| 00:00.10 | Mexa|Afk | most likely a max of 50 per player |
| 00:00.19 | tordy | what happens after the max ? |
| 00:00.23 | tordy | 50 is very small |
| 00:00.47 | tordy | im sure blizzard would prob reserve it for maps that keep some standard |
| 00:00.54 | Mexa|Afk | 50 is pretty much considering people don't play millions of different maps in the daily basis |
| 00:01.06 | tordy | it's not about the average player though |
| 00:01.11 | tordy | what about hardcore custom map players |
| 00:01.29 | tordy | you see it's a problem |
| 00:01.35 | tordy | you can raise it to 100 |
| 00:01.40 | tordy | eventually there's gonna be a limit |
| 00:01.43 | JManV | an average of 50 is still maintainable |
| 00:01.43 | Mexa|Afk | I suspect they'd have to cut down the content of a bank then |
| 00:01.51 | tordy | just remove them? |
| 00:01.57 | JManV | a lot of players never play custom maps |
| 00:02.02 | tordy | those players wouldn't be happy about getting their banks deleted |
| 00:02.15 | tordy | a lot dont yes |
| 00:02.17 | Mexa|Afk | If not warned perhaps |
| 00:02.29 | Alpha_vst | i see it as an option for paid maps... if they ever do that |
| 00:02.37 | Mexa|Afk | But I still think it will happend for the average players |
| 00:02.39 | Reactorex | They're closer now to paid maps than before. |
| 00:02.49 | tordy | ah paid maps |
| 00:02.51 | Reactorex | "Featured" list on the custom games join thing was recently added. |
| 00:02.53 | tordy | damnit blizz |
| 00:03.02 | Reactorex | Only one map on there.. looks to me like premium maps will go on there. |
| 00:03.07 | tordy | yea i'd imagine paid maps would have server-side banks |
| 00:03.18 | Mexa|Afk | 1 map? |
| 00:03.22 | Mexa|Afk | I see tons |
| 00:03.22 | tordy | that'll restrict the amount of bandwidth greatly |
| 00:03.27 | tordy | but |
| 00:03.29 | Reactorex | There was on when I last checked. |
| 00:03.29 | tordy | it's :( |
| 00:03.35 | Reactorex | one* |
| 00:03.44 | Reactorex | Blizzard's map. |
| 00:03.48 | Reactorex | Aiur Chef, I think. |
| 00:03.53 | tordy | what |
| 00:03.58 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 00:04.00 | tordy | Aiur Chef has server-side banks? |
| 00:04.03 | JademusSreg | Damn. |
| 00:04.07 | Reactorex | No, "featured" map. |
| 00:04.10 | tordy | oh |
| 00:04.14 | tordy | for auir! |
| 00:04.17 | Reactorex | Ohhi Jademus. :p |
| 00:04.20 | Reactorex | Familiar name is familiar. |
| 00:04.25 | JademusSreg | Hi. |
| 00:04.25 | Alpha_vst | that map is lol |
| 00:04.26 | Reactorex | Alpha_vst, you haven't even said "hi". :F |
| 00:04.26 | MrOp | does anyone know where the set effect field is under the weapon tab |
| 00:04.30 | Reactorex | You don't remember me? |
| 00:04.34 | Alpha_vst | I do |
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| 00:04.38 | Alpha_vst | HI |
| 00:04.42 | JademusSreg | Why does that infernal bug persist? |
| 00:04.43 | Alpha_vst | MISS ME? :D |
| 00:04.43 | MrOp | hi |
| 00:04.47 | tordy | so let's say blizzz does server-side for every map and figures out a good way to deal w/ limitations |
| 00:05.05 | tordy | what are the odds of them letting the publishers access the bank data for their maps? |
| 00:05.09 | Mexa|Afk | Reactorex, I see all Blizzard's custom mods on the featured and popularity as top |
| 00:05.10 | MrOp | alpha do you know where that field is |
| 00:05.13 | Mexa|Afk | all 3 of them |
| 00:05.24 | tordy | so they can use the bank data for a website of some sort |
| 00:05.30 | Alpha_vst | what field mrop? |
| 00:05.32 | tordy | ranking or some shit |
| 00:05.49 | MrOp | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:06.48 | Alpha_vst | maybe eventually but I dont see that happening |
| 00:07.20 | tordy | u talkin to me |
| 00:07.25 | Alpha_vst | yeah |
| 00:07.30 | MrOp | nm i found it |
| 00:07.31 | MrOp | sigh |
| 00:07.39 | Alpha_vst | yeah i have no idea mrop :D |
| 00:07.52 | Alpha_vst | i have not looked at the data editor in months :D |
| 00:07.57 | tordy | why did Ultralisk need a seperate Search effect for its damage? |
| 00:08.03 | Reactorex | Yesh, I did, Alpha :P |
| 00:08.07 | tordy | instead of just having search in the damage effect itself |
| 00:08.13 | Reactorex | WHY DID YOU WAIT SO LONG TO COME BACK? |
| 00:08.22 | Alpha_vst | i just got sc2 :P |
| 00:08.24 | Reactorex | I finished a semester and a half of school while you were gone >< |
| 00:08.55 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 00:09.14 | Alpha_vst | Paper zombies is being worked on again lol |
| 00:11.23 | QueenGambit | =) |
| 00:11.34 | Alpha_vst | no smiles |
| 00:11.37 | Bounty | woot i got my launch video done |
| 00:11.40 | Bounty | thanks to Fun or Not |
| 00:11.50 | Bounty | published a map and had it selected by fun or not in like 2 minutes lol |
| 00:12.54 | QueenGambit | my map editor isn't responding and i haven't saved in 2 hours... Maybe if i just wait... |
| 00:13.32 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 00:15.41 | Motive | Lol |
| 00:15.45 | Motive | I GOT MY WAFFLES |
| 00:15.48 | Motive | IN CASE ANYONE'S CURIOUS |
| 00:16.00 | MrOp | oh i have been wondering that all day |
| 00:16.09 | MrOp | i can now leave my computer |
| 00:16.12 | MrOp | thanks motive |
| 00:16.56 | MrOp | hay motive |
| 00:17.36 | Motive | I regret to inform you all, I have no hay. |
| 00:17.44 | MrOp | damnit |
| 00:17.54 | MrOp | i wanted to ask you a question about your video |
| 00:18.03 | Motive | k |
| 00:18.09 | MrOp | so othe other then being a nerd |
| 00:18.23 | MrOp | why is that helpful to be able to do that while you are in game |
| 00:18.36 | MrOp | will you be able to export what you do in there or something |
| 00:18.47 | Motive | no. it's not for sc2mapster. it's for a sandbox map |
| 00:19.01 | MrOp | oh |
| 00:19.06 | MrOp | ok that make sense |
| 00:19.13 | MrOp | you might want to add that to your intro |
| 00:19.21 | Reactorex | Pft, no. |
| 00:19.22 | MrOp | unless you did and i missed it or something |
| 00:19.25 | Reactorex | xD |
| 00:19.26 | Motive | nope. :P the video was intended primarily for people already familiar with the map |
| 00:19.33 | MrOp | oh |
| 00:20.44 | MrOp | that makes sense then |
| 00:21.05 | MrOp | are you going to add all the commands to the help menu and tooltips |
| 00:21.08 | Reactorex | Okay, Featured has a lot of games on it, but only one featured "Custom" game. |
| 00:22.05 | Reactorex | The rest don't show, awkwardly. :p |
| 00:22.36 | Alpha_vst | odd |
| 00:22.44 | Reactorex | So, Alpha, wutcha been up ta? |
| 00:23.00 | Alpha_vst | not a lot :( |
| 00:23.15 | Reactorex | Why were you gone so loooooong? |
| 00:23.23 | Reactorex | Why didn't you buy SC2 soonerrrr? |
| 00:23.23 | Reactorex | :O |
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| 00:26.58 | Alpha_vst | imbroke :D |
| 00:27.34 | Motive | NO EXCUSES |
| 00:27.37 | Motive | GET OUT OF THIS CHANNEL, YOU BUM |
| 00:29.22 | Bounty | Enjoy this shit |
| 00:29.23 | Bounty | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/project-workplace/20476-release-grav-ball-extreme-hot-potato/#p1 |
| 00:33.30 | JademusSreg | Jman, I fixed the problem with passing through barriers, I think. |
| 00:34.04 | JademusSreg | The Crashable search period was 0.2, which apparently permitted the ocassional pass through. |
| 00:35.20 | JManV | cool |
| 00:35.30 | JManV | what about the mouse? :) |
| 00:35.56 | QueenGambit | Lol bounty, i was watching your video on full screen and I wanted to chat with everyone (i forgot it was only a video) |
| 00:36.05 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:36.13 | Bounty | yeah, thats the downside to fun or not |
| 00:36.16 | Bounty | lots of chatterboxes >< |
| 00:36.35 | QueenGambit | anyway you can move the chat to the left side? I've seen some maps able to do so |
| 00:36.41 | Bounty | yeah |
| 00:36.44 | Bounty | im gonna have to figure out how to do it |
| 00:36.47 | QueenGambit | cuz the chat is in the way of the entire map |
| 00:36.48 | Bounty | bc i wanna do that lol |
| 00:36.51 | QueenGambit | k |
| 00:36.53 | Bounty | yeah |
| 00:36.55 | JademusSreg | I tried. |
| 00:36.57 | Bounty | i wanna put it on the bottom left |
| 00:37.01 | JademusSreg | Couldn't fix the bug with the mouse. |
| 00:37.40 | JManV | i've never seen that on any map but yours |
| 00:37.51 | JademusSreg | Pretty neat. |
| 00:38.01 | JManV | even bounty's maps don't do that :P |
| 00:38.14 | Bounty | dont do what lol |
| 00:38.31 | JademusSreg | Something I do makes the mouse disappear forever. |
| 00:38.39 | JManV | make your mouse pointer go away when you go back into the main menu |
| 00:38.42 | Bounty | oh |
| 00:38.46 | Bounty | i know |
| 00:38.46 | JManV | leave the game |
| 00:38.48 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:38.51 | Bounty | i know how to fix that :) |
| 00:38.52 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 00:38.58 | Alpha_vst | restart the game |
| 00:39.00 | Bounty | do u make it hide it on map init? |
| 00:39.05 | Bounty | dont do that |
| 00:39.11 | Bounty | make it do it at like |
| 00:39.11 | JademusSreg | I do it before map init. |
| 00:39.14 | Bounty | yeah |
| 00:39.16 | Bounty | dont do that |
| 00:39.18 | Bounty | do it like |
| 00:39.21 | Bounty | .06 seconds into the game |
| 00:39.25 | Bounty | and it wont bug out |
| 00:39.27 | JademusSreg | That's some bullshit. |
| 00:39.30 | JManV | haha |
| 00:39.31 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 00:39.35 | Alpha_vst | haha |
| 00:39.38 | Bounty | yeah i know |
| 00:39.39 | JManV | bounty just learned you, foo |
| 00:39.43 | Bounty | idk why it does it |
| 00:39.49 | Bounty | >< |
| 00:39.57 | Alpha_vst | whew someone more dumbthan me |
| 00:40.10 | JManV | naw |
| 00:40.16 | JademusSreg | =\ |
| 00:40.19 | JademusSreg | Wakka wakka |
| 00:40.25 | Alpha_vst | :( |
| 00:40.26 | Bounty | there is one downside Jade |
| 00:40.34 | Bounty | sometimes it wont hide it lol |
| 00:40.39 | Bounty | sometimes it will |
| 00:40.39 | Alpha_vst | what |
| 00:40.44 | JManV | oh that's super ghey |
| 00:40.46 | JademusSreg | Well, fuck it, then. I'll do it my way. |
| 00:40.52 | JManV | dude |
| 00:40.57 | Bounty | just do it my way |
| 00:40.59 | JademusSreg | Restart your clients after playing my maps. |
| 00:40.59 | JManV | that will suck if no one on map night has a mouse point |
| 00:41.02 | Bounty | atleast my way ur not locked outo f the game lol |
| 00:41.04 | JManV | we'll all have to leave |
| 00:41.04 | JademusSreg | There. Disclaimer done. |
| 00:41.16 | Bounty | just do it my way |
| 00:41.20 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 00:41.21 | Bounty | so ppl dont have to restart |
| 00:41.27 | Alpha_vst | yeah |
| 00:41.33 | Bounty | and there is only like a 10% chance the mouse cursor will still show |
| 00:41.47 | JManV | that's uber ghet |
| 00:41.52 | Bounty | even if it shows though |
| 00:41.52 | JManV | there's got to be a way around that |
| 00:41.55 | Bounty | it will act as if hidden |
| 00:41.58 | JManV | maybe waiting a fun second? |
| 00:42.07 | JManV | or maybe your script is bugged? |
| 00:42.08 | Alpha_vst | wait 2 seconds |
| 00:42.15 | JManV | fun=full |
| 00:42.21 | JManV | wait 6 minutes! |
| 00:42.28 | JManV | oh wait |
| 00:42.36 | JManV | that defeats the purpose, doesn't it? |
| 00:42.47 | Alpha_vst | 2 seconds is a good time to wait for anything |
| 00:42.55 | JademusSreg | Naw, I refuse to acquiesce. |
| 00:43.23 | JManV | you must! |
| 00:43.24 | JademusSreg | I'll report the bug, hope they fix it. |
| 00:43.37 | JademusSreg | Remember your hotkeys! =D |
| 00:43.37 | JManV | dude, i can't knowingly do that to everyone in map night |
| 00:43.54 | JademusSreg | Anyway, it disappears once you play the next map. |
| 00:43.59 | JademusSreg | Or should I say reappears. |
| 00:44.02 | JManV | it super sucks if i have to leave |
| 00:44.36 | JManV | i'd much rather have a mouse pointer over my carrier 10% of the time |
| 00:44.48 | JManV | but you could prolly fix that |
| 00:44.57 | JademusSreg | Mouse Cursor Races |
| 00:45.04 | JademusSreg | Rename map, game fixed. |
| 00:45.24 | JManV | you're being over dramatic, but i get your point |
| 00:45.52 | JManV | only one player plays as the mouse pointer :) |
| 00:45.59 | JManV | they get a special prize! :P |
| 00:46.11 | JManV | (playing as the mouse pointer IS the prize) |
| 00:46.30 | JademusSreg | Bug? FEATURE. |
| 00:47.05 | JManV | exactly! |
| 00:48.18 | JManV | it doesn't make sense that it wouldn't work 10% of the time tho |
| 00:48.37 | JManV | i turn mouse pointer on and off constantly through my game, and i've never seen it misfire once |
| 00:49.05 | JManV | i suspect that it's one of the two things i said before |
| 00:49.20 | JManV | too early or user error |
| 00:49.32 | JManV | rather, programmer error |
| 00:49.37 | JManV | slightly different :P |
| 00:50.57 | JademusSreg | Well, I did it. |
| 00:51.13 | JademusSreg | I named it Cursor Excrement out of spite. |
| 00:51.45 | JManV | the trigger? |
| 00:52.39 | JademusSreg | The Custom Script, and the functions, yes. |
| 00:53.30 | JManV | don't you mean "CursorExcrement", mr. galaxy script? |
| 00:53.49 | JManV | i don't know why i'm being so mean today :P |
| 00:54.11 | JademusSreg | Naw, I named the Custom Script object Cursor Excrement, and the functions just Excrement. |
| 00:54.30 | JManV | i was jabbing at how script function names can't have spaces |
| 00:54.39 | JademusSreg | Yep. |
| 00:54.55 | JManV | but i can have awesome descriptive names |
| 00:56.06 | JManV | speaking of working on my map... i should actually do that |
| 00:58.15 | Bounty | Does anyone know how to move the default chat box? |
| 00:58.32 | JManV | sc2layout |
| 00:58.42 | JManV | there may be a way in triggers, but i dunno |
| 00:58.43 | Bounty | and den? |
| 01:00.44 | Alpha_vst | check out helrals tutorial and bam |
| 01:01.03 | JademusSreg | I tried some other solutions, to no avail. |
| 01:01.14 | JademusSreg | I'm stuck with this cursor excrement. |
| 01:01.18 | JademusSreg | brb, preparing dinner |
| 01:04.50 | Mexa|Afk | :V |
| 01:04.58 | Mexa|Afk | "The system is shutting down in 20minutes" |
| 01:05.05 | Mexa|Afk | On battle.net eu |
| 01:05.15 | Mexa|Afk | Wonder what they are up to now |
| 01:12.34 | Alpha_vst | lol |
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| 01:13.10 | Mexa|Afk | Motive, movie? Where? |
| 01:14.04 | Alpha_vst | no |
| 01:16.11 | Mexa|Afk | nono? |
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| 01:18.51 | Alpha_vst | no |
| 01:19.12 | Alpha_vst | i cant wait to get this map playable |
| 01:24.34 | Mexa|Afk | what one? |
| 01:33.04 | PsypherLocke | Dialogs are pretty easy |
| 01:36.14 | Alpha_vst | did i miss something |
| 01:36.26 | PsypherLocke | No, just making an observation |
| 01:36.32 | PsypherLocke | made my first one |
| 01:37.44 | JManV | just wing t? |
| 01:40.47 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 01:40.50 | Alpha_vst | i see |
| 01:41.18 | Alpha_vst | go and attach a text tag to a units attachment point... |
| 01:54.39 | Alpha_vst | still waiting on that one... |
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| 02:22.34 | Mexa|Afk | "Win a 1on1 game vs Insane AI" - yay for achievement on StarJewelred. What a misfortune I am not allowed to remove the AI ally I have. |
| 02:22.45 | Mexa|Afk | >_> Way to go |
| 02:23.23 | Mexa|Afk | Aw, I can't even select insane, only medium |
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| 02:25.11 | FockeWulf | Howdy all |
| 02:25.20 | FockeWulf | WW2 Diplo test forming on NA anyone wanna come? |
| 02:33.06 | PsypherLocke | anyone know what the firebats are called in the editor? |
| 02:33.12 | PsypherLocke | trying to create a unit that looks like one |
| 02:33.14 | Bounty | Firebat |
| 02:33.20 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 02:33.34 | Alpha_vst | you have to load the campain |
| 02:33.38 | PsypherLocke | ahh |
| 02:33.54 | Alpha_vst | yeah |
| 02:34.10 | Alpha_vst | its not in multiplayer |
| 02:34.11 | Alpha_vst | :P |
| 02:35.45 | PsypherLocke | easy enough, thanks for the info |
| 02:40.52 | Mexa|Afk | nvm what I said btw |
| 02:41.08 | Alpha_vst | of course |
| 02:43.30 | Mexa|Afk | WTF... the insane AI raped me on StarJewelred |
| 02:43.56 | Alpha_vst | how |
| 02:43.58 | Bounty | WTF... you're playing StarJewled? |
| 02:44.12 | Alpha_vst | duh |
| 02:44.14 | Alpha_vst | its out |
| 02:44.15 | PsypherLocke | it's fun |
| 02:44.21 | PsypherLocke | I like the chef one too |
| 02:44.23 | Bounty | not as fun as |
| 02:44.24 | Bounty | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/project-workplace/20476-release-grav-ball-extreme-hot-potato/#p1 |
| 02:44.32 | Alpha_vst | starjewled is fun |
| 02:44.45 | Alpha_vst | they are polished as fuck though |
| 02:46.55 | Alpha_vst | unlike that grav ball lame map |
| 02:47.02 | Bounty | lol |
| 02:47.56 | Bounty | im sure you've made better >< |
| 02:48.01 | tordy | starjeweLed |
| 02:48.07 | tordy | where's starjeweled anyway |
| 02:48.23 | Bounty | I believe its at the top of the Blizzard List |
| 02:48.37 | Bounty | i say Blizzard list be Blizzard maps have their own list on top of the Popularity list |
| 02:48.42 | Bounty | bc* |
| 02:48.47 | Bounty | >< |
| 02:49.00 | Mexa|Afk | I am an achievement hunter at sometimes, and all the custom blizzard mods have achievements now:> |
| 02:50.55 | Mexa|Afk | Bounty, official song of that one is more catchy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgrGRcjyzVw |
| 02:51.40 | Bounty | lol |
| 02:51.41 | Mexa|Afk | yeah, speaking of your video. |
| 02:52.08 | JademusSreg | pch00000 |
| 02:52.36 | Bounty | i used the version i used bc of this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faQSs6UBDok&feature=related |
| 02:52.40 | Bounty | >< |
| 02:52.44 | Bounty | plus it fits better |
| 02:54.07 | JademusSreg | Apparently this is a creepy game. http://1916.dadiugames.dk/ |
| 02:55.33 | JademusSreg | Also: http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2011/04/wow-players-could-one-day-buy-fair-trade-gold-from-chinese-farms.ars |
| 02:56.00 | JademusSreg | That article reminds me of Cory Doctorow's story, For THe Win. =D |
| 02:56.56 | tordy | wasssup dudes |
| 02:59.06 | Mexa|Afk | Bounty, and, probably not a target for being violative |
| 02:59.21 | Bounty | huh? |
| 02:59.50 | Mexa|Afk | You know... violations? |
| 02:59.59 | Mexa|Afk | the ToA, all that? |
| 03:00.01 | Mexa|Afk | :> |
| 03:00.52 | Mexa|Afk | What I was meaning that it perhaps is less appreciative by the artist to put the official original one, rather than the meme one |
| 03:01.17 | Bounty | Do you know who i am Mexa? lol |
| 03:01.32 | Bounty | That topic is the last thing to bring up with me =P |
| 03:01.44 | Mexa|Afk | I already brought it up with you in the past. |
| 03:01.50 | Mexa|Afk | Tsktsmmt |
| 03:01.53 | Bounty | Then why bother lol |
| 03:01.58 | Bounty | Like i care what the artist thinks >< |
| 03:02.06 | Mexa|Afk | Because you said huh |
| 03:02.09 | Bounty | Its free exposure |
| 03:02.10 | Bounty | >< |
| 03:02.11 | Mexa|Afk | lol |
| 03:02.36 | Mexa|Afk | Depends how you see iy |
| 03:02.38 | Mexa|Afk | *it |
| 03:02.51 | Bounty | I see it realisticly lol |
| 03:03.02 | Mexa|Afk | copyright isn't realism? |
| 03:03.16 | Bounty | do u even need to retype my arguement for this? |
| 03:03.21 | Bounty | my FLAWLESS arguement btw |
| 03:03.24 | Bounty | =P |
| 03:03.28 | Mexa|Afk | lol |
| 03:04.25 | Mexa|Afk | Meh whatever indeed. |
| 03:04.59 | Mexa|Afk | But if I ever made a song, I would sure want to be informed that it was used:> |
| 03:05.09 | Mexa|Afk | And then decide the faith. |
| 03:06.17 | Mexa|Afk | ... meh. I am going to sleep |
| 03:06.19 | Mexa|Afk | Bye |
| 03:09.03 | Mexa|Sleep | Bounty, at least you should have the courtesy to credit the author. |
| 03:12.53 | Alpha_vst | yeah 0.o |
| 03:13.09 | JademusSreg | I'm considering sounds and effects. |
| 03:13.23 | JademusSreg | I may need to make my own audio visuals for my map. |
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| 03:14.20 | Mexa|Sleep | There's plenty of free sites to get good quallity stuff from as well. |
| 03:14.28 | JademusSreg | Naw, not my style. |
| 03:14.52 | JademusSreg | I'd sooner make something in FL or Audition. |
| 03:14.52 | Mexa|Sleep | k then, making your own music would be even better, if you know what you're doing :> |
| 03:15.46 | Alpha_vst | yeah that shits complex :P |
| 03:15.59 | JademusSreg | I'm also considering making my own character texture set for message display purposes. |
| 03:16.41 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 03:16.52 | Alpha_vst | lol i know right |
| 03:16.55 | JademusSreg | Naw, won't work. No Text comparison, which means no name display. |
| 03:16.56 | Alpha_vst | get so into it |
| 03:17.25 | JademusSreg | I'll use a nice dialog instead. |
| 03:17.48 | Bounty | When will you ever release a map Jade |
| 03:17.55 | Bounty | Besides Identifictionary |
| 03:17.56 | Bounty | >< |
| 03:18.15 | JademusSreg | duncare. |
| 03:20.38 | Alpha_vst | hey its an art |
| 03:20.43 | Alpha_vst | dont hate on greatness |
| 03:20.58 | Mexa|Sleep | Jademus, changing the font would work fine. |
| 03:21.20 | Mexa|Sleep | So a character set is still possible |
| 03:21.25 | JademusSreg | How's that sleep thing going? =D |
| 03:21.31 | Alpha_vst | not well |
| 03:21.38 | Mexa|Sleep | It never goes well |
| 03:21.56 | Alpha_vst | making fucking missions for my map sucks :P |
| 03:22.01 | Mexa|Sleep | But I am moving my laptop over to the bed now, so hopefully :) |
| 03:22.35 | Bounty | Why the fuck does the GTX 590 come in the same size box my 52" TV came in |
| 03:22.42 | Bounty | Like, are they serious? |
| 03:22.45 | JademusSreg | My map is nearly playable Bounty, it lacks victory conditions, UI polish, custom camera, and such. |
| 03:23.04 | Bounty | What map are you making atm Jade |
| 03:23.12 | JademusSreg | The map can be played, but it doesn't end at the moment. |
| 03:23.17 | Mexa|Sleep | Maybe they wanted to give some extra styrofoam and manuals and shizzle. |
| 03:23.17 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:23.17 | Alpha_vst | so is my map jade :P |
| 03:23.24 | Bounty | alot of my maps are like that for awhile to Jade >< |
| 03:23.53 | JademusSreg | For small projects like this one, I bust it out and move on. |
| 03:24.02 | JademusSreg | This is day 2. |
| 03:24.14 | Alpha_vst | day 2 |
| 03:24.27 | Bounty | yeah i def prefer small projects |
| 03:24.31 | Bounty | GravBall only took like 2 days |
| 03:24.42 | Bounty | and its really only to showcase the Gravity Gun |
| 03:24.56 | Alpha_vst | :P |
| 03:25.01 | Alpha_vst | i cant do small projects |
| 03:25.02 | Alpha_vst | :( |
| 03:25.08 | JademusSreg | Anyone interested in testing is welcome. I've been working on how it handles round end so a single player is allowed to play by itself. |
| 03:25.11 | Alpha_vst | i add shit and add shit |
| 03:25.13 | Bounty | i can do big projects easy |
| 03:25.14 | Lilianna | I was thinking of making a Gravity gun.. thought that would be fun. :o |
| 03:25.16 | Bounty | but the thing is |
| 03:25.20 | Bounty | i dont finish them >< |
| 03:25.26 | Bounty | Lilianna |
| 03:25.28 | JademusSreg | I'm curious if it has unintended side effects in multiplayer. |
| 03:25.31 | Bounty | the possibilities are endless lol |
| 03:25.34 | Alpha_vst | i keep adding to my project |
| 03:25.37 | Bounty | on what u can do with a Gravity Gun |
| 03:25.41 | Lilianna | I was thinking of doing it in Data. >.> |
| 03:25.50 | Lilianna | And I was thinking like HL2 |
| 03:25.50 | Bounty | have fun >< |
| 03:25.54 | Bounty | 80% of mine is data |
| 03:25.57 | Lilianna | where you can pick up random crap and throw them at people |
| 03:26.02 | Bounty | yeah |
| 03:26.04 | Lilianna | but then I wouldnt have a use for it |
| 03:26.04 | Bounty | thats what mine does lol |
| 03:26.05 | Lilianna | haha |
| 03:26.11 | Bounty | i can pick up any unit |
| 03:26.12 | Bounty | buildings |
| 03:26.15 | Bounty | towers |
| 03:26.15 | Lilianna | I think I'd rather remake Dark Cloud 2 |
| 03:26.16 | Bounty | statues |
| 03:26.17 | Bounty | cows |
| 03:26.19 | Bounty | u name it |
| 03:26.35 | Bounty | and they look like thye are floating |
| 03:26.45 | Bounty | thanks to the Gravity Rocket behavior >< |
| 03:26.48 | Bounty | Rocker* |
| 03:27.17 | Lilianna | hehe |
| 03:27.24 | tordy | gosh |
| 03:27.37 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 03:28.12 | Alpha_vst | http://oi45.tinypic.com/70iziv.jpg WEEEEE |
| 03:28.14 | Lilianna | I got annoyed at the Towers WDE :| |
| 03:28.20 | Alpha_vst | found my old pictures lol |
| 03:28.37 | Bounty | please tell me thats an in game SS |
| 03:28.45 | JademusSreg | Bounty, want to see what I'm doing? |
| 03:28.47 | Alpha_vst | editor but yes |
| 03:28.54 | Bounty | yes i do Jade |
| 03:28.56 | Bounty | you bitch |
| 03:28.58 | Bounty | =P |
| 03:29.05 | Alpha_vst | http://oi45.tinypic.com/axns3l.jpg |
| 03:29.11 | Alpha_vst | thats in game |
| 03:29.28 | Bounty | lol wtf |
| 03:29.36 | *** join/#sc2mapster soultaker_ (18060e53@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.6.14.83) |
| 03:29.39 | Alpha_vst | old ss :P |
| 03:29.41 | Alpha_vst | but yeah |
| 03:30.07 | soultaker_ | so i wanted to know if it posible to change the name of units on a indivual basis |
| 03:30.08 | Bounty | all done with painting textures i assume? |
| 03:30.32 | soultaker_ | Catalog - Set value of Units (String(Civilian (Male))) "CUnit_Name" for player (Triggering player) to (Entered chat string) |
| 03:30.37 | Alpha_vst | custom textures models |
| 03:30.41 | Alpha_vst | i need to update shit |
| 03:30.55 | Alpha_vst | http://www.youtube.com/user/alphavst my old videos :P |
| 03:31.15 | *** join/#sc2mapster Jack[RCDF (~JackRCDF@ip-210-185-13-180.internet.co.nz) |
| 03:31.36 | Bounty | imo scrap the zerg as ur zombies |
| 03:31.39 | soultaker_ | can anyone help me? |
| 03:31.42 | Bounty | if ur gonna do it, do it all lol |
| 03:31.47 | Bounty | make paper zombies >< |
| 03:31.55 | Alpha_vst | im gettign there |
| 03:31.59 | Alpha_vst | polaceholder |
| 03:32.08 | Bounty | good, so sick of zerg being used as zombies |
| 03:32.12 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:32.12 | Alpha_vst | i jsut started working on this shit again this week |
| 03:32.30 | Lilianna | Marauder Zombies! |
| 03:32.33 | JademusSreg | Published. |
| 03:32.47 | Bounty | why didnt u invite me Jade |
| 03:32.50 | Bounty | SHOW MEH |
| 03:33.09 | Alpha_vst | hopefully the fucking modeling tools are more along so i can do more than static models |
| 03:33.23 | Bounty | use 3ds |
| 03:33.25 | Bounty | >< |
| 03:33.38 | Alpha_vst | i was when the beta was happening |
| 03:33.45 | Alpha_vst | and the tool was in beta |
| 03:34.03 | Alpha_vst | and all you could do is make statiuc models :P |
| 03:34.15 | tordy | anyone reemmeber the topic where s3rius explained how text worked? |
| 03:34.15 | Lilianna | you can do animations now I believe. :o |
| 03:34.46 | Alpha_vst | im goign to finish up the tiggers and shit frist :P |
| 03:34.55 | Alpha_vst | then finish the models and redo textures |
| 03:34.58 | Alpha_vst | and blah blah blah |
| 03:36.23 | Alpha_vst | and i ditched my old ui now that you can move shit :P |
| 03:36.26 | Alpha_vst | god |
| 03:36.54 | Alpha_vst | http://tinypic.com/usermedia.php?uo=QnrDhDRffRKHgMBk0cmfsIh4l5k2TGxc that shit was a pain in the ass |
| 03:37.56 | Alpha_vst | and didnt work well :P |
| 03:38.17 | Mexa|Sleep | gosh, I love the idea though |
| 03:38.34 | Mexa|Sleep | That looks too interesting |
| 03:39.12 | Bounty | u know what i should do |
| 03:39.16 | Bounty | make my own textures using paint |
| 03:39.18 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:39.19 | Mexa|Sleep | Will there be crayons:P? |
| 03:39.21 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 03:39.22 | MrOp | EBWUBEEBS |
| 03:39.28 | Bounty | seriously |
| 03:39.33 | Bounty | its so easy to import ground textures lol |
| 03:39.42 | Alpha_vst | no shit |
| 03:39.44 | JademusSreg | You're going to make dds texture in paint? |
| 03:40.00 | Bounty | yeah sure |
| 03:40.06 | Mexa|Sleep | no sure |
| 03:40.07 | Bounty | dude u can turn anything into a texture |
| 03:40.20 | Bounty | just replace the texture used by one of the in game textures |
| 03:40.24 | Bounty | with a picture |
| 03:40.30 | Bounty | and that picture is the new texture lol |
| 03:40.38 | Mexa|Sleep | paint has the most suckass compression methods ever |
| 03:40.48 | Mexa|Sleep | It will give artifacts in the game |
| 03:40.51 | JademusSreg | Anyway, I update yaw 32 times per game second. I can't be sure it changes that often, but that's how often I update. |
