IRC log for #sc2mapster on 20110318

`00:00.31`	`A1win`	`bleh buffs should have vital regeneration set in addition to the bonus fields`
`00:01.25`	`A1win`	`now I need to make default regeneration -33.33 and the buff give 66.66, and the other buff give 33.33 to make the first one set it to 33.33 and the other one to 0`
`00:02.20`	`JManV`	`you can use an effect to set the shields to 0`
`00:02.40`	`JManV`	`modify unit i believe`
`00:02.58`	`A1win`	`those also have only bonus fields, not actual set fields`
`00:03.22`	`A1win`	`and I only want to modify regeneration anyway`
`00:03.41`	`A1win`	`ah well, at least this works`
`00:03.57`	`JManV`	`ok coo`
`00:04.00`	`A1win`	`though I'll need some sounds`
`00:04.23`	`A1win`	`the shield, life and energy bars on the unit are ugly :P`
`00:04.48`	`A1win`	`...which are hidden by default anyway`
`00:10.49`	`A1win`	`where are ability sounds defined?`
`00:12.22`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Nash\|327 (~nn@81-234-225-23-no35.tbcn.telia.com)`
`00:12.50`	`Nash\|327`	`I couldn't sleep so I designed a cabinet you can take apart into 2 chairs :G`
`00:13.20`	`Deathtorn`	`Does anyone know where the actual sc2 editor files are held for the campaign?`
`00:14.12`	`JManV`	`sounds are actors too`
`00:16.17`	`A1win`	`oh right`
`00:17.55`	`JManV`	`so if a mod is public, anyone can use it, right?`
`00:18.28`	`Nash\|327`	`Not people without computers`
`00:18.39`	`JManV`	`heh`
`00:18.55`	`JManV`	`well i was thinking, what if we made a community mod that anyone could inherit`
`00:19.07`	`JManV`	`and include a whole bunch of general purpose functions`
`00:19.19`	`JManV`	`like some basic dialogs, catalog functions, race functions`
`00:19.32`	`JManV`	`WASD controls even`
`00:19.40`	`JManV`	`debug functions`
`00:19.46`	`Nash\|327`	`I don't plan to die any time soon, but you go for it`
`00:19.49`	`JademusSreg`	`Actors and sound data. I am skeptical, but then you are unusual. Campaign mod mpqs.`
`00:20.20`	`JManV`	`huh?`
`00:21.04`	`A1win`	`cool these two defensive abilities should help creating a bit different gameplay from the usual SC2 stuff even with the SC2 base gameplay`
`00:21.05`	`Nash\|327`	`I am not about to make anything for people to inherit, as I plan to live a while longer D_D`
`00:21.16`	`JManV`	`ah`
`00:21.40`	`JManV`	`they say that if you have to explain it, it isn't funny :)`
`00:22.00`	`JademusSreg`	`Kurzweil is just as doomed as the rest of us. =D`
`00:22.07`	`Nash\|327`	`I prefer "if you have to explain it, you are talking to stupid people".`
`00:22.09`	`Nash\|327`	`;G`
`00:22.23`	`JManV`	`that definitely doesn't always apply :P`
`00:22.43`	`A1win`	`what if it's a stupid person doing the explaining`
`00:23.13`	`Nash\|327`	`Then you are fucked.`
`00:23.16`	`Bibendus`	`sixen the news!`
`00:23.16`	`Bibendus`	`is no longer away : Gone for 2 hours 14 minutes 25 seconds`
`00:23.19`	`JManV`	`well then you get what we have here, which is a failure to commummuncate`
`00:23.37`	`Nash\|327`	`commumumumumumumumumumincate`
`00:23.42`	`JManV`	`hehe`
`00:23.52`	`JManV`	`anyone know the reference?`
`00:23.53`	`A1win`	`hmmhm what next`
`00:24.30`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Bounty (442d304d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.45.48.77)`
`00:24.36`	`Nash\|327`	`Nope, it might come to me though.`
`00:24.55`	`JManV`	`guns n roses - civil war`
`00:25.35`	`A1win`	`maybe I should just test these abilities around against a bunch of enemies`
`00:25.39`	`JManV`	`i guess my quote was a little off`
`00:25.39`	`JManV`	`oh well`
`00:25.52`	`Nash\|327`	`Cool Hand Luke, apparently`
`00:26.18`	`Nash\|327`	`But it's been used in many other places.`
`00:26.22`	`Tobin1`	`A1win did you try using attributes at all?`
`00:26.24`	`JManV`	`ah`
`00:26.33`	`JManV`	`i figured it was from something else`
`00:26.38`	`JManV`	`but i never knew what`
`00:26.41`	`A1win`	`Tobin1, for what?`
`00:26.57`	`Nash\|327`	`I think I've heard it in Waterworld.`
`00:27.21`	`JManV`	`anyways, always thought the way she says communicate was funny`
`00:27.28`	`Tobin1`	`Ahh i spoke to soon, let me make sure i know what im saying here.`
`00:28.30`	`JademusSreg`	`Pulp Fiction`
`00:28.58`	`Nash\|327`	`KITTUNS!`
`00:29.34`	`A1win`	`hmm these abilities are cool`
`00:29.37`	`Nash\|327`	`So, when will someone make a map with ARMORED KITTUNS?`
`00:29.39`	`A1win`	`just need to tweak stats a bit`
`00:30.01`	`Nash\|327`	`You have the Predator already, now make it happen!`
`00:30.29`	`Nash\|327`	`ARMORED KITTUNS FIGHTING THE EVIL HUMAN OPPRESSORS`
`00:30.37`	`*** join/#sc2mapster MaxMode (~Adium@ip184-187-175-87.sb.sd.cox.net)`
`00:30.42`	`Nash\|327`	`Coop plz kthx`
`00:31.15`	`A1win`	`the shield can be used when engaging in combat, and the drones when the combat is over`
`00:32.24`	`Motive`	`Curse you scrollbar`
`00:32.26`	`Motive`	`Curse you`
`00:32.39`	`JManV`	`i wouldn't mind seeing some non-conventional storylines`
`00:32.45`	`Motive`	`I try to scroll on Chrome by putting my mouse over it but leaving mIRC in focus`
`00:32.49`	`Motive`	`I'm too used to OS X :(`
`00:32.50`	`JManV`	`so tired of marine v zerg`
`00:33.29`	`Motive`	`non-conventional: MARAUDER w/ MARINE ON HIS SHOULDERS vs HYDRAROACH?`
`00:33.41`	`Pushover`	`hydraroach wins ez`
`00:33.43`	`Motive`	`(hydraroach: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=153275)`
`00:33.45`	`Motive`	`lololol`
`00:33.50`	`JManV`	`you're just not getting it... :)`
`00:33.53`	`Pushover`	`baller is amazing`
`00:34.44`	`JManV`	`not enough zerg protagonist`
`00:34.48`	`A1win`	`D: these abilities are shweeet`
`00:34.53`	`Motive`	`OK OK`
`00:34.54`	`Motive`	`how about`
`00:34.54`	`JManV`	`or armored kitten protagonist`
`00:34.57`	`Motive`	`the uberlisk becomes sentient`
`00:35.01`	`JManV`	`lazer cats!`
`00:35.02`	`Motive`	`and leads a revolt of zerg against kerrigan?`
`00:35.07`	`A1win`	`even without any offensive abilities, combat is already quite interesting`
`00:35.09`	`JademusSreg`	`My Terran Strategy: Goliath + Science Vessel`
`00:35.12`	`Motive`	`WITH SPINE CRAWLERS ON EVERYTHING`
`00:35.17`	`JManV`	`it's still a zerg antagonist...`
`00:35.35`	`Motive`	`fine`
`00:35.41`	`Motive`	`zerg are poor innocent creatures that the humans hunt`
`00:35.44`	`Motive`	`and now they're fighting back`
`00:35.55`	`Motive`	`by infesting them all and turning them into more spine crawlers to put on their backs`
`00:35.56`	`Motive`	`do I win now?`
`00:36.01`	`JManV`	`there you go!`
`00:36.13`	`Motive`	`:D`
`00:36.14`	`A1win`	`I need some kind of a storyline or background story for this map ;o`
`00:36.22`	`Motive`	`innocent zerg babies are dropped off by the stork`
`00:36.23`	`*** join/#sc2mapster slightlyrandom (~random@130.226.169.201)`
`00:36.24`	`Motive`	`humans kill them`
`00:36.26`	`Motive`	`then they grow up and fight back`
`00:36.27`	`Motive`	`PERFECT`
`00:36.37`	`A1win`	`thinking that the players are mercenaries... like in armored core iirc :P`
`00:36.43`	`JManV`	`zerg uprising!`
`00:36.48`	`Motive`	`fuck uprising`
`00:36.49`	`JademusSreg`	`Just CnP Battlefield: Earth.`
`00:36.50`	`Motive`	`zerg DOWNRISING`
`00:36.51`	`Motive`	`INVADING THE PLANET`
`00:37.19`	`JManV`	`it would be fun if the point of the game was to infest everything`
`00:37.26`	`JManV`	`like left 2 die only backwards :P`
`00:37.27`	`Motive`	`everything can be infested`
`00:37.28`	`Motive`	`even the infested`
`00:37.44`	`A1win`	`someone should make a zerg breeding game`
`00:38.08`	`A1win`	`lay eggs everywhere`
`00:38.35`	`JManV`	`and then those pesky humans kill them! the zerganity!`
`00:38.43`	`Motive`	`ok guys heres my map`
`00:38.47`	`A1win`	`like the beginning of district 9 :P`
`00:38.48`	`Motive`	`its designed 2 b politically controversial`
`00:38.51`	`Motive`	`mexico - zerg`
`00:38.52`	`Motive`	`us - protoss`
`00:38.56`	`Motive`	`canada - terran`
`00:38.59`	`Motive`	`ww3!!1`
`00:39.27`	`Motive`	`also mexico max population is tripled, but only t1 units`
`00:39.35`	`JManV`	`hahahahahahahaha`
`00:39.54`	`JManV`	`does america get the t2 and 3 terran units?`
`00:39.59`	`JManV`	`as dishwashers?`
`00:40.06`	`Motive`	`america gets terran and protoss units`
`00:40.07`	`JManV`	`and working at home depot`
`00:40.13`	`Motive`	`and specializes in high numbers of T3`
`00:40.18`	`Motive`	`which the mexicans cannot counter`
`00:40.27`	`Motive`	`the mexicans only hope is to kill america with sheer numbers before america can kill them.`
`00:40.28`	`Motive`	`ie. base swap`
`00:40.39`	`A1win`	`mmh should make the shield regeneration period even faster`
`00:40.50`	`JManV`	`yeah, so... ban`
`00:41.01`	`JManV`	`:)`
`00:41.07`	`Motive`	`we will rename units like`
`00:41.12`	`Motive`	`void ray: F-22`
`00:41.18`	`Motive`	`Carrier: flying air craft carrier of death`
`00:41.34`	`Motive`	`zergling: poor mexican`
`00:41.40`	`Motive`	`roach: mexican on crack cocaine`
`00:41.59`	`JManV`	`wow`
`00:42.13`	`Motive`	`colossus: president george w. bush`
`00:42.18`	`Motive`	`yes there can b more than 1`
`00:42.19`	`JManV`	`hydralisk = mexican with doctorate working at home depot?`
`00:42.24`	`Motive`	`hydralisk is t2`
`00:42.25`	`Motive`	`no t2 for mexicans`
`00:42.38`	`JManV`	`they go to america :P`
`00:42.44`	`Motive`	`baneling: mexican trying to be an arab wtf`
`00:42.53`	`JManV`	`oooooo`
`00:43.13`	`JManV`	`that's not nice ;)`
`00:43.15`	`Motive`	`now, canada will start with nothing but command centers and SCVs`
`00:43.19`	`JManV`	`and i know you were going for nice there`
`00:43.20`	`Motive`	`canada has no offensive units`
`00:43.24`	`JManV`	`hahahahaha`
`00:43.35`	`Motive`	`canada must win by mining every resources in the americas using mules and mass scv and command center production`
`00:43.42`	`Motive`	`before america can kill them once they're done with mexico`
`00:43.43`	`JManV`	`and they're easily distracted by hockey, beer, or donuts`
`00:43.48`	`Motive`	`yes`
`00:44.05`	`JManV`	`or curling`
`00:44.06`	`Motive`	`to prevent an american rush`
`00:44.10`	`JManV`	`ew... curling`
`00:44.17`	`Motive`	`canada is cold and kills everything that moves more than 5 units per minute`
`00:44.38`	`Motive`	`however that also applies to the canadians...`
`00:44.47`	`A1win`	`mmf I think I should lock camera to follow the mech`
`00:44.59`	`Motive`	`or maybe not`
`00:45.02`	`Motive`	`and the new englanders will be immune, too`
`00:45.06`	`JManV`	`marine with no weapons = mounty`
`00:45.09`	`Motive`	`special breed of american`
`00:45.25`	`Motive`	`no mounty is science vessel with ground collision`
`00:45.35`	`JManV`	`heh`
`00:46.06`	`Motive`	`maybe add`
`00:46.13`	`Motive`	`the great undiscovered threat secret nation of china`
`00:46.18`	`Motive`	`nothing but mass high templar`
`00:47.08`	`Bounty`	`oh hell yeah`
`00:47.16`	`Bounty`	`i made a grenade launcher lol`
`00:48.23`	`JManV`	`aw. i can't resize a dialog for just one player?`
`00:48.25`	`Motive`	`this earbuds are so good T_T`
`00:48.26`	`Motive`	`the sound`
`00:48.27`	`Motive`	`is so`
`00:48.28`	`Motive`	`improved`
`00:48.28`	`Motive`	`my god`
`00:48.29`	`JManV`	`bullocks!`
`00:48.55`	`A1win`	`eww locking the camera feels like I can't see anything`
`00:49.04`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Vexal (81740a3b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.129.116.10.59)`
`00:49.13`	`A1win`	`might need to inrease its distance or something if I lock it`
`00:49.19`	`JManV`	`yeah, a locked camera doesn't allow for much with the GUI on`
`00:49.25`	`JManV`	`and the default camera`
`00:49.58`	`Motive`	`so`
`00:50.01`	`Vexal`	`did i fail the capchta again`
`00:50.03`	`A1win`	`oh well I guess I don't need to lock it...`
`00:50.03`	`Motive`	`sc2mapster has awesome anti-flood controls`
`00:50.04`	`Motive`	`damnit`
`00:50.14`	`A1win`	`can just limit camera bounds to the mission`
`00:53.13`	`Motive`	`lololol`
`00:53.16`	`Motive`	`jademus`
`00:53.16`	`Bibendus`	`is now away - Reason : Auto-Away after 30 minutes`
`00:53.22`	`Motive`	`Look at any post made by me`
`00:53.38`	`Motive`	`or if you're lazy here's one`
`00:53.39`	`Motive`	`http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/galaxy-scripting-and-trigger-lib/19706-is-there-a-way-to-disable-a-unit-from-auto-engaging/#p6`
`00:57.23`	`JManV`	`really motive?`
`00:57.27`	`JManV`	`way to contribute`
`00:57.31`	`Motive`	`thanks`
`00:57.43`	`JManV`	`also the dancing signature. wonderful`
`00:57.52`	`Motive`	`:D`
`00:58.00`	`Motive`	`give me back my dancing avatar and I will remove it`
`00:58.01`	`Motive`	`until then`
`00:58.07`	`Motive`	`my signature shall be in every post I make`
`00:58.16`	`JManV`	`gornador's gonna get you :P`
`00:58.21`	`Motive`	`bring it on :)`
`00:58.53`	`Bounty`	`FUUUCK`
`00:58.54`	`Bounty`	`i love`
`00:58.56`	`Bounty`	`Data Editor`
`00:58.58`	`Bounty`	`today`
`00:59.02`	`Bounty`	`its being my bitch`
`00:59.05`	`Bounty`	`and doing everything i want it to`
`00:59.06`	`Bounty`	`><`
`00:59.13`	`JManV`	`luck you`
`00:59.16`	`Motive`	`I was tempted to try and get around the actual avatar ban but`
`00:59.21`	`Motive`	`I figure that'd get me banned or something for real`
`00:59.22`	`Motive`	`Lol`
`00:59.24`	`Bounty`	`dude`
`00:59.32`	`Bounty`	`people are going to fuckign LOVE the new Seeker for Doodad hunt 2`
`00:59.33`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`00:59.48`	`Bounty`	`Jumping, Grenade Launchers and Flamethrowers`
`01:01.12`	`Motive`	`map night tomorrow :D`
`01:01.28`	`JManV`	`indeed`
`01:01.40`	`Bounty`	`u guys gonna play Speed-Craft now that its released? :)`
`01:01.43`	`Pushover`	`lol we are kinda trying to get the star strikers to page 2 of customs`
`01:01.51`	`Pushover`	`speedcraft was the racing game?`
`01:01.53`	`Motive`	`Lol`
`01:02.00`	`Motive`	`I have an idea to get you to page 2`
`01:02.01`	`Motive`	`:P`
`01:02.04`	`JManV`	`yeah we can give it a shot`
`01:02.05`	`Bounty`	`yes Pushover`
`01:02.09`	`Bounty`	`but its released/finished now`
`01:02.09`	`JManV`	`i can't host map night next week tho :(`
`01:02.14`	`Motive`	`Stop being such a Pushover. ;D`
`01:02.17`	`Motive`	`oh man that was way too tempting`
`01:02.18`	`Motive`	`sorry`
`01:02.19`	`Motive`	`LOL`
`01:03.12`	`Pushover`	`bounty does it still stop when the guy comes in first?`
`01:03.19`	`Pushover`	`imo it should keep going so you can rank`
`01:03.27`	`Pushover`	`or at least determine who gets 2nd 3rd 4th`
`01:03.30`	`Pushover`	`etc`
`01:03.33`	`Bounty`	`it finishes when someone comes in first/second and third`
`01:05.05`	`Motive`	`damnit I'm bored`
`01:05.09`	`Motive`	`I want to play some fun customs`
`01:06.51`	`JManV`	`got anything in mind?`
`01:07.07`	`Pushover`	`theres still like 15ish people in the strikers channel`
`01:07.09`	`Pushover`	`lol`
`01:07.09`	`Motive`	`not really`
`01:07.10`	`Motive`	`Lol`
`01:07.19`	`Motive`	`I want to play fun but unheard of maps`
`01:07.21`	`Motive`	`damnit I want map night now`
`01:08.10`	`JManV`	`i wanna play prisoner rebellion :P`
`01:08.27`	`JManV`	`we need better cat n mouse games`
`01:08.57`	`Motive`	`kodo tag made me lawl`
`01:08.58`	`JManV`	`if only someone here were working on one... ;P`
`01:09.08`	`JManV`	`that one was decent`
`01:09.09`	`Motive`	`NOW WITH REAL KODOS`
`01:11.08`	`*** join/#sc2mapster MrOp (MrOp@76.76.73.7)`
`01:11.28`	`*** join/#sc2mapster CryptRat (440a127b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.10.18.123)`
`01:11.37`	`CryptRat`	`Is there a way to change/remove the number of times a player can pause a game?`
`01:11.38`	`JManV`	`we're actually running out of maps we haven't tried`
`01:11.42`	`JManV`	`as far as the submitted maps go`
`01:11.51`	`JManV`	`there's a few new submissions`
`01:12.14`	`JManV`	`and a few games that sound like total crap, but we should try anyways`
`01:12.24`	`MrOp`	`sup J`
`01:12.37`	`JManV`	`sup`
`01:12.43`	`MrOp`	`you doing map night tonight`
`01:12.44`	`MrOp`	`oO`
`01:12.51`	`JManV`	`tomorrow night`
`01:12.54`	`MrOp`	`oh`
`01:17.02`	`JManV`	`so i wonder how many triggers will freak out if i don't spawn the player's hero right away... :P`
`01:17.10`	`JManV`	`i'm pretty sure the random encounter one will`
`01:17.36`	`JManV`	`wonder what else... :P`
`01:31.04`	`*** join/#sc2mapster grim001 (~chatzilla@c-69-246-170-145.hsd1.fl.comcast.net)`
`01:45.04`	`Vexal`	`.`
`01:45.18`	`JManV`	`quiet here`
`01:45.46`	`Vexal`	`..............`
`01:46.48`	`grim001`	`.`
`01:46.55`	`JManV`	`...`
`01:47.22`	`JManV`	`everyone has so much to say :P`
`01:47.30`	`Bounty`	`what units can colossus walk over?`
`01:47.32`	`Bounty`	`if any`
`01:47.42`	`MrOp`	`all`
`01:48.03`	`Bounty`	`ok well that sucks`
`01:48.05`	`Bounty`	`how about`
`01:48.17`	`JManV`	`give it a ground collision?`
`01:48.18`	`Bounty`	`is there anyway for units to be treated as cliffs, like say i use the colossus cliff walker mover`
`01:48.22`	`montagg`	`But not other collasai, right?`
`01:48.28`	`Bounty`	`and i want the unit to jump over them`
`01:48.59`	`JManV`	`not as easy as you'd like, i think`
`01:49.11`	`Bounty`	`it never is :)`
`01:49.16`	`JManV`	`i'm sure it could be done with a complicated set of data`
`01:49.36`	`Bounty`	`or`
`01:49.41`	`JManV`	`check the moving direction for units, perform a jump ability`
`01:49.42`	`Bounty`	`instead of "complicated"`
`01:49.53`	`Bounty`	`give the unit no collision flags and give them a footprint that is pathed as a cliff`
`01:49.56`	`Bounty`	`yes?`
`01:50.03`	`JManV`	`can't path as cliff`
`01:50.06`	`Bounty`	`yes u can`
`01:50.13`	`Bounty`	`u can path a footprint as a cliff`
`01:50.38`	`JManV`	`oh hey`
`01:50.45`	`JManV`	`never used that :P`
`01:50.52`	`JManV`	`used every other one`
`01:51.00`	`Bounty`	`You can path as... Unpathable, Ground and Cliff`
`01:51.07`	`Bounty`	`which is wierd bc there is no fly`
`01:51.07`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`01:51.32`	`JManV`	`fly doesn't use pathing like that`
`01:51.35`	`A1win`	`mmh I wonder how crowd control would fit into this`
`01:51.49`	`JManV`	`crowd control?`
`01:52.04`	`A1win`	`wow term :P disabling some units for a while`
`01:52.04`	`JManV`	`like riot supression missions?`
`01:52.11`	`A1win`	`nah`
`01:52.27`	`JManV`	`oh`
`01:52.27`	`A1win`	`like polymorphin someone to a sheep for 30 sec ;p`
`01:52.28`	`Bounty`	`annnd`
`01:52.29`	`Bounty`	`it works`
`01:52.36`	`Bounty`	`=P`
`01:52.37`	`Bounty`	`mwahaha`
`01:52.38`	`JManV`	`EMP`
`01:52.40`	`Bounty`	`im tellin ya JMan`
`01:52.42`	`A1win`	`(no sheep for this though)`
`01:52.43`	`Bounty`	`im on a roll today`
`01:52.44`	`Bounty`	`all data`
`01:53.03`	`JManV`	`EMP would shut a mech down`
`01:53.05`	`A1win`	`zeratul's bubble gun was fun`
`01:53.09`	`JManV`	`or do you mean enemies?`
`01:53.15`	`A1win`	`yeah enemies`
`01:53.25`	`JManV`	`well, you could do weapons by type`
`01:53.27`	`MrOp`	`doesn anyone need a shoot gun with force effect`
`01:53.31`	`A1win`	`so you can beat a larger group of them by disabling some`
`01:53.32`	`JManV`	`like EMP against mechanical units`
`01:53.32`	`MrOp`	`shot*`
`01:53.48`	`JManV`	`not sure what would stun the other unit types`
`01:54.09`	`JManV`	`ground shake might stun biologicals`
`01:54.14`	`A1win`	`some force field type thing`
`01:54.20`	`JManV`	`that as well`
`01:54.38`	`A1win`	`but don't want to make them identical in their uses either if I make multiple ones`
`01:54.48`	`A1win`	`even if they look different :P`
`01:54.57`	`JManV`	`well, shut down vs stun is different`
`01:55.18`	`JManV`	`but force field could be used against non-mechs`
`01:55.24`	`JManV`	`mechs could be collosal`
`01:55.25`	`A1win`	`actually those aren't what crowd control refers to`
`01:55.44`	`A1win`	`it's more like spells that are applied on enemies to disable them so that they can't be attacked without breaking the crowd control`
`01:56.09`	`JManV`	`huh`
`01:56.15`	`A1win`	`like you turn someone to a sheep`
`01:56.21`	`A1win`	`but if you attack him, the sheep breaks`
`01:56.35`	`A1win`	`so all it does is disables that unit while you fight others`
`01:56.44`	`A1win`	`but you can't abuse it to disable them while you fight them`
`01:56.59`	`A1win`	`stun is a stun, not CC`
`01:57.01`	`JManV`	`that's harder to fit in, thematically`
`01:57.14`	`A1win`	`mm.. but a force field thing could work`
`01:57.35`	`Pushover`	`tauren chieftain in dota`
`01:57.36`	`Pushover`	`lol`
`01:57.46`	`A1win`	`surrounds the unit in a bubble so that it can't attack, but if you attack the unit, the bubble breaks`
`01:58.00`	`Pushover`	`thats an ability in dota already`
`01:58.12`	`A1win`	`how surprising :P`
`01:58.24`	`A1win`	`and wow is full of those`
`01:59.01`	`A1win`	`but it can add some strategic depth to combat`
`02:00.00`	`A1win`	`(if you can't always use the ability)`
`02:00.21`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Dogmai (~chatzilla@58-7-214-217.dyn.iinet.net.au)`
`02:00.25`	`A1win`	`oh right`
`02:00.34`	`A1win`	`didn't polymorph exist in WC2 already?`
`02:00.55`	`JManV`	`yes`
`02:00.56`	`A1win`	`though it didn't break to damage there?`
`02:01.05`	`JManV`	`think it was perm`
`02:01.25`	`A1win`	`hmm`
`02:01.39`	`JManV`	`it was a mage spell`
`02:01.40`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Ashamed (43adf1dc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.173.241.220)`
`02:01.41`	`Pushover`	`yeah`
`02:01.47`	`Ashamed`	`how do i put range on an effect/behaivor?`
`02:02.10`	`CryptRat`	`?`
`02:02.23`	`CryptRat`	`You want a behavior to affect multiple units around the one carrying it?`
`02:02.31`	`A1win`	`hmm another CC-like ability could be that green time pyramid thing they had in the secret mission`
`02:02.37`	`A1win`	`slows time on the units inside it =p`
`02:02.51`	`JManV`	`ah yes`
`02:03.04`	`JManV`	`chrono rift device`
`02:03.07`	`A1win`	`mm`
`02:03.22`	`A1win`	`oh and vortex`
`02:03.30`	`Ashamed`	`i will check it out`
`02:03.54`	`JManV`	`yes, vortex indeed`
`02:04.04`	`A1win`	`a mini vortex :P`
`02:04.11`	`Pushover`	`stasis field`
`02:04.19`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Resinate (~IceChat7@c-67-183-161-101.hsd1.wa.comcast.net)`
`02:04.24`	`JManV`	`ashamed? no one answered your question`
`02:04.24`	`Resinate`	`guys`
`02:04.29`	`Resinate`	`i need some serious help`
`02:04.35`	`JManV`	`because we didn't understand it`
`02:04.41`	`Resinate`	`my map cant save cuz of a stupid error i dunno how to fix`
`02:05.04`	`Resinate`	`it cant save cuz of "else if (AIGetUserInt(player, c_numGroundStartLocs) > 0) {"`
`02:05.27`	`Pushover`	`probably something to do with not having a start location`
`02:05.32`	`Pushover`	`for all the players`
`02:05.42`	`Resinate`	`theres 4 of them on the map`
`02:05.49`	`Resinate`	`the map worked 6months ago 100%`
`02:05.52`	`Resinate`	`now its broken`
`02:06.36`	`MrOp`	`does anyone know how to change the size the nuke target placement`
`02:06.43`	`A1win`	`but yeah all those CC abilities will be addons for the mech, so you have to sacrifice something else if you take them`
`02:07.54`	`A1win`	`mmh is there any way to make ability buttons move dynamically on the command card if there's another one already in that slot?`
`02:08.40`	`Resinate`	`fixed it`
`02:08.48`	`Resinate`	`that sucks i had to remove my custom AI lol`
`02:08.51`	`A1win`	`oterwise I'd probably need to make a duplicate of each ability for each addon slot >_>`
`02:09.11`	`JManV`	`points at his nose.`
`02:09.26`	`JManV`	`dynamic CC = nope`
`02:09.27`	`MrOp`	`does anyone know how to change the size the nuke target placement`
`02:09.28`	`JManV`	`:(`
`02:09.43`	`MrOp`	`the big red thing`
`02:09.45`	`JManV`	`you could scale the actor`
`02:09.55`	`MrOp`	`thats not working`
`02:10.17`	`A1win`	`if it's a model, scale the model?`
`02:11.22`	`A1win`	`hmm`
`02:11.25`	`MrOp`	`yea that is not working`
`02:12.02`	`MrOp`	`b4 you use the nuke`
`02:12.10`	`MrOp`	`there is a ring`
`02:12.14`	`MrOp`	`and you set it placement`
`02:12.25`	`A1win`	`or I could just duplicate the entries in the command card and give each of those a different requirement, which checks if the unit has that addon in that slot... ugh but then I'd need billions of requirements`
`02:14.47`	`A1win`	`can't find anything that would allow moving a button in the command card :F`
`02:17.55`	`JManV`	`you can /try/ setting it in catalogs`
`02:18.03`	`JManV`	`but i'm not sure you can`
`02:18.09`	`JManV`	`and its not easy`
`02:18.11`	`A1win`	`also the max number of buttons on command card is 32`
`02:19.41`	`JManV`	`you can also draw a dialog over the command card :P`
`02:19.52`	`Resinate`	`guys`
`02:20.01`	`Resinate`	`does Player - Player Any Player leaves the game with Any event work when ppl quit game now?`
`02:21.18`	`A1win`	`found this: http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/triggers/14016-adding-abilities-with-triggers-relative-to-command/`
`02:21.37`	`A1win`	`so basically dummy abilities for each slot and then modify them with catalog set`
`02:22.17`	`A1win`	`but I'll have to see how many abilities I'm even going to have`
`02:22.25`	`Dogmai`	`~seen helral`
`02:22.30`	`purl`	`helral <~BenZegvel@217-19-26-88.dsl.cambrium.nl> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 9d 8h 14m 29s ago, saying: 'what is slightly?'.`
`02:22.30`	`Dogmai`	`~seen helral\|work`
`02:22.30`	`purl`	`helral\|work <~BenZegvel@217-19-29-249.dsl.cambrium.nl> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 6d 12h 14m 15s ago, saying: '[15:08] <Clord> actually that is over 7 minutes wrong <-- 8 actually'.`
`02:22.44`	`Dogmai`	`ffs`
`02:22.55`	`JManV`	`that makes sense`
`02:22.55`	`Dogmai`	`~seen onetow`
`02:22.56`	`purl`	`i haven't seen 'onetow', Dogmai`
`02:23.05`	`Dogmai`	`of course not stupid bot`
`02:23.07`	`Dogmai`	`~seen onetwo`
`02:23.08`	`purl`	`onetwo <ae070b69@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.7.11.105> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 2d 12m 41s ago, saying: 'today'.`
`02:23.50`	`A1win`	`except that`
`02:23.56`	`A1win`	`mmh`
`02:24.04`	`A1win`	`can catalog set stuff only for one player?`
`02:24.15`	`A1win`	`yeah, phew`
`02:24.23`	`A1win`	`would've needed separate units and crap otherwise`
`02:25.55`	`A1win`	`ah well it'll only be difficult once, when making the function that sets a button to an ability with some parameters`
`02:26.36`	`A1win`	`sleep time, night`
`02:27.40`	`Resinate`	`WOOOT!!!`
`02:27.48`	`Resinate`	`i finally removed a timer spammer in my map`
`02:29.01`	`Bounty`	`time to finally release a Doodad Hunt 2 video =P`
`02:30.46`	`Bounty`	`http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/project-workplace/19727-video-doodad-hunt-2-meet-the-seeker-2-0/#p1`
`02:31.13`	`*** join/#sc2mapster tordy (6274591f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.116.89.31)`
`02:31.14`	`tordy`	`wassup guys this yo bioy pete`
`02:31.23`	`tordy`	`can you chagne the location of siteops`
`02:31.31`	`tordy`	`w/ an ability or something`
`02:34.29`	`JManV`	`i like the jump sound`
`02:34.42`	`Bounty`	`there will be lots of sounds in the game`
`02:34.46`	`Bounty`	`i have about 15 or 20 in`
`02:34.51`	`Bounty`	`for a bunch of occasions :)`
`02:37.17`	`tordy`	`can you change the local offset of a site op`
`02:37.57`	`*** join/#sc2mapster ekcolnovkol (ekcolnovko@pool-98-116-29-115.nycmny.east.verizon.net)`
`02:39.31`	`Bounty`	`I am really surprised how easy it was to make that grenade launch JMan`
`02:39.38`	`JademusSreg`	`Hi.`
`02:39.41`	`Bounty`	`it goes to where you click, and i made it so if u click beyond 20 distance it wont work`
`02:39.44`	`Bounty`	`hey Jade`
`02:39.47`	`Bounty`	`new video out =P`
`02:40.01`	`Bounty`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywHOT-ONq2g`
`02:41.05`	`tordy`	`ARGGHH`
`02:41.07`	`tordy`	`HULKS MASH`
`02:44.54`	`JademusSreg`	`That jumping is hilarious.`
`02:45.00`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`02:45.10`	`Bounty`	`thats my goal`
`02:45.18`	`Bounty`	`make everything as hilaious as possible`
`02:45.26`	`Bounty`	`Doodads will be able to talk/taunt u`
`02:45.27`	`Bounty`	`=P`
`02:45.31`	`ekcolnovkol`	`?`
`02:45.34`	`montagg`	`Niice.`
`02:45.40`	`ekcolnovkol`	`tordy`
`02:45.45`	`ekcolnovkol`	`your t is not capitalized`
`02:45.46`	`ekcolnovkol`	`:u`
`02:45.51`	`tordy`	`wssup`
`02:46.00`	`montagg`	`I've always wanted to play a map with abrasive underbrush.`
`02:47.55`	`Resinate`	`WOW`
`02:47.57`	`Resinate`	`i hate blizzard`
`02:48.01`	`Resinate`	`they really broke my map`
`02:48.08`	`JademusSreg`	`???`
`02:48.16`	`Resinate`	`my units i customed`
`02:48.20`	`Resinate`	`like half of them broke`
`02:48.21`	`Resinate`	`LOL`
`02:48.31`	`Bounty`	`what broke them?`
`02:48.31`	`JademusSreg`	`Field arrays, wakka wakka`
`02:49.46`	`Tobin1`	`lol bounty, breaking copyright laws one sc2 map at a time.`
`02:49.55`	`Bounty`	`?`
`02:50.02`	`JademusSreg`	`Hahaha`
`02:50.08`	`Bounty`	`lol Doodad Hunt was on page one for awhile and used that music`
`02:50.08`	`JademusSreg`	`So true!`
`02:50.11`	`Bounty`	`never had any problems`
`02:50.15`	`JademusSreg`	`Though not as bad as Mephs.`
`02:50.38`	`JademusSreg`	`Which reminds me, I need to report someone who has nothing to do with anything I just said.`
`02:50.52`	`Bounty`	`the only diff copyright wise between Doodad Hunt 1 and 2 will be im using some TF2 sounds this time`
`02:51.12`	`Bounty`	`same music though`
`02:51.38`	`Tobin1`	`TBH you had to have that extreme g track in your racing map though.`
`02:51.41`	`Tobin1`	`fit too well.`
`02:51.49`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`02:51.57`	`Bounty`	`Speed-Craft? the map is alrdy doomed`
`02:52.00`	`Bounty`	`><`
`02:52.05`	`Tobin1`	`abandoned?`
`02:52.11`	`Bounty`	`until ppl play it yeah`
`02:52.22`	`Tobin1`	`Lol, i just did that with my td`
`02:52.23`	`Bounty`	`its finished though`
`02:52.30`	`Bounty`	`like.. it works 100%`
`02:52.36`	`Bounty`	`or 99.99%`
`02:52.45`	`Bounty`	`but if nobody is gonna play it then im not updating it`
`02:52.58`	`Tobin1`	`You fixed all that spawning facing the wrong way jazz?`
`02:53.03`	`Bounty`	`yep`
`02:53.11`	`Bounty`	`ALOT changed sicne u last played`
`02:53.11`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`02:53.13`	`Bounty`	`watch the video`
`02:53.22`	`Bounty`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oy1QMuvs0UY`
`02:54.41`	`Tobin1`	`jademus snuck into the vid`
`02:54.47`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`02:55.02`	`JademusSreg`	`I'm sneaky.`
`02:55.06`	`MrOp`	`did you add the soundtrack`
`02:55.09`	`MrOp`	`bounty`
`02:55.13`	`Bounty`	`what soundtrack?`
`02:55.16`	`Bounty`	`to what?`
`02:55.17`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`02:55.19`	`MrOp`	`from your vid`
`02:55.23`	`Bounty`	`which one`
`02:55.23`	`MrOp`	`it works`
`02:55.27`	`MrOp`	`if you have the memory`
`02:55.31`	`MrOp`	`MK1 soundtrack`
`02:55.39`	`Bounty`	`what do u mean did i add it`
`02:55.48`	`Bounty`	`to the video? no its in the game`
`02:55.56`	`Tobin1`	`looks good`
`02:55.57`	`MrOp`	`oh`
`02:55.58`	`Bounty`	`i never dub soundtracks over my videos, what you hear is what you will get`
`02:56.02`	`Bounty`	`=P`
`02:56.05`	`MrOp`	`nice`
`02:56.16`	`MrOp`	`ho wmuch memory do you have or soundtracks`
`02:56.19`	`Bounty`	`Except the new Doodad Hunt 2 video`
`02:56.19`	`MrOp`	`or is that the only one`
`02:56.21`	`Bounty`	`i DID dub that`
`02:56.26`	`Bounty`	`but thats only bc everyone knows what song will be in that map`
`02:56.27`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`02:56.28`	`MrOp`	`i hope so`
`02:56.45`	`Bounty`	`i usually compress songs to about 1.5 or 2 mb's`
`02:56.58`	`MrOp`	`well if you have the memory it might be nice to have a soundtrack list`
`02:57.04`	`Bounty`	`128kbs`
`02:57.05`	`MrOp`	`we can choose from`
`02:57.19`	`Bounty`	`the game is at 2-3 hours played`
`02:57.28`	`Bounty`	`i doubt anyone even plays it long enough to hear one song`
`02:57.29`	`MrOp`	`its up`
`02:57.45`	`MrOp`	`i will play a game iwth you if you want to join me`
`02:57.58`	`Bounty`	`i dont like bumping my own maps lol`
`02:58.04`	`Bounty`	`ruins the fun`
`02:58.10`	`MrOp`	`right`
`02:58.23`	`MrOp`	`so have it sit there an no one plays it GOOD CALL`
`02:58.25`	`Bounty`	`ill tell u this`
`02:58.29`	`Tobin1`	`did you add a boost button?`
`02:58.35`	`Bounty`	`If Doodad Hunt 2 gets anything less then page 1 i'll be shocked`
`02:58.41`	`Bounty`	`no Tobin`
`02:58.44`	`Bounty`	`watch the video!`
`02:58.47`	`Bounty`	`ull see whats in it`
`02:58.47`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`02:58.50`	`MrOp`	`oh yea dude you need a nitro button`
`02:58.52`	`Tobin1`	`I did... i thought i saw you boost.`
`02:58.55`	`Bounty`	`yeah`
`02:58.57`	`Bounty`	`boost strips`
`02:58.59`	`Bounty`	`=P`
`02:59.04`	`Bounty`	`drive over them for boost`
`02:59.07`	`Tobin1`	`I know, i helped you test haha`
`02:59.09`	`MrOp`	`i dont play race car game with out nitro`
`02:59.14`	`JademusSreg`	`Done doing whatever I happened to be doing.`
`03:00.11`	`JademusSreg`	`Psitrous Oxide.`
`03:01.01`	`Bounty`	`Hey Jade`
`03:01.03`	`MrOp`	`does anyone know how to add that effect onto a unit`
`03:01.09`	`JademusSreg`	`?`
`03:01.14`	`MrOp`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:01.15`	`Bounty`	`You know that catch phrase from Caddy Shake? with Chevy Chase`
`03:01.19`	`Bounty`	`the Nanananananna`
`03:01.24`	`MrOp`	`where you get trace effect`
`03:01.28`	`Bounty`	`ull be able to do that when ur running as a doodad =P`
`03:01.30`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`03:01.38`	`JademusSreg`	`Awesome.`
`03:01.51`	`Bounty`	`iknoright`
`03:02.03`	`JademusSreg`	`Mister Op, look at how it is done in the data.`
`03:02.15`	`MrOp`	`i am not sure what to look at`
`03:02.18`	`MrOp`	`i looked b4`
`03:02.27`	`MrOp`	`the only thing i saw was the speed thing`
`03:02.36`	`MrOp`	`i wasnt sure what i was looking at`
`03:03.05`	`MrOp`	`so if you could point me at a field that was be great`
`03:03.06`	`JademusSreg`	`Actors.`
`03:03.10`	`MrOp`	`oO`
`03:04.05`	`Ashamed`	`good night i got some nice effects created`
`03:04.55`	`MrOp`	`jade not really sure what i am looking at here`
`03:05.13`	`JademusSreg`	`It's where the magic is made.`
`03:05.22`	`MrOp`	`(_ _)`
`03:06.34`	`MrOp`	`the only thing in there that i see is an exploison with lighting effect making it faster`
`03:06.45`	`MrOp`	`not adding tracer behind the unit`
`03:06.51`	`MrOp`	`er images`
`03:08.30`	`JademusSreg`	`In principal, it's pretty easy to imagine how it would work.`
`03:09.00`	`JademusSreg`	`You periodically create an actor with a timer on it that fades out.`
`03:09.17`	`MrOp`	`for you its easy sure`
`03:09.34`	`MrOp`	`i dont even see a field that comes close to doing that`
`03:16.41`	`Bounty`	`wow um wtf? lol`
`03:16.49`	`Bounty`	`my doodad hunt 2 video thread got deleted on TL`
`03:17.09`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Dynast (~Dynast@66.185.76.196)`
`03:17.13`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha, they hate doodads, I guess.`
`03:17.46`	`Bounty`	`thats pretty fucked up...`
`03:17.50`	`Bounty`	`wtf was wrong with it?`
`03:17.56`	`Bounty`	`ppl were posting and i was replying`
`03:18.23`	`JademusSreg`	`I don't go to TL; what is the general attitude there?`
`03:18.52`	`Pushover`	`uhh TL is pretty mature`
`03:19.03`	`Pushover`	`let me see`
`03:19.05`	`Bounty`	`then why the hell was my thread i JUST posted deleted? lol`
`03:19.06`	`Pushover`	`the closed thread`
`03:19.23`	`Pushover`	`oh`
`03:19.24`	`Pushover`	`yeah`
`03:19.29`	`Bounty`	`http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=202279`
`03:19.32`	`Pushover`	`youtube video+1 line=closed thread`
