IRC log for #sc2mapster on 20110421

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00:19.04AlphA_VsTsigh
00:21.15soultaker_alpha
00:21.16soultaker_u there?
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00:37.39SilverSeraphimsay that i have a region, and i want a trigger to place a building in the left area of that region, and as the region fills up it should place the next building a little to the right, and then the 3rd a little further to the right, etc. how would i do that?
00:39.26AlphA_VsTyheah?
00:40.10AlphA_VsTSilverSeraphim move teh region 0.o
00:40.44SilverSeraphimwell if a building is destroyed, it should fill in the gap though
00:41.50SilverSeraphimi suppose if a building is destroyed, the region could return to the origin, do a check to see if it contains a building, if so move right, check again, etc
00:41.57AlphA_VsTsave the postion of the destoryed building into an array
00:43.10AlphA_VsTand save teh current placement region into a variable
00:43.18SilverSeraphimhmm
00:43.37SilverSeraphimi feel like that will be more complicated
00:43.40AlphA_VsTthen just cycle though the list of areas
00:43.47nodgenewas that I had "player group" twice incorrectly, stewox
00:43.53AlphA_VsTthat are missing buildings before you move t a new spot
00:44.48AlphA_VsTits simple really SilverSeraphim
00:45.43AlphA_VsTbut then again it could end up complex but your asking for a complex thing
00:45.57SilverSeraphimi see
00:46.08SilverSeraphimok i have one more question
00:46.42SilverSeraphimis there a way for me to make it so that pressing the Space Bar does not move you to the last event that happened
00:46.47SilverSeraphimi want to use it for a different input
00:47.04SilverSeraphimbut if something happens like "Our units are under attack!", it ends up jumping the camera
00:47.24AlphA_VsTyeah you would have to remove all this alearts for the data
00:47.40AlphA_VsTthose alerts
00:48.50SilverSeraphimoh
00:48.55SilverSeraphimwhere are the alerts found?
00:49.27SilverSeraphimoh i see it's a data section
00:51.18AlphA_VsTfrom :Dyeah
00:51.23AlphA_VsT<PROTECTED>
00:51.29AlphA_VsTbut yeah
00:51.48AlphA_VsTwhat do u want to do with the space bar?
00:52.15SilverSeraphimi am using keys to input combos and i want space to execute the combo
00:52.32SilverSeraphimand you can't delete the alerts
00:52.33SilverSeraphimi just tried
00:53.05SilverSeraphimhttp://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/triggers/8380-trigger-fully-disabling-any-key/
00:53.11AlphA_VsTsure you can
00:53.13SilverSeraphimprogammer says "disable the alert frame"
00:54.03AlphA_VsTok
00:54.09SilverSeraphimhow do i do that?
00:54.10SilverSeraphimlol
00:54.38AlphA_VsTidono
00:55.08AlphA_VsTjsut turn off the flags for each aleart :P
00:59.11SilverSeraphimthere are very many alerts
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00:59.43SilverSeraphimwait i found it
00:59.52SilverSeraphimeach alert has "primary actions"
01:00.06SilverSeraphim"actions that occur when the alert is left clicked or the spacebar is pressed"
01:01.54AlphA_VsTyes
01:01.57AlphA_VsTgo you
01:02.06AlphA_VsTalso turn off teh ping flag
01:02.31AlphA_VsTand set teh duration to 0
01:08.23SilverSeraphimyeah i disable the display too
01:08.27SilverSeraphimso it displays to no one
01:08.32SilverSeraphimhopefully that does the trick
01:18.58AlphA_VsTshould
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02:00.14grim001...
02:00.22grim001deaod, how is your project coming
02:13.03JademusSregTime to refactor, whoo boy.
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03:04.45Mexa|AfkBitgrim001, how's your going also?
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03:06.12LordAbysshmm this is funny
03:06.13grim001I have been applying the principle that a good programmer spends more time thinking about the time than actually programming
03:06.23grim001:P
03:06.27LordAbyssSo i have a video on youtube
03:06.47LordAbyssthat uses Blizzard made music and Music Publishing Rights Collecting Society made a copyright claim
03:06.48LordAbysslol
03:06.59LordAbyssi don't have to do anything about it but I find that funny
03:07.27grim001I came up with a very interesting hybrid of a multi-staged approach and my original object-encapsulated approach
03:07.36Mexa|AfkBitoh?
03:08.17Mexa|AfkBitLordAbyss, just uh, refill back a report if they come and stomp on it again
03:08.39LordAbyssthey didn't do anything, i just got a copyright notice next to my video
03:08.46LordAbyssnothing i have to worry about haha
03:08.50Mexa|AfkBitlol
03:08.54LordAbyssi just think it is funny
03:08.58Mexa|AfkBitStill fail.
03:09.07Mexa|AfkBitWhere's the video at?
03:09.35LordAbysshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1f_vUotc1IQ
03:10.13Mexa|AfkBitDoesn't say anything about it thoguh
03:10.24LordAbyssit is on my own selection screen
03:10.25LordAbyssyou know
03:10.32LordAbysswhere you can see your own video uploads
03:10.33Mexa|AfkBitoh
03:10.36Mexa|AfkBitlol
03:10.42SentryIIIIf I had to guess, the copyright notice is because of the wc3 music
03:11.45Mexa|AfkBitSounds more reasonable, even though they don't have a clue what Blizzard allows..
03:11.49SentryIIIBiggest reason for filing a copyright claim right now is because of music
03:12.52Mexa|AfkBitLordAbyss, you should dispute the claim though.
03:13.08SentryIIIBut that video only has 568 views... what are the chances that blizzard even found the video to file the claim?
03:13.12Mexa|AfkBitThey can have the video claimed taken down
03:13.46LordAbysshaha that video has been up for a while i don't think it is going down
03:14.09Mexa|AfkBitWell, now you now anyway:p
03:14.12Mexa|AfkBit*know
03:14.59Mexa|AfkBitSentry, as it seems though, that Blizzard do not care about resources put in sc2 if they are from their own games.
03:15.42LordAbyssi think most music people don't care to much as long as you aren't making money off of it
03:15.52SentryIIII should mention though, there have been some people abusing the flagging system
03:15.56Mexa|AfkBitI would at least ask..
03:15.57SentryIIILordAbyss, that's true.
03:16.20LordAbyssi have had some other songs from movies and stuff in my  videos, i have a couple more copyright claims but just telling me people have claimed the music, nothing i have to worry about
03:16.25LordAbyssmy account is still in good standing
03:16.30LordAbysswith 3 copyright claims on my videos
03:16.55SentryIIISome people had videos taken down simply because other people didn't like it and flagged it for copyright infringement, despite not having any copyrighted content
03:17.02Mexa|AfkBitMaking money or not, ripping assets form other companies without any permission granted is wrong. But that is just my opinion, you can do whatever you want with it:p
03:17.25SentryIIIWell of course it's wrong.
03:17.38SentryIIII have to follow that since I'm trying to get a youtube partnership eventually
03:17.52SentryIIIGotta use creative commons licensed music
03:17.58Mexa|AfkBityeah
03:18.23SentryIIIIf you're just doing it as a hobby, you have a lot more freedom
03:18.27Mexa|AfkBitThere's plenty of them who only demands a single thing as being credited when you use it
03:18.32Mexa|AfkBitWhich is nice
03:18.39SentryIIICredits are easy to make
03:18.43Mexa|AfkBitExactly
03:19.09LordAbyssyea my stuff is just for fun
03:19.13LordAbysswhen i have the time
03:19.27SentryIIII think JademusSreg is in a similar situation as myself
03:19.32JademusSregYes.
03:19.37Mexa|AfkBitIn what
03:19.42SentryIII:D
03:19.51LordAbyssone of my videos has almost 10k views haha, and it uses a symphony song i found through the youtube sound thing
03:19.54SentryIIIHow are those two sources of music I gave you?
03:20.02JademusSregI've been in search of music with license that permit redistribution.
03:20.21Mexa|AfkBitWell, those are different music choices and allowed
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03:20.30JademusSregTorley Wong is kind of uninspired, but there were a few good tracks in there; I decided on Accelerative Thurst (appropriate) and Darko.
03:20.42JademusSreg*Thrust
03:20.43SentryIIIJademusSreg, you're trying to get a youtube partnership too, right?
03:20.52Mexa|AfkBitMay say they are getting pretty much annoying now.. **cough** **soundsystem 009**
03:21.04JademusSregNope, just making a good map respectful of artists.
03:21.21SentryIIIOh! THen you actually have a lot more freedom than myself
03:21.24JademusSregIf I were going for a youtube partnership, the first thing I would do is take down my existing videos.
03:21.33SentryIIIYou can use newgrounds music
03:21.37Mexa|AfkBitJademus, your map got reset to about 2 hours last time I checked today
03:21.44Mexa|AfkBitWhich is knid of.. derp
03:21.48onetwomeh
03:21.54JademusSregYeah, my hours are decreasing over hear as well.
03:21.56SentryIIIIT's creative commons licensed music too, but the only thing that prevents me from using it is the Non-commercial condition
03:22.06onetwoive been 'in processing' for partnership since august 2010
03:22.06JademusSregWas over 73 hours, and has begun sliding into the 60s.
03:22.22SentryIIII think that song from Roach Snake was from newgrounds
03:22.31Mexa|AfkBitIt has more bookmarks now thoguh
03:22.49onetwowow sixen isnt here
03:22.53JademusSregI don't believe I have yet done enough in my youtube channel to warrant such a thing.
03:23.15LordAbyssi know
03:23.19LordAbysssixen is a slacker
03:23.24Mexa|AfkBitOkay, thats nice
03:23.35Mexa|AfkBitJade, your mad has 72 bookmarks and 73 hours
03:23.39Mexa|AfkBit*map
03:23.52Mexa|AfkBitit's jumping up'ndown completely
03:24.09JademusSregI'm not proud to say I've used unlicensed music in my videos, but I always make sure to promote the source.
03:24.21Mexa|AfkBityeah
03:24.39SentryIIIIn your case, it's should be fine since it falls under fair use
03:24.39JademusSregI don't feel good about it, though. So I'll probably change it in the near future.
03:24.54SentryIIII think
03:25.09JademusSregCool Mexa.
03:25.15JademusSregI've gathered 8 tracks, but have no chance of using them in my map.
03:25.36JademusSregMods I've attempted to upload have failed.
03:25.59Mexa|AfkBitSpeaking of which what you talked about before. How do you get a partnership with youtube?
03:26.06JademusSregOne mod barely holds 3 songs. It's a pathetic state.
03:26.27Mexa|AfkBitI find their Q n A section extremely empty on that topic
03:27.00Mexa|AfkBitAnd also, that partnesship is what gives you that extra border height on the top on your channel, right?
03:27.20SentryIIII think so.
03:27.23Mexa|AfkBitBleh, my keyboard isn't nice today
03:27.36SentryIIII believe huskystarcraft had that problem when applying for partnership
03:27.48SentryIIIThere isn't really any guidelines as to what the requirements were for applying
03:27.55Mexa|AfkBitoh
03:28.01Mexa|AfkBityeah
03:28.19Mexa|AfkBitAnd what about requirements?
03:28.22SentryIIISomeone told me once that you needed at least 100000 total video views
03:28.26JademusSregI have the unenviable task of refactoring lots of code in my map, which I am procrastinating.
03:28.41SentryIIISomeone else told me you needed 1000 total videos daily consistantly
03:28.52SentryIIII really don't know what the true requirements are
03:29.13SentryIIIAll I know is that you need original content, no copyright infringement whatsoever
03:29.42Mexa|AfkBitAye
03:29.45Mexa|AfkBitok
03:29.45SentryIIII'm definitely fine in that area
03:29.52SentryIIINow I just need more views
03:30.11Mexa|AfkBitAs am I... Silly me deleted my old youtube account
03:30.15SentryIIIAnd to do that I need more videos :o
03:30.18Mexa|AfkBitwhich had more views :(
03:30.40onetwowell
03:30.43onetwoif you want factual info
03:30.49onetwoi have 800,000+ total views
03:30.53onetworelative consistent viewership
03:30.54SentryIIIOn my old account, youtube keeps asking me to apply for a partnership
03:30.57onetwohave been uploading for a year
03:31.04SentryIIIExcept, I really don't wanna show off my old account =\
03:31.07onetwoand have been in partnership 'processing' for 6+ months
03:31.21onetwowith no result
03:31.35SentryIIILink?
03:31.58onetwoto what?
