| 00:02.47 | emittt | Thanks |
| 00:02.50 | emittt | Going to test it |
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| 00:06.15 | JManV | sweet. i got my pokemon types in data now :P |
| 00:06.47 | JManV | crazy enough, the type specifications themselves (like "water") are units |
| 00:06.55 | JManV | there's a unit now called "Type - Water" |
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| 00:07.43 | MrOp | is it possible to add a behavior to a weapon |
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| 00:08.23 | JManV | i don't believe so |
| 00:08.51 | JManV | i think you add the behavior to the unit, which can modify the weapon |
| 00:09.29 | JManV | there's also upgrades, but those are global for the player |
| 00:10.00 | JManV | what are you trying to do? |
| 00:10.20 | MrOp | make the ring appear |
| 00:10.26 | MrOp | that will show range |
| 00:10.40 | MrOp | for the radar tower |
| 00:10.45 | MrOp | but i want it on a weapon |
| 00:11.10 | JManV | so you only get it when you're equipping that weapon? |
| 00:11.38 | JManV | have you looked at siege tank? |
| 00:12.10 | JManV | specifically the sieged one |
| 00:13.34 | emittt | hmm map doesn't allow me to look in data viewer |
| 00:13.49 | emittt | or view data editor |
| 00:15.49 | MrOp | no not really |
| 00:16.33 | JManV | i'm having trouble figuring out how the siege tank displays its radius indicator |
| 00:17.20 | JManV | the sensor tower one is handled by a behavior tho |
| 00:17.57 | MrOp | yea |
| 00:18.25 | MrOp | is anyone willing to look at my map i am having alot of trigger lag |
| 00:18.27 | JManV | i think just having that radar value is what causes the indicator to show p |
| 00:18.45 | MrOp | yea |
| 00:18.51 | JManV | trigger lag is usually caused by multiple triggers firing at the same time |
| 00:19.07 | JManV | minimize the number of triggers firing, and you will reduce lag significantly |
| 00:19.31 | JManV | things don't really run at the same time |
| 00:19.43 | JManV | they wait for another trigger to finish first |
| 00:19.50 | JManV | when several of them are waiting = lag |
| 00:20.31 | JManV | also, adding waits allows other threads to run for a second |
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| 00:21.07 | MrOp | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:21.09 | MrOp | :/ |
| 00:21.35 | JManV | what is it? |
| 00:22.28 | MrOp | i would need you to look at the map |
| 00:22.43 | MrOp | pastebin doesnt work to will in this sitution |
| 00:22.53 | JManV | i can't do that right now |
| 00:23.17 | MrOp | k |
| 00:24.09 | JManV | i've got my map open and i want to continue working on it |
| 00:24.21 | JManV | but if you want to describe the problem, i might be able to help |
| 00:24.33 | JManV | or, i can give you the general answer: "do it in data" |
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| 00:25.04 | JManV | six? you having skiz-like networking problems? |
| 00:27.04 | JManV | smirks |
| 00:31.43 | JManV | http://do-while.com/img/fun/fiction-reality/fiction-reality10.jpg |
| 00:31.48 | JManV | so awesome |
| 00:34.09 | JManV | http://cdn.springboard.gorillanation.com/storage/craveonline.com/upl_images/dugtrio_whatreallygoeson.jpg |
| 00:34.15 | JManV | that's not right |
| 00:34.16 | JManV | that's not right at all |
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| 01:19.38 | Lilianna | JManV, Pokemans! |
| 01:19.56 | JManV | indeed. |
| 01:20.04 | JManV | i'm working on a pretty cool dialog right now |
| 01:25.28 | JManV | http://i.imgur.com/nG14W.jpg |
| 01:26.46 | Lilianna | JManV, you has a typo in Squirty |
| 01:27.09 | Lilianna | Numerous models because sentient. |
| 01:27.27 | JManV | i read that several times and didn't notice :P |
| 01:27.38 | JManV | also there's inconsistent spelling of "Squirtry" |
| 01:27.42 | Lilianna | hehe |
| 01:27.51 | Lilianna | Also grammer in Charbat |
| 01:28.02 | Lilianna | Very little is know about that Charbat |
| 01:28.05 | Lilianna | could omit that |
| 01:28.12 | Lilianna | unless there is only one |
| 01:28.26 | JManV | oops |
| 01:28.30 | JManV | thanks! |
| 01:28.36 | Lilianna | your welcome :) |
| 01:28.55 | JManV | amazing how many times you can read your own stuff and not notice these things :P |
| 01:29.05 | Lilianna | Yah hehe |
| 01:29.12 | Lilianna | Thats why theres editors |
| 01:29.23 | JManV | indeed |
| 01:29.25 | Lilianna | the'res |
| 01:29.27 | Lilianna | umm |
| 01:29.30 | Lilianna | whatever |
| 01:29.35 | Lilianna | there's? |
| 01:29.39 | Lilianna | yah thats prolly it |
| 01:30.01 | JManV | close enough |
| 01:30.15 | JManV | it's not like you're publishing that sentence to a map eventually... :P |
| 01:30.22 | Lilianna | haha |
| 01:30.38 | JManV | what do you think of the content? |
| 01:30.43 | Lilianna | sometimes it helps to just write it one day, then read it over another day |
| 01:30.55 | Lilianna | It looks good, and fun little stories |
| 01:31.01 | Lilianna | fun is better then serious for sure |
| 01:31.08 | JManV | cool. that's what i'm going for |
| 01:31.30 | JManV | the story is, all these creatures spilled out from "some videogame" |
| 01:31.54 | JManV | and for kicks, and cuz it gives me more freedom, no one seems to actually know anything about the game |
| 01:32.05 | Lilianna | "The Game" |
| 01:32.10 | JManV | yeah |
| 01:32.11 | Lilianna | Has leaked into the world |
| 01:32.23 | Lilianna | Oh noes squirt guns are now coming to life.. making everyone wet. |
| 01:32.25 | JManV | and their miniature |
| 01:32.33 | JManV | they're |
| 01:32.44 | Lilianna | cause miniature is cute! |
| 01:32.55 | JManV | also, best way to overcome the human element |
| 01:33.20 | JManV | but definitely cute |
| 01:33.30 | JManV | especially something like an ultralisk, smaller than you are |
| 01:33.48 | Lilianna | I thought of a funny idea |
| 01:33.50 | Lilianna | an Overling |
| 01:33.58 | Lilianna | its like a Zergling that got super fat like an Overlord |
| 01:34.12 | Lilianna | but its just as useless as an overlod because its so fat its little spikey arms cant get you |
| 01:34.14 | Lilianna | >_> |
| 01:34.46 | Lilianna | Bicycle pump + zergling = Overling! |
| 01:35.21 | JManV | heh |
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| 01:39.29 | JManV | it's fun calling sentry a squirt gun :P |
| 01:40.55 | JManV | i thought of another fun idea |
| 01:41.36 | JManV | at some point i can have the main character suggest that maybe the creatures came from some game called "starcraft 2", but everyone will dismiss that as being absurd. |
| 01:42.03 | JManV | "why would they make one game called 'StarCraft', let alone two." |
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| 01:46.18 | Lilianna | lol |
| 01:46.33 | Lilianna | Why would anyone want to Craft Stars? and have a Whole game dedicated to it? |
| 01:46.35 | Lilianna | really... |
| 01:46.45 | Lilianna | They are just big balls of burning gas, that seem to burn forever |
| 01:47.08 | JManV | hahaha |
| 01:47.11 | JManV | that's awesome |
| 01:47.17 | JManV | i'll totally use that |
| 01:48.13 | Lilianna | Go for it. :) |
| 02:14.23 | deathnight114 | sup all |
| 02:26.47 | MrOp | sup |
| 02:48.32 | JademusSreg | Did I miss anything? |
| 02:52.40 | grim001 | I chatted with SBeirs about his galaxy++ thing |
| 02:53.07 | grim001 | it seems he expected people who use it to provide useful feedback which would guide the development progress of it |
| 02:53.28 | grim001 | since no one uses it, he isn't sure what to add :P |
| 02:58.26 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 02:59.53 | grim001 | It is possible he might just focus on the development of his editor rather than the language extension. |
| 03:00.15 | grim001 | with some work it could be better than notepad++ for galaxy specific stuff. |
| 03:01.30 | JademusSreg | Yeah, I could imagine that. |
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| 03:48.35 | tordy | what did i miss |
| 03:48.48 | grim001 | http://www.foddy.net/GIRP.html |
| 03:48.51 | JademusSreg | Nothing. =D |
| 03:49.02 | tordy | damn GIRP spread like wildfire |
| 03:49.08 | tordy | even saw people in my class playing w/ it |
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| 03:51.42 | nolliepoper | How does curse premium benefit a star2 player? |
| 03:51.56 | JademusSreg | It doesn't. |
| 03:51.56 | tordy | gives me extra minerals |
| 03:52.14 | tordy | why do i get curse premium outta nowhere |
| 03:52.21 | tordy | i didnt do anything |
| 03:53.25 | JManV | http://i.imgur.com/dVnhR.jpg |
| 03:53.50 | tordy | SQUIRTLE SQUIRTLE |
| 03:54.21 | allenmelon | that looks great |
| 03:54.30 | JManV | thanks |
| 03:54.36 | tordy | JManV: |
| 03:54.43 | tordy | HUGS ND KISSES |
| 03:54.56 | JManV | demo coming very, very soon |
| 03:55.08 | JManV | this is the last part i wanted to do before doing a demo |
| 03:55.19 | JademusSreg | I'll use a Technique Machine to teach Charbat the obscure Origami move. |
| 03:56.48 | tordy | dibs on charbat |
| 03:59.27 | JademusSreg | I shall try to catch the burrito with teeth asap. |
| 03:59.38 | tordy | can you make a burrito pocket warrior |
| 03:59.45 | JademusSreg | And if it's a hidden one, well, by god, I will find it. |
| 03:59.50 | JademusSreg | I' |
| 03:59.59 | JademusSreg | I'll play to the end game to find that burrito. |
| 04:00.16 | JManV | i better hide it good then, huh? |
| 04:00.17 | JManV | heh |
| 04:00.26 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 04:01.30 | tordy | can burrito be the pikachu of pocket warriors? |
| 04:01.39 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
| 04:01.47 | JManV | there's already probichu |
| 04:01.57 | JManV | also, i don't seeing the burrito being electric type |
| 04:02.03 | tordy | it most certainly can |
| 04:05.47 | JademusSreg | http://www.sc2mapster.com/profiles/JademusSreg/ |
| 04:05.56 | JademusSreg | That thing. |
| 04:05.58 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 04:06.24 | JademusSreg | Jman, what type would something like that have? |
| 04:06.24 | JManV | i'm thinking fire type |
| 04:06.38 | JademusSreg | Fire - Meat type? |
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| 04:06.59 | JademusSreg | Caliente! |
| 04:07.54 | tordy | no no no |
| 04:08.01 | tordy | fire type is what it wants you to think |
| 04:08.03 | tordy | it's more like |
| 04:08.11 | tordy | atp type |
| 04:08.52 | JademusSreg | atp? |
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| 04:27.50 | tordy | now what |
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| 04:41.27 | grim001 | http://www.foddy.net/Athletics.html |
| 04:41.33 | grim001 | that one hurts my fingers |
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| 04:52.06 | JademusSreg | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udEAEARD-Fo |
| 04:52.39 | JademusSreg | Gameplay footage. |
| 05:02.18 | grim001 | looks cool |
| 05:02.52 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 05:03.18 | JademusSreg | Also, it's a nice break from the standard FPS fanfare, not that I've played any of them. |
| 05:03.56 | JademusSreg | The mind-boggling part is that Hawken is apparently developed by a 9 person team. |
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| 05:14.04 | JademusSreg | Hm. I miss Levi. D= |
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| 05:17.41 | JademusSreg | He was my dev buddy. |
| 05:19.24 | JademusSreg | I guess I need a new dev buddy if I'm ever going to get anything done. |
| 05:27.47 | grim001 | hmmm |
| 05:28.10 | grim001 | maybe I'll just go all in, and make this thing indentation based and remove semicolons |
| 05:28.56 | grim001 | apparently the new version of GOLD can handle indentation based syntax. |
| 05:29.30 | JademusSreg | It's good to have someone you can trust to bounce ideas off of, crack jokes, and mercilessly but humorously deride in your criticisms. [Overdramatic sigh] |
| 05:29.34 | JademusSreg | Cool. |
| 05:34.46 | Lilianna | o.o |
| 05:35.11 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 05:35.14 | grim001 | what exactly have you been developing jademus? |
| 05:35.23 | Lilianna | Yay its not so hot in my room anymore! |
| 05:35.53 | JademusSreg | Various things. I have several maps and systems I'm juggling, but it's all quite boring without a dev buddy. |
| 05:37.24 | JademusSreg | I don't enjoy discussing development with public. =D |
| 05:37.39 | grim001 | Apparently the entire syntax for Java can be expressed in 659 lines with lots of whitespace. |
| 05:37.40 | JademusSreg | I admit, I am more fond of The Reveal. |
| 05:37.44 | JademusSreg | Tada, I made a map. |
| 05:38.17 | JademusSreg | grim, that is amusing. |
| 05:38.28 | JademusSreg | I might enjoy seeing that sometime. |
| 05:38.34 | tordy | more info on that |
| 05:38.43 | JademusSreg | Not now, of course; I'm very busy being completely unproductive. |
| 05:39.30 | grim001 | I've done that for about 3 days now, I feel like at least pretending I'm doing something now. |
| 05:40.06 | JademusSreg | Except for the occasional helping people do stuff, I've been on break for about 2 weeks. |
| 05:42.00 | grim001 | thank goodness GOLD doesn't use regex |
| 05:42.11 | Deaod | it does? |
| 05:42.28 | Deaod | for terminals in the BNF |
| 05:43.11 | grim001 | meh, ok. but it doesnt seem to use it the way that TinyPG did |
| 05:43.35 | JademusSreg | Haha TinyPG |
| 05:43.50 | grim001 | in other words, exclusively regex. |
| 05:43.52 | JademusSreg | That was hilarious. |
| 05:46.47 | grim001 | with tiny PG you could not even exclude or join sets of characters |
| 05:47.09 | grim001 | closest thing was using regex to try to exclude things, which doesn't end well. |
| 05:48.18 | JademusSreg | "I'm TinyPG; it takes 16 seconds for my parsers to parse a single small script from simple grammar! At least I'm easy hurr hurr" |
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| 05:51.11 | grim001 | I read something about the combination of regex and allowing ambiguous grammars causing exponential complexity |
| 05:51.37 | Deaod | well, regex is short for regular expressions |
| 05:51.48 | JademusSreg | Wakka wakka |
| 05:51.50 | JademusSreg | That figures. |
| 05:51.51 | Deaod | and most programming languages arent regular languages. |
| 05:52.30 | Deaod | theyre at least context free languages. |
| 05:52.51 | Deaod | so parsing such a language with regular expressions can get a bit difficult. |
| 05:52.55 | Deaod | actually. |
| 05:53.08 | Deaod | i might be talking bullshit again. |
| 05:53.50 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 05:59.26 | JademusSreg | Might be fun to use the grim physics system to prototype atoms and materials in SC2. |
| 06:00.19 | JademusSreg | Correction: it might be agonizing. That's what I must have meant. |
| 06:00.36 | JademusSreg | I'd certainly be better off doing it in something like UDK. |
| 06:00.59 | JademusSreg | Besides, I already intend to make something like Marbel Madness. |
| 06:01.06 | JademusSreg | *Marble |
| 06:01.07 | grim001 | its not going to be pretty if you have hundreds of objects continuously colliding with one another. |
| 06:02.12 | JademusSreg | I could remake Marble Madness now, only it would suck using the standard physics. |
| 06:02.35 | JademusSreg | SC2's physics engine is comedic and purely aesthetic. |
| 06:02.41 | JademusSreg | D= |
| 06:02.53 | JademusSreg | Not surprising for an RTS though. |
| 06:07.51 | Lilianna | It saves on processing power to only use it sparsly :o |
| 06:08.03 | Lilianna | and they didnt really need it to complete their game. >.> |
| 06:08.15 | JademusSreg | Yeah, that's it. Or perhaps it's just useless. |
| 06:08.21 | Lilianna | just like a handful of other things people Wished were viable, they were just uneccesary |
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| 06:13.53 | grim001 | Deaod, if you feel like sharing your galaxy grammar it would be a helpful reference for me |
| 06:14.19 | Deaod | http://deaod.de/GALAXYParser.7z |
| 06:15.47 | grim001 | oh, its in there. |
| 06:15.52 | Deaod | yes |
| 06:17.12 | grim001 | is the grammar complete? |
| 06:20.37 | Deaod | whats complete for you? |
| 06:20.38 | JademusSreg | Something I noticed about Darkspore is how it appears to have been designed so as to prevent the creation of dick monsters that were prolific in Spore. |
| 06:22.40 | Deaod | all of Blizzards libraries ive tried it on passed. |
| 06:23.52 | Deaod | however, it doesnt recognize semicolons before the first top-level statement |
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| 06:47.29 | onetwo | hi |
| 06:47.44 | JademusSreg | Hi. |
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| 06:57.08 | onetwo | LOL weird |
| 06:57.14 | onetwo | is EU past 1.3? |
| 06:57.22 | RipperRoo | yep |
| 06:57.24 | onetwo | i tried to login to vjeuxx right now to publish my EU map |
| 06:57.26 | RipperRoo | 1.31 |
| 06:57.27 | onetwo | err eu version |
| 06:57.30 | onetwo | and says failed |
| 06:57.31 | onetwo | fuck |
| 06:57.34 | JademusSreg | Weird. |
| 06:57.35 | RipperRoo | little fixes witch achievements |
| 06:57.36 | onetwo | i already have enough problems as it is |
| 06:58.00 | RipperRoo | hey guys got a little problem.. never had done that so dunno how |
| 06:58.27 | RipperRoo | i normally send trigger created units with "last created unit issued orderblablabla" .. but how can i send a group of units in a region ? |
| 06:58.41 | onetwo | now i gotta write myself a note |
| 06:58.43 | onetwo | to remind myself |
| 06:58.45 | onetwo | to update EU later |
| 06:58.53 | onetwo | what you mean Ripper? |
| 06:59.07 | onetwo | You can do Unit - Issue Order |
| 06:59.08 | RipperRoo | im creating 9 lings in a region |
| 06:59.12 | onetwo | or Unit - Issue Order to Unit Group |
| 06:59.16 | JademusSreg | Roo, same way you order a unit group[. |
| 06:59.18 | onetwo | its teh action right below issue order |
| 06:59.27 | RipperRoo | smae as issue order? |
| 06:59.29 | JademusSreg | Only make the unit group the units in the region. |
| 06:59.30 | onetwo | not same |
| 06:59.33 | onetwo | its a different action |
| 06:59.36 | onetwo | but right below the other one |
| 06:59.44 | RipperRoo | ok |
| 06:59.54 | Skizot | damned JManV |
| 06:59.58 | onetwo | then change the unit group to be instead of last created units, make it 'units in region matching condition' |
| 07:00.05 | onetwo | then the rest makes sense |
| 07:00.50 | JademusSreg | Time for me to sleep. |
| 07:04.17 | RipperRoo | jesus im not getting it -.- |
| 07:04.22 | RipperRoo | the german trigger editor is a mess |
| 07:04.29 | onetwo | yay for localization |
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| 07:06.21 | DarkRevenant | oh god the logic behind mafia is brutal |
| 07:06.37 | DarkRevenant | i have to code for literally every single possibility and combination that could happen |
| 07:07.00 | DarkRevenant | the issue lies in the fact that there cannot be any bugs, whatsoever |
| 07:07.02 | DarkRevenant | D: |
| 07:07.34 | DarkRevenant | if it doesnt work perfectly 100% of the time, it's trash |
| 07:07.44 | DarkRevenant | because any bug at all will break the game |
| 07:08.45 | RipperRoo | yeah.. u can say hello after joining a channel instead |
| 07:08.47 | RipperRoo | works the same |
| 07:10.34 | RipperRoo | IR WORKS |
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| 07:10.45 | RipperRoo | fucking unit groups.. fucking localisation |
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| 07:19.39 | onetwo | lol |
| 07:21.01 | grim001 | hmm using BNF instead of EBNF is difficult |
| 07:32.52 | DarkRevenant | and |
| 07:32.56 | DarkRevenant | BNF would stand for? |
| 07:33.23 | Deaod | Backus-Naur-Form |
| 07:35.37 | DarkRevenant | so, what, is XML an example of BNF |
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| 07:37.58 | grim001 | ... no |
| 07:38.22 | Deaod | how about you start by reading wikipedia. |
| 07:38.47 | DarkRevenant | i did |
| 07:38.51 | Deaod | good. |
| 07:38.52 | DarkRevenant | guess im just an idiot then? |
| 07:39.00 | DarkRevenant | because that's what i surmised, from wikipedia |
| 07:39.08 | Deaod | then you should have noticed that its a notation for grammars. |
| 07:39.30 | DarkRevenant | grammar that looked surprisingly like the kind you'd see in XML |
| 07:40.40 | DarkRevenant | meh fuck it, i'm just a hack |
| 07:41.00 | DarkRevenant | i'll go back to my CPLDs and microchips and cry myself to sleep |
| 07:45.03 | grim001 | what do you even mean by grammar in xml? xml is not a notation for grammars |
| 07:45.25 | DarkRevenant | XML is a programming language |
| 07:45.52 | DarkRevenant | language, being the key word; it has a grammatical syntax |
| 07:45.52 | DarkRevenant | though i use the term programming loosely |
| 07:46.32 | grim001 | has a grammar != describes a grammar |
| 07:46.45 | grim001 | BNF is for creating grammars |
| 07:46.50 | grim001 | it is not a programming language |
| 07:47.25 | grim001 | for example, you could describe the grammar of XML within BNF |
| 07:50.11 | DarkRevenant | okay then. |
| 07:50.51 | DarkRevenant | i get some of the easiest labs ever |
| 07:50.53 | grim001 | Deaod, having your grammar as a resource is going to save me massive amounts of time |
| 07:51.05 | DarkRevenant | lab 1: make a full adder |
| 07:51.34 | DarkRevenant | lab 2: make a decoder for a 7-segment BCD (shows 0-9) |
| 07:51.49 | DarkRevenant | and then a state machine that loops through 0-9 to be sent to the decoder |
| 07:51.57 | Deaod | well, it accepts certain things, like "private" in addition to "static" |
| 07:52.42 | grim001 | I noticed |
| 07:53.20 | Deaod | also, it parses block comments correctly |
| 07:53.39 | DarkRevenant | lab 3: make a device that displays your uni ID number |
| 07:53.41 | Deaod | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:53.53 | DarkRevenant | and to think that most people are failing |
| 07:55.04 | grim001 | how do you express characters within galaxy? |
| 07:55.24 | grim001 | single length strings such as: 'a' ? |
| 07:56.35 | RipperRoo | hey ok i need one more help xD |
| 07:56.51 | RipperRoo | someone good with triggers?^^ |
| 07:56.58 | grim001 | ? |
| 07:57.22 | RipperRoo | i want to use an effect on any unit that got morphed or build per trigger |
| 07:57.33 | RipperRoo | already found the effect on unit with condition thing |
| 07:57.43 | RipperRoo | but there is no "unit build" thing then^^ |
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| 07:58.17 | Helral|Work | you talking about a trigger event or ? |
| 07:58.31 | RipperRoo | yeah trigger |
| 07:58.38 | Helral|Work | unit construction completed eent |
| 07:58.40 | Helral|Work | event* |
| 07:58.42 | RipperRoo | do i have to use a variable ? |
| 07:59.15 | RipperRoo | omg of course ^^ |
| 07:59.19 | RipperRoo | stupid me sorry |
| 07:59.29 | grim001 | Deaod is it really necessary to include {Control Codes} in {SuperPrintable}? |
| 07:59.53 | Deaod | that bit i copied from Vex's vJass grammar |
| 08:00.25 | Deaod | also, char values currently accept more than one character |
| 08:00.57 | grim001 | nice |
| 08:01.40 | grim001 | why should that even be allowed? |
| 08:03.17 | Deaod | dont know. |
| 08:07.08 | grim001 | I get an "illegal char constant" compile error if I attempt to specify a char of more than length 1 |
| 08:10.30 | grim001 | what exactly goes galaxy allow as chars? |
| 08:10.34 | grim001 | anything you can type? |
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| 08:32.23 | Deaod | chars dont have much of a use in galaxy |
| 08:32.42 | Deaod | Blizzard doesnt even mention chars in natives.galaxy |
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| 08:38.52 | soulcarver | anybody here? |
| 08:39.36 | grim001 | yes. |
| 08:39.42 | soulcarver | I have player 15 set to treat player 1 as neutral but player 1 is set to treat 15 as hostile...... it does not give "kill resources" in this state... would love assistance |
| 08:40.02 | grim001 | i have no idea, but you could trigger the kill resources. |
| 08:40.23 | soulcarver | I could... how can I visibly display them then? |
| 08:40.39 | soulcarver | can I trigger how the standard kill resources look |
| 08:40.40 | soulcarver | ? |
| 08:41.20 | grim001 | I'm sure you can, however, it would take a bit of effort to make it look authentic. |
| 08:43.08 | grim001 | Deaod, I am considering just not supporting the obscure and crazy features no one will ever use. |
| 08:43.31 | grim001 | I would rather have exhaustive documentation that doesnt contain useless relics from galaxy. |
| 08:43.40 | soulcarver | I guess triggering it will have to do untill I come up with something better |
| 08:43.55 | grim001 | soulcarver, you could trigger it the other way around. |
| 08:44.01 | grim001 | set them both to neutral to one another |
| 08:44.08 | grim001 | and use triggers to prevent the CPU from attacking the player. |
| 08:44.29 | grim001 | setup a trigger to notice whenever a unit belonging to player 15 receives an order |
| 08:44.33 | soulcarver | the other way around? |
| 08:44.48 | grim001 | if that order targets player 1, then cancel the order. |
| 08:45.01 | soulcarver | I kinda do that but its not fast enough |
| 08:45.06 | soulcarver | the problem is |
| 08:45.10 | grim001 | it should be instant. |
| 08:45.17 | soulcarver | when player 15's units go idle |
| 08:45.23 | soulcarver | they attack something |
| 08:45.34 | grim001 | it would be instant if you did what I just mentioned. |
| 08:45.37 | soulcarver | I have a trigger for when they go idle to issue a move command |
| 08:45.57 | soulcarver | the idle event should be prior to them attacking something |
| 08:46.06 | soulcarver | wouldnt you think? |
| 08:46.21 | Deaod | my parser would probably crash if someone used chars |
| 08:46.36 | Deaod | so yeah, removing those probably wont do much harm. |
| 08:46.41 | grim001 | when the hell will anyone use octal either? |
| 08:46.55 | grim001 | are there any algorithms which lend themselves to using octal which could see use in SC2? |
| 08:47.03 | Deaod | i have no idea. |
| 08:47.42 | grim001 | yes I would rather just simply the grammar to the useful parts. |
| 08:48.05 | Deaod | meh, octal does no harm. |
| 08:48.32 | Deaod | just doesnt allow you to use leading zeros |
| 08:48.48 | Deaod | but if you need to offset something, you can use spaces just as well |
| 08:51.06 | Deaod | meh, ill probably just throw an error at the user informing him that char variables have no use and will be ignored |
| 08:51.19 | grim001 | I would rather use 0o to represent octal |
| 08:51.29 | grim001 | matches better with 0x for hex |
| 08:51.47 | grim001 | the number of times this feature would be used: 0 |
| 08:52.02 | Deaod | meh. |
| 08:52.27 | Deaod | i can ignore octals easily |
| 09:01.39 | soulcarver | any unit attacks -events generate alot of trigger activity |
| 09:01.41 | soulcarver | eh |
| 09:05.06 | grim001 | I am pleased by how simple the grammar is when you remove some of that junk. |
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| 09:28.53 | Deaod | grim, heres a new version of the GOLDEngine: http://deaod.de/GOLDEngine.jar |
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| 09:43.15 | grim001 | thanks |
| 09:44.06 | Deaod | main change, Reductions and Tokens now have getSourceStartPosition() and getSourceEndPosition() |
| 09:44.18 | Deaod | -, +: |
| 09:44.24 | grim001 | neat |
| 09:44.53 | grim001 | I've got comments, global variables and basic assignments to them working so far |
| 09:44.57 | grim001 | but I think I'll take a nap now |
| 09:45.05 | grim001 | later |
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| 10:10.32 | ducky | hello, anybody in here? :D |
| 10:10.46 | Beier | yep |
| 10:12.05 | ducky | i'm wondering, is it a horrible idea to ask people to share info about their inactive/abandoned projects? I'm kind of curious of what we would get,, |
| 10:12.17 | ducky | :D |
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| 10:14.38 | Beier | dunno.. it's probably abandoned for a reason though.. |
| 10:19.24 | ducky | do you think people would be willing to share maybe a screenshot and a short description of what map was and why it got abondaned? It would be fun(and sad) to see all thoose things that were not done.. I dunno, i'm just wonering about all thoose maps that we'll never know about otherwise |
| 10:21.57 | ducky | hm.. well, i'll never know if it's a valid idea unless i try xD |
| 10:22.43 | Beier | you could try starting a thread about it.. |
| 10:23.39 | Beier | some of them might be abandoned quite early, before any real screenshots could be made though |
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| 10:24.55 | Beier | I had an Idea about some 1st person flight simulator, but I abandoned it since I couldn't tilt models around their forward axis.. |
| 10:25.11 | Beier | don't really have much to show for it though |
| 10:26.43 | ducky | =[ editor limitations as one of the causes for abondoning a map |
| 10:26.50 | ducky | i guess appropriate place for such thread would be in off-topic? |
| 10:27.44 | Beier | or maby project workspace? |
| 10:28.10 | ducky | maybe |
| 10:28.57 | ducky | but I guess i need to contribute myself to get things started |
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| 11:41.15 | Maul | . |
| 11:41.25 | Maul | one more month until its april 1st in aussie land |
| 11:41.57 | Maul | sixens time to shine apparently |
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| 12:30.09 | Mexa|Afk | Mornin' |
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| 12:36.27 | Helral|Work | meow |
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| 12:44.10 | depthsofchaos | hey |
| 12:44.19 | depthsofchaos | does anyone know the max bank size ? |
| 12:44.23 | Helral|Work | meow |
| 12:44.49 | depthsofchaos | or the data one can loadinto a map at a time :o |
| 12:45.14 | Helral|Work | meow.... |
| 12:45.37 | depthsofchaos | woof |
| 12:46.04 | Helral|Work | not woof, meow |
