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| 08:26.44 | deathnight114 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNP0D3wXFC4 - New song |
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| 09:05.05 | Griffin_ | Greetings |
| 09:05.10 | Griffin_ | wow there are sure a lot of people in here |
| 09:05.34 | Griffin_ | Sixen, thanks for the fast responses on the forums, and of course for all the good work you do there. |
| 09:05.46 | Griffin_ | Is there a public teamspeak / ventrilo / etc that belongs to sc2 mapster |
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| 09:07.55 | Griffin_ | I need some starcraft 2 editor help, anyone available |
| 09:08.08 | Sixen | hehe, no worries. |
| 09:08.19 | Sixen | I was about to go to sleep, but what's up? |
| 09:08.29 | Sixen | If it's quick I can try and help nao, otherwise someone else cna :P |
| 09:08.34 | Griffin_ | Sixen ::: currently i have a metalopolis map open - i earlier had a xel naga earlier |
| 09:08.36 | Griffin_ | so basically |
| 09:08.39 | Griffin_ | i had closed he xel earlier |
| 09:08.41 | Griffin_ | and want to see it |
| 09:08.52 | Griffin_ | but now when i exit, it asks me if i want to save my previous xel map too |
| 09:08.56 | Griffin_ | how can i view this map? |
| 09:09.04 | Sixen | Oh... uh... I think it's... Just go to File > |
| 09:09.10 | Sixen | All current maps open should be there |
| 09:09.42 | Griffin_ | yeah its not there but oh well |
| 09:09.51 | Griffin_ | i have a lot of questions but i will put them on the forum or ask you later |
| 09:09.53 | Griffin_ | gn dude |
| 09:10.09 | Griffin_ | is there a teamspeak or vent for sc2 mapster? |
| 09:10.44 | Vexal | i watched The Thing. |
| 09:11.30 | Griffin_ | OH! i figured it out, instead of file, its under window |
| 09:11.36 | Sixen | Oops ya |
| 09:11.40 | Sixen | Just opened my editor up to look :P |
| 09:11.51 | Sixen | So ya, under window ;p |
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| 09:13.06 | Griffin_ | Okay so sixen |
| 09:13.16 | Griffin_ | Is there a vent or teamspeak you guys' use |
| 09:13.23 | Griffin_ | Also i have a lot of issues |
| 09:13.32 | Sixen | hehe, we had a vent, but nobody used it |
| 09:13.33 | Griffin_ | I have been trying my best on all of these ::: |
| 09:13.36 | Sixen | JManV was working on getting another one up |
| 09:13.45 | Deaod | Vent :( |
| 09:13.52 | Griffin_ | I simply, want to give the exact same repair ability, of scv to the probe |
| 09:14.04 | Griffin_ | and the difference would be the name, and call it fabricate |
| 09:14.07 | Griffin_ | Refabricate |
| 09:14.26 | Sixen | Just copy the repair stuff from the SCV and paste to the probe? |
| 09:14.27 | Griffin_ | So its simply stuff like this, copy ability, new ability for probe, rename it to refabricate, and change race to protoss |
| 09:14.33 | Sixen | Or can you not Copy/paste in Data eeditor, I never tried |
| 09:14.48 | Griffin_ | how do u do this out of the data editor |
| 09:15.11 | Sixen | Open it up, click SCV, copy the stuff for Repair, find probe, hit paste? :P |
| 09:15.35 | Griffin_ | Also |
| 09:15.41 | Griffin_ | I want to change stimpack |
| 09:15.50 | Griffin_ | so that, instead of taking the health at the beginning |
| 09:15.57 | Griffin_ | you will only lose that same health right when the effect ends |
| 09:16.05 | Deaod | http://deaod.de/BitwiseOperators.txt |
| 09:16.08 | Sixen | data editor also |
| 09:16.09 | Griffin_ | the last thing is, if that loss of hp would kill the unit, it will still die |
| 09:16.27 | Griffin_ | like if a marine has 1 hp, he wont get fizzled and go down to 1, he will die |
| 09:16.34 | Sixen | nice deaod :D |
| 09:16.36 | Sixen | :D* |
| 09:16.59 | Deaod | shifts coming soon (TM) |
| 09:17.20 | Sixen | =] |
| 09:17.33 | Vexal | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/2301631836 |
| 09:17.36 | Vexal | why. |
| 09:17.39 | Griffin_ | When you say all of this copy paste etc with the repair, I am not following you :: how DO i do this outside of the data editor |
| 09:18.06 | Sixen | You do it IN the Data Editor |
| 09:18.08 | Vexal | Griffin_ what was the question |
| 09:18.08 | Deaod | rodrigo is so damn random. |
| 09:18.13 | Sixen | ya.. |
| 09:18.44 | Griffin_ | I simply, want to give the exact same repair ability, of scv to the probe [02:14] <Griffin_> and the difference would be the name, and call it fabricate [02:14] <Griffin_> Refabricate |
| 09:19.02 | Vexal | what are you having trouble with? |
| 09:19.11 | Griffin_ | it's just not showing up ingame |
| 09:19.13 | Vexal | p.s. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duFE75pDLFw "preview" of my TD. |
| 09:19.14 | Griffin_ | and the name isnt different |
| 09:19.22 | Vexal | did you give it a button on the command card? |
| 09:19.36 | Griffin_ | yes but lemme work at it again |
| 09:19.44 | Griffin_ | btw, while i work |
| 09:19.51 | Griffin_ | so far this is great :: sc2 mapster i mean |
| 09:19.59 | Vexal | :: scope operator? |
| 09:20.01 | Griffin_ | places and their irc chats, like the hive workshop, are down right TERRIBLE |
| 09:20.28 | Sixen | hehe |
| 09:20.31 | Deaod | THW has been terrible ever since wc3sear.ch went down. |
| 09:20.38 | Deaod | meh |
| 09:20.41 | Griffin_ | i am NEVER going to THW again |
| 09:20.44 | Griffin_ | irc i mean |
| 09:20.46 | Deaod | probably was terrible even before then |
| 09:20.48 | Vexal | i'm usually not helpful. |
| 09:20.53 | Deaod | they dont even have IRC |
| 09:21.00 | Vexal | when my adderall and prozac wear off i'm just an asshole. |
| 09:21.03 | Griffin_ | THW definitely has IRC |
| 09:21.05 | Deaod | just some AJAX based chat. |
| 09:21.08 | Griffin_ | its up at the top , press chat |
| 09:21.14 | Deaod | i know, i know. |
| 09:21.22 | Deaod | its just not based on IRC |
| 09:21.25 | Griffin_ | The problem with THW chat is that, its just complete spam, of nonsense |
| 09:21.29 | Griffin_ | and socialites |
| 09:21.46 | Deaod | well, youll mainly find WC3 modders on that site |
| 09:21.58 | Deaod | and many of them have known each other for ages |
| 09:22.13 | Griffin_ | okay so vexal, is there a way to inspect the repair ability, "outside" the data editor |
| 09:22.16 | Deaod | so its rough as a newcomer to integrate. |
| 09:22.21 | Griffin_ | like on the unit / doodad selector mini thing |
| 09:22.25 | Vexal | what do you mean outside the data editor |
| 09:22.27 | Griffin_ | or deaod too |
| 09:22.35 | Griffin_ | like on the front screen where u see the map and units |
| 09:22.54 | Vexal | to what purpose? |
| 09:23.00 | Griffin_ | nvm then |
| 09:23.00 | Deaod | well, you can look at the raw XML data, i guess. |
| 09:23.07 | Griffin_ | Also |
| 09:23.27 | Griffin_ | earlier i tried to rename the mother ships vortex to :: Maw of the Void, and it didnt work |
| 09:23.45 | Griffin_ | and recall to::: Matriarch's Plea |
| 09:24.04 | Sixen | Deaod: What's the link going to be for the Shifts? |
| 09:24.13 | Sixen | I'm about to go to sleep but I wanna check it out :P |
| 09:24.23 | Sixen | And... are you writing up anymore? :D |
| 09:24.38 | Deaod | shifts are going to be added to BitwiseOperators.txt |
| 09:24.43 | Sixen | ah OK |
| 09:24.50 | Deaod | well see |
| 09:24.53 | Sixen | okeydokey |
| 09:24.54 | Deaod | about more. |
| 09:25.06 | Sixen | If you do anymore, lemme know. This is stuff I want to add to the wiki! |
| 09:25.44 | Deaod | yeah, its stuff newbies regularly get confused about. |
| 09:26.18 | Deaod | but what the hell, my explanation might not be as good as any other you can find on the web |