03:32.04SentryIIIyour channel :)
03:32.14onetwoyoutube.com/onetwosc
03:32.18onetwoi thought people knew that
03:32.21onetwoam i that out of touch
03:32.34JademusSregThe problem I have with much of Torley Wong's stuff is that it sounds like it was just composed in Fruity Loops and then decided it was finished. Like it has potential, and would be useful in mixing, but by itself, it just feels incomplete. =)
03:32.40SentryIIIAccept friend request :>
03:33.23SentryIIIDefinitely, most of his music sounds like background music, which just so happens to be what I need
03:35.08JademusSregI have trouble recalling, can struct memebers be initialized inside the struct?
03:35.28JademusSreg*members
03:35.40SentryIIIYes
03:36.06Mexa|AfkBitIn galaxy?
03:36.12JademusSregYes, in galaxy.
03:36.30Mexa|AfkBitI was sure they couldn't
03:36.43JademusSregGuess I'll pop in and try it.
03:36.45SentryIIIJust some things you cant really change like Units which stay as "No Unit"
03:37.15Mexa|AfkBitOh sentry, you're talking about gui though?
03:37.26JademusSregAll GUI variables are initialized by functions, in the generated mapscript.
03:37.29SentryIIII would think its both
03:37.40Mexa|AfkBitIt doesn't work the same at all
03:37.45SentryIIIboooo
03:37.56JademusSregMexa is correct.
03:38.00JademusSregUnfortunately.
03:38.01AlphA_VsTsigh
03:38.06Mexa|AfkBityup
03:38.22SentryIIII just don't feel like opening up galaxy
03:38.26JademusSregNo problem, just means more lines of code, not by much.
03:39.05Mexa|AfkBitStill, it would be convenient:P
03:39.38JademusSregI'm refactoring like a motherfucker; the code has become unbearable, and I'm redesigning several features, so I've got no option but the pave over the jungle and build a suburb.
03:40.38Mexa|AfkBitJade, onetwo, and deaod, would you kindly accept my friend request on youtube:P?
03:40.46JademusSregSure.
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03:41.26JademusSregI'm almost embarrassed by Identificationary now. =D
03:41.42Mexa|AfkBitLol, never mind
03:42.00JademusSregApproved.
03:42.16Mexa|AfkBitGreat, thanks
03:42.18SentryIIIMine too :>
03:42.37Mexa|AfkBitSentry, I already thought we were friends, but I was wrong :v
03:42.45JademusSregHaha.
03:42.54SentryIIIWe are :|
03:43.13JademusSregWho is this? http://www.youtube.com/user/sbgalt
03:43.23Mexa|AfkBitSentry, you aren't showing
03:43.23JademusSregI had a friend request from this person I didn't even notice.
03:43.39Mexa|AfkBitsbgalt
03:43.54Mexa|AfkBitWas subscribing on me, and asked on friend request
03:44.07SentryIIIApparently he sent an sc2 video to me, but that's really it
03:44.14Mexa|AfkBitI figured he is a sc2 fan, making sc2 music
03:44.22Mexa|AfkBitor something
03:44.29Mexa|AfkBitOr just music with sc2 videos
03:45.09Mexa|AfkBitOhhyeah, you are showing Sentry
03:45.20Mexa|AfkBitI forgot the name of your channel:P
03:45.37SentryIIIo.o
03:45.54Mexa|AfkBitDurr.. I should fix my channel some time. It looks more or less stupid
03:46.07JademusSregDon't worry.
03:46.12JademusSregMine always looks stupid.
03:46.58Mexa|AfkBitSentry, I am friend with you, but you're not friend with me :v?
03:47.05Mexa|AfkBit*I'm
03:47.10SentryIIIIt works both ways
03:47.45SentryIIISo if you accept my friend request, we're both on each others lists
03:47.56Mexa|AfkBitI haven't gotten any
03:48.01SentryIIIIf I were to click remove friend, we're both removed from each other's list
03:48.04Mexa|AfkBitAnd I also send you a friend request a while back
03:48.16Mexa|AfkBit*t
03:48.28SentryIIIDoesn't matter, we're already on each other's friend list
03:48.37JademusSregWakka wakka
03:48.49Mexa|AfkBitOkedoke, I just didn't find me on your channel
03:49.16JademusSregAnyone suppose there is something which blocks mods with music in them or am I just doing it wrong?
03:49.33Mexa|AfkBithm?
03:49.58Mexa|AfkBitI've seen custom music imported, it shouldn't be a problem
03:50.09Mexa|AfkBitAnd afaIk, Blizzard mods contain music
03:50.31Mexa|AfkBitSo you're probably doing it wrong, but don't ask me how:p
03:50.37JademusSregEarlier today, I was experimenting with mods to see if I would be able to use mods to carry the music I wanted to use in Photon Cycles, and the upload failed repeatedly without explanation.
03:50.56Mexa|AfkBitSize limit perhaps?
03:51.03Mexa|AfkBitOr timeout
03:51.04JademusSregBtw, Mexa, I've made minor updates, but EU people might like to wait for the next major update.
03:51.10JademusSregNaw, size limit is good.
03:51.11Mexa|AfkBitFair enough
03:51.19JademusSregSee, I don't like the sound of a time out.
03:51.19Mexa|AfkBitWhat about your connection speed?
03:51.33JademusSregDecent, not great, but not bad.
03:51.39JademusSregServicable.
03:51.56Mexa|AfkBitI know that people seem to get timeout and the upload will fail if it takes to long to publish it
03:52.09Mexa|AfkBiteg, your upload speed is too small
03:52.33Mexa|AfkBitMight have some relevance
03:52.44JademusSregYes, but that is obnoxious and annoying, I must say.
03:52.56Mexa|AfkBitIt is.
03:53.29JademusSregAnyway, in light of these circumstances, I won't be able to include music in my map for some time.
03:53.54Mexa|AfkBitWell, considering that sound is often what causing the drama due to it's size
03:54.09Mexa|AfkBitAw, kay
03:54.31JademusSregSuch nice tracks, too.
03:54.56Mexa|AfkBitDue to the upload fail or was it something else?
03:55.05JademusSregUpload fail.
03:55.10Mexa|AfkBitAlright
03:55.13JademusSregFail in nice red letters.
03:55.20Mexa|AfkBitYou could let the EU people enjoy it:P
03:55.29Mexa|AfkBitI have a fast connection speed, fortunantly
03:55.37JademusSregInteresting.
03:56.00Mexa|AfkBitIf it is now the timeout which is causing the issue.
03:56.47JademusSregHm, well, it's an option we can explore after this major update.
03:57.16JademusSregI have concerns about eating up for space, so I am hesitant.
03:57.20JademusSreg*your space
03:58.35Mexa|AfkBitAlright
03:58.42Mexa|AfkBitIt will be fine for some time though:)
03:58.57JademusSregBasically, I'm redoing victory stuff entirely, it will all be selected in game by vote.
03:59.27JademusSregPlayers will also be able to configure mouse sensitivity, choose vehicles, and vote on options.
03:59.44JademusSregTaking shitty lobby options completely out with this release.
04:00.15JademusSregSo it might be a few weeks for this one.
04:02.13Mexa|AfkBitOh
04:02.14AlphA_VsTlol
04:02.25Mexa|AfkBitSounds some great enhancements
04:02.30Mexa|AfkBit*like
04:02.45Mexa|AfkBitYou know what you should do?
04:02.54JademusSreg?
04:03.20Mexa|AfkBitYou should add a piece of music, then play it... and then exploit the bug which continues playing the music in the b.net menus.
04:03.22Mexa|AfkBit:P
04:03.30JademusSregHah.
04:03.44Mexa|AfkBitI know Mafia does that
04:03.59JademusSregI could maybe fit 2 tracks into my map.
04:04.07JademusSregWould be funny.
04:04.38Mexa|AfkBitsomewhat, yup
04:05.54Mexa|AfkBit.. I should rpobably go folks. The sun is already up outside
04:06.04JademusSregI'll be going as well.
04:06.13JademusSregTired as hell.
04:06.14Mexa|AfkBitAnd I was supposingly going to take the train homehome in a couple of hours
04:06.17Mexa|AfkBitYeah
04:06.20Mexa|AfkBitme too:P
04:06.24JademusSregGood luck Mexa.
04:06.44Mexa|AfkBitThanks, but that will probably be delayed a couple of more hours added ontop
04:07.00Mexa|AfkBitBetter to get some sleep
04:07.06Mexa|AfkBitGoodnight anyways
04:07.44JademusSregLater.
04:08.52SentryIIISleep?
04:08.56SentryIIII have to work :|
04:09.01Mexa|Sleep:\
04:09.45Mexa|SleepCan't mess up my hours any longer
04:09.52Mexa|SleepIt will be like, 5 hours sleep
04:10.07Mexa|SleepI'm sure it's worse than work
04:10.10Mexa|Sleep:>
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04:41.21AlphA_VsTYAY!
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04:54.10AlphA_VsT0.o so quite in here
05:04.15AlphA_VsTim getting my map ready for more than one player :D
05:04.19AlphA_VsTalmost ready to test
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05:37.34Nash|327pew
05:37.46Nash|327TO THE BATTLENET
05:39.41Nash|327join me in zerg killin :G
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05:53.23AlphA_VsTlol
05:53.27AlphA_VsTNash|327
05:53.31AlphA_VsTits bed time :P
05:53.40AlphA_VsTi get to test my new map in the morning though weeee
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06:16.53AlphA_VsTthats so fuckign perfect
06:16.56AlphA_VsTOMG
06:17.19AlphA_VsTjust need to create the map layout now haha
06:22.45AlphA_VsTFUCK YAY!
06:22.48AlphA_VsTgoodnight
06:23.00AlphA_VsTi jsut owned him hard
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06:44.38tsoupanyone know how to remove alerts?
06:44.47tsouplike under attack pings?
06:45.12tsouptried changing them under the alerts tab
06:45.16tsoupto hidden
06:45.19tsoupand no ping
06:45.22tsoupbut doesn't work at all
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07:52.20Helral|afkanyone got suggestions for my target display? ;p http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13276752/UI_in_development.png
07:52.31Helral|afkthe panel just below the menubar :)
07:59.58Mexa|Sleep_omg
08:00.13Mexa|Sleep_Is that windows xp in performance optimization style mode?
08:01.09Mexa|Sleep_Helral|Afk, what about the overall UI? Is it always brownish?
08:01.31Mexa|Sleep_thhinking about the buttons and so on
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08:10.27Helral|afkthat's just zerg ;p
08:11.19Mexa|Sleep_yeah
08:11.26Helral|afknot certain yet if I'll make my UI race dependent, so that you can choose your UI on the startingscreen.
08:11.27Mexa|Sleep_Will it keep that way?
08:11.36Mexa|Sleep_mkay
08:12.05Mexa|Sleep_The infotip window and frame around the minimap would look more "stylepure"
08:12.18Mexa|Sleep_If you took the helppanel frames for instance
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08:12.27Mexa|Sleep_Did I get that understanable <.<?
08:13.00Mexa|Sleep_Hmm
08:13.01Mexa|Sleep_wait
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08:14.08Helral|afkI could use the same border for the Target Info panel, as I did for the minimap panel ;p
08:14.36Mexa|Sleep_oh yeah, that could work
08:14.42Mexa|Sleep_Not what I meant actually
08:14.50Helral|afkjust need to figure out how to make that race dependant ;p
08:14.56Mexa|Sleep_Oh
08:15.01Mexa|Sleep_It shouldn't be too hard
08:15.06Helral|afkcause the minmap border is race dependant (done with SC2Layout) ;p
08:15.21Mexa|Sleep_I think there's code support to check the race of the player
08:15.30Mexa|Sleep_Oh wait
08:15.33Mexa|Sleep_Yeah
08:15.33Helral|afkI want to avoid that kind of hassle ;p
08:15.41Mexa|Sleep_meh:P
08:15.53Mexa|Sleep_Then you are out of luck I guess
08:16.29Mexa|Sleep_The infopanel is made by dialogs tho, right?
08:16.40Helral|afkwonder if I can customcode it to @@UI/RevealPanelBorder ;p
08:17.01Mexa|Sleep_or rather, what is custom dialogs of what you have there?
08:17.45Helral|afkthe TargetInfoPanel is dialog based, the hp bar is dialog based and the info next to the minimap is dialog based.
08:18.10Mexa|Sleep_ah
08:18.28Mexa|Sleep_So, btw, the minimap panel, is it changing depending on race automatically?
08:18.35Helral|afkyup.
08:18.43Helral|afkit's layout based the minimap panel ;p
08:19.04Mexa|Sleep_Yeah, I don't know how those things work just yet:>
08:19.11Mexa|Sleep_Anyway
08:19.29Mexa|Sleep_If you already made those other by dialogs, why would it be a problem to set it per race?
08:20.23Helral|afkthose others don't use background images ;p
08:20.23Clordlol
08:20.30Helral|afkthis one does.
