IRC log for #sc2mapster on 20110312

`00:00.12`	`tordy`	`unless you're one of those crazy people that can solve it in less than 15 seconds`
`00:00.16`	`tordy`	`faster than people can input colors into the solver`
`00:00.35`	`Saeris1`	`anyways, afk`
`00:01.57`	`tordy`	`is there a way to change the player color of a unit but not the actual player owner?`
`00:02.03`	`JManV`	`been trying to think of interesting ways stream can be used with map making`
`00:02.03`	`tordy`	`tinting doesnt work`
`00:02.08`	`Motive_`	`Yes, tordy`
`00:02.11`	`tordy`	`because it tints over the original player color`
`00:02.11`	`Motive_`	`:)`
`00:02.16`	`Motive_`	`UnitSetTeamColorIndex`
`00:02.17`	`Motive_`	`or something like that`
`00:02.21`	`tordy`	`>:)`
`00:02.26`	`JManV`	`wondering if ppl would be interested in a streamed Q&A map making session`
`00:02.39`	`JManV`	`like IRC, but streamed`
`00:02.40`	`Motive_`	`I was debating doing something like that`
`00:02.42`	`Motive_`	`casting map making`
`00:02.42`	`Motive_`	`Lol`
`00:02.50`	`tordy`	`XX`
`00:02.52`	`tordy`	`XD`
`00:02.58`	`JManV`	`yeah, that could be interesting too`
`00:03.05`	`JManV`	`just making a map and talking about what you're doing`
`00:03.19`	`tordy`	`Woah he's creating a trigger that executes not one but TWO threads!`
`00:03.20`	`JManV`	`but slow paced`
`00:03.40`	`tordy`	`so much damage!`
`00:03.41`	`onetwo`	`map making is too slow for casting imo`
`00:03.50`	`JManV`	`yeah, that's what i'm thinking`
`00:03.58`	`JManV`	`but answering FAQs might not be`
`00:04.10`	`onetwo`	`faq you`
`00:04.13`	`onetwo`	`lol`
`00:04.18`	`JManV`	`go faq yourself!`
`00:04.19`	`onetwo`	`i spent an hour coming up with that joke`
`00:04.38`	`JManV`	`you were just waiting for someone to say "FAQ"?`
`00:05.22`	`tordy`	`now that avogatro is gone`
`00:06.27`	`JManV`	`ooo... must death haven`
`00:06.32`	`tordy`	`what's that`
`00:07.07`	`onetwo`	`what?`
`00:07.07`	`JManV`	`map night tonight`
`00:07.11`	`JManV`	`added death haven to the list`
`00:07.43`	`onetwo`	`whoa cool :D`
`00:07.57`	`wOlfLinG`	`So does anyone know how I get an archon to fire a continuous beam like the void ray without it looking stupid?`
`00:08.00`	`JManV`	`feel free to join us :)`
`00:08.07`	`onetwo`	`i might depending on time`
`00:08.09`	`onetwo`	`probably later`
`00:08.11`	`onetwo`	`how late you go`
`00:08.22`	`JManV`	`2-4 am prolly`
`00:08.27`	`JManV`	`eastern`
`00:08.28`	`onetwo`	`oh nice`
`00:08.42`	`JManV`	`so like 10-midnight your time`
`00:12.27`	`tordy`	`what's the best way to by default make free-solve`
`00:13.10`	`Skittles`	`back`
`00:13.22`	`tordy`	`hello m&ms`
`00:13.30`	`Skittles`	`Hello ydrot`
`00:15.52`	`Skittles`	`so jmanv are we gonna get that ulose kid? =P`
`00:16.20`	`JManV`	`i'm gonna talk to him if he joins`
`00:16.20`	`*** join/#sc2mapster poiuy_qwert (~poiuy_qwe@unaffiliated/poiuy-qwert/x-0506151)`
`00:16.21`	`Skittles`	`lol`
`00:16.22`	`Skittles`	`Talk to him to shut up?`
`00:16.23`	`Skittles`	`xd`
`00:16.28`	`JManV`	`he can't be vetoing games, that's against the spirit of map night`
`00:16.45`	`Skittles`	`yea`
`00:16.46`	`Dryeyece`	`wOlfLinG`
`00:16.57`	`Dryeyece`	`The archon has a channel animation so its totally doable`
`00:17.15`	`Skittles`	`onetwo u there`
`00:17.20`	`Dryeyece`	`you just need a persistent effect to create your damage effect and use the persistent to create the beam`
`00:17.37`	`Skittles`	`how do beams work anyway?`
`00:17.37`	`JademusSreg`	`Hi. I'm still working on my cabinets.`
`00:17.42`	`Skittles`	`Can u make them with anything?`
`00:17.46`	`Skittles`	`Or is it to attachment points?`
`00:17.52`	`Skittles`	`two*`
`00:17.55`	`Dryeyece`	`beams are explosions basically they work he same way`
`00:18.04`	`Skittles`	`uuh`
`00:18.08`	`Skittles`	`>.>`
`00:18.10`	`Skittles`	`<.<`
`00:18.14`	`JademusSreg`	`Jman, I should be available for map night after I'm done.`
`00:18.16`	`Dryeyece`	`you kow how you create a explosion at effect`
`00:18.20`	`Dryeyece`	`well you do beams the samw ay`
`00:18.31`	`Skittles`	`But can beams be anything at all?`
`00:18.42`	`Skittles`	`like say, zerglings? <3`
`00:18.44`	`Dryeyece`	`u use a beam actor for the beam and an action actor to control it`
`00:18.50`	`Dryeyece`	`no`
`00:19.02`	`Skittles`	`aws`
`00:19.11`	`Dryeyece`	`but you could prolly get a lot of them too`
`00:19.49`	`Skittles`	`oh wells.`
`00:20.02`	`Skittles`	`Could I make lightning a beam?`
`00:20.14`	`Dryeyece`	`why not`
`00:20.20`	`Dryeyece`	`there are plenty of beams that look like them`
`00:20.20`	`Skittles`	`mk`
`00:20.31`	`Dryeyece`	`theres even one that is vertical`
`00:20.44`	`Skittles`	`thanks.`
`00:20.45`	`Skittles`	`@.@`
`00:20.48`	`Skittles`	`vertical @.@`
`00:20.53`	`Dryeyece`	`the best way to use the vertical one whos name I forget is as a model addition actor attached to someones overhead attachment point`
`00:20.57`	`wOlfLinG`	`Dryeyece I'm using the Dark Archon model :(. Which doesn't seem to have a channel anim`
`00:20.59`	`Dryeyece`	`looks exactly like a lightning strike`
`00:21.09`	`Dryeyece`	`use the archon and tint it yellow`
`00:21.13`	`Dryeyece`	`or`
`00:21.27`	`Dryeyece`	`play the dark archons animation on a timescale below 1`
`00:21.49`	`Dryeyece`	`the lower the time scale the slower he will play the animation but it will still have an end it wont just last forever`
`00:22.11`	`Dryeyece`	`or`
`00:22.16`	`Skittles`	`I use triggers + data`
`00:22.19`	`Dryeyece`	`you can attach another model to the archon as a turret`
`00:22.23`	`Skittles`	`Like I made a fiery beam already`
`00:22.24`	`Dryeyece`	`I use 100% data`
`00:22.38`	`Dryeyece`	`so I cant help you 8)`
`00:22.44`	`Skittles`	`I didn't need it :p`
`00:22.50`	`Skittles`	`Was just wondering if anything could be a beam.`
`00:22.51`	`Skittles`	`Xd`
`00:23.21`	`onetwo`	`im not good at beams`
`00:23.25`	`Dryeyece`	`maybe not necessarily a beam but anything can be your attack and or launch effects visual`
`00:23.28`	`onetwo`	`i only know how to duplicate probe beam, use that for any beam i need`
`00:23.32`	`onetwo`	`then just specify that beam in an attack actor`
`00:23.36`	`Dryeyece`	`lol`
`00:23.42`	`onetwo`	`i dont know how to use beams without the attack actor`
`00:23.49`	`Dryeyece`	`all you gotta do to change the beam one is change the model`
`00:23.52`	`Skittles`	`onetwo`
`00:23.56`	`onetwo`	`you look at the medivac/medic beam actors`
`00:23.57`	`Skittles`	`reply to my reply`
`00:23.57`	`Skittles`	`http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/2228223155?page=1#31`
`00:23.58`	`onetwo`	`its like wtf`
`00:24.01`	`Skittles`	`so it bumps :p`
`00:24.10`	`onetwo`	`i already did`
`00:24.12`	`onetwo`	`get someone else`
`00:24.12`	`onetwo`	`lol`
`00:24.20`	`onetwo`	`plus also im a thread killer`
`00:24.22`	`Dryeyece`	`yeah I dunno how to do it without an action actor either`
`00:24.24`	`onetwo`	`most threads i post on die`
`00:24.35`	`Skittles`	`haha`
`00:24.39`	`Dryeyece`	`but I can use an action actor to stick a beam to anything`
`00:24.40`	`onetwo`	`cause i provide little fight`
`00:24.44`	`onetwo`	`i make sense`
`00:24.44`	`Skittles`	`Hmm, it's actually not to far down`
`00:24.47`	`onetwo`	`so everyone agrees and doesnt post`
`00:24.51`	`Skittles`	`wonder why no one has posted anything`
`00:24.59`	`Skittles`	`egod had a lot of comments @.@`
`00:25.04`	`Skittles`	`and his is >.>`
`00:25.13`	`Dryeyece`	`I have some spell effects in my game that are comprised of several beams aimed at sseveral location for form all kinds of visual effects`
`00:25.37`	`Skittles`	`Or your name just confused them and they count it over and over until their heads explode.`
`00:25.38`	`Dryeyece`	`to form*`
`00:30.14`	`*** join/#sc2mapster MaxMode (~Adium@ip184-187-175-87.sb.sd.cox.net)`
`00:32.20`	`Skittles`	`jmanv`
`00:32.27`	`Skittles`	`sc2mapnight the channel name?`
`00:32.34`	`JManV`	`yes`
`00:32.36`	`Skittles`	`kk`
`00:35.04`	`JManV`	`sixen: stream in 30?`
`00:35.31`	`JManV`	`http://www.ustream.tv/channel/jmanv`
`00:36.23`	`Sixen`	`got it`
`00:37.16`	`tordy`	`i thought about making a coop defense survival map that has continuous spawns`
`00:37.21`	`tordy`	`random spawns`
`00:37.31`	`tordy`	`but at each point there may be bosses`
`00:38.02`	`tordy`	`perhaps a large resting period between stuff`
`00:38.14`	`tordy`	`it was for a helms deep type of map`
`00:38.21`	`JManV`	`i'm laggng :(`
`00:38.25`	`tordy`	`but it was a bit more`
`00:38.26`	`tordy`	`D:`
`00:38.39`	`tordy`	`thought about making one during summer but go too lazy`
`00:39.04`	`tordy`	`anyone here have experience w/ lag thresholds?`
`00:39.16`	`tordy`	`like a 10 player map`
`00:39.26`	`tordy`	`how many units on the map at once will cause significant lag?`
`00:39.32`	`tordy`	`need an approx #`
`00:39.45`	`tordy`	`will 500 units be ok?`
`00:39.48`	`tordy`	`or too much?`
`00:39.49`	`JManV`	`hmmm. speed test comes back normal`
`00:39.55`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`My comp breaks at about 400`
`00:40.00`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`And it sucks`
`00:40.00`	`tordy`	`yikes`
`00:40.15`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Ya, i have a POS cmop`
`00:40.15`	`tordy`	`not even looking at them?`
`00:40.25`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`If you can't see them, then its ok`
`00:40.28`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`i think`
`00:40.53`	`tordy`	`need to find that number`
`00:40.54`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Are you still planning on making that map?`
`00:40.59`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Like.. now/`
`00:41.01`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`?`
`00:41.03`	`tordy`	`mayb`
`00:41.28`	`tordy`	`what sets it apart from other defense maps is it's continuous waves, but it does get more difficult randomly`
`00:41.47`	`tordy`	`say it'll add one armor attribute 3 minutes in for a specific enemy unit`
`00:41.54`	`tordy`	`then 4 minutes in it'll 1 damage etc`
`00:41.57`	`tordy`	`all random`
`00:42.01`	`tordy`	`but it should all balance out in the end`
`00:42.08`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`too much random kills the skill needed`
`00:42.14`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`so you need to be careful`
`00:42.16`	`tordy`	`yea`
`00:42.22`	`tordy`	`if it picks +1 armor`
`00:42.28`	`tordy`	`the chance of getting +1 armor again will be reduced`
`00:42.38`	`tordy`	`so im using a weighted random system`
`00:42.52`	`tordy`	`which is already implemented in beta (like june?)`
`00:43.16`	`tordy`	`dont want the randomness to stray too much`
`00:43.56`	`tordy`	`players play as heroes`
`00:43.58`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`You NA tordy?`
`00:44.02`	`tordy`	`yea`
`00:44.10`	`tordy`	`i oriignally thought of it as a helms deep defense`
`00:44.20`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Hmm.. if you need help, let me know`
`00:44.30`	`tordy`	`where players can pick as gimli, aragorn, legolas, the king, (and other heroes too)`
`00:44.40`	`tordy`	`like frodo even though he was actually at the battle of helms deep`
`00:44.43`	`tordy`	`frodo has the ring to`
`00:44.50`	`tordy`	`which can cause devestating damage`
`00:44.59`	`tordy`	`but if he uses it too much, wraiths will come and screw up the players`
`00:45.13`	`tordy`	`they'll level up`
`00:45.14`	`tordy`	`there's a shop`
`00:45.23`	`tordy`	`and playerse can pick up raw materials`
`00:45.27`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Could use the Nova effect from the artifact or something`
`00:45.29`	`tordy`	`for forging better eqipment`
`00:45.31`	`tordy`	`yea`
`00:45.36`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Maybe make that a Gandalf thing`
`00:45.38`	`tordy`	`i had that same exact idea`
`00:45.40`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Or something idk`
`00:45.59`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`The nova reminds me of when gandalf came in riding a white horse`
`00:46.06`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`And shined his light on everyone`
`00:46.08`	`tordy`	`they'll be a that "xelnaga artifact" power in the middle where players can use as a last reesort`
`00:46.18`	`tordy`	`it's not gonna be canonical to the story`
`00:46.25`	`tordy`	`i was planning to add everything in the lotr universe`
`00:46.27`	`tordy`	`inclding sauron`
`00:46.30`	`tordy`	`as the last bss or something`
`00:47.05`	`tordy`	`at something like 30 minutes in, gandalf will arrive`
`00:47.17`	`tordy`	`then that'll be the only time where players can rest`
`00:47.21`	`tordy`	`for like 5 minutes`
`00:47.24`	`tordy`	`rebuild`
`00:47.33`	`tordy`	`and then it gets super super difficult`
`00:47.51`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`+2 armor all around`
`00:47.53`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`>.>`
`00:47.58`	`tordy`	`not just that >:)`
`00:48.02`	`tordy`	`but new enemy spawns`
`00:48.10`	`tordy`	`and enemies spawning from behind!`
`00:48.24`	`tordy`	`and flying dragons`
`00:48.30`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`We'll see how they like it in the rear`
`00:48.33`	`*** join/#sc2mapster grim001 (~chatzilla@c-69-246-170-145.hsd1.fl.comcast.net)`
`00:48.35`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Lol.. giant mutas`
`00:48.38`	`tordy`	`yea`
`00:48.55`	`tordy`	`i cant figure how to implement ladders for enemies efficiently`
`00:49.00`	`tordy`	`so i was going to use overlords`
`00:49.02`	`grim001`	`so now I can control the script compile order with manual input, woo`
`00:49.09`	`tordy`	`to transport`
`00:49.11`	`tordy`	`over walls`
`00:49.16`	`tordy`	`playerse gotta shoot em down`
`00:49.23`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I would just make it so when the ladder is up, the region gives a reaper cliff jump ability`
`00:49.32`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`the ladder part im not so sure of`
`00:49.33`	`tordy`	`i planned to do that but it gets messy`
`00:49.49`	`tordy`	`since this is AI im dealing with here`
`00:50.05`	`tordy`	`how would i get them to pretend that part is a temporary pathable`
`00:50.06`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Right. Could figure something interesting out in time`
`00:50.11`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Wouldn't need it right away`
`00:50.14`	`tordy`	`yea`
`00:50.20`	`tordy`	`ill just use overlords for now`
`00:50.35`	`tordy`	`even gimli has long range`
`00:50.40`	`tordy`	`but his long range blows`
`00:50.48`	`tordy`	`so he wont be good at killing "ladders"`
`00:50.49`	`tordy`	`xd`
`00:51.22`	`tordy`	`no the last boss isnt sauron!`
`00:51.24`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`lol. destructible door + baneling`
`00:51.26`	`tordy`	`he's the 2nd last boss`
`00:51.31`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`gotta love banelings`
`00:51.38`	`tordy`	`so many banelings!`
`00:51.46`	`tordy`	`last boss is morgoth`
`00:51.51`	`tordy`	`and he'll be shaped like a teratron`
`00:52.02`	`tordy`	`helms deep in space better`
`00:52.40`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`lol. gandalf in a space suit`
`00:53.42`	`Motive_`	`map night :D`
`00:53.42`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`there is actually a dark high templar`
`00:53.49`	`tordy`	`yes`
`00:53.55`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`MAP NIGHT?!!??!?!`