| 09:26.52 | Deaod | its not rocketscience and dozens of other languages do the same shit |
| 09:26.55 | Sixen | ;p |
| 09:30.42 | Vexal | what shit? |
| 09:30.57 | Vexal | i started learning klingon. |
| 09:33.15 | Deaod | bitwise operations like and, or, xor, shl, shr, not |
| 09:35.34 | Vexal | klingons like binary. |
| 09:36.02 | Vexal | except they don't call it binary. they call it glok'lath |
| 09:42.08 | Griffin_ | Okay so |
| 09:42.14 | Griffin_ | i successfully gave probe the repair |
| 09:42.19 | Griffin_ | button and all and renamed |
| 09:42.31 | Griffin_ | but now ingame its not letting me repair anything but hurt terran structures and units |
| 09:42.37 | Griffin_ | i want it to be able to repair toss too |
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| 09:47.17 | Vexal | check its targets flag. |
| 09:48.41 | Griffin_ | ty vexal |
| 09:49.46 | Griffin_ | FieldProbe - Refabricate UI - Default ErrorMust target a damaged Terran mechanical unit. |
| 09:49.58 | Griffin_ | i cant find anything better to change this too |
| 09:49.59 | Griffin_ | to |
| 09:53.37 | Vexal | ? |
| 09:53.46 | Griffin_ | Yeah , in GAME standard, the scv can repair toss mechanical |
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| 09:53.51 | Griffin_ | but my copy, probe repair, cant |
| 09:54.03 | Griffin_ | totally stumped |
| 09:56.32 | Vexal | did you set the flags of the original, or of the copy.. |
| 09:58.20 | Griffin_ | i completely duplicated the scv repair |
| 09:58.21 | Griffin_ | BUT |
| 09:58.26 | Griffin_ | the scv repair can repair toss units |
| 09:58.34 | Griffin_ | so why couldnt my duplicate |
| 09:59.03 | Vexal | did you duplicate it before or after you edited it |
| 09:59.15 | Griffin_ | before |
| 09:59.24 | Griffin_ | i duplicated the untouched natural scv repair |
| 09:59.33 | Griffin_ | and then renamed, edited etc this brand new one |
| 09:59.47 | Vexal | did you edit the copy? |
| 09:59.50 | Griffin_ | yes |
| 09:59.54 | Griffin_ | just the name etc |
| 10:00.01 | Vexal | did you edit the target flags? |
| 10:00.10 | Vexal | just check to make sure you gave everything the correct one. |
| 10:00.15 | tordy | vexal |
| 10:00.16 | Griffin_ | not yet, because ive looked over them and see nothing fishy |
| 10:00.16 | Vexal | it sounds like you gave something the wrong thing somewhere. |
| 10:00.17 | Vexal | yeah? |
| 10:00.26 | tordy | do you know what camera mousescrol controls |
| 10:00.35 | Vexal | nope. |
| 10:00.39 | Vexal | Griffin_ check again. |
| 10:00.54 | Vexal | tordy can you rephrase the question. |
| 10:01.14 | tordy | i want to change the camera so mosuescroll only changes the cam disatance |
| 10:01.16 | tordy | not the angle fo attack |
| 10:01.26 | Vexal | i have no experience with cameras. |
| 10:02.16 | Vexal | some idiot keeps emailing me asking to buy an unlock in my map. |
| 10:04.35 | Griffin_ | what map of yours is it / and do u have any super famous maps? |
| 10:05.38 | tordy | xd why does he need to buy it when he can just open it through the cache |
| 10:06.50 | Griffin_ | VEXAL nvm |
| 10:06.52 | Griffin_ | no problem |
| 10:07.01 | Griffin_ | the problem was!!! protoss structures are not mechanical |
| 10:07.08 | Vexal | vexal tower defense |
| 10:07.39 | Vexal | it was on the first page for 3-4 months, now it's on page 2. |
| 10:08.49 | Griffin_ | the sc2 rating system sux :P |
| 10:09.03 | Vexal | i like it. |
| 10:09.09 | Vexal | i've found success so i have nothing to complain about. |
| 10:09.21 | Vexal | i'm going to eventually have 10 maps on page 1 concurrently. |
| 10:10.12 | Griffin_ | grats |
| 10:10.25 | Vexal | yep. pretty soon everyone else will just stop trying. |
| 10:10.30 | Vexal | since there's really no point. |
| 10:28.28 | A1win | yeah might as well stop already |
| 10:30.03 | Vexal | yup. |
| 10:32.40 | tordy | how do youg et the camera distance of a player? |
| 10:32.50 | tordy | how do you get the current camera distance of a player? |
| 10:32.54 | tordy | as a real |
| 10:34.23 | A1win | I don't know if you even can, all I've managed to get is yaw, pitch and target position |
| 10:36.07 | tordy | :( |
| 10:36.40 | A1win | I'm guessing it doesn't even send that info to the server |
| 10:42.43 | Griffin_ | How can i edit buttons |
| 10:42.54 | Griffin_ | I cant find anywhere to rename the button::: Cloaking Field, that the mothership uses |
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| 10:44.10 | Vexal | buttons tab |
| 10:44.53 | tordy | can i make a behavior change unit's color |
| 10:44.56 | tordy | tint |
| 10:45.08 | tordy | is there an actor event for all of em? |
| 10:45.15 | tordy | >:)}| |
| 10:45.23 | Griffin_ | where is buttons tab vexal |
| 10:45.30 | Griffin_ | found it nvm |
| 10:56.39 | Griffin_ | Can anyone help me make it so that stimpack is now backwards to where, you lose that health afterwards instead of at the beginning |
| 11:00.10 | tordy | yo wass |
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| 11:13.53 | Bounty | HAI GUYS |
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| 11:17.29 | Vexal | .. |
| 11:17.33 | Bounty | ... |
| 11:17.37 | Vexal | .... |
| 11:17.40 | Bounty | ..... |
| 11:17.44 | Vexal | ? |
| 11:17.45 | Bounty | ....... |
| 11:17.48 | Bounty | ah |
| 11:17.51 | Bounty | ? |
| 11:17.51 | Vexal | i see. |
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| 11:20.29 | Bounty | I love how i cant find a single mp3 of the Mortal Kombat song that doesnt have sound issues |
| 11:27.03 | Bounty | I wish there was a button in the editor that would just project the terrain i have in my head onto the map itself |
| 11:27.10 | tordy | sweet man |
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| 11:45.14 | A1win | any way to edit the hostile enemy AI in data editor so that the units will try to chase their enemies longer than the default? |
| 11:55.54 | Bounty | i think there is something in the unit editor |
| 11:55.58 | Bounty | for how long a unit will chase someone |
| 11:56.07 | Bounty | its either in the units tab or weapons |
| 12:00.14 | Griffin_ | Hello i have a question anyone here |
| 12:00.24 | Bounty | i am |
| 12:00.30 | Griffin_ | TY - Hard to explain: |
| 12:00.39 | Griffin_ | The marine currently in standard play |
| 12:00.47 | Griffin_ | can do a fast succession of attack + move + attack |
| 12:00.51 | Griffin_ | of shots, with micro |
| 12:01.02 | Griffin_ | without touching the cooldown of attack |
| 12:01.05 | Griffin_ | how can i weaken this |
| 12:01.12 | Griffin_ | like increase its animation so u cant move |
| 12:01.27 | Griffin_ | i want to weak the attack + move + attack |
| 12:01.40 | Bounty | i think u would just edit his attack speed |
| 12:01.45 | Griffin_ | is it the back swing or damage point |
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| 12:06.07 | A1win | Bounty, seemed to be the move ability follow acquire range and range slop |
| 12:06.28 | A1win | slop for when it loses sight of the unit, so when I increased the slop, they followed me up a ramp etc. |
| 12:07.09 | A1win | now I just need some way to link units as a group so medics and such won't leave behind <.< |
| 12:11.13 | MrOp | night everyone |
| 12:13.05 | A1win | would it be possible to create a behavior that'd cause a unit to always move close to another of that player's ability if it's not doing anything else D: |
| 12:17.13 | Bounty | Is there anyway to export WoW models with weapons pre attached? |
| 12:20.33 | A1win | pff medics are an annoying enemy, maybe I'll just not use them at all |