`03:19.37`	`Pushover`	`no effort in OP`
`03:19.52`	`Bounty`	`wtf?`
`03:20.07`	`Bounty`	`but 2 minutes later i posted alot more lines`
`03:20.28`	`Pushover`	`yeah but people wont read that as much as the OP`
`03:20.35`	`Pushover`	`plus people that got SC2 later`
`03:20.39`	`Pushover`	`have no clue wtf is going on`
`03:20.42`	`Bounty`	`so i guess i should repost it?`
`03:20.47`	`Bounty`	`with more text content`
`03:20.48`	`Pushover`	`with a larger OP`
`03:20.50`	`Pushover`	`yeah`
`03:20.53`	`Pushover`	`explain what doodad hunt is`
`03:20.55`	`Pushover`	`after`
`03:21.02`	`Pushover`	`or perhaps PM emryan`
`03:21.06`	`Pushover`	`to reopen+edit`
`03:21.21`	`Pushover`	`*Empyrean`
`03:32.17`	`Bounty`	`http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=202292`
`03:32.17`	`Bounty`	`there`
`03:32.22`	`Bounty`	`that should be better right Pushover? lol`
`03:42.46`	`Pushover`	`http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=202294`
`03:42.49`	`Pushover`	`impending doom`
`03:42.51`	`Pushover`	`lol`
`03:43.00`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`03:43.17`	`Pushover`	`In about 1 minute you're gonna learn that tl admins are OP`
`03:43.46`	`JManV`	`day9 just went over this replay`
`03:43.57`	`Pushover`	`oh`
`03:44.03`	`Pushover`	`did not watch day9`
`03:45.15`	`Pushover`	`i also suspect there may be warnings handed out in droves for backseat modding`
`03:45.20`	`Pushover`	`but dunno about that`
`03:46.33`	`JManV`	`backseat modding?`
`03:47.08`	`Pushover`	`IE saying that some dude deserves a ban when it isnt ur job to decide that`
`03:47.23`	`Pushover`	`and basically acting like a mod/telling a mod what to do`
`03:49.25`	`JManV`	`oic`
`03:49.45`	`JManV`	`too much politics for me`
`03:50.14`	`JManV`	`tl.net is always drama`
`03:50.25`	`Pushover`	`bleh it works pretty well`
`03:50.33`	`Pushover`	`someone acts really stupid`
`03:50.44`	`Pushover`	`gets to think about how stupid they were for 2 days to a week`
`03:50.48`	`Pushover`	`sometimes forever`
`03:51.16`	`JManV`	`never posted b4`
`03:51.17`	`Pushover`	`at that point you only have rather intelligent people`
`03:51.26`	`JManV`	`prolly will when my game gets closer`
`03:51.29`	`Pushover`	`who use effort`
`03:52.01`	`Pushover`	`and then occasionally idra throws out an amazingly funny 1 liner and gets banned for like a week`
`03:52.10`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha.`
`03:52.18`	`JademusSreg`	`That's earning it.`
`03:52.20`	`Bounty`	`hmm`
`03:52.27`	`Bounty`	`if you give a unit a footprint`
`03:52.31`	`Bounty`	`and he dies`
`03:52.36`	`Bounty`	`does the footprint stay?`
`03:53.03`	`JademusSreg`	`Do structure footprints stay? Yes, if you set them to the death footprint.`
`03:53.10`	`JademusSreg`	`Otherwise, no.`
`03:53.21`	`Bounty`	`ok so if the footprint doesnt say structure then its fine`
`03:53.28`	`*** join/#sc2mapster airtonix (~T_T@unaffiliated/airtonix)`
`03:53.29`	`JademusSreg`	`=\`
`03:53.31`	`JademusSreg`	`No.`
`03:53.56`	`JademusSreg`	`Units have two footprints.`
`03:54.07`	`JademusSreg`	`The one while they are alive, and the one when they are dead.`
`03:54.22`	`JademusSreg`	`Both are optional, of course.`
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`03:55.22`	`Motive`	`Ah, finally`
`03:55.23`	`JademusSreg`	`Using a death footprint is tricky, though, since you'll have no reference to it.`
`03:55.30`	`Motive`	`I officially love the state of Maryland`
`03:55.34`	`JademusSreg`	`?`
`03:55.42`	`Motive`	`I had no money for a toll so I got a ticket in the mail.`
`03:55.46`	`Motive`	`And it was only for the amount of the toll`
`03:55.49`	`Motive`	`no bullshit $25 fine.`
`03:55.50`	`Motive`	`:)`
`03:55.53`	`RipperRoo`	`hi people`
`03:55.57`	`tordy`	`HULS MASH`
`03:56.07`	`JademusSreg`	`Hi.`
`03:57.05`	`MrOp`	`hi`
`03:59.50`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha`
`04:00.10`	`JademusSreg`	`Rodrigo's name on TL is Rodrigo(scdebates).`
`04:00.12`	`JademusSreg`	`You know.`
`04:00.19`	`JademusSreg`	`Just in case you didn't know.`
`04:00.37`	`Motive`	`LOL`
`04:00.38`	`Motive`	`xD`
`04:00.59`	`guis_i_made_cort`	`sup guys`
`04:01.00`	`guis_i_made_cort`	`oh`
`04:01.03`	`guis_i_made_cort`	`it truncated`
`04:01.06`	`guis_i_made_cort`	`those bastards`
`04:01.11`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha`
`04:01.42`	`JademusSreg`	`Motive(CortexWhateveR)`
`04:01.56`	`Motive`	`parenthesis are restricted`
`04:02.08`	`JademusSreg`	`Ah`
`04:02.35`	`JademusSreg`	`JademusSreg_Identificationary_a_modest_picture_drawing_game`
`04:02.57`	`Motive\|not_modes`	`FUCKING`
`04:02.58`	`Motive\|not_modes`	`TRUNCATE`
`04:02.59`	`Motive\|not_modes`	`(`
`04:03.00`	`Motive\|not_modes`	`:(`
`04:04.08`	`JademusSreg`	`not_modesta_california`
`04:04.17`	`Motive`	`Lol`
`04:04.25`	`MrOp`	`>= (does that mean greater then)`
`04:04.39`	`JademusSreg`	`Greater Or Equal To`
`04:04.48`	`MrOp`	`k`
`04:04.50`	`MrOp`	`ty`
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`04:09.13`	`Mexa`	`woah... nbÃ©ver realised this chat was so popular.`
`04:09.15`	`*** join/#sc2mapster onetwo (ae070b69@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.7.11.105)`
`04:09.15`	`*** mode/#sc2mapster [+v onetwo] by ChanServ`
`04:09.20`	`JademusSreg`	`Hah.`
`04:09.23`	`Mexa`	`*never`
`04:09.28`	`Mexa`	`Hello`
`04:09.29`	`JademusSreg`	`Quite.`
`04:09.31`	`Motive`	`I ALREADY WON DAMNIT`
`04:09.36`	`JademusSreg`	`What's up?`
`04:09.54`	`Mexa`	`Hamburgers.`
`04:10.05`	`JManV`	`omg`
`04:10.07`	`JademusSreg`	`Turkeyburgers.`
`04:10.13`	`JManV`	`i opened my mod in an mpq editor`
`04:10.20`	`JademusSreg`	`Who makes burgers out of ham, anyway?`
`04:10.23`	`JManV`	`it literally deleted all of my units`
`04:10.26`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`anyone here from EU`
`04:10.29`	`Pushover`	`nicely done`
`04:10.33`	`Mexa`	`Don't blaim me for the word:P`
`04:10.34`	`JademusSreg`	`Congrats, Jman.`
`04:10.40`	`JManV`	`it's super awesome`
`04:10.41`	`Mexa`	`I'm from EU`
`04:10.50`	`JademusSreg`	`That sounds goddamn terrible.`
`04:10.59`	`JManV`	`it is`
`04:11.09`	`JManV`	`the backup system sucks`
`04:11.14`	`JManV`	`i save like every 5 minutes`
`04:11.20`	`JManV`	`because i'm jumping from mod to map`
`04:11.35`	`JManV`	`and my last backup is an hour and a half old`
`04:12.06`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`my motto is`
`04:12.10`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`never backup. never surrender.`
`04:12.22`	`JManV`	`thanks onetwo. that helps emensely :P`
`04:12.40`	`JademusSreg`	`Never surrender while backing up.`
`04:12.52`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`i should make a tutorial on it`
`04:12.55`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`about never backing up`
`04:12.55`	`JManV`	`either wya, i'm trying to figure out if i want to transfer the units to the current mod, or the code to the backup :P`
`04:12.58`	`JManV`	`i'm thinking code`
`04:13.01`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`and the advantages of it`
`04:13.02`	`JademusSreg`	`YES`
`04:13.24`	`JademusSreg`	`OneTwo, perhaps you should make a TigerBlood cameo.`
`04:13.54`	`Mexa`	`Wait... Blizzard is implementing a GrandMaster League?`
`04:14.18`	`Pushover`	`yup`
`04:14.31`	`Pushover`	`only the implementation is dumb`
`04:14.32`	`JManV`	`soon`
`04:14.45`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes. We didn't have enough people prefacing their every post with their incredibly impressive league rankings, we needed more.`
`04:14.59`	`Pushover`	`4000 masters here, ...`
`04:15.03`	`Pushover`	`blah blah blah`
`04:15.05`	`Pushover`	`lol`
`04:15.05`	`JManV`	`i'm a 50th rank gold`
`04:15.11`	`Pushover`	`im like`
`04:15.14`	`JManV`	`like 250 pts i think :P`
`04:15.17`	`Pushover`	`400 diamond with almost 3k`
`04:15.19`	`Pushover`	`bonus pool`
`04:15.22`	`Pushover`	`or something`
`04:15.26`	`JademusSreg`	`I'm #1 in the Lint league, Navel division.`
`04:15.31`	`JManV`	`awesome`
`04:15.34`	`Vexal`	`.`
`04:15.46`	`JManV`	`iirc, onetwo has 1 league game played :P`
`04:15.55`	`JademusSreg`	`Me too.`
`04:16.29`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`i have 10 games played i thought`
`04:16.31`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`from like last july`
`04:16.36`	`Mexa`	`The best moment were probably when my team got #1 in a division. The problem was, only we were there :\|`
`04:16.59`	`JManV`	`dammit`
`04:17.04`	`JManV`	`the editor did it again`
`04:17.10`	`JManV`	`i only have one backup`
`04:17.18`	`JManV`	`that's not actually a backup, it's my last save`
`04:17.19`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`lol hilarious`
`04:17.28`	`JManV`	`all the other backups are at least 2 days old`
`04:17.28`	`JademusSreg`	`CnP.`
`04:17.28`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`my map is in the exact same rank of popularity on EU and US`
`04:17.30`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`by chance`
`04:17.35`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`interesting`
`04:17.44`	`JademusSreg`	`Congrats.`
`04:17.47`	`JManV`	`wtf?!?!?!`
`04:17.54`	`JManV`	`my precious units!`
`04:18.17`	`JademusSreg`	`I figured the grindiness would help it acquire time, and in turn popularity. =)`
`04:18.29`	`JademusSreg`	`But besides that, it has delicious production value.`
`04:18.41`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`yeah grindiness thats waht i was going for`
`04:18.45`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`im sick of it atm`
`04:18.50`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`i keep it updated but i barely play lol`
`04:18.57`	`JManV`	`i don't think i can play it anymore either`
`04:19.29`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`i gotta deal with 10+ emails a day about banks reset`
`04:19.32`	`JManV`	`omfg`
`04:19.36`	`JManV`	`it's all my data`
`04:19.40`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`cause blizz made it so if your comp shuts off mid-game it clears your bank`
`04:19.42`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`gg`
`04:19.54`	`JademusSreg`	`That's brilliant.`
`04:20.07`	`JManV`	`i know what i did`
`04:20.19`	`JManV`	`i tried opening map and mod at same time`
`04:20.21`	`JManV`	`it prolly used the same temp file`
`04:20.24`	`JManV`	`dammit`
`04:20.53`	`JManV`	`don't do that`
`04:20.55`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`:/`
`04:20.55`	`JManV`	`for the record`
`04:21.06`	`JManV`	`i think i can fix it`
`04:21.13`	`Mexa`	`Gotta realise though OneTwo, if your computer shuts down, the bank is not saved`
`04:21.13`	`JManV`	`i haven't changed anything in data in days`
`04:21.18`	`JManV`	`except for just now`
`04:21.57`	`Mexa`	`I mean, how is it going to get the time to save?`
`04:22.20`	`Mexa`	`Oh.. the clearing of the bank`
`04:23.00`	`Mexa`	`nvm..`
`04:23.14`	`JademusSreg`	`Wakka wakka`
`04:24.30`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`not only is it not saving your latest data`
`04:24.33`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`it actually deletes the old file`
`04:24.41`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`force-quit sc2 doesnt do it either`
`04:24.44`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`has to be a shutdown`
`04:25.20`	`JManV`	`w00tzilla!`
`04:25.38`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`i may have to report to blizz`
`04:25.41`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`cause yeah`
`04:25.48`	`JManV`	`fixed it with absolutely no work lost`
`04:25.48`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`im getting tired of having to be tech support`
`04:25.52`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`gj jman`
`04:26.06`	`JademusSreg`	`So what was the problem?`
`04:26.21`	`JManV`	`i opened two mpqeditors at the same time`
`04:26.25`	`JademusSreg`	`Tell us so that future generations may benefit from your wisdom. =D`
`04:26.27`	`JManV`	`and apparently it used the same temp file`
`04:26.31`	`JademusSreg`	`Whahahat?`
`04:26.41`	`JManV`	`mpediten64`
`04:26.45`	`JManV`	`ran twice`
`04:26.51`	`JManV`	`opened unitdata for two maps`
`04:26.56`	`JademusSreg`	`Hilarious.`
`04:26.59`	`JManV`	`and it overwrote one map with the other`
`04:27.18`	`JManV`	`fortunately, i've only made changes to triggers for the last week or so`
`04:27.30`	`JManV`	`so i just copied the mpq data back from a backup`
`04:27.41`	`JManV`	`once i figured out what happened, that was`
`04:27.53`	`JManV`	`as soon as i realized it had objects from the other map...`
`04:27.56`	`JManV`	`lightbulb.`
`04:28.08`	`JManV`	`so yeah... don't do that.`
`04:29.43`	`Mexa`	`Gonna watch some Mythbusters. Seeya people.`
`04:30.05`	`JManV`	`wtf`
`04:30.14`	`JManV`	`colonist female doesn't have animations?`
`04:30.40`	`JademusSreg`	`It does, but you need to load another m3 that contains the,.`
`04:30.43`	`JademusSreg`	`*them`
`04:31.06`	`JademusSreg`	`A number of models behave that way.`
`04:31.18`	`JManV`	`weird`
`04:32.03`	`JManV`	`how would i go about doing that?`
`04:32.23`	`JademusSreg`	`I have no idea.`
`04:32.24`	`Mexa`	`I know that some models have a corresponding m3h file, a sort of header`
`04:32.28`	`Mexa`	`Maybe that's it?`
`04:32.53`	`JManV`	`ok no i messed something up`
`04:33.07`	`JManV`	`because my main model isn't animating either`
`04:33.52`	`JManV`	`there we go`
`04:34.16`	`JManV`	`once again, it was something i did :P`
`04:35.22`	`JManV`	`i guess i better go to bed while everything works`
`04:35.28`	`JManV`	`before i break something again`
`04:36.06`	`Mexa`	`Hey JManV`
`04:36.32`	`Mexa`	`You could make Dropbox really useful when it comes to sc2 backups`
`04:36.54`	`JademusSreg`	`=)`
`04:36.56`	`JManV`	`i transfer my files to work daily`
`04:37.12`	`Mexa`	`ok:)`
`04:37.24`	`JManV`	`the problem happens when the editor leaves me with no backup for several hours`
`04:37.38`	`JManV`	`not days but hours`
`04:37.43`	`JManV`	`when i have it set to save like constantly`
`04:37.47`	`JManV`	`up to 40 backups`
`04:37.49`	`Mexa`	`Oh`
`04:38.03`	`Mexa`	`Shouldn't making a backup when saving be enough?`
`04:38.13`	`JManV`	`when i mess up my map`
`04:38.17`	`Mexa`	`I find myself very often lately to press ctrl+s to save`
`04:38.20`	`JManV`	`all i'm left with is the most recent save`
`04:38.24`	`JManV`	`which is often messed up`
`04:38.43`	`Mexa`	`That's weird`
`04:38.46`	`Mexa`	`So it's a bug?`
`04:38.55`	`JManV`	`as far as i can tell`
`04:39.02`	`JManV`	`i've reproduced it on two computers`
`04:39.10`	`JManV`	`it just seems to overwrite the same backup`
`04:39.19`	`JManV`	`maybe after it reaches its limit`
`04:39.23`	`Mexa`	`Maybe it's a admin control setting`
`04:39.25`	`JManV`	`instead of renumbering everything`
`04:39.38`	`JManV`	`it just overwrites backup #1`
`04:39.44`	`JManV`	`and calls it done`
`04:40.00`	`Mexa`	`If it works intented, when you hit the maxbackup count for a map, it will begin overwrite the first one`
`04:40.09`	`Mexa`	`and then second, third etc`
`04:40.13`	`JManV`	`cuz the other day when i noticed it, my 2nd - whatever backups were /months/ behind`
`04:40.27`	`JManV`	`no, not the 2nd, 3rd`
`04:40.39`	`JManV`	`just 1st`
`04:40.42`	`JManV`	`over and over`
`04:40.47`	`Mexa`	`damn`
`04:40.48`	`Mexa`	`okay`
`04:41.15`	`Mexa`	`That sounds annoying indeed.`
`04:41.40`	`JManV`	`i'm gonna try to reproduce it in a controlled environment tomorrow`
`04:41.54`	`JManV`	`if i can, i'll report the bug`
`04:42.43`	`JManV`	`night all`
`04:43.02`	`JManV\|DedZ`	`map night tomorrow, bitches!`
`04:43.34`	`Mexa`	`night`
`04:43.35`	`Skizot`	`your mom is.`
`04:43.39`	`Mexa`	`oh well, he left already`
`04:43.41`	`JademusSreg`	`Hah.`
`04:45.17`	`Mexa`	`wait`
`04:45.21`	`Mexa`	`he didn't left`
`04:46.12`	`Mexa`	`Meh, now at last Mythbusters`
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`04:47.42`	`JademusSreg`	`Hi grim.`
`04:48.48`	`grim001`	`hi`
`04:52.24`	`JademusSreg`	`How is the preprocessor code coming along?`
`04:53.24`	`Mexa`	`good thing someone else is doing one, that means I don't need to make one too :)`
`04:53.52`	`Mexa`	`As the fact is, everytime I start I get a feeling I already am bored on the project`
`05:08.35`	`grim001`	`For the last day and a half I haven't been able to work on it. I was getting a little burned out anyway because I spent like 24 hours in the course of 3 days working on it`
`05:08.54`	`JademusSreg`	`Understandable.`
`05:10.24`	`grim001`	`I've pretty much got it recognizing "public" and "private" and altering the function/variable it's declared in front of`
`05:10.45`	`grim001`	`but now I've got to add another phase where it replaces the variable/function throughout the text`
`05:12.08`	`grim001`	`also, I've not yet taken string literals, block comments, or multiple lines of code on a single line separated by ; into account`
`05:13.00`	`grim001`	`and I hope no one really uses linebreaks inside string literals, I don't think it would ever handle that correctly.`
`05:13.16`	`grim001`	`restarting`
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`05:17.36`	`grim001`	`back`
`05:17.53`	`JademusSreg`	`Welcome.`
`05:18.05`	`JademusSreg`	`I'm dealing with some footprint craziness.`
`05:18.35`	`grim001`	`well`
`05:18.38`	`grim001`	`I guess I could do this`
`05:18.41`	`Motive_WON`	`grim001: maybe try posting the code on github if you're getting worn out`
`05:19.05`	`grim001`	`add a phase that scans the script looking for linebreaks and "continuations" via linebreaks within string literals`
`05:19.25`	`grim001`	`and transforms it into something less annoying to deal with`
`05:19.40`	`grim001`	`i dont even know if galaxy supports linebreaks within string literals`
`05:19.56`	`Motive`	`I don't think it should be legal, personally`
`05:20.14`	`Motive`	`just bad practice`
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`05:20.17`	`grim001`	`if certain things prove to be too much of an issue to deal with, I will just warn people not to do it`
`05:20.26`	`Motive`	`better to "\n" + <new line> "Blah blah blah...."`
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`05:23.29`	`JademusSreg`	`Man is that annoying. Various modifications to the footprints, to no avail. I'll work on it tomorrow.`
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`05:29.18`	`Mexa`	`hey grim, keep up the good work`
`05:30.42`	`grim001`	`gee thanks`
`05:31.10`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha.`
`05:31.14`	`grim001`	`now I've got to spend the next few hours tweaking this fresh install of windows to not suck`
`05:31.19`	`Mexa`	`No well I mean, I hope you make something out of it`
`05:31.20`	`JademusSreg`	`Good times.`
`05:31.56`	`Mexa`	`Would be cool, and I totally support it, if there's something you need I could assist if you needed to.`
`05:32.46`	`Mexa`	`Not relly saying that I am the expert in the area.. Just trying to be supportive:P`
`05:33.35`	`grim001`	`it's not so much that I need help, it's just that I plan to include the source code with each released version`
`05:33.54`	`Motive`	`you should put it on git :P`
`05:33.59`	`Mexa`	`oh, cool`
`05:34.44`	`JademusSreg`	`Maybe someday s3rius will wrap up the compiler for grape.`
`05:34.59`	`JademusSreg`	`Until then, viva la grim's preprocessor.`
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`05:43.54`	`Mexa`	`I thought Vestras was in charge of grape`
`05:45.11`	`JademusSreg`	`He is.`
`05:45.28`	`JademusSreg`	`He wrote the syntax checker, s3rius is writing the compiler, apparently.`
`05:47.42`	`Mexa`	`oh`
`05:47.57`	`CryptRat`	`Is there any way to control who can see a Timer Window?`
`05:48.16`	`JademusSreg`	`Dunno. I don't user timer windows.`
`05:48.29`	`JademusSreg`	`I script my own.`
`05:48.36`	`CryptRat`	`:/`
`05:51.26`	`JademusSreg`	`Dialog and a label to display, global variable as a counter, timer trigger or a thread with a loop to increment time.`
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`05:54.53`	`JademusSreg`	`Time to sleep.`
`05:55.03`	`Mexa`	`Seeya`
`05:57.13`	`CryptRat`	`Hm`
`05:57.37`	`CryptRat`	`So you didn't actually script one, you just made a doll out of other trigger editor components?`
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`06:18.23`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`EKCOL`
`06:18.25`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`yes`
`06:18.34`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`you there?`
`06:21.28`	`CryptRat`	`Why did everyone die? D:`
`06:30.52`	`Mexa`	`... You got to be kidding me... It's snowing again.`
`06:35.32`	`CryptRat`	`Where?`
`06:35.54`	`CryptRat`	`Also, I'm having trouble getting a trigger to detect units being warped in.`
`06:36.24`	`CryptRat`	`What I actually want to do is have a warp in ability apply a behavior to the casting unit.`
`06:36.55`	`CryptRat`	`But as I can't figure out how to do that normally, I'm trying to detect it and manually do it with a trigger.`
`06:39.01`	`Mexa`	`Sweden`
`06:39.05`	`Mexa`	`And I thought it was over`
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`07:09.59`	`tordy`	`yall need some help`
`07:10.05`	`tordy`	`can you change the local offset of a site op`
`07:15.16`	`MrOp`	`Oo`
`07:30.53`	`MrOp`	`tordy`
`07:36.00`	`tordy`	`hat`
`07:51.44`	`CryptRat`	`site op?`
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`08:16.04`	`Bounty`	`Jademussreg, you there?`
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`08:16.51`	`MrOp`	`bounty can you help me test`
`08:16.55`	`MrOp`	`OMG DEMO`
`08:16.58`	`MrOp`	`U3`
`08:16.58`	`Demo`	`NOW YOU CANT BREATH WITHOUT ME`
`08:16.59`	`MrOp`	`2`
`08:17.08`	`MrOp`	`i need help with a atester please`
`08:17.22`	`Bounty`	`I will help you test`
`08:17.28`	`Bounty`	`IF you can answer three riddles`
`08:17.29`	`MrOp`	`thxs man`
`08:17.33`	`MrOp`	`my mom`
`08:17.35`	`MrOp`	`your mom`
`08:17.37`	`MrOp`	`and my balls`
`08:17.38`	`Demo`	`You're the love of my life, but you hurt my heart twice`
`08:17.40`	`MrOp`	`ok read`
`08:17.45`	`Bounty`	`ok but seriously`
`08:17.46`	`MrOp`	`ready*`
`08:17.48`	`Bounty`	`both of u`
`08:17.53`	`Bounty`	`help me out with this question`
`08:17.54`	`MrOp`	`i have someone waiting`
`08:17.58`	`MrOp`	`(_ _)`
`08:18.00`	`MrOp`	`ask me in game`
`08:18.01`	`Bounty`	`Doodad Hunt 2 will have jumping`
`08:18.04`	`Bounty`	`now basically i have two options`
`08:18.23`	`Bounty`	`either make damage precise based on height, so if we're both jumping we both have to be around the same height`
`08:18.36`	`Bounty`	`or i can make it so that if we're both jumping it will register (would make it easier to hit ppl)`
`08:18.42`	`Bounty`	`what do u two think`
`08:18.49`	`MrOp`	`demo bounty can you guys jump in`
`08:19.11`	`MrOp`	`plz i have someone waiting`
`08:19.13`	`MrOp`	`:)`
`08:19.13`	`Bounty`	`just answer that question realfast and ill log on`
`08:19.19`	`Bounty`	`i need opinions`
`08:19.24`	`Demo`	`uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh`
`08:19.28`	`Demo`	`the second one`
`08:19.36`	`Demo`	`nobody likes thinking they hit`
`08:19.38`	`MrOp`	`i think having a falloff`
`08:19.42`	`MrOp`	`with dmg make more sense`
`08:19.44`	`Bounty`	`thats what i was thinking demo`
`08:19.50`	`Bounty`	`that and it would counter any delay`
`08:19.51`	`MrOp`	`but try both honesly and see what works better`
`08:19.52`	`Demo`	`and it not actually hitting`
`08:19.58`	`MrOp`	`the fall off seems harder`
`08:20.09`	`MrOp`	`ok jump in`
`08:20.11`	`MrOp`	`:p`
`08:20.12`	`Bounty`	`well MrOP my thing is i cant guarantee everyone will have smooth keypresses`
`08:20.20`	`MrOp`	`uh`
`08:20.23`	`Bounty`	`and this would give the illusion of precision`
`08:20.24`	`MrOp`	`idk then`
`08:20.27`	`MrOp`	`o`
`08:20.33`	`MrOp`	`that probably better ten`
`08:20.35`	`Bounty`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywHOT-ONq2g&feature=player_embedded`
`08:20.38`	`Bounty`	`thats what jumping is like`
`08:20.40`	`Bounty`	`its pretty fast`
`08:21.33`	`MrOp`	`ok bbounty need u plz`
`08:21.35`	`MrOp`	`^^`
`08:21.41`	`Bounty`	`coming`
`08:21.44`	`Bounty`	`DID YOU WATCH THE VIDEO!?`
`08:22.13`	`MrOp`	`yea`
`08:22.15`	`MrOp`	`oO`
`08:22.25`	`MrOp`	`yesterday or the 1st time you posted it`
`08:22.37`	`Bounty`	`i just posted it like 4 hours ago`
`08:22.45`	`MrOp`	`OMG i have 3 people`
`08:22.47`	`MrOp`	`(_ _)`
`08:23.02`	`MrOp`	`yea i saw this`
`08:23.03`	`MrOp`	`Oo`
`08:23.13`	`MrOp`	`its cool`
`08:23.23`	`MrOp`	`minus the music lol`
`08:23.25`	`MrOp`	`XD`
`08:23.30`	`Bounty`	`wtf`
`08:23.34`	`Bounty`	`MINUS the music?`
`08:23.39`	`Bounty`	`ur insane`
`08:23.46`	`Bounty`	`that was the best part about the original lol`
`08:23.54`	`MrOp`	`oh dear god`
`08:24.06`	`MrOp`	`idk if i can play your game if that is the music`
`08:24.11`	`MrOp`	`(_ _)`
`08:24.15`	`MrOp`	`XD`
`08:24.16`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`08:24.20`	`Bounty`	`btw`
`08:24.28`	`Bounty`	`im nervous abotu how thta flamethrower works`
`08:24.31`	`Bounty`	`i hope it doesnt blow up battlenet`
`08:24.33`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`08:24.38`	`MrOp`	`so are you coming or not`
`08:24.47`	`Bounty`	`yeah im in the channel`
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`08:56.06`	`harl`	`wuff wuff`
`08:56.55`	`Bounty`	`Hai guys`
`09:01.19`	`Demo`	`Bounty you get your ass back here right now`
`09:01.37`	`MrOp`	`demo did you have any thought an weapon balances`
`09:01.51`	`Demo`	`Nah, everything seemed fine`
`09:01.54`	`Demo`	`I prefered the sniper`
`09:01.57`	`Demo`	`or HPR`
`09:02.01`	`MrOp`	`yea`
`09:02.05`	`Demo`	`could just blink kill`
`09:02.23`	`MrOp`	`its harder with HPR though`
`09:02.39`	`MrOp`	`other guns make it alittle easyer`
`09:03.04`	`MrOp`	`do you know how much extra dmg a unit take when it is weak toward another unit typr`
`09:04.44`	`Demo`	`no clue`
`09:04.54`	`Demo`	`I don't do that type of balancing`
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`09:05.13`	`MrOp`	`do you know anyone that is good at balancing`
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`09:07.30`	`Demo`	`I would imagine anyone that has made a TD that implements that system`
`09:07.50`	`Demo`	`Is there anyone in here, that is available for their opinion on something in my map?`
`09:08.02`	`MrOp`	`i can help if you need me to`
`09:08.07`	`Demo`	`WELLSIR`
`09:08.12`	`Demo`	`I'm taking you up on that offer`
`09:08.23`	`Demo`	`the bnet lag makes something that I did annoying`
`09:08.35`	`Demo`	`and I'm trying to find out if it's that big of a deal`
`09:08.36`	`MrOp`	`ok do you need it done now i want to fix what bounty was having issues with`
`09:08.53`	`MrOp`	`maybe like 15 mins or less`
`09:09.06`	`MrOp`	`prob less`
`09:09.09`	`Demo`	`go do that`
`09:09.14`	`MrOp`	`k`
`09:09.32`	`Demo`	`Does anyone know how to make the "highlight unit" event fire with less lag, i.e. a work around?`
`09:09.57`	`MrOp`	`you can ask queen about thta`
`09:10.04`	`MrOp`	`but i think she said it not good`
`09:10.13`	`MrOp`	`and had a simular issue`
`09:10.14`	`Demo`	`:/`
`09:10.54`	`MrOp`	`but her thing needed to be near perfect`
`09:11.04`	`MrOp`	`so ask her about it when she is on`
`09:11.19`	`Bounty`	`is there anyway to give a unit a footprint and still allow him to move?`
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`09:15.27`	`Demo`	`I don't know`
`09:15.29`	`Demo`	`WTB LESS LAG`
`09:15.37`	`Demo`	`Ugh`
`09:18.29`	`Demo`	`Is it bad that I'm nearing the completion of my map, and I still don't have a name?`
`09:18.45`	`MrOp`	`i dont have a name`
`09:18.47`	`MrOp`	`XD`
`09:18.49`	`MrOp`	`so idk`
`09:18.50`	`MrOp`	`XD`
`09:19.18`	`Demo`	`The names I want, are either taken or they bugged out`
`09:19.36`	`Demo`	`I have 4 maps published, but I still have 8 slots left...`
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`09:23.06`	`Bounty`	`i swear to god`
`09:23.08`	`Bounty`	`fucking Upgrades`
`09:23.11`	`Bounty`	`can do ANYTHING lol`
`09:23.29`	`MrOp`	`Oo`
`09:25.25`	`Bounty`	`seriously`
`09:25.28`	`Bounty`	`like whenever something goes wrong`
`09:25.33`	`Bounty`	`i can fix it in a upgrade`
`09:25.41`	`Bounty`	`my entire jump system uses upgrades lol`
`09:26.18`	`MrOp`	`how do you fix it with an upgrade`
`09:26.36`	`Bounty`	`bc u can adjust shit loads of unit fields with upgrades`
`09:26.37`	`Bounty`	`like`
`09:26.42`	`Bounty`	`i can change a units mover`
`09:26.47`	`Bounty`	`his collision radius`
`09:26.48`	`Bounty`	`the works`
`09:26.51`	`Bounty`	`with upgrades lol`
`09:31.10`	`MrOp`	`demo`
`09:31.15`	`Demo`	`I guess I'll have to whip my hair back and forth.`
`09:31.15`	`MrOp`	`you need me now?`
`09:31.16`	`Demo`	`hi`
`09:31.17`	`Demo`	`sure`
`09:31.28`	`MrOp`	`Oo`
`09:31.36`	`Demo`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e20GQuEJsBo`
`09:31.43`	`MrOp`	`did you watch will smiths daughter song`
`09:31.46`	`MrOp`	`lol`
`09:31.54`	`Demo`	`the better version is that link`
`09:31.58`	`MrOp`	`its wierd his kids look like him more then his wife`
`09:32.14`	`MrOp`	`she is not bad either`
`09:32.17`	`MrOp`	`not great`
`09:32.20`	`MrOp`	`but not bad`
`09:32.32`	`MrOp`	`but idk hvae any hair so`
`09:32.58`	`Demo`	`GET ON SC2`
`09:33.02`	`MrOp`	`k`
`09:33.08`	`Demo`	`we will whip our hair black and forth`
`09:33.18`	`MrOp`	`sound good`
`09:33.25`	`MrOp`	`maybe we should team up and make a map`
`09:33.28`	`MrOp`	`about it lol`
`09:33.56`	`Demo`	`I dunno`
`09:34.00`	`MrOp`	`this remix is more anoying then the song`
`09:34.03`	`Demo`	`I've thought about making a map with someone`
`09:34.12`	`MrOp`	`at least the reg video is interesting to watch`
`09:34.19`	`Demo`	`I just am not sure if my narcissistic side would work well`
`09:34.27`	`Demo`	`with others`
`09:34.39`	`Demo`	`I'd probably just end up wanting to do everything myself`
`09:35.26`	`Bounty`	`what actor message do u use if u want something to happen when a unit takes damage from a specific effect`
`09:35.35`	`Bibendus`	`is now away - Reason : Auto-Away after 30 minutes`
`09:35.54`	`MrOp`	`ok demo`
`09:36.48`	`Demo`	`ok what`
`09:37.42`	`Bounty`	`either of u know?`
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`09:40.00`	`MrOp`	`why you leave`
`09:40.16`	`Bounty`	`Hey QueenGambit and grim001`
`09:40.19`	`Demo`	`I couldn't type`
`09:40.23`	`Bounty`	`what actor message do u use if u want something to happen when a unit takes damage from a specific effect?`
`09:40.25`	`Demo`	`something was wrong with my client`
`09:40.25`	`MrOp`	`??`
`09:40.32`	`Demo`	`I would press enter`
`09:40.33`	`Demo`	`type`
`09:40.33`	`MrOp`	`o`
`09:40.37`	`QueenGambit`	`hi Bounty hi grim001 hi demo hi mrOp`
`09:40.38`	`Demo`	`and be unable to press enter`
`09:40.48`	`Demo`	`Ooooh just the person I wanted to aska question`
`09:41.12`	`Demo`	`is there any workaround to make the highlight unit event fire with less lag?`
`09:41.52`	`MrOp`	`so you coming back or are we done for now`
`09:42.07`	`Demo`	`had to restart my client, I'm back in`
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`09:48.54`	`grim001`	`anyone know a good site other than digitalblasphemy for desktop backgrounds`
`10:00.25`	`Bounty`	`soo`
`10:00.34`	`Bounty`	`anyone able to help me with an actor message question`
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`10:20.21`	`grim001`	`still fixing windows...`
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`10:31.26`	`Clord`	`http://forums.sc2mapster.com/player-zone/map-feedback/19736-shinigami-note/#p1`
`10:33.41`	`Bounty`	`How can i get a damage effect to apply behavior`
`10:37.38`	`Clord`	`hehe`
`10:37.41`	`Clord`	`you can go trigger route`
`10:37.47`	`Bounty`	`i know`
`10:37.49`	`Clord`	`but I suspect some feel that is "lazy way"`
`10:37.52`	`Clord`	`that`
`10:37.58`	`Bounty`	`but not with a damage affect that will be firing this much`
`10:38.04`	`Bounty`	`could cause issues lol`
`10:38.08`	`Clord`	`lol`
`10:38.35`	`Clord`	`I know what you mean lol`
`10:38.43`	`Clord`	`shinigami note map got similar issue before I bit optimized trigger`
`10:38.49`	`Clord`	`it made so huge loops`
`10:38.54`	`Clord`	`that lag everytime it checked units around you`
`10:39.36`	`Bounty`	`yeah ive had myshare of trigger lag`
`10:39.37`	`Bounty`	`><`
`10:41.01`	`MrOp`	`nitgh all`
`10:42.13`	`Clord`	`that optimization was idiotically easy lol`
`10:42.20`	`Clord`	`all did need to check if unit was player controlled`
`10:42.30`	`Clord`	`and make decoy units actaully neutral hostile with alliance with everyone`
`10:43.02`	`Bounty`	`nice`
`10:43.07`	`Bounty`	`><`
`10:43.35`	`Bounty`	`god doodad hutn 2 is going to be so epic :)`
`10:43.44`	`Bounty`	`i imported the voice files from the Scout =P`
`10:43.47`	`Clord`	`those decoy units what wander around map randomly..... you can pretend to be one with doing same ^^`
`10:43.48`	`Clord`	`lol`
`10:43.49`	`Bounty`	`in TF2`
`10:43.52`	`Clord`	`kira passes by.. dead!`
`10:43.53`	`Clord`	`XD`
`10:44.10`	`Clord`	`then player is like "damn, I thought he was decoy"`
`10:44.11`	`Clord`	`XD`
`10:44.16`	`Clord`	`there is not respawn :)`
`10:44.21`	`Clord`	`no`
`10:44.56`	`Bounty`	`><`
`10:45.02`	`Clord`	`Bounty be careful lol....`
`10:45.13`	`Bounty`	`why?`
`10:45.14`	`Clord`	`copyrighted scout sounds ^^`
`10:45.17`	`Bounty`	`look at smashcraft`
`10:45.25`	`Clord`	`hehe :)`
`10:45.31`	`Bounty`	`everything including those voices are copyrighted lol`
`10:45.51`	`Clord`	`then again... this pre 1.3.0 system not make less popular maps to be in danger`
`10:45.55`	`Clord`	`as they are more under cover`
`10:46.12`	`Bounty`	`I'd be surprised if this map doesnt hit page 1`
`10:46.19`	`Bounty`	`Doodad Hunt 2`
`10:47.04`	`Clord`	`however... if using sound effects from some amnesia the dark descent`
`10:47.11`	`Clord`	`those smaller "companies" not mind`
`10:47.20`	`Bounty`	`i doubt Valve would care`
`10:47.27`	`Bounty`	`im not making money off this`
`10:47.33`	`Clord`	`it is those big companies what are super greedy to hold their copyrights in tigh sleash`
`10:47.47`	`Clord`	`leash... lol XD`
`10:47.50`	`Clord`	`anyways`
`10:47.53`	`Clord`	`yeah probably not`
`10:48.00`	`Bounty`	`yeah like`
`10:48.07`	`Clord`	`but.... nothing guarantees that blizzard not take action by themeselves`
`10:48.08`	`Bounty`	`if this was an Activision game`
`10:48.12`	`Bounty`	`that i was stealing from`
`10:48.17`	`Bounty`	`then i MIGHT have an issue`
`10:48.32`	`Bounty`	`but i would really be shocked if Valve did something`
`10:48.49`	`Clord`	`there was that Aliens vs Predator map in EU... blizzard deleted it after people started to notice it`
`10:48.54`	`Clord`	`or so it seems.. not sure`
`10:48.55`	`Clord`	`XD`
`10:49.03`	`Clord`	`but it used actual image from aliens vs predator`
`10:49.05`	`Clord`	`lol`
`10:50.05`	`Clord`	`anyways as 1.3.0 not gonna be end of the map because of banned name`
`10:50.09`	`Clord`	`or other ban for map`
`10:50.16`	`Clord`	`as you can just change it and re-publish`
`10:50.22`	`Clord`	`I have more ballsy attempts for maps`
`10:50.49`	`Clord`	`names are not copyrighted but stuff inside resembles very much telling what is inspiration source`
`10:51.06`	`Clord`	`map names I mean XD`
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`10:51.37`	`Resinate`	`guys`
`10:51.47`	`Resinate`	`are there any triggers to detect 2v2 game over a 4 way FFA`
`10:52.08`	`Clord`	`for example.. Shinigami Note map..... people gonna get what map is without calling it "death note" or mentioning such word combination anywhere in map`
`10:54.50`	`Clord`	`hehe`
