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| 00:18.06 | JManV | wow. there's 3 threads in the popular topics with regards to loss counting going away. two of them are closed (full) |
| 00:18.23 | Mexa | on the official forums? |
| 00:18.28 | JManV | yeah |
| 00:18.39 | Mexa | People never gets pleased :v |
| 00:19.07 | Deaod | well, has anyone been demanding that losses go away? |
| 00:19.11 | JManV | blizz actually admitted that it was a "quick fix" |
| 00:19.18 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 00:19.24 | Mexa | They must have had a reason. |
| 00:19.39 | JManV | they did, but it doesn't make it a good one |
| 00:19.41 | JademusSreg | Hiding losses for pansies who are insecure about their numbers? |
| 00:19.46 | Deaod | sure, but i cant imagine anyone from the playerbase calling for that change |
| 00:19.50 | JManV | and it doesn't mean there weren't alternatives |
| 00:19.55 | JManV | that's the most important part |
| 00:20.04 | Mexa | I actually think this is related to the 4v4 portrait unlocker "hack" |
| 00:20.08 | JManV | yes, jade, that's exactly why |
| 00:21.30 | Mexa | Since there are so many deciding that it was fun to enter a 4v4 game, run a program in the background whichs simulates mouseclicks and whatever, then leaving the game after while and still have a 40% chance to get a win |
| 00:21.45 | Mexa | If the team wins |
| 00:21.59 | Mexa | But in most of the cases, they will have a shitton of losses |
| 00:22.14 | Mexa | Oh wait, why would Blizzard want to hide that |
| 00:22.17 | Mexa | hrm.. |
| 00:23.02 | Mexa | I tend to speak about random things, so I guess I am going to bed. Nightynight |
| 00:23.43 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 00:23.50 | JManV | huh |
| 00:26.54 | Vail | hey JManV |
| 00:27.01 | JManV | yo |
| 00:27.21 | Vail | i am thinking of starting back to work on my mod but i have no more ideas for heros |
| 00:27.38 | Vail | not that the first four are any where near done |
| 00:30.57 | Vail | i want the Blizzard allstars mod models and such sigh |
| 00:31.57 | JManV | heh |
| 00:32.02 | JManV | those would be cool |
| 00:32.10 | JManV | i'll have to add those as pokemon when they come |
| 00:32.17 | Vail | yeah |
| 00:32.26 | Vail | how is that map coming anyway ? |
| 00:32.31 | JManV | really well |
| 00:33.05 | JManV | need to fix custom ui tho :( |
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| 00:36.22 | Vail | ouch but understandable |
| 00:37.00 | Vail | man there are sooo many idiots on HoN and other DoTA stlye game sites |
| 00:40.00 | Mexa|Sleep | Nice, there's coming a maps and mods page on the sc2 webpage |
| 00:40.02 | Mexa|Sleep | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/game/maps-and-mods/ |
| 00:46.48 | Deaod | brb, need to shoot anonymous Blizzard employee |
| 00:47.09 | Deaod | preferably with a large projectile. |
| 00:50.14 | Mexa|Sleep | What did they do now? |
| 00:50.44 | Deaod | really, whoever thought it was a good idea to be able append .galaxy to include statements deserves to be shot. |
| 00:50.52 | Deaod | include"TriggerLibs/GameData/GameDataAllNatives.galaxy" |
| 00:51.00 | Deaod | apparently thats valid syntax. |
| 00:51.14 | Mexa|Sleep | yes? |
| 00:51.30 | Deaod | include"TriggerLibs/GameData/GameDataAllNatives" is as well |
| 00:51.45 | Mexa|Sleep | So what then? |
| 00:51.48 | Deaod | and most includes ive seen use the second one. |
| 00:52.03 | Deaod | why cant they decide for one and stick to it |
| 00:52.18 | Deaod | just to not mess with peoples heads. |
| 00:52.47 | Mexa|Sleep | Because the one natively in the archives are generated using the galaxy.xst header or something |
| 00:52.53 | Mexa|Sleep | *ones |
| 00:53.00 | Deaod | meh, adding the .galaxy only when needed is not that hard. |
| 00:53.30 | Mexa|Sleep | It's generated code, why not being safer than being sorry? |
| 00:55.00 | Mexa|Sleep | meh... goodnight again |
| 00:55.10 | Deaod | g'night |
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| 01:01.55 | Deaod | also, yay for semicolons floating around |
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| 01:20.23 | ThunderLord | hey if i need to take all the custom data from 1 map and just paste it in to another map what is the easiest way to do that? |
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| 01:22.26 | ThunderLord | isnt there like an easy interface that lets you do that somewhere? ive heard about it but ive never actually used it, how can i access it? |
| 01:23.23 | Vexal | amazing dark templar tatoo |
| 01:23.26 | Vexal | oops |
| 01:23.30 | Vexal | amazing dark templar tatoo http://imgur.com/SHNF4 |
| 01:25.18 | Deaod | hrmpf. |
| 01:25.32 | ThunderLord | haha |
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| 01:32.43 | grim001 | lol |
| 01:45.06 | Deaod | great, turns out GOLD cant parse files that dont have a whitespace or comment at the end. |
| 01:45.39 | Deaod | and whoever wrote the Java implementation is long gone. |
| 01:46.10 | Deaod | and i cant track him down. |
| 01:47.23 | Vexal | my hunting rabbit can find anyone. |
| 01:49.26 | Deaod | go look for Matthew P Hawkins, ex employee of IBM, current employee of Patersons Global Payroll |
| 01:49.44 | Vexal | my dad worked for IBM too and knows him. |
| 01:50.21 | Deaod | got an email address of hawkini_uk@uk.ibm.com, but that one probably doesnt work anymore. |
| 01:50.37 | Deaod | i love google. |
| 01:50.54 | Deaod | stalking people has become so much more simple. |
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| 02:18.53 | Deaod | well, this is it for a few hours. |
| 02:18.58 | Deaod | good night. |
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| 02:30.18 | grim001 | so here's a random poll |
| 02:30.28 | grim001 | do any of you ACTUALLY use the home row while touch typing? |
| 02:31.11 | grim001 | key frequency observations show that more than 50% of keystrokes are actually on the top row, not the middle row, with a QWERTY layout |
| 02:31.23 | Motive | all I have to say is |
| 02:31.38 | Motive | i never "learned how to type" but I can hit nearly 200 wpm |
| 02:31.41 | Motive | so fuck that shit :p |
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| 02:32.23 | grim001 | Motive, that's exactly my point, typing classes all around the USA are trying to force kids who have used computers since they were 3 years old to stop typing 80+ WPM and conform to a silly "home row" style, when the teacher can barely type 45WPM |
| 02:32.48 | Motive | yup |
| 02:32.51 | grim001 | I believe that the home row is simply a crutch for people with no muscle memory to begin learning typing movements without looking at the keyboard |
| 02:33.00 | Motive | I agree |
| 02:33.04 | Motive | as with all things, practice makes perfect |
| 02:33.11 | grim001 | but even then, it interferes with the natural learning process |
| 02:33.15 | Motive | start out like an idiot fumbling around with 2 index fingers and looking at the keyboard |
| 02:33.16 | Motive | and over time |
| 02:33.17 | Motive | you learn |
| 02:33.24 | Motive | and evolve your style |
| 02:34.31 | grim001 | I know of almost nobody who actually uses the home row while typing |
| 02:34.55 | grim001 | also, I don't even keep my hands on the same half of the keyboard all of the time, or use the same finger to hit the same key. |
| 02:34.56 | Motive | I never thought to ask |
| 02:35.07 | grim001 | well, you can simply observe people typing |
| 02:35.23 | grim001 | they'd have to have their fingers lined up in a row most of the time |
| 02:35.25 | Motive | tbh though |
| 02:35.37 | Motive | I did pick up some stuff from the standard "home row" deal |
| 02:35.54 | Motive | it's not a bad style, it's just forced |
| 02:36.56 | grim001 | although there is a lot of literature out there about typing itself, there is very little mentioned about anything but "hunt-n-peck" or homerow-style touch typing |
| 02:37.18 | grim001 | despite the fact that the vast majority of decent typists don't use either of those methods. |
| 02:37.24 | Motive | yeah. |
| 02:37.45 | grim001 | it always irritates me when there is a vast difference between the literature or "theory" on a subject and the obvious reality. |
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| 02:56.35 | Motive | grim, how does your preprocessor work, anyways? the internals, I mean |
| 02:58.32 | grim001 | be back in 20 |
| 02:58.37 | Motive | kk |
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| 03:12.06 | Vexal | check out my dark templar tatoo! http://imgur.com/SHNF4 |
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| 03:25.54 | MrOp | lol vex |
| 03:26.08 | MrOp | i think that is the best work i have ever seen |
| 03:26.13 | MrOp | how much did it cost |
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| 04:16.29 | grim001 | back |
| 04:24.26 | Sixen | front |
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| 04:26.29 | Sixen | :) |
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| 06:46.01 | Vexal | ..................................... |
| 06:49.14 | Vexal | hello. |
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| 06:57.33 | MrOp | hi |
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| 07:42.18 | Helral|Work | meow |
| 07:42.47 | A1win | mow |
| 08:01.57 | Mexa|Sleep | mornin' |
| 08:02.17 | Mexa|Sleep | yawn.. |
| 08:04.42 | Mexa|Sleep | grim001, what was that about home row? |
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| 08:35.00 | Mexa|Sleep | Interesting that people can be so pissed off and rage all over for a small thing such as removing the 'showing losses'. |
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| 08:49.16 | Hunter_Killers | because it wasn't a problem until SC2 rolled around, now blizzard is going casual defense force everywhere |
| 08:53.52 | Mexa|Sleep | meh |
| 08:54.33 | Hunter_Killers | the funny part about is that only showing wins is just as useless is not showing loses |
| 09:05.02 | Mexa|Sleep | casual players may want to know |
| 09:05.56 | Mexa|Sleep | I just think it is silly everyone is so upset:P Personally I don't really care. |
| 09:11.55 | Mexa|Sleep | Going off for class... Later guys |
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| 09:13.18 | QueenGambit | aardvarke u there? |
| 09:22.54 | MrOp | hi queen |
| 09:28.28 | QueenGambit | hi MrOp |
| 09:28.46 | QueenGambit | I just tested one of my maps and sc crashed me and someone else =/ |
| 09:29.12 | QueenGambit | told me that my sc2 was corrupted had to do a repair |
| 09:32.25 | Mexa|Sleep | I would suspect you have a custom UI layout? |
| 09:32.57 | QueenGambit | yes |
| 09:33.08 | QueenGambit | and its essential though =( |
| 09:33.13 | QueenGambit | oh well |
| 09:33.35 | Mexa|Sleep | There's your answer :) You need to change the way of having one only |
| 09:34.14 | Mexa|Sleep | I mean, Blizzard added features now which you need to use for it to work |
| 09:34.54 | Mexa|Sleep | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/2267589748 |
| 09:35.20 | Mexa|Sleep | That should help you with the UI, Queen. |
| 09:35.50 | QueenGambit | thank you and nighty night =) |
| 09:36.01 | Mexa|Sleep | Nightynight |
| 10:01.03 | A1win | hmm I came up with a nice idea to balance my missions based on the number of players: rather than just multiplying the number of units or applying a health/damage buff for them, I'll create cases for each unit how it translates for multiple players, for example a marine could translate into 2 marines with 2 players, a marine and a marauder with 3 players, a marauder and 2 marines with 4 players, 2 marauders and 1 marine with 5 players, and 2 ... |
| 10:01.09 | A1win | ... marauders and 2 marines with 6 players |
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| 10:01.43 | A1win | and I'll store them into a 2d array of unit groups where the first index is the number of players (-1), and 2nd index is the running index of all unitgroups of that mission |
| 10:02.12 | A1win | all the others are hidden, and the one that matches the number of players is shown |
| 10:02.18 | A1win | and then nice functions to swap between those |
| 10:02.52 | A1win | and also each unit has the running index in one of their custom values so I don't need to go through the whole list whenever a unit dies or whatever |
| 10:05.29 | A1win | maybe even go so far that I can translate 2 marines for 1 player into different groups rather than treating them as two separate marines... fallback set to do just that |
| 10:11.48 | A1win | Could not find e_attachShield or a dynamic shield attach on unit with model GoliathMercenary. |
| 10:11.57 | A1win | now I know what that means... |
| 10:12.16 | A1win | it's the sprite effect thing that's created on the unit when it takes damage with shields on |
| 10:12.27 | A1win | a kind of a "bullet hitting force field" bubble thing |
| 10:12.41 | A1win | it worked before 1.3.0 and I was able to see them, but now it's giving that error |
| 10:14.52 | A1win | so what's the difference between the goliath mercenary and let's say a zealot, since it works properly for zealot... |
| 10:16.43 | A1win | probably some actor thing, but which actor :S |
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| 10:18.32 | A1win | hmm the zealot at least has shields visible on the wireframe... |
| 10:19.08 | A1win | did they add those in 1.3.0? |
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| 10:20.15 | A1win | ah yeah, that was it |
| 10:20.26 | A1win | just set it to black.dds for my mech and it stopped giving the error |
| 10:20.30 | A1win | err |
| 10:20.34 | A1win | I didn't test it properly |
| 10:20.39 | A1win | no it wasn't that :P |
| 10:20.39 | Helral|Work | meow |
| 10:22.09 | A1win | nothing shield related in zealot's unit actor |
| 10:25.31 | A1win | oh |
| 10:25.47 | A1win | e_attachShield is an attachment point on the unit |
| 10:25.51 | A1win | I mean model |
| 10:25.56 | A1win | and the goliath doesn't have that |
| 10:26.01 | A1win | but why did it work before 1.3.0 :S |
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| 10:29.27 | A1win | bah, can't find the actor that creates the shield graphics... |
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| 10:35.37 | A1win | ah now I found the actor that is created, but still not sure how to make it work for a non-protoss unit (who doesn't have a shield attach point) |
| 10:35.55 | A1win | so I can disable it for my unit but would be better if I actually had the shield impact graphics |
| 10:36.30 | A1win | Shield Impact actor has Art - Visual Directional Facer, Visual Directional Header and Visual Directionless |
| 10:37.49 | A1win | which are also actors... mmh |
| 10:39.18 | A1win | but I can't see any of them actually specifying the attach point |
| 10:44.34 | MrOp | a1in |
| 10:44.38 | MrOp | a1win |
| 10:45.25 | A1win | yeah |
| 10:45.45 | MrOp | is there a way that i can hide button in the command card with triggers |
| 10:45.54 | MrOp | i am doing a little training thing |
| 10:45.58 | A1win | show/hide ability for unit |
| 10:46.23 | MrOp | is is possible to highlight that ability |
| 10:46.29 | MrOp | like make a pointer or something |
| 10:46.41 | MrOp | and make them use the ability |
| 10:46.54 | A1win | not sure if there was a flash thing for them |
| 10:47.03 | MrOp | oO |
| 10:47.07 | MrOp | :/ |
| 10:47.29 | A1win | turn ability highlight on/off |
| 10:47.46 | A1win | search is a nice feature ;p |
| 10:48.02 | MrOp | idk what i am looking for XD |
| 10:48.03 | MrOp | :p |
| 10:48.14 | A1win | "ability" :P |
| 10:48.23 | A1win | and then just read the list of ~15 actions |
| 10:51.54 | A1win | er... turning unit terrain height off doesn't work anymore? O_o |
| 10:52.05 | A1win | *turning ignore terrain height on |
| 10:52.20 | MrOp | would there be any reason why my ability is not showing up |
| 10:52.26 | MrOp | :/ |
| 10:53.14 | A1win | it doesn't have an execute command specified for it? |
| 10:57.51 | A1win | now I have it narrowed down to ProtossShieldFacer actor, if I disable the Actor - Visual Directional Facer field in the actor, it stops giving the error |
| 10:58.04 | A1win | but I can't see any properties in that actor that would specify where it's attached to |
| 10:58.22 | A1win | or is it defined in the Shield Impact native thing somehow |
| 10:58.50 | Helral|Work | A1win: Check the Actor Events ;p |
| 10:59.34 | A1win | Helral|Work, nope... it gave the error even when I removed those |
| 10:59.41 | A1win | but now I found SOpAttachShield O: |
| 10:59.46 | A1win | it has fallback set to Ignore |
| 10:59.51 | Helral|Work | if it is a general one, then it probably has some Actor events that say *.Takes Damage orso |
| 10:59.55 | A1win | let's try center... |
| 11:00.01 | Helral|Work | hehehe |
| 11:00.03 | Helral|Work | :) |
| 11:00.08 | Helral|Work | that could also work. ;p |
| 11:00.23 | A1win | nope x\ |
| 11:00.29 | Helral|Work | hmmm |
