| 00:00.12 | nodgene | here alpha |
| 00:00.13 | nodgene | oh nevermind |
| 00:00.20 | AlphA_VsT | here what |
| 00:01.27 | nodgene | Doesn't matter, I realised the question I was going to ask wasn't necessary |
| 00:01.30 | nodgene | my apologies. |
| 00:03.14 | AlphA_VsT | well fuck |
| 00:03.19 | nodgene | :D |
| 00:05.47 | nodgene | something weird happened |
| 00:06.03 | nodgene | I made a trigger to add to a score when a player made a kill, right? Simple enough. |
| 00:06.09 | AlphA_VsT | yeah |
| 00:06.20 | nodgene | I discovered to my horror it added points for every time a sentry's forcefield collapses |
| 00:06.31 | AlphA_VsT | really |
| 00:06.44 | nodgene | so apparently the way that works is that it counts as the sentry actually kills a forcefield object that is apparently owned by player 0 |
| 00:07.03 | nodgene | that was a bit weird |
| 00:07.14 | AlphA_VsT | yeah i didnt know it was a unit like |
| 00:07.24 | AlphA_VsT | just say != player 0 :D |
| 00:07.30 | nodgene | yep, I did |
| 00:07.37 | nodgene | I tested as != player 1 to start with |
| 00:07.45 | nodgene | but that didn't work, so I realised it had to be played 0 |
| 00:07.46 | nodgene | player* |
| 00:08.05 | Bounty | How do you make it so you cant select units THROUGH doodads |
| 00:08.12 | Bounty | like u cant click on something behind a cliff |
| 00:08.18 | Bounty | how do u do that for doodads |
| 00:08.33 | nodgene | magic |
| 00:08.33 | AlphA_VsT | you cant 0.o |
| 00:08.46 | Bounty | well then |
| 00:08.49 | Bounty | scrap that |
| 00:08.50 | Bounty | idea |
| 00:08.51 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:08.53 | AlphA_VsT | bounty i would use it in my map |
| 00:08.57 | AlphA_VsT | im workign on :P |
| 00:09.08 | AlphA_VsT | which is fucking awesome |
| 00:10.45 | Bounty | is it the cliffs pathing? |
| 00:10.47 | Bounty | that makes it so |
| 00:10.56 | Bounty | or is it some other mechanic? |
| 00:11.02 | Bounty | bc if its the cliffs pathing... |
| 00:11.03 | AlphA_VsT | i have no idae |
| 00:11.07 | AlphA_VsT | idea |
| 00:11.10 | Bounty | u can path any thing with the cliff pathing |
| 00:11.22 | AlphA_VsT | i would try |
| 00:11.30 | AlphA_VsT | i have not thought of anything |
| 00:11.33 | AlphA_VsT | but i have not tried |
| 00:12.30 | AlphA_VsT | i cant wait to add heros to my map though <3 |
| 00:12.42 | nodgene | what map type you makin? |
| 00:13.03 | AlphA_VsT | its a defense game 0.o |
| 00:13.14 | AlphA_VsT | rpg ish |
| 00:13.16 | AlphA_VsT | like |
| 00:13.40 | nodgene | I see |
| 00:15.21 | nodgene | here's a serious question |
| 00:15.56 | nodgene | if you went on a date with someone who you thought was a zealot. But after the love making later in the evening turned out to be a changeling, would you feel primarily humilitated or depressed; and why? |
| 00:16.27 | AlphA_VsT | i had sex next question |
| 00:16.49 | nodgene | THAT'S NOT THE QUESTION THOUGH :D |
| 00:17.43 | AlphA_VsT | you clearly ended it in a question mark, how could it not be? |
| 00:18.09 | nodgene | Augh, but the point is whether you'd feel more humilitated or depressed upon this discovery |
| 00:18.27 | Bounty | a changeling would make a pretty damn fine lubricant |
| 00:18.35 | nodgene | LOL |
| 00:18.36 | nodgene | oh dear |
| 00:18.42 | Mephs | changeling fleshlight |
| 00:18.50 | Bounty | ^that |
| 00:19.02 | Mephs | speaking of fleshlights |
| 00:19.02 | Bounty | that would be a huge market |
| 00:19.05 | Mephs | i'm gonna go get a cheesesteak |
| 00:19.06 | Mephs | bbl |
| 00:19.11 | AlphA_VsT | no the point is i just had sex so who fucking cares |
| 00:19.13 | nodgene | it may be a little bit of a turnoff if it kept making the generic affermative statements. |
| 00:19.38 | Bounty | If you think about it |
| 00:19.39 | nodgene | You've got to consider the emotional implications of such things! |
| 00:19.50 | Bounty | Changelings are a mans dream |
| 00:20.07 | nodgene | I see where you're coming from |
| 00:20.11 | Bounty | All they have are two hands, a head, and the rest is just nice smooshie goo |
| 00:20.17 | Bounty | What more could you want |
| 00:20.20 | nodgene | Okay, I now don't. |
| 00:20.38 | Bounty | Althought i mean you really dont need more then one hand from a lover |
| 00:20.42 | Bounty | unless they are weak |
| 00:20.47 | Bounty | and like to switch hit |
| 00:20.59 | Bounty | That is all i have to say |
| 00:21.00 | Bounty | for now |
| 00:21.03 | Bounty | Good Day |
| 00:21.06 | nodgene | haha, oh dear. |
| 00:21.07 | nodgene | k |
| 00:22.34 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 00:25.19 | nodgene | here, actually question alpha, isn't concussion shells a behaviour rather than an ability? |
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| 00:29.09 | AlphA_VsT | i have no fucking idea |
| 00:29.14 | PurityMU | hey I keep getting an error trying to publish my map "published name "estapas de guerr...." and then it runs off the screen... what does this mean and how do I fix it? |
| 00:29.19 | AlphA_VsT | what unit has concussion shells? |
| 00:29.20 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 00:29.35 | PurityMU | i think that's a zergling alpha vst |
| 00:29.41 | PurityMU | ;) |
| 00:29.53 | AlphA_VsT | fucking could be |
| 00:30.09 | nodgene | AUGH you're a spiteful man. |
| 00:30.15 | nodgene | I'll have a look. |
| 00:30.43 | AlphA_VsT | if you told me what unit had the fuckign thing |
| 00:31.14 | nodgene | What, you mean that I mean to give it to? I thought you mean "IT'S IN THE MARAUDER STATS SOMEWHERE, GO LOOK!" :O |
| 00:32.48 | AlphA_VsT | oh its the marauders slow? |
| 00:32.58 | AlphA_VsT | why couldnt you just fucking say that |
| 00:33.00 | AlphA_VsT | fuck |
| 00:33.37 | AlphA_VsT | its a ability set idono whats in it |
| 00:35.49 | AlphA_VsT | im pretty sure it has a behaviour in it some place |
| 00:37.23 | nodgene | hmhm |
| 00:38.14 | AlphA_VsT | ? |
| 00:38.14 | AlphA_VsT | ? |
| 00:38.19 | AlphA_VsT | hmm |
| 00:38.55 | nodgene | well the ability is "passive" so it's not really an ability, I think most of it comes from the actual behaviour it's linked to, slow |
| 00:42.51 | AlphA_VsT | yeah |
| 00:43.06 | AlphA_VsT | its an added effect |
| 00:43.45 | slightlyrandom | Marauders have a set that applies damage and slow behavior |
| 00:44.15 | slightlyrandom | probably with a requirement linked in there |
| 00:45.24 | AlphA_VsT | im pretty sure i said it was a set :D |
| 00:45.44 | slightlyrandom | <-- stating the obvious and well known |
| 00:46.12 | slightlyrandom | Also, compiling information into more palatable form |
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| 00:49.50 | nodgene | hurr |
| 00:50.06 | nodgene | how about a ghost tac nuke strike |
| 00:50.34 | nodgene | what gives it the requirement besides the requirement proper? As I've changed that and it just complains of not having calldown. |
| 00:53.43 | AlphA_VsT | i have no idae |
| 00:53.45 | AlphA_VsT | idea |
| 00:53.52 | AlphA_VsT | never looked at it |
| 00:54.05 | AlphA_VsT | explain link helps so fucking much |
| 00:54.07 | AlphA_VsT | use it 0.o |
| 00:55.53 | nodgene | explain? |
| 00:56.10 | nodgene | where is this? |
| 00:57.49 | nodgene | oh |
| 00:57.50 | nodgene | I see |
| 00:58.04 | AlphA_VsT | yeah |
| 00:58.09 | AlphA_VsT | right there |
| 00:58.10 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 00:58.16 | nodgene | :) |
| 00:59.02 | nodgene | :O |
| 00:59.05 | nodgene | THAT MIGHT WORK |
| 00:59.19 | nodgene | If we make the nuke caster the silo as well |
| 00:59.21 | nodgene | :D |
| 01:04.51 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 01:05.05 | AlphA_VsT | so the nuke will come from the ghost? |
| 01:05.08 | AlphA_VsT | how awesome |
| 01:07.13 | nodgene | well, in this case in this map each unit attribute confers a unique ability |
| 01:07.36 | nodgene | and in this case massive units are so massive (technically, but they have been scaled down...) they can train and use nukes |
| 01:07.44 | nodgene | thinking of making the nukes more like hunter seek missiles |
| 01:07.48 | nodgene | that'd just be trolling |
| 01:09.18 | nodgene | but terribly amusing |
| 01:09.24 | nodgene | since protos units can use forcefield |
| 01:09.58 | nodgene | so imagine the carrier blunders in, fires a nuke, the target flees, runs for their life; and then the obvious exit way is suddenly blocked with a forcefield |
| 01:10.05 | nodgene | troll face - NUCLEAR EXPLOSION |
| 01:10.09 | nodgene | +1 score to carrier |
| 01:10.19 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 01:10.21 | AlphA_VsT | what |
| 01:10.35 | nodgene | I know, brilliant isn't it. |
| 01:10.37 | nodgene | :D |
| 01:10.57 | AlphA_VsT | dude my new map uses the units built in abilities as a awesome game mechanic also :D |
| 01:11.12 | nodgene | :) |
| 01:11.22 | AlphA_VsT | my first unit being a marine he stims when hes atatcked :D |
| 01:11.34 | AlphA_VsT | and medics will come in later to heal them |
| 01:12.03 | nodgene | cool |
| 01:12.13 | AlphA_VsT | and sentries will be awesome and reduce all damage so you have to kill them last |
| 01:12.22 | nodgene | interesting |
| 01:12.25 | nodgene | I see where you're going with this. |
| 01:12.55 | AlphA_VsT | and rocahes will burrow once they take so much damage |
| 01:13.07 | AlphA_VsT | and pop back up on full hp |
| 01:13.30 | AlphA_VsT | the concept is so fucking orginal |
| 01:13.46 | AlphA_VsT | im like fuck yeah |
| 01:14.49 | nodgene | :) |
| 01:15.02 | nodgene | I realised though, nukes could be a bad idea for the caster |
| 01:15.10 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 01:15.15 | AlphA_VsT | why? |
| 01:15.23 | nodgene | if the target says "fuck it, I'm not having this", throws an EMP on the caster, buffs himself with a psi shield and then runs towards the caster |
| 01:15.25 | nodgene | ... |
| 01:15.26 | nodgene | could be messy |
| 01:15.41 | nodgene | if it behaves like a hunter seek |
| 01:15.47 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 01:16.05 | nodgene | -1 point for caster for TKing self |
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| 01:24.45 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 01:26.36 | AlphA_VsT | so |
| 01:28.26 | AlphA_VsT | Bounty, you able to prevent clicks behind doodads? |
| 01:28.35 | Bounty | nope |
| 01:28.37 | Bounty | :( |
| 01:28.43 | Bounty | not that i can figure out atleast |
| 01:28.47 | nodgene | not magical enough |
| 01:32.48 | AlphA_VsT | magic nope |
| 01:44.38 | nodgene | well I've made a start on these ability additions. They all need changed and many many more need added. Oh well, will do that tomorrow. |
| 01:44.39 | nodgene | night all |
| 01:56.44 | AlphA_VsT | FUCK YES |
| 01:56.44 | AlphA_VsT | i solved my health bar issue |
| 01:56.47 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 01:56.54 | AlphA_VsT | actor event <3 |
| 01:57.09 | AlphA_VsT | better than triggers |
| 01:58.30 | Bounty | Would you guys rather have a map with VERY basic terrain and fun gameplay or a map with amazing terrain but meh gameplay |
| 01:59.27 | AlphA_VsT | its all about gameplay |
| 01:59.28 | AlphA_VsT | 0.o |
| 01:59.41 | AlphA_VsT | i dont care how pretty your shit is |
| 01:59.45 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:59.53 | AlphA_VsT | if it sucks fuck you |
| 02:06.05 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 02:11.29 | AlphA_VsT | fuck yeah |
| 02:11.31 | AlphA_VsT | party time |
| 02:11.49 | AlphA_VsT | jade i fixed my health bar issue with actor events :D |
| 02:12.02 | JademusSreg | Congrats. =D |
| 02:12.20 | AlphA_VsT | pretty awesome |
| 02:12.37 | AlphA_VsT | now bounty put an idea into my head |
| 02:12.42 | AlphA_VsT | and im trying to make it happen |
| 02:13.45 | Bounty | JademusSreg |
| 02:13.52 | Bounty | dont get mad at me but i need you to help me test something |
| 02:13.57 | Bounty | thats not the Agent map lol |
| 02:14.21 | Bounty | just something i made in about 15 mins i wanna see how it performs on bnet |
| 02:15.21 | JademusSreg | Alright. |
| 02:15.39 | AlphA_VsT | what is it bounty? |
| 02:15.53 | Bounty | a shooting system |
| 02:15.57 | Bounty | i wanna see how accurate it is |
| 02:16.00 | Bounty | ull enjoy the test jademus |
| 02:16.00 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 02:16.01 | Bounty | bc basically |
| 02:16.04 | Bounty | ill run in circles |
| 02:16.06 | Bounty | and u try to kill me |
| 02:16.07 | Bounty | lol |
| 02:16.15 | Bounty | i just wanna see how it works >< |
| 02:16.29 | JademusSreg | Alright. |
| 02:16.33 | JademusSreg | Is it uploaded? |
| 02:16.39 | Bounty | nah im finishing it up right now |
| 02:16.44 | Bounty | ill warn u now though |
| 02:16.47 | Bounty | its going to be very rough |
| 02:16.49 | Bounty | like i said |
| 02:16.50 | Bounty | 15 minutes |
| 02:16.53 | Bounty | took to make |
| 02:16.58 | Bounty | no shooting sounds or nething |
| 02:16.59 | Bounty | lol |
| 02:17.13 | JademusSreg | No problem. |
| 02:21.49 | Bounty | ok |
| 02:21.52 | Bounty | rdy JademusSreg? |
| 02:22.08 | Bounty | uploading now |
| 02:22.50 | JademusSreg | Sure. |
| 02:23.03 | Bounty | im on |
| 02:33.09 | AlphA_VsT | did your map work good? |
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| 02:33.32 | Bounty | yep |
| 02:33.39 | Bounty | in theory |
| 02:33.43 | Bounty | based on the test we just did |
| 02:33.48 | Bounty | i could make a third person snipers map |
| 02:33.50 | Bounty | and the shooting |
| 02:33.54 | Bounty | would be 100% accurate |
| 02:33.55 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 02:34.05 | Bounty | like, lag plays no part |
| 02:34.07 | Bounty | at all |
| 02:34.10 | Bounty | if u hit someone thats it |
| 02:34.10 | AlphA_VsT | thats nice |
| 02:34.12 | Bounty | they will be hit |
| 02:34.31 | AlphA_VsT | yup |
| 02:35.10 | Bounty | watcha think JademusSreg? |
| 02:35.17 | Bounty | should i make a quickie map? |
| 02:35.18 | Bounty | lol |
| 02:35.32 | Bounty | so i dont tire out on Agent Mole Hunt |
| 02:35.42 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 02:35.43 | Bounty | hate UI >< |
| 02:35.47 | Bounty | so boring |
| 02:35.50 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
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| 02:35.57 | Bounty | only because u cant fucking preview it in the editor |
| 02:36.01 | Bounty | if u could do that |
| 02:36.03 | Bounty | i would be done by now |
| 02:36.11 | TMA_Dryeyece | Hiyas IRC 8) |
| 02:36.19 | Bounty | Ello |
| 02:36.45 | AlphA_VsT | i know right haha |
| 02:36.53 | TMA_Dryeyece | Hey Bounty I saw the vid for Speedcraft? isnt that the name? Looked badass |
| 02:37.00 | Bounty | yeah thats the name |
| 02:37.02 | Bounty | thx :) |
| 02:37.09 | TMA_Dryeyece | are those energy walls coming out of the back or a custom model? |
| 02:37.15 | Bounty | nope |
| 02:37.20 | Bounty | the model comes with that effect |
| 02:37.22 | Bounty | Dark Carrier |
| 02:37.29 | TMA_Dryeyece | never used it |
| 02:37.35 | TMA_Dryeyece | looks very tronish |
| 02:37.56 | TMA_Dryeyece | Just saw Tron btw kinda lackin in the story but makes up for it with cool visuals |
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| 02:38.22 | Bounty | Jade |
| 02:38.29 | Bounty | what shud i doooo |
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| 02:39.21 | JademusSreg | About? |
| 02:39.32 | Bounty | the shooting thing |
| 02:39.35 | Bounty | should i make a quickie map? |
| 02:39.41 | Bounty | like would it even be worth it lol |
| 02:39.59 | JademusSreg | Sounds like it could be fun. |
| 02:40.12 | Bounty | i dont wanna do terrain though |
| 02:40.14 | Bounty | so if i do it |
| 02:40.16 | Bounty | its going to be what u saw |
| 02:40.18 | Bounty | for the most part |
| 02:40.19 | Bounty | lol |
| 02:40.38 | Bounty | and it will have no UI |
| 02:40.41 | Bounty | lol |
| 02:40.45 | TMA_Dryeyece | lol |
| 02:40.47 | Bounty | >< |
| 02:40.56 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 02:40.56 | TMA_Dryeyece | already sounds like fun...=p |
| 02:41.01 | AlphA_VsT | bounty |
| 02:41.41 | Bounty | i mean |
| 02:41.44 | Bounty | i CANT do terrain neways |
| 02:41.51 | Bounty | bc u can click a unit through doodads |
| 02:41.57 | Bounty | so that would fuck everything up |
| 02:42.06 | Bounty | would have to be all cliffs |
| 02:42.07 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 02:42.29 | AlphA_VsT | im working on that one bounty 0.o |
| 02:42.29 | JademusSreg | Check the tractory. =D |
| 02:42.39 | JademusSreg | *trajectory |
| 02:42.56 | JademusSreg | That was alchemy, almost magical how I fucked that word. |
| 02:43.07 | Bounty | i mean |
| 02:43.09 | Bounty | i could use pathing |
| 02:43.16 | Bounty | and check the pathing when u click on someone |
| 02:43.31 | Bounty | would prolly make the graphical effects lag abit |
| 02:43.36 | JademusSreg | Naw. |
| 02:43.39 | Bounty | but it would still be 100% accurate |
| 02:44.12 | JademusSreg | It wouldn't be noticable. |
| 02:44.18 | Bounty | true |
| 02:44.33 | Bounty | well that would make it 10x more fun |
| 02:44.37 | Bounty | if there was shit on the map |
| 02:44.39 | Bounty | besides wall |
| 02:44.41 | Bounty | to hide behind lol |
| 02:44.50 | Bounty | BUT |
| 02:44.53 | Bounty | the Embassy terrain |
| 02:44.59 | Bounty | has drained me of any terraining skills i ever had |
| 02:45.01 | JademusSreg | Go further and destrcutable cover. |
| 02:45.11 | Bounty | see |
| 02:45.13 | Bounty | what ur doing is |
| 02:45.23 | Bounty | telling me to start a whole new major project |
| 02:45.26 | Bounty | lol |
| 02:45.34 | Bounty | adding all these features n shit! |
| 02:45.41 | JademusSreg | I'm tempting you with tantalizing bosoms of ambition. |
| 02:45.41 | Bounty | next ur gonna tell me i need a custom minimap |
| 02:45.58 | JademusSreg | Who needs a minimap? |
| 02:46.02 | Bounty | nobody |
| 02:46.06 | JademusSreg | Use eyes and ears. |
| 02:46.11 | Bounty | i know right |
| 02:46.41 | TMA_Dryeyece | lol |
| 02:46.51 | Bounty | also jade |
| 02:46.54 | Bounty | how was the camera? |
| 02:46.56 | Bounty | good? |
| 02:47.08 | Deaod | ever noticed how ears cant distinguish front and back as good as left and right? |
| 02:48.21 | JademusSreg | Camera was good, except when I could look down on myself, or look up from under myself. |
| 02:48.42 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 02:49.01 | JademusSreg | Deaod, I'm familiar with the mechanism by which directional hearing operates. It's neat. |
| 02:49.02 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 02:54.37 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 02:55.30 | Bounty | fuck it |
| 02:55.32 | Bounty | i cant terrain anymore |
| 02:55.33 | Bounty | thats it |
| 02:55.40 | Bounty | that fucking embassy shit |
| 02:55.47 | Bounty | im out of ideas |
| 02:55.50 | Bounty | lol |
| 02:55.59 | Bounty | make me terrain jademus |
| 02:56.00 | Bounty | =P |
| 02:56.09 | Bounty | jk |
| 02:56.15 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 02:57.02 | Bounty | i feel like a fucking addict |
| 02:57.23 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 02:57.26 | JademusSreg | To what? |
| 02:57.28 | Bounty | I'll be terraining or something and ill lose it and exit out of the editor |
| 02:57.32 | Bounty | because i couldnt think of anything |
| 02:57.37 | Bounty | then like 5 minutes later |
| 02:57.40 | Bounty | ill reopen the editor |
| 02:57.44 | Bounty | and repeat |
| 02:57.46 | Bounty | over and over |
| 02:57.50 | Bounty | for about 13 hours |
| 02:58.13 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 02:58.21 | Bounty | is it just me? |
| 02:58.32 | Bounty | i rage quit out of the editor atleast 17 times a day |
| 02:59.00 | Bounty | the only reason i get shit done is because ill have the music that im going to use on the map playing |
| 02:59.05 | Bounty | and it speaks to me like |
| 02:59.13 | Bounty | "Bounty, you must complete this task!" |
| 02:59.38 | Bounty | *realizes he is now basically talking to himself* |
| 02:59.43 | JademusSreg | Hilarious. |
| 03:00.01 | JademusSreg | You've gone mad as a hatter. |
| 03:00.09 | Bounty | We should do a project together Jademus |
| 03:00.10 | JademusSreg | From handling all that mercury. |
| 03:00.10 | Bounty | i have |
| 03:00.10 | Bounty | i really have lol |
| 03:00.22 | JademusSreg | Sure. |
| 03:00.28 | Bounty | ok |
| 03:00.32 | Bounty | go make it |
| 03:00.36 | Bounty | =P |
| 03:00.40 | JademusSreg | I've got two in mind. |
| 03:00.49 | Bounty | i think we should do this snipers thing together |
| 03:00.54 | JademusSreg | Naw. |
| 03:00.59 | Bounty | gaay |
| 03:01.03 | JademusSreg | Not my kind of thing. |
| 03:01.07 | Bounty | what two do you have in mind? |
| 03:01.44 | JademusSreg | Cat n mouse map between terran Marshals and zerg Infestors, role respective. |
| 03:01.56 | Bounty | next |
| 03:01.59 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:02.00 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 03:02.44 | JademusSreg | And something comparable to Okami and an old game called MTG Battlemages (the game was complete shit, but the idea of battlemages is what matters). |
| 03:03.07 | Bounty | Magic the Gathering? |
| 03:03.37 | JademusSreg | It was an MTG themed game, and it was goddamn awful. |
| 03:03.49 | Bounty | I've never played Okami so |
| 03:03.54 | Bounty | All i know is Okami is pretty |
| 03:04.06 | JademusSreg | I'll explain my idea a bit. |
| 03:04.29 | AlphA_VsT | lol same |
| 03:05.52 | JademusSreg | Each player is a battle mage trying, and you cast spells by drawing designs in an input frame, each cell of which costs you 1 energy. You can use several different "colors" representative of different forms of magic. |
| 03:06.03 | JademusSreg | -trying |
| 03:06.40 | Bounty | Sounds like Full Metal Alchemist |
| 03:07.28 | Bounty | Also, that would be quite dificult to determine what someone draws lol |
| 03:07.36 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
| 03:07.42 | JademusSreg | It wouldn't. |
| 03:08.06 | Bounty | how so |
| 03:08.28 | JademusSreg | I'll probably make a prototype soon to demonstrate the mechanic. |
| 03:09.07 | JademusSreg | Don't worry about how I do it. What matters is that I know. =D |
| 03:09.17 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:09.19 | JademusSreg | Does that sound interesting at all to you? |
| 03:09.21 | Bounty | keepin secrets? |
| 03:09.26 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 03:09.33 | Bounty | sounds like it could be fun |
| 03:09.44 | AlphA_VsT | somone has put up a guester based system |
| 03:09.47 | Bounty | but idk about u but it just hit me that how the fuck would we work "together" |
| 03:09.48 | AlphA_VsT | on sc2mapster |
| 03:09.49 | AlphA_VsT | 0.o |
| 03:10.00 | Bounty | we are both independant mappers |
| 03:10.01 | JademusSreg | Bount, easy. |
| 03:10.10 | JademusSreg | Dropbox, irc. |
| 03:10.10 | Bounty | and i know for a fact |
| 03:10.13 | Bounty | you wont let me trigger |
| 03:10.18 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 03:10.18 | Bounty | =P |
| 03:10.19 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
| 03:10.25 | JademusSreg | But you can give me ideas. |
| 03:10.29 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:10.37 | Bounty | who would do the terrain |
| 03:10.41 | AlphA_VsT | you duh |
| 03:10.43 | Bounty | no |
| 03:10.45 | Bounty | watch |
| 03:10.47 | Bounty | let me answer |
| 03:10.48 | Bounty | >< |
| 03:10.50 | Bounty | him* |
| 03:10.58 | AlphA_VsT | then wtf would you be doing? |
| 03:11.04 | Bounty | thats what i just said |
| 03:11.05 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:11.12 | Bounty | we are both independant mappers |
| 03:11.23 | JademusSreg | Naw, you can make terrain. It would be cool. |
| 03:11.37 | JademusSreg | I haven't done any big projects yet because I don't have a dev buddy./ |
| 03:11.51 | JademusSreg | A person with whom I can share ideas and brainstorm. |
| 03:12.15 | JademusSreg | Which also includes criticism, derision, and looking at things from a different perspective. |
| 03:12.25 | Bounty | well im down, not at this very moment though |
| 03:12.28 | Bounty | for obvious reasons |
| 03:12.33 | JademusSreg | Haha. No problem. |
| 03:12.45 | Bounty | i gotta finish the agent map >< |
| 03:12.51 | JademusSreg | Gopher it! |
| 03:12.59 | Bounty | but |
| 03:13.00 | AlphA_VsT | haha |
| 03:13.04 | Bounty | i also want to make that snipers map |
| 03:13.08 | Bounty | set in an egyptian temple |
| 03:13.14 | Bounty | so |
| 03:13.15 | Bounty | idk |
| 03:13.18 | Bounty | fml |
| 03:13.22 | Bounty | like |
| 03:13.29 | Bounty | i have the song playing that i want to use for the snipers map |
| 03:13.31 | Bounty | and good god |
| 03:13.34 | Bounty | im stuck to my pants |
| 03:13.37 | Bounty | put it like that |
| 03:13.41 | JademusSreg | I can't sit still for long. Photon Cycles is in the wild now, so I'm itching to get to my next map. |
| 03:13.41 | Bounty | just picturing it |
| 03:14.00 | Bounty | yeah photon cycles is done |
| 03:14.30 | Bounty | i just need to know |
| 03:14.37 | Bounty | if it would be fun |
| 03:14.40 | Bounty | no classes |
| 03:14.42 | Bounty | only one weapon |
| 03:14.47 | Bounty | but great mechanics |
| 03:14.53 | Bounty | would that work/be fun? |
| 03:15.35 | JademusSreg | The primary issue there Bounty is that it could be done better in Source, or UDK, or Unreal, or pretty much anywhere. |
| 03:15.57 | Bounty | well no shit Jademus |
| 03:16.02 | Bounty | but im just saying |
| 03:16.12 | Bounty | as a game design concept |
| 03:16.13 | Bounty | would it work |
| 03:16.22 | Bounty | one weapon, everyone is the same |
| 03:16.28 | Bounty | but just make the environment kick ass |
| 03:16.30 | Bounty | and interactive |
| 03:16.32 | JademusSreg | Doing shooters in SC2 is a bit like kicking a dog; you might enjoy it a bit, but it would be so much better to kick the asshole who made you angry enough to kick the dog in the first place, |
| 03:16.34 | Bounty | like exploding barrels n shit |
| 03:16.46 | JademusSreg | Which is to say, doing FPS/TPS in SC@ doesn't scratch the ithc. |
| 03:16.58 | JademusSreg | *SC2 *itch |
| 03:16.59 | Bounty | but u just tested it Jade |
| 03:17.02 | Bounty | its 100% accurate lol |
| 03:17.05 | Bounty | i dont see the problem |
| 03:17.10 | JademusSreg | It is good, yup. |
| 03:17.15 | JademusSreg | Worth developing. |
| 03:18.31 | Bounty | yeah but with what im saying |
| 03:18.32 | Bounty | would it be fun |
| 03:18.34 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:18.36 | Bounty | thats all im asking |
| 03:18.43 | Bounty | feel free to pitch in alpha_Vst |
| 03:18.49 | JademusSreg | But if you're going to do it, make it awesome. =) It'll never be "I'd rather play this map than Call of Duty Bazillion", but it can be good enough that people will play it over, say, BOTEC or whatever mid-popular maps areo ut there. |
| 03:19.26 | Bounty | well i just dont want to make shit loads of weapons n stuff |
| 03:19.30 | Bounty | i want one weapon |
| 03:19.38 | Bounty | but awesome interactive environment |
| 03:19.40 | Bounty | like u said |
| 03:19.43 | Bounty | destructible cover |
| 03:19.46 | Bounty | or w/e |
| 03:20.03 | JademusSreg | If the game is all about snipers, then I would ask in what setting do snipers really shine? |
| 03:20.15 | Bounty | like you mean the setting? |
| 03:20.21 | Bounty | environment? |
| 03:20.42 | Bounty | I wanna do it in an Egyptian Temple lol |
| 03:20.52 | TMA_Dryeyece | I really like games like that which will allow you to pick up an item and move it around, like in Half Life with the G gun |
| 03:20.53 | JademusSreg | Snipers historically have been invaluable in combat in urban and tropical theatres. |
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| 03:21.19 | TMA_Dryeyece | not necessarily the same though of course lol |
| 03:21.23 | Bounty | You dont like the whole Egyptian Temple setting? |
| 03:21.24 | JademusSreg | Suppression of forces, disruption of the chain of command by taking out officers and other leadership, psychological effect. |
| 03:21.50 | Bounty | Dryeye |
| 03:21.51 | JademusSreg | If I were doing a sniper map, I would set it in a goddamn warzone. |
| 03:22.05 | TMA_Dryeyece | Egyptian Temples sounds cool, kinda stargetey |
| 03:22.12 | TMA_Dryeyece | Stargatey |
| 03:22.15 | Bounty | You mean like this Dryeye? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5aLQo_AYNk |
| 03:22.24 | Bounty | with the G Gun |
| 03:22.28 | JademusSreg | I knew you would link it Bounty. =D |
| 03:22.32 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:22.34 | Bounty | ur damn right |
| 03:22.40 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 03:22.55 | Bounty | well i mean i get ur point jade |
| 03:23.02 | Bounty | but im not going for cinematic effect |
| 03:23.06 | Bounty | its pvp |
| 03:23.08 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 03:23.09 | Bounty | just the players |
| 03:23.14 | JademusSreg | Yup. |
| 03:23.15 | Bounty | not an entire fucking war going on |
| 03:23.16 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:23.18 | TMA_Dryeyece | no |
| 03:23.28 | AlphA_VsT | sorry i was trying to make it so you cant click through doodads |
| 03:23.30 | TMA_Dryeyece | like picking up a barrel thats in your way and moving it out of your way |
| 03:23.30 | AlphA_VsT | :( |
| 03:23.36 | Bounty | oh |
| 03:23.40 | Bounty | well |
| 03:23.45 | Bounty | my gravity gun can do that |
| 03:23.47 | Bounty | >< |
| 03:23.49 | TMA_Dryeyece | a simple act to be sure but not so simple to put into 1's and 0's I am sure |
| 03:23.54 | JademusSreg | But snipers hanging out shooting each other is going to make for either overly simple or overly trivial gameplay. |
| 03:24.08 | AlphA_VsT | what about the old sniper maps |
| 03:24.12 | AlphA_VsT | thats what it was |
| 03:24.13 | AlphA_VsT | :P |
| 03:24.14 | JademusSreg | They were terrible. |
| 03:24.14 | Bounty | ^ |
| 03:24.19 | Bounty | yeah |
| 03:24.24 | Bounty | bc they werent third person |
| 03:24.25 | Bounty | =P |
| 03:24.34 | Bounty | and remember jade |
| 03:24.36 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 03:24.36 | Bounty | the headshot thing |
| 03:24.42 | Bounty | so its not like u would dieng every 2 seconds |
| 03:24.44 | JademusSreg | Headshot thing is cool. |
| 03:24.55 | Bounty | but like i said |
| 03:24.56 | Bounty | i dont want any UI |
| 03:24.58 | Bounty | at all |
| 03:25.01 | Bounty | except maybe a leaderboard |
| 03:25.03 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 03:25.04 | Bounty | that u can toggle |
| 03:25.07 | AlphA_VsT | haha |
| 03:25.12 | Bounty | ill use the James Bond thing |
| 03:25.14 | Bounty | for displaying damage |
| 03:25.27 | AlphA_VsT | thats a custom ui thing |
| 03:25.27 | Bounty | tired of making stupid ass health bars n shit |
| 03:25.35 | Bounty | yeah but atleast its not a stupid ass health bar |
| 03:25.36 | JademusSreg | Haha, neat. |
| 03:25.37 | AlphA_VsT | you said no ui |
| 03:25.39 | Bounty | which ive made atleast 100000000000 of |
| 03:25.45 | Bounty | well fuck u |
| 03:25.48 | Bounty | stop calling me out |
| 03:25.50 | AlphA_VsT | fuck you |
| 03:25.51 | Bounty | on my contradictions |
| 03:25.54 | JademusSreg | Wakka wakka |
| 03:25.54 | Bounty | lolol |
| 03:25.56 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 03:26.03 | Bounty | FUKE YU |
| 03:26.10 | AlphA_VsT | so i almost got this |
| 03:26.55 | TMA_Dryeyece | lol |
| 03:27.14 | AlphA_VsT | no i dont :( |
| 03:34.16 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 03:36.10 | Bounty | back aswell |
| 03:37.20 | *** part/#sc2mapster TMA_Dryeyece (42520931@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.82.9.49) |
| 03:39.03 | *** join/#sc2mapster TMA_Dryeyece (42520931@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.82.9.49) |
| 03:39.11 | AlphA_VsT | i found a work around |
| 03:39.20 | AlphA_VsT | but how to implement it 0.o |
| 03:39.36 | AlphA_VsT | if you use a los blocker you cant click if you cant see behind it |
| 03:39.42 | AlphA_VsT | :P |
| 03:42.29 | AlphA_VsT | but i need a map revealer on my map :( |
| 03:51.42 | AlphA_VsT | wow that doesnt work |
| 03:54.05 | AlphA_VsT | is there a way to create directional visibility |
| 04:03.10 | JademusSreg | Not easily. |
| 04:03.33 | JademusSreg | You fake it. =D |
| 04:06.15 | Bounty | LOL |
| 04:06.16 | Bounty | wow |
| 04:06.21 | Bounty | i love it JademusSreg |