`00:53.57`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Oh..`
`00:53.59`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`ya.`
`00:54.03`	`tordy`	`yea the opposite of gandalf`
`00:54.10`	`tordy`	`what's his name again`
`00:54.20`	`JManV`	`map night starting soon`
`00:54.25`	`JManV`	`meeting in sc2mapnight`
`00:54.44`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I might be there later, but not likely`
`00:54.50`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`>.>`
`00:54.51`	`tordy`	`they fought in 2 towers`
`00:55.01`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`saurumon`
`00:55.07`	`tordy`	`sarumon there we go`
`00:55.09`	`tordy`	`he'll be there too`
`00:55.15`	`tordy`	`prob 3rd last boss or some shit`
`00:55.26`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`What about the flame beast thing?`
`00:55.31`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I suck at names too`
`00:55.32`	`tordy`	`somethin early`
`00:56.30`	`tordy`	`ancalagon`
`00:56.31`	`tordy`	`the black!`
`00:56.36`	`tordy`	`fellbeasts`
`00:56.55`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I like the urukhai most`
`00:56.56`	`tordy`	`nazgul eventually`
`00:57.05`	`tordy`	`urukhai will be the standard zerg unit`
`00:57.14`	`tordy`	`maybe a commander as a boss later on`
`00:57.17`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`not orcs or goblins?`
`00:57.27`	`tordy`	`them too i guess`
`00:57.36`	`tordy`	`weaker versions of urukhai`
`00:57.41`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`lol. It's your choice really`
`00:57.58`	`tordy`	`i wanna put as much lotr characters in it`
`00:58.02`	`Motive_`	`come on people, SC2 Map night North America`
`00:58.06`	`Motive_`	`in 3 minutes`
`00:58.06`	`tordy`	`even though i havent really read lotr`
`00:58.07`	`Motive_`	`:P`
`00:58.11`	`Motive_`	`join channel "sc2mapnight"`
`00:58.12`	`tordy`	`much`
`00:58.16`	`tordy`	`i got a lotr guy to consult anyway`
`00:58.24`	`tordy`	`and the wiki`
`00:58.25`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I watched the movies and thats good enough`
`00:59.46`	`tordy`	`aragon is dps`
`00:59.55`	`tordy`	`gimli is tank`
`01:00.01`	`tordy`	`legolas is range`
`01:00.12`	`tordy`	`frodo is "forbidden" magic and some melee dps`
`01:00.17`	`tordy`	`gandalf is magic`
`01:00.19`	`tordy`	`aoe`
`01:00.26`	`tordy`	`baromir is half tank/dps`
`01:00.27`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`haha.. you said it before i could`
`01:00.39`	`JManV`	`map night starting soon`
`01:00.39`	`tordy`	`faromir is half range/melee`
`01:00.44`	`tordy`	`and who else`
`01:00.47`	`tordy`	`the king`
`01:00.48`	`tordy`	`theodin`
`01:00.54`	`tordy`	`he'll be iunno cavalry`
`01:00.58`	`tordy`	`and`
`01:01.01`	`tordy`	`the guys w/ treants`
`01:01.12`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`The elf guy`
`01:01.14`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`?`
`01:01.16`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Test (c19f74dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.193.159.116.221)`
`01:01.18`	`tordy`	`nope`
`01:01.21`	`tordy`	`but the elves will come`
`01:01.27`	`Motive_`	`anyone else for map night NA?`
`01:01.31`	`Motive_`	`"sc2mapnight" channel on SC2`
`01:01.32`	`tordy`	`they'll be assisting the players`
`01:01.33`	`tordy`	`like mid-way`
`01:01.34`	`tordy`	`and then die`
`01:01.38`	`tordy`	`after 30 min`
`01:01.42`	`Test`	`hi .. this channel is not on quakenet? i want to join with irc not with the webchat ^^`
`01:01.48`	`Motive_`	`freenode`
`01:01.49`	`Motive_`	`not quakenet`
`01:01.58`	`tordy`	`ah the re we go`
`01:02.02`	`tordy`	`peragrin and meryl`
`01:02.04`	`tordy`	`those two`
`01:02.09`	`tordy`	`they can summon treants`
`01:02.16`	`tordy`	`and other wildlife`
`01:02.20`	`tordy`	`like a bear`
`01:02.23`	`tordy`	`whatever`
`01:02.27`	`tordy`	`not canonical`
`01:02.38`	`tordy`	`they'll summon a carrier`
`01:02.57`	`tordy`	`FOR ROHAN`
`01:03.05`	`Test`	`ok ill try getting connected to freenode ^^ than ill be back with irc thanks motive :)`
`01:03.22`	`tordy`	`you can play as everyone from the fellow ship`
`01:03.24`	`tordy`	`Frodo Â· Sam Â· Merry Â· Pippin Â· Gandalf Â· Aragorn Â· Legolas Â· Gimli Â· Boromir`
`01:03.26`	`tordy`	`cept sam`
`01:03.27`	`tordy`	`sam sucks`
`01:03.50`	`tordy`	`in addition you can play as theodin and faramir and some black guy`
`01:04.47`	`tordy`	`lyou can forge mithril!`
`01:04.50`	`Sixen`	`Test: You're in the channel on freenode :x`
`01:04.54`	`tordy`	`make ultimate weapons and armor`
`01:05.06`	`tordy`	`but they only drop from high end enemies`
`01:05.16`	`Test`	`sixen thanks but i am with webchat... i ll try to configure my mIRC now to connect quakenet and freenode ^^`
`01:05.41`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`just stay on freenode. we're better anyway`
`01:05.44`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`:)`
`01:05.54`	`Sixen`	`Ah yeah :P`
`01:06.13`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Sixen, you should pay me to do something`
`01:06.21`	`Sixen`	`I could use a massage`
`01:06.33`	`Test`	`yes but i am in quakenet for my other communities ^^ i would only join freenode for sc2mapster :D`
`01:06.39`	`Sixen`	`:D`
`01:06.44`	`Vexal`	`hello.`
`01:07.10`	`tordy`	`froooodo baggins!!!`
`01:07.21`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Bounty (442d304d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.45.48.77)`
`01:07.25`	`Test`	`but already prepare for some hard questions.. and i dont want read an answere like "its not possible" or "u have to use triggers" :P`
`01:09.06`	`tordy`	`you talkin to me`
`01:09.17`	`tordy`	`you have to use triggers`
`01:09.41`	`Test`	`lol`
`01:13.17`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`USE TRIGGARS`
`01:13.21`	`*** join/#sc2mapster RipperRoo (~RipperRoo@pC19F74DD.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`01:13.28`	`RipperRoo`	`ahh here i am`
`01:13.30`	`RipperRoo`	`<-- test^^`
`01:13.37`	`onetwo`	`i liked the old test more`
`01:13.43`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Hah`
`01:13.48`	`Test`	`but ripperrooo is test 2.0`
`01:13.55`	`Test`	`ok i m quitting webchat :)`
`01:14.03`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`onJust like bnet 2.0 is better?`
`01:14.15`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`>.>`
`01:14.38`	`RipperRoo`	`ok no popularity system discussions now plz^^`
`01:15.13`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Bring on the Questions!`
`01:15.59`	`RipperRoo`	`yeah ok but let me think how i question them plz ... because i am new to the editor ^^`
`01:16.50`	`RipperRoo`	`ok lets start with that problem ^^`
`01:17.48`	`RipperRoo`	`i am having a unit morphing into another one... but on that i want the terran build construction animation.... ive got it done almost with a friend.. we were using the progress stuff like on the other buldings (or i think we are doing.. i got no clue about events)`
`01:18.14`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`That IS a hard question. I've never done it before`
`01:18.21`	`RipperRoo`	`but its missing the D start animation at the end + my turret is not moving anymore after i morphed .. but only since we ve done it with progreess`
`01:18.53`	`RipperRoo`	`when i was doing just a normal animation before, my turret was working fine`
`01:19.41`	`RipperRoo`	`if someone has got an idea i can send my map to him so he can maybe test or see the problem`
`01:21.59`	`RipperRoo`	`ok i think thats my easiest question... and it already killed all signs of living here (sorry for my terrible english btw...=`
`01:23.12`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Your engrish is fine`
`01:23.34`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I just don't know about that specific problem and a lot of people are at the map night right now`
`01:24.12`	`RipperRoo`	`you mean they are playing the animation sleep.m3 ? ^^`
`01:24.47`	`RipperRoo`	`ok maybe i can just ask the other questions maybe u know somethong about them`
`01:27.03`	`RipperRoo`	`my siege tank has 2 stances.. the tank and the sieged mode... if he morphs from tank mode to the new unit he can just do it... but if he should upgrade from sieged mode to the new unit, i wanted him to unsiege before.... someone got it down for me with effecty but i dont think it looks nice and tbh i dislike that the unsiege button shows that it is clicked....`
`01:27.32`	`RipperRoo`	`its hard to explain.. if u want to see it i can send the map^^`
`01:30.57`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Haha. I really am working on something complex atm. I would gladly look at it and help you normally but I'm all tied up with someone else`
`01:31.10`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`And i seem to be the only one here`
`01:31.28`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`besides sixen who loves to stare at irc and laugh at our lame jokes`
`01:31.40`	`RipperRoo`	`hmm ok thanks no problem ^^ so i just leav out the last question^^`
`01:32.03`	`RipperRoo`	`yeah sixen is troll.. he doesnt count ^^`
`01:32.05`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`lol. I'm really sorry`
`01:32.17`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I'm not usually this busy`
`01:32.20`	`Bounty`	`Hey`
`01:32.26`	`Bounty`	`Are there any Dx11 hacks yet?`
`01:32.42`	`Bounty`	`like, remember when dx10 came out and u could just use the dx10 hack if u had XP`
`01:32.59`	`Bounty`	`i wanna play Dragon Age 2 with Dx11 shit and i know my PC can run it but i dont have Windows 7 :(`
`01:33.16`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Whiskee (~IceChat7@93.37.33.42)`
`01:33.17`	`RipperRoo`	`shaw no problem u can help me tomorrow.. i added sc2mapster now to connect on startup list :P`
`01:34.54`	`JademusSreg`	`Woo.`
`01:35.42`	`Bounty`	`Jade`
`01:35.44`	`Bounty`	`u know of any?`
`01:36.33`	`Bounty`	`btw why the fuck does JMans stream lag so much lol`
`01:36.37`	`Bounty`	`is he actually playing like that?`
`01:37.26`	`onetwo`	`no`
`01:37.30`	`onetwo`	`just cheap streami`
`01:37.30`	`onetwo`	`i think`
`01:37.40`	`Bounty`	`why not use livestream?`
`01:37.44`	`Bounty`	`even i can do that lol`
`01:37.48`	`Bounty`	`btw onetwo`
`01:37.56`	`Bounty`	`do u know of any dx11 hacks?`
`01:38.04`	`Bounty`	`so i can play Dragon Age 2 with the Dx11 textures`
`01:39.51`	`onetwo`	`if it aint made by blizz or valve`
`01:39.53`	`onetwo`	`i dont know it`
`01:39.55`	`onetwo`	`lol`
`01:40.03`	`Bounty`	`lame lol`
`01:40.05`	`RipperRoo`	`maybe there is none because of the tesselation ? :S`
`01:40.08`	`Bounty`	`i need new video cards`
`01:40.16`	`Bounty`	`Two 4870's isnt cutting it anymore`
`01:40.37`	`onetwo`	`im on one 8800`
`01:40.38`	`Bounty`	`well it is actually but they are both 512mb cards and i run at 1080p :(`
`01:40.43`	`onetwo`	`sc2 beta killed my other 8800 from sli`
`01:41.00`	`Bounty`	`what settings do u run on`
`01:41.04`	`Bounty`	`for sc2`
`01:41.08`	`onetwo`	`1920x1080`
`01:41.11`	`onetwo`	`high about`
`01:41.12`	`Bounty`	`ultra?`
`01:41.34`	`RipperRoo`	`all max ^^`
`01:41.39`	`Bounty`	`im all ultra except textures, you would think two 512mb cards would = 1024 but sadly it doesnt work that way lol so i cant go beyond high for textures :(`
`01:41.43`	`onetwo`	`cant do ultra in big games`
`01:41.54`	`onetwo`	`can do it for testing/cines`
`01:41.56`	`onetwo`	`but thats about it`
`01:42.00`	`onetwo`	`well its not comfortable`
`01:42.01`	`onetwo`	`to play on ultra`
`01:42.18`	`Bounty`	`Two 512 cards in crossfire should equal 1024mb of memory`
`01:42.27`	`onetwo`	`nope`
`01:42.28`	`Bounty`	`never going crossfire or sli again lol`
`01:42.28`	`onetwo`	`too bad`
`01:42.29`	`onetwo`	`haha`
`01:42.30`	`RipperRoo`	`no way`
`01:42.30`	`onetwo`	`same`
`01:42.43`	`Bounty`	`400 bucks for an extra 20 fps`
`01:42.47`	`Bounty`	`SOMETIMES`
`01:42.47`	`onetwo`	`well it saved me`
`01:42.48`	`Bounty`	`><`
`01:42.48`	`onetwo`	`since one died`
`01:42.52`	`onetwo`	`i had a backup 8800`
`01:42.56`	`Bounty`	`lol yeah im waiting for that`
`01:43.06`	`Bounty`	`one of my 4870's is one of the originals`
`01:43.25`	`Bounty`	`aka if the fan isnt running at 50% or high it hits 80 degrees celcius IDLE`
`01:43.30`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`01:43.31`	`RipperRoo`	`i ve seen some benchmark results for crossfire stuff .. and it didnt do much :S`
`01:43.33`	`onetwo`	`our gfx cards are more ticking time bombs than an old man's prostate`
`01:43.43`	`Bounty`	`onetwo`
`01:43.49`	`Bounty`	`my power supply scares the shit out of me`
`01:44.07`	`Bounty`	`everytime i've turned on my computer for the last 2-3 years ive been waiting for it to explode`
`01:44.13`	`Bounty`	`one reason`
`01:44.19`	`Bounty`	`Its a Rocketfish`
`01:44.20`	`Bounty`	`=P`
`01:45.06`	`RipperRoo`	`so bounty u got any idea for my data event questions ?`
`01:45.20`	`Bounty`	`no clue what you're tlaking about`
`01:45.24`	`Bounty`	`but`
`01:45.32`	`Bounty`	`i can already tell you i dont know without looking at the question`
`01:45.36`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Demonette (5edd60de@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.221.96.222)`
`01:45.43`	`Bounty`	`<RipperRoo> so bounty u got any idea for my "DATA EVENT" questions ?`
`01:45.44`	`Demonette`	`I can't join EU map night anymore or?`
`01:45.49`	`Bounty`	`=P`
`01:46.03`	`Demonette`	`Mh?`
`01:46.19`	`Bounty`	`So`
`01:46.25`	`Demonette`	`Sou?`
`01:46.28`	`Bounty`	`how many of you would play an F-Zero styled racing game on sc2`
`01:46.31`	`RipperRoo`	`lol ok bounty`
`01:46.41`	`Demonette`	`What is F-Zero?`
`01:46.50`	`RipperRoo`	`i guess noone... u cannot simulate the speed within the sc2 :S`
`01:46.59`	`RipperRoo`	`it will be slow ass^^`
`01:47.07`	`Bounty`	`wanna bet?`
`01:47.12`	`RipperRoo`	`nope`
`01:47.18`	`Bounty`	`i alrdy have it made lol`
`01:47.23`	`Bounty`	`just gotta finish the track :)`
`01:47.30`	`RipperRoo`	`show me :S`
`01:47.41`	`Bounty`	`Bounty.820`
`01:47.42`	`RipperRoo`	`just make it circuit and show me^^`
`01:47.44`	`RipperRoo`	`k`
`01:47.53`	`Bounty`	`sec gotta upload`
`01:48.00`	`Bounty`	`it uses my new 99% lagless wasd to :)`
`01:48.10`	`JademusSreg`	`Bounty, will it be playable for map night?`
`01:48.11`	`Bounty`	`only problem is... that 99% depends on ur framerate`
`01:48.22`	`Bounty`	`isnt map night like right now?`
`01:48.23`	`JademusSreg`	`"lagless wasd" is always a hilarious term.`
`01:48.34`	`Bounty`	`thats why i put that 99%`
`01:48.36`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`01:48.56`	`onetwo`	`i still had to laugh cause jman's stream is lagging on 4 people viewing`
`01:49.01`	`onetwo`	`meanwhile charle sheen has 100k smooth`
`01:49.04`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`01:49.05`	`onetwo`	`hes winning`
`01:49.06`	`RipperRoo`	`what is map night btw ? XD`
`01:49.06`	`JademusSreg`	`99% entropyless system wakka wakka`
`01:49.14`	`Bounty`	`Jade`
`01:49.19`	`Bounty`	`isnt map night right now?`
`01:49.20`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`01:49.24`	`JademusSreg`	`Yeah.`
`01:49.29`	`Bounty`	`btw RipperRoo im logging on now`
`01:49.36`	`RipperRoo`	`ok`
`01:49.43`	`Bounty`	`then of course the answer is no Jade`
`01:49.44`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`01:49.45`	`Bounty`	`=P`
`01:49.55`	`JademusSreg`	`Why not?`
`01:50.03`	`Bounty`	`what do u mean why not`