| 11:00.46 | Helral|Work | then I don't know either :( |
| 11:01.14 | A1win | isn't anyone else having the problem with non-protoss units that have shields o: |
| 11:02.09 | A1win | let's see if I just give marine shields... |
| 11:02.30 | A1win | same bug |
| 11:03.16 | A1win | the "or a dynamic shield attach" part is probably worth looking into... |
| 11:03.27 | A1win | "Could not find e_attachShield or a dynamic shield attach on unit with model Marine" |
| 11:03.42 | A1win | no ideas what that is? :P |
| 11:03.47 | A1win | a dynamic shield attach |
| 11:05.15 | A1win | O_o |
| 11:05.24 | A1win | there's attachment properties in actors now |
| 11:05.46 | A1win | I can just add a shield attach point to the unit :D |
| 11:06.37 | A1win | ...or what are those |
| 11:06.46 | A1win | not points :P |
| 11:08.08 | A1win | pff nevermind that |
| 11:09.00 | A1win | what are the hosted attachments things |
| 11:11.57 | A1win | ah just some additional actors attached to the actor? |
| 11:20.48 | A1win | meh I guess I'll just disable the awesome shield impact graphics from the mech then |
| 11:23.24 | A1win | now the shield impact actor checks if the unit has shields and is protoss -.- |
| 11:24.31 | A1win | ah well someone will figure it out eventually |
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| 11:31.54 | Demo | wtb soccer ball that you can kick (attack) and it launches in a direction, bouncing off of walls and other units. I know this is too big of a question... but how do? |
| 11:32.12 | Demo | if someone could just point me in the right direction that would be great |
| 11:33.09 | Demo | found a map that implements it brb |
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| 11:33.21 | A1win | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/data/19960-shield-impact-error-for-non-protoss-units/ |
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| 11:39.12 | A1win | mmh... if I make an action definition that has "allow multiple" flag set for a parameter, how do I refer to each instance of that parameter? |
| 12:24.28 | A1win | err... hidden enemies can attack? |
| 12:24.50 | A1win | maybe I should pause them as well... |
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| 13:07.05 | JManV|Work | ...and you can't stop me! MUAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! |
| 13:07.37 | A1win | o: |
| 13:07.43 | A1win | how does revive unit work exactly? |
| 13:08.36 | Vail | unless they have changed it i believe it works similar to the temples in Warcraft 3 |
| 13:09.23 | A1win | I mean can I just use the revive unit action on any dead unit? |
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| 13:09.54 | Vail | the units must have a death time greater than zero |
| 13:10.01 | A1win | ah |
| 13:10.05 | A1win | can it be set to infinite? |
| 13:10.37 | Vail | yes but i would only use that for unique units |
| 13:10.57 | A1win | I plan to remove the units from the game manually |
| 13:11.32 | Vail | oh you mean the trigger action? |
| 13:11.35 | A1win | yeah |
| 13:11.41 | Vail | i thought i read that as ability sorry ... |
| 13:11.45 | A1win | I just need full control on it and be able to bring them back to life instead of having to recreate them |
| 13:11.49 | Vail | just now woke up |
| 13:11.58 | A1win | well I assume the trigger action also needs the death time to be greater than 0 |
| 13:12.04 | A1win | if I want to revive them later |
| 13:12.07 | Vail | nod |
| 13:12.14 | Vail | likely |
| 13:12.37 | A1win | well, one way to find out :P |
| 13:12.46 | Vail | indeed |
| 13:13.06 | ducky | hi, how do you people organize stuff in the events editor(data) ? |
| 13:13.46 | A1win | if a unit has death time set to 0, it can't be revived even instantly in unit dies event |
| 13:14.00 | A1win | but otherwise seems to work just as expected |
| 13:14.40 | A1win | and negative values for death time work too, so I suppose that's infinite |
| 13:14.54 | A1win | now I just need to set the death time of all units to -1 :P |
| 13:16.25 | Vail | find the parent units and set their death time to -1 then propagate the changes to the child units |
| 13:17.32 | Vail | becaureful though as some structures and units share the same parent unit structure |
| 13:20.12 | A1win | whee... now if the number of players on a mission changes, all unit groups that have some dead units (but not all) in them are fully revived |
| 13:20.23 | A1win | ...and only for the unit groups that the players don't currently see |
| 13:21.23 | A1win | woops... except that now if all the units in the group die, the units get instantly removed from the game so also their death actors disappear >.> |
| 13:22.10 | Vail | thats a bother |
| 13:22.51 | A1win | hmm I can just remove the hidden ones from the game, and the visible ones only from the unit group and then after a few seconds remove those from the game too |
| 13:24.05 | Helral|Work | meow |
| 13:25.18 | Vail | bark |
| 13:38.52 | Helral|Work | meow |
| 13:39.40 | Kueken1 | huba |
| 13:41.03 | Hati | http://h-6.abload.de/img/soup-0420-aa6cv7ej.gif |
| 13:46.53 | grim001 | nice |
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| 14:00.30 | Demo | huh.... so I'm lost. |
| 14:00.45 | Demo | Grim, how does do ball bounce off wall/doodad |
| 14:05.35 | grim001 | are you trying to write galaxy code to make an object bounce off a wall or doodad? |
| 14:05.40 | grim001 | because it's quite challenging |
| 14:05.48 | Deaod | hes gone... |
| 14:05.56 | grim001 | i never read leave messages |
| 14:06.30 | Deaod | anyway. |
| 14:08.07 | Deaod | how to fix this stupid parser. |
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| 14:10.12 | grim001 | I am not to the parsing stage yet. |
| 14:10.37 | grim001 | today I intend to have the lexer and tokenizer fully finished. |
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| 14:12.26 | Deaod | same issue as the night before: it repeats the last token parsed if you dont end your file with a new line or a comment. |
| 14:12.30 | Deaod | FFS. |
| 14:12.49 | Clord | today in EU at least this up and coming list actually works with fun or not |
| 14:12.49 | Clord | XD |
| 14:12.55 | Clord | I self hosted my maps |
| 14:12.58 | Clord | started match and left |
| 14:13.02 | Clord | and they got 75 starting rating |
| 14:13.10 | Clord | I mena 74 |
| 14:13.13 | Clord | mean... |
| 14:13.55 | Clord | and that starting rating for maps makes them automatically picked for testing by uers |
| 14:13.57 | Clord | users |
| 14:14.44 | A1win | is there any better way in triggers to test if a player has vision to a point than creating a dummy effect that has a vision required validator and then test if a player can create an effect at that point? =p |
| 14:15.59 | Clord | expect so far |
| 14:16.01 | grim001 | Deaod try artificially implanting an EOF symbol into the file when you read it |
| 14:16.01 | Clord | it has never hosted them |
| 14:16.05 | Clord | and they have 74 rating |
| 14:16.05 | Clord | lol |
| 14:16.12 | grim001 | that way it doesn't really matter what you end the file with. |
| 14:16.14 | Clord | still only one bookmark in all four maps |
| 14:17.34 | Clord | you would think that fun or not would be smarter and just random number 1-howmanymapsthereis |
| 14:17.34 | Clord | XD |
| 14:18.16 | Deaod | well, i could append a new line to every file i parse |
| 14:18.43 | Deaod | but thats not a good solution. |
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| 14:23.59 | demo | ugh |
| 14:24.23 | demo | I cannot for the life of me figure out how to make a ball bounce off of a wall at the appropriate angle, I can hit the ball, but it hits the wall and slides |
| 14:25.08 | demo | or find any current map that implements a working version, or a ttorial :( |
| 14:26.35 | Clord | "6 inventory slot limit" |
| 14:26.36 | Clord | or whatever |
| 14:26.43 | Clord | US side is so clueless in blogs |
| 14:26.43 | Clord | lol |
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| 14:35.52 | Clord | it also seems that rodrigo dude is happy how fun or not made his map to resurrect |
| 14:36.01 | Clord | lol... it seems that even EU side it is becoming alive |
| 14:36.10 | Clord | debates |
| 14:36.56 | depthsofchaos | deeeebaaateesssss!!!! |
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| 14:40.04 | Clord | fun or not is more like stuck or not |
| 14:40.05 | Clord | lol |
| 14:40.14 | grim001 | demo |
| 14:40.21 | Demo | Oh hi |
| 14:40.43 | grim001 | first of all, you need to understand some vector math if you want to make a ball bounce correctly |
| 14:41.16 | grim001 | second, you'll need a way to find the angle of the wall, which is not something I have done in SC2 yet. |
| 14:41.45 | Demo | I know the angles of the walls |
| 14:41.54 | grim001 | how do you find the angle of the wall? |
| 14:41.59 | Demo | forums :/ |
| 14:41.59 | depthsofchaos | you can get the angle by comparing height values in the area |
| 14:42.02 | Demo | they tiolds me |
| 14:42.26 | Demo | do you want them? |
| 14:42.58 | grim001 | I would be interested to see a link |
| 14:43.08 | Demo | South 0, North 180, http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/map-development/1884-any-mathematicians-out-there/ |
| 14:43.16 | Demo | West 270, East 90 |
| 14:44.04 | grim001 | well of course, but do you have a method to figure out which kind of wall the ball is currently colliding with? |
| 14:44.16 | grim001 | comparing height values in the area or something? |
| 14:46.08 | Demo | I am using regions :/ |
| 14:46.13 | Demo | next to the walls |
| 14:46.33 | Deaod | and let me guess, youre working in GUI |
| 14:46.34 | grim001 | well, that is good enough, if your map is something like a box with walls all around. |
| 14:46.36 | Demo | unit enters region |
| 14:46.39 | Demo | yes sadly |
| 14:46.47 | Demo | yeah |
| 14:46.47 | grim001 | is your map just a box? |
| 14:46.59 | Demo | no but it can bounce like it is |
| 14:47.06 | Demo | it's just something minor to a major game |
| 14:47.10 | Demo | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:47.27 | Demo | but I'm not sure how to keep it moving in that direction |
| 14:47.27 | grim001 | you aren't going to be able to do this just by altering the facing |
| 14:47.29 | Demo | that it's facing |
| 14:47.35 | grim001 | you need to represent the movement of the ball using vectors. |
| 14:47.42 | grim001 | and you're going to need to use vector math. |
| 14:47.54 | grim001 | which means you should probably start by looking up a tutorial on it. |
| 14:48.16 | Demo | I'm assuming there are people out there that have done the math already, as I know of 2 maps that implement it |
| 14:48.31 | depthsofchaos | youre doing 2d or 3? |
| 14:48.34 | Demo | I'm sure that learning it is uselfull |
| 14:48.35 | Demo | 2d |
| 14:48.37 | grim001 | you need to at least have an idea of what kind of math it is before anyone can help you with it |
| 14:48.49 | grim001 | unless you just want someone to give you code that you dont understand. |
| 14:48.56 | Deaod | points make beautiful 2D vectors. |
| 14:49.03 | Demo | If it's code that works, I wouldn't argue |
| 14:49.29 | Clord | lol.... think region near wall.... then insane looping to turn it to right direction... loop like 90 times etc XD nah would not work right ^^ |
| 14:49.30 | grim001 | if you don't plan to do it yourself, just go ask someone who has already created such a system to give you theirs. |
| 14:50.00 | depthsofchaos | starlocks is using 2d steal it from there :o |
| 14:50.09 | Demo | star strikers? |
| 14:50.18 | Demo | or starlocks is a map itself |
| 14:50.23 | depthsofchaos | starlocks |
| 14:50.37 | Clord | fun or not keeps spam hosting maps with 100 rating... those have already max rating.. what the lol they need to prove? |
| 14:50.38 | Clord | XD |
| 14:50.51 | Demo | well the assumption about the fun or not system |
| 14:51.04 | Demo | is that it's not rating fun = 100 rating not =0 |
| 14:51.16 | Demo | but that it's how many times it gets rated fun within an hour |
| 14:51.22 | Demo | so as long as it gets 100 funs |
| 14:51.23 | Clord | I don't bleive that everyone votes my map to be fun and give 100 rating.... |
| 14:51.26 | Demo | it goes up there |
| 14:52.06 | Clord | yes it goes up there... but stays in up and coming list |
| 14:52.10 | Clord | and is kept hosted again and again |
| 14:52.10 | Clord | XD |
| 14:52.10 | Demo | However it's supposed to work, if it's working it's bad, if it's not working it's bad, |
| 14:52.44 | Clord | it should learn t o remove them from fun or not list if they keep 95-100 rating for days |
| 14:52.46 | Clord | lol |
| 14:52.54 | Demo | My up and coming list according to the editor is 1000+ maps |
| 14:52.56 | Clord | maybe it does ^^ |
| 14:53.22 | Demo | should prob only display anything over about 75 |
| 14:53.25 | Clord | maybe up and coming list eventually clear itself from those top maps as they are played already tons and gives room for next batch |
| 14:53.40 | Demo | and exclude the first 5 pages of popular |
| 14:53.44 | Clord | as currently it does not do it's job XD |
| 14:54.04 | Demo | Found starlock :/ |
| 14:54.09 | Demo | it's not in the up and coming list |
| 14:54.14 | Demo | but is in the popular list lol |
| 14:54.21 | Demo | I'll have to thank pro later |
| 14:54.29 | Clord | four of my maps got all 74 rating.. and fun or not has never hosted them yet |
| 14:54.30 | Clord | lol |
| 14:54.51 | Demo | I want to know the requirements to get on it |
| 14:54.51 | Clord | it was matter of host map personally and be in match few seconds |
| 14:55.04 | Clord | well for me it was just host map once alone |
| 14:55.05 | Clord | and leave |
| 14:55.06 | Clord | XD |
| 14:55.08 | Clord | voila |
| 14:55.11 | Clord | 74 rating for each map |
| 14:55.23 | Clord | and my really popular map is there with 100 rating |
| 14:55.32 | Demo | what map? |
| 14:55.33 | Clord | what is about frontpage map in most popular |
| 14:55.39 | Clord | THE Card Game XD |
| 14:55.41 | Demo | LOL |
| 14:55.49 | Demo | so old right? |
| 14:55.54 | Clord | it is slowly nearing 1000 bookmarks :) |
| 14:56.12 | Clord | while my other maps has 1 bookmark by me |
| 14:56.13 | Clord | lol |
| 14:56.18 | Clord | as this sytem refuses to host them |
| 14:56.19 | Demo | yeah mine has 1 bookmark |
| 14:56.24 | Demo | I feel my map doesn't appeal to bnet though |
| 14:56.28 | Demo | even though it took me a long time |
| 14:56.40 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 14:56.42 | Demo | Someone played it for 5 minutes :/ |
| 14:57.09 | Clord | I have guess |
| 14:57.14 | Clord | XD |
| 14:57.19 | Clord | their fun or not system is beta |
| 14:57.22 | Clord | it might be plain broken |
| 14:57.25 | Clord | and not work as intended |
| 14:57.35 | Clord | because if it hosts THE Card Game in spam.. something is very wrong |
| 14:57.37 | Clord | lol |
| 14:57.37 | Demo | how hard is it to setup a working system though? |
| 14:57.52 | Demo | I mean if they made a complicated system, that's their own fault |
| 14:58.05 | Clord | more like |
| 14:58.10 | Clord | how they managed to do it wrong |
| 14:58.14 | Demo | imo |
| 14:58.20 | Demo | we can rate maps regardless of playing them |
| 14:58.38 | Demo | once a map gets rated about 20 times |
| 14:58.49 | Demo | it goes into fun or not to verify the integrity of the votes |
| 14:59.03 | Demo | if it goes above 75 it goes to the up and coming list |
| 14:59.17 | Demo | if it makes it into top 5 popularity, it gets removed off the up and coming list |
| 14:59.20 | Clord | currently it not seem to work so |
| 14:59.22 | Demo | top 5 pages* |
| 14:59.29 | Clord | but nice idea |
| 14:59.31 | Demo | but nooo |
| 14:59.35 | Demo | we have no criteria for it |
| 14:59.42 | Demo | no ability to even use it |
| 14:59.48 | Demo | I keep getting zealot frenzy |
| 15:00.12 | Clord | they should let us pick for example our map from up and coming list..and your hosted room would queue to fun or not ^^ |
| 15:00.20 | Clord | XD |
| 15:00.26 | Demo | Alright so I have the vectors that progammer so kindly unintentionally gave me |
| 15:00.51 | Clord | plagarism! |
| 15:00.55 | Clord | ;) |
| 15:01.01 | Demo | I'll be asking him lol |
| 15:02.03 | Demo | Hmm |
| 15:02.43 | Demo | I understand what a vector is, what I don't understand is galaxy |
| 15:02.53 | grim001 | whee, I have all 1612 natives declared in an an array declaration on a single line. |
| 15:03.00 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 15:03.29 | grim001 | I used AutoIt to parse a text file containing them into the proper format, then copy-and-pasted it back into AutoIt. |
| 15:03.40 | JademusSreg | Galaxy is easy, demo. |
| 15:03.49 | Demo | You keep saying that |
| 15:04.11 | grim001 | Galaxy is one of the easiest languages out there. it has so few keywords and symbols. |
| 15:04.28 | grim001 | I know that because I've had to create a list of every keyword and symbol in the language. :P |
