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| 00:18.00 | ProzaicMuze | yay |
| 00:18.14 | ProzaicMuze | http://www.youtube.com/user/ProzaicMuze |
| 00:18.18 | ProzaicMuze | http://prozaicmuze.blogspot.com/ |
| 00:18.20 | ProzaicMuze | more progress |
| 00:18.28 | ProzaicMuze | they are live, but under construction |
| 00:18.30 | ProzaicMuze | win |
| 00:19.33 | ProzaicMuze | lol, apparently all the spam from before has ended |
| 00:19.34 | ProzaicMuze | ghey |
| 00:19.49 | Motive | I need to gtfo Gold |
| 00:19.56 | Motive | >< |
| 00:19.56 | ProzaicMuze | then gtfo? |
| 00:19.59 | Motive | well |
| 00:20.02 | Motive | i'd like to go up |
| 00:20.04 | Motive | not down to silver |
| 00:20.04 | Motive | xD |
| 00:20.16 | Motive | I switched races to toss |
| 00:20.45 | Motive | I can already tear zerg apart easily |
| 00:20.51 | Motive | but toss/terran I have a lot to learn :( |
| 00:21.09 | Motive | I think I have 100% wins against zerg though xD |
| 00:21.45 | Vexal | ? |
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| 00:29.05 | nevjmac | i've just uploaded kuekens Hero Line Wars map to the NA, anyone want to come give it, its first test run? |
| 00:30.36 | nevjmac | anyone? :) |
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| 00:33.51 | nevjmac | last call for a game of Kuekens Hero Line Wars, just released to NA servers |
| 00:39.50 | Ekals | is it any good, nevjmac? |
| 00:43.59 | Mexa | Does it exist on EU as well? |
| 00:46.41 | bone123 | his name is küken, this is a german name^^ |
| 00:48.00 | bone123 | why is owner of killing unit sometimes 16? 15 is the hostile and last player O.o |
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| 00:51.53 | nevjmac | I know what his name is... I don't have the effort to look up the alt code for the funny u... also on the forums his name is kueken, and thus what I have been calling him for over a year |
| 00:52.50 | nevjmac | @mexa yes its on EU, 3rd page popularity list apparently |
| 00:53.00 | bone123 | our ü is not funny ;) and it has been directed to mexa |
| 00:53.22 | nevjmac | @Ekals, yea its definetly doing very well for a beta release :D |
| 00:53.42 | Mexa | HLW was a fun game on wc3 |
| 00:53.49 | Mexa | Especially the HLW RoC version |
| 00:54.03 | Mexa | Which is what I believe Kueken is the creator of. |
| 00:54.07 | nevjmac | yes |
| 00:54.19 | nevjmac | he has been working overly hard to get this one up and running |
| 00:54.51 | Mexa | yup |
| 00:55.05 | nevjmac | @bone, how is learning banks going :P |
| 00:55.12 | bone123 | working fine^^ |
| 00:55.25 | bone123 | added starcode encryption already |
| 00:55.48 | bone123 | and the private beta test has been successful |
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| 00:57.44 | bone123 | when did the beta start? is it already one year of stracraft? |
| 00:58.16 | nolliepoper | Anyone familar with Helral's UI Panel Tutorial? |
| 00:58.35 | nolliepoper | I know how to move panels but don't know how to find the correct syntax on the names of the panels I need to move. |
| 00:59.06 | nolliepoper | <Frame name="..." type="..."> <Visible val='False'/> </Frame> |
| 00:59.15 | nolliepoper | how do I solve for the "..." |
| 00:59.27 | bone123 | 159 more comments since you started viewing. lol |
| 00:59.31 | Bounty | i love how my new video card i ordered from newegg has been sitting in a UPS warehouse for 24 hours lol |
| 00:59.39 | Bounty | and its in my state |
| 00:59.46 | Bounty | rAGE |
| 00:59.51 | Bounty | RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAGE* |
| 01:00.04 | bone123 | what is it? is it worth the rage?^^ |
| 01:00.14 | Bounty | video card |
| 01:00.25 | nolliepoper | Bounty is it posible to move the location where players chat? |
| 01:00.40 | Bounty | i think u can move the default chat box |
| 01:00.44 | Bounty | ive seen someone do it |
| 01:00.49 | Bounty | not sure how but i know its posisble |
| 01:00.51 | nolliepoper | Very cool |
| 01:01.01 | nolliepoper | I need to figure it out soon |
| 01:01.09 | nolliepoper | I'm making a new map. |
| 01:01.24 | Mexa | It might have been a custom chat |
| 01:01.26 | nolliepoper | Going to wait until it is near complete before sharing |
| 01:01.42 | Mexa | dialogs support textfield boxes so |
| 01:02.10 | nolliepoper | That would be an ugly fix. |
| 01:02.21 | nolliepoper | Because you can see what they type instantly and then it is removed? |
| 01:02.29 | nolliepoper | and relocated in another position? |
| 01:02.40 | Mexa | They wouldn't see it |
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| 01:02.49 | Mexa | Dialogs aren't necessarily visible for all players |
| 01:02.56 | Mexa | and neither is their content |
| 01:03.16 | nolliepoper | Guys, I had to take a calc 2 test today and I finnished 1 hour before the class ended is that good or bad. |
| 01:03.25 | nolliepoper | I guess it could go either way lol |
| 01:03.32 | Mexa | But whether that is an "ugly" fix or the only way, I don't know |
| 01:04.07 | Mexa | Well, did you feel it was going well? |
| 01:04.27 | Mexa | The feeling is most of the times right |
| 01:04.32 | nolliepoper | Yeah, I over studied for it. |
| 01:04.47 | nolliepoper | But some of my buds in that class who ace everytest were still working hard haha |
| 01:05.16 | nolliepoper | idk I need a good grade on that test because my last 2 were not so hot. |
| 01:05.50 | nolliepoper | Nonetheless, I can only spend so much time going over all my work for each question. |
| 01:05.50 | Mexa | However, you might have lost points due to negligence or minor errors |
| 01:06.00 | bone123 | where are you from? whats your best/worse grade |
| 01:06.17 | nolliepoper | No I finnished early and spend a lot of extra time going over my work. |
| 01:06.24 | Mexa | So, the last hour could have been well spent browsing through what you already wrote and check that you didn't do somethign wrong |
| 01:06.26 | nolliepoper | but still was an hour ahead |
| 01:06.28 | Mexa | Alright, never mind then |
| 01:06.34 | nolliepoper | on the last two I spend every minute of the class |
| 01:06.49 | nolliepoper | lol bone123 ask too many quesiton |
| 01:06.54 | nolliepoper | stalker? |
| 01:07.02 | Mexa | lol |
| 01:07.05 | bone123 | did you miss a page?^^ happend me once back in school |
| 01:07.20 | nolliepoper | Hell no there is only 4 pages and around 12 problems |
| 01:07.27 | nolliepoper | like 2 pages front and back |
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| 01:08.01 | Mexa | who am I, what am I, where am I |
| 01:08.14 | nolliepoper | inside the matrix |
| 01:08.17 | Mexa | Answer those questions 3... |
| 01:08.32 | nolliepoper | using a multidimensional array to calibrate the algorithm matrix |
| 01:08.56 | Mexa | .-. |
| 01:09.48 | nolliepoper | Every equations has a natural quadrature inside it. |
| 01:10.40 | nolliepoper | You would think the term quadrature would pertain to quadratic? |
| 01:10.59 | nolliepoper | Wrong, it means an integral is inside it you will have to solve for. |
| 01:11.06 | nolliepoper | somwhere along the line. |
| 01:13.07 | nolliepoper | The familar reference you use to solve distant around a circle, 2pi*r, is derived from arc length equations |
| 01:13.24 | nolliepoper | distance* herp |
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| 01:20.36 | Mexa | I don't get the relevance of any of that |
| 01:20.46 | Mexa | or something something |
| 01:22.17 | Vexal | i wonder if it's possible to make a real-life tetris machine |
| 01:23.11 | Mexa|afk | http://uk.kotaku.com/5789085/aperture-science-introduces-the-portal-2-turret-consumer-edition |
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| 01:55.36 | Bounty | So who wants to be in the video for my new map? :) |
| 01:55.57 | JademusSreg | Sounds intriguing. |
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| 01:58.38 | Bounty | u want in JAdemussreg? |
| 01:58.39 | Bounty | got ppl |
| 01:58.54 | JademusSreg | Sure. Give me a moment. |
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| 02:05.47 | grim001 | .. |
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| 02:10.22 | Mexa|afk | grim001, sup? |
| 02:12.35 | grim001 | hi |
| 02:12.44 | grim001 | I just spent about 2 hours configuring netbeans |
| 02:12.55 | grim001 | i hate IDEs |
| 02:13.00 | Mexa|afk | really? |
| 02:13.08 | Mexa|afk | For java? |
| 02:13.13 | grim001 | yes |
| 02:13.35 | Mexa|afk | Never had the need to configure netbeans for java development |
| 02:14.04 | grim001 | I wanted it to not burn out my retinas with a blinding white background |
| 02:14.05 | Mexa|afk | But yeah |
| 02:14.19 | grim001 | now I've got it looking just like my Notepad++ theme, but slightly better |
| 02:14.20 | Mexa|afk | Yeah I was about to say so:P |
| 02:14.32 | Mexa|afk | Too bad the freenode chat is plain white |
| 02:15.43 | grim001 | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22137420/theme.png |
| 02:16.19 | Sixen | lol |
| 02:16.24 | Sixen | looks pretty sweet |
| 02:17.04 | grim001 | hate how netbeans and eclipse both fail to support simple code folding for all brackets |
| 02:18.35 | grim001 | and netbeans plugin database is dead, along with the forums, so I can't even check if someone added it.. |
| 02:18.50 | PsypherLocke | hmm... never noticed that as a problem in eclipse |
| 02:19.02 | PsypherLocke | but then again i do C development in emacs 90% of the time |
| 02:19.36 | grim001 | current version of eclipse will not fold much more than classes/methods/comments for java |
| 02:19.40 | grim001 | same with netbeans |
| 02:19.54 | grim001 | I don't know what is so hard about finding opening brackets and making it a fold point |
| 02:24.52 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 02:26.06 | JademusSreg | grim, I noticed today the galaxy highlight doesn't cover the constants declared in Game.galaxy. |
| 02:26.44 | JademusSreg | Or was it yesterday. I forget. |
| 02:26.54 | grim001 | the highlighter has a number of flaws |
| 02:27.25 | grim001 | I've been working on a fix... SBiers sent me a flawless list of all of the natives and constants from each file, which will help a lot. |
| 02:27.38 | grim001 | You need a parser to extract them properly |
| 02:29.43 | grim001 | I figured I would put it off until someone actually used it enough to notice a problem |
| 02:30.08 | JademusSreg | Meh. No big deal. |
| 02:30.41 | Mexa|afk | hmm, the pest control will be arriving in about 3-5 hours |
| 02:30.49 | JademusSreg | I can be patient until your project reaches a state where it can be used. |
| 02:30.58 | Mexa|afk | Better get some sleep, Gnight all. |
| 02:31.36 | grim001 | Once my parser is a bit more developed I will be able to create an automated process to convert all current script files into an autocomplete XML |
| 02:32.27 | Mexa|afk | clever, never thought of that |
| 02:33.34 | Bounty | Is that map even worth finishing JademusSreg? |
| 02:33.37 | Bounty | lol |
| 02:33.52 | JademusSreg | Bounty, it would be a nice minigame. |
| 02:33.58 | JademusSreg | In a map full of minigames. |
| 02:34.03 | JademusSreg | After it's completed. |
| 02:34.30 | Bounty | I was thinking about making an entire map of minigames for the gravity gun |
| 02:34.49 | JademusSreg | Mehbeh. |
| 02:35.03 | JademusSreg | Or take all of your other small maps and put them into one minigame map. |
| 02:35.12 | Bounty | lol |
| 02:35.20 | Bounty | Bounty's Least Popular Hits? |
| 02:35.27 | JademusSreg | PERFECT |
| 02:36.48 | Bounty | thats a whole lotta maps |
| 02:36.50 | Bounty | =P |
| 02:38.24 | Bounty | really pisses me off Identifictionary isnt up on the pop list |
| 02:38.28 | Bounty | i like that game alot lol |
| 02:38.33 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 02:38.35 | Bounty | for obvious reasons |
| 02:39.46 | JademusSreg | It's fun in small doses. =) |
| 02:43.24 | Bounty | this is some serious bullshit |
| 02:43.44 | Bounty | 04/05/2011 19:42:00 LOCATION SCAN[I] SECAUCUS, NJ, US |
| 02:43.55 | Bounty | 9 hours earlier |
| 02:43.56 | Bounty | 04/05/2011 10:41:00 ORIGIN SCAN[I] SECAUCUS, NJ, US |
| 02:43.58 | Bounty | like wtf? |
| 02:44.05 | Bounty | my shit better get here 2morrow |
| 02:44.11 | Bounty | bc i live like 4 hours from that place |
| 02:44.14 | Bounty | not even that |
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| 02:47.14 | Vexal | onetwo how do i change the tips for loading screen |
| 02:47.26 | onetwo | i havent been able to do it |
| 02:47.29 | onetwo | i jsut put my email in it |
| 02:47.34 | onetwo | through map->Loading screen |
| 02:47.35 | Vexal | bounty how do i change tips for loadings creen |
| 02:47.39 | onetwo | cant change it in game ui data or w/e |
| 02:47.45 | Vexal | i've seen people do it |
| 02:47.53 | onetwo | fax me when they tell you |
| 02:47.55 | onetwo | i need to know |
| 02:48.46 | Mexa|afk | As a last resort you could always save the loading screen image with text, Vexal |
| 02:48.52 | Mexa|afk | But yeah, last resort. |
| 02:48.58 | Vexal | no i want to use a melee loading screen |
| 02:49.00 | onetwo | so is there really a 2 min limit on uploading? |
| 02:49.11 | onetwo | my 6.7 MB mod uploaded fine |
| 02:49.13 | Mexa|afk | .. last resort. |
| 02:49.18 | Vexal | i thought that using a custom loading screen caused disconnects unless you wait for keys |
| 02:49.22 | onetwo | i added some more models to it to make it 7.55 MB and it failed to upload |
| 02:49.22 | Vexal | wasn't that the conclusion in the beta? |
| 02:49.28 | onetwo | negative |
| 02:49.30 | onetwo | i use it in death haven |
| 02:49.33 | onetwo | with no wait for key |
| 02:49.40 | onetwo | i use a custom loading screen i mean |
| 02:49.46 | Vexal | and no one ever drops at load? |
| 02:49.50 | onetwo | nope |
| 02:49.56 | Vexal | i thought the conclusion was that it's only for old maps |
| 02:49.59 | Vexal | that were made before a certain patch |
| 02:50.02 | onetwo | oh no idea |
| 02:50.03 | Vexal | if you remake the map from scratch it doesn't do it |
| 02:50.10 | Vexal | i fucking hate this stupid shit |
| 02:50.22 | Vexal | it's a waste of my fucking time fucking this stupid cunt editor |
| 02:50.38 | Mexa|afk | Tsktsk. |
| 02:53.05 | Mexa|afk | I think I enjoy working on indie games more than making my planned map in sc2. |
| 02:54.30 | onetwo | the thing about indie games is that, yes while you get the engine the way you want it, you have to do all the stupid things |
| 02:54.34 | onetwo | like things we take for granted |
| 02:54.37 | onetwo | ie unit pathing |
| 02:54.50 | onetwo | $50 mill worth of art assets |
| 02:55.39 | Motive | arrrrr |
| 02:55.49 | Motive | yeah art assets |
| 02:55.54 | Motive | WHO'S WITH ME? |
| 02:56.36 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 02:56.54 | Motive | Exactly. |
| 02:58.57 | onetwo | ugh so i guess you cant upload a map for longer than 2 minutes? |
| 02:59.03 | onetwo | that kind of fucks me over |
| 02:59.06 | Motive | Nope |
| 02:59.17 | Motive | thank god for fast internet |
| 03:00.12 | onetwo | my DL is fast |
| 03:00.13 | onetwo | my upload is capped like anyone's |
| 03:00.15 | onetwo | lol |
| 03:00.33 | Motive | my upload is capped but at a rate that is pretty ridiculously fast for caps |
| 03:00.34 | Motive | Lol |
| 03:04.55 | Mexa|afk | onetwo, that might be so, but there are shortcuts for that |
| 03:05.14 | Mexa|afk | Like, for instance, using an already functional engine. |
| 03:05.21 | onetwo | yeah |
| 03:05.27 | Mexa|afk | I know about the assets, and that that is a botch |
| 03:05.30 | Mexa|afk | *bitch |
| 03:05.33 | onetwo | the editor is pretty well designed though |
| 03:05.38 | onetwo | most engines are so poorly made from a user perspective |
| 03:05.41 | onetwo | you have to 'know it' |
| 03:05.51 | Mexa|afk | Which is why you get yourself a team when working on indie, if you want assets from all directions |
| 03:05.54 | onetwo | yeah |
| 03:06.05 | onetwo | thats when you break the 'im making a small map' barrier |
| 03:06.06 | onetwo | lol |
| 03:06.06 | Mexa|afk | Also, indie can give this little extra small profit ;) |
| 03:06.40 | Mexa|afk | But I agree, the editor is damn powerful already |
| 03:07.40 | onetwo | yah |
| 03:08.01 | onetwo | ive done a bit on trying a source mod myself |
| 03:08.08 | Mexa|afk | But if I would choose, I'd have more freedom to develop something elsewhere. |
| 03:08.10 | onetwo | i was able to figure out a bit but yeah |
| 03:08.14 | onetwo | its insane |
| 03:08.19 | onetwo | youre staring at like 5000000 files of code |
| 03:08.20 | Mexa|afk | *I mean it would give me more freedom |
| 03:08.28 | onetwo | with scarce documentation |
| 03:08.32 | onetwo | although this editor has that problem too |
| 03:08.49 | Mexa|afk | hah, the source engine aren't the best to start with |
| 03:08.50 | onetwo | blizz also has great communities |
| 03:08.58 | Mexa|afk | You think? |
| 03:08.59 | onetwo | if you look at the amount of things you can find out from sc2mapster |
| 03:09.08 | onetwo | on an editor thats been out for 1 year |
| 03:09.09 | onetwo | its amazing |
| 03:09.13 | Mexa|afk | <.< Their official sc2 community is shit |
| 03:09.16 | onetwo | oh yeah |
| 03:09.18 | onetwo | thats what i meant |
| 03:09.19 | onetwo | sc2mapster |
| 03:09.46 | Mexa|afk | teamliquid is also nice. |
| 03:10.12 | Mexa|afk | Not as many mappers, but they have a strict policy involving a mannered behaviour |
| 03:10.30 | onetwo | yeah |
| 03:11.26 | Mexa|afk | hey onetwo, did you get that bank issue solved on death haven` |
| 03:11.45 | Mexa|afk | That it erases your bank if something goes wrong locally? |
| 03:11.51 | Mexa|afk | Eg powercut |
| 03:12.10 | Mexa|afk | or whatever it was. |
| 03:12.24 | onetwo | negative |
| 03:12.32 | onetwo | my backup plan was to save to a 2nd bank only if you win |
| 03:12.47 | onetwo | and if your main bank is empty but your backup bank has stuff in it, itll load from that bank |
| 03:13.03 | onetwo | the reason for this is that the backup bank will hopefully not be opened often |
| 03:13.08 | onetwo | so it wont get wiped as well |
| 03:13.13 | Mexa|afk | ah |
| 03:13.14 | onetwo | but it wont be as current either |
| 03:13.19 | onetwo | althuogh i still get multi emails a day |
| 03:13.21 | onetwo | about resets |
| 03:13.35 | Mexa|afk | I don't get why people complain. It sounds normal |
| 03:13.44 | Mexa|afk | If I start writing a word document |
| 03:13.57 | Mexa|afk | And get a power cut, ofcourse it will be corrupt |
| 03:14.00 | Mexa|afk | Or not saved |
| 03:14.15 | onetwo | 'or not saved' im fine with that |
| 03:14.20 | onetwo | unfortunately it gets corrupt every time |
| 03:14.31 | onetwo | any bank that is opened at any course in the map timeline |
| 03:14.37 | onetwo | could potentially be corrupted |
| 03:14.58 | Mexa|afk | hm |
| 03:15.06 | onetwo | by corrupt i mean emptied |
| 03:15.10 | onetwo | thats not good enough in 2011 |
| 03:15.10 | Mexa|afk | Yeah |
| 03:15.12 | onetwo | we can demand better |
| 03:15.13 | onetwo | imo |
| 03:15.31 | Mexa|afk | I don't remember, the thing happends when people get powercuts only= |
| 03:15.40 | Mexa|afk | eg I mean forcequit on the computer? |
| 03:15.49 | onetwo | ive personally tried force quitting |
| 03:15.52 | onetwo | it didnt break the bank file |
| 03:15.59 | onetwo | but i think either internet disconnect or power out will do it |
| 03:16.01 | onetwo | which is a shame |
| 03:16.03 | onetwo | it should just leave the file |
| 03:16.08 | Mexa|afk | on the computer or the game? |
| 03:16.19 | Mexa|afk | Say you terminate the sc2 process? |
| 03:16.20 | onetwo | force-quit game = fine, force-shutdown computer = bad |
| 03:16.28 | onetwo | force-shutdown internet = unknown personally but people have said so |
| 03:16.38 | onetwo | what i dont get is why it does it |
| 03:16.47 | onetwo | say i open a bank and then save to it |
| 03:16.50 | onetwo | and dont touch it |
| 03:16.54 | onetwo | itll still corrupt |
| 03:17.00 | onetwo | if someones computer shuts down later |
| 03:17.07 | onetwo | its like it's not closing it properly |
| 03:17.07 | onetwo | or something |
| 03:17.09 | Mexa|afk | Because it is opened by sc2 still, I guess |
| 03:17.21 | onetwo | solution? we need a close bank function |
| 03:17.24 | onetwo | thatll close the buffer or w/e |
| 03:17.31 | Mexa|afk | Truw |
| 03:17.33 | Mexa|afk | *e |
| 03:18.15 | Mexa|afk | Well, if the problem gets too frequent, maybe they will address it |
| 03:18.21 | Mexa|afk | Hopefully |
| 03:18.38 | Mexa|afk | ... now I should really go to bed. |
| 03:18.43 | RyanWin | Anyone want to help test DarkRev's new map? |
| 03:18.44 | Mexa|afk | Night poeple. |
| 03:18.47 | RyanWin | hes about to release |
| 03:18.51 | RyanWin | night |
| 03:18.57 | Mexa|afk | on EU? |
| 03:19.01 | RyanWin | US |
| 03:19.11 | onetwo | the thing is Mexa |
| 03:19.14 | Mexa|afk | Oh right, I would have drawn that conclusion |
| 03:19.15 | onetwo | im one of the few that has the issue |
| 03:19.20 | onetwo | most people arent using banks in the same way |
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| 03:19.25 | onetwo | theyre using it for one-time end of game stats |
| 03:19.30 | onetwo | so the bank isnt opened until later |
| 03:19.32 | onetwo | ie if someone crashes out |
| 03:19.34 | onetwo | it wont affect them |
| 03:19.42 | onetwo | and most people leave after the game is over anyway |
| 03:19.52 | onetwo | so the chance of them having a power outage after the bank is opened/saved is small |
| 03:19.53 | Jack[RCDF | Afternoon |
| 03:19.56 | onetwo | whereas my bank is opened right away |
| 03:20.00 | RyanWin | we're using it like crazy in SCU |
| 03:20.06 | Mexa|afk | what use does it make to only open a bank file at the end? |
| 03:20.16 | onetwo | well i guess they must open it at the start |
| 03:20.18 | onetwo | to load peoples scores |
| 03:20.21 | onetwo | but they only save at the end |
| 03:20.22 | Mexa|afk | yes |
| 03:20.23 | RyanWin | Mille got a movable user interface working that saves on a per character basis |
| 03:20.29 | Mexa|afk | Right |
| 03:20.34 | RyanWin | kid's genius |
| 03:20.37 | onetwo | well ryan ill be interested to see how it goes |
| 03:20.40 | onetwo | ocne its popular |
| 03:20.47 | onetwo | death haven had no problems until it got bigger |
| 03:20.53 | onetwo | then i started getting emails about broken banks |
| 03:20.54 | onetwo | lol |
| 03:20.57 | RyanWin | eww |
| 03:21.02 | RyanWin | yeah we're worried about that too |
| 03:21.09 | RyanWin | we've already had some issues |
| 03:21.10 | onetwo | try it out |
| 03:21.12 | onetwo | in the middle of a game |
| 03:21.13 | onetwo | shut down your comp |
| 03:21.15 | onetwo | see if bank resets |
| 03:21.29 | RyanWin | alright |
| 03:21.34 | RyanWin | we have it saving every 30 seconds |
| 03:21.34 | onetwo | not that itll prove much |
| 03:21.38 | onetwo | thats not bad |
| 03:21.41 | onetwo | im doing every 5s |
| 03:21.47 | RyanWin | thats |
| 03:21.49 | RyanWin | alot |
| 03:21.52 | onetwo | i tried saving on every kill, on every 5s |
| 03:21.54 | onetwo | same result |
| 03:22.14 | RyanWin | so whats happening banks are getting fried from power outages? |
| 03:22.22 | onetwo | most of my emails have been |
| 03:22.27 | onetwo | my computer died/powered out |
| 03:22.33 | onetwo | 0 kills saved all of a sudden |
| 03:22.35 | Mexa|afk | onetwo, you fon't think it's when the save and when people get the shutdown issue at the same time, that it gets corrupt? |
| 03:22.37 | Jack[RCDF | Is third person without wasd laggy on bmet? |
| 03:22.44 | RyanWin | have you tried to reproduce yourself? |
| 03:22.49 | onetwo | yes |
| 03:22.51 | RyanWin | and? |
| 03:22.54 | onetwo | it reset |
| 03:22.55 | RyanWin | same result? |
| 03:22.55 | Mexa|afk | Jack, it is not laggy, but it is delayed |
| 03:23.01 | RyanWin | shit |
| 03:23.05 | onetwo | give it a try |
| 03:23.09 | onetwo | so we can figure out what the problem is |
| 03:23.12 | onetwo | ie saving too much |
| 03:23.13 | Jack[RCDF | Ah. And single o |
| 03:23.17 | RyanWin | alright |
| 03:23.20 | Jack[RCDF | Player isfine? |
| 03:23.26 | onetwo | cause if not, then we have a problem |
| 03:23.27 | RyanWin | well saving too much reduces overall performance |
| 03:23.30 | RyanWin | i know that much |
| 03:23.36 | RyanWin | but it shouldnt corrupt bank |
| 03:23.39 | Mexa|afk | single player on battle.net will have about the same delay |
| 03:23.41 | onetwo | aye |
| 03:23.49 | Mexa|afk | But locally, no |
| 03:24.06 | Jack[RCDF | Ok. Is it a significant delay? |
| 03:24.07 | RyanWin | onetwo yo9u mind helping us run a quick test of mafia? |
| 03:24.13 | RyanWin | on US servers? |
| 03:24.53 | Mexa|afk | Jack, I recall the minimum delay is about 125ms, and then additional 125ms for input detecting |
| 03:25.08 | Mexa|afk | I could be wrong, but it matches with what it feels like. |
| 03:25.10 | onetwo | okay |
| 03:25.10 | onetwo | sec |
| 03:25.11 | RyanWin | .063 seconds is trigger delay |
| 03:25.29 | RyanWin | thats minimum |
| 03:25.33 | Mexa|afk | *0.0625 :> |
| 03:25.35 | RyanWin | not counting server lag |
| 03:25.50 | RyanWin | oh? my bad |
| 03:26.50 | Jack[RCDF | Wat. Input detection is 125ms? |
| 03:26.54 | Mexa|afk | well, 62.5 ms is something I can live with |
| 03:27.32 | RyanWin | even WoW has .0625 I think |
| 03:27.38 | Mexa|afk | Jack, well, I don't know, it could be this 62.5 ms instead, but the decription says that key detection will generate network traffic |
| 03:27.38 | RyanWin | from the local end |
| 03:28.10 | Jack[RCDF | Without wasd movement I said. Just mouse movement. |
| 03:28.15 | Mexa|afk | Better ask grim001 about it perhaps |
| 03:28.17 | Jack[RCDF | Or is that laggy too? |
| 03:28.33 | Mexa|afk | mouse movement is the same afaik. |
| 03:29.19 | Mexa|afk | Jack, there's an easy way to test. You could publish it privately and just try it out over battle.net |
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| 03:29.53 | Mexa|afk | Anyways, goodnight now <.< |
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| 03:30.34 | Jack[RCDF2 | Internet fail. |
| 03:30.52 | Jack[RCDF2 | Are hotkeys laggy like key detection? |
| 03:38.21 | nolliepoper | Anyone can help me move the chat box? |
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| 03:42.46 | Jack[RCDF2 | Which chat bix? The sc2 one? |
| 03:42.51 | Jack[RCDF2 | Box* |
| 03:45.42 | onetwo | damn RyanWin i was tricked |
| 03:45.57 | onetwo | i thought mafia was going to be like a city-game involving lots of cool black market stuff |
| 03:46.00 | onetwo | vs cops or something |
| 03:46.11 | nolliepoper | Yes the chat panel or frame in star2 |
| 03:46.16 | onetwo | not a debates |
| 03:46.24 | nolliepoper | It is sorta in the center of the screen. |
| 03:46.47 | nolliepoper | and after removing half of the dialog, I can now put it in the corner. |
| 03:47.03 | nolliepoper | onetwo I read all of Helrals tutorials and explainations |
| 03:47.10 | nolliepoper | but how to find the syntax of names? |
| 03:47.34 | onetwo | ? |
| 03:47.40 | onetwo | im not in the right mind frame atm |
| 03:47.44 | onetwo | to figure out what youre saying |
| 03:47.47 | onetwo | sorry |
| 03:47.48 | nolliepoper | <Frame type="MinimapPanel" name="MinimapPanelTemplate"> |
| 03:47.59 | nolliepoper | what if I want to move something other than the minimap |
| 03:48.11 | onetwo | iunno dont you DL all of them |
| 03:48.14 | onetwo | and browse through the files |
| 03:48.14 | nolliepoper | helral doesn't tell us how to find out what things are called |
| 03:48.16 | onetwo | to find the panels you want |
| 03:48.21 | onetwo | in his old tutorial |
| 03:48.44 | nolliepoper | Those became outdated in 1.3 and will crash the game. |
| 03:48.59 | onetwo | but the panel names are the same |
| 03:49.03 | onetwo | and you can browse through em |
| 03:49.06 | onetwo | in notepad |
| 03:53.26 | nolliepoper | How can I use those files I just dled when they will crash? |
| 03:53.37 | onetwo | dont, just look and copy from them for now i guess? |
| 03:53.43 | onetwo | tbh i havent looked at the new system yet so dont ask me |
| 03:53.48 | onetwo | im out of date |
| 03:53.49 | nolliepoper | Do you know how to export the new ones and then I can modify |
| 03:59.12 | RyanWin | onetwo i hate debates too but mafia is going to be cool as hell |
| 03:59.22 | RyanWin | especially when you can pick how you want to die |
| 03:59.25 | RyanWin | if you get killed |
| 03:59.40 | RyanWin | err lynched |
| 03:59.57 | onetwo | i just cant play those type of turn games |
| 04:00.00 | onetwo | too slow |
| 04:00.11 | onetwo | i want an avatar and to perform the actions myself |
| 04:00.15 | RyanWin | I dont usually like them either but i play that one for the comedic value |
| 04:00.32 | onetwo | well, i was expecting to play a map like yours |
| 04:00.36 | onetwo | so you can imagine |
| 04:00.39 | onetwo | how surprised i was |
| 04:00.40 | onetwo | lol |
| 04:00.45 | onetwo | your map = definition of action |
| 04:00.45 | RyanWin | lol srry man |
| 04:00.55 | onetwo | and mafia i thought wow cool itll be awesome |
| 04:00.58 | onetwo | not to say it wasnt bad |
| 04:01.00 | onetwo | for its genre |
| 04:01.05 | onetwo | and style |
| 04:01.30 | onetwo | nolliepoper i dont know, i cant say much really since i havent done it |
| 04:02.53 | RyanWin | oh btw, dont attach anything to an attachment point on a unit that doesnt exist through triggers. It used to fallback to origin but now it crashes SC2 |
| 04:03.20 | onetwo | damn |
| 04:03.31 | onetwo | that reminds me, i gotta figure out how to rotate and attach a sword to a WoW model |
| 04:03.32 | nolliepoper | Ryan you made a custom ui for starcraft universe? |
| 04:03.46 | RyanWin | I made the prototype, its all recoded now hough |
| 04:03.54 | RyanWin | though* |
| 04:04.40 | RyanWin | whats up? |
| 04:10.49 | onetwo | that convo ended fast |
| 04:14.51 | Sixen | lol |
| 04:15.30 | Sixen | nollie, Helral will know |
| 04:15.44 | JademusSreg | I've spent the day working on my own version of one of my favorite maps. |
| 04:16.08 | JademusSreg | One the doesn't require so much furious clicking. |
| 04:16.34 | Bounty | Sixen |
| 04:16.39 | Sixen | Bounty |
| 04:16.50 | Sixen | Jade, who is Aenigma? |
| 04:16.53 | Bounty | How many hours played must your map have before you map hits "Blizzard" popularity |
| 04:16.55 | Sixen | I thought it was you to begin with >.> |
| 04:17.02 | Bounty | Can you send that question over to Blizzard? |
| 04:17.04 | Bounty | =P |
| 04:17.08 | Sixen | lol |
| 04:17.31 | Bounty | I would love to know how to get my maps from the depths of hell to #1 |
| 04:17.40 | Bounty | in less then 5 seconds |
| 04:18.50 | JademusSreg | I would ask the dev team to include an IntToBool that preserves the data so we can pass int data to triggers via TriggerExecute, had I the opportunity. |
| 04:19.29 | JademusSreg | And it would also allow for more valuable returns via the existing BoolToInt. |
| 04:19.30 | Bounty | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZEdDMQZaCU |
| 04:19.53 | JademusSreg | But that assumes a 32-bit bool implementation. |
| 04:20.20 | JademusSreg | wc3 used a 32-bit bool, but I might be assuming too much here. |
| 04:20.34 | Sixen | wtb TextToString |
| 04:20.42 | JademusSreg | YES haha |
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| 04:26.38 | DarkRevenant | i'v finally released mafia to public |
