| 00:00.14 | A1win | some people like making that kind of thinking though |
| 00:00.20 | A1win | like me :P |
| 00:00.21 | montagg | That's perfect. In-field leveling and quick A/B choices should keep everything moving. |
| 00:00.33 | Nash|327 | Sure, it's fine in a single player game. |
| 00:00.54 | Nash|327 | Just not in multiplayer when people have to wait around for others to make up their mind. |
| 00:01.14 | A1win | they don't need to, the missions will scale based on number of players on them |
| 00:01.23 | Nash|327 | Don't need to? |
| 00:01.23 | montagg | OR, worse, someone makes a quick but bad decision and is gimped for the rest of the game. |
| 00:01.37 | Nash|327 | Well, if you are playing with someone... |
| 00:01.49 | A1win | they don't need to wait for others if they don't want to |
| 00:01.50 | Nash|327 | And that person is taking a long time deciding... |
| 00:01.59 | Nash|327 | Do you A) ditch your friend and go solo? |
| 00:02.09 | A1win | he can join up when he's done deciding |
| 00:02.09 | Nash|327 | Or B) Wait around for 10 minutes? |
| 00:02.18 | Nash|327 | Not the same thing. |
| 00:02.20 | montagg | Ahh, I see what you mean A1win. You can start by yourself, and once more people join, the mission scales dynamically. Interesting. |
| 00:02.28 | A1win | yeah |
| 00:02.33 | Nash|327 | HEY DUDE WAIT FOR ME MAN |
| 00:03.13 | Nash|327 | Then it becomes a choice between doing what is fun, or doing what is right. |
| 00:03.14 | montagg | You could always balance the first few seconds of a mission for a single person as well. |
| 00:03.24 | Nash|327 | Assuming you think it's fun playing solo at all. |
| 00:03.37 | montagg | So, they can go so far by themselves, but it's slower, and there's a limit to how far they can go on their own. |
| 00:03.41 | Nash|327 | If you only want to play with others, you're stuck waiting. |
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| 00:04.24 | A1win | not everyone wants constant action :e |
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| 00:04.32 | Nash|327 | You have to think through game design very carefully, minor things can have big consequences for certain types of players. |
| 00:04.39 | A1win | I'm not making this map for everyone |
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| 00:05.00 | Nash|327 | Of course not. |
| 00:05.07 | Nash|327 | But who ARE you making it for? |
| 00:05.20 | A1win | people who like this kind of gameplay ;p |
| 00:05.29 | Nash|327 | You need a clear goal and a target audience. |
| 00:06.01 | Nash|327 | And be willing to alienate people everyone else. |
| 00:06.20 | CryptRat | I just realized that adding the campaign dependancies only added about 3kb to my map. Is that normal? |
| 00:06.26 | A1win | I don't know the player base very well, and I probably wouldn't be mapping at all if I wasn't making it mostly for myself (just for the sake of making it, not necessarily playing much) |
| 00:07.17 | A1win | CryptRat, they're just dependencies, not actual data |
| 00:07.32 | Nash|327 | Even if you're just mapping for yourself, you can still distill the core elements of what you want in a game and remove features which are counterproductive to the gameplay you enjoy. |
| 00:08.02 | CryptRat | As far as player base, I would suggest to keep as much StarCraft'ness in your map as possible to piggyback off of what people will already know coming into your game. |
| 00:08.09 | CryptRat | (If applicable...) |
| 00:08.35 | Shawn|Rawr | You're FACES |
| 00:08.38 | A1win | mm the movement and combat controls will be the same as in SC2 |
| 00:08.44 | CryptRat | I am NOT a face! D: |
| 00:08.53 | Nash|327 | I wanted to make an RPG map where you kill lots of stuff as you move through a linear level towards some end goal. |
| 00:08.58 | A1win | and I have thought through this a lot :P |
| 00:08.59 | Shawn|Rawr | YOU ARE A FACE |
| 00:09.30 | CryptRat | What I mean is like, people expect a zergling to be faster than most other things. I wouldn't surprise them there if you don't have to. |
| 00:09.38 | Shawn|Rawr | You are all talking about irrelevant things that make no sense |
| 00:09.43 | Shawn|Rawr | ^__^ |
| 00:09.47 | A1win | I wanted to make a co-op map where players can customize their gameplay, and spent an entire day trying to come up with a good idea and then ended up with this |
| 00:10.29 | CryptRat | People expect Psionic Storm to be related to the High-Templar model. |
| 00:10.34 | Nash|327 | Customize their gameplay? That's vague. |
| 00:10.43 | A1win | Nash|327, you make it sound like there's only one way to design a game and that I'm not following that way :P |
| 00:11.11 | Nash|327 | Design without clear goals leads to shit :/ |
| 00:11.15 | A1win | Nash|327, it's more specific than that but it would take long to explain it in detail ;p |
| 00:11.16 | Bounty | So Shawn |
| 00:11.19 | Bounty | guess what? |
| 00:11.24 | Bounty | having trble with jumping alrdy :) |
| 00:11.30 | A1win | I talked about it here for the whole day |
| 00:11.32 | CryptRat | Nash|327 <3 :D |
| 00:11.34 | Bounty | i thought ignore terrain height would ignore pathing but it doesnt lol |
| 00:11.35 | A1win | brainstormed with some people |
| 00:12.07 | A1win | Bounty, it doesn't do anything else than ignores terrain height in the unit's height.. which doesn't do anything but moves the unit's actor up/down |
| 00:12.20 | Bounty | i know |
| 00:12.24 | Bounty | well, now i do |
| 00:12.25 | Bounty | >< |
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| 00:12.58 | A1win | and design without clear codes leads to shit only if you're a bad designer ;3 |
| 00:12.59 | Nash|327 | Brainstorming is generally not a good method, because it tends to boil down to "it would be cool to add this!" regardless of how well that fits the overall design goal or not. |
| 00:13.04 | CryptRat | Is it a bad thing that I try to apply Mark Rosewater design principles wherever I can? x_x |
| 00:13.22 | Bounty | is there anyway to make a unit ignore pathing via triggers? |
| 00:13.24 | Shawn|Rawr | Bounty, wanna know the secret? |
| 00:13.27 | Shawn|Rawr | >.> |
| 00:13.31 | Bounty | yeah i do actually |
| 00:13.31 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:13.34 | CryptRat | He's a face too? |
| 00:13.37 | Shawn|Rawr | Hehe.. |
| 00:13.43 | Shawn|Rawr | No, I know how to do jumping |
| 00:13.48 | Shawn|Rawr | Cuz I am part of SCU |
| 00:13.51 | Shawn|Rawr | And we do that |
| 00:14.10 | A1win | err |
| 00:14.10 | A1win | clear goals |
| 00:14.10 | A1win | it's getting late again |
| 00:14.11 | Bounty | real jumping though? |
| 00:14.11 | Nash|327 | Because a bunch of people put together all basically want to make different things, and the result is a poor combination of all those things, rather than one thing done well. |
| 00:14.14 | Bounty | like itll jump over footprints |
| 00:14.22 | Shawn|Rawr | We just over doodads |
| 00:14.22 | Bounty | and over pathing |
| 00:14.26 | Shawn|Rawr | And off cliffs |
| 00:14.30 | Shawn|Rawr | jmp* |
| 00:14.31 | Bounty | what about ground pathing? |
| 00:14.33 | Shawn|Rawr | jump* |
| 00:14.58 | Nash|327 | A Platypus is a duck designed by a committe. |
| 00:15.11 | A1win | Nash|327, that's not what brainstorming is about |
| 00:15.29 | A1win | that's just multiple people stating their opinions |
| 00:15.52 | Nash|327 | Which is, unfortunately, what brainstorming often comes down to. |
| 00:16.14 | A1win | when I'm brainstorming *my* map with other people, I don't care what they want me to add in it, I just bounce ideas from them and see if I can come up with new ideas based on those |
| 00:16.39 | A1win | ideas that will fit in with what I've already thought about it |
| 00:17.17 | A1win | if I haven't decided on a goal, it doesn't mean I haven't thought of the possibilities of what that goal might be |
| 00:17.30 | Nash|327 | I wouldn't call that brainstorming, that's just using other people as a sounding board. |
| 00:17.58 | A1win | heh, I guess there are many definitions for brainstorming |
| 00:18.00 | Nash|327 | But we are entering the realm of semantics now. |
| 00:18.13 | Nash|327 | A place where no mortal man should tread. |
| 00:18.28 | Nash|327 | ABANDON HOPE, ALL YE WHO ENTER HERE |
| 00:19.06 | A1win | if I want to sail down a river into the ocean, I don't need to know beforeahand which of the forked routes I'll take because they all lead to the ocean anyway |
| 00:19.31 | Nash|327 | That's a poor analogy. |
| 00:19.48 | A1win | what's so poor about it ;p |
| 00:19.50 | Nash|327 | Yes, you will end up in the ocean. |
| 00:20.00 | Nash|327 | And you will end up with a map. |
| 00:20.06 | Nash|327 | But there are good and bad maps. |
| 00:20.22 | A1win | I don't need a map if I know all the routes that lead into the ocean |
| 00:20.32 | A1win | and the ocean is what I wanted |
| 00:20.42 | Nash|327 | You are suggesting design choices are irrelevant, because you'll have a finished product either way. |
| 00:20.51 | A1win | no |
| 00:21.01 | Nash|327 | That is what your analogy suggests. |
| 00:21.06 | Nash|327 | Hence why it is poor. |
| 00:21.23 | A1win | if I ended up in sahara instead of the ocean, then I'd have a bad product |
| 00:21.32 | A1win | the ocean is the product I want |
| 00:21.35 | A1win | :< |
| 00:22.10 | A1win | fine it was a poor analogy because it's not clear enough ;p |
| 00:23.17 | A1win | the point is that there are a lot of good choices I already know about, I just haven't decided on which one of them I'll take |
| 00:23.36 | A1win | or.. hadn't, now I have on most of them, speaking of this map :P |
| 00:24.58 | Nash|327 | Details are not all that important, but without a clear goal I would not start working on the map. |
| 00:25.03 | A1win | I still haven't thought a lot about all the kinds of items I'll have, but I know what each type of item will do... same for the missions, I know it's possible to make interesting missions with the SC2 gameplay and unit abilities, so I haven't planned the missions much |
| 00:26.12 | A1win | having a clear goal usually means it's not very original because you just can't picture everything about a new kind of a gameplay in your head |
| 00:26.18 | A1win | there's a thing called prototyping |
| 00:26.58 | Nash|327 | Still need a goal to do a prototype. |
| 00:27.18 | Nash|327 | The purpose of a prototype is to ascertain how well you have achieved the goal. |
| 00:27.57 | Nash|327 | A goal is not a finished design. |
| 00:28.11 | A1win | yeah, and the goal of a prototype can be: "let's see how this kind of a gameplay element works in practice, because it seems like something that might be useful for the overall idea of the game we had" |
| 00:28.14 | Nash|327 | It's what you want to accomplish with your finished design. |
| 00:30.29 | A1win | hmm |
| 00:30.58 | A1win | that's a business man talking, not an artist :P |
| 00:31.36 | A1win | there's a difference between going from one place to another, and dancing |
| 00:32.03 | A1win | (I'm actually having fun while I'm making this, probably more than I'll have after it's done) |
| 00:32.13 | Nash|327 | I take game design seriously. |
| 00:32.30 | A1win | so do I, I just do it for a different purpose |
| 00:32.42 | Nash|327 | It's not some artsy "hey let's throw paint on the canvas and see if it looks pretty" exercise. |
| 00:32.44 | Skizot | yay |
| 00:32.50 | Skizot | my game is starting to look good :D |
| 00:32.51 | A1win | that's not art :P |
| 00:32.55 | A1win | that's throwing paint on the canvas |
| 00:33.08 | A1win | making a mess |
| 00:33.21 | Tobin- | I agree, i hate it when people call that art. |
| 00:33.36 | JademusSreg | Jackson Pollock was a silly twat. |
| 00:33.53 | A1win | it's the same for me when playing a game: I couldn't care less who wins, I want to see how it plays |
| 00:34.02 | JademusSreg | But arts not something we make or do, it's a dimension to everything we do. =D |
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| 00:34.12 | Nash|327 | I could send you my articles on game design. |
| 00:34.15 | Nash|327 | :G |
| 00:35.03 | montagg | Jackson Pollock did what no one had the balls to do. Because everyone thought it was stupid. And now he's famous. There's something to learn from that, I think. |
| 00:36.12 | JademusSreg | Stupidity and balls and a hip vocal minority > goos aesthetic sense |
| 00:36.22 | JademusSreg | goos! =D |
| 00:36.32 | montagg | Nash|327: I'd love to check out some of those articles. Where can I find them? |
| 00:36.42 | montagg | * > goose |
| 00:36.55 | JademusSreg | Not saying it isn't art, just that I think it's shitty. |
| 00:37.29 | Nash|327 | On my hard drive. |
| 00:37.43 | Nash|327 | I wrote them for university courses. :G |
| 00:38.36 | Nash|327 | I don't have a webserver running anymore. |
| 00:38.45 | montagg | JademusSreg: I think his stuff is shitty, too, but his work is the best example of what art is not. It's not the final product, which in his case is shitty. It's also the process, which is what most people point to as genius about his work. |
| 00:39.03 | Nash|327 | Dunno where I'd dump some PDFs. |
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| 00:39.26 | montagg | Nash|327 Google docs, maybe. You can host almost anything there these days, even a zip file of everything. |
| 00:39.30 | tordy | what we doin |
| 00:39.36 | montagg | Nash|327: Were you at GDC at all, by chance? |
| 00:39.52 | Nash|327 | But can you make Google docs docs public? |
| 00:40.06 | JademusSreg | I think art is the dimension of anything we do that expresses our metaphysical value judgements. =) |
| 00:40.18 | Nash|327 | Nope, and I live in Sweden. |
| 00:40.40 | montagg | Nash|327: Aahhh, darn. |
| 00:41.09 | montagg | Nash|327: And yes, you can set them to be shareable with a public link. |
| 00:41.38 | Nash|327 | I'll have to figure that out, then. |
| 00:41.44 | montagg | JademusSreg: That's certainly one way to define it. |
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| 00:42.54 | A1win | meh, internet is broke :< |
| 00:42.59 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 00:44.25 | A1win | Nash|327, what do you mean by a "clear goal" anyway? how much does it consist of :E |
| 00:44.35 | Nash|327 | So I just copy/paste the link now that it's public with link? |
| 00:45.11 | Nash|327 | I mean, what is the game about at the core? What is it you should be doing? |
| 00:45.23 | montagg | No, there's an option to "share" the document. It gives you the public link through that dialog. I can't recall exactly how to do it offhand |
| 00:45.31 | Nash|327 | Kill stuff? Is it a puzzle game? What? |
| 00:45.31 | montagg | If you poke around the menus, though, you should find it. |
| 00:45.43 | tordy | i need to hear that boop sound |
| 00:45.47 | A1win | yeah of course I have all that in mind when starting making something, just not in detail |
| 00:45.57 | A1win | and not necessarily put into words |
| 00:46.10 | montagg | A1win: Have you ever tried making a pen and paper model? It really helps solidify your ideas, and it's a great way to test them out early. |
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| 00:46.37 | A1win | of an entire game? |
| 00:46.42 | A1win | or single aspects |
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| 00:46.56 | tordy | please |
| 00:46.58 | tordy | someone do a boop |
| 00:47.03 | Nash|327 | https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0BxdM0JkfuIX5ODUxOTRjZGEtZDJkMC00ZDExLWI1MjYtNGVkOGZlZjVmZjdk&hl=en&authkey=CKHS-pIP IT WORKS? |
| 00:47.06 | JademusSreg | Boop? |
| 00:47.39 | A1win | anyway I've been designing games more or less my entire life, so I have a lot of experience :P |
| 00:47.43 | tordy | say my name! |
| 00:47.55 | A1win | about not really getting anything done |
| 00:48.02 | A1win | I mean finished |
| 00:48.10 | montagg | A1win: Mostly approximations of games in their entirety, since some things you just can't do quickly in analog. But you can get a good sense of whether the mechanics work before you spend the time coding them up. |
| 00:48.50 | A1win | errm... how do you test real time gameplay on paper? |
| 00:48.51 | A1win | :P |
| 00:50.04 | A1win | argh it started lagging again |
| 00:51.06 | montagg | A1win: if it's multiplayer, you have turns represent a unit of time (say 5s), then have each player choose a move and then you all reveal simultaneously. A couple rounds of that, and you start to get a sense of what a real time game would be like. |
| 00:51.23 | Nash|327 | Did the link work? |
| 00:51.31 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 00:51.35 | Nash|327 | :D! |
| 00:52.09 | Nash|327 | https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0BxdM0JkfuIX5ZDAzNjc5MmItYTU2ZC00MDZlLWI1MDMtMTk3YzFlN2JhYzEz&hl=en&authkey=CK662fMG Here is my other one. |
| 00:52.17 | A1win | montagg, doesn't sound very useful tbh :x would be more efficient to just make a quick real-time prototype |
| 00:52.32 | A1win | and I don't really have anyone to do something like that with |
| 00:52.50 | montagg | A1win: Depends. It's good for testing out level designs early or certain mechanics that are hard to code. But, you do need more than one person usually. |
| 00:53.01 | tordy | no one booped me :[ |
| 00:53.03 | tordy | anyway |
| 00:53.05 | tordy | what are yall doin |
| 00:53.08 | tordy | projects!> |
| 00:53.18 | montagg | A1win: I usually do at least one pen and paper model before I code. Takes 30 minutes to an hour, and I already know if the game is fun or not by the end. |
| 00:53.24 | JademusSreg | Working on cat n mouse style game. |
| 00:53.37 | A1win | I do it all in my head D: |
| 00:54.07 | Nash|327 | Do the voices help you? |
| 00:54.29 | A1win | not all of them, some are just fooling around |
| 00:55.04 | Nash|327 | Do they tell you to kill hookers? |
| 00:55.40 | montagg | And/or wear them as a suite? |
| 00:55.44 | montagg | ^suit |
| 00:56.00 | Nash|327 | It puts the lotion on its skin. |
| 00:59.21 | Tobin- | Hookers or David Spade |
| 00:59.32 | A1win | anyway (dodging the question), I sometimes draw things like GUI design on paper, or list up elements of something that has a lot of them... like all the attributes items can affect, and group them up etc. |
| 01:01.40 | A1win | my problem is that my focus keeps shifting between things, so I rarely get anything really finished >_> |
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| 01:02.01 | A1win | I just get bored with the thing before it's ready, and start on something that's more interesting :P |
| 01:02.44 | Nash|327 | ADD |
| 01:02.59 | A1win | fame and money have never been very good motivators for me :I |
| 01:03.08 | Nash|327 | Me neither. |
| 01:03.16 | Nash|327 | Doesn't stop me from finishing stuff, though. |
| 01:03.21 | A1win | hehe |
| 01:04.02 | Nash|327 | Once you've written a book things seem easier :P |
| 01:04.33 | A1win | maybe some day |
| 01:05.03 | JademusSreg | Text is antiquated; everyone NNIMs now. |
| 01:05.10 | Nash|327 | Especially since my first book was 136000 words :G |
| 01:05.19 | montagg | Shipping is the hardest problem. Everything else is secondary. |
| 01:05.30 | montagg | Holy crap. |
| 01:05.46 | montagg | You could've said pages, and I still would've been impressed, but word count... Eek. |
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| 01:06.40 | JademusSreg | Hi there. |
| 01:07.07 | Nash|327 | Word count is easier to measure, since pages depends on font size and if it's book format or A4 document. |
| 01:08.06 | A1win | mmh I'm getting flashbacks of deja vu's for some reason, and they aren't even related to the thing that triggers them |
| 01:08.17 | Nash|327 | My books are Word documents, but in book form it would be about 540 pages. |
| 01:08.40 | Tobin- | What topic? |
| 01:08.52 | montagg | Booo. .txt ftw |
| 01:09.21 | A1win | if txt supported italics, that'd be all I'd be using D: |
| 01:09.29 | Nash|327 | Oh, absurd satire low fantasy sort of thing |
| 01:09.38 | montagg | Actually, I'm a hypocrite. I use Scrivener to organize any writing I'm doing. (...But I use a monospace font and write in Markdown. So I'm still sufficiently geek.) |
| 01:10.43 | JademusSreg | You're the one to finally lampoon the obiquity of Tolkein races and tropes? =D |
| 01:10.51 | JademusSreg | *ubiquity |
| 01:11.04 | montagg | Nash|327: So, you're like the Swedish Terry Pratchett? |
| 01:11.43 | Nash|327 | I only write about humans, my focus is more on odd characters and mocking the human condition rather than strange creatures. |
| 01:12.29 | montagg | (If you're into Bach and/or ukeleles, you need to check this out: http://theteachingbog.com/post/3892360893 ) |
| 01:13.19 | JademusSreg | From where does the fantasy in "low fantasy" come? Some surreality in the vein of magical realism? |
| 01:13.31 | Nash|327 | The main character is some sort of Asbergers-like person who is extremely rational and does whatever he wants, and is terribly misunderstood and feared despite trying to be a good person. |
| 01:14.21 | JademusSreg | Like an inversion of The Idiot? |
| 01:15.33 | Nash|327 | I have not read that, I'm afraid. |
| 01:17.48 | A1win | hehe could make some NPCs come admire the players' mechs at the base once they get powerful enough, like fans gathering around their idols |
| 01:18.03 | Nash|327 | It's a world full of superstitious, selfish, stupid and irrational people, and he doesn't fit, but his magic lets him do what he wants. |
| 01:18.41 | JademusSreg | Aspie sorceror. Neato. |
| 01:18.48 | Bounty | Hey guys |
| 01:18.56 | Bounty | is there a mover that ignores all pathing? |
| 01:19.14 | A1win | does your pathing block flying as well? |
| 01:19.24 | Bounty | apparently doodad footprints do |
| 01:19.25 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:19.39 | Bounty | i thought flying would fly over it but nope |
| 01:19.44 | A1win | :P |
| 01:19.52 | A1win | something wrong with the footprint then |
| 01:20.09 | Bounty | well |
| 01:20.12 | Bounty | uhh |
| 01:20.13 | Bounty | hmm |
| 01:20.19 | Bounty | they are rocks |
| 01:20.20 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:21.31 | Bounty | i figured out how to change movers on the fly via trigers =P |
| 01:21.38 | Nash|327 | Don't walk into rocks! |
| 01:22.28 | A1win | or you didn't really change it to a flyer properly |
| 01:22.35 | Bounty | well |
| 01:22.37 | Bounty | put it like this |
| 01:22.44 | Bounty | if i use this method to set it to colossus |
| 01:22.47 | Bounty | i can jump cliffs |
| 01:22.52 | Bounty | so its setting it |
| 01:24.44 | Bounty | which actually kinda makes this funnier |
| 01:24.46 | Bounty | i can jump cliffs |
| 01:24.48 | Bounty | but not pebbles |
| 01:24.55 | A1win | sounds like Mirror's Edge |
| 01:27.04 | Bounty | well |
| 01:27.13 | A1win | mmh I should probably have a minimize button for inventory if you can't really do anything with the items on the missions :o |