| 15:05.18 | grim001 | Galaxy only has 11 keywords. |
| 15:05.50 | grim001 | along with the literals true false and null. |
| 15:06.32 | grim001 | and 31 symbols. and 1612 natives. |
| 15:06.42 | grim001 | so just... learn what they all do. |
| 15:06.50 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 15:07.05 | JademusSreg | Read the natives, and the AI natives if you plan on working with those. |
| 15:07.15 | grim001 | I forgot about the AI natives. |
| 15:07.19 | JademusSreg | Hahaha. |
| 15:07.24 | Demo | It would help if I knew what a native is, and don't say an indian. |
| 15:07.34 | JademusSreg | MTops would be disappoint to hear that. |
| 15:07.41 | Clord | I have theory why deck loading rarely fails for some players and same with stats etc |
| 15:07.47 | Clord | I don't have preload for bank |
| 15:07.48 | JademusSreg | A native is a function that is native to the language. |
| 15:07.50 | Clord | in intialization |
| 15:07.50 | Clord | XD |
| 15:07.54 | JademusSreg | You could say it lives there. |
| 15:08.17 | grim001 | Natives are the functions that exist for you by default. They are generally faster than functions written in Galaxy. |
| 15:08.36 | Demo | Faster to write or faster firing? |
| 15:08.44 | JademusSreg | Fire. |
| 15:08.53 | Demo | That doesn't matter to me personally |
| 15:09.08 | grim001 | No one uses the word "fire" to refer to a function running. |
| 15:09.16 | grim001 | Triggers fire. |
| 15:09.22 | Demo | events fire |
| 15:09.24 | Demo | fire burns. |
| 15:09.46 | grim001 | Events are merely things you use to inform triggers of when they should fire. |
| 15:10.08 | Demo | I understand, but he did get what I was saying |
| 15:10.48 | grim001 | The reason you need to understand what natives do is because they are the only method you have of interacting with the game while writing code in Galaxy. |
| 15:11.11 | grim001 | Speed is not the major concern for anything unless you are doing something crazy, which you wouldn't be. |
| 15:11.34 | Demo | What would be the biggest concern |
| 15:11.50 | JademusSreg | Calling a native function is faster than calling a non-native function. Natives are also responsible for modifying everything in the game outside the VM and its variables. |
| 15:11.51 | grim001 | Making code that is readable / understandable and bug-free. |
| 15:12.08 | JademusSreg | *what's inside the VM |
| 15:12.14 | Demo | I'm sure it could be said both ways though |
| 15:12.26 | JademusSreg | Anything can be said. |
| 15:12.40 | Clord | hi trigger! |
| 15:12.42 | Clord | fire trigger |
| 15:12.43 | Clord | lol |
| 15:13.14 | Clord | XD |
| 15:13.46 | Clord | one of stupidest things I have seen programming side |
| 15:13.47 | Clord | lol |
| 15:13.54 | Clord | localized programming language |
| 15:13.57 | Clord | you heard me lol |
| 15:14.17 | Demo | So, I'm going to be using galaxy because this is the only way I can see doing this easily... |
| 15:14.29 | Clord | let's say there is finnish dude who not know english..... he can use localized language to write in finnish >_> |
| 15:14.35 | grim001 | If you learn galaxy, you'll want to keep using it. |
| 15:14.35 | Demo | but I'll be copy pasting :/ |
| 15:14.42 | JademusSreg | Naw. |
| 15:15.01 | Demo | I need to make my soccerball bounce off of walls! |
| 15:15.08 | JademusSreg | Extract natives.galaxy from a patch mpq, the latest. |
| 15:15.22 | Clord | Demo.. that is easy |
| 15:15.24 | Clord | throw the ball |
| 15:15.25 | grim001 | I need to update my list of natives, I bet they've added more. |
| 15:15.26 | Clord | against wall |
| 15:15.26 | Clord | XD |
| 15:15.36 | Demo | Psh |
| 15:15.37 | Demo | I wish |
| 15:15.46 | JademusSreg | And extract NativesLib.galaxy if you want to see all the functions used by GUI. |
| 15:15.53 | JademusSreg | grim, yes. |
| 15:15.58 | JademusSreg | Some nice ones. |
| 15:15.59 | Clord | I wonder what would be holodeck programming like... |
| 15:16.01 | Clord | lol |
| 15:16.05 | Clord | let's carry this rock |
| 15:17.00 | grim001 | I assume that in the Star Trekian future, programming would consist of telling the computer what you want it to. Today's programming will look like punch cards. |
| 15:17.38 | Demo | Nah, the next step is us using our brains as a computer. |
| 15:17.54 | Demo | Voice Recognition software will always be bad. |
| 15:17.59 | Clord | I actually used my brain to play |
| 15:18.01 | Clord | www.emotiv.com |
| 15:18.02 | grim001 | Any time they were "writing a subroutine" in Star Trek it took about 15 seconds. |
| 15:18.04 | Clord | but I can tell you |
| 15:18.06 | Clord | it takes focusing |
| 15:18.11 | Clord | way more than typical controls |
| 15:18.17 | Clord | and gives you headache XD |
| 15:18.54 | JademusSreg | I'm assuming the future will be more like Firefly or Cowboy Bebop. Dirty and human. |
| 15:19.27 | grim001 | Star Trek isn't very realistic even for a projected future. |
| 15:19.41 | grim001 | I mean, obviously. |
| 15:19.44 | Clord | actually problem is holodeck |
| 15:19.46 | Demo | Well, what we consider the future is going to be wrong because there will be no future |
| 15:19.47 | JademusSreg | Demo, one cannot reasonably simultaneously assert we will accomplish sentience uploading and say voice recognition will always be bad. |
| 15:19.47 | Clord | it would require insane space |
| 15:19.48 | Clord | in reality |
| 15:19.51 | Clord | as you would move around |
| 15:20.02 | Clord | definately not viable for combat ship XD |
| 15:20.07 | Demo | 2012 is comign folks! |
| 15:20.07 | Clord | even leisure purposes |
| 15:20.20 | depthsofchaos | 2011 is the new 2012 |
| 15:20.20 | JademusSreg | The former problem is a superset of the latter problem. |
| 15:20.35 | Clord | yeah japan incident |
| 15:20.40 | Clord | some probably already freak out |
| 15:20.41 | Clord | XD |
| 15:20.49 | Clord | oh and france or french war |
| 15:20.50 | Clord | whatever |
| 15:20.51 | JademusSreg | 2012 is just another year. |
| 15:20.52 | Clord | vs libya |
| 15:21.00 | Demo | Well, most of the people believe the 2012 thing is a polar shift |
| 15:21.12 | Clord | well |
| 15:21.14 | Clord | as far I know |
| 15:21.18 | Clord | that would not be very bad thing |
| 15:21.19 | Demo | they will use any highly theoretical thing to make it sound realistic. |
| 15:21.19 | JademusSreg | Pity all those folks whose minds are contaminated with that new age meme. |
| 15:21.20 | Lilianna | The most intense polar shift ever! |
| 15:21.41 | depthsofchaos | the world has ended a lot of times |
| 15:21.44 | depthsofchaos | we just didnt notice |
| 15:21.49 | Clord | yeah |
| 15:21.52 | Clord | and aliens was recently |
| 15:21.56 | Clord | supposed to contact our world |
| 15:21.57 | Demo | People wonder why history only goes back so far. |
| 15:22.03 | Clord | and come to visit |
| 15:22.08 | Clord | that female got labeled as insane |
| 15:22.14 | Clord | as she ended up being wrong |
| 15:22.16 | Demo | It's because the earth every so often says fuck you, and kicks you in the face. |
| 15:22.36 | JademusSreg | So Demo, try writing simple things in galaxy. |
| 15:22.46 | Demo | oh, that and because black people were born from adam and eve. |
| 15:22.53 | Demo | anyways |
| 15:23.05 | JademusSreg | =\ |
| 15:23.05 | Clord | black people |
| 15:23.07 | Clord | there is no black people |
| 15:23.10 | Clord | lol |
| 15:23.13 | Clord | or yes there is |
| 15:23.16 | Clord | but let's pretend not |
| 15:23.20 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 15:23.25 | Demo | I'm starting to understand how it works, where as before it looked like a bunch of letters |
| 15:23.34 | Clord | it is to be racist proof to not even mention them |
| 15:23.35 | Clord | XD |
| 15:23.39 | Clord | otherwise they get their guns out |
| 15:23.43 | Clord | and start shooting agressively |
| 15:23.46 | Demo | I don't understand why my african-american friends get mad when I make racist jokes |
| 15:24.00 | Lilianna | Everyone is just a gory sack of innards when you look inside. c___c |
| 15:24.08 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 15:24.14 | Clord | LIlianna is next Jigsaw |
| 15:24.14 | Clord | lol |
| 15:24.15 | Clord | XD |
| 15:24.16 | depthsofchaos | prove it |
| 15:24.17 | Clord | in real world |
| 15:24.25 | Lilianna | whos Jigsaw? |
| 15:24.31 | JademusSreg | Wakka wakka |
| 15:24.35 | depthsofchaos | you are |
| 15:24.39 | Demo | For instance, I asked one of my black friends why he has a nice car, nice clothes, and a decent amount of money, but still lives in the ghetto with his mom. |
| 15:24.56 | Demo | He said he hasn't figured out how to steal a house yet. |
| 15:24.57 | Clord | I have watched all seven saw movies and it started to turn more crappy per movie XD |
| 15:25.05 | JademusSreg | Baduntsss |
| 15:25.34 | Clord | why horror movies are so much about comedy nowadays unintentionally |
| 15:25.41 | Clord | isn't they supposed to strike fear or something? |
| 15:25.55 | Lilianna | I dont watch horror movies :o |
| 15:26.09 | Demo | Yes, but they don't because intelligent people that try to watch them understand that it's scary and do not get scared. |
| 15:26.09 | JademusSreg | Horror movies are lame. |
| 15:26.11 | Clord | horror movies hardly even exist |
| 15:26.15 | Clord | they are more like comedy |
| 15:26.20 | Demo | Exactly |
| 15:26.33 | Demo | I mean the last movie everyone talked about how scary it was |
| 15:26.38 | Demo | was that gay paranormal movie |
| 15:26.45 | depthsofchaos | theres a lot of asian fucked up horror |
| 15:26.55 | Lilianna | Death Lamp Shade! |
| 15:26.56 | Clord | you mean that my higher IQ makes me less scared? |
| 15:26.58 | Clord | there is point |
| 15:27.00 | Demo | The original shutter |
| 15:27.02 | Demo | the original grudge |
| 15:27.05 | Clord | I have hard time to get immersed to games |
| 15:27.07 | JademusSreg | Paranormal State was so lame, Judd Apatow made a film about it called Super Lame. |
| 15:27.07 | Clord | or movies |
| 15:27.07 | Demo | both WAY better than the new oens. |
| 15:27.26 | Demo | original grudge was still pretty bad |
| 15:27.40 | Clord | first problem I face with horror movies is that I know they are acted |
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| 15:27.47 | JademusSreg | I don't discriminate; J-Horror is lame too. Just uses a different aesthetic. |
| 15:28.05 | Clord | and because I know horror movies are acted.... you can't really do anything |
| 15:28.07 | Clord | to make it scare me |
| 15:28.24 | JademusSreg | Pale and blue and black instead of the traditional squirting reds of traditional horror fare. |
| 15:29.10 | Clord | now computer game called "amnesia the dark descent"... I felt it bit how game can be scary... but any horror movie has not came close to that after I grew up |
| 15:29.33 | Demo | What is your native language Clord? |
| 15:29.38 | depthsofchaos | if they cant scrae youtheyll try to disgust you :p |
| 15:29.39 | JademusSreg | It's all a cheap gimmick aimed at provoking a response. |
| 15:29.49 | Clord | I let monster to beat my guy as I can't be bothered to escape |
| 15:30.06 | depthsofchaos | amnesia is scary :o |
| 15:30.10 | Clord | lol |
| 15:30.12 | depthsofchaos | condamned 2 as well |
| 15:30.14 | Clord | when quest room monster appeared |
| 15:30.18 | Clord | I ran past it to door |
| 15:30.27 | Clord | that guy has crappy turn rate |
| 15:30.39 | Clord | he was too busy acting scary to react |
| 15:31.45 | Clord | hehe btw... one guy who did own "let's play amnesia" thing from start to end |
| 15:31.47 | Clord | in youtube |
| 15:31.50 | depthsofchaos | well if you look at it your suposed to faint |
| 15:31.51 | Clord | censored all penises |
| 15:31.52 | Clord | XD |
| 15:31.58 | Clord | with head |
| 15:32.05 | depthsofchaos | you're |
| 15:32.11 | depthsofchaos | lawl |
| 15:33.55 | Clord | me? |
| 15:33.58 | Clord | that guy is daniel |
| 15:34.04 | Clord | lol |
| 15:34.18 | Clord | and this is probably what took most scariness away |
| 15:34.30 | Clord | you are like possessor |
| 15:34.32 | Clord | puppet master |
| 15:34.34 | Clord | kinda |
| 15:37.36 | Clord | hey I found awesome play throught dude for amnesia dark descent |
| 15:37.38 | Clord | http://www.youtube.com/user/CinnamonToastKen#p/c/7CFD2DE309F69CCC/10/TIbDEIpTiQE |
| 15:37.57 | Demo | I'm buying it right now |
| 15:37.59 | Clord | he shows himself in small part of screen |
| 15:38.01 | Clord | XD |
| 15:38.06 | Demo | it looks good enough to play |
| 15:38.07 | Clord | how he reacts |
| 15:38.09 | Demo | for 6$ lol |
| 15:38.19 | Clord | if you are certain type |
| 15:38.23 | Clord | you gonna shit bricks |
| 15:38.25 | Demo | nah |
| 15:38.25 | Clord | XD |
| 15:38.32 | Demo | I need to darken my room though |
| 15:38.40 | Demo | too many windows |
| 15:38.42 | Clord | http://www.youtube.com/user/CinnamonToastKen#p/c/7CFD2DE309F69CCC/0/k_Rb0bhLMXA |
| 15:39.15 | Clord | some guy refused to almost make more videos because was too scared XD |
| 15:39.56 | JademusSreg | =\ |
| 15:40.10 | Clord | "Don't forget... some things must be forgotten" |
| 15:40.18 | Clord | XD |
| 15:40.23 | depthsofchaos | lawl this guy plays terribly :p bad players will be more scared ^^ |
| 15:40.24 | Demo | I'm gonna try to contact the zealot frenzy guy or wait for pro to be on |
| 15:40.29 | Clord | oh |
| 15:40.34 | Demo | because pros thing is designed for moving stuffs |
| 15:40.39 | Clord | "don't forget.... some things must not be forgotten" |
| 15:40.40 | Clord | ^^ |
| 15:41.30 | Clord | that guy is first one who in beginning of that game |
| 15:41.33 | Clord | just looks floor |
| 15:41.34 | Clord | lol |
| 15:41.34 | Demo | YAY for 3k download speed |
| 15:42.02 | Demo | do you already have the natives out jademussreg ? |
| 15:42.11 | Demo | or do you still have yet to remove them |
| 15:42.27 | Demo | I meant kb lol |
| 15:42.28 | Demo | 3 kb |
| 15:42.34 | Demo | It's at 2mb nao |
| 15:42.48 | Demo | Do YOU have the natives sir clord |
| 15:43.44 | JademusSreg | Clord doesn't use galaxy. |
| 15:43.50 | Demo | Psh what a loser |
| 15:43.55 | JManV|Work | ikr |
| 15:43.57 | Demo | oh wait |
| 15:44.00 | JManV|Work | only losers use GUI |
| 15:44.05 | Demo | I use GUI |
| 15:44.09 | JManV|Work | me too :( |
| 15:44.13 | Demo | but I'm going to ATTEMPT to switch |
| 15:44.26 | Clord | nah |
| 15:44.28 | Clord | I'm fine |
| 15:44.30 | Demo | JManV are you good with vectors and making balls hit walls and come back to you? |
| 15:44.32 | Clord | as people like my work |
| 15:44.32 | Clord | XD |
| 15:44.39 | Demo | My work is solid |
| 15:44.42 | Demo | my ideas are solid |
| 15:44.49 | Demo | the people that it appeals to |
| 15:44.53 | Demo | like 20 people on bnet |
| 15:44.56 | JManV|Work | i'm not great with collisions |
| 15:45.01 | JManV|Work | but i do know that i = r |
| 15:45.04 | Clord | they don't really give damn how I did my maps as long performance is good and map is fun to play |
| 15:45.09 | Demo | i r baboon? |
| 15:45.26 | JManV|Work | angle of infraction = angle of reflection |
| 15:45.34 | JManV|Work | inflection? |
| 15:45.37 | JManV|Work | either way |
| 15:45.39 | Clord | as probably over 99% of players of my map not even know how to do map like that |
| 15:45.57 | Demo | That's why I am more irritated now with blizz than ebfore 1.3 |
| 15:46.02 | Demo | and not because of the fail of fun or not |
| 15:46.07 | Demo | but their tutorials |
| 15:46.10 | Demo | have nothing to do |
| 15:46.21 | Demo | with anyone but the 99% that don't make maps |
| 15:46.35 | Demo | and even they could figure out how to make terrain. |
| 15:46.35 | JManV|Work | they're trying to get more people into it |
| 15:46.42 | Demo | you know why that is? |
| 15:46.43 | Clord | funny note.. blizzard mappers did camapign maps and their custom maps with GUI XD |
| 15:47.01 | JManV|Work | there are benefits to the GUI |
| 15:47.10 | JManV|Work | like automatic variable renaming |
| 15:47.16 | depthsofchaos | like everything :o |
| 15:47.23 | depthsofchaos | no point in using galaxy |
| 15:47.25 | Demo | If I can learn one, I can use both. |
| 15:47.30 | JManV|Work | there can be |
| 15:47.31 | depthsofchaos | just slows you down |
| 15:47.39 | Demo | I dunno |
| 15:47.39 | JademusSreg | There is a point, depth. |
| 15:47.44 | depthsofchaos | okay maybe making dynamic triggers |
| 15:47.51 | Demo | I get irritated with a LOT of the functions that don't work because they are worded wrong |
| 15:47.55 | JManV|Work | i don't use galaxy because of variable names like this: lib059B7E60_gv_cDialogHeaderHeight |
| 15:48.08 | JManV|Work | it's a lot faster to just find that variable in a dialog... most of the time |
| 15:48.37 | JManV|Work | (some of them actually get a lot longer than that - i have a habit of really verbose variable names) |
| 15:48.42 | Deaod | wtf, if you work exclusively in galaxy, you dont get those variable names |