| 04:06.26 | Bounty | my entire shooting system |
| 04:06.28 | Bounty | just got fucked |
| 04:06.29 | Bounty | as usual |
| 04:06.45 | Bounty | apparently when u let go of the mouse button, that counts as a click to |
| 04:06.55 | Bounty | like WTF |
| 04:13.07 | Bounty | amazing how fast an entire project can be shut down by this bullshit lol |
| 04:13.21 | Bounty | back to the Agent map it is i suppose JademusSreg |
| 04:21.11 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 04:21.22 | JademusSreg | I am watching Scott Pilgrim vs The World. |
| 04:21.29 | JademusSreg | Pretty cool. |
| 04:23.44 | *** join/#sc2mapster RazielZ (~RazielZ@95.76.229.88) |
| 04:26.45 | LordAbyss | anyone know how to use photoshop, i am having a very simple problem and i am ignorant in the ways of ps |
| 04:32.05 | Nash|327 | bare minimum... |
| 04:32.50 | Nash|327 | but if it's a simple problem... |
| 04:37.59 | LordAbyss | i found a workaround |
| 04:39.17 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 04:39.20 | AlphA_VsT | ok then nm |
| 04:40.39 | JademusSreg | Photoshop is magic; consult a grimoire. |
| 04:40.59 | AlphA_VsT | its nto magic lol |
| 04:41.57 | JademusSreg | Everything is magic. Photoshops, how do they work? |
| 04:45.30 | LordAbyss | haha |
| 04:45.31 | LordAbyss | true |
| 04:45.39 | LordAbyss | i prefer code, it is my type of magic |
| 04:47.22 | Nash|327 | LIKE MAGNETS |
| 04:47.30 | JademusSreg | Nash gets it. =D |
| 04:47.55 | Nash|327 | what is this I don't even |
| 04:49.10 | AlphA_VsT | oh god |
| 04:49.37 | Nash|327 | onoes, memes |
| 04:57.56 | AlphA_VsT | i know right |
| 04:57.57 | AlphA_VsT | :( |
| 04:59.01 | Nash|327 | inorite |
| 04:59.21 | Nash|327 | the rare mineral |
| 05:04.04 | AlphA_VsT | did they remove the ability to create a ramp from the the height of 3 to 1 |
| 05:04.06 | AlphA_VsT | ? |
| 05:06.16 | AlphA_VsT | wtf |
| 05:06.57 | AlphA_VsT | this is bullshit |
| 05:08.27 | AlphA_VsT | how do you do it i know its possible |
| 05:09.33 | AlphA_VsT | anyone |
| 05:11.55 | Nash|327 | D_D |
| 05:14.13 | AlphA_VsT | fuck man |
| 05:14.23 | AlphA_VsT | how the fuck |
| 05:14.42 | AlphA_VsT | dont fucking tell me i cant do it |
| 05:14.44 | Nash|327 | more profanity should fix it |
| 05:16.10 | AlphA_VsT | it fucking should |
| 05:16.23 | AlphA_VsT | map from beta |
| 05:16.23 | AlphA_VsT | http://i.imgur.com/U78HQ.jpg |
| 05:16.44 | AlphA_VsT | i cant fucking recreate that ramp |
| 05:16.46 | AlphA_VsT | WTF |
| 05:17.21 | Nash|327 | that looks like 2 ramps though |
| 05:17.28 | AlphA_VsT | and i have 4 of them in the map |
| 05:19.58 | AlphA_VsT | really |
| 05:20.46 | AlphA_VsT | http://i.imgur.com/Rnn1I.jpg |
| 05:20.48 | AlphA_VsT | how about that one |
| 05:20.58 | AlphA_VsT | is that 2 ramps |
| 05:21.00 | AlphA_VsT | no its one |
| 05:21.20 | Nash|327 | yup |
| 05:21.38 | AlphA_VsT | please recreate that |
| 05:21.41 | AlphA_VsT | i fucking dare you |
| 05:25.22 | Nash|327 | 1 ramp + terrain height tool :P |
| 05:26.16 | AlphA_VsT | uh huh go ahead |
| 05:27.41 | Nash|327 | it looks kinda iffy, but someone who's good at that shit could do better |
| 05:29.52 | Mephs | alpha: on a scale from 1 to alpha_vst how badly do you talk too much |
| 05:29.52 | AlphA_VsT | ? |
| 05:30.17 | AlphA_VsT | 0.o |
| 05:30.26 | Mephs | jade: btw no that does not work, you can't apparently modify the font of chat text using sc2 layout files :S |
| 05:30.40 | Mephs | i can modify every other aspect of them but not the font style |
| 05:30.45 | AlphA_VsT | :( |
| 05:31.05 | Nash|327 | http://i.imgur.com/dO7lX.jpg |
| 05:31.13 | Nash|327 | there's my ugly ramp |
| 05:31.29 | Mephs | oo ramps |
| 05:31.34 | Mephs | they need to add more ramp levels |
| 05:31.39 | AlphA_VsT | mephs |
| 05:31.43 | Mephs | and also allow you to dynamically modify ramp levels of an area on the map in real time |
| 05:31.45 | AlphA_VsT | http://i.imgur.com/Rnn1I.jpg |
| 05:31.46 | Mephs | i.e. terrain deformation |
| 05:31.51 | AlphA_VsT | how the fuck did i do that |
| 05:32.07 | Mephs | do what, make a page 404? |
| 05:32.11 | Mephs | i dont know, brain malfunction probably |
| 05:32.26 | AlphA_VsT | how is it a 404 0.o |
| 05:32.32 | AlphA_VsT | http://i.imgur.com/Rnn1I.jpg |
| 05:32.33 | Mephs | nvm there it goes |
| 05:32.36 | Mephs | do what |
| 05:32.41 | AlphA_VsT | the ramp |
| 05:32.49 | Mephs | i imagine you picked the ramp tool |
| 05:32.51 | Mephs | and made a ramp |
| 05:32.57 | AlphA_VsT | its 2 levels though |
| 05:32.58 | AlphA_VsT | 0.o |
| 05:33.01 | AlphA_VsT | i did it in beta |
| 05:33.04 | AlphA_VsT | now i cant do it |
| 05:33.12 | Mephs | idk |
| 05:33.18 | AlphA_VsT | its one ramp |
| 05:33.24 | Mephs | better question is |
| 05:33.27 | Mephs | why the fuck are you on a mac |
| 05:33.33 | AlphA_VsT | <3 |
| 05:33.48 | Mephs | fucking hipster |
| 05:33.55 | AlphA_VsT | fuck no |
| 05:34.03 | AlphA_VsT | its a cute mac mini |
| 05:34.07 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 05:34.16 | Mephs | i said "fucking hipster" dont need to dig yourself deeper |
| 05:34.47 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 05:34.54 | AlphA_VsT | im getting angry at this ramp |
| 05:34.57 | AlphA_VsT | :( |
| 05:36.52 | Mephs | punch it |
| 05:37.10 | AlphA_VsT | you also used to be able to put a ramp on each corner |
| 05:37.12 | AlphA_VsT | 0.o |
| 05:37.17 | AlphA_VsT | and have a hill |
| 05:39.52 | Mephs | i used to be able to divide by zero once too |
| 05:39.56 | Mephs | those days are long gone |
| 05:39.59 | Mephs | enjoy it while you are young |
| 05:41.24 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 05:41.30 | AlphA_VsT | im about to make a post about it :( |
| 05:43.01 | JademusSreg | Font size and shit is modified via the font style file, FontStyles.SC2Style |
| 05:44.03 | JademusSreg | You define which font style a frame uses in a SC2Layout GameUI.SC2Layout. |
| 05:44.18 | JademusSreg | Typo. Fuck it. |
| 05:47.30 | JademusSreg | Custom font style files and layout files have to be referenced by the Game UI data since patch 1.3 or so. |
| 05:48.47 | AlphA_VsT | JademusSreg, do you know how i created this ramp http://i.imgur.com/Rnn1I.jpg? |
| 05:50.24 | Nash|327 | fucking magic :/ |
| 05:50.36 | AlphA_VsT | i remember all you had to do was fucking click the cliff :( |
| 05:51.01 | Nash|327 | I'm stuck with this shit: http://i.imgur.com/TOTPY.jpg |
| 05:52.34 | AlphA_VsT | yeah see its like the removed the ability to create them :( |
| 05:53.07 | JademusSreg | I think you're correct Alph. |
| 05:55.38 | Nash|327 | if you do them now you get holes in your terrain |
| 05:55.45 | Nash|327 | into UTTER BLACKNESS |
| 05:57.50 | AlphA_VsT | yeah |
| 05:58.04 | AlphA_VsT | this pisses me off |
| 05:58.18 | Mephs | jade: i'm using a font that's in the system "header18" to be exact |
| 05:58.43 | AlphA_VsT | http://i.imgur.com/PvTDu.jpg sexy terrian |
| 05:58.44 | AlphA_VsT | 0.o |
| 05:59.04 | Mephs | i tried all number of built in styles and none work |
| 05:59.11 | Mephs | they work for every other chat frame but not the chatdisplay frame |
| 05:59.30 | AlphA_VsT | :( |
| 05:59.54 | JademusSreg | I'll pastebin what I used in one of my maps, if you'd like to compare. |
| 06:00.21 | Mephs | sure |
| 06:00.25 | Mephs | idk what i'm doing wrong |
| 06:00.29 | AlphA_VsT | For example, you can link cliff level 3 to cliff level 1 with a ramp if you wanted. from http://sc2armory.com/forums/topic/14794 |
| 06:00.33 | AlphA_VsT | im not crazy |
| 06:00.36 | Mephs | i have quintuple checked everything, i'm derping somewhere or it just isn't possible |
| 06:01.44 | JademusSreg | I'll paste the contents of my GameUI.SC2LayoutFile at the top of the paste, and my font style shit at the bottom. |
| 06:01.52 | Mephs | kay |
| 06:03.15 | JademusSreg | http://pastebin.com/vkuKvrzc |
| 06:04.37 | Mephs | ok ok |
| 06:04.38 | Mephs | so |
| 06:04.42 | Mephs | there's no style modifications in yours |
| 06:04.46 | Mephs | until the bottom part |
| 06:04.51 | Mephs | which appears to change the font height to 15 in chatdisplay |
| 06:04.54 | Mephs | and thats it |
| 06:04.58 | Mephs | correct? |
| 06:05.45 | JademusSreg | Yes. I chose to apply the style change by the font style rather than implementing it per frame, but to do it per frame, <Style val="nameOfTheFontStyle"/> |
| 06:06.02 | Mephs | yeah see thats the problem was i am donig it the way you mentioned |
| 06:06.06 | Mephs | it doesn't seem to affect the font at all |
| 06:07.13 | Mephs | anyone on sc2 want to test some hot shit |
| 06:07.14 | Mephs | rq |
| 06:07.34 | Nash|327 | get your shit while it's hot |
| 06:07.38 | JademusSreg | I've got shit to do tomorrow. How long? |
| 06:07.44 | Mephs | like 2.5 minutes maximum |
| 06:07.50 | JademusSreg | Cool. |
| 06:08.13 | JademusSreg | Which channel? |
| 06:08.17 | Mephs | Smashcraft |
| 06:08.20 | Mephs | i'll invite to game |
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| 06:11.17 | JB4times4 | Hello. |
| 06:11.34 | JB4times4 | Did blizzard patch something that broke heros in the last 3 months sometime? |
| 06:12.04 | AlphA_VsT | they broke a lot of shit like RAMPS!!!!! |
| 06:12.04 | AlphA_VsT | grrr |
| 06:12.16 | JB4times4 | lol |
| 06:12.17 | AlphA_VsT | goodnight |
| 06:18.28 | Mephs | thx |
| 06:27.32 | Nash|327 | any EU peeps up yet? |
| 06:27.54 | Nash|327 | I need 2 testers to test kickvote :G |
| 06:40.54 | Nash|327 | pewpew |
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| 07:31.28 | Nash|327 | anyone on EU available for testage? |
| 07:33.11 | Nash|327 | won't take long |
| 07:34.28 | Nash|327 | well I'll be on bnet dicking around |
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| 08:14.48 | Nash|327 | :G |
| 08:14.53 | Nash|327 | bored |
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| 08:26.08 | Ekals | Anyone here? |
| 08:28.22 | Mephs | no |
| 08:28.49 | Ekals | I've run into a problem where my units cannot cast abilities; I figure it something wrong with the actors. |
| 08:29.06 | Ekals | It just does that thing where it looks like an ability has infinite casting time. |
| 08:29.24 | Ekals | All abilities under my units have this problem -- even if the ability is a default ladder ability. |
| 08:29.40 | Ekals | Anyone run into this problem before? |
| 08:44.00 | Nash|327 | :G |
| 08:45.35 | Ekals | well, here's an easier question (hopefully). |
| 08:46.05 | Ekals | I'm trying to give certain abilities to towers but they can only cast the ability at 0 range away (i.e. directly ontop of themselves) |
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| 09:40.47 | Nash|327 | Ekals: did you change the ability range? |
| 09:41.08 | Ekals | it was the arc. Towers can't turn. |
| 09:41.31 | Ekals | just gave all abilities 360 arc and now I'm good |
| 09:41.45 | Nash|327 | right |
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| 09:42.50 | Nash|327 | dammit where are the europeans with nothing better to do :P |
| 09:43.42 | Nash|327 | I require a test |
| 09:49.52 | Nash|327 | difficulty in finding testers is the #1 reason for slowing down release :/ |
| 09:51.21 | Nash|327 | and when you can't test you spend time adding features instead |
| 09:51.26 | Nash|327 | which means more to test |
| 09:51.28 | Nash|327 | :P |
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| 09:56.37 | Mexa | mornin' |
| 10:06.00 | Stewox | nash|327 |
| 10:06.05 | Stewox | i can test |
| 10:06.34 | Stewox | still have some time before i go outside to city |
| 10:06.42 | Stewox | you need to test a map right ' |
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| 10:08.19 | blub_ | Nash|327: test for what? :P |
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| 10:11.15 | burne- | hello |
| 10:11.56 | blub_ | burne-: how's it going? |
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| 10:12.11 | burne- | the same as yesterday |
| 10:12.18 | burne- | i uploaded video of our awesome game |
| 10:12.22 | burne- | and how i beat you |
| 10:12.22 | burne- | :) |
| 10:12.38 | burne- | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CP51-lC1RM |
| 10:13.13 | blub_ | pfff |
| 10:13.16 | blub_ | pure luck :P |
| 10:13.25 | burne- | ^^ |
| 10:13.34 | burne- | I was wondering what I should add next |
| 10:13.40 | burne- | weapons or more tracks |
| 10:13.51 | burne- | I could also add it so you could upgrade your car |
| 10:13.55 | burne- | or change parts |
| 10:13.56 | blub_ | a trigger that when somebody gets pushed out of the track |
| 10:14.00 | blub_ | he either gets reset to start |
| 10:14.03 | blub_ | or "killed" |
| 10:14.05 | blub_ | and lost the round :P |
| 10:14.17 | blub_ | or, lives, like, you get back 3 times, then you're dead |
| 10:14.18 | blub_ | or something |
| 10:14.21 | burne- | but its too hard to dooooo :( |
| 10:14.40 | blub_ | just put a region around the whole track |
| 10:14.49 | blub_ | and a trigger that when something leaves, it gets removed |
| 10:14.51 | burne- | I guess i could do that |
| 10:15.05 | blub_ | and the owning player gets a message "you died" |
| 10:15.51 | burne- | but im not in a mood for that really :D |
| 10:15.55 | burne- | i wana do something else |
| 10:15.57 | blub_ | ^^ |
| 10:16.11 | blub_ | wanna test sth with me? :P |
| 10:16.18 | burne- | even tought it probly really bothers bad players, it doesnt bother me :D |
| 10:16.33 | burne- | in a min |
| 10:16.41 | blub_ | ye gotta upload first anyway =) |
| 10:16.51 | burne- | Im wondering if I should do work or test :D |
| 10:16.57 | blub_ | hehe |
| 10:17.06 | blub_ | I just wanna see if I'm lacking any "multiple-player" triggers |
| 10:17.16 | blub_ | or if you can see what you need to see and do what you need to do ^^ |
| 10:17.20 | Mexa | fukking yes! That black dot in my mouth disappeared over sleep and breakfast :D |
| 10:17.34 | Mexa | I don't have to worry about it anymore |
| 10:17.35 | Mexa | :) |
| 10:17.58 | blub_ | pff, I still have a painful wound in my mouth :p |
| 10:18.37 | burne- | Im really stressed out, cause I should be calling various of places to get "practice work job" for summer |
| 10:18.46 | burne- | but iv already done it so much |
| 10:19.00 | burne- | and all are saying like "no dont come here" |
| 10:19.07 | blub_ | I'll be lazy this summer... |
| 10:19.11 | burne- | losing my faith |
| 10:19.15 | blub_ | well ... "lazy"... working on my own projects |
| 10:19.32 | blub_ | they may pay off though... in... many many years ^ |
| 10:19.45 | burne- | what projects? |
| 10:19.46 | Mexa | burne-, you're a fan of super eurobeat I imagine? |
| 10:19.54 | burne- | yea :D |
| 10:19.57 | Mexa | :) |
| 10:20.02 | blub_ | just some game projects =) |
| 10:20.15 | burne- | even tough its mega man music on the video |
| 10:20.28 | burne- | outside sc2? |
| 10:20.37 | blub_ | lol yea |
| 10:20.45 | blub_ | sc2 is just for fun ^^ |
| 10:20.48 | burne- | aww I wish i could do stuff like that |
| 10:21.03 | burne- | Im too lazy to learn anything |
| 10:21.08 | blub_ | well, you just need to find something you can do :P |
| 10:22.08 | blub_ | and a place to use it :P |
| 10:22.36 | blub_ | the first part is easy... the second part ... depends, if you don't want money for it, there are enough open source projects |
| 10:22.53 | blub_ | otherwise... you need to get noticed / apply for a job / start something yourself |
| 10:23.13 | burne- | I think i would do it for funziez, or maybe if I would get really good, then get a job |
| 10:23.59 | blub_ | open source projects are always a good place to get started - to get to know some kind of workflow etc... |
| 10:24.10 | blub_ | burne-: you ready yet? ^^ |
| 10:24.18 | burne- | im ready |
| 10:24.29 | blub_ | k, then hop into the ingame channel :D |
| 10:24.33 | burne- | k |
| 10:24.34 | burne- | kay |
| 10:24.47 | burne- | how do you whisper like that |
| 10:24.56 | blub_ | whisper? |
| 10:24.56 | burne- | Its getting anoying that I dont know how to do it |
| 10:24.57 | burne- | :D |
| 10:25.04 | burne- | like that pop out stuff |
| 10:25.24 | burne- | aa |
| 10:25.27 | blub_ | highlighting? just use a nickname in the message |
| 10:25.27 | burne- | ee |
| 10:25.42 | burne- | blubl_ does it work |
| 10:25.50 | blub_ | there's an l too much :P |
| 10:26.02 | burne- | blub_ now?= |
| 10:26.21 | blub_ | also, I'm using irssi, so I don't get any sound etc. I just see your name in yellow where you mentioned my name |
| 10:26.32 | burne- | its red for me |
| 10:26.35 | burne- | i mean |
| 10:26.37 | burne- | when it pops out |
| 10:26.41 | burne- | :D |
| 10:27.04 | burne- | my sc2 starting slowlyyy |
| 10:27.18 | burne- | yea |
| 10:27.26 | blub_ | channel notices work, yay xD |
| 10:28.03 | burne- | does it say lorem isuptum for you too on new maps? |
| 10:28.05 | burne- | whats up with that? |
| 10:28.31 | burne- | when someone invites you to a game |
| 10:28.50 | blub_ | never noticed |
| 10:35.32 | burne- | what a cool game :D |
| 10:36.08 | blub_ | pf ^^ |
| 10:36.23 | blub_ | I need to make it "multiplayer" compatible :P |
| 10:36.38 | blub_ | the starting dialog always uses "all players" atm :P for all triggers |
| 10:36.40 | blub_ | gotta fix that |
| 10:36.57 | blub_ | otherwise the gate won't open :P |
| 10:37.05 | blub_ | well, "barrier", not gate ^^ |
| 10:37.49 | burne- | :) |
| 10:37.57 | burne- | I used to do that mistake too |
| 10:38.00 | Mexa | did you guys start yet'? |
| 10:38.52 | blub_ | I just wish you could set the mouse cursor for a specific player |
| 10:39.13 | blub_ | that's a key functionality :/ |
| 10:39.37 | burne- | :/ |
| 10:39.47 | burne- | where would you need that? |
| 10:39.54 | blub_ | when you click a gem in the inventory :P |
| 10:39.59 | blub_ | to get the "selection" cursor :P |
| 10:40.09 | blub_ | currently I only set the highlighting cursor for the towers to be gem images :P |
| 10:41.26 | Mexa | blub_, burne- are you playing right now or did I miss the start? |
| 10:41.35 | burne- | we are not playing anything -_- |
| 10:41.36 | blub_ | missed it :P |
| 10:41.41 | Mexa | aw |
| 10:41.42 | blub_ | but I forgot to update the dependency on battle.net anyway |
| 10:41.45 | burne- | well if you could call that playing :D |
| 10:41.45 | blub_ | which broke everything ^^ |
| 10:41.53 | blub_ | need to test in a minute gaian :P |
| 10:41.57 | burne- | k |
| 10:42.08 | Mexa | well, if you are, feel free to vouche me |
| 10:42.20 | blub_ | kk |
| 10:45.06 | blub_ | uploading |
| 10:46.22 | blub_ | ah, missed a tiny thing ^^ |
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| 10:47.25 | burne- | ffs |
| 10:47.31 | burne- | get yourself together! :D |
| 10:47.54 | blub_ | I am XD |
| 10:47.55 | burne- | alltought I know again...you wana test the map so badly you forget little things :9 |
| 10:48.06 | blub_ | yes |
| 10:48.09 | blub_ | it's far from done anyway |
| 10:48.13 | blub_ | nothing happens after the waves |
| 10:48.14 | blub_ | ^^ |
| 10:49.07 | blub_ | okay uploading ^^ |
| 10:49.18 | burne- | im gona play drivers one game |
| 10:49.21 | burne- | friend wana see it |
| 10:49.28 | blub_ | done xD |
| 10:49.41 | blub_ | Mexa: *ping* |
| 10:49.49 | Mexa | pingpong |
| 10:49.57 | blub_ | are you in the ingame channel? |
| 10:50.03 | burne- | I am |
| 10:50.07 | burne- | but i plawy one race |
| 10:50.12 | blub_ | sure |
| 10:50.16 | Mexa | Let me get on really wuick |
| 10:50.21 | Mexa | q |
| 10:50.39 | blub_ | I put way more work in the map than what it looks like xD |
| 10:51.12 | blub_ | the whole thing is very dynamic... triggers for waves, for spawning at the spawnpoints etc. are dynamically created, so to add more maps I just need to call "Setup Map For Region <region of next map part>" |
| 10:51.44 | blub_ | s/to add more maps/to add more map parts/ ^^ (it'll be a labyrinth, just like GemCraft-Labyrinth :P) |
| 10:51.51 | blub_ | lots of small TD parts ^^ |
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| 11:00.23 | lefix| | nice, my map has 3 seconds playtime, and it wasn't me! |
| 11:10.05 | blub_ | Okay I think I fixed all the dialog show/hide params ^^ |
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| 11:25.10 | Nash|327 | D:D: |
| 11:25.29 | Nash|327 | slaps Mexa|Afk around a bit with a large trout |
| 11:27.46 | Mexa|Afk | D: |
| 11:27.59 | Mexa|Afk | Mind you, I am trying to eat my nuggets here |
| 11:28.14 | Mexa|Afk | throws a kitteh at Nash|327 |
| 11:29.02 | Nash|327 | noes |
| 11:29.07 | Nash|327 | get on SC2 D: |
| 11:29.25 | Mexa|Afk | Later on today if I have time Nash |
| 11:29.45 | Nash|327 | D:! |
| 11:29.49 | Mexa|Afk | I have class in about 1½ hour, and I am getting myself prepped for that |
| 11:29.55 | Mexa|Afk | Silly matlab, you know. |
| 11:30.08 | Nash|327 | matlab is evil |
| 11:30.33 | Mexa|Afk | Sadly, I don't have a workaround for that. |
| 11:31.33 | Nash|327 | it's almost 13:37 |
| 11:31.40 | Nash|327 | clearly time for gaming |
| 11:32.06 | Nash|327 | leeeeet |
| 11:32.34 | Mexa|Afk | lol |
| 11:32.55 | Mexa|Afk | Can't now though. Another time :| |
| 11:33.29 | Nash|327 | going to class is so unnecessary |
| 11:33.48 | Mexa|Afk | I rather |
| 11:33.55 | Mexa|Afk | Since it is a lab |
| 11:34.02 | Nash|327 | ew |
| 11:34.09 | Nash|327 | that's evil |
| 11:34.26 | Mexa|Afk | yea |
| 11:34.50 | Mexa|Afk | Nash, http://schema.bth.se/4DACTION/WebShowSearch/1/1-0?wv_type=6&wv_ts=20110328T223311X9202&wv_search=et1403&wv_startWeek=1113&wv_stopWeek=1130&wv_first=0&wv_addObj=&wv_delObj=&wv_obj1=11287000&wv_obj2=16612000&wv_obj3=16698000&wv_graphic=Grafiskt+format |
| 11:34.54 | Mexa|Afk | lollink |
| 11:35.09 | Mexa|Afk | Come again on th evenin or on thursday or something |
| 11:35.34 | Nash|327 | same system as Chalmers D_D |
| 11:35.38 | Mexa|Afk | Though, I am going to my parents during easter. |
| 11:35.42 | Mexa|Afk | Hah, really? |
| 11:35.46 | Nash|327 | yas |
| 11:35.48 | Nash|327 | TimeEdit |
| 11:35.54 | Mexa|Afk | :p k |
| 11:36.16 | Nash|327 | bah parents over SC2 |
| 11:36.21 | Nash|327 | priorities |
| 11:36.27 | Mexa|Afk | lol |
| 11:36.35 | Mexa|Afk | aunt and cousins too |
| 11:36.48 | Nash|327 | D_D |
| 11:36.58 | Mexa|Afk | I might be able to play at my parent too yaknow |
| 11:37.00 | blub_ | Mexa|Afk, burne-: Question about my map if you care: Killing creep brings mana - should the mana be added to all the players, or just the one who kills it? |
| 11:37.02 | Mexa|Afk | I bring my laptop everywhere |
| 11:37.25 | Nash|327 | :G |
| 11:37.31 | blub_ | basically, at a laster point, it might happen that everyone fires 10 shots, but only one actually kills the creep, then it kinda sucks if only that one gets the money |
| 11:37.35 | blub_ | later* |
| 11:37.37 | Mexa|Afk | blub_ I'd do it for the ntire team. |
| 11:37.46 | blub_ | yea |
| 11:37.47 | Nash|327 | kill based systems suck |
| 11:37.54 | blub_ | then I can simply multiply the creep HP with the # of players ^^ |
| 11:37.59 | Nash|327 | especially if you have healer/support type guys |
| 11:38.04 | blub_ | Nash|327: you also get it by time |
| 11:38.14 | blub_ | and with a "mana" gem, every hit |
| 11:38.40 | blub_ | once it's all implemented you can also upgrade the mana/time generation |
| 11:39.02 | Nash|327 | but can you spawn more overlords? |
| 11:39.13 | blub_ | overlords? |
| 11:39.28 | Nash|327 | The point of StarCraft is to SPAWN MORE OVERLORDS |
| 11:39.36 | Nash|327 | or CONSTRUCT ADDITIONAL PYLONS |
| 11:39.49 | blub_ | right... :P |
| 11:39.51 | Nash|327 | :G |
| 11:39.58 | blub_ | no, if anything, there will be overlord-shaped creeps! |
| 11:41.17 | burne- | dunno blub |
| 11:41.44 | burne- | I guess if its gona be same monsters for al lI would prefer if its shared mana for everyone |
| 11:41.54 | burne- | or atleast some of it |
| 11:42.16 | Nash|327 | I added energy packs today |
| 11:42.18 | Nash|327 | Batteries! |
| 11:42.55 | Nash|327 | Medkits for energy |
| 11:43.41 | Nash|327 | still need to test the damn kickvote though |
| 11:43.43 | blub_ | well, that really is better |
| 11:43.47 | blub_ | considering you die when you run out of mana :P |
| 11:44.10 | Nash|327 | kickvote and sound bug, that's all |
| 11:44.20 | Nash|327 | no wait, the attribute pickups D_D |
| 11:44.25 | Nash|327 | 3 things |
| 11:44.31 | Nash|327 | then release :G |
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| 11:46.45 | Nash|327 | just annoying when you need other people to test |
| 11:46.59 | Nash|327 | hands are tied :G |
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| 11:53.32 | syltman | Isn |
| 11:53.51 | syltman | 't it possible to set a variable array to a constant variable? |
| 11:55.14 | Kueken | no |
| 11:56.04 | syltman | god damnit blizz |
| 11:58.10 | Kueken | yes |
| 11:58.25 | burne- | is there no way to use multiple tilesets?!?!? |
| 11:58.29 | burne- | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 11:58.36 | Kueken | you can replace textures |
| 11:58.39 | burne- | i dont wan my driving map be all sand sand sand |
| 11:58.44 | burne- | but its limited to 8? |
| 11:58.45 | Mexa|Afk | syltman, why do you need that? |
| 11:58.47 | burne- | 9 choises |
| 11:58.49 | burne- | 8 |
| 11:58.52 | Kueken | but you cannot use more than 8 or so |
| 11:58.58 | burne- | noooooooo |
| 11:58.59 | burne- | :( |
| 11:59.05 | Mexa|Afk | You can do whatever you want to do with an array without it being constant |
| 11:59.13 | Kueken | mexa: who wouldn't need that? |
| 11:59.24 | syltman | Mexa, I'm gonna fill up my map with blocks which I need to be able to manipulate |
| 11:59.26 | Kueken | not the array should be constant |
| 11:59.31 | Kueken | just the size |
| 11:59.34 | syltman | if I can store them as a 2d variable with X Y |
| 11:59.41 | syltman | that'd be sweet |
| 11:59.47 | Kueken | it would indeed... |
| 11:59.47 | Mexa|Afk | the array size can be constant |
| 11:59.55 | Kueken | not a constant variable |
| 12:00.01 | Mexa|Afk | yes |
| 12:00.01 | Kueken | which means |
| 12:00.17 | Kueken | if you want to use the same size for like 30 array objects |
| 12:00.25 | Kueken | and something forces you to change the size |
| 12:00.27 | Mexa|Afk | oh, he want the opposite, dynamic allocation? |
| 12:00.36 | Kueken | you need to change 30 sizes instead of 1 variable |
| 12:00.47 | syltman | well it will do with const |
| 12:01.02 | Mexa|Afk | const int i = 5; int[i] somearray; |
| 12:01.04 | Mexa|Afk | no? |
| 12:01.08 | Kueken | no |
| 12:01.09 | Kueken | ! |
| 12:01.17 | Mexa|Afk | Then what |
| 12:01.23 | Mexa|Afk | It works.' |
| 12:01.24 | Kueken | thats what he want |
| 12:01.26 | Kueken | no |
| 12:01.30 | Kueken | it doesnt |
| 12:01.33 | Mexa|Afk | does |
| 12:01.40 | Kueken | since when? |
| 12:01.47 | syltman | unit[11][11] Wall; Wall[X][Y] = libNtve_gf_CreateUnitsAtPoint2(1, "Wall_Dirt", 0, 0, Point(X, Y)); |
| 12:01.49 | Mexa|Afk | Since always |
| 12:02.22 | Kueken | galaxy does not support constant variables for array sizes |
| 12:02.27 | Kueken | period |
| 12:02.47 | syltman | and well I want it to be instead unit[DX][DY] whereas DX and DY is a distance between two points |
| 12:02.52 | Mexa|Afk | Let me prove you wrong |
| 12:03.05 | Kueken | yes please |
| 12:03.25 | Mexa|Afk | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/galaxy-scripting-and-trigger-lib/19451-input-a-script-to-capture-key-and-mouse-input/ there you go |
| 12:03.51 | Mexa|Afk | Unless I ofcourse misinterpret what you are saying |
| 12:04.02 | Kueken | thats not galaxy |
| 12:04.08 | Mexa|Afk | are you dumb? |
| 12:04.08 | grim001 | dont worry, I will be fixing such shortcomings. |
| 12:04.09 | Kueken | seems to be andromeda or something |
| 12:04.15 | Mexa|Afk | It's galaxy |
| 12:04.16 | Mexa|Afk | =_= |
| 12:04.23 | grim001 | Kueken, that's galaxy. |
| 12:04.31 | Kueken | it is? |
| 12:04.42 | grim001 | what do you think galaxy is supposed to look like? |
| 12:04.43 | Kueken | since when constants for array sizes are supported? |
| 12:04.50 | Mexa|Afk | Since always |
| 12:05.14 | Kueken | I am pretty sure tons of people kept complaining about how it wasn't |
| 12:05.17 | Mexa|Afk | int[5] is also a constant value |
| 12:05.20 | blub_ | so long as you define them actually as "const" :) |
| 12:05.21 | Mexa|Afk | the 5 |
| 12:05.22 | Mexa|Afk | so. |
| 12:05.25 | Kueken | yes |
| 12:05.40 | Mexa|Afk | it doesn't support non-constant literals |
| 12:05.54 | blub_ | a smart comipler replaces any "a" defined as "const int a = 5" by 5 :P or simply makes no distinction between immediate values and constant values :P |
| 12:06.04 | Kueken | I know that |
| 12:06.19 | Mexa|Afk | Well, Kueken, it works anyway:> |
| 12:06.27 | Kueken | okay o_0 |
| 12:06.29 | blub_ | though |
| 12:06.32 | blub_ | it doesn't work :P |
| 12:06.41 | Mexa|Afk | lolwhat |
| 12:06.45 | blub_ | I just tried it :S |
| 12:06.49 | Mexa|Afk | It works |
| 12:06.51 | blub_ | maybe it only works in globals? |
| 12:07.03 | Mexa|Afk | you can't have const local variables |
| 12:07.19 | blub_ | const int myconst = 5; |
| 12:07.23 | blub_ | int test[myconst]; |
| 12:07.32 | blub_ | syntax error |
| 12:07.33 | Mexa|Afk | int[myconst] test; |
| 12:07.37 | blub_ | oh |
| 12:07.37 | Mexa|Afk | that's how. |
| 12:07.38 | blub_ | stupid language |
| 12:07.45 | Mexa|Afk | meh |
| 12:07.48 | Mexa|Afk | It's like C# |
| 12:07.52 | Mexa|Afk | on that part |
| 12:07.52 | blub_ | okay that works |
| 12:07.53 | Kueken | well, I must have misinterpreted a serious amount of people in this case o_0 |
| 12:07.58 | blub_ | C# IS stupid... :P |
| 12:08.04 | Mexa|Afk | C# is nice |
| 12:08.07 | Mexa|Afk | :> |
| 12:08.12 | Mexa|Afk | Whatever, taste is taste |
| 12:08.19 | blub_ | and some tastes are wrong :P |
| 12:08.22 | Mexa|Afk | lol |
| 12:08.26 | blub_ | ;) |
| 12:08.39 | blub_ | grrr |
| 12:08.43 | blub_ | stupid trigger won't fire |
| 12:08.55 | blub_ | Unit - Any Unit takes Non-Fatal Any damage (from Any effects) |
| 12:09.00 | blub_ | ... why doesn#t it fire? |
| 12:09.05 | Mexa|Afk | Syntax is syntax though. It shouldn't be hard to remember once you get hold of it the first time |
| 12:09.08 | blub_ | or is it because the damage is 0 + (behavior's damage) |
| 12:09.19 | *** join/#sc2mapster rynti (557f7556@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.127.117.86) |
| 12:09.22 | Mexa|Afk | no idea there. |
| 12:09.34 | blub_ | gonna chnage the damage to check :S |
| 12:09.54 | Mexa|Afk | Also, Kueken, pardon me for asking you if you were dumb :P |
| 12:10.22 | Kueken | well, sorry for persisting on false assumptions o_0 |
| 12:10.33 | Kueken | where did I get this wrong? |
| 12:10.41 | Kueken | is it possible in Gui? |
| 12:10.53 | Mexa|Afk | I haven't tried there |
| 12:11.13 | Mexa|Afk | Gui does alot of things you don't suspect. |
| 12:11.16 | Kueken | maybe people were complaining about gui, and I misinterpreted that |
| 12:11.17 | blub_ | probably not in the gui since it has spin buttons for it |
| 12:11.24 | blub_ | gui is very limited :P |
| 12:11.33 | blub_ | no TriggerCreate(), no TriggerAddEvent*(), no TriggerDestroy() ^^ |
| 12:11.36 | Kueken | actually it is quite nice in sc2 |
| 12:11.38 | blub_ | the MOST useful functions when creating dialogs... |
| 12:11.39 | Mexa|Afk | Kueken, or it was due to the order of the array declaration |
| 12:11.42 | Kueken | compared to the wc3 gui |
| 12:11.47 | blub_ | to attach trigger functions to buttons properly |
| 12:11.52 | syltman | grim001, how's the galaxy preprocessor coming along? |
| 12:12.03 | Nash|327 | bag kittuns |
| 12:12.12 | grim001 | it's a compiler now, not a preprocessor |
| 12:12.13 | blub_ | okay no, damage 1, still no effect |
| 12:12.13 | blub_ | grr |
| 12:12.19 | grim001 | and it's coming along pretty well |
| 12:12.28 | blub_ | this is annoying now :O |
| 12:12.32 | Mexa|Afk | It's far superior, but that drop and drag and windows here and there and silly windows for calculating math is just not my cup of tea |
| 12:12.35 | blub_ | maybe damage is never considered nonfatal? |
| 12:12.47 | syltman | Good, galaxy is unbearable atm |
| 12:13.01 | Mexa|Afk | writing int x = 5 + 2 + 3 + 4; is so much faster than the corresponding gui versionm |
| 12:13.10 | Mexa|Afk | unless not using custom script |
| 12:13.12 | Stewox | why syltman |
| 12:13.19 | *** join/#sc2mapster AlphA_VsT (~Joeffect@c-24-5-9-172.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 12:13.22 | blub_ | but you can always use "custom values" in the GUI versions of functions |
| 12:13.27 | blub_ | if you don't want to remember all their names |
| 12:13.44 | blub_ | or if you have a custom library and don't want to type libOMGLOLG_gf_ blah all the time |
