IRC log for #sc2mapster on 20110401

`00:00.08`	`deathnight114`	`I lost the game`
`00:00.09`	`JademusSreg`	`=(`
`00:00.10`	`deathnight114`	`;laksjdf`
`00:00.14`	`deathnight114`	`[17:00]<GeekyLink>it's a 2D rpg in the style of the old FF games`
`00:00.22`	`deathnight114`	`[17:00]<GeekyLink>the story isn't determined yet`
`00:00.44`	`Skizot`	`http://s-ak.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/terminal01/2011/3/29/17/enhanced-buzz-14911-1301433876-3.jpg`
`00:01.00`	`deathnight114`	`Um..`
`00:01.01`	`deathnight114`	`LOL`
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`00:01.33`	`deathnight114`	`If anyone's interested though, just pm me`
`00:02.21`	`MrOp`	`in what`
`00:02.39`	`deathnight114`	`Read up a bit @ MrOp`
`00:02.53`	`JademusSreg`	`Programmers should always have friends in the arts, like writing and visual media, because programmers, tragically, are not all polymaths of creative genius.`
`00:04.33`	`JademusSreg`	`So that when programmers get the itch to make add "Indie Game Developer" to the ol' resume, they can develop their ideas with the art folks together, rather than have art and story tacked on the end.`
`00:05.04`	`deathnight114`	`We have a few spriters`
`00:05.05`	`deathnight114`	`But not enough`
`00:05.07`	`deathnight114`	`lol`
`00:10.31`	`Ashamed`	`lol`
`00:10.41`	`Ashamed`	`the new paul movie is like a huge bash religion`
`00:10.43`	`Ashamed`	`its great`
`00:10.56`	`deathnight114`	`I love bashing religion, LOL`
`00:11.05`	`deathnight114`	`Just bein honest`
`00:11.07`	`deathnight114`	`xD`
`00:11.13`	`Ashamed`	`me too :)`
`00:11.13`	`JademusSreg`	`Sounds fun.`
`00:11.25`	`JademusSreg`	`Paul is another Judd Apatow film, yes?`
`00:11.35`	`JademusSreg`	`Starring an alien Seth Rogan, no less?`
`00:11.43`	`Ashamed`	`is judd apatow an england guy ?`
`00:11.50`	`Vexal`	`hello.`
`00:11.50`	`Ashamed`	`yeh seth is the alien`
`00:12.10`	`Ashamed`	`I am pretty sure its a UK film and that would make the religion bashing make sense`
`00:12.16`	`JademusSreg`	`Sounds like a golden press that prints money.`
`00:12.39`	`JademusSreg`	`Powered by diamonds, in the spirit of 1980's Mad Science.`
`00:14.34`	`JManV`	`its a funny movie`
`00:15.17`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes, I'm a fan.`
`00:15.56`	`JManV`	`simon pegg`
`00:16.21`	`JManV`	`as far as i can tell, judd apatow has no foot in it`
`00:16.57`	`JManV`	`<3 simon pegg`
`00:16.59`	`JademusSreg`	`Well, an alien Seth Rogen should still print money. Out of an alien orifice.`
`00:17.26`	`JManV`	`also, <3 kristin wiig`
`00:17.39`	`JManV`	`hilarious woman`
`00:18.03`	`JManV`	`very kooky. very do-able`
`00:18.15`	`JademusSreg`	`I am time travelling.`
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`00:18.47`	`JademusSreg`	`I've spent the past few days reading Zero Punctuation reviews in reverse chronological order.`
`00:19.04`	`Vexal`	`aren't they video reviews`
`00:19.10`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes.`
`00:19.15`	`Vexal`	`and you read them`
`00:19.33`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes. I've been reading the words in the videos.`
`00:19.38`	`JademusSreg`	`(Nice save.)`
`00:19.43`	`JManV`	`no`
`00:19.46`	`Vexal`	`did you just tell yourself nice save?`
`00:19.53`	`JademusSreg`	`No.`
`00:19.54`	`JademusSreg`	`(Nice save.)`
`00:19.59`	`JManV`	`no again`
`00:20.10`	`JManV`	`just saying "no", is never a nice save`
`00:20.19`	`JManV`	`NEVER!`
`00:20.23`	`Vexal`	`i got final fantasy 3 for iphone`
`00:20.39`	`JManV`	`is the minimap still that crappy 3d? :P`
`00:21.00`	`JManV`	`low res single flat texture ftw`
`00:21.10`	`JManV`	`mode 7 iirc`
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`00:21.33`	`JManV`	`like the racing in chornotrigger`
`00:21.40`	`JManV`	`that was hi-tech`
`00:22.02`	`Skizot`	`F-fucking-Zero`
`00:22.07`	`JManV`	`he`
`00:22.19`	`JManV`	`i have the carts for ff3 and chronotrigger`
`00:22.30`	`JManV`	`also super mario allstars :P`
`00:22.43`	`JManV`	`i used to have zelda, but some bitch...`
`00:23.42`	`JademusSreg`	`Go on. =D`
`00:23.53`	`JManV`	`borrowed and didn't return it`
`00:24.14`	`JManV`	`it was a boring story. i wanted your imagination to do all the work, but YOU RUINED IT!!!!`
`00:24.18`	`JManV`	`storms out of the room.`
`00:24.31`	`Vexal`	`it was remade in 3d`
`00:24.37`	`Vexal`	`they replaced all the 2d stuff with 3d models`
`00:24.56`	`JManV`	`really though, i nagged that bitch to return that cart for like an eternity`
`00:25.08`	`JManV`	`i really wanted my zelda cart back, and i genuinely thought she'd return it`
`00:25.18`	`Vexal`	`are you implying you know a girl that plays video games`
`00:25.32`	`JManV`	`her kids :P`
`00:26.27`	`JManV`	`i don't think she wanted to give it back`
`00:26.41`	`JManV`	`i don't think she damaged it or anything... i think she just wanted to keep it`
`00:26.58`	`JManV`	`which is actually the only reason i call her a bitch`
`00:27.05`	`JManV`	`otherwise she was a nice person`
`00:27.45`	`JManV`	`kinda like carla from scrubs`
`00:27.56`	`JManV`	`but the bitch kept my video game!`
`00:28.05`	`JManV`	`and not just any video game... fucking link to the past!`
`00:28.24`	`JManV`	`i mean... you don't steal a dudes zelda cart... you just don't.`
`00:28.36`	`JManV`	`unless its zelda 2. steal away. you're doing them a favor.`
`00:28.51`	`JManV`	`my rant concludes!`
`00:29.22`	`JManV`	`they remade ff3 in 3d?`
`00:29.26`	`JManV`	`that sounds awesome!`
`00:29.41`	`JManV`	`i want to have sex with that`
`00:29.45`	`JademusSreg`	`Hwaht?`
`00:30.11`	`JManV`	`we're talking ff3/6, right?`
`00:30.29`	`JManV`	`with locke and sabin and all that`
`00:30.44`	`JManV`	`the game that was totally a 2d version of ff7`
`00:31.56`	`JManV`	`i guess i ranted too long and vexal died.`
`00:32.05`	`JManV`	`why does that always happen?!`
`00:32.08`	`Vexal`	`huh`
`00:32.16`	`JManV`	`ff3 in 3d?`
`00:32.26`	`Vexal`	`what about it`
`00:32.34`	`JManV`	`we're talking locke, sabin, terra, all that, right?`
`00:32.42`	`Vexal`	`no`
`00:32.44`	`Vexal`	`the original 3`
`00:32.48`	`JManV`	`oh`
`00:32.50`	`Vexal`	`so far, the iphone has the original 1, 2, and 3`
`00:32.59`	`JManV`	`ff1 in 3d?`
`00:33.05`	`Vexal`	`ff 1 and 2 were untouched`
`00:33.07`	`JManV`	`2 was also quite awesome`
`00:33.10`	`JManV`	`oh`
`00:33.15`	`JManV`	`i played those on gba`
`00:33.29`	`JManV`	`:(`
`00:33.36`	`Vexal`	`it's the final fantasy 3 from 1990`
`00:33.42`	`JManV`	`you let me down vex`
`00:33.45`	`JManV`	`you lied to me`
`00:33.53`	`Vexal`	`what dxo you mean`
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`00:33.54`	`JManV`	`i don't know if i can forgive you`
`00:33.59`	`JManV`	`nothing man`
`00:34.02`	`JManV`	`i'm fucking around`
`00:34.17`	`JManV`	`apparently, i don't feel like mapping, because i keep distracting myself`
`00:34.18`	`Vexal`	`i think the american version "final fantasy 3" was actually 6`
`00:34.24`	`Vexal`	`i don't know.`
`00:34.24`	`JManV`	`yeah, i know`
`00:34.27`	`JManV`	`yeah`
`00:34.34`	`JManV`	`that's why i had to check`
`00:34.38`	`Vexal`	`i wasn't allowed to have consoles when i was a kid because my dad said pc games were better (which theya re)`
`00:34.53`	`JManV`	`different`
`00:34.59`	`JManV`	`not better. not worse. different`
`00:35.18`	`JManV`	`there's been a lot of good console titles that wouldn't have/didn't make it on PCC`
`00:35.27`	`MrOp`	`well up until the last few year consoles have been better`
`00:35.31`	`temhawk`	`hi guys. may I interrupt with a question here?? how do I get the values of a function's parameter when I allow "multiple" for that parameter?`
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`00:35.43`	`MrOp`	`but with the 360 most of there games are for pc as well`
`00:35.46`	`JManV`	`naw. console is still king`
`00:35.59`	`JManV`	`no one plays console games anymore`
`00:36.02`	`JManV`	`er, PC`
`00:36.08`	`JManV`	`RTS are the exception`
`00:36.15`	`JManV`	`because they don't translate well to console`
`00:36.20`	`MrOp`	`well if that was true then there would not be a market and there is`
`00:36.31`	`JManV`	`there's a small market`
`00:36.35`	`JManV`	`but it's fading`
`00:37.24`	`JManV`	`diverse hardware is both bad and good for games`
`00:37.29`	`Maul`	`a controller will never beat a mouse in accuracy`
`00:38.00`	`Vexal`	`consoles suck`
`00:38.07`	`JademusSreg`	`We're so lucky RTS doesn't port well to console. What would we do without exclusive gems like Command & Conquer?`
`00:38.10`	`Vexal`	`they force developers to dumb down games`
`00:38.22`	`JManV`	`they made RA3 for consoles`
`00:38.24`	`Vexal`	`if i were president, i'd execute console publishers`
`00:38.26`	`JManV`	`it sucked!`
`00:38.32`	`Vexal`	`and i'd make it illegal to play consoles`
`00:38.40`	`Maul`	`if any game is available for console or pc, the pc always wins`
`00:38.42`	`JManV`	`halo wars, however, was a pretty good console RTS`
`00:38.51`	`Maul`	`keyboard/mouse are pretty good input devices`
`00:38.58`	`Vexal`	`if a game is available for both pc and console, the pc loses`
`00:39.03`	`Vexal`	`look at crysis 2`
`00:39.17`	`Vexal`	`or mass effect 2`
`00:39.22`	`Maul`	`lol crysis 2 got released on consoles?`
`00:39.25`	`Vexal`	`yeah`
`00:39.29`	`Maul`	`hahahaha`
`00:39.33`	`Vexal`	`that's why it only supports direct x 9`
`00:39.48`	`Vexal`	`that's why i think console games should be illegal`
`00:39.51`	`Maul`	`pcs a few years barely handle crisis 1`
`00:39.51`	`Vexal`	`because they ruin the industry`
`00:40.02`	`Maul`	`how is a 360/ps3 going to handle crysis 2`
`00:40.09`	`Maul`	`omg`
`00:40.11`	`Vexal`	`that's why they dumbed it down`
`00:40.16`	`Vexal`	`to make it so they can handle it`
`00:40.30`	`Maul`	`sad`
`00:40.41`	`Maul`	`crysis was known as the game that destroys your hardware`
`00:40.58`	`Maul`	`pushed fps graphics to new levels`
`00:41.03`	`Maul`	`now theyre sitting on dx9`
`00:41.05`	`Maul`	`:/`
`00:42.01`	`JManV`	`not an FPS fan`
`00:42.21`	`Vexal`	`i thought crysis's gameplay was shitty`
`00:42.22`	`JManV`	`RTS, TBS, RPG`
`00:42.25`	`Vexal`	`it was a terrible game`
`00:42.29`	`Vexal`	`especially compared to farcry`
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`00:42.36`	`Vexal`	`but now it's a terrible game with shitty graphics`
`00:42.37`	`Vexal`	`because of consoles`
`00:42.55`	`Vexal`	`at least in the first game i felt like i was actually killing koreans`
`00:43.10`	`Vexal`	`which is something i thought i'd always enjoy doing at one point in my life`
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`00:44.24`	`Vexal`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_suicide_and_immortality i must study this.`
`00:45.10`	`JademusSreg`	`Doesn't follow.`
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`00:46.16`	`JManV`	`http://i.imgur.com/BJXpV.jpg`
`00:46.20`	`Ashamed`	`Vexal that just sounds like someone that didnt want to believe in religion but did not have enough will power to believe in his own death`
`00:46.33`	`Ashamed`	`which is exactly why religion is out there anyways`
`00:46.33`	`Vexal`	`well`
`00:46.37`	`Vexal`	`it's what schrodinger's cat makes fun of`
`00:46.48`	`Ashamed`	`it gives all the pansy pussies that go oh my god my life is SOOOOOO AWESOME so that MUST mean i will LIVE FOREVER!!!`
`00:46.54`	`Vexal`	`the point is`
`00:46.59`	`Vexal`	`you can't prove at the moment that this is not the case`
`00:47.06`	`Ashamed`	`its not`
`00:47.10`	`Vexal`	`it could be.`
`00:47.12`	`Ashamed`	`everything has a begining and end`
`00:47.12`	`Vexal`	`it's not likely.`
`00:47.14`	`Vexal`	`because it sounds stupid`
`00:47.16`	`Ashamed`	`we observe it everyday`
`00:47.22`	`Vexal`	`where did the universe begin?`
`00:47.23`	`Vexal`	`what created it?`
`00:47.26`	`Vexal`	`and when?`
`00:47.30`	`Ashamed`	`people are just afraid of death because we can actually make sense of it`
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`00:47.55`	`Vexal`	`so what is the beginning of the universe?`
`00:47.56`	`Ashamed`	`i mean i dont have any of thoughs answers for you but i do believe it was created and i do believe it will end one day`
`00:48.05`	`Vexal`	`believe?`
`00:48.13`	`Vexal`	`created how? by what?`
`00:48.21`	`Ashamed`	`well thats all i have :) by a big bang`
`00:48.27`	`Vexal`	`what created the big bang`
`00:48.33`	`JademusSreg`	`Wakka wakka`
`00:48.50`	`Ashamed`	`evolution did`
`00:48.52`	`Vexal`	`i, personally, believe the universe originally existed as some form of fungus`
`00:48.53`	`Ashamed`	`the WILL of life`
`00:49.02`	`Vexal`	`that's why athletes foot is so hard to get rid of.`
`00:49.12`	`slightlyrandom`	`Physicists are moving away from the Big Bang theory`
`00:49.16`	`Vexal`	`the universe is a fungus on the foot of another universe`
`00:49.22`	`Vexal`	`and that universe, too, is a fungus`
`00:49.26`	`Vexal`	`it's fungus all the way down`
`00:49.27`	`Ashamed`	`oh shiz`
`00:49.54`	`Ashamed`	`i dont believe neccarly that we have the creation of the universe correct.. actually i am pretty sure we are wrong`
`00:49.59`	`Ashamed`	`but i do know it was created SOME how`
`00:50.05`	`Ashamed`	`and it wasn't by some God`
`00:50.06`	`slightlyrandom`	`No you don't`
`00:50.11`	`Vexal`	`but what created that creation`
`00:50.18`	`slightlyrandom`	`For all you know, the universe might have existed forever`
`00:50.23`	`Ashamed`	`yeah i suppose`
`00:50.26`	`Vexal`	`there's no point to have a "belief"`
`00:50.31`	`Vexal`	`it's better to just say "i don't know yet"`
`00:50.37`	`Vexal`	`or "i hope it is this way"`
`00:50.38`	`Ashamed`	`thats why i dont belive i will last forever`
`00:50.39`	`slightlyrandom`	`For that matter, for all you know, you don't know the "direction" in which we experience time is the only valid one`
`00:50.55`	`slightlyrandom`	`There's excellent arguments to be made for time being bi-directional`
`00:51.03`	`Vexal`	`so you're saying time goes both ways`
`00:51.07`	`Vexal`	`teehee`
`00:51.09`	`JademusSreg`	`Weasel words.`
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`00:51.19`	`Vexal`	`time fucks male time and girl time`
`00:51.19`	`Mexa`	`Hey`
`00:51.20`	`Ashamed`	`well all we have is to look at our world`
`00:51.23`	`slightlyrandom`	`So, the entire notion of a "beginning" might be the wrong way to apprroach this question`
`00:51.36`	`Ashamed`	`and by our world we can only hope evolution grows on some what the same path`
`00:51.38`	`Mexa`	`... was that asciiunicorn I just saw an april's fools joke?`
`00:51.38`	`Vexal`	`i was originally making a joke. i did not intend for this to become a serious debate. my bad.`
`00:51.40`	`Vexal`	`i'm off.`
`00:51.48`	`Ashamed`	`and everything that evolved on our planet including our planet is effected by time`
`00:51.54`	`Ashamed`	`lol`
`00:52.23`	`Mexa`	`Logging in with freenode gives this ascii unicorn... A joke right?`
`00:52.25`	`Ashamed`	`so the logical answer would be everything that EVOLVED is some how within times hannd`
`00:52.40`	`JademusSreg`	`Wakka wakka`
`00:53.07`	`Ashamed`	`and i dont know if the universe did ever evolve but it sure looks like it continues to evolve... So i am going to assume it started somewhere`
`00:53.30`	`slightlyrandom`	`Dangerous assumption`
`00:53.37`	`Ashamed`	`most def`
`00:53.39`	`slightlyrandom`	`Non-answer`
`00:53.44`	`Ashamed`	`but its what i can actually observe`
`00:54.17`	`Ashamed`	`i am going to make every connection off what i can observe , obv things can change`
`00:54.28`	`Ashamed`	`but that is as logical as i can think, to live`
`00:54.43`	`Vexal`	`does anyone else never use the scroll lock or pause key on their keyboard?`
`00:54.45`	`Ashamed`	`my common key is stuck ><`
`00:54.59`	`Mexa`	`Vexal, how's so?`
`00:55.04`	`Vexal`	`what?`
`00:55.05`	`Vexal`	`how so what`
`00:55.12`	`Ashamed`	`i use scroll lock when i am remoting`
`00:55.20`	`Mexa`	`why do you ask?`
`00:56.17`	`slightlyrandom`	`Try checking out Sean Carrolls talks on the Arrow of Time`
`00:56.26`	`slightlyrandom`	`Condensed version here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMaTyg8wR4Y`
`00:57.15`	`Mexa`	`... using pause for pausing a game. My pause is at the same button as insert though.`
`00:57.26`	`Ashamed`	`but the thing about stuff like that its completly off what only our eyes can see........... I am interrested in the universe but i also do think alot of the people that talk about the universe actually know very little about it since we have barly stepped foot in it`
`00:57.43`	`Ashamed`	`it would be like the native indians trying to explain europe`
`00:57.53`	`Ashamed`	`yeah they may be able to make some close assumptions`
`00:58.00`	`Ashamed`	`but they wouldn;t know until they actually made it there`
`00:58.19`	`Mexa`	`I wonder what april's fools blizzard will make this year...`
`00:58.33`	`Vexal`	`http://www.helium.com/items/2095605-teenager-hit-by-30000mph-meteorite great one more thing to be scared of`
`00:58.50`	`slightlyrandom`	`...`
`00:58.53`	`slightlyrandom`	`Scared of?`
`00:58.58`	`Ashamed`	`oh shit vexal`
`00:59.01`	`JademusSreg`	`Getting close or even getting right is neat and all, but the process by which you arrive at the answer to your questions is what is important.`
`00:59.10`	`slightlyrandom`	`Be scared of traffic`
`00:59.19`	`slightlyrandom`	`Everything else is so much fluff`
`00:59.22`	`JademusSreg`	`Ancient people guessing shit doesn't get a point.`
`00:59.26`	`slightlyrandom`	`rounding errors, basically`
`00:59.36`	`Vexal`	`uh, slightlyrandom i'm not scared of traffic. most traffic is scared of me`
`00:59.39`	`Vexal`	`i've gotten 19 speeding tickets so far`
`00:59.41`	`slightlyrandom`	`Valid point JademusSreg`
`00:59.41`	`Vexal`	`and i'm only 22`
`00:59.46`	`Ashamed`	`jademusreg i agree with you`
`01:00.06`	`Ashamed`	`and that is why i believe most of the shit we know about the universe is actually wrong because its all guesses`
`01:00.17`	`JademusSreg`	`Same error.`
`01:00.23`	`Ashamed`	`we have never observed it and a close scientific level...`
`01:00.27`	`Ashamed`	`at *`
`01:00.28`	`Mexa`	`I don't have a car. Should I be thankful?`
`01:00.34`	`JademusSreg`	`You ascribe undeserved certainty to your agnosticism.`
`01:00.37`	`JademusSreg`	`Ironically.`
`01:00.52`	`Ashamed`	`what ?`
`01:00.59`	`slightlyrandom`	`It isn't all guesses, basically`
`01:01.05`	`slightlyrandom`	`It's qualified guesses`
`01:01.16`	`slightlyrandom`	`Remarkable difference between the two`
`01:01.27`	`Ashamed`	`its not all guess everything on earth i think is close .. and we are coming up with answers everyday`
`01:01.35`	`slightlyrandom`	`It's valid for what we can observe. Doesn't mean it's the whole truth, but it certainly IS part of it`
`01:01.36`	`Ashamed`	`but thats because we can physically study that stuff`
`01:01.53`	`Ashamed`	`yeah and i am sure some of our universe theorys are close or correct`
`01:02.02`	`Ashamed`	`but i dont think all of them are`
`01:02.10`	`slightlyrandom`	`Whatever ultimate truth there is has as a part of it our modern scientific understanding of the universe`
`01:03.34`	`Ashamed`	`but i do believe anyone that says they will live forever is just afraid of life`
`01:03.44`	`Ashamed`	`death*`
`01:03.45`	`Ashamed`	`not life`
`01:03.59`	`Ashamed`	`because that is something we can observe`
`01:04.00`	`slightlyrandom`	`Living forever isn't as big a leap as it used to be`
`01:04.03`	`Vexal`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcmSv-28YGw`
`01:04.12`	`Ashamed`	`i agree`
`01:04.17`	`slightlyrandom`	`You just have to be young enough to be ahead of the curve`
`01:04.21`	`Ashamed`	`i mean MODERN science MAY be able to fix this`
`01:04.34`	`Ashamed`	`but i do not believe in a "FOREVER SPIRITUAL LIFE"`
`01:04.40`	`slightlyrandom`	`The curve of prolonging life faster than you approach death`
`01:04.40`	`Ashamed`	`that is a better way to put it`
`01:04.55`	`Vexal`	`http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_livqq7q0d11qitcsyo1_500.png`
`01:05.08`	`slightlyrandom`	`Until we ultimately control aging and the biological processes completely`
`01:05.22`	`Ashamed`	`and i think that can be something that is possable`
`01:05.33`	`Ashamed`	`once we get the full grasp of evolution`
`01:05.37`	`Ashamed`	`we will be able to control it`
`01:05.47`	`Ashamed`	`we are already doing it`
`01:05.53`	`Ashamed`	`its called HUMAN-SELECTION`
`01:06.02`	`grim001`	`sigh, I am convinced that threads are just going to be considered magic by anyone who doesn't join IRC from now on`
`01:06.12`	`Ashamed`	`we can make observations on evolution and change it`
`01:06.17`	`Ashamed`	`so once we fully understand it`
`01:06.26`	`Ashamed`	`we will be able to control it.... as we already have small control over it`
`01:06.27`	`JademusSreg`	`grim, hahaha.`
`01:06.58`	`Ashamed`	`we could even prob breed super humans`
`01:09.10`	`Vexal`	`fucking threads, how do they work?`
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`01:10.03`	`JademusSreg`	`mOtHeRfUcKiN mIrAcLeS`
`01:10.57`	`Ashamed`	`mOtHeRfUcKiN mIrAcLeS`
`01:11.06`	`tordy`	`wha did miss`
`01:11.07`	`tordy`	`againm`
`01:11.12`	`tordy`	`againm`
`01:11.20`	`temhawk`	`does anyone know the answer to my question?`
`01:11.27`	`temhawk`	`how do I get the values of a function's parameter when I allow "multiple" for that parameter?`
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`01:11.53`	`tordy`	`that's a sweet wallet`
`01:12.00`	`Ashamed`	`yeah tordy it is`
`01:12.00`	`JademusSreg`	`Dunno what you mean tem.`
`01:12.22`	`Ashamed`	`may be the best wallet ever`
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`01:22.36`	`Mexa`	`what's with the wallet?`