`01:50.07`	`Bounty`	`there is no wall collision yet lol`
`01:50.09`	`Bounty`	`no ui`
`01:50.13`	`Bounty`	`40% of a track`
`01:50.15`	`Bounty`	`that just stop`
`01:50.17`	`Bounty`	`stops*`
`01:50.34`	`Bounty`	`the bets i could do is a stress test`
`01:50.37`	`Bounty`	`with 8 players`
`01:50.39`	`Bounty`	`thats about it`
`01:50.44`	`JademusSreg`	`Meh, what's a bit of wip testing amongst comrades?`
`01:50.55`	`Bounty`	`PM me RipperRoo`
`01:51.05`	`Bounty`	`they do stress testing on map night?`
`01:51.10`	`Bounty`	`i thought it was just playable maps`
`01:51.12`	`*** join/#sc2mapster airtonix (~T_T@unaffiliated/airtonix)`
`01:51.17`	`RipperRoo`	`i just added you`
`01:51.17`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Cintiq (~cintiq@219-90-178-46.ip.adam.com.au)`
`01:51.20`	`JademusSreg`	`I dunno. =D`
`01:51.24`	`Bounty`	`PM me Ripper`
`01:51.26`	`Bounty`	`ill invite`
`01:51.32`	`RipperRoo`	`cant ur offline oo0`
`01:51.43`	`Demonette`	`Can i still join that map night? =/ eu`
`01:51.45`	`RipperRoo`	`or maybe i just fail adding^^ never done it by code :D`
`01:51.48`	`Bounty`	`Jademussreg if they want to help with a stress test, i can add the other players in like 2 seconds`
`01:51.55`	`Bounty`	`Bounty is my name`
`01:51.58`	`Bounty`	`and 820 is my number`
`01:52.14`	`JademusSreg`	`They're all in game. I got to the party late.`
`01:52.16`	`RipperRoo`	`yeah did that`
`01:52.20`	`RipperRoo`	`maybe u try ad me`
`01:52.22`	`Bounty`	`what is ur code`
`01:52.25`	`Bounty`	`and name`
`01:52.31`	`RipperRoo`	`RipperRoo.902`
`01:52.36`	`Demonette`	`Mmhhh`
`01:52.40`	`Demonette`	`sigh`
`01:52.43`	`RipperRoo`	`maybe we are on different servers?^^`
`01:52.52`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`bounty is a NOOB!`
`01:52.57`	`Demonette`	`life sucks =(`
`01:52.58`	`Bounty`	`what server r u Ripper`
`01:53.03`	`Bounty`	`ur not showing up`
`01:53.14`	`RipperRoo`	`i dont know? EU german ?^^`
`01:53.21`	`Bounty`	`???`
`01:53.24`	`Bounty`	`ok`
`01:53.25`	`JademusSreg`	`Life is often preferable to death, at least. =)`
`01:53.29`	`Bounty`	`Do you live in the US?`
`01:53.31`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`LIES!`
`01:53.32`	`RipperRoo`	`no`
`01:53.34`	`Bounty`	`because i am US`
`01:53.35`	`Bounty`	`ok then`
`01:53.39`	`Bounty`	`Jademussreg`
`01:53.45`	`Bounty`	`wanna see the track, sicne im alrdy online`
`01:53.50`	`JademusSreg`	`Sure.`
`01:53.54`	`RipperRoo`	`i cannot join to us ? :S`
`01:53.59`	`Demonette`	`XD`
`01:54.01`	`Bounty`	`nope`
`01:54.04`	`Bounty`	`amazing isnt it?`
`01:54.08`	`RipperRoo`	`damn`
`01:54.12`	`Bounty`	`we can play Diablo 2 together but not SC2`
`01:54.28`	`RipperRoo`	`yeah i could connect in wc3 to us if i remember right`
`01:54.50`	`Demonette`	`XD`
`01:54.51`	`RipperRoo`	`why am i not able to do that in a newer game.. thanks blizz :S`
`01:54.55`	`onetwo`	`this is a sad moment in mapping history`
`01:55.05`	`Demonette`	`mh?`
`01:55.07`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Borg_ (3f871f9c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.63.135.31.156)`
`01:55.08`	`Demonette`	`what happend onetwo?`
`01:55.10`	`onetwo`	`[17:53] <RipperRoo> i cannot join to us ? :S [17:54] <Demonette> XD [17:54] <Bounty> nope [17:54] <Bounty> amazing isnt it?`
`01:55.19`	`Demonette`	`Oooohh`
`01:55.20`	`Demonette`	`yeah`
`01:55.23`	`Borg_`	`Borg_?`
`01:55.28`	`Borg_`	`lol... stupid IRC client`
`01:55.35`	`Demonette`	`but it's a very sad moment since a while...`
`01:55.39`	`onetwo`	`two friends, divided by the RL boundaries that the internet is supposed to supercede`
`01:55.44`	`RipperRoo`	`so my tear was justified onetwo ^^`
`01:56.08`	`Demonette`	`we can play together ripper =D`
`01:56.24`	`RipperRoo`	`yes but we cannot play the map made by bounty :D`
`01:56.38`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`onetwo, i keep saying that all the EU people just need to switch to NA and we wont have this problem`
`01:56.45`	`onetwo`	`yeah`
`01:56.59`	`onetwo`	`we definitely need a global map repository soon`
`01:57.03`	`Demonette`	`you could steal his map and upload it =D then we could play the map made by him ;)`
`01:57.32`	`RipperRoo`	`yeah i am just trying to hack his firewall`
`01:57.33`	`onetwo`	`Apple store has global app respository (if dev uploads to all regions that is) but then each 'popularity' in a given region is driven by that region`
`01:57.35`	`RipperRoo`	`give me 2 minutes`
`01:57.39`	`onetwo`	`which i think blizz will need to do soon with bnet`
`01:57.43`	`Demonette`	`Okay i will wait =D`
`01:57.45`	`onetwo`	`sure popularity is local, but so are maps which sucks`
`01:57.51`	`onetwo`	`i have to logon to vjeux and upload my map on EU`
`01:57.52`	`onetwo`	`every time`
`01:58.13`	`RipperRoo`	`maybe with 1.4 ? havent seen something about gobal map repository in 1.3 notes^^`
`01:58.19`	`onetwo`	`maybe`
`01:59.06`	`Demonette`	`maybe they will what for legacy of void...`
`01:59.49`	`BorgDragon`	`thats like 8 years away`
`01:59.53`	`BorgDragon`	`but maybe :P`
`01:59.56`	`RipperRoo`	`and maybe we will be able to build campagnes xD`
`02:00.51`	`Demonette`	`oh i think that be availible after they released sc3`
`02:01.00`	`BorgDragon`	`lol`
`02:01.06`	`Demonette`	`=D`
`02:01.08`	`BorgDragon`	`21 years from now`
`02:01.23`	`Demonette`	`the world will end next year anyway ;)`
`02:01.35`	`RipperRoo`	`btw someone test the 1.3 system ? is it working fine? we dont have an EU test server so we cant test it -.-`
`02:01.37`	`BorgDragon`	`not if we get Chuck Norris and Charlie Sheen :P`
`02:02.20`	`RipperRoo`	`chuck norris is a lie.... just like the cake`
`02:03.04`	`Demonette`	`^^`
`02:03.13`	`Demonette`	`so Charlie Sheen could still help =P`
`02:03.19`	`Whiskee`	`I'm on the ptr right now, ripper`
`02:03.29`	`Demonette`	`Mmhh yea i hope for PTR on EU soon as well`
`02:03.32`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Ingela (~Ingela@90-230-170-118-no35.tbcn.telia.com)`
`02:03.37`	`Whiskee`	`the new system looks cool tbh`
`02:03.59`	`RipperRoo`	`is it fine whiskee ? we discussed it in our german community.. we thought the theory sounds good .. but does it work like it should etc?^^`
`02:04.14`	`RipperRoo`	`ok cool :D`
`02:04.18`	`Whiskee`	`as of now, it doesn't -- there's nobody else here lol`
`02:04.26`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I think its sexy`
`02:04.28`	`Whiskee`	`I think servers just came back online`
`02:04.41`	`RipperRoo`	`i dont like the rate function`
`02:04.53`	`RipperRoo`	`i ve seen that fialing in little big planet too ^^`
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`02:05.12`	`RipperRoo`	`some people just give always 0 stars and other always 5 stars... not much honest rating^^`
`02:05.46`	`Skittles`	`xd`
`02:05.49`	`Whiskee`	`also, niche maps which only appeal to few players will still be screwed`
`02:06.06`	`Demonette`	`i will give all your works a 0.215 stars =)`
`02:06.10`	`Demonette`	`hi skittles`
`02:06.22`	`Skittles`	`hi`
`02:06.32`	`RipperRoo`	`:D`
`02:06.34`	`Demonette`	`but i like the random join`
`02:06.41`	`Demonette`	`could be kind a cool`
`02:07.19`	`RipperRoo`	`damn downloading the english client since ages now wtf`
`02:07.27`	`Demonette`	`=D`
`02:07.32`	`RipperRoo`	`the german editor is completley messed up seriously`
`02:07.34`	`Whiskee`	`well -- it's something though. I stopped mapping months ago because of the old system`
`02:07.57`	`RipperRoo`	`if u want to understand the german editor.. u have to think what it would be in the english verison and then reconsider it ^^`
`02:08.20`	`Demonette`	`=D i like you ripperro =D`
`02:08.34`	`Demonette`	`you make me feel a little less lonely XD`
`02:08.40`	`RipperRoo`	`yeah i know the popularity system is frustrating ... but the popularity should not be the reason why you map`
`02:08.54`	`RipperRoo`	`lol demonette :D having same troubles ?^^`
`02:09.05`	`Whiskee`	`Ripper, the point was I could not get anyone except my friends to throughfully test my map`
`02:09.06`	`Demonette`	`German Editor is a mess`
`02:09.15`	`Whiskee`	`unless I advertised on forums and such, but it's not something you do with betas`
`02:09.33`	`RipperRoo`	`as far as i understood blizzard gets some advices now for the translation`
`02:09.35`	`Whiskee`	`also, my map was the first one ever featured on the EU server`
`02:09.38`	`Whiskee`	`if you remember wgx nagrand`
`02:09.48`	`Whiskee`	`it dropped to page 95432597432 one week later`
`02:09.51`	`Whiskee`	`and died.`
`02:09.53`	`RipperRoo`	`nope sorry whiskee^^`
`02:10.12`	`Whiskee`	`with a mass of people mailing me to know what happened to this 20-minutes 10-players map`
`02:10.19`	`Whiskee`	`popularity happened :P`
`02:10.31`	`RipperRoo`	`whiskee but that not only the problem of the popularity system.. its the people too`
`02:10.42`	`RipperRoo`	`i dont see in wc3 that much different custom maps`
`02:10.50`	`Whiskee`	`I agree, people actually like playing dumb maps`
`02:10.51`	`Demonette`	`I don't even tried to release my maps official...`
`02:10.57`	`Whiskee`	`but niche maps had a chance on wc3`
`02:11.01`	`RipperRoo`	`half is dota 25 is footman 24 is TD 1% different stuff`
`02:11.01`	`Whiskee`	`they don't here.`
`02:11.08`	`Whiskee`	`before 1.3 anyways`
`02:11.11`	`Demonette`	`TD XD`
`02:11.17`	`Demonette`	`tower defence is so lame`
`02:11.26`	`RipperRoo`	`dont laugh about TDs plz i m doing one at the moment xD`
`02:11.42`	`Demonette`	`there are really enough tower defenses at the moment... -.-`
`02:11.53`	`RipperRoo`	`but i dont like them either xDDD... i thought it would be easier as introduction to the editor.. but i m failing all the time xD`
`02:11.55`	`Demonette`	`i will never play it =P sry`
`02:12.01`	`Bounty`	`hey guys`
`02:12.05`	`Demonette`	`hehe =D`
`02:12.10`	`Bounty`	`what tab in data editor is it to lock camera pitch?`
`02:12.19`	`Bounty`	`like if i only want it to allow the player to adjust the rotation and not the pitch`
`02:12.24`	`Bounty`	`oh wait`
`02:12.24`	`Bounty`	`nvm`
`02:12.27`	`Bounty`	`herp derp`
`02:12.30`	`Bounty`	`its a trigger ><`
`02:12.32`	`Demonette`	`=)`
`02:12.36`	`RipperRoo`	`bounty ?`
`02:12.39`	`BorgDragon`	`... LOL Bounty`
`02:12.48`	`RipperRoo`	`its a trigger ! maybe that will help you`
`02:12.52`	`RipperRoo`	`;P`
`02:12.55`	`Demonette`	`uhm... what was i gonna say again?`
`02:12.58`	`Bounty`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:13.02`	`Bounty`	`DERPA`
`02:13.04`	`Bounty`	`DE`
`02:13.06`	`Demonette`	`=S`
`02:13.07`	`Bounty`	`HERPA`
`02:13.10`	`Bounty`	`><`
`02:13.16`	`Demonette`	`herma oO`
`02:14.26`	`Whiskee`	`oh`
`02:14.40`	`Whiskee`	`looks like the time you spend in a game lobby`
`02:14.48`	`Whiskee`	`actually counts towards the minutes played`
`02:14.50`	`Whiskee`	`per player`
`02:15.21`	`Demonette`	`lorl`
`02:15.25`	`Demonette`	`thats sick isn't it?`
`02:15.48`	`Whiskee`	`well, that's good`
`02:16.05`	`Bounty`	`Jademussreg`
`02:16.06`	`Bounty`	`u rdy?`
`02:16.09`	`Bounty`	`i put in mouse controls`
`02:16.10`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`02:16.49`	`Bounty`	`what do u guys think of for a racer. A and D to turn or Mouse Rotation`
`02:16.54`	`Bounty`	`what sounds more fluid`
`02:20.42`	`BorgDragon`	`mouse`
`02:21.02`	`Bounty`	`think so?`
`02:21.06`	`BorgDragon`	`can't exactly control how much you want to rotate with a & D, especially online`
`02:21.12`	`Bounty`	`well`
`02:21.15`	`Bounty`	`the wya it worked was`
`02:21.18`	`Bounty`	`the longer u were turning`
`02:21.21`	`Bounty`	`the sharper u started to turn`
`02:21.27`	`BorgDragon`	`oooh ok`
`02:21.28`	`Bounty`	`with the A and D controls`
`02:21.39`	`BorgDragon`	`so it's not like the Standard arc turning`
`02:21.40`	`Bounty`	`mouse is alot easier though`
`02:21.43`	`Bounty`	`no`
`02:21.50`	`Bounty`	`mouse is easier but mouse also isnt throttled`
`02:21.53`	`Bounty`	`its one rotation speed`
`02:22.12`	`Bounty`	`and it doesnt look as good, turning wise`
`02:22.17`	`Bounty`	`more jerking`
`02:22.23`	`BorgDragon`	`hmmm`
`02:22.24`	`Bounty`	`not sure what to do lol`
`02:22.27`	`Bounty`	`btw`
`02:22.30`	`Bounty`	`its an F-Zero type racing`
`02:22.33`	`Bounty`	`if that helps u understand`
`02:22.34`	`BorgDragon`	`nice :P`
`02:22.38`	`Bounty`	`so its REALLY fast`
`02:23.00`	`Bounty`	`and accuracy is key since if u hit the wall ur done for`
`02:23.24`	`Bounty`	`ok here u go BorgDragon`
`02:23.33`	`BorgDragon`	`?`
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`02:23.42`	`Bounty`	`what if i throttled the mouse rotation speed?`
`02:23.47`	`Bounty`	`or would that feel to wierd?`
`02:24.15`	`Bounty`	`like ur mouse turn moves slow at first but the longer u move it the more it speeds up`
`02:24.26`	`BorgDragon`	`possibly. Have you extensively played with unthrottled mouse and throttled keys?`
`02:24.58`	`Bounty`	`well we've been playing with throttled keys since developement`
`02:25.06`	`Bounty`	`but Jademussreg just suggested the mouse`
`02:25.10`	`Bounty`	`so i figured i'd try it`
`02:25.13`	`BorgDragon`	`hmmm.`
`02:25.23`	`Bounty`	`it feels good but it doesnt feel realistic at all, feels more arcade like`
`02:25.24`	`BorgDragon`	`implement both, which the ability to choose both systems`
`02:25.26`	`Bounty`	`idk if thats good or bad lol`
`02:25.31`	`BorgDragon`	`with*`
`02:25.37`	`Bounty`	`mouse ppl will have a huge advantage though`
`02:25.46`	`Bounty`	`its so easy to drift corners with the mouse`
`02:25.48`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`02:25.49`	`BorgDragon`	`that way you can play/alternate with both while beta testing and then decide on a single system`
`02:26.09`	`Bounty`	`could try that i suppose`
`02:26.15`	`Bounty`	`big problem is though`
`02:26.22`	`Bounty`	`that stupid f*cking mouse bug`
`02:26.27`	`Bounty`	`and i cant fix that lol`
`02:27.09`	`Bounty`	`Blizz has to fix that and its obvious 1.3 isnt going to do it`
`02:27.44`	`BorgDragon`	`hmmm`
`02:27.52`	`BorgDragon`	`well then for now stick with the keys`
`02:28.08`	`BorgDragon`	`and if they ever do fix the mouse, you can go back to it at a later date`
`02:28.15`	`Bounty`	`true`
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`02:43.05`	`Skittles`	`jmanv i had a error let me start back up`
`02:43.11`	`Skittles`	`error report`
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`02:54.43`	`furymonkey`	`how do you get unit to display cool down bar? like duration of the behaviour`
`02:56.36`	`furymonkey`	`disgard that question, problem solved`
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`03:17.04`	`tordy`	`wassup dudes`
`03:17.09`	`tordy`	`where are you guys going`
`03:17.17`	`Skittles`	`na map night`
`03:19.41`	`tordy`	`anyone else here not busy`
`03:22.14`	`Skittles`	`jmanv error report`
`03:23.19`	`JManV`	`same`
`03:23.22`	`JManV`	`crashed guys`
`03:23.31`	`Skittles`	`yeah`
`03:27.42`	`tordy`	`you guys playin jmanv's map!?`
`03:27.46`	`tordy`	`pick me mememememmeme!!`
`03:27.59`	`onetwo`	`omfg i love this guy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyH1ip57iT4`
`03:28.04`	`onetwo`	`haha so funny`
`03:28.11`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`im back to winning guys`
`03:28.24`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`Sixen you seen it?`
`03:28.36`	`tordy`	`yea`
`03:28.39`	`tordy`	`im sixen`
`03:30.21`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`lol shit i tune in to sc2mapster`
`03:30.24`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`theyre playing my map on map night`