`10:55.00`	`Clord`	`another stupid name to use if want get map banned.. in map name etc`
`10:55.01`	`Clord`	`mario kart`
`10:55.02`	`Clord`	`XD`
`10:55.12`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`10:55.21`	`Bounty`	`Super Smash Bros Mass`
`10:55.26`	`Bounty`	`been out since day one`
`10:55.28`	`Bounty`	`not banned`
`10:55.28`	`Bounty`	`=P`
`10:55.49`	`Clord`	`mario game has got even commerical clones or whatever in past`
`10:55.50`	`Bounty`	`btw, did you see the new doodad hunt 2 vid? :)`
`10:55.51`	`Bounty`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywHOT-ONq2g&feature=player_embedded`
`10:56.07`	`Bounty`	`the voice effects MAKE that video`
`10:56.08`	`Bounty`	`lol`
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`10:57.31`	`Clord`	`unfortunately that is where RTS engine hits the wall`
`10:57.39`	`Clord`	`you can just really fake aiming`
`10:57.40`	`Clord`	`part`
`10:57.50`	`Bounty`	`uhh`
`10:57.58`	`Bounty`	`that grenade launcher is real aiming lol`
`10:58.11`	`Clord`	`also what with those gay jump sounds? is that mario or luigi or what?`
`10:58.18`	`Bounty`	`nope`
`10:58.21`	`Bounty`	`Scout from TF2`
`10:58.23`	`Bounty`	`><`
`10:58.37`	`Clord`	`I have played tons TF2 and I don't recgonize them as same sounds`
`10:58.39`	`Clord`	`lol`
`10:58.42`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`10:59.01`	`Clord`	`let's see what audio quality increase does :)`
`10:59.05`	`Bounty`	`ull recgonize the taunts definently`
`10:59.15`	`Bounty`	`thatll be next video`
`10:59.49`	`Bounty`	`but yeah that grenade launcher goes exactly where the center of your camera is`
`10:59.50`	`Clord`	`I think it is because of TF2 uses scout sounds`
`10:59.54`	`Clord`	`instead how your map uses them`
`11:00.38`	`Clord`	`basically SCII sucks to make instant hit FPS/TPS weapons ^^`
`11:00.50`	`Clord`	`so those are some nice solutions for that`
`11:01.01`	`Bounty`	`oh u mean click insta damage?`
`11:01.04`	`Bounty`	`easy :)`
`11:01.15`	`Mexa`	`I don't really get the idea behind ripping assets from other games though`
`11:01.17`	`Bounty`	`you dont even need traclines`
`11:01.45`	`Bounty`	`bc Doodad Hunt is based off a TF2 Mod and the voices make it funnier`
`11:01.59`	`Mexa`	`what you do is violating both sc2 and the other game companies ToA. Why does people ignore it?`
`11:02.10`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`11:02.11`	`Bounty`	`wow`
`11:02.17`	`Mexa`	`:P`
`11:02.17`	`Bounty`	`another one of u guys?`
`11:02.19`	`Bounty`	`=P`
`11:02.41`	`Mexa`	`"of you guys" I'm not sure, are you thinking I stand for moral justice?`
`11:02.54`	`Bounty`	`lol moral justice?`
`11:02.59`	`Mexa`	`I don't know`
`11:03.05`	`Clord`	`lol`
`11:03.06`	`Bounty`	`If it was such a big deal, maps like Smashcraft would be banned`
`11:03.12`	`Bounty`	`Its not that people dont care`
`11:03.13`	`Mexa`	`yes`
`11:03.14`	`Clord`	`even Kira is noral justice...`
`11:03.16`	`Clord`	`lol`
`11:03.19`	`Bounty`	`The game companies dont care`
`11:03.28`	`Bounty`	`We're not making profit`
`11:03.41`	`Clord`	`:)`
`11:03.43`	`Mexa`	`And I am curious why Smashcraft didn't get banned. Perhaps because the game it is ripped from is older`
`11:03.56`	`Bounty`	`Actually the game its ripped from is very recent`
`11:04.01`	`Bounty`	`more recent then Team Fortress 2`
`11:04.04`	`Bounty`	`and i just told you why`
`11:04.15`	`Bounty`	`Game companies DONT care as long as your not turning a profit off their assets`
`11:04.29`	`Mexa`	`We'll see about it`
`11:04.35`	`Bounty`	`so use this moral justice energy and go fight real crime lol`
`11:04.36`	`Bounty`	`=P`
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`11:04.56`	`Bounty`	`Clord`
`11:05.03`	`Mexa`	`My personal opinion is that it is a worser thing to rip assets from other games to place in another game not directly to each other whatsoever`
`11:05.03`	`Bounty`	`This conversation seems very familiar`
`11:05.10`	`Bounty`	`Did i have this discussion before?`
`11:05.11`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`11:05.20`	`Mexa`	`Not with me.`
`11:05.26`	`Clord`	`it is familiar because it has happened in this channel many times before`
`11:05.28`	`Bounty`	`Yeah i know not with u`
`11:05.30`	`Clord`	`similar`
`11:05.32`	`Clord`	`discussions`
`11:05.39`	`Mexa`	`Then again, this is merely a discussion, I was just pointing out what I think:p`
`11:06.04`	`Bounty`	`Well, you should really consider no map has ever been banned for copyright EVER`
`11:06.09`	`Bounty`	`going all the way back to Starcraft 1`
`11:06.18`	`Mexa`	`Perhaps`
`11:06.26`	`Clord`	`I'm more curious would blizzard feature Shinigami Note map... you write names to kill units`
`11:06.37`	`Bounty`	`i dont see why not Clord`
`11:06.39`	`Clord`	`XD`
`11:06.48`	`Bounty`	`its better then whatever is up there now prolly`
`11:06.50`	`Bounty`	`><`
`11:07.01`	`Mexa`	`Time is changing. Like the way Collecovision had support to plug in both an atari gamepad and a sega genesis gamepad to play games on the collecovision console`
`11:07.08`	`Mexa`	`I would never happend today:P`
`11:07.11`	`Clord`	`because of inspiration source it uses..... LIght in that manga/anime/live acted movies.... kills at least thousands of people least with just writing nmaes`
`11:07.11`	`ducky`	`Clord, about your new map`
`11:07.16`	`ducky`	`what was it's name again?`
`11:07.22`	`ducky`	`"Shinigami Note"`
`11:07.23`	`ducky`	`?`
`11:07.26`	`Clord`	`yeah`
`11:07.27`	`Clord`	`XD`
`11:07.35`	`ducky`	`can't find it in eu`
`11:07.35`	`Bounty`	`I dont see a problem with that though Clord`
`11:07.37`	`ducky`	`:l`
`11:07.46`	`Clord`	`it is probably because I have not hosted it to list yet`
`11:07.57`	`Clord`	`that map is ready for 1.3.0 shine ^^`
`11:08.03`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`11:08.19`	`ducky`	`"Map available in: EU/US (both published by me)" you liar =[`
`11:08.22`	`Clord`	`screenshots and information`
`11:08.23`	`Clord`	`http://forums.sc2mapster.com/player-zone/map-feedback/19736-shinigami-note-eu-us/#p1`
`11:08.29`	`QueenGambit`	`nice a death note map?`
`11:08.44`	`Clord`	`I killed five units for that screenshot`
`11:08.44`	`ducky`	`you should write then "map will be available" :P`
`11:08.45`	`QueenGambit`	`1st sentence had the word Kira =)`
`11:08.54`	`Clord`	`it is already published`
`11:09.01`	`Bounty`	`So its Nexus Word Wars without a Nexus?`
`11:09.04`	`Bounty`	`At its core`
`11:09.10`	`Mexa`	`Bounty, also, game companies that develop the games may not care, but what if the assets really weren't made by themselves?`
`11:09.23`	`Bounty`	`Its Valve Mexa`
`11:09.30`	`Bounty`	`Pretty sur they made it`
`11:09.35`	`Mexa`	`I am just speaking in general :>`
`11:09.44`	`Mexa`	`A sidequestion`
`11:10.00`	`Clord`	`actually... I got idea for typing names to kill units idea way before Rodrigo even made his nexus word wars`
`11:10.04`	`Clord`	`or whoever made it XD`
`11:10.11`	`Clord`	`back in WCIII`
`11:10.15`	`Bounty`	`then i dont know, but like i said... when the day comes that this 20+ year streak of no maps being removed/banned for copyright ends, then this discussion will make sense lol`
`11:10.52`	`Clord`	`however... back in WCIII my map idea would have not been viable`
`11:11.06`	`Clord`	`as you would have shown who name you type... etc`
`11:11.09`	`Mexa`	`Yeah Bounty, you're right.`
`11:11.11`	`Clord`	`dialog solves it`
`11:11.22`	`Clord`	`you can kill without revealing it is chat`
`11:11.25`	`Clord`	`in...`
`11:11.25`	`Bounty`	`I honestly think Blizzard intentionally looks the other way`
`11:11.27`	`Bounty`	`Example`
`11:11.34`	`Mexa`	`I guess the rules would be much much more stricter if they do get a marketplace up`
`11:11.37`	`Bounty`	`I was filming a video for my racing map (which uses copyrighted music)`
`11:11.46`	`Bounty`	`and i was talkign to David Kim to try to get him to join`
`11:11.54`	`Bounty`	`soon as i mentioned it was a F-Zero type racer`
`11:11.56`	`Bounty`	`he said`
`11:12.00`	`Bounty`	`"I prolly shouldnt"`
`11:12.16`	`QueenGambit`	`=/`
`11:12.27`	`Bounty`	`he asked what it was and when i told him he said that lol`
`11:12.48`	`Mexa`	`Yes I guess they blunder for it, but that also show they don't want to get privately involved.`
`11:12.52`	`Bounty`	`idk if thats what he meant by it but its something to go on`
`11:13.28`	`Bounty`	`Well yeah incase a company actually decides to be greedy like that`
`11:13.31`	`Bounty`	`blizzard can say`
`11:13.34`	`Clord`	`btw... in reality game code could be easy to steal.. not to mention games`
`11:13.37`	`Clord`	`example DNF`
`11:13.38`	`Bounty`	`"oh, we didnt know, but now we do and its removed"`
`11:13.40`	`Mexa`	`That racing map of yours Bounty, do you have a video of it?`
`11:13.43`	`Clord`	`that guy got backups in his home from DNF`
`11:13.44`	`Clord`	`XD`
`11:13.46`	`Mexa`	`I'd like to see it`
`11:13.51`	`Bounty`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oy1QMuvs0UY`
`11:14.04`	`Clord`	`it is not rocket science to get it from someone's home`
`11:14.06`	`Clord`	`it is not fortress`
`11:15.22`	`Mexa`	`Bounty, looks pretty cool`
`11:15.30`	`Bounty`	`yeah, its lots of fun`
`11:15.35`	`Mexa`	`You have some issues with the camera though, haven't you?`
`11:15.39`	`Bounty`	`nope`
`11:15.40`	`Clord`	`that gameplay could make someone vomit lol`
`11:15.46`	`Clord`	`rather shaking camera`
`11:15.47`	`Clord`	`lol`
`11:15.51`	`Bounty`	`thats just me Clord`
`11:15.55`	`Mexa`	`Then what about that vehicle not moving straight`
`11:15.58`	`Bounty`	`i get twitchy`
`11:15.59`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`11:16.04`	`Mexa`	`I recognize the problem.`
`11:16.13`	`Mexa`	`I mean, it is not lerping`
`11:16.13`	`Bounty`	`what are you talking about Mexa?`
`11:16.25`	`Bounty`	`the camera is how u steer`
`11:16.26`	`Mexa`	`your vehicle is moving, like back and forward`
`11:16.29`	`Bounty`	`oh`
`11:16.37`	`Bounty`	`didnt read the start of the video?`
`11:16.48`	`Bounty`	`that was caused by my framerate being in the low teens`
`11:16.49`	`Mexa`	`I forgot:P`
`11:16.52`	`Bounty`	`it doesnt do that`
`11:17.01`	`Bounty`	`like when u actually play it`
`11:17.05`	`Mexa`	`Are you sure?`
`11:17.16`	`Bounty`	`lol i would think so =P`
`11:17.29`	`Mexa`	`oh, yeah probably, lol`
`11:17.30`	`Clord`	`so whoever guessed patch comes thursday probably jinxed it`
`11:17.45`	`Bounty`	`i really didnt expect fraps to drop me that much`
`11:17.46`	`Bounty`	`like`
`11:17.48`	`Bounty`	`from 50 fps`
`11:17.49`	`Bounty`	`to 10`
`11:17.54`	`Bounty`	`but i said fuck it`
`11:18.02`	`Bounty`	`bc i had all the people to record the game`
`11:18.03`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`11:18.18`	`Mexa`	`Bounty, I was just saying because that stuttering is a issue in combination of a too high movement update interval`
`11:18.25`	`Mexa`	`In other cases`
`11:18.49`	`Bounty`	`well im sure it could happen`
`11:18.56`	`Clord`	`if patch not come today then screw it`
`11:18.57`	`Bounty`	`but not anywhere near as frequent as in that video`
`11:19.05`	`Mexa`	`alright`
`11:19.12`	`Mexa`	`Is it live on US and EU?`
`11:19.27`	`Bounty`	`on US yes`
`11:19.42`	`Bounty`	`but, as expected... going nowhere`
`11:19.45`	`Bounty`	`u post a map`
`11:19.50`	`Bounty`	`people say holy shit this is awesome`
`11:19.52`	`Bounty`	`and dont play it`
`11:19.54`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`11:19.56`	`Mexa`	`:>`
`11:20.06`	`Clord`	`1.3.0 is answer`
`11:20.07`	`Clord`	`lol`
`11:20.07`	`Bounty`	`hence why im making Doodad Hunt 2`
`11:20.14`	`Clord`	`it makes those lazy types to play something new`
`11:20.26`	`Bounty`	`just the name Doodad Hunt alone will get me to atleast page 2`
`11:20.32`	`Mexa`	`I've seen with starcraft 2 that most of the people don't like a change`
`11:20.51`	`Bounty`	`yeah thats why im doing a sequel now Mexa`
`11:20.54`	`Mexa`	`Which may be that tricky part`
`11:20.56`	`Bounty`	`going with somethign that almost everyone knows`
`11:21.00`	`Mexa`	`Yeah`
`11:21.02`	`Bounty`	`and its an established name`
`11:21.06`	`Mexa`	`A sequel is a good idea`
`11:21.11`	`Bounty`	`yeah`
`11:21.16`	`Bounty`	`the first one is so bad if u go to play it now`
`11:21.24`	`Clord`	`actaully.. back when popularity system was bugged to rollercoaster mode (18 hours hosted reseted popularity of map)........ about every map got played in EU during that time`
`11:21.25`	`Mexa`	`I saw that video before. Looks fun:P`
`11:21.34`	`Bounty`	`the original doodad hunt?`
`11:21.38`	`Bounty`	`its horirble lol`
`11:21.41`	`Mexa`	`Also, I noticed the crow not moving on the body directly:)`
`11:21.44`	`Bounty`	`well, now it is`
`11:21.46`	`Mexa`	`No, the other one`
`11:21.47`	`Clord`	`I got hosted even map what nobody played before and after that bug state`
`11:21.55`	`Clord`	`lol`
`11:21.57`	`Bounty`	`yeah, the original doodad hunt video`
`11:22.01`	`Mexa`	`aw`
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`11:22.10`	`Bounty`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRl24a3sdX4 original`
`11:22.19`	`Bounty`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywHOT-ONq2g new`
`11:22.29`	`Mexa`	`Yeah I saw the first, I thought it looked like fun though:P`
`11:22.33`	`Bounty`	`no more shitty camera clipping in 2`
`11:22.39`	`Bibendus`	`ccù`
`11:22.46`	`Bibendus`	`sdfsdù`
`11:22.47`	`Bounty`	`im just excited to have jump :)`
`11:22.48`	`Mexa`	`ah`
`11:22.52`	`Clord`	`assuming you are author of first doodad hunt.. you should probably delete first one not to get stuck that people play it more ^^`
`11:22.54`	`Bounty`	`jumping Trees and Toilets? yes please`
`11:22.55`	`Bibendus`	`my jump is better`
`11:22.56`	`Bibendus`	`:D`
`11:22.59`	`Bounty`	`nope`
`11:22.59`	`Clord`	`or just make those updates for old ;)`
`11:23.00`	`Bounty`	`><`
`11:23.03`	`Bounty`	`my jump > all`
`11:23.05`	`Mexa`	`Yeah about that, is the jumping linear right now?`
`11:23.15`	`Bounty`	`what do u mean by linear`
`11:23.39`	`Mexa`	`jumps upwards at a constant time, as well as moving down constant`
`11:23.49`	`Bounty`	`oh like its a set time?`
`11:23.52`	`Mexa`	`Instead of letting it be affected by gravity?`
`11:24.06`	`Bounty`	`then yes its a set time, but it looks good enough it doesnt matter lol`
`11:24.10`	`Bounty`	`u can jump over everything`
`11:24.14`	`Mexa`	`:3`
`11:24.26`	`Bounty`	`except u cant jump up a a really high cliff`
`11:24.28`	`Bounty`	`but thats obvious`
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`11:24.44`	`Bounty`	`like if something is MUCH taller then u, its a no go`
`11:24.55`	`Mexa`	`I actually noticed it, so if you feel you should care more, I'd say you should add gravity jumping.`
`11:25.10`	`Bounty`	`lol people wouldnt care either way`
`11:25.13`	`Bounty`	`its Doodad hunt`
`11:25.15`	`Bounty`	`its for the lulz`
`11:25.30`	`Mexa`	`Okelidokeli then:p`
`11:25.37`	`Bounty`	`People dont play Doodad Hunt for physics and realism`
`11:25.47`	`Bounty`	`hence why u can run around as a tree`
`11:25.53`	`Bounty`	`=P`
`11:25.55`	`Mexa`	`well duh:>`
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`11:26.07`	`Mexa`	`But that is also a point of the game`
`11:26.21`	`Mexa`	`While adding this extra smooth jumping would 'look' better`
`11:26.36`	`Bounty`	`honestly it would look about the same lol`
`11:26.38`	`Mexa`	`While not really affecting any of the gameplay mechanism`
`11:26.44`	`Bounty`	`ive seen gravity jumps`
`11:26.46`	`Bounty`	`its meh`
`11:26.52`	`Mexa`	`depends:p`
`11:27.27`	`Mexa`	`Oh yeah, I am curious how you have time for all these maps Bounty?`
`11:27.33`	`Bibendus`	`yep`
`11:27.35`	`Bibendus`	`lol`
`11:27.39`	`Bibendus`	`no work`
`11:27.39`	`Bibendus`	`:P`
`11:27.42`	`Bounty`	`^`
`11:27.49`	`Bibendus`	`am i right?`
`11:27.50`	`Bibendus`	`:P`
`11:27.52`	`Bounty`	`yeah`
`11:28.02`	`Bibendus`	`lazy bitch`
`11:28.05`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`11:28.06`	`Bibendus`	`isnt that time to search for one?`
`11:28.08`	`Mexa`	`I've been trying to sit down with the editor once in a while, only to be interrupted by studies and stuff.`
`11:28.12`	`Bounty`	`its called being laid off ><`
`11:28.26`	`Bounty`	`what u think i map ALL day?`
`11:28.34`	`Bibendus`	`it seems u do`
`11:28.34`	`Bibendus`	`:D`
`11:28.42`	`Bibendus`	`as i did in university period`
`11:28.45`	`Bounty`	`the things i make dont take long lol`
`11:29.03`	`Mexa`	`Well`
`11:29.04`	`Bibendus`	`:P`
`11:29.05`	`Bounty`	`My day includes, wife, kids, job search, mapping`
`11:29.07`	`Mexa`	`Still nice`
`11:29.10`	`Bibendus`	`not like my dk map`
`11:29.13`	`Bibendus`	`obviously`
`11:29.14`	`Bibendus`	`xD`
`11:29.22`	`Mexa`	`Oh yeah, how's that going now?`
`11:29.26`	`Bounty`	`besides, i still get paid ><`
`11:29.29`	`Bounty`	`mwahaha`
`11:29.29`	`Bibendus`	`released the vid`
`11:29.45`	`Bibendus`	`http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/project-workplace/15581-hive-keeper-dungeon-keeper-mod/?page=8`
`11:29.45`	`Mexa`	`Would you mind to link :)?`
`11:29.47`	`Bibendus`	`reply toit`
`11:29.50`	`Bibendus`	`so it goes up`
`11:29.51`	`Bibendus`	`xD`
`11:29.51`	`Mexa`	`Thanks`
`11:29.53`	`Mexa`	`lol`
`11:30.51`	`Mexa`	`Oh lol, clever`
`11:31.01`	`Mexa`	`I'd never had thought to use the nydus as a portal`
`11:31.02`	`Bibendus`	`:P`
`11:31.04`	`Bibendus`	`and comment it`
`11:31.06`	`Bibendus`	`eheh`
`11:31.10`	`Bibendus`	`it's soo obviou`
`11:31.10`	`Bibendus`	`s`
`11:31.20`	`Mexa`	`^^`
`11:31.22`	`Bibendus`	`it seems that zergs are the perfect placeholder for dk units`
`11:31.27`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Dekar (~Dekar@p4FCEBD3F.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`11:31.28`	`Mexa`	`Yeah`
`11:31.32`	`Mexa`	`And they're evil`
`11:31.40`	`Bibendus`	`and marines come to kill the hive`
`11:31.42`	`Bounty`	`u could have used wow models`
`11:31.45`	`Bibendus`	`instead of the dungeon`
`11:31.46`	`Bibendus`	`xD`
`11:31.47`	`Bounty`	`better imo =P`
`11:31.47`	`Bibendus`	`xD`
`11:31.52`	`Bibendus`	`nope`
`11:31.55`	`Bounty`	`would have been dead on`
`11:31.56`	`Bibendus`	`not going to waste space`
`11:31.56`	`Bibendus`	`on that`
`11:31.57`	`Bibendus`	`lol`
`11:32.00`	`Bounty`	`make a mod`
`11:32.02`	`Bounty`	`foo`
`11:32.09`	`Bibendus`	`oh then`
`11:32.12`	`Bibendus`	`u can add as many mods u want`
`11:32.16`	`Bibendus`	`increasing the space?`
`11:32.18`	`Bibendus`	`did u try it`
`11:32.22`	`Bounty`	`yeah`
`11:32.24`	`Mexa`	`meh, as anti as I am`
`11:32.28`	`Bibendus`	`nice`
`11:32.28`	`Mexa`	`Don't use wow models`
`11:32.31`	`Bibendus`	`maybe in the future i ll do something`
`11:32.31`	`Mexa`	`:>`
`11:32.35`	`Bibendus`	`i think that terrans are not enough`
`11:32.36`	`Bounty`	`i didnt realize u could make a mo`
`11:32.37`	`Bounty`	`mod*`
`11:32.38`	`Bibendus`	`:\|`
`11:32.40`	`Bounty`	`and just throw models`
`11:32.41`	`Bounty`	`textures`
`11:32.43`	`Bounty`	`and sound files`
`11:32.44`	`Bibendus`	`and all fucking ranged`
`11:32.45`	`Bounty`	`into itl ol`
`11:32.55`	`Bibendus`	`actually i m more interested in spell effects`
`11:32.59`	`Bibendus`	`that has less space requirement`
`11:32.59`	`Bibendus`	`:P`
`11:33.00`	`Mexa`	`You can hide scripting in mod files too I think.`
`11:33.06`	`Bibendus`	`lol`
`11:33.10`	`Bounty`	`so technically`
`11:33.12`	`Bibendus`	`but still u download the mods`
`11:33.12`	`Mexa`	`hide`
`11:33.13`	`Bibendus`	`so`
`11:33.15`	`Bibendus`	`its useless`
`11:33.15`	`Bibendus`	`:P`
`11:33.16`	`Mexa`	`yeah`
`11:33.18`	`Bounty`	`there is no real map size limit`
`11:33.18`	`Mexa`	`Exactly`
`11:33.22`	`Bibendus`	`u just need to find the files`
`11:33.23`	`Bounty`	`it just looks like theres one`
`11:33.30`	`Bibendus`	`except for the space of mods and single mod space`
`11:33.32`	`Bibendus`	`u can upload`
`11:33.34`	`Bibendus`	`oh btw`
`11:33.40`	`Bibendus`	`can u link other people mods?`
`11:33.40`	`Bounty`	`i should make a map`
`11:33.49`	`Bounty`	`give it like 30 mods, making it a 200mb file size`
`11:33.51`	`Bibendus`	`if u have them on your comp?`
`11:33.52`	`Bibendus`	`mm`
`11:33.53`	`Bounty`	`and call it DOTA`
`11:33.54`	`Mexa`	`You can make the mod private and the map public`
`11:33.55`	`Bibendus`	`u must share them`
`11:34.01`	`Bibendus`	`rly?`
`11:34.04`	`Bibendus`	`but still`
`11:34.05`	`Bounty`	`u upload them Bib`
`11:34.06`	`Mexa`	`I think so yeh`
`11:34.07`	`Bibendus`	`the private file is downloaded`
`11:34.07`	`Bounty`	`just like maps`
`11:34.17`	`Bibendus`	`its protected on triggers`
`11:34.22`	`Bibendus`	`but not on attached files`
`11:34.36`	`egod`	`my youtube video got +24 000 view in 1xdays, thx taiwan`
`11:34.39`	`Mexa`	`You could use an obfuscater on the entire thing. That's the only way right now I guess.`
`11:34.44`	`Bibendus`	`wut?`
`11:34.45`	`Bibendus`	`xD`
`11:34.47`	`Bounty`	`lol egod`
`11:34.47`	`Bibendus`	`what video is that`
`11:34.55`	`Bibendus`	`is it porn?`
`11:35.00`	`Bibendus`	`need porn!`
`11:35.02`	`Bounty`	`one of my videos for like 22k views in one day`
`11:35.06`	`egod`	`video i made with sixen my map`
`11:35.06`	`Bounty`	`i checked what site it was`
`11:35.13`	`Bounty`	`wouldnt ya know it... korean`
`11:35.21`	`Bounty`	`korean sites get INSANE amount of hits lol`
`11:35.27`	`egod`	`yep lol`
`11:35.33`	`Bibendus`	`what map is it`
`11:35.33`	`Bibendus`	`:P`
`11:35.42`	`egod`	`http://gnn.gamer.com.tw/2/51832.html`
`11:35.43`	`Bibendus`	`one time i got tonof visitors`
`11:35.58`	`Bibendus`	`tx to kotaku`
`11:36.05`	`Bibendus`	`oh diablo`
`11:36.17`	`Bibendus`	`its easy to make a map popular`
`11:36.21`	`Bibendus`	`using blizz franchise :D`
`11:36.25`	`Bounty`	`ok`
`11:36.26`	`Bibendus`	`same for the wow map`
`11:36.27`	`Bounty`	`one of my vids got`
`11:36.30`	`Bounty`	`25k views from`
`11:36.31`	`egod`	`they are like Starcraft Universe vs Diablo map`
`11:36.31`	`Bibendus`	`or world of starcraft`
`11:36.33`	`Bounty`	`sdr.kr?`
`11:36.34`	`Bounty`	`wtf?`
`11:36.35`	`Bibendus`	`y`
`11:36.36`	`Bounty`	`is that even a site?`
`11:36.37`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`11:36.42`	`egod`	`idk why`
`11:36.43`	`Bibendus`	`lol`
`11:36.57`	`egod`	`if you read comments`
`11:37.00`	`Mexa`	`Yeah, kotalu is nice spreading sc2 projects`
`11:37.05`	`egod`	`Starcraft Universe vs Egod map`
`11:37.05`	`Mexa`	`*k`
`11:37.05`	`Bibendus`	`how do i contact these guys`
`11:37.09`	`Bibendus`	`i want 24k visitors too`
`11:37.10`	`Bibendus`	`xD`
`11:37.16`	`Bibendus`	`ROFL`
`11:37.18`	`Bibendus`	`watch the homepage`
`11:37.20`	`Bounty`	`i hate when i click on the websites that linked my vid`
`11:37.23`	`Bibendus`	`there is a show pig`
`11:37.24`	`Bibendus`	`xD`
`11:37.24`	`Bounty`	`and it looks english`
`11:37.27`	`Bounty`	`but then just as its loading`
`11:37.29`	`Bounty`	`BAMF`
`11:37.32`	`Bounty`	`Korean`
`11:37.33`	`Mexa`	`Maybe join their forums and write something in taiwanese`
`11:37.50`	`Mexa`	`or korean maybe it is`
`11:38.07`	`Bounty`	`well thats the only thing i dont like about korean sites linking my vids`
`11:38.11`	`egod`	`Egod vs Xinghai`
`11:38.13`	`Bounty`	`i cant read the positive comments`
`11:38.15`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`11:38.16`	`egod`	`who is Xinghai?`
`11:38.18`	`Bounty`	`even if i translate it`
`11:38.21`	`Bounty`	`it never works right`
`11:38.38`	`Mexa`	`Bouty, there's not really anything you can do about sites mirroring youtube videos`
`11:38.38`	`Clord`	`lol`
`11:38.43`	`Mexa`	`There are plenty of those`
`11:38.50`	`Clord`	`as I study more and more japanese.... I begin to understand it more and more... but`
`11:38.53`	`Mexa`	`*Bounty`
`11:38.55`	`Bounty`	`Mexa`
`11:38.55`	`Clord`	`chinese is alien for me`
`11:38.56`	`Clord`	`XD`
`11:38.58`	`Bounty`	`i wasnt serious`
`11:39.03`	`Mexa`	`huh`
`11:39.04`	`Bounty`	`i think it was obvious i was joking ><`
`11:39.05`	`Mexa`	`lolokay`
`11:39.14`	`Bibendus`	`chrome traduction ftw`
`11:39.15`	`Bibendus`	`xD`
`11:39.18`	`egod`	`omg, they spam my e-mail adress with tons of chinise letter`
`11:39.23`	`egod`	`wtf is this website`
`11:39.26`	`Mexa`	`My bad then Bounty:p`
`11:39.26`	`Bounty`	`i said "I hate when korean sites link my videos, because i cant read the comments"`
`11:39.27`	`Bounty`	`=P`
`11:39.42`	`Clord`	`where is that joke part in it?`
`11:39.51`	`Bibendus`	`goin to eat`
`11:39.54`	`Clord`	`because sometimes they seriously do it without asking`
`11:40.05`	`Clord`	`even back in WCIII`
`11:40.07`	`Bounty`	`really? asking?`
`11:40.13`	`Bounty`	`mapster doesnt even ask`
`11:40.24`	`Clord`	`they seriously do it WITHOUT asking`
`11:40.26`	`egod`	`if you read the chinise article, they talk about my WC3 map i made in 2002....`
`11:40.30`	`Mexa`	`koreans were not a problem in wc3`
`11:40.32`	`Clord`	`^^`
`11:40.34`	`egod`	`they know a lot about me wtf`
`11:40.36`	`Bounty`	`yeah but who the hell would honestly care`
`11:40.38`	`Bounty`	`HAI YOU`
`11:40.39`	`Bounty`	`YOU`
`11:40.45`	`Bounty`	`YOU DIDNT ASK TO LINK MY VIDEO AND GIVE ME MORE VIEWS`
`11:40.51`	`Bounty`	`who would say that?`
`11:40.56`	`egod`	`idk`
`11:40.57`	`Bounty`	`=P`
`11:40.59`	`egod`	`i did nothing`
`11:41.04`	`Mexa`	`epicwar.com was a problem for wc3`
`11:41.05`	`Clord`	`lol that is unrelated`
`11:41.06`	`Clord`	`lol`
`11:41.18`	`Clord`	`I just amde statememnt how they like to do that stuff without asking`
`11:41.21`	`Mexa`	`I don't think I've seen any larger piece of dump there...`
`11:41.22`	`Clord`	`not that it is somehow negative thing`
`11:41.27`	`Bounty`	`btw`
`11:41.43`	`Bounty`	`i love how everyone thinks the jumping voices in the doodad hunt 2 vid are from Mario`
`11:41.47`	`Bounty`	`even the wife thought so`
`11:41.53`	`Bounty`	`so i slapped her`
`11:41.54`	`Mexa`	`So what are they?`
`11:42.02`	`Bounty`	`Team Fortress 2 Scout`
`11:42.12`	`Mexa`	`Oh yeah, that was what it was`
`11:42.26`	`Clord`	`expect in TF2.. scout sounds kinda different as they use those sound effects differently`
`11:43.08`	`Bounty`	`im also going to have this sound in the game, for killstreaks`
`11:43.10`	`Bounty`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPvAwM6bf0o`
`11:43.12`	`Bounty`	`=P`
`11:43.40`	`Mexa`	`lol`
`11:44.03`	`Mexa`	`Hey, this seems like an interesting sc2 mod http://www.moddb.com/mods/project-warfare`
`11:44.13`	`Mexa`	`I did almost see it was sc2`
`11:44.17`	`Mexa`	`*not`
`11:44.27`	`Clord`	`I think it is because TF2... does effects for various sound effects including scout.. or you optimized them to hell and they sound bad`
`11:44.28`	`Clord`	`XD`
`11:44.33`	`*** join/#sc2mapster grim001 (~chatzilla@c-69-246-170-145.hsd1.fl.comcast.net)`
`11:45.09`	`egod`	`Starcraft Universe vs Diablo RPG....funny lol`
`11:45.21`	`egod`	`no sense but funny`
`11:45.40`	`Mexa`	`... it's amazing by the way. I don't think I have ever met a better chat than this`
`11:46.12`	`Mexa`	`All other places have so much trolling going on..`
`11:46.20`	`grim001`	`cool, I've got a dark background for chatzilla now.`
`11:46.23`	`Clord`	`trollingstones`
`11:46.29`	`grim001`	`i am apparently obsessed with making everything have a dark background`
`11:46.50`	`Mexa`	`If you know about TheHiveworkshop, you know what I mean. If you don't you don't really need to know.`
`11:47.03`	`Clord`	`lol.. your nickname enchances such inspiration from you`
`11:47.20`	`Clord`	`hiveworkshop.. dictators base`
`11:47.32`	`Mexa`	`Dictator?`
`11:47.39`	`Clord`	`allusions man`
`11:47.59`	`Mexa`	`It has a site owner, isn't that enough proven that demoracy is not something to be needed on a forum?`
`11:48.18`	`Clord`	`it is just that they trash maps before they get chance`
`11:48.20`	`Clord`	`and other stuff`
`11:48.27`	`Clord`	`when they "approve" stuff`
`11:48.27`	`Mexa`	`You think?`
`11:48.36`	`Mexa`	`It was worse before`
`11:48.39`	`Clord`	`they bash it to hell during it and then people not even try to form own opinion`
`11:48.42`	`Clord`	`^^`
`11:48.55`	`Mexa`	`I've been there for a while:p`
`11:48.57`	`Clord`	`with their official comment/review during approval`
`11:49.13`	`Clord`	`so people not need even download your thing to form their own opinions of the matter`
`11:49.40`	`Mexa`	`What are you suggesting?`
`11:49.58`	`Mexa`	`People can vote before downloading yeah, and that's a shame if that's what you mean`
`11:50.06`	`Clord`	`you can make it even better a nd su pe awesome but that comment/review is like curse mark there for your map/mod/model thing`
`11:50.11`	`Clord`	`icons etc`
`11:50.29`	`Clord`	`damn typos`
`11:50.45`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Sevenix (pheonix@c-83-233-145-142.cust.bredband2.com)`
`11:50.46`	`Mexa`	`I guess it come and go`
`11:50.51`	`Clord`	`:)`
`11:50.53`	`Clord`	`meh`
`11:51.09`	`Mexa`	`Then again, you could be right, I have been lurking almost the entire last year on that forum`
`11:51.25`	`Mexa`	`I only drop by once and a while to look at subscribed threads.`
`11:51.36`	`Mexa`	`And be idle in the chat`
`11:51.38`	`Mexa`	`Oh well.`
`11:52.27`	`Clord`	`SCII publishing with join game system after 1.3.0 actually gonna be superior method than WCIII one`
`11:52.29`	`Clord`	`lol`
`11:52.50`	`Clord`	`in fact... for me SCII has been superior method since beta days`
`11:53.06`	`Abstruse`	`burn it all down?`
`11:53.48`	`Abstruse`	`i really hope the expansion for sc2 has a fuckload of extra models sprites and animations`
`11:53.56`	`Abstruse`	`expansions*`
`11:54.20`	`Mexa`	`Despite it being easier to host a game on wc3 and getting people to join just like that, it was always overcrowded with Dota`
`11:54.31`	`Clord`	`after years of WCIII editing and no matter work quality... I was too late to compete with other same few maps WCIII community played... SCII changed that and made me popular too.... so it feels somewhat great`
`11:54.37`	`Mexa`	`(though that have changed minorly now due to LoL and HoN)`
`11:55.00`	`Clord`	`however.... then came ghost++ gbot`
`11:55.03`	`Clord`	`bot...`
`11:55.09`	`Clord`	`I was able to get serious matches going`
`11:55.11`	`Clord`	`en masse XD`
`11:56.02`	`Clord`	`also each map saved me replay file`
`11:56.04`	`Clord`	`to check out`
`11:56.07`	`Clord`	`that was awesome :)`
`11:56.35`	`Clord`	`nothing like feedback for map when players of map are unaware that I even gonna see their match`
`11:57.05`	`Mexa`	`lol`
`11:57.20`	`Mexa`	`bots, autorefreshers, you name it`
`11:57.35`	`Clord`	`yeah`
`11:57.40`	`Mexa`	`Wow, I am such a pessimist today`
`11:57.45`	`Mexa`	`I always hated them:P`
`11:57.49`	`Clord`	`whoever says WCIII system is superior comapred to SCII system must have good medicines`
`11:57.51`	`Clord`	`lol`
`11:57.54`	`Abstruse`	`if you think about it`
`11:57.55`	`Clord`	`not really but you get the idea`
`11:58.03`	`Abstruse`	`it's actually easier to get a game going in sc1`
`11:58.11`	`Abstruse`	`than in any of it's predecessors`
`11:58.18`	`Abstruse`	`or`
`11:58.20`	`Clord`	`it is easier to get game going but harder to get it regularly played without botting`
`11:58.21`	`Abstruse`	`children`
`11:58.26`	`Abstruse`	`cuckoo!`
`11:58.38`	`Abstruse`	`yeah it is`
`11:58.42`	`Mexa`	`I wasn't around sc1 so I don't really know.`
`11:58.52`	`Clord`	`it is like in WCIII too`
`11:58.55`	`Abstruse`	`sc1 before 1.14 patch`
`11:58.59`	`Abstruse`	`was so easy to spread maps in`
`11:59.00`	`Clord`	`people not give new map chance unless you bot it`
`11:59.05`	`Abstruse`	`but everyone stole from eachother`
`11:59.51`	`Clord`	`hehe`
`12:00.04`	`Clord`	`then major problem with old style vs SCII style`
`12:00.17`	`Clord`	`SCII you at least know you don't probably play fake map`
`12:02.09`	`Clord`	`anyway blizzard's "soon" again`
`12:02.20`	`Clord`	`they told previous friday that patch goes live soon`
`12:02.21`	`Clord`	`lol`
`12:02.22`	`Mexa`	`youpp`
`12:02.33`	`Mexa`	`oh`
`12:02.42`	`Mexa`	`I hope I wont have to wait too long`
`12:02.49`	`Clord`	`maybe they like to tell seven days in advance or something`
`12:02.50`	`Mexa`	`WU usually comes later`
`12:02.53`	`Mexa`	`*EU`
`12:03.32`	`Clord`	`then I just hop to US side while waiting that EU gets patched too :)`
`12:03.48`	`Clord`	`yeah I know`
`12:03.51`	`Clord`	`ping gonna be horrible`
`12:03.52`	`Clord`	`XD`
`12:04.24`	`Mexa`	`.__`
`12:04.37`	`Mexa`	`always something`
`12:05.05`	`Mexa`	`First thing though, putting up the native galaxy on the subversion, so that we can see all changes:p`
`12:05.06`	`Clord`	`hehe... when I uploaded maps to US side with mod files`
`12:05.22`	`Clord`	`I did need to move some files between two mod files`
`12:05.27`	`Clord`	`to reduce size enough to not hit timeout`
`12:05.28`	`Clord`	`XD`
`12:05.48`	`Mexa`	`that big huh?`
`12:05.49`	`Clord`	`yet in EU side I can upload max size files easily`
`12:05.52`	`Clord`	`yeah`
`12:05.58`	`Clord`	`basically connecting to US from Finland`
`12:06.05`	`Clord`	`halves connection speed in worst cases`
`12:07.11`	`Mexa`	`oh so it's the ping that gives you timeout?`
`12:07.24`	`Mexa`	`'the'`
`12:08.03`	`Mexa`	`Hey Clord, do you recon a game called Trine?`
`12:09.51`	`Bibendus`	`is now away - Reason : Auto-Away after 30 minutes`
`12:12.47`	`Clord`	`I beated game called Trine`
`12:12.53`	`Clord`	`fun times`
`12:12.56`	`Clord`	`rather impressive game`
`12:13.00`	`Mexa`	`yeah`
`12:13.15`	`Clord`	`espicially if your hardware can handle all the candy in background`
`12:13.16`	`Clord`	`lol`
`12:13.18`	`Mexa`	`And fantastic graphics`
`12:13.23`	`Mexa`	`yep`
`12:13.28`	`Mexa`	`Did you hear about Trine 2?`
`12:13.35`	`Mexa`	`It's coming now Q2`
`12:13.37`	`Mexa`	`:)`
`12:14.05`	`Clord`	`with bigger budget`
`12:14.06`	`Clord`	`lol`
`12:14.12`	`Mexa`	`yep`
`12:14.20`	`Mexa`	`But the game will be cheaper`
`12:14.33`	`Clord`	`hehe... smart milkers`
`12:14.34`	`Mexa`	`That was one drawback of Trine, they overpriced it at first`
`12:14.58`	`Clord`	`this strkes odd but I might not buy DNF.... lol.... it is just that well... it is marketing trick prepared over decade`
`12:15.00`	`Clord`	`^^`
`12:15.01`	`Clord`	`nah`
`12:15.05`	`Clord`	`I end up buying it`
`12:15.07`	`Mexa`	`Must say, if you liked the eyecandy in the first one, you're gonna love Trine 2`
`12:15.18`	`Mexa`	`:p`
`12:15.37`	`Clord`	`nah.. in the end it was not because of graphics I finished it.... I mean at least entirely`
`12:15.52`	`Clord`	`end boss fight was one of those what some loved and some casual gamers hated`
`12:15.53`	`Clord`	`XD`
`12:15.58`	`Mexa`	`yes`
`12:16.12`	`Clord`	`some people are super slow even if game was not built to be meant to be played so`
`12:16.20`	`Clord`	`then end fight was too hard for them because of that reason XD`
`12:16.23`	`Mexa`	`But you know, Frozenbyte have learned from their mistakes in the first game`
`12:16.31`	`Mexa`	`You will be amazed of the variation now`
`12:16.39`	`Clord`	`nah... end fight rocked... it was best part of the game`
`12:16.40`	`Mexa`	`Especially in enemies and bosses and stuff`
`12:16.52`	`Mexa`	`You mean the end level?`
`12:16.56`	`Clord`	`yeah`
`12:17.00`	`Mexa`	`Sure thing`
`12:17.05`	`Clord`	`they call it end fight, end boss, final boss. last level, final level`
`12:17.07`	`Clord`	`etc etc`
`12:17.08`	`Clord`	`^^`
`12:17.15`	`Mexa`	`But I was disappointed of the abrupt ending cinematic sequence`
`12:17.45`	`Clord`	`I wonder if wizard/mage dude will actually learn to cast fireball finally.. thanks to his kids`
`12:17.46`	`Clord`	`lol`
`12:17.55`	`Mexa`	`Other than that, the entire game was an awesome platformer`
`12:18.10`	`Mexa`	`Haha, in Trine 2 it looks like he still can't;)`
`12:18.37`	`Mexa`	`http://www.gametrailers.com/video/exclusive-alluring-trine-2/711767`
`12:18.39`	`Clord`	`it was clever excuse not to make their roles overlap`