08:21.00Clordthey did tons of things with layouts
08:21.18Clordpretty sure those between mission interfaces etc just use layouts
08:22.05Mexa|Sleep_Helral, what do you mean?
08:22.18Mexa|Sleep_The infopanel, what is it doing then
08:22.43Mexa|Sleep_Clord, it could be either way
08:23.49Helral|afkMexa|Sleep_: in the top-left corner, is 1 dialog with background. topcenter is dialog without bg, topright, next to minimap is dialog without bg.
08:23.52Mexa|Sleep_I might just be offtrack due to solely 2hours of sleep, but what do you mean that the infopanel isn't using images?
08:24.10Clordactually.. between missions stuff is done with editor
08:24.14Clordthose things are triggered
08:24.23Helral|afkmy TargetInfoPanel is the only one using dialog-based image.
08:24.29Clordthey just didn't gave us full access to their stuff
08:24.30Helral|afkbg image*
08:24.32Mexa|Sleep_Clord, so , yes.
08:24.36Mexa|Sleep_Meh
08:24.51Clordthere is tons useless triggers for us what only blizzard campaign makers can use
08:24.51ClordXD
08:24.52Mexa|Sleep_If you look at the campaign maps
08:24.55Mexa|Sleep_You get access
08:25.00Mexa|Sleep_Of everything they are using
08:25.24Mexa|Sleep_oh you mean that..
08:25.42Clordfacepalm.. between the missions like.. pay for new mercenary types etc
08:25.46Clorddo research etc etc
08:25.53Mexa|Sleep_Helral
08:26.10Mexa|Sleep_hm
08:26.10Mexa|Sleep_<.<
08:27.21Mexa|Sleep_Again, uhm, why was there a problem in making a custom help function which can decide out of a string and a player what image the dialog will get?
08:27.33Mexa|Sleep_I guess I forgot the issue in the first placce
08:27.59Mexa|Sleep_My brain is not sharp today :7
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08:29.14ClordTStory1.sc2map
08:29.16Clordnice
08:30.20Clordlongest trigger loading than ever before
08:30.21Clordlol
08:30.28Helral|afkhttp://dl.dropbox.com/u/13276752/UI_in_development.png <-- does that look better then as Target Info background?
08:30.30Clordtook like over minute almost
08:30.53Helral|afkgot it race dependant without much of a hassle ;p
08:31.56Helral|afkI just created an image frame template in a SC2Layout file, and used that in my trigger as the template for the background image :)
08:32.54Mexa|Sleep_okay, that's nice. I'll come back and ask when I get better on Sc2layouts .-.
08:33.11Helral|afk:)
08:33.15Clordblizzard is such tease.. they let to look how they did between the mission stuff via editor but has locked all ways to edit
08:33.38Clordplus there is again tons of commands we can't even use lol
08:33.48Mexa|Sleep_Clord, or... you can export and reimport it to your map, and change it as you like.
08:33.48Helral|afklol like? ;p
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08:34.13Clordthey greyed out new command
08:34.19Clordthey also disabled editing of existing commands
08:34.35Mexa|Sleep_Reimport
08:34.40Mexa|Sleep_Export library first
08:35.05Mexa|Sleep_What am I saying
08:35.10Mexa|Sleep_wait
08:35.17Helral|WorkMexa|Sleep_: dunno, what are you saying?
08:35.42Mexa|Sleep_I'm getting there.. in a moment
08:41.09Mexa|Sleep_oh you trigger libs...
08:41.12Mexa|Sleep_So slow
08:41.26Mexa|Sleep_Must be one of the slowest things in the editor to load and work with
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08:42.14burne-hello
08:42.17burne-what a bad day again
08:42.18burne-:()
08:42.25Mexa|Sleep_Clord
08:42.48Helral|Workmeow?
08:43.09Helral|afkmeeoow
08:43.48Mexa|Sleep_Nyan cat?
08:43.52Mexa|Sleep_Clord, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2757798/CampaignLib.SC2Lib
08:44.00Helral|Worknyyaaaa
08:44.09Helral|afkmeow?
08:44.16Helral|Worknyyaaann
08:44.27ClordI don't really have much use for that stuff anyways.. I was mostly wondering
08:44.32Helral|afkmeeoww?
08:44.39Mexa|Sleep_Clord, well, that is the key to modifying
08:44.43Mexa|Sleep_Reimporting it to your map
08:44.45Mexa|Sleep_Now you know
08:44.46Helral|Workis one bored cat
08:44.58Mexa|Sleep_Helral, should I cheer you up?
08:45.08Helral|Workhow?
08:45.13Clordbut what the heck
08:45.23Clorddownloading if I have use for it somepoint XD
08:45.51Clordlol Age of Empire Online
08:45.53burne-then helral do some work!
08:46.02Clordthey try to capitalize their most successful game in that series
08:46.05Mexa|Sleep_Clord, it is possible to do what I did on your own too:>
08:46.07Clordage of empires II
08:46.20Mexa|Sleep_... fuu internet
08:46.21Mexa|Sleep_I can't go to any site
08:46.36Mexa|Sleep_capped at 1kb/s
08:46.36Mexa|Sleep_Wonderful
08:47.10Clordmust suck to have limit
08:47.18ClordFinland entire limit thing is alien for us
08:47.19ClordXD
08:47.21Clordin
08:47.24Mexa|Sleep_Brb, dissconnecting the computer, should be back in just a few seconds
08:48.06Clordthen again... companies here finland knows that we are ready to pay more by default not to have such limit >_>
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08:48.14Mexa|SleepThere we go
08:48.51Mexa|SleepClord, yeah well, the cap is something strange. I have 10/10mbit otherwise, but sometimes my router denies my laptop and caps the conncetion speed
08:48.57Clordsome countries can't handle uncapped connections very well yet
08:49.11Clordnice
08:49.15Mexa|SleepEither it is being ddosattacked or it is just freaking out on my wifi
08:49.29Clordhere is ADSL 8/1 XD but it can download 24/7... entire month without that it hits the wall
08:49.35Mexa|SleepBut disconnecting from the network and then connecting again works
08:49.51Mexa|SleepNice
08:50.00Mexa|SleepBut I have no wall limit either :3
08:50.19Clordwell... some companies around the world.... kills connections almost totally if their automatic systems or otherwise suspects that you do something "illegal" with it
08:50.21Mexa|SleepAnd I suspect we are neighbours now.
08:50.54Clordas it is way more cost effective than try to waste money
08:51.49Clordthen there is those companies whatever what attack against torrent sites keepers with intention to trying to cut head off from problem
08:51.55Clordbut piratism is like Hydra
08:51.58Clordthere is always more heads
08:52.00ClordXD
08:52.39Clordyeah...
08:52.47Clordyou could probably tell them that stop suspecting you lol
08:52.47Mexa|Sleeplol
08:53.09Mexa|SleepOh, they aren't suspecting me
08:53.34Mexa|SleepHelral http://www.prguitarman.com/index.php?id=348
08:53.43Mexa|SleepThat's you Nyan dose of the day
08:53.46Mexa|Sleep*your
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08:55.21Mexa|SleepClord, so you're in Finland huh?
08:57.06Clordwell duh ^^ here is finland so what you think
08:57.07Clordlol
08:57.20Mexa|Sleeplol
08:57.24Mexa|SleepI am tired
08:57.27Mexa|SleepForget about me
08:57.44burne-is clord from findland
08:57.46burne-?
08:57.48Mexa|SleepAnyways, Sweden here so heyo
08:58.07Mexa|SleepHi burne-
08:58.14burne-hi
09:01.31burne-Guess waht
09:02.50burne-well you all are no  fun
09:03.41Mexa|SleepI was getting idling some tsl3 :/
09:04.17Mexa|SleepAnd I must also pack, since I am taking the train homehome for some time today
09:04.27Mexa|SleepIf only I weren't so tired
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09:26.18Mexa|SleepGENIOUS... Iw ill buy my trainfood at the school cafeteria
09:26.36Mexa|SleepSo long, store so very far away
09:26.37Helral|Workmeow?
09:26.45Mexa|Sleeprawr!
09:26.58Helral|Work~seen Shawn|Rawr
09:27.06purlshawn|rawr <46b9a332@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.185.163.50> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 7d 9h 18m 27s ago, saying: 'Turbo boobies?'.
09:27.17Mexa|Sleeploluhuh
09:27.30Helral|Workor didnb't you mean him?
09:27.34Helral|Workdidn't*
09:27.49Mexa|SleepI replied on your meow
09:27.53Mexa|Sleepofftopicly
09:27.56Mexa|Sleep<.<
09:27.59Helral|Workmeow?
09:27.59Mexa|SleepOr something
09:28.28Mexa|SleepIs that what nyan cats say when they are confused?
09:28.46Helral|Workmeow?
09:28.47Kuekenwoof
09:29.03Helral|Workaims the gardenhose at the dog.
09:29.04Mexa|Sleepsqueech
09:29.16Mexa|SleepI mean afkbit
09:29.43Kuekencheep
09:29.51Helral|Workwhat?
09:30.25Helral|Workbtw did you see my new UI yet? ( http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13276752/UI_in_development.png )
09:31.14Kuekenhm, I can hardly see the change to the standard UI
09:31.16A1winlooks cluttered :3
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09:34.57Mexa|AfkBitgotta admit that though
09:35.10Mexa|AfkBitIt does seem messingly put together, abit
09:35.38Helral|Workguess it shows that I'm not an UI developer ;p
09:35.39Mexa|AfkBitNot as worse as all cluttered mmorpgs though.
09:36.44Mexa|AfkBitWell, it somewhat needs to be aligned better to look cleaner
09:36.54A1winit feels unbalanced
09:36.54Mexa|AfkBitCan't say whether I am any better at it though.
09:37.02A1winand the fonts just look bad :P
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09:37.11Helral|Workdidn't work on the fonts yet ;p
09:37.23Helral|Workhad some nice fonts setup in beta though....
09:37.36Mexa|AfkBitThe fonts are the standard ones though, right?
09:37.36Helral|Workwell styles not fonts.
09:37.39Helral|Workyup
09:37.55Mexa|AfkBitI bet they look worse due to the picture compression
09:38.07A1winand low resolution
09:38.13Mexa|AfkBityeah
09:38.38Mexa|AfkBitSo Helral, you're really at a windows xp computer?
09:38.41A1winthe stats in the bottom left corner don't seem to fit there
09:38.58Helral|Worknope it's on windows 7 ;p
09:39.02Mexa|AfkBitoh
09:39.03Mexa|AfkBitlol
09:39.06Helral|WorkI just use the classic theme
09:39.13Mexa|AfkBitWhy the retro?
09:39.20Mexa|AfkBitor classic
09:39.43Mexa|AfkBitI have a feeling of unmodernism whenever I see that:p
09:39.44Helral|Workthe other themes use too much memory in my opinion ;p
09:39.55Mexa|AfkBitLol, true though
09:40.02Helral|WorkI don't really much care about looks myself ;p
09:40.11Mexa|AfkBitIf I use the full windows 7 theme, and put on a second display
09:40.20A1winyeah we can see that looking at that UI :P
09:40.21Mexa|AfkBitAfter a while it will change to windows 7's basic one
09:40.29Helral|Workhehehe
09:40.34Mexa|AfkBitDue to it overexceeding the memory limit of what it is allowed
09:41.19Mexa|AfkBitBut frustrating whenever it does it, since it will not give me any option
09:41.24Mexa|AfkBitKeeping it basic all the time now though
09:41.48Mexa|AfkBitYeah though Helral, the grayish color will somewhat make everything boring
09:42.02Mexa|AfkBitBut that's just me:>
09:42.07A1winmove your health and XP bar closer to each other, no reason to keep too similar elements so far away
09:42.25Helral|Workonly added the xpbar last week ;p
09:42.30A1winor make them look different
09:42.43A1winwhat's with the zealot buttons at the right?
09:42.46A1winitems?
09:42.47Mexa|AfkBit.. now to explore the mysteries of the lost mobile phone.
09:43.23Helral|Worknope tips ;p
09:43.26A1winoh
09:43.37Helral|Workneed to create icons for those still
09:43.48Helral|Workone is about movement, other is about the camera.
09:43.51Mexa|AfkBitaw, what a disappointment. They were right in my trousers.
09:43.58A1win:P
09:44.12Mexa|AfkBit*it
09:44.20A1winnext time you need to get more drunk to make it more interesting
09:44.27Mexa|AfkBitLol
09:44.31Mexa|AfkBitProbably
09:44.43Mexa|AfkBitThen again, I can leave stuff behind me at very unlike places
09:45.07Mexa|AfkBitI'm a pretty absent guy
09:45.08Mexa|AfkBitLol
09:45.20Helral|Workso basicly you can ginore the zealot images, and the bnet friends thingy that you see in the image ;p
09:45.24Helral|Workignore*
09:45.58Mexa|AfkBitThere is a way to move the friends button though, right?