| 04:26.40 | DarkRevenant | anyone wanna play? |
| 04:27.13 | JademusSreg | Sure, if you want feedback. |
| 04:27.14 | Sixen | get me a video, can news it :P |
| 04:27.22 | DarkRevenant | not getting it newsed |
| 04:27.24 | DarkRevenant | for a while |
| 04:27.27 | Sixen | O |
| 04:27.28 | Sixen | h |
| 04:27.33 | DarkRevenant | it's something of a beta release |
| 04:27.39 | Sixen | Ah, understandable. |
| 04:27.50 | DarkRevenant | it's fully playable has a lot of stuff but |
| 04:27.54 | DarkRevenant | it's not fully done |
| 04:28.00 | DarkRevenant | but it looks fully done |
| 04:28.05 | DarkRevenant | anyway |
| 04:28.12 | Bounty | if its a beta you should get it newsed |
| 04:28.18 | DarkRevenant | go to Channel Mafia |
| 04:28.20 | DarkRevenant | there's a feature im working on |
| 04:28.22 | Bounty | publicity = more players = more testers |
| 04:28.24 | DarkRevenant | that i want working before i news |
| 04:29.43 | JademusSreg | I'm interested, if you want feedback. How many people are in? |
| 04:29.51 | DarkRevenant | more the better |
| 04:29.53 | DarkRevenant | we have space |
| 04:30.13 | DarkRevenant | channel mafia |
| 04:30.15 | DarkRevenant | i add you from there |
| 04:30.21 | DarkRevenant | NA region |
| 04:31.54 | Bounty | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCIvmdABBnU&feature=related |
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| 05:04.57 | Vexal | how do i make a custom load screen? |
| 05:06.11 | Vexal | onetwo how do i make a custom loading screen |
| 05:07.27 | onetwo | photoshop, 1440x900 i beliefe |
| 05:07.30 | onetwo | believe |
| 05:07.32 | onetwo | make w/e you want on it |
| 05:07.39 | onetwo | save as DDS using the photoshop plugin |
| 05:07.41 | Vexal | i mean |
| 05:07.42 | onetwo | otherwise use TGA |
| 05:07.45 | Vexal | what? |
| 05:07.48 | Vexal | i took a print screen |
| 05:07.52 | Vexal | and it saved as tga i believe |
| 05:07.55 | onetwo | oh ok |
| 05:07.58 | Vexal | i just took a screenshot of the loading screen |
| 05:08.01 | Vexal | and i imported it |
| 05:08.04 | onetwo | okay |
| 05:08.07 | onetwo | as long as its tga or dds |
| 05:08.11 | onetwo | then go to map->Loading screen |
| 05:08.22 | onetwo | and youll see a browse button near the top of the popup window |
| 05:08.31 | onetwo | and you should be able to choose your imported file |
| 05:08.33 | Vexal | wait it's jpg |
| 05:08.33 | Vexal | wtf |
| 05:08.46 | Vexal | i swear blizzard used to save screenshots as tga |
| 05:08.49 | onetwo | they did |
| 05:08.54 | onetwo | in WoW my old screenies |
| 05:08.55 | onetwo | are all tga |
| 05:09.01 | Vexal | and wc3 |
| 05:09.04 | onetwo | yah |
| 05:09.11 | Vexal | i can't even save tga files on my computer |
| 05:09.18 | Vexal | this is fucking retarded |
| 05:10.11 | Vexal | can you do it |
| 05:10.17 | onetwo | well theres free programs out there isnt there |
| 05:10.23 | onetwo | gimp or w/e? |
| 05:10.24 | Vexal | i don't want to install more stuff |
| 05:10.32 | onetwo | probably even a web app out there |
| 05:10.33 | onetwo | that can do it |
| 05:10.37 | onetwo | maybe? |
| 05:11.17 | Vexal | would you be interested in doing it |
| 05:11.21 | onetwo | not really |
| 05:11.23 | onetwo | but if i have to |
| 05:11.26 | onetwo | fine |
| 05:11.31 | Vexal | you don't have to |
| 05:11.34 | Vexal | only if doing so pleases you |
| 05:11.41 | Vexal | else i'll make my dad do it |
| 05:11.42 | onetwo | well, link it and ill make a DDS |
| 05:12.52 | Vexal | http://static.sc2mapster.com/content/images/31/155/Screenshot2011-04-05_23_59_51.jpg |
| 05:12.54 | Vexal | thanks! |
| 05:14.11 | onetwo | np |
| 05:14.14 | onetwo | want the bottom bar edited out |
| 05:14.15 | onetwo | ? |
| 05:14.25 | onetwo | including the tip> |
| 05:14.41 | Vexal | no |
| 05:14.44 | Vexal | i think it's funnier that way |
| 05:14.57 | onetwo | lol |
| 05:15.00 | onetwo | k i hope 1900x1200 works |
| 05:15.04 | onetwo | i use 1440x900 |
| 05:15.06 | onetwo | but this should be fine |
| 05:16.23 | onetwo | note: file is 2.2 MB but somehow blizz's save system will compress that GREATLY |
| 05:16.55 | onetwo | http://www.mediafire.com/?7kzvi002l0pbc40 |
| 05:17.12 | onetwo | import, save, map->loading screen, set it then go test |
| 05:17.13 | onetwo | should work |
| 05:17.20 | Vexal | !! i clicked the add |
| 05:17.23 | Vexal | ad* |
| 05:17.37 | Vexal | thanks |
| 05:18.13 | onetwo | lol |
| 05:19.43 | Vexal | it's 198 kb compressed |
| 05:20.19 | onetwo | yeah |
| 05:20.28 | onetwo | sometimes you can see it though |
| 05:20.31 | onetwo | in gradients |
| 05:21.05 | Vexal | i don't get it |
| 05:21.07 | Vexal | it still doesn't see it |
| 05:22.07 | Vexal | nevermind it works. |
| 05:22.18 | Vexal | thanks.. |
| 05:22.19 | Vexal | i owe you. |
| 05:22.32 | onetwo | np |
| 05:22.41 | onetwo | well, you shared your mouse casting system |
| 05:22.43 | onetwo | so were even |
| 05:22.43 | onetwo | lol |
| 05:24.47 | Vexal | did you use it? |
| 05:24.55 | Vexal | i thought it wasn't custom enough for you |
| 05:26.30 | onetwo | na its probably close to what ill use |
| 05:26.33 | onetwo | but not through triggers |
| 05:26.37 | onetwo | will be data mover |
| 05:26.38 | onetwo | likel |
| 05:26.47 | onetwo | err not your mouse casting system |
| 05:26.49 | onetwo | your missile system |
| 05:26.51 | onetwo | for the sparks |
| 05:27.13 | Vexal | gah |
| 05:27.17 | Vexal | if i set it to melee, it occludes it |
| 05:27.46 | Vexal | it didn't fix it.. |
| 05:28.31 | grim001 | ... |
| 05:29.00 | Vexal | don't tell grim001 you're using custom values on the projectiles |
| 05:29.32 | onetwo | well i might not be going that route |
| 05:29.40 | onetwo | probably just all data |
| 05:29.45 | onetwo | with search effect periodics |
| 05:29.47 | onetwo | that suicide the missile |
| 05:29.49 | onetwo | and deal damage |
| 05:31.33 | Vexal | ah it doesn't fix the desync and it looks retarded |
| 05:31.38 | Vexal | the players cover up all the text |
| 05:32.08 | onetwo | shit thats annoying |
| 05:32.10 | onetwo | desync... |
| 05:32.57 | Vexal | i recall it only affecting maps started before a certain patch |
| 05:33.41 | Stimpy77_ | ? .. happens to me frequently, even happened a day or so ago for me |
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| 05:38.03 | onetwo | hmm time to figure night day system |
| 05:38.59 | JademusSreg | Yay. |
| 05:46.15 | Vexal | jademussreg i started building a physical tetris machine |
| 05:48.58 | JademusSreg | Sounds neat. Wood, metal, or plastic? |
| 05:50.36 | Vexal | well |
| 05:50.46 | Vexal | it uses electromagnet dipoles. |
| 05:51.09 | Vexal | i came up with a method to rotate the blocks by reversing the magnetic fields at a frequency of 60 hz |
| 05:51.23 | Vexal | and detecting if a row is filled is simple logic |
| 05:51.48 | Vexal | and i finally got my prototype system for lowering rows when you clear one |
| 05:52.00 | Vexal | the blocks are just pushed off the board by the electric field |
| 05:52.06 | Vexal | since each block has 4 poles |
| 05:53.22 | Vexal | isn't that cool |
| 05:53.27 | JademusSreg | Would it fit in a vintage arcade cabinet? Such things would appeal to retro gamers. |
| 05:53.43 | Vexal | well |
| 05:53.44 | JademusSreg | And yes, sounds cool. |
| 05:53.51 | Vexal | actually i made all that up |
| 05:53.55 | Vexal | i stuck as many buzzwords as i could |
| 05:53.57 | Vexal | like dipole |
| 05:54.00 | Vexal | and magnet |
| 05:54.09 | Vexal | didn't it sound like i knew what i'm talking about |
| 05:54.16 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 05:54.21 | JademusSreg | To someone such as I. |
| 05:55.04 | Vexal | to be honest |
| 05:55.08 | Vexal | i think this solution would actually work |
| 05:55.14 | Vexal | i just don't have the necessary funding |
| 05:55.25 | Vexal | since magnets of this precision are expensive |
| 05:55.27 | JademusSreg | I considered the possibility tyhat it was made up, but it seemed plausible, given your apparent intellect. |
| 05:55.33 | Vexal | see |
| 05:55.38 | Vexal | now you have to consider that my apparent intellect is made up |
| 05:55.47 | Vexal | i mean, possibly made up |
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| 06:19.16 | Vexal | i'm positive there's a problem with events not always running. |
| 06:19.39 | JademusSreg | Death events? |
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| 06:20.16 | DarkRevenant | mafia |
| 06:20.18 | JademusSreg | Hi Dark. Sorry about the connection fail. |
| 06:20.23 | grim001 | events always do what they do, however what they do sometimes makes no sense. |
| 06:20.25 | DarkRevenant | was sucessful |
| 06:20.28 | DarkRevenant | sort of |
| 06:20.31 | DarkRevenant | but i did get |
| 06:20.35 | DarkRevenant | valuable testing data |
| 06:20.45 | DarkRevenant | anyway the timing really won't change much |
| 06:20.52 | Vexal | jademussreg correct death events |
| 06:20.55 | DarkRevenant | most of your problems are issues solvable by changing the start settings |
| 06:21.04 | Vexal | grim001 i'm positive they're not running |
| 06:21.10 | grim001 | which events? |
| 06:21.13 | Vexal | death events |
| 06:21.19 | grim001 | under what circumstance? |
| 06:21.32 | Vexal | i print out a text tag at the location of a dying unit and it doesn't always display |
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| 06:21.36 | DarkRevenant | im not going to change the tutorial text to |
| 06:21.42 | DarkRevenant | a different color scheme |
| 06:21.44 | DarkRevenant | just yet |
| 06:21.46 | grim001 | how many text tags do you have up at the same time vexal? |
| 06:21.54 | Vexal | the text tag is a debug |
| 06:21.55 | DarkRevenant | but the dead chat is more readable now |
| 06:21.57 | Vexal | it's like 10 or 15 |
| 06:22.01 | DarkRevenant | and i fixed various other problems |
| 06:22.06 | Vexal | but i only did it to see why the other things weren't working |
| 06:22.17 | Vexal | the text tag is irrelevant |
| 06:22.35 | DarkRevenant | lol guys it's true that Rodrigo will complain about anything and everything |
| 06:22.39 | JademusSreg | Hm. Should be easy to test. |
| 06:22.47 | Vexal | are you talking to me? |
| 06:22.51 | grim001 | once you get over 100 text tags without destroying previous text tags |
| 06:22.54 | grim001 | there's a good chance they won't show up |
| 06:23.01 | JademusSreg | Kill X amount of units, confirm via counter. |
| 06:23.01 | Vexal | grim001 i already said the text tag is irrelevant |
| 06:23.05 | grim001 | that's how it worked in wc3... of course text tags had a timed life.. |
| 06:23.14 | Vexal | that's not the point |
| 06:23.17 | Vexal | what i do is |
| 06:23.26 | onetwo | does anyone understand Time Per Game Loop on lights |
| 06:23.28 | grim001 | vexal, I was stating why I asked about it |
| 06:23.28 | onetwo | for day/night |
| 06:23.28 | Vexal | upon dying, i add the unit to a unit group, and every 10 seconds, all units in that group are replaced. |
| 06:23.36 | JademusSreg | Unit data has a flag including No Death Event. |
| 06:23.47 | Vexal | jademussreg it's inconsistent |
| 06:24.23 | Vexal | grim001 jademussreg what i did was make a death event. upon dying, add the triggering unit to a unit group. every 10 seconds, revive all units in the group, then remove the unit from the group. |
| 06:24.35 | Vexal | it does not always revive every unit. it usually revives most. |
| 06:24.43 | Vexal | however, occasionally (often) a few are left out |
| 06:24.45 | JademusSreg | How long is the death time on the units? |
| 06:24.49 | Vexal | 1000 |
| 06:24.58 | grim001 | that sounds like it's far more likely there's a mistake somewhere else, rather than the event not firing |
| 06:24.58 | Vexal | but it doesn't revive them so it doesn't matter |
| 06:25.06 | Vexal | no, grim001 i'm 100% positive there's no mistake |
| 06:25.19 | grim001 | I don't really trust you being 100% positive, I would trust a bare-bones test |
| 06:25.19 | Vexal | if there were a mistake, then the text tag would not print out at all |
| 06:25.26 | Vexal | that's the point |
| 06:25.30 | Vexal | you can't reproduce it barebones |
| 06:25.39 | Vexal | it seems to be a problem with the engine if there is a lot going on |
| 06:25.40 | Vexal | it drops events |
| 06:25.42 | grim001 | then it's most likely not the event |
| 06:25.47 | Vexal | no it's most likely the event |
| 06:25.55 | grim001 | you're wrong and you've got a mistake somewhere |
| 06:25.58 | Vexal | no i'm not |
| 06:26.05 | Vexal | the fact that it works perfectly under no stress means i'm right |
| 06:26.35 | grim001 | saying it "drops events when too much is going on" is pretty much grasping at straws to try to explain some other error you can't find |
| 06:26.42 | Vexal | no |
| 06:26.44 | Vexal | i'm positive |
| 06:26.47 | grim001 | you have conflicting systems in your map fucking it up |
| 06:26.50 | Vexal | i've experienced it in other areas |
| 06:26.52 | Vexal | no i don't |
| 06:26.57 | grim001 | probably because your coding methods suck |
| 06:26.59 | Vexal | no |
| 06:27.03 | Vexal | fuck you |
| 06:27.04 | grim001 | which is exactly what I told you before |
| 06:27.06 | Vexal | fuck off |
| 06:27.09 | Vexal | end of discussion. |
| 06:27.11 | grim001 | once your map got beyond a certain level of complexity it died |
| 06:27.15 | grim001 | and it's your shitty coding methods at fault. |
| 06:27.22 | Vexal | like i said before, fuck off. |
| 06:27.44 | Vexal | this happens with any type of event |
| 06:27.52 | Vexal | it happens with "unit enters region" "issue order" event |
| 06:27.59 | Vexal | it happens with "unit is attacked" |
| 06:27.59 | grim001 | then create a test proving it conclusively |
| 06:28.04 | Vexal | how? |
| 06:28.23 | grim001 | good question, if you cant devise a test then you aren't qualified to make a blanket statement that the event system is fundamentally broken. |
| 06:28.28 | Vexal | that's not true |
| 06:28.33 | Vexal | you're the one who wants the test |
| 06:28.36 | Vexal | so you're the one who should devise it |
| 06:28.44 | grim001 | I don't think you understand how "burden of proof" works |
| 06:29.01 | Vexal | okay, well. |
| 06:29.13 | Vexal | the way you say it is stupid |
| 06:29.17 | DarkRevenant | grim why do you even bother with this? |
| 06:29.24 | onetwo | man i just saw an ad for Rio |
| 06:29.31 | Vexal | here is my trigger |
| 06:29.31 | onetwo | it looks riotarded |
| 06:29.36 | onetwo | thanks guys |
| 06:29.55 | Vexal | "event unit dies" "add triggering unit to unit group" |
| 06:29.59 | Vexal | how can that be fucked up? |
| 06:30.01 | DarkRevenant | i really hope you aren't forced to work with vexal against your will |
| 06:30.04 | Vexal | there's absolutely nothing simpler |
| 06:30.07 | Dekar | geez |
| 06:30.09 | Vexal | darkrevenant go fuck yourself |
| 06:30.16 | onetwo | more against his will than that libyan woman? |
| 06:30.24 | DarkRevenant | you've been asking for it, vexal |
| 06:30.26 | onetwo | when will my one liners end!?!? |
| 06:30.26 | Vexal | anyway someone explain to me how this can fuck up, please |
| 06:30.36 | DarkRevenant | it can fuck up in all sorts of ways |
| 06:30.36 | Vexal | i'm serious, if you're just going to insult me, leave me alone |
| 06:30.40 | Vexal | how? |
| 06:31.01 | DarkRevenant | first of all, make a test with a debug message with the event as the only other component |
| 06:31.14 | JademusSreg | is watching Boogie Nights while working on a map. |
| 06:31.31 | Vexal | why? |
| 06:31.38 | Vexal | it only appears under conditions of stress |
| 06:31.43 | DarkRevenant | the h |
| 06:31.51 | DarkRevenant | if the whole map is under stress |
| 06:32.00 | Sixen | afk, going to fuck myself. |
| 06:32.12 | DarkRevenant | then the symptoms you say allegedly say happen should occur |
| 06:32.17 | onetwo | lol |
| 06:32.21 | DarkRevenant | make sure the trigger is otherwise blank |
| 06:32.30 | Vexal | why? the point is it can occur AT ALL |
| 06:32.34 | onetwo | Sixen, just like you morally fucked up this channel? |
| 06:32.36 | DarkRevenant | prove it then |
| 06:32.37 | onetwo | thanks America |
| 06:32.40 | Sixen | :( |
| 06:32.40 | Vexal | how? |
| 06:32.41 | DarkRevenant | give us empirical PROOF |
| 06:32.43 | DarkRevenant | not a hunch |
| 06:32.45 | Vexal | what do you consider proof |
| 06:32.55 | Vexal | the fact that it wasn't printing out the text tag |
| 06:33.00 | Vexal | apparently isn't proof enough for you |
| 06:33.01 | Vexal | so what do you want? |
| 06:33.04 | DarkRevenant | well |
| 06:33.07 | DarkRevenant | text tag is |
| 06:33.09 | DarkRevenant | prone to failure |
| 06:33.13 | DarkRevenant | use a debug message |
| 06:33.20 | Vexal | but, how do i keep track of them? |
| 06:33.25 | Vexal | units are dying all the time |
| 06:33.30 | DarkRevenant | it's a debug message |
| 06:33.33 | DarkRevenant | format it |
| 06:33.36 | Vexal | to what? |
| 06:33.36 | DarkRevenant | and read them manually |
| 06:34.05 | DarkRevenant | figure that part out yourself |
| 06:34.11 | DarkRevenant | you make the claim; you should support it |
| 06:34.19 | Vexal | i don't think a text message is valid |
| 06:34.23 | Vexal | because it doesn't show in replays |
| 06:34.34 | DarkRevenant | ahahahaha |
| 06:34.45 | Vexal | what if i just replace the triggering unit |
| 06:34.47 | Vexal | is that enough? |
| 06:34.50 | DarkRevenant | you think replays are an accurate show of a map? |
| 06:34.53 | DarkRevenant | you debug in real time |
| 06:34.59 | Vexal | the replay is to show you |
| 06:35.08 | Vexal | after i find a problem in real time |
| 06:35.16 | Vexal | i would encode a video |
| 06:35.17 | Vexal | and upload it |
| 06:35.20 | Vexal | then link it to prove to you |
| 06:35.32 | DarkRevenant | a video |
| 06:35.37 | DarkRevenant | is foolish proof |
| 06:35.40 | Vexal | well |
| 06:35.42 | DarkRevenant | we can take your word for something like |
| 06:35.44 | DarkRevenant | "it didnt show" |
| 06:35.52 | DarkRevenant | but proof for WHY it didnt show is what we want |
| 06:36.14 | Vexal | hold on |
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| 06:36.53 | Vexal | can i include variables in the text message |
| 06:37.19 | DarkRevenant | of course |
| 06:37.40 | Vexal | this is much more helpful than grim insulting me. |
| 06:38.07 | DarkRevenant | you weren't exactly helping the situation either |
| 06:38.22 | DarkRevenant | i can understand his frustration but he could have chilled a bit |
| 06:38.25 | Vexal | he always insults me because i use custom values on projectiles in physics systems |
| 06:38.36 | DarkRevenant | i don't think that's why he insults you, vexal |
| 06:38.57 | onetwo | lets form a gang |
| 06:39.00 | onetwo | the CV gang |
| 06:39.01 | Vexal | he insults me because i say it's a waste of time and bad project management to apply strict coding practices to a sc2 map |
| 06:39.03 | onetwo | infamous for use of custom vals |
| 06:39.13 | onetwo | go contest the crips |
| 06:39.16 | onetwo | in LA |
| 06:39.24 | DarkRevenant | but to be honest, custom values are fairly pointless if you have a physics system; it's still valid though |
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| 06:39.42 | Vexal | i use them to store the projectile velocity / acceleration / etc |
| 06:39.47 | Vexal | i can't imagine an easier method |
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| 06:39.55 | DarkRevenant | vexal |
| 06:39.57 | Vexal | yes |
| 06:39.58 | DarkRevenant | grim has a point |
| 06:40.04 | DarkRevenant | but you do too |
| 06:40.11 | DarkRevenant | for smaller projects |
| 06:40.16 | DarkRevenant | organization doesnt matter too much |
| 06:40.24 | Vexal | my point is that it's a huge amount of work to do it his way. his way is "better". but i don't think his way is worth the work for a project the scale of a sc2 map. |
| 06:40.30 | DarkRevenant | but larger ones like SCU will absolutely fail without strict code |
| 06:40.31 | Mexa | Is this a dejá vu? |
| 06:40.52 | Vexal | i have my own reasons for thinking a project like SCU will fail. |
| 06:40.52 | DarkRevenant | even Mafia needed some pretty airtight code |
| 06:40.55 | Mexa | Also, hi.. |
| 06:41.30 | Vexal | i am just frustrated. i change a few things in my map and i've been getting hate mail all weekend. |
| 06:41.35 | Vexal | i can't take it anymore. |
| 06:41.50 | DarkRevenant | you're fueling the fire too |
| 06:42.07 | Vexal | i never said i'm adept at responding |
| 06:42.11 | Dekar- | i would like to see your td but im on eu :( |
| 06:42.14 | Vexal | i have poor social skills |
| 06:42.16 | DarkRevenant | i won't say any one person is at fault |
| 06:42.24 | Vexal | and handling social situations is not easy for me. |
| 06:42.31 | DarkRevenant | but there will come a time that you have to learn |
| 06:42.37 | Vexal | it's not a matter of learning |
| 06:42.38 | Vexal | it's a lack of hardware |
| 06:42.43 | Vexal | they scanned my brain and part is missing |
| 06:42.52 | DarkRevenant | brain's adaptable |
| 06:43.03 | Vexal | it is. that is why i can speak at all. |
| 06:43.13 | Vexal | but it's still nowhere near the sophistication as a normal brain. |
| 06:43.29 | DarkRevenant | you seem to be able to speak just fine |
| 06:43.37 | DarkRevenant | it's the social interaction that eludes you |
| 06:43.48 | Vexal | this is typing. |
| 06:43.57 | DarkRevenant | TTS |
| 06:44.12 | DarkRevenant | hell, if hawking can do it and be famous, so can you lol |
| 06:44.15 | Stimpy77_ | is this bs? |
| 06:44.20 | Vexal | interaction and speaking both cause problems. |
| 06:44.30 | JademusSreg | Stimpy, yesish. What's up? |
| 06:44.37 | Vexal | but for the first 15 years i couldn't speak. |
| 06:44.54 | Vexal | anyway |
| 06:44.56 | onetwo | lol vexal the hawking of the sc2 mapping world? |
| 06:45.01 | Vexal | no. |
| 06:45.08 | Vexal | i'm building a robot arm |
| 06:45.14 | onetwo | close enough |
| 06:45.15 | Vexal | and i'm going to make it controllable over the internet |
| 06:45.17 | Stimpy77_ | just wondered if I needed to shed a tear for vexal |
| 06:45.23 | Vexal | and i'm going to put it next to a toaster |
| 06:45.26 | Mexa | SCU = Starcraft Universe? |
| 06:45.27 | DarkRevenant | a robot arm to replace your wait a minute how does this help you |
| 06:45.27 | Vexal | and i'm going to set up a webcam |
| 06:45.30 | DarkRevenant | yes, mexa |
| 06:45.35 | onetwo | LOL dark |
| 06:45.47 | onetwo | robot arm |
| 06:45.51 | onetwo | youll have a line of horny creepy guys |
| 06:45.52 | grim001 | is this a test to see if people will control the arm to choke you and watch via webcam? |
| 06:45.54 | onetwo | outside your house |
| 06:46.00 | Stimpy77_ | what came of sc universe? I read the articles on that a month or so ago, never saw it on bnet |
| 06:46.10 | DarkRevenant | it's |
| 06:46.11 | DarkRevenant | in production |
| 06:46.13 | Vexal | no, grim001 i'm going to make sure to stay out of range of it. i'm just going to put bread and the toaster so people can log onto my website and make toast with it |
| 06:46.17 | DarkRevenant | we're pretty serious about it |
| 06:46.24 | DarkRevenant | starcraftuniverse.org if you want more info |
| 06:46.29 | Stimpy77_ | kk |
| 06:46.39 | DarkRevenant | just wait until somone |
| 06:46.43 | DarkRevenant | starts to destroy the power socket |
| 06:46.48 | DarkRevenant | and tries to reach for the wiring |
| 06:46.50 | DarkRevenant | to start a fire |
| 06:46.50 | Vexal | why would they want to do that |
| 06:46.53 | Vexal | that's just mean |
| 06:47.02 | DarkRevenant | all it takes is one person |
| 06:47.07 | Dekar- | its more fun to look at than toast |
| 06:47.09 | DarkRevenant | there might be a hundred thousand nice guys but |
| 06:47.24 | DarkRevenant | one asshole can make it FUBAR |
| 06:47.40 | Vexal | i did the same thing with a light switch and the worst that happened was randomly in the middle of the night people would flash the light 100 times |
| 06:47.45 | Vexal | but they never managed to short anything. |
| 06:49.06 | onetwo | LOL |
| 06:49.15 | DarkRevenant | so |
| 06:49.23 | DarkRevenant | why do you think SCU is doomed? |
| 06:49.30 | DarkRevenant | (serious question) |
| 06:49.57 | Vexal | i don't necessarily think it is doomed. i just have fears of worst-case scenarios that with hard work could possibly be overcome. |
| 06:50.35 | Vexal | the most obvious being the lack of bank protection. i'm sure you'll encrypt it but that doesn't change the fact that you can just get the map itself nullifying the encryption |
| 06:51.00 | DarkRevenant | well |
| 06:51.02 | Vexal | second, the sc2 engine might be too "flimsy" to support something like this. especially over battle.net |
| 06:51.13 | Mexa | Vexal, there might be something into what you said about custom loading screens being asyncronous |
| 06:51.21 | DarkRevenant | signatures are apparently |
| 06:51.28 | Mexa | Either that, or people really hate the ones they play with |
| 06:51.39 | DarkRevenant | dependent on |
| 06:51.44 | DarkRevenant | actual published status |
| 06:51.46 | DarkRevenant | afaik |
| 06:52.04 | Mexa | I played MineralZ yesterday, and there were leaving players everytime. |
| 06:52.20 | DarkRevenant | in any case we've got some ability to talk to blizzard if something needs doing badly enough |
| 06:52.28 | Vexal | even if you make something that looks great, i worry that it won't "feel" right. |
| 06:52.38 | Vexal | especially due to input lag |
| 06:52.48 | Vexal | although WoW was laggy too |
| 06:53.03 | Mexa | *delay* |
| 06:53.04 | DarkRevenant | trust me; the feel won't be off |
| 06:53.15 | DarkRevenant | at least not after im through with it, if our near-final product is awkward |
| 06:53.16 | Vexal | well, i'm just saying. these are worst-case scenarios. |
| 06:53.45 | Vexal | it's also a huge amount of work. you might have trouble making content faster than players go through content |
| 06:54.36 | DarkRevenant | well |
| 06:54.42 | Mexa | DarkRevenant, the site is down. |
| 06:54.44 | Vexal | then. it's also just a relatively difficult game to design. |
| 06:54.46 | DarkRevenant | ryan's basically a powerhouse when it comes to just making a whole lot of stuff |
| 06:55.00 | DarkRevenant | http://www.starcraftuniverse.org/ |
| 06:55.03 | Vexal | there are so many decisions that you have to make. if you make bad ones, the game will fail no matter how amazing it is. |
| 06:55.04 | DarkRevenant | it works for me |
| 06:55.18 | Mexa | Down for me. Hrm. |
| 06:55.38 | DarkRevenant | well, game design philosophy is definitely the crux of the matter |
| 06:55.41 | DarkRevenant | trust me, we're focusing on it |
| 06:55.45 | Mexa | Error 105 (net::ERR_NAME_NOT_RESOLVED) |
| 06:56.55 | Mexa | Is it at http://scuniverse.lordaeron.org/ ? Google suggests it. |
| 06:57.22 | Vexal | the biggest thing, though.... the map editor feels like it's placing script and modification on top of something. it just feels flimsy. like java runs in a VM. it feels like that but to a much higher degree. when I see custom UI's in almost any map (probably every map released so far), it feels like someone just taped gum wrappers on your monitor and wrote words and drew pictures on them |
| 07:01.05 | Vexal | onetwo i over-laid the image you gave to me on top of the original text version of the loading screen |
| 07:01.13 | Vexal | so now it's blurry. |
| 07:01.42 | onetwo | lol |
| 07:01.56 | onetwo | yeah Vexal i agree |
| 07:02.27 | Vexal | about what, the blurry? |
| 07:02.43 | Vexal | or what i said about custom ui |
| 07:04.37 | JademusSreg | I'm too sleepy to continue working on my map. |
| 07:07.22 | onetwo | custom ui |
| 07:07.24 | Stimpy77_ | so ehm .. Friday was my first day of foraying into SC2 Editor .. |
| 07:07.43 | onetwo | you son of a bitch |
| 07:07.52 | onetwo | im just re-enacting how the editor treats you when youre starting out |
| 07:07.56 | Stimpy77_ | .. I vlogged about it . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBrOpQT_0fc .. me and my ugly face blabbering on about sleep being upside down, eating pizza, comparing the looks of pizza to my face .. |
| 07:08.03 | Stimpy77_ | .. and celebrating the release of my first map :P |
| 07:08.28 | JademusSreg | Goodness gracious. |
| 07:08.48 | JademusSreg | I'd need an eightball of something to get a working prototype done in a day. |
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| 07:11.15 | Dekar- | hello kitty |
| 07:14.43 | Helral|afk | ~8ball will JademusSreg get a working prototype done in a day? |
| 07:14.44 | purl | No. |
| 07:15.20 | Mexa | ~8ball can I? |
| 07:15.20 | purl | I'm sure of it. |
| 07:15.26 | Helral|afk | lol |
| 07:15.34 | Stimpy77_ | ~8ball can I access purl? |
| 07:15.34 | purl | I'm sure of it. |
| 07:15.35 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 07:15.55 | Dekar- | ~8ball does purl love me? |
| 07:15.55 | purl | Negative. |
| 07:15.59 | Dekar- | :[ |
| 07:16.00 | Helral|afk | ~8ball does purl love Stimpy77_? |
| 07:16.00 | purl | I'm not sure. |
| 07:16.16 | Mexa | ~8ball what about me? |
| 07:16.16 | purl | I'm sure of it. |
| 07:16.20 | Helral|afk | lol |
| 07:16.22 | Dekar- | aww man |
| 07:16.33 | Dekar- | ~8ball do you lie to mexa? |
| 07:16.33 | purl | I'm sure of it. |
| 07:16.33 | Mexa | good odds indeed. |
| 07:16.33 | Deaod | ~8ball is purl a bot? |
| 07:16.33 | purl | Please ask again. |
| 07:16.47 | Helral|afk | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:16.51 | Helral|afk | ~8all are you always responding to Mexa with "I'm sure of it"? |
| 07:16.52 | purl | okay, Helral|afk |
| 07:16.55 | Helral|afk | roflol |
| 07:16.58 | Dekar- | lol |
| 07:17.01 | Helral|afk | ~8bll are you always responding to Mexa with "I'm sure of it"? |
| 07:17.02 | purl | okay, Helral|afk |
| 07:17.05 | Helral|afk | omg |
| 07:17.07 | Helral|afk | damned insert |
| 07:17.14 | Helral|afk | ~8ball are you always responding to Mexa with "I'm sure of it"? |
| 07:17.14 | purl | Yes. |
| 07:17.15 | Dekar- | xD |
| 07:17.15 | Mexa | ~8ball are you lying to me :(? |
| 07:17.15 | purl | Unsure. |
| 07:17.16 | Stimpy77_ | purl |
| 07:17.23 | Helral|afk | finally ;p |
| 07:17.31 | Mexa | ._ |
| 07:17.39 | Helral|afk | ~8all |
| 07:17.39 | purl | 8all are you always responding to Mexa with "I'm sure of it"? |
| 07:17.41 | JademusSreg | I think I'll go to sleep. Hopefully this little map will be playable tomorrow and I can test it over bnet. |
| 07:17.51 | Helral|afk | purl forget 8all |
| 07:17.52 | purl | Helral|afk: i forgot 8all |
| 07:17.57 | Helral|afk | purl forget 8bll |
| 07:17.57 | purl | Helral|afk: i forgot 8bll |
| 07:18.06 | Mexa | Seeya Jademus |
| 07:18.09 | JademusSreg | Later. |
| 07:18.12 | Helral|afk | cya |
| 07:18.13 | Dekar- | a certain person with a vlog likes irc |
| 07:18.17 | Dekar- | D: |
| 07:18.31 | Stimpy77_ | :D |
| 07:18.38 | Helral|Work | meow? |
| 07:18.58 | Stimpy77_ | that was my way of thanking you wonderful people |
| 07:19.04 | Stimpy77_ | esp jademussreg |
| 07:19.26 | Helral|Work | btw someone was talking about a custom UI before I logged in or was that just a short mention? |
| 07:19.37 | Mexa | *Inputs cereals* Afk breakfast |
| 07:20.00 | Dekar- | vexal said most custpm ui look crap |
| 07:20.28 | Helral|Work | true ;p |
| 07:20.37 | Vexal | i never said crap. |
| 07:20.41 | Vexal | i implied it though. |
| 07:20.46 | Dekar- | ok :p |
| 07:21.01 | Helral|Work | so Vexal indirectly said that most custom ui look crap. |