| 12:27.56 | A1win | how can I set the radius at which enemies "call for help" when taking damage? |
| 12:38.20 | Vestras | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/third-party-tools/20068-grape-sc2-programming-language/?unread |
| 12:38.24 | Vestras | gogogogogo |
| 12:41.53 | A1win | ahh found it, in gameplay data |
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| 12:51.42 | Griffin_ | Anyone here good with editing attack stats? - particularly attack damage point + back swing |
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| 13:09.43 | Griffin_ | hello any1 there |
| 13:10.03 | Griffin_ | If any1 can log onto SC2, i want to show an issue on my map |
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| 13:13.10 | Griffin_ | I have some sc2 editor questions |
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| 13:33.41 | airtonix | Vestras: why does that look like Lua/Java/Python ? |
| 13:34.16 | airtonix | having to define data types in the argument list makes me puke |
| 13:36.01 | Vestras | idk |
| 13:36.03 | Vestras | and idc |
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| 13:40.37 | grim001 | ... |
| 13:41.55 | Vestras | hai grim |
| 13:42.52 | JademusSreg | 546546546546546546546800000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000.+ |
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| 13:55.05 | Bounty | What do you guys think is better, more classes or more weapons/abilities |
| 14:00.37 | Kueken | depends |
| 14:00.55 | Kueken | d2 does well with 5 classes and tons and tons of items |
| 14:01.13 | Kueken | dota uses slightly more heroes ;) |
| 14:02.29 | Bounty | for a TPS |
| 14:02.33 | Bounty | say |
| 14:02.38 | Bounty | a TPS Tower Defense |
| 14:02.44 | Bounty | or something like that |
| 14:02.54 | Kueken | hird person shooter tower defense? |
| 14:02.57 | Kueken | *t |
| 14:02.58 | Bounty | yeah |
| 14:03.24 | Kueken | no idea what this would be like xD |
| 14:03.28 | Bounty | lol |
| 14:03.46 | Bounty | well just off the top of ur head |
| 14:03.49 | Bounty | more abilities or more classes |
| 14:04.18 | Kueken | ... |
| 14:04.22 | Kueken | abilities |
| 14:04.34 | Kueken | make sure the classes are interesting |
| 14:05.00 | Bounty | im thinking 3 classes |
| 14:05.51 | Bounty | or maybe just one and u buy weapons |
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| 15:00.55 | JademusSreg | I awaken. |
| 15:01.27 | JademusSreg | Seems my daughter was banging on the keyboard while I slept. |
| 15:09.45 | grim001 | syntax highlighting and autocomplete are almost finished. |
| 15:10.10 | grim001 | just trying to add constants now. |
| 15:12.23 | Deaod | Jade, can you read over this and tell me if it is understandable? http://deaod.de/BitwiseOperators.txt |
| 15:12.53 | JademusSreg | Once I get back from my family breakfast. |
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| 15:25.56 | JademusSreg | Back. |
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| 15:33.15 | JademusSreg | So far so good Deaod. I think the bitwise operators could have more extensive examples. For instance, showing the bitwise operation in action, values in demical and binary, and the results in expression, decimal, and binary. |
| 15:34.38 | JademusSreg | Like in Bitwise OR, beside the ints A and B, show the binary representation. Beside C, show the results of the expression in binary. And beneath C show the value of C in decimal. |
| 15:35.20 | Deaod | mkay |
| 15:35.58 | Deaod | shower first though. |
| 15:35.59 | Deaod | brb |
| 15:36.50 | JademusSreg | I wonder if we can perform multiple bitshift operations in the same expression. |
| 15:38.38 | JademusSreg | Anyway, time to play some Fallout New Vegas. |
| 15:38.41 | grim001 | woohoo, it's done. |
| 15:38.54 | grim001 | syntax highlighting and autocomplete for all of the functions and constants. |
| 15:38.55 | JademusSreg | Orly? |
| 15:39.00 | JademusSreg | Nice. |
| 15:39.09 | JademusSreg | I'll look into that when I return. |
| 15:40.12 | grim001 | time to go eat lunch. |
| 15:51.04 | Deaod | back. |
| 15:51.14 | Tobin- | Does anyone know hwo i can prevent a unit from seeing down cliffs? I tried putting LOS (line of sight) blockers across the ledge, but it didn't work. |
| 15:52.19 | Tobin- | Also was wondering if there was a better way to block LOS then using the Invisible LOS doodad. |
| 16:08.38 | Vestras | Deaod |
| 16:08.45 | Vestras | Help me write the code generation for grape |
| 16:09.02 | Deaod | im already consumed by my own parser |
| 16:09.06 | Vestras | Ok |
| 16:11.03 | Hati | oh |
| 16:11.07 | Hati | forgot to set time back |
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| 17:16.20 | grim001 | I am back |
| 17:18.46 | grim001 | so who wants the ultimate notepad++ autocomplete/syntax highlighting for galaxy? |
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| 17:23.00 | Mexa | Good evenin' |
| 17:27.07 | grim001 | mexa do you use notepad++? |
| 17:27.18 | Mexa | Sometimes, yeah |
| 17:27.29 | Mexa | But mostly visual studio |
| 17:27.56 | Mexa | Want me to check something? |
| 17:30.28 | grim001 | I just finished an autocomplete/style setup for galaxy in notepad++ |
| 17:30.34 | Mexa | oh |
| 17:30.43 | Mexa | cool |
| 17:30.58 | Mexa | And it is ready for release? |
| 17:31.27 | grim001 | yes, it's finished |
| 17:31.55 | Mexa | Nice |
| 17:32.18 | Mexa | Where can I find it already:P? |
| 17:32.47 | grim001 | I guess I need to make a forum post about it |
| 17:32.50 | grim001 | but I'll dropbox it for now |
| 17:33.22 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 17:33.27 | JademusSreg | I do. |
| 17:35.00 | lomar | anyone up for testing on EU now? |
| 17:35.28 | grim001 | Jademus, it still uses the black background, so it'll probably clash with your other styles |
| 17:35.38 | grim001 | but you can at least see how it's meant to be seen for a bit :P |
| 17:38.07 | grim001 | bleh got to make a short readme for setting it up |
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| 17:43.41 | Verethragna | hi |
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| 17:45.57 | Mexa | grim001, if you manage to have it all done before, about 25min, it would be great. I am going for the train, and is going to sit there for about 2½hours |
| 17:46.11 | Mexa | Playing around with what you got would be useful during the time:) |
| 17:46.32 | tordy | hello mexa |
| 17:46.39 | Mexa | Hey tordy |
| 17:47.25 | Verethragna | has anyone any experience with force-effects? |
| 17:48.09 | grim001 | OK, I'm just finishing up the text file and zipping it at the moment |
| 17:48.30 | Mexa | great! |
| 17:49.17 | Verethragna | i tried to make a knockback (worked), but the units always turn in the direction they are knocked in : / |
| 17:51.26 | Verethragna | when i check "suppress turning" in the behavior i added to them they don´t get knocked back at all : / |
| 17:58.52 | Mexa | Brb |
| 18:01.31 | Bounty | how do u lower a doodads selection radius in the editor |
| 18:05.24 | Bounty | neone? |
| 18:05.52 | grim001 | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22137420/Notepad%2B%2B%20Galaxy%20Package.zip |
| 18:07.04 | Bounty | alrighty then |
| 18:09.47 | Mexa | grim001, nice, setting it up right now |
| 18:10.15 | grim001 | I corrected the numbering on the readme just now |
| 18:10.38 | Mexa | What was wrong? |
| 18:11.25 | grim001 | meh it's still wrong. a couple off-by-1 errors. |
| 18:11.28 | grim001 | but its still understandable. |