| 12:14.04 | syltman | Stewox, no struct methods, no function pointers and shitty output messages to name a few |
| 12:14.06 | Mexa|Afk | nomnom, more french fries and nuggets on the way |
| 12:14.10 | Mexa|Afk | Hi Alpha |
| 12:14.14 | Kueken | some nice autocompletion tool and everything is fine ;) |
| 12:14.22 | Mexa|Afk | Alpha_vst |
| 12:14.22 | blub_ | syltman: but! |
| 12:14.30 | blub_ | you may not have function pointers |
| 12:14.37 | blub_ | but you can execute them by "name" |
| 12:14.42 | blub_ | with dynamic string identifiers |
| 12:14.44 | blub_ | :P |
| 12:14.45 | Stewox | well i should agree syltman , it's not the best of the languages :P |
| 12:14.54 | blub_ | it's a bit limited/annoying, but works |
| 12:14.57 | Stewox | output messages you mean , poor debug and parser ? |
| 12:15.02 | blub_ | TriggerCreate("MyFunction_" + IntToString(id)); |
| 12:15.14 | blub_ | TriggerAddEventTimeElapsed(that trigger, 0.1, c_timeGame); |
| 12:15.30 | blub_ | and you have to end the MyFunction_ with TriggerDestroy(TriggerGetCurrent()) to not leak triggers |
| 12:15.34 | Mexa|Afk | Once you have a good galaxy IDE, it will be much better |
| 12:15.42 | syltman | Stewox well all I get is syntax error if I get an error |
| 12:15.43 | Mexa|Afk | Silly editor. |
| 12:16.02 | blub_ | okay |
| 12:16.06 | syltman | and yah the IDE is terrible, luckily notepad++ is there |
| 12:16.18 | blub_ | now I know my problem |
| 12:16.23 | blub_ | I onehitkilled >.< stupid me :D |
| 12:17.08 | Nash|327 | mexaface you have class in 45 min |
| 12:17.19 | Mexa|Afk | I sure do' |
| 12:17.31 | Stewox | syltman |
| 12:17.33 | Mexa|Afk | Good thing I am multitasking well today then |
| 12:17.43 | Nash|327 | Are you in school already? |
| 12:17.45 | Mexa|Afk | more food, clothes, star wars |
| 12:17.48 | Mexa|Afk | Nope |
| 12:18.01 | Mexa|Afk | But it's right down the hill |
| 12:18.02 | Stewox | i moded call of duty 2 and others > QuakeC scripting lang ... i think galaxy has no chance against that |
| 12:18.08 | Nash|327 | ah |
| 12:18.11 | Mexa|Afk | Takes me 5 minutes to walk or less:) |
| 12:18.15 | Nash|327 | not uphill in both directions? |
| 12:18.22 | blub_ | quakeC weee |
| 12:18.27 | Mexa|Afk | uphill home |
| 12:18.28 | blub_ | don't remind me |
| 12:18.29 | Mexa|Afk | :P |
| 12:18.38 | blub_ | I still need to finish the compiler to get rid of fteqcc :P |
| 12:18.51 | Nash|327 | well home you're never in a hurry |
| 12:18.53 | Mexa|Afk | Imagine how I can just sit on my bike and the only thing I have to worry about is braking. |
| 12:19.06 | Nash|327 | bikes are evil |
| 12:19.11 | Nash|327 | wobble wobble |
| 12:19.12 | Mexa|Afk | lol |
| 12:19.19 | Stewox | QuakeC is freaking hard but once you understand it's like everything opens for you to do |
| 12:19.25 | blub_ | great, SubString! now I can dynamically get the level of the behaviors to adjust triggered effects >:) |
| 12:19.26 | Mexa|Afk | Should I buy myself a car to drive those 200 meters? |
| 12:19.32 | blub_ | QC and hard? |
| 12:19.36 | Stewox | mainly understand the custom meanind |
| 12:19.42 | blub_ | what's hard is coping with the compiler bugs |
| 12:19.44 | Stewox | meaning of a specific game |
| 12:19.45 | Nash|327 | cars :/ |
| 12:19.51 | blub_ | right |
| 12:19.57 | blub_ | you gotta know the game to use qc properly, sure |
| 12:19.59 | Mexa|Afk | Nash, what else |
| 12:20.01 | Stewox | yes that too blub |
| 12:20.01 | Mexa|Afk | I can walk |
| 12:20.04 | Mexa|Afk | It's better |
| 12:20.09 | Mexa|Afk | or biking down |
| 12:20.14 | Mexa|Afk | I was pulling a funny |
| 12:20.19 | Mexa|Afk | durr. |
| 12:20.20 | Nash|327 | I walk mostly |
| 12:20.25 | Nash|327 | but I don't like bikes |
| 12:20.28 | Stewox | but that was a way better parser/debuger/complier than galaxy has .. and wait that was 6 years ago |
| 12:20.29 | Nash|327 | inlines are okay |
| 12:20.45 | blub_ | 6? no... |
| 12:20.48 | blub_ | longer, no? |
| 12:20.53 | Nash|327 | bikes are wobbly |
| 12:21.06 | Nash|327 | and too damn big |
| 12:21.34 | blub_ | Stewox: http://dev.xonotic.org/projects/bocc/roadmap |
| 12:21.37 | blub_ | Stewox: "soon" (haha) |
| 12:21.40 | Mexa|Afk | Suit yourself then:P |
| 12:21.44 | Nash|327 | SHOES WITH WHEELS |
| 12:21.49 | Nash|327 | :G |
| 12:22.02 | Mexa|Afk | Tho actually, i am probably just walking down with a friend of mine |
| 12:22.20 | Mexa|Afk | Anyways, the time it takes is short so |
| 12:22.23 | Stewox | galaxy is a different type of language from QuakeC |
| 12:22.25 | Mexa|Afk | No stresss just yet |
| 12:23.01 | Mexa|Afk | Nash, tho also, it's an academic quarter, so yay |
| 12:23.02 | Stewox | what's that blub |
| 12:23.14 | Mexa|Afk | :D even less stress |
| 12:23.42 | Nash|327 | THEN YOU LIED |
| 12:23.48 | Mexa|Afk | I didn't |
| 12:23.50 | Nash|327 | 1:30 is not 1:45 |
| 12:23.52 | Nash|327 | LIES |
| 12:23.59 | Mexa|Afk | :> |
| 12:24.05 | Mexa|Afk | Didn'¨t think about it back then |
| 12:24.16 | Nash|327 | LIES AND SLANDER |
| 12:24.18 | blub_ | Stewox: an in-the-works qc compiler, new/from scratch, with more modern techniques |
| 12:24.29 | Mexa|Afk | :g |
| 12:24.46 | Mexa|Afk | brb, gonna flip some fries and nuggets |
| 12:24.49 | blub_ | Stewox: well qc is a second supported language - it already works too - some little things need to be done tho before it can be used properly |
| 12:24.58 | Nash|327 | flip burgers D: |
| 12:25.01 | Nash|327 | at McD |
| 12:25.39 | Stewox | that's for older games i suppose ... you'll see IDTech 5 version :P , Call of duty 2 scripts had better complier and the code 6 years ago than SC2 |
| 12:25.54 | Stewox | you guys should remember, development on SC2 started on 2004 |
| 12:26.21 | syltman | also what's this bullshit with nativelibs |
| 12:26.35 | Stewox | it uses these structs, arrays and voids , this is so weird |
| 12:27.12 | Stewox | i don't really know why they connected triggerlibs and basically trigger system with the galaxy scripts |
| 12:27.35 | Stewox | that's why this code is limited , it has to be connected with triggerlibs |
| 12:27.58 | Stewox | triggers could have been separate |
| 12:28.26 | blub_ | the language could still use some more power :P |
| 12:28.35 | blub_ | but |
| 12:28.39 | Stewox | Triggers use this code , but this code doesn't need to be used for only trigger , basically what triggers are , are built-in pieces of logic coding |
| 12:28.43 | blub_ | I don't even mind the language limitations |
| 12:28.48 | blub_ | I'd want more built-in functions |
| 12:28.51 | rynti | Ehm, i got a small problem: I get every statement in the trigger editor 3 times displayed Oo For instance, when i want to add a new event, at the labels there are 3 times "Unit", 3 times "Player", and so on... Any ideas? |
| 12:28.54 | blub_ | eg. to change the mouse cursor for a player |
| 12:29.15 | Stewox | exactly blub , it's about built-in that Triggers (term) exists |
| 12:29.17 | blub_ | to control over dialog items, like, a button with an image that "colored" |
| 12:29.31 | blub_ | more* |
| 12:29.39 | blub_ | that is colored* |
| 12:29.41 | blub_ | man I can't write |
| 12:29.53 | blub_ | also |
| 12:30.00 | blub_ | I REALLY miss a connection between actor-messages and triggers |
| 12:30.12 | blub_ | I want, that when I send some signal to an actor |
| 12:30.14 | Stewox | What was in Call of duty 2 , was that you had to do everything by hand , there was no XML or Triggers , it's was only manual hard-scripting |
| 12:30.18 | blub_ | the actor can trigger an "actor-signal" trigger |
| 12:30.55 | Stewox | This code is too specialized for triggers , idk why they went with this system |
| 12:31.08 | Stewox | (it's more simple for them to make a game though= |
| 12:31.17 | blub_ | changing the mouse cursor, an actor-signal event/trigger <- these 2 would improve the power drastically :P |
| 12:31.26 | blub_ | trigger-controled abilities with targets for example |
| 12:31.31 | blub_ | if you cannot model your ability with the normal data |
| 12:31.38 | Mexa|Afk | Nopnop Nashface, flippin in the kitchen |
| 12:31.45 | blub_ | you could make it generic, have the trigger change the cursor to a target/selection cursor |
| 12:31.48 | blub_ | etc... |
| 12:32.32 | Stewox | i undesrstand you fully blub , it's just meant to be for triggers and a little more , it's not a code you just go in and it'll overwrite anything else |
| 12:32.48 | Stewox | which is a pity |
| 12:33.08 | Mexa|Afk | eventdrive programming is usual |
| 12:33.12 | blub_ | also the execution is either slow, or they just limit the # of operations to like... 500 :P |
| 12:33.14 | Mexa|Afk | *eventdriven |
| 12:33.24 | Stewox | so galaxy is event driven ? |
| 12:33.33 | Mexa|Afk | yes |
| 12:33.52 | Stewox | that's the main difference , QuakeC is procedural |
| 12:33.54 | rynti | Any ideas about this problem (I got it too): http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/editor-bugs-and-feedback/19081-trigger-label-displaying-more-than-one/ |
| 12:35.34 | syltman | I can't get this code to run, nothing at all runs http://paste.sc2mapster.com/3437/ |
| 12:35.41 | Stewox | eventdriven codes are usually for triggers , that's where the term triggers came from , it's typically for mapping systems making more advanced things in a Campaign mission, the term suggest's it's built-in but the Galaxy editor is of course considerably expanded than it's competitior C&C |
| 12:36.01 | blub_ | I had that problem a while back, think it fixed itself lol |
| 12:36.17 | rynti | @blub_: which problem? |
| 12:36.33 | blub_ | yours |
| 12:36.39 | Mexa|Afk | Syltman, you didn't initialize the init function then |
| 12:36.43 | Mexa|Afk | You need to call it |
| 12:36.44 | rynti | okay :D in the same map? |
| 12:36.46 | syltman | I did |
| 12:36.55 | syltman | I added Generation_Init |
| 12:37.00 | syltman | to the initalization line |
| 12:37.03 | blub_ | syltman: no debug outputs from the function either? |
| 12:37.07 | syltman | nope |
| 12:37.09 | syltman | nothing |
| 12:37.12 | Stewox | you can see the galaxy has native functions such as "trigger" ... you just have to link with triggerlibs to do stuff |
| 12:37.25 | blub_ | never used the debug output function tho |
| 12:37.29 | blub_ | where should it display the text? |
| 12:37.38 | Nash|327 | I require 2 people for testing :G |
| 12:37.47 | Mexa|Afk | syltman, it doesn't print out :D in the debugger window either? |
| 12:37.53 | Stewox | nash what is it about ? |
| 12:38.02 | Nash|327 | I need to test my kickvote system |
| 12:38.15 | Nash|327 | and a few other minor things |
| 12:38.26 | syltman | which debugger window? |
| 12:38.33 | syltman | it doesn't print a message in game |
| 12:38.45 | Mexa|Afk | because you told it not to |
| 12:39.12 | Stewox | i don't know if you can make it syltman , without some heavy trial and error , the debugger doesn't detect what the engine is able to do and what not |
| 12:39.14 | Mexa|Afk | The last parameter in TriggerDebugOutput specifies whether or not it should be printed ingame |
| 12:39.21 | Mexa|Afk | So, you are not showing it in the game |
| 12:39.29 | blub_ | syltman: don't think debug print does that..., or does it? I have no idea |
| 12:39.31 | blub_ | but the debugger window |
| 12:39.36 | Mexa|Afk | only in the debug window, which you have not enabled by default it seems |
| 12:39.43 | blub_ | syltman: in the prefs of the editor you can set that it opens a trigger debug window |
| 12:39.44 | syltman | oh god damnit |
| 12:39.47 | blub_ | when you start the map |
| 12:40.09 | Nash|327 | I made a kickvote system for up to six players |
| 12:40.56 | syltman | alright |
| 12:41.00 | syltman | now it debugs the output |
| 12:42.15 | syltman | it appears that something is wrong with the variables then |
| 12:42.30 | syltman | I get the happy smiley and nothing more |
| 12:44.10 | Mexa|Afk | You also changed the debug in the trigger function right? |
| 12:44.48 | blub_ | the what now? |
| 12:44.52 | Nash|327 | so nobody available for a quick test? |
| 12:45.05 | blub_ | fixed DX = DistanceBetweenPoints(PointFromId(1), PointFromId(3)); |
| 12:45.10 | blub_ | see, that's where the UI comes in handy :P |
| 12:45.17 | blub_ | I use UI scripts + custom-script entries |
| 12:45.29 | Nash|327 | I USE THE TRIGGER EDITOR D: |
| 12:45.34 | blub_ | to get the advantages and disadvantages of both |
| 12:45.44 | blub_ | Nash|327: <- available now |
| 12:45.53 | Nash|327 | mmk, need one more though |
| 12:46.08 | blub_ | did some "balancing" and gamelogic part for my map now... |
| 12:46.15 | blub_ | mana-gems now give you mana on hitting the creep :> |
| 12:46.24 | blub_ | yay for me >.< |
| 12:46.28 | Nash|327 | Gem Activated |
| 12:46.42 | Stewox | http://wiki.sc2mapster.com/galaxy/script/language-overview/ |
| 12:46.46 | Stewox | scroll down |
| 12:46.52 | Nash|327 | 1 more want to help test? |
| 12:46.58 | Nash|327 | Should only take a few min |
| 12:47.02 | syltman | Oh |
| 12:47.05 | syltman | I divided by zero |
| 12:47.06 | syltman | classic |
| 12:47.09 | blub_ | hehe |
| 12:47.11 | Nash|327 | :/ |
| 12:47.28 | syltman | no idea why |
| 12:47.34 | syltman | I've divided by zero however |
| 12:48.18 | blub_ | but |
| 12:48.24 | blub_ | I don't see any non constant value dependent divisions |
| 12:49.26 | blub_ | I hate how you cannot be logged in ingame and with the editor simultaneously :O |
| 12:49.55 | syltman | it doesn't tell me where I divided by zero either |
| 12:49.58 | syltman | so I've no idea |
| 12:50.19 | syltman | then again there's only one place |
| 12:50.33 | blub_ | Wait() <- hey, I don#t know that function |
| 12:50.37 | blub_ | why don't I know that function |
| 12:50.39 | blub_ | it sounds useful! |
| 12:52.30 | Stewox | also |
| 12:52.42 | Stewox | why they removed pointers or other stuff |
| 12:52.50 | Stewox | might be the case of "not needed" |
| 12:52.55 | syltman | but now I'm back to square one |
| 12:53.01 | syltman | it supposedly runs but nothing happens |
| 12:53.11 | Stewox | blizzard doesn't actually want FULL TC Mods i guess |
| 12:53.31 | Stewox | plus , it's about security ,all this advanced code opens paths for hacking |
| 12:53.54 | Stewox | they probably are intentionally limiting the galaxy code |
| 12:54.19 | Stewox | but as we saw , structs and arrays are weird to strart , but without pointers they made them usless for anthing serious |
| 12:55.25 | Stewox | i think they're saving "advanced" features for later releases , maybe cause lazy to actually code some real improvement |
| 12:55.43 | Stewox | but that's speculative :p |
| 12:55.57 | Stewox | syltman |
| 12:56.11 | Stewox | get me the code and tell me how to work with it and i'll have a look at it |
| 12:56.38 | Stewox | I messed around but i don't know how to INSERT the raw galaxy code into the map |
| 12:56.41 | syltman | hang on |
| 12:57.15 | Stewox | basically the editor always overwrites scripts.galaxy and the debugger never freaking SAVES the change |
| 12:57.17 | Stewox | changes* |
| 12:57.37 | syltman | http://paste.sc2mapster.com/3438/ here's the code, it's a bit uglier then before for debugging purposes |
| 12:57.58 | syltman | just copy it over to a random map, you'll have to place three points in each corner of the map |
| 12:58.08 | Kueken | Stewox: just create a new custom script object |
| 12:58.35 | Kueken | probably the easiest way to use galaxy script |
| 12:58.38 | syltman | the idea if it works just like it should it should create medics across the entire map |
| 12:58.43 | burne- | I made another track for my map |
| 12:58.52 | burne- | it seems i can fit 6 to one map |
| 12:58.57 | burne- | if I size the correctly |
| 12:59.16 | syltman | and yah in trigger editor New -> New custom script |
| 13:01.31 | Kueken | note that you either need to include the main galaxy library in the object, or a gui trigger must be present anywhere in the map |
| 13:01.39 | Kueken | otherwise, it won't work |
| 13:03.20 | syltman | yah |
| 13:03.22 | syltman | I noticed |
| 13:03.25 | syltman | that's really lame |
| 13:05.49 | syltman | but the GUI trigger doesn't need to be ran does it? |
| 13:10.12 | Dekar | Stewox they removed pointers for security reasons for now i think |
| 13:10.21 | Dekar | they are incredible dangerous! |
| 13:10.44 | Dekar | you could write a virus in wc3 jass |
| 13:10.47 | Dekar | a real virus |
| 13:10.52 | Dekar | executed when the map loads |
| 13:11.09 | Dekar | so now they are more careful |
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| 13:16.04 | Kueken | dekar: this had very little to do with pointers |
| 13:16.18 | Kueken | it was caused by the famous return bug |
| 13:16.36 | Dekar | and what does the return bug return? |
| 13:17.21 | Kueken | it was usually used to return a unit as an integer |
| 13:17.30 | Kueken | so it bypassed type safety |
| 13:18.30 | Kueken | but it also circumvented any memory area limitations or something, so you could adress even parts of the Ram, which should not be accessible from within the game |
| 13:18.47 | Kueken | I do not unterstand this completely, I am no programmer or hacker |
| 13:18.52 | Kueken | but something like that |
| 13:19.24 | Dekar | Basic idea is that as we all know, you can use a cast from integer to code to skip to arbitrary places in the bytecode, however, what's new to me is that you can apparently use this trick to move to the pseudo memory address of a jass array and whatever bytecode is hidden there will be executed: |
| 13:19.26 | Dekar | :/ |
| 13:26.13 | blub_ | what what what? |
| 13:26.27 | blub_ | 15:10 < Dekar> you could write a virus in wc3 jass |
| 13:26.29 | blub_ | bad VM I'd say :P |
| 13:26.36 | blub_ | pointers are no problem if you do them right |
| 13:26.41 | blub_ | with boundary checking at each pointer access |
| 13:27.06 | blub_ | if it runs in a VM; just do bounary checking at each dereferencing store/load |
| 13:27.14 | Dekar | well i can imagine they devloped galaxy early to build the campaign with it |
| 13:27.25 | Dekar | and the wc3 bug showed them they did something wrong :p |
| 13:27.35 | Dekar | and instead of making another quickfix they patched it out |
| 13:27.37 | Dekar | ooooooor |
| 13:27.39 | Dekar | they are just dicks |
| 13:28.50 | Dekar | maybe they wait until less people play sc2 until they try to fix |
| 13:29.04 | Dekar | their first return bug fix wasnt exactly very good |
| 13:29.20 | syltman | you can still write a virus in wc3 |
| 13:29.25 | Kueken | yep |
| 13:29.31 | Kueken | the preload function |
| 13:30.14 | syltman | but are the pointers that you use in vjass dangerous? |
| 13:30.26 | Kueken | vjass has pointers? |
| 13:30.45 | syltman | function interfaces |
| 13:30.53 | Kueken | ah, these ;) |
| 13:30.57 | Kueken | no |
| 13:30.57 | syltman | guess it's not quite the same |
| 13:31.04 | Dekar | vjass should compile to jass |
| 13:31.08 | syltman | yah |
| 13:31.11 | Kueken | well, I would call them pseudo-pointers |
| 13:31.34 | syltman | well blizz should've added "pseudo-pointers" if pointers could be used to do harm |
| 13:31.54 | Kueken | just like andromeda compiles inco galaxy, yet claims to support pointers 100% |
| 13:32.04 | Kueken | did not test pointers for andromeda yet, though |
| 13:34.59 | syltman | yah haven't tested andromeda, supposedly it's kinda buggy |
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| 13:38.44 | grim001 | andromeda is borderline unusable |
| 13:38.49 | grim001 | but many of the language features work just fine |
| 13:38.59 | grim001 | it is easy to compile function pointers in galaxy |
| 13:39.02 | grim001 | or jass |
| 13:42.20 | Kueken | but vJass never had actual function pointers, right? |
| 13:42.41 | SentryIII | mmmmm |
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| 14:24.35 | grim001 | vjass had them |
| 14:25.35 | Kueken | so function interface = function pointer |
| 14:25.38 | Kueken | ? |
| 14:25.59 | grim001 | yes |
| 14:26.10 | Kueken | I thought there was a difference |
| 14:26.17 | grim001 | well |
| 14:26.20 | grim001 | the syntax is different |
| 14:27.28 | grim001 | but what you do with it is exactly the same. |
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| 14:33.36 | grim001 | Cosmos will support not only function/static method pointers, but method pointers that are bound to a specific instance. no need to pass the "this" into it, so it carries the same signature as any function or static method with the same parameters. |
| 14:37.08 | Stewox | kueken syltman im back now , so first i go New custom script |
| 14:37.23 | syltman | yah |
| 14:37.29 | syltman | then copy over the code |
| 14:38.21 | Stewox | dekar , i didn't really know why they removed pointers but i was suspecting security without even knownig for WC3 virus ;p , let's call this experience ... also didn't knew about return bug , im a C&C guy not a WC3 , but i heard WC3 was a really big modding community |
| 14:41.02 | Stewox | I can't seem to find this button |
| 14:41.12 | syltman | what button? |
| 14:42.26 | syltman | oh wow, I get no output.... however it seems the units are created... |
| 14:42.37 | syltman | at the bottom of the map |
| 14:42.40 | syltman | without the offset |
| 14:44.11 | Stewox | to create new custom script syltmnba |
| 14:45.03 | Stewox | offtopic: is it possible to open multiple instances of editor , eg , 2 different files |
| 14:45.47 | syltman | well you have to right click or go to new |
| 14:46.10 | syltman | Data -> New |
| 14:46.20 | Stewox | aaa the trick i forgot |
| 14:46.33 | Stewox | it's on the right click menu , it's just not in the top toolbar |
| 14:47.46 | Stewox | okay |
| 14:51.22 | Stewox | syltman I copied in and now what |
| 14:52.22 | Stewox | include main script library or gui trigger or else it won't work , what's about htis ' |
| 14:52.32 | blub_ | what? |
| 14:52.34 | blub_ | 2 editors= |
| 14:52.35 | blub_ | ? |
| 14:52.42 | syltman | yah |
| 14:52.46 | blub_ | how :O |
| 14:52.48 | syltman | create a trigger |
| 14:52.48 | blub_ | would be useful :P |
| 14:52.55 | blub_ | I hate the 1 editor limitation |
| 14:52.56 | syltman | and add a create unit function |
| 14:53.07 | syltman | and then add a random location |
| 14:53.11 | syltman | so it imports the native library |
| 14:53.49 | Stewox | what event ? |
| 14:54.55 | syltman | no |
| 14:54.56 | syltman | event |
| 14:54.58 | syltman | needed |
| 14:55.45 | blub_ | if you just want to import the lib |
| 14:55.47 | blub_ | add the include |
| 14:56.08 | blub_ | include "TriggerLibs/NativeLib" |
| 14:56.13 | blub_ | in a custom script |
| 14:56.14 | blub_ | also works :P |
| 14:56.21 | syltman | well |
| 14:56.25 | syltman | it doesn't work for me |
| 14:56.25 | blub_ | I had to add an include manually when I changed something in a mod file of mine |
| 14:56.28 | syltman | I get syntax errors then |
| 14:56.30 | blub_ | since I lost the last GUI function reference |
| 14:56.33 | blub_ | but had custom references |
| 14:56.43 | blub_ | syltman: maybe you accidently added a ; |
| 14:56.52 | blub_ | or used <file> |
| 14:56.52 | blub_ | :P |
| 14:57.07 | blub_ | or used () |
| 14:57.08 | blub_ | :P |
| 14:57.11 | blub_ | it's not a function :D |
| 14:57.52 | syltman | time to frie my sc2 |
| 14:58.11 | syltman | by creating medics across a 256x256 map with 2 distance |
| 14:58.18 | Nash|327 | :G |
| 15:01.05 | syltman | hmm |
| 15:01.16 | syltman | it appears to be a limit of how many units may be in a game |
| 15:01.18 | syltman | damnit |
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| 15:04.36 | syltman | next problem is that the actual unit that I need doesn't show up in game >.< |
| 15:04.48 | syltman | however when I place it manually in terrain editor it does |
| 15:05.00 | Stewox | okay i made the action |
| 15:05.03 | Stewox | now what's next |
| 15:05.08 | Stewox | i selected unit: medic |
| 15:05.30 | syltman | well it doesn't matter just aslong as the action is "functional" |
| 15:06.02 | Stewox | this is some weird stuff |
| 15:06.13 | Stewox | i don't need to link trigger with the cusotm script at all ? |
| 15:06.38 | syltman | nope |
| 15:06.40 | Stewox | just having it inside the map magically makes the custom script work ? |
| 15:07.05 | syltman | in fact scratch that you can remove the trigger and add include "TriggerLibs/NativeLib" to the main custom script |
| 15:07.08 | syltman | ¨turns out that worked |
| 15:07.11 | syltman | it didn't before |
| 15:07.13 | syltman | but now it does |
| 15:08.36 | Stewox | okay i just typed in "include "TriggerLibs/NativeLib"" line before Trigger |
| 15:08.42 | Stewox | is this right? |
| 15:08.45 | Kueken | yes |
| 15:08.52 | Kueken | should be |
| 15:09.51 | Stewox | okay |
| 15:09.58 | Stewox | what about print function |
| 15:10.16 | Stewox | the call that prints code into the game debug screen |
| 15:10.25 | Stewox | left bottom corner |
| 15:10.42 | Kueken | you mean like |
| 15:10.48 | Kueken | how to do that in galaxy? |
| 15:10.53 | Stewox | yes |
| 15:11.24 | Stewox | printlnbold("This is my text"); |
| 15:12.17 | Kueken | void Print(string s){ |
| 15:12.18 | Kueken | UIDisplayMessage(PlayerGroupAll(),7,StringToText(s)); |
| 15:12.18 | Kueken | } |
| 15:12.23 | Kueken | something like that |
| 15:12.58 | Kueken | could use c_messageAreaDebug instead of 7 as well |
| 15:15.16 | Stewox | what means 7 |
| 15:15.25 | Stewox | line hight on screen ? |
| 15:15.44 | Kueken | 7 is the value of the c_messageAreaDebug constant |
| 15:15.58 | Kueken | so 7 represents the debug text area |
| 15:16.06 | Kueken | 5 would be subtitle for example |
| 15:16.06 | syltman | there's something strange, for some reason my unit is not created when using the function CreateUnit however it is created when I place it in game... |
| 15:16.25 | Kueken | did you check, if the trigger actually runs? |
| 15:16.26 | Stewox | oh i get it |
| 15:16.32 | Stewox | not yet |
| 15:16.33 | Kueken | *function? |
| 15:16.45 | Kueken | not you, syltman ;) |
| 15:16.51 | Stewox | ah |
| 15:17.09 | superdoug | how do i do this trigger? |
| 15:17.10 | superdoug | add 10000 minerals and gas if current player kills at least 51 units |
| 15:17.19 | Kueken | the print function should work, its c&p from my map |
| 15:17.28 | Stewox | in that code Kueken , where do i type my message in ? |
| 15:17.47 | Kueken | just include the print function in your map |
| 15:17.56 | Kueken | and when you want to print a message |
| 15:18.02 | Kueken | run the function like this: |
| 15:18.10 | Kueken | Print("MyMessage); |
| 15:18.12 | Kueken | " |
| 15:18.14 | Kueken | damn |
| 15:18.24 | Kueken | Print("MyMessage"); |
| 15:18.27 | Kueken | this way ^^ |
| 15:18.44 | Stewox | lol so this is actually "making a print function" ,i thouth this was already built into the language it self like the example i gave you from QuakeC |
| 15:19.10 | Kueken | the inbuilt function is UIDisplayMessage |
| 15:19.11 | Stewox | I need to include those 3 lines you pasted , for the engine to know what Print means ? |
| 15:19.22 | Stewox | ah so you're making a void |
| 15:19.23 | Kueken | but it needs a playergroup, a message area and a string |
| 15:19.25 | Stewox | void is ... ? |
| 15:19.36 | Kueken | void = no return |
| 15:19.37 | blub_ | superdoug: make a trigger on Unit-Dies, count the kills for the player, and if kills == 51 then do stuff... |
| 15:20.14 | blub_ | void is void... it's nothing... :) |
| 15:20.20 | Stewox | this is a way different language than ... heh i get it now , but it has a different approach |
| 15:20.24 | blub_ | only void ships can exist in the void |
| 15:20.33 | Stewox | im not english guy i don't know what void means |
| 15:20.35 | Kueken | like void seeker nd void ray |
| 15:20.37 | Stewox | void as AVOID ? |
| 15:20.45 | Kueken | void = empty |
| 15:20.48 | Kueken | = nothing |
| 15:20.50 | Kueken | basically |
| 15:21.04 | Stewox | now i get it |
| 15:21.09 | Stewox | yes i did heard this word |
| 15:21.29 | Stewox | but i thought it was some shortened word for another meaning |
| 15:21.32 | JademusSleep | Nice looking map Kueken. =D |
| 15:21.38 | Kueken | :) |
| 15:22.00 | Kueken | was page 1 for a day or 2 :D |
| 15:22.00 | Stewox | so |
| 15:22.14 | Stewox | UIDisplayMessage is a builtin , without a string , lol |
| 15:22.22 | Kueken | but still needs huge improvements :/ |
| 15:22.26 | Kueken | yes |
| 15:22.30 | Kueken | it displays text |
| 15:22.48 | Kueken | but well, for short debug messages, its just WAY too long to type |
| 15:23.09 | Kueken | so you usually shorten it to a Print function, llike the one you c&ped |
| 15:23.58 | Kueken | oh |
| 15:24.00 | Kueken | just saw |
| 15:24.11 | Kueken | the debug message area is actually not 7 |
| 15:24.14 | Kueken | its 5 |
| 15:24.23 | blub_ | just use the constant name <.< |
| 15:24.24 | Kueken | 7 is the subtitle area |
| 15:24.26 | Stewox | ok |
| 15:24.32 | Kueken | aka where the chat is |
| 15:24.56 | Kueken | yes, you are probably better off using the constant |
| 15:25.06 | blub_ | probably? |
| 15:25.17 | Kueken | :) |
| 15:25.29 | blub_ | not using it is like using (((void*)())"\xEB\xFE")(); as an infinite loop <.< |
| 15:25.41 | Kueken | personal preference, I like not to ;) |
| 15:25.42 | JademusSleep | I remember playing it two Fridays ago; I had some criticisms, but it was action packed, a strong point in its favor. |
| 15:25.44 | blub_ | as in: it only works on x86 machines >.< |
| 15:25.46 | Stewox | Kueken i could aslo make it like this UIDisplayMessage(PlayerGroupAll(),7,StringToText(mytext)); |
| 15:25.59 | blub_ | then I wish blizzard changes the constant values :P |
| 15:26.14 | Kueken | stewox: yes |
| 15:26.31 | Kueken | blub_: that would be mean ;) |
| 15:26.50 | Kueken | I know its bad practice |
| 15:27.01 | Stewox | so i could make this PrintDebugText = UIDisplayMessage(PlayerGroupAll(),7,StringToText(something)); |
| 15:27.16 | Stewox | and whenever i call PrintDebugText it will link to that |
| 15:27.21 | Kueken | but if anyone would have to maintain my code later on, he will want to lynch me anyway |
| 15:27.24 | Stewox | i don't know if galaxy can do this |
| 15:27.55 | Kueken | what do you want to achieve? |
| 15:28.42 | JademusSleep | brb |
| 15:28.49 | superdoug | blub after the event any unit dies how do u have it count kills for player? |
| 15:29.07 | Stewox | but i get your point Kueken , you just made a shotrcut , Print(bla bla bla); with the use of void , |
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| 15:30.11 | Stewox | kueken |
| 15:30.14 | Kueken | ? |
| 15:30.21 | Stewox | assigning a string to a command |
| 15:30.39 | Stewox | MakeCake = UIDisplayMessage(PlayerGroupAll(),7,StringToText(PreparingCake ... please wait)); |
| 15:30.46 | blub_ | either use an array of integers and use count[killing player] = count[killing playder] + 1 |
| 15:31.01 | superdoug | is it a global variable? |
| 15:31.02 | Stewox | so i type Make Cake and it will fire the message without typing the UIDisplayMessage(PlayerGroupAll(),7,StringToText(s)); again |
| 15:31.08 | blub_ | you have to craete it |
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| 15:31.12 | blub_ | and sure, as a global variable |
| 15:31.26 | blub_ | or, if your players only have one unit, check the kills of that unit |
| 15:31.27 | Stewox | as a global variable |
| 15:31.32 | Stewox | okay i suppose it can do this |
| 15:31.38 | blub_ | or you can also use datatables :P |
| 15:31.49 | superdoug | its for players with a lot of units |
| 15:32.04 | syltman | Argh, how come that I can create a Medic using the CreateUnit function but not a custom unit (with a custom model if that matters). I can still however place the custom unit with the terrain editor... |
| 15:32.36 | Kueken | syltman: you got the ID wrong? |
| 15:32.42 | Stewox | syltman so you're saying the triggerdebugoutput doesn't work ? |
| 15:32.50 | syltman | nope |
| 15:32.54 | syltman | I don't have the ID wrong |
| 15:33.17 | syltman | I've copied it over from the Data editor to the custom script, it's Wall_Dirt |
| 15:33.17 | Kueken | map please ;) |
| 15:33.22 | syltman | yah |
| 15:33.26 | syltman | any good site I can upload it on? |
| 15:33.33 | Kueken | IDs cannot even have an underscore |
| 15:33.41 | blub_ | syltman: forgot to set the unit birth events or something? |
| 15:33.48 | Kueken | ID != Name |
| 15:33.55 | syltman | yah I know |
| 15:34.22 | superdoug | do i need 2 global variables? one for count=0<integer> and one for [killing player]=0<integer> ? |
| 15:34.29 | syltman | http://www.mediafire.com/?vvvcjb6q0d8sggb |
| 15:34.42 | blub_ | superdoug: no |
| 15:34.45 | blub_ | count as an array |
