor`
`17:26.16`	`AlphA_VsT`	`last time i used them it didnt work`
`17:26.23`	`AlphA_VsT`	`fucked my map hard`
`17:26.40`	`Dustin`	`lol`
`17:26.45`	`Dustin`	`How were you using them? :P`
`17:26.58`	`Nash\|327`	`unit choice dialog only shows when both units are dead, right?`
`17:27.01`	`AlphA_VsT`	`trying to set data to them and then recalling it`
`17:27.06`	`AlphA_VsT`	`this was back in beta`
`17:27.09`	`AlphA_VsT`	`though`
`17:27.22`	`Dustin`	`I use them in every map Ive made`
`17:27.43`	`Dustin`	`Usually to store all player data in one record array`
`17:27.44`	`AlphA_VsT`	`and they didnt have those blah[#]."thing"`
`17:28.07`	`AlphA_VsT`	`0.o`
`17:28.09`	`Dustin`	`I dont think you set them up right then :P`
`17:28.23`	`nodgene_`	`Fuck sake Nash... must you be so... much better than me? :D`
`17:28.34`	`Dustin`	`You have to make a record, then a variable to refrencethe record then set the variable stuff`
`17:29.02`	`AlphA_VsT`	`then whats the point`
`17:29.03`	`AlphA_VsT`	`0.o`
`17:29.05`	`Nash\|327`	`I'm not seeing why you just can't use create triggering unit, with conditions to check that the dead unit was one of the heroes`
`17:29.39`	`A1win`	`records are basically just collections of variables`
`17:30.00`	`AlphA_VsT`	`yeah so why should you have to make a variable to referance the variable`
`17:30.03`	`AlphA_VsT`	`0.o`
`17:30.08`	`JademusSreg`	`=D`
`17:30.08`	`A1win`	`record is not a variable`
`17:30.11`	`A1win`	`it's a variable type`
`17:30.19`	`AlphA_VsT`	`same thing`
`17:30.22`	`A1win`	`nope :P`
`17:30.38`	`AlphA_VsT`	`why the fuck do you have to set a variable to referance it if it uses variables`
`17:30.42`	`A1win`	`unit is a variable type, integer is a variable type, record is a variable type`
`17:30.44`	`nodgene_`	`It doesn't help that the lot of you can't agree on the type of advice to dispense! :\|`
`17:30.49`	`Dustin`	`AlphA_VsT`
`17:30.50`	`AlphA_VsT`	`that makes no sense and is useless to me`
`17:30.50`	`JademusSreg`	`If structs were variables, you would be able to store and pass them. =D`
`17:31.04`	`AlphA_VsT`	`USELESS!!!!!!`
`17:31.11`	`Dustin`	`The Record defines variables, the Variable of type Record initiates it`
`17:31.16`	`A1win`	`it helps organizing your shit`
`17:31.21`	`Dustin`	`You arnet a programmer are you?`
`17:31.28`	`AlphA_VsT`	`sorta`
`17:31.38`	`AlphA_VsT`	`i can make things work :P`
`17:31.45`	`A1win`	`but yeah the records are pretty limited`
`17:31.48`	`Dustin`	`Im talking an actuall programming langue`
`17:31.57`	`A1win`	`they don't really bring anything "new" for you`
`17:32.00`	`JademusSreg`	`In truth, you declare variables of a struct type, but they just can't be passed like other variables, which makes programmers sad.`
`17:32.05`	`AlphA_VsT`	`whats and actually programming lang?`
`17:32.29`	`Dustin`	`C,C# etc`
`17:32.38`	`Dustin`	`Where you use OOP technologies`
`17:33.05`	`AlphA_VsT`	`so JademusSreg im not crazy for thinking you shouldnt need to set a variable to use the record? thats how i tried to use them in the first place 0.o`
`17:33.06`	`Dustin`	`Galaxy is a Scripting langauge`
`17:33.13`	`A1win`	`records aren't nothing like objects though :P`
`17:33.22`	`A1win`	`they just have one feature that objects have`
`17:33.24`	`Dustin`	`They are like Structs sir`
`17:33.30`	`JademusSreg`	`Naw, of course you need to declare variables of struct type.`
`17:33.35`	`Dustin`	`crappy structs, but structs nonetheless`
`17:33.44`	`AlphA_VsT`	`fuck them hard`
`17:33.56`	`Dustin`	`You need to initialize Structs`
`17:34.05`	`Dustin`	`which is the variable = record thing`
`17:34.07`	`AlphA_VsT`	`fuck that`
`17:34.14`	`AlphA_VsT`	`worthless`
`17:34.17`	`JademusSreg`	`A struct declaration defines the members of the struct, it's variables, which are then allocated for a variable of the struct type.`
`17:34.19`	`Dustin`	`Not worthless at all`
`17:34.34`	`AlphA_VsT`	`VERY much so`
`17:34.36`	`A1win`	`I don't understand your hate AlphA_VsT :P`
`17:34.44`	`Dustin`	`He doesnt understand it so he hates it :P`
`17:34.48`	`A1win`	`they don't take anything away from you`
`17:34.56`	`AlphA_VsT`	`i understand it`
`17:34.59`	`A1win`	`they just let you do some things better than without having them`
`17:35.05`	`JademusSreg`	`But the memory can't be allocated dynamically, so you're stuck with the number of structs you have declared forevah.`
`17:35.15`	`AlphA_VsT`	`i just dont want to set a variable to use the fucking things`
`17:35.24`	`AlphA_VsT`	`makes it pointless`
`17:35.27`	`Dustin`	`Why not Alpha`
`17:35.28`	`AlphA_VsT`	`POINTLESS!!!!!!`
`17:35.33`	`Dustin`	`How does that make it pointless`
`17:35.45`	`AlphA_VsT`	`because It pisses me off`
`17:35.50`	`JademusSreg`	`Naw, they are still pretty useful.`
`17:35.51`	`AlphA_VsT`	`RAGE!!!!!`
`17:35.53`	`A1win`	`I don't understand how else they could work`
`17:36.24`	`JademusSreg`	`Suppose you want a Triangle struct.`
`17:36.27`	`AlphA_VsT`	`well the fact that you can link to them as a its own variable`
`17:36.28`	`A1win`	`why'd they have something else than variables for storing data?`
`17:36.32`	`AlphA_VsT`	`makes it kinda dumb`
`17:36.39`	`Dustin`	`How is that dumb`
`17:36.43`	`JademusSreg`	`And that triangle struct has a point array.`
`17:37.02`	`JademusSreg`	`Or even an array of Point3d structs.`
`17:37.13`	`JademusSreg`	`Which in turn each have 3 fixed type members.`
`17:37.21`	`JademusSreg`	`To define x y and z.`
`17:37.22`	`AlphA_VsT`	`because you cant use it like that`
`17:37.28`	`JademusSreg`	`Sure you can.`
`17:37.29`	`AlphA_VsT`	`and it makes no sense if your able to`
`17:37.32`	`AlphA_VsT`	`so fuck that`
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`17:37.36`	`JademusSreg`	`You jsut can't allocate memory dynamically.`
`17:37.41`	`Dustin`	`^`
`17:37.54`	`JademusSreg`	`So you instead you would declare an instance limit in a Triangle array.`
`17:39.05`	`AlphA_VsT`	`nope fuck them`
`17:39.11`	`JademusSreg`	`Triange[300] triangle; =D`
`17:39.16`	`JademusSreg`	`*Triangle`
`17:39.19`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha`
`17:39.24`	`AlphA_VsT`	`they dont work like i want them to be able to so fuck them`
`17:39.29`	`Smilex`	`Does anyone know how I can make sure an array is passed to one of my function parameters? I googled the Allow Multiple functionality, and from what I read, it sounded like it does nothing`
`17:39.45`	`JademusSreg`	`You can't pass arrays.`
`17:39.54`	`Deaod`	`well`
`17:40.00`	`AlphA_VsT`	`you have to loop through the array Smilex`
`17:40.09`	`JademusSreg`	`Allow Multiple is used by Blizzard's GUI actions for arithmetical operations.`
`17:40.15`	`JademusSreg`	`Like addition and concatenation.`
`17:40.18`	`AlphA_VsT`	`only way to pass it really`
`17:41.11`	`Deaod`	`technically, you can, just not arrays bigger than one index.`
`17:41.14`	`JademusSreg`	`Which is a vast improvement over Wc3 GUI actions of the same purpose, which only permitted 2 parameters.`
`17:41.14`	`Smilex`	`AlphaA_VsT, well I meant to do that, but what I wanted was for the function to accept an array and an int describing the size of the array. Just like main() in C`
`17:41.32`	`AlphA_VsT`	`nope thats math cant help you`
`17:41.48`	`JademusSreg`	`So adding 3 numbers in wc3 GUI would have been Add(Add(x,y),z)`
`17:42.21`	`Smilex`	`and I can't make a Record with an array that has not a fixed size?`
`17:42.34`	`Deaod`	`no`
`17:42.38`	`AlphA_VsT`	`dont use records they suck`
`17:42.41`	`AlphA_VsT`	`hard`
`17:42.43`	`AlphA_VsT`	`fyi`
`17:43.06`	`AlphA_VsT`	`OMG I FOUDN THE PERFECT SOUND`
`17:43.06`	`Dustin`	`^ dont listen to him`
`17:43.11`	`JademusSreg`	`But all Allow Multiple is doing in terms of galaxy is parsing the arguments and concatenating, usually with "+"`
`17:43.37`	`Smilex`	`this really makes my plan much harder, thanks for the answers though`
`17:43.38`	`AlphA_VsT`	`but really Smilex use a 2nd global variable with the size of the array 0.o`
`17:43.58`	`JademusSreg`	`Data Tables don't have a fixed size.`
`17:44.17`	`JademusSreg`	`So you could store it all in a local data table and pass the key to the function.`
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`17:44.32`	`Smilex`	`ok, I'll look up Data Tables`
`17:44.54`	`AlphA_VsT`	`its all about the globals fuck`
`17:45.00`	`Smilex`	`AlphA_VsT, I don't want to use global variables. They really mess up what I'm trying to do`
`17:45.26`	`JademusSreg`	`Data Tables can be either map global or thread local.`
`17:46.14`	`Dustin`	`Smilex, what ya trying to do?`
`17:46.22`	`Smilex`	`I'm just trying out SC2 Editor, I usually work in C++. So this is very much brainf**k`
`17:46.39`	`Dustin`	`Yeah, It does that :P`
`17:46.48`	`Dustin`	`They do things so ass backwards sometimes`
`17:46.58`	`Smilex`	`Dustin, a TD library for myself. It's mostly for educational purposes`
`17:47.19`	`JademusSreg`	`You know what they say: When in Rome, pillage and burn it to the ground. Oh wait.`
`17:47.39`	`AlphA_VsT`	`you can do anything with variables 0.o`
`17:48.01`	`JademusSreg`	`I use structs (aka records in GUI) extensively.`
`17:48.09`	`Dustin`	`Same`
`17:48.32`	`JademusSreg`	`Besides the obvious limitations around which one can work, they serve my purposes perfectly.`
`17:49.20`	`burne-`	`can I used catalog value to change button tooltip with triggers?`
`17:49.24`	`burne-`	`anyone know how to do this?`
`17:49.34`	`JademusSreg`	`Pretty sure, yes.`
`17:50.03`	`burne-`	`well i would appriciate if someone helped me with this`
`17:50.04`	`JademusSreg`	`Usually, tooltip text refers to an external string with the markup for text format.`
`17:50.18`	`JademusSreg`	`But you can just as easily input the content directly.`
`17:50.46`	`burne-`	`How do i even refer to button? I mean I want to cahnge buttons tooltip`
`17:50.58`	`burne-`	`and how do I targe the specific button`
`17:50.59`	`burne-`	`-_-`
`17:51.05`	`JademusSreg`	`Button is in the command card array.`
`17:51.18`	`JademusSreg`	`Oh wait.`
`17:51.23`	`burne-`	`there are all thse entry, catallog and other stuff`
`17:51.31`	`JademusSreg`	`You mean the button, not on the unit command card.`
`17:51.44`	`burne-`	`yes`
`17:51.53`	`JademusSreg`	`You know how the catalog for units is CUnit?`
`17:52.07`	`burne-`	`umm sure :D`
`17:52.19`	`JademusSreg`	`Buttons are in CButton or CButtons.`
`17:52.25`	`Nash\|327`	`nodgene`
`17:52.36`	`burne-`	`but catalog gategory only suggests buttons or variables`
`17:52.37`	`JademusSreg`	`That's where to start.`
`17:52.40`	`burne-`	`i cannot type anything there`
`17:52.49`	`Nash\|327`	`one thing left to fix on your respawn stuff`
`17:52.51`	`JademusSreg`	`GUI has got it covered.`
`17:53.06`	`JademusSreg`	`Button in GUI will be CButton in galaxy.`
`17:53.29`	`burne-`	`kk`
`17:53.33`	`burne-`	`and then umm`
`17:53.40`	`JademusSreg`	`Anyway, you give it the catalog, the id, the field, and get back the value.`
`17:53.43`	`JademusSreg`	`Pretty simple.`
`17:53.45`	`burne-`	`entry and filedpath`