`12:18.45`	`Clord`	`if mage could have used fireball.. welll`
`12:18.51`	`Clord`	`it would have overlapped with thief`
`12:18.52`	`Clord`	`XD`
`12:19.24`	`Clord`	`in fact.. in vs multiplayer mode if there could be one`
`12:19.32`	`Clord`	`they are in kinda rock paper scissor roles`
`12:19.36`	`Clord`	`not entirely but lol ^^`
`12:19.53`	`Mexa`	`Theres multiplayer in Trine 2 :)`
`12:19.56`	`Mexa`	`Coop though`
`12:20.05`	`Mexa`	`both local and on the network`
`12:20.06`	`Clord`	`knight would own thief.. thielf would own wizard and wizard would own knight`
`12:20.11`	`Clord`	`but with higher skill levels`
`12:20.14`	`Clord`	`wizard could own both`
`12:20.15`	`Clord`	`^^`
`12:22.09`	`Mexa`	`Well anyway, that's a teaser:p If you don't like that then I don't understand how you can't.`
`12:22.41`	`Clord`	`oh yes.. Trine and Amnesia the Dark Descent is heavily finnish based work`
`12:22.44`	`Clord`	`^^`
`12:22.52`	`Clord`	`lol`
`12:22.59`	`Mexa`	`Oh Amnesia`
`12:23.15`	`Clord`	`in fact.... now they say that finland's biggest economy is gonna be making quality games`
`12:23.31`	`Clord`	`for the world`
`12:23.32`	`Clord`	`XD`
`12:23.39`	`Clord`	`as we have good track record doing so lately`
`12:23.42`	`ekcolnovkol`	`:U`
`12:23.43`	`Mexa`	`Clord, Amnesia is made by a swedish development team:P`
`12:23.49`	`Clord`	`yeah yeah`
`12:23.55`	`Clord`	`but quite few finns worked with it too`
`12:23.55`	`Clord`	`:)`
`12:23.59`	`Clord`	`that is what counts`
`12:24.09`	`Mexa`	`sure, scandinavia unite, isn't that right?`
`12:24.52`	`Clord`	`anyways it goes like this... Finland is becoming big player in world with it's games... to make good economy..... while japan is about anime/games and USA is about hollywood/games`
`12:24.53`	`Clord`	`XD`
`12:25.09`	`Clord`	`oh right`
`12:25.16`	`ekcolnovkol`	`japan makes cars..`
`12:25.17`	`Clord`	`there is still that music part`
`12:25.20`	`ekcolnovkol`	`<<`
`12:26.10`	`Clord`	`yes ekcolnovkol.. japan makes cars`
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`12:26.13`	`Clord`	`sky is blue :)`
`12:27.07`	`ekcolnovkol`	`takes a serrated knife and jams it into his own eyes`
`12:30.30`	`Clord`	`lol`
`12:30.40`	`Clord`	`yeah I know I'm being smart ass here XD`
`12:31.04`	`ekcolnovkol`	`q -q`
`12:32.32`	`Clord`	`alien language`
`12:32.37`	`Clord`	`what the hell is that?`
`12:32.42`	`ekcolnovkol`	`a face`
`12:32.44`	`Clord`	`and I mean what you just typed :)`
`12:33.00`	`ekcolnovkol`	`a face`
`12:33.04`	`Clord`	`I guess Mirc font difference makes it look bad`
`12:33.05`	`Clord`	`XD`
`12:33.15`	`ekcolnovkol`	`probably`
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`12:42.37`	`Clord`	`lol north korea... there is "library gurus" or whatever they was called if translated`
`12:43.03`	`Clord`	`north korea dude can go there and ask advice for anything`
`12:43.05`	`Clord`	`lol`
`12:43.15`	`Clord`	`they are truly pre-internet era...`
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`12:49.44`	`Mexa`	`Hey Bounty, you there?`
`12:52.35`	`Clord`	`not sure if planet gonna change name or what in "shinigami note" map`
`12:52.46`	`Clord`	`it is currently called Planet Epic but... that is because it is epicly slum`
`12:55.04`	`Bounty`	`New Doodad Hunt video =P`
`12:55.05`	`Bounty`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48VstfozD8E&feature=player_embedded`
`12:55.07`	`Bounty`	`just uploaded it`
`13:01.55`	`JademusSreg`	`I awaken.`
`13:02.15`	`Bounty`	`><`
`13:06.38`	`JManV\|Work`	`heh. made a slight tweak to my avatar :P`
`13:07.22`	`A1win`	`ha, now the repair drones can be used while the shields are active even if you're taking damage o//`
`13:07.33`	`JademusSreg`	`Hahaha`
`13:07.50`	`JademusSreg`	`That's a neat combo.`
`13:08.18`	`A1win`	`the shields don't last very long though, so it's not that op`
`13:08.33`	`A1win`	`they also have longer cooldown than the drones`
`13:09.38`	`JademusSreg`	`Using shields to strategically absorb heavy hits, this seems neat.`
`13:09.46`	`A1win`	`mm`
`13:10.09`	`JademusSreg`	`Especially against specialist enemies and boses.`
`13:10.16`	`JademusSreg`	`*bosses`
`13:10.19`	`A1win`	`or just large groups of enemies`
`13:12.21`	`JademusSreg`	`If that's modus operandi, I would very much hope for specialist enemies and bosses to break mission monotany. =)`
`13:12.32`	`Clord`	`then sacrifice shields for last ditch of effort to turn it all energy ^^`
`13:12.35`	`A1win`	`mmm...`
`13:12.58`	`A1win`	`Clord, you mean shields -> energy?`
`13:13.03`	`Clord`	`hehe yeah`
`13:13.13`	`Clord`	`conversion thing`
`13:13.27`	`A1win`	`you only have shields for like 5 seconds every 45 sec or so, so it wouldn't really work`
`13:13.39`	`Clord`	`oh yes... just like in some star trek games where you command the ship... you can really sacrifice shields for more firepower there`
`13:13.54`	`Clord`	`hehe.... yeah.. probably not`
`13:14.18`	`A1win`	`but that's a metagame aspect, you can use an engine module that gives you less shields but more energy, and so on`
`13:14.25`	`Demo`	`Jade, did anyone ever tell you happy morning?`
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`13:15.12`	`Demo`	`There are now... no known bugs on my map!`
`13:15.25`	`A1win`	`time to go find some more then eh? ;3`
`13:15.35`	`Demo`	`I lied there is one bug`
`13:15.40`	`Demo`	`but I'm not sure how to fix it`
`13:15.46`	`Demo`	`but since it isn't game breaking`
`13:15.51`	`Demo`	`I haven't put any time into it`
`13:16.22`	`Demo`	`also, you have to diliberately try to break the game to do it :(`
`13:16.31`	`JademusSreg`	`Hah.`
`13:16.43`	`JademusSreg`	`I love trying to break games.`
`13:16.54`	`Demo`	`Jade the bug is that if you end turn before a units attack is done`
`13:17.04`	`Demo`	`you can cause the arrows`
`13:17.05`	`Demo`	`to show up`
`13:17.10`	`Demo`	`after you end turn`
`13:17.19`	`Demo`	`I just realized how I can fix it though`
`13:17.33`	`Demo`	`put a Var = 1 on the end turn button`
`13:17.46`	`Demo`	`and set it to 0 any time a trigger that can't be interrupted is running`
`13:17.52`	`Demo`	`then set it back to 1 when it's done`
`13:17.58`	`Demo`	`SOUND GOOD?`
`13:18.05`	`JademusSreg`	`Sure?`
`13:18.15`	`Demo`	`is there a condition for "trigger is running"?`
`13:18.19`	`grim001`	`this fresh windows install is running faster than the other computer which is supposed to be much faster`
`13:18.25`	`Mexa`	`I'm unusual to see so many people in a chat before.`
`13:18.35`	`grim001`	`after I got finished disabling a couple dozen services and applying several registry tweaks`
`13:18.42`	`JademusSreg`	`grim, that is less than surprising.`
`13:18.45`	`JademusSreg`	`=)`
`13:18.46`	`Mexa`	`I guess sc2mapster is bigger than I thought.`
`13:18.47`	`Bounty`	`Hey guys i have a quick question for anyone that played Doodad Hunt`
`13:19.01`	`grim001`	`there are a few registry tweaks that made a huge difference`
`13:19.01`	`Bounty`	`Should i keep the ability to pick your doodad or should i make it random`
`13:19.15`	`Mexa`	`Both`
`13:19.24`	`JademusSreg`	`Make it random or use a goddamn dialog.`
`13:19.24`	`Clord`	`that one star trek space game was lol... picking best borg cube owned even organized fleets of ships ^^ in multiplayer... nothing like perma regen without need of shields`
`13:19.35`	`Bounty`	`Random could be more fun though`
`13:19.38`	`Mexa`	`You could always allow people to vote for the mode`
`13:19.42`	`Bounty`	`like, you get what you get and you make due`
`13:19.46`	`Mexa`	`eg random or select`
`13:20.00`	`Mexa`	`But yeah, I'd personally also go with random`
`13:20.13`	`JademusSreg`	`Also, randomly generate a number of "doodads" (and by that I mean units so they will apply pathing footprints) on the map.`
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`13:20.25`	`Clord`	`I think that when it comes to gameplay modes.... map should just random it for players... as it keeps variation`
`13:20.27`	`Bounty`	`i wont have to Jade`
`13:20.31`	`Bounty`	`with the design of the map`
`13:20.44`	`Bounty`	`everything will look natural and the map will be huge`
`13:20.57`	`Bounty`	`unlike the first, where it was just piles of doodads and it nothing looked natural`
`13:21.04`	`Clord`	`SCII is about different planets... you can call almost anything "natural"`
`13:21.05`	`Clord`	`XD`
`13:21.42`	`Clord`	`like that one planet in stargate what was entirely modified by those weird replicator humans`
`13:21.55`	`Ravonus`	`oh shiz`
`13:22.00`	`Ravonus`	`relicator humans`
`13:22.14`	`A1win`	`haha replicators and natural in the same sentence`
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`13:22.43`	`Ashadme`	`awesome`
`13:22.45`	`Ashadme`	`i forgot the d`
`13:22.50`	`Ashadme`	`and so mis spelt that`
`13:22.54`	`Clord`	`well with that logic... Earth is no longer look natural as we have built tons of cities etc`
`13:22.56`	`Clord`	`^^`
`13:23.10`	`grim001`	`one registry hack in particular makes a firefox window full of tabs load in about 2 seconds instead of 6 or 8`
`13:23.12`	`Clord`	`no longer look natural.... lol XD`
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`13:23.55`	`JademusSreg`	`Bounty, you underestimate human spatial memory.`
`13:24.17`	`Bounty`	`No, i just know that in TF2 nobody can memorize the maps`
`13:24.26`	`Clord`	`anyways... just make sure gameplay is good before trying to hide gameplay with prettiness... that is order of things pretty much`
`13:24.28`	`Bounty`	`because everything just looks so natural and it is HUGE`
`13:24.31`	`Demo`	`Alright well that was simple enough, all bugs fixed`
`13:24.38`	`Bounty`	`but if what you say happens`
`13:24.39`	`Demo`	`Who wants to try to break my map`
`13:24.40`	`Bounty`	`and people memorize`
`13:24.47`	`Bounty`	`then yes, ill put in a randomizer`
`13:25.08`	`JademusSreg`	`Demo, I'm busy, otherwise I would.`
`13:25.18`	`Demo`	`It's okay sir`
`13:25.43`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha`
`13:25.50`	`Demo`	`The final steps in my map I can test/debug myself, only 3-4 major things left`
`13:25.54`	`Bounty`	`I think just because of what the killstreak voice/sound is, Doodad Hunt 2 shall be epic ><`
`13:26.00`	`Demo`	`defeat/draw/win parameters`
`13:26.09`	`Demo`	`saving unit formations/selections`
`13:26.21`	`Demo`	`Unit Information`
`13:26.34`	`Demo`	`and the ability to win units!`
`13:26.36`	`Demo`	`that's it`
`13:26.47`	`Demo`	`I lied`
`13:27.12`	`Demo`	`I have to give people credit, come up with a name, and do some sort of not gay loading screen`
`13:27.17`	`Dogmai`	`~seen ontwo`
`13:27.22`	`purl`	`i haven't seen 'ontwo', Dogmai`
`13:27.22`	`Dogmai`	`~seen onetwo`
`13:27.22`	`purl`	`onetwo <ae070b69@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.7.11.105> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 2d 11h 16m 55s ago, saying: 'today'.`
`13:27.37`	`Dogmai`	`~purl bye bye`
`13:27.37`	`purl`	`no`
`13:27.48`	`Dogmai`	`~purl cya`
`13:27.49`	`purl`	`extra, extra, read all about it, cya is see you later.`
`13:27.51`	`Bounty`	`~whois Bounty`
`13:27.51`	`purl`	`hmm... bounty is a trigger wh-ore`
`13:27.57`	`Dogmai`	`~purl fuck you`
`13:27.57`	`purl`	`I've heard better pick up lines from a goat with Aspergers.`
`13:27.58`	`Bounty`	`thats still there?`
`13:28.00`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`13:28.06`	`Dogmai`	`~whois dogmai`
`13:28.06`	`purl`	`i guess dogmai is my dog and he bites`
`13:28.12`	`Bounty`	`~whois Sixen`
`13:28.12`	`purl`	`sixen is, like, a chat gem?`
`13:28.18`	`Bounty`	`~whois Jademussreg`
`13:28.22`	`Bounty`	`aww`
`13:28.24`	`Bounty`	`=P`
`13:28.30`	`Mexa`	`preprogrammed, no?`
`13:28.32`	`Bounty`	`~whois JManV`
`13:28.40`	`JademusSreg`	`" bounty is a trigger wh-ore"`
`13:28.43`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha.`
`13:28.47`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`13:29.13`	`JademusSreg`	`You didn't capitalize Sreg.`
`13:29.13`	`A1win`	`could catalog set be used to change the portrait model of an actor?`
`13:29.24`	`Bounty`	`~whois JademusSreg`
`13:29.29`	`JademusSreg`	`A1, I doubt it.`
`13:29.44`	`JademusSreg`	`Some values are read-only.`
`13:29.47`	`A1win`	`mm`
`13:30.32`	`JademusSreg`	`I wonder if actor events could do it.`
`13:31.47`	`JademusSreg`	`If you script the portrait frame entirely, you'll have full control.`
`13:33.39`	`JademusSreg`	`By that I mean disable the portrait panel and replace it with a dialog and display portraits in it.`
`13:34.18`	`A1win`	`true :x`
`13:34.27`	`A1win`	`then it'd have lag, though`
`13:34.31`	`JademusSreg`	`=\`
`13:34.43`	`JademusSreg`	`Wakka wakka`
`13:35.06`	`JManV\|Work`	`sup`
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`13:35.23`	`JademusSreg`	`Why do you think it would "have lag"?`
`13:36.04`	`A1win`	`because the query first travels over the net before the trigger can change it ;p`
`13:36.31`	`JademusSreg`	`Is the responsiveness of portrait animations a high priority?`
`13:36.37`	`A1win`	`;D maybe not`
`13:37.14`	`Mexa`	`portrait animations should be local`
`13:37.19`	`Mexa`	`They depend on your computer`
`13:37.22`	`Mexa`	`Like actors`
`13:37.36`	`A1win`	`yeah was just talking about changing the model via trigger`
`13:38.00`	`JademusSreg`	`Doing it via catalog for a player is a great idea.`
`13:38.04`	`JademusSreg`	`If it will work.`
`13:38.08`	`JademusSreg`	`Needs to be tested.`
`13:38.12`	`A1win`	`it didn't, if I did it right`
`13:38.19`	`JademusSreg`	`I'm guessing, though, that it is a read only value.`
`13:38.37`	`JademusSreg`	`Show me your catalog script. =D`
`13:38.51`	`A1win`	`CatalogFieldValueSet(c_gameCatalogActor, "SpartanCompany", "CActorUnit_PortraitModel", EventPlayer(), "AdjutantPortrait");`
`13:39.02`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha`
`13:39.09`	`JademusSreg`	`Remove CActorUnit_`
`13:39.20`	`A1win`	`ah :P`
`13:39.31`	`JademusSreg`	`I know what the GUI tells you; it's wrong.`
`13:39.42`	`A1win`	`nah it needs to be written as text`
`13:40.05`	`A1win`	`mmh`
`13:40.12`	`A1win`	`now it didn't give an error but nothing happened`
`13:40.21`	`A1win`	`not sure if that portrait name is right, checking...`
`13:41.07`	`A1win`	`seems to be...`
`13:42.26`	`A1win`	`I guess it doesn't give an error if the value is read only?`
`13:42.29`	`A1win`	`oh`
`13:42.31`	`A1win`	`it worked`
`13:42.33`	`A1win`	`D:`
`13:42.36`	`JademusSreg`	`Hahahaha`
`13:42.37`	`A1win`	`just had to reselect the unit`
`13:42.43`	`JademusSreg`	`Easy to script.`
`13:42.47`	`JademusSreg`	`Congrats.`
`13:42.56`	`A1win`	`except that`
`13:43.02`	`JademusSreg`	`Script a select and deselect.`
`13:43.02`	`A1win`	`if I select another player's unit`
`13:43.06`	`A1win`	`will it also have the same portrait?`
`13:43.11`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes.`
`13:43.14`	`A1win`	`I don't need to change it on-the-fly`
`13:43.28`	`JademusSreg`	`They will share the same portrait.`
`13:43.30`	`A1win`	`I mean during a mission where you can see the portrait`
`13:43.34`	`A1win`	`aww`
`13:43.36`	`JademusSreg`	`If they are the same actor.`
`13:43.41`	`A1win`	`so I'd need separate unit for each player?`
`13:43.49`	`JademusSreg`	`Actor.`
`13:43.54`	`A1win`	`or that`
`13:44.01`	`A1win`	`*or just that`
`13:44.11`	`JManV\|Work`	`don't you need a seperate unit for each player for the custom CC's anyways?`
`13:44.20`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes.`
`13:44.22`	`JademusSreg`	`=D`
`13:44.28`	`A1win`	`CC's?`
`13:44.31`	`JManV\|Work`	`command cards`
`13:44.50`	`JManV\|Work`	`what you were talking about last night`
`13:44.51`	`A1win`	`no because I can change it for one player only with catalogs`
`13:45.05`	`JManV\|Work`	`the link said you needed a seperate unit`
`13:45.12`	`JademusSreg`	`I didn't realize you were utilizing catalogs so extensively.`
`13:45.16`	`JademusSreg`	`Neato.`
`13:45.20`	`A1win`	`why would I?`
`13:45.34`	`A1win`	`only the player i set to would get the changes`
`13:45.53`	`A1win`	`wasn't the link talking about different unit types`
`13:45.57`	`A1win`	`like different kinds of heroes`
`13:46.29`	`JManV\|Work`	`if it works without seperate units, great`
`13:46.33`	`JManV\|Work`	`just wasn't sure`
`13:46.40`	`A1win`	`well I don't see why it wouldn't :P`
`13:47.02`	`A1win`	`all it would do is change the button and the target ability of the CC slot for player x`
`13:47.24`	`A1win`	`if that player was able to control another player's hero, then he'd see the wrong abilities`
`13:47.28`	`A1win`	`but they won't be`
`13:47.41`	`JManV\|Work`	`i don't think you can do that`
`13:47.51`	`A1win`	`mmh?`
`13:47.57`	`JManV\|Work`	`i think you have to keep the ability, and change the button and effect of the ability`
`13:48.05`	`JManV\|Work`	`i don't think you can modify the CC via catalogs`
`13:48.28`	`JManV\|Work`	`hmmm... guess you have to change the button on the CC, don't you`
`13:48.50`	`A1win`	`that's the only thing that needs to be changed`
`13:49.01`	`grim001`	`now to start redownloading SC2`
`13:49.09`	`JademusSreg`	`Do we have confirmation command cards can be changed via catalog?`
`13:49.25`	`A1win`	`not really but everyone keeps suggesting it`
`13:49.48`	`A1win`	`but if they can't, I don't see how any of this would be possible anyway`
`13:50.05`	`A1win`	`oh right could also just change the buttons and the abilities`
`13:50.17`	`A1win`	`which would require more catalog setting`
`13:50.31`	`A1win`	`ah well I'll try something ;p`
`13:50.34`	`JManV\|Work`	`i'll leave the experimentation to you :P`
`13:50.45`	`JManV\|Work`	`but i'd be curious to know what you find`
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`13:59.10`	`A1win`	`might help if I switched from Actor to Unit`
`13:59.27`	`Mexa`	`Hey guys, did you notice that modulus in sc2 doesn't work with negative numbers?`
`14:00.09`	`Mexa`	`neither does the % sign when coding nor the native ModF or ModI works properly :/`
`14:00.11`	`JManV\|Work`	`never tried.`
`14:00.15`	`JManV\|Work`	`how so?`
`14:01.02`	`Mexa`	`well, I was using it before to 'normalise' angles so that they got between the interval of -180 and 180 as that is the standard range in sc2`
`14:01.34`	`Mexa`	`But you need an extra function for it, checking with an if statement to make it right and then make some adjustments.`
`14:01.36`	`JManV\|Work`	`it normalizes them, doesn't it?`
`14:01.59`	`Mexa`	`It gives the wrong angle for negative values`
`14:02.09`	`Mexa`	`That's the problem`
`14:02.28`	`JManV\|Work`	`example?`
`14:02.45`	`*** join/#sc2mapster allenmelon (~amin@97-93-49-23.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com)`
`14:02.49`	`Mexa`	`Say I add two angles together, and they happend to be -270 or something, using modulus would fail`
`14:02.58`	`A1win`	`does the catalog trigger give an error if the field is read only?`
`14:03.03`	`Mexa`	`As it doesn't count negative values properly`
`14:03.04`	`JademusSreg`	`Mexa, that's pretty fucked up.`
`14:03.17`	`Mexa`	`yeah`
`14:03.27`	`Mexa`	`It's a minor annoying thing:P`
`14:03.47`	`JManV\|Work`	`how is it wrong tho?`
`14:03.48`	`JademusSreg`	`Someone report it immediately!`
`14:03.54`	`JManV\|Work`	`like, what's it doing?`
`14:04.05`	`Mexa`	`well`
`14:04.15`	`Mexa`	`say I have an angle of 370`
`14:04.26`	`Mexa`	`And i do 370 mod 360`
`14:04.32`	`Mexa`	`it would result in a value 10`
`14:04.46`	`Mexa`	`as 370 degrees is the same thing as 10 degrees`
`14:05.07`	`Mexa`	`when using trigonometry that is`
`14:05.17`	`JManV\|Work`	`-370 mod 360 != -10 ?`
`14:05.29`	`Mexa`	`no`
`14:05.34`	`A1win`	`does that look about right: CatalogFieldValueSet(c_gameCatalogUnit, "SpartanCompany", "CardLayouts[0].LayoutButtons[7].Row", EventPlayer(), "2");`
`14:05.35`	`Mexa`	`that would be 350`
`14:05.47`	`JManV\|Work`	`use calculator`
`14:05.53`	`A1win`	`to change the 8th button row on the 1st command card`
`14:05.54`	`JManV\|Work`	`-370 mod 360 = -10`
`14:06.20`	`Mexa`	`No`
`14:06.21`	`Mexa`	`http://www.google.se/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=-370+mod+360`
`14:06.29`	`Mexa`	`Like i was saying`
`14:06.32`	`Mexa`	`it is 350`
`14:06.44`	`JManV\|Work`	`calculator is returning -10`
`14:06.49`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Nash\|327 (~nn@81-234-225-23-no35.tbcn.telia.com)`
`14:07.07`	`Mexa`	`maybe it doesn't count the - sign in consideration`
`14:07.28`	`Mexa`	`The calculator is probably failing in the same way as sc2 does`
`14:07.39`	`Mexa`	`That depends though`
`14:08.19`	`Mexa`	`Well anyway, that is the problem`
`14:08.37`	`JManV\|Work`	`it seems to be dependant`
`14:09.10`	`Mexa`	`I can ensure you that -370 mod 360 is 350.`
`14:09.38`	`JManV\|Work`	`When either a or n are negative, this naive definition breaks down and many programming languages differ in how these values are defined`
`14:09.46`	`Mexa`	`http://www.google.se/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=-370+mod+360`
`14:09.52`	`Mexa`	`that is giving -10 like you did`
`14:10.04`	`grim001`	`http://www.google.com/search?q=-370+mod+360`
`14:10.11`	`A1win`	`meh if I'm doing this right, can't change the fields for command card entries`
`14:10.15`	`JManV\|Work`	`it's giving me 350`
`14:10.34`	`JManV\|Work`	`even the button, a1?`
`14:10.44`	`JManV\|Work`	`you might have to change the button icon :(`
`14:10.53`	`JManV\|Work`	`and just use dummy buttons`
`14:11.04`	`JManV\|Work`	`changing the button hotkey is another story entirely, however`
`14:11.19`	`A1win`	`mmh right >_>`
`14:11.32`	`JManV\|Work`	`i'm not sure how that works`
`14:11.50`	`Mexa`	`Well JManV, since ModF actually inputs a value which you yourself can say be negative, and the outcome is still not right, it surely shows that the function is flawed`
`14:12.10`	`grim001`	`just create your own function, bliz code often sucks horribly.`
`14:12.17`	`JManV\|Work`	`not, flawed - language dependant`
`14:12.19`	`Mexa`	`I know grim, I did that :)`
`14:12.42`	`JManV\|Work`	`there's not a clear definition on which way languages should do it`
`14:12.43`	`grim001`	`the definition of modulus as a mathematical concept shouldn't depend on the programming language you're using`
`14:12.51`	`JManV\|Work`	`theoretically, yes`
`14:12.52`	`Mexa`	`JManV but it is no logic that you can't use negative values for the native modulus`
`14:13.13`	`Mexa`	`They could make it work, just by adding extra parantheses`
`14:13.15`	`JManV\|Work`	`wikipedia says: "When either a or n are negative, this naive definition breaks down and many programming languages differ in how these values are defined"`
`14:13.19`	`Mexa`	`or a simple check`
`14:13.23`	`Mexa`	`if it's negative`
`14:13.35`	`JManV\|Work`	`clearly even calculator and the google calculator do it different`
`14:13.47`	`Mexa`	`Try wolframalpha`
`14:13.49`	`JademusSreg`	`Disturbing.`
`14:14.01`	`JademusSreg`	`http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=-370+mod+360&asynchronous=false&equal=Submit`
`14:14.09`	`JademusSreg`	`I happened to already be there.`
`14:14.20`	`Nash\|327`	`What's this about modulo?`
`14:14.56`	`Mexa`	`I was mentioning that sc2 galaxy code when dealing with negative values, neither % or Mod natives are broken.`
`14:15.07`	`Mexa`	`In my opinion they are broken anyway`
`14:15.26`	`Nash\|327`	`Modulo often is with negative values.`
`14:15.29`	`A1win`	`mmh actually I'm not even sure if it's a good idea to dynamically move the buttons, it would be more intuitive for the player if the buttons for the same abilities were always in the same spot... maybe I should just prevent certain addons to be attached at the same time, and have their buttons in the same slot`
`14:15.52`	`JademusSreg`	`A1, that sounds less than awesome.`
`14:16.13`	`JManV\|Work`	`i'm not sure it's clearly mathematically definied`
`14:16.21`	`JademusSreg`	`Just add all the abilities and make their buttons surrpressed until the requirement is fulfilled. I wonder if that would work.`
`14:16.34`	`Nash\|327`	`It does -(X mod n) rather than -X mod n in many languages D;`
`14:16.40`	`Mexa`	`yeah`
`14:17.01`	`A1win`	`JademusSreg, yeah... just can't equip addons that give abilities that have their buttons in the same slot`
`14:17.03`	`Mexa`	`but even if you do (-x) mod n in galaxy, it breaks`
`14:17.08`	`A1win`	`and there's a limit of 32 buttons per command card`
`14:17.18`	`A1win`	`but I doubt I need more abilities than that`
`14:17.38`	`JademusSreg`	`A1, you'd be surprised what you can do with command cards.`
`14:17.40`	`JManV\|Work`	`the mathematical definition of modulo is completely different that the computer programming defintion`
`14:17.46`	`A1win`	`hmm?`
`14:17.54`	`Mexa`	`Is it?`
`14:18.02`	`JademusSreg`	`Gotta be willing to bend the rules. For instance, the editor imposes an arbitrary limit of 4 command cards.`
`14:18.21`	`JademusSreg`	`XML supports far more.`
`14:18.33`	`Nash\|327`	`modulo is a mathematical operation :G`
`14:18.33`	`Mexa`	`if I do 10 mod 8 mathematically, wouldn't that become 2?`
`14:18.39`	`A1win`	`oh`
`14:18.42`	`JManV\|Work`	`yeah, it's used for wrap-around elements like clocks, and determining congruency of numbers across a modulus`
`14:18.46`	`JManV\|Work`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modular_arithmetic`
`14:18.47`	`Mexa`	`And as well that is what the result is in programming`
`14:18.48`	`A1win`	`you think it'd be possible to add more buttons by editing the xml?`
`14:18.58`	`JademusSreg`	`Possibly. Worth a try. =)`
`14:19.14`	`A1win`	`maybe at the point when I actually need that many :P`
`14:19.21`	`JademusSreg`	`Also, if I recall, the editor already supports multiple buttons per slot.`
`14:19.27`	`A1win`	`it does`
`14:19.38`	`JademusSreg`	`How many abilities do you have planned?`
`14:19.39`	`JManV\|Work`	`its not even written the same`
`14:19.40`	`A1win`	`and that's what I was going to do anyway`
`14:19.57`	`A1win`	`don't have may planned yet`
`14:19.59`	`Nash\|327`	`Just make a function with if result < 0 then result = result + n :P`
`14:20.03`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha`
`14:20.16`	`A1win`	`*many`
`14:20.43`	`JManV\|Work`	`isn't -370 the same as -10, anyways?`
`14:21.13`	`A1win`	`which is the same as 350 in angles`
`14:21.19`	`Mexa`	`indeed`
`14:21.26`	`JManV\|Work`	`so what's the problem?`
`14:21.27`	`Nash\|327`	`in mobulo 360 they are all 350 :G`
`14:21.28`	`A1win`	`but if you want the angle between 0 and 360, it shouldn't give negative values`
`14:21.32`	`A1win`	`however`
`14:21.41`	`A1win`	`modulo is not designed just for converting to angles`
`14:22.26`	`A1win`	`err`
`14:22.27`	`Mexa`	`JManV the problem in the first place was that -370 mod 360 isn't -10 but 350`
`14:22.46`	`Mexa`	`but the program gave the result -10`
`14:23.01`	`JManV\|Work`	`but according to the mathematical definition, all three are congruent modulo`
`14:23.02`	`A1win`	`JManV\|Work, what does your calculator say -10 mod 360 is?`
`14:23.19`	`JManV\|Work`	`-10`
`14:23.28`	`A1win`	`kk`
`14:23.35`	`Mexa`	`that should be 350 also`
`14:23.44`	`A1win`	`depends on the definition`
`14:23.45`	`Nash\|327`	`congruent doesn't mean they are all equally valid answers to the mod operation`
`14:23.46`	`Mexa`	`But what if you encapsulate it with parantheses?`
`14:23.52`	`JManV\|Work`	`i guess i don't understand the problem. it's still the right angle`
`14:24.04`	`A1win`	`JManV\|Work, did you try (-10) mod 360`
`14:24.05`	`Nash\|327`	`there are infinite values which are congruent`
`14:24.26`	`Mexa`	`JManV say you add a bunch of vectors together, you would want consistency in what angle "normalisation" they are in`
`14:24.28`	`JManV\|Work`	`modulo as a programmin construct is detached from the mathematically definiton, and as such, is not clearly defined for negative values`
`14:24.41`	`Mexa`	`All values given from native functions in galaxy are given between -180 and 180`
`14:24.51`	`Mexa`	`So it's easier to have that as boundaries`
`14:25.00`	`JManV\|Work`	`-10 is between -180 and 180....`
`14:25.05`	`Mexa`	`Yes`
`14:25.11`	`A1win`	`but -10 - 180 is not`
`14:25.15`	`Mexa`	`But we weren't talking about -180 and 180`
`14:25.24`	`Mexa`	`We were talking about between 0 and 360`
`14:25.31`	`Mexa`	`I was just taking an example:P`
`14:25.46`	`JManV\|Work`	`anyways, it's not broken`
`14:25.53`	`JManV\|Work`	`it's just not clearly defined`
`14:26.00`	`Nash\|327`	`ie broken`
`14:26.02`	`A1win`	`it is clearly defined`
`14:26.07`	`JManV\|Work`	`where?`
`14:26.12`	`A1win`	`in the language`
`14:26.18`	`JManV\|Work`	`i mean globally`
`14:26.23`	`JManV\|Work`	`for all programming language`
`14:26.23`	`A1win`	`it always returns the same result`
`14:26.27`	`Nash\|327`	`just like addition that isn't clearly defined for negative values would be broken`
`14:26.38`	`JManV\|Work`	`there is no consistant definiton for the modulos of negative values`
`14:26.38`	`A1win`	`yeah, but it is clearly defined in galaxy :P it's just not convenient for the purpose you're using it for`
`14:26.40`	`Nash\|327`	`addition is defined in mathematics for negative values`
`14:26.54`	`Nash\|327`	`not implementing it properly is laziness or stupidity`
`14:26.56`	`Nash\|327`	`D_D`
`14:26.56`	`JManV\|Work`	`so jsut check if it's less than 0 and add 360 if it is?`
`14:27.05`	`grim001`	`I had an idea for an ORPG for SC2 that wouldn't suck`
`14:27.10`	`Mexa`	`that would be a lazy solution`
`14:27.18`	`Mexa`	`What if I have an angle of 720?`
`14:27.19`	`grim001`	`but I'll probably never make that kind of map..`
`14:27.21`	`Mexa`	`*had`
`14:27.25`	`JManV\|Work`	`you're making an incorrect assumption that there is a "properly"`
`14:27.26`	`JademusSreg`	`grim, I am skeptical.`
`14:27.32`	`A1win`	`Mexa, first you do mod 360 for it obviously`
`14:27.32`	`Mexa`	`Not saying I would ever get that high angle but:P`
`14:27.39`	`JManV\|Work`	`yeah, mod first`
`14:27.40`	`Mexa`	`I know I know :)`
`14:27.43`	`JManV\|Work`	`then add 360`
`14:27.49`	`JManV\|Work`	`if it's less than 0`
`14:28.04`	`Nash\|327`	`Let's ignore all mathematical definitions!`
`14:28.05`	`Mexa`	`so, you're suggesting a while loop until it reaches the right boundaries?`
`14:28.09`	`Nash\|327`	`2 + ninja = cake`
`14:28.23`	`A1win`	`or do ((x mod 360) + 360) mod 360 ;D`
`14:28.36`	`grim001`	`I'm not even a fan of ORPGs, but it would be possible to circumvent all of the design flaws of that genre and even provide a satisfying experience for 30 to 60 minute play sessions with a team`
`14:28.38`	`JManV\|Work`	`no, not at all mexa`
`14:28.52`	`Nash\|327`	`I'm going to make a programming language where you can add booleans to strings`
`14:28.56`	`JManV\|Work`	`m = (x mod 360); if (m < 0) m += 360;`
`14:28.58`	`A1win`	`what's an ORPG? :<`
`14:28.58`	`JademusSreg`	`grim, I'd like to hear more.`
`14:29.10`	`Mexa`	`oh`
`14:29.11`	`Mexa`	`right`
`14:29.40`	`A1win`	`JManV\|Work, same as ((x mod 360) + 360) mod 360 ;>`
`14:29.55`	`grim001`	`alright, let's take this open world with various areas an a main centrally located town`
`14:29.58`	`JManV\|Work`	`or really, if (m < 0) m += 180; else m -= 180;`
`14:30.21`	`Mexa`	`what if m is -760 for instance?`
`14:30.54`	`A1win`	`Mexa, it gets within the right boundaries by doing modulo on it first ;p`
`14:31.02`	`grim001`	`the primary mechanic which makes it into a "play session" instead of a grinding session would be the existence of dungeons, which provide a semi-randomized challenge with a big payoff at the end, and scale the rewards/difficulty to the number of players involved`
`14:31.05`	`Mexa`	`rightright`
`14:31.08`	`JManV\|Work`	`-760 mod 360 = -40 (according to galaxy)`
`14:31.29`	`A1win`	`((-760 mod 360) + 360) mod 360 = 310 ;o`
`14:31.30`	`JademusSreg`	`Sounds like you're independently inventing Diablo, grim./`
`14:31.53`	`JademusSreg`	`Or rather, Diablo 3.`
`14:32.01`	`JademusSreg`	`Diablo 2 was a complete fucking grind.`
`14:32.02`	`A1win`	`grim001, that's exactly what i'm doing with this mech rpg :P`
`14:32.17`	`Mexa`	`Always loved how modulus can confuse me a very tiny bit when I thought I had control over it in the first place.`
`14:32.23`	`Nash\|327`	`RPGs often are`
`14:32.27`	`grim001`	`one big issue is that higher level players would not want to interact with lower level players, therefore: make the difference between the highest level and the lowest level in terms of raw power not so huge, instead, most of the progression comes from item crafting using resources/rewards dropped from dungeons.`
`14:32.41`	`A1win`	`grim001, also what I had planned`
`14:32.46`	`Mexa`	`Anyways, thanks for the help with that :)`
`14:32.50`	`A1win`	`stop reinventing my idea :<`
`14:32.53`	`JademusSreg`	`Let's forget the antiquated level system all together, please. =D`
`14:32.54`	`A1win`	`:P`
`14:32.57`	`JManV\|Work`	`as long as its consitant, you can work with it`
`14:33.00`	`grim001`	`furthermore, high level players will want to group with low level players just to boost up the number of people in the dungeon and increase the reward quantity/quality`
`14:33.13`	`JManV\|Work`	`it would be much worse if it where indeterminate for negative numbers :P`
`14:33.18`	`A1win`	`and also I don't have levels in this, just better modules for the mechs`
`14:33.21`	`Nash\|327`	`No levels? BUT OMG BIGGER NUMBARS PLZ`
`14:33.38`	`JademusSreg`	`Levels are lame.`
`14:33.41`	`A1win`	`oh and the "contacts" which define what missions you have`
`14:33.45`	`Nash\|327`	`Indeed.`
`14:33.59`	`Nash\|327`	`I want to make an RPG without levels or loot.`
`14:34.02`	`grim001`	`level isn't a bad thing if it's simply a sort of gated progression that hits its cap after about 1/3 of the total amount of time you'd be interested in playing the game, and doesn't serve to separate players. it's just a sort of hook to keep you going until you understand the true reward mechanics.`
`14:34.17`	`JademusSreg`	`I can see wanting to use them to manage complexity in a pencil&paper RPG, but that shit is lame when you have decent computational power at your disposal.`
`14:34.32`	`A1win`	`grim001, that's a bad design :P`
`14:34.47`	`JManV\|Work`	`= level whore.`
`14:34.47`	`grim001`	`why do you say that A1`
`14:35.03`	`A1win`	`you can have progression without levels`
`14:35.32`	`grim001`	`and why do you say levels would be a bad thing in the first place? you have to make a lot of assumptions for that to be true`
`14:35.36`	`A1win`	`level is just a number, it's not very interesting`
`14:35.42`	`Nash\|327`	`Instead of levels and loot, make challenging gameplay which require teamwork and builds, and give players ability to assign and reassign points all they like`
`14:35.55`	`JManV\|Work`	`yeah, it's the abilities that i want`
`14:35.58`	`JManV\|Work`	`moar power!`
`14:35.59`	`JademusSreg`	`WoD got away with not using levels, but then would-be LARPers probably care more about the thespian ambitions poured into their characters than the beautiful simplicity of the mechanics.`
`14:36.18`	`JManV\|Work`	`and you still got more dots`
`14:36.26`	`JManV\|Work`	`and more dots = accomplishing more things`
`14:36.29`	`JManV\|Work`	`mmm... dots.`
`14:36.39`	`A1win`	`grim001, instead of gaining levels, you gain better stuff (either items or just access to new levels or so)`
`14:37.04`	`grim001`	`why would you completely eliminate levels? there are many examples of games that use both approaches at the same time`
`14:37.15`	`Nash\|327`	`Levels are so silly anyway`
`14:37.20`	`grim001`	`the problem is that the level determines far too much of how powerful you are`
`14:37.20`	`Nash\|327`	`You level up, enemies level up`
`14:37.25`	`A1win`	`if you only have 1-3 levels, what's the point of having them at all?`