09:46.03Helral|Workyup
09:46.11Helral|Workbut it won't display it's effect in single player ;p
09:46.16Mexa|AfkBitoh
09:46.24Mexa|AfkBitTricky
09:46.31Helral|Workneed to privately publish to check ;p
09:46.55Mexa|AfkBitSpeaking of which, I now realise your overused smiley
09:46.56Mexa|AfkBitEver
09:47.05A1winmeh now you made me want to make a nonlinear progressively generated map
09:47.11Helral|Workowyeah I do overuse my smiley a lot ;p
09:47.26Mexa|AfkBitheh
09:47.33Helral|WorkI'm just that kinda silly guy
09:47.37Helral|Workuhm I mean cat
09:47.39Helral|Work;p
09:47.40Helral|Work:)
09:47.43Helral|Workmeows
09:48.22Mexa|AfkBitlol
09:48.58Mexa|AfkBitAfkBit status: Onwards
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10:16.20Dekarwow~
10:27.01Dekargom plays david garrett all the time xD
10:32.33Helral|Workmeow?
10:39.37Kuekenhuba
10:43.19Mexa|AfkBitwobba
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11:14.47Mexa|AfkBitSeeya later
11:52.04Nash|327find out if the cake is a lie soon :G
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12:21.52Dekarsoo
12:22.44Dekarcan i attach multiple turret models to a unit, store them in a variable and make them play attack animations later?
12:23.16Dekarhow do i do that :3
12:24.03Dekarhmm
12:24.27Dekarbetter make them units too
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12:31.56burne-back again
12:32.01burne-im so super stressed again
12:32.04burne-what a horrible day
12:34.36blub_phew
12:34.41blub_done with loads of work
12:34.46blub_finally SOME free time
12:35.06blub_burne-: I see you're busy as well hehe
12:36.51burne-hmmmm
12:36.59burne-I just realized something again
12:37.11burne-have to test it
12:37.21burne-working with wasd still :(
12:43.03DustinWe've been over this, you're working with hotkeyed abilities not WASD!
12:45.28burne-gheez
12:45.32burne-you know what i mean
12:45.40burne-dont spoil the fun for me
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12:47.25nodgenehere lads, is there any way to make a water piece not snap to the grid?
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13:15.55blub_anyone care to take a look at my portal-map tech-demo?
13:18.44blub_alker
13:18.47blub_ah
13:18.48blub_wrong window
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13:22.47blub_burne-: got some time to take a look? ^^
13:23.01burne-in 5- 10 mins
13:23.20blub_I'd actually need a tester xD though not everything's done yet
13:23.29blub_far from it, but it's still cool XD
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13:27.02Obatztrarablub if you need a tester on EU i can come. too lazy ti fix stuff right now ;)
13:27.26Obatztrarablub_
13:28.27blub_Obatztrara: okay =)
13:28.34blub_Obatztrara: sc2mapster ingame channel?
13:28.38Obatztraray
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13:32.46burne-blub_ im ready
13:36.29blub_burne-: ^^
13:36.37blub_burne-: too late xD
13:36.40blub_burne-: already got stuff to fix :P
13:36.49burne-kk
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13:43.45Obatztrarasorry blub_
13:43.48Obatztraratechnical problem
13:43.49blub_Obatztrara: np
13:43.59blub_Obatztrara: fixed the mixup in the triggers now
13:44.09Obatztraraalrighht >:)
13:57.07Hatisure thing ... student passes GDC europe 550€
14:00.19burne-FFFFFUUUUUUCK
14:00.23burne-cant save fikle
14:00.29burne-dont know what is wrong
14:00.34burne-it doesnt say specific
14:00.46burne-something with ObjectStrings.txt
14:00.48burne-wtf does that mean
14:01.52burne-RFOl
14:01.54burne-ROFL
14:01.58burne-NICE EDITOR :DDDD
14:03.23burne-http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/2058/wasddasd.jpg
14:03.27burne-WTF JUST HAPPENED? :DDD
14:05.08blub_locale screwup
14:05.17burne-can i fix it somehow?
14:07.30Kuekentry the localizer
14:07.44burne-where is that?
14:07.54Kuekenmapster -> search -> localizer
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14:10.32burne--_-
14:10.33burne-I wonder what caused that
14:11.21burne-pfff
14:11.34burne-didnt seem to work
14:11.47burne-i guess ill have to get my backup file (dunno how much work i lost tought :(
14:27.22blub_burne-: must be fixable somehow tho
14:27.55Kuekenlook at your maps archive
14:28.02Kuekensearch for the text files
14:28.11Kuekengamestrings.txt
14:28.16Kuekenif its still there
14:29.44burne-i just used my backup file
14:29.47burne-didnt lose anything
14:29.58burne-since i could copy some of the triggers from broken file
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14:37.55burne-everybody look to the left...
14:38.07Dekarlooks up
14:38.24Dekarsees a flying cat
14:39.27blub_burne-: wanna take a look now? ^^
14:39.32blub_burne-: or busy with your map
14:39.38burne-rofl just logged off from bnet
14:39.38burne-:D
14:39.40burne-nice timing!
14:39.46burne-in 10 mins pls
14:39.51burne-im again fine adjusting
14:39.57burne-cant get it quite right tough
14:39.58burne-:(
14:40.08blub_it will never be right :P
14:40.12blub_it's an RTS
14:40.16blub_:D
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14:40.19burne-it shall be!
14:47.17burne-ok
14:47.17burne-done
14:47.20burne-blub_ done
14:47.55blub_ok
14:48.08blub_logging in
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15:42.09nodgenelads, anyone der?
15:42.18JademusSreg?
15:42.29nodgeneaha
15:42.32nodgenein theory
15:42.34nodgenedo you know
15:42.53nodgenehow to make it so that an animation effect like an explosion lasts a shorter amount of time?
15:43.00JademusSregYes.
15:43.04nodgeneI'm working with the supernova ability from the final mission
15:43.11nodgenebut I want it to only last a brief moment
15:43.13JademusSregGo to the model data and change the animation from -1.
15:43.20nodgeneto say 1 or 2
15:43.29JademusSregErm, from 1.
15:43.37JademusSregAnimation Speed is the factor.
15:43.51nodgeneexplain?
15:44.13JademusSregIn the model data, there are is a value called Animation Speed.
15:44.28JademusSregThe default Animation Speed is 1.
15:44.29nodgeneright browsing now
15:44.50nodgeneokay gotcha
15:44.57nodgeneselected the shockwave model
15:45.00JademusSregTinker with that. =)
15:45.02nodgeneanimation speed 1.0
15:45.19nodgenethanks!
15:45.27JademusSregNo problem.
15:45.50nodgeneis there not a duration value?  Though?  Or is it all calculated via speed?
15:46.04nodgeneor is duration handled by the actors or somethuing?
15:46.42JademusSregI suppose you could modify a specific animation speed using the Events field array.
15:47.00JademusSregWhich is to say, if you check, you'll see it has a Time field.
15:47.22JademusSregSo it probably lets you set durations for specific animations.
15:48.38nodgenewhere is this?
15:48.49JademusSregEvents field array.
15:48.50nodgeneI have access to the actor and model objects here
15:48.54JademusSregLooks like Events +
15:48.54nodgenein actor?
15:48.59JademusSregNope, in model.
15:49.06nodgenesure
15:49.07JademusSregModels have their own kind of events.
15:49.52nodgeneevents time, ooh
15:49.56JademusSregYup.
15:50.10nodgeneso is this the duration I could set?
15:50.59nodgeneSorry if I'm being a bit dense about this, completely new to it.
15:51.13JademusSregI think it is.
15:51.23JademusSregI remember seeing it used as such.
15:51.23nodgenelet's add a number and test!
15:51.27nodgenesay... 2 seconds
15:51.31nodgenebrb
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15:56.42nodgenethis isn't quite working
15:56.54nodgenemay just change the visual effect to something less super-amazing
16:04.51nodgenehaha
16:04.57nodgenescaling it worked, gademussreg
16:04.58nodgeneoops
16:05.02nodgenejademussreg
16:05.07JademusSregHah.
16:05.20nodgeneachieved a reasonable result close to what I wanted
16:05.26nodgenemay speed up the animation though
16:08.18nodgeneyeah that improved it
16:08.30nodgeneability's called "firebat's shoes" makes mini energy nova explosion :D
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16:10.38AlphA_VsTrawr
16:10.43nodgeneoh hi
16:10.50AlphA_VsTmorning :D
16:10.55nodgenehow's tings?
16:11.19AlphA_VsTawesome im going to single test my map on bnet
16:11.35nodgeneI'm working on new abilities
16:11.35nodgenefair enough
16:11.58nodgenealthougn need to get back to making a list of triggers, instead of my massive elseif statement trigger which lags :|
16:12.46JademusSregI've been doing some speed tests.
16:13.02AlphA_VsTJademusSreg, thats what im doing a speed test really
16:13.35blub_yay, soon my portal map is ready for portals of multiple players XD
16:13.36grim001jademus, speaking of speed, you could make the bikes in your map move a lot faster if you used some fancy math for collision checking.
16:13.52Dustin|LappyGogo math!
16:14.30nodgeneyeo
16:14.31AlphA_VsTOMG YES
16:14.37JademusSregFrom fastest to slowest, Global > Constant > Struct > Local
16:14.50JademusSregBut the differences are so small as to almost be non existent.
16:14.56AlphA_VsTcan someone on us help me test really fast
16:15.02blub_grim001, JademusSreg: if you need "fancy collision checking" math - I have a trace function which traces ahead and returns the point furthest away that can be reached in a straight line
16:15.15blub_just thought I'd mention it again :D
16:15.22blub_it can be useful in a variety of situations
16:15.27JademusSregI'm surprised that operations with a global would be faster than a constant.
16:15.37AlphA_VsTlol
16:15.43Kuekenfor real?
16:15.43JademusSregThere are all get operations, though.
16:15.54AlphA_VsTJademusSreg, help me test something really fast?
16:16.02blub_how did you benchmark that stuff?
16:16.08grim001well, you really wouldn't need fancy math, you'd just need multisampling which is much easier to implement.
16:16.18superdougworship the devil
16:16.20grim001and there should be no performance issue with such a small number of objects.
16:16.45JademusSreggrim, you're welcome to do a mock up for me; I have no formal math education worth mentioning.
16:16.56AlphA_VsTlol same :P
16:17.10grim001what method do you currently use to detect collisions?
16:17.12AlphA_VsTsomeone help me test really fast
16:17.15JademusSregKueken, yes, for real. The discrepancy is so small that it doesn't even matter.
16:17.40JademusSregLike a ~3 ms difference over 900000 operations
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16:17.48blub_JademusSreg: how did you benchmark this?
16:17.54JademusSregCrappy debugger.
16:17.55blub_JademusSreg: and, you ARE talking about galaxyscript right?
16:17.58JademusSregYes.
16:18.07JademusSregJust galaxy.
16:18.21JademusSregNo need to append script; we know what we're talking about. =)
16:18.25AlphA_VsTHELP ME TEST SOMETHING SOMEONE PLEASE!!!!!
16:18.26blub_JademusSreg: and the bikes he mentioned are part of a map I presume :P
16:18.33blub_AlphA_VsT: sry can't right now
16:18.36JademusSregYes, Photon Cycles.
16:18.46JademusSregAlph, test what?
16:18.47blub_JademusSreg: still, how do you perform that benchmark?
16:18.56JademusSreg^
16:19.03JademusSreg[12:18:00] <blub_> JademusSreg: how did you benchmark this?
16:19.03JademusSreg[12:18:07] <JademusSreg> Crappy debugger.
16:19.13blub_o.o
16:19.19JademusSregSo it's not the most reliable method.
16:19.21blub_don't really understand that, but well
16:19.21AlphA_VsTi need a multi player test and a check tosee if myvisiuals work liek they should for players
16:19.52grim001jademus, are you using the equivalent of a GroupEnumUnitsInRange native for the collision checks?
16:19.55JademusSregBut there are clear differences; global and constant consistently outperform struct and local.
16:20.01blub_maybe the internal VM uses only operations which work on globals, and the constants are allocated as globals at each operation with a constant? :P
16:20.11blub_xD
16:20.21JademusSregGrim, I'm going something like that, yes, 32 times per game second.
16:20.47grim001The multisampling approach isn't really math based.
16:21.11grim001What you need to do is calculate the farthest distance you can allow a bike to move in 1 tick without risk of clipping through an object.
16:21.16Kueken32 fps in sc2 doesn't work anyway :)
16:21.28grim001Anytime a bike starts moving faster than that, you do multiple collision checks instead of a single collision check.