| 12:46.16 | depthsofchaos | prove it |
| 12:47.35 | Helral|Work | the first 18 seconds: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTunhRVyREU |
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| 12:47.43 | Helral|Work | there's you proof, it's meow not woof ;p |
| 12:47.46 | Helral|Work | your* |
| 12:47.50 | Helral|Work | meows |
| 12:49.06 | depthsofchaos | that cat makes me want to commit animal cruelty |
| 12:49.29 | depthsofchaos | then again, all cats do :p |
| 12:49.31 | Helral|Work | hehehe |
| 12:49.37 | Helral|Work | meows innocently |
| 12:49.49 | lefix | dogs are just so much better than cats |
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| 12:51.43 | Helral|Work | awful cat song in my opinion: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSMCRD35ch4 |
| 12:53.23 | depthsofchaos | i dont have any good cat songs to compare it to :p |
| 12:53.35 | depthsofchaos | but this one is truly a wristcutter |
| 12:54.02 | depthsofchaos | ok i cant figure out whats the bank limit :o |
| 12:55.26 | depthsofchaos | i want to store 256x256x256 value :p |
| 12:58.44 | Mexa|Afk | By trial and error perhaps? |
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| 13:00.14 | harl | hewwo |
| 13:00.35 | depthsofchaos | meh i thought someone knew |
| 13:00.37 | depthsofchaos | hi |
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| 13:07.45 | Helral|Work | depthsofchaos: I thought the size limit was mostly removed ;p |
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| 13:08.57 | depthsofchaos | ye but this can be over multiple megabytes :o |
| 13:10.33 | Helral|Work | what kind of value do you want to store ;p |
| 13:11.26 | depthsofchaos | doesnt matter i need that many characters |
| 13:11.29 | Helral|Work | depthsofchaos: why do you reach 256x256x256 ? |
| 13:11.37 | depthsofchaos | thats the map size |
| 13:12.01 | Helral|Work | so you got 256 levels in a 256x256 map? |
| 13:12.12 | depthsofchaos | i wanted to make a minecraft sort of map:p for the lulz |
| 13:12.20 | Helral|Work | lol |
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| 13:12.43 | Helral|Work | you can store it with less then that then using compression. |
| 13:13.02 | depthsofchaos | well even if i use a boolean value for each block |
| 13:13.27 | depthsofchaos | thats huge |
| 13:14.28 | depthsofchaos | i could store like 6 boolean in 1 character |
| 13:14.48 | Helral|Work | not 8? |
| 13:15.02 | depthsofchaos | not sure how many characters are accepted |
| 13:15.22 | Helral|Work | well you can store 31 booleans in an integer ;p |
| 13:15.49 | Helral|Work | and an integer takes up 4 bytes in sc2 (if I remember correct) |
| 13:16.20 | depthsofchaos | banks use ascii |
| 13:16.30 | depthsofchaos | not storing it on the bit level |
| 13:16.41 | Helral|Work | ow yeah :S |
| 13:17.26 | depthsofchaos | wel i could use a seed |
| 13:17.37 | depthsofchaos | so i would only have to store the differences |
| 13:17.42 | Helral|Work | lol I've just been thinking about using seed generations ;p |
| 13:17.43 | depthsofchaos | from that generated world |
| 13:18.02 | depthsofchaos | but still if a player modifies too much :p |
| 13:18.06 | depthsofchaos | it will get biger |
| 13:18.07 | Helral|Work | did blizzard implement the setting of a seed yet? |
| 13:18.16 | depthsofchaos | no :o |
| 13:18.18 | depthsofchaos | :( |
| 13:18.31 | Helral|Work | so youll need to create your own number gen :S |
| 13:19.05 | depthsofchaos | well thats not so hard |
| 13:19.16 | depthsofchaos | ill use md5 on their seed |
| 13:19.20 | depthsofchaos | or something |
| 13:19.50 | depthsofchaos | im just gona test if the map can handle that many blocks :p |
| 13:21.19 | Helral|Work | hmmmm I'm currently in need of a number gen which gives me a valid result each time without resulting in a loop which keeps repeating the same sequence. |
| 13:21.51 | depthsofchaos | why not use md5 on the seed then md5 on that again :p while you need new stuff |
| 13:22.12 | depthsofchaos | should be all unique |
| 13:22.17 | Helral|Work | hmmmm |
| 13:22.41 | Helral|Work | then I'd need to reform the md5 into a valid integer between X and Y. |
| 13:23.37 | depthsofchaos | well get its avarage or something |
| 13:24.03 | depthsofchaos | hmm well not sure |
| 13:24.21 | Helral|Work | basicly I'd need to create a random function which returns a value between 0 and 1. |
| 13:24.26 | depthsofchaos | hmm map couldnt place 100*100*100 blocks :p |
| 13:24.32 | depthsofchaos | gota do it in parts |
| 13:24.39 | Helral|Work | took too long? |
| 13:24.42 | depthsofchaos | yes |
| 13:24.51 | Helral|Work | *Trigger Execution Time Exceeded Error* |
| 13:24.54 | depthsofchaos | gona do it in separate threads |
| 13:25.05 | Helral|Work | just throw in Waits and show a completion timer |
| 13:25.23 | Helral|Work | or use a timer instead fo waits and display a progressbar as well. |
| 13:25.43 | depthsofchaos | 1 million wait is a long time :p |
| 13:25.53 | Helral|Work | I used the timer with progressbar for my map generation. ;p |
| 13:26.06 | Helral|Work | only wait every 400 times orso. |
| 13:27.06 | Ekals | I'm attempting to make an ability that just fires out a viking missile, by using the pre-existing "Launch Missile" effect from Vikings. However it doesn't seem to work in the way I had imagined. |
| 13:27.15 | Helral|Work | hmmm it would take 156.25 seconds assuming a wait is 0.0625 seconds. to generate 100*100*100 blocks in nodes of 400. |
| 13:28.03 | Helral|Work | Ekals: the dmg does happen but no animation? |
| 13:28.26 | Ekals | Nothing happens, I think. It just appears to be channeling forever |
| 13:29.02 | Helral|Work | hmmmm |
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| 13:29.54 | depthsofchaos_ | damn internetz |
| 13:30.13 | depthsofchaos_ | it only placed |
| 13:30.19 | depthsofchaos_ | 1 row of 100*100 this time :o |
| 13:31.48 | JManV|Work | hows it going helral? |
| 13:31.51 | JManV|Work | been a minute |
| 13:32.03 | Helral|Work | meow? |
| 13:32.17 | JManV|Work | indeed. |
| 13:32.59 | depthsofchaos | helral, take the avarage of the md5 and see if its below or above the half of the char type count :o |
| 13:33.08 | depthsofchaos | tho i dont know if md5 spreads equally |
| 13:33.46 | depthsofchaos | ok i think i reached the unit limit on the map :o |
| 13:33.58 | depthsofchaos | 100*100*2 :o |
| 13:34.57 | depthsofchaos | thats sad |
| 13:35.04 | depthsofchaos | i wonder whats the actor limit |
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| 13:37.29 | Dustin | Mornin gents. |
| 13:37.52 | JManV|Work | mornin |
| 13:38.03 | A1win | phew... finally got my LabVIEW excercise done... had like a month to do it and I started 3 days before it was supposed to be ready |
| 13:38.17 | A1win | made a 3D frogger clone, it's epic |
| 13:38.21 | Dustin | Lol sounds like me back in school |
| 13:38.38 | JManV|Work | i do that at work all the time :P |
| 13:38.39 | Dustin | I'd write my 6 month long research paper the night before and get A's |
| 13:38.41 | Dustin | Shit was cash |
| 13:39.22 | A1win | the lecturer would've given me like 7 as grade but 5 was max so I had to do with that :< |
| 13:41.03 | depthsofchaos | does this define you or the lectures quality ?:p |
| 13:41.08 | Dustin | You have numbers as grades? |
| 13:42.52 | Mexa|Afk | we have numbers or alphabetic, depending if it is an ETCS grade or not |
| 13:43.23 | Mexa|Afk | *ects |
| 13:43.42 | Mexa|Afk | Which is european credits transfer score or something |
| 13:43.45 | A1win | the grades are on a 0-5 scale |
| 13:44.10 | A1win | in university |
| 13:44.18 | depthsofchaos | is there any way to check if a unit was created?:o |
| 13:44.23 | JManV|Work | silly europeans |
| 13:44.30 | Mexa|Afk | we have that too I think... though below 3 equals failure |
| 13:44.35 | A1win | depthsofchaos, what do you mean? |
| 13:44.41 | JManV|Work | you can trigger on unit created |
| 13:45.00 | JManV|Work | but if you go to create a unit, chances are, it got created |
| 13:45.03 | depthsofchaos | im creating thousands of units |
| 13:45.07 | depthsofchaos | but they dont seem to get placed |
| 13:45.27 | depthsofchaos | tho the loop still continues |
| 13:45.27 | A1win | Mexa|Afk, on our courses we need to pass about 50% of the exam, and that 50% equals grade 1 and 100% grade 5 |
| 13:45.36 | Mexa|Afk | oh |
| 13:45.58 | A1win | but it's not the same for all of them |
| 13:46.10 | A1win | like on this course, 2/3 of the grade came from the exam and 1/3 from this excercise |
| 13:46.13 | Mexa|Afk | Yeah, same, it differs depending on the course. |
| 13:46.18 | JManV|Work | omg i can't deal with this lady talking to herself! |
| 13:46.34 | depthsofchaos | shes hitting on you! |
| 13:46.42 | Dustin | Why are you creating thousands of units? |
| 13:47.03 | depthsofchaos | because i want to fill the whole map :o |
| 13:47.15 | Dustin | :O |
| 13:47.19 | Dustin | That just sounds like a bad idea :P |
| 13:47.54 | depthsofchaos | well i dont see why it cant work |
| 13:48.32 | depthsofchaos | but im trying actors now |
| 13:48.52 | JManV|Work | how are you creating them? |
| 13:49.23 | depthsofchaos | in 3 loops with waits |
| 13:49.37 | depthsofchaos | but it places like the first 2 row |
| 13:49.39 | depthsofchaos | then no more |
| 13:49.50 | *** join/#sc2mapster Ashamed (20616e3e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.32.97.110.62) |
| 13:49.56 | depthsofchaos | tho the loop is still going |
| 13:50.04 | Dustin | Are you spacing them out |
| 13:50.15 | depthsofchaos | ye |
| 13:50.15 | Dustin | Cause if they dont have anywhere to spawn they wont |
| 13:50.28 | depthsofchaos | i check ignroe placement |
| 13:51.23 | JManV|Work | then they could be placing on top of each other |
| 13:51.26 | JManV|Work | and you wouldn't notice |
| 13:51.44 | depthsofchaos | but they get coordinates |
| 13:51.47 | depthsofchaos | from the loops |
| 13:52.32 | Ashamed | http://67.173.241.220:8080/TCS%20Solutions/index.html ( check out my newest website design ) Making it for some deck company :) |
| 13:52.36 | Helral|Work | depthsofchaos you sure the height is done correctly ;p |
| 13:52.37 | Dustin | There's an actor limit on maps |
| 13:52.37 | Ashamed | tell me what you guys think |
| 13:52.42 | Ashamed | its still a ways from being done |
| 13:52.58 | Dustin | lol |
| 13:53.08 | Dustin | It reminds me of trying to watch porn on dialup Ashamed :P |
| 13:53.13 | Ashamed | is it slow ? |
| 13:53.17 | Ashamed | its because its on my comptuer |
| 13:53.18 | Ashamed | lol |
| 13:53.22 | Helral|Work | I'll let you know what it looks like in an hour ;p |
| 13:53.24 | depthsofchaos | ye the height is good, first 2 rows work |
| 13:53.26 | Ashamed | you are going through my ghey comcast connection |
| 13:53.34 | Dustin | Ya hehe |
| 13:53.39 | depthsofchaos | i guess its unit limit or actor limit |
| 13:53.40 | Ashamed | i do not have a sever |
| 13:53.42 | Ashamed | just a quad core |
| 13:53.43 | Ashamed | lol |
| 13:53.56 | Dustin | I think the image was just huuuge |
| 13:54.08 | Ashamed | yeah and its just one huge ass picture too |
| 13:54.12 | Ashamed | its not the actual website yet |
| 13:54.14 | Ashamed | with all my cuts |
| 13:54.35 | A1win | it's 1,5 MB ;p |
| 13:54.39 | A1win | not *that* huge |
| 13:54.44 | Helral|Work | just wondering bu why the hell use that big of an image? |
| 13:54.53 | Dustin | Yeah it's a 1.42 mb png file |
| 13:54.54 | Ashamed | its mainly becuase you are going through my http server |
| 13:54.55 | JManV|Work | ashamed: i don't like the header font |
| 13:54.56 | Ashamed | and its not great |
| 13:55.00 | Ashamed | since my computer is not that good |
| 13:55.00 | Dustin | Yeah lol |
| 13:55.07 | Ashamed | Jmanv thats what my wife said too >< |
| 13:55.11 | JManV|Work | yeah, and it loads really slow |
| 13:55.16 | Ashamed | what should i use a more straight font ? |
| 13:55.18 | depthsofchaos | also the borders are too thick :p |
| 13:55.30 | JManV|Work | header needs to be a little taller |
| 13:55.39 | JManV|Work | not enough space between the words and the lines |
| 13:55.50 | JManV|Work | but get rid of that font first :P |
| 13:55.51 | A1win | the header font reminds me too much of COMIC SANS |
| 13:56.00 | JManV|Work | i think it is comic sans |
| 13:56.04 | Ashamed | lol |
| 13:56.23 | JManV|Work | the rest looks really good, but loads really slow |
| 13:56.31 | Ashamed | its not going to be on my server |
| 13:56.32 | Helral|Work | I vote for the old folks comments on the Header. also it ain't even spelled correctly. |
| 13:56.34 | Ashamed | when i release it |
| 13:56.47 | Ashamed | its just easier for me to do that so i dont have to host it on some image site |
| 13:56.53 | A1win | use JPGs :P |
| 13:57.02 | Helral|Work | Soultions ;p thought it should be Solutions ;p |
| 13:57.05 | Ashamed | pngs are such better qaulity :) |
| 13:57.09 | Ashamed | yeah me too helral |
| 13:57.15 | Ashamed | but i just copied from the dudes email |
| 13:57.16 | A1win | but they're bigger ;p |
| 13:57.17 | Ashamed | so i dunno... |
| 13:57.19 | Ashamed | i am going to ask him |
| 13:57.20 | Ashamed | lol |
| 13:57.20 | JManV|Work | it might be better to use the big box as an image, and the gradient as a single pixel wide background |
| 13:57.32 | Helral|Work | lol |
| 13:57.40 | Ashamed | yeah jman thats how it will be |
| 13:57.43 | Ashamed | i have not done any cutting |
| 13:57.45 | Helral|Work | just wondering cause the map is called TCS Solutions ;p |
| 13:57.50 | Ashamed | they will all be smaller images |
| 13:57.55 | Ashamed | and i will have a background image |
| 13:58.07 | Ashamed | oh its not a map lol |
| 13:58.07 | Helral|Work | hehehe |
| 13:58.07 | JManV|Work | ok, so that's just the layout |
| 13:58.13 | Ashamed | its some local deck company |
| 13:58.19 | A1win | speaking of names, I still don't know what to call my map D: |
| 13:58.26 | Dustin | http://marcellasdowntown.com/dev/ |
| 13:58.30 | Dustin | Theres one of mine |
| 13:58.32 | Ashamed | yeah just the layout jmanv |
| 13:58.33 | JManV|Work | yeah, i usually lay out an entire site in photoshop first myself |
| 13:58.34 | Dustin | Turned out decent |
| 13:58.34 | Ashamed | its not the actual site yet |
| 13:58.39 | Ashamed | i am still working on the design end |
| 13:58.44 | JManV|Work | ok, makes sense |
| 13:58.47 | Helral|Work | ok so excluding the font and loading time.... hmmmm what kind of company is it actually? ;p |
| 13:58.56 | Ashamed | i just tossed the embedded buttons in there to show them |
| 13:58.58 | JManV|Work | but change the header font and make the header a little taller |
| 13:59.11 | Ashamed | yeah i will mess around with the font |
| 13:59.14 | Ashamed | i got anothe rone for you |
| 13:59.22 | Ashamed | that i am making for my starwars guild :) |
| 13:59.23 | JManV|Work | possibly add some imagary behind the header |
| 13:59.25 | Ashamed | when the damn game comes out |
| 13:59.33 | Ashamed | yeah jmanv i want to do something with the banner |
| 13:59.39 | Ashamed | i just have scrapped everything I have tried |
| 13:59.40 | depthsofchaos | map actor limit is around 45 thousand which ruins my minecraft port intentions xD |
| 13:59.56 | Dustin | Lol |
| 14:00.06 | Dustin | I was thinking about making a mincecraft port on sC@ |
| 14:00.17 | Dustin | then I realised that'd be ridiculious with the editor |
| 14:00.27 | Helral|Work | depthsofchaos use the "What you don't see don't need to be there" method. |
| 14:00.31 | depthsofchaos | if java can handle it why not our editor :o |
| 14:00.45 | Dustin | Because our editor is made for a RTS game |
| 14:00.56 | Dustin | Not a FPS mineblock game :P |
| 14:00.56 | depthsofchaos | good idea helral |
| 14:01.02 | depthsofchaos | tho thats a bit tricky |
| 14:01.09 | depthsofchaos | really tricky :p |
| 14:01.19 | Dustin | Wouldnt be hard for SP |
| 14:01.24 | Dustin | but MP would be a bitch and a half |
| 14:01.32 | A1win | what's the difference? ;p |
| 14:01.33 | depthsofchaos | generating the world on the run |
| 14:01.35 | Dustin | Can you hide actos for specific players? |
| 14:01.40 | depthsofchaos | yes |
| 14:01.46 | Helral|Work | he ran out of actor spots ;p |
| 14:01.58 | Mexa|Afk | urgh... I wonder why Rebecka Black just now got bigger than Bieber. |
| 14:02.04 | A1win | I mean what's so difficult in multiplayer compared to SP |
| 14:02.22 | A1win | it's just the same thing multiple times :P |
| 14:02.40 | Helral|Work | well he can't allow all the players to reveal more then x% of the blocks ;p |
| 14:02.42 | Dustin | Not really :P |
| 14:02.51 | Helral|Work | cause when they do he runs out of actors. |
| 14:03.04 | depthsofchaos | 45 thousand block is not even covering the 256*256 ground |
| 14:03.07 | A1win | oh that ;p |
| 14:03.23 | A1win | combine chunks of blocks into one actor |
| 14:03.34 | Dustin | Hows that gonna work? |
| 14:03.42 | Dustin | Each block has to be access indiviually |
| 14:03.44 | depthsofchaos | that would look silly :p |
| 14:03.45 | Dustin | accessed* |
| 14:03.56 | A1win | Dustin, then you replace it with smaller parts when needed |
| 14:04.09 | Dustin | That doesn't make any sense :P |
| 14:04.13 | A1win | ._o |
| 14:04.17 | depthsofchaos | well its needed whenever you see it |
| 14:04.20 | Helral|Work | well it would actually work ;p |
| 14:04.28 | A1win | I mean when it's needed to be split |
| 14:04.37 | depthsofchaos | but it would look lame visually |
| 14:04.44 | A1win | it'd look exactly the same |
| 14:04.46 | Helral|Work | you can use a method like everything more then 5 paces from an unit can be cubed. |
| 14:04.55 | Ashamed | i think my internets is acting up....... at home |
| 14:04.56 | Mexa|Afk | Dustin, I would drop that idea at once :v |
| 14:05.02 | depthsofchaos | a strected out texture? |
| 14:05.03 | Mexa|Afk | The minecraft in sc2 idea |
| 14:05.06 | Ashamed | that might of been one of the reasons it was slow too lol |
| 14:05.09 | Dustin | I already did :P |
| 14:05.14 | A1win | depthsofchaos, no |
| 14:05.24 | A1win | a bigger model |
| 14:05.32 | A1win | with copies of the smaller one |
| 14:05.43 | depthsofchaos | ah well i cba to make 100models :p |
| 14:05.45 | A1win | like if you have 4x4 cube1 pieces |
| 14:05.52 | Dustin | The terrain is all random generated I dont understand on how what you're getting out |
| 14:05.56 | A1win | you make a model that looks like 4x4 of those |
| 14:05.59 | A1win | but is just 1 model :P |
| 14:06.09 | A1win | you replace whatever you can |
| 14:06.12 | Dustin | How are you going to mold all the indiviudal blocks together into one model |
| 14:06.18 | Mexa|Afk | Exactly |
| 14:06.22 | A1win | not all, just a lot of them |
| 14:06.28 | Dustin | No Im asking |
| 14:06.30 | Dustin | How |
| 14:06.33 | depthsofchaos | would have to be constantly checking |
| 14:06.39 | Mexa|Afk | There's no dynamic meshcreation in sc2, and that has already killed it |
| 14:06.42 | A1win | yea ;p |
| 14:06.56 | A1win | I didn't say it'd be very lightweight :P |
| 14:07.00 | A1win | but it'd get around the actor limit |
| 14:07.10 | Dustin | Im saying it's not possible lol |
| 14:07.25 | depthsofchaos | its possible just isnt worth the effort |
| 14:07.30 | Dustin | Unless there's some secret way to meld actors together into one actor and then split them apart |
| 14:07.31 | JManV|Work | what's the actor limit? |
| 14:07.32 | A1win | mmm |
| 14:07.34 | Mexa|Afk | Dustin, oh you mean one would create a huge model with tons of animation/variation sequences? |
| 14:07.48 | depthsofchaos | 45k ish |
| 14:08.01 | JManV|Work | 45,000 actors? |
| 14:08.07 | Mexa|Afk | ... not going to work anyway |
| 14:08.13 | Dustin | How I would do it is, genetrate the terrain with actors hidden, each block |
| 14:08.15 | JManV|Work | ok, i guess i don't have to worry about that one |
| 14:08.20 | Mexa|Afk | The actor limit is far less that 45k |
| 14:08.23 | Helral|Work | wonder if we can get a random number generator library with seed support competition going on sc2mapster ;p |
| 14:08.23 | Dustin | Then I'd only show within a certain range of the unit |
| 14:08.24 | Mexa|Afk | *than |
| 14:08.35 | depthsofchaos | i just tested it |
| 14:09.05 | depthsofchaos | 55k this time it gave an error |
| 14:09.10 | Mexa|Afk | Dustin, yes, that would work, then again, how do you enable actor visibility for the local player? |
| 14:09.23 | Mexa|Afk | Not mentioning actors in triggers are desyncronous |
| 14:09.43 | Dustin | I said it'd have to be done SP |
| 14:09.48 | Dustin | MP jsut wouldnt work |
| 14:09.52 | Mexa|Afk | oh, I missed that |
| 14:09.53 | Helral|Work | btw the minimap also has a limit on what it can display which is lower then the limit of the units on the map |
| 14:09.55 | Mexa|Afk | :) |
| 14:10.00 | Dustin | And I dont even know if you can hide actors from a player |
| 14:10.09 | depthsofchaos | minimap limit is around 1 thousand |
| 14:10.17 | depthsofchaos | you can |
| 14:10.18 | Mexa|Afk | well, if the actor is attached to a unit |
| 14:10.23 | Mexa|Afk | You can hide the unit |
| 14:10.27 | Helral|Work | I've already reached that limit with my RDM ;p |
| 14:10.41 | depthsofchaos | ye i did too on netstorm |
| 14:10.44 | Mexa|Afk | I think there's some complex actor message thingy to hide specific actors. |
| 14:10.50 | Dustin | I just wish I could control Terrain via triggers |
| 14:10.52 | depthsofchaos | had to only show every second wall |
| 14:10.56 | Dustin | So I could make actuall random terrain |
| 14:11.00 | Helral|Work | fully revealed map on 225x225 would only show 80% of the maze on the minimap |
| 14:11.05 | Mexa|Afk | mm' |
| 14:11.07 | depthsofchaos | you can change its height |
| 14:11.13 | Dustin | No Thats bs |
| 14:11.20 | Ashamed | well i had another banner i wanted you guys to see but my comptuer wont let me remote in for some reason :( |
| 14:11.23 | Dustin | I can change the height with data shit |
| 14:11.30 | Mexa|Afk | Dustin, you could alternatively use data to create terrain deformations |
| 14:11.32 | Dustin | But I want to change cliff levels, terrain textures |
| 14:11.33 | Ashamed | and i do not have that directory on my http server |
| 14:11.36 | Dustin | Yeah fuck that |
| 14:11.40 | Mexa|Afk | But I'm not even sure it is worth the time nor the result |
| 14:11.40 | Dustin | I cant randomize with that |
| 14:11.48 | Dustin | It's not |
| 14:11.53 | Dustin | I fucked with it forawhile |
| 14:12.05 | depthsofchaos | saw one guy have the idea of painting the terrain with models |
| 14:12.12 | depthsofchaos | like the psi storm cursor model |
| 14:12.17 | depthsofchaos | it follows terrain |
| 14:12.45 | Dustin | Ill just wait till Blizzard gets off their asses and add in functionality that they had in WC3 |
| 14:13.04 | Mexa|Afk | The functionality in wc3 wasn't really that great |
| 14:13.11 | Dustin | At least it had it |
| 14:13.15 | Mexa|Afk | Especially since it was asyncronous |
| 14:13.23 | Dustin | I could get Textures at points, replace textures |
| 14:13.28 | Mexa|Afk | and crashed on Macs if I remember correctly |
| 14:13.33 | Mexa|Afk | Oh yeah, that one |
| 14:13.45 | Dustin | The terrain deformation was a joke yeah |
| 14:13.53 | Mexa|Afk | think about it though, in warcraft 3 you had 1 texture per cell |
| 14:14.09 | Mexa|Afk | In sc2 you merge up to 8 ones together. |
| 14:14.19 | depthsofchaos | blizz didnt bother changing the 8 texture limit |
| 14:14.24 | depthsofchaos | so i dont think theyll do this |
| 14:14.32 | Dustin | Yeah that puts a damper on the Get Texture |
| 14:14.39 | Dustin | but should still be able to layone down |
| 14:14.52 | Mexa|Afk | It would be more costly for the engine, for a functionality that wouln't be used too much. |
| 14:14.54 | A1win | well a get texture could return the alpha of that texture at that point |
| 14:15.05 | Mexa|Afk | I mean, worth the effort implementing perhaps |
| 14:15.05 | A1win | I mean, each of them |
| 14:15.10 | Dustin | I saw they were thinking about adding in Get/Put Textures |
| 14:15.18 | Mexa|Afk | oh? Okay |
| 14:15.26 | Dustin | Yeah I dont remember the thread |
| 14:15.30 | A1win | or like "get visible alpha value of texture x at point y" |
| 14:15.34 | Dustin | but it was some Questions and Answers post |
| 14:15.53 | Dustin | I just want to make randomized maps |
| 14:16.19 | Dustin | I had a badass idea that'd rock the popularity list |
| 14:16.23 | Mexa|Afk | You could make a randomized maze map |
| 14:16.31 | Dustin | Yeah wouldnt be the same |
| 14:16.37 | depthsofchaos | random melee map :) |
| 14:16.40 | depthsofchaos | that would rock |
| 14:16.59 | Mexa|Afk | It wouldn't be the same, but it would be randomized :) |
| 14:17.36 | Dustin | I had the idea of a small 128x128 map that was randomized each time you palyed it and had a slew of different mission quests and it'd pick a random one each time, then you just load your hero you want and do the random RPG type game |
| 14:17.45 | Dustin | Be the ultimate in replayability |
| 14:18.01 | Ashamed | dustin DO It |
| 14:18.12 | Ashamed | will it have a save? |
| 14:18.16 | Dustin | I cant because I can't generate cliffs or textures :( |
| 14:18.24 | A1win | we just need good assets to randomize with |
| 14:18.26 | Dustin | It would auto save your hero /stats items etc |
| 14:18.39 | Ashamed | ooooh fancy |
| 14:18.39 | depthsofchaos | generate a sign that says"imagine snowy mountains here" |
| 14:18.40 | A1win | wall and floor models |
| 14:18.49 | A1win | :P |
| 14:18.57 | Ashamed | ulitmate rping depth |
| 14:19.03 | depthsofchaos | ^^ |
| 14:19.17 | Dustin | Yeah I guess if I had a badass modeler I could just make all new terrai nassests |
| 14:19.33 | Ashamed | not me :( |
| 14:19.34 | A1win | sounds like the idea I had for a song a few days ago: someone just talking in a monotonic voice describing what instruments are playing and which melodies they're playing etc. |
| 14:19.36 | Dustin | and make some algorithyms to randomize and connect those as terrai nobjects |
| 14:19.50 | A1win | (without actually having any music) |
| 14:19.58 | Ashamed | a1win i wouldn't do it |
| 14:20.00 | Ashamed | lol |
| 14:20.07 | depthsofchaos | i wish sc2 used unreal engine :o |
| 14:20.13 | Ashamed | i would find that very annoying |
| 14:20.20 | A1win | hehe I wouldn't know enough about music anyway |
| 14:20.24 | Dustin | UDK it's pretty sick, but not for an RTS |
| 14:20.29 | Ashamed | lol |
| 14:20.45 | depthsofchaos | well ive seen rpg made in it |
| 14:20.54 | depthsofchaos | diablo clones too |
| 14:20.57 | Ashamed | yeah |
| 14:21.05 | Dustin | Yeah UDK does good for that stuff |
| 14:21.17 | Ashamed | the new one is coming out within 4 years |
| 14:21.18 | Ashamed | >< |
| 14:21.23 | depthsofchaos | :( |
| 14:21.31 | Dustin | Diablo 3 will be out next year! |
| 14:21.43 | Ashamed | i think its going to come out when the new consoles do |
| 14:21.45 | depthsofchaos | udk just doesnt get much attention lately |
| 14:21.50 | Dustin | Cant fucking wait, it's so fun to play. |
| 14:21.56 | Ashamed | because that are focusing on a higher end engine that these concsoles can't handle |
| 14:22.05 | Ashamed | yeah d3 is oging to be the shit |
| 14:22.09 | Ashamed | if it ever comes out |
| 14:22.16 | Dustin | Played it at Blizzcon couple years back |
| 14:22.32 | Dustin | With some random hot chick I met at the con |
| 14:22.39 | Dustin | Who now works for blizzard |
| 14:22.58 | Dustin | Good times, good times. |
| 14:23.10 | depthsofchaos | :o was it any different from d2? |
| 14:23.52 | Dustin | Hella |
| 14:23.58 | Dustin | The customization is crazy |
| 14:24.07 | Dustin | You can gem spells and shit |
| 14:24.15 | Dustin | Graphics were top notch |
| 14:24.24 | *** join/#sc2mapster Obatztrara (839f0007@gateway/web/freenode/ip.131.159.0.7) |
| 14:24.26 | Dustin | Got to go through the first dungeon and kill King Leoric |
| 14:24.31 | Obatztrara | sup :) |
| 14:24.43 | Dustin | Sup Obama |
| 14:24.53 | Obatztrara | :-P |
| 14:24.56 | Dustin | hehe |
| 14:25.05 | Obatztrara | just got back from vacation....hows the new pop system? |
| 14:25.14 | JManV|Work | pretty cool |
| 14:25.19 | JManV|Work | i like bookmarks the best |
| 14:25.23 | Obatztrara | about time! |
| 14:25.33 | Dustin | It still is a pain in the ass |
| 14:25.37 | Dustin | Bookmarks help though |
| 14:25.48 | Dustin | Fun Or Not is useless |
| 14:26.01 | Dustin | Just puts you in random popular maps |
| 14:26.06 | Obatztrara | =/ |
| 14:26.07 | depthsofchaos | bookmark limit is funny |
| 14:26.18 | Dustin | Leading to the Up And Coming to be a clone of hte popularty list |
| 14:26.27 | JManV|Work | i've gotten into a few games of low pop maps just because of bookmarks |
| 14:26.30 | Dustin | So the only decent features are Join search box and bookmarks |
| 14:26.31 | Obatztrara | well..its still a work in progress I guess...but it seems to be going in a good direction |
| 14:26.42 | depthsofchaos | like they cant store your bookmarks locally |
| 14:26.48 | depthsofchaos | they add in a limit |
| 14:26.52 | JManV|Work | it doesn't happen often, but having a bookmark lets me quickly check if anyone else is queueing |
| 14:26.54 | Dustin | As long as they keep fixing it and not sitting on their asses saying it's working as inteneded |
| 14:27.03 | Obatztrara | :) |
| 14:27.22 | *** join/#sc2mapster wOlfLinG (~wOlfLinG@cpc3-nrte21-2-0-cust330.8-4.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 14:27.35 | Obatztrara | hmm ...custom layout files are broken? and have to be added in data now? |
| 14:28.03 | wOlfLinG | Obatztrara: Yeah, but its basically the same thing |
| 14:28.07 | wOlfLinG | Just fixes bugs |
| 14:28.24 | Obatztrara | can someone point me to a thread that explains this? |
| 14:28.33 | Obatztrara | or is it veryx simple? |
| 14:30.59 | Dustin | Havent messed with it yet |
| 14:31.24 | Obatztrara | ok, it just crashed :D |
| 14:31.28 | Obatztrara | alright... |
| 14:31.30 | JademusSreg | I awaken. |
| 14:31.35 | Dustin | Mornin |
| 14:31.39 | A1win | Obatztrara, there's just a data entry where you specify the name for the layout file and have all your custom stuff in that |