| 15:48.42 | Demo | I mean I'm sure my maps way of finding movable spaces on the arena would have been 100x cleaner in galaxy |
| 15:49.03 | JManV|Work | GUI allows me to use meaningful, long variable names without consequence |
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| 15:49.29 | JManV|Work | there's no way i could do my map exclusively in galaxy |
| 15:49.37 | Deaod | really? |
| 15:49.47 | Demo | My next map, is going to be oodles of fun |
| 15:49.54 | Demo | for both me and my friends |
| 15:50.01 | JManV|Work | not to mention, my map is already like 7k+ lines of GUI code |
| 15:50.08 | Demo | and I think doing it in GUI will result in a faster release |
| 15:50.17 | Demo | My first ever map |
| 15:50.28 | Demo | had 28mb (uncompressed) in triggers |
| 15:50.33 | JademusSreg | Mmm: http://www.theonion.com/video/cias-facebook-program-dramatically-cut-agencys-cos,19753/ |
| 15:50.37 | Demo | took 4 minutes to load |
| 15:50.39 | JManV|Work | hehe |
| 15:50.43 | JManV|Work | yeah i saw that yesterday |
| 15:50.48 | Deaod | we'll talk in a year or so again. |
| 15:51.07 | Demo | the best part is all the people posting like it's real |
| 15:51.21 | JManV|Work | the onion is just awesome for shit like that |
| 15:52.27 | Clord | onion knight power! |
| 15:52.32 | Clord | you know |
| 15:52.34 | Clord | that class kicks ass |
| 15:52.35 | Clord | XD |
| 15:53.05 | Clord | why that amnesia playing guy has avatar about female's boobs |
| 15:53.06 | Clord | lol |
| 15:53.18 | Clord | oh right |
| 15:53.25 | Clord | when I first time went to his youtube page |
| 15:53.28 | Clord | I thought he is kid and left |
| 15:53.32 | Deaod | im not sure if thats a joke or not. |
| 15:53.34 | Clord | lol |
| 15:53.36 | Deaod | pretty sure it is. |
| 15:53.49 | Clord | I look his videos about him playing in camera view |
| 15:53.49 | Deaod | the link jademus posted, that is. |
| 15:53.51 | Clord | that guy is adult |
| 15:53.54 | Clord | probably over 30 |
| 15:53.54 | Clord | XD |
| 15:53.58 | JademusSreg | =) |
| 15:54.11 | Clord | http://www.youtube.com/user/CinnamonToastKen#p/c/7CFD2DE309F69CCC/0/k_Rb0bhLMXA |
| 15:54.12 | Clord | this dude |
| 15:54.59 | Demo | Clord where are you from? |
| 15:56.50 | Demo | Jade do you have the natives list or should I go get it myself |
| 15:57.19 | JademusSreg | I have it, I can package it for you. |
| 15:57.40 | Clord | Finland |
| 15:57.43 | Clord | lol |
| 15:58.11 | Demo | If you wouldn't mind |
| 15:58.17 | Demo | ThomasLevens@gmail.com |
| 15:58.21 | depthsofchaos | all i know about finland is yolopuki :o |
| 15:58.32 | Demo | Downloading an MPQ Editor, looking for what I need and probably getting it wrong :/ |
| 15:58.50 | Demo | I have an interesting bug, but I don't want to report it... |
| 15:59.02 | Demo | I transfered my sc2 account to a new battle.net account |
| 15:59.34 | Demo | and all of my maps, are still published and accessible by me, but they aren't counting towards my 10 maps, or my size limit |
| 16:00.00 | Clord | what the hell is "yolopuki"? |
| 16:00.01 | Clord | XD |
| 16:00.16 | depthsofchaos | no clue isnt he like the finnish santa? |
| 16:00.27 | Clord | if you mean santa claus |
| 16:00.34 | Clord | then it is "joulupukki" |
| 16:00.35 | Clord | XD |
| 16:00.42 | grim001 | Demo are you attempting to extract the list of natives just so you can see what they are? |
| 16:00.45 | depthsofchaos | thats it :p |
| 16:00.51 | Demo | Yes |
| 16:00.54 | Clord | I guessed you tried to say that word |
| 16:00.55 | Clord | ^^ |
| 16:00.56 | depthsofchaos | i sat in his lap once |
| 16:00.59 | Demo | and have them on my second screen for referance/use |
| 16:00.59 | Clord | but I asked to make sure XD |
| 16:01.12 | Clord | yeah and in our culture |
| 16:01.18 | Clord | santa claus lives in our country |
| 16:01.20 | Clord | XD |
| 16:01.22 | Demo | you give presents to him? |
| 16:01.24 | grim001 | Demo, have you ever used an appropriate text editor for programming such as Notepad++ before |
| 16:01.29 | grim001 | that is what autocomplete it for |
| 16:01.33 | grim001 | *is |
| 16:01.38 | depthsofchaos | clord he came to hungary :p |
| 16:01.46 | Demo | yeah I have a very few amount of times |
| 16:01.58 | Clord | quickly hotels there |
| 16:02.01 | Clord | monopoly man |
| 16:02.12 | grim001 | Demo, if you seriously want to learn Galaxy, the first step is to download and become familiar with a good text editor such as Notepad++ |
| 16:02.32 | grim001 | scripting inside the editor is suicide |
| 16:02.35 | Demo | Are you talking about normal notepad or is the ++ there for a reason |
| 16:02.45 | Clord | it is notepad++ |
| 16:02.47 | JademusSreg | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/natives.galaxy |
| 16:02.49 | Clord | it means way more advanced |
| 16:02.52 | Clord | XD |
| 16:03.03 | JademusSreg | It means an incremental improvement. |
| 16:03.17 | JademusSreg | Not an newspeak doubleplus good. |
| 16:03.19 | Clord | it is kinda like in RPG games |
| 16:03.22 | Clord | you have iron sword |
| 16:03.25 | Clord | and iron sword+ |
| 16:03.33 | Demo | DAS NOTEPAD IS INSTALLERED |
| 16:04.04 | Clord | iron sword+ plus might have bit better stats and/or require lower stats/level/whatever to wield |
| 16:05.37 | Deaod | main improvement of C++ over C: preincrement/predecrement and postincrement/postdecrement |
| 16:05.50 | depthsofchaos | lawl |
| 16:06.03 | Demo | Is this how I use it grim001? http://pastebin.com/YSwzmM22 |
| 16:06.10 | Deaod | which is arguably not an improvement |
| 16:06.44 | Deaod | thats not galaxy code |
| 16:06.55 | Deaod | thats pseudocode at best |
| 16:07.02 | Demo | I know I just wanted him to look lol |
| 16:07.37 | Clord | I have still to finish penumbra |
| 16:07.38 | Clord | ^^ |
| 16:07.41 | grim001 | ... |
| 16:07.51 | Demo | I'm off to play amnesia, thank you though grim001 |
| 16:08.00 | grim001 | ok |
| 16:08.15 | Demo | unless there is anything else you wanted to tell me |
| 16:08.21 | Deaod | now ... how to implement scopes and variable shadowing... |
| 16:08.22 | Clord | in their games before they made amnesia.. like in penumbra |
| 16:08.26 | Clord | you can defend yourself |
| 16:08.34 | Clord | with weak melee weapons |
| 16:08.36 | Clord | XD |
| 16:08.44 | JademusSreg | So, neat mods in the mpq that have yet to be seen implemented. |
| 16:08.51 | JademusSreg | Check it out. |
| 16:08.51 | depthsofchaos | play condamned clord :o |
| 16:08.58 | depthsofchaos | and tell me it didnt scare you |
| 16:09.07 | depthsofchaos | so i can call bullshit on you :p |
| 16:09.20 | JademusSreg | BlizzardDOTA, Ghost, Smash, and Stariablo. |
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| 16:11.52 | grim001 | Maybe Starcraft: Ghost will become a lame SC2 mod. |
| 16:12.08 | JademusSreg | Seems that way. |
| 16:12.55 | JademusSreg | It's certainly a hint at what maps they are working on at the studio. |
| 16:13.39 | JademusSreg | Smash and Ghost don't have trigger files. |
| 16:15.21 | JademusSreg | But Stariablo and BlizzardDOTA do, so you can insert them into maps and see what triggers they have planned. |
| 16:15.46 | Deaod | Stariablo? |
| 16:15.52 | Deaod | Diablo in space... |
| 16:16.02 | JademusSreg | Starcraft Diablo I'm guessing. |
| 16:16.11 | JademusSreg | Pew pew Laser Barbarian |
| 16:16.21 | Deaod | hmpf. |
| 16:16.26 | grim001 | Time to make a script to pull out all of the natives and nativelib functions from these giant files |
| 16:16.58 | Clord | I played the sims medieval and then electricty got cutted off by storm |
| 16:16.59 | Clord | lol |
| 16:18.18 | depthsofchaos | how do i make an actor scale get biger with stacked behaviours?:o |
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| 16:18.23 | depthsofchaos | without making validator |
| 16:18.27 | depthsofchaos | for each size |
| 16:18.57 | depthsofchaos | seting relative scale doesnt work either :o |
| 16:19.27 | JademusSreg | Damn. |
| 16:20.01 | JademusSreg | Get the scale each time you increase it, do it via trigger. =) |
| 16:20.09 | JademusSreg | So, pseudocode: |
| 16:20.31 | depthsofchaos | theres a compare field |
| 16:20.31 | JademusSreg | UnitSetScale(u,UnitGetScale(u)+value) |
| 16:20.43 | depthsofchaos | in terms of actors |
| 16:20.47 | depthsofchaos | but doesnt seem to work |
| 16:21.55 | depthsofchaos | well if i really have to ill use trigger |
| 16:22.11 | JademusSreg | Data can't be made to do even arithmetic operations. If relative scale doesn't work, that only leaves triggering it. |
| 16:22.16 | depthsofchaos | but using triggers for only visuals is not something i like :p |
| 16:22.56 | depthsofchaos | well theres no such action as relative scale |
| 16:22.57 | depthsofchaos | by name |
| 16:23.02 | JademusSreg | I know. |
| 16:23.11 | Kueken1 | thats just calculation o_0# |
| 16:25.25 | JademusSreg | # it. ^ it up. |
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| 16:43.17 | Clord | the sims medieval teaches me so much about history |
| 16:43.21 | Clord | there is dragons back then |
| 16:43.28 | Clord | was |
| 16:43.31 | JademusSreg | Of course. |
| 16:43.43 | Clord | tentacle monster in pit where criminals was killed |
| 16:43.49 | Clord | or innocent |
| 16:44.08 | Clord | they have sports like poke dragon and try to survive |
| 16:44.09 | Clord | lol |
| 16:44.25 | Clord | oh and |
| 16:44.29 | Clord | I was able to legalize it |
| 16:44.30 | Clord | XD |
| 16:45.11 | A1win | duh I need to move my upgrade UI, its texts are right where chat texts are =p didn't realize it when testing solo |
| 16:45.19 | JademusSreg | Tentacle monsters? Sounds like hentai. |
| 16:45.38 | Clord | it appears even outisde hentai lol |
| 16:45.41 | JademusSreg | A1, why not move the chat text panel? |
| 16:45.56 | A1win | can I change its position during the game? |
| 16:46.05 | A1win | cause if I move it up, then it'd be weird during missions |
| 16:46.09 | JademusSreg | Naw, can't dynamically change it. |
| 16:46.12 | A1win | mm... |
| 16:46.14 | A1win | well anyway |
| 16:46.27 | A1win | I think the upgrade UI will actually be better at the top of the screen |
| 16:46.32 | A1win | the inventories will be right next to it |
| 16:46.41 | depthsofchaos | lawl found a blizzard data coding bug :p |
| 16:46.46 | A1win | and it makes more sense since the menu to open it is also at the top |
| 16:46.50 | depthsofchaos | they use a remove behaviour with 0 cound |
| 16:46.54 | depthsofchaos | count |
| 16:46.58 | A1win | just need to move the default game menu down so I can pack them closer to the top of the screen |
| 16:47.31 | A1win | then I can move the chat box down :o |
| 16:47.59 | A1win | but not sure what I'll need for mission UI yet... so not gnona do that yet |
| 16:48.28 | Clord | lol in the sims medieval game... there is freedom slider in options |
| 16:48.43 | Clord | basically it is that how brain dead you want your society to be |
| 16:48.52 | A1win | oh yeah got an awesome addon idea: gives a chance to all your weapons to make zerg attack their friendlies when they take damage from you |
| 16:48.56 | Clord | at least those you can control XD |
| 16:50.27 | A1win | that's in the default sims too ;x |
| 16:50.43 | A1win | ...I hear |
| 16:50.44 | A1win | ! |
| 16:51.20 | depthsofchaos | can you execute people for witchcraft |
| 16:51.31 | A1win | but yay my enemy group autobalance based on number of players worked on the first attempt o: |
| 16:51.48 | depthsofchaos | alwin youre making no sense :o |
| 16:52.30 | A1win | hostil enemy groups that change their composition when a new player joins the mission, or someone leaves it :P |
| 16:54.06 | Clord | you can also persoanlly beat crap out of scum of society |
| 16:54.06 | Clord | lol |
| 16:54.19 | Clord | instead punish them |
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| 16:54.29 | A1win | 1 marine turns into 2 marines for two players, 1 marine and 1 marauder for 3 players, 2 marines and 1 marauders for 4 players, 3 marines and 1 marauders for 5 players, and 2 marines and 2 marauders for 6 players... |
| 16:54.37 | A1win | for example |
| 16:55.01 | Ashamed | oh man |
| 16:55.30 | A1win | and it only swaps the enemy groups who aren't currently visible to players (and whose spawn point isn't visible), and teleports them back to their spawn point |
| 16:56.10 | depthsofchaos | or just make the map so good that no one leaves :P |
| 16:56.26 | A1win | that's not the reason for the balance ;p |
| 16:56.36 | A1win | the players can join and leave missions during the game |
| 16:56.42 | depthsofchaos | ah |
| 16:56.53 | A1win | short'ish missions |
| 16:57.06 | A1win | which I haven't created yet :P |
| 16:59.34 | A1win | this would be perfect if new players could join the map while it's running... but can't have everything I suppose :< |
| 16:59.46 | Clord | yeah |
| 16:59.59 | A1win | but well, it's easy to create a new game with short missions like these |
| 17:00.08 | A1win | and your character saved to a bank |
| 17:00.50 | A1win | and if someone's cheating, you can just not play with them :P and if you want to cheat, you can do it with your friends since it's a co-op |
| 17:01.10 | A1win | so doesn't really matter that badly if someone manages to hack the bank |
| 17:03.22 | depthsofchaos | hmm it doesnt seem to be possible to hide a unit from its ownerr :o |
| 17:03.24 | depthsofchaos | when in fog |
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| 17:08.22 | JManV|Work | you can't tell me what to do! |
| 17:09.20 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
| 17:09.36 | JademusSreg | Just updated the my galaxy syntax highlight file. Woo. |
| 17:10.46 | grim001 | What about the one I sent you a while back, which was an edited version of yours? |
| 17:10.55 | grim001 | I'm trying to update that with the new stuff right now. |
| 17:11.03 | grim001 | and I've continued to make a few changes to it over time. |
| 17:11.42 | JademusSreg | The modified one you sent me have problems working with the theme, for some odd reason. |
| 17:11.52 | JademusSreg | So I reverted. |
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| 17:13.30 | JademusSreg | brb, changing a diaper |
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| 17:15.33 | Fisker | stares |
| 17:16.20 | grim001 | accidentally knocked the power cord out of my router... |
| 17:16.41 | grim001 | anyway, I am updating the style currently |
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| 17:20.15 | JManV|Work | so can anyone think of tasteful april fool's jokes to play on my boss? |
| 17:20.21 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 17:20.23 | JademusSreg | No. |
| 17:20.33 | JademusSreg | Tasteful is boring. |
| 17:21.14 | JManV|Work | ok, well, ones that won't get me fired :P |
| 17:21.24 | JManV|Work | he has a good sense of humor |
| 17:21.44 | depthsofchaos | just make sure he doesnt know it was you |
| 17:21.48 | JademusSreg | I guess prostitues are out of the questuion. |
| 17:21.57 | depthsofchaos | pour some milk into his cars hood |
| 17:22.02 | JManV|Work | and i could easily get everyone in IT in on it, and i should also be able to get into his office if need be |
| 17:22.12 | JManV|Work | but subverting his computer is out of the question |
| 17:22.57 | depthsofchaos | pretend there was a murder |
| 17:23.00 | depthsofchaos | in his office |
| 17:23.30 | JManV|Work | this one seems like fun: http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-Fill-an-Office-with-Packing-Peanuts/ |
| 17:23.57 | JademusSreg | Get a young prostitute to pretend she is a daughter he never knew. |
| 17:24.03 | JManV|Work | heh |
| 17:24.16 | depthsofchaos | lol, i saw a prank where they sealed off his office entirely as if it didnt even exist |
| 17:24.30 | JademusSreg | You might need to do a prostitute casting meeting, though, to find one that is both passable and a fair actress. |
| 17:24.45 | JManV|Work | i dont think he'd buy the prostitiute bit |
| 17:24.56 | JManV|Work | i don't think he's the type to have a daughter he doesn't know about |
| 17:25.26 | JademusSreg | She shouldn't look like a prostitute; I suggest that because I expect they work cheap. |
| 17:25.32 | A1win | get an old prostitute to pretend she's his real mother |
| 17:26.29 | depthsofchaos | or just cancel his wow account |
| 17:27.03 | JManV|Work | heh |
| 17:27.09 | JManV|Work | he doesn't have a WoW account |
| 17:27.25 | A1win | where's the custom GUI tutorial again? |
| 17:27.27 | depthsofchaos | then order tons of porn magazines to his office |
| 17:27.32 | depthsofchaos | and dildos |
| 17:27.53 | Clord | actually prostitutes can take insane amount money.... but their problem is that most goes to their "casanova" |
| 17:27.53 | Clord | XD |
| 17:28.15 | JademusSreg | Pimp. |
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| 17:29.01 | tordy | hi there |
| 17:29.04 | tordy | JManV|Work: |