| 03:40.54 | Bounty | really man? |
| 03:40.54 | Bounty | see |
| 03:41.00 | Bounty | thats what is wrong with this irc lol |
| 03:41.03 | Bounty | i go |
| 03:41.12 | Bounty | "IMA MAKE TEXTURES IN PAINT LOLOL" |
| 03:41.20 | Bounty | and the reaction from irc is |
| 03:41.30 | Bounty | "OFMG PAINT COMPRESSION METHOD IS SUCK" |
| 03:41.35 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:41.36 | Alpha_vst | it is |
| 03:41.37 | Bounty | like im being serious |
| 03:41.48 | Bounty | i just thought it would be funny >< |
| 03:41.51 | Bounty | to actually do it |
| 03:41.56 | Mexa|Sleep | Then you obviously made it in the same fascion as Vexal does. |
| 03:41.57 | Bounty | Jade |
| 03:42.02 | Mexa|Sleep | Which I never understands. |
| 03:42.02 | Bounty | that exactly what i do |
| 03:42.12 | Mexa|Sleep | .__ |
| 03:42.32 | JademusSreg | How would you make a dds texture in paint though? Run a BMP through a convertor? |
| 03:42.36 | Alpha_vst | 32 times is a lottry 16 :P |
| 03:42.45 | Bounty | Infranview |
| 03:42.45 | Alpha_vst | you would have to jade :P |
| 03:42.50 | Bounty | save it in paint |
| 03:42.52 | Bounty | as jpg |
| 03:42.53 | Mexa|Sleep | or photoshop |
| 03:42.54 | JademusSreg | Also, how would you handle alpha channels in paint? |
| 03:42.55 | *** join/#sc2mapster Maul (~Tom@CPE-124-183-73-133.lns13.ken.bigpond.net.au) |
| 03:42.59 | Bounty | and convert it in Infranview |
| 03:43.01 | Bounty | or photoshop |
| 03:43.07 | Alpha_vst | you wouldnt |
| 03:43.08 | Bounty | ok just stop it |
| 03:43.08 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 03:43.13 | Mexa|Sleep | haha |
| 03:43.14 | Bounty | this is out of hand lol |
| 03:43.19 | Bounty | fucking alpha channels? |
| 03:43.23 | Bounty | i dont know wtf that is |
| 03:43.26 | Bounty | forget i said anything |
| 03:43.30 | Bounty | Joke = Failed |
| 03:43.31 | JademusSreg | Wakka wakka |
| 03:43.31 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 03:43.34 | Alpha_vst | haha |
| 03:43.36 | Mexa|Sleep | xD |
| 03:43.46 | JademusSreg | Even MSPA uis done in Photoshop. |
| 03:44.20 | Mexa|Sleep | paint adventures? |
| 03:44.30 | Mexa|Sleep | How ironic:P |
| 03:45.24 | JademusSreg | Anyway, I think it probably only updates yaw 16 times per second, but I can't be sure, because I don't care to check. |
| 03:45.31 | Mexa|Sleep | ... damnit, a new dawn has risen |
| 03:45.34 | JManV | hmmm |
| 03:45.42 | Mexa|Sleep | Later people, I should attempt sleeping harder now |
| 03:45.43 | JManV | i just thought of something interesting |
| 03:46.04 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 03:46.14 | JManV | instead of using variables to store my trainers, i could theoretically use a build ability |
| 03:46.32 | JManV | and dig the build array for unit data |
| 03:47.14 | JManV | i'm not sure how i feel about that |
| 03:48.08 | Alpha_vst | 0.o |
| 03:48.27 | JManV | hmmm... but i need the 4 moves for each unit |
| 03:48.37 | tordy | hi Bounty |
| 03:48.52 | Mexa|Sleep | it would be slower to look the catalog fields up |
| 03:49.03 | JManV | i only need to look them up once |
| 03:49.11 | Bounty | Hi tordy |
| 03:49.13 | JManV | well, once per encounter i guess |
| 03:49.18 | Mexa|Sleep | right |
| 03:49.19 | *** join/#sc2mapster Vexal (81740a3b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.129.116.10.59) |
| 03:49.30 | JManV | which is like max 16/minute for all players |
| 03:49.47 | Mexa|Sleep | Interesting idea. |
| 03:49.51 | JManV | and it's much easier to initialize things in data |
| 03:50.11 | JManV | unfortunately, we can't make custom data structures or add fields |
| 03:50.15 | Bounty | btw Jademussreg do you like my thread for Gravball lol |
| 03:50.19 | Mexa|Sleep | But with data it would create unneccessary values never used |
| 03:50.21 | Bounty | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/project-workplace/20476-release-grav-ball-extreme-hot-potato/#p3 |
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| 03:50.31 | JManV | but i don't know where i could store the moves |
| 03:50.34 | Bounty | See if you can spot the joke =P |
| 03:50.52 | Vexal | hello. |
| 03:50.52 | Alpha_vst | what joke |
| 03:51.01 | JManV | i could just always take the last 4 moves for that warrior |
| 03:51.05 | Bounty | Jademus will get it |
| 03:51.08 | Vexal | is it true that triggers' events still generate network traffic even if the trigger is turned off? |
| 03:51.30 | JManV | it starts feeling awkward after a bit |
| 03:51.42 | JademusSreg | I think it does, Vexal, but it's difficult to test such a thing. |
| 03:51.46 | Bounty | i hope thats not true vexal lol |
| 03:51.51 | Bounty | that doesnt make sense |
| 03:51.53 | Bounty | if its turned off |
| 03:51.56 | Alpha_vst | god i hope not |
| 03:51.56 | Bounty | why would it do anything |
| 03:51.58 | Vexal | someone told me there's just a boolean "if trigger is off, return" |
| 03:52.04 | JademusSreg | U have only anecdotal evidence that it is the case. |
| 03:52.05 | Vexal | but it still has to fire the event |
| 03:52.13 | JademusSreg | *I |
| 03:52.15 | Alpha_vst | im glad so glad |
| 03:52.17 | Vexal | jademussreg i was hoping someone could test it |
| 03:52.25 | Alpha_vst | i only use each event once |
| 03:52.56 | Alpha_vst | everything is looped weee |
| 03:52.59 | JManV | i use "dialog item used" like 16 times. i prolly shouldn't |
| 03:53.05 | Vexal | well, i turn off "unit is attacked" triggers unless their specifically in use |
| 03:53.09 | JademusSreg | I'm not sure how one would go about testing such a thing to be honest. |
| 03:53.12 | Vexal | but i need to redo everything if the events trigger anyway |
| 03:53.24 | Vexal | the same goes for mouse detection |
| 03:53.33 | Vexal | i turn it off unless the player holds a button down |
| 03:53.54 | Alpha_vst | that makes sense but then it doesnt |
| 03:54.08 | Alpha_vst | your still calling that the button is down or not |
| 03:54.18 | Alpha_vst | to turn it off |
| 03:54.21 | Alpha_vst | or on |
| 03:54.42 | Alpha_vst | which sorta defeats the purpose :P |
| 03:54.52 | JademusSreg | I operate under the assumption that disabled input event triggers still generate network traffic, because my experience causes me to believe this is the case. I cannot be certain without data though. |
| 03:55.22 | JademusSreg | As such, I use as few input triggers as possible, demonstrated in my Input script |
| 03:55.24 | Mexa|Sleep | whayt experience? jass? |
| 03:55.32 | JademusSreg | (and the GUI version). |
| 03:55.39 | Vexal | alpha, i mean, i only need to detect mouse movement if the button is held down |
| 03:55.47 | JademusSreg | My experience developing Identificationary, MExa. |
| 03:55.54 | Mexa|Sleep | oh |
| 03:55.58 | JademusSreg | My only publically available map. |
| 03:56.07 | Alpha_vst | but vexal how do you tell if the button is held down? |
| 03:56.09 | Mexa|Sleep | Not on eu it isn't :< |
| 03:56.13 | JademusSreg | It is,. |
| 03:56.18 | Bounty | No maps are on EU |
| 03:56.18 | Mexa|Sleep | Okay |
| 03:56.20 | Bounty | >< |
| 03:56.20 | Mexa|Sleep | Really? |
| 03:56.22 | JademusSreg | I have a friend there who publishes for me. |
| 03:56.27 | Mexa|Sleep | Bounty, MineralZ is on eu |
| 03:56.30 | Mexa|Sleep | And it sure is fun |
| 03:56.38 | Alpha_vst | eu is lame |
| 03:56.40 | Bounty | No maps are on EU |
| 03:56.43 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:56.45 | Mexa|Sleep | Lies |
| 03:57.08 | Mexa|Sleep | Silly americans : |
| 03:57.10 | Mexa|Sleep | *: |
| 03:57.15 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 03:57.16 | Mexa|Sleep | .. *:| |
| 03:57.25 | Bounty | You could have just said Americans |
| 03:57.28 | Bounty | and we would have got it |
| 03:57.31 | Bounty | >< |
| 03:57.49 | Mexa|Sleep | Then I guess it didn't matter if I added silly or not |
| 03:57.59 | Vexal | alpha_vst i use an event "button clicked" which turns on the event "mouse moved" |
| 03:58.01 | Bounty | Yeah, thats exactly what i just said lol |
| 03:58.19 | Bounty | btw im calling it now |
| 03:58.22 | Bounty | GravBall |
| 03:58.23 | Mexa|Sleep | Yeahyeah |
| 03:58.23 | Bounty | will be |
| 03:58.29 | Bounty | the next big thing in HPM's |
| 03:58.40 | Alpha_vst | HPM? |
| 03:58.45 | Bounty | Hot Potato Maps |
| 03:58.58 | Mexa|Sleep | Bounty, I added silly because I wanted to, even though it didn't matter for everyone else. Happy:P? |
| 03:59.01 | Bounty | Its a dieng genre, but im bringing it back |
| 03:59.19 | JManV | that's optimistic |
| 03:59.23 | Bounty | But now that Hot Potato is done |
| 03:59.29 | Bounty | What should i use the Gravity Gun for now |
| 03:59.30 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:59.44 | Bounty | FEEEED MEEHHH! |
| 04:00.11 | Alpha_vst | um fps? |
| 04:00.13 | Alpha_vst | do it |
| 04:00.13 | Mexa|Sleep | tower wars? |
| 04:00.30 | Bounty | ive alrdy thought about that Alpha |
| 04:00.32 | Alpha_vst | add portals to it |
| 04:00.36 | Alpha_vst | and you gto a winner |
| 04:00.39 | Bounty | and fps where ur only weapon is the environment |
| 04:00.42 | Bounty | an fps* |
| 04:00.46 | Bounty | pick up walls |
| 04:00.47 | Bounty | cows |
| 04:00.50 | Bounty | n throw them at ppl |
| 04:00.51 | Bounty | lol |
| 04:01.01 | Bounty | fps wouldnt work though |
| 04:01.03 | Mexa|Sleep | Alpha, would lack a reflection:p |
| 04:01.03 | Bounty | would have to be top down |
| 04:01.15 | Alpha_vst | fuck that make it work |
| 04:01.16 | Mexa|Sleep | Also screw me... Goodnight |
| 04:01.21 | Bounty | dont want a cow your holding to get in the way of your aim |
| 04:01.47 | Mexa|Sleep | Wasn't really an issue in portal, so why would it be here? |
| 04:01.51 | Alpha_vst | make it see through |
| 04:01.56 | Alpha_vst | duh |
| 04:02.04 | tordy | im a magi! |
| 04:02.08 | Bounty | You dont think that would look silly? |
| 04:02.15 | Bounty | Because it would have to look see through for EVERYONE |
| 04:02.19 | Bounty | even if your not holding it |
| 04:02.36 | Mexa|Sleep | Fine, I am off now |
| 04:02.36 | Alpha_vst | no |
| 04:02.37 | Mexa|Sleep | Later |
| 04:02.42 | Mexa|Sleep | Last word. |
| 04:02.43 | Mexa|Sleep | <.< |
| 04:02.50 | Bounty | ~seen Mexa |
| 04:02.52 | purl | mexa <504ed88b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.78.216.139> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 4h 6m 24s ago, saying: 'Forgot what he did to solve it though.'. |
| 04:03.11 | Bounty | hmm |
| 04:03.16 | Bounty | thats not right |
| 04:03.17 | Bounty | lol |
| 04:03.28 | Bounty | ~whois mexa |
| 04:03.37 | Bounty | ~whois JManV |
| 04:03.45 | Bounty | ~whois Jesus |
| 04:03.45 | purl | somebody said jesus was cool, or apparently now EMACS (see emacs) |
| 04:03.52 | JManV | moving back map night an hour |
| 04:04.02 | Bounty | ASDFIHSDFSH |
| 04:04.04 | Bounty | WHYY! |
| 04:04.08 | JManV | for west coasters |
| 04:04.15 | JManV | and because i'm going to a ball game tomorrow |
| 04:04.56 | Bounty | a Gravball game? |
| 04:05.05 | JademusSreg | What's a ball game? =D |
| 04:05.06 | JManV | no |
| 04:05.13 | tordy | hi JManV |
| 04:05.13 | Alpha_vst | wtf is map night |
| 04:05.20 | JademusSreg | Tomorrow. |
| 04:05.20 | JManV | a blitzball game |
| 04:05.21 | QueenGambit | im going to a Gravball game and dance to that corny folk song =) |
| 04:05.22 | Bounty | a night of maps |
| 04:05.25 | Mexa|Sleep | Bounty, because my identity is Mexa|Sleep right now |
| 04:05.29 | JademusSreg | Today for my time zone. |
| 04:05.33 | Mexa|Sleep | But fuu me, so later |
| 04:06.01 | Bounty | Mexa|JFHIUshjkd |
| 04:06.04 | JademusSreg | So I fixed the cursor thing with minimal noticable issue. |
| 04:06.06 | Bounty | lol |
| 04:06.13 | QueenGambit | beep |
| 04:06.14 | QueenGambit | Mexa|JFHIUshjkd |
| 04:06.24 | JademusSreg | I still need to see if it works correctly after a bnet game, though. |
| 04:06.28 | Mexa|JFHIUshjkd | shh |
| 04:06.34 | JademusSreg | Jman, Bounty, are you in? |
| 04:06.37 | Bounty | Ah, i remember the night i beeped the entire IRC with one message |
| 04:06.46 | Bounty | Epic rage |
| 04:06.55 | Mexa|JFHIUshjkd | lol, how? |
| 04:07.02 | Mexa|JFHIUshjkd | copypasta? |
| 04:07.06 | Bounty | i just typed everyones name |
| 04:07.06 | JManV | sup |
| 04:07.11 | Bounty | lol |
| 04:07.15 | Bounty | best part was |
| 04:07.16 | Mexa|JFHIUshjkd | Must have taken a while. |
| 04:07.22 | Bounty | about 100 people that got pissed |
| 04:07.26 | Bounty | were ppl that never say shit |
| 04:07.28 | Bounty | ever |
| 04:07.32 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 04:07.32 | Bounty | but they learned to talk |
| 04:07.35 | *** join/#sc2mapster MaxMode (~Adium@ip184-187-175-87.sb.sd.cox.net) |
| 04:07.38 | Mexa|JFHIUshjkd | heh |
| 04:07.44 | Bounty | watch |
| 04:07.47 | Bounty | lets pick someone |
| 04:07.48 | Mexa|JFHIUshjkd | Now I go, durrdurr |
| 04:07.54 | Jack[RCDF | Me pick me |
| 04:07.56 | Bounty | let ssee |
| 04:08.00 | Bounty | Gohla |
| 04:08.02 | Bounty | GOHLA |
| 04:08.07 | tordy | Bounty GOYA |
| 04:08.07 | Bounty | HEY DUDe |
| 04:08.13 | Bounty | GOHLA |
| 04:08.19 | Bounty | ok i guess hes actually dead |
| 04:08.20 | tordy | bounty |
| 04:08.24 | tordy | do you know how to increase rotation speed |
| 04:08.29 | tordy | of a unit |
| 04:08.31 | Bounty | yeah |
| 04:08.33 | tordy | through behavior or upgrade |
| 04:08.37 | Bounty | no |
| 04:08.39 | Bounty | lol |
| 04:08.40 | tordy | :( |
| 04:08.42 | tordy | >:( |
| 04:08.48 | Jack[RCDF | XAPTI |
| 04:08.54 | Jack[RCDF | HEY XAPTI |
| 04:09.07 | Jack[RCDF | Am I doing it right? |
| 04:09.10 | Bounty | AIRTONIX |
| 04:09.20 | Jack[RCDF | AIRTONIX MY MAN |
| 04:09.21 | Bounty | deathnight114 |
| 04:09.26 | Bounty | lol |
| 04:09.33 | airtonix | i will destroy you |
| 04:09.38 | JademusSreg | Tordy, if there isn't a field for it in the Modification section, I doubt it can be done directly. |
| 04:09.43 | Jack[RCDF | HOW ARE YOU BUDDY |
| 04:09.43 | Bounty | =P |
| 04:09.59 | JademusSreg | Time scale probably works, but it will modify other properties as well, which sucks. |
| 04:09.59 | Jack[RCDF | Long time no see. Like, ever. |
| 04:10.34 | Mexa|JFHIUshjkd | Yay, new mythbusters episode. This will definitly have me gone |
| 04:10.37 | Mexa|JFHIUshjkd | Seeya:) |
| 04:10.38 | JademusSreg | I'd suggest, if you really, really need to change turn rate, to morph the unit. |
| 04:10.41 | Bounty | wait what |
| 04:10.46 | Bounty | new mythbusters? |
| 04:10.58 | Mexa|JFHIUshjkd | yep |
| 04:11.03 | Bounty | what is it about |
| 04:11.04 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 04:11.18 | Mexa|JFHIUshjkd | I will not tell you when I come back |
| 04:11.31 | Jack[RCDF | Who cares, live promatches is where it's ay |
| 04:11.32 | JademusSreg | Makes sure the unit's group related data have it belong to the same subgroups as the base unit. |
| 04:11.34 | Jack[RCDF | at |
| 04:12.22 | Mexa|JFHIUshjkd | Bounty, the only thing I know is the title: "Mission Impossible Mask" |
| 04:12.26 | Mexa|JFHIUshjkd | But later |
| 04:12.30 | Mexa|JFHIUshjkd | forever and ever and ever |
| 04:12.30 | JademusSreg | So who will assist me in this test? |
| 04:12.41 | Bounty | regardless |
| 04:12.44 | Bounty | its not on |
| 04:12.45 | Bounty | where i am |
| 04:12.45 | Bounty | lol |
| 04:12.51 | Bounty | stupid ass American Chopper is on |
| 04:12.57 | Bounty | ill help JAde |
| 04:13.01 | Bounty | what r u testing |
| 04:13.16 | JademusSreg | Same thing, only have it not pop errors. |
| 04:13.25 | JademusSreg | Also, make sure the cursor comes back post game. |
| 04:13.59 | JademusSreg | It does in test document, but I want to be certain it works on bnet as well. |
| 04:14.22 | Bounty | my cursor didnt vanish |
| 04:14.28 | Bounty | when i left |
| 04:15.40 | JademusSreg | Inviting. |
| 04:15.59 | JademusSreg | Anyone else want to see what's in the mystery box? |
| 04:16.59 | Motive | Mystery box? |
| 04:17.02 | Motive | An orange |
| 04:17.04 | Motive | Do I win? |
| 04:17.21 | JademusSreg | It could even be a boat! |
| 04:17.32 | Motive | IS IT AN ORANGE? |
| 04:17.41 | JademusSreg | Test and see! |
| 04:18.18 | Motive | Lol ok. Motive 866 |
| 04:18.55 | JademusSreg | Bounty, are you afking yourself to death? |
| 04:19.05 | Bounty | oh shit |
| 04:19.05 | Bounty | sry |
| 04:19.07 | Bounty | reinvite |
| 04:19.07 | Bounty | lol |
| 04:19.38 | tordy | Bounty I NEED |
| 04:19.40 | tordy | food! |
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| 04:22.22 | Alpha_vst | man i need to come up with some moe missions |
| 04:22.25 | Alpha_vst | haha |
| 04:22.38 | Alpha_vst | killing shit isnt much of a mission :D |
| 04:26.28 | Motive | @Jademus: scoreboard worked :P |
| 04:26.35 | nolliepoper | How is everyone, I am a bit tired of coding. |
| 04:26.37 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 04:27.01 | nolliepoper | Slow and painful matrix arrays and dialog locations. |
| 04:27.09 | JademusSreg | This map should be playable tomorrow. |
| 04:27.14 | nolliepoper | What is that? |
| 04:27.18 | Motive | Time to update PhantomCraft, I think. :) |
| 04:27.32 | JademusSreg | Still needs victory game attributes and victory conditions, and polish. |
| 04:27.42 | JademusSreg | But the core seems to be in good shape. |
| 04:28.11 | JademusSreg | But I can borrow code from Id for that. |
| 04:28.12 | nolliepoper | Is phantomcraft phantommode? |
| 04:28.14 | nolliepoper | that game |
| 04:28.21 | nolliepoper | with the bsing |
| 04:28.35 | JademusSreg | Also, what do you guys think of the camera? I want feedback on that especially. |
| 04:28.48 | Alpha_vst | the camera sucks |
| 04:28.49 | Motive | I liked the camera |
| 04:29.16 | Alpha_vst | :D |
| 04:29.50 | JademusSreg | So far I have +1 and -1 on the camera. |
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| 04:29.50 | Bounty | Hope we play GravBall on map night! |
| 04:30.06 | nolliepoper | Does anyone prefere switches instead of if statements clusters? |
| 04:30.09 | Alpha_vst | i didnt even play the map noob |
| 04:30.29 | nolliepoper | I been using switches lately and they seem good. |
| 04:30.41 | JademusSreg | Galaxy doesn't have switches; GUI switches are just generate if else ladders. |
| 04:30.51 | nolliepoper | They seem to fit perfectly for what I am doing. |
| 04:30.53 | JademusSreg | So use what works best for ya. |
| 04:31.07 | JademusSreg | Internally, it is literally the same. |
| 04:31.09 | Bounty | anyone here play Dawn of War 2? |
| 04:31.12 | Bounty | im thinking about picking it up |
| 04:31.14 | JademusSreg | Yes, Bounty. |
| 04:31.18 | Bounty | how is it? |
| 04:31.20 | nolliepoper | Switches are fast to code. |
| 04:31.23 | JademusSreg | It is faster than DoW1. |
| 04:31.35 | Bounty | like is there sh*t loads of loot |
| 04:31.36 | JademusSreg | DoW1 was slow as shit. |
| 04:31.42 | nolliepoper | what is DoW1 |
| 04:31.47 | JademusSreg | Dawn of War 1. |
| 04:31.53 | nolliepoper | o lol idk |
| 04:32.05 | nolliepoper | I'm talking about efficient coding. |
| 04:32.05 | Bounty | is it worth 60 bucks? |
| 04:32.06 | JademusSreg | There is loot, Bounty, yes. |
| 04:32.13 | Bounty | for DoW2 + both expansions |
| 04:32.18 | nolliepoper | I try to avoid too many conditional checks with proper array use |
| 04:32.20 | Bounty | yeah but is there alot of loot |
| 04:32.24 | JademusSreg | 60 for all three? |
| 04:32.26 | JademusSreg | Good deal. |
| 04:32.28 | Bounty | yeah |
| 04:32.57 | nolliepoper | I've seen people make maps out of pure triggers, and they avoid custom actions, functions and conditions. |
| 04:33.06 | Bounty | <------------------- |
| 04:33.10 | nolliepoper | Not really my style. |
| 04:33.20 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 04:33.32 | Bounty | ppl shit their pants when they see what i do with only triggers |
| 04:33.32 | Alpha_vst | you dont want to see my map 0.o |
| 04:33.37 | Bounty | either in anger |
| 04:33.41 | Bounty | or disbelief |
| 04:33.41 | nolliepoper | If I use a trigger to run 2 actions back to back, in what order does the code inside those actions run? |
| 04:33.55 | Alpha_vst | top to bottom |
| 04:34.07 | JademusSreg | DoW2 deemphasizes base management and economy, focusing instead on leveraging the greatest tactical value from a handful of squads. |
| 04:34.08 | nolliepoper | Bounty you don't use actions? |
| 04:34.43 | Bounty | i want an RPG Jademus |
| 04:34.45 | Bounty | will i like it |
| 04:34.56 | JademusSreg | Dunno what you will like. |
| 04:35.00 | Bounty | like a starcraft rpg would be co ol |
| 04:35.03 | Alpha_vst | http://oi48.tinypic.com/v3k4dv.jpg <--- my old list |
| 04:35.03 | Bounty | is that pretty much what it is |
| 04:35.06 | JademusSreg | It's not an RPG, though. |
| 04:35.10 | Alpha_vst | its bigger nwo though |
| 04:35.17 | Bounty | the demo looked like one lol |
| 04:35.18 | Bounty | u level up |
| 04:35.22 | Bounty | equip drops |
| 04:35.22 | JademusSreg | It has RPG like elements the same way WC3 could be said to have RPG like elements. |
| 04:35.25 | Bounty | do stats |
| 04:35.36 | Bounty | i thought it was pretty in depth though? |
| 04:35.41 | Bounty | rpg element wise |
| 04:36.43 | Alpha_vst | I have over 100 global variables alone :( |
| 04:36.51 | Alpha_vst | fuckign randomness |
| 04:36.54 | Alpha_vst | I HATE YOU!!!!! |
| 04:37.26 | JademusSreg | Motive, what are you updating in PhantomModeCraftWarBattleMap? |
| 04:37.35 | Motive | Fixed a bug or two and I'm making it 12-player |
| 04:37.37 | Motive | to further distinguish it |
| 04:37.43 | Motive | New terrain, etc |
| 04:37.54 | JademusSreg | Ah yes. I'd love new terrain. |
| 04:38.04 | Motive | I'd like your thoughts on this one in maybe a bit |
| 04:38.08 | JademusSreg | Sure. |
| 04:38.10 | Alpha_vst | Sexy |
| 04:38.25 | JademusSreg | And maybe eventually I'll bug you enough to make a Scribblenauts inspired map. |
| 04:38.36 | Motive | :P |
| 04:38.37 | Alpha_vst | anyone have any ideas for missions :P besides kill shit and score points? |
| 04:38.38 | JademusSreg | It's easy to get for a DS emulator, if you don't have a DS. |
| 04:38.58 | JademusSreg | Alph, depends on your game mechanics. |
| 04:39.26 | Alpha_vst | yeah haha |
| 04:39.49 | Alpha_vst | its a survival control defend map :P |
| 04:40.05 | Alpha_vst | im trying to make the missions give directions |
| 04:40.12 | Alpha_vst | so players dont feel so lost |
| 04:40.15 | Alpha_vst | :P |
| 04:40.29 | JademusSreg | I'd divide each mission conceptually into a number of sequences, each sequence has its own gameplay objective, which fit within the context of the mission objective. |
| 04:41.01 | JademusSreg | For example, mid to late game Armored Core missions consist of 2 - 4 sequences. |
| 04:41.14 | Alpha_vst | the whole sequence thing sounds interesting |
| 04:41.15 | JademusSreg | Where what you need to accomplish changes. |
| 04:42.20 | Alpha_vst | I should match up the main missions with to the submissions but even then hmm |
| 04:42.44 | Alpha_vst | no matter what if the zombies die you win cant get around that |
| 04:43.16 | JademusSreg | Each sequence then can be categorized with regards to the relationships between 3 elemts, the player character, allies, and enemiers, and how they behave. |
| 04:43.52 | Alpha_vst | i like you your helpfull |
| 04:44.03 | JademusSreg | If I say "escort mission", for example, you automatically know the relationships in that situation. |
| 04:44.33 | Alpha_vst | escort missions are kinda not possible but yeah :D |
| 04:44.49 | Alpha_vst | hmmm |
| 04:45.06 | JademusSreg | Just an example of what I mean by relationships. |
| 04:45.39 | Alpha_vst | yeah i know |
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| 04:46.06 | Alpha_vst | have a bloody screencap with ugly ui thats no longer in game while i think.... http://oi45.tinypic.com/x40x7l.jpg |
| 04:46.37 | DarkRevenant | if only you could implement shaders |
| 04:46.43 | DarkRevenant | a cell shader would be cool |
| 04:47.05 | Alpha_vst | fuck me |
| 04:47.35 | Motive | Lol. Alright, Jademus, want to take a quick peek? :P |
| 04:47.45 | JademusSreg | In just 5 minutes, yes. |
| 04:47.48 | Motive | k |
| 04:47.53 | JademusSreg | I need to lay my daughter in bed. |
| 04:47.54 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 04:48.01 | soultaker_ | jade |
| 04:50.16 | soultaker_ | i want my guardian shield to stop/negate all dmg and attacks that pass over my jumbo sized guardian shield |
| 04:50.43 | soultaker_ | i also want my jumbo sized guardian shield to act like tall grass and block vision from those on the other side |
| 04:50.58 | Alpha_vst | that would be awesome |
| 04:51.11 | Alpha_vst | the vision thing |
| 04:51.28 | soultaker_ | yes |
| 04:51.37 | soultaker_ | im trying to make a mock warp bubble |
| 04:51.40 | JademusSreg | Both can be done. |
| 04:51.51 | JademusSreg | The latter will require triggers. |
| 04:51.55 | soultaker_ | can u show me how plz? |
| 04:52.00 | soultaker_ | ok |
| 04:52.03 | soultaker_ | well the trigger |
| 04:52.03 | Alpha_vst | yeah im sure of that |
| 04:52.10 | soultaker_ | i could probably figure out |
| 04:52.24 | JademusSreg | The former just needs the buff to reduce damage from each of the 4 tupes to 0. |
| 04:52.28 | soultaker_ | but thenegateing ov all weapons fire crossing the buble? |
| 04:52.58 | JademusSreg | The latter involved moving a unit with a custom footprint periodically to the position of the unit using guardian shield. |
| 04:53.33 | soultaker_ | we talking about vision or weapon fire? |
| 04:54.22 | JademusSreg | All damage can be negated by the buff the guardian shield applies to units in its search effect area. |
| 04:55.37 | JademusSreg | For instance, go to the buff's Combat - Damage Response Field. |
| 04:55.37 | DarkRevenant | lol what |
| 04:55.40 | DarkRevenant | i didnt even advertise mafia |
| 04:55.43 | DarkRevenant | and its on page 3 of custom |
| 04:55.48 | soultaker_ | ya i set everything -99 dmg? |
| 04:55.49 | DarkRevenant | and got people in channel |
| 04:56.06 | Bounty | watch out rev |
| 04:56.07 | Motive | So |
| 04:56.10 | JademusSreg | Find Kind, and set each of the values in Damage Response Kind to Enabled. |
| 04:56.13 | Bounty | my new map will be replacing your map on page 3 |
| 04:56.19 | Bounty | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5aLQo_AYNk&feature=player_embedded |
| 04:56.21 | JademusSreg | And Set Modify Fraction to, say, 0. |
| 04:56.21 | Motive | if I begged and pleaded, could I get 11 NA players from SC2Mapster to test my map? :P |
| 04:57.26 | JademusSreg | Occluding vision is trickier, because you need to detect when it is activated, create a unit with a custom footprint that blocks vision, move it periodically with the caster, and destroy it when guardian shield ends. |
| 04:57.34 | JademusSreg | Motive, you know I'm game. |
| 04:57.43 | soultaker_ | shouldnt modify fraction be 100? |
| 04:57.56 | Motive | haha |
| 04:57.59 | JademusSreg | Fraction is not a percent. |
| 04:58.06 | JademusSreg | It is a fraction. |
| 04:58.07 | JademusSreg | 1/1 |
| 04:58.07 | Motive | alright, just lemme know when you're not too busy. I just have to make sure everything works now on the new map |
| 04:58.12 | Motive | don't think I'll ever find enough for a serious game xD |
| 04:58.30 | JademusSreg | I'm ready, too. |
| 04:58.30 | soultaker_ | oh |
| 04:58.33 | soultaker_ | i got it |
| 04:58.39 | Motive | Hop on then :P |
| 04:58.52 | soultaker_ | oh i guess ima be put on hold? |
| 04:58.57 | soultaker_ | motive ur soo mena |
| 04:59.00 | soultaker_ | mean |
| 04:59.04 | Motive | it'll only take a min :P |
| 04:59.14 | soultaker_ | onyl if u let me kiss ur lips |
| 04:59.16 | soultaker_ | XD |
| 04:59.22 | soultaker_ | ur never goign to hear the end of it |
| 04:59.28 | soultaker_ | haha |
| 05:05.11 | soultaker_ | jade when u get back, i only want to mess with the barrier of the guardian shield not the area within it. i want the edge of the guardian shield to act like tall grass and i dont want units to be able to shoot over the guardian shield barrier but be able to fight withi |
| 05:05.19 | soultaker_ | within the shield |
| 05:05.59 | soultaker_ | its a barrier that only lets matter pass through not light or energy |
| 05:06.53 | Alpha_vst | thats a little hard :P |
| 05:09.42 | soultaker_ | i know |
| 05:09.45 | soultaker_ | but i want it |
| 05:09.46 | soultaker_ | XD |
| 05:12.42 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 05:12.45 | JademusSreg | My mistake. |
| 05:13.50 | JademusSreg | There is no complete way, but you can use a bunch of work arounds. |
| 05:14.06 | soultaker_ | ok |
| 05:14.09 | soultaker_ | im listening |
| 05:14.28 | JademusSreg | For instance, if you make every ability you want blocked by the shield use a missile, you can kill the missile when it enters the region, or exits the region. |
