| 00:00.11 | JManV | as long as i'm adequetely rewarded with more cool stuff... |
| 00:00.12 | A1win | have you played progress quest? ...or "played" |
| 00:00.12 | BorgDragon | anyone know why my Warlock always ends up BELOW the target unit when using a teleport effect? |
| 00:00.14 | JManV | i'm insatiable |
| 00:00.45 | A1win | it's a "game" that runs in the background and automatically levels up your character |
| 00:00.59 | JManV | weird |
| 00:01.03 | A1win | with no interaction at all :P |
| 00:01.11 | A1win | but it shows cool progress bars and status messages |
| 00:01.12 | A1win | and lists |
| 00:01.16 | A1win | of your stuff |
| 00:01.24 | JManV | that you can't use? |
| 00:01.37 | A1win | yea, the character does everything himself |
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| 00:01.48 | A1win | http://www.indiegames.com/blog/images/timw/pquest2b.png |
| 00:02.17 | JManV | i'm not that much of a level whote |
| 00:02.22 | JManV | i need interaction |
| 00:02.26 | A1win | hehe |
| 00:02.28 | JManV | i like to be able pick my stuff |
| 00:02.32 | A1win | thought it'd make your life easier :( |
| 00:02.33 | JademusSreg | Heh, someone who visits the indiegames blog. |
| 00:02.37 | JademusSreg | < |
| 00:02.38 | JManV | even if he used it for me |
| 00:02.38 | JademusSreg | 3 |
| 00:02.44 | A1win | JademusSreg, I just googled it :P |
| 00:02.47 | A1win | the image that is |
| 00:02.49 | JManV | as long as i got to pick it, and it affected things |
| 00:02.52 | JademusSreg | Then I take it back. |
| 00:02.56 | JademusSreg | >3 |
| 00:02.57 | JManV | i'd play it :P |
| 00:03.30 | A1win | ever played ragnarok online? |
| 00:03.32 | JManV | but with no interaction whatsoever |
| 00:03.51 | A1win | we played on a server that had 0.012% drop rates on *all* the cards the monsters drop |
| 00:03.56 | A1win | and we kept farming those |
| 00:03.58 | A1win | forever and ever |
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| 00:04.21 | A1win | and we started seeing those cards everywhere after a while |
| 00:04.24 | JManV | man, now i want to level whore |
| 00:04.28 | A1win | almost like hallucinations :P |
| 00:04.39 | A1win | was a bit creepy |
| 00:05.56 | A1win | I still feel the bank system isn't good enough for saving character states since it can be edited or at least copied by anyone |
| 00:06.26 | A1win | even if very few people if any would do it :P |
| 00:06.30 | A1win | it just feels awkward |
| 00:06.55 | Shawn|Rawr | Too bad we cant store the players name in the bank |
| 00:07.01 | A1win | mm... |
| 00:07.15 | A1win | has blizzard said why? |
| 00:07.29 | Shawn|Rawr | I assume it's so we cant ban people from our maps |
| 00:07.34 | A1win | ah |
| 00:07.38 | JademusSreg | =( |
| 00:07.59 | Shawn|Rawr | I'd convince other mappers to ban rodrigo from everything |
| 00:08.02 | Shawn|Rawr | EVERYTHING |
| 00:09.29 | A1win | hmm... for co-op I might convince myself for it to be good enough :P since there's not much point cheating in co-op anyway |
| 00:10.03 | Shawn|Rawr | I dont think people would be likely to copy-pasta banks unless they are friends |
| 00:10.04 | A1win | except to annoy other players but meh |
| 00:10.28 | A1win | mmm |
| 00:10.47 | A1win | and if you play co-op with friends, it doesn't matter if you copy it |
| 00:11.02 | A1win | if you really want to ;p |
| 00:11.05 | Shawn|Rawr | onetwo's bank key looks like 777777777777777777777777777x777777777777777777777777777g777777777777777e77777777777777s77777777777e etc |
| 00:11.28 | Shawn|Rawr | and that somehow turns into a hero save file |
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| 00:11.34 | A1win | hehe |
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| 00:12.07 | JademusSreg | I'm getting the weirdest inexplicable bug. |
| 00:12.45 | Bounty | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahbQNptHCi8 |
| 00:12.50 | Bounty | Thats my competition Jademus |
| 00:12.53 | Bounty | SC Rally |
| 00:12.54 | Bounty | =P |
| 00:13.16 | Bounty | i think visually and control wise... its no competition |
| 00:13.47 | A1win | JManV, umm yeah obviously the monsters in pokemon matter as much as is needed for the combat system :P if there wasn't so much difference of what the player can have to fight with, it wouldn't really be a very interesting combat system to begin with |
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| 00:14.36 | JademusSreg | How about a blend of Pokemon and RoboTrek? |
| 00:14.43 | A1win | what's robotrek? |
| 00:14.49 | JademusSreg | SNES game. |
| 00:14.58 | A1win | haven't even heard of it :s |
| 00:15.18 | JademusSreg | Excellent. |
| 00:15.54 | A1win | but the first thing that comes to my mind from that suggestion is customizable "pokemon" from modular parts :P |
| 00:16.05 | JademusSreg | Deaod, I need your eyes! |
| 00:16.29 | Deaod | cant have them, theyre mine. |
| 00:16.38 | JademusSreg | I need you to look over my work. |
| 00:16.49 | Deaod | uhhh, sure |
| 00:16.59 | JademusSreg | I've got a bug and I have been thus far unable to find it. |
| 00:17.14 | Deaod | i assume its code related? |
| 00:17.18 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 00:18.28 | A1win | mmh I'd probably want a real-time gameplay for my map, turn based is annoying in multiplayer |
| 00:18.51 | Deaod | so, whats the bug? |
| 00:18.54 | A1win | unless everyone makes their choice at the same time, then it might be bearable |
| 00:19.05 | JManV | that's how it works |
| 00:19.11 | JademusSreg | Thread crash, with an error that makes no sense. |
| 00:19.33 | A1win | JManV, mmh true |
| 00:19.33 | A1win | :P |
| 00:19.35 | A1win | and it's 1v1 anyway? |
| 00:19.37 | JademusSreg | It's passing a value over 2 million from a local that never exceeds the limit. It's weird as fuck. |
| 00:19.39 | A1win | the battles that is |
| 00:19.42 | CryptRat | A1win, I'd say it depends on what happens in a turn and how much player choice affects everyone else. |
| 00:19.51 | A1win | I suppose |
| 00:20.24 | A1win | err... my mind is wandering again |
| 00:20.31 | A1win | it's supposed to be co-op anyway |
| 00:20.47 | CryptRat | If the choices only affect the player making them, then they would do better in real-time. |
| 00:20.49 | A1win | mmh somehow turn based sounds even worse for co-op than pvp |
| 00:20.59 | A1win | because of just that |
| 00:21.00 | A1win | :P |
| 00:21.37 | CryptRat | Well I'm kind of torn with something I'm working on along a similar vector. |
| 00:22.14 | CryptRat | It's pvp and I originally intended it to have one player on offense and the other on defense, and switching it up every minute, but it's quite possible that real-time would just play better. |
| 00:23.06 | CryptRat | There will always trade-offs. :/ |
| 00:23.19 | CryptRat | *be |
| 00:24.08 | A1win | so now I'm thinking a co-o RPG with customizable character gameplay... and I'm back to the point that then players will start planning roles since they can, and the whole will become more difficult to balance, which will take a lot of time D: |
| 00:25.09 | A1win | maybe I should just drop the customizability idea and go for something simpler |
| 00:25.33 | A1win | something that I might actually end up finishing :P |
| 00:25.46 | CryptRat | In some respects, I think heavy customization is over-rated. |
| 00:26.27 | A1win | at least if it confuses the player of what they should choose and such |
| 00:26.41 | CryptRat | Exactly. |
| 00:26.52 | A1win | especially for a game that probably won't be played as much as some mmorpg or something |
| 00:27.41 | A1win | maybe just giving the players different choices during the game might work out better |
| 00:28.34 | CryptRat | Or maybe the order objectives are completed affects their skillset? |
| 00:28.52 | A1win | hehe now I'm thinking of the old snes multiplayer sidescrollers... like the turtles games and such |
| 00:28.58 | A1win | or were those for nes as well, can't remember |
| 00:29.22 | CryptRat | Well I never owned an NES. I had a neighbor with an SNES though. |
| 00:29.40 | CryptRat | Super mario world or some such and mario paint? |
| 00:29.43 | A1win | my nes is still working.. if you stick a pen or something on the casette to keep it low enough |
| 00:29.44 | Shawn|Rawr | I have an nes in my closet |
| 00:30.02 | Shawn|Rawr | Still works perfectly |
| 00:30.03 | CryptRat | I'd use my 64, but the controllers are messed up. :/ |
| 00:30.12 | CryptRat | Starfox <3 |
| 00:30.39 | A1win | anyway the point was that players always sticked together on the same screen (for obvious reason back then) |
| 00:30.58 | CryptRat | They were required to? or they elected to? |
| 00:30.58 | A1win | hmm and now it's being repeated in left 4 dead for example o: |
| 00:31.02 | Shawn|Rawr | Not true in all cases |
| 00:31.07 | Shawn|Rawr | Required |
| 00:31.10 | A1win | they had to because there was only one screen :P |
| 00:31.18 | A1win | unless it was split |
| 00:31.21 | A1win | but anyway |
| 00:31.49 | A1win | err... |
| 00:31.54 | Shawn|Rawr | I think it was metal slug that did split screen in some case |
| 00:32.00 | Shawn|Rawr | cases* |
| 00:32.04 | A1win | so the *point* was that it might be cool actually to have them stick together all the time |
| 00:32.37 | Shawn|Rawr | That would be an interesting thing if you can get it to work |
| 00:32.38 | A1win | maybe just have them move from one encounter to another |
| 00:32.53 | CryptRat | So then what, create some persisting effect that drags everyone to a central point if they spread out too much? :p |
| 00:33.02 | A1win | hehe |
| 00:33.15 | A1win | nah, there should be a reason for it |
| 00:33.16 | Shawn|Rawr | Set the playable region and lock cam movement |
| 00:33.22 | Shawn|Rawr | or something |
| 00:33.34 | A1win | I mean it's fine if they sometimes wander of |
| 00:33.36 | Shawn|Rawr | Smash TV does that |
| 00:33.42 | A1win | but it should be more useful to stick together |
| 00:35.02 | Bounty | What does the Record action do? |
| 00:35.07 | Bounty | can you like... record a killcam? lol |
| 00:36.25 | A1win | ha... what if the player wouldn't even control his character's movement :P could do some cool chasecam stuff and fixed camera angles... but there would have to be a lot of other stuff to do then I guess |
| 00:38.01 | A1win | ...sounds a bit boring no matter what |
| 00:39.21 | grim001 | I just discovered a way of reading the files that is much, much, much faster. |
| 00:39.22 | RipperRooX | hey does someone know much about events? |
| 00:40.06 | Shawn|Rawr | Just ask. Someone will help if they know. |
| 00:40.30 | Shawn|Rawr | If no one responds here, then you should make a forum post |
| 00:40.43 | RipperRooX | ok as far as i know can i let something grow over time with set scale.... but how can i make something change the position over time... |
| 00:41.10 | Shawn|Rawr | Set Position? |
| 00:41.23 | RipperRooX | set position has no duration |
| 00:41.46 | CryptRat | Could you make a behavior that has a periodic effect? |
| 00:41.50 | A1win | what if you can level up your weapons o: beat the fire elementals with an ice elemental sword and it gets quick exp and so on D: |
| 00:42.20 | Shawn|Rawr | Yes cryptrat |
| 00:42.23 | A1win | (like pokemon!) |
| 00:42.49 | CryptRat | I'm having an issue with the Baneling roll animation. I have it launching as a projectile with an ability and I have the roll animation play when the ability is cast, but the animation looks like it restarts as the projectile is moved by the mover. :/ |
| 00:43.15 | A1win | and maybe like have the weapons charge up the more you hit with them and then use it for a special move o: |
| 00:43.38 | RipperRooX | a1in sounds like final fantasy :S |
| 00:43.42 | A1win | haha |
| 00:43.43 | Shawn|Rawr | Why not just come up with a whole FF fight mod |
| 00:43.51 | RipperRooX | ye^^ |
| 00:44.00 | RipperRooX | youtube --> star fantasy |
| 00:44.00 | RipperRooX | :D |
| 00:44.05 | A1win | I haven't played them much, didn't even realize |
| 00:44.15 | A1win | ...not that it sounded very original idea either way |
| 00:44.27 | RipperRooX | havent played them much --> heretic --> ignore |
| 00:44.28 | RipperRooX | :D |
| 00:44.34 | A1win | ;3 |
| 00:45.59 | A1win | uff... real time combat system sounds like a pain in the ass to make though |
| 00:46.26 | Shawn|Rawr | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsARg5A2GsQ&feature=channel_video_title |
| 00:49.05 | Shawn|Rawr | Ryan made all of that by himself btw |
| 00:50.06 | Deaod | bool ThirdPerson_IsIdleInputState (int player) {...} |
| 00:50.27 | Deaod | [...]else if (ThirdPerson_IsIdleInputState) {...} |
| 00:50.32 | Deaod | this actually compiles. |
| 00:50.55 | Deaod | and apparently can make your variables go haywire. |
| 00:51.27 | Deaod | talk to JademusSreg once he gets back. |
| 00:52.51 | Deaod | i dont know about you, but i find the possibility of compiling code thats invalid exciting. |
| 00:53.14 | Shawn|Rawr | Sounds fun. Just need to figure out what we can do with it |
| 00:53.22 | Shawn|Rawr | And then exploit it to the max |
| 00:53.33 | Deaod | not enough dedication on my end. |
| 00:54.08 | A1win | hehe I once got a weird idea for a combat system: people take damage constantly and a lot of other variables are also changing all the time, and they need to keep an eye on everything... then adjust some sliders appropriately to prevent the values dropping/rising too low/high etc. |
| 00:54.14 | Shawn|Rawr | Cool. Now find a way to compare text and we'll be all set |
| 00:54.24 | A1win | like controlling a space ship's resources or something :P |
| 00:54.59 | A1win | "more power to the shields!" |
| 00:55.28 | Shawn|Rawr | We're taking heavy damage! They're taking us from the rear! |
| 00:55.34 | A1win | but yeah could be a bit boring to just adjust some sliders |
| 00:56.31 | A1win | though maybe the GUI could be better than that :p |
| 00:56.52 | A1win | 2D image of the ship with interactive areas or something |
| 00:59.18 | Shawn|Rawr | ryan once made a map where you were on the hyperion while it was being attacked and you had to go out and defend it |
| 01:00.38 | A1win | another idea I had earlier today was to make some kind of an abstract system (using the awesome shape models), like damage being represented by balls of different colors which you throw at enemies which are also just colored shapes, and then get more colored balls as rewards from each fight and so on |
| 01:01.17 | Shawn|Rawr | i read that earlier |
| 01:01.27 | A1win | oh I wrote it here too :P |
| 01:01.40 | A1win | getting confused already, it's 3 am and I didn't even sleep much last night <.< |
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| 01:05.47 | A1win | mmh I remember playing some game made by The Games Factory or what was it, that very limited game creation software... but anyway it was a kind of a dungeon crawler where all you had was the ability to move and space to hold down and release for a blast around the character, strength depending on how long you held space down (while enemies got closer and closer) |
| 01:06.16 | A1win | was rather interesting for a little while until I realized it just repeats the same thing over and over |
| 01:06.52 | A1win | but the mechanics were rather relaxed with just one button to shoot |
| 01:07.02 | A1win | or.. attack |
| 01:07.41 | grim001 | OK, I solved my little performance issue |
| 01:07.59 | Shawn|Rawr | you go grim |
| 01:08.22 | grim001 | old method had exponentially increasing compile time based on the script length, new method has pretty much linear compile time based on the number of lines of code |
| 01:09.04 | grim001 | it takes 1.5 to 2.5 seconds to compile 10,000 lines |
| 01:09.15 | grim001 | split into as few or many files as you like |
| 01:09.24 | Shawn|Rawr | Whats the sc2 script limit? |
| 01:09.42 | Deaod | depends on what you write. |
| 01:10.01 | A1win | sleep time -> |
| 01:10.16 | Deaod | anyway, can someone tell me what the native to output stuff to the debug window is? |
| 01:11.50 | Shawn|Rawr | TriggerDebugOutput(1, StringExternal("Param/Value/6F294874"), true); |
| 01:11.56 | Deaod | thanks |
| 01:12.45 | grim001 | I suggest you create a Print wrapper asap |
| 01:12.48 | grim001 | I hate typing that thing |
| 01:12.57 | Deaod | cnp |
| 01:13.06 | grim001 | Deaod, did you start doing galaxy scripting? |
| 01:13.21 | Deaod | tracing down a bug Owen came across |
| 01:13.39 | grim001 | what kind of bug? |
| 01:13.44 | Deaod | a puzzling one |
| 01:14.00 | Deaod | look at the log |
| 01:14.23 | Deaod | other than that, im not sure how to describe it. |
| 01:15.11 | Deaod | a variable gets changed as a side effect of calling a function that needs an integer parameter without said parameter |
| 01:15.35 | Deaod | the first puzzling bug is how the hell that code manages to get past the compiler |
| 01:15.46 | Deaod | the second is how the hell the variable gets changed |
| 01:16.02 | grim001 | if it's code that shouldn't compile, who knows that the heck could happen |
| 01:16.07 | Deaod | yes. |
| 01:16.11 | grim001 | the real question is whether it's exploitable |
| 01:16.14 | grim001 | for anything useful |
| 01:16.19 | Shawn|Rawr | Thats what i said |
| 01:16.20 | Deaod | which is also what im trying to see |
| 01:16.41 | grim001 | virus maps gogo |
| 01:16.49 | Deaod | :) |
| 01:17.15 | Deaod | hrm, its a local variable. |
| 01:18.25 | Deaod | hah. |
| 01:18.34 | Deaod | lets see |
| 01:19.05 | Deaod | if im right and it works the way i think it does, its not much unlike the return nothing bug in WC3. |
| 01:19.45 | Shawn|Rawr | Was that bug profitable? |
| 01:19.48 | Shawn|Rawr | >.> |
| 01:19.55 | Deaod | yes. |
| 01:20.02 | Shawn|Rawr | Sweet. |
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| 01:27.24 | Deaod | hmmm |
| 01:27.29 | Deaod | its not what i thought |
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| 01:41.17 | grim001 | Cool, now I can detect when a script requires another script that doesn't exist. |
| 01:41.56 | JademusSreg | Deaod found a bug in one of my scripts that had weird effects. |
| 01:42.21 | JademusSreg | I forgot a function argument (duh) and the script compiled but passed a strange value. |
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| 01:43.30 | Sixen | So... When I set "Depletion VariatioN count" to 0 for minerals, it still depletes |
| 01:43.36 | Sixen | aminotdoinitrite? |
| 01:45.04 | Shawn|Rawr | Sixen, you make maps? |
| 01:45.06 | Shawn|Rawr | >.> |
| 01:45.14 | Sixen | yeah? |
| 01:45.23 | Sixen | I guess you could say that |
| 01:45.31 | JademusSreg | Custom resource behavior? |
| 01:45.34 | Shawn|Rawr | Oh. That's weird. I never thought of you that way, i suppose |
| 01:45.47 | Sixen | Shawn, how could I run Mapster and not be a map maker? :P |
| 01:46.01 | Sixen | Jade: Yeah, i'm just trying to edit default resource behavior |
| 01:46.22 | Sixen | "Depletion Variation Count" is one of them -- setting it to 0 or -1 doesn't do anything. In fact, setting it to any number doesn't do anything. |
| 01:46.36 | JademusSreg | Depletion count is used like a measure of the depletion, used specifically by the actor to set the animation group. |
| 01:46.52 | Shawn|Rawr | I dont know. I thought you and vj just didn't do it for some reason. In fact, for the longest time I though vj owned the sire |
| 01:46.53 | Sixen | Oh, it's just for the animation for the unit carrying it? |
| 01:46.55 | Shawn|Rawr | site* |
| 01:46.56 | JademusSreg | As far as I know, it doesn't do anything else. |
| 01:47.01 | Sixen | vjeux made a bunch of war3 maps afaik |
| 01:47.09 | Sixen | vjeux hasn't been on mapster in forever |
| 01:47.15 | Sixen | Jade: Hum... That's silly |
| 01:47.25 | Sixen | Well then how do I make it so that the minerals never deplete? >.> |
| 01:47.26 | Shawn|Rawr | You should kick him out and replace him with someone more awesome |
| 01:47.28 | Shawn|Rawr | < -- |
| 01:47.43 | Bounty | Jade |
| 01:47.49 | JademusSreg | It takes the Capacity, divides it it n groups, and uses that to determine depletion phases. |
| 01:47.54 | Bounty | You are going to shit your pants with happiness when u see the map now |
| 01:47.54 | Bounty | lol |
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| 01:48.08 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 01:48.08 | Shawn|Rawr | Stragus?! |
| 01:48.35 | JademusSreg | Sixen, Stats Resource Flags |
| 01:48.38 | Sixen | I basically want to have an infinite amount of resource. I want it to always stay at whatever. |
| 01:48.43 | JademusSreg | Minerals are set to Remove When Empty |
| 01:48.43 | Sixen | Yeah, lookinmg at that now. |
| 01:49.02 | Sixen | Hrm, I assumed that meant that it just would affect the animation |