| 07:21.48 | Vexal | ^ |
| 07:21.56 | Dekar- | ~8ball did vexal indirectly call most custom ui crap? |
| 07:21.57 | purl | Are you smoking crack? |
| 07:22.09 | Dekar- | yes, but how is it that related to my question?! |
| 07:22.29 | Helral|Work | because people normally don't ask that ;p |
| 07:22.49 | Helral|Work | ~8ball is someone who works on SC2maps normal? |
| 07:22.49 | purl | I'm not sure. |
| 07:23.04 | Helral|Work | ~8ball is someone who works on Custom UI's for SC2maps normal? |
| 07:23.04 | purl | Yes. |
| 07:23.09 | Helral|Work | O.o |
| 07:23.29 | Helral|Work | ~8ball is someone who creates a tutorial for Custom UI's for SC2 maps normal? |
| 07:23.29 | purl | Are you smoking crack? |
| 07:23.36 | Helral|Work | ~8ball no. |
| 07:23.36 | purl | Are you smoking crack? |
| 07:23.41 | Helral|Work | ~8ball I said no. |
| 07:23.42 | purl | Negative. |
| 07:23.52 | Helral|Work | that's what I said.... |
| 07:23.56 | Helral|Work | so 8ball |
| 07:23.59 | Helral|Work | ~8ball is someone who creates a tutorial for Custom UI's for SC2 maps normal? |
| 07:23.59 | purl | Sure. Yeah, exactly. |
| 07:24.06 | Helral|Work | :( |
| 07:24.15 | Helral|Work | Dekar-: the 8ball is teasing me :( |
| 07:24.25 | Dekar- | aww :( |
| 07:24.31 | Dekar- | bad purl! |
| 07:24.35 | Dekar- | dont tease helral |
| 07:24.46 | DarkRevenant | ~8ball Will SCU cause ragnarok? |
| 07:24.46 | purl | Are you smoking crack? |
| 07:24.51 | DarkRevenant | yeah |
| 07:24.51 | Dekar- | xD |
| 07:24.58 | Helral|Work | yeah or I'll toy with you like I'd toy with a mouse. |
| 07:25.02 | Mexa | ~8ball, are /you/ smoking crack? |
| 07:25.03 | purl | okay, Mexa |
| 07:25.08 | Helral|Work | lol |
| 07:25.28 | DarkRevenant | ~8ball Is the answer to this query false? |
| 07:25.28 | purl | I'm sure of it. |
| 07:25.32 | Dekar- | ~8ball do you dislike 8ball spam by chance? |
| 07:25.32 | purl | Yes. |
| 07:25.39 | Helral|Work | lol |
| 07:25.49 | Deaod | ~8ball is purl smoking crack? |
| 07:25.49 | purl | Please ask again. |
| 07:25.53 | Mexa | ~8ball, SELECT * FROM TABLE |
| 07:25.53 | Helral|Work | purl who is Dekar- |
| 07:25.53 | purl | Helral|Work: what are you talking about? |
| 07:25.57 | Helral|Work | purl who is Dekar |
| 07:25.57 | purl | I think you lost me on that one, Helral|Work |
| 07:26.14 | DarkRevenant | ~8ball 2+2 == 5 |
| 07:26.14 | purl | Please ask again. |
| 07:26.16 | Dekar- | its meeeeee |
| 07:26.18 | Helral|Work | guess purl doesn't know Dekar-. ;p |
| 07:26.24 | DarkRevenant | ~ball 2+2 == 5 |
| 07:26.24 | Dekar- | i guess :( |
| 07:26.29 | DarkRevenant | ~8ball 2+2 == 5 |
| 07:26.29 | purl | Absolutely. |
| 07:26.34 | Mexa | ~8ball, shall I crown you in cereals? |
| 07:26.35 | DarkRevenant | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:26.48 | Mexa | aw |
| 07:26.50 | DarkRevenant | ~purl I'll kill you |
| 07:26.54 | Dekar- | ~8ball would you die for our sins? |
| 07:26.54 | purl | I'm not sure. |
| 07:27.00 | Helral|Work | purl kill DarkRevenant |
| 07:27.00 | purl | ACTION shoots a excited pseudotachyon gun at DarkRevenant |
| 07:27.11 | Dekar- | purl please leave this channel |
| 07:27.15 | DarkRevenant | purl I dodge that |
| 07:27.15 | purl | You dodge that? |
| 07:27.15 | Helral|Work | ohhh purl beat you to it DarkRevenant ;p |
| 07:27.21 | Helral|Work | hahaha |
| 07:27.44 | DarkRevenant | purl give me a blow job |
| 07:27.44 | purl | ACTION gives a blow job to darkrevenant |
| 07:27.46 | Dekar- | purl kill purl |
| 07:27.46 | purl | ACTION shoots a hyper-charged pseudomeson gun at purl |
| 07:28.08 | Dekar- | purl kill purl kill purl |
| 07:28.08 | purl | ACTION shoots a magneto-ionized electron gun at purl kill purl |
| 07:28.11 | Mexa | *Inputs coffee* Afk |
| 07:28.15 | Dekar- | aww, no loop |
| 07:28.20 | DarkRevenant | purl divide by zero |
| 07:28.20 | purl | i heard divide by zero is undefined |
| 07:28.31 | Helral|Work | purl give DarkRevenant a hyper-charged bomb which goes off in 1 second. |
| 07:28.31 | purl | ACTION gives a hyper-charged bomb which goes off in 1 second. to DarkRevenant |
| 07:28.32 | Vexal | ~8ball |
| 07:28.32 | purl | ACTION rolls the eight ball and gets: Concentrate and ask again |
| 07:28.32 | Dekar- | purl create a black hole |
| 07:28.36 | Vexal | ~8ball hello |
| 07:28.36 | purl | I'm sure of it. |
| 07:28.42 | Vexal | ~8ball answer me |
| 07:28.42 | purl | I'm not sure. |
| 07:28.44 | Vexal | i don't get it |
| 07:28.57 | DarkRevenant | purl f123423g |
| 07:29.02 | Mexa | purl divide by infinity |
| 07:29.19 | Mexa | Damn, I am rejected forever now. |
| 07:29.28 | Helral|Work | which X/X!=1 ;p |
| 07:29.38 | DarkRevenant | ~8ball ziggy |
| 07:29.38 | purl | I'm not sure. |
| 07:29.55 | Stimpy77_ | wtf purl |
| 07:29.59 | DarkRevenant | ~8ball Will you see me coming when I stab you in the back? |
| 07:30.00 | purl | Absolutely. |
| 07:30.10 | Stimpy77_ | ~help |
| 07:30.12 | DarkRevenant | so she'll LET me do it |
| 07:30.14 | DarkRevenant | lolol |
| 07:30.29 | Deaod | ~8ball do you have eyes in the back of your head? |
| 07:30.29 | purl | Are you smoking crack? |
| 07:30.34 | Vexal | ~8ball talk to me |
| 07:30.34 | purl | No. |
| 07:30.36 | Vexal | it doesn't do anything |
| 07:30.45 | Helral|Work | think the 8ball took his revenge on DarkRevenant. |
| 07:30.51 | Dekar- | purl are you smoking crack? |
| 07:31.05 | Dekar- | ~8ball do you smoke crack? |
| 07:31.05 | purl | Are you smoking crack? |
| 07:31.08 | Helral|Work | vexal: unmute perl ;p |
| 07:31.10 | Dekar- | lol |
| 07:31.13 | Helral|Work | purl* |
| 07:31.30 | Dekar- | purl mute vexal |
| 07:31.31 | purl | ACTION surgically removes vexal vocal chords and feeds them to the local pygmies |
| 07:31.32 | Stimpy77_ | ~wtf |
| 07:32.06 | Helral|Work | purl unmute Vexal |
| 07:32.11 | Helral|Work | damn :( |
| 07:32.53 | Vexal | helral how do you mute |
| 07:33.22 | Stimpy77_ | purl wtf unmute |
| 07:33.23 | Dekar- | purl give vexal voice |
| 07:33.23 | purl | ACTION gives voice to vexal |
| 07:33.49 | Helral|Work | Vexal: dunno I never used it ;p |
| 07:34.00 | Stimpy77_ | ~news |
| 07:34.10 | Stimpy77_ | purl news |
| 07:34.14 | Stimpy77_ | mm |
| 07:34.21 | Dekar- | [09:33:55] <purl> Someone already said that 9 seconds ago |
| 07:34.25 | Hati | ~purl |
| 07:34.25 | purl | hmm... purl is a far prettier chatbot than you. |
| 07:34.25 | Vexal | is the 8ball a bot? |
| 07:34.26 | Helral|Work | http://www.sc2mapster.com/announcements/card-shuffle-and-sc2layout-tutorial/ |
| 07:34.34 | Helral|Work | news :P |
| 07:34.38 | Stimpy77_ | purl do me |
| 07:34.38 | purl | ACTION does stimpy77_. |
| 07:34.40 | Hati | ~8ball is the 8ball a bot? |
| 07:34.40 | purl | I'm sure of it. |
| 07:34.46 | Stimpy77_ | w00t |
| 07:35.55 | Vexal | you're just a phony |
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| 07:48.33 | Mexa | Did lefix just join 3 times without eve leaving? |
| 07:48.57 | Mexa | 'even |
| 07:49.18 | Helral|Work | no 37-join, 39-leave, 45-join |
| 07:49.35 | Mexa | oh, lol, I misread |
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| 07:55.56 | Stimpy77_ | purl do me again |
| 07:55.56 | purl | ACTION does me again. |
| 07:56.29 | Mexa | Who's the owner of purl by the way? |
| 07:56.46 | Stimpy77_ | slavery is evil *sob* |
| 07:56.52 | Helral|Work | curse I think ;p |
| 07:56.59 | Mexa | You know what I mean .__ |
| 07:57.04 | Helral|Work | õwner |
| 07:57.07 | Helral|Work | roflol |
| 07:57.09 | Helral|Work | ~owner |
| 07:57.09 | purl | TimRiker is my owner |
| 07:57.13 | Stimpy77_ | purl who owns you |
| 07:57.13 | purl | TimRiker does |
| 07:57.14 | Helral|Work | lol |
| 07:57.28 | Mexa | ~seen TimRiker |
| 07:57.30 | purl | timriker <~TimRiker@bzflag/projectlead/TimRiker> was last seen on IRC in channel #ldstech, 13h 10m 26s ago, saying: ':)'. |
| 07:57.30 | Helral|Work | ;p |
| 07:57.31 | Stimpy77_ | purl you rock |
| 07:57.31 | purl | Stimpy77_: aw, gee |
| 07:57.50 | Stimpy77_ | purl have you met Eliza? |
| 07:57.55 | Mexa | I don't think purl responds to me anymore |
| 07:57.58 | Mexa | :( |
| 07:58.15 | Helral|Work | Mexa: purl responded to your ~seen Timriker. |
| 07:58.23 | Mexa | it did? |
| 07:58.33 | Helral|Work | yeah I got the message tht someone beat me to it ;p |
| 07:58.39 | Mexa | oh |
| 07:58.42 | Mexa | alright |
| 07:59.41 | Mexa | Ugh... I am going to class |
| 07:59.48 | Mexa | Have a nice day people |
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| 08:09.59 | Stimpy77_ | I just pooped a baseball bat. Thought about pulling it out and playing baseball with it. |
| 08:11.35 | Deaod | thats ... a bit random. |
| 08:12.08 | Stimpy77_ | wanna play catch with me? |
| 08:12.16 | Deaod | nope |
| 08:12.46 | Stimpy77_ | "random" you're so nice |
| 08:13.03 | Helral|Work | meow? |
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| 08:15.20 | Stimpy77_ | did I do that? :( |
| 08:17.50 | Stimpy77_ | so I was thinkin about getting together a "camp" of sorts. here in phoenix area we have a "code camp" twice a year for software professionals to get together and teach each other different topics as peers. But it's all serious topics, like ASP.NET. |
| 08:18.13 | Stimpy77_ | I was thinkin how cool it would be to have a camp for people to come and learn how to produce music, create game mods, etc .. |
| 08:18.44 | Stimpy77_ | just a creative-dev for-fun flavor of those code camps |
| 08:18.54 | Stimpy77_ | electronics hacking .. |
| 08:18.55 | Stimpy77_ | etc. |
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| 08:19.14 | Stimpy77_ | dumb idea? |
| 08:20.07 | grim001 | ... |
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| 08:24.09 | Stimpy77_ | "..." .. really? |
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| 08:56.38 | abstruse | mooooooooooooooo |
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| 09:01.09 | Helral|afk | meow |
| 09:01.35 | Helral|afk | anyone here having trouble with determining the correct frame name for use with the SC2Layout override files? |
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| 09:31.08 | Obatztrara | aaaannd 1 hour total silence :] |
| 09:31.13 | Obatztrara | broken. |
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| 09:45.49 | Dekar- | how dare you breaking the sacred silence?! |
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| 09:46.04 | Dekar- | it wasnt even 1 hour |
| 09:46.06 | Dekar- | only 30 mins |
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| 09:50.06 | Obatztrara | I know..I later realized that helral had sneaked in :( |
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| 09:57.21 | Helral|Work | meow |
| 09:57.35 | Helral|Work | abstruse broke it before me ;p |
| 10:19.14 | Obatztrara | anyone in the mood for some online testing? (EU) |
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| 10:36.59 | XenoX101 | man the map marine arena just goes to show how fucked ffa is |
| 10:38.13 | XenoX101 | you attack someone they counter attack you |
| 10:38.24 | XenoX101 | then someone counter attacks them |
| 10:38.31 | XenoX101 | while they're counter attacking you as well |
| 10:38.33 | XenoX101 | its bullshit |
| 10:44.58 | Helral|afk | I had a nice ffa match once (1v1v1v1) ;p |
| 10:45.47 | Helral|afk | the guy next to me did a reaper rush on the enemies. they got annihilated, and afterwards he tried to take me out with them as well, but I had more reapers at that time so I countered it with my reaper rush on his base :P |
| 10:46.16 | XenoX101 | lol |
| 10:46.29 | Helral|afk | was funny to see in the replay. |
| 10:46.48 | Helral|afk | his reapers going around the map killing 2 players at cost of 2/3rd of the army. |
| 10:47.00 | Helral|afk | then getting annihalited by my base defense and reaper offensive. |
| 10:47.13 | Helral|afk | annihilated* |
| 10:47.18 | Helral|afk | or however it s spelled ;p |
| 10:47.35 | Helral|afk | think it was TvZvPvT. |
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| 11:08.27 | Helral|afk | so anyone know where onetwo is hiding? ;p |
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| 11:09.53 | Agouti | he is in my basement |
| 11:09.56 | Agouti | coding for me |
| 11:10.15 | Agouti | He gets a slice of bread for every completed unit |
| 11:10.33 | Helral|afk | lol |
| 11:10.52 | Helral|afk | so he should have 2 full breads now ;p |
| 11:11.22 | Agouti | they are complicated units |
| 11:11.31 | Agouti | and he has required some... persuasion |
| 11:16.25 | Helral|Work | :P |
| 11:17.30 | Helral|Work | Agouti: you do know that he's making units which will get corrupted at the next patch ;p |
| 11:17.58 | Agouti | :o the devil he is |
| 11:18.10 | Agouti | by joves this can't continue |
| 11:20.18 | Agouti | Ahhh, I hate essays |
| 11:20.28 | Agouti | specifically, I hate this course for making me write one |
| 11:20.38 | Agouti | especially when it's a joke course to begin with |
| 11:21.01 | Agouti | wonders what would happen if he submitted a 10-page essay written in cat |
| 11:21.59 | ProzaicMuze | OneTwo is hiding from me |
| 11:22.05 | ProzaicMuze | because he knows when he gets online, I have work for him. . . |
| 11:22.06 | ProzaicMuze | lots of work. . . |
| 11:22.09 | ProzaicMuze | work he can't escape |
| 11:22.11 | ProzaicMuze | and might kill him |
| 11:22.14 | ProzaicMuze | but it must be done |
| 11:22.47 | Agouti | pffft what map do you need work for |
| 11:23.04 | Agouti | and what's your excuse for not doing it yourself |
| 11:24.20 | ProzaicMuze | It's not work |
| 11:24.30 | ProzaicMuze | and I am the only one who works on my maps |
| 11:24.35 | ProzaicMuze | It's videos |
| 11:24.40 | ProzaicMuze | and collaborative efforts |
| 11:24.46 | ProzaicMuze | Things that will make you go ZOMG SO COOL |
| 11:25.02 | ProzaicMuze | map work* |
| 11:25.11 | Agouti | EU? NA? |
| 11:25.42 | ProzaicMuze | we're NA |
| 11:25.49 | ProzaicMuze | Could branch over to EU though |
| 11:25.58 | ProzaicMuze | since all my stuff is open to public |
| 11:26.19 | ProzaicMuze | I figure people are going to try to crack my stuff if I lock it anyways, so I might as well not waste my time |
| 11:26.26 | Agouti | I might be able to give you some time |
| 11:26.32 | ProzaicMuze | Since the real "lock" is the fact that they can't make it themselves anyways, so I'm not worried about ideas being stolen. |
| 11:26.45 | Agouti | well.. you can obfuscate galaxy code |
| 11:26.48 | ProzaicMuze | Eh, it's something only OneTwo can do |
| 11:26.54 | ProzaicMuze | Since it's a joint venture we spoke about in the past |
| 11:27.03 | Agouti | oke doke |
| 11:27.03 | ProzaicMuze | thus it's not like I'm simply lookin' for help or anything lol |
| 11:27.07 | ProzaicMuze | and meh |
| 11:27.11 | ProzaicMuze | obfuscation is a waste of time |
| 11:27.12 | Agouti | no problemo |
| 11:27.16 | Agouti | well |
| 11:27.20 | Agouti | it's not that much time |
| 11:27.22 | ProzaicMuze | Personally, I think people who try to lock their crap are silly |
| 11:27.29 | ProzaicMuze | Mainly because it WILL get cracked eventually |
| 11:27.43 | Agouti | the only reason I would obfuscate is to protect bank code |
| 11:27.54 | ProzaicMuze | It's much easier to just make something enjoyable and allow people to run free with it because that mentally fosters a less hostile environment |
| 11:28.04 | ProzaicMuze | People are less likely to attack your map if it's free in the first place ;P |
| 11:28.12 | Agouti | and if it's sufficiently obfuscated, with white space remove, variable renaming, and dead-end functions |
| 11:28.26 | Agouti | you can make it more effort than most people are prepared to spend on it |
| 11:28.30 | Agouti | cost vs gain |
| 11:28.43 | Agouti | if the time investment is small, people are far more likely to attempt it |
| 11:28.50 | A1win | but someone will do it just because it *is* difficult :P |
| 11:28.50 | ProzaicMuze | Yes, but that requires effort on your part to begin with |
| 11:29.09 | Agouti | running an obfuscation script across the .galaxy is minimal effort wise |
| 11:29.10 | ProzaicMuze | I'd rather not waste time trying to protect my stuff when I honestly don't care what people do with it |
| 11:29.16 | Agouti | it's a 5min job at most |
| 11:29.19 | Agouti | I'm not worried about people stealing the map |
| 11:29.24 | ProzaicMuze | mainly because it can't be stolen given I'm being very public about it |
| 11:29.29 | ProzaicMuze | and if they want to hack banks, good for them |
| 11:29.44 | Agouti | in all honesty, if someone else stole my map and could edit it an turn out a better and more popular version, then they are welcome to it |
| 11:29.53 | Agouti | but I do want the banks secure |
| 11:29.59 | ProzaicMuze | Why? |
| 11:30.06 | ProzaicMuze | what do secure banks land you that insecure banks don't? |
| 11:30.17 | Agouti | more reliable information |
| 11:30.28 | Agouti | or more consistently reliable at any rate |
| 11:30.39 | Agouti | an easily or widely hacked bank is pointless |
| 11:30.54 | ProzaicMuze | Not entirely |
| 11:31.11 | ProzaicMuze | If you plan on playing with strangers every time, sure |
| 11:31.19 | Agouti | Well, that is a point |
| 11:31.30 | ProzaicMuze | but if I'm going to be playing with friends who I don't expect to hack my banks, then I don't really need to worry about it |
| 11:31.49 | Agouti | it depends on how popular the map is, of course |
| 11:31.59 | A1win | if you make the map only for people who play it with their friends, it's not a problem ;p |
| 11:32.17 | ProzaicMuze | How popular the map is won't affect my ability to play it lol |
| 11:32.25 | Agouti | but a pass with a good obfuscation script takes minutes to do and makes the time needed to hack the bank an order of magnitude larger |
| 11:32.26 | ProzaicMuze | People will come up with their own methods for avoiding people who abuse banks |
| 11:32.28 | A1win | ...or only for yourself :P |
| 11:33.07 | A1win | but yeah I'm not going to do any bank securing either, especially not in co-op maps... and I doubt I'll do any pvp maps anyway |
| 11:33.15 | Agouti | to me it's a minimal time investment with clear rewards, so I see no real reason not to do it |
| 11:33.37 | ProzaicMuze | I figure it's easier to add a kick feature to a game so that people who hack the banks are simply kicked from the game by non-hacked players |
| 11:33.48 | ProzaicMuze | Thus that feature alone defeats the purpose of hacking the bank if people are going to kick you from the game. |
| 11:33.52 | Agouti | that assumes that hacked banks are easily spottable |
| 11:34.22 | ProzaicMuze | If it's not easily spottable, then it probably isn't a problem to begin with lol |
| 11:34.32 | ProzaicMuze | meaning the change was small and does little else than cut the time required to get to a certain point down |
| 11:34.39 | Agouti | an extra minute or 2 to obfuscate a map that has taken hundreds if not thousands of hours to make seems like a small investment to me |
| 11:34.40 | ProzaicMuze | I'm talkin' about where someone goes "Bam, max level I rape you all" |
| 11:35.17 | ProzaicMuze | lol |
| 11:35.19 | ProzaicMuze | you can do what you want |
| 11:35.24 | ProzaicMuze | I just think obfuscation is silly in general |
| 11:36.13 | A1win | why is the script even transmitted in the map file since it's only used by the server on bnet? |
| 11:36.33 | Agouti | ... |
| 11:36.38 | Agouti | hmm |
| 11:36.41 | Agouti | are you sure about that? |
| 11:36.54 | Agouti | I mean, that is what appears to be the case |
| 11:37.15 | Agouti | there must be a reason |
| 11:37.47 | A1win | well I hope there is or blizzard is just dumb :P |
| 11:37.59 | Agouti | I'm positive there was evidence that the script was compiled client side during loading |
| 11:38.07 | Agouti | so it must run client side as well |
| 11:38.43 | A1win | well hmm |
| 11:39.02 | A1win | it might help reducing network traffic even though everything goes over the net |
| 11:39.13 | A1win | since it doesn't need to send everything then, just references or something |
| 11:39.23 | grim001 | the map downloads to every individual player |
| 11:39.27 | grim001 | they all run it at the same time |
| 11:39.46 | A1win | yeah but everything script related is handled by the server |
| 11:39.51 | grim001 | it's not |
| 11:39.57 | grim001 | everything in the script is handled by each individual player |
| 11:40.08 | grim001 | if anything diverges between the players, you get a desync |
| 11:40.18 | A1win | mmh |
| 11:41.38 | Agouti | thats why you should avoid any scripting events immediately after loading |
| 11:41.42 | Agouti | things like cameras |
| 11:41.46 | Agouti | unit orders |
| 11:41.57 | Agouti | should all wait a second or 2 at least |
| 11:42.05 | Agouti | otherwise you run a high risk of desyncs |
| 11:42.19 | grim001 | i dont think that is true |
| 11:42.24 | ProzaicMuze | Man this default code is so sloppy |
| 11:42.31 | ProzaicMuze | how does google get away with such awful coding!/ |
| 11:42.50 | ProzaicMuze | For anyone who knows basic HTML: |
| 11:43.05 | Agouti | grim001: it IS true, I had those very things and would have 1-2 desyncs every game |
| 11:43.09 | Agouti | I added a delay, and they went away |
| 11:43.16 | grim001 | I guess SC2 sucks then |
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| 11:43.38 | ProzaicMuze | To simulate indents, they make an empty <tr> or <td> instead of simply setting the <table width="X%"> and then adding padding or margins |
| 11:44.10 | XenoX101 | SC2 DOES SUCK |
| 11:44.14 | ProzaicMuze | You suck |
| 11:44.15 | ProzaicMuze | go die |
| 11:44.19 | XenoX101 | ;p |
| 11:44.22 | Agouti | muze |
| 11:44.24 | Agouti | that is fugle |
| 11:44.27 | Agouti | soo fugly |
| 11:44.27 | XenoX101 | I want to make a 5 page essay thread |
| 11:44.36 | Agouti | do it |
| 11:44.42 | Agouti | on ethics in engineering |
| 11:44.43 | XenoX101 | on maps that include as many heros/weapons/upgrades/abilities/units/etc |
| 11:44.46 | Agouti | so I can copy it |
| 11:44.49 | XenoX101 | as is physically possible |
| 11:45.03 | XenoX101 | like god damn I was playing marine arnea |
| 11:45.05 | XenoX101 | arena |
| 11:45.10 | XenoX101 | I didnt even know there was extra stuff in the middle |
| 11:45.32 | ProzaicMuze | lol |
| 11:45.38 | XenoX101 | it literally has over 100 different upgrades, units, abilities, yadayada |
| 11:45.40 | ProzaicMuze | Some games add extra stuff just to have it |
| 11:45.56 | Agouti | well duh, the more stuff you have, the better it is |
| 11:45.58 | Agouti | dota |
| 11:46.01 | Agouti | case proven |
| 11:46.02 | XenoX101 | not only is it impossible to balance, but it is cluttered and stupid |
| 11:46.04 | Agouti | just add more stuff |
| 11:46.07 | Agouti | until it's good |
| 11:46.10 | Agouti | MROE |
| 11:46.19 | XenoX101 | thats the problem |
| 11:46.29 | XenoX101 | people just jampack their map with crap |
| 11:46.32 | XenoX101 | thinking it makes it better |
| 11:46.37 | Agouti | it doesn't have to be organized, or documented, or even available |
| 11:46.40 | Agouti | it just has to exist |
| 11:46.42 | XenoX101 | lol |
| 11:46.50 | Agouti | actually |
| 11:46.52 | XenoX101 | I'm gonna write a thread on it soon |
| 11:46.53 | XenoX101 | I will |
| 11:46.54 | XenoX101 | lol' |
| 11:46.55 | Agouti | fans push that angle as well |
| 11:47.03 | XenoX101 | fuck the fans though |
| 11:47.07 | XenoX101 | I was saying that before |
| 11:47.08 | Agouti | you must add more units |
| 11:47.11 | XenoX101 | they only know so much |
| 11:47.14 | XenoX101 | about mapmaking |
| 11:47.15 | Agouti | but shit is so unbalanced... |
| 11:47.16 | Agouti | MORE |
| 11:47.20 | XenoX101 | remember I was talking to you game design |
| 11:47.27 | XenoX101 | and how most mapmakers I think dont have a clue |
| 11:47.31 | XenoX101 | as to what makes a good game |
| 11:47.33 | XenoX101 | no offense |
| 11:47.35 | XenoX101 | I dont either |
| 11:47.42 | ProzaicMuze | erm |
| 11:47.47 | ProzaicMuze | DOTA isn't a good example of more is better |
| 11:47.48 | Agouti | you either |
| 11:47.53 | ProzaicMuze | They just add more hero options |
| 11:47.59 | ProzaicMuze | and the items stayed mostly the same and most of them made sense |
| 11:48.01 | XenoX101 | but thats why you see 500,000 rpgs, hero arenas, madness maps, tower defenses |
| 11:48.02 | Agouti | it was sarcasm |
| 11:48.04 | Agouti | btw |
| 11:48.05 | XenoX101 | and basically regurgitations |
| 11:48.12 | Agouti | in case you hadn't realized |
| 11:48.14 | XenoX101 | we dont need more regurgitation |
| 11:48.15 | ProzaicMuze | psh |
| 11:48.42 | XenoX101 | its irc, you have to use an upside down question mark to denote sarcasm |
| 11:48.45 | ProzaicMuze | I shall regurgitate a better version of all those maps |
| 11:48.52 | XenoX101 | oh god |
| 11:48.53 | Agouti | do it |
| 11:48.56 | Agouti | orban |
| 11:49.02 | ProzaicMuze | You can try to ban me |
| 11:49.04 | XenoX101 | dont even think about making some kind of hybrid all in one map |
| 11:49.08 | XenoX101 | that would be |
| 11:49.08 | ProzaicMuze | you'll just end up banning yourself |
| 11:49.12 | XenoX101 | just imagine that |
| 11:49.13 | ProzaicMuze | EPIC |
| 11:49.19 | ProzaicMuze | It would be a series of mini-games |
| 11:49.21 | ProzaicMuze | like Mario Party |
| 11:49.32 | ProzaicMuze | you know you want to play this zombie-stitched game now |
| 11:49.44 | XenoX101 | Zerg Hero Arena Hunter Defense of the Zombie Survival of the Imperial RPG v5.33 |
| 11:49.46 | Agouti | it's dota-clc-nexus-vtd-id clone |
| 11:50.05 | XenoX101 | err |
| 11:50.07 | Agouti | don't even bother trying to balance |
| 11:50.08 | XenoX101 | throw phantom in there somewhere |
| 11:50.14 | Agouti | just shove all the mechanics in |
| 11:50.17 | Agouti | shake it around |
| 11:50.18 | Agouti | and publish |
| 11:50.20 | XenoX101 | lol |
| 11:50.28 | XenoX101 | wack it all in a blender |
| 11:50.32 | XenoX101 | push HIGH |
| 11:50.44 | Agouti | come back in 5 |
| 11:50.44 | A1win | sounds good |
| 11:50.50 | XenoX101 | lol |
| 11:50.55 | XenoX101 | A1win do you have a notification |
| 11:50.57 | XenoX101 | for 'blender' |
| 11:51.00 | XenoX101 | cause that would be lolz |
| 11:51.02 | Agouti | or better yet |
| 11:51.09 | Agouti | take each map in turn |
| 11:51.10 | A1win | :P I've been reading this for a while |
| 11:51.16 | Agouti | run a merging tool over it |
| 11:51.25 | Agouti | and at random pick to copy or keep |
| 11:51.27 | Agouti | do this for each map |
| 11:51.35 | XenoX101 | naw, just keep everything |
| 11:51.43 | Agouti | but there would be conflicts |
| 11:51.48 | XenoX101 | it'll be the biggest cluster orgy fuck map the world has ever known |
| 11:51.53 | XenoX101 | who cares |
| 11:51.59 | Agouti | oh, just duplicate the conflicts |
| 11:52.01 | Agouti | silly me |
| 11:52.03 | A1win | errors are just red text on the screen |
| 11:52.03 | XenoX101 | lol |
| 11:52.14 | XenoX101 | the leader board will keep track of |
| 11:52.17 | XenoX101 | every single statistic |
| 11:52.18 | XenoX101 | that is measurable |
| 11:52.20 | Agouti | unless it crashes the map, it isn't a problem |
| 11:52.22 | XenoX101 | not for any real purpose or anything |
| 11:52.28 | Agouti | damage dealt: |
| 11:52.29 | XenoX101 | it just tracks |
| 11:52.30 | XenoX101 | everything |
| 11:52.31 | Agouti | damage dealt per second |
| 11:52.37 | Agouti | aver damage per effect |
| 11:52.39 | A1win | trigger errors caused: |
| 11:52.41 | Agouti | effects per second |
| 11:52.47 | XenoX101 | Grid spaces moved by zerglings while being attacked by Storm: 32 |
| 11:52.52 | Agouti | bahaha |
| 11:53.07 | XenoX101 | Number of banelings that have danced: 4 |
| 11:53.09 | Agouti | average reaction time to Calls for Help |
| 11:53.34 | XenoX101 | Average Intelligent Quotient of players in the game: ERROR |
| 11:53.39 | A1win | variable that can only be changed by modifying the bank file: |
| 11:53.43 | Agouti | the goal would, of course, to have the leaderboard take up more space then is actually available on the screen |
| 11:53.52 | XenoX101 | oh god yes |
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| 11:53.55 | XenoX101 | the map would be |
| 11:53.57 | XenoX101 | player |
| 11:53.57 | XenoX101 | vs |
| 11:53.59 | XenoX101 | leaderboard |
| 11:54.01 | *** mode/#sc2mapster [+v ProzaicMuze] by ChanServ |
| 11:54.03 | XenoX101 | not as in record |
| 11:54.06 | XenoX101 | as in literally fighting it |
| 11:54.10 | XenoX101 | cant move around it |
| 11:54.13 | XenoX101 | cant navigate |
| 11:54.20 | XenoX101 | cant do anything |
| 11:54.24 | Agouti | you would have hotkeys |
| 11:54.24 | XenoX101 | unless you use the |
| 11:54.26 | ProzaicMuze | Must use hot keys and minimap only |
| 11:54.27 | XenoX101 | yes |
| 11:54.31 | XenoX101 | perfect |
| 11:54.49 | XenoX101 | gents this would be an amazing map |
| 11:54.57 | ProzaicMuze | Most epic map ever |
| 11:55.00 | Agouti | ... have any of you played Upgrade Complete? |
| 11:55.04 | A1win | yeah |
| 11:55.05 | ProzaicMuze | http://prozaicmuze.blogspot.com/ |
| 11:55.07 | Agouti | that |
| 11:55.07 | ProzaicMuze | more changes |
| 11:55.09 | Agouti | in sc2 |
| 11:55.13 | ProzaicMuze | need opinion of tutorials section |
| 11:55.19 | Agouti | you have to unlock, for instance, a mouse cursor |
| 11:55.24 | ProzaicMuze | Keep divided by difficulty, or by editor section? |
| 11:55.28 | Agouti | and command card buttons |
| 11:55.37 | Agouti | minimap |
| 11:55.49 | ProzaicMuze | That sounds like a really dumb map |
| 11:56.39 | Agouti | your are right. The previous idea was soo much better |
| 11:56.51 | ProzaicMuze | Obviously |
| 11:56.53 | Agouti | sorry to have diverted the topic away from feasible, quality maps |
| 11:56.55 | ProzaicMuze | at least you start with a cursor |
| 11:56.56 | ProzaicMuze | gosh |
| 11:57.02 | Agouti | actually |
| 11:57.05 | Agouti | is that even possible? |
| 11:57.19 | ProzaicMuze | I believe you can hide the cursor |
| 11:57.30 | A1win | yea you can ;p |
| 11:57.42 | Agouti | >:D |
| 11:57.43 | ProzaicMuze | And the rest of the screen can be hidden, removed, reskinned etc |
| 11:57.47 | ProzaicMuze | so you can do all of the above |
| 11:57.49 | A1win | you can even hide it so that it doesn't show up after you quit the map |
| 11:57.49 | A1win | :P |
| 11:57.53 | Agouti | haha |
| 11:57.56 | ProzaicMuze | Which is jewish |
| 11:58.04 | Agouti | you mispelt awesome |
| 11:58.05 | XenoX101 | sounds like a rip off of achievement complete |
| 11:58.15 | XenoX101 | err |
| 11:58.18 | Agouti | I've just decided |
| 11:58.18 | XenoX101 | achievement unlocked |
| 11:58.30 | Agouti | that I'm going to make that happen when people get vote-kicked |
| 11:58.31 | XenoX101 | http://armorgames.com/play/2893/achievement-unlocked |
| 11:58.33 | XenoX101 | http://armorgames.com/play/6561/achievement-unlocked-2 |
| 11:58.39 | Agouti | that is what I meant |
| 11:59.19 | XenoX101 | ah |
| 11:59.43 | ProzaicMuze | rofl |
| 12:00.28 | ProzaicMuze | lmfao |
| 12:00.29 | ProzaicMuze | best game ever |
| 12:07.29 | Helral|afk | meow |
| 12:09.10 | ProzaicMuze | so yeayh |
| 12:09.11 | ProzaicMuze | http://prozaicmuze.blogspot.com/p/tutorials.html |
| 12:09.15 | ProzaicMuze | sort by difficulty? |
| 12:09.19 | ProzaicMuze | or by type? |
| 12:09.21 | ProzaicMuze | currently sorted by diff |
| 12:16.22 | Agouti | difficulty, with type listed, is good |
| 12:17.07 | ProzaicMuze | mmk |
| 12:17.16 | ProzaicMuze | lazy answer lol |
| 12:17.22 | Helral|afk | I d go for Type --> difficulty. ;p |
| 12:17.39 | ProzaicMuze | *facepalm* |