16:22.16blub_18:21 < grim001> What you need to do is calculate the farthest distance you can allow a bike to move in 1 tick without risk of clipping through an object.
16:22.20blub_has a function for that
16:22.41grim001well you don't really need a function. it will be a constant in his map.
16:22.57nodgenehow do I make a condition for an ability, whereby when the caster has 0 shields?
16:23.04blub_grim001: well, depends
16:23.04nodgenexyz happens
16:23.05blub_I mean
16:24.00blub_if you're simply talking about moving an object forward, then if at the start of the frame the object is too close, it will run through - no constant maximum distance can fix that
16:24.07grim001kueken: sc2 can go up to 48.8 ticks of the scripting engine per second.
16:24.23Kuekeno_0
16:24.33Kuekenthought 16 ticks was maximum
16:24.39blub_on the other hand, if you only move the units few fields per tick, you can use the "point is passable" function on those fields
16:24.43Kuekenand 32 for 0 wait
16:24.43grim001no, and its been discussed in here 1000 times.
16:25.07Kuekengood to know :)
16:25.11grim001blub, i dont think you understand how multisampling works.
16:25.12blub_for longer distances I have a binary-search algorithm =)
16:25.30grim001kueken: it depends on the current gamespeed. fastest makes everything happen 40% faster, including scripting engine ticks for timers and wait.
16:25.39blub_grim001: actually I only got pieces of your suggestions and did something I usually hate when people do it: "assumed the rest" xD
16:25.42grim001blub, that would be far too complicated for not benefit.
16:25.49grim001*no
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16:26.04blub_so I'll just shut up :>
16:26.07Kuekenso 32 fps per gametime second is max which equals 48.8 per realtime sec?
16:26.09Dustin|LappyHmmm
16:26.20grim001kueken: yes, if you are on fastest mode.
16:26.23Dustin|LappyAnyone know how to swap actors on behavior apply for a unit?
16:26.26Kuekenk
16:26.40Kuekenand the only possibility for 32 ticks would be a 0 wait
16:26.41JademusSreg"32 fps per gametime second" wakka wakka
16:26.43Kuekenthis correct?
16:26.51Kuekenye sorry for that ^^
16:26.55JademusSreg=D
16:27.01Kueken"32 ticks per gametime second"
16:27.22grim001kueken: it's 32 ticks per second on a 0 wait at normal speed. 48.8 per second on a 0 wait at fastest speed.
16:27.41Kuekenyes, I usually talk about gametime seconds :)
16:27.54grim001jade, do you already run the map at fastest speed?
16:28.56JademusSregYes.
16:29.04JademusSregLocked and hidden to prevent tampering.
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16:29.22BountyHai guys
16:29.28JademusSregHi
16:29.58blub_JademusSreg: do you happen to know hwo exactly the running-time is limited for triggers - I assume it's a number of operations? and does "Wait" affect that somehow?
16:30.05JademusSregAlph is working on wasd pew pew
16:30.24Bounty?
16:30.41JademusSregblub, I know at least how many operation can run before a wait, left the thread crash.
16:31.14JademusSregAnd that number is around a million, last time I checked.
16:31.25JademusSreg*lest the thread crash
16:31.46JademusSregBut those tests weren't rigorous.
16:32.27JademusSregProbably closer to 2 million, including the checks in the while condition.
16:33.02blub_:)
16:35.14AlphA_VsTmy map just got fucked
16:35.21Bountyy?
16:35.34AlphA_VsTall my triggers names and shit where reset to blank
16:35.41Bountywtf? lol
16:35.43AlphA_VsTand my files are gone
16:35.47Bountyhow?
16:35.52Bountyjust out of nowhere?
16:35.52AlphA_VsTno idea
16:36.02AlphA_VsTyeah my editor crashed
16:36.06AlphA_VsTand bam
16:36.11grim001it's what you get for using the editor at all.
16:36.18grim001you should be using an external program. :P
16:36.29JademusSregAnyway, if anyone whines abou using say a constant over a global or a struct or a local because it's "faster", you have libwerty to tell them to fuck off because the speed difference is at about ~10 ms difference for 900000 operations.
16:36.49JademusSreg"libwerty", best typo of the day.
16:37.07Bountyi agree
16:37.09AlphA_VsTlol
16:37.12Bountybest typo of the day by far
16:37.18Bountysewiously
16:37.25JademusSregHah.
16:37.31Bountywait
16:37.31Bountyno
16:37.33JademusSregFudding up all over this shit.
16:37.39BountySEWIOUSWY
16:37.42Bountythere we go
16:37.52JademusSregHah.
16:39.24BountySo
16:39.30Bountywhat determines the units selection radius
16:39.32Bountythe model?
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16:39.44Bountylike if a model is really big, is that how big his selection box is?
16:39.53JademusSregThought it was the actor and model.
16:40.04Bountyi thought it was just the model lol
16:40.41JademusSregLike scale, I figure its declared in model, and it inherited and can be modified by the actor.
16:41.14Bountyi just wanna make sure the BIG shit u can pick up and use as cover
16:41.20Bountyhas a proper hit box
16:41.30Bountylike if im carrying a fucking truck, you shouldnt be able to shoot through the truck
16:41.31Bounty><
16:41.35JademusSregWell, selection radius and radius aren't the same thing.
16:41.52JademusSregRadius is simply defined in the unit./
16:42.02Bountyyeah but it seems to auto adjust
16:42.10Bountybased on the model sacale
16:42.14Bountyscale*
16:45.08AlphA_VsTanyone up for a real test now that the map isn't corrupted....
16:45.28JademusSregSure. In a few minutes.
16:46.59AlphA_VsTi added re-spawn also cause its like unit dies / custom action (triggering unit) haha :D but yeah
16:48.28JademusSregbrb
16:52.10JademusSregMy daughter awoke, so I'll be away for a few minutes.
16:52.38AlphA_VsTlame
16:52.50AlphA_VsT:D
16:52.53JademusSregIn them eantime, look at this: http://kotaku.com/#!5794248/the-universe-is-beautiful-when-people-arent-trying-to-blow-you-up
16:57.26AlphA_VsTuh huh
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16:59.54JademusSregProcedurally generated galaxies, stars, planets, moons.
17:00.12JademusSregNot as sexy looking as the space MMO in development, Infinity, but servicable.
17:00.44JademusSregWith the Space Engine and Photoshop, you could make some nice backgrounds.
17:01.04AlphA_VsTyeah i saw
17:01.31AlphA_VsTyou could
17:03.06AlphA_VsTMap test now?
17:03.09JademusSregYup.
17:10.29AlphA_VsTFUCKING GRRR
17:10.44AlphA_VsThate multiplayer :D
17:10.58AlphA_VsT<PROTECTED>
17:11.00AlphA_VsThaha
17:11.23AlphA_VsThow i handle movement :D
17:11.38JademusSregI think even if you get it working, it will still be inferior to an entirely scripted key based input, because you can't get multiple movement direction states.
17:11.54JademusSregSo left forward is inaccessible.
17:12.16AlphA_VsTyou will see :D
17:12.43JademusSregOkay. Perhaps you have an ace in the vicinity of a sleeve.
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17:13.25Mexa|HomeHomeEvenin, people
17:13.28JademusSregHi.
17:15.14AlphA_VsTi really need to fix the hiding of a players unit though :(
17:15.23Mexa|HomeHomeI'm sitting outisde the house, on a chair with the laptop.. and the sun is yet on heating :)
17:15.37Mexa|HomeHome*outside
17:15.51SentryIIII watched boxer vs sen for TSL3
17:15.56SentryIIIAwesome :D
17:16.13Mexa|HomeHomeWaitwhat
17:16.26Mexa|HomeHomeThe livestream is already on?
17:16.34Dustin|LappyFuck you Mexa!
17:16.39Dustin|LappyIt's all cloudy here
17:16.43Mexa|HomeHome:3
17:16.44JademusSregHaha.
17:17.09JademusSregHad I known Boxer was playing, I would have watched.
17:17.25AlphA_VsTyou should of said soemthing
17:17.25Mexa|HomeHomeI guess I will watch the VODs later
17:17.31AlphA_VsTgeez
17:17.39Mexa|HomeHomeIt's easter, and I suddenly got to meat the family and cousins.
17:17.44burne-_where ca you even watch those matches
17:17.45Mexa|HomeHome*meet
17:17.55Mexa|HomeHomethe livestream or the vods?
17:18.01burne-_both
17:18.02burne-_:O
17:18.42JademusSregEaster? I don't keep track of these holy day things.
17:19.16Dustin|LappyI only know that cause I get Friday off For Good Friday
17:19.19SentryIIII was watching the vods
17:19.21Dustin|LappyFUck ya 3 day weekend
17:19.27Dustin|LappyMight even call in sick monday
17:19.28Mexa|HomeHomehttp://www.ustream.tv/teamliquidtv for livestream
17:19.33Dustin|Lappy4 day weekend would be niiice
17:19.47SentryIIIWait... it's good friday?
17:19.49Mexa|HomeHomehttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=203014 TSL3 VOD thread
17:19.57Mexa|HomeHomeAll matches are there
17:20.12Dustin|LappyGood Friday tomorrow
17:20.12JademusSregOff air, so it doesn't quite help me. =)
17:20.16Mexa|HomeHomeI know Sreg
17:20.18SentryIIIo shit 1.5x pay :D
17:20.19Mexa|HomeHomeBut when it is
17:20.24Mexa|HomeHomeIt's there¨
17:20.56Dustin|LappyFuck time and a half, Im gonna be sitting at home in my boxers relaxing
17:21.25Mexa|HomeHomeTSL3 Round of 8 - Tune in on April 23rd at 2 p.m. EDT / 8 p.m. CEST for day 1 action!
17:21.48Mexa|HomeHomeAnd Round of 16 is in that vod thread I linked.
17:21.52Mexa|HomeHomeall rounds
17:21.54Mexa|HomeHomefrankly
17:23.00Mexa|HomeHomeBrb, sun is getting mild, gotta get an extra shirt on
17:27.13Mexa|HomeHomeSo... what is up?
17:27.30JademusSregRefactoring.
17:28.06Mexa|HomeHomeoh?
17:28.08Mexa|HomeHomeOld code?
17:28.24JademusSregMost of Photon Cycles code.
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17:31.37BountyAlright so im using the Mengsk Statue Alone Death as a model
17:31.39Bountyand when it dies
17:31.43Bountythe bottom of the statue lingers
17:31.48Bountyanyway to fix that?
17:31.48JademusSregYep.
17:32.27Bountyany idea how to make it vanish and not stick around?
17:32.53AlphA_VsTthis is pissing me off :P
17:33.08JademusSregDestroy the actor, of course. If it's a physics object, I'm not how to deal with it.
17:33.40Bountyyeah but
17:33.42Bountyits a unit
17:33.49Bountyshouldnt the actor be destroyed when it dies?
17:33.49JademusSregRight.
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17:34.26JademusSregBut if you just copied the actor, then perhaps there's a distinct lack of a destroy actor on unit death.
17:34.38JademusSregOr perhaps the Combat Death effect field array spawns a model...
17:43.36MotivePerhaps Jademus is a Sreg.
17:44.00JademusSregPERHAPS.
17:44.03JademusSregHi Motive.
17:44.17MotiveArrr
17:45.26Dustin|LappyJademusSreg, is there a way to swap actors in an actor event
17:45.42JademusSregThere is a way to swap models, definitely.
17:46.15JademusSregTo swap and actor, I know you could fake it by create a new actor and hiding the old one.
17:46.20JademusSreg*To swap an actor
17:46.58JademusSregModelSwap is good for swapping models, though, if that happens to be what you need.
17:48.05JademusSregI'm concerned that just creating a new one from the old one and destroying the old one will destroy the newly created one as well, which is why I didn't suggest that.
17:49.37Dustin|LappyYeah I was using swap models
17:49.50Mexa|HomeHomeBounty, when a unit dies it swaps the model to the death model
17:49.51Dustin|LappyBut it was on a sentry actor and then the stalker doesnt walk, he just slides everywhere :P
17:50.12Mexa|HomeHomeDepending if the unit is affected by the internal physics engine or not, this could have different results
17:50.23Mexa|HomeHomeAnd how long it should stay, specified
17:50.32JademusSregDustin, I've never seen that problem before.
17:50.35MotiveThe solution is simple: give sentries legs.
17:50.41MotiveI've seen that problem before.
17:50.48MotiveThe problem is actors provide the animations for the models, etc
17:50.54Motiveso ModelSwap is kind of a meh solution
17:51.00JademusSregMakes sense.
17:51.03JademusSregOh wait.
17:51.06Dustin|LappyArnet the movement animations controlled from the actor
17:51.11JademusSregYeah, I did have the problem once.
17:51.24JademusSregIt inherits the animations shit from the first, Dustin.