`17:53.52`	`burne-`	`field path`
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`17:53.54`	`grim001`	`passing arrays is grand. wonder if I can make it works seamlessly without the need to create an array-like object. just detect if the array was ever passed.`
`17:54.02`	`JademusSreg`	`Field path is the name of the field.`
`17:54.11`	`burne-`	`entry is the ID?`
`17:54.17`	`SentryIII`	`been playing a lot of mafia for the past few hours`
`17:54.30`	`SentryIII`	`its awesome`
`17:54.31`	`Smilex`	`I just got a hint from the internet. Is it possible to code Galaxy scripting in an external IDE? For example Visual Studio?`
`17:54.39`	`JademusSreg`	`If it is a nested field, then it uses fieldArray[index].thingamajig syntax.`
`17:55.11`	`burne-`	`i have no idea what that means`
`17:55.29`	`Deaod`	`yes, Smilex, its possible. Ask Mexa how to do it when hes around.`
`17:55.36`	`JademusSreg`	`Sure. Only if you want it to not be unbearable, you'll want to find some support stuff.`
`17:56.01`	`Smilex`	`Deaod, ok thanks`
`17:56.13`	`JademusSreg`	`Some people use codeblocks, notepad++, and other programs I can't remember the names.`
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`17:56.39`	`JademusSreg`	`burne, don't worry about that part.`
`17:56.49`	`JademusSreg`	`The tooltip isn't in a field array.`
`17:56.56`	`blub_`	`mhhh`
`17:56.57`	`Smilex`	`notepad++ might be a better solution than VS. I can't see VS actually using any of it's tools for Galaxy scripting`
`17:57.04`	`blub_`	`why can't I find the highlighting cursor data in the data editor :O`
`17:57.15`	`blub_`	`is it in the actor? the unit?`
`17:57.19`	`blub_`	`and called what?`
`17:57.20`	`JademusSreg`	`grim made a nice syntax highlighter and autocomplete for notepad++.`
`17:57.20`	`blub_`	`^^^`
`17:57.29`	`JademusSreg`	`Twilight theme, though.`
`17:57.34`	`burne-`	`umm`
`17:57.39`	`JademusSreg`	`Unit, blub.`
`17:57.40`	`burne-`	`then how do i changeeeeee it`
`17:57.41`	`burne-`	`!?!?!?`
`17:58.27`	`JademusSreg`	`CatalogFieldValueSet (int catalog, string entry, string fieldPath, int player, string value);`
`17:59.01`	`blub_`	`happen to know the field name? :P`
`17:59.05`	`burne-`	`yes and what the hell do I specifically need to type in the entry and fieldpath to get it working`
`17:59.26`	`JademusSreg`	`The catalog is obvious, the entry is the id, the field path is more or less the name of the field. You can use Raw Data view to get almost the correct name.`
`17:59.47`	`burne-`	`kk`
`17:59.53`	`burne-`	`I actually tried it like that but didnt work`
`17:59.55`	`burne-`	`i wonder why`
`18:00.03`	`JademusSreg`	`CButton_ is wrong.`
`18:00.10`	`JademusSreg`	`It is not the name of the field.`
`18:00.17`	`JademusSreg`	`And some catalog values are read only.`
`18:01.18`	`JademusSreg`	`Raw Data view will show something like CButton_ToolTip, only that prefix isn't part of the field name.`
`18:01.31`	`burne-`	`oh`
`18:01.34`	`burne-`	`thx ill see if it works without`
`18:01.35`	`blub_`	`can't find the damn highlighting-cursor data >.<`
`18:01.38`	`JademusSreg`	`It's a common mistake.`
`18:01.46`	`JademusSreg`	`blub, it's in the unit flags.`
`18:01.53`	`blub_`	`nono`
`18:01.55`	`blub_`	`I mean the image for it`
`18:01.56`	`JademusSreg`	`Cursorable`
`18:01.57`	`blub_`	`not just the flag`
`18:02.22`	`burne-`	`YEAAAAAAH`
`18:02.24`	`burne-`	`it worked`
`18:02.25`	`burne-`	`thx man`
`18:02.30`	`JademusSreg`	`No problem.`
`18:02.41`	`blub_`	`I know I could use SetUnitCursor() :P`
`18:02.47`	`JademusSreg`	`blub, you mean you want to change the image that appears while highlighting a unit?`
`18:03.03`	`blub_`	`yep, just what SetUnitCursor() does`
`18:03.13`	`blub_`	`it's highlight- and click-able`
`18:03.16`	`blub_`	`=)`
`18:03.25`	`AlphA_VsT`	`lol`
`18:03.30`	`blub_`	`and it only makes sense if it gets a proper cursor :P`
`18:03.49`	`JademusSreg`	`I don't have the editor open.`
`18:03.50`	`AlphA_VsT`	`those are stored in the data`
`18:04.33`	`blub_`	`guess I'll use SetUnitCursor until I figure that out :P`
`18:04.49`	`Dustin`	`Wtf...I dont have any requirements for this unit morph, but it still requires in game...`
`18:04.56`	`blub_`	`other question: what does the "local" version of Set Tint Color do?`
`18:05.01`	`AlphA_VsT`	`lol Dustin`
`18:05.08`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha`
`18:05.16`	`JademusSreg`	`blub, sets it for the local player I imagine.`
`18:05.28`	`AlphA_VsT`	`lots of places you could have a req check the unit and exaimie the link for the req`
`18:05.32`	`blub_`	`JademusSreg: and how does it know which player?`
`18:05.35`	`JademusSreg`	`Used in conjunction with a local actor event.`
`18:05.44`	`JademusSreg`	`Light highlight or click.`
`18:05.47`	`JademusSreg`	`*Like`
`18:06.05`	`blub_`	`so, if from a highlight trigger I use that in a Send Actor Message function, it will only highlight it for the player?`
`18:06.11`	`blub_`	`need to try`
`18:06.21`	`blub_`	`that would be so perfect :P`
`18:06.40`	`AlphA_VsT`	`yeah it would`
`18:06.58`	`AlphA_VsT`	`ops forgot to hide the ui`
`18:07.02`	`AlphA_VsT`	`http://i.imgur.com/gs4cp.jpg :D`
`18:07.11`	`burne-`	`blub`
`18:07.19`	`AlphA_VsT`	`now it also has the ghost hit sound makes perfect sense lol`
`18:07.21`	`burne-`	`lets do fast brainstorming`
`18:07.28`	`burne-`	`cause it decided how im gona modify the ui`
`18:07.42`	`burne-`	`should I add option to change tires/motor/boost`
`18:07.46`	`burne-`	`or just add different cars`
`18:07.59`	`burne-`	`or something between both`
`18:08.02`	`blub_`	`dunno`
`18:08.05`	`AlphA_VsT`	`diffrent cars would be way more easy`
`18:08.05`	`blub_`	`:P`
`18:08.06`	`AlphA_VsT`	`:P`
`18:08.13`	`blub_`	`that's true`
`18:08.17`	`burne-`	`like cargo truck can have more weapons and not so good motor`
`18:08.21`	`burne-`	`yea`
`18:08.24`	`JademusSreg`	`Burne, different cars sounds better, unless you're going for some Gran Turismo gameplay.`
`18:08.25`	`burne-`	`thats the way to go then`
`18:08.35`	`blub_`	`but then again, you can make addition-model actors, and let the player add like... spoilers to the car`
`18:08.38`	`burne-`	`I like to do some micro management ^^`
`18:08.38`	`blub_`	`xD`
`18:08.41`	`blub_`	`that would be... freaky`
`18:08.42`	`blub_`	`:D`
`18:08.48`	`burne-`	`hahah`
`18:08.54`	`burne-`	`that could be indeed possible :D`
`18:08.57`	`burne-`	`add something weird`
`18:08.57`	`JademusSreg`	`Yup.`
`18:08.59`	`AlphA_VsT`	`that would be a lot of work :P`
`18:09.03`	`burne-`	`like bench as spoiler`
`18:09.06`	`burne-`	`not really`
`18:09.19`	`burne-`	`attachments are easy as long as you know what looks good`
`18:09.29`	`JademusSreg`	`I'd make my car look like a big purple dildo, max out spee,d and ram people from behind.`
`18:09.43`	`AlphA_VsT`	`or if you know how to use attachments :P`
`18:09.46`	`Dustin`	`Fucker was tucked in the Ability command thing`
`18:09.52`	`burne-`	`that is really interesting idea, but would take quite long time`
`18:09.55`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha`
`18:09.57`	`burne-`	`to look trough all stuff`
`18:09.59`	`Dustin`	`Wish it would show links for requirements on the unit`
`18:10.12`	`AlphA_VsT`	`thats why you need a standalone car editor`
`18:10.14`	`AlphA_VsT`	`DUH!`
`18:10.37`	`blub_`	`urgh`
`18:10.39`	`burne-`	`but it would be so cool`
`18:10.44`	`burne-`	`to customize appearance of your car`
`18:10.46`	`blub_`	`"This event fires when a unit is highlighted or unhighlighted"...`
`18:10.48`	`burne-`	`almost want to do it`
`18:10.54`	`burne-`	`NEXT topic`
`18:10.57`	`blub_`	`and...`
`18:11.03`	`burne-`	`shall i add weapons you can choose from?`
`18:11.05`	`blub_`	`how do I know WHICH one it is?`
`18:11.07`	`AlphA_VsT`	`awesome blub_`
`18:11.12`	`burne-`	`or just standard weapons`
`18:11.15`	`AlphA_VsT`	`you do a conditional check`
`18:11.24`	`blub_`	`on what`
`18:11.25`	`JademusSreg`	`Links are a mostly counter productive abstraction for inexperienced modders. How many times have you heard the question "How do I link my thing to this other thing?"`
`18:11.25`	`blub_`	`:P`
`18:11.34`	`AlphA_VsT`	`on its state of highlation`
`18:11.39`	`blub_`	`which I recieve how?`
`18:11.39`	`AlphA_VsT`	`is that a word`
`18:11.45`	`AlphA_VsT`	`comapre?`
`18:11.48`	`blub_`	`no`
`18:11.50`	`blub_`	`the highlight state`
`18:11.54`	`blub_`	`there's no function to get that state`
`18:11.59`	`AlphA_VsT`	`FUCK`
`18:12.07`	`AlphA_VsT`	`use actor events`
`18:12.12`	`burne-`	`SO`
`18:12.14`	`burne-`	`pls`
`18:12.15`	`burne-`	`help me`
`18:12.21`	`burne-`	`answer to my question`
`18:12.21`	`burne-`	`:(`
`18:12.33`	`blub_`	`AlphA_VsT: that doesn't change the fact that the trigger is broken :P`
`18:12.34`	`JademusSreg`	`blub, new weapons.`
`18:12.46`	`JademusSreg`	`Using standard weapons will make it look unpolished and lazy.`
`18:12.54`	`JademusSreg`	`Erm, burne`
`18:13.03`	`JademusSreg`	`Too many b's on the dancefloor.`
`18:13.05`	`burne-`	`so couple options to choose from right?`
`18:13.21`	`AlphA_VsT`	`yeah`
`18:13.25`	`AlphA_VsT`	`for each slot`
`18:13.27`	`AlphA_VsT`	`YAY!`
`18:13.29`	`JademusSreg`	`Sure. So long as they are meaningful options.`
`18:13.39`	`burne-`	`I already got great plans`
`18:13.43`	`AlphA_VsT`	`make a grapling hook`
`18:13.45`	`AlphA_VsT`	`do it`
`18:13.45`	`burne-`	`like gravity mines and stuff`
`18:13.46`	`burne-`	`:)`
`18:13.51`	`JademusSreg`	`The weapons would need to be different enough to warrant variation.`
`18:14.06`	`AlphA_VsT`	`oh and a red shell`
`18:14.08`	`JademusSreg`	`Two different types of machine guns would be painfully dull, you know? =D`
`18:14.10`	`burne-`	`gravity mines and force guns should work quite well for my map`
`18:14.10`	`AlphA_VsT`	`must have red shells`
`18:14.19`	`burne-`	`so you can really disturb peoples driving`
`18:14.33`	`JademusSreg`	`I want a sparkle rainbow weapon.`
`18:14.37`	`JademusSreg`	`So I can blind people.`
`18:14.38`	`AlphA_VsT`	`fuck yeah`
`18:14.54`	`Dustin`	`Wow duplicating a siege tank is a fucking pain in the ass`
`18:14.54`	`AlphA_VsT`	`and tuna fish decoys`
`18:15.00`	`burne-`	`I think ill experiment with attachments btw`
`18:15.03`	`burne-`	`I like the idea so much`
`18:15.03`	`JademusSreg`	`Like "oh god I can't see fuck you sreg noob tard faq".`
`18:15.22`	`AlphA_VsT`	`make a standalone car editor though`
`18:15.23`	`burne-`	`the problem is its gona use some map space again :(`
`18:15.48`	`burne-`	`that would be good idea but too bad you cannot jump between maps`
`18:15.53`	`AlphA_VsT`	`mod files`
`18:15.57`	`JademusSreg`	`Yup.`
`18:16.12`	`burne-`	`I dont know anything about them`
`18:16.13`	`JademusSreg`	`If you store the core data in mod files, you can just make maps which use the mod.`
`18:16.16`	`AlphA_VsT`	`burne-, you just just have some default cars for people and like 5 custom car slots`
`18:16.49`	`JademusSreg`	`Of course, each map will eat a map slot, but they will be good tracks. =D`