| 01:27.14 | Bounty | can i just set all the doodads footprints to act as cliffs? |
| 01:27.24 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 01:28.02 | Bounty | ?? |
| 01:28.14 | A1win | or maybe I should think of some items you can use on the mission :P |
| 01:28.39 | Bounty | can that be done or??? |
| 01:28.42 | A1win | but... it feels clumsy |
| 01:28.45 | A1win | Bounty, no idea |
| 01:30.15 | Bounty | btw, i thought u couldnt change movers via triggers lol |
| 01:30.22 | Bounty | yet u can |
| 01:30.35 | A1win | mmh |
| 01:30.54 | Nash|327 | I uploaded 3 chapters of the book if anyone wanted to read, give you a clearer picture of what it's about. |
| 01:31.20 | Nash|327 | I could send people the rest of it later if they want it. |
| 01:31.40 | JademusSreg | Sure. Leeenk. |
| 01:31.48 | Nash|327 | https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eHinfthkEhE4gN8SXVFFwj8CgYmR_9V2xs4uoRpz7CQ/edit?hl=en&authkey=CJ7l9ZYE |
| 01:32.00 | A1win | I don't read much, except sometimes randomly something I get some interest in for some reason :P |
| 01:32.40 | Nash|327 | the beginning gives a pretty good idea of what the character is like, so best place to start |
| 01:33.55 | A1win | initial thoughts based on the first two paragraphs: nice flow, but somehow sounds a bit generic... it's missing a proper hook (but that's just the first two paragraphs) |
| 01:35.04 | A1win | didn't really give a reason to keep reading further (but I'm very picky about what I ready <.<) |
| 01:36.02 | Nash|327 | well, the first paragraphs are meant to mislead you into thinking of a generic evil sorcerer, to illustrate how others perceive the character :P |
| 01:36.12 | A1win | hehe |
| 01:36.50 | A1win | "this only looks like it starts off boring"? ;D |
| 01:38.35 | Nash|327 | Well, I assumed people would read more than 2 paragraphs. |
| 01:38.55 | A1win | ;3 |
| 01:40.16 | A1win | mmh I wonder how I should implement my crew hiring interface, doesn't seem right to put them as items to the shop :P ...and since they wouldn't go to your inventory anyway, they are different from other items |
| 01:40.23 | A1win | err.. from items, not other items |
| 01:40.45 | Nash|327 | The character has done all those things, but the way you present them leads to people making assumptions about him, the same assumptions people in the story make. Then when put into context later it's demonstrated how wrong those assumptions are. |
| 01:41.24 | Nash|327 | And thus, the reader can understand how people can make such assumptions, and how wrong they are in doing so. |
| 01:41.34 | Nash|327 | That was the idea, anyway. |
| 01:41.38 | Nash|327 | YMMV |
| 01:43.09 | A1win | mm sounds like a fine idea :x |
| 01:43.58 | Nash|327 | Unless you write for people who read the first 2 paragraphs and then give up :P |
| 01:44.29 | A1win | :P I probably wouldn't have read it anyway, got some unfinished reading already |
| 01:44.43 | A1win | which I still want to read, but just got more interesting things to do |
| 01:44.47 | Nash|327 | It's not mandatory. |
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| 01:45.51 | Ravonus | ok so i have a archon attack and a tall unit... how do i make the attack come out of its head appose to the base ? |
| 01:46.29 | Nash|327 | Majicks. |
| 01:46.39 | JademusSreg | SiteOps or some such. |
| 01:46.51 | Ravonus | where is this siteops located? |
| 01:47.01 | JademusSreg | Nash, I'll take a look if I ever get some time. =) |
| 01:47.06 | Nash|327 | actor thingy |
| 01:47.32 | Nash|327 | for the attack |
| 01:47.36 | JademusSreg | I like the idea, I admit; I'm a sucker for clever gimmicks and novelty. |
| 01:47.42 | Nash|327 | I found it a pain to get working D: |
| 01:49.44 | Nash|327 | I wanted to write fantasy without elves and nice kings and stuff, with a character that's nice but misunderstood and sort of an anarchist, and a book that questions norms and pokes fun at the way people behave. |
| 01:50.20 | A1win | darn the category filtering was still bugged |
| 01:50.21 | Nash|327 | I have personal experience with being misunderstood due to lack of social skills, so I wanted to incorporate that. |
| 01:50.57 | JademusSreg | I can appreciate that sentiment. =D |
| 01:52.30 | Nash|327 | And I tend to see myself as observing humanity from the outside, so to speak, and find many puzzling things about how people behave. |
| 01:57.21 | JademusSreg | I resonate with that. |
| 01:58.13 | montagg | Nash|327: So, Fantasypunk. |
| 01:58.24 | Nash|327 | Perhaps. |
| 01:58.25 | montagg | Or, elfpunk. |
| 01:58.31 | montagg | Human...punk. |
| 01:58.57 | JademusSreg | It's challenging to respond to such things without inadvertedly trivializing the experiences or content, which is why I often prefer to be silent when I appreciate something. =) |
| 01:59.21 | Nash|327 | I am sort of an asexual atheist asbergers anarchist author :P |
| 02:02.29 | JademusSreg | I am sort of not comfortable with self-description. |
| 02:03.40 | Nash|327 | Because it's not very accurate and invites too much interpretation? |
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| 02:12.09 | JademusSreg | Yes, partly. |
| 02:12.57 | Nash|327 | The label problem. |
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| 02:16.19 | JademusSreg | I don't mind if people form misconceptions about me, I'm more concerned with how I see myself. There is dignity neither in self-promotion nor in self-deprecation. |
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| 02:24.41 | Nash|327 | And you think any self-description is one of the two? |
| 02:25.52 | JademusSreg | Inadvertedly, yes. |
| 02:27.13 | Nash|327 | Perhaps. |
| 02:28.13 | Nash|327 | I don't have the same view of it, it's all a matter of extent and honesty. |
| 02:28.16 | JademusSreg | It reveals how we would like to see ourselves, which qualities and character flaws we would like to celebrate. Everything we communicate probably does to some extent. |
| 02:28.45 | Nash|327 | But then, when writing I draw on both. |
| 02:28.55 | JademusSreg | When people say "I'm a really creative person" or "I'm spiritual", I can only roll my eyes. |
| 02:29.23 | Shawn|Rawr | I'm not gay |
| 02:31.23 | Nash|327 | In practice or in theory? |
| 02:31.50 | Shawn|Rawr | Neither nor |
| 02:33.26 | JademusSreg | False dichotomy. |
| 02:33.44 | JademusSreg | =) |
| 02:37.05 | Shawn|Rawr | How is Macon GA? |
| 02:40.12 | Nash|327 | i has a tired in my headz |
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| 02:40.40 | Agouti | hihi |
| 02:41.00 | Nash|327 | NO GIGGLING |
| 02:41.16 | Nash|327 | BANNED |
| 02:41.41 | Agouti | lucky for me that wasn't giggling |
| 02:41.43 | Agouti | that has |
| 02:41.43 | Agouti | hi |
| 02:41.51 | Nash|327 | Lies. |
| 02:42.08 | Agouti | not to be confused with the following, which I am merely referencing: "heehee" |
| 02:42.12 | Nash|327 | FALSIFICATION! |
| 02:43.17 | Agouti | The state of Agouti denies any wrongdoing or deliberate falsification of facts |
| 02:43.29 | Nash|327 | I should really sleep, my silliness will grow exponentially with my sleepiness. |
| 02:43.38 | Nash|327 | Kind of like cat proximity. |
| 02:43.52 | Agouti | haha |
| 02:44.23 | Agouti | hmm, as usual, I remember to come onto IRC when I have something I can't figure out |
| 02:44.55 | Agouti | is there any way to access the nice hover highlight on dialog items? |
| 02:45.13 | Agouti | I want to have a selected type highlight for an item |
| 02:45.14 | Nash|327 | THE MADVENTURES OF GLOW-IN-THE-DARK HITLER AND THE BUBONIC MARSUPIAL! |
| 02:45.27 | Agouti | ohh, of course - it all makes sense now |
| 02:45.43 | Agouti | how could I be so blind? GLOW IN THE DARK |
| 02:46.09 | Nash|327 | Let there be glow! |
| 02:46.48 | Nash|327 | To the bedmobile! |
| 02:47.27 | Agouti | And the the partier said "Let there be glow" and broke the stick; and thus from the stick issued a great glow as of radioactive lava |
| 02:49.05 | JademusSreg | Woah, I'm seeing tracers. |
| 02:49.23 | Agouti | can you see through the code? |
| 02:49.24 | JademusSreg | It feels sooo good to just touch. Want a backrub? |
| 02:49.44 | Agouti | not so much a /back/rub |
| 02:49.48 | Agouti | but you are close |
| 02:49.54 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 02:50.02 | JademusSreg | Ravers are laughs. |
| 02:53.49 | Agouti | why do I feell a vague sense of betrayal at SC2 using flash |
| 02:54.46 | JademusSreg | No idea. |
| 02:55.21 | Agouti | they should use JS >_> |
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| 02:56.36 | Fenix | hello? |
| 02:56.50 | JademusSreg | Hello? |
| 02:56.52 | JademusSreg | ??? |
| 02:57.02 | Fenix | um nice thing :P |
| 02:57.09 | JademusSreg | How did you survive Kerrigan's attack?! |
| 02:57.16 | Fenix | xD |
| 02:57.18 | Fenix | I ran |
| 02:57.27 | JademusSreg | En Taro Adun. |
| 02:57.32 | Agouti | < confused |
| 02:57.54 | Fenix | Fenix is invincible :) |
| 02:58.31 | Fenix | once he gets near death, he is teleported to a safty place and regenerate :) |
| 02:58.58 | A1win | after hours of refactoring I finally got the bugs fixed... the inventory filtering by category seems to work now <3 |
| 02:58.59 | JademusSreg | op |
| 02:59.09 | JademusSreg | Conrats, A1. |
| 02:59.15 | Agouti | ^ |
| 02:59.31 | Fenix | anyway, good night all. 23h here :P |
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| 03:00.59 | A1win | and I got rid of more of my copypaste code :P |
| 03:01.24 | A1win | ...or duplicate code rather |
| 03:01.41 | A1win | copypaste makes it sound like I copied it from someone else |
| 03:01.57 | Agouti | but you did |
| 03:02.09 | Agouti | obivously anything awesome in that map is my awesomeness |
| 03:02.29 | Agouti | you stole it psychically from me while I slept |
| 03:02.35 | Agouti | course my lack of tin foil hats |
| 03:02.39 | Agouti | curse* |
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| 03:05.06 | A1win | I've got my tinfoil hat on, hip-hip-hip-hooray, my tinfoil hat will shield me from your mind controlling ray |
| 03:06.02 | A1win | http://www.eclectech.co.uk/mindcontrol.php |
| 03:06.09 | Agouti | You are too late - I've already got control, you only THINK you have a tin foil hat on |
| 03:06.54 | A1win | you only think you have control and that I think you don't |
| 03:08.14 | Agouti | "I am NOT crazy - my mother had me tested" |
| 03:10.10 | A1win | I hate combining text variables :I |
| 03:10.21 | A1win | with the GUI |
| 03:10.29 | Agouti | ew |
| 03:10.31 | Agouti | yes |
| 03:13.32 | Agouti | ugh |
| 03:17.24 | JademusSreg | TBBT |
| 03:17.37 | Agouti | tibbet? |
| 03:17.49 | CryptRat | If you have a group of 6 players, but only 2 can play at any one time, what is the fairest way to choose who plays each game? |
| 03:18.03 | Agouti | random |
| 03:18.05 | JademusSreg | The BBT |
| 03:18.05 | CryptRat | Purely random is suboptimal. |
| 03:18.14 | Agouti | random actually isn't |
| 03:18.14 | JademusSreg | the BANG theory |
| 03:18.17 | JademusSreg | And so forth. |
| 03:18.27 | JademusSreg | Pseudorandom. wakka wakka |
| 03:18.32 | Agouti | and SC2's random is even worse still |
| 03:18.32 | A1win | I need to place Upgrades and Contacts buttons somewhere on the base UI... was thinking that upgrades could be accessed by cicking the mech but would that be odd if there were menus and 3D "buttons" in the same ui |
| 03:18.35 | CryptRat | Purely random is not evenly destributed however. :x |
| 03:18.42 | JademusSreg | Can't expect true randomness from a deterministic system. |
| 03:18.46 | A1win | though I guess people are used to it from singleplayer |
| 03:18.51 | Agouti | you can expect better than it gives |
| 03:19.09 | A1win | could use those green pointy lines with text pointing at the mech saying Upgrades |
| 03:19.14 | Agouti | random for my map LOVE patterns |
| 03:19.26 | A1win | could do trading with other players like that too, just click on their mech |
| 03:19.28 | Agouti | it will repeat numbers quite a bit |
| 03:20.01 | Agouti | in fact for any given choice it seems it will pick the last picked number for a player 80% of the time |
| 03:20.38 | Agouti | perhaps I need to do something more active about the random number seed |
| 03:21.20 | JademusSreg | I wrote a simple RNG. |
| 03:21.26 | CryptRat | Repeating can happen if things are chosen entirely at random... |
| 03:21.36 | JademusSreg | But it wounds like you want a proc. |
| 03:21.47 | Agouti | cryptrat: I didn't say "on occasion things repeat" I said "more often than not things repeat" |
| 03:21.57 | Agouti | it's a random race selection |
| 03:22.05 | Agouti | and it will give the same race over and over again |
| 03:22.08 | Agouti | out of 9 choices |
| 03:22.37 | CryptRat | So here's what I'm thinking: I'm gonna give every player 16 vouchers each time players are chosen for a game. (These are hidden from the players so they won't actually see what's going on.) |
| 03:22.43 | Agouti | often 3-4 times in a row, then a couple of random choices, then start repeating again |
| 03:23.00 | CryptRat | At the beginning of a game, one player is chosen randomly, weighted by the number of vouchers they have. |
| 03:23.04 | Agouti | only 1 problem |
| 03:23.09 | Agouti | exploitable |
| 03:23.21 | Agouti | simply delete the bank file, and bam! 16 vouchers |
| 03:23.24 | CryptRat | It won't be stored in bank files at all |
| 03:23.32 | CryptRat | it will be reset each game |
| 03:23.37 | CryptRat | Then that player can choose whether to have a random or chosen opponent. |
| 03:23.50 | Agouti | oh, this is over the course of one map play |
| 03:23.55 | CryptRat | If the player takes a random opponent the voucher amount gets cut in half. |
| 03:23.56 | Agouti | rather than at the start of each map play |
| 03:24.04 | CryptRat | If the player chooses their opponent, they lose all the vouchers. |
| 03:24.17 | CryptRat | After the game, every player gets an additional 16 vouchers and the next round starts. |
| 03:24.30 | CryptRat | Is that 'fair' enough? |
| 03:25.04 | JademusSreg | Vouchers? |
| 03:25.16 | CryptRat | Read up about half a page. |
| 03:25.32 | JademusSreg | Busy. =) |
| 03:25.41 | CryptRat | (The amount 16 is just so the number can be halved cleanly multiple times.) |
| 03:25.59 | Agouti | sounds complicated |
| 03:26.18 | CryptRat | Yes, but it's all hidden from the players, it's just to weight people who haven't played yet more. |
| 03:28.13 | JademusSreg | Played what? |
| 03:28.30 | CryptRat | ... Why ask questions if you aren't willing to read the whole thing? x_x |
| 03:30.00 | A1win | can't I change the "can't be clicked" flag for a unit on-the-fly? |
| 03:30.20 | Shawn|Rawr | Change Unit State ? |
| 03:30.26 | A1win | doesn't seem to be there |
| 03:30.28 | Bounty | Why am i not surprised that Speed-Craft is hardly being played Jademussreg lol |
| 03:30.35 | Shawn|Rawr | Set* Unit State |
| 03:30.37 | Bounty | u said it wuz fun! |
| 03:30.40 | JademusSreg | Wakka wakka |
| 03:32.14 | Bounty | i got mah jump workin |
| 03:32.15 | Bounty | mwahahaha |
| 03:32.28 | Shawn|Rawr | ;) |
| 03:32.28 | Bounty | thats enough for 2day lol |
| 03:33.04 | Bounty | my brain just isnt working anymore |
| 03:33.17 | A1win | wouldn't really want to generate an event of the mechs every time the players click them during missions as well x.x ...and not create separate unit type just to be able to click them |
| 03:34.12 | A1win | and I thought clickable used to be there... but can't see it now o: |
| 03:34.28 | CryptRat | Bounty, it's probably because everyone is disoriented after the first game. |
| 03:34.41 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:35.40 | Shawn|Rawr | Selectable? |
| 03:35.52 | Shawn|Rawr | A1win.. I just facepalmed |
| 03:36.21 | A1win | nope |
| 03:36.37 | A1win | you can click even if it's not selectable |
| 03:37.10 | Shawn|Rawr | Then just condition out the trigger |
| 03:37.17 | A1win | mmh |
| 03:37.54 | Shawn|Rawr | Creating a seperate unit sounds really crappy as an alternative |
| 03:38.08 | A1win | yeah |
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| 03:41.22 | Agouti | sounds like the weighting is a little harsh against players who don't random |
| 03:41.56 | Agouti | @cryptrat |
| 03:42.20 | Bounty | GOD |
| 03:42.22 | Bounty | my head |
| 03:42.23 | Bounty | lo |
| 03:42.29 | Bounty | i cant even do basic triggering :( |
| 03:43.00 | Agouti | *insert smart arse comment here* |
| 03:43.04 | Bounty | anyone ever get like this? |
| 03:43.09 | Bounty | like u just crap out |
| 03:43.10 | Agouti | most nights |
| 03:43.13 | Bounty | and cant map anymore lol |
| 03:43.17 | Agouti | thats when I know it's bed time :) |
| 03:43.22 | Bounty | im not tired |
| 03:43.30 | Bounty | i just cant do anything |
| 03:43.33 | Bounty | map wise >< |
| 03:43.47 | Agouti | usually it happens as a result of banging my head metaphorically against some problem, usually on someone elses map, too |
| 03:43.54 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:44.28 | Bounty | i got my jump to work n thats the only thing in this map that will have that effect on me |
| 03:44.35 | Bounty | smooth sailing for the most part now |
| 03:45.29 | Shawn|Rawr | Then whats the problem? |
| 03:45.32 | Shawn|Rawr | sail on |
| 03:45.40 | Bounty | thats what im saying |
| 03:45.50 | Bounty | im pooped out and cant get anything done lol |
| 03:46.02 | Shawn|Rawr | I never get anything done anywa |
| 03:46.04 | Bounty | for the moment that is |
| 03:46.26 | Shawn|Rawr | I should act more like jade and accept that i'll never finish a map |
| 03:46.26 | Bounty | with a map like my new project its the kinda u dont even wanna touch unless u are in a creative mood |
| 03:46.53 | JademusSreg | I have finished a number of maps. |
| 03:46.58 | JademusSreg | Mostly demos. |
| 03:47.04 | JademusSreg | I have published one map./ |
| 03:47.10 | Bounty | well |
| 03:47.13 | Bounty | i just have to get this engine built |
| 03:47.20 | Bounty | with 1 working character |
| 03:47.25 | Bounty | then i can just add the other 5 no problem |
| 03:47.45 | JademusSreg | But more to the point, I don't stress about it. Mod in stride. |
| 03:47.46 | Shawn|Rawr | I meant more about how jman said you arent acting like you are working on anything specific |
| 03:48.00 | JademusSreg | Yeah, mostly I make maps to test my ideas. |
| 03:48.19 | Bounty | Jade is Mr.PoC |
| 03:48.24 | JademusSreg | Pretty much. |
| 03:48.30 | Bounty | which isnt really a bad thing lol |
| 03:48.50 | Bounty | nothing wrong with showing new shit u can do almost everyday |
| 03:49.07 | Bounty | wish i could do that >< |
| 03:49.23 | Shawn|Rawr | I'd like to see some more layout stuff |
| 03:49.31 | Bounty | all i know is, the only reason im starting this new project is so i can play it online |
| 03:49.35 | Bounty | bc the original game is for ps1 |
| 03:49.39 | Bounty | no online |
| 03:49.40 | Bounty | :( |
| 03:49.56 | Bounty | thats really the ONLY reason |
| 03:51.15 | JademusSreg | I intend to play with layout files too. |
| 03:51.20 | JademusSreg | *soon |
| 03:51.47 | Bounty | So |
| 03:51.54 | Bounty | anyone wanna post my map on the bnet forums for me? =P |
| 03:52.06 | Shawn|Rawr | YES |
| 03:52.20 | Bounty | just make sure u include the video |
| 03:52.28 | Bounty | i cant post bc im banned >< |
| 03:52.48 | Shawn|Rawr | I'll post it, but I'm not writing it |
| 03:52.50 | Shawn|Rawr | >.> |
| 03:52.59 | Bounty | just copy paste it |
| 03:53.01 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 03:53.03 | Bounty | but make a note |
| 03:53.06 | Bounty | that ur posting it for me |
| 03:53.49 | Shawn|Rawr | oh they'll know |
| 03:53.54 | Shawn|Rawr | THEY WILL KNOW |
| 03:54.05 | Bounty | =P |
| 03:57.34 | A1win | whee now I have awesome zoom in cameras when clicking on the mech |
| 03:57.56 | Bounty | anyone else not surprised that a thread creater of a thread called What is your favorite sc2 map has his favorite map as debates |
| 03:58.14 | Bounty | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/general/general-chat/19687-what-are-your-favorite-maps-why/#p4 |
| 04:00.35 | Agouti | don't you love it when something complicated and (at least at the start) seemingly not worth the effort comes together perfectly? |
| 04:00.44 | Agouti | and with neat code/data as a bonus |
| 04:24.56 | Agouti | wth? An action can have a return type - but you can't actually use that return anywhere |
| 04:25.00 | Agouti | well that is just stupid |
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| 04:29.12 | A1win | you can turn actions into functions so it's probably there for that |
| 04:29.40 | A1win | so you don't lose the value if you switch the other way round |
| 04:32.48 | Agouti | mm, possibly |
| 04:59.03 | CryptRat | What happens if you set your map to automated match-making? |
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| 05:22.42 | JademusSreg | =D |
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| 05:26.49 | Shawn|Rawr | Jade, I love you |
| 05:26.57 | Shawn|Rawr | Will you come to GA with me? |
| 05:26.59 | JademusSreg | Haha hwaht? |
| 05:26.59 | A1win | if I have UnitHighlightLocal.*.Start actor event and send HaloStart to the actor, will it show to other players or does that local event prevent it? |
| 05:27.22 | JademusSreg | I hope local prevents it! |
| 05:27.42 | A1win | the hyperion armory console uses that, but it's in singleplayer so... |
| 05:27.48 | JademusSreg | Though it doesn't seem clear to me to whom local refers. |
| 05:28.05 | A1win | well the player who highlights it? ;p |
| 05:28.23 | JademusSreg | Ah, my mistake. I misread. |
| 05:28.29 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 05:28.57 | A1win | is there any way to add that .*.Start without doing it in raw data mode? |
| 05:31.03 | JademusSreg | Dunno. I never tried. |
| 05:31.44 | JademusSreg | Probably not, since Blizzard is kind of nubby with GUI. |
| 05:32.17 | A1win | if that actor message is local, I can use the halo to indicate that the mechs are clickable inside the base o: |
| 05:32.54 | A1win | though I'll also need a overlay text on it to make it obvious... mmh |
| 05:32.55 | JademusSreg | Neato. |
| 05:33.20 | JademusSreg | Yeah, since actors are asynchronous, they can do some neat stuff. |
| 05:33.34 | A1win | I guess floating text would be easiest to align but then I wouldn't be able to use those green line image things they used in singleplayer |
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| 05:40.57 | A1win | hmm... do I even need "addons", might be better to just give abilities from the modules themselves, would give them even more diversity |
| 05:41.19 | A1win | though then their stats might become somewhat redundant if there was some nice utility ability |
| 05:41.58 | JademusSreg | Elaborate on these addons? |
| 05:42.13 | A1win | well, they'd be the "anything else" category |
| 05:42.25 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 05:42.42 | A1win | like gives you an ability to carry a bunch of marines with you and load/unload them on demand |