`01:23.38`	`Nash\|327`	`You keep money in it.`
`01:23.43`	`Mexa`	`Ah.`
`01:23.45`	`Nash\|327`	`And cards.`
`01:23.56`	`Mexa`	`And too many receipt`
`01:24.07`	`Nash\|327`	`Not playing cards, but credit cards, ID, library card and such.`
`01:24.38`	`Vexal`	`are you talking to the wallet video i linked?`
`01:24.43`	`Mexa`	`Yeah`
`01:24.47`	`Vexal`	`it was an april fools joke`
`01:25.05`	`Vexal`	`this website with millions of users decided to pick a youtube video that would never become popular and then flood it with views and likes`
`01:25.12`	`Mexa`	`I suspected that, but I wonder how it got over 10k`
`01:25.14`	`Mexa`	`ooh`
`01:25.19`	`Mexa`	`So that's what it was`
`01:26.12`	`Nash\|327`	`Hey guys let's make this video really popular as a joke! links own video`
`01:26.16`	`Mexa`	`http://thepiratebay.org/blog/189`
`01:27.03`	`Vexal`	`no...`
`01:27.13`	`Mexa`	`no?`
`01:27.18`	`Vexal`	`was talking to other guy`
`01:27.18`	`Mexa`	`April fools, you know.`
`01:27.24`	`Mexa`	`o`
`01:27.25`	`Mexa`	`nvm`
`01:27.35`	`Vexal`	`http://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/gftly/and_the_april_fools_video_for_2011_is/`
`01:29.41`	`Nash\|327`	`Blizzard one isn't up yet.`
`01:29.59`	`Nash\|327`	`Have to wait until April 1st in the US I guess.`
`01:30.13`	`Mexa`	`yeah`
`01:30.41`	`Mexa`	`Youtube got their ones up already.`
`01:30.57`	`Mexa`	`Not sure if I ever call those april fools.`
`01:31.04`	`Vexal`	`wait until you guys see the april fools update for my map`
`01:31.08`	`Vexal`	`shit's gonna be rainbows`
`01:31.32`	`Mexa`	`you have 3 hours, will you make it?`
`01:31.39`	`Vexal`	`uhh`
`01:31.44`	`Vexal`	`april fools doesn't start until 10 am`
`01:31.57`	`Mexa`	`In your world:>`
`01:32.05`	`Nash\|327`	`What did YouTube do? I can't see anything odd.`
`01:32.25`	`Mexa`	`a 1911 filter button`
`01:32.33`	`Mexa`	`on videos`
`01:33.10`	`Nash\|327`	`Ah.`
`01:33.15`	`Mexa`	`Adding a filter and sound overlay on videos pretending they are old recordings`
`01:33.22`	`Mexa`	`from 1911 I guess`
`01:33.36`	`Nash\|327`	`Thought the videos on the main page all looked a little yellow.`
`01:33.47`	`Mexa`	`ay yeah`
`01:34.07`	`Mexa`	`or not, I'm not sure:P`
`01:34.30`	`Mexa`	`You see it specifically when playing a video, that's for sure anyway`
`01:37.00`	`Sixen`	`It kinda is`
`01:37.02`	`Sixen`	`Only in Korean :\`
`01:38.49`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`what in Korean?`
`01:40.39`	`Sixen`	`blizzards`
`01:41.55`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`Oh`
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`01:43.21`	`JademusSreg`	`C`
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`01:55.21`	`JManV_`	`die other me!`
`01:56.00`	`JManV_`	`"no, that's german for 'the bart, the'"`
`01:56.04`	`Nash\|327`	`Kill yourself?`
`01:56.35`	`JManV_`	`no, i want the ping gods to kill me`
`01:57.23`	`JManV`	`http://i.imgur.com/BJXpV.jpg ftw`
`02:01.30`	`Nash\|327`	`Baulbaling, bulbaling`
`02:01.38`	`Nash\|327`	`consistency fail`
`02:02.34`	`JManV`	`ah, thanks`
`02:05.33`	`JManV`	`temhawk: i also am curious about how to use the "allow multiples" parameters`
`02:05.50`	`JManV`	`afaik, it isn't supported by the GUI`
`02:06.19`	`JManV`	`you can look at the default functions that use these (like arithmatic multiple), but i could make any sense out of it`
`02:06.19`	`temhawk`	`that's what I started to think`
`02:06.38`	`JManV`	`they all use custom script, and it's weird script at that`
`02:06.54`	`JManV`	`(#PARAM(val," " #PARAM(op) " "))`
`02:06.57`	`Nash\|327`	`POKEMANS`
`02:07.01`	`temhawk`	`i looked at that already, just a little bit of custom script that it didn't.. yeah`
`02:07.11`	`JManV`	`that's Arithmetic Multiple (Integer)`
`02:07.30`	`JManV`	`yeah, that doesn't make any sense to me either`
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`02:16.28`	`grim001`	`JManV, can you elaborate on that subject`
`02:16.38`	`grim001`	`you're saying that the GUI creates custom script that looks like that?`
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`02:16.42`	`Nash\|327`	`it's magic`
`02:17.38`	`Deathtorn`	`Hey`
`02:17.55`	`Deathtorn`	`Does anyone know the limit for each string bank file?`
`02:19.37`	`grim001`	`"string bank"?`
`02:20.09`	`Deathtorn`	`Rephrase`
`02:20.16`	`Deathtorn`	`a bank that has a string value in it`
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`02:21.28`	`JManV`	`grim that's the standard library code for "arithmatic multiple (integer)"`
`02:21.39`	`Nash\|327`	`What's odd about it?`
`02:21.47`	`JManV`	`if you open it up in the standard library, it says custom script code, then it's that`
`02:21.50`	`JManV`	`(#PARAM(val," " #PARAM(op) " "))`
`02:21.55`	`Nash\|327`	`You add numbers to the list, and tell it what to do with them.`
`02:22.06`	`Nash\|327`	`add 1,2,3,4,5`
`02:22.10`	`Nash\|327`	`= 15`
`02:22.13`	`Nash\|327`	`D_D`
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`02:22.26`	`JManV`	`i know how it works`
`02:22.36`	`JManV`	`i want to be able to use mutliple parameters like that`
`02:23.11`	`Nash\|327`	`For your own scripts?`
`02:23.25`	`JManV`	`yeah`
`02:23.29`	`temhawk`	`yes`
`02:24.26`	`Nash\|327`	`:G`
`02:25.16`	`grim001`	`there is nothing like #PARAM in Galaxy`
`02:25.20`	`grim001`	`so it can't be custom script`
`02:25.58`	`JManV`	`it looks like its preprocessor something or another`
`02:26.19`	`JManV`	`and it might be pretty ingrained into how the languate works`
`02:26.29`	`JManV`	`is (+, 1, 2, 3) a valid construct?`
`02:26.35`	`Nash\|327`	`Seems like one of those WE CAN DO THIS SHIT CAUSE WE MADE THE GAME LOL`
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`02:28.04`	`Jack[RCDF`	`Morning`
`02:30.51`	`temhawk`	`Nash\|327: lol`
`02:31.14`	`Nash\|327`	`SC1 had plenty of that.`
`02:31.35`	`temhawk`	`might be just left in there by accident, the real logic is behind the scenes like the other "native" functions`
`02:32.28`	`Ashamed`	`ninjas`
`02:33.33`	`Jack[RCDF`	`Sc1 had plenty of what?`
`02:33.50`	`Nash\|327`	`Functionality only available to the devs.`
`02:34.22`	`grim001`	`I am pretty sure that what you are seeing has to do with using functions as part of GUI, and only exists in the SC2Lib XML files`
`02:34.33`	`grim001`	`it is not a part of Galaxy in any way`
`02:35.26`	`Jack[RCDF`	`I can't think of anything in sc1 that mappers couldn't access which devs could.`
`02:35.44`	`Jack[RCDF`	`Other than the sc1 source code :P`
`02:36.10`	`grim001`	`In fact, you can use the same silly stuff if you create libraries with the extremely useless system they created for them.`
`02:37.27`	`Nash\|327`	`Well, there were a lot of AI scripts, using the level 12 player and such that was only available when you installed a special editor.`
`02:37.47`	`Jack[RCDF`	`Well yeah :/ it was still accessible.`
`02:37.52`	`Nash\|327`	`level 12 player? wtf`
`02:37.55`	`Nash\|327`	`player 12`
`02:38.06`	`Jack[RCDF`	`The original staredit was extremely limited.`
`02:38.14`	`Nash\|327`	`Indeed!`
`02:38.45`	`Nash\|327`	`You had to have a hax version.`
`02:40.14`	`Jack[RCDF`	`Well, to edit ui you have to do a bit of haxing in sc2.`
`02:40.28`	`Nash\|327`	`HAX MOAR`
`02:40.43`	`Jack[RCDF`	`And to be honest sc2's editor could be better too.`
`02:40.58`	`Jack[RCDF`	`And don't tell me milkywayedit`
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`02:42.26`	`Nash\|327`	`D:!`
`02:42.34`	`grim001`	`no one actually uses milkywayedit`
`02:44.01`	`JManV`	`i once thought of someone who might have consider once maybe using milkywayeditor, possibly`
`02:44.22`	`Nash\|327`	`D_D`
`02:45.01`	`JademusSreg`	`I know of one instance in which GUI allows Multiple, and that is concatenation. But that's just shit like "string" + "string". No preprocessor magic involved.`
`02:45.33`	`JManV`	`(#PARAM(str," + "))`
`02:45.45`	`JManV`	`thats what combine string multiple looks like`
`02:46.00`	`JManV`	`no proprocessor magin?`
`02:46.06`	`JManV`	`magic`
`02:48.11`	`JManV`	`the multiple parameter functions actually evaluate inline`
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`02:48.39`	`JademusSreg`	`UIDisplayMessage(PlayerGroupAll(), c_messageAreaSubtitle, (StringExternal("dude") + StringExternal("bro") + StringExternal("shit")));`
`02:48.44`	`JManV`	`so i don't think i can use them the way i want to`
`02:48.47`	`JademusSreg`	`That's what I got.`
`02:48.54`	`JManV`	`exactly`
`02:48.57`	`JademusSreg`	`Which is what I expected to get.`
`02:49.05`	`JManV`	`but you can look at the function in the standard library`
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`02:49.50`	`JManV`	`either way, i wanted to be able to use it arbitarily`
`02:49.52`	`JademusSreg`	`How GUI handles its bloated poo is a different beast.`
`02:50.15`	`Nash\|327`	`It flings it at people?`
`02:50.15`	`JManV`	`like record initialization function that take multiple parameters`
`02:50.46`	`JManV`	`basically i wanted to use it like sprintf`
`02:52.02`	`JManV`	`at least now i have a deeper understanding of what it does`
`02:53.45`	`temhawk`	`i did not gain any more understanding since i asked my question :(`
`02:54.14`	`JManV`	`well, unless you can somehow use those constructs to meet your own end, there's not really anything you can do`
`02:54.27`	`JManV`	`there is definitely not GUI support for it, it has to be scripted`
`02:54.40`	`JManV`	`which means your entire function would have to be scripted`
`02:55.01`	`JManV`	`and each individual usage would have to be crafted around how that #PARAM() construct works`
`02:55.22`	`JManV`	`which would take some guessing-and-checking to figure out in detail`
`02:55.36`	`temhawk`	`"no GUI support" except for when you use the function (like combine strings multiple) through the GUI, eh?`
`02:55.43`	`JademusSreg`	`In that case, it inserts the operator to concatenate.`
`02:55.51`	`Jack[RCDF`	`How bloated IS the gui in terms of what script it produces? I haven't done much triggering.`
`02:56.01`	`JademusSreg`	`Jack, slightly.`
`02:56.16`	`JManV`	`for the most part its 1-to-1, really`
`02:56.25`	`JademusSreg`	`Sometimes it's on par with natives, sometimes it's silly.`
`02:56.38`	`JManV`	`sometimes it is a little silly`
`02:56.43`	`JademusSreg`	`Functionally, there is little difference except in the case of arrays.`
`02:56.59`	`JManV`	`no constant array size on GUI :(`
`02:57.10`	`JademusSreg`	`GUI arrays are initialized with an additional index per dimension.`
`02:57.15`	`JManV`	`also, math sucks in GUI`
`02:57.20`	`JManV`	`but refactoring is much easier`
`02:58.12`	`JademusSreg`	`Large multidimensional arrays, especuilly in structs which themselves are used for struct arrays, will easily generate hundreds or thousands of unused indexes.`
`02:59.02`	`JManV`	`because of the +1?`
`02:59.24`	`JManV`	`that can be overcome through dilerate programming`
`02:59.30`	`JManV`	`deliberate`
`02:59.31`	`JademusSreg`	`This is because GUI intends for theu ser to be able to use the array size interchangably with the array index limit, but this is not the case in galaxy.`
`02:59.46`	`JManV`	`it's not so dumbed down`
`03:00.02`	`JademusSreg`	`An array like int[10] shit; will have indexes 0 - 9.`
`03:00.35`	`JManV`	`but you could make a 9-sized array in GUI`
`03:00.38`	`JManV`	`but its stupid`
`03:00.41`	`JManV`	`that you have to`
`03:00.53`	`JademusSreg`	`In GUI, if you declare an array with a size of 10, it will be int[11] shittier;`
`03:00.56`	`JManV`	`0-based isn't that hard to understand`
`03:01.05`	`JManV`	`or... just go 1-based`
`03:01.43`	`JManV`	`i would accept 1-based`
`03:01.51`	`JManV`	`especially since -1 is so difficult in GUI`
`03:02.17`	`JademusSreg`	`I doubt. It's damn inconsistent. Unit Group indexes begin at 1, array indexes begin at 0. Silliness.`
`03:02.40`	`JManV`	`catalog indexes are 0-based i believe`
`03:02.45`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes.`
`03:02.59`	`JManV`	`player nubmers are 0-based`
`03:03.15`	`JManV`	`thus encouraging arrays to be 0-based`
`03:03.41`	`Jack[RCDF`	`0 based is because of binary, not player numbers.`
`03:03.59`	`JademusSreg`	`We're just rattling off ack.`
`03:04.05`	`JManV`	`yeah`
`03:04.15`	`JManV`	`its all ridiculous`
`03:04.17`	`Jack[RCDF`	`Wait unit group arrays are 1 based? Whut.`
`03:04.25`	`JademusSreg`	`No,`
`03:04.32`	`JademusSreg`	`unitgroup indexes begin at 1.`
`03:04.47`	`JademusSreg`	`If you want to get a unit from a unit group by index, you start with 1.`
`03:04.50`	`Jack[RCDF`	`Yeah, that's what I mean.`
`03:05.01`	`Jack[RCDF`	`Oh wait`
`03:05.02`	`JManV`	`like unit from unit group (0, unit group) is no`
`03:05.10`	`temhawk`	`JademusSreg: in the script too?`
`03:05.15`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes.`
`03:05.23`	`temhawk`	`that's weird`
`03:05.33`	`Jack[RCDF`	`No, that does make sense to me. As long as ARRAYS are 0 based consistently.`
`03:05.35`	`JManV`	`they wouldn't -1 from a literal only in that case... that would be weird`
`03:05.56`	`JManV`	`everything should be one or the other`
`03:06.01`	`JManV`	`consistancy is what's key`
`03:07.10`	`JademusSreg`	`Index 0 could be reserved for some reason, dunno.`
`03:07.44`	`JManV`	`i've reserved 0 in a couple of my arrays`
`03:07.51`	`JademusSreg`	`Anyway, tem, all the multiple parameter stuff in GUI deal with concatenation as far as I know.`
`03:07.56`	`JManV`	`because i can't make the default of something -1, so it ends up being 0`
`03:08.28`	`JManV`	`i'm curious if you could generate entire lines of script using those constructs`
`03:08.42`	`JademusSreg`	`Which is simply "shit" + "poo" in galaxy, anyway. It is pretty neat that GUI offers that functionality at all though,.`
`03:09.00`	`JManV`	`it would suck so bad if it didn't`
`03:09.04`	`JademusSreg`	`Better than wc3, where concatenation was done function by function for each two strings.`
`03:09.05`	`JManV`	`math is already very painful`
`03:09.19`	`JManV`	`the should give us a specific math interface or something`
`03:09.25`	`JademusSreg`	`Better than wc3 GUI, I mean.`
`03:09.47`	`JManV`	`in the GUI, if you mess up precedence, you start over`
`03:09.51`	`JManV`	`that is teh big suck`
`03:11.21`	`temhawk`	`lol y`
`03:11.37`	`temhawk`	`that is so demotivating for me`
`03:11.49`	`JManV`	`i did a diminishing returns formula once... i had to draw it out first`
`03:11.53`	`JManV`	`and it still took forever`
`03:12.12`	`JademusSreg`	`Jman is a masochist, obviously.`
`03:12.26`	`JManV`	`there are also benefits`
`03:12.44`	`JManV`	`that just happens to be one of the largest detriments`
`03:13.00`	`JManV`	`refactoring is actually a huge benefit`
`03:13.09`	`JManV`	`because i refactor fairly often`
`03:13.34`	`JManV`	`time saved > time lost to math functions`
`03:13.52`	`JManV`	`also, the auto complete is built in and fully-featured`
`03:14.07`	`JManV`	`negative: i stare at dialogs from time to time`
`03:14.17`	`JademusSreg`	`I refactor on occasion, too. I CnP into Notepad++ and press Ctrl+H. =D`
`03:14.36`	`JManV`	`negative: all the mouse clicking`
`03:14.44`	`JManV`	`but there's a lot of hotkeys`
`03:14.47`	`JManV`	`not quite enough tho`
`03:15.02`	`JManV`	`jumping from one panel to another is usually requires mouse`
`03:15.23`	`JManV`	`anyways, it's not all bad`
`03:15.45`	`JManV`	`also, self documenting`
`03:15.52`	`Jack[RCDF`	`But it could be better`
`03:16.10`	`JManV`	`and i can use long, descriptive names without having to worry about reyping them multiple times later`
`03:16.16`	`JManV`	`it could definitely be better`
`03:16.34`	`JManV`	`i need like a back+tab, to tab in the opposite direction`
`03:16.38`	`JademusSreg`	`That response works on anything. One could imagine anything could be improved.`
`03:17.06`	`JademusSreg`	`Specific examples are more useful.`
`03:17.11`	`JManV`	`and some better scopes would keep me from a long list of irrelevant variables`
`03:17.26`	`JManV`	`my variable list is huge because everything is global`
`03:18.01`	`JManV`	`organization is really good with GUI`
`03:18.18`	`JManV`	`everything's in folders, and you can add icons to the folders`
`03:18.45`	`JManV`	`but i wish there was folder-level scope`
`03:18.56`	`JademusSreg`	`I do that as well to organize my scripts.`
`03:19.16`	`JManV`	`oh yeah, you can utilize folders too, can't you`
`03:19.29`	`JManV`	`and big benefit: you can put two+ functions in one object`
`03:19.49`	`JademusSreg`	`I don't know what that means.`
`03:20.03`	`JManV`	`one object in the tree = one function with GUI`
`03:20.15`	`JManV`	`you can have a single "script" object, with tons of shit in it`
`03:20.26`	`JManV`	`or just one function`
`03:20.39`	`JManV`	`more flexible as far as organization goes`
`03:21.04`	`JManV`	`i guess its not that awesome`
`03:21.54`	`JManV`	`but i have used some script`
`03:22.08`	`JManV`	`the benefit of a script is i can have a program generate it`
`03:22.56`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Hjalte (~chatzilla@cpe.ge-0-2-0-835.arcnqu2.customer.tele.dk)`
`03:23.28`	`*** join/#sc2mapster nicoli_co (~test@173-14-207-161-huntsville.hfc.comcastbusiness.net)`
`03:30.37`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Agouti (~Agouti@60-240-2-243.tpgi.com.au)`
`03:30.58`	`JManV`	`sweet. i can shift+tab to tab backwards`
`03:31.16`	`*** join/#sc2mapster SoulTaker_ (18060e53@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.6.14.83)`
`03:31.21`	`SoulTaker_`	`hola`
`03:31.24`	`SoulTaker_`	`anyone out there?`
`03:31.25`	`SoulTaker_`	`jman?`
`03:31.28`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes.`
`03:31.30`	`JademusSreg`	`Always,`
`03:31.31`	`JManV`	`nope. dead.`
`03:31.32`	`SoulTaker_`	`even better`
`03:31.40`	`SoulTaker_`	`im trying to get a minimap icon?`
`03:31.41`	`JademusSreg`	`Hah.`
`03:31.44`	`SoulTaker_`	`is that possible?`
`03:31.46`	`JManV`	`yep`
`03:31.50`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes.`
`03:31.52`	`SoulTaker_`	`how?`
`03:31.58`	`JManV`	`i think on the actor`
`03:32.00`	`JademusSreg`	`It's done several times throughout the campaign.`
`03:32.04`	`JManV`	`theres a field`
`03:32.11`	`SoulTaker_`	`on the actor?`
`03:32.18`	`SoulTaker_`	`thats easy to find`
`03:32.18`	`JManV`	`make sense`
`03:32.22`	`SoulTaker_`	`well`
`03:32.28`	`SoulTaker_`	`i was reading around the forums`
`03:32.32`	`SoulTaker_`	`and it said ping`
`03:32.38`	`SoulTaker_`	`so ya`
`03:32.53`	`SoulTaker_`	`but actor is way better`
`03:33.03`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Skizot (~skizot@pool-72-91-5-2.tampfl.fios.verizon.net)`
`03:33.18`	`SoulTaker_`	`omg... im soo pissed`
`03:33.23`	`SoulTaker_`	`my cat is howling outside`
`03:35.18`	`JManV`	`BUTTSCRATCHA?`
`03:35.30`	`SoulTaker_`	`too much family`
`03:35.31`	`JManV`	`BUTTSCRATCHA`
`03:35.35`	`SoulTaker_`	`can u say im the teenage`
`03:35.37`	`SoulTaker_`	`right right..`
`03:35.45`	`SoulTaker_`	`guy*`
`03:35.55`	`JManV`	`hey, i get all the 80s references`
`03:36.04`	`JademusSreg`	`Hah.`
`03:36.43`	`SoulTaker_`	`dustin still pissed at me`
`03:36.44`	`SoulTaker_`	`XD`
`03:36.53`	`SoulTaker_`	`?`
`03:37.00`	`grim001`	`JManV all your galaxy complaints can be solved by a basic preprocessor`
`03:37.01`	`JManV`	`why wouldn't he be?`
`03:37.04`	`grim001`	`much less a language extension`
`03:37.26`	`JManV`	`well, those were the tame, realistic ones :P`
`03:37.48`	`JManV`	`i'm big about shift+tab right now tho`
`03:37.57`	`JManV`	`that's one less time i need to use the mouse`
`03:37.58`	`grim001`	`what is shift + tab again?`
`03:38.05`	`JManV`	`backwards tab`
`03:38.09`	`JManV`	`between panes`
`03:38.18`	`grim001`	`and when do you use it?`
`03:38.25`	`JManV`	`when programming GUI`
`03:38.32`	`JManV`	`moving between code pane and detail pane`
`03:38.45`	`grim001`	`I don't program in GUI so I'm trying to figure out why it's something that is such a benefit to you compared to coding in Galaxy`
`03:38.46`	`JManV`	`like you create a variable, then initialize in the bottom pain`
`03:39.02`	`JManV`	`you can get there by hitting tab`
`03:39.18`	`JManV`	`but i didn't realize i could get back by hitting shift+tab`
`03:39.18`	`grim001`	`how about creating a variable and initializing it with one line of code?`
`03:39.32`	`JManV`	`i do that now, with GUI`
`03:39.41`	`JManV`	`i know it creates two lines in script, but who cares`
`03:39.58`	`JManV`	`but you have to hit tab`
`03:39.58`	`SoulTaker_`	`yey fluff code`
`03:40.04`	`SoulTaker_`	`its soo cuddly`
`03:40.05`	`JManV`	`it's not a huge deal`
`03:40.08`	`SoulTaker_`	`^.^`
`03:40.19`	`JManV`	`anyways, really the biggest benefit of GUI is much faster refactoring`
`03:40.28`	`JManV`	`and i am constantly refactoring`
`03:40.36`	`JManV`	`moving things around, renaming them`
`03:40.48`	`JManV`	`i'd be stuck with certain things if using galaxy`
`03:41.00`	`JManV`	`cuz i'd be too lazy to find all the instances`
`03:41.23`	`JManV`	`there are other benefits as well`
`03:41.34`	`grim001`	`JManV, what makes you think it's so fast to refactor shit in GUI?`
`03:41.38`	`grim001`	`it's called search and replace`
`03:41.53`	`grim001`	`and its pretty instantaneous`
`03:42.10`	`JManV`	`doesn't always work how you want it to`
`03:42.17`	`JManV`	`but theres other benefits, like i said`
`03:42.17`	`SoulTaker_`	`grim is a diehard, anyways enough science movie 3000 for me thanks for the help`
`03:42.19`	`JademusSreg`	`I tried the Minimap Icon field. It was hilarious.`
`03:42.29`	`SoulTaker_`	`oh?`
`03:42.32`	`SoulTaker_`	`it worked btw`
`03:42.37`	`SoulTaker_`	`what did u put?`
`03:42.41`	`grim001`	`JManV, if you put a space before or after your word it would work how you wanted it to.`