`18:16.54`	`blub_`	`...`
`18:17.06`	`JademusSreg`	`Also, which perspective do you ise for these cars?`
`18:17.08`	`JademusSreg`	`*use`
`18:17.11`	`blub_`	`there's an actor event "Unit Highlight Local", but it also has no state...`
`18:17.21`	`AlphA_VsT`	`lol really?`
`18:17.27`	`blub_`	`"Unit Highlight" has Sub Name "start" and "stop"`
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`18:17.30`	`blub_`	`but is it "local"?`
`18:17.35`	`DarkRevenant`	`can someone please explain to me what`
`18:17.35`	`burne-`	`indeed I will probly need to use multiple maps for tracks if I wana make it working`
`18:17.41`	`DarkRevenant`	`is going so wrong with starcode in my map`
`18:17.46`	`blub_`	`also, "UnitHighlight" with "start" -> set tint color (local)`
`18:17.50`	`blub_`	`doesn't seem to work`
`18:17.53`	`DarkRevenant`	`I never was able to get starcode to work right`
`18:17.54`	`JademusSreg`	`Hi DR. No idea, I don't use starcode.`
`18:17.56`	`DarkRevenant`	`it always gives out bullshit values`
`18:18.18`	`JademusSreg`	`blub, it wouldn't because the event isn't local.`
`18:18.30`	`AlphA_VsT`	`lol`
`18:18.40`	`blub_`	`so how do I get it to be local?`
`18:18.57`	`blub_`	`(and even then: how would I know if it is highlighted or UNhighlighted :P)`
`18:19.02`	`AlphA_VsT`	`yeah`
`18:19.03`	`AlphA_VsT`	`it`
`18:19.05`	`AlphA_VsT`	`has one`
`18:19.17`	`AlphA_VsT`	`unithighlight.*.start`
`18:19.19`	`JademusSreg`	`blub, I suggest looking at the story mode / campaign stuff to see how they do their unit highlighting halos. There is probably a tutorial about it on mapster, too, if I had to guess.`
`18:19.36`	`blub_`	`JademusSreg: I doubt they'd care about it being local in the campaign...`
`18:19.41`	`DarkRevenant`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:19.43`	`DarkRevenant`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:19.45`	`DarkRevenant`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:19.47`	`DarkRevenant`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:19.47`	`JademusSreg`	`Good point. =D`
`18:19.48`	`DarkRevenant`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:19.50`	`DarkRevenant`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:19.51`	`DarkRevenant`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:19.53`	`DarkRevenant`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:20.11`	`DarkRevenant`	`that's the save`
`18:20.26`	`blub_`	`AlphA_VsT: that one is also not local :)`
`18:20.42`	`blub_`	`and unithighlightlocal has no start/stop`
`18:20.46`	`JademusSreg`	`can't read GUI; it is abominably verbose.`
`18:20.46`	`DarkRevenant`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:20.48`	`DarkRevenant`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:20.49`	`DarkRevenant`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:20.51`	`DarkRevenant`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:20.52`	`DarkRevenant`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:21.19`	`DarkRevenant`	`now keep in mind`
`18:21.27`	`DarkRevenant`	`i didnt show the decryption stuff`
`18:21.32`	`DarkRevenant`	`i know that's not the problem because`
`18:21.51`	`DarkRevenant`	`i disabled the encryption (made it return the inputs) and starcode still fucked up`
`18:21.54`	`JademusSreg`	`There should be at least one god GUI person here who can look at that.`
`18:22.00`	`JademusSreg`	`*one good`
`18:22.13`	`DarkRevenant`	`basically i save 4 values into the code`
`18:22.21`	`DarkRevenant`	`starcode advertises up to 100 digits`
`18:22.34`	`DarkRevenant`	`i use 26`
`18:22.52`	`DarkRevenant`	`yet all three of those numbers`
`18:22.55`	`DarkRevenant`	`occasionally fail`
`18:23.09`	`DarkRevenant`	`four*`
`18:24.35`	`AlphA_VsT`	`lol`
`18:25.22`	`AlphA_VsT`	`whast wrong?`
`18:25.26`	`AlphA_VsT`	`wtf is starcode`
`18:25.34`	`JademusSreg`	`Wakka wakka`
`18:25.50`	`JademusSreg`	`Popular way of encrypting data for banks.`
`18:26.07`	`JademusSreg`	`http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/trigger-libraries/5091-library-starcode-v1-4/`
`18:26.09`	`blub_`	`"encrypting"?`
`18:26.12`	`blub_`	`what kind of encryption`
`18:26.25`	`DarkRevenant`	`im not even sure`
`18:26.28`	`DarkRevenant`	`it's like some`
`18:26.31`	`DarkRevenant`	`AES-SHA hybrid`
`18:26.39`	`DarkRevenant`	`no i mean`
`18:26.42`	`DarkRevenant`	`the one im using`
`18:26.46`	`DarkRevenant`	`im using starcode for packing data`
`18:26.47`	`AlphA_VsT`	`why would you use a popular way to encrypt a bank`
`18:26.49`	`*** join/#sc2mapster LordAbyss (~Christoph@150.135.211.242)`
`18:26.52`	`AlphA_VsT`	`that makes no sense`
`18:26.54`	`DarkRevenant`	`im using`
`18:26.59`	`DarkRevenant`	`a lesser known library`
`18:27.01`	`DarkRevenant`	`for encryption`
`18:27.05`	`AlphA_VsT`	`if its popular then everyone knows how to uncrack it`
`18:27.08`	`JademusSreg`	`Alph, banks are incredibly insecure.`
`18:27.13`	`AlphA_VsT`	`i know`
`18:27.18`	`DarkRevenant`	`but the encryption works fine`
`18:27.23`	`DarkRevenant`	`it's the starcode packing that fails`
`18:27.38`	`AlphA_VsT`	`the encryption is just a very minor wall`
`18:27.41`	`blub_`	`it's insecure, thus, encryption is useless...`
`18:27.50`	`blub_`	`I'd add that strange hash people keep adding, because it annoys people`
`18:27.52`	`blub_`	`but nothing else`
`18:27.54`	`DarkRevenant`	`i dont even give a shit about that`
`18:27.58`	`DarkRevenant`	`i'm not asking about that`
`18:28.05`	`DarkRevenant`	`i NEED starcode because otherwise, my banks are too large`
`18:28.11`	`AlphA_VsT`	`lol?`
`18:28.13`	`AlphA_VsT`	`what`
`18:28.19`	`DarkRevenant`	`the bank size limit`
`18:28.21`	`DarkRevenant`	`big, right?`
`18:28.24`	`JademusSreg`	`Naw, decryption is non-trivial effort if you know how it was encrypted, but the time involved in decryption is non-trivial even then.`
`18:28.26`	`DarkRevenant`	`not with 14 players in the game`
`18:28.35`	`DarkRevenant`	`that size limit`
`18:28.38`	`DarkRevenant`	`gets cut by 14`
`18:28.42`	`*** join/#sc2mapster lefix (~lefix@p54B0E45A.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`18:28.44`	`DarkRevenant`	`divided by 14`
`18:28.46`	`DarkRevenant`	`in my map`
`18:28.49`	`AlphA_VsT`	`how does that make sense`
`18:28.55`	`DarkRevenant`	`so yeah, i exceeded the limit`
`18:29.00`	`DarkRevenant`	`yes i was getting bank size errors`
`18:29.06`	`DarkRevenant`	`meaning i need starcode`
`18:29.10`	`AlphA_VsT`	`bank data should be based on a local value`
`18:29.18`	`DarkRevenant`	`bank data is syncronized`
`18:29.25`	`AlphA_VsT`	`why?`
`18:29.31`	`DarkRevenant`	`prevents cheating i guess`
`18:29.37`	`AlphA_VsT`	`no it doesnt`
`18:29.44`	`DarkRevenant`	`but yes, the size is a lobby-wide cumulative total`
`18:29.50`	`DarkRevenant`	`I had bank size errors with about 90 keys`
`18:30.12`	`DarkRevenant`	`and still had them occasionally even wtih 70 keys`
`18:30.19`	`AlphA_VsT`	`then output your data into a string`
`18:30.23`	`DarkRevenant`	`yeah`
`18:30.25`	`DarkRevenant`	`hence starcode`
`18:30.26`	`JademusSreg`	`It doesn't prevent, per se, a dedicated cracker with lots of time/memory and the map source could decrypt it.`
`18:30.36`	`DarkRevenant`	`i dont even CARE about crackers`
`18:30.40`	`JademusSreg`	`But it is a non-trivial obstacle with respects to time.`
`18:30.41`	`DarkRevenant`	`i use bank signatures anyway`
`18:30.50`	`AlphA_VsT`	`lol`
`18:30.57`	`AlphA_VsT`	`arnt those super broken`
`18:31.03`	`DarkRevenant`	`they're`
`18:31.05`	`DarkRevenant`	`finnicky`
`18:31.10`	`DarkRevenant`	`but they have not been a problem`
`18:31.13`	`DarkRevenant`	`starcode itself is giving me`
`18:31.18`	`DarkRevenant`	`bogus values`
`18:31.21`	`JademusSreg`	`Packing, right.`
`18:31.35`	`DarkRevenant`	`the ONE thing I REALLY NEED`
`18:31.36`	`AlphA_VsT`	`i would code it your self DarkRevenant 0.o`
`18:31.39`	`DarkRevenant`	`is completely broken`
`18:31.39`	`JademusSreg`	`So it's either user error or starcodes packing is bugged.`
`18:31.45`	`DarkRevenant`	`yeah no im not coding all that shit myself`
`18:31.49`	`DarkRevenant`	`i need it fixed WITHIN THE HOUR`
`18:32.04`	`DarkRevenant`	`because the update is already out`
`18:32.06`	`AlphA_VsT`	`ive never used it or heard of it so i cant really help you`
`18:32.11`	`DarkRevenant`	`and to fix it i need to reset everyone's points again`
`18:33.06`	`AlphA_VsT`	`lol :(`
`18:33.16`	`JademusSreg`	`That seems unlikely, DR. Most of the starcode devs are almost never on. Even RodOfNod, who is here most often, only seems to pop in once a month or so.`
`18:33.55`	`AlphA_VsT`	`he was around all the time in beta 0.o`
`18:33.57`	`JademusSreg`	`And I cannot recall anyone on who uses it.`
`18:34.13`	`AlphA_VsT`	`did i link this? http://i.imgur.com/gs4cp.jpg`
`18:34.20`	`JademusSreg`	`Yup.`
`18:34.33`	`AlphA_VsT`	`does it look better?`
`18:34.46`	`AlphA_VsT`	`minus the ui :P`
`18:34.48`	`JademusSreg`	`The UI is in the way, distracting me.`
`18:35.09`	`AlphA_VsT`	`i forgot to hide it lol`
`18:36.09`	`Dustin`	`Ugh`
`18:36.15`	`Dustin`	`Fuck siege tanks`
`18:36.26`	`AlphA_VsT`	`here`
`18:36.39`	`SentryIII`	`finishing up another game of mafia`
`18:36.41`	`SentryIII`	`so much rage`
`18:36.43`	`SentryIII`	`:D`
`18:36.54`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha.`
`18:36.58`	`JademusSreg`	`Why rage?`
`18:36.59`	`AlphA_VsT`	`http://i.imgur.com/uyIso.png or old http://i.imgur.com/WNG2s.jpg`
`18:37.15`	`AlphA_VsT`	`lol i rage at the idea of playing that horrible map`
`18:37.28`	`SentryIII`	`One guy was telling people what other people were doing`
`18:37.31`	`SentryIII`	`and we just killed him`
`18:37.33`	`SentryIII`	`lol`
`18:37.34`	`JademusSreg`	`Alph, first one, but make the outmost edges brighter,`
`18:37.44`	`AlphA_VsT`	`the new one?`
`18:37.52`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes, the new one looks better.`
`18:38.06`	`JademusSreg`	`But the outside edges along the screen need to be brighter.`
`18:38.07`	`DarkRevenant`	`in any case yeah`
`18:38.20`	`AlphA_VsT`	`got it`
`18:38.22`	`SentryIII`	`so awesome`
`18:38.24`	`*** join/#sc2mapster FireryRage (~FireryRag@bas1-kitchener09-2925285617.dsl.bell.ca)`
`18:39.23`	`JademusSreg`	`Alph, are you calculating the vision cone and revealing? Or did you use another approach?`
`18:39.50`	`DarkRevenant`	`so`
`18:39.56`	`DarkRevenant`	`what the hell can I do?`
`18:39.57`	`AlphA_VsT`	`good call JademusSreg`
`18:40.15`	`DarkRevenant`	`im using starcode as directed`
`18:40.58`	`JademusSreg`	`DR, it is unlikely it will be solved within the hour. And if it is a problem with the library, it will take longer to fix.`
`18:41.15`	`DarkRevenant`	`well`
`18:41.19`	`DarkRevenant`	`it works for everyone else`
`18:41.21`	`DarkRevenant`	`there must be a workaround`
`18:42.20`	`AlphA_VsT`	`do it your self so you know how it works? :P`
`18:42.23`	`JademusSreg`	`PM s3rius, post in the topic, and search for some subtle user error.`
`18:42.28`	`blub_`	`raw data mode!`