| 17:29.04 | tordy | D: |
| 17:29.10 | JademusSreg | No need to euphemize pimp. |
| 17:29.20 | depthsofchaos | organize him dates on some gay size |
| 17:29.22 | depthsofchaos | site |
| 17:29.33 | tordy | JademusSreg: sip |
| 17:29.49 | A1win | found it... |
| 17:30.57 | JademusSreg | Sip? |
| 17:31.31 | tordy | *sup |
| 17:32.01 | JademusSreg | =) |
| 17:32.07 | tordy | :( |
| 17:32.21 | tordy | did blizz fix the servers |
| 17:32.36 | Clord | ^^ |
| 17:32.46 | tordy | is that a no |
| 17:33.01 | JademusSreg | Dunno. I haven't been on since last Friday. |
| 17:33.11 | Demo | Well tordy |
| 17:33.18 | Demo | you assume blizzard fixes things |
| 17:33.23 | tordy | i do not! |
| 17:33.28 | tordy | i always assume the worst from blizzard |
| 17:33.31 | Demo | blizzard fixed NOTHING |
| 17:33.36 | tordy | that way i feel better when they did fix something |
| 17:33.37 | tordy | oh |
| 17:33.45 | tordy | so my feelings toward blizz didnt change |
| 17:33.46 | Demo | that's their philosophy too |
| 17:33.51 | Demo | make the worst of thigns |
| 17:33.55 | Demo | so when they fix them slightly |
| 17:33.57 | Demo | we praise them |
| 17:34.07 | tordy | those bastards! |
| 17:34.15 | Demo | I think the whole increasing our map limit |
| 17:34.18 | Demo | was just a ploy |
| 17:34.26 | Demo | to make us go O MAN THEY GAVE US MORE! |
| 17:34.33 | Clord | in starcraft2 site worships those blizzard's tutorials like sc2mapster didn't exist |
| 17:34.34 | Clord | XD |
| 17:34.49 | Clord | players |
| 17:35.00 | tordy | i love firefox 4 |
| 17:35.05 | tordy | it's go sleek |
| 17:35.06 | tordy | and fast |
| 17:35.08 | tordy | liek chrome |
| 17:35.18 | JademusSreg | I imagine most players aren't aware mapster exists. |
| 17:35.38 | tordy | most players played sc2 for 10 minutes |
| 17:35.43 | Demo | The problem with blizzard |
| 17:35.51 | Demo | is instead of doing a tutorial on say their data editor |
| 17:35.58 | tordy | and then were like op back to WoW |
| 17:35.59 | Demo | they do one on the simplest one |
| 17:36.02 | Demo | their terrain editor. |
| 17:36.10 | Demo | oh |
| 17:36.11 | tordy | they did tutorials? |
| 17:36.13 | Demo | and publishing |
| 17:36.15 | Demo | yeah |
| 17:36.19 | Demo | they released 2 tutorials |
| 17:36.24 | Clord | their idea is that melee mapper should not need to have clue about data editor |
| 17:36.24 | Demo | in their map area on the sc2 fansite |
| 17:36.25 | Clord | XD |
| 17:36.36 | tordy | well writing a data tutorial is too much work for blizzard |
| 17:36.49 | Demo | they made the data editor |
| 17:36.57 | Demo | outlining more things on what they do would be nice |
| 17:37.07 | tordy | what like a user manual |
| 17:37.16 | tordy | for people that write software |
| 17:37.16 | Clord | sc2mapster already does that.... they are bit late of party to even tell basics |
| 17:37.17 | Clord | lol |
| 17:37.18 | JademusSreg | Demo, they are a business, not our dudebros. They have priorities mostly unrelated to our hobby. |
| 17:37.38 | tordy | maping is like super low on their priority list |
| 17:37.40 | JademusSreg | Their editor dev team is tiny. |
| 17:37.47 | Demo | then they should say it instead of claiming how much they love us and want to help us |
| 17:38.12 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 17:38.18 | tordy | xd |
| 17:38.31 | JademusSreg | If Blizzard says the love me, I'd be creeped out. |
| 17:39.00 | tordy | blizzard could be mister rogers for a day |
| 17:39.05 | Demo | I personally feel that sc2 was really a cancelled project and the time put into it now is when there is nothing left to do during the workday |
| 17:39.16 | Demo | is really* |
| 17:39.24 | tordy | nah |
| 17:39.42 | tordy | it's just blizz's philosophy is different |
| 17:39.49 | Demo | The amount of "features" and "new things" we've been getting, we could have done in a weekend. |
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| 17:40.00 | tordy | i dont know about that |
| 17:40.09 | Demo | Let me rephrase |
| 17:40.28 | Demo | The amount of "features" and "new things" that we've needed, we could have done in a weekend. |
| 17:40.44 | Demo | When they were adding "facebook integration", we needed chat channels. |
| 17:40.57 | tordy | it's all business |
| 17:41.02 | Demo | When they created "the master league" we needed a good popularity system |
| 17:41.05 | Clord | maybe there was legal crap behind it.... |
| 17:41.08 | Clord | I mean |
| 17:41.10 | Clord | with facebook deal |
| 17:41.12 | Clord | etc |
| 17:41.17 | Demo | You do realize that blizzards motto is "gameplay first" right? |
| 17:41.27 | Clord | reminds me |
| 17:41.32 | tordy | that clearly isnt the case anymore after the activision merger |
| 17:41.32 | Clord | facebook integration still exist in game |
| 17:41.42 | Clord | but I don't have seen anyone mentioning that has used it |
| 17:41.43 | Clord | XD |
| 17:41.52 | Demo | Activision has no direction control over blizzard |
| 17:41.54 | tordy | people used it? |
| 17:41.58 | Demo | but they share the same shareholders |
| 17:42.16 | Demo | so they have to keep their shareholders happy |
| 17:42.24 | Demo | well they haven't been doing that either |
| 17:42.46 | tordy | they only need WoW to keep their shareholders happy |
| 17:44.48 | JademusSreg | It's like the red queen says, you have to run awfully fast just to stay in place, and faster still to get anywhere. Life must expand, as must companies and empires. |
| 17:45.23 | JademusSreg | Proliferate or be extinguished. |
| 17:47.56 | JManV|Work | so i think i'm gonna do the packing peanuts thing |
| 17:48.07 | JManV|Work | everyone seems all about it |
| 17:48.39 | JademusSreg | You're going to fill his chest cavity with packing peanuts? Classic. |
| 17:49.20 | JademusSreg | "Hey, where did my internal organs go?! Ohhh, you guys! Come 'er.' |
| 17:49.21 | JManV|Work | yes. we're going to replace his heart with packing peanuts |
| 17:50.02 | JManV|Work | "you guys really got me this ti-" |
| 17:50.10 | JManV|Work | "oh wait, i'm dying" |
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| 17:50.19 | A1win | humm... do I need to use new sc2layout files for 1.3.0 or do the 1.2 ones still work? |
| 17:50.42 | JManV|Work | a1: it's not that |
| 17:50.51 | JademusSreg | Done via data now. |
| 17:50.58 | A1win | oh? |
| 17:51.00 | JManV|Work | you can't replace the default sc2layouts with your own |
| 17:51.07 | A1win | ah... |
| 17:51.12 | JManV|Work | you need to make supplemental layouts in another place |
| 17:51.19 | JManV|Work | and use teh data editor to add them |
| 17:51.22 | JademusSreg | Game UI in the data editor. |
| 17:52.24 | JManV|Work | but because you don't have the game ui directory/template structure, you need fully qualified names in the "name" field of the frame |
| 17:52.53 | Clord | basically it is not erally supported feature they just happened to code for mappers |
| 17:52.55 | Clord | it breaks or not |
| 17:52.56 | Clord | lol |
| 17:53.00 | A1win | :P |
| 17:53.00 | JManV|Work | also you need a file attribute |
| 17:53.04 | JManV|Work | name="GameUI/UIContainer/ConsoleUIContainer/CommandPanel" file="GameUI" |
| 17:53.06 | JManV|Work | versus |
| 17:53.11 | JManV|Work | name="CommandPanel" |
| 17:53.33 | JManV|Work | latter is what the default layouts look like |
| 17:53.34 | A1win | so err... what do I need to do to hide the console for example? ;s |
| 17:54.01 | JManV|Work | copy the console frame from a layout file |
| 17:54.06 | JManV|Work | just that one frame |
| 17:54.16 | JManV|Work | modify the name so it has a full path |
| 17:54.31 | JManV|Work | and add the 'file="GameUI"' part |
| 17:54.38 | JManV|Work | then modify the frame however |
| 17:54.51 | JManV|Work | prolly just <visible val="false" /> |
| 17:56.16 | A1win | and save it as whatever.SC2Layout and add that to the data editor field? |
| 17:57.37 | JManV|Work | something like this: http://pastebin.com/J8A2PQYg |
| 17:57.40 | JManV|Work | and yes |
| 17:58.25 | A1win | does the imported folder structure matter? |
| 17:58.26 | JManV|Work | GameUI -> Default Game UI -> Custom Layout Files |
| 17:58.34 | JManV|Work | not at all |
| 17:58.52 | tordy | any of you hearing this latest ownage |
| 17:59.00 | tordy | about peter coffin |
| 17:59.33 | tordy | super JManV|Work |
| 17:59.53 | JManV|Work | i just did all that yesterday for my map, so it's fresh in my mind |
| 18:00.14 | tordy | In a future patch we will be disabling the ability to replace UI layout files in this manner completely as it results in undesirable behavior. |
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| 18:01.00 | tordy_ | i didnt work much with layouts, does that mean they're giving us another way to change the interface |
| 18:01.08 | tordy_ | or can we alrady do it the correct way |
| 18:01.53 | A1win | the console didn't hide :[ |
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| 18:03.22 | JManV|Work | hmm |
| 18:03.27 | JManV|Work | you added it in data? |
| 18:03.32 | A1win | mmm |
| 18:03.36 | JManV|Work | and its exactly what i pasted? |
| 18:03.40 | A1win | nope :P |
| 18:03.42 | A1win | trying again |
| 18:03.49 | A1win | still didn't |
| 18:05.02 | JManV|Work | i might have the wrong frame |
| 18:05.10 | JManV|Work | you might have to override this one: <Frame type="Frame" name="ConsoleUIContainer"> |
| 18:05.20 | JManV|Work | same path, just change the name |
| 18:05.29 | JManV|Work | and you can prolly remove the anchor too, it's irrelevant |
| 18:07.04 | A1win | as a separate entry? |
| 18:07.16 | JManV|Work | sure, just to be sure |
| 18:07.45 | A1win | still nothing |
| 18:07.58 | JManV|Work | http://pastebin.com/dDrguRgs |
| 18:08.01 | JManV|Work | did that? |
| 18:08.23 | JManV|Work | oops |
| 18:08.29 | JManV|Work | http://pastebin.com/Ep7kkisC |
| 18:08.31 | JManV|Work | that |
| 18:09.12 | A1win | yeah |
| 18:09.18 | JManV|Work | still nothing? |
| 18:10.03 | A1win | mm :F |
| 18:10.24 | A1win | hmm |
| 18:10.30 | A1win | wonder it caches those or something |
| 18:10.54 | JManV|Work | well, you definitely have to save after import |
| 18:11.01 | A1win | I mean the game |
| 18:11.12 | JManV|Work | also, it's recommended that you remove (Ctrl+R), save, reimport, save |
| 18:11.15 | A1win | restarted but didn't work |
| 18:11.16 | A1win | yeah I did |
| 18:11.29 | JManV|Work | hmmm |
| 18:11.46 | JManV|Work | i might still have the wrong frame. i havent' messed with the console like that before |
| 18:12.03 | JManV|Work | you can also hide the console in triggers, btw |
| 18:12.10 | A1win | mmh |
| 18:12.50 | JManV|Work | layouts are most useful for moving things or for hiding thinks you can't hide in triggers |
| 18:13.01 | JManV|Work | since it's a lot easier to hide something in triggers if the option exists |
| 18:13.05 | A1win | what's it called in triggers? |
| 18:13.14 | A1win | nevermind |
| 18:13.28 | A1win | yay ;p |
| 18:13.30 | A1win | that worked |
| 18:13.45 | JManV|Work | what did? |
| 18:13.51 | A1win | hiding it with triggers ;P |
| 18:14.04 | JManV|Work | oh, ok :P |
| 18:14.09 | XenoX101 | is now playing Ulrich Schnauss - Blumenthal [A Strangely Isolated Place] |
| 18:14.14 | XenoX101 | oh hai gaiz |
| 18:14.14 | JManV|Work | yeah, its real easy in triggers :) |
| 18:14.58 | A1win | but I need to move the game menu and the message log buttons to the bottom left of the screen on top of each other |
| 18:15.47 | A1win | also can I hide the background for the friends button? ;p |
| 18:17.28 | Clord | I wonder how US side THE Card Game is doing |
| 18:17.35 | Clord | I'm still waiting that damn region switcher update |
| 18:18.21 | JManV|Work | both are possible |
| 18:18.32 | JManV|Work | i've never messed with the game menu |
| 18:18.42 | JManV|Work | but i have hid the friend border |
| 18:18.43 | A1win | and I need to move the friends button below the command card... and move the command card up a bit I suppose |
| 18:18.50 | Clord | I improved my maps already in EU side after 1.3.0 release |
| 18:18.53 | A1win | and the clock, somewhere |
| 18:19.34 | JManV|Work | i've also moved the clock before |
| 18:19.46 | JManV|Work | but i'm not gonna lie, it's a lot of guess-and-check work |
| 18:19.52 | A1win | ;x |
| 18:21.26 | A1win | woah I just got the most awesome idea -> a custom portrait over the default portrait so it retains its clickability but can render any unit I want on it ;p |
| 18:21.38 | JManV|Work | i don't have any of that working right now or i'd just give it to you |
| 18:21.45 | A1win | and can just use an empty model for the default portrait so it doesn't cause any extra rendering |
| 18:21.46 | JManV|Work | i'm still in the process of fixing my own layouts |
| 18:28.09 | A1win | what do I need to set the anchor as to move it to some other container than the parent? |
| 18:28.13 | A1win | just the path? |
| 18:29.10 | JManV|Work | i think $parent is always the screen |
| 18:29.20 | JManV|Work | anything else would be explicitly referenced |
| 18:29.29 | A1win | naw |
| 18:29.39 | A1win | the menu bar's parent is the top of the screen |
| 18:29.47 | A1win | I mean the narrow container there |
| 18:29.53 | A1win | err... now the menu disappeared |
| 18:30.09 | JManV|Work | you might need to move the parent |
| 18:32.13 | A1win | do I need to copy all the settings for it or just the ones I want to change? |
| 18:32.34 | depthsofchaos | i like how if you click fast on the fun or not button you can vote multiple times xD |
| 18:32.54 | JManV|Work | i'm not sure about that one |
| 18:33.01 | JManV|Work | i'd presume just the ones you want to change |
| 18:33.29 | JManV|Work | hah! even blizzard suffers from it's own dialog button spam glitch? |
| 18:33.44 | tordy_ | what |
| 18:33.49 | tordy_ | what is this dialog button spam glitch |
| 18:33.53 | JManV|Work | you can spam a dialog button |
| 18:34.02 | JManV|Work | and it will fire the event multiple times |
| 18:34.10 | tordy_ | oh that |
| 18:34.20 | JManV|Work | depending on what that event does, this can have very negative effects if you don't check fo rit |
| 18:34.24 | tordy_ | yea i needed to use a boolean variable to prevent it from processing stuff more than once |
| 18:34.55 | tordy_ | yea for something like incrementing variables, gotta use those checks |
| 18:35.09 | JManV|Work | apparently the voting on fun or not is also susceptible |
| 18:35.14 | tordy_ | xd |
| 18:35.22 | JManV|Work | which is hilarious |
| 18:35.27 | tordy_ | great |
| 18:35.30 | tordy_ | now more abuse! |
| 18:35.40 | tordy_ | keep up the good work blizz |
| 18:35.42 | JManV|Work | yeah, it actually sucks |
| 18:35.48 | JManV|Work | but at the same time is hilarious |
| 18:36.12 | depthsofchaos | i could only vote 3 times so far |
| 18:36.18 | depthsofchaos | gona try some huge amount |
| 18:36.32 | tordy_ | use a macro |
| 18:36.38 | tordy_ | or not |
| 18:36.43 | depthsofchaos | nah my mouse is buged |
| 18:36.45 | tordy_ | hi depthsofchaos |
| 18:36.47 | depthsofchaos | it clicks twice |
| 18:36.50 | depthsofchaos | xD |
| 18:36.54 | depthsofchaos | hi |
| 18:37.21 | tordy_ | cant stop thinkin about sha2 |
| 18:37.28 | tordy_ | someone take it off my mind |
| 18:37.36 | tordy_ | JManV|Work: !!! |
| 18:37.38 | JManV|Work | i tried to :P |
| 18:38.05 | depthsofchaos | did you publish it already ?:o |
| 18:38.05 | tordy_ | you would be able to if you can find a collision easily! |
| 18:38.05 | JManV|Work | here's a fun distraction |
| 18:38.16 | JManV|Work | i'm gonna do this to my boss for april fool's: http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-Fill-an-Office-with-Packing-Peanuts/ |
| 18:38.21 | depthsofchaos | i wouldnt find it easely :p |
| 18:38.30 | depthsofchaos | but im sure it can be found |
| 18:38.34 | tordy_ | because it wouldnt be much different than bruteforcing it |
| 18:38.36 | tordy_ | yea it could |
| 18:38.38 | tordy_ | but it would take years |
| 18:38.39 | tordy_ | decades |
| 18:38.42 | tordy_ | centuries |
| 18:38.44 | depthsofchaos | naah |
| 18:38.47 | tordy_ | it's true |
| 18:38.49 | tordy_ | i did my research |
| 18:39.04 | depthsofchaos | knowing the end result? |
| 18:39.04 | tordy_ | no collision attacks exist for sha2 yet |
| 18:39.16 | tordy_ | so if you plan on trying to find another string |
| 18:39.17 | tordy_ | good luck |
| 18:39.52 | depthsofchaos | if i know whats the output i can go back with inverse functions |
| 18:40.05 | tordy_ | you cant just invert it!!! argh |
| 18:40.20 | depthsofchaos | i cant but it will show where data loss comes in |
| 18:40.26 | tordy_ | what |
| 18:40.38 | depthsofchaos | data loss makes it irreversible |
| 18:40.45 | tordy_ | not sure what you mean by data loss |
| 18:41.15 | A1win | bah, the menu bar just keeps disappearing whenever I change its anchor to something else than $parent |
| 18:41.16 | tordy_ | think about it, sha1 already has its mathematical flaws |
| 18:41.34 | depthsofchaos | i mean by data loss the things that cant be reverted |