`03:42.51`	`JManV`	`like i said before, self-documenting code and long, descriptive variable names`
`03:43.05`	`JademusSreg`	`I selected a texture, and it appeared enormous.`
`03:43.06`	`grim001`	`GUI is the opposite of that, it is borderline unreadable.`
`03:43.12`	`JademusSreg`	`Like I said, hilarious.`
`03:43.14`	`SoulTaker_`	`LOL`
`03:43.19`	`JManV`	`i find it pretty readible`
`03:43.21`	`SoulTaker_`	`ya... i bet`
`03:43.23`	`temhawk`	`GUI also tells you when you delete something that something else is still using`
`03:43.29`	`JManV`	`^`
`03:43.32`	`SoulTaker_`	`YES`
`03:43.35`	`SoulTaker_`	`i love that`
`03:43.38`	`SoulTaker_`	`soo nice...`
`03:43.51`	`JManV`	`i don't have to remember the name for anything, ever`
`03:43.51`	`grim001`	`if you try to look at a moderately complex system created in GUI, it is nothing but an enormous wall of text that is impossible to grasp the structure of without thoroughly reading through it.`
`03:43.51`	`SoulTaker_`	`then i can clean out all my obsolete variables`
`03:43.57`	`JManV`	`less syntax errors`
`03:44.20`	`JManV`	`i find it readible because i know it`
`03:44.25`	`SoulTaker_`	`haye jade`
`03:44.27`	`JManV`	`function types are color coded`
`03:44.29`	`SoulTaker_`	`hay*`
`03:44.31`	`SoulTaker_`	`hey**`
`03:44.33`	`JManV`	`indentation is automatic`
`03:44.46`	`JManV`	`structure is explicit`
`03:45.02`	`grim001`	`JManV, all of the supposed benefits you are listing are actually half-assed compared to a proper environment for working with Galaxy such as Notepad++ or even SBiers editor.`
`03:45.03`	`SoulTaker_`	`jade, we need a bot for scoreboards for helping people`
`03:45.10`	`SoulTaker_`	`get people more motivated`
`03:45.13`	`SoulTaker_`	`anyways bbl`
`03:45.22`	`grim001`	`i do not suggest anyone try to script with galaxy inside the editor, it is suicidal.`
`03:45.46`	`JademusSreg`	`So whoever was asking aobut minimap icons earlier, you can use minimap icon, if you want to use a straight texture. Using ping has the benefit of using a model. So use what suits your needs.`
`03:46.07`	`JManV`	`is notepad++ going to cross reference my own code for auto-complete?`
`03:46.11`	`Skizot`	`says you :P`
`03:46.24`	`JManV`	`also, parameter lists are important`
`03:46.36`	`JademusSreg`	`Suicidal is a tad hyperbolic.`
`03:46.40`	`JademusSreg`	`It is a pain in the ass.`
`03:46.50`	`JManV`	`its laggy as hell`
`03:46.56`	`JManV`	`just pasting code into there is laggy`
`03:46.56`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes.`
`03:47.03`	`JademusSreg`	`Due to the shitty syntax highlighter.`
`03:47.11`	`JManV`	`and then it syntax highlights it wrong`
`03:47.21`	`JademusSreg`	`Incredibly shitty syntax highlighter.`
`03:47.50`	`Nash\|327`	`Rage Against The Syntax Highlighter`
`03:47.56`	`JManV`	`at any matter, i'm at a point where it would take more time to change`
`03:48.00`	`JademusSreg`	`Pretty much any other syntax highlight is an improvement.`
`03:48.05`	`JManV`	`unless something really monumentous comes out`
`03:48.14`	`JademusSreg`	`In fact, no syntax highlighting is an improvement on the editor's highlighter.`
`03:48.15`	`temhawk`	`bye guys, good discussions...`
`03:48.25`	`*** part/#sc2mapster temhawk (~temhawk@unaffiliated/temhawk)`
`03:48.48`	`grim001`	`JManV, you will most likely be done with your current project by the time anything worthwhile comes out.`
`03:49.14`	`JManV`	`well, my current project is what has me so commited`
`03:49.24`	`grim001`	`what are you making again?`
`03:49.43`	`JManV`	`although, i have so many general purpose functions in my mod, i would use it for any map i make in the future`
`03:49.48`	`JManV`	`making pokemon`
`03:50.10`	`JManV`	`my mod has all the code to generate dynamic buildings. very reusable stuff.`
`03:50.26`	`JManV`	`also, catalog functions and various general purpose dialogs`
`03:50.43`	`JManV`	`so there's no reason not to inherit the mod from any map i use`
`03:50.48`	`Nash\|327`	`pokemans`
`03:50.58`	`Nash\|327`	`Why all the pokemans!?`
`03:51.16`	`JManV`	`and the mod is a library, with really long prefixes that the editor has added`
`03:51.33`	`Nash\|327`	`Pokemans are for 12 year olds :o`
`03:51.43`	`JManV`	`well, i'm 33 :P`
`03:51.50`	`Nash\|327`	`D;`
`03:51.50`	`JManV`	`and i'm making a pokemon game in sc2`
`03:51.59`	`JManV`	`because i'm a psychopath`
`03:52.04`	`Nash\|327`	`Indeed.`
`03:52.16`	`JManV`	`and i think it will be really funny`
`03:52.18`	`Nash\|327`	`Or a pedophile, luring children with the promise of pokemans.`
`03:52.22`	`JManV`	`as well as fun to play`
`03:52.27`	`JademusSreg`	`Pokeymans.`
`03:52.45`	`Nash\|327`	`You should be too old for POKEMANZ`
`03:52.50`	`Nash\|327`	`I am.`
`03:53.04`	`JManV`	`but its pokemon with sc2 units`
`03:53.08`	`JManV`	`like probichu`
`03:53.08`	`Nash\|327`	`I was too old when they became popular.`
`03:53.13`	`JManV`	`me too :P`
`03:53.23`	`JManV`	`doesn't mean i didn't like them`
`03:53.38`	`Nash\|327`	`Weird.`
`03:53.56`	`Nash\|327`	`I don't even like Star Wars anymore.`
`03:54.00`	`JManV`	`its an addictive fun kind of game`
`03:54.09`	`Nash\|327`	`At least I wasn't too old for that.`
`03:54.15`	`Nash\|327`	`But now it's like, meh.`
`03:54.21`	`JManV`	`day9 likes pokemon`
`03:54.35`	`JademusSreg`	`Congrats.`
`03:54.49`	`JManV`	`i know lots of adults that like pokemon`
`03:54.55`	`JManV`	`and not 22-year-olds`
`03:55.20`	`Nash\|327`	`I've never played a POKEMANZ game.`
`03:55.26`	`Nash\|327`	`Looks very boring though.`
`03:55.37`	`JManV`	`to some, perhaps`
`03:55.45`	`JManV`	`i'm gonna try and speed up the pace a little`
`03:56.03`	`JManV`	`i don't want it to be too much of a grind`
`03:56.16`	`JManV`	`but there will be some grind elements... there has to be`
`03:56.40`	`Nash\|327`	`But I don't like turn based in general, especially not just picking stuff from menus.`
`03:56.49`	`JManV`	`but i'm not looking to get 60 hours of someones time for one storyline`
`03:57.16`	`JManV`	`i originally wasn't going to make it turn-based, but it just took shape this way`
`03:57.29`	`Nash\|327`	`My map takes like 3 hours, that's too long for many people.`
`03:57.36`	`JademusSreg`	`Turn-based has its place. Usually, though, it's used to fuck up what would otherwise be decent action.`
`03:57.54`	`Nash\|327`	`Turn-based feels archaic.`
`03:58.03`	`Nash\|327`	`A relic from a past without computers.`
`03:58.08`	`JademusSreg`	`It is.`
`03:58.16`	`JManV`	`i'm a huge fan of turn-based anything`
`03:58.21`	`JademusSreg`	`But it does have a place.`
`03:58.27`	`Nash\|327`	`Reality isn't turn based.`
`03:58.29`	`JManV`	`civilization, advance wars, final fantasy tactics`
`03:58.39`	`JManV`	`most JRPGS ever`
`03:58.40`	`JademusSreg`	`Games aren't reality. wakka wakka`
`03:58.43`	`Nash\|327`	`And games are some approximation of reality.`
`03:58.54`	`JManV`	`meh`
`03:58.55`	`JademusSreg`	`Most JRPGs are shit.`
`03:59.02`	`JManV`	`turn-based games focus more on the strategy`
`03:59.08`	`JademusSreg`	`But tactical turnbased is a justifiable case.`
`03:59.11`	`JManV`	`and less on dexterity`
`03:59.32`	`JManV`	`i am not a dexterous person`
`03:59.37`	`JManV`	`i am cerebral`
`03:59.52`	`Nash\|327`	`Eh, I prefer the Dragon Age style pause for that.`
`04:00.14`	`JManV`	`like fallout 3? :P`
`04:00.22`	`Nash\|327`	`I didn't play Fallout 3.`
`04:00.35`	`Nash\|327`	`I played Fallout 1 for about 5 minutes.`
`04:00.35`	`JManV`	`i didn't play dragon age :)`
`04:00.50`	`JManV`	`i doubt that counts. i never played fallout 1 or 2`
`04:00.51`	`JademusSreg`	`Nor have I.`
`04:00.53`	`Nash\|327`	`Knights of the Old Republic?`
`04:00.59`	`Nash\|327`	`NWN?`
`04:01.07`	`Nash\|327`	`Any BioWare game, pretty much?`
`04:01.09`	`JademusSreg`	`NWN is shit, too.`
`04:01.10`	`Nash\|327`	`:G`
`04:01.13`	`JManV`	`is it a strategy or RPG?`
`04:01.17`	`JademusSreg`	`Deep, ambitious, poorly implemented shit.`
`04:01.18`	`JManV`	`if not, i prolly didn't play it :P`
`04:01.33`	`Nash\|327`	`BioWare is all RPG.`
`04:01.40`	`Nash\|327`	`NWN is fun.`
`04:01.41`	`JManV`	`although i do have a soft spot for racing games`
`04:02.14`	`Nash\|327`	`Though it's one of the weaker BioWare games.`
`04:02.30`	`JManV`	`i don't know that game`
`04:02.34`	`Nash\|327`	`Dragon Age is so much better.`
`04:02.36`	`JManV`	`i actually only even play a few RPGS`
`04:02.45`	`JManV`	`mostly strategy`
`04:02.50`	`Nash\|327`	`Play Dragon Age.`
`04:02.52`	`Nash\|327`	`kthx`
`04:03.25`	`JademusSreg`	`If it is given to me, sure.`
`04:03.26`	`Nash\|327`	`That covers BioWare games in general.`
`04:03.40`	`Nash\|327`	`How lazy!`
`04:03.43`	`JademusSreg`	`It's not high priority, doesn't look appealing to me.`
`04:04.06`	`JManV`	`mostly i just play the shit out of one game, then move on`
`04:04.19`	`JManV`	`right now it's map making for sc2`
`04:04.26`	`Xapti`	`I didn't like Dragona geg too much`
`04:04.26`	`JManV`	`and occasionally playing sc2 :P`
`04:04.35`	`Xapti`	`it was mostly just raphics and voiceover work`
`04:04.36`	`JManV`	`mostly custom maps tho`
`04:04.48`	`Xapti`	`felt lacking in every department other than graphics and voiceover`
`04:04.55`	`Xapti`	`BG2 is an incredible game`
`04:05.02`	`Nash\|327`	`Too old. :o`
`04:05.38`	`grim001`	`I was recently playing through BG1 in the BG2 engine.`
`04:05.52`	`Xapti`	`yeah i heard about that`
`04:05.57`	`Xapti`	`you can also run at hig res :\`
`04:06.16`	`grim001`	`with tons of mods installed. high res, widescreen.`
`04:06.32`	`Xapti`	`yeah, just a bit sad I never got to`
`04:06.32`	`JademusSreg`	`BG?`
`04:06.36`	`Xapti`	`baldur's gate`
`04:06.38`	`Nash\|327`	`I couldn't play BG, it was too old and looked crappy, crappy UI and such.`
`04:06.49`	`Xapti`	`yeah that's why I didn't play BG more later on`
`04:06.59`	`Xapti`	`I played it a bit when it was somewhat new`
`04:07.00`	`JademusSreg`	`I haven't played it in so long, hell.`
`04:07.16`	`Nash\|327`	`I gave up on that and Planescape`
`04:07.22`	`Xapti`	`but while I did tryG2 when it was old, I didn't try BG1 because of it's crappy UI/resolution`
`04:07.39`	`Xapti`	`I gave up on planescape for the same reasons yeah but I shouldn't have`
`04:07.46`	`grim001`	`if you run BG1 inside the BG2 engine at high resolution/widescreen it is quite playable.`
`04:07.48`	`Xapti`	`heard it was really good`
`04:07.56`	`Xapti`	`planescape can run at high res now too`
`04:08.09`	`JademusSreg`	`TORMENT`
`04:08.13`	`grim001`	`in fact I haven't finished my BG1 playthrough with a bard yet.`
`04:08.13`	`JademusSreg`	`pch00000`
`04:08.29`	`grim001`	`of course, bards are pansies without rebalancing mods installed.`
`04:09.00`	`Nash\|327`	`NWN is as old as I'll go.`
`04:09.17`	`grim001`	`I played so much NWN, but only because of a single PvP mod for it called NWTactics`
`04:09.53`	`JademusSreg`	`Honestly, though, I'd rather play actual D&D with nerds and dice than play most of the games whioch borrow D&D material.`
`04:09.54`	`grim001`	`which is still one of my fondest gaming memories due to its community and constantly changing metagame`
`04:10.33`	`grim001`	`for example, there was a period of 2 weeks where halfling dart-throwing paladins were the flavor of the month.`
`04:10.59`	`Nash\|327`	`NWN, NWN2, KOTOR, KOTOR2, Jade Empire, The Witcher, Dragon Age, Dragon Age 2 :G`
`04:11.10`	`Nash\|327`	`Not all those are BioWare, but they are related.`
`04:11.35`	`Nash\|327`	`Then there's Mass Effect 1 and 2!`
`04:11.42`	`grim001`	`I enjoyed Jade Empire a lot despite its reputation as being one of the "lesser" Bioware games`
`04:12.03`	`Nash\|327`	`It's certainly unique.`
`04:12.08`	`Nash\|327`	`Bit button mashy though.`
`04:12.20`	`grim001`	`sure, you could button mash it if you played on easy mode.`
`04:12.47`	`grim001`	`on the difficulty I played on, it required quite a bit of precision to not die in 2 seconds.`
`04:13.00`	`grim001`	`I think I needed a registry hack to unlock it for the first playthrough.`
`04:13.00`	`Nash\|327`	`Still need to mash to attack.`
`04:13.19`	`Nash\|327`	`Just switch to different attack types. :G`
`04:15.29`	`Nash\|327`	`Granted, I play games on Normal, but still, no auto-attack, so lots of clickage.`
`04:15.41`	`grim001`	`it wasnt the kind of game that needed an autoattack.`
`04:16.42`	`Nash\|327`	`Perhaps not, but either way it feels like you need to break your mouse :P`
`04:16.53`	`Nash\|327`	`Compared to Dragon Age and such.`
`04:17.10`	`grim001`	`I haven't gotten around to some of the newer Bioware games yet`
`04:17.24`	`grim001`	`I've noticed that if you let them age for a year or two, mods will make them even better :P`
`04:17.48`	`Nash\|327`	`There are a lot of mods for DA.`
`04:17.58`	`Nash\|327`	`Even some for DA2.`
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`04:21.04`	`Nash\|327`	`I can recommend Dragon Age if you like RPGs with a bit more depth than hack/slash.`
`04:21.34`	`Nash\|327`	`Some people hate having to talk to people and such, though.`
`04:21.40`	`grim001`	`I will play DA as soon as I get tired of the Baldur's Gate series again`
`04:22.08`	`Nash\|327`	`I can unrecommend Magicka.`
`04:22.19`	`grim001`	`played it, got about halfway through it`
`04:22.31`	`grim001`	`kinda fun for a few days in multiplayer`
`04:23.03`	`Nash\|327`	`The spell system is midly entertaining at first, but then it just becomes "find a combo that works, button mash"`
`04:23.15`	`Nash\|327`	`Like QFAAAS`
`04:24.21`	`Nash\|327`	`And too many boss fights, of the annoying "DO EXACTLY THIS OR INSTA KILL LOL" type.`
`04:25.07`	`Nash\|327`	`I fucking hate those.`
`04:25.32`	`Nash\|327`	`Boss fights in general, forcing you to do things a certain way or die.`
`04:26.12`	`Nash\|327`	`Especially the kind where the boss is immune to regular attacks and you have to figure out what silly combination of things to do to kill it.`
`04:26.58`	`Nash\|327`	`Great, it's a game that suddenly becomes a puzzle game where you DIE if you don't solve it fast enough.`
`04:28.01`	`JManV`	`too funny`
`04:28.11`	`JManV`	`well, self-destruct attacks will work`
`04:28.23`	`JManV`	`i gave "bulbaling" the baneling attack`
`04:29.12`	`Nash\|327`	`Acquire cute critters. Care for them. Train them. Make them blow themselves up.`
`04:29.24`	`JManV`	`see. now you get it!`
`04:29.29`	`JademusSreg`	`Jman, hilarious.`
`04:29.40`	`Nash\|327`	`It's like The Sims but with animal cruelty.`
`04:29.56`	`JManV`	`kindof`
`04:30.59`	`JManV`	`funny part was it ended the fight`
`04:31.09`	`JManV`	`but bulbaling was dead`
`04:31.23`	`Nash\|327`	`This is Fluffy. I had him for 3 years now. He's my best friend in the world!`
`04:31.30`	`Nash\|327`	`But I really need to win this fight!`
`04:31.38`	`Nash\|327`	`KILL YOURSELF, FLUFFY!`
`04:33.27`	`Nash\|327`	`Pokemon: Teaching kids to be sociopaths who snatch up poor animals from the wilds and make them fight each other.`
`04:33.52`	`JManV`	`marginally better than GTA`
`04:34.33`	`Nash\|327`	`I'm just waiting for a big media hysteria about kids who catch animals and arrange fights because "pokemon told them to".`
`04:34.47`	`JManV`	`that would be awesome!`
`04:34.53`	`JManV`	`i'd pay to see that`
`04:35.10`	`JademusSreg`	`Pokemon are, what, like kami or something?`
`04:35.17`	`Nash\|327`	`It may seem like harmless fun, but should your child really be playing Pokemon?`
`04:35.55`	`Nash\|327`	`This shocking story might make you think otherwise!`
`04:36.19`	`Nash\|327`	`etc, general news video game scare`
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`04:36.54`	`Nash\|327`	`The Mass Effect one was epic.`
`04:37.04`	`Nash\|327`	`Virtual rape right at your fingertips, or whatever.`
`04:38.15`	`JademusSreg`	`Good idea for a Source mod. Virtua Rape Fighter`
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`04:54.44`	`Motive`	`RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAwr`
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`05:16.08`	`Dogmai`	`good morning, sunshines`
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`05:21.46`	`Mexa`	`oh lol, so they made sc2 lan working`
`05:21.51`	`Mexa`	`durr..`
`05:22.07`	`Mexa`	`wait, it's 1st of april`
`05:22.07`	`Deaod`	`huh?`
`05:22.12`	`Mexa`	`I should have known`
`05:22.16`	`RipperRoo`	`..`
`05:22.25`	`Mexa`	`Sorry, lol.`
`05:22.30`	`RipperRoo`	`seriously...`
`05:22.47`	`Deaod`	`Blizzard's joke this year is LAN for SC2=`
`05:22.49`	`Deaod`	`?`
`05:22.59`	`Mexa`	`I have been up for over 24hours straight, don't judge me:P`
`05:23.09`	`Mexa`	`No Deaod, I was lurking around on a hacker site`
`05:23.10`	`RipperRoo`	`actually the joke is that it is not a joke haha :S`
`05:23.52`	`Mexa`	`But yes, if it comes out, it will probably go and get hosted in russia.`
`05:25.08`	`Mexa`	`I should probably get some sleep. Later guys.`
`05:29.37`	`Vexal`	`?`
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`05:40.25`	`Vexal`	`hello.`
`05:51.24`	`grim001`	`hmm`
`05:51.35`	`grim001`	`I'm finding it much easier than expected to work on this Cosmos grammar`
`05:54.37`	`Vexal`	`ah, yes, of course. the cosmos grammar.`
`05:55.53`	`Deaod`	`Cosmos is his take of an extension to galaxy`
`05:57.51`	`Nash\|327`	`cosmos, galaxy, milkywayedit`
`05:58.05`	`Nash\|327`	`UNIVERSE IS NEXT`
`06:00.28`	`Motive`	`Ah, April Fools.`
`06:00.31`	`Motive`	`I've done my work here.`
`06:00.31`	`Motive`	`http://www.cortexrp.com/forums/announces/handing-over-the-reigns-t1870.html`
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`06:12.06`	`Nash\|327`	`D_D`
`06:12.22`	`Nash\|327`	`April Fools, it's for fools`
`06:12.37`	`Nash\|327`	`Fools in April`
`06:13.05`	`Nash\|327`	`and something about stupid herrings`
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`06:19.02`	`grim001`	`shall I require parenthesis around conditions or not?`
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`06:20.58`	`Mexa`	`As long as it is consistent grim.`
`06:21.28`	`Mexa`	`I mean, you usually care more about that, no:P?`
`06:22.13`	`grim001`	`it's different when I am designing a language. there are more considerations than consistency`
`06:22.21`	`grim001`	`although everything must be consistent.`
`06:22.57`	`Mexa`	`You could/should make it optional.`
`06:23.18`	`Deaod`	`you need parentheses`
`06:25.56`	`onetwo`	`hey wtf`
`06:26.06`	`onetwo`	`my icon on sc2mapster has a st patricks hat on it`
`06:28.17`	`Mexa`	`april's fools?`
`06:28.36`	`grim001`	`I see there are two contradictory views`
`06:28.44`	`grim001`	`Deaod, why do you say it "needs" parenthesis?`
`06:30.09`	`Mexa`	`grim001, I am thinking that if it wont be parantheses for the conditions, there shouldn't be any for for instance while statements either.`
`06:30.27`	`Deaod`	`because if you allow users to omit braces you need something to separate the condition statement from the conditional statement.`
`06:30.29`	`Mexa`	`Depends on the consistency though.`
`06:32.15`	`grim001`	`I'm still on the fence about making this thing indentation based`
`06:32.54`	`grim001`	`and in an indentation based grammar, the indentation level could be the separator. however, that would mean no conditional stuff declared with a single line.`
`06:33.35`	`grim001`	`while x > 5, newline tab, x++`
`06:36.38`	`grim001`	`or, parenthesis around the condition could be not-optional in the case of a single-line statement`
`06:36.54`	`grim001`	`while (x > 5) x++`
`06:37.13`	`grim001`	`or i could just keep the more familiar galaxy syntax`
`06:38.25`	`grim001`	`or I could use "then"`
`06:38.30`	`grim001`	`so many options.`
`06:40.02`	`Vexal`	`onetwo what happened to death haven? it fell to page 2`
`06:40.44`	`Vexal`	`does this sound like a good april fools joke? in my TD, the mobs start running like normal, but as they get close to the first lane, the lead mob stops and then convinces the rest of the mobs to stop, and that it's all a trap, and that they shouldn't run through our armies`
`06:40.58`	`Vexal`	`then they radio for a drop ship and they are picked up and they fly away`
`06:41.17`	`onetwo`	`well death haven is pretty repetitive, its not my main map either`
`06:41.23`	`onetwo`	`im surprised it even stayed up that long`
`06:41.31`	`grim001`	`I would rather use ":" than "then"`
`06:41.49`	`Vexal`	`did i misuse than?`
`06:42.13`	`Vexal`	`oh are you just randomly saying programming stuff again`
`06:42.31`	`Vexal`	`yes or no on my april fools idea?`
`06:44.05`	`onetwo`	`no i guess? since im lazy`
`06:44.06`	`onetwo`	`lol`
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`06:45.24`	`Vexal`	`what`
`06:45.42`	`Vexal`	`i was positing an idea i had for an april fools update to my map`
`06:45.48`	`Vexal`	`i don't see how it matters whether you're lazy.`
`06:45.54`	`onetwo`	`it affects my opinion`
`06:46.00`	`onetwo`	`that i think if i were in your position`
`06:46.01`	`onetwo`	`i woudlnt do it`
`06:46.11`	`onetwo`	`but i dont have a map that id want to do it to`
`06:46.14`	`onetwo`	`if you do, do it`
`06:46.33`	`Vexal`	`i need to make sure it doesn't look like i'm trying too hard to make a joke.`
`06:46.49`	`Vexal`	`but then if i think this much about not looking like i'm trying too hard, isn't that trying too hard`
`06:46.53`	`Vexal`	`gosh this is confusing.`
`06:46.54`	`onetwo`	`ysh`
`06:46.55`	`onetwo`	`yeah`
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`06:48.32`	`SouLCarveR`	`woah unicorn`
`06:49.06`	`grim001`	`Deaod, do you like indentation based syntax or do you hate it?`
`06:49.10`	`grim001`	`everyone either likes it or hates it`
`06:49.23`	`Deaod`	`well, it forces decent indentation`
`06:49.58`	`Deaod`	`so i kind of like it.`
`06:50.11`	`Vexal`	`??`
`06:50.19`	`Vexal`	`i don't want someone telling me how to indent`