| 18:11.51 | A1win | mmh I'm not sure if ramps and cliffs are even good for this kind of gameplay... you can't really take advantage of them when the enemy is just defending and you only got one unit ;p |
| 18:12.42 | A1win | and going up a ramp is often too much of a surprise |
| 18:13.26 | grim001 | now the readme is correct. |
| 18:15.02 | Mexa | grim001 |
| 18:15.17 | Mexa | I always disliked notepad++ for a particular drawback |
| 18:15.43 | Mexa | Custom languages are not setup at all very nicely regarding colors, if you are using a custom theme. |
| 18:16.11 | Mexa | As in your case, the background behind the words are in another color than usual |
| 18:16.41 | grim001 | mexa, did you actually follow all the directions? |
| 18:16.46 | grim001 | because that would not be the case if you did. |
| 18:16.46 | Mexa | yes |
| 18:16.53 | grim001 | either that or my directions are missing a step |
| 18:17.06 | Mexa | I followed all steps but the optional part |
| 18:17.21 | grim001 | well, this is why I wanted someone to test, got to fix an issue like this. |
| 18:17.32 | grim001 | so the area behind the letters doesn't match the dark background? |
| 18:17.47 | Mexa | grim001, I am using the obsidian theme, perhaps it is configured to be global¨ |
| 18:17.54 | Mexa | Ow shoot |
| 18:17.59 | Mexa | I'll have to talk with you later |
| 18:18.03 | Mexa | I gtg really now :/ |
| 18:19.00 | grim001 | Um he didn't follow the directions, maybe I need to make it more clear that only certain steps are optional. |
| 18:20.54 | grim001 | OK, I need a second tester... |
| 18:21.51 | tordy | what are we testin |
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| 18:37.19 | grim001 | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22137420/SyntaxDemoPic.png |
| 18:37.24 | grim001 | If anyone is curious what it looks like. |
| 18:38.25 | grim001 | Now I have further improved the installation instructions, I dare anyone to mess them up |
| 18:38.34 | grim001 | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22137420/Notepad%2B%2B%20Galaxy%20Package.zip |
| 18:40.36 | tordy | i messed up |
| 18:40.49 | grim001 | i doubt it |
| 18:44.12 | JademusSreg | I'll take a look when I get back from the gym. |
| 18:52.29 | Tobin- | Can someone tell me what ability type to use for a toggled ability? |
| 18:52.34 | Deaod | single quoted strings are char values |
| 18:52.57 | Deaod | and they cant have more than one char in them |
| 18:53.14 | Deaod | and they cant be converted into strings |
| 18:58.59 | JademusSreg | Tobin, Overlord generate creep is a toggleable ability. |
| 18:59.02 | JademusSreg | bbl |
| 19:04.27 | tordy | sup bro |
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| 19:11.58 | Stewox | ~seen sockfolder |
| 19:12.00 | purl | i haven't seen 'sockfolder', Stewox |
| 19:12.11 | Stewox | ~seen bounty |
| 19:12.12 | purl | bounty <442d304d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.45.48.77> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 1h 5m 8s ago, saying: 'alrighty then'. |
| 19:12.45 | Stewox | purl is bounty the creator of SpeedCraft |
| 19:13.11 | Stewox | the F-Zero themed mod ? |
| 19:13.43 | tordy | WOAH |
| 19:13.54 | JademusSreg | Not exactly. |
| 19:14.03 | JademusSreg | But it is inspired by F Zero. |
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| 19:23.36 | grim001 | you back from the gym now jademus? |
| 19:25.23 | grim001 | I need at least 1 person to test that the directions work before I go ahead and publish this thing.. |
| 19:26.06 | Tobin- | i can, NA? |
| 19:26.28 | grim001 | ok, go ahead and try it out |
| 19:26.39 | grim001 | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22137420/Notepad%2B%2B%20Galaxy%20Package.zip |
| 19:27.56 | Tobin- | huh? |
| 19:28.05 | Tobin- | if your doing a local test why cant you jsut test it. |
| 19:28.19 | Helral | Tobin-: behavior ability (if it's on/off) |
| 19:28.30 | Tobin- | yup i figured it out, thanks helral |
| 19:28.40 | Tobin- | althought i cant get it to turn off when unit runs out of energy. |
| 19:28.49 | Helral | ow you asked it 30 mins ago ;p |
| 19:29.03 | Helral | just check what they dfid for ghost cloak |
| 19:29.16 | Tobin- | toggle, transient? |
| 19:29.32 | Helral | since that is also a behavior ability which turns off when the ghost runs out of energy |
| 19:29.40 | Bounty | Can anyone explain to me why you cant specify a dialog item in the "Dialog Item is Used" trigger event |
| 19:29.57 | Bounty | Variables wont show up |
| 19:30.02 | Helral | because the event is generated at map init. |
| 19:30.07 | Helral | and not during runtime. |
| 19:30.16 | Helral | well before map init even. |
| 19:30.34 | Helral | you can use a condition with which you filter the dialog buttons. |
| 19:30.40 | Helral | dialog items* |
| 19:30.40 | Bounty | i know |
| 19:30.43 | Bounty | i just dont like doing that lol |
| 19:30.51 | Helral | then manually create the event |
| 19:31.01 | Bounty | lol? |
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| 19:31.28 | Helral | CreateTriggerEvent.... stuff. it's galaxy coded though. |
| 19:31.36 | Bounty | no ty lol |
| 19:31.38 | grim001 | Tobin because I don't feel like wiping out my Notepad++ installation. |
| 19:31.55 | grim001 | plus it's a test of whether other people can follow the directions. |
| 19:37.04 | grim001 | damn I forgot an important step in the readme. |
| 19:37.12 | Helral | hahaha |
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| 19:42.28 | Tobin- | oh i figured it out, thanks helral |
| 19:42.38 | Demonette | Hi bodyevery |
| 19:42.56 | Tobin- | ok grim001 testing map right now. |
| 19:43.36 | grim001 | it's not a map. |
| 19:43.45 | Helral | Bounty, Stewox is asking ya something. |
| 19:44.10 | Tobin- | yup just realized that |
| 19:44.13 | Tobin- | what do i do with it? |
| 19:47.14 | grim001 | first of all, delete it. |
| 19:47.33 | grim001 | second of all, redownload it because I updated the readme file. |
| 19:47.40 | grim001 | third, read the readme file. |
| 19:52.02 | Vestras | how |
| 19:52.05 | Vestras | grim |
| 19:52.09 | Vestras | how is cosmos?= |
| 19:52.43 | grim001 | first i stopped working on it, then I decided I would make a simple preprocessor, then I decided that even a simple preprocessor needs an AST, then I decided I'd make the AST builder and go from there. |
| 19:53.22 | grim001 | in other words it's not very far along. |
| 19:53.29 | Vestras | okay |
| 19:53.33 | Vestras | what are you working on then? |
| 19:55.21 | Tobin- | redownload from same link ? |
| 19:55.32 | grim001 | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/galaxy-scripting-and-trigger-lib/20090-updated-autocomplete-and-syntax-highlighting-for-galaxy/#p1 |
| 19:55.40 | grim001 | Vestras, I just finished that. |
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| 19:56.14 | Vestras | oh, sweet |
| 19:56.38 | Vestras | do you haveno galaxy extensions or programs in the making? |
| 19:57.34 | grim001 | now that I've finished that, I am in the formative stages of creating a parser for slightly modified galaxy |
| 19:57.49 | grim001 | in other words, galaxy without the parts that are insane and shouldn't be allowed to compile, or the broken parts. |
| 19:57.52 | Vestras | how "slightly modified"? |
| 19:57.56 | Vestras | ah, okay :P |
| 19:58.02 | Vestras | did you look at grape? |
| 19:58.24 | grim001 | yes I saw that you're up to the part where you need to generate the galaxy code |
| 19:58.30 | grim001 | that seems like the easiest part to me :P |
| 19:58.42 | Vestras | D: |
| 19:58.47 | Vestras | why don't you help me then? |