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| 05:15.29 | soultaker_ | well |
| 05:15.53 | soultaker_ | missles wont be used much but i want fighting to occure naturaly within the shield |
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| 05:16.05 | JademusSreg | This obviously won't work if you don't use missiles, though. For anything else, you need to detect the ability being cast, check if it passes the event horizon (=D), and then modify the unit's damage fraction to 0. |
| 05:16.07 | soultaker_ | remember the shield i ahve in mind will take up 1/6th of a huge map |
| 05:16.23 | soultaker_ | hm... |
| 05:16.45 | soultaker_ | i would do that in the search area right? |
| 05:17.04 | JademusSreg | Naw, both of these will require triggers. |
| 05:17.20 | soultaker_ | how would i calculate the search region? |
| 05:17.24 | JademusSreg | Is this unit immobile? |
| 05:17.32 | soultaker_ | well.... |
| 05:17.38 | soultaker_ | its placed by a player |
| 05:17.43 | soultaker_ | then becomes inmoble |
| 05:18.01 | JademusSreg | If so, that simplifies the trigger needed to create the vision blockers. |
| 05:18.24 | soultaker_ | i was lookign at the actions |
| 05:18.29 | JademusSreg | Instead, apply individual blockers in a circle around it when the ability is used, kill them when the unit dies, easy. |
| 05:18.38 | soultaker_ | how would i make a vision block at the barrier? |
| 05:18.54 | soultaker_ | ah i c |
| 05:19.00 | soultaker_ | how do i remove weapon fire? |
| 05:19.02 | JademusSreg | By creating units with a vision blocking footprint in a circle via trigger. |
| 05:19.16 | soultaker_ | ah |
| 05:19.36 | JademusSreg | I already explained weapon fire. |
| 05:19.37 | soultaker_ | how do i remove the weapn fire for regular lazers? |
| 05:19.47 | soultaker_ | but what action |
| 05:19.47 | JademusSreg | Lasers? |
| 05:19.49 | soultaker_ | would that be |
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| 05:19.58 | Dogmai | helral |
| 05:20.15 | Dogmai | ~seen helral |
| 05:20.21 | purl | helral is currently on #sc2mapster. Has said a total of 114 messages. Is idling for 12h 37m 34s, last said: 'meow meoww'. |
| 05:20.29 | Dogmai | ffs ... meow ... |
| 05:20.33 | Dogmai | wake up |
| 05:20.35 | JademusSreg | I'm describing the general how, and it consists of many different triggers. No single action can cover blocking weapons the way you want. |
| 05:20.56 | JademusSreg | Kill missiles entering the region. |
| 05:21.06 | JademusSreg | Or. |
| 05:21.09 | soultaker_ | are lazer considered missle? |
| 05:21.25 | JademusSreg | Detect when orders are made crossing the threshold and prevent them. |
| 05:21.34 | soultaker_ | like battle ship ata lazer consider a missle? |
| 05:21.36 | JademusSreg | Which is to say interrupt them. |
| 05:21.42 | JademusSreg | Yes, it ias. |
| 05:21.43 | soultaker_ | ah |
| 05:21.45 | soultaker_ | so |
| 05:21.57 | soultaker_ | make my barrier kkinda thick |
| 05:22.06 | soultaker_ | and disallow attack |
| 05:22.11 | soultaker_ | right? |
| 05:23.34 | JademusSreg | Hell, if you give each individual blocker unit a periodic buff with a search area effect to kill missiles in the search radius, it will kill all but the fastest missiles. |
| 05:23.48 | JademusSreg | That will solve that part. |
| 05:24.11 | soultaker_ | yes but do lasers=missle? |
| 05:24.16 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 05:24.27 | JademusSreg | If you see it go pew pew and fly to its target, it is a missile. |
| 05:24.36 | soultaker_ | kk |
| 05:24.39 | soultaker_ | making sure |
| 05:24.40 | soultaker_ | XD |
| 05:24.46 | JademusSreg | And if you have any doubt, their data appears in the Units section. |
| 05:24.58 | soultaker_ | na uve never lead me wrong befor |
| 05:25.02 | soultaker_ | before* |
| 05:25.02 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 05:25.37 | soultaker_ | so i would apply like a guardian shield thing to micro units surounding the buble? |
| 05:25.53 | JademusSreg | Wha? |
| 05:26.02 | soultaker_ | oh nvm |
| 05:26.11 | soultaker_ | i get it |
| 05:26.36 | soultaker_ | so how would i identify the location of the edge of the bubble? |
| 05:27.53 | Alpha_vst | BAM http://oi56.tinypic.com/351egip.jpg new screenshot |
| 05:27.54 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 05:28.37 | soultaker_ | wow |
| 05:28.41 | soultaker_ | that looks awsome |
| 05:28.45 | soultaker_ | but will the gameplay match |
| 05:28.46 | soultaker_ | XD |
| 05:28.59 | Alpha_vst | :D |
| 05:29.23 | Alpha_vst | its getting there |
| 05:29.27 | JademusSreg | I'm saying make a unit that doesn't use a model so it will be invisible. Give it a footprint that blocks sight, and is also unpathable if that is something you want. Make for it a Buff behavior with a period greater than 0 and periodic effect; make a Search Area effect, add a new Area value, set its radius to coincide with the pathing blocker, give the area an effect that kills (it's called |
| 05:29.28 | JademusSreg | Kill, iirc), make the filter require Missile type. |
| 05:29.42 | JademusSreg | Create these blocker units in a circle around the caster via trigger. |
| 05:30.22 | JademusSreg | Off the top of my head, I'd suggest that. |
| 05:30.33 | Alpha_vst | been working on the objectives lol |
| 05:30.48 | Alpha_vst | very generic right now though :D |
| 05:30.59 | soultaker_ | that sound like it would completly work |
| 05:31.09 | Alpha_vst | but i only have 3 main and two secondary :D |
| 05:31.24 | soultaker_ | im trying to figure out how i would generate the locations to spawn them(lays back thinking) |
| 05:31.36 | Alpha_vst | of course its all randomly generated |
| 05:31.42 | soultaker_ | awsome |
| 05:31.45 | Alpha_vst | at least the amounts |
| 05:31.46 | soultaker_ | i do like the design |
| 05:32.09 | JademusSreg | Alph, if you start using imgur, I will look at every screenshot you post forever. |
| 05:32.17 | JademusSreg | I don't like tinypic, basically. |
| 05:32.21 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 05:32.38 | Alpha_vst | I started using it cause well it was the top hit on google at the time :D |
| 05:33.00 | Alpha_vst | i have 95 ss on the account :D |
| 05:33.08 | Alpha_vst | just of the map stuff lol |
| 05:34.13 | Alpha_vst | http://imgur.com/9GsEQ there you go jade :D |
| 05:34.37 | Alpha_vst | lol |
| 05:34.55 | JademusSreg | That. |
| 05:34.59 | JademusSreg | That is cool. |
| 05:35.01 | Alpha_vst | i think i need to make some power ups |
| 05:35.09 | Alpha_vst | so i can enable them from missions |
| 05:35.13 | JademusSreg | I dig the aesthetic. |
| 05:35.14 | Alpha_vst | yes good idea |
| 05:35.40 | Alpha_vst | yeah it needs work but its on the right track :D |
| 05:35.52 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 05:36.21 | JademusSreg | Looks like something for me to look forward to testing. |
| 05:37.17 | JademusSreg | What are the main gameplay mechanics? |
| 05:37.19 | soultaker_ | jade how would i calculate all points in with radius of unit? |
| 05:37.26 | soultaker_ | is there some sort or action for that? |
| 05:38.01 | Alpha_vst | main goal is to survive :D |
| 05:38.02 | JademusSreg | Taker, you can create points at a polar offset. |
| 05:38.24 | soultaker_ | ty |
| 05:38.27 | soultaker_ | just saw that |
| 05:38.29 | soultaker_ | XD |
| 05:38.29 | JademusSreg | The further the radius, the more angular increments you make. |
| 05:38.50 | Motive | Jademus do you know what controls that fog? |
| 05:38.56 | Motive | Cause I reloaded the map and it still shows up in the editor o_o |
| 05:39.21 | Alpha_vst | but its really a survival defence strategy team work based map :P |
| 05:39.22 | JademusSreg | Yeah. Terrain Texture Set |
| 05:39.32 | JademusSreg | Fog Color, Fog Density, and so forth. |
| 05:39.57 | JademusSreg | Alph, that's a genre, what are the game mechanics? |
| 05:39.57 | Motive | Ah, k |
| 05:40.52 | Alpha_vst | control points and contain the zombies |
| 05:40.54 | JademusSreg | Make sure fog viewing is enabled by either going into game view of toggle it with the F key in non game view. |
| 05:40.56 | Alpha_vst | or try to |
| 05:40.58 | soultaker_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:41.01 | soultaker_ | that seem right to u? |
| 05:41.31 | soultaker_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:41.36 | soultaker_ | forgot last part |
| 05:41.40 | soultaker_ | does that seem right to u? |
| 05:41.54 | JademusSreg | Taker, the number of points will be proportional to the radius of the circle. |
| 05:42.32 | Alpha_vst | the zombies random scout the map looking for points and they try to keep location that they know about |
| 05:42.35 | soultaker_ | i figure 360 with a circle that has a radium of 20ish would be good to have 360 points instead of doing cariable +! |
| 05:42.43 | soultaker_ | altho |
| 05:42.47 | Alpha_vst | so you can actually prevent them from finding locations if your good enough |
| 05:42.48 | soultaker_ | this might cause lag... |
| 05:42.49 | soultaker_ | :/ |
| 05:43.06 | Alpha_vst | and i have a wip threat system |
| 05:43.10 | JademusSreg | Interesting Alph. How do the player units handle? |
| 05:44.01 | Alpha_vst | they have weaknesses and strengths and you have to know what to use one what with your limited supply of battle points |
| 05:44.10 | JademusSreg | I wrote a threat system during beta, pretty crude, I had to use catalogs for nearly everything. This was before they added the ability to get a unit's weapon damage natively. |
| 05:44.57 | Alpha_vst | mine uses unit variables |
| 05:45.09 | JademusSreg | Is the combat about making skill shots, or is it tactical resource management? =) |
| 05:45.49 | Alpha_vst | little of both |
| 05:45.53 | JademusSreg | DoW2's Last Stand mode, for example, is all about tactical resource management. |
| 05:45.58 | Alpha_vst | im still working it out also |
| 05:46.13 | JademusSreg | Whereas nearly all great contemporary moba games and maps are about skill shots. |
| 05:46.56 | JademusSreg | Monday Night Combat for the XBLA being my favorite MOBA yet developed. |
| 05:46.56 | Alpha_vst | some units will only be almost unkillable by some units |
| 05:47.03 | Alpha_vst | OMG |
| 05:47.04 | Motive | :| jademus. I checked all of that out. It's still no fog. Editor is fine w/ fog though. D: |
| 05:47.08 | Alpha_vst | I LOVE THAT GAME |
| 05:47.14 | Alpha_vst | have it on steam |
| 05:47.29 | JademusSreg | I forgot there was a Steam version. I think I should get it. |
| 05:47.40 | JademusSreg | That's weird motive. |
| 05:47.49 | Alpha_vst | i dont have a pc right now so i dont play it haha |
| 05:48.12 | Motive | I know, it's fucked up :( |
| 05:48.14 | JademusSreg | Mind if I take a look, Motive? |
| 05:48.36 | JademusSreg | I have an idea of what it might be. |
| 05:49.17 | Alpha_vst | im trying to make this very tactical and stratgic while being completly random |
| 05:49.33 | Alpha_vst | ands a whole lot of killing shit |
| 05:49.47 | JademusSreg | I think it might be the base elevation for the terrain is exceeding the start height and falloff. |
| 05:50.07 | Motive | Sure, give me a moment. |
| 05:50.08 | Motive | :) |
| 05:50.51 | JademusSreg | Motive, click on Data -> Modify Height Field. |
| 05:51.15 | Motive | Base Height: 0 |
| 05:51.17 | Motive | Err |
| 05:51.19 | Motive | 8 |
| 05:51.30 | JademusSreg | I want to know the value. Also, set the terrain texture set's fog related values to defaults. |
| 05:51.33 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 05:52.42 | Motive | Yup. Those were already at defaults |
| 05:53.03 | JademusSreg | Alright. I need to see it. This is too weird. =) |
| 05:53.13 | Motive | xD Ok |
| 05:53.33 | Alpha_vst | I wish i could set the terrian texture at a point :( |
| 05:54.03 | JademusSreg | I'll be afk for a minute while you upload it to whatever service you trust for that stuff. bbi5 |
| 05:55.04 | Motive | kk |
| 06:05.50 | Alpha_vst | goodnight peoples |
| 06:13.17 | nolliepoper | Excuse me, which is faster, custom methods accessing global variables or their parameters? |
| 06:13.37 | Motive | that makes no sense |
| 06:13.59 | nolliepoper | Accessing their parameters makes for easier coding but I thought it may increase the traffic. |
| 06:14.12 | nolliepoper | Motive. |
| 06:14.19 | nolliepoper | It does make sense. |
| 06:14.35 | Motive | you mean |
| 06:14.50 | Motive | which is faster, a function accessing global variables, or having them passed in through parameters? |
| 06:14.55 | nolliepoper | yes |
| 06:15.14 | nolliepoper | but you input those your global variables into the parameters in the first place. |
| 06:15.20 | Motive | theoretically, globals, but honestly, the question is moot, because globals are things you don't pass to begin with. |
| 06:15.34 | Motive | why pass it as a parameter if it's a global? |
| 06:15.36 | nolliepoper | come again? |
| 06:15.54 | nolliepoper | Because you can setup the syntax faster |
| 06:16.17 | nolliepoper | when you create your method in the trigger, all of the parameters can be predefined. |
| 06:16.24 | Motive | the idea of globals and parameters are like apples and oranges |
| 06:16.46 | nolliepoper | We both understand what I am asking, so what are you honnest oppinions. |
| 06:17.05 | nolliepoper | Is it extra traffic to use parameters |
| 06:17.05 | Motive | my honest opinion is that the question is moot, if you're trying to gain speed by not passing a parameter, you're in "optimization hell" |
| 06:17.15 | Motive | where your "slight optimization" ends up making your code look stupid |
| 06:17.23 | nolliepoper | what is optimization hell? |
| 06:17.29 | JademusSreg | Easy to check via debugger, in any case. Write two functions, one with a parameter and one without, the one without getting a value from a global, then compare the execution time. Dunno how many values you'd need to do anything with before you notice a difference, though. |
| 06:17.32 | Motive | theoretically, accessing a variables location will be faster than passing it through the stack |
| 06:17.40 | Motive | so, globals speed > parameter speed |
| 06:17.47 | Motive | but that doesn't mean parameters should be avoided for "extra traffic" |
| 06:18.09 | JademusSreg | Traffic isn't applicable here. |
| 06:18.10 | Motive | it's like saying I-95 should be avoided if there's 1 other car on the freeway, in exchange for a sideroad, because the sideroad is empty. |
| 06:18.12 | Motive | exactly. |
| 06:18.27 | nolliepoper | I just wanted to tweek my code to use more parameters because of how easy the predefinitions are. |
| 06:18.58 | nolliepoper | it gets old putting in a 3 dimensional array fields filled with 3 different 1 dimensional arrays |
| 06:19.15 | nolliepoper | the parameter definitions could fix it. |
| 06:19.31 | JademusSreg | Motive, who was it that tested and found that local data table use are apparently faster than global data table use? |
| 06:19.36 | Motive | "fix" maybe but you'd lose the ability to modify the array, if that suits your fancy. |
| 06:19.40 | Motive | No clue, Jademus :( |
| 06:20.01 | Motive | I'd argue that passing the index of the array would inherently be a superior design, because down the line it would be easier to update as a programmer, should you want to change something |
| 06:20.07 | JademusSreg | Hm. I forget. In any case, it's completely unrelated to the topic, I was just reminded of it. |
| 06:20.13 | nolliepoper | Not much need to modify the array inside a custom condition |
| 06:20.56 | Motive | just try to avoid having the same parameters for 100 methods that call each other |
| 06:21.21 | nolliepoper | not much I can do about triggering player |
| 06:21.43 | Motive | Triggering Player is thread-local, so you can actually do a great deal with it |
| 06:21.51 | JademusSreg | Yeah. |
| 06:22.00 | Motive | treat it like a local variable that likes to jump scope as long as you're in the same trigger or function called from that trigger, etc. |
| 06:22.41 | nolliepoper | Right now I have it setup to limited parameters, but was just wondering if more would be worth it. |
| 06:22.44 | JademusSreg | I prefer putting it in a variable if I use it more than once in a scope. |
| 06:22.54 | nolliepoper | So, I guess I will leave it the way you prefer. |
| 06:23.18 | nolliepoper | Thanks |
| 06:23.39 | soultaker_ | jade |
| 06:24.17 | Xapti | I don't ahve the map eidtor open right now. Can someone do me a favor |
| 06:24.23 | Xapti | and look at the aftyercast of burrow |
| 06:24.35 | soultaker_ | jade wouldnt the peroid on the behavior be -1 so that its always running? |
| 06:24.36 | Motive | there's always a benefit to parameters though, if you have very modular extendable code. by passing parameters you enforce a contract which says that the called function cannot modify any of the data :) |
| 06:24.52 | Motive | but that doesn't really apply so much for galaxy since you're not expecting parts of the code to be modular |
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| 06:25.36 | Motive_ | <3 you freenode |
| 06:25.47 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 06:26.14 | nolliepoper | Are be able to create arrays type custom methods? |
| 06:26.16 | JademusSreg | Taker, no. |
| 06:26.35 | Dogmai | alright |
| 06:26.46 | JademusSreg | Period refers to the time between each periodic event. |
| 06:26.52 | Dogmai | Does anyone know how I change the Constant <Constant name="CommandButtonGap" val="30"/> in sc2layout override |
| 06:26.55 | nolliepoper | Lets say an array of custom actions or custom conditions. |
| 06:27.00 | nolliepoper | Can we do that? |
| 06:27.20 | Motive | @Dogmai: try <Constant name="CommandButtonGap" file="SomeFile" val="30"/> ? |
| 06:27.36 | soultaker_ | so wouldnt the barrier be -1 for always running? |
| 06:27.36 | Motive | and the prefix in front of "CommandButtonGap" I assume |
| 06:27.48 | Dogmai | ugh |
| 06:27.49 | soultaker_ | if i set it to 1 |
| 06:27.50 | JademusSreg | No. It already is always running. |
| 06:27.55 | soultaker_ | it will occur every 1 seond? |
| 06:28.02 | soultaker_ | oh |
| 06:28.07 | nolliepoper | Motive do you know how to put custom conditions and actions inside an array? |
| 06:28.08 | JademusSreg | Period just sets how often the period effect executes. |
| 06:28.11 | soultaker_ | thats why i have me do a periodic/// |
| 06:28.22 | Motive | Sort of, nolliepoper. You can hack it :) |
| 06:28.44 | Motive | Consider an array of type trigger |
| 06:28.46 | nolliepoper | please tell me how, it will save me hours of work. |
| 06:28.50 | Motive | trigger[128] myConditions; |
| 06:28.54 | Motive | if we call |
| 06:29.04 | Motive | bool b = TriggerEvaluate(myConditions[0]); |
| 06:29.05 | nolliepoper | There I will have to make a million triggers? |
| 06:29.15 | Motive | then "b" will be either "true/false" and contain the return code of the trigger |
| 06:29.36 | JademusSreg | wishes we had IntToBool. |
| 06:29.54 | Motive | it's a hack that relies on the params of a trigger |
| 06:29.55 | nolliepoper | The problem is you can't trasfer data into triggers |
| 06:29.58 | Motive | bool testConds, bool runActions |
| 06:29.59 | soultaker_ | lol.... |
| 06:30.07 | soultaker_ | just use a lagorithm? |
| 06:30.11 | Motive | you will have to write your own stack or something similar to pass data into the trigger |
| 06:30.25 | JademusSreg | You can, if all you want to transfer is bool. =D |
| 06:30.38 | nolliepoper | I didn't understand exactly what the hack was |
| 06:30.45 | nolliepoper | I have made trigger arrays before |
| 06:30.50 | Motive | TriggerEvaluate(trigger) returns the return value of a trigger |
| 06:30.55 | nolliepoper | but you lost me on some parts |
| 06:30.55 | Motive | so the form of a trigger is |
| 06:30.56 | JademusSreg | Which is, related, why I wish we had IntToBool. |
| 06:31.01 | Motive | bool myTrigger(bool testConds, bool runActions) {} |
| 06:31.11 | Motive | so whatever that trigger we execute returns for the bool |
| 06:31.16 | Motive | gets returned by "TriggerEvaluate" |
| 06:31.38 | Dogmai | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:31.40 | Dogmai | doesnt work |
| 06:31.49 | Motive | why is the file insane? |
| 06:32.31 | Motive | file="GameUI" only? |
| 06:33.05 | nolliepoper | I don't see TriggerEvaluate(trigger) as an action |
| 06:33.15 | soultaker_ | jade u got to help me and partually walk me through the data editor im such a noob its rediculous |
| 06:33.23 | soultaker_ | im still trying to get the basics down |
| 06:33.25 | soultaker_ | XD |
| 06:33.35 | Motive | turn on "View Raw Data" |
| 06:33.36 | Motive | nolliepoper |
| 06:33.38 | JademusSreg | Can't. I'm too sleepy. |
| 06:33.44 | soultaker_ | its cool |
| 06:33.46 | Dogmai | i just tried that |
| 06:33.47 | Dogmai | didnt work either |
| 06:33.47 | soultaker_ | we will do this tomorrow |
| 06:33.52 | soultaker_ | and there will be cake... |
| 06:33.53 | Dogmai | we had the same idea |
| 06:34.16 | JademusSreg | Just CnP what I wrote, save it, and guess at its meaning as though it were sacred scripture. |
| 06:34.28 | nolliepoper | is TriggerEvaluate(trigger) suppos to be an action? |
| 06:34.42 | Motive | dogmai: I guess blizzard XML constants are... constant forever :( |
| 06:34.53 | Dogmai | i could change it the old way |
| 06:34.53 | Motive | its a function, nolliepoper |
| 06:35.00 | Dogmai | when we overrid the actual files |
| 06:35.14 | JademusSreg | In a few centuries, the Jademite denominations can argue over the meaning of what I meant by a Search Area effect. |
| 06:35.20 | Motive | yeah but that makes sense from a programming perspective |
| 06:35.25 | soultaker_ | jade what kind fo effect do i use to kill units? |
| 06:35.25 | Motive | they'd just init the top level of the file |
| 06:35.27 | Motive | so it'd still be constant |
| 06:35.33 | JademusSreg | Use Kill, Taker. |
| 06:35.36 | Dogmai | yeah |
| 06:35.41 | Dogmai | but i want to change that bloody constant |
| 06:35.47 | soultaker_ | effect time= kill |
| 06:35.48 | Dogmai | i can work around it, but i dont want to |
| 06:35.54 | soultaker_ | i dont see anything there that says kill :( |
| 06:35.56 | Dogmai | i am seriously fed up to here with blizzard |
| 06:36.02 | Dogmai | and their near lack of support for the mod community |
| 06:36.08 | JademusSreg | I'm about to go to sleep. =D |
| 06:36.19 | Motive | They did post about the 1.3 changes in advance |
| 06:36.21 | Motive | and PTR |
| 06:36.31 | Dogmai | yea |
| 06:36.39 | soultaker_ | theres no effect type for KILL |
| 06:36.41 | soultaker_ | :(\ |
| 06:36.45 | Motive | they also warned us that layout changes would crash with every patch unless you used the override method |
| 06:37.15 | JademusSreg | Kill isn't an effect type. It's the name of an effect |
| 06:37.25 | JademusSreg | It's a damage type effect, iirc. |
| 06:37.52 | JademusSreg | Did you create the Search Area effect and set it as the behavior's periodic effect? |
| 06:38.30 | Dogmai | indeed |
| 06:38.59 | JademusSreg | Anyway, sleep time. I've got TBBT on download, so I'll have something to watch when I awaken. |
| 06:43.55 | nolliepoper | Motive I understand the trigger hack, is there a way to use triggering player inside the trigger conditions? |
| 06:44.27 | nolliepoper | That will derive from the trigger that called the triggerhack. |
| 06:47.30 | Motive | Possibly. Find out :P |
| 06:47.37 | Motive | It's undefined in a lot of cases how it works |
| 06:47.41 | Motive | but I believe it just might, yes |
| 06:48.05 | nolliepoper | Oh just natually? |
| 06:48.22 | Motive | Depending on how Blizzard implemented Thread-local |
| 06:48.38 | Motive | if thread-local is based on their actual wait/no-wait trigger impl, then it will work |
| 06:48.44 | Motive | if thread-local is the same as trigger-local, then no |
| 06:48.56 | Motive | but I strongly suspect it's the first one |
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| 06:51.41 | nolliepoper | It didn't work, so no you can't use triggering unit natually. |
| 06:51.45 | nolliepoper | Is there another work around? |
| 06:51.51 | nolliepoper | I meant triggering player |
| 06:53.45 | nolliepoper | Why didn't Blizzard just let put custom methods inside arrays. |
| 06:53.54 | nolliepoper | So simple |
| 07:00.32 | grim001 | what rules should apply to library naming? |
| 07:01.22 | grim001 | Only alphanumeric characters and no spaces seems right to me, I could even enforce capitalization :P |
| 07:07.49 | Xapti | SLUSH playing catz right now on catz stream |
| 07:10.37 | Helral | meow? |
| 07:11.06 | Helral | what's the problem nolliepoper? |
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| 08:04.11 | Dogmai | helral! |
| 08:04.20 | Dogmai | Helral|Work! |
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| 08:14.41 | Vexal_ | okay. i only typed in half the captcha and it let me on any way. |
| 08:14.50 | Vexal_ | how do i change my name |
| 08:16.09 | Helral|Work | meow? |
| 08:16.17 | Helral|Work | ./nick |
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| 08:18.53 | Vexal|Vexal|Vexa | it won't let me change it to vexal|penis |
| 08:19.52 | Vexal|2 | is this true: events for triggers still fire even if the trigger is turned off. triggers have a boolean "if trigger is off, return immediately" |
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| 08:24.52 | Vexal|2 | helral|work |
| 08:24.56 | Vexal|2 | helral|work |
| 08:25.01 | Vexal|2 | deaod |
| 08:25.08 | Deaod | ? |
| 08:25.12 | Vexal|2 | is this true: |
| 08:25.27 | Vexal|2 | events for triggers still fire even if the trigger is turned off. triggers have a boolean "if trigger is off, return immedieately" |
| 08:25.29 | Vexal|2 | immediately* |
| 08:25.55 | Deaod | well, cant speak much for SC2, but it worked like that in WC3 |
| 08:26.38 | Deaod | you could look at the code GUI generates |
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| 08:27.56 | Vexal|2 | grim001 is this true: events for triggers still fire even if the trigger is turned off. triggers have a boolean "if trigger is off, return immediately" |
| 08:28.24 | grim001 | yes, its pretty retarded |
| 08:28.43 | Vexal|2 | how do i guaruntee an event doesn't run? |
| 08:28.54 | Vexal|2 | i thought i was safe from using "unit takes damaged" or "unit is attacked" events |
| 08:29.01 | Vexal|2 | because i was only turning them on for a couple seconds at a time |
| 08:30.46 | grim001 | delete the trigger |
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| 08:31.07 | Vexal|2 | what if i want them on and off periodically? |
| 08:31.14 | Vexal|2 | or was your response sarcastic? |
| 08:31.38 | grim001 | recreate the trigger |
| 08:32.15 | Vexal|2 | is there a "destroy trigger" and "create trigger" action in GUI? or is it like wc3 where you need script |
| 08:34.25 | grim001 | need script |
| 08:38.05 | Dekar | >:3 |
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| 08:59.43 | Stewox | hello |
| 08:59.47 | MrOp | hi |
| 09:00.07 | Helral|Work | meow |
| 09:00.07 | Stewox | hey |
| 09:00.13 | Stewox | i duplicated Baneling |
| 09:00.17 | Stewox | Data |
| 09:00.22 | Stewox | but it doesn't work |
| 09:00.31 | Helral|Work | did you dupe the actors as well? |
| 09:00.37 | Stewox | half of stuff is not linked |
| 09:01.05 | Stewox | i mean , i duplicated it as i do everything , but just banelings won't work |
| 09:01.06 | Stewox | why |
| 09:01.15 | Stewox | xeah , actor is missing too |
| 09:01.24 | Helral|Work | dunno |
| 09:01.32 | Stewox | can't create that unit ingame (actor missing , creating fallback sphere)( |
| 09:02.04 | Helral|Work | you forgot to check it s actors when duping? |
| 09:03.35 | Dekar | hi |
| 09:03.38 | Stewox | hey |
| 09:03.40 | Stewox | why |
| 09:03.46 | Stewox | i don't want duplicate all |
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| 09:03.53 | Stewox | i don't know what i need to check and what not |
| 09:03.55 | Dekar | you have to duplicate actors though |
| 09:04.01 | Dekar | the unit and the main actor |
| 09:04.18 | Stewox | yes but what about the other stuff |
| 09:04.19 | Stewox | sounds too |
| 09:04.23 | Stewox | since half is not linked |
| 09:04.36 | Dekar | i think the actor should take care of it |
| 09:04.38 | Stewox | why is that , why it's not everything linked , why it needs to be doubled |
| 09:04.52 | Stewox | okay so actor and nothing else ? |
| 09:04.55 | Dekar | well, the unit is the data and the actor is how it is displayed |
| 09:04.59 | Dekar | or controls |
| 09:05.03 | Dekar | how it is displayed |
| 09:05.14 | Stewox | okay... |
| 09:05.46 | Dekar | i think these 2 are the bare minimum to duplicate |