`14:37.35`	`Nash\|327`	`just standing in the same place with the illusion of moving forward.`
`14:37.37`	`Demo`	`Yeah, I mean why build up when we haven't even covered the surface of the earth?`
`14:37.48`	`grim001`	`I'm not going to keep answering your questions if you just riddle them with assumptions, why would you think there'd only be 3 levels?`
`14:38.09`	`JademusSreg`	`3 levels was hyperbolic, I think.`
`14:38.19`	`A1win`	`oh I probably misread`
`14:38.21`	`grim001`	`but anyway, like I said, levels aren't even an important part of the concept`
`14:38.53`	`grim001`	`the main point is, you have to have some reward mechanic which keeps players coming back for multiple play sessions and rewards people for working together`
`14:38.53`	`Mexa`	`modulo(s) { if s < 0 then return 180 - ( (-s + 180) % 360 ) else return (s + 180) % 360 - 180 } ah I found this one from an old chat which I used a while back`
`14:38.53`	`JManV\|Work`	`i'm not having enemies level up with the players, personally`
`14:38.53`	`Nash\|327`	`I just want a bunch of ability points I can reassign at my leisure in order to find a build that works well for me`
`14:38.58`	`Mexa`	`Seems to do the same thing :)`
`14:39.03`	`JManV\|Work`	`i'm doing the FF thing of having enemies level up by area`
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`14:39.35`	`A1win`	`grim001, but I'm not assuming anything, I'm comparing your idea to mine, and the only difference so far seems to be that your idea has levels and mine doesn't`
`14:40.14`	`grim001`	`there's limited bandwidth to explain something via chat, especially when you have to answer annoying questions every 2 seconds`
`14:40.21`	`A1win`	`:x`
`14:40.38`	`Nash\|327`	`Get on skype you muppets`
`14:40.42`	`Nash\|327`	`D;`
`14:41.25`	`JManV\|Work`	`skype is for people.`
`14:41.28`	`grim001`	`anyway, I've seen a lot of crappy ORPGs that have giant maps and 200 different shoddy areas just to keep you moving forward as you level up`
`14:41.36`	`A1win`	`the central hub in my map is the "base" which works the same way as Hyperion in SC2 singleplayer, so basically a 3D background with a 2D interface, there are available missions (dungeons) which you can enter quickly, and you are taken on the mission by a dropship`
`14:41.49`	`A1win`	`you can abort the mission at any time, but you can't return there`
`14:41.58`	`A1win`	`aborting makes the dropship take you back to the base`
`14:42.08`	`grim001`	`it makes more sense for the evolution of the gameplay to reuse existing areas and mechanics that evolve over time, somehow integrating the reward mechanic that keeps people coming back`
`14:42.19`	`JManV\|Work`	`mine will not be a crappy ORPG, i assure you`
`14:42.22`	`A1win`	`in base, you can attach new modules to your mech, replacing old ones (hull, engine, weapons, addons)`
`14:42.35`	`Nash\|327`	`No, it makes more sense for lazy devs.`
`14:42.42`	`Nash\|327`	`Not for good gameplay.`
`14:43.05`	`JManV\|Work`	`yeah, seeing the same thing over and over gets boring`
`14:43.12`	`A1win`	`mm, but SC2 maps also have limited space, so that's actually a good idea for an orpg in SC2`
`14:43.27`	`JademusSreg`	`Procedural generation. =D`
`14:43.27`	`JManV\|Work`	`plus you lose out on other elements like mazes or puzzles`
`14:43.34`	`A1win`	`JademusSreg, yeah I was just getting to that :P`
`14:43.35`	`JademusSreg`	`Reused a space.`
`14:43.52`	`JademusSreg`	`I spoiled it. =D`
`14:43.55`	`A1win`	`hehe`
`14:43.56`	`Nash\|327`	`Get rid of levels, get rid of loot, make missions that are challenging and require planning out proper builds, and it will be fun and not grind.`
`14:43.56`	`A1win`	`anyway`
`14:44.15`	`grim001`	`So, let's say there's an "easy" version of a dungeon, and most of the monsters there do a specific type of damage, but also happen to drop a certain resource which lets you craft items with resistance against that damage type.`
`14:44.46`	`A1win`	`instead of getting levels on the missions, the players get more money, more loot, and (in some way I haven't yet decided) make new "contacts" that work as mission givers, so that after you've been doing difficulty n missions for a while, you meet a new contact who starts giving you n+1 difficulty missions`
`14:44.46`	`JademusSreg`	`Nash, at that point you have Warhammer 40k PvE.`
`14:44.48`	`grim001`	`After you run that dungeon a few times with a full party, you should have enough resources to craft a resistant suit of gear, which would enable you to have a much easier time doing that dungeon on the next difficulty level up.`
`14:44.54`	`JManV\|Work`	`procedural generation can't really allow mazes or puzzles, either, unless its some fairly advanced procedural generation`
`14:45.06`	`Nash\|327`	`Dawn of War 2?`
`14:45.18`	`A1win`	`JManV\|Work, mazes are easy`
`14:45.19`	`JManV\|Work`	`i could never get into that`
`14:45.30`	`JManV\|Work`	`i missed the DoW 1 gameplay :(`
`14:45.41`	`Nash\|327`	`I didn't.`
`14:45.42`	`A1win`	`I mean mazes are easy to generate`
`14:45.54`	`JManV\|Work`	`<3 DoW`
`14:45.59`	`JManV\|Work`	`dynamically?`
`14:46.13`	`A1win`	`yeah`
`14:46.14`	`Nash\|327`	`Turtle in your base, build units until pop cap is full, send with attack move at enemy base`
`14:46.21`	`JademusSreg`	`Yeah. Mazes aren't that hard.`
`14:46.22`	`Nash\|327`	`repeat until victory`
`14:46.39`	`JManV\|Work`	`the pop cap was a little low`
`14:46.55`	`JademusSreg`	`It's been done in wc3 many times over, and in sc2 a bit.`
`14:47.10`	`A1win`	`1) start at entrance, crawl a route to exit 2) pick a random uncrawled node, crawl a route to an existing route 3) repeat from 2 until all nodes are crawled`
`14:47.15`	`Nash\|327`	`Well, enough for 6 Space Marine squads or something, and a number of tanks`
`14:47.25`	`JademusSreg`	`And it's been done in pretty much every programming language ever, I'm certain.`
`14:47.35`	`JManV\|Work`	`DoW was also very tech oriented`
`14:47.42`	`JManV\|Work`	`if you didn't tech in time, you died`
`14:47.48`	`grim001`	`Anyway, take the gem system from Diablo 2 as a comparison. In town, you'll be able to combine the "chipped resources" into "flawed resources" and so on, although there's no reason that it needs to stop at a specific level of crafting. The geometrically increasing level of resources required would put an effective soft cap on gear power level.`
`14:47.52`	`JManV\|Work`	`T1 could not stand up against T2 - at all`
`14:48.24`	`JManV\|Work`	`likewise T2 couldn't stand up against T3`
`14:48.28`	`Clord`	`hehe.. DoW.... in campaign.. space marine squadrons was like gods on battlefield... expect when artillery came heavily in ^^`
`14:48.49`	`Nash\|327`	`Well, they weren't big on soft counters.`
`14:49.00`	`JManV\|Work`	`still, there was a difference between T1 space marines and T3`
`14:49.05`	`grim001`	`And let's say you could find certain recipes in the gameworld that called for "X amount of this resource, Y amount of this resource, Z amount of this resource" to get some fun weapon that does something crazy, like shoot lightning bolts. Then you'll have yourself a clear goal to get to the needed level of progression in the various areas that drop the needed components.`
`14:49.06`	`JManV\|Work`	`because of upgrades`
`14:49.07`	`Nash\|327`	`Either you get a rocket launcher or you get fucked by vehicles.`
`14:49.14`	`JademusSreg`	`Pathing in DoW1 was complete bullshit, hated it.`
`14:49.29`	`JManV\|Work`	`exactly, vehicles come at T2, and there were no anti-vehicle weapons in T1`
`14:49.48`	`JManV\|Work`	`just machine guns basically`
`14:49.51`	`JManV\|Work`	`which did dick to tanks`
`14:50.11`	`JademusSreg`	`Rightfully so.`
`14:50.20`	`Nash\|327`	`Which is why you turtle in base and upgrade EVERYTHING`
`14:50.23`	`JManV\|Work`	`so one dreadnaught could just rip through your entire base if you didn't tech in time`
`14:50.34`	`JademusSreg`	`I remember going IG rush, so funny, so lame.`
`14:50.40`	`Nash\|327`	`Literally EVERYTHING`
`14:50.50`	`JManV\|Work`	`yeah`
`14:50.54`	`Nash\|327`	`Use the "find next research" button`
`14:51.04`	`Nash\|327`	`:G`
`14:51.05`	`JManV\|Work`	`i thought space marines were pretty imba online, too, personally`
`14:51.19`	`JManV\|Work`	`as a race`
`14:51.31`	`A1win`	`hmm I can divide my addons into sub-categories: can have only one addon of each sub-category, and each sub-category has its own command card slot -> no overlapping buttons`
`14:51.35`	`Clord`	`space marines in first DoW was pretty much... elite force`
`14:51.36`	`JademusSreg`	`Firestorm Over Kronos was amusing for a bit.`
`14:51.38`	`JManV\|Work`	`didn't play the last expansion online tho`
`14:51.39`	`Clord`	`few in numbers`
`14:51.45`	`Nash\|327`	`I liked Terminators too, but they needed some anti-vehicle backup`
`14:51.45`	`Clord`	`but damn kick ass guys`
`14:51.45`	`A1win`	`*can equip only one of each sub-category`
`14:51.46`	`Clord`	`^^`
`14:52.03`	`JManV\|Work`	`i'd still like to see a DoW mod tho :P`
`14:52.18`	`JademusSreg`	`Firestorm Over Kronos was amusing for a bit.`
`14:52.21`	`JademusSreg`	`I repeat.`
`14:52.29`	`Clord`	`first DoW works still fine and I can guess it is still active`
`14:52.34`	`JademusSreg`	`Or did you mean a SC2 dow mod?`
`14:52.39`	`JademusSreg`	`=)`
`14:52.47`	`JManV\|Work`	`yeah`
`14:52.55`	`JManV\|Work`	`DoW in sc2`
`14:53.01`	`A1win`	`oh and then addons that don't give any abilities can be in a separate category, and any number of those can be equipped`
`14:53.12`	`Nash\|327`	`APOTHECARY READY!`
`14:53.14`	`Clord`	`DoW II became something inspired from WCIII.. an bit at least.... it has just that feel there with hero focused gameplay`
`14:53.16`	`JManV\|Work`	`marines, choas marine, and tyranid would be easy to implement`
`14:53.34`	`JManV\|Work`	`eldar and tau would be quite possible`
`14:53.35`	`Nash\|327`	`Protoss = Tau`
`14:53.50`	`JManV\|Work`	`eldar would have some protoss elements as well, imo`
`14:53.51`	`Nash\|327`	`except for the Kroot stuff`
`14:53.53`	`Nash\|327`	`:G`
`14:53.54`	`JademusSreg`	`Jman, you're going to convert the models?`
`14:54.13`	`JManV\|Work`	`i don't think you need to`
`14:54.20`	`JademusSreg`	`Art assets or gtfo.`
`14:54.29`	`JManV\|Work`	`war pig = space marine, marauder = terminator`
`14:54.30`	`Nash\|327`	`Yeah, but Eldar units don't look very Protossy`
`14:54.32`	`JManV\|Work`	`something like that`
`14:54.37`	`JademusSreg`	`Seriously, half assed conversaions are unacceptable.`
`14:54.37`	`JManV\|Work`	`true`
`14:54.47`	`JademusSreg`	`*conversions`
`14:54.48`	`A1win`	`I really need some cool model for my mechs`
`14:55.08`	`JManV\|Work`	`animated models are tough to get tho`
`14:55.12`	`A1win`	`with attachments`
`14:55.18`	`JademusSreg`	`Too bad!`
`14:55.34`	`Nash\|327`	`You just volunteered.`
`14:55.35`	`JManV\|Work`	`anyways, i'm not gonna make the game (per se), i'd just like to see it`
`14:55.43`	`grim001`	`time to go eat.`
`14:55.53`	`JManV\|Work`	`and i'm sure i'd play it`
`14:56.01`	`JManV\|Work`	`and if it were decent, i'd prolly play it a lot`
`14:56.15`	`JademusSreg`	`I know, but it either needs to be done right or not done at all. And that includes art assets.`
`14:56.16`	`Nash\|327`	`You could just play Dawn of War, though...`
`14:56.18`	`Nash\|327`	`D_D`
`14:56.23`	`JManV\|Work`	`i could`
`14:56.25`	`JademusSreg`	`Indeed.`
`14:56.36`	`JManV\|Work`	`i'd have to reinstall it tho :P`
`14:56.43`	`JManV\|Work`	`that sounds like a lot of work ;)`
`14:56.47`	`JademusSreg`	`Hah.`
`14:56.57`	`JManV\|Work`	`nah, i'm pretty bored of it actually`
`14:56.59`	`Nash\|327`	`Let's remake a game inside another game!`
`14:57.06`	`A1win`	`would it be possible to create a new mesh over the existing goliath animations?`
`14:57.09`	`JManV\|Work`	`i've beat campaign on brutal with like 4-5 different races`
`14:57.27`	`Nash\|327`	`Because it's much more fun that way, instead of playing the actual game!`
`14:57.29`	`Nash\|327`	`D;`
`14:57.31`	`JManV\|Work`	`nash: i'm already doing that, kinda :P`
`14:57.31`	`A1win`	`or would it be sensible if it was possible :P`
`14:57.43`	`JademusSreg`	`Let's make World of WoWCraft, a game where you play as someone playing World of Warcraft.`
`14:57.46`	`JManV\|Work`	`although i'm changing all the units`
`14:57.49`	`Clord`	`my shinigami note map is cruel btw... that domination ability works to other players too.... it is gg for that player unless kira is killed ^^`
`14:57.53`	`JManV\|Work`	`which is a pretty big change`
`14:58.03`	`JManV\|Work`	`hehehehe`
`14:58.05`	`JManV\|Work`	`onion ftw`
`14:58.12`	`JManV\|Work`	`you've seen that video, right?`
`14:58.13`	`JademusSreg`	`Clord, I'm pointing hate lasers at your map.`
`14:58.16`	`A1win`	`JademusSreg, http://xkcd.com/244/`
`14:58.36`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha`
`14:59.08`	`Clord`	`why.. my map innocent`
`14:59.09`	`Clord`	`XD`
`14:59.24`	`A1win`	`err... where was I with the map`
`14:59.30`	`JademusSreg`	`Ripping off ip. =\`
`14:59.50`	`JManV\|Work`	`in case someone hasn't seen it - this is epic: http://www.theonion.com/video/warcraft-sequel-lets-gamers-play-a-character-playi,14240/`
`15:00.17`	`A1win`	`stream not found`
`15:00.21`	`JManV\|Work`	`hold on`
`15:00.26`	`JManV\|Work`	`glitching for me too :(`
`15:00.30`	`JademusSreg`	`Hadn't seen it.`
`15:00.54`	`Clord`	`jamedussreg... I don't mention death note anywhre inside map because it is obvious for those who know the death note`
`15:01.10`	`JManV\|Work`	`really?`
`15:01.16`	`Clord`	`JademusSreg......`
`15:01.21`	`Clord`	`I should use tab more :)`
`15:01.23`	`JManV\|Work`	`i can't find the video :(`
`15:01.24`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha`
`15:01.26`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo (4d15687d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.21.104.125)`
`15:01.41`	`Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo`	`Hi there`
`15:01.46`	`JademusSreg`	`Hi.`
`15:01.52`	`Tobin1`	`"many who say they spend hundreds of hours playing the game every weak" LOL`
`15:01.59`	`Tobin1`	`week*`
`15:02.00`	`Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo`	`are struct methods actually available in Galaxy?`
`15:02.01`	`Clord`	`plus I have played some japanese NDS games about death note... well two was made XD`
`15:02.16`	`Clord`	`hi`
`15:02.39`	`JManV\|Work`	`it looks like the video got pulled :(*`
`15:02.43`	`JManV\|Work`	`that is a damn shame`
`15:02.58`	`Clord`	`I wonder if this upcoming death note 2011 movie will also spawn some rushed game`
`15:03.09`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes.`
`15:03.21`	`JademusSreg`	`Na, no.`
`15:03.29`	`JademusSreg`	`Structs are not classes.`
`15:03.32`	`Clord`	`it is standard in hollywood nowadays almost to make game with movie`
`15:03.53`	`JademusSreg`	`I watched the video, no trouble.`
`15:03.54`	`JManV\|Work`	`wonder if there were legal issues. seemed like a perfectly legal parody to me`
`15:04.00`	`Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo`	`Ah well still thinking that way duo to vJASS :/`
`15:04.02`	`JManV\|Work`	`really, ok?`
`15:04.04`	`Nash\|327`	`ARTICLES, MOTHERFUCKER, DO YOU USE THEM?`
`15:04.09`	`Nash\|327`	`D:`
`15:04.39`	`Clord`	`btw... there is that list show what units you have killed (their random names)..... but it adds nothing to gameplay`
`15:04.40`	`Clord`	`^^`
`15:04.49`	`Clord`	`expect maybe immersion`
`15:05.23`	`Nash\|327`	`It should give you 3 second snippets from their bios.`
`15:05.52`	`JademusSreg`	`Hah.`
`15:06.00`	`JManV\|Work`	`this is probably the most awesome onion video ever: http://www.theonion.com/video/apple-introduces-revolutionary-new-laptop-with-no,14299/`
`15:06.01`	`Clord`	`lol.. insanity meter ^^`
`15:06.07`	`Clord`	`killing too much too fast`
`15:06.09`	`JademusSreg`	`And they should all be stickpersons.`
`15:06.57`	`Clord`	`anyways I could turn those structures to do something instead being just crate storages`
`15:07.05`	`Clord`	`some ways to make mineral ^^`
`15:08.10`	`Clord`	`ooh now I know`
`15:08.14`	`Clord`	`enterable vehicles`
`15:08.26`	`Clord`	`but that would be lame`
`15:08.28`	`JademusSreg`	`Make it to scale.`
`15:09.25`	`Clord`	`if could use anime pictures for icons etc it would rock`
`15:09.26`	`Clord`	`^^`
`15:09.31`	`Clord`	`without pissing of blizzard XD`
`15:09.33`	`Nash\|327`	`anime sucks`
`15:10.13`	`JademusSreg`	`I'm hating the map so much right now. =)`
`15:10.26`	`Nash\|327`	`One good thing about the Japan disaster is that the anime production will go down.`
`15:10.33`	`Nash\|327`	`:G`
`15:10.38`	`JManV\|Work`	`what map?`
`15:11.14`	`JManV\|Work`	`really? you think japanese people can stop fantasizing about teenage cartoons with giant boobs?`
`15:11.14`	`JademusSreg`	`Clord's Death Note map.`
`15:11.28`	`Nash\|327`	`WEll, they can if they're dead.`
`15:11.40`	`JManV\|Work`	`fair enuf. :)`
`15:11.47`	`Clord`	`this one... http://forums.sc2mapster.com/player-zone/map-feedback/19736-shinigami-note-eu-us/#p1`
`15:11.51`	`JManV\|Work`	`but you'd have to kill all of them`
`15:12.00`	`JManV\|Work`	`we tried once, but they surrended first :P`
`15:12.01`	`Nash\|327`	`Challenge accepted!`
`15:12.20`	`JManV\|Work`	`surrendered`
`15:12.56`	`Clord`	`get two of your cities destryoed by nuclear blast and don't try to surrender after few seconds of thinking about it XD`
`15:13.10`	`JManV\|Work`	`well, we didn't try to kill them all so much as we sent them a message in ALL CAPS :P`
`15:13.31`	`JademusSreg`	`I may need to make a map called The Worst Map Ever.`
`15:13.32`	`JManV\|Work`	`"STOP IT, A-HOLES!"`
`15:13.35`	`Nash\|327`	`Well, they surrendered first, then got nuked.`
`15:13.43`	`JManV\|Work`	`that was the message :P`
`15:13.50`	`Clord`	`hehe.. Nash's twisted history lesson`
`15:13.59`	`Clord`	`reminds of north korea`
`15:14.01`	`Clord`	`where they won it all`
`15:14.11`	`JManV\|Work`	`heh`
`15:14.24`	`JManV\|Work`	`north korea is just plain twisted`
`15:14.40`	`Clord`	`north korea has one internet access place in entire country and even that is heavily censored`
`15:14.55`	`Nash\|327`	`It just wasn't unconditional and Russia was moving to take Japan.`
`15:15.10`	`Nash\|327`	`So NUKE EM!`
`15:15.16`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Demo (4304c874@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.4.200.116)`
`15:15.21`	`Nash\|327`	`BEFORE ZEE RUSSIANS GET THERE`
`15:15.30`	`Clord`	`actually those nukes ended world war`
`15:15.31`	`Clord`	`lol`
`15:15.34`	`Clord`	`world war II`
`15:15.36`	`Demo`	`Does anyone remember where the banks from testing a map are saved?`
`15:15.37`	`Clord`	`to be precise`
`15:15.44`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes, Demo.`
`15:15.49`	`Demo`	`nvm got it`
`15:15.53`	`Clord`	`llol`
`15:15.55`	`Clord`	`lol`
`15:15.56`	`Demo`	`I found that sexy bastard`
`15:16.13`	`Demo`	`I need to find out`
`15:16.21`	`Demo`	`how to convert stuff to string and vice versa`
`15:16.29`	`JManV\|Work`	`starcode`
`15:16.41`	`Demo`	`Is there a starcode for GUI!?`
`15:16.53`	`JManV\|Work`	`starcode is all GUI`
`15:16.54`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha`
`15:16.56`	`Demo`	`I will go look it up`
`15:16.57`	`*** join/#sc2mapster TeddyTeddy (~Teddy@ppp-71-137-215-172.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net)`
`15:17.01`	`Demo`	`I tried using it once before`
`15:17.08`	`Demo`	`but I couldn't get it to load properly`
`15:17.09`	`JManV\|Work`	`http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/trigger-libraries/5091-library-starcode-v1-4/`
`15:17.42`	`JManV\|Work`	`i also uploaded an unfinished map that uses starcode heavily: http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/triggers/19713-asset-triggers-unfinished-map-rpg-wars/`
`15:17.54`	`JManV\|Work`	`might be a good example`
`15:18.07`	`JManV\|Work`	`the save/load functionality of that map is fully functional`
`15:18.07`	`Demo`	`See that's my problem`
`15:18.28`	`Demo`	`is that I am literally going to have lets see here... 3 x 5 x 55 values saved`
`15:18.32`	`Mexa`	`Oh wow, I should definitly use that sort of bank compression for say: a ghosting car mode`
`15:18.43`	`Demo`	`+ - 10`
`15:18.49`	`JManV\|Work`	`no problem`
`15:19.01`	`JManV\|Work`	`integers, primarily?`
`15:19.01`	`Demo`	`I'm putting the lib in now...`
`15:19.05`	`Demo`	`yes all integers`
`15:19.14`	`Demo`	`I convert complex crap like types of units to integers`
`15:19.15`	`JManV\|Work`	`that's not too bad`
`15:19.24`	`JManV\|Work`	`yeah, i did the same`
`15:19.28`	`Demo`	`like roaches are 1`
`15:19.42`	`JManV\|Work`	`you can only get so many integers per key with starcode tho`
`15:19.51`	`Demo`	`the points in which they are placed are labeled 1-55`
`15:19.57`	`JManV\|Work`	`you need a new key once you reach about 60 characters`
`15:19.58`	`Clord`	`12 year old is in korean master league playing SCII`
`15:19.58`	`Clord`	`lol`
`15:20.01`	`Clord`	`what the hell`
`15:20.03`	`Clord`	`^^`
`15:20.07`	`Clord`	`but then again`
`15:20.14`	`Clord`	`there was that one weird kid who is master FPS player too`
`15:20.22`	`Clord`	`and was only like nine`
`15:20.25`	`Clord`	`or something`
`15:20.27`	`JManV\|Work`	`in the demo map, i do this with units, saving i think 7 units per line`
`15:20.28`	`Demo`	`Lil' Poison?`
`15:20.39`	`Clord`	`I'm bad with names lol`
`15:20.39`	`JManV\|Work`	`and i save the unit type, experience, hp and energy`
`15:20.46`	`Nash\|327`	`Age is pretty irrelevant in non-physical matters.`
`15:21.08`	`Clord`	`sure... baby in next door is making nuclear bomb?`
`15:21.12`	`Demo`	`if 60 characters is the max`
`15:21.18`	`Clord`	`I must say`
`15:21.24`	`Clord`	`it is amazing that so young can stand so high`
`15:21.25`	`JManV\|Work`	`per key`
`15:21.26`	`Clord`	`=)`
`15:21.29`	`Nash\|327`	`Clord, you're so ignorant.`
`15:21.35`	`Demo`	`then I guess I'll be looking forward to 2 keys per thing I need saved`
`15:21.49`	`Demo`	`rather than 55 individuals`
`15:22.24`	`JManV\|Work`	`so, ~30 keys?`
`15:22.58`	`*** join/#sc2mapster RipperRoo (~RipperRoo@p57903688.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`15:23.21`	`Clord`	`I assume that I can switch bank file for player on fly? with just opening another what causes previous to be ignored?`
`15:23.22`	`Clord`	`^^`
`15:23.28`	`Clord`	`would be very handy indeed`
`15:23.37`	`Nash\|327`	`I'm never surprised by such things. I guess I have higher expectations of humanity that people who spend their life in and around mediocrity.`
`15:23.43`	`JManV\|Work`	`you can preload multiples per player`
`15:23.46`	`JManV\|Work`	`and only load 1`
`15:24.12`	`JManV\|Work`	`i did this with 3 banks before, but it would only load the one for your race`
`15:24.12`	`Demo`	`hmm says 100 is the limit`
`15:24.24`	`JManV\|Work`	`starcode documentation?`
`15:24.26`	`Demo`	`could possibly get down to 1key per`
`15:24.29`	`Clord`	`Nash... if you mean money.. then that is quite ignorant take`
`15:24.35`	`Demo`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:24.50`	`JManV\|Work`	`you can try up to 100, i had trouble past about 70`
`15:24.59`	`Demo`	`MM key :)`
`15:25.04`	`JManV\|Work`	`you'll know if you run into the problem`
`15:25.13`	`JManV\|Work`	`it will say "script execution took too long"`
`15:25.13`	`Demo`	`Is there any point to encrypting anymore?`
`15:25.25`	`JManV\|Work`	`yes`
`15:25.44`	`JManV\|Work`	`multiple levels of protection is your best bet`
`15:26.05`	`Nash\|327`	`Sigh.`
`15:26.08`	`JManV\|Work`	`every single level is individually hackable`
`15:26.26`	`Demo`	`From what everyone was talking about not to recently, banks are not hackable due to the hash + username`
`15:26.34`	`*** join/#sc2mapster zeta3 (~Zeta@CPEc0c1c013ce86-CM0013718d3546.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)`
`15:26.47`	`JManV\|Work`	`i've heard of signatures being hacked`
`15:26.56`	`Demo`	`heard`
`15:26.58`	`JManV\|Work`	`i've also heard of signatures returning false negatives`
`15:27.04`	`Clord`	`signatures usually give false positives and rest bank file for legitimate users`
`15:27.05`	`JManV\|Work`	`yes, neither are confirmed`
`15:27.06`	`Clord`	`at least in my case`
`15:27.19`	`Clord`	`resets`
`15:27.28`	`JManV\|Work`	`isn't that a false negative?`
`15:27.33`	`Clord`	`XD`
`15:27.37`	`Clord`	`I think it is false positive`
`15:27.45`	`JManV\|Work`	`irrelevant`
`15:27.58`	`Clord`	`it is like when virus software warns from file what in fact has no virus`
`15:28.01`	`Clord`	`it would be false psoitive`
`15:28.01`	`JManV\|Work`	`ok, i think the false part is actually confirmed`
`15:28.05`	`*** join/#sc2mapster wOlfLinG (~wOlfLinG@cpc3-nrte21-2-0-cust330.8-4.cable.virginmedia.com)`
`15:28.12`	`Clord`	`positive...... damn typos`
`15:28.24`	`JManV\|Work`	`onetwo was complaining about the same thing`
`15:28.30`	`JManV\|Work`	`i'm not sure i want to use it`
`15:28.34`	`JManV\|Work`	`until they fix it`
`15:28.46`	`Demo`	`yeah he has a thing posted on his opening image about it`
`15:29.24`	`A1win`	`I think here's the model I want for my mechs: http://www.pagog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/kitteh_mech.jpg`
`15:29.24`	`JManV\|Work`	`it would be devastating if banks got blanked incorrectly for my game`
`15:29.34`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Zoxc (Zoxc@ti0128a380-dhcp0824.bb.online.no)`
`15:29.34`	`Demo`	`yeah.. I'm thinking the same thing`
`15:29.43`	`Demo`	`but at the same time`
`15:29.50`	`JManV\|Work`	`i have a mech made out of legos :P`
`15:29.52`	`Clord`	`yeah I got mass whine when I used signature system`
`15:29.52`	`Demo`	`it would be just as annoying if it were hacked`
`15:29.58`	`Clord`	`I did need take it down`
`15:30.00`	`JManV\|Work`	`it actually fires the missiles`
`15:30.06`	`Demo`	`annoying for me`
`15:30.08`	`Demo`	`not for them`
`15:30.12`	`Demo`	`I'll go without for now`
`15:30.27`	`Clord`	`but I got idea... make it check 100 times per player in loop and if it even once succesfully check bank file`
`15:30.30`	`Clord`	`it is not reseted`
`15:30.35`	`JManV\|Work`	`i wonder how aware of the problem blizzard is`
`15:30.57`	`Clord`	`they should be.. otherwise they would be rather ignorant`
`15:31.11`	`Clord`	`then again patch notes for 1.3.0 not say anything about fixing it`
`15:31.26`	`JManV\|Work`	`that's what makes me wonder`
`15:31.34`	`JManV\|Work`	`seems like it would be high priority`
`15:32.20`	`Clord`	`this ignorance reminds me.. i just realized that SCII has apple model`
`15:32.32`	`JademusSreg`	`I wonder if campaign banks use signatures now.`
`15:32.52`	`JManV\|Work`	`and a soccer ball :P`
`15:32.59`	`Clord`	`hehe.. I have checked`
`15:33.01`	`Clord`	`they don't`
`15:33.25`	`Clord`	`theorically you could cheat your achievements for your account`
`15:33.44`	`JademusSreg`	`It's been done, yup.`
`15:34.08`	`Clord`	`anyways... this apple would make great healing thing :)`
`15:34.20`	`JademusSreg`	`I modified the bank for all tech, for laughs.`
`15:34.40`	`JManV\|Work`	`i don't see a thread on blizz forums about bank signatures, at least not on the first page`
`15:35.22`	`JademusSreg`	`I played the game's campaign before buying it. =D`
`15:35.43`	`JademusSreg`	`So after buying, I decided to make it more interesting by enabling all tech.`
`15:35.56`	`Shadoooow`	`http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9876544/CLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEFFFFFSSSSSSS%2011xSK.rar`
`15:35.59`	`Shadoooow`	`OWLY!`
`15:36.28`	`Clord`	`you sparked my curiosity`
`15:36.38`	`Clord`	`sparkled... whatever`
`15:36.46`	`JademusSreg`	`=D`
`15:37.34`	`JManV\|Work`	`this is the only thread i can find anywhere on blizz'`
`15:37.37`	`JManV\|Work`	`forums: http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/1965572202`
`15:37.46`	`JManV\|Work`	`about bank signature failures`
`15:38.55`	`Clord`	`I assume there is some event to detect when item is picked up from ground... lol`
`15:38.57`	`Clord`	`gotta check :)`
`15:41.12`	`JManV\|Work`	`did someone report it just now?`
`15:42.06`	`JademusSreg`	`?`
`15:42.28`	`JManV\|Work`	`http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/1965572202`
`15:42.47`	`JManV\|Work`	`i didn't notice the biohazard icon a few minutes ago`
`15:44.02`	`Clord`	`ooh campaign does pickup with ability with this.. as suspected :)`
`15:44.05`	`Clord`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:44.09`	`ekcolnovkol`	`v4.0 is live`
`15:44.51`	`JManV\|Work`	`v4.0?`
`15:46.18`	`JademusSreg`	`Look at this impressive fecal gem: http://www.youtube.com/summitscreeningroom#p/c/0/mnJegNyAb1w`
`15:48.01`	`JManV\|Work`	`i saw a preview for that last week`
`15:48.36`	`JManV\|Work`	`reminds me of quantum leep`
`15:49.05`	`JManV\|Work`	`except he can't change things`
`15:49.32`	`JManV\|Work`	`so, i guess quantum leap meets 12 monkeys`
`15:49.55`	`JManV\|Work`	`except it doesn't have a cool protagonist like scott bacula or bruce willis`
`15:50.16`	`JManV\|Work`	`it has broke-back jyllenhal`
`15:50.24`	`JManV\|Work`	`boo`
`15:51.06`	`JademusSreg`	`I saw the name of the film and knew instantly it would be terrible.`
`15:51.23`	`JManV\|Work`	`i'll watch it`
`15:51.30`	`JManV\|Work`	`prolly download it`
`15:51.36`	`JManV\|Work`	`definitely won't pay for it`
`15:51.54`	`JManV\|Work`	`morbid curiosity, mostly :P`
`15:52.20`	`JManV\|Work`	`prince of persia actually wasn't horrible`
`15:52.29`	`JManV\|Work`	`it wasn't particularly good, either tho`
`15:52.39`	`JademusSreg`	`It's not him with which I take issue.`
`15:53.14`	`JManV\|Work`	`its kinda of a overdone plotline`
`15:53.28`	`JademusSreg`	`It's called Source Code. It's about a program that migically does some impossible shit for an arbitrary length of time.`
`15:53.30`	`JademusSreg`	`Done.`
`15:53.53`	`JManV\|Work`	`no suspension of disbelief for you, huh?`
`15:54.39`	`JManV\|Work`	`i mean, quantum leap was pretty absurd, but quite fun`
`15:55.00`	`JManV\|Work`	`12 monkeys, on the other hand, had a very well thought-out story`
`15:55.17`	`JManV\|Work`	`so i see where you might be coming from`
`15:55.38`	`JManV\|Work`	`seems like it takes itself to seriously, while most likely being completely absurd`
`15:56.02`	`JManV\|Work`	`time for lunch`
`15:56.14`	`JademusSreg`	`I suspend disbelief where magic is explicitly involved.`
`15:56.33`	`JManV\|Fooood`	`oh, they actually say its magical?`
`15:56.39`	`JManV\|Fooood`	`that's preposturous`
`15:56.45`	`JademusSreg`	`No, which is why it is fail.`
`15:57.03`	`JManV\|Fooood`	`i'll still watch it :P`
`15:57.10`	`JManV\|Fooood`	`but again, i'll never pay for it`
`15:58.35`	`JademusSreg`	`Impossible technology not presented in a comedic way (Venture Brothers super science) or as sincere speculative science fiction is crap.`
`16:04.40`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Bibendus (~IceChat7@ip-35.net-82-216-209.lyon.rev.numericable.fr)`
`16:07.51`	`Clord`	`map places 10 apples and when apple is eaten aka picked up... it places more`
`16:08.00`	`Clord`	`now I need some food for energy :)`
`16:08.52`	`A1win`	`whee first multiplayer test of the mech map went surprisingly painlessly... the only bug that was found wasn't related to multiple players xP`
`16:11.55`	`Clord`	`nice`
`16:12.39`	`Clord`	`hehe I made apples to restore health while carrots restore energy to use abilities`
`16:12.42`	`Clord`	`like sprinting`
`16:14.17`	`Clord`	`I have theory why only re-publishing with same game variant gonna break 1.3.0..... they probably automatically change all existing game variants in their servers....`
`16:14.25`	`Clord`	`so people not get shitload broken stuff`
`16:16.13`	`Motive`	`http://forums.sc2mapster.com/general/general-chat/19665-websites-packing-our-maps/?page=2#p24`
`16:16.15`	`Motive`	`WHO'S WITH ME?111`
`16:16.16`	`Motive`	`:D`
`16:17.20`	`Clord`	`for the brotherhood!`
`16:17.36`	`Mexa`	`mm.. it feels awfully refreshing to play through the campaign on casual beating everything in the way :D`
`16:17.56`	`Clord`	`aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh! rodrigo has infested you`
`16:18.04`	`Motive`	`OH GOD`
`16:18.05`	`Motive`	`THE HORROR`
`16:19.20`	`Clord`	`lol`
`16:19.29`	`Clord`	`GET TO DA CHOPPA!`
`16:19.30`	`Clord`	`XD`
`16:19.57`	`Motive`	`but seriously`
`16:20.10`	`Motive`	`who argues over something they have no damn clue about?`
`16:20.11`	`Motive`	`:\|`
`16:20.19`	`Clord`	`I think I was going to comment yesterday about that thread or was it today`
`16:20.27`	`Clord`	`when it was still only one page lenght`
`16:20.33`	`Motive`	`xD`
`16:20.48`	`Clord`	`it was something about piracy...`
`16:20.57`	`Tobin1`	`Would anyone be up for walking me through making an aimed projectile that fires when left clicked? (I learn faster & memorize better when led along) I couldn't find a tut on this.`
`16:21.04`	`Motive`	`Piracy just bugs me.`
`16:21.09`	`Motive`	`Not because I care if you torrent your games.`
`16:21.17`	`Motive`	`But because you insist it's perfectly okay and should be 100% legal.`
`16:21.18`	`Motive`	`Lol`
`16:21.46`	`Clord`	`piracy... you are not claiming that you own game code or did even make it.. you are "testing the game if it is any good" but in case of taking map and claiming it to itself in eyes of others... that is just plain bastard and bad ethics`
`16:22.00`	`Motive`	`If you don't like it, can't afford it, don't want to agree to DRM, whatever, then don't buy it, or just torrent it, but don't try to justify it later.`
`16:22.33`	`Motive`	`If you think games are overpriced, don't buy them, and if enough people don't buy them, then clearly they WERE overpriced, and the price will go down to market equilibrium.`
`16:22.44`	`Motive`	`But market equilibrium has been $50-60 for a very long time and will probably continue to be there for a while`
`16:22.50`	`Motive`	`because people are willing to pay.`
`16:22.57`	`Clord`	`hehe so true.... Spore was one of most pirated games in recent history`
`16:23.16`	`JademusSreg`	`I tend to torrent a game and test it to decide if I want to buy it. =D`
`16:23.26`	`Clord`	`like dragon age 2`
`16:23.26`	`Tobin1`	`Weren't COD Black Ops and SC2 the most pirated games last year or something?`
`16:23.46`	`Motive`	`I usually try to buy my stuff if I can.`
`16:23.46`	`Tobin1`	`I'm pretty sure they were top 5`
`16:23.53`	`Motive`	`I have Hulu Plus/Netflix though so that covers most movies/TV shows.`
`16:23.57`	`grim001_afk`	`i return`
`16:24.00`	`Motive`	`IF not, rent the movie on iTunes for cheap`
`16:24.11`	`Motive`	`If I can't find it on any digital distribution network, then and only then will I torrent as a last resort`
`16:24.12`	`Motive`	`Lol`
`16:24.29`	`Clord`	`so you feel bad from torrenting? then you probably shouldn't do it`
`16:24.31`	`JademusSreg`	`I made the mistake of buying NWN2 before testing it.`
`16:24.34`	`Motive`	`prolly`
`16:24.34`	`JademusSreg`	`Never again.`
`16:24.42`	`Motive`	`but I'm not gonna claim my torrenting was 100% legal and hurt no one`
`16:24.50`	`Motive`	`it robbed the industry of my $3 or whatever`
`16:24.50`	`grim001`	`NWN2 was almost unplayable when it first came out`
`16:24.55`	`Motive`	`small? yes, but still wrong.`
`16:25.34`	`Clord`	`nah... fighting some rights for yourself is nothing bad to feel about.. it keeps companies in check not to try rip you off`
`16:25.56`	`Motive`	`I even buy my music on iTunes. Lol`
`16:25.59`	`Clord`	`actually I feel good about that companies can't rip me off as easily like before internet times`
`16:26.02`	`Motive`	`But that's 'cause I can afford $0.99/$1.29 a pop`