| 14:31.40 | Obatztrara | sup Jade |
| 14:31.43 | JManV|Work | go back to sleep! |
| 14:31.59 | JademusSreg | No, I refuse! |
| 14:32.02 | Obatztrara | I have to add all the pathes to the data ayrray in the Game Ui data? |
| 14:32.07 | JManV|Work | j/k :) |
| 14:32.17 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 14:32.23 | JManV|Work | so i was thinking that the burrito could be fighting-type :P |
| 14:32.23 | A1win | mmh you add the paths in the layout file itself |
| 14:32.35 | Obatztrara | aw darn...ok |
| 14:32.37 | A1win | for each element |
| 14:32.49 | A1win | but I'm not an expert ;p |
| 14:32.54 | Obatztrara | ok, thanks |
| 14:32.57 | JademusSreg | Burrito type is super effective against Colon type. |
| 14:33.41 | JManV|Work | indeed it is |
| 14:34.14 | JManV|Work | i think it's actually a good thing with the layout files |
| 14:34.20 | JManV|Work | i've been meaning to make a thread |
| 14:34.40 | JManV|Work | with the paths in the files themselves, layout segments can be broken apart and used as templates |
| 14:34.52 | JManV|Work | so you can peice together a layout from several pre-made files |
| 14:35.08 | JManV|Work | allowing us to share layout files freely |
| 14:35.25 | Ashamed | guys i got my other one on the server :) |
| 14:35.28 | Ashamed | without remoting in |
| 14:35.30 | Ashamed | http://67.173.241.220:8080/Websites/banner.jpg |
| 14:35.36 | Ashamed | oh shiz thats my ip address |
| 14:35.37 | Ashamed | w/e |
| 14:35.59 | Dustin | Lol like anyone can do anything to you with it :P |
| 14:36.17 | JManV|Work | that looks good |
| 14:36.25 | JademusSreg | I can't guess your password! =D |
| 14:36.27 | Ashamed | thats for my website |
| 14:36.27 | Dustin | Comcast restrict your hosting on port 80 like Cox does? |
| 14:36.29 | JManV|Work | but i think the red needs more, like a gradient or something |
| 14:36.33 | Ashamed | for the starwars guild we are going to make |
| 14:36.46 | Ashamed | oh dustin that might be it |
| 14:36.48 | JManV|Work | a top-to-bottom gradient on the red would add some depth |
| 14:36.50 | Dustin | SWTOR! |
| 14:36.55 | Ashamed | because i know its against their licsense agreement for me to host |
| 14:36.59 | Dustin | Yeah |
| 14:37.02 | Obatztrara | fuck this will a be a lot of work... >,< |
| 14:37.07 | Dustin | I just always changed it to port 8080 so I could lol |
| 14:37.13 | Ashamed | oh mine is 8080 |
| 14:37.18 | Ashamed | thats what i am using |
| 14:37.24 | Dustin | Yeah I saw hehe |
| 14:37.26 | Ashamed | i didn't even try 80 lol |
| 14:37.33 | Dustin | Oh lol |
| 14:37.41 | JManV|Work | i use 80 for mine |
| 14:37.50 | Ashamed | but i am going to use a tab system with this |
| 14:38.00 | Ashamed | let me get the other picture of one of the tabs in |
| 14:38.03 | JManV|Work | and i use 8080 for my utorrent webui :P |
| 14:38.19 | Ashamed | is that so you can torrent from any compute? |
| 14:38.32 | JManV|Work | yeah, i can add a torrent to my home server from anywhere |
| 14:38.33 | Dustin | I just use teamviewer and connect to my home desktop to download torrents :P |
| 14:38.34 | Ashamed | I just set my utorrent up with an ftp.. and i just add torrent files into a certian ftp folder |
| 14:38.41 | Ashamed | yeah dustin temaviewer is what i use |
| 14:38.47 | Ashamed | but its not working for some reason right now |
| 14:38.48 | JManV|Work | so i can start downloading something from work without actually utorrenting at work |
| 14:38.49 | Ashamed | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 14:38.55 | Ashamed | jman i use ftp |
| 14:38.56 | Dustin | hehe yeah |
| 14:38.57 | Ashamed | to do that |
| 14:39.02 | Dustin | I got teamviewer on my phone to |
| 14:39.09 | Ashamed | because utorrent can be set to pull torrents froma folder |
| 14:39.13 | JManV|Work | ah, utorrent has an actually webui you can use |
| 14:39.13 | Ashamed | and i just upload the torrent files to that folder |
| 14:39.23 | Ashamed | but i dont need to use :) |
| 14:39.26 | JManV|Work | yeah, i use a file share within my house |
| 14:39.28 | Dustin | One time I teamviewed to my laptop then on the laptop through my phone I teamviewerd home, then from home I teamviewerd back to my phone |
| 14:39.31 | Dustin | Shit was intesnse |
| 14:39.33 | JManV|Work | because only one computer downloads |
| 14:39.38 | JManV|Work | so i dump files into a share |
| 14:39.41 | Ashamed | yeah i have done some shit like that before lol |
| 14:39.46 | JManV|Work | but remotely, i don't have an FTP set up |
| 14:39.59 | Ashamed | oh i can stream my home media with my ftp |
| 14:40.04 | Ashamed | i can watch my shit from work |
| 14:40.12 | JManV|Work | heh |
| 14:40.15 | Ashamed | so i can dl it |
| 14:40.18 | Ashamed | and then watch it too :) |
| 14:40.26 | Ashamed | i even managed to get my xbox to push the share from the FTP |
| 14:40.27 | JManV|Work | i don't have the ul bandwidth for something like that |
| 14:40.33 | JManV|Work | 1 Mb/s up :( |
| 14:40.37 | Ashamed | instead of my home network |
| 14:40.45 | Dustin | I got a 18meg down 7 meg up connection |
| 14:40.48 | Ashamed | and it showed the media on the xbox |
| 14:40.49 | Dustin | 28meg* |
| 14:40.56 | Ashamed | but it frozed :( |
| 14:41.09 | Ashamed | i have like 12 |
| 14:41.09 | JManV|Work | my isp maxes at 2 Mb/s up :( |
| 14:41.12 | Ashamed | lol |
| 14:41.14 | Ashamed | that sucks |
| 14:41.16 | JManV|Work | i'm gonna actually upgrade to that tho |
| 14:41.22 | Ashamed | i wanted to get dsl so i can be dedicated |
| 14:41.30 | JManV|Work | because i want to be able to stream and have ventrilo for map night |
| 14:41.30 | Dustin | Google 1gigabyte internet is getting put in up in Kansas City Kansas |
| 14:41.31 | Ashamed | but the only dsl that goes to my house is 3mb max |
| 14:41.41 | Dustin | And the company I work for just put an office up there |
| 14:41.45 | Dustin | Im going to make them get it |
| 14:41.52 | Dustin | And just torrent all my shti from there lol |
| 14:41.57 | Ashamed | lol |
| 14:42.03 | Ashamed | and then you wont get busted for copy right |
| 14:42.17 | JManV|Work | yeah, my job checks for torrent ports |
| 14:42.23 | Ashamed | mine too |
| 14:42.24 | Dustin | I run the IT sooo |
| 14:42.30 | Dustin | I can do whatever the fuck I want |
| 14:42.37 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 14:42.41 | Ashamed | i run the IT too but my company is far too big for me to control stuff like that |
| 14:42.43 | Ashamed | damn you IBM |
| 14:42.47 | Dustin | Rest of these peep barely know how to turn their comps on |
| 14:43.01 | JManV|Work | so you're the one they'll hold responsible when the company is sued? |
| 14:43.20 | Ashamed | dustin will be long gone |
| 14:43.22 | Ashamed | by that point |
| 14:43.27 | Dustin | I'll act oblivious and say it must have been a breah in Wifi security |
| 14:43.28 | JManV|Work | heh |
| 14:43.34 | Dustin | breach* |
| 14:43.37 | JManV|Work | heh |
| 14:43.46 | JManV|Work | that works better for home users :P |
| 14:44.02 | JManV|Work | "what's wifi security?" |
| 14:44.02 | Dustin | That and they cant trace it to me |
| 14:44.04 | Mexa|Afk | [16:41] <Dustin> And just torrent all my shti from there lol - Until they find out and fire you? |
| 14:44.14 | Dustin | We got hundreds of agents going in and out of the office |
| 14:44.25 | Dustin | Mexa, how are they gonna find out |
| 14:44.34 | Mexa|Afk | I don't know |
| 14:44.40 | JManV|Work | when they get a letter |
| 14:44.54 | Dustin | Proxy's my friend |
| 14:44.59 | Mexa|Afk | But eventually, they could |
| 14:45.06 | JademusSreg | It's comical; people barely blundering through the use of their computers reminds me of children playing pretend, who ape the behaviors of their roles. In this case, they are playing "I'm A Competent And Driven Business Person". |
| 14:45.16 | JManV|Work | yeah, i find it's better just to download from home |
| 14:45.26 | JManV|Work | so i set it up so i can initiate those downloads from work |
| 14:45.41 | Mexa|Afk | rc? |
| 14:45.45 | JManV|Work | besides, 15 Mp/s down is plenty fast enough for most torrents |
| 14:45.48 | Dustin | Maybe I can run my own fiberline from KansasCity to Wichita... |
| 14:45.55 | JManV|Work | utorrent webui |
| 14:46.01 | Ashamed | yeah talking about breach in wifi security |
| 14:46.11 | JManV|Work | i do have RDP tho, but that's for other things |
| 14:46.13 | Ashamed | did you guys here about the fbi dude and the kiddy porn? |
| 14:46.24 | Dustin | lol what |
| 14:46.27 | Mexa|Afk | nope what |
| 14:46.29 | Ashamed | yeah ok crazy story |
| 14:46.30 | Dustin | that's classic |
| 14:46.30 | JademusSreg | Hahaha |
| 14:46.34 | JademusSreg | HWAHT? |
| 14:46.58 | Mexa|Afk | Classic or true or whatever it is? |
| 14:47.17 | Ashamed | so this FBI guy ... his job was INTERNET SECURITY |
| 14:47.23 | depthsofchaos | google accessed his wifi ?:o |
| 14:47.25 | Ashamed | and they caught kiddy porn on his computer |
| 14:47.37 | Ashamed | and he said he didn't have his wifi encrypted |
| 14:47.42 | Ashamed | and they arrested this other dude for it |
| 14:47.48 | Ashamed | and said he went on his wifi |
| 14:47.51 | Ashamed | and dled it |
| 14:47.59 | depthsofchaos | :OO |
| 14:48.05 | Dustin | lol waht |
| 14:48.07 | Ashamed | yeah |
| 14:48.08 | Dustin | Liesss |
| 14:48.09 | Mexa|Afk | huh |
| 14:48.10 | Ashamed | exactly |
| 14:48.11 | JademusSreg | "Aherm, I was. uh, doing research on, uh" |
| 14:48.16 | Ashamed | thats a classic USA FBI coverup |
| 14:48.21 | Mexa|Afk | ._ |
| 14:48.25 | Ashamed | but its sad because this toehr dude is going to prision now |
| 14:48.28 | depthsofchaos | but did they not check his hdd |
| 14:48.46 | JManV|Work | did they at least fire the dude for not encrypting the wifi? |
| 14:48.50 | Ashamed | i dunno the entire story |
| 14:48.51 | Mexa|Afk | Maybe he also claimed the computer got hacked. |
| 14:48.54 | Ashamed | some friend of mine told me |
| 14:48.59 | depthsofchaos | xDD |
| 14:49.00 | Ashamed | from work |
| 14:49.04 | Ashamed | i am actually going to google it |
| 14:49.07 | Ashamed | to make sure its true |
| 14:49.29 | Mexa|Afk | A fraud attempt... ohohohoh... |
| 14:49.29 | depthsofchaos | i even restrict my wifi to my mac adress :o |
| 14:49.41 | Ashamed | http://denver.fbi.gov/dojpressrel/pressrel11/dn032411.htm |
| 14:49.43 | Ashamed | i think thats the story |
| 14:50.16 | Ashamed | mby not... |
| 14:50.22 | Mexa|Afk | I have a manual switch for accepting new connections to the network. People near me wont try to break that :> |
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| 14:50.49 | depthsofchaos | lol |
| 14:51.25 | JManV|Work | that seems legit |
| 14:51.40 | JManV|Work | that says FBI was downloading in an undercover capacity |
| 14:51.50 | JManV|Work | and traced the share back to the sharer |
| 14:52.00 | JademusSreg | Yeah. |
| 14:52.05 | JademusSreg | This is disappoint. |
| 14:52.08 | JManV|Work | also, previously convicted sex offender. no sympathy there. |
| 14:52.30 | depthsofchaos | i wonder who browses all those kiddy porn photos at the fbi |
| 14:52.55 | Ashamed | lol |
| 14:53.12 | depthsofchaos | and hes like giving scores |
| 14:53.29 | depthsofchaos | 8.9 possibility its under 14 |
| 14:53.29 | JManV|Work | that's got to be hard to do in a professional capacity |
| 14:53.30 | Ashamed | yeah i cnat find the exact story i dunno it could of been fabricated for sure... but still i wouldn't put it pass our goverment |
| 14:53.41 | JManV|Work | ...downlaod kiddie porn from file sharers. i bet they find some sick stuff |
| 14:53.52 | Ashamed | who would fireshare kiddy porn |
| 14:53.58 | JManV|Work | i don't know |
| 14:54.03 | Ashamed | file* |
| 14:54.03 | JManV|Work | that's just stupid |
| 14:54.06 | Ashamed | at least IRC it |
| 14:54.08 | depthsofchaos | then they have to show it at the court room |
| 14:54.12 | depthsofchaos | xD |
| 14:54.19 | JManV|Work | you can still get caught irc sharing |
| 14:54.24 | JManV|Work | especially with an irc bot |
| 14:54.27 | Ashamed | IRC is much safer though when breaking the law |
| 14:54.44 | Ashamed | or just g00gle it |
| 14:54.52 | JManV|Work | google kiddie porn? |
| 14:54.55 | Ashamed | Google Search : Child Porn |
| 14:54.56 | Ashamed | lol |
| 14:55.00 | Ashamed | i wonder if people try that |
| 14:55.08 | JManV|Work | that won't throw up any red flags or anything |
| 14:55.10 | JademusSreg | That is hilarious and stupid. |
| 14:55.13 | Ashamed | i wonder if they have someone monitoring that too |
| 14:55.19 | Ashamed | to make sure it cant link that shit |
| 14:55.19 | depthsofchaos | google replys: "please put your hands on your head and wait for an officer" |
| 14:55.24 | JManV|Work | certainly doesn't get you placed on a watch list or anything like that... |
| 14:55.29 | JademusSreg | Also, gross. |
| 14:55.39 | Ashamed | lol |
| 14:56.02 | depthsofchaos | google even blocks torrent sites |
| 14:56.08 | depthsofchaos | from search results |
| 14:56.13 | Mexa|Afk | Not from what I have seen |
| 14:56.26 | JManV|Work | not all |
| 14:56.28 | depthsofchaos | well not all but a lot |
| 14:56.41 | Mexa|Afk | the popular ones are still there |
| 14:56.43 | depthsofchaos | hiding the piratebay would be too obvious :p |
| 14:56.54 | JManV|Work | anyways, i'm more comfortable with there being no truly safe ways to distribute kiddie porn |
| 14:57.09 | Mexa|Afk | the piratebay is dead though |
| 14:57.11 | Ekals | I think that's the point, JMan. |
| 14:57.17 | JManV|Work | shit's just wrong |
| 14:57.21 | Mexa|Afk | It have torrents, but the trackers are gone anyway |
| 14:57.31 | JManV|Work | and the ppl who create it are the worst |
| 14:57.47 | Ekals | You can run outside and murder someone with a gun and be off scott-free; but if you questionable photography of a child -- you're serving life. |
| 14:57.55 | depthsofchaos | pirate bay uses new method no? |
| 14:57.55 | JManV|Work | i couldn't imagine hurting (permanently damaging) a child like that |
| 14:58.10 | Mexa|Afk | we're still eagerly await here in sweden, what will and if it will happend something to piratebay |
| 14:58.23 | Mexa|Afk | lol. |
| 14:58.36 | JManV|Work | i mean, photographing a naked child is one thing. exposing a child to sexual situations is another thing entirely |
| 14:58.48 | Mexa|Afk | New methods? No, their trackers are gone |
| 14:58.52 | JademusSreg | Wakka wakka |
| 14:59.21 | JManV|Work | also, the distribution of naked child photography can have long-lasting effects on the well-being of the child as they grow up |
| 14:59.29 | Mexa|Afk | Piratebay still exists as a distributable torrent site, nothing more. |
| 15:00.10 | Ekals | Once we close down The Pirate Bay, sweden will fire 40 nukes into the US. |
| 15:00.21 | Ekals | Nukes filled with swedish fish |
| 15:00.24 | Mexa|Afk | haha |
| 15:00.28 | Ekals | so all we'll have is that awful red candy |
| 15:00.44 | JManV|Work | that red candy will be your doom! MUAAHAHAHAHAHHA! |
| 15:01.13 | JManV|Work | i lost part of a tooth to swedish fish once |
| 15:01.24 | JManV|Work | i thought they had done all the damage they could |
| 15:01.28 | JManV|Work | but i was wrong! |
| 15:01.38 | Mexa|Afk | haha really? |
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| 15:01.55 | JManV|Work | yeah. haven't had a swedish fish since |
| 15:01.59 | Ravonus | stupid firefox was going slow as shit |
| 15:02.04 | Ravonus | i couldn't even type |
| 15:02.31 | Mexa|Afk | Speaking of nothing... I love how the last wall of the playstation 3 security was the random seed function |
| 15:02.41 | Mexa|Afk | Which is.. always returning 4 |
| 15:02.56 | Ravonus | since WHEN JMANV |
| 15:03.03 | Ravonus | i want to know the last time you have had a swdish fish |
| 15:03.05 | Mexa|Afk | http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/29/hackers-obtain-ps3-private-cryptography-key-due-to-epic-programm/ |
| 15:03.23 | JManV|Work | 6 years ago? |
| 15:03.46 | JManV|Work | i was having problems with the tooth anyways. it's since been pulled. |
| 15:04.10 | JManV|Work | it wasn't really the fish's fault. it just happened to be sticky candy that was there at the right time |
| 15:04.21 | Ravonus | ok |
| 15:04.24 | Ravonus | i am going to take a break |
| 15:04.29 | Ravonus | time to go walk around IBM ya! |
| 15:04.39 | Mexa|Afk | seeya |
| 15:05.06 | JManV|Work | hmmm |
| 15:05.12 | Ravonus | well jman i once ate an entire bag of tootsie rolls |
| 15:05.14 | Ravonus | and got really sick |
| 15:05.19 | Ravonus | and now i cant look at them |
| 15:05.22 | Ravonus | without feeling sick |
| 15:05.29 | JManV|Work | i know how that goes |
| 15:05.39 | Mexa|Afk | JManV, http://candyfromsweden.com/ nomnom? |
| 15:06.02 | JManV|Work | as a child, my sister got food sick of a tyson chicken dinner. to this day, i'm pretty sure she still can't/won't eat a tyson chicken dinner. |
| 15:06.42 | JManV|Work | that looks good actually |
| 15:06.51 | JManV|Work | but the licorice needs to be dutch, not swedish |
| 15:07.00 | JManV|Work | dutch licorice ftw! |
| 15:07.02 | Ravonus | yeah i was just saying that too |
| 15:07.02 | Mexa|Afk | :P oh |
| 15:07.04 | Ravonus | i was like this look sgood |
| 15:07.29 | Ravonus | ok brb break time |
| 15:07.41 | JManV|Work | what looks good are those raspberries |
| 15:08.19 | JManV|Work | what's with the denture candies? |
| 15:08.28 | Mexa|Afk | the teeth? |
| 15:08.32 | JManV|Work | "this is what you have to look forward to" ? |
| 15:08.46 | Mexa|Afk | no idea:P |
| 15:09.04 | JManV|Work | those candies are like a cautionary tale :P |
| 15:09.31 | Mexa|Afk | Still yummy though |
| 15:09.54 | JManV|Work | also, there's something weird about eating teeth. |
| 15:10.03 | JManV|Work | call me crazy... |
| 15:10.25 | JManV|Work | that's like running across a field of legs. |
| 15:10.48 | Mexa|Afk | haha |
| 15:11.01 | JademusSreg | Surreal. |
| 15:11.10 | JManV|Work | that is kind of |
| 15:11.19 | JManV|Work | it would make a really weird painting |
| 15:11.21 | Mexa|Afk | It's loose candy, you pick everything you desire and put it in a pouch |
| 15:11.39 | JManV|Work | it made me crave dutch licorice :P |
| 15:11.45 | Mexa|Afk | So no one will force you to ever take those grandma's teeth |
| 15:11.49 | JManV|Work | and also those raspberry hard candies |
| 15:12.34 | Mexa|Afk | m |
| 15:12.52 | Mexa|Afk | I need to go to the store |
| 15:13.02 | Mexa|Afk | To buy candy to be honest, lol |
| 15:13.05 | JManV|Work | if i were to order, i'd prolly just order a giant bag of those raspberries |
| 15:13.15 | JManV|Work | yeah, i've been having hard candy cravings lately |
| 15:13.30 | Mexa|Afk | oh |
| 15:13.33 | Mexa|Afk | :P |
| 15:13.41 | JManV|Work | also, i miss Sunkist Fruit Gems, and can't find them anywhere |
| 15:14.34 | JManV|Work | i could order some online, but i can't find any in stores anywhere |
| 15:14.44 | JManV|Work | those things are awesome |
| 15:14.46 | Mexa|Afk | in us? |
| 15:14.52 | JManV|Work | yeah |
| 15:15.09 | Mexa|Afk | never seem much of foreign candy actually |
| 15:15.19 | Mexa|Afk | Never been to us either so, meh:p |
| 15:15.21 | JManV|Work | where are you from? |
| 15:15.28 | Mexa|Afk | Well, Sweden |
| 15:15.31 | JManV|Work | ah :P |
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| 15:15.47 | JManV|Work | have you had dutch licorice? |
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| 15:16.00 | Mexa|Afk | Maybe a while ago |
| 15:16.04 | Mexa|Afk | But not recently I think |
| 15:16.08 | JManV|Work | its an acquired taste |
| 15:16.17 | JManV|Work | they make very strong licorice |
| 15:16.19 | Mexa|Afk | Yeah, they look familiar. |
| 15:16.29 | JManV|Work | but my family is very very dutch, so i grew up on the stuff |
| 15:16.43 | Mexa|Afk | oh I see. |
| 15:17.07 | JManV|Work | my dad was born in the netherlands and moved here when he was 6. |
| 15:17.27 | Mexa|Afk | Well, gonna go to a some sort of dev lan in a moment, so I am passing the store on the way for some candy. But yeah have to go. |
| 15:17.33 | JManV|Work | so we at a lot of over-steamed vegetables growing up :P |
| 15:17.42 | Mexa|Afk | ah;) |
| 15:17.51 | Mexa|Afk | Talk to you guys later |
| 15:17.54 | JManV|Work | later man |
| 15:17.58 | Mexa|Afk | Seeya |
| 15:18.06 | JManV|Work | get me some raspberries :P |
| 15:19.47 | Nash|327 | KITTUNS |
| 15:20.56 | JManV|Work | ATTACK! |
| 15:21.18 | Nash|327 | ARMY OF KITTUNS |
| 15:22.14 | JManV|Work | sounds deadly cute |
| 15:22.52 | Nash|327 | Indeed. |
| 15:23.33 | Nash|327 | KITTUN TREBUCHETS |
| 15:23.55 | Nash|327 | Death from above! |
| 15:24.38 | JManV|Work | hehe |
| 15:24.46 | JManV|Work | it's raining cats and more cats |
| 15:25.13 | Nash|327 | I want a gun that shoots kittuns |
| 15:25.51 | Nash|327 | pew pew pew |
| 15:25.54 | Dustin | What about a kittun crossbow? |
| 15:26.19 | Nash|327 | You'd have to get the kittun to stand on a bolt. |
| 15:26.35 | JManV|Work | kitten cannon? |
| 15:26.44 | JManV|Work | kitten gatling gun? |
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| 15:27.08 | JManV|Work | they need to still be alive post-firing though, so they can still claw faces |
| 15:27.15 | Nash|327 | Indeed. |
| 15:27.35 | Nash|327 | Perhaps a grenade launcher, with a shell containing a kittun. |
| 15:27.43 | JManV|Work | theres few things more painful than a kitten clawing your face |
| 15:27.56 | Nash|327 | The shell drops off in the air and the kittun flies on to your target. |
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| 15:31.57 | Nash|327 | Also, there should be a body suit of some sort. |
| 15:32.08 | Nash|327 | One that kittuns can hang on to. |
| 15:32.21 | Nash|327 | You can be covered in kittuns. |
| 15:33.46 | Nash|327 | Would be the best superhero ever. |
| 15:34.21 | JManV|Work | lazer cats! |
| 15:34.49 | Nash|327 | Kittuns don't need lasers! |
| 15:34.53 | Nash|327 | They have claws. |
| 15:36.48 | JManV|Work | it's an old Saturday NIght Live skit. it's pretty funny |
| 15:36.58 | Nash|327 | I have seen it. |
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| 15:38.01 | Nash|327 | Kittuns of mass destruction, that's the way to go. |
| 15:39.42 | Ekals | How do you change the Token of an actor without ruining all of those fields? |
| 15:40.14 | *** part/#sc2mapster LordAbyss (~Christoph@150.135.210.66) |
| 15:41.22 | JademusSreg | Wha? |
| 15:41.25 | JManV|Work | you can't really |
| 15:41.28 | JademusSreg | Ruining? |
| 15:41.34 | JManV|Work | it will change all those fields when you change the token |
| 15:41.35 | Ravonus | woot |
| 15:41.39 | JademusSreg | Well, yeah. |
| 15:41.42 | Ravonus | pgp didnt crash the 2 computers i put it on last night! |
| 15:41.46 | JManV|Work | its obnoxious |
| 15:41.56 | Ekals | So I'm basically fucked. |
| 15:42.11 | JademusSreg | It's supposed to, because that is what it's for, to define the implicit linking of objects and vlaues. |
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| 15:43.40 | tordy | hello |
| 15:43.44 | tordy | did i miss anything |
| 15:43.44 | tordy | again |
| 15:43.46 | Nash|327 | unhello |
| 15:43.48 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
| 15:43.50 | tordy | :[ |
| 15:43.53 | Ekals | There really has to be an option to work around that |
| 15:44.07 | tordy | im always behind in sc2 news and anythin mapping related |
| 15:44.21 | tordy | any big gigs |
| 15:44.52 | Nash|327 | Spam refresh on SC2 website of choice. |
| 15:45.13 | Nash|327 | F5 is your friend! |
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| 15:47.20 | tordy | i dont need to do that silly! |
| 15:50.25 | Ekals | The way they decided to set up actors makes me want to scalp-out my eyeballs with a spoon, blend them in a food processor, then drink them. |
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| 15:50.49 | tordy | is there a way to tint one side of a model |
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| 15:51.25 | depthsofchaos | nouuu |
| 15:51.31 | depthsofchaos | why would you want that |
| 15:51.34 | depthsofchaos | is it a cube? |
| 15:51.37 | tordy | yes |
| 15:51.43 | depthsofchaos | attach another cube to it |
| 15:51.45 | depthsofchaos | flattened |
| 15:51.48 | depthsofchaos | and tint that |
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| 15:51.54 | tordy | i see were you're goin |
| 15:52.08 | tordy | that's what i thought about but didnt htink about flattening it |
| 15:53.58 | tordy | FULL HIT |
| 15:57.27 | Obatztrara | kinda starting to like the layout override files... |
| 15:57.34 | Obatztrara | it works fine so far :) |
| 15:58.32 | tordy | is there a way to show more than 15 commands on a single command card page |
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| 15:59.04 | depthsofchaos | nou do you rly need al the same time? |
| 15:59.04 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
| 15:59.08 | Obatztrara | unlinkely |
| 15:59.12 | Obatztrara | unlikely* |
| 15:59.21 | tordy | yea |
| 15:59.25 | tordy | unless |
| 15:59.26 | JademusSreg | Can't imagine why you would need so many on a single card. |
| 15:59.29 | depthsofchaos | what kind of commands |
| 15:59.58 | tordy | unless there's a way for subcommandcard pages to not go back to the main page after using some command |
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| 16:00.08 | depthsofchaos | there is |
| 16:00.11 | tordy | oh |
| 16:00.11 | depthsofchaos | tick sticky |
| 16:00.17 | tordy | what sticky |
| 16:00.25 | depthsofchaos | on the command button |
| 16:00.31 | depthsofchaos | that goes to page |
| 16:00.42 | tordy | oh is that new? |
| 16:00.45 | JManV|Work | we need inline functions |
| 16:00.49 | depthsofchaos | i think yes |
| 16:02.57 | depthsofchaos | anyone got an idea how to rid of these anoying warning |
| 16:03.03 | depthsofchaos | messages after new patch |
| 16:03.11 | depthsofchaos | for movers mostly |
| 16:03.13 | JademusSreg | Warnings? |
| 16:03.20 | depthsofchaos | yes sec |
| 16:03.41 | depthsofchaos | Unable to find field AttachReacquireDeflection Source: Untitled Mod Entry: Battleshipweapon Scope: CMoverMissile.SMotionPhase Field: MotionPhases[2] |
| 16:03.53 | JManV|Work | how awesome would inline functions be? |
| 16:04.19 | JademusSreg | Editor or trigger error? |
| 16:04.21 | depthsofchaos | this is basically for all of my custom movers |
| 16:04.30 | depthsofchaos | data editor warnings |
| 16:04.41 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 16:04.44 | Nash|327 | tordy: If you need so many commands on command card you should reconsider your interface D: |
| 16:04.53 | JademusSreg | I don't encounter those errors. |
| 16:04.56 | tordy | nah it's for a puzzle solving map |
| 16:05.06 | tordy | i want to use as many hotkeys available at once |
| 16:05.16 | depthsofchaos | you got custom movers? |
| 16:05.29 | JademusSreg | Yes, I've been tinkering with them lately. |
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| 16:05.41 | Nash|327 | So you use hotkeys and not buttons? |
| 16:05.50 | tordy | yea |
| 16:06.02 | tordy | well player could use buttons too |
| 16:06.11 | tordy | for newbie friendliness |
| 16:06.14 | depthsofchaos | well this still works but i never had warnings before the patch |
| 16:06.25 | tordy | so player can seee what the butons do |
| 16:06.33 | tordy | hover over for tooltip etc |
| 16:06.45 | Nash|327 | That might work then. |
| 16:07.09 | Nash|327 | I don't like when games have so many damn buttons :/ |
| 16:07.15 | Nash|327 | WoW was the worst. |
| 16:07.21 | tordy | well ye |
| 16:07.22 | JademusSreg | Editor is buggy. As long as it still works, no worries. |
| 16:07.39 | tordy | if it's for a command card on a unit, then too many buttons might not be a good idea |
| 16:07.51 | tordy | unit in a rts genre type map |
| 16:07.55 | depthsofchaos | ah okay thx |
| 16:07.56 | Obatztrara | afaik those new warnings arent new bugs, they are just messages for bugs that existed before... |
| 16:07.58 | Nash|327 | But even Dragon Age, NWN and such have the Excessive Button Syndrome. |
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| 16:08.15 | depthsofchaos | i had 30 buttons on my netstrom map :o |
| 16:08.15 | tordy | people like their shortcuts D: |
| 16:08.21 | depthsofchaos | 4 rotations for each bridge |
| 16:08.40 | tordy | although it's still ideal if i can get more than 15 buttons on a single page |
| 16:08.57 | Nash|327 | Even with hotkeys it doesn't get managable, unless there's some inherent logic to the button mapping. |
| 16:08.57 | tordy | so the player doesn't have to move to anotehr page another set of commands |
| 16:09.08 | tordy | well my mapping is gonna be grid-like |
| 16:09.15 | tordy | so qwert is first row |
| 16:09.19 | tordy | asdfg for 2nd |
| 16:09.20 | tordy | etc |
| 16:09.40 | Nash|327 | Unless people aren't using QWERTY... |
| 16:10.09 | JademusSreg | Good to know, OBZ. |
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| 16:10.39 | JademusSreg | Actually, OBZ, while being a faintly amusing Wu Tang reference, is less than accurate. |
| 16:10.47 | JademusSreg | Still, better than "Obat". |
| 16:11.23 | JademusSreg | Unless you're a big pokemon fan. |
| 16:11.29 | tordy | pokemooooon |
| 16:11.39 | JManV|Work | who isn't? |
| 16:11.40 | JademusSreg | In which case, an Obat might be quite formidable. |
| 16:11.52 | Nash|327 | I don't know why many RPGs insist on having so fucking many abilities D: |
| 16:11.52 | tordy | JManV|Work: is a big pokemn fan! |
| 16:12.04 | JManV|Work | i know we're all gaming geeks, but i've found that love for pokemon is almost ubiquitous for sc2 players |
| 16:12.13 | tordy | Nash|327: is mad |
| 16:12.20 | Nash|327 | I have never played Pokemon. |
| 16:12.24 | JManV|Work | day9 regularly makes references to pokemon |
| 16:12.36 | Nash|327 | I am not 12 years old, though. |
| 16:12.46 | JManV|Work | i need to someonehow get him to promote my map when it's finished :P |
| 16:12.54 | JManV|Work | someonehow? |
| 16:13.13 | JManV|Work | that typo was so bad, i added another word inside of a word |