| 09:06.22 | Dekar | if you want to change its weapon without changing the weapon of the old unit you obviously have to duplicate them too |
| 09:08.46 | Stewox | yeah i know about that , |
| 09:08.47 | Stewox | okay |
| 09:08.51 | Stewox | here's 2 actors |
| 09:08.54 | Stewox | Baneling Attack |
| 09:08.57 | Stewox | and Baneling |
| 09:09.06 | Stewox | need to check both ? |
| 09:10.07 | Stewox | there's liked unit Baneling (burrowed) , that doesn't need to be duplicated ? |
| 09:11.43 | Dekar | hmm, baneling is a bit trickier because it can burrow, so it should actually be 2 units? |
| 09:12.12 | Dekar | baneling attack is for the weapon i think |
| 09:13.15 | Dekar | Helral|afk! |
| 09:13.17 | Dekar | come unafk |
| 09:14.04 | Dekar | if you want it to burrow you need to copy the burrowed actor and the burrowed baneling unit |
| 09:15.15 | Stewox | hmm |
| 09:15.19 | Stewox | will try now with this |
| 09:15.43 | Stewox | i ddin't have to duplicate Baneling Attack actor , that was linked ok |
| 09:19.47 | Stewox | em |
| 09:19.52 | Stewox | in INFO+ |
| 09:19.57 | Stewox | i want to make cooldown |
| 09:20.09 | Stewox | what's difference in Cooldown use and cooldown start |
| 09:20.19 | Stewox | because Queen has a Build ability |
| 09:20.30 | Stewox | it's actually building it |
| 09:20.34 | Stewox | not spawning |
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| 09:28.56 | Dekar | well |
| 09:29.00 | Dekar | i think |
| 09:29.11 | Dekar | cooldown start is when the unit is build |
| 09:29.30 | Dekar | so it starts with x cooldown |
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| 09:47.13 | grim001 | ... |
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| 10:10.14 | Deaod | ... |
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| 10:16.22 | grim001 | Making some progress tonight |
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| 10:19.38 | Stewox | i guess |
| 10:19.42 | Stewox | these are seconds |
| 10:19.44 | Stewox | i set it to 5 |
| 10:20.15 | Stewox | dekar, and it doesn't work yet , the queen still spawns them very fast |
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| 10:20.36 | Dekar | explain |
| 10:20.59 | Stewox | well |
| 10:21.09 | Stewox | there is no queen hatch animation |
| 10:21.22 | Stewox | it just turns and spawns it |
| 10:21.27 | Stewox | and no cooldown |
| 10:21.30 | Stewox | of the ability |
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| 10:22.10 | Dekar | what do you try to do? |
| 10:22.36 | Stewox | i guess the INFO + doesn't control this |
| 10:22.38 | Dekar | building a queen in a hatch? |
| 10:22.41 | Stewox | no |
| 10:22.49 | Dekar | i dont understand what you try to accomplish |
| 10:22.50 | Stewox | spawning a unit with a queen |
| 10:22.53 | Stewox | same as creep tumor |
| 10:22.54 | Dekar | ok |
| 10:23.18 | Dekar | and your problem is? |
| 10:23.36 | Stewox | queen laying animation missing |
| 10:23.41 | Stewox | and no cooldown |
| 10:23.54 | Stewox | i think there is no cooldown altogether |
| 10:24.26 | Stewox | why she can spawn only one tumor in 5 seconds is because of the animation disability cooldown which locks here to finish the animation |
| 10:26.08 | Dekar | and you want to add cooldown? |
| 10:27.11 | Dekar | build ability - info - your unit - cooldown time use doesnt work? |
| 10:28.15 | Stewox | ah |
| 10:28.21 | Stewox | i used cooldown start |
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| 10:28.38 | Dekar | did you create your own build ability? |
| 10:29.02 | Stewox | nope |
| 10:29.11 | Dekar | changed the original? |
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| 10:29.16 | Stewox | added |
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| 10:31.13 | Dekar | man, the queen actor has a lot of events for all kinds of spells |
| 10:31.39 | Stewox | oh |
| 10:31.47 | Stewox | so i need to ad there also |
| 10:31.54 | Stewox | i guess |
| 10:32.41 | Dekar | doesnt look that way |
| 10:32.54 | Dekar | as long as its the original build ability you changed |
| 10:33.06 | Dekar | if you cloned it you may have to add it |
| 10:33.40 | Dekar | but it does not appear to look at what exactly is build |
| 10:35.04 | Dekar | no idea why it shows no animation, im no actor pro |
| 10:35.51 | Stewox | i just added another build to the build ability |
| 10:35.54 | Stewox | that's all |
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| 10:38.22 | Stewox | actor event maybe |
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| 10:44.44 | Dekar | Helral|Work |
| 10:44.58 | Dekar | stop working and do something useful! |
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| 10:47.15 | Stewox | hex |
| 10:47.26 | Stewox | i found something in |
| 10:47.44 | Stewox | Zerg Construction |
| 10:47.49 | Stewox | attached to |
| 10:47.56 | Stewox | Queen - Build ability |
| 10:48.16 | Stewox | anything with "zerg construction" in left pane |
| 10:48.42 | Stewox | i think there's nothing to do with actors |
| 10:49.05 | Stewox | since the animations are more global , i think the ability should control that |
| 10:49.29 | Stewox | since ther'es not mention of creep tumor in actors |
| 10:53.52 | Stewox | dekar the unit im spawning doesn't have a build ability , since it's not a structure |
| 10:54.02 | Stewox | i found theres something else but it was not linked apparently |
| 10:54.09 | Stewox | Creep Tumor - Build , it's an ability |
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| 10:54.21 | Dekar | the creep tumor ability is the build ability |
| 10:54.38 | Stewox | but that , is actually , now i thought ... that is not for the queen that is for the creep tumor expansion builds |
| 10:55.00 | Stewox | yeah |
| 10:55.02 | Stewox | but that's not this |
| 10:55.12 | Stewox | it's not what im looking for |
| 10:55.25 | Stewox | Queen's build ability builds the Tumor |
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| 10:55.54 | Stewox | and queen makes that hatching animation , like something ejecting from her back sack |
| 10:56.03 | Stewox | it doesn't make it when spawning a baneling |
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| 11:04.31 | Stewox | dekar |
| 11:04.36 | Stewox | ability is the same |
| 11:04.41 | Stewox | it's just a different ability command |
| 11:04.59 | Stewox | Queen Build for both |
| 11:05.53 | Dekar | yes |
| 11:06.14 | Dekar | the actor event only takes Queen - Build |
| 11:06.16 | Dekar | so i have no idea |
| 11:06.52 | Stewox | alright then |
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| 11:33.18 | grim001 | ... |
| 11:34.41 | Helral|Work | Stewox: did you check the Actor Terms? |
| 11:34.54 | Stewox | terms ? |
| 11:34.56 | Stewox | where's that |
| 11:35.01 | Helral|Work | at the actor events |
| 11:35.11 | Helral|Work | you've got the actors event, then term, then action. |
| 11:35.19 | Helral|Work | term is a condition. |
| 11:36.07 | Stewox | i didn't found "queen - build" inside actor events |
| 11:37.30 | Helral|Work | Abil.QueenBuild.WorkerStart |
| 11:37.53 | Stewox | ok |
| 11:38.03 | Helral|Work | it doesn't have a term though. |
| 11:38.19 | Helral|Work | but if your baneling creation is instant, then the queen won't display the animation at all. |
| 11:38.54 | Stewox | yeah, it doesn't even have connection with tumor directly |
| 11:39.58 | Stewox | i set build time to 0 because it was always built instantly and because baneling doesn't have buildability |
| 11:40.14 | Stewox | i was at first trying to spawn a hatching cocoon |
| 11:44.57 | Stewox | i set Time use cooldown and the build time |
| 11:45.02 | Stewox | trying now |
| 11:51.26 | Stewox | Helral|work , it says WARNING Baneling 2 is missing a buildable ability |
| 11:51.35 | Stewox | the cooldown works |
| 11:51.54 | Stewox | the button doesn't show energy cost , (weird, but i done everything the same as creep tumor) |
| 11:52.04 | Stewox | the animation doesn't work |
| 11:52.16 | Stewox | the queen is mobile and it wants to spawn more banelings |
| 11:52.34 | Stewox | but the orders are dismissed because the cooldown did not pass |
| 11:52.47 | Stewox | 5 sec cooldown |
| 11:53.37 | Helral|Work | the Queen uses: Ability - info - Delay on the build ability for the animation time for the tumor. |
| 11:55.14 | Stewox | where |
| 11:55.16 | Stewox | can't find it |
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| 11:59.05 | Helral|Work | at the build ability. |
| 12:01.01 | Stewox | yeah |
| 12:01.07 | Stewox | there is nothing about animation |
| 12:01.29 | Stewox | i have exactly the sme |
| 12:01.47 | Stewox | i just don't need Build Time since there's nothing to build for baneling , it creates instantly |
| 12:02.00 | Stewox | i gave it 15 and 5 and 1 and no difference |
| 12:02.08 | Stewox | that's the INFO |
| 12:02.13 | Stewox | scrolled down to bottm |
| 12:02.35 | Helral|Work | Abil.QueenBuild.WorkerStart plays the tumor placement animation and Ability - info - Delay makes it so that the queen doesn't move during that time. |
| 12:02.46 | Stewox | amount of time it takes to contruct a unit , Info - TIme , |
| 12:03.13 | Stewox | where is ability info delay |
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| 12:03.41 | Helral|Work | Ability - Info+ if you've got it collapsed. |
| 12:04.00 | Stewox | there is no delay insde |
| 12:04.05 | Stewox | everything's set to 0 |
| 12:05.01 | Stewox | 15 is the INFO TIME , that's the build time of tumor , and not how long the queen waits |
| 12:05.07 | Stewox | 15 seconds is long |
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| 12:08.40 | grim001 | ... |
| 12:10.04 | grim001 | omg |
| 12:10.13 | grim001 | I finally understand this GOLDParser crap. |
| 12:10.21 | grim001 | and Deaod seems to have been doing it wrong as well. |
| 12:10.30 | Helral | what ability are you looking at, Stewox? |
| 12:10.38 | Deaod | do tell, please |
| 12:10.59 | grim001 | Did you ever generate a skeleton program? |
| 12:11.06 | Deaod | no |
| 12:11.29 | grim001 | Well, it creates a shit ton of constants that are needed to interpret the current reduction... |
| 12:11.39 | Deaod | hrm |
| 12:11.47 | grim001 | also, when the syntax is accepted, the new CurrentReduction contains the entire parse tree |
| 12:11.51 | grim001 | here's the kicker |
| 12:12.20 | grim001 | each time you encounter a reduction, you can reassign that reduction to some other object entirely, after extracting the data out of the current reduction. |
| 12:12.33 | grim001 | then the final reduction will contain YOUR objects. |
| 12:13.05 | grim001 | that is how you are intended to create whatever data structure you want to create out of the parse tree. |
| 12:13.38 | Deaod | let me just create a skeleton program |
| 12:14.21 | Helral|Work | forms the word program with some skeletons. |
| 12:14.35 | Helral|Work | points at the skeleton program. |
| 12:14.44 | grim001 | http://www.codeproject.com/KB/recipes/IntrotoGoldParser.aspx |
| 12:14.50 | grim001 | this page contains good info. |
| 12:15.43 | Deaod | well this is neat |
| 12:16.20 | grim001 | would have been nice for the actual documentation to tell you how to use it |
| 12:16.23 | Helral|Work | grim001, just wondering what is GoldParser for ;p |
| 12:16.41 | grim001 | Helral, GOLD is a parser generator |
| 12:17.01 | Helral|Work | for? ;p |
| 12:17.29 | Helral|Work | you can have different methods of parsing so..... ;p |
| 12:18.10 | Deaod | actually, the constants could be used for discovering what to do with the different reductions |
| 12:18.14 | grim001 | it is an LALR(1) parser that takes any grammar specified in BNF format and automatically generates parsing code for it in whatever language you want. |
| 12:18.29 | Deaod | but the AST as i use it would still be necessarz |
| 12:18.31 | Deaod | y |
| 12:19.12 | grim001 | doing it this way allows you to easily build the AST by replacing each currentReduction with a customized object holding the same data. |
| 12:19.33 | Helral|Work | so basicly it's a markup parser generator? |
| 12:19.57 | grim001 | Helral, what do you mean by "markup" in that sentence |
| 12:19.57 | Skizot | parceltongue! |
| 12:20.08 | Skizot | hssssaaaaaaashhhhhhhrreeeetttthhhh |
| 12:20.31 | Helral|Work | allow different colorizations depending on language used in IDE's. |
| 12:20.47 | Deaod | thats not at all what parsers are about |
| 12:21.20 | Helral|Work | also syntax checking etc. |
| 12:21.36 | grim001 | and creating output code in a different language. |
| 12:21.45 | grim001 | i.e. your own galaxy extension to galaxy. |
| 12:21.52 | grim001 | or galaxy to optimized galaxy code. |
| 12:21.58 | Skizot | §Å¥ÅÛÉ}â¢ÓÕÛt |
| 12:22.21 | Skizot | §Å¥ÒÖÚâä§ÍâÖ}Ú¢ÖÜÑÙGÑâÜÑÙ¥ÊèËÔÝ¡ËßÒâad |
| 12:22.38 | Skizot | encryption :D |
| 12:22.56 | grim001 | anyhow, the part after the giant switch statement in the gpMsgReduction block |
| 12:22.57 | Helral|Work | Skizot: meow |
| 12:23.01 | grim001 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:23.06 | Skizot | §Å¥ Éâßi |
| 12:23.37 | Deaod | im not quite sure how to replace reductions with my own objects and not break any code that would later use reductions to generate output code |
| 12:24.33 | grim001 | well, I am creating a hierarchy of classes that roughly corresponds to Galaxy's grammar (but in a more useful way) |
| 12:25.25 | Deaod | well, thats what i did... then i read each top level reduction and tried to make sense of it. |
| 12:25.48 | grim001 | yeah, i was doing that, but I found the provided methods to be insufficient |
| 12:26.07 | Stewox | Helral|work the queen build ability ofcours |
| 12:26.15 | grim001 | I think the way you are supposed to do it is to rely on the parser assembling all of your stuff into the final reduction for you. |
| 12:26.17 | Deaod | well, i got by using getTokenCount and the name of parent rules |
| 12:26.47 | Skizot | I'm in a bored type mood. |
| 12:26.52 | grim001 | yeah, but what happens when you need to go up a couple levels in order to figure out what kind of code it's supposed to be? |
| 12:27.24 | grim001 | by the time it knows it's a VariableDeclaration I can't get the tokens of the actual declaration anymore unless I stored that previous reduction somewhere. |
| 12:27.26 | Helral|Work | Stewox: and it doesn't have an Ability - Info - Delay ? |
| 12:27.35 | Deaod | well, if theres a syntax error before i actually start generating the AST ill just throw a syntax error |
| 12:27.38 | Stewox | nope |
| 12:28.17 | Deaod | after syntax checking theres mostly semantics left |
| 12:28.56 | grim001 | I'm not sure I'd be able to rewrite the code properly if I only knew what each object was at a lower level sense |
| 12:29.17 | Helral|Work | Stewox: it doesn't have the line selected in this img?: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13276752/Ability-Info-Delay.jpg |
| 12:29.29 | grim001 | for example, I can see something like... "Modifiers, Type, Indentifier, =, Expression" |
| 12:29.53 | grim001 | then it reduces that and finds it's a VariableDeclaration, but by then you have no way to access the conents of the previous reductions. |
| 12:30.07 | Deaod | well, i cant tell the user that he means to use the native Color(fixed,fixed,fixed) when he calls Color(0,0,0) |
| 12:30.30 | Deaod | i can only tell him that Color(int,int,int) is an undeclared function |
| 12:30.53 | grim001 | since Cosmos may do extensive code rewriting after certain features are added, I need to have everything organized in a way that represents the code constructs at a higher level |
| 12:31.22 | Deaod | i dont know how far you digged into the code i wrote |
| 12:31.29 | grim001 | not that far |
| 12:31.30 | Deaod | dug* |
| 12:32.23 | Deaod | also, i dont know what you want to do with your code |
| 12:32.39 | Stewox | Helral|work: it doesn't show that with "combined structure values" - i have not yet set my editor to advanced customized settings , just usinng what i have been used to from beta |
| 12:33.16 | Stewox | any more tips on customizing the view |
| 12:33.42 | grim001 | well |
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| 12:33.44 | grim001 | here's my current idea |
| 12:34.20 | Stewox | I have now set the delay to 2 for build02 |
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| 12:35.33 | grim001 | well I'll have to actually try to implement it before I figure out the details :P |
| 12:37.43 | Stewox | posting this to bug section then |
| 12:38.50 | grim001 | end goal is to have a hierarchy of objects that represents Galaxy code in a useful way, not a way that necessarily corresponds with its grammar, and feed the data from the reductions into it. |
| 12:39.15 | grim001 | somehow I think the intermediary step will need to be creating that custom parse tree. |
| 12:39.43 | grim001 | since i cant traverse the individual reductions up or down the hierarchy. |
| 12:39.54 | Dekar | yawns |
| 12:41.47 | Deaod | well, i dont link to the name of the function a call statement is calling, i link to the function itself (which is either a declaration or an implementation). |
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| 12:46.18 | grim001 | perhaps there's an easier way to do what I want to do, but I'll have to keep experimenting. |
| 12:46.58 | Helral|Work | Stewox: I myself always use the data editor with the middle 4 buttons (of the 6) selected. (the collide and raw data not selected) |
| 12:47.16 | Stewox | ok |
| 12:47.30 | Stewox | what are "display objects from all sources" used for |
| 12:47.31 | Stewox | mainly |
| 12:47.44 | Stewox | those duplicates can't be edited |
| 12:48.00 | Helral|Work | you can see the changes per module. I guess. |
| 12:48.18 | Stewox | per dependency |
| 12:48.38 | Stewox | right* |
| 12:48.42 | Stewox | ? |
| 12:50.45 | JademusSreg | I awaken. |
| 12:50.57 | Skizot | BACK TO SLEEP WITH YOU! |
| 12:51.01 | JademusSreg | Who needs more than 4 hours of sleep? |
| 12:51.02 | Skizot | gets the club out. |
| 12:51.41 | Vexal|2 | all new posts have 0 view count |
| 12:51.44 | Vexal|2 | it is driving me insane |
| 12:54.10 | Stewox | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/project-workplace/19658-release-video-speed-craft-f-zero-style-racer/ |
| 12:54.16 | Stewox | can i play this game |
| 12:54.19 | Stewox | on EU |
| 12:54.23 | Stewox | please |
| 12:54.30 | Skizot | are there loop de loops? |
| 12:54.45 | Stewox | someone that knows bounty well and is on EU please repond! |
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| 12:54.58 | JademusSreg | I know Bounty. |
| 12:55.55 | JademusSreg | I'll ask him about it. |
| 12:57.38 | JademusSreg | I'm sure he'd be interested, it's a matter of finding someone on EU he can trust to publish. |
| 12:58.16 | Vexal|2 | don't trust the brits |
| 12:58.26 | Deaod | :( |
| 12:58.30 | Vexal|2 | they smoke fags and abort bunnies |
| 12:58.32 | Stewox | JademusSerg he doesn't trust me |
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| 12:58.37 | Deaod | im sure raos very sad to hear that. |
| 12:58.54 | Demonette | Hi guys... there isn't an ability to create unit in an transporter or? like the meatwagon in wc3 |
| 12:59.10 | Vexal|2 | wwhat |
| 12:59.12 | Vexal|2 | what* |
| 12:59.18 | Vexal|2 | can you restructure your question. |
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| 12:59.39 | Deaod | he wants to create a unit inside a transport |
| 12:59.48 | Deaod | that what i think he wants to do |
| 12:59.53 | JademusSreg | Pretty sure you could do it. |
| 12:59.53 | Deaod | thats* |
| 12:59.54 | Demonette | Yeah |
| 12:59.59 | Demonette | With data? |
| 13:00.00 | JademusSreg | Or at least fake it. |
| 13:00.10 | Demonette | XD yeah |
| 13:00.17 | Demonette | as always it seems... faky fake! |
| 13:00.19 | JademusSreg | Yeah, I mean we even have effects that iterate transport cargo. |
| 13:00.35 | Vexal|2 | i remember when i learned iterators |
| 13:00.42 | Vexal|2 | i still don't get them. |
| 13:00.55 | Demonette | Well i know what an iterator is |
| 13:00.59 | Vexal|2 | me too. |
| 13:01.00 | Vexal|2 | and i get them. |
| 13:01.08 | Demonette | but i have no idea what the iterate transport effect does |
| 13:01.20 | Deaod | that seems a bit contradictory to your previous statement |
| 13:01.21 | Vexal|2 | it probably performs an effect for each unit or on each unit in the transport |
| 13:01.42 | Vexal|2 | deaod i learned them in the time between my first statement and the next. |
| 13:01.54 | Vexal|2 | it just clicked. |
| 13:01.57 | Deaod | unlikely but possible. |
| 13:02.04 | Demonette | Oh spicy! |
| 13:02.05 | Deaod | :) |
| 13:02.23 | Demonette | I see that the iterate transport does |
| 13:02.25 | JademusSreg | You could create a unit via effect, with an effect on the Create Unit effect of Issue Order type, have it issue an order to enter the source unit, or order the source unit to load the created unit. |
| 13:02.36 | Demonette | it uses effects on all units in the transporter |
| 13:02.39 | Demonette | thats pretty nice |
| 13:02.42 | JademusSreg | Whichever one works. |
| 13:02.47 | JademusSreg | Yeah. |
| 13:03.25 | JademusSreg | Iterateamajig could be used to make healing transports, maybe. =) |
| 13:03.29 | Demonette | yeah... but does order queues are pretty broken =/ or well they can often create glitches |
| 13:03.42 | JademusSreg | Do they? |
| 13:03.48 | JademusSreg | Have you seen the Herd ability? |
| 13:03.56 | Demonette | Yeah... but i thought it's better to make this with add behaviour on entering the transporter |
| 13:04.04 | Demonette | i have seen herd |
| 13:04.12 | JademusSreg | It's an autocast ability that issues a move order to the caster to move toward the target unit. |
| 13:04.13 | Demonette | i never tried that one out... did you? |
| 13:04.25 | Demonette | mmhh |
| 13:04.34 | JademusSreg | Uses an Issue Order effect. |
| 13:04.54 | Demonette | do you think i can use the iterate transport to create units inside? XD |
| 13:05.02 | Deaod | nope |
| 13:05.18 | Deaod | as an iterator can only do things to units already inside the transport |
| 13:05.44 | Demonette | Mmmhh |
| 13:05.54 | Demonette | so it doesn't walks true the transport slots? |
| 13:06.42 | Demonette | damn |
| 13:06.49 | Demonette | through |
| 13:06.52 | Demonette | well what ever |
| 13:06.55 | Demonette | mmmhh |
| 13:07.36 | JademusSreg | Give my suggestion a try, see if it is viable. |
| 13:08.53 | Demonette | myeah |
| 13:11.59 | Demonette | But won't i see the unit for a short moment? |
| 13:12.01 | Demonette | .... |
| 13:12.02 | JademusSreg | Unrelated, this looks neat, http://store.steampowered.com/app/91200/ |
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| 13:12.23 | JademusSreg | Dunno. That's what I mean by testing its viability. |
| 13:13.04 | JademusSreg | If that is problematic, I may have an idea. |
| 13:20.47 | JManV|Work | going to tigers opening day today, w00t! :) |
| 13:22.17 | JademusSreg | Is that a sports team? =D |
| 13:22.24 | JademusSreg | Sounds like a sports team. |
| 13:22.38 | JManV|Work | yeah |
| 13:22.40 | JManV|Work | baseball |
| 13:22.49 | JManV|Work | captain obvlivious |
| 13:23.00 | JademusSreg | Otherwise you have an inordinate interest in the animal. |
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| 13:23.12 | JManV|Work | tigers are awesome |
| 13:23.20 | Stewox | anyone has idea |
| 13:23.26 | Stewox | to work with CREEP footprints |
| 13:23.33 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 13:23.35 | JManV|Work | they act just like regular cats, just they're really big and can eat your head |
| 13:23.35 | Stewox | theres' medium creep growth |
| 13:23.37 | Stewox | and large |
| 13:23.42 | Stewox | but i want to make it larger |
| 13:23.47 | JManV|Work | i've played with it before |
| 13:23.51 | Stewox | i just want more radius |
| 13:23.55 | JademusSreg | So make a new one? |
| 13:23.58 | JManV|Work | create a bigger footprint |
| 13:24.03 | Stewox | how |
| 13:24.05 | Stewox | Shape |
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| 13:24.21 | Stewox | and layers |
| 13:24.28 | JManV|Work | i did a huge one that spread instantly and left almost as instantly |
| 13:24.28 | Stewox | that's complex stuff |
| 13:24.31 | Stewox | never saw it |
| 13:24.34 | JManV|Work | so the creep followed the unit around |
| 13:24.41 | JademusSreg | Awesome. |
| 13:24.51 | JManV|Work | yeah, it was pretty cool |
| 13:24.52 | JademusSreg | Anyway, custom footprints are fun. |
| 13:25.05 | JManV|Work | it was one of my first game concepts |
| 13:25.15 | JManV|Work | the idea was you spawned units from a flying unit |
| 13:25.20 | JademusSreg | But the footprint editor is buggy, so beware. |
| 13:25.35 | JademusSreg | Each time you edit it, you will need to redraw the shape. |
| 13:25.37 | Stewox | yah and laggy too |
| 13:25.39 | JManV|Work | zerg could only spawn on creep, but they're flying unit spawned creep wherever he wenht |
| 13:25.39 | Stewox | what's not :9 |
| 13:25.55 | JManV|Work | and the protoss flying unit was a power source |
| 13:25.57 | JademusSreg | Layers data is retained, at least. |
| 13:26.33 | JManV|Work | i don't have that map here tho |
| 13:26.39 | JManV|Work | and it's been a long time since i did it |
| 13:26.50 | JManV|Work | *but* i knew almost nothing at the time |
| 13:26.51 | JademusSreg | And custom footprints aren't displayed in the editor unless they are in a mod dependency. |
| 13:26.54 | JManV|Work | and i was able to figure it out |
| 13:27.53 | Stewox | i have a map and a mod |
| 13:27.57 | JademusSreg | Rodrigo in the most recent news post: "If Debates had achievements, Debates would be popular." |
| 13:28.05 | JademusSreg | Wakka wakka |
| 13:28.13 | Stewox | testmap has a mod as dependency |
| 13:28.26 | Stewox | alo |
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| 13:28.43 | Stewox | there is difference between medium and large footprint |
| 13:28.43 | JManV|Work | oh dear god |
| 13:28.47 | Stewox | the radius is the same |
| 13:28.51 | JManV|Work | he's delusional |
| 13:28.53 | JademusSreg | Guys, Debates is so important and revolutionary we should never talk about anything else ever. |
| 13:28.58 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 13:29.06 | JManV|Work | except for good games? |
| 13:29.10 | Stewox | but the stuff is wacky , |
| 13:30.25 | Stewox | what i need to do to make it larger in the end |
| 13:30.31 | Stewox | i know there's 3 separate stuff |
| 13:30.32 | Stewox | build |
| 13:30.33 | Stewox | start |
| 13:30.48 | Stewox | and Footprint |
| 13:31.36 | Stewox | Footprint for final , start for creation , and build for underconstruction ? |
| 13:33.00 | Stewox | so i don't have to edit anything else except Y X |
| 13:33.27 | Stewox | Resolution , Brush , Type ... etc |
| 13:33.58 | Stewox | SCALE |
| 13:34.14 | Stewox | so i made 6 duplicates ( 3 each , Larger and Huge ) |
| 13:34.49 | Stewox | and i don't have to edit any of those tens of values , only scale it larger and will be fine ? |
| 13:35.09 | Stewox | ~seen purl |
| 13:35.18 | purl | purl <ibot@rikers.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #botpark, 104d 4h 9m 2s ago, saying: 'hello, alezakos'. |
| 13:35.49 | Stewox | purl say hello |
| 13:35.50 | purl | hello |
| 13:36.16 | Stewox | JmanV|work , ehm |
| 13:36.56 | JManV|Work | im at work and i'm not going to open the editor. you're just going to have to figure it out |
| 13:37.55 | JademusSreg | Stewox, I said before that when you open the shape editor, it resets the values. |
| 13:38.09 | Stewox | oh |
| 13:38.22 | JademusSreg | You must redraw it each time. |
| 13:38.22 | Stewox | but 3x3 Y X remains |
| 13:38.33 | Stewox | theres one with 25x25 |
| 13:38.33 | Skizot | purl say YO MOM AND DEM |
| 13:38.33 | purl | YO MOM AND DEM |
| 13:38.54 | JademusSreg | Not dimensions. Look at any footprint shape and you will see it is blank. |
| 13:39.03 | JademusSreg | Because the editor is bugged. |
| 13:39.10 | JademusSreg | It does not draw the shape data. |
| 13:39.19 | Stewox | yeah, it is blank , some square appear |
| 13:39.21 | JademusSreg | It is absurdly write-only. |
| 13:39.41 | JademusSreg | Layer data, on the other hand, read writes properly. |
| 13:40.17 | JademusSreg | I'm going to check the xml. |
| 13:40.34 | Stewox | okay ... blizzard makes 8x6 for Large |
| 13:40.39 | Stewox | that is the Footprints name |
| 13:40.48 | Stewox | makeCreep8x6 |
| 13:41.14 | Stewox | medium is 4x4 |
| 13:41.26 | Stewox | but the Shape radius is the same numerically , 7.75 |
| 13:41.44 | JademusSreg | You're fortunate. =D |
| 13:41.47 | Stewox | Shape and Layer opens the same previewer/editor for me , don't see difference |
| 13:42.02 | JademusSreg | It has no defined shape, so you're not loosing any data. |
| 13:42.11 | JademusSreg | Lucky dog! |