| 19:59.01 | grim001 | it would probably be a good idea for you to learn galaxy yourself you know.. |
| 19:59.07 | grim001 | its not very complicated anyway |
| 19:59.09 | Vestras | I realize |
| 19:59.22 | Vestras | But I don't know how I would make inheritance and memory alloc |
| 19:59.29 | Vestras | It's not like I don't know programming |
| 19:59.34 | grim001 | depends on what you plan on allowing |
| 19:59.43 | Vestras | I just don't know the limitations and possibilities (if any) of galaxy |
| 19:59.43 | Vestras | well |
| 19:59.46 | grim001 | I can provide feedback on how you ought to design the output galaxy code |
| 19:59.47 | Vestras | serius and I talked about it |
| 19:59.53 | grim001 | but I don't have time to actually code anything |
| 20:00.06 | Vestras | and he suggested something like having a default size for classes and have their members be arrays |
| 20:00.13 | Vestras | then users can specify a custom size |
| 20:00.20 | grim001 | do you plan to allow multiple inheritance? |
| 20:00.21 | Vestras | and maybe if user exceeds size |
| 20:00.29 | grim001 | or just simple classes with single inheritance |
| 20:00.30 | Vestras | throw a warning and use data tables instead |
| 20:00.39 | Vestras | a class can inherit one class only |
| 20:00.59 | grim001 | if you are doing single inheritance you should probably stick with arrays |
| 20:01.09 | Vestras | okay |
| 20:01.15 | Vestras | what do you think of the datatable stuff? |
| 20:01.24 | grim001 | there was a time when the memory limit would be prohibitive but I believe they fixed it |
| 20:01.46 | grim001 | datatables are fast enough, you could conceivably make your entire language compile to them if you felt like it. |
| 20:01.54 | grim001 | but arrays are a bit faster. |
| 20:02.25 | grim001 | datatables have the benefit of no size limitations. |
| 20:03.48 | grim001 | well, my idea for Cosmos was: |
| 20:04.05 | grim001 | structs compile to arrays and you must declare a size limit, default 128 or so |
| 20:04.18 | grim001 | if you go over the limit, same thing as vjass structs, you just get warnings. |
| 20:04.49 | grim001 | classes would be separate and would compile to datatables to make the advanced features much easier to implement. |
| 20:05.18 | Vestras | okay |
| 20:05.24 | Vestras | what were the advanced features? |
| 20:06.20 | grim001 | well, for one thing I wanted to allow multiple inheritance, that alone makes it necessary to use datatables. |
| 20:06.27 | Vestras | okay |
| 20:06.46 | Vestras | I think I will do the array into datatable thing |
| 20:06.59 | grim001 | automatically or explicitly? |
| 20:07.11 | Vestras | automatically |
| 20:07.40 | grim001 | how are you going to know at compile time if they will wind up exceeding the size limit? :P |
| 20:07.54 | grim001 | you mean some kind of threshold size that is considered too big for arrays? |
| 20:08.04 | grim001 | seems like it'd make more sense as an explicit user choice |
| 20:08.13 | Vestras | I won't know at compile time |
| 20:08.15 | grim001 | thus the keyword "struct" vs "class" in my idea |
| 20:08.17 | Vestras | it'll be in the code |
| 20:08.32 | Vestras | grape doesn't have structs |
| 20:08.33 | grim001 | you're going to make it copy everything over to datatables the instant it exceeds the size limit? |
| 20:09.59 | Vestras | yeah |
| 20:10.07 | Vestras | is it stupid? |
| 20:10.14 | grim001 | never thought of that before |
| 20:10.25 | grim001 | but it seems to me that the user would probably know ahead of time which one they want it to use |
| 20:11.01 | Vestras | I guess |
| 20:11.06 | Vestras | maybe I should make an option |
| 20:11.09 | grim001 | and some people would be worried it suddenly having to copy 128 entries from X arrays whenever they do something |
| 20:11.45 | grim001 | the compiled code would probably need some extra checks as well |
| 20:12.09 | Vestras | yeah |
| 20:12.12 | Vestras | would make the map large |
| 20:12.14 | Vestras | I guess |
| 20:12.41 | tordy | BEDEEPBEDEP |
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| 20:15.35 | grim001 | what did i miss |
| 20:16.54 | tordy | mwe |
| 20:34.51 | lefix | are there any other hidden tilesets in galaxy besides nilfheim? |
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| 20:46.27 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 20:50.15 | Vexal | . |
| 20:51.12 | A1win | JademusSreg, I've been testing around with cliffs and came to the conclusion that they suck for this kind of gameplay :P so procedural generation doesn't seem such a bad alternative anymore... |
| 20:52.05 | A1win | but well I'll play around more with static test missions first to figure out the best solution |
| 20:54.03 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 20:54.07 | JademusSreg | Sounds good. |
| 20:55.15 | JademusSreg | At least we have a good walkability workaround. |
| 20:55.28 | A1win | hmm? |
| 20:55.33 | tordy | JademusSreg: read my bak |
| 20:56.16 | JademusSreg | A1, flattened mar sara bridge, opacity 0 is a good walkability plane. =D |
| 20:56.29 | A1win | ah :x |
| 20:56.33 | JademusSreg | tordy, I is tired from gym. Synopsis? |
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| 20:56.42 | tordy | iuno |
| 20:56.59 | JademusSreg | A1, unfortunately, there aren't any model converters that support the walkability plane. |
| 20:57.10 | A1win | well I don't think I'd need that at all |
| 20:57.14 | JademusSreg | Which means there are no walkable custom models. |
| 20:57.16 | Sixen | anyone know offhand where I can change the shape of the pylon power source |
| 20:57.41 | JademusSreg | I doubt it Sixen. You could almost certainly fake it, though. |
| 20:58.09 | JademusSreg | A1, it would be needed if you want terrain height variation. |
| 20:58.13 | Sixen | Mmk |
| 20:58.55 | Hati | Sixen: splats |
| 20:59.06 | Sixen | what? :X |
| 20:59.07 | A1win | JademusSreg, yea but I don't ;p that's why I said now procedural generation seems viable, as it didn't before when I still wanted cliffs |
| 20:59.08 | Hati | so actors -> Pylon (search) -> one of the splats |
| 20:59.12 | Hati | splats = ground effects |
| 20:59.15 | Sixen | oh really? |
| 20:59.19 | JademusSreg | Splat is just the graphic. |
| 20:59.24 | grim001 | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/galaxy-scripting-and-trigger-lib/20090-updated-autocomplete-and-syntax-highlighting-for-galaxy/#p1 |
| 20:59.35 | Hati | thought that is what sixen looks for |
| 20:59.41 | JademusSreg | I thought you meant the functional area covered by a power source. |
| 20:59.47 | Hati | thats in behaviours |
| 20:59.55 | Sixen | I thought it was Pylon Source behavior |
| 21:00.00 | Sixen | But I can't do much with that |
| 21:00.27 | JademusSreg | grim, yep, I'm there right now. |
| 21:01.05 | Hati | Sixen: Field Pylon - Power Source |
| 21:01.06 | Hati | Radius 7.5 |
| 21:01.18 | JademusSreg | Hati, the shape, not the radius. |
| 21:01.19 | Sixen | Yeah, I played with that and nothing changes ;\ |
| 21:01.35 | Hati | yeah but you cannot change the shape (make it square) without some tricks |
| 21:01.41 | JademusSreg | Precisely. =D |
| 21:01.44 | JademusSreg | As I had said. |
| 21:01.46 | Sixen | :P |
| 21:01.55 | Hati | ie creating invisible units at certain distance with again more power source |
| 21:02.00 | JademusSreg | Yup. |
| 21:02.01 | Hati | to approximate a square |
| 21:02.15 | JademusSreg | I had the same idea. Wakka wakka |
| 21:02.34 | Sixen | Geez, what a pain in the ass |
| 21:02.35 | JademusSreg | Anyway, the actor would control the size of the splat, I expect. |