| 12:17.46 | Helral|afk | I d expect people to sooner look for the type, then for diff ;p |
| 12:18.08 | Agouti | there aren't enough there yet to justify any change from current, in my mind |
| 12:18.20 | Helral|afk | true ;p atm it doesn t matter. |
| 12:18.32 | Helral|afk | simply because you can see them all on 1 page. |
| 12:19.19 | ProzaicMuze | psh |
| 12:19.20 | ProzaicMuze | soon |
| 12:19.23 | ProzaicMuze | there will be hundreds |
| 12:19.27 | ProzaicMuze | hundreds upon thousands |
| 12:19.37 | Helral|afk | ow that ain't many |
| 12:19.50 | Helral|afk | will you be indexing all the tutorials on sc2mapster? |
| 12:20.35 | Agouti | in that case, the correct answer to your previous question is "both, user selectable" |
| 12:24.13 | ProzaicMuze | psh |
| 12:24.15 | ProzaicMuze | go die agouti |
| 12:24.19 | ProzaicMuze | and what do you mean Helral? |
| 12:25.51 | Helral|afk | well your link says all hosted on sc2mapster ;p |
| 12:26.09 | Helral|afk | posted* |
| 12:26.20 | Helral|afk | so was wondering if you d just add your own or from other sods aas well ;p |
| 12:28.12 | ProzaicMuze | Ah |
| 12:28.15 | ProzaicMuze | I'm only doing my own tutorials |
| 12:29.00 | Helral|afk | :P |
| 12:29.02 | ProzaicMuze | I figure if people are coming to my blog for tutorials, they only want to see my own. Then once they're at the site they can look for anything I haven't covered in the other list |
| 12:29.50 | Helral|afk | just add a link after the last tutorial, "For some lesser tutorials about items I haven t covered follow this link" *roflol* |
| 12:29.56 | ProzaicMuze | rofl |
| 12:30.12 | ProzaicMuze | I might, but I already have a direct link to mapster at the top |
| 12:30.24 | Helral|afk | and just above that: "Helral's super amaing UI Tutorial" |
| 12:30.32 | Helral|afk | amazing* |
| 12:32.53 | Helral|afk | btw did you read the last news item on SC2Mapster ;p |
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| 12:34.45 | ProzaicMuze | rofl |
| 12:34.54 | ProzaicMuze | I take it someone really wants me to read their UI tutorial? |
| 12:37.24 | ProzaicMuze | http://prozaicmuze.blogspot.com/p/tutorials.html |
| 12:37.24 | ProzaicMuze | fixed |
| 12:39.20 | Agouti | for a given definition of fix |
| 12:40.15 | Agouti | ;p |
| 12:40.45 | ProzaicMuze | You, sir, should be slapped |
| 12:41.04 | Agouti | I found your chain beam tutorial quite useful though |
| 12:41.08 | Dekar- | random thought regarding protection: the best way to protect your maps from bank hackers is the NotDA way, make the game harder the more experience you have saved while unlocking more options to play the game |
| 12:41.10 | Agouti | saved a lot of trial-and-error time |
| 12:41.48 | ProzaicMuze | Glad I could help |
| 12:41.56 | ProzaicMuze | it's slightly outdated so I need to update it at some point |
| 12:42.08 | ProzaicMuze | some of the new patches made some of the steps easier to do |
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| 12:57.15 | Helral|afk | ProzaicMuze: I meant more my comments on the news actually |
| 12:57.27 | ProzaicMuze | oh lol |
| 12:57.30 | ProzaicMuze | I'll go take a peek |
| 12:58.06 | ProzaicMuze | lol owned |
| 12:58.24 | Helral|afk | :) |
| 12:59.10 | Helral|afk | well Sixen did prove that he is an actual Journalist type of person ;p |
| 13:04.13 | ProzaicMuze | meh |
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| 13:09.47 | Ashamed_ | good morning |
| 13:10.07 | JManV | morning |
| 13:10.21 | Ashamed_ | my shift be changing txt week |
| 13:10.27 | Ashamed_ | so i wont be on the same shift as you anymore jman |
| 13:11.04 | Ashamed_ | 11:30 - 8:00 >< |
| 13:11.07 | ProzaicMuze | ha ha |
| 13:11.26 | Ashamed_ | is because me and my wife need differnt shifts now for the baby |
| 13:11.47 | Ashamed_ | but its cool becasue i wont have to wake up at 5:30 any more |
| 13:12.12 | ProzaicMuze | ha. . . ha? |
| 13:13.02 | Ashamed_ | he he |
| 13:13.20 | Ashamed_ | how do i change my nick name ? |
| 13:13.25 | Helral|afk | ./nick |
| 13:13.40 | Ashamed_ | SHUSH your afk |
| 13:14.00 | Helral|afk | yes I'm away from the keyboard connected to this pc from which I'm sending this message. |
| 13:14.16 | Ashamed|Work | oh you remoting ? |
| 13:14.27 | Ashamed|Work | with your cell phone ? |
| 13:14.28 | Helral|Work | just didn't feel like responding on this window |
| 13:14.30 | ProzaicMuze | I'm afk too |
| 13:14.36 | Ashamed|Work | Oh shiz |
| 13:14.39 | Ashamed|Work | the prozaic is afk |
| 13:14.39 | Helral|afk | ;p |
| 13:22.44 | Agouti | meow? |
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| 13:30.18 | Mexa | Hello |
| 13:30.24 | Mexa | JademusSreg, are you there? |
| 13:32.19 | Ashamed|Work | just poke him a few more times |
| 13:32.22 | Ashamed|Work | he will budge |
| 13:32.26 | Ashamed|Work | jademusSreg |
| 13:32.35 | Ashamed|Work | TRIPPLE POKE |
| 13:33.12 | Mexa | heh |
| 13:34.24 | JManV | shakes his head |
| 13:34.47 | JManV | pompous BW players on bnet complaining about UI improvements "dumbing" down the game |
| 13:35.32 | JManV | my argument: "A user interface bridges the gap between what the user wants and what the computer does. A more efficient UI is always desireable." |
| 13:35.55 | JManV | and also: "In the end, this is a stategy game, and it should be about the strategy. It should not be about how hard you hard to work to get the computer to understand what you want." |
| 13:36.49 | JManV | ofc, i'm a programmer - i see UI improvements, i think "awesome"... always. |
| 13:38.22 | JManV | but someone else referred to platinum players as noobs |
| 13:40.53 | JManV | but i do always love the "i have more free time than you, and i waste it all playing starcraft, therefore I am a better person than you"-type arguements |
| 13:44.55 | lefix | imho platinum players play more than enough too |
| 13:45.11 | lefix | even bronze players like myself do :P |
| 13:45.36 | JManV | yeah, there's no such thing as a "platinum noob" |
| 13:46.05 | JManV | noobs don't get placed in platinum unless they have a lot of RTS experience |
| 13:46.22 | lefix | maybe did on release |
| 13:46.26 | lefix | not these days |
| 13:47.02 | JManV | his arguement was "any platinum noob can keep up with me on macro" |
| 13:47.38 | JManV | and i'm like - "isn't that basically the defintion of a platinum player? someone who has their macro well under control?" |
| 13:48.07 | JManV | "maybe you should actually out-strategy them... at this STRATEGY game" |
| 13:48.24 | lefix | some people haven't played in lower leagues for quite a while |
| 13:48.52 | JManV | yeah |
| 13:49.13 | JManV | generally the difference between a platinum and diamong player comes down to decision making in tense situations |
| 13:49.15 | lefix | theres not really many noobs left, even in bronze |
| 13:50.01 | JManV | the diamond player will remain calm and make good decisions, the platinum player will do one or none of those |
| 13:50.56 | JManV | meh. i don't even know why i get in these arguments on bnet. they're so childish |
| 13:51.06 | XenoX101 | yeah I'm around plat and I choke in mid-late game |
| 13:51.21 | lefix | because people enjoy debates |
| 13:51.22 | XenoX101 | dont argue on b.net forums its full of kids |
| 13:51.47 | lefix | people even will argue against things they agree with |
| 13:51.49 | JManV | well, kids didn't play BW, that's for sure |
| 13:51.58 | JManV | so these are adults making childish arguments :P |
| 13:52.27 | XenoX101 | lot of youngsters who dont know shit on b.net forums though |
| 13:52.36 | XenoX101 | patch 1.3 made them all come out |
| 13:52.37 | JManV | and a game like BW, released today, would not be played |
| 13:52.55 | JManV | people would complain to no end about the interface, and blizz would be forced to improve it |
| 13:53.02 | JManV | that is if they got any notable sales at all |
| 13:54.00 | Ashamed|Work | QUICK someone name a crime against "humanity" |
| 13:54.10 | JManV | stabs a baby. |
| 13:54.29 | Ashamed|Work | yeah i can see that |
| 13:54.31 | JManV | is that enough? |
| 13:54.41 | JManV | or do i need to commit genocide or something? |
| 13:54.45 | Ashamed|Work | being gay ? |
| 13:54.47 | JManV | cuz i'll do it |
| 13:55.16 | JManV | hurds up all the jews into... oh wait. that's been done. |
| 13:55.24 | Ashamed|Work | yeah |
| 13:55.28 | Ashamed|Work | been there done that |
| 13:56.14 | JManV | rounds up all the Portuguese people and murders them all in heinous ways. |
| 13:56.25 | *** join/#sc2mapster Bounty (442d304d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.45.48.77) |
| 13:56.41 | ProzaicMuze | poor portuguese people |
| 13:56.48 | ProzaicMuze | and athene was just about to give them a champion too |
| 13:56.54 | JManV | a long time ago i decided to be racist against a nation of people for no reason whatsoever |
| 13:57.01 | JManV | i chose Portuguese people |
| 13:57.24 | JManV | i even went so far as to come up with a slang for them |
| 13:57.27 | JManV | they are "Picos" |
| 13:57.34 | JManV | and also, a reason to hate them |
| 13:57.40 | Bounty | You know whats funny about racism |
| 13:57.49 | Bounty | EVERYONE is racist at one point or another lol |
| 13:57.49 | JManV | "because they took over Brazil and made them speak Bastard Spanish" |
| 13:57.58 | ProzaicMuze | Xp |
| 13:58.25 | Bounty | It is not possible to go your entire life without being racist for atleast 1 second |
| 13:58.31 | JManV | if theres anyone from portugal here, i don't really hate you |
| 13:58.44 | JManV | but you could at least speak regular Spanish :P |
| 13:58.59 | ProzaicMuze | even if they were from portugal, I'd still hate them |
| 13:59.09 | JManV | fucking picos |
| 13:59.17 | ProzaicMuze | I think you mean pickles |
| 13:59.26 | Bounty | I am extremely racist against spanish speakers |
| 13:59.48 | Ashamed|Work | lol |
| 13:59.54 | ProzaicMuze | anyone know how you do the "Hide/Spoiler" with Wiki Creole? |
| 14:00.07 | Ashamed|Work | brazil is a nice country too |
| 14:00.09 | ProzaicMuze | I saw a tutorial wher ethey used them and realized I could use them as well to reduce the massive length of my tutorials |
| 14:00.11 | Bounty | So many jobs that say "bilingual a plus" |
| 14:00.11 | Bounty | pisses me off |
| 14:00.11 | JManV | i don't know |
| 14:00.11 | JManV | i've wondered that for a long time |
| 14:00.12 | *** join/#sc2mapster RipperRoo (~RipperRoo@pC19F7801.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 14:00.12 | Ashamed|Work | i like it |
| 14:00.12 | ProzaicMuze | make them even easier on the eyes |
| 14:00.14 | Bounty | THIS IS AMERICA! |
| 14:00.29 | Ashamed|Work | i wish it wasn't ;( |
| 14:00.35 | Ashamed|Work | i want to live in Brazil! |
| 14:00.35 | Bounty | If you dont speak English and live in America you need to GTFO |
| 14:00.52 | ProzaicMuze | Yeah, I figure if you're going to be a jew and sneak into our country in the first place, at least makeit less obvious and learn our language |
| 14:01.04 | Bounty | They should test all people who speak Spanish. If they cant speak English they should be deported |
| 14:01.11 | ProzaicMuze | ./signed |
| 14:01.15 | Bounty | DEY TOOK OUR JERBS! |
| 14:01.27 | Bounty | seriously |
| 14:01.38 | *** join/#sc2mapster Ka[L]ekin (~Ka_L_ekin@dsl-240-24-233.telkomadsl.co.za) |
| 14:01.41 | Bounty | bilingual a plus on a job pretty much just says to me hey we only hire mexicans |
| 14:01.48 | Bounty | and its usually an office job lol |
| 14:01.56 | JManV | if you figure it out prox, i'd like to know |
| 14:02.01 | Ashamed|Work | :( |
| 14:02.02 | Bounty | which makes no sense bc ive never seen a mexican work in an office |
| 14:02.02 | ProzaicMuze | nevah! |
| 14:02.02 | Ashamed|Work | lol |
| 14:02.07 | JManV | it would really help my tuts as well |
| 14:02.11 | Ashamed|Work | that kinda reminds me of a question i had about one of my agents |
| 14:02.11 | ProzaicMuze | I shall hoard the knowledge in mah piggy bank |
| 14:02.13 | Ashamed|Work | ready for thisw |
| 14:02.19 | ProzaicMuze | and obfuscate the crap outta it so you can't hack it! |
| 14:02.26 | JManV | heh |
| 14:02.28 | Ka[L]ekin | What are we hoarding? |
| 14:02.31 | JManV | i'll hack it anyways! |
| 14:02.33 | ProzaicMuze | Your tears |
| 14:02.38 | Ashamed|Work | chadk@us.ibm.com - Chad Koslovsky/Boulder/Contr/IBM: whats that little white mexicans name ? 7:12:56 AM: chadk@us.ibm.com - Chad Koslovsky/Boulder/Contr/IBM: the bald one ? |
| 14:03.07 | Bounty | I wanna see an episode of Hoarders where its a black dude and he hoards bitches and hoes |
| 14:03.15 | Ashamed|Work | lol |
| 14:03.39 | JManV | those are called pimps... that's different show altogether |
| 14:03.52 | Ashamed|Work | thats teh show |
| 14:04.00 | Ashamed|Work | Pimps don't cry |
| 14:04.08 | Bounty | Would make a good episode of Hoarders imo |
| 14:04.22 | Bounty | Better then some old twat who collects magazines and shoes |
| 14:04.27 | Bounty | oh noe! |
| 14:04.34 | Bounty | stfu n throw that shit away |
| 14:04.38 | Ashamed|Work | lol |
| 14:04.46 | Bounty | i wanna see people who hoard dead hookers or something |
| 14:04.46 | Ashamed|Work | wtf you doing bithc |
| 14:04.50 | Ashamed|Work | keepen magazines |
| 14:04.51 | Ashamed|Work | and shoes |
| 14:04.55 | Bounty | iknorite |
| 14:05.03 | Ashamed|Work | i horde ... dead babies |
| 14:05.12 | JManV | i don't see spoilers on the wiki creole cheat sheet |
| 14:05.29 | Bounty | i get mah 6950 today! |
| 14:05.37 | Bounty | still need to sell my two 4870's though lol |
| 14:05.38 | Ashamed|Work | so you sending me the other ones :) |
| 14:05.41 | JManV | yeah, i hide my dead hookers, i don't want ppl finding them |
| 14:05.49 | Bounty | u wanna buy em Ashamed? |
| 14:05.51 | Bounty | 180 for both =P |
| 14:05.53 | Ashamed|Work | nope |
| 14:06.05 | Ashamed|Work | i have a card that has dedicated 1 gb |
| 14:06.06 | JManV | that's all i need... someone saying, "is that a dead hooker under your coffee table?" |
| 14:06.09 | Bounty | I think thats a good deal right? |
| 14:06.16 | Bounty | 180 for two 4870's |
| 14:06.17 | JManV | then i'd have a dead guest i'd need to hide too |
| 14:06.17 | Ashamed|Work | they are old bounty |
| 14:06.22 | Ashamed|Work | i would do 120 or something |
| 14:06.30 | Bounty | I can still max out new games Ashamed |
| 14:06.32 | Ashamed|Work | liek 6 years old ? |
| 14:06.32 | Bounty | lol |
| 14:06.35 | Ashamed|Work | doesn't matter |
| 14:06.40 | Bounty | yes it does |
| 14:06.41 | JManV | i have a 9800 |
| 14:06.45 | Ashamed|Work | No It dont |
| 14:06.46 | Bounty | they are still badass cards |
| 14:06.51 | Ashamed|Work | they are 6 years old ? |
| 14:06.54 | Bounty | no |
| 14:06.57 | Ashamed|Work | 5 |
| 14:07.01 | Bounty | nope |
| 14:07.03 | Ashamed|Work | 4 |
| 14:07.03 | Bounty | 2 |
| 14:07.08 | Ashamed|Work | oh thats not too bad |
| 14:07.16 | ProzaicMuze | a crazy axe murderer and bodies would be better |
| 14:07.19 | JManV | nvidia or ati? |
| 14:07.23 | Ashamed|Work | its ati |
| 14:07.25 | Bounty | ATI |
| 14:07.27 | JManV | ew |
| 14:07.28 | ProzaicMuze | because you know by the time the show ended he had a few more bodies in his stash |
| 14:07.32 | Ashamed|Work | yeah i know jman :( |
| 14:07.35 | Bounty | prolly ATI's best cards ever |
| 14:07.36 | JManV | only nvidia here |
| 14:07.37 | Ashamed|Work | ati was good like 6 years ago |
| 14:07.43 | JManV | ati was never good |
| 14:07.45 | Ashamed|Work | yeah i have nvida too |
| 14:07.50 | Bounty | 4870's destroyed NVIDIA's cards |
| 14:07.55 | Ashamed|Work | they were better i should say |
| 14:07.55 | Bounty | just so u know |
| 14:07.58 | JManV | ati is better having been bought by AMD |
| 14:08.04 | JManV | they're probably fine |
| 14:08.15 | Ashamed|Work | they just have shitty universal drivers |
| 14:08.18 | Ashamed|Work | and they piss me off |
| 14:08.22 | JManV | but i still feel the need to boycott them from lack of support and other BS when they were really ATI |
| 14:08.24 | Ashamed|Work | CATAYLIST GET OFF MY COMPUTER |
| 14:08.25 | Ashamed|Work | NOW! |
| 14:08.44 | Bounty | ATI > NVidia imo |
| 14:08.50 | Bounty | Nvidia is ovepriced |
| 14:08.53 | Ashamed|Work | you are wrong |
| 14:08.56 | Ashamed|Work | they are not |
| 14:09.02 | ProzaicMuze | wem |
| 14:09.11 | ProzaicMuze | price is determined by the seller, not them |
| 14:09.13 | ProzaicMuze | erm* |
| 14:09.18 | Bounty | just because a game is coded to run better with Nvidia doesnt mean its a better card lol |
| 14:09.23 | JManV | any gfx card is overpriced if you buy the top of the line |
| 14:09.33 | ProzaicMuze | I get brand new cards dirt cheap all the time |
| 14:09.35 | Bounty | well that strue JMan |
| 14:09.44 | JManV | but you can by a card that is 3% slower for half the price |
| 14:09.48 | Bounty | and where do u buy them Proz |
| 14:09.54 | Ashamed|Work | yeah i never buy the top of the line |
| 14:09.59 | Ashamed|Work | spending 400 dollars on a fucken gpu |
| 14:10.01 | Ashamed|Work | is redic |
| 14:10.04 | Bounty | thats why i got a 6950 JManV |
| 14:10.04 | ProzaicMuze | eBay, less known stores desperate for buyers, craigs list etc |
| 14:10.06 | JManV | i stay around $100-150 |
| 14:10.10 | ProzaicMuze | Eh |
| 14:10.12 | Ashamed|Work | yeah me too jman |
| 14:10.15 | Ashamed|Work | and just get two |
| 14:10.18 | ProzaicMuze | I have paid $500+ for a gfx card |
| 14:10.23 | ProzaicMuze | and it was both cheaper and old |
| 14:10.24 | Bounty | 6950 was only 300 bucks |
| 14:10.29 | Ashamed|Work | you would prozaic |
| 14:10.30 | JManV | and then it depreciated instantly? |
| 14:10.33 | Ashamed|Work | because you are a fucking fanboy |
| 14:10.33 | ProzaicMuze | I have to |
| 14:10.35 | Ashamed|Work | arn't you |
| 14:10.35 | ProzaicMuze | and no, it didn't |
| 14:10.38 | Ashamed|Work | i bet you buy intel too ? |
| 14:10.50 | ProzaicMuze | I'm a graphic designer and I work with high end photography |
| 14:10.53 | Bounty | i buy intel :) |
| 14:10.56 | JManV | I'm AMD, Asus, NVidia all the way |
| 14:10.57 | Bounty | cpu wise |
| 14:10.58 | Ashamed|Work | fucken bounty |
| 14:10.59 | ProzaicMuze | thus I need super gfx cards in order to do my job lol |
| 14:11.04 | Ashamed|Work | :) jman we think alike |
| 14:11.11 | Ashamed|Work | thats my current build too |
| 14:11.22 | JManV | those 6-core AMDs are hot |
| 14:11.26 | ProzaicMuze | I typically don't care where it came from, just that it does what I need lol |
| 14:11.30 | JManV | and like 1/4 the price of the intel |
| 14:11.32 | Bounty | 6 cores is so stupid lol |
| 14:11.34 | Bounty | for gaming atleast |
| 14:11.37 | Ashamed|Work | yeah my freind just got the 6 core |
| 14:11.41 | Ashamed|Work | bounty right now it is |
| 14:11.41 | Bounty | games dont even support fucking 4 cores yet |
| 14:11.42 | ProzaicMuze | 6core is a waste |
| 14:11.47 | Bounty | and AMD comes out with 6 |
| 14:11.48 | Ashamed|Work | when the qaud core came out it was the same |
| 14:11.49 | Bounty | you ever notice |
| 14:11.55 | ProzaicMuze | Games run better with fewer cores |
| 14:11.56 | Bounty | AMD is the pioneer of odd core numbers |
| 14:11.58 | ProzaicMuze | not with more cores |
| 14:11.58 | JManV | bounty: 6 cores actually /dramatically/ increased the speed of GE |
| 14:12.01 | Bounty | 3 core CPU's |
| 14:12.04 | Ashamed|Work | now that 6-cores is out though they will be used in up coming games |
| 14:12.06 | Bounty | like wtc |
| 14:12.22 | Ashamed|Work | i rather have 6 cores tehn 4 and then 4 hyper threaded |
| 14:12.26 | Bounty | thats why im happy with my E8400 |
| 14:12.28 | JManV | also, you can tie the cores together |
| 14:12.28 | Ashamed|Work | oh and having to pay 1200 for that |
| 14:12.31 | Bounty | still beast |
| 14:12.36 | ProzaicMuze | That's because you dont' understand how cores work rofl |
| 14:12.38 | A1win | games aren't the most cpu intensive things out there though :P |
| 14:12.39 | JManV | and run off 3 super-cores |
| 14:12.43 | ProzaicMuze | more cores does not = better at all |
| 14:13.09 | Ashamed|Work | no i know that 1200 for a 4 core / threaded |
| 14:13.12 | Ashamed|Work | and 200 for a 6 core |
| 14:13.13 | ProzaicMuze | Easy example: |
| 14:13.18 | JManV | live streaming is very processor intensive, and more cores helps greatly |
| 14:13.27 | ProzaicMuze | You've got 2 samoans who can lift 500lbs each in 200degree weather |
| 14:13.34 | Bounty | Then why does your stream suck JMAnV |
| 14:13.36 | Bounty | lol |
| 14:13.40 | Ashamed|Work | but intel has that new techology that is suppose to be cheaper |
| 14:13.40 | ProzaicMuze | or you have 6 mexicans who can lift 200lbs each in 100degree weather |
| 14:13.46 | JManV | does it? |
| 14:13.47 | Ashamed|Work | and more efficent |
| 14:13.54 | Ashamed|Work | there was something wrong with the north bridge |
| 14:13.56 | Ashamed|Work | or some shit |
| 14:14.08 | JManV | if it does, that would be network bandwidth, not processing speed |
| 14:14.10 | Bounty | You know the only reason EU map night gets 10x more viewers then your stream is bc yours stutters like crazy right? |
| 14:14.12 | ProzaicMuze | not at all Jman |
| 14:14.15 | ProzaicMuze | cores allow multitasking |
| 14:14.16 | Ashamed|Work | so we will see if intel comes down in price soon |
| 14:14.22 | Bounty | Peoplw WANT to watch your stream |
| 14:14.24 | A1win | ProzaicMuze, are you saying that one more powerful core is better than two less powerful ones |
| 14:14.24 | Bounty | myself included |
| 14:14.29 | Bounty | but it lags like crazy |
| 14:14.33 | JManV | i was not aware |
| 14:14.33 | Bounty | there has to be a way u can fix it |
| 14:14.37 | Bounty | really? |
| 14:14.45 | JManV | there is, i need to switch service providers |
| 14:14.46 | ProzaicMuze | A multi-core processor is essentially multiple less powerful cores that add up to more than a better core in smaller amounts |
| 14:14.46 | Bounty | i would have thought someone told u lol |
| 14:14.49 | A1win | ProzaicMuze, but what if the cores are all equal |
| 14:14.53 | ProzaicMuze | And yes/no A1win |
| 14:14.54 | JManV | my ISP caps at 2Mb/s upload |
| 14:14.59 | Bounty | JMAn |
| 14:15.01 | Bounty | if u didnt notice |
| 14:15.06 | Bounty | then its def ur bandwidth |
| 14:15.15 | Bounty | bc i was wondering to myself how the hell u were playing the game |
| 14:15.18 | Bounty | with the stutter |
| 14:15.19 | JManV | i found out last week that i can get 20/4 for the price i'm getting 15/2 for |
| 14:15.32 | ProzaicMuze | In the case of gaming, fewer cores are often better simply because of how information is transferred |
| 14:15.34 | Ashamed|Work | :) |
| 14:15.36 | ProzaicMuze | Imagine you have an empty jar |
| 14:15.38 | Ashamed|Work | do that |
| 14:15.43 | Bounty | I think you could lower some settings in the live stream app JManV |
| 14:15.43 | ProzaicMuze | and you have to fill it with beans |
| 14:15.46 | Bounty | to make it run better |
| 14:15.56 | ProzaicMuze | 2 people will fill it faster and more efficiently than 6 people trying to dump beans in at the same time |
| 14:16.00 | JManV | they're pretty low |
| 14:16.06 | ProzaicMuze | You actually have too many cores and they can't efficiently work toegether on a single task |
| 14:16.10 | JManV | that's just a 640x360 stream |
| 14:16.17 | Ashamed|Work | prozaic computers are smart though |
| 14:16.21 | Bounty | looked really good on my screen |
| 14:16.23 | Ashamed|Work | they know when they dont need to use certain cores |
| 14:16.24 | Bounty | even at full screen |
| 14:16.25 | ProzaicMuze | however, multi-core processors can run more programs at once with less strain |
| 14:16.27 | Bounty | i could make everything out |
| 14:16.36 | Bounty | which is bad =P |
| 14:16.47 | JManV | i'll switch providers this week |
| 14:16.48 | ProzaicMuze | So a multi-core is usually idea for dual/tri/quad screening where you expect to have a lot of things going at once |
| 14:16.54 | ProzaicMuze | being smart has nothing to do with it Ashamed |
| 14:16.55 | JManV | there's no down side |
| 14:16.58 | ProzaicMuze | multi-tasking is impossible |
| 14:17.13 | Ashamed|Work | yeah jman that looks good |
| 14:17.14 | ProzaicMuze | A computer can only do one task at a time, it just appears that it's doing them simultaneously because it is swtitching back and forth very, very quickly |
| 14:17.18 | Ashamed|Work | because 15 is still amazing |
| 14:17.23 | Ashamed|Work | and you get the better upload |
| 14:17.24 | JManV | yeah, i run a /lot/ of things at once |
| 14:17.29 | ProzaicMuze | @A1win - if they're all the same, it depends on the setup |
| 14:17.38 | JManV | but i also made sure to get a good core speed |
| 14:17.41 | Bounty | ProzaicMuze, You remind me of JademusSreg |
| 14:17.45 | JManV | it's like a 3.2 GHz 6-core |
| 14:17.48 | JManV | it's beastly |
| 14:17.48 | Bounty | Just go on and on and on about a topic |
| 14:17.50 | Bounty | =P |
| 14:17.57 | Bounty | Jadmues is much worse though |
| 14:18.04 | Ashamed|Work | yeah i am still going to buy amd :) over intel |
| 14:18.08 | Bounty | he keeps going even if nobody knows wtf hes saying |
| 14:18.17 | ProzaicMuze | Since most programs aren't setup for 4-6 cores, having 2 3ghz cores is only slightly less effective than 4 3ghz cores because the program simply can't use them |
| 14:18.18 | JManV | and i went from a 3.3 GHz dual core, and galaxy editor is *much* faster |
| 14:18.24 | ProzaicMuze | lol |
| 14:18.27 | JManV | especially the library editor |
| 14:18.30 | ProzaicMuze | Bounty, i think what you mean is YOU don't know what's going on |
| 14:18.33 | Ashamed|Work | right now prozaic |
| 14:18.34 | ProzaicMuze | since I'm speaking to multiple people at once |
| 14:18.39 | Ashamed|Work | in 2-4 years who to say they wont |
| 14:18.50 | Bounty | im not even in that conversation anymore |
| 14:18.52 | Ashamed|Work | they just came out |
| 14:18.52 | JManV | i still have HD bottlebecks at points tho, like the actor screen in data |
| 14:18.55 | Bounty | ive jumped topics |
| 14:19.09 | ProzaicMuze | Ashamed, right now that is unlikely, simply because of the strengths of each |
| 14:19.11 | Bounty | I am almost positive my HD is a bottleneck lol |
| 14:19.14 | Bounty | Uk now how i know? |
| 14:19.17 | ProzaicMuze | For graphic/video intensive work |
| 14:19.19 | JManV | but i definitely noticed the improvement immediately when i upgraded |
| 14:19.19 | Bounty | i dont even remember when i get my HD |
| 14:19.21 | ProzaicMuze | more cores is bad |
| 14:19.22 | Bounty | thats how i know |
| 14:19.29 | JManV | not in SC2, obv, but in other things |
| 14:19.35 | ProzaicMuze | So there will be a demand for 1-2 core processors that are very fast |
| 14:20.00 | Bounty | oh |
| 14:20.01 | Bounty | Ashamed |
| 14:20.04 | Bounty | i forgot to tell u |
| 14:20.04 | ProzaicMuze | while the multi-core business will probably always be slightly less effective for that area, but great for multi-program setups |
| 14:20.08 | Bounty | the Hot Potato map is playable |
| 14:20.14 | Bounty | 12 player support |
| 14:20.15 | JManV | proz: compilers have understood multi-processor technology for ages, and are optimized to utilize them |
| 14:20.15 | Bounty | lol |
| 14:20.29 | ProzaicMuze | Has nothing to do with understanding them |
| 14:20.39 | ProzaicMuze | since 2 cores is a multi-processor |
| 14:20.41 | JManV | i remember having to directly program from the U/V pipes of the pentiums |
| 14:20.55 | ProzaicMuze | It has to do with being able to utilize them as effectively as they could a faster chip with fewer cores |
| 14:21.09 | JManV | having consecutive ops not operating on the same memory points |
| 14:21.44 | JManV | program /can/ be optimized in such a way, and they've been doing it for years |
| 14:22.30 | Ashamed|Work | new egg having good deal on ram right now |
| 14:22.34 | Ashamed|Work | 85 for 8 gbs |
| 14:22.44 | JManV | also, since we've largely bottlenecked on individual core speeds, that's what we get |
| 14:22.52 | JManV | 85 for 8G? |
| 14:22.59 | Ashamed|Work | G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL8D-8GBXM |
| 14:23.02 | Ashamed|Work | yeah |
| 14:23.07 | Ashamed|Work | free shipping as well |
| 14:23.12 | JManV | wow |
| 14:23.19 | Ashamed|Work | its a great deal |
| 14:23.20 | Ashamed|Work | lol |
| 14:23.22 | JManV | it is |
| 14:23.22 | Ashamed|Work | upgrade now folks |
| 14:23.27 | ProzaicMuze | erm |
| 14:23.29 | JManV | i don't think i need it tho |
| 14:23.30 | Ashamed|Work | i would have 12 gbs :) |
| 14:23.31 | Bounty | i dont think my MB does DDR3 |
| 14:23.32 | Bounty | lol |
| 14:23.33 | ProzaicMuze | I got my 8gb for $40 lol |
| 14:23.34 | JManV | i'll survive with 12 |
| 14:23.35 | ProzaicMuze | that's not that great of a deal |
| 14:23.45 | Ashamed|Work | wow prozaic |
| 14:23.50 | Ashamed|Work | where did you get that ? |
| 14:23.52 | JManV | actually, he's right |
| 14:23.56 | ProzaicMuze | eBay |
| 14:23.57 | Ashamed|Work | i payed like 50 for my 4gb |
| 14:23.58 | ProzaicMuze | Amazon |
| 14:24.19 | JManV | i bought 8G for around $80 some months ago |
| 14:24.22 | Bounty | i still prefer newegg imo |
| 14:24.23 | Ashamed|Work | and they are 4gb sticks? |
| 14:24.27 | Bounty | even if its more money |
| 14:24.29 | ProzaicMuze | yeah |
| 14:24.37 | ProzaicMuze | NewEgg is utter trash |
| 14:24.43 | ProzaicMuze | I won't and can't buy from them ever again. |
| 14:24.47 | Bounty | lol |
| 14:25.02 | ProzaicMuze | Someone in my neighborhood apparently tried to scam them for something |
| 14:25.07 | Ashamed|Work | but that ram is really fast :) |
| 14:25.07 | JManV | yes |
| 14:25.08 | ProzaicMuze | as a result, they blacklisted my entire neighborhood |
| 14:25.08 | JManV | OCZ |
| 14:25.29 | ProzaicMuze | Thus I purchased something from them and after 2 weeks of no replies they finally said, "oh sorry, we dont' accept orders from you" |
| 14:25.30 | Bounty | That doesnt make sense |
| 14:25.39 | Ashamed|Work | lol prozaic |
| 14:25.42 | ProzaicMuze | I spent the next 2 weeks trying to get my money back and even then they wouldn't accept purchases from me |
| 14:25.45 | Ashamed|Work | yeah that seems stupid |
| 14:25.47 | ProzaicMuze | Because I was a potential risk |
| 14:25.48 | Bounty | Never heard of a company Blacklisting an entire neighborhood |
| 14:25.49 | ProzaicMuze | and it is stupid |
| 14:25.52 | ProzaicMuze | I haven't either |
| 14:26.04 | ProzaicMuze | But my address was banned from being used to buy stuff from their site |
| 14:26.15 | ProzaicMuze | so either I take my business elsewhere or have my crap delivered to a friend a few miles away lol |
| 14:26.16 | Ashamed|Work | Prozaic something you are not telling us |
| 14:26.19 | ProzaicMuze | utter nonsense |
| 14:26.20 | Ashamed|Work | is that it was you scamming them |
| 14:26.23 | ProzaicMuze | ROFL |
| 14:26.29 | ProzaicMuze | Now that would make a great story |
| 14:26.31 | ProzaicMuze | but alas, i was not |
| 14:26.49 | JManV | i deliver all my stuff to work |
| 14:26.52 | Ashamed|Work | i wonder how you scam new egg |
| 14:26.56 | ProzaicMuze | I do too |
| 14:26.57 | JManV | since there's no one at home to sign for it anyways |
| 14:27.10 | ProzaicMuze | Maybe they have it COD and then deliver it across the street? |
| 14:27.18 | ProzaicMuze | then steal it when it is delivered so that the other person has to pay? |
| 14:27.29 | Ashamed|Work | i kinds scammed walmart the other day |
| 14:27.29 | ProzaicMuze | But I dont' think COD is even standard use anymore rofl |