| 13:42.39 | Stewox | i didn't change anything yet |
| 13:43.47 | Stewox | how do i calculate 8x6 in cell size to the X Y size of the editor ? |
| 13:43.56 | JademusSreg | Creep source footprints don't define any shapes, only layers. So changing the dimension and painting the check and placement layers is all you need to do. |
| 13:44.36 | JademusSreg | Resolution doesn't effect layers. |
| 13:44.43 | JademusSreg | So it's 1:1. |
| 13:45.01 | Stewox | Shape offset , Shape Radius , both state some values ... .10 -11 , etc ,... |
| 13:45.59 | JademusSreg | Source start and grown does. |
| 13:46.19 | JademusSreg | So if you want to retain those values, you might want to do this via xml. |
| 13:46.45 | JademusSreg | My mistake; I forgot it used 3 footprints. |
| 13:46.50 | Stewox | so Footprint editing is not really supported , ex , editor is heavily bugged ? |
| 13:46.55 | JademusSreg | 2/3 use shapes. |
| 13:47.00 | Stewox | yes.. that's why im telling you |
| 13:47.03 | Stewox | Start |
| 13:47.05 | Stewox | Build |
| 13:47.07 | Stewox | Footprint |
| 13:47.20 | JademusSreg | It's bugs are narrow and deep, you could say. =) |
| 13:47.30 | JademusSreg | *Its |
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| 13:47.53 | Stewox | not many bugs, but those that are , are really big :) |
| 13:48.16 | JademusSreg | Use an mpq editor to modify the FootprintData.xml file in the map. |
| 13:48.44 | Stewox | i duplicated them , all 3 for Larger and Huge |
| 13:48.55 | Stewox | so there will be all of this in the mod file right ? |
| 13:49.06 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 13:49.27 | Stewox | okay this is the footprint |
| 13:49.34 | Stewox | what about the behavior that calls this footprint |
| 13:49.43 | Stewox | everything fine there |
| 13:49.59 | Stewox | that would be another thing , tnx for now |
| 13:50.14 | JademusSreg | Nothing buggy that requires my attention, I'd say. |
| 13:50.22 | Stewox | i will open up , will get back as to what do i actually need to edit inside the XML |
| 13:50.32 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 13:51.18 | Stewox | just a sec |
| 13:51.21 | Stewox | almost |
| 13:52.06 | Stewox | okay |
| 13:52.09 | Stewox | got it open |
| 13:52.13 | Stewox | look funny :D |
| 13:52.20 | Stewox | ...00... |
| 13:52.21 | Ashamed | bounty |
| 13:52.30 | Ashamed | not here :( |
| 13:52.34 | Ashamed | ~seen bounty |
| 13:52.36 | purl | bounty <442d304d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.45.48.77> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 8h 56m 17s ago, saying: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5aLQo_AYNk&feature=player_embedded'. |
| 13:52.43 | Ashamed | bastard |
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| 14:06.00 | Ashamed | good morning all |
| 14:06.01 | Ashamed | its friday |
| 14:06.04 | Ashamed | the best day of all! |
| 14:06.07 | JManV|Work | t'is |
| 14:06.14 | JManV|Work | and i'm only working half the day |
| 14:06.16 | JManV|Work | w00t! |
| 14:06.22 | Ashamed | you fucker |
| 14:06.31 | JManV|Work | i know. i'm awesome |
| 14:06.39 | Dustin|Lappy | Mornin gents |
| 14:06.50 | Ashamed | lol |
| 14:06.55 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 14:06.58 | Ashamed | jmanv fucker usally does not stand for awesome |
| 14:07.02 | Ashamed | just to let you know |
| 14:07.06 | JademusSreg | Moening. |
| 14:07.17 | JManV|Work | doesn't dismiss the fact that i AM awesome |
| 14:07.46 | JManV|Work | my boss and co-workers and I are going to an afternoon baseball game |
| 14:07.48 | Stewox | Jademusserg http://www.megaupload.com/?d=GD6XEVCX |
| 14:07.55 | JManV|Work | so i'll be drinking during work hours |
| 14:08.19 | Dustin|Lappy | I think im going to port over my Turn Defense SC1 map http://www.staredit.net/topic/13608/ to SC2! |
| 14:08.25 | Ashamed | i do that like once a weeek jman |
| 14:08.27 | Ashamed | not the baseball game |
| 14:08.35 | Ashamed | but the drinking on work hours |
| 14:08.46 | JManV|Work | well, i won't be AT work :P |
| 14:08.52 | Dustin|Lappy | Doobie on smoke break TBH :P |
| 14:08.52 | Ashamed | yeah which is nice :) |
| 14:09.14 | Ashamed | brb |
| 14:09.16 | Ashamed | need to close firefox |
| 14:09.25 | JademusSreg | Pastebin, dropbox, imugr |
| 14:09.37 | Dustin|Lappy | ? |
| 14:09.41 | JademusSreg | *imgur |
| 14:10.05 | Dustin|Lappy | lol iMugr sounds like an apple device that will mug people for you |
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| 14:11.40 | Ashamed | back |
| 14:11.43 | Ashamed | sdfakjdf sdddsfkdsflksdf k |
| 14:12.02 | JademusSreg | Megaupload, mediafire, rapidshare, these sites are filthy, dirty places, hives of scum and villainy. |
| 14:12.45 | Dustin|Lappy | ^ |
| 14:12.51 | Stewox | Jademusserg http://pastebin.com/E5csMdND |
| 14:12.57 | Dustin|Lappy | filedropper.com |
| 14:13.03 | Dustin|Lappy | is my fav for big files |
| 14:14.28 | JademusSreg | Alright, Stew, what's up? |
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| 14:15.12 | Ashamed | back again |
| 14:15.15 | Ashamed | w00t |
| 14:15.24 | Stewox | so |
| 14:15.26 | JManV|Work | wb |
| 14:15.33 | Stewox | i don't know what to edit in the xml anyways |
| 14:15.54 | JademusSreg | You can defines the layer area where it says Area, row values are flagged with characters. |
| 14:16.06 | JademusSreg | This will retain the shape. |
| 14:16.24 | JademusSreg | And allow you to change layers, |
| 14:17.16 | Ashamed | jman we doing map night tonight? |
| 14:17.45 | JManV|Work | yeah |
| 14:17.48 | Stewox | which are the things i don't need to change , i only want to scale it bigger in everyway .. i don't want to change the calue |
| 14:17.48 | JManV|Work | 9pm eastern |
| 14:17.52 | Stewox | shape |
| 14:17.56 | Stewox | i just want it bigger |
| 14:17.58 | Stewox | that is all |
| 14:17.59 | JManV|Work | 6 pacific |
| 14:18.01 | Stewox | nothing more |
| 14:18.35 | Ashamed | 7 for me :) |
| 14:18.37 | Stewox | but i don't know what would correspond to 9x7 and 12x10 since i don't know from what they gather this cell size |
| 14:19.08 | JademusSreg | To scale it larger, first you'll modify the Area field on both layers. |
| 14:19.41 | JademusSreg | Then adds rows and columns to the Rows. |
| 14:19.47 | Stewox | layers |
| 14:19.59 | Stewox | to be honest |
| 14:20.25 | Stewox | i don't even know the difference between those 3 different footprints other than used for event |
| 14:20.30 | Stewox | final, start , and underconstruction |
| 14:20.56 | JademusSreg | Seems pretty obvious. |
| 14:21.07 | Stewox | should we start |
| 14:21.11 | JademusSreg | Underconstruction is used while the unit is under construction. |
| 14:21.16 | Stewox | with 12x10 first |
| 14:21.23 | JademusSreg | Start is used when the units finishes contruction. |
| 14:21.32 | Stewox | yeah , this is what im ASSUMING , not what i know |
| 14:21.35 | JademusSreg | Final is the extent to which is will grow. |
| 14:21.51 | JademusSreg | If start matches final, for examplem the growth will be instant. |
| 14:22.00 | Stewox | ... oh |
| 14:22.09 | Stewox | okay |
| 14:22.25 | Stewox | what controls the time to reach final ? behavior ? |
| 14:22.37 | JademusSreg | Probably. |
| 14:22.54 | JademusSreg | So Area="-4,-4,5,5" |
| 14:23.14 | JademusSreg | Area is using Cartesian coords, so changing that is simple. |
| 14:23.39 | Stewox | okay i have pastebin opened |
| 14:23.48 | Stewox | Footprint12x10CreepSourceBuild |
| 14:23.50 | Stewox | this is the first |
| 14:24.18 | Stewox | we need to figure out first , 12x10 is |
| 14:24.22 | JademusSreg | That's the construction footprint. |
| 14:24.46 | Stewox | so i don't need to duplicate all of them , 3 for each ? |
| 14:24.51 | Stewox | or edit |
| 14:25.29 | JademusSreg | Always make your own objects. Editing values is too vulnerable to getting fucked by a patch. |
| 14:25.37 | JademusSreg | It's also disorganized. |
| 14:25.41 | Stewox | because im making an increment , when you build hatchery it's large , lair = larger , hive = huge |
| 14:26.05 | JademusSreg | Neat. |
| 14:26.17 | Stewox | disorganized , no , manual editing is great , i just have no idea with this stuff |
| 14:26.47 | Stewox | how can a mod be affected by a patch ? |
| 14:26.58 | Stewox | they patch the original stuff , not the modified |
| 14:27.02 | JademusSreg | Data dependencies. |
| 14:27.37 | Stewox | well that's really something we can prevent |
| 14:27.42 | Stewox | can't |
| 14:28.00 | Stewox | Footprint12x10CreepSourceBuild |
| 14:28.12 | Stewox | this is actually duplicated 8x6 |
| 14:28.17 | JademusSreg | Duplicated objects and added objects are less vulnerable, because the core objects use as parents are less likely to be changed each patch. |
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| 14:29.04 | JademusSreg | Whereas someone modifying the Marine actor will very likely get fucked by a patch. |
| 14:29.58 | JademusSreg | My daughter is awake. brb |
| 14:30.00 | Stewox | exactly , that's why i dislike this editor's approach of taking everything as a link , i much more like Whole duplicates to be able to edit whatever there is need to , editor doesn't really have support for TC mods |
| 14:30.18 | Ashamed | yeah i dunno why they didnt make soemthing liek war3 |
| 14:30.50 | Ashamed | i hate DATA |
| 14:32.33 | Stewox | data is just simplified programming , parameter stuff doesn't need advanced languages |
| 14:32.45 | Stewox | you could write everything in scripts if you wanted |
| 14:34.28 | Stewox | that's why i dislike the editor's plugin-style approach to scripting , i would like to open a special mod file , have all the data (xml) and scripts (galaxy) that builds the game and just start from there , load that into editor and you have a TC mod ready deployment |
| 14:34.42 | Ashamed | jman when i get home tonight i am goign to try to make a small test for my td map :) |
| 14:34.47 | Ashamed | so we can play it tonight |
| 14:34.57 | Ashamed | but it wont be very complete lol |
| 14:35.44 | JManV|Work | i'd really rather not get in the habit of running incomplete maps on map night |
| 14:36.00 | JManV|Work | because then everyone will want to, and no one will actually want to play |
| 14:36.21 | Helral|Work | so any maps already planned for tonight ;p |
| 14:37.10 | Ashamed | :( i was going to make it complete to a point |
| 14:37.18 | Ashamed | i wasn't going to release it unless there was something to play lol |
| 14:37.26 | JManV|Work | generally i prefer them to be published and ready for general play |
| 14:37.34 | JManV|Work | (publicly) published |
| 14:37.34 | Ashamed | ok |
| 14:37.43 | Ashamed | well then you guys dont get to see it :) |
| 14:37.44 | Ashamed | bummer |
| 14:38.07 | JManV|Work | i'm sorry, but if i start letting ppl "test' maps on map night, the flood gates will open |
| 14:38.15 | Helral|Work | yup |
| 14:38.23 | Ashamed | i didn't realize you wernt doing that |
| 14:38.24 | JManV|Work | and then the people playing will get annoyed, because they came to play |
| 14:38.46 | JManV|Work | we're more trying out games that are already published |
| 14:39.00 | Helral|Work | what time does mapnight usually start? ;p |
| 14:39.04 | Ashamed | NEVER |
| 14:39.07 | Ashamed | IT DOESN'T START |
| 14:39.21 | JManV|Work | usually 8pm eastern |
| 14:39.25 | JManV|Work | today 9pm eastern |
| 14:39.37 | JManV|Work | i think i may keep it at 9, for the west coasters |
| 14:39.47 | Ashamed | dont think thats a bit late ? |
| 14:40.00 | Ashamed | i guess it is friday |
| 14:40.04 | Ashamed | and we ARE nerds |
| 14:40.07 | Ashamed | so none of us have lifes |
| 14:40.11 | JManV|Work | we played until 4am last week |
| 14:40.29 | JManV|Work | if we player for 7 hours instead of 8 because we started a little later... i can deal with that |
| 14:40.37 | JManV|Work | i think we'll get more ppl initially if we wait |
| 14:40.37 | Ashamed | lol |
| 14:40.47 | Ashamed | i get bored playing sc2 custom maps :( |
| 14:40.56 | Ashamed | most of them can't hold my attention |
| 14:41.06 | JManV|Work | we've found a few gems |
| 14:41.13 | JManV|Work | and sometimes its fun playing really bad maps |
| 14:41.18 | Ashamed | lol |
| 14:41.21 | Helral|Work | JManV|Work: damn and here I was wondering bout the EU mapnight ;p |
| 14:41.22 | Ashamed | like that one map |
| 14:41.25 | Ashamed | that crashed us all |
| 14:41.28 | JManV|Work | depending on the level of badness |
| 14:41.36 | JManV|Work | oh, im sorry helral |
| 14:41.43 | Ashamed | i thoguht so helral |
| 14:41.43 | JManV|Work | yeah, check the thread |
| 14:41.47 | Ashamed | i was like wait isn't that fool EU |
| 14:41.53 | JManV|Work | i think it starts in ~2 hours? |
| 14:42.07 | Helral|Work | yeah I was already checking it since you said west-coasters |
| 14:42.21 | Ashamed | yeah we west-coasters helral |
| 14:42.27 | Ashamed | we too cool for EU |
| 14:42.31 | Helral|Work | I don't keep track of who here are on NA or EU ;p |
| 14:42.32 | JManV|Work | heh |
| 14:42.41 | Ashamed | i am actually a middle coaster :) |
| 14:42.44 | JManV|Work | i forgot you were EU |
| 14:42.52 | Helral|Work | I'm usually on a Roller Coaster ;p |
| 14:42.55 | Ashamed | i mean techically i am on the west coast |
| 14:42.59 | JManV|Work | yeah, i think it's 7pm your time |
| 14:43.02 | Ashamed | but i am like 2 hours away from the east coast |
| 14:43.12 | Helral|Work | technically I am on the west coast as well ;p |
| 14:43.34 | Helral|Work | the east coast is a wee bit far away ;p |
| 14:43.48 | JManV|Work | a bit... |
| 14:43.56 | Ashamed | continental devide is right in the mountains i live next to |
| 14:44.08 | JManV|Work | like... another continent |
| 14:44.09 | Helral|Work | well it's only at china.... the east coast... |
| 14:44.29 | Ashamed | we drive to a place called vail |
| 14:44.34 | Ashamed | and we are on the east coast >< |
| 14:45.12 | Ashamed | i live in the coolest state in America |
| 14:45.15 | Helral|Work | hmmm I know the term veil but vail? or doesn't it have another meaning ;p |
| 14:45.21 | JManV|Work | i practically live in canada |
| 14:45.41 | Helral|Work | I live in a cooler state of America the state "none" |
| 14:45.43 | JManV|Work | kinda not really |
| 14:45.56 | JManV|Work | that is cooler than any state in america |
| 14:46.11 | Helral|Work | btw I can drive to america :) |
| 14:46.16 | Helral|Work | without crossing the ocean. |
| 14:47.00 | JManV|Work | in how many days? |
| 14:47.23 | Helral|Work | 1 |
| 14:47.30 | JManV|Work | how so? |
| 14:47.53 | Helral|Work | It's a town here ;p |
| 14:48.07 | JManV|Work | oh |
| 14:48.30 | Ashamed | oh and helral vail is a sky resort in colorado >< |
| 14:48.44 | Ashamed | like one of the best sky resorts in America .. or its said to be |
| 14:48.47 | Ashamed | i dunno |
| 14:48.54 | Ashamed | alot of "celeberties ski " here |
| 14:48.55 | JManV|Work | well, we have a street called wyoming... doesn't mean i'm driving to wyoming :P |
| 14:48.58 | Ashamed | i dunno why i am saying sky |
| 14:48.58 | Ashamed | lol |
| 14:49.05 | JManV|Work | we also have a city called Hell |
| 14:49.14 | Stewox | Helral|work |
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| 14:49.25 | Stewox | the queen's spawn |
| 14:49.30 | Stewox | doesn't work |
| 14:49.31 | JManV|Work | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell,_Michigan |
| 14:49.36 | Stewox | it act's a bit better |
| 14:49.37 | Helral|Work | http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=nl&geocode=&q=Kabroekstraat,+America,+Nederland&aq=0&sll=51.435096,5.976305&sspn=0.016159,0.045447&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Kabroekstraat,+America,+Horst+aan+de+Maas,+Limburg,+Nederland&ll=51.437611,5.980554&spn=0.008413,0.022724&z=16 |
| 14:49.43 | Helral|Work | bit long url ;p |
| 14:49.46 | Stewox | but still no animation |
| 14:50.20 | Stewox | i don't know what the heck is wrong |
| 14:50.23 | JManV|Work | you are nederlander, helral? |
| 14:50.29 | Ashamed | well helral ironicly i can go to nederland tomorrow :) |
| 14:50.30 | Helral|Work | I'm dutch yea. |
| 14:50.41 | JManV|Work | i did not realize. that's awesome |
| 14:50.48 | Helral|Work | lol |
| 14:50.48 | Ashamed | http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&sugexp=ldymls&xhr=t&q=nederland+co&cp=10&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=Nederland,+CO&gl=us&ei=wSCfTZKkB82_tgeWmsn7Ag&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=image&resnum=1&sqi=2&ved=0CBgQ8gEwAA |
| 14:51.00 | Ashamed | i live right next to that town :) |
| 14:51.11 | JManV|Work | my family is very, very dutch. my dad was born in gronigen |
| 14:51.14 | Helral|Work | hehehe :) |
| 14:51.24 | Helral|Work | JManV|Work: Groningen prolly ;p |
| 14:51.28 | JManV|Work | (sp) |
| 14:51.32 | JManV|Work | yeah |
| 14:51.40 | JManV|Work | well, i've never been |
| 14:51.44 | JManV|Work | but i've always wanted to |
| 14:51.56 | JManV|Work | and i still have some family back in the "old country" |
| 14:52.08 | Ashamed | so helral i live within 30 minutes of that place.. so you can track me down and kill me if you want |
| 14:52.16 | Helral|Work | hehehe |
| 14:52.43 | Ashamed | i bout a marjuana plant off a hippy in nederland it was a blueberry / ak-47 / northen light . Strain |
| 14:52.43 | JManV|Work | last name VanderBerg... so... :P |
| 14:52.55 | Ashamed | bought* |
| 14:52.59 | JManV|Work | i'm super dutch... cape and all. |
| 14:53.07 | Dustin|Lappy | Anyone know how to hide this fucking message boxo n the editor |
| 14:53.22 | Helral|Work | nope I usually leave it open and hidden ;p |
| 14:53.35 | Helral|Work | just drag it out of my screen instead of closing it. |
| 14:53.38 | JManV|Work | you know what they say: if you ain't dutch... go fuck yourself |
| 14:53.52 | Ashamed | ia m not dutch :( |
| 14:53.53 | JManV|Work | hmmm... i don't think that's exactly what they say |
| 14:53.55 | Helral|Work | lucky me, I dont have to go fuck myself :P |
| 14:53.56 | Ashamed | i am itailan |
| 14:54.06 | Ashamed | so does that mean i have to go fuck myself ? |
| 14:54.16 | JManV|Work | i think so |
| 14:54.28 | Helral|Work | if you listen to what JManV|Work says ;p |
| 14:54.43 | JManV|Work | why wouldn't everyone listen to what i say, always? |
| 14:54.58 | Helral|Work | JManV|Work: sry did you say something? |
| 14:55.02 | JManV|Work | nope. |
| 14:55.09 | Dustin|Lappy | Ohh good plan Helral|afk |
| 14:55.16 | JManV|Work | at any matter - dutch licorice is the bomb |
| 14:55.18 | Helral|Work | ow ok then I did hear it correctly. |
| 14:55.33 | Helral|afk | Dustin|Lappy: what plan? |
| 14:55.58 | Dustin|Lappy | [09:53am] <Helral|Work> just drag it out of my screen instead of closing it. |
| 14:56.04 | JManV|Work | nobody i know ever seems to like it, but i grew up on the stuff |
| 14:56.07 | Helral|Work | ahh that one :) |
| 14:56.10 | Helral|Work | yeah :P |
| 14:56.11 | JManV|Work | and i love me some dutch licorice |
| 14:56.20 | Helral|Work | roflol I totally forgot already that someone asked that ;p |
| 14:57.58 | Dustin|Lappy | lol |
| 14:58.13 | Helral|Work | my memeory isn't worth anything ;p |
| 14:58.21 | Helral|Work | anyways I'm logging off at work now ;p |
| 14:58.26 | Helral|Work | gonna drive homewards :) |
| 14:58.42 | JManV|Work | YOU MAY NOT! |
| 14:59.00 | Ashamed | NO |
| 14:59.00 | Helral|Work | purl kill JManV|Work with a banana |
| 14:59.01 | purl | ACTION shoots a charged graviton gun at JManV|Work with a banana |
| 14:59.12 | Helral|Work | thank you purl |
| 14:59.17 | Helral|Work | so I'll be off now :) |
| 14:59.20 | Ashamed | NO |
| 14:59.25 | Ashamed | you must stat at work |
| 14:59.26 | Ashamed | for evefr |
| 14:59.28 | Ashamed | ever |
| 14:59.36 | Helral|Work | purl kill Ashamed with a dog |
| 14:59.36 | purl | ACTION shoots a super-inverse pseudoneutron gun at Ashamed with a dog |
| 14:59.37 | JManV|Work | and ever, and ever, and ever |
| 14:59.46 | Helral|Work | cya :) dead folks ;p |
| 15:00.29 | Ashamed | its only 9 am |
| 15:00.30 | Ashamed | not fair |
| 15:00.43 | Ashamed | everyone gets to leave work before me today :( |
| 15:00.46 | Ashamed | helral does |
| 15:00.47 | Ashamed | Jman |
| 15:00.49 | JManV|Work | 11 am here |
| 15:00.51 | Ashamed | who else? |
| 15:00.54 | Ashamed | OMG |
| 15:01.02 | JManV|Work | leaving work in about 2 hours |
| 15:01.09 | Ashamed | you fucking little bastard |
| 15:01.12 | Ashamed | i could kill you right now |
| 15:01.23 | Ashamed | its only 11 here in 2 hours |
| 15:01.35 | Ashamed | that will mark half way point of my day :( |
| 15:01.39 | Dustin|Lappy | 10ammmm |
| 15:02.41 | *** join/#sc2mapster Ashamed (20616e3e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.32.97.110.62) |
| 15:03.22 | Dekar | im so lucky i dont have to work :> |
| 15:06.27 | Ashamed | you live with mom and dad still ? |
| 15:09.15 | Dustin|Lappy | I wish I didnt have to work :( |
| 15:11.13 | Ashamed | me too |
| 15:11.18 | Ashamed | never work again |
| 15:11.23 | Ashamed | be a lazy stoner |
| 15:11.30 | Dustin|Lappy | Thats my goal |
| 15:11.51 | Ashamed | i would kill for that |
| 15:12.28 | *** join/#sc2mapster Bounty (442d304d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.45.48.77) |
| 15:12.33 | Bounty | SIXEN |
| 15:12.36 | JademusSreg | Hi Bounty. |
| 15:12.38 | Bounty | I can haz news? |
| 15:12.38 | Ashamed | he says FUCK OFF |
| 15:12.43 | Dustin|Lappy | Shut your face Bounty! |
| 15:12.45 | Bounty | Howdy Jade |
| 15:12.45 | JademusSreg | Stewox expresses an interest in Speedcraft. |
| 15:12.46 | Ashamed | NO YOU CAN NOT HAX NEWS |
| 15:12.51 | Bounty | lol stfu |
| 15:12.55 | Ashamed | your map is but a mini game |
| 15:12.55 | Dustin|Lappy | Your map is full of griefers :P |
| 15:13.00 | Ashamed | its not concidered a MAP |
| 15:13.05 | Bounty | what map dustin? |
| 15:13.11 | Dustin|Lappy | that Grav ball thing :P |
| 15:13.17 | Bounty | how so |
| 15:13.18 | JademusSreg | Ah hahaha |
| 15:13.19 | Ashamed | i gave him the idea guys |
| 15:13.19 | Dustin|Lappy | Where peopel just spammed me with nades |
| 15:13.25 | Ashamed | just to let y'all know |
| 15:13.46 | Bounty | well you shouldnt be able to get stunlocked |
| 15:13.50 | Dustin|Lappy | Oh oh oh feedback bounty |
| 15:14.00 | Dustin|Lappy | Make Right click shoot the ball after you have it |
| 15:14.01 | JademusSreg | Congrats, Ash. If there were awards for ideas, it would get the Bronze. =D |
| 15:14.08 | Dustin|Lappy | Cause I kept shooting it on accident |
| 15:14.24 | Bounty | sounds good >< |
| 15:14.25 | Stewox | Jademusserg what about you |
| 15:14.36 | Stewox | you do it |
| 15:14.36 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 15:14.37 | Ashamed | lol |
| 15:14.38 | Bounty | how did you play dustin? |
| 15:14.39 | Ashamed | ty jade |
| 15:14.49 | Bounty | its on the bottom of the list lol |
| 15:14.49 | Dustin|Lappy | You invited me to play the other day fool :P |
| 15:14.52 | JademusSreg | What about me? |
| 15:14.55 | Stewox | you know what |
| 15:14.56 | Bounty | oh |
| 15:14.58 | Bounty | lol |
| 15:15.01 | Bounty | yeah |
| 15:15.02 | Ashamed | i feel very accomplished now :) |
| 15:15.05 | Bounty | i fixed the grenade thing Dustin =P |
| 15:15.08 | Bounty | u cant spam them now |
| 15:15.16 | Stewox | you try it |
| 15:15.18 | JademusSreg | Cool, Bounty. |
| 15:15.19 | Bounty | that was pretty bad though |
| 15:15.33 | JademusSreg | I'd suggest increasing the animation speed on the beam use. |
| 15:15.36 | Bounty | Still cant believe i could be so stupid >< |
| 15:15.47 | Bounty | To think allowing spammable grenades that stun people would not be abused |
| 15:15.47 | JademusSreg | Pardon. |
| 15:15.55 | JademusSreg | Rather, fix blend time to be near instant. |
| 15:16.05 | Stewox | jademus , about the thing you pinged me |
| 15:16.09 | Dustin|Lappy | Good bounty :P |
| 15:16.14 | Dustin|Lappy | Cause that got annoying real fast lol |
| 15:16.15 | Bounty | What do you mean Jademmus? |
| 15:16.23 | Bounty | did u see th video dustin? |
| 15:16.28 | Dustin|Lappy | I have not |
| 15:16.32 | Bounty | the changes are pretty obvious in the video >< |
| 15:16.47 | Bounty | full 12 player match >< |
| 15:16.48 | Bounty | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5aLQo_AYNk |
| 15:16.49 | JademusSreg | The way to beam sweeps is due to the animation blend time. |
| 15:16.56 | JademusSreg | And the beam sweep is annoying. |
| 15:17.12 | JademusSreg | Fix the blend time, fix the sweep. |
| 15:17.23 | Bounty | i dont understand though Jade |
| 15:17.26 | Bounty | what is the problem lol |
| 15:17.32 | Bounty | with the animation |
| 15:18.14 | JademusSreg | The unit's model's blend time causes the beam to sweep. |
| 15:18.18 | Dustin|Lappy | Ohh did you speed up the marines? |
| 15:18.35 | JademusSreg | This is because the beam starts while the animations are transitioning. |
| 15:18.35 | Bounty | everything is sped up |
| 15:18.39 | Bounty | lol |
| 15:19.04 | Bounty | and the ball reflects properly now |
| 15:19.06 | Dustin|Lappy | Good, it was to slow before :P |
| 15:19.07 | Bounty | looks alot smoother |
| 15:19.36 | Bounty | I do have one question though |
| 15:19.36 | Stewox | jademus |
| 15:19.42 | Stewox | it says no such nick channel ... |
| 15:19.53 | Bounty | At the moment each player has their own thread that checks their wasd input |
| 15:19.58 | JademusSreg | The beam sweep is annoying because the delay between input and feedback (to the extent it is pointing where you're directing it) is too long. |
| 15:20.08 | Bounty | Would it run better if i had one thread for everyone |
| 15:20.09 | JademusSreg | Reducing model blend time will reduce the sweep. |
| 15:20.19 | Bounty | or should i keep it with one thread for each player |
| 15:20.28 | JademusSreg | I can't be pinged or beeped or buzzes or flashed or whatever. |
| 15:20.39 | Stewox | ah |
| 15:20.45 | Bounty | JAdemus, are you referring to the beam picking up the ball? |
| 15:20.49 | Dustin|Lappy | Id keep seperate threads |
| 15:20.53 | Bounty | bc thats not how it works >< |
| 15:21.09 | Bounty | the beam has nothign to do with picking up the ball, its just there for effect |
| 15:21.20 | JademusSreg | I know that, you ninny. |
| 15:21.35 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 15:21.50 | Bounty | btw |
| 15:21.52 | Dustin|Lappy | Im remaking my Turn Defense map from SC1 :D |
| 15:21.54 | JademusSreg | But feedback is important. The delay makes it clunky. |
| 15:22.05 | Bounty | im really shocked that Move Unit instantly has more delay then Issue Unit Order |
| 15:22.21 | JademusSreg | Cool Dustin. I hope that it exceeds the original in every way. |
| 15:22.28 | Bounty | well thats the thing Jademus |
| 15:22.34 | Dustin|Lappy | I dont know if It can |
| 15:22.36 | Bounty | the delay feedback im getting is all over the place |
| 15:22.38 | Dustin|Lappy | Turn Defense was pretty sweet |
| 15:22.46 | Bounty | some ppl say its like damn near instant |
| 15:22.51 | JademusSreg | Especially since all SC1 maps were soul-crushingly awful, given the technical limitations. |
| 15:22.51 | Bounty | others say its 1 second |
| 15:23.36 | Dustin|Lappy | JademusSreg, I made some sick shit even with the limitations |
| 15:23.45 | Dustin|Lappy | Turn Based Battle System |
| 15:23.52 | Dustin|Lappy | Was badass. |
| 15:24.18 | Ashamed | you ninna |
| 15:24.19 | JademusSreg | I hope it is turn-based tactical. <3 |
| 15:24.19 | Ashamed | ninny |
| 15:24.23 | Ashamed | i like that lol |
| 15:24.30 | Ashamed | it IS jade |
| 15:24.34 | Ashamed | you have a problem with turn based? |
| 15:24.35 | Ashamed | HUH |
| 15:24.54 | JademusSreg | =\ |
| 15:24.59 | Dustin|Lappy | The map im porting isnt TBBS |
| 15:25.02 | Dustin|Lappy | But I made one |
| 15:25.06 | Dustin|Lappy | Wish I still had it :( |
| 15:25.13 | Bounty | Jademus |
| 15:25.18 | Dustin|Lappy | Damn the times before Flashdrives and Internet backup |
| 15:25.20 | Bounty | What do you think of that thread question i asked |
| 15:25.26 | JademusSreg | Turn based is good for nuanced tactical games. |
| 15:25.29 | Bounty | What do you think would be more responsive |
| 15:26.04 | JademusSreg | I'm not talking about how responsive the controls are, Bounty. I was refering to the model's blend time. |
| 15:26.12 | Bounty | yeah i know |
| 15:26.15 | Bounty | im just saying |
| 15:26.53 | *** part/#sc2mapster Sixen (~Kevin@149-169-132-84.nat.asu.edu) |
| 15:27.05 | JademusSreg | Use one thread. It doesn't handle multiple threads concurrently. |
| 15:27.29 | Bounty | so u think one thread that handles every players movement would run better? |
| 15:27.43 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 15:27.44 | Bounty | using pick each player |
| 15:28.07 | Ashamed | bounty |
| 15:28.10 | JademusSreg | It's how I do it. |