| 16:13.24 | Nash|327 | We have to go deeper! |
| 16:13.32 | Nash|327 | A WORD INSIDE A WORD |
| 16:13.42 | JademusSreg | I like it. |
| 16:13.47 | JademusSreg | "someonehow" |
| 16:14.16 | Nash|327 | somehow get someone to do something |
| 16:14.27 | Nash|327 | someonehow! |
| 16:14.53 | Nash|327 | You need to someonehow promote your map. |
| 16:16.08 | JManV|Work | at any matter, i bet if he liked it, he would promote it |
| 16:16.28 | Nash|327 | Promote it to Sergeant! |
| 16:16.29 | JManV|Work | he seems like the kind of guy |
| 16:16.52 | depthsofchaos | or cry to blizz for feature :p |
| 16:17.15 | JManV|Work | well, i won't be crying, but i will ask |
| 16:17.16 | depthsofchaos | tho i wonder if they feature copyrighted stuff |
| 16:17.21 | JManV|Work | i need to focus on finishing it first tho :P |
| 16:17.42 | depthsofchaos | well you need have someone cry for you and spam their boards :p |
| 16:17.44 | JManV|Work | there will be no copyright material in my map |
| 16:18.03 | depthsofchaos | ah |
| 16:18.25 | Nash|327 | Why would you want that in your map anyway? |
| 16:18.28 | Nash|327 | D_D |
| 16:18.50 | depthsofchaos | cause it saves time :o |
| 16:18.53 | JManV|Work | well, considering that we agree not to publish copyright matieral, i don't |
| 16:19.07 | JManV|Work | part of what you agree to when you publish |
| 16:19.16 | JManV|Work | nobody seems to read that tho |
| 16:19.16 | depthsofchaos | i cant judge my actions, i cant determine if its copyrighted :p |
| 16:19.18 | Nash|327 | You could save time by not making content. |
| 16:19.19 | Obatztrara | depthsofchaos you mentioned making submenu buttons sticky before...I fail to find it ... where can I set that? =/ |
| 16:19.29 | Nash|327 | Especially by not making maps at all. |
| 16:19.37 | depthsofchaos | its in the command card |
| 16:19.42 | Nash|327 | If you don't want to make stuff anyway. |
| 16:19.47 | Obatztrara | of the unit? |
| 16:19.49 | depthsofchaos | you add a submenu button |
| 16:19.52 | depthsofchaos | yep |
| 16:19.55 | Obatztrara | darn |
| 16:19.57 | Obatztrara | ok |
| 16:20.17 | JManV|Work | sticky like it does go back to the main menu when you use a command? |
| 16:20.21 | JManV|Work | doesn't |
| 16:20.29 | depthsofchaos | i want to make content but i got no time for nitpicking |
| 16:20.33 | Obatztrara | got it |
| 16:20.36 | depthsofchaos | like making music and models |
| 16:20.46 | depthsofchaos | yes |
| 16:21.31 | Nash|327 | Music, eh, there's music in the game, or WinAmp :G |
| 16:22.24 | depthsofchaos | sc2 music isnt too variant |
| 16:23.24 | Nash|327 | I just stuck to making something with existing resources. |
| 16:23.46 | depthsofchaos | me too :P |
| 16:23.53 | depthsofchaos | it exists so i use it |
| 16:24.18 | Nash|327 | I just did the implementation and wrote some dialog. |
| 16:25.41 | Nash|327 | If you're going to make something really advanced that isn't at all like SC2, why make it in an SC2 map? |
| 16:25.50 | Nash|327 | You can make your own game. |
| 16:26.18 | depthsofchaos | thats even more time |
| 16:26.24 | depthsofchaos | and you cant reach any audience |
| 16:26.49 | Nash|327 | Audience, meh. |
| 16:28.01 | JademusSreg | Make what you enjoy, fuck everything else, and do it excellently, don't half-ass it. |
| 16:28.44 | JManV|Work | i use sc2 because of all the preexisting resources |
| 16:28.49 | JManV|Work | like models |
| 16:28.56 | depthsofchaos | well i like making maps but still its a payoff to see others enjoy it |
| 16:29.22 | JManV|Work | absolutely. i want to be able to play my map /with/ other players |
| 16:29.25 | depthsofchaos | why not give your map a chance, thats what sc22 is good for |
| 16:29.53 | Nash|327 | Yeah, but making maps is still kind of like writing fanfics when you can write your own books instead. |
| 16:30.19 | Nash|327 | You'll never have something that's purely yours, creatively and copyright-wise. |
| 16:30.46 | JManV|Work | meh |
| 16:31.00 | JManV|Work | that parts not really that important to me |
| 16:31.09 | JManV|Work | i'm not trying to make money or anything |
| 16:31.42 | JManV|Work | even if they do launch marketplace, i will never charge for my map |
| 16:31.59 | Nash|327 | It's not about money, it's about having control over your own creation. :G |
| 16:32.17 | JManV|Work | but those extra resources facilitate me making a full-fledged game as a single developer |
| 16:32.31 | JManV|Work | otherwise it would be nearly impossible |
| 16:33.40 | Nash|327 | Well, it's a trade-off. I just don't get why people make such huge projects turning one game into another. |
| 16:34.02 | JManV|Work | cuz we can? |
| 16:34.07 | depthsofchaos | cause it saves time and effort |
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| 16:34.23 | depthsofchaos | you dont need a new engine or community base |
| 16:34.26 | JManV|Work | frankly, my project got a little carried away |
| 16:34.31 | JManV|Work | i'm the first to admit that |
| 16:35.04 | JManV|Work | i never intended for my map to have the scale that it does now |
| 16:35.22 | depthsofchaos | opposite for me :p |
| 16:35.28 | JManV|Work | but when i finish, i'll be glad |
| 16:35.37 | depthsofchaos | i had high hopes but the editor limited me :p |
| 16:35.43 | JManV|Work | and already i'm starting to see how much potential my map has |
| 16:36.24 | JManV|Work | although i normally call it a game, because that's what it is |
| 16:36.41 | Nash|327 | Just doesn't seem worth it if you don't use the resources and an engine that's not suited for the task. |
| 16:36.45 | JManV|Work | very few elements of sc2 gameplay will be preserved |
| 16:37.05 | JManV|Work | the engine is pretty well suited for what i'm doing |
| 16:37.17 | Nash|327 | Fair enough. |
| 16:37.21 | depthsofchaos | nash i still made my netstorm remake in less than a month, right now theres a netstorm rmeake from ground up |
| 16:37.29 | depthsofchaos | its been going for more than a year |
| 16:37.43 | JManV|Work | and thus far, it's been about 3 months of my free time... which isn't a lot of time really |
| 16:38.19 | JManV|Work | maybe 200 hours... |
| 16:39.06 | Nash|327 | Making something like an FPS that doesn't even use SC graphics would be silly. |
| 16:39.23 | Nash|327 | D; |
| 16:39.41 | depthsofchaos | nash do you know the demoscene?:o |
| 16:39.55 | Nash|327 | The what? |
| 16:40.14 | depthsofchaos | they basically make incredible videos from 56kb space |
| 16:40.16 | depthsofchaos | etc |
| 16:40.26 | depthsofchaos | they use the environment to its fullest |
| 16:40.30 | JManV|Work | yeah, straying too far from the engine is foolish |
| 16:40.37 | JManV|Work | no doubt about that |
| 16:41.22 | Nash|327 | Indeed, at some point you might as well just make your own game. |
| 16:41.28 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 16:42.06 | JManV|Work | my game, on the other hand, will intentionally use a high percentage of the available models |
| 16:42.33 | JademusSreg | Yes, it's kind of neat that people manage to make FPS or 3PS whatever, but it is impractical and it cannot compare to making such games within an engine suited for ity. |
| 16:43.19 | depthsofchaos | yes but currently not many fps games are popular |
| 16:43.21 | Nash|327 | Reminds me of the SC1 map that was Tetris... |
| 16:43.24 | depthsofchaos | that are moddable |
| 16:43.43 | depthsofchaos | source engine maybe |
| 16:43.52 | Nash|327 | Actually bothering to make Tetris using SC1 triggers... The horror. |
| 16:44.10 | depthsofchaos | tetris was like the 1st custom map out there |
| 16:44.45 | depthsofchaos | ah sc1 :o |
| 16:45.02 | JManV|Work | hmm... what do i want for lunch? |
| 16:45.08 | Nash|327 | Yes, SC1. Triggering was horrid. :/ |
| 16:45.15 | Nash|327 | No variables. |
| 16:45.59 | depthsofchaos | :O thats terrible how did you store data? |
| 16:46.08 | Nash|327 | You didn't. |
| 16:46.14 | Nash|327 | Well, you could use booleans. |
| 16:46.17 | Nash|327 | Switches. |
| 16:46.41 | JManV|Work | oh dear god |
| 16:46.42 | Nash|327 | But basically you just used Events and Actions. |
| 16:46.58 | Nash|327 | If player 1 brings any unit to location 1 |
| 16:47.00 | Nash|327 | do this |
| 16:47.25 | depthsofchaos | heh im glad i didnt map for sc1 then :p |
| 16:47.32 | JManV|Work | stop. you're scaring the children! |
| 16:47.35 | Nash|327 | And you couldn't reference the event triggering stuff in any way. |
| 16:47.43 | Nash|327 | Like Triggering Unit or such. |
| 16:47.57 | JManV|Work | now you're just hurting my brain |
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| 16:48.41 | Nash|327 | If you wanted to give players 1 mineral per second for each Command Center they had, you would have to make a separate trigger for each number of CC. |
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| 16:49.02 | Nash|327 | If player commands 1 CC add 1 mineral, wait 1 sec, preserve trigger |
| 16:49.15 | Nash|327 | If player commands 2 CC, add 2 mineral, etc |
| 16:49.26 | depthsofchaos | scary |
| 16:49.29 | Nash|327 | Yes. |
| 16:49.32 | depthsofchaos | is there like an ultimate map |
| 16:49.38 | depthsofchaos | that was rly pro? |
| 16:49.42 | JManV|Work | say it ain't so! say it ain't so! |
| 16:50.08 | Nash|327 | I didn't play all that many maps. |
| 16:50.32 | Nash|327 | But most maps were MADNESS (spawn the same unit over and over and send them to attack) |
| 16:50.38 | Nash|327 | or BGH |
| 16:50.53 | JManV|Work | the only time i ever edited a map in sc1 was to make infinite minerals |
| 16:51.03 | Nash|327 | $$$$$$$$BGH$$$$$$$$ |
| 16:51.08 | JManV|Work | i may have messed with terrain a little, but that was a long time ago |
| 16:51.10 | depthsofchaos | hmm i come back to the editor and all my objects are currently named |
| 16:51.18 | depthsofchaos | i did it without realizing i did it xD |
| 16:51.29 | depthsofchaos | correctly* |
| 16:51.44 | JademusSreg | Fucking BGH. |
| 16:52.30 | Nash|327 | I still have my SC1 maps. |
| 16:52.51 | JademusSreg | Mass games, no clutter, BGH, and ip wank maps; that's a summary of every SC1 map. |
| 16:53.53 | Nash|327 | I made a map where you have to use every unit in the game, one at a time, but in the order you choose. |
| 16:53.59 | JManV|Work | well with the limited programming capacity, is that a suprise? |
| 16:54.02 | Nash|327 | And fight in an arena against others. |
| 16:54.13 | Nash|327 | I made an RPG too. |
| 16:54.28 | Nash|327 | And uh, a hard survival map. |
| 16:54.51 | Nash|327 | And a map that gave you resources based on how many CC you had D_D |
| 16:55.03 | Nash|327 | But I stopped at 10, IIRC |
| 16:55.45 | Nash|327 | And you get one SCV that's really powerful, like TA. |
| 16:57.34 | Nash|327 | Then there was one sort of Red Alert themed where everyone is Terran but different sides have access to different units. |
| 16:58.12 | Nash|327 | Soviets got the tanks and stuff, Allied had Medic, Ghost and whatnot. |
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| 16:58.56 | JManV|Work | and the graphics were just wonderful |
| 16:59.01 | JManV|Work | 640x480, correct? |
| 16:59.07 | Nash|327 | Indeed. |
| 16:59.10 | Nash|327 | Sprites ftw |
| 16:59.23 | JManV|Work | 256 color too, iirc |
| 16:59.32 | JManV|Work | even diablo was 256 color tho |
| 16:59.52 | JManV|Work | but that game pulled it off a little better |
| 17:00.17 | Nash|327 | Well, it stuck to various shades of gray and red. |
| 17:00.18 | Nash|327 | :P |
| 17:01.13 | Nash|327 | I can't play Diablo anymore. |
| 17:01.17 | Nash|327 | It's SO SLOW |
| 17:01.44 | JManV|Work | diablo 2 is still pretty fun |
| 17:01.55 | Nash|327 | Diablo 2 is fine, yes. |
| 17:01.59 | JManV|Work | diablo... that's a different story |
| 17:02.08 | JManV|Work | yeah, i meant diablo 2 all along |
| 17:02.14 | JManV|Work | both were 256 color tho |
| 17:02.31 | Nash|327 | Diablo 2 has the cool surreal area. |
| 17:02.36 | JManV|Work | but some pretty clever workaround existed back in diablo 2 time |
| 17:02.44 | Nash|327 | The Arcane Sanctum? |
| 17:03.03 | JManV|Work | can't wait for diable 3 |
| 17:03.17 | Nash|327 | Arcane Sanctuary |
| 17:03.53 | JManV|Work | my netbook was actually capable of running diablo 2, so i got back into it for a short while about a year ago |
| 17:04.05 | Nash|327 | I had a level 99 Barbarian. |
| 17:04.16 | JManV|Work | it was fairly short-lived tho, because i played the shit out of D2 originally |
| 17:04.38 | JManV|Work | i still remember duping stat-boosting positions in D1 |
| 17:04.54 | JManV|Work | and money |
| 17:04.57 | JManV|Work | and spell books |
| 17:05.10 | Nash|327 | Plate of the Whale and stuff. |
| 17:05.26 | JManV|Work | and using trainers on D2 |
| 17:05.42 | JManV|Work | stupid people going online with invincible characters and PKing in town |
| 17:05.47 | JManV|Work | ruined online play |
| 17:05.50 | Nash|327 | I played on B.net legit to 99. |
| 17:06.14 | JademusSreg | Diablo 2 is good for a few play through, maybe as different classes, but after a certain point, grinding for gear becomes pathological. |
| 17:06.19 | JManV|Work | we played a lot of LAN diablo 2 |
| 17:06.19 | Nash|327 | But my most recent playthrough I used a mod to let you craft uniques in the cube and stuck to SP. |
| 17:06.37 | JademusSreg | Replace Diablo 2 with any MMORPG, if you like. |
| 17:06.51 | JManV|Work | gear AND abilities |
| 17:07.00 | JManV|Work | and diablo 2 has some really cool gear |
| 17:07.11 | Nash|327 | Guild Wars you just grinded for unlocks :P |
| 17:07.21 | JManV|Work | plus, the gear would level up significantly for the second and third playthorugh |
| 17:07.37 | JManV|Work | but yeah, it's totally pathological |
| 17:07.49 | JManV|Work | but i'm a total whore for that kind of stuff |
| 17:08.00 | Nash|327 | I'm not. |
| 17:08.00 | JManV|Work | i can't resist |
| 17:08.18 | JManV|Work | the urge to level up and get more stuff is unstoppable |
| 17:08.46 | Nash|327 | Though I have to do it anyway. |
| 17:08.54 | Nash|327 | Compulsive power gaming. |
| 17:08.55 | JManV|Work | anyways, must foodz |
| 17:09.24 | Nash|327 | I prefer games where you don't need to grind for stuff. |
| 17:10.05 | JManV|Work | don't play death haven then :P |
| 17:10.16 | Nash|327 | If there's nothing to grind for I don't have to grind. |
| 17:10.31 | depthsofchaos | or just hack the bank like i did :p |
| 17:10.43 | depthsofchaos | you always have to grind :p |
| 17:10.48 | depthsofchaos | in sc2 its melee games |
| 17:11.03 | Nash|327 | Why would you have to grind melee games? |
| 17:11.21 | depthsofchaos | to get up on the ladder and to stay there |
| 17:11.24 | Nash|327 | I have played ZERO melee games. |
| 17:11.36 | depthsofchaos | i played 7 |
| 17:11.41 | depthsofchaos | i am unbeaten so far |
| 17:11.48 | Nash|327 | I am too! |
| 17:11.52 | lefix | i have played a few hundred, but I'm still in 1v1 bronze and don't mind :P |
| 17:11.59 | depthsofchaos | :p |
| 17:12.07 | Nash|327 | Achievements and rankings are irrelevant. |
| 17:12.09 | depthsofchaos | i mind being in bronze |
| 17:12.14 | depthsofchaos | cause everibody is chessing there |
| 17:12.27 | depthsofchaos | cheese |
| 17:12.34 | Nash|327 | Anything that doesn't give any sort of in-game advantage can be ignored. |
| 17:12.52 | Nash|327 | But LOOT is LOOT and you can KILL STUFF with it! |
| 17:12.55 | depthsofchaos | playing with better players is an advantage |
| 17:13.01 | lefix | you can grind your personal skill |
| 17:13.13 | Nash|327 | That's not grind, that's practice. |
| 17:13.26 | lefix | feels the same |
| 17:14.00 | Nash|327 | I pretty much never practice at anything. |
| 17:14.05 | Obatztrara | any layout pros here? =/ |
| 17:14.14 | lefix | layout what? |
| 17:14.22 | Obatztrara | sc2layout files |
| 17:14.22 | Nash|327 | If I'm not good enough right away I don't bother. |
| 17:14.58 | Nash|327 | Then again, I also expect myself to be decent at anything right off the bat. |
| 17:15.17 | Nash|327 | And if I'm not it's clearly not meant for me, so fuck it. |
| 17:16.44 | JademusSreg | Melee is clearly not meant for me, so fuck it. |
| 17:17.08 | Nash|327 | I've just never had to try hard. |
| 17:17.25 | Nash|327 | Either it was easy, or it wasn't important and I could quit. |
| 17:18.20 | depthsofchaos | i wonder if sc2 expansion assets will be avalable for everibody :o |
| 17:18.29 | depthsofchaos | or how will they solve this |
| 17:18.56 | Nash|327 | Granted, when you're at university level and actually have to try in some classes, never having done so before is a drawback. |
| 17:20.14 | Nash|327 | SC1 split people into SC and BW players, IIRC. |
| 17:20.47 | depthsofchaos | so there will be a custom map section for each ?:o |
| 17:20.58 | depthsofchaos | guess youll have to choose what components you use |
| 17:21.16 | Nash|327 | Well, any SC map could be played in BW. |
| 17:21.24 | Obatztrara | pretty sure they will do it like with frozen throne... |
| 17:21.29 | Nash|327 | But not the other way around. |
| 17:21.55 | depthsofchaos | frozen throne? |
| 17:21.58 | Nash|327 | If you used BW stuff in the editor you had to save the map as .scx instead of .scm |
| 17:22.00 | depthsofchaos | how was it done |
| 17:22.07 | Nash|327 | and it was only playable in BW |
| 17:22.17 | depthsofchaos | ah i guess it will be like that |
| 17:22.49 | depthsofchaos | dont think bw will have so many new thongs tho |
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| 17:23.05 | depthsofchaos | what if i export a model from it for example :o |
| 17:23.31 | depthsofchaos | bw= whatever sc2 expansion :p |
| 17:23.46 | Nash|327 | Heart of the Swarm? |
| 17:23.50 | depthsofchaos | ye |
| 17:25.29 | Nash|327 | Well, when you import stuff it's stored in the map so the player wouldn't need it installed, so that could get around the restriction. |
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| 17:26.08 | Nash|327 | Which kind of defeats the restriction. |
| 17:27.36 | Nash|327 | All you could import in SC editor was sound. |
| 17:28.44 | Nash|327 | And then spend an hour sending it to other players on dial-up :P |
| 17:29.09 | depthsofchaos | xD |
| 17:30.24 | Nash|327 | Why did I have to be reminded of dial-up? D: |
| 17:30.32 | Nash|327 | THE HORROR |
| 17:31.04 | Nash|327 | It's like it never existed, then suddenly you remember. |
| 17:31.30 | Nash|327 | TRAUMA FLASHBACK |
| 17:31.59 | depthsofchaos | i had dial up till 2001 :o |
| 17:32.20 | Nash|327 | lawl |
| 17:33.02 | depthsofchaos | called east europe :o |
| 17:33.26 | Nash|327 | D; |
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| 17:35.12 | Nash|327 | I don't remember when I last used dial-up. |
| 17:36.02 | depthsofchaos | omg i remember it was 2003 actually :o |
| 17:36.54 | depthsofchaos | once i downloaded a trailer |
| 17:36.56 | JManV|Work | yeah, it's been a long time |
| 17:37.01 | depthsofchaos | we had a huge phone bill |
| 17:37.20 | JManV|Work | you didn't have a local isp? |
| 17:37.37 | Dustin | I remember it took me like a month to download Half-Life 2 leak |
| 17:37.43 | Dustin | Fuckin dialup |
| 17:37.51 | JManV|Work | i remember BBS's |
| 17:37.52 | depthsofchaos | i think it was only for the priviledged :p |
| 17:37.54 | Nash|327 | I remember playing SC1 on dial-up so it had to be 1998 at least |
| 17:38.01 | Nash|327 | :G |
| 17:38.03 | JManV|Work | downloading one picture for like 30 minutes |
| 17:38.04 | Dustin | Yeah |
| 17:38.16 | Dustin | I use to do modem connections to friends on SC1 and Diablo |
| 17:39.12 | Nash|327 | so I think I haven't used it since 1998 or 1999 |
| 17:39.17 | Nash|327 | good riddance |
| 17:40.07 | JManV|Work | indeed |
| 17:40.25 | JManV|Work | shit, my internet was acting up and i was getting 1 Mb/s down |
| 17:40.30 | JManV|Work | i thought i was gonna die |
| 17:40.44 | JManV|Work | nevermind 14.4K |
| 17:41.49 | JManV|Work | i don't even think i got a 54K modem until the near end of dial-up |
| 17:42.01 | JManV|Work | i was using 14.4 for the longest time |
| 17:42.24 | Nash|327 | 56k D: |
| 17:42.30 | JManV|Work | at one point, we actually had a 300 baud modem ... the kind you put your phone on |
| 17:42.33 | JManV|Work | 300 baud |
| 17:42.36 | JManV|Work | 300! |
| 17:42.46 | Nash|327 | that's... ancient |
| 17:42.52 | JManV|Work | indeed |
| 17:43.22 | JManV|Work | i used to plays MUDs |
| 17:43.31 | JManV|Work | didn't need a lot of baud for that |
| 17:43.34 | Nash|327 | ew, text based |
| 17:43.44 | JManV|Work | well, that's all there was |
| 17:43.49 | JManV|Work | everything was text based |
| 17:44.07 | JManV|Work | this was pre-windows 3 |
| 17:44.26 | Nash|327 | You are in a maze of twisty passages, all alike. |
| 17:44.55 | JManV|Work | alias b get beer from bag; drink beer; drop bottle |
| 17:45.05 | Obatztrara | Helral here? =/ |
| 17:45.15 | Nash|327 | You are eaten by a grue. |
| 17:45.44 | JManV|Work | and then i used to like programming for muds |
| 17:45.48 | JManV|Work | LPC :P |
| 17:46.06 | JManV|Work | that's why i originally learned C |
| 17:46.14 | JManV|Work | before that, I knew only BASIC |
| 17:46.24 | JManV|Work | QBasic :P |
| 17:46.30 | Nash|327 | I don't think I ever used text based only interfaces. |
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| 17:46.35 | JManV|Work | man, i'm old |
| 17:46.50 | Nash|327 | I remember using a mac though, with black/white monitor. |
| 17:46.56 | JManV|Work | i remember i had a text-based Microsoft C compiler |
| 17:46.58 | Nash|327 | And some sort of game where you hit people with a fish. |
| 17:47.29 | Dustin | I use to buy games on floppie disks from a big bin in walmart |
| 17:47.31 | JManV|Work | it has a MSWorks-like interface |
| 17:47.48 | JManV|Work | MSWorks, which basically died when GUIs came into being |
| 17:48.03 | JManV|Work | oh man... now i'm remembering WordPerfect |
| 17:48.15 | JManV|Work | and how you needed a keyboard template just to use that stupid program |
| 17:48.20 | JManV|Work | all those essoteric commands |
| 17:48.41 | JManV|Work | but it was a very powerful word processor for the time |
| 17:48.51 | JManV|Work | but its interface was very sub-par |
| 17:49.54 | JManV|Work | man, if i sent this computer back in time to the me then, i'd shit |
| 17:50.03 | JManV|Work | i also wouldn't begin to know what to do with it :P |
| 17:50.16 | Nash|327 | I remember some sort of word processing software with spell checker that fucked up my text. |
| 17:50.37 | Nash|327 | With completely unrelated words instead of correctly spelled ones. |
| 17:50.38 | Obatztrara | guys, do we have to modify all the layout files through the GameUI file? it seems all changes to the other files dont make any difference |
| 17:50.46 | Nash|327 | Oh wait, that still happens today! |
| 17:50.48 | Nash|327 | :P |
| 17:50.52 | JManV|Work | i remember we had a 286 with 1M of RAM and a 40M double-height hard drive |
| 17:51.15 | JManV|Work | and so many corrupt floppy disks! |
| 17:51.46 | JManV|Work | 3.5 floppies were so unreliable... i don't miss them one bit |
| 17:51.52 | Nash|327 | Even CDs and DVDs are obsolete now. |
| 17:52.14 | JManV|Work | i wish they actually were |
| 17:52.30 | JManV|Work | but for some reason my netbook came with a driver CD |
| 17:52.36 | JManV|Work | WHAT?!?! COME ON!! |
| 17:52.53 | JManV|Work | the thing didn't come with a CD drive! |
| 17:53.23 | Nash|327 | Insert into another computer, create iso, put iso on USB drive. |
| 17:53.29 | Nash|327 | D_D |
| 17:53.30 | JManV|Work | of course |
| 17:53.41 | Dustin | I remember back in the day when formatting a computer took all god damn day |
| 17:53.42 | JManV|Work | but that's a lot of unnecessary steps |
| 17:53.49 | Dustin | And if you didnt have NIC drivers? You were fucked |
| 17:53.54 | Dustin | Straight up fucked |
| 17:53.55 | JManV|Work | every do a full format of a 2TB drive? |
| 17:54.01 | JManV|Work | it takes more than a day |
| 17:54.15 | Dustin | Yeah but this was on like 40 gig drives |
| 17:54.50 | Nash|327 | ...and you had to walk in the snow, uphill in both directions. |
| 17:54.51 | JManV|Work | there's still the NIC driver problem with laptops... i run into that at work all the time |
| 17:55.05 | JManV|Work | windows never seems to find the drivers for laptop NIC cards |
| 17:55.14 | JManV|Work | and you can't get them from the internet because... |
| 17:55.22 | JManV|Work | you don't have any NIC card drivers |
| 17:55.30 | Nash|327 | Catch 22 ftw |
| 17:56.13 | Dustin | Windows 7 is badass though |
| 17:56.17 | JManV|Work | it is |
| 17:56.21 | Dustin | I never have to worry about that shit |
| 17:56.26 | JManV|Work | there are a few things i'd change tho |
| 17:56.29 | Dustin | Included default nic drive ftw |
| 17:56.41 | JManV|Work | like Ctrl+Alt+Del... didn't it used to actually be an interrupt? |
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| 17:56.48 | Dustin | I swapped out a new MOBO and Processor without having to reformat |
| 17:56.54 | Dustin | made my day |
| 17:57.03 | Demonette | Did no one every tried to add some additional animations to those critters? |
| 17:57.08 | JManV|Work | on windows 7, you have something eating up all your processes, so you hit Ctrl+Alt+Del, and you have to wait for it to finish |
| 17:57.08 | Demonette | they are so damn cute! |
| 17:57.20 | Demonette | I want some sleep animations on them :3 |
| 17:57.26 | JManV|Work | then you open up your task manager, and you have no idea what was eating up all your processes |
| 17:57.37 | JManV|Work | so annoying |
| 17:57.51 | Nash|327 | Ctrl+Alt+Del just opened task manager in XP though? |
| 17:57.55 | depthsofchaos | does anyone know how do i make different impact models for an attack action actor? |
| 17:57.59 | depthsofchaos | depending on the impact type |
| 17:58.05 | JManV|Work | good enough for me |
| 17:58.07 | depthsofchaos | i see fields like flesh and dirt here |
| 17:58.12 | JManV|Work | that's all i usually want anyways |
| 17:58.15 | depthsofchaos | i just need to know how are units categorized |
| 17:58.22 | JManV|Work | the important part was it actually interrupted what was going on |
| 17:58.24 | Nash|327 | Use Ctrl+Shift+Esc? |
| 17:58.31 | Nash|327 | D; |
| 17:58.48 | JManV|Work | you didn't have to wait 5 minutes for the screen to pop up |
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| 17:58.57 | JManV|Work | and then by the time it does, your computer's fine |
| 17:59.19 | JManV|Work | no, i wanted to kill that process 5 minutes ago! |
| 17:59.38 | Nash|327 | Ctrl+Shift+Esc seems to me like it does just what Ctrl+Alt+Del did in XP. |
| 17:59.56 | JManV|Work | does nothing for me |
| 18:00.07 | Dustin | Omfg |
| 18:00.09 | JManV|Work | oh, shift |
| 18:00.15 | Dustin | I didnt know that shit |
| 18:00.20 | Dustin | That makes me happy, kudos! |
| 18:00.28 | JManV|Work | i'm curious if it actually interrupts processes tho |
| 18:00.29 | Nash|327 | But my processes generally stayed fucked until I ended them in XP. |
| 18:00.43 | JManV|Work | because waiting for a runaway process to stop running away is just ludicrous |
| 18:01.12 | JManV|Work | or for it to at least give up control for a second |
| 18:02.26 | Nash|327 | Ctrl+Shift+Esc is easier to accomplish with 1 hand :P |
| 18:03.37 | JManV|Work | so is masturbating |
| 18:03.50 | Nash|327 | Indeed. |
| 18:04.02 | Obatztrara | finally... |
| 18:04.02 | depthsofchaos | anyone?:o how do i define a units surface type |
| 18:04.15 | JManV|Work | in the model |
| 18:04.23 | Nash|327 | I guess the Microsoft testers got tired of having to stop jerking off when programs crashed. |
| 18:04.29 | depthsofchaos | ah thanks |
| 18:04.40 | JManV|Work | yeah, that is all left hand, isn't it? |
| 18:04.58 | JManV|Work | i could totally hit Ctrl+Shift+Esc without interrupting my strokage |
| 18:05.06 | JManV|Work | good to know. |
| 18:05.28 | JManV|Work | by in the model, i don't mean the data object "Model" |
| 18:05.38 | JManV|Work | i mean in the m3 file |
| 18:06.01 | depthsofchaos | jman its actually in the model object |
| 18:06.10 | JManV|Work | is it? |
| 18:06.27 | depthsofchaos | ye, squib type defauult? |
| 18:06.38 | depthsofchaos | i can choose from metal, etc |
| 18:06.45 | JManV|Work | hmmm |
| 18:06.50 | JManV|Work | i don't know whta that is |
| 18:06.57 | JManV|Work | but if it works for you, great |
| 18:07.05 | JManV|Work | i'm glad i could accidently help you :) |
| 18:07.16 | depthsofchaos | i think this will allow different impact models depending on the surface |
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| 18:08.43 | JManV|Work | wow. my processor is peaked |
| 18:09.20 | JManV|Work | sc2: 48%, sc2editor: 18% |
| 18:11.30 | depthsofchaos | thats why i never open the terrain editor :p |
| 18:11.45 | EonShiKeno_ | sc2 wont even let me opne it now wow |
| 18:11.54 | JManV|Work | terrain editor closed |
| 18:12.00 | JManV|Work | just data and triggers |
| 18:12.18 | JManV|Work | i also never open the terrain editor unless i need to |
| 18:12.19 | depthsofchaos | your sc2 crashes with the terrain ed eon? |
| 18:12.20 | EonShiKeno_ | anyone know how to play replays a safe way while bnet servers are down? |
| 18:12.34 | EonShiKeno_ | No, right now as soon as I open sc2 it closes |
| 18:12.38 | JManV|Work | and i have the trigger editor as the default |
| 18:12.39 | EonShiKeno_ | happening to ppl |
| 18:12.55 | EonShiKeno_ | patch 1.31 is on SAE they say |
| 18:13.06 | depthsofchaos | try deleting editorvariables.txt |
| 18:13.10 | depthsofchaos | from your documents |
| 18:13.11 | JManV|Work | do you have custom layouts eon? |
| 18:13.21 | depthsofchaos | that saved me a reinstall |
| 18:13.30 | EonShiKeno_ | it has nothing to do with the editor |
| 18:13.35 | EonShiKeno_ | I am not opening it |
| 18:13.39 | JManV|Work | custom layouts? |
| 18:13.51 | JManV|Work | did you switch them after 1.3? |
| 18:13.55 | EonShiKeno_ | such as? |
| 18:14.06 | depthsofchaos | dont replays work by just opening them with sc2?:o |
| 18:14.10 | JManV|Work | replacing default sc2layout files with your own |