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| 14:27.41 | ProzaicMuze | walmart deserves to be scammed |
| 14:27.52 | Ashamed|Work | i bought this diapers on amazon and i get these deals with them and they give 30% off on diapers |
| 14:28.07 | Ashamed|Work | and i bougt some diapers and i returned them to walmart |
| 14:28.11 | Ashamed|Work | i spent 20 dollars on them |
| 14:28.15 | Ashamed|Work | and they have me 35 bucks a pop |
| 14:28.15 | JManV | hmmm. i don't see my RAM on my order history anywhere. i know i bought it |
| 14:28.24 | Ashamed|Work | gave* |
| 14:28.29 | Ashamed|Work | i had 30 of them :) |
| 14:28.31 | Ashamed|Work | 3* |
| 14:28.34 | Ashamed|Work | not 30 |
| 14:28.34 | Ashamed|Work | lol |
| 14:28.52 | JManV | so you spent how much time and made $45? |
| 14:29.13 | Ashamed|Work | i didnt spend any time |
| 14:29.18 | Ashamed|Work | i had to go there for shit |
| 14:29.25 | JManV | alright |
| 14:29.31 | Ashamed|Work | it wasn't like a master plan |
| 14:29.35 | Ashamed|Work | i had to return the diaper |
| 14:29.37 | Ashamed|Work | diapers |
| 14:29.43 | JManV | i'm generally too lazy to return things under $20 because it's not worth my time :) |
| 14:29.46 | Ashamed|Work | and i didnt want to go through the hassle of shipping them out to amazon |
| 14:29.51 | Ashamed|Work | they were 35 dollars |
| 14:29.52 | Ashamed|Work | each |
| 14:30.00 | Ashamed|Work | and i exchanged them out for other diapers |
| 14:30.00 | JManV | fair nuf |
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| 14:30.08 | Ashamed|Work | and ended up with a 30 dollar gift card at the end still |
| 14:30.23 | Ashamed|Work | oh and formula |
| 14:30.23 | JManV | i guess that's worth it |
| 14:30.30 | JManV | i'm also too lazy to return bottles |
| 14:30.44 | JManV | i just give them to someone else |
| 14:31.05 | JManV | "here, have a free $10 if you go to the effort of returning these" |
| 14:31.18 | JManV | we're one of those weird states with bottle deposits |
| 14:31.20 | Bounty | I wonder how much of an increase im going to get with the 6950 |
| 14:31.31 | JManV | i want a new GFX card |
| 14:31.37 | JManV | but i think it's low priority |
| 14:31.43 | Bounty | buy my two 4870's :) |
| 14:31.43 | JManV | i need a new case for my main tower first |
| 14:31.47 | JManV | and some UPSs |
| 14:32.00 | Bounty | only reason im upgrading is bc my 4870's are both 512's |
| 14:32.05 | Bounty | and crossfire doesnt add the two together |
| 14:32.22 | Bounty | and since i play on a 32".... 512 isnt enough lol |
| 14:32.30 | JManV | i just have a single 512 |
| 14:32.39 | JManV | it shouldn't matter |
| 14:32.44 | JManV | do you go about 1080p? |
| 14:32.47 | JManV | above |
| 14:32.48 | Bounty | yeah |
| 14:32.49 | ProzaicMuze | I have 15 1gb |
| 14:32.50 | ProzaicMuze | <.< |
| 14:32.50 | ProzaicMuze | >.> |
| 14:32.52 | Bounty | 1920x1080 |
| 14:32.56 | Bounty | its a TV |
| 14:33.00 | JManV | that's 1080p |
| 14:33.04 | Bounty | yeah i know |
| 14:33.05 | Bounty | lol |
| 14:33.14 | JManV | anyways, resolution isn't really a factor in video ram these days |
| 14:33.19 | Bounty | yeah it is |
| 14:33.25 | JManV | all the excess is used for textures |
| 14:33.26 | Bounty | i cant even run sc2 ultra textures |
| 14:33.30 | Bounty | exactly |
| 14:33.38 | Bounty | 512 is to low for my resolution |
| 14:33.42 | Bounty | for textures |
| 14:33.59 | JManV | 1920x1080x4 = 8M |
| 14:34.07 | Bounty | plus, two 4870's sound like a fucking jet engine |
| 14:34.15 | JManV | ok, yeah with ultra textures |
| 14:34.17 | Bounty | cant wait to see how much more quiet this card is |
| 14:34.33 | JManV | i really should get a new case. mine is just falling apart |
| 14:34.50 | Ashamed|Work | full tower |
| 14:34.51 | Ashamed|Work | or mid |
| 14:34.52 | Ashamed|Work | ? |
| 14:34.54 | Bounty | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150530&Tpk=XFX%20HD-695X-CNFC%20Radeon%20HD%206950%202GB%20256-bit%20GDDR5 |
| 14:34.58 | JManV | it's a mid |
| 14:34.59 | Bounty | thats the card i bought |
| 14:35.01 | Bounty | JMan |
| 14:35.04 | Ashamed|Work | because i have been seeing alot of good mid towers latly |
| 14:35.07 | Bounty | i have an Antec 900 lol |
| 14:35.11 | Bounty | i really need to get a new one |
| 14:35.16 | Bounty | so small imo |
| 14:35.26 | Bounty | and |
| 14:35.29 | JManV | i've been looking at the 900 |
| 14:35.32 | Bounty | nobody has a worse power supply then me |
| 14:35.35 | JManV | i have a 1200 for my server |
| 14:35.39 | JManV | and it's HUGE |
| 14:35.45 | Bounty | i am awaiting my power supplies explosive departure |
| 14:35.52 | JManV | you don't like the 900? |
| 14:35.54 | Bounty | its a Rocketfish lolol |
| 14:36.16 | JManV | oh man, i bought a corsair PSU earlier this year... that thing is awesome |
| 14:36.25 | JManV | get a corsair man |
| 14:36.25 | Zoxc | which one? |
| 14:36.27 | Bounty | yeah i really need a new PSU |
| 14:36.32 | Bounty | do u even know what Rocketfish is? |
| 14:36.32 | Zoxc | get seasonic! :D |
| 14:36.33 | JManV | it was a 750W |
| 14:36.40 | Bounty | incase you didnt know |
| 14:36.44 | Zoxc | so seasonic made |
| 14:36.45 | Bounty | Rocketfish is BEST BUYS brand |
| 14:36.48 | Bounty | lol |
| 14:36.53 | JManV | oh |
| 14:36.53 | Bounty | thats why im just waiting |
| 14:36.55 | JManV | yeah |
| 14:36.57 | Bounty | for it to blow |
| 14:37.00 | Bounty | but the thing is |
| 14:37.03 | JManV | you could have at least gotten an antec |
| 14:37.06 | Bounty | its been powering two 4870's for like 2 years |
| 14:37.14 | JManV | but corsair's are where it's at |
| 14:37.25 | Bounty | i just wont be surprised if i put this new 6950 in there today |
| 14:37.32 | Bounty | and it blows up and takes the card with it |
| 14:37.41 | JManV | mine has 12 SATA connectors... juicy stuff :P |
| 14:38.03 | Bounty | i need a power supply that has detachable connectors |
| 14:38.07 | Bounty | i forget what they are called |
| 14:38.29 | Bounty | begins with a C |
| 14:38.42 | JManV | modular |
| 14:38.50 | Bounty | begins with an M* |
| 14:39.02 | Bounty | yeah i want one of those |
| 14:39.02 | JManV | i don't even know why they make non-modular PSUs anymore |
| 14:39.05 | JManV | i guess it's cheaper |
| 14:39.09 | Bounty | its annoying |
| 14:39.15 | JManV | yeah, non-modular sucks |
| 14:39.18 | Bounty | i have a see through side panel |
| 14:39.25 | Bounty | i should seriously consider tinting it |
| 14:39.27 | JManV | my main tower still has a non-modular |
| 14:39.27 | Bounty | it looks so bad |
| 14:39.34 | JManV | but my other two cases have modular |
| 14:39.36 | Bounty | wires everywehere lol |
| 14:39.46 | Bounty | is it alot better with modular? |
| 14:39.48 | Bounty | mangement wise |
| 14:39.52 | Bounty | like u plug in what u need and thats it |
| 14:40.09 | JManV | so what don't you like about the antec 900 case? |
| 14:40.14 | JManV | too small for GFX card? |
| 14:40.22 | Bounty | feels really itght |
| 14:40.24 | Bounty | tight* |
| 14:40.32 | Bounty | but i think thats mostly bc of my PSU |
| 14:40.43 | Bounty | i cannot stress enough the amount of wires all over the place |
| 14:40.48 | JManV | is it a solid-built case? |
| 14:40.52 | Bounty | yeah |
| 14:40.57 | JManV | ok |
| 14:41.00 | JManV | i might get it anyways |
| 14:41.08 | Bounty | get the newer model |
| 14:41.09 | JManV | i bought a 1200 earlier this year for my server |
| 14:41.14 | JManV | i *love* it |
| 14:41.14 | Bounty | its supposed to be an improved version |
| 14:41.24 | JManV | but it's too big from my bedroom PC |
| 14:41.38 | Bounty | JMan |
| 14:41.38 | Bounty | this one |
| 14:41.40 | Bounty | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129097&cm_re=antec_900-_-11-129-097-_-Product |
| 14:41.44 | Bounty | the Nine Hundred Two |
| 14:42.03 | JManV | oooo |
| 14:42.15 | Bounty | its supposed to be the 900 but better |
| 14:42.18 | Bounty | and its only 10 bucks more >< |
| 14:42.29 | JManV | that 1200 i have is built like a brick |
| 14:42.43 | JManV | this looks the same, only not as tall |
| 14:43.14 | Bounty | Does anyone else here have an Antec 900? |
| 14:43.22 | Bounty | bc i might have to remove some shit to fit the 6950 but idk how lol |
| 14:43.23 | JManV | my current case doesn't even have the front panel on it. it keeps falling off |
| 14:43.31 | Bounty | there are these black cover things covering the drive bays |
| 14:43.34 | Bounty | and they take alot of room |
| 14:43.43 | Bounty | i should be able to just take em off right? |
| 14:44.00 | Bounty | or do i need to bust out the hack saw |
| 14:44.11 | JManV | hope not |
| 14:44.19 | JManV | hate it when you have to do drastic stuff like that |
| 14:44.28 | Bounty | well they look like they would be removable |
| 14:44.35 | Bounty | just plastic guard things |
| 14:44.38 | Bounty | to hold the drive in |
| 14:44.54 | Bounty | if i have to do that JMan |
| 14:44.54 | JManV | i want to know who declared one day that 2 front panel USBs is enough, and no case need ever have more |
| 14:44.57 | Bounty | ill RMA the 6950 |
| 14:45.01 | Bounty | and stick with my 4870's lol |
| 14:45.07 | JManV | so i can kill him |
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| 14:45.20 | JManV | i need like 8 front panel USBs |
| 14:45.27 | JManV | why don't they make that case? |
| 14:45.37 | JManV | why don't they make any cases with like 4 USBs on front? |
| 14:45.43 | JManV | i don't really need 8 |
| 14:45.44 | Bounty | *shrug* |
| 14:45.47 | JManV | but i need more than 2 |
| 14:45.48 | Bounty | that would be pretty crazy though |
| 14:45.54 | Bounty | 8 Front USB's lol |
| 14:45.58 | JManV | i know you can get panels and what not |
| 14:46.07 | JManV | but WHO THE HELL decided 2 was it |
| 14:46.16 | JManV | and that's all we need, ever, out of any case |
| 14:46.27 | Bounty | lol WTF |
| 14:46.28 | Bounty | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129092 |
| 14:46.32 | Bounty | this thing looks like a transformer |
| 14:46.37 | ProzaicMuze | Mine has 4 frontside and 4 back |
| 14:46.45 | ProzaicMuze | but I can only have 6 of them plugged in at a time |
| 14:47.14 | JManV | heh |
| 14:47.19 | Bounty | get that case JMan |
| 14:47.22 | Bounty | u see that video? |
| 14:47.23 | Bounty | lol |
| 14:47.32 | Bounty | its a f*cking autobot |
| 14:47.39 | JManV | i don't want to spend that much on a case |
| 14:48.10 | ProzaicMuze | it onyl has 2 on the front though lmao |
| 14:48.13 | JManV | it comes with screw storage? |
| 14:48.38 | JManV | air mounted hard drives are cool |
| 14:48.59 | JManV | plenty of GFX card room |
| 14:49.00 | Bounty | i just like how u can morph it into anything lol |
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| 14:49.21 | JManV | its kinda ugly tho |
| 14:49.25 | Bounty | yeah |
| 14:49.28 | Bounty | it looks like |
| 14:49.33 | JManV | blue fans with yellow accents? |
| 14:49.45 | ProzaicMuze | lol |
| 14:49.45 | Bounty | If Bumblebee from the Transformers movie transformed into a computer case instead of a car |
| 14:49.48 | JManV | i don't really care for the yellow at all |
| 14:49.50 | Bounty | Thats what it would look like |
| 14:50.31 | JManV | heh |
| 14:50.40 | Bounty | alright JMan |
| 14:50.42 | Bounty | i found the case for you |
| 14:50.46 | JManV | i think the 902 is adequete |
| 14:50.52 | Bounty | its ALITTLE pricey but i think you can manage |
| 14:50.53 | Bounty | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811133089 |
| 14:51.50 | JManV | my current case is a thermaltake... and it's falling apart |
| 14:52.12 | JManV | also... why does it cost that much? |
| 14:52.18 | Bounty | no idea |
| 14:52.19 | JManV | does it also suck my dick? |
| 14:52.24 | Bounty | i think so |
| 14:52.30 | JManV | cuz it still wouldn't be worth it |
| 14:52.31 | Bounty | if it doesnt |
| 14:52.38 | Bounty | then u cna just use the water cooling slots |
| 14:52.42 | Bounty | =P |
| 14:52.46 | JManV | looks like it wouldn't have enough room for anything, either |
| 14:53.09 | JManV | its just air cooled |
| 14:53.10 | Bounty | It looks more like a building design then a computer case |
| 14:53.18 | JManV | its not even water cooled for that price |
| 14:53.27 | JManV | from that price, it should have a refridgeration unit |
| 14:53.40 | Bounty | No |
| 14:53.48 | Bounty | I think you should stick with "It should suck my dick" |
| 14:54.11 | Bounty | Im surprised nobody has made that computer case yet |
| 14:54.21 | JManV | i don't think that would be enough |
| 14:54.24 | Bounty | Just figured out a way to mount a fleshlight |
| 14:54.29 | Bounty | and boom |
| 14:54.30 | JManV | heh |
| 14:54.34 | Bounty | You may bang your computer |
| 14:54.34 | ProzaicMuze | *facepalm* |
| 14:54.36 | ProzaicMuze | or get a GF |
| 14:54.49 | JManV | man, now i really want a blow job |
| 14:54.54 | Bounty | lol |
| 14:55.04 | JManV | it's like when you talk about a certain type of food... :P |
| 14:55.07 | Bounty | Last time i got one of those was when the wife was pregnant... never again |
| 14:55.13 | JManV | i could really go for a BJ right now |
| 14:55.25 | JManV | bummer bounty |
| 14:55.33 | JManV | i still have hope |
| 14:55.48 | Bounty | lol well they dont do it unless they HAVE to |
| 14:55.54 | Bounty | or if u just met |
| 14:55.57 | Bounty | >< |
| 14:56.04 | JManV | well they do if they want reciprocation |
| 14:56.14 | JManV | fair is fair |
| 14:56.17 | Bounty | lol |
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| 15:11.44 | JademusSreg | Hahahaha. |
| 15:12.42 | JManV | what do you think you're laughing at, bub? |
| 15:12.49 | Zoxc | Ahahahah. |
| 15:12.59 | JademusSreg | I wake up, and what do I find in irc, but a Bountiful gift of chatter about blowjobs, as though left by a mirthful Santa Claus played by Kevin Smith. |
| 15:13.00 | JManV | dammit. stop that! |
| 15:13.13 | JManV | heh |
| 15:13.28 | JManV | yeah, we were looking at this $800+ case |
| 15:13.37 | JManV | and i was wondering if it gave blowjobs or something |
| 15:14.35 | JademusSreg | My case is covered in fans, at just the right angle, maybe... |
| 15:14.42 | JManV | but i'm still not sure it would be worth $800 |
| 15:14.50 | JManV | yeah, ouch? |
| 15:15.16 | JManV | oh, hey bounty, they make that transformer case in blue |
| 15:15.29 | Bounty | lol |
| 15:15.30 | Bounty | sweet |
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| 15:16.17 | JManV | when i went to sc2mapster, there was an ad for it at the top of my screen |
| 15:16.20 | JManV | stupid cookies |
| 15:16.35 | JManV | tempting me with things i wanted to buy anyways |
| 15:16.44 | JManV | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129093&nm_mc=Criteo&cm_mmc=BAC-Criteo-_-Cases+(Computer+Cases+-+ATX+Form)-_-Antec-_-11129093 |
| 15:16.47 | JManV | it's still kind of ugly |
| 15:17.26 | JManV | but cool-looking at the same time |
| 15:17.56 | JManV | anyways, the point is: blowjobs are awesome |
| 15:19.11 | JademusSreg | censors himself. |
| 15:19.23 | JManV | that's no fun |
| 15:21.33 | JManV | whitebomber apparently doesn't like BJs. with a name like that, you'd think he would :) |
| 15:22.06 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 15:22.29 | Bounty | Jademus |
| 15:22.32 | JademusSreg | Let's just say I've never been in the habit of using condoms. |
| 15:22.36 | Bounty | i fixed my epic physics |
| 15:22.36 | Bounty | =P |
| 15:22.42 | JademusSreg | Cool. |
| 15:22.55 | JademusSreg | I've got some time today to test, after my morning ritual. |
| 15:22.56 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 15:22.58 | Ashamed|Work | oh you got it fixed |
| 15:23.03 | Ashamed|Work | no jade dont |
| 15:23.05 | Ashamed|Work | DONT TEST |
| 15:23.08 | Ashamed|Work | its a trap |
| 15:23.41 | JManV | thanks admiral |
| 15:26.04 | Bounty | Yeah, its def rdy for testing |
| 15:26.07 | Bounty | prolly rdy for video |
| 15:26.20 | JManV | epic phsyics? |
| 15:26.26 | Bounty | mmhmm |
| 15:26.39 | Bounty | the ball actually bounces correctly now lol |
| 15:27.13 | JManV | yeah, i had to see a doctor when mine didn't |
| 15:27.31 | JManV | man, i'm just full of it today, aren't i? |
| 15:28.36 | JManV | debating whether i should just buy this case right now |
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| 15:31.32 | JManV | i'm too impulsie sometimes. i'll wait. |
| 15:31.36 | JManV | impulsive even |
| 15:32.33 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 15:33.56 | JManV | welcome to the occupation |
| 15:37.27 | Ashamed|Work | let me see it |
| 15:37.56 | JManV | see what? |
| 15:38.03 | JManV | bounty's ball bouncing? |
| 15:38.09 | Bounty | hot potato |
| 15:38.11 | Bounty | lol |
| 15:38.11 | JademusSreg | So yesterday I began work on a lightbike style game that uses camera rotation for steering. |
| 15:38.19 | JManV | heh |
| 15:38.28 | JManV | you and lightbikes :P |
| 15:38.44 | JManV | that snake game was a lot of fun, tho |
| 15:38.52 | JademusSreg | The worst part about lightbikes like in Troncraft is the absurd amount of clicking. |
| 15:39.00 | JademusSreg | So I'm cutting out that part. |
| 15:39.03 | Bounty | the map im working on will be the next be thing in hot poato games |
| 15:39.05 | Bounty | potato* |
| 15:39.07 | JademusSreg | I may add jumping at some point. |
| 15:39.32 | JManV | there's a previous thing in hot potato games? |
| 15:39.37 | JademusSreg | This is a mini side project to my catnmouse style map, which, yes, I am still doing. |
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| 15:40.32 | Bounty | idk, is there JMan? |
| 15:41.04 | JManV | so what you're saying, jade, is you have the focus of bounty? :P |
| 15:41.13 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
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| 15:41.24 | JManV | ooo... double jab :) |
| 15:41.26 | JademusSreg | I made a working prototype in one day. |
| 15:41.33 | JademusSreg | Today I make it playable. |
| 15:41.48 | JManV | yeah, i imagine a lightbike game isn't really that hard |
| 15:41.58 | JademusSreg | Nope, not really. |
| 15:42.04 | JademusSreg | It's simple. |
| 15:42.22 | Ashamed|Work | :) |
| 15:42.25 | JademusSreg | Besides a few quirks I had to work out, it's been a smooth development. |
| 15:42.42 | Ashamed|Work | has it JADE/ |
| 15:42.45 | Ashamed|Work | Jade? |
| 15:42.46 | JManV | i need to get back to working on my game |
| 15:42.54 | JademusSreg | I handle barrier generation and crashing via data. |
| 15:42.55 | JManV | i haven't done a thing since this weekend |
| 15:42.59 | JManV | too much personal shit going on |
| 15:43.06 | JademusSreg | Getting the crashing just right was a superb pain in the ass. |
| 15:43.15 | Ashamed|Work | but you got it? |
| 15:43.17 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 15:43.34 | JademusSreg | I was forced to resort to using triggers to set barrier facing, which irks me. |
| 15:44.12 | JademusSreg | Data doesn't appear to support setting the facing for a created unit to the source unit. |
| 15:46.41 | Ka[L]ekin | Mmmmm? |
| 15:47.39 | Ka[L]ekin | Barrier creation? |
| 15:48.05 | JManV | lightbikes |
| 15:48.14 | JManV | they poop barriers |
| 15:48.21 | Ka[L]ekin | Ye, I see he is doing something with tron |
| 15:48.22 | Ka[L]ekin | Ah-hah |
| 15:48.32 | Ka[L]ekin | Must be a way.... |
| 15:48.41 | JademusSreg | Are you fimiliar with lightbikes or any variation on it? Troncraft, for instance, where your probes plod along crapping rectangles that probes may crash into. |
| 15:48.45 | JManV | that's what i thought too |
| 15:48.47 | Ashamed|Work | jade |
| 15:48.49 | Ashamed|Work | triggers are better |
| 15:48.53 | Ka[L]ekin | no |
| 15:48.54 | JManV | lies! |
| 15:48.55 | Ashamed|Work | YES |
| 15:48.55 | Ka[L]ekin | triggers are inferior |
| 15:49.06 | JManV | triggers are more flexible, not better |
| 15:49.09 | Ka[L]ekin | Data editor should be used where it is possible |
| 15:49.10 | Ashamed|Work | whos making that rp |
| 15:49.12 | Ashamed|Work | with al ltriggers |
| 15:49.18 | Ashamed|Work | i can show you what oyu can do with triggers |
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| 15:49.29 | JademusSreg | would like to be charitable and make a donation, but cannot find the shit to give. |
| 15:49.31 | JManV | certain things shouldn't be done in triggers |
| 15:49.36 | Ashamed|Work | is it motive making it ? |
| 15:49.41 | JManV | especially if they happen really, really often |
| 15:50.02 | JManV | is that a long way of saying you don't give a shit? :P |
| 15:50.07 | Ka[L]ekin | There are some things that just can't be done in triggers |
| 15:50.08 | Ka[L]ekin | :p |
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| 15:50.31 | Ka[L]ekin | Damn well I am going to head home in a minute |
| 15:50.45 | JManV | generally, abilities, attacks, and anything that happens really often should be done in data whenever possible |
| 15:50.56 | JademusSreg | Yes, Jman. That's how I feel about most intractable arguments. |
| 15:51.20 | Ashamed|Work | it can be done |
| 15:51.21 | Ashamed|Work | JADE |
| 15:51.24 | Ashamed|Work | you know the project |
| 15:51.26 | Ashamed|Work | whos makign that RP |
| 15:51.29 | Ashamed|Work | and what is it caleld |
| 15:51.32 | JademusSreg | Motive. |
| 15:51.34 | JademusSreg | Cortex. |
| 15:51.39 | Ashamed|Work | you tube cortex |
| 15:51.40 | Ka[L]ekin | Jades |
| 15:51.43 | JManV | that's quite different |
| 15:51.43 | Ashamed|Work | he does everything in triggers |
| 15:51.46 | Ashamed|Work | that the data editor does |
| 15:51.51 | JManV | he has a reason to not use data |
| 15:51.51 | Ka[L]ekin | My first two guesses, without getting overly complicated |
| 15:51.55 | Ashamed|Work | i know :) |
| 15:52.08 | Ka[L]ekin | I am goint to assume you fiddled with the target paramaters in the unit creation effect |
| 15:52.12 | Ka[L]ekin | which would be my first go to point |
| 15:52.40 | Ka[L]ekin | That would be the best way of effecting the facing direction of the unit created by the effect |
| 15:52.43 | Ashamed|Work | i wish the data editor was closer to the way war3 was set up |
| 15:52.44 | Ka[L]ekin | You are creating it with an effect? |
| 15:52.51 | Ka[L]ekin | Or are you creating it differently? |
| 15:52.52 | Ashamed|Work | it seemed more user friendly |
| 15:53.07 | Ka[L]ekin | With flexability comes complexity unfortunately ;( |
| 15:53.15 | JademusSreg | I don't need assistance, but thank you for your consideration. |
| 15:53.15 | SinfulPain | Is there a site operation that simply changes angle? |
| 15:53.16 | JManV | well, clear, concise documentation would go a long way |
| 15:53.39 | JManV | with the data editor that is |
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| 15:53.49 | Ka[L]ekin | Well, you seemed unhappy with your current solution |
| 15:53.54 | ProzaicMuze | angle of what? |
| 15:53.59 | JManV | not documenting your projects is a cardinal sin in programming, i feel |
| 15:54.07 | Ka[L]ekin | And without a doubt, you can set the angle of a created unit without intercepting it with tirggers |
| 15:54.16 | Ka[L]ekin | *shrug* |
| 15:54.25 | ProzaicMuze | And ashamed, no you don't |
| 15:54.31 | ProzaicMuze | WC3's Data Editor was bad |
| 15:54.33 | SinfulPain | Actor angle, like what can be done with facing in buildings, angle in terrain editor |
| 15:54.39 | ProzaicMuze | this one, while complex, is 100 times better |
| 15:54.42 | JademusSreg | I am not pleased with the solution, because there doesn't appear to be a way to set a Create Unit effect spawned unit's facing to the source unit via data. |
| 15:54.55 | ProzaicMuze | Yes there is |
| 15:54.57 | ProzaicMuze | Actor Events |
| 15:55.23 | JManV | that makes sense |
| 15:55.24 | JademusSreg | Demonstrate, please. |
| 15:55.28 | SinfulPain | sonofa |
| 15:55.39 | Ka[L]ekin | As I said |
| 15:55.42 | JManV | proz is definitely the resident data guru |
| 15:55.43 | Ka[L]ekin | or as I was going to say |
| 15:55.43 | ProzaicMuze | I'd have to open my data editor and poke around |
| 15:55.46 | Ka[L]ekin | before you refused the help :p |
| 15:56.02 | ProzaicMuze | But you can definitely set facing via Actor Events |
| 15:56.06 | ProzaicMuze | and especially when a unit is created |
| 15:56.12 | Ka[L]ekin | Actor events would be my last resort |
| 15:56.13 | JademusSreg | Sure. |
| 15:56.17 | Ka[L]ekin | First I would use the targe parameters |
| 15:56.28 | Ka[L]ekin | If that failed, use an effect that acts upon each created unit |
| 15:56.28 | ProzaicMuze | Since I haven't looked at the editor in quite a while, I'm winging it, but I'd assume it'd go something like: |
| 15:56.31 | JManV | relative to the object that created it? |
| 15:56.34 | JademusSreg | I don't mind that. The catch is setting it to face the unit that created it. |
| 15:56.34 | Ka[L]ekin | if that failed, you can use actor events |
| 15:56.49 | ProzaicMuze | Unit Birth > Set Facing |
| 15:57.05 | SinfulPain | wow, awesone |
| 15:57.18 | SinfulPain | I can't believe I didn't think of that, thanks |
| 15:57.22 | ProzaicMuze | I don't know if the action is actually called Set Facing |
| 15:57.28 | ProzaicMuze | but it has facing in it, or bearing or something to that effect |
| 15:57.34 | ProzaicMuze | there are a lot of facing related options |
| 15:57.48 | ProzaicMuze | And as far as facing the unit that created it, you can set the creator to a host |
| 15:57.54 | ProzaicMuze | or even use ::creator in the target |
| 15:58.02 | ProzaicMuze | so that the actor will fact that scope |
| 15:58.14 | ProzaicMuze | Similar to how mouse follow works with abilities that are set to ::global or whatever it's called |
| 15:58.24 | SinfulPain | I'm trying to set the facing to a world facing, not relative to host |
| 15:58.31 | SinfulPain | and I found 'set facing' |
| 15:58.41 | SinfulPain | but it doesn't actually seem to do anything |
| 15:58.41 | ProzaicMuze | Good deal :) |
| 15:58.50 | ProzaicMuze | What values are you setting? |
| 15:58.54 | ProzaicMuze | And did you do Unit Birth? |
| 15:58.57 | SinfulPain | yup |
| 15:59.06 | JademusSreg | I look forward to a demonstration. |
| 15:59.10 | ProzaicMuze | mmk, you might have to do Unit Creation or whatever |
| 15:59.14 | ProzaicMuze | There are several settings |
| 15:59.18 | SinfulPain | UnitBirth > Set Facing 45 |
| 15:59.36 | ProzaicMuze | I'd have to fiddle with it for a bit to figure out the exact settings with confidence, but it is certainly possible |
| 15:59.51 | ProzaicMuze | Add a UnitCretae > Set Facing as well |
| 15:59.57 | ProzaicMuze | Create* |
| 16:00.13 | ProzaicMuze | And Jade, when I have the time, if I remember and it hasn't already been done, I can do so. |
| 16:00.27 | JademusSreg | Cool. |
| 16:00.29 | JademusSreg | No rush. |
| 16:00.38 | JademusSreg | My current solution works, though it does not please. |
| 16:00.39 | ProzaicMuze | In fact, I think there is an ability I recall for reference |
| 16:00.41 | Bounty | woot |
| 16:00.46 | Bounty | physics finally work 100% |
| 16:00.51 | Bounty | corners were giving me issues lol |
| 16:00.53 | ProzaicMuze | Someone made an ability where a zealot spins in a 360 like whirlwind |
| 16:01.09 | ProzaicMuze | I "believe" he did it without triggers, so if you can find that thread, he has a test map in it |
| 16:01.17 | Kueken | I did not manage to set facing via actor messages |
| 16:01.26 | JademusSreg | The fewer threads I start for no good goddamn reason, the happier I'll be. |
| 16:01.26 | Kueken | but ordering a move command works nicely |
| 16:01.30 | Bounty | Hey Jade |
| 16:01.33 | Kueken | it has a command index for turn |
| 16:01.37 | Bounty | wanna do a quick test/feedback run? |
| 16:01.59 | JademusSreg | Sure, Bounty. |
| 16:02.12 | Ashamed|Work | i hate it when servers dont work good |
| 16:02.45 | ProzaicMuze | Oh hey, isn't there an ActorCreation one too? |
| 16:02.48 | ProzaicMuze | you could try that as well |
| 16:03.00 | ProzaicMuze | So that your events (ignoring everything else) would be: |
| 16:03.06 | ProzaicMuze | UnitBirth > Create |
| 16:03.06 | Bounty | u want in Ashamed? |
| 16:03.09 | ProzaicMuze | ActorCreation > Set Facing |
| 16:03.19 | SinfulPain | I now have all 3 |
| 16:03.36 | SinfulPain | actor creation, unit birth, unit creation > set facing |
| 16:03.52 | ProzaicMuze | mmk |
| 16:04.00 | ProzaicMuze | already tested? or about to |
| 16:04.01 | ProzaicMuze | ? |
| 16:04.05 | SinfulPain | testing |
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| 16:05.47 | SinfulPain | still standing there at original rotation |
| 16:06.32 | ProzaicMuze | hrm |
| 16:06.59 | ProzaicMuze | Try Set Bearings |
| 16:07.20 | ProzaicMuze | Might mess with it's axis though, but it's another option |
| 16:07.53 | Kueken | if you find something, would you mind highlighting me or post it at the forums? |
| 16:08.10 | Kueken | I am quite interested and was not able to find anything by myself yet |
| 16:08.50 | SinfulPain | sure, and still nada |
| 16:08.52 | Bounty | i did notice the delay went up jademus |
| 16:08.57 | Bounty | bc i stopped using unit orders |
| 16:09.00 | Bounty | and went to move unit instantly |
| 16:09.03 | Bounty | seems to be worse lol |
| 16:09.06 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 16:09.07 | ProzaicMuze | I will likely forget it |
| 16:09.11 | ProzaicMuze | shoot me a PM on the site about it |
| 16:09.13 | Bounty | but i only did it bc of the facing |
| 16:09.21 | Bounty | so ur guy always 100% faces the mouse |
| 16:09.23 | ProzaicMuze | Since I'll answer all my PMs in one swoop later this evening in a thread |
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| 16:09.42 | Kueken | okay |
| 16:10.00 | Bounty | what do u think jade |
| 16:10.10 | Bounty | should i use the old ultra responsive wasd? |
| 16:10.16 | Bounty | and ditch the mouse facing |
| 16:10.19 | Bounty | or just stick with it |
| 16:11.11 | JademusSreg | No idea. I dread to ever see your triggers. |
| 16:11.20 | Bounty | y? lol |
| 16:11.42 | Bounty | the gravity gun is mostly data |
| 16:11.47 | JademusSreg | The same reason I dread pulling up couch cushions. |
| 16:11.50 | JManV | *someone* can't read GUI triggers :P |
| 16:11.59 | Bounty | that makes no sense imo |
| 16:12.04 | Bounty | u can read the matrix but u cant read GUI |
| 16:12.12 | JademusSreg | "Why the hell is this in here?! This shouldn't be in here!" |
| 16:12.34 | Bounty | I wouldnt be surprised if the mouse move trigger is causing the lag |
| 16:13.03 | JademusSreg | How many input trigger events have you got? |
| 16:13.10 | Bounty | 4 |
| 16:13.28 | Bounty | 1 for key up, 1 for key down, 1 for mouse clicks and 1 for mouse move |
| 16:13.35 | Bounty | the mouse move only sets a variable though |
| 16:13.42 | Bounty | everything else is handled in the players thread |
| 16:14.29 | JademusSreg | Sounds pretty good; I hope those triggers only set variables and that everything is handled by the main loop. |
| 16:14.38 | Bounty | yeah |
| 16:14.41 | Bounty | thats exactly what they do |
| 16:14.47 | Bounty | except the mouse clicks |
| 16:14.55 | Bounty | they just set some behaviors |
| 16:15.03 | Bounty | thats what i meant by the Gravity Gun is mostly data |
| 16:15.15 | Bounty | triggered by dummy behavior actor events |
| 16:15.35 | JademusSreg | I'd suggest doing it all by main loop if you can, but I doubtthat is the problem. |
| 16:15.35 | Bounty | even the walk animation is a behavior |
| 16:15.44 | Bounty | nah i know what it is |