| 15:28.12 | Ashamed | you need to fix your leadeboard |
| 15:28.29 | Bounty | =P |
| 15:28.40 | Bounty | NOU |
| 15:28.43 | Ashamed | ok :) |
| 15:28.44 | Ashamed | NOT |
| 15:28.47 | Bounty | lol |
| 15:28.53 | Ashamed | i might have a trigger for you |
| 15:29.04 | Bounty | what does it do |
| 15:29.04 | Ashamed | i already made one that detects higher numbers |
| 15:29.11 | Bounty | oo |
| 15:29.13 | Dekar | so when can we play F-Zero on EU? |
| 15:29.14 | Ashamed | it would detect the order of the players score |
| 15:29.22 | Jum-Jum | I <3 F-Zero |
| 15:29.26 | Jum-Jum | The music is the best |
| 15:29.39 | Ashamed | so the leaderboard updates with the scores |
| 15:29.47 | Bounty | Did Stewox PM u to say that Dekar |
| 15:29.52 | Jum-Jum | Does anyone remember that website or uh... band or whatever you call it that use to remake old NES songs? |
| 15:29.58 | Stewox | http://tinyurl.com/6xpfaax too bad i can't play it :( |
| 15:30.04 | Dekar | no, but i think you would like more people annoying you |
| 15:30.10 | Dekar | :D |
| 15:30.38 | Dekar | how about this: can i upload your map to EU plzplzplz? |
| 15:30.55 | Bounty | lol |
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| 15:31.38 | Bounty | ill think about it >< |
| 15:31.44 | JManV|Work | mini something? |
| 15:31.48 | Dekar | Jum-Jum real remakes or just getting influenced by them? |
| 15:32.07 | Jum-Jum | real remakes |
| 15:32.13 | Dekar | there are probably loads of them |
| 15:32.16 | Jum-Jum | cant find it, the remake was awesomesauce :| |
| 15:32.18 | JManV|Work | minibosses? |
| 15:32.22 | Dustin|Lappy | Power Glove? |
| 15:32.32 | Stewox | should i remain quiet or should i say something |
| 15:32.33 | Dekar | x-buster? |
| 15:32.35 | Jum-Jum | The best remake ever is probably Duke Nukem Theme by Megadeath |
| 15:32.45 | JManV|Work | yeah |
| 15:32.47 | JManV|Work | minibosses |
| 15:33.41 | Bounty | SO |
| 15:33.53 | Bounty | What should i make using the Gravity Gun next |
| 15:33.54 | Bounty | >< |
| 15:33.58 | JademusSreg | Anyway, like I was saying, you should do everything from a single thread, Bounty. Using multiple threads just increases the delay between the sets of operations. |
| 15:34.10 | Bounty | really? |
| 15:34.15 | Bounty | i would think it would be faster |
| 15:34.30 | JademusSreg | I can't guess why you would think that. |
| 15:34.41 | JademusSreg | Since threads aren't processed concurrently. |
| 15:34.43 | Bounty | bc to my non programmer mind it does |
| 15:35.03 | Bounty | when i think multithreading |
| 15:35.05 | JademusSreg | Or would it be clearer if I said simultaneously. |
| 15:35.18 | Bounty | i think multiple proceses get split up into their own dedicated thread so they get executed faster |
| 15:35.22 | Dekar | JademusSreg can you measure the different trigger setups and measure them somehow and then make a post with nice charts and the testmap with it? :D |
| 15:35.33 | Bounty | but thats just how i think |
| 15:35.36 | Bounty | bc i dont know programming |
| 15:35.38 | Dustin|Lappy | We use to have a trigger benchmarker in WC3 |
| 15:35.41 | Dekar | although im not sure how these could be measured |
| 15:35.44 | Dustin|Lappy | That'd be a nice tool in SC2 |
| 15:35.47 | Dustin|Lappy | So we can test shit like that |
| 15:35.50 | JademusSreg | Dekar, nope. Iduncareto. |
| 15:35.55 | Dekar | aww |
| 15:36.49 | Bounty | ok |
| 15:36.51 | Bounty | im gonna give it a shot Jade |
| 15:36.55 | Bounty | will u help me test it? |
| 15:37.00 | Bounty | to see if its better |
| 15:37.05 | JademusSreg | I'm busy as hell./ |
| 15:37.19 | Bounty | well it would only be a delay test |
| 15:37.22 | Bounty | so u would join the map |
| 15:37.25 | Bounty | press W |
| 15:37.27 | Bounty | and leave |
| 15:37.28 | Bounty | lol |
| 15:37.38 | JademusSreg | I might have time in a half hour. |
| 15:37.44 | JademusSreg | If you remeber to ask me. |
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| 15:40.33 | Dekar | ok guys, everybody use fun or not, and whoever gets the most stupid map wins |
| 15:41.08 | Dekar | ruin and clatte, hmm |
| 15:41.11 | Dekar | *clatter |
| 15:44.45 | Bounty | oh wow |
| 15:44.48 | Bounty | lol |
| 15:44.50 | Bounty | ok |
| 15:44.55 | Bounty | Ashamed or Jademussreg |
| 15:45.01 | Bounty | i need some help testing this new wasd |
| 15:45.03 | Bounty | =P |
| 15:45.08 | Bounty | just need u to tell me how responsive it feel |
| 15:45.12 | Bounty | also Jademus |
| 15:45.20 | Bounty | i think it helped the mouse click response time aswell |
| 15:45.24 | Bounty | it feels damn near instant |
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| 15:47.27 | Mexa | Afternoon! |
| 15:47.54 | JademusSreg | =D |
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| 16:04.27 | Ashamed | i cant until after work :( |
| 16:04.34 | Ashamed | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:04.35 | Ashamed | lol |
| 16:13.34 | Ashamed | i am bored |
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| 16:21.38 | Bounty | word |
| 16:24.40 | Bounty | Sixen, if GravBall doesnt get newsed then you hate America |
| 16:24.53 | Bounty | Same goes to anyone who does not play it |
| 16:24.56 | Bounty | >< |
| 16:25.35 | Sixen | I think I have something else before it, so within the next 2 days |
| 16:25.58 | Bounty | If its something about Sotis then the Terrorists win |
| 16:30.35 | Ashamed | Sixen |
| 16:30.41 | Ashamed | dont do it |
| 16:31.18 | Mexa | Bounty, a collection of your small maps would due better |
| 16:31.34 | Mexa | Go figure since you already told us the effort of that map was 2 days:P |
| 16:31.41 | Ashamed | yeah |
| 16:31.44 | Ashamed | YEAH |
| 16:31.45 | Bounty | yeah THAT map |
| 16:31.49 | Sixen | lol |
| 16:31.51 | Bounty | my other maps didnt take 2 days lol |
| 16:32.02 | Bounty | then you have to add in i would have to make them all fit on one map |
| 16:32.06 | Bounty | which almost none of them would |
| 16:32.19 | Mexa | :p |
| 16:32.27 | Ashamed | you better start figuring out how |
| 16:32.28 | Ashamed | bounty |
| 16:32.40 | Bounty | When Blizz allows multiple maps to be linked |
| 16:32.41 | Bounty | thats how |
| 16:32.42 | Bounty | =P |
| 16:32.50 | Ashamed | NOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 16:32.58 | Ashamed | Starcraft party :) |
| 16:33.08 | Mexa | You mean with the Set Next Map functions? |
| 16:33.15 | Bounty | yeah |
| 16:33.28 | Bounty | also |
| 16:33.32 | Mexa | I have a theory on that. Set next map looks for the name of the map, right? |
| 16:33.34 | Bounty | thats kinda what im trying to do right NOW lol |
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| 16:33.38 | Bounty | with the Gravity Gun |
| 16:33.44 | Bounty | i wanna make a bunch of games with it |
| 16:34.03 | Mexa | So perhaps it is possible to set the next map by writing in the encrypted filename instead |
| 16:34.03 | AlphA_VsT | then do it fuck |
| 16:34.23 | Mexa | I mean the *hashed filename* |
| 16:34.24 | Bounty | Blizz says its not supported yet so it shouldnt be possible lol |
| 16:34.40 | Dekar | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WALA791OZ_4&feature=player_embedded |
| 16:34.58 | Mexa | Bounty, though, at first it said Set Next Map was only for blizzard maps. But now, if you look in the API the comments are removed |
| 16:35.39 | Mexa | Oh wait, yeah that would only tell us you can do it singleplayer |
| 16:35.41 | Mexa | Oh well |
| 16:36.02 | Mexa | Never mind :3 As usual. |
| 16:37.34 | Tolkfan | i'd like to know the reason why blizz blocked the functions for playing movies and flash objects :/ |
| 16:37.49 | Ashamed | yeah mexa if you can figure that out then do it :) |
| 16:37.51 | Tolkfan | "omg, they're gonna play fullscreen porn in their maps! block it" |
| 16:38.13 | Mexa | lol |
| 16:38.24 | Mexa | Not worth the money to be instant banned by it |
| 16:38.33 | Bounty | They should allow it imo |
| 16:38.43 | Bounty | They had no problem with maps full of cock pics in WC3 |
| 16:38.45 | Bounty | lol |
| 16:38.56 | JademusSreg | I'm pretty sure it can be done. |
| 16:39.25 | Mexa | In wc3, it was a minor problem at first, the preview pics contained porn there sometimes |
| 16:39.35 | Mexa | But not on the later years, no |
| 16:39.38 | Bounty | btw |
| 16:39.40 | Bounty | it can be done |
| 16:39.42 | Bounty | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaW807_LWEU&feature=player_embedded |
| 16:40.09 | JademusSreg | Exactly. |
| 16:40.24 | Mexa | Bounty it says that playing movies are restricted to blizzard maps |
| 16:40.26 | JademusSreg | That's the one I was thinking of, but couldn't recall. |
| 16:40.32 | Mexa | Even in that video |
| 16:40.36 | Tolkfan | Show me a way to play the SC2 cinematics :) |
| 16:41.01 | Tolkfan | without any crazy work arounds involving importing the audio |
| 16:41.10 | Mexa | And if not, who says that that is multiplayer? |
| 16:41.23 | JademusSreg | It pops an error message, but it still works. |
| 16:41.59 | Mexa | humph well, still isn't proven to be MP |
| 16:42.17 | JademusSreg | That video is definitely from single player, yes. |
| 16:42.34 | AlphA_VsT | QQ |
| 16:42.42 | Mexa | He is using Starmovie it seems. |
| 16:43.07 | Ashamed | so we cant play movies in mp :( |
| 16:43.14 | Ashamed | we were able to on the beta right ? |
| 16:43.17 | Dustin|Lappy | Woot, map terrain almost done |
| 16:43.19 | AlphA_VsT | yes |
| 16:44.06 | JademusSreg | In my experience, you can get away with things done before map init. |
| 16:44.27 | JademusSreg | For example, hiding all the UI panels, including the top left buttons. |
| 16:44.28 | AlphA_VsT | i stoped my self from cheating on my map and i lost hard on normal QQ |
| 16:45.50 | Mexa | wait... Sc2 have native functions for recording movies |
| 16:46.05 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 16:46.06 | Mexa | Too bad they only work for blizz maps :| |
| 16:46.32 | JademusSreg | Like I said above. |
| 16:46.37 | JademusSreg | In my experience, you can get away with things done before map init. |
| 16:46.55 | Mexa | oh okay, so that's it |
| 16:47.10 | JademusSreg | I'm curious if this is one of those things. |
| 16:48.24 | Mexa | could be, |
| 16:48.33 | AlphA_VsT | maybe |
| 16:49.31 | AlphA_VsT | So much shit to do on this map still :( |
| 16:50.08 | JademusSreg | It appears the limits on movies involving recording, not playing. |
| 16:50.53 | JademusSreg | Based on what natives.galaxy says. |
| 16:53.59 | Mexa | yeah |
| 16:54.20 | Mexa | Can't you still play movies in the help panel, mercenarypanel and upgrade panel? |
| 16:54.38 | Mexa | and techtree panel? or whatever they all are, they are in the campaign anyway. |
| 16:54.41 | JademusSreg | I've never messed with those panels. |
| 16:54.48 | Mexa | Neither have I |
| 16:55.42 | Tolkfan | hah, I'm just messing with the merc panel :D yes, you can play ogg video in it, but its tiny :/ |
| 16:55.56 | Tolkfan | ogg video with sound |
| 16:56.23 | JademusSreg | Neat. So one could easily modify the UI layout to make it larger. |
| 16:56.35 | Tolkfan | .... :O |
| 16:56.39 | Tolkfan | I am sooo doing that! |
| 16:57.32 | Mexa | The mission panel could work too |
| 16:57.42 | Mexa | It's even in 3d space as far as I know. |
| 16:57.49 | Dekar | :O |
| 16:57.52 | Mexa | The video played |
| 16:58.10 | Mexa | Yeah it's projected on a plane in the 3d world. |
| 16:59.28 | Mexa | Breakfast time! |
| 17:00.07 | AlphA_VsT | i fucking own copper muhahahaha |
| 17:00.09 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 17:16.28 | AlphA_VsT | oh wow they increased the file size of uploaded maps from 20mb? :P |
| 17:16.40 | Mexa | to what? |
| 17:17.32 | AlphA_VsT | mine says 52 mb for all files |
| 17:18.00 | Tolkfan | it's been like that for a long time |
| 17:18.08 | AlphA_VsT | im sure it has lol |
| 17:18.16 | Tolkfan | single map is 10.5MB |
| 17:18.26 | AlphA_VsT | yeah need mod files |
| 17:18.41 | AlphA_VsT | this makes me happy though lol |
| 17:18.58 | Tolkfan | I hope you have a high upload speed :] |
| 17:18.58 | AlphA_VsT | my map was sitting at 19mb when i last checked |
| 17:20.33 | AlphA_VsT | but now i have a new issue :( |
| 17:20.50 | AlphA_VsT | my single mod is over 11mb :( |
| 17:21.33 | Tolkfan | put some of it back in the map |
| 17:21.48 | Tolkfan | or make 2 mods ;p |
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| 17:21.48 | AlphA_VsT | I might have to do a mod for models and a mod for textures |
| 17:22.00 | AlphA_VsT | and a mod for everythign else |
| 17:22.13 | Tolkfan | and then you run out of map slots :PPP |
| 17:23.06 | AlphA_VsT | i only need one map |
| 17:24.09 | AlphA_VsT | this game is going to be at least 30mb when im done |
| 17:24.50 | AlphA_VsT | looking at the new mod for the blizzard cookign map its like 56mb FUCK YOU BLIZZZARD |
| 17:25.46 | AlphA_VsT | oh well something to figgure out i guess |
| 17:38.53 | Ashamed | so yall rdy for federal funding to be shut down :) |
| 17:41.06 | JademusSreg | With a vengeance. |
| 17:42.41 | Bounty | huh? |
| 17:42.47 | Bounty | is that bad? lol |
| 17:43.35 | JademusSreg | remembers something that annoys him. |
| 17:43.44 | JademusSreg | Bounty, did you need me to test that thing? |
| 17:43.54 | Bounty | nah |
| 17:43.55 | Bounty | i tested it |
| 17:43.58 | Bounty | its really no differant |
| 17:44.18 | Helral|afk | hmmmm can't remember which bit of the tutorial I'd work on now ;p |
| 17:44.34 | Bounty | so wtf is this Government Shutdown shit |
| 17:44.37 | JademusSreg | Bounty, I hope you kept the changes, at least. |
| 17:44.51 | JademusSreg | Helral, everything. All of the things. |
| 17:45.05 | Helral|Write_Tut | hmmm |
| 17:45.10 | Helral | ;p |
| 17:45.25 | Tolkfan | "I personally can't even begin to comprehend the notion of planning and doing things in order. " .... |
| 17:45.34 | JademusSreg | HWAHT? |
| 17:45.43 | Helral | maybe just creating Tooltips. |
| 17:46.21 | AlphA_VsT | its helral hes alive :) |
| 17:46.41 | JademusSreg | Of course. |
| 17:46.46 | JademusSreg | He's an active dude. |
| 17:46.48 | Helral | plays dead |
| 17:46.54 | JademusSreg | Oh noooo |
| 17:46.54 | Helral | meows |
| 17:46.56 | Ashamed | Ahhhh |
| 17:47.01 | Dustin|Lappy | :O |
| 17:47.03 | Helral | O |
| 17:47.06 | Bounty | So, nobody can explain to me what this Government Shutdown thing is? lol |
| 17:47.08 | JademusSreg | Now he's in a superposition of states! D= |
| 17:47.08 | Ashamed | 12:01 AM usa federal funding will be closed until further notice >< |
| 17:47.11 | AlphA_VsT | lol i have no talked to him in a long time :D |
| 17:47.18 | Ashamed | no more zoos :( |
| 17:47.40 | Helral | Bounty: basicly if the US goverment doesn't have their budget defined they can't spend money. also they won't get paid. |
| 17:47.53 | AlphA_VsT | thats what your worried about? zoos? |
| 17:48.11 | Bounty | pj |
| 17:48.14 | Bounty | oh* |
| 17:48.14 | JademusSreg | Ashamed lives in a zoo, thus his inordinate concern. |
| 17:48.23 | Bounty | so they are basically just finally getting a budget going? lol |
| 17:48.27 | Bounty | thats it? |
| 17:48.50 | AlphA_VsT | maybe |
| 17:49.21 | JademusSreg | Ash is a captive silverback gorilla who has been taught to sign and use the internet. |
| 17:49.22 | Dustin|Lappy | Hmmmm |
| 17:49.31 | AlphA_VsT | my stimpack is broken :( |
| 17:49.35 | Bounty | well the whole wording of "Government Shutdown" scared me for a bit >< |
| 17:49.36 | Dustin|Lappy | I should add some sort of savable progress thing to my map... |
| 17:49.38 | AlphA_VsT | it worked in beta |
| 17:49.41 | AlphA_VsT | FU GAME |
| 17:50.06 | Helral | AlphA_VsT: what ain't working anymore? |
| 17:50.46 | Helral | Bounty: well basicly everything funded by the goverment is shutdown then ;p |
| 17:51.03 | Bounty | isnt that... |
| 17:51.05 | Bounty | a bad idea? |
| 17:51.09 | Helral | Bounty: so parks, goverment offices, etc. ;p |
| 17:51.17 | Bounty | no post office? |
| 17:51.20 | Helral | well that's what happends if you don't have fundings. |
| 17:51.27 | Helral | dunno about post offices in US ;p |
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| 17:51.57 | JademusSreg | Don't worry, though. The CIA has its own revenue sources. |
| 17:52.03 | Helral | I'm just saying what I heard on the radio here ;p |
| 17:52.15 | Helral | here being in Europe ;p *grins* |
| 17:52.31 | Tolkfan | Government Shutdown sounds like the "dark ages" ending from Deus Ex... cool :o |
| 17:52.31 | Helral | quite funny I'm better informed then Bounty :) |
| 17:52.50 | Bounty | I just havent been watching the news lately lol |
| 17:52.51 | Helral | quite sad actually |
| 17:53.13 | AlphA_VsT | lol helral most of my data editor shit is broken from beta :( |
| 17:53.34 | Helral | don't use the multiplayer dependency then ;p |
| 17:53.49 | Tolkfan | even better, dont use data editor |
| 17:54.07 | AlphA_VsT | Might be it lol |
| 17:54.56 | AlphA_VsT | um you need to use the data editor for some things :D |
| 17:55.03 | JademusSreg | Media sensationalization of politics, without which I doubt US citizens would divert the few precious seconds wasted wheezing out their words of alarm otherwise allocated to ingesting prepackaged foods and discussing celebrity gossip unironically. |
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| 17:56.20 | SouLCarveR | Does anybody know how to make a validator check the level of an ability on a hero? |
| 17:57.34 | JademusSreg | Would it be Unit Compare Behavior Count? Dunno. |
| 17:58.17 | Helral | maybe a behavior count of the veterancy behavior. |
| 17:58.21 | Helral | dunno ;p |
| 17:58.22 | JademusSreg | I see it. |
| 17:58.31 | JademusSreg | Unit Compare Veterancy Levels. |
| 18:00.45 | Mexa | backeliback |
| 18:01.31 | SouLCarveR | veterancy levels? |
| 18:01.39 | SouLCarveR | an abiltiy not a behavior |
| 18:01.55 | JademusSreg | Oh, haha. |
| 18:02.39 | SouLCarveR | as far as I can tell the "count abilties" requirement does not count past 1 for a single unit if the abiltiy has been learned twice |
| 18:06.53 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 18:08.18 | JademusSreg | For what do you need such a validator? |
| 18:09.14 | SouLCarveR | for a multi level spell |
| 18:09.25 | JademusSreg | Each level should have its own effect. |
| 18:09.31 | JademusSreg | And each effect its own validator. |
| 18:09.44 | Helral | an ability with effects depending on the level of the user, instead of level of the ability ;p |
| 18:09.46 | SouLCarveR | well it creates behaviors |
| 18:09.56 | SouLCarveR | and that behavior runs a switch effect |
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| 18:10.08 | SouLCarveR | the switch effect needs such a validator to determine the level of the spell |
| 18:10.11 | Helral | well you can easily create a dummy attribute ;p |
| 18:10.12 | SyNiK4L|AD | carver |
| 18:10.14 | FockeWulf | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/tutorials/1333-video-data-wc3-hero-ability-emulation/ |
| 18:10.14 | Helral | and count that one. |
| 18:10.14 | SouLCarveR | so it can act accordingly |
| 18:10.30 | FockeWulf | That one I know works cause I've used it |
| 18:10.32 | SouLCarveR | Fockewulf video tuts blow and generally dont work |
| 18:10.50 | JademusSreg | Helral is quite right, a hidden buff or attribute would be useful in tracking such things. |
| 18:10.55 | SouLCarveR | yes |
| 18:10.57 | Helral | just have the attribute behavior == the veterancy level. |
| 18:10.57 | SouLCarveR | I have a trigger |
| 18:11.02 | SouLCarveR | that creates a dummy behaviors |
| 18:11.09 | SouLCarveR | on the hero to track level |
| 18:11.12 | SouLCarveR | thats how I currently do it |
| 18:11.14 | SouLCarveR | which works |
| 18:11.32 | FockeWulf | Ok soul I've used it but its up to you |
| 18:11.33 | SouLCarveR | just wondering if its even possible to create a validator that can check the level of an abiltiy |
| 18:11.59 | FockeWulf | you can't because abilities don't "level" |
| 18:12.22 | FockeWulf | its just you can decide which effect they use |
| 18:12.31 | FockeWulf | ie set 1,2,3,4,5 |
| 18:12.43 | FockeWulf | by using a validator based on say a behavior |
| 18:12.58 | FockeWulf | and then have the behavior removed when the hero "levels" |
| 18:13.28 | FockeWulf | all you then need is some way to increase charge count every time the hero levels |
| 18:13.33 | FockeWulf | or sorry ability levels |
| 18:14.11 | SouLCarveR | the way he checks the level abilty doesnt work in that video |
| 18:14.17 | SouLCarveR | ive tried |
| 18:14.19 | SouLCarveR | does not work |
| 18:14.30 | FockeWulf | hang on let me check my map |
| 18:14.33 | FockeWulf | cause i know that works |
| 18:14.50 | SouLCarveR | when you train an abilty to be lvl 2 |
| 18:14.57 | SouLCarveR | the count of the ability on a unit still = 1 |
| 18:15.59 | SouLCarveR | yeah im in agreement with what you said fockewulf |
| 18:16.12 | SouLCarveR | I have a dummy behavior stack on the hero I add one stack every time they train the ability |
| 18:16.42 | SouLCarveR | I can then use that stack count to determine the level of the ability in a validator and use it for my "switch effect" which handles how a behavior acts at different levels |
| 18:20.03 | SouLCarveR | the only thing is .... I use a trigger to add the dummy behavior |
| 18:20.16 | SouLCarveR | which I dont mind |
| 18:21.03 | SouLCarveR | but I was hoping I was missing something as to a way to determine what level an ability was currently at. Kinda stupid there isnt another way |
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| 18:22.28 | FockeWulf | I hear ya |
| 18:22.34 | FockeWulf | thank Blizzfail |
| 18:24.43 | SyNiK4L | yo soul pm me when ur free. |
| 18:25.19 | Dustin|Lappy | wtf |
| 18:25.33 | Dustin|Lappy | 3d points dont save their height when you reload a map i nthe editor |
| 18:25.38 | Dustin|Lappy | What kind of bull cockery is that |
| 18:25.47 | SyNiK4L | lol |
| 18:25.49 | SyNiK4L | lame |
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| 18:29.38 | Shawn|rawr | Jmanv you here? |
| 18:30.03 | JademusSreg | RAWR |
| 18:30.26 | Shawn|rawr | I found a vid of a reaper that could jump down a cliff but not up lol |
| 18:31.53 | Shawn|rawr | Was there a patch after 1.3.0 yet? |
| 18:32.02 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 18:32.04 | JademusSreg | A minor one. |
| 18:32.10 | JademusSreg | Super boring. |
| 18:32.22 | JademusSreg | What are you doin Shawn? |
| 18:34.23 | *** join/#sc2mapster Shawn|rawr (46b9a332@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.185.163.50) |
| 18:34.42 | Shawn|rawr | Apparently I can't change windows without reloading |
| 18:35.16 | Shawn|rawr | So if you said something after 'a minor one' I didn't get it |
| 18:36.05 | Shawn|rawr | But I saw the bug fixes. Nothing other than that |
| 18:37.03 | JademusSreg | [14:32:10] <JademusSreg> Yes. |
| 18:37.03 | JademusSreg | [14:32:12] <JademusSreg> A minor one. |
| 18:37.03 | JademusSreg | [14:32:18] <JademusSreg> Super boring. |
| 18:37.03 | JademusSreg | [14:32:29] <JademusSreg> What are you doin Shawn? |
| 18:37.03 | JademusSreg | [14:32:53] * Shawn|rawr (46b9a332@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.185.163.50) Quit (Client Quit) |
| 18:37.35 | Shawn|rawr | I'm being awesome |
| 18:37.39 | Shawn|rawr | Super cool |
| 18:37.46 | JademusSreg | I'd like to show off what I've been working on the past 3 days. |
| 18:37.57 | Shawn|rawr | And babysitting to earn money |
| 18:38.42 | Shawn|rawr | I'm on an iPad lol. If there is a video then I'll be good |
| 18:38.48 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 18:39.03 | JademusSreg | No, I wait until release tio make videos. |
| 18:39.26 | Shawn|rawr | Well next week I should have my compuyer back |
| 18:39.30 | JademusSreg | It is nearly complete, though. Complete as in playable, not polished. |
| 18:39.48 | JademusSreg | I do have a mysterious screenshot, though. |
| 18:40.06 | JademusSreg | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/PlayingSecondFiddle.jpg |
| 18:44.49 | Ashamed | JADE |
| 18:44.53 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 18:44.57 | *** join/#sc2mapster Shawn|rawr (46b9a332@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.185.163.50) |
| 18:44.59 | Ashamed | that screen shot is soooo mysterious |
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| 18:45.24 | JademusSreg | Yup. |
| 18:45.40 | Shawn|rawr | For sure |
| 18:45.59 | Shawn|rawr | I had to change windows but I have No idea what that picture was of |
| 18:46.34 | JademusSreg | It's a riddle, wrapped in an enigma, locked in a safe, recorded on a black box, hidden behind a curtain, buried in an unmarked grave. |
| 18:47.22 | Shawn|rawr | I think that's what you are |
| 18:47.28 | JademusSreg | It's a Matryoshka doll of mystery. |
| 18:49.01 | Shawn|rawr | Roar |
| 18:49.14 | Shawn|rawr | Am I still here? |
| 18:49.22 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 18:49.34 | Shawn|rawr | The two year old unplugged my Internet |
| 18:49.56 | JademusSreg | I know how that is. |
| 18:49.59 | AlphA_VsT | on ipad internet unplugged? what |
| 18:50.20 | Shawn|rawr | iPad uses my home Internet |
| 18:50.28 | Shawn|rawr | It doesn't have it's own |
| 18:52.02 | Shawn|rawr | One more hour and I can put him to sleep and watch more anime |
| 18:52.32 | JademusSreg | The next Apple pretentious computing "experience" will be a sphere with which you interact psionically, leading the way for Steve Jobs to become The Tall Man, controlling a vast armada of floating chrome spheres. |
| 18:53.00 | JademusSreg | If no one has seen any of the Phantasm films, that reference will be lost entirely. |
| 18:53.06 | Shawn|rawr | I'll never use this thing again once my computer is fixed |
| 18:53.27 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 18:53.28 | Shawn|rawr | I can't wAit to play sc2 again |
| 18:53.41 | JademusSreg | Woo! |
| 18:53.44 | AlphA_VsT | i think i need to redo all my data |
| 18:53.47 | AlphA_VsT | 0.o |
| 18:53.55 | Shawn|rawr | Sad day. Why? |
| 18:53.56 | JademusSreg | Congrats. |
| 18:54.08 | AlphA_VsT | i cahnged the damge of my marines weapon and it didnt change... |
| 18:54.28 | Shawn|rawr | You sure you set the right field? |
| 18:54.33 | AlphA_VsT | yeah |
| 18:54.44 | JademusSreg | Is it a new effect? |
| 18:54.54 | Shawn|rawr | I'd look but uhhh.. iPad |
| 18:54.57 | Dustin|Lappy | Sure he's got the right weapon attached? |
| 18:54.59 | JademusSreg | Weapons have an effect, and a display effect. |
| 18:55.19 | JademusSreg | Display effect is used for the infocard display. |
| 18:56.15 | AlphA_VsT | oh |
| 18:56.21 | AlphA_VsT | thats why it hasnt been working :D |
| 18:56.29 | AlphA_VsT | i forgot to restart sc2 |
| 18:56.36 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 18:56.36 | AlphA_VsT | yay for mods being gay |
| 18:57.05 | AlphA_VsT | and i did fix my stimpack weee |
| 18:57.11 | AlphA_VsT | fucking hate mods |
| 18:57.24 | AlphA_VsT | make a cahnge you have to close out your map and restart sc2 |
| 18:57.25 | JademusSreg | Maybe some day those mods will have the right to marry like straight mods. |
| 18:57.27 | Shawn|rawr | Ya. Moderators all suck |
| 18:57.28 | AlphA_VsT | jsut to see the cahnges |
| 18:59.02 | AlphA_VsT | WOOT! |
| 18:59.04 | Shawn|rawr | Someone send me tacos. I'm in Georgia |
| 18:59.13 | AlphA_VsT | now my marines dont die when i use stim pack |
| 18:59.14 | AlphA_VsT | score |
| 18:59.21 | JademusSreg | They have tacos in Georgia. |
| 18:59.48 | AlphA_VsT | LIES |
| 18:59.52 | Shawn|rawr | Right but there is no place close enough that i could leave the kids here to go get some |
| 19:00.05 | JademusSreg | If you were in Alaska, I might take your request more seriously. |
| 19:00.17 | AlphA_VsT | alaska? wtf |
| 19:01.11 | JademusSreg | Alaska questions around here buddy! wakka wakka wakka |
| 19:01.13 | Shawn|rawr | He's saying there are no tacos in Alaska |
| 19:04.11 | AlphA_VsT | now just to fix this morph effect :( |
| 19:04.15 | Shawn|rawr | I havent seen anything but black and white people here. Nothing else |
| 19:04.22 | AlphA_VsT | im getting double units QQ |
| 19:04.26 | Shawn|rawr | It's strange |
| 19:04.32 | AlphA_VsT | whats wrong with that |
| 19:05.18 | JademusSreg | I'm 80% black. |
| 19:05.26 | Stewox | Jademus |
| 19:05.28 | AlphA_VsT | so what |
| 19:05.32 | Shawn|rawr | I'm from Vegas where lots of every race is there |
| 19:05.43 | Stewox | anything useful about footprint ? |
| 19:05.51 | JademusSreg | All my clothes are black except my socks. |
| 19:05.57 | Stewox | http://pastebin.com/E5csMdND |
| 19:05.59 | AlphA_VsT | footprints are awesome |
| 19:06.04 | AlphA_VsT | did they fix them though |
| 19:06.14 | Shawn|rawr | No |
| 19:06.16 | AlphA_VsT | where you can actually see the footprint |