`06:50.20`	`Vexal`	`fuck them.`
`06:50.33`	`grim001`	`Vexal, I'm sure it would be healthy for someone else to control how you indent.`
`06:50.34`	`SouLCarveR`	`noobs dont indent`
`06:50.58`	`Vexal`	`i hate when people put the bracket like this:: if (___) {`
`06:51.02`	`Vexal`	`stupid fuckers it should be`
`06:51.08`	`Vexal`	`if (__)`
`06:51.08`	`Vexal`	`{`
`06:51.11`	`Deaod`	`no.`
`06:51.14`	`Vexal`	`yes..`
`06:51.50`	`SouLCarveR`	`whos up for giving me some feed back on my td`
`06:51.59`	`Vexal`	`i like your TD a lot.`
`06:52.09`	`Vexal`	`it's much more unique than mine and with more content would be more popular.`
`06:52.10`	`SouLCarveR`	`good to hear`
`06:52.21`	`Vexal`	`i had a suggestion.../\`
`06:52.40`	`Vexal`	`since you can use the function to detect the pathing cost between 2 points, you can detect how intricate the players' mazes are`
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`06:52.44`	`SouLCarveR`	`well id like some feedback before I move on to the next step`
`06:52.51`	`Helral\|Work`	`meow?`
`06:52.55`	`Vexal`	`you might want to scale the health of enemies based on how long their maze is`
`06:53.00`	`SouLCarveR`	`I have kinda implemented that vexal`
`06:53.04`	`SouLCarveR`	`well`
`06:53.09`	`SouLCarveR`	`its not that simple really`
`06:53.27`	`Vexal`	`it's fairly simple in your game to make enemies bounce back and forth by surrounding their destinations`
`06:53.40`	`onetwo`	`mazing td's are the best, but we have to deal with jugglers`
`06:53.53`	`SouLCarveR`	`jugglers?`
`06:54.03`	`onetwo`	`ie blocking one exit`
`06:54.05`	`onetwo`	`creeps go back`
`06:54.07`	`Vexal`	`onetwo i just prevented them from selling during rounds`
`06:54.09`	`onetwo`	`sell tower`
`06:54.13`	`onetwo`	`yeah`
`06:54.24`	`Vexal`	`have you played his TD though?`
`06:54.27`	`SouLCarveR`	`im not sure what you mean`
`06:54.29`	`Vexal`	`i'm not referring to jugglers.`
`06:54.39`	`onetwo`	`i wonder if we could just run a trigger every 0.25s that checks pathing cost for each lane`
`06:54.40`	`Vexal`	`i'm referring to players building a maze that forces enemies to go all the way around`
`06:54.49`	`Vexal`	`his TD does not have lanes`
`06:54.50`	`onetwo`	`from each unit`
`06:54.53`	`onetwo`	`oh`
`06:54.56`	`onetwo`	`well thats like cube td`
`06:54.58`	`onetwo`	`its part of the strat`
`06:55.06`	`onetwo`	`right?`
`06:55.26`	`SouLCarveR`	`could i show you guys .... i changed how I prevent pathing blocking`
`06:55.30`	`SouLCarveR`	`works pretty good`
`06:55.30`	`Vexal`	`are you talking about cube d from war3?`
`06:55.54`	`onetwo`	`yes`
`06:55.58`	`Helral\|Work`	`the one that is quite boring up to lvl 20?`
`06:56.02`	`SouLCarveR`	`id like to know if theres any quicking changes I should make before my next big change`
`06:56.04`	`onetwo`	`good for its time`
`06:57.06`	`Helral\|Work`	`SouLCarveR: is my name in the credits ;p if not then your game will suck. it has been proven ;) (1-4 here)`
`06:58.17`	`Vexal`	`soulcarver you should make 1 race at a time`
`06:58.52`	`Helral\|Work`	`hmmm need to think of more april fools jokes to pull at work amongst others.`
`06:59.23`	`onetwo`	`treat them with respect`
`06:59.37`	`Helral\|Work`	`owww that's a good one, onetwo. I never do that normally :)`
`07:00.00`	`Sixen`	`OWUT`
`07:00.01`	`Sixen`	`NEWS!`
`07:00.02`	`Sixen`	`;)`
`07:00.10`	`Helral\|Work`	`Sixen: news where?`
`07:00.19`	`Sixen`	`(11:57:13 PM) Repo: New announcement: http://www.sc2mapster.com/announcements/dot-a-comes-to-sc2/`
`07:00.34`	`Helral\|Work`	`but I want dot B`
`07:00.52`	`Sixen`	`well you're outta luck`
`07:00.54`	`Sixen`	`:P`
`07:01.18`	`Helral\|Work`	`damn :(`
`07:01.58`	`SouLCarveR`	`WOW "DEBATES OF THE ANCIENTS" rod has gone too far`
`07:02.07`	`Sixen`	`lol`
`07:02.50`	`Helral\|Work`	`I actually was expecting 1 comment there with "April fools" in it...`
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`07:03.38`	`Maul`	`anyone have any ideas why the editor would crash after opening a map (all maps)?`
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`07:04.33`	`SouLCarveR`	`who wants to come point out things I should change in my map?`
`07:04.50`	`Helral\|Work`	`points at random things`
`07:05.06`	`Sixen`	`Maul, lemme ge tyou a link`
`07:05.08`	`Sixen`	`I know the fix`
`07:05.14`	`Maul`	`rand(352,23);`
`07:05.18`	`Maul`	`thanks sixen`
`07:05.29`	`Maul`	`hey its april1 btw`
`07:05.35`	`Sixen`	`Maul: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/189279023?page=15#292`
`07:05.38`	`Sixen`	`Yeah, check the news ;)`
`07:06.16`	`Maul`	`bah`
`07:06.22`	`Maul`	`this better be epic :P`
`07:06.33`	`Maul`	`making us non-paying viewers wait`
`07:07.43`	`Maul`	`ahahahaha`
`07:07.46`	`Maul`	`lol onetwo`
`07:08.14`	`onetwo`	`lol`
`07:08.20`	`Maul`	`very nice`
`07:09.10`	`onetwo`	`the hardest part was picking interesting clips of a text debate game`
`07:09.11`	`onetwo`	`lol`
`07:09.21`	`Maul`	`hahaha`
`07:09.35`	`Maul`	`for the first half i thought "wow he's been really busy"`
`07:09.43`	`Maul`	`then the debates was golden`
`07:09.56`	`Sixen`	`:)`
`07:10.09`	`Sixen`	`Waiting for Rodrigo to make a bnet thread lol`
`07:10.12`	`onetwo`	`LOL`
`07:10.24`	`Maul`	`lol i am curious about his take on it`
`07:10.32`	`Sixen`	`He made the loading screen`
`07:10.32`	`Sixen`	`;)`
`07:10.42`	`Maul`	`thanks for the fix sixen`
`07:10.46`	`Sixen`	`np`
`07:10.47`	`Maul`	`works like a charm`
`07:13.13`	`Helral\|Work`	`Sixen: can you post on NA forum with EU key on the bnet site? (doubt it but just wondering)`
`07:14.01`	`Sixen`	`No :(`
`07:14.13`	`Maul`	`i think you should remove the text description for the dota video`
`07:14.25`	`Maul`	`i think if i read that first it would of killed the punchline`
`07:14.34`	`Sixen`	`Yeah, true...`
`07:15.14`	`Helral\|Work`	`Sixen: hehehe then I can't explain them how to fix their UI setups grins :)`
`07:15.37`	`Dogmai`	`helral!`
`07:15.37`	`Sixen`	`lol`
`07:15.44`	`Dogmai`	`patch 1.3 broke my map`
`07:15.45`	`Dogmai`	`fixplz`
`07:15.47`	`Dogmai`	`kthx`
`07:15.49`	`Dogmai`	`woof`
`07:15.55`	`Helral\|Work`	`anyway, working on making UI changes easier. will work some more on my app this weekend.`
`07:16.08`	`Sixen`	`app?`
`07:16.10`	`Sixen`	`What app?!`
`07:16.20`	`Helral\|Work`	`UI based SC2Layout manipulator.`
`07:16.23`	`Sixen`	`WUT`
`07:16.25`	`onetwo`	`wow`
`07:16.26`	`onetwo`	`nice`
`07:16.28`	`Sixen`	`Why was I not made aware of this`
`07:16.32`	`onetwo`	`also a dialog maker would be nice`
`07:16.33`	`onetwo`	`lol`
`07:16.37`	`Helral\|Work`	`started working on it last week.`
`07:16.41`	`Sixen`	`oh`
`07:16.45`	`onetwo`	`i wish i had map marketplace money so i could pay helral to make that stuff`
`07:17.06`	`Helral\|Work`	`currently still working on loading the default game UI`
`07:18.15`	`JademusSreg`	`Debates of the Ancients.`
`07:18.18`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha`
`07:18.24`	`Sixen`	`:)`
`07:19.06`	`Fisker`	`Sixen`
`07:19.09`	`Fisker`	`hello`
`07:21.23`	`Helral\|Work`	`Sixen: http://109.71.49.81/SC2UIGenerator.html 57% zoom is suggested for viewing the page atm. (still need to do a lot as you can see.)`
`07:22.42`	`Sixen`	`all I see is a list and some images randomly`
`07:22.57`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes.`
`07:23.03`	`JademusSreg`	`Flickery flackity`
`07:23.09`	`Helral\|Work`	`the images are sortof positioned at the target location.`
`07:23.19`	`grim001`	`got my first error, finally ran into a shift-reduce conflict`
`07:23.32`	`Sixen`	`ooooh helral, I get it`
`07:23.33`	`Sixen`	`that's cool`
`07:23.38`	`Helral\|Work`	`but what I due is generate the entire UI setup each time from the SC2Layout files.`
`07:23.41`	`Helral\|Work`	`do*`
`07:24.14`	`Helral\|Work`	`so basicly if the patch changes the UI, I just upload the new UI files to my server and my UI generator is up-to-date again.`
`07:29.38`	`grim001`	`deaod, did you notice all the errors GOLD throws when it encounters your if/else grammar?`
`07:29.45`	`Deaod`	`yes`
`07:29.47`	`grim001`	`well, warnings`
`07:30.08`	`grim001`	`do you think there is no way to easily fix the warnings or have you just not looked into it`
`07:31.09`	`Deaod`	`well, the first one is related to semicolons without a statement that goes with it`
`07:31.32`	`Deaod`	`you need that to parse Blizzards files correctly`
`07:31.39`	`Deaod`	`and so far, i havent found a bug with it.`
`07:32.03`	`Deaod`	`the if/else ones are a bit trickier`
`07:32.30`	`Deaod`	`if(cond) if(cond) statement; else statement; is ambiguous`
`07:32.41`	`grim001`	`indeed`
`07:32.47`	`grim001`	`I'm looking at the GOLD page on the topic currently`
`07:33.27`	`Deaod`	`i just left it since the else would always get grouped to the last if.`
`07:34.12`	`Deaod`	`not allowing to omit the braces would fix that issue`
`07:36.05`	`grim001`	`so far I've cannibalized everything from your grammar into my own except the logic/bitwise/etc stuff`
`07:36.17`	`onetwo`	`bitwise... nice`
`07:36.31`	`Deaod`	`?`
`07:36.40`	`grim001`	`onetwo, galaxy already supports it`
`07:36.59`	`onetwo`	`oh`
`07:37.02`	`onetwo`	`my joke failed badly`
`07:37.04`	`onetwo`	`fail onetwo fail`
`07:37.18`	`Deaod`	`http://deaod.de/GalaxyOperators.txt`
`07:37.53`	`Deaod`	`technically, == and != work for every variable type`
`07:38.16`	`grim001`	`so I'm not very far from starting the conversion to indentation based grammar`
`07:38.36`	`Deaod`	`but only for those listed is the content of the variable compared.`
`07:39.50`	`grim001`	`the initial grammar will be a trimmed down galaxy without structs or some other nonsense`
`07:39.54`	`onetwo`	`indentation based grammar? shii son nice`
`07:39.57`	`onetwo`	`there`
`07:40.02`	`grim001`	`along with all of the basic grammar changes`
`07:40.18`	`Helral\|Work`	`if AnimalGroupA equals Elephants and AnimalB equals Mouse Then Stampede?`
`07:40.32`	`grim001`	`after that, id rather move forward and see how this thing works in java before I continue to expand the syntax`
`07:41.24`	`Vexal`	`does anyone else do brackets incorrectly like this? if (____) {`
`07:41.36`	`Deaod`	`thats not incorrect.`
`07:41.38`	`Vexal`	`if i were president, it'd be illegal for compilers to accept that.`
`07:41.40`	`Helral\|Work`	`what's incorrect about that?`
`07:41.45`	`Vexal`	`it bothers me.`
`07:41.52`	`Deaod`	`that doesnt make it incorrect.`
`07:41.57`	`Vexal`	`yes it does.`
`07:42.08`	`Helral\|Work`	`so use an IDE which can handle refactoring of code easily, like eclipse.`
`07:42.09`	`Vexal`	`what is the basis for "correctness"?`
`07:42.14`	`Vexal`	`does the law make speeding incorrect?`
`07:42.18`	`Helral\|Work`	`I just hit shift+F for reformating code ;p`
`07:42.22`	`Vexal`	`does the law make theft incorrect?`
`07:42.32`	`Vexal`	`does the law make using those brackets wrongly incorrect?`
`07:42.34`	`Vexal`	`yes.`
`07:42.40`	`Helral\|Work`	`well actually no.`
`07:42.46`	`Helral\|Work`	`they make it just punishable.`
`07:42.51`	`Vexal`	`exactly.`
`07:42.53`	`Vexal`	`that's why it's incorrect.`
`07:42.54`	`Helral\|Work`	`they don't make it incorrect.`
`07:43.03`	`Vexal`	`yes, but, brackets have nothing to do with the law`
`07:43.16`	`Helral\|Work`	`so why pull the law into this at all? ;p`
`07:43.26`	`Deaod`	`well, give me a good reason why it is incorrect?`
`07:43.32`	`Vexal`	`i'm just trying to annoy you.`
`07:43.37`	`Deaod`	`ah.`
`07:43.44`	`Helral\|Work`	`roflol I just had Vexal tackle his own statement :)`
`07:43.49`	`Vexal`	`it was a joke`
`07:43.51`	`Deaod`	`youre trying to make a joke again?`
`07:44.03`	`Helral\|Work`	`I think he's joking about the fact that he's joking :P`
`07:44.16`	`Vexal`	`i'm just saying the first thing that enters my mind`
`07:44.20`	`Helral\|Work`	`he's just trying to safe face :)`
`07:44.23`	`Helral\|Work`	`save*`
`07:44.24`	`Vexal`	`no`
`07:44.46`	`Vexal`	`who cares!`
`07:44.51`	`Helral\|Work`	`uhm you?`
`07:45.01`	`Vexal`	`if i cared then you shouldn't use brackets like that.`
`07:45.17`	`Helral\|Work`	`if you didn't care you wouldn't have replied :)`
`07:45.26`	`JademusSreg`	`Time for me to sleep.`
`07:45.49`	`Helral\|Work`	`but it's only 09:45 JademusSreg....`
`07:46.05`	`Vexal`	`oh. well, you got me then.`
`07:46.18`	`Vexal`	`i'm going to go rebel against society now and use custom values for spells.`
`07:46.20`	`Helral\|Work`	`I guess it shows that I'm bored ;p`
`07:46.46`	`Helral\|Work`	`hmmm I think I argued in favor of using custom values if required ;p`
`07:46.52`	`Vexal`	`oh`
`07:47.02`	`Vexal`	`then i'll rebel against society by spray painting computers running the map editor`
`07:47.23`	`Helral\|Work`	`just stay at least 1 ocean away from my pc ;p`
`07:47.32`	`Vexal`	`i'm not allowed out of the country`
`07:47.35`	`Helral\|Work`	`or a country is also far enough.`
`07:47.38`	`Helral\|Work`	`good`
`07:47.43`	`Helral\|Work`	`which country you from?`
`07:47.49`	`Helral\|Work`	`just to be on the safe side`
`07:48.01`	`Vexal`	`uh`
`07:48.11`	`Vexal`	`that one between mexico and canada`
`07:48.21`	`onetwo`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD2LRROpph0 oh god this is funny every time`
`07:48.28`	`onetwo`	`was she famous before the song or something?`
`07:48.33`	`Helral\|Work`	`hmmmm there is a country between them?`
`07:49.00`	`onetwo`	`169,550 likes, 1,382,330 dislikes lol`
`07:49.02`	`Helral\|Work`	`damn thought that that area was just an illusion.`
`07:49.53`	`onetwo`	`the black guy is like a mix of usher and timbaland`
`07:50.04`	`onetwo`	`anyway, night`
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`08:02.21`	`Helral\|Work`	`Sixen: do you know of any StandardTemplates.SC2Layout file?`
`08:03.25`	`Helral\|Work`	`nm just found that it exists, now need to find where it is ;p`
`08:03.58`	`Sixen`	`"_`
`08:04.00`	`Sixen`	`:)*`
`08:04.11`	`Helral\|Work`	`any idea where it is ;p`
`08:04.15`	`Sixen`	`Nuh uh, not offhand.`
`08:04.19`	`Sixen`	`Been a while since I played with UI`
`08:05.01`	`RipperRoo`	`JademusSreg r u there?`
`08:05.38`	`Helral\|Work`	`Sixen: http://www.sc2mapster.com/api-docs/game-files/layout/ <-- it is listed in that list. but I can't find it atm in the mpq files.`
`08:06.08`	`Sixen`	`I made that list from what I extracted frmot he basedata I think`
`08:06.21`	`Sixen`	`Maybe it was removed?`
`08:06.27`	`Sixen`	`Made the list during like... beta.`
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`08:08.24`	`Helral\|Work`	`found it`
`08:08.32`	`Helral\|Work`	`it was in UI/Layout/Common`
`08:08.36`	`Helral\|Work`	`instead of UI/Layout/UI`
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`08:09.47`	`abstruse`	`moo`
`08:09.55`	`Helral\|Work`	`hits the cow`
`08:09.59`	`Helral\|Work`	`meows`
`08:13.09`	`RipperRoo`	`hey does anyone know the exact numbers about the abilities if your unit can morph ?`
`08:13.30`	`RipperRoo`	`there are some restrictions :/`
`08:23.45`	`Maul`	`id guess > 9000`
`08:24.08`	`RipperRoo`	`huh ?`
`08:24.15`	`RipperRoo`	`was that an answere to me?`
`08:24.25`	`Maul`	`lol dont worry`
`08:24.33`	`Maul`	`bad joke`
`08:24.36`	`Maul`	`i dont know`
`08:24.37`	`RipperRoo`	`ok`
`08:24.53`	`RipperRoo`	`slap Kaelten Sixen JademusSreg Grum hati`
`08:25.01`	`RipperRoo`	`sorry for slapping but u guys got any idea?`
`08:25.06`	`RipperRoo`	`its making me many problems atm :/`
`08:25.12`	`Hati`	`:(`
`08:25.21`	`Maul`	`have you tried experimenting?`
`08:25.27`	`RipperRoo`	`yes`
`08:25.31`	`RipperRoo`	`and its freaking me out`
`08:26.18`	`Deaod`	`ehhh, you want to know how many different abilities a unit can have if it can morph into other units?`
`08:26.40`	`Sixen`	`=o`
`08:26.49`	`RipperRoo`	`yes`
`08:27.08`	`Deaod`	`well, you cant KNOW, strictly speaking.`
`08:27.19`	`RipperRoo`	`jeez :/`
`08:27.42`	`RipperRoo`	`because now my towers cant attack anymore.. and its kinda bad for a tower defense if your first tower cant attack`
`08:27.48`	`RipperRoo`	`will be kinda imbalanced :S`
`08:33.52`	`Helral\|Work`	`Sixen: I just fixed some JS error, so that the Elements now get positioned correctly in my UI developer. also mouseover now also show the hover image without need to hide the layers that lie above an image (unless those layers also accept mouseover.)`
`08:34.39`	`Deaod`	`do you know what abilities a single unit can have (without it morphing into another)?`
`08:34.59`	`Deaod`	`and do you know what units a unit can morph into?`
`08:37.13`	`Helral\|Work`	`my positioning system still need some work to be able to handle some annoying positioning stuff (like the info panel fills up the room between the commandcard and the minimap, no matter the screensize. so it's width depends on the left of the commandpanel and the right of the minimap panel. :S )`
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`08:46.11`	`Hati`	`http://eu.media.blizzard.com/sc2/media/comics/comic-2010-12-01-full.jpg`
`08:56.25`	`RipperRoo`	`someone heard of this publishing error? "Default values could not be validated ..../Publish/Kartenname/Largeimage.dds"`
`08:56.58`	`RipperRoo`	`kartenname maybe mapname in english editors...`
`08:59.44`	`Helral\|Work`	`go to your mapinfo (karteninfo?) and set the preview image / loading screen to defaults and try again? ;p`
`09:00.05`	`Helral\|Work`	`Sixen should know the correct fix.`
`09:00.06`	`RipperRoo`	`yeah already told the person to try that.. he is trying now`
`09:00.16`	`Helral\|Work`	`I'm just typing what bits I can remember.`
`09:00.28`	`RipperRoo`	`okay thanks :D`
`09:23.48`	`Agouti`	`meow?`
`09:23.54`	`MrOp`	`:p`
`09:31.57`	`Sixen`	`what's u[p`
`09:32.10`	`Sixen`	`oh ya`
`09:32.16`	`Sixen`	`that's in the sticky`
`09:36.27`	`RipperRoo`	`where?`
`09:37.23`	`Sixen`	`oh hm...`
`09:37.26`	`Sixen`	`yours is a little different`
`09:37.36`	`Sixen`	`try this: By going to Map -> Map Info and selecting Hidden on the Preview Image - Small and Preview Image - Large cells allows the map to be uploaded normally and without error.`
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`09:37.46`	`Obatztrara`	`morning`
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`09:37.58`	`RipperRoo`	`ah nvm that guy is already offline... i ll tell him later.. thanks anyway sixen !`
`09:38.45`	`Obatztrara`	`Helral here?`
`09:39.31`	`Sixen`	`ok`
`09:39.35`	`Jack[RCDF`	`Evening`
`09:40.27`	`Jack[RCDF`	`Debates of the ancients looks fun, I hope it ain't an aprils fools quite a lot.`
`09:41.56`	`Obatztrara`	`90% sure its not real....`
`09:42.40`	`Obatztrara`	`the project page is 4 days old...and even mr. rodrigo needs more then a few days/weeks to make an aon....`
`09:42.45`	`Obatztrara`	`than*`
`09:45.19`	`Jack[RCDF`	`Who says he didn't start it ages ago?`
`09:46.27`	`Agouti`	`april fools.`
`09:46.37`	`Agouti`	`I was going to do something for island defense`
`09:46.41`	`Agouti`	`but I couldn't be bothered`
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`10:07.17`	`Obatztrara`	`any here good with the new layout files? (post 1.3)`
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`10:28.32`	`Maul`	`http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/ finally`
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`10:29.03`	`Jack[RCDF`	`Obatz, you still need help?`
`10:30.12`	`Obatztrara`	`yes`
`10:30.33`	`Obatztrara`	`ok..where to start...`
`10:31.48`	`Obatztrara`	`first of all...it seems that the only file i can access successfully is the GameUI.sc2layout file. whenever I try to overwrite something in any of the other files nothing changes`
`10:35.11`	`Jack[RCDF`	`Correct.`
`10:35.45`	`Jack[RCDF`	`What you need to do is create a new layout file called something different.`
`10:36.31`	`Jack[RCDF`	`Put your changes in there, it's fine if most of it is a direct copy paste of an existing layout file.`
`10:36.32`	`Obatztrara`	`yes I have a override file, which works for the most part...`
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`10:36.57`	`Obatztrara`	`I think its better if I get back to you with specific problems`
`10:37.00`	`Jack[RCDF`	`OK, then how are you overriding the files?`
`10:37.03`	`Obatztrara`	`sec`
`10:37.20`	`Clord`	`I started with early april fools joke`
`10:37.23`	`Jack[RCDF`	`Yeah. Maybe put the file on pastebin and link me to it.`
`10:37.28`	`Clord`	`most failed to get it`
`10:37.29`	`Clord`	`XD`
`10:37.53`	`Clord`	`and I recently changed map to have 1% chance per minute to do random april fools thing`
`10:37.54`	`Clord`	`^^`
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`10:38.07`	`Clord`	`I can play many matches without april fools thing`
`10:38.09`	`Clord`	`then suddenly`
`10:38.12`	`Obatztrara`	`Jack, heres the override file`
`10:38.13`	`Clord`	`kaboom!`
`10:38.13`	`Obatztrara`	`http://pastebin.com/iZCFFhAn`
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`10:38.53`	`Clord`	`random april fools "jokes" in map include... nuclear missile strikes, all units on the field turn to sheeps... etc`
`10:39.01`	`Obatztrara`	`I want to change the size of the icons in the behaviour bar..how would i do that?`
`10:39.43`	`Obatztrara`	`(the behaiour bar is under the info panel part)`
`10:41.10`	`Obatztrara`	`here's a screenshot of the current UI, to give you an idea maybe`
`10:41.32`	`Jack[RCDF`	`Is there anything in blizzard's original layout files defining the size of the buttons?`
`10:42.34`	`Obatztrara`	`it used to be in a seperate file "BehaviourBar" but it seems it has vanished`
`10:44.24`	`Jack[RCDF`	`Hrmm. Lemme check sonething`
`10:44.36`	`Obatztrara`	`I appreciate it`
`10:44.45`	`Obatztrara`	`:)`
`10:46.36`	`Jack[RCDF`	`http://static.sc2mapster.com/content/attachments/12/120/BehaviorBar.SC2Layout you see there how the icon size is defined.`