| 01:49.15 | JademusSreg | If you want it to regen resources, give it a behavior to regen the resources. I can show you my tiberium poc map. |
| 01:49.31 | Sixen | I just want it to remove 0 resources. |
| 01:49.48 | JademusSreg | Harvest Amount 0. =D |
| 01:49.55 | Sixen | But then they can't mine? |
| 01:50.00 | JademusSreg | Probably, yeah. |
| 01:50.09 | JManV | details, details... |
| 01:50.35 | JademusSreg | My tiberium is unselectable, though, so you can't see the resource counter anyway. |
| 01:50.40 | JademusSreg | Even though it is harvestable. |
| 01:50.51 | JademusSreg | So the player wouldn't know the difference in practice. |
| 01:51.14 | JManV | death haven's on the first page |
| 01:51.20 | JademusSreg | If it regenerates at a rate that exceeds any possible harvest capacity, it is practically infinite. |
| 01:51.39 | Sixen | Couldn't I use "Restorable" for that then? |
| 01:52.18 | JademusSreg | Restorable? |
| 01:52.26 | Sixen | There's a Behavior flag |
| 01:52.59 | JademusSreg | On the Resource Behavior? |
| 01:53.06 | Sixen | Mhmm |
| 01:53.23 | JademusSreg | I only see Remove When Empty and Hide Harvesters. |
| 01:53.31 | Deaod | http://pastebin.com/DMMBLQJ0 |
| 01:53.37 | Deaod | this is the bug in its pure form |
| 01:53.51 | Sixen | Those are Resource Flags |
| 01:53.53 | JademusSreg | Nice work Deaod. That is hilarious. |
| 01:53.56 | Sixen | I'm talking about the Behavior |
| 01:54.04 | Sixen | "Categories" |
| 01:54.13 | JademusSreg | Neato. |
| 01:54.21 | JademusSreg | I don't know what those do. |
| 01:54.22 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 01:54.26 | Sixen | Okey =) |
| 01:55.02 | Shawn|Rawr | What does the debugger say about this deaod? |
| 01:55.13 | Deaod | actually, you should inline MagicValue() |
| 01:55.19 | Deaod | else the value is going to be constant |
| 01:55.43 | Deaod | so far, i think the value this returns is some sort of offset |
| 01:56.22 | Shawn|Rawr | Can you do the inline thing and repaste it? I want to play with it. |
| 01:56.27 | Deaod | it gets lower, the more code you write. |
| 01:56.28 | Shawn|Rawr | And I dont know what inline mean |
| 01:56.30 | Shawn|Rawr | means |
| 01:56.41 | Shawn|Rawr | >.> |
| 01:56.43 | JademusSreg | That's a bug worth posting about, with some more testing. |
| 01:56.58 | Shawn|Rawr | I want to profit off of it though |
| 01:57.06 | Shawn|Rawr | We can sell them the bug |
| 01:57.12 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 01:57.21 | JademusSreg | Can't sell nothin to nobody. |
| 01:57.33 | Deaod | well, you have to paste the contents of the MagicValue function instead of the call to it, wherever you want to make use of it. |
| 01:57.37 | Skittles | back |
| 01:57.39 | Deaod | thats what i mean by inlining. |
| 01:58.22 | Deaod | you could probably measure the size of a script |
| 01:58.43 | Deaod | so far thats the only thing i can think of |
| 01:59.08 | JademusSreg | Shawn. Imagine instead of using libNtve_gf_UnitGetPropertyResources (unit lp_u, bool lp_current) you decide to use it's contents, FixedToInt(UnitGetPropertyFixed(lp_u, c_unitPropResources, lp_current)). You've effectively inlined that shitty function with a native call, congrats. |
| 01:59.48 | JademusSreg | *inlined that shitty function to |
| 02:00.54 | JademusSreg | Deaod. What values does it return over time? |
| 02:01.04 | Deaod | constant |
| 02:01.09 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 02:01.40 | Deaod | its probably where to jump to if the if statement evaluates to true. |
| 02:01.44 | Deaod | not sure |
| 02:01.48 | Deaod | no guarantee |
| 02:02.14 | JademusSreg | I wonder if it could be used as part of a cryptokey. |
| 02:02.30 | Deaod | nah, its synchronous. |
| 02:02.58 | Deaod | remember how we had the same value on our different machines? |
| 02:03.08 | JademusSreg | Yeah. Good point. |
| 02:03.46 | Shawn|Rawr | lol. what if you used the players screen resolution for a cryptokey? |
| 02:04.14 | Shawn|Rawr | They'd change it and be pissed |
| 02:04.16 | Shawn|Rawr | >.> |
| 02:04.46 | Deaod | as i said, the only use for it i can imagine is a script integrity check. |
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| 02:06.33 | JademusSreg | My life: Like Columbus, I am constantly stubbling into discoveries. Unlike Columbus, I didn't subjugate a native population under the auspices of crown and religion. |
| 02:06.48 | grim001 | OK, now I've setup a pretty good architecture for the code, it's back to attempting to implement topsort. |
| 02:06.57 | JademusSreg | Coo. |
| 02:07.06 | Bounty | Jademus, you rdy for this? lol |
| 02:07.08 | Bounty | =P |
| 02:07.21 | JademusSreg | Sure. Let me shut down the editor. |
| 02:08.07 | Bounty | You want to join us Sixen? :) |
| 02:09.29 | JademusSreg | I'm there. Implemented full mouse control yet? =) |
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| 02:21.08 | Sixen | trying to figure this out |
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| 02:30.22 | JademusSreg | Sixen, if you want to see my tiberium poc, let me know. |
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| 02:32.46 | Shawn|Rawr | Sixen, is the life of a mineral patch = its resources |
| 02:32.56 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
| 02:33.03 | Dogmai | hey guys, quick question |
| 02:33.06 | Shawn|Rawr | Its weird that its 10000 then |
| 02:33.08 | JademusSreg | Though it could probably be done. |
| 02:33.12 | Dogmai | out of curiosity, if say 4 players, A B C D join a game |
| 02:33.15 | Dogmai | and then C leaves |
| 02:33.17 | Dogmai | and the game launches |
| 02:33.27 | Dogmai | does that mean you have players 1 2 3 in the game, or a 1 2 4 |
| 02:33.42 | Sixen | hmph |
| 02:33.45 | JademusSreg | Pretty sure it's by slot, so the latter. |
| 02:33.53 | Dogmai | yeah, thats what i thought |
| 02:34.05 | Dogmai | so for code optimization, it would be better to create your own slot system |
| 02:34.09 | Dogmai | for when a game starts |
| 02:34.56 | JademusSreg | You want to store an array of ints representing active players and only iterate throug that array instead of all slots or what? |
| 02:35.13 | Dogmai | yea |
| 02:35.18 | Dogmai | thats what i was thinking of doing |
| 02:35.27 | Dogmai | cause im rewriting my engine atm |
| 02:35.35 | JademusSreg | And you don't want to use PlayerGroupActive? |
| 02:35.41 | Dogmai | no groups |
| 02:35.45 | Dogmai | over my dead body |
| 02:35.45 | JademusSreg | Alright. |
| 02:35.52 | Dogmai | groups are the devil! |
| 02:36.03 | JademusSreg | Then yeah, it should be easy to manage such a primitive list. |
| 02:36.08 | Dogmai | yeah |
| 02:36.11 | Dogmai | thats what i was thinking |
| 02:36.27 | Dogmai | i thought of it in my sleep last night |
| 02:36.32 | JademusSreg | And it will almost invariably same you some ops. |
| 02:36.33 | Dogmai | i should be dreaming about other girls |
| 02:36.35 | Dogmai | but noooooo |
| 02:36.38 | Dogmai | i dream numbers |
| 02:36.40 | Dogmai | whoopydo |
| 02:36.53 | JademusSreg | *save |
| 02:36.59 | Dogmai | yea, i read it as save mate |
| 02:37.12 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 02:37.16 | Dogmai | cause all players in the game are assigned a position number anyways |
| 02:37.22 | Dogmai | so instead of using player number |
| 02:37.26 | Dogmai | just use position number player |
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| 02:38.42 | Bounty | well that sucked Jade |
| 02:38.47 | Bounty | soon as i quit out of the game... BSOD |
| 02:38.49 | Bounty | >< |
| 02:39.05 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 02:39.16 | Shawn|Rawr | Haha.. |
| 02:39.17 | JademusSreg | Your computer is full of rage, Bounty. |
| 02:39.20 | Shawn|Rawr | Sixen! |
| 02:39.24 | Bounty | indeed |
| 02:41.24 | Shawn|Rawr | As it turns out, if you set a mineral field's amount and capacity to -1, it turns infinite |
| 02:41.37 | Shawn|Rawr | right now my mineral field is at -300 remaining |
| 02:41.46 | Shawn|Rawr | -350 |
| 02:41.49 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 02:41.54 | JademusSreg | That's pretty awesome. |
| 02:42.03 | JademusSreg | Now make it unselectable. |
| 02:42.07 | JademusSreg | gogogogo |
| 02:42.14 | Shawn|Rawr | Ya, but now sixen isnt paying attention |
| 02:42.17 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 02:42.23 | Shawn|Rawr | So I feel like I did it for no reason |
| 02:43.17 | Shawn|Rawr | unselectable activated! |
| 02:43.18 | Dogmai | im a dumbass |
| 02:43.24 | Dogmai | like a stupid dumbass |
| 02:43.30 | Shawn|Rawr | Yup |
| 02:43.40 | Dogmai | if i store the position variable inside the player record array |
| 02:43.45 | Dogmai | how am i meant to call it -_- |
| 02:43.49 | Dogmai | :P |
| 02:43.55 | Dogmai | the position variable is the one that references the array |
| 02:45.40 | JademusSreg | playerInput[i].stuff |
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| 02:47.04 | JademusSreg | Or wait, maybe your question wasn't about struct array syntax. |
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| 02:55.01 | Dogmai | no |
| 02:55.06 | Dogmai | the [i] is in the stuff |
| 02:55.09 | Dogmai | that is why im a dumbass |
| 02:55.12 | Dogmai | :P |
| 02:58.27 | JademusSreg | playerInput.stuff[i] =D |
| 02:58.52 | JademusSreg | Pardon my ignorance if I do not grasp the problem. |
| 02:59.57 | Dogmai | lol, its not a problem, im pointing out im a dumbass |
| 03:00.02 | Dogmai | i wanted to do this |
| 03:00.03 | JademusSreg | Oh |
| 03:00.11 | JademusSreg | In that case - wakka wakka wakka |
| 03:00.13 | Dogmai | player[i] . stuff |
| 03:00.19 | Dogmai | where [i] is in stuff |
| 03:00.35 | Dogmai | :P |
| 03:00.52 | Dogmai | its easy to solve, just have a single variable outside the records |
| 03:00.57 | Dogmai | that lists each players number |
| 03:04.05 | Shawn|Rawr | And don't stuff your [i]'s anymore |
| 03:04.09 | Shawn|Rawr | >.> |
| 03:05.00 | JManV | it hurts when i do that |
| 03:05.26 | Shawn|Rawr | Applying to jobs sucks |
| 03:05.31 | Shawn|Rawr | Someone should give me a job |
| 03:05.47 | JManV | how'd it go, dude? |
| 03:05.56 | Shawn|Rawr | Which part? |
| 03:05.59 | JManV | the gf |
| 03:06.10 | JademusSreg | D= |
| 03:06.18 | Shawn|Rawr | Oh. She broke up with me because I'm a broke loser with no job. |
| 03:06.20 | Shawn|Rawr | >.> |
| 03:06.25 | JManV | ah |
| 03:06.41 | JManV | well. she's a bitch :P |
| 03:06.53 | Shawn|Rawr | True dat, but she was my bitch |
| 03:06.57 | Shawn|Rawr | MINE |
| 03:07.00 | JManV | sorry i don;t know her. just tryin to help :P |
| 03:07.02 | Shawn|Rawr | >:D |
| 03:07.09 | Shawn|Rawr | lol |
| 03:07.15 | Shawn|Rawr | I need a frackin job |
| 03:07.18 | JademusSreg | That's not an entirely objective statement, but I appreciate the sentiment behind the words. =) |
| 03:07.31 | JManV | lots of girls go for the broke loset with no job... you'd be suprised |
| 03:08.17 | Shawn|Rawr | She was just like.. 'It's been a long time since you've had a job' |
| 03:08.38 | Shawn|Rawr | and i'm like.. "no shit?! You think I like not being able to afford food?: |
| 03:08.47 | Bounty | LOL Jade |
| 03:08.50 | Bounty | the wall collision |
| 03:08.52 | Bounty | is hillarious |
| 03:08.55 | Bounty | its like fucking pinball |
| 03:09.18 | JManV | shawn: you prolly would have grown apart even if you dig have a job |
| 03:09.25 | JManV | if its not one thing, it's another |
| 03:09.41 | JademusSreg | Bounty, that sounds hilarious, but you might need to reduce the bounce there, man. =) |
| 03:09.44 | JManV | you can't blame yourself for being yourself |
| 03:09.47 | Shawn|Rawr | She literally said that this is the only reason |
| 03:09.52 | JManV | just because one person doesn't approve |
| 03:09.55 | Bounty | i actually increase it Jademus |
| 03:10.02 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 03:10.03 | Bounty | but its only like pinball if u hit the wall at full speed |
| 03:10.07 | Bounty | otherwise ull be fine |
| 03:10.08 | JademusSreg | Well, I'll check it out in a bit. |
| 03:10.18 | JademusSreg | After you finish all the walls. |
| 03:10.22 | Bounty | yeah |
| 03:10.26 | Bounty | lots of SCV's to place |
| 03:10.27 | Bounty | =P |
| 03:10.55 | JManV | i once wanted to make bumper orbital commands |
| 03:11.11 | JManV | had trouble determining who hit whom, and how hard |
| 03:11.35 | JademusSreg | SCVs? |
| 03:11.41 | JademusSreg | You better not be using SCVs. |
| 03:11.44 | JademusSreg | !@!!!@!2 |
| 03:11.45 | JManV | how do scvs help? |
| 03:12.41 | JademusSreg | No model, use click helpers, the same thing the decals and omni lights use. |
| 03:12.54 | Bounty | jade |
| 03:13.00 | Bounty | im only using SCv's so i can see them in the editor |
| 03:13.03 | Bounty | u wont see them in game |
| 03:13.04 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:13.11 | JademusSreg | That's what click helpers are for though! |
| 03:13.18 | Bounty | wtf are click helpers |
| 03:13.23 | JManV | ikr |
| 03:13.36 | JademusSreg | Go look at a decal or omni light. |
| 03:13.37 | Shawn|Rawr | ^ |
| 03:13.41 | Bounty | besides |
| 03:13.42 | JademusSreg | And press V. |
| 03:13.43 | Bounty | its to late |
| 03:13.46 | Bounty | i alrdy placed thousands |
| 03:13.49 | Bounty | fuck that |
| 03:13.50 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:14.27 | JademusSreg | Even at opacity zero, they will still be rendered and fuck up for machine, so to speak. |
| 03:14.34 | JademusSreg | SCV gang bang on your GPU |
| 03:14.35 | Bounty | opacity? |
| 03:14.40 | Bounty | im not using opacity |
| 03:14.50 | Bounty | Hide Unit |
| 03:14.56 | Bounty | completely invisible and un rendered |
| 03:15.01 | Bounty | or i culd use burrowed |
| 03:15.02 | JademusSreg | True. |
| 03:15.09 | JademusSreg | Still, click helpers > scvs |
| 03:15.12 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 03:15.27 | JademusSreg | Anyway, in practice, all you're doing is allocating a bit more object data. |
| 03:15.32 | JademusSreg | Which probably won't be so bad. |
| 03:15.58 | Bounty | Win the Crowd had over 4,000 people in the audience |
| 03:16.04 | Bounty | and they werent invisible |
| 03:16.05 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:16.25 | JademusSreg | I've never played it. |
| 03:16.33 | Bounty | never finished it |
| 03:16.40 | Bounty | i hit the map file size limit 1/4 of the wya through |
| 03:18.16 | JManV | cuz you have that giant music file |
| 03:18.25 | Bounty | no |
| 03:18.27 | JManV | oh, dif game |
| 03:18.37 | Bounty | i shrink my music files thank u =P |
| 03:18.43 | Bounty | it was the models |
| 03:19.21 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 03:21.12 | JademusSreg | So I've got about 5 kinks to work out of my new Third Person script. |
| 03:21.52 | JademusSreg | Thanks to Deaod, of course, for finding a bug that the syntax checker didn't catch. |
| 03:22.51 | Shawn|Rawr | Still fighting with the cmaera? |
| 03:22.53 | Shawn|Rawr | camera* |
| 03:22.57 | JademusSreg | Only a bit. |
| 03:23.05 | Skittles | chimera ? |
| 03:23.51 | Skittles | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:37.53 | Bounty | ok |
| 03:37.57 | Bounty | i definently have to low this collision |
| 03:38.02 | Bounty | it just crashed my game |
| 03:38.14 | Bounty | i crahsed into a wall and a massive chain reaction occured lol |
| 03:39.49 | JademusSreg | Awesome. |
| 03:40.43 | Skittles | ih btwb akc |
| 03:40.46 | Skittles | e |
| 03:40.47 | Skittles | ek |
| 03:40.52 | Skittles | oh, btw, I'm back. |
| 03:40.54 | Skittles | =D |
| 03:41.18 | JademusSreg | Hihh! |
| 03:43.22 | Demonette | owh |
| 03:43.33 | Malachi | is there a native progress bar in the game |
| 03:43.35 | Demonette | I am still here oO |
| 03:43.36 | Malachi | a dialog progress bar |
| 03:43.50 | Demonette | but it's so late =/ |
| 03:44.41 | Shawn|Rawr | Malachi, Boss bar? |
| 03:44.47 | Malachi | Hmmm |
| 03:44.50 | Malachi | can that be ... less... |
| 03:44.51 | Malachi | big |
| 03:44.54 | Malachi | I want something small |
| 03:45.02 | Shawn|Rawr | Like the one in DS |
| 03:45.05 | Malachi | DS? |
| 03:45.06 | Shawn|Rawr | I could look |
| 03:45.13 | Shawn|Rawr | Desert Strike? |
| 03:45.19 | Shawn|Rawr | never played it? |
| 03:45.56 | Malachi | Not really. |
| 03:45.59 | Demonette | Uhm... |
| 03:46.09 | Malachi | I don't play many customs. Most of them disappoint me coming from WC3X |
| 03:46.27 | Demonette | why not just make a dialogitem that fits best to your most favorit kind of progress bars? |
| 03:46.35 | Shawn|Rawr | Next time I hear someone complain about maps not being beter than wc3, i'm gonna kill them |
| 03:46.35 | Malachi | What |
| 03:46.37 | Shawn|Rawr | >.> |
| 03:46.43 | Malachi | Shawn|Rawr, They are worse. |
| 03:46.46 | Malachi | Done and done. |
| 03:46.54 | Malachi | And it's absolutely true |
| 03:46.54 | Shawn|Rawr | How long has wc3 been out? |
| 03:46.58 | Malachi | I am excited for the projects to come |
| 03:46.58 | Shawn|Rawr | REALLY?? |
| 03:46.59 | Malachi | Oh, of course |
| 03:47.01 | Malachi | I know |
| 03:47.05 | Malachi | It's still a true statement |
| 03:47.07 | Malachi | That they are better |
| 03:47.10 | Malachi | not saying they won't GET better |
| 03:47.13 | Shawn|Rawr | Then make something better yourself |
| 03:47.14 | Malachi | I jkust don't play them yet because of that |
| 03:47.14 | Shawn|Rawr | >.> |
| 03:47.17 | Malachi | The things that are good require time |
| 03:47.24 | Malachi | and there hasn';t been enough time for them. |
| 03:47.29 | Malachi | So, I don't play customs (yet) |
| 03:47.29 | JManV | http://i55.tinypic.com/2gtc8l3.png |
| 03:47.32 | Malachi | Is what I should have said. |
| 03:47.32 | Shawn|Rawr | sry. my gf just broke up with me |
| 03:47.35 | Shawn|Rawr | :D |
| 03:47.41 | Malachi | It's okay little buddy. |
| 03:47.43 | JManV | was able to set dialog background transparency |
| 03:47.46 | Malachi | :p; |
| 03:47.48 | Malachi | Lol |
| 03:47.50 | Malachi | is that bokemon |
| 03:47.52 | JManV | actually two dialogs on top of each other |
| 03:47.52 | Malachi | Pokemon |
| 03:47.57 | JManV | yeah |
| 03:47.59 | Malachi | Are those pokemon houses. |
| 03:48.01 | Malachi | How cute. |
| 03:48.05 | JManV | indeed |
| 03:48.15 | JManV | working on a conversation dialog |
| 03:48.19 | Demonette | OMG pokemon comes to life XD |
| 03:48.23 | Malachi | shouldn't be two hard. |
| 03:48.24 | JManV | for what ppl say to you |
| 03:48.39 | Malachi | You mean just a scrolling, non-response kind of gialog? |
| 03:48.42 | Malachi | Dialog |
| 03:48.45 | JManV | yeah |
| 03:48.48 | Malachi | Where you just press a button to thumb through it |
| 03:48.53 | Malachi | Yeah, that shouldn't be too hard. |
| 03:48.56 | JManV | that's what i'm thinking |
| 03:49.06 | Malachi | Having trouble or have you just not started yet? :p |
| 03:49.06 | JManV | not sure how to tell what will fit or not tho |
| 03:49.29 | JManV | well, i was just showing off the semi-transparent dialog :P |
| 03:49.36 | JManV | the normal one was just too bold |
| 03:50.05 | JManV | but like i said, i ahven't yet figured out how i can tell what will fit or not |
| 03:50.31 | JManV | unless i feed it that info somehow |
| 03:51.36 | JManV | i can't do much with text fields, tho can i? |
| 03:51.49 | Demonette | fuck... i need a teamcolor layer again -.- |
| 03:51.53 | Demonette | this time on the spore canon |
| 03:53.03 | Demonette | okay guys... good night |
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| 03:53.32 | Shawn|Rawr | Mind giving this guy some insight Jman? |
| 03:53.34 | Shawn|Rawr | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/map-development/19416-pokemon-yellow-general-help/#p17 |
| 04:01.54 | JManV | done |
| 04:02.08 | JManV | he might not like it tho |
| 04:02.46 | Bounty | Hey Jademussreg |
| 04:02.48 | Bounty | you rdy? :) |
| 04:02.56 | Bounty | also, we should get more ppl for this test |
| 04:02.58 | Bounty | this is a big one lol |
| 04:03.28 | Bounty | anyone down? |
| 04:04.34 | Bounty | thought so |
| 04:06.26 | Shawn|Rawr | im in |
| 04:06.38 | Bounty | anyone else? |
| 04:06.56 | Bounty | Pm me for invite Shawn |
| 04:07.03 | Bounty | Bounty.820 |
| 04:08.22 | JademusSreg | Hi. |
| 04:08.24 | JademusSreg | Sure. |
| 04:08.36 | Bounty | its me you and shawn |
| 04:08.38 | Bounty | should be interesting |
| 04:08.39 | Bounty | lol |
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| 04:11.09 | Vexal | hardest captcha ever but i did it i win. |
| 04:15.41 | Skittles | lies |
| 04:15.47 | Skittles | I've had lambda's before! |
| 04:16.31 | CryptRat | It's nice when the editor behaves. x_x |
| 04:18.21 | Skittles | Just spank it when it doesn't |
| 04:21.45 | grim001 | ... |