`18:42.30`	`JademusSreg`	`Alph, he hasn't time for that.`
`18:42.43`	`AlphA_VsT`	`well`
`18:43.03`	`AlphA_VsT`	`some times shit doesnt go your way`
`18:43.40`	`JademusSreg`	`It could just as well be a subtle error in the library.`
`18:43.42`	`DarkRevenant`	`well`
`18:43.46`	`DarkRevenant`	`i'm literally out of time`
`18:43.49`	`DarkRevenant`	`anyway`
`18:43.52`	`blub_`	`A1win: youuu`
`18:43.54`	`DarkRevenant`	`the only fix i can think of is using`
`18:43.55`	`blub_`	`A1win: are you here?`
`18:44.06`	`DarkRevenant`	`500,000 as a max number for a couple of the ints`
`18:44.07`	`blub_`	`A1win: I found an irc log with you talking about UnitHighlightLocal`
`18:44.09`	`DarkRevenant`	`instead of 5,000,000`
`18:44.14`	`DarkRevenant`	`it might be an error there`
`18:44.22`	`DarkRevenant`	`but if that doesnt work im stumped`
`18:44.23`	`A1win`	`yea`
`18:44.37`	`blub_`	`did you get that stuff to work?`
`18:44.45`	`blub_`	`I used raw data mode to add ..Start and ..Stop now`
`18:44.57`	`blub_`	`but the SetLocalTintColor somehow doesn't alter the tint color`
`18:44.58`	`A1win`	`yeah I got it to work with halos`
`18:45.09`	`A1win`	`dunno about tint`
`18:45.19`	`JademusSreg`	`Maybe local tint is NYI`
`18:45.19`	`AlphA_VsT`	`tint doesnt work`
`18:45.20`	`JademusSreg`	`=\`
`18:45.33`	`AlphA_VsT`	`it didnt in beta at least`
`18:45.37`	`JademusSreg`	`Anyway, at least there is an alternative.`
`18:45.40`	`AlphA_VsT`	`use the other one`
`18:45.49`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Buze (~BubuzePow@roe35-1-78-231-170-70.fbx.proxad.net)`
`18:46.00`	`blub_`	`alternative?`
`18:46.02`	`JademusSreg`	`You can have local actors, too.`
`18:46.03`	`AlphA_VsT`	`you can also`
`18:46.14`	`AlphA_VsT`	`phase it`
`18:46.14`	`blub_`	`local actors? how :O`
`18:46.19`	`A1win`	`but if the event is local, then it should work if you just use the normal tint color ?`
`18:46.22`	`JademusSreg`	`So an actor of Simple type could be used to apply tint.`
`18:46.22`	`AlphA_VsT`	`i use it in my map`
`18:46.32`	`A1win`	`halos aren't local either and they worked locally with the local event`
`18:46.32`	`JademusSreg`	`A1 might be correct there. =D`
`18:46.41`	`AlphA_VsT`	`yeah`
`18:47.04`	`*** join/#sc2mapster deathnight114_ (~chatzilla@c-98-247-52-158.hsd1.wa.comcast.net)`
`18:47.25`	`JademusSreg`	`Yeah, actors are asynchronous; actorscopes exist because of this. =D`
`18:47.28`	`JademusSreg`	`brb`
`18:47.39`	`blub_`	`anyone care to test with me?`
`18:47.44`	`blub_`	`if it is really local? :)`
`18:48.02`	`JademusSreg`	`(I'll help in a few minutes. Whioch regionm?)`
`18:48.09`	`blub_`	`EU`
`18:48.18`	`JademusSreg`	`(Sorry. I'm NA.)`
`18:48.33`	`burne-`	`http://img815.imageshack.us/img815/3919/carragedasd.jpg`
`18:48.35`	`blub_`	`aw`
`18:48.36`	`burne-`	`couple concepts`
`18:48.44`	`burne-`	`but i probly have to ditch this idea for now`
`18:48.55`	`burne-`	`due it would take too much time to implement it properly`
`18:49.04`	`AlphA_VsT`	`lol`
`18:49.21`	`AlphA_VsT`	`so awesome though`
`18:49.40`	`burne-`	`yea :(`
`18:50.29`	`AlphA_VsT`	`how do you atatch things to units?`
`18:50.36`	`burne-`	`its not hard`
`18:50.42`	`burne-`	`there should be tutorials on mapster`
`18:50.55`	`AlphA_VsT`	`http://i.imgur.com/xrVih.png new or http://i.imgur.com/uyIso.png old?`
`18:51.15`	`burne-`	`the problem with attaching things would be also using different models have different look`
`18:51.23`	`burne-`	`so i would hav to adjust attachment for all models`
`18:51.53`	`AlphA_VsT`	`well if you want to be awesome`
`18:51.56`	`AlphA_VsT`	`:P`
`18:52.12`	`burne-`	`and it doesnt increase replayability that much`
`18:52.18`	`burne-`	`I still could do it`
`18:52.19`	`burne-`	`slowly`
`18:52.20`	`burne-`	`:)`
`18:52.27`	`AlphA_VsT`	`how does it not`
`18:52.36`	`AlphA_VsT`	`name it liek wacky racing`
`18:52.36`	`burne-`	`well only small amount`
`18:52.39`	`AlphA_VsT`	`and bam`
`18:52.42`	`AlphA_VsT`	`insta hit`
`18:53.07`	`AlphA_VsT`	`add funny sounds cause its awesome`
`18:53.14`	`AlphA_VsT`	`shot out random ass untis`
`18:53.24`	`AlphA_VsT`	`for weapons`
`18:53.33`	`burne-`	`yea it has much potential if you wana invest time to it`
`18:53.51`	`AlphA_VsT`	`al great things take some time 0.o`
`18:54.06`	`burne-`	`but its also quite boring to do`
`18:54.07`	`burne-`	`:(`
`18:54.30`	`burne-`	`maybe i still should give it a shot`
`18:54.37`	`burne-`	`and quit if I get tired/continue later`
`18:54.51`	`JademusSreg`	`The new one is perfect.`
`18:55.23`	`burne-`	`new one?`
`18:55.34`	`JademusSreg`	`Alph's damage indicators.`
`18:56.10`	`burne-`	`jade look my picture`
`18:56.11`	`burne-`	`what you think?`
`18:56.31`	`blub_`	`anyone from EU region available to test?`
`18:56.35`	`burne-`	`I guess the customisation has to be quite limited tough`
`18:56.44`	`burne-`	`since it would make it look stupid if i add too much stuff`
`18:56.56`	`AlphA_VsT`	`yeah i think it works well`
`18:57.11`	`JademusSreg`	`burne, potential. =D What's the phoenix do?`
`18:57.21`	`AlphA_VsT`	`gives it wings`
`18:57.22`	`AlphA_VsT`	`duh`
`18:57.27`	`JademusSreg`	`Oh, of course!`
`18:57.32`	`JademusSreg`	`pch00000`
`18:57.32`	`burne-`	`phoenix could be like +2 speed -2 control`
`18:57.40`	`JademusSreg`	`blub, pester burne.`
`18:57.42`	`JademusSreg`	`He's EU.`
`18:57.48`	`burne-`	`fine`
`18:57.48`	`blub_`	`pesters burne-`
`18:57.49`	`burne-`	`ill test`
`19:00.10`	`Dustin`	`BAH`
`19:01.40`	`JademusSreg`	`?`
`19:02.13`	`Dustin`	`You know why a duplicated Siege tank wouldnt play it's morph animation and it's turrets wouldnt face targets`
`19:02.45`	`Dustin`	`Like it jsut disappears when I go to siege mode then shows up in siege mode`
`19:02.47`	`JademusSreg`	`Wrong tokens and references is usually the culprit.`
`19:03.31`	`AlphA_VsT`	`yeah or the events are broken`
`19:03.52`	`JademusSreg`	`Well, it's usually wrong references that break the actor events.`
`19:04.29`	`JademusSreg`	`Which are themselves caused by wrong tokens or a failure to update when the token is changed.`
`19:04.29`	`Dustin`	`I dont even see any actor events pertaining to any of those`
`19:04.33`	`Dustin`	`In the base or mine`
`19:04.43`	`JademusSreg`	`Turret is a unit.`
`19:05.02`	`JademusSreg`	`Which turret unit is the dupe siege tank using?`
`19:05.30`	`JademusSreg`	`And is its actor stuff correct?`
`19:05.46`	`Dustin`	`Siege Tank turret`
`19:05.57`	`Dustin`	`And the actor stuf is the same as the base siege tank but changed to my units name`
`19:08.02`	`Dustin`	`This is confusing the balls off me`
`19:11.49`	`burne-`	`meh`
`19:11.58`	`burne-`	`cant even work how attachments work, have to learn that again -_-`
`19:13.34`	`Dustin`	`Fuck this, not going to have a siege tank in my game`
`19:13.41`	`burne-`	`sip sipin on orpahn tears`
`19:14.06`	`AlphA_VsT`	`lol dustin`
`19:14.06`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha.`
`19:14.35`	`AlphA_VsT`	`why can you just edit the original tank?`
`19:14.52`	`AlphA_VsT`	`or would that be to easy?`
`19:16.02`	`Dustin`	`What's the behavior area name for giving damage as a percent`
`19:16.06`	`Dustin`	`is that scaled,unscaled or fraction`
`19:16.38`	`blub_`	`can I somehow allow immobile units to be transported?`
`19:17.08`	`AlphA_VsT`	`scaled`
`19:17.17`	`AlphA_VsT`	`i think`
`19:17.25`	`AlphA_VsT`	`no fraction`
`19:17.28`	`Dustin`	`So if I enter 1 as scaled it'll up it 1% of their current damage?`
`19:17.29`	`AlphA_VsT`	`sacled is x`
`19:17.34`	`Dustin`	`kk`
`19:17.48`	`AlphA_VsT`	`so scaled would be # x 1`
`19:18.01`	`AlphA_VsT`	`im probably wrong`
`19:20.03`	`Dustin`	`Behaviors dont show stack counts do they?`
`19:21.33`	`JademusSreg`	`Nope.`
`19:21.38`	`Dustin`	`Fucking lame`
`19:21.43`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha, yeah.`
`19:21.45`	`AlphA_VsT`	`you can set them to`
`19:21.46`	`AlphA_VsT`	`cant you`
`19:21.56`	`AlphA_VsT`	`im pretty sure i have`
`19:22.05`	`JademusSreg`	`I'm sure you can work some magic.`
`19:22.58`	`Dustin`	`Cant find any flags to show stack counts`
`19:25.45`	`AlphA_VsT`	`im pretty sure i did it before`
`19:25.53`	`AlphA_VsT`	`but then i also created multi level ramps`
`19:25.54`	`AlphA_VsT`	`so`
`19:25.57`	`AlphA_VsT`	`:P`
`19:26.08`	`AlphA_VsT`	`but that second one was true`
`19:26.39`	`Dustin`	`lol`
`19:29.14`	`blub_`	`argh`
`19:29.22`	`blub_`	`I need to be able to transport immobile units with a transport ability :/`
`19:30.15`	`Dustin`	`I guess I could just use a Button and update the tooltip`
`19:30.27`	`JademusSreg`	`Zug zug`
`19:30.29`	`Dustin`	`That'd save time since I want each rank up buff to increase by the same stats`
`19:33.37`	`burne-`	`question: how do i stop attachments from moving along with the unit?`
`19:33.49`	`burne-`	`I mean when unit turns the attachment dont turn same time`
`19:34.24`	`AlphA_VsT`	`no idea`
`19:34.35`	`JademusSreg`	`How does stimpack indicator do it?`
`19:34.44`	`burne-`	`lets see`
`19:34.57`	`AlphA_VsT`	`stimpack indicator what`
`19:34.59`	`burne-`	`no still didnt get it`
`19:35.00`	`burne-`	`:(`
`19:35.41`	`JademusSreg`	`When you use stimpack and when it fades, an icon appears above the stimmed unit.`
`19:35.51`	`JademusSreg`	`How does that model not rotate with the unit?`
`19:35.59`	`JademusSreg`	`If you figure that out, you have your answer.`
`19:35.59`	`burne-`	`but i think stim doesnt rotate with unit`
`19:36.02`	`burne-`	`or does it`
`19:36.07`	`JademusSreg`	`It doesn't.`
`19:36.18`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Bounty (442d304d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.45.48.77)`
`19:36.20`	`JademusSreg`	`Dats da point, modder boyz.`
`19:36.22`	`burne-`	`thats my problem`
`19:36.27`	`burne-`	`i need it to rotate with unit`
`19:36.28`	`Bounty`	`Hai guys`
`19:36.39`	`JademusSreg`	`Oh, you want it to rotate, haha.`
`19:36.45`	`Dustin`	`Wait...am I able to update a command card passive button from the triggers?`
`19:36.49`	`JademusSreg`	`Usually it does anyway.`
`19:36.50`	`burne-`	`yea said it wrong at first`
`19:36.51`	`JademusSreg`	`Hi Bounty.`
`19:36.58`	`Dustin`	`Or am I going to have to make a multilevel ability and level it up`
`19:37.10`	`burne-`	`actually it does rotate but the facing angle does not rotate`
`19:37.15`	`burne-`	`so it kinda works weird`
`19:37.20`	`burne-`	`facing angle should rotate too`
`19:37.31`	`JademusSreg`	`Dustin, dunno. Command cards might be read only, I can't remember.`
`19:37.43`	`JademusSreg`	`But you can modify button data, I think.`
`19:37.50`	`JademusSreg`	`Though catalog changes are per player.`
`19:37.54`	`Bounty`	`So, im still waiting on LinkD's response`
`19:37.59`	`Bounty`	`i dont think hes going to respond`
`19:38.02`	`Dustin`	`I need a Per Unit basis`
`19:38.06`	`JademusSreg`	`Ah.`
`19:38.18`	`JademusSreg`	`You could use charges to indicate.`
`19:38.22`	`Bounty`	`If he doesnt respond i dont think i should launch the map with the issues it has`
`19:38.33`	`Bounty`	`Hopefully he does`