| 18:14.30 | JManV|Work | will cause a map to crash post 1.3 |
| 18:14.41 | EonShiKeno_ | no, it closes after it gets to the menu |
| 18:14.59 | JManV|Work | oh, you're not opening a map? |
| 18:15.05 | EonShiKeno_ | No lol |
| 18:15.15 | JManV|Work | oh |
| 18:15.16 | EonShiKeno_ | Just trying to open sc2 |
| 18:15.27 | JManV|Work | that's not allowed :P |
| 18:15.29 | depthsofchaos | then delete variables.txt |
| 18:15.59 | EonShiKeno_ | i need my variables.txt file |
| 18:16.19 | depthsofchaos | then rename it -.- |
| 18:16.21 | JManV|Work | whats in it? |
| 18:16.31 | EonShiKeno_ | i have it setup so it runs in 16bit |
| 18:16.32 | depthsofchaos | i duno but 1.3 patch has problems with it |
| 18:16.34 | EonShiKeno_ | so my sc2 doesnt lag |
| 18:16.53 | depthsofchaos | it has graphical settings but |
| 18:17.02 | depthsofchaos | if you modded it |
| 18:17.03 | EonShiKeno_ | i have bitdepth=16 and shadows=0 as my only two changes to var.txt file |
| 18:17.09 | depthsofchaos | some commands might not work in the new patch |
| 18:17.33 | JManV|Work | yeah, you might want to test it without just to rule out/in the possibility |
| 18:17.42 | EonShiKeno_ | http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=207290 |
| 18:17.46 | EonShiKeno_ | happening to lots of ppl |
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| 18:18.14 | EonShiKeno_ | says bnet is down, but before you could watch replays while bnet was down |
| 18:18.18 | SoulTaker_ | hey |
| 18:18.24 | SoulTaker_ | anyone alive |
| 18:18.27 | SoulTaker_ | jade? |
| 18:18.29 | SoulTaker_ | vexal |
| 18:18.43 | JManV|Work | no one is alive |
| 18:18.47 | JManV|Work | we all died |
| 18:18.50 | SoulTaker_ | can u get on bet? |
| 18:18.55 | SoulTaker_ | bnet* |
| 18:18.59 | JManV|Work | bnet is down |
| 18:19.03 | SoulTaker_ | oh |
| 18:19.08 | SoulTaker_ | it keeps saying theres a patch |
| 18:19.09 | JManV|Work | i think they are bugfix patching |
| 18:19.11 | SoulTaker_ | i was like WTF? |
| 18:19.26 | SoulTaker_ | how come blizzard's code is so glitches |
| 18:19.38 | SoulTaker_ | i wonder if the other server put up with this |
| 18:20.03 | JManV|Work | you'll get over it |
| 18:20.18 | SoulTaker_ | havent yet |
| 18:20.39 | JManV|Work | well, bnets still down |
| 18:21.01 | JManV|Work | when its back up, you won't really care that it was down |
| 18:21.07 | SoulTaker_ | they are suppose to do this shit at 3am |
| 18:21.09 | JManV|Work | then it will just be a fleeting memory |
| 18:21.24 | SoulTaker_ | na im still pisssed about the achivement glitch |
| 18:21.29 | JManV|Work | actually they usually do it between 9am and 5pm |
| 18:21.36 | SoulTaker_ | were it didnt give men any achivements |
| 18:21.40 | JManV|Work | every time they've patched, it's been while i was at work |
| 18:22.06 | JManV|Work | every time |
| 18:22.09 | SoulTaker_ | all the downtime notifacations say 3am to 5am |
| 18:23.21 | JManV|Work | go play with your friends outside |
| 18:23.31 | SoulTaker_ | LOLZ.... |
| 18:24.04 | SoulTaker_ | dont play in the streets, play on the highway |
| 18:24.10 | SoulTaker_ | XD |
| 18:24.18 | JManV|Work | sounds good to me |
| 18:24.27 | SoulTaker_ | my dad said that to me |
| 18:24.31 | SoulTaker_ | when i was being anoying |
| 18:24.33 | SoulTaker_ | as a kid |
| 18:24.33 | JManV|Work | run with scissors while you're at it |
| 18:24.44 | SoulTaker_ | na he said dont run with sissors |
| 18:24.54 | SoulTaker_ | he only told me to do outragius bad things |
| 18:25.02 | JManV|Work | also, accept candy from stangers. candy from stangers tastes better. |
| 18:25.30 | SoulTaker_ | so does cock |
| 18:25.31 | SoulTaker_ | its weird |
| 18:26.15 | JManV|Work | wow |
| 18:26.18 | JManV|Work | um... |
| 18:26.21 | JManV|Work | backs away. |
| 18:26.27 | JManV|Work | thats... cool... |
| 18:26.45 | SoulTaker_ | im the resident weirdo creep in this part |
| 18:26.48 | SoulTaker_ | *noods* |
| 18:26.58 | JManV|Work | why don't you go find a glory hole somewhere? :P |
| 18:27.24 | SoulTaker_ | cause im like 54 years old little girls no longer like old men |
| 18:27.28 | SoulTaker_ | sadness |
| 18:28.14 | JManV|Work | well, that's definitely not the point of a glory hole |
| 18:28.33 | JManV|Work | glory holes are all about anonymous dude-on-dude sex |
| 18:28.44 | SoulTaker_ | i guess ur deffinition fo it is different than the deffinition they use here? |
| 18:28.50 | SoulTaker_ | oh.... |
| 18:28.51 | Dustin | This dudes back? fuck. |
| 18:29.02 | SoulTaker_ | hi dustin |
| 18:29.07 | JManV|Work | glory hole = hole in bathroom stall wall big enough for a dick to fit through |
| 18:29.15 | SoulTaker_ | still mad about the sc bw debate |
| 18:29.20 | SoulTaker_ | u hold grudges... |
| 18:29.36 | SoulTaker_ | thats not healthy for u |
| 18:29.42 | SoulTaker_ | want me to rub ur back? |
| 18:29.54 | SoulTaker_ | LOL |
| 18:29.57 | JManV|Work | you don't |
| 18:30.00 | JManV|Work | for the record |
| 18:30.13 | SoulTaker_ | dont what? |
| 18:30.22 | Demonette | there was an issue with enumArea validators on behaviour wasn't there? |
| 18:30.50 | Dustin | Nah I dont hold grudge, but it seems you haven't gotten any less douchey, so it's a bad thing when you show up. |
| 18:31.11 | SoulTaker_ | woo dude chill out |
| 18:31.19 | SoulTaker_ | i dont call u names... |
| 18:31.32 | SoulTaker_ | in fact i dont say anything bad about u |
| 18:31.44 | SoulTaker_ | thats just not nice... |
| 18:31.53 | Dustin | I didnt call you any names yet. |
| 18:32.00 | Dustin | I called your behavior douchey. |
| 18:32.07 | Dustin | I can call you names if you want though. |
| 18:32.16 | SoulTaker_ | whats ur issue? |
| 18:32.19 | SoulTaker_ | really? |
| 18:32.25 | SoulTaker_ | i havent done anything to u |
| 18:32.48 | Dustin | Your attitude. |
| 18:32.59 | Dustin | Is my "issue". |
| 18:33.25 | SoulTaker_ | what do u care about my attitude, dont listen if u dont like me shooting the shit |
| 18:33.32 | SoulTaker_ | lolz |
| 18:33.38 | SoulTaker_ | no one is making u |
| 18:33.48 | JManV|Work | you were being kind of troll-y yesterday |
| 18:34.05 | SoulTaker_ | about the sc thingy? |
| 18:34.06 | Dustin | kind of? That's all this kid does. |
| 18:34.11 | Kalekin | Mapping drama, shazam. |
| 18:34.21 | Dustin | That's a good idea though, gonna /ignore him |
| 18:34.27 | JManV|Work | yeah, absolutely about the sc thing, but i don't want to restart that arguement |
| 18:34.28 | Dustin | Woot |
| 18:34.29 | Kalekin | :/ |
| 18:34.30 | SoulTaker_ | hame fun? |
| 18:34.39 | SoulTaker_ | well i just have a different view |
| 18:34.45 | SoulTaker_ | i respect your view |
| 18:34.49 | SoulTaker_ | u should respect mine |
| 18:34.56 | JManV|Work | not gonna restart that argument... |
| 18:35.02 | SoulTaker_ | i think thats the civil thing to do dont u? |
| 18:35.22 | SoulTaker_ | this is a argument about accepting differences between people not sc |
| 18:35.22 | Dustin | It feels better in here already |
| 18:35.32 | Kalekin | Respect is overated. |
| 18:35.56 | SoulTaker_ | then u will find assholes on forums who just wantto be mean to u for no reason like dustin |
| 18:36.15 | *** join/#sc2mapster harl (harl@dslb-084-063-127-229.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 18:36.22 | Nash|327 | Respect people's views, naw. |
| 18:36.37 | JManV|Work | yeah, i don't have to respect someone else's views to be civil |
| 18:36.38 | harl | gnabend |
| 18:36.43 | Nash|327 | You have the right to your opinion if and only if I have the right to laugh at you for it. |
| 18:37.05 | SoulTaker_ | u kinda do> otherwise u would be forcing them |
| 18:37.11 | JManV|Work | being civil just means i have no intention of restarting the argument |
| 18:37.11 | SoulTaker_ | or hating them |
| 18:37.46 | SoulTaker_ | dustin hates me for trolling about sc2 thats a lame reason to block somone |
| 18:38.06 | JManV|Work | well, i think he's basing that on more than one incident |
| 18:38.19 | SoulTaker_ | i davent talked to dustin |
| 18:38.25 | SoulTaker_ | that was my first convo |
| 18:38.28 | SoulTaker_ | with him |
| 18:38.31 | SoulTaker_ | XD |
| 18:38.52 | SoulTaker_ | the rest of the time i ask hade and vexal for help |
| 18:38.58 | SoulTaker_ | jade* |
| 18:39.00 | Nash|327 | He can block whoever he wants. |
| 18:39.09 | Dustin | Lol is he bitching that I blocked him? |
| 18:39.09 | SoulTaker_ | yes i respect that idea |
| 18:39.14 | Kalekin | oh god |
| 18:39.16 | SoulTaker_ | i dotn agree with it tho |
| 18:39.18 | Kalekin | just shut up and go work on a map |
| 18:39.20 | Kalekin | lol |
| 18:39.28 | SoulTaker_ | i cant |
| 18:39.31 | SoulTaker_ | im waiting for bnet |
| 18:39.40 | Nash|327 | You can block people for being morons, for being uninteresting, for whatever. |
| 18:39.43 | JManV|Work | he was briefly, yes |
| 18:39.48 | Dustin | hehe |
| 18:39.55 | Nash|327 | There's so much information, we all need to filter out the crap. |
| 18:39.55 | SoulTaker_ | i respect that idea also but dont agree with it |
| 18:40.05 | Kalekin | who cares |
| 18:40.07 | Dustin | I feel the IQ level went up in here like 70 points, it's amazing. |
| 18:40.10 | JManV|Work | but he's being uncharactaristically not-so-douchey right now :P |
| 18:40.16 | Nash|327 | Well, maybe you think people have an obligation to listen to your crap. |
| 18:40.19 | Nash|327 | D_D |
| 18:40.20 | SoulTaker_ | lol |
| 18:40.22 | SoulTaker_ | XD |
| 18:40.33 | SoulTaker_ | well i act perv and weird when im bored |
| 18:40.40 | SoulTaker_ | keep me entertained |
| 18:40.49 | SoulTaker_ | but this subject is entertaining me |
| 18:40.51 | SoulTaker_ | XD |
| 18:40.56 | JManV|Work | oh yeah i forgot about that |
| 18:41.09 | JManV|Work | he was crying cuz bnet was down earlier |
| 18:41.21 | SoulTaker_ | but im rarely in here chatting when bored |
| 18:41.27 | SoulTaker_ | yes |
| 18:41.45 | SoulTaker_ | i have the believe that blizzard makes shitty patches |
| 18:41.55 | Kalekin | Does the Leave Game event trigger for players that DC? |
| 18:41.59 | JManV|Work | anyways, it doesn't bother me that much, you just seem immature to me |
| 18:41.59 | Kalekin | is it only for victory conditions? |
| 18:42.09 | SoulTaker_ | u should check |
| 18:42.13 | SoulTaker_ | if the player==player |
| 18:42.14 | SoulTaker_ | or |
| 18:42.20 | SoulTaker_ | do player!=playing |
| 18:42.35 | SoulTaker_ | thats what i do |
| 18:42.44 | Kalekin | what does it help if it only fires for a victory condition? |
| 18:43.10 | Kalekin | Or are you saying I should periodically check the player? |
| 18:43.11 | SoulTaker_ | what? |
| 18:43.16 | SoulTaker_ | u should |
| 18:43.18 | SoulTaker_ | periodicaly |
| 18:43.24 | SoulTaker_ | cause as far as im aware |
| 18:43.25 | Kalekin | periodic triggers |
| 18:43.26 | SoulTaker_ | u cant chekc |
| 18:43.27 | Kalekin | ugh, no thanks |
| 18:43.28 | Kalekin | :/ |
| 18:43.32 | SoulTaker_ | if a player dc |
| 18:43.34 | JManV|Work | yeah, don't listen to that |
| 18:43.44 | JManV|Work | periodic triggers = da debil |
| 18:43.53 | Kalekin | figured that out a long time ago :p |
| 18:43.54 | SoulTaker_ | what do u seggest? |
| 18:44.06 | SoulTaker_ | for a dc player? |
| 18:44.06 | JManV|Work | periodic triggers should only be used for timers |
| 18:44.26 | SoulTaker_ | well what if a player leaves? |
| 18:44.26 | JManV|Work | i think that event fires for DCs but i'm not sure |
| 18:44.41 | SoulTaker_ | well there u go |
| 18:44.43 | Kalekin | Then design around the player leaving not being an important factor |
| 18:44.44 | SoulTaker_ | unsure and sure |
| 18:44.52 | JManV|Work | anyways, always better than a periodic trigger is a wait loop |
| 18:45.15 | SoulTaker_ | same thing |
| 18:45.24 | JManV|Work | while(1) { check condition; wait(0); } |
| 18:45.33 | JManV|Work | actually, huge different |
| 18:45.34 | SoulTaker_ | why not |
| 18:45.37 | SoulTaker_ | repeat forever? |
| 18:45.47 | SoulTaker_ | why use while loops |
| 18:45.58 | JManV|Work | i've never used repeat forever |
| 18:46.06 | lefix | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udEAEARD-Fo looks so awesome |
| 18:46.09 | JManV|Work | as long as it evaluated to wait(1) in script, that's fine |
| 18:46.12 | SoulTaker_ | same as while (1==1_ |
| 18:46.13 | SoulTaker_ | ) |
| 18:46.15 | Kalekin | "The event of player leaves game does not detect when a player is disconnected or leaves of their own volition" |
| 18:46.20 | JManV|Work | er, while 1 |
| 18:46.42 | JManV|Work | really? that's dump |
| 18:46.44 | JManV|Work | dumb |
| 18:46.48 | Kalekin | wait |
| 18:46.51 | SoulTaker_ | i told u guys |
| 18:46.52 | Kalekin | that was back in may |
| 18:46.57 | JManV|Work | especially the "of their own volition" part |
| 18:47.00 | SoulTaker_ | no one listens to me im going to be quiet now |
| 18:47.01 | Kalekin | "The Player Leaves Game event now fires when a player leaves or they are defeated/victorious" |
| 18:47.05 | SoulTaker_ | peace out |
| 18:47.22 | Kalekin | See, this is why we don't listen. |
| 18:47.33 | SoulTaker_ | i was right? |
| 18:47.33 | Kalekin | Apparently it does not track player leaves since 1.1.13 |
| 18:47.35 | SoulTaker_ | ya... |
| 18:47.36 | Kalekin | 1.1.3 |
| 18:47.48 | SoulTaker_ | i told u to use player != playing |
| 18:47.50 | SoulTaker_ | neways |
| 18:47.52 | JManV|Work | about a periodic trigger? definitely not |
| 18:47.54 | Kalekin | now* |
| 18:47.58 | JManV|Work | triggers have a *lot* of overhead |
| 18:48.01 | SoulTaker_ | doesnt matter how it works |
| 18:48.03 | Kalekin | How were you right? |
| 18:48.04 | Kalekin | lol |
| 18:48.05 | SoulTaker_ | i didnt say periodic |
| 18:48.06 | SoulTaker_ | he did |
| 18:48.06 | Kalekin | Of course it matters... |
| 18:48.08 | SoulTaker_ | i said sure |
| 18:48.13 | Kalekin | No, you did |
| 18:48.17 | SoulTaker_ | go read |
| 18:48.20 | SoulTaker_ | ^ |
| 18:48.22 | Kalekin | 11-002011:004311:001711- 11(Kalekin11) Or are you saying I should periodically check the player? |
| 18:48.22 | Kalekin | 11-002011:004311:001911- 11(SoulTaker_11) what? |
| 18:48.22 | Kalekin | 11-002011:004311:002311- 11(SoulTaker_11) u should |
| 18:48.22 | Kalekin | 11-002011:004311:002611- 11(SoulTaker_11) periodicaly |
| 18:48.29 | Kalekin | What the hell does that mean? |
| 18:48.30 | SoulTaker_ | oh shit |
| 18:48.33 | SoulTaker_ | i stand corrected |
| 18:48.35 | SoulTaker_ | mybad |
| 18:48.37 | SoulTaker_ | XD |
| 18:48.43 | SoulTaker_ | i ment loop |
| 18:48.44 | SoulTaker_ | :( |
| 18:48.51 | JManV|Work | well, he didn't directly say periodic triggers |
| 18:48.58 | Kalekin | Okay, doesn't amtter |
| 18:49.00 | SoulTaker_ | i ment loop |
| 18:49.06 | Kalekin | Evidently it should work for player leaves |
| 18:49.08 | SoulTaker_ | :( |
| 18:49.08 | JManV|Work | yeah, its not really that relevant |
| 18:49.19 | JManV|Work | it's not that we're not listening, it's that we're bouncing ideas |
| 18:49.36 | SoulTaker_ | ah |
| 18:49.37 | SoulTaker_ | XD |
| 18:49.54 | JManV|Work | and when you say "yeah it doesn't detect that" it had to be justified |
| 18:50.12 | SoulTaker_ | how so? |
| 18:50.20 | Kalekin | If you had to listen to someone every time they say something doesnt work/is impossible |
| 18:50.26 | Kalekin | half the stuff I got wouldn't be in my map |
| 18:50.48 | SoulTaker_ | well doing player !=playing |
| 18:50.56 | SoulTaker_ | is better than |
| 18:51.00 | JManV|Work | it's fine to say, "yeah, i don't think that works", but don't be mad if someone feels the need to check for themselves |
| 18:51.00 | SoulTaker_ | player=leaves game |
| 18:51.06 | Kalekin | No |
| 18:51.18 | Kalekin | Periodically checking if the player is still in the game is inferior to registering for the event |
| 18:51.22 | JManV|Work | what are you trying to do exactly, anyways? |
| 18:51.26 | Kalekin | that will only fire a handful of times throughout the game |
| 18:51.35 | *** join/#sc2mapster Hookah (5b53bd41@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.83.189.65) |
| 18:51.36 | SoulTaker_ | is there a event for player leaves? |
| 18:51.38 | Hookah | hi |
| 18:51.47 | JManV|Work | omg really? |
| 18:51.53 | Kalekin | ... |
| 18:51.56 | JManV|Work | that's the point of this discussion |
| 18:51.59 | Kalekin | lol |
| 18:52.03 | Hookah | any idea what the hack causing this: Unable to read header file for document dependency: Teams 14 (Mod) (Core: file not found) (it pops up when I try to publish since 1.3...) |
| 18:52.09 | JManV|Work | there is, and he wants clarification on how it works exactly |
| 18:52.30 | SoulTaker_ | lol |
| 18:52.39 | SoulTaker_ | i c |
| 18:52.41 | JManV|Work | hookah: you need to remove your game variants and recreate them |
| 18:52.50 | JManV|Work | unforunate side effect of 1.3 |
| 18:53.12 | Hookah | I hate 1.3 |
| 18:53.14 | JManV|Work | kal: what are you trying to do exactly? |
| 18:53.21 | SoulTaker_ | there was a bug with sc2 u might be experiencing also |
| 18:53.25 | SoulTaker_ | i had it awhile back |
| 18:53.36 | SoulTaker_ | it refused to accept dependencies |
| 18:53.42 | SoulTaker_ | i thnk they fixed it tho... |
| 18:54.08 | SoulTaker_ | jman |
| 18:54.08 | SoulTaker_ | did u get that big? |
| 18:54.12 | SoulTaker_ | bug* |
| 18:54.44 | JManV|Work | no. i have no idea what you're talking about. |
| 18:55.00 | Kalekin | nothing new there |
| 18:55.01 | Kalekin | :p |
| 18:55.09 | Kalekin | I have two teams setup JMan |
| 18:55.14 | Kalekin | If one of the players DC |
| 18:55.14 | SoulTaker_ | awhile back blizzard was preventing me from publishing i was gettign document dependency error and stuff |
| 18:55.15 | Hati | psssssssssh |
| 18:55.18 | Kalekin | I want him to move over to a neutral team |
| 18:55.23 | SoulTaker_ | i couldnt publish any maps |
| 18:55.28 | SoulTaker_ | even twilight fortress |
| 18:55.34 | SoulTaker_ | then one day it worked |
| 18:55.40 | JManV|Work | there has to be a way |
| 18:55.41 | SoulTaker_ | it happened for a week |
| 18:55.47 | JManV|Work | i can think of numerous maps that do that |
| 18:55.53 | Kalekin | There is obviously |
| 18:55.55 | SoulTaker_ | oh |
| 18:55.59 | SoulTaker_ | i have triggers like that |
| 18:56.00 | JManV|Work | zealot frenzy destroys all of a players unit if they quit |
| 18:56.07 | SoulTaker_ | to move dc players to nuetral teams |
| 18:56.09 | Kalekin | Ye, you register for the Player Leaves Event |
| 18:56.11 | JManV|Work | or DC |
| 18:56.15 | Kalekin | originally it did not detect DCs/quits |
| 18:56.16 | Dustin | Player Leaves |
| 18:56.19 | Dustin | And check player Status |
| 18:56.19 | Kalekin | but it was added in 1.13 |
| 18:56.21 | Kalekin | 1.1.3 |
| 18:56.29 | JManV|Work | oh, so it does now? |
| 18:56.31 | Kalekin | yep |
| 18:56.36 | JManV|Work | ok, so there' sno problem |
| 18:56.40 | SoulTaker_ | oh! |
| 18:56.41 | Kalekin | Ye, problem solved. :p |
| 18:56.44 | SoulTaker_ | really now? |
| 18:56.47 | SoulTaker_ | *claps |
| 18:56.54 | SoulTaker_ | now im going to remake my triggers |
| 18:56.56 | SoulTaker_ | XD |
| 18:56.58 | SoulTaker_ | for that |
| 18:57.13 | SoulTaker_ | fking loops... |
| 18:57.14 | SoulTaker_ | XD |
| 18:58.35 | SoulTaker_ | bummer i cant play a trick on dustin |
| 18:58.36 | SoulTaker_ | XD |
| 18:58.46 | SoulTaker_ | be funny to prank him |
| 18:59.13 | JManV|Work | cuz he's definitely in the mood for that... |
| 18:59.24 | SoulTaker_ | he will never be in the mood for a prank |
| 18:59.25 | SoulTaker_ | lolz... |
| 18:59.36 | SoulTaker_ | that guy will hate me for the rest of his life |
| 19:00.35 | SoulTaker_ | thierfor the logic is, that if a person hates me, they are usaly useless in all aspects reguarding me |
| 19:00.58 | SoulTaker_ | so they are perfect to leave flaming dog shit on |
| 19:01.33 | SoulTaker_ | but alas, im online |
| 19:01.36 | SoulTaker_ | no real pranks here |
| 19:03.15 | *** join/#sc2mapster QueenGambit (43ab2844@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.171.40.68) |
| 19:03.45 | JManV|Work | so your, what? 16? |
| 19:04.16 | SoulTaker_ | 54 |
| 19:04.20 | SoulTaker_ | did i say that above? |
| 19:04.29 | SoulTaker_ | pritty sure i did |
| 19:04.54 | JManV|Work | yeha, i'm pretty sure you're not 54 |
| 19:05.39 | SoulTaker_ | what if i was one of those old, creepy pplz |
| 19:05.41 | JManV|Work | who was president when you were born? you have 30 seconds |
| 19:05.46 | SoulTaker_ | who try to get boys to come visit him |
| 19:05.47 | SoulTaker_ | like u |
| 19:05.53 | SoulTaker_ | nixion |
| 19:06.12 | Nash|327 | Who knows who was president when they were born, anyway? |
| 19:06.32 | JManV|Work | eisenhower |
| 19:06.37 | JManV|Work | i do, carter. |
| 19:06.52 | SoulTaker_ | i dont |
| 19:06.52 | SoulTaker_ | XD |
| 19:06.54 | SoulTaker_ | clearly |
| 19:06.56 | Nash|327 | Also, not everyone is American. |
| 19:07.05 | SoulTaker_ | is it iesenhower now? |
| 19:07.19 | JManV|Work | besides, he was off by 12 years |
| 19:07.22 | JManV|Work | oh, good point |
| 19:07.50 | JManV|Work | anyways, there's no way this kid is 54. |
| 19:08.04 | Obatztrara | how to make poll on the forum? >_> |
| 19:08.12 | Nash|327 | 13, judging by spelling |
| 19:08.14 | SoulTaker_ | i do like how u call me kid |
| 19:08.15 | Nash|327 | D_D |
| 19:08.19 | SoulTaker_ | how old are u? |
| 19:08.28 | SoulTaker_ | u want come candy? u can come over and pick it up |
| 19:08.28 | JManV|Work | i'm 33. |
| 19:08.29 | SoulTaker_ | ^/^ |
| 19:08.33 | SoulTaker_ | wow |
| 19:08.38 | SoulTaker_ | now thats scarry |
| 19:08.50 | JManV|Work | a 54-year-old wouldn't think so |
| 19:09.25 | SoulTaker_ | unless u were doing the same thing im trying todo? |
| 19:09.42 | JManV|Work | pretend your 54 when you're really a teenager? |
| 19:09.55 | JManV|Work | 54-year-olds don't do that. they can't. |
| 19:09.59 | *** join/#sc2mapster SouLCarveR (4334174e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.52.23.78) |
| 19:10.05 | JManV|Work | because they're not teenagers. |
| 19:10.11 | JManV|Work | you are. |
| 19:10.25 | Kalekin | Ye, 54 year olds typically pretend their 13 year old girls. |
| 19:10.31 | Kalekin | *they're |
| 19:10.40 | SouLCarveR | Anybody know why neutral plays dont give Kill Resources? |
| 19:10.42 | JManV|Work | i know that's what i'm going ot be doing! |
| 19:10.49 | Kalekin | I can't wait. |
| 19:11.10 | JManV|Work | because neutral players can't be attacked without issuing an explicit order? |
| 19:11.12 | SoulTaker_ | why does my age matter |
| 19:11.18 | SoulTaker_ | and why do u want me to be a teenager? |
| 19:11.24 | JManV|Work | because you're immature. |
| 19:11.38 | SoulTaker_ | im missing the point |
| 19:11.54 | JManV|Work | adults don't act like you |
| 19:12.04 | JManV|Work | even immature ones |
| 19:12.07 | SoulTaker_ | but why do u want my age to be that of a teenager |
| 19:12.26 | JManV|Work | that's just my guess |
| 19:12.34 | SoulTaker_ | are we taking bets? |
| 19:12.44 | SoulTaker_ | ANYONE ELSE WANT TO THROW DOWN A BET? |
| 19:12.46 | JManV|Work | nobody cares that much |
| 19:12.51 | SoulTaker_ | well u seem to |
| 19:12.53 | Obatztrara | guys, how to make a poll on the forums? JManV you have done it, right? :) |
| 19:12.58 | Nash|327 | I'll bet 5 Internets that you are 15 or less. |
| 19:13.06 | SoulTaker_ | see |
| 19:13.07 | LordAbyss | When i read a blot of text in all Caps, all I see, "Please Ignore Me" |
| 19:13.09 | JManV|Work | edit the thread, not the post |
| 19:13.09 | LordAbyss | :P |
| 19:13.11 | SoulTaker_ | nash cares |
| 19:13.16 | SoulTaker_ | so muych for jman's logic |
| 19:13.17 | JManV|Work | but warning: polls don't go away |
| 19:13.19 | Obatztrara | ah |
| 19:13.33 | Nash|327 | I don't care, per se. |
| 19:13.39 | SoulTaker_ | well |
| 19:13.40 | JManV|Work | he bet internets :P |
| 19:13.40 | Obatztrara | ok I see it, thanks Jman |
| 19:13.44 | SoulTaker_ | u care enough to make a guess |
| 19:13.47 | SoulTaker_ | thats the point |
| 19:13.48 | JManV|Work | that's obviously not caring |
| 19:13.56 | SoulTaker_ | yes |
| 19:14.00 | SoulTaker_ | cause if we didnt care |
| 19:14.06 | SoulTaker_ | we wouldnt be guessing? |
| 19:14.07 | SoulTaker_ | wait |
| 19:14.08 | SoulTaker_ | thats wrong |
| 19:14.15 | SoulTaker_ | because we would be guessing |
| 19:14.19 | SoulTaker_ | right? |
| 19:14.22 | Nash|327 | Maybe we are just bored enough to. |
| 19:14.29 | SouLCarveR | JmanV not entirely true |
| 19:14.32 | Nash|327 | Don't mistake it for caring. |
| 19:14.34 | Nash|327 | D_D |
| 19:14.43 | SoulTaker_ | which only lessens the value of caring? |
| 19:14.47 | SoulTaker_ | but still there |
| 19:15.21 | SoulTaker_ | if its not caring, then i reject its not "not carring" |
| 19:15.24 | SoulTaker_ | then what is it? |
| 19:15.26 | Nash|327 | Think what you wish, I am certainly not bored enough to continue this. |
| 19:15.28 | SoulTaker_ | a madd hatter? |
| 19:15.34 | JManV|Work | ikr |
| 19:15.38 | JManV|Work | this is just absurd |
| 19:15.53 | SouLCarveR | In player set player 15 is set to be "hostile" and in a trigger a do a "set player 15 to be neutral to player 1 (one way)" so that player 1 still sees 15 as hostile but 15 sees 1 as neutral to it. When player 1 kills player 15's units Kill resources are not given.\ |
| 19:15.55 | JManV|Work | you're not 54. that's all i was asserting. |
| 19:16.01 | Nash|327 | I prefer my absurdity with KITTUNS! |
| 19:16.32 | SoulTaker_ | i got those 2 |
| 19:16.34 | JManV|Work | so player 15 doesn't fight back? |
| 19:16.37 | SouLCarveR | In player properties player 15 is set to be "hostile" and in a trigger a do a "set player 15 to be neutral to player 1 (one way)" so that player 1 still sees 15 as hostile but 15 sees 1 as neutral to it. When player 1 kills player 15's units Kill resources are not given. |
| 19:16.38 | SoulTaker_ | u should come visit so i can molest u |
| 19:16.45 | SouLCarveR | yes player 15 does not fight back |
| 19:16.52 | SoulTaker_ | yes soulcarver i herd u the first time |
| 19:16.54 | SoulTaker_ | but |
| 19:17.02 | SoulTaker_ | my brain doesnt like |
| 19:17.06 | SoulTaker_ | how u wrote the code |
| 19:17.13 | SoulTaker_ | and is not wanting to figure it out |
| 19:17.17 | SoulTaker_ | <----is lazy atm |
| 19:17.24 | JManV|Work | well, that's probably why kill resources don't get handed out |
| 19:17.43 | SouLCarveR | yeah Im wondering if theres a way to change the way kill resources are handled.... |
| 19:17.44 | JManV|Work | typically, you don't want to give kill resources from neutral players |
| 19:17.46 | SoulTaker_ | whats ur kill resouce trigger? |
| 19:17.55 | SoulTaker_ | why not do... |
| 19:17.59 | SoulTaker_ | if unit dies |
| 19:18.01 | JManV|Work | not trigger |
| 19:18.06 | JManV|Work | data |
| 19:18.06 | Kalekin | Soulcarver, my first move would be to look at unit flags |
| 19:18.08 | SoulTaker_ | triggering unit is owned by player 15 |
| 19:18.19 | SoulTaker_ | ? |
| 19:18.21 | Nash|327 | If the neutral player has certain units you could edit those units to not be able to attack. |
| 19:18.25 | Kalekin | see if there isn't aren't flags that customize that functionality |
| 19:18.45 | SoulTaker_ | oh this is data? |
| 19:18.46 | JManV|Work | yeah, you could remove weapons, or you could use triggers to add resources |
| 19:18.48 | SoulTaker_ | not trigger? |
| 19:18.49 | SouLCarveR | Ive looked for a flag that might effect the kill resources Ill have to take another look other wise.... I need a behavior that prevents units from attacking |
| 19:19.02 | JManV|Work | remove weapon |
| 19:19.06 | JManV|Work | then they can't attack |
| 19:19.19 | SouLCarveR | well you can do that dynamically through a trigger |
| 19:19.22 | SoulTaker_ | BUT |
| 19:19.22 | SouLCarveR | ive tried |
| 19:19.30 | JManV|Work | remove a weapon? |
| 19:19.33 | SoulTaker_ | if u remove weapon |
| 19:19.33 | JManV|Work | absolutely you can |
| 19:19.34 | SouLCarveR | cant remove weapon through trigger |
| 19:19.37 | SoulTaker_ | they wont act normaly |
| 19:19.41 | SoulTaker_ | they will engage the person |
| 19:19.45 | SoulTaker_ | as if they had a weapon |
| 19:19.45 | Kalekin | "Always a Threat to Attackers"? :p |
| 19:19.50 | Nash|327 | or just make the attack not able to target enemy |
| 19:19.51 | SoulTaker_ | u need to remove the atk ability |
| 19:19.54 | JManV|Work | you have to set their attack response as well |
| 19:19.54 | SoulTaker_ | right? |
| 19:19.58 | SoulTaker_ | im not sure bout that |
| 19:20.01 | SouLCarveR | soul ... my code is over your head |
| 19:20.08 | JManV|Work | way |
| 19:20.25 | JManV|Work | he keeps trying to interject into things he knows nothing about |
| 19:20.46 | JManV|Work | while i appreciate the desire to help others... |
| 19:20.58 | JManV|Work | you're not helping others if you don't know |
| 19:21.04 | Nash|327 | GOOD INTENTIONS ARE INSUFFICIENT |
| 19:21.25 | SouLCarveR | Kalekin... ill have to play with some of those flags... I have no idea how they effect kill resources |
| 19:21.34 | Kalekin | I dunno if they do |
| 19:21.39 | Kalekin | But that would be where I would start :p |
| 19:21.50 | Kalekin | I haven't got any experience with the way combat resources work though :( |
| 19:22.23 | SouLCarveR | Currently I have player 15 set to be hostile ... but I have a trigger that goes like "any unit aquires a target (if triggering unit owner = 15) order unit to stop ..... this does the trick but it generetes a shit ton of trigger traffic |
| 19:22.33 | Nash|327 | you could just make a trigger add resources when a player 15 unit dies |
| 19:23.07 | SouLCarveR | yeah nash I could .... but then you dont get the +1 or + 20 text tags that are automatic |
| 19:23.30 | Nash|327 | you could add your own text tags, but yeah |
| 19:23.39 | SouLCarveR | they dont look as good lol |
| 19:23.42 | JManV|Work | why exactly are you giving kill resources for enemies that can't fight back? |
| 19:23.51 | SouLCarveR | or I just need a behavior that prevents units from attacking |
| 19:23.53 | Kalekin | He's a sadist. |
| 19:23.56 | SouLCarveR | its a TD |
| 19:24.13 | JManV|Work | oh i see |
| 19:24.20 | JManV|Work | do they ever need to attack then? |