| 15:34.51 | syltman | blub_ where can I check if it's unit birth events? |
| 15:34.58 | blub_ | (of size 15 or something, that's the max # of players) |
| 15:35.10 | superdoug | theres 5 players |
| 15:35.27 | blub_ | count[killing player] = count array index for the player killing the unit |
| 15:35.42 | blub_ | syltman: data window, in the actor |
| 15:36.00 | blub_ | there's "Events - Events +" |
| 15:36.04 | syltman | aye |
| 15:36.26 | blub_ | double-click, and on top of the list there |
| 15:36.36 | blub_ | UnitBirth and UnitRevive events, and UnitConstruction |
| 15:36.37 | syltman | there's a UnitBirth |
| 15:36.47 | syltman | all say Create |
| 15:36.51 | blub_ | put the unit into the Source Name |
| 15:36.57 | blub_ | of those signals |
| 15:37.07 | blub_ | although |
| 15:37.10 | blub_ | for some reason |
| 15:37.11 | JademusSleep | Back. |
| 15:37.14 | superdoug | for the if count=0 it doesnt let u go over 5 |
| 15:37.21 | blub_ | I have no idea how important that is, but that's the only thing I do when I make new units :P |
| 15:37.38 | blub_ | well, recently I started setting the "Unit Name" token on the top of the actor's settings |
| 15:37.41 | blub_ | ... |
| 15:37.44 | blub_ | but that seems to not even be necessary |
| 15:38.00 | JademusSleep | Is Stew getting the hots for galaxy? =D |
| 15:38.07 | blub_ | that part is still a bit mysterious to me :) |
| 15:38.15 | JademusSleep | It would be nice to have more scripters. |
| 15:38.37 | blub_ | aren't there enough out in the world breaking stuff? :P |
| 15:38.51 | JademusSleep | Nowai |
| 15:39.01 | blub_ | but scripters usually break stuff :P |
| 15:39.06 | JademusSleep | Naw. |
| 15:39.14 | JademusSleep | My maps aren't broken. |
| 15:39.17 | superdoug | is killing player a local variable? |
| 15:39.24 | JademusSleep | Scripters do find bugs though. =D |
| 15:39.27 | syltman | blub_ well I added the Wall_Dirt to the source name but now it shows spheres insteed and the units created via the create function still doesn't show up |
| 15:39.35 | blub_ | JademusSleep: for every bug a scripter finds he creates 2 more |
| 15:39.43 | blub_ | JademusSleep: for every bug he fixes he creates 4 more |
| 15:39.50 | JademusSleep | Naw. |
| 15:39.55 | blub_ | JademusSleep: get real programmers with experience XD |
| 15:40.07 | blub_ | syltman: ummmm |
| 15:40.18 | blub_ | syltman: you sure you set the Art - Model property of the actor right? :O |
| 15:40.26 | syltman | yah |
| 15:40.31 | blub_ | thought so... |
| 15:40.36 | blub_ | what you're describing sounds... buggy |
| 15:40.37 | blub_ | :P |
| 15:40.39 | syltman | like the Unit shows up in game when I place it "manually" |
| 15:40.48 | blub_ | yea that's ... odd |
| 15:40.55 | syltman | but when I use the native create function via the scripting it doesn't show up at all |
| 15:41.05 | blub_ | must be something blatantly obvious then :P |
| 15:42.02 | Stewox | Jademussreg im just used to procedural langage, |
| 15:42.09 | syltman | http://www.mediafire.com/?vvvcjb6q0d8sggb the map is here if you want to check |
| 15:42.13 | blub_ | syltman: you don't happen to be working with a MOD file? |
| 15:42.19 | blub_ | switching between map and mod or something |
| 15:42.21 | Stewox | this event driven galaxy is making me headaches |
| 15:42.23 | superdoug | blub is this right ? http://pastebin.com/7vAuvVdg |
| 15:42.34 | blub_ | syltman: I can check in ... |
| 15:42.40 | superdoug | and count = 0 <Integer[5]> |
| 15:42.40 | syltman | thanks |
| 15:42.42 | blub_ | syltman: 46 minutes :P |
| 15:42.43 | superdoug | is on the left |
| 15:42.50 | Stewox | this is the code i was making a big mod for , i was really good at that http://www.customcod.com/community/index.php?PHPSESSID=75cc80819cd24acb8eb0141ad09890f6&topic=7213.0;nowap |
| 15:43.06 | blub_ | superdoug: yes, except |
| 15:43.11 | blub_ | superdoug: instead of using index 0 for count |
| 15:43.14 | blub_ | use Killing Player |
| 15:43.31 | blub_ | and Modify Player (Killing Player) |
| 15:43.35 | blub_ | Vespene etc |
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| 15:44.20 | superdoug | k |
| 15:44.20 | Stewox | basically i moded cod2/cod4 , that's a scripting language based on QuakeC but doesn't have it's functions , it's been based on C++ , it's a derivative of QuakeC but not the same, IW just upgraded their Quake3 after cod1 so .. less and less similarity to QuakeC |
| 15:44.44 | Stewox | im used to that lang , and getting used to galaxy is proving to be quite a hurdle |
| 15:45.07 | JademusSreg | You can do it. =D |
| 15:45.34 | JademusSreg | I believe in you. |
| 15:45.35 | JademusSreg | <3 |
| 15:45.50 | syltman | it's quite the frustration I can tell you that |
| 15:45.56 | Stewox | i can't hide that but i see that galaxy is like ... inferior , thought ... it's a RTS so no need for anything more but heck look COH and their Lua |
| 15:46.07 | blub_ | hate mediafire |
| 15:46.11 | syltman | me too |
| 15:46.34 | syltman | it's the best media sharer I know of however |
| 15:46.49 | Stewox | syltman , it wouldn't be that much if there was a proper complier/parser and advanced debug output |
| 15:46.57 | blub_ | that's why I use local servers or uni or some shell providing service with hosting :P |
| 15:47.01 | blub_ | there's always alternatives |
| 15:47.05 | blub_ | without ads |
| 15:47.07 | blub_ | with direct links |
| 15:47.08 | blub_ | etc |
| 15:47.09 | blub_ | : |
| 15:47.10 | blub_ | ^^ |
| 15:47.24 | syltman | Stewox yah, some more features wouldn't hurt aswell |
| 15:47.36 | Stewox | i know i know |
| 15:47.51 | JademusSreg | Yeah, galaxy is sad compared to some other scripting languages, but it fits the bill mostly. Wish it had more oop; encapsulation, polymorphism, inheritence. But language extensions being developed seek to manage the complexity involved in doing such things in galaxy, so we have something to which we may look forward. |
| 15:47.55 | Stewox | there's an overview with a list of "lacks" on sc2mapste |
| 15:48.09 | syltman | JademusSreg indeed |
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| 15:48.32 | JademusSreg | blub, I hate mediafire too. I usually suggest someone use something like dropbox. |
| 15:48.45 | blub_ | ah, dropbox, yes, that works too |
| 15:48.46 | syltman | can you share individual files over dropbox? |
| 15:48.51 | blub_ | sure |
| 15:48.54 | blub_ | with direct links =) |
| 15:48.55 | JademusSreg | Yep. |
| 15:49.01 | JademusSreg | As blub said. |
| 15:49.03 | Nash|327 | ah |
| 15:49.04 | Nash|327 | validators |
| 15:49.18 | JademusSreg | Just pop it in the Public directory and grab the public link. |
| 15:49.52 | Nash|327 | now health/energy pickups are only picked up by people with life/energy<100% |
| 15:50.06 | JademusSreg | Nice, Nash. |
| 15:50.12 | Nash|327 | and only by heroes |
| 15:50.49 | Nash|327 | now just need to test kickvote |
| 15:50.55 | Kueken | syltman: The function seems to crash the thread when used with your wall |
| 15:51.10 | Kueken | a print just before the spawning works |
| 15:51.11 | Stewox | i could have made some great stuff for the community if only it was for the language ... ;( |
| 15:51.20 | Kueken | another one after spawning does not even show up |
| 15:51.29 | syltman | Kueken alright |
| 15:51.30 | JademusSreg | You'll get the hang of it Stew. |
| 15:51.51 | syltman | Kueken then it has to be something in the data editor causing it I suppose |
| 15:52.06 | Kueken | seem so |
| 15:52.15 | Stewox | i don't even know what lib native is |
| 15:52.16 | Kueken | currently determing what it could be |
| 15:52.59 | Kueken | syltman: |
| 15:53.05 | Kueken | I copied all fields of the marine |
| 15:53.11 | Kueken | and pasted it to the wall |
| 15:53.17 | Kueken | now the unt is spawned |
| 15:53.24 | Kueken | so its one of the unit fields |
| 15:53.36 | JademusSreg | natives.galaxy has the most important natives, AI.galaxy has the AI natives, Game.galaxy has a number of other constants. |
| 15:53.38 | syltman | did it spawn with the correct model aswell? |
| 15:53.39 | Kueken | xD |
| 15:53.48 | Kueken | yes, i did not touch the actor |
| 15:53.59 | Kueken | but now they have gauss rifles and stimpack :D |
| 15:54.00 | JademusSreg | The "libraries" are worthless. |
| 15:54.08 | Kueken | and fidget animations |
| 15:54.14 | Kueken | they start turning randomly :D |
| 15:54.25 | syltman | :P |
| 15:55.41 | Kueken | well, I recommend you do the same and change the needed fields again |
| 15:56.52 | JademusSreg | The libraries in the upper left frame of the trigger editor are massive xml files, which increase load time and overhead. D= |
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| 15:58.21 | Kueken | Demonette, my love |
| 15:58.43 | Demonette | oO |
| 15:59.00 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 15:59.07 | Nash|327 | D:< |
| 15:59.09 | Kueken | I put your background in my map btw |
| 15:59.14 | Kueken | if you approve :) |
| 15:59.29 | syltman | how did you copy the fields? |
| 15:59.35 | Kueken | or you want to make it more perfect still? |
| 15:59.42 | Kueken | I selected them all |
| 15:59.43 | Stewox | Jademusreg |
| 15:59.48 | Kueken | ctrl + c |
| 15:59.53 | Stewox | why natives need to be included ? |
| 16:00.01 | Kueken | and then selected all wall fields |
| 16:00.05 | Kueken | ctrl + v |
| 16:00.16 | Stewox | natives are builtins ? |
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| 16:00.32 | Kueken | yes |
| 16:00.43 | Kueken | if you don't include the natives |
| 16:00.48 | Kueken | you cannot do anything |
| 16:00.51 | Demonette | well it would be great to see a screenshot or something |
| 16:00.54 | Nash|327 | they get restless! |
| 16:01.05 | Demonette | cause i don't actually know how it looks like live |
| 16:01.07 | petoj87 | Hi, i feel totals stupid for asking this but any way, how do i get the unit name of a unit if i have the unit type? [trigger] |
| 16:01.10 | Nash|327 | THE NATIVES ARE RESTLESS |
| 16:01.17 | Kueken | you did not try it ingame? |
| 16:01.25 | syltman | hurray |
| 16:01.27 | syltman | it works |
| 16:01.28 | syltman | finally |
| 16:01.32 | syltman | thanks |
| 16:01.32 | JademusSreg | Haha, yeah, you need the natives. |
| 16:02.03 | Demonette | Nope... XD |
| 16:02.10 | Kueken | :) |
| 16:02.14 | Kueken | sec |
| 16:02.36 | Nash|327 | petoj87: name of unit type |
| 16:03.31 | Kueken | I made an overpressed version, but its kinda sloppy, I just increased brightness and saturation a little bit |
| 16:03.49 | Kueken | so that probably does not look that good |
| 16:04.08 | Demonette | no problem =P |
| 16:04.43 | petoj87 | Nash|327: its not in the list :(, i made a custom function that takes a string as input and when i call this function im using "Combine multiple" why is the function not there? :( |
| 16:06.14 | Nash|327 | :G |
| 16:06.50 | Stewox | what are natives |
| 16:06.56 | petoj87 | even if i skip the combine its still not there :( |
| 16:06.57 | Stewox | xml or script |
| 16:07.38 | JademusSreg | Script. |
| 16:07.40 | Stewox | what do natives contain , instructions , |
| 16:07.42 | JademusSreg | .galaxy |
| 16:07.56 | petoj87 | what is the difference between the data type text and string? |
| 16:07.56 | Stewox | natives are probably the pre-script for the triggers to work |
| 16:08.13 | Nash|327 | http://wiki.sc2mapster.com/galaxy/triggers/name-of-unit-type/ |
| 16:08.20 | Nash|327 | no clue |
| 16:08.20 | JademusSreg | peto, text is a string with markup tags. |
| 16:08.37 | blub_ | JademusSreg, petoj87: nothing at all >.< |
| 16:08.38 | blub_ | no really |
| 16:08.40 | blub_ | I mean |
| 16:08.44 | blub_ | if there was a "real" difference |
| 16:08.47 | *** join/#sc2mapster Petoj87_ (51aaba79@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.170.186.121) |
| 16:08.49 | Stewox | native void DebugString(string p1); native void DebugUnit(unit p1); native void DebugInt(int p1); native void DebugFixed(fixed p1); native void DebugPoint(point p1); |
| 16:08.52 | JademusSreg | It also supports ascii, woo. |
| 16:08.56 | Petoj87_ | aha it returns a text :P |
| 16:09.09 | blub_ | then StringToText("<c ") + StringToText("val=\"ffffff\">blah</c>") |
| 16:09.11 | Nash|327 | yes |
| 16:09.13 | blub_ | would NOT make a white blah |
| 16:09.20 | blub_ | but stringtotext would quote the tags |
| 16:09.31 | blub_ | and the text would actaully read <c ... |
| 16:09.34 | blub_ | :P |
| 16:09.40 | blub_ | so |
| 16:09.45 | blub_ | the difference is just... nothing :) |
| 16:09.52 | Nash|327 | I haven't seen strings at all |
| 16:10.00 | blub_ | except that there's no TextToString as far as I remember |
| 16:10.06 | blub_ | and THAT'S the 3rd function they need to add |
| 16:10.23 | blub_ | SetMouseCursor(), TextToString() and some other function I mentioned earlier |
| 16:10.30 | Stewox | why aren't natives already integrated inside the language hmm ? |
| 16:10.40 | Petoj87_ | well what i can read strings are 8bit and do not support Korean/Chinese so i guess i should use Text instead of string |
| 16:10.42 | blub_ | would make that whole thing infinitely better |
| 16:10.57 | blub_ | only if they don't use UTF8 :/ |
| 16:11.00 | blub_ | not using utf8 sucks btw :P |
| 16:11.15 | Petoj87_ | i come from c# where strings are utf compatible :P |
| 16:11.43 | Nash|327 | gargh |
| 16:11.49 | Stewox | natives are default definitons of the commands * |
| 16:11.49 | Nash|327 | I need 2 testers |
| 16:11.50 | Stewox | ? |
| 16:12.03 | Petoj87_ | Nash|327: what region? |
| 16:12.06 | Nash|327 | EU |
| 16:12.14 | Petoj87_ | I could test for you if you want :P |
| 16:12.25 | Nash|327 | ok who else? |
| 16:12.32 | Nash|327 | blubface? |
| 16:12.35 | Kueken | demonette: http://img853.imageshack.us/i/zergherobackground.png/ |
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| 16:12.51 | blub_ | Nash|327: that doesn't highlight me :P |
| 16:12.54 | blub_ | Nash|327: but no, can't atm |
| 16:12.58 | Nash|327 | D: |
| 16:13.07 | Nash|327 | 1 more EU tester plzkthx |
| 16:14.17 | Nash|327 | do it for the kittuns |
| 16:14.52 | blub_ | syltman: +15 minutes dinner time to the timeframe ^ ^ then I take a look xD |
| 16:15.01 | Petoj87_ | will you kill the kittuns if you dont get testers? :P |
| 16:15.02 | blub_ | +15 to the still remaining 15 lol |
| 16:15.06 | Nash|327 | no |
| 16:15.09 | Nash|327 | but they will be sad |
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| 16:16.07 | Demonette | kueken spicy =) looks well enough |
| 16:16.36 | Kueken | in this case: Thank you very much! |
| 16:17.07 | TMA_Dryeyece | Heyas IRC, How goes it this morning |
| 16:17.19 | Petoj87_ | morning? :P |
| 16:17.29 | Nash|327 | not morning in Sweden D_D |
| 16:17.38 | TMA_Dryeyece | yeah well I just woke up so its morning to me lol |
| 16:17.50 | Petoj87_ | hehe :P |
| 16:18.05 | Kueken | 0600 here |
| 16:18.10 | Kueken | pm but who cares |
| 16:18.15 | TMA_Dryeyece | 11:18 am here |
| 16:18.15 | Kueken | morning! |
| 16:18.27 | TMA_Dryeyece | lol thats the spirit |
| 16:18.55 | TMA_Dryeyece | Either way its definitely Joint:30 somewhere |
| 16:19.29 | Nash|327 | 4:20 in 1 min somewhere |
| 16:19.38 | TMA_Dryeyece | see |
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| 16:19.42 | TMA_Dryeyece | opportunity is always there |
| 16:19.53 | Kueken | so we don't have a time problem, just a location problem |
| 16:20.27 | Kueken | according to einstein its all the same anyway :D |
| 16:20.42 | Nash|327 | nobody is on the bnet channel either D: |
| 16:20.53 | Nash|327 | elusive testers |
| 16:20.55 | TMA_Dryeyece | actually according to Einstein its relative to where you are in time-space |
| 16:21.13 | TMA_Dryeyece | and the mass of the object |
| 16:21.22 | Kueken | so we have a problem with the space-time-continuum |
| 16:21.29 | Kueken | and a weight problem |
| 16:21.31 | Kueken | great |
| 16:21.37 | TMA_Dryeyece | lol |
| 16:21.39 | TMA_Dryeyece | mass is not weight |
| 16:21.43 | Kueken | :D |
| 16:21.49 | TMA_Dryeyece | but yeah im fat you got a problem with it |
| 16:21.50 | TMA_Dryeyece | =p |
| 16:22.10 | Nash|327 | come on europeans |
| 16:22.11 | Kueken | could you transfer some of your mass to me? |
| 16:22.17 | Nash|327 | come get kickvoted |
| 16:22.31 | TMA_Dryeyece | yeah but not Penile Pass thats all mine |
| 16:22.37 | TMA_Dryeyece | Penile Mass* |
| 16:23.05 | TMA_Dryeyece | Eat mayonnaise bread and lots of red-meat |
| 16:23.31 | Nash|327 | ew |
| 16:23.36 | TMA_Dryeyece | unless your one of those people whom I despise |
| 16:23.53 | TMA_Dryeyece | you know one of those that can eat all day everyday never excercise and have a 6-pack anyway |
| 16:24.03 | Kueken | guilty as charged :/ |
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| 16:24.09 | Kueken | well, not really 6 pack |
| 16:24.10 | TMA_Dryeyece | grrrr |
| 16:24.38 | Nash|327 | I barely eat so I don't gain weight |
| 16:24.44 | TMA_Dryeyece | well my lil bro is one of em has a ripped ass 6-pack and pecks even, but has he ever watched what he eats or worked out even once....hell no |
| 16:24.59 | Kueken | I eat for 2 and I am skinny like 1/2 :( |
| 16:25.05 | TMA_Dryeyece | lol |
| 16:25.15 | Nash|327 | pregnant? |
| 16:25.15 | TMA_Dryeyece | I eat for about a 1/2 and im the size of 2 |
| 16:25.16 | TMA_Dryeyece | so go figure |
| 16:25.36 | Nash|327 | eat for 2 = pregnant |
| 16:25.46 | TMA_Dryeyece | I dont think he is preggers lol, I think he just means he eats enough for 2 |
| 16:25.54 | Kueken | we seem to be part of an active nutritions exchange chain |
| 16:26.02 | TMA_Dryeyece | of course I am making the assumption it a he |
| 16:26.19 | Kueken | "he" and "pregnant" would at least be somewhat unlikely |
| 16:26.35 | TMA_Dryeyece | yall can kiss my ass man, now Im frikkin starving, brb getting some grub lol |
| 16:26.36 | Nash|327 | remove the "e" and it's definitely a male nick D_D |
| 16:26.56 | Kueken | only swedish, man ;) |
| 16:27.01 | Nash|327 | yes |
| 16:27.06 | Nash|327 | but still |
| 16:27.07 | Kueken | I am german, and kueken means biddy, young chicken |
| 16:27.18 | Kueken | so probably more f a female nick |
| 16:27.21 | Kueken | *of |
| 16:27.26 | Petoj87_ | hmm wtf Nash :P |
| 16:27.32 | Stewox | but it sound male to me |
| 16:27.45 | Nash|327 | wtf? |
| 16:27.50 | Stewox | i learn german , i know they have a mixed gender system |
| 16:28.00 | Petoj87_ | the result from removing e from the name :P |
| 16:28.01 | Stewox | DER DIE DAS |
| 16:28.07 | Kueken | "Küken" itself is neutral |
| 16:28.16 | Kueken | but since its sweet and fluffy |
| 16:28.18 | Stewox | Die Kueken |
| 16:28.30 | Nash|327 | :G |
| 16:28.30 | Kueken | it could be associated with female |
| 16:28.33 | Stewox | Der Kueken |
| 16:28.35 | Nash|327 | kuken with two pricks |
| 16:28.40 | Kueken | Das Küken |
| 16:28.41 | TMA_Dryeyece | Woot, Honey buns, and Swiss Rolls...breakfast of the champ...err fatties |
| 16:28.50 | Kueken | ue = ü |
| 16:28.58 | Stewox | ah ofcourse |
| 16:29.07 | Kueken | but it won't allow "ü" in my nick :( |
| 16:29.17 | TMA_Dryeyece | my dumbass was pronouncing it in my head, Kweeken |
| 16:29.20 | Stewox | de or at ? |
| 16:29.28 | Kueken | de |
| 16:29.30 | Nash|327 | ü is too metal |
| 16:29.35 | Nash|327 | can't have that |
| 16:29.45 | Kueken | metal <3 |
| 16:29.52 | Kueken | in germany its a common letter |
| 16:30.01 | Kueken | nothing special about it, actually |
| 16:30.09 | Nash|327 | German Y |
| 16:30.20 | TMA_Dryeyece | its like that for all of the Slavic Languages isnt it |
| 16:30.27 | Kueken | I know, in us its a different story ;) |
| 16:30.42 | Nash|327 | German isn't a Slavic language D_D |
| 16:30.53 | Kueken | its a germanic one :D |
| 16:30.53 | Stewox | haha |
| 16:30.56 | Stewox | yep |
| 16:30.56 | TMA_Dryeyece | pass me what you are smoking |
| 16:31.01 | Stewox | Slavic is mine |
| 16:31.08 | Stewox | it's totally different |
| 16:31.13 | TMA_Dryeyece | is it really? |
| 16:31.18 | Stewox | of course |
| 16:31.23 | Stewox | it's TOTALLY different |
| 16:31.32 | TMA_Dryeyece | I thought all of the Swiss, German, Russian languages were Slavic |
| 16:31.38 | Nash|327 | lawl |
| 16:31.44 | Stewox | AAHHHHHHHAHA |
| 16:31.48 | Stewox | no TMA |
| 16:31.49 | TMA_Dryeyece | like how a lot of the other languages are latin based |
| 16:32.14 | Stewox | Swiss German English Finnish Belgian Lux are germanic |
| 16:32.25 | Nash|327 | not a cunning linguist, I see |
| 16:32.31 | Stewox | there are more ... |
| 16:32.52 | TMA_Dryeyece | lol, not when it involves languages outisde my continent |
| 16:33.01 | AlphA_VsT | rawrt |
| 16:33.16 | Kueken | I could not name any language "tribes" in africa either :D |
| 16:33.20 | TMA_Dryeyece | but see this is how we learn, now I know that German in fact is not a slavic language |
| 16:33.28 | TMA_Dryeyece | lol |
| 16:34.11 | Nash|327 | try Wikipedia instead |
| 16:34.14 | Stewox | it's a funny thing |
| 16:34.18 | TMA_Dryeyece | lol |
| 16:34.22 | Nash|327 | should be more educational than IRC :o |
| 16:34.27 | AlphA_VsT | you can say the nicest shit in german and sound like your going to kill someone <3 |
| 16:34.34 | Stewox | cause "Germanic" is a group and how German woudln't be a part of it hehee |
| 16:35.19 | TMA_Dryeyece | yeah thats why I thought it was slavic, I just attributed slavic to all the languages that sound a little bit like someones hocking up a loogey while they are talking, at least to someone who doesnt understand a word of it it does |
| 16:35.31 | AlphA_VsT | anyone figgure out how to make a 2 level ramp http://i.imgur.com/Rnn1I.jpg? |
| 16:35.45 | Nash|327 | still can't let that go eh? :P |
| 16:35.48 | Kueken | Alpha: For me it sounds like that, if I hear russian or turish people talk |
| 16:35.57 | Kueken | *turkish |
| 16:35.59 | TMA_Dryeyece | I did |
| 16:36.05 | TMA_Dryeyece | but it isnt a ramp |
| 16:36.24 | AlphA_VsT | mines a real fucking ramp lol |
| 16:36.35 | TMA_Dryeyece | I tried to figure out how to do it with a ramp for a lng ass time |
| 16:36.42 | Kueken | well, if you want to laugh about my language |
| 16:36.45 | TMA_Dryeyece | and you just cant |
| 16:36.53 | Kueken | just watch the video at mapster frontpage |
| 16:37.01 | AlphA_VsT | but you could in beta so easly by clicking :( |
| 16:37.02 | AlphA_VsT | once |
| 16:37.05 | Kueken | and hear my german accent :D |
| 16:37.08 | Stewox | the real funny thing is , the german and english are in the same group while they have very little similarities , but all slavic langages have a LOT of similarities |
| 16:37.12 | AlphA_VsT | im going to make a post about it fuck |
| 16:37.31 | Nash|327 | you said that before |
| 16:37.35 | Nash|327 | you didn't yet? |
| 16:37.38 | TMA_Dryeyece | Is german also based on Latin? |
| 16:37.50 | Nash|327 | English is a hybrid |
| 16:38.05 | Kueken | german is at least influenced by latin |
| 16:38.13 | Nash|327 | Influenced by whoever conquered the British Isles. |
| 16:38.22 | Stewox | TMA you may thought German a slavic , that's because it's system is similar , they have Cases , 4 of them , while slavic usually have 6 or 5 Cases |
| 16:38.28 | Nash|327 | So it's Germanic and Latin based... |
| 16:38.44 | Stewox | German also has the same time system , 3 times, |
| 16:39.02 | Stewox | past present future , while english has 18 times lol |
| 16:39.11 | TMA_Dryeyece | huh? |
| 16:39.13 | Stewox | super future will future omg wtf passive past |
| 16:39.38 | TMA_Dryeyece | I was following you just fine up until that comment lol |
| 16:39.51 | Kueken | if you put it that way, german has some extra tenses as well |
| 16:39.57 | Stewox | i don't know how much actually , i heard english has about 19 tenses |
| 16:40.01 | Stewox | times = tense |
| 16:40.02 | Kueken | past perfect, future 2 |
| 16:40.07 | TMA_Dryeyece | IMO there is only past and future, the present doesnt actually exist |
| 16:40.07 | Kueken | something like that |
| 16:40.13 | Stewox | that was a joke |
| 16:40.34 | Kueken | yay, philosophy vs linguistic |
| 16:40.39 | TMA_Dryeyece | lol |
| 16:40.43 | Kueken | lets see which one comes out on top |
| 16:40.51 | Nash|327 | arguably the present is the only thing that does exist |
| 16:40.57 | TMA_Dryeyece | negative |
| 16:41.02 | Nash|327 | the past doesn't exist anywhere |
| 16:41.05 | TMA_Dryeyece | its impossible for the present to exist |
| 16:41.12 | blub_ | syltman: got the time now |
| 16:41.17 | TMA_Dryeyece | because the exact momoent it does exist it becomes the past |
| 16:41.17 | Kueken | conclusion: nothing exists |
| 16:41.22 | Kueken | time does not exist |
| 16:41.31 | Nash|327 | kittuns are cute |
| 16:41.32 | Nash|327 | QED |
| 16:41.35 | TMA_Dryeyece | lol |
| 16:41.53 | Stewox | anyways english just has so much tenses to make up for the lack of Cases , the word is always the same |
| 16:41.56 | Kueken | there is no kittun |
| 16:42.05 | Stewox | :p |
| 16:42.05 | Kueken | *spoon |
| 16:42.12 | syltman | blub_ problem already solved lol :P |
| 16:42.18 | Stewox | okay |
| 16:42.18 | syltman | finally |
| 16:42.22 | Nash|327 | onoes I started that video on front page |
| 16:42.23 | Stewox | no more lang talk |
| 16:42.27 | Nash|327 | zee germans |
| 16:42.38 | TMA_Dryeyece | and the Cake is a Lie |
| 16:42.41 | blub_ | syltman: oh |
| 16:42.43 | Kueken | the one with the terrible accent = me |
| 16:42.44 | blub_ | syltman: what was it? |
| 16:42.52 | Kueken | :) |
| 16:43.10 | Stewox | ich bin anton aus tirol :p |
| 16:43.13 | Kueken | when I hear myself while talking, it does not sound THAT bad xD |
| 16:43.14 | syltman | blub_ something was messed up with the unit itself, I copied over the fields from the unit I based it on and edited it back to normal and it worked |
| 16:43.25 | syltman | blub_ just goes to show that the editor is still buggy |
| 16:43.29 | Nash|327 | I sound American. |
| 16:43.30 | Nash|327 | D_D |
| 16:43.38 | TMA_Dryeyece | neither does mine lol but people I talk to say the southern accent is really thick |
| 16:44.00 | Stewox | honestly |
| 16:44.04 | Nash|327 | You wouldn't guess I'm Swedish. |
| 16:44.13 | TMA_Dryeyece | whats funny as hell is listening to Aussies try to fake an american accent |
| 16:44.31 | TMA_Dryeyece | or at least the ones I know |
| 16:44.55 | TMA_Dryeyece | Do you live in Sweden still? |
| 16:44.58 | Stewox | american accent sounds like (no offense but honestly). > braggy , "i don't give a fuck" - kind of ... :P |
| 16:45.12 | Petoj87_ | Is there any mod(math) function in sc2 for trigger? |
| 16:45.23 | TMA_Dryeyece | yes |
| 16:45.31 | TMA_Dryeyece | you can probaly perform literally any equation |
| 16:45.42 | Nash|327 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFSwNS_GWM8 <- sounds like crap, but not Swedish |
| 16:45.44 | TMA_Dryeyece | in the functions list there is a category literally named Math |
| 16:45.48 | Nash|327 | ;G |
| 16:46.17 | Nash|327 | modulo, yes |
| 16:46.28 | Petoj87_ | ok tnx |
| 16:46.31 | Stewox | whenever i think of sweden i think of julian assange , ah .. |
| 16:46.32 | TMA_Dryeyece | ya you dont really have an accent |
| 16:47.16 | Kueken | no, not from american point of view ;) |
| 16:48.06 | TMA_Dryeyece | lol |
| 16:48.09 | Nash|327 | I learnt English from watching TV and reading subtitles when I was like 5 so |
| 16:48.12 | TMA_Dryeyece | I was talkin to Nash |
| 16:48.17 | TMA_Dryeyece | lol |
| 16:48.19 | Kueken | I know |
| 16:48.20 | Nash|327 | not surprising I sound American :G |
| 16:48.32 | TMA_Dryeyece | you sound stoned to the bone |
| 16:48.38 | TMA_Dryeyece | like your talking almost in slow motion |
| 16:48.43 | Kueken | me? |
| 16:48.47 | Kueken | Im shy :) |
| 16:48.49 | TMA_Dryeyece | you should narrate the science channel |
| 16:48.56 | TMA_Dryeyece | =p |
| 16:49.01 | TMA_Dryeyece | Nash* |
| 16:49.13 | Nash|327 | cold + shitty mic |
| 16:49.21 | TMA_Dryeyece | I feel actually quite a bit calmer |
| 16:49.22 | Nash|327 | and I'm reading from a script in my head |
| 16:49.28 | Stewox | i learned english from cartoon network and discovery channel at ages from like 4 and on ... without subtitles (subtitles were introduced in like 2006 i think for discovery in my country) |
| 16:49.37 | Kueken | someone told me my voice would be perfect for crisis line :D |
| 16:49.37 | TMA_Dryeyece | your doing good then cuz you dont say Uhh or Umm much at all |
| 16:49.44 | Nash|327 | it's not really natural speech that way |
| 16:49.58 | TMA_Dryeyece | ohh snap sorry I fell asleep for a second there =p |
| 16:50.26 | Kueken | happens at 0650 :) |
| 16:50.34 | A1win | what exactly do the "strong againt" and "weak agains" in the unit listings mean? |
| 16:50.47 | Stewox | nothing |
| 16:50.52 | Kueken | you can watch it up in te help menu |
| 16:50.53 | Stewox | in particular |
| 16:51.07 | TMA_Dryeyece | they are only relevant to Starcraft 2's game |
| 16:51.13 | Stewox | nothing important should i say |
| 16:51.23 | Nash|327 | units it counters and what counters the unit |
| 16:51.29 | Kueken | well, you can use them yourself, if you plan on using the help menu extensively |
| 16:51.35 | TMA_Dryeyece | most custom games they are completely ittelelvant but its just what it seems, it tells you what units that unit can counter and what units can counter it |
| 16:51.37 | Kueken | but usually you won't need it at all |
| 16:51.52 | A1win | I'm talking about melee games ;p |
| 16:52.03 | Kueken | its just information |
| 16:52.14 | Kueken | which unit is usually strong against which other |
| 16:52.18 | A1win | I know what the intention for them is, but I want to know what *exactly* they mean, if anything |
| 16:52.33 | A1win | some units do additional damage against others, so that could be the "strong against" part |
| 16:52.35 | Kueken | well |
| 16:52.42 | Kueken | if there is a marine |
| 16:52.43 | A1win | but what's the "weak against" then |
| 16:52.56 | Nash|327 | units that do more damage to it |
| 16:53.00 | Kueken | and it has weak against banelings |
| 16:53.04 | TMA_Dryeyece | well it could be that, or it could be that one has an armor type that is strong against or weak against whats listed also |
| 16:53.04 | Nash|327 | or can detect it when cloaked |
| 16:53.06 | Nash|327 | etc |
| 16:53.08 | Kueken | it will probably die fast to banelings ^^ |
| 16:53.27 | TMA_Dryeyece | Like ghosts are weak to those little flying cloaked thingies the protoss make, because they can expose the ghost |
| 16:53.38 | A1win | like archon has "weak against ultralisk" |
| 16:53.50 | Kueken | xD |
| 16:53.51 | Kueken | strange |
| 16:54.03 | Kueken | archons are quite powerful against ultras usually |
| 16:54.04 | TMA_Dryeyece | that would be opposite I would think |
| 16:54.10 | A1win | and ghost doesn't have weak against observer :p |
| 16:54.12 | TMA_Dryeyece | because the Archon does extra dmg to Biological |
| 16:54.37 | Kueken | and archons are not armored so ultras do very little damage to them |
| 16:54.41 | TMA_Dryeyece | Observer thats the name lol, you can tell I don't melee |
| 16:54.47 | Kueken | and they don'T clump up very much |
| 16:55.15 | Kueken | so its even misleading information |
| 16:55.24 | Kueken | well, it has no effect on gameplay at all |
| 16:55.26 | Nash|327 | shields take full damage from everything though? |
| 16:55.32 | Nash|327 | As I recall. |
| 16:55.33 | Stewox | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:55.37 | TMA_Dryeyece | yeah I would think an archon would pwn an ultralisk |
| 16:55.37 | Stewox | doesn't work right |
| 16:55.40 | Stewox | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:55.45 | Kueken | upgrading shield causes it to reduce damage |
| 16:55.49 | Kueken | similar to armor |
| 16:55.49 | Stewox | ah sorry for double paste |
| 16:55.58 | Kueken | and stuff like + to armored |
| 16:56.04 | Kueken | works for shields as well |
| 16:56.19 | TMA_Dryeyece | yeah that part is just based off a unit flag |
| 16:56.25 | Stewox | I need to pik ALL units in a REGION |
| 16:56.32 | Stewox | there's so weird |
| 16:56.52 | Stewox | it's Random and It's Specific unit (index) , there's "picked unit" dunno about that |
| 16:56.52 | TMA_Dryeyece | that should be what that function does by default when you add it |
| 16:56.55 | A1win | ultras kill archons though |
| 16:56.55 | A1win | which is what we were wondering |
| 16:56.55 | A1win | why is that D: |
| 16:57.01 | Stewox | but there's no ALL UNITS in region |
| 16:57.21 | Nash|327 | stop putting so much info in events :G |
| 16:57.24 | TMA_Dryeyece | you are using a unit group to get there, gimme a sec to open my editor |