`19:38.34`	`JademusSreg`	`Or Attributes.`
`19:38.57`	`JademusSreg`	`Attribute behaviors display their value in the command card.`
`19:39.18`	`Bounty`	`Unless someone here has any idea how Portraits work ><`
`19:40.09`	`Dustin`	`Hmmm`
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`19:40.32`	`JademusSreg`	`Hi grim.`
`19:40.49`	`grim001`	`power outage.`
`19:40.53`	`Bounty`	`neone?`
`19:41.06`	`blub_`	`hah`
`19:41.08`	`JademusSreg`	`Bounty, I haven't worked with portraits.`
`19:41.10`	`blub_`	`immobile transportable ground unit:`
`19:41.30`	`blub_`	`made "immobile" by creating a mover that has "creep" as required placement xD`
`19:41.35`	`Bounty`	`Well is there anyway to rotate a model without using 3ds max`
`19:41.41`	`blub_`	`basically can only move on creep now`
`19:42.35`	`burne-`	`pff`
`19:42.46`	`burne-`	`it rotates really weirdly`
`19:43.07`	`blub_`	`oh craps... cannot unload it now >.< LOL`
`19:43.27`	`blub_`	`could try morphing it into a variant with a normal mover when transporting`
`19:44.08`	`blub_`	`but i guess the morph wuold happen too late`
`19:45.13`	`burne-`	`fuuuck`
`19:45.15`	`burne-`	`fucking attachments`
`19:45.17`	`AlphA_VsT`	`lol`
`19:45.20`	`burne-`	`cant get even 1 working`
`19:45.28`	`burne-`	`cause it rotates`
`19:45.31`	`burne-`	`how can i stop it`
`19:46.48`	`Nash\|327`	`you can't transport a unit that has movement speed 0?`
`19:47.06`	`AlphA_VsT`	`lol`
`19:47.07`	`AlphA_VsT`	`what`
`19:47.41`	`Nash\|327`	`blubface`
`19:47.52`	`Bounty`	`Yano`
`19:48.05`	`Bounty`	`We would have alot more fps/tps maps if there was anything about this shit on mapster lol`
`19:49.03`	`Bounty`	`Is a portrait an actor?`
`19:58.29`	`Dustin`	`Whats default ability to make an ability with charges?`
`19:59.13`	`JademusSreg`	`Just adding charge values to the ability's Cost is sufficient.`
`19:59.18`	`burne-`	`also found another problem`
`19:59.24`	`JademusSreg`	`Should be, anyway.`
`19:59.28`	`burne-`	`sometmies attachment doesnt keep up with move unit instantly`
`19:59.29`	`burne-`	`weird`
`19:59.29`	`burne-`	`.(`
`19:59.31`	`burne-`	`:(`
`20:01.19`	`Dustin`	`Bah`
`20:01.25`	`Dustin`	`Can i not just add a charge via triggers`
`20:01.56`	`*** join/#sc2mapster poiuy_qwert (~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151)`
`20:02.52`	`JademusSreg`	`Sure, but it needs to support charges.`
`20:03.00`	`JademusSreg`	`So you would set Charge Max to some value.`
`20:03.03`	`Dustin`	`I cant find any trigger that adds a charge`
`20:03.11`	`Dustin`	`Just uses a charge and sets charge time`
`20:03.49`	`JademusSreg`	`Try use charge -1.`
`20:04.07`	`JademusSreg`	`Though I thought there would be an action for that.`
`20:04.53`	`JademusSreg`	`Yeah, that's how you do it.`
`20:05.01`	`JademusSreg`	`UnitAbilityAddChargeUsed (unit inUnit, string inAbil, string inCharge, fixed inVal);`
`20:05.49`	`JademusSreg`	`Strange that is is fixed though. =\`
`20:05.56`	`JademusSreg`	`Are there fractional charges?`
`20:06.00`	`Dustin`	`Alrighty, let's see if this works`
`20:07.11`	`Dustin`	`Of course not`
`20:07.12`	`Dustin`	`hmmm`
`20:07.23`	`Bounty`	`ha`
`20:07.24`	`Bounty`	`i got it`
`20:07.29`	`Bounty`	`:)`
`20:07.42`	`Dekar`	`mafia is nice when you try to copy 2 pages of galaxy in a custom script D:`
`20:08.31`	`*** join/#sc2mapster FireryRage (~FireryRag@68.232.73.80)`
`20:08.42`	`burne-`	`http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/data/20961-attachment-facing-angle/`
`20:09.51`	`burne-`	`I think it should be possible`
`20:09.57`	`burne-`	`just cant figure it out and im so pissed`
`20:10.32`	`*** join/#sc2mapster MaxMode (~Adium@ip184-187-175-87.sb.sd.cox.net)`
`20:11.01`	`Bounty`	`Alright`
`20:11.08`	`Bounty`	`Is there ANYWAY to smoothly move a portrait`
`20:11.18`	`Bounty`	`like it looks animated`
`20:11.53`	`Dustin`	`Timer + Move over small incremints`
`20:11.57`	`burne-`	`I really wish some genius would solve my probleeeem`
`20:12.56`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Ousnius (6dc07c77@gateway/web/freenode/ip.109.192.124.119)`
`20:14.02`	`Ousnius`	`hey :)`
`20:14.38`	`Ousnius`	`what would you guys think of a "all-in-one" blizzard launcher?`
`20:15.27`	`Dustin`	`I'd have to know what that was first.`
`20:15.37`	`AlphA_VsT`	`lol`
`20:15.39`	`Ousnius`	`like a program to launch Diablo 1,2,3, SC1 + editor, SC2 + editor, WC3 roc + tft + editor and WoW :P`
`20:15.58`	`AlphA_VsT`	`would be useless without chat and chat channels`
`20:16.02`	`AlphA_VsT`	`oh hey steam`
`20:16.04`	`AlphA_VsT`	`lol`
`20:16.10`	`Dustin`	`Oh, eh. I wouldnt need it`
`20:16.49`	`AlphA_VsT`	`they really do need to make a standalone friendlist thingy`
`20:16.51`	`Ousnius`	`e.g. more space @desktop lol`
`20:16.57`	`AlphA_VsT`	`lol fail`
`20:17.04`	`AlphA_VsT`	`your doing it wrong`
`20:17.15`	`Dustin`	`I have what I use pinned to my task bar and no shortcuts on my desktop :P`
`20:17.36`	`Ousnius`	`then you'd have mroe space @taskbar XD`
`20:18.13`	`Ousnius`	`imagine you have all of blizzards games`
`20:18.16`	`JademusSreg`	`Can't imagine needing a launcher for that stuff, but hey, maybe Curse will buy it from you; they're into all sorts of useless addons.`
`20:18.24`	`JademusSreg`	`=D`
`20:18.29`	`Ousnius`	`11 -> 1`
`20:18.41`	`AlphA_VsT`	`lol`
`20:18.49`	`Ousnius`	`(with editors)`
`20:19.38`	`AlphA_VsT`	`honestly you can make a folder and use it as a menu`
`20:19.45`	`AlphA_VsT`	`in your taskbar`
`20:20.03`	`Ousnius`	`>.<`
`20:20.29`	`AlphA_VsT`	`11 -> 1 bam issue solved`
`20:20.29`	`Ousnius`	`then then then...then...`
`20:20.57`	`AlphA_VsT`	`its exactly what you are looking for`
`20:21.00`	`AlphA_VsT`	`dont give me that shit`
`20:21.05`	`Ousnius`	`then I'll implement "time played" and "times launched" statistics :3`
`20:21.07`	`Ousnius`	`XD`
`20:21.38`	`AlphA_VsT`	`get steam add them as a outside game`
`20:21.42`	`AlphA_VsT`	`done`
`20:21.43`	`Ousnius`	`most important thing on earth`
`20:21.43`	`Dustin`	`^`
`20:21.50`	`Ousnius`	`NO steam taktes soo much RAM <.<`
`20:21.51`	`Ousnius`	`xD`
`20:21.51`	`Dustin`	`Alpha hit the nail on the head`
`20:21.53`	`Ousnius`	`takes*`
`20:21.57`	`Dustin`	`Lol no it doesnt :P`
`20:22.02`	`Ousnius`	`I know :3`
`20:22.17`	`AlphA_VsT`	`steam is what bnet should be`
`20:22.18`	`AlphA_VsT`	`0.o`
`20:22.25`	`AlphA_VsT`	`just saying`
`20:22.37`	`burne-`	`YES`
`20:22.41`	`Bounty`	`if the name of my camera is Player 1`
`20:22.42`	`Bounty`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:22.44`	`Bounty`	`right?`
`20:22.48`	`burne-`	`prozaicmuze is t the KING`
`20:22.48`	`Bounty`	`or do i just type Player 1`
`20:22.50`	`Bounty`	`without the "`
`20:23.01`	`AlphA_VsT`	`im sure its without`
`20:23.02`	`AlphA_VsT`	`lol`
`20:23.21`	`JademusSreg`	`=/`
`20:23.27`	`Bounty`	`i got the gun to appear on screen`
`20:23.29`	`Bounty`	`and face properly :)`
`20:23.40`	`JademusSreg`	`Bounty, what are you doing? ""Player 1""?`
`20:23.41`	`Bounty`	`just need to animate it`
`20:23.50`	`Bounty`	`yeah`
`20:24.54`	`Bounty`	`this cant be right though`
`20:24.56`	`Bounty`	`this is no fucking way`
`20:25.12`	`Bounty`	`LinkD used a series of small position moves`
`20:25.20`	`Bounty`	`to animate his portrait in the FPS`
`20:25.24`	`Bounty`	`there is no*`
`20:25.57`	`AlphA_VsT`	`lol`
`20:26.29`	`Ousnius`	`then give me another idea for a program -.-`
`20:28.40`	`Nash\|327`	`kittuns.exe`
`20:28.53`	`Nash\|327`	`it shows you kittuns`
`20:29.24`	`Ousnius`	`O.O`
`20:29.39`	`Bounty`	`i wonder`
`20:29.41`	`Bounty`	`if he used`
`20:29.42`	`Bounty`	`shake camera`
`20:30.13`	`JademusSreg`	`Ousinius.`
`20:30.22`	`Nash\|327`	`fuck my wrist hurts, what have I done D_D`
`20:30.28`	`JademusSreg`	`Layout and dialog generator.`
`20:31.21`	`JademusSreg`	`Editor/generator.`
`20:31.55`	`SilverSeraphim`	`how do i write a trigger that happens every time a zergling or a roach dies?`
`20:31.59`	`Nash\|327`	`fuck I can't use my left hand`
`20:32.15`	`JademusSreg`	`Unit Death event, check the unit type in the condition.`
`20:32.15`	`SilverSeraphim`	`Nash\|327: use your left foot instead?`
`20:32.26`	`Nash\|327`	`no`
`20:32.38`	`SilverSeraphim`	`JademusSreg: i was trying to do that, but i can't find the function that matches a unit type =\`
`20:33.09`	`JademusSreg`	`Compare either the string or a "game link".`
`20:33.18`	`Ousnius`	`nash`
`20:33.22`	`Nash\|327`	`unit type of unit`
`20:33.26`	`SilverSeraphim`	`ok i'll try that`
`20:33.38`	`Ousnius`	`of your male I know what you did`
`20:33.41`	`Ousnius`	`if you know what I mean`
`20:33.42`	`JademusSreg`	`Unit type is a string; dunno if GUI calls it a gamel ink or what.`
`20:33.42`	`Ousnius`	`XD`
`20:33.46`	`Ousnius`	`if*`
`20:34.19`	`Dekar`	`the point is that you need to use a condition`
`20:34.26`	`Dekar`	`with any unit dies`
`20:34.30`	`Dekar`	`:p`
`20:34.56`	`Ousnius`	`wait`
`20:34.59`	`Ousnius`	`wouldn't it be possible`
`20:35.09`	`Nash\|327`	`if you tell him to use a struct I will choke you with my one functioning hand`
`20:35.12`	`Ousnius`	`to create an external data editor?`
`20:35.30`	`Ousnius`	`xml files?`
`20:35.48`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Buze (~BubuzePow@roe35-1-78-231-170-70.fbx.proxad.net)`
`20:35.52`	`JademusSreg`	`Sure. Only I have notepad++.`
`20:36.04`	`JademusSreg`	`Why would I need another text based xml editing program?`
`20:36.10`	`Ousnius`	`nope`
`20:36.12`	`Ousnius`	`GUI`
`20:36.18`	`JademusSreg`	`Even worse. =D`
`20:36.29`	`JademusSreg`	`What we need is a layout and dialog editor.`
`20:36.29`	`Ousnius`	`why`
`20:36.38`	`Ousnius`	`auto actor-creation?`
`20:36.38`	`JademusSreg`	`And GUI would be good for that.`
`20:37.27`	`Ousnius`	`you could do a lot of things with an external data ed, too`
`20:37.59`	`Ousnius`	`well ok`
`20:38.07`	`Ousnius`	`dialog designer`
`20:38.10`	`Ousnius`	`without sc2`
`20:38.11`	`Ousnius`	`xD`
`20:39.12`	`JademusSreg`	`A third party GUI data editor probably wouldn't be an improvement over the official GUI data editor, anyway.`
`20:39.28`	`JademusSreg`	`A layout and dialog editor, on the other hand, is highly demanded.`
`20:40.03`	`Nash\|327`	`kittuns.exe would be better`
`20:40.18`	`Ousnius`	`oh right`
`20:40.31`	`Ousnius`	`f*ck sc2layouts.exe`
`20:40.41`	`Ousnius`	`KITTUNS:EXE for president!`
`20:41.16`	`Nash\|327`	`I don't think a program can be elected president`
`20:41.49`	`Ousnius`	`kittuns.exe can`
`20:42.12`	`Nash\|327`	`awesome`
`20:42.17`	`JademusSreg`	`Nash, not YET.`
`20:42.26`	`Ousnius`	`soon kittuns will rule the world xD`
`20:42.27`	`JademusSreg`	`In a century, who can be certain?`
`20:43.39`	`Nash\|327`	`I tied a plastic ruler to my wrist`
`20:43.59`	`Nash\|327`	`helps a bit`
`20:44.10`	`JademusSreg`	`When MegaMan defeats you, he shall gain the power to measure short distances.`
`20:44.28`	`Dustin`	`MEGAMANN`
`20:45.58`	`AlphA_VsT`	`lol`
`20:46.26`	`Dekar`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBXvVaU7sfo`
`20:47.26`	`Nash\|327`	`annoying music`