| 21:02.47 | grim001 | http://www.badassoftheweek.com/akaiwa.html |
| 21:03.06 | JManV | hey sixen - my thread has a poll on it that i can't remove. is there anything you can do about that? |
| 21:03.11 | Hati | JademusSreg: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkP_rOCBrpY&feature=feedu |
| 21:03.14 | Sixen | link? |
| 21:03.19 | JManV | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/project-workplace/16942-pokemon-style-game-with-sc2-units-full-banking/ |
| 21:04.15 | Sixen | i)i |
| 21:04.16 | Sixen | o_o |
| 21:04.43 | JademusSreg | Piano Man, only more entertaining. |
| 21:05.47 | JademusSreg | I imagine it might be even more enjoyable if it wasn't improvised. |
| 21:08.06 | Sixen | I can't remove it for some reason, JMan >.> |
| 21:08.49 | JManV | that's weird |
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| 21:12.18 | JManV | NA Pocket Warriors tester(s)? |
| 21:12.54 | JademusSreg | Sure. |
| 21:13.02 | JademusSreg | I'll be available in a few minutes. |
| 21:19.18 | grim001 | JManV are you making that pokemon thing? |
| 21:19.29 | JManV | yes |
| 21:19.49 | JademusSreg | Hideaki Akaiwa is indeed a badass. |
| 21:19.50 | JManV | wanna help test? |
| 21:19.56 | JademusSreg | Anyway, Jman, ready to test? |
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| 21:20.11 | JManV | yeah |
| 21:20.32 | grim001 | Might I suggest a slightly more over-the-shoulder perspective for the combat |
| 21:20.35 | grim001 | it would be more interesting looking |
| 21:20.54 | JManV | i was thinking of adding a selectable fight camera |
| 21:21.15 | JademusSreg | So what are we testing? |
| 21:21.35 | JManV | added a bunch of dialogs, i want to make sure they all show correctly for the correct people |
| 21:21.45 | JManV | also, want to check for lag spikes due to wait loops |
| 21:22.02 | JademusSreg | Also, unrelated, apparently Identificationary didn't suffer at all from the game varient changes made for patch 1.3. |
| 21:22.13 | JademusSreg | *variant |
| 21:28.05 | Bounty | So |
| 21:28.08 | Bounty | Quick question guys |
| 21:28.35 | Bounty | I have WoW models as units and i will have transports running around the map |
| 21:28.42 | Bounty | should i use the sc2 vehicle models |
| 21:28.45 | Bounty | or try to get WoW ones |
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| 21:36.15 | JManV | yeah, i want to implement that jade, it's just been low priority |
| 21:36.29 | JademusSreg | I could do it. =) |
| 21:36.37 | JManV | it's GUI :P |
| 21:36.55 | JademusSreg | Exceptions. =D |
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| 21:37.37 | JManV | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:37.39 | JManV | there it is |
| 21:37.48 | JademusSreg | Anyway, I've got to play Fallout New Vegas. |
| 21:37.54 | Mexa | Back again |
| 21:37.59 | JademusSreg | My oldest daughter likes to watch. |
| 21:38.00 | JademusSreg | bbl |
| 21:38.07 | JManV | i hate that all players is the default |
| 21:38.08 | Mexa | grim001, how's it going? |
| 21:38.17 | JManV | why can't there be no default so i have to set that? |
| 21:38.35 | JManV | i know, i know, galaxy.... |
| 21:38.50 | JManV | thx for the test jademussreg |
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| 21:41.58 | MrOp | hi |
| 21:43.45 | Mexa | hey |
| 21:43.54 | Mexa | Oh yay, new TSL videos for me to watch! |
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| 21:47.53 | grim001 | mexa, try downloading the file again from this post, then follow the revised directions |
| 21:48.04 | grim001 | you skipped something that was not optional last time, this time it is more clearly labeled. |
| 21:48.15 | tordy | ma boy JManV |
| 21:48.22 | grim001 | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/galaxy-scripting-and-trigger-lib/20090-updated-autocomplete-and-syntax-highlighting-for-galaxy/#p1 |
| 21:48.47 | tordy | quick question |
| 21:49.10 | tordy | what's the regular expression for exact string length in notepad++ |
| 21:49.12 | Vexal | bounty what are you making now |
| 21:49.28 | Bounty | just a remake of Hoard |
| 21:49.33 | Bounty | well, not really a remake |
| 21:49.39 | Bounty | my own version |
| 21:49.42 | tordy | like [a-z]+ will be at least 1 copy of [a-z] |
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| 21:49.52 | Vexal | don't know what hoard is |
| 21:49.54 | tordy | what's for exactly x copies of [a-z] |
| 21:50.13 | tordy | grim001!! |
| 21:50.14 | tordy | :[ |
| 21:50.28 | Bounty | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6OIKvnE724&feature=related |
| 21:50.31 | Bounty | ^that |
| 21:50.32 | grim001 | ? |
| 21:50.51 | Bounty | ? Vexal asked what im making |
| 21:50.51 | tordy | what's the regular expression for exact string length in notepad++ |
| 21:50.53 | grim001 | i'm sure it's the same as normal regex |
| 21:50.53 | Purity | Hi there, relatively new mapmaker here. How do I make sure that minerals and gas are the proper distance from my CC/Nex/Hatch? |
| 21:50.59 | tordy | what is it |
| 21:51.08 | grim001 | look up a regex guide |
| 21:51.12 | Deaod | usually its [a-z]{1,10} |
| 21:51.19 | tordy | i didnt work |
| 21:51.20 | Deaod | but im not sure |
| 21:51.28 | tordy | i tried [a-z]{6} |
| 21:51.29 | Vexal | bounty looks like gay cartoon |
| 21:51.43 | Bounty | lol |
| 21:51.51 | Deaod | then try [a-z]{1,6} |
| 21:52.07 | tordy | that means 1 to 6 copies? |
| 21:52.12 | Deaod | yes |
| 21:52.15 | tordy | i mean at least 1 at most 6 |
| 21:52.18 | Bounty | well basically its going to be 6 players. Each player controls a dragon and you have to burn down the most sh*t to loot gold. You will also have Thieves that you can send out to steal from otherplayers stash |
| 21:52.21 | tordy | what abotu for exactly 6 |
| 21:52.29 | Bounty | its going to be my first map that isnt 100% wasd |
| 21:52.32 | Bounty | its top down |
| 21:52.37 | Bounty | obviously |
| 21:52.38 | Bounty | lol |
| 21:52.54 | tordy | Bounty are you the camera master |
| 21:53.01 | Bounty | sure? >< |
| 21:53.03 | Deaod | if {6} doesnt work |
| 21:53.04 | tordy | since youve been workin on so many tps fps maps |
| 21:53.13 | Deaod | use [a-z][a-z][a-z][a-z][a-z][a-z] |
| 21:53.14 | Bounty | doesnt mean im the camera master :) |
| 21:53.16 | Vexal | wow that dragon is an asshole |
| 21:53.17 | Jum-Jum | that game looks like fun Bounty |
| 21:53.29 | tordy | oh man the naive tedious way :( |
| 21:53.33 | Bounty | well its going to play like that game |
| 21:53.34 | tordy | that's what i did |
| 21:53.36 | Bounty | only differance is |
| 21:53.42 | Bounty | my version will have thieves that each player has |
| 21:53.43 | Mexa|Afk | Is there any point to shamelessly advertise your own game here :v? |
| 21:53.48 | Bounty | and u can steal from other players lol |
| 21:53.59 | tordy | who's advertising their game |
| 21:54.08 | Purity | Hi there, relatively new mapmaker here. How do I make sure that minerals and gas are the proper distance from my CC/Nex/Hatch? Can anyone help me? |
| 21:54.13 | Mexa|Afk | No one. But I was about to .__ |
| 21:54.17 | tordy | do it! |
| 21:54.25 | tordy | so i can play it |
| 21:54.30 | grim001 | Purity: open a standard map and count the squares? |
| 21:54.51 | Jum-Jum | Purity: Just place a command center and then place the minerals and gas |
| 21:55.00 | Jum-Jum | and then remove the command center when you are done |
| 21:55.09 | Purity | Okay thank you Jum Jum that seems easier :P |
| 21:55.13 | Mexa|Afk | tordy, it is not yet released, still abit off on puzzle content. We had group course in which we were to make a game on 2 months |