`10:47.15`	`Obatztrara`	`alright..now how can I access that from the GameUi?`
`10:47.40`	`Obatztrara`	`lets say I wanted to change the width and height to 48`
`10:47.43`	`Jack[RCDF`	`What you want to do (and I'm no expert so I could be wrong) is import that into your map. Then in the gameui file`
`10:48.15`	`Jack[RCDF`	`You put the template of the behaviour bar on that line`
`10:49.18`	`Jack[RCDF`	`Where it already talks about a behaviourbartemplate...hrmm`
`10:49.51`	`Hati`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiZNtTLAwz8&feature=player_embedded`
`10:49.51`	`Obatztrara`	`hmmm maybe I could just define my own template and have it use that`
`10:49.56`	`Jack[RCDF`	`Change the width and height before importing of course.`
`10:50.15`	`Jack[RCDF`	`Yeah or do that. Just rename this http://static.sc2mapster.com/content/attachments/12/120/BehaviorBar.SC2Layout`
`10:50.21`	`Obatztrara`	`yep`
`10:50.24`	`Jack[RCDF`	`And reference it`
`10:57.20`	`Jack[RCDF`	`How come the korean loses? Video seems a biit doubtful to me. He was owning up, then they go and change the balance so archon warp destroys ultralisks.`
`10:57.53`	`Jack[RCDF`	`I think blizzard has made a mistake here. The editor should be fun though.`
`10:58.53`	`Hati`	`Jack[RCDF: it's a different archon using psi storm surround him :o`
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`11:22.24`	`Obatztrara`	`seriously why can blizz adress all layout files (they did it in aiur chief) and we cant?`
`11:22.35`	`Obatztrara`	`:(`
`11:24.56`	`Obatztrara`	`this: http://pastebin.com/KTxHj3mW should work...`
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`12:16.58`	`Mexa`	`afternoon`
`12:24.47`	`Obatztrara`	`yo`
`12:27.57`	`Mexa`	`http://us.blizzard.com/diablo3/media/horadrapp/`
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`12:42.57`	`XenoX101`	`hello`
`12:43.40`	`JManV`	`sixen: 5pm Pacific`
`12:43.51`	`XenoX101`	`hai jman`
`12:43.59`	`JManV`	`mornin`
`12:44.05`	`XenoX101`	`hows the pokemon map`
`12:44.27`	`JManV`	`good. demo very, very, very soon`
`12:44.32`	`JManV`	`leaving for work tho`
`12:44.33`	`JManV`	`bbiab`
`12:44.54`	`XenoX101`	`nice`
`12:44.55`	`XenoX101`	`kk cya`
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`13:05.01`	`XenoX101`	`quiet as usual ;p`
`13:05.11`	`XenoX101`	`you know more people will be playing custom now thanks to the patch`
`13:05.21`	`XenoX101`	`should be more mapmakers coming onto the scene ;p`
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`13:08.48`	`JManV\|Work`	`mornin'`
`13:15.47`	`Mexa`	`heyo`
`13:18.00`	`Maul`	`no google prank? :(`
`13:21.20`	`Mexa`	`http://www.google.com/intl/en/jobs/uslocations/mountain-view/autocompleter/index.html google prank`
`13:21.50`	`Mexa`	`http://mail.google.com/mail/help/motion.html and this.`
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`13:27.54`	`Mexa`	`Damn you connection..`
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`13:41.11`	`Mexa`	`Hey Zoxc?`
`13:42.20`	`XenoX101`	`why is there a unicorn in the message of the day?`
`13:42.22`	`XenoX101`	`april fools?`
`13:42.31`	`Mexa`	`I think so.`
`13:42.32`	`XenoX101`	`ahh`
`13:42.33`	`XenoX101`	`haha`
`13:42.35`	`XenoX101`	`the whole thing is coloured`
`13:42.53`	`XenoX101`	`its so horribly ugly XD`
`13:42.54`	`JManV\|Work`	`it was there yesterday`
`13:42.58`	`XenoX101`	`o right`
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`13:43.14`	`JManV\|Work`	`its pretty good for ascii art, really`
`13:43.33`	`XenoX101`	`ya its not bad`
`13:45.04`	`JManV\|Work`	`ascii art should be a dead art form tho`
`13:45.25`	`slightlyrandom`	`()()`
`13:45.29`	`slightlyrandom`	`<PROTECTED>`
`13:45.30`	`slightlyrandom`	`(")(")`
`13:45.39`	`slightlyrandom`	`IT LIVES!`
`13:49.49`	`Mexa`	`Since freenode is based in UK, I guess it goes with the european time for april's fools. Not that that is very important though.`
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`14:00.54`	`Obatztrara`	`JManV are you busy?`
`14:01.28`	`Obatztrara`	`ah nvm :D`
`14:01.39`	`JManV\|Work`	`what's up?`
`14:02.36`	`Obatztrara`	`I was trying to remeber the program you mentioned to modify dds files. But I just did - gimp`
`14:02.37`	`Obatztrara`	`:D`
`14:02.42`	`Obatztrara`	`now looking for the dds plugin`
`14:03.24`	`JManV\|Work`	`ah`
`14:04.47`	`Mexa`	`photoshop do hava a plugin for dds otherwise`
`14:05.28`	`Mexa`	`wonder if paint.net has one.`
`14:08.44`	`Obatztrara`	`seems to work :]`
`14:12.44`	`Maul`	`http://thepiratebay.org/`
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`14:29.02`	`Mexa`	`yup, the pirat ebay`
`14:32.47`	`Hati`	`Mexa: paint.net think has one too; gimp too`
`14:33.15`	`Mexa`	`alrighty, thanks`
`14:35.56`	`JManV\|Work`	`i just use gimp`
`14:35.57`	`JManV\|Work`	`never used paint.net`
`14:36.19`	`JManV\|Work`	`photoshop is too much of a pain to install`
`14:37.04`	`JManV\|Work`	`disconnect your internet. replace your host file. stand on your head. repeat the gettysburg address backwards. have sex with a mule. pray that it worked.`
`14:37.30`	`JManV\|Work`	`i just think me and the mule should be friends.`
`14:40.28`	`Mexa`	`lol`
`14:40.38`	`Mexa`	`I simply only use photoshop 7.0`
`14:40.55`	`Mexa`	`The new features are often redundant to what you need.`
`14:41.20`	`JManV\|Work`	`yeah, i've just grown accustomed to gimp`
`14:41.29`	`Mexa`	`But yeah, the problem I have with Gimp is I am not used to it at all:P`
`14:41.33`	`JManV\|Work`	`although there are some glaringly missing things with gimp`
`14:41.41`	`Mexa`	`Paint.net is a direct rip of photoshop I think`
`14:41.43`	`JManV\|Work`	`like a freakin' line tool!`
`14:41.46`	`Mexa`	`visually`
`14:41.59`	`Mexa`	`oh,`
`14:42.08`	`JManV\|Work`	`or a rectangle and circle tool`
`14:42.16`	`JManV\|Work`	`why doesn't gimp have these things?`
`14:42.28`	`JManV\|Work`	`they're called primitives for a reason`
`14:42.49`	`Mexa`	`heh`
`14:43.12`	`Mexa`	`Though, I would prefer gimp over paint all times, despite not having those features.`
`14:43.21`	`Mexa`	`and by that I mean ms paint:P`
`14:43.22`	`JManV\|Work`	`know how hard it is to make certain things without being able to draw a line?`
`14:43.46`	`Mexa`	`yup`
`14:44.08`	`JManV\|Work`	`also, you can use filled in selections to create filled rectangles and circles, but it's nearly impossible to make an outlined rectangle/circle`
`14:44.12`	`JManV\|Work`	`that's just stupid`
`14:44.31`	`Mexa`	`But other than that?`
`14:44.43`	`JManV\|Work`	`its a pretty good tool`
`14:44.58`	`JManV\|Work`	`although a lot of things work backwards the way photoshop does`
`14:45.08`	`JManV\|Work`	`so it requires some re-learning`
`14:45.15`	`Mexa`	`yeah`
`14:45.21`	`Mexa`	`That's what I never bothered:P`
`14:45.36`	`JManV\|Work`	`a little convention-following never hurt anyone`
`14:45.47`	`JManV\|Work`	`again, they're called conventions for a reason`
`14:46.58`	`Mexa`	`:p`
`14:47.09`	`JManV\|Work`	`but i digest`
`14:47.42`	`Mexa`	`But who said there's going to be only one convention to follow though?`
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`14:48.27`	`JManV\|Work`	`well, when you're building a photoshop clone...`
`14:48.40`	`Mexa`	`oh yeah, true`
`14:48.52`	`Mexa`	`Didn't really think there`
`14:48.54`	`Mexa`	`lol`
`14:48.59`	`Caederis`	`Hi all. Is there a way to have an ability deals damage based on the vitals of the caster and/or the target using only the Data Editor ?`
`14:49.00`	`JManV\|Work`	`best to stick to stick to the template as much as possible`
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`14:49.12`	`JManV\|Work`	`unless you're making a feature that it a true improvement`
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`14:49.20`	`JManV\|Work`	`even then, its good to follow conventions`
`14:49.28`	`JManV\|Work`	`sixen: 8pm eastern`
`14:49.43`	`JManV\|Work`	`you put the wrong time on that post`
`14:50.32`	`Sixen`	`o/`
`14:50.37`	`Sixen`	`it should be 5pm pst`
`14:50.54`	`Sixen`	`oops`
`14:51.03`	`JManV\|Work`	`yep :P`
`14:51.23`	`JManV\|Work`	`i'll barely be leaving work at 5 :P`
`14:53.10`	`Caederis`	`No one knows ?`
`14:54.34`	`JManV\|Work`	`i can't think of anything off hand`
`14:54.45`	`JManV\|Work`	`it would be pretty complicated`
`14:55.13`	`JManV\|Work`	`it could be done with a lot of buffs with validators`
`14:55.40`	`JManV\|Work`	`i mean, somehting like double damage if under 25% hp would be fairly easy`
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`14:55.49`	`Caederis`	`Yeah, I know how to do that`
`14:55.53`	`JManV\|Work`	`but each step would require another behavior and validator`
`14:56.10`	`Caederis`	`What I'm trying to do looks fairly simple but it seems really hard to execute`
`14:56.39`	`JManV\|Work`	`data editor doesn't deal with dynamic damage very well`
`14:56.39`	`Caederis`	`just like having something deals damage equal to the life of the caster`
`14:56.45`	`Caederis`	`well, thanks for the help anyway`
`14:56.56`	`Caederis`	`guess I'll be doing it with triggers`
`14:57.25`	`JManV\|Work`	`triggering off a single damage effect shouldn't cause a huge performance bite`
`14:57.30`	`Caederis`	`but since everyone keeps telling me that Data Editor is so powerful that triggers should not be used to do abilities...`
`14:57.32`	`JManV\|Work`	`triggering off all damage might`
`14:57.51`	`JManV\|Work`	`well, abilities are faster in data`
`14:58.03`	`JManV\|Work`	`but its not always as powerful as you need it to be`
`14:58.10`	`Caederis`	`yeah, guess so...`
`14:58.12`	`JManV\|Work`	`triggers offer a great deal more flexibility`
`14:58.20`	`JManV\|Work`	`but are generally slower`
`14:58.32`	`Caederis`	`it's for an ability that should not be used more that once every couple of seconds`
`14:58.34`	`JManV\|Work`	`for most abilities, your statement is true`
`14:58.39`	`Caederis`	`I guess it will be ok`
`14:58.40`	`JManV\|Work`	`but there are exceptions to every rule`
`14:58.52`	`JManV\|Work`	`yeah, it should be fine`
`14:58.59`	`Caederis`	`thanks a lot`
`14:59.11`	`JManV\|Work`	`any time`
`15:01.07`	`Clord`	`XD`
`15:01.23`	`Clord`	`aah my april fools stuff is working well`
`15:01.40`	`Clord`	`every 60 game time seconds random number between 1-100 as integer`
`15:01.41`	`Clord`	`if it is 1`
`15:01.47`	`Clord`	`random... random event`
`15:01.47`	`Clord`	`XD`
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`15:02.23`	`Clord`	`sheep critter is very useful :)`
`15:04.40`	`Mexa`	`While triggers may be slower, it is probably not affecting the gameplay at all`
`15:04.45`	`Mexa`	`Unless you're doing it wrong.`
`15:06.12`	`JManV\|Work`	`multiple triggers firing simultaneously will slow down gameplay`
`15:06.16`	`Mexa`	`yes`
`15:06.24`	`Mexa`	`But then you're doing it wrong:P`
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`15:07.28`	`Mexa`	`I wonder how that is in multiplayer though. Input is sent with intervals over battle.net to prevent certain things like mashing buttons to ruin the game.`
`15:07.39`	`Mexa`	`-as an example`
`15:09.13`	`JManV\|Work`	`well, i had a trigger on attack, and a trigger on damage`
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`15:09.34`	`JManV\|Work`	`and when a zealot attacked, if basically triggered three triggers simultaneously`
`15:09.42`	`JManV\|Work`	`which was enough to generate visible lag`
`15:09.53`	`Mexa`	`oh`
`15:09.55`	`JManV\|Work`	`despite the triggers ending fairly quickly`
`15:10.22`	`JManV\|Work`	`the attack trigger just changed the width of a dialog item (health bar) real quick`
`15:10.34`	`Mexa`	`The amount of players serves a great deal too right?`
`15:10.41`	`JManV\|Work`	`the other trigger had a wait(0.5) as the first line`
`15:10.46`	`JManV\|Work`	`that lagged on 1 player`
`15:11.02`	`Mexa`	`And it was over battle net :v?`
`15:11.05`	`JManV\|Work`	`ofc there were other things triggering in the background`
`15:11.10`	`JManV\|Work`	`yeah, on bnet`
`15:11.18`	`JManV\|Work`	`didn't lag in test document`
`15:11.46`	`JManV\|Work`	`it wasn't huge lag, but it was noticeable`
`15:11.56`	`Mexa`	`That's even weirder, because all my experiments with the triggers always lag when testing document`
`15:12.00`	`JManV\|Work`	`it was like a split second`
`15:12.01`	`Mexa`	`With the debugger that is`
`15:12.14`	`JManV\|Work`	`not sure i had debug on at the time`
`15:12.20`	`JManV\|Work`	`it was a while ago`
`15:12.24`	`Mexa`	`ok`
`15:12.39`	`JManV\|Work`	`but i'm not sure that's enough triggers firing for debug lag`
`15:12.43`	`Mexa`	`I know the debugger is definitly going to lag up any game, singpleplayer or not.`
`15:13.00`	`JManV\|Work`	`debug lag will occur with triggers firing multiple times a second, even if not concurrent`
`15:13.20`	`JManV\|Work`	`like something that might not normally cause lag at all`
`15:13.42`	`JManV\|Work`	`like i had a mouse move trigger on last week... horrendous debug lag`
`15:13.43`	`Mexa`	`Really? A periodic timer of the very least amount without anything inside is messing my debug up very badly after a really short period`
`15:14.03`	`JManV\|Work`	`yeah, that's actually what i'm saying`
`15:14.19`	`Mexa`	`mm, my bad, I misunderstood :)`
`15:14.20`	`JManV\|Work`	`that wouldn't cause lag in a normal game, but the debugger has to display that the event fired`
`15:14.40`	`JManV\|Work`	`and if it has to do that 32 times a second, it will lag`
`15:14.49`	`JManV\|Work`	`even if there's nothing wrong with the trigger`
`15:14.55`	`Mexa`	`aye, and also the strings are still in the lookup table, so the more time passing, the more will it allocate memory too`
`15:15.03`	`JManV\|Work`	`although a 1/32 periodic isn't a good trigger, generally`
`15:15.37`	`Mexa`	`So, if not a periodic trigger, what else?`
`15:15.42`	`Mexa`	`Waits?`
`15:16.37`	`JManV\|Work`	`yeah, waits are much better`
`15:16.48`	`JManV\|Work`	`triggers come with some pretty steep overhead`
`15:17.09`	`JManV\|Work`	`and a wait state is one of the best things you can do for lag. it allows other threads to process`
`15:17.26`	`JManV\|Work`	`it all stems from the fact that sc2 isn't actually multi-threaded`
`15:17.35`	`Mexa`	`but`
`15:17.44`	`JManV\|Work`	`a thread must give up control for another thread to start processing`
`15:17.55`	`Mexa`	`But triggers can still run simultaniously`
`15:17.56`	`JManV\|Work`	`a trigger event will demand control`
`15:18.07`	`JManV\|Work`	`they don't actually run simultaneously`
`15:18.21`	`JManV\|Work`	`it just appears so`
`15:18.23`	`Mexa`	`What about the native saying otherwise?`
`15:18.42`	`Dogmai`	`sixen`
`15:18.44`	`Dogmai`	`go to bed`
`15:18.46`	`Dogmai`	`thats what im doing`
`15:18.52`	`JManV\|Work`	`well, there's actually several ways to demonstrate it`
`15:19.00`	`Sixen`	`I already di`
`15:19.02`	`Sixen`	`And then woke up`
`15:19.02`	`Sixen`	`:(`
`15:19.04`	`JManV\|Work`	`create a unit and have an on create trigger do something to the unit`
`15:19.06`	`Dogmai`	`oh wow`
`15:19.07`	`Dogmai`	`that was fast`
`15:19.09`	`Sixen`	`Yeah, it sucks.`
`15:19.12`	`Dogmai`	`yea`
`15:19.13`	`Sixen`	`Only got 3 horus of sleep.`
`15:19.17`	`JManV\|Work`	`in the line after you create the unit, that trigger will not have run yet`
`15:19.17`	`Dogmai`	`=\`
`15:19.21`	`Dogmai`	`welcome to my life`
`15:19.23`	`Dogmai`	`im working too hard`
`15:19.24`	`Sixen`	`=/`
`15:19.26`	`Mexa`	`Perhaps event are not fired multithreaded, but you can excecute several triggers without waiting for each other.`
`15:19.32`	`Dogmai`	`take it easy mate, have a nanna nap later`
`15:19.48`	`Mexa`	`Well, that's what I though.`
`15:19.51`	`Mexa`	`*thought`
`15:19.56`	`JManV\|Work`	`you can queue several triggers`
`15:20.05`	`JManV\|Work`	`but the trigger execution is perfectly sequential`
`15:20.15`	`JManV\|Work`	`unless one of them enters a wait state`
`15:20.24`	`JManV\|Work`	`in which case, other triggers will be allowed to run`
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`15:20.50`	`JManV\|Work`	`another good example is "last created unit"`
`15:20.59`	`JManV\|Work`	`globals like that are not thread-sage`
`15:21.00`	`JManV\|Work`	`safe`
`15:21.12`	`Mexa`	`So, the native void TriggerExecute (trigger t, bool testConds, bool waitUntilDone); is mistaken?`
`15:21.19`	`JManV\|Work`	`in a truly multi-threaded environment, you wouldn't be able to do things like that`
`15:21.36`	`Mexa`	`I am expliticly thinking on the "waitUntilDone"`
`15:21.37`	`JManV\|Work`	`if you don't wait until done, the next line will run before the trigger does`
`15:22.00`	`Mexa`	`so`
`15:22.16`	`JManV\|Work`	`in fact, the entire function will finish first`
`15:22.18`	`Mexa`	`If I execute several triggers in a row and doesn't wait until done, how will that go?`
`15:22.20`	`JManV\|Work`	`unless it enters a wait state`
`15:22.37`	`JManV\|Work`	`it will queue up all those triggers`
`15:22.44`	`JManV\|Work`	`and execute them as soon as it can`
`15:22.47`	`JManV\|Work`	`= lag spike`
`15:23.00`	`Mexa`	`:7`
`15:23.16`	`JManV\|Work`	`unless the results of those triggers aren't time-dependant`
`15:23.30`	`JManV\|Work`	`if it truly doesn't matter when something happens, you won't notice`
`15:23.31`	`Mexa`	`Okay, and waitUntilDone only waits till the trigger reaches a wait, right?`
`15:23.45`	`Mexa`	`or get finished`
`15:23.49`	`JManV\|Work`	`yup`
`15:23.55`	`Mexa`	`Alright`
`15:24.02`	`Mexa`	`Thanks for clearing that up for me:P`
`15:24.05`	`JManV\|Work`	`so that's how lag spikes can be created by just a few concurrent triggers`
`15:24.23`	`Mexa`	`I never realised.`
`15:24.38`	`JManV\|Work`	`it took me a while to get to the heart of it`
`15:24.56`	`JManV\|Work`	`and there's been a lot of experimenting and testing done, even very recently`
`15:25.13`	`Mexa`	`But then, it would still be useful to not wait until done for stuff initialized when the map starts right?`
`15:25.18`	`JManV\|Work`	`grim was actually working on posting how threads worked with some concrete examples yesterday`
`15:25.32`	`Mexa`	`oh, I guess I was away`
`15:25.52`	`JManV\|Work`	`anything in a melee initialization trigger will happen before the map even opens`
`15:25.59`	`Mexa`	`yeah`
`15:26.05`	`JManV\|Work`	`i don't know about triggers fired from those triggers`
`15:26.20`	`Mexa`	`well, if they don't contain any waits`
`15:26.24`	`JManV\|Work`	`but entering a "wait for player input" loop during melee intialization... doesn't work`
`15:26.38`	`Mexa`	`I figured as much`
`15:27.01`	`JManV\|Work`	`its actually a nice feature that it runs all that before the map opens`
`15:27.16`	`JManV\|Work`	`so there's not a wait at the beginning of every map while everything initializes`
`15:27.31`	`JManV\|Work`	`there is, it's just covered up by the loading screen`
`15:27.35`	`Mexa`	`yeah`
`15:27.58`	`JManV\|Work`	`but there are some caveats if you try anything too tricky in melee initialization`
`15:28.50`	`Mexa`	`such as hitting the excecution limit?`
`15:29.13`	`JManV\|Work`	`i've never hit that ceiling on melee initialization`
`15:29.27`	`JManV\|Work`	`since triggers probably don't fire just yet, i'm not sure you can`
`15:29.43`	`Mexa`	`Hm, what about stuff before the map init event?`
`15:29.55`	`JManV\|Work`	`how can something happen before that?`
`15:30.05`	`JManV\|Work`	`bank preloads do, actually`
`15:30.17`	`Mexa`	`custom scripts have the option to initialize upon map`
`15:30.18`	`JManV\|Work`	`back preloads happen before everything, no matter where they are in the code`
`15:30.25`	`Mexa`	`But that happends through InitMap()`
`15:30.30`	`Mexa`	`So it's not a trigger`
`15:30.39`	`JManV\|Work`	`that's the same thing as a melee initialization trigger`
`15:30.47`	`Mexa`	`But it's not a trigger`
`15:30.51`	`Mexa`	`:v`
`15:30.54`	`JManV\|Work`	`hmm`
`15:30.59`	`JManV\|Work`	`i guess i'm not familiar with it`
`15:31.05`	`JManV\|Work`	`i'm a GUI whore myself :P`
`15:31.21`	`JManV\|Work`	`but i've got some pretty good fundamentals on how the script works`
`15:31.31`	`Mexa`	`InitMap calls a bunch of stuff, InitLibraries, InitCustomScripts and InitTriggers and so on`
`15:31.51`	`Mexa`	`So it's in that customscript init it can chose to do stuff`
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`15:32.20`	`JManV\|Work`	`hmmm. not sure how that works`
`15:32.21`	`Mexa`	`It has flaws however, such as that certain handle types are not correctly available`
`15:32.24`	`Mexa`	`Such as playergroups`
`15:32.48`	`JManV\|Work`	`it might be another one of those special case, "happens before everything else no matter where it is"`
`15:33.10`	`Mexa`	`could be.`
`15:33.13`	`JManV\|Work`	`like, you can put back preload function calls in a trigger with no event, and it will still happen`
`15:33.37`	`Mexa`	`waitwhat?`
`15:33.43`	`JManV\|Work`	`that's right`
`15:33.45`	`JManV\|Work`	`i've done it`
`15:33.52`	`Mexa`	`What do you mean?`
`15:34.34`	`JManV\|Work`	`preload banks, the function`
`15:34.43`	`JManV\|Work`	`if you call it from a trigger with no event`
`15:34.47`	`JManV\|Work`	`it will still run`
`15:34.50`	`JManV\|Work`	`before everything else`
`15:35.30`	`JManV\|Work`	`this is actually why you can't use variables for preload banks`
`15:35.37`	`JManV\|Work`	`because they don't actually exist yet`
`15:35.44`	`Mexa`	`Because it is not a function`
`15:35.52`	`Mexa`	`It is just a helper action blizzard made up`
`15:35.57`	`JManV\|Work`	`yeah, it doesn't evalutate to anything in script`
`15:36.02`	`Mexa`	`Yup`
`15:36.12`	`JManV\|Work`	`its really weird`
`15:36.57`	`Mexa`	`I suspect it's just a a way blizzard allowed preloading banks without having the need for you explicitly to create a bankpreloader xml and parse it there.`