| 16:57.27 | Kueken | then pick all units and check in the conditions, if they are in the area |
| 16:57.34 | AlphA_VsT | YAY |
| 16:57.34 | AlphA_VsT | hopefully |
| 16:57.34 | AlphA_VsT | i get an answer |
| 16:57.34 | AlphA_VsT | :( |
| 16:57.34 | AlphA_VsT | im wondering if i can find the sc2 beta editor and use that to create my ramp 0.o |
| 16:57.55 | Nash|327 | Any Unit dies |
| 16:57.57 | Nash|327 | event done |
| 16:57.58 | Kueken | a1win: 1 ultra vs 1 archon, same upgrades ultra wins? |
| 16:58.00 | TMA_Dryeyece | no one would be able to play it though |
| 16:58.17 | TMA_Dryeyece | not if you kite it with the archon |
| 16:58.26 | Stewox | Nash |
| 16:58.30 | Stewox | that doesn't work |
| 16:58.36 | Stewox | it's not player specific |
| 16:58.39 | Nash|327 | sure it does |
| 16:58.43 | Stewox | and it's not in a region |
| 16:58.45 | Nash|327 | that's what conditions are for |
| 16:58.51 | A1win | Kueken, was a situation with a lot of both |
| 16:58.55 | A1win | dunno exactly ;p |
| 16:58.58 | Stewox | and also , it's not a specific unit |
| 16:59.05 | Nash|327 | events are just what the game can listen to |
| 16:59.13 | Stewox | for example only zerglings (if all of them die) |
| 16:59.30 | Nash|327 | Oh something happened, let me check if that was what I was supposed to do something about. |
| 16:59.31 | Kueken | well, you cannot say 1 unit is stronger than the other, because 2 armies defeatet each other in a specific scenario |
| 16:59.36 | rynti | A (maybe not so) small question: Is there any tutorial for upgrades? For example the ones in Marine Wars. Or does anyone here knows how to do that? |
| 16:59.37 | Nash|327 | *checks conditions* |
| 16:59.39 | Kueken | positioning plays a HUGE role |
| 16:59.49 | TMA_Dryeyece | ok Go to any trigger |
| 16:59.54 | Kueken | if the ultras surround the archons |
| 16:59.57 | TMA_Dryeyece | Stew |
| 16:59.59 | Kueken | they rip them apart |
| 17:00.12 | Kueken | if they fight in a chooke, maybe archons would win |
| 17:00.29 | TMA_Dryeyece | and in actions add a new action, choose Pick Each Unit in Unit Group |
| 17:00.38 | Kueken | also numbers play a huge role |
| 17:01.03 | Nash|327 | what you do is Any unit dies |
| 17:01.04 | rynti | @TMA_Dryeyece: Are you talking to me? |
| 17:01.08 | TMA_Dryeyece | then click on Last Created Units to change it, and choose Units in Region Matching Filter |
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| 17:01.20 | TMA_Dryeyece | no @ Stewox |
| 17:01.27 | rynti | hm :( |
| 17:01.37 | rynti | no one can help me with my question? |
| 17:01.44 | TMA_Dryeyece | what was it? |
| 17:01.54 | rynti | "A (maybe not so) small question: Is there any tutorial for upgrades? For example the ones in Marine Wars. Or does anyone here knows how to do that?" |
| 17:02.27 | TMA_Dryeyece | I dunno but if theres a tutorial but I know how to do them |
| 17:02.34 | Stewox | there's only PICKED UNIT |
| 17:02.43 | TMA_Dryeyece | you did it wrong |
| 17:02.52 | AlphA_VsT | Stewox, what are you trying to do? |
| 17:02.55 | TMA_Dryeyece | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:02.56 | Stewox | Returns a Picked Unit from a "Pick Each unit from a Unit Group" |
| 17:03.01 | rynti | can you try to "teach" me after you helped stewox? |
| 17:03.40 | syltman | Is this not possible: Wall[i][j] = libNtve_gf_CreateUnitsAtPoint2(1, "Wall_Dirt", 0, 0, Point(X, Y)); |
| 17:03.43 | TMA_Dryeyece | as soon as you make a new action to pick each unit in unit group this line should show up " Unit Group - Pick each unit in (Last created units) and do (Actions)" |
| 17:03.45 | syltman | i and j are integers |
| 17:04.25 | Stewox | http://www.shrani.si/f/C/Wt/4wadcZzF/sc2pickunit.jpg |
| 17:04.25 | TMA_Dryeyece | then click on where it says last created unit and you should be in the functions selector window, and choose Units in Region Matching Filter |
| 17:04.48 | Stewox | Ah i used Units in Region Matching Condition |
| 17:04.51 | TMA_Dryeyece | thats the wrong function |
| 17:05.10 | AlphA_VsT | wtf are you trying to do lol |
| 17:05.41 | Kueken | you want all units in a region? |
| 17:05.54 | TMA_Dryeyece | wait it is condition |
| 17:05.58 | Kueken | units in region matching condition sounds good in this case, doesn't it? |
| 17:06.08 | TMA_Dryeyece | I needed to extend the row its in to see the whole name of the function |
| 17:06.29 | TMA_Dryeyece | its an action not an event though |
| 17:06.53 | Kueken | if he wants to pick units in an area, it has to be an action |
| 17:06.57 | Nash|327 | improper event |
| 17:07.16 | Nash|327 | people seem to have problems with events |
| 17:07.24 | Nash|327 | I don't think they understand them at the core. |
| 17:07.26 | TMA_Dryeyece | in the screenshot you sent me it looks like you are wokring in the Unit DIes event at the top, is whay I said that |
| 17:07.42 | AlphA_VsT | lol Nash|327 ? how the fuck can you not get events |
| 17:07.56 | blub_ | FREAKing EDITor... |
| 17:08.06 | blub_ | waveCount = 1 |
| 17:08.08 | Nash|327 | well when you put craploads of info in events :G |
| 17:08.15 | blub_ | I have a for loop from 0 to waveCount - 1 |
| 17:08.18 | blub_ | made with the GUI |
| 17:08.20 | TMA_Dryeyece | nahh that doesnt matter |
| 17:08.23 | Kueken | if you did not get the basic concept of event based triggers, its hart to understand at first |
| 17:08.28 | blub_ | and now I added a print "foo" to that loop |
| 17:08.31 | blub_ | IT RUNS 8 TIMES >.< |
| 17:08.38 | Stewox | ammm there's no Unit from Unit group matching filter either |
| 17:08.46 | Nash|327 | it's just something the game can listen for |
| 17:08.46 | Stewox | it's Events what im foing |
| 17:08.47 | Stewox | doing * |
| 17:08.58 | Nash|327 | you shouldn't do a bunch of operations in it |
| 17:09.00 | AlphA_VsT | Stewox, what are you trying to do? |
| 17:09.12 | Stewox | you can see in the picture |
| 17:09.13 | Stewox | http://www.shrani.si/f/C/Wt/4wadcZzF/sc2pickunit.jpg |
| 17:09.22 | Nash|327 | that doesn't answer the question |
| 17:09.23 | Kueken | currently your trigger runs |
| 17:09.37 | Stewox | it does |
| 17:09.38 | Kueken | 1. when 1 specific zergling dies |
| 17:09.44 | blub_ | oh |
| 17:09.45 | blub_ | right |
| 17:09.46 | Kueken | (you cannot even tell which one) |
| 17:09.50 | AlphA_VsT | ok Stewox |
| 17:09.52 | Kueken | 2. when any unit dies |
| 17:09.54 | blub_ | variable is set elsewhere... stupid GUI :P |
| 17:09.54 | Stewox | nope |
| 17:09.58 | Stewox | because they don't exist anymore |
| 17:10.06 | Stewox | anymore - not yet * |
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| 17:10.15 | Kueken | now |
| 17:10.18 | Kueken | stewox |
| 17:10.26 | Kueken | explain what you want to achieve |
| 17:10.32 | Kueken | in great detail please |
| 17:10.35 | Nash|327 | I don't know if it even runs when a zergling dies |
| 17:10.45 | Stewox | it does |
| 17:10.55 | AlphA_VsT | Stewox, add that unit to a unit group. then say unit dies and from the condition unit is in unit group |
| 17:10.57 | Kueken | yes, it runs when any unit dies ;) |
| 17:11.08 | Nash|327 | any unit, yes |
| 17:11.08 | AlphA_VsT | create 2 units at loction of triggerign unit |
| 17:11.12 | AlphA_VsT | bam done |
| 17:11.12 | Kueken | because you have 2 events, which fire separately |
| 17:11.20 | AlphA_VsT | next |
| 17:11.23 | Nash|327 | but the other event |
| 17:11.28 | Nash|327 | D_D |
| 17:11.31 | Stewox | i made it work , but it doesn't work everytime since it picks either a RANDOM zergling , or a SPECIFIC , there's no BUILTIN for ALL , |
| 17:11.32 | Kueken | might fire or not, |
| 17:11.37 | Stewox | no |
| 17:11.44 | Kueken | we need the rest of the map to know that for sure |
| 17:11.50 | Stewox | the second event is just a test to demonstrate window |
| 17:12.04 | Kueken | I would go for |
| 17:12.09 | Kueken | event: any unit dies |
| 17:12.10 | Nash|327 | the game listens for things to happen |
| 17:12.12 | AlphA_VsT | i just fixed your issue why we still talking about this shit |
| 17:12.20 | Kueken | Condition: unit type of triggering unit == zergling |
| 17:12.22 | Nash|327 | if you don't tell it to listen for a specific unit to die |
| 17:12.37 | Kueken | Action: what you want |
| 17:12.50 | Nash|327 | then you'll just have to tell it to listen for any unit to die |
| 17:13.03 | AlphA_VsT | this is such a fucking simple problem |
| 17:13.05 | AlphA_VsT | why |
| 17:13.05 | Nash|327 | events should be simple |
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| 17:13.22 | AlphA_VsT | why is it not fixed yet |
| 17:13.47 | Stewox | em |
| 17:13.55 | Stewox | it has to be player specific |
| 17:14.03 | Kueken | great |
| 17:14.07 | Kueken | another condition :) |
| 17:14.11 | Stewox | or else it will just create zergs for the other players too |
| 17:14.34 | Nash|327 | http://pastebin.com/kYmJjsxr |
| 17:14.36 | Kueken | again, what do you want exactly? |
| 17:14.40 | Nash|327 | that's how you use events D_D |
| 17:14.40 | AlphA_VsT | UNIT GROUPS |
| 17:14.41 | AlphA_VsT | DO IT |
| 17:14.45 | Kueken | spawn a zergling, if one dies? |
| 17:14.54 | AlphA_VsT | not f ucking hard |
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| 17:15.19 | AlphA_VsT | not fucking hard at all |
| 17:15.40 | Kueken | guys... things like "THIS IS FUCKING SIMPLE" do not help the slightest... |
| 17:15.50 | Kueken | maybe it is for you |
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| 17:16.07 | AlphA_VsT | and i said how to fix it |
| 17:16.22 | Kueken | then try it again, in a way stewox gets it :) |
| 17:16.29 | Nash|327 | all my unit events are: Any unit or one specific, preplaced, unit |
| 17:16.35 | Nash|327 | the rest is done in conditions |
| 17:16.41 | Stewox | wait up ... i'll make another screenshot |
| 17:17.29 | AlphA_VsT | if your doing it wrong Stewox a ss isnt much help if you dont tell us what you are trying to do very specifically like |
| 17:18.05 | Kueken | well, you ar right about that ;) |
| 17:18.18 | AlphA_VsT | and unit groups |
| 17:18.53 | Nash|327 | step 1: describe what you want to accomplish |
| 17:19.03 | Nash|327 | step 2: describe what you have done so far |
| 17:19.15 | Nash|327 | do not skip step 1 D: |
| 17:19.27 | Nash|327 | It makes helping you impossible. |
| 17:21.33 | AlphA_VsT | but yeah |
| 17:21.49 | JademusSreg | pch00000 |
| 17:21.51 | AlphA_VsT | 0.o |
| 17:21.57 | AlphA_VsT | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:21.59 | Stewox | http://www.shrani.si/f/1i/by/1Sffk4PZ/sc2eventanyunitgroup.jpg |
| 17:22.03 | AlphA_VsT | ops bug |
| 17:22.35 | AlphA_VsT | hey look Stewox i just gave you an answer with a condition |
| 17:22.45 | Stewox | i know |
| 17:22.51 | Stewox | but why blizzard skimped on this |
| 17:22.57 | AlphA_VsT | they didnt |
| 17:23.03 | AlphA_VsT | your doing it wrong |
| 17:23.05 | Stewox | it's freaking stupid to lack such a built in |
| 17:23.14 | JademusSreg | *You're |
| 17:23.24 | Dekar | buuuurn |
| 17:23.24 | Stewox | no for fuck sake , if there is Random and Specific why can't there be ALL ? |
| 17:23.41 | AlphA_VsT | because of how events work |
| 17:23.42 | AlphA_VsT | 0.o |
| 17:23.50 | JademusSreg | Just demonstrating the Axiogenic Principle of Irony. =D |
| 17:23.50 | Stewox | ah come on |
| 17:23.55 | Stewox | this is pathetic |
| 17:24.11 | AlphA_VsT | you COULD |
| 17:24.15 | Stewox | don't be supportive ... this is a lame and lazy mistake |
| 17:24.19 | AlphA_VsT | create your own custom event |
| 17:24.25 | Stewox | by blizz :p |
| 17:24.31 | Stewox | i don't know how to :p |
| 17:24.34 | AlphA_VsT | and make it loop trough all of the units in a player group |
| 17:24.42 | AlphA_VsT | or you can just fucking use ((Triggering unit) is in Unit Group) == true |
| 17:24.59 | Stewox | cannot |
| 17:25.03 | Kueken | you could also use galaxy code and register new events at runtime for every zergling entering the map ;) |
| 17:25.06 | Stewox | it needs to scan for new units in real-time |
| 17:25.09 | Kueken | if you desire to do so |
| 17:25.16 | AlphA_VsT | Stewox, |
| 17:25.23 | AlphA_VsT | UNIT DIES!!!! |
| 17:25.33 | Stewox | the zerglings im Targeting don't exist yet |
| 17:25.33 | AlphA_VsT | thats all you need |
| 17:25.46 | Stewox | nope |
| 17:25.49 | Stewox | it's not player specific |
| 17:25.59 | Stewox | or i can do that via conditions ? |
| 17:26.03 | Kueken | its also not unit specific |
| 17:26.04 | AlphA_VsT | your a moron im done trying |
| 17:26.05 | Kueken | yes |
| 17:26.11 | Kueken | thats what conditions are for |
| 17:26.24 | Kueken | you go like event: any unit dies |
| 17:26.34 | Kueken | which triggers when any unit by any player dies |
| 17:26.36 | Stewox | i have looken into conditions , there's nothing else than OR AND COMPARRISON and some else |
| 17:26.40 | Stewox | basially nothing there |
| 17:26.40 | Kueken | then you add conditions |
| 17:26.53 | Kueken | to separate the player and unit type you want |
| 17:27.00 | AlphA_VsT | nits in a player group |
| 17:27.00 | AlphA_VsT | ((Triggering unit) is in Unit Group) == true is a condition |
| 17:27.21 | Kueken | comparison actually implies about everything you want |
| 17:27.29 | AlphA_VsT | hey look it has to be in this unit group for me to do anything |
| 17:27.31 | Kueken | you can compare the owner of the unit with player 1 |
| 17:27.46 | Kueken | and you can compare the unit type of the unit with the zergling unit type |
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| 17:28.15 | Stewox | it has to be a unit group because i want only a specific type of units (eg zerglings) and that also enables the option to set a specific player |
| 17:28.17 | AlphA_VsT | Kueken, even that all he needs is in unit group and to properlly add units to unit groups |
| 17:28.38 | AlphA_VsT | Stewox, again ((Triggering unit) is in Unit Group) == true |
| 17:28.56 | Stewox | That's an action |
| 17:28.59 | Kueken | no |
| 17:29.01 | AlphA_VsT | no its a condition |
| 17:29.03 | Kueken | a condition |
| 17:29.11 | Kueken | just pick comparison |
| 17:29.16 | Kueken | on the left side |
| 17:29.22 | Stewox | Triggering unit must be set ... |
| 17:29.26 | Kueken | pick the unit group thing |
| 17:29.40 | AlphA_VsT | Stewox, the triggerign unit is the unit that dies |
| 17:29.41 | Kueken | triggering unit is the unit, which triggers the event |
| 17:29.45 | AlphA_VsT | how hard is that to get |
| 17:29.55 | Kueken | in this case it automatically holds the dying unit |
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| 17:30.58 | Bounty | Hai guys |
| 17:31.04 | JademusSreg | Hi. |
| 17:31.23 | Stewox | .... okay |
| 17:31.31 | Stewox | get back 1 min just brb |
| 17:33.39 | Stewox | Alpha_VSt |
| 17:33.42 | Bounty | JademusSreg |
| 17:33.42 | Stewox | look the action |
| 17:33.48 | Stewox | that's Triggerin Unit there |
| 17:33.49 | Bounty | Do you know how to hide the selection circle? |
| 17:33.50 | Stewox | i got that |
| 17:34.23 | Stewox | im not stupid , it's just i don't get how a Condition works for action or event , obviously event , and you can't set "triggering unit" in events |
| 17:34.39 | Kueken | it gets set by the event automatically |
| 17:34.41 | AlphA_VsT | bounty you can cahnge the model of the selection |
| 17:34.45 | AlphA_VsT | its an actor |
| 17:34.49 | Kueken | some events are triggered by a unit |
| 17:34.52 | Bounty | what actor is it? |
| 17:35.03 | Kueken | the "unit dies" event obviously belongs to them |
| 17:35.08 | AlphA_VsT | seacrh selection |
| 17:35.10 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 17:35.14 | Bounty | no shit |
| 17:35.15 | Bounty | ive done that |
| 17:35.19 | Bounty | but there are like 20 actors |
| 17:35.20 | Kueken | so as soon as the "unit dies" event triggers |
| 17:35.21 | Bounty | that show up |
| 17:35.22 | Bounty | lol |
| 17:35.37 | Kueken | the triggering unit for the rest of this trigger is the unit that died |
| 17:36.16 | Bounty | which actor is it? |
| 17:36.33 | AlphA_VsT | its the local one bounty or should be |
| 17:37.11 | Bounty | ok but |
| 17:37.13 | Bounty | there is no model |
| 17:37.19 | Bounty | for the LocalSelection actor |
| 17:37.29 | AlphA_VsT | the change its size and shit |
| 17:37.29 | JademusSreg | Getting event response objects is thread-local. |
| 17:37.38 | JademusSreg | Just like Kueken said. |
| 17:37.39 | AlphA_VsT | i think it has an alpha |
| 17:37.51 | Bounty | whats that |
| 17:38.32 | AlphA_VsT | JademusSreg, that might confuse him even more :P |
| 17:38.32 | AlphA_VsT | alpha is how much shows? |
| 17:38.43 | JademusSreg | Heh. |
| 17:38.50 | Bounty | yeah but there is no model... |
| 17:38.51 | Bounty | at all |
| 17:38.53 | Helral|Afk | Bounty: it doesn't have an model because it's a shape ;p |
| 17:38.54 | Bounty | it says Model - None |
| 17:39.03 | AlphA_VsT | dont worry about the model |
| 17:39.17 | AlphA_VsT | change the size of the thing and such |
| 17:39.44 | AlphA_VsT | hold on |
| 17:40.10 | Stewox | yeah |
| 17:40.15 | Stewox | but it's not only one unit that dies |
| 17:40.24 | Stewox | the unit after him |
| 17:40.31 | AlphA_VsT | bounty set the scale to 0 |
| 17:41.35 | AlphA_VsT | Stewox, if its in the unit group it doesnt matter |
| 17:41.49 | Bounty | doesnt work Alpha |
| 17:43.10 | AlphA_VsT | fucking set eveyrthign to 0 then lol |
| 17:43.16 | Bounty | did |
| 17:43.18 | Bounty | doesnt work |
| 17:43.28 | Helral|Afk | what you trying? |
| 17:43.51 | Bounty | Just trying to hide the selection circles |
| 17:45.12 | AlphA_VsT | bounty are you editing the ground local or just the local? |
| 17:45.16 | Stewox | Also guys , truth is , if you have a lot of simple triggers like "any unit dies" then conditions, the engine will listen for a lot of stuff and digest all of that at the same time so ... more lag |
| 17:45.18 | AlphA_VsT | do the ground 0.o sorry |
| 17:45.35 | Bounty | LocalSelection |
| 17:45.38 | Bounty | thats what u said to do |
| 17:45.39 | AlphA_VsT | also remove teh preslection |
| 17:45.39 | Bounty | right? |
| 17:45.46 | AlphA_VsT | i was guessing :D |
| 17:45.48 | AlphA_VsT | its ground |
| 17:45.53 | AlphA_VsT | local |
| 17:46.25 | AlphA_VsT | set everything to 0 and forget about it lol |
| 17:46.40 | AlphA_VsT | do preselection also |
| 17:46.52 | AlphA_VsT | or you will get the hover ring |
| 17:47.02 | Bounty | it werkz |
| 17:47.10 | Bounty | lolol |
| 17:47.57 | AlphA_VsT | yaya |
| 17:48.10 | Stewox | global variables go where |
| 17:48.16 | Stewox | into local variables in map init ? |
| 17:48.21 | AlphA_VsT | no |
| 17:48.36 | AlphA_VsT | on the left with your triggers |
| 17:49.03 | Stewox | yes ... |
| 17:49.21 | AlphA_VsT | Stewox, you only need one trigger for each event |
| 17:49.24 | AlphA_VsT | 0.o |
| 17:49.36 | Stewox | i have two triggers |
| 17:49.42 | Stewox | one for player 1 |
| 17:49.46 | Stewox | and the other for player 2 |
| 17:50.12 | Stewox | global variable ... |
| 17:50.23 | AlphA_VsT | i would say make a custom definition but |
| 17:50.56 | Stewox | What if i make my self a custom even Any Unit in Unit Group |
| 17:51.12 | Stewox | Shouldn't be that hard if i take Random Unit in Unit Group as an example |
| 17:51.13 | AlphA_VsT | thats like saying unit dies 0.o |
| 17:51.23 | AlphA_VsT | any unit dies |
| 17:51.27 | Stewox | it picks a unit |
| 17:51.33 | Stewox | in a region |
| 17:51.40 | AlphA_VsT | i read that wrong :D |
| 17:51.42 | AlphA_VsT | nm |
| 17:51.43 | Stewox | Any , Random , Specific |
| 17:52.02 | Stewox | Any/All is missing |
| 17:52.15 | AlphA_VsT | just do it Event - Any unit dies / condition - unit is in unit group |
| 17:52.44 | Nash|327 | I think we covered that already. |
| 17:52.46 | Nash|327 | D_D |
| 17:52.49 | AlphA_VsT | are event definitions still broken? |
| 17:52.52 | AlphA_VsT | yeah we did |
| 17:52.54 | Stewox | yes i know it's possible and i know YOU know and i know you're frustration ... im just pointing out what blizzard missed |
| 17:53.10 | AlphA_VsT | they didnt miss anything lol |
| 17:53.26 | Stewox | you had it right alpha |
| 17:53.36 | Stewox | just one thing missing , player condition |
| 17:53.39 | Stewox | player check |
| 17:53.41 | AlphA_VsT | nope |
| 17:53.43 | AlphA_VsT | why |
| 17:53.49 | AlphA_VsT | if they are in a unit group |
| 17:53.55 | Bounty | DIS NIGGA IZ CRRRRRAZY |
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| 17:54.03 | Bounty | lolol |
| 17:54.11 | AlphA_VsT | they should be owned by only 1 player correct |
| 17:54.19 | AlphA_VsT | OMG yes thats it |
| 17:54.48 | Nash|327 | different triggers for each player is so SC1 :/ |
| 17:54.53 | Stewox | unit group of zerglings alpha |
| 17:54.59 | Stewox | the oponent is also zerglings |
| 17:55.01 | Stewox | :p |
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| 17:55.15 | AlphA_VsT | you use a unit group for each player |
| 17:55.19 | AlphA_VsT | make it an array |
| 17:55.21 | AlphA_VsT | fuck |
| 17:55.32 | Nash|327 | why a unit group? |
| 17:55.51 | AlphA_VsT | lets not get started on that |
| 17:55.56 | AlphA_VsT | just let it be |
| 17:55.57 | Kueken | unit group works |
| 17:56.02 | AlphA_VsT | yes |
| 17:56.03 | Stewox | that's because it needs to be only zerglings that are checked to die , not anyone else |
| 17:56.03 | Kueken | no unit group works as well |
| 17:56.05 | AlphA_VsT | it does |
| 17:56.27 | Nash|327 | unit type of triggering unit == Zergling |
| 17:56.36 | AlphA_VsT | Nash|327 FUCK |
| 17:56.58 | Kueken | :) |
| 17:57.02 | AlphA_VsT | now this shit is going to go on for another hour |
| 17:57.08 | Nash|327 | MWAHAHAHAHA |
| 17:57.41 | Stewox | hahaha |
| 17:57.54 | Stewox | so sorry for you alpha i get your frustration |
| 17:58.07 | AlphA_VsT | no you dont |
| 17:58.17 | Stewox | but it's going to be fun once it's done at least ... ground-work for something bigger/better |
| 17:58.27 | Nash|327 | why'd you tell him to use unit groups in the first place? :G |
| 17:58.46 | AlphA_VsT | thats what he had |
| 17:58.48 | AlphA_VsT | and it works |
| 17:58.53 | Kueken | nash: it seems like you want to familiarize stewox with the basics :) |
| 17:59.08 | AlphA_VsT | unit groups are more flexible |
| 17:59.09 | AlphA_VsT | also |
| 17:59.11 | AlphA_VsT | so fukc you |
| 17:59.25 | Nash|327 | unit groups use memory |
| 17:59.27 | AlphA_VsT | <3 unit groups |
| 17:59.50 | Stewox | i know the basics , i am a modder for cry sake |
| 18:00.00 | Stewox | im just not as experienced with blizzard tools ... |
| 18:00.11 | AlphA_VsT | then you should understand a simple thing like triggering unit 0.o |
| 18:00.11 | Kueken | well, thats what i meant |
| 18:00.14 | Stewox | but i know this time |
| 18:00.15 | Stewox | im not freaking wrong |
| 18:00.30 | Stewox | i do understand triggering unit |
| 18:00.40 | AlphA_VsT | uuh huh |
| 18:00.44 | Helral|Afk | hmmm sc2 crashes 60% of the time that I test my map .... |
| 18:00.51 | Helral|Afk | wonder why :S |
| 18:00.51 | AlphA_VsT | :( |
| 18:00.57 | AlphA_VsT | magic |
| 18:01.27 | Helral|Afk | it ain't really logical.... why would it crash x% of the time when it's still loading the map. |
| 18:01.45 | AlphA_VsT | magic |
| 18:02.12 | Helral|Afk | cast a dragon slave aimed at AlphA_VsT |
| 18:02.14 | AlphA_VsT | maybe you some how have some sort of loop that can happen |
| 18:02.24 | Helral|Afk | hmmm not really. |
| 18:02.42 | AlphA_VsT | not really? |
| 18:02.43 | Helral|Afk | my loops are only there after maploading, and the player clicked on start. |
| 18:02.49 | AlphA_VsT | oh |
| 18:02.53 | Stewox | got something from TMA |
| 18:02.56 | Stewox | i'll test now |
| 18:02.57 | Helral|Afk | they aren't run at map init orso. |
| 18:03.15 | Kueken | wow |
| 18:03.15 | AlphA_VsT | idono then :( |
| 18:03.24 | AlphA_VsT | tma? |
| 18:03.28 | Kueken | first he can cast meow while afk |
| 18:03.33 | Kueken | now even dragon slave |
| 18:03.35 | Dekar | douses Helral|Afk with a bucket of water |
| 18:03.50 | Dekar | the magic bucket of unafk |
| 18:03.55 | AlphA_VsT | yes |
| 18:03.57 | Helral | shakes of the icicles |
| 18:04.02 | Helral | meows |
| 18:04.22 | Kueken | thats my kitty |
| 18:04.33 | Kueken | now |
| 18:04.34 | Helral | currently trying to get async fake selection going. |
| 18:04.40 | Kueken | crash like in crash report? |
| 18:04.50 | Kueken | or miraculously closing without a message? |
| 18:05.09 | Helral | Kueken: crash report 60% of the time before it has loaded 10%. (fresh start of sc2) |
| 18:05.29 | Kueken | and this varies without any change to the map? |
| 18:05.35 | Helral | yup |
| 18:05.45 | Nash|327 | http://i.imgur.com/5fALw.jpg case closed? |
| 18:05.49 | Helral | I just click in the editor after the crash and hit ctrl+f9 |
| 18:05.51 | Kueken | difference between published/test? |
| 18:06.03 | Kueken | difference when picking different races? |
| 18:06.05 | Helral | no idea I'm only using ctrl+f9 ;p |
| 18:06.11 | Helral | I never pick races ;p |
| 18:06.19 | Kueken | some things crash the editor only in test mode :/ |
| 18:06.36 | Helral | well mine crashes sc2 in test mode 60% of the time. |
| 18:06.43 | Kueken | 60% crash suggests it could have something to do with the races |
| 18:07.05 | Helral | hmmm race is indeed set to random. |
| 18:07.09 | Helral | let's see if it's zerg ;p |
| 18:07.37 | Helral | alhough 60% would mean only 1 race works. |
| 18:07.41 | Kueken | yep |
| 18:08.00 | Helral | it just crashed with zerg. |
| 18:08.02 | Kueken | dunno, did you mess around with the layout files again? ;) |
| 18:08.04 | Helral | and now it runs it with zerg |
| 18:08.05 | Dekar | helral is so cute when he plays around with the pc: http://i676.photobucket.com/albums/vv123/LAVA-T-FoX/th_1213840630954.gif |
| 18:08.07 | Kueken | k |
| 18:08.12 | Kueken | so no race influence |
| 18:08.20 | Nash|327 | KITTUNS |
| 18:08.21 | Kueken | next step: |
| 18:08.27 | Helral | damnit you hacked my webcam didn't you? |
| 18:08.27 | Kueken | turn off all triggers :D |
| 18:08.43 | Helral | meows |
| 18:08.46 | Helral | lol Kueken.. |
| 18:08.57 | Helral | that would be a whole lot of triggers :) |
| 18:09.12 | Kueken | you can mass select, right-click -> disable |
| 18:09.27 | Helral | do you think all my triggers are enabled by default? |
| 18:09.29 | Kueken | or just save as component list and delete the trigger file :D |
| 18:09.59 | Helral | anyway back to getting async selection to work :S |
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| 18:11.52 | Nash|327 | alrighty, so who wants to play FRINGE 3.0!? |
| 18:13.10 | burne- | blub_ http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/project-workplace/20496-my-map-factory-star-drivers/#p18 |
| 18:13.13 | burne- | two arenas |
| 18:13.15 | burne- | :) |
| 18:14.29 | AlphA_VsT | awesome |
| 18:15.28 | Dustin | Sup people |
| 18:16.13 | Nash|327 | so anyone want to play Fringe 3.0 in 10-20 min or so? |
| 18:16.17 | Nash|327 | :G |
| 18:16.20 | AlphA_VsT | no |
| 18:16.27 | AlphA_VsT | no idea what fringe is |
| 18:16.28 | JademusSreg | Hi Dustin. |
| 18:16.44 | Dustin | How's it goin? |
| 18:17.00 | Nash|327 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFSwNS_GWM8 <- that is Fringe |
| 18:17.32 | JademusSreg | Pretty good. Photon Cycles is public, improved, and has topics on a number of forums except for TL. |
| 18:17.54 | JademusSreg | I'm thinking about my next map. |
| 18:19.28 | Nash|327 | I'll be on battle.net if anyone wants to |
| 18:19.29 | AlphA_VsT | awesome |
| 18:19.48 | burne- | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3I5h7UaOuk&feature=feedrec_grec_index |
| 18:19.49 | burne- | good stuff |
| 18:25.29 | Dustin | Nice |
| 18:25.43 | Dustin | I need to get my map done so I can start on a bigger project |
| 18:26.19 | JademusSreg | I need a dev buddy, somebody with whom I can boucne around ideas, to take on bigger projects. |
| 18:26.31 | Dustin | Me tooo |
| 18:26.36 | JademusSreg | Someone who can provide perspective on my ideas. |
| 18:26.46 | JademusSreg | And provide their own as well. |
| 18:27.01 | Bounty | Basically you just want someone to test your maps and give you feedback |
| 18:27.03 | Bounty | =P |
| 18:27.21 | JademusSreg | Naw.. |
| 18:27.30 | JademusSreg | A dev buddy is for cultivating ideas. |
| 18:27.50 | JademusSreg | And for deriding the bad ideas with good humor. =D |
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| 18:28.19 | Dustin | Someone who has some technical skill with the design processes would be nice |
| 18:29.17 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 18:29.55 | JademusSreg | My long-time dev buddy Alevice is more busy than usual, unable to allocate the time. |
| 18:30.03 | Dustin | Well it sounds like you and me need to be dev buddies |
| 18:30.12 | JademusSreg | Intriguing proposal. |
| 18:30.13 | Bounty | ^saw that coming |
| 18:30.58 | Bounty | Its like two gay dudes complaining to eachother that they are single |
| 18:31.02 | Bounty | Just blow eachother already |
| 18:31.06 | JademusSreg | Let's do a dry run. |
| 18:31.08 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 18:31.18 | Dustin | lol |
| 18:31.29 | blub_ | burne-: lol |
| 18:31.30 | blub_ | nice one |
| 18:33.07 | AlphA_VsT | wow |
| 18:34.02 | blub_ | hmmm |
| 18:34.18 | blub_ | hmmmmmm |
| 18:34.19 | JademusSreg | I've got 3 projects in the air. A catnmouse game between terran Marshals and zerg Infestors, role respective. A battlemage map where spells are drawn in an input field. A learning game for children. |
| 18:34.29 | blub_ | input please ^^ |
| 18:34.46 | JademusSreg | Yes, I prefer the second of the three. |
| 18:34.48 | Bounty | I would say you should make the learning game for children |
| 18:34.53 | blub_ | in my map, when creep reaches the base, they get banished for some "mana" cost, the mana is subtracted from the players |
| 18:34.55 | Bounty | Alot of people on bnet could use that |
| 18:35.00 | blub_ | now, when multiple players are playing |
| 18:35.17 | blub_ | should they die seperately, or should I just subtract the mana from the players who actually have enough |
| 18:35.27 | blub_ | and end when they all reach 0 at once |
| 18:36.23 | blub_ | JademusSreg: spells are drawn? do you create effects for the mouse positions for that? |
| 18:36.49 | blub_ | like, spawn some effect wherever the mouse is to draw some line, and then do pattern matching to get a spell? |
| 18:36.52 | blub_ | or something like that? XD |
| 18:38.10 | JademusSreg | You could draw using using any combination of several colors representing different forms of magic into a cell-based field, each cell would cost 1 energy. Targetting would similarly be done by mouse click. |
| 18:38.25 | blub_ | ah |
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| 18:39.48 | JademusSreg | There is a simple, less satisfying way I can handle the cell state, and a far more complex, more satisfying way I can handle the cell state. |
| 18:40.00 | Dustin | I really want to finish my RTS/Skill Based game |
| 18:40.59 | JademusSreg | Elaborate? |
| 18:45.52 | Dustin | Have you played Savage or Natural Selection? |
| 18:46.02 | blub_ | that datatable is a nice thing |
| 18:46.23 | blub_ | keeps me from cluttering the the UI with variables for every small thing |
| 18:46.25 | JademusSreg | Not that I recall. |
| 18:46.40 | blub_ | Savage is nice :D |
| 18:46.50 | blub_ | but don't think you can do that with SC2 :P |
| 18:47.03 | blub_ | keyboard controls for first person mode = laggy suckage :( |
| 18:47.11 | blub_ | game lacks prediction code for that :( |
| 18:47.18 | Dustin | Well |
| 18:47.22 | Dustin | It's not TPS |
| 18:47.33 | Dustin | It's top down, Diablo style controls |
| 18:47.41 | blub_ | that works ofc =) |
| 18:47.52 | JademusSreg | I like the sound of that. |
| 18:47.57 | Dustin | Yeah so you've got 2 teams, each one has a commander |
| 18:48.07 | blub_ | yay |
| 18:48.29 | Dustin | And the commander plays out RTS style, getting resources, building buildings, and researching upgrades/tech for the Combat units |
| 18:48.34 | blub_ | I hope you implement ways to command players where to go :P |
| 18:48.39 | Dustin | Yeah |
| 18:48.41 | blub_ | even if it's just a ping |
| 18:49.04 | blub_ | will the commander be able to train normal units, like marines etc? :P |
| 18:49.06 | Dustin | It'll have a marker with Go To, Attack Here, Build Here etc |
| 18:49.08 | Dustin | Nope |
| 18:49.09 | blub_ | or "true" savage style |
| 18:49.12 | blub_ | yay |
| 18:49.13 | blub_ | awesome |
| 18:49.18 | Dustin | All the combat is done with class players |
| 18:49.25 | blub_ | great |
| 18:49.43 | Dustin | And each class hero has an unlockable weapon to switch between once tech has been researched as well as unlockable abilitys |