`03:30.28`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`so random every time`
`03:30.29`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`i tune in`
`03:31.11`	`Sixen`	`Seen wut`
`03:31.18`	`Sixen`	`oh man`
`03:31.20`	`Sixen`	`I need to see that`
`03:32.03`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`JManV its not per hero type`
`03:32.04`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`its global`
`03:32.20`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`LOL i had to change it`
`03:32.38`	`Sixen`	`12, have you played Call of Duty?`
`03:33.28`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`which one?`
`03:33.32`	`Sixen`	`Any of 'em?`
`03:33.58`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`JManV spider mine was targeted but was getting blocked by enemies when targeting`
`03:34.01`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`so it was made insta drop`
`03:34.08`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`Sixen: first one`
`03:34.13`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`and demo of latest one that i didnt care for`
`03:34.16`	`Sixen`	`Did it have zombies maps?`
`03:34.45`	`tordy`	`i played call of duty`
`03:34.48`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`dont think so`
`03:35.01`	`tordy`	`5 and 7 had zombies`
`03:36.02`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`JManV yeah i agree about exp, but im not 100% happy with sc2's rpg system`
`03:36.10`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`so i went with unit-ranks which i thought were cool`
`03:36.34`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`lol Sixen youre playing?`
`03:36.34`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`no way`
`03:36.35`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`haha`
`03:36.38`	`Sixen`	`Yeah ;)`
`03:36.44`	`Sixen`	`I just got rawked.`
`03:38.03`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`haha`
`03:38.14`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`well yeah jman, brutas are super hard, but if you have high ranked medic or sniper`
`03:38.17`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`they can slow bosses`
`03:38.24`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`so can kite`
`03:38.49`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`lol JManV 'calm donw'`
`03:38.50`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`down`
`03:38.51`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`hahaha`
`03:39.54`	`Skittles`	`lol`
`03:40.08`	`Skittles`	`I think I did pretty damn well. =D`
`03:40.14`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`yah`
`03:40.19`	`Skittles`	`You should nerf the dmg and hp some on some units`
`03:40.20`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`you just need more high rank people`
`03:40.25`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`suddenly things get easier`
`03:40.31`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`you were the only one atm`
`03:40.31`	`Skittles`	`mm`
`03:40.43`	`Skittles`	`not to noob friendly then :p`
`03:41.12`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`the thing is`
`03:41.14`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`you lose`
`03:41.16`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`and want to replay`
`03:41.18`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`thats what i want`
`03:41.28`	`JManV`	`can you win, though?`
`03:41.34`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`yeah i heard some peopel beat it`
`03:41.35`	`Skittles`	`lol`
`03:41.36`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`but not final boss`
`03:41.41`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`i think it is a bit hard atm`
`03:41.42`	`Skittles`	`I beat it b4 u made it harder`
`03:41.42`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`though`
`03:41.49`	`Skittles`	`Final boss was super easy when I did it`
`03:41.52`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`rofl yeah`
`03:41.54`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`its changed a bit`
`03:42.00`	`Skittles`	`mm`
`03:42.03`	`Skittles`	`glad to hear it`
`03:42.04`	`Skittles`	`Btw,`
`03:42.09`	`Skittles`	`you should delete some doodasd`
`03:42.19`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`the thing is, once peopel have 8k kills, the goal is to replay to beat boss for special items`
`03:42.20`	`Skittles`	`I get like 25 fps max, if im lucky with all things closed.`
`03:42.21`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`which isnt implemented yet`
`03:42.28`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`hmm i think its the lighting tbh`
`03:42.36`	`Skittles`	`I dont think so?`
`03:42.36`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`when i made a super contrasted HDR lit map back in june`
`03:42.40`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`people would complain about lag`
`03:42.44`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`i had to tone back lighting`
`03:42.51`	`Skittles`	`I've heavy light when i do stuff`
`03:42.55`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`hmm`
`03:43.00`	`Skittles`	`i've 160 fps on my map`
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`03:43.12`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`might be triggers also`
`03:43.12`	`Skittles`	`it's a bit smaller and only has like 30-50 doodads`
`03:43.23`	`Skittles`	`I obviously have a ton of that going on :p`
`03:46.01`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`youre a whole lot of woman`
`03:46.05`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`got it going on`
`03:50.27`	`Skittles`	`mhmm`
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`03:55.01`	`Demo`	`Does anyone know why sending the queen an actor message to play it's attack animation causes it to freeze all of the rest of it's normal animations, but using it on a dark templar does nawt?`
`03:55.26`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`hmm thats odda ctually`
`03:55.31`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`try looking at actor events`
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`03:55.40`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`maybe DT has something that if animDone, clear anims`
`03:55.41`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`or something`
`03:55.47`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`either way you could add an event`
`03:55.48`	`Demo`	`okey checkingz`
`03:55.49`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`to make a timer`
`03:55.55`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`and another event of whe ntimer expires`
`03:55.57`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`(actor events)`
`03:56.02`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`to clear attack animation`
`03:56.34`	`Dryeyece`	`Demo`
`03:56.40`	`Demo`	`Dryeyece.`
`03:56.44`	`Dryeyece`	`are you using a weapon or an ability`
`03:56.47`	`Demo`	`nope`
`03:56.54`	`Demo`	`just want it to play it's attack animation`
`03:56.56`	`Demo`	`nothing else`
`03:56.59`	`Dryeyece`	`whats making the unit play it`
`03:57.04`	`Dryeyece`	`what triggers the message though`
`03:57.07`	`Demo`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:57.22`	`Demo`	`it was orignally without full match/looping`
`03:57.32`	`Demo`	`doesn't change it`
`03:58.05`	`Dryeyece`	`is the unit you are sending the message to animating anything else? like are they using a weapons and stuff like that? seperate from this message here`
`03:58.24`	`Demo`	`it is not`
`03:58.33`	`Dryeyece`	`so its just standing there`
`03:58.47`	`Demo`	`yes, fidget is turned off as well`
`03:58.48`	`Dryeyece`	`and you are using the trigger to send the message to play the attack anim`
`03:58.48`	`Demo`	`via ui`
`03:58.51`	`Demo`	`yes`
`03:59.07`	`Demo`	`the actor event it uses is different than that of the DT`
`03:59.13`	`Demo`	`according to this`
`03:59.23`	`Dryeyece`	`is it playing that anim over Duration, Time Scale, or Automatic?`
`03:59.33`	`Demo`	`it uses AnimBracketStart Attack`
`03:59.37`	`Demo`	`auto`
`04:00.14`	`Dryeyece`	`a couple of things could be going on`
`04:00.52`	`Dryeyece`	`the actor for the unit may have conflicting messages already in its actor inisde the data editor, what Name do you use for your animation message?`
`04:01.10`	`Demo`	`No name currently`
`04:01.20`	`Dryeyece`	`you should name it`
`04:01.39`	`Demo`	`I've got it to work`
`04:01.47`	`Demo`	`using Anim Bracket Start Attack`
`04:01.50`	`Demo`	`instead of Anim Play`
`04:02.26`	`Dryeyece`	`if you start a Bracket you have to stop it too`
`04:02.39`	`Dryeyece`	`a bracket I am pretty sure is a loop`
`04:02.44`	`Demo`	`I lied, that didn't work`
`04:02.49`	`Demo`	`It just didn't do the animation`
`04:02.53`	`Dryeyece`	`even if the animaition isnt playing cuz of those flags the bracket is still open`
`04:03.02`	`Dryeyece`	`stuff like that freezes actors`
`04:03.03`	`Demo`	`I'll try to name it`
`04:04.05`	`Demo`	`anything specific I should name it?`
`04:04.24`	`Dryeyece`	`use a name you made up, dont use Attack, because nearly every actor is already using animations with that name`
`04:05.01`	`Dryeyece`	`but the name can be anything its just a way for the actor to identify that specific animation or message at a later time`
`04:05.24`	`Dryeyece`	`like if you want to clear the animation it needs a name otherwise the actor doesnt know which animation to clear etc`
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`04:05.32`	`Demo`	`I called it RuttBape`
`04:05.38`	`Dryeyece`	`its sort of like naming a variable`
`04:05.58`	`Demo`	`SUCCESS`
`04:06.11`	`Demo`	`Odd imo that the DT doesn't need that but the queen does...`
`04:06.20`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`man transformers is on... my god the CGI looks expensive`
`04:06.28`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`i feel bad for the dev team that had to do that`
`04:06.35`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`looks insanely hard work`
`04:06.41`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`anyway gotta get back to working`
`04:06.42`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`lol`
`04:06.51`	`Demo`	`Gotta go bang 7 gram rocks?`
`04:08.05`	`Dryeyece`	`you shuld give the DT one also`
`04:08.13`	`Dryeyece`	`otherwise he will eventually freeze up also`
`04:08.19`	`Dryeyece`	`in my experiences actors can be fickly that way`
`04:08.35`	`Dryeyece`	`and some actors animations are only .25 seconds and it can loop that single one`
`04:08.45`	`Dryeyece`	`but some are 6 seconds long and cant be looped and if they are look retarted`
`04:09.04`	`Demo`	`Well after an hour into the game he hasn't...`
`04:09.09`	`Dryeyece`	`some have these giant spaces of nothing at the end that last for random periods of time`
`04:09.36`	`Demo`	`You're so fabulous, you're so good to me.`
`04:10.01`	`Dryeyece`	`lol`
`04:10.56`	`Demo`	`EDITOR CRASH YAAAAAAAAAAAAY!`
`04:11.26`	`Dryeyece`	`the thing I dont like about sending actor messages with the trigger editor is I couldnt get the message Anim Done to work anywhere but the DE`
`04:11.47`	`Demo`	`Yeah, I'm just doing this the lazy way and making effects then running them through triggers`
`04:12.03`	`Demo`	`instead of having to make then through that bitch of a data editor`
`04:12.07`	`Dryeyece`	`I couldnt do it that way if my life depended on it lol`
`04:12.36`	`Dryeyece`	`I only make em 100% data editor I cant work the trigger editor for shit really, I can only do very basic things`
`04:13.07`	`Demo`	`I've done 100% data editor on a large majority of the abilities`
`04:13.15`	`Demo`	`but getting some simple things done is 100x faster in the trig edit`
`04:13.16`	`tordy`	`wassp`
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`04:15.02`	`tordy`	`east coast where you at!?`
`04:15.21`	`Demo`	`Did you guys know that tordy loves you all?`
`04:15.26`	`Demo`	`MID WEST REPRESENT!`
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`04:27.24`	`abstruse`	`FLABBERGABBERNABBER`
`04:27.34`	`Demo`	`Who nabs flabber gabbers?`
`04:27.54`	`abstruse`	`la0fer`
`04:27.56`	`abstruse`	`i heard`
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`05:01.26`	`tordy`	`anyon ehere use twietter`
`05:02.51`	`EonShiKeno`	`yes`
`05:05.32`	`Vexal`	`hello.`
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`05:35.53`	`JademusSreg`	`=\`
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`07:06.46`	`tordy`	`did anyone make a defense map where you make buildings freely on terrain to make blocks, mazes, & units that automatically attack?`
`07:06.56`	`tordy`	`it's like a pseudo-tug & td`
`07:06.58`	`tordy`	`but not really`
`07:09.22`	`tordy`	`or are there a million of thse alrady`
`07:10.13`	`tordy`	`cmon are you guys sleepin again`
`07:10.22`	`Skittles`	`crashed. Xd`
`07:10.43`	`Skittles`	`it's map night duh :p`
`07:11.21`	`Skittles`	`oh u mean maul?`
`07:11.25`	`Skittles`	`mual`
`07:11.26`	`tordy`	`what do you mean`
`07:11.32`	`Skittles`	`that's what wc3 had`
`07:11.40`	`Skittles`	`a map, and tons of em, named mauls`
`07:11.50`	`tordy`	`mauls`
`07:12.07`	`tordy`	`dunno what that is gimme a link to one of them /w a good description and pics`
`07:12.24`	`tordy`	`wintermaul?`
`07:12.34`	`tordy`	`i dunno i didnt play much wc3 customs`
`07:13.18`	`tordy`	`from the looks of it, looks like vexal's defense`
`07:13.24`	`tordy`	`not gonna be like vexal's defense`
`07:13.30`	`tordy`	`Skittles!!!!!`
`07:21.44`	`Skittles`	`hmm`
`07:21.58`	`Skittles`	`wintermaul was 1`
`07:25.02`	`tordy`	`does ther eexist one where you can make auto-producuing buildings?`
`07:25.09`	`tordy`	`that makes units`
`07:25.13`	`tordy`	`uncommandable`
`07:25.41`	`tordy`	`rather`
`07:25.48`	`tordy`	`does there exist one where you can solve puzzles!?!?!?!?!`
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`07:57.46`	`tordy`	`Skittles:`
`07:58.16`	`Skittles`	`?`
`07:59.06`	`Skittles`	`tordy`
`07:59.12`	`tordy`	`oh there you are`
`07:59.17`	`Skittles`	`mhmm`
`08:02.17`	`Skittles`	`whatcha want`
`08:02.21`	`tordy`	`i forget`
`08:02.25`	`tordy`	`whatcha doin`
`08:02.42`	`Skittles`	`u asked me like 4 minutes ago @.@`
`08:02.43`	`Skittles`	`lol`
`08:02.45`	`Skittles`	`nm`
`08:02.48`	`Skittles`	`u`
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`08:09.09`	`tordy`	`nm`
`08:09.10`	`tordy`	`u`
`08:27.57`	`grim001`	`Jademus, how does the idea of treating each script file automatically as its own scope sound`
`08:28.45`	`grim001`	`private prefix results in the var/function name being prefixed with some random crap, public prefix prefixes the library name and an underscore, no prefix just leaves it alone`
`08:28.58`	`grim001`	`libraries are automatically assumed to be named whatever the filename of the script is`
`08:29.38`	`grim001`	`syntax for requirements is simply "reqires A, B, C" on the very first line of a script file`
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`08:44.34`	`Saeris`	`sup guys`
`08:45.41`	`Saeris`	`dead as usual i see`
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`09:28.22`	`harl`	`wuff`
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`09:41.28`	`QueenGambit`	`how was map night?`
`09:41.37`	`JManV`	`great`
`09:41.51`	`QueenGambit`	`great`
`09:42.59`	`JManV`	`good turnout again`
`09:43.31`	`QueenGambit`	`nice`