17:51.28Dustin|LappyMaybe I could add in a check to see if the models been swapped, then paly stalker walk animation on move...
17:51.31Dustin|LappyHmmm
17:51.51MotiveBest solution would just be to create a new actor. Lol
17:52.15Dustin|LappyCan I do that from the Original Actor?
17:52.23Dustin|LappyCause it's on a Behavior apply
17:52.38Mexa|HomeHomeOh well
17:52.42Mexa|HomeHomeI'm off to dinner
17:52.44Mexa|HomeHomeLaters
17:52.49Dustin|LappyLata Mexican Dinner
17:52.56Mexa|HomeHomeoh no you didn't
17:52.59Dustin|Lappy;)
17:53.34JademusSregAh, do what morph does.
17:53.55JademusSregTake a look at the actor events for a unit that morphs.
17:54.08JademusSregThat should demonstrate what you need to do.
17:54.11JademusSreg=D
17:54.18Dustin|LappyHmmm good idea
17:55.54MotiveI'm fairly sure a unit that morphs uses ModelSwap
17:56.58Dustin|LappyWish they had a morph that swapped for a unit with no walk animation to a unit with a walk animation
17:57.05Dustin|LappyBe nice to see what to do
17:57.46MotiveThey do
17:57.49MotiveSpine Crawler
17:57.49Motive;)
17:58.00JademusSreg=D
17:58.42MotiveIT CAN CRAWL :D
18:00.16JademusSregFat bastards.
18:03.29Dustin|LappyOh good call!
18:04.04Dustin|LappyThis shit isnt even needed for my map, I jsut thought it'd be cool for units to rank up after a certain ammount of kills and get a new model hehe
18:05.09JademusSregHah.
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18:18.32BountyFUUUUCK
18:18.34Bountythis is such bullshit
18:18.40BountyPSN is going to be down for a day or two
18:18.46Bountyand i was just about to go pick up Mortal Kombat
18:18.58Bountyi swear if its those hackers someone needs to just take those douche bags out lol
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18:32.10burne-_everybody look to the right
18:32.33Dustin|LappyI looked left
18:32.49burne-_mah youtube not workin
18:33.04JademusSreg?
18:35.21burne-_whhat
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18:40.30JademusSregbrb
18:41.31burne-_i wana watch my VODs
18:56.28Dustin|LappyBibendus needs to let me play his Dungeon Keeper map
19:03.15blub_does anyone happen to know if there's a model that i could use for beams like that: http://www.google.at/imgres?imgurl=http://media.pcgamer.com/files/2011/04/a_blue-transit.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/04/19/portal-2-review/&usg=__y9ktyOqORHmE3tXrnWJ67CYqbCE=&h=900&w=1440&sz=848&hl=de&start=69&zoom=1&tbnid=_YBSYYT0XX13aM:&tbnh=131&tbnw=209&ei=XH-wTZutHY_Nswakw-X0Cw&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522portal%2B2%2522%2Bblue%2Bbeam%26hl%3Dde%26biw%3D1278%26bih%
19:03.31blub_ah stupid google links
19:03.35blub_http://media.pcgamer.com/files/2011/04/a_blue-transit.jpg
19:03.43blub_the orange beams
19:04.09blub_basically I'm looking for a beam that isn't cone-shaped, but cylindrical ...
19:04.19blub_and is not the voidray beam because it's too "full"... though I may end up using that
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19:06.07syltmanGuys how does the UnitSetCustomValue work, what is the first and second number?
19:07.05blub_the value ID, and the value itself
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19:07.14blub_it's like an array of floats
19:07.23blub_err "fixed"s :P
19:07.25blub_(or reals)
19:07.36Dustin|LappyOh wow, I didn't know you could do multiple custom values
19:07.38Dustin|LappyNice
19:07.50blub_you may also like the data-table
19:08.01blub_a string->any mapping
19:08.09Dustin|Lappysyltman, CustomValue is usually used in conjuction with a Unit Indexing sytem
19:08.18syltmanaye
19:08.25blub_"usually" hehe
19:08.37blub_I use it for many things :D
19:08.53syltmanthat I know, but err let's say I just wanted to store one number to them how come there are two numbers to fill it
19:08.55syltmanin*
19:09.02blub_I usually have a global-custom-script where I define a bunch of
19:09.09blub_const int c_CV_<something> = <id>;
19:09.20A1winsyltman, the other number is the "name", the ID of the value, it's not something you store
19:09.23blub_to assign IDs to the custom values
19:09.25A1winit just tells you what the value is called
19:09.31Dustin|LappySo you could do like
19:09.38Dustin|LappyUnitCustomValue[1] = 455
19:09.47Dustin|LappyUnitCustomValue[2] = 65
19:09.48Dustin|Lappyetc
19:09.58blub_does anyone happen to know how many there are? :P
19:10.10blub_or is it a dynamic map and I can set customvalue[2934] as well :P
19:10.11Dustin|LappyProbably whatever the max array size is in Galaxy
19:10.14A1winit's probably a dynamic list
19:10.22A1winnot an array
19:10.42blub_well, I use it for any unit-related reals, and for indexing the units
19:10.44A1winwould be silly to create an array of size 1000 if you only used custom value 999 and nothing else
19:11.01blub_and for non-real values I use the datatables with IDs like "/Unit/" + unitid + "/something..."
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19:11.14JademusSregYeah, up to 64 indexes, iirc.
19:11.22JademusSregso index 63.
19:11.38blub_exactly how "local" is the local datatable tho?
19:11.42blub_"mod/map"-local?
19:11.47JademusSregThread local.
19:11.57syltmany and if I don't need an index I can just set it to 0?
19:11.57blub_oh
19:12.03A1winit's like global/local variables
19:12.17A1winsyltman, you always need an index
19:12.20blub_syltman: you make little sense :) you need to know in which index you store the value ^^
19:12.22A1winbut yeah
19:12.28A1winjust use 0 if you only need one index
19:12.30syltmanbecause I just need to store an int to a unit
19:12.34blub_but if you know you only need one value and never any more values
19:12.36blub_then just use 0
19:12.57blub_syltman: I suggest creating some constant integers which map the indices to some nice name
19:12.59JademusSregUse a constant, too.
19:13.06JademusSregYes, as blub said. =D
19:13.13blub_syltman: like, const int CV_SomeValue = 0;
19:13.22blub_and then, in GetCustomValue, you just use CV_SomeValue as index
19:13.23A1winI usually also make actions that set/get something based on the custom value
19:13.33A1winso the only place those values are touched are those 2 actions
19:14.12A1winlike "set unit ID to x" and "get unit ID"
19:15.12blub_that's especially useful if you use datatables ^^ saves lots of write-work
19:15.21A1winmm
19:15.22JademusSregAt least local data tables are thread local and not just function local, which gives it a pretty big scope, considering.
19:15.45A1winoh right, there's a difference ;p
19:16.22Dustin|LappyI remember when that one guy released Perfect Unit Index in WC3, was a sweet day
19:16.46blub_wassat?
19:17.25blub_because I just spent some time on making a unit indexing system earlier >.< (uncluding a stack to reuse freed IDs properly)
19:17.55Dustin|LappyA system that basically was just an array that kept track of open slots and used slots and allocated Unit Indexs based on what slots were free
19:18.09Dustin|LappyIt was exatly that :P
19:18.13blub_:)
19:18.17Dustin|LappyWe need a good one for Galaxy now
19:18.27Dustin|LappyI had written my own internal one for WC3
19:18.28blub_thinking about making a general library with "general" stacks etc
19:19.02blub_I'm using the global datatable for the stack of freed units
19:19.02syltmanwell the way I have it right now is pretty cool, I'm making a sort of digging game and to be able to manipulate each one of them easily I've made a kind of grid where I enter the XY value to get the unit. What I need custom values for now is to make it so I can get the XY values by only knowing my unit.
19:19.21Dustin|LappyEzzz
19:19.30Dustin|LappyI did that for my Grid System on WC3
19:19.58Dustin|LappyYou could even do that with just structs
19:20.16syltmanwell that's what I am atm
19:20.35syltmansort off
19:20.44blub_I'm using unit IDs because I need to link units together...
19:20.59Dustin|LappyWhat kind of digging map ya making?
19:21.02blub_making a portal map, and when a portal gets placed/moved etc. the beams which go through it need to be upgraded/created/removed
19:21.03Dustin|LappyPlease be DigDug :D
19:21.57JademusSregFrom what I can tell, the poopularity system takes a sample of time and averages the hours played, but what isn't quite clear is the refresh rate and the sample size.
19:22.20syltmanDustin, it's lego rock raiders based map
19:22.28syltmanit's kinda a kiddy game
19:22.34syltmanbut I think the core gameplay idea is cool
19:22.38JademusSregLego. <3
19:22.44Dustin|LappyLego games are badass
19:23.01Dustin|LappySomeone make me a Minecraft map
19:23.16JademusSregGood luck.
19:23.26syltmanin sc2 that sounds painfull
19:23.32Dustin|LappyYeah lol it realllly does
19:23.36syltmanimagine doing that in wc3 *shivers*
19:23.36Ashamedkko
19:23.42blub_http://stud4.tuwien.ac.at/~e0725517/images/Screenshot2011-04-21%2021_21_48.jpg
19:23.47JademusSregOnly a single pathing level, so height variation would need to be completely scripted.
19:23.49blub_yay, portals of multiple players working
19:23.55blub_just 1 thing left to do xD
19:24.27blub_beam starts at the lower left, and goes through the beacons, which are portals - green beacon is used to set the direction a portal is facing on creation
19:24.40JademusSregI found myself hoping it was more like Portal's portals.
19:24.48blub_JademusSreg: they are :P
19:24.53Ashamedyeah blub i am sorry that looks sloppy
19:24.54blub_except they can be entered from any side
19:25.04blub_Ashamed: sloppy? :O
19:25.09Ashamedyeah
19:25.15blub_how so?
19:25.37Ashamedjust seems like everything is everywhere :)
19:25.41Ashamedwhat are the beams for?
19:25.46blub_well yea
19:25.47Dustin|LappyWould be cool if there was a way to display a dialog with a camera's view
19:25.52blub_I haven't taken the time to choose effects and models yet
19:25.55blub_it's a technical demo
19:26.05Dustin|LappySo you could have portals show what's on the other side and shit
19:26.06blub_Ashamed: have you played portal? ^^
19:26.12Ashamedwhat are the beams for to show you which portals are connected
19:26.12JademusSregYou could play a video on a surface.
19:26.15Ashamedyes blub i have played portal
19:26.24blub_in portal 2 there are these beams which make you float inside them
19:26.38blub_that's what those beams will do :P make you float over pits :P
19:26.45blub_need a better effect tho
19:26.46Ashamedi have not seen portal 2 yet
19:26.54JademusSregIf you can record as well, then that means making portals work visually is possible.
19:27.26blub_JademusSreg: you mean some render-to-texture kind of stuff?
19:27.36blub_JademusSreg: there seems to be render-to-texture possibilities
19:27.38blub_Ashamed:  http://media.pcgamer.com/files/2011/04/a_blue-transit.jpg
19:27.39syltmanbtw can you store 0 as a custom value?
19:27.50blub_syltman: yes but it's also the default AFAIK
19:27.52JademusSregSylt, yes, but that's the default.
19:28.01blub_Ashamed: in that image they're orange tho :P
19:28.02Ashamedwhat are the point of thoughs if you can just teleport?
19:28.02syltmanwell that doesn't matter
19:28.22blub_Ashamed: you can't teleport everywhere :O
19:28.25JademusSregblub, you can play video on textures, like in the campaign breifing things.
19:28.32JademusSreg*briefing
19:28.34blub_Ashamed: in portal you can only place portals on white areas =)
19:28.38Ashamedi know
19:28.41Ashamedhow to fucking play portal
19:28.51blub_sry, didn't mean to offend you
19:28.51Ashamedyou just have one per portal
19:28.55Ashamedor does it have to conenct to a portal
19:29.10blub_Ashamed: the beam starts at that blue light thingy on the lower right
19:29.18blub_and goes into the orange portal right of it
19:29.28blub_zerg beacon
19:29.35blub_which is connected to the protoss beacon up-left of it
19:29.50blub_it's hard to see in the shot I guess
19:30.40Ashamedi understand where the beam is going ... i jsut dont really understand the concept i would mby have to watch a portal 2 trailer
19:30.42Ashamedi dont really care
19:31.06Ashamedif your can float in this beam.. and the only way to connect the beam is the portals
19:31.07Dustin|LappyWait what
19:31.11Dustin|LappyWhy are there beams?