| 18:49.54 | Dustin | And new classes unlock from the commander teching up |
| 18:50.40 | Dustin | The commander has a couple Defensive Buildings they can make |
| 18:51.06 | Dustin | Terran race has Telesa Turret, Rocket Launcher and Magnetisim tower, which slows all enemy missiles in it's range |
| 18:51.26 | Dustin | There's gonna be 3 races, Toss,Zerg, Terran, each has it's own buildings/classes |
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| 18:52.37 | Dustin | I can't get the data assests to work with my current weapon system sadly |
| 18:52.42 | Dustin | So I've gotta comeup with a different Idea |
| 18:53.05 | Dustin | I wanted to make it so that you shoot in a direction and the missile jut travels till it hit's its range and goes away |
| 18:53.23 | JademusSreg | Like in the Lost Viking map. |
| 18:53.37 | Dustin | But I can't get the missiles to fly at the same level all the time, if you shoot off a cliff the missile slides on the ground cause it uses terrain height |
| 18:53.44 | Dustin | Lost vikings was easy |
| 18:53.47 | Dustin | They didnt have cliffs |
| 18:53.52 | JademusSreg | Yes, that is a problem. |
| 18:54.08 | Dustin | So I might have to just Trigger the weapons like my Top Down Fighters map |
| 18:54.13 | JademusSreg | You'd need to script the missile trajectories completely. |
| 18:54.42 | Dustin | If there was just a flag that let me keep missiles at a created height, I'd be set |
| 18:54.54 | Dustin | I thought they fixed it for me when they added Projectile Z offset |
| 18:55.15 | Dustin | But of course it doesnt have any effect on Launch Target, just Launch Position |
| 18:55.42 | TMA_Dryeyece | it does have an effect on where the missile impacts |
| 18:55.45 | blub_ | omg |
| 18:55.47 | TMA_Dryeyece | what can change that is the actor |
| 18:55.53 | blub_ | Dialog Item vars cannot be set to null :( |
| 18:55.57 | blub_ | annnoooooyyyyying |
| 18:56.05 | blub_ | but whatever, don't need it |
| 18:56.08 | Kueken | ? |
| 18:56.08 | blub_ | I guess :P |
| 18:56.15 | Kueken | dialog items are integers |
| 18:56.18 | Kueken | set them to 0 |
| 18:56.20 | Dustin | TMA, It's not targeting a unit or anything |
| 18:56.20 | blub_ | oh? |
| 18:56.25 | blub_ | oh okay |
| 18:56.30 | blub_ | I hope they start at 1 then |
| 18:56.32 | blub_ | or should I set to -1? |
| 18:56.33 | TMA_Dryeyece | if you are shooting a missile at a point |
| 18:56.34 | burne- | bluuuuub |
| 18:56.36 | Kueken | dunno, if that works in gui, though |
| 18:56.42 | JademusSreg | Why would you need to blub? |
| 18:56.49 | Kueken | I would use 0 |
| 18:56.50 | TMA_Dryeyece | you can make it impact at the position of the Z offset |
| 18:56.52 | blub_ | Kueken: point is I want them to be cleared when the item is destroyed |
| 18:57.02 | burne- | blub_ what shall i do next? add weapons or more arenas? or something else? |
| 18:57.08 | blub_ | and I like my cleared variables to also have no left-over linking value |
| 18:57.18 | blub_ | burne-: no idea, I'm also stuck :P |
| 18:57.31 | burne- | whats your problem? |
| 18:57.36 | Dustin | The problem with that is everything is based on Terrain height |
| 18:57.39 | blub_ | but in this case it's in an array anyway and I have clear bounds for the array which change :) |
| 18:57.46 | blub_ | burne-: I don't know what to do next ^^ |
| 18:57.52 | TMA_Dryeyece | yeah that part is annoying |
| 18:57.54 | blub_ | burne-: work on the inventory/gemcrafting |
| 18:57.56 | Dustin | And if I set a z offset to a units height and the point is off a cliff, that's not gonna work |
| 18:57.59 | JademusSreg | Yes, Dustin, I understand. |
| 18:58.04 | blub_ | or fill the map |
| 18:58.04 | burne- | kk |
| 18:58.06 | TMA_Dryeyece | and as faras I know theres no way around it |
| 18:58.18 | Dustin | Yeah, that's the bullshit I'm running into |
| 18:58.24 | burne- | you could also do the inventory like in aiur chef |
| 18:58.27 | Vail | would some one mind refreshing me on how validators work? |
| 18:58.28 | JademusSreg | Which is why all missiles would need to be scripted. |
| 18:58.30 | burne- | and then drop gems to the places |
| 18:58.35 | burne- | would make more sense in a way |
| 18:58.39 | Kueken | cant you set movers to use different planes? |
| 18:58.46 | Kueken | like ground, air or nothing? |
| 18:58.48 | Stewox | hey guys |
| 18:58.48 | blub_ | JademusSreg: I don't really absolutely need to right now |
| 18:58.57 | Stewox | i can't endoce FRAPS video with WME |
| 18:58.57 | TMA_Dryeyece | thats the one area I wish I knew more about....Movers |
| 18:59.00 | Stewox | no codec |
| 18:59.03 | blub_ | JademusSreg: thing is, I have a very dynamic system here |
| 18:59.08 | Dustin | I dont understand movers all the much, but I tried messing with them to no avail |
| 18:59.11 | blub_ | JademusSreg: do you know gemcraft? |
| 18:59.13 | TMA_Dryeyece | encode it with xvid |
| 18:59.28 | Stewox | quickie: anyone know to encode Fraps to video fast ? |
| 18:59.33 | Stewox | for youtube , but still HD |
| 18:59.36 | syltman | when does the click event fire? |
| 18:59.38 | TMA_Dryeyece | errg I mean use VirtualDub |
| 18:59.41 | syltman | it doesn't fire for me :S |
| 18:59.42 | blub_ | JademusSreg: basically, I setup my triggers and creation of them to automatically set up everything for any region of the map |
| 18:59.51 | TMA_Dryeyece | its free and it works excellently |
| 18:59.57 | JademusSreg | Gemcraft? |
| 19:00.14 | Dustin | brb |
| 19:00.29 | blub_ | well, my map is split into small towerdefens parts, always small sections where you have to defend your base against spawning creep |
| 19:01.24 | blub_ | and I made it set everything up automatically - basically I pass a function the section's region, and it auto-creates triggers for the spawning places, adds the wave buttons (which move up in the UI and when they hit the "go" position the waves are spawned), etc. |
| 19:02.02 | blub_ | so I also need to cleanup stuff - destroy triggers and wave buttons etc. |
| 19:02.17 | blub_ | and I wanted them to be set to null at the end because I'm a freak :P |
| 19:02.51 | Stewox | ah i had virtual dub installed |
| 19:02.56 | Stewox | how stupid i am to forgot |
| 19:03.10 | Stewox | ah nvm , ... carry on |
| 19:03.11 | TMA_Dryeyece | yeah you should be able to compress it with the Xvid codec with that program |
| 19:09.37 | syltman | Is there a function for changing the hue of a unit? |
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| 19:13.16 | syltman | kinda like the wc3 tint function |
| 19:13.25 | Stewox | yes |
| 19:13.27 | Stewox | Actor |
| 19:13.35 | Vail | i hate to repeat but could some one tell me how the validators work again, i have a validator on an effect and i want that effect to fire if the target has more than 10% of its hp but i cant get it to. |
| 19:13.35 | JademusSreg | Yup. |
| 19:13.39 | Stewox | Tint |
| 19:14.26 | Stewox | vail yes , .. you just didn't set it up correctly |
| 19:14.35 | Vail | that i am aware of |
| 19:14.43 | syltman | Stewox can't find the function |
| 19:14.55 | Stewox | got to the unit |
| 19:15.02 | Stewox | and go to it's actor |
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| 19:15.11 | syltman | well that changes the data |
| 19:15.12 | Stewox | go to Actor Events |
| 19:15.13 | Vail | sorry i didnt mean to sound like an ass right there im just a bit fustrated |
| 19:15.29 | Stewox | ... yes i don't think is possible via scripts |
| 19:15.35 | syltman | arrgh |
| 19:15.36 | Stewox | that im aware of |
| 19:16.03 | Stewox | vail , make a few screenshots |
| 19:16.17 | Stewox | syltman ask jademus |
| 19:16.33 | JademusSreg | What's going on? |
| 19:17.02 | syltman | I'm trying to tint a unit, it needs to be done when player 1 clicks it |
| 19:17.17 | syltman | if it's possible via triggers then that'd be cool |
| 19:18.12 | Dustin | Make a trigger that runs an effect on a unit, then in the units Actor Message make it tint when the effect is ran |
| 19:18.30 | syltman | Alright thanks |
| 19:18.39 | JademusSreg | Yup. |
| 19:18.40 | Vail | hmm i wish you could test a mod directly instead of having to use a map and close and reopen that map every time you make a change to the mod |
| 19:19.09 | JademusSreg | I'm watching the first episode of The Borgias, so I may be a bit distracted. |
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| 19:20.08 | JademusSreg | Dustin is spot on. Do you want to make the tint only visible to the selecting player. |
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| 19:20.27 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 19:21.05 | syltman | nope, it'll do |
| 19:21.21 | syltman | is there a way to make the tint colour go away if you click again? |
| 19:21.48 | JademusSreg | Send a different message, Tint 0,0,0 HDMI 0 |
| 19:21.52 | JademusSreg | Sorry |
| 19:21.53 | JademusSreg | HDMI 1 |
| 19:22.07 | JademusSreg | 255,255,255 |
| 19:22.08 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 19:22.09 | Dustin | You'll have to do the logic in your triggers |
| 19:22.24 | Dustin | And just use the Actor messages based on the effects you call on your units and such |
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| 19:23.02 | Stewox | syltman that's an example we talked earlier |
| 19:23.17 | Stewox | galaxy isn't powerful enough to completely replace XML |
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| 19:23.43 | TMA_Dryeyece | thats like the 3rd time today ive closed the #sc2mapster tab at the top of the screen lol |
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| 19:24.01 | Stewox | ah you're not the first one that happens |
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| 19:24.16 | syltman | how do I send a different message JademusSreg? |
| 19:24.19 | Stewox | but my firefox asks me to confirm |
| 19:24.24 | JademusSreg | Hi Sixen1. |
| 19:24.30 | blub_ | mh |
| 19:24.42 | Helral | tackles Sixen |
| 19:24.43 | JademusSreg | Sylt, same way you send the first message. |
| 19:24.46 | TMA_Dryeyece | my explorer only asks me to confirm if I am closing the whole window |
| 19:24.47 | blub_ | I don't suppose adding an actor event to a baseclass adds it to the children as well? ^^ |
| 19:24.55 | blub_ | because they're all nondefault values there |
| 19:25.18 | Dustin | syltman, Add another event |
| 19:25.32 | JademusSreg | Blub, it should, dunno if the editor supports it. |
| 19:25.42 | JademusSreg | Doing this via actor event is much simpler. |
| 19:25.46 | Helral | blub_: Think it will crash sc2 if you adjust the base actors ;p |
| 19:25.57 | JademusSreg | Since actors can track states internally. |
| 19:26.57 | Vail | what do you meanby base actors? |
| 19:27.07 | syltman | So I add another event that does the same thing except it sets it to 255,255,255? |
| 19:27.09 | JademusSreg | Selection event, can even make it player local. |
| 19:27.12 | Helral | CGenericUnitBase eg. |
| 19:27.36 | Vail | i think i edited those or ones close to that level in the higherarchy once.. |
| 19:27.48 | blub_ | I'll see in a sec |
| 19:28.09 | Helral | well it crashed at that time for me ;p |
| 19:28.14 | blub_ | is there an effect/behaviour method to make units colored? |
| 19:28.21 | blub_ | like with the SetTintColor actor message |
| 19:28.36 | TMA_Dryeyece | yes |
| 19:28.38 | Vail | if you change a parent though you have to propagate the changes to the children with a right click context menu option.. |
| 19:28.43 | TMA_Dryeyece | but you just said it |
| 19:28.58 | JademusSreg | Naw. |
| 19:29.09 | JademusSreg | It's done via actors, always actors. |
| 19:29.22 | JademusSreg | There are Simple actors, for instance. |
| 19:29.32 | blub_ | Vail: wouldn't that*override* the changes the children made? :P |
| 19:29.36 | TMA_Dryeyece | you need an actor who is created by X behavior being "on" and on actor creation set tint color to whatever, but above the message for the color tinting in the target box at the top type ::Host |
| 19:29.53 | syltman | JaemusSreg well how do I send it with "HDMI 1"? |
| 19:29.56 | JademusSreg | Used to apply tint via Behavior state actor events. |
| 19:30.06 | Vail | i am not sure i always did that first and then edited the children after |
| 19:30.29 | JademusSreg | I think the syntaxc is {255 255 255} 1 |
| 19:30.42 | Dustin | I had some weird shit going on with the halo actor thing, does that just comeup if something is between the camera and the unit? |
| 19:30.53 | blub_ | TMA_Dryeyece: o.O |
| 19:31.00 | TMA_Dryeyece | yeah if you just want to raise the HDMI of a unit via tint tint it white 255,255,255 and raise the HDMI |
| 19:31.03 | blub_ | JademusSreg: behaviour state actor events? |
| 19:31.10 | Dekar | can i trigger a directional shield hit animation somehow? |
| 19:31.11 | JademusSreg | Dustin, I've seen that too, yeah. |
| 19:31.11 | blub_ | I'd have to edit all the actors, no? |
| 19:31.11 | Kueken | weird shit = it vanishes, the more you zoom out? |
| 19:31.35 | blub_ | I want a behaviour to apply a tint color for its duration :> |
| 19:31.43 | JademusSreg | blub, Simple class actors, with actor events which respond to Behavior states. |
| 19:31.47 | Dustin | Easy Blub |
| 19:31.52 | blub_ | on any unit tho |
| 19:32.00 | JademusSreg | Like Behavior.Hallucination.On |
| 19:32.09 | Dustin | Behvaior.Name.Create > Tint |
| 19:32.18 | Dustin | Behavior.Name.Off > tint back |
| 19:32.23 | blub_ | Dustin: but I'd have to add that to all the actors... |
| 19:32.25 | JademusSreg | Exactly. |
| 19:32.29 | JademusSreg | Naw. |
| 19:32.36 | JademusSreg | Simple class actors, man. |
| 19:32.36 | Kueken | if you want it on any unit, I would send the message via trigger |
| 19:32.42 | JademusSreg | Look at em. |
| 19:32.47 | blub_ | JademusSreg: huh? |
| 19:32.50 | TMA_Dryeyece | make a new actor of type Model based on Model animationstyle one shot, do not add a model to the art field, set the Host to alias _Unit or _Selectable, in events add the event Behavior>Insertnamehere>on>create |
| 19:33.00 | blub_ | "class" actors? |
| 19:33.11 | Kueken | he wants to tint units, not add models to them |
| 19:33.26 | JademusSreg | There are many different classes for each kind of object. |
| 19:33.28 | TMA_Dryeyece | next message actor creation> set tint color>X>blend time>X, in the Target field at the top type ::Host |
| 19:33.36 | Kueken | this works? |
| 19:33.41 | Kueken | interesting |
| 19:33.43 | TMA_Dryeyece | if you dont add a model there wont be a model |
| 19:33.51 | TMA_Dryeyece | but the actor can still tint the host |
| 19:34.00 | Kueken | kk |
| 19:34.12 | Kueken | much to learn I still have |
| 19:34.39 | TMA_Dryeyece | but you must use actor creation to tint it and actor destruction to un-tint it |
| 19:34.54 | Dekar | durr hurr |
| 19:35.02 | Dekar | dekar |
| 19:35.03 | JademusSreg | Wakka wakka |
| 19:35.03 | blub_ | on or create? :P |
| 19:35.04 | TMA_Dryeyece | also for un-tinting make sure you still have ::Host in the target field at the top |
| 19:35.04 | blub_ | or both |
| 19:35.05 | blub_ | or any |
| 19:35.18 | TMA_Dryeyece | no it wont work if you use the message behavior on to tint |
| 19:35.20 | JademusSreg | Blub, On is the usual. |
| 19:35.24 | blub_ | wait |
| 19:35.28 | blub_ | actor creation to tint it? |
| 19:35.34 | TMA_Dryeyece | you must use behavior on to create the actor |
| 19:35.38 | TMA_Dryeyece | then use actor creation to tint |
| 19:35.44 | blub_ | ah |
| 19:35.46 | blub_ | wait |
| 19:35.52 | blub_ | >.< |
| 19:35.59 | Vail | i wish i hadnt left for those four months or so |
| 19:36.05 | blub_ | at what part doing that do I evade adding some event to all the actors which need to be tintable? <.< |
| 19:36.17 | blub_ | if that actor has to be created... |
| 19:36.22 | Kueken | at the ::host part ^^ |
| 19:36.24 | TMA_Dryeyece | this way X behavior becomes active on any unit this actor will be created, then when this actor is created it tints the host X color and when it is destroyed it clears that tint |
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| 19:36.40 | Vail | yeah.. |
| 19:36.54 | blub_ | Kueken: no because for something to have such a host, that something has to be created.... |
| 19:37.02 | Kueken | yes. |
| 19:37.06 | blub_ | and he siad that#s done in the actor events... |
| 19:37.13 | blub_ | so... |
| 19:37.13 | Kueken | yes |
| 19:37.15 | Dustin | Ok so you have your Unit Actor |
| 19:37.17 | TMA_Dryeyece | in the label portion of the message make sure you name the tinting message, this name is only local to this actor so it can be anything |
| 19:37.20 | Dustin | And your Tint Actor |
| 19:37.22 | blub_ | to tint unit A, actor of unit A has to create actor TINT... |
| 19:37.29 | Kueken | you create a new actor for the behavior |
| 19:37.30 | blub_ | for actor A to create actor TINT, it needs an event |
| 19:37.30 | Dustin | Your tint Actor gets called and created on Behavior |
| 19:37.30 | Vail | its creates an actor thats job is to be ON another actor and changes its tin |
| 19:37.33 | Vail | tint |
| 19:37.41 | Dustin | Then your tint actor tints the host actor |
| 19:37.43 | blub_ | no |
| 19:37.51 | blub_ | I do not have the tint actor... where why would I ahve the tint actor? |
| 19:37.56 | blub_ | when should that be created? |
| 19:38.03 | Kueken | behavior.xx.on |
| 19:38.07 | Dustin | When behavior gets on |
| 19:38.12 | TMA_Dryeyece | then when you use the clear tint color message in the label part of that one you type exactly what the name of the tinting messae was to make sure you only clear the tint color present on the host that this actor put there |
| 19:38.13 | blub_ | facepalms |
| 19:38.19 | blub_ | Kueken: at which unit should i add that then? |
| 19:38.25 | Kueken | no unit |
| 19:38.28 | Kueken | make a new actor |
| 19:38.29 | TMA_Dryeyece | it doesnt go on a unit |
| 19:38.34 | Kueken | like you would add an attachment |
| 19:38.46 | Kueken | but don't add a model |
| 19:39.04 | blub_ | I get that the "tint" actor tints that other unit |
| 19:39.04 | Kueken | and set the tint color in the actor events of this new actor |
| 19:39.10 | Kueken | but |
| 19:39.14 | blub_ | but that TINT actor is never created unless I actually create it |
| 19:39.21 | Kueken | you dont change the tint color of the attached actor |
| 19:39.23 | TMA_Dryeyece | yes it is |
| 19:39.28 | Dustin | It gets created On Behavior.On sir |
| 19:39.29 | Kueken | but you change the target to ::Host |
| 19:39.38 | TMA_Dryeyece | it is created by a unit having XX behavior become active on them |
| 19:39.43 | Kueken | which then tints the actor, which it is attached to |
| 19:39.52 | blub_ | Dustin: so, the tint actor magically instantiates itself when any unit recieves taht behavior? |
| 19:39.59 | Vail | i think blurb means in the data it has to be created first ? |
| 19:40.01 | TMA_Dryeyece | yes |
| 19:40.04 | Kueken | if you set it up to do so |
| 19:40.05 | Dustin | Yes |
| 19:40.12 | Vail | i could be wrong .. |
| 19:40.13 | Dustin | Behavior.On > Create |
| 19:40.20 | Dustin | Behavior.On > Tint |
| 19:40.24 | Kueken | just set host to _selectable |
| 19:40.25 | TMA_Dryeyece | no |
| 19:40.39 | Kueken | so it will choose the unit which gets the behavior |
| 19:40.39 | TMA_Dryeyece | Behavior "on" Create |
| 19:40.48 | TMA_Dryeyece | Actor Creation > Set Tint |
| 19:41.00 | blub_ | hmpf |
| 19:41.21 | TMA_Dryeyece | blub do you have ventrilo? |
| 19:42.16 | blub_ | now I get errors |
| 19:42.21 | blub_ | failure to initialize |
| 19:42.24 | TMA_Dryeyece | do you have vent? |
| 19:42.33 | blub_ | I always thought that actor events applied to an *instance* of an actor |
| 19:42.48 | blub_ | didnt know that a "behavior.x.on" could actually create an actor |
| 19:42.50 | TMA_Dryeyece | it does, it applies to every instance of the actor |
| 19:43.10 | blub_ | then where is the actor created? |
| 19:43.14 | blub_ | I mean |
| 19:43.17 | blub_ | sure, at "behavior.on" |
| 19:43.18 | blub_ | but... |
| 19:43.21 | TMA_Dryeyece | ohh yeah, you can create an actor with damn near anything, actors are data triggers |
| 19:43.26 | blub_ | when I say I thought it applies to an instance |
| 19:43.33 | Dustin | It creates a new Instance of it'sself on the Unt that gets the Behavior |
| 19:43.38 | blub_ | I thought hte actor needs to exist, and listened to an existing unit's behavior changes |
| 19:43.44 | blub_ | that's how I had been looking at this crap :S |
| 19:43.47 | TMA_Dryeyece | nope |
| 19:43.51 | TMA_Dryeyece | 8-) |
| 19:43.55 | blub_ | that makes me wonder |
| 19:43.58 | Vail | the game is kinda weird as far i can tell as long as the events are true the game will place an actor of that type where ever they are true |
| 19:44.04 | TMA_Dryeyece | yeah let that perculate |
| 19:44.05 | blub_ | how the signal actor events I used to use |
| 19:44.09 | blub_ | ever reached only the right unit <. |
| 19:44.10 | blub_ | <.< |
| 19:44.31 | TMA_Dryeyece | makes me wonder what on earth you have been doing LOL |
| 19:45.02 | blub_ | okay so |
| 19:45.06 | Vail | its somewhat like the carry resource actors only with out models? |
| 19:45.15 | blub_ | WARNING: Model Cache ModelLink[GemEffectSlow]; Failure to initialize. |
| 19:45.25 | blub_ | so... what's that supposed to mean |
| 19:45.48 | TMA_Dryeyece | I don't know, I have never gotten an error |
| 19:46.03 | blub_ | I apply the behavior in a trigger with addbehavior |
| 19:46.31 | TMA_Dryeyece | with data as far as I know it either works or it doesnt, idnt even know it could produce errors, though I have crashed the game with some of my experiments in the DE because I created infinite loops by accident lol |
| 19:46.38 | TMA_Dryeyece | ok |
| 19:46.44 | Dekar | can i trigger a directional shield hit animation somehow? |
| 19:46.47 | TMA_Dryeyece | that should work fine |
| 19:47.18 | TMA_Dryeyece | did you delete all the default messages in the actor you just made? |
| 19:47.24 | syltman | Alright so I added a click response |
| 19:47.35 | TMA_Dryeyece | model animation style one shot actors have default messages you should delete |
| 19:47.36 | syltman | but err |
| 19:47.39 | syltman | it doesn't work |
| 19:47.47 | syltman | although I've no idea if I did it right |
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| 19:48.06 | blub_ | maybe because I used no label |
| 19:48.07 | Nash|327 | sleep :G |
| 19:50.28 | blub_ | do I need the target ::Host in the Behavior..on too? |
| 19:50.49 | blub_ | guess not :S |
| 19:50.55 | blub_ | hrmmm |
| 19:51.15 | TMA_Dryeyece | blurb go to the PM I sent you |
| 19:51.40 | syltman | yah perhaps |
| 19:52.29 | syltman | where shall I add it? |
| 19:54.56 | syltman | nvm |
| 19:56.27 | syltman | hmm |
| 19:56.29 | syltman | still doesn't work |
| 19:57.37 | syltman | I based it off the behavious Click response |
| 19:57.41 | syltman | and added Count 1 |
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| 19:58.54 | Ashamed | good afternoon |
| 19:59.02 | JademusSreg | Hi. |
| 19:59.02 | Dustin | Sup bud |
| 19:59.26 | syltman | and tried also with count 2 |
| 19:59.58 | syltman | neither works, if I set priority of the tint reset higher than the tint it will stay white always |
| 20:01.23 | TMA_Dryeyece | Sylt what are you trying to do? Sorry I missed most of what came before |
| 20:01.39 | syltman | I'm trying to make it so when a unit is clicked it will tint |
| 20:01.54 | syltman | and then when you click it again the tint will go away |
| 20:02.33 | syltman | currently what I've done is added an event to the unit actor that fires when you click the unit and tints it to the desired colour |
| 20:02.40 | syltman | now I dunno how I will make it change back again |
| 20:03.18 | syltman | what I tried is adding a Click response behaviour but I'm not sure it fires correctly |
| 20:06.20 | TMA_Dryeyece | ok |
| 20:06.26 | TMA_Dryeyece | what you want to do is set up a status flag in the actor |
| 20:06.43 | syltman | how? |
| 20:06.54 | syltman | I'm still new to the data editor :p |
| 20:07.14 | TMA_Dryeyece | Actor Creation: Status Set "Pick a name" and set it to 1 |
| 20:07.52 | TMA_Dryeyece | event: Unit Clicked or however you do that, Status Set "Chosen Label" 2 |
| 20:07.55 | TMA_Dryeyece | then tint it |
| 20:08.10 | TMA_Dryeyece | errg |
| 20:08.21 | TMA_Dryeyece | add a term to the first tinting event |
| 20:08.52 | TMA_Dryeyece | thats says Is Status "Chosen Label" 2 actions Set tint color "Label" |
| 20:09.02 | TMA_Dryeyece | then another event |
| 20:09.23 | TMA_Dryeyece | unit is clicked (term) is staus 2 actions clear tint color |
| 20:09.46 | TMA_Dryeyece | another event unit is clicked is status 2 set status 1 |
| 20:10.12 | TMA_Dryeyece | so you can use that set status message within an actor to determine whether or not he was already tinted when he was clicked |
| 20:10.34 | blub_ | still don't get any tinting here :( |
| 20:10.40 | TMA_Dryeyece | ok I will need to make an example for you if you are new to the DE then cuz my explanation here prolly didnt help much |
| 20:11.00 | syltman | well the thing I didn't get is status flag |
| 20:11.02 | syltman | the rest I got |
| 20:11.15 | Bounty | JademusSreg |
| 20:11.16 | Bounty | Halp! |
| 20:11.30 | Bounty | How the fuck do you make it so units cant be selected behind doodads lol |
| 20:11.36 | Bounty | like as if they were behind a cliff |
| 20:11.50 | Stewox | TMA_Dryeyece Alpha_Vst Kueken Nash|327 syltman http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yl5ofzCdTMs |
| 20:12.17 | TMA_Dryeyece | in their models there is a field called Occulsion |
| 20:12.25 | TMA_Dryeyece | but it might not work with cliffs but it does with doodads |
| 20:12.37 | TMA_Dryeyece | you have to set the occlusion on the doodads too though, however most are set already |
| 20:12.56 | Bounty | so that would make it so u cant select a unit behind a doodad? |
| 20:13.05 | TMA_Dryeyece | you wont even be able to see them |
| 20:13.25 | Bounty | so? |
| 20:13.29 | TMA_Dryeyece | as it is most unit models are set to show up when on the other side of a doodad |
| 20:13.31 | Bounty | the mouse can still select stuff |
| 20:13.38 | Bounty | behind doodads |
| 20:13.46 | TMA_Dryeyece | give the doodads a LOS footprint |
| 20:13.50 | TMA_Dryeyece | like a LOS blocker |
| 20:13.51 | syltman | TMA_Dryeyece where's Actor Creation thingy? Or do I create a new actor? |
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| 20:14.10 | TMA_Dryeyece | Actor Creation is an Actor Event |
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| 20:15.34 | Bounty | doesnt work Dryeyece |
| 20:15.40 | Bounty | still selectable behind LoS |
| 20:16.03 | JademusSreg | Hi Bounty. |
| 20:16.19 | TMA_Dryeyece | if you cant see them then you shouldnt be able to select them |
| 20:16.31 | Bounty | ok well i got it to work but |
| 20:16.35 | Bounty | i prolly should have exaplined |
| 20:16.36 | syltman | TMA_Dryeyece alright and then Status set? |
| 20:16.37 | TMA_Dryeyece | the LOS should block sight, unless some small portion of the unit is sticking out |
| 20:16.38 | Bounty | this is a TPS map |
| 20:16.42 | Bounty | and the entire map is revealed |
| 20:16.48 | Bounty | so i cant use fog of war |
| 20:16.50 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 20:16.55 | JademusSreg | Preparing dinner. |
| 20:17.02 | TMA_Dryeyece | Syltman I am making you an example to look at because what you want to do is complicated to explain |
| 20:17.08 | syltman | alright thanks |
| 20:17.13 | TMA_Dryeyece | ahh then you are farked |
| 20:17.22 | TMA_Dryeyece | no you are not |
| 20:17.34 | Bounty | alright so im fucked then yes? |
| 20:17.34 | burne- | is TMA going to be on EU? |
| 20:17.36 | TMA_Dryeyece | ok heres a workaround maybe |
| 20:17.55 | Bounty | would be nice if i could make the units sight radius the entire map |
| 20:18.00 | TMA_Dryeyece | make a tiny invisible unit to put inside the doodad that pulses a behavior aura that makes units unselectable |
| 20:18.20 | Bounty | well what if your on the same side as the person ur selecting |
| 20:18.21 | Bounty | =P |
| 20:18.26 | Bounty | like on the same side of the doodad |
| 20:18.55 | Bounty | can u make a units sight radius MASSIVe |
| 20:18.57 | Bounty | like the entire map |
| 20:19.30 | TMA_Dryeyece | nope |
| 20:19.36 | TMA_Dryeyece | biggest they can get is 32 |
| 20:19.39 | Bounty | well thats absolutely retarded |
| 20:19.59 | TMA_Dryeyece | why do they need to be able to see the entire map though? |
| 20:20.06 | Bounty | bc its a TPS |
| 20:20.12 | TMA_Dryeyece | dont you need a clip plane to keep from overlagging the graphics engine? |
| 20:20.21 | Bounty | nope |
| 20:20.22 | Bounty | =P |
| 20:20.28 | TMA_Dryeyece | ohh well |
| 20:20.31 | Bounty | sight radius of 32 on a unit is insanely small |
| 20:20.47 | TMA_Dryeyece | you can strategically position invisible allies unit with shared vision |
| 20:21.03 | TMA_Dryeyece | lol only in a FPS I guess |
| 20:21.20 | TMA_Dryeyece | Yes TMA is going to be on EU |
| 20:21.32 | TMA_Dryeyece | Wait is EU the Sea server? |
| 20:21.45 | TMA_Dryeyece | I need to ask my partner im a dumbass american so I dont know shit about the other servers |
| 20:21.50 | Dustin | Bounty, if it's a TPS why do you have Fog on? |
| 20:21.57 | TMA_Dryeyece | I know its going to be on more than just US |
| 20:21.58 | Bounty | i dont have fog on |
| 20:22.07 | Dustin | What's the problem then? |
| 20:22.16 | Bounty | bc u can select units THROUGH doodads |
| 20:22.19 | Bounty | unlike cliffs |
| 20:22.24 | Bounty | cliffs make it so if something it behind it |
| 20:22.28 | Bounty | it cant be clicked |
| 20:22.38 | Bounty | and apparently for some reason u cant do that with doodads |
| 20:22.40 | TMA_Dryeyece | thats because you can click on the cliff |
| 20:22.53 | TMA_Dryeyece | you should be able to do it if like the doodad is selectable |
| 20:23.17 | Dustin | Make the Doodads terrain objects maybe |
| 20:23.29 | Dustin | But I dont see how that issue has anything to do with sight |
| 20:23.31 | TMA_Dryeyece | but doodads arent because they dont have an associated unit, or most dont |
| 20:24.04 | Bounty | the problem is that the entire shooting mechanic uses unit selection |
| 20:24.10 | Bounty | so its 100% accurate |
| 20:24.11 | Bounty | on bnet |
| 20:24.40 | Bounty | but i can only really make the terrain just a bunch of cliffs |
| 20:24.49 | Dustin | Ewww unit selection |
| 20:25.00 | Bounty | eww? |
| 20:25.00 | Bounty | its 100% accurate |
| 20:25.05 | Bounty | i say thats anything but eww |
| 20:25.06 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:25.11 | Dustin | 100% ugly :P |
| 20:25.15 | Bounty | no |
| 20:25.18 | Bounty | the circles are hidden |
| 20:25.22 | Bounty | =P |
| 20:25.35 | Dustin | Ok it might be ok if you give no indication the unit was selected |
| 20:25.52 | Dustin | Try making the Doodads terrian objects though |
| 20:26.00 | Dustin | that should block click throughs |
| 20:26.07 | Bounty | how do you do that lol |
| 20:26.29 | Dustin | Im not sure, I havent fucked with terrain objects much |
| 20:26.32 | Dustin | :P |
| 20:26.34 | Bounty | same |
| 20:26.39 | Bounty | never really saw a use for em |
| 20:26.44 | Dustin | But I know they function like terrain |
| 20:26.50 | Dustin | Instead of just models |
| 20:27.42 | Dustin | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/tutorials/893-data-terrain-bridges-a-terrain-objects-and-footprints/#p20 |
| 20:27.45 | Dustin | Might help |
| 20:27.47 | TMA_Dryeyece | http://i.imgur.com/l3381.jpg Here you go rotating tint color based off click |
| 20:29.49 | syltman | thanks |
| 20:30.07 | Bounty | meh fuck it |
| 20:30.09 | Bounty | i was just trying to make a quickie map |
| 20:30.13 | TMA_Dryeyece | Bounty: Can the Doodads you want to use only block vision from one direction, like can the players perspective of the doodad change? |
| 20:30.22 | Bounty | and it seems like itll just turn into a huge project that will end up makign it so i cant work on my main lol |
| 20:30.34 | Bounty | no clue |
| 20:30.36 | TMA_Dryeyece | or is the player always looking at the doodad from the same direction? |
| 20:30.46 | Bounty | oh |
| 20:30.49 | Bounty | yes it can change |
| 20:30.51 | Bounty | its a TPS lol |
| 20:30.58 | Bounty | or was going to be >< |
| 20:31.08 | TMA_Dryeyece | lol |
| 20:31.13 | Bounty | it was going to be a side project |
| 20:31.16 | Bounty | but worth it |
| 20:31.19 | Bounty | not worth it* |
| 20:31.25 | Bounty | not as a side project atleast |