| 04:30.49 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 04:32.32 | Shawn|Rawr | I hear rednecks spank their wives in the face when they dont listen |
| 04:41.48 | Bounty | Would anyone else find it Ironic if the Nuclear Plants in Japan blew up |
| 04:41.57 | Bounty | First we nuked them, then they nuke themselves |
| 04:49.42 | Shawn|Rawr | Go fix yer damn breaouts |
| 04:49.47 | Shawn|Rawr | breakouts* |
| 04:49.49 | Shawn|Rawr | :P |
| 04:49.55 | Shawn|Rawr | And trigger errors |
| 04:50.01 | Shawn|Rawr | and trigger lag |
| 04:55.16 | JademusSreg | Yah. |
| 04:56.20 | Bounty | im done for the night lol |
| 04:56.23 | Bounty | ill fix em 2morrow |
| 04:56.31 | Bounty | i think i got alot done today |
| 04:56.52 | Bounty | should be able to have a real race 2morrow |
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| 05:19.05 | JademusSreg | Hi there. |
| 05:19.39 | onetwo | hi |
| 05:19.53 | Bounty | onetwo... |
| 05:19.55 | Bounty | hmmm |
| 05:19.57 | Bounty | doesnt sound right |
| 05:20.00 | Bounty | its missing something |
| 05:20.46 | onetwo | mars bar |
| 05:21.42 | onetwo | afk |
| 05:24.18 | JademusSreg | I beginning to get bored of wasd and third person. Anyway, a new demo is up. |
| 05:24.29 | JademusSreg | Who wants to psi storm each other to death? |
| 05:24.32 | Demo | How is there a new of me up? |
| 05:24.36 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 05:24.58 | Demo | I'm preparing to test my map online for the first time |
| 05:25.07 | Demo | otherwise I would say no for a different reason |
| 05:25.36 | JademusSreg | There are still some hinky bits to the controls that I haven't quite figured out yet. |
| 05:25.52 | Demo | what is it that you are trying to do? |
| 05:26.35 | JademusSreg | Being able to aim and hit where one is aiming. It seems to have trouble at certain pitches. |
| 05:27.01 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 05:27.01 | Demo | alright lets go |
| 05:27.04 | Demo | Demo 520 |
| 05:27.38 | Demo | I apologize if the editor decides to open the trigger debugger |
| 05:31.09 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 05:31.34 | Demo | so does anyone know why my sc2 uses 4gb of memory? |
| 05:31.58 | Demo | just say my name when you need me again |
| 05:32.03 | JademusSreg | Graphics + the last map or two you played? |
| 05:32.20 | JademusSreg | I get the impression whatever dependendcies were loaded by the last map stay loaded. |
| 05:33.11 | Demo | must be, my editor runs slow as balls if sc2 is open |
| 05:35.45 | Demo | just lmk when you need me |
| 05:35.51 | Demo | I had to close sc2 |
| 05:36.02 | JademusSreg | I close it as well. |
| 05:36.32 | Demo | I normally don't have to, if I'm in a game |
| 05:36.43 | Demo | but for whatever reason the lobby requires more of my computer |
| 05:37.23 | JademusSreg | Same. |
| 05:37.32 | Demo | oh well |
| 05:37.35 | Demo | now that I have a job |
| 05:37.42 | JademusSreg | I despise the lobby for its tendency to turn all my fans on. |
| 05:37.52 | Demo | I'll add a ton of cores and 8more gb of memory |
| 05:38.05 | Demo | lol I noticed that too |
| 05:38.31 | JademusSreg | The lobby is more taxing of my system than the damn gameplay. |
| 05:38.45 | Demo | blizzard flaws |
| 05:38.51 | Demo | make the game look awesome |
| 05:38.55 | Demo | so they can lack in other places |
| 05:39.07 | JademusSreg | I can just imagine it is doing rendering calculations on my CPU or some stupid thing. |
| 05:39.59 | JademusSreg | Ray tracing the stars, what have you. |
| 05:40.28 | Demo | lol |
| 05:41.15 | Demo | Sigh, why do I do this |
| 05:41.16 | Demo | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:41.34 | Demo | thats a condition gone wild! |
| 05:41.57 | JademusSreg | I cannot read GUI. |
| 05:42.08 | Demo | PSH |
| 05:42.20 | Demo | I don't even know how to access non gui |
| 05:42.33 | JademusSreg | New -> Custom Script. |
| 05:42.35 | Demo | I wish I did, because copy pasting seems it would be easier |
| 05:42.49 | JademusSreg | Or extract files and open in notepad++. |
| 05:42.51 | Demo | How do you know which commands to use? |
| 05:43.19 | JademusSreg | Or save as SC2Components, which unravels the directory, and access them without an mpq editor. |
| 05:43.33 | JademusSreg | I keep the natives.galaxy file open in notepad++ for reference. |
| 05:43.38 | Demo | you get back to fixing/changing your map sir |
| 05:43.57 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 05:44.04 | JademusSreg | I'm doing that too. |
| 05:44.30 | JademusSreg | I see now it will be necessary to use a camera object later. |
| 05:44.37 | Demo | Aww I hate myself now ugh changing 1 value over and over and over for no real reason |
| 05:44.41 | JademusSreg | I'm just doing some crude workarounds in the meantime,. |
| 05:45.21 | Demo | I lied |
| 05:45.32 | Demo | Back when I did this 6 months ago I thought ahead and saved myself the time |
| 05:45.34 | Demo | awesome |
| 05:45.39 | JademusSreg | Yay. |
| 05:46.33 | Demo | Well the calculations I had to do, I did them in the most crude way ever |
| 05:46.33 | Demo | with a ton of triggers |
| 05:46.33 | Demo | and it caused a ton of lag |
| 05:46.38 | Demo | so I had to find a simpler way, but simpler meant more complicated for what I knew |
| 05:46.38 | JademusSreg | I'm using soft constants instead of reading from the object I know I will need to implement later. |
| 05:46.49 | Demo | lol |
| 05:47.39 | grim001 | got a totally bugged topsort implementation now |
| 05:48.01 | grim001 | once I debug it... script requirements will be working. |
| 05:48.06 | JademusSreg | For instance, I should use the camera object to get the height value, but instead I'm just using a constant for now so I can hurry up with getting the triangle to get the target point. |
| 05:48.15 | JademusSreg | Sweet. |
| 05:50.32 | Demo | holy mother of balls I don't want to do this |
| 05:52.14 | Vexal | hello. |
| 05:52.22 | Demo | Vexal I hate your TD |
| 05:52.28 | Demo | There |
| 05:52.33 | Demo | now that that's out of my system |
| 05:52.35 | Demo | hello. |
| 05:53.16 | CryptRat | Is it wrong to be giddy about a unit or map making measurable progress and things working out well? |
| 05:53.29 | JademusSreg | Not wrong at all. |
| 05:53.29 | JManV | that's not very constructive |
| 05:53.56 | Demo | I was just trying to get him to talk to me, but that has failed. |
| 05:54.59 | Vexal | you hate my TD? |
| 05:55.04 | Vexal | elaborate. |
| 05:55.11 | Vexal | demo |
| 05:55.16 | Demo | I hate it because it's sooo nice to play! |
| 05:55.44 | Demo | I liked it, but it has issues with the general battle.net community, people leave too often |
| 05:55.52 | Demo | and that makes it annoying to pug |
| 05:56.09 | Demo | and then if I get together with people, they blame me and quit early! |
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| 06:00.39 | Demo | Do you have an ETA on solo mode? |
| 06:02.01 | grim001 | Now I've got to refactor the code to use some actual data structures... it's going to go over the complexity threshold for being pleasant to work with soon if I don't |
| 06:02.20 | grim001 | it'll make the TopSort a lot easier to debug as well... |
| 06:03.18 | JademusSreg | Something to which I may look forward. =) |
| 06:04.49 | grim001 | I suspect this whole project may be less than 1000 lines of code when finished |
| 06:05.13 | grim001 | its about 250 right now with a bunch of spacing and comments |
| 06:11.13 | Abstruse | yoyoyooyoyoyo |
| 06:11.26 | JManV | so its not possible to put a camera object in a mod? |
| 06:14.32 | JademusSreg | CameraInfoDefault (); =D |
| 06:14.59 | JademusSreg | I mean, if a mod can contain triggers and scripts, then it permits one to create camera objects. |
| 06:15.19 | JManV | but not really encapsulated |
| 06:15.26 | Shawn|Rawr | Just throw the damn xml in there |
| 06:15.31 | Shawn|Rawr | done |
| 06:16.33 | JademusSreg | I was thwarted for the evening by my inability to commit formulas to memory. |
| 06:16.53 | JademusSreg | So I'm just chilling until I have an epiphany or something. |
| 06:18.24 | JademusSreg | Using height a and pitch at point ac, I need to determine distance of b. |
| 06:22.23 | grim001 | is there a native for distance to camera target point? |
| 06:26.06 | JademusSreg | Not to my knowledge. |
| 06:27.56 | JademusSreg | Camera objects are more flexible, with complete get and set functionality. |
| 06:28.06 | JademusSreg | Player cameras are limited, by comparison. |
| 06:28.30 | JademusSreg | I have all the values I need to calculate, but am merely too ignorant. =) |
| 06:29.18 | JademusSreg | You can get distance from a camera object, but not a camera. =P |
| 06:29.50 | grim001 | brb in a bit |
| 06:32.57 | Dogmai | JManV, do you know about records and gamelinks |
| 06:33.08 | JManV | sure |
| 06:33.26 | Dogmai | alright, so i am converting all my variables over to records |
| 06:34.15 | Dogmai | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:34.57 | JManV | ok |
| 06:35.06 | Bounty | Is there anyway to return the owner of the specified unit in this event |
| 06:35.07 | Bounty | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:35.20 | Dogmai | owner of triggering unit |
| 06:35.23 | Bounty | how do i return the player that owns Void Seeker |
| 06:35.25 | Bounty | nope |
| 06:35.30 | Bounty | Triggering unit is the unit that entered the distance |
| 06:35.56 | Dogmai | Variable - Set string = (Value of Buttons (String(items_item[shop_item_id[loop_shop][loop_page][loop_item]])) "Icon" for player Any Player) works fine as items_item is a variable |
| 06:36.19 | Dogmai | however, when i put that items_item inside the record 'item' i can no longer call it |
| 06:36.26 | Dogmai | even when using custom script, it returns an error |
| 06:37.02 | Dogmai | it doesn't list the record in the variable list |
| 06:37.07 | Dogmai | to select from |
| 06:37.32 | JManV | create a string variable and set it to String(item...) |
| 06:37.33 | JManV | ? |
| 06:37.46 | JManV | then use the variable in your catalog call |
| 06:38.08 | JManV | if that doesn't work, at least you can look at the string and see what it is |
| 06:38.24 | Dogmai | that doesnt work mate, cause the record doesnt show up in the variable list |
| 06:38.52 | JManV | oh |
| 06:39.05 | JManV | you have to switch it over at the top |
| 06:39.10 | JManV | to game link - item |
| 06:39.33 | Dogmai | gamelink - unit |
| 06:39.51 | Dogmai | oh |
| 06:40.06 | JManV | find it? |
| 06:40.12 | Dogmai | yeah, that still doesnt work |
| 06:40.31 | Dogmai | its strange as it should theoritically work fine, as all you are doing is moving the variable to inside a record |
| 06:40.32 | JManV | how so? |
| 06:40.40 | Dogmai | it simply does not show the record |
| 06:40.56 | JManV | in what? |
| 06:41.02 | JManV | convert game link to string? |
| 06:41.51 | Dogmai | yea |
| 06:41.56 | Dogmai | if i write the custom script in |
| 06:41.58 | Dogmai | item[shop.item_id[loop_shop][loop_page][loop_item]].item |
| 06:42.03 | JManV | oh wait yeah |
| 06:42.04 | Dogmai | which is correct, it errors |
| 06:42.14 | JManV | "item" is different from "game link - item" |
| 06:42.29 | JManV | wait |
| 06:42.32 | JManV | item is unit |
| 06:42.36 | Dogmai | items are units, it should be gamelink-unit |
| 06:42.45 | JManV | unit type of unit |
| 06:42.48 | Dogmai | which is what was working fine using variables outside the record |
| 06:43.19 | Dogmai | it cant be unit type of unit |
| 06:43.19 | JManV | you must have lost that part |
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| 06:43.24 | JManV | why not? |
| 06:43.29 | grim001 | figured out your trig problem yet? |
| 06:43.34 | Dogmai | because it is a gamelink variable of a unit that doesnt exist |
| 06:43.43 | grim001 | let me know if you want the answer :P |
| 06:43.43 | Dogmai | it has to be unit type |
| 06:43.56 | JManV | what? |
| 06:44.04 | JManV | you have a unit, and you need it's type |
| 06:44.14 | JManV | to covert game link to string |
| 06:44.24 | JManV | "unit" isn't a game link, it's a game object |
| 06:44.36 | JManV | unit type is a game link |
| 06:44.47 | Dogmai | indeed |
| 06:48.07 | Dogmai | alright do this mate |
| 06:48.16 | Bounty | grr wtf |
| 06:48.20 | Bounty | is there no way to return this value |
| 06:48.24 | Dogmai | make a record called 'itemtest' |
| 06:48.29 | Bounty | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:48.29 | JademusSreg | grim, no I have not. |
| 06:48.33 | Bounty | Jademus |
| 06:48.35 | Bounty | any idea? |
| 06:48.43 | Dogmai | with a variable inside it of unittype - unittest |
| 06:48.43 | Bounty | im trying to make the collision trigger smaller |
| 06:48.50 | grim001 | want the formula? |
| 06:49.02 | Bounty | i cant get the specified unit, only the unit who entered the distance |
| 06:49.05 | JademusSreg | Yes, please. |
| 06:49.18 | Dogmai | make a variable array of record itemtest [100] |
| 06:49.23 | Dogmai | then you wont be able to call the unittype |
| 06:49.31 | JademusSreg | I will be the first to admit I am always ignorant, frequently stupid. =) |
| 06:49.39 | JManV | ok, it is a unit type already |
| 06:49.44 | grim001 | Tan(Camera Angle) * Camera Height = length of the bottom side of the triangle. |
| 06:49.57 | Dogmai | yeah |
| 06:49.59 | Dogmai | but you cant call it |
| 06:50.03 | Dogmai | cause its inside a record |
| 06:50.05 | Dogmai | =\ |
| 06:50.10 | JademusSreg | Nice. Now to try it. |
| 06:50.16 | grim001 | I had to think about soh cah toa for a minute |
| 06:50.18 | grim001 | trig is boring |
| 06:50.19 | Dogmai | which is strange, as you can set those variables, but cannot call them |
| 06:50.27 | Bounty | Jademussreg, any ideas? |
| 06:51.12 | JademusSreg | Give me a moment. |
| 06:52.16 | JManV | you should be able to dogmai |
| 06:52.23 | JManV | if it's already a unit type, it should show up |
| 06:52.23 | Dogmai | no seriously, you cant |
| 06:52.37 | JManV | don't set it to game link - unit |
| 06:52.42 | JManV | set it to unit type |
| 06:52.51 | Dogmai | well, it doesnt matter as it gets set to unit type automaticlaly |
| 06:53.32 | Dogmai | you can call them through say, create unit type |
| 06:53.49 | Dogmai | but you cannot call them through catalog like you can with normal variables |
| 06:53.53 | JManV | it does matter |
| 06:54.00 | JManV | because the GUI is dumb |
| 06:54.09 | Dogmai | but yes, i've already done that mate ;) |
| 06:54.22 | JManV | you're missing something |
| 06:54.27 | JManV | because i've done it many times before |
| 06:54.33 | JManV | you're not doing something right |
| 06:55.21 | JManV | make a unit type variable as set it to your record value |
| 06:55.33 | JManV | then call convert game link to string |
| 06:55.46 | JManV | or just custom script: lv_variable |
| 06:57.46 | Dogmai | fuck! |
| 06:57.49 | Dogmai | i could kiss you =\ |
| 06:57.51 | Dogmai | fucken editor |
| 06:57.57 | Dogmai | wtf does it need a local variable to work |
| 06:58.03 | JManV | i dunno |
| 06:58.04 | Dogmai | thats the second time i've had to do something like that |
| 06:58.08 | Dogmai | thanks mate |
| 06:58.08 | JManV | its weird with conditions too |
| 06:58.15 | JManV | real weird with conditions |
| 06:58.16 | Dogmai | i didnt think of using a local variable |
| 06:58.18 | Dogmai | yea |
| 06:58.20 | Dogmai | ive noticed |
| 06:58.36 | JManV | unless the record value is a bool, you can't use it on the left side of a condition |
| 06:58.54 | Dogmai | ... |
| 06:58.58 | Dogmai | thats a bit ... stupid? |
| 06:59.03 | JManV | yeah |
| 06:59.10 | JManV | it's incredibly stupid |
| 06:59.23 | Dogmai | there is no logical reason for that ... |
| 06:59.28 | JManV | so you can either put a constant or a variable on the left side, then find your record on the right |
| 06:59.28 | Dogmai | why would they limit it to that |
| 06:59.34 | Dogmai | yea |
| 06:59.37 | JManV | or you can use a local variable |
| 06:59.41 | JManV | i have no idea |
| 06:59.51 | JManV | it seems the logic is just flawed slightly |
| 07:00.05 | JManV | you can always make the move to galaxy tho |
| 07:00.11 | CryptRat | What are all the factors that affect a map's loading time? |
| 07:00.11 | JManV | where those problems don't exist |
| 07:00.18 | JManV | heh |
| 07:00.22 | JManV | that's a loaded question |
| 07:00.39 | JManV | lots of stuff |
| 07:00.55 | CryptRat | well |
| 07:01.00 | JManV | it can be player/network dependant |
| 07:01.21 | JManV | but if its consistant, then its obviously doing a lot to load everything |
| 07:01.33 | JManV | preloading banks can take a while for large banks |
| 07:01.40 | JManV | especially over network |
| 07:01.43 | CryptRat | My map uses only a small area for actual play, so I remade it using 1/4th the size. Would that have any measurable effect on loading? |
| 07:01.48 | Bounty | Can i borrow some of you to stress test my map real fast, idk if bnet will be able to handle my collision system... |
| 07:02.02 | JManV | i think it tries to finish melee initialization triggers before doing anything, too |
| 07:02.09 | grim001 | Crypt, smaller map size would have a significant effect on load time most likely |
| 07:02.18 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 07:02.24 | Dogmai | ugh, i actually like GUI |
| 07:02.33 | JManV | i think less objects will have a greater impact tho |
| 07:02.36 | CryptRat | Even if the map the larger map has no terrain features? |
| 07:02.52 | Dogmai | most of your loading time is waiting for others |
| 07:02.52 | JademusSreg | File size of the textures increases exponentially with increase in map dimensions. |
| 07:02.52 | CryptRat | That was the portion of the map I cut off. |
| 07:03.18 | JManV | with 3rd person camera, it would have a huge impact |
| 07:03.22 | Dogmai | cryptrat |
| 07:03.25 | JManV | with normal camera, it can still make a difference |
| 07:03.30 | Dogmai | did you overlay textures on top of each other? |
| 07:03.41 | CryptRat | I... don't think so |
| 07:03.51 | Bounty | So i take that as a no guys? |
| 07:03.54 | JademusSreg | Oh man, 3rd person camera with even a standard draw range is very resource intensive. |
| 07:04.02 | Dogmai | yeah bounty |
| 07:04.04 | Dogmai | i can come |
| 07:04.05 | Dogmai | which server |
| 07:04.09 | Bounty | all you need is a draw distance of 75 |
| 07:04.10 | Demo | THATS WHAT SHE SAID |
| 07:04.13 | Bounty | make your own skybox |
| 07:04.16 | Bounty | like i did |
| 07:04.21 | Dogmai | -_- |
| 07:04.22 | Bounty | US Dogmai |
| 07:04.38 | Bounty | Bounty.820 |
| 07:04.42 | Bounty | need as many people as possible |
| 07:04.47 | Dogmai | yea i think i already got u |
| 07:04.49 | JademusSreg | I'm watching an EZTV episode of The Mentalist before I go to sleep. |
| 07:04.51 | Bounty | if what i think is going to happen happens... big problems lol |
| 07:05.18 | Bounty | can u come stress test real quick jade? |
| 07:05.30 | JademusSreg | How many players? |
| 07:05.32 | Bounty | prolly the most fun test yet, just ram into eachother |
| 07:05.40 | Bounty | 3 if you come, hopefully some more ppl from here will come |
| 07:05.42 | Bounty | would be nice |
| 07:05.46 | JademusSreg | Fine fine. |
| 07:06.28 | Bounty | JManV |
| 07:06.30 | Bounty | ? |
| 07:06.34 | JManV | busy, sorry |
| 07:06.42 | Dogmai | should i play in full screen mode |
| 07:06.47 | Bounty | it would literaly take 2 seconds |
| 07:06.50 | Bounty | doesnt matter dogmai |
| 07:06.54 | Bounty | this wont take long |
| 07:07.03 | Dogmai | thats what she said |
| 07:07.03 | Bounty | depending on how fast we get people... |
| 07:07.04 | Dogmai | lawl ... |
| 07:07.10 | Dogmai | mines funnier |
| 07:20.34 | onetwo | hi |
| 07:21.04 | JManV | yo |
| 07:21.43 | Skittles | hi |
| 07:22.06 | Skittles | lol jmanv |
| 07:22.14 | Skittles | I like how you're still logged on at work. Xd |
| 07:22.21 | JManV | heh |
| 07:22.25 | JManV | i'm cool like that |
| 07:22.43 | Skittles | mm |
| 07:24.09 | JManV|Work | kicks JManV in the nutz! |
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| 07:25.47 | JManV | that asshole! |
| 07:26.58 | CryptRat | So, I want to make a combat system in which if two units of the same strength start attacking each other at relatively the same time, they both kill each other. |
| 07:27.35 | CryptRat | I feel like that any way of going about implementing this will be very complicated, |
| 07:30.32 | JManV | so waiting for interaction during a melee initialization trigger.. not a good idea |
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| 07:44.46 | onetwo | lol was pretty funny today, i was showing my sis something on my phone, and my background was set to a charlie sheen pic |
| 07:45.01 | onetwo | and she only saw it for a sec and was like: 'is that a pic of dad on your phone?' |