| 05:43.47 | A1win | and some more "normal" abilities like force field, blink, radar |
| 05:43.53 | JademusSreg | Flavors reminiscent of armored core. Building an efficient mech within the technical constraints was one of the most interesting and creative parts of the game, arguably more enjoyable even than playing the almost uniformally dull-design missions. |
| 05:44.10 | A1win | hmmh |
| 05:44.14 | A1win | never played that |
| 05:44.25 | A1win | or any other mech game ;D |
| 05:45.25 | A1win | I don't want to make this too complex either so I'm trying to figure out if I should leave some parts out or combine them into same slot or anything |
| 05:46.00 | A1win | for now it'd be hull, shields, engine, weapons and then some addon slots |
| 05:46.47 | JademusSreg | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SWio7yMmLU |
| 05:46.58 | A1win | oh right the original idea was that each module gives different number of addon slots of that module type... but that might be a bit too complicated |
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| 06:01.29 | A1win | hmm maybe so that hull gives also addon slots, would make the most sense and give it a bit of spice |
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| 06:02.00 | JademusSreg | Like weak hulls with tons of addon slots. |
| 06:02.10 | A1win | shields seems the most boring slot at the moment |
| 06:02.20 | A1win | all it does is give shields, shield armor and shield regeneration |
| 06:02.43 | A1win | do I even need shields... maybe have shield addons |
| 06:02.46 | JademusSreg | Shields are boring, and often kind of op. |
| 06:03.09 | JademusSreg | Not to mention, that is very sophisticated tech for pathetic terrans. |
| 06:03.17 | A1win | yeah, if I don't use them, I can make missions where you're not in a hurry all the time ;p |
| 06:03.50 | A1win | also one less numeric value to worry about |
| 06:04.08 | A1win | life and energy should be enough |
| 06:04.35 | A1win | so... hull, engine, weapons, addons |
| 06:04.51 | A1win | but should the number of weapon slots also vary... |
| 06:05.17 | A1win | might become too much of a hazzle |
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| 06:05.33 | A1win | and then they'd just be "addons that do different things" |
| 06:06.01 | A1win | maybe some weapons use multiple slots... |
| 06:06.12 | A1win | though that might be rather confusing as well |
| 06:07.18 | A1win | two weapon slots and just make different weapons reduce speed different amounts |
| 06:07.50 | A1win | or maybe primary and secondary slots..? though then they'd need separate weapon categories |
| 06:08.09 | A1win | nah, just two identical weapon slots |
| 06:08.56 | JademusSreg | Hm. It's a question of balancing accessability, the pick-up-and-play factor, and depth of customizability. |
| 06:09.41 | A1win | the addons will probably be the most interesting parts to customize, and then weapons |
| 06:09.53 | JademusSreg | You could well make something as complicated as Armored Core or something, but people would spend more time designing their mecha than playing missions. =) |
| 06:10.24 | A1win | hull is an "enabler" with the different number of slots, and engine enables different amounts of energy and movement speed I guess |
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| 06:22.54 | A1win | can I change sounds for a unit on runtime? |
| 06:23.04 | JademusSreg | Pardon? |
| 06:23.19 | A1win | I mean the set of sounds its actor uses for stuff |
| 06:23.40 | JademusSreg | The infestor neural parasite buff seems to modify sounds in some way. |
| 06:23.51 | A1win | hmm true |
| 06:23.52 | JademusSreg | So it is possible in some sense. |
| 06:26.30 | A1win | I wonder how... |
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| 06:32.26 | A1win | ah, modification - sounds |
| 06:32.40 | A1win | except that neural parasite doesn't have anything there D: |
| 06:33.15 | A1win | ...and it does it differently for all units so dunno |
| 06:33.32 | JademusSreg | The mystery is afoot! |
| 06:33.37 | A1win | but if it's this simple then it's fine |
| 06:34.06 | A1win | was thinking to let the player choose his character and just swap the mech's portrait and sounds based on it :P |
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| 06:37.17 | CryptRat | So |
| 06:37.39 | CryptRat | I want to have combat such that a unit can enter 1-on-1 combat with another unit even when there's a whole horde on both sides. |
| 06:38.11 | CryptRat | What I'm thinking is having an ability on every unit that fires a trigger which will temporarily disable move and attack for every other unit and halt the game timer. |
| 06:38.33 | CryptRat | Is there anything I could possibly be not thinking about that could go horribly wrong? |
| 06:38.50 | JademusSreg | Only everything. |
| 06:39.00 | CryptRat | Oh. :( |
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| 06:39.21 | CryptRat | Like what? |
| 06:39.26 | Bounty | Hai guys |
| 06:39.35 | A1win | mmh the modification - sounds can't modify the group sounds... are those played when the unit is in a group with others or what? |
| 06:40.01 | JademusSreg | I don't really know what you're doing Crypt, but that will just make the disabled units vulnerable. |
| 06:44.44 | A1win | mmh too bad most of the untis have some unit type specific voices, especially in the pissed sounds :P |
| 06:47.33 | A1win | ...also a bit weird if the pilot is the player's character and keeps saying this like "roger that" |
| 06:48.02 | A1win | and might get a bit annoying listening to the same unit all the time... maybe I should just disable the voices :s |
| 06:48.45 | A1win | less is moar |
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| 06:54.19 | A1win | err... can I even change the portrait of an actor |
| 06:54.42 | JademusSreg | Dynamically? I am doubtful. =) |
| 06:54.51 | A1win | yeah... |
| 06:55.38 | JademusSreg | Changes can be performed to the portrait. |
| 06:55.53 | JademusSreg | I wonder how far that extends. |
| 06:56.12 | JademusSreg | Remember the rainbow archone demonstration of the power of the data editor? |
| 06:56.17 | JademusSreg | *archon |
| 06:56.33 | A1win | mmm |
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| 07:09.39 | Bounty | well... looks like im not doing terrain collision with projectiles lol |
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| 07:31.16 | JademusSreg | Time to sleep, give my computer a break. =) |
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| 08:17.27 | grim001 | . |
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| 08:29.52 | MrOp | hi grimm |
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| 08:35.19 | MrOp | sup |
| 08:41.38 | grim001 | being forced to reformat the computer containing all my mapping stuff... making backups of everything now |
| 08:41.58 | grim001 | that comp has needed a reformat for a long time |
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| 08:58.02 | Bounty | Ok seriously what the FUCK |
| 08:58.08 | Bounty | "Document dependency does not specify a Battle.net file" |
| 08:58.11 | MrOp | ok bounty |
| 08:58.12 | Bounty | i published the mod |
| 08:58.13 | MrOp | i need you |
| 08:58.15 | Bounty | no |
| 08:58.16 | Bounty | not now |
| 08:58.17 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:58.20 | MrOp | @#$@#$ |
| 08:58.21 | Bounty | this is pissing me off |
| 08:58.23 | MrOp | @#$@#$#@$ |
| 08:58.27 | Bounty | i fucking published the mod |
| 08:58.32 | MrOp | oO |
| 08:58.36 | MrOp | come on |
| 08:58.37 | Bounty | put it in the map |
| 08:58.44 | Bounty | and its saying that shit |
| 08:58.46 | Bounty | WTF |
| 08:59.12 | MrOp | i dont even know what your talking about, but i wish i could help you |
| 08:59.18 | MrOp | now come test my map |
| 08:59.21 | MrOp | XD |
| 08:59.27 | MrOp | for like 15 mins or less |
| 08:59.32 | Bounty | im talking about my entire fucking map is broken |
| 08:59.34 | Bounty | all of it |
| 08:59.36 | Bounty | i cant publish it |
| 08:59.39 | MrOp | WTF |
| 08:59.45 | MrOp | wow |
| 08:59.51 | MrOp | er go back a version |
| 08:59.57 | Bounty | cant |
| 09:00.03 | MrOp | why not |
| 09:00.10 | Bounty | a diff one |
| 09:00.18 | MrOp | please dont tell me you nuub out and on have one save |
| 09:00.24 | MrOp | (_ _) |
| 09:02.32 | MrOp | do you only have one save |
| 09:02.36 | MrOp | sigh |
| 09:02.48 | MrOp | please say its not so |
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| 09:16.03 | airtonix | how's it going with the enter key? |
| 09:19.15 | furymonkey | is wc3 icons competiable in sc2? |
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| 10:23.30 | Demo | Hello everyone, I am here. |
| 10:34.31 | MrOp | hi row |
| 10:38.40 | MrOp | night everyone |
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| 11:33.13 | Demo | How/where do I export images from the sc2 editor? |
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| 13:36.33 | Skizot | xttocs :O |
| 13:38.59 | JManV|Work | yo |
| 13:42.49 | xttocs | Hey Skittles |
| 13:42.51 | xttocs | err Skizot |
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| 14:02.20 | grim001 | i return |
| 14:03.25 | grim001 | it sure takes forever to update windows |
| 14:06.09 | JManV|Work | indeed |
| 14:09.32 | Demo | Weird... the event "unit is highlighted" is only firing on units that are either player 0 or my own... |
| 14:12.09 | Demo | "cannot be highlighted" |
| 14:12.12 | Demo | I GET IT |
| 14:12.47 | Demo | Still don't get why it matters but OKAY |
| 14:13.07 | Demo | maybe to prevent lag? |
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| 14:25.58 | grim001 | so I started downloading a windows update, it took 5 minutes before the server decided to start sending the file |
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| 14:38.38 | JademusSreg | I awaken. =D |
| 14:38.45 | Tobin- | Lol, i was waiting for it. |
| 14:38.56 | Tobin- | (signed in like half a second before you) |
| 14:39.18 | JademusSreg | I let my computer rest for a night. Then I dusted it. pch00000 |
| 14:40.08 | Tobin- | I should probably dust mine too, it looks like a tomb. |
| 14:42.14 | JademusSreg | I wanted to help my fans since my case is basically a bunch of fans. Dust makes it whine 4-fold. |
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| 14:44.13 | Ashamed | so i got something i gotta show you guys |
| 14:44.18 | Tobin- | I have mine in my room, i like the white noise when i sleep. |
| 14:44.49 | Tobin- | What would that be? |
| 14:45.14 | Demo | Ooooh jade, I just started giving you want you want on my map |
| 14:45.19 | JademusSreg | If the computer were in my bedroom, my wife would never get any sleep -- she'd kill me. |
| 14:45.34 | Demo | UNIT INFOZ |
| 14:46.05 | Demo | Only programmed for player 1 currently, but it loves you long time |
| 14:46.31 | JademusSreg | too buku |
| 14:46.44 | JademusSreg | Or is it bookoo? |
| 14:46.48 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 14:47.04 | Demo | I don't know what that is! |
| 14:47.23 | JademusSreg | You've never seen Full Metal Jacket? |
| 14:47.36 | Demo | Nope |
| 14:47.47 | Demo | I am however 9 years old, so that's probably why. |
| 14:48.18 | JademusSreg | In it, a Vietnamese prostitute says, in order to advertise her services, "me so horny, me love you long time". |
| 14:48.30 | Ashamed | http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/2633/317201180824am.png?http://imageshack.us/?no_multi=1 |
| 14:48.33 | Ashamed | look at that shiz |
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| 14:49.21 | JademusSreg | Except, upon propositioned by a black soldier, she says "too buku", meaning that his penis is too large for her to accept comfortably into her vaginal canal. |
| 14:49.22 | Tobin- | Thats ridiculous. |
| 14:49.52 | JademusSreg | They then negotiate, and he shows his penis, and recognizing it is in fact not too buku, she acepts his proposition.\ |
| 14:50.04 | JademusSreg | *accepts |
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| 14:51.14 | Demo | Why would you tell a 9 year old this? |
| 14:51.29 | JademusSreg | What the hell do I care? |
| 14:51.33 | Demo | lol |
| 14:51.35 | Demo | anyways |
| 14:51.39 | Demo | heres what I've made |
| 14:51.40 | Demo | http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/5997/screen2al.jpg |
| 14:51.56 | Demo | The extra box below is going to be a brief description of whatever unit it is |
| 14:51.58 | DonKalypso | Anyone in here good with LBP2? I have some questions regarding the Counter. |
| 14:52.13 | JademusSreg | Nice, Demo. |
| 14:52.25 | JademusSreg | Clean and informative. |
| 14:52.45 | JademusSreg | LBP2? |
| 14:53.21 | DonKalypso | Little Big Planet 2 |
| 14:53.24 | Demo | Is that the type of information you would like to see while playing? Is there a statistic you would like to see? |
| 14:53.34 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 14:53.57 | JademusSreg | Does it display the "attack" information for non damage attacks? |
| 14:54.39 | JManV|Work | what are the red and black bars? |
| 14:54.44 | Demo | Hmm JademusSreg ?! |
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| 14:55.47 | JademusSreg | Does it display the "attack" information for non damage attacks? |
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| 14:56.07 | JademusSreg | Such as Sentry Drone rendering a target invincible? |
| 14:57.31 | JManV|Work | if i may: i think the text tags and the progress bar (that i'm not sure what it's for) really distract from the cool unit models, as well as distracting you from noticing which unit is actually selected |
| 14:58.04 | JManV|Work | the progress bars more so than the text tags |
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| 15:01.37 | Demo | My IRC crashed |
| 15:01.53 | Demo | What did you think Jade, is there anything that should be added? |
| 15:02.53 | JManV|Work | i like the grid |
| 15:03.04 | JademusSreg | Does it display the "attack" information for non damage attacks? |
| 15:03.06 | JademusSreg | Such as Sentry Drone rendering a target invincible? |
| 15:03.10 | Demo | Yes |
| 15:03.18 | Demo | When You select the PDD |
| 15:03.21 | JademusSreg | Then no, I think it is sufficient. |
| 15:03.22 | Demo | instead of saying Damage: 151589y57 |
| 15:03.25 | JManV|Work | and the top left dialog looks really nice |
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| 15:03.38 | Demo | it says "Makes Units Immune to Damage" |
| 15:03.48 | Demo | and for the Infestor |
| 15:03.52 | Demo | "Paralyzes Units" |
| 15:04.00 | Demo | and the Zentry |
| 15:04.02 | JManV|Work | i think the progress bars get in the way tho |
| 15:04.06 | JademusSreg | And you're still not managing the complexity with functions? =) |
| 15:04.27 | Demo | Dude, I am taking hours upon hours to do this crap |
| 15:04.58 | Demo | what do you mean J |
| 15:05.02 | Demo | what progress bars |
| 15:05.47 | JManV|Work | if i may: i think the text tags and the progress bar (that i'm not sure what it's for) really distract from the cool unit models, as well as distracting you from noticing which unit is actually selected |
| 15:05.54 | JManV|Work | i think the progress bars get in the way tho |
| 15:05.58 | JManV|Work | the progress bars more so than the text tags |
| 15:06.20 | Demo | I could show you the map |
| 15:06.29 | Demo | The progress bars indicate wether the unit can move or not |
| 15:06.37 | JManV|Work | ok |
| 15:06.40 | Demo | and since those are not your units |
| 15:06.46 | JManV|Work | they're directly across the middle of the units |
| 15:06.48 | Demo | selecting them shows up differently |
| 15:06.51 | Demo | right |
| 15:06.55 | Demo | if they were above |
| 15:07.01 | Demo | it would get confusing |
| 15:07.10 | JManV|Work | what about below? |
| 15:07.16 | Demo | thanks to blizzard |
| 15:07.20 | Demo | I can't put it below |
| 15:07.32 | Demo | it's an energy bar |
| 15:07.50 | Demo | and setting ui frames negative in that field does nothing |
| 15:07.54 | JManV|Work | you can set the height of it, can't you? |
| 15:07.57 | JManV|Work | oh, ok |
| 15:07.58 | Demo | or at least did 6 months ago |
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| 15:08.06 | Demo | it's at 0 |
| 15:08.12 | Demo | you can hide the bars |
| 15:08.13 | JManV|Work | ok |
| 15:08.21 | Demo | using alt |
| 15:08.26 | JManV|Work | it just really seems to distract from the cool graphics, imo |
| 15:08.30 | Demo | or if you have the opposite |
| 15:08.39 | Demo | holding alt will show it |
| 15:08.42 | Demo | Trust me |
| 15:08.47 | Demo | I wish I could put it below |
| 15:08.58 | Demo | and if there is some sort of work around, I'd be glad to find it |
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| 15:09.09 | Demo | however I'm going to see if they can go negative yet |
| 15:09.16 | Demo | as I haven't attempted that for several months |
| 15:10.08 | Demo | FieldDark Templar UI - Bar Offset0 |
| 15:10.23 | Demo | Attempting to set that field to -10! |
| 15:10.51 | Demo | Removes the bar just like before :( |
| 15:11.03 | JManV|Work | suck |
| 15:11.18 | Demo | I mean I may remove it if enough people complain |
| 15:11.27 | Demo | as there will be other ways to know if the unit can move or not |
| 15:11.36 | JManV|Work | alright, just offering my opinion |
| 15:11.39 | JManV|Work | it looks really good |
| 15:12.01 | JManV|Work | i just think it could look a little better if you could see the units better |
| 15:12.12 | Demo | and I appreciate it, any good criticism is something I will always take in |
| 15:12.21 | JManV|Work | like you can barely tell that that's a tank |
| 15:12.32 | Demo | lol yeah |
| 15:12.39 | JManV|Work | hellions also |
| 15:12.50 | Demo | I'd make their models bigger |
| 15:12.55 | Demo | but then you can't click the tiles |
| 15:13.26 | JademusSreg | If you make them unselectable, you'd have to do everything by time, which would be optimal. |
| 15:13.33 | JademusSreg | *tile |
| 15:13.59 | JademusSreg | But you'd need to associate the units and the tiles to retrieve them. |
| 15:14.00 | Demo | I'm not dead set on removing the black bars, I may add an option to add/remove them |
| 15:14.02 | Demo | depending |
| 15:14.26 | JManV|Work | also, i'd use a graphic for the left/right buttons on the camera controls |
| 15:14.42 | JademusSreg | By data table, it would be O(1), by array, O(n), unless you store the the unit's array position in the tile unit's custom data. |
| 15:14.45 | JManV|Work | might want to make the buttons bigger or the font smaller as well |
| 15:15.02 | Demo | Well the way I have it set up right now Jade since I had to fix that one bug, is that if you have say the archon selected and you try to select another unit that is in his immediate attack range, you will target the tile underneath him instead |
| 15:15.10 | Demo | to clear your selection you can click any non colored tile |
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| 15:15.39 | Demo | to select a unit you can click the unit or the tile underneath it |
| 15:16.09 | Demo | Yeah JManV, I'll def do that after I get this beast of a trigger done |
| 15:16.25 | Demo | I have 4-5 things left to do before it's ready for release |
| 15:16.43 | JManV|Work | i'm excited at the idea of a TBS tho |
| 15:16.45 | Demo | and once those are done I'm going to go back trhough and perfect any graphical anomalies and the like |
| 15:16.48 | JManV|Work | <3 TBSs |
| 15:17.16 | Demo | Sadly, TBS are common among us, but I am unsure how the b.net community will take it |
| 15:17.28 | Demo | I'm adding things that they like |
| 15:17.35 | Demo | and things that will make them want to play again |
| 15:17.40 | JManV|Work | TBSs are hard with multiplayer, unf |
| 15:18.12 | JManV|Work | there are timing issues, if you make players wait too long |
| 15:18.25 | JManV|Work | vs. simulateous turns, which have their own timing issues |
| 15:18.31 | Demo | It's going to have a dynamic timer |
| 15:18.40 | Demo | based on how many movable units you have |
| 15:19.02 | Demo | So as games get towards the end, your timer is much shorter |
| 15:19.08 | JManV|Work | but me, i'm all cerebral and very little hand-eye, so I love TBSs |
| 15:19.18 | Demo | :) |
| 15:19.46 | Demo | I've gotten balance complaints already, but I think once they realize the strategy that I've tried to force behind it |
| 15:20.03 | Demo | they will notice that the "overpowered" units are also very weak, and very easy to counter |
| 15:20.31 | Demo | Not to mention those units also hurt your units if you play poorly |
| 15:20.38 | Demo | we shall see |
| 15:20.47 | Demo | it's a 1 value change to balance |
| 15:21.07 | JManV|Work | are there hotkeys for the top menu? |
| 15:21.07 | Demo | I do however want to make the queen better and the stone zealot not useless |
| 15:21.07 | Demo | yes |
| 15:21.07 | JManV|Work | <3 hotkeys |
| 15:21.17 | JManV|Work | coo. |
| 15:21.18 | Demo | a to attack |
| 15:21.19 | Demo | e to move |
| 15:21.26 | Demo | I'm removing t to end turn |
| 15:21.33 | JManV|Work | good |
| 15:21.34 | Demo | I can see people typing |
| 15:21.38 | Demo | and pressing it |
| 15:21.40 | JManV|Work | i'm ok with clicking to end turn |
| 15:21.41 | Demo | and getting mad |
| 15:21.57 | JManV|Work | but not to move and attack so much |
| 15:22.04 | Demo | defeat is going to have to be typed, or I'm going to make it so you have to click it twice in a row or something... |
| 15:22.23 | Demo | I mean with the ability to leacve |
| 15:22.24 | Demo | leave* |
| 15:22.35 | Demo | it's not necessary to have a defeat button :/ |
| 15:22.45 | Demo | but the button will drop a nuke on all of your units :) |
| 15:22.51 | Demo | 1 nuke |
| 15:22.54 | Demo | kill all your units* |
| 15:23.27 | Demo | I'm still trying to find a balanced number for turn delay |
| 15:23.38 | Demo | 5 seconds per unit, minimum of 20 seconds |
| 15:23.40 | Demo | seems fair |
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| 15:23.53 | Demo | +10 seconds after moving or attacking |
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| 15:24.17 | JManV|Work | you can have a confirm dialog |
| 15:24.24 | JManV|Work | "are you sure you would like to surrender?" |
| 15:24.34 | Demo | Ah that is the best way :) |
| 15:24.45 | Demo | I was told by someone to move it |
| 15:24.49 | Demo | and I like where it is |
| 15:25.02 | Demo | so I figured the reason for moving it was because of "accidental clicks" |
| 15:25.27 | JManV|Work | frankly, i think that's a somewhat awkward position for the main menu, but hotkeys make it matter less |
| 15:25.43 | JManV|Work | and i could see why having it up top could keep it out of the way |
| 15:25.45 | Nash|327 | kittuns |
| 15:26.05 | Demo | I like things centered, but I'm not done with that menu yet |
| 15:26.12 | Demo | I'm going to give it better buttons |
| 15:26.20 | Demo | and then for whichever button is chosen |