`20:47.42`	`*** join/#sc2mapster starsmasher (189a633c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.154.99.60)`
`20:48.58`	`Nash\|327`	`annoying music + anime, can't get much worse`
`20:49.09`	`Ousnius`	`how the hell did dimfish encrypt the t3HeightMap file and the other ones in the map files`
`20:57.25`	`*** join/#sc2mapster starsmasher (189a633c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.154.99.60)`
`20:57.36`	`AlphA_VsT`	`where can you cahnge teh tooltip postion on units?`
`21:02.15`	`*** join/#sc2mapster DarkRevenant (~DarkReven@ip72-197-184-165.sd.sd.cox.net)`
`21:02.18`	`DarkRevenant`	`i don't get it`
`21:02.21`	`DarkRevenant`	`im using starcode correctly`
`21:02.26`	`DarkRevenant`	`but it's completely fucking up`
`21:03.30`	`DarkRevenant`	`this is ridiculous`
`21:09.45`	`Dekar`	`oh hey`
`21:09.45`	`Dekar`	`you are the mafia creator DarkRevenant?`
`21:09.50`	`DarkRevenant`	`yes`
`21:10.01`	`Dekar`	`is that starcode problem related to mafia not saving stats?`
`21:10.03`	`DarkRevenant`	`it even gave me some trigger errors`
`21:10.05`	`DarkRevenant`	`yes`
`21:10.08`	`Dekar`	`ah :)`
`21:10.09`	`DarkRevenant`	`more accurately`
`21:10.12`	`DarkRevenant`	`its the issue of`
`21:10.15`	`DarkRevenant`	`stats saving incorrectly`
`21:10.23`	`DarkRevenant`	`where it'll sometimes zero out but other times`
`21:10.28`	`DarkRevenant`	`set to like 13319`
`21:10.34`	`Dekar`	`yeah`
`21:10.40`	`Dekar`	`i looked at the stats and it was like`
`21:10.53`	`Dekar`	`average of 19 players left at the end of a game`
`21:11.35`	`Nash\|327`	`hax`
`21:11.39`	`burne-`	`http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/921/hellion.jpg`
`21:11.47`	`burne-`	`this is what i managed to get so far`
`21:11.52`	`burne-`	`2 different attachments`
`21:12.07`	`burne-`	`I have to make compromises tough since I cant seem to put some things to right angles`
`21:12.23`	`Nash\|327`	`looks weird :G`
`21:12.30`	`DarkRevenant`	`i was getting STRING LENGTH errors.`
`21:12.32`	`DarkRevenant`	`what.`
`21:12.32`	`burne-`	`yea :D`
`21:12.51`	`Nash\|327`	`fuck Imma sleep`
`21:19.30`	`nodgene_`	`here`
`21:19.44`	`DarkRevenant`	`...`
`21:19.48`	`nodgene_`	`anyone know how to make an upgrade active from the start in the data editor?`
`21:19.54`	`nodgene_`	`like metabolic boost`
`21:20.15`	`*** join/#sc2mapster raydenuni (~raydenuni@69.231.149.113)`
`21:23.34`	`AlphA_VsT`	`h0ow do you hide the selction panel with the stats?`
`21:23.38`	`AlphA_VsT`	`whast the name of it`
`21:23.45`	`nodgene_`	`:\|`
`21:23.53`	`AlphA_VsT`	`nodgene_`
`21:24.11`	`nodgene_`	`I'm not being very beneficial today :(`
`21:24.20`	`AlphA_VsT`	`its a added behavior on the unit`
`21:24.29`	`nodgene_`	`hurr`
`21:24.29`	`AlphA_VsT`	`behavior +`
`21:24.33`	`nodgene_`	`I shall investigate`
`21:25.10`	`AlphA_VsT`	`how do u hide the middle ui pannel?`
`21:25.14`	`DarkRevenant`	`OH GOD`
`21:25.16`	`DarkRevenant`	`I FINALLY KNOW WHY`
`21:25.19`	`nodgene_`	`No idea :(`
`21:25.20`	`DarkRevenant`	`FUCK YOU S3RIUS`
`21:25.24`	`DarkRevenant`	`FUCK FUCK FUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCK`
`21:25.33`	`DarkRevenant`	`that is such a retarded limitation`
`21:25.38`	`DarkRevenant`	`all max values must be different`
`21:25.40`	`DarkRevenant`	`bullshit.`
`21:26.22`	`AlphA_VsT`	`?`
`21:27.58`	`blub_`	`AlphA_VsT: there's a function for it afaik`
`21:28.11`	`AlphA_VsT`	`not the whole pannel`
`21:28.34`	`AlphA_VsT`	`i need to just hide that part but i need the name :(`
`21:29.16`	`blub_`	`is it actually legal to use custom SC2Layout files?`
`21:29.56`	`DarkRevenant`	`yes`
`21:30.02`	`DarkRevenant`	`you cant edit everything though`
`21:30.05`	`Dekar`	`lol`
`21:30.06`	`DarkRevenant`	`some things just dont want to edit`
`21:30.11`	`Dekar`	`why should it be illegal?`
`21:30.12`	`Dekar`	`:D`
`21:30.20`	`DarkRevenant`	`i never managed to get the lag box to change`
`21:30.34`	`DarkRevenant`	`some parts of the chat window just won't budge`
`21:30.43`	`blub_`	`well...`
`21:30.53`	`blub_`	`then how come "Show/Hide UI Frame" is restrictued to blizzard maps?`
`21:31.21`	`blub_`	`and, I was told it's usable in initializers (before game initialization)... - how about that? is taht legal too?`
`21:31.28`	`blub_`	`then why restruct stuff in the first place?`
`21:31.53`	`Dekar`	`theres nothing illegal you can do`
`21:32.04`	`Dekar`	`unless its like porn or racist`
`21:32.07`	`Dekar`	`in your map`
`21:32.08`	`blub_`	`well`
`21:32.10`	`Dekar`	`or a virus`
`21:32.12`	`Dekar`	`D:`
`21:32.13`	`AlphA_VsT`	`ok so apprently you can`
`21:32.14`	`AlphA_VsT`	`lol`
`21:32.16`	`blub_`	`if you use it in a trigger it says "unauthorized"`
`21:32.18`	`AlphA_VsT`	`hide info pannel`
`21:32.19`	`AlphA_VsT`	`wow`
`21:32.23`	`blub_`	`if you use it in an initializer it works...`
`21:32.26`	`blub_`	`how much sense does that make?`
`21:32.31`	`Dekar`	`blizz logic`
`21:32.43`	`AlphA_VsT`	`<Frame type="Image" name="CommandPanelFrame">\\`
`21:32.43`	`AlphA_VsT`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:32.44`	`AlphA_VsT`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:32.44`	`AlphA_VsT`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:32.44`	`AlphA_VsT`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:32.46`	`AlphA_VsT`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:32.48`	`AlphA_VsT`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:32.50`	`AlphA_VsT`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:32.52`	`AlphA_VsT`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:32.57`	`AlphA_VsT`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:32.57`	`AlphA_VsT`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:32.58`	`AlphA_VsT`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:33.00`	`AlphA_VsT`	`</Frame>`
`21:33.01`	`Dekar`	`spammer :p`
`21:33.02`	`AlphA_VsT`	`ops`
`21:33.04`	`AlphA_VsT`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:33.06`	`AlphA_VsT`	`:D`
`21:33.08`	`AlphA_VsT`	`that some how worked`
`21:33.12`	`AlphA_VsT`	`when i used it`
`21:33.21`	`AlphA_VsT`	`why is that so?`
`21:33.58`	`blub_`	`pastebin ftw`
`21:34.02`	`Dekar`	`~seen Helral\|Afk`
`21:34.03`	`purl`	`helral\|afk is currently on #sc2mapster (2d 34m 10s). Has said a total of 2 messages. Is idling for 1d 10h 6m 59s, last said: 'meow?'.`
`21:34.05`	`AlphA_VsT`	`shouldnt be so :P`
`21:34.09`	`AlphA_VsT`	`fucking easy`
`21:34.30`	`AlphA_VsT`	`ok so`
`21:34.42`	`AlphA_VsT`	`now to move the command panel`
`21:37.35`	`burne-`	`http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/project-workplace/20496-my-map-factory-star-drivers/#p19`
`21:38.54`	`burne-`	`feedback and comments appriciated`
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`21:40.15`	`AlphA_VsT`	`its awesome in its own right`
`21:40.22`	`booom3`	`Hey, I have this problem`
`21:40.30`	`JademusSreg`	`Wow, I haven't seen low graphic settings since beta. =D`
`21:40.45`	`booom3`	`When someone else builds a refinery under the fog the icon for the resource point on the minimap dissapers`
`21:40.55`	`booom3`	`effectively revealing that someone took it`
`21:40.56`	`burne-`	`hehe`
`21:41.00`	`JademusSreg`	`Yup.`
`21:41.10`	`burne-`	`my graphic driver broke so now i mostly use low graphics :(`
`21:41.23`	`JademusSreg`	`The answer is in the magic of actors, boom.`
`21:41.40`	`blub_`	`burne-: why can't you make them 100% as you want them? :P`
`21:41.45`	`booom3`	`Yeah and I hate actors`
`21:41.51`	`booom3`	`So how can I make this work right`
`21:41.53`	`burne-`	`cause the facing angle sometimes fucks up`
`21:41.59`	`burne-`	`I gotta put them as they come`
`21:42.05`	`burne-`	`cant change the angle`
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`21:42.35`	`blub_`	`well the angles are a bit tricky... true`
`21:42.44`	`JademusSreg`	`boom, I don't have the editor open, but I expect the answer is in how the vespene geyser structures work.`
`21:42.51`	`blub_`	`the only rotation site op that works properly is the explicit-rotation one`
`21:42.55`	`blub_`	`the others screw up :/`
`21:43.00`	`burne-`	`but what you think of the picture?`
`21:43.04`	`booom3`	`I've tried looking around but I can't find it`
`21:43.24`	`burne-`	`yea I can do some stuff with explicit rotation`
`21:43.33`	`Xaragoth`	`The Deer is a lie!`
`21:43.38`	`burne-`	`but not evertyhing that i want to do`
`21:43.40`	`blub_`	`but that then is absolute`
`21:43.48`	`blub_`	`and won't rotate with the unit, or will it?`
`21:43.55`	`burne-`	`yup thats the problem`
`21:44.03`	`burne-`	`atleast the "motors" didnt`
`21:44.05`	`burne-`	`when i tried it`
`21:44.26`	`blub_`	`burne-: well, "Forward Vector"`
`21:44.30`	`blub_`	`try those`
`21:44.36`	`blub_`	`I know the "up vector" ones screw up`
`21:44.46`	`blub_`	`but I needed to rotate around 2 angles there`
`21:44.50`	`blub_`	`and gave up on that`
`21:44.56`	`burne-`	`i think iv had enough of those bullshit things`
`21:44.57`	`JademusSreg`	`boom, standard geyser, custom structure?`
`21:44.59`	`burne-`	`just tell me`
`21:45.02`	`burne-`	`is it good enough`
`21:45.06`	`booom3`	`automated refinery standard geyser`
`21:45.10`	`burne-`	`cause thast the best i can do`
`21:45.26`	`JademusSreg`	`Alright. So is it the automated refinery from the campaign?`
`21:45.36`	`JademusSreg`	`Or a custom?`
`21:46.02`	`booom3`	`the same, i've modified how much it takes and removed the ticker because the text just would not work right with fog`
`21:46.11`	`burne-`	`-_-`
`21:47.59`	`JademusSreg`	`Did you mess with the actor events much?`
`21:48.17`	`burne-`	`actually i like the attachments`
`21:48.19`	`booom3`	`I have tried to avoid it as much as I can`
`21:48.20`	`burne-`	`:(`
`21:49.00`	`booom3`	`But if I remember correctly placing an auto refinery in the editor shows up the right minimap icon until you see it after which it displays the building`
`21:49.42`	`JademusSreg`	`Explain?`
`21:50.05`	`booom3`	`It shows the minimap icon for resource point until you see that it's actually a refinery`
`21:50.37`	`burne-`	`blub_ where did you go`
`21:50.52`	`blub_`	`burne-: here`
`21:51.00`	`JademusSreg`	`boom, yes, that sounds right.`
`21:51.02`	`burne-`	`you still didint answer my question`
`21:51.07`	`blub_`	`burne-: pic looks fine`
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`21:51.25`	`blub_`	`burne- ... variance rotation seems to be working in my testcase atm >.<`
`21:51.31`	`blub_`	`ah damn sry for the /msg...`
`21:51.33`	`blub_`	`accident`
`21:51.39`	`burne-`	`it didnt work for me`
`21:51.48`	`burne-`	`the angle went fucked up`
`21:51.50`	`burne-`	`when i tried it`
`21:51.59`	`blub_`	`what else did you do before that rotation?`
`21:52.03`	`blub_`	`or was it hte first siteop`
`21:52.11`	`burne-`	`umm`
`21:52.21`	`Vindicator`	`does anyone know how to make a unit attack once and not continue auto-attacking?`
`21:52.23`	`burne-`	`something like attach middle and local offset`