| 07:45.10 | onetwo | me: 'lol wtf no thats sheen' |
| 07:45.18 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 07:45.45 | onetwo | they do kind of look similar i guess |
| 07:45.47 | onetwo | from a flash by |
| 07:46.28 | JademusSreg | Just say "yeah, my dad is Charlie Sheen. Don't tell anyone; I'm one of his illegitimate children." |
| 07:46.29 | JManV | your obsession with charlie sheen is unhealthy, i'm afraid |
| 07:46.40 | onetwo | that wasnt even my fault |
| 07:46.50 | onetwo | i wish jade |
| 07:46.50 | onetwo | i wish |
| 07:47.02 | onetwo_WINNING | tthere jman |
| 07:47.04 | onetwo_WINNING | much better |
| 07:47.13 | JManV | facepalm |
| 07:47.26 | Bounty | im callign it now Jade |
| 07:47.28 | Bounty | Page 1 |
| 07:47.30 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:47.30 | JademusSreg | Let people believe whatever silly things they like, especially if it is an advantage to you. |
| 07:47.31 | Bounty | =P |
| 07:47.57 | onetwo_WINNING | i have a map on page 1 now, i should change the map icon to sheen |
| 07:48.00 | onetwo_WINNING | thatd be hilarious |
| 07:48.03 | onetwo_WINNING | id rocket above SOTIS |
| 07:48.06 | JademusSreg | YES. |
| 07:48.16 | JademusSreg | And it would drive Rodrigo crazy. |
| 07:48.19 | *** join/#sc2mapster grim001_ (~chatzilla@c-69-246-170-145.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 07:48.20 | JademusSreg | So bonus. |
| 07:48.20 | onetwo_WINNING | or just put a virus in the bank file somehow |
| 07:48.22 | Bounty | make it say |
| 07:48.24 | onetwo_WINNING | infect everyone |
| 07:48.26 | onetwo_WINNING | LOl |
| 07:48.27 | Bounty | This Map is WINNING |
| 07:48.36 | onetwo_WINNING | LOL bounty |
| 07:48.36 | onetwo_WINNING | hahah |
| 07:48.46 | onetwo_WINNING | 'this map brought to you by WINNING' |
| 07:48.49 | Bounty | do it now |
| 07:48.51 | onetwo_WINNING | just like akon says convict at the start of every song |
| 07:48.52 | Bounty | now that u brought this up |
| 07:48.55 | Bounty | u cant not do it |
| 07:48.59 | onetwo_WINNING | im too lazy |
| 07:49.01 | onetwo_WINNING | to dds import |
| 07:49.43 | *** join/#sc2mapster TeddyTeddy (~Teddy@ppp-71-137-215-172.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net) |
| 07:50.08 | JademusSreg | I think I'll do a CatnMouse style game set on New Folsom. |
| 07:50.14 | onetwo_WINNING | go for it |
| 07:50.31 | JademusSreg | Well, the name of your map inspired me. |
| 07:50.38 | onetwo_WINNING | sheen winning? |
| 07:50.56 | JademusSreg | Prisoners. I saw that and was expecting those prisoners from the campaign. |
| 07:51.00 | onetwo_WINNING | oh |
| 07:51.04 | JademusSreg | I was disappoint. =( |
| 07:51.05 | onetwo_WINNING | yeah sounds cool! |
| 07:51.07 | onetwo_WINNING | make it |
| 07:51.10 | JademusSreg | Yeah! |
| 07:51.46 | JademusSreg | I've nearly got this third person wasd shit wrapped up. I'm ready for something new. |
| 07:52.55 | Bounty | woot |
| 07:52.58 | Bounty | guess what i fixed Jade |
| 07:53.05 | Bounty | the ability to bump other racers out of the track >< |
| 07:53.06 | JademusSreg | Trigger errors? |
| 07:53.10 | JademusSreg | Oh. |
| 07:53.13 | JademusSreg | Great! |
| 07:53.20 | JademusSreg | Also, fix those trigger errors. |
| 07:53.25 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:53.26 | onetwo_WINNING | can you slam dunk in your game bounty |
| 07:53.45 | Bounty | i can drive over a speed strip and slam dunk your face |
| 07:53.52 | onetwo_WINNING | sold |
| 07:53.52 | JademusSreg | Hahaha |
| 07:54.00 | JademusSreg | The map is fun, has potential. |
| 07:54.11 | Bounty | the only problem i see |
| 07:54.12 | Bounty | is trolls |
| 07:54.17 | Bounty | camping speed strips |
| 07:54.17 | JademusSreg | Definitely worth taking a look. I just hope Mister Bounty follows through. |
| 07:54.23 | Bounty | and just murdering people |
| 07:54.25 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:54.36 | Bounty | well there isnt much left to do Jade |
| 07:54.40 | Bounty | to get it playable and launchable |
| 07:54.57 | JademusSreg | Terrain still needs work. Buildings need to not vanish. |
| 07:55.08 | Bounty | oh shit |
| 07:55.10 | Bounty | i forgot about that |
| 07:55.12 | Bounty | ill fix that right now |
| 07:55.18 | Bounty | forgot to turn off their occulsion |
| 07:55.22 | onetwo_WINNING | just like you morally bankrupted america? |
| 07:55.27 | onetwo_WINNING | wheres that quote from |
| 07:55.35 | JademusSreg | Family Guy. |
| 07:55.37 | onetwo_WINNING | damn |
| 07:55.37 | onetwo_WINNING | fast |
| 07:55.55 | JademusSreg | First Season, too, I think. |
| 07:55.59 | onetwo_WINNING | the good days |
| 07:56.03 | JademusSreg | Because the animation was still sloppy. |
| 07:56.09 | onetwo_WINNING | which famous character gets mad and says 'HUH HOH' |
| 07:56.31 | onetwo_WINNING | lives in NY |
| 07:56.40 | onetwo_WINNING | tv show |
| 07:56.46 | JademusSreg | My Mom. Shit. I |
| 07:56.48 | Bounty | fuck |
| 07:56.50 | JademusSreg | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:56.53 | Bounty | the wife wants to get up at 11 |
| 07:56.54 | onetwo_WINNING | G_____ |
| 07:56.55 | JademusSreg | Damn. |
| 07:56.58 | Bounty | its 3:48 AM |
| 07:57.00 | Bounty | fuck it |
| 07:57.05 | onetwo_WINNING | Ge____ |
| 07:57.05 | Bounty | its to late, may as well ride it out |
| 07:57.07 | Bounty | >< |
| 07:57.14 | JademusSreg | Gertrude Stein? |
| 07:57.20 | onetwo_WINNING | Geo__ Co________ |
| 07:57.32 | onetwo_WINNING | come on |
| 07:57.33 | onetwo_WINNING | lol |
| 07:57.44 | onetwo_WINNING | Geor__ Cos____ |
| 07:57.50 | JademusSreg | Costarica |
| 07:57.59 | onetwo_WINNING | Georg_ Cost____ |
| 07:58.03 | JademusSreg | Stanza |
| 07:58.06 | onetwo_WINNING | ding |
| 07:58.27 | JademusSreg | I'm super dumb. =D |
| 07:58.39 | JademusSreg | No, really, answering correctly is boring. |
| 07:58.46 | onetwo_WINNING | which character got caught at Try n Save supermarket |
| 07:58.52 | Bounty | oh btw Jade |
| 07:58.57 | onetwo_WINNING | for stealing |
| 07:58.57 | Bounty | i knew i said there wouldnt be any other vehicles |
| 07:59.05 | JademusSreg | Kevin Bacon |
| 07:59.05 | Bounty | but i forgot i can just use the change model trigger lol |
| 07:59.08 | Bounty | so |
| 07:59.11 | onetwo_WINNING | 90';s cartoon |
| 07:59.12 | Bounty | im gonna do that :) |
| 07:59.21 | JademusSreg | Scooby Doo Kids |
| 07:59.21 | onetwo_WINNING | hint: mr plow |
| 07:59.35 | onetwo_WINNING | fail!! |
| 07:59.36 | JademusSreg | Homer, author of the Iliad |
| 08:00.42 | JademusSreg | Also, I am also surprised at how late it has become. |
| 08:00.48 | Bounty | thats what i just said |
| 08:00.50 | Bounty | im fucked |
| 08:00.56 | Bounty | The wife wants me to get up in like 4 hours |
| 08:01.06 | Bounty | so i decided to ride this out |
| 08:01.11 | JademusSreg | I know how that is. |
| 08:01.13 | Bounty | im better off staying up then going to sleep lol |
| 08:01.20 | JademusSreg | But I don't mind being sleep deprived. |
| 08:01.25 | onetwo_WINNING | your only option is to listen to bieber |
| 08:01.25 | Bounty | me either |
| 08:01.34 | Bounty | i got 2 more 5 hour shots left |
| 08:01.42 | Bounty | i got this |
| 08:01.43 | Bounty | >< |
| 08:01.48 | onetwo_WINNING | sleep is super important to me |
| 08:01.54 | onetwo_WINNING | i schedule my entire work and school |
| 08:01.56 | onetwo_WINNING | around not getting up before 10 |
| 08:01.58 | onetwo_WINNING | i work at night |
| 08:02.05 | Bounty | well |
| 08:02.08 | Bounty | when i did work |
| 08:02.13 | Bounty | it was overnight for 6 years |
| 08:02.20 | Bounty | so im having issues getting off this shcedule |
| 08:02.23 | onetwo_WINNING | lol |
| 08:02.23 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:02.30 | Bounty | 10PM to 7 AM |
| 08:02.31 | onetwo_WINNING | women seem to be obcessed with sleepign early |
| 08:02.41 | onetwo_WINNING | in general |
| 08:02.42 | Bounty | well she went to bed at like 1 i think |
| 08:02.45 | JademusSreg | I know how that is, too. |
| 08:02.47 | onetwo_WINNING | not bad |
| 08:02.51 | Bounty | she got to the last part of Dragon age Origins and went to bed |
| 08:02.54 | Bounty | which makes no sense |
| 08:02.56 | onetwo_WINNING | lol |
| 08:02.57 | Bounty | i would have finished it |
| 08:03.05 | JademusSreg | I also worked third shift for a while. |
| 08:03.13 | Bounty | Alistair dumped her ass when he became king LOL |
| 08:03.18 | Bounty | then he banged Morrigan |
| 08:03.25 | Bounty | and she had to watch |
| 08:03.29 | Bounty | lololol |
| 08:03.44 | Bounty | great game |
| 08:04.19 | JademusSreg | That seems weird. |
| 08:04.32 | Bounty | what does |
| 08:04.58 | JademusSreg | Weird like C3PO and R2D2 banging ports together in a lustful washing-machine like rapture or motion and sound. |
| 08:05.09 | JademusSreg | Just as life-like and flexible. |
| 08:05.19 | JademusSreg | *rapture of |
| 08:05.36 | Bounty | lol sounds like you've played Dragon Ag |
| 08:05.38 | Bounty | Age* |
| 08:05.53 | JademusSreg | I haven't played any of em. |
| 08:05.58 | Bounty | o |
| 08:06.03 | Bounty | nvm then >< |
| 08:07.30 | onetwo_WINNING | i think games will replace movies eventually |
| 08:07.33 | onetwo_WINNING | its a much more real experience |
| 08:07.42 | onetwo_WINNING | doign it yourself rather than watching matt damon run around |
| 08:07.53 | onetwo_WINNING | once it stops being associated with teen boys and nerds |
| 08:07.55 | onetwo_WINNING | it already is |
| 08:07.56 | Bounty | i really hope that happens |
| 08:08.01 | Bounty | nothing pisses me off more then actors |
| 08:08.09 | Bounty | not bc of their job |
| 08:08.15 | Bounty | but bc of how much they make |
| 08:08.21 | Bounty | it makes no fucking sense lol |
| 08:08.57 | onetwo_WINNING | actors and union workers make a lot of money |
| 08:09.06 | onetwo_WINNING | i was told that on sets, the electrictians/lights/.camera people |
| 08:09.09 | onetwo_WINNING | show up in bmw's |
| 08:09.17 | onetwo_WINNING | directors in shitty 1980 toyotas |
| 08:09.21 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:09.28 | Bounty | actors show up in Limos |
| 08:09.31 | onetwo_WINNING | lol |
| 08:09.44 | Bounty | the whole system is imba |
| 08:09.52 | Bounty | Pay should be based on effort and difficulty |
| 08:09.53 | onetwo_WINNING | its all about marketing and exposure |
| 08:09.56 | onetwo_WINNING | as you know with popularity system |
| 08:10.01 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:10.04 | onetwo_WINNING | ekcol renamed his map to DOTA in description |
| 08:10.06 | onetwo_WINNING | it helped |
| 08:10.46 | Bounty | i would kill to be able to make a living off doing this |
| 08:10.49 | onetwo_WINNING | same |
| 08:10.50 | JademusSreg | Haha, lame. |
| 08:10.51 | Bounty | maybe then i would finish all my projects |
| 08:10.53 | onetwo_WINNING | same |
| 08:11.03 | onetwo_WINNING | even if we could put ads |
| 08:11.05 | onetwo_WINNING | and not charge people |
| 08:11.10 | onetwo_WINNING | like coca cola machines in our maps |
| 08:11.10 | JademusSreg | I admit, it would be pretty neat. |
| 08:11.20 | onetwo_WINNING | i mean i could make A LOT of awesome maps |
| 08:11.24 | onetwo_WINNING | if i didnt have to work |
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| 08:11.40 | Bounty | i dont have to work and i still manage to never finish anything |
| 08:11.44 | Bounty | >< |
| 08:11.45 | onetwo_WINNING | Lol |
| 08:11.45 | JademusSreg | But I do this for the intellectual stimulation. Monetizing it would change how I feel about it, perhaps. |
| 08:11.56 | onetwo_WINNING | well i love map making more than doign real programming |
| 08:12.01 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 08:12.02 | onetwo_WINNING | itd be nice not to have to sacrifice |
| 08:12.02 | Bounty | I do it so i can show people i know my games and then show them the editor |
| 08:12.04 | onetwo_WINNING | and do what i love |
| 08:12.05 | Bounty | they think im a fucking genius |
| 08:12.07 | JademusSreg | Instant gratification. |
| 08:12.08 | Bounty | i love it |
| 08:12.22 | Bounty | I showed my brother my maps and hes like OMG SO COOL, then i showed him the editor |
| 08:12.28 | Bounty | he respects me now bc he swears im smart |
| 08:12.31 | JademusSreg | Write a script, add some data, watch shit dance to your twisted tune. |
| 08:12.32 | onetwo_WINNING | map making as a full time job isnt great :/ 40-50 grand salary |
| 08:12.33 | Bounty | >< |
| 08:12.35 | onetwo_WINNING | programming starts at 60k |
| 08:12.45 | Bounty | onetwo |
| 08:12.49 | Bounty | how do u get those numbers |
| 08:12.53 | Bounty | there is no map making job |
| 08:12.55 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:12.58 | onetwo_WINNING | 40-50grand was posted somewhere |
| 08:13.02 | onetwo_WINNING | on some job salary site |
| 08:13.07 | onetwo_WINNING | thats what i expected too |
| 08:13.15 | onetwo_WINNING | which is why marketplace is nice |
| 08:13.19 | Bounty | 40-50 grand is pretty damn good though |
| 08:13.20 | onetwo_WINNING | what if you make a hit like angry birds |
| 08:13.26 | JademusSreg | Time for me to sleep. |
| 08:13.31 | onetwo_WINNING | an iphone app at number 1 makes $25,000 a day |
| 08:13.45 | Bounty | yeah but that doesnt go all to the dev |
| 08:13.48 | onetwo_WINNING | true |
| 08:13.54 | Bounty | still |
| 08:14.01 | onetwo_WINNING | granted sc2 is a smaller world |
| 08:14.04 | Bounty | even if only 1k went to u a day |
| 08:14.04 | onetwo_WINNING | but still |
| 08:14.07 | onetwo_WINNING | yeah |
| 08:14.21 | Bounty | i worked at my job for 6 years |
| 08:14.22 | Bounty | 30k |
| 08:14.25 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:14.30 | JademusSreg | Until the tools are improved, and modding receives more support from Blizzard, the marketplace is a pipe dream. |
| 08:14.35 | Bounty | so 40k sounds pretty damn good to me |
| 08:14.35 | onetwo_WINNING | :( |
| 08:14.49 | onetwo_WINNING | well |
| 08:14.49 | JademusSreg | Sad but true. =( |
| 08:14.52 | onetwo_WINNING | i love mapping |
| 08:14.58 | onetwo_WINNING | but my ultimate goal in life is to drive the james bond car |
| 08:15.02 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 08:15.04 | onetwo_WINNING | after that i can relax |
| 08:15.04 | JademusSreg | Later. |
| 08:15.19 | Bounty | i know im fucked in life |
| 08:15.21 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:15.26 | Bounty | most people drive by mansions and go... someday |
| 08:15.31 | onetwo_WINNING | if youre here than youre pretty well set |
| 08:15.32 | Bounty | i laugh |
| 08:15.37 | Bounty | like YEAH OK |
| 08:15.41 | Bounty | NEVAAR |
| 08:15.42 | onetwo_WINNING | i dont care about house |
| 08:15.44 | onetwo_WINNING | i just want aston |
| 08:15.45 | onetwo_WINNING | thats it |
| 08:15.46 | onetwo_WINNING | lol |
| 08:15.49 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:15.59 | Bounty | i just want the house |
| 08:16.03 | onetwo_WINNING | trade? |
| 08:16.09 | Bounty | no aston |
| 08:16.11 | onetwo_WINNING | damn |
| 08:16.12 | onetwo_WINNING | LOL |
| 08:16.18 | Bounty | u got house? |
| 08:16.20 | Bounty | =P |
| 08:16.26 | onetwo_WINNING | i can push my family out |
| 08:16.40 | Bounty | u should see some of the houses here |
| 08:16.44 | Bounty | its insane |
| 08:16.49 | Bounty | it makes me sick lol |
| 08:16.59 | onetwo_WINNING | lol |
| 08:17.09 | Bounty | like, one house and their entire backyard is the size of a golf course |
| 08:17.11 | onetwo_WINNING | i love roman architecture style |
| 08:17.13 | Bounty | and there are like 8 of them |
| 08:17.16 | onetwo_WINNING | i wish more buildings would be buil with love |
| 08:17.17 | Bounty | in one developement |
| 08:17.17 | onetwo_WINNING | and not just money |
| 08:17.21 | Bounty | the entire fuckign developement |
| 08:17.22 | Bounty | is 8 houses |
| 08:17.28 | onetwo_WINNING | 70's concrete buildigns are so ugly |
| 08:17.55 | Bounty | btw |
| 08:18.02 | Bounty | [04:07] <+onetwo_WINNING> if youre here than youre pretty well set |
| 08:18.05 | Bounty | you say that alot |
| 08:18.07 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:18.30 | Bounty | and i disagree >< im pretty screwed atm unless blizz hires me which thye wont bc i use triggers LOL |
| 08:18.44 | onetwo_WINNING | its true |
| 08:18.48 | onetwo_WINNING | most of us are gonna be loaded |
| 08:18.53 | Bounty | how |
| 08:18.59 | onetwo_WINNING | cause you have programming concepts |
| 08:19.13 | onetwo_WINNING | have a portfolio |
| 08:19.16 | Bounty | i have Starcraft 2 Editor concepts |
| 08:19.18 | onetwo_WINNING | depends if you want to |
| 08:19.20 | onetwo_WINNING | take it farther |
| 08:19.25 | onetwo_WINNING | most mappers are in comp sci |
| 08:19.27 | onetwo_WINNING | or are programmers |
| 08:19.36 | onetwo_WINNING | maybe youre a rarity |
| 08:19.39 | onetwo_WINNING | but dont downplay the skills |
| 08:19.40 | onetwo_WINNING | :D |
| 08:19.43 | Bounty | i just picked it up lol |
| 08:20.42 | Bounty | plus blizz wont hire me not only bc i only use triggers but bc im banned from their forums |
| 08:20.55 | Bounty | thats not good |
| 08:20.57 | Bounty | >< |
| 08:21.43 | onetwo_WINNING | LOL |
| 08:21.45 | onetwo_WINNING | w/e they dont have to know |
| 08:22.02 | Bounty | they will see it as soon as they see the map that made them want to contact me |
| 08:22.13 | Bounty | "You guys see that map some guy bounty made"? |
| 08:22.29 | Bounty | *Whisper" uh according to our records we banned that guy from our forums" |
| 08:22.41 | Bounty | "Oh, nevermind.... also he did it with triggers to so hes a fag" |
| 08:25.10 | onetwo_WINNING | lol what |
| 08:25.12 | onetwo_WINNING | triggers are great |
| 08:27.31 | JManV | sure, if you like referring to game world objects and text |
| 08:27.46 | JManV | but who would want to do something like that? :P |
| 08:28.12 | onetwo_WINNING | :D |
| 08:28.36 | JManV | if just had a complicated if/then/else statement, and i was like "f it, i'll code it in galaxy" |
| 08:28.46 | JManV | then i realize that the function returned "text" |
| 08:28.53 | JManV | and made it in GU |
| 08:28.54 | JManV | I |
| 08:29.34 | onetwo_WINNING | lol |
| 08:29.36 | JManV | damn your game, btw |
| 08:29.38 | onetwo_WINNING | ? |
| 08:29.48 | JManV | its so addictively impossible |
| 08:29.52 | onetwo_WINNING | lol |
| 08:29.57 | onetwo_WINNING | well i have people in the chat channel |
| 08:29.59 | onetwo_WINNING | saying its too easy |
| 08:30.02 | onetwo_WINNING | ugh |
| 08:30.04 | onetwo_WINNING | hard to balance |
| 08:30.05 | onetwo_WINNING | lol |
| 08:30.10 | onetwo_WINNING | 90% say its hard though |
| 08:30.12 | onetwo_WINNING | which i want to keep |
| 08:30.14 | onetwo_WINNING | it that way |
| 08:30.18 | JManV | ppl with 20k kills? |
| 08:30.22 | onetwo_WINNING | probably |
| 08:30.53 | onetwo_WINNING | i did something REALLY funny with bank protection on it |
| 08:30.57 | onetwo_WINNING | ill tell some day |
| 08:30.58 | onetwo_WINNING | when the map dies |
| 08:31.10 | onetwo_WINNING | it may or may not prevent 'tampering' |
| 08:31.51 | onetwo_WINNING | what does Universal flag mean on a button? |
| 08:34.46 | onetwo_WINNING | nowhere in forums has anyone asked |
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| 08:45.01 | Demo | I need... |
| 08:45.03 | Demo | one person |
| 08:45.11 | Demo | to test my sex |
| 08:46.06 | Demo | I mean map |
| 08:46.14 | Demo | JademusSreg ! |
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| 08:49.45 | onetwo_WINNING | lol shake weight ad on tv |
| 08:49.51 | onetwo_WINNING | how did no one see how sexual it was |
| 08:49.54 | onetwo_WINNING | all the 'scientists |
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| 09:00.10 | onetwo_WINNING | YES I WAS RIGHT |
| 09:00.16 | onetwo_WINNING | i guessed anderson cooper would go to quake zone |
| 09:00.19 | onetwo_WINNING | and he will be |
| 09:00.25 | onetwo_WINNING | hopefully he wont get punched in the head again |
| 09:05.46 | Skittles | enjoy talking to your self? |
| 09:05.58 | Skittles | :p |
| 09:06.40 | onetwo_WINNING | useless irc |
| 09:06.42 | onetwo_WINNING | hey Sixen |
| 09:06.44 | onetwo_WINNING | funny thing |
| 09:06.47 | Skittles | hihi |
| 09:06.47 | onetwo_WINNING | if you search on sc2mapster |
| 09:06.50 | onetwo_WINNING | you can see stuff like this |
| 09:06.59 | onetwo_WINNING | General > Backstage > Sticky: News Content [Page: 1 2 3 6 9 12 15 17 18 19] by vjeux on 29 Apr 2010 34 hours ago by Sixen Go 377 (169) 2533 |
| 09:07.05 | onetwo_WINNING | cant click on it |
| 09:07.07 | onetwo_WINNING | it says error |
| 09:07.12 | onetwo_WINNING | but its funny in search we can find admin post |
| 09:07.16 | Skittles | lol |
| 09:07.20 | Skittles | btw onetwo |
| 09:07.24 | Sixen | ;o |