| 15:26.23 | Demo | it will be bigger |
| 15:26.31 | Demo | 'and as you transition from one to the other |
| 15:26.44 | Demo | they will animate |
| 15:26.54 | Demo | baby steps |
| 15:27.08 | Demo | Do you think 50 seconds of time for 10 units is fair time to move/attack? |
| 15:27.10 | JManV|Work | i mean, it feels like it would be easier to click if it were on the bottom or right side |
| 15:27.54 | JManV|Work | 50 seconds for 10 units? |
| 15:28.02 | JManV|Work | depends on how much strategy is involved |
| 15:28.14 | JManV|Work | in chess, 50 seconds can sometimes not be enough to move 1 unit |
| 15:28.14 | Nash|327 | what is this I don't even |
| 15:28.31 | Demo | could be a lot, could be very little, depending on what style you play |
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| 15:28.52 | JademusSreg | Nash, it's turn based strategy. |
| 15:29.09 | Demo | I just feel for multiplayer there HAS to be some sort of timer |
| 15:29.14 | JManV|Work | personally, i like to think at least one turn ahead, and if it takes me a minute to figure out what all my opponent can do in his next turn, i need that time |
| 15:29.17 | Demo | because people want to win |
| 15:29.49 | Demo | and will grief to make people not want to stay and the like |
| 15:29.52 | JManV|Work | so you can speed that up by giving me easy access to "here's where this guy can move next turn" type info |
| 15:30.03 | Nash|327 | People want to lose and be humiliated D: |
| 15:30.24 | JManV|Work | smaller maps fascilitate faster gameplay, too, me thinks |
| 15:30.25 | Demo | The black bars will make that really apparent |
| 15:30.41 | JManV|Work | ever play advanced wars? |
| 15:30.45 | Demo | which units your opponent can use |
| 15:30.48 | Demo | I have not |
| 15:31.02 | JManV|Work | that's a game where you can spend 5 minutes just figuring out where is safe and where is not |
| 15:31.26 | Nash|327 | BURN TAZED STRATEGY D: |
| 15:31.28 | JManV|Work | cuz its kind of difficult to get to a units move radius, and you have to do it per unit |
| 15:31.39 | Demo | At first the game will be like that... for sure |
| 15:31.52 | Demo | but once you memorize their movement range and attack ranges |
| 15:32.00 | Demo | it will come quicker |
| 15:32.02 | Demo | however |
| 15:32.18 | JManV|Work | are you gonna have indirect fire? |
| 15:32.19 | Demo | actually no however ignore me |
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| 15:32.30 | Demo | What do you mean? |
| 15:32.42 | JManV|Work | i guess the tank would probably be indirect fire |
| 15:32.49 | JManV|Work | shooting at a unit that's not right next to you |
| 15:33.01 | Demo | A large majority of the units are indirect |
| 15:33.04 | JManV|Work | a lot of games, indirect fire = shoot and not move |
| 15:33.18 | JManV|Work | although some games/units allow shoot and move with indirect fire |
| 15:33.28 | JManV|Work | but indirect fire shoot + move is very powerful |
| 15:33.40 | Demo | well most of the units that have indirect firing |
| 15:33.45 | Demo | also hit in an area |
| 15:33.54 | Demo | so if you want to hit far |
| 15:33.58 | JManV|Work | interesting |
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| 15:34.01 | Demo | you have to expose your weak units |
| 15:34.06 | Nash|327 | my head hurts |
| 15:34.21 | Demo | Like the hellion can hits 4 tiles in any direction you choose |
| 15:34.41 | Demo | however getting your hellion in a position to do enough damage |
| 15:34.48 | Demo | is very risky |
| 15:35.01 | JManV|Work | ok, but it has to hit a tile directly next to him, right? |
| 15:35.02 | Demo | as the hellion can be killed within two turns by almost any combination of units |
| 15:35.08 | Demo | yes |
| 15:35.13 | JManV|Work | that's actually direct fire |
| 15:35.18 | JManV|Work | with an AOE |
| 15:35.26 | Demo | hmm let me think then |
| 15:35.35 | JManV|Work | like maybe dragoon in FFT |
| 15:35.43 | Demo | the tank, archon, and stone zealot are the only ones then |
| 15:35.45 | JManV|Work | hit two units in a row, but he had to be next to him |
| 15:35.56 | JManV|Work | yeah, tank would almost certainly be indirect fire |
| 15:36.08 | Demo | the roach is a simple melee units |
| 15:36.21 | Demo | the dark templar teleports and isn't blocked by opponents units |
| 15:36.32 | Demo | as well as he hits from the opposing side of where he is attacking |
| 15:36.46 | Demo | teh queen hits all 4 tiles around her |
| 15:36.56 | Demo | the archon hits ina + shape up to 3 tiles away |
| 15:37.15 | Demo | stone zealot in a line at 2 and 3 tiles away |
| 15:37.20 | Demo | hmm |
| 15:37.25 | Demo | that's really it for attacking nunits |
| 15:37.31 | Demo | oh and the ghost |
| 15:37.45 | Demo | ranged unit that can hit up to 6 tiles away |
| 15:37.51 | Demo | but if anything is in his way |
| 15:37.53 | Nash|327 | You should make images instead |
| 15:37.55 | Demo | he will hit it instead |
| 15:38.01 | Demo | images of what? |
| 15:38.16 | Nash|327 | of the attacks, AOE etc |
| 15:38.50 | Demo | sec |
| 15:38.53 | Demo | I actually have that |
| 15:39.35 | Nash|327 | and turn based games are easy to paper prototype |
| 15:40.22 | Demo | ? |
| 15:40.28 | Demo | I'm not sure what that means sir |
| 15:40.49 | Nash|327 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_prototype |
| 15:40.51 | Demo | You mean talking about it isn't the same as doing? |
| 15:41.32 | Demo | http://img143.imageshack.us/slideshow/webplayer.php?id=screenshot2010092004281.jpg |
| 15:41.55 | Demo | some of them are not in use |
| 15:41.58 | Demo | and may never be |
| 15:42.05 | Nash|327 | basically you can make the game or parts of it on paper as a board game |
| 15:42.35 | Demo | The game is already playable though! |
| 15:42.40 | Demo | :) |
| 15:43.24 | JManV|Work | so it's not really indirect vs direct so much as it is a lot of different types of attacks. cool. |
| 15:43.26 | Nash|327 | well, you can make mockups showing how attacks look, and such |
| 15:44.05 | Nash|327 | Those images you had don't show the attacks in relation to the unit and board as a whole |
| 15:44.09 | Nash|327 | so they don't say much |
| 15:44.41 | Demo | Well, if you are interested, you can always come play |
| 15:45.17 | Nash|327 | not at the moment, my head hurts and everything is sort of woozy |
| 15:45.44 | Demo | Go beat your head up |
| 15:45.47 | Demo | and listen to this to laugh |
| 15:45.51 | Demo | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD2LRROpph0 |
| 15:46.05 | Nash|327 | I need to drink more |
| 15:46.53 | Demo | Agreed |
| 15:46.57 | Nash|327 | I have to force myself to drink every day D; |
| 15:47.02 | Demo | I need to stop sitting here and go do more work... |
| 15:47.11 | Nash|327 | I pretty much never get thirsty |
| 15:47.19 | Demo | :/ odd |
| 15:47.24 | Nash|327 | so if I don't make myself drink I get dehydrated |
| 15:47.46 | JManV|Work | that's a horrible song |
| 15:47.51 | Demo | I know it is! |
| 15:48.02 | Nash|327 | I barely get hungry either |
| 15:48.04 | Demo | It makes me laugh at how serious everyone is taking it |
| 15:48.22 | Demo | and there is a specific part of it, that you know they are going "wtf were we thinking" |
| 15:48.29 | JManV|Work | its like absolutely void of content |
| 15:48.51 | JManV|Work | banelings has more content |
| 15:49.19 | Nash|327 | My brain is really good at ignoring signals from the body, for good and bad :G |
| 15:49.19 | JManV|Work | "yesterday was thursday. today is friday" - those pass as lyrics? |
| 15:49.34 | JManV|Work | "tomorrow is saturday. sunday is after that" |
| 15:49.36 | Nash|327 | Yeah, well so do "la la la la la" |
| 15:49.36 | JManV|Work | wtf?!?!?! |
| 15:49.53 | JademusSreg | Wutafuck? |
| 15:49.56 | Demo | LOL |
| 15:49.56 | Nash|327 | Or "zigazig ha" |
| 15:49.57 | JManV|Work | hey, la la la is a valid use of the vocal instrument |
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| 15:50.07 | Demo | I love the beginning |
| 15:50.13 | Demo | Sitting at the bus stop |
| 15:50.16 | JManV|Work | i like it when people use the human instrument in non-lyrical ways |
| 15:50.16 | Demo | those are my friends |
| 15:50.31 | JademusSreg | I'll get with your friends alright hurr hurr. |
| 15:50.43 | Demo | So cool story |
| 15:50.45 | Nash|327 | They're underage D: |
| 15:50.51 | Demo | Even though that is the worst music video ever |
| 15:51.03 | Demo | It's getting about 7 million views/day |
| 15:51.18 | Demo | it went viral yesterday |
| 15:51.24 | Nash|327 | Because people keep inflicting it on others. |
| 15:51.28 | Nash|327 | PEOPLE LIKE YOU |
| 15:51.35 | Demo | LOL |
| 15:51.38 | JManV|Work | heh |
| 15:51.44 | JManV|Work | it's like a train wreck |
| 15:51.47 | Nash|327 | YOU ARE THE CANCER THAT IS KILLING THE INTERNET |
| 15:51.54 | JManV|Work | it's horrible but you can't look away |
| 15:52.00 | Nash|327 | YOU AND ALL YOUR ILK |
| 15:52.07 | JademusSreg | Zigazig ha made me think of that terrible song. |
| 15:52.09 | Demo | fun fun think about fun, you know what it is |
| 15:52.15 | JManV|Work | plus she's kind of easy on the eyes, so... |
| 15:52.31 | Nash|327 | pedobear approves? |
| 15:52.31 | JademusSreg | The internet is cancer, so cancer isn't exactly the problem here. |
| 15:52.31 | Demo | Frieeeeday frieeeeeday gettin down on frieeeeday |
| 15:52.55 | JManV|Work | makes me wish i was 16 again so that i could not have a chance in hell again :P |
| 15:53.16 | Nash|327 | Attractive women do not qualify as interesting content. |
| 15:53.25 | JManV|Work | no, they're a dime a dozen |
| 15:53.51 | Demo | Yesterday was thursday, thursday, today it is friday,friday, we, we, we, so excited, we so excited, we gonna have a ball today, tomorrow is saturday, and sunday comes afterwards |
| 15:53.52 | Nash|327 | Indeed. |
| 15:53.52 | JademusSreg | The internet is rampant growth. Or, if you prefer, Rampant Growth cast on a target artifact creature. |
| 15:54.02 | Demo | No one knows who the black guy is |
| 15:54.09 | JademusSreg | Him? |
| 15:54.12 | JademusSreg | He's Jeromey. |
| 15:54.24 | Nash|327 | I never got to the black guy. |
| 15:54.26 | Demo | I'd call you no one |
| 15:54.31 | Demo | but that'd be rude |
| 15:54.41 | Demo | Who is Jeromey? |
| 15:54.48 | Demo | or did you hear him call himself that |
| 15:55.03 | Nash|327 | I got to the part where all the pimply little douches were in the car acting cool and talking about partying |
| 15:55.10 | Nash|327 | and that was quite enough for me |
| 15:55.27 | Nash|327 | I'd rather listen to NOFX or something :G |
| 15:55.38 | Demo | :) |
| 15:55.41 | Demo | FRIEEEEDAY! |
| 15:56.11 | JademusSreg | http://www.mspaintadventures.com/sweetbroandhellajeff/?cid=007.jpg |
| 15:56.17 | JademusSreg | I spelled it wrong. |
| 15:57.05 | Demo | O...kay |
| 15:57.18 | Nash|327 | That was one of the worst webcomics I have seen. |
| 15:57.26 | Nash|327 | D; |
| 15:57.35 | JademusSreg | Then the joke is complete. |
| 15:57.39 | JademusSreg | I won;'t even spoil it. |
| 15:58.44 | Demo | Do you think it would be better to have that dialog pop up near the mouse? Offset to the upper right? |
| 15:58.56 | Demo | instead of all the way in the top right |
| 15:59.00 | Demo | r |
| 15:59.01 | Demo | left |
| 15:59.03 | Demo | er* |
| 15:59.44 | Demo | God.. |
| 15:59.54 | Demo | what type of information should I put in that box below? |
| 15:59.57 | Nash|327 | remember Fitt's law! |
| 16:00.10 | Demo | I was thinking of common uses |
| 16:00.14 | Demo | or what the unit does if it's special |
| 16:00.21 | Nash|327 | especially with time limits on gameplay :P |
| 16:01.18 | Demo | yeah... |
| 16:01.38 | Demo | finding the correct offset could be a pain in the ass though... |
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| 16:02.38 | Nash|327 | I could probably offer lots of criticism if my brain was working properly and I had tested it |
| 16:02.50 | Demo | Give it a few more days |
| 16:02.59 | Demo | and I should have everything pretty streamlined |
| 16:04.14 | JManV|FoodZ | when you get it done, submit it for map night |
| 16:04.23 | JManV|FoodZ | is it 2 player only? |
| 16:04.23 | JademusSreg | Woo |
| 16:04.29 | JademusSreg | We'll each pair off. |
| 16:04.46 | Nash|327 | and go forth and multiply? |
| 16:04.54 | JManV|FoodZ | anyways, foodz |
| 16:04.55 | JManV|FoodZ | bbiaf |
| 16:08.10 | Demo | yes it is 2 player only |
| 16:08.50 | Demo | I've thought of ways to implement more players, but yeah.. not gonna happen |
| 16:08.59 | Demo | unless someone comes up with some amazing idea |
| 16:10.08 | Nash|327 | 2v2 etc wouldn't work? |
| 16:10.27 | Nash|327 | then again, more players = more waiting around |
| 16:12.22 | Demo | Well I thought of doing a 2v2, thought of doing two 1v1s then winners play one another |
| 16:12.54 | Demo | 2v2 is appealing, but would take soooo long to finish |
| 16:13.08 | Demo | tournament style can be done without implementing it into the map |
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| 16:14.15 | Nash|327 | tournament style is probably best, with 2 concurrent matches and winners face each others and losers fight for 3rd place |
| 16:15.02 | Demo | yes and no |
| 16:15.04 | Demo | the games can take different amounts of time to finish |
| 16:15.15 | Demo | so you run into X amount of time sitting around waiting |
| 16:15.30 | Demo | I mean I'd set it so you can watch the other people |
| 16:15.32 | Demo | but still |
| 16:15.37 | Demo | There will be a rating system |
| 16:15.39 | Nash|327 | yeah, that's unavoidable |
| 16:15.54 | Demo | people will be able to go to whatever channel |
| 16:16.03 | Demo | and play vs other high ranked players |
| 16:16.06 | Demo | rated* |
| 16:16.33 | Nash|327 | D: |
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| 16:16.48 | Demo | I'll have to get with 1 2 about bank encryption |
| 16:16.56 | Demo | won't solve the problem |
| 16:16.59 | Demo | but it will help |
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| 16:17.07 | Demo | wtb banks stored on blizz servers! |
| 16:19.45 | Bibendus | me2 |
| 16:19.53 | Demo | I mean lets be honest |
| 16:19.58 | Demo | it's not hard for them to implement |
| 16:20.06 | Demo | and if they put a limit on bank sizes |
| 16:20.08 | Demo | to I dunno |
| 16:20.12 | Demo | 10kb |
| 16:20.27 | Demo | they will never stress their resources |
| 16:20.39 | Demo | I mean they give us what 100mb? |
| 16:21.17 | Bibendus | haem |
| 16:21.20 | Bibendus | 10kb for each player |
| 16:21.20 | Bibendus | :P |
| 16:21.26 | Bibendus | for each map that uses them |
| 16:21.30 | Demo | right |
| 16:21.39 | Bibendus | btw |
| 16:21.44 | Bibendus | giving low size of bank |
| 16:21.47 | Bibendus | shounot be a problem |
| 16:21.52 | Demo | no I know |
| 16:21.53 | Bibendus | i suppose they will implement it in the future |
| 16:21.54 | Bibendus | just wait |
| 16:21.55 | Bibendus | :P |
| 16:22.04 | Demo | 95% of the banks are literally 1kb |
| 16:22.14 | Demo | but if they limit it to something realistic |
| 16:22.52 | Demo | I mean it could all literally be covered by a couple TB drives |
| 16:23.10 | Demo | which are cheap as hell |
| 16:23.23 | Demo | I dunno |
| 16:23.36 | Demo | I sometimes feel like blizz made sc2 knowing it's profit margin was really small |
| 16:23.43 | wOlfLinG | It's probably more than you would expect |
| 16:23.48 | Demo | and treating it the same size |
| 16:24.24 | Demo | Even if it is, all it takes is a custom game like DotA to come out and attract people that wouldn't normally play sc2 |
| 16:25.09 | wOlfLinG | A big map could have maybe 20kb banks for 14 players. With 5000 players for a popular map, thats 1,400,000kb |
| 16:25.09 | Demo | I really just don't see the logic of why it hasn't been implemented, and all we got was a they have plans for banks |
| 16:25.38 | Demo | why would a bank need to be 20kb is my question |
| 16:25.53 | Demo | I think 10 is even too much but regardless |
| 16:25.58 | Demo | 1.4gb |
| 16:26.02 | Demo | is not much to me at all |
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| 16:26.22 | Bibendus | i think that player stats |
| 16:26.28 | Bibendus | store more infos |
| 16:26.33 | Bibendus | than a stupid 10kb bank file |
| 16:26.41 | Demo | I agree |
| 16:26.50 | Bibendus | and btw they could just start with stupid small bank files |
| 16:26.52 | Bibendus | like 1k |
| 16:26.55 | Bibendus | and then increase |
| 16:26.58 | Demo | yeah |
| 16:27.05 | Bibendus | but still space is not the real problem on servers |
| 16:27.11 | Bibendus | the problem may be the bandwidth |
| 16:27.23 | Demo | I'd slap them if that's their excuse |
| 16:27.23 | Bibendus | but still i think servers send more informations |
| 16:27.30 | Bibendus | not excuse |
| 16:27.34 | Bibendus | talking about server usage |
| 16:27.43 | Bibendus | disk space is infinite |
| 16:27.51 | Bibendus | bandwidth is less infinite |
| 16:27.51 | Bibendus | :P |
| 16:28.02 | Demo | I dunno, I'm rather disappointed with the responses we get |
| 16:28.12 | Bibendus | did they respond |
| 16:28.13 | Bibendus | to that? |
| 16:28.21 | Demo | they did a while ago |
| 16:28.25 | Demo | saying that they had plans for it |
| 16:28.28 | Demo | but I think that plan |
| 16:28.34 | Demo | was the verifying bank |
| 16:28.37 | Demo | that we got |
| 16:28.57 | Clord | lol I think that guy who said thursday is patch day.. gonna be right |
| 16:28.58 | Bibendus | dunno |
| 16:29.07 | Clord | but then again.. I better my free bet with tuesday-friday |
| 16:29.08 | Clord | ^^ |
| 16:29.26 | JManV|Work | i wouldn't mind a server-stored checksum |
| 16:29.41 | JManV|Work | 4 bytes per player per custom game isn't a lot |
| 16:29.46 | JManV|Work | but it would protect a whole lot |
| 16:30.00 | Clord | 1) make that damn checksum thing work so that it not give false positives 2) store it server side for bank files |
| 16:30.27 | Demo | so bibendus |
| 16:30.28 | Bibendus | lol |
| 16:30.34 | Demo | you are the one that asked the question that I am talking about |
| 16:30.35 | Bibendus | does it give false positives? |
| 16:30.37 | JManV|Work | isn't it false negatives? |
| 16:30.38 | Demo | Q. (Bibendus) - Are you going to add a feature to store banks on server so they can't be viewed/edited/corrupted by users or concurrent maps? A. Bank protection will be added in a future patch to allow mapmakers to prevent users from modifying their bank data (optionally). |
| 16:30.50 | Bibendus | yep ;) |
| 16:30.52 | JManV|Work | i'd rather have false positives than false negatives |
| 16:30.54 | Demo | It's vague |
| 16:30.55 | Bibendus | i m used to make intelligent questions |
| 16:30.57 | Demo | at best |
| 16:31.02 | Demo | the answer that is |
| 16:31.30 | Bibendus | sigh |
| 16:31.36 | Demo | I really really hope that "verify bank" wasn't what they meant by protection |
| 16:31.38 | Demo | lol |
| 16:31.51 | JManV|Work | i'm pretty sure it was |
| 16:31.54 | Demo | btw |
| 16:31.59 | Demo | that was on 9/24/10 |
| 16:32.04 | JManV|Work | they may have to revist it, tho |
| 16:32.13 | Demo | No offence to blizzard |
| 16:32.23 | JManV|Work | since its clearly inadequete |
| 16:32.34 | Bibendus | actully |
| 16:32.34 | Demo | but even without having the knowledge to change bank files |
| 16:32.36 | JManV|Work | and there's still nothing to prevent running from a backup |
| 16:32.37 | Bibendus | if it work |
| 16:32.38 | Bibendus | why not? |
| 16:32.54 | Bibendus | the CRC is not a bad idea |
| 16:32.56 | JManV|Work | 1) does it work |
| 16:33.02 | JManV|Work | 2) it doesn't prevent enough |
| 16:33.02 | Bibendus | if it doesnt work fix it |
| 16:33.06 | Demo | Because I have a simple solution to all bank encryptions |
| 16:33.06 | Bibendus | but the idea is not stupid |
| 16:33.21 | Demo | open the map offline |
| 16:33.26 | JManV|Work | you can still give all your stuff to someone else and then load a backup bank |
| 16:33.31 | Demo | memory edit to change the values you want |
| 16:33.31 | JManV|Work | nothing to prevent that whatsoever |
| 16:33.36 | Demo | save |
| 16:33.58 | Demo | move bank to where your online banks are saved |
| 16:34.01 | Demo | profit |
| 16:34.20 | Demo | I have yet to find a map that combats that, other than onetwos |
| 16:34.31 | Demo | but he didn't do it intentionally |
| 16:34.41 | JManV|Work | combats what? |
| 16:34.51 | Demo | memory editing and saving the bank files |
| 16:34.53 | Demo | for online use |
| 16:34.57 | Bibendus | mmm |
| 16:35.06 | Bibendus | fix and make |
| 16:35.13 | Bibendus | online only working banks? |
| 16:35.38 | JManV|Work | i actually have to disallow trading/giving items/units because of that giant hole in back protection |
| 16:35.50 | Demo | Yeah I dunno bib |
| 16:36.06 | Demo | I just really don't want someone giving themselves 9 extra tanks on my map |
| 16:36.09 | JManV|Work | and also the inability to uniquely identify a player |
| 16:36.22 | Bibendus | still i dont think u can crack it |
| 16:36.33 | Demo | I personally couldn't |
| 16:36.34 | Demo | no |
| 16:36.36 | Bibendus | doesnt the crc |
| 16:36.43 | Bibendus | control the player name too? |
| 16:36.49 | JManV|Work | i've heard of ppl cracking signatures |
| 16:36.59 | JManV|Work | unsure as to the validity of the claims, but... |
| 16:37.00 | Demo | as have I |
| 16:37.01 | Bibendus | then the signature is fake |
| 16:37.04 | Bibendus | i mean |
| 16:37.10 | Bibendus | is a stupid random number |
| 16:37.14 | Bibendus | instead of the account bnet id |
| 16:37.23 | Demo | you can't say that it's impossible to crack them |
| 16:37.30 | Demo | just impractical |
| 16:37.33 | Bibendus | if the check is online yes |
| 16:37.35 | Bibendus | it would work just |
| 16:37.36 | Bibendus | as a cd key |
| 16:37.45 | Demo | hmm |
| 16:37.51 | Bibendus | make a CRC that uses your name and your data file |
| 16:37.53 | Demo | I see what you are saying |
| 16:37.56 | Bibendus | send to the server |
| 16:37.58 | JManV|Work | i need the CRC to be server-side. that's all i need |
| 16:38.16 | Bibendus | and if the crc is wrong disconnect the player |
| 16:38.21 | Demo | but considering the fact that I can memory edit offline then go online |
| 16:38.24 | Bibendus | isnt that online now? |
| 16:38.34 | Bibendus | what will u memory edit? |
| 16:38.45 | Demo | well take onetwos map for instance |
| 16:38.53 | Demo | he tracks kills |
| 16:38.56 | Demo | I can change them |
| 16:38.58 | Demo | save them |
| 16:38.59 | Demo | go online |
| 16:39.04 | Demo | and have 40k kills |
| 16:39.08 | Bibendus | go online how? |
| 16:39.15 | Demo | moving the bank file that it saved |
| 16:39.16 | Bibendus | if the bank is saved only online |
| 16:39.18 | Bibendus | and not offline |
| 16:39.37 | Demo | they are saved offline currently |
| 16:39.40 | JManV|Work | but we don't even need to save the whole bank online |
| 16:39.43 | Bibendus | yes |
| 16:39.45 | Bibendus | thats the prob |