`15:37.15`	`Mexa`	`Simplified for the regular user`
`15:37.26`	`Mexa`	`or something:>`
`15:37.56`	`JManV\|Work`	`yeah, something like that`
`15:39.00`	`JManV\|Work`	`anyways, i find it's useful to know how this stuff works internally`
`15:39.09`	`Mexa`	`yes, definitly`
`15:39.15`	`JManV\|Work`	`otherwise you run into situations you don't understand`
`15:39.23`	`JManV\|Work`	`like lag spikes from just 3 triggers`
`15:39.30`	`Mexa`	`Mmh, there's a ton I don't really know yet`
`15:39.42`	`Mexa`	`And I will probably never learn everything`
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`15:40.06`	`Mexa`	`Oh meh, I am going to take a coffee break`
`15:40.09`	`JManV\|Work`	`no, there's still a lot of fields in the data editor that are just huge question marks`
`15:40.10`	`Mexa`	`Had so little sleep.`
`15:40.14`	`Mexa`	`Yeah`
`15:40.20`	`Mexa`	`I haven't touched the data editor`
`15:40.33`	`Mexa`	`So most of it is pretty confusing still.`
`15:42.00`	`Mexa`	`Well JMan, I gtg for a while`
`15:42.07`	`Mexa`	`Seeya later!`
`15:42.30`	`JManV\|Work`	`later man`
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`16:02.29`	`Caederis`	`I have an effect-target ability that triggers a Search Area effect, and I have created a model actor that should create itself when the Search Area starts. Do you have any idea why it creates itself on the caster instead of the targeted point ?`
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`16:02.48`	`JManV\|Work`	`yeah`
`16:03.03`	`JManV\|Work`	`fire the actor event on the effect the search area fires`
`16:04.27`	`Caederis`	`and if it fires none ?`
`16:04.34`	`Caederis`	`and what if there is no unit in the search ?`
`16:05.03`	`JManV\|Work`	`if it fires none, then you create a dummy effect`
`16:05.18`	`JManV\|Work`	`and if there's no unit, the actor would not fire in the circumstance`
`16:05.28`	`Caederis`	`so that's not what I want`
`16:05.40`	`JManV\|Work`	`you want it at the target point?`
`16:05.45`	`Caederis`	`actually, your solution would fire on each unit in the search`
`16:05.56`	`Caederis`	`I want just one actor at the targetted location`
`16:06.07`	`JManV\|Work`	`yeah, i thought that's what you wanted`
`16:06.24`	`JManV\|Work`	`psi storm fires an actor at the target point. i'd take a look at that`
`16:06.31`	`JManV\|Work`	`i myself haven't done anything quite like that`
`16:07.32`	`Caederis`	`well`
`16:07.43`	`Caederis`	`I had done something exactly like that before, and it worked`
`16:07.49`	`Caederis`	`and I can't find the difference`
`16:08.03`	`Caederis`	`I thought it might have been something stupid, that's why I asked`
`16:08.07`	`JManV\|Work`	`what's your actor event?`
`16:08.12`	`JManV\|Work`	`it probably is`
`16:08.14`	`Caederis`	`it is exactly like Fungal Growth actually`
`16:08.16`	`Caederis`	`well`
`16:08.30`	`Caederis`	`Effect.MySearchArea.Start`
`16:08.33`	`Caederis`	`-> Create`
`16:08.57`	`Caederis`	`it is the same in fungal growth, and also in my other ability which works...`
`16:08.59`	`JManV\|Work`	`try changing that "start" to anything?`
`16:09.55`	`JManV\|Work`	`hmmm`
`16:11.02`	`JManV\|Work`	`psi storm creates a persistant and then a search area`
`16:11.36`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`Hey JMan?`
`16:11.59`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`I thought of another thing. Are there any tests on TriggerExecute vs TriggerEvaluate?`
`16:15.47`	`JManV\|Work`	`what does triggerevalutate do?`
`16:16.59`	`JManV\|Work`	`yeah, caederis, the actor fires off the persistant`
`16:17.15`	`JManV\|Work`	`so i think the persistant exists for the sole purpose of having something to fire the actor from`
`16:17.21`	`JManV\|Work`	`then the search area happens`
`16:17.38`	`Caederis`	`maybe, I'm trying something like that`
`16:17.57`	`Caederis`	`no, that's not it`
`16:18.09`	`Caederis`	`if i change the effect of my ability to Fungal Growth - Search`
`16:18.22`	`Caederis`	`it correctly fires the actor of fungal growth at the correct location`
`16:18.32`	`Caederis`	`I'm trying to find the difference between the two searches`
`16:18.42`	`JManV\|Work`	`hmmm. i didn't look at fungal growth`
`16:21.04`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`Triggerevaluate runs the trigger`
`16:21.17`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`What it does as well is to return the value the trigger return`
`16:22.14`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`So TriggerEvaluate could in Blizzard's sense be used to evaluate a trigger and see if it matches the condition you are giving it`
`16:22.28`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`But it can be used for other purposes.`
`16:23.13`	`JManV\|Work`	`well, trigger conditions don't actually exist`
`16:23.21`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`I know`
`16:23.29`	`JManV\|Work`	`if you look at the script that's generated, they just become if statements`
`16:23.32`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`Thus why I said "in Blizzard's sense"`
`16:23.43`	`JManV\|Work`	`so i can't imagine there being a performance difference`
`16:23.59`	`JManV\|Work`	`although not actually running actions might speed it up some`
`16:24.28`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`Well thats what I mean`
`16:24.41`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`Using evaluate would allow you to run the actions`
`16:24.51`	`Caederis`	`Ok, the error is in my actor, If I modify fungal growth actor to fire off my search effect, it fires correctly. I'm trying to find the error now.`
`16:24.55`	`JManV\|Work`	`i don't know of an explicit tests to that end`
`16:25.02`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`Alright`
`16:25.30`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`I just know there was a difference in the corresponding ExecuteTrigger and EvaluateTrigger in Jass`
`16:25.46`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`But that is an unrelated matter I guess`
`16:26.43`	`JManV\|Work`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:26.43`	`JManV\|Work`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:26.43`	`JManV\|Work`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:26.59`	`JManV\|Work`	`it checks conditions first, then runs this code`
`16:27.06`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`No one is forcing you to put that condition there`
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`16:27.18`	`JManV\|Work`	`not when you do custom script, no`
`16:27.23`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`exactly`
`16:27.27`	`JManV\|Work`	`but the GUI puts that there automatically`
`16:27.30`	`JademusSreg`	`Nice unicorn.`
`16:27.31`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`Yeah`
`16:27.45`	`JManV\|Work`	`so, if that's there, it will evaluate the conditions and return`
`16:27.54`	`JManV\|Work`	`which is typically rather fast`
`16:28.10`	`JManV\|Work`	`but it still operates just like any trigger`
`16:28.20`	`JManV\|Work`	`which i actually tested yesterday`
`16:28.23`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`Yes, but Iw as thinking about the execution itself`
`16:28.36`	`JManV\|Work`	`conditions are no different than an if statement inside the body`
`16:28.47`	`JManV\|Work`	`what about it?`
`16:29.04`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`It uses two different natives that what I am at`
`16:29.21`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`So I was rather thinking the execution between those two could be different`
`16:29.28`	`JManV\|Work`	`i doubt it`
`16:29.35`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`It was in jass :)`
`16:29.38`	`JManV\|Work`	`it just sends different parameters to the trigger`
`16:29.54`	`JManV\|Work`	`much like selecting waitforcompletion`
`16:29.58`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`Yes, and sending less parameters is faster as of what I saw`
`16:30.15`	`JManV\|Work`	`well, it sends two parameters no matter what`
`16:30.25`	`JManV\|Work`	`it's just whether those parameters are true or false`
`16:30.43`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`I guess it's nothing to bother like you are saying.`
`16:31.07`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`Just an idea:p`
`16:31.16`	`JademusSreg`	`still wished we had IntToBool.`
`16:31.28`	`JManV\|Work`	`make it?`
`16:31.42`	`Nash\|327`	`int to bool?`
`16:31.44`	`JManV\|Work`	`i just wish you could evaluate it inline`
`16:31.46`	`Nash\|327`	`D_D`
`16:32.16`	`JManV\|Work`	`yeah: bool IntToBool(intval) { if(intval == 0) return false; return true; }`
`16:32.18`	`JManV\|Work`	`done`
`16:32.33`	`Nash\|327`	`5 = true :G`
`16:32.43`	`JManV\|Work`	`absolutely 5 = true`
`16:32.56`	`JManV\|Work`	`any non-zero integer is generally considered to be boolean true`
`16:32.58`	`JademusSreg`	`Jman, that misses the point.`
`16:32.59`	`JManV\|Work`	`even -1`
`16:33.16`	`JManV\|Work`	`how so?`
`16:33.29`	`JManV\|Work`	`it should exist in the first place? or it should have function call overhead?`
`16:33.33`	`Nash\|327`	`Yes, but it still feels wrong.`
`16:33.40`	`JademusSreg`	`The bits need to stay the same, the value needs to be typecasted.`
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`16:34.05`	`JManV\|Work`	`how can the bits stay the same when you convert 32-bits to 1?`
`16:34.07`	`JademusSreg`	`So that int data can be passed via bool through a trigger's parameters.`
`16:34.29`	`JademusSreg`	`Jman, 32-bit bool implementation.`
`16:34.38`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`How would that work?`
`16:34.41`	`JManV\|Work`	`so you mean implicit casting?`
`16:34.52`	`JManV\|Work`	`at the most, bools are 8 bit`
`16:35.03`	`JademusSreg`	`Naw. But wc3 also had a 32-bit implementation.`
`16:35.25`	`Nash\|327`	`one memory address is not 8 bits`
`16:38.22`	`Nash\|327`	`You could store 4 8 bit values in one memory address, but you'd have to do arithmetic to shift and then bitwise OR or such`
`16:38.56`	`JademusSreg`	`Anyway, TriggerExecute allows you to pass a bool to testCond parameter.`
`16:40.13`	`JademusSreg`	`Since it doesn't do anything by itself, one could reappropriate it to serve more useful ends.`
`16:40.26`	`JademusSreg`	`That is, if we could cast IntToBool.`
`16:40.53`	`JManV\|Work`	`oh`
`16:41.06`	`JManV\|Work`	`so you're looking to subvert normal trigger usage`
`16:42.11`	`JademusSreg`	`Not quite. I'd like to expand on the capability of existing triggers.`
`16:42.29`	`JManV\|Work`	`by passing integers to them`
`16:42.36`	`JademusSreg`	`We'd just need to ask the editor devs to include it.`
`16:42.58`	`JManV\|Work`	`or we could just have function pointers`
`16:43.36`	`JManV\|Work`	`cuz your proposition sounds awful "hacky"`
`16:43.49`	`Sixen`	`Itneresting, what am I missing..`
`16:43.50`	`JManV\|Work`	`although, by the same token you could also return an integer from a trigger`
`16:44.04`	`JManV\|Work`	`EVERYTHING!`
`16:46.09`	`JManV\|Work`	`we've mostly been talking about how GE does things internally`
`16:46.17`	`JManV\|Work`	`like threads and triggers`
`16:47.03`	`JManV\|Work`	`and how awesome map night will be`
`16:47.03`	`JademusSreg`	`I'm just wishing we had IntToBool.`
`16:47.21`	`JademusSreg`	`So we could expand on the capabilities of triggers.`
`16:47.59`	`JManV\|Work`	`well, since its not multi-threaded, i just use global variables`
`16:48.00`	`Sixen`	`hmph`
`16:48.26`	`JManV\|Work`	`and wrapper functions to retrieve them`
`16:48.50`	`JademusSreg`	`If we had lossless IntToBool, and if the existing BoolToInt is also lossless, we could pass more data through testCond. =D`
`16:49.22`	`JManV\|Work`	`and run actions`
`16:49.25`	`JManV\|Work`	`and the return value`
`16:49.29`	`JademusSreg`	`But the editor devs would need to add the former, and confirm the latter would be lossless.`
`16:50.06`	`JademusSreg`	`Still, it opens up a lot of possibilities.`
`16:50.27`	`JManV\|Work`	`that wouldn't be enough for me really, though`
`16:50.43`	`JManV\|Work`	`i fire my own triggers based on building events`
`16:50.51`	`JManV\|Work`	`and i need like 4 peiced of data`
`16:51.06`	`JManV\|Work`	`the building id, the triggering unit, the source unit, and the building name`
`16:51.44`	`JManV\|Work`	`also the event type (sometimes)`
`16:52.37`	`JManV\|Work`	`but i also use an array of triggers for building generation, and a single int would be sufficient for that...`
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`16:54.19`	`JademusSreg`	`4 pieces of data can be passed in a sense, if you put them in a struct array, and pass the index.`
`16:55.17`	`JManV\|Work`	`thats logically equivilent to globals`
`16:55.28`	`JManV\|Work`	`except it would be a little more thread safe`
`16:55.33`	`JManV\|Work`	`if that were relevant`
`16:55.54`	`JademusSreg`	`=D`
`16:56.12`	`JademusSreg`	`Well, you said you needed to pass 4, and I said how.`
`16:56.20`	`JademusSreg`	`Didn't say it would be better than X.`
`16:56.32`	`JManV\|Work`	`well, it's also currently impossible :P`
`16:56.48`	`JManV\|Work`	`where as globals with wrapper functions does work`
`16:57.02`	`JManV\|Work`	`it's basically the equivilent of "triggering unit"`
`16:57.35`	`JademusSreg`	`Anyway, I'd use it for shit like exception handling and passing flags.`
`16:59.01`	`JManV\|Work`	`i don't actually need wrapper functions, but i don't like refering to globals directly`
`16:59.40`	`JManV\|Work`	`esp since the globals are in my mod and i can hide them as being "internal"`
`16:59.55`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`Hmm`
`17:00.04`	`JManV\|Work`	`and the events are used to fire story events, which are fired from the map`
`17:00.13`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`.. you are 100% sure sc2 trigger's aren't multithreaded?`
`17:00.31`	`JManV\|Work`	`its a fake multi-threading`
`17:00.46`	`JManV\|Work`	`but it doesn't actually parallel process anything, no`
`17:01.07`	`JManV\|Work`	`otherwise "last created unit" would regularly return the wrong thing`
`17:01.14`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`I wonder how I could have two triggers KeyPress, KeyRelease, and then for some reason, the event fired in this order: KeyPress, KeyPress, KeyRelease`
`17:01.34`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`for the same key`
`17:01.52`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`And I was furious, because that destroyed my system.`
`17:02.28`	`JManV\|Work`	`that's a little weird that it could happen at all`
`17:02.30`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`So if triggers aren't multithreaded, how could that even happend?`
`17:02.37`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`Yes`
`17:02.54`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`Well, the thing was, I had a global bool determining if the key was pressed or not`
`17:02.55`	`JManV\|Work`	`i'm not sure how it could happen if they were multi-threaded`
`17:03.12`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`The two triggers would sequently set pressed = !pressed`
`17:03.24`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`or wait, true and false ofcourse`
`17:03.31`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`Well`
`17:03.36`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`Yeah, lol, true`
`17:03.43`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`I'm not sure why it happend at all`
`17:05.00`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`I had two triggers, each having their turns of setting a variable to "not it's other value"`
`17:05.57`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`Somehow, the variable got messed up having the value opposite what it was intended to.`
`17:06.06`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`durr...`
`17:06.53`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`Then again, it only happend when I was mashing buttons :v`
`17:06.54`	`JademusSreg`	`Mexa, did you take a look at my script?`
`17:07.06`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`Your input system?`
`17:07.35`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`If it's the one, I already have it open`
`17:08.12`	`JademusSreg`	`=D`
`17:08.25`	`JManV\|Work`	`then it's basically already done`
`17:08.41`	`JManV\|Work`	`anyways, i'm gonna go to lunch`
`17:08.48`	`JManV\|Work`	`i have hunger`
`17:08.56`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`seeya!`
`17:09.10`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`Hey Jademus btw`
`17:09.22`	`JManV\|Fooooodz`	`you're still AFK :P`
`17:09.39`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`April's fools!!`
`17:09.41`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`No..`
`17:09.53`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`I just tend to forget it`
`17:10.05`	`JademusSreg`	`Skyrim is looking damn good.`
`17:10.14`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`Jademus I have a question regarding your input`
`17:10.19`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`system*`
`17:10.24`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`library`
`17:10.25`	`JademusSreg`	`It has me looking forward to the next Fallout game.`
`17:11.13`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`... the design, would it be beneficial to have two triggers, one detecting keypress and one detecting keyrelease? Why not everything in the same trigger?`
`17:11.26`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`keypress and release that is.`
`17:11.53`	`JademusSreg`	`Different events, same action?`
`17:12.26`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`No, you could just set the pressed key to not pressed I mean.`
`17:12.43`	`JademusSreg`	`Explain what you mean.`
`17:13.40`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`Well, a key is always in a nonpressed state when you start the map, so that would make all keys pressed in the beginning, yes?`
`17:13.59`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`So whenever you press a key, you set it's pressed state to !pressed`
`17:14.11`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`and it would work the same for releasing it`
`17:14.23`	`JademusSreg`	`Not making sense.`
`17:14.53`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`So instead of having to separate function setting the state to true or false`
`17:15.03`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`You set playerInput[EventPlayer()].key.state[EventKeyPressed()] = !playerInput[EventPlayer()].key.state[EventKeyPressed()]`
`17:15.16`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`in other words, the opposite value`
`17:15.20`	`JademusSreg`	`Ah.`
`17:15.30`	`JademusSreg`	`A simpler toggle.`
`17:15.35`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`yeah`
`17:16.20`	`JademusSreg`	`That would save a few lines of code. Roughly 4.`
`17:16.28`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`:p`
`17:16.52`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`And save one trigger (yay..)`
`17:16.59`	`JademusSreg`	`Wouldn't improve performance, not sure it would affect readability.`
`17:17.04`	`JademusSreg`	`Naw, same number of triggers.`
`17:17.15`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`what, how?`
`17:17.22`	`JademusSreg`	`It only saves on one function.`
`17:17.35`	`JademusSreg`	`Because you -need- to detect press and release.`
`17:17.58`	`JademusSreg`	`It would be two triggers sharing the same action function.`
`17:18.18`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`But you could make it one too.`
`17:18.23`	`JademusSreg`	`Nope.`
`17:18.25`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`Just with two events`
`17:18.42`	`JademusSreg`	`Oh, I see where you're going.`
`17:18.55`	`JademusSreg`	`Yeah, I'm done.`
`17:18.58`	`JademusSreg`	`dumb`
`17:19.00`	`JademusSreg`	`=D`
`17:19.05`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`:P`
`17:19.16`	`Nash\|327`	`TWO EVENTS? BLASPHEMY!`
`17:19.23`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`lol`
`17:19.54`	`Nash\|327`	`What if you hold a key down while map loads?`
`17:19.59`	`JademusSreg`	`But I like players being able to toggle in the constants which triggers get created.`
`17:20.02`	`Nash\|327`	`D:`
`17:20.06`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`It wont trigger neither that press or release`
`17:20.08`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`I have tested.`
`17:20.25`	`Nash\|327`	`Even if you release it after map is loaded?`
`17:20.29`	`JademusSreg`	`So I won't be changing that.`
`17:20.29`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`yes`
`17:20.35`	`Nash\|327`	`Nifty.`
`17:20.55`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`Pausing the game seems also to work`
`17:21.01`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`No matter what you try with the keys`
`17:21.23`	`Nash\|327`	`Must find some way to break your trigger!`
`17:21.36`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`Jademus, alright, it was just an idea, so do what you want:>`
`17:21.51`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`Nash, I hope not:)`
`17:21.51`	`Nash\|327`	`Do what you want? DO WHAT YOU WANT?`
`17:22.09`	`Nash\|327`	`WHERE WOULD WE BE TODAY IF PEOPLE DO WHAT THEY WANT?`
`17:22.38`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`hmm... in the apocalypse`
`17:22.40`	`Nash\|327`	`I can tell you're not cut out for being dictator.`