| 09:07.28 | onetwo_WINNING | right now im trying to figure out how to make a green cursor thing on units |
| 09:07.28 | Skittles | it's hard because |
| 09:07.29 | onetwo_WINNING | like in campaigns |
| 09:07.44 | Skittles | at one point you get like a fatty and abberation x2 |
| 09:07.50 | Skittles | almost at the same time |
| 09:07.57 | Skittles | can't kill it all fast enough |
| 09:08.14 | Skittles | and when you are managing to hold, banelings come from behind and gank the last miners alive. XD |
| 09:08.35 | onetwo_WINNING | lol |
| 09:08.43 | Skittles | btw 500 mins = 1 miner less than 500 mins = 5 miners + command center |
| 09:09.04 | Skittles | and that banel thing is no joke, has happened 2-3 times to me. :p |
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| 09:15.01 | Demo | Who wants to play test demos map!? |
| 09:15.05 | JManV | w00t |
| 09:15.08 | JManV | i actually won |
| 09:15.15 | onetwo_WINNING | are you winning? |
| 09:15.17 | onetwo_WINNING | lol at what |
| 09:15.21 | JManV | death haven |
| 09:15.23 | onetwo_WINNING | oh |
| 09:15.25 | onetwo_WINNING | high rank playerS? |
| 09:15.38 | JManV | there was one with 15k |
| 09:15.42 | JManV | i just got 2k |
| 09:16.09 | JManV | making me boost your map... *grumble* |
| 09:16.20 | Demo | PSh you think that's bad |
| 09:16.33 | onetwo_WINNING | im about to release a patch, if average rank is 6/7/8 itll be 5% easier, if average rank is 4 itll be 5% harder, 5 itll be 10% harder, 6 itll be 15% harder, 7 20% harder, 8 24% harder |
| 09:16.46 | onetwo_WINNING | err 4/3/2/1 |
| 09:16.50 | Demo | yar |
| 09:17.58 | Demo | Who wants to "demo" demo's map Hmmm!? |
| 09:19.14 | Demo | You guys are no fun! |
| 09:21.15 | Abstruse | winning?> |
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| 09:21.42 | QueenGambit | hello everyone |
| 09:22.05 | Abstruse | hey lover |
| 09:22.29 | Demo | Psh, no one can beat me at my own map |
| 09:22.34 | Demo | I'm just that good |
| 09:22.48 | onetwo_WINNING | hi |
| 09:22.55 | Demo | hi |
| 09:23.29 | QueenGambit | hi onetwo |
| 09:24.11 | Demo | Which of you would love to test a turn based strategy game?! |
| 09:24.20 | QueenGambit | me me me |
| 09:24.26 | Demo | Yay! |
| 09:24.47 | Demo | What would be the quickest way to add you? |
| 09:24.48 | Skittles | lol |
| 09:24.57 | Demo | to the game |
| 09:25.33 | Demo | I am in channel Demo :) |
| 09:25.40 | Skittles | jmanv are u still trying to play/ |
| 09:25.45 | QueenGambit | at channel sc2mapster |
| 09:26.55 | Bibendus | is now away - Reason : Auto-Away after 30 minutes |
| 09:30.18 | JManV | no im done for now |
| 09:31.53 | Skittles | meh |
| 09:31.56 | Skittles | party pooper |
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| 10:51.36 | grim001 | I found out that AutoIt is capable of using DLL calls |
| 10:51.53 | grim001 | which means I can take advantage of nearly C++ speed in many areas of the code with the right plugins |
| 11:05.28 | Demo | Tired Demo, time to sing, makes me happy |
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| 11:05.55 | Abstruse | sleep tight, don't let the rapist bite |
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| 11:06.51 | Demo | .Psh |
| 11:06.59 | Demo | So enchantment |
| 11:07.04 | Demo | how would that work? |
| 11:07.11 | Demo | like +armor |
| 11:07.15 | Demo | +block chance |
| 11:07.32 | Demo | for turtle |
| 11:16.29 | Demo | Do any of you know decent graphics artists that will do a minor amount of work for just credit? |
| 11:21.42 | Shadoooow | Define minor. And i have never heard of any artist that takes money to create models for SC2, I would never pay one either. |
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| 11:28.19 | Tobin_ | giving me bullshit captcha codes again. |
| 11:28.23 | Demo | I need a UI for my characters |
| 11:28.26 | Demo | er unit |
| 11:28.32 | Demo | just a health bar |
| 11:28.39 | Demo | and 2 custom bars |
| 11:28.48 | Demo | recover and status |
| 11:31.20 | Demo | Better yet, where could I "request" for someone to make me art |
| 11:32.05 | Tobin_ | there are a few people who take requests on the forums |
| 11:32.07 | Shadoooow | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/artist-tavern/requests/ |
| 11:32.45 | Demo | I appreciate it guys/girls thanks :) |
| 11:32.47 | Tobin_ | shadow beat me to the link... argh |
| 11:33.01 | Shadoooow | I'm faster then light. |
| 11:34.05 | Tobin_ | Anyone in NA want to help me test some balance changes to my map? |
| 11:34.56 | QueenGambit | sure |
| 11:35.04 | QueenGambit | c u in channel: sc2mapster |
| 11:35.08 | Tobin_ | alright, thanks |
| 11:35.35 | Tobin_ | 1 sec, just gonna re-upload to make sure its the newest version. |
| 11:39.40 | Tobin_ | Finished, sent you an invite Queen. |
| 11:41.56 | Demo | hmm |
| 11:42.00 | Demo | what to name my map... |
| 11:57.26 | Shadoooow | Sixen, you should update the Diablo Model Request post on the front page with links to art regarding the classes. I'm sure modellers would be more interested if they could see the kick ass conceprt art/art rather then googling themself. |
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| 12:14.48 | grim001 | I'm still waiting to see a SC2 map that isn't derivative of one of the traditional WC3 map genres (TD, AoS/MOBA, Parasite, etc) |
| 12:15.16 | Skizot | how about FUCKING CONTRA. |
| 12:15.22 | Tobin_ | K QueenGambit, Finished changes. |
| 12:15.28 | Tobin_ | As long as its super contra |
| 12:15.30 | Tobin_ | sickest game ever |
| 12:15.34 | Skizot | fuck yeah |
| 12:15.35 | grim001 | oh, and also isn't a lame attempt at a shooter or survival horror type game |
| 12:15.37 | Skizot | well |
| 12:15.48 | Skizot | once i can get the top down view to work RIGHT. |
| 12:15.54 | grim001 | I saw more creative ideas for maps back when SC1 was out |
| 12:16.12 | Skizot | a shooter? |
| 12:16.18 | Skizot | as in FPS? |
| 12:16.34 | QueenGambit | that metal slug map was great except its lag |
| 12:16.52 | Skizot | meh |
| 12:16.59 | Skizot | mines better coded. |
| 12:17.03 | Skizot | shitty story too! |
| 12:17.44 | Skizot | and until i can figure a way to make it you you don't walk off cliffs in top down mode... it's not getting released :P |
| 12:32.20 | Tobin_ | QueenGambit, actually it has 2v2 implemented also |
| 12:32.30 | QueenGambit | oh okay |
| 12:32.31 | Tobin_ | Were you saying i should increase that? |
| 12:33.00 | QueenGambit | oh i was saying it would be fun for it to be FFA 4 players |
| 12:33.08 | QueenGambit | or 2v2 is good |
| 12:33.48 | Tobin_ | Alright, was just wondering. Thanks again. |
| 12:33.50 | QueenGambit | maybe allow players to choose which paths |
| 12:33.53 | QueenGambit | mkay |
| 12:33.55 | QueenGambit | goodnight |
| 12:33.58 | Tobin_ | Night |
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| 12:42.04 | Obatztrara | sup |
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| 12:52.40 | egod | Where can i find this command triggers in the Editor Inventory Item Count |
| 12:54.53 | Obatztrara | integer - unit |
| 12:55.07 | egod | omg i found it, thx |
| 12:55.10 | Obatztrara | Number of Items or something |
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| 13:02.04 | egod | wtf is a ((inventory index)) |
| 13:03.31 | Hati | properly an unsigned integer |
| 13:04.27 | egod | weird |
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| 13:09.09 | egod | you cant select the right container with the fonction (( Count iventory item )) .... |
| 13:09.16 | egod | love blizzard |
| 13:09.56 | Obatztrara | selecting containers is a pain in the ass |
| 13:10.28 | Obatztrara | I kinda decided to wait until they release blizz dota before i try it any more... |
| 13:13.33 | A1win | are there any RPG-like maps where you upgrade a ship or a vehicle with all kinds of addons and such rather than developing a character? |
| 13:15.24 | Obatztrara | VoidCraft? |
| 13:17.27 | Tobin- | Hmm, would it be possible to request a username change on the forums? (I realize i could just create a new account but I'd prefer to keep my posts) |
| 13:17.29 | A1win | hmm... that might be a bit different than what I was thinking of, but haven't tried it so not sure how different |
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| 13:18.37 | A1win | something like a mech rather than a huge ship, so that it can still act like a "character", just has different kinds of stats and other features |
| 13:19.05 | A1win | but well I'll check voidcraft out more closely |
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| 13:19.57 | A1win | (just want to see what's done so I can "rip off" the good ideas and avoid coming up with a too similar concept myself) |
| 13:20.28 | Tobin- | Haha, thats the way A1 |
| 13:20.49 | A1win | :P |
| 13:21.38 | A1win | well the rip off part was more of a joke, I don't just take things from others but maybe get some inspiration rather |
| 13:22.11 | Obatztrara | right. ;) |
| 13:22.36 | A1win | that's what they all say |
| 13:24.08 | A1win | is voidcraft a constant battle between the ships? |
| 13:25.49 | Obatztrara | Havent played it ..but I guess yes |
| 13:25.54 | Obatztrara | from the description |
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| 13:29.06 | A1win | anyway my idea was that each player can control one ship/vehicle/mech at a time, explore the terrain, kill enemies, and loot items which can then be used to upgrade the vehicle (guns, armor, shields, speed, maybe fuel related stuff), then maybe have a crew who can do different things like a scientist could collect data from battles and slowly "level up" your weapons system by configuring it, someone to control the guns, a mechanic to repair damage ... |
| 13:29.12 | A1win | ... etc. and you could hire better crew somehow |
| 13:29.56 | A1win | then let the player disassemble the vehicle at some bay, choose a different vehicle and attach the parts from the old one to it |
| 13:30.47 | Obatztrara | are you sure you can make that in one day? because who knows whats it going to be tomorrow :P |
| 13:30.54 | A1win | ;3 |
| 13:30.58 | Obatztrara | kidding...sounds like a nice idea |
| 13:31.50 | Obatztrara | any competition? |
| 13:31.58 | Obatztrara | or just running around upgrading mechs? |
| 13:32.58 | A1win | some kind of co-op probably |
| 13:33.52 | A1win | I'm fairly confident that if I can get the game "engine" done, I'll be more willing to spend time on developing new content every now and then |
| 13:34.27 | A1win | so maybe progressive gameplay |
| 13:34.43 | Obatztrara | alright |
| 13:35.54 | A1win | so let's see... I need an item system, a "character sheet" with all the different upgrades showing on it... or could that be done with the default command card clearly enough |
| 13:36.53 | A1win | mmh better do a custom gui for it, since the crew will need one too, can have those as different tabs of the gui |
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| 13:46.19 | A1win | mmh wondering what's the use of switching from one vehicle type to another if they all have modular parts anyway |
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| 13:47.40 | Obatztrara | actually It could be more fun to stick to one vehicle and have it evolve somehow |
| 13:47.53 | A1win | mm... |
| 13:48.01 | Obatztrara | evolve is not the right word |
| 13:48.37 | Obatztrara | grow..but in terms of a machine...like you said, upgrades, more guns, bigger wheels ..that kind of stuff..maybe even pain parts of it |
| 13:49.44 | A1win | then the problem becomes to actually make the vehicle look different |
| 13:49.57 | A1win | there's the 2 different versions of most terran vehicles with the merc models |
| 13:50.00 | A1win | but.. that's about it |
| 13:50.18 | Obatztrara | =/ |
| 13:50.34 | Obatztrara | are you good with model attaching? |
| 13:50.35 | Tobin- | Yeah, sounds like a lot of attachment, actor, & model work. |
| 13:50.40 | Obatztrara | yep |
| 13:50.45 | A1win | haven't done any yet :P |
| 13:50.50 | Obatztrara | hehe |
| 13:50.58 | Obatztrara | well what better time to pick it up then now..? ;) |
| 13:51.03 | A1win | hehe |
| 13:51.08 | Obatztrara | its an interesting area I guess..havent started myself yet either |
| 13:51.11 | A1win | yeah well, I can just save that for later |
| 13:51.59 | Tobin- | if you do the hard part first, then your more likely to finish the map. In my opinion (case) at least. |
| 13:52.04 | A1win | mm |
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| 13:52.19 | A1win | and if I get it properly playable before getting bored of it :P |
| 13:52.24 | Tobin- | haha |
| 13:52.28 | Obatztrara | thats the problem :D |
| 13:52.33 | A1win | and don't get bored of testing it before finishing it |
| 13:53.02 | Tobin- | I've always wondered if game developers actually play their maps after years of development and testing. |
| 13:53.08 | A1win | hehe |
| 13:53.18 | Tobin- | their games* |
| 13:53.47 | A1win | golliath would seem like the model of choice for this, but it also feels like a huge cliché :P |
| 13:53.48 | Vexal | Tobin- : is that offer to test still up |
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| 13:53.54 | Tobin- | Sure is |
| 13:54.00 | Tobin- | Ill sign in |
| 13:55.47 | Obatztrara | esting what in which region? :) |
| 13:55.53 | Obatztrara | testing* |
| 13:56.22 | lomar | hi i am looking for some more guys to test a map at GMT+1 on EU, if you are up for it add lomar.130 |
| 13:56.48 | Obatztrara | what kind of map? |
| 13:57.08 | lomar | hm 5v5 |
| 13:57.37 | lomar | with heroes, units, buildings etc. |
| 13:57.41 | A1win | hmm can also have abilities that load/unload a bunch of marines or something o: then goliath wouldn't seem the best choice anymore... |
| 13:58.06 | A1win | siege tank is clumsy, everything else is too small :P |
| 13:59.50 | Obatztrara | well...you could start with the siege tank to have the unload stuff..then swap the model and change the movement speed... |
| 14:00.21 | A1win | swap the model? |
| 14:00.43 | Obatztrara | the actor ;o |
| 14:00.50 | A1win | but to what? :P |
| 14:00.58 | A1win | I mean I'm just looking at models at the moment |
| 14:01.03 | Obatztrara | dunno..maybe the goliath mercenary |
| 14:01.17 | A1win | something that'd look like a vehicle that has guns and can transport people |
| 14:01.21 | Obatztrara | actually a custom model would be good |
| 14:01.30 | A1win | yeah... |
| 14:03.14 | A1win | well I suppose I'll just go with the merc goliath for a start |
| 14:04.43 | A1win | haha the ARES hero unit |
| 14:05.05 | A1win | looks a bit too fat |
| 14:06.46 | A1win | a ship would be otherwise better but they can fly over obstacles <.< |
| 14:07.02 | egod | blizzard have some weird programmer, when you grab a item, the item go in slot 1-5-9 instant of 1-2-3 ....XD |
| 14:12.04 | Hati | whats weird about it? |
| 14:13.00 | Vexal | tobin- |
| 14:13.03 | Vexal | i fixed it. |
| 14:13.05 | Vexal | that test didn't count. |
| 14:13.13 | Tobin- | haha ok |
| 14:13.16 | egod | its just dump |
| 14:13.22 | Clord | A1win.... I remember when I was noob mapper ^^ |
| 14:13.29 | Clord | lol |
| 14:13.32 | Clord | carry on >_> |
| 14:13.36 | A1win | O.o |
| 14:13.40 | A1win | any ideas what would be the best way to implement picking up items? the actual inventory I suppose I create as dialogs & arrays of records, but would the built-in pickup system work for that? |
| 14:13.54 | Clord | back then.... quite some years back |
| 14:14.03 | Clord | I got no real clue of triggers yet |
| 14:14.04 | Clord | ^^ |
| 14:14.07 | Hati | ~purl |
| 14:14.07 | purl | hmm... purl is a far prettier chatbot than you. |
| 14:14.10 | egod | well |
| 14:14.12 | Clord | yet my map attempts rocked lol |
| 14:14.29 | egod | i recommand you to use your own inventory UI, but its long to make |
| 14:14.44 | egod | if you want a fast way, use blizzard inv |
| 14:14.56 | A1win | I was talking about picking the items up |
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| 14:15.14 | egod | click it and grab it? |
| 14:15.20 | egod | what wong with that |
| 14:15.33 | Clord | could do quite something odd |
| 14:15.38 | Clord | adventure game inside SCII as map |
| 14:15.39 | Clord | XD |
| 14:15.45 | Clord | yeah and I mean adventure game lol |
| 14:15.51 | Clord | no attack this with damage! |
| 14:15.53 | Clord | ^^ |
| 14:16.07 | A1win | like point & click adventure? :P |
| 14:16.19 | Clord | hehe something like sam and max sesasons... |
| 14:16.20 | Clord | ^^ |
| 14:16.23 | A1win | mm |
| 14:16.29 | egod | Warcraft Adventure? |
| 14:16.31 | A1win | I made a quick interaction system once |
| 14:16.32 | Obatztrara | I would play it ;D |
| 14:16.45 | Clord | Warcraft AdventureS |
| 14:16.49 | Clord | gotta leave room for sequels |
| 14:16.51 | Clord | ^^ |
| 14:16.57 | egod | meh |
| 14:17.03 | Clord | nah |
| 14:17.05 | Clord | starcraft adventures |
| 14:17.13 | Clord | because mapper has only 50mb |
| 14:17.14 | Clord | dammit |
| 14:17.38 | Clord | hehe now I know |
| 14:17.42 | Clord | interactive Kerrigan dating game |
| 14:17.43 | Clord | XD |
| 14:18.08 | A1win | I'd play it- wait what |
| 14:18.33 | Clord | pointy experience |
| 14:18.42 | Clord | and third wheel Jim Raynor comes from somewhere |
| 14:18.46 | Clord | and you can choose to take bullet |
| 14:18.50 | Clord | to protect the swarm! |
| 14:18.51 | Clord | XD |
| 14:19.31 | Clord | Jim Raynor wants to kill Kerrigan.. then his plans change as he learns he can save him with alien technology... makes so much sense |
| 14:19.32 | Clord | lol |
| 14:21.07 | Clord | honestly.. so far SCII storyline has been like this from Jim Raynor side |
| 14:21.10 | Clord | he does not give damn |
| 14:21.36 | Clord | he didn't give damn of goal Zeratul gave him besides getting his love back XD |
| 14:22.05 | Clord | in expansion storyline he probably continues not to give damn at least halfway throught |
| 14:22.23 | Clord | end or rant :) |
| 14:22.28 | Clord | of... |
| 14:23.04 | A1win | mmh so for an item I need an ability that removes it from the game when I "pick it up" and then catch that with a trigger event? |
| 14:24.56 | Clord | simple unit type should do |
| 14:25.02 | Clord | whatever is unit type of that you pick up |
| 14:25.04 | Clord | if then else ftw |
| 14:25.25 | A1win | yea I know how triggers work :P but I first need to make an item that can actually be picked up |
| 14:25.58 | Clord | you can do simple ^^ click item thing...... then check how far that guy you control is from that item |
| 14:26.11 | Clord | if you don't want unlimited range catch |
| 14:26.12 | Clord | XD |
| 14:26.18 | A1win | ah damn these default pickup items are automatically picked up |
| 14:26.28 | A1win | just by walking through them |
| 14:27.23 | A1win | yeah I suppose I'll do this the way I did my interaction system... when the player orders a unit to move to the item, it's stored for the player as "target" and then periodically check if a player is close enough to his target and if yes, interact (pick up) |
| 14:27.43 | A1win | and when he orders the unit to move anywhere else, clear the target |
| 14:36.59 | Vexal | tobin- one more time |
| 14:37.02 | Vexal | last time i swear. |
| 14:37.08 | Tobin- | Alrighty |
| 14:45.16 | Clord | ^^ |
| 14:49.40 | egod | the ONLY WAY to make a item not useble if you dont meet the req like: LVL 4 or whatever, its drop the item to the ground :( |
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| 14:50.21 | Demonette | =S need help with something simple it seems... |
| 14:50.23 | Clord | there is in EU one map what did custom inventory with dialogs |
| 14:50.23 | Shadoooow | Anyone have any idea how the PEmitter works? |
| 14:50.52 | Demonette | What is PEmitter? |
| 14:51.03 | Clord | benefits are clear... just click unit and you see his inventory etc ^^ |
| 14:51.05 | Clord | and let's face it |
| 14:51.13 | Clord | official inventory system is bit crap |
| 14:51.25 | Demonette | True |
| 14:51.31 | egod | yes, with a costum inventory, you can do everything you want, but im talking with Blizz inventory |
| 14:51.34 | Shadoooow | The particle that SC2 uses with the current exporter. |
| 14:51.35 | Demonette | so what is this PEmitter stuff? |
| 14:51.46 | Demonette | ooohhh partikels |
| 14:52.19 | Hati | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Particle_system |
| 14:52.53 | Shadoooow | I doubt that would tell me how the PEmitter works. |
| 14:52.58 | Shadoooow | will* |
| 14:53.47 | Hati | why should it work different than in other systems ? |
| 14:55.48 | Shadoooow | Because it's a particle system that was made to be used for SC2, i already know how to use particles. I need to know how to use this one. |
| 14:59.07 | A1win | yay now I can pick up pylons with my goliath |