| 16:39.47 | JManV|Work | just the CRC is adequete |
| 16:39.48 | Bibendus | as i said |
| 16:39.48 | Demo | if they save online then fine |
| 16:39.58 | Demo | I thought you were arguing something else, my apologies |
| 16:39.59 | Bibendus | make a funcitonality to make banks work only online |
| 16:40.06 | Bibendus | and then another bank for offline plau |
| 16:40.17 | Bibendus | i mean u can create banks |
| 16:40.22 | Bibendus | only while online |
| 16:40.29 | Demo | Well to their defense, what I do is not exactly easy and takes too much time for it to be worth it |
| 16:40.38 | Demo | because I have to memory edit my name from Local Player |
| 16:40.50 | Demo | I have to memory edit how many "active players" there are |
| 16:40.54 | Bibendus | still they have their protections server side |
| 16:40.59 | Bibendus | and they can ban u if you make bad things |
| 16:41.21 | Demo | That wouldn't be a bad idea either |
| 16:41.33 | Demo | the map makers being able to report players for tampering with bank files |
| 16:41.37 | Demo | their* |
| 16:42.24 | Demo | I dunno, I'll def be using banks |
| 16:42.32 | Demo | and if someone hacks/cracks w/e |
| 16:42.39 | Demo | I'll make it harder to do via the map itself |
| 16:43.06 | JManV|Work | you can report someone now if you catch them |
| 16:43.13 | Demo | orly? |
| 16:43.32 | JManV|Work | yeah, i know a player abused the admin features of phantom mode a while ago |
| 16:43.35 | JManV|Work | and was mass reported |
| 16:43.48 | JManV|Work | i'm fairly certain at least some action was taken |
| 16:43.52 | JManV|Work | since there were replays |
| 16:44.01 | JManV|Work | and i never heard about it after that |
| 16:44.22 | JManV|Work | there's no reason you can't report them. cheating at custom maps is against the EULA also |
| 16:44.51 | JManV|Work | they have to be somewhat flagrant, however, to be caught |
| 16:45.10 | Demo | cheating is in the report a player |
| 16:45.18 | Demo | so yep |
| 16:45.25 | Demo | no way to know the action taken though |
| 16:45.39 | JManV|Work | fortunately, cheaters don't usually go small with their cheating |
| 16:45.51 | Demo | I never have! |
| 16:46.00 | JManV|Work | so if you keep in contact with your players, you should be able to root them out |
| 16:46.01 | Skizot | fuck yeah i go with like 3 girls and video tape it. |
| 16:46.07 | Skizot | oh wait.. cheating at games.. |
| 16:46.08 | JManV|Work | but that's a little more reactive than proactive |
| 16:46.09 | Skizot | uh... |
| 16:46.17 | Demo | I generally cheat games when I want to see the end because it's tedious grinding |
| 16:46.53 | Demo | onetwos map is probably one of the worse grinds on bnet right now |
| 16:47.02 | Demo | worst* |
| 16:47.22 | JManV|Work | yeah, i think i'm done at 3k kills |
| 16:47.30 | JManV|Work | i can't see any point to going further |
| 16:47.31 | Demo | I'm at 7k atm |
| 16:47.39 | Demo | was very pissed at 4k kills |
| 16:47.47 | Demo | when I got nothing but a new title |
| 16:47.58 | Demo | It's fun to play with friends |
| 16:48.01 | Demo | but after 1 game |
| 16:48.03 | Demo | we stop |
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| 16:48.09 | JManV|Work | yeah, the every-other-rank you get a benefit sucks when the levels are so far apart |
| 16:48.28 | Demo | It's smart design for the bnet population though |
| 16:48.40 | Demo | and the way map popularity works |
| 16:48.57 | Demo | I dunno, he has it at double intervals |
| 16:49.06 | Demo | 2k to 4k to 8k to 20k to 40k |
| 16:49.15 | Demo | I saw one person at 17k |
| 16:49.24 | Demo | that's the highest I've seen |
| 16:49.32 | JManV|Work | i've seen 16k |
| 16:49.37 | Demo | but I'm sure someone is over 20k |
| 16:49.46 | Demo | because he made something for 40k :/ |
| 16:49.46 | JManV|Work | normally im the highest in a game tho |
| 16:49.57 | Demo | I would prefer that his map work like the following |
| 16:49.58 | JManV|Work | or second at least |
| 16:50.04 | Demo | You defend one encampment |
| 16:50.15 | Demo | when you successfully defend it |
| 16:50.20 | JManV|Work | there's also huge balance shift between min and max rank, which is a problem |
| 16:50.21 | Demo | you get placed at another encampment |
| 16:50.26 | Demo | Oh I know |
| 16:50.30 | Demo | I qqed to him about how easy it was |
| 16:50.32 | JManV|Work | it's impossible at low ranks, and too easy at high ranks |
| 16:50.44 | Demo | because me and 3 buddies played it for the first time all at 0 kills and 4 manned it |
| 16:51.00 | Demo | once we got to about 50 kills each |
| 16:51.07 | Demo | they were just dying to anything we threw at them |
| 16:51.18 | Demo | but when you get to a full game of people over 5k |
| 16:51.22 | Demo | it's near impossible |
| 16:51.41 | Demo | I tried playing with competent people instead of newbies |
| 16:51.47 | Demo | I was second lowest at 5k |
| 16:51.55 | Demo | the 17k and 16k people were there with us |
| 16:52.09 | Demo | and ultralisks couldn't be solo'ed anymore |
| 16:52.29 | Demo | and the fatties OMG the fatties! |
| 16:52.45 | JManV|Work | brutalisks are nasty |
| 16:52.57 | JManV|Work | but yeah, the fatties are tough too |
| 16:53.05 | JManV|Work | with enough armor you can tank them tho |
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| 16:53.36 | Demo | the aberrations are my least favorite |
| 16:53.40 | Demo | they have too much hp |
| 16:53.42 | JManV|Work | yeah |
| 16:53.46 | Demo | and your entire team has to kill them |
| 16:53.54 | JManV|Work | aberrations and brutalisks do so much damage too |
| 16:54.05 | JManV|Work | and if you run out of places to run... |
| 16:54.11 | Demo | Is anyone available for a quick test? Want to see if the unit info is working properly |
| 16:54.25 | JManV|Work | <- @Work |
| 16:54.32 | Demo | :) I noticed |
| 16:54.37 | JManV|Work | supposed to be working :P |
| 16:55.37 | JManV|Work | i kinda half am working |
| 16:56.59 | Demo | I have to leave soon, so I'm debating what I want to do next on my map |
| 16:57.07 | Demo | none of them can be done in a small amount of time |
| 16:57.13 | Demo | considering one part is the banks |
| 16:57.22 | Demo | and I have no clue wtf I am doing in that department |
| 16:57.47 | Demo | Who knows |
| 16:58.13 | Demo | gonna shower |
| 16:58.19 | Demo | hopefully someone will be on to test when I get back |
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| 17:08.04 | Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo | Hi there, can someone tell me what functions I can use to display text in Galaxy? TriggerDebugOutput only takes files, not strings |
| 17:08.36 | Tobin- | If i use issue order to attack unit group, will they attack the nearest unit from that unit group first? |
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| 17:09.51 | Ashamed | i would imagine that would be the case tobin |
| 17:10.59 | Bibendus | is now away - Reason : Auto-Away after 30 minutes |
| 17:14.20 | JademusSreg | UIDisplayMessage |
| 17:14.37 | Tobin- | Just tested it, by placing 2 units and dividing them different distances apart from the attacking units. |
| 17:14.49 | Tobin- | They seem to actually split evenly to attack] |
| 17:15.14 | Tobin- | regardless of unit distance |
| 17:15.17 | Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo | Thanks JademusSreg! |
| 17:15.45 | JademusSreg | More specifically: UIDisplayMessage(playergroup players, int messageArea, text messageText); |
| 17:16.02 | JademusSreg | I figured the parameters would be helpful. |
| 17:16.19 | Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo | yeh true^^ |
| 17:16.34 | JademusSreg | Do you want a list of message area constants? |
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| 17:16.50 | JademusSreg | Everything you need is in natives.galaxy. |
| 17:19.16 | Demo | Who wants to play... |
| 17:19.21 | Demo | test demos map! |
| 17:20.59 | JademusSreg | Busy atm. |
| 17:21.54 | Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo | How exactly do I access the natives.galaxy file? I guess it's somewhere in the folders huh? |
| 17:22.32 | JademusSreg | Extract it from a patch mpq, or Core. |
| 17:22.47 | JademusSreg | It will be in the data mpqs, not asset mpqs. |
| 17:23.54 | Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo | k, just found it on SC2Mapsters too, so just gonna copy it from there, ty again |
| 17:24.03 | JademusSreg | No problem. |
| 17:25.12 | Tobin- | Does anyone know of any maps with insides of buildings decorated? I'm trying to get some ideas for doodads to use. |
| 17:26.19 | JManV|Work | there's that campain map, near the end |
| 17:26.26 | JManV|Work | maw of the void? |
| 17:26.53 | JManV|Work | nope. that's not it |
| 17:28.01 | JManV|Work | piercing the shroud |
| 17:28.15 | JManV|Work | the first half is all indoors |
| 17:28.24 | JManV|Work | lots of tech-y doodads |
| 17:31.21 | JManV|Work | i guess the second half is actually inside too |
| 17:31.27 | JManV|Work | but it's been zerg infested |
| 17:32.01 | Tobin- | Ahh i'm leaning more towards making bars and restaurants, but i'll check it out. |
| 17:33.09 | JManV|Work | yeah, that's a science facility |
| 17:33.42 | JManV|Work | not so much with the bars and restraunts in the game |
| 17:34.02 | JManV|Work | you might be able to steal some stuff from the catina scene near the beginning of the game |
| 17:34.11 | JManV|Work | campaign story dependancy |
| 17:34.22 | JManV|Work | or possibly from the cantina on the hyperion |
| 17:35.27 | JManV|Work | i had to do custom models for my house furnitures |
| 17:36.07 | JManV|Work | since they are static models (no animations), you could consider converting some 3ds models to m3s. there are lots of free 3ds model sites out there |
| 17:39.03 | Demo | I call upon thee to test my map :) |
| 17:39.14 | Demo | Thee is anyone btw |
| 17:41.32 | JManV|Work | ew iPad |
| 17:42.03 | Clord | patch must be near.. very near |
| 17:42.18 | Clord | they want get their damn grandmaster league underway soon.... |
| 17:42.32 | Demo | you can see the patch in my map |
| 17:42.32 | Demo | you should come look |
| 17:43.55 | JManV|Work | what region anyways? |
| 17:44.05 | Demo | NA |
| 17:44.20 | Tobin- | how do i make floor clear ? |
| 17:44.20 | JManV|Work | clord can't help you then |
| 17:44.34 | JManV|Work | clear? |
| 17:44.38 | Clord | nah.. reason why I'm in sc2mapster channel is that I'm really mapper and not some league player lol ^^ |
| 17:44.43 | Demo | Clord can help me by giving me a hug |
| 17:45.04 | Tobin- | Able to walk on it, but can see the doodad underneath |
| 17:45.10 | Clord | JManV... less drugs please =) |
| 17:45.22 | JManV|Work | huh? |
| 17:45.26 | Clord | it is not even friday yet |
| 17:45.37 | JManV|Work | he was looking for an NA tester |
| 17:46.07 | Demo | Clord |
| 17:46.12 | Demo | This begs to differ |
| 17:46.13 | Demo | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sdU7vOdOgg |
| 17:46.40 | Demo | crap wrong video |
| 17:46.42 | Clord | it is just that your reply was rather confusing.. I was not asking help |
| 17:46.45 | Clord | lol |
| 17:47.15 | Demo | real video |
| 17:47.16 | Demo | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD2LRROpph0 |
| 17:47.27 | Demo | so |
| 17:47.33 | Demo | the label that produces this crap |
| 17:47.40 | Demo | is a poop label |
| 17:47.47 | Demo | and this makes them look worse |
| 17:47.48 | Clord | hehe |
| 17:47.49 | Clord | funyn videos |
| 17:48.11 | Clord | if patch would be up in NA side I would already be there lol |
| 17:48.28 | Demo | why is the patch merging NA and EU |
| 17:48.29 | Demo | ? |
| 17:49.21 | Clord | nah it is because I can play in both.. US and EU |
| 17:49.36 | Demo | well then why aren't you helping me test! |
| 17:50.40 | Clord | because I have already enough work with my own maps? |
| 17:51.04 | Demo | That's a good excuse :( can't argue that |
| 17:51.44 | Tobin- | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K9KnQ3UePo go to 2:50. Thats what i mean by clear floor |
| 17:52.32 | Demo | I would assume that it's a doodad |
| 17:52.38 | Demo | that had it's height changed |
| 17:52.42 | Demo | to appear like there ground is clear |
| 17:52.51 | Clord | also my US side account is too new for PTR |
| 17:52.52 | Clord | lol |
| 17:52.57 | JManV|Work | also: it's not possible for me to do less drugs, only moar :P |
| 17:53.31 | Clord | (but back then I didn't knew they actually would make buying US account worth it, damn 1.3.0) |
| 17:53.33 | Clord | ^^ |
| 17:53.43 | Tobin- | Yes but if i lower the terrain and raise the height of the doodad wont units just sink down when they travel over it? |
| 17:54.21 | JManV|Work | did you look at the actual map? |
| 17:54.51 | Demo | tobin |
| 17:55.05 | Demo | you don't need to lower the terrain |
| 17:55.07 | Demo | you only need to lower the height of the doodad |
| 17:55.34 | Demo | but like I said, I think it's that specific doodad |
| 17:56.10 | JManV|Work | you can download that map and see what they did |
| 17:56.50 | A1win | uff I think I need some actual gameplay for my map D: |
| 17:57.05 | A1win | been just doing metagame stuff so far :P |
| 17:58.30 | JManV|Work | actual gameplay is overrated :P |
| 17:58.49 | JManV|Work | who would want to actually play a game when they could just look at it? |
| 17:58.55 | A1win | I need to figure out how the players get more health during a mission |
| 17:59.29 | JManV|Work | nanobots! |
| 17:59.38 | A1win | would be inconvinient if they couldn't, since they can get new players on the mission at any time, who'd have full health then |
| 18:00.27 | JManV|Work | nanobots, repair drones, or supply drops |
| 18:00.38 | A1win | I was thinking of an ability where you unload an SCV or two who repair you, but can be killed if you do it near enemies... though not sure who'd use it near enemies, then :P |
| 18:01.02 | JManV|Work | so repair drones |
| 18:01.18 | JManV|Work | we need r2d2 models :P |
| 18:01.34 | A1win | regeneration would be boring, maybe just "health potions" as items? |
| 18:02.06 | JademusSreg | Use the fire fighting systems for repair drones |
| 18:02.10 | A1win | and something in the environment itself that can be used to heal |
| 18:02.13 | JManV|Work | scrap from destroyed mechs could fuel the ability to repair |
| 18:02.16 | JademusSreg | Fire fighting system from the campaign. |
| 18:02.22 | A1win | hmm :o |
| 18:02.47 | A1win | JManV|Work, but not all enemies are mechs :P |
| 18:03.02 | JManV|Work | in mechassault, "scrap" was the health pickup |
| 18:03.02 | JademusSreg | Remember that neato upgrade that would allow your structures to put out its fires and regenerate up to half life? |
| 18:03.13 | JManV|Work | and it came from tanks, mechs, buildings, lots of stuff |
| 18:03.18 | A1win | JademusSreg, yeah |
| 18:03.27 | JManV|Work | never got that upgrade |
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| 18:03.44 | JademusSreg | I modified the bank and got all the upgrades. |
| 18:03.50 | JManV|Work | heh |
| 18:03.50 | A1win | :P |
| 18:04.11 | JManV|Work | actually, i did get it in order to get the swann achievement |
| 18:04.15 | JManV|Work | but then i reloaded |
| 18:04.17 | Tobin__ | As far as i can tell all they did was lower it, but it doesnt seem to work for me |
| 18:04.54 | Demo | yeah I'm confused how too |
| 18:05.00 | Demo | I'm trying to do the same thing |
| 18:05.05 | JademusSreg | Lower what? |
| 18:05.06 | Demo | well trying to do it for you |
| 18:06.04 | A1win | JManV|Work, I wouldn't want to have another "resource" like the scrap that would fill up your inventory and you'd always want to keep some of it there anyway... but maybe it could work so that you just stand near the scrap in the map while the drones repair you? |
| 18:06.31 | JManV|Work | in mech assault, it was just an instant heal |
| 18:06.47 | JManV|Work | i was just throwing out the idea, tweak it to whatever works for you |
| 18:06.51 | Tobin__ | Trying to make the floor 'clear' jademus |
| 18:06.52 | A1win | mm... |
| 18:06.56 | A1win | I'm trying to tweak it :P |
| 18:07.04 | JManV|Work | i didn't particularly like the instant heal tho |
| 18:07.05 | Tobin__ | So you can see the underground doodads |
| 18:07.16 | JManV|Work | cuz if you didn't need it, you'd have to leave it and come back for it |
| 18:07.28 | Tobin-- | a |
| 18:07.29 | A1win | Tobin__, are you talking about removing terrain cells? |
| 18:07.37 | Tobin-- | i guess? |
| 18:07.43 | A1win | there's a trigger for that |
| 18:07.43 | JManV|Work | i like the repair drone idea tho |
| 18:07.53 | JManV|Work | it doesn't have to be fueled by scrap metal |
| 18:07.56 | A1win | it lets you remove terrain cells in a region |
| 18:08.02 | A1win | called "remove terrain" I think |
| 18:08.57 | A1win | maybe using the drones should be a decision by the player, like an ability that uses some energy |
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| 18:09.43 | A1win | hmm what would be a better word for the engine module, if it covered stuff like the drones, movement speed, energy regeneration, max energy |
| 18:09.45 | JManV|Work | energy as power makes sense |
| 18:09.52 | JManV|Work | power |
| 18:10.03 | A1win | power module .x |
| 18:10.10 | A1win | I suppose it'd work |
| 18:10.14 | JManV|Work | engine upgrades could give you more power or faster power generation |
| 18:10.23 | JManV|Work | weird would reduce power available, possibly |
| 18:10.41 | JManV|Work | some weapons could use power as well |
| 18:11.01 | A1win | I mean a name for the module itself, would engine still be better than power D: |
| 18:11.02 | JManV|Work | allows you to balance some of the heavier weapons |
| 18:11.08 | Tobin-- | Well creating a trigger to do that for so many places int he map would be ridiculous. |
| 18:11.08 | A1win | mmm |
| 18:11.12 | Tobin-- | and its not what blizzard did |
| 18:11.21 | JManV|Work | well, power comes from the engine, or the core |
| 18:11.29 | JManV|Work | power core maybe? |
| 18:11.32 | JManV|Work | fusion core? |
| 18:11.36 | A1win | armored core |
| 18:11.37 | A1win | D: |
| 18:11.38 | JManV|Work | power reactor? |
| 18:11.41 | Shawn|Rawr | tobin, maybe add a glass floor or something? |
| 18:11.46 | JManV|Work | fusion reactor |
| 18:11.50 | JManV|Work | something like that |
| 18:12.12 | A1win | PSU ;p |
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| 18:12.24 | Demo | so I'm trying to figure this out too now |
| 18:12.29 | Demo | and this thing is just in the ground |
| 18:12.32 | Demo | with a green point |
| 18:12.35 | Demo | that you can't move |
| 18:12.43 | A1win | but if the power module also changes the efficiency of your repair drones, it's not just a PSU |
| 18:12.57 | Demo | gotta go tty gays later |
| 18:12.57 | A1win | something more generic |
| 18:13.30 | Shawn|Rawr | demo, terrain objects i think your talking about |
| 18:13.38 | Shawn|Rawr | not sure tho |
| 18:13.45 | JManV|Work | well, the drones themselves might be a seperate module |
| 18:13.53 | JManV|Work | but still requires power to operate |
| 18:13.59 | JManV|Work | like a weapon system might be the same way |
| 18:14.04 | A1win | dunno, that'd make it unnecessarily complex |
| 18:14.16 | A1win | if all mechs have drones anyway |
| 18:14.30 | JManV|Work | well, that could be the basic module |
| 18:14.31 | A1win | could just combine it with the "power" module to give those more variation |
| 18:14.34 | JManV|Work | which is upgradeable |
| 18:14.46 | JManV|Work | you could more drones, faster drones |
| 18:14.55 | JManV|Work | special drones |
| 18:15.27 | A1win | can have all that and still have it as a part of the engine slot :x |
| 18:15.38 | A1win | tech module or something |
| 18:16.04 | JManV|Work | sure |
| 18:16.21 | JManV|Work | but i still think they should look like R2D2 :P |
| 18:16.25 | A1win | hehe |
| 18:16.37 | A1win | the firefighter drones should fit well |
| 18:16.59 | JManV|Work | yeah, they should |
| 18:18.54 | A1win | hmm |
| 18:19.07 | A1win | should probably have a cooldown on the drones as well |
| 18:19.26 | A1win | then the energy cost can be low, and it can be used on more interesting stuff |
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| 18:19.57 | A1win | except that then you'd use it every time to CD is ready |
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| 18:20.35 | A1win | if there's "infinite healing" during a mission, they probably need a time limit |
| 18:20.36 | JManV|Work | unless you lose drones if they die |
| 18:20.51 | JManV|Work | you might have to pay to get more or something |
| 18:21.04 | A1win | or just refresh them between missions, should be enough o: |
| 18:21.18 | A1win | since you can only join a mission once, it can't be abused |
| 18:21.46 | JManV|Work | yeah, that could work too |
| 18:21.56 | JManV|Work | so you're only using them when you're fairly safe |
| 18:22.19 | JManV|Work | although target priority might be an issue. pretty much everything will target mechs before drones |
| 18:22.27 | A1win | and as last resort even when you're not |
| 18:22.38 | A1win | mmh |
| 18:22.39 | JManV|Work | but AOEs will take out drones |
| 18:22.45 | JManV|Work | like missiles prehaps |
| 18:23.00 | A1win | yeah might give a lot of stuff some minor aoe damage |
| 18:23.02 | Tobin-- | Jman how do i add a glass floor? |
| 18:23.06 | JManV|Work | not sure if it will count as a healer so that patch change applies |
| 18:23.09 | Shawn|Rawr | errain object |
| 18:23.13 | Shawn|Rawr | Terrain* |
| 18:23.16 | JManV|Work | or you could just have them have the same priority |
| 18:23.30 | A1win | JManV|Work, well it's possible to change the priority for the drones ;p |
| 18:23.38 | A1win | mm.. |
| 18:23.41 | JManV|Work | yeah, if it's the same as the mech |
| 18:23.50 | JManV|Work | it's kind of random what they'll pick |
| 18:24.22 | Tobin-- | Ahh thats what i was looking for |
| 18:24.23 | Tobin-- | thanks |
| 18:25.35 | A1win | it might be a bit annoying to lose your healers though |
| 18:26.00 | A1win | would sometimes end up in a situation where you know you'll die if you move forward |
| 18:26.53 | JManV|Work | well, they were probably gonna die anyways |
| 18:27.02 | JManV|Work | either that, or they foolishly misused drones |
| 18:27.11 | JManV|Work | which you can warn them against |
| 18:27.19 | JManV|Work | and it's not the kind of mistake you make twice |
| 18:27.54 | A1win | I just don't like the idea that you could end up "stuck" (even though you'd have the return to base button) |
| 18:28.12 | A1win | like a hole in the ground where you can't get up and have to teleport back to town ;p |
| 18:28.32 | JManV|Work | well, if recalling drones is fairly quick |
| 18:28.38 | JManV|Work | it shouldn't really happen |
| 18:28.45 | A1win | but it still can :P |
| 18:28.50 | JManV|Work | you can make them rebuild over time if unused, perhaps? |
| 18:29.47 | JManV|Work | or you could have a drone alert that tells you you may want to return to base to recoup your drones |