`21:52.50`	`burne-`	`then tried to use variance rotation with 90 angle`
`21:52.55`	`burne-`	`but it gives something totally different`
`21:53.00`	`burne-`	`sometimes`
`21:53.08`	`blub_`	`ok forget it, doesn't work :O`
`21:53.11`	`JademusSreg`	`boom, I'm not sure I understand the issue then.`
`21:53.32`	`JademusSreg`	`I understand it has something to do with the minimap.`
`21:53.48`	`burne-`	`rofl`
`21:53.49`	`burne-`	`:D`
`21:53.55`	`booom3`	`When someone else builds a refinery underneath the fog, the resource point dissapears from the minimap`
`21:54.00`	`JademusSreg`	`Alright.`
`21:54.15`	`booom3`	`Are you EU?`
`21:55.52`	`JademusSreg`	`Nope.`
`21:55.59`	`booom3`	`Dammit, oh well`
`21:56.16`	`JademusSreg`	`I think I understand.`
`21:56.39`	`JademusSreg`	`Try something for me.`
`21:56.44`	`blub_`	`burne-: actually it does`
`21:56.45`	`booom3`	`Anything`
`21:56.48`	`blub_`	`but only if you only use the forward angle`
`21:56.51`	`blub_`	`and leave the up angle as 0`
`21:56.54`	`JademusSreg`	`Go to the Automatic Harvestable Vespene behavior.`
`21:56.58`	`blub_`	`so, you can do a rotation around the Z axis`
`21:57.01`	`blub_`	`but no other rotation`
`21:57.05`	`blub_`	`anything else just screws`
`21:57.05`	`JademusSreg`	`Set Behavior - Required Alliance to Control.`
`21:57.20`	`JademusSreg`	`See if that does anything.`
`21:58.07`	`burne-`	`blub_ i already know`
`21:58.09`	`burne-`	`-_-`
`21:58.25`	`burne-`	`I can still use it`
`21:58.29`	`burne-`	`but its a bit broken`
`21:58.43`	`blub_`	`in what way then`
`21:58.56`	`burne-`	`what what`
`21:59.06`	`booom3`	`JademusSreg: where is that`
`21:59.32`	`JademusSreg`	`Go to the Automatic Harvestable Vespene behavior, set Behavior - Required Alliance field from Passive to Control.`
`21:59.57`	`booom3`	`Ohhhh`
`22:00.09`	`booom3`	`Never even thought to look there`
`22:00.15`	`booom3`	`If this works I owe you a blowjob`
`22:00.20`	`JademusSreg`	`Hah.`
`22:00.30`	`JademusSreg`	`I'm not certain it will work.`
`22:00.42`	`JademusSreg`	`But it is an obvious difference from the other Harvestable behaviors.`
`22:01.13`	`JademusSreg`	`And Resource class behaviors determine if a unit is displayed in the minimap with the resource color.`
`22:01.22`	`booom3`	`Ohhhhh`
`22:01.53`	`booom3`	`Still new to this and it showing up or not could easily determine the outcome of a match`
`22:02.05`	`JademusSreg`	`I'm not certain it will have any effect.`
`22:02.11`	`JademusSreg`	`But it's worth a shot.`
`22:04.59`	`AlphA_VsT`	`RAWR`
`22:05.02`	`AlphA_VsT`	`so close but so far`
`22:13.03`	`AlphA_VsT`	`how can you change the tooltip postion on a unit?`
`22:13.07`	`JademusSreg`	`?`
`22:13.12`	`JademusSreg`	`Explain?`
`22:13.28`	`AlphA_VsT`	`hold on`
`22:13.32`	`AlphA_VsT`	`show you`
`22:14.48`	`AlphA_VsT`	`http://i.imgur.com/NPg4K.png`
`22:15.01`	`AlphA_VsT`	`life +100 is bellow the unit 0.o`
`22:15.01`	`JademusSreg`	`Ah.`
`22:15.11`	`AlphA_VsT`	`i want to mvoe it`
`22:15.35`	`AlphA_VsT`	`or move`
`22:15.42`	`AlphA_VsT`	`either works`
`22:16.19`	`JademusSreg`	`In the actor UI, I see Name Offset.`
`22:16.33`	`JademusSreg`	`I wonder if that is close.`
`22:17.16`	`AlphA_VsT`	`one way to know`
`22:17.23`	`AlphA_VsT`	`i thought that was for the bar`
`22:17.47`	`JademusSreg`	`Bar Offets have their own stuff.`
`22:17.55`	`JademusSreg`	`*Offsets`
`22:18.15`	`JademusSreg`	`UI - Name Offset should be below that.`
`22:19.20`	`AlphA_VsT`	`yeah i see it lol`
`22:20.13`	`AlphA_VsT`	`- offsets down work`
`22:20.14`	`AlphA_VsT`	`YAY!!!!`
`22:20.17`	`AlphA_VsT`	`:(`
`22:20.25`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha.`
`22:20.41`	`JademusSreg`	`Is that a scaled model?`
`22:20.46`	`JademusSreg`	`Or default size?`
`22:21.16`	`AlphA_VsT`	`scaled`
`22:21.23`	`JademusSreg`	`If thinking the radius in either the model or the unit is at fault here.`
`22:21.23`	`AlphA_VsT`	`by 50%`
`22:21.36`	`JademusSreg`	`Try changing the model radius first.`
`22:21.39`	`AlphA_VsT`	`a postive number works`
`22:21.46`	`AlphA_VsT`	`just not a negative`
`22:22.14`	`JademusSreg`	`Scaling is a factor; a negative number wouldn't even make sense.`
`22:22.30`	`booom3`	`It would make sense`
`22:22.36`	`booom3`	`It would mirror it`
`22:22.40`	`JademusSreg`	`=)`
`22:22.53`	`AlphA_VsT`	`thats why it says -800...800`
`22:22.54`	`JademusSreg`	`But it wouldn't make sense to use it.`
`22:23.30`	`AlphA_VsT`	`i dont see how scaling would affect the movement of the tooltip for a single direction`
`22:23.31`	`JademusSreg`	`boom, any luck?`
`22:23.42`	`booom3`	`Dunno yet`
`22:23.49`	`booom3`	`Noone to try it aganst`
`22:23.50`	`booom3`	`against*`
`22:23.51`	`JademusSreg`	`Scales up, the radius scales up, and the tooltip is offset by the radius.`
`22:24.16`	`JademusSreg`	`So try reducing the radius, Alph.`
`22:24.23`	`JademusSreg`	`boom, just make an AI build one.`
`22:24.37`	`booom3`	`I tried that before and I couldn't do it`
`22:24.51`	`JademusSreg`	`Create a unit for an enemy player, issue an order to build targetting a point.`
`22:24.56`	`booom3`	`Oh right`
`22:25.04`	`booom3`	`Yeah I thought you meant through the AI commands`
`22:25.13`	`JademusSreg`	`Hah.`
`22:26.13`	`AlphA_VsT`	`where would i change the radius?`
`22:26.17`	`JademusSreg`	`Model.`
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`22:30.09`	`AlphA_VsT`	`its not working`
`22:30.58`	`AlphA_VsT`	`a number works but it lwoers it`
`22:31.04`	`AlphA_VsT`	`i want to raise it :(`
`22:31.13`	`AlphA_VsT`	`might be a camera issue`
`22:31.29`	`JademusSreg`	`To what are you setting the radius?`
`22:32.12`	`AlphA_VsT`	`what does it matter?`
`22:32.15`	`AlphA_VsT`	`its .5`
`22:32.24`	`AlphA_VsT`	`err i set it as .25`
`22:32.44`	`JademusSreg`	`And that made it go lower?`
`22:33.15`	`AlphA_VsT`	`no`
`22:33.23`	`AlphA_VsT`	`it didnt affect anything`
`22:34.45`	`booom3`	`JademusSreg: it didn't work :(`
`22:35.11`	`AlphA_VsT`	`i set the radius as -1 12 with no change`
`22:36.00`	`JademusSreg`	`Hm.`
`22:37.47`	`JademusSreg`	`I'm looking at the refineries in the xml, see if there is any distinct significant difference.`
`22:38.02`	`AlphA_VsT`	`hmmm`
`22:38.28`	`AlphA_VsT`	`maybe i should get the highlight working and make a custom dialog to display the info`
`22:38.31`	`AlphA_VsT`	`or some shit`
`22:38.58`	`AlphA_VsT`	`JademusSreg, do you know what the name of the command panel is so i can move it?`
`22:39.00`	`AlphA_VsT`	`or anyone`
`22:39.07`	`JademusSreg`	`Yup.`
`22:39.17`	`JademusSreg`	`c_syncFrameTypeCommandPanel`
`22:39.28`	`JademusSreg`	`Oh, you mean in the layout files?`
`22:39.56`	`AlphA_VsT`	`yeah`
`22:40.08`	`AlphA_VsT`	`i mean i have the correct name i just not sure on the path`
`22:40.41`	`AlphA_VsT`	`slight issue with hiding the command panel`
`22:40.48`	`AlphA_VsT`	`is that hotkeys wont work`
`22:40.49`	`AlphA_VsT`	`0.o`
`22:40.56`	`booom3`	`Also when you build a refinery on top, the geyser shrinks into the ground a bit`
`22:40.59`	`booom3`	`Not sure if that helps`
`22:40.59`	`JademusSreg`	`<Frame type='CommandPanel' name='GameUI/UIContainer/ConsoleUIContainer/CommandPanel' file='GameUI'>`
`22:41.06`	`booom3`	`That is, you can see it shrink in the fog`
`22:41.37`	`JademusSreg`	`boom, if its on terrain that has been deformed, that is because the actors have an actor even to level the terrain.`
`22:41.46`	`JademusSreg`	`*actor event`
`22:41.54`	`booom3`	`No it's perfectly flat terrain`
`22:42.10`	`booom3`	`And you still wouldn't see that through fog right`
`22:42.39`	`Ousnius`	`~seen dimfish`
`22:42.40`	`purl`	`dimfish <~James_Jen@pv131021.reshsg.uci.edu> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 195d 21h 23m 21s ago, saying: 'trying to get into SC2 modeling --> how can I get my hands on the DDS files for SC2 models? I see how to export the M3 from the Editor's model previewer, but I don't understand how/where the textures are to open/edit '.`
`22:43.00`	`Ousnius`	`<.<`
`22:43.06`	`JademusSreg`	`Wakka wakka`
`22:45.17`	`AlphA_VsT`	`?`
`22:45.45`	`Ousnius`	`I need to know how dimfish encryped the t3HeightMap file`
`22:45.46`	`AlphA_VsT`	`can you not move the command panel? :(`
`22:46.06`	`JademusSreg`	`Sure you can.`
`22:46.13`	`AlphA_VsT`	`or am i doing it completely wrong`
`22:46.18`	`Ousnius`	`I could code a external terrain editor`
`22:46.22`	`Ousnius`	`with rando mterrain options`
`22:46.42`	`JademusSreg`	`boom.`
`22:46.46`	`booom3`	`yes`
`22:47.20`	`JademusSreg`	`Try adding ResourceState Harvestable to the unit.`
`22:47.46`	`Ousnius`	`I'd have to chat with dim and then BOOOM "Ousnius Terrain Generator" XD`
`22:48.10`	`booom3`	`But that makes it so you can have units harvest from it`
`22:48.20`	`booom3`	`And while I could remove the harvest ability from workers`
`22:48.32`	`Motive`	`GRARRRRRRRRRRGH`
`22:48.35`	`booom3`	`There must be some more proper way to do it`
`22:48.41`	`JademusSreg`	`Just try it. The behavior is what determines if they can harvest.`
`22:48.56`	`JademusSreg`	`Since the behavior won't allow it, it shouldn't be an issue.`
`22:49.14`	`*** join/#sc2mapster WhiteBomber (~WhiteBomb@66.185.77.243)`
`22:49.31`	`JademusSreg`	`(I'm not sure it doesn't allow it; if this works, just add a validator to the harvest ability.)`
`22:51.31`	`AlphA_VsT`	`ok`
`22:51.33`	`JademusSreg`	`There aren't many differences between the AutoRefinery and the standard Refinery, so one must exhaust one's options.`
`22:53.17`	`AlphA_VsT`	`i know im doing something horribly wrong http://pastebin.com/QNtK7C65 thats what i have currently and it does nothing`
`22:53.29`	`AlphA_VsT`	`but i know its wrong`
`22:53.36`	`AlphA_VsT`	`i just dont know how to fix it`
`22:53.54`	`JademusSreg`	`Why did you declare <Frame type="CommandPanel" name="CommandPanel"> inside the Command Panel?`
`22:54.02`	`AlphA_VsT`	`IDONo`
`22:54.09`	`AlphA_VsT`	`i have no fucking idea what im doing`
`22:54.19`	`AlphA_VsT`	`heance why i know its not correct`
`22:54.20`	`JademusSreg`	`It's rhetorical; you don't need that line.`
`22:54.22`	`booom3`	`Nope still doesn't work`
`22:54.32`	`AlphA_VsT`	`i tried it without that line`
`22:54.43`	`AlphA_VsT`	`im pretty sure it failed but i will go again`
`22:55.24`	`Ousnius`	`random question: anyone capable of trying to decypt a file?`
`22:55.29`	`Ousnius`	`decrypt*`
`22:55.42`	`AlphA_VsT`	`why`
`22:56.13`	`Ousnius`	`sc2 map file -> "t3HeightMap" file -> decrypt -> random terran generator`
`22:56.22`	`Ousnius`	`terrain`
`22:56.38`	`AlphA_VsT`	`ok?`
`22:57.03`	`JademusSreg`	`boom, what terrain texture set is it on?`
`22:57.08`	`booom3`	`Char`
`22:57.36`	`Ousnius`	`dimfish did it somehow`
`22:57.41`	`Ousnius`	`with his SC2 map analyzer`
`22:58.34`	`AlphA_VsT`	`what are you trying to do though`
`22:58.35`	`AlphA_VsT`	`really`
`22:58.48`	`JademusSreg`	`And which geyser variant? Standard?`
`22:58.58`	`booom3`	`yes`
`22:59.13`	`booom3`	`Does it matter if I renamed the geyser?`
`22:59.16`	`Ousnius`	`SC2Layout Designer`
`22:59.20`	`Ousnius`	`and amybe terrai ngenerator`