| 16:15.52 | Bounty | since i use move unit instantly |
| 16:15.59 | Bounty | there are more conditions that need to be checked |
| 16:16.01 | Bounty | like pathing |
| 16:16.08 | Bounty | or else u will fly off the map |
| 16:16.10 | Bounty | lol |
| 16:16.15 | JademusSreg | Yeah, I know how that is. |
| 16:16.28 | Bounty | i mean i could use unit orders |
| 16:16.32 | Bounty | but even u saw how that owrks out |
| 16:16.33 | Bounty | with facing |
| 16:16.36 | Bounty | when u use orders |
| 16:16.43 | Bounty | it works but u never fully face the right direction |
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| 16:17.00 | JademusSreg | Pathing checks via function are at least O(n) internally. |
| 16:18.51 | JManV | well, issue orders needs to do the same thing |
| 16:19.04 | JManV | but we did some testing on issue orders vs move unit instantly |
| 16:19.20 | JManV | move unit instantly was not nearly fast enough to warrant the additional complexity |
| 16:19.46 | JManV | it was appoximately as fast as issue orders movement, but was bug ridden and required a lot more code |
| 16:20.11 | JManV | and to warrant that kind of complexity, the burden was that it needed to be significantly faster |
| 16:20.17 | JManV | which is was not |
| 16:20.25 | JManV | by any stretch |
| 16:20.53 | JManV | therefore, i personally recommend against using move unit instantly for WASD movement |
| 16:24.30 | JademusSreg | Good point. |
| 16:26.04 | JManV | i think it was grim |
| 16:26.09 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 16:26.14 | JManV | we actually took your WASD map and tested it |
| 16:26.31 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 16:27.46 | JManV | and there were some weird bugs. they could be fixed, but that's just more code. |
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| 16:32.52 | Kalekin | JademusSreg, did you get your stuff spawning in the right direction? |
| 16:33.24 | JademusSreg | Yes, but not via data, like I mentioned earlier. =) |
| 16:33.29 | Kalekin | k |
| 16:34.26 | Mexa | But wouldn't orders conflict when hitting a wall? |
| 16:34.48 | JademusSreg | Not really. |
| 16:34.50 | Mexa | Like, the algoritm would try to move the unit up the cliff |
| 16:35.03 | Mexa | Due to pathfinding |
| 16:35.08 | JademusSreg | Provided the offset is short enough. |
| 16:35.20 | Mexa | and when it doesn't? |
| 16:35.32 | Mexa | I am thinking on speeds up to 5 cells/second |
| 16:35.37 | Mexa | or more |
| 16:35.57 | JademusSreg | Then that becomes a problem for order based. =D |
| 16:36.52 | JManV | yeah, i have trouble getting over certain speeds with order based :( |
| 16:37.09 | Mexa | also, using orders definitly are way less dynamic |
| 16:37.25 | Mexa | eg you can't decide forces, acc and velocity well. |
| 16:37.40 | JManV | well, i definitely don't subscribe anything as an absolute "you should never do this" |
| 16:37.58 | JManV | but for general purpose WASD, it's not worth the added complexity |
| 16:38.14 | Mexa | perhaps for human units |
| 16:38.15 | JManV | as soon as you start adding reasons for the added complexity, it becomes a lot more grey |
| 16:38.19 | Mexa | Yeah |
| 16:40.08 | JManV | but its important to understand that more code complexity = more potential for bugs |
| 16:40.18 | JManV | weird things like walking up cliff corners |
| 16:40.23 | ProzaicMuze | wasd? |
| 16:40.25 | JManV | or ending up off the map |
| 16:40.26 | ProzaicMuze | with triggers or data? |
| 16:40.32 | JManV | triggers |
| 16:40.39 | ProzaicMuze | eww |
| 16:40.57 | Hati | ProzaicMuze: |
| 16:41.00 | JManV | i found issuing orders with data to be slower than with triggers, actually |
| 16:41.04 | ProzaicMuze | Hati: |
| 16:41.16 | JManV | it lagged, and i removed that lag by switching to triggers |
| 16:41.21 | Hati | ProzaicMuze: https://store.steampowered.com/public/captcha.php?gid=990997712624024300 crack this |
| 16:42.15 | ProzaicMuze | Am I s'posed to find a word in thre? |
| 16:42.17 | ProzaicMuze | or translate it? |
| 16:42.26 | Hati | yeah |
| 16:42.39 | Hati | it was my captcha yesterday on steam and i was just ... hmm |
| 16:42.45 | ProzaicMuze | lmao |
| 16:43.16 | ProzaicMuze | Even after magnify/enchance I got nothin' |
| 16:44.19 | Hati | well the seed is just ... fail |
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| 16:49.06 | SouLCarveR | hola |
| 16:49.15 | Mexa | hi |
| 16:50.07 | ProzaicMuze | go die |
| 16:57.53 | JademusSreg | Mexa, I think a unit's speed would need to exceed the offset distance before it becomes a problem. |
| 16:58.41 | JManV | well, my offset distance is 0.5 |
| 16:59.00 | JademusSreg | Assuming an update rate of 16 updates per second, a unit's speed would need to exceed 16 before the order offset will exceed a cell. |
| 16:59.34 | JManV | 8? |
| 16:59.48 | JManV | perhaps updating more often would help |
| 16:59.55 | JManV | because, yeah, anything more than 4 has no effect |
| 17:00.15 | JManV | except that the animation moves faster than the unit |
| 17:00.19 | JManV | and it appears jerky |
| 17:00.42 | JManV | and i'm updating 0.5 distance moves every 1/8 of a second... so that makes sense |
| 17:00.53 | JManV | i'll try that tonight |
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| 17:01.17 | JManV | cuz i want to be able to do a "bike" that allows you to move across the map faster |
| 17:01.32 | Mexa | what makes that so sure? I thought a cliff would have one precise line/position where it transition from a lowe to an upper cliff. |
| 17:01.40 | JademusSreg | An order offset should be no lower than (speed*update step), which in my case update step is 1/32 second. |
| 17:01.51 | Mexa | So no matter the distance, the calculations would still be wrong at that time. |
| 17:02.44 | Mexa | Or I am just mininterpreting. Anyways, I wouldn't use orders for units which is having a dynamic velocity. |
| 17:02.57 | JademusSreg | Yeah, of course. |
| 17:03.24 | Mexa | And that would speak for itself, as it has too many limits there:P |
| 17:03.47 | JManV | yeah |
| 17:05.31 | JademusSreg | For order-based movement, if your update step is 1/16, and the smallest significant pathing barrier is 1 cell, a movement speed higher than 16 will require an offset higher than 1 cell, which will order a unit around the pathing obstacle. |
| 17:06.34 | JademusSreg | Of course, the greatest possible update rate is 32 per game second. |
| 17:07.51 | JademusSreg | So there is a significant limit on what, say, a physics system will be able to do. |
| 17:08.32 | JManV | also, i don't currently have my map set on fastest speed |
| 17:08.45 | JManV | so i don't even get 1/32 updates |
| 17:09.05 | Ashamed|Work | are we not suppose to use fastest in sc2? |
| 17:09.11 | Ashamed|Work | becuase i know in sc we always used fastest |
| 17:09.12 | JademusSreg | Game seconds will differ from real seconds. |
| 17:09.21 | Ashamed|Work | i just say real second |
| 17:09.23 | Ashamed|Work | when triggering |
| 17:09.28 | Ashamed|Work | i never use game seconds |
| 17:09.34 | JademusSreg | =\ |
| 17:09.36 | JademusSreg | Madness. |
| 17:09.48 | JManV | i just didn't need the higher speed |
| 17:09.55 | Ashamed|Work | why is that madness? |
| 17:09.57 | JManV | and the reduced speed = less triggers firing |
| 17:10.12 | JManV | and more time to handle them |
| 17:11.36 | JademusSreg | Can't say I've had trouble with too many triggers firing in my maps. |
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| 17:12.31 | JademusSreg | Anyway, real time should be approximately constant across all game speeds, useful for intro sequences, anything that rightfully should be done in real time. |
| 17:13.46 | JManV | i have definitely had problems with too many triggers firing |
| 17:13.53 | JManV | i've since resolved those issues tho |
| 17:14.02 | JManV | i don't think the reduced speed was necessary, per se |
| 17:14.20 | JManV | i just needed a deeper understanding of how triggers worked, and I was able to work around it |
| 17:15.33 | XenoX101 | deeper, hm, you mean like anal? |
| 17:16.15 | XenoX101 | sry |
| 17:16.21 | JManV | yeah, i needed to first anally probe triggers |
| 17:16.28 | XenoX101 | im tired the jokes get worse |
| 17:16.29 | JManV | then i was able to fix my lag |
| 17:16.38 | JManV | that's alright |
| 17:16.43 | JManV | i was going off about BJs earlier |
| 17:16.54 | XenoX101 | building jobs? |
| 17:16.58 | XenoX101 | ;p |
| 17:16.59 | JManV | unfortunately, not going off *because* of a BJ |
| 17:17.17 | JManV | yes. building jobs |
| 17:17.49 | XenoX101 | speaking of |
| 17:17.51 | JademusSreg | It was a job erecting something! hurr hurr hurr |
| 17:18.00 | XenoX101 | the desalination plant in aus is not gonna meet its deadline |
| 17:18.02 | XenoX101 | lol |
| 17:18.08 | XenoX101 | gonna be another 6 months |
| 17:18.12 | XenoX101 | of people bitching about it |
| 17:18.21 | XenoX101 | like its hellspawn |
| 17:18.58 | XenoX101 | we had such a big controversy over the desal plant |
| 17:19.19 | XenoX101 | cause it was going on top of our trademark coastal areas |
| 17:19.24 | JManV | how is that related? am i missing something? |
| 17:19.32 | Ashamed|Work | i need to update me resume |
| 17:19.46 | Ashamed|Work | erecting lol |
| 17:19.49 | Ashamed|Work | jade your funny |
| 17:20.10 | JademusSreg | What about my funny? |
| 17:20.11 | XenoX101 | building jobs |
| 17:20.13 | XenoX101 | nvm |
| 17:20.15 | Ashamed|Work | lol |
| 17:20.19 | JManV | oh ok |
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| 17:20.24 | JManV | no, its not big deal |
| 17:20.28 | JManV | it was just a weird segue |
| 17:20.33 | Ashamed|Work | i just like your choice of words :) |
| 17:21.01 | XenoX101 | I read about it today in the newspaper |
| 17:21.03 | XenoX101 | and I rarely read |
| 17:21.17 | XenoX101 | so it was quite a moment for me :D |
| 17:21.24 | Ashamed|Work | whats going on? |
| 17:21.32 | XenoX101 | anyway |
| 17:21.34 | Ashamed|Work | its a plant that can make fual ? |
| 17:21.38 | Ashamed|Work | fuel* |
| 17:21.53 | JManV | newspaper? what's that? :P |
| 17:22.05 | Ashamed|Work | all i know we already have a plant that can do that |
| 17:22.09 | Ashamed|Work | its called hemp :) |
| 17:22.26 | JademusSreg | Reports say it has been called "A Pretty Big Deal" by the Minister of Noteworth and Popular Acclaim. |
| 17:22.37 | Ashamed|Work | http://www.hemp4fuel.com/news.php |
| 17:26.30 | JademusSreg | Going to the gym, bbl |
| 17:26.59 | JManV | enjoy |
| 17:28.57 | XenoX101 | So as I was saying, desalination plants.. |
| 17:29.03 | XenoX101 | ;) |
| 17:29.23 | XenoX101 | hm |
| 17:29.42 | XenoX101 | got that demo done yet JMan? |
| 17:31.59 | JManV | no, i've had personal stuff come up and haven't worked on my map in a few days |
| 17:32.13 | JManV | i prolly could by now, there's only a few details that need to be ironed out |
| 17:32.14 | XenoX101 | psh |
| 17:32.25 | XenoX101 | mapmaking is more important than like, life stuff |
| 17:32.37 | JManV | i broke up with my gf. it's been kind of a rollercoaster since then. |
| 17:32.58 | XenoX101 | ah true |
| 17:33.56 | JManV | it will work itself out tho |
| 17:34.06 | JManV | and i should be able to get back to working on my map tonight |
| 17:34.59 | XenoX101 | ya it should help take your mind off things |
| 17:35.00 | XenoX101 | does for me |
| 17:36.26 | Hati | or help the fbi |
| 17:36.27 | Hati | http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2011/march/cryptanalysis_032911/cryptanalysis_032911 |
| 17:39.57 | Mexa | JManV, I would suggest to never use realtime |
| 17:40.05 | Mexa | If someone lags, the timer will still go on |
| 17:40.14 | Mexa | Using gametime, it will sync with lagging players |
| 17:40.15 | JManV | i don't use it for anything |
| 17:40.25 | Mexa | Thought you said so |
| 17:40.26 | Mexa | :v |
| 17:40.38 | Mexa | My bad |
| 17:40.48 | Mexa | It was directed to Ashamed |
| 17:40.55 | JManV | no, but i use normal speed |
| 17:41.01 | Mexa | That's fine |
| 17:41.08 | Mexa | :> |
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| 17:54.13 | bone123 | anybody interested in an income wars 6 beta test? |
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| 18:00.54 | Saeris | everyone asleep? |
| 18:11.03 | Hati | yes Saeris |
| 18:11.42 | Saeris | guess imma have to figure out how to make a requirement for Specialize abilities myself then |
| 18:12.17 | Hati | Saeris: huh? |
| 18:12.39 | Saeris | Specialize is like halfway between research and learn |
| 18:12.52 | Saeris | it's like indivivdual unit upgrades that apply behaviors |
| 18:13.30 | Saeris | and i need a way to hide a level's button after it's been 'researched' |
| 18:14.11 | Saeris | the way you'd do it with research doesn't work on this type of ability |
| 18:15.38 | Motive | @Mexa: i disagree, using real time is fine. |
| 18:15.49 | Motive | real time is the sync'd difference of real time, so it will be sync'd even when players lag |
| 18:15.50 | Hati | uhm |
| 18:15.55 | Motive | since no "real time" passes when players lag. |
| 18:16.33 | Hati | Saeris: should be smth like !(UpgradeLv(#skillname#)>1) |
| 18:16.57 | Saeris | doesn't work that way, cuz the ability doesn't appear under count upgrade |
| 18:17.00 | Saeris | only under count ability |
| 18:17.36 | Saeris | so i'm thinking i'm gonna have to do a combination of count behavior and check to see if the ability is already being used |
| 18:18.10 | Hati | make your specialize add a flag to the unit ? |
| 18:18.11 | Hati | behavior |
| 18:18.14 | Hati | and count it |
| 18:18.58 | Hati | another workaround i dunno |
| 18:19.48 | Saeris | can't flag it like that either, but i'll see if my solution works |
| 18:19.51 | Saeris | brb |
| 18:19.58 | Hati | oO |
| 18:20.02 | Hati | you can always flag your unit |
| 18:20.40 | JManV | heh |
| 18:22.32 | Saeris | i don't see anywhere in the specialize ability to flag the unit |
| 18:23.12 | Saeris | to give a little background, i'm doing this for individual tower upgrades |
| 18:23.30 | Saeris | so i can't use an upgrade research, cuz it's apply it to all towers of that type |
| 18:23.53 | Saeris | at least that's what i think it'd do |
| 18:25.35 | Hati | Saeris: so ... you use CAbilSpezialize |
| 18:25.47 | Hati | which adds a behavior to the unit using this |
| 18:26.05 | Saeris | yes, that's what i've been doing |
| 18:26.19 | Saeris | the only issue i'm facing is the requirements to show/hide the buttons |
| 18:26.33 | Hati | yeah |
| 18:26.36 | Hati | count the behavior? |
| 18:27.15 | Hati | o ... it is adding an effect |
| 18:27.23 | Saeris | i'm counting the behavior and counting the ability in progress |
| 18:27.26 | Hati | but you could add an behavior over an set-effect |
| 18:27.31 | Saeris | if i only count the behavior i can queue it up multiple times |
| 18:28.03 | Saeris | brb |
| 18:28.13 | Hati | it still depends on what you want to use specialize for ... |
| 18:31.17 | Ashamed|Work | another one bites the dust |
| 18:38.04 | Ashamed|Work | no oneis talking |
| 18:38.09 | Ashamed|Work | someone talk ENTERTAIN ME |
| 18:38.26 | JManV | dances a little jig. |
| 18:40.17 | Hati | Ashamed|Work: |
| 18:40.57 | Saeris | alright, figured it out |
| 18:41.25 | Saeris | gotta have an And with 2 Equals check |
| 18:41.49 | Saeris | check that the behavior isn't there and check that the ability isn't in progress |
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| 18:43.06 | Helral|afk | meow |
| 18:43.21 | Hati | scorches Helral|afk |
| 18:44.07 | Helral|blackened | meows |
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| 18:51.28 | Helral|blackened | meows at Sixen |
| 18:51.40 | Sixen | o/ |
| 18:52.00 | Helral | btw Sixen nice news item about my tutorial ;p *grins* |
| 18:52.06 | Sixen | :) |
| 18:52.30 | Helral | http://www.sc2mapster.com/announcements/card-shuffle-and-sc2layout-tutorial/#comments <-- read the comments :P |
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| 18:55.05 | Helral | and Sixen how far was I off from the thruth with the comments ;p |
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| 18:56.30 | Sixen | right? I don't get it? :O |
| 18:56.58 | Sixen | oh shit |
| 18:57.01 | Sixen | no, I copy/pasted the wrong thing lol |
| 18:57.30 | Helral | hahahaha |
| 18:57.39 | Helral | :) |
| 18:57.56 | Helral | no worries ;p I just found it funny ;p |
| 18:58.38 | Helral | Sixen: lol |
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| 19:00.37 | Motive | Sixen, can you unlock my Galaxy FAQ? I wanted to update it but you guys fixed the bug where you could edit locked topics. :( |
| 19:00.38 | Motive | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/galaxy-scripting-and-trigger-lib/9963-galaxy-faq/#p1 |
| 19:01.03 | Sixen | done |
| 19:01.13 | Motive | Thanks :D |
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| 19:01.41 | Motive | actually, hm, I still can't edit. is there a time-lock on editing? |
| 19:02.03 | Motive | I can edit it to add a poll, or lock it ironically. |
| 19:04.48 | Helral | meow |
| 19:10.29 | Motive | Fixed it, thanks, Sixen. <3 |
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| 19:12.00 | Sixen | np =] |
| 19:12.02 | Sixen | I'll leave it unlocked |
| 19:12.11 | Motive | Thanks :D |
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| 19:20.29 | Helral | Sixen: what is the ETA of the answer to my question? 1 week? |
| 19:21.53 | Motive | sixen may answer a week later, but he time travels so you receive the answer a week earlier :O |
| 19:22.53 | Helral | I'm not expecting an answer from Sixen, but from the person who Sixen would contact with the question ;p |
| 19:24.42 | Motive | does anyone have an idea of how I can promote my map on EU? |
| 19:24.47 | Motive | I have literally 0 EU friends 'cause I'm from NA |
| 19:24.47 | Motive | xD |
| 19:25.00 | Motive | It's a good map, it just needs a couple of games with a bunch of people to get on the list :| |
| 19:25.11 | Sixen | It just depends when I can get in contact with 'em =\ |
| 19:25.21 | Sixen | i'll see if I can catch him today |
| 19:25.38 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 19:30.30 | Ashamed_ | you guys hear what may be happening to the federal goverment funding? |
| 19:30.47 | Ashamed_ | America |
| 19:31.16 | Motive | nope |
| 19:31.39 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 19:31.46 | JademusSreg | North or South America? |
| 19:31.56 | JademusSreg | And which country therein? |
| 19:31.57 | Motive | Any EU mappers online and willing to help recruit people to test my map? |
| 19:32.46 | Ashamed_ | north |
| 19:32.56 | Ashamed_ | the federal funds of the goverment will be shut down in 72 hours |
| 19:33.01 | Ashamed_ | unless there is a bill passed on how to spend it |
| 19:33.10 | JademusSreg | Government of which country? =D |
| 19:33.14 | Ashamed_ | America |
| 19:33.16 | Ashamed_ | http://news.yahoo.com/s/atlantic/whatgovernmentshutdownmeansyou36386 |
| 19:33.18 | Motive | erm |
| 19:33.20 | SouLCarveR | thank god |
| 19:33.25 | SouLCarveR | we give so much money away |
| 19:33.30 | SouLCarveR | what will the world do |
| 19:33.32 | Ashamed_ | yeah thats why there isn't a bill passed |
| 19:33.40 | SouLCarveR | good |
| 19:33.42 | Motive | This isn't as huge as people make it out to be |
| 19:33.43 | Motive | :P |
| 19:33.43 | JademusSreg | I jest; I poke fun at the centrism of US citizens. |
| 19:33.45 | Ashamed_ | because no one is willing to pass it because they all have too much uneccary spending |
| 19:34.01 | SouLCarveR | They should cut all federal funding to every thing |
| 19:34.07 | Ashamed_ | if your a citizen of america ... if a bill is not passed in 72 hours you wont even be getting your tax return |
| 19:34.09 | SouLCarveR | and kick every thing back 200 years or so |
| 19:34.11 | Ashamed_ | Thats what is happening |
| 19:34.13 | Ashamed_ | soul |
| 19:34.20 | Ashamed_ | ALL ZOOS will be shut down |
| 19:34.22 | SouLCarveR | good |
| 19:34.24 | Ashamed_ | anything federal funded |
| 19:34.25 | SouLCarveR | zoos are stupid |
| 19:34.30 | SouLCarveR | waste of money |
| 19:34.42 | Motive | lol |
| 19:34.45 | Motive | you guys are overreacting |
| 19:34.48 | Motive | :P |
| 19:34.51 | Ashamed_ | i am not |
| 19:35.01 | JademusSreg | is underreacting. |
| 19:35.02 | Ashamed_ | i am not funded by the goverment at all |
| 19:35.05 | Ashamed_ | and i already got my taxes back |
| 19:35.06 | SouLCarveR | OMFG does that mean the UN wont have any money? |
| 19:35.10 | SouLCarveR | thank god |
| 19:35.10 | Motive | It just means non-essential federal government systems will be shutdown a few days |
| 19:35.15 | Motive | no soulcarver |
| 19:35.16 | Helral | Sixen: need a net? |
| 19:35.19 | Ashamed_ | yes non-essential |
| 19:35.24 | Ashamed_ | like the military will still be payed |
| 19:35.27 | Motive | ie. everything essential will still be run |
| 19:35.30 | Motive | ie. not a big deal |
| 19:35.33 | Ashamed_ | but there are aalot of non-essential funding |
| 19:35.38 | Ashamed_ | like state funding |
| 19:35.44 | Sixen | net? |
| 19:35.46 | Motive | just means no new state funding |
| 19:35.47 | JademusSreg | "citizen of america" wakka wakka |
| 19:35.47 | Ashamed_ | zoos, your taxes |
| 19:36.04 | Helral | you know to catch him with ;p |
| 19:36.08 | Ashamed_ | any state program that gets federal funding |
| 19:36.12 | Motive | taxes would be essential |
| 19:36.16 | Ashamed_ | no |
| 19:36.23 | Motive | and the states wouldn't lose federal funding. they'd lose any new federal funding |
| 19:36.27 | Motive | old funding would fall under the old budget |
| 19:36.29 | Motive | ie. already approved |
| 19:36.31 | Ashamed_ | all tax returns still waiting to proccess will be delayed |
| 19:36.35 | Helral | purl give Sixen a net |
| 19:36.35 | purl | ACTION gives a net to Sixen |
| 19:36.40 | Motive | it's not a huge thing |
| 19:37.03 | Motive | the highway workers funded by TARP will still be out building I-95 3 days from now |
| 19:37.06 | Motive | progress won't really be held back |
| 19:37.12 | Ashamed_ | i think its a good thing :) |
| 19:37.19 | Motive | its pointless |
| 19:37.24 | Ashamed_ | if we are fighting this much about uneccary spending |
| 19:37.25 | Motive | we'll just end up passing a budget with bloat anyways |
| 19:37.26 | JManV | i don't see how they can without refunds |
| 19:37.31 | JManV | that money doesn't belong to them |
| 19:37.32 | Ashamed_ | then mby we will get rid of uneccary spending |
| 19:37.36 | Motive | our government is incapable of spending intelligently |
| 19:37.44 | Motive | "herp let's cut NPR funding. it's only 0.001% of our entire budget." |
| 19:37.44 | Ashamed_ | jman it doe s:) |
| 19:37.48 | Motive | "wooo I'm saving money! :D" |
| 19:37.51 | Ashamed_ | you are the one that trust your government |
| 19:37.53 | JManV | no it doesn't |
| 19:37.53 | Ashamed_ | and pay them |
| 19:37.56 | Ashamed_ | Yes it does |
| 19:38.01 | Ashamed_ | just because htey say they will give it back to us |
| 19:38.02 | JManV | i don't actually |
| 19:38.06 | Motive | its not gonna get rid of unnecessary spending |
| 19:38.08 | Ashamed_ | doesn't make it not theirs |
| 19:38.09 | Motive | it's just going to delay new spending |
| 19:38.10 | Motive | Lol |
| 19:38.19 | JManV | i don't give them interest-free money to hold onto for a year, thanks |
| 19:38.25 | Ashamed_ | but the IRS will close. That means many people waiting on refund checks will have to keep waiting. However, Social Security checks will go out. |
| 19:38.25 | Ashamed_ | but the IRS will close. That means many people waiting on refund checks will have to keep waiting. However, Social Security checks will go out. |
| 19:38.29 | JManV | i pay what it takes to cover my taxes |
| 19:38.37 | JManV | and that's it |
| 19:38.41 | Ashamed_ | the irs is being shut down |
| 19:38.43 | JManV | but that doesn't make it not BS |
| 19:39.00 | Motive | you're overreacting |
| 19:39.02 | Motive | nothing's going to change |
| 19:39.04 | Motive | I wish it would |
| 19:39.05 | Motive | but it won't. |
| 19:39.08 | JManV | isn't that an essential funciton? isn't that where they get funding in the first place? |
| 19:39.10 | Ashamed_ | no something will change |
| 19:39.14 | Ashamed_ | it better |
| 19:39.17 | Motive | we've had this happen before |
| 19:39.19 | Motive | it will change nothing |
| 19:39.21 | Ashamed_ | but jman if they need that money for something else |
| 19:39.22 | Ashamed_ | thats why |
| 19:39.23 | JademusSreg | Wait, I think we're all overlooking something here; there are people who still go to yahoo for news! |
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| 19:39.39 | Ashamed_ | :) thats not the only place its on |
| 19:39.39 | Motive | this is just republicans and democrats being dicks fighting for their earmarks instead of the other party's |
| 19:39.41 | Ashamed_ | its everywhere |
| 19:39.45 | Motive | so either way we lose |
| 19:39.45 | Ashamed_ | yeah i know what it is motive |
| 19:39.51 | SouLCarveR | you know what |
| 19:39.59 | SouLCarveR | the government spends way too much money |
| 19:40.05 | Ashamed_ | soul i agree |
| 19:40.08 | JManV | yeah, i'm with motive tho |
| 19:40.09 | JademusSreg | I jest; nobody still goes to yahoo for news, obviously. |
| 19:40.12 | Motive | also a lot of people overreact to government spending |
| 19:40.13 | Ashamed_ | and motive i hope something changes |
| 19:40.14 | JManV | i don't think anything's going to change |
| 19:40.19 | Ashamed_ | i am not afraid of America failing or anything |
| 19:40.22 | Motive | the US is an extremely large country |
| 19:40.23 | SouLCarveR | when you say over react? |
| 19:40.31 | Ashamed_ | but i do hope this will bring light to what we spend our money on |
| 19:40.33 | Motive | we can remain healthy with 100% of our 1-year GDP owed in credit |
| 19:40.37 | SouLCarveR | how can you "over react" to retards throwing money away |
| 19:40.38 | Motive | other countries can't but |
| 19:40.41 | Motive | about 100% is ok for us |
| 19:40.56 | Motive | it's the equivilent of a family being 1 years salary in debt. in the big picture that's not too bad. |
| 19:41.03 | SouLCarveR | lol |
| 19:41.04 | SouLCarveR | motive |
| 19:41.06 | SouLCarveR | thats terrible |
| 19:41.09 | Motive | it's not good but it's not horrible crippling debt |
| 19:41.15 | SouLCarveR | its not good at all |
| 19:41.23 | Ashamed_ | no zoos :( |
| 19:41.24 | SouLCarveR | if theres no equity behind it |
| 19:41.33 | Ashamed_ | I SAY NEW WORLD ORDER |
| 19:41.39 | Ashamed_ | this is the time for us to start revolting |
| 19:41.41 | SouLCarveR | only if im in charge |
| 19:41.45 | Motive | as long as the debt is manageable there's nothing wrong with it |
| 19:41.50 | Ashamed_ | motive its not |
| 19:41.51 | Motive | people overreact because they say "trillion is big number oh noes!" |
| 19:41.53 | Ashamed_ | as we are seeing that |
| 19:41.57 | SouLCarveR | its not manageable |
| 19:42.02 | Ashamed_ | if it was manageable we would have a bill passed |
| 19:42.06 | Ashamed_ | so this wouldn't be happening |
| 19:42.08 | SouLCarveR | exactly |
| 19:42.12 | SouLCarveR | its beyond managable |
| 19:42.12 | Motive | no |
| 19:42.16 | SouLCarveR | everything is in the red |
| 19:42.18 | Motive | the bill is just over who gets more money |
| 19:42.23 | Ashamed_ | OK |
| 19:42.23 | SouLCarveR | lol no motive |
| 19:42.24 | SouLCarveR | its not |
| 19:42.26 | Motive | the deficit is only expected to grow, not shrink |
| 19:42.26 | Ashamed_ | so if it was managable |
| 19:42.29 | Ashamed_ | we would KNOW |
| 19:42.35 | Ashamed_ | instead of fighting about it |
| 19:42.40 | Motive | the financial struggle recently is unrelated to the debt, mostly. |
| 19:42.47 | Ashamed_ | MANAGABLE means we would be able to figure out what we can MANAGE with our money |
| 19:42.50 | Ashamed_ | CURRENLTY WE CANT DO THAT |
| 19:43.00 | SouLCarveR | you realize the governement has to keep raising the maximum debt it is allowed to carry by law |
| 19:43.05 | Ashamed_ | so explain how its managable |
| 19:43.05 | SouLCarveR | thats a bad sign |
| 19:43.10 | SouLCarveR | it means its not managable |
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| 19:43.25 | Motive | we're ok, for now, in terms of debt to GDP. strictly speaking economics, a country can maintain 100% of it's 1-year GDP in debt. especially a market as large as the US |
| 19:43.29 | Ashamed_ | our contry is all about making the rich richer >< |
| 19:43.32 | Motive | I'm not saying we should spend more |
| 19:43.36 | Motive | but we're manageable still. |
| 19:43.37 | Leaderboard | How to apply camera object for every player on the map ? |
| 19:43.44 | Motive | greece is when you start losing manageable. |
| 19:44.04 | Motive | US is still a healthy economy |
| 19:44.07 | SouLCarveR | nah motive |
| 19:44.11 | SouLCarveR | its not like you say |
| 19:44.14 | SouLCarveR | we are greece |
| 19:44.19 | Ashamed_ | well i dont agree with you motive.. that facts point to it not being healthy thus why its being shut down |
| 19:44.24 | SouLCarveR | just the world doesnt dare call us on our debt |
| 19:44.37 | Motive | we're not shutting down because of the debt. we're shutting down because the kids in washington can't agree on something. |
| 19:44.49 | SouLCarveR | Motive its thier job not to agree |
| 19:44.53 | Ashamed_ | We are looking at federal spending because of our debt |
| 19:44.55 | SouLCarveR | else we would be communist |
| 19:44.57 | Motive | ironically, it is the debt they argue about, but the debt isn't directly causing a shutdown of govt functions |
| 19:45.03 | Ashamed_ | and we want to make our money go twords better things |
| 19:45.11 | JademusSreg | Leaderboard, apply it for each player in a playergroup. |
| 19:45.11 | Motive | yes, we're starting to address the debt as a problem, but we're not shutting down directly because we have no more money |
| 19:45.14 | SouLCarveR | I honestly could care less if the fed shut down |
| 19:45.25 | JademusSreg | You can do that using a Pick Each Player Action if you use GUI. |
| 19:45.27 | Motive | it's misleading to say we're shutting down the federal govt because we have no more money |
| 19:45.34 | Ashamed_ | yeah motive i am not saying we are shutting down becuase we have no money |
| 19:45.37 | Motive | we're shutting down until a budget can be agreed upon to spend |
| 19:45.39 | SouLCarveR | its because they dont have a budget |
| 19:45.41 | SouLCarveR | duh? |
| 19:45.43 | Ashamed_ | but we are shutting down because we have a problem with how we are spending our money |
| 19:45.45 | Ashamed_ | because of the debt |
| 19:45.49 | Motive | and the budget ironically is going to increase the debt this year |
| 19:45.54 | Motive | no matter which party wins |
| 19:45.58 | SouLCarveR | they dont have a budget because people want to curb spending |
| 19:45.59 | Motive | so the debt is pretty much unrelated entirely |
| 19:46.00 | Ashamed_ | lol |
| 19:46.07 | Ashamed_ | exactly |
| 19:46.15 | Motive | the things they're proposing to cut won't bring us into a surplus |
| 19:46.23 | Ashamed_ | i thin we are fucked |
| 19:46.24 | Motive | if you want a surplus, get us out of afghanistan/iraq and rely on surgical strikes only. |
| 19:46.24 | SouLCarveR | who the hell cares about surplus |
| 19:46.26 | Ashamed_ | think* |
| 19:46.32 | Motive | we need a surplus to use the surplus to pay the debt down? |
| 19:46.32 | SouLCarveR | I want less spending |