19:31.13Ashamedi just dont understand why you can just go through the portal
19:31.18Ashamedcan't*
19:31.38blub_Ashamed: well the beam goes through the portal as well, and sometimes you need to get over a huge pit where on the other side there's no place to place a portal
19:31.48Dustin|LappyOH so it's a floaty beam
19:31.50Ashamedok
19:31.58blub_Ashamed: or you have some gel you can have float through the beam, and then you remove the portal to get the gel fall down onto turrets to throw them off
19:31.58Dustin|LappyI thought it was some graphic connecting the portals
19:32.11Ashamedand it goes until it hits a wall?
19:32.13blub_Dustin|Lappy: nono hehe
19:32.19blub_Ashamed: yes
19:32.28Dustin|LappyI dont know how a portal type game is gonna work with a single plane being placeable
19:32.32blub_Ashamed: in case of my map, until it hits a non-pathable area - ignoring units
19:32.41Ashamedok
19:33.56blub_btw.
19:34.10blub_"point is pathable(point)" <- does that ignore the units at that point?
19:34.17blub_or do units which stand on the point make this non-pathable
19:34.40Dustin|LappyI think it's strictly ground pathing
19:34.48Dustin|LappyBut not for sure
19:35.52blub_well I don't need it :P
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19:37.29blub_thing is, I'm not sure about the tracing function... it's fast with respect to number of operations in triggers... but probably slow when it comes to actual execution time... on the other hand... I don't really know how far away from the limit I am usually... I guess I can swap the function at some point and see if there's any noticable difference
19:37.50blub_but well, it's not noticable at all anyway >.<
19:37.55blub_so what do I care :D
19:40.39blub_Ashamed: if you happen to have any suggestions as to what effect-models to use ... please :D
19:40.45Ashamedi dunno blub
19:40.47blub_or models for the portals...
19:40.53Ashamedbut as of now it does not look too pretty ><
19:40.57blub_also I should probably tint them with the player-color
19:40.58Ashamedbut you may not be able to make it pretyty
19:41.01Ashamedits sc2 and thats portal
19:41.10blub_well
19:41.16blub_I haven't put any thought in those decisions yet
19:41.24Ashamedit may have to be all custom
19:41.25blub_I used the beacons because they seemed ... to do the job lol
19:41.31blub_the terran beacon is ugly as crap tho :D
19:41.41Ashamedi mean you can make a certain version of portal
19:41.44Ashamedmby not even call it portal
19:41.50blub_and I'd prefer not to have to place a beacon to set the portal direction :P
19:42.00blub_but there's no ability type that uses position+direction
19:42.03blub_which I could use
19:42.11blub_Ashamed: i know
19:42.34blub_but it might still allow some challenging puzzles to be created for it :)
19:42.41Ashamedall i know is even if you get it working pretty much the same way it works in portal
19:42.46Ashamedif its sloppy i still wont want to play it
19:43.02Ashamedyeah you should be able to make the effects i am pretty sure
19:43.26Ashamedbut i think you are going to have to make it good in your own way
19:43.45Ashameddont expect "portal" to do the job for you
19:43.47Ashamedif that makes sense?
19:43.48blub_yeah I think so too
19:44.03blub_it cannot be the same obviously
19:44.10Ashamedexactly
19:44.19blub_there's the fact that you click the position where the portal should appear, instead of shooting - and the portal is ... round :P
19:44.26blub_can be entered from any direction - though that could be changed
19:44.45blub_it's more like a teleporter with the possibility to rotate whatever goes through by changing its direction
19:44.56blub_but I can still use some of the mechanics portal uses
19:45.04blub_like, having to put cubes onto buttons
19:45.06blub_and stuff
19:45.25blub_like, have a pit, and a button on the other side, and such a beam which you can use to float some cube above the button
19:45.33blub_remove the portal so it drops onto the button, and you're done :)
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19:52.48JademusSreghttp://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/Portals.jpg
19:53.16blub_JademusSreg: sphere shape model with high-hdred model-tint?
19:53.23A1winhmm if I want to make a melee gameplay variation to be used for multiple maps, how should I do it?
19:53.26JademusSregYes. Because beacons suck.
19:53.34blub_JademusSreg: I know
19:53.47blub_JademusSreg: maybe you got an idea about the rotations tho?
19:54.06JademusSregThe HDMI is only about 3 for orange and 4.5 for blue to smooth out the edges.
19:54.14JademusSregWhat about rotations?
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19:54.31Stewoxguys
19:54.37blub_well, the portatls need some direction so you can control which direction the stuff goes out :)
19:54.40Stewoxdo you know what days is today
19:54.52JademusSregEasy.
19:54.55StewoxList most important things that happened today:
19:54.56blub_currently, when they're created, they're set to be facing the "green" beacon
19:54.59blub_as a direction marker
19:55.21JademusSregIf the portal is a unit, UnitGetFacing, and make entrance-exit angles relative.
19:55.46Stewoxwell
19:55.53Stewoxit's my birthday
19:56.04Stewoxpurl give a happy birthday to stewox
19:56.04purlACTION gives happy birthday to stewox to a
19:56.13JademusSregIf you need a marker, press two together, make one darker than the other, so you know that's the back.
19:56.25JademusSregStew, congrats on living.
19:56.30JademusSreg=D
19:57.01blub_JademusSreg: no I mean, I need to give the player a better way of controling the angles
19:57.12blub_JademusSreg: I already have the enter/exit behavior done :P
19:57.27Stewoxpurl give stewox a happy birthday
19:57.27purlACTION gives a happy birthday to stewox
19:57.36JademusSregMake it face toward the caster.
19:57.38Stewoxah that works
19:58.07Stewoxpurl blow the candles off the cake
19:58.07purlACTION blows the candles off the cake
19:58.27Stewoxnow eat that piece of cake purl
19:58.27JademusSregYou may not control the portal's facing directly, but since you control the caster and the facing consistently faces the caster, you control it indirectly.
19:58.56Stewoxportal :)
19:59.06JademusSreghttp://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/Portals.jpg
19:59.06Stewoxfor science ...
19:59.19Stewoxwhat about stargate
19:59.22JademusSregblub's working on portals.
19:59.27Stewoxthat's more cooler :p
19:59.56blub_JademusSreg: mhh, towards the caster.... that makes sense but may be quite limiting :P
20:00.00blub_but may just work
20:00.01Stewoxanyone working on stargate mod for sc2?
20:00.18StewoxDune guy quit , seriously not really any big mod support for SC2
20:00.49Stewoxi would like to ... like a RA2 mod or something...
20:01.00JademusSregblub, what matters is consistency; convoluted control mechanics pale beside the intuitive simplicity of a consistent mechanic. =)
20:01.43blub_^^
20:01.50JademusSregIf you control x and y reacts consistently in response to x, x controls y.
20:02.01blub_JademusSreg: mhh, ever worked with "Set Camera Channel"?
20:02.07JademusSregNope.
20:02.10blub_seems to setup a render-to-texture channel using a model-camera
20:02.15JademusSregNeato.
20:02.21blub_but no idea how to use it
20:02.32JademusSregLook in the campaign stuff.
20:02.44JademusSregThe story mode stuff right before the mission starts.
20:03.05JademusSregIt is almost certainly used there to display the video footage on the command holoscreens.
20:04.11blub_but I doubt I could get it to be displayed on a shape-model anyway
20:04.21blub_but hell, could just investigate a bit for the fun of it
20:04.30JademusSregNo reason not to try. =)
20:04.49JademusSregAnd maybe you'll be able to get a modeller to wrap the needed texture.
20:05.26AlphA_VsTtwo hours later
20:05.30AlphA_VsTfucking get proof done
20:05.41blub_huh?
20:05.45blub_what proof :P
20:05.56AlphA_VsTwork :D
20:06.04AlphA_VsTim hungry
20:06.07blub_umm
20:06.13blub_stupid totalcommander plugin
20:06.20blub_won't let me enter base.SC2Assets
20:07.22blub_or .sc2data
20:07.25blub_gonna have to use that ugly program
20:07.33AlphA_VsT?
20:08.28blub_nvm
20:11.17blub_JademusSreg: takes ages to open a campaign sc2map in the editor :P
20:11.24blub_the "complicated" ones anyway
20:11.27blub_triggerwindow lodas ages at least
20:14.11blub_JademusSreg: happen to know where I find what I'm looking for xD
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20:15.53SoulTaker_JADE!
20:15.54SoulTaker_XD
20:17.44syltmanbtw does anyone want to play Photon Cycles?
20:17.58SoulTaker_jade does
20:18.12syltmanwell me and my friend hosted a game
20:18.56syltmanjademusSreg up for a game of photon cycles?
20:21.49blub_omfg
20:21.58blub_blizzard really should have used proper UI elements in that editor
20:22.13blub_in the campaign maps the editor performs like... HELL
20:25.34JademusSregYes.
20:25.40JademusSregGive me 5 minutes Sylt.
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20:26.20syltmanbtw Jade it says left mouse button however for me I have to press left and right to speed up
20:26.38JademusSregPerhaps your mouse is damaged?
20:26.58JademusSregI'll be back in 5 and we can play.
20:27.14syltmanaye I'll play a round with 3 more
20:30.48JademusSregI'll be in the Photon Cycles channel.
20:30.52syltmanerr
20:30.53syltmanwe've hosted
20:30.59syltmandamnit
20:31.03syltmanwe just started >.<
20:31.19JademusSregHah.
20:32.28syltmanright
20:32.29syltmanwe remade
20:32.46JademusSregI'm in the Photon Cycles channel.
20:33.03syltmanus or eu?
20:33.18JademusSregNA, I should have mentioned.
20:33.26syltmanyah lol haha
20:33.28JademusSregHaha.
20:33.52JademusSregWell, send them my regards.
20:34.25JademusSregAlso, let em know a major update will be coming soon.
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20:41.47syltmanit's one of those games that deserve to be on the top
20:41.49syltmaneasy to play and fun
20:46.52Dustin|LappyPsha that Photon Cycles map? What a waste of time, if I had a kid that was 1 year old, he coulda made that pile of poop jade calls a map
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20:50.30blub_JademusSreg: "playing movies is restricted to blizzard maps"
20:50.34blub_pfff
20:50.43blub_the render-to-texture stuff doesn't generate that error tho
20:50.56blub_but I see no connection to the texture and how/where to apply it
20:51.07syltmanbtw something I'd like to see Jade is that the map size scale depending on the amount of players
20:51.18syltmanthe maps a bit big when you're few
20:52.18Dustin|LappyI was kidding by the way
20:55.35JademusSregHah.
20:55.45JademusSregI was watching WallE with my daughter.
20:56.11syltmangreat choice, it's a good movie
20:56.16JademusSregYeah, maps complain about video (and Blizzard's arbitrary restrictions) but there are ways around.
20:57.01blub_JademusSreg: legal ways?
20:57.03blub_:P
20:57.10JademusSregSure, maybe.
20:57.34JademusSregFor instance, some UI frames resist being hidden unless done before map initialization.
20:57.44blub_"before"?
20:57.49JademusSregYes.
20:57.53blub_how do you do that before?
20:58.13JademusSregA custom script with an initializer occurs before the map initialization event.
20:58.24blub_didn't the shape-models use to be white?
20:58.31blub_they're always orange for me now
20:58.36JademusSreg=\
20:58.39blub_JademusSreg: that's cheating lol
20:58.40JademusSregTeam color.
20:58.44blub_oh
20:58.48blub_what?
20:58.54blub_hten why do I see it as orange in the previewer?
20:59.00JademusSregShape model texture supports team color.
20:59.14blub_oooooh
20:59.38blub_can that be overriden with those "Texture Declarations +"?
20:59.46JademusSregDunno.
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20:59.55JademusSregI've never tried that.
21:00.02blub_gonna take a look
21:00.04Helral|Afkmeows
21:00.22JademusSregIf it belongs to a player with team color of white, then there's no problem.
21:01.21blub_don't want to color them all white
21:01.24blub_that would get confusing
21:01.24blub_:P
21:01.50JademusSregCould try switching off the inherit team color flag in the actor.
21:01.54JademusSregSee if that does anything.
21:02.59blub_no such flag is set
21:03.13JademusSregWell heck.
21:03.32blub_oh, is
21:03.41Dustin|LappyWhatchoo trying to do blub?
21:03.49blub_get the shape models white
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21:05.31JademusSregGoing to go play outside before I get back to this refactoring purgatory.
21:05.45JademusSregbrb
21:06.35Kuekenblub: set the team color to white in the actor events
21:07.51blub_works
21:07.51blub_ty
21:14.21JademusSregGood idea Kueken. =D
21:14.28JademusSregI'll need to remember that one.
21:15.09JademusSregblub, the colors I used for my portals in the screenshot were 32,64,192 for blue and 255,128,0 for orange.
21:15.39JademusSregTurned out pretty close; I took a sample of the colors from screenshots of the portals for a basis.