`17:23.02`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`But because Jademus may do what he want doesn't mean I said you may:p`
`17:23.05`	`Nash\|327`	`Oh well, less competition for me.`
`17:23.08`	`JademusSreg`	`It's a decent idea, it would just interfere with the configurability of the user.`
`17:23.30`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`Well yes, it would.`
`17:23.32`	`Nash\|327`	`When I rule the world, you will do what I want!`
`17:23.42`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`Like if you only want to detect keypresses for instance`
`17:24.18`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`Ohwell, off I go, shower, then dev lan`
`17:24.22`	`Mexa\|Afk`	`Seeya guys`
`17:24.44`	`Obatztrara`	`bb`
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`17:31.40`	`JademusSreg`	`Seen the Horadric Cube gag?`
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`17:41.50`	`JManV\|Work`	`so i think i'm gonna break up with my gf tomorrow...`
`17:42.37`	`JManV\|Work`	`it's been a hard decision`
`17:44.43`	`JademusSreg`	`Congrats.`
`17:44.49`	`JManV\|Work`	`thanks :(`
`17:44.53`	`JManV\|Work`	`dick :)`
`17:45.07`	`JademusSreg`	`=D`
`17:45.24`	`JManV\|Work`	`i care about her, but sadly i think i would be better off without her`
`17:45.50`	`JademusSreg`	`I know how that is.`
`17:46.43`	`JManV\|Work`	`she asks for a lot, and maybe i should be asking for more in return, but it doesn't feel like i'm really getting much out of the relationship`
`17:47.36`	`JManV\|Work`	`i think i have to much going on right now to be in a relationship anyways`
`17:48.45`	`JManV\|Work`	`she's gonna make it hard for me though... she's not gonna want to let go`
`17:49.19`	`JademusSreg`	`is reminded of Rick Roll.`
`17:49.28`	`JManV\|Work`	`so i'm dreading this`
`17:49.31`	`JManV\|Work`	`rick roll?`
`17:49.48`	`JManV\|Work`	`never gonna give, never gonna give`
`17:49.56`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes.`
`17:49.59`	`JademusSreg`	`Exactly.`
`17:50.04`	`JManV\|Work`	`Give you up`
`17:51.09`	`JManV\|Work`	`so i'm gonna be the mature adult and do it in person... which is going to be grueling`
`17:52.04`	`JManV\|Work`	`but i digest`
`17:54.17`	`JademusSreg`	`Pulling off the optimal break up is a rare thing.`
`17:54.58`	`JManV\|Work`	`well, i think it's better that saying "i need space", being apart for weeks, and then realizing i still want to break up with her`
`17:55.23`	`JManV\|Work`	`cuz i don't think space is going to do anything`
`17:55.49`	`JManV\|Work`	`i probably should have broken up with her some time ago, but i was kind of afraid of being single, i'm embarassed to say`
`17:56.01`	`JManV\|Work`	`but at this point, i think i'd rather be single`
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`17:58.52`	`JademusSreg`	`The festering sting of rejection.`
`17:59.29`	`JManV\|Work`	`yeah, i had a rough time the last time i was single`
`17:59.42`	`JManV\|Work`	`was single for like 3+, and it really drained on my confidence`
`17:59.45`	`JademusSreg`	`Anyway, clarity, empathy, and resolve, these are the optimal break up qualities.`
`17:59.47`	`JManV\|Work`	`3+ years`
`18:00.58`	`JManV\|Work`	`yeah, i'm gonna try`
`18:01.33`	`JManV\|Work`	`just talking it through is making me realize more and more how much i need to do this`
`18:02.14`	`JManV\|Work`	`my job, my diet, and exercise have all suffered as a direct result of dating her`
`18:02.36`	`JManV\|Work`	`and she holds me on a pedastal where i can do no wrong, so i have no reason to better myself`
`18:02.46`	`JManV\|Work`	`i want someone to tell me when i'm being a fucking slob`
`18:02.57`	`JManV\|Work`	`or to get on my case for smoking too much`
`18:04.05`	`JManV\|Work`	`to a point, of course`
`18:05.45`	`JManV\|Work`	`i don't want someone to make me feel like shit, but i do want someone who pushes me to be a better me... instead of standing in the way of that`
`18:07.07`	`JManV\|Work`	`but in map related news...`
`18:07.11`	`JManV\|Work`	`i got nothin.`
`18:08.00`	`JademusSreg`	`Hah.`
`18:08.27`	`JManV\|Work`	`although i am getting super close`
`18:08.44`	`JManV\|Work`	`pushing those dialog buttons actually gives you a starting pokemon, which you can then use in combat`
`18:08.47`	`JManV\|Work`	`which is pretty cool`
`18:09.04`	`JademusSreg`	`Yay.`
`18:09.56`	`JManV\|Work`	`it's also pretty cool, because i needed to build a number of story-building functions in order to get everything works`
`18:09.58`	`JManV\|Work`	`working`
`18:10.15`	`JManV\|Work`	`so the story engine is largely working`
`18:11.10`	`JManV\|Work`	`normally the story would be largely event (trigger) driven, but it's harder to set up those triggers inside of dynamic buildings`
`18:11.18`	`JManV\|Work`	`as well as refering to the units inside of those buildings`
`18:11.54`	`JademusSreg`	`Galaxy permits dynamic triggering.`
`18:11.57`	`JademusSreg`	`=D`
`18:12.11`	`JManV\|Work`	`yeah, that's what i use`
`18:12.21`	`JManV\|Work`	`but there's no trigger for "unit leaves building"`
`18:12.29`	`Skizot`	`dammit`
`18:12.35`	`JManV\|Work`	`so i needed to create the mechanism to register and fire such triggers`
`18:12.43`	`JademusSreg`	`Yup.`
`18:12.54`	`JademusSreg`	`A custom event, so to speak.`
`18:13.03`	`JManV\|Work`	`and i also added named points and named units to buildings`
`18:13.28`	`JManV\|Work`	`so you can say, spawn a unit at a named point and then name him for retrieval later`
`18:13.42`	`JManV\|Work`	`stetmann for example`
`18:14.12`	`JManV\|Work`	`its a pretty cool engine`
`18:14.26`	`JManV\|Work`	`but the building engine itself is getting a little more complex than i'd like`
`18:14.52`	`JademusSreg`	`I'm just hoping for an infinite dungeon.`
`18:14.54`	`JManV\|Work`	`it might need some refactoring soon. the orginization is getting a little sloppy`
`18:15.15`	`JManV\|Work`	`this could do it, but it relies on pregenerated buildings`
`18:15.42`	`JManV\|Work`	`however, the buildings are generated using triggers, so there's no reason the trigger couldn't generate the building dynamically`
`18:15.53`	`JademusSreg`	`I could easily have played FFT for thousands of more hours if it had an infinite dungeon.`
`18:16.09`	`JManV\|Work`	`heh`
`18:16.13`	`JManV\|Work`	`that's an interesting idea`
`18:16.21`	`JManV\|Work`	`maybe i could do some cave crawls like that`
`18:17.10`	`JManV\|Work`	`no reason i need to stick to the pokemon formula religiously if its inately limited in some places`
`18:17.29`	`JManV\|Work`	`i do want to reduce some of the grind factor tho`
`18:18.02`	`JademusSreg`	`Emulation without innovation is the religious approach to culture. =D`
`18:18.17`	`JManV\|Work`	`if players are going to spend mass hours on my game, i'd rather have it be the multi-player interactive features`
`18:18.29`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes, of course.`
`18:18.45`	`JManV\|Work`	`i don't want to force 60 hours of 1-player grinding`
`18:18.49`	`JademusSreg`	`But sometimes you want to see how far you can go before perishing.`
`18:19.10`	`JademusSreg`	`Which is why I like super massive optional dungeons.`
`18:19.48`	`JManV\|Work`	`well, bbiaw`
`18:20.12`	`JademusSreg`	`If the gameplay is good, then you'll want to allow players to experience it for as long as they enjoy it through multiplayer and optional areas.`
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`18:34.23`	`Mexa`	`hi`
`18:35.08`	`JademusSreg`	`Hi.`
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`18:46.18`	`JademusSreg`	`pew pew`
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`19:05.50`	`Mexa`	`hmm`
`19:06.41`	`Mexa`	`If I store values in a datatable local to the thread, will this mean I can retrieve those values within the same trigger?`
`19:06.55`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes.`
`19:07.21`	`Mexa`	`And even for the same trigger running it's events several times?`
`19:07.38`	`JademusSreg`	`It has to be the same instance of the trigger.`
`19:07.41`	`Mexa`	`Yes`
`19:07.58`	`Mexa`	`But as ling as it is the same trigger firing no matter the event, it will work right?`
`19:08.00`	`Mexa`	`*long`
`19:08.08`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes.`
`19:08.12`	`Mexa`	`Great!`
`19:08.39`	`Mexa`	`It seems locally stored variables are faster to access.`
`19:09.00`	`Mexa`	`In the datatable.`
`19:09.10`	`JademusSreg`	`Hm.`
`19:09.33`	`Mexa`	`Or am I just delusional now? I tested that too awhile back.`
`19:09.57`	`Mexa`	`Meh, I should test again`
`19:10.00`	`JademusSreg`	`You're saying local data table is faster than global data table or faster than what?`
`19:10.05`	`Mexa`	`yes`
`19:10.08`	`Mexa`	`exactly`
`19:10.13`	`JademusSreg`	`That makes sense.`
`19:10.16`	`Mexa`	`ok`
`19:10.32`	`Mexa`	`At least I am not on the wrong track then:p`
`19:10.37`	`JademusSreg`	`=D`
`19:12.11`	`JademusSreg`	`Your input has got me thinking on some slight improvements I could make to Input.`
`19:12.20`	`Mexa`	`oh?`
`19:12.44`	`Mexa`	`I think buttons can be optimised the same way`
`19:12.55`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes. Storing the triggers in globals so players can disable them if they wish.`
`19:13.07`	`Mexa`	`ah`
`19:13.17`	`JademusSreg`	`Your idea would work, I realized.`
`19:13.24`	`JademusSreg`	`But it would interfere with disabling.`
`19:13.29`	`Mexa`	`Yeah`
`19:13.40`	`Mexa`	`That could be an issue, depending what you need the system for`
`19:14.01`	`JademusSreg`	`It's mutually exclusive, improving efficiency at the expense of control.`
`19:14.27`	`JademusSreg`	`I could do either one.`
`19:14.37`	`JademusSreg`	`But only one.`
`19:15.11`	`JademusSreg`	`Without adding grotesque ifs to my actions. D=`
`19:16.00`	`JademusSreg`	`At least you're spot on about your input, Mexa. =D`
`19:17.22`	`Mexa`	`:)`
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`19:18.13`	`Mexa`	`The system would work for stuff that would require the same thing out of players, eg say driving or something similar`
`19:18.38`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes.`
`19:18.56`	`Mexa`	`But if it were turnbased you might want to turn off triggers per player to minimize network traffic.`
`19:19.06`	`Mexa`	`Yeah, I got that you already know this`
`19:19.07`	`Mexa`	`:>`
`19:19.29`	`JademusSreg`	`I have a hard-on for making it more efficient. I'll think about it some more, see if I can bridge the gap of seeming mutual exclusivity.`
`19:20.18`	`Mexa`	`mm`
`19:20.19`	`JademusSreg`	`There is yet no evidence that disabling triggers works to throttle the network traffic generated by the unput detection events.`
`19:20.26`	`Mexa`	`Well`
`19:20.31`	`JademusSreg`	`Though I'd really love it if someone would test it.`
`19:20.42`	`Mexa`	`I'd only speculate or hope it did`
`19:21.12`	`JademusSreg`	`I can only say, anecdotally, that it doesn't seem to, since I ran into that problem during the development of Id.`
`19:21.15`	`Mexa`	`As otherwise disabling triggers would be pointless vs "enable" locking bools.`
`19:21.30`	`Mexa`	`oh`
`19:21.30`	`JademusSreg`	`Exactly; I prefer the latter.`
`19:21.35`	`Mexa`	`Oh okay`
`19:22.35`	`Mexa`	`Hmm, and how would one measure the throttle of the network traffic?`
`19:22.48`	`Mexa`	`I have no experience in those kind of things.`
`19:23.01`	`JademusSreg`	`That is a challenge I haven't dealt with.`
`19:23.17`	`JademusSreg`	`Which is partly why I haven't tested it.`
`19:23.28`	`Mexa`	`Alright.`
`19:28.44`	`JManV\|Work`	`bak`
`19:29.15`	`JademusSreg`	`Welcome.`
`19:29.36`	`JademusSreg`	`I'm watching FruitDealer vs HopeTorture/Rainbow`
`19:30.32`	`JManV\|Work`	`why can't it be 60 degrees?`
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`19:30.47`	`Motive`	`Rawr`
`19:30.47`	`JManV\|Work`	`i demand that it be 60 degrees or higher!`
`19:31.07`	`Motive`	`I DEMAND THAT IT BE A PERFECT 73 DEGREES`
`19:31.08`	`JademusSreg`	`I prefer 69-72`
`19:31.13`	`Motive`	`74 seems too hot`
`19:31.18`	`Motive`	`70 is too cold`
`19:31.25`	`Motive`	`72 is sometimes still too cold in my house`
`19:31.27`	`Motive`	`so 73 works fine`
`19:31.28`	`JManV\|Work`	`60 degrees is the minimum before i can take the top down on my car`
`19:31.33`	`Motive`	`psh`
`19:31.40`	`Motive`	`I do that in 40 degree weather`
`19:31.42`	`Motive`	`it's fun`
`19:31.46`	`JManV\|Work`	`well it do`
`19:31.48`	`Motive`	`just throw the seat warmer on and you'll be fine`
`19:32.00`	`JManV\|Work`	`but 60 degrees is the minimum without requiring gloves or the heater running`
`19:32.47`	`Motive`	`wimp`
`19:33.09`	`JManV\|Work`	`(or without ppl calling me a crazy person)`
`19:33.20`	`Mexa`	`I assume this is farenheit not celcius, right?`
`19:33.27`	`JManV\|Work`	`plus its gloomy today. that defeats the point of taking down the top in the first place`
`19:33.35`	`Motive`	`psh`
`19:33.50`	`Motive`	`it was gloomy in north carolina and we were at a dead stop in traffic`
`19:33.53`	`JManV\|Work`	`yeah farenheit. metric system is for normal countries!`
`19:33.56`	`Motive`	`did that stop me from blasting the entire interstate with my stereo?`
`19:33.56`	`Motive`	`NO`
`19:34.03`	`Mexa`	`72 degrees C would be overkill, lol`
`19:34.13`	`JManV\|Work`	`yeah`
`19:34.17`	`JManV\|Work`	`that would be seriously hot`
`19:34.23`	`JManV\|Work`	`what kind of car do you have, motive?`
`19:34.39`	`Motive`	`acura TL`
`19:34.41`	`Motive`	`I dont have a top to go down`
`19:34.43`	`Motive`	`but I have windows and a sunroof`
`19:34.44`	`Motive`	`CLOSE ENOUGH`
`19:34.49`	`Mexa`	`I would say the SI units are better:P Isn't US the only country who doesn't use it?`
`19:34.56`	`Mexa`	`And Canada?`
`19:35.07`	`JManV\|Work`	`actually, its a pretty big difference as far as temp`
`19:35.18`	`Sixen`	`"Fixed a bug where Terran players were able to lose a game."`
`19:35.19`	`Sixen`	`LOLOL`
`19:35.21`	`JManV\|Work`	`you could easily open a sunroof at 50, but it would be really cold with a convertible`
`19:35.23`	`Motive`	`:)`
`19:35.32`	`JManV\|Work`	`sixen: hilarious`
`19:35.40`	`Motive`	`well there was wind`
`19:35.48`	`Motive`	`so it was honestly freezing regardless`
`19:35.48`	`Motive`	`xD`
`19:36.01`	`JManV\|Work`	`convertible lets a lot more wind in`
`19:36.09`	`JManV\|Work`	`but it matters less when you're at a stop`
`19:36.11`	`Sixen`	`Their patch 1.4.11 preview, lol`
`19:36.22`	`JManV\|Work`	`that' would be a horrible bug`
`19:36.25`	`Motive`	`I want a convertible :(`
`19:36.29`	`JManV\|Work`	`we can't have terran players losing`
`19:36.34`	`Motive`	`I like how it's 1.4.11 and not 1.4.0`
`19:36.46`	`JManV\|Work`	`yeah, this is my first convertible... i don't know how i ever went without`
`19:36.55`	`Motive`	`xD`
`19:37.21`	`Jum-Jum^`	`Is there nobody in sc2mapster that has experience in AI`
`19:37.22`	`JManV\|Work`	`eclipse spyder... very sexy car`
`19:37.29`	`Jum-Jum^`	`im like skimming through the forums and there doesnt seem to be a lot to it`
`19:37.53`	`Motive`	`:)`
`19:38.05`	`Motive`	`I still have nightmares of north carolina`
`19:38.07`	`JManV\|Work`	`and that engine is way big for a car that small`
`19:38.11`	`JademusSreg`	`MTops`
`19:38.12`	`Motive`	`47 accidents on the same interstate all near Charlotte, NC`
`19:38.17`	`JManV\|Work`	`3.0L V6`
`19:38.18`	`Motive`	`do you know what that kind of traffic does to a man?`
`19:38.20`	`JademusSreg`	`MTops is the current AI master.`
`19:38.44`	`Motive`	`In addition to losses, wins are now also no longer shown. Instead, players will see Jim Raynor giving them a thumbs-up after every match regardless if they win or lose.`
`19:38.44`	`Motive`	`LOL`
`19:39.06`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha`
`19:39.12`	`JManV\|Work`	`you also no longer get to see your rank or league rating`
`19:39.21`	`JManV\|Work`	`we decided this was misleading information`
`19:39.25`	`Jum-Jum^`	`The Ghost can no longer be produced. Once a Ghost's progress bar is partially complete it will be postponed indefinitely.`
`19:39.27`	`Jum-Jum^`	`Best one ^^`
`19:39.28`	`JManV\|Work`	`we just want people to have fun`
`19:39.39`	`JademusSreg`	`Instead you'll get positive affirmations displayed below your name.`
`19:40.23`	`Motive`	`Colossi now have 5 legs. They just looked kinda weird with 4.`
`19:40.36`	`Motive`	`Carrier (new unit) is now available from the Stargate.`
`19:40.37`	`Motive`	`bahahahaha`
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`19:41.07`	`JManV\|Work`	`we thought there were too many 'yo mama' jokes based on the mothership, so we've removed it from the game`
`19:42.03`	`JManV\|Work`	`plus it sucked`
`19:42.27`	`JademusSreg`	`Hi grim.`
`19:43.24`	`Motive`	`Because the Protoss and Terran have mechanics to circumvent cliffs, we felt it was unfair for the zerg. As such, Banelings are now able to roll up and down cliffs. This upgrade is combined with Centrifugal Hooks, and build time on the upgrade has been increased by 10 seconds.`
`19:43.25`	`Motive`	`god help us all`
`19:43.48`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha`
`19:44.35`	`JManV\|Work`	`yeah that would suck`
`19:44.47`	`JManV\|Work`	`baneling busts that can just go around wall-offs`
`19:45.32`	`Jum-Jum`	`sounds fine by me`
`19:45.35`	`Jum-Jum`	`plays Zerg`
`19:46.23`	`JademusSreg`	`Zerg is my default race. I am also the worst with Zerg.`
`19:46.42`	`JademusSreg`	`It's so I can lose every match as soon as possible.`
`19:46.54`	`JManV\|Work`	`so how many matches do you guys have on season 2?`
`19:47.01`	`JManV\|Work`	`i have a whopping 0`
`19:47.12`	`Motive`	`0`
`19:47.13`	`Motive`	`lol`
`19:47.17`	`Motive`	`I've been meaning to but I always get on at night`
`19:47.22`	`Motive`	`and that's when the hardcore good players are on`
`19:47.29`	`Motive`	`I want to do it right around 4pm when the newbs are coming home from school`
`19:47.30`	`JademusSreg`	`I have played exactly 1 melee match since beta.`
`19:48.06`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha, Motive.`
`19:48.21`	`Motive`	`seriously, that's my strategy`
`19:48.23`	`Motive`	`its horrible but it works`
`19:48.24`	`Motive`	`:\|`
`19:49.01`	`Motive`	`P-P-P-POKER FACE`
`19:49.10`	`JademusSreg`	`Hwaht?`
`19:49.27`	`JademusSreg`	`You play poker?`
`19:49.30`	`Motive`	`no`
`19:49.32`	`Motive`	`:\| = pokerface`
`19:49.37`	`Motive`	`which reminds me of lady gaga`
`19:50.02`	`JademusSreg`	`Dunno what the hell you're talking about; I decidedly live under a rock.`
`19:50.45`	`Motive`	`Lolol`
`19:50.51`	`Motive`	`youtube.com`
`19:50.51`	`Motive`	`go`
`19:50.56`	`JademusSreg`	`No.`
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`19:51.03`	`JademusSreg`	`I've heard of Gaga.`
`19:51.10`	`JademusSreg`	`Not interested.`
`19:51.25`	`JManV\|Work`	`reminds me of the family guy special`
`19:51.37`	`JManV\|Work`	`where they made fun of the deaf chick`
`19:51.56`	`JManV\|Work`	`people with disabilities are always fair game`
`19:52.30`	`Motive`	`HUH, WHY DO WE HAVE TO PLAY FAIR?`
`19:52.33`	`Motive`	`I NEVER PLAY FAIR WITH NORMAL PEOPLE`
`19:52.35`	`Motive`	`GOD THATS SO NOT FAIR`
`19:53.23`	`JademusSreg`	`Christopher Reeves had super strength, too bad he was paralysed.`
`19:54.02`	`JManV\|Work`	`ha! cripple!`
`19:54.05`	`JManV\|Work`	`dead cripple!`
`19:54.17`	`JManV\|Work`	`he's wheelchairin' in heaven now!`
`19:54.18`	`JademusSreg`	`Super dead cripple.`
`19:54.52`	`JademusSreg`	`Super dead uncharitable cripple.`
`19:55.23`	`JManV\|Work`	`super dead super cripple`
`19:55.49`	`JManV\|Work`	`i guess he's just regular dead tho`
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`19:56.12`	`JManV\|Work`	`death is also a disability`
`20:01.34`	`Motive`	`I want my social security after I'm dead damnit`
`20:01.38`	`Motive`	`DONT DISCRIMINATE AGAINST THE DEAD`
`20:02.36`	`JManV\|Work`	`i'm pretty sure you're allowed to disciminate against the dead`
`20:02.54`	`JManV\|Work`	`otherwise zombie movies would just be racist hate propaganda`
`20:03.00`	`Motive`	`maybe they are`
`20:03.09`	`JManV\|Work`	`(i'd still watch them)`
`20:03.29`	`JManV\|Work`	`i racist against dead people! deal with it!`
`20:06.24`	`JManV\|Work`	`fucking dead people... taking all our jobs...`
`20:06.33`	`JManV\|Work`	`mating with our women...`
`20:06.37`	`JManV\|Work`	`it's a disgrace`
`20:07.21`	`JademusSreg`	`I imagine satire involving illegal immigrants and taking all the graves.`
`20:08.03`	`JManV\|Work`	`heh`
`20:08.13`	`JManV\|Work`	`half dead-half living babies`
`20:08.19`	`JManV\|Work`	`what has this world come to?`
`20:08.45`	`JManV\|Work`	`i liked it better when there was just living people`
`20:09.04`	`JManV\|Work`	`and you could walk down the street without wondering if that dead guy was gonna mug you`
`20:09.47`	`JManV\|Work`	`if you get mugged by a dead person... you deserve it :P`
`20:10.40`	`JManV\|Work`	`i just imagine a zombie, barely hold on to a gun, holding his hand out waiting for some guy to give him his wallet`
`20:10.50`	`JManV\|Work`	`mumbling gibberish the whole while`
`20:11.19`	`JManV\|Work`	`like you could totally just run awya`
`20:13.25`	`JManV\|Work`	`â Two new maps have been introduced to support macro-play! Both maps include 30 expansions, and it will take approximately 5 minutes for a scouting unit to reach an opponent's starting base.`
`20:14.04`	`JademusSreg`	`Awesome.`
`20:14.26`	`Mexa`	`Lol, I didn't see those "preview patch changes"`
`20:14.51`	`JManV\|Work`	`â Protoss players that are matched against another Protoss player will automatically start the game with 4 Gateways and Warp Gate tech researched.`
`20:14.57`	`JManV\|Work`	`lolz`