| 19:46.39 | SouLCarveR | I want no money going over seas |
| 19:46.44 | Ashamed_ | yeah |
| 19:46.47 | Motive | that's stupid, soulcarver. :| |
| 19:46.48 | Ashamed_ | for like 5 years at least >< |
| 19:46.50 | Motive | we're a global economy |
| 19:46.52 | Motive | money will go overseas |
| 19:46.57 | SouLCarveR | lmao |
| 19:46.58 | SouLCarveR | no |
| 19:46.58 | SouLCarveR | the constitution |
| 19:47.00 | SouLCarveR | says no where |
| 19:47.05 | SouLCarveR | that we are a global anything |
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| 19:47.19 | Motive | just because it doesn't state it explicitly doesn't mean congress can't do it, bro |
| 19:47.20 | Motive | :P |
| 19:47.20 | SouLCarveR | this is where you fail to understnad the point of living in a republic |
| 19:47.23 | Motive | read the constitution. :) |
| 19:47.36 | SouLCarveR | umm |
| 19:47.42 | SouLCarveR | actually |
| 19:47.52 | SouLCarveR | the constitution says congress only has the abiltiy to do what it states |
| 19:48.00 | SouLCarveR | or they have to create a law to give them the ability too |
| 19:48.07 | Motive | yes but it also gives congress the ability to regulate interstate and national commerce |
| 19:48.08 | SouLCarveR | they cant just do it cause it feels good |
| 19:48.15 | SouLCarveR | yeah |
| 19:48.16 | Motive | ie. congress can send our money overseas |
| 19:48.18 | Motive | there's no debate to that |
| 19:48.19 | SouLCarveR | its called taxes |
| 19:48.33 | SouLCarveR | and if you think it is |
| 19:48.33 | SouLCarveR | sending money over seas is not regulating |
| 19:48.37 | SouLCarveR | then your mentally handi capped |
| 19:48.57 | JademusSreg | What about my mentally handi capped? |
| 19:48.59 | Motive | it is regulating :P |
| 19:49.00 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 19:49.04 | SouLCarveR | hardly |
| 19:49.07 | Motive | it's regulating ourselves. |
| 19:49.09 | SouLCarveR | its called wasting money |
| 19:49.10 | Motive | in relation to other nations |
| 19:49.17 | SouLCarveR | fuck other nations |
| 19:49.19 | Motive | a lot of it is wasted, but congress definitely has the authority to do it |
| 19:49.36 | Motive | and I'm not against sending money to some of our allies, or even injecting money into the euro |
| 19:49.42 | Motive | some of our overseas spending is good |
| 19:49.53 | Motive | ie. no-fly-zone over libya is part of that good |
| 19:49.56 | SouLCarveR | no actually its not |
| 19:50.01 | SouLCarveR | libya is stupid |
| 19:50.05 | SouLCarveR | iraq is stupid |
| 19:50.10 | Motive | backing the euro benefits us by helping the european economy |
| 19:50.10 | SouLCarveR | afganistan is stupid |
| 19:50.15 | Motive | which is heavily tied to our own |
| 19:50.19 | Motive | if euro improves, we do well, too |
| 19:50.23 | SouLCarveR | wrong |
| 19:50.27 | Motive | economists are generally good about this sort of thing |
| 19:50.27 | SouLCarveR | so wrong motive |
| 19:50.44 | Motive | if european economies fail, we lose people to sell our service-related goods to |
| 19:50.46 | SouLCarveR | why prop up europes economy? |
| 19:50.52 | SouLCarveR | they complete for the same resources we do |
| 19:50.54 | JademusSreg | I'm hungry. |
| 19:50.59 | Motive | US is a service economy, so we rely on other people to buy our services, not products, mostly. |
| 19:51.04 | SouLCarveR | just makes the stuff we want to buy more expensive |
| 19:51.17 | SouLCarveR | the US shouldnt be "serviced based" |
| 19:51.21 | Motive | why not? |
| 19:51.23 | SouLCarveR | thats a bad thing |
| 19:51.24 | SouLCarveR | its bad |
| 19:51.26 | SouLCarveR | for us |
| 19:51.36 | Motive | the transition to a service-based economy is behind the massive increase in standard of living in this country in the past 100 years |
| 19:51.44 | SouLCarveR | umm not really |
| 19:51.47 | Motive | look at manhattan, new york |
| 19:51.49 | SouLCarveR | it peaks out |
| 19:51.51 | Motive | their economy is $1 trillion alone in GDP |
| 19:51.52 | SouLCarveR | and then fails ahrd |
| 19:51.53 | SouLCarveR | hard |
| 19:51.55 | SouLCarveR | as we are seeing |
| 19:51.57 | Motive | that's a huge increase in value, and it's all service economy |
| 19:52.12 | SouLCarveR | manufactuing helped us see the largest increases in living |
| 19:52.23 | Motive | manufacturing put our citizens into factories where they lost limbs |
| 19:52.27 | SouLCarveR | and? |
| 19:52.33 | Motive | that's decrease in living |
| 19:52.35 | SouLCarveR | no pain no gain |
| 19:52.36 | Motive | not increase |
| 19:52.45 | SouLCarveR | if your a pussy maybe |
| 19:52.49 | SouLCarveR | grow balls |
| 19:52.52 | SouLCarveR | work a real job |
| 19:52.52 | Motive | I dont feel like losing a limb or a finger |
| 19:52.56 | Motive | i'll be a pussy and work in a service economy |
| 19:52.58 | SouLCarveR | theres always a risk |
| 19:53.03 | SouLCarveR | less risk less reward |
| 19:53.25 | Motive | we couldn't live the way we do, or even close to it, without our reliance on service-based economy |
| 19:53.51 | SouLCarveR | I guess your happy with 10-20% unemployment then |
| 19:54.01 | Motive | it's nowhere near 20% anymore |
| 19:54.10 | Motive | and yes, I am, because I know as the economy improves, that will go down |
| 19:54.16 | SouLCarveR | if you count people not even looking for work it is |
| 19:54.26 | Motive | we went through a recession, which is a result of reliance on the fractional reserve banking system |
| 19:54.35 | Motive | not any kind of industrial/service related economy |
| 19:54.42 | Motive | and it wasn't a terrible recession either |
| 19:54.46 | Motive | at least compared to other ones |
| 19:54.57 | Motive | 70s had gas prices and gas lines, great depression had people starving |
| 19:54.59 | Motive | we made out good |
| 19:55.24 | Motive | and people don't understand how credit works either |
| 19:55.39 | Motive | the reason the western world developed so much faster than the east was mostly because of credit. |
| 19:55.48 | Motive | chinese credit was expensive, while interest rates in the west were around 5% |
| 19:55.57 | Motive | so people went into debt, opened businesses, made profits, etc |
| 19:56.06 | SouLCarveR | people also lost money |
| 19:56.08 | SouLCarveR | alot of it |
| 19:56.08 | Motive | industrial revolution, boom, and we were centuries ahead |
| 19:56.09 | Motive | yes, that happens |
| 19:56.10 | Motive | it's risk |
| 19:56.13 | SouLCarveR | credit isnt a one way street |
| 19:56.21 | Motive | would you rather be china? |
| 19:56.32 | SouLCarveR | china is completely different |
| 19:56.48 | Motive | china is an industrial powerhouse |
| 19:56.48 | SouLCarveR | from a single citizens point of view |
| 19:57.01 | Motive | I dont think that's where america should be headed |
| 19:57.02 | SouLCarveR | thats because business is in bed with government |
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| 19:57.05 | SouLCarveR | eh |
| 19:57.10 | themaelstorm | hello! |
| 19:57.12 | SouLCarveR | easy to make money like that |
| 19:57.16 | SouLCarveR | cheap too |
| 19:57.29 | Motive | cheap, literally |
| 19:57.29 | Motive | :P |
| 19:57.54 | Motive | China is growing but you have to remember they were very behind for a long time, too. |
| 19:58.00 | Motive | america is still very competitive |
| 19:58.04 | Motive | even coming out of a recession |
| 19:58.17 | Motive | with smart economic policy, we can be out of this in a decade or two |
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| 19:58.26 | Motive | which is nothing really in terms of time |
| 19:58.44 | Motive | if new york city alone redirected it's GDP to paying off our debt, we'd be out in 10 years. |
| 19:58.50 | Motive | that's not crippling debt. |
| 19:59.10 | SouLCarveR | GDP goes to pay for things like wages btw |
| 19:59.16 | Motive | yes |
| 19:59.30 | SouLCarveR | so your a communist? |
| 19:59.30 | Motive | however the example still stands, because the wealth this country has compared to it's debt is still very manageable. |
| 19:59.30 | themaelstorm | :( I thought people would be talking about triggers here! |
| 19:59.34 | SouLCarveR | take everybodies money? |
| 19:59.37 | Motive | it's large, and needs to be decreased, but it's not crippling like greece. |
| 20:00.11 | Motive | the US govt isn't in danger of filing for bankruptcy or anywhere close to that |
| 20:00.18 | Motive | we're still making our interest payments easily |
| 20:00.28 | SouLCarveR | the thing is |
| 20:00.34 | SouLCarveR | they keep raising the debt ceiling |
| 20:00.38 | SouLCarveR | you think thats ok? |
| 20:00.56 | Motive | interest on our debt is only $215 billion/yr right now |
| 20:00.58 | Motive | that's not too much |
| 20:01.06 | Motive | we have a 10 trillion dollar economy. |
| 20:01.10 | Ashamed_ | Motive i do not believe we are to the point where its all going to end.. but we are at a point where it most def is bad |
| 20:01.21 | SouLCarveR | very bad |
| 20:01.28 | Motive | it's not as bad as people make it out. it's in need of being addressed, but it's not at the point where we are in any danger yet |
| 20:01.34 | SouLCarveR | we cant keep just paying the intrest |
| 20:01.42 | Motive | it's like the family that's a year in debt. they need to start making more than interest payments and come up with a plan to take care of it. |
| 20:01.44 | Ashamed_ | and if people have an attitude that nothign is wrong |
| 20:01.47 | SouLCarveR | when those intrest payments keep going up |
| 20:01.47 | Motive | but they're not in danger of filing for bankruptcy |
| 20:01.49 | Ashamed_ | then shit is going to get VERY VERY VERY BAD |
| 20:01.55 | Ashamed_ | you need to question the government |
| 20:02.05 | Motive | I'm not saying nothing is wrong. I'm just saying that things are not as bad as fox news would have some believe |
| 20:02.14 | SouLCarveR | motive |
| 20:02.14 | tordy | sup motive |
| 20:02.19 | Ashamed_ | motive |
| 20:02.21 | SouLCarveR | fox news doesnt make it sound that bad |
| 20:02.21 | Motive | we're not in danger of facing another great depression or anything |
| 20:02.22 | tordy | motive |
| 20:02.22 | Ashamed_ | FOX news is BOGUS |
| 20:02.29 | JManV | what? new sources don't sensationalize! |
| 20:02.30 | Motive | oh I know :P |
| 20:02.31 | Ashamed_ | they are coservitives |
| 20:02.33 | Ashamed_ | they want the office :) |
| 20:02.39 | Ashamed_ | of coruse they are going to say its worse then it is |
| 20:02.43 | tordy | no it's not because they're consersatives |
| 20:02.46 | Ashamed_ | we have a demecrat as a president |
| 20:02.48 | tordy | it's because they're allowed to lie |
| 20:02.55 | SouLCarveR | allowed to lie? |
| 20:02.57 | tordy | yea |
| 20:03.01 | JManV | a new company would never make a problem sound worse than it is! it's certainly not in their best interests!!! |
| 20:03.02 | SouLCarveR | please point out a lie? |
| 20:03.15 | Ashamed_ | jman i am confsued |
| 20:03.17 | Motive | lol oh god here we go |
| 20:03.17 | JManV | ^ (sacrasm) |
| 20:03.19 | Ashamed_ | what do you mena by that? |
| 20:03.21 | JademusSreg | Wakka wakka |
| 20:03.21 | Ashamed_ | oh ok |
| 20:03.25 | tordy | sup Motive |
| 20:03.29 | Motive | sup tordy |
| 20:03.35 | JManV | deep, deep sarcasm |
| 20:03.37 | Ashamed_ | i will point out a lie from fox news\] |
| 20:03.51 | Ashamed_ | Republicans earlier passed a bill out of the House to cut $61 billion from last year's levels, and some lawmakers have continued to press for that level of spending cuts. Democrats have refused. Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/06/budget-deal-elusive-congressional-leaders-face-pressure/#ixzz1Im8BWa6M |
| 20:03.54 | Ashamed_ | that right there is a lie |
| 20:03.59 | Ashamed_ | democrats have not refused shit |
| 20:04.03 | Ashamed_ | they just have a differnt plan |
| 20:04.19 | tordy | why are we talkin about fox news all of sudden |
| 20:04.19 | SouLCarveR | well for starters the whole "refused" |
| 20:04.21 | tordy | where's the mapping spirit!? |
| 20:04.23 | Ashamed_ | i am pretty sure the democrats wnat spending cuts too |
| 20:04.26 | Motive | fyi, both sides do it. democrats and republicans are equally retarded. |
| 20:04.27 | SouLCarveR | nobody refuses anything in the house or senate |
| 20:04.30 | Motive | I side with neither. |
| 20:04.33 | Ashamed_ | yeah thats what i am saying |
| 20:04.38 | SouLCarveR | so |
| 20:04.46 | SouLCarveR | it means they dont see eye to eye or agree |
| 20:04.53 | SouLCarveR | its not a lie |
| 20:04.53 | Ashamed_ | but fox news sure doesn't have any problem saying it happened that way |
| 20:05.00 | SouLCarveR | if your intelligent and know how the gov works |
| 20:05.05 | tordy | american population in general is mentally challenged |
| 20:05.07 | tordy | lack of better word |
| 20:05.07 | Motive | the headline makes it sound like the democrats are refusing to save $61 billion without mentioning their likely justified concerns |
| 20:05.09 | Ashamed_ | but thats not our job to depict |
| 20:05.19 | Ashamed_ | the news companies should put the news in our understanding |
| 20:05.24 | SouLCarveR | meh when does it ever depict the other sides concerns? |
| 20:05.27 | Ashamed_ | because the only reason they bring us news.. is for us |
| 20:05.28 | Motive | instead of "Republicans propose plan to save $61 billion, democrats outline their own plan when they disagree" |
| 20:05.30 | Motive | or something like that |
| 20:05.39 | Motive | because the job of a journalist is to inform you |
| 20:05.41 | SouLCarveR | Motive ... both sides have it that way |
| 20:05.46 | Motive | not to subscribe you to their ideaology |
| 20:05.48 | Ashamed_ | yeah and its stupid |
| 20:05.49 | SouLCarveR | its just the way its written |
| 20:05.54 | SouLCarveR | you ahve to read between the lines |
| 20:05.57 | Motive | yes |
| 20:05.58 | SouLCarveR | but it is not a lie |
| 20:05.59 | Motive | but a lot of people dont do that |
| 20:06.00 | Ashamed_ | NO SOUL |
| 20:06.02 | Ashamed_ | yoyu shouldn't HAVE TO |
| 20:06.03 | Motive | it's not a lie, strictly speaking |
| 20:06.04 | Ashamed_ | PERIOD |
| 20:06.09 | Motive | it's just worded in a very misleading fashion |
| 20:06.09 | SouLCarveR | lol you do though ashamed |
| 20:06.18 | Ashamed_ | well that doesn't make it right |
| 20:06.27 | SouLCarveR | who said anything about it being right? |
| 20:06.35 | Ashamed_ | thats what we are talking about |
| 20:06.40 | Ashamed_ | its like talking to a child |
| 20:06.45 | Ashamed_ | they will believe anything you say |
| 20:06.46 | tordy | what's it called when you have multiple # of players in a map that can pick or are matched to play in submatches within the same map? |
| 20:06.48 | tordy | it's like card battle |
| 20:06.52 | Ashamed_ | and you can say something that isn't a lie |
| 20:06.59 | Ashamed_ | but make them come up with a conclusion that isn't true |
| 20:07.09 | Motive | having said that, I'd rather have news organizations that lie, than the government mandate that news organizations can't lie. |
| 20:07.11 | tordy | esentially a map w/ multiple matches taking place, like icjug or something |
| 20:07.14 | Ashamed_ | and just because you didn't lie... doesn't make it ok to make someone come up with a false conclusion |
| 20:07.15 | Motive | that would set a dangerous precedent for government control of the media |
| 20:08.24 | tordy | test |
| 20:08.29 | tordy | good still here |
| 20:09.02 | Motive | tl;dr: ron paul for president |
| 20:09.18 | tordy | what's it called when you have multiple # of players in a map that can pick or are matched to play in submatches within the same map? |
| 20:09.22 | tordy | it's like card battle |
| 20:09.24 | tordy | or icjug |
| 20:09.29 | tordy | what are those types of maps called |
| 20:09.48 | tordy | cmon i need a name so i can simplify my discussions! |
| 20:09.55 | Motive | no clue :P |
| 20:10.03 | tordy | you nkow what im talking about right? |
| 20:10.09 | Motive | you could say you have multiple rounds/heats/something |
| 20:10.15 | Motive | or maybe minigame |
| 20:10.22 | Motive | but that implies multiple games inside the map |
| 20:10.34 | tordy | yea something like that |
| 20:10.46 | tordy | multiple matches indepedent of each other that are all in the same game state |
| 20:10.55 | tordy | better name? |
| 20:11.05 | Motive | coin a name for it? :P I don't think there is one widely in use for SC2 |
| 20:11.10 | tordy | how bout |
| 20:11.15 | tordy | it's not really a tourny |
| 20:11.23 | tordy | since they're independent |
| 20:11.28 | tordy | players are free to choose their opponents |
| 20:11.35 | tordy | or are matched via matchmaking system |
| 20:11.41 | Dekar- | subgame |
| 20:12.03 | tordy | subgames within a game yea |
| 20:12.07 | tordy | what's the game called |
| 20:12.11 | Motive | Any EU players online willing to help me recruit players to test a map? |
| 20:12.27 | tordy | a conglomerate of subgames |
| 20:12.29 | Dekar- | it has no special name |
| 20:12.32 | Dekar- | tournament |
| 20:12.37 | tordy | cmooon |
| 20:12.45 | tordy | someone coin someething |
| 20:12.46 | Dekar- | open tournament |
| 20:13.12 | tordy | iunno tournament sounds it implies a winner in the entire thing |
| 20:13.23 | Dekar- | dont they all win AS LONG AS THEY HAVE FUN? |
| 20:13.28 | tordy | :) |
| 20:13.44 | tordy | players can play for as long as they want |
| 20:13.52 | tordy | infinite amount of rounds till they leave |
| 20:13.57 | tordy | no clear winner |
| 20:14.04 | tordy | just winner of a subgame |
| 20:14.19 | tordy | anyway, would this be a good idea? |
| 20:14.35 | bone123 | i need somebody to test income wars 6 ^^ |
| 20:14.40 | tordy | free bones! |
| 20:14.46 | tordy | free bone123 !!!! |
| 20:14.49 | Dekar- | l |
| 20:14.52 | Dekar- | open ended game |
| 20:14.55 | Dekar- | ._. |
| 20:14.59 | tordy | meh |
| 20:15.03 | tordy | sounds like a sandbox game |
| 20:15.17 | tordy | which could be |
| 20:15.19 | tordy | but not really |
| 20:15.30 | Dekar- | turd style gameplay |
| 20:15.33 | tordy | :( |
| 20:15.34 | Dekar- | xD |
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| 20:15.49 | tordy | hi ekcolnovkol |
| 20:16.08 | tordy | anyone here play sotis? |
| 20:16.16 | Dekar- | just make up something yourself |
| 20:16.23 | tordy | i cant tink of one |
| 20:16.24 | bone123 | sozis sucks^^ |
| 20:16.38 | tordy | im trying to find something out in sotis |
| 20:16.46 | tordy | anyone here played a couple times ? |
| 20:16.50 | tordy | if only ekcolnovkol was here! |
| 20:16.56 | tordy | so he can tell me some details |
| 20:16.56 | JademusSreg | I wonder what how one links to a video at a particular time in google video,. |
| 20:17.06 | Motive | well |
| 20:17.15 | tordy | Motive is there a matchmaking system in Sotis? |
| 20:17.16 | Motive | in youtube it's #t=5s |
| 20:17.27 | Motive | no clue I dont play sotis |
| 20:17.32 | tordy | someone's telling me there's a matchmaking system in sotis |
| 20:17.33 | Dekar- | you know, just like some random guy thought AoS should be called MOBA because he likes that more |
| 20:17.38 | tordy | want to know more about it |
| 20:17.53 | Dekar- | you can make up your own description |
| 20:18.02 | tordy | there's no way for map scripts to affect what players join lobbies right? |
| 20:18.08 | Motive | right |
| 20:18.24 | tordy | ok so im guessing what sotis has is a matchmaking system between 10 players already inside the map |
| 20:18.37 | Dekar- | last time i played sotis it looked normal |
| 20:18.44 | Dekar- | and that was a few days ago |
| 20:18.53 | tordy | well im tryin to figure somthing out |
| 20:18.55 | Motive | if I were SotIS |
| 20:18.59 | Motive | I would rank everyone using ELO |
| 20:19.03 | Motive | then arrange teams so that |
| 20:19.09 | Motive | the average ranking of each team was equal |
| 20:19.11 | JademusSreg | Damn. That doesn't seem to work. |
| 20:19.12 | Motive | simple matchmaking |
| 20:19.12 | Motive | :) |
| 20:19.19 | Dekar- | elo is overused lol |
| 20:19.20 | Dekar- | xD |
| 20:19.22 | Motive | I like ELO :) |
| 20:19.28 | Motive | It works |
| 20:19.30 | Dekar- | everything uses it |
| 20:19.33 | Hati | so you would bank the elo ? |
| 20:19.35 | Motive | yes |
| 20:19.44 | Hati | encryption again and all that stuff ._. |
| 20:19.46 | tordy | Motive that's what i told ekcolnovkol to do |
| 20:19.49 | Motive | not really an issue |
| 20:19.51 | Dekar- | hacking it and stuff |
| 20:19.53 | Motive | what are you gonna do, hack your ELO? |
| 20:19.57 | Motive | won't affect much |
| 20:19.57 | Motive | Lol |
| 20:20.01 | Dekar- | ofc |
| 20:20.02 | Motive | just use it for internal stuff only |
| 20:20.04 | Dekar- | i will set it to 0 |
| 20:20.05 | Hati | but ppl will do |
| 20:20.08 | Motive | you mean 1500 :P |
| 20:20.10 | Dekar- | and then i will always join the winning team |
| 20:20.15 | Motive | not really, dekar :P |
| 20:20.17 | Dekar- | because the game thinks im a noob |
| 20:20.19 | tordy | >:) |
| 20:20.27 | Hati | power noob not just a regular noob |
| 20:20.33 | Dekar- | where in reality i would have elo of 3000! |
| 20:20.43 | Hati | over nine thousand |
| 20:20.45 | Hati | oh wait ... |
| 20:20.55 | tordy | but you cant have an elo of 3000 without being matched w/ high elo players first! |
| 20:21.05 | tordy | and the matchmaking system would never match you with high elo players |
| 20:21.07 | tordy | since you hacked it down! |
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| 20:21.18 | Hati | well it would match you |
| 20:21.18 | Dekar- | yeah the purpose it |
| 20:21.22 | Dekar- | to win all my games |
| 20:21.25 | Dekar- | vs noobs |
| 20:21.29 | tordy | ya i suppose |
| 20:21.31 | Hati | as you have no pre match making |
| 20:21.31 | tordy | you evil devil |
| 20:21.42 | Dekar- | because its more fun than winning only 50% of my games versus equally good people! |
| 20:21.49 | Dekar- | -_- |
| 20:21.53 | Hati | you could still join games where High ELO vs High ELO play |
| 20:21.54 | tordy | damn where da heck is eck |
| 20:21.56 | Motive | it's unlikely that one player's hacked ELO would win a game |
| 20:21.57 | Motive | anyways |
| 20:22.01 | Hati | and you are there withh your super sneaky 0 elo |
| 20:22.12 | tordy | alright im gonna called it subgame collection |
| 20:22.15 | Motive | and it's impossible to get 0 ELO anyways, fairly sure. xD |
| 20:22.17 | tordy | or subco! |
| 20:22.20 | Dekar- | or im a griefer |
| 20:22.20 | Motive | 1500* |
| 20:22.23 | Dekar- | and make my elo high |
| 20:22.25 | Jack[RCDF2 | Oh gey, bnet forums are down. Sixen, if you're there, you have to do a bit of work after copying to get it to work properly. |
| 20:22.27 | Dekar- | and then fail to help my team |
| 20:22.31 | Dekar- | so my team always loses |
| 20:22.35 | Dekar- | and they use elo |
| 20:22.38 | Hati | Motive: I take the bet! |
| 20:22.40 | Dekar- | without any way to prevent it |
| 20:22.46 | Dekar- | and then they start to whine |
| 20:22.48 | Dekar- | and flame me |
| 20:22.49 | Jack[RCDF2 | Like making sure the models are named and linked correctly. |
| 20:22.52 | Dekar- | while i troll them |
| 20:23.23 | Jack[RCDF2 | What map or game are you talking about? |
| 20:23.24 | tordy | how much greater is the lag in a 12 player map compared to a 4 player map |
| 20:23.47 | tordy | damn, so much for my subgame collection plan |
| 20:23.48 | Motive | 0 |
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| 20:23.51 | Sixen | ? |
| 20:23.58 | Motive | Battle.net isn't P2P. |
| 20:23.59 | tordy | i was thinking about having 3 instance of 4 player matches |
| 20:24.00 | Jack[RCDF2 | Nvmit's back |
| 20:24.01 | Dekar- | depends on your connection |
| 20:24.09 | tordy | yea it isn't |
| 20:24.12 | Motive | Depends on Battle.net's connection* |
| 20:24.14 | Motive | which is constant |
| 20:24.27 | Hati | well fixed lag |
| 20:24.30 | tordy | but if one person lags done we have to wait for them? |
| 20:24.31 | Dekar- | if you cant cope with the data sent to you from 12 players |
| 20:24.33 | Dekar- | D: |
| 20:24.41 | Motive | 1 player can lag any game of > 0 players |
| 20:24.44 | Motive | that's constant too |
| 20:24.55 | Motive | so lag does not increase as players increase |
| 20:24.59 | tordy | so it moreso depends on the player's computer? |
| 20:25.00 | Dekar- | no wai |
| 20:25.07 | tordy | since all games are synced right |
| 20:25.11 | Motive | essentially |
| 20:25.18 | Motive | more players != more lag |
| 20:25.22 | Dekar- | but players have more units and give more orders |
| 20:25.30 | Dekar- | there is no way the data can stay the same |
| 20:25.32 | tordy | yea that's what im mainly referring to |
| 20:25.39 | tordy | i was thinking about having 3 instance of 4 player matches |
| 20:25.47 | tordy | which means there'll be 3 times as many units |
| 20:25.49 | montagg | Need a hand with the data editor if someone has a second. |
| 20:26.00 | Motive | If I eat 3x as many cookies today I won't have 3x the blood sugar |
| 20:26.13 | Dekar- | well, more players with larger map increase the system requirements for your map |
| 20:26.14 | Motive | units on screen doesn't necessarily increase lag either |
| 20:26.24 | tordy | units offscreen |
| 20:26.25 | Motive | and I wouldn't say it increases the system requirements substantially either |
| 20:26.31 | montagg | Trying to get a Banshee to drop bombs as it moves, sort of like the Hyperion, but just giving it the Hyperion's weapons doesnt seem to work. |
| 20:26.43 | Motive | I played Phantom 8 players with 200 units maxed, not to mention the projectiles, etc, and I never lagged on a Mac Mini with 2 GB of RAM |
| 20:26.44 | Motive | You'll be fine. |
| 20:26.56 | Ashamed_ | your fine |
| 20:27.00 | tordy | but your framerate suffered |
| 20:27.07 | Motive | yes but I never lagged the game |
| 20:27.10 | tordy | ok |
| 20:27.14 | tordy | that's all i need to kno |
| 20:27.20 | tordy | did anyone lag |
| 20:27.22 | montagg | It fires the Hyperion's weapons on a specific target, but it doesn't shoot and move at the same time. Moving flag is set on weapons, though. Any idea what's going on? |
| 20:27.24 | tordy | did anyone else lag |
| 20:27.59 | Dekar- | if you make something like melee games you probably dont need to care very much |
| 20:28.03 | Motive | nobody lagged |
| 20:28.14 | Dekar- | but if you have a custom map with times where a lot is going on |
| 20:28.20 | Dekar- | triggers and skills going off |
| 20:28.25 | Motive | triggers don't really lag |
| 20:28.30 | Motive | skills are basically melee anyways |
| 20:28.33 | Dekar- | god |
| 20:28.38 | Dekar- | when i have a trigger that spawns 200 units |
| 20:28.41 | Dekar- | it sure does lag |
| 20:28.43 | tordy | ^ |
| 20:28.43 | Dekar- | -_- |
| 20:28.51 | Motive | Not really :/ |
| 20:28.53 | Motive | 200 units is nothing on SC2 |
| 20:28.57 | Dekar- | 200 different units |
| 20:29.04 | Dekar- | with models that are not preloaded |
| 20:29.05 | Motive | Maybe for a split second while it loads the textures or something |
| 20:29.14 | Dekar- | it will hang for 15 seconds |
| 20:29.18 | Dekar- | at least |
| 20:29.20 | bone123 | lag is not low fps |
| 20:29.27 | Motive | then you're doing something wrong |
| 20:29.31 | Motive | or have a very, very, very bad PC |
| 20:29.32 | tordy | wassup motive |
| 20:29.33 | bone123 | lag is high ping |
| 20:30.08 | Dekar- | well they are 2 kinds of lag |
| 20:30.19 | tordy | butt plug |
| 20:30.23 | Dekar- | if you have "graphic lag" you cant send out the data fast enough |
| 20:30.31 | Dekar- | so you do lag |
| 20:30.47 | Motive | if you have local lag, unless it's your processor lagging, you won't lag the other players. |
| 20:30.50 | bone123 | isn't there an englsish word for it? if you've got low fps |
| 20:30.56 | Motive | if you have internet lag, welcome to everyone getting slower |
| 20:31.02 | tordy | sweet |
| 20:31.05 | bone123 | *english |
| 20:31.16 | tordy | choppy? |
| 20:31.53 | tordy | sweet mang |
| 20:32.13 | montagg | Does the turret you specify have anything to do with whether or not a weapon can fire while moving, or is that just graphical? |
| 20:32.13 | tordy | should it be a 1v1 |
| 20:33.05 | bone123 | stutter ?! |
| 20:34.02 | tordy | nah stutter could be other things |
| 20:34.14 | tordy | that could result from hard drive loading of textures |
| 20:34.24 | tordy | not neccessarily framerate issues since that's more consistent |
| 20:34.44 | tordy | i think choppy is fine |
| 20:34.51 | bone123 | framedrop |
| 20:34.57 | tordy | when you say choppy, people will think low framerate |
| 20:35.28 | tordy | framedrop sounds like it refers to an instance of frame going from very high to very low very quickly |
| 20:35.45 | tordy | like |
| 20:35.50 | Dekar- | omg valve where is my highlander participation pin! |
| 20:36.09 | tordy | viewing the floor and then going into an high-action viiew w/ lots of effects |
| 20:36.16 | bone123 | 60 fps -> 200 units spawned -> 2 sec 3 fps -> 60 fps |
| 20:36.17 | JademusSreg | There can only be one! |
| 20:36.29 | JademusSreg | And apparently it isn't you. |
| 20:36.34 | tordy | yea that could be framedrop i guess |
| 20:36.36 | tordy | hi JademusSreg |
| 20:36.40 | JademusSreg | Hi. |
| 20:38.53 | Ashamed_ | hi jademusreg |
| 20:39.40 | Jack[RCDF2 | Is bnet foruns acting all screwy to anyobe else? |
| 20:39.48 | Jack[RCDF2 | Anyone* |
| 20:40.06 | Jack[RCDF2 | Forums* |
| 20:40.24 | Motive | Anyone on EU want to help test my map and help me get some players? xD |
| 20:40.53 | tordy | i would |
| 20:40.57 | tordy | if i was on EU |
| 20:40.58 | Motive | I know you're awake there in London >=( |
| 20:41.14 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 20:41.22 | bone123 | come and play my map^^ |
| 20:41.29 | tordy | how hard would it be to make a 7 subgames |
| 20:41.36 | Motive | good with organization, not hard |
| 20:41.43 | tordy | i mean not hard |
| 20:41.49 | tordy | how hard to make it run good |
| 20:41.53 | tordy | there's gonna 14 players |
| 20:41.58 | Motive | not hard |
| 20:42.01 | tordy | each particiating in 7 matches |
| 20:42.01 | Motive | don't even worry about it |
| 20:42.10 | tordy | im worrying about the performance issues :[ |
| 20:42.14 | Motive | don't |
| 20:42.27 | Motive | people on SC2Mapster over-value optimization and performance issues |
| 20:42.32 | tordy | that's true |
| 20:42.33 | Motive | just don't do things like spawn 200 units at once and you'll be fine |
| 20:42.39 | tordy | optimiztion is the root of all evil |
| 20:42.40 | tordy | i know that |
| 20:42.41 | tordy | bt |
| 20:42.42 | bone123 | but but but |
| 20:42.48 | Motive | optimization is good, but over-optimizing is just as bad |
| 20:43.04 | tordy | because it sacrifices maintainability |
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| 20:43.12 | bone123 | as software engineer I have to or I'm feeling bad |
| 20:43.14 | tordy | and flexibility |
| 20:43.22 | Motive | just design with O(1) or (n) runtime and don't worry about the rest |
| 20:43.23 | Motive | :P |
| 20:43.27 | tordy | only optimize when you got the damn thing functioning |
| 20:43.44 | tordy | or just start w/ a good design |
| 20:43.47 | tordy | that's the hard part :[ |
| 20:44.02 | tordy | 200 units spawning at once could potentially happen in thsi map :[ |
| 20:44.11 | tordy | if there's 7 subgames |
| 20:44.15 | bone123 | psycho for example had to optimize, he hit the code limit |