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| 19:24.24 | SouLCarveR | no they dont |
| 19:24.30 | Nash|327 | so make them unable to attack :G |
| 19:24.35 | SouLCarveR | but they do ... if you make a super long maze |
| 19:24.39 | JManV|Work | why do you need to dynamically remove their weapon? |
| 19:24.41 | SouLCarveR | the pathing fails |
| 19:24.43 | Kalekin | okay, so they do |
| 19:24.45 | JManV|Work | oh |
| 19:24.58 | SouLCarveR | because I dynamically set what units to spawn |
| 19:25.03 | SouLCarveR | from an array |
| 19:25.07 | grim002 | so im going to be stuck waiting in a car for the next 30 minutes. |
| 19:25.15 | grim002 | gogo irc |
| 19:25.34 | Nash|327 | remove the attack ability? |
| 19:25.36 | JManV|Work | well, maybe if you set their target acquistion range to be very large, and have a high priority target at the end? |
| 19:25.36 | SouLCarveR | think its possible to make a behavior that prevents a unit from attacking? |
| 19:25.50 | SouLCarveR | you cant change abilities with "set catalog field value" |
| 19:25.55 | JManV|Work | they may only attack things that stand in the way of that |
| 19:25.55 | SouLCarveR | or can you now? |
| 19:25.57 | Nash|327 | you can disable abilities with triggers |
| 19:26.20 | Dustin | SouLCarveR |
| 19:26.20 | JManV|Work | also, typically TDs just immediately destroy towers that would block pathing |
| 19:26.25 | Dustin | What are you trying to do? |
| 19:26.35 | SouLCarveR | yeah Jmanv thats what I do |
| 19:26.41 | JManV|Work | you can check for a pathing cost between 2 points |
| 19:26.41 | SouLCarveR | but if you make a SUPER LONG MAZE |
| 19:26.46 | SouLCarveR | the pathing will fail |
| 19:26.53 | SouLCarveR | as if there was something blocking the unit |
| 19:27.14 | Kalekin | perhaps the ultimate answere then is to somehow improve your pathing check |
| 19:27.22 | Kalekin | so that super long mazes can be solved |
| 19:27.32 | SouLCarveR | thats all controlled by unit AI |
| 19:27.32 | Kalekin | *answer |
| 19:27.55 | Kalekin | Correct me if I am wrong, but there are triggers that involve pathing? |
| 19:28.04 | SouLCarveR | not really |
| 19:28.09 | JManV|Work | yeah, i don't see disabling attacking dynamically working very well |
| 19:28.20 | JManV|Work | there's a path cost function |
| 19:28.25 | SouLCarveR | it just issue an order to the unit to head to the next point |
| 19:28.26 | JManV|Work | pathing cost between two points |
| 19:28.39 | JManV|Work | if it's impossible, it should return like -1 or something |
| 19:28.44 | SouLCarveR | yes I use that to prevent players from blocking the path |
| 19:28.50 | Kalekin | there are two functions I see |
| 19:28.54 | Kalekin | "Point is Passable" |
| 19:29.01 | Kalekin | "Points Connected by Pathing" |
| 19:29.26 | Kalekin | When your wave reaches a path point |
| 19:29.32 | SouLCarveR | Well I did just recently add in the whole... preventing players from blocking by checking the pathing cost |
| 19:29.33 | Kalekin | you can check the next path point using that |
| 19:29.47 | SouLCarveR | it may actually prevent players from creating really long mazes as well |
| 19:29.57 | JManV|Work | i don't understand why long mazes don't work |
| 19:30.11 | Kalekin | Takes too long for the AI to solve the path I guess? |
| 19:30.14 | SouLCarveR | yes |
| 19:30.18 | SouLCarveR | basically |
| 19:30.25 | depthsofchaos | how long maze is that :o |
| 19:30.29 | depthsofchaos | like a map size? |
| 19:30.33 | SouLCarveR | the "FAIL" value is the max integer value |
| 19:30.53 | depthsofchaos | i had 64x64 maze with path check worked fine |
| 19:30.55 | SouLCarveR | so if your maze is long enough to set the path cost to the max pathing cost value it makes the units think they are failing |
| 19:31.09 | SouLCarveR | my map is 256x256 |
| 19:31.17 | SouLCarveR | which huge mazes eh |
| 19:31.24 | Kalekin | lol >_> |
| 19:31.26 | depthsofchaos | you generate the maze? |
| 19:31.27 | JManV|Work | wow |
| 19:31.28 | depthsofchaos | or the player |
| 19:31.33 | Kalekin | Can you imagine a PC trying to run that? |
| 19:31.40 | Kalekin | Or a player playing long enough to full that? : |
| 19:31.41 | Kalekin | :0 |
| 19:31.52 | SouLCarveR | its made for 8 players |
| 19:31.56 | Kalekin | ah |
| 19:32.17 | depthsofchaos | its easy just stick to one side of the maze :p |
| 19:32.23 | SouLCarveR | now that I think of it though..... my map will prolly prevent players from making mazes that long anyways |
| 19:32.37 | SouLCarveR | since it would fail the pathing cost test |
| 19:32.41 | SouLCarveR | and destroy the structure |
| 19:32.47 | JManV|Work | i don't think you're gonna hit that ceiling no matter what |
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| 19:32.50 | Kalekin | Well, there you go :) |
| 19:32.56 | Kalekin | Anyway, my own question! |
| 19:33.07 | Kalekin | I have 3 units that move around seperately |
| 19:33.16 | depthsofchaos | whats the map goal soul |
| 19:33.19 | Kalekin | I want to calculate the center point of the 3 |
| 19:33.31 | Kalekin | and I want to make the camera follow that center point |
| 19:33.35 | SouLCarveR | store thier offsets from eachother |
| 19:33.39 | Kalekin | Ideas on a good method to do that? |
| 19:33.42 | Kalekin | no periodics? |
| 19:33.47 | Kalekin | Should I just use a wait? |
| 19:33.54 | Nash|327 | some unit group thingy? |
| 19:34.04 | JManV|Work | well, you could put a unit at that location and follow it... |
| 19:34.12 | depthsofchaos | triangle weight point |
| 19:34.23 | Nash|327 | I thought I saw some center of unit group thing. |
| 19:34.30 | JManV|Work | either way, you either need to update the unit position constantly, or update the camera position constantly |
| 19:34.32 | Kalekin | then the question comes |
| 19:34.36 | Kalekin | ye |
| 19:34.57 | Kalekin | Is there a hand event to track for unit movement or should I just bite the bullet and put in a wait |
| 19:35.14 | depthsofchaos | unit is issued move |
| 19:35.21 | JManV|Work | you don't want to trigger on unit movement any more than you want a periodic trigger |
| 19:35.22 | SouLCarveR | what are you trying to accomplish Kale? |
| 19:35.40 | JManV|Work | i think you need a while loop |
| 19:35.49 | Kalekin | Depth, the three units being trackes may be switched at any point |
| 19:35.57 | Kalekin | even after they have been issued movement orders |
| 19:36.12 | Kalekin | Like I say soul, I just want the camera to follow a certain position to keep all 3 units inside the view |
| 19:36.25 | SouLCarveR | like is it 3 different players? |
| 19:36.31 | Kalekin | Uhm, ye |
| 19:36.36 | Kalekin | 3 different players would be one circumstance |
| 19:36.46 | JManV|Work | you'll need to factor zoom in too, then |
| 19:36.51 | depthsofchaos | follow unit group with camera will do too |
| 19:36.56 | depthsofchaos | its not too acurate though |
| 19:37.08 | Kalekin | ye, not too worried about the calculations required to factor in the point/zoom |
| 19:37.18 | Kalekin | wondering how best to keep track of the required updating |
| 19:37.33 | JManV|Work | follow unit group might work. i haven't tried that |
| 19:37.38 | Kalekin | mmmm |
| 19:37.38 | SouLCarveR | I would try moving a dummy unit to the center of the Unit group |
| 19:37.43 | Kalekin | follow unit group with camera... |
| 19:37.46 | SouLCarveR | and have the camera set to follow the dummy unit |
| 19:37.47 | JManV|Work | otherwise, i think a while loop is your best bet |
| 19:37.52 | Kalekin | does it keep the units in the view? |
| 19:37.57 | depthsofchaos | it does |
| 19:38.05 | depthsofchaos | as long as the view is big enough |
| 19:38.14 | Nash|327 | PROBLEM SOLVED!? |
| 19:38.16 | depthsofchaos | it doesnt zoom by itself |
| 19:38.23 | Kalekin | Mmmm >_< |
| 19:38.29 | Kalekin | Well, it's a start. |
| 19:38.35 | Kalekin | ty |
| 19:38.36 | JManV|Work | it definitely is |
| 19:38.48 | JManV|Work | using the normal follow will be smoother than a follow in a while loop |
| 19:39.04 | JManV|Work | and if you need to, you can still set the zoom level in a while loop |
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| 19:43.13 | grim002 | yawn |
| 19:43.46 | JManV|Work | don' |
| 19:43.49 | JManV|Work | t call me that! |
| 19:45.33 | tordy | cal you what |
| 19:45.58 | JManV|Work | yawn |
| 19:46.11 | JManV|Work | not that its relevant |
| 19:46.18 | JManV|Work | i just wanted to yell something |
| 19:47.20 | Nash|327 | YELL KITTUNS |
| 19:47.39 | JManV|Work | http://www.cat-behavior-explained.com/images/angry-kitten.jpg |
| 19:47.42 | Nash|327 | KITTUNED KITTUNY KITTUNS |
| 19:47.57 | JManV|Work | imagine that attached to your face! |
| 19:48.16 | Nash|327 | Just imagining it could kill you. |
| 19:49.31 | JManV|Work | yeah, i don't think it could |
| 19:49.45 | JManV|Work | i can't imagine any way that that kitten could kill you |
| 19:49.57 | JManV|Work | unless it ended up in an oriface it shouldn't be in |
| 19:50.03 | Nash|327 | KITTUNS |
| 19:50.12 | Nash|327 | THEY ARE FUCKING HOMOCIDE |
| 19:50.23 | Nash|327 | D: |
| 19:50.43 | JManV|Work | i have a t-shirt from the onion with a cute kitten that says "kitten thinks of nothing but murder all day" |
| 19:51.22 | JManV|Work | http://www.amazon.com/KITTEN-THINKS-NOTHING-MURDER-Magnet/dp/B001E6DMC2 |
| 19:51.28 | Nash|327 | WHEN THE KITTUN REVOLUTION COMES YOU NAIVE FOOLS WILL SEE D; |
| 19:51.29 | JManV|Work | there's a magnet of the same thing |
| 19:51.56 | grim002 | seems people are still confused about how triggers work |
| 19:52.05 | grim002 | on the forums |
| 19:52.08 | Nash|327 | Fucking magnets, how do they work? |
| 19:52.15 | JManV|Work | well... triggers do stuff... |
| 19:52.34 | grim002 | more specifically threads |
| 19:52.46 | JManV|Work | oh |
| 19:52.51 | JManV|Work | well that's a little confusing |
| 19:53.04 | JManV|Work | i mean, i have a firm grasp, but it took me a minute |
| 19:53.23 | grim002 | im going to have to post conclusive proof of how they work to convince people |
| 19:53.48 | grim002 | that will take a long post |
| 19:54.04 | Nash|327 | and they'll just go tl;dr anyway |
| 19:54.46 | grim002 | the scripting section has a few people who are curious enough to read it |
| 19:54.59 | JManV|Work | i don't need conclusive proof. i've seen it happen in my own map |
| 19:55.03 | Nash|327 | Someone is WRONG on the INTERNET |
| 19:55.13 | JManV|Work | NO! |
| 19:55.15 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 19:55.16 | Nash|327 | You must enlighten them. |
| 19:55.21 | JManV|Work | THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE! |
| 19:55.26 | JManV|Work | THE INTERNET IS NEVER WRONG! |
| 19:55.52 | grim002 | nash its a bit different from a standard internet argument when you can do some simple tests to prove it |
| 19:56.23 | Nash|327 | D: |
| 19:56.42 | grim002 | its kinda important to have at least the people who are interested in galaxy |
| 19:56.58 | grim002 | informed about how its most basic parts operate |
| 19:57.19 | grim002 | dont care if the majority have no clue |
| 19:59.13 | Nash|327 | the rest can be killed by ninjas |
| 19:59.22 | JManV|Work | i'm wondering if there's some anecdotal way to prove it |
| 19:59.37 | Nash|327 | anecdotal evidence is not evidence D; |
| 19:59.41 | JManV|Work | i mean, i know because i've seen trigger lag from a meer 3 trigger firing at once |
| 19:59.49 | grim002 | its easy to prove with code + screenshots |
| 19:59.56 | JademusSreg | Where you tell a story about it a person who said it worked better? |
| 20:00.20 | JManV|Work | no, more like something people who have worked on maps will know to be true from experience |
| 20:00.52 | JManV|Work | something they may have seen before, that can be explained by the way threads work |
| 20:01.00 | grim002 | i will just test it thoroughly when i get home |
| 20:01.26 | Nash|327 | or let people remain ignorant, that works too |
| 20:01.29 | JademusSreg | I cam in on the ass end of this conversation. What's the topic? |
| 20:01.45 | grim002 | the nature of threads |
| 20:01.49 | JManV|Work | ppl in forums not understand how threads work |
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| 20:03.13 | Nash|327 | forums are full of noobs D: |
| 20:03.29 | JademusSreg | Like when people use Last Create Whatever after a wait, and are like "wtf liek my unit is wrong one Y?!!!" |
| 20:03.35 | grim002 | nash do you even know how they work? lol |
| 20:03.37 | tordy | I SEE FIDDY grim002 |
| 20:04.12 | grim002 | fifty clones of me? cool |
| 20:04.14 | Nash|327 | I may not know galaxy specifics, but I don't do mapping anymore. |
| 20:04.33 | tordy | why not |
| 20:04.43 | Nash|327 | I got bored. |
| 20:04.52 | tordy | :[ |
| 20:05.08 | Nash|327 | I made 1 map. |
| 20:05.12 | Nash|327 | Good enough :P |
| 20:05.16 | tordy | no! |
| 20:05.19 | tordy | you dont stop at 1! |
| 20:05.24 | tordy | you never stop! |
| 20:05.28 | grim002 | if you get bored mapping you either need a better idea or a greater challenge |
| 20:05.38 | JManV|Work | yeah, actually "last created" is great anecdotal proof |
| 20:05.47 | Nash|327 | Or just do something else? D_D |
| 20:05.48 | JManV|Work | well, not proof so much |
| 20:05.51 | grim002 | or maybe it means you have a life |
| 20:05.53 | tordy | \yes |
| 20:05.55 | Nash|327 | Like, actually play games. |
| 20:06.02 | JManV|Work | but still, people will understand that better than actual proof |
| 20:06.03 | tordy | prove that p != np |
| 20:06.07 | tordy | that'll be your next challenge |
| 20:06.09 | Nash|327 | I could work on my book if I had the energy. |
| 20:06.19 | Nash|327 | Better than mapping. |
| 20:06.26 | grim002 | books are dead psh |
| 20:06.37 | JManV|Work | no they're not! |
| 20:06.45 | JManV|Work | magazines are dead, books are far from it |
| 20:06.45 | tordy | pokemon books aren't dead duh |
| 20:06.52 | grim002 | make an interactive e-book in sc2 |
| 20:06.58 | JManV|Work | i mean kindle is proof that books are not dead |
| 20:07.08 | JManV|Work | now, physical paper books are dying |
| 20:07.13 | JManV|Work | but books are not |
| 20:07.13 | Nash|327 | interactive, meh |
| 20:08.24 | tordy | i dont think digital books will completely replace physical books |
| 20:08.28 | tordy | aint gonna happen |
| 20:08.33 | Nash|327 | I have at least 1½ book to write |
| 20:08.43 | Nash|327 | maybe another after that |
| 20:08.44 | tordy | Nash|327: i see 50 grim002 |
| 20:09.17 | grim002 | that adds up to grim100 |
| 20:10.01 | Nash|327 | I see 1 grim002 |
| 20:10.17 | Nash|327 | How much did you drink? |
| 20:12.21 | tordy | a monster w/ a mouse in it |
| 20:13.14 | grim002 | been waitin in this car for 45 minutes now |
| 20:13.39 | Nash|327 | show them what happens when you fuck a stranger in the ass |
| 20:14.23 | JManV|Work | heh |
| 20:14.38 | JManV|Work | you smash someone elses corvette? |
| 20:14.46 | Nash|327 | SMASH THE CAR! |
| 20:16.03 | JademusSreg | pch00000 |
| 20:20.37 | grim002 | phone gonna die... |
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| 20:23.21 | JademusSreg | Never let go grim, never let go. |
| 20:24.19 | Nash|327 | Never gonna give you up D: |
| 20:26.12 | tordy | 50 |
| 20:26.13 | tordy | grim |
| 20:26.32 | Nash|327 | 50 grims, too many |
| 20:26.42 | tordy | >:O |
| 20:29.17 | Nash|327 | Why do you want 50 grims? |
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| 20:29.21 | Ravonus | elllllo maties! |
| 20:29.43 | Nash|327 | Are you on a boat? |
| 20:32.03 | JademusSreg | So I guess today is the reveal for whatever silly thing Sixen has lined up. |
| 20:32.17 | Sixen | ;) |
| 20:32.22 | Sixen | Blizzard's is live in korea: http://www.trywow.co.kr/event/data/april/ |
| 20:32.23 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 20:32.29 | Sixen | :( |
| 20:32.41 | HP-X|Art1as | http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=6nvbrm0czkg27rl&thumb=6 |
| 20:32.43 | nicoli_s | is that the reveal? |
| 20:32.48 | HP-X|Art1as | Productive day at the university? Why, yes. |
| 20:33.10 | HP-X|Art1as | screw you coupling board thingie rawr rawr raaawr |
| 20:33.54 | HP-X|Art1as | are they revealing something? |
| 20:35.31 | tordy | was adjustment bureau a good movie |
| 20:35.40 | Skizot | WORLD OF STARCRAFT OH SHIT |
| 20:35.46 | nicoli_s | i heard good reviews from coworkers |
| 20:35.50 | nicoli_s | skizot you silly |
| 20:35.56 | HP-X|Art1as | its not april 1sst yet |
| 20:35.59 | HP-X|Art1as | 1st* |
| 20:36.00 | Skizot | :D |
| 20:36.08 | Dustin | It is in korea :P |
| 20:36.31 | Dustin | SIXEN That video is straight up korean |
| 20:36.34 | JademusSreg | Korean loli on the WoW korean page. |
| 20:36.35 | Dustin | I dont know wtf they are saying :P |
| 20:37.01 | HP-X|Art1as | JademusSreg: where |
| 20:37.11 | Hati | crazy koreans o.O |
| 20:37.21 | *** join/#sc2mapster poiuy_qwert (~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151) |
| 20:37.22 | JademusSreg | http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&sl=ko&tl=en&u=http://trywow.co.kr/event/data/april/wow/&rurl=translate.google.com&twu=1&usg=ALkJrhhYzCeWnC6MlQ1JYd6co_XSZ3HWIA |
| 20:37.28 | Nash|327 | WORLD OF STARCRAFT WILL RUIN MORE LIVES THAN CRACK |
| 20:37.31 | Hati | they are licking the scenery |
| 20:37.42 | HP-X|Art1as | thank you! |
| 20:38.08 | Skizot | like WoW hasn't done that already |
| 20:38.18 | Skizot | WoS is moving to heroin territory |
| 20:38.24 | HP-X|Art1as | JademusSreg: nice |
| 20:38.29 | JademusSreg | Hot pink SC2 UI is also lovely. |
| 20:38.37 | Skizot | you can suck a blizz devs dick for a week of access. |
| 20:38.45 | HP-X|Art1as | low res though |
| 20:38.52 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 20:39.02 | Nash|327 | In Korea, it will be worse. |
| 20:39.57 | JademusSreg | http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&sl=ko&tl=en&u=http://trywow.co.kr/event/data/april/sc2/&rurl=translate.google.com&twu=1&usg=ALkJrhjMbQSCAM0F4sfiYa-Bb8ISzzIIeQ |
| 20:39.59 | JademusSreg | PINK |
| 20:41.03 | HP-X|Art1as | wtf |
| 20:41.09 | Sixen | :( |
| 20:41.27 | Sixen | Wish I could read Korea |
| 20:41.43 | Demonette | but the translation doesn't work XD |
| 20:41.56 | Ravonus | ... sixen korean would be the correct way to say that |
| 20:42.08 | Sixen | yes |
| 20:42.14 | JademusSreg | I'm looking forward to the reveal for Project Titan. Finally, the long await Lost Vikings MMO Action Physics Puzzle Mystery FPS RPG. |
| 20:42.23 | Ravonus | read korea would be referring to the country and its citizens which I am sure you can't do either :) but any way |
| 20:42.33 | *** join/#sc2mapster Skizot (~skizot@pool-72-91-5-2.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) |
| 20:42.46 | Ravonus | you really want to know korean? |
| 20:42.52 | Ravonus | over all the languages? |
| 20:43.08 | Ravonus | or are you just saying that because everything is in korean currently ? |
| 20:43.51 | Nash|327 | English is enough for me. |
| 20:44.27 | Ravonus | i would like to know more |
| 20:44.37 | Ravonus | but i dont think i ever will |
| 20:44.45 | *** join/#sc2mapster Maged (~chatzilla@74-207-62-161.nat.luther.edu) |
| 20:44.46 | HP-X|Art1as | Ravonus: German and Mandarin would be nice |
| 20:44.48 | Nash|327 | Most people who use it can't even use it properly, they should work on that instead of learning other languages they don't need. |
| 20:44.51 | HP-X|Art1as | or is it called dutch |
| 20:45.00 | Ravonus | exaclty nash lol |
| 20:45.04 | HP-X|Art1as | well that thingie german ppl speak |
| 20:45.04 | Ravonus | i suck at english |
| 20:45.23 | Ravonus | Mandarin would be good |
| 20:45.24 | Nash|327 | ENNGLIZH |
| 20:45.36 | Nash|327 | I SPAEK VERY GOOD |
| 20:45.45 | Hati | HP-X|Art1as: don't learn german |
| 20:45.51 | Ravonus | ITs germen i think artlas |
| 20:45.55 | HP-X|Art1as | Hati: no? |
| 20:45.57 | Hati | no |
| 20:46.07 | Nash|327 | German, bleh |
| 20:46.09 | HP-X|Art1as | How am I supposed to communicate with them then |
| 20:46.15 | JademusSreg | Enghoti |
| 20:46.23 | Hati | if you understand what german politics/news say you want to drive against a wall |
| 20:46.25 | JManV|Work | i know a little german |
| 20:46.27 | HP-X|Art1as | Them and the french.... their english is crappier than mine :p |
| 20:46.30 | Hati | iam german :x |
| 20:46.34 | Nash|327 | I know some German. |
| 20:46.38 | JManV|Work | a lot of my favroite much is in german |
| 20:46.38 | HP-X|Art1as | Hati yeah |
| 20:46.43 | Nash|327 | Arbeit macht frei |
| 20:46.44 | JManV|Work | much=msuic |
| 20:46.46 | HP-X|Art1as | But I meet alot of germans who have to use google translate |
| 20:46.48 | Nash|327 | D: |
| 20:46.55 | HP-X|Art1as | from english -> german |
| 20:46.55 | JManV|Work | *music |
| 20:47.00 | Nash|327 | untermensch |
| 20:47.01 | HP-X|Art1as | then they type and re-translate to me |
| 20:47.02 | Ravonus | i would pick all the bigger countrys to learn |
| 20:47.06 | HP-X|Art1as | messed up :D |
| 20:47.12 | Ravonus | Hindi,spanish,mandarin |
| 20:47.15 | Ravonus | something like that |
| 20:47.23 | JManV|Work | i took 4 years of spanish and 2 of german |
| 20:47.32 | Hati | learn japanese |
| 20:47.38 | JManV|Work | thanks no thanks |
| 20:47.43 | JManV|Work | i'm done learning languages |
| 20:47.45 | Nash|327 | ENGLISH PLZKTHX |
| 20:47.48 | HP-X|Art1as | http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.arbetsformedlingen.se%2F4.1799db4911df80d2fa9800024.html%3Fid%3D1877506 |
| 20:47.49 | Ravonus | with english and spanish you can pretty much north and south america |
| 20:47.52 | HP-X|Art1as | That |
| 20:47.53 | HP-X|Art1as | Im thinking about applying :p |
| 20:48.01 | Ravonus | speak * |
| 20:48.07 | HP-X|Art1as | "Can work late nights (cocktail test, circumstances may require overtime work). " |
| 20:48.09 | JManV|Work | yeah, spanish is huge in the southern states |
| 20:48.17 | Ravonus | see japanese may be fun |
| 20:48.20 | Ravonus | but i dont see the use |
| 20:48.20 | HP-X|Art1as | Yeah, I'll take that 150-200% extra salary for drinking |
| 20:48.23 | HP-X|Art1as | Hell yes |
| 20:48.27 | Ravonus | their country is very small |
| 20:48.30 | Hati | Ravonus: portfolio is a usage |
| 20:48.34 | Ravonus | and they dont have much influance |
| 20:48.51 | HP-X|Art1as | Japan is a country I'd like to visit, same with Canada and US |
| 20:48.55 | Hati | depends on your industry |
| 20:48.55 | Ravonus | someone would be more impressed with madrian |
| 20:49.04 | Ravonus | and that is a HUGE part of the world |
| 20:49.26 | HP-X|Art1as | Well, I feel mandarin + chinese culture would be good. |
| 20:49.30 | HP-X|Art1as | They are rising |
| 20:49.33 | Ravonus | exactly |
| 20:49.34 | HP-X|Art1as | Wether you like it or not :p |
| 20:49.38 | Hati | or learn one of those skandinavian languages |
| 20:49.40 | Hati | russian |
| 20:49.46 | *** join/#sc2mapster MrOp (MrOp@76.76.73.7) |
| 20:49.50 | Hati | or* |
| 20:50.07 | Ravonus | and they have alot of differnt variations of languages.. but if they keep rising in power they will make mandarin their main |
| 20:50.17 | Ravonus | i mean it already is |
| 20:50.24 | Ravonus | but there are still areas in china that dont speak it |
| 20:50.30 | HP-X|Art1as | russia, scandinavian? |
| 20:50.37 | Hati | or |
| 20:50.41 | JademusSreg | Any good April Fool prank is set up well in advance of the date. I wonder if this is an example, Sixen. =D |
| 20:50.50 | Sixen | lol |
| 20:50.51 | HP-X|Art1as | I thought finnish, swedish, dannish, norway-ish(?) and icelandic etc were scandinavian :p |
| 20:51.04 | Hati | Sixen sells HoS beta keys on ebay |
| 20:51.05 | Ravonus | artlas where you from ? |
| 20:51.05 | Nash|327 | Those languages are useless D: |
| 20:51.10 | HP-X|Art1as | Sweden |
| 20:51.24 | Ravonus | ok |
| 20:51.29 | Hati | Nash|327: but uselessness makes them cool |
| 20:51.33 | Ravonus | we have a few members from sweden right? |
| 20:51.34 | Nash|327 | Noes. |
| 20:51.42 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 20:51.42 | HP-X|Art1as | Yeah |
| 20:51.43 | Nash|327 | useless != cool |
| 20:51.46 | JademusSreg | Not me though. |
| 20:52.02 | Ravonus | oh jademusreg good thing you said tha tlol i was like oh Jade is from there too |
| 20:52.02 | Ravonus | lol |
| 20:52.20 | Hati | Nash|327: knowing bunch of useless stuff can be impressive :o |
| 20:52.26 | Nash|327 | Nope. |
| 20:52.29 | HP-X|Art1as | Jum-Jum hyarion, me prul (clearly swedish) |
| 20:52.35 | Nash|327 | I know a useless language D: |
| 20:52.36 | HP-X|Art1as | and more |
| 20:52.37 | JManV|Work | i'm from the moon. |
| 20:52.42 | Ravonus | nice |
| 20:52.46 | Ravonus | i am too |
| 20:52.47 | HP-X|Art1as | !8ball Are you swedish? |
| 20:52.49 | JManV|Work | i speak moonanese natively |
| 20:52.54 | HP-X|Art1as | ~8ball Are you swedish? |
| 20:52.54 | purl | Please ask again. |
| 20:52.56 | Ravonus | didn't realize we were mooninites together |
| 20:53.21 | HP-X|Art1as | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgQIWXMGHDs |
| 20:53.22 | JManV|Work | yeah, you don't run into a fellow mooninite very often.. |
| 20:53.26 | HP-X|Art1as | Clearly, you are nazis then |
| 20:53.29 | Nash|327 | SWEDISH, SO USELESS D: |
| 20:53.33 | Ravonus | lol |
| 20:53.35 | HP-X|Art1as | Chgeck the documentary trailer |
| 20:53.50 | Hati | ~purl |
| 20:53.50 | purl | purl is probably a far prettier chatbot than you. |
| 20:53.52 | Ravonus | just them 2 guys that got that acting role on that one cartoon |
| 20:53.57 | HP-X|Art1as | Most promising sci-fi this year :p |
| 20:54.01 | *** join/#sc2mapster Jack[RCDF (d2b90c57@gateway/web/freenode/ip.210.185.12.87) |
| 20:54.03 | Ravonus | aqua team hunger force ?? |
| 20:54.36 | Hati | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kjIABDh6bk |
| 20:55.00 | JManV|Work | if that's the case, our native tongue would be middle fingers |
| 20:55.05 | Nash|327 | I should unlearn Swedish and make room for more English. |
| 20:55.11 | Nash|327 | :o |
| 20:55.12 | JManV|Work | or monotone |
| 20:55.14 | Jack[RCDF | ;o |
| 20:55.14 | HP-X|Art1as | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrE24-lwNXk |
| 20:55.17 | Hati | That was german. |
| 20:55.19 | HP-X|Art1as | Clearly swedish is better |
| 20:55.23 | HP-X|Art1as | :D |
| 20:55.36 | HP-X|Art1as | I mean, I dont even understand the one you pasted Hati! |
| 20:55.40 | Jack[RCDF | Because it's harder to learn so you're more elite and unique. |
| 20:55.53 | Ravonus | yeah me neither |
| 20:55.56 | Hati | well there's an engilish one |
| 20:56.02 | Ravonus | lol hati bad link >< |
| 20:56.07 | Nash|327 | Bumbibjörnarna D; |
| 20:56.08 | Ravonus | i didnt think that was funny one bit ha |
| 20:56.14 | HP-X|Art1as | also |
| 20:56.22 | Ravonus | are they saying nazi's really just drink and dance? |
| 20:56.23 | HP-X|Art1as | rescue rangers, duck tales and darkwing duck were better |
| 20:56.23 | HP-X|Art1as | :D |
| 20:56.48 | Jack[RCDF | Question: is the new system of sc2layout editing done by adding everything to the gameUI file? |
| 20:56.49 | JManV|Work | so the option to "allow multiple" on a parameter - is that useable in GUI? |
| 20:57.09 | Nash|327 | wtf is rescue rangers |
| 20:57.14 | Hati | or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMuDtfxAIKk |
| 20:57.26 | JManV|Work | jack: no. you create seperate files, import them, and reference them in data |
| 20:57.40 | Nash|327 | piff och puff? |
| 20:57.43 | Jack[RCDF | Ah. So I don't name them commandbuttonpanel or anything? |
| 20:57.44 | HP-X|Art1as | Nash|327: ay |
| 20:57.52 | HP-X|Art1as | aka rescue rangers |
| 20:57.55 | Jack[RCDF | Like, I can name them randomlulz.sc2layout and reference them? |
| 20:58.02 | JManV|Work | oh, yeah |
| 20:58.05 | JManV|Work | that's fine |
| 20:58.14 | Jack[RCDF | aight |
| 20:58.18 | HP-X|Art1as | nvm, missed your first line nash :p |
| 20:58.19 | JManV|Work | but now you need the full item path as part of the name in the XML |
| 20:58.27 | HP-X|Art1as | tabbing between youtube + a few irc windows |
| 20:58.27 | Nash|327 | Kids nowadays with their pokemans |
| 20:58.27 | Jack[RCDF | and if I want to replace something like the command panel? |
| 20:58.39 | Jack[RCDF | Do I have to dereference the commandpanel file? |
| 20:58.51 | HP-X|Art1as | I have pokemans s01e01-16 on ma hdd |
| 20:58.56 | Nash|327 | ew |
| 20:58.58 | HP-X|Art1as | Clearly bad voice acting |
| 20:59.01 | Nash|327 | It's anime. |
| 20:59.04 | HP-X|Art1as | I prefer Sailor Moon |
| 20:59.04 | Nash|327 | Thus fails. |
| 20:59.08 | HP-X|Art1as | ... |
| 20:59.18 | HP-X|Art1as | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4_mrdCI6Rw |
| 20:59.23 | HP-X|Art1as | You never watched that? |
| 20:59.36 | JManV|Work | heh. i love non-standard loops, like: General - For each integer iLevel from Level to 0 with increment -1, do (Actions) |
| 20:59.47 | Ravonus | why are we pasting theme songs? |
| 20:59.55 | Jack[RCDF | DELEVELUTION? |
| 21:00.11 | HP-X|Art1as | Ravonus: most likely because im in here |
| 21:00.14 | HP-X|Art1as | I never stay on topic |
| 21:00.23 | JManV|Work | jack: you don't derefence the command panel |
| 21:00.38 | Ravonus | we me neither but any ways |
| 21:00.55 | HP-X|Art1as | But sure, let's swap to awesome music videos instead! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2_m4LYAcdI |
| 21:00.55 | JManV|Work | but it would look something like this inside the XML: |
| 21:00.56 | JManV|Work | <Frame type="CommandPanel" name="GameUI/UIContainer/ConsoleUIContainer/CommandPanel" file="GameUI"> |
| 21:01.13 | JManV|Work | see how the name is a full path, referencing all the parent objects of the command panel? |
| 21:01.23 | Jack[RCDF | Yeah. |
| 21:01.29 | JManV|Work | also, the file="GameUI" is necessary |
| 21:01.38 | Jack[RCDF | But wouldn't the old command panel still exist? |
| 21:01.41 | Ravonus | lol |
| 21:01.44 | JManV|Work | that will override it |
| 21:01.45 | Ravonus | thats pretty good |
| 21:01.47 | Ravonus | they are losers |
| 21:01.57 | Jack[RCDF | Ah, so I place that line in my new xml? |
| 21:02.03 | HP-X|Art1as | whaaaat |
| 21:02.15 | *** join/#sc2mapster Hjalte (~chatzilla@cpe.ge-0-2-0-835.arcnqu2.customer.tele.dk) |