`16:26.22`	`JademusSreg`	`NWN2 is still unplayable.`
`16:26.58`	`Tobin1`	`Alright I guess thats a no on the skill shot walkthrough, can someone at least tell me what type of ability to use?`
`16:26.58`	`JademusSreg`	`And it only uses a single fucking core, which it jacks to 100%.`
`16:27.04`	`JademusSreg`	`Ridiculous.`
`16:27.15`	`JademusSreg`	`What is a skill shot?`
`16:27.21`	`JademusSreg`	`Make sense! =)`
`16:27.21`	`Tobin1`	`An aimed projectile`
`16:27.37`	`Motive`	`Ridiculous is a great show like V not being on Hulu, netflix, iTunes, Amazon, or anywhere else to watch after it's aired.`
`16:27.37`	`JademusSreg`	`Aimed where?`
`16:27.41`	`Tobin1`	`skill shot is a pretty common term i thought....`
`16:27.41`	`Motive`	`had to torrent it :(`
`16:27.52`	`Clord`	`it is RPG term... ability what shoots projectile and you actually need aim it`
`16:27.53`	`Clord`	`XD`
`16:27.54`	`Tobin1`	`Aimed where left clicked`
`16:28.14`	`JademusSreg`	`Aimed at what? It's trivial to make something go in the direction of camera yaw. =\`
`16:28.26`	`Clord`	`Motive... stop pretending to be sad`
`16:28.28`	`Clord`	`- Sephiroth`
`16:28.29`	`Clord`	`XD`
`16:28.42`	`Motive`	`lol what?`
`16:28.47`	`Clord`	`or in this case "stop pretending to feel bad"`
`16:28.47`	`Tobin1`	`Aimed at nothing, no target, it just sends the projectile int he direction clicked.`
`16:28.48`	`Clord`	`^^`
`16:28.59`	`Motive`	`nah I mean`
`16:29.03`	`Motive`	`I don't feel bad for the record companies`
`16:29.03`	`JademusSreg`	`Give me a moment.`
`16:29.18`	`Motive`	`I just try to recognize that what I'm doing is wrong, and I'm not gonna try to justify it`
`16:29.34`	`Motive`	`I spend enough money already on iTunes/Netflix/Hulu/etc to not get broken up about it`
`16:29.37`	`Motive`	`I just always try to buy legally first`
`16:29.54`	`Clord`	`errrm... you defeat then purpose why scene groups exist`
`16:30.09`	`Motive`	`o_O explain`
`16:30.28`	`Clord`	`you are supposed to first try scene release of game.. then desire if you want to buy it`
`16:30.37`	`Clord`	`like they typically say "if you like it, buy it"`
`16:30.39`	`Motive`	`oh I don't torrent games anyways`
`16:30.39`	`Clord`	`XD`
`16:30.41`	`Motive`	`never have`
`16:30.45`	`Motive`	`I just buy 'em legally or not at all`
`16:30.50`	`Mexa`	`There's an interesting article about piracy here`
`16:30.51`	`Mexa`	`http://blog.wolfire.com/2010/05/Another-view-of-game-piracy`
`16:30.59`	`Clord`	`some arrrr pirate you are`
`16:31.21`	`Mexa`	`Not saying I am getting for piracy because of this, but the article brings up stuff which has a valid point`
`16:31.28`	`Tobin1`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AzpByR3MvI`
`16:31.44`	`Motive`	`yeah`
`16:31.49`	`Motive`	`it raises some valid points from what I can see but`
`16:31.53`	`Motive`	`even if it's only 10% of their profit`
`16:31.59`	`Motive`	`the equivilent of maybe, grabbing a candy bar on the way out of a store`
`16:32.01`	`Mexa`	`You read that fast?`
`16:32.02`	`Motive`	`still wrong, imo.`
`16:32.03`	`grim001`	`what's with all these crap videos making the front page of sc2mapster?`
`16:32.04`	`Mexa`	`:v`
`16:32.07`	`JademusSreg`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:32.07`	`JademusSreg`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:32.07`	`JademusSreg`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:32.07`	`JademusSreg`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:32.07`	`JademusSreg`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:32.07`	`JademusSreg`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:32.08`	`Motive`	`Nah I freely admit to skimming.`
`16:32.08`	`JademusSreg`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:32.08`	`JademusSreg`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:32.08`	`Motive`	`:P`
`16:32.09`	`JademusSreg`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:32.09`	`JademusSreg`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:32.10`	`grim001`	`this WoW warlock video is crap`
`16:32.13`	`Mexa`	`Yes I know, ofcourse it is still wrong`
`16:32.23`	`JademusSreg`	`I concur, grim.`
`16:32.33`	`Motive`	`I just hate when people try to justify it`
`16:32.40`	`Motive`	`as somehow completely legitimate`
`16:32.49`	`Mexa`	`But most companies have an excuse to put DRM or claim that their sale rates are bad because of piracy`
`16:32.54`	`Motive`	`yeah`
`16:32.54`	`Mexa`	`Which is wrong`
`16:33.00`	`Motive`	`it's both sides that need to stfu and stop being fags`
`16:33.02`	`Clord`	`motive.. we can sit lol years talking about this and nothing gets resolved XD`
`16:33.05`	`Mexa`	`Yep`
`16:33.06`	`Motive`	`yep`
`16:33.07`	`Motive`	`xD`
`16:33.29`	`JademusSreg`	`Fags is lame. =\`
`16:33.34`	`Clord`	`you two sound like getting paid to promote anti piracy`
`16:33.35`	`Clord`	`lol`
`16:33.45`	`Motive`	`Nah, they wouldn't pay me`
`16:33.53`	`Motive`	`I downloaded season 2 of V this morning`
`16:33.56`	`Motive`	`pirated`
`16:33.59`	`Motive`	`I couldn't legally buy it anywhere`
`16:33.59`	`Motive`	`so`
`16:34.02`	`Motive`	`fuck that shit`
`16:34.05`	`Motive`	`I tried`
`16:34.30`	`Clord`	`lol that article is so true..... I almost finished ghostbusters the video game but ended up buying it anyways XD`
`16:34.37`	`Bibendus`	`is now away - Reason : Auto-Away after 30 minutes`
`16:34.39`	`Clord`	`and I finished storyline with legal copy :)`
`16:34.43`	`JademusSreg`	`Did you catch that Tobin?`
`16:34.56`	`Tobin1`	`I no comprehend`
`16:35.02`	`JademusSreg`	`Oh well.`
`16:35.08`	`Tobin1`	`is that a trigger?`
`16:35.22`	`JademusSreg`	`It's a snippet.`
`16:35.23`	`Clord`	`what is that non GUI language.... lame`
`16:35.26`	`Clord`	`just joking ;)`
`16:35.39`	`Motive`	`GUI is for nubcakes`
`16:35.47`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha`
`16:35.52`	`Clord`	`but those nubcakes gonna rule the popularity list`
`16:35.57`	`Motive`	`yeah`
`16:36.01`	`Motive`	`but I mean`
`16:36.04`	`Tobin1`	`I'm trying to do it through data if it is.`
`16:36.07`	`JademusSreg`	`I only do galaxy Tobin. And I do it HARD.`
`16:36.09`	`Motive`	`they get laughed at and hated by 90% of SC2`
`16:36.19`	`Clord`	`I rather use GUI.... I get enough work for my maps without using handicaps`
`16:36.20`	`Motive`	`I do Galaxy hard every night ;)`
`16:36.40`	`Clord`	`HARD and LONG`
`16:36.42`	`Clord`	`all day LONG`
`16:36.44`	`Clord`	`XD`
`16:36.48`	`Motive`	`nah but seriously, Galaxy kicks GUI's ass`
`16:36.54`	`Motive`	`header files FTW`
`16:37.02`	`Motive`	`make my life so easy`
`16:37.13`	`Motive`	`https://github.com/Motive/LibPhantom/blob/master/Phantom/PhantomHeader.galaxy`
`16:37.15`	`Motive`	`look at that`
`16:37.15`	`Motive`	`so nice`
`16:37.17`	`Motive`	`so organized`
`16:37.18`	`Motive`	`so pretty`
`16:37.19`	`Motive`	`so commented`
`16:37.21`	`Clord`	`but let's say you make typo`
`16:37.24`	`Clord`	`your map breaks XD`
`16:37.28`	`Motive`	`oh I don't make typos`
`16:37.29`	`Motive`	`too hardcore`
`16:37.35`	`JademusSreg`	`What's a Phantom?`
`16:37.42`	`Motive`	`I stopped making typos a month or two after release`
`16:37.43`	`Motive`	`xD`
`16:37.45`	`JademusSreg`	`Clord, ever heard of a syntax checker?`
`16:37.51`	`Clord`	`yeah yeah`
`16:37.54`	`Clord`	`but typos are annoying`
`16:38.04`	`JademusSreg`	`GUI is infinitely more annoying.`
`16:38.12`	`Motive`	`Ultimately Galaxy is a lot more flexible`
`16:38.15`	`Motive`	`and I can type faster than you can click`
`16:38.16`	`Motive`	`WANNA GO?`
`16:38.17`	`Motive`	`LETS DO THIS`
`16:38.19`	`Tobin1`	`Maybe i didn't explain what i wanted clearly? Give me a sec (visual aids are nice)`
`16:38.19`	`Motive`	`EWOIDJAOIJAWIODJWAOIJAWOIDAWAD`
`16:38.20`	`Motive`	`SEE?`
`16:38.32`	`Clord`	`aids!!!`
`16:38.33`	`Clord`	`run`
`16:38.40`	`JademusSreg`	`Hah.`
`16:38.42`	`Clord`	`kik`
`16:38.44`	`Clord`	`lol`
`16:38.47`	`Clord`	`damn typos`
`16:39.11`	`Motive`	`unless you can GUI at 300 apm you're fucked vs a Galaxy programmer`
`16:39.11`	`Motive`	`:)`
`16:39.19`	`Clord`	`hehe but it is not exactly speed sport when you design stuff`
`16:39.31`	`Motive`	`lies`
`16:39.36`	`Clord`	`also nice processor can make GUI rather smooth`
`16:39.38`	`Motive`	`I love just throwing down the design and then cranking out code`
`16:39.42`	`Motive`	`this is true, though`
`16:39.49`	`Motive`	`SC2 editor runs nice on my phenom x6`
`16:40.31`	`Motive`	`ran like shit on my C2D though :(`
`16:40.43`	`Motive`	`and memory leaked on exit to the point of like 2GB`
`16:40.46`	`Mexa`	`Still, I hate that the editor has built in support for operators in GUI`
`16:40.51`	`Mexa`	`but they don't exist in galaxy :\|`
`16:41.00`	`Motive`	`wait what?`
`16:41.06`	`Motive`	`how does galaxy not support operators?`
`16:41.08`	`Motive`	`when did this happen?`
`16:41.12`	`Clord`	`hehe I have overclocked core 2 duo.. E8500 to 3,61ghz.. I could overclock it more but I want keep it stable lol ^^ no need push too much`
`16:41.24`	`Mexa`	`since they stripped it down I guess`
`16:41.29`	`Motive`	`what?`
`16:41.32`	`Motive`	`explain`
`16:41.36`	`grim001`	`galaxy can do anything GUI can do, and more`
`16:41.38`	`Motive`	`I think you have the word "operators" confused`
`16:41.39`	`Motive`	`^`
`16:41.56`	`Mexa`	`A note to all of you as well, parsing around points in selfdefined functions will create a local point copy everytime`
`16:41.56`	`Clord`	`isn't that matrix thing ;)`
`16:41.56`	`grim001`	`all GUI is actually poorly formed galaxy code behind the scenes`
`16:42.00`	`Motive`	`operators in programming are like: + - % ^ \| &, etc`
`16:42.12`	`Mexa`	`aswell as the return type, will also be copied.`
`16:42.27`	`Mexa`	`Motive, well I meant custom operator support`
`16:42.30`	`JademusSreg`	`"all GUI is actually poorly formed galaxy code behind the scenes" There are people who don't know this?`
`16:42.36`	`Motive`	`custom operators?`
`16:42.40`	`Motive`	`GUI has no custom operators`
`16:42.40`	`Motive`	`wtf`
`16:43.03`	`Mexa`	`You can define an action to be an operator in gui`
`16:43.11`	`Motive`	`but it's not really an operator then`
`16:43.16`	`Motive`	`it's just a function call`
`16:43.20`	`Mexa`	`Well`
`16:43.32`	`Mexa`	`It's a preprocessor feature`
`16:43.38`	`Mexa`	`so it's a nice thing`
`16:43.43`	`Motive`	`it prolly generates horribly ugly code like`
`16:43.50`	`Motive`	`x + y + z turns into`
`16:44.11`	`Mexa`	`Why would you look at the code when you use GUI anyway?`
`16:44.13`	`grim001`	`Mexa, give a better example of whatever it is you think is easier in GUI than galaxy`
`16:44.18`	`Motive`	`Set(Set(x, Get(x) + Get(y)) + Get(z))`
`16:44.20`	`Motive`	`or something`
`16:44.22`	`Motive`	`stupidly complicated like that`
`16:44.26`	`Motive`	`OH GOD MY MOUTH IS ON FIRE`
`16:44.28`	`Motive`	`hot sauce`
`16:44.46`	`Clord`	`hehe rule of mapping.... "most who play your map not gonna give an damn how you did something, as long it works and is cool"`
`16:44.48`	`Clord`	`XD`
`16:44.59`	`Mexa`	`grim, I was just pointing out that there are "operators" that you can customly create as an action, say you want to do *= on a position`
`16:45.00`	`Motive`	`well that's true`
`16:45.04`	`Motive`	`but it's way easier to do cool things in Galaxy`
`16:45.13`	`Mexa`	`like multiplying a point with a scalar`
`16:45.18`	`Motive`	`can't do my Cortex library in anything but Galaxy, for example`
`16:45.18`	`Motive`	`:)`
`16:45.29`	`Motive`	`uses function pointers`
`16:45.34`	`grim001`	`what would be so hard about creating a function call to do that for you in galaxy? it will still be slower and more awkward to do in GUI`
`16:45.51`	`Clord`	`my triggers probably look for many rather unorganized mess but from gameplay side... they get their job done and without killing performance`
`16:46.06`	`JademusSreg`	`GUI users always say that, Clord. =)`
`16:46.13`	`Mexa`	`grim, I just wished galaxy already had support for such custom operators already`
`16:46.23`	`Clord`	`this comes from guy who rather not use even comments ^^`
`16:46.27`	`Clord`	`lol`
`16:46.31`	`Mexa`	`Instead of writing out a long function and pass the point to it everytime`
`16:46.35`	`Clord`	`unless I want to separate something really specific....`
`16:46.42`	`Motive`	`ehhhhh`
`16:46.48`	`Motive`	`I think operator overloading is a bad idea`
`16:46.54`	`Mexa`	`Not overloading`
`16:46.54`	`Motive`	`tends to add to code complexity`
`16:46.56`	`Mexa`	`but adding`
`16:47.13`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Ingela (~Ingela@90-230-170-118-no35.tbcn.telia.com)`
`16:47.15`	`Mexa`	`oh wait`
`16:47.20`	`Mexa`	`it do gets sort of overloading`
`16:47.21`	`grim001`	`you can already add points together in galaxy`
`16:47.37`	`Mexa`	`but you cannot multiply points with scalar values`
`16:47.47`	`Clord`	`it is kinda irony.. I make side what players of map see quite organized and polished... yet my map side what players of map are not shown is mess lol`
`16:47.49`	`Ashamed_`	`i am so happy its friday`
`16:47.51`	`Ashamed_`	`no mor epgp`
`16:47.51`	`Motive`	`point2d_multiply(left, right)`
`16:47.52`	`Motive`	`do I win?`
`16:47.59`	`Motive`	`DONT DO IT ASHAMED_`
`16:48.00`	`Motive`	`DONT`
`16:48.01`	`Motive`	`DO IT`
`16:48.08`	`grim001`	`is it hard to use PointMultiply(p, value)`
`16:48.10`	`Ashamed_`	`dont do what ?`
`16:48.15`	`Motive`	`oh`
`16:48.16`	`Ashamed_`	`be happy that its friday?`
`16:48.16`	`Motive`	`shit`
`16:48.18`	`Mexa`	`sigh guys, no it isn't hard`
`16:48.20`	`Motive`	`I'm so scarred`
`16:48.23`	`Motive`	`by that "it's friday" song`
`16:48.24`	`Motive`	`that I just`
`16:48.30`	`Motive`	`overreacted to "i am so happy its friday"`
`16:48.35`	`Ashamed_`	`lol`
`16:48.38`	`Mexa`	`I am just poiting out how simple everything would be if it was supported already from the start`
`16:48.41`	`Ashamed_`	`well i am just happy its friday`
`16:48.41`	`Clord`	`what it is? some friday rape song?`
`16:48.43`	`Ashamed_`	`no singing for me`
`16:48.47`	`Motive`	`good`
`16:48.48`	`Motive`	`NO SINGING`
`16:48.55`	`Ashamed_`	`just no more installing PGP`
`16:48.57`	`Ashamed_`	`thats what it means`
`16:48.59`	`grim001`	`points should rarely even be used except when you are forced by the natives`
`16:49.09`	`JManV\|Work`	`PGP?`
`16:49.13`	`Mexa`	`why's so? they work fine as vectors`
`16:49.27`	`Mexa`	`though, slower than structs`
`16:49.28`	`Motive`	`I don't like Blizzard's point implementation`
`16:49.29`	`Ashamed_`	`pretty good privacy ><`
`16:49.32`	`Mexa`	`But easier to use.`
`16:49.35`	`Motive`	`the Z axis is... weird`
`16:49.36`	`Mexa`	`in that way`
`16:49.37`	`Tobin1`	`http://img705.imageshack.us/i/17119629.png/ heres what im trying to make (in data) if anyone can help me out.`
`16:49.50`	`Ashamed_`	`its a disk encrytion program that IBM is pushing out... and it crashes like 1 /4 pcs`
`16:49.59`	`Ashamed_`	`>< and i hate reimaging all these DAMNED machines`
`16:50.01`	`Clord`	`friday would be rather awesome patch day`
`16:50.07`	`Clord`	`lol`
`16:50.07`	`Motive`	`BRING IT ON 1.3`
`16:50.08`	`Motive`	`BRING IT ON`
`16:50.08`	`Mexa`	`And since structs are utterly garbage at several times.`
`16:50.17`	`Motive`	`structs aren't garbage`
`16:50.24`	`Clord`	`blizzard typically assumes nothing goes wrong`
`16:50.26`	`Motive`	`I use structs for very naughty, dirty things in my code`
`16:50.28`	`Clord`	`so they again release patch on friday`
`16:50.29`	`Clord`	`I guess`
`16:50.43`	`Mexa`	`I said they were garbage several times:p`
`16:50.45`	`Mexa`	`not always`
`16:50.58`	`JademusSreg`	`At least we have native structs, but classes and dynamic allocation would be so much sweeter.`
`16:51.12`	`Mexa`	`But that you cannot copy a struct object to another without making a custom deep copy of it, it not fun.`
`16:51.35`	`Mexa`	`They are useful in arrays though.`
`16:51.36`	`Motive`	`write your own pointer system`
`16:51.36`	`Motive`	`:P`
`16:51.37`	`Motive`	`it's fun`
`16:51.41`	`Motive`	`and then you can pass structs around`
`16:51.51`	`Motive`	`and make them have sex with each other, or whatever other things C-style pointers can do`
`16:52.09`	`Mexa`	`I know, pretending an int yto the array index to be the object itself`
`16:52.16`	`Motive`	`nah go all out`
`16:52.16`	`JademusSreg`	`grim already did; you two could whip em out and see which is more feature complete and computationally efficient.`
`16:52.18`	`JademusSreg`	`=D`
`16:52.18`	`Motive`	`write some dynamic allocation`
`16:52.19`	`Motive`	`:P`
`16:52.34`	`Clord`	`hehe I know.. as there is people who hack maps to see them anyways despite protection`
`16:52.38`	`Clord`	`draw penis from pointers`
`16:52.40`	`Clord`	`XD`
`16:52.45`	`Mexa`	`I could do that, but it would involve datatables, and I'm not sure it would be worth the trouble.`
`16:52.47`	`grim001`	`luckily vjass style structs should be pretty easy to implement with purely text manipulation`
`16:53.04`	`Motive`	`psh clord`
`16:53.05`	`Motive`	`thinking too small`
`16:53.09`	`Motive`	`why draw a penis from pointers?`
`16:53.16`	`Motive`	`draw penises!`
`16:53.23`	`Mexa`	`grim, good thing`
`16:53.38`	`Ashamed_`	`w00t`
`16:53.45`	`JademusSreg`	`Man, the footprint naming convention is idiotic.`
`16:53.53`	`Clord`	`my maps typically has no fog of war`
`16:53.54`	`Clord`	`lol`
`16:53.59`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Wihl (~Wihl@90-228-217-15-no162.tbcn.telia.com)`
`16:54.07`	`Clord`	`that penis would give quick map ban`
`16:54.16`	`JademusSreg`	`Why the fuck did the devs preface nearly every footprint with Footprint? Why is that in the id?!`
`16:54.18`	`Motive`	`no see`
`16:54.21`	`Motive`	`you make it a rocket ship penis`
`16:54.25`	`Motive`	`so it's a penis, but you can say`
`16:54.27`	`Motive`	`no it's a rocket ship`
`16:54.39`	`Clord`	`http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/`
`16:54.41`	`Motive`	`and if they want you to change it`
`16:54.42`	`Mexa`	`So I heard they are separating the global and local stack from each other in the new patch? Then it will most likely not happend you hit the execution limit huh?`
`16:54.45`	`Motive`	`you can make it fly, so it's a flying penis`
`16:54.47`	`Clord`	`people are actually interested of those "achievement" news etc spam`
`16:54.50`	`Motive`	`and they'll never suspect it's not a flying rocket`
`16:55.15`	`grim001`	`I thought they already did that mexa`
`16:55.16`	`Clord`	`lol... rocket ship penis`
`16:55.18`	`Motive`	`I doubt anyone that's doing anything remotely right will hit the execution limit anyways`
`16:55.19`	`grim001`	`or was that something else`
`16:55.24`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha, Mexa.`
`16:55.27`	`Mexa`	`They did?`
`16:55.29`	`Motive`	`hitting the execution limit/size limit = design flaw`
`16:55.32`	`Motive`	`nothing more`
`16:55.32`	`Clord`	`austin powers`
`16:55.35`	`JademusSreg`	`It's for 1.3`
`16:55.40`	`JManV\|Work`	`that achievement is pretty hard`
`16:55.41`	`Mexa`	`yeah ok`
`16:56.34`	`Mexa`	`Motive, I know, but if I was merely thinking about the "dynamic" custom system one would make`
`16:56.44`	`JademusSreg`	`And there's still a good change you can hit the VM limit.`
`16:56.50`	`JademusSreg`	`*chance`
`16:57.08`	`Mexa`	`As in wc3 all arrays was 8192 in size.`
`16:57.18`	`Motive`	`oh man that pissed me off`
`16:57.29`	`Clord`	`I still don't know if publisher guy need host own map once to get it to randomly picked maps list`
`16:57.30`	`Clord`	`lol`
`16:58.01`	`Clord`	`something related to 1.3.0 "fun or not" button`
`16:58.32`	`grim001`	`funny how many gripes about a language can be resolved by shifting a few words around here and there`
`16:58.36`	`Motive`	`I really don't get people.`
`16:58.41`	`Motive`	`"Ya im not a dota fan but i did make a wow map but with no spells and when you level up nothing increases no stats or anything if anyone wants to join the team pm me if you like."`
`16:58.46`	`Motive`	`so what's the point of making your map then?`
`16:59.13`	`Mexa`	`Why did he forget splitting up that sentence?`
`16:59.15`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha, wut?`
`16:59.19`	`Clord`	`he just badly worded it`
`16:59.22`	`Motive`	`http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/map-development/19711-map-makers-of-starcraft-2-forum/#p1`
`16:59.29`	`Motive`	`the whole topic is just begging for someone to slap him`
`16:59.37`	`Clord`	`I think he meant that those things are not made yet....`
`16:59.45`	`Motive`	`he even PMed me.`
`16:59.47`	`Motive`	`"i need to get corex roleplay andilludian vale but offline i dont want to play with other people or waste my internet."`
`17:00.04`	`Clord`	`maybe it is spam bot?`
`17:00.07`	`Motive`	`no`
`17:00.16`	`Motive`	`spam bot wouldn't PM me about my map and make no sense`
`17:00.47`	`Clord`	`jesus.. is that dude nine`
`17:00.48`	`Clord`	`lol`
`17:00.50`	`Clord`	`???`
`17:01.18`	`Motive`	`quite possibly`
`17:01.36`	`JademusSreg`	`Cortex is clever in its implementation; I wrote similar spawn and mod scripts in wc3, though certainly with far less capability given the limits on data. Nice little snadbox.`
`17:01.48`	`Clord`	`"I have nothing to show here but please join to my team after reading my engrish"`
`17:02.12`	`JademusSreg`	`The onlt bad thing about it was calling it a roleplaying map. =)`
`17:02.20`	`Clord`	`it? :)`
`17:02.23`	`Clord`	`quite possibly`
`17:02.24`	`Clord`	`lol`
`17:02.27`	`Motive`	`Psh :P`
`17:02.29`	`Clord`	`that is not human`
`17:02.31`	`Motive`	`I was a roleplayer in WC3`
`17:02.33`	`Motive`	`so I made it for them again in SC2`
`17:02.39`	`Motive`	`I'm gonna improve it more though`
`17:02.41`	`Clord`	`that's an money`
`17:02.43`	`Motive`	`make it more... user friendly`
`17:02.48`	`Motive`	`even if I hate user friendliness`
`17:03.01`	`Clord`	`there is worser types in internet`
`17:03.08`	`Clord`	`like those who greet you with "brother"`
`17:03.15`	`Motive`	`I met a REAL hell of a dick once.`
`17:03.22`	`Motive`	`I was a little young though so I didn't catch on fast.`
`17:03.27`	`Motive`	`Basically I ran a website`
`17:03.30`	`Motive`	`was lead admin`
`17:03.32`	`Motive`	`our website took donations`
`17:03.44`	`Motive`	`This co-admin led a revolt, killed our site, posted that the site had moved, gave a new link to his`
`17:03.46`	`Motive`	`took donations, etc`
`17:03.48`	`Clord`	`it makes me tempeted to tall that "I'm not your black brother, I'm white dammit"`
`17:03.55`	`Motive`	`so I sent a DMCA takedown letter to his host for using some of the stuff that was ours`
`17:03.58`	`Motive`	`long story short`
`17:04.10`	`Motive`	`he lied and made the community think he was arrested and brought down to the police station over my DMCA`
`17:04.11`	`JademusSreg`	`Roleplaying just degenerates without good friends or good rules.`
`17:04.14`	`Motive`	`which ironically turned them againts me`
`17:04.14`	`Motive`	`:(`
`17:04.39`	`Motive`	`That's true, Jademus`
`17:04.48`	`Motive`	`Most roleplays suck`
`17:04.58`	`Clord`	`so..... how you lost control?`
`17:04.58`	`Motive`	`But I like making it 'cause it's one of the few maps that I can pretty much do whatever the fuck I want in`
`17:05.03`	`Clord`	`you didn't pay yourself of hosting space?`
`17:05.04`	`Clord`	`XD`
`17:05.07`	`Motive`	`I didn't lose control of anything`
`17:05.09`	`Clord`	`was it some free crap`
`17:05.11`	`Motive`	`he just stole my entire community`
`17:05.13`	`Motive`	`and their money`
`17:05.16`	`Motive`	`and made them think I got him arrested`
`17:05.18`	`Motive`	`when I didn't`
`17:05.27`	`Motive`	`he had a kid so he said child services took him away from him`
`17:05.32`	`Clord`	`why exactly you trusted him your income?`
`17:05.35`	`JManV\|Work`	`sounds like he won`
`17:05.35`	`Motive`	`I didn't`
`17:05.37`	`Motive`	`He did.`
`17:05.43`	`Motive`	`That's the point. I was too young to call BS on that.`
`17:05.56`	`Motive`	`He just redirected everyone to his site, same logo, etc, told a slightly different story, and made everyone side with him`
`17:06.06`	`Motive`	`cost me a couple hundred bucks`
`17:06.21`	`Motive`	`and made me look like a dick`
`17:06.38`	`Clord`	`but yeah... it sounds like you was not really in control... all donations should have went to your PRIVATE paypal account`
`17:06.45`	`Motive`	`they did`
`17:06.47`	`Motive`	`he opened a new site`
`17:06.47`	`Clord`	`you should also have kept control of everything`
`17:06.52`	`Clord`	`yeah yeah ^^`
`17:06.54`	`Motive`	`and used his own paypal for that one`
`17:06.59`	`Motive`	`I had control over my own paypal.`
`17:07.03`	`JManV\|Work`	`how did he redirect your site?`
`17:07.06`	`Motive`	`But he was an admin on the site so he was able to redirect traffic`
`17:07.10`	`JManV\|Work`	`and why couldn't you regain control?`
`17:07.12`	`Clord`	`as site leader you should have never trusted him anything related to money etc`
`17:07.15`	`Motive`	`Yeah`
`17:07.21`	`Motive`	`I never trusted anyone with money but me`
`17:07.25`	`JManV\|Work`	`you couldn't boot him as an admin?`
`17:07.29`	`Motive`	`I did boot him`
`17:07.33`	`JManV\|Work`	`and change the password`
`17:07.33`	`Motive`	`but by then the community had sided with him`
`17:07.35`	`Motive`	`the link was on the forums`
`17:07.39`	`Motive`	`and people just sort of slowly left`
`17:07.49`	`Motive`	`also I was short several hundred dollars, which meant I had to cut some servers`
`17:07.54`	`JManV\|Work`	`people suck`
`17:08.05`	`Motive`	`yes they do`
`17:08.10`	`Motive`	`learned fast from then on :P`
`17:08.23`	`Clord`	`still... you made that scenario possible and that bastard took advantage of it XD`
`17:08.26`	`Motive`	`Nah`
`17:08.29`	`Motive`	`I just went to sleep`
`17:08.30`	`Clord`	`it is his fault but you could have been prepared better`
`17:08.31`	`Motive`	`slept really late`
`17:08.42`	`Motive`	`woke up, and he had plastered our front page with a few news posts telling members to go elsewhere`
`17:08.47`	`Motive`	`so I woke up and removed it, but the damage had been done`
`17:08.57`	`JManV\|Work`	`that quick?`
`17:08.59`	`A1win`	`any way to center text? using CenterJustified doesn't seem to do anything`
`17:09.05`	`Motive`	`Large community of highly dedicated nerds`
`17:09.05`	`Motive`	`:P`
`17:09.06`	`A1win`	`text in a dialog label that is`
`17:09.13`	`JManV\|Work`	`how can he redirect all your site members in a single day?`
`17:09.14`	`Motive`	`Word travels fast.`
`17:09.17`	`Motive`	`Not all of 'em`
`17:09.19`	`Motive`	`but a key percentage`
`17:09.22`	`Motive`	`and then they drag their friends`
`17:09.26`	`Motive`	`and they drag theirs`
`17:09.27`	`Motive`	`etc`
`17:09.42`	`Clord`	`okay.... it is fine to make admin.. but not from some random dude`
`17:09.47`	`Motive`	`he wasn't a random`
`17:09.53`	`Motive`	`he was someone that earned that title`
`17:10.01`	`Motive`	`fairly mature member, had been helping the community a while`
`17:10.03`	`JManV\|Work`	`he apparently had nothing to lose`
`17:10.12`	`Motive`	`essentially the conflict was over`
`17:10.18`	`Motive`	`whether WoW or L2 should get more of our server money`
`17:10.18`	`Clord`	`you should have not implemented such reward system... you should never, ever trust people too much.. no matter how many years they are in your community`
`17:10.22`	`JManV\|Work`	`cuz that's a pretty big risk he took`
`17:10.24`	`Motive`	`and I was for WoW since WoW was our main focus`
`17:10.27`	`Motive`	`he was for L2`
`17:10.32`	`Motive`	`said I didn't give the L2 servers enough cash`
`17:10.34`	`Motive`	`and boom`
`17:10.36`	`Motive`	`rebellion one day`
`17:10.49`	`Motive`	`It's not that I trusted him but`
`17:10.55`	`Motive`	`he had just regular admin access, front page news stuff`
`17:10.59`	`Motive`	`the kind of stuff you share with your admins`
`17:11.02`	`Clord`	`so he might be one of those bastards who think they do community service with rebelling against real admin`
`17:11.03`	`Motive`	`other than that his access was limited`
`17:11.12`	`Motive`	`yup`
`17:11.21`	`Clord`	`when I did one clan once`
`17:11.25`	`Motive`	`and he was a bit more social than I was at the time`
`17:11.27`	`Clord`	`something similar happened`
`17:11.27`	`Motive`	`so the users favored him over me`
`17:11.31`	`Clord`	`we got few leaders... in clan`
`17:11.51`	`JManV\|Work`	`some things have to be learned the hard way....`
`17:11.52`	`Clord`	`and naturally that is like asking to be betrayed`
`17:11.55`	`Motive`	`yup`
`17:12.25`	`JManV\|Work`	`i've definitely done my fair share of learning things the hard way`
`17:12.33`	`JManV\|Work`	`and then some`
`17:12.34`	`Motive`	`haha, but once you learn you never forget`
`17:12.35`	`Clord`	`so I went from clan stuff to focus promoting my stuff and making community around them`
`17:12.35`	`Clord`	`http://www.revolutionalarts.com/`
`17:12.39`	`Clord`	`way better success :)`
`17:12.45`	`JManV\|Work`	`definitely not`
`17:12.46`	`Motive`	`I did private WoW servers so`
`17:12.50`	`Motive`	`the income investment was fairly large for a startup`
`17:12.51`	`Clord`	`super moderators are those guys who I really know long while`
`17:12.52`	`JManV\|Work`	`a lesson learned hard is a lesson remembered`
`17:12.52`	`JademusSreg`	`Hahaha`
`17:12.54`	`Motive`	`very hard to get off the ground`
`17:12.57`	`JademusSreg`	`You fiend!`
`17:13.04`	`Motive`	`since the starting costs would be in the hundreds of dollars/month`
`17:13.07`	`Motive`	`so you either grow fast, or you die`
`17:13.17`	`Motive`	`thankfully I love programming and creating stuff so I still think it was worth it`
`17:13.33`	`Clord`	`http://www.revolutionalarts.com/`
`17:13.36`	`Clord`	`I love my avatar there`
`17:13.38`	`Clord`	`^^`
`17:13.50`	`Motive`	`Lol that's no avatar`
`17:13.51`	`Motive`	`that's huge`
`17:13.53`	`Clord`	`it is about Hiruma character what is kind of devil like human being`
`17:14.20`	`Clord`	`he uses weapons even on american football field`
`17:14.21`	`Clord`	`XD`
`17:14.25`	`Motive`	`I quit WoW emulation just in time though`
`17:14.26`	`JademusSreg`	`Running an MMO only seems appealing to me because playing God seems appealing.`
`17:14.28`	`Motive`	`got really really lucky`
`17:14.33`	`Motive`	`nah, I just like building stuff :)`
`17:14.39`	`Motive`	`the server I used to work for`
`17:14.43`	`Motive`	`got sued for $89 million`
`17:14.47`	`Motive`	`a few months or a year after I left`
`17:14.48`	`Motive`	`so`
`17:14.54`	`Motive`	`fuck yeah for quitting at the right time, eh?`
`17:14.56`	`Clord`	`so you grabbed the reward and ran`
`17:14.57`	`Clord`	`lol`
`17:14.58`	`Clord`	`how heroic`
`17:15.00`	`Clord`	`and smart`
`17:15.03`	`Motive`	`Hey`
`17:15.05`	`Clord`	`errrrm.....`
`17:15.07`	`Clord`	`I mean`
`17:15.09`	`Motive`	`I'm fucking scared of $89 million in fees`
`17:15.09`	`Motive`	`xD`
`17:15.12`	`Clord`	`smart is honestly smart :)`
`17:15.12`	`Motive`	`I'm not afraid to admit it`
`17:15.36`	`Clord`	`I think you did right thing to bail from it before you could be legally sued`
`17:15.39`	`Motive`	`yup`
`17:15.44`	`Motive`	`owner was an idiot, never showed up for court`
`17:15.46`	`Motive`	`default judgment`
`17:15.49`	`Motive`	`she got fucked`
`17:15.50`	`Clord`	`even though it is not heroic`
`17:16.09`	`JManV\|Work`	`god dammit i hate it when database don't validate data`
`17:16.10`	`Clord`	`chinese?`
`17:16.11`	`Clord`	`lol`
`17:16.17`	`JManV\|Work`	`there's no way someone has a middle name of "&"`
`17:16.27`	`JademusSreg`	`Hah.`
`17:16.37`	`Clord`	`maybe he didn't show up the court because is in organized crime so law could not touch him anyways ;)`
`17:16.43`	`Motive`	`nah`
`17:16.46`	`Motive`	`she lived in the state of Texas`
`17:16.50`	`Motive`	`was sued in Federal Court in Texas`
`17:16.51`	`Clord`	`lol`
`17:16.52`	`Motive`	`had months`
`17:16.54`	`Motive`	`never showed`
`17:16.58`	`Motive`	`got raped by the legal system`
`17:17.01`	`JManV\|Work`	`of course that threw an XML error...`
`17:17.14`	`Clord`	`lol he got alone that 89 million dollar sue?'`
`17:17.15`	`Clord`	`XD`
`17:17.17`	`JManV\|Work`	`XML is not so fond of the ampersands`
`17:17.19`	`Motive`	`she*`
`17:17.20`	`Motive`	`yup`
`17:17.26`	`JManV\|Work`	`at least not the unqualified type`
`17:17.30`	`Motive`	`the problem is`
`17:17.31`	`Clord`	`she... at least he/she tells you so`
`17:17.37`	`Motive`	`blizzard told her to shut down several times`
`17:17.38`	`Motive`	`and she never did`
`17:17.43`	`Motive`	`everyone knows, if you get a takedown letter from them`
`17:17.45`	`Motive`	`it's time to call it quits`
`17:17.48`	`Clord`	`I have both male and female avatars in various MMO games yet I'm straight male XD`
`17:17.48`	`Motive`	`but she didn't`
`17:17.49`	`Motive`	`and she paid for it`
`17:18.11`	`Clord`	`:)`
`17:18.17`	`Motive`	`I think she's the only one who's really gotten sued`
`17:18.24`	`Motive`	`and that was just because she's the only one to say no to shutting down`
`17:18.27`	`JManV\|Work`	`you can play a boy or a girl in my pokemon game :P`
`17:18.39`	`Clord`	`it is matter of looks really`
`17:18.41`	`JManV\|Work`	`i still suspect i'll get a disporportunate number of girls`
`17:18.43`	`JademusSreg`	`Anyone care to guess what that shit is about? http://www.sc2mapster.com/announcements/wow-warlock-conversion/#comments`
`17:18.53`	`Clord`	`if male character is well done.. I sometimes use those`
`17:18.53`	`Clord`	`XD`
`17:19.01`	`Clord`	`but if they look like brutes`
`17:19.03`	`Clord`	`no thanks`
`17:19.35`	`JManV\|Work`	`remember how six was alluding to a special project last week?`
`17:19.39`	`Motive`	`http://www.rfcexpress.com/lawsuits/copyright-lawsuits/california-central-district-court/51340/blizzard-entertainment-inc-v-alyson-reeves-dba-scapegaming/summary/`
`17:19.40`	`Clord`	`yes I can tell`
`17:19.42`	`Motive`	`theres the lawsuit`
`17:19.42`	`Motive`	`xD`
`17:19.43`	`Clord`	`it is marketing trick`
`17:19.58`	`Clord`	`EALA used similar stuff to promote C&C3's mysterious third race`
`17:20.00`	`Clord`	`aka Scrin`
`17:20.02`	`Motive`	`Judgment issued in favor of plaintiff Blizzard Entertainment, Inc. and against Alyson Reeves in the principal amount of $88,530,939.00, interest in the amount of $ 13,762.56, attorneys fees of $ 63,600.00, costs of $ 0.00.`
`17:20.19`	`JManV\|Work`	`jfc`
`17:20.30`	`Clord`	`attoyney fees? XD`
`17:20.33`	`Clord`	`so huge`
`17:20.35`	`Motive`	`yeah`
`17:20.40`	`Motive`	`they nailed her in every possible way`
`17:20.40`	`Motive`	`xD`
`17:20.56`	`Clord`	`thing is`
`17:21.03`	`Clord`	`they can't even hope to get even percent of that money`
`17:21.04`	`Motive`	`she can never pay`
`17:21.06`	`Motive`	`they'll never get it`
`17:21.07`	`Motive`	`yup`
`17:21.11`	`Motive`	`but she'll be in debt for her entire life`
`17:21.11`	`JademusSreg`	`I imagine Mike rubbing his hands together in satisfaction.`
`17:21.14`	`Motive`	`her credit score will be shot`
`17:21.15`	`Motive`	`etc`
`17:21.16`	`JManV\|Work`	`for what exactly?`
`17:21.22`	`Clord`	`in the end it might turn out that he gets away from it because amount is unrealistic or adjusted`
`17:21.26`	`Clord`	`or he gets to some hobo box`
`17:21.29`	`Motive`	`xD`
`17:21.30`	`JademusSreg`	`CLORD`
`17:21.33`	`JademusSreg`	`NOT A HE`
`17:21.34`	`JademusSreg`	`FUCK`
`17:21.42`	`Clord`	`fuck?`
`17:21.43`	`JademusSreg`	`She. =)`
`17:21.48`	`Motive`	`she was an ugly she`
`17:21.49`	`Motive`	`so it's ok`
`17:21.52`	`Motive`	`he can call her he`
`17:21.53`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha`
`17:21.54`	`Clord`	`or fuck gets to some hobo box`
`17:21.57`	`Clord`	`=)`
`17:22.14`	`JManV\|Work`	`they may be able to garnish`
`17:22.24`	`Clord`	`I blame my first language`
`17:22.29`	`Clord`	`we have no he/she words in same sense`