`09:43.36`	`JManV`	`had a little trouble with a dude trying to run the show`
`09:43.51`	`JManV`	`basically wanted to pick every game, and complained about any game some else picked`
`09:44.07`	`QueenGambit`	`hey, if it makes it entertaining =)`
`09:44.13`	`JManV`	`but i more or less accidently pissed him off, and he left`
`09:44.19`	`QueenGambit`	`aah`
`09:44.39`	`JManV`	`he clearly didn't want to play a game we had enough played for otherwise`
`09:44.47`	`JManV`	`so i booted him and invited someone else`
`09:45.08`	`JManV`	`fun stuff`
`09:45.15`	`JManV`	`but we had a lot of fun`
`09:45.36`	`QueenGambit`	`thats good and thats the point of map night`
`09:45.42`	`QueenGambit`	`having fun playing custom maps`
`09:45.51`	`JManV`	`we did a lot of both`
`09:46.05`	`QueenGambit`	`im glad to hear that =)`
`09:46.18`	`QueenGambit`	`are u west or east coast?`
`09:46.34`	`QueenGambit`	`pretty early right now if your in east`
`09:46.45`	`JManV`	`5am almost`
`09:46.57`	`QueenGambit`	`i c`
`09:47.00`	`QueenGambit`	`yah i just got home`
`09:47.18`	`JManV`	`stupid data, making me do same thing 1000 times`
`09:47.25`	`JManV`	`don't want to stop until im done`
`09:47.32`	`QueenGambit`	`im super tired but i DrHu sent back my fixed map and now I must work on it`
`09:47.52`	`QueenGambit`	`soon i'll get my music galaxy map working`
`09:48.06`	`JManV`	`w00t`
`09:48.16`	`JManV`	`wish i could say that for my map`
`09:48.20`	`QueenGambit`	`just want the piano keys to setup then i can focus on adding things like allowing players to learn how to play different instruments and get into jamming sessions`
`09:48.30`	`JManV`	`but what i'm doing right now might be really cool`
`09:48.34`	`QueenGambit`	`copy n paste?`
`09:48.38`	`JManV`	`not sure how well ppl will receive it`
`09:48.48`	`QueenGambit`	`is this for that turn base game?`
`09:48.53`	`JManV`	`heh`
`09:48.58`	`JManV`	`yes and no`
`09:48.59`	`QueenGambit`	`I remember seeing someone developing a turn base map back in beta`
`09:49.07`	`QueenGambit`	`k nvm`
`09:49.13`	`JManV`	`i'm working on pokemon`
`09:49.18`	`QueenGambit`	`pok eeh mon`
`09:49.19`	`JManV`	`"pocket warriors"`
`09:49.33`	`QueenGambit`	`Surrender now or prepare to fight`
`09:49.37`	`QueenGambit`	`meow thats right!`
`09:49.39`	`JManV`	`anyways, my map has dynamic buildings`
`09:49.46`	`JManV`	`to conserve map space`
`09:49.56`	`JManV`	`so i can't just lay out the buildings on the map, i need code for them`
`09:49.58`	`QueenGambit`	`does it really effect map space?`
`09:50.03`	`QueenGambit`	`i c`
`09:50.08`	`JManV`	`they're rendered on the fly`
`09:50.20`	`JManV`	`so <1/4 of the map space = infinite buildings`
`09:50.30`	`JManV`	`but they're a pain to set up`
`09:50.32`	`QueenGambit`	`thats interesting`
`09:50.37`	`JManV`	`so i made a building designer map`
`09:50.44`	`JManV`	`to lay them out, and it has save/load, etc`
`09:50.56`	`JManV`	`mostly for myself, but other ppl can use it too`
`09:51.01`	`JManV`	`and it's actually kinda fun`
`09:51.12`	`JManV`	`like playing the sims, setting up a house and stuff`
`09:51.25`	`QueenGambit`	`oh don't remind me of sims`
`09:51.29`	`QueenGambit`	`took me forever to get out of that mess`
`09:51.42`	`JManV`	`and ppl might be interested in designing buildings for my game`
`09:52.05`	`JManV`	`also, i'm thinking of releasing the dynamic building library as an asset`
`09:52.10`	`JManV`	`once all the kinks are out`
`09:52.16`	`QueenGambit`	`oh you should totally do that`
`09:52.23`	`QueenGambit`	`sounds to me like a great asset`
`09:52.25`	`JManV`	`i think other people could use it`
`09:52.32`	`QueenGambit`	`and i'd probably have a lot of fun playing with it`
`09:52.43`	`QueenGambit`	`oh yah totally i could cook up maps ideas with that`
`09:52.45`	`JManV`	`and i'd also release the building designer, which you could add your own assets too`
`09:52.52`	`QueenGambit`	`nice`
`09:53.07`	`JManV`	`but it's kind of a pain setting up the scv to drop all those units`
`09:53.20`	`JManV`	`a lot of data manipulatioj`
`09:53.37`	`JManV`	`and i actually set the scv up with 15 command card submenus, so it has to be done in XML`
`09:53.47`	`JManV`	`that might not be particularly user friendly`
`09:53.50`	`QueenGambit`	`crazy`
`09:53.58`	`JManV`	`but you could make several builder units instead`
`09:54.22`	`JManV`	`15 submenus is awesome`
`09:54.34`	`QueenGambit`	`its too much`
`09:54.52`	`JManV`	`says you`
`09:55.04`	`JManV`	`for efficiency, you can't just drop single block walls`
`09:55.15`	`QueenGambit`	`oh i get it`
`09:55.16`	`QueenGambit`	`k`
`09:55.17`	`JManV`	`you need the least number of objects for the building`
`09:55.28`	`JManV`	`so i have an entire panel for just one kind of wall`
`09:55.40`	`JManV`	`~5 panels for walls`
`09:55.42`	`JManV`	`some for props`
`09:55.48`	`JManV`	`some for people`
`09:55.50`	`JManV`	`etc`
`09:55.58`	`QueenGambit`	`I can think of dozens of maps that would be fun using dynamic buildings`
`09:56.05`	`JManV`	`ikr`
`09:56.09`	`QueenGambit`	`tons of dynamic TDs`
`09:56.23`	`QueenGambit`	`a labyrinth dungeon map thats dynamic`
`09:56.28`	`QueenGambit`	`etc`
`09:56.30`	`JManV`	`well, they're dynamic in that they're rendered on the fly`
`09:56.38`	`QueenGambit`	`oh k nvm`
`09:56.43`	`JManV`	`but the building itself is layed out ahead of time`
`09:56.47`	`JManV`	`however`
`09:56.54`	`JManV`	`it's a trigger that lays out the building`
`09:57.00`	`QueenGambit`	`i c`
`09:57.01`	`JManV`	`so the trigger could do whatever it wants`
`09:57.11`	`JManV`	`it doens't have to follow a structure`
`09:57.29`	`QueenGambit`	`aah okay`
`09:57.34`	`JManV`	`i actually went away from array-driven buildings to triggers, because triggers are so flexible`
`09:57.47`	`QueenGambit`	`yah <3 triggers`
`09:57.52`	`JManV`	`so the primary purpose is to conserve map space`
`09:58.13`	`JManV`	`but you could extend it to generate infinite random buildings`
`09:58.25`	`JManV`	`however, none of it can mess with terrain levels`
`09:58.27`	`QueenGambit`	`and still conserve map space`
`09:58.35`	`JManV`	`yeah, thus the inifinite`
`09:58.50`	`JManV`	`it's already set to re-render on the fly`
`09:59.13`	`QueenGambit`	`so no messing with terrain levels?`
`09:59.19`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`back`
`09:59.20`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`hi queen`
`09:59.22`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`hi jman`
`09:59.22`	`JManV`	`you can't dynamically`
`09:59.24`	`QueenGambit`	`im just`
`09:59.26`	`JManV`	`sup onetwo`
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`09:59.40`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`lol shake weight commercial is on`
`09:59.44`	`JManV`	`but it was thinking it'd be cool for an entirely indoor map`
`09:59.47`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`how did no one see it looks sexual`
`09:59.47`	`QueenGambit`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QS0q3mGPGg`
`09:59.58`	`JManV`	`map size would be of no consequence`
`10:01.17`	`JManV`	`i might use it to make a swat map if i ever finish my current map`
`10:01.32`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`http://FunnyOrDie.com/m/5cwg best vid queen`
`10:03.43`	`QueenGambit`	`lol weird`
`10:04.28`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`he opened my mind`
`10:04.58`	`JManV`	`he just threatened to stab a knife`
`10:05.30`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`lol`
`10:05.43`	`JManV`	`that's deep.`
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`10:33.26`	`Vexal`	`that's what she said.`
`10:33.34`	`MrOp`	`lol`
`10:33.40`	`MrOp`	`what did she say`
`10:34.21`	`Vexal`	`[04:05] <JManV> that's deep.`
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`10:38.27`	`tordy`	`wassssup!!!`
`10:43.02`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`vexal comes back every 3-4 hours`
`10:43.04`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`says hello`
`10:43.07`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`or a random comment`
`10:43.07`	`onetwo_WINNING`	`lol`
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`10:53.53`	`tordy`	`i say hello too`
`11:01.16`	`tordy`	`is there a way to make a building controllable by every allied player but each player can make their own units & upgrades at the building`
`11:02.37`	`MrOp`	`neutral?`
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`11:02.40`	`tordy_`	`is there a way to make a building controllable by every allied player but each player can make their own units & upgrades at the building`
`11:02.46`	`MrOp`	`guessing`
`11:03.02`	`tordy_`	`because i can get each to control it`
`11:03.08`	`tordy_`	`but i cant get it to make their own units`
`11:03.19`	`tordy_`	`it only makes whatever the original owner was`
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`11:46.53`	`Clord`	`it is fun to balance three builders what build structures and more..... with their own "unique" gameplay mechanics compared to eachother`
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`11:50.21`	`Tobin_`	`Made blimp into a unit and im trying to remove the sound it plays (its idle sound).`
`11:50.28`	`Tobin_`	`anyone know how?`
`11:51.44`	`Tobin_`	`Nevermind, i found it finally.`
`12:16.04`	`Tobin_`	`I made a build ability and regardless of the Info - Time i input it always instant builds. (I don't have instant placement on). Does anyone know what the problem might be?`
`12:17.55`	`Tobin_`	`ping me if you have any idea why please.`
`12:18.12`	`Clord`	`lol`
`12:18.27`	`Clord`	`it is one of reasons why most TD maps have instabuilt structures`
`12:18.57`	`Clord`	`it takes time to set up quite while`
`12:19.13`	`Clord`	`I mean`
`12:19.18`	`Clord`	`making build time changes is easy`
`12:19.26`	`Clord`	`but animating every structure is pain to ass XD`
`12:19.34`	`Clord`	`for building part`
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`12:28.36`	`RyanWin`	`morning all`
`12:29.35`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Ryan!`
`12:29.40`	`RyanWin`	`sup man?`
`12:29.43`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`:D`
`12:29.46`	`RyanWin`	`:D`
`12:31.58`	`Clord`	`hi`
`12:32.03`	`Clord`	`some creepy people got in`
`12:32.04`	`Clord`	`eh`
`12:34.58`	`JademusSreg`	`I awaken.`
`12:35.10`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Jade!`
`12:35.42`	`JademusSreg`	`Clord, we played THE Card Game last night; I think you need to update your NA version. No custom graphics?! Awww. I was disappoint.`
`12:38.02`	`JademusSreg`	`Hi Shawn!`
`12:38.22`	`JademusSreg`	`I had to get some breakfast.`
`12:38.33`	`airtonix`	`Fisker: ysoyus?`
`12:38.43`	`airtonix`	`i will kill you Fisker`
`12:39.28`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I want breakdast.`
`12:39.31`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`breakfast*`
`12:39.38`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I didn't sleep enough`
`12:39.49`	`JademusSreg`	`Map night was fun. Wish you were there.`
`12:40.11`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I was doing gf things`
`12:40.22`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`And then went to sleep`
`12:40.23`	`JademusSreg`	`How'd that go?`
`12:40.59`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`She decided that we couldn't talk last night because we didn't have enough time (because she opted to hang out with her friend and come over later)`
`12:41.17`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`So I'm still in the same stupid state I was yesterday`
`12:41.45`	`JademusSreg`	`Ah. Nothing gained then.`
`12:43.01`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Yes. And more time that I have to spend feeling like shit while she continues to be a bitch to me`
`12:44.11`	`JademusSreg`	`Sounds like it's time to move on, and it seems she's already starting.`
`12:45.23`	`JademusSreg`	`My first marriage was like that. We had the good taste to end it amicably.`
`12:46.08`	`RyanWin`	`anyone interested in seeing Zealot class for SCU?`
`12:46.16`	`RyanWin`	`youtube vid`
`12:46.43`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`This is far from amicable. If I wasn't so damn patient I wouldve told her to fuck off a few days ago`
`12:46.51`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`But no.. I just keep waiting`
`12:46.54`	`JademusSreg`	`Love itself was an insufficient purpose to cling to the life-like animations of a distant past.`
`12:47.05`	`JademusSreg`	`Ryan, yes that sounds neat.`
`12:48.56`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDXWz_klFms`
`12:49.03`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Ha! Beat you to it!`
`12:49.29`	`RyanWin`	`lol`
`12:50.14`	`JademusSreg`	`Hah.`
`12:50.44`	`JademusSreg`	`Looking pretty good.`
`12:51.26`	`JademusSreg`	`Ultralisk? More like Kaboomtralisk, amirite?`
`12:51.43`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`lol. programmers are silly`
`12:51.48`	`RyanWin`	`lol`
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`12:52.08`	`JademusSreg`	`My youngest daughter is watching it with me. =D`
`12:53.09`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Is she amazed?`
`12:53.50`	`JademusSreg`	`She watched it. She's at that age where she likes the sights and sounds, incapable of grasping the content.`
`12:54.27`	`RyanWin`	`lol`
`12:54.42`	`RyanWin`	`im at the same age Jademus`
`12:54.48`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha.`
`12:55.03`	`Wihl`	`http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lhvfl2H7Li1qzxzwwo1_500.jpg`
`12:55.55`	`JademusSreg`	`Hah. Just like a human to see penises where there are none / draw penises where they shouldn't be.`
`12:57.19`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`But where SHOULD they be?`
`12:58.01`	`JademusSreg`	`In anatomically correct configurations of terrestrial physiology?`
`12:58.22`	`RyanWin`	`both sent shawn`
`12:58.40`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I already have them extraacted`
`13:03.53`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`okay, I see a giant list of weapons.`
`13:04.19`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`How do I know what we need?`
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`13:47.18`	`Clord`	`>_>`
`13:47.29`	`Clord`	`fortress fight rebalancing somewhat done`
`13:47.38`	`Clord`	`zerg builders owned entire map`
`13:47.39`	`Clord`	`^^`
`13:47.54`	`JademusSreg`	`Clord, did you read my message?`
`13:48.46`	`Clord`	`that guy who kept uploading my map`
`13:48.49`	`Clord`	`disappeared`
`13:49.04`	`Clord`	`and no`
`13:49.07`	`Clord`	`I don't even have his email`
`13:49.09`	`Clord`	`or way to get it`
`13:49.10`	`Clord`	`^^`
`13:49.13`	`JademusSreg`	`Damn.`
`13:49.45`	`Clord`	`but... it could be published under new name somepoint >_> still it is like security risk`
`13:50.10`	`JademusSreg`	`Yeah, I understand.`
`13:50.39`	`Clord`	`I already took insane chances to even let him upload that map`
`13:50.40`	`Clord`	`XD`
`13:51.11`	`JademusSreg`	`I guess you could get Blizzard to take it down and get someone else to upload it on NA again.`
`13:52.15`	`Clord`	`lol chances are that blizzard understand wrong/don't pay attention and removes wrong one XD`
`13:52.58`	`JademusSreg`	`Hah.`
`13:53.42`	`Clord`	`or more typical`
`13:53.53`	`Clord`	`you are not from US.. you are screwed as second rate`
`13:53.54`	`Clord`	`^^`
`13:53.55`	`Clord`	`lol`