| 19:06.20 | Stewox | edit it for me if you don't want to explain to me |
| 19:06.21 | AlphA_VsT | if you want to change it |
| 19:06.58 | AlphA_VsT | your paste is broken |
| 19:07.01 | JademusSreg | Alph, footprints from mod dependencie4s are visible in the editor, I hear. |
| 19:07.13 | AlphA_VsT | really thats odd lol |
| 19:07.15 | JademusSreg | Yes, paste is inknown. |
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| 19:08.07 | Bounty | Jadmues |
| 19:08.10 | Bounty | i changed my mind |
| 19:08.13 | Bounty | i do need u for 5 seconds :) |
| 19:08.32 | AlphA_VsT | anyone know how to change the texture of a modal from a trigger? |
| 19:08.50 | AlphA_VsT | I really really need that lol |
| 19:08.53 | JademusSreg | TextureSwap or some such. |
| 19:09.10 | Stewox | what's wrong with paste |
| 19:09.30 | AlphA_VsT | not valid |
| 19:09.56 | Ashamed | so my freind in the army just got payed.. and he said it is half then what it normally is >< |
| 19:09.59 | Ashamed | fucken America |
| 19:10.10 | AlphA_VsT | haha |
| 19:11.28 | Bounty | accept my invite Jademussreg |
| 19:11.35 | JademusSreg | Send. |
| 19:12.44 | AlphA_VsT | GAH its not possible :( |
| 19:13.10 | *** join/#sc2mapster Beier (~Beier@94.101.217.54) |
| 19:13.19 | Beier | Hello |
| 19:14.28 | Stewox | http://pastebin.com/KuzWQs8s |
| 19:14.34 | JademusSreg | Yes, Bounty. |
| 19:14.41 | Bounty | use that method? |
| 19:14.49 | JademusSreg | Sure. |
| 19:15.34 | JademusSreg | Hi Bei. |
| 19:15.41 | JademusSreg | Stew, what's up? |
| 19:16.13 | JademusSreg | I wanted to go over your options again, btw. |
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| 19:16.33 | JademusSreg | It's easier to work with footprints in the editor if you are willing to redraw the shapes. |
| 19:17.34 | JademusSreg | It occured to me that since you're going to be changing the dimensions, you're going to need to redraw the shape anyway. |
| 19:17.35 | Shawn|rawr | Hopefully they can just fix it ton begin with |
| 19:17.54 | JademusSreg | That would be awesome Shawn. |
| 19:18.18 | Shawn|rawr | Soon(tm) |
| 19:18.26 | Stewox | can you edit the pastebin for me if you're not exited to explain me the whole instructions here |
| 19:18.32 | JademusSreg | mOtHeRfUcKiN mIrAcUlOuS mOtHeRfUcKeRs |
| 19:18.51 | JademusSreg | is obviously a fan of MSPA. |
| 19:19.25 | JademusSreg | It occured to me that since you're going to be changing the dimensions, you're going to need to redraw the shape anyway. |
| 19:19.38 | JademusSreg | So you're not going to gain anything by doing it via xml. |
| 19:20.47 | JademusSreg | The shape isn't vector that I can tell, so it won't scale with an increase in dimension. |
| 19:21.44 | Shawn|rawr | My physics teacher was Cuban and always said bector |
| 19:21.51 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 19:23.22 | AlphA_VsT | really lame |
| 19:24.13 | AlphA_VsT | whats a good time frame for a game to last? |
| 19:24.33 | JademusSreg | 30 minutes. |
| 19:24.40 | AlphA_VsT | really? |
| 19:25.05 | AlphA_VsT | i do need to use more than one main mission then :D |
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| 19:25.22 | Ashamed | woot my friday is almost here |
| 19:25.24 | JademusSreg | Dunno. Having options is nice. |
| 19:25.25 | Bounty | Make your map as long as you want to lol |
| 19:25.30 | AlphA_VsT | I'm going to do a progession |
| 19:25.51 | Bounty | It depends if you want a quick fix map or something that people stay in for a long time |
| 19:25.58 | Bounty | quick fix > all |
| 19:26.12 | AlphA_VsT | I want something that will get a fuck ton of plays :D |
| 19:26.17 | Bounty | lol |
| 19:26.20 | AlphA_VsT | but also be enjoyable |
| 19:26.24 | JademusSreg | Enjoyable games should be able to last for as long as people enjoy them before becoming stale. |
| 19:26.25 | AlphA_VsT | and not to short |
| 19:26.43 | Bounty | You have a good chance of ruining your map if you build it around the popularity list imo |
| 19:26.48 | AlphA_VsT | well my map is all about being new eveytime you play it |
| 19:26.59 | Bounty | Well there you go |
| 19:27.05 | Bounty | you dont need a long game then |
| 19:27.08 | JademusSreg | I prefer maps to last a half hour. |
| 19:27.12 | Bounty | if you have infinite replayability |
| 19:27.18 | Bounty | 15 mins would be fine |
| 19:27.33 | AlphA_VsT | yeah about 20 min im thinking |
| 19:27.41 | Bounty | also |
| 19:27.44 | Bounty | the longer ur map is |
| 19:27.53 | Bounty | the harder it will be to rise on the list imo |
| 19:27.57 | Bounty | due to rage quitters |
| 19:27.58 | Ashamed | 0,0 |
| 19:28.00 | JademusSreg | Naw. |
| 19:28.01 | AlphA_VsT | i cant control it to be jsut 20 min |
| 19:28.04 | Ashamed | you should make a map that can be long |
| 19:28.05 | JademusSreg | Death Haven for example. |
| 19:28.06 | Ashamed | but hard... |
| 19:28.09 | Ashamed | so it has short games too |
| 19:28.31 | AlphA_VsT | yeah my map is sorta like death haven its a good compasion |
| 19:28.36 | JademusSreg | Death Haven is grindy and rewards kills ort something. |
| 19:28.41 | Bounty | Yeah but OneTwo is an established mapper |
| 19:28.44 | Stewox | so what should i do then |
| 19:29.01 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 19:29.02 | Stewox | i really don't mind which way , just so it's done |
| 19:29.27 | JademusSreg | People play it and probably enjoy it, and so continue to play it. |
| 19:29.35 | AlphA_VsT | but i asked about the time because i just beat my mission in 5 min on normal and that seems way to short :D |
| 19:29.43 | Bounty | Well yeah but the problem is getting it to that point Jademus :) |
| 19:29.59 | Bounty | Everything onetwo releases hits first page status |
| 19:30.21 | Bounty | Alpha |
| 19:30.24 | JademusSreg | It's not a problem at all. |
| 19:30.26 | Bounty | GravBall lasts 5 minutes |
| 19:30.32 | Bounty | your map should not last as long as gravball |
| 19:30.34 | Bounty | lol |
| 19:30.50 | JademusSreg | Make good stuff, good stuff gets attention at a given scale. |
| 19:31.11 | Bounty | I dont agree with that |
| 19:31.13 | Bounty | but ok >< |
| 19:31.17 | AlphA_VsT | yeah its odd also it just ends i need to fix that no satisfaction on anything done |
| 19:31.42 | AlphA_VsT | so im thinking a progresion on a main objective |
| 19:32.16 | JademusSreg | Iduncare. Worrying about anything beyond the map itself and that it is enjoyable to play doesn't interest me. |
| 19:32.35 | Bounty | Well thats what i was telling him |
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| 19:32.42 | AlphA_VsT | With varying submissions depending on the current main objective to help it along |
| 19:32.48 | Bounty | Dont build your map around the popularity system lol |
| 19:32.50 | Shawn|rawr | I hate ipadsplaswww |
| 19:32.52 | Bounty | thats all i said >< |
| 19:32.59 | AlphA_VsT | oh im not |
| 19:33.08 | Bounty | i know, im just telling that to Jademus |
| 19:33.12 | AlphA_VsT | even if it only is 5 players max :P |
| 19:33.20 | Bounty | Odd number |
| 19:33.21 | Bounty | lol |
| 19:33.22 | AlphA_VsT | it could be more |
| 19:33.26 | JademusSreg | Your words betray an ambivalence toward popularity. |
| 19:33.38 | AlphA_VsT | its players v zombies |
| 19:33.42 | AlphA_VsT | vs |
| 19:33.44 | Shawn|rawr | It autocorrects ipads to ipadsplaswww |
| 19:33.50 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 19:33.54 | JademusSreg | Awesome. |
| 19:34.42 | Shawn|rawr | Two year old is sleeping finally |
| 19:34.45 | AlphA_VsT | I really want to get rid of the walls and make it into a randomly generated city |
| 19:34.52 | AlphA_VsT | but i need to be able to set textures |
| 19:35.00 | AlphA_VsT | and i cant :( |
| 19:35.06 | AlphA_VsT | I WANT GRASS!!!!!! |
| 19:35.14 | Shawn|rawr | You should see jades map generation thing |
| 19:35.48 | AlphA_VsT | my map generation is fast and easy |
| 19:36.03 | JademusSreg | You want grass or grass terrain textures? |
| 19:36.10 | Shawn|rawr | But his is the same every time |
| 19:36.33 | Shawn|rawr | Blarg |
| 19:36.44 | AlphA_VsT | i want terrain textures |
| 19:36.59 | AlphA_VsT | to set them by triggers :( |
| 19:37.15 | JademusSreg | My super map poc uses two seed values corresponding to x y coords in the supermap for an algorithmic RNG that generates objects per map. |
| 19:37.23 | Shawn|rawr | Ask blizzard |
| 19:37.28 | JademusSreg | Alph, then you're boned. |
| 19:37.38 | Stewox | anyone else knows how to scale up creep footprint so it's larger, these are all copied "Large" footprint parts (3 for each, custom Huge and Larger) http://pastebin.com/KuzWQs8s |
| 19:37.54 | JademusSreg | You're better off putting actors over the ground and sending actor messages to texture swap. |
| 19:38.05 | AlphA_VsT | thats what i was thinking |
| 19:38.21 | AlphA_VsT | but i cant figgure out texture swap |
| 19:38.33 | Shawn|rawr | I would be better off not using an iPad and typing with two fingers |
| 19:38.42 | JademusSreg | Shawn, correct! |
| 19:39.04 | Shawn|rawr | Yes! I thought so but I wasn't sure |
| 19:39.10 | JademusSreg | Alph, I don't have any experience with it, I only know that is can and has been done. |
| 19:39.27 | AlphA_VsT | because If i could get a city my options for missions grow open so much |
| 19:40.01 | AlphA_VsT | it would take my map to the next level |
| 19:40.28 | AlphA_VsT | and also a lot of texture editing but what ever |
| 19:41.19 | AlphA_VsT | just thinking about it makes me want it so bad :D |
| 19:42.14 | AlphA_VsT | i could even go as far as terrian deformation and add water :D |
| 19:42.57 | JademusSreg | Good luck. |
| 19:43.11 | AlphA_VsT | and streets omg i want streets |
| 19:43.15 | JademusSreg | No current convertor supports walkability plane. |
| 19:43.35 | JademusSreg | No custom models are walkable. D= |
| 19:43.51 | AlphA_VsT | walkable how? |
| 19:44.00 | JademusSreg | Units walking on them. |
| 19:44.04 | AlphA_VsT | oh |
| 19:44.07 | Shawn|rawr | You can't walk on them |
| 19:44.17 | Shawn|rawr | iPad keyboard is low |
| 19:44.21 | AlphA_VsT | i walk over my blood :P |
| 19:44.21 | Shawn|rawr | Slow |
| 19:44.30 | JademusSreg | Sure. |
| 19:44.42 | AlphA_VsT | and its a custom flat model on the ground lol |
| 19:44.44 | JademusSreg | But if you raised it into the air, would units be standing on it? |
| 19:44.52 | AlphA_VsT | no :P |
| 19:45.14 | JademusSreg | Walkability is a property needed for things like bridges, ramps, and stuff. |
| 19:45.23 | AlphA_VsT | yeah I know 0.o |
| 19:45.35 | JademusSreg | Wherein lies the confusion? |
| 19:45.47 | AlphA_VsT | imnot confused :P |
| 19:45.56 | JademusSreg | Ah, a joke. My mistake. |
| 19:46.07 | AlphA_VsT | im just sad i cant build my city :( |
| 19:46.49 | AlphA_VsT | I mean I guess I could make a few flat models with diffrent textures |
| 19:46.59 | JademusSreg | Anyway, only a few models have this property, so to simulate walkability, like faking terrain deformation, you need to use flattened, invisible versions that can tilt. |
| 19:47.29 | JademusSreg | Actually, axe that last part. |
| 19:47.49 | JademusSreg | Tilting is almost worthless, and setting rotation tends to fail too. |
| 19:47.56 | AlphA_VsT | lol |
| 19:48.01 | JademusSreg | And rocker actors are unstable. |
| 19:48.09 | AlphA_VsT | yeah to much for me to care about :P |
| 19:48.23 | AlphA_VsT | i would love cliffs though |
| 19:48.24 | JademusSreg | As in they just won't sit still, the bastards. |
| 19:48.34 | AlphA_VsT | but its not needed |
| 19:48.37 | Shawn|rawr | Awesome. I'm going to go now. See you guys when I get my computer back |
| 19:48.43 | AlphA_VsT | have fun |
| 19:49.04 | AlphA_VsT | I think a bunch of flat models would work for grass and shit |
| 19:49.12 | JademusSreg | Yeah. |
| 19:49.39 | Vexal | what happened to the popularity list? |
| 19:49.49 | AlphA_VsT | at least I could implment my city |
| 19:50.18 | AlphA_VsT | and get shit rolling |
| 19:50.18 | JademusSreg | What about the list, Vexal? |
| 19:50.18 | Vexal | it's been randomized completely |
| 19:50.19 | JademusSreg | Neato. |
| 19:50.25 | Vexal | even sotis is nowhere near the first page |
| 19:50.34 | JademusSreg | I'm gonna guess database error. |
| 19:50.46 | Vexal | it's there |
| 19:50.52 | Vexal | it's just at a very low hour count |
| 19:51.15 | AlphA_VsT | it got reset |
| 19:51.20 | AlphA_VsT | 0.o |
| 19:51.21 | Vexal | it wasn't reset |
| 19:51.23 | Vexal | it's reordered |
| 19:51.30 | Vexal | maps that no one's ever heard of dominate the first few pages |
| 19:51.37 | AlphA_VsT | yeah |
| 19:51.41 | *** join/#sc2mapster JamesObscura_ (~James@ip98-171-190-124.sb.sd.cox.net) |
| 19:51.51 | Vexal | so what the hell |
| 19:51.52 | Vexal | why? |
| 19:53.00 | AlphA_VsT | it was reset 0.o |
| 19:53.04 | AlphA_VsT | and that happened |
| 19:53.34 | Vexal | but there's no reason for it |
| 19:53.39 | Vexal | unless blizzard interfered with the list |
| 19:53.50 | Motive | what's going on? o_O |
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| 19:54.21 | Cheekything | which server? |
| 19:54.32 | Vexal | i keep forgetting there are other countries besides america |
| 19:54.35 | Motive | xD |
| 19:54.55 | JademusSreg | America is a country? |
| 19:55.07 | Vexal | i keep forgetting america is a continent |
| 19:55.11 | Vexal | i just imagine we own the whole thing |
| 19:55.13 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 19:55.24 | Cheekything | america doesn't exist |
| 19:55.28 | Cheekything | it's a illusion |
| 19:55.39 | Bounty | My son is baller |
| 19:55.39 | Cheekything | the americas exist though :P |
| 19:55.42 | Bounty | >< |
| 19:55.54 | AlphA_VsT | it could of been a system error or such you never know but clearly it was reset |
| 19:56.41 | AlphA_VsT | then why isnt it canada of america? |
| 19:56.52 | AlphA_VsT | 0.o |
| 19:57.12 | Vexal | it's not "canada of america" |
| 19:57.16 | Vexal | it's "united canada of america" |
| 19:57.41 | AlphA_VsT | or canada america |
| 19:57.44 | Deaod | canada doesnt need to be united, i imagine |
| 19:57.54 | Cheekything | The americas covers north central and south |
| 19:58.04 | AlphA_VsT | dont lie |
| 19:58.06 | Bounty | Canada is like the most underrated Country ever lol |
| 19:58.13 | Vexal | well, until canada gets electricity, it doesn't really matter what they do. |
| 19:58.19 | Motive | overrated* |
| 19:58.20 | AlphA_VsT | pretty much |
| 19:58.32 | Bounty | How is it overrated? Everyone just bashes Canada |
| 19:58.42 | Motive | Exactly. I firmly believe that Canada isn't bashed enough. |
| 19:58.45 | Bounty | There is like, no negative side to living there |
| 19:58.47 | Motive | We've been slacking lately. |
| 19:58.57 | Vexal | well |
| 19:59.04 | Vexal | canada has no internet, no cars, no electricity |
| 19:59.07 | Vexal | they all live in huts |
| 19:59.13 | Bounty | lol |
| 19:59.13 | Motive | also it's cold |
| 19:59.14 | Vexal | how can you say there's no downside to living there |
| 19:59.19 | Cheekything | ?so they are the new north korea |
| 19:59.25 | Bounty | Because thats not true Vexal |
| 19:59.27 | Vexal | i like koreans. |
| 19:59.32 | AlphA_VsT | no negative? how about waiting 6 months to see a doctor? |
| 19:59.34 | AlphA_VsT | ha |
| 19:59.38 | Ashamed | lol |
| 19:59.41 | Vexal | how about waiting 12 months to get sick |
| 19:59.41 | AlphA_VsT | fuck you free health care |
| 19:59.47 | Cheekything | in the uk here it's like forever :/ |
| 19:59.55 | Ashamed | yeah my manager was telling me it took him like 20 hours to go see a doctor |
| 20:00.03 | Cheekything | thank fuck we still have aprivate secotr |
| 20:00.12 | Ashamed | he is from canada |
| 20:00.13 | Ashamed | the aboot and all |
| 20:00.13 | Ashamed | talks just like em |
| 20:00.25 | AlphA_VsT | eh? |
| 20:00.29 | Bounty | Ok well at the least you can say that the pros and cons when you compared them to the country you live in now greatly favor canada |
| 20:00.29 | Ashamed | yep that too |
| 20:00.32 | Bounty | as a matter of fact |
| 20:00.33 | Ashamed | i give him shit about it all the time |
| 20:00.38 | Bounty | they indubitably favor canada |
| 20:00.40 | Cheekything | idont get whats wrong with both a free and paid health care :/ |
| 20:00.55 | AlphA_VsT | nothing is |
| 20:00.58 | Motive | lololol |
| 20:01.03 | Motive | The entire GDP of Canada is $1 trillion |
| 20:01.06 | Cheekything | so why did everyone go nts over it? |
| 20:01.07 | Motive | the GDP of New York City is $1 trillion |
| 20:01.08 | Motive | we win |
| 20:01.24 | Cheekything | whats london? |
| 20:01.25 | Bounty | America is broke though lol |
| 20:01.30 | Motive | we're not broke |
| 20:01.32 | Motive | common misconception |
| 20:01.36 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:01.41 | AlphA_VsT | we just print more money silly |
| 20:01.41 | Cheekything | they borrowed off the chinese |
| 20:01.49 | Motive | actually most of our debt isn't held by china |
| 20:01.52 | Cheekything | so they are sorted till 2015 |
| 20:01.52 | Ashamed | and in a few hours |
| 20:01.56 | Ashamed | we are about to see it get even worse |
| 20:01.57 | Ashamed | yeah! |
| 20:01.58 | Motive | most people just make up facts and accept them as true |
| 20:01.58 | Cheekything | 0% intrest woo |
| 20:02.03 | Bounty | If i have 100 bucks and i owe someone 1000 |
| 20:02.05 | Bounty | i am broke |
| 20:02.06 | Motive | America is in fine financial shape. Not great, but seriously, we're fine. |
| 20:02.07 | Bounty | so |
| 20:02.09 | Bounty | therefore |
| 20:02.11 | Motive | No because |
| 20:02.12 | Bounty | America is broke |
| 20:02.16 | AlphA_VsT | it is |
| 20:02.17 | Motive | America makes > $10trillion/yr |
| 20:02.24 | Motive | and is only about the same amount in debt |
| 20:02.28 | Motive | which is completely manageable |
| 20:02.37 | Cheekything | shame like 1 trillion of that was spend on blowing people up |
| 20:02.42 | Motive | our interest payments are only $300b |
| 20:02.45 | Motive | which is a drop in the bucket for us |
| 20:02.48 | Ashamed | my friend in the army got payed half the amount he is suppose to |
| 20:02.57 | Ashamed | and his paycheck stops at 12:01 AM |
| 20:03.00 | Bounty | y Ashamed? |
| 20:03.03 | Cheekything | they shoulda given up free penis enlargeents |
| 20:03.03 | Ashamed | and he is still expected to show up |
| 20:03.08 | Bounty | Why did he only get paid half |
| 20:03.09 | Ashamed | because the federal funding is closed |
| 20:03.14 | Ashamed | you guys arn't paying attention to the news? |
| 20:03.19 | Bounty | no i know about that |
| 20:03.20 | AlphA_VsT | because he sold hsi soul to the army gg |
| 20:03.24 | Ashamed | all federal funding is going to be closed as of 12:01 AM |
| 20:03.25 | Motive | federal funding isn't closing, the federal government is, until a budget can be passed. |
| 20:03.25 | Bounty | but i dont get why he only gets paid half |
| 20:03.37 | Ashamed | motive its the funding |
| 20:03.40 | Motive | he'll get paid, just not immediately |
| 20:03.41 | Ashamed | and without funding there is no goverment |
| 20:03.44 | Bounty | imo if they cut the payments of soldiers and still expect them to show up |
| 20:03.45 | Bounty | they should revolt |
| 20:03.49 | Bounty | pitchforks and torches |
| 20:03.54 | Ashamed | its a BILL for our funding |
| 20:03.55 | Motive | bounty, you clearly don't understand how things work here :P |
| 20:04.03 | AlphA_VsT | and then they will put ina draft |
| 20:04.05 | Motive | they're not going to say "tough luck soldiers, no payment" |
| 20:04.05 | Ashamed | and without a bill to show us how our funding is to be spent |
| 20:04.09 | Ashamed | then there is no funding to be spent |
| 20:04.10 | AlphA_VsT | so you dont get paid and you die |
| 20:04.11 | AlphA_VsT | gg |
| 20:04.13 | Motive | they're just going to be delaying payment |
| 20:04.16 | Motive | until the budget is passed |
| 20:04.24 | Ashamed | yep |
| 20:04.24 | Bounty | i was only going based off what Ashamed said |
| 20:04.28 | Motive | the people who's jobs it is to issue the payments are temporarily on furlough so |
| 20:04.30 | Ashamed | but some people could still be losing their jobs |
| 20:04.33 | Ashamed | depending on the bill |
| 20:04.39 | Motive | shit happens |
| 20:04.44 | Ashamed | yeah i think its stupid |
| 20:04.47 | Motive | welcome to working for a huge bureaucracy |
| 20:04.48 | Ashamed | no shit does not fucking happen |
| 20:04.55 | AlphA_VsT | yes it does |
| 20:05.01 | AlphA_VsT | shit happens all day long |
| 20:05.05 | Motive | shit happens, as evidenced by shit just happening now |
| 20:05.05 | Motive | :) |
| 20:05.06 | Ashamed | motibve you have the worse attitude about the usa.. we need to fix this |
| 20:05.07 | AlphA_VsT | never no shitting |
| 20:05.08 | Ashamed | this is not ok |
| 20:05.13 | Bounty | All i keep reading is that this is happening bc of Planned Parenthood lol |
| 20:05.15 | AlphA_VsT | alwats shitting |
| 20:05.18 | Bounty | which cant be right |
| 20:05.22 | Bounty | bc thats just insane >< |
| 20:05.24 | Motive | I live in the USA, and I can tell you that we're fine. |
| 20:05.29 | Motive | We have a bunch of idiots in office, but we're still fine. |
| 20:05.32 | AlphA_VsT | i feel fine also |
| 20:05.37 | Ashamed | .. i liv ein the USA |
| 20:05.37 | AlphA_VsT | so we are fine |
| 20:05.39 | Motive | There's no danger of revolts, etc. |
| 20:05.47 | AlphA_VsT | im hungry though |
| 20:05.48 | Bounty | Do you prefer Demo or Repub Motive? |
| 20:05.50 | Ashamed | and we are not fine... motive stuff like this shouldn't happen |
| 20:05.54 | Motive | Neither, they're both idiots. |
| 20:05.55 | Ashamed | we shouldn't not pay our military |
| 20:05.58 | Ashamed | even for one day |
| 20:06.03 | Motive | No it shouldn't. but it's unrelated to the actual finances themselves |
| 20:06.09 | Bounty | well no shit motive but there is an obvious better party lol |
| 20:06.13 | Motive | our finances could handle paying everyone what they're owed. it's just the dems and republicans being children over it |
| 20:06.18 | Ashamed | ............................................. but you have this it doesn't matter attutude |
| 20:06.27 | Ashamed | and people like you are the people that got us in the hole |
| 20:06.29 | Motive | I have the "its not the end of the world" attitude |
| 20:06.30 | Ashamed | IT does matter |
| 20:06.31 | Motive | :P |
| 20:06.33 | Motive | No |
| 20:06.36 | Motive | I didn't get us into any hole |
| 20:06.46 | Ashamed | well you obv don't really give a shit about anything |
| 20:06.49 | Ashamed | so... you didnt help |
| 20:06.53 | Bounty | You are alittle to positive Motive lol |
| 20:07.04 | AlphA_VsT | ashamed think about the professional sports palyters who make millions a year and think how fuckign backwards shit is |
| 20:07.04 | Ashamed | he was doing this the other day too |
| 20:07.15 | Ashamed | YEAH |
| 20:07.16 | Ashamed | thats fucked up |
| 20:07.17 | Motive | I give a shit, I just recognize that doomsday predictions are BS :P |
| 20:07.20 | Ashamed | and we are still paying them |
| 20:07.23 | Ashamed | but not our military |
| 20:07.27 | Ashamed | isn't that some FUCKED up shit |
| 20:07.28 | Motive | This is just the dems and republicans being children. Be outraged about that. |
| 20:07.29 | Bounty | .... |
| 20:07.34 | Bounty | nobody is talking about doomsday predictions Motive lol |
| 20:07.41 | Bounty | Shit can be bad |
| 20:07.42 | Ashamed | i am not saying there is doomsday |
| 20:07.43 | Motive | you were talking about pitchforks and revolts |
| 20:07.43 | Bounty | without being the end |
| 20:07.43 | Motive | :P |
| 20:07.48 | Bounty | yeah |
| 20:07.49 | Ashamed | where did i say there is going to be a dooms day |
| 20:07.52 | Bounty | i said if they dont pay the army |
| 20:07.55 | Bounty | and expect them to show up |
| 20:07.59 | Bounty | they should revolt lol |
| 20:08.00 | Ashamed | yeah shit will happen soon |
| 20:08.01 | Bounty | thats all i said |
| 20:08.02 | AlphA_VsT | they have no choice |
| 20:08.08 | Ashamed | yeah the last time this happened it took 21 days after the freeze |
| 20:08.17 | Ashamed | 21 days for peopl ein the military to fight without pay |
| 20:08.21 | AlphA_VsT | if your in the army you signed over your free will |
| 20:08.27 | Ashamed | yeah i know |
| 20:08.28 | Bounty | for money |
| 20:08.30 | Motive | anyways, I need to pay attention to SC2 now :P |
| 20:08.31 | Ashamed | i told all my freinds NOOOOO |
| 20:08.52 | Bounty | i laugh everytime i see an army commercial |
| 20:09.01 | Bounty | they try to make it look like you would be living as a hollywood action star |
| 20:09.03 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:09.12 | AlphA_VsT | yeah |
| 20:09.13 | Ashamed | lol |
| 20:09.20 | Ashamed | have you seen border controlle comercial before? |
| 20:09.23 | Ashamed | they are even better |
| 20:09.32 | Bounty | not to my memory |
| 20:09.34 | Bounty | but im sure i have |
| 20:09.43 | AlphA_VsT | i dont live near a border |
| 20:09.44 | AlphA_VsT | :P |
| 20:09.46 | AlphA_VsT | so |
| 20:10.02 | Ashamed | no zoos for us either :( |
| 20:10.03 | *** join/#sc2mapster syltman (53f81f04@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.248.31.4) |
| 20:10.08 | Ashamed | or national parks |
| 20:10.14 | Ashamed | if you are waiting on a paper tax return |
| 20:10.16 | Ashamed | none for you |
| 20:10.22 | Ashamed | if you got audited you must wait too |
| 20:10.31 | Ashamed | irs customer service will be closed >< |
| 20:10.35 | Ashamed | irs is going to be closed |
| 20:10.46 | Bounty | i didnt mail out my state tax this year |
| 20:10.49 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:10.53 | Ashamed | you did eletroinic? |
| 20:10.56 | Bounty | no |
| 20:10.59 | Bounty | nothing |
| 20:11.00 | Ashamed | you just didnt do it yet? |
| 20:11.02 | Ashamed | oh shiz |
| 20:11.06 | Bounty | well |
| 20:11.07 | Bounty | i did it |
| 20:11.11 | Bounty | and i didnt owe anything |
| 20:11.13 | Ashamed | well you can still file eletronicly and you should get it |
| 20:11.13 | Bounty | it was all zeros |
| 20:11.17 | Ashamed | oh |
| 20:11.27 | Bounty | i didnt owe anything nor was i getting anything |
| 20:11.31 | Ashamed | yeah |
| 20:11.34 | Bounty | so i figured fucked it, lets see what happens |
| 20:11.35 | Bounty | lol |
| 20:11.42 | Ashamed | ha |
| 20:12.15 | Bounty | i wont be surprised if i get fined |
| 20:12.17 | Bounty | which makes no sense |
| 20:13.18 | AlphA_VsT | lol bounty you have to make a min amount to have to file |
| 20:13.36 | Bounty | well i did make money |
| 20:13.40 | Bounty | i just didnt owe anything |
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| 20:13.46 | Bounty | so i guess that means i didnt hit the bracket |
| 20:13.49 | Bounty | to have to file |
| 20:13.52 | AlphA_VsT | yeah |
| 20:14.01 | Bounty | i was surprised bc i withdrew from my 401 |
| 20:14.07 | Bounty | and i didnt have to pay anything lol |
| 20:16.51 | Bounty | I only had to pay like 600 out of over 20k |
| 20:16.56 | Bounty | for Federal |
| 20:17.02 | Bounty | so that was good |
| 20:18.17 | AlphA_VsT | hmmmm |
| 20:18.41 | AlphA_VsT | is it possible to add terrian objects through triggers? |
| 20:25.04 | AlphA_VsT | anyone? |
| 20:29.32 | Motive | I dont see why not |
| 20:35.41 | AlphA_VsT | im looking :( |
| 20:35.50 | Motive | Spawn the actor only? |
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| 20:37.52 | Dekar | i wonder |
| 20:38.10 | Dekar | if every country has debts |
| 20:38.13 | AlphA_VsT | i dont see anything for terrain shit |
| 20:38.18 | Dekar | there must be some countries |
| 20:38.21 | Motive | you won't |
| 20:38.24 | Dekar | who should get a lot of money |
| 20:38.29 | Motive | just spawn the actor for the terrain object |
| 20:39.35 | AlphA_VsT | i cant |
| 20:40.40 | Motive | why not? o_O |
| 20:43.31 | AlphA_VsT | only gives me terrian object doodads |
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| 20:47.11 | AlphA_VsT | sigh |
| 20:47.24 | AlphA_VsT | that would of solved my issues for sure |
| 20:47.35 | Motive | @dekar: yeah. every country has debts, to each other |
| 20:47.41 | Motive | the net result being mostly 0 |
| 20:47.56 | Motive | china has products we need, and we have services chinese need, etc. |
| 20:48.10 | Mephs | smashcraft more popular than sotis |
| 20:48.11 | Mephs | get at me |
| 20:49.20 | Mephs | plus china makes chinese food |
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| 20:50.32 | SoulTaker_ | howdy |
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| 20:51.56 | JademusSreg | What's Smashcraft? |
| 20:52.46 | JademusSreg | Is that a Super Smash Bros map or some such? |
| 20:54.27 | Mephs | go play it |