| 21:02.15 | JManV|Work | here, i have a full example |
| 21:02.17 | HP-X|Art1as | clearly you are not talking about my awesome video :D |
| 21:02.22 | Nash|327 | Awesome music videos rarely are. |
| 21:02.44 | JManV|Work | http://pastebin.com/qDApCDda |
| 21:02.47 | Ravonus | lol |
| 21:02.57 | JManV|Work | that's a 1x15 command panel at the bottom of the screen |
| 21:02.58 | HP-X|Art1as | Ravonus: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZM1fkHQP_Pw |
| 21:02.59 | Nash|327 | Because everyone else's taste in music sucks. |
| 21:03.00 | HP-X|Art1as | that one then? |
| 21:03.08 | JManV|Work | also, i move the control groups to just above the command panel |
| 21:03.09 | Ravonus | Based on this video, apparently weed was much stronger in the 70s. |
| 21:03.13 | Ravonus | i like that comment |
| 21:03.15 | Nash|327 | Thus sharing "awesome" music is pointless. |
| 21:03.16 | HP-X|Art1as | Decent music + christopher walken |
| 21:03.30 | Jack[RCDF | waitwait, so that's the gameui file? |
| 21:03.41 | Jack[RCDF | no |
| 21:03.42 | JManV|Work | i have no idea, but everything has to say that |
| 21:03.43 | *** join/#sc2mapster Kueken (~Kueken@g227082118.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 21:03.53 | JManV|Work | i haven't found any exceptions yet |
| 21:03.55 | Jack[RCDF | That's which file exactly? |
| 21:04.06 | Nash|327 | rule 34, no exceptions? |
| 21:04.14 | HP-X|Art1as | Nash|327: on what |
| 21:04.17 | HP-X|Art1as | walken? |
| 21:04.23 | JManV|Work | again: i have no idea, but its a required element |
| 21:04.24 | Nash|327 | on EVERYTHING |
| 21:04.38 | JManV|Work | your custom UI will not work if you don't have that 'file="GameUI"' in it |
| 21:04.38 | Jack[RCDF | nyro you don't see what I mean |
| 21:04.46 | Jack[RCDF | I mean, what file did you paste into pastebin? |
| 21:04.55 | JManV|Work | that's a custom file |
| 21:05.00 | Jack[RCDF | Ahhhhh |
| 21:05.09 | HP-X|Art1as | if rule 34 fails rule 35 will always step in |
| 21:05.12 | JManV|Work | it's actually a mix of gameui.sc2layout and commandpanel.sc2layout |
| 21:05.26 | Jack[RCDF | I still don't quite understand why the old commandpanel will be replaced, however. |
| 21:05.33 | JManV|Work | but you could put that in a file and import it as-is |
| 21:05.36 | Nash|327 | I ignore rule 35 :G |
| 21:05.50 | JManV|Work | because you reference the command panel by full path |
| 21:06.00 | JManV|Work | anything you do that way will override the default |
| 21:06.05 | Jack[RCDF | Ah. |
| 21:06.17 | HP-X|Art1as | and the best rule.... 36! |
| 21:06.21 | JManV|Work | i think the file="GameUI" has some part to play in that too |
| 21:06.22 | Jack[RCDF | Because the type is commandpanel? |
| 21:06.30 | Nash|327 | Don't know 36. |
| 21:06.39 | JManV|Work | no, because the name is name="GameUI/UIContainer/ConsoleUIContainer/CommandPanel" |
| 21:06.49 | HP-X|Art1as | "There will always be even more fucked up shit than what you just saw" |
| 21:06.49 | JManV|Work | and there's already an object with that name |
| 21:06.51 | Hati | 34 makes more sense Arthas |
| 21:06.52 | Jack[RCDF | Let me think. If the type is minimap, and you have the full path of the minimappanel or whatever, then it will replace the old minimap? |
| 21:06.52 | JManV|Work | so you override it |
| 21:06.55 | Jack[RCDF | Hrm. |
| 21:07.00 | HP-X|Art1as | http://encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php?title=Offended&oldid=1998697453 NOT SAFE FOR WORK, OR FAMILY |
| 21:07.09 | Jack[RCDF | So you could theoretically put a second minimap as a replacement of the commandpanel? |
| 21:07.17 | JManV|Work | you could have the full path to minimap and replace it with another object type |
| 21:07.17 | HP-X|Art1as | Hati: It does |
| 21:07.20 | Nash|327 | not safe for humanity? |
| 21:07.24 | Jack[RCDF | Aight. |
| 21:07.25 | Hati | Nash|327: If it exists, someone has a fetish for it. No exceptions. |
| 21:07.26 | JManV|Work | yes, you could |
| 21:07.37 | HP-X|Art1as | Nash, safe for humanity |
| 21:07.39 | Jack[RCDF | And how do you simply remove something without replacing it with something? |
| 21:07.53 | HP-X|Art1as | Hati: truth |
| 21:08.16 | HP-X|Art1as | Also, rule 46. "There is always furry porn of it" |
| 21:09.02 | HP-X|Art1as | Now for something entirly different: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmoDLyiQYKw |
| 21:09.07 | Hati | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHPOzQzk9Qo still classic |
| 21:09.24 | HP-X|Art1as | hati good one |
| 21:09.35 | *** join/#sc2mapster grim001_afk (~chatzilla@c-69-246-170-145.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 21:09.51 | HP-X|Art1as | ~seen RodofNod |
| 21:09.55 | purl | rodofnod <~RodOfNOD@pool-71-112-203-30.sttlwa.dsl-w.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 44d 3h 25m 44s ago, saying: 'now i smell stinky'. |
| 21:10.01 | HP-X|Art1as | 44 days eh? |
| 21:10.23 | Hati | ~8ball Will RodOfNod come back tomorrow? |
| 21:10.23 | purl | Sure. Yeah, exactly. |
| 21:10.41 | Jack[RCDF | JManV|Work: how do you remove something without replacing it? Or do you have to replace it with a blank space or something. |
| 21:10.57 | JManV|Work | <visible value="false"/> |
| 21:11.06 | grim001 | now to make conclusive tests related to that thread stuff. |
| 21:11.06 | JManV|Work | you need to override it still, but add that element |
| 21:11.17 | Jack[RCDF | Does that work for everything? Also, does that work for individual buttons in the command panel buttons? |
| 21:11.29 | JManV|Work | you can also turn off GUI elements using triggers, which is usually faster when it works |
| 21:11.40 | HP-X|Art1as | We apparently lost Ravonus |
| 21:11.43 | Jack[RCDF | "when it works" olol |
| 21:11.45 | HP-X|Art1as | and Nash|327 |
| 21:11.46 | JManV|Work | it works for most everything. you can not hide the friend button |
| 21:11.55 | JademusSreg | Yup. |
| 21:12.00 | JManV|Work | "when it works" = there's not an option to hide everything in triggers |
| 21:12.05 | Jack[RCDF | Yeah :P |
| 21:12.06 | JManV|Work | like individual buttons |
| 21:12.16 | Jack[RCDF | But you CAN do that with direct UI editing, right? |
| 21:12.25 | JManV|Work | but hiding like the "help" button in the menu is much easier in triggers |
| 21:12.27 | Jack[RCDF | Actually, I've seen it done so it must be possible. |
| 21:12.40 | JManV|Work | the friends button? |
| 21:12.43 | Jack[RCDF | no |
| 21:12.50 | Jack[RCDF | Individual button hiding. |
| 21:13.13 | JManV|Work | oh yeah, you can add the <visible val="false"/> to pretty much anything |
| 21:13.22 | JManV|Work | the only exception i know of is the friends button |
| 21:13.29 | Jack[RCDF | Aight, thanks for your help. |
| 21:13.32 | JManV|Work | which, as i understand, you can move offscreen |
| 21:13.37 | JManV|Work | but not hide |
| 21:13.51 | Jack[RCDF | No problem for me. |
| 21:13.59 | Nash|327 | Sleep D; |
| 21:14.06 | HP-X|Art1as | nn |
| 21:14.06 | JManV|Work | yeah, i don't see it as a problem at all |
| 21:14.09 | HP-X|Art1as | afk here too |
| 21:14.15 | JManV|Work | i'd rather /not/ hide the friends button |
| 21:14.20 | Jack[RCDF | I can't think of a map that would require it hidden. |
| 21:14.34 | JManV|Work | some ppl have asked |
| 21:14.36 | Jack[RCDF | Even in a FPS or RPG or something, just move it to the side a little more and it becomes part of the UI. |
| 21:14.47 | Jack[RCDF | w/e |
| 21:14.55 | JManV|Work | yeah, when you hide the console, it just goes to the bottom left corner |
| 21:15.01 | JManV|Work | but you do need to hide the frame around it |
| 21:15.11 | Jack[RCDF | Yeah, of course. |
| 21:15.18 | Jack[RCDF | Unless you like random black areas :P |
| 21:15.21 | JManV|Work | or move it to where the buttom is |
| 21:15.47 | JManV|Work | but, if you want to hide something, look and see if you can do it in triggers first... it's much easier |
| 21:16.08 | JManV|Work | i'm going home. bbiab |
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| 21:16.37 | JademusSreg | http://pastebin.com/Aq1E3AFq |
| 21:16.51 | JademusSreg | In this example, I hide everything but the minimap panel. |
| 21:17.16 | JademusSreg | UISetFrameVisible(PlayerGroupAll(), i, false); |
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| 21:18.49 | Ashamed | everyone die? |
| 21:18.57 | Jack[RCDF | ohsnap it's mushhead |
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| 21:24.15 | JademusSreg | Hi onetwo. |
| 21:24.17 | Ashamed | i am bored :( |
| 21:24.21 | onetwo | hi |
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| 21:24.24 | JademusSreg | Congrats. |
| 21:25.11 | Jack[RCDF | hi bored. |
| 21:25.20 | Jack[RCDF | Let's turn that frown upside down! |
| 21:25.22 | Jack[RCDF | :( |
| 21:25.23 | Jack[RCDF | :| |
| 21:25.25 | Jack[RCDF | :) |
| 21:25.40 | JademusSreg | Now let's turn it back. |
| 21:25.40 | Ashamed | that kinda made me chuckle lol |
| 21:25.46 | Ashamed | nhvcjuhg |
| 21:26.06 | onetwo | sounds like a rodrigo map |
| 21:26.13 | onetwo | nhvcjuhg |
| 21:26.21 | Ashamed | lol |
| 21:26.24 | Ashamed | that was my wife actually |
| 21:26.43 | JademusSreg | Your wife is bored? |
| 21:26.56 | Ashamed | not that wrote nhvcjuhg |
| 21:27.07 | Ashamed | no that* |
| 21:27.12 | Ashamed | ;lkjiuguhpok\ |
| 21:27.13 | Ashamed | . |
| 21:27.18 | Ashamed | and yes that was her again |
| 21:28.10 | onetwo | hmm youre bored |
| 21:28.12 | onetwo | and your wife is there |
| 21:28.14 | onetwo | hmm |
| 21:28.15 | Jack[RCDF | I'd suggest you do what she says and get off the computer before she breaks your keyboard. |
| 21:28.15 | onetwo | HMM |
| 21:28.19 | onetwo | what could you guys do |
| 21:28.24 | JademusSreg | I concur with onetwo. |
| 21:28.33 | Jack[RCDF | Indeed. |
| 21:28.38 | tordy | what happen |
| 21:29.08 | Hati | silence |
| 21:29.33 | JademusSreg | I think you ought to fill out the necessary requisition forms for sexual intercourse, provided the quartermaster has any in stock. |
| 21:29.39 | Jack[RCDF | Silence fool, hati is speaking. |
| 21:29.42 | Ashamed | lol |
| 21:29.45 | Ashamed | our baby is awake |
| 21:29.50 | Ashamed | and we are leaving |
| 21:29.51 | Ashamed | :) |
| 21:29.53 | Ashamed | cya |
| 21:29.56 | Jack[RCDF | bai |
| 21:30.08 | Jack[RCDF | WHY ARE YOU ON A SC2 MAPPING IRC WHEN YOU ARE MARRIED WITH A KID? |
| 21:30.22 | Ashamed | because i like scripting |
| 21:30.22 | JademusSreg | I am, as well, RCDF. |
| 21:30.26 | Ashamed | and i do that for a living |
| 21:30.27 | Jack[RCDF | Jack* |
| 21:30.32 | Jack[RCDF | RCDF is my clan tag, which is mostly dead. |
| 21:30.35 | JademusSreg | Married, two children, and so forth. |
| 21:30.41 | JademusSreg | How about Ja? |
| 21:30.42 | Ashamed | jade jack = troll |
| 21:30.44 | Ashamed | :) |
| 21:30.45 | JademusSreg | Or ack. |
| 21:30.50 | JademusSreg | I like ack. |
| 21:30.53 | Jack[RCDF | Aight. |
| 21:30.53 | JademusSreg | I'll go with that. |
| 21:31.00 | Jack[RCDF | Ack sounds good eg |
| 21:31.14 | Ashamed | but i much rather script a game |
| 21:31.16 | Ashamed | then code |
| 21:31.24 | Ashamed | and since i script code at work |
| 21:31.31 | Ashamed | i like doing it here obv |
| 21:31.42 | JademusSreg | Ash, I noticed you are still here. |
| 21:31.51 | JademusSreg | Your baby needs you! |
| 21:31.51 | Jack[RCDF | oh wow I just heard the worst analogy/memnonic ever. |
| 21:32.07 | JademusSreg | "memnonic" wakka wakka |
| 21:32.43 | Jack[RCDF | The PS2 mouse port is green because mice eat cheese or green cheese, so clearly the mouse plug goes into the green port. |
| 21:32.50 | Jack[RCDF | FFFFFFFF terrible terrible damage |
| 21:33.31 | Ashamed | lol |
| 21:33.38 | Ashamed | that is great jack |
| 21:33.48 | Jack[RCDF | I've never seen a green cheese. |
| 21:33.50 | Ashamed | we dont even need ps2 analogies anymore though |
| 21:34.02 | Jack[RCDF | PS2 is actually better than USB for mice, from what I've heard. |
| 21:34.12 | Ashamed | how is that ? |
| 21:34.26 | Ashamed | usb is faster thus why we use flash drives on usb |
| 21:34.39 | Ashamed | if ps2 was faster everything would be on it |
| 21:34.52 | Jack[RCDF | It isn't faster, but mice and keyboards don't need speed. |
| 21:35.08 | Jack[RCDF | And ps2 ports always work, whereas USBs often have problems. |
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| 21:35.23 | Ashamed | i see |
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| 21:35.29 | Ashamed | yeah there are more connections |
| 21:35.30 | Jack[RCDF | So for safety PS2 is still useful, especially for computers more than a couple of years old. |
| 21:35.39 | Ashamed | so it can move the keystrokes / mouse data faster |
| 21:35.41 | Jack[RCDF | At the very least, keep a ps2 keyboard around for emergencies. |
| 21:35.50 | onetwo | i want my computers with 20 usb ports |
| 21:35.57 | Jack[RCDF | ...why? |
| 21:36.05 | Jack[RCDF | 8-12 is normally plenty. |
| 21:36.17 | onetwo | and it needs to come with an application that auto targets computers around the world using ps2 ports and shuts them down remotely |
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| 21:36.54 | onetwo | then we can finally be free of the horror of ps2 ports |
| 21:37.08 | Jack[RCDF | Even though pretty much all computers still use ps2 ports? |
| 21:37.24 | Jack[RCDF | Also, how does one remotely shut down 99% of the world's computers, short of nuclear weaponry? |
| 21:37.41 | onetwo | if thats what we have to do.. |
| 21:37.46 | Jack[RCDF | If you knew how, you could make millions, the north koreans would buy that info off you fo shure. |
| 21:38.08 | grim001 | anyone know how the heck the UnitDamage native works? |
| 21:38.08 | onetwo | id have a huge customer lineup |
| 21:38.18 | Ashamed | yeah usb can just be used for differnt kind of transfers |
| 21:38.22 | Ashamed | thus the reaso its used |
| 21:38.40 | Ashamed | because they can make usb do everything instead of having like 6 differnt ports |
| 21:38.47 | Jack[RCDF | onetwo, the problem is you'd also have people trying to kill you. |
| 21:38.51 | Jack[RCDF | Or torture you till you tell them. |
| 21:38.54 | Jack[RCDF | Because torture is cheaper. |
| 21:39.05 | onetwo | id call in help from my new friends |
| 21:39.18 | onetwo | gaddafi, ahmedinijad (spelling) |
| 21:39.22 | onetwo | king jong not ill |
| 21:39.23 | onetwo | kim* |
| 21:39.47 | onetwo | who else is left |
| 21:39.49 | Jack[RCDF | Those'd be the ones torturing you :P |
| 21:39.50 | onetwo | everyone else is democratic now |
| 21:40.00 | onetwo | oh maybe the GE ceo |
| 21:40.02 | Jack[RCDF | what about china? |
| 21:40.07 | Jack[RCDF | olol |
| 21:40.13 | Jack[RCDF | he's owned by the government though. |
| 21:40.17 | Jack[RCDF | the US* government. |
| 21:40.23 | onetwo | lol |
| 21:40.31 | onetwo | hmm china |
| 21:40.41 | onetwo | theyre too good now |
| 21:40.45 | Jack[RCDF | The US car companies have basically become government services now. |
| 21:40.50 | onetwo | the closest to china i could be allied with is probably burmese pirates |
| 21:40.53 | onetwo | or somalian ones |
| 21:41.03 | Jack[RCDF | If they knew how to shut down 99% of the world's computers, they wouldn't be good. |
| 21:41.15 | onetwo | lol |
| 21:41.18 | Jack[RCDF | Because then they could shut down de nuke computers, then nothing would stop them. |
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| 21:42.05 | onetwo | lol harmless sc2 mapper becomes world renegade leader |
| 21:42.05 | Ashamed | ok guys i am out of here gotta go print out some baby announcments |
| 21:42.14 | onetwo | threatenign to shut down global ps2 port computers |
| 21:42.19 | Ashamed | lol |
| 21:42.24 | Ashamed | +onetwo you wouldnt! |
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| 21:42.46 | onetwo | either way |
| 21:42.53 | onetwo | id stil lbe more sane than kim jong or gaddafi |
| 21:42.55 | onetwo | still* |
| 21:43.51 | onetwo | LOL commercials for home stair-lifts for seniors are the funniest |
| 21:44.34 | JManV | you can't tell me what to do! |
| 21:44.53 | JademusSreg | No, I refuse! |
| 21:45.36 | onetwo | we need to send an sc2mapster team to libya |
| 21:45.38 | onetwo | to help the rebels |
| 21:45.45 | onetwo | can send rodrigo to debate with gaddafi too |
| 21:45.51 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 21:46.07 | depthsofchaos | gaddafi debates with bullets:o |
| 21:46.12 | depthsofchaos | hopefully :P |
| 21:46.30 | JManV | heh |
| 21:46.55 | onetwo | ...exactly |
| 21:47.11 | onetwo | is not liable for comments made about the lives of mappers |
| 21:47.14 | grim001 | tests are yielding unexpected results. |
| 21:47.21 | grim001 | in regards to threads. |
| 21:47.53 | JademusSreg | Orly? |
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| 21:49.36 | Jack[RCDF | New patch guise |
| 21:49.38 | Jack[RCDF | btw |
| 21:49.50 | JademusSreg | Patch notes or it didn't happen. |
| 21:50.06 | Jack[RCDF | http://www.staredit.net/topic/13546/unread/#special |
| 21:50.08 | Jack[RCDF | right dere |
| 21:50.14 | onetwo | it was already on EU |
| 21:50.20 | onetwo | Fed up my uploading last night |
| 21:50.21 | onetwo | lol |
| 21:50.21 | Jack[RCDF | Yeah |
| 21:50.42 | depthsofchaos | epic patch is epic |
| 21:50.48 | Jack[RCDF | Indeed. |
| 21:50.52 | JademusSreg | Ah. Bored boring patch to update the boredom. |
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| 21:51.11 | Jack[RCDF | but eg, it's epic. |
| 21:51.13 | depthsofchaos | at least they could have fixed fun or not |
| 21:51.13 | onetwo | hey have you guys tried using Mods |
| 21:51.15 | onetwo | for your maps? |
| 21:51.19 | depthsofchaos | but thats a serverside thing |
| 21:51.20 | onetwo | is the advantage just taht you get 20 MB? |
| 21:51.20 | Jack[RCDF | CAN'T YOU SEE WHAT THIS MEANS FOR SC2? |
| 21:51.21 | depthsofchaos | so hopefully |
| 21:51.26 | onetwo | and is a mod just a data editor file basically? |
| 21:51.26 | Jack[RCDF | onetwo mostly. |
| 21:51.33 | grim001 | OK, I've verified it with 3 different kinds of tests now |
| 21:51.36 | Jack[RCDF | I think the idea is that you have multiple maps using one mod. |
| 21:51.42 | onetwo | right, but the space issue |
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| 21:51.45 | Jack[RCDF | custom campaign style. |
| 21:51.46 | depthsofchaos | onetwo, ye :o |
| 21:51.50 | depthsofchaos | and others can use your mods |
| 21:51.50 | onetwo | also, do mods have custom models in them? |
| 21:51.53 | onetwo | ie can i import them into them |
| 21:51.56 | Jack[RCDF | You can put em in AFAIK |
| 21:51.59 | depthsofchaos | yep |
| 21:52.03 | JademusSreg | Sure, if I had that much useless shit to jam into a map, by god I'd use a mod |
| 21:52.04 | Jack[RCDF | Haven't seen anything to suggest you can't, at least. |
| 21:52.19 | grim001 | I created a trigger that runs when you type a chat message. It prints a message, does something that should trigger another trigger, then prints another message. |
| 21:52.35 | Jack[RCDF | so if you type something you get spammed? |
| 21:52.37 | grim001 | I tried it with unit death, a unit damaging another unit, and with units changing ownership |
| 21:52.56 | onetwo | okay so, assuming i just want to make a single map, but have 20 MB space for my custom m3 files, i can just make a mod with the m3 files, then load that mod for my map? That way I can do the data in my map and not have to switch between map/mod every 5 secs to make one change |
| 21:52.58 | grim001 | Each time, both of the messages printed before the 2nd trigger's messages printed. |
| 21:53.00 | onetwo | is that possible? |
| 21:53.08 | Jack[RCDF | onetwo, correct. |
| 21:53.09 | Jack[RCDF | Well. |
| 21:53.22 | Jack[RCDF | Why would you need to switch between them? |
| 21:53.26 | onetwo | you dont have to? |
| 21:53.36 | onetwo | i thought you have to edit mod files separate to a map? |
| 21:53.40 | grim001 | Thus I must conclude that triggers can no longer interrupt other triggers in progress. |
| 21:53.41 | depthsofchaos | that could just be because of slow speed grim :p |
| 21:53.43 | Jack[RCDF | Wait so you want to edit the mod while having your map open, amirite? |
| 21:53.45 | onetwo | yes |
| 21:53.52 | grim001 | depths, no it couldn't. |
| 21:53.59 | Jack[RCDF | I think you can edit it like that. |
| 21:54.09 | onetwo | i dont want to be doing triggers then want to change a units health and have to load the mod |
| 21:54.11 | onetwo | then go back to my map |
| 21:54.15 | onetwo | oh |
| 21:54.26 | Jack[RCDF | Go test, I don't have sc2 access atm. I forget if I've edited a mod while it's been open. I think it makes a duplicate and places it into the map. |
| 21:54.32 | Jack[RCDF | So you would have to switch between them. |
| 21:54.49 | depthsofchaos | put in a wait after the trigger call |
| 21:54.51 | onetwo | ugh k |
| 21:54.51 | JademusSreg | Mods need to either be published or be in the mod directory to be valid, iirc. |
| 21:55.00 | depthsofchaos | not sure how wait works in sc2 tho :o |
| 21:55.08 | onetwo | so what if i publish a mod that just has all my custom WoW m3 files |
| 21:55.13 | Jack[RCDF | However, if you have the data information all in your map, then you can just have it only reference the mod m3s and if you don't want to edit the m3's you'll be fine. |
| 21:55.19 | onetwo | then make a map based on it and make all my actors/models data in my map |
| 21:55.23 | onetwo | just using the assets from the mod? |
| 21:55.31 | JManV | grim: how is that unexpected? |
| 21:55.34 | onetwo | k jack |
| 21:55.34 | Jack[RCDF | Yeah I believe you can do what you want. I could be wrong though. |
| 21:55.34 | onetwo | thanks |
| 21:55.42 | JademusSreg | Yup. That shit should work. |
| 21:55.42 | grim001 | JManV, that is completely different from how triggers worked in WC3. |
| 21:55.55 | JademusSreg | It's the entire purpose of mods. |
| 21:55.56 | Jack[RCDF | WC3 is a different game, in case you didn't notice ;o |
| 21:55.58 | JManV | oh, i didn't mess with wc3 |
| 21:56.10 | Jack[RCDF | SC1 for the win. |
| 21:56.11 | grim001 | Jack, the languages are virtually identical |
| 21:56.13 | JManV | but yeah, triggers dont fire until the thread finishes or there is a wait |
| 21:56.22 | Jack[RCDF | They look identical. Doesn't mean they are. |
| 21:56.31 | JManV | something needs to give up control |
| 21:56.38 | grim001 | Jack, change your name to "Jackass" |
| 21:56.40 | grim001 | JManV, to my knowledge no one had actually tested that conclusively. |
| 21:56.42 | Jack[RCDF | :O? |
| 21:56.49 | JademusSreg | Wakka wakka |
| 21:57.06 | JManV | perhaps not tested conclusively, but i've seen the effects of it about 15 times |
| 21:57.25 | JManV | i recently had to add a wait to something so that a resulting trigger would fire |
| 21:57.40 | grim001 | Yes, it's very stupid. |
| 21:57.51 | grim001 | And it's going to cause issues. |
| 21:57.59 | grim001 | oh well. |
| 21:58.13 | Jack[RCDF | It was worse in SC1. Ever heard of wait blocks? |
| 21:58.16 | JademusSreg | native bool TriggerEvaluate (trigger t); |
| 21:58.16 | JademusSreg | native void TriggerExecute (trigger t, bool testConds, bool waitUntilDone); |
| 21:58.35 | grim001 | Yes, you could manually execute triggers every time they should have caused something to happen. It's a lame solution... |
| 21:58.41 | Jack[RCDF | You actually couldn't use multiple waits if you had hyper triggers, because your triggers would freeze up. |
| 21:58.51 | grim001 | THey wouldn't even get the proper callbacks. |
| 21:58.54 | Jack[RCDF | Now you have to use waits or it'll freeze up. |
| 21:58.56 | depthsofchaos | but if you execute it wont it pop up twice |
| 21:59.22 | grim001 | I mean the proper event responses. |
| 21:59.24 | JManV | well, i believe it was you that told me there was no true multitasking... so it only makes sense |
| 21:59.33 | Jack[RCDF | Aight I gtg to work, be back in like a week or whenever I need UI help from Jmanv |
| 21:59.38 | Jack[RCDF | peace |
| 21:59.46 | JManV | if it can't multitask, that trigger can't run until something gives up control |
| 21:59.56 | tordy | is source code a good movie |
| 22:00.13 | tordy | rotten tomatoes is giving it good scores |
| 22:00.14 | depthsofchaos | probably terrible |
| 22:00.19 | tordy | surprising/un given the trailer |
| 22:00.29 | tordy | same director as Moon |
| 22:00.32 | tordy | so i got faith |
| 22:00.40 | JademusSreg | Too bad we don't have IntToBool. |
| 22:00.48 | tordy | why not |
| 22:00.56 | tordy | cany ou just make your own |
| 22:00.57 | JademusSreg | Can someone make a formal requerst for that? |
| 22:01.24 | JManV | i had to make an int to bool function |
| 22:01.25 | JademusSreg | You miss the point tordy. |
| 22:01.33 | JManV | which is one of the reasons i wish we had inlines |
| 22:01.35 | tordy | what did i miss!? |
| 22:01.42 | JademusSreg | TriggerExecute (trigger t, bool testConds, bool waitUntilDone); |
| 22:01.53 | JademusSreg | We have BoolToInt. |
| 22:01.54 | JManV | shame to have to deal with function call overhead for something as simple as IntToBool |
| 22:02.12 | tordy | what does bool to int do |
| 22:02.19 | tordy | false -> 0, true -> 1? |
| 22:02.23 | JManV | turns a bool into integer 0 or 1 |
| 22:02.25 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 22:02.33 | tordy | so if you go inttobol |
| 22:02.40 | tordy | 0 -> false, else -> true? |
| 22:02.50 | JManV | inline functions would be easy with the GUI |
| 22:02.59 | JademusSreg | Imagine if you could typecast int to bool natively for a moment. |
| 22:03.00 | JManV | just change how it generates the script |
| 22:03.05 | tordy | what about Byte |
| 22:03.09 | JManV | hey grim: there's another idea for ya |
| 22:03.12 | JManV | inline functions |
| 22:03.24 | tordy | cant just convert Bytes |
| 22:03.30 | tordy | gotta convert Byte to Int then convert it to w/e |
| 22:03.49 | JademusSreg | Can't do that either. |
| 22:04.00 | grim001 | JManV, you don't understand how it worked in WC3, it was much better. |
| 22:04.04 | JManV | well generally IntToBool = if(int = 0) false; else true; |
| 22:04.14 | JManV | -- |
| 22:04.14 | JademusSreg | Jman gets it. |
| 22:04.16 | JManV | == |
| 22:04.54 | JademusSreg | My point is that if you could casty int to bool, then pass the bool via testCond, you could pass int data to triggers like that. |
| 22:04.54 | JManV | no, sorry, never really even played wc3 |
| 22:05.11 | grim001 | The current thread would yield to the new thread that spawned when you did something which caused an event to fire. Once it completed or hit a wait, it would return to the previous thread. Just like a function call stack. |
| 22:05.32 | JManV | ah |
| 22:05.37 | JManV | yeah, sc2 doesn't do that :P |
| 22:05.50 | JManV | which is why you end up with the same trigger firing multiple times |
| 22:05.57 | JManV | before it even gets handled once |
| 22:06.05 | grim001 | I guess it is so mind boggling for people who dont understand the concept of a function in the first place (many GUI users) that they removed it. |
| 22:07.20 | JManV | like spam clicking dialog buttons can fire the same trigger multiple times before you get a chance to handle it |
| 22:07.39 | onetwo | fuck i hate that jman |
| 22:07.44 | onetwo | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:07.47 | onetwo | to stop bnet spam |
| 22:07.49 | onetwo | on buttons |
| 22:07.55 | JManV | well, i actually wait for dialog to be hidden |
| 22:08.08 | JManV | or wait for some other thing that was set in the callback |
| 22:08.16 | JManV | before i act on the return value from that dialog |
| 22:08.33 | JManV | tends to work well |
| 22:08.42 | JademusSreg | 1 2 |
| 22:08.51 | JManV | they can spam click, but they're just setting the same variable over and over, which i only use once |
| 22:09.27 | JManV | but yeah, that generally requires an extra variable per dialog |
| 22:10.07 | JManV | an i think i just made dialog #13 for my game... |
| 22:11.24 | JManV | with the exception of moving around on the main map, basically my whole game is dialogs |
| 22:11.24 | JademusSreg | Use 1 trigger for button presses, local variable dialog control item, get event control item, call function passed on dialog control item. |
| 22:11.35 | JademusSreg | *dialog button presses |
| 22:11.55 | JManV | that's a problem tho |
| 22:12.02 | JManV | that function can get called multiple times |
| 22:12.23 | JManV | if it's called directly from the dialog item used event |
| 22:12.46 | JademusSreg | How is this a problem? |
| 22:12.49 | grim001 | having to worry about the workings of the trigger queue sucks. never was an issue at all in wc3. |
| 22:12.56 | JManV | cuz you can spam click a button |
| 22:13.09 | JManV | firing the event multiple times before it gets processed once |
| 22:13.33 | JademusSreg | How is this a problem? |
| 22:13.57 | JManV | in one extreme, but real, example, a dialog allows you to choose a unit to calldown... spam clicking it generate multiple of said units |
| 22:14.10 | JManV | from a single dialog |
| 22:14.29 | JManV | it depends on what the dialog does, but it can be a problem |
| 22:14.30 | JademusSreg | An competent person can prevent this. |
| 22:14.39 | JademusSreg | An competent! =D |
| 22:14.49 | JManV | well, yeah, but you have to know it's a problem first |
| 22:14.52 | grim001 | Yeah, but it never would have occurred under wc3's trigger system... |
| 22:14.54 | JademusSreg | is ironied. |
| 22:15.03 | JManV | and at first sight, it doesn't seem like it should be a problem |
| 22:15.29 | JManV | like, the event should fire right away and my first line is hide the dialog... no problem, right? |
| 22:15.32 | JManV | still a problem |
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| 22:15.51 | JManV | because it can fire multiple times before that line gets reached |
| 22:16.25 | JademusSreg | Naw, I could toggle a bool global. |
| 22:16.36 | JManV | that's what onetwo does |
| 22:16.45 | JManV | i do something similar |
| 22:16.50 | JademusSreg | So longer as there is no (stupid) wait in the trigger action function, it's fine. |
| 22:16.55 | JManV | but slightly different depending on the dialog |