`20:15.28`	`JManV\|Work`	`â Due to lack of appreciation by players, the Mothership has been surgically altered to be sleeker and more visually appealing, and has been renamed to the Cougarship. The Cougarship will automatically gravitate toward enemy units that have been in play for 18-21 minutes and attempt to bring them back to the nearest friendly base.`
`20:15.31`	`JManV\|Work`	`that's just wrong`
`20:16.23`	`JademusSreg`	`Awesome.`
`20:16.49`	`JademusSreg`	`I guess the CougarShip will suck the young unit into her vortex.`
`20:17.54`	`JManV\|Work`	`â Banelings now automatically detonate when they touch any other unit or building, including friendly banelings.`
`20:18.11`	`JManV\|Work`	`â Due to lack of use, the Lurker has been removed from the game.`
`20:18.14`	`JManV\|Work`	`:)`
`20:18.27`	`JademusSreg`	`hahaha`
`20:18.58`	`JManV\|Work`	`â Players who are winning a match and type âGGâ on behalf of their opponent will automatically surrender.`
`20:19.01`	`JManV\|Work`	`i like that one :P`
`20:19.15`	`JManV\|Work`	`also:`
`20:19.16`	`JManV\|Work`	`â The Dance Studio has been added to the game! Teach your units new dances by purchasing them with your bonus pool. Show off to opponents, impress your friends!`
`20:19.17`	`Mexa`	`I guess that will make Idra rage even more.`
`20:19.21`	`JademusSreg`	`Hilarious.`
`20:20.04`	`JManV\|Work`	`yeah, a lot of these are really funny`
`20:20.14`	`JManV\|Work`	`and ofc, the bug fix where terrans were capable of losing`
`20:24.19`	`JManV\|Work`	`did you see the sc motion bit?`
`20:24.27`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes.`
`20:24.54`	`JManV\|Work`	`at least they're having some fun`
`20:26.19`	`JManV\|Work`	`that cougarship thing is still so very, very wroing`
`20:33.20`	`JManV\|Work`	`so the lady that likes to talk to herself... just felt the need to announce to herself that she was putting lotion on her hands`
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`20:33.36`	`JManV\|Work`	`"it puts the lotion on its skin, or else it gets the hose again"`
`20:33.45`	`JademusSreg`	`So she's crazy. Got it.`
`20:34.05`	`JManV\|Work`	`yeah, i normally have to listen to music just to drown it out`
`20:34.12`	`JManV\|Work`	`its actually /really/ distracting`
`20:34.28`	`JManV\|Work`	`and she talks to herself throughout the entire day`
`20:35.13`	`JManV\|Work`	`but the point of that was the content of what she was saying`
`20:35.28`	`JManV\|Work`	`announcing putting lotion on your hands is kinda creepy`
`20:36.37`	`JademusSreg`	`Is she attractive at all?`
`20:37.42`	`JManV\|Work`	`not to me, but to some perhaps`
`20:37.57`	`JademusSreg`	`Not very helpful.`
`20:38.15`	`JManV\|Work`	`she's a very tall, older black woman`
`20:38.30`	`JademusSreg`	`Is she a lonely cat lady?`
`20:38.38`	`JademusSreg`	`Without cats, she speaks to herself?`
`20:38.57`	`JManV\|Work`	`i mean, she looks like she could get a date...`
`20:39.10`	`JManV\|Work`	`but i wouldn't do her`
`20:39.24`	`JManV\|Work`	`part of that might be due to the fact that i know she talks to herself though`
`20:39.33`	`JManV\|Work`	`and i find that disconcerting`
`20:39.48`	`JManV\|Work`	`i mean... everyone talks to themselves a little`
`20:39.56`	`JManV\|Work`	`but all day? in the presense of others?`
`20:42.18`	`JManV\|Work`	`also, it's hard to work with, "oh, those numbers don't match up. I guess I should..." "ohp, nope, that didn't work" "maybe if i..."`
`20:43.09`	`JademusSreg`	`Hilarious.`
`20:43.12`	`abstruse`	`walk around the corner`
`20:43.15`	`abstruse`	`never saw it coming`
`20:43.19`	`abstruse`	`still i tried ot make a move`
`20:43.25`	`abstruse`	`it almost stopped me from believing`
`20:43.34`	`JademusSreg`	`By which I mean pathetic and sad.`
`20:43.38`	`abstruse`	`im like rolling thunder, i don't want to know confusion`
`20:43.39`	`abstruse`	`afk`
`20:43.45`	`JManV\|Work`	`what?`
`20:43.59`	`JManV\|Work`	`is that a song or something?`
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`20:44.15`	`JManV\|Work`	`he just comes in here, quotes lines from a song, then tells us afk?`
`20:44.20`	`JManV\|Work`	`that's bizarre`
`20:44.39`	`JademusSreg`	`He's just mentally ill, is all.`
`20:44.50`	`Jack[RCDF`	`Guys, if you check www.staredit.net you'll see mapster and sen are going to merge.`
`20:44.50`	`JManV\|Work`	`i'm surrounded by crazies!`
`20:45.05`	`Jack[RCDF`	`Sixen should be able to confirm it.`
`20:45.57`	`Sixen`	`sup`
`20:46.02`	`Sixen`	`oic`
`20:46.14`	`JademusSreg`	`Wakka wakka wakka`
`20:46.25`	`Sixen`	`I gotta run, bbs guys.`
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`20:46.36`	`JManV\|Work`	`heh`
`20:46.39`	`JManV\|Work`	`dodge`
`20:47.46`	`Jack[RCDF`	`Probably because no one consulted the communities about it. Sixen and devlin just announced it without regard to us.`
`20:48.11`	`Jack[RCDF`	`Sc2mapsternetwork.com is the address of the new site I believe`
`20:48.23`	`JManV\|Work`	`that might be what the big reveal is`
`20:48.32`	`JademusSreg`	`Sure. Color me convinced.`
`20:49.03`	`JManV\|Work`	`i don't see that as being a bad thing`
`20:49.58`	`JManV\|Work`	`jack: six confirms in the comments for that post`
`20:50.15`	`Jack[RCDF`	`Yeah.`
`20:50.43`	`Jack[RCDF`	`He's an admin at sen now, whike the merge is taken care of.`
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`21:00.58`	`JManV\|Work`	`what's all this talk of null?`
`21:01.01`	`JManV\|Work`	`what is null?`
`21:01.40`	`JademusSreg`	`?`
`21:02.20`	`JManV\|Work`	`on the SEN site, in the comments about the merger, everyone keeps mentioning null`
`21:02.28`	`JManV\|Work`	`i don't know what/who that is`
`21:03.04`	`JademusSreg`	`null is no value.`
`21:03.13`	`JManV\|Work`	`thanks`
`21:03.48`	`JManV\|Work`	`"I think in this case it became clear that SEN is only staying alive due to Null and forum games" ...`
`21:04.26`	`JManV\|Work`	`no matter. i'm going home`
`21:04.31`	`JManV\|Work`	`map night in 3 hours!`
`21:04.39`	`JManV\|Work`	`bbiab`
`21:07.34`	`Jack[RCDF`	`Null is our offtopic forum.`
`21:07.41`	`Jack[RCDF`	`Or, was.`
`21:08.57`	`JademusSreg`	`Ack runs staredit? =D`
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`21:12.49`	`Jack[RCDF`	`Wat, no. I'm a moderator there though.`
`21:13.35`	`Motive`	`MAP NIGHT :D :D :D :D`
`21:13.42`	`Motive`	`I have a big surprise for you guys tonight if you do run Cortex. xD`
`21:14.03`	`Mexa`	`You already ruined that fun now when you told that .__`
`21:14.23`	`Motive`	`Think Motherships shooting vortexes`
`21:14.33`	`Mexa`	`I would've joined the map night but I am on a dev lan busy with other things :\|`
`21:14.37`	`Motive`	`or Sentries that call down nukes, psi storm, duplicate themselves, and... something else. Lol`
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`21:14.41`	`MrOp`	`hi`
`21:15.11`	`Jack[RCDF`	`You mean the cougarship? Or haven't you seen 1.4.11 patch notes?`
`21:15.19`	`JademusSreg`	`I hope we run Cortex.`
`21:15.26`	`Motive`	`Better than cougarship.`
`21:15.36`	`JademusSreg`	`Motive, I just had a sweet idea.`
`21:15.40`	`Motive`	`What is that? :>`
`21:16.03`	`JademusSreg`	`Combine the power of control in Cortex with Scribblenauts-inspired puzzle gameplay.`
`21:16.14`	`Motive`	`What? Lol`
`21:16.31`	`JademusSreg`	`Anyway, I must tend to the first lawn-mowing of spring.`
`21:16.34`	`JademusSreg`	`bbl`
`21:16.44`	`Motive`	`Oh, btw, what does anyone think of my awesome April Fools map idea?`
`21:16.49`	`Motive`	`http://www.cortexrp.com/forums/announces/handing-over-the-reigns-t1870.html`
`21:16.52`	`Motive`	`2nd to last paragraph`
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`21:34.28`	`stewox`	`~seen bounty`
`21:34.36`	`purl`	`bounty <442d304d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.45.48.77> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 2d 7m 33s ago, saying: 'but when i pick them up, i nail it'.`
`21:39.53`	`JManV`	`stupid particle beam`
`21:40.02`	`JManV`	`still haven't figured out why that crashes the game`
`21:43.46`	`JManV`	`oop. think i just did.`
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`21:54.43`	`Mexa`	`Do anyone know what player beacons are?`
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`22:10.16`	`Motive`	`when is US map night again?`
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`22:12.39`	`JademusSreg`	`2 hours, I think.`
`22:13.16`	`JManV`	`yeah`
`22:13.26`	`JManV`	`8pm eastern, 5 pacific`
`22:13.30`	`JademusSreg`	`Eat the Kids First`
`22:13.51`	`JManV`	`is that real?`
`22:14.11`	`Motive`	`?`
`22:14.31`	`JManV`	`oh, nvm`
`22:14.47`	`JademusSreg`	`Anyway, about what`
`22:14.51`	`JademusSreg`	`I said earlier.`
`22:15.15`	`JademusSreg`	`Suppose you have a hungry Zealot. How do you feed him?`
`22:15.25`	`Motive`	`Feed him zerglings`
`22:15.27`	`JManV`	`with combat?`
`22:15.46`	`Motive`	`this is proper image link right?`
`22:15.46`	`Motive`	`<img path="Assets/Textures/btn-unit-protoss-darktemplar.dds" />`
`22:16.03`	`JademusSreg`	`Do protoss even eat? I dunno. Anyway, I'd spawn a lemon or some fruity shit.`
`22:16.16`	`JManV`	`they eat energy, duh`
`22:16.21`	`JademusSreg`	`Obviously.`
`22:16.27`	`JManV`	`the don't have mouths`
`22:16.31`	`JademusSreg`	`They are psishit.`
`22:17.09`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes. I'm suggesting Scribblenaut-like SC2 map.`
`22:19.28`	`JManV`	`any to poketest?`
`22:19.57`	`JademusSreg`	`I is busy.`
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`22:29.54`	`stewox`	`hey guys`
`22:29.59`	`stewox`	`anyone knows bounty`
`22:30.04`	`stewox`	`the creator of SpeedCraft`
`22:31.28`	`stewox`	`~seen bounty`
`22:31.37`	`purl`	`bounty <442d304d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.45.48.77> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 2d 1h 4m 34s ago, saying: 'but when i pick them up, i nail it'.`
`22:32.20`	`zeta3`	`question - anyone know how to import a set of triggers across multiple maps?`
`22:32.28`	`zeta3`	`liek the 1v1 obs maps for different maps`
`22:33.49`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Motive (~Motive@c-68-36-169-50.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)`
`22:33.57`	`Motive`	`nettsplitttttttttt`
`22:36.10`	`Mexa`	`zeta3, you could make it available through a mod I think?`
`22:36.17`	`Mexa`	`ignore that ?`
`22:36.22`	`zeta3`	`er`
`22:36.28`	`zeta3`	`mods?`
`22:36.32`	`Mexa`	`Yes`
`22:36.38`	`Mexa`	`You can create mod archive`
`22:36.39`	`Mexa`	`*s`
`22:36.47`	`zeta3`	`do i make a blank map`
`22:36.51`	`zeta3`	`is there a tutorial for it`
`22:36.53`	`Mexa`	`No, you make a mod`
`22:37.07`	`zeta3`	`what program do you use to make a mod`
`22:37.11`	`Mexa`	`the editor`
`22:37.29`	`Mexa`	`Let's see, it shouldn't be that hidden.`
`22:38.13`	`Mexa`	`In the window you create your new map, change the Document Type to mod`
`22:39.16`	`Mexa`	`What you do for you map later on, is to add that mod for your dependencies`
`22:40.09`	`zeta3`	`ah`
`22:40.12`	`zeta3`	`i see`
`22:40.12`	`Mexa`	`And in the mod, you can set triggers, assets, data and stuff.`
`22:40.21`	`zeta3`	`so it will import the triggers etc. into the trigger editor`
`22:40.41`	`Mexa`	`well, from what I have seen, in the mod you should create a library`
`22:40.58`	`zeta3`	`er`
`22:41.03`	`zeta3`	`do i just make triggers in the mod?`
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`22:41.14`	`Maknyuzz`	`yo yo o`
`22:41.16`	`Maknyuzz`	`yo yo yo`
`22:41.18`	`JManV`	`normal triggers are unaccessible from the map`
`22:41.22`	`Maknyuzz`	`JManV`
`22:41.26`	`Mexa`	`Well, I think you will have to do it with the library`
`22:41.27`	`Maknyuzz`	`probichiu`
`22:41.31`	`JManV`	`you have to create triggers in a library`
`22:41.32`	`Maknyuzz`	`i have Q`
`22:41.34`	`Mexa`	`So in the trigger editor...`
`22:41.38`	`zeta3`	`JManV, how do you create a library lol`
`22:41.41`	`Maknyuzz`	`ok imma let mexa finish`
`22:41.41`	`zeta3`	`so do i make a mod or library`
`22:41.54`	`JManV`	`you make a mod like you make a map`
`22:42.02`	`JManV`	`except you say mod instead of map`
`22:42.06`	`JManV`	`there's an option`
`22:42.13`	`zeta3`	`right so i have a mod with a blank screen open`
`22:42.14`	`Mexa`	`zeta3, do you see the built-in and liberty folders in the trigger editor?`
`22:42.25`	`zeta3`	`but where do i actually add in the triggers that can be loaded by other maps`
`22:42.29`	`JManV`	`then go to trigger editor, top left panel (library panel), right click, new library`
`22:42.33`	`Mexa`	`You need to create a library`
`22:42.41`	`Mexa`	`What JManV said quicker.`
`22:43.02`	`JManV`	`maknyuzz?`
`22:43.03`	`Maknyuzz`	`Anyone seen the sc2 kinect april fool vid?`
`22:43.08`	`Maknyuzz`	`What is the song called?`
`22:43.13`	`Maknyuzz`	`thats my Q`
`22:43.19`	`Maknyuzz`	`u know the exact name in data editor?`
`22:43.23`	`Maknyuzz`	`i couldnt find it`
`22:43.36`	`Mexa`	`The song in the kinect video?`
`22:43.45`	`JManV`	`oh. i thought you had a question about probichu.`
`22:43.47`	`JManV`	`:P`
`22:43.58`	`Maknyuzz`	`probichu lolz`
`22:44.03`	`zeta3`	`so all the triggers I make, I make in the library folder`
`22:44.07`	`Maknyuzz`	`whats the evolution`
`22:44.08`	`Mexa`	`yeah`
`22:44.12`	`Maknyuzz`	`eh my Q is that`
`22:44.16`	`Maknyuzz`	`the starcraft 2 kinect`
`22:44.19`	`Maknyuzz`	`whats that song?`
`22:44.19`	`zeta3`	`and when i import this mod into another map, it'll load in the triggers from the library?`
`22:44.31`	`Mexa`	`I should do that automatically, yep`
`22:44.32`	`JManV`	`i actually did a test of my game mere moments ago`
`22:44.33`	`Mexa`	`*it`
`22:44.39`	`zeta3`	`hm I see`
`22:44.47`	`zeta3`	`that includes all the variables etc?`
`22:45.27`	`Mexa`	`I think so`
`22:45.42`	`Mexa`	`Yeah should be.`
`22:45.47`	`zeta3`	`hm ok thanks =)`
`22:46.12`	`Mexa`	`anytime`
`22:46.51`	`zeta3`	`how bad is it to use "every 1 second" type event triggers`
`22:48.29`	`JManV`	`is it a timer?`
`22:48.31`	`zeta3`	`yeah`
`22:48.33`	`zeta3`	`periodic`
`22:48.46`	`JManV`	`no, i mean are you using the periodic for an actual timer`
`22:48.56`	`zeta3`	`oh not an actual timer`
`22:48.59`	`zeta3`	`but like a global event`
`22:49.03`	`zeta3`	`every 3 game seconds`
`22:49.03`	`zeta3`	`etc.`
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`22:49.19`	`JManV`	`like a spawn timer?`
`22:49.27`	`zeta3`	`sorta`
`22:49.44`	`JManV`	`3 seconds is very reasonable`
`22:49.56`	`JManV`	`1 second should be used for timers only`
`22:50.02`	`zeta3`	`hm ok`
`22:50.05`	`JManV`	`<1 second should pretty much never be used`
`22:50.29`	`JManV`	`15 seconds need not even be worried about`
`22:52.32`	`JManV`	`hmmm. i'm gonna reboot so it doesn't ask me to reboot during map night`
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`22:58.56`	`JManV`	`i need to find out if comcast has better internet`
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`23:00.34`	`JManV`	`wow. i can get 20/4 for the same price i'm getting 15/2`
`23:01.07`	`JManV`	`or i could pay an insane price for 50/11`
`23:01.09`	`JManV`	`10`
`23:01.31`	`JManV`	`not spending $120/month for just internet, thank you`
`23:01.43`	`JManV`	`$80 is bad enough`
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`23:09.02`	`Maknyuzz`	`noone cared about me`
`23:09.08`	`Maknyuzz`	`...`
`23:09.09`	`Maknyuzz`	`hiks`
`23:09.37`	`Maknyuzz`	`anyone know the song name of the sc2 kinect?`
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`23:10.13`	`Bounty`	`ok`
`23:10.22`	`Bounty`	`why the hell did i see a giant Unicorn while the IRC was loading`
`23:13.08`	`Helral\|afk`	`april fools unicorn :)`
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`23:28.31`	`Maknyuzz`	`anyone know the song?`
`23:28.34`	`Maknyuzz`	`the song name?`
`23:28.55`	`Maknyuzz`	`http://forums.sc2mapster.com/general/general-chat/20259-blizzards-video-star-craft-returns-to-consoles/`
`23:33.55`	`JManV`	`map night in 30 minutes`
`23:34.02`	`JManV`	`MAP NIGHT!`
`23:34.11`	`JManV`	`W00000000000!`
`23:35.17`	`Maknyuzz`	`JManV`
`23:35.21`	`Maknyuzz`	`know the song name?`
`23:35.23`	`Maknyuzz`	`http://forums.sc2mapster.com/general/general-chat/20259-blizzards-video-star-craft-returns-to-consoles/`
`23:36.11`	`JademusSreg`	`Hi O`
`23:36.51`	`JManV`	`no idea`
`23:37.54`	`JManV`	`sweet. lag free streaming + ventrilo`
`23:38.31`	`Jum-Jum`	`it has to be a blizzard song`
`23:39.17`	`Maknyuzz`	`yea`
`23:39.22`	`Maknyuzz`	`but couldnt find it in data editor`
`23:39.39`	`Jum-Jum`	`then its probably a new one :E`
`23:39.56`	`Maknyuzz`	`i heard it in star battle though`
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`23:40.09`	`Maknyuzz`	`i think...`
`23:40.20`	`Maknyuzz`	`and its not new i know`
`23:40.30`	`Maknyuzz`	`they use it in sc2 intro overview too`
`23:40.31`	`Jum-Jum`	`I recognize it too :(`
`23:40.50`	`Jum-Jum`	`Did you try downloading like their official soundtrack?`
`23:40.52`	`Jum-Jum`	`if there is one`
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`23:41.15`	`Maknyuzz`	`thats what im gonna try to do once i got home`
`23:41.17`	`Maknyuzz`	`still in office`
`23:41.20`	`Maknyuzz`	`couldnt do much`
`23:42.13`	`Jum-Jum`	`downloading it now`
`23:42.22`	`Jum-Jum`	`damn I even have it in flac lol`
`23:43.14`	`Maknyuzz`	`lets see if shazam can recognize it`
`23:44.44`	`zeta3`	`JManV, how do you test mods without having to import them into another map?`
`23:45.05`	`JManV`	`you need to import them into another map :P`
`23:45.05`	`JademusSreg`	`You don't import them, you make them a dependency.`
`23:45.13`	`JManV`	`but... in the preferences,`
`23:45.13`	`JManV`	`^`
`23:45.30`	`deathnight114`	`http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/2325614706`
`23:45.31`	`JManV`	`in the preferences, you can set a map to be the default to test when you're testing a mod`
`23:45.32`	`deathnight114`	`Win`
`23:45.39`	`zeta3`	`ahh`
`23:45.39`	`zeta3`	`thanks`
`23:45.50`	`JManV`	`omg tho - ulosethegame is trolling for debates`
`23:45.59`	`JManV`	`i'm gonna kill him`
`23:46.01`	`JManV`	`i just know it`
`23:46.10`	`deathnight114`	`zeta3 do you use fl studio by any chance? theres a program called z3ta+ lol`
`23:46.12`	`deathnight114`	`plugin*`
`23:46.15`	`zeta3`	`no lol`
`23:46.19`	`JademusSreg`	`Hahaha`
`23:46.24`	`JademusSreg`	`Of course he is.`
`23:46.34`	`Jum-Jum`	`I found it Maknyuzz`
`23:46.37`	`zeta3`	`is there a "Unit is Idle" condition?`
`23:46.42`	`Jum-Jum`	`It's in the soundtrack called "Card to play"`
`23:46.46`	`Maknyuzz`	`great`
`23:46.47`	`JManV`	`death: you've gotten almost 200 listens since yesterday :P`
`23:47.03`	`deathnight114`	`That's because my song was favorited by ahnaris starcraft`
`23:47.05`	`deathnight114`	`lol`
`23:47.13`	`deathnight114`	`http://www.youtube.com/ahnarisstarcraft`
`23:47.15`	`deathnight114`	`all about connections`
`23:47.34`	`Jum-Jum`	`Maknyuzz: I think it starts about 24-25 seconds into the song.`
`23:47.41`	`Jum-Jum`	`Thats when it starts in the vid`
`23:47.54`	`zeta3`	`any idea how to create Unit is Idle condition?`
`23:48.10`	`Jum-Jum`	`oh nvm`
`23:48.13`	`Jum-Jum`	`it started from the start :P`
`23:48.50`	`JademusSreg`	`const int c_unitStateIdle = 15; // Read-only`
`23:49.02`	`JademusSreg`	`native bool UnitTestState (unit inUnit, int inState);`
`23:49.26`	`zeta3`	`hm`
`23:49.33`	`zeta3`	`possible to do that in the editor?`
`23:49.38`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes.`
`23:49.53`	`JademusSreg`	`By editor, I assume you mean GUI, for some reason.`
`23:50.01`	`zeta3`	`yeah`
`23:50.16`	`JademusSreg`	`Comparison, Unit State, I'm guessing.`
`23:50.33`	`zeta3`	`can't seem to find Unit state`
`23:51.55`	`JademusSreg`	`I don't use GUI, so I can't say.`
`23:52.03`	`JManV`	`map night 10 minutes!`
`23:52.11`	`JademusSreg`	`Woo!`
`23:52.20`	`zeta3`	`hm`
`23:53.13`	`JademusSreg`	`"Battlecruiser movement speed increased from 1.875 to Ludicrous Speed." SPACEBALLS`
`23:53.28`	`JManV`	`ftw`
`23:54.04`	`JademusSreg`	`I've seen that movie at least maybe 200 times.`
`23:56.05`	`deathnight114`	`I want someone to make a mod out of those april fools day patch notes`
`23:56.06`	`deathnight114`	`LOL`
`23:56.13`	`deathnight114`	`I might re-install starcraft 2 just to play it`
`23:56.33`	`JManV`	`some of them are impossible`
`23:56.34`	`JademusSreg`	`I was thinking the same 114.`
`23:56.52`	`deathnight114`	`howso?`
`23:56.53`	`deathnight114`	`D:`
`23:57.08`	`JademusSreg`	`However, I cannot imagine why you are here if you don't do anything with SC2.`
`23:57.18`	`deathnight114`	`I uninstalled it a while back`
`23:57.26`	`JManV`	`of course you could make it on the super macro map`
`23:57.34`	`deathnight114`	`LOL`
`23:57.36`	`JManV`	`â Two new maps have been introduced to support macro-play! Both maps include 30 expansions, and it will take approximately 5 minutes for a scouting unit to reach an opponent's starting base.`
`23:57.57`	`deathnight114`	`Well make most of them`
`23:58.00`	`JManV`	`256x256 two player map with winding corridors`
`23:58.02`	`deathnight114`	`Accept the ones like voice chat ect`
`23:58.22`	`JademusSreg`	`Maps are named "Total Annihilation" and "Supreme Commander".`
`23:58.41`	`JManV`	`â Carrier (new unit) is now available from the Stargate`
`23:58.42`	`deathnight114`	`And i'm here because when i first came here back in beta`
`23:58.46`	`deathnight114`	`I had starcraft 2`
`23:58.47`	`JManV`	`that one will be hard :P`
`23:58.49`	`deathnight114`	`I still have starcraft 2`
`23:58.55`	`deathnight114`	`Just not installed on my computer anymore`
`23:59.21`	`JademusSreg`	`So you're lonely?`
`23:59.30`	`deathnight114`	`hm?`
`23:59.33`	`deathnight114`	`No i gotta life LOL`
`23:59.33`	`JManV`	`you'd have to make a whole new unit, this... carrier...`

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