`17:22.32`	`JManV\|Work`	`anyways, what was the copyright violation?`
`17:22.44`	`Clord`	`in my language he/se = hän`
`17:22.47`	`Clord`	`one damn word`
`17:22.54`	`JademusSreg`	`"Alyson Reeves? That's a weird name for a guy. Why do you guys keep making the same typo?"`
`17:22.54`	`Motive`	`the copyright violation was something like`
`17:22.54`	`JManV\|Work`	`silly europeans :P`
`17:22.56`	`Clord`	`we don't make difference between gender in our language like that :)`
`17:22.59`	`Motive`	`providing 5 years of free WoW`
`17:23.02`	`Motive`	`to over a million people or so`
`17:23.05`	`JManV\|Work`	`oh`
`17:23.10`	`Clord`	`it is Finnish :) one of world most hardest languages.... with many others`
`17:23.14`	`Motive`	`was the largest private server for years`
`17:23.15`	`Motive`	`and years`
`17:23.18`	`Motive`	`and they took donations too`
`17:23.21`	`Motive`	`so they added those in...`
`17:23.22`	`Motive`	`and yeah`
`17:23.34`	`JManV\|Work`	`that's illegal?`
`17:23.50`	`Motive`	`federal court sure thinks so`
`17:23.51`	`JManV\|Work`	`(i don't play WoW)`
`17:24.03`	`JademusSreg`	`Don't worry Clord, these sorts of language problems are ripe for jest.`
`17:24.06`	`Clord`	`to keep WoW server even somewhat legally.. you would need to be enough rich to paly without taking donations etc`
`17:24.22`	`JManV\|Work`	`most native english speakers have trouble with the language`
`17:24.24`	`Clord`	`pay...`
`17:24.29`	`JManV\|Work`	`let alone a second language`
`17:24.35`	`Motive`	`Wowscape's server bills were something like`
`17:24.38`	`Motive`	`$10,000/mo`
`17:24.41`	`Motive`	`due to high bandwidth costs`
`17:24.51`	`Motive`	`every server was at least doing 15 Mbps 100% of the time`
`17:24.55`	`Motive`	`5 servers or so...`
`17:25.02`	`Motive`	`and they had to be state of the art HD`
`17:25.23`	`Clord`	`I can guess`
`17:25.36`	`Motive`	`during spring break, holidays, etc`
`17:25.44`	`Motive`	`wasn't unusual to see at least on the battleground realm`
`17:25.46`	`Clord`	`"she" or so he/she says.. is... anyways..... got too greedy of income.... so didn't want to shut down servers when was ordered to`
`17:25.46`	`Motive`	`up to 90 Mbit`
`17:26.20`	`Clord`	`I'm just playing joke of "shemales" XD`
`17:26.22`	`Clord`	`lol`
`17:26.24`	`JademusSreg`	`Reminds me of the mentality of people who hide in horror movies.`
`17:26.32`	`Motive`	`if I were in a horror movie`
`17:26.44`	`Clord`	`amnesia the dark descent.. those playtrhought videos are priceless`
`17:26.45`	`Motive`	`step 1: daylight`
`17:26.46`	`JademusSreg`	`"If I don't show up, they can't sue/murder me."`
`17:27.01`	`Motive`	`step 2: public place`
`17:27.07`	`Clord`	`many males scream like girls lol`
`17:27.09`	`Motive`	`step 3: stay with at least 100 people at all times`
`17:27.11`	`Clord`	`when they see monster to oclose`
`17:27.20`	`Motive`	`or maybe just stay in a vehicle 100% of the time`
`17:27.21`	`Motive`	`fuck it`
`17:27.26`	`Clord`	`4. one turns to zombie and bites first victim`
`17:27.26`	`Motive`	`if I'm in a horror movie`
`17:27.30`	`Clord`	`5. T-virus is unleashed!`
`17:27.33`	`Clord`	`XD`
`17:27.34`	`Motive`	`I'll just spend the movie driving from NJ to Atlanta at 80 mph`
`17:27.35`	`Motive`	`COME KILL ME, BITCH`
`17:27.38`	`Motive`	`I WONT EVEN STOP`
`17:27.45`	`JManV\|Work`	`i think the number 1 rule of horror movies, is the people who figure out what's going on first - live`
`17:27.55`	`Motive`	`#1 rule of horror movies is`
`17:27.56`	`Motive`	`wahtever you do`
`17:27.58`	`Motive`	`DO NOT HAVE SEX`
`17:27.59`	`Motive`	`WITH ANYONE`
`17:28.01`	`Motive`	`not even a BJ`
`17:28.03`	`Motive`	`or you'll die within 5 minutes`
`17:28.04`	`JademusSreg`	`Scream.`
`17:28.12`	`Clord`	`lol... in that resident evil movie where there is umbrellas on rain and that one girl whatever bites first guy to make second zombie`
`17:28.19`	`Clord`	`somehow they didn't got that situation under control`
`17:28.23`	`Clord`	`and it took over entire world XD`
`17:28.28`	`JademusSreg`	`Seth Green made that movie almost watchable with that little rant.`
`17:28.45`	`Clord`	`and no explanation how virus got there`
`17:28.52`	`Clord`	`unless it was intended by that one bastard villain`
`17:29.23`	`JademusSreg`	`And by little, I mean 5'4".`
`17:29.33`	`Clord`	`resident evil movies just keeps pouring in and story is getting more and more unreal after second one XD`
`17:30.30`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Tobin1 (45497832@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.73.120.50)`
`17:30.37`	`JademusSreg`	`Discussing the unreality of Resident Evil movies with any nuance it itself pretty hilarious.`
`17:30.45`	`Motive`	`yeah`
`17:30.51`	`Motive`	`iirc in the latest movie`
`17:30.57`	`Motive`	`they were listening to a personal conversation`
`17:31.01`	`Motive`	`in the cockpit of a propeller plane`
`17:31.03`	`Motive`	`from`
`17:31.03`	`Motive`	`oh`
`17:31.07`	`Motive`	`several miles up`
`17:31.09`	`Motive`	`in space`
`17:31.32`	`Clord`	`yeah btw.. why they did fly so high?`
`17:31.32`	`Clord`	`XD`
`17:31.54`	`Clord`	`oh and... somehow that woman's powers lasted just enough to make him survive from crash to hill`
`17:31.57`	`Clord`	`or mountain`
`17:32.07`	`Clord`	`Ripley or whatever`
`17:32.07`	`Clord`	`XD`
`17:32.30`	`Clord`	`oh and logical rule is to not make sure that villain is dead`
`17:32.33`	`Clord`	`after crash`
`17:32.38`	`Clord`	`you jsut wander away`
`17:33.12`	`JademusSreg`	`The games have more verisimilitude than the movies. =\`
`17:34.04`	`Mexa`	`Guys, I guess I shouldn't bring this up to avoid being ridiculed or whatever, but what do you think about the new MLP?`
`17:34.07`	`Clord`	`you make ship trap for main character but order army to leave equipment inside it (helicopters etc)... like there is not already enough problems to make more`
`17:34.56`	`JademusSreg`	`MLP?`
`17:35.03`	`Mexa`	`friendship is magic`
`17:35.11`	`Shadoooow`	`Do i post models in this section? http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/art-assets/`
`17:35.25`	`JademusSreg`	`My Little Pony?`
`17:35.34`	`Mexa`	`you're right`
`17:35.51`	`JademusSreg`	`Dunno. I have a 6 year old who loves that shit.`
`17:35.59`	`Clord`	`not sure why I have not realized to keep checking resources section`
`17:36.00`	`Clord`	`lol`
`17:36.07`	`Clord`	`I guess because 50mb limit`
`17:36.18`	`Mexa`	`haha:>`
`17:36.28`	`JademusSreg`	`I'll ask her.`
`17:36.38`	`JademusSreg`	`When she gets back from the zoo.`
`17:37.41`	`JademusSreg`	`I'd say skip the MLP and get some legos.`
`17:37.41`	`Mexa`	`http://kotaku.com/#!5781325/stop-what-you-are-doing-and-watch-this-my-little-pony-video-right-now`
`17:37.53`	`Mexa`	`It's funny though that that got on Kotakku`
`17:37.56`	`Mexa`	`*-k`
`17:38.06`	`Clord`	`I found nice graphics for L logo`
`17:38.08`	`Clord`	`http://animefact.wordpress.com/2009/06/03/ryuzaki-l/`
`17:38.09`	`Clord`	`XD`
`17:38.42`	`JademusSreg`	`Better than the dragon age MLP.`
`17:38.52`	`JademusSreg`	`Or was it skyrim?`
`17:39.44`	`Mexa`	`There's a few of them`
`17:39.55`	`Mexa`	`From several games`
`17:42.46`	`Tobin1`	`Blizz Writers: Lets just combine every known cliche line into one game?`
`17:42.54`	`Clord`	`not sure how game desires what part of image is transparent.. I assume gotta use some program to desire transparent color`
`17:42.55`	`Clord`	`sheesh`
`17:42.56`	`Clord`	`XD`
`17:43.55`	`Mexa`	`Tobin, call them eastereggs if you wan't`
`17:44.08`	`JademusSreg`	`Naw, make a drinking game out of it.`
`17:44.15`	`Tobin1`	`Lol`
`17:44.33`	`JademusSreg`	`Then show all the cutscenes at a local theatre like a cult film and curse at the screen and throw shit.`
`17:44.50`	`Tobin1`	`I just hope they don't do it to d3`
`17:45.46`	`JademusSreg`	`Oh they will.`
`17:45.57`	`JademusSreg`	`But the gameplay will probably be great.`
`17:46.01`	`Tobin1`	`Yup`
`17:46.04`	`Tobin1`	`thats for sure`
`17:47.00`	`JademusSreg`	`The story just needs to fit, at minimum; it's what provides a context to the game, a frame to the aesthetic.`
`17:47.04`	`Mexa`	`I am abit sceptic about the art design though`
`17:47.14`	`JademusSreg`	`I'm not.`
`17:47.25`	`Mexa`	`I mean, the male wizard clearly says samurai all over him :7`
`17:47.36`	`Mexa`	`And a female demon hunter walking around in high heel boots?`
`17:47.54`	`Mexa`	`Must be painful.`
`17:48.04`	`Tobin1`	`they try to hard imo`
`17:48.27`	`JademusSreg`	`Succubus wearing high heel hooves? Kerrigan wearing high heel foot spines?`
`17:48.46`	`Tobin1`	`Succubus with clothes on of course.`
`17:49.11`	`Mexa`	`I wasn't saying those are any better`
`17:49.46`	`Mexa`	`But it is also the past now so.`
`17:50.03`	`Mexa`	`I just find it very impractical:P`
`17:50.34`	`JademusSreg`	`It's silly, but I don't care. It's nothing to me.`
`17:50.38`	`Tobin1`	`like dual pistolbows?`
`17:50.44`	`Tobin1`	`how the hell are you supposed to reload...`
`17:51.05`	`Mexa`	`Well, there are automatic crossbows you know`
`17:51.11`	`Mexa`	`I actually thought about that first`
`17:51.22`	`Tobin1`	`Yeah`
`17:51.28`	`Tobin1`	`but not dual wield, and not infinite ammo.`
`17:51.37`	`Mexa`	`:>`
`17:52.12`	`Ashamed_`	`omg fridays move so fucking slow`
`17:52.13`	`Ashamed_`	`i hate it`
`17:52.23`	`Mexa`	`Then again, I guess one could bash about every tiny thing nowadays`
`17:52.41`	`Mexa`	`I am excited for d3 too, don't get me wrong`
`17:53.02`	`Tobin1`	`tbh, the dual crossbows is really the only thing i just flat out can't stand.`
`17:53.37`	`Tobin1`	`which is small, i just wont use them.`
`17:53.53`	`Mexa`	`Yeah that's a way to solve that:p`
`17:53.55`	`Tobin1`	`pistolbow drops = nothing dropped`
`17:53.58`	`Tobin1`	`lol`
`17:54.09`	`Mexa`	`You could always sell them.`
`17:54.36`	`Tobin1`	`I'd rather go into serious denial that they even exist.`
`17:55.03`	`Tobin1`	`Skill runes was genius idea though.`
`17:57.18`	`Clord`	`http://forums.sc2mapster.com/player-zone/map-feedback/19736-shinigami-note-eu-us/#p1`
`17:57.21`	`Clord`	`added items to list`
`17:57.27`	`Clord`	`just for heck of it`
`17:58.01`	`Mexa`	`Hm, is it EU Map Night today?`
`17:59.00`	`Tobin1`	`Anyways, could someone possibly help me with the data on making this? http://img705.imageshack.us/i/17119629.png/ I've been actively trying for the past hour to figure it out, starting to get annoyed & close to saying "OK, screw this shit".`
`17:59.42`	`JManV\|Work`	`there have got to be guides on sc2mapster on how to do that`
`17:59.55`	`Clord`	`couldn't you do something similar like lurker's attack.. it continues going even after it hits target`
`18:00.44`	`Tobin1`	`I searched, but i guess i didn't use the right keyword jman. Also i want the projectile to die on unit collision too.`
`18:00.57`	`JManV\|Work`	`seach for FPS?`
`18:01.07`	`Tobin1`	`nope standard camera`
`18:01.17`	`Tobin1`	`oh`
`18:01.20`	`JManV\|Work`	`i know but FPSs use that mechanic`
`18:01.33`	`Tobin1`	`K`
`18:04.19`	`JManV\|Work`	`or maybe shoot straight ahead or something like that`
`18:04.38`	`JManV\|Work`	`i've never done it personally, but i know it's been done a lot`
`18:05.27`	`JManV\|Work`	`NA map night in 6 hours! w00t!`
`18:05.36`	`Kueken`	`EU now`
`18:05.39`	`Kueken`	`:/`
`18:05.41`	`Kueken`	`4 ppl`
`18:05.46`	`Kueken`	`*5`
`18:06.51`	`JManV\|Work`	`really? that all?`
`18:06.55`	`Clord`	`hehe`
`18:07.01`	`Clord`	`ladder season 1 is approaching`
`18:07.03`	`Clord`	`is news`
`18:07.09`	`Clord`	`I guess it is nearing patch time ;)`
`18:07.20`	`Tobin1`	`I'll most likely drop in the the map night tonight too`
`18:07.57`	`JManV\|Work`	`i should probably try and get promoted before the freeze`
`18:08.09`	`Tobin1`	`How many people usually show up the NA?`
`18:08.26`	`JManV\|Work`	`8-15`
`18:08.33`	`JManV\|Work`	`some just idle and never actually play tho`
`18:08.50`	`JManV\|Work`	`but we pretty much always carry at least 6`
`18:09.02`	`JManV\|Work`	`plus invite more when the game calls for it`
`18:10.18`	`JManV\|Work`	`i think we've filled 12 person games a few times before`
`18:16.17`	`JademusSreg`	`If we were a group of ladies at a dance and entertainment establishment, I think I would be slotted as the fun bitch of the group.`
`18:16.59`	`JademusSreg`	`In the film version of these events, I'd like to be played by Olivia Munn.`
`18:17.20`	`A1win`	`ffff just did trigger refactoring for like an hour only to realize that I can't have the inventories as a shared dialog between all players if I want to be able to change the dialog's size individually for each player`
`18:18.04`	`JManV\|Work`	`mmm.... olivia munn...`
`18:18.25`	`JManV\|Work`	`i noticed the same thing yesterday, a1`
`18:18.36`	`JManV\|Work`	`is dialog size the only property that can't be set per player?`
`18:18.48`	`JManV\|Work`	`prolly dialog position, too?`
`18:18.55`	`A1win`	`maybe`
`18:19.21`	`A1win`	`nah that's player dependant`
`18:19.40`	`A1win`	`oh well at least I had saved before I started changing the dialogs`
`18:19.44`	`JManV\|Work`	`you can move it but not resize it?`
`18:19.48`	`JManV\|Work`	`dumb`
`18:22.58`	`JManV\|Work`	`i also hate how you basically can't do anything player dependant with screen buttons`
`18:24.22`	`JManV\|Work`	`i have half a mind to throw a gray semi-transparent dialog over mine in order to "disable" it`
`18:24.52`	`JademusSreg`	`Hahaha`
`18:24.54`	`JademusSreg`	`Clever.`
`18:25.55`	`JManV\|Work`	`still, at the beginning of the game, i want to not show it`
`18:26.03`	`JManV\|Work`	`but i need to show it if the player has a hero already`
`18:26.13`	`A1win`	`aren't screen buttons just stripped versions of dialog buttons?`
`18:26.28`	`JManV\|Work`	`but they can actually look different`
`18:26.36`	`JManV\|Work`	`that's the important part`
`18:26.43`	`A1win`	`hmmh?`
`18:26.49`	`JManV\|Work`	`i don't want my main menu button to look like a normal dialog button`
`18:27.02`	`JManV\|Work`	`you know how you can't change what a dialog button looks like?`
`18:27.06`	`A1win`	`but you can change a dialog button's image too?`
`18:27.11`	`JManV\|Work`	`nope`
`18:27.15`	`Mexa`	`All DialogProperties can be set per player`
`18:27.19`	`Mexa`	`and DialogControls`
`18:27.29`	`JManV\|Work`	`mexa: dialog size?`
`18:27.31`	`A1win`	`well I have changed them, just not successfully got them to look right :P`
`18:27.37`	`Mexa`	`yes`
`18:27.41`	`Mexa`	`Well wait`
`18:27.42`	`JManV\|Work`	`how?`
`18:27.42`	`A1win`	`but that's probably because of a bad image mode`
`18:27.47`	`A1win`	`set dialog item image`
`18:27.50`	`A1win`	`for the button`
`18:27.55`	`Mexa`	`Not the dialog`
`18:27.59`	`Mexa`	`But the DialogItem`
`18:28.00`	`JManV\|Work`	`i meant the dialog size`
`18:28.10`	`A1win`	`huh?`
`18:28.12`	`JManV\|Work`	`but i didn't know about the button either`
`18:28.15`	`Mexa`	`So, you can easily fake a dialogitem being the core frame of the dialog`
`18:28.18`	`JManV\|Work`	`maybe i'll experiment`
`18:28.27`	`Mexa`	`And hide the dialog itself`
`18:28.35`	`A1win`	`mm`
`18:28.43`	`JManV\|Work`	`"easily" is a relative term :P`
`18:28.44`	`A1win`	`err right`
`18:28.52`	`Mexa`	`I guess :)`
`18:28.56`	`JManV\|Work`	`especially if you want the full dialog frame, by race`
`18:29.05`	`Mexa`	`You can fix that`
`18:29.12`	`A1win`	`now I feel tempted to continue the refactoring and change the dialog transparent and use an image as the frame`
`18:29.24`	`Mexa`	`But yeah okay, that's where it gets slightly more complex`
`18:29.34`	`JManV\|Work`	`yeah, it can be done`
`18:29.57`	`Mexa`	`Also make use to use the proper ImageType when doing so`
`18:30.09`	`Mexa`	`As they all are used differently with different images`
`18:30.43`	`Mexa`	`I don't remember that stuff right now though :/`
`18:30.55`	`JManV\|Work`	`i know what you mean`
`18:31.09`	`JManV\|Work`	`sounds like a lot of trouble for what i was trying to do yesterday`
`18:31.16`	`JManV\|Work`	`but it might be useful at a later date`
`18:31.16`	`Mexa`	`yeah`
`18:31.41`	`Mexa`	`I did some research on that a way long back, my I lost that document as I scribbled it down on a piece of paper`
`18:31.55`	`Mexa`	`But I bet something should be on sc2mapster already.`
`18:32.08`	`Bounty`	`><`
`18:33.25`	`JManV\|Work`	`also, i've been working on a series of dialog tutorials`
`18:33.36`	`JManV\|Work`	`and was thinking of showing how to do player dependant dialogs`
`18:33.45`	`JManV\|Work`	`i'm not gonna show how to do that :P`
`18:33.46`	`Mexa`	`That sounds nice`
`18:33.52`	`Mexa`	`aww`
`18:34.06`	`JManV\|Work`	`maybe as an appendix`
`18:34.19`	`JManV\|Work`	`but the tutorial is kinda beginner-oriented`
`18:34.28`	`JManV\|Work`	`and it's easier to just make 1 dialog per player`
`18:34.30`	`Bounty`	`player dependant dialogs?`
`18:34.44`	`A1win`	`hehe since I can't individually disable highlighting on units for a player, I could put a huge dialog over the UI that prevents mouse going through it for that player`
`18:35.05`	`JManV\|Work`	`you can click through a dialog`
`18:35.24`	`A1win`	`not if it has an image/label/whatever with a tooltip`
`18:35.25`	`JManV\|Work`	`a button might capture the click tho`
`18:35.44`	`JManV\|Work`	`i'm not sure a label or image will capture the click`
`18:35.52`	`A1win`	`it will if it has a tooltip`
`18:35.56`	`JManV\|Work`	`will it?`
`18:36.21`	`A1win`	`I'm quite sure`
`18:36.39`	`A1win`	`I mean it will prevent the cursor from interacting with the world completely through it`
`18:36.55`	`JManV\|Work`	`i was thinking of making modal dialogs by graying out the screen like that myself`
`18:36.57`	`A1win`	`cursor either interacts with the 2D ui or the 3D world, not both at the same time`
`18:37.02`	`JManV\|Work`	`like when you hit the main menu`
`18:37.13`	`A1win`	`and if it has a tooltip, it needs to interact with the ui`
`18:37.42`	`Mexa`	`Does modal dialogs even work?`
`18:37.46`	`JManV\|Work`	`nope`
`18:37.57`	`JManV\|Work`	`it's dumb tho, if you make a custom menu`
`18:38.00`	`Mexa`	`Also, since they don't any idea what they mean:p?`
`18:38.05`	`JManV\|Work`	`at it runs sub-dialogs`
`18:38.22`	`JManV\|Work`	`the custom menu is modal, while the sub dialogs are not`
`18:38.44`	`JManV\|Work`	`modal = must be dismissed before anything else can happen`
`18:38.49`	`Mexa`	`oh`
`18:38.56`	`JManV\|Work`	`non-modal = does not interfere with other operations`
`18:39.02`	`Mexa`	`Right, I got that`
`18:39.10`	`JManV\|Work`	`unless i have it the other way around, but i think that's right`
`18:40.49`	`Mexa`	`What do you mean with "sub dialog"?`
`18:40.49`	`JManV\|Work`	`just another dialog`
`18:40.49`	`JManV\|Work`	`a custom menu works just like the main menu, but you can customize it`
`18:40.49`	`Mexa`	`Right, ontop of the parent?`
`18:40.49`	`JManV\|Work`	`so the main menu, you click on options, and it opens another dialog`
`18:40.52`	`A1win`	`meh editor crashed to changing active document`
`18:40.55`	`A1win`	`I mean froze`
`18:40.56`	`Mexa`	`yeah ok`
`18:40.57`	`JManV\|Work`	`and like the main menu, that dialog is modal`
`18:41.03`	`Bounty`	`JManV`
`18:41.06`	`Bounty`	`got a question for ya`
`18:41.07`	`JManV\|Work`	`in my custom menu, i have game options`
`18:41.18`	`JManV\|Work`	`unlike the custom menu, the options dialog is non modal`
`18:41.26`	`JManV\|Work`	`which looks kinda dumb`
`18:41.36`	`Bounty`	`What actor message would i use to have something happen when an actor takes damage from a certain effect?`
`18:42.20`	`JManV\|Work`	`maybe look at immortal?`
`18:42.35`	`Bounty`	`why immortal?`
`18:42.43`	`JManV\|Work`	`immortal has a shield actor when it's shield takes damage`
`18:43.02`	`JManV\|Work`	`my guess is its a damage response effect, which triggers the actor`
`18:43.05`	`Bounty`	`yeah but does that trigger from a certain damage effect?`
`18:43.17`	`JManV\|Work`	`i don't believe so`
`18:43.28`	`Bounty`	`well thats what i need :)`
`18:43.29`	`JManV\|Work`	`just any damage, so long as he still has shields`
`18:43.38`	`JManV\|Work`	`which is probably a validator on the effect`
`18:43.45`	`Bounty`	`yeah`
`18:44.36`	`JManV\|Work`	`hardened shields might also be a behavior. i'm not sure if it shows up in the buffs or not`
`18:45.30`	`JManV\|Work`	`(don't have the editor open)`
`18:45.45`	`JademusSreg`	`It's certainly a behavior.`
`18:45.56`	`Bounty`	`well`
`18:46.01`	`Bounty`	`i can do Effect Impact`
`18:46.02`	`A1win`	`ugh, actually I don't think dialogs can be moved individually either`
`18:46.10`	`Bounty`	`but it wont let me specify the effect....`
`18:46.19`	`Bounty`	`and i REALLY dont want to put this in triggers`
`18:46.28`	`Bounty`	`bc this would be firing alot`
`18:46.28`	`A1win`	`so I need to make the button dialog larger as well and just move the buttons inside it <.<`
`18:46.33`	`A1win`	`I guess a panel would be useful`
`18:47.51`	`JManV\|Work`	`you shouldn't have to do it in triggers`
`18:48.03`	`Bounty`	`nobody seems to know how though lol`
`18:48.15`	`Bounty`	`i mean, i see the damn actor messages`
`18:48.17`	`Bounty`	`Effect`
`18:48.19`	`JManV\|Work`	`now you've gone and made me open the editor`
`18:48.19`	`Bounty`	`Unit Damaged`
`18:48.21`	`Bounty`	`and Damage`
`18:48.26`	`Bounty`	`but u cant specify`
`18:48.32`	`Bounty`	`good <3`
`18:48.55`	`JManV\|Work`	`those are the names of effects i think`
`18:49.21`	`Bounty`	`hmm?`
`18:49.24`	`JManV\|Work`	`so it's saying if that effect fires, use the source unit of the effect`
`18:49.40`	`JManV\|Work`	`you need something else to fire the effect`
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`18:49.50`	`Bounty`	`Unit Damaged?`
`18:50.01`	`JManV\|Work`	`hold on`
`18:50.13`	`JManV\|Work`	`i renamed my mod and this stupid thing is taking forever to load`
`18:50.23`	`JManV\|Work`	`a bazillion invalid trigger references`
`18:50.39`	`JManV\|Work`	`that's actually the exact number`
`18:50.42`	`JManV\|Work`	`1 bazillion`
`18:51.19`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`18:51.38`	`*** join/#sc2mapster SixTwo (SixTwo@dhcp-077-251-255-225.chello.nl)`
`18:52.35`	`JademusSreg`	`Pretty sure that's what comes after a zillion.`
`18:52.43`	`JManV\|Work`	`ok`
`18:53.23`	`JManV\|Work`	`look at the actor: Shield absorb immortal viz`
`18:53.33`	`JManV\|Work`	`the actor events`
`18:53.51`	`JManV\|Work`	`it's on behavior - hardened shields - damage handled`
`18:54.00`	`JManV\|Work`	`because that behavior has a damage response`
`18:54.18`	`Bounty`	`huh lol`
`18:55.35`	`Bounty`	`not sure how that applies to what i want to do`
`18:55.36`	`JManV\|Work`	`make a dummy behavior - buff`
`18:55.40`	`Bounty`	`i did`
`18:55.47`	`JManV\|Work`	`give it a damage response`
`18:55.54`	`JManV\|Work`	`you'll need to change the change and the kind`
`18:55.57`	`JManV\|Work`	`chance`
`18:55.59`	`JManV\|Work`	`chance = 1`
`18:56.08`	`JManV\|Work`	`kind = whatever you want it to respond to`
`18:56.10`	`JManV\|Work`	`prolly all`
`18:56.29`	`Bounty`	`grr`
`18:56.31`	`Bounty`	`there are like`
`18:56.32`	`Bounty`	`50 fields`
`18:56.37`	`JManV\|Work`	`i don't htink it actually needs to do anything`
`18:56.39`	`Bounty`	`for damag response lol`
`18:57.01`	`JManV\|Work`	`chance is at the very top`
`18:57.17`	`Bounty`	`thats all i gotta do?`
`18:57.33`	`JManV\|Work`	`and the kind`
`18:57.38`	`JManV\|Work`	`near the middle`
`18:57.56`	`JManV\|Work`	`looks like they might be all enabled by default anyways`
`18:58.07`	`Bounty`	`n it will trigger when an effect of that type occurs?`
`18:58.33`	`JManV\|Work`	`in your actor event, add: behavior > dummy buff > damage handled`
`18:58.38`	`JManV\|Work`	`create`
`18:58.50`	`Bounty`	`yeah i got that but i dont understand how the damage effect will apply that behavior`
`18:59.06`	`JManV\|Work`	`there's no effect`
`18:59.14`	`JManV\|Work`	`add the behavior to the unit`
`18:59.26`	`Bounty`	`how?`
`18:59.39`	`JManV\|Work`	`the same way you add any behavior to a unit... ?`
`18:59.47`	`Bounty`	`ive been using triggers`
`18:59.48`	`JManV\|Work`	`unit > behavior - behaviors +`
`18:59.51`	`Bounty`	`which is the entire problem`
`18:59.54`	`JManV\|Work`	`oh`
`19:00.00`	`JManV\|Work`	`go to the unit in the data editor`
`19:00.08`	`JManV\|Work`	`add the behavior to behavior - behaviors +`
`19:00.13`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`19:00.14`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha`
`19:00.16`	`Bounty`	`....`
`19:00.20`	`JManV\|Work`	`by clicking the green X and then find it`
`19:00.20`	`Bounty`	`that wont work at all`
`19:00.31`	`JManV\|Work`	`you don't want it all the time?`
`19:00.34`	`Bounty`	`the effects i want apply when this behavior happens`
`19:00.37`	`Bounty`	`exactly`
`19:00.49`	`JManV\|Work`	`then you need to add the behavior with an effect`
`19:00.51`	`Bounty`	`only when damaged`
`19:01.06`	`Bounty`	`ok well, this damage effect i use wont let me`
`19:01.09`	`Bounty`	`so how would i do that`
`19:01.33`	`JManV\|Work`	`ok, slow down`
`19:01.41`	`Bounty`	`NOU`
`19:01.48`	`JManV\|Work`	`you want it to be only when damaged, but every time they are damaged, right?`
`19:01.55`	`Bounty`	`yeah`
`19:02.04`	`JManV\|Work`	`then just add it to the unit the way i said`
`19:02.04`	`Bounty`	`from this effect`
`19:02.12`	`JManV\|Work`	`oh`
`19:02.15`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`19:02.31`	`JManV\|Work`	`i thought you wanted all attacks, not jsut one effect`
`19:02.50`	`Bounty`	`nope, just one effect`
`19:02.50`	`JManV\|Work`	`why not trigger your actor on the effect that applies to the unit?`
`19:02.55`	`Bounty`	`this doesnt even seem worth it`
`19:02.58`	`Bounty`	`let me show u something`
`19:03.10`	`Bounty`	`event`
`19:03.11`	`Bounty`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:03.17`	`JManV\|Work`	`it's not, i was trying to capture every attack`
`19:03.17`	`Bounty`	`action`
`19:03.18`	`Bounty`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:03.26`	`Bounty`	`that doesnt seem taht big of an issue right?`
`19:03.29`	`Bounty`	`thats all it is`
`19:03.32`	`JManV\|Work`	`oh jeez`
`19:03.43`	`JManV\|Work`	`use a set effect`
`19:04.01`	`JManV\|Work`	`to do damage and apply a behavior`
`19:04.07`	`*** join/#sc2mapster MrOp (MrOp@76.76.73.7)`
`19:04.14`	`Bibendus`	`oh cmon sixen`
`19:04.14`	`Bibendus`	`is no longer away : Gone for 2 hours 59 minutes 37 seconds`
`19:04.17`	`Bibendus`	`where are the real news`
`19:04.17`	`Bibendus`	`:P`
`19:04.37`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha`
`19:04.41`	`MrOp`	`hi`
`19:04.48`	`JManV\|Work`	`he's hiding something from us...`
`19:05.09`	`Bibendus`	`the secret image?`
`19:05.17`	`JManV\|Work`	`yeah`
`19:05.19`	`Bounty`	`JMAn`
`19:05.24`	`Bounty`	`set doesnt let me use behaviors`
`19:05.55`	`JManV\|Work`	`you need another effect`
`19:06.05`	`JManV\|Work`	`i'd tell you want kind but my editor is lagging hardcore`
`19:06.17`	`Bounty`	`what about just an apply behavior effect?`
`19:06.19`	`JManV\|Work`	`apply behavior`
`19:06.24`	`JManV\|Work`	`yeah, that`
`19:06.32`	`Bounty`	`i see two fields`
`19:06.36`	`Bounty`	`Unit - Unit Value`
`19:06.38`	`Bounty`	`Unit - Unit Effect`
`19:06.41`	`JManV\|Work`	`but you can use a set to combine the damage and the apply behavior into one`
`19:06.43`	`Bounty`	`i assume for value i put target`
`19:06.49`	`Bounty`	`and Effect i put the flame thrower`
`19:07.03`	`JManV\|Work`	`yes, target`
`19:07.21`	`JManV\|Work`	`effect?`
`19:07.25`	`Bounty`	`yeah`
`19:07.26`	`JManV\|Work`	`on an apply behavior?`
`19:07.26`	`Bounty`	`it says`
`19:07.33`	`Bounty`	`Unit - Unit Effect`
`19:07.44`	`JManV\|Work`	`??`
`19:07.49`	`JManV\|Work`	`there is no such field`
`19:07.56`	`Bounty`	`um`
`19:07.59`	`Bounty`	`im looking at it right now`
`19:08.08`	`JManV\|Work`	`on an apply behavior effect?`
`19:08.12`	`Bounty`	`yes`
`19:08.14`	`JManV\|Work`	`there should be behavior - behavior`
`19:08.27`	`JManV\|Work`	`oh`
`19:08.39`	`JManV\|Work`	`(none)`
`19:08.47`	`JManV\|Work`	`and turn all your buttons on up top`
`19:08.52`	`JManV\|Work`	`that row of 5 buttons`
`19:08.53`	`Bounty`	`its not working btw`
`19:09.01`	`Bounty`	`i think its bc this damage effect is an area effect`
`19:09.06`	`JManV\|Work`	`oh`
`19:09.23`	`JManV\|Work`	`then you have a search area that fires a damage effect?`
`19:09.27`	`Bounty`	`i should have said that shouldnt i?`
`19:09.28`	`Bounty`	`nope`
`19:09.32`	`Bounty`	`just one effect`
`19:09.33`	`Bounty`	`damage`
`19:09.42`	`JManV\|Work`	`then how does it effect an area?`
`19:09.48`	`Bounty`	`in short`
`19:09.53`	`Bounty`	`its the Raynor Grenade Damage effect`
`19:10.02`	`Bounty`	`slightly modified and renamed`
`19:10.48`	`JManV\|Work`	`oh ok`
`19:10.50`	`JManV\|Work`	`hold on`
`19:11.40`	`JManV\|Work`	`i don't think that will work`
`19:11.46`	`Bounty`	`?`
`19:11.50`	`JManV\|Work`	`i think you'll have to divide it into two effects`
`19:11.59`	`JManV\|Work`	`a search area that fires a set`
`19:12.14`	`JManV\|Work`	`and the set has the damage and the flame in it`
`19:12.32`	`JManV\|Work`	`and you'd remove the search - area+ from the damage effect`
`19:12.39`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`19:12.43`	`Bounty`	`oh boy...`
`19:12.52`	`JManV\|Work`	`because you can't fire another effect from that damage effect`
`19:13.05`	`JManV\|Work`	`search areas are super easy and also awesome`
`19:13.36`	`JManV\|Work`	`it basically works just like the search - area+ in the damage effect, except it can fire an effect as a result`
`19:13.37`	`Mexa`	`hmm.. there's ice on my cheese`
`19:13.46`	`MrOp`	`funny cat video.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JynBEX_kg8&feature=related`
`19:14.09`	`JManV\|Work`	`anyways, i thought the data editor was your bitch :P`
`19:14.17`	`JManV\|Work`	`brb`
`19:14.27`	`Bounty`	`it was my bitch`
`19:14.28`	`Bounty`	`yesterday`
`19:14.35`	`JManV\|Work`	`nvm`
`19:14.52`	`JManV\|Work`	`seach area > set > damage & apply behavior`
`19:14.56`	`Mexa`	`MrOP, it's a classic`
`19:15.04`	`Mexa`	`funny nevertheless`
`19:15.04`	`JManV\|Work`	`that's pretty tame as far as data chains go :P`
`19:15.34`	`Mexa`	`I am the data editors bitch, and I am doing everything wrong..`
`19:17.26`	`Bounty`	`meh i dont think it matters neways JMan`
`19:17.31`	`Bounty`	`im going to have to do a trigger with that event`
`19:17.39`	`Bounty`	`to check if the unit is jumping or not`
`19:17.57`	`JManV\|Work`	`you can add a buff when he's jumping and remove it when he's not`
`19:18.08`	`JManV\|Work`	`and use a validator to check for said buff`
`19:18.53`	`JManV\|Work`	`these are good things to know how to do`
`19:19.18`	`JManV\|Work`	`and when dealing with damage response, can have a huge performance boost vs triggers`
`19:19.30`	`Mexa`	`Is there some sort of status away command in this chat?`
`19:19.37`	`Bounty`	`yeah but the event is specified`
`19:19.41`	`Bounty`	`itw ont fire for any other effect`
`19:19.58`	`A1win`	`Trigger Error in 'gt_Init_Func': Event response function 'EventDialogControl' has no matching event`
`19:20.00`	`JManV\|Work`	`that's about it :P`
`19:20.01`	`A1win`	`what's that`
`19:20.02`	`Mexa`	`hmm`
`19:20.03`	`Mexa`	`how`
`19:20.13`	`JManV\|Work`	`i think some people use 3rd party softwares`
`19:20.23`	`JManV\|Work`	`maybe their clients have away functionalities`
`19:20.46`	`Mexa`	`what about you?`
`19:20.48`	`A1win`	`ah nvm`
`19:21.09`	`JManV\|Work`	`i just change my nick to away`
`19:21.15`	`JManV\|Work`	`or i don't`
`19:21.25`	`JManV\|Work`	`kicks JManV\|DedZ in da hed.`
`19:21.36`	`Mexa`	`Yeah but I don't know how to do that either :P`
`19:21.37`	`JManV\|Work`	`that's me going to be last night :P`
`19:21.59`	`JManV\|Work`	`i guess i've just never cared enough to look :P`
`19:23.37`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Mexa\|Lurking (504ed86a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.78.216.106)`
`19:23.53`	`Mexa\|Lurking`	`Disconnecting and rejoining is probably not what I am after.`
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`19:24.13`	`JManV\|Work`	`what are you after exactly?`
`19:24.43`	`Mexa\|Lurking`	`Changing my name`
`19:25.10`	`Mexa\|Lurking`	`I mean, can I change my name without disconnecting?`
`19:25.44`	`JManV\|Work`	`yeah`
`19:25.48`	`JManV\|Work`	`'/nick`
`19:25.52`	`JManV\|Work`	`without the '`
`19:26.11`	`Mexa\|Lurking`	`Ah`
`19:26.12`	`Mexa\|Lurking`	`Thanks`
`19:26.37`	`JManV\|IsCool`	`hmmm`
`19:26.41`	`JManV\|IsCool`	`there is an away command`
`19:26.53`	`JManV\|IsCool`	`'/help away`
`19:27.09`	`JManV\|IsCool`	`test`
`19:27.30`	`JManV\|IsCool`	`'/back brings you back`
`19:27.37`	`Mexa`	`Sweet`
`19:28.03`	`JManV\|IsCool`	`you can do '/help' to see all the irc commands`
`19:28.10`	`Mexa`	`Yeah I saw that`
`19:28.26`	`JManV\|IsCool`	`but i learned something new :P`
`19:28.40`	`JManV\|IsCool`	`hey JManV\|IsCool`
`19:28.50`	`Mexa`	`.__?`
`19:28.51`	`JManV\|IsCool`	`aww. it didn't tell me i was away`
`19:28.54`	`JManV\|IsCool`	`hey Mexa`
`19:29.07`	`JManV\|IsCool`	`prolly just with /msg`
`19:29.16`	`Mexa`	`oh`
`19:29.25`	`Mexa`	`So my away actually isn't visibe?`
`19:29.29`	`JManV\|IsCool`	`* [JManV\|IsCool] is away (F U)`
`19:29.31`	`JManV\|IsCool`	`:P`
`19:29.53`	`JManV\|IsCool`	`it greys out your name in the list`
`19:30.12`	`Mexa`	`Really?`
`19:30.18`	`Mexa`	`All I see is black`
`19:30.22`	`Mexa`	`And everyone is black`
`19:30.30`	`JademusSreg`	`Hah.`
`19:30.31`	`JManV\|IsCool`	`well, it does for me`
`19:30.39`	`JManV\|IsCool`	`<Mexa> And everyone is black`
`19:30.41`	`JManV\|IsCool`	`:P`
`19:30.49`	`Mexa`	`lol`
`19:31.07`	`JManV\|IsCool`	`taken out of context... :)`
`19:31.20`	`Mexa`	`I was right about to reply that`
`19:31.46`	`Mexa`	`Well anyways, I am going to fry up some hamburgers`
`19:31.55`	`Mexa`	`ttul`
`19:32.05`	`Mexa`	`or maybe it is ttyl`
`19:35.09`	`Bibendus`	`is now away - Reason : Auto-Away after 30 minutes`
`19:38.33`	`JManV\|IsCool`	`i think it's "ittybal", as in "i'll talk to your bitch ass later"`
`19:38.33`	`A1win`	`phew that took a while, but now the inventories are global dialogs as well, and only their content adjusted per player`
`19:39.02`	`A1win`	`the item buttons are still created separately for each player though... but that's easier since I can just delete them and recreate to refresh the list`
`19:39.25`	`A1win`	`though I guess it'd work just to hide the ones that have no item in them :E`
`19:40.43`	`JManV\|IsCool`	`meh. 6 one way half a dozen another`
`19:41.02`	`A1win`	`hehe`
`19:41.26`	`A1win`	`but that'd reduce the number of dialog item variables from 6x30 to 30`
`19:41.53`	`A1win`	`but well, not that important for now`
`19:41.57`	`A1win`	`can tweak it later if I feel like it`
`19:42.18`	`egod`	`l`
`19:42.25`	`Bounty`	`so`
`19:42.40`	`Bounty`	`is there a way to compare an attacks mover with the damaged units mover`
`19:42.42`	`Bounty`	`in data`
`19:43.21`	`JManV\|IsCool`	`?`
`19:43.28`	`JManV\|IsCool`	`mover?`
`19:43.31`	`Bounty`	`yeah`
`19:43.32`	`Bounty`	`like`
`19:43.33`	`Bounty`	`Ground`
`19:43.34`	`Bounty`	`Fly`
`19:43.36`	`Bounty`	`etc`
`19:43.42`	`Bounty`	`to make sure they both have the same mover`
`19:43.50`	`Bounty`	`bc thats how my jump works, i swap movers`
`19:44.46`	`JManV\|IsCool`	`does that actually work?`
`19:44.51`	`JManV\|IsCool`	`i was told once that it didn't`
`19:45.03`	`JManV\|IsCool`	`if i remember correctly, i tried and it didn't work`
`19:45.08`	`Bounty`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48VstfozD8E&feature=player_embedded`
`19:45.14`	`JManV\|IsCool`	`how do you switch the mover?`
`19:45.18`	`Bounty`	`upgrades`
`19:45.20`	`JManV\|IsCool`	`i've seen the vid`
`19:45.25`	`Bounty`	`thats a new one`
`19:45.28`	`JManV\|IsCool`	`interesting...`