| 18:41.35 | tordy_ | and it takes 2^51 opertions to find a collision |
| 18:41.42 | tordy_ | for sha1 |
| 18:41.47 | tordy_ | that's mathematically flawed |
| 18:41.47 | depthsofchaos | and the parts that get lost can be replaced with anything |
| 18:41.49 | A1win | also... it doesn't seem to have separate entries for the menu and the chat log buttons |
| 18:41.59 | tordy_ | think about it |
| 18:42.00 | tordy_ | 2^51 |
| 18:42.03 | tordy_ | how long does that take |
| 18:42.11 | grim001 | excellent, I've written a short script that will take a galaxy script and extract all of the function declarations out of it. |
| 18:42.12 | tordy_ | take an entire processing farm |
| 18:42.20 | tordy_ | and it would take weeks |
| 18:42.32 | depthsofchaos | well ill look at the script |
| 18:42.35 | depthsofchaos | can you link it? |
| 18:42.46 | JManV|Work | well there's no time out or anything |
| 18:42.58 | tordy_ | iunno want an implementation of sha1 in C? |
| 18:43.11 | depthsofchaos | no , sha 2 in galaxy |
| 18:43.14 | JManV|Work | so bruteforce just needs to generate all the combinations and compare the checksum against your checksum |
| 18:43.15 | tordy_ | ok |
| 18:43.27 | JManV|Work | i don't think it'd take as long as you think |
| 18:43.37 | grim001 | it found 330 functions from AI.galaxy, 706 functions from NativeLib.galaxy, and 1483 functions from natives.galaxy. |
| 18:43.39 | JManV|Work | especially since it could probably do about a million+ in a minute |
| 18:43.49 | tordy_ | million+ a minute is nothing |
| 18:43.59 | tordy_ | you can do a trillion a second |
| 18:43.59 | JManV|Work | i understand that |
| 18:44.05 | tordy_ | and it would still take centuries |
| 18:44.14 | depthsofchaos | but we are not guessing |
| 18:44.23 | depthsofchaos | we use the functions properties |
| 18:44.26 | depthsofchaos | to narrow it down |
| 18:44.27 | tordy_ | wht |
| 18:44.56 | depthsofchaos | and if narrowed down well enough any string in that set will be valid |
| 18:45.04 | tordy_ | i know where you';re getting at but the whole purpose of a 1-to-1 function is that it's extremely difficult to just narrow it down |
| 18:45.27 | tordy_ | hello! |
| 18:45.31 | tordy_ | :) |
| 18:45.43 | tordy_ | how do i paste stuff again |
| 18:45.45 | tordy_ | pastebin oh yea |
| 18:46.04 | JManV|Work | omg |
| 18:46.13 | JManV|Work | visual studio has been locked up for like 15 minutes |
| 18:46.21 | JManV|Work | and its actually still processing things |
| 18:46.27 | tordy_ | i hte visual studio |
| 18:46.28 | tordy_ | sooo slow |
| 18:46.39 | depthsofchaos | me too :o |
| 18:46.40 | JManV|Work | it's basically doing a GE thing right now |
| 18:46.47 | tordy_ | poweful and industry standard i know |
| 18:46.51 | tordy_ | but damn thing is slow as fk |
| 18:46.57 | JManV|Work | i deleted a process step and now its cross-referencing *everything* |
| 18:47.20 | JManV|Work | sehr ghey |
| 18:47.30 | *** join/#sc2mapster Shadooow (tekoppar@c-e8a5e455.45-2102-74657210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 18:48.08 | depthsofchaos | http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/md5-hash/ |
| 18:48.11 | depthsofchaos | is this it? |
| 18:48.32 | tordy_ | yea |
| 18:48.53 | tordy_ | did blizz just update agin |
| 18:49.13 | A1win | mff... the mission time panel isn't moving anywhere x.x |
| 18:49.45 | JManV|Work | what's the update? |
| 18:50.01 | tordy_ | iunno |
| 18:50.16 | JManV|Work | it just crashed my editor :( |
| 18:50.21 | tordy_ | \:/ |
| 18:50.31 | JManV|Work | and visual studio is still hung... |
| 18:50.59 | tordy_ | although it really depends |
| 18:51.04 | JManV|Work | i guess it's just too much to ask to see this step's properties |
| 18:51.09 | tordy_ | the one in galaxy might not be perfectly implemented |
| 18:51.29 | tordy_ | i did a couple tests and they worked |
| 18:51.30 | JManV|Work | there are no patch notes |
| 18:51.39 | tordy_ | i should do a couple thousand |
| 18:51.48 | A1win | hmm what's odd |
| 18:51.59 | A1win | I can move the clock up and down but not sideways |
| 18:52.30 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 18:52.32 | JManV|Work | are you sure there's a new update? |
| 18:52.40 | JademusSreg | StarBattle is bookmarked more times than Sotis. |
| 18:53.15 | tordy_ | you can see bookmark numbers? |
| 18:53.19 | tordy_ | where!? |
| 18:53.24 | JManV|Work | hold mouse over |
| 18:53.30 | tordy_ | how many |
| 18:53.37 | tordy_ | cant login on this comp |
| 18:53.38 | tordy_ | too slow |
| 18:53.56 | JManV|Work | omg i'm gonna freak out at visual studio |
| 18:54.06 | JManV|Work | this is ridiculous |
| 18:54.09 | tordy_ | which visual studio is this |
| 18:54.11 | tordy_ | 08 |
| 18:54.13 | tordy_ | 05 |
| 18:54.19 | tordy_ | or the newest one w/e that is |
| 18:54.22 | JManV|Work | 05 |
| 18:54.33 | tordy_ | it took me ages to install 08 |
| 18:54.35 | A1win | err... what exactly do these anchors even mean? |
| 18:54.43 | A1win | what does the "side" refer to? |
| 18:54.48 | tordy_ | and in end there was nothing worth using in 08 over 05 |
| 18:54.58 | tordy_ | cept causing some incompatibility issues |
| 18:54.59 | A1win | and what's the Min/Max pos value |
| 18:55.03 | tordy_ | god i hate new versions sometimes |
| 18:55.20 | JManV|Work | yeah if you have like Sql Server 2008, you need VS 2008 |
| 18:55.30 | JManV|Work | but we have 05 |
| 18:55.32 | tordy_ | laaame |
| 18:55.46 | JManV|Work | and it's still hung |
| 18:56.16 | JManV|Work | i have a rather large SQL Server Integration project, and i removed one of the steps at the beginning and replaced it |
| 18:56.22 | JManV|Work | then i click on the next step |
| 18:56.43 | JManV|Work | and apparently it's computing pi to infinite accuracy as a result |
| 18:56.46 | A1win | woot it moved |
| 18:56.54 | tordy_ | i can get sql server 08 and visual studio 08 for free legit from my university account |
| 18:56.55 | A1win | but why is it still at left even though the anchor says right |
| 18:56.59 | tordy_ | i'll miss being a university student :( |
| 18:57.05 | tordy_ | so much free legit software |
| 18:57.09 | JManV|Work | min/max a1 |
| 18:57.10 | tordy_ | 4 windows 7 pro keys |
| 18:57.17 | JManV|Work | i dunno why there's min/max AND left/right |
| 18:57.20 | JManV|Work | makes no sense |
| 18:57.25 | JManV|Work | but that's the way they did it |
| 18:57.33 | A1win | so what does each refer to? |
| 18:57.53 | JManV|Work | i dunno |
| 18:57.56 | JManV|Work | it makes no sense |
| 18:58.04 | JManV|Work | i usually change them both at the same time |
| 18:58.04 | A1win | :P |
| 18:58.13 | JManV|Work | and there's some guessing and checking involved as well |
| 18:58.15 | A1win | I did and the clock disappeared :E |
| 18:58.28 | JManV|Work | maybe switch negatives and positives? |
| 18:58.35 | JManV|Work | that's another element that doesn't make a lot of sense |
| 18:58.42 | JManV|Work | when to use negative and when positive |
| 18:58.54 | JademusSreg | Haha. Exactly one bookmark on Id. |
| 18:59.15 | A1win | I'm guessing that side refers to either the anchor side or the element side, and min/max refers to the element min/max or the anchor min/max X_x |
| 18:59.19 | A1win | somehow |
| 18:59.43 | A1win | err I moved the friends button frame and now the actual button is off-frame |
| 18:59.58 | JManV|Work | omg visual studio! |
| 19:00.18 | JManV|Work | i can't kill it |
| 19:00.27 | JManV|Work | because i *have* to do these steps |
| 19:00.33 | JManV|Work | and it will do the same thing next time |
| 19:00.59 | A1win | oh now I can see the clock |
| 19:01.05 | A1win | it's conveniently behind my missions panel |
| 19:01.22 | JManV|Work | awesome |
| 19:01.29 | JManV|Work | ...ish |
| 19:01.29 | A1win | oh |
| 19:01.43 | A1win | the friends button changes its position independently of its frame |
| 19:01.53 | A1win | all that matters is whether or not the console is enabled or disabled :P |
| 19:02.14 | JManV|Work | yes |
| 19:02.14 | JademusSreg | Also, good news is that Id doesn't appear to be harmed by the patch at all. |
| 19:02.14 | JademusSreg | Which means I can continue to delay updating the map. |
| 19:02.16 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 19:02.19 | JManV|Work | you just hide the UI with triggers? |
| 19:02.37 | A1win | yeah |
| 19:02.46 | A1win | ok I think side (Left/Right/Bottom/Top) refers to the anchor's side |
| 19:02.55 | A1win | and min/max refer's to the element |
| 19:03.05 | JManV|Work | hmmm...pretty sure spam clicking VS isn't helping anything... |
| 19:03.21 | grim001 | excellent, now I've got a script I can just double-click which will extract all function declarations from all galaxy scripts in the same directory, then spit out 2 text files, one with a readable list of the functions, and one with an AutoIt formatted array list of the functions. |
| 19:03.23 | JManV|Work | oh, yeah, that maxes since |
| 19:03.25 | JManV|Work | sense |
| 19:03.47 | grim001 | so I can keep using this each patch to make sure it's all up to date. |
| 19:03.52 | A1win | oh btw I strangely bumbed into the same debate we had about the modulo not caring about negative values on today's lecture |
| 19:04.00 | JManV|Work | so if you want the max of a frame to be 20 pixels from the right, it'd be right, max, 20 |
| 19:04.05 | A1win | the Haskell programming language has functions for them both :P |
| 19:04.15 | tordy_ | depthsofchaos: did you figure it out yet |
| 19:04.22 | A1win | one for the mathematicians and one for the programmers |
| 19:04.25 | JManV|Work | yeah, its programming language dependant |
| 19:04.53 | depthsofchaos | hehe i looked at it but id have to make an inverse function for everything |
| 19:04.58 | depthsofchaos | i cant setimate |
| 19:05.02 | depthsofchaos | estimate |
| 19:05.12 | JManV|Work | wow. i can't say i've /ever/ seen a program freeze up for this long while it's still actually working |
| 19:05.14 | tordy_ | >:) |
| 19:05.22 | JManV|Work | i think i'm going on a half an hour now |
| 19:05.30 | tordy_ | just end it |
| 19:05.41 | JManV|Work | i can't! |
| 19:05.45 | tordy_ | why!? |
| 19:05.47 | JManV|Work | it'll do the same thing next time |
| 19:05.49 | tordy_ | :[ |
| 19:05.54 | JManV|Work | i *have* to do these steps |
| 19:06.06 | JademusSreg | grim, nice. |
| 19:06.14 | JManV|Work | unfortunately, it orphans a bunch of things momentarily, and VS freaks out as a result |
| 19:06.22 | JManV|Work | but the only alternative is to recreate everything |
| 19:06.26 | JManV|Work | and that ain't happenin' |
| 19:06.34 | JManV|Work | i'll wait. |
| 19:06.40 | JManV|Work | (impatiently) |
| 19:06.57 | A1win | the confusing part about this UI editing is that we can't actually see the parent containers |
| 19:07.01 | A1win | they aren't full screen sized |
| 19:07.23 | JManV|Work | people are making helpers |
| 19:07.36 | JManV|Work | like interactive designers and such |
| 19:07.43 | JManV|Work | but they're a ways out |
| 19:08.05 | JManV|Work | i keep meaning to make a thread were people can post pre-designed layout templates |
| 19:09.38 | A1win | I can't figure out how to get my clock positioned to the bottom right corner instead of bottom left >_> |
| 19:10.07 | JManV|Work | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:10.07 | JManV|Work | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:10.16 | JManV|Work | thats what i use for my friend button |
| 19:11.02 | A1win | err |
| 19:11.09 | A1win | that just moves the clock to the center of the screen |
| 19:11.17 | A1win | even though it moves the friends button to the bottom right :P |
| 19:11.22 | JManV|Work | ah, so the frame it's in isn't big enought |
| 19:11.29 | A1win | I guess... |
| 19:11.31 | A1win | but |
| 19:11.31 | JManV|Work | you need to look at the parent |
| 19:11.34 | JManV|Work | and resize it |
| 19:11.43 | A1win | they are both in the ConsoleUIContainer |
| 19:12.07 | JManV|Work | hmmm |
| 19:13.10 | A1win | mmh the clock has width 200 but dunno if that changes anything |
| 19:13.30 | JManV|Work | what frame are you modifying? |
| 19:13.47 | A1win | GameUI/UIContainer/ConsoleUIContainer/MissionTimePanel |
| 19:14.25 | depthsofchaos | anyone got an idea how should i make the link gun from ut?:o |
| 19:14.34 | depthsofchaos | so its not so easy to aim |
| 19:15.33 | JManV|Work | hmmm. i only moved mine to the bottom left |
| 19:16.04 | A1win | the friends frame and the mission time panel move to completey different locations with the exact same settings |
| 19:16.08 | JManV|Work | those frames should be full screen too |
| 19:16.34 | A1win | ...except that their frame type differs |
| 19:16.58 | A1win | meh I guess I'll move it to bottom left as well |
| 19:17.01 | JManV|Work | oh |
| 19:17.08 | JManV|Work | mission time has a template |
| 19:17.36 | A1win | mmh I didn't include it in my file |
| 19:17.37 | JManV|Work | means there's a whole nother file for its sub elements |
| 19:17.45 | A1win | ah... |
| 19:18.43 | JManV|Work | here's the default: http://pastebin.com/7ASNi9w9 |
| 19:18.50 | JManV|Work | you can include it in the same file |
| 19:19.40 | JManV|Work | ok, i think it's time to kill visual studio |
| 19:19.44 | JManV|Work | this is ridiculous |
| 19:20.20 | JManV|Work | eating 60% of my processor... |
| 19:20.42 | JManV|Work | :( |
| 19:20.54 | JManV|Work | i'm not at all happy about having to do that |
| 19:22.10 | JManV|Work | fortunately i recognized the gravity of the change, and checked everything into to sourcesafe before making the change |
| 19:22.33 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 19:22.58 | JManV|Work | wish i could source control my maps efficiently... |
| 19:23.39 | JManV|Work | also, our new ERP system has a ton of internal objects i wish i could source control |
| 19:23.45 | JManV|Work | <3 source control |
| 19:24.25 | JManV|Work | funny thing about source control... seems like you never need it unless it's not turned on |
| 19:24.34 | JManV|Work | but i'd rather not need it :P |
| 19:25.31 | JManV|Work | omg, here we go again... |
| 19:25.46 | JManV|Work | i might as well just leave it overnight and pray |
| 19:26.01 | JManV|Work | i was right tho, it's doing the same thing |
| 19:26.22 | JManV|Work | this is retarded |
| 19:26.30 | JManV|Work | why can i not replace these things efficiently? |
| 19:26.51 | JManV|Work | this is why i don't do work at work! |
| 19:28.52 | JademusSreg | So the plan is to work at home and goof off at work? |
| 19:28.55 | JademusSreg | I like it. |
| 19:29.13 | JManV|Work | largely i goof off at both placed :P |
| 19:29.21 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 19:29.22 | JManV|Work | i do work at work tho... most of the time |
| 19:29.47 | JManV|Work | but i'm constantly getting tied up in bureaucratic bs or something like this |
| 19:30.10 | JManV|Work | my favorite is when they rush me to finish a project, and when i do, they're not ready for it |
| 19:30.15 | JademusSreg | I jest, and I refer to the lack of restrictions on how one may program in the privacy of one's home, without concern for legality and licenses. |
| 19:30.17 | JManV|Work | you'd be suprised how often that happens |
| 19:31.00 | JManV|Work | or, they rush me to finish a project, but when i need info for it, they make me wait for weeks |
| 19:31.14 | JademusSreg | "We need to to get this done at X!" "Alright, it's done." "Hwaht?! We thought you'd be punctual/late." |
| 19:31.59 | tordy_ | is glass a liquid or solid |
| 19:32.07 | JademusSreg | Solid. |
| 19:32.14 | JManV|Work | well, they always think they're ready, but they never are |
| 19:32.21 | JademusSreg | And it's amorphous. |
| 19:32.21 | JManV|Work | no one ever wants to help test |
| 19:32.35 | JManV|Work | i can't test the things myself, i'm not the one who's going to be using them |
| 19:32.42 | JademusSreg | Not organized like crystal. |
| 19:33.05 | JManV|Work | so projects sit in testing for a month+ while no one does anything |
| 19:33.33 | JManV|Work | and i do my best to manage up, but ultimately their managers and i can't make them |
| 19:33.37 | JManV|Work | they're |
| 19:34.26 | JManV|Work | or the other fun one is when you're scoping a project, and no one has time to tell you what they need it to do |
| 19:35.01 | JManV|Work | "so you just want me to wing it?" |
| 19:36.03 | JManV|Work | ah, the pleasures of a clearly defined scope of work document |
| 19:36.11 | tordy_ | maxing out the ps3. lkjklf |
| 19:36.27 | JManV|Work | "no, i scoped it out to do this and not that - so it can't do that" |
| 19:36.50 | JManV|Work | or "well, you didn't address this when i scoped it out, so it's gonna take more time if you want that" |
| 19:38.20 | JManV|Work | so my options become: 1) goof off at work, or 2) take on 5+ projects so that i'm not always waiting for something |
| 19:38.41 | JManV|Work | and i can't multitask like that |
| 19:38.52 | JManV|Work | 2-3 is my max |