`13:54.46`	`JademusSreg`	`Probably. If you're not American or Korean, you get the short end.`
`13:55.34`	`Clord`	`hehe yeah`
`13:55.48`	`Clord`	`but yeah`
`13:55.52`	`Clord`	`it would require to buy US account`
`13:56.00`	`Clord`	`otherwise they refuse to give support for US matters`
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`14:01.10`	`grim001`	`182 files, over 10,000 lines of code, heavy string manipulation on each line of each script, takes 2.5 seconds to compile`
`14:01.16`	`grim001`	`not bad so far`
`14:02.00`	`Clord`	`I want my 1.3.0`
`14:02.15`	`Clord`	`technically it is not my in literal sense`
`14:02.23`	`Clord`	`literal sense we only own right to play`
`14:02.24`	`Clord`	`lol`
`14:04.03`	`JademusSreg`	`Hi grim.`
`14:04.20`	`JademusSreg`	`Sounds decent.`
`14:04.55`	`grim001`	`it seems like almost all of it is the overhead of opening and closing all of those files.`
`14:05.09`	`grim001`	`let me test what happens when you have the same amount of code in a smaller amount of files`
`14:05.45`	`JademusSreg`	`I remember during our search for candidates for parsers, a parser created by Tiny Parser Generator took forever to parse a suingle file. Like even after the author adjusted the code, it took 8 seconds for one file.`
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`14:12.43`	`grim001`	`it is only 0.2 seconds faster if I turn off line-by-line examination and whitespace stripping and all that`
`14:12.52`	`grim001`	`in fact, it is faster if I turn on comment deletion`
`14:13.03`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha.`
`14:16.10`	`Dogmai`	`hmm`
`14:16.28`	`Dogmai`	`should I or should I not rewrite my engine to use records -_-`
`14:17.34`	`JademusSreg`	`If it has a difference in management, computational efficiency, or improved performance, yes.`
`14:21.57`	`grim001`	`ugh`
`14:22.04`	`grim001`	`somewhere between 1000 and 2000 lines of code`
`14:22.12`	`grim001`	`is the threshold you do not want to cross for a single .galaxy file`
`14:22.28`	`grim001`	`otherwise, it starts taking an extremely long time to compile a single file.`
`14:22.52`	`JademusSreg`	`Weird.`
`14:23.30`	`grim001`	`Time to compile 1 file with 2000 lines: 9ish seconds`
`14:23.39`	`grim001`	`Time to compile 1 file to 1000 lines: 2.5ish`
`14:23.56`	`grim001`	`TIme to compile 2 files with 1000 each: 6.5ish`
`14:27.05`	`grim001`	`The number of files seems to affect compile time nearly linearly, whereas the length of each file increases it non-linearly`
`14:28.25`	`grim001`	`1000 lines x 1 file: 2.5 seconds. 1000 lines x 10 files: 23 seconds.`
`14:31.37`	`grim001`	`500 lines x 1 file: 0.8 seconds. 500 lines x 10 files: 6.6 seconds. 500 lines x 20 files: 12.7 seconds.`
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`14:33.53`	`grim001`	`250 lines x 1 file: 0.3 seconds. 250 lines x 10 files: 1.8 seconds. 250 lines x 20 files: 3.5 seconds. 250 lines x 40 files: 7 seconds.`
`14:34.30`	`grim001`	`From these data points we can draw the general conclusion that splitting the same amount of code into twice as many files makes it compile about twice as quickly.`
`14:35.00`	`Deaod`	`mmmh`
`14:35.02`	`grim001`	`I guess it's much better that it works that way than the other way around.`
`14:36.17`	`grim001`	`Maybe I can figure out what's causing that behavior and make it treat long scripts differently, though.`
`14:36.55`	`grim001`	`Most likely, string operations are becoming extremely slow once strings become too large.`
`14:37.15`	`grim001`	`Splitting up libraries into smaller chunks where needed could greatly improve performance.`
`14:37.46`	`Tobin_`	`Jademus will you test my map?`
`14:37.52`	`JademusSreg`	`Sure.`
`14:37.58`	`Tobin_`	`awesome`
`14:39.40`	`JademusSreg`	`I just need to pause utorrent and log in.`
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`14:40.02`	`Tobin_`	`Ahh, sorry for delaying your download`
`14:40.10`	`JademusSreg`	`Naw.`
`14:40.30`	`JademusSreg`	`I run that stuff all the time; i seed as a community service.`
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`14:41.07`	`RipperRoo`	`bam ! here i am :)=`
`14:41.16`	`JademusSreg`	`Hi.`
`14:41.22`	`RipperRoo`	`hi :)`
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`14:51.23`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha. Snowballed.`
`14:51.40`	`JademusSreg`	`Upgrades ought to be a tactical choice, I think.`
`14:51.59`	`Tobin_`	`for example?`
`14:52.01`	`JademusSreg`	`Where you're choosing between upgrades and something else.`
`14:52.23`	`JademusSreg`	`For instance, choosing between upgrades and building towers.`
`14:52.41`	`JademusSreg`	`Both are permanent, so both have a lasting effect in the game.`
`14:52.45`	`Tobin_`	`Ywow thts perfect`
`14:53.22`	`JademusSreg`	`I have 50 build griss. I could make this cool tower, or boost movement speed by some tiny fraction.`
`14:53.59`	`JademusSreg`	`Are your upgrades fraction based?`
`14:54.08`	`Tobin_`	`yeah`
`14:54.10`	`Tobin_`	`all of theme`
`14:54.13`	`JademusSreg`	`Good.`
`14:54.58`	`Tobin_`	`Do you think upgrade cost should increase?`
`14:55.33`	`JademusSreg`	`Probably, it depends on the pace of the game, which could use some quickening.`
`14:56.51`	`Tobin_`	`k, i'll try boosting income to 3 per sec`
`14:57.00`	`JademusSreg`	`Often what you see in spawning unit tug maps, like castle fight, is an escalation, where pacing ramps up gradually, until you are frantically building.`
`14:57.46`	`JademusSreg`	`But your initial pacing is a bit too slow, I think. Maybe that's because we'rep laying 1v1 though.`
`14:58.57`	`JademusSreg`	`Also, see what those tooltips are about. Almost all of them were broken in some way.`
`14:59.17`	`JademusSreg`	`Either the text entries were blank or missing.`
`14:59.36`	`JademusSreg`	`Some displayed nothing, while others had like Button\Tooltip\Text`
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`15:00.44`	`Tobin_`	`Yeah, mostly because i added in new towers`
`15:01.21`	`Tobin_`	`I think i'll just give a brief description of what the tower does instead of damage, etc, etc.`
`15:01.47`	`JademusSreg`	`Knowing damage, range, and rate of fire is important.`
`15:03.28`	`JademusSreg`	`Gotta show your player everything they need to know to play the game compotently; that's the awesome capability and of interactive visual media, and also the unshirkable responsibility of the developer. =)`
`15:03.42`	`JademusSreg`	`*competently Hah.`
`15:06.18`	`JademusSreg`	`Lately I've been thinking more about Okami-like gameplay using mouse input, specifically how to process the input.`
`15:07.24`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Okami is fun for a lot of people. Really simple and vibrant`
`15:07.48`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Had some control issues, but nothing really bad`
`15:08.12`	`JademusSreg`	`I would make a wizard battle map, I think.`
`15:08.41`	`JademusSreg`	`If I can figure out a good way for handling the input, I could do some wild things.`
`15:08.56`	`Tobin_`	`Like drawing runes to cast a spell?`
`15:08.59`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes.`
`15:09.08`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I wonder if an xbox controller could be wired into sc2`
`15:09.19`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Actually, its very possible`
`15:09.20`	`JademusSreg`	`Probably, Shawn.`
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`15:09.39`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I wonder how many people would do that`
`15:09.51`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I could so see my playing ds while laying in my bed`
`15:10.23`	`JademusSreg`	`Hah.`
`15:11.45`	`JademusSreg`	`Does SC2 use degs or rads for pitch? I'm guessing degs.`
`15:12.04`	`Deaod`	`degs`
`15:12.17`	`Deaod`	`actually`
`15:13.19`	`Deaod`	`im not sure, its just that they used degrees for everything`
`15:13.41`	`JademusSreg`	`Since getting mouse movement doesn't work when you have the camera turn relative to the cursor, I need to calculate where the camera it targeting. =P`
`15:14.04`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`You cant do some mouselook?`
`15:15.03`	`JademusSreg`	`If the camera is set to turn relative to the cursor, ala third and first person perspective, then you cannot retrieve mouse movement position because the mousem ovement event doesn't fire.`
`15:16.00`	`JademusSreg`	`Since I want the player to be able to shoot like a maniac if he so chooses,I need to calculate where the camera is aiming.`
`15:16.37`	`JademusSreg`	`It's just a matter of retrieving some values from the player camera.`
`15:16.44`	`JademusSreg`	`And then calculating.`
`15:16.55`	`JademusSreg`	`I just need to be certain of what units I'm using.`
`15:17.14`	`JademusSreg`	`Otherwise I'll end up with a standard-metric NASA error.`
`15:17.18`	`JademusSreg`	`kaboom`
`15:17.41`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I think it's all a matter of dying your hair and going to a nightclub.`
`15:17.46`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`And ponies`
`15:19.35`	`JademusSreg`	`I dress myself in fucking lies. =D`
`15:19.54`	`JademusSreg`	`Pardon, but it reminded me of that song.`
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`15:22.39`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I'm trying to surgically get this drink mix powder into this jug without getting it all over my floor`
`15:26.31`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`success`
`15:26.58`	`JademusSreg`	`Congrats.`
`15:27.39`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I think turnbased strategy needs to become a bigger genre`
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`15:27.48`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Like.. turnbased fps`
`15:27.53`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha`
`15:27.54`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`That would be weird`
`15:29.29`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I can make a melee map where each player gets 5 minute turns to play`
`15:30.00`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I'll call it ICFuckYouROdrigo`
`15:30.12`	`JademusSreg`	`Hah.`
`15:30.32`	`JademusSreg`	`That would be pretty bad though.`
`15:30.54`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Zerg would become OP`
`15:31.14`	`Deaod`	`TBS SC2`
`15:31.18`	`Deaod`	`YAY`
`15:31.24`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Hell ya`
`15:32.12`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Then there is turnbased DotA`
`15:32.20`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Is anyone writing this down?`
`15:32.22`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`This is gold`
`15:32.48`	`RipperRoo`	`hey shawn :D`
`15:32.56`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Hello ROO`
`15:34.02`	`Dogmai`	`grim`
`15:34.17`	`Dogmai`	`grim001: my first engine was 28,000 lines of code`
`15:34.30`	`Dogmai`	`1st rewrite reduced that to 2,700`
`15:34.40`	`Dogmai`	`im sure the next one will be even smaller :p`
`15:37.50`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Smaller isn't always better`
`15:38.07`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I liked the gigantic beta thors`
`15:39.23`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha`
`15:40.30`	`Tobin_`	`Jademus, i finished the changes. Care to try again?`
`15:40.46`	`JademusSreg`	`Give me a few minutes.`
`15:41.07`	`JademusSreg`	`My daughter is awake, watching a Selena Gomez video, sitting my lap.`
`15:41.20`	`Tobin_`	`Yup no biggy`
`15:41.53`	`Tobin_`	`I'll go eat then, probably be about 30 minutes.`
`15:42.53`	`JademusSreg`	`Meanwhile, since I have a widescreen monitor, I can do 2 - 5 things simultaneously.`
`15:42.58`	`JademusSreg`	`=D`
`15:45.26`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`bbl`
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`16:00.54`	`grim001`	`Dogami, your first what engine?`
`16:01.31`	`JademusSreg`	`Physics?`
`16:01.40`	`JademusSreg`	`I'm guessing.`
`16:05.46`	`grim001`	`I think he's just talking nonsense anyway`
`16:06.16`	`JademusSreg`	`I wonder if he's the sliding baneling guy.`
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`16:21.28`	`Tobin_`	`I'm back, you up for it now Jademus?`
`16:21.55`	`JademusSreg`	`Sure.`
`16:22.16`	`JademusSreg`	`3 minutes. =)`
`16:23.59`	`Tobin_`	`Alright, thanks for taking the time to test.`
`16:24.50`	`Ashamed`	`i hate how slow the editor is`
`16:24.58`	`Ashamed`	`i just got a solid state hard drive and its still slow as shit`
`16:25.14`	`JademusSreg`	`Doesn't give me much trouble.`
`16:25.37`	`JademusSreg`	`Tobin, I'm logging in.`
`16:25.39`	`Ashamed`	`it does't give me trouble`
`16:25.42`	`Tobin_`	`alrighty`
`16:25.47`	`Ashamed`	`it just takes + seconds to load any list`
`16:25.48`	`Ashamed`	`or anything`
`16:26.42`	`Ashamed`	`hey i changed something and now all my triggers look differnt`
`16:26.51`	`Ashamed`	`what do i press to get them back to normal?`
`16:26.59`	`Ashamed`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:27.05`	`Ashamed`	`they look like that now`
`16:33.56`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Click the View Raw Data button`
`16:34.02`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Should be there somewhere`
`16:54.18`	`Ashamed`	`i just closed my editor >< but next time Shawn I will try that`
`16:54.52`	`Ashamed`	`guys so i am making a pretty original TD :)`
`16:55.17`	`Ashamed`	`and i am getting excited! because I almost have all the mechanics I want done... I Just need to put them all together now ><`
`16:58.47`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Thats awesome. I hope it works ou`
`16:58.49`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`out`
`16:59.56`	`Clord`	`>_>`
`17:00.04`	`Clord`	`been working with Fortress Fight map`
`17:00.27`	`Clord`	`zergs are such spammers but they require about five units to match one ^^`
`17:01.21`	`JademusSreg`	`Tobin, I think the unit choices could be more tactical. If there is one and only one kind thing I can say about battlecraft, it's that it has a tactical dimension to it.`
`17:01.34`	`JademusSreg`	`It's a very violent game of Paper Rock Scissors.`
`17:02.01`	`Tobin_`	`Maybe damage bonuses?`
`17:02.13`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`That reminds me. I have to try to contact squarely`
`17:02.27`	`Clord`	`I just realized that maybe I should not have nerfed zerg this way ^^ lol`
`17:02.56`	`Tobin_`	`melee>range>tank>melee`
`17:02.57`	`Tobin_`	`?`
`17:03.53`	`Clord`	`spamming units gives enough performance issues for SCII`
`17:03.57`	`Clord`	`I gotta find better way :)`
`17:04.52`	`Tobin_`	`jademus, what do you think of limited supply with upgrades?`
`17:05.02`	`JademusSreg`	`Naw, the game has attribute damage bonuses, yet you don't use em.`
`17:05.25`	`JademusSreg`	`I think it overcomplicates gameplay.`
`17:05.36`	`JademusSreg`	`Your suggestion, I mean.`
`17:05.42`	`Clord`	`I heard text tags are really demanding to show en masse... and many computers can't handle it XD`
`17:06.21`	`JademusSreg`	`Hell, I'm the sort of person who is against using melee units and changing their stats, because it makes the unit not intuitive.`
`17:08.02`	`JademusSreg`	`It's one of the things that always pissed me off about Battlecraft.`
`17:08.07`	`Clord`	`funny thing... add tons moving text tags`
`17:08.10`	`JademusSreg`	`Infestors don't attack!`