`22:59.22`	`Ousnius`	`maybe*`
`22:59.38`	`Ousnius`	`melee map generator`
`22:59.39`	`JademusSreg`	`It would matter if you changed the id, probably, but changing the name is silly, not harmful.`
`22:59.39`	`Ousnius`	`XD`
`23:00.09`	`booom3`	`Well you can't change the geyser ID`
`23:00.11`	`AlphA_VsT`	`http://pastebin.com/FCjrQXw7 still not working :(`
`23:01.23`	`AlphA_VsT`	`grrrr`
`23:01.35`	`JademusSreg`	`Alph, did you select the file for Custom Layout File in the Game UI data section of the data editor?`
`23:02.13`	`AlphA_VsT`	`yeah everything else in my file is working`
`23:05.30`	`JademusSreg`	`Strange. Maybe the path is wrong.`
`23:05.40`	`JademusSreg`	`I grabbed it from Helral's thing.`
`23:07.25`	`booom3`	`Ok I fixed the minimap thing`
`23:07.29`	`JademusSreg`	`?`
`23:07.39`	`booom3`	`There's this geyser event that hides the minimap`
`23:07.44`	`booom3`	`hides it from the minimap*`
`23:07.48`	`JademusSreg`	`Yup.`
`23:07.59`	`booom3`	`I put it to show it on the minimap`
`23:08.03`	`JademusSreg`	`I've been looking at it for a few minutes. =)`
`23:08.25`	`booom3`	`Now the thing is that it still shrinks down into the terrain and it becomes unselectable when you build on it`
`23:11.53`	`AlphA_VsT`	`YAYA`
`23:12.07`	`AlphA_VsT`	`so the first part of my file fucked shit up :(`
`23:12.16`	`JademusSreg`	`=D`
`23:13.45`	`AlphA_VsT`	`extra /frame near the end hmmm`
`23:14.40`	`*** join/#sc2mapster WhiteBomber (~WhiteBomb@66.185.77.243)`
`23:14.41`	`AlphA_VsT`	`fixed teh issue`
`23:14.43`	`AlphA_VsT`	`YAY!`
`23:15.07`	`AlphA_VsT`	`i wish i coudl move that ugly fucking bnet button`
`23:15.33`	`*** join/#sc2mapster FireryRage (~FireryRag@69.166.23.7)`
`23:17.20`	`AlphA_VsT`	`RAGE`
`23:17.25`	`AXE`	`you guys are 1337`
`23:17.26`	`AlphA_VsT`	`lol`
`23:17.45`	`Ousnius`	`AlphA_VsT: you can offset it`
`23:19.01`	`AlphA_VsT`	`i tried`
`23:19.04`	`AlphA_VsT`	`it didnt move`
`23:20.19`	`booom3`	`Hmmm that's funny`
`23:20.33`	`booom3`	`I tried ordering a drone to build on the geyser, a race I haven't modified at all`
`23:20.43`	`booom3`	`And it didn't work either`
`23:21.18`	`AlphA_VsT`	`lol what`
`23:23.42`	`*** join/#sc2mapster raydenuni (~raydenuni@adsl-69-231-149-113.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net)`
`23:23.44`	`AlphA_VsT`	`is it just not a game bug booom3?`
`23:23.53`	`booom3`	`could very well be`
`23:24.01`	`booom3`	`but you'd think they would have solved that since this is used in multi`
`23:24.22`	`AlphA_VsT`	`are you using the multi mod?`
`23:24.33`	`booom3`	`the campaign dependencies`
`23:24.54`	`AlphA_VsT`	`ok back in beta they had a issue with fog and refineries`
`23:25.09`	`AlphA_VsT`	`they patched it`
`23:25.17`	`AlphA_VsT`	`might of patched it into multiplayer`
`23:25.20`	`AlphA_VsT`	`only`
`23:25.28`	`booom3`	`possibly`
`23:25.37`	`AlphA_VsT`	`check into it :P`
`23:27.44`	`JademusSreg`	`Hah.`
`23:30.05`	`AlphA_VsT`	`?`
`23:30.10`	`AlphA_VsT`	`whast so funny?`
`23:30.30`	`JademusSreg`	`Engine bugs.`
`23:31.12`	`AlphA_VsT`	`oh :P`
`23:32.41`	`booom3`	`What does the hoststart, hostclear and hostfinish behavior events even mean?`
`23:34.23`	`JademusSreg`	`I've been wondering about that myself. I think they indicate some sort of relationship relative to the actor's visibility to the player.`
`23:34.23`	`AlphA_VsT`	`host`
`23:34.37`	`JademusSreg`	`But I'm just guessing.`
`23:35.04`	`AlphA_VsT`	`YAY I GOT IT!!!!!!`
`23:35.57`	`booom3`	`No they are what's causing the issue I think`
`23:36.11`	`Ousnius`	`loooooool`
`23:36.21`	`AlphA_VsT`	`AWESOME!!!!`
`23:36.27`	`Ousnius`	`when editing the t3HeighMap in an hex editor this came out:`
`23:37.45`	`Ousnius`	`http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/7708/temptv.png`
`23:37.51`	`Ousnius`	`I'm sad now :(`
`23:38.00`	`booom3`	`Wait I got an idea`
`23:38.23`	`AlphA_VsT`	`im confused Ousnius wtf are you trying to do lol`
`23:38.25`	`JademusSreg`	`That's funny, Ous.`
`23:38.46`	`Ousnius`	`external editing of map terrain`
`23:38.50`	`Ousnius`	`with hex editor`
`23:38.55`	`AlphA_VsT`	`why`
`23:38.58`	`Ousnius`	`then terrain generator`
`23:39.04`	`Ousnius`	`random melee maps`
`23:39.16`	`AlphA_VsT`	`how could you do that`
`23:39.36`	`Ousnius`	`code a program which creates a t3HeightMap file and puts it in the map MPQ xD`
`23:39.54`	`Ousnius`	`and the other t3 files`
`23:40.04`	`AlphA_VsT`	`but you can only have 1 0.o`
`23:40.04`	`Zoxc`	`JademusSreg: Know of any good maps on Europe? =P`
`23:40.12`	`AlphA_VsT`	`hes not on eu`
`23:40.18`	`AlphA_VsT`	`try his map though`
`23:40.25`	`AlphA_VsT`	`:P`
`23:40.30`	`JademusSreg`	`Photon Cycles.`
`23:40.36`	`booom3`	`ok no my idea didn't work`
`23:40.37`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha`
`23:40.56`	`Ousnius`	`ofc you can only have one @ AlphA_VsT`
`23:41.13`	`JademusSreg`	`But seriously, The Card Game thing made by Clord is pretty well polished, but only good if you like MTG.`
`23:41.17`	`AlphA_VsT`	`http://i.imgur.com/YcdOO.png :D UI basics done :D`
`23:41.21`	`Zoxc`	`JademusSreg: Too bad that map is going to suck because of the latency :)`
`23:41.29`	`JademusSreg`	`No wai`
`23:41.31`	`AlphA_VsT`	`you would think that`
`23:41.39`	`Ousnius`	`one t3HeightMap, one t3CliffLevel etc.`
`23:41.39`	`Zoxc`	`No, I know that`
`23:41.45`	`AlphA_VsT`	`JademusSreg, is amazing`
`23:41.59`	`AlphA_VsT`	`so Ousnius you can change the file`
`23:42.01`	`JademusSreg`	`It's handles pretty well, but I've been murdered by lag before, too. So it all depends on the weather, so to speak.`
`23:42.08`	`JademusSreg`	`*It`
`23:42.14`	`Ousnius`	`yes but can't get it to work`
`23:42.24`	`AlphA_VsT`	`i mean you cant`
`23:42.26`	`AlphA_VsT`	`:P`
`23:42.39`	`Ousnius`	`:P`
`23:42.39`	`JademusSreg`	`Let's see, is Smashcraft hosted in EU?`
`23:42.40`	`AlphA_VsT`	`at least not once its in the map`
`23:42.51`	`JademusSreg`	`It's also pretty well polished, and strong core gameplay.`
`23:43.19`	`AlphA_VsT`	`http://i.imgur.com/YcdOO.png UI!!!!!!! FUCK!!! LOOK!!!!`
`23:43.27`	`AXE`	`jademus i agre with you about the card game`
`23:43.29`	`JademusSreg`	`But given that it is a "highly competitive" map, you can bet a lot of the players will be assholes.`
`23:43.32`	`AXE`	`agree*`
`23:43.39`	`AlphA_VsT`	`i need to move the bnet thingy :(`
`23:44.15`	`AXE`	`players will be assholes in any map, i even met some trolls in maps like pictionary ;P`
`23:44.40`	`AlphA_VsT`	`oh god`
`23:44.43`	`JademusSreg`	`Hah.`
`23:44.49`	`AlphA_VsT`	`those kind of maps are doomed to fail`
`23:45.06`	`AlphA_VsT`	`not by design but from the players`
`23:45.34`	`JademusSreg`	`Identificationary requires players to pick their own words.`
`23:45.38`	`Ousnius`	`hahaha thats so funny`
`23:45.44`	`JademusSreg`	`So you can imagine what happens in that map.`
`23:45.48`	`Ousnius`	`it actually doesnt crash sc2`
`23:46.03`	`Ousnius`	`http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/2357/tempfl.jpg`
`23:46.15`	`Ousnius`	`height offset :P`
`23:46.27`	`booom3`	`Looks fucking awesome, like an oldschool SC1 custom`
`23:46.49`	`booom3`	`Or is that newschool`
`23:47.02`	`booom3`	`In any case, looks like an SC1 custom`
`23:47.10`	`Ousnius`	`it's bugschool`
`23:47.16`	`AlphA_VsT`	`lol`
`23:47.49`	`AlphA_VsT`	`hacking the map file to make square tiles in sc1 <3`
`23:47.59`	`AlphA_VsT`	`best thing ever`
`23:48.35`	`AXE`	`how can you hack a map file of games in custom game list?`
`23:48.39`	`AXE`	`or just open it?`
`23:49.03`	`AXE`	`is there a way to download maps so you can open them in editor?`
`23:49.15`	`JademusSreg`	`Yup.`
`23:49.19`	`JademusSreg`	`From the editor./`
`23:49.24`	`AXE`	`but thats very limited`
`23:49.27`	`AXE`	`you cant open all maps`
`23:50.05`	`AXE`	`cuz once someone figured out how to open all maps, save codes and banks etc can so easily be edited :O`
`23:50.09`	`JademusSreg`	`Locked maps are locked because the creators decided to do so.`
`23:50.21`	`AXE`	`yea but they cannot be accessed another way?`
`23:50.21`	`AlphA_VsT`	`yeah`
`23:50.28`	`AXE`	`if so, blizzard did good job at something for once ;P`
`23:50.33`	`JademusSreg`	`That's not a good thing for content creators like us.`
`23:50.39`	`AlphA_VsT`	`lol`
`23:50.53`	`JademusSreg`	`Naw, it's simple enough to get a locked map, in a sense.`
`23:51.03`	`AXE`	`hmm is it? O.o`
`23:51.15`	`JademusSreg`	`It's just missing components vital to the editor.`
`23:51.21`	`AlphA_VsT`	`you have a cache of the files`
`23:51.33`	`AlphA_VsT`	`if you play it`
`23:51.37`	`JademusSreg`	`So that leaves MPQ editing, and learning galaxy is you want to study the code.`
`23:51.40`	`AXE`	`oh i see, so you are saying that anyone can download them already? O.o`
`23:51.46`	`AXE`	`anyone who knows what to do, anyway?`
`23:52.07`	`JademusSreg`	`Naw, helping people do that stuff is not good.`
`23:52.08`	`Ousnius`	`next try`
`23:52.12`	`Ousnius`	`result is....`
`23:52.20`	`Ousnius`	`damn smae`
`23:52.22`	`Ousnius`	`same*`
`23:52.27`	`AXE`	`yea you shouldnt help them but if its possible then whats the use of memorybanks and save codes? O.o`
`23:52.42`	`AXE`	`its all meaningless then O.o`
`23:52.57`	`JademusSreg`	`Non deterministic encryption so you'`
`23:53.14`	`AXE`	`that sounds fancy ;P`
`23:53.27`	`AXE`	`anyway, so my 23M xp in THE Card Game doesnt mean shit cuz anyone could just hax the map O.o`
`23:53.59`	`JademusSreg`	`you'd need a rainbow table larger than you have memory to fixed out which hash values are valid, blah blah`
`23:54.05`	`JademusSreg`	`*to find`
`23:54.09`	`AXE`	`o rly O.o`
`23:54.22`	`AXE`	`somehow i doubt it, if sc2 can read it, so can any other tool? O.o`
`23:54.25`	`JademusSreg`	`Depends on if the map author is using encryption.`
`23:54.35`	`JademusSreg`	`Built into the map.`
`23:55.16`	`AXE`	`ive never heard of the term "non-determinstic encryption" before, but its cant be completely random or sc2 wouldnt be able to read it either i would think O.o`
`23:55.23`	`AXE`	`typo`
`23:55.27`	`JademusSreg`	`If you have the map source and a value encrypted by the map, you could generate a table of hashes, but it requires non-trivial time and/or memory.`
`23:55.42`	`AXE`	`oh i see what you mean`
`23:55.49`	`JademusSreg`	`So the point of encryption is not that it make values impossible to break, but incredibly inconvenient.`
`23:56.01`	`AXE`	`it would just create so many values that finding the correct one takes too long?`
`23:56.27`	`AXE`	`hmm the concept sounds interesting ;P`
`23:58.18`	`JademusSreg`	`A mapper with anything worth protecting in a map will employ obfuscation to the map script, deleted editor-read files, and compress and encrypt strings in the bank data.`
`23:59.04`	`JademusSreg`	`I don't make anything someone would take as srs bsns, so I don't care about all that stuff. But there are tools and libraries for doing all that stuff. =D`
`23:59.40`	`AlphA_VsT`	`lol yeah`

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