| 19:40.37 | JademusSreg | I misread that as "i can't mutalisk like that". |
| 19:40.59 | JManV|Work | no, i can totally mutalisk like that |
| 19:41.30 | Kueken1 | well, try to brutalisk a little more |
| 19:41.35 | Kueken1 | its way more fun |
| 19:41.53 | JManV|Work | perhaps |
| 19:45.37 | A1win | gah stupid menu buttons <.< they're preventing me from moving my custom GUI to touch the top of the screen :P |
| 19:45.54 | JManV|Work | so i think i really am going to connect these two objects before i leave today, and just let it freeze up for as long as it needs... |
| 19:45.57 | JademusSreg | Move/disable them. =) |
| 19:46.02 | A1win | I'm trying :P |
| 19:46.10 | A1win | but the whole mess with templates is weird |
| 19:46.42 | JManV|Work | don't use templates? |
| 19:46.50 | JManV|Work | just put it all together |
| 19:46.56 | A1win | how x\ |
| 19:47.23 | JManV|Work | i have an example |
| 19:47.24 | A1win | I've tried moving the frames from the template file to my custom file but it didn't change anything |
| 19:47.58 | JManV|Work | http://pastebin.com/bgjYqwCG |
| 19:48.05 | JManV|Work | that's a working command card |
| 19:48.16 | JManV|Work | the stuff at the top is from gameui |
| 19:48.26 | JManV|Work | the subobjects /were/ part of a template |
| 19:48.36 | JManV|Work | in commandpanel.sc2layout |
| 19:48.57 | JManV|Work | i combined them |
| 19:49.29 | JManV|Work | templates basically just define subobjects in another file |
| 19:49.40 | JManV|Work | instead, you can just make them subobjects in the XML |
| 20:01.19 | A1win | woah, I managed to move the menu bar down... by about 20 pixels! |
| 20:01.36 | JManV|Work | woot? |
| 20:01.46 | A1win | I'm trying to move it to the bottom :< |
| 20:01.56 | JManV|Work | well, it's a start? |
| 20:02.01 | A1win | :P |
| 20:02.10 | JManV|Work | i did promise a lot of guess-and-checking, didn't i? |
| 20:02.17 | A1win | but I didn't change its offsets at all, it's still attached to the top |
| 20:02.29 | A1win | of something |
| 20:02.56 | JManV|Work | i'm pretty sure the menu has a template... |
| 20:03.07 | A1win | I copied the values from there |
| 20:04.35 | A1win | wtf, I gave it offset 100 and it jumped over half the way down X_x |
| 20:06.19 | grim001 | my eyeball hurts |
| 20:06.38 | JManV|Work | it's killing me! |
| 20:13.08 | tordy_ | nano vision enabled |
| 20:16.35 | *** join/#sc2mapster Slaydon (50cbea51@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.203.234.81) |
| 20:16.37 | Slaydon | hihi |
| 20:16.46 | JManV|Work | NEVVVEEERRRRR!!!!! |
| 20:16.57 | Slaydon | ~kick your foot off |
| 20:16.57 | purl | ACTION kicks your foot off |
| 20:17.01 | Slaydon | O: |
| 20:17.26 | Slaydon | btw, im having troubles getting the units unique id |
| 20:17.56 | Slaydon | im using UnitGetPropertyInt(u, 9999(24 should work too but ive tried that :P), c_unitPropCurrent); |
| 20:18.21 | grim001 | what will you do with the unique id? |
| 20:18.25 | Slaydon | Soo.. is there a new way of getting it? |
| 20:18.36 | Slaydon | Im making this database thing |
| 20:18.59 | Slaydon | each unit will have values stored in a struct |
| 20:23.10 | Slaydon | anyone? |
| 20:23.37 | JManV|Work | never dabbled... |
| 20:27.10 | depthsofchaos | isnt the unique id stored in a unit type variable?:o |
| 20:27.39 | depthsofchaos | could convert that to int |
| 20:27.45 | JManV|Work | i think he means unique to each individual unit |
| 20:28.03 | JManV|Work | like a handle |
| 20:28.10 | depthsofchaos | ye i mean that |
| 20:28.39 | depthsofchaos | could add it to an int not sure what represents it in galaxy |
| 20:28.41 | JManV|Work | why would it be stored in a unit type variable? |
| 20:28.53 | depthsofchaos | unit* |
| 20:28.54 | depthsofchaos | sry |
| 20:29.00 | depthsofchaos | unit variable type |
| 20:30.35 | Slaydon | o: |
| 20:31.07 | Slaydon | UnitGetPropertyInt(u, 35 and up, c_unitPropCurrent) should be the unique ID |
| 20:31.10 | Slaydon | but it seems fixed |
| 20:32.03 | grim001 | if they got rid of that, you'll have to use an indexing system, which I have created but not released yet. |
| 20:32.20 | grim001 | someone else might have released an inferior one. :P |
| 20:33.14 | Slaydon | o: |
| 20:35.29 | JManV|Work | what use is the ID anyways? can't you just assign it an arbitrary one? |
| 20:35.49 | Slaydon | Im not sure O: |
| 20:36.00 | JManV|Work | you can set a custom property of a unit |
| 20:36.08 | Slaydon | but |
| 20:36.10 | JManV|Work | so you can store it on the unit iteself too |
| 20:36.13 | Slaydon | hm |
| 20:36.21 | Slaydon | i guess i could check if the value isnt one |
| 20:36.21 | JManV|Work | just assign it an array index |
| 20:36.26 | Slaydon | and set it to Int++ |
| 20:36.32 | JManV|Work | yeah, just increment |
| 20:36.39 | Slaydon | that would work O: |
| 20:36.41 | Slaydon | thx |
| 20:36.43 | JManV|Work | np |
| 20:38.52 | A1win | uff now I can't even get the command card to move D: tried just copying the first element of the example you pasted... or does it need all the button values too? ...though they are anchored to parent so I don't see why it would |
| 20:39.24 | JManV|Work | thge first part moves the frame to the bottom center of the screen |
| 20:39.32 | JManV|Work | did you properly terminate all your blocks? |
| 20:39.48 | JManV|Work | invalid xml = ignored, i believe |
| 20:40.21 | A1win | it'd seem so |
| 20:40.38 | Slaydon | rofl, no increment support |
| 20:40.45 | JManV|Work | also, the width and height i've set pertain to a modified command card |
| 20:40.52 | JManV|Work | a normal command card won't fit |
| 20:41.12 | JManV|Work | normal command card = height * 3 and width / 3 |
| 20:41.25 | A1win | mmf now it moved... wonder why it didn't with just modifying the offsets |
| 20:42.57 | tordy_ | depthsofchaos: boop boop |
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| 20:43.47 | depthsofchaos | im not goa try to reverse it :p |
| 20:43.50 | depthsofchaos | would take hours |
| 20:44.47 | JManV|Work | tordy: just go with it |
| 20:45.00 | tordy_ | go iwth what |
| 20:45.07 | JManV|Work | just remember one thing, being arrogant about a security system is the worst thing you can do |
| 20:45.22 | A1win | oh lol |
| 20:45.24 | Slaydon | Jmanv, what is implimit cast? O_o |
| 20:45.33 | JManV|Work | expect someone to crack it, and be pleasantly suprised if no one does |
| 20:45.34 | A1win | the tags are case sensitive :\ |
| 20:45.42 | A1win | had </frame> instead of </Frame> |
| 20:45.50 | Slaydon | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:45.55 | JManV|Work | hah! |
| 20:46.07 | JManV|Work | implicit = not explicit |
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| 20:46.27 | JManV|Work | you've got a value of the wrong type |
| 20:46.41 | SoulTaker_ | how do i make a player deselect everything selected via triggers? |
| 20:46.47 | JManV|Work | is unit custom value a real? |
| 20:46.54 | Slaydon | oh rite |
| 20:46.57 | A1win | SoulTaker_, clear selection I believe |
| 20:47.07 | SoulTaker_ | is that a action command? |
| 20:47.11 | JManV|Work | soul: there's a group of triggers called "Unit Selection" |
| 20:47.11 | Slaydon | i forgot FixedToInt lo |
| 20:47.28 | A1win | SoulTaker_, everything you want to just do something is an action command |
| 20:47.35 | SoulTaker_ | ya but it only selects or deselects specific units |
| 20:47.43 | tordy_ | i'd figure they crack something else before they crack the algorithm |
| 20:47.45 | tordy_ | that's what i expect |
| 20:47.45 | JManV|Work | Clear Unit Selection |
| 20:47.52 | A1win | SoulTaker_, that's the select action, not clear selection |
| 20:48.07 | Slaydon | awesome, this works flawlessly |
| 20:48.21 | A1win | Clear Unit Selection is the name of the action |
| 20:48.30 | Slaydon | Guys, ive made a MUI texture changing system O: |
| 20:48.39 | SoulTaker_ | lol i swear i was lookign all over in actions for a fuction to do it XD |
| 20:48.42 | SoulTaker_ | soo blind... |
| 20:49.24 | JManV|Work | we all do it |
| 20:49.28 | SoulTaker_ | ah clear unit selection |
| 20:49.31 | tordy_ | depthsofchaos you sound you can just inverse it so easily given lots of time |
| 20:49.34 | SoulTaker_ | no wonder why i didnt find it.. |
| 20:49.41 | SoulTaker_ | thanks a bunch |
| 20:49.44 | tordy_ | i mean lets take a simpler function |
| 20:49.52 | tordy_ | p*q used in RSA |
| 20:49.57 | A1win | SoulTaker_, it's usually a good idea to use a generic search term like "select" and then read through the list it shows you |
| 20:49.58 | tordy_ | integer factorization |
| 20:50.22 | SoulTaker_ | i did do a generic search for the term select but i dismissed it because it said unit... |
| 20:50.27 | SoulTaker_ | i thought it did a single unit |
| 20:50.27 | tordy_ | you just do a simple product for the function |
| 20:50.28 | SoulTaker_ | XD |
| 20:50.38 | tordy_ | but when you want to inverse it, you gotta do integer factorization |
| 20:50.56 | A1win | SoulTaker_, read the descriptions too :P |
| 20:51.05 | depthsofchaos | i know that inverse can be slower but we have the output string |
| 20:51.09 | depthsofchaos | changes a lot |
| 20:51.13 | SoulTaker_ | and try to slow down right? |
| 20:51.14 | SoulTaker_ | XD |
| 20:51.25 | SoulTaker_ | im moving a bazillion miles an hour |
| 20:51.25 | SoulTaker_ | XD |
| 20:51.27 | tordy_ | you have the output integer too! |
| 20:51.39 | tordy_ | it's the same idea |
| 20:54.23 | depthsofchaos | well i dont know :o is rsa considered less effective? |
| 20:54.42 | tordy_ | rsa is encryption but w/e it works ok nowadays |
| 20:54.54 | tordy_ | alright lemme just give you an example |
| 20:56.07 | tordy_ | say p = 331 and q = 971 |
| 20:56.31 | tordy_ | the output is p*q = 331*971 = 321401 |
| 20:56.48 | tordy_ | so you have the output which is 321401 and the function |
| 20:56.54 | tordy_ | how do oyu do the inverse and get p and q? |
| 20:57.11 | depthsofchaos | p and q are primes |
| 20:57.14 | tordy_ | yea |
| 20:57.17 | tordy_ | how do you get em |
| 20:57.20 | tordy_ | from 321401 |
| 20:57.42 | depthsofchaos | you can make any number into multiple of primes |
| 20:57.48 | tordy_ | wht |
| 20:58.07 | depthsofchaos | 6=2*3 |
| 20:58.18 | tordy_ | anyway my point is just because you have the output and function doesnt mean you can find the inverse easily |
| 20:58.24 | tordy_ | it can be found yes |
| 20:58.38 | tordy_ | but it's infeasible |
| 20:58.54 | tordy_ | given in practical situations, p and q would be like 30 digits |
| 20:59.00 | tordy_ | i mean |
| 20:59.06 | tordy_ | large |
| 20:59.33 | depthsofchaos | you gota have a lot of primes precalcualted :p |
| 20:59.41 | tordy_ | yea |
| 20:59.46 | tordy_ | but how long are you willing to wait!? :] |
| 21:00.50 | depthsofchaos | hehe well i dont know what sha uses |
| 21:00.55 | depthsofchaos | gona look into it |
| 21:01.04 | tordy_ | the function sha uses is muuuuuuch more complicated than just a product |
| 21:01.18 | tordy_ | i mean you see that a simple product can make the inverse function that complicated |
| 21:01.22 | tordy_ | imagine the inverse function for sha |
| 21:02.41 | tordy_ | actualy it might not be complicated |
| 21:02.44 | tordy_ | but infeasible |
| 21:02.45 | tordy_ | for sure |
| 21:02.45 | depthsofchaos | isnt there a sha databatse ?:p |
| 21:03.02 | tordy_ | like precaluclated list of the hashes? |
| 21:03.05 | depthsofchaos | i hope you chose some simple word xD |
| 21:03.08 | tordy_ | xd |
| 21:03.12 | tordy_ | yea im sure there is |
| 21:03.21 | JManV|Work | why would he chose a simple word? |
| 21:03.22 | tordy_ | but it's like 0.00000000000000000000000000000001% done |
| 21:03.37 | JManV|Work | i'd go with a 32-character random, personally |
| 21:03.42 | tordy_ | yup |
| 21:03.56 | JManV|Work | esp since he never has to type it in |
| 21:04.01 | tordy_ | exactly |
| 21:04.35 | tordy_ | coded my own program to generate random passwords |
| 21:04.39 | tordy_ | that way there's no trace of it ever online |
| 21:04.50 | depthsofchaos | xD lol |
| 21:04.54 | tordy_ | make it a weebit secure |
| 21:04.55 | JManV|Work | seems unneccessary.... |
| 21:05.01 | tordy_ | yea it is but w/e |
| 21:05.06 | tordy_ | im new to this |
| 21:05.10 | tordy_ | felt like doing it for fun |
| 21:06.52 | JManV|Work | whatever does it for ya :P |
| 21:06.55 | tordy_ | :p |
| 21:07.01 | A1win | I still have no idea how to change the menubar's anchor properly :< |
| 21:07.31 | tordy_ | anyway, i'd be surprised if they crack it by legitly finding a collision |
| 21:07.41 | tordy_ | i wont however be as surprised if they crack it through another way |
| 21:07.46 | tordy_ | like reading the value from my bank |
| 21:07.56 | tordy_ | or exploting something in bnet's map system |
| 21:07.59 | tordy_ | iunno |
| 21:08.39 | tordy_ | technically not a collision |
| 21:08.47 | tordy_ | since he's given the hash |
| 21:10.39 | tordy_ | now i need to find a test map |
| 21:11.15 | tordy_ | making a blank map but w/ the admin thing wouldn't give the attacker any incentive to do it besides proving some point |
| 21:11.19 | tordy_ | i want to give attackers an incentive |
| 21:11.21 | tordy_ | like |
| 21:11.25 | tordy_ | ETERNAL LIFE |
| 21:11.30 | tordy_ | jus kiddin |
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| 21:19.12 | depthsofchaos | youll be safe :p |
| 21:19.25 | depthsofchaos | none will crack it without a supercomputer i guess |
| 21:19.45 | tordy_ | but just because they cant crack that part doesst mean they cant crack another part! |
| 21:19.59 | tordy_ | security is only as strong as its weakest link! |
| 21:20.04 | tordy_ | did jmanv say that |
| 21:20.07 | tordy_ | or did i word it wrong |
| 21:21.32 | depthsofchaos | yes best solution is to hack your pc xD |
| 21:21.37 | tordy_ | :( |
| 21:22.05 | depthsofchaos | or send assassins after you thats cheaper than borrowing a supercomputer :p |
| 21:22.56 | tordy_ | they can borrow everyone's computer in the world and combine it into one super uber computer and it would still take many many years |
| 21:23.03 | tordy_ | :] |
| 21:23.05 | tordy_ | {; |
| 21:24.01 | depthsofchaos | i guess these kind of hashes would need some artificial intelligence to solve them fast |
| 21:24.09 | tordy_ | meybe |
| 21:24.54 | tordy_ | although quantum computers might be able to do it |
| 21:25.00 | tordy_ | who knows |
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| 21:50.06 | Clord | quantum computers |
| 21:50.09 | Clord | those theorical monsters |
| 21:50.24 | Clord | companies want milk that technology |
| 21:50.31 | Clord | their problem is that it would be insanely fast XD |
| 21:53.59 | depthsofchaos | that td is pretty fun |
| 21:54.06 | depthsofchaos | where you have to rebuild every round |
| 21:56.53 | A1win | booyeah made my upgrade UI even more intuitive and require less clicks to use o// |
| 21:57.30 | A1win | and take less UI space by hiding a couple of buttons :P |
| 21:57.53 | depthsofchaos | youre increduble, can i have your babies? |
| 22:00.47 | Clord | btw |
| 22:00.54 | Clord | cardcraft SC maker got wise |
| 22:01.01 | Clord | back then about GUI |
| 22:01.01 | Clord | XD |
| 22:01.06 | Clord | for players |
| 22:01.10 | Clord | but it was too late when he realized it |
| 22:01.31 | Clord | people want just play after few seconds the match begin |
| 22:01.40 | Clord | not go the fuss about arranging who you fight against |
| 22:02.46 | depthsofchaos | people = worst of pub |
| 22:03.17 | depthsofchaos | they dont like anything complicated :o |
| 22:07.38 | Clord | well |
| 22:07.52 | Clord | you are asked in first seconds of match |
| 22:07.57 | Clord | to assign match with strangers |
| 22:07.58 | Clord | manually |
| 22:08.07 | Clord | no wonder many finds it hard |
| 22:08.19 | Clord | usually many people want warm up moment for their allies |
| 22:08.26 | Clord | to start cooperate |
| 22:09.11 | depthsofchaos | well thats not team based is it? |
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| 22:09.48 | Clord | hehe not but you must accept challenge |
| 22:09.49 | Clord | XD |
| 22:10.01 | ThunderLord | Taking a general poll, what level graphical setting do you typicly play the game on? |
| 22:10.12 | Clord | ultra |
| 22:10.14 | Clord | lol |
| 22:10.16 | depthsofchaos | medium/low :o |
| 22:10.19 | Clord | with 1920X1200 resolution |
| 22:10.46 | Clord | yeah another thing what probably made cardcraft SC to fall was |
| 22:10.49 | Clord | there was no team aspect |
| 22:10.50 | A1win | 1920*1080, and as small as possible when testing my map while editing :P |
| 22:10.51 | Clord | it was all solo |
| 22:11.01 | A1win | the smallest aspect ratio is about 4:3.2 ;D |
| 22:11.04 | ThunderLord | I ask because i am making an ability that would not work well for a slower computer |
| 22:11.15 | Clord | 1920X1200 rocks... it does not lose in "height" for 4:3 monitors :) |
| 22:11.18 | A1win | it gets a bit bugged with that aspect ratio, smalles supported is probably 4:3 |