`17:08.11`	`Clord`	`and look them in view`
`17:08.12`	`Clord`	`XD`
`17:08.15`	`Clord`	`and lagggggg!`
`17:08.15`	`Clord`	`XD`
`17:08.17`	`Tobin_`	`true, I'm really not sure what to do with units...`
`17:08.53`	`Tobin_`	`All of the tests have been to find the base gameplay mechanics (resource distribution mostly).`
`17:09.22`	`JademusSreg`	`I say either make the units melee, in terms of stats and costs, or try really hard to redefine the profile of each unit and make a more self-consistent aesthetic.`
`17:10.21`	`JademusSreg`	`Some sees Marine and expects it to be like a Marine, hp, damage, and all. A 6 mineral Hydralisk and a 10 mineral Roach are confusing, completely unintuitive.`
`17:10.40`	`Tobin_`	`i see your point.`
`17:10.48`	`JademusSreg`	`I used Ghosts more of the game because intuitively, Ghosts counter light, biological units.`
`17:12.43`	`Clord`	`lool`
`17:12.46`	`Clord`	`lol`
`17:13.09`	`Clord`	`I don't have such problem`
`17:13.31`	`Clord`	`I expect unit to do what map tells it to do XD`
`17:14.46`	`JademusSreg`	`Your card game has the benefit of cards, full of info and shit. Most everything important is right there, obvious.`
`17:17.28`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Which is why I had to remove the command info panel from my game`
`17:17.36`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`To make my own full of infos`
`17:18.35`	`JademusSreg`	`My point is that renaming a Marine and changing some stats is less than desirable, and not changing the name and changing stats is even worse. =)`
`17:19.36`	`Tobin_`	`I guess ill start brainstorming some names then, because i'm against using melee unit stats.`
`17:19.52`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`So i should rename my marines "stalker" and see what happens`
`17:20.47`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Jade, what about changing name and not changing stats?`
`17:21.17`	`Tobin_`	`lol`
`17:22.19`	`JademusSreg`	`That is just laziness.`
`17:23.07`	`JademusSreg`	`"Guys, check it out, I renamed Zealot to High Falootin Butt Pirate. This will be the best BGH map ever."`
`17:23.51`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`What about if every unit has 10 hp and you create a 14x14 array to calculate all damage done through triggers and a algorithm based on health and terrain bonuses?`
`17:24.04`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`>.>`
`17:24.10`	`JademusSreg`	`That's cool.`
`17:24.26`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Oh good. I was starting to think you wouldn't like my map`
`17:24.59`	`JademusSreg`	`It's enough of a departure from the feel of the standard game that such differences are anticipated.`
`17:25.32`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`next we'll work on that turn based melee game`
`17:25.38`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`and turn based dota`
`17:25.41`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`and turn based fps`
`17:25.47`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`and turn based bound`
`17:25.54`	`Tobin_`	`turn based fps haha`
`17:25.55`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`OH! A bound map`
`17:26.54`	`JademusSreg`	`Know what's more awesome than a turn based FPS?`
`17:27.02`	`JademusSreg`	`A Second Person Shooter.`
`17:27.23`	`JademusSreg`	`A game you play through the eyes of the enemy.`
`17:27.34`	`Wihl`	`Someone needs to create a Worms/Gunbound map`
`17:27.41`	`Wihl`	`so I can shoot banelings at people`
`17:28.04`	`JademusSreg`	`Gunbound had a bit too much metagame bullshit for my tastes, but the core was solid and cool.`
`17:28.10`	`Tobin_`	`jademus, thats called spectator mode...`
`17:28.24`	`JademusSreg`	`Tobin, nope. I'm looking for the link.`
`17:28.28`	`Wihl`	`Gunbound had too many brazilians for my taste`
`17:28.31`	`Wihl`	`otherwise i liked the game`
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`17:28.51`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`How many is a brazilian!!`
`17:29.30`	`JademusSreg`	`http://www.kongregate.com/games/himojii/second-person-shooter-zato`
`17:29.41`	`Wihl`	`Shawn\|Rawr too many + 1`
`17:29.44`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I have no idea how a worms game could be possible without destructible terrain`
`17:29.56`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`That was my favorite part`
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`17:31.11`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`brb`
`17:31.17`	`Tobin__`	`how is tobin taken?`
`17:31.30`	`Tobin__`	`...`
`17:32.30`	`Clord`	`shawn... worms 3d and worms mayhem`
`17:32.30`	`Clord`	`XD`
`17:32.35`	`Clord`	`oh right`
`17:32.38`	`Clord`	`those has destructive terrain`
`17:35.13`	`Tobin___________`	`thats very interesting jademus`
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`17:35.27`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`This is ridiculous!`
`17:35.31`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`O__O`
`17:35.37`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha`
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`17:38.34`	`Ashamed`	`I fnally got my trigger to work ^^`
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`18:19.33`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`jmanv or JManV\|Work, you here?`
`18:22.10`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`JademusSreg?`
`18:22.14`	`JademusSreg`	`Yeah?`
`18:22.36`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Do you remember jman ever talking about his jumping for the pokemon game?`
`18:22.48`	`JademusSreg`	`Nope.`
`18:22.50`	`JademusSreg`	`Why?`
`18:23.01`	`JademusSreg`	`Oh wait.`
`18:23.12`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I'm wondering why he cant just fake it with 1x1 destructible rocks`
`18:23.14`	`JademusSreg`	`You mean down from cliffs, like in the original?`
`18:23.21`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Yes, that`
`18:24.24`	`JademusSreg`	`I'm wondering why he can't do it with a hidden Jump class ability, region, and a trigger to issue the order.`
`18:24.41`	`JademusSreg`	`=)`
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`18:24.52`	`JademusSreg`	`Hey Shadow.`
`18:25.41`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Right, I was just thinking about it because someone wrote a thread saying they wanted to make a mario game, then changed their mind and said they wanted to make a pokemon game`
`18:26.03`	`JademusSreg`	`I think I'm nearly ready to test my rewritten WASD script. I've been writing it in notepad++ in my free time, since it's much faster. =)`
`18:26.21`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I loved notepad++ earlier`
`18:26.34`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Transferring data from one map to another is so much easier with the tabs`
`18:28.05`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`plus it has so many highlighters for my html/css/php stuff`
`18:31.30`	`JademusSreg`	`brb`
`18:53.34`	`Shadoooow`	`I just noticed, the block models that are uploaded right now don't have a death animation.`
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`19:33.36`	`JManV`	`i almost got jumping working with an ability`
`19:33.51`	`JManV`	`but there were some actor glitches that i didn't bother to fix`
`19:34.06`	`JManV`	`i just haven't put the effort into it that's required`
`19:38.58`	`Motive`	`YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH`
`19:39.02`	`Motive`	`;D`
`19:39.06`	`Motive`	`Guys I think I'm insane.`
`19:39.07`	`Motive`	`Thoughts?`
`19:41.19`	`JManV`	`absolutely`
`19:41.24`	`Motive`	`I see`
`19:41.36`	`JManV`	`let me ask you something`
`19:41.41`	`JManV`	`phantomcraft`
`19:41.52`	`JManV`	`did you actually build onto on of the old phantom maps`
`19:42.04`	`Motive`	`I wrote PhantomCraft from scratch in 100% Galaxy`
`19:42.07`	`JManV`	`cuz there were a lot of elements that were exactly the same`
`19:42.10`	`Motive`	`Yup`
`19:42.11`	`JManV`	`huh`
`19:42.16`	`Motive`	`I modeled it after Phantom Mode since I liked Infernal's design`
`19:42.22`	`Motive`	`but the code is 100% mine`
`19:42.26`	`Motive`	`https://github.com/Motive/LibPhantom`
`19:42.29`	`Motive`	`and open source and sexy`
`19:42.43`	`JManV`	`cool`
`19:42.46`	`JManV`	`was just wondering`
`19:43.07`	`JManV`	`didn't you used to have a rooster sound or something?`
`19:43.13`	`Motive`	`rooster sound? Lol`
`19:43.20`	`JManV`	`when day broke`
`19:43.26`	`JManV`	`and another sound when night broke`
`19:43.27`	`Motive`	`that was WC3 lolol`
`19:43.36`	`JManV`	`must have been someone else's phantom`
`19:43.43`	`Motive`	`prolly took the sounds from WC3`
`19:43.47`	`Motive`	`maybe Dogmai's`
`19:43.48`	`JManV`	`it was a cool/funny effect`
`19:43.53`	`JManV`	`yeah, that's who it was`
`19:44.46`	`Motive`	`Players can no longer hide units by setting them in a close proximity patrol (ex: Viking flower).`
`19:44.48`	`Motive`	`oh nooooooooooooo :(`
`19:44.59`	`JManV`	`so i've been thinking about a tag map lately`
`19:45.03`	`JManV`	`yeah i noticed that`
`19:45.14`	`JManV`	`have you seen any maps that have tag that works the other way around?`
`19:45.23`	`Motive`	`I've been thinking of starting my own map, kind of a MOBA I suppose`
`19:45.28`	`JManV`	`where teh weaker units try to kill the stronger?`
`19:45.28`	`Motive`	`except with some stuff SC2 hasn't seen yet`
`19:45.32`	`JManV`	`to become it`
`19:45.37`	`Motive`	`nope`
`19:45.39`	`Motive`	`good idea though`
`19:45.43`	`JManV`	`and it get points for kills`
`19:45.59`	`Motive`	`I was thinking of combining WASD movement and WoW-style actionbars into a MOBA setting`
`19:46.04`	`JManV`	`old AvP game had a mode called "Predator tag"`
`19:46.05`	`Motive`	`the result being a SC2-style "battleground"`
`19:46.07`	`JManV`	`it was much fun`
`19:47.20`	`JManV`	`i don't know if the tag game would be better in 3rd person or top down`
`19:47.26`	`JManV`	`but i'm kinda too lazy to make it top down`
`19:47.30`	`Motive`	`prolly 3rd person`
`19:47.41`	`Bounty`	`3rd person wasd? DO IT!!`
`19:47.46`	`Bounty`	`><`
`19:48.03`	`JManV`	`i just don't know how to make dudes shoot, really :P`
`19:48.14`	`Bounty`	`i can give u my system`
`19:48.17`	`JManV`	`cuz jademus already built the WASD part`
`19:48.29`	`Motive`	`writing your own shooting system is fun`
`19:48.35`	`Bounty`	`do you want 3D shooting?`
`19:48.37`	`Bounty`	`like up and down etc`
`19:48.42`	`Motive`	`the basics involve just grabbing some pen and paper and coming up with the geometry behind it`
`19:48.44`	`Motive`	`once that's done it's easy`
`19:49.06`	`Motive`	`I laughed at this patch note:`
`19:49.08`	`Motive`	`Additional cheats are now available in-game when using Test Document.`
`19:49.13`	`Motive`	`Cortex roleplay has pretty much all of those done :)`
`19:49.16`	`JManV`	`those are awesome`
`19:49.48`	`Bounty`	`ok then i take that as a no lol`
`19:50.03`	`Bounty`	`neways, Motive you dont always need to go that far to make a shooting system`
`19:50.08`	`JManV`	`huh?`
`19:50.14`	`Bounty`	`You would be surprised how easy my system is to make`
`19:50.26`	`JManV`	`i need like a marine gun and a grenade for the marines`
`19:50.27`	`Bounty`	`i asked if you wanted my projectile system`
`19:50.33`	`JManV`	`the grenade would be an AOE tho`
`19:50.35`	`Motive`	`I didn't do it with pen and paper either but I still think for something like that, pen and paper wins`
`19:50.38`	`Motive`	`you avoid a lot of the border cases`
`19:50.41`	`Motive`	`like shooting straight up`
`19:50.45`	`Motive`	`just b/c you can see it in picture form`
`19:50.55`	`Bounty`	`JmanV, do you need 3D shooting for your map?`
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`19:51.02`	`Bounty`	`like, up and down`
`19:51.15`	`JManV`	`i don't know what you mean`
`19:51.43`	`Bounty`	`you said u dint know how to make units shoot`
`19:51.47`	`Bounty`	`didnt*`
`19:51.56`	`Bounty`	`and im trying to help lol`
`19:52.01`	`JManV`	`yeah, 3rd person shooting`
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`19:52.12`	`Bounty`	`ok so the ability to aim up and down?`
`19:52.21`	`JManV`	`already have that`
`19:52.31`	`JManV`	`just need to make it shoot forward`
`19:52.33`	`JManV`	`or in a projectile`
`19:52.50`	`Bounty`	`well u could try what i do and figure out a way to make it work with up and down`
`19:52.53`	`Bounty`	`i use probes :)`
`19:52.59`	`Bounty`	`for all of my projectiles`
`19:53.24`	`Clord`	`there is one silly EU poster`
`19:53.27`	`JManV`	`i'm sure i could look it up real quick`
`19:53.28`	`Clord`	`he does greeting in protoss`
`19:53.31`	`Bounty`	`swap the model out, adjust the speed etc and create them when needed`
`19:53.35`	`Clord`	`and ends it with another protoss saying`
`19:53.35`	`JManV`	`i just don't really want to go to the effort`
`19:53.35`	`Clord`	`XD`
`19:53.41`	`Clord`	`in every damn post`
`19:53.43`	`Bounty`	`thats what im saying JManV`
`19:53.51`	`Bounty`	`my method is so easy there is almost no effort`
`19:54.02`	`Bounty`	`and it works perfectly fine lol`
`19:54.45`	`Bounty`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2KzABG26PE`
`19:54.48`	`Bounty`	`All Probes`
`19:54.49`	`Clord`	`it is like.... <I say this line> actual post <another useless ending line>`
`19:54.54`	`Bounty`	`every projectile is a probe lol`
`19:54.57`	`Bounty`	`in that video`
`19:54.58`	`Bounty`	`><`
`19:55.32`	`Clord`	`btw.. with mpq editor you can switch from sc2multi dependency to sc2mod one... even when editor says no`
`19:55.37`	`Clord`	`it was very useful for me :)`
`19:57.26`	`Clord`	`what I wonder`
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`19:57.40`	`Clord`	`because mpqeditor can do it with simple copy pasting`
`19:57.46`	`Clord`	`why their editor can't handle to do it ^^`
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`20:25.33`	`JademusSreg`	`I return.`
`20:26.26`	`Bounty`	`><`
`20:27.36`	`JademusSreg`	`?`
`20:27.53`	`Bounty`	`?`
`20:28.10`	`JademusSreg`	`I don't know what >< means.`
`20:28.11`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`My roommate just got a check for 2500`
`20:28.27`	`Bounty`	`Think of the >< as eyes`
`20:28.33`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`He's now the personal assistant to some CEO or something via an ad he found on craigslist`
`20:28.37`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`>.>`
`20:28.49`	`Bounty`	`LOL`
`20:29.01`	`JademusSreg`	`My eyes never look like that. =(`
`20:29.01`	`Bounty`	`r u seriosu Shawn? Thats a scam`
`20:29.15`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`$2500 is a scam?`
`20:29.24`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`That's a pretty bad one for the scammer`
`20:29.51`	`Bounty`	`I bet you that if he cashes that check it will vanish from his account in a few days`
`20:29.57`	`JademusSreg`	`Could be a honeypot for a pyramid scheme.`
`20:30.12`	`JademusSreg`	`=D`
`20:30.28`	`Bounty`	`Whatever it is, its not legit lol`
`20:30.46`	`Bounty`	`You dont get personal assistant to CEO jobs that instantly give you 2500 on fucking craigslist`
`20:30.48`	`Bounty`	`><`
`20:30.58`	`JademusSreg`	`Naw, we don't have enough information to say what it is exactly. But advertising for jobs on craigslist does seem suspicious.`
`20:31.13`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`He sent emails with the guy for a few weeks`