| 20:44.15 | Motive | not likely |
| 20:44.25 | Motive | just do it, tordy |
| 20:44.27 | Motive | don't worry about it |
| 20:44.29 | Motive | you'll be fine |
| 20:44.30 | tordy | for my map at least |
| 20:44.33 | tordy | since it's all about spawning |
| 20:45.04 | Motive | why the fuck is LF Custom Games channel all a bunch of meleers? |
| 20:45.05 | Motive | :( |
| 20:45.07 | tordy | alright lemme give you nexus wars example |
| 20:45.08 | Motive | god damnit EU |
| 20:45.13 | tordy | nexus wars is 4v4 |
| 20:45.34 | tordy | instead make it 1v1 but w/ same amount of unit production as a 4v4 |
| 20:45.40 | tordy | now make 7 instances of those 1v1 |
| 20:45.42 | tordy | how laggy would it get |
| 20:45.47 | tordy | so thats what |
| 20:45.53 | Motive | don't worry about it, tordy |
| 20:46.05 | tordy | potentially 2100 units alive siimultaneously? |
| 20:46.13 | Motive | if you worry about the LCD of players, you'll end up with the LCD of maps |
| 20:46.14 | Motive | ie. shit |
| 20:46.19 | Motive | be bold |
| 20:46.24 | tordy | AND CHALLENGE |
| 20:46.27 | tordy | AUTHORITY |
| 20:46.48 | Motive | that or you'll end up with Debates and nobody will play it |
| 20:47.01 | tordy | oh my god i remember spine crawler defense |
| 20:47.06 | tordy | laggiest map ive ever played |
| 20:47.20 | tordy | 8 players |
| 20:47.27 | tordy | but each player w/ over 500 units |
| 20:47.40 | tordy | and then there's the creep that spawns each wave |
| 20:47.56 | tordy | i was looking at nothing and still getting 2fps |
| 20:48.04 | tordy | all units offscreen |
| 20:48.53 | Ashamed_ | i hate the last 30 minutes of my shift :( |
| 20:50.07 | Ashamed_ | i just thought of a map to have bigger armies without lag. :) |
| 20:50.12 | Ashamed_ | cuz you guys are talking about it |
| 20:50.31 | montagg | Sweet. Fixed the problem. Was using the Battlecruiser weapon instead of Hyperion. |
| 20:50.46 | Ashamed_ | make 1 unit then make a unit that is x10 stronger and make it count as 10 units :) |
| 20:50.48 | tordy | what map |
| 20:50.56 | Ashamed_ | and even go to like 25 |
| 20:50.56 | tordy | laaaame |
| 20:51.00 | Ashamed_ | x25 times |
| 20:51.07 | tordy | it ruins the scale of epicness! |
| 20:51.16 | Ashamed_ | thats not lame.. that actually seems like it would work |
| 20:51.22 | montagg | Now, how to make the Hyperion weapon fire missiles instead of lasers⦠|
| 20:51.24 | tordy | yea it could |
| 20:51.28 | Ashamed_ | well still let them get like 200-300 units |
| 20:51.28 | tordy | but too much work |
| 20:51.31 | Ashamed_ | but if its x25 units |
| 20:51.31 | Motive | it already does fire missiles, montagg |
| 20:51.32 | Motive | :) |
| 20:51.33 | tordy | since there could be so many units |
| 20:51.35 | Motive | the missiles are in laser form |
| 20:51.39 | Motive | but they're projectiles |
| 20:51.44 | Ashamed_ | it would be more like 5000 units |
| 20:52.08 | Ashamed_ | like you can combined armies |
| 20:52.10 | Ashamed_ | so if you have 10 like units |
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| 20:52.13 | montagg | Motive: Exactly. I need the art to be a Banshee missile instead of the Hyperion laser missile. Figuring out where that gets defined. |
| 20:52.17 | JademusSreg | Motive, I used Hyperion to kill invulnerable units because its splash search doesn't filter out invulnerable. Only damage reduction beats it. =D |
| 20:52.20 | Ashamed_ | they can turn into an army of 10.. but then its only 1 unit |
| 20:52.29 | Motive | actors, change the hyperion missile |
| 20:52.36 | Motive | yup Jademus. It's crazy :D |
| 20:52.38 | Motive | Hyperion is rigged |
| 20:52.45 | JademusSreg | Yup. |
| 20:52.50 | Ashamed_ | i might try to make soemthing like that actually |
| 20:52.54 | montagg | JademusSreg: Really? Interesting. Probably should make sure my new gun doesn't do that. |
| 20:53.07 | JademusSreg | It's Yamato Cannon, montagg. |
| 20:53.18 | JademusSreg | Its normal weapon works as expected. |
| 20:53.21 | Ashamed_ | i need feed back guys! |
| 20:53.24 | Ashamed_ | what do you think ? |
| 20:53.29 | Motive | sounds horrible |
| 20:53.31 | JademusSreg | Think about what? |
| 20:53.36 | montagg | JademusSreg: Ahh, I see. |
| 20:53.58 | Ashamed_ | really motive :( or you being sarcastic |
| 20:54.11 | Motive | I never like reducing units by representing them as groups of units |
| 20:54.31 | Ashamed_ | why ? |
| 20:54.36 | Motive | just seems ugly to me |
| 20:54.37 | Motive | Lol |
| 20:54.53 | Ashamed_ | it does but it could make a cool game the requires much more unit building and shit |
| 20:54.56 | JademusSreg | Motive, I also use AutoTestAttacker units to kill. Too bad they have a minimap radius or they would be completely unnoticable. |
| 20:55.06 | Motive | Haha |
| 20:55.06 | Ashamed_ | so you can mass create units |
| 20:58.37 | Motive | :| |
| 20:58.50 | Motive | I wish it weren't so hard to recruit people to join a damn game |
| 20:59.32 | tordy | why is it hard |
| 20:59.36 | tordy | you got us! |
| 20:59.41 | tordy | and EU |
| 20:59.43 | tordy | at your fingertips! |
| 20:59.51 | Motive | Not really :P |
| 21:00.02 | Motive | EU Custom Map channel is just a bunch of meleers looking for 1v1d |
| 21:00.08 | Motive | SC2Mapster on EU is empty |
| 21:00.11 | Motive | and most EU people are idle here |
| 21:00.15 | Helral | meow |
| 21:00.23 | JademusSreg | Motive, also, you may want to look into ways of removing certain kinds of dead units, like the Drakken Laser Drill, anything that leaves behind an actor and actor. |
| 21:00.23 | Motive | and Up and Coming is just the same maps, repeated over and over again. |
| 21:00.29 | JademusSreg | *footprint and actor |
| 21:00.36 | Motive | @removearea removes some of them |
| 21:00.55 | Helral | I just did 2 TLS games. |
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| 21:02.23 | Helral | why did you leave us earlier, Sixen ;p we missed you *grins* |
| 21:05.59 | Ashamed_ | you guys dont have a channel in eu for sc2 mapster? |
| 21:07.20 | Motive | sc2mapster |
| 21:07.23 | Motive | it's just empty |
| 21:07.23 | Motive | :P |
| 21:07.36 | Ashamed_ | well mby if you guys stayed in it |
| 21:07.38 | Ashamed_ | :) |
| 21:07.40 | Ashamed_ | there is alot of EU users |
| 21:08.31 | Motive | NA is empty too |
| 21:08.34 | Motive | atm at least |
| 21:08.47 | Ashamed_ | nubz |
| 21:10.04 | tordy | hi Ashamed_ |
| 21:10.22 | Ashamed_ | hi :) |
| 21:11.24 | Kalekin | Helral, how much time did you spend on SC2Layout files till you got it? :p |
| 21:11.39 | tordy | helral is gonna say meow days |
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| 21:14.08 | Ashamed_ | MEOW |
| 21:22.44 | Motive | Lol. I need EU friends :( |
| 21:22.52 | Kalekin | ? |
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| 21:23.52 | tordy | testing |
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| 22:00.46 | Stewox | hey |
| 22:00.47 | Stewox | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:01.51 | Stewox | is there possible to release a map with an attached mod , but then via map scripts call other maps all users should have to run with that mod , so i dont' have to upload like 10 maps just to have my mod used on them |
| 22:02.09 | Stewox | it's a kind of mod that is not level-specific |
| 22:03.48 | Stewox | im going to first make a mod and then attach it to a map , so that means i would have to open up any map and upload that also , not sure how it works , but i guess there's not a lot of to choose since ... these are the early times of BNET 0,3 |
| 22:12.18 | Stewox | anyone |
| 22:17.06 | Stewox | how would I spawn a EGG with a certain unit already hatching |
| 22:17.40 | Sixen | I don't get what you were asking above, Stewox |
| 22:17.48 | Sixen | You can attach a mod to as many maps as you want |
| 22:18.21 | Stewox | yeah, that's fine, but do i have to upload my version of that maps or any maps on BNET ? (mine as well as blizzards ?) |
| 22:18.36 | Sixen | any map you want to use that mod, you need to upload :P |
| 22:18.40 | Stewox | without having to have them in my published documents |
| 22:18.47 | Stewox | ah.. |
| 22:18.54 | Stewox | oka |
| 22:18.56 | Stewox | y |
| 22:19.02 | Sixen | Noper, they have to be published by you, or whoever else has them and applies your mod |
| 22:19.02 | Sixen | =| |
| 22:19.58 | Stewox | so if i upload a mod of 50 Megabytes, for example , and another guy has a 50 MB map , we can use this to merge ? |
| 22:20.19 | Sixen | I'm not sure if e can currently use mods from other people |
| 22:20.33 | Stewox | but maps are ? |
| 22:20.46 | Stewox | probably if the guy agrees ... |
| 22:21.03 | Stewox | anyways not even there yet , im just making it now |
| 22:21.20 | Tolkfan | I think the brood war mod uses multiple accounts to get around the limit |
| 22:21.48 | Stewox | you got any idea , simple way of laying an egg , like a larva but it's just an egg with a specific unit hatching , and only a specified unit , (via ability) |
| 22:22.33 | Stewox | well that's great form blizz, atleast some way to break TEH LIMITZ |
| 22:22.35 | Stewox | heh |
| 22:23.08 | Tolkfan | spawn larva, order it to morph into chosen unit? =] |
| 22:23.32 | Stewox | i think it would be to lay a larva and then make a trigger to instantly start a specific unit to hatch from that larva , it's like a workaround , i think this is the fastest way |
| 22:23.46 | Stewox | hahaha ... |
| 22:23.50 | Stewox | exactly |
| 22:25.01 | Stewox | ok |
| 22:26.24 | Stewox | how about , this 2 things working on tonight , .. should i make a switch in data or triggers , like an on/off , to switch between effects/behaviors , for example , creep generator behavior ... should be used as buttons for player to click |
| 22:27.26 | Tolkfan | I don't do data editor |
| 22:27.48 | Tolkfan | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vlEavUH9ng it's like doing this, only worse |
| 22:28.19 | Stewox | but on another side , a dynamic button, so i don't need to use 2 command bar slots , you know , burrow and unburrow has this i think (command bar update behavior imo ?) |
| 22:30.08 | Stewox | ah used to watch that guy just to see what the heck he's doing , eating is fun but the show is a ... scripted and i think Ray Mears is still better :P |
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| 22:44.48 | Tolkfan | has anyone actually managed to ever recruit anyone on the... team recruitment forums? :PPP |
| 22:45.04 | Motive | Sixen! |
| 22:45.06 | Motive | How could you?! |
| 22:45.09 | Motive | You're wrong :( |
| 22:45.15 | Motive | Maps can have dependencies on mods that are not published by you. |
| 22:45.27 | Motive | I do that for the Cortex series of maps. I publish a mod, and they all depend on it. |
| 22:45.31 | Stewox | yeah , that's great then ! |
| 22:45.42 | Sixen | Can they, Motive? |
| 22:45.44 | Sixen | I said Iw asn't sure |
| 22:45.45 | Motive | Yup, 100% sure. |
| 22:46.04 | Motive | Haha, ok. I guess that precludes you from being wrong. :) |
| 22:46.12 | Tolkfan | does it auto-update to the newest version of the mod? |
| 22:46.17 | Motive | No it does not. |
| 22:46.26 | Tolkfan | that would be too easy! |
| 22:46.49 | Tolkfan | just like cross-region publishing :] |
| 22:47.28 | Motive | One caution though |
| 22:47.42 | Motive | Blizzard is silly. If you use a Mod to put in Galaxy files, it won't work. |
| 22:47.47 | Motive | They're apparently not part of the MPQ tree. -.- |
| 22:48.03 | Stewox | how do you mean galaxy files |
| 22:48.09 | Stewox | scripts ? |
| 22:48.10 | Motive | Files ending in .galaxy |
| 22:48.11 | Motive | Yes |
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| 22:48.35 | Tolkfan | well, just do it in GUI :> |
| 22:48.45 | Motive | Fuck GUI. :P |
| 22:48.46 | Motive | With a stick. |
| 22:49.11 | Stewox | yeah i think gui is not perfect still |
| 22:49.24 | Motive | A long and pointy stick. |
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| 22:49.42 | Stewox | but now they're using enums which is silly again for the manual editing, finding what A9GF98D77B8F7DG means |
| 22:50.04 | Tolkfan | I like the GUI :< |
| 22:50.47 | Tolkfan | please beat the data editor with that stick |
| 22:50.58 | Stewox | it's a powerful gui , but it's not what blizzard was saying as so great whole wide world , you still can't make REAL TC mods with it |
| 22:52.03 | Tolkfan | you can do TC with raw galaxy code? |
| 22:52.13 | Motive | you can do TC with GUI, too |
| 22:52.15 | Motive | it's just not easy |
| 22:52.22 | Stewox | ofcourse not |
| 22:52.22 | Motive | but then again, what did you expect? drag and drop TC? :P |
| 22:52.31 | Stewox | come on |
| 22:52.36 | Stewox | we both know this is bnet 0.2 |
| 22:52.40 | Stewox | or now ... 0.3 |
| 22:52.57 | Motive | I have no issues with bnet 2.0 other than the stupid as fuck custom game system |
| 22:53.02 | Motive | I like the centralized publishing system |
| 22:53.03 | Stewox | this is really just the beginning of what they have to offer |
| 22:53.21 | Stewox | did you played 1.3 patch ? |
| 22:53.25 | Stewox | custom game room ? |
| 22:53.35 | Motive | yes |
| 22:53.37 | Motive | it didn't fix a thing |
| 22:53.44 | Stewox | well now it's a lot better |
| 22:53.48 | Motive | Fun or Not more often than not is not. |
| 22:53.54 | Stewox | but still ... i realize what people miss form wc3 |
| 22:53.57 | Stewox | and .. sc1 |
| 22:53.59 | Motive | and Up & Coming is more like, the games that have been played 100 times and gotten 100 rating |
| 22:54.04 | Motive | and or already on the front page |
| 22:54.11 | Motive | also w/ duplicates |
| 22:54.17 | Motive | cause you know, what would a list be w/o duplicates? |
| 22:54.49 | Stewox | a search function is what was probably the most important thing to me |
| 22:54.58 | Tolkfan | I want a "I don't want to play any more TDs" button, just that |
| 22:55.00 | Motive | a search funcion to get to games nobody's playing :) |
| 22:55.19 | Stewox | back to the TC modding , sixen and I were trying to get talking with guys together for making a real Mod loader, |
| 22:55.22 | Stewox | listen now |
| 22:55.26 | Stewox | the idea is |
| 22:56.10 | Motive | TC shouldn't be too hard, just drop the Liberty dependency and make your own TC mod with the files you need it to have, then make the map dependent on that instead. |
| 22:56.46 | Stewox | that you actually need the whole game's data/scripts/whatever assets extracted into a single big folder structure that you can edit freely and then , if the struture is preserved correctly , put that into the MPQ and should replace EVERYTHING else (if configured ) |
| 22:57.21 | Motive | what? o_O |
| 22:57.25 | Stewox | because, The Editor has as file size saving feature , also , without it would be impossible to make these popular map-mods, and this seamless system , |
| 22:57.27 | Stewox | yes |
| 22:57.32 | Stewox | continuing... |
| 22:58.37 | Stewox | the editor currently doesn't have capability to diable this or to extract the data out or anything that a mod loader should do , that's why big modders aren't and never did hook up with blizzards games, that's why you still see General Zero Hour and other RTS getttning those big mods |
| 22:59.09 | Sixen | Motive: I'm thinking back during the beta days, we create our own BuildXXXXX folder :P |
| 22:59.20 | JademusSreg | Ah yes. |
| 22:59.23 | Motive | Ah yeah that makes sense |
| 22:59.27 | Motive | Patch over the old stuff. |
| 22:59.31 | Stewox | you really can't make a TC mod if the data is not available to you to see , these "mods" what editor saves are only changes linked to a dependency , |
| 23:00.04 | Motive | still I think there should be a better way, assuming you can make a base dependency for maps to inherit from |
| 23:00.14 | JademusSreg | Sure. Too bad C&C gameplay is bland. |
| 23:00.16 | Stewox | plus the GUI doesn't have all those params/features integrated, there's probably some undetected and missing ... |
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| 23:00.36 | Mexa | n hi |
| 23:00.40 | Sixen | o/ |
| 23:01.05 | Stewox | cause i happen to come from C&C , there was so little mod support, but it was still encouraging , you can get to the whole INIS and just mod mod mod |
| 23:01.49 | JademusSreg | SC1 still does require such lengths to mod. |
| 23:02.01 | JademusSreg | SEMPQs. =D |
| 23:03.12 | Stewox | because SC2 has scripts used inside the game , there should be instruction to make those manually and add them to MPQ manually , the big mods need this whole data to work with, so you can see everything , plus , a TC mod means that a lot if not all gets rewritten anyways so there's no reason of "saving" megabytes |
| 23:03.38 | JademusSreg | Anyway, such lengths are not unknown to the Blizzard modding community. |
| 23:04.18 | Mexa | lengths? |
| 23:04.22 | Stewox | ive had trouble to explain this to blizzard modders but this is how you do it in "RAW" , sixen however understand what im trying to say ... it's also there on sc2mapster (custom MPQ for TC modding) |
| 23:04.34 | Mexa | care to rewind for me :>? |
| 23:04.52 | Stewox | (well now im also blizzard , since EA's C&C's dead , long time for me) |
| 23:04.54 | JademusSreg | The increase for support in general with each successive game has deemphasized the demand for more extensive, less convenient modding. |
| 23:05.24 | JademusSreg | For example, one could compare the number of MPQs/SEMPQs created for SC1 vs WC3. |
| 23:05.24 | Stewox | what mexa |
| 23:05.36 | Sixen | haha, SC1 modding was badass. |
| 23:05.44 | Mexa | Just asking about the topic |
| 23:06.05 | JademusSreg | I can think of maybe 3 mods and TCs that relied on MPQs swapping or SEMPQs. |
| 23:06.18 | JademusSreg | * For wc3. |
| 23:06.42 | JademusSreg | Whereas it was standard protocol dfor SC1 modding. =) |
| 23:07.21 | Stewox | Motive , dependency is a fancy name , it's been confusing me a lot in the beginning , it's just the official data file , and these "blizzard-style" mods (mod-maps) are "depending" on it that's why it has this name |
| 23:07.30 | JademusSreg | I used to make mods that defined custom game types by messing with the bitflags. |
| 23:08.15 | JademusSreg | Of course, most people were not keen to shared control greed games. |
| 23:08.50 | Stewox | it wont be "dependency" anymore when you make TC mod , but linking a map to the mod is then again , this is just the wording context |
| 23:10.15 | JademusSreg | (Modding RA2 to add Terran Marines was significantly more amusing than most of the stuff I made in SC1.) |
| 23:10.38 | Mexa | Motive |
| 23:10.47 | Mexa | putting galaxyfiles in a mod do work. |
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| 23:11.49 | RodOfNOD | hey |
| 23:11.53 | Mexa | hey |
| 23:11.55 | JademusSreg | Rod o'Nod. |
| 23:11.56 | RodOfNOD | anyone awake i havea quick ? |
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| 23:12.14 | RodOfNOD | moveable dialog boxes what is the current state of art anyone? |
| 23:12.30 | JademusSreg | You mean like drag moving? |
| 23:12.39 | RodOfNOD | yea |
| 23:12.47 | JademusSreg | I hear ity has been done. |
| 23:12.58 | Mexa | Are you thinking of the "modal" parameter |
| 23:12.58 | RodOfNOD | links? |
| 23:13.00 | JademusSreg | Ryan or DarRev mentioned it last night. |
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| 23:13.09 | Mexa | or nevermind |
| 23:13.29 | JademusSreg | I can think of how it could be done. |
| 23:13.41 | RodOfNOD | listens..... |
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| 23:14.14 | JademusSreg | Using a mouse click event, you can get the current position of the cursor in the UI plane. |
| 23:14.37 | RodOfNOD | how do u let go? |
| 23:14.40 | RodOfNOD | oh click down |
| 23:14.42 | RodOfNOD | then click up |
| 23:14.49 | RodOfNOD | and only on a tiny box that is in a corner |
| 23:14.56 | JademusSreg | Then you can track the mouse movement across the ui plane and move the dialog relative to the cursor position in the dialog when the mouse was clicked. |
| 23:14.59 | JademusSreg | Did that makes sense? |
| 23:15.03 | RodOfNOD | yep |
| 23:15.10 | RodOfNOD | forgot aboout the new ui plane mouse event |
| 23:15.27 | RodOfNOD | ty |
| 23:15.42 | JademusSreg | I've got a script for capturing input on mapster, if you want to use that for input flagging. |
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| 23:15.45 | Stewox | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:16.46 | JademusSreg | Common practice is to use triggers to flag input states and use a trigger execute iwth a infinite loop with a Wait 0 to work with the input states. |
| 23:17.33 | Tolkfan | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/data/8937-data-flipping-doodad/ does anyone have an answer to this? :] |
| 23:17.59 | JademusSreg | Tolk, no, it is a huge pain in the ass and I have yet to see a solution. |
| 23:18.15 | Stewox | Jademus , what's SEMPQ ? |
| 23:18.22 | JademusSreg | But if anyone would know, ProzaicMuse would. |
| 23:18.37 | JademusSreg | Stew, Self Executing MPQ. |
| 23:18.48 | Stewox | not seen it in sc2 |
| 23:18.57 | Tolkfan | well, Prozaic seemed to know how to filp doodads :( |
| 23:18.57 | Stewox | yet |
| 23:19.07 | JademusSreg | It's been used for mods for SC1, Diablo 2, WC3, and maybe some other games. |
| 23:19.14 | Stewox | em , that's the special mpq to put TC mod in or what ? |
| 23:19.38 | Stewox | not necessairly .. i wuld say |
| 23:19.44 | JademusSreg | It's an application one runs that runs the program with custom MPQs. |
| 23:20.13 | Stewox | to be on the same page , what im after is the "whole dump of the data and scripts" |
| 23:20.32 | JademusSreg | It removes the need to manually swap MPQs, easier than using a Mod Loader. |
| 23:21.11 | JademusSreg | Unfortunately, the program for making SEMPQs is so old and shoddy, you're better off writing your own program to do it. |
| 23:21.11 | Stewox | also about .galaxy , i tested manual scripting and it didn't work , editor always overwrote the .galaxy file |
| 23:21.22 | JademusSreg | Of course it does. |
| 23:21.27 | Motive | bad practice to use mapscript.galaxy |
| 23:21.30 | JademusSreg | Mapscript is generated. |
| 23:21.34 | JademusSreg | Read only by the game. |
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| 23:22.01 | Stewox | i di , saved the file and there , saved the mpq ,opened with editor and nothing , GUI didn't update either |
| 23:22.19 | Stewox | encrypted ? |
| 23:22.21 | Motive | why would it...? |
| 23:22.24 | Stewox | diff dormat ? |
| 23:22.31 | Motive | GUI only generates Galaxy |
| 23:22.32 | Motive | not vice versa |
| 23:22.32 | Stewox | format |
| 23:22.42 | Stewox | oh lol more complexit |
| 23:23.03 | JademusSreg | Like I said. |
| 23:23.08 | Stewox | i was smelling that so i just didn't want to use editor for advanced scripting |
| 23:23.12 | JademusSreg | Read by the game, not the editor. =) |
| 23:23.34 | Motive | Ok guys. I'd really like to give my map that nice "bump |
| 23:23.37 | Motive | on EU |
| 23:23.39 | Stewox | i just don't understand the english and maths and the editor it self to be using GUI |
| 23:23.44 | Motive | so please, if anyone's not doing anything on EU |
| 23:23.45 | Motive | lemme know. |
| 23:23.47 | JademusSreg | I mean, it even says it in the comments at the top of the script. =D |
| 23:24.14 | Stewox | im on EU ? |
| 23:24.23 | Stewox | w/o ? |
| 23:24.34 | Stewox | ye , im on EU |
| 23:24.50 | Motive | Willing to help me get actual players for my map? xD |
| 23:24.52 | Stewox | so Jademus |
| 23:25.57 | Motive | PhantomCraft has an 86 rating on EU. It needs moar! :( |
| 23:26.04 | Stewox | I also copied into the scripts Editor viewer (debugger) that was fine , but editing was like .... brb 1 min |
| 23:26.21 | JademusSreg | Wakka wakka |
| 23:26.57 | JademusSreg | There are 2 ways I suggest going about scripting. One is obvious, using New -> New Custom Script in the editor. This works for small scale projects. |
| 23:27.26 | JademusSreg | The other was discovered by Motive, using the SC2Components save type to unfold the contents of the map mpq to a directory. |
| 23:27.45 | JademusSreg | He can elaborate further on that. =) |
| 23:28.05 | Motive | You save as SC2ComponentsList, you put your .galaxy files in a folder in that map folder (or in the root, whatever) |
| 23:28.14 | Motive | then just use a custom script to add the includes |
| 23:28.20 | Motive | the syntax editor will even compile check it for you |
| 23:28.21 | Motive | :D |
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| 23:29.30 | Motive | EU feels so lonely :( |
| 23:29.34 | Stewox | yes |
| 23:29.54 | Stewox | but , what is the Sc2Components extension |
| 23:30.09 | Stewox | this is only a namecaller for the folder |
| 23:30.12 | Motive | File -> Save As |
| 23:30.13 | Motive | Be amazed. |
| 23:30.22 | Stewox | there's a different format file inside the mpq |
| 23:30.52 | Stewox | i remember, it's XML , but it has SC2Component extension , not a folder named Something.SC2ComponentList |
| 23:30.58 | Stewox | without "list" |
| 23:31.09 | Motive | yes, save as SC2ComponentList :P |
| 23:31.13 | Motive | then its a folder |
| 23:31.14 | Motive | and voila |
| 23:31.16 | Stewox | ah.. |
| 23:31.16 | Motive | hax |
| 23:31.21 | Stewox | i know that is that |
| 23:31.30 | Stewox | but was referring to sometihng else with similar name |
| 23:31.57 | Stewox | okay so saving as "sc2componentlist" is the same as opening up the mpq and extracting it ? |
| 23:32.08 | Motive | yes and no |
| 23:32.16 | Motive | the editor can actually work with it |
| 23:32.38 | Stewox | and with the manual mpq extract it can not ? |
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| 23:32.48 | Stewox | is the folder structure same or different ? |
| 23:32.50 | Motive | same |
| 23:32.54 | Stewox | ok |
| 23:33.02 | Stewox | what's the difference then ? |
| 23:33.19 | Stewox | other than what you already said |
| 23:34.04 | Stewox | I thought you would aske me to upload a map for you heh |
| 23:34.17 | Stewox | not now ... it's 1 getting late here |
| 23:35.31 | Motive | Anyone else from EU willing to help me? :( |
| 23:35.33 | Mexa | Motive, please elaborate |
| 23:35.46 | Motive | I have a Phantom map that I've uploaded to EU |
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| 23:35.51 | Motive | and I'd like to get some people together for a game |
| 23:35.58 | Mexa | I'm on eu. |
| 23:35.59 | Motive | if only to bump it up a bit on the list. I know it's good, it just needs people to see it. |
| 23:36.19 | Motive | I don't have any other players atm but if you're willing to help me search I can throw you an invite |
| 23:36.37 | Mexa | I have no one to search for though. |
| 23:36.45 | Motive | lol :( |
| 23:36.47 | Motive | forever alone on EU |
| 23:37.11 | Motive | apparently people don't like phantom here because some bad version of it got to the front page >< |
| 23:38.50 | Stewox | JademusSerg so you are familiar with what i meant "a whole dump of the game's data" , it would be great if we could also find all the trigger/script libs and the scripts that also control the game (global settings / constants for example) , also a straight forward approach to scripting would be nice, just like you get into XML , in that way GAX should work , just a matter finding a way to do it manually, all that without editor , |
| 23:39.22 | Stewox | the editor willl see it like another game file (dependency) |
| 23:40.16 | Mexa | It's funny, you can override the natives.galaxy file |
| 23:40.27 | Mexa | It's pointless though:P |
| 23:41.01 | Stewox | i was already experimenting with this and there's a beta "Sc2 modding resource" (screenshot picture) in Assets on Sc2mapster ( aka "custom TC mod mpq") |
| 23:41.09 | Motive | anyways, mexa, want to give me like 5 minutes of your time to see if I can spam and get enough people for a game? Lol |
| 23:41.25 | Mexa | Sure Motive, vouche me here when you have people |
| 23:41.31 | Motive | xD alright |
| 23:41.38 | Mexa | :> |
| 23:41.46 | Mexa | If you don't find any, I could come anyway |
| 23:41.48 | Stewox | I can't speell Jademus right , the irc doesn't detect him |
| 23:41.57 | Stewox | msg |
| 23:41.58 | Mexa | But tell me when |
| 23:42.05 | Motive | mmk |
| 23:42.43 | Sixen | Stewox: Link to that? I don't rememebr that :X |
| 23:42.59 | JademusSreg | I can't be pinged. |
| 23:43.01 | Mexa | Wait, what is TC meaning? |
| 23:43.05 | Motive | total conversion |
| 23:43.10 | Stewox | .. mod |
| 23:43.12 | Mexa | oh |
| 23:43.21 | Stewox | yes , wait sixen |
| 23:43.21 | Mexa | I got that |
| 23:43.23 | Mexa | :) |
| 23:43.25 | JademusSreg | Which is to say, people can't bother me by typing my name and making my irc client flash. |
| 23:43.38 | Mexa | oh no, you ddin't |
| 23:44.36 | JademusSreg | Nothing against anyone here, of course. Just during wc3 modding glory days, people would pop-in and spam ping me. |
| 23:44.57 | Stewox | http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/starcraft-2-basefile/ , that's the "TC folder strucutr" i was exprimenting with , but this is not the "whole data dump" |
| 23:45.39 | JademusSreg | Anyway, gotta go tend to my obligations. bbl |
| 23:45.40 | Stewox | now read jademus , what is said before than ,, there's a wall |
| 23:45.48 | Stewox | wait |
| 23:45.52 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 23:45.55 | Stewox | what time yu have |
| 23:46.03 | Sixen | ooohya |
| 23:46.03 | Stewox | GMT ? |
| 23:46.12 | JademusSreg | It is evening here. EST |
| 23:46.36 | Stewox | est ,,, hmm , how much is that in GMT ? |
| 23:46.37 | Stewox | :d |
| 23:46.40 | JademusSreg | My clienty is always running. |
| 23:47.03 | Stewox | okay , if you want TC modding talk join #SC2Modding |
| 23:47.19 | Stewox | ok bye |
| 23:47.20 | JademusSreg | Alright. bbl |
| 23:47.26 | Stewox | sixen , did you check that out |
| 23:47.31 | Stewox | probably are ,,, |
| 23:47.56 | *** join/#sc2mapster FireryRage (~FireryRag@98.143.103.185) |
| 23:48.41 | Stewox | i will be making te whole dump soon , but i would need some hacking help of course , the only problem is , Editor takes patches automatically , which means that patches have to be thorougly scanned and extracted |
| 23:49.09 | Stewox | these are standalone patches , don't waste time with older version , only the latest one , im 100% sure |
| 23:49.24 | Motive | bleh, mexa, I give up. Lol |
| 23:49.35 | Mexa | You don't want me either anymore? |
| 23:49.35 | Motive | It's been hours and I haven't been able to get a single person to actually join a game |
| 23:49.38 | Motive | xD |
| 23:49.51 | Motive | No use in a 2-player phantom match |
| 23:50.00 | Mexa | Alright |
| 23:50.06 | Motive | Thanks though |
| 23:50.18 | Mexa | Just vouche me whenever you need some assistance |
| 23:50.27 | Motive | I'll have to wait for EU map night or something |
| 23:53.01 | Mexa | okidoki |
| 23:55.05 | *** part/#sc2mapster Sixen (~Kevin@149-169-136-186.nat.asu.edu) |
| 23:55.19 | Motive | TIL Sixen's name is Kevin. |
| 23:55.37 | Stewox | damn sixen i don't have all night ! |
| 23:56.06 | Stewox | he's brb |
| 23:56.14 | Stewox | soon(tm) |
| 23:57.16 | Stewox | motice |
| 23:57.21 | Stewox | did you look the link |
| 23:57.22 | Stewox | http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/starcraft-2-basefile/ |
| 23:57.55 | Stewox | off topic : http://www.shrani.si/f/3/wS/2Q3VHobz/artosistastelesssc2edito.jpg |