| 18:30.43 | A1win | still doesn't feel like the best idea to make the decision on using the drones depend on whether you are in combat or not |
| 18:31.03 | A1win | doesn't give the gameplay much depth and can be annoying |
| 18:31.35 | JManV|Work | you could just have it cost money |
| 18:31.45 | A1win | nah :P |
| 18:32.02 | A1win | money amounts vary too much between players, and everyone would probably have some anyway |
| 18:32.11 | JManV|Work | well, it does make sense |
| 18:32.16 | JManV|Work | it doesn't have to be a lot |
| 18:32.21 | A1win | it'd just slow down their progress |
| 18:32.42 | JManV|Work | exactly. overhealing slows your progress |
| 18:32.44 | A1win | and you'd use them anyway because you'd end up saving more that way |
| 18:33.06 | A1win | yea but not short-term progress, just long-term |
| 18:33.14 | Demo | I have 10 minutes |
| 18:33.17 | Demo | who wants to test :) |
| 18:33.47 | JManV|Work | have you tried the sc2mapster channel, demo? |
| 18:33.53 | Demo | yes |
| 18:33.57 | Demo | but my cousin just came online |
| 18:34.05 | Demo | so I have a body |
| 18:34.05 | A1win | I'm still thinking that cooldown + energy cost is the best one so far but it feels a bit clumsy as well |
| 18:34.28 | A1win | because then the decision is between healing and using some other cool ability |
| 18:34.45 | A1win | but... you'd have to heal anyway, so it's not really a decision |
| 18:35.00 | A1win | would just let you use your other abilities less |
| 18:35.26 | JManV|Work | omg |
| 18:35.39 | JManV|Work | i'm reading this manual on how this XML generation software works |
| 18:35.53 | JManV|Work | there's this small section on how one-to-one merges work |
| 18:36.16 | JManV|Work | then two huge multiple page sections on many-to-many |
| 18:36.16 | JManV|Work | then a tiny little section on one-to-many |
| 18:36.28 | A1win | I just realized that we're trying to come up with a better healing gameplay than any game has had before :I might be not an easy task... |
| 18:36.30 | JManV|Work | and i was looking for the one-to-many section, had to scroll through all that garbage |
| 18:36.55 | JManV|Work | why couldn't have have it before those huge sections? seems like just plain good organization to me. |
| 18:37.17 | A1win | :P |
| 18:37.42 | A1win | can you think of any games with interesting healing systems D: |
| 18:38.29 | JManV|Work | well, sc2 has the racially dependant healing system, which is somewhat novel |
| 18:38.53 | A1win | mm but none of those aren't really interesting in themselves |
| 18:38.59 | JManV|Work | nope |
| 18:39.07 | JManV|Work | i'm still thinking... |
| 18:39.10 | JManV|Work | drawing a blank |
| 18:39.27 | JManV|Work | i usually just play the shit out of one game until i'm tired of it :P |
| 18:39.47 | JManV|Work | and most of those are RTSs |
| 18:39.59 | A1win | healing in WoW requires long fights to make it interesting... and it requires players to have roles |
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| 18:40.56 | A1win | it's funny how every game has healing but none has really done it in an interesting manner |
| 18:40.59 | JManV|Work | i've seen a lot of mech games without healing at all, actually |
| 18:41.05 | A1win | yeah |
| 18:41.11 | JManV|Work | does armored core have healing on the battlefield? |
| 18:41.15 | A1win | but... I don't think it'd work for this |
| 18:41.20 | A1win | no idea :P |
| 18:41.24 | JManV|Work | normally, you lose life and you're up shit creek |
| 18:41.28 | A1win | but this isn't singleplayer |
| 18:41.54 | A1win | if you couldn't heal, you could abuse the system so that 1 player plays as far as he can get, then another one joins with full health, etc. |
| 18:42.09 | JManV|Work | gotcha |
| 18:42.29 | JManV|Work | repair drones seem best |
| 18:42.40 | A1win | yeah, for the aesthetics :P |
| 18:43.03 | JManV|Work | but you definitely don't want them using them in combat |
| 18:43.13 | JManV|Work | unless they heal slowly, which would make them less useful |
| 18:43.31 | A1win | hmmm |
| 18:43.39 | A1win | what if using them blocks using all your abilities for a while |
| 18:43.51 | JManV|Work | it has to shut down systems |
| 18:43.56 | JManV|Work | that could be interesting |
| 18:44.04 | JademusSreg | I think using repair drones in battle would be great, if the drone's repair is interrupted by combat. |
| 18:44.05 | A1win | though then mechs with few abilities and a lot of gunpower would be better while healing |
| 18:44.15 | A1win | JademusSreg, true |
| 18:44.17 | JademusSreg | Remember Healing Salves from warcraft 3 |
| 18:44.22 | JademusSreg | Non-Combat Consumable. |
| 18:44.27 | JManV|Work | well you could have it power down completely for the repair bots to work |
| 18:44.34 | A1win | could just make them return inside when you take damage |
| 18:44.35 | JademusSreg | Get hit, it dispells the buff. |
| 18:44.39 | JademusSreg | Yeah. |
| 18:45.12 | A1win | JManV|Work, that could be some additional heal ability, maybe from an addon.. or some consumable item |
| 18:45.28 | JManV|Work | yeah, i think jade is onto something |
| 18:45.35 | JManV|Work | it's fairly easy to do in data, also |
| 18:45.44 | A1win | yeah |
| 18:45.51 | JManV|Work | there's already contiginencies in place for dispelling heals on damage |
| 18:46.21 | A1win | so if you take hit before the heal ends, you've wasted your cooldown |
| 18:46.37 | JManV|Work | yeah |
| 18:46.55 | A1win | and giving the missions a time limit can sometimes make you want to push forward even at the risk of getting it interrupted |
| 18:46.56 | JManV|Work | you could almost make it just energy then |
| 18:47.28 | A1win | nah, cooldown seems better |
| 18:47.49 | A1win | would be annoying to lose all your energy by desperately spamming the drones |
| 18:48.06 | A1win | with cooldown you only need to get upset once ;D |
| 18:48.46 | JManV|Work | fair nuf |
| 18:50.02 | JManV|Work | well, it could be a slightly shorter cooldown |
| 18:50.12 | JManV|Work | because it's less abusable |
| 18:50.36 | A1win | so... I need an ability that sets the behavior... but I have no idea how to actually make show the drones D: |
| 18:50.53 | A1win | *make it |
| 18:51.17 | JManV|Work | look at how fire suppression works? |
| 18:51.19 | A1win | ...I'll take a look at the drons |
| 18:52.04 | A1win | can probably just duplicate that and edit it a bit |
| 18:53.25 | JManV|Work | yeah, most likely its a behavior already |
| 18:54.00 | A1win | yep found it already |
| 18:55.23 | A1win | :o then I can have drones that have a chance of not getting interrupted |
| 18:55.49 | A1win | whee it works |
| 18:55.52 | A1win | awesome |
| 18:56.04 | JManV|Work | that was fast :P |
| 18:56.06 | Clord | hehe about matter of healing |
| 18:56.11 | A1win | just removed validators and requirements ;D |
| 18:56.12 | Clord | doom I and II did it well |
| 18:56.15 | Clord | so did duke nukem 3d |
| 18:56.17 | Clord | XD |
| 18:56.24 | JManV|Work | health pickups? |
| 18:56.43 | A1win | the health pickup sound in doom 1 was awesome |
| 18:56.48 | A1win | or was it armor |
| 18:56.51 | A1win | one of those :P |
| 18:56.55 | A1win | that metally cling thing |
| 18:57.00 | A1win | or clonk or whatever |
| 18:57.20 | Clord | but after games was started to design to more handicapped controls even after they went 3d..... you just need crouch to being healed in safety |
| 18:57.49 | Clord | duke nukem forever tries to make healing system again more unique |
| 18:57.56 | A1win | mmh :x |
| 18:57.57 | Clord | duke basically has ego |
| 18:58.01 | A1win | haha |
| 18:58.04 | Clord | and ego not heal you from crouching behind crap |
| 18:58.05 | Clord | XD |
| 18:58.28 | Clord | http://www.dukenukemforever.com/full/us/ |
| 18:58.33 | Clord | this new site is cool |
| 18:58.45 | A1win | mmh.. how do I make this buff heal over time |
| 18:59.05 | A1win | and how do I change its duration D: |
| 18:59.43 | JManV|Work | dammit. stupid thing generating a blank file :( |
| 18:59.47 | A1win | ah vital regeneration bonus |
| 19:00.14 | JManV|Work | you can also have a heal effect attached to the periodic effect of the behavior |
| 19:00.28 | JManV|Work | and the duration is a field on the buff |
| 19:00.40 | A1win | found that |
| 19:01.09 | A1win | how about the dispel on damage? |
| 19:01.56 | JManV|Work | damage response? |
| 19:02.12 | JManV|Work | i know there's something |
| 19:02.19 | JManV|Work | i don't think i've used it before tho |
| 19:03.40 | A1win | effect that is applied to the unit when its damage response is running/exhausted |
| 19:03.50 | A1win | Damage Response - Handled, and Exhausted |
| 19:04.09 | A1win | ...can effects dispel behaviors? |
| 19:04.22 | A1win | yes |
| 19:04.42 | A1win | an effect of type Remove Behavior :P |
| 19:05.32 | JManV|Work | yeah |
| 19:05.50 | JManV|Work | effects can do almost anything :P |
| 19:05.55 | A1win | yeh |
| 19:05.55 | Clord | marketing team cheers when I advertise DNF for free |
| 19:05.57 | Clord | lol |
| 19:06.00 | A1win | the wonders of data editing... |
| 19:06.03 | Clord | I'm victim of this great scheme |
| 19:06.09 | Clord | to get free advertisement |
| 19:07.31 | A1win | hmm |
| 19:07.57 | JManV|Work | ? |
| 19:08.01 | A1win | ah it worked |
| 19:08.06 | A1win | they just returned with a little delay |
| 19:08.31 | JManV|Work | coo. |
| 19:08.45 | A1win | should I keep them running while the unit has full health, until the duration expires, or also remove them when health reaches max |
| 19:09.07 | A1win | first option would be fairer :P |
| 19:09.16 | A1win | eww |
| 19:09.28 | A1win | the drone model rotates around the unit when it turns |
| 19:09.38 | A1win | they just almost teleport if I make a full turn :P |
| 19:09.43 | A1win | they were designed for structures |
| 19:09.49 | JademusSreg | There is probably a way to fix that. |
| 19:09.57 | A1win | I'd hope so |
| 19:10.39 | JademusSreg | Are your drones an actor or unit? |
| 19:10.51 | JManV|Work | ok, this is truly disturbing: http://forums.sc2mapster.com/general/off-topic/19707-youtube-video-french-anti-aids-commercial/#p1 |
| 19:10.52 | A1win | trying to figure it out no w:P |
| 19:10.54 | A1win | *now |
| 19:11.02 | A1win | I just duplicated the fire suppression behavior |
| 19:11.13 | JademusSreg | Ah, then not a unit. |
| 19:11.23 | JademusSreg | Good. |
| 19:11.25 | A1win | where are they even linked to that behavior? |
| 19:11.42 | JManV|Work | probably in the actor events |
| 19:11.51 | A1win | ah... |
| 19:11.57 | JademusSreg | Look at the stim pack effects to figure out how to make the actor not use the affected unit's rotation. |
| 19:12.24 | A1win | isn't that a 2D sprite though? |
| 19:12.30 | JademusSreg | On a model. |
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| 19:12.44 | A1win | but sprites probably have different render methods than models |
| 19:12.59 | JManV|Work | not really |
| 19:13.03 | JademusSreg | Unless it's a particle generator, it will probably rotate with the model. |
| 19:13.10 | A1win | Properties - Accepted Transfers: Position, Rotation |
| 19:13.51 | A1win | nope not that |
| 19:14.27 | JManV|Work | man its so beautiful out |
| 19:14.36 | JManV|Work | i just want to leave work and drive my car around |
| 19:14.36 | JademusSreg | Yep. |
| 19:14.49 | JManV|Work | (with the top down) |
| 19:15.21 | JManV|Work | yesterday was the first day this year i got to take my top down |
| 19:15.51 | A1win | no idea how it's done in stimpack |
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| 19:19.28 | A1win | can't see any difference between the stimpack actor and the suppression bot actor that would affect rotation |
| 19:19.57 | A1win | what's the Hosting - Host - Subject ? |
| 19:20.20 | A1win | that's _Unit for bots and _Selectable for stims |
| 19:21.07 | A1win | didn't change anything though... |
| 19:25.09 | A1win | any ideas? :s |
| 19:25.38 | JademusSreg | Busy. |
| 19:27.26 | A1win | hmm found someone saying on the forums to create a new site operation that doesn't allow rotation |
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| 19:31.39 | A1win | but it didn't work X_x |
| 19:31.51 | A1win | or maybe I didn't read the entire post =p |
| 19:32.56 | A1win | hmmh still not |
| 19:40.05 | A1win | even copied it from his example map and it still rotates with the unit :< |
| 19:42.36 | A1win | mmh but it works in his test map :s |
| 19:46.44 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 19:46.48 | A1win | oh |
| 19:46.58 | A1win | I think it doesn't even use the actor, just the model... somehow |
| 19:47.38 | A1win | or it does, meh dunno |
| 19:47.56 | A1win | nvm :P |
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| 19:49.58 | A1win | err, it doesn't |
| 19:50.05 | A1win | I changed the model in the actor and it didn't change X_x |
| 19:51.08 | JManV|Work | what's the actor event? |
| 19:51.22 | JManV|Work | actor events can just spawn an arbitrary model, i believe |
| 19:52.00 | A1win | just create |
| 19:52.06 | JManV|Work | really? |
| 19:52.10 | JManV|Work | and changing the model did nothing? |
| 19:52.20 | A1win | mmm |
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| 19:52.30 | JManV|Work | what kind of actor is it? |
| 19:52.38 | A1win | Model |
| 19:52.57 | JManV|Work | hmmm |
| 19:53.05 | JManV|Work | did you kick it? |
| 19:53.12 | JManV|Work | you should probably kick it :P |
| 19:53.16 | A1win | kick? |
| 19:53.22 | JManV|Work | yeha, in the head |
| 19:53.23 | A1win | physically? ;p |
| 19:53.30 | JManV|Work | yeah |
| 19:53.34 | A1win | not yet |
| 19:53.40 | JManV|Work | percussive maintenance |
| 19:53.44 | A1win | even changing the scale in the actor didn't work |
| 19:53.44 | JManV|Work | it works for TVs :P |
| 19:53.46 | A1win | I mean |
| 19:53.49 | A1win | didn't change the scale |
| 19:54.03 | JManV|Work | how queer |
| 19:54.19 | JManV|Work | perhaps there's another actor at play? |
| 19:54.45 | A1win | ...true, this is the duplicate xD |
| 19:54.58 | JManV|Work | heh |
| 19:55.07 | A1win | err... or not |
| 19:55.29 | A1win | nope didn't duplicate that, meh |
| 19:55.56 | JManV|Work | ? |
| 19:56.03 | A1win | just got one actor |
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| 19:56.40 | JManV|Work | if you go to the behavior, are there any other actors in the tree view? |
| 19:56.53 | A1win | it doesn't have any ._x |
| 19:57.00 | A1win | err |
| 19:57.09 | A1win | I did duplicate it |
| 19:57.13 | A1win | and I'm editing the original |
| 19:57.14 | A1win | o// |
| 19:57.20 | JManV|Work | hah |
| 19:57.21 | A1win | facepalm |
| 19:57.31 | JManV|Work | it happens |
| 19:58.15 | JManV|Work | after all, human error is the number 1 cause of program failure... by far. |
| 19:58.22 | A1win | hehe |
| 19:59.39 | Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo | Hey there, if I have an external .galaxy script that's essentially a trigger, is there any way I can use this with "include script_name"? Because I don't know how I can initialize the trigger's Initialization function :/ |
| 20:00.10 | Sixen | Yeah, you can do exactly that. |
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| 20:00.34 | Sixen | If you edit the MapScript.galaxy, just include your script as well |
| 20:00.39 | Sixen | brb |
| 20:00.48 | A1win | *now* it works \o/ |
| 20:01.00 | Tobin1 | Whew, thought i just lost an hour of work. I love auto save. |
| 20:01.38 | A1win | I should probably cook some food before continuing, or bad stuff might happen |
| 20:03.04 | Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo | Thanks Sixen, but how can I edit the MapScript.galaxy file? AzothHyjal has a link to a Tutorial for exactly that, however the link is broken :/ |
| 20:03.48 | JManV|Work | it helps to do things the right way, i find |
| 20:03.56 | Sixen | azoth's guide is herE: http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/tutorials/7078-galaxy-a-guide-to-galaxy/ |
| 20:04.03 | Sixen | I think you can edit MapScript directly from the editor though |
| 20:04.42 | JManV|Work | not that i ever do things the right way, but it does help :P |
| 20:09.13 | JManV|Work | hahah |
| 20:09.26 | JManV|Work | rodrigo has a poll on a thread, "do you like debates" |
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| 20:09.34 | JManV|Work | 1 yes, 7 no, 3 haven't played |
| 20:09.38 | Wihl | Sigh, anyone here that plays dwarf fortress? |
| 20:09.51 | Wihl | is there any way to detect stealthy stuff without guard dogs |
| 20:09.56 | JManV|Work | wanna take bets on whether that 1 is rodrigo or not? |
| 20:10.04 | Wihl | because I have apes stealing all the stuff in my fortress |
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| 20:10.10 | Wihl | or whatever the hell they are |
| 20:10.54 | JManV|Work | "I'm surprised that both the voting options don't say 'yes'." |
| 20:11.03 | Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo | Yeah well I can see azoth's guide, but inside that one he links to a guide that's supposed to show all the MapScript stuff, however that link is broken. Would be nice if you can tell me how to edit the MapScript directly if you got time and it doesn't bother you too much that is |
| 20:13.56 | JManV|Work | omg. rodrigo has /another/ map with swearing in the intro screen. does he never learn? |
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| 20:14.36 | JManV|Work | or is he just incapable of communicating without the use of swear words? |
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| 20:18.48 | JademusSreg | Link or screenshot? |
| 20:20.07 | JManV|Work | here, the whole thread is laughable: http://forums.sc2mapster.com/general/general-chat/19709-the-best-map-is-now-on-eu/#p7 |
| 20:21.12 | JManV|Work | as far as i can tell, that's the actual loading screen |
| 20:21.24 | JademusSreg | Who's the tool in the video? |
| 20:21.32 | JManV|Work | no idea |
| 20:21.52 | JManV|Work | why is there a grandma on the loading screen for ijcug? |
| 20:22.00 | JManV|Work | nothing rodrigo does makes sense to me |
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| 20:23.57 | JManV|Work | anyways, if that's the case, he's gonna get yet another map banned |
| 20:24.03 | JademusSreg | It's easy to make sense of others' thoughts if your thoughts are their superset. =F |
| 20:24.04 | JManV|Work | except this time on someone else's account |
| 20:24.34 | JManV|Work | nah, the "crazy mode" in my brain has a limited capacity |
| 20:24.48 | JManV|Work | and the "idiot mode" is super restricted |
| 20:24.56 | JManV|Work | mostly just to programming errors |
| 20:26.14 | JManV|Work | what will we do when rodrigo finally gets perm-banned from everything? he's such a great source of entertainment ;P |
| 20:27.23 | JademusSreg | Posting in the topic is what he wants; he delibrately employs language that to antagonize people, provoke a response, and draw attention to his map. |
| 20:27.47 | JManV|Work | won't matter when it gets banned |
| 20:28.57 | JademusSreg | Can loading screens play flash? |
| 20:29.27 | JManV|Work | if not, that's a well cut video |
| 20:31.04 | JManV|Work | and i'm not sure why you'd go to the trouble to edit that in |
| 20:31.13 | JManV|Work | especially since its such a stupic fucking video |
| 20:31.44 | Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo | Is it possible to test a map and actually start in windowed screen mode? |
| 20:31.51 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 20:31.51 | JManV|Work | yes |
| 20:31.54 | JManV|Work | it's in the options |
| 20:31.55 | JademusSreg | Preferences |
| 20:31.57 | JademusSreg | Test Map |
| 20:32.08 | JademusSreg | File -> Preferences -> Test Map |
| 20:32.11 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 20:32.19 | JManV|Work | ^ |
| 20:32.26 | JademusSreg | Starcraft 2 Editor -> File -> Preferences -> Test Map |
| 20:32.33 | JademusSreg | Your computer -> Starcraft 2 Editor -> File -> Preferences -> Test Map |
| 20:32.34 | JManV|Work | what the guy with the editor open says |
| 20:33.27 | Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo | you mean Test Document? doesn't say anything about windowed mode there oO |
| 20:33.36 | JManV|Work | i'm still willing to bet cash money that the one vote for "yes" is actually rodrigo |
| 20:34.09 | JademusSreg | Run Game In A Window |
| 20:34.36 | JademusSreg | Yes, I agree. |
| 20:34.45 | Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo | oh wow |
| 20:34.54 | Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo | no words, how could I oversee that, sorry and thanks ;P |
| 20:35.23 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 20:35.25 | JademusSreg | No problem. |
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| 20:41.16 | Bounty | Hai guyz |
| 20:41.41 | JManV|Work | its 70 degrees out! what an awesome day! |
| 20:41.54 | Bounty | >< |
| 20:42.23 | JManV|Work | (and i'm stuck at work) |
| 20:42.32 | JManV|Work | but not for much longer |
| 20:42.51 | A1win | we still have snow here :x |
| 20:42.58 | JManV|Work | yuk |
| 20:43.05 | JManV|Work | we'll get it again, don't fret |
| 20:43.20 | JManV|Work | but i'm gonna enjoy this while it lasts |
| 20:45.47 | Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo | So is anyone able to tell me how I can edit the MapScript.Galaxy file in order to initialize my triggers? |
| 20:47.18 | A1win | ah full stomach, the show must go on |
| 20:48.02 | JManV|Work | well jademus masturbates regularly to galaxy code :P |
| 20:48.32 | Clord | downloading SCII install files just in case |
| 20:48.33 | Clord | ^^ |
| 20:48.52 | Clord | I don't want to be stuck playing US side if that one guy not update tool fast |
| 20:49.00 | JademusSreg | Hi. |
| 20:49.05 | JManV|Work | i'm not sure what you're asking for tho |
| 20:49.08 | JademusSreg | Na. |
| 20:49.10 | Clord | because I suspect that patch comes way sooner there :) |
| 20:49.27 | Clord | we EU side get patch like... wait hours or day |
| 20:49.28 | Clord | lol |
| 20:49.54 | JademusSreg | The bottom field of a custom script section is for inputing the initializing function. |
| 20:50.19 | JManV|Work | have you seen this distribing video?: http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D-p5muDCZiI0 |
| 20:50.32 | JademusSreg | void Shit_Init () { } |
| 20:50.35 | Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo | Yeah but in case I wanna use external scripts duo to the rather buggy highlighting of the editor |
| 20:50.51 | JademusSreg | And the initialier in the field will be Shit_Init |
| 20:50.59 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
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| 20:51.19 | JademusSreg | Then save a map as SC2Components instead of a map file. |
| 20:51.39 | JademusSreg | This will unravel the contents at the save directory. |
| 20:52.01 | JademusSreg | Then you can manually write in the include statement on the top line. |