| 15:00.11 | lomar | looking for some more guys to test a map on EU |
| 15:00.29 | Obatztrara | I can come in 5 min |
| 15:00.37 | lomar | cool |
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| 15:00.41 | lomar | lomar.130 |
| 15:00.43 | Hati | could est too |
| 15:00.46 | Obatztrara | Add me, ill be there soon (Oabtztara.110) |
| 15:00.51 | lomar | nice okay |
| 15:03.35 | Hati | send you ingame msg |
| 15:06.32 | Obatztrara | alright starting sc2 now |
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| 15:20.43 | A1win | mmh in a custom inventory system, do you think I should have each item as a separate record? |
| 15:21.25 | A1win | *each item type |
| 15:22.18 | A1win | err... no |
| 15:25.08 | A1win | just as a unit type I guess, and maybe a record of the unit type + some extra fields if needed |
| 15:25.38 | A1win | except that I can't have records inside records, meh |
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| 16:08.33 | A1win | whee now it also stores the items and checks if inventory is full based on the supply usage of the item |
| 16:10.49 | Obatztrara | anyone wanna help test warlords orpg in about 20 minutes? I have added a new interactive/intro/slash tutorial that needs testing + feeback :) (EU) |
| 16:15.18 | Obatztrara | anyone? |
| 16:17.55 | RipperRoo | can i upgrade abilities ? .. like if i have a high templar... and i research something like psi blast... and then my high templar doesnt have a psi storm anymore but psi blast instead which is a complete different ability and has its own button ? |
| 16:18.36 | RipperRoo | or do i have to make a complete new unit for that ? |
| 16:20.47 | A1win | you can do it with upgrades if you want it for all units of that type for a player, or with a behavior if you want it for just that one unit |
| 16:21.33 | A1win | make an upgrade or a behavior and then give those abilities requirements to only show up when the unit has / doesn't have that upgrade or behavior |
| 16:21.57 | A1win | ...the command buttons that is, not abilities |
| 16:25.26 | RipperRoo | you confuse me^^ |
| 16:26.43 | RipperRoo | ok they dont show up but i want them to replace the old one |
| 16:26.58 | A1win | you hide the old one and show the new one |
| 16:27.57 | RipperRoo | ok thanks |
| 16:28.56 | RipperRoo | and i ve read some thread on mapster about building units in a bunker and let them spawn inside.... do i still have to take the workaround with triggers or did someone manage it with data editor by now? |
| 16:30.09 | A1win | well I could imagine it can be done with data by giving the bunker a load order when the unit is trained but I don't know how exactly it should be done |
| 16:32.49 | RipperRoo | okay thanks :) |
| 16:33.28 | Demonette | Need help guys =P |
| 16:33.41 | RipperRoo | whats the matter?^^ |
| 16:33.50 | Demonette | What kind of support unit should i make out of the feederling? |
| 16:34.02 | Demonette | as i want infestors be able to spawn them |
| 16:34.31 | Demonette | but no idea what to do with them =/ i was thinking about making them able to generate small dark swarm effects |
| 16:34.40 | Demonette | but not sure if this is good.. |
| 16:35.22 | Demonette | also had the idea to let them jump on enemy infantery but that doesn't sounds very good... =/ and reminds me to much at neural parasit |
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| 16:39.44 | JademusSreg | =D |
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| 16:43.09 | JademusSreg | What's up? |
| 16:43.16 | Demonette | As i said... |
| 16:43.23 | Demonette | i want suggestions |
| 16:43.32 | Demonette | I'm sure Nesetalis is fine =P |
| 16:44.04 | JademusSreg | Feederlings should be eaten. |
| 16:44.10 | A1win | what's the "double clicked selection" dialog item used event? |
| 16:44.35 | Demonette | Yeah... was thinking about ithat too... |
| 16:44.53 | A1win | doesn't seem to do anything with lists or buttons at least |
| 16:48.15 | JademusSreg | So who wants to make a PRSFPS? |
| 16:48.33 | A1win | a what? |
| 16:48.44 | JademusSreg | Paper Rock Scissors First Person Shooter? |
| 16:48.52 | A1win | oh |
| 16:49.07 | A1win | I've used to calling it RPS ;p |
| 16:50.19 | JademusSreg | You would have three ammo types, paper, rock, and scissors, and the ability to change your form at will, to paper, rock, or scissors. |
| 16:50.21 | Demonette | Scissor! |
| 16:51.30 | JademusSreg | I'm sure I can forego an explnation of the damage mechanics. |
| 16:51.39 | JademusSreg | Anyone want to make that? |
| 16:51.51 | JademusSreg | Paper Rock Scissors Death Match? |
| 16:52.10 | A1win | sounds like something you'd get bored with quite fast |
| 16:53.10 | JademusSreg | I don't bored. Ever. When I see boredom coming, I destroy it with imaginative mind powers. |
| 16:53.18 | JademusSreg | pew pew |
| 16:55.11 | JademusSreg | It would be an intellectually stimulating game. |
| 16:57.23 | A1win | is there an easy way to make an dialog list with a scroll bar? |
| 16:58.13 | JademusSreg | I've not encountered a need for a scroll bar before, so I haven't looked into it. |
| 16:58.50 | A1win | mm I suppose better not to use one, would just make usability worse |
| 16:59.30 | JademusSreg | Probably. What's in the dialog that could have need for a scroll bar? |
| 17:00.07 | A1win | items :P |
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| 17:00.18 | A1win | a list of them, that is |
| 17:00.24 | JademusSreg | As in a shop or custom inventory system? |
| 17:00.30 | A1win | inventory |
| 17:00.42 | A1win | still wondering how I should implement this |
| 17:00.57 | A1win | should I even use a text list or icons |
| 17:01.15 | JademusSreg | Got it. Inventory like Final Fantasy infinite inventory, or Mother games' limited inventory? |
| 17:02.23 | A1win | limited I suppose |
| 17:03.08 | A1win | hmm |
| 17:03.19 | A1win | actually I should first figure out how many different items there will be |
| 17:05.05 | A1win | ah well, quite a lot since I want different types of similar items, like different guns and armor etc |
| 17:06.13 | A1win | so I think I'll limit the inventory based on item "size", and have enough space in the inventory that if it's filled with size 1 items, they all show up |
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| 17:07.17 | syltman | hey how do I code in galaxy? Is there a way to do it within in the editor or do I have to import scripts? |
| 17:07.28 | JademusSreg | New -> Custom Script |
| 17:07.32 | JademusSreg | Or. |
| 17:08.17 | JademusSreg | Save the map as a SC2Components file, and it will unravel the directory and expose all the files, so you can edit them directly without need of an mpq editor. |
| 17:09.03 | JademusSreg | Then later, save it as a map again, and all the files in the directory will be packed into the map mpq. |
| 17:09.21 | JademusSreg | That's what you would do before publishing, I mean. |
| 17:09.36 | JademusSreg | You can still edit it normally in the editor, as well. |
| 17:11.00 | JademusSreg | The advantage of the latter method is that it permits you to use the #include statement, and write your scripts independently of the map script, even though you'll still need to call them from main(). |
| 17:11.16 | JademusSreg | At least to init. |
| 17:11.48 | JademusSreg | syltman, that sounds familiar. wc3c? Or the Hive? |
| 17:11.55 | syltman | both |
| 17:12.10 | syltman | haven't really been bothered with sc2 |
| 17:12.21 | syltman | I've tried some but been put off kinda quickly |
| 17:12.30 | JademusSreg | Extract the natives.galaxy files from the Core data mpq. |
| 17:12.40 | JademusSreg | *file |
| 17:13.10 | JademusSreg | Also extract NativeLib.galaxy, since that is the GUI function library. |
| 17:13.29 | syltman | aye |
| 17:13.30 | syltman | thanks |
| 17:13.34 | JademusSreg | Also extract LibertyLib.galaxy from the Liberty data mpq. |
| 17:13.49 | JademusSreg | These shall be your reference files, give you a sexy feel for the API,. |
| 17:14.04 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 17:14.43 | JademusSreg | I keep them open in notepad++ perpetually. |
| 17:18.16 | Clord | how you know that entire chat is drunk? you mention that japan has nuclear power plant meltdown and no reaction XD |
| 17:18.17 | syltman | what apps can I use to open the data mpq? |
| 17:18.24 | Hati | MpqEditor |
| 17:18.27 | Clord | possible =) |
| 17:18.35 | Clord | mpqeditor :) |
| 17:18.36 | syltman | alright |
| 17:18.44 | Clord | MPQeditor rocks |
| 17:18.49 | Hati | http://www.zezula.net/en/mpq/download.html |
| 17:20.23 | Hati | Clord: there's no reason to react on it ... |
| 17:24.47 | Clord | :) |
| 17:24.51 | Clord | nah |
| 17:24.58 | Clord | I was not joking about that drunk part |
| 17:25.04 | Clord | they would not be able to react it even if they wanted to |
| 17:25.33 | Clord | as you see.. here finland |
| 17:25.37 | Clord | sunday is big event to get drunk |
| 17:26.10 | Clord | lol and speaking of "no reason to react" |
| 17:26.19 | Clord | our supply ran out of some anti nuclear stuff |
| 17:26.25 | Clord | because people panicked from news so much |
| 17:26.29 | Clord | that they bought them all XD |
| 17:26.35 | JademusSreg | Yeah, Ladik's MPQ Editor is best. |
| 17:26.39 | Clord | :) |
| 17:26.54 | Clord | anti radiation whatever stuff... makes you survive from radiation exposion |
| 17:27.15 | Clord | our country ran out of that stuff |
| 17:29.22 | Clord | we here finland got exposed by radiation because meltdown of one of nuclear power plants in history... 1986 or something... so no wonder people freak out XD |
| 17:32.00 | syltman | is there anything like vjass for sc2? I know that andromeda exists but it appears to still be in alpha. |
| 17:32.45 | JademusSreg | sylt, kinda/not yet. |
| 17:32.56 | JademusSreg | Vestras and s3rius are working on Grape. |
| 17:33.43 | JademusSreg | grim nearly has working preprocessor that handles some simple things, and between that and his scripts covers a lot of the old vjass functionality. |
| 17:34.08 | JademusSreg | geX is working on his master's thesis, so Andromeda is at a standstill. |
| 17:34.11 | syltman | well atleast it's in the works |
| 17:35.28 | JademusSreg | MindWorX was working on Sparsile editor-integrated scriptamabob and Cosmos language extension, but he's preoccupied using his awesome powers making facebook games for monies. |
| 17:35.56 | syltman | lol |
| 17:36.03 | JademusSreg | Which is understandable; modding doesn't pay the bills (unless you work for Curse). |
| 17:36.17 | syltman | definetly |
| 17:36.53 | Clord | actually |
| 17:36.55 | JademusSreg | If you want to know more about any of the extensions, just ask. =) |
| 17:37.31 | Clord | some things like team fortress 2 item shop makes some experienced modellers ridicuously easy money |
| 17:37.31 | Clord | XD |
| 17:37.45 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 17:38.18 | Clord | and they only care of model designing part... they don't need actually implement it themeselves |
| 17:39.53 | Clord | speakin of nuclkear meltdown |
| 17:39.54 | Clord | http://www.dukenukemforever.com/full/us |
| 17:39.58 | Clord | speaking... |
| 17:40.08 | Clord | nuclear lol ^^ |
| 17:41.09 | JademusSreg | Hm. I'm still having trouble with my TP targeting. |
| 17:41.30 | Clord | great... ant walks over my lcd screen like owns it |
| 17:41.47 | JademusSreg | It does. |
| 17:41.56 | Clord | so buggy ;) |
| 17:41.57 | Clord | lol |
| 17:42.04 | JademusSreg | Ants are pimp, the world's their bitch. |
| 17:42.35 | JademusSreg | Rollin up six-legged smooth. |
| 17:42.56 | Clord | and they are loaded |
| 17:42.59 | Clord | lol |
| 17:42.59 | JademusSreg | Sippin on gin and dew. |
| 17:43.19 | Clord | when we have piss |
| 17:43.22 | Clord | we want to get rid of it |
| 17:43.26 | Clord | when ant has piss |
| 17:43.27 | Clord | they store it |
| 17:43.28 | Clord | XD |
| 17:43.59 | JademusSreg | Put formic acid on a sugar cube and give it to a drug abuser. |
| 17:44.46 | Clord | you mean soldiers? |
| 17:44.51 | Clord | lol |
| 17:44.54 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 17:45.22 | JademusSreg | Anyone want to make a PRSFPS? |
| 17:49.52 | Clord | ooh there is mutant hitting the door! |
| 17:49.55 | Clord | no reaction ^^ |
| 17:50.02 | Clord | I'm being over dramatic here |
| 17:50.03 | Clord | lol |
| 17:50.07 | Clord | but yeah |
| 17:50.18 | Clord | some disasters has shown how people not realize to react and then die with ship |
| 17:50.19 | Clord | on sea |
| 17:50.39 | Clord | something called Estonia where most didn't even realize to try survive XD |
| 17:56.40 | JademusSreg | Frog in a gradually boiling pot. |
| 17:57.43 | A1win | does the "add list item" action set Last created dialog iteM? |
| 17:57.56 | A1win | or is there any way I can refer to the last added list item |
| 17:58.32 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 17:59.30 | JademusSreg | Better to create it and save it to a variable on the same line to spare a function call, though; Last Created Anything is a waste. |
| 18:00.28 | JademusSreg | Though it's my understanding, now that I think of it, that GUI prohibits this by not allowing variables to initialize with actions that create the objects. |
| 18:01.09 | A1win | mmh actually it didn't return it |
| 18:03.12 | A1win | so how do I refer t it >.> |
| 18:03.58 | JademusSreg | Weird. |
| 18:04.24 | JademusSreg | I don't use GUI, so I'm not really sure. |
| 18:05.00 | A1win | well I suppose I could just add that line as a custom script |
| 18:07.09 | JademusSreg | You're adding a list item to a list box in a dialog, yes? |
| 18:07.16 | A1win | yeah |
| 18:07.38 | JademusSreg | Let me check this out. I've got the editor open. |
| 18:08.30 | JademusSreg | Ah. I see. |
| 18:08.42 | JademusSreg | The native doesn't return a value. |
| 18:08.54 | JademusSreg | But the items are indexed. |
| 18:09.18 | JademusSreg | So you can't refer to the item. |
| 18:09.27 | JademusSreg | Not directly. |
| 18:09.55 | JademusSreg | native void DialogControlAddItem (int control, playergroup players, text value); |
| 18:09.58 | JademusSreg | native void DialogControlRemoveItem (int control, playergroup players, int index); |
| 18:09.58 | JademusSreg | native void DialogControlRemoveAllItems (int control, playergroup players); |
| 18:09.58 | JademusSreg | native void DialogControlSelectItem (int control, playergroup players, int index); |
| 18:09.59 | A1win | mmf I guess I'll just rebuild the whole list every time I refresh it then |
| 18:10.17 | JademusSreg | Seems that way. |
| 18:10.26 | JademusSreg | Unless you want to track the indexes. |
| 18:10.45 | A1win | well I can't do anything to them based on the index anyway |
| 18:10.49 | A1win | except remove that item |
| 18:10.53 | A1win | or select it |
| 18:10.59 | JademusSreg | Yeah. |
| 18:12.56 | A1win | ah well makes things simpler anyway |
| 18:15.48 | A1win | whee now it stacks the pylons into one inventory slot |
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| 18:18.46 | A1win | hmm should I sort the items to alphabetical order or just keep them in the order they were picked up |
| 18:18.57 | A1win | oh well can do sorting later |
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| 18:22.46 | A1win | err... since I can't refer to the list items, is there any way to change their font or appearance :S |
| 18:23.16 | A1win | or does it inherit it from the actual list... |
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| 18:24.15 | Bounty | Wazaaap |
| 18:26.10 | A1win | phew, it does |
| 18:28.35 | A1win | so... now I have an inventory as an item name list and I can select them in it, was thinking I'll make buttons at the top of the inventory to use/drop the item |
| 18:28.41 | A1win | or does anyone have better ideas? |
| 18:29.34 | A1win | another option would be to give each item small use and drop buttons next to it so it wouldn't have to be selected first... but not sure if that's a good way to do it |
| 18:36.03 | JademusSreg | I'm working on terrain. =D |
| 18:36.49 | JademusSreg | A1win, it wouldn't be hard to move a single dialog around to the items. |
| 18:37.18 | JademusSreg | So clicking on an item and having a little dialog appear beside it would be pretty smooth. |
| 18:37.31 | A1win | mmh true |
| 18:38.06 | Bounty | Hey Jade :) |
| 18:38.15 | Bounty | we will definently be racing today |
| 18:38.17 | Bounty | =P |
| 18:38.41 | Bounty | i just made the checkpoint system in like 5 seconds and it works completely. You cant go backwards on the track |
| 18:38.46 | Bounty | it sets your destination |
| 18:41.39 | JManV | what if you want to go backwards? |
| 18:41.53 | Bounty | check points wont register lol |
| 18:41.54 | Bounty | but u can |
| 18:41.56 | Bounty | if u want |
| 18:42.04 | Bounty | i know people will |
| 18:42.09 | Bounty | just to knock people into walls |
| 18:42.11 | Bounty | and blow em up |
| 18:42.12 | Bounty | >< |
| 18:42.15 | Bounty | i know i will =P |
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| 18:50.03 | Bounty | What i wanna figure out is |
| 18:50.09 | Bounty | How can i get a list of what place everyone is |
| 18:50.26 | Bounty | i think i could use the checkpoint system to do it somehow |
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| 18:55.07 | A1win | uh, if I rebuild the item list every time I refresh it, my selection also gets reset |
| 18:55.23 | A1win | I should probably just use buttons instead of a list |
| 18:55.34 | A1win | can make them look like a list anyway, just some extra work |
| 19:08.18 | JademusSreg | Going to the gym. bbl |
| 19:08.20 | Demonette | do behaviours have an target? |
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| 19:13.35 | Bounty | whats the blend more to hide the background of an image |
| 19:13.39 | Bounty | like if its a picture ofa circle |
| 19:13.45 | Bounty | and i only want the circle and not the square black background |
| 19:21.15 | A1win | anyone wanna give me a quick course on how to set dialog item button images properly? ;p |
| 19:33.01 | Shadoooow | Editor or 3ds max/blender Bounty? |
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| 19:34.03 | AxlYin | HAIGUIZE |
| 19:34.06 | A1win | umm... is there a way to make button label aligned to left instead of centered? |
| 19:35.44 | Shawn|Rawr | Check the styles in the text menu' |
| 19:36.37 | Shawn|Rawr | a1, the best way I've found to set up a button image is to not set up the image, and just create a new dialog item (image) and place it over the button |
| 19:36.56 | A1win | ah |
| 19:37.24 | Shawn|Rawr | i screwed with all the image settings in those buttons for hours and its just not worth it |
| 19:42.36 | Bounty | wtf |
| 19:42.42 | Bounty | u can rotate a dialog item but not a dialog? |
| 19:44.37 | Skittles | back |
| 19:48.28 | AxlYin | so onetwo still hang around here? |
| 19:49.44 | A1win | uff setting text style for dialogs has been made way more difficult than it should be ;p |
| 19:50.39 | Bounty | im so pissed |
| 19:50.41 | Bounty | i cant believe this lol |
| 19:50.49 | Bounty | why can u rotate dialog item but not a dialog |
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| 19:55.03 | Tobin_ | Whats the easiest way to edit the help interface? |
| 19:55.42 | Shawn|Rawr | Add tips |
| 19:56.12 | Shawn|Rawr | That's basically the extent of our control of it i think |
| 19:56.21 | Shawn|Rawr | And we can add units to the units thing |
| 19:56.35 | Tobin- | I basically want to removal all units except 9 |
| 19:56.56 | Tobin- | do i have to go through every unit mentioned and delete the link to do that? |
| 19:56.59 | Tobin- | or is there an easier way? |
| 19:57.13 | Tobin- | (before i waste an hour doing it) |
| 19:59.32 | Tobin- | and lucky me added campaign and story dependencies, so i get to manually remove everything. |
| 20:01.25 | Clord | you can get with MPQeditor rid |
| 20:01.40 | Clord | dependencies XD |
| 20:01.46 | Clord | and map still gonna work fine |
| 20:02.45 | Clord | for example editor gave me huge list why can't remove multi dependency |
| 20:02.51 | Clord | but with MPQeditor I got rid of it |
| 20:02.55 | Clord | and switched it to campaign one |
| 20:05.52 | Tobin- | I'll just tough it out, i'm already 1/4 done anyways. |
| 20:06.27 | Tobin- | Is it going to reset them all after a patch though? |
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| 20:08.49 | Clord | nah |
| 20:09.08 | Clord | if you don't use sc2multi depedency... patches don't break anything from your map |
| 20:09.16 | Clord | because of balance changes what blizzard does etc |
| 20:11.20 | Clord | some mappers don't get it so... |
| 20:11.25 | Clord | some great maps got ruined when blizzard patched game |