`19:45.33`	`A1win`	`JManV\|IsCool, I tested it now: setting a tooltip for a dialog item image prevents mouse interaction through it`
`19:45.44`	`Bounty`	`shows how audible taunts and positional audio will work`
`19:45.48`	`Bounty`	`=P`
`19:46.02`	`JManV\|IsCool`	`hah, i made you type that i was cool :P`
`19:46.13`	`A1win`	`I didn't ;>`
`19:46.13`	`JManV\|IsCool`	`also, that's awesome`
`19:46.17`	`JManV\|IsCool`	`autocomplete?`
`19:46.22`	`A1win`	`mm`
`19:46.29`	`JManV\|IsCool`	`autocomplete would never lie :P`
`19:46.53`	`Bounty`	`whats a brotha gotta do to get newsed up in here`
`19:47.02`	`Bounty`	`not even Bibendus got newsed lol`
`19:47.18`	`A1win`	`so now I can have all the mechs in the base highlightable by all players, except players viewing their mech`
`19:47.38`	`A1win`	`hmm I might want to prevent clicking mechs through the mission GUI as well`
`19:48.06`	`Mexa`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPjv5gIUeU8 interesting documentary`
`19:48.34`	`Mexa`	`If you ahve 1 hour at spare, that is`
`19:49.40`	`JademusSreg`	`What's it about?`
`19:50.29`	`Mexa`	`Science`
`19:50.39`	`Mexa`	`The tags say The Secret Life of Chaos chaos theory science physics geometry mathematics evolution nature fractals natural world Mandelbrot set self similarity complex systems butterfly effect order from chaos`
`19:51.21`	`Mexa`	`But mostly about the chaos theory`
`19:51.24`	`Mexa`	`I gues`
`19:51.24`	`JademusSreg`	`I just want to know if it is good or bullshit.`
`19:51.25`	`Mexa`	`s`
`19:51.40`	`Mexa`	`Well, I can't tell you that can I?`
`19:51.55`	`Mexa`	`But as I am watching, it's not bullshit`
`19:52.33`	`Mexa`	`I guess it all involves history, physics, biology and chemistry, all together`
`19:54.01`	`JademusSreg`	`Any new-age crystal-waving astro-charting quantum-babbling mystic twat can add a tag, I'd just like a heads up if it is quality material before I click the link. =)`
`19:54.38`	`egod`	`who is Xinghai`
`19:54.49`	`Mexa`	`It's a BBC documentary, I'm not sure what to say`
`19:54.58`	`Mexa`	`It's quality material`
`19:55.14`	`egod`	`chinise website thing im Xinghai`
`19:55.17`	`egod`	`think`
`19:55.40`	`JademusSreg`	`Good. =D I mean, when some links to a documentary on youtube, I assume it's either about conspiracy theories or some pseudoscience nonsense.`
`19:55.55`	`Mexa`	`oh`
`19:55.59`	`A1win`	`http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/mech/Screenshot2011-03-18%2021_55_00.jpg`
`19:56.03`	`Mexa`	`No, this is not about abstract sciense`
`19:56.04`	`A1win`	`http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/mech/Screenshot2011-03-18%2021_55_08.jpg`
`19:56.07`	`JademusSreg`	`I'll check it out when I have some time.`
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`19:56.33`	`Mexa`	`:)`
`19:56.51`	`JademusSreg`	`Coool.`
`19:56.51`	`Mexa`	`Oh yeah, obviously also involves mathematics`
`19:56.57`	`A1win`	`I think I should put an actual GUI button for the upgrading, otherwise it might be too confusing to first find yourself in the hall`
`19:57.00`	`JademusSreg`	`Looking good.`
`19:57.18`	`A1win`	`clicking another playr opens trade to that player, and clicking your own mech opens the upgrade gui`
`19:57.32`	`A1win`	`(the second picture, which is still missing the actual gui)`
`19:57.42`	`A1win`	`hmm`
`19:58.27`	`A1win`	`and a button for browsing the contacts`
`19:58.38`	`A1win`	`maybe two buttons next to each other at top center of the screen`
`19:58.47`	`wOlfLinG`	`EU Map Night right now: http://www.livestream.com/wOlfLinG?t=122978`
`19:58.48`	`JademusSreg`	`I'm not averse to science content; I'm averse to nonsense that pretends to be science. Homeopathy, anti-vaxers, and so forth.`
`19:59.06`	`egod`	`hahahahaha i found who she is...http://www.7easylife.info/celebrities/starcraft-2-sexy-show-girl-xing-hai-mei-angel-shen-anqi.html`
`19:59.07`	`Mexa`	`Oh yay`
`19:59.09`	`wOlfLinG`	`Have a look :D`
`19:59.14`	`Mexa`	`I'm coming in 30min or something`
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`19:59.43`	`JademusSreg`	`That chick is too thin.`
`20:00.03`	`TheAlmaity`	`sixen or anyone else that knows how to news a stream here?`
`20:00.25`	`JademusSreg`	`Has all the appeal of a prepubescent Gap mannequine.`
`20:00.40`	`slightlyrandom`	`Skinny-ass bitch, that one`
`20:00.52`	`egod`	`alll those chinise think this girl is me and im making diablo sc2 map....wtf`
`20:01.01`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha`
`20:01.03`	`egod`	`i receive 3x e-mail`
`20:01.06`	`egod`	`in chinise`
`20:02.26`	`JManV\|IsCool`	`that giant gauss rifle is awesome`
`20:03.24`	`egod`	`anyway`
`20:03.26`	`Sixen`	`News a stream om mapsteR?`
`20:04.16`	`JManV\|IsCool`	`he's prolly looking to get the EU map night up`
`20:04.49`	`JManV\|IsCool`	`cuz he's awesome like that`
`20:05.04`	`TheAlmaity`	`Sixen, map night stream is up, news plz`
`20:06.04`	`Hati`	`chinese ppl didn't had starcraft2 yet oO?`
`20:06.35`	`wOlfLinG`	`Thanks Sixen`
`20:06.40`	`Sixen`	`np`
`20:06.44`	`TheAlmaity`	`thx sixen`
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`20:09.46`	`mexa_`	`Oh it be silly...`
`20:10.36`	`mexa_`	`Lol, there we go.`
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`20:35.07`	`Ashamed_`	`woot 1 more hour`
`20:55.14`	`JManV\|IsCool`	`is it possible to add an option to the top menu?`
`20:56.21`	`A1win`	`mmh that's weird, my map started crashing the game if I relaunch it when the game is already running, but not if it isn't`
`20:56.34`	`Motive`	`So I had a very`
`20:56.38`	`Motive`	`odd experience today while driving.`
`20:56.39`	`A1win`	`test document, that is`
`20:57.03`	`Motive`	`I was making a left onto my street when I passed a car with the same make, model, year, color, upgrades, on the other side of the road.`
`20:57.07`	`Motive`	`And when I looked at their license plate`
`20:57.09`	`Motive`	`I swore it was mine`
`20:57.15`	`Motive`	`and for a moment I thought I was somehow in the wrong car`
`20:57.20`	`Motive`	`before I realized that our license plates are off by 1 letter`
`20:57.25`	`Motive`	`that is easily mistaken`
`20:57.35`	`Motive`	`It was an interesting moment. Our cars are brothers now though.`
`21:00.50`	`*** join/#sc2mapster onetwo (ae070b69@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.7.11.105)`
`21:00.50`	`*** mode/#sc2mapster [+v onetwo] by ChanServ`
`21:00.58`	`Demo`	`WELCOME ONE TWO`
`21:01.17`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`hey`
`21:01.27`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`you know the 'display screen button' action ?`
`21:01.33`	`Demo`	`yes`
`21:01.34`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`can you treat it like a dialog or dialog item`
`21:01.38`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`cause i want to hide it`
`21:01.40`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`for players`
`21:01.42`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`certain ones`
`21:01.42`	`Demo`	`let me check how I use it`
`21:01.46`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`k`
`21:01.47`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`sweet`
`21:01.51`	`MrOp`	`hello`
`21:03.01`	`A1win`	`anyone had this problem before? the game crashes every time I do Test Document if the game is already running`
`21:03.05`	`Demo`	`Hmm I misunderstood what screen button meant, I guess I'm not using them :( I'm using custom menu`
`21:03.12`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`whats that`
`21:03.36`	`Demo`	`it's basically the menu you get when you press esc`
`21:03.43`	`Demo`	`but with different buttons`
`21:03.52`	`Demo`	`that you can rename and run with triggers`
`21:04.37`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:04.39`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`im trying to do that`
`21:04.50`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`by default, screen buttons cant be set to certain players`
`21:04.55`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`but im wondering if i store it in a dialog item var`
`21:04.58`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`i can hide it then`
`21:05.51`	`Demo`	`um`
`21:05.52`	`Demo`	`here`
`21:05.53`	`Demo`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:06.17`	`Demo`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:06.26`	`Demo`	`you pick what buttons you want to show`
`21:06.29`	`Demo`	`per player`
`21:06.33`	`Demo`	`you title them`
`21:06.36`	`Demo`	`and then show game menu`
`21:06.54`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`now what does how do I play do?`
`21:06.56`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`when clicked?`
`21:06.59`	`Demo`	`and you can pick what buttons show for which player, however some buttons cannot be hiddn`
`21:07.19`	`Demo`	`it opens a dialog`
`21:07.22`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`ah`
`21:07.22`	`Demo`	`that shows how to play`
`21:07.25`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`so after that its upt to us`
`21:07.26`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`to`
`21:07.29`	`Demo`	`yes`
`21:07.31`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`cool`
`21:07.37`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`so youre customizing the F10 menu?`
`21:07.42`	`Demo`	`yes and no`
`21:07.49`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`well where is generic button 1`
`21:07.50`	`Demo`	`pressing f10 brings up the normal menu`
`21:07.50`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`going to show`
`21:08.00`	`Demo`	`you have to bind your own menu`
`21:08.09`	`Demo`	`I have it bound to G`
`21:08.09`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`oh`
`21:08.14`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`so people have to know that then?`
`21:08.22`	`Demo`	`I have no game ui`
`21:08.26`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`oh`
`21:08.45`	`Demo`	`and theres a dialog item named "Game Menu"`
`21:08.50`	`Demo`	`and it opens by pressing G`
`21:09.16`	`Demo`	`I dunno, I tried editing the actual game menu, it doesn't really let you do anything`
`21:09.52`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`oh`
`21:10.37`	`Demo`	`I'm assuming it's because blizz doesn't want you to be able to stop people from leaving`
`21:11.07`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`not in my house`
`21:11.15`	`Demo`	`NOT IN THIS DOJO`
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`21:17.38`	`DrHu`	`hey, does anyone know how to move that mic and friend list frame in the layout?`
`21:21.03`	`JManV\|DedZ`	`<3 convertibles :P`
`21:23.57`	`A1win`	`wooo now that I have the Contacts and Upgrades buttons on the base GUI, it feels way more intuitive to use than it did before`
`21:24.18`	`A1win`	`because now I can return to the overview from upgrade view by clicking the close button instead of opening a mission and closing that :P`
`21:24.25`	`A1win`	`*in addition to`
`21:24.46`	`A1win`	`and I don't need to click my mech to bring up the upgrade GUI, though I can still do that as well`
`21:25.43`	`JManV\|DedZ`	`found an NA publisher yet? :P`
`21:26.23`	`A1win`	`there's a queue for the interview`
`21:26.27`	`JManV`	`i must play :P`
`21:26.39`	`A1win`	`http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/mech/Screenshot2011-03-18%2023_24_45.jpg`
`21:26.41`	`A1win`	`http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/mech/Screenshot2011-03-18%2023_24_49.jpg`
`21:26.59`	`JManV`	`that looks really f-ing good, man`
`21:27.03`	`A1win`	`and imagine a nice camera zoom in/out when pressing the upgrades/close button`
`21:27.31`	`JManV`	`normally i see something like that, and all i see are things i would change`
`21:27.35`	`JManV`	`but that looks awesome`
`21:27.49`	`A1win`	`oops just noticed the pulldown menu is too short in the cargo inventory`
`21:28.16`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`awesome a1win`
`21:28.42`	`JManV`	`is it my eyes, or is the top or bottom dialogs not centered?`
`21:28.53`	`JManV`	`i think its my eyes`
`21:29.03`	`A1win`	`your eyes`
`21:29.08`	`A1win`	`the door is not centered`
`21:29.20`	`JManV`	`no`
`21:29.24`	`JManV`	`on the second one`
`21:29.32`	`A1win`	`oh`
`21:29.36`	`A1win`	`there the mech isn't centered :P`
`21:29.37`	`JManV`	`something about the limited text on the close butotn makes it look off-center`
`21:29.51`	`JManV`	`maybe that's it`
`21:30.13`	`A1win`	`the game menu in top left also unbalances it a bit`
`21:30.36`	`JManV`	`it looks awesome anyways`
`21:30.53`	`A1win`	`anyway that's 4:3 aspect ratio`
`21:30.57`	`A1win`	`looks better with 16:9`
`21:31.03`	`A1win`	`or more centered :P`
`21:31.23`	`JManV`	`i think its an artifact of it being a static image`
`21:31.35`	`JManV`	`versus a living envirnment`
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`21:33.34`	`JManV`	`anyways i must play`
`21:33.37`	`JManV`	`MUST!`
`21:34.07`	`JManV`	`i'd offer to host if i had any space to offer... :P`
`21:34.24`	`A1win`	`hehe`
`21:34.38`	`JManV`	`i mean, i have space in the short term, but not in the long term`
`21:38.49`	`JManV`	`there was something i wanted to ask you onetwo, but i don't remember what now`
`21:38.55`	`JManV`	`couldn't have been that important, i guess`
`21:40.27`	`JManV`	`i know i /did/ want to steal prisoner rebellion from you :P`
`21:40.35`	`MrOp`	`does anyone know what a good sound equip sound`
`21:40.46`	`MrOp`	`like switching weapons`
`21:40.56`	`A1win`	`mmf the mechs are walking partially through each other inside the base`
`21:41.05`	`MrOp`	`anyone`
`21:41.12`	`JManV`	`not offhand`
`21:41.28`	`MrOp`	`any idea where to even look`
`21:41.31`	`MrOp`	`or what to look at`
`21:41.37`	`JManV`	`i'm thinking odins startup sound maybe, or maybe something from the special mission`
`21:41.45`	`MrOp`	`k`
`21:41.48`	`MrOp`	`txhs`
`21:42.01`	`JManV`	`think the mechanical units`
`21:42.10`	`JManV`	`thor, odin, goliath`
`21:42.16`	`JManV`	`might have some sounds`
`21:42.16`	`MrOp`	`k`
`21:42.22`	`A1win`	`err... my map crashes if I quit it`
`21:42.33`	`MrOp`	`Oo`
`21:42.38`	`JManV`	`never quit? :P`
`21:42.44`	`JManV`	`EVER!!!!`
`21:42.48`	`A1win`	`let's see if disabling my player leaves trigger helps`
`21:42.50`	`JManV`	`MUAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA`
`21:43.10`	`A1win`	`nope >_>`
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`21:44.09`	`Vexal`	`..`
`21:45.08`	`JManV`	`you don't say?`
`21:45.33`	`MrOp`	`hay vex`
`21:45.40`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`hey Vexal`
`21:45.45`	`A1win`	`I mean the game crashes to access violation if I quit the map :s`
`21:45.46`	`Vexal`	`hello.`
`21:45.53`	`JManV`	`access violation?`
`21:46.01`	`JManV`	`using banks?`
`21:46.05`	`A1win`	`nope`
`21:46.09`	`A1win`	`I mean memory access`
`21:46.14`	`JManV`	`hmmm`
`21:46.15`	`A1win`	`ACCESS_VIOLATION (0xC0000005)`
`21:46.15`	`A1win`	`occurred at 0023:00000000. The memory at '0x00000000' could not be executed.`
`21:46.22`	`JManV`	`yikes`
`21:46.30`	`JManV`	`you're doing something wrong? :P`
`21:46.41`	`A1win`	`I wonder what ;p`
`21:47.18`	`JManV`	`oh, you wanted something more specific?`
`21:47.30`	`A1win`	`;I`
`21:47.33`	`JManV`	`what about arrays?`
`21:47.38`	`JManV`	`are you going out of bounds?`
`21:47.55`	`A1win`	`I disabled my init function and it didn't crash anymore`
`21:47.59`	`A1win`	`so yeah it's a script issue`
`21:48.13`	`A1win`	`dum dum`
`21:48.15`	`JManV`	`i'm sure`
`21:48.26`	`A1win`	`but why does it crash when I quit...`
`21:48.28`	`JManV`	`i think array bounds is the most likely culprit`
`21:48.32`	`A1win`	`yeah`
`21:48.47`	`JManV`	`also, when did it start happening, and what did you change in that range of time?`
`21:49.14`	`A1win`	`changed all my per player inventory dialogs into global dialogs I think`
`21:49.27`	`JManV`	`oh`
`21:49.37`	`JManV`	`so less arrays?`
`21:49.38`	`A1win`	`hmm`
`21:49.48`	`JManV`	`that seems counter-intuitive`
`21:49.56`	`A1win`	`maybe it tries to update some part of the UI after I've left`
`21:49.59`	`JManV`	`is anything else an array`
`21:50.12`	`A1win`	`well there still are arrays`
`21:50.16`	`JManV`	`like my dialogs, tho global, still need per-player data storage`
`21:50.21`	`A1win`	`and I changed the way it uses them so might have done something`
`21:50.28`	`JManV`	`which might be a new element since refactoring`
`21:51.23`	`JManV`	`like I have a record, Global Confirm Dialog, and a bool array, Player Confirm Selection`
`21:51.39`	`JManV`	`maybe one of those arrays isn't big enough?`
`21:52.06`	`JManV`	`although, you only have 1 player right now...`
`21:52.22`	`JManV`	`so even with an array size of 1, it shouldn't go out of bounds`
`21:53.12`	`A1win`	`actually I have 6 players because there's 6 computers`
`21:53.37`	`A1win`	`but it dosn't make sense that it crashes when I quit and there are no errors before that D:`
`21:53.54`	`A1win`	`hmm`
`21:54.01`	`A1win`	`maybe it is those computer players that are the problem`
`21:54.03`	`JManV`	`well memory errors don't always pop up right away`
`21:54.14`	`JManV`	`the memory has to be used for something first`
`21:54.17`	`A1win`	`nope still crashing when I disabled them`
`21:54.54`	`A1win`	`well the trigger debugger gives error if an array goes out of bounds`
`21:54.58`	`A1win`	`it shouldn't cause the game to crash`
`21:55.28`	`JManV`	`yeah`
`21:55.38`	`JManV`	`thats not absolute, however :P`
`21:55.38`	`A1win`	`I'll check if the backup crashes that had no global dialogs yet`
`21:56.05`	`JManV`	`i don't know what else could cause an error like that`
`21:56.11`	`A1win`	`yeah it doesn't crash...`
`21:56.22`	`JManV`	`disable your inits in sections?`
`21:56.32`	`A1win`	`mmh`
`21:57.02`	`JademusSreg`	`Cooking dinner.`
`21:57.05`	`JademusSreg`	`What's up?`
`21:57.14`	`JManV`	`map night in 2 hours!`
`21:57.21`	`JademusSreg`	`Cool.`
`21:57.24`	`A1win`	`I'm getting an access violation crash when I quit my map ;p`
`21:57.31`	`JademusSreg`	`Neato.`
`21:57.53`	`A1win`	`ah narrowed it down a bit`
`21:58.03`	`JManV`	`always nice`
`21:58.16`	`A1win`	`happens only if I run my GUI init`
`21:58.42`	`A1win`	`...which isn't surprising`
`21:58.56`	`A1win`	`cause there's not much else in the map to begin with :P`
`21:59.19`	`A1win`	`now it didn't crash when I only disabled my inventories`
`21:59.25`	`JManV`	`the map their playing looks fun, but poorly implemented`
`21:59.40`	`JademusSreg`	`Hm.`
`22:00.19`	`MrOp`	`does anyone know how to change the 3d sound range - i can bearly hear weapon fire of some guns and the volume is set to max`
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`22:00.30`	`JademusSreg`	`Terrain looks like shit,.`
`22:00.33`	`MrOp`	`i know i can change it with a point in offset z`
`22:00.37`	`JManV`	`yes`
`22:00.41`	`JManV`	`everything looks like shit`
`22:00.48`	`JademusSreg`	`And I don't have the patience to watch more.`
`22:00.49`	`JManV`	`but the giant hydra cracks my ass up`
`22:01.03`	`JademusSreg`	`I'll be available to play tonight after I watch a movie with my lady.`
`22:01.03`	`A1win`	`hmm interesting`
`22:01.04`	`JManV`	`seems like it's too short, too`
`22:01.21`	`A1win`	`it crashes if I initialize my cargo inventory and not the shop inventory, and doesn't crash the other way round`
`22:01.22`	`JManV`	`prolly imba against queen`
`22:01.27`	`JademusSreg`	`So consider me RSVPed, but probably a little late.`
`22:01.50`	`JManV`	`cool`
`22:01.56`	`MrOp`	`does anyone know how to change the 3d sound range - i can bearly hear weapon fire of some guns and the volume is set to max`
`22:01.57`	`A1win`	`X_x`
`22:02.13`	`JManV`	`question: does ulose bother you, jade?`
`22:02.16`	`A1win`	`there's an extra "set last created dialog item tiled flag to false" action at the end of this action definition`
`22:02.19`	`A1win`	`wonder what's it doing there`
`22:02.33`	`A1win`	`oh nvm it's supposed to be there`
`22:02.35`	`JManV`	`rogue cnp?`
`22:03.43`	`A1win`	`wtf, I disabled the Use button that doesn't even do anything and it stopped crashing`
`22:03.44`	`JManV`	`man, i really need to turn all these 2's into a parameter`
`22:04.09`	`JManV`	`i'm defeating the purpose of making a computer player 1, by explicitly calling things for player 2`
`22:04.18`	`JademusSreg`	`Ulose annoys me.`
`22:04.31`	`JManV`	`ok, then that's at least 3.`
`22:04.38`	`JManV`	`good to know`
`22:04.38`	`JademusSreg`	`He's pushy, wants to control map night or something.`
`22:04.54`	`JManV`	`i don't think anyone would play if he did have control`
`22:04.56`	`JademusSreg`	`But otherwise, I don't know anything about him.`
`22:04.58`	`JademusSreg`	`brb`
`22:05.08`	`JManV`	`i actually meant in that regard`
`22:05.29`	`JManV`	`cuz i don't want to be too hard on him if he's only bothering me`
`22:05.41`	`JManV`	`but if he's bothering everyone`
`22:07.07`	`JManV`	`so you're all good, a1?`
`22:07.26`	`A1win`	`nope >_<`
`22:07.35`	`A1win`	`now I disabled the drop button and left the use button there`
`22:07.38`	`A1win`	`and it crashes again`
`22:08.03`	`JManV`	`is this "use" button finished?`
`22:08.22`	`A1win`	`no but it isn't "broken" either`
`22:08.25`	`A1win`	`but I mean`
`22:08.36`	`JManV`	`so disable it until you finish it?`
`22:08.37`	`A1win`	`it also crashes if I disable the use button and not the drop button`
`22:08.51`	`JManV`	`hmmm`
`22:09.05`	`A1win`	`so dunno if it's even related to those buttons, or to number of dialog items or something silly`
`22:09.08`	`JManV`	`i dunno how your dialog code works`
`22:09.10`	`A1win`	`or the panel they are in`
`22:09.32`	`A1win`	`maybe there's something wrong with how i'm using the panel`
`22:09.53`	`JManV`	`i haven't used panels`
`22:10.01`	`JManV`	`i've been meaning to try them out`
`22:10.18`	`A1win`	`let's me move both the buttons at the same time by just moving the panel`
`22:10.30`	`JManV`	`gotcha`
`22:10.40`	`A1win`	`err`
`22:10.46`	`JManV`	`should be fairly straightforward`
`22:10.49`	`A1win`	`now I disabled the images for both buttons and it stopped crashing`
`22:11.07`	`A1win`	`as if it crashes when the panel has 4 things in it and not when it has only 2`
`22:11.10`	`JManV`	`set dialog item image?`
`22:11.15`	`JManV`	`on a button?`
`22:11.31`	`A1win`	`create dialog item image`
`22:11.36`	`JManV`	`ok`
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`22:11.51`	`Bounty`	`God, i hate how Blizzard made almost every doodad have nothing visible if you view them from underneath`
`22:12.01`	`JManV`	`how are you referencing the image?`
`22:12.04`	`A1win`	`but the thing is that it works with any combination of those dialog items when there's only 2`
`22:12.10`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Maged (~chatzilla@74-207-49-132.nat.luther.edu)`
`22:12.14`	`A1win`	`but when there's 4, it crashes`
`22:12.23`	`A1win`	`also crashed with 3`
`22:12.31`	`JManV`	`weird`
`22:14.31`	`A1win`	`and why does it crash when I quit and not before that :P`
`22:14.35`	`JademusSreg`	`Back for a bit.`
`22:15.23`	`JManV`	`well, i guess you can't rule out the possibility of panel bugs`
`22:15.28`	`A1win`	`mm`
`22:15.31`	`JManV`	`again, i've never used them`
`22:16.00`	`JManV`	`if i did, i'm sure i would have loaded one full of dialog items by now, and i'd be able to tell you more :P`
`22:16.11`	`JManV`	`cuz i don't go small :)`
`22:17.50`	`A1win`	`ah well I'll just write an action that moves all the dialog items and take them outside the panel`
`22:31.50`	`A1win`	`oh yeah, fixed it`
`22:34.00`	`JManV`	`swizzles`
`22:37.11`	`JManV`	`awesome`
`22:37.19`	`JManV`	`i got full player selection working with confirm`
`22:37.53`	`JManV`	`i'm not sure if i want to worry about renaming your rival just yet`
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`22:43.37`	`JademusSreg`	`bbl`
`22:43.46`	`JManV`	`k`
`22:43.49`	`JManV`	`enjoy the movie`
`22:43.56`	`JManV`	`... or else!`
`22:44.09`	`Bounty`	`wow`
`22:44.20`	`Bounty`	`why the fuck did blizz put NOTHING underneath doodads`
`22:44.31`	`Bounty`	`like everything has nothing if u look at it from underneath`
`22:44.36`	`Bounty`	`even doods with roofs`
`22:44.36`	`JManV`	`heebee?`
`22:44.42`	`Bounty`	`hell`
`22:44.45`	`Bounty`	`even the roof doodad`
`22:44.51`	`Bounty`	`has nothing underneath and u see right through it`
`22:46.30`	`Skizot`	`lol`
`22:46.47`	`JManV`	`awesome`
`22:46.52`	`Bounty`	`so there goes every single part of my terrain design out the window lol`
`22:46.54`	`JManV`	`...ish`
`22:47.03`	`Bounty`	`everything looks retarded`
`22:47.17`	`JManV`	`trying to push the boundries again, bounty?`
`22:47.31`	`Bounty`	`really? i dont think this counts as pushing boundries lol`
`22:47.41`	`JManV`	`well obv it does`
`22:47.48`	`JManV`	`whether intentional or not :P`
`22:47.48`	`Bounty`	`the store front canopy doodad for example`
`22:48.11`	`Bounty`	`its a fuckign canopy`
`22:48.31`	`JManV`	`that doesn't make sense`
`22:48.46`	`JManV`	`why wouldn't you be able to look up at it?`
`22:48.58`	`JManV`	`it's a model. it's 3d.`
`22:49.41`	`Bounty`	`sec let me show u something`
`22:49.44`	`Bounty`	`n ull see why im so mad lol`
`22:51.59`	`Bounty`	`http://i53.tinypic.com/2wq9atw.jpg`
`22:52.09`	`Bounty`	`Pretty good start right? thought it looked pretty cool`
`22:52.14`	`Bounty`	`BUT`
`22:52.40`	`Bounty`	`how does it look in game u ask?`
`22:52.42`	`Bounty`	`http://i55.tinypic.com/33bdcvt.jpg`
`22:53.45`	`JManV`	`are you getting clipping there?`
`22:54.01`	`Bounty`	`?`
`22:54.05`	`A1win`	`gah hate how slow the file browser loads up`
`22:54.17`	`Bounty`	`clipping?`
`22:54.36`	`JManV`	`what's your max camera distance?`
`22:54.41`	`Bounty`	`7`
`22:54.47`	`Bounty`	`u can adjust it`
`22:54.55`	`Bounty`	`max u can zoom out is 7 though`
`22:55.39`	`Bounty`	`all i know is instead of doodad hutn 2 being done soon i dont expect it to be done for a few months lol`
`22:55.45`	`Bounty`	`bc i seriously dont know wtf to do with the terrain now`
`22:55.57`	`JManV`	`http://i55.tinypic.com/2jg5own.png`
`22:56.25`	`JManV`	`7 should cover the canopy`
`22:56.29`	`Bounty`	`looks like that dude from Fantasy Island`
`22:56.30`	`JManV`	`that's weird`
`22:56.38`	`JManV`	`heh`
`22:56.47`	`JManV`	`yeah, he looks funny as hell`
`22:56.51`	`JManV`	`that's half the fun tho`
`22:57.34`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Twiner\|home (~Twiner@c-98-229-148-216.hsd1.nh.comcast.net)`
`22:57.44`	`Bounty`	`only choice i have left is im gonna have to watch this video over and over and study the terrain lol`
`22:57.44`	`Bounty`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qvSb1Al_sE`
`22:58.32`	`JManV`	`http://i52.tinypic.com/29oltol.png`
`22:58.50`	`Bounty`	`looks like my wife`
`22:58.53`	`Bounty`	`lololol`
`22:59.16`	`JManV`	`heh`
`22:59.22`	`JManV`	`she's 4 foot tall?`
`22:59.26`	`JManV`	`if that :P`
`22:59.30`	`Bounty`	`i wish`
`22:59.38`	`Bounty`	`like 5'3`
`22:59.38`	`JManV`	`maybe i'll make them a touch taller`
`23:00.49`	`A1win`	`oh yeah replaced the protoss decals with terran ones, they have much less transparency and look better`
`23:00.50`	`JManV`	`i still can't decide about that menu button tho`
`23:01.02`	`JManV`	`i like the way it looks, but i don't know if i want to show it during the into`
`23:01.33`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Tobin_ (45497832@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.73.120.50)`
`23:01.38`	`JManV`	`although the option to change the scroll speed and music during the intro is kinda nice`
`23:01.46`	`A1win`	`http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/mech/Screenshot2011-03-19%2001_01_17.jpg`
`23:01.54`	`JManV`	`map night in 1 hour!!`
`23:02.27`	`JManV`	`you just love putting dialogs on top of dialogs, don't you? :P`
`23:02.33`	`JManV`	`it looks really good`
`23:02.38`	`A1win`	`indeed ;3`
`23:03.13`	`Tobin-`	`yeah it does.`
`23:03.17`	`JManV`	`yeah, they look a little better if they're a tad taller`
`23:03.52`	`A1win`	`"they"?`
`23:04.23`	`JManV`	`the little kids :P`
`23:04.26`	`JManV`	`in my game`
`23:04.30`	`A1win`	`ah :x`
`23:04.39`	`JManV`	`they're really just short civilians`
`23:04.45`	`JManV`	`but it works well enough`
`23:05.19`	`JManV`	`and you can pick between 6 different boys or 6 different girls`
`23:05.38`	`JManV`	`all as part of an intentionally corny intro`
`23:05.53`	`Tobin-`	`that lasts 5 minutes at least.`
`23:05.56`	`Tobin-`	`?`
`23:06.13`	`JManV`	`if you do it normally, it's pretty long`
`23:06.18`	`JManV`	`but you can speed right through it`
`23:07.08`	`JManV`	`wow. on very slow scroll speed, it's painful`
`23:07.20`	`JManV`	`i can't read that slow :P`
`23:07.31`	`Tobin-`	`haha`
`23:08.34`	`JManV`	`i better set up to stream`
`23:21.13`	`A1win`	`^^ now it colors mission icons that the player hasn't yet clicked with different color`
`23:21.28`	`*** join/#sc2mapster TeddyTeddy (~Teddy@adsl-75-26-206-129.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net)`
`23:23.00`	`Demo`	`how do you check when someone was last seen`
`23:23.14`	`A1win`	`I don't need to`
`23:23.21`	`Demo`	`-seen shawn`
`23:23.23`	`Demo`	`:/`
`23:23.29`	`Demo`	`~seen shawn`
`23:23.37`	`purl`	`shawn <i=ad63b85b@gateway/web/freenode/x-flnhlnatxbgdyuko> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 461d 1h 13m 57s ago, saying: 'Thanks. I love preware. Awesome. Just want to make sure I don't accidentally mess up my pre.'.`
`23:23.37`	`Demo`	`I DONT GET IT`
`23:23.42`	`A1win`	`I just need to color the mission as that color, and when the player selects a mission, it's colored green, and when he unselects one, it's colored white`
`23:23.55`	`A1win`	`first I was going to keep a list of players`
`23:24.01`	`A1win`	`but then realized it'd be useless`
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`23:27.02`	`A1win`	`aahh this is awesome <3`
`23:27.16`	`A1win`	`can easily see when a mission refreshes`
`23:27.32`	`A1win`	`even if it randomizes the same icon for it`
`23:36.15`	`JManV`	`map night in 30 minutes`
`23:50.08`	`Demo`	`Would anyone like to explain starcode a little more in detail for me :/`
`23:50.20`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`i personally dont use it`
`23:50.28`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`i just convert numbers to strings`
`23:50.33`	`Demo`	`I need to convery numbers to strings`
`23:50.35`	`Demo`	`and I don't know how`
`23:50.43`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`eg say you wanted to save a two digit number`
`23:50.47`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`in haven what i do`
`23:50.47`	`Demo`	`yes`
`23:50.56`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`is first convert that integer to a string`
`23:51.00`	`JManV`	`map night in 10 minutes!`
`23:51.18`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`check if string length is 1, then make the string to be "0" and string`
`23:51.25`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`so if player was saving '2' itd become 02`
`23:51.30`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`if player is saving 14, itd be 14`
`23:51.34`	`Demo`	`right`
`23:51.36`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`THEN`
`23:51.48`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`have a local variable called StringChars or something`
`23:51.52`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`of type string`
`23:51.56`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`with initial value something like`
`23:52.06`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`A*&kv:'}\Mn`
`23:52.09`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`10 digits long`
`23:52.22`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`any random 10 different characters`
`23:52.24`	`JManV`	`sixen: stream in 10?`
`23:52.25`	`Demo`	`k`
`23:52.39`	`JManV`	`http://www.ustream.tv/channel/jmanv`
`23:52.45`	`Demo`	`When is the next us map night`
`23:52.50`	`Demo`	`I'll submit my map for the next one`
`23:53.08`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`THEN`
`23:53.20`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`assuming you have two local integer variables eg temp int and temp int 2`
`23:53.51`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`set temp int = substring(digits, 1, 1)`
`23:54.00`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`assuming digits is the string variable from above that had '02' or '14'`
`23:54.10`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`then set temp int 2 = substring(digits, 2,2)`
`23:54.23`	`*** join/#sc2mapster flummox_ (43a7db38@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.167.219.56)`
`23:55.11`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`then save string to bank (into any key or section you want): substring(StringChars, temp int, temp int)`
`23:55.30`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`then do another save string to bank (into a different key than ^ but preferably same section): substring (StringChars, temp int 2, temp int 2)`
`23:55.43`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`so taking for example the player has 46 as their score`
`23:55.56`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`step 1: we skip because its already 2 digits so it doesnt need a 0 infront`
`23:56.09`	`Demo`	`k`
`23:56.11`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`step 2: temp int = 4`
`23:56.16`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`temp int 2 = 6`
`23:56.42`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`step 3: first value saved to the bank is "k"`
`23:56.50`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`second value saved to the bank is ":"`
`23:57.15`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`assuming you used the "A*&kv:'}\Mn" as StringChars`
`23:57.31`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`OH also youll want to add 1 to temp int and temp int 2, since substring starts from 1 not 0`
`23:57.37`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`so if you had '02'`
`23:57.57`	`Demo`	`it would be 2 in the string`
`23:58.05`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`youd then convert to '1' and '3' then convert to substring along StringChars then save to bank`
`23:58.10`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`then have to subtract 1 when loading later`
`23:58.20`	`Demo`	`yeah I see`
`23:58.23`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`make sense?`
`23:58.25`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`its a bit of work`
`23:58.28`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`but itll confuse hackers`
`23:58.48`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`and you basically use some mangled up string with 10 different symbols/characters`
`23:58.54`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`and substring along that string based on each number digit`
`23:58.57`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`from the actual score`
`23:59.09`	`Demo`	`yeah it doesn't make sense but I am copying everything you said to a notepad`
`23:59.13`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`k`
`23:59.18`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`now when loading you have to go backwards`
`23:59.33`	`Demo`	`I'm attempting to do what you are saying right now`
`23:59.33`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`loop through each character (ie substring of StringChars) and check if it == to current digit of bank`

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