| 20:31.26 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:31.30 | TMA_Dryeyece | You are trying to make a FPS as a side project...LOL |
| 20:31.35 | Bounty | um |
| 20:31.36 | Bounty | yeah |
| 20:31.39 | Bounty | ive done it atleast 13 times lol |
| 20:31.45 | TMA_Dryeyece | wow |
| 20:31.46 | Bounty | DO U KNO WHO I AM |
| 20:31.51 | Bounty | lololol |
| 20:31.52 | TMA_Dryeyece | not really |
| 20:32.04 | Bounty | They call me |
| 20:32.08 | Bounty | the WASD, TPS guy |
| 20:32.19 | blub_ | great |
| 20:32.19 | TMA_Dryeyece | TBH since I joined the SC2 Community I have spent ealmost 100% of my time in the data editor |
| 20:32.37 | blub_ | lol |
| 20:32.41 | Bounty | http://www.youtube.com/user/Bounty4321 |
| 20:32.43 | Bounty | ^all my stuff |
| 20:32.45 | blub_ | my stuff works now XD |
| 20:32.49 | Bounty | with the exception of my current project |
| 20:32.53 | blub_ | I still miss a "set mouse cursor for player" function |
| 20:32.53 | Dustin | Data Editor is only good to me for visuals |
| 20:32.54 | TMA_Dryeyece | YW Blub |
| 20:32.57 | blub_ | but that's okay |
| 20:32.57 | Bounty | which nobody except a a few have seen |
| 20:33.10 | Bounty | wrong imo Dustin |
| 20:33.15 | TMA_Dryeyece | you guys will shit when you play TMA then |
| 20:33.19 | Bounty | Data editor is only good for things that cause lag when done via triggers |
| 20:33.20 | blub_ | now I'm stuck again :P |
| 20:33.26 | Bounty | tahts the only time i use it lol |
| 20:33.28 | blub_ | decision between: creating content, creating data |
| 20:33.28 | Dustin | I said to ME :P |
| 20:33.36 | Bounty | WELL |
| 20:33.37 | Bounty | UR WRONG |
| 20:33.38 | Bounty | TO U |
| 20:33.40 | Bounty | =P |
| 20:33.49 | Dustin | I wish Triggers had all the functionality of the Data editor |
| 20:33.53 | Dustin | I'm a programmer damnit |
| 20:33.57 | Bounty | they do... |
| 20:33.59 | Dustin | I dont like clicking thorugh shit |
| 20:34.10 | TMA_Dryeyece | all of my heroes, portals, powerups, and a lot more that you will see in the game are 100% data, the only thing we use triggers for are the UI and stuff like keeping score, and changing the minimap etc... basically only stuff you cant do in the DE |
| 20:34.10 | Bounty | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7-RkwnpFHM&feature=channel_video_title |
| 20:34.12 | Bounty | ^triggers |
| 20:34.18 | syltman | TMA_Dryeyence hmm problem is now that when I click it now it turns green for a short second then goes back to normal |
| 20:34.23 | Bounty | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-kFj3SlHkI&feature=relmfu |
| 20:34.25 | Bounty | ^triggers |
| 20:34.38 | TMA_Dryeyece | lol |
| 20:35.05 | Bounty | annnd http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2KzABG26PE |
| 20:35.07 | Bounty | ^triggers |
| 20:35.13 | Bounty | i could go on for about an hour |
| 20:35.14 | Bounty | linking shit |
| 20:35.16 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:35.22 | syltman | and when I click it again I get error 00:00:21.81 WARNING: Cannot clear prop type TintColor. The prop is missing. |
| 20:35.32 | TMA_Dryeyece | Yeah sylt you are going to have to play around with it I havent ever done what you are doing exactly but I know to do it you need to set up a system of status's and stats checks in the actor to do wha you want |
| 20:35.44 | blub_ | TMA_Dryeyece: Tints applied this way don't happen to "merge" together? |
| 20:35.47 | blub_ | blend some way? |
| 20:36.11 | syltman | also I assume the order of the events doesn't matter |
| 20:36.37 | TMA_Dryeyece | yeah Bounty thats awesome, but I could do all of that in the DE too |
| 20:36.42 | blub_ | I can think of situation where it does tho :P |
| 20:36.43 | TMA_Dryeyece | nope |
| 20:36.45 | TMA_Dryeyece | not in an actor |
| 20:36.46 | Bounty | yeah in about 3 weeks |
| 20:36.48 | blub_ | but they're probably non-usecases |
| 20:36.48 | Bounty | using data |
| 20:37.00 | TMA_Dryeyece | well not the WASD movement |
| 20:37.03 | Bounty | Triggers are 100x more time efficient |
| 20:37.16 | Bounty | I only use them for Animations |
| 20:37.17 | Bounty | and Sounds |
| 20:37.18 | TMA_Dryeyece | I dunno man I cant barely do shit with the trigger editor lol |
| 20:37.22 | Bounty | bc that causes lag |
| 20:37.25 | TMA_Dryeyece | but I can do damn near anyhting with the DE |
| 20:37.25 | Bounty | if u do that via triggers |
| 20:37.29 | blub_ | Bounty: but lack the "Is Status Set" function :P |
| 20:37.47 | Bounty | i dont even know what that is |
| 20:37.49 | Bounty | but ive never used it |
| 20:37.54 | Bounty | and ive made like 16 maps |
| 20:37.55 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:37.55 | blub_ | which you can do with custom-values, sure, but it's always just "either or", you cannot use both together |
| 20:38.29 | blub_ | also, triggers can send actor messages, but actor messages can't easily trigger a trigger :P |
| 20:38.34 | blub_ | which I also don't like very much |
| 20:38.45 | Bounty | well thats what i was saying |
| 20:38.46 | Dustin | Data editor just takes to damn long |
| 20:38.47 | TMA_Dryeyece | yeah blub if you tint a unit with a behavior the way I showed you, and before that behavior expires another beahvior is added which tints color I thik they blend together, or the second one may overwrite the first |
| 20:38.49 | Bounty | for actor messages |
| 20:38.51 | Bounty | like sounds |
| 20:38.52 | Bounty | and animations |
| 20:38.53 | Bounty | i use data |
| 20:39.00 | Dustin | To make a unit from scratch is just crazy tedious |
| 20:39.01 | Bounty | bc they cause lag when you use them via triggers |
| 20:39.07 | blub_ | TMA_Dryeyece: I know that it's "either or", I want to know which XD |
| 20:39.09 | blub_ | actually I don't care |
| 20:39.13 | Bounty | I agree Dustin |
| 20:39.16 | blub_ | I need to manually blend them in my case anyway |
| 20:39.16 | Bounty | all my projectiles |
| 20:39.18 | Bounty | in all of my maps |
| 20:39.22 | Bounty | are just duplicated probes |
| 20:39.24 | Bounty | =P |
| 20:39.36 | blub_ | different usecase where it's not caused by behaviors for a duration |
| 20:39.38 | TMA_Dryeyece | I can make a fully levelable hero with 5 abilities in the DE from scratch in about 32 hours |
| 20:40.00 | Bounty | can be done in triggers in like 2-3 hours |
| 20:40.02 | TMA_Dryeyece | what takes time is designing the stuff you want to make, IMO |
| 20:40.06 | Bounty | assuming u have the abilities alrdy thought out |
| 20:40.07 | syltman | TMA_Dryeyece it appears that the event doesn't stop, so once you click and the Status changes to 2 it does the things for 2 aswell |
| 20:40.14 | Bounty | yeah |
| 20:40.24 | Bounty | Ideas are the most time consuming |
| 20:40.43 | blub_ | Bounty: which is why I remake gemcraft in sc2 :P |
| 20:40.50 | blub_ | stealing ideas :P |
| 20:40.51 | blub_ | is much faster |
| 20:40.52 | TMA_Dryeyece | Ok Sylt then the system I set up is flawed, but you see how it works |
| 20:40.55 | Bounty | dun even know wut dat is! |
| 20:40.56 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:40.59 | Bounty | sounds like a popcap game |
| 20:41.04 | syltman | yup |
| 20:41.07 | Dustin | [15:39pm] <TMA_Dryeyece> I can make a fully levelable hero with 5 abilities in the DE from scratch in about 32 hours <-- That's just fucking crazy tedious |
| 20:41.12 | blub_ | but I call it a "tribute" :P |
| 20:41.16 | syltman | now I'm stuck again I guess :p |
| 20:41.16 | blub_ | so it's not evil |
| 20:41.31 | blub_ | Bounty: armorgames |
| 20:42.14 | blub_ | probably the best *flash* TD game ever :P |
| 20:42.18 | blub_ | hate flash games |
| 20:42.21 | blub_ | but I like gemcraft |
| 20:42.22 | Bounty | its a TD? |
| 20:42.26 | blub_ | well |
| 20:42.27 | blub_ | kind of |
| 20:42.29 | blub_ | :) |
| 20:42.30 | blub_ | yea |
| 20:42.32 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:42.35 | Bounty | i c wut u did thar |
| 20:42.39 | TMA_Dryeyece | Man I spent like 12 hours once trying to just name an ability |
| 20:42.49 | AlphA_VsT | 0.o |
| 20:42.56 | blub_ | basically, you go from area to area - in the latest one it's a labyrinth |
| 20:43.00 | TMA_Dryeyece | I kept having the dumbest ideas, finally I was eating and one just popped in there |
| 20:43.02 | blub_ | and in each section you have to defeat the creep |
| 20:43.10 | blub_ | you can place towers, craft gems, and put gems into towers to have them shoot |
| 20:43.18 | blub_ | different colors have different special effects |
| 20:43.26 | Bounty | About 95% of my map ideas come to me when im on the toilet and smoking |
| 20:43.31 | blub_ | gems can be combined to create higherlevel gems, and to merge their colors |
| 20:43.32 | Bounty | Just how it is for me |
| 20:44.00 | JademusSreg | SocketDefense. |
| 20:44.01 | blub_ | should I guess what you're smoking? |
| 20:44.03 | JademusSreg | Wakka wakka |
| 20:44.08 | Bounty | cigs |
| 20:44.11 | Bounty | i dont smoke pot |
| 20:44.14 | Bounty | waste of time imo |
| 20:44.15 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:44.15 | blub_ | lame :P |
| 20:44.19 | blub_ | waste of time? |
| 20:44.24 | blub_ | that's a new one |
| 20:44.36 | Bounty | If i wanna be tired ill just not drink a monster |
| 20:44.41 | Bounty | If i wanna be hungry ill just wait abit |
| 20:44.45 | Bounty | >< |
| 20:44.54 | TMA_Dryeyece | Gimme a sec Sylt I think I figured out a way to do it |
| 20:44.57 | Bounty | Pot makes me dull |
| 20:45.04 | Bounty | just not fer me |
| 20:45.06 | syltman | thanks |
| 20:45.11 | TMA_Dryeyece | Pot makes me slow enough to comprehend |
| 20:45.27 | syltman | much appreciated |
| 20:45.40 | Bounty | The only drug i ever got into was Cough Medicine lol |
| 20:45.49 | TMA_Dryeyece | I have ADHD really bad and when I dont smoke I think so fast that I thin past what I am thinking, like I start thinking of the next thing before the first thing got done |
| 20:45.50 | Bounty | pretty sure that shit gave me brain damage |
| 20:46.03 | TMA_Dryeyece | lol |
| 20:46.39 | Dustin | TMA |
| 20:46.46 | Dustin | I love you |
| 20:46.52 | Dustin | I smoke pot to focus |
| 20:47.02 | Bounty | yeah well some people get that effect |
| 20:47.02 | Bounty | i dont |
| 20:47.09 | Bounty | it makes me sit there and stare at a wall for 4 hours |
| 20:47.09 | Dustin | It's crazy, like I'll smoke a couple bowls and just get fucking work done |
| 20:47.21 | Bounty | some people have that effect |
| 20:47.26 | Bounty | some dont |
| 20:47.27 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:47.34 | Dustin | Depends on my mood to |
| 20:47.48 | Dustin | I havent smoked in a couple months, have to pass a drug test soon :( |
| 20:47.56 | Dustin | Can't wait till I can though, miss that shit |
| 20:48.23 | Bounty | addict |
| 20:48.25 | Bounty | >< |
| 20:48.51 | Dustin | Not addicted, just love the stuff :) |
| 20:48.57 | Bounty | Marijuana is a 4 Gate drug! |
| 20:49.03 | Dustin | lol |
| 20:49.11 | Dustin | Nahhh |
| 20:49.18 | Dustin | I stick to natural stuff |
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| 20:49.28 | Dustin | If someone had to chemically compose it, I wont do it |
| 20:49.29 | TMA_Dryeyece | Sylt for what you want to do I would use Triggers, because that way you could just use a Boolean to determine which state the clicked unit is in |
| 20:49.46 | Bounty | Dustin |
| 20:49.55 | TMA_Dryeyece | I could do what you want to do in data but it would take a lot of experimentation to get it right |
| 20:50.03 | Dustin | Sup Bounty |
| 20:50.05 | Bounty | The whole "It comes frum da erf yo" arguement is such fail |
| 20:50.06 | TMA_Dryeyece | and in this case triggers would be tons easier |
| 20:50.07 | Bounty | try not to use it |
| 20:50.08 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:50.14 | Dustin | How so :P |
| 20:50.15 | FockeWulf | Howdy all, I'm having an issue with the siege tank attack. everything works great except where the launch asset model is comming from. It is comming from the front of the unit not the unit's turret which is a little ways away. I' |
| 20:50.18 | FockeWulf | I' |
| 20:50.21 | Bounty | Bc lots of shit comes from the earth |
| 20:50.22 | Dustin | It's a naturally occuring plant |
| 20:50.23 | Bounty | that can kill u |
| 20:50.23 | TMA_Dryeyece | bullshit cuz all drugs comes from da erf |
| 20:50.29 | Bounty | doesnt mean its good |
| 20:50.34 | Dustin | Yeah but Marijuana has never killed anyone :P |
| 20:50.35 | FockeWulf | I'm pretty sure I'm doing something wrong were but I can't for the life of me find out what |
| 20:50.36 | TMA_Dryeyece | but pot is the only one that isnt chemically altered by man before being consumed |
| 20:50.38 | Dustin | So does potatoes |
| 20:50.38 | Bounty | i know |
| 20:50.40 | Bounty | im just saying |
| 20:50.42 | Dustin | But it's good for you |
| 20:50.45 | Bounty | Your better off saying |
| 20:50.47 | Dustin | Im not saying Everyhting is |
| 20:50.50 | Bounty | I like it, fuck u |
| 20:50.53 | Bounty | rather then saying |
| 20:50.53 | Dustin | But it's better then Meth |
| 20:50.56 | TMA_Dryeyece | lol |
| 20:50.56 | Bounty | it comes from da erf! |
| 20:51.03 | syltman | TMA_Dryeyece alright |
| 20:51.27 | TMA_Dryeyece | just ahve event unit is clicked, then set a global boolean |
| 20:51.37 | FockeWulf | [13:50] <FockeWulf> Howdy all, I'm having an issue with the siege tank attack. everything works great except where the launch asset model is comming from. It is comming from the front of the unit not the unit's turret which is a little ways away. I'm pretty sure I'm doing something wrong were but I can't for the life of me find out what I am doing wrong. Can I get any help here? |
| 20:51.47 | TMA_Dryeyece | true or fale depending on what is is currently so you need a condition to check the state of the boolean |
| 20:52.10 | TMA_Dryeyece | Change the lanch location to Turret Z |
| 20:52.20 | TMA_Dryeyece | in your attack actor |
| 20:52.28 | FockeWulf | launch site? |
| 20:52.32 | TMA_Dryeyece | but thats only gonna work if you have the siege tanks weapon on a turret |
| 20:52.51 | FockeWulf | oh the siege tank weapon is on a turret and the turret is attached to a barracks |
| 20:52.59 | TMA_Dryeyece | wait siege tanks turret is built int |
| 20:53.02 | FockeWulf | the siege tank is the turret and its a modeladdition |
| 20:53.13 | FockeWulf | ya im treating it as a turret not as a unnit |
| 20:53.21 | FockeWulf | I mean it rotates to fire |
| 20:53.24 | FockeWulf | correctly |
| 20:53.33 | FockeWulf | its just the launch asset is comming from the wrong place |
| 20:53.43 | FockeWulf | ie the flash of fire n smoke |
| 20:54.39 | TMA_Dryeyece | I just looked on the Siege Tank Attack, actor and the launch site on that one is AMPatternRollingStripe |
| 20:54.55 | TMA_Dryeyece | does your say weapon? |
| 20:54.56 | FockeWulf | for the sieged mode? |
| 20:55.00 | FockeWulf | or the non-sieged? |
| 20:55.05 | FockeWulf | cause mine is the sieged mode one |
| 20:55.14 | TMA_Dryeyece | nahh sieged attakc is weapon |
| 20:55.30 | TMA_Dryeyece | but a sieged tank and an unsieged tank are two different units |
| 20:55.36 | FockeWulf | ya this is the sieged tank |
| 20:55.40 | FockeWulf | and its attack |
| 20:55.49 | TMA_Dryeyece | k lemme look |
| 20:56.20 | FockeWulf | now I have 4 different attack actors because this has 4 different turrets |
| 20:56.21 | TMA_Dryeyece | Make sure yours is using the same as theirs |
| 20:56.24 | TMA_Dryeyece | AmFilterWeapon)) |
| 20:56.26 | TMA_Dryeyece | 00 |
| 20:56.33 | FockeWulf | for the launch site? |
| 20:56.55 | TMA_Dryeyece | FieldSiege Tank Sieged Attack |
| 20:57.02 | TMA_Dryeyece | shit that copy paste didnt work at all |
| 20:57.06 | TMA_Dryeyece | lol |
| 20:57.24 | TMA_Dryeyece | the Attachment - Launch Attachment Query Field |
| 20:57.50 | FockeWulf | oh ya that is |
| 20:57.55 | FockeWulf | the trouble is its going to the fallback |
| 20:58.03 | FockeWulf | which is the center |
| 20:58.06 | TMA_Dryeyece | determines the launching site, launch site ops field uses Site operation actors to adjust that |
| 20:58.08 | FockeWulf | ie where its actually commin gfrom |
| 20:58.20 | TMA_Dryeyece | ok |
| 20:58.27 | TMA_Dryeyece | is it launching a missile? |
| 20:58.37 | FockeWulf | this attack doesn't ahve a missile |
| 20:58.47 | FockeWulf | nor a beam |
| 20:58.49 | TMA_Dryeyece | kk just making sure |
| 20:58.58 | FockeWulf | kk |
| 20:59.04 | AlphA_VsT | FUCK YES |
| 20:59.07 | AlphA_VsT | I DID IT |
| 20:59.13 | AlphA_VsT | COPY PASTE FTW!!!!!! |
| 20:59.24 | AlphA_VsT | ramp from 3rd to 1st level |
| 20:59.27 | AlphA_VsT | WIN!!!! |
| 20:59.38 | syltman | guys is this possible http://paste.sc2mapster.com/3442/ ? |
| 20:59.44 | TMA_Dryeyece | try it out in game and see if your units can actually walk up the ramp |
| 20:59.46 | syltman | because I get syntax error when trying it |
| 20:59.55 | AlphA_VsT | wtf is that |
| 21:00.01 | AlphA_VsT | galaxy get the fuck out |
| 21:00.04 | AlphA_VsT | :D |
| 21:00.10 | TMA_Dryeyece | wtf is that |
| 21:00.46 | FockeWulf | Try Helral's random dungen map and take a good look at that |
| 21:00.47 | TMA_Dryeyece | did you make this sieged tank from scratch? |
| 21:00.59 | FockeWulf | no duplicated and replaced the effects |
| 21:01.16 | syltman | AlphA_VsT :( |
| 21:01.19 | FockeWulf | I've been tinkering with it every since but the default doesnt work and i just reduplicated from a fresh one anyways |
| 21:01.19 | AlphA_VsT | of course it does |
| 21:02.31 | FockeWulf | So the issue is that the launch asset isn't being moved to the turret then? |
| 21:02.52 | FockeWulf | Oh and it only fires out the front of the barracks, even though the turrets are firing to the side. |
| 21:05.58 | TMA_Dryeyece | wait the barracks? |
| 21:06.07 | FockeWulf | ya the barracks is the unit |
| 21:06.09 | TMA_Dryeyece | is your siege tank attached to a barracks? |
| 21:06.09 | FockeWulf | and looking at the 2 |
| 21:06.27 | FockeWulf | the siege tank is the one with the weapon00 attachment |
| 21:06.33 | FockeWulf | and the barracks doesn't have that |
| 21:06.37 | FockeWulf | checking into the previewer in the model |
| 21:06.38 | FockeWulf | hmm |
| 21:06.41 | FockeWulf | let me try something |
| 21:06.46 | TMA_Dryeyece | is the siege tank attached as a turret or attached a model addition? |
| 21:06.52 | FockeWulf | both |
| 21:06.58 | FockeWulf | but modeladdition |
| 21:07.01 | FockeWulf | is how the model is created |
| 21:07.06 | FockeWulf | but there is also a turret actor |
| 21:07.07 | TMA_Dryeyece | it only needs to be attached as a turret |
| 21:07.25 | TMA_Dryeyece | you should take a look at ProzaicMuzes turret tutorial |
| 21:07.36 | TMA_Dryeyece | I still have to look at it to add a turret to a unit |
| 21:07.36 | FockeWulf | ya i did and in fact that was a basis of this |
| 21:07.38 | FockeWulf | he did what I did |
| 21:07.42 | TMA_Dryeyece | uz I barely ever do it |
| 21:07.52 | FockeWulf | ya I'm doing it all the time >.< |
| 21:08.00 | TMA_Dryeyece | lol |
| 21:08.22 | TMA_Dryeyece | then the launch attachment is different, you have to attach it to TurretZ or seomthing like that |
| 21:08.29 | TMA_Dryeyece | then sop it to weapon00 I think |
| 21:08.51 | FockeWulf | and all 5 classes of ships, DD CL CA BC and BB all have this same issue |
| 21:08.53 | FockeWulf | ah ok |
| 21:09.07 | FockeWulf | hmm good idea let me try that |
| 21:09.37 | FockeWulf | oh wait i think i get it |
| 21:09.39 | FockeWulf | one second |
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| 21:11.36 | TMA_Dryeyece | this is weird the 4 letters to the left of b on my keyboard hae stopped working |
| 21:11.55 | TMA_Dryeyece | zxcvb |
| 21:12.01 | TMA_Dryeyece | shit now they do wtf |
| 21:12.11 | TMA_Dryeyece | but enter doesnt work now unless I mash it a hundred times lol |
| 21:12.12 | FockeWulf | lol |
| 21:12.40 | FockeWulf | btw what is turret z exactly? To me it says turret elevation which i know isnt right cause the turret doesn't elavate |
| 21:12.44 | syltman | TMA_Dryeyece it appears that I can only catch if a certain unit is clicked in trigger editor and not a unit of unit type |
| 21:13.28 | syltman | so it's not an option it would seem |
| 21:13.45 | TMA_Dryeyece | you should |
| 21:14.30 | TMA_Dryeyece | in fact you can |
| 21:14.43 | TMA_Dryeyece | leave the event as any unit is clicked |
| 21:14.52 | syltman | yah |
| 21:14.57 | syltman | and then some condition |
| 21:15.02 | TMA_Dryeyece | then make this condition (Unit type of (Triggering unit)) == Zergling |
| 21:15.21 | TMA_Dryeyece | where zergling is a data reference to any unit type in the dependencies you are using |
| 21:15.52 | FockeWulf | dangit |
| 21:15.56 | syltman | oh so there is a unit type |
| 21:15.58 | syltman | just didn't find it |
| 21:15.59 | syltman | thanks! |
| 21:16.01 | FockeWulf | I had to create a turret Z attachment |
| 21:16.03 | FockeWulf | type |
| 21:16.08 | FockeWulf | and it still doesn't work |
| 21:16.34 | Bounty | I love how this whole "Help Release Port 2 Early!" thing is only going to result in the game being released like 1-2 hours in advance lol |
| 21:16.42 | FockeWulf | course the value is set to -1 as well so that may make a difference |
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| 21:32.32 | AlphA_VsT | http://i.imgur.com/1Ezu3.jpg YAY!!!! |
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| 21:34.09 | AlphA_VsT | should i release a map with the large ramps? |
| 21:34.17 | AlphA_VsT | so others can copy paste? |
| 21:34.56 | Stewox | Alpha_Vst http://www.shrani.si/f/3z/sd/3eFq6RPv/sc2codezergmania1.jpg |
| 21:35.08 | AlphA_VsT | yes / no ? |
| 21:35.24 | AlphA_VsT | good job Stewox? |
| 21:35.30 | Stewox | ;) |
| 21:35.40 | Stewox | with thelp from TMA |
| 21:35.47 | AlphA_VsT | tma? |
| 21:35.49 | Kueken | finally :D |
| 21:35.54 | Stewox | Dryeyece |
| 21:36.01 | AlphA_VsT | i know right such a simple thing |
| 21:36.03 | AlphA_VsT | 0.o |
| 21:36.22 | Stewox | video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yl5ofzCdTMs |
| 21:37.29 | Dustin | Lol stewox what |
| 21:37.54 | Stewox | :D |
| 21:37.56 | Dustin | How was that tricky, that's like Editor fundamentals 101 :P |
| 21:38.41 | Kueken | could do that data-only easily btw :D |
| 21:39.13 | Dustin | Doing it in data would take longer then 2 seconds :P |
| 21:40.07 | Kueken | about 5 probably :D |
| 21:40.18 | Stewox | :p |
| 21:40.25 | Stewox | have to start somewhere |
| 21:40.32 | Kueken | indeed |
| 21:41.03 | AlphA_VsT | dustin that took him about 2 hours to understand at least |
| 21:41.29 | FockeWulf | [13:50] <FockeWulf> Howdy all, I'm having an issue with the siege tank attack. everything works great except where the launch asset model is comming from. It is comming from the front of the unit not the unit's turret which is a little ways away. I'm pretty sure I'm doing something wrong were but I can't for the life of me find out what I am doing wrong. Can I get any help here? |
| 21:41.51 | Dustin | Lol really? :P |
| 21:42.02 | Dustin | I guess the general syntax of the editor is confusing at first |
| 21:42.19 | Stewox | it's the 2 year pause , i didn't mod for so long but sc2 brought me back , getting a learning curve is what im actually doing currently |
| 21:42.24 | JademusSreg | I've nearly overtaken TronCraft Rebirth, just a page behind it. |
| 21:42.33 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 21:43.30 | Stewox | okay but just confirm to me this |
| 21:43.54 | Dustin | Gj JademusSreg :D |
| 21:45.20 | AlphA_VsT | beat that tron game to death |
| 21:45.22 | AlphA_VsT | YAY!!!! |
| 21:45.25 | Stewox | would have been better for the game/CPU to have detailed events which would increase performance , instead of using many "any unit dies" events and then sorting with the conditions , which would performed better , depends on program, CPU , multithreading .. etx ? |
| 21:45.28 | AlphA_VsT | COPYRIGHTS!!!!!! |
| 21:45.45 | JademusSreg | Yeah! |
| 21:45.56 | Kueken | stewox: You can make events for specific units at runtime easily, when using galaxy script |
| 21:46.09 | Kueken | gui however is limited |
| 21:46.10 | JademusSreg | Yup. |
| 21:46.11 | Stewox | so , performance wise: Detailed events vs Simple Events + Conditions |
| 21:46.12 | AlphA_VsT | Stewox, you only need to have a single trigger with unit dies |
| 21:46.13 | Kueken | and cannot do so |
| 21:46.33 | Kueken | performance wise data>trigger |
| 21:46.37 | AlphA_VsT | everything else is conditional |
| 21:46.48 | Kueken | so if you are really concerned about the performance of a single trigger |
| 21:46.49 | Stewox | GUI = Triggers |
| 21:46.51 | Kueken | use data |
| 21:47.04 | Kueken | gui = triggers |
| 21:47.08 | Kueken | galaxy code = triggers |
| 21:47.10 | JademusSreg | I try to minimize the number of triggers created and events registered. |
| 21:47.15 | Kueken | data = the other stuff ^^ |
| 21:47.22 | Stewox | yes in a context kueken |
| 21:47.37 | AlphA_VsT | i only use one of each event |
| 21:47.51 | AlphA_VsT | and have custom actions that fit within it |
| 21:47.54 | Stewox | Galaxy code = triggers because it's not such a big/powerful lang , it cannot be used for anything else |
| 21:48.15 | Kueken | I usually use specific events registered for the single objects |
| 21:48.18 | Stewox | Trigger term usually meant for the GUI Scripts for mapping in older times |
| 21:48.37 | Stewox | GUI being limited is a no-brainer |
| 21:48.42 | JademusSreg | "GUI SCripts"? |
| 21:48.53 | JademusSreg | Sense has just not been made. =D |
| 21:48.54 | Stewox | GUI scripts = Triggers |
| 21:49.09 | Stewox | Triggers has 2 terms |
| 21:49.21 | Stewox | it's a name for the part of the editor |
| 21:49.33 | Stewox | such as "Data" is for XML and coding |
| 21:49.33 | Kueken | guess what :D |
| 21:49.46 | Stewox | 2 meanings * |
| 21:50.04 | Stewox | the upper case T |
| 21:50.07 | JademusSreg | Triggers are objects. GUI and scripting are two different though often related approaches to handling those objects. |
| 21:50.09 | Stewox | Triggers , triggers |
| 21:50.36 | Stewox | well im talking wider , across the gaming industry , we'll figure out who's not following the standard :P |
| 21:50.45 | Stewox | would that be blizzard ;) |
| 21:51.02 | Stewox | It's loosely |
| 21:51.13 | JademusSreg | When in a region, you learn the language of the region. |
| 21:51.28 | Stewox | Scripting language is not just about the triggers |
| 21:51.35 | Stewox | but the Galaxy specifically is |
| 21:51.53 | Stewox | intentionally constructed that way |
| 21:52.32 | JademusSreg | I doubt that is a point of contention for anyone here. =) |
| 21:52.34 | Stewox | If it was procedural , C++ derivative , you could go in write a few lines , run the game, and all units would be flying .. |
| 21:53.37 | Stewox | point of contention |
| 21:53.49 | Stewox | let me translate what that means |
| 21:54.33 | Stewox | to what specifically are you referring |
| 21:54.41 | AlphA_VsT | wtf |
| 21:54.42 | JademusSreg | That is to say no one argues with your statement that galaxy was designed for handling triggers. |
| 21:55.23 | JademusSreg | I'm curious what is the point of contention here. |
| 21:55.23 | syltman | JademusSreg I tried adding a isStatus to the tint thing however it seems that when I click it tints the colour then the isStatus changes to 2 and it also runs the reset tint action and it basicly loops. |
| 21:55.27 | Stewox | oh so you agree , well that's why im saing im hoping i was correct |
| 21:55.28 | AlphA_VsT | are you trying to sya there is a specific standard in which gui based scripting is based upon? |
| 21:55.31 | AlphA_VsT | really? |
| 21:55.54 | Dustin | The standard is "Whatever blizzard feels like" |
| 21:56.00 | FockeWulf | Hey in the attack actor whats is a container? |
| 21:56.03 | JademusSreg | I concur with Dustin. |
| 21:56.03 | AlphA_VsT | no shit |
| 21:56.08 | Stewox | im just explaining the different meanings of the word triggers |
| 21:56.26 | AlphA_VsT | there is no gamming industry standard so you cant even comapre shit to anything |
| 21:56.32 | Stewox | dusting congratz ... |
| 21:56.38 | Stewox | pretty muhc it |
| 21:56.44 | Dustin | Triggers are made up by blizzard |
| 21:56.51 | Dustin | As is Galaxy |
| 21:56.53 | JademusSreg | Sylt, care to pastebin your actor events? |
| 21:57.04 | FockeWulf | Hey in the action (attack) actor what is a container? |
| 21:57.10 | syltman | alright sec |
| 21:57.11 | FockeWulf | Like what does it do? |
| 21:57.14 | Dustin | Anywho, Time to go eat some tasty mexican food |
| 21:57.21 | Dustin | Lata playas. |
| 21:57.30 | JademusSreg | Later. |
| 21:57.38 | AlphA_VsT | FUCK THAT |
| 21:57.42 | AlphA_VsT | fuck that |
| 21:57.44 | AlphA_VsT | hard |
| 21:57.59 | AlphA_VsT | holy shit |
| 21:59.09 | AlphA_VsT | that was a good earthquake |
| 21:59.20 | Mephs | the gaming industry standard is giving everyone a swift kick in the balls |
| 21:59.42 | Kueken | if it so desires |
| 22:01.32 | AlphA_VsT | ok so it wasnt big it jsut just like 5 miles away |
| 22:01.35 | AlphA_VsT | 0.o |
| 22:01.42 | Stewox | In older times , Triggers were used as triggers , those were ONLY GUI based scripts for MAPPING purposes, Galaxy can do much more than than those older titles, namely "custom scripts" , which wasn't possible with the older Triggers, regardless , Galaxy has still been designed for GUI Triggers and not as a replacable for XML , we're just having the ability to customize these and just make more of the GUIed scripts, ... and this is |
| 22:01.51 | Stewox | so ... am i correct ? |
| 22:02.11 | Kueken | gui = galaxy script |
| 22:02.14 | Kueken | period |
| 22:02.24 | Kueken | any gui action is translated into galaxy script |
| 22:02.46 | blub_ | "replacable for xml"? |
| 22:02.53 | blub_ | what does xml have to do with that :P |
| 22:03.04 | blub_ | and the gui just creates code anyway |
| 22:03.19 | blub_ | so "adding custom scripts" is not really... adding anything... |
| 22:03.31 | blub_ | (well sure it is, but not in that context) |
| 22:03.32 | Stewox | in other words , we just have an ability to make our own combinations of scripts , which was something that only programmers did in the old times , that's about it , yes i agree kueken , im just explaining |
| 22:03.44 | blub_ | Stewox: "old times" |
| 22:03.47 | blub_ | like, QC? :P |
| 22:03.54 | blub_ | QC > galaxy scripts :P |
| 22:04.01 | Stewox | no ... talking abou older RTS engines |
| 22:04.03 | JademusSreg | The relationship between GUI and galaxy could be expressed as galaxy being a superset of GUI. |
| 22:04.04 | Stewox | blub |
| 22:04.45 | syltman | JademusSreg http://paste.sc2mapster.com/3444/ |
| 22:04.46 | blub_ | JademusSreg: their expressions maybe, but you don't relate them directly that way :P |
| 22:05.03 | JademusSreg | Anything that can be done in GUI can be done in galaxy, but not everything than can be done in galaxy can be done in GUI. |
| 22:05.31 | blub_ | exactly, their expressions :) |
| 22:05.34 | blub_ | or expressive power if you will |
| 22:05.47 | Stewox | Triggers is just a name for GUI Scrips , triggers term means something is event-driven and galaxy is , that's why galaxy is really only used for triggers and nothing else, but here's the catch , with a procedural lang , like C++ or QuakeC or COD Script you can do whatever you want |
| 22:06.06 | JademusSreg | Heh. |
| 22:06.28 | Kueken | of course you can |
| 22:06.29 | Stewox | that's how im seeing it , i analyzed |
| 22:06.50 | Kueken | the sc2 editor is designed to be complex, but way easier than other game modding tools |
| 22:07.01 | Stewox | that's out of mind .... im didn't read anywhere now , it's my experience and im asking you guys if you agree ? |
| 22:07.06 | blub_ | there's really not that much to add to galaxy to become as powerful as QC |
| 22:07.07 | AlphA_VsT | fuck yeah Kueken |
| 22:07.14 | blub_ | the limiting part is the API |
| 22:07.28 | Stewox | so am i correct or is there something to fix in my statement ? |
| 22:07.40 | JademusSreg | Sylt, since it looks correct, I must assume it is a problem with the way it is being handled. |
| 22:07.58 | blub_ | Stewox: are you asking this because you want to use this statement in some scientific context? :P |
| 22:08.00 | JademusSreg | Not on your end, but internally. Sure looks like it could run itself in a loop. |
| 22:08.06 | blub_ | then I say no simply because it lacks formality :P |
| 22:08.12 | blub_ | otherwise, sure, why not |
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| 22:08.42 | Stewox | blub , im saying this on free mind , that's how i see it and with my past experties , that's an explanation , and i only intend to use it for myself |