| 22:11.40 | depthsofchaos | eu players got less performance :p |
| 22:11.44 | depthsofchaos | i can assure you |
| 22:12.05 | A1win | hehe not all of us ;p |
| 22:12.25 | depthsofchaos | well you probably live in...germany? |
| 22:12.31 | A1win | finland |
| 22:12.41 | depthsofchaos | ye not so poor country :p |
| 22:13.03 | ThunderLord | I used to be low and i would lag still after a 2v2 had gone on to long |
| 22:13.03 | Clord | poor performance? |
| 22:13.07 | Clord | what the lol you are talking about |
| 22:13.15 | A1win | I'm a poor student but I don't use money on much anything else ;D |
| 22:13.17 | ThunderLord | Well |
| 22:13.18 | ThunderLord | ghost |
| 22:13.20 | ThunderLord | that |
| 22:13.23 | ThunderLord | has an ability |
| 22:13.30 | ThunderLord | raises your camera to view the entire map |
| 22:13.35 | depthsofchaos | poor people with bad pcs :p |
| 22:13.37 | ThunderLord | and u use ur mouse to guide a nuke down |
| 22:13.55 | ThunderLord | Seeing the entire map at once killed my old computer |
| 22:14.12 | ThunderLord | but on this one, my fps lower allitle |
| 22:14.14 | A1win | maybe you can set some camera settings to not display everything from that far |
| 22:14.29 | ThunderLord | map is flat |
| 22:14.30 | A1win | since you won't see everything anyway |
| 22:14.33 | A1win | oh |
| 22:14.34 | ThunderLord | but you need to see everything |
| 22:15.04 | ThunderLord | its like in codmod when you get the missle thingy |
| 22:15.16 | A1win | speaking of bad performance, my editor started to freeze up for some reason... maybe I should restart it D: |
| 22:15.42 | Clord | actually.... EU is damn advanced in certain countries compared to USA |
| 22:15.53 | Clord | we get the cool stuff XD |
| 22:16.03 | A1win | ...now it stopped responding when I tried to close previewer |
| 22:16.07 | Deaod | some of the good stuff stays overseas |
| 22:16.18 | depthsofchaos | hmm is there a way to check if a persistent effect exits on a unit?:o |
| 22:16.21 | depthsofchaos | in data |
| 22:17.48 | Clord | oh well and we finns generally are very tolerant to foreigner background people or people who not look natural finns |
| 22:17.48 | Clord | XD |
| 22:18.09 | Clord | in reality sometimes it makes me wonder if our country is leaded by hitlers |
| 22:19.09 | Deaod | well, dont hear much about Finnland |
| 22:19.11 | depthsofchaos | :O |
| 22:19.41 | depthsofchaos | yes finland needs to start nuclear warfare os somethin |
| 22:19.45 | depthsofchaos | not very popular |
| 22:20.11 | A1win | you just don't know all the things that comes from finland :< |
| 22:20.15 | A1win | like IRC :P |
| 22:20.33 | Clord | and satellite technology what even NASA uses etc |
| 22:20.33 | A1win | the greatest invention of mankind |
| 22:20.37 | Clord | comes from Finland XD |
| 22:20.39 | Clord | somewhat |
| 22:20.56 | A1win | yeah we provide the stickers they put on the hulls |
| 22:21.02 | Clord | some strange reason we finns have some high tech shit going on what even nasa likes |
| 22:21.03 | depthsofchaos | isnt lego finnish? |
| 22:21.07 | A1win | nah |
| 22:21.17 | Deaod | isnt Nokia from Finland as well? |
| 22:21.23 | A1win | nokia is |
| 22:21.23 | Clord | yeah |
| 22:21.27 | Clord | but it got sold |
| 22:21.32 | Clord | to microsoft XD |
| 22:21.32 | A1win | think lego is danish? |
| 22:21.39 | Deaod | what? |
| 22:21.47 | Clord | Nokia got recently sold to Microsoft |
| 22:21.48 | Clord | dammit |
| 22:21.53 | Deaod | FUCK |
| 22:21.55 | Clord | and it was so good company in our country |
| 22:22.02 | A1win | Lego (trademarked in capitals as LEGO) is a line of construction toys manufactured by the Lego Group, a privately held company based in Billund, Denmark. |
| 22:22.10 | depthsofchaos | ah ok :p |
| 22:22.18 | Clord | stockholders didn't like |
| 22:22.22 | Clord | so their stocks blundered |
| 22:22.23 | Clord | XD |
| 22:22.25 | depthsofchaos | still lego is where its at |
| 22:22.26 | A1win | On 11 February 2011, Nokia announced a partnership with Microsoft which will mean most future Nokia smart phones will be powered by the Windows Phone 7 operating system. |
| 22:22.42 | Clord | soon our cards will be driven by microsoft pilot |
| 22:22.43 | Clord | lol |
| 22:22.44 | A1win | just a partnership according to wikipedia :P |
| 22:22.46 | Clord | cars |
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| 22:22.56 | Clord | wikipedia is bit wrong |
| 22:23.02 | depthsofchaos | then well really call it blue screen of death xD |
| 22:23.07 | Clord | microsoft is big boss of the deal |
| 22:23.09 | depthsofchaos | 7 people died in blue screen of death |
| 22:23.13 | A1win | :P |
| 22:23.15 | Clord | nokia is underling waiting to be eaten XD |
| 22:23.26 | Clord | or |
| 22:23.29 | Clord | BSOH |
| 22:23.35 | Clord | Blue Screen of Hell |
| 22:23.35 | Clord | XD |
| 22:24.31 | A1win | linux is from finland as well, not that I've used it much |
| 22:24.37 | Clord | 1098 bookmarks in my most popular map |
| 22:24.50 | A1win | I don't have any published yet :P |
| 22:24.56 | A1win | publically that is |
| 22:25.24 | Clord | Linux is weeble attempt to fight back domination of Microsoft |
| 22:25.25 | Clord | lol |
| 22:25.29 | A1win | hehe |
| 22:25.37 | Deaod | successful at it. |
| 22:25.44 | Clord | their own idea behind Linux prevent them to be serious competitor |
| 22:25.51 | Clord | yet |
| 22:25.58 | Clord | but maybe it changes in few decades |
| 22:25.58 | Clord | XD |
| 22:26.13 | depthsofchaos | its all about marketing |
| 22:26.25 | Deaod | most servers run under linux |
| 22:26.38 | Clord | this is just where Linux fighting power goes mostly away...... their idea that it needs to be free |
| 22:26.43 | Clord | free operating system |
| 22:26.46 | Clord | and free operating system |
| 22:26.50 | Clord | means no serious funds |
| 22:26.56 | Clord | and no serious funds means no real fighting power XD |
| 22:27.02 | A1win | ...actually I'm using linux all the time when I use IRC, just over an SSH connection from my windows desktop :P |
| 22:27.16 | Deaod | Novell/Red Hat arent serious enough? |
| 22:27.24 | depthsofchaos | yes, well governments shouldnt be bribed by microsoft :o |
| 22:27.29 | depthsofchaos | they should use linux |
| 22:27.59 | Deaod | Canonical? |
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| 22:28.22 | Mexa | good evenin' |
| 22:28.24 | Clord | you mean "canonical"? |
| 22:28.28 | Clord | where you needs cannons |
| 22:28.28 | Deaod | 'ello |
| 22:28.29 | Clord | lol |
| 22:28.42 | depthsofchaos | hi |
| 22:28.46 | Clord | hi |
| 22:28.49 | Deaod | Canonical is the main company behind Ubuntu Linux |
| 22:29.01 | Clord | ^^ |
| 22:29.07 | Clord | oh you used one n |
| 22:29.09 | Clord | good good |
| 22:29.12 | Clord | I see tons of people making mistake |
| 22:29.20 | Clord | where they write "cannon" when they mean "canon" |
| 22:29.21 | Clord | XD |
| 22:29.24 | Deaod | oh cmon |
| 22:29.38 | Clord | =) |
| 22:29.44 | depthsofchaos | and they also write bookmarket |
| 22:29.48 | depthsofchaos | :P |
| 22:29.49 | Deaod | im a little OC about spelling as well |
| 22:29.58 | Deaod | :) |
| 22:30.11 | Clord | cannonical sense this story is conflicting! |
| 22:30.12 | Clord | XD |
| 22:30.16 | Clord | you get the idea |
| 22:30.17 | Clord | lol |
| 22:30.38 | Deaod | that ... didnt make any sense at all |
| 22:32.03 | Clord | http://www.beedictionary.com/common-errors/canon_vs_cannon |
| 22:32.16 | Clord | it was kinda like made up quote |
| 22:32.21 | Clord | "cannonical sense this story is conflicting!" |
| 22:32.38 | Clord | because people keep making that damn mistake all over the internet XD |
| 22:32.55 | A1win | heh I've never seen anyone make that mistake :P wonder how common it can be |
| 22:33.23 | Clord | well |
| 22:33.29 | Clord | it is just matter of what forum you visit |
| 22:34.30 | Clord | let's install this new ghostbusters game |
| 22:34.30 | Clord | XD |
| 22:34.49 | Clord | atari used misleading advertising for PC version claiming it has online coop mode |
| 22:34.59 | Clord | steam got rolled by refund requests |
| 22:35.02 | Clord | after people bought it |
| 22:36.02 | Clord | store page told that it has local co-op up to four players |
| 22:36.05 | Clord | and online co-op too |
| 22:36.12 | Clord | but that latter was false advertisement XD |
| 22:36.24 | Clord | so people thought they could play with others what are in otherside of world |
| 22:36.43 | Clord | and how many PC gamers play split screen with four others |
| 22:36.44 | Clord | lol |
| 22:36.58 | Clord | and has three controllers |
| 22:38.16 | A1win | or three friends |
| 22:38.18 | A1win | :P |
| 22:39.11 | A1win | pff ants are invading my kitchen |
| 22:39.38 | JManV | ninja dem bitches |
| 22:39.51 | Mexa | I tend to play splitscreen games sometimes with some friends in the couch. |
| 22:40.00 | Deaod | yeah, on a console |
| 22:40.12 | Mexa | Well, in this case actually on the PC |
| 22:40.21 | Deaod | interesting |
| 22:40.29 | Mexa | As we have a ps2 controller adapter to usb :) |
| 22:40.39 | Deaod | since there are only very few PC games that support splitscreen |
| 22:40.40 | JManV | i have a PC connected to my TV and never play games on it at all |
| 22:40.50 | A1win | I rather play boardgames when meeting people ;p |
| 22:41.00 | JManV | i'd rather play sex games :P |
| 22:41.03 | A1win | or tabletop games rather, like MtG and stuff |
| 22:41.08 | Mexa | Oh you're right about that Deaod, it might not have been splitscreen games |
| 22:41.19 | Mexa | But rather games you control 3 characters in, for instance. |
| 22:41.28 | Deaod | hmmm |
| 22:41.31 | Mexa | lol, I could only think of one |
| 22:41.40 | Deaod | local coop is about as rare |
| 22:41.41 | Mexa | So I guess that makes it an exception |
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| 22:41.53 | Mexa | It is. |
| 22:42.08 | Deaod | magicka is the only recent game i can remember that has local coop |
| 22:42.11 | Mexa | But if the game is fun, the experience gets twice as enjoyable than playing single player. |
| 22:42.37 | Mexa | Yeah... and Trine. |
| 22:43.04 | Deaod | well, i didnt know about Trine |
| 22:43.14 | Mexa | :) |
| 22:43.15 | A1win | ah trine, another thing from finland :P |
| 22:43.26 | Mexa | Magicka is from sweden though. |
| 22:43.47 | A1win | mm we were talking about finland a moment ago |
| 22:43.54 | JademusSreg | Both Trine and Magicka are quality. |
| 22:43.54 | Mexa | Ah |
| 22:43.56 | A1win | ...before you joined <.< |
| 22:44.05 | Mexa | Right |
| 22:44.18 | Mexa | Jademus, did you see the new trine 2 gameplay teaser? |
| 22:44.30 | Mexa | Trine 1 is nothing compared to it. |
| 22:44.30 | JademusSreg | Magicka perhaps less so, given its hilarious release bugs. |
| 22:44.38 | JademusSreg | I have.' |
| 22:44.47 | JademusSreg | Tantalizing fluid physics. |
| 22:45.03 | Mexa | Yup, and pretty amazing environment |
| 22:45.04 | Hati | JademusSreg: ? |
| 22:45.18 | Hati | Deaod: Ghost Busters |
| 22:45.20 | Mexa | *environments |
| 22:45.40 | Hati | but i can't garantue for any fun factor in the game :o |
| 22:46.31 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 22:46.41 | Deaod | Magicka had its low price going for it. |
| 22:48.13 | Mexa | Oh well, I should get some sleep |
| 22:48.22 | Mexa | I am presenting a game tomorrow :) |
| 22:48.45 | Mexa | Some school work stuff, but seeya people. |
| 22:51.31 | Mexa | ... also, lol... they managed to delay Duke Nukem Forever for another month. |
| 22:52.00 | Deaod | lol. |
| 22:52.11 | Deaod | the King is not quite ready yet. |
| 22:52.37 | Mexa | not even after 12 years. |
| 22:52.53 | Deaod | its a shame though, no more DNF running gags. |
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| 23:20.27 | Clord | haha |
| 23:20.32 | Clord | another month? |
| 23:20.34 | Clord | seriously? |
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| 23:21.43 | Clord | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6fFKkmIrWM |
| 23:21.45 | Clord | errm |
| 23:21.50 | Clord | their special message video stil lconfirms |
| 23:21.52 | Clord | confirms |
| 23:21.54 | JademusSreg | I'd be bummed too if I were interested in the game. |
| 23:21.55 | Clord | may 3 and may 6 |
| 23:21.56 | Clord | XD |
| 23:22.02 | CryptRat | :( |
| 23:22.09 | Clord | where is that month delay |
| 23:22.10 | Clord | lol |
| 23:22.10 | CryptRat | I'm having weapon problems. |
| 23:23.01 | CryptRat | Don't laugh at me! D: |
| 23:23.34 | Clord | oh shit |
| 23:23.35 | Clord | it is true |
| 23:23.39 | Clord | it got delayed eh XD |
| 23:24.19 | Clord | I guess I don't feel like buying that game anymore |
| 23:25.05 | Clord | it is kinda almost confirmed that june is joke |
| 23:25.06 | Clord | XD |
| 23:25.09 | Clord | better read forums lol |
| 23:25.20 | Clord | they did want play early april fools joke |
| 23:25.22 | Clord | in advance |
| 23:25.27 | Clord | to have more impact |
| 23:25.41 | Clord | duke nukem forever marketing stunt |
| 23:25.49 | Clord | to lie that they delayed.. as part of april fool stuff |
| 23:29.12 | CryptRat | My air units are moving into melee range even when the weapon has range of 2. :/ |
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| 23:29.54 | Clord | haha |
| 23:30.01 | Clord | that duke nukem forever prank is funny |
| 23:30.20 | Clord | video is also full of hints that i t is joke |
| 23:30.28 | Clord | also many has realized it in forum |
| 23:31.20 | Clord | now if wikipedia editors get it |
| 23:31.27 | Clord | and not jump the gun and change to date like they believe it |
| 23:31.30 | Clord | and them change it back XD |
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| 23:31.50 | MrOp | hi |
| 23:35.48 | Mexa|Sleep | I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't a joke anyhow. |
| 23:37.08 | depthsofchaos | blizz disabled changing of default objects :o |
| 23:40.18 | Vexal | . |
| 23:40.34 | JademusSreg | Hahaha |
| 23:41.21 | JademusSreg | Do you mean the Core objects, depths? |
| 23:42.04 | depthsofchaos | no, the blizz stuff too |
| 23:42.29 | depthsofchaos | cant change their abilities or units :o |
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| 23:43.13 | JademusSreg | I find that difficult to believe. |
| 23:43.51 | depthsofchaos | hmm restarted the editor now it works :o |
| 23:43.56 | depthsofchaos | bug then |
| 23:44.12 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 23:44.48 | depthsofchaos | hmm or its limited to some abilities only |
| 23:44.52 | depthsofchaos | like templar feedback |
| 23:45.06 | A1win | name for my mech map, now! :< |
| 23:45.19 | depthsofchaos | mechanima |
| 23:45.52 | A1win | eww |
| 23:46.42 | JademusSreg | Wha? |
| 23:48.21 | A1win | durr |
| 23:48.25 | Deaod | whats it based on? |
| 23:48.37 | A1win | the map? |
| 23:48.40 | Deaod | yes |
| 23:48.45 | A1win | SC2 |
| 23:48.51 | Deaod | wow. |
| 23:48.52 | A1win | lore-wise :P |
| 23:49.05 | A1win | or at least somewhat |
| 23:49.07 | JManV | are they called mechs? |
| 23:49.13 | A1win | dunno :P |
| 23:49.30 | Deaod | i shouldve asked what type of game youre going for |
| 23:49.35 | A1win | hehe |
| 23:49.50 | A1win | it's an RPG where gameplay consists of short missions |
| 23:49.53 | JManV | you could come up with some acronym to call the robots themselves |
| 23:49.57 | A1win | and you upgrade the mech between them |
| 23:50.16 | A1win | co-op |
| 23:50.26 | Deaod | first person? |
| 23:50.31 | A1win | normal SC2 gameplay controls |
| 23:50.55 | Deaod | hmmm |
| 23:50.58 | A1win | cause they're the most elegant ;p |
| 23:51.07 | depthsofchaos | great my editor crashes when i open terrain view -.- |
| 23:51.25 | A1win | but obviously I'll try to come up with as many interesting abilities as I can |
| 23:52.47 | A1win | there's no "leveling up", or at least not in the traditional way, just gathering better gear and then some way to control the difficulty of missions |
| 23:53.01 | A1win | probably some kind of a faction-raputation thingy if I can't come up with anything more interesting |
| 23:53.58 | Deaod | hide the reputation from the user, if you can. |
| 23:54.08 | A1win | yeah thought so |
| 23:55.20 | A1win | so that you'll only notice the effects (like becoming able to choose higher difficulty missions and getting better stuff from shops, or something) |
| 23:55.49 | A1win | though since it's multiplayer, can't put very powerful stuff in the shops or people could just trade them to others :P |
| 23:56.33 | Deaod | well, you can disable trading between players. |
| 23:57.09 | A1win | mmh maybe... or restrict it some way |
| 23:58.48 | A1win | but don't want to limit the players too much either since it'll be co-op |
| 23:59.30 | Deaod | well, you can bind certain items to certain players |
| 23:59.38 | Deaod | eg. whoever picked it up first |
| 23:59.53 | A1win | yeah I've played wow ;P |