| 20:52.19 | Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo | Okay I'll try. |
| 20:52.36 | JademusSreg | The map will still be openable in the editor, but would need to be saved as a map again before publishing. |
| 20:52.57 | JademusSreg | Alternately, you can use an mpq editor to extract the map script and edit it that way. |
| 20:53.46 | Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo | And saving it again does not revoke my changes? |
| 20:54.11 | Clord | when rodrigo gets banned if gets banned... he probably ends up doing youtube videos about how he was wrongly banned and how everything sucks |
| 20:54.14 | Clord | XD |
| 20:54.25 | JademusSreg | Hopefully not. =) |
| 20:54.41 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 20:55.00 | Clord | then it becomes GDI vs Nod like situation |
| 20:55.07 | Clord | XD |
| 20:55.14 | Clord | rallied youtube forces |
| 20:55.15 | Clord | lol |
| 20:55.19 | JademusSreg | No, Nod is cool. |
| 20:55.26 | JademusSreg | Rod is not. |
| 20:55.42 | Clord | I guess rodingo dude is GDI |
| 20:55.48 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 20:56.11 | Clord | GDI always was that hated side... I think.... they pretended to be world saviour and hinder Kane's plans to save humanity in the end |
| 20:56.19 | Clord | so much of GDI's "defend the world" XD |
| 20:56.48 | JademusSreg | GDI == Team America: World Police |
| 20:58.31 | Clord | hehe |
| 20:58.43 | Clord | there is that history with GDI... it was UN or whatever real world thing first |
| 20:58.55 | JademusSreg | Yah. |
| 20:58.56 | Clord | then it became GDI in that storyline eventually |
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| 20:59.32 | JademusSreg | Man, I expect the next C&C will be the worst yet. |
| 20:59.54 | Clord | there is also storyline details what many don't realize to notice for example.... tiberium does not like hot desert area that much so Nod based their most important stuff there.... |
| 21:00.27 | Clord | yeah tiberium eventually overtook that place too but it was more "safe" there XD |
| 21:00.47 | JademusSreg | Getting rid of tiberium and Kane, the only noteworthy things in their sea of mediocrity and shit? NICE JOB. |
| 21:00.56 | Clord | EA formed Victory Games to do next C&C title http://www.commandandconquer.com/ |
| 21:00.59 | Clord | expect rush job |
| 21:01.20 | JademusSreg | Yeah, I read about that before. |
| 21:01.23 | Clord | Scrin as third side got cutted from C&C4 because they ran out of time |
| 21:01.31 | JademusSreg | And yeah, it will be more crap. |
| 21:01.56 | Clord | there is even some icons etc in C&C4 what was cutted and belonged for third side aka Scrin |
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| 21:02.36 | Deathtorn | Hello everybody! |
| 21:02.37 | Clord | it makes no sense that scrin would not send forces to at least guard their damn portal tower XD |
| 21:02.47 | JademusSreg | Hi. |
| 21:02.51 | Clord | but they probably was removed from guarding it because cutted side |
| 21:02.58 | Deathtorn | How's life? |
| 21:03.06 | Clord | hmmmm |
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| 21:03.19 | Clord | let' see |
| 21:03.29 | JademusSreg | Yes, Clord. But at this point debating nuance is pointless. It's all just sooo bad. |
| 21:03.32 | Clord | there is meltdown going on Japan.. or several even in that one place |
| 21:03.34 | Clord | so... hmmm |
| 21:03.37 | Clord | very "green" |
| 21:03.41 | Clord | :) |
| 21:04.47 | JademusSreg | Life is [adjective]. |
| 21:04.50 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 21:04.51 | Deathtorn | How's your life. |
| 21:05.03 | Deathtorn | Who cares about anyone else? |
| 21:05.05 | Deathtorn | =P |
| 21:05.10 | Clord | now you asked it right |
| 21:05.29 | Clord | so let's see |
| 21:05.31 | JademusSreg | I'm not interested in discussing my life with internet people. |
| 21:05.36 | Deathtorn | Le Gasp |
| 21:05.45 | Deathtorn | It requires a simple "Gewd" |
| 21:05.48 | Deathtorn | or |
| 21:05.53 | Deathtorn | NotsoGewd |
| 21:06.00 | Clord | cat demands my attention |
| 21:06.02 | Clord | currently |
| 21:06.05 | JademusSreg | Neither response is desirable. |
| 21:06.20 | Deathtorn | Then you've answered the question with that statemet. |
| 21:06.27 | Deathtorn | statement |
| 21:06.37 | Clord | ii desu ne |
| 21:06.42 | Clord | lol |
| 21:06.52 | Clord | before you ask.. I'm from finland |
| 21:06.58 | Clord | I'm nowhere near japan and it's meltdown |
| 21:06.59 | Clord | XD |
| 21:07.13 | JademusSreg | I prefer to maintain privacy and dignity. |
| 21:07.30 | Clord | tinfoil hat |
| 21:07.38 | Clord | beware |
| 21:07.43 | JademusSreg | Cockballs hat! |
| 21:07.45 | Clord | they are coming to get you.. those damn white coats |
| 21:07.48 | Clord | :) |
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| 21:08.48 | Clord | ^^ |
| 21:09.15 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 21:09.37 | Clord | I watched japanese "live" stuff about survivors etc... they kept showing new born babies and their mothers one by one |
| 21:10.05 | Clord | and talked all kind of crap |
| 21:10.26 | Deathtorn | Meow |
| 21:10.51 | A1win | err... now damage isn't interrupting the repair bots anymore for some reason |
| 21:10.55 | JademusSreg | Doctor Suess'es Cat In The Chat. |
| 21:11.05 | JademusSreg | *Suess's |
| 21:11.39 | Clord | Helral believes to be cat |
| 21:11.43 | Clord | bad case there |
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| 21:13.31 | Clord | it seems EA scrapped that trying to compete with Blizzard about sport scene for RTS |
| 21:13.51 | Clord | their new site design just mysteriously cutted those features XD |
| 21:14.07 | JademusSreg | Hahaha |
| 21:14.35 | Clord | in fact new C&C site design has almost nothing |
| 21:14.45 | Clord | all stuff including unit profiles etc disappeared |
| 21:14.50 | Clord | replay viewer.. disappeared |
| 21:14.51 | Clord | etc |
| 21:15.05 | JademusSreg | Here's the site: [Insert Command&Conquer Content Here] |
| 21:15.09 | JademusSreg | Done. |
| 21:15.12 | Clord | there used to be page what listed matches automatically for download and viewing etc |
| 21:15.54 | JademusSreg | I know what happens next. |
| 21:15.58 | A1win | bah, why is my behavior not getting removed by the damage response event anymore D: |
| 21:16.04 | A1win | though not 100% sure it did before either... |
| 21:16.06 | Clord | I gotta give that their replay viewer was rather cool lately in C&C series...... able to do something similar like in pictionary map |
| 21:16.13 | Clord | aka draw penises etc with drawing tool |
| 21:16.19 | Clord | to point stuff out |
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| 21:16.51 | A1win | oh, chance is 0 :P |
| 21:17.19 | JManV | hahahaha |
| 21:17.32 | JManV | it's confirmed. that one yes vote is indeed rodrigos |
| 21:17.34 | A1win | ...but didn't help changing it to 1 D: |
| 21:17.39 | JademusSreg | The next Command & Conquer game will be called "Command & Conquer", and it will be a reboot to make the game serious business, with a Call of Duty color palette. |
| 21:17.55 | Clord | yes vote? |
| 21:17.56 | Clord | XD |
| 21:18.15 | JademusSreg | I have spoken! Record it in the Chat Log of Prophecy. |
| 21:18.24 | JManV | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/general/general-chat/19709-the-best-map-is-now-on-eu/#p11 |
| 21:18.56 | A1win | mmh what's the "remove exhausted damage response" flag in the buff =p |
| 21:19.09 | Clord | holy lol |
| 21:19.17 | Clord | I gotta try it.. even though I could have used my US account anyways |
| 21:19.18 | Clord | XD |
| 21:19.23 | JademusSreg | A1, I'm not sure. |
| 21:19.35 | JademusSreg | I've never tinkered with it. |
| 21:19.48 | JManV | its not a bad game, just a bad game concept |
| 21:20.04 | Clord | but "best map is now on eu".... bah.... there is people who actually think TCG is... while he just thinks so itself XD |
| 21:20.19 | JManV | he wasn't even aware of my map |
| 21:20.27 | JManV | that's how self-centered he is |
| 21:20.36 | Clord | lol was going to say that |
| 21:20.36 | JManV | he had no idea i was working on a pokemon map |
| 21:21.02 | JManV | he'd prolly be like "what card game?" |
| 21:22.30 | Clord | hehe |
| 21:22.35 | Clord | would be hard to miss front page map in EU |
| 21:22.37 | Clord | ^^ |
| 21:22.42 | Clord | then again |
| 21:22.45 | Clord | he is not in EU |
| 21:22.50 | JManV | its rodrigo |
| 21:23.32 | Clord | maybe it is anagram! |
| 21:23.35 | Clord | ^^ |
| 21:23.54 | Clord | ogrirod |
| 21:24.01 | Clord | orgirod! |
| 21:25.25 | Clord | I have heard that tons of regular SCII players has not even idea of what is "join custom game" or "create custom game" buttons |
| 21:25.28 | Clord | or whatever they are called again |
| 21:25.47 | JademusSreg | Hahahahahah |
| 21:25.49 | Clord | there is tons of people who also believe that such buttons means making custom melee match |
| 21:26.00 | Clord | so they have never tried them |
| 21:26.30 | JademusSreg | I often wonder how so many humans can have sub-human intellect. |
| 21:26.31 | Pushover | becasue clearly playing ladder match after ladder match with no friends is the best way to go with SC2 |
| 21:26.50 | JManV | to each their own. |
| 21:26.57 | JManV | sc2 is actually a really good game |
| 21:26.58 | Clord | actually... tons of them has friends playing with them.. honestly |
| 21:26.59 | Pushover | i believe 50% of humanity has below average intelligence |
| 21:27.05 | Clord | but they never realize to try things |
| 21:27.11 | Clord | so they are stuck doing same stuff XD |
| 21:27.22 | Clord | partying up and joining to queue |
| 21:28.17 | Clord | amnesia the dark descent shows well how some people are |
| 21:28.20 | Clord | in those youtube videos |
| 21:28.35 | Clord | stairs collapse... guy is there over five minutes or something thinking how to get back up |
| 21:28.36 | Clord | XD |
| 21:28.37 | Motive | wooo |
| 21:28.42 | Motive | new bose earbuds |
| 21:28.45 | Motive | $100 but holy shit these are good |
| 21:29.02 | Clord | and there is around him objects to put over eachother to make own stairs |
| 21:29.06 | JademusSreg | Hey motive. |
| 21:29.09 | Motive | Hey :D |
| 21:29.18 | Motive | I think it's the electromagnetic shielding that makes a difference |
| 21:29.18 | JademusSreg | I have come to replace your avatar! |
| 21:29.20 | Motive | 'cause this is so |
| 21:29.21 | Motive | so |
| 21:29.22 | Motive | crisp |
| 21:29.23 | Motive | OH |
| 21:29.24 | Motive | REALLY NOW? |
| 21:29.26 | Motive | >=( |
| 21:29.28 | Motive | With what? :P |
| 21:29.32 | JademusSreg | Dunno. |
| 21:29.41 | JademusSreg | How about a raging taco? =D |
| 21:29.46 | Motive | Noes |
| 21:29.49 | Motive | It has to be either the |
| 21:29.50 | JManV | so can we play cvm yet, jade? :P |
| 21:30.01 | Motive | WoW Target Dummy or The Black Mage pixellated in dancing |
| 21:30.09 | Clord | I wanna do that zerg farm idea..... keeping farm where there is zergs... at least zerglings.... and the nselling them as burgers |
| 21:30.19 | Clord | I got inspired lol when I did read about it |
| 21:30.20 | JademusSreg | Jman, I'm working on terrain and the setting currently. |
| 21:30.33 | JademusSreg | It will be at least a few weeks before it is playable. |
| 21:30.39 | JManV | heh |
| 21:30.40 | Pushover | clord did you ever play sheep farmer in wc3? |
| 21:30.41 | JademusSreg | In any capacity. |
| 21:30.41 | JManV | i know |
| 21:30.50 | JManV | i just wanted to egg you on :P |
| 21:30.51 | Pushover | you basically did exactly that |
| 21:30.54 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 21:30.57 | Clord | ^^ |
| 21:31.09 | Clord | but I want to deeper.. more like solo map experience more.. or maybe few competitors |
| 21:31.10 | Clord | lol |
| 21:31.21 | A1win | ah, if I put a Caster Not In Combat validator for the behavior's remove validator, it works.. just need to decrease the time for the validator so it doesn't remove after the unit has taken damage... |
| 21:31.28 | Clord | then there could be custom dialog with full settings like... how well cooked food should be |
| 21:31.28 | JademusSreg | Motive, your avatar says Replace Me. |
| 21:31.29 | Clord | ^^ |
| 21:31.35 | Clord | if you set it to 0% cooking |
| 21:31.35 | JademusSreg | I thought I would oblige. |
| 21:31.41 | Clord | then they will attack customers |
| 21:31.46 | Clord | as they are not even dead when served |
| 21:31.47 | Bounty | Well, i think im just gonna stick with what im good at with maps lol |
| 21:31.47 | Clord | XD |
| 21:31.51 | Bounty | im just gonna make Doodad Hunt 2 |
| 21:31.52 | Bounty | eff it |
| 21:32.09 | Clord | it could be up to four player map |
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| 21:32.16 | Motive | Lololol |
| 21:32.17 | Clord | who sells most or makes most money is winner |
| 21:32.17 | Motive | I'm just |
| 21:32.18 | Motive | very picky |
| 21:32.19 | Motive | :P |
| 21:32.21 | Clord | ^^ |
| 21:32.23 | Motive | I've been meaning to replace it |
| 21:32.24 | Motive | but I'm so |
| 21:32.25 | Motive | damn |
| 21:32.26 | Motive | lazy |
| 21:32.51 | Bounty | What do you think Jade? With what i've learned, a Doodad Hunt sequel should be good =P |
| 21:32.56 | Bounty | especially now that i know how to do Jumping |
| 21:33.03 | Bounty | Jumping Trees and Toilets? yes please |
| 21:33.30 | JademusSreg | I do not have a positive opinion of that proposal. |
| 21:33.31 | Clord | better you prepare food.. more they would need to wait.. and more likely just storm out from your business place |
| 21:33.43 | Bounty | Really Jade? |
| 21:33.44 | JademusSreg | If anything, you should make a Bounty Mini Game Map. |
| 21:33.48 | Clord | but if you don't prepare it fell.. it could jump to customer XD |
| 21:33.52 | Bounty | Thats what Doodad Hunt 2 would be lol |
| 21:33.53 | JademusSreg | And just put all your shit in one map. |
| 21:33.58 | Clord | well... |
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| 21:34.11 | Bounty | But people like Doodad Hunt, but the problem is i was a horrible mapper back then |
| 21:34.13 | JademusSreg | Hi Shadow. |
| 21:34.15 | Bounty | didnt know how to do anything |
| 21:34.16 | Clord | TF2 has servers for doodad hunt |
| 21:34.25 | Clord | difference there is that it is actually fub |
| 21:34.29 | Clord | due game is FPS from core |
| 21:34.32 | Clord | ^^ |
| 21:34.50 | Bounty | So ur saying Doodad Hunt wasnt fun? |
| 21:35.00 | Pushover | the original map was good |
| 21:35.06 | Pushover | the one indoors was not as good |
| 21:35.12 | Bounty | Keep in mind when it was made |
| 21:35.14 | Shadoooow | Hello Owly. |
| 21:35.19 | Motive | So Jademus |
| 21:35.20 | Bounty | If i was to do a sequel, everything that was wrong with the first would be gone |
| 21:35.23 | Motive | what did you want my avatar to be? :P |
| 21:35.26 | Bounty | >< |
| 21:35.35 | Clord | nah... I say that "more original what was copied probably from some other FPS too was funnier" |
| 21:35.41 | Clord | Team Fortress 2 one |
| 21:36.04 | Bounty | huh? i didnt understand that quote at all lol |
| 21:36.09 | Clord | I was not really much able to play SCII one as popularity system is bitch |
| 21:36.30 | Shadoooow | You worked on you're train map? |
| 21:36.35 | Clord | and I can't bother past first page |
| 21:37.02 | Clord | usually |
| 21:37.46 | Clord | bounty... I speed type on chat...... I know that it is probably bad habit |
| 21:37.47 | Clord | XD |
| 21:37.58 | Bounty | =P |
| 21:38.32 | Clord | http://www.revolutionalarts.com/index.php |
| 21:38.45 | Clord | I typically use better english with my projects and when I post on forums |
| 21:39.23 | A1win | how can I change the error messages from validators? |
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| 21:40.56 | JademusSreg | UI - |
| 21:41.04 | Clord | damn earthquake is delaying anime.... argh ^^ |
| 21:41.08 | Shadoooow | OWEN! |
| 21:41.12 | JademusSreg | The UI prefaced fields control that stuff. |
| 21:41.13 | JademusSreg | Hi! |
| 21:41.25 | A1win | of what data object? |
| 21:41.29 | Shadoooow | I already said hi, but I asked about your train map. Worked on it? |
| 21:41.50 | JademusSreg | My map has trains, yes. =D |
| 21:42.03 | JademusSreg | Way to go spoiling stuff. Haha |
| 21:42.05 | Clord | this reminds me.... diamonbacks are really useful like one mission... and even there they are not needed |
| 21:42.07 | Clord | lol |
| 21:42.08 | Shadoooow | Hah. |
| 21:42.27 | JManV | they are totally needed |
| 21:42.32 | JManV | ever done that mission on brutal? |
| 21:42.34 | Shadoooow | So you have worked on it? |
| 21:42.45 | JademusSreg | Diamondback ball of roving death. |
| 21:42.52 | Clord | nah... brtual is brutal... you are supposed to get stormed there |
| 21:42.54 | Clord | anyways |
| 21:42.54 | JademusSreg | Yes, of course. |
| 21:43.01 | JManV | i defy you to beat that mission on brutal without diamondbacks |
| 21:43.09 | Shadoooow | Oh. Have you used the cliffs? |
| 21:43.16 | JManV | basically nothing but diamondbacks |
| 21:43.18 | JademusSreg | Recently I did a footprint for the prison complex. |
| 21:43.23 | JademusSreg | Not yet. |
| 21:43.48 | Shadoooow | Aw, I wanted to see how you could make that shit usefull. |
| 21:46.38 | A1win | can't find the validator error messages |
| 21:47.09 | JademusSreg | I will. |
| 21:47.39 | JademusSreg | I've been testing them, but I need some cliffs with rocky tops, not flat tops. |
| 21:49.22 | RipperRoo | hey guys im having a problem .. my ability should produce an marine and send them to a special area.. in this area there is only a special number of marines allowed... so my train ability has the requirement that there is one spot free ... all works fine.. |
| 21:49.24 | Shadoooow | Well, i got BSoD as i missclicked on powersave instead of turn-off so hopefully the 3ds max file diden't get corrupt. |
| 21:50.07 | RipperRoo | but the problem is while the marine is running to the area... there is a little short time .. maybe just a half of a second where you can still train an marine.. because theother one is still on the run |
| 21:50.34 | RipperRoo | got any ideas how i avoid that? |
| 21:51.21 | Shadoooow | I'm of to watching criminal minds then I will work on the cliffs. |
| 21:52.13 | A1win | ah now I found it |
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| 21:53.48 | RipperRoo | noone any idea ? :s |
| 21:53.48 | JManV | man, i wish there were just a default confirm dialog |
| 21:54.11 | JManV | maybe i'll asset it after i make it |
| 21:54.49 | A1win | yay now it works \o/ the ability doesn't let you use it if you're currently taking damage |
| 21:55.05 | A1win | with 0.1 sec delay |
| 21:55.19 | A1win | and the buff gets removed if you take damage |
| 21:55.38 | RipperRoo | thats not for me right ? :S |
| 21:55.47 | Bounty | what actor message would u use to start an animation at a certain point? |
| 21:56.01 | A1win | yea just talking about my ability |
| 21:56.27 | A1win | I wonder how long cooldown and duration I should have |
| 21:56.49 | A1win | duration should be rather long so there's any point in the whole interrupted by damage thing |
| 21:57.32 | Bibendus | j |
| 21:57.32 | Bibendus | is no longer away : Gone for 5 hours 16 minutes 32 seconds |
| 21:57.39 | Bounty | anyone know? |
| 21:57.44 | Bibendus | no |
| 21:57.47 | Bibendus | what |
| 21:57.47 | Bibendus | xD |
| 21:58.00 | Bounty | what actor message would u use to start an animation at a certain point |
| 21:58.05 | Bounty | like say i wanted to skip the first .5 seconds |
| 21:58.11 | JademusSreg | Wha? |
| 21:58.22 | RipperRoo | jade maybe u got any idea for my problem ? |
| 21:58.25 | Bounty | What are you not understanding? lol |
| 21:58.29 | Bounty | This should be cake for u Jade |
| 21:58.37 | JademusSreg | Shadow, I also have an episode of Criminal Minds to watch. =) |
| 21:58.44 | Bounty | I want to skip the first few seconds of an animation and start it there |
| 21:58.58 | JademusSreg | Start it at an offset? |
| 21:59.01 | A1win | JademusSreg, me too D: |
| 21:59.03 | Bounty | yeah |
| 21:59.06 | Bounty | exactly Jade |
| 21:59.27 | JademusSreg | I'm certain triggers support that. |
| 21:59.45 | JademusSreg | Need to backtrack from the trigger to the actor message. |
| 22:00.08 | Bounty | well i mean technically i am using triggers |
| 22:00.14 | Bounty | just using the action Send Actor Message |
| 22:00.41 | Bounty | oo |
| 22:00.43 | Bounty | think i found it |
| 22:00.45 | Bounty | Set Animation time? |
| 22:00.48 | Bibendus | i know it can be done with trgers |
| 22:00.53 | Bibendus | dunno if it can be done with acto events |
| 22:00.57 | RipperRoo | jade any idea for me ? >.< |
| 22:00.59 | Bounty | says it skips ahead in an animation |
| 22:01.01 | Bounty | so |
| 22:01.04 | Bounty | im goign to assume thats it |
| 22:01.04 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:01.15 | Bibendus | with triggers? |
| 22:01.19 | Bounty | yeah |
| 22:01.23 | Bibendus | first |
| 22:01.25 | Bibendus | start the animation |
| 22:01.26 | Bibendus | then say |
| 22:01.31 | Bibendus | skip animation time |
| 22:01.33 | Bibendus | or whatever it is |
| 22:01.39 | Bibendus | but i know first u must start the anim |
| 22:01.46 | Bibendus | i did it in crush company |
| 22:02.01 | JademusSreg | What's the problem Roo? |
| 22:02.09 | Bounty | yeah so just use the play animation trigger followed by that |
| 22:02.10 | Bounty | yes? |
| 22:03.23 | JademusSreg | Bounty, try play animation, then set animation completion. |
| 22:03.45 | JademusSreg | It takes a percent, so it will scale perfectly, of course. |
| 22:03.56 | Bibendus | yep |
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| 22:04.03 | Bibendus | i dont remember the name of second trigger |
| 22:04.05 | Bibendus | read what u found |
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| 22:04.11 | Bibendus | and ill tell u if its right |
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| 22:04.45 | Bounty | yay it works |
| 22:04.48 | Bounty | he jumps |
| 22:04.50 | Bounty | =P |
| 22:04.55 | Bounty | or atleast the animation looks right |
| 22:04.56 | Bounty | >< |
| 22:05.09 | Bounty | ty bib |
| 22:05.23 | Bibendus | :P |
| 22:05.27 | Bounty | its send actor message animplay followed by set anim complete |
| 22:05.36 | JademusSreg | A1, I expect the same thing can be done from data, but I don't know exactly which events and messages you'd use off the top of my head. |
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| 22:05.45 | Bibendus | ye then i suppose it works with actor events too |
| 22:05.51 | Bounty | well that would be a pain in the ass and more work then needed |
| 22:05.54 | Bibendus | btw the solution was to first start the anim |
| 22:05.57 | Bibendus | then set the time |
| 22:06.39 | Bibendus | hey sixen |
| 22:06.48 | Bounty | all i know is im so glad i figured out how to change a units mover via triggers |