| 22:08.53 | Stewox | im asking for confirmation |
| 22:08.54 | syltman | aye, it's getting late now though so I'll have to try and fix it tommorow, think you could help me out then? |
| 22:08.56 | blub_ | ok :P |
| 22:09.09 | Stewox | because im actually not experienced in galaxy |
| 22:09.13 | Stewox | im just learning |
| 22:09.16 | JademusSreg | Yeah. |
| 22:09.19 | blub_ | should I be nitpicky? |
| 22:09.24 | JademusSreg | Might even open up the editor to help. |
| 22:09.25 | syltman | thanks! |
| 22:09.28 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 22:10.26 | Stewox | API |
| 22:10.30 | Stewox | what's about that |
| 22:10.34 | Stewox | in galaxy |
| 22:10.41 | Kueken | API = all you can do |
| 22:10.49 | blub_ | depends |
| 22:10.54 | blub_ | it's the interface to the "outside world" |
| 22:10.54 | Stewox | damn i forogt the term |
| 22:10.54 | Kueken | its basically all you need to know about galaxy |
| 22:11.04 | blub_ | formally speaking galaxy can do "everything" any other language can |
| 22:12.50 | blub_ | eg you could put a python script into a string, and write a python interpreter... except it would be huge code, and the trigger would get aborted because it takes too long to execute :P |
| 22:13.11 | blub_ | and it would have no interface to the outside, unless you provide some connection to the SC2 API |
| 22:13.21 | blub_ | like, connect print() to UIDisplayMessage some way or another :P |
| 22:17.16 | *** join/#sc2mapster Mexa (504ed88b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.78.216.139) |
| 22:17.41 | Stewox | so informative blub |
| 22:17.43 | Stewox | exactly |
| 22:17.52 | Stewox | but we don't have access to the API right ? |
| 22:18.12 | Kueken | of galaxy? |
| 22:18.14 | Kueken | sure |
| 22:18.21 | blub_ | libNtve_Blahblah(); |
| 22:18.26 | JademusSreg | Hahaha. |
| 22:18.27 | blub_ | those are API calls |
| 22:18.34 | JademusSreg | Those functions suck, though. |
| 22:18.35 | Kueken | you can look at the galaxy native files |
| 22:18.37 | Stewox | ahh now he tells me * |
| 22:18.39 | JademusSreg | Use the sexy natives. |
| 22:18.43 | Kueken | or at the documentary at mapster |
| 22:19.01 | Kueken | or use notepad++ autocompletion set up for galaxy |
| 22:19.06 | Kueken | containing the whole api |
| 22:19.10 | JademusSreg | I explained earlier Stew that the natives can be found in natives.galaxy and AI.galaxy. |
| 22:19.13 | Stewox | i don't have notepaf++ |
| 22:19.38 | Stewox | i have programmers notepad , is there a plugin so it can work for more than just n++ |
| 22:19.38 | Kueken | I suggest you get it ;) or any other IDE |
| 22:19.39 | JademusSreg | I must be a ghost. Like Bill Cosby and Patrick Swayze. |
| 22:19.48 | Kueken | if you plan on seriously coding in galaxy |
| 22:20.09 | Kueken | well, notepad++ autocompletion files are xml |
| 22:20.20 | Kueken | dunno if other IDEs can interpret them as well |
| 22:20.35 | JademusSreg | I use grim's autocomplete and syntax highlighter for notepad++, which was an improvement over the one I made for myself. |
| 22:20.43 | Stewox | thanks jademus i saw your messages |
| 22:20.49 | Kueken | I use Beiers script editor |
| 22:20.58 | Kueken | *sBeiers |
| 22:21.03 | Kueken | from the mapster page |
| 22:21.12 | Kueken | which lacks some features of n++ |
| 22:21.31 | Kueken | but also has autocompletion and actually parses the code |
| 22:21.35 | blub_ | I have VIM! |
| 22:21.44 | blub_ | as a reply to the notepad++ messages |
| 22:21.52 | Kueken | with much more informative error messages than the editor |
| 22:22.07 | Kueken | btw |
| 22:22.28 | Kueken | does the editor support any other compiler error than syntax error? |
| 22:22.35 | blub_ | yes |
| 22:22.45 | Kueken | did not see any other message yet |
| 22:22.56 | blub_ | I just can't remember it |
| 22:23.00 | Stewox | SC2 Engine is a parser / complier / debugger / ... while i doubt for complier , we call it like that ; i don't actually guess it's all being compiled into binary ? |
| 22:23.02 | Mexa | visual studio + visual assist |
| 22:23.09 | Mexa | Thats what I use for galaxy :3 |
| 22:23.15 | Deaod | const int foo=0x80000000; |
| 22:23.27 | Kueken | stewox: if it is as it was in WC3 the script is compiled while loading the map |
| 22:23.27 | Mexa | Also, hello |
| 22:23.28 | blub_ | Stewox: why not? |
| 22:23.32 | blub_ | some virtual binary language |
| 22:23.38 | blub_ | otherwise it' be really really really really really |
| 22:23.39 | blub_ | stupid |
| 22:23.43 | JademusSreg | A wild Deaodusaur appears! |
| 22:23.46 | Deaod | int foo=6++5; |
| 22:23.53 | Mexa | galaxy is compiled to bytecode |
| 22:23.54 | JademusSreg | plays an 8-bit battle theme. |
| 22:24.00 | Mexa | which then is interpreted by sc2. |
| 22:24.17 | Kueken | mexa: is it compiled at saving the map or at loading the map? |
| 22:24.22 | blub_ | Deaod: foo += foo---foo; |
| 22:24.23 | Deaod | uses tackle. |
| 22:24.24 | Kueken | for wc3 it was at loading |
| 22:24.33 | Mexa | When loading a map |
| 22:24.40 | Stewox | I remember from Tiberium Wars , for modding , you would have to use a buggy COMMAND PROMPT program to COMPILE the mod into binary before you could run it , ... i quit C&C after that game |
| 22:24.42 | blub_ | Kueken: saving would be quite nasty |
| 22:24.46 | blub_ | Kueken: if they decide to change constant values |
| 22:24.52 | blub_ | Kueken: all maps would have to be re-saved |
| 22:24.56 | blub_ | Kueken: then re-uploaded |
| 22:24.59 | Mexa | Which is pretty stupid, really. Compiling to bytecode and store in the map would be an excellent way to obfuscate code. |
| 22:25.00 | Kueken | k |
| 22:25.17 | JademusSreg | uses Self-Destruct. It's super-effective. |
| 22:25.19 | Mexa | And also much faster. |
| 22:25.25 | blub_ | Mexa: why would they want to obfuscate it? |
| 22:25.29 | Deaod | faints. |
| 22:25.29 | Stewox | maps aren't compiled i guess |
| 22:25.35 | JademusDead | brb |
| 22:25.41 | Mexa | So that people who locked their maps don't want their content revealed |
| 22:25.45 | blub_ | pours a bucket of water over Deaod |
| 22:25.55 | Mexa | *Because |
| 22:25.55 | blub_ | Mexa: ... |
| 22:26.01 | Deaod | Its Super Effective! |
| 22:26.02 | blub_ | Mexa: if someone goes through the trouble of unlocking them |
| 22:26.02 | Kueken | its so easy to hack a locked map, its not even funny... |
| 22:26.06 | Deaod | dies. |
| 22:26.09 | blub_ | Mexa: they can disassemble the bytecode as well |
| 22:26.10 | Mexa | It's not that hard |
| 22:26.20 | Stewox | file lock system i meant kueken |
| 22:26.21 | blub_ | Mexa: and condiering you don't have any complex structures in the language, no templates etc. |
| 22:26.22 | Kueken | I cannot disassemble bytecode |
| 22:26.24 | Stewox | like Crysis |
| 22:26.27 | Mexa | blub_ ofcourse then can, but that would take more time |
| 22:26.34 | Kueken | but I can hack a map in like 5 seconds |
| 22:26.36 | Mexa | Much much longer time |
| 22:26.38 | Stewox | .cry for editor .map for relese |
| 22:26.41 | blub_ | Mexa: that's security by obscurity, and that's frowned upon |
| 22:26.45 | blub_ | Mexa: locking too btw :P |
| 22:27.02 | blub_ | Mexa: and really, what would you wanna hide? |
| 22:27.10 | Mexa | I guess so, compiling to bytecode directly could make it compromised and vulnerable |
| 22:27.12 | Kueken | the method is even in a thread o mapster |
| 22:27.14 | blub_ | Mexa: silly code every 12 year old script kiddy could rewrite? |
| 22:27.19 | Kueken | available for anyone |
| 22:27.21 | Mexa | Lol blub |
| 22:27.51 | Deaod | i wouldnt protect my map because i made something awesome. |
| 22:27.54 | Mexa | People may want to hide their map content and not reveal it for others. |
| 22:28.05 | Mexa | There are several reasons |
| 22:28.07 | blub_ | it's not like the great epiphanies of programming happen in galaxycode :P |
| 22:28.16 | Deaod | id do it mainly to save space |
| 22:28.42 | Kueken | if they don't introduce a way to lock maps, the marketplace would be ridiculous :D |
| 22:28.43 | blub_ | you're assuming the bytecode is smaller than a compressed galaxy code string? :P |
| 22:28.44 | Mexa | I know this is a map, and that it's probably a less serious thing, making maps in sc2 |
| 22:28.51 | Deaod | no. |
| 22:28.55 | Stewox | parser = debugger (fancy words) |
| 22:28.56 | Stewox | ? |
| 22:29.04 | Mexa | But I would not even release my own games open source |
| 22:29.04 | Deaod | whether its bytecode or not |
| 22:29.06 | Kueken | you could say so |
| 22:29.08 | blub_ | parser parses code, debugger debugs an executable |
| 22:29.10 | blub_ | they're not hte same :S |
| 22:29.16 | blub_ | Mexa: I do |
| 22:29.22 | Kueken | parser sort of looks, if the code is valid |
| 22:29.26 | Mexa | I assumed that |
| 22:29.39 | Mexa | Are you a fan of linux, per chance? |
| 22:29.57 | Stewox | okay so Parser is: checking code for valid but not detecting problems when executing ? |
| 22:30.02 | blub_ | 00:21 < blub_> I have VIM! |
| 22:30.08 | Stewox | and parser is in the n+ beiers eidtor or what |
| 22:30.10 | blub_ | was that not clear enough? :P |
| 22:30.14 | Kueken | yes and yes |
| 22:30.21 | Mexa | Don't know what VIM is :> |
| 22:30.32 | Mexa | But okay, so linix |
| 22:30.34 | Mexa | *u |
| 22:30.35 | Deaod | theres gvim |
| 22:31.02 | Stewox | So what we need for SC2 is actually a working debugger .... because currently it only parses the code reporting a syntax error |
| 22:31.12 | Mexa | Anyway, people have the right to hide their content if they want |
| 22:31.13 | Deaod | errrr |
| 22:31.14 | blub_ | Stewox: parser usually also creates some kind of syntax tree which can be optimized, then some kidn of intermediate code is created which again can be optimized, where the lower-level things happen (like allocation of actual working-variables/registers) etc. |
| 22:31.19 | blub_ | and then, the binary code is produced :P |
| 22:31.20 | Kueken | sc2 has a debug window you can enable on testing |
| 22:31.20 | Mexa | The option is there for a reason |
| 22:31.30 | Deaod | what you want stewox is a parser that actually does a good enough job |
| 22:31.37 | Stewox | lol i can come to a conclusion that galaxy editor doesn't even have a debugger |
| 22:31.44 | blub_ | facepalms at Mexa |
| 22:31.45 | Deaod | it does. |
| 22:31.48 | blub_ | VIM! >.< |
| 22:31.50 | blub_ | oh my god |
| 22:31.56 | blub_ | how do YOu edit text files? |
| 22:32.00 | blub_ | saving with ctrl+S? :P |
| 22:32.01 | Mexa | huh |
| 22:32.14 | grim001 | ? |
| 22:32.23 | Deaod | UltraEdit if you must know. |
| 22:32.27 | JademusDead | As a wizard, I just use magic, obviously. |
| 22:32.32 | Mexa | I use notepad++ often. |
| 22:32.32 | blub_ | even that name makes me... wanna puke |
| 22:32.35 | blub_ | Ultra Edit |
| 22:32.47 | Kueken | ducks |
| 22:32.50 | Deaod | heh, i try to use IDEs |
| 22:32.51 | Kueken | not on me |
| 22:32.52 | Stewox | Deaod , so a good parser would make less cance of execution errors but that is solely a engine capability how stuff can work ... |
| 22:32.57 | Stewox | it's a guess |
| 22:33.02 | blub_ | does windoze have any good programs which do not have any of "Mega" "Ultra" "Business Pro" "Superdupercoolio" in the name? |
| 22:33.04 | JademusDead | D=< |
| 22:33.11 | blub_ | and 30 day trials for a half-features piece of crap? |
| 22:33.15 | blub_ | featured* |
| 22:33.18 | Kueken | uhm |
| 22:33.22 | Kueken | paint |
| 22:33.24 | Kueken | :D |
| 22:33.24 | Deaod | NP++ is half decent |
| 22:33.25 | JademusDead | turns an inert block of stone into a spiny turtle creature. |
| 22:33.30 | blub_ | Kueken: I consider paint half-featured |
| 22:33.36 | grim001 | so much backlog to read... |
| 22:33.38 | Kueken | half? |
| 22:33.43 | Mexa | np++ is enough for what I need it for |
| 22:33.44 | Kueken | wow, you are generous |
| 22:33.44 | Stewox | I use Programmers Notepad , is there anything about SC2 for it ? |
| 22:33.54 | Deaod | yes, there are problems with NP++ |
| 22:33.55 | Mexa | Otherwise I just go to vs2010 |
| 22:33.58 | blub_ | enough for what people need - sure |
| 22:34.03 | blub_ | for people who don't know better :P |
| 22:34.08 | Mexa | lol |
| 22:34.09 | blub_ | it's like |
| 22:34.13 | Mexa | whatever then |
| 22:34.13 | blub_ | living your whole life without underwear |
| 22:34.16 | blub_ | until you discover it |
| 22:34.21 | blub_ | and then you think WTF how can ppl live without that? |
| 22:34.24 | JademusDead | What's underwear? |
| 22:34.36 | Kueken | isnt it the other way around? |
| 22:34.45 | Mexa | blub, I know what I need |
| 22:34.48 | Mexa | And I don't need VIM |
| 22:34.51 | Mexa | kthxbye. |
| 22:34.53 | Kueken | you need-... |
| 22:34.59 | Kueken | BOXERSHORTS |
| 22:35.01 | Stewox | So SC2 has a bad parser , but the debugger is okay ? |
| 22:35.09 | blub_ | Stewox: both sucks |
| 22:35.10 | Deaod | somewhat |
| 22:35.10 | blub_ | haha |
| 22:35.18 | Deaod | yes, both suck. |
| 22:35.20 | Stewox | okay ... |
| 22:35.23 | Kueken | well the debugger is okay-ish |
| 22:35.27 | Kueken | better than nothing |
| 22:35.36 | Deaod | better than nothing, yes |
| 22:35.40 | Kueken | the parsers error messages are basically non-existent |
| 22:35.43 | blub_ | Stewox: the debugger is merely window showing you the values of the variables and which triggers get executed |
| 22:35.47 | blub_ | and which errors happen |
| 22:35.51 | Kueken | and they dont even catch the correct line |
| 22:35.53 | blub_ | it does not show you at what point in the code the error happens.. |
| 22:36.01 | blub_ | even just a line-number would be nice : |
| 22:36.02 | blub_ | :/ |
| 22:36.04 | Stewox | but because of the bad parser , using the time consuming debugger is .. even more annoying yeah :p |
| 22:36.11 | Mexa | The interpretator ingame gives more mumbo errors if the script is wrong |
| 22:36.17 | Mexa | Like, no information. |
| 22:36.19 | Kueken | at least the debugger shows the trigger |
| 22:36.27 | Kueken | the parser gives you a line |
| 22:36.33 | Kueken | which can be 40 lines off |
| 22:36.37 | blub_ | Kueken: if you have multiple functions, and they call another set of functions, then that's not too helpful |
| 22:36.40 | Stewox | LOL |
| 22:36.43 | Stewox | 40 lines off |
| 22:36.45 | Stewox | OMFG |
| 22:36.46 | Mexa | sc2 gives you "Warning: syntax error in script" |
| 22:37.22 | Kueken | and it gives a line |
| 22:37.25 | Stewox | that's why i never go anything working when i experimented with it in beta ... |
| 22:37.25 | Mexa | so I suppose the editor parser is also "better than nothing" |
| 22:37.29 | Kueken | and based on your current script |
| 22:37.34 | Kueken | the line is off |
| 22:37.36 | blub_ | Mexa: sure |
| 22:37.40 | blub_ | everything's better than nothing |
| 22:37.42 | blub_ | except windoze |
| 22:37.46 | Kueken | for my current map I have to look 28 lines up |
| 22:37.49 | Mexa | windoze? |
| 22:37.50 | Kueken | to find the real error |
| 22:37.52 | Stewox | and that "View Raw Scripts" in Editor is READ-ONLY OMG |
| 22:37.52 | blub_ | windows |
| 22:37.54 | Kueken | kinda amusing |
| 22:38.02 | Mexa | Say that next time |
| 22:38.03 | Mexa | .__ |
| 22:38.09 | Kueken | ? |
| 22:38.12 | Kueken | ah |
| 22:38.16 | Kueken | in trigger editor |
| 22:38.18 | Mexa | I'll stick with windows thank you very much |
| 22:38.29 | blub_ | btw why the heck does the sc2 built-in script editor color each letter of the currently edited line seperately with a half-second delay? |
| 22:38.33 | Kueken | data raw editing is perfectly fine :9 |
| 22:38.37 | blub_ | when you copy&paste 3 lines you can watch it go through the stupid text... |
| 22:38.45 | blub_ | performance in wine sucks even more :( |
| 22:38.57 | Stewox | Kueken |
| 22:38.59 | Mexa | Blub, it's also flawed already due to improper coloring |
| 22:39.06 | blub_ | that too |
| 22:39.07 | Mexa | it scrambles the highlight up |
| 22:39.10 | Stewox | Data > View Scripts , is READ-ONLY |
| 22:39.22 | Mexa | you can save the script from there |
| 22:39.38 | blub_ | what? |
| 22:39.38 | Mexa | but yeah, requires reimport |
| 22:39.40 | Deaod | youre probably talking about the CTRL+F11 window |
| 22:39.48 | Stewox | yes deaod |
| 22:39.51 | blub_ | Deaod: right, speak hotkeys, kiddoes |
| 22:39.53 | Kueken | ask blizz... |
| 22:39.53 | Kueken | they have some slow as heck syntax highlighting which looks like shit and doe snot even work... |
| 22:39.57 | Deaod | blub |
| 22:40.01 | blub_ | hotkeys I'm more familiar with :D |
| 22:40.09 | Deaod | i never EVER looked at the title of the window |
| 22:40.16 | blub_ | same here |
| 22:40.18 | Deaod | i only know how to open it |
| 22:40.29 | blub_ | you're a perfect candidate for VIM! |
| 22:40.36 | blub_ | no button-bar, no window-menu |
| 22:40.50 | blub_ | no mouse required ever |
| 22:40.53 | Kueken | seems like they do everything in their power to prevent ppl from using raw galaxy script |
| 22:40.54 | Deaod | oh, i do some editing in vi sometimes. |
| 22:40.59 | Mexa | So how do you learn it the first time... trial and error? |
| 22:41.07 | *** join/#sc2mapster Hjalte_ (~chatzilla@cpe.ge-0-2-0-835.arcnqu2.customer.tele.dk) |
| 22:41.18 | blub_ | Deaod: and I thought i was the only one in this channel |
| 22:41.28 | Deaod | but i wouldnt want to use vim for the really productive shit |
| 22:41.28 | blub_ | Mexa: you read the help |
| 22:41.34 | Kueken | (00:40:38) Stewox: Data > View Scripts , is READ-ONLY |
| 22:41.38 | Mexa | I would learn hotkeys. But I would probably not remember it for every program I am using. |
| 22:41.40 | blub_ | Deaod: don't say java or eclipse |
| 22:41.43 | blub_ | Deaod: then I'd have to kill you |
| 22:41.44 | Stewox | so that CTRL+11 window probably has to be the biggest joke in whole editor , that thing wasted me like a day , when EVERYTHING i written was OVERWRITTEN and then i edited scripts.galaxy MANUALLY inside MPQ and even THAT got overwritten when the map saved/loaded !!! |
| 22:41.45 | Kueken | I was talking about the data editor |
| 22:41.49 | grim001 | Kueken: there is a way to edit raw galaxy script in notepad++ while hardly relying on the editor. |
| 22:41.49 | Kueken | not the map script |
| 22:41.54 | Deaod | i do use eclipse |
| 22:42.01 | blub_ | kills Deaod |
| 22:42.06 | blub_ | okay, good, now that he's out of the way |
| 22:42.09 | Mexa | taste is taste. |
| 22:42.09 | blub_ | Stewox: yes |
| 22:42.17 | blub_ | Stewox: they failed to make the text field read-only |
| 22:42.22 | Kueken | yes |
| 22:42.23 | Deaod | fades. |
| 22:42.26 | blub_ | Stewox: I too tried to edit in it once, but only a few lines |
| 22:42.32 | Mexa | But no right or wrong so derp. |
| 22:42.47 | blub_ | sends actor message "Destroy" to Deaod |
| 22:43.00 | grim001 | the entire trigger editor is a waste of space, we are just in the void right now before someone creates a good alternative... |
| 22:43.14 | Deaod | is not an actor. |
| 22:43.21 | Stewox | kueken there's another DTRL+F11 window |
| 22:43.30 | blub_ | sends actor message "Destroy" to (Main Actor of (Deaod)) |
| 22:43.45 | Deaod | is not a unit. |
| 22:43.48 | Stewox | im talking about triggers , the confusion is , the Data is not XML , it's the Tab named such |
| 22:44.01 | blub_ | sets Deaod = "" |
| 22:44.16 | Deaod | gets recycled. |
| 22:44.31 | Stewox | this is so important for me and i thank so much for explanations , like opened my eyes |
| 22:44.45 | Kueken | integer bla(unit u){ |
| 22:44.46 | Kueken | } |
| 22:44.46 | blub_ | why do you keep mentioning XML? |
| 22:44.54 | blub_ | Kueken: syntax error |
| 22:45.00 | Mexa | http://www.aperturescience.com/glados@home/ not much left now |
| 22:45.03 | blub_ | I won't tell you the line or the trigger it is in, nananananaaanaaa |
| 22:45.12 | Kueken | wrong window :/ |
| 22:45.17 | Deaod | typedef int integer; |
| 22:45.25 | blub_ | that is |
| 22:45.27 | blub_ | before I wake up |
| 22:45.32 | blub_ | but I have WORK TO DO TOMORROW!!! |
| 22:45.40 | blub_ | OH MY GOD I PRELOADED FOR NTHING >.< |
| 22:45.59 | Mexa | It could probably shorten to about 4 hours from now |
| 22:46.07 | Mexa | If they manage to finnish everything in time |
| 22:46.12 | blub_ | #define typedef noways |
| 22:46.20 | Stewox | idk blub |
| 22:46.28 | Stewox | kueken didn't understand me right or what ? |
| 22:46.32 | Stewox | hex mexa |
| 22:46.40 | Deaod | notice how the potato count is going down. |
| 22:46.45 | Mexa | yeah |
| 22:46.45 | Stewox | Aux Power (potatos) is counting down |
| 22:46.47 | Stewox | wtf |
| 22:46.54 | Mexa | The auxiliary power is dropping |
| 22:47.11 | Stewox | this has to be a joke |
| 22:47.14 | blub_ | too bad I already finished Amnesia |
| 22:47.37 | Mexa | So did I |
| 22:47.39 | blub_ | I can recommend it to any of you who haven't played it yet :) |
| 22:47.40 | Deaod | blub, why do you have eclipse, btw? |
| 22:47.44 | Mexa | I could rage more on SMB |
| 22:47.51 | blub_ | points at university |
| 22:47.51 | Mexa | But I'm not sure I will handle that |
| 22:47.54 | blub_ | Deaod: they made me use it |
| 22:47.59 | Deaod | oh |
| 22:48.05 | Ashamed | i have offically created a back up script that back ups any directory of your choice, and it restores all the directories in the correct location :) ( and compresses them when it backs them up ) |
| 22:48.05 | Deaod | meh |
| 22:48.06 | blub_ | because it needs to integrate into their eclipse project |
| 22:48.11 | blub_ | it's the ONLY java prjoect I work on |
| 22:48.20 | blub_ | and let me show you something: |
| 22:48.30 | Mexa | netbeans is nice for java |
| 22:48.37 | grim001 | I tried eclipse and netbeans, I found netbeans easier to use. |
| 22:48.44 | grim001 | and more configurable for my tastes. |
| 22:48.52 | blub_ | Deaod: |
| 22:48.55 | blub_ | blub@blubmb [12:48:39] [~] |
| 22:48.55 | blub_ | -> % find ~/.m2 | wc -l |
| 22:48.55 | blub_ | 6818 |
| 22:49.06 | Mexa | yeah, since it is official for java, and needs less starting configurations |
| 22:49.25 | Mexa | What I don't like, is all the mumbo .whatever folders in your users folder. |
| 22:49.33 | Mexa | Which it creates |
| 22:49.33 | Deaod | do i have to understand this? |
| 22:49.41 | blub_ | Deaod: know maven? |
| 22:49.53 | Deaod | not a hardcore linux user. |
| 22:50.01 | Deaod | anyway, no |
| 22:50.03 | blub_ | not linux specific (I think lol) |
| 22:50.09 | blub_ | manages java dependencies |
| 22:50.13 | Mexa | hey blub, did you buy the humblebundle? |
| 22:50.20 | blub_ | the what now? |
| 22:50.34 | Mexa | http://www.humblebundle.com/ |
| 22:50.34 | blub_ | one project, and several thousand files in my maven2 repository... |
| 22:50.49 | blub_ | Mexa: no, my brother did though |
| 22:51.12 | blub_ | pretty sure he kept the linux numbers up ^^ |
| 22:51.47 | Mexa | windows users are greedy bastards :> |
| 22:51.50 | blub_ | Top Contributors |
| 22:51.54 | blub_ | 1 Ok, you win! $2,000.04 |
| 22:51.58 | blub_ | WHAT NOW? |
| 22:52.18 | Mexa | Notch and Garry fighting over the top 1 |
| 22:52.23 | grim001 | my netbeans: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22137420/Netbeans.png |
| 22:52.32 | Stewox | Mexa |
| 22:52.37 | Stewox | potatos are sales or what |
| 22:52.39 | Stewox | i don't get it |
| 22:52.51 | Mexa | The potato sack pack? |
| 22:52.58 | Stewox | aux powe |
| 22:53.15 | Mexa | All indie games have potatoes hidden in their game |
| 22:53.24 | blub_ | no : |
| 22:53.26 | blub_ | :O |
| 22:53.31 | Mexa | Or rather, you find some special secrets and you get potatoes on your profile |
| 22:53.33 | blub_ | where does braid have potatoes? |
| 22:53.37 | blub_ | oh |
| 22:53.41 | Mexa | Braid is not in the pack |
| 22:53.55 | blub_ | I'm off to bed now |
| 22:54.05 | Stewox | rmexa |
| 22:54.06 | blub_ | nighty night |
| 22:54.16 | Mexa | the potatoes gives a multiplier factor to the manhours spent on the games |
| 22:54.18 | Stewox | so you don't get potatos for a buy ? |
| 22:54.18 | Mexa | Nighty blub |
| 22:54.28 | Mexa | No, you need to find them |
| 22:54.33 | Stewox | aha |
| 22:54.36 | Mexa | Tasks in the games to get them |
| 22:54.47 | Stewox | so actually why is it falling down now ? |
| 22:54.54 | Mexa | I don't know |
| 22:54.58 | Mexa | It was stable before |
| 22:54.59 | Stewox | okay |
| 22:55.14 | Mexa | I could assume they hit a critical point of the potato count |
| 22:55.24 | Mexa | And now it is falling down, at the same rate as the timer. |
| 22:55.30 | Mexa | or something |
| 22:55.35 | grim001 | or maybe they are trying to prevent people from finishing the countdown too quickly. |
| 22:55.50 | Mexa | Yeah, could be that too |
| 22:55.54 | Mexa | As they are done soon |
| 22:56.02 | Stewox | i think the numbers that are CPUS |
| 22:56.05 | Stewox | are sales |
| 22:56.16 | Stewox | potatos have no impact on CPU only on aux power |
| 22:56.20 | Mexa | no, the number of CPUs are how many who is playing right now. |
| 22:56.33 | Stewox | now that there's so close , the aux is falling off |
| 22:56.53 | *** join/#sc2mapster grim001 (~chatzilla@c-69-246-170-145.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 22:56.54 | Stewox | lol really ? |
| 22:56.58 | Mexa | yeah |
| 22:57.05 | Mexa | They documented it being that |
| 22:57.18 | Mexa | Seems the valvearg wiki is down atm, so I can't recheck |
| 22:57.24 | Stewox | it's a weird system ... i thought it was based on sales |
| 22:57.33 | Stewox | the stupid media sites spined it around |
| 22:57.39 | Stewox | stupid kotaku |
| 22:57.39 | Deaod | the potatoes are sales probably |
| 22:58.19 | Mexa | Why would the sales suddenly be dropping like that? |
| 22:58.34 | Stewox | no idea |
| 22:58.36 | Stewox | ah about CPUS |
| 22:58.38 | Stewox | now i get it |
| 22:58.42 | Stewox | it's the time played |
| 22:58.51 | Stewox | and shows hum uch currently are playing |
| 22:58.56 | Mexa | Yes, man hours and current players |
| 22:58.57 | Stewox | ! |
| 22:59.07 | Mexa | They made it to be confusing though |
| 22:59.16 | Stewox | but the SLIDER doesn't tell you how much hours exactly |
| 22:59.27 | Mexa | Also |
| 22:59.41 | Mexa | The more people playing, the longer it requires |
| 22:59.44 | Mexa | in manhours |
| 22:59.49 | Mexa | I read that too |
| 23:00.00 | Mexa | Damn wiki |
| 23:00.17 | Stewox | really ' |
| 23:00.18 | Stewox | lol |
| 23:00.20 | Stewox | now |
| 23:00.26 | Stewox | the aux failing |
| 23:00.30 | Mexa | http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:www.valvearg.com/wiki/GLaDOS%40Home&hl=sv&strip=1 |
| 23:00.41 | Stewox | is definitely something to control the release |
| 23:00.56 | Mexa | Since the site is down, that's an older wiki docu of the glados@home. |
| 23:01.09 | FockeWulf | Howdy all, I'm having an issue with the siege tank attack. everything works great except where the launch asset model is comming from. It is comming from the front of the unit not the unit's turret which is a little ways away. I'm pretty sure I'm doing something wrong were but I can't for the life of me find out what I am doing wrong. Can I get any help here? |
| 23:02.02 | Mexa | yeah... that data stuff is not my thing :7 |
| 23:02.09 | *** join/#sc2mapster Guest29439 (kvirc@75.108.252.138) |
| 23:03.10 | JademusDead | Site ops? I'd need to open the editor to be certain. |
| 23:04.14 | FockeWulf | site ops aint working >.< |
| 23:04.20 | FockeWulf | there is no missile |
| 23:04.36 | FockeWulf | so it seems that almost half of that stuff doesn't even apply |
| 23:04.38 | Stewox | thanks mexa for ling |
| 23:04.40 | Stewox | link |
| 23:04.49 | Mexa | sure, np |
| 23:08.34 | FockeWulf | I'm getting this error "can only create 1 CActor Action Per Effect |
| 23:08.36 | FockeWulf | what does that mean? |
| 23:09.42 | FockeWulf | And If i remove the launch asset model |
| 23:09.44 | JademusDead | I remember someone had that before, only with a unit. |
| 23:09.45 | FockeWulf | This error goes away |
| 23:10.02 | FockeWulf | the issue is its only one actor and only one effect triggers it |
| 23:10.19 | JademusDead | Could it be same class of actors with the same token is causing the issue? |
| 23:11.03 | FockeWulf | Nope |
| 23:11.11 | FockeWulf | Checked that several times and just checked again |
| 23:11.40 | FockeWulf | The thing is that lauch asset is not a model in the actors tab its in the models tab so that shouldn't be causing it. |
| 23:14.57 | FockeWulf | Is the attachment - launch asset for the main unit model or for a modeladdition turret model? |
| 23:16.48 | JademusDead | I'm not sure. I haven't worked much on turret stuff. |
| 23:17.40 | FockeWulf | >.< |
| 23:18.04 | FockeWulf | What no one's create a doombeast tank with 10 turrets on it of various weapons yet? |
| 23:18.13 | Deaod | takes Jademus to a nurse. |
| 23:18.32 | Mexa|Sleep | Goodnight guys. |
| 23:18.45 | Deaod | gnight |
| 23:19.09 | JademusDead | =D |
| 23:19.18 | JademusDead | I am all rested up. |
| 23:19.44 | AlphA_VsT | awesome |
| 23:19.46 | JademusDead | Deaod, have you played Photon Cycles yet? |
| 23:19.50 | Deaod | yes |
| 23:19.59 | JademusDead | Any problems? |
| 23:20.08 | Deaod | hence why i suggested peripheral vision |
| 23:20.17 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 23:20.21 | JademusDead | My memory is shit. I remember that now. =D |
| 23:20.29 | Deaod | :) |
| 23:20.40 | JademusDead | If there is a significant demand for it, I will implement it. |
| 23:20.53 | AlphA_VsT | seems hard :P |
| 23:20.57 | JademusDead | Naw. |
| 23:21.35 | JademusDead | It simply involves getting a keystate and storing the camera yaw. |
| 23:21.42 | AlphA_VsT | i got my ramp though thanks to copy paste :D |
| 23:21.46 | JademusDead | Pretty simple. |
| 23:21.50 | JademusDead | Oh wow, congrats. |
| 23:22.00 | JademusDead | You showed those bastards! |
| 23:22.01 | AlphA_VsT | im thinking of uploading it |
| 23:22.07 | Mexa|Sleep | Jade btw, before I go |
| 23:22.09 | AlphA_VsT | so everyone can use it |
| 23:22.19 | Mexa|Sleep | Did you alter your movement code? |
| 23:22.19 | JademusDead | Anyway, I'm wondering what little flag was ticked that turned off the capability. |
| 23:22.28 | JademusDead | Mexa, can you explain>? |
| 23:22.48 | Mexa|Sleep | Photon cycles seems to have about the same delay as input now, when moving the camera with the mouse |
| 23:23.11 | JademusDead | Movement code is still the same. |
| 23:23.15 | Mexa|Sleep | Weird |
| 23:23.22 | Mexa|Sleep | It was much more delayed |
| 23:23.28 | Mexa|Sleep | :|? |
| 23:23.29 | JademusDead | I added some things to the main update, but nothing that impaired gameplay. |
| 23:23.44 | JademusDead | I was playing today though and I notioced a change in latency as well. |
| 23:23.54 | JademusDead | So it might just be thew weather, so to speak. |
| 23:23.58 | JademusDead | *the |
| 23:24.14 | Mexa|Sleep | the weather? |
| 23:24.24 | Mexa|Sleep | A coincidence? |
| 23:24.52 | JademusDead | Might just be the localized experience of a vast complex network of interacting systems. |
| 23:24.54 | Mexa|Sleep | uhm, temporary? Not sure what I am saying. |
| 23:25.05 | JademusDead | Might just be a laggy day for battlenet. |
| 23:25.07 | JademusDead | =) |
| 23:25.16 | Mexa|Sleep | Yeah, kay |
| 23:25.21 | Mexa|Sleep | Hopefully |
| 23:25.30 | JademusDead | crosses fingers. |
| 23:25.30 | Mexa|Sleep | I'm off! |
| 23:25.33 | JademusDead | Later. |
| 23:25.37 | Mexa|Sleep | vieewveeeeeviiw |
| 23:25.39 | Mexa|Sleep | later |
| 23:35.02 | JademusDead | I have the pleasure of assembling music for my map with the licenses that permit non-commercial distribution. |
| 23:35.07 | JademusDead | "pleasure" |
| 23:35.17 | JademusDead | =D |
| 23:39.13 | FockeWulf | OK now this is weird |
| 23:39.43 | FockeWulf | in the damage effect, I changed the lauch location from source unit to source point and it changed where on the barracks the siege tank flash came from |
| 23:39.46 | FockeWulf | hmm |
| 23:40.26 | FockeWulf | so which one of those limited launch locations would enable me to change where it came from |
| 23:43.06 | AlphA_VsT | WHo wants RAMPS!!!! |
| 23:49.47 | AlphA_VsT | no one wants ramps? |
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| 23:52.36 | JademusDead | Haha. |
| 23:52.51 | JademusDead | Just post a topic about it? =D |
| 23:54.11 | AlphA_VsT | ? |
| 23:54.17 | AlphA_VsT | i have some ramps |
| 23:54.21 | AlphA_VsT | copy and pasteable |
| 23:54.33 | AlphA_VsT | with minor editing and resetting |
| 23:54.41 | JademusDead | Yup. You should make a topic about it on mapster. |
| 23:56.36 | JademusDead | I wanna play some Photon Cycles. |