| 20:54.35 | Mephs | its too incredible to describe in words |
| 20:54.40 | JademusSreg | Can't at the moment. Busy. |
| 20:54.45 | Mephs | your loss |
| 20:54.50 | Deaod | from what ive seen its an arena |
| 20:55.13 | JademusSreg | I was hoping for a description that might evoke my interest. |
| 20:55.28 | Mephs | explosions |
| 20:55.29 | Deaod | two teams (of 3?) fight each other |
| 20:55.35 | Mephs | also, transvestites. |
| 20:55.51 | JademusSreg | So it's The Rocky Horror Picture Show? |
| 20:56.13 | Mephs | its like bloodline champions but not quite |
| 20:56.20 | JademusSreg | Or is it more like a David Bowie concert? |
| 20:56.42 | JademusSreg | I don't know what that is. |
| 20:57.02 | Motive | smashcraft = another word for rough buttsex |
| 20:57.13 | syltman | it's a decent map |
| 20:57.15 | Mephs | but if you want a real description its a 3v3 arena game where everything is a skillshot, no items, no farming for 30 minutes, just pure combat |
| 20:57.30 | SoulTaker_ | dont suppose any of u have experience replacing dc ports on laptops |
| 20:57.30 | syltman | I think it tries to be a bit too fast paced and fails because of sc2 limitation |
| 20:57.31 | Mephs | its like a weird mixup of street fighter, wow arena, dota, and an fps |
| 20:57.35 | JademusSreg | Sounds neat. Do all your own custom UI and sounds? |
| 20:57.38 | Mephs | yup |
| 20:57.50 | Mephs | youtube the name and you'll find lots of videos if you want to see it in action |
| 20:57.56 | SoulTaker_ | i jsut took apart someone and the whole port is shot i need to resolder one back on but im kinda nervous cause ive never done this type of repair befor |
| 20:58.19 | JademusSreg | Most maps borrow sounds from other ip, I'd be impressed by a map that doesn't use any sounds from copyrighted works. |
| 20:58.30 | Mephs | yea too bad i'm not a musician |
| 20:58.31 | Mephs | or i would. |
| 20:58.41 | Mephs | or a sound effects guy |
| 20:58.51 | Mephs | i did some neat protoss voice overs for the upcoming tutorial mode tho |
| 20:58.59 | syltman | Mephs, what are the voices taken from? |
| 20:59.07 | Mephs | i did the char select voices |
| 20:59.11 | SoulTaker_ | so jade, when u get a chance u said u would help me? |
| 20:59.14 | Mephs | the female announcer is from blazblue |
| 20:59.25 | SoulTaker_ | i got units to spawn around the barrier |
| 20:59.34 | SoulTaker_ | and the triggers r working |
| 21:00.00 | JademusSreg | Hm. Starting to sound familiar. |
| 21:00.10 | JademusSreg | I may have played Smashcraft. Was enjoyable. |
| 21:00.21 | Mephs | then i need say no more |
| 21:00.21 | JademusSreg | Well polished. |
| 21:00.44 | JademusSreg | Taker, what's up? |
| 21:00.45 | Motive | SC2 mappers need to learn the value of polish |
| 21:00.48 | SoulTaker_ | i know i do.. |
| 21:00.48 | Motive | so many maps w/o any |
| 21:00.53 | JademusSreg | Seriously. Most maps are as bad as SC1 maps. |
| 21:00.56 | SoulTaker_ | thats why i talked to u motive |
| 21:00.59 | SoulTaker_ | for polishing |
| 21:01.05 | SoulTaker_ | i implemented all ur seggestions |
| 21:01.10 | Motive | Cool :) |
| 21:01.11 | Mephs | they do |
| 21:01.34 | SoulTaker_ | its not so much i cant polish its that i duno how to polish. |
| 21:01.34 | SoulTaker_ | XD |
| 21:01.43 | JademusSreg | Wax on, wav off. |
| 21:01.46 | JademusSreg | *wax |
| 21:01.47 | Deaod | most maps wont have any sort of polish, at any point in time |
| 21:01.49 | Mephs | the #1 thing i'm told about my map is that it doesn't feel like a custom map, but its own game |
| 21:02.01 | Mephs | thats how you know you've got a polished game |
| 21:02.11 | Mexa | Mephs, you better fix the UI confusion then |
| 21:02.19 | Motive | I disagree. A polished map can fit into the SC2 ethos without the user going |
| 21:02.20 | Mephs | sup with the ui? |
| 21:02.24 | Motive | "lol wtf" |
| 21:02.37 | Mexa | Having your ui saying its AZERTY instead of QWERTY is not right, especially not on EU |
| 21:02.44 | Mephs | ah yeah |
| 21:02.47 | Motive | The parts just have to fit. Additional UI elements can't feel out of place or not part of SC2. |
| 21:02.49 | Mephs | i posted info on how to use GRID to fix that |
| 21:02.59 | Motive | I have a little tweaking to do on PC about that |
| 21:03.09 | Mexa | Well |
| 21:03.20 | Motive | And your loading screen should be short, simple, to the point, imo |
| 21:03.24 | Motive | and no email me at mymap@hotmail.com |
| 21:03.24 | Mexa | It was quite confusing that your UI said other than my buttons did |
| 21:03.25 | Motive | xD |
| 21:03.29 | Mephs | yea i know |
| 21:03.36 | Mephs | i'll probably get around to fixing that for the eu ppls |
| 21:03.46 | Mephs | in the meantime get normal keyboards :p |
| 21:03.48 | Mexa | thanks, would be appreciated |
| 21:03.50 | JademusSreg | Who wants to get email from strangers? =\ |
| 21:03.57 | SoulTaker_ | MEMEME |
| 21:03.59 | SoulTaker_ | im lonly.. |
| 21:04.02 | SoulTaker_ | :( |
| 21:04.02 | Deaod | normal keyboards? |
| 21:04.05 | Mexa | It was the major flaw tbh:P |
| 21:04.08 | Mephs | yea |
| 21:04.10 | Motive | Website > Email |
| 21:04.10 | Motive | :) |
| 21:04.19 | Motive | I need to setup a website main portal for my projects |
| 21:04.19 | Motive | Lol |
| 21:04.41 | Motive | Also your site can't look like shit |
| 21:04.41 | Motive | >< |
| 21:04.46 | Motive | Keep your shit clean and professional |
| 21:04.48 | Mephs | yeah... |
| 21:04.52 | Mephs | i dont have time to work on the site |
| 21:04.56 | Mephs | and no one will step up |
| 21:05.02 | Mephs | i've had 3 ppl flake on me on that note |
| 21:05.03 | Motive | Your site was fine. Plain but it could've been a lot worse. |
| 21:05.10 | Mephs | but i finally got around to a loading screen |
| 21:05.11 | Mephs | http://www.playsmashcraft.com/Smashcraft_Loading.jpg |
| 21:05.15 | Motive | I like my site. Lol |
| 21:05.15 | Motive | http://cortexrp.com/beta/ |
| 21:05.18 | Motive | Simple but meh |
| 21:05.20 | Motive | It works |
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| 21:05.29 | SoulTaker_ | hm... |
| 21:05.31 | SoulTaker_ | need help? |
| 21:05.38 | SoulTaker_ | <--- known php |
| 21:05.42 | SoulTaker_ | knows* |
| 21:05.43 | Mephs | well i could do it |
| 21:05.44 | Mephs | i just dont have time |
| 21:05.49 | Stewox | anyone else knows how to scale up creep footprint so it's larger, these are all copied "Large" footprint parts (3 for each, custom Huge and Larger) http://pastebin.com/KuzWQs8s |
| 21:05.49 | Mephs | i did web design professionally for a living |
| 21:05.51 | JademusSreg | Prefixing "play" in the URL, I wonder if that started with or predates DotA. |
| 21:05.59 | Mephs | and the 2.0 updates are taking up all my time |
| 21:06.01 | Motive | it's a dota thing |
| 21:06.01 | Motive | Lol |
| 21:06.26 | SoulTaker_ | JademusSreg |
| 21:06.49 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 21:07.08 | SoulTaker_ | so, i made a behavior called barrier with a period of 1 |
| 21:07.19 | JademusSreg | I can't be pinged/beeped/flashed/tickled; no point in using the full handle. |
| 21:07.22 | SoulTaker_ | and a search effect with a radius of 2 and arch of 360 |
| 21:07.41 | SoulTaker_ | i belive i need to link the search effect dont i? |
| 21:07.43 | Motive | Well Jademus, you certainly can be slapped. |
| 21:07.44 | Motive | slaps JademusSreg around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:07.52 | JademusSreg | Nope. Doesn't work, Motive. |
| 21:08.04 | Motive | I just did :P |
| 21:08.15 | JademusSreg | Doesn't force my client to annoy me. |
| 21:08.18 | Motive | Slap has no notify effect. It's just me slapping you in IRC. |
| 21:08.19 | Motive | Lol |
| 21:08.40 | SoulTaker_ | LOL |
| 21:08.44 | JademusSreg | Behavior periodic effect should be the search effect. |
| 21:08.57 | JademusSreg | Search effect area effect sbhould be kill. |
| 21:09.36 | Stewox | purl slap yourself |
| 21:09.36 | purl | ACTION slaps yourself, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 21:09.43 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 21:09.45 | SoulTaker_ | oh man this is way over my head but IM READY. were is this "kill" in the search effect? |
| 21:10.00 | Deaod | purl slap himself |
| 21:10.00 | purl | ACTION slaps himself, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 21:10.03 | SoulTaker_ | *searches as i wait* |
| 21:10.14 | Motive | purl eat shit |
| 21:10.14 | purl | ACTION slurps up all the shit available |
| 21:10.17 | JademusSreg | You see the Area + field array? |
| 21:10.29 | SoulTaker_ | yes |
| 21:10.34 | Stewox | purl what is 5 times 5 |
| 21:10.35 | purl | Stewox: what are you talking about? |
| 21:10.36 | SoulTaker_ | i set that to radius 4ish and 360 arch |
| 21:10.47 | JademusSreg | The first area defined there, set its effect to Kill. |
| 21:10.49 | Stewox | length |
| 21:10.58 | Stewox | purl im talking about zergs |
| 21:11.03 | SoulTaker_ | oh dont i need to make the effect kill? |
| 21:11.23 | Stewox | purl 5 * 5 = |
| 21:11.25 | SoulTaker_ | what type of effect is that? |
| 21:11.36 | Helral | where's Sixen when you want to whack him. |
| 21:11.41 | Helral | uhm I mean ask him something. |
| 21:11.42 | JademusSreg | Kill is a damage class effect. |
| 21:11.51 | Stewox | nobody has an idea how creep footpring works |
| 21:11.53 | Stewox | ? |
| 21:12.03 | Helral | Stewox: how do you mean? |
| 21:12.19 | Stewox | there's 2 different creeps |
| 21:12.23 | Stewox | medium and large |
| 21:12.26 | Stewox | medium is for creep tumor |
| 21:12.30 | Stewox | and large for hatchery |
| 21:12.41 | JademusSreg | I thought it was clear, Stew. What isn't working? |
| 21:12.50 | Stewox | medium creep footprint |
| 21:12.56 | Stewox | has 3 different files |
| 21:13.04 | SoulTaker_ | so for my search area i attached kill effect(which is a dmg effect) |
| 21:13.08 | Stewox | Build , Start , and Footprint |
| 21:13.14 | JademusSreg | Yes, Taker. |
| 21:13.36 | Stewox | so , i copied all 3 of them , and made a custom creep named Huge and Large , i duplicated six in total but 3 each |
| 21:13.44 | SoulTaker_ | so im my kill effect set combat to 9999999999? |
| 21:13.49 | Stewox | all i want to do is to increase the radius of the creeps |
| 21:13.54 | JademusSreg | Taker, do not modify the effect. |
| 21:13.58 | Stewox | and it's apparently very complicated |
| 21:14.04 | JademusSreg | Just use Kill (Generic Kill Command). |
| 21:14.27 | Helral | Stewox: not just simply enlarging the area? |
| 21:14.33 | JademusSreg | Stew, increase the footprint dimensions, flag the cells in layer, repaint the shape. |
| 21:14.43 | SoulTaker_ | were would i find that in the damage effect? |
| 21:14.49 | Stewox | so helral got any idea about what to modify to make these medium duplicates into according Huge and Larger http://pastebin.com/KuzWQs8s |
| 21:14.57 | JademusSreg | Taker, I just don't even know what you are doing. |
| 21:15.10 | SoulTaker_ | neither do i but im trying very hard |
| 21:15.12 | JademusSreg | I can't explain it any more simply than I did above. |
| 21:15.14 | SoulTaker_ | ok recap: |
| 21:15.20 | Stewox | medium blizzard named as 8x6 , what are they talking about ,cell size , where did they calculate ti |
| 21:15.25 | Stewox | from what |
| 21:15.40 | SoulTaker_ | i created a behavior called barrier then i created a search effect effect and a damage effect |
| 21:15.46 | JademusSreg | There is a cell size you can see in the editor. |
| 21:15.47 | Stewox | i opted for 9x7 and 12x10 |
| 21:15.55 | SoulTaker_ | in area+ i added the dmg effect to a arc of 360 and radius of 4 |
| 21:16.00 | JademusSreg | Press Ctrl Shift H |
| 21:16.26 | JademusSreg | Those are the cells used by layer, standard 1*1 |
| 21:16.26 | Helral | Stewox: you see those rows, and the shape it creates? |
| 21:16.27 | Stewox | yeah that's only a name "makecreep?x?blabla" these are the IDs of these footprints |
| 21:16.39 | Stewox | yes i have paste opened |
| 21:16.49 | Stewox | this is FootprintData.xml |
| 21:16.54 | Stewox | only has those duplicates |
| 21:16.57 | Helral | that's basicly the shape it will take/has. |
| 21:17.18 | Helral | a "." is not used for the footprint, a "o" is used for the footprint. |
| 21:17.24 | JademusSreg | . |
| 21:17.40 | Helral | just add more rows as you need them. |
| 21:17.57 | Stewox | i don't need to edit any values as per , RADIUS , ... etc |
| 21:18.01 | Stewox | ? |
| 21:18.08 | Stewox | w |
| 21:18.28 | SoulTaker_ | i duno what to say jade, i wish u gusy had skype then u could see what im doing wrong |
| 21:18.30 | SoulTaker_ | :( |
| 21:18.39 | Stewox | how many rows should i add to achieve equivalent of 9x7 and 12x10 , we don't know from where they took this or what was theri calc |
| 21:19.20 | Stewox | what about Area , jademusserg was talking about that |
| 21:19.22 | Stewox | earlier |
| 21:19.58 | JademusSreg | Cartesian coords, center 0,0 |
| 21:20.11 | JademusSreg | The values define the corners. |
| 21:20.19 | Stewox | yes i got that |
| 21:20.28 | Stewox | but what's in the game |
| 21:20.37 | Stewox | i have no way to see how many cells |
| 21:20.49 | Motive | turn on build grid |
| 21:20.53 | Motive | get yourself a probe and 400 mins |
| 21:20.56 | Motive | move the nexus footprint around |
| 21:20.56 | Motive | :P |
| 21:21.26 | Stewox | this is xml ... editing on blind |
| 21:22.02 | Stewox | what is c |
| 21:22.32 | JademusSreg | I mentioned before doing it via xml in this case is unnecessary, as you will need to redefine the shape anyway. |
| 21:23.04 | Stewox | but you were the one who got me here |
| 21:23.10 | Stewox | purl slap jademusserg |
| 21:23.10 | purl | ACTION slaps jademusserg, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 21:23.30 | Stewox | you said the editor was buggy and not to mess there |
| 21:23.31 | Stewox | :p |
| 21:23.43 | Stewox | since i would have to RE-paint everything |
| 21:25.09 | Stewox | should i got figure out my self or stick away from this buggy piece |
| 21:25.19 | Stewox | ti takes 5 seconds to start it |
| 21:25.23 | Stewox | and close it |
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| 21:27.20 | Stewox | i don't get it , from where does area start |
| 21:27.24 | Stewox | bottom right corner |
| 21:27.25 | JademusSreg | I didn't say not to use it. |
| 21:27.31 | Stewox | -1 to 2 |
| 21:27.33 | Stewox | should be 3 |
| 21:27.37 | JademusSreg | I said you can do it via xml if you want to retain the shape. |
| 21:27.38 | Stewox | that would be 3 cell size |
| 21:27.41 | Stewox | correct ? |
| 21:27.54 | Stewox | i don't even know what is the shape |
| 21:28.06 | Stewox | shape of what ? |
| 21:28.12 | JademusSreg | Of the footprint. |
| 21:28.25 | Helral | Stewox: the reason why 12x12 is a 9x9 creep area is because it has a 3x3 base. (incase you were wondering about that) |
| 21:28.26 | Stewox | it looks like a texture lying down so ... |
| 21:29.03 | Helral | or what were the values ;p |
| 21:29.06 | Stewox | okay so those Cartesian coordinates are correctly cell size |
| 21:29.25 | Stewox | but area is -25 , 25 in the final footprint |
| 21:29.31 | Stewox | that's 50 ? |
| 21:29.33 | Helral | each cell is 1x1. |
| 21:29.50 | Helral | uhm think so or 51 ;p |
| 21:29.56 | Stewox | 2x2 = 4 cells |
| 21:30.03 | Stewox | okay |
| 21:30.11 | Stewox | so 50 is actually accurate |
| 21:30.17 | JademusSreg | 50, yes. |
| 21:30.25 | Stewox | i thought it was too large |
| 21:30.26 | Helral | 25+25+1(the 0 position) |
| 21:30.38 | Helral | unless it skips 0. |
| 21:30.38 | JademusSreg | zero is a point, not cell. |
| 21:31.02 | JademusSreg | -1,1 will cover 2 cells. |
| 21:31.23 | Stewox | so -1 indicates it's actually footprint a little offset |
| 21:31.29 | Stewox | the question is , to which side |
| 21:31.32 | Helral | JademusSreg: depends. they could have used 0 for the center cell ;p apparently they didn't. |
| 21:31.52 | Helral | negative is offset to the left. |
| 21:32.05 | Helral | positive is offset to the right. |
| 21:32.09 | Stewox | let's dump the 8x6 and 12x10 naming , it's confusing |
| 21:32.12 | Helral | or Top/Bottom respec. |
| 21:32.25 | Stewox | blizzard has a lot of weirdoes programming , seen inaccuracies |
| 21:32.34 | Helral | hehehe |
| 21:32.57 | Helral | try figuring out how to reset the default Height/Width value of UI frames.... |
| 21:33.22 | Stewox | jeah , seen it , all the stuff is done right somewhere (cant recall) and there's something else which is done like wacky with a weird naming scheme , some programmers are just lazy |
| 21:33.35 | JademusSreg | Taker, have you got it yet? |
| 21:33.43 | JademusSreg | If not, take some screenshots. |
| 21:37.52 | Stewox | rows are 26 |
| 21:38.01 | Stewox | and characters are 25 per row |
| 21:38.11 | Stewox | in -12 13 |
| 21:41.35 | Stewox | jademus |
| 21:41.40 | Stewox | why would i need to rewrite shapes |
| 21:46.51 | Stewox | im going in |
| 21:48.05 | Stewox | only one thing |
| 21:48.08 | Stewox | i don't know why is |
| 21:49.02 | Stewox | -12 , 13 = 26 rows , 25 characters , but -1 , 2 is , 3 rows and 3 chars |
| 21:53.00 | AlphA_VsT | i found all kinds of doodads weee |
| 21:54.22 | AlphA_VsT | gah im hungry |
| 21:54.44 | AlphA_VsT | and i need to find out why my map lags for the first 10 seconds :P its probably still loading haha eak |
| 21:56.10 | Bounty | i hate how my 6950 locks its core to 500mhz when im watching streams |
| 21:58.31 | AlphA_VsT | ? |
| 22:00.15 | Bounty | my vid card |
| 22:00.17 | Bounty | when i have a stream playing |
| 22:00.18 | *** join/#sc2mapster MrOp (MrOp@76.76.73.7) |
| 22:00.26 | Bounty | and i open up a game |
| 22:00.35 | Bounty | it doesnt hit its 800mhz core clock |
| 22:00.37 | Bounty | it stays at 500 |
| 22:00.40 | Bounty | bc i have a stream open lol |
| 22:01.28 | JademusSreg | That's neat, Stew. I'm not sure why that is the case. |
| 22:02.05 | AlphA_VsT | no bread FUCK YOU!!! |
| 22:02.36 | JademusSreg | Sounds like JTHM |
| 22:02.44 | Bounty | HAI JADEMUS |
| 22:02.55 | Bounty | We should play our maps on map night 2night |
| 22:02.55 | JademusSreg | Hi. |
| 22:02.57 | Bounty | and put them to a vote |
| 22:03.03 | JademusSreg | Mehbeh. |
| 22:03.06 | Bounty | to which one is named Gravball and more fun |
| 22:03.12 | Bounty | =P |
| 22:03.18 | JademusSreg | I'm working on getting mine playable, but I may not have time. |
| 22:03.26 | Bounty | it is playable |
| 22:03.29 | Bounty | it just doesnt end lol |
| 22:04.41 | JademusSreg | Yes. Working on that now. |
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| 22:05.08 | *** mode/#sc2mapster [+o Sixen] by ChanServ |
| 22:05.14 | FockeWulf | Hey guys does the validator compair cliff level work? and if so how do i set it such that it will detect the cliff level of the unit the buff is on? |
| 22:07.02 | Motive | Map night in 2 hrs :D |
| 22:07.43 | JademusSreg | Woo! |
| 22:08.06 | JademusSreg | I'm going to be very busy for the next hours. Hold my calls. |
| 22:08.15 | Stewox | following up .. what's a map night :p |
| 22:08.53 | Dekar | we already play for hours |
| 22:08.55 | Dekar | D: |
| 22:08.58 | Motive | Bahahahaha |
| 22:09.04 | JademusSreg | http://www.sc2mapster.com/ |
| 22:09.04 | Motive | I'm doing EU map night already |
| 22:09.07 | Motive | then I'll switch over to NA :D |
| 22:09.09 | Motive | DOUBLE MAP NIGHT |
| 22:09.09 | Motive | :) |
| 22:12.01 | Stewox | switch over |
| 22:12.05 | Stewox | 2 copies ? |
| 22:12.45 | Stewox | mod and map region locking is ridicolous if you ask me , this is probably the worst thing currently on bnet |
| 22:13.03 | Stewox | try to think of something worse |
| 22:13.41 | JademusSreg | Nope, it's the worst. |
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| 22:14.36 | Motive | yup |
| 22:14.38 | Motive | 2 copies, I have |
| 22:14.38 | Motive | :) |
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| 22:23.18 | SoulTaker_ | motive |
| 22:23.22 | SoulTaker_ | can u ehlp me? |
| 22:23.32 | SoulTaker_ | i kn ow ur not good in data |
| 22:23.33 | Bounty | How long till US Map Night? |
| 22:23.34 | SoulTaker_ | but still |
| 22:23.57 | Motive | 1.5 hours, bounty |
| 22:24.00 | Motive | I'm on EU atm, soul |
| 22:24.15 | Motive | at least, I think so |
| 22:24.17 | Motive | it's 8 PM EST iirc |
| 22:24.23 | SoulTaker_ | hey |
| 22:24.26 | SoulTaker_ | motive.. |
| 22:24.28 | SoulTaker_ | :( |
| 22:24.36 | Motive | Next map night will be held on Friday, April 8st at 9pm eastern time, all night. |
| 22:24.38 | Motive | nvm |
| 22:24.39 | Motive | 9pm today |
| 22:24.43 | Motive | more EU map night! |
| 22:25.51 | Motive | double map night is the greatest thing ever |
| 22:26.01 | Stewox | this is mapnight |
| 22:26.04 | Stewox | where can i apply |
| 22:26.08 | Stewox | wanna join |
| 22:26.19 | Motive | just log onto SC2 at 9pm EST and join "sc2mapnight" channel |
| 22:26.20 | Motive | and you're in |
| 22:26.29 | Stewox | 9 PM est |
| 22:26.34 | Stewox | how much is that GMT |
| 22:26.43 | Motive | 9 PM EST is GMT -5 |
| 22:26.55 | Motive | so 2AM GMT |
| 22:26.56 | Stewox | okay how much EST is time right now ? |
| 22:27.00 | Motive | 6:27 PM EST |
| 22:27.38 | Stewox | 1 hour and half ? |
| 22:27.40 | Stewox | to it |
| 22:27.44 | Stewox | ah that's so late |
| 22:27.52 | Stewox | it's 00:30 here now |
| 22:28.10 | Stewox | GMT + 2 |
| 22:28.19 | Motive | well |
| 22:28.21 | Motive | that's like what, london? |
| 22:28.30 | Stewox | no |
| 22:28.31 | Stewox | CET |
| 22:28.37 | Motive | you're in Europe? |
| 22:28.38 | Stewox | summer |
| 22:28.44 | Motive | Euro map night is right now, in "sc2mapster" on EU |
| 22:28.58 | Stewox | London is greenwich you nincompoop |
| 22:29.11 | Stewox | greenwich is GMT + 0 |
| 22:29.19 | Motive | Hey, I don't live there :P |
| 22:29.25 | Motive | I guessed haha |
| 22:29.27 | Stewox | i was asking about EU lol |
| 22:29.30 | Stewox | lol |
| 22:29.30 | Motive | Ah |
| 22:29.33 | Motive | well EU is going on right now |
| 22:29.38 | Motive | "sc2mapster" channel |
| 22:29.41 | Stewox | how much til it's done ? |
| 22:29.45 | Stewox | all nighter ? |
| 22:30.03 | Stewox | okay , gonna check out |
| 22:30.03 | Motive | until everyone gets tired, yeah |
| 22:30.05 | Stewox | got the live feed |
| 22:30.10 | Motive | game just started now, so you may have a wait |
| 22:30.18 | Motive | be sure to support next game being phantomcraft :P |
| 22:30.18 | Stewox | damn |
| 22:30.26 | Stewox | i heard in the bcg , tic tic tic |
| 22:30.34 | JManV | i had something important come up and i can't make map night tonight :( |
| 22:30.42 | Motive | :( |
| 22:30.45 | Motive | I can do it if you want. Lol |
| 22:30.52 | Motive | I'll even setup a stream if I can. |
| 22:31.15 | JManV | if you want, that would be great |
| 22:31.23 | Motive | Happy to. 9 PM EST is the scheduled time now, right? |
| 22:31.28 | JManV | steam if you feel like it, otherwise its fine |
| 22:31.32 | JManV | yeah |
| 22:31.36 | Motive | k, consider it done :) |
| 22:31.58 | JManV | thanks motive |
| 22:32.14 | Stewox | used to go out on friday night , year later , im playing SC2 at home ... ... ... |
| 22:32.41 | Motive | xD |
| 22:32.42 | Stewox | who would have thought |
| 22:32.54 | Stewox | you guys seem a lot older |
| 22:33.03 | Motive | <- 19 |
| 22:33.05 | Stewox | like ... counted 5 guys with families |
| 22:33.36 | SoulTaker_ | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/data/20512-need-to-kill-all-missles-nearby-a-unit/ |
| 22:33.45 | Stewox | 21 :P |
| 22:33.47 | SoulTaker_ | feel free to help a loser noob |
| 22:33.51 | SoulTaker_ | :) |
| 22:38.06 | Stewox | duke nukem was delayed again |
| 22:38.30 | Stewox | should i expect more polish , possibly , PC version , hope so |
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| 22:55.46 | AlphA_VsT | i thought that game came out |
| 22:56.39 | AlphA_VsT | i even watched the whole intro to that game |
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| 23:00.43 | [M]Luminou | Is it possible to make a player "spawn" a building, with placement etc, like it would with a worker ? |
| 23:01.37 | tordy | qwha'ts the corec tway to spell teratron? |
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| 23:03.18 | Dekar | the way blizz spells it? :p |
| 23:03.31 | Dekar | terra-tron |
| 23:04.09 | [M]Luminou | i can make the player spawn a building where i specified, but not where he wants, is that possible ? |
| 23:05.09 | tordy | 2 rs w/ dash |
| 23:05.10 | tordy | ok |
| 23:11.38 | Bounty | Anyone want to help test new version of GravBall? |
| 23:11.42 | Bounty | added multiple balls :) |
| 23:15.56 | Bounty | jademussreg |
| 23:15.57 | Bounty | u there? |
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| 23:27.04 | Stewox | great mapnight |
| 23:27.16 | Stewox | gonna be last game on EU i think |
| 23:27.22 | Stewox | real late |
| 23:33.30 | Motive | NA map night in 1:30. channel sc2mapnight |
| 23:33.30 | Motive | :) |
| 23:33.49 | RodOfNOD | :P |
| 23:33.52 | Motive | 9pm est |
| 23:34.00 | RodOfNOD | sorry stewox i thouhgt u meant how do u pm in sc2 bnet not here |
| 23:34.41 | Stewox | oh .. ah , it's fine now :) |
| 23:35.16 | Stewox | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/general/off-topic/4128-sc2mapster-quote-thread/?page=2 |
| 23:37.26 | Bounty | How does Unit Index number work |
| 23:37.27 | Bounty | i set it |
| 23:37.31 | Bounty | and whenever i call it |
| 23:37.34 | Bounty | it returns that number? |
| 23:40.04 | Mephs | da fuck is grav balls |
| 23:40.07 | Mephs | grab balls? |
| 23:40.19 | Stewox | you grab bals |
| 23:40.23 | Stewox | never played it |
| 23:40.25 | Bounty | Its the next big thing in MOBA |
| 23:40.28 | Mephs | leave it to bounty |
| 23:40.34 | Mephs | to make something completely homosexual |
| 23:41.41 | Stewox | i think it's called |
| 23:41.45 | Stewox | grab bal |
| 23:41.50 | Stewox | or hot potato or what |
| 23:41.55 | Stewox | or whaaat |
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| 23:43.02 | Mephs | the fuck is this magecraft shit |
| 23:43.15 | Mephs | its a rip off of starlocks |
| 23:43.20 | Mephs | but like 10x worse |
| 23:44.09 | Motive | Yay. Figured out how to cast SC2 on LiveStream. :) |
| 23:44.21 | Mephs | you figured out how to use a microphone? |
| 23:44.36 | Motive | No, the DX overlay and stuff was acting up |
| 23:44.51 | Bounty | Is there anyway to return a unit as an integer |
| 23:44.57 | Motive | Nope |
| 23:45.10 | Bounty | well that is lame |
| 23:45.11 | Mephs | what? |
| 23:45.16 | Mephs | what do you want to get an integer for |
| 23:45.24 | Bounty | to set a boolean |
| 23:45.28 | Bounty | array |
| 23:45.31 | Mephs | ???? |
| 23:45.33 | Mephs | oh |
| 23:45.40 | Mephs | like set units[X] = true/false? |
| 23:45.44 | Bounty | yeah |
| 23:45.51 | Mephs | create a pseudo database |
| 23:46.01 | Bounty | custom value doesnt work even if u convert it to integer |
| 23:46.02 | Mephs | and what you do is assign each unit an integer |
| 23:46.22 | Mephs | ok how to explain this |
| 23:46.31 | Mephs | 1 function will do this: search the array for an entry that's empty |
| 23:46.45 | Mephs | add unit(_Unit_) will take the passed unit and put it into the next empty spot in the array |
| 23:46.46 | Motive | or just use unit custom value? o_O |
| 23:46.49 | Motive | I don't see why that wouldn't work |
| 23:46.53 | Bounty | bc its a Real |
| 23:46.57 | Bounty | and when i convert it to itneger |
| 23:47.01 | Bounty | it returns as a 0 |
| 23:47.07 | Mephs | bounty likes convoluted things so i'm putting it in terms he could understand |
| 23:47.08 | Motive | Thankfully Unit Custom Value takes a fixed |
| 23:47.15 | Motive | there's no such thing as reals |
| 23:47.35 | Mephs | yea you could just assign an attribute to the unit though |
| 23:47.38 | Motive | native void UnitSetCustomValue (unit inUnit, int inIndex, fixed inVal); |
| 23:47.41 | Mephs | and then pull that value off of it |
| 23:47.43 | Motive | "inVal" |
| 23:47.45 | Motive | fixed |
| 23:47.46 | Mephs | or what motive said. |
| 23:48.01 | JademusSreg | Jman. |
| 23:48.12 | Mephs | but to make it more consistent with your code, bounty |
| 23:48.17 | Mephs | you should aim for the highest # of memory leaks possible |
| 23:48.30 | Mephs | and make sure your functions are bloated, take 10x more execution time than needed |
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| 23:49.48 | JademusSreg | Jman, query me when you get back. |
| 23:51.56 | tordy | what's with the artosis and tasteless bots |
| 23:51.58 | tordy | i didnt notice em |
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| 23:59.15 | AlphA_VsT | should i set my missions to update the current amount needed (say they need to kill 100 units) so it would say kill like 50 zombies? Or should I add a seperate thing to track it? |