| 22:06.48 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:06.49 | Bibendus | where is the today's news? |
| 22:06.58 | Bounty | i was just gonna say Bib |
| 22:06.58 | Bibendus | woot? |
| 22:06.59 | Bibendus | rly? |
| 22:07.00 | RipperRoo | oh jade sorry didnt saw u asked about the prob^^ |
| 22:07.04 | Bounty | niether of us got newsed |
| 22:07.09 | Bounty | Rooftop Snipers!? |
| 22:07.14 | Bibendus | u should get newsed first |
| 22:07.15 | RipperRoo | (22:49:17) (RipperRoo) hey guys im having a problem .. my ability should produce an marine and send them to a special area.. in this area there is only a special number of marines allowed... so my train ability has the requirement that there is one spot free ... all works fine.. |
| 22:07.18 | Bibendus | i want the weekend window :P |
| 22:07.25 | Bibendus | bounty |
| 22:07.28 | RipperRoo | (22:50:02) (RipperRoo) but the problem is while the marine is running to the area... there is a little short time .. maybe just a half of a second where you can still train an marine.. because theother one is still on the run ...got any ideas how i avoid that? |
| 22:07.28 | Bibendus | how did u change mover? |
| 22:07.34 | Bounty | Upgrades |
| 22:07.36 | Bibendus | editing tables? |
| 22:07.38 | Bibendus | rly' |
| 22:07.39 | Bounty | nope |
| 22:07.39 | Bibendus | ' |
| 22:07.40 | Bibendus | ? |
| 22:07.41 | JademusSreg | RipperRoo, does the are already cover from where it spawns? |
| 22:07.41 | Bounty | yes |
| 22:07.45 | Bibendus | but its the same for all units |
| 22:07.45 | JademusSreg | *area |
| 22:07.46 | Bibendus | of type |
| 22:07.47 | Bibendus | right? |
| 22:07.52 | RipperRoo | nope |
| 22:08.02 | Bounty | create 2 upgrades that change the units mover |
| 22:08.05 | Bounty | i couldnt get fly to work |
| 22:08.08 | Bounty | but Colossus does |
| 22:08.09 | Bibendus | but |
| 22:08.12 | Bounty | which is good enough |
| 22:08.14 | Bibendus | its for |
| 22:08.20 | Bibendus | all units of the same tpe right? |
| 22:08.20 | JademusSreg | Why wouldn't you extend the area of count globally? |
| 22:08.23 | Bibendus | not only for 1 unit |
| 22:08.26 | Bounty | yeah |
| 22:08.28 | Bibendus | kk |
| 22:08.31 | Bounty | but ucould just duplicate the unit |
| 22:08.33 | JademusSreg | *or |
| 22:08.36 | Bibendus | ye |
| 22:08.42 | Bounty | it works though |
| 22:08.43 | Bounty | and now |
| 22:08.46 | Bibendus | if its a hro |
| 22:08.47 | Bibendus | hero |
| 22:08.47 | Bounty | i can have jumping Doodads |
| 22:08.48 | Bibendus | single hero |
| 22:08.51 | RipperRoo | geez can i query u ? my english isnt that good and if the others write so much its irritates me |
| 22:08.51 | Bibendus | obviously :D |
| 22:08.58 | RipperRoo | isnt that well ^^ |
| 22:09.04 | JademusSreg | Alright, just this once. |
| 22:12.03 | A1win | now I feel like the mech should have another ability that's always present, one just feels so lonely |
| 22:12.51 | JManV | i decided to release an unfinished map that actually has a lot of content to it |
| 22:18.34 | JademusSreg | ??? |
| 22:20.06 | A1win | I guess he's talking about something else than the pokemon map :P |
| 22:20.31 | JademusSreg | Oh. |
| 22:20.37 | JademusSreg | Also, orly? |
| 22:21.34 | A1win | hehe I changed the mech's protrait to adjutant |
| 22:21.45 | A1win | "yo dawg, we heard you like robots..." |
| 22:22.51 | JManV | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/triggers/19713-asset-triggers-unfinished-map-rpg-wars/#p1 |
| 22:22.54 | JademusSreg | Hahaha |
| 22:23.05 | JManV | its the game i was working on before pokemon |
| 22:23.37 | JManV | i already ganked most of the code out of it anyways, and i don't think it hurts anything to release it publicly so ppl can learn |
| 22:23.47 | JManV | there's some fairly cool stuff in there |
| 22:24.16 | A1win | hmm, what about some basic abilities like crouching for cover or the like |
| 22:24.32 | A1win | though something that's actually fun to use |
| 22:25.20 | JademusSreg | Block, Evade |
| 22:25.29 | A1win | what about a temporary shield |
| 22:25.38 | JademusSreg | Yeah, Block. =) |
| 22:25.52 | JademusSreg | I'm using the generic term here. |
| 22:25.56 | A1win | hehe |
| 22:26.14 | A1win | but it'll absorb damage just like the protoss shields |
| 22:26.23 | A1win | but only for a short period |
| 22:27.05 | A1win | power word: shield |
| 22:27.11 | Clord | lol this youtube stuff from north korea is funny... their beloved leader invented study desk.. so they say ^^ |
| 22:27.19 | Clord | with adjustable height |
| 22:27.45 | A1win | though the shield would probably be just spammed during combat |
| 22:27.50 | A1win | unless it was a bit more powerful |
| 22:27.54 | A1win | and had longer cooldown |
| 22:28.13 | A1win | so that if you use it against just anything, it's not very efficient |
| 22:29.05 | A1win | the shield could be part of the Engine Module and the repair bots a part of the Hull Module |
| 22:29.46 | A1win | or PSU might be better word for the engine one |
| 22:30.39 | JademusSreg | Super Smash Bros. |
| 22:30.59 | JademusSreg | Blocking and evasion. <3 |
| 22:31.06 | A1win | hmmh :> |
| 22:31.15 | A1win | can't remember much from that game, only played it once a long time ago :P |
| 22:31.56 | A1win | so how'd they work in it? |
| 22:32.23 | JademusSreg | You could block, and if your shield was busted, it would stun you. |
| 22:32.52 | JademusSreg | You could evade, but you're helpless on the way down if done in midair. |
| 22:33.25 | A1win | so basically the same thing with different drawbacks? |
| 22:33.37 | JademusSreg | Blocking was very responsive, evading had a fraction of a moment between input and response, and a short recovery. |
| 22:33.41 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 22:34.13 | JademusSreg | Two different ways of avoiding things, which handle differently and have their own vulnerabilities. |
| 22:34.22 | JademusSreg | Watch some gameplay footage. |
| 22:34.23 | A1win | I could make the shield power up slowly by giving 2 buffs: one that sets max shields for n seconds, and one that sets shield regeneration for n-m seconds |
| 22:34.33 | A1win | or not slowly, rather quickly |
| 22:34.35 | A1win | but over time anyway |
| 22:35.10 | JademusSreg | Look for footage from Brawl. |
| 22:35.27 | JademusSreg | Since older games had some really obscene tricks. |
| 22:38.51 | Bibendus | is now away - Reason : Auto-Away after 30 minutes |
| 22:39.32 | A1win | can't see much from gameplay footage without knowing what the animations and stuff mean :P |
| 22:39.54 | JademusSreg | The bubbles mean block. |
| 22:40.23 | JademusSreg | The rolling away and midair stop (not jump) means evade. |
| 22:40.55 | JademusSreg | Tucking and rolling or side stepping are evasion animations. |
| 22:41.17 | JademusSreg | Midair evasion stops the character and makes it flicker. |
| 22:45.28 | JManV | so many dialog constants :| |
| 22:46.05 | JademusSreg | Yup. |
| 22:46.19 | JademusSreg | That's the worst part of working with dialogs for me. |
| 22:46.23 | JManV | wish i could use a record |
| 22:46.47 | JademusSreg | You could. |
| 22:46.57 | JManV | i tried it. it don't work |
| 22:47.06 | A1win | can't have constants in records |
| 22:47.10 | JManV | unless i initialize it in a function |
| 22:47.15 | JademusSreg | I know. =) |
| 22:47.18 | JManV | which defeats the purpose |
| 22:47.23 | JManV | (kinda) |
| 22:47.25 | JademusSreg | I said you could, not that it would be an improvement. |
| 22:47.29 | JManV | heh |
| 22:47.42 | JManV | it is a pain to scroll through all those constants |
| 22:49.01 | A1win | would the shield I described be interesting enough or should it have something else to it as well, maybe decrease movement speed by a great deal or something |
| 22:49.23 | JManV | i could do galaxy, but my constant names come out like this: lib059B7E60_gv_cConversationOKButtonWidth |
| 22:49.57 | JManV | not any better |
| 22:50.04 | JademusSreg | Well, if the shield left you immobile, it probably wouldn't get as much use. |
| 22:50.10 | JManV | oh well |
| 22:50.22 | JademusSreg | You could remove all that prefix shit if you wanted. |
| 22:50.48 | JManV | i could |
| 22:50.49 | A1win | yeah I guess... |
| 22:51.00 | JManV | its all referenced tho |
| 22:51.16 | JManV | that bastard! |
| 22:51.31 | JademusSreg | I like the idea of a shield that makes the player's mech immobile for a brief period. |
| 22:51.44 | JademusSreg | But it depends on pacing how well it wouldf fit. |
| 22:51.49 | A1win | mm |
| 22:51.58 | JademusSreg | In SSB, it fits perfectly, because it's so responsive. |
| 22:52.04 | JademusSreg | And the game is frantic. |
| 22:52.31 | Bounty | Hey Jade |
| 22:52.34 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 22:52.36 | A1win | here you might not have been moving anyway, so it might lose its purpose a bit |
| 22:52.40 | Bounty | should i have a seperate input trigger for space? (Jump) |
| 22:52.44 | Bounty | or just throw it in the same one as the WASD |
| 22:52.51 | JademusSreg | Same. |
| 22:52.58 | Bounty | kk cool, ty <3 |
| 22:53.02 | A1win | all keys to the same event |
| 22:53.02 | JademusSreg | In fact, use my input script you! |
| 22:53.06 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:53.07 | JademusSreg | Or the GUI version. |
| 22:53.18 | Bounty | but i thought we determined our systems have the same reponsiveness? |
| 22:53.26 | JademusSreg | You imagined that. |
| 22:53.30 | Bounty | u said that |
| 22:53.33 | JademusSreg | And you imagined I agreed. |
| 22:53.33 | Bounty | =P |
| 22:53.47 | JademusSreg | Naw, I said it was fine for what you were doing. =) |
| 22:53.56 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:54.00 | Bounty | oh you |
| 22:54.01 | JademusSreg | But my implementation is pure love. |
| 22:58.37 | Tobin1 | Whats the best way to make a skill shot? |
| 22:58.51 | JademusSreg | Aim it first. |
| 22:58.59 | Pushover | lol |
| 22:59.52 | Tobin1 | Make a train ability that sends a suicide on contact unit? |
| 23:00.10 | Tobin1 | Thats just my guess. |
| 23:00.22 | JademusSreg | I don't know what you're asking. |
| 23:01.04 | Tobin1 | I'm asking how to make an aimed missile ability with limited range. |
| 23:01.13 | A1win | if I have an ability that applies 2 buffs, do I need 2 set behavior effects and one effect that calls them both or what? |
| 23:01.26 | JademusSreg | Tobin, just use a projectile. |
| 23:01.39 | JademusSreg | That's how those things work. =) |
| 23:01.55 | JademusSreg | Yes, A1. |
| 23:02.08 | JademusSreg | The one that applies them would be a Set class effect. |
| 23:02.18 | A1win | kk |
| 23:02.25 | JademusSreg | That, or you can have the behavior apply another behavior on Initial application. |
| 23:02.45 | JademusSreg | It should be the first of second effect field on a Buff class behavior. |
| 23:02.50 | A1win | ah... could do that |
| 23:03.07 | JademusSreg | *or |
| 23:03.12 | JademusSreg | I always do that. Haha |
| 23:04.41 | Motive | So |
| 23:04.43 | Motive | in regards to copyright |
| 23:04.59 | JademusSreg | It's a trap! |
| 23:05.19 | Motive | it's been my understanding, regardless of the proper legality of it, that currently, all maps you make in the SC2 Editor are property of Blizzard Entertainment |
| 23:05.34 | Motive | meaning you only work as a maintainer and have no right to say "All rights reserved" or impose any kind of licensing restrictions. |
| 23:05.37 | JademusSreg | Yeah, sounds about right. |
| 23:05.41 | Motive | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/general/general-chat/19665-websites-packing-our-maps/#p17 |
| 23:05.42 | Motive | Back me up :P |
| 23:06.22 | JademusSreg | I don't post on the forums about crap that doesn't interest me, though. It's how I maintain such a nice low profile. |
| 23:06.25 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 23:06.35 | Motive | :P |
| 23:06.45 | Motive | I just hate when people play lawyer |
| 23:06.47 | JademusSreg | Look, they can read the EULA. |
| 23:06.55 | Motive | especially if they suck at it |
| 23:06.55 | JademusSreg | That's the end of the story. |
| 23:06.55 | Motive | Lol |
| 23:07.15 | Motive | I love good legal arguments but there's very little ground to stand on in their case |
| 23:08.05 | JademusSreg | Maybe if the person made its own editor from scratch without reverse engineering the official editor they could claim blah blah. |
| 23:08.23 | Motive | Oh yeah |
| 23:08.33 | Motive | I fully believe you can copyright Galaxy code if you write it in, for example, Notepad++ |
| 23:08.49 | Motive | or even do some trickery like copyrighting the name of your map, assuming it's original, and then make the map named that |
| 23:09.17 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 23:09.40 | Motive | Then you grant Blizzard an exclusive individual right to use that name. :) |
| 23:09.58 | Motive | But either way |
| 23:10.03 | Motive | the resulting work is still Blizzard's. |
| 23:10.06 | A1win | hmm how do I get these shields to start at 0 |
| 23:10.15 | JManV | just because you made a word document doesn't mean it belongs to microsoft |
| 23:10.29 | Motive | because MS doesn't have an EULA that says that |
| 23:10.35 | A1win | do I need an effect that sets it to 0? |
| 23:10.56 | JManV | that seems questionable |
| 23:10.59 | JademusSreg | A1, starting shields? |
| 23:11.03 | JManV | but i'm not going to pretend i know |
| 23:11.07 | Motive | You can debate the legality of the "all your maps are belong to us" statement, but I doubt there'd be a serious problem considering you agreed to it anyways, and you could've still made the map w/o the editor. Albeit more difficultly. |
| 23:11.15 | JademusSreg | The data editor should have a field for it on the unit. |
| 23:11.22 | A1win | JademusSreg, it has 0 but when I give the unit 100 max shields, they automatically set to 100 |
| 23:11.36 | Motive | In the end though, when you publish the map using the editor, you're agreeing to the EULA anyways, so that's down the toilet. |
| 23:11.45 | JademusSreg | Maybe modify current shields with an effect applied by the buff. |
| 23:11.54 | A1win | mm that's what I thought |
| 23:12.06 | JademusSreg | The Modify Unit effect has a Vital field. |
| 23:12.15 | JManV | stupid drag! |
| 23:12.34 | JManV | they're never gonna fix that, are they? |
| 23:13.09 | JademusSreg | Protoss can dress however frilly they want - don't judge. |
| 23:13.15 | JademusSreg | Wait, what did you mean by drag? |
| 23:13.29 | JManV | you don't use the trigger editor, you wouldn't know :P |
| 23:13.36 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 23:13.37 | JManV | it drags things when you're not holding down the button |
| 23:13.48 | JManV | it's SUPER annoying |
| 23:14.01 | A1win | it only has vital change field, should I just subtract shields equal to the max shields then |
| 23:14.31 | JademusSreg | Sounds good. |
| 23:14.31 | A1win | seems bad to have to define the max shield value in two places for upgrades and stuff :P ...or I could just subtract a very big number |
| 23:14.39 | JademusSreg | Which is to say, worth a try. =) |
| 23:14.53 | Tobin1 | What impact location do i use jademus? |
| 23:14.54 | JademusSreg | I would have expected a Vital Fraction field array. |
| 23:15.02 | A1win | oh hmm |
| 23:15.15 | JademusSreg | Source or target should work. |
| 23:15.17 | A1win | yeah it has change fraction too =P |
| 23:15.21 | JademusSreg | Sometimes it's not clear. |
| 23:15.34 | Tobin1 | k |
| 23:15.46 | JademusSreg | Use fraction -1. |
| 23:15.54 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 23:15.59 | A1win | yupp |
| 23:17.04 | A1win | uh... didn't work |
| 23:17.50 | JademusSreg | Was the effect applied before or near-simultaneously with the modify max shields? |
| 23:18.43 | A1win | in chain with that, first effect sets max shields, calls the set regeneration buff on init, which calls the modify fraction effect on init |
| 23:18.59 | A1win | errm |
| 23:19.15 | A1win | maybe the unit's max shields should always be applied |
| 23:19.23 | A1win | and I just set the current shields instead |
| 23:19.47 | JademusSreg | It would be simpler. |
| 23:19.53 | A1win | though that wouldn't be as elegant with the empty shield bar visible all the time... |
| 23:20.10 | JademusSreg | Because you'd need a time offset before modifying current shields after modifying max shields anyway. |
| 23:20.22 | A1win | hmm |
| 23:21.06 | JademusSreg | One of the toughest things to deal with in this game is knowing what stuff happens near-instantly and which doesn't. |
| 23:21.24 | A1win | there's Stats - Duration Vital Bonuses on the buff too |
| 23:21.48 | JademusSreg | Worth a try. =) |
| 23:21.56 | JademusSreg | Sounds pretty neat. |
| 23:23.40 | A1win | no effect |
| 23:24.39 | JademusSreg | I figure it needs a time offset. |
| 23:24.44 | A1win | mm |
| 23:24.53 | A1win | which would suck :P |
| 23:25.08 | A1win | "yay I have full shields, oh no I have empty shields that restore to full" |
| 23:25.20 | A1win | though I guess it wouldn't be noticable if it was very short |
| 23:25.50 | JademusSreg | a few steps, or 1 tick, I'm guessing. |
| 23:27.53 | Bounty | hmmm |
| 23:30.57 | A1win | how do I set a time offset for an effect? I'll see how it feels if I just keep max shields up and then just drain all shields after x seconds when the ability is used |
| 23:31.44 | JademusSreg | Set Persistent effect, not channeled, iirc |
| 23:32.36 | A1win | mmh with what? |
| 23:33.27 | JademusSreg | For example, if the main buff had a Set Persistent effect (or Set effect + Set Persistent effect fopr multiple effects) applied on initial, the Set Persistent effect could be given a duration, a very small time offset. |
| 23:33.37 | JademusSreg | Like 0.035 |
| 23:34.03 | Tobin1 | We'll i've gotten nowhere, what ability type do i use? |
| 23:34.04 | A1win | I don't want a small offset, I want to reset the unit's current shield after the thing expires |
| 23:34.13 | JademusSreg | Oh. |
| 23:34.19 | A1win | but the regeneration buff only lasts for let's say 5 sec, then 5 sec after that I'll reset the shields |
| 23:34.33 | JademusSreg | I guess I was confused. |
| 23:34.52 | JademusSreg | You can apply an effect on buff expiration. |
| 23:35.12 | A1win | then I need a time offset for it |
| 23:35.27 | A1win | or use another buff that doesn't do anything... |
| 23:35.59 | A1win | should it be done like that or is there a better way? |
| 23:36.24 | JademusSreg | The Modify Unit class effect applies a permanent changed, compared to buffs which last for duration, right? |
| 23:36.45 | A1win | yeah |
| 23:36.58 | JademusSreg | IO need to do some more research there. =) |
| 23:37.24 | A1win | so buff1: apply regeneration for 5 sec -> buff2: expires in 10 sec -> subtract 100% shields |
| 23:37.36 | JademusSreg | Yeah. |
| 23:37.46 | JademusSreg | Looks right. |
| 23:39.09 | Tobin1 | Trying to create an attack that fires a missile where (left) clicked. Can anyone walk me through this? |
| 23:39.58 | JademusSreg | Walking people through that stuff is beyond my attention span and time constraints. |
| 23:40.44 | JademusSreg | You need to decide if you want it to be an ability, a weapon, or have the missile spawn scripted entirely. |
| 23:40.46 | A1win | hmm now the regeneration applying worked but resetting the shields still doesn't |
| 23:40.57 | A1win | I guess I'm doing something wrong when setting them |
| 23:41.08 | A1win | so the first thing might have also worked if I had done it right :P |
| 23:41.10 | A1win | but actually |
| 23:41.16 | A1win | got a better idea |
| 23:41.27 | A1win | instead of just resetting the shields, they degenerate |
| 23:41.34 | JademusSreg | Nice. |
| 23:41.41 | JademusSreg | I love stuff like that. |
| 23:41.52 | JademusSreg | Very clean to pull off too. |
| 23:41.53 | A1win | so I can just have default shield regenerateion at -something, then set it to +something for n seconds, and then the buff ends |
| 23:42.02 | JademusSreg | Exactly. |
| 23:42.28 | JademusSreg | Simple and intuitive. |
| 23:44.41 | A1win | err, but it doesn't work |
| 23:44.41 | A1win | :P |
| 23:44.50 | A1win | I need to stop the regeneration once they've reached full |
| 23:44.52 | JademusSreg | =\ |
| 23:44.57 | A1win | otherwise it keeps regenerating when it takes damage |
| 23:45.24 | A1win | err.. just 2 buffs |
| 23:45.43 | JademusSreg | Validator... something... |
| 23:45.51 | JademusSreg | But I need to start dinner. |
| 23:45.53 | JademusSreg | bbl |
| 23:46.02 | A1win | first one applies regeneration for 5 sec, second one applies 0 regeneration for 5 sec after that, and then it resets back to degeneration |
| 23:47.19 | A1win | can I upgrade behaviors? =p |
| 23:47.43 | Tobin1 | i think so |
| 23:49.30 | Tobin1 | Yeah you can |
| 23:49.46 | A1win | uh that's weird, now it doesn't reset the regeneration rate for some reason |
| 23:50.03 | Tobin1 | What are you trying to make? |
| 23:50.47 | A1win | a temporary shield ability |
| 23:52.11 | Tobin1 | "Shield lasts X seconds or until Y Damage has been taken"? |
| 23:52.31 | A1win | nah, it's like the protoss shield |
| 23:52.34 | A1win | or well |
| 23:52.38 | A1win | that's what it does :P |
| 23:53.16 | A1win | it gives you a quick shield regeneration for 5 seconds which fills your shields to 100%, then lasts for 5 sec and then restores shield degeneration which quickly drains them back to 0% |
| 23:53.25 | A1win | hmm for some reason this buff never expires |
| 23:53.29 | A1win | when I gave it an expiration effect =p |
| 23:54.00 | A1win | should I use the Final effect instead? |
| 23:54.05 | JManV | cuz it adds shields? |
| 23:54.14 | JManV | adding shields might be a permanent effect |
| 23:54.19 | A1win | no, the buff literally doesn't disappear |
| 23:54.23 | A1win | I disabled hidden |
| 23:54.23 | JManV | oh |
| 23:54.39 | JManV | does it have a duration? |
| 23:54.44 | A1win | yeah, 5 sec |
| 23:54.53 | A1win | it did reset before i gave it the expire effect |
| 23:55.01 | A1win | oh |
| 23:55.03 | A1win | xD |
| 23:55.08 | A1win | the expire effect applies the same buff |
| 23:55.11 | A1win | forgot to change that |
| 23:55.17 | JManV | heh |
| 23:55.19 | JManV | hahahaahaha |
| 23:55.27 | JManV | thats actually hilarious |
| 23:55.29 | A1win | err... no it doesn't |
| 23:55.40 | JManV | aw :( |
| 23:55.53 | A1win | ahh |
| 23:55.56 | A1win | it does, I'm blind |
| 23:56.06 | A1win | was looking at its name and not the behavior it applies |
| 23:56.13 | A1win | they have the same name =p conveniently |
| 23:56.30 | JManV | that sounds inconvenient, actually :P |
| 23:56.59 | A1win | well it's only confusing because I was looking at the data value and not the field name |
| 23:57.12 | A1win | actually it's not exactly same anyway |
| 23:57.20 | A1win | the effect has (Apply Buff) suffix |
| 23:58.41 | A1win | \o/ win is had |
| 23:58.51 | A1win | though 5 sec regeneration period is way too long, 3 might be better |