| 20:11.34 | Clord | and now 1.3.0 gonna get them hosted |
| 20:11.37 | Clord | and we see bugged crap |
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| 20:23.19 | Shawn|Rawr | 1.3.0 is changing game variants anyway |
| 20:23.27 | Shawn|Rawr | so every map will need to be updated |
| 20:25.18 | Clord | yeah but not breaking propotions |
| 20:25.21 | Clord | that is different thing |
| 20:25.45 | Clord | you know.. I don't need camp patch as map will work after patch too.. right |
| 20:26.03 | Clord | same with all patches since release of game |
| 20:27.03 | Tobin- | Wow, glad you told me that. |
| 20:27.07 | Tobin- | I'd be pissed |
| 20:27.21 | Tobin- | gonna remove multi depend now |
| 20:28.00 | Clord | lol that was the point.. being unaffected by patches :) |
| 20:28.12 | Clord | plus you get to keep all the cool stuff like Ultralisks vs structure attack |
| 20:29.18 | Tobin- | Do i have to use that program to remove it? |
| 20:29.35 | Clord | yeah... unless you want to remove your data edits |
| 20:29.38 | Clord | just for switch |
| 20:29.44 | JademusSreg | I return. |
| 20:29.47 | Tobin- | Because when i try to it says Massive Void Ray Vulnerability |
| 20:29.49 | Tobin- | is in use |
| 20:29.57 | Tobin- | but thats only thing |
| 20:30.58 | Tobin- | ahh nvm |
| 20:31.01 | Tobin- | i figured it out |
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| 20:31.14 | Tobin- | So glad i asked about the help, otherwise i wouldve been so screwed. |
| 20:31.37 | JademusSreg | Did I miss anything interesting? =D |
| 20:31.57 | QueenGambit | hi everyone |
| 20:32.13 | JademusSreg | Hi. |
| 20:32.34 | Tobin- | Ahh i was asking if there was an easy way to edit help and he said something about removing dependencies and happened to mention having multi dependency messes up maps after patches and this sentence is the biggest run on ever. |
| 20:33.23 | JademusSreg | The reason why dependencies can mess up maps is important, worth discussing. |
| 20:33.45 | JademusSreg | It has everything to do with inheritance and field arrays. |
| 20:33.49 | Clord | as far I recall what I did... you need to replace "DocumentInfo" from inside map file with correct editing or copying it from another map |
| 20:33.52 | Tobin- | Yup, glad he mentioned it. Saved me some grief. |
| 20:34.35 | JademusSreg | For instance, try never to add an actor event in the middle of the actor event field array; add them to the end. |
| 20:34.40 | Clord | <?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?> |
| 20:34.40 | Clord | <DocInfo> |
| 20:34.40 | Clord | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:34.40 | Clord | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:34.40 | Clord | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:34.40 | Clord | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:34.40 | Clord | </DocInfo> |
| 20:35.15 | Tobin- | I already removed it clord, thanks though. |
| 20:35.22 | JademusSreg | If Blizzard changes values in those dependencies, your map can still get fucked. |
| 20:35.37 | JademusSreg | It's just less likely they will change data in those. |
| 20:35.44 | Clord | yeah but so far they have not |
| 20:35.45 | Clord | lol |
| 20:35.46 | JademusSreg | It makes them "safe". =) |
| 20:36.02 | Clord | also when next "Expansion" comes |
| 20:36.06 | Clord | it comes with own dependency |
| 20:36.11 | Clord | I assume |
| 20:36.23 | JademusSreg | Perhaps even 3 new dependencies. |
| 20:36.26 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 20:36.39 | JademusSreg | For the base, campaign, and multiplayer. |
| 20:36.43 | Tobin- | To add even more risk. |
| 20:37.06 | Clord | hehe funny fact |
| 20:37.15 | Clord | when I remove sc2multi and replaced it with campaign one |
| 20:37.18 | Clord | one of my beta times map |
| 20:37.18 | JademusSreg | No much risk if you don't make silly inheritance structures. |
| 20:37.20 | Clord | got instantly fixed |
| 20:37.22 | Clord | ^^ |
| 20:37.30 | Clord | stuff went just click to right places XD |
| 20:37.51 | Tobin- | Is the multi dependency the only one that i shouldn't use? |
| 20:37.54 | Clord | save few things like missing ability from command card :) |
| 20:37.59 | Clord | yeah |
| 20:38.01 | JademusSreg | Try to only use the parents in Core, since those are the least likely to be modified. |
| 20:38.17 | Clord | also sc2story is useless too unless you want to use models used only between missions |
| 20:38.26 | JademusSreg | Haha, yeah. |
| 20:38.42 | Tobin- | Ahh ok, i'll remove that one too then. |
| 20:39.27 | Clord | they literally used map editor to make those between storymission interaction places |
| 20:39.28 | Clord | crazy stuff |
| 20:39.39 | JademusSreg | srsly |
| 20:40.21 | Clord | yeah for those bridge views etc |
| 20:40.32 | Clord | that's why you can place those models in first place |
| 20:40.33 | Clord | etc |
| 20:40.38 | JademusSreg | No question mark. I was agreeing. =) |
| 20:41.36 | Tobin- | Do you guys think they'll ever add swapping between maps? |
| 20:41.41 | Tobin- | (in game) |
| 20:41.43 | JademusSreg | Diversion: <|:{l}- Look! It's a wizard! |
| 20:42.12 | JademusSreg | Tobin, it can be done from maps launched in the editor, so single player campaigns are possible. |
| 20:42.27 | Tobin- | Yeah but i mean online. |
| 20:42.38 | JademusSreg | But on battlenet? That seems like forever away. |
| 20:42.56 | JademusSreg | It's pretty cruel to include but cockblock the functionality. |
| 20:43.06 | Tobin- | haha |
| 20:43.37 | JademusSreg | What's really shitty is the description of the function in the GUI action. |
| 20:43.49 | JademusSreg | It's like "Come the fuck on! You tease!" |
| 20:44.22 | JademusSreg | I once made a recursive map that loaded itself. |
| 20:47.42 | Demonette | can i somehow force an effect order to happen? |
| 20:48.11 | Demonette | cause it works as long as the target isn't building anything... |
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| 20:59.49 | Clord | it would be revolutionary to be able to load another map in multi match |
| 20:59.53 | Clord | in maps what supports it |
| 20:59.58 | Clord | with other people with you |
| 21:00.31 | Clord | other really awesome functionality for map what could be optional is |
| 21:00.35 | Clord | join to match already in progress |
| 21:00.42 | Clord | it would be up to mapper to trigger it right |
| 21:05.05 | Shawn|Rawr | Clord.. how would you join a map already in progress? |
| 21:05.12 | Shawn|Rawr | That would seems impossible |
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| 21:12.31 | Tobin- | If i remove all units in a help menu will it remove that help menu? 'Terran Characters' |
| 21:12.58 | Bounty | Jademussreg |
| 21:13.00 | Bounty | dude |
| 21:13.01 | Bounty | lol |
| 21:13.15 | Bounty | when u blow up/die from hitting a wall ur go goes fucking flying |
| 21:13.20 | Bounty | this map is the greatest ive ever made |
| 21:13.21 | Bounty | >< |
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| 21:15.43 | JademusSreg | Hi. |
| 21:15.49 | MrOp | hi |
| 21:16.02 | Tobin- | Nice bounty, i'd like to see your racing map again soon. |
| 21:16.06 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 21:16.10 | Motive | Does anyone know how to pause an Actor's animation for an indeterminate amount of time? |
| 21:16.12 | Bounty | it will be playable soon |
| 21:16.14 | JademusSreg | We should all hop on there in a bit. |
| 21:16.23 | Motive | Right now I'm trying with the actor message "AnimSetPaused true" |
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| 21:16.28 | Motive | but it seems to just reset the progress to 0% |
| 21:16.32 | Tobin- | sure |
| 21:16.43 | Bounty | but its funny though |
| 21:16.49 | Bounty | bc u die if u hit super speed and hit a wall |
| 21:16.50 | Bounty | but ur car |
| 21:16.55 | Bounty | just fucking goes all over the place |
| 21:16.57 | Bounty | and explodes |
| 21:17.03 | Bounty | its funny |
| 21:17.21 | JademusSreg | Moderately slick, VERY crunchy for the few available controls, but its interacting with environment that gives it extra crunch. |
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| 21:18.06 | Tobin- | ping me if you guys decide to hop on the map, i'll be setting up my help menu like a mindless zombie. |
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| 21:21.32 | Bounty | lol YES |
| 21:21.41 | Bounty | yet another thing i just found out |
| 21:21.49 | Bounty | that i didnt intentionally do but im so happy its in |
| 21:21.55 | Bounty | when u blow up in super sonic mode |
| 21:22.17 | Bounty | u pretty much explode and skide all over the place but u continue to destroy anyone u run into |
| 21:22.22 | Bounty | skid* |
| 21:25.30 | Motive | Also lol |
| 21:25.43 | Motive | Blizzard's actormessage natives seem bugged |
| 21:25.55 | Motive | libNtve_gf_ModelSwap(model, variation) seems to trigger error w/ variation == -1 |
| 21:26.01 | Motive | even though that's a default value |
| 21:26.02 | Motive | -.- |
| 21:26.10 | A1win | wooo, now I can drop items from my inventory |
| 21:26.27 | A1win | now all I got to do is be able to use them :P |
| 21:29.23 | A1win | oh yeah I'm missing inventory space display |
| 21:35.49 | JademusSreg | Bounty, is it ready to test? |
| 21:35.56 | Clord | lol Tobin- |
| 21:35.57 | Bounty | soon |
| 21:36.17 | Clord | [23:05:05] <Shawn|Rawr> Clord.. how would you join a map already in progress? |
| 21:36.21 | Clord | oh |
| 21:36.22 | Clord | shawn |
| 21:36.23 | Clord | ^^ |
| 21:36.44 | Clord | it would require quite coding from blizzard side |
| 21:36.50 | Clord | but it is already invented in some games |
| 21:37.03 | Shawn|Rawr | I know, but without blizz support, its impossible |
| 21:37.09 | Clord | yeah |
| 21:37.11 | Clord | that is true |
| 21:37.17 | Clord | but I didn't imply like it is possible right now XD |
| 21:39.22 | Clord | 1.3.0 probably gonna bring new wave of bans |
| 21:39.27 | Clord | I mean for publishers lol |
| 21:39.31 | Bounty | lovely |
| 21:39.37 | Bounty | region arrays dont fuckign work |
| 21:39.43 | Bounty | which completely ruins the entire system |
| 21:39.48 | Clord | so many publisher rule breaking maps gonna arose and get banned as they get finally played enough |
| 21:40.09 | Clord | like that "aliens vs predator" map lol |
| 21:40.13 | Clord | it came... it was goner |
| 21:40.27 | Tobin- | Haha bounty is using mk music... |
| 21:41.00 | Tobin- | Btw bounty, did you listen to that extreme-g link i gave you? |
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| 21:41.06 | Bounty | yeah |
| 21:41.26 | Bounty | OFMG |
| 21:41.28 | Bounty | such bullshit |
| 21:41.39 | Bounty | why the fuck do arrayed region variable not fucking work |
| 21:41.50 | Tobin- | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VB3FD2wfLEs&feature=related best racing music ever. |
| 21:42.16 | JademusSreg | brb |
| 21:42.34 | Tobin- | I wish my n64 never broke, i'd still play it. |
| 21:42.40 | Deaod | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/galaxy-scripting-and-trigger-lib/19580-interesting-galaxy-bug/ |
| 21:43.05 | Clord | gauss rifle... it just keeps giving |
| 21:43.09 | Clord | lol |
| 21:43.58 | Motive | so it's returning the memory address of MagicValueHelper in the if statement? |
| 21:44.14 | Deaod | probably not. |
| 21:44.48 | Motive | err no I mean the |
| 21:44.51 | Motive | if(MagicValueHelper) { |
| 21:44.53 | Motive | inside the if statement |
| 21:44.56 | Clord | insult swordfighting.... aah the classic ^^ |
| 21:45.02 | Motive | "MagicvalueHelper" has the value of the memory address of "MagicValueHelper" method in memory? |
| 21:45.03 | Clord | expect I didn't experience it until remake of that game |
| 21:45.30 | Deaod | well, i dont know |
| 21:45.36 | Clord | who was that genius who did make "H" button for hints in that adventure game.... it ruined it |
| 21:45.38 | Deaod | and i dont think it makes that much of a difference |
| 21:45.54 | Motive | I don't see how it's a bug, though |
| 21:45.58 | Motive | it seems to be properly executing to me |
| 21:46.11 | Motive | assuming "MagicValueHelper" is an address in memory, it will never be 0 |
| 21:46.17 | Motive | and it's not called since we're missing the () |
| 21:46.24 | Motive | so it returns the address |
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| 21:46.27 | Deaod | except for the fact that youre calling a function without its parameter |
| 21:46.27 | Motive | like in C |
| 21:46.37 | Motive | are you? |
| 21:46.39 | Deaod | yes |
| 21:46.48 | Motive | let me test this |
| 21:46.56 | Deaod | how else would i be able to grab the value and store it in magicValue |
| 21:47.19 | Motive | I don't think you explained it clearly. Lemme test that code and see what you're seeing. Lol |
| 21:47.23 | Clord | http://www.scummbar.com/community/games/swordfighting/ |
| 21:50.10 | grim001 | Motive, just look at the code again, its not something that should be allowed to compile. |
| 21:50.52 | grim001 | MagicValueHelper is a bool function that needs a parameter, not a global boolean. |
| 21:51.09 | grim001 | Yet it's evaluated without any parameter passed to it. |
| 21:54.46 | Motive | Ah, I see, I was trying to deceipher what Deaod was saying, not the bug :) |
| 21:54.52 | Motive | seems to return 2097060 constantly for me. |
| 21:55.13 | Motive | I was wondering if the magichelper method was being run, or it was returning a true boolean to the if statement |
| 21:56.17 | grim001 | Anyway, my goal for today is working script requirements for my preprocessor |
| 21:56.22 | Motive | Woo :) |
| 21:56.43 | Zoxc | compiler or preprocessor? =P |
| 21:57.28 | grim001 | it isn't a compiler. |
| 21:57.36 | Clord | that insult sowrdfighting is hard compared to game's one |
| 21:57.37 | Clord | XD |
| 21:58.01 | Motive | maybe this just means Galaxy's non-initialized value is 1FFFA4. Lol |
| 21:58.10 | Motive | needs moar testing |
| 21:58.23 | Deaod | add a local variable declaration in front of the if statement |
| 21:58.33 | Deaod | and see how the value increases by 1 |
| 21:58.48 | Deaod | initialize the variable and it increases by a total of 4 |
| 21:59.11 | Motive | Oh that's interesting. :) |
| 21:59.16 | Deaod | errr |
| 21:59.21 | Deaod | decreases |
| 21:59.25 | Deaod | it counts down |
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| 21:59.48 | Bounty | doesnt look like we will be testing anytime soon Jademussreg |
| 21:59.56 | Bounty | gfg blizz |
| 22:00.15 | Tobin- | Does editing score results work? |
| 22:00.45 | Deaod | hmmm |
| 22:00.55 | Deaod | actually, i should test this again |
| 22:01.12 | Deaod | i cant remember |
| 22:01.17 | Motive | 2097056 with a placeholder int in front of the int |
| 22:01.24 | Motive | so 4 less than 2097060 |
| 22:01.34 | Motive | maybe this is the unallocated space remaining? |
| 22:01.42 | Bounty | wait no |
| 22:01.43 | Bounty | i fixed it |
| 22:01.46 | Deaod | thats what i figured |
| 22:01.58 | Motive | yup |
| 22:02.02 | Bounty | alright who want sto be the first group of people to have a real race on my map :) |
| 22:02.03 | Motive | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:02.09 | Deaod | a little less |
| 22:02.10 | Motive | so it looks like it's the stack space remaining |
| 22:02.12 | Motive | yup |
| 22:02.13 | Motive | makes sense |
| 22:02.33 | Motive | really cool discovery |
| 22:03.18 | Bounty | The faster i can test this the sooner i can release |
| 22:03.41 | Bounty | you will all end up playing it in the end :) |
| 22:03.59 | QueenGambit | Bounty, real race on your map? |
| 22:04.02 | Bounty | yep |
| 22:04.08 | QueenGambit | what u doing? |
| 22:04.15 | Bounty | ? what do u mean |
| 22:04.16 | QueenGambit | and can i play =) |
| 22:04.28 | Bounty | of course |
| 22:04.32 | Bounty | what i meant was |
| 22:04.39 | Bounty | up until now we couldnt actually race on the map |
| 22:04.41 | Bounty | bc nothing was in |
| 22:04.45 | Bounty | but now we can :) |
| 22:05.03 | Motive | ok so |
| 22:05.06 | Bounty | PM me @Bounty.820 |
| 22:05.18 | Motive | 2 MB = 2097152 bytes |
| 22:05.22 | Motive | gonna see how much Galaxy uses internally now |
| 22:05.23 | Motive | :) |
| 22:05.59 | Motive | 2097056 bytes free in my test map |
| 22:06.15 | Motive | 96 bytes to account for in my code then |
| 22:07.13 | Motive | 36 bytes from what I can see are actually used in my declarations and so on, assuming everything's a 4-byte primitive |
| 22:07.20 | Motive | so looks like galaxy internally steals ~60 bytes |
| 22:07.29 | Motive | oh wait |
| 22:07.32 | Motive | include triggerlibs/natives |
| 22:07.32 | Motive | rofl |
| 22:07.34 | Motive | forgot that |
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| 22:07.42 | Deaod | actually, this is what bugs me |
| 22:07.56 | Deaod | the natives library should take up way more than that. |
| 22:08.05 | Motive | yeah |
| 22:08.16 | QueenGambit_ | just go on sc2mapster channel |
| 22:08.23 | Tobin- | ahh we racing now? |
| 22:08.27 | Motive | do you have a link to TriggerLibs/natives contents? |
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| 22:08.30 | Bounty | yes Tobin |
| 22:08.34 | onetwo | LOL guys I just heard my map is on page 1 EU, and its on page 1 US |
| 22:08.34 | Tobin- | k |
| 22:08.36 | onetwo | looks like im |
| 22:08.42 | Motive | xD |
| 22:08.42 | Bounty | onetwo |
| 22:08.44 | Bounty | join us |
| 22:08.47 | Bounty | first race on my map :) |
| 22:08.57 | Tobin- | which map onetwo? |
| 22:09.02 | onetwo_WINNING | death haven |
| 22:09.05 | Deaod | nope, sorry, Motive |
| 22:09.10 | onetwo_WINNING | i may join you later bounty |
| 22:09.11 | Tobin- | oh |
| 22:09.12 | onetwo_WINNING | have some stuff to do |
| 22:09.14 | onetwo_WINNING | just woke up |
| 22:09.15 | Tobin- | congratz |
| 22:09.27 | Bounty | meet in mapster channel tobin |
| 22:09.43 | onetwo_WINNING | :D |
| 22:09.49 | onetwo_WINNING | the funniest thing is EU |
| 22:09.56 | onetwo_WINNING | i have no idea what goes on there |
| 22:10.00 | onetwo_WINNING | i just publish to vjeuxxs account |
| 22:10.18 | QueenGambit_ | who cares? |
| 22:10.20 | QueenGambit_ | ur winning |
| 22:10.24 | QueenGambit_ | thats all that maters |
| 22:10.26 | QueenGambit_ | matters* |
| 22:10.32 | Bounty | queen |
| 22:10.33 | Bounty | um |
| 22:10.38 | Bounty | it says u have me blocked rofl |
| 22:10.43 | QueenGambit_ | lol? |
| 22:10.48 | Bounty | yeah... idk |
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| 22:11.03 | QueenGambit_ | hangon |
| 22:11.06 | QueenGambit_ | k ur unblock |
| 22:11.16 | QueenGambit_ | i only block if u say anything disrespectful to me |
| 22:11.19 | Bounty | anyone else want in? |
| 22:11.20 | QueenGambit_ | i forgot now |
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| 22:11.25 | onetwo_WINNING | lol queen |
| 22:11.29 | Motive | well |
| 22:11.30 | Motive | that settles it |
| 22:11.32 | A1win | woo inventory system is ready for now, will add item functionality later but that's just a simple switch-case |
| 22:11.34 | Motive | the nativesLib takes up 0 memory. rofl |
| 22:11.40 | onetwo_WINNING | everything about death haven worked for me |
| 22:11.41 | Motive | I removed it from the script and ran again |
| 22:11.43 | Motive | no change in the # |
| 22:11.50 | onetwo_WINNING | the idea came perfectly and so did making it |
| 22:11.53 | onetwo_WINNING | much opposite to my rpg |
| 22:11.58 | onetwo_WINNING | some things just win |
| 22:12.03 | onetwo_WINNING | i guess i 'planned better' |
| 22:12.05 | onetwo_WINNING | lol queen gambit |
| 22:12.45 | Motive | ah actually that makes sense |
| 22:12.50 | Motive | Galaxy does things weirdly |
| 22:13.01 | Motive | function definitions would be stored in the heap |
| 22:13.54 | Motive | so it doesn't include the 2 MB of space for globals and other stuff |
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| 22:16.33 | onetwo_WINNING | stuff like this is annoying though |
| 22:16.35 | Motive | extra stuff could just be the stack frame |
| 22:16.42 | onetwo_WINNING | "(sidenote: Needed 2 hours to get a valid savefile with kills-number like i wanted. After that i noticed i could have been finished in 10 mins...)" |
| 22:16.48 | onetwo_WINNING | people messing around with your bank files |
| 22:17.07 | Motive | lol wheres that from? |
| 22:17.11 | onetwo_WINNING | my death haven thread |
| 22:17.14 | onetwo_WINNING | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/project-workplace/19310-death-haven/?page=2#p33 |
| 22:17.18 | onetwo_WINNING | theres always jackasses :( |
| 22:17.29 | onetwo_WINNING | we need cloud banks |
| 22:18.21 | onetwo_WINNING | that way anyone who opens the map |
| 22:18.24 | onetwo_WINNING | cant do anything about it |
| 22:18.26 | onetwo_WINNING | since bank is on server |