| 21:55.42 | tordy | does using the debugging window still work on bnet |
| 21:56.21 | Mexa|Afk | tordy, that anyway http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZF2qqDGesEU tho the video does not explain all of the game, there are some info in the comments. |
| 21:57.11 | tordy | wow that's done in the sc2 editor!? |
| 21:58.25 | Mexa|Afk | No |
| 21:58.28 | Mexa|Afk | :V |
| 21:58.38 | Jum-Jum | Bounty: Is Hoard only for PS3? |
| 21:58.45 | tordy | ohhh :( |
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| 21:59.01 | Mexa|Afk | Which was exactly why I asked. Since this is a sc2 the idea would be to advertise your map, and thus is why I asked if this was any point:p |
| 21:59.08 | tordy | how easy/hard is it to read another player's bank file |
| 21:59.21 | RyanTM | Is there a way to determine if you are in testing mode with a trigger? |
| 21:59.27 | RyanTM | (vs on Bnet) |
| 21:59.28 | tordy | since map states are synced, a guy can just view the memory right |
| 21:59.32 | tordy | but that must be a pain |
| 21:59.37 | tordy | is there an easier way |
| 21:59.54 | Mexa|Afk | tordy, if the map is preloading all banks and save them separately in a bank array |
| 22:00.08 | Bounty | Its for all consoles and PC Jum-Jum |
| 22:00.08 | Mexa|Afk | Then I guess you could read all of them |
| 22:00.09 | tordy | soo |
| 22:00.23 | Mexa|Afk | But you can probably read them one by one too. |
| 22:00.33 | tordy | how hard/easy would it be |
| 22:00.40 | Mexa|Afk | I'm not sure |
| 22:01.02 | Mexa|Afk | I could imagine something like cheatengine could analyse the memory of the game. |
| 22:01.03 | tordy | are bank values saved in replays> |
| 22:01.17 | Jum-Jum | is it out yet, Bounty? |
| 22:01.18 | tordy | i reember they used to not be |
| 22:01.22 | Mexa|Afk | But then again, you'd have to know certain offsets in the memory |
| 22:01.24 | tordy | not sure |
| 22:01.25 | tordy | now |
| 22:01.29 | Mexa|Afk | And alot of trial and error |
| 22:01.51 | Mexa|Afk | And, it could potentially have you banned |
| 22:01.57 | tordy | there ya go |
| 22:02.00 | tordy | that's what i needed |
| 22:02.01 | tordy | thanks |
| 22:02.13 | Mexa|Afk | But that depends if Warden is scanning offsets like the cheatengine |
| 22:02.27 | Mexa|Afk | I mean something. |
| 22:02.31 | tordy | warden? |
| 22:02.47 | Mexa|Afk | Never heard of it? |
| 22:02.59 | Mexa|Afk | It's what Blizzard uses to prevent cheating |
| 22:03.02 | Deaod | Blizzards anticheat |
| 22:03.04 | tordy | now i did |
| 22:03.05 | tordy | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warden_%28software%29 |
| 22:03.16 | Jum-Jum | But thats only for WoW isn't it? |
| 22:03.49 | Mexa|Afk | No |
| 22:03.50 | tordy | says it's also for sc2 in the wiki |
| 22:04.00 | Mexa|Afk | D2, wc3, sc2, wow |
| 22:04.13 | Mexa|Afk | and also sc1 |
| 22:04.24 | tordy | something like cheat engine should be detectable |
| 22:04.30 | tordy | since it's so popular |
| 22:04.31 | Mexa|Afk | Probably |
| 22:04.55 | Sixen | Warden works on all Battle.net games currently |
| 22:05.00 | Sixen | Except D1 and War2 |
| 22:05.07 | tordy | sixen what happened to vjeux |
| 22:05.09 | Mexa|Afk | You'd only use cheatengine locally in that case, but never on b.net |
| 22:05.18 | Sixen | vjeux is a dev on MMOChampion or something |
| 22:05.23 | tordy | well that defeats the purpose of trying to read other people's banks! |
| 22:05.30 | tordy | unless |
| 22:05.34 | tordy | replays save banks |
| 22:05.36 | tordy | do they? |
| 22:05.46 | Mexa|Afk | They shouldn't |
| 22:05.48 | tordy | phew |
| 22:05.54 | tordy | last time i tried, they didnt |
| 22:05.57 | tordy | but that was several months ago |
| 22:06.03 | Mexa|Afk | Replays would only be a set of instructions commanded to the game, no? |
| 22:06.11 | tordy | yea |
| 22:06.29 | Mexa|Afk | But then again, I'm not an expert on that area. |
| 22:06.36 | tordy | but it might store values it loaded |
| 22:06.39 | tordy | from somewhere |
| 22:07.01 | Mexa|Afk | What are you trying to achieve by the way? What are you making? |
| 22:07.06 | tordy | nothin |
| 22:07.08 | tordy | :) |
| 22:07.14 | Mexa|Afk | oki:> |
| 22:07.25 | tordy | im just making sure it's difficult if not impossible for people to read other people's banks |
| 22:07.49 | tordy | Vexal's tower defense!!!! |
| 22:07.58 | Mexa|Afk | what |
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| 22:08.17 | tordy | im implementing an admin function in my map |
| 22:08.19 | tordy | see how long it lasts |
| 22:08.22 | tordy | before it gets cracked |
| 22:08.33 | Mexa|Afk | Oh yeah, the one using an external bank? |
| 22:08.36 | tordy | yea |
| 22:08.55 | tordy | added obfuscation |
| 22:09.01 | tordy | works fine on bnet |
| 22:09.03 | tordy | so far |
| 22:09.14 | Mexa|Afk | But what's the point of it? Couldn't you just make a check and determine if the player trying to cheat is a player with your name? |
| 22:09.28 | tordy | no because you cant compare text |
| 22:09.43 | Mexa|Afk | Are you certain? |
| 22:09.46 | tordy | eya |
| 22:10.09 | Mexa|Afk | hmm |
| 22:10.23 | tordy | Player names are text, not strings |
| 22:10.33 | tordy | so they're syncronized or w.e |
| 22:10.40 | Mexa|Afk | I thought something like if (StringToText("A") == StringToText("A")) would be a valid statement and return true |
| 22:10.52 | tordy | cant convert text to strings |
| 22:10.59 | Mexa|Afk | I didn't |
| 22:11.10 | tordy | well you cant get player nams as a string |
| 22:11.13 | tordy | only as text |
| 22:11.19 | Deaod | you can compare strings |
| 22:11.23 | tordy | yea you can |
| 22:11.28 | tordy | but you cant compare text |
| 22:11.38 | Deaod | well, you can |
| 22:11.42 | tordy | for now |
| 22:11.48 | Mexa|Afk | so it would what, give syntax error? |
| 22:11.58 | Deaod | but every StringToText() call returns a new text object |
| 22:12.44 | Mexa|Afk | Though, what makes you so sure the == operator compares the object and not what it contains? |
| 22:12.52 | Mexa|Afk | Essentially, that's what all strings are too |
| 22:12.59 | Mexa|Afk | I mean in reality |
| 22:13.00 | Deaod | Blizzard said so. |
| 22:13.05 | Mexa|Afk | Oh |
| 22:13.11 | Mexa|Afk | Didn't know that. |
| 22:13.27 | Deaod | its in the natives.galaxy file |
| 22:13.28 | Mexa|Afk | Oh |
| 22:13.29 | Mexa|Afk | Yeah |
| 22:13.30 | Deaod | at the top |
| 22:13.34 | Mexa|Afk | Yupyup |
| 22:13.37 | tordy | natives yous ay |
| 22:13.38 | tordy | grim!!!! |
| 22:13.46 | Deaod | grims gone |
| 22:15.05 | tordy | :[ |
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| 22:15.32 | tordy | implement it already blizzard! |
| 22:15.33 | tordy | argh |
| 22:16.56 | tordy | anyone here wanna fix stragus' obfuscator |
| 22:17.11 | tordy | he disappeared |
| 22:17.40 | Mexa|Afk | Aw, Blizzard wasn't lying |
| 22:17.45 | tordy | bout wart |
| 22:17.48 | Mexa|Afk | I was hoping the operator would work anyway |
| 22:17.50 | Mexa|Afk | :P |
| 22:18.03 | Mexa|Afk | Comparing texts, that was |
| 22:18.50 | tordy | whassup miami!!!! |
| 22:19.06 | Mexa|Afk | Gotta go grab some food |
| 22:19.08 | Mexa|Afk | Brb |
| 22:19.10 | tordy | p; |
| 22:19.10 | tordy | [ |
| 22:19.50 | JManV | :'/ |
| 22:20.25 | JManV | [w@ |
| 22:20.34 | tordy | anyone wanna compile some c code for me |
| 22:20.53 | tordy | make an exe out of it |
| 22:21.15 | tordy | i hate visual studio too much |
| 22:21.35 | Mexa|Afk | It should be very straight forward with visual studio. |
| 22:21.54 | tordy | i dont like to use it :( |
| 22:22.39 | Mexa|Afk | If I get time later |