21:16.57A1winI'm tempted to map for Portal 2 :3
21:17.38blub_hmmm
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21:17.49blub_JademusSreg: just one more thing I need to figure out
21:18.13blub_JademusSreg: should I add 180 degrees to anything passing through portals? :P
21:19.15A1winif you just spawn them in the portal's origin then I guess you should, would look better
21:19.16JademusSregI guess facing would need to be adjusted relative to the facing of the exit portal.
21:19.51blub_it is, I add the (facingof(exit) - facingof(entrance))
21:20.02blub_http://stud4.tuwien.ac.at/~e0725517/images/Screenshot2011-04-21%2023_18_59.jpg
21:20.27blub_I'm just wonderinf if the beam coming out of the blue portal in that screenshot
21:20.32blub_should be heading towards the stalker instead
21:20.33blub_:)
21:21.31JademusSregNaw, looks right to me.
21:21.31blub_this is crucial though
21:21.37blub_since it affects the puzzles
21:21.39blub_a lot :D
21:21.44JademusSregMaking certain assumptions about the facing.
21:22.08JademusSregIf both portals are facing 270, and entering through the side is allowed, then that is correct.
21:22.27blub_yes, both should be
21:22.35blub_since I used the red stalker at that position to spawn them
21:23.15blub_when moving the blue portal up a bit: http://stud4.tuwien.ac.at/~e0725517/images/Screenshot2011-04-21%2023_22_43.jpg
21:24.09blub_it probably needs some way of indicating the direction though :)
21:24.21JademusSregLooking damn fine so far.
21:24.49blub_basically, right now, endering through one portal's back, pushes you out the other portal's front
21:25.04JademusSregYou could have the portal actors create an arrow actor on creation.
21:25.36JademusSregAnd make the arrow's opacity low, so it's not an eye sore.
21:26.41blub_yea
21:31.09blub_gah, need a nicer arrow model ^^
21:31.37JademusSregIf you want the gameplay to be more like Portal, you would do as you suggested earlier, and swap modify the angle 180. Is that for what you're going?
21:32.09blub_not adding the 180 atm
21:32.13JademusSregWhich arrow model are you using?
21:32.20blub_looking through the options atm
21:32.23blub_ping arrow might work
21:32.30blub_but it's animated :P
21:32.46JademusSregThere's an arrow model used for certain effects, like birds.
21:32.48blub_I'd rather have something that doesn't go through the center
21:33.26blub_well, typing arrow in the model list brings up
21:33.36blub_ping arrow, helper emitter selection arrow, shape arrow pointer and tarsonis arrow
21:34.01JademusSregHow about the line effect used for lining up the shot with Raynor's command rifle in the Char tunnels mission?
21:34.56blub_happen to know the name?
21:35.05JademusSregNope.
21:35.53JademusSregBut if you have the campaign dependency, you could fine it easily by filtering for raynor.
21:35.57JademusSreg*find
21:36.11blub_ah
21:36.15blub_don't have the campaign dep atm
21:37.07blub_gonna add it
21:37.11blub_butit adds sooooo much XD
21:37.24JademusSregI love it.
21:37.30blub_mh
21:37.31blub_the story one
21:37.34blub_or just the campaign one
21:37.40JademusSregCampaign.
21:38.48A1winstory one just has the story upgrade systems and stuff, just makes everything confusing
21:39.10JademusSregWhat about the assets? =D
21:39.26A1winaren't they in the campaign dep?
21:39.37JademusSregYup.
21:39.42blub_well that's an effect though
21:39.51blub_which would be repeated
21:39.55blub_might be disturbing
21:40.13JademusSregBlub, I refer you to the actor to find the asset.
21:40.30JademusSregAnd you can then find a way to apply it for your own purposes. =)
21:43.31blub_that dep has some beams which may be better suited for that beam effect
21:43.32blub_yay
21:43.46JademusSreg=D
21:45.56blub_crap that beam makes a curve :O
21:48.21blub_JademusSreg: too much animation I think
21:48.25blub_JademusSreg: in that effect
21:48.43blub_or I'm at the wrong effect
21:51.45JademusSregI'm getting the screenshot ready now.
21:53.49JademusSreghttp://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/PenetratorRound.jpg
21:54.29blub_I don't have a penetrator round :P
21:55.36JademusSregRaynor (Sniper) or something should be the name of the unit with the ability.
21:56.50blub_gah
21:57.02blub_I only find Raynor Snipe Beam which looks different :P
21:57.38blub_AH
21:57.41blub_railgun cursor beam!
21:58.02JademusSreg=D
22:00.26blub_now I need to move it upward a bit
22:01.52blub_bah actorcreation->setheight won't do the trick
22:02.51JademusSregLooks like a texture appled to the ground, like a decal; I doubt it can be raised.
22:03.00DekarClord!
22:03.03Dekari played your map D:
22:03.08blub_JademusSreg: it's a model tho :S
22:03.19JademusSregSo are decals.
22:04.11Dekar~seen clord
22:04.16purlclord is currently on #sc2mapster (15h 8m 40s). Has said a total of 43 messages. Is idling for 13h 7m 9s, last said: 'lol'.
22:04.21Dekargeez
22:05.41blub_JademusSreg: if i make a unit with that model I can raise it
22:05.46blub_in UI - Height
22:05.55JademusSregProbably, yes.
22:06.26blub_but I guess it gets attached to the host's position
22:06.26JademusSregA model with one poly consisting of a single plane ought to do the trick.
22:06.34JademusSregOh.
22:06.35blub_so, moving it independently won't work I guess
22:06.47JademusSregI misunderstood.
22:07.05JademusSregI read it as "if i make a model"
22:07.12blub_nah
22:07.33JademusSregWhy does it need to be raise exactly?
22:07.35blub_I added Actor-Creation -> Create(Portal Direction Arrow) to the portal's events
22:07.43blub_because it is stuck to the ground and barely visible
22:07.44blub_:P
22:07.53blub_I want it centered
22:08.03AlphA_VsTYAY! i got it almost
22:08.05blub_with respect to the orb shape's hull
22:08.24JademusSregI don't think that can be done bulb.
22:08.50blub_guess that leaves me with creating an actual unit using a trigger
22:08.50JademusSregBut if it can,  there might be a hint in the model data, something with which to tinker.
22:09.26blub_well, I mean, some models ahve bones... but the orb does not :D
22:09.59AlphA_VsTAH HA
22:10.13AlphA_VsTI KNOW what i can do to hide teh slight issue :D
22:11.22blub_JademusSreg: ah
22:11.35blub_hosting - hoste site operations: SAOpAttachCenter
22:11.39blub_did the trick
22:11.56JademusSregNeato. I wanna set that. =D
22:12.00JademusSreg*see
22:12.06blub_the only problem is that it's a flat model
22:12.13blub_not visible from some directions -_-'
22:12.21blub_might need 2, one rotated - if that's possible lol
22:12.26JademusSregThere are worse fates.
22:12.41blub_cannot see it from the front at all
22:13.13JademusSregSetting rotation is problematic.
22:13.43JademusSregIn as far as it often doesn't work as it should.
22:14.04blub_there's SAOpAttachCustomA ...
22:14.07blub_what kind of data is that stuff?
22:14.12blub_it's not in "Attach Methods"
22:14.46JademusSregI'm suzzy on site ops; my knowledge is limited in that field, so I can't really say.
22:14.54JademusSreg*fuzzy
22:15.12JademusSregShit, I make a typo in nearly every sentence.
22:15.49blub_I just clicked the view button :P
22:15.57blub_oh they're actors >.<
22:16.10JademusSregProzaicMuse would definitely know, provided you don't mind him trolling you a bit.
22:16.17JademusSregOh, well of course.
22:16.33JademusSregI just don't know what many of them do. =D
22:16.35Helralmeow
22:16.49JademusSregHi Helral.
22:20.00Helraljust uploaded the new version of my RDM (still Alpha, version 0.10)
22:20.18JademusSregLink?
22:20.37Helralhttp://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/project-workplace/2407-helrals-random-dungeon-map/
22:20.43Helrallinks to the files are in the first post ;p
22:23.54JademusSregLooks neat.
22:24.53Helralhttp://dl.dropbox.com/u/13276752/UI_in_development.png
22:24.57Helralthe new UI ;p
22:25.32blub_JademusSreg: okay I can use site ops to rotate and position it
22:25.37blub_JademusSreg: but the model is still rendered badly
22:25.42blub_JademusSreg: so that won't work
22:26.22JademusSregHelral, a wild SC2MAPSTER appears!
22:26.51Helralmeows at the SC2MAPSTER.
22:27.33JademusSregLooks like it's about to attack the zealot.
22:27.54Helralhmmm?
22:28.05JademusSregIn that image.
22:28.16Helrallol
22:28.39Helralthe sc2mapster sign has it's back to the zealot
22:28.59JademusSregIt's just waiting for the right moment to pounce.
22:30.29Helralwell the zealot just found gloves to handle the wild one ;p
22:30.53blub_JademusSreg: okay now using siteops for centering, a slight offset forward, compensating the 5 degree rotation from the helper arrow
22:30.57blub_JademusSreg: shot coming soon
22:33.37Helral|afknn all
22:36.23blub_JademusSreg: http://stud4.tuwien.ac.at/~e0725517/images/Screenshot2011-04-22%2000_35_03.jpg
22:36.38blub_JademusSreg: also not really visible from the front
22:36.42blub_JademusSreg: but I think it's okay
22:36.56blub_JademusSreg: could turn down the tint-lighting tho
22:37.07blub_or add some other kind of lighting to the model itself
22:37.55blub_enough for tonight
22:37.57blub_bedtime :D
22:38.35blub_Ashamed: look at the screenshot pls ^^ maybe you like those portal models more
22:38.54blub_goes to bed now
22:59.11allenmelonbattlenet temporary outage?
22:59.17allenmelonim not able to log in right now
22:59.26Ashamedyeah blub its getti ng ncier
22:59.27allenmelonanyone else getting the same prob?
23:00.59Dekarnight!
23:11.16*** join/#sc2mapster CryptRat (440a127b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.10.18.123)
23:11.27CryptRatUnits are capped at 32 abilities?
23:12.52CryptRatHow difficult is that to get around? Because I want to have a unit with 16 possible abilities, but only 4 at any given time, but also have them be upgradable and toggled between using only the command card.
23:20.45Ashamedwoot just shut up some christians on face book lol
23:21.45CryptRatJust because their worldview is entirely wrong doesn't mean you have to be mean to them. :/
23:21.51Ashamedthey were fighting with someone to claim to be athiest and then they broguth in the idea that athiest don't believe in right and wrong.. because of survival of  the fitest.. and i was like who to say they believe in evolution.. ATHIESM has nothing to do with this
23:21.53Ashamedthey were being mean
23:22.00Ashamedit was like 5 on 1
23:22.04CryptRatSo that justifies being mean back?
23:22.11Ashamedi didnt
23:22.13Ashamedi was not mean back
23:22.24Ashamedi actually broguht facts into the comments
23:23.16Ashamedand it was my wife
23:23.17Ashamedthey were fighting
23:23.18Ashamedlol
23:23.39Ashamedi will show you what i wrote
23:23.59CryptRatI don't really care.
23:24.06Ashamedoh its good though
23:24.10Ashamedbut ok
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23:32.00AlphA_VsTok
23:33.40AshamedoHHHHHHHHOK
23:33.41AlphA_VsTlets see if this movement triggers works now
23:33.54AlphA_VsTfucking more than 1 person
23:34.17Ashamedlol
23:34.19Ashamedit doesn't
23:34.27AlphA_VsTdont say that
23:34.51AlphA_VsTNA test anyone?
23:37.17AlphA_VsTanyone
23:37.18AlphA_VsT:(
23:39.30AlphA_VsTi just need 1
23:39.32AlphA_VsTgah
23:40.32AlphA_VsTI HATE YOU ALL!
23:40.40JademusSregHah.
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23:43.11AlphA_VsTseriously :*(
23:44.03AlphA_VsT(0.o)
23:48.20AlphA_VsTanyone NA test
23:48.25AlphA_VsTjust 1 person
23:54.51AlphA_VsTPLEASE
23:55.06AlphA_VsTtesting it with a empty computer isnt the same
23:56.40SixenI'm going to BlizzHQ to play Heart of the Swarm at the end of May
23:56.41Sixen:)
23:57.16JademusSreg=D
23:57.29JademusSregUnder a NDA?
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23:57.49AlphA_VsThow nice
23:59.14AlphA_VsTnow someone test my map FUCK!!!!!
23:59.32SixenYeah, it'll be under an NDA
23:59.35SixenNDA breaks may 31 though
23:59.37SixenSo... :O
23:59.46AlphA_VsTlol what

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