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| 22:22.25 | Motive | meh, guess it's not the stack frame |
| 22:22.25 | Motive | Lol |
| 22:22.43 | Motive | http://pastebin.com/ByFs6GwB |
| 22:22.46 | Motive | didn't alter the # at all |
| 22:22.56 | Motive | from the one ending in 60 |
| 22:27.21 | Motive | oh wait |
| 22:27.22 | Motive | there we go |
| 22:27.24 | Motive | got the # to change |
| 22:27.26 | Motive | previous test I did wrong |
| 22:27.31 | Motive | it is indeed the stack frame, it looks like |
| 22:28.03 | Motive | http://pastebin.com/Haa3WYRg |
| 22:28.06 | Motive | try that for some interesting results |
| 22:28.07 | Motive | :) |
| 22:28.41 | Motive | change godeeper(10) to another number and it alters the depth |
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| 22:31.40 | Motive | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/galaxy-scripting-and-trigger-lib/19580-interesting-galaxy-bug/#p2 |
| 22:31.45 | Motive | library to find out how much space you have remaining |
| 22:32.39 | Twiner|home | hmm |
| 22:32.47 | Twiner|home | Anyone know a good free UML tool for database design |
| 22:36.06 | JademusSreg | Back. |
| 22:39.06 | grim001 | some people just came to my door and gave me $200 |
| 22:39.11 | grim001 | cool |
| 22:39.13 | grim001 | back to coding |
| 22:39.18 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 22:39.25 | Motive | beginning to look like |
| 22:39.35 | Motive | for every level you go down into the call stack, you lose 28 bytes of memory |
| 22:40.50 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 22:41.23 | Bounty | well that was the biggest dissapointment ever |
| 22:41.28 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:41.29 | Motive | put all that fun stuff into my post. |
| 22:41.35 | Motive | gonna let someone more qualified figure the rest out |
| 22:41.36 | Motive | Lol |
| 22:41.48 | Tobin- | Third person isnt worth a shit |
| 22:41.55 | Bounty | Jade |
| 22:41.57 | Bounty | we have a problem |
| 22:42.02 | JademusSreg | Hwaht? |
| 22:42.08 | Bounty | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:42.18 | Bounty | if i cant return that unit as a value then im fucked |
| 22:42.30 | Bounty | we just did the first race test |
| 22:42.34 | Bounty | stuttering |
| 22:42.37 | Bounty | idk wtf it was |
| 22:42.50 | Bounty | so, yeah |
| 22:44.01 | JademusSreg | I tend to tear everything down and start over. My approach is pretty much antithetical to yours. =) |
| 22:44.16 | JademusSreg | Anyway, let me test, and then take a look at the source map. |
| 22:52.34 | Bounty | Well |
| 22:52.40 | Bounty | two people were complaining about framerate |
| 22:52.48 | Bounty | could their framerate cause everyone else to stutter? |
| 22:53.18 | JademusSreg | I doubt it, but then I don't know much about that the engine is doing. |
| 22:53.28 | JademusSreg | No, I expect the most you would expect would be lag. |
| 22:53.32 | Motive | Does anyone know if it's possible to change the decal of an individual unit, or all of a player's units in-game? |
| 22:53.36 | JademusSreg | That is, the person lagging out. |
| 22:53.50 | Bounty | is it possible to do collision with a threaded loop? |
| 22:54.00 | JademusSreg | Yes, Bounty. |
| 22:54.11 | Bounty | ok |
| 22:54.14 | Bounty | then how could i do that |
| 22:54.20 | onetwo_WINNING | wow grim |
| 22:54.21 | Bounty | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:54.22 | onetwo_WINNING | youre winning |
| 22:54.23 | Bounty | instead of that |
| 22:54.35 | JademusSreg | But don't refer to threaded loops like their magic. It reminds me of CSI or Numb3rs. |
| 22:54.39 | JademusSreg | *they're |
| 22:54.48 | Bounty | ???? im not |
| 22:54.50 | Bounty | im just saying |
| 22:54.57 | Bounty | the only other option is a periodic type scan |
| 22:54.57 | JademusSreg | Or any tech portion of NCIS |
| 22:55.04 | Bounty | so its not constantly firing triggers |
| 22:55.30 | JademusSreg | I'm gonna upload the RAM to defrag their IP and get a scan token of their server! |
| 22:55.45 | Bounty | hey |
| 22:55.46 | Bounty | what about |
| 22:55.51 | Bounty | pick each integer or player |
| 22:55.55 | Bounty | are they good? |
| 22:56.00 | onetwo_WINNING | LOL jade |
| 22:56.02 | Bounty | i could use a while loop |
| 22:56.08 | Bounty | and have it pick each players unit |
| 22:56.11 | Bounty | to see if they are near anyone |
| 22:56.17 | Motive | And then write a visual basic GUI to interpolate the results and activate their system's remote control API and get a picture of the operator using his webcam! |
| 22:56.19 | Motive | do i win? |
| 22:56.26 | JademusSreg | "gooey" |
| 22:56.32 | JademusSreg | Gotta say it like that. |
| 22:56.35 | Bounty | Jade? |
| 22:56.38 | onetwo_WINNING | the funniest thing for me is how hackers always have a nice interface and NEVER encouter bugs, they can jsut hack anything |
| 22:56.38 | Queen_WINNING | I am looking for a good gaming laptop (i know i'll be spending more since its a laptop) my price range is about 1,000-1300. Which one should i get? http://www.newegg.com/Store/SubCategory.aspx?SubCategory=32&name=Laptops-Notebooks&Pagesize=100 |
| 22:56.52 | JademusSreg | Bouty, just iterate across units that can experience collision. |
| 22:56.56 | onetwo_WINNING | i honestly wouldnt recommend a laptop |
| 22:57.00 | Motive | ^ |
| 22:57.01 | onetwo_WINNING | i used to do that queen |
| 22:57.02 | onetwo_WINNING | and get pissed off |
| 22:57.03 | Bounty | what do u mean Jade |
| 22:57.04 | Motive | laptops are bad for gaming |
| 22:57.05 | Motive | :( |
| 22:57.06 | onetwo_WINNING | caus its never as good |
| 22:57.16 | onetwo_WINNING | macbook is not bad for 1100 tbh |
| 22:57.19 | onetwo_WINNING | just bootcamp windows |
| 22:57.26 | onetwo_WINNING | but i havent bought laptop in few years |
| 22:57.27 | Queen_WINNING | of course they aren't but my job is mobile but I have some downtime to play games |
| 22:57.30 | onetwo_WINNING | oh |
| 22:58.11 | Queen_WINNING | im restricted to laptop for my lifestyle so knowing that im going to be spending at least $400 extra =/ |
| 22:58.17 | JademusSreg | Bounty, be clear about what you want to happen; What is the purpose, the desired effect? |
| 22:58.31 | JademusSreg | And then I shall explain how to do it. |
| 22:58.51 | Bounty | i just need to check distance between units |
| 22:59.09 | Bounty | http://pastebin.com/ami2j7dY |
| 22:59.11 | Bounty | yeah? |
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| 23:00.32 | JademusSreg | Is that what you implemented and is now causing problems? |
| 23:00.36 | Bounty | no |
| 23:00.42 | Bounty | i use triggers atm, one per player |
| 23:00.54 | Bounty | i tried to make it one trigger but it didnt work |
| 23:01.43 | JademusSreg | I don't do GUI voodoo though; it is agonizing to read that. |
| 23:03.22 | Motive | bounty |
| 23:03.26 | Motive | awesome optimization for collision checks |
| 23:03.32 | Motive | since they run every second or something |
| 23:03.34 | Motive | instead of doing |
| 23:03.44 | Bounty | that would work? |
| 23:03.54 | Bounty | bc its firing way to many triggers with my old method |
| 23:03.55 | Bounty | like |
| 23:03.57 | Motive | sqrt((x1-x2)^2 + (y1-y2)^2) |
| 23:03.58 | Motive | do |
| 23:04.02 | Bounty | i have trigger debugger running |
| 23:04.07 | Bounty | and its insane |
| 23:04.09 | Bounty | how many are firing |
| 23:04.17 | Motive | (x1-x2)^2 + (y1-y2)^2 <= collisionradius^2 |
| 23:04.19 | Motive | sqrt is slow |
| 23:04.20 | Motive | :) |
| 23:04.41 | Motive | might help with performance |
| 23:08.25 | JademusSreg | So I'm starting work on a Cat n Mouse style game, loosly inspired by OneTwo's map. |
| 23:08.28 | Skittles | just me or is youtube being slow since yesterday? |
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| 23:08.43 | Skittles | if you make cnm I think you should do this: |
| 23:08.58 | Skittles | Have upgrades to add spinecrawlers to the ultralisks back |
| 23:08.59 | Skittles | =D |
| 23:09.04 | Skittles | that only attack buildings ofc |
| 23:11.56 | Motive | I'm tempted to recruit rodrigo for my latest project |
| 23:11.58 | Motive | his UI design is legendary |
| 23:12.00 | Motive | Lol |
| 23:12.55 | Shawn|Rawr | He won't help you |
| 23:13.01 | Shawn|Rawr | He doesn't help anyone but himself |
| 23:13.07 | Shawn|Rawr | >.> |
| 23:14.50 | onetwo_WINNING | ill let him put debates on my map icon |
| 23:14.51 | onetwo_WINNING | lol |
| 23:15.09 | Shawn|Rawr | That will get him for sure |
| 23:15.39 | Shawn|Rawr | especially since i hear your map is getting popular |
| 23:15.43 | onetwo_WINNING | lol i just got a ProzaicMuze on sc2mapster from some guy asking what my new icon with winning means |
| 23:17.29 | onetwo_WINNING | a PM ^ |
| 23:18.36 | grim001 | so now the topsort algorithm can either almost finish or finish with garbled results |
| 23:18.41 | grim001 | I guess that's progress |
| 23:18.45 | Motive | haha |
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| 23:20.57 | Queen_WINNING | oh btw, did you read my stories onetwo_Winning? |
| 23:22.31 | onetwo_WINNING | WHAT |
| 23:22.33 | onetwo_WINNING | LINK |
| 23:22.43 | Motive | psh you newbs |
| 23:22.47 | Bounty | i may as well make a new map at this point lol |
| 23:22.51 | Bounty | this is absolutely rididculas |
| 23:22.59 | Motive_Winning | do I win now too? |
| 23:23.07 | onetwo_WINNING | duh winner |
| 23:23.08 | Bounty | the limitations on unit enters distance of unit is fucking bullshit |
| 23:23.08 | Motive_Winning | oh wait |
| 23:23.15 | Motive_WINNER | ;D |
| 23:23.29 | Queen_WINNING | its a PM onetwo |
| 23:23.38 | Queen_WINNING | about ur RPG |
| 23:23.39 | onetwo_WINNING | a prozaicmuze |
| 23:23.48 | Queen_WINNING | yes a prozaicmuze |
| 23:23.56 | onetwo_WINNING | gnight. i might update some other time |
| 23:23.58 | onetwo_WINNING | thats the last one i got |
| 23:24.26 | onetwo_WINNING | oh wait |
| 23:24.28 | onetwo_WINNING | i scrolled up |
| 23:24.31 | onetwo_WINNING | thats weird |
| 23:24.44 | AxlYin | omg |
| 23:24.48 | AxlYin | there's a onetwo in here |
| 23:24.57 | AxlYin | adfasdklfjf correction there was |
| 23:25.04 | AxlYin | OWAITNO HE HERE |
| 23:25.07 | AxlYin | HAI ONETWO |
| 23:25.18 | AxlYin | omg sixen too |
| 23:25.49 | onetwo_WINNING | duh winning |
| 23:25.56 | AxlYin | wassup meng :D |
| 23:26.04 | Motive_WINNER | i r winnar |
| 23:26.09 | Motive_WINNER | winrar |
| 23:26.40 | AxlYin | so what's been up since ive been gone? (around 1 month after release) any new finds in the editor? anything spectacular other than the shit with the world of sc? |
| 23:26.46 | RipperRoo | hey does someone work with photoshop ?? |
| 23:27.09 | AxlYin | I'm a graphic designer :D |
| 23:27.11 | Sixen | lol |
| 23:27.22 | Queen_WINNING | Sixen, u should win too |
| 23:27.28 | onetwo_WINNING | sixens a winner |
| 23:27.30 | RipperRoo | i need your help !^^ |
| 23:27.37 | RipperRoo | i am in full window mode |
| 23:27.40 | AxlYin | watchuneed? |
| 23:27.40 | Sixen | lol |
| 23:27.43 | onetwo_WINNING | thats winning too |
| 23:27.45 | onetwo_WINNING | anyway |
| 23:27.45 | RipperRoo | and my escape key is broken |
| 23:27.49 | RipperRoo | and i cant get out^^ |
| 23:27.51 | AxlYin | ANSWER ME ONETWO |
| 23:27.55 | onetwo_WINNING | queen the one that stood out to me is Time RPG (temporary title) |
| 23:27.58 | AxlYin | hrm |
| 23:28.08 | AxlYin | alt enter? |
| 23:28.12 | Queen_WINNING | aah u didn't like my 1st story =( |
| 23:28.13 | RipperRoo | -.- |
| 23:28.16 | AxlYin | save and ctrl w? |
| 23:28.18 | Sixen | I'll brb :cx |
| 23:28.23 | Queen_WINNING | the Time one has TONS of potential replayability |
| 23:28.25 | onetwo_WINNING | a lot of the ideas are great (especially first one, although it seems dungeon siege), but they are for 1-time adventure games |
| 23:28.29 | onetwo_WINNING | which im trying to make more an MMO style |
| 23:28.31 | onetwo_WINNING | replay game |
| 23:28.33 | AxlYin | i can't rememeber the KS for getting out of it lol |
| 23:28.37 | RipperRoo | how save if i cant get out of full screen |
| 23:28.40 | RipperRoo | damnit^^ |
| 23:28.41 | onetwo_WINNING | i wouldnt write off your other ideas though |
| 23:28.49 | AxlYin | cntrl s |
| 23:29.03 | AxlYin | so do cntrl s cntrl w |
| 23:29.14 | AxlYin | or alt f4 :U |
| 23:29.30 | RipperRoo | ok ctrl w helped |
| 23:29.30 | RipperRoo | thx |
| 23:29.32 | Hati | pew pew |
| 23:29.33 | AxlYin | yarp |
| 23:29.36 | Queen_WINNING | any mmo is good to go by simply adding a 'conflict of interest' |
| 23:29.43 | AxlYin | lol |
| 23:29.49 | AxlYin | black vs white? |
| 23:29.59 | Queen_WINNING | terran invaded a protoss land and theres a struggle to maintain control |
| 23:30.05 | Queen_WINNING | etc |
| 23:30.22 | AxlYin | omg lol i have to use my auth in map edit?! lawl! |
| 23:30.22 | Queen_WINNING | the backbone of the story will be a neverending conflict |
| 23:30.29 | Queen_WINNING | and you can jst simply add tons of quests with it |
| 23:30.46 | onetwo_WINNING | hmm k |
| 23:30.57 | AxlYin | onetwo are there any new really nice guides/toolkits or item sets out since i left? |
| 23:31.19 | Queen_WINNING | but i'd like to see you try to attempt the Time RPG one |
| 23:31.42 | onetwo_WINNING | sent some prozaicmuzes |
| 23:31.44 | onetwo_WINNING | with my thoughts |
| 23:31.56 | Queen_WINNING | i'll send a prozaicmuze later 2day |
| 23:32.01 | onetwo_WINNING | k |
| 23:32.10 | onetwo_WINNING | i think i have to let go of lost planet/survivors rpg |
| 23:32.11 | AxlYin | wait..... whatabout muze? |
| 23:32.14 | onetwo_WINNING | all my 6 months of data work |
| 23:32.17 | onetwo_WINNING | and go fresh |
| 23:32.31 | onetwo_WINNING | and fantasy |
| 23:32.38 | AxlYin | god i shoudl have never stoped deving maps |
| 23:32.46 | onetwo_WINNING | lol |
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| 23:32.58 | Bounty | Jademussreg |
| 23:33.00 | Bounty | u there? |
| 23:33.30 | AxlYin | i was working on an assassins creed brotherhood esque map before AC:B came out lol |
| 23:33.35 | onetwo_WINNING | lol |
| 23:33.42 | AxlYin | and my hero map |
| 23:33.48 | AxlYin | omg why did i stop x.x.x.x.x. |
| 23:34.00 | JademusSreg | Hi. |
| 23:34.06 | AxlYin | i have to find my damn notepad >< |
| 23:34.13 | AxlYin | had everything i was planning |
| 23:34.17 | Bounty | log on Jade |
| 23:34.20 | Bounty | this is it |
| 23:34.22 | Bounty | if this doesnt work |
| 23:34.25 | JademusSreg | Alright. |
| 23:34.25 | Bounty | this map is done for |
| 23:34.36 | JademusSreg | Don't you test this stuff in single player? =) |
| 23:35.04 | Bounty | thats not the problem though |
| 23:35.11 | Bounty | this stutter only happens online |
| 23:35.12 | Bounty | we could use more ppl.. |
| 23:35.38 | Bounty | and we wont get anymore ppl either |
| 23:35.51 | Bounty | its pretty sad that i can literally only put one fucking person on my beta testers list lol |
| 23:35.53 | Bounty | and thats u |
| 23:36.23 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 23:36.42 | JademusSreg | It said there was an error,. |
| 23:36.42 | Demo | +onetwo: gotta applaud the bank protection |
| 23:36.52 | Demo | YUR N ERRORZ |
| 23:37.04 | JademusSreg | Urine errors? Oh shi |
| 23:37.09 | Motive_WINNER | My God |
| 23:37.09 | Motive_WINNER | the horror |
| 23:37.11 | *** join/#sc2mapster Dryeyece (4252093d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.82.9.61) |
| 23:37.14 | Motive_WINNER | Did it come out red? |
| 23:37.14 | Motive_WINNER | Or worse |
| 23:37.15 | Motive_WINNER | BLUE? |
| 23:37.28 | Bounty | it says ur alrdy in a matchmaking Jade |
| 23:37.29 | onetwo_WINNING | what Demo ? |
| 23:37.46 | JademusSreg | Bounty, I'm not. |
| 23:37.53 | Bounty | relog |
| 23:38.17 | JademusSreg | Try to not invite me instantly. =) |
| 23:38.35 | JademusSreg | Bnet2 is buggy, it gets confused easily. |
| 23:38.53 | Demo | I was looking through your stuffs |
| 23:38.55 | Demo | I like it |
| 23:39.17 | Shawn|Rawr | His bank? |
| 23:39.28 | Shawn|Rawr | the: 777777777777x777777777777g77777777777h7777777777777d777777777777777dfdkgnds77777777 |
| 23:39.55 | Queen_WINNING | winning |
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| 23:42.46 | TobinBi-Winning | Win here, win there. |
| 23:43.17 | onetwo_WINNING | lol |
| 23:43.32 | onetwo_WINNING | theres no way my bank could be that long |
| 23:43.44 | Shawn|Rawr | From your RPG |
| 23:43.46 | Shawn|Rawr | ? |
| 23:43.47 | onetwo_WINNING | oh |
| 23:43.50 | Demo | specifically targeting the DETECTING ONE PLAYER |
| 23:43.53 | onetwo_WINNING | that too i guess |
| 23:44.17 | onetwo_WINNING | its pretty funny |
| 23:44.25 | onetwo_WINNING | in pris rebel i had to do no saving for any games <= 3 players |
| 23:44.29 | onetwo_WINNING | people would farm games with eachother |
| 23:44.31 | onetwo_WINNING | so dumb |
| 23:45.40 | onetwo_WINNING | is there a scroll view in dialog? |
| 23:45.46 | onetwo_WINNING | like a scrolling dialog window? |
| 23:45.55 | Shawn|Rawr | I've seen a chatbox using it |
| 23:46.03 | Shawn|Rawr | Not sure exactly how it works |
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| 23:46.46 | onetwo_WINNING | like i want to make an achievement system |
| 23:46.50 | onetwo_WINNING | with an icon and text on the right |
| 23:46.56 | onetwo_WINNING | in a scroller |
| 23:47.04 | onetwo_WINNING | on a dialog |
| 23:47.20 | Demo | well then I think you did that unintentionally then one |
| 23:47.37 | Demo | theres no bank encryption that can prevent memory editing |
| 23:47.46 | onetwo_WINNING | ah |
| 23:47.50 | onetwo_WINNING | lol |
| 23:47.59 | onetwo_WINNING | well |
| 23:48.01 | onetwo_WINNING | at that point |
| 23:48.05 | onetwo_WINNING | id need to spend multi millions |
| 23:48.11 | onetwo_WINNING | like blizz does |
| 23:48.16 | onetwo_WINNING | and even then chinese farmers get through on WoW |
| 23:49.06 | Shawn|Rawr | don't go anywhere onetwo |
| 23:49.10 | Shawn|Rawr | ^__^ |
| 23:49.35 | onetwo_WINNING | lol |
| 23:49.40 | A1win | any brilliant ideas for a mech rpg? o: |
| 23:50.20 | onetwo_WINNING | make it so youre all warriors |
| 23:50.22 | onetwo_WINNING | you could call it.. |
| 23:50.24 | onetwo_WINNING | mech warrior! |
| 23:50.28 | A1win | :O |
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| 23:51.34 | A1win | I'm not really into mechs but at least gameplay will be a bit different than in a traditional RPG where you grind exp and farm gear for a character |
| 23:52.06 | Queen_WINNING | describe what you want for your mech rpg? |
| 23:52.22 | A1win | I mean there's still farming and grinding but the things you get by those are a bit different :P |
| 23:52.49 | onetwo_WINNING | all i want is to win |
| 23:52.49 | Skizot | :| |
| 23:53.21 | Queen_WINNING | k who wants to test my map |
| 23:53.25 | A1win | each player has a mech (goliath for now), you kill enemies for loot and money, and upgrade the mech with different kinds of plating, weapons, engines, etc |
| 23:53.44 | A1win | was thinking to give each of those "addon slots" where you can put stuff that give you different kinds of abilities |
| 23:53.47 | Queen_WINNING | its called WINNING. The mode will be: Charlie Sheen |
| 23:54.25 | Queen_WINNING | oh that sounds interesting A1win |
| 23:54.31 | A1win | like you can add a transport module that decreases your cargo size but lets you load a bunch of mercenaries and load them back |
| 23:55.11 | onetwo_WINNING | make it better than star battle |
| 23:55.12 | onetwo_WINNING | please |
| 23:55.13 | Queen_WINNING | It seems to me like you have a good grasp on how you want your map to look like |
| 23:55.13 | A1win | I already created an inventory system for it today, can pick up and drop items and it displays them as a list, same types of item stack into one list item etc. |
| 23:55.45 | A1win | yea I have a pretty nice basic idea of what it will have, just trying to think of anything I might have missed |
| 23:55.45 | onetwo_WINNING | lol Queen |
| 23:55.48 | onetwo_WINNING | id sponsor you on that map |
| 23:57.05 | A1win | another idea was that you can choose your pilot and technician, each with slightly varying attributes, and the pilot will determine the mech's portrait & sounds :P |
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| 23:57.31 | A1win | technician analyzes combat and slowly upgrades (levels up) your damage and maybe something else |
| 23:58.11 | A1win | or maybe different kinds of technicians, some upgrade your damage, some armor/regeneration, etc. |
| 23:59.36 | Bounty | where the fuck am i gonna find enough ppl Jade lol |
| 23:59.38 | JademusSreg | My 6 year old thought the map was cool, Bounty. |
| 23:59.40 | Bounty | do u have friends? :) |
| 23:59.43 | Bounty | oh thanks |
| 23:59.44 | Bounty | >< |