| 22:22.51 | Mexa|Afk | But don't wait for me |
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| 22:36.32 | Stewox | ~seen bounty |
| 22:36.33 | purl | bounty <442d304d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.45.48.77> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 36m 25s ago, saying: 'Its for all consoles and PC Jum-Jum'. |
| 22:36.56 | grim001 | ~seen grim001 |
| 22:36.56 | purl | grim001 is currently on #sc2mapster (11m 46s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 0s, last said: '~seen grim001'. |
| 22:37.22 | Stewox | ~seen purl |
| 22:37.22 | purl | purl is currently on #casualti (14h 10m 58s) #linuxfund (14h 10m 58s) #waruidev (14h 10m 58s) #how (14h 10m 58s) #sc2mapster (14h 10m 58s) #edev (14h 10m 58s) #fossfund (14h 10m 58s) #hosernet (14h 10m 58s) #norganna (14h 10m 58s) #ud (14h 10m 58s) ##ducleague (14h 10m 58s) ##kierra (14h 10m 58s) #dbgc (14h 10m 58s) #dub (14h 10m 58s) #teleconf (14h 10m 58s) ... |
| 22:42.16 | JManV | ~seen grim001 |
| 22:42.17 | purl | grim001 is currently on #sc2mapster (17m 7s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 5m 21s, last said: '~seen grim001'. |
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| 22:43.17 | SoulTaker916 | does anyone know the name of the bgm music? i need to issue a trigger to stop it |
| 22:43.27 | grim001 | ~seen SoulTaker916 |
| 22:43.28 | purl | soultaker916 is currently on #sc2mapster (32s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 11s, last said: 'does anyone know the name of the bgm music? i need to issue a trigger to stop it'. |
| 22:43.47 | SoulTaker916 | lol hello bot... i hate u also |
| 22:44.14 | SoulTaker916 | Tobin- |
| 22:44.17 | SoulTaker916 | do u know? |
| 22:44.22 | Deaod | ~seen Deaod |
| 22:44.23 | purl | deaod is currently on #sc2mapster. Has said a total of 46 messages. Is idling for 1s, last said: '~seen Deaod'. |
| 22:44.33 | Deaod | awwwww |
| 22:44.40 | SoulTaker916 | deaod |
| 22:44.42 | SoulTaker916 | do u know? |
| 22:44.45 | SoulTaker916 | the answer? |
| 22:44.56 | Deaod | nope |
| 22:45.09 | SoulTaker916 | crap |
| 22:45.14 | SoulTaker916 | any way to stop it? |
| 22:45.16 | SoulTaker916 | or anythign? |
| 22:58.03 | tordy | YO |
| 22:58.10 | JManV | yo mama |
| 22:59.05 | Stewox | ~seen mindworx |
| 22:59.08 | purl | mindworx <~Nikolaj.M@188.176.197.82> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 173d 2h 9m 23s ago, saying: 'Human factor is still reason enough for macros'. |
| 23:08.20 | Deaod | :( |
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| 23:31.16 | Karawasa | hey Vexal |
| 23:31.21 | Vexal | yeah |
| 23:31.27 | Karawasa | method failed |
| 23:31.35 | Vexal | what |
| 23:31.46 | Karawasa | deleted all non-morph abilities, then at about 10 buttons for morph started disappearing again |
| 23:31.57 | Karawasa | 10 meaning recreated 10 |
| 23:32.01 | Karawasa | from scratch |
| 23:32.25 | Vexal | are you saying you deleted everything that wasn't merged with the xml? |
| 23:32.53 | Karawasa | um |
| 23:32.59 | Karawasa | no I am not |
| 23:33.14 | Vexal | can you specifically say what you're saying. |
| 23:33.16 | Karawasa | there is no way to do that because prior to merge there is just one tower per map with no tech tree (build order) present |
| 23:33.29 | Karawasa | well maverck deleted all non-morph abilities in data editor |
| 23:33.43 | Karawasa | and apparently command cards for upgrades (morph) went back to normal |
| 23:33.57 | Karawasa | so we figured we could recreate the non-morph abilities after deleting them all |
| 23:34.02 | Karawasa | and problem would go away |
| 23:34.50 | Karawasa | so we figured the best solution would be a workaround |
| 23:34.57 | Karawasa | since a lot of time wasted on this bug |
| 23:35.03 | Karawasa | trigger the upgrades |
| 23:35.17 | Vexal | why did you put each tower in a separate map? |
| 23:35.25 | Karawasa | different people making towers |
| 23:35.33 | Karawasa | so having a master file at the start was impractical |
| 23:36.07 | Karawasa | have you worked with channel at all? |
| 23:36.17 | Karawasa | apparently cancel of channel is considered a finished event |
| 23:36.26 | Karawasa | so maverck having a problem with triggered upgrade |
| 23:36.38 | Karawasa | always goes to next tower even if cancel |
| 23:37.32 | Karawasa | by the way Vexal do you see any downside to trigger of upgrades |
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| 23:38.25 | Vexal | i've never seen the need to hvae them. |
| 23:38.28 | Bounty | Well, there goes my third fucking map in a row down the drain |
| 23:38.33 | Bounty | Because mods bug out |
| 23:38.47 | Vexal | karawasa you might have an issue with kill count |
| 23:38.53 | Karawasa | yes |
| 23:38.54 | Bounty | such fucking bullshit |
| 23:38.55 | Karawasa | kill count will reset |
| 23:39.00 | Karawasa | that's ok with me though |
| 23:39.00 | Vexal | does that bother you |
| 23:39.02 | Karawasa | no |
| 23:39.06 | Karawasa | in fact preferable almost |
| 23:39.18 | Bounty | am i doing something wrong? You upload the god damn mod then you add it as a depend to the map |
| 23:39.21 | Bounty | right? |
| 23:40.06 | Karawasa | so is anyone familiar with detecting cancel versus completion of channel |
| 23:40.19 | Bounty | thought so |
| 23:40.35 | Vexal | why channel? |
| 23:41.12 | Karawasa | to simulate upgrade time |
| 23:41.23 | Vexal | it seems like a strange workaround. |
| 23:41.26 | Vexal | and clunky. |
| 23:41.27 | Karawasa | like if a tower takes X seconds to upgrade |
| 23:42.18 | Karawasa | ya I'm not happy about it either Vexal but |
| 23:42.28 | Karawasa | not sure what else is an option really |
| 23:44.00 | Vexal | what if you could just make the trigger wait once it starts upgrading |
| 23:44.03 | Vexal | for the upgrade duration |
| 23:44.36 | Vexal | although i find it hard to believe there is no method of distinguishing channel cancel from complete. |
| 23:45.38 | Vexal | maybe you could give the ability an effect that runs at the end of the channel |
| 23:45.42 | Vexal | and change the event to "effect used" |
| 23:46.15 | grim001 | if its anything like WC3 there should be a specific event that runs when channel completes |
| 23:46.49 | Vexal | karawasa did you see my suggestion? |
| 23:47.36 | Karawasa | yes |
| 23:47.43 | Karawasa | that could work |
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| 23:48.09 | Griffin_ | Greeting |
| 23:48.47 | Karawasa | yes I'm just disappointed because |
| 23:49.04 | Karawasa | it is a workaround and it will delay things even more while we make all the morphs trigger based |
| 23:49.14 | Karawasa | does it seem that clunky to you? |
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| 23:54.36 | Vexal | i don't know if it's clunky. it just seems like a waste of time. |
| 23:54.49 | Vexal | i have a hard time believing that the morph buttons are broken in the first place. |
| 23:55.07 | Vexal | it seems like a setting is broken somewhere, or you have some sort of overlapping data or off by one error or something. |
| 23:55.53 | Karawasa | I was hoping that was the case |
| 23:56.01 | Karawasa | just some stupid setting or overlap somewhere |
| 23:58.29 | Vexal | it just reminds me of my beginner's C++ days where i'd nonchalantly flap around memory and unwittingly overwrite the vicarious entries of pointers. |
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| 23:59.31 | Karawasa | haha |
| 23:59.39 | Karawasa | that can be such a pain in the ass |
| 23:59.42 | Karawasa | seg fault |