| 22:17.12 | JManV | oh, you'd never wait in a trigger action function before hiding the dialog |
| 22:17.37 | JManV | even a incompetant person should realize you need to hide that dialog first or they can still click it |
| 22:17.45 | onetwo | an annoying one is damage effects with aoe |
| 22:17.51 | onetwo | they trigger end of wave triggers like 5 times |
| 22:17.54 | onetwo | if you killed 5 units |
| 22:18.28 | JManV | i need to do some trigger aerobatics to get it so a trigger would fire only the first time a AOE fired |
| 22:19.03 | onetwo | for dieing units |
| 22:19.11 | onetwo | i usually set the custom value 15 of dieing unit to 1.0 |
| 22:19.21 | JManV | trigger still fires, but it conditions dismiss all following triggers |
| 22:19.23 | onetwo | then a condition on dieing unit trigger that dieing unnit custom value 15 != 1.0 |
| 22:19.33 | onetwo | so first one will set it |
| 22:20.05 | JManV | yup. unit custom value |
| 22:20.05 | JManV | that's what i used too |
| 22:20.28 | JManV | is there a max to the number of custom values? |
| 22:20.36 | JademusSreg | 64, iirc |
| 22:20.45 | JManV | i'm only using 5 currently, but it'd be good to know |
| 22:21.00 | JManV | ok, i doubt i'll go over 64 |
| 22:21.03 | JManV | let alone 32 |
| 22:21.10 | JManV | i just wanted to make sure it wasn't like 8 |
| 22:21.21 | grim001 | imagine the implications for a damage modification system |
| 22:21.22 | JademusSreg | I hope you refer to them by constant values rather than magic numbers. =) |
| 22:21.26 | JManV | cuz it doesn't say |
| 22:21.31 | JademusSreg | I mean, I know it's just GUI, but still. |
| 22:21.43 | grim001 | you could damage a unit 5 times in a single trigger, and all of those damage values would be applied before the first trigger modifying the unit's health even fires |
| 22:21.48 | JManV | yeah, i have a preset |
| 22:22.18 | JManV | as soon as i went past using custom values in a single place... i made sure they didn't collide |
| 22:22.22 | grim001 | so you'll have to use a wrapped version of the UnitDamage native, which means all of the code in your map needs to use the wrapper |
| 22:22.30 | grim001 | including other peoples' libraries |
| 22:22.30 | JManV | i know the rule of programming :P |
| 22:22.51 | grim001 | luckily, this can be resolved with hooking natives I guess |
| 22:23.06 | grim001 | but this makes hooking natives preferable to actually using events that trigger from native usage in some situations |
| 22:23.22 | JManV | yeah, there are ways of dealing with it, but they are generally round-about |
| 22:23.47 | JManV | like having to store values in the unit custom value so you can check that for the next trigger that fires |
| 22:24.11 | depthsofchaos | why not just turn off the trigger |
| 22:24.17 | depthsofchaos | then turn it back :o |
| 22:24.22 | JManV | although, in my experience, dismissing a trigger via condition tends to be quite fast |
| 22:24.48 | JManV | i'm wondering if it actually quickly checks the condition before giving control back to the code the issued the event |
| 22:24.58 | onetwo | cant turn off a trigger that depends for any unit dieing |
| 22:25.20 | grim001 | jman, I should test that |
| 22:25.24 | depthsofchaos | you can because the trigger only executes after the current anyhow |
| 22:25.25 | grim001 | in a minute |
| 22:25.33 | JManV | i'm not sure how, but it would be interesting to know |
| 22:25.54 | JManV | because in my experience, using conditions is faster than checking inside the trigger |
| 22:26.20 | JManV | when it should be identical |
| 22:26.44 | JManV | but it may actually check the condition without giving up control, which would make sense (kinda) |
| 22:26.51 | JManV | as much sense as GE can make |
| 22:27.18 | JManV | whereas checking a condition only after control has been relinquished = lag spikes |
| 22:27.41 | JademusSreg | Conditions are inside the trigger. |
| 22:27.45 | JManV | in the event of placing an if statement inside the trigger body |
| 22:27.46 | JademusSreg | There is no difference. |
| 22:27.50 | grim001 | Oh, I forgot. |
| 22:27.55 | grim001 | Trigger conditions do not exist in SC2. |
| 22:27.58 | grim001 | That's why i didn't test them. |
| 22:28.02 | JManV | interesting... |
| 22:28.24 | JManV | maybe i was imagining it |
| 22:28.26 | grim001 | JManV, in WC3, trigger conditions were indeed much faster than trigger actions. |
| 22:28.42 | grim001 | This eventually led to people mostly putting stuff inside of conditions instead of events unless they wanted a new thread. |
| 22:28.59 | JManV | but i'm fairly certain that a quickly dismissed trigger has almost no impact on perforance |
| 22:29.19 | JademusSreg | Jman, look at the custom script for a trigger. |
| 22:29.19 | JManV | while a trigger that does very little can have a noticeable impact on performance |
| 22:29.30 | JManV | yeah, i've seen it. i know what you mean |
| 22:29.35 | grim001 | JManV, that'd be wrong, most of the overhead is from starting a new thread... |
| 22:30.10 | JManV | now i'm curious |
| 22:30.57 | grim001 | You could create pretend-conditions with a function pointer system. |
| 22:31.16 | grim001 | Specify a function pointer that returns bool to be evaluated before executing the trigger. |
| 22:31.23 | grim001 | :P |
| 22:32.07 | JManV | well, i'm gonna see if there's actually a speed difference |
| 22:32.18 | grim001 | do you have benchmark natives installed? |
| 22:32.25 | JManV | what would always be false? i can't do 1=0 |
| 22:32.37 | JManV | one side needs to not be a literal |
| 22:32.58 | grim001 | "false" |
| 22:33.43 | JManV | using GUI. it's dumb about such stuff |
| 22:34.52 | JManV | ok, i can do (1+1) = 1 |
| 22:35.43 | JademusSreg | I just witnessed the most awkward dialogue I've ever seen on a Disney television show. |
| 22:36.16 | JManV | no time difference |
| 22:37.14 | JademusSreg | Two characters who used to date were talking about how the girl didn't find the guy's jokes funny, that she had been taking the laughter. The guy continued to question the girl insecurely, if her previous boyfriend, Moose, made her laugh. Let's put "laugh" in quotation marks, shall we? |
| 22:37.26 | JManV | actually, the conditionless trigger fails in 0.008ms, while the trigger with a condition fails in 0.009 |
| 22:37.41 | JManV | on average |
| 22:37.51 | JademusSreg | One part Seinfeld, one part When Harry Met Sally, and completely underage. =\ |
| 22:37.58 | JManV | not that those numbers are big enough to derive anything from |
| 22:38.17 | JManV | i guess just being able to quickly dismiss is beneficial |
| 22:38.38 | JManV | much like any other program |
| 22:39.23 | JademusSreg | *faking |
| 22:39.52 | JademusSreg | Faking the laughter, or rather, neutered yound adult television series orgasm analog. |
| 22:39.58 | JademusSreg | *young |
| 22:40.01 | JManV | captian obvious asks, "laugh = orgasm?" |
| 22:41.00 | JManV | must map. |
| 22:41.09 | JademusSreg | Do eeet. |
| 22:42.03 | JManV | you can't make me! |
| 22:42.40 | JademusSreg | Alright. I will explicitly not force or encourage you. In fact, I demand you not work on it. |
| 22:42.52 | JManV | then i'm going to! |
| 22:42.58 | JademusSreg | Noooo! |
| 22:43.09 | JManV | but only because i wanted to originally, and already was... |
| 22:43.16 | deathnight114 | ^I can't figure out why that pinged me.... |
| 22:43.19 | JManV | and 7 other excuses |
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| 22:43.30 | JManV | because you have crazy shit on your ping list |
| 22:43.34 | JManV | moar piano death! |
| 22:43.58 | deathnight114 | ahaha |
| 22:44.05 | deathnight114 | http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/list/10 |
| 22:44.08 | deathnight114 | I think i'm doing something right |
| 22:44.13 | deathnight114 | My song's been there for almost two days now |
| 22:44.20 | deathnight114 | B) |
| 22:44.27 | deathnight114 | It has some a bit of piano btw |
| 22:44.27 | JManV | is that a new song? |
| 22:44.29 | deathnight114 | lol |
| 22:44.34 | deathnight114 | Kinda lol |
| 22:44.35 | JManV | i'm hearing |
| 22:44.37 | deathnight114 | semi-new |
| 22:44.39 | deathnight114 | xD |
| 22:44.48 | JManV | since the last time we talked? |
| 22:44.54 | deathnight114 | Yeah |
| 22:45.09 | JManV | you've got some fast fingers |
| 22:45.17 | deathnight114 | LOL |
| 22:45.26 | deathnight114 | Echo delay is on that piano |
| 22:45.29 | deathnight114 | Just so you know |
| 22:45.31 | deathnight114 | It's an effect |
| 22:45.37 | deathnight114 | lol |
| 22:45.56 | JManV | i know whats an individual note |
| 22:46.11 | deathnight114 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJcLeObw8rc |
| 22:46.13 | deathnight114 | That song |
| 22:46.14 | JManV | oh. it does kind of trick the ear, doesn't it |
| 22:46.16 | deathnight114 | Has quiet a bit of piano |
| 22:46.20 | deathnight114 | lol |
| 22:46.46 | JManV | because you play another note before the echo kicks in |
| 22:46.53 | deathnight114 | Yeah |
| 22:46.55 | deathnight114 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKVcp69OJPc |
| 22:46.58 | JManV | i'm digging this death |
| 22:46.59 | JManV | big time |
| 22:47.00 | deathnight114 | Theres the youtube version of it |
| 22:47.06 | JManV | and i'm loving all the piano |
| 22:47.10 | deathnight114 | I was helped out by ahnaris starcraft |
| 22:47.12 | deathnight114 | B) |
| 22:47.23 | JManV | 1) piano = powerful instrument |
| 22:47.27 | JManV | 2) you're really good with it |
| 22:47.45 | deathnight114 | AhnarisStarcraft favorited a video:Reach For the Stars - FL St... |
| 22:47.46 | JManV | 5:15 is a good time too |
| 22:47.47 | deathnight114 | lol |
| 22:48.04 | deathnight114 | Watch the youtube version |
| 22:48.06 | deathnight114 | Take a look |
| 22:48.10 | deathnight114 | At my album art to go w/ it |
| 22:48.20 | JManV | just a touch repetitive though |
| 22:48.33 | JManV | it's not bad, cuz you can just groove through the whole song |
| 22:48.40 | JManV | but you do notice the repitition |
| 22:48.47 | JManV | but i really dig this |
| 22:48.49 | deathnight114 | lol |
| 22:48.53 | deathnight114 | Thank's |
| 22:48.57 | JManV | like... i would just listen to it |
| 22:48.59 | JManV | and i might |
| 22:49.29 | deathnight114 | And i might |
| 22:49.31 | deathnight114 | continue? |
| 22:49.33 | deathnight114 | LOL |
| 22:49.42 | JManV | like... just listen to it |
| 22:49.51 | deathnight114 | xD |
| 22:49.53 | JManV | not listen to it because i'm checking out someone else music |
| 22:50.00 | JManV | but because i want to listen to it |
| 22:50.06 | deathnight114 | Yeah |
| 22:50.14 | deathnight114 | I've gotten that more than once w/ this song |
| 22:50.17 | deathnight114 | It's def one of my better ones |
| 22:50.19 | deathnight114 | lol |
| 22:50.30 | JManV | you've improved |
| 22:50.43 | JManV | and i hate to say i told you so... |
| 22:50.48 | JManV | but what did i say? |
| 22:50.53 | deathnight114 | Well |
| 22:50.56 | deathnight114 | After i get writers block |
| 22:50.59 | deathnight114 | What tends to happen |
| 22:51.02 | JManV | at least 3 minutes of piano time, and i bet it will be the best song you'd made yet |
| 22:51.06 | deathnight114 | I write two EXTREEMLY good song's |
| 22:51.13 | deathnight114 | that was |
| 22:51.31 | deathnight114 | spelled wrong |
| 22:51.31 | deathnight114 | But then after i write those two i like start making music badly again |
| 22:51.45 | JManV | 1:10 in til the end of the worlds feels ... "flat" |
| 22:52.00 | deathnight114 | Til the end of time* |
| 22:52.02 | JManV | not like musically flat, but flat as in movement |
| 22:52.06 | JManV | sorry |
| 22:52.08 | deathnight114 | And yeah |
| 22:52.12 | deathnight114 | That's not one of my better onces |
| 22:52.19 | deathnight114 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGJF6szsLFc |
| 22:52.25 | deathnight114 | That's another pretty good one i've done recently |
| 22:52.36 | deathnight114 | and i decided to actually show the .flp |
| 22:52.37 | JManV | til the end of the world is another song entirely :P |
| 22:52.48 | deathnight114 | "Is the screen the actual parts you're using for this song? |
| 22:52.50 | deathnight114 | Dear God... I only use like 12 at MAX. O.o" |
| 22:52.53 | JManV | ooo. nice beats |
| 22:53.08 | deathnight114 | I was trying some new thing's in this one |
| 22:54.01 | JManV | it's missing something |
| 22:54.14 | JManV | its really good |
| 22:54.24 | JManV | oo. i like this part |
| 22:54.30 | JManV | 1:40 range |
| 22:54.45 | deathnight114 | xD |
| 22:54.52 | deathnight114 | That harmonic thing |
| 22:55.02 | deathnight114 | Was a pain to make |
| 22:55.02 | JManV | yeah totally |
| 22:55.07 | JManV | i paid off |
| 22:55.12 | JManV | it |
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| 22:55.22 | deathnight114 | haha |
| 22:55.53 | JManV | wow. this is really good |
| 22:56.05 | deathnight114 | Yeah |
| 22:56.08 | deathnight114 | This was the song RIGHT after i got off writers block |
| 22:56.28 | JManV | i'm not sure you should have repeated the harmonic part |
| 22:56.42 | deathnight114 | Mayby mayby not |
| 22:56.42 | JManV | maybe if you switched it up a little? |
| 22:56.50 | deathnight114 | I've had mixed opinions about that harmonic part in general |
| 22:57.14 | JManV | well, i love it |
| 22:57.21 | JManV | but i'm not sure why you come back to it |
| 22:57.38 | deathnight114 | Because i was |
| 22:57.40 | deathnight114 | A little lazy |
| 22:57.42 | deathnight114 | LOL |
| 22:57.44 | JManV | a song is a story, and it feels like you shouldn't be coming back to that part unless something has changed |
| 22:57.55 | JManV | love the ending |
| 22:58.02 | depthsofchaos | not bad death :) tho i support orchestral :p |
| 22:58.16 | deathnight114 | My very first songs were orchestral |
| 22:58.25 | deathnight114 | I play in an orchestra also |
| 22:58.27 | depthsofchaos | what editor do you use for orchestral? |
| 22:58.28 | deathnight114 | B) |
| 22:58.34 | deathnight114 | FL Studio |
| 22:58.35 | deathnight114 | For everything |
| 22:58.38 | JManV | i super <3 reach for the stars tho |
| 22:58.57 | deathnight114 | haha, yeah i think i definitely did really good w/ that song |
| 22:59.18 | deathnight114 | hm... |
| 22:59.19 | JManV | you've definitely gotten better |
| 22:59.21 | deathnight114 | http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/409792 |
| 22:59.22 | deathnight114 | You guys should |
| 22:59.26 | deathnight114 | Vote reach for the stars five |
| 22:59.28 | deathnight114 | B) |
| 22:59.32 | JManV | and you definitely deserve that spot on that site's ranking |
| 22:59.33 | deathnight114 | I want it to stay at the top |
| 22:59.37 | JManV | keep up the good work |
| 22:59.42 | deathnight114 | Thank you :D |
| 22:59.43 | JManV | and you will get noticed |
| 22:59.53 | deathnight114 | Day9 might play one of my song's |
| 23:00.03 | JManV | that would be big |
| 23:00.06 | deathnight114 | In ahnaris's IRC Channel one of the op's knows day9's staff |
| 23:00.10 | deathnight114 | And is gonna show my song's to em |
| 23:00.12 | JManV | you're young too, which works well for you |
| 23:00.20 | deathnight114 | Also my friend josh kain recently was noticed by warner bros |
| 23:00.23 | deathnight114 | If he get's a record deal |
| 23:00.26 | deathnight114 | He will tell em about me |
| 23:00.31 | deathnight114 | It's ALL about connection's B) |
| 23:00.50 | deathnight114 | which i definitely have haha |
| 23:00.55 | deathnight114 | i'll brb lol |
| 23:01.23 | JManV | thats unfortunate. that's not a lot of listens |
| 23:01.33 | JManV | you need to get that song heard. it's really good |
| 23:03.08 | JManV | if there are other sites like that, you should submit that song all over the place |
| 23:03.59 | deathnight114 | Soundcloud but it's like |
| 23:04.04 | deathnight114 | Impossible to get noticed there |
| 23:04.08 | deathnight114 | Again |
| 23:04.13 | deathnight114 | Warner bros is actually pretty big |
| 23:04.15 | deathnight114 | lol |
| 23:04.30 | JManV | well, don't put your eggs in one basket |
| 23:04.36 | JManV | put them in 20 |
| 23:04.50 | deathnight114 | hm... |
| 23:04.52 | deathnight114 | Mayby lol |
| 23:05.00 | deathnight114 | find me some other |
| 23:05.00 | JManV | that's how it's done |
| 23:05.04 | deathnight114 | Music submition sites |
| 23:05.08 | deathnight114 | and i'll do it |
| 23:05.09 | deathnight114 | haha |
| 23:05.21 | JManV | i'd do the same thing you would to look for them |
| 23:05.26 | JManV | google.com |
| 23:05.54 | JManV | but what i will do is give you a shitton of listens for this song :P |
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| 23:06.08 | deathnight114 | Howso? |
| 23:06.10 | deathnight114 | lol |
| 23:06.46 | JManV | acutally i just realized i could download it |
| 23:06.54 | deathnight114 | LOL |
| 23:07.46 | JManV | i like the beats in intensity |
| 23:07.53 | JManV | you should go beat crazy with a song |
| 23:08.03 | JManV | like even crazier than intensity :P |
| 23:08.08 | deathnight114 | Breakbeat? |
| 23:09.14 | JManV | ihmm |
| 23:09.30 | JManV | i actually think that's what it's missing in those earlier parts |
| 23:09.41 | JManV | is a heavier beat |
| 23:09.50 | JManV | or a breakbeat |
| 23:10.23 | JManV | anyways, man, i totally support you all the way |
| 23:10.28 | JManV | i've actually told friends about you |
| 23:10.34 | JManV | and i will continue to do so |
| 23:10.56 | JManV | you've got some talent |
| 23:11.12 | deathnight114 | B) |
| 23:11.16 | deathnight114 | Thank you very much :) |
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| 23:11.34 | Skizot | JManV |
| 23:11.36 | Skizot | i hate you. |
| 23:11.38 | Skizot | :P |
| 23:11.39 | JManV | what? |
| 23:11.43 | JManV | what's up man! |
| 23:11.49 | deathnight114 | Hataz gonna hate |
| 23:11.52 | Skizot | I've been stuck playing black for the past 3 days |
| 23:11.57 | JManV | hahah |
| 23:12.09 | JManV | i saw shots. that looked good |
| 23:12.19 | Skizot | ? |
| 23:12.27 | JManV | pokemon black? |
| 23:12.28 | Skizot | pokemon black? |
| 23:12.34 | JManV | yeah |
| 23:12.52 | Skizot | DEFINITE improvement for the series. |
| 23:12.56 | JManV | i was looking the other day, and i saw some shots of the pokecenter and stuff |
| 23:13.00 | Skizot | though some of the new pokes are retarded. |
| 23:13.06 | JManV | ofc |
| 23:13.13 | JManV | that happens every time |
| 23:13.20 | Skizot | a trash bag. |
| 23:13.23 | Skizot | seriously. |
| 23:13.30 | JManV | wow |
| 23:13.39 | Skizot | and an ice cream cone. |
| 23:13.39 | JManV | they're really running out, aren't they? |
| 23:13.48 | JManV | is that a DS game? |
| 23:13.57 | Skizot | black? |
| 23:13.58 | Skizot | yeah |
| 23:14.01 | JManV | hmm |
| 23:14.04 | JManV | i should download it |
| 23:14.07 | Skizot | if you have an r4. |
| 23:14.14 | Skizot | get woodr4 1.27 |
| 23:14.14 | JManV | or maybe i shouldn't |
| 23:14.27 | Skizot | or else it just shits a chicken |
| 23:14.29 | JManV | oh yeah, id prolly have to update my thingy |
| 23:14.33 | JManV | i think i have an r5 |
| 23:14.41 | nicoli_s | lol theres a trash bag pokemon? |
| 23:14.53 | Skizot | yeah |
| 23:14.57 | Skizot | trubbish |
| 23:15.08 | JManV | nope. r4 |
| 23:15.29 | JManV | <3 advance wars |
| 23:15.38 | nicoli_s | oh i love me some advance wars |
| 23:15.38 | Skizot | http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Trubbish_(Pok%C3%A9mon) |
| 23:15.50 | JManV | trubbish? really? |
| 23:15.54 | Skizot | woodr4 is a new firmware for the r4 |
| 23:16.14 | JManV | great. thanks for sending me to a blank wiki. :P |
| 23:16.22 | JManV | yeah |
| 23:16.26 | JManV | i haven't updated in forever |
| 23:16.52 | JManV | i just loaded it with 8G of games when i got it, and haven't added a game since |
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| 23:17.09 | JManV | generally, that's worked well for me |
| 23:17.14 | JManV | but i haven't played it in a while |
| 23:17.31 | JManV | i bring it along if i thing i'm gonna wait in line, or i'm on a plane, but thats about it |
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| 23:22.18 | Sixen | JManV: You doing Map Night tomorrow? |
| 23:22.33 | JManV | absolutely |
| 23:22.36 | Sixen | kk |
| 23:22.40 | Sixen | going to add a reminder to the next news post |
| 23:22.49 | JManV | awesome! |
| 23:22.53 | JManV | i appreciate that |
| 23:22.53 | Sixen | 7pm, correct? |
| 23:23.16 | Skizot | http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/thumb/e/e2/568Trubbish.png/200px-568Trubbish.png |
| 23:23.25 | Skizot | trubbish |
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| 23:26.26 | Sixen | JManV: 7PM PST, correct? |
| 23:26.40 | Sixen | that can't be right. is it EST? |
| 23:26.52 | JManV | it's 8pm EST |
| 23:27.13 | Sixen | kk |
| 23:27.19 | JManV | which is 5 PST |
| 23:27.32 | Sixen | ya :) |
| 23:27.35 | JManV | i've been thinking of moving it back an hour... that's awful early PST |
| 23:27.40 | Sixen | Yeah =| |
| 23:27.57 | JManV | i haven't made any announcements of the sort tho |
| 23:28.00 | Sixen | Mmkay |
| 23:28.01 | Skizot | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7102389/tf2wip/demoshield.png |
| 23:28.03 | Sixen | Justl emme know before hand |
| 23:28.09 | JManV | i'll prolly do that next week |
| 23:28.13 | Sixen | OK then |
| 23:28.18 | JManV | i'm gonna try and get ventrilo back up tho |
| 23:28.26 | JManV | gonna add on some bandwidth |
| 23:28.33 | Sixen | sweetness |
| 23:28.36 | JManV | i think i can actually do that now |
| 23:30.17 | Skizot | NEEERRRRDDDDSSSS |
| 23:30.21 | Ashamed | back |
| 23:30.39 | Sixen | Ashamed? Back frmo what? Like a 6 month afk? |
| 23:30.40 | deathnight114 | BEING A NERD |
| 23:30.42 | deathnight114 | IS AWESOME |
| 23:30.44 | deathnight114 | B) |
| 23:30.46 | Sixen | lol |
| 23:30.54 | deathnight114 | Just sayin |
| 23:30.58 | deathnight114 | Even though i kinda gave up video game |
| 23:31.04 | deathnight114 | LOL |
| 23:31.07 | Sixen | ;P |
| 23:31.18 | deathnight114 | Still fun to check out awesome map's though haha |
| 23:32.05 | JManV | you're just mad cuz we have stable internet, skiz |
| 23:32.09 | Skizot | I am making my own game now. |
| 23:32.14 | deathnight114 | So am i |
| 23:32.16 | deathnight114 | Er... |
| 23:32.18 | deathnight114 | The music fo r a game |
| 23:32.18 | JManV | what are you working on? |
| 23:32.21 | deathnight114 | lol |
| 23:32.24 | Skizot | i sent you pics. |
| 23:32.29 | JManV | oh, ok |
| 23:32.30 | Skizot | dork:P |
| 23:32.42 | JManV | i was thinking map |
| 23:32.45 | JManV | that's a game |
| 23:33.01 | Skizot | http://www.storeit.in/skizot/props.png |
| 23:33.11 | Skizot | i SAID game XD |
| 23:33.29 | JManV | i like the packages :P |
| 23:33.30 | Skizot | OH LAWD OH LAWD SWTOR BETA KEY SUCK IT WHORES |
| 23:33.39 | deathnight114 | hm... |
| 23:33.43 | Skizot | huggles his gmail |
| 23:33.44 | deathnight114 | The game i'm making is 2d |
| 23:33.47 | deathnight114 | Er... |
| 23:33.48 | deathnight114 | Hold up |
| 23:33.57 | Ashamed | skiz is that your models ? |
| 23:34.17 | Skizot | yeah |
| 23:34.24 | Ashamed | they are nice |
| 23:34.25 | Ashamed | good job |
| 23:34.31 | Skizot | thanks |
| 23:34.32 | deathnight114 | If theres any good spriters in here btw |
| 23:34.35 | deathnight114 | We could use your help |
| 23:34.35 | JManV | yeah, skiz is awesome |
| 23:34.37 | deathnight114 | lol |
| 23:35.13 | JManV | he made a ton of models for my game |
| 23:35.29 | Ashamed | the basket ball and foot ball kinda loooks fuzzy though |
| 23:35.34 | Ashamed | oh nice |
| 23:35.46 | Skizot | that's max's rendering. |
| 23:35.47 | Ashamed | are you just doing base models or you tossing pokemon in it too ? |
| 23:36.00 | Skizot | if i set the render to make them look right, you can't read any of the text. |
| 23:36.43 | Ashamed | well footballs and basketballs dont have text ? |
| 23:37.08 | Skizot | the other stuff does :P |
| 23:37.18 | Skizot | and since it's a group shot.. |
| 23:37.22 | Ashamed | oh shiz |
| 23:37.34 | Ashamed | you cant change rendering for each object ?? sorry i know nothing of modeling |
| 23:37.43 | Skizot | lol no. |
| 23:37.48 | Ashamed | :( |
| 23:37.55 | Skizot | think of the renderer as a lens on a camera. |
| 23:38.02 | Skizot | can you set a lens per object? |
| 23:38.31 | Ashamed | Pff yah |
| 23:38.32 | Ashamed | i can |
| 23:39.07 | Ashamed | well besides the fuzzyness on them too balls them are some good models |
| 23:39.11 | Skizot | well your magic camera is better coded than max's renderer |
| 23:39.22 | Ashamed | lol |
| 23:39.28 | Ashamed | what is your game going to be ? |
| 23:39.35 | Ashamed | and its a game correct not a starcraft map ? |
| 23:39.54 | Skizot | yeah it's going to be an XBLIG game |
| 23:41.18 | Ashamed | so is it started at all besides the models? |
| 23:41.24 | Skizot | yeah |
| 23:41.30 | Skizot | I have a playable version already |
| 23:41.34 | Ashamed | nice :) |
| 23:41.39 | Ashamed | what is it goign to be ? |
| 23:41.43 | Ashamed | or you keeping that a secret? |
| 23:41.48 | Skizot | no menus nothing yet.. but it works ingmae so i r happy |
| 23:42.00 | Skizot | a simple rc car sim. |
| 23:42.13 | Skizot | pick wheels, chassis and body and then go jump shit. |
| 23:42.14 | Ashamed | ok so all the props make sense now :) |
| 23:42.30 | Skizot | i figured the rc car controller would be a give away. |
| 23:42.35 | Skizot | noone seems to notice it XD |
| 23:42.49 | Ashamed | well i just thought it was random shit |
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| 23:43.00 | Skizot | the ramps? |
| 23:43.05 | Ashamed | i more thought skate boarding |
| 23:43.12 | Skizot | I mean has NOONE made a cinderblock ramp before? |
| 23:43.16 | Ashamed | but then i thought there was too much weird stuff |
| 23:43.40 | Skizot | I am about to take my sc2 videos down :( |
| 23:43.53 | Skizot | I'm tired of getting messgaes asking me to make people shit. |
| 23:43.59 | Ashamed | NO DONT |
| 23:44.01 | Ashamed | make me SHIT |
| 23:44.19 | Skizot | gives Ashamed a laxative. |
| 23:44.26 | Ashamed | :) why ty |
| 23:44.33 | JManV | wow that was easy |
| 23:44.35 | Ashamed | exactly what i needed |
| 23:44.38 | JManV | my internet's gonna reset tho |
| 23:44.43 | Ashamed | by jman! |
| 23:44.46 | Ashamed | bye* |
| 23:45.09 | Ashamed | but for realz skiz i got this model that has your name on it! |
| 23:45.25 | Ashamed | lol |
| 23:45.26 | Ashamed | just joking |
| 23:45.28 | Skizot | ....... |
| 23:45.39 | Skizot | i have a model with my name on it to. |
| 23:45.42 | Ashamed | but for realz |
| 23:45.46 | Skizot | it's the tool box XD |
| 23:45.50 | Ashamed | i got this one model i reallly really NEED! |
| 23:46.10 | Ashamed | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:46.17 | Ashamed | i can do pretty sick web design |
| 23:47.28 | Ashamed | http://67.173.241.220:8080/Websites/banner.jpg |
| 23:47.32 | Ashamed | my latest work right there |
| 23:48.06 | Skizot | MINE EYES |
| 23:48.14 | Skizot | ZE GOGGLES! ZEY DO NUTZING! |
| 23:48.27 | Ashamed | what ? |
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| 23:49.50 | Ashamed | so you think i gots what it takes skiz ? can i model? |
| 23:50.07 | deathnight114 | Are there any good spriters in here? |
| 23:50.16 | deathnight114 | Me and a few friend's are making a game and we are low on spriters |
| 23:50.18 | deathnight114 | http://i55.tinypic.com/2iqz8fd.png |
| 23:50.36 | Skizot | i prefer dr. pepper to sprite. sorry. |
| 23:50.45 | deathnight114 | Mountain dew > All |
| 23:51.03 | Skizot | good luck on your low sperm count. |
| 23:51.11 | Ashamed | yeah i am down for the pepper too |
| 23:51.25 | deathnight114 | lopl |
| 23:51.33 | deathnight114 | But seriously |
| 23:51.36 | deathnight114 | Any good spriters in here? |
| 23:51.47 | Ashamed | deathnight no one sprites anymore :( |
| 23:51.56 | deathnight114 | I know |
| 23:52.00 | Ashamed | wasn't onetwo messing with some sprites |
| 23:52.02 | Ashamed | at the begin of sc2 |
| 23:52.03 | deathnight114 | That's why our team is so fucking low |
| 23:52.04 | deathnight114 | Dx |
| 23:52.07 | Ashamed | i think he ported some sprites in it |
| 23:52.46 | Skizot | fyi deathnight114, alt+printscrn. |
| 23:52.48 | Skizot | use it. |
| 23:53.02 | deathnight114 | ? |
| 23:53.09 | deathnight114 | I wasn't the one who took the screenshot |
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| 23:53.15 | Skizot | well pass it on. |
| 23:53.18 | JManV | sweet |
| 23:53.26 | JademusSreg | What the hell is Locke doing there at Nowhere In Particular? |
| 23:53.42 | JManV | i doubled my upload bandwidth |
| 23:53.59 | JManV | so we should be able to vent tomorrow |
| 23:54.27 | JademusSreg | "You beat this quest, now fuck off." <3 |
| 23:54.35 | JademusSreg | Love the debug tracking messages. |
| 23:54.41 | deathnight114 | LOL |
| 23:56.31 | JademusSreg | So what is that? A game or just fucking around? |
| 23:56.50 | deathnight114 | hm? |
| 23:56.56 | deathnight114 | It's a 2d game that we're making |
| 23:57.08 | deathnight114 | We got everything we need on the team accept spriters |
| 23:57.19 | JademusSreg | except |
| 23:57.25 | deathnight114 | kjl;b |
| 23:57.34 | deathnight114 | lol |
| 23:57.37 | Skizot | nelsons up. |
| 23:57.41 | Skizot | HA HA! |
| 23:57.48 | deathnight114 | If anyone's interested in spriting pm me |
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| 23:58.14 | JademusSreg | What is it about? The image worries me. D= |
| 23:58.33 | deathnight114 | Kinda like a final fantasy game |
| 23:58.35 | deathnight114 | lol |
| 23:59.21 | JademusSreg | But final fantasy hasn't had a good game in more than a decade, not counting new editions of old games. |
| 23:59.31 | JademusSreg | I guess that's besides the point, though. |
| 23:59.34 | deathnight114 | lol |
| 23:59.46 | deathnight114 | and the quest is just a quest example |
| 23:59.49 | deathnight114 | lol |
| 23:59.56 | JademusSreg | So it's Insert JRPG Trope Here: The Game? |