`20:31.19`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`He'll be making purchases for him and whatnot`
`20:31.27`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`20:31.50`	`Bounty`	`i've heard this one befor`
`20:31.55`	`Bounty`	`i cant put my finger on what its called`
`20:32.09`	`Bounty`	`is it a check or money order?`
`20:32.26`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Check`
`20:33.39`	`Bounty`	`4.Foreign countries looking for Assistants in the United States that are honest! They promise you the moon and the stars but really just want you to open a bank account - collect checks (that will eventually bounce) and make payments. You make the payments thinking the money is really there and then the check bounces. Because it is overseas you are stuck and liable for the money!!`
`20:34.33`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`http://www.resourcelogic.net/`
`20:34.38`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Wrong. He's in San Francisco`
`20:34.48`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`20:34.49`	`Bounty`	`ok`
`20:35.00`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`That is the company the check is from`
`20:35.01`	`Bounty`	`forget i said anything then, let me know how that works out for ur roomie`
`20:35.16`	`Bounty`	`but keep this in mind`
`20:35.21`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I never said it wasn't a scam, I'm just saying it's not overseas`
`20:35.47`	`Bounty`	`There have been scams for HOUSES on craigslist. They had all the information about the house, pictures of the inside etc`
`20:35.56`	`Bounty`	`and if u were smart enough to go look at the house for urself`
`20:36.03`	`Bounty`	`u would see ppl were alrdy living there`
`20:36.05`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`20:36.12`	`Bounty`	`and they were overseas`
`20:36.34`	`Bounty`	`its ALWAYS overseas dude, just because they use that companies name doesnt mean anything`
`20:37.54`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`The check was from a branch of bank of america in san francisco. Is it possible for them to o that?`
`20:38.23`	`Bounty`	`have you ever seen the movie Catch Me If You Can? lol`
`20:38.45`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Right, but he never went overseas`
`20:38.54`	`Bounty`	`yeah he did`
`20:39.00`	`Bounty`	`but im just saying`
`20:39.05`	`Bounty`	`how easy it is to do the whole fake check thing`
`20:39.16`	`Bounty`	`My mother fell for some shit like this a few years ago`
`20:39.19`	`Bounty`	`4,000 check`
`20:39.26`	`Bounty`	`the bank cashed it (whic they SHOULD NOT HAVE)`
`20:39.36`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`So what do we do?`
`20:39.37`	`Bounty`	`and she spent money, and then they took the money back after they found out it was fake`
`20:40.00`	`Bounty`	`well, if u really beleive this is legit then take it to the bank`
`20:40.05`	`Bounty`	`make them look at it`
`20:40.12`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`We can have them verify the funds`
`20:40.20`	`Bounty`	`if they cash it after u demand them to verify it`
`20:40.24`	`Bounty`	`and it turns up fake`
`20:40.26`	`Bounty`	`sue em`
`20:40.30`	`Bounty`	`dont let them take the money back lol`
`20:40.48`	`Bounty`	`if the bank was stupid enough to cash it, they lose... not u`
`20:40.51`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`For sure?`
`20:40.59`	`Bounty`	`thats what i would do`
`20:41.07`	`Bounty`	`but u gotta tell them to REALLY check it lol`
`20:41.24`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`afaik all they can do is verify that the funds are there.`
`20:41.43`	`Bounty`	`they cant check for a fake check?`
`20:41.43`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I don't know about anything else`
`20:41.58`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`They can make sure it won't bounce if that's what you mean`
`20:42.00`	`Bounty`	`just tell them you have some concerns about this check and would it verified`
`20:42.09`	`Bounty`	`it can have the fund`
`20:42.13`	`Bounty`	`and be a fake check`
`20:43.19`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Well.. If you really think that it would be considered their fault after verifying it`
`20:43.29`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Then I think that will have to be good enough`
`20:43.29`	`Bounty`	`make sure u tell them "If you cash this check and it turns up fake or bounces i dont lose that money right?"`
`20:43.33`	`Bounty`	`thats what i told my mother`
`20:43.40`	`Bounty`	`bc its bullshit that she had to pay it back`
`20:43.52`	`Bounty`	`they cashed it, its their job to prevent check fraud like that`
`20:43.54`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Right, but my roomie was told not to spend it lol`
`20:44.10`	`Bounty`	`not to cash it at all?`
`20:44.26`	`Bounty`	`was he told to open a bank account for it?`
`20:44.50`	`A1win^`	`uh... I'm trying to come up with an idea for a co-op map with somehow original gameplay and which wouldn't take too much effort to implement into a playable map (so that only adding more content would be the time consuming part) ...but my head is hurting of all the thinking already and haven't figured out anything useful`
`20:44.57`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`The guy didn't tell him anything but not to spend it, and that it was for the CEO's purchases that he will be handling`
`20:45.08`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Like an assistant does`
`20:45.11`	`Bounty`	`4.Foreign countries looking for Assistants in the United States that are honest! They promise you the moon and the stars but really just want you to open a bank account - collect checks (that will eventually bounce) and make payments. You make the payments thinking the money is really there and then the check bounces. Because it is overseas you are stuck and liable for the money!!`
`20:45.13`	`Bounty`	`did you read that?`
`20:45.27`	`Bounty`	`thats pretty much what you're describing`
`20:45.29`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Yes. He was never told to open a bank account`
`20:45.47`	`Bounty`	`even if he isnt told to`
`20:45.57`	`Bounty`	`account - collect checks (that will eventually bounce) and make payments. You make the payments thinking the money is really there and then the check bounces. Because it is overseas you are stuck and liable for the money!!`
`20:45.59`	`JademusSreg`	`A1, those two things are mutually exclusive.`
`20:46.05`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I know. We'll be careful.`
`20:46.20`	`Bounty`	`if you wanna really be sure`
`20:46.21`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`How long does it take for a transaction like that to be completely solid?`
`20:46.26`	`Bounty`	`meet this dude in person lol`
`20:46.32`	`Bounty`	`thats the problem`
`20:46.42`	`Bounty`	`its never "solid"`
`20:46.46`	`Bounty`	`kinda like paypal`
`20:46.49`	`Bounty`	`like if i send you 500 bucks`
`20:46.53`	`Bounty`	`and it clears and everything`
`20:46.56`	`Bounty`	`i could call paypal in 2 months`
`20:46.57`	`*** join/#sc2mapster MrOp (~MrOp@76.76.73.7)`
`20:47.01`	`Bounty`	`and get that money back from u`
`20:47.06`	`MrOp`	`hi`
`20:47.11`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I so would close my account`
`20:47.21`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Fuck you if your getting my 500 back`
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`20:47.40`	`Bounty`	`u just gave me an idea lol`
`20:47.53`	`JademusSreg`	`The site is pretty clean, if not boring and aesthetically dull.`
`20:47.54`	`JManV`	`a1win?!?!`
`20:47.54`	`Bounty`	`why not open an account, cash it, cash it all out after it clears and close the account`
`20:47.58`	`JademusSreg`	`I have JS disabled, of course.`
`20:48.07`	`A1win^`	`woot`
`20:48.10`	`Bounty`	`could the bank come after u if a check bounces after u close ur account?`
`20:48.16`	`JManV`	`you back?`
`20:48.24`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I don't know. I'll have to look into it`
`20:48.28`	`JademusSreg`	`Sure looks like it.`
`20:48.28`	`A1win`	`dunno :P`
`20:48.30`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha`
`20:48.33`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Luckily research is my favorite thing`
`20:48.48`	`JManV`	`i've built a dynamic building engine since you've gone, a1`
`20:48.49`	`A1win`	`just felt like creating something... but don't want to start a huge project that would just get stuck again`
`20:48.55`	`Bounty`	`bc if the bank doesnt come after u if u have closed ur bank account`
`20:49.01`	`A1win`	`oh :P`
`20:49.02`	`Bounty`	`i am so goign to make a living off scamming scammers`
`20:49.05`	`Bounty`	`><`
`20:49.15`	`JademusSreg`	`A1, make some simple things.`
`20:49.16`	`JademusSreg`	`=D`
`20:49.21`	`JManV`	`cat v mouse :P`
`20:49.26`	`A1win`	`I already had a kind of a dynamic engine for mine... but probably different from yours`
`20:49.37`	`JademusSreg`	`Modest games with modest ambitions, but well executed and polished.`
`20:50.07`	`JManV`	`mine might be a little too eleborate :P`
`20:50.33`	`JManV`	`not random buildings, but dynamically placed on the map`
`20:50.45`	`JManV`	`so i can do towers and such`
`20:51.29`	`A1win`	`ah`
`20:53.04`	`A1win`	`I was thinking of something abstract like players collecting different colors of balls as reward from each battle, then having to choose which ones to put into use, each ball does "elemental damage" on enemies that are also something abstract like different shapers or such... but I didn't get it to an interesting enough level yet :P`
`20:53.07`	`JManV`	`planning on releasing it as an asset at some point`
`20:53.30`	`A1win`	`that's when my head started hurting`
`20:53.54`	`JManV`	`this map doesn't work, jademus`
`20:54.02`	`JManV`	`do i have a weird copy or something?`
`20:54.09`	`JManV`	`UDLR`
`20:54.42`	`JademusSreg`	`A bill was recently passed in the House of Representatives that "redefines "pollutant" to exclude carbon dioxide, methane, nitrous oxide, sulfur hexafluoride, hydrofluorocarbons, perfluorocarbons, and any other substance that science might discover contributes to climate change, and says the EPA cannot regulate them." Awesome. Doooooooooom.`
`20:55.16`	`JademusSreg`	`UDLR will be succeeded by Third Person.`
`20:55.41`	`JManV`	`so i should wait?`
`20:55.50`	`JademusSreg`	`But if you need a new WASD script, I can adjust what I have now to suit your needs.`
`20:56.04`	`JManV`	`i do, but this is something else`
`20:56.06`	`JademusSreg`	`I've got a very slick prototype I've been meaning to test.`
`20:56.30`	`JManV`	`i have an idea for shooter that i think i could make in a day if the 3rd person shooter engine's already setup`
`20:56.41`	`JademusSreg`	`It is ALMOST ready.`
`20:56.51`	`JManV`	`i wanna make predator tag`
`20:57.06`	`JademusSreg`	`Should be done sometime today barring unforeseen incredible, terrible mathematical obstacles.`
`20:57.12`	`JManV`	`predator has cloak and heal with energy`
`20:57.25`	`JManV`	`marines have scan and sensors, but are squishy`
`20:57.34`	`JManV`	`predator gets points for killing rines`
`20:57.45`	`JManV`	`rines become predator if they kill him`
`20:57.57`	`JademusSreg`	`Let me pop this baby into the editor and see how many errors I get.`
`20:58.07`	`A1win`	`JManV, how closely are you mimicing the pokemon gameplay btw?`
`20:58.25`	`JManV`	`heh`
`20:58.28`	`JManV`	`pretty close`
`20:58.44`	`JademusSreg`	`Oh wow, Sixen featured my Input script on the front page. Neato.`
`20:59.11`	`A1win`	`I just played pokemon red for a change, and the level system is kind of stupid... even a little level difference makes a big difference in outcome, and it's possible to just grind levels without limits`
`20:59.36`	`A1win`	`I ended up just one-shotting everything with one pokemon in the end`
`20:59.42`	`JManV`	`ah`
`20:59.52`	`JManV`	`i haven't yet done stats if thats what you mean`
`21:00.50`	`JManV`	`i'm nearing a decision on how to deal damage`
`21:00.54`	`JManV`	`i need to test a couple of things`
`21:01.11`	`JManV`	`but i'm interested in what you mean?`
`21:01.27`	`A1win`	`anyway I was thinking that it might be more interesting if it wasn't possible to "outlevel" a pokemon to beat everything else, like make the stats difference on higher levels start getting smaller and smaller`
`21:01.51`	`JManV`	`interesting...`
`21:02.04`	`JManV`	`one-shotting does suck`
`21:02.11`	`A1win`	`so you can keep training them but they won't get too powerful`
`21:02.34`	`JManV`	`ic. diminished returns + infinite levels?`
`21:02.38`	`A1win`	`and you have to use some strategy even with very high level ones`
`21:02.43`	`A1win`	`mm something like that`
`21:02.53`	`JManV`	`oh high level cap`
`21:03.02`	`JManV`	`i dunno if i want to exceed 100`
`21:03.11`	`JManV`	`although i do like the idea of boundless`
`21:03.18`	`JManV`	`or atleast unachieveable bounds`
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`21:03.40`	`JManV`	`but that means cheaters can achieve it and regular players cant`
`21:03.47`	`JManV`	`which is :(`
`21:03.57`	`A1win`	`first I was even thinking that level x vs x would be like 50% chance to win (and often get you on low hp) and when the level difference increased, the chance would just start getting towards 100% but not above (except when using proper weaknesses and such)`
`21:04.20`	`A1win`	`but that would suck for singleplayer stuff`
`21:05.45`	`JManV`	`i do want to add a little bit of dynamicism to both wild and tournament fights`
`21:05.56`	`JManV`	`tournament fights esp, but wild as well`
`21:06.12`	`A1win`	`then I got interested in making a kind of a pokemon clone but without the actual collecting part, and the "pokemon" could be something completely different too (like a card game, but don't really want to make a card game either)`
`21:06.33`	`JManV`	`yeah, i got in a little over my head :P`
`21:06.43`	`JManV`	`i'm still gonna see it through, don't get me wrong`
`21:06.56`	`JManV`	`but it is a huge endeavor`
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`21:07.37`	`A1win`	`so you just build a "deck" or whatever the combination of those things is called, and use it to compete in some kind of a game... possibly involving per-game collection of boosting things to support you, or something like that`
`21:08.37`	`A1win`	`this kind of a gameplay "ideas" are often very difficult to put into practice :P`
`21:08.58`	`A1win`	`but.. I just have a feeling that something like that would be interesting`
`21:10.20`	`A1win`	`we've been playing magic: the gathering so that we have around ~400 different cards in a huge pile, pick a smaller pile for each, construct decks from those and then play... and sometimes the actual deck building is more fun than the playing`
`21:11.01`	`JademusSreg`	`Mmmm MTG.`
`21:11.41`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`NERDS`
`21:11.47`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`jk. sounds fun`
`21:12.07`	`A1win`	`but the cards are already balanced against each other, so those 400 aren't that difficult to pick for the game format... making a game with 400 different things without even knowing about how the mechanics work yet might be rather tough`
`21:12.43`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`If you need help, I am available sirrrrrrr`
`21:12.48`	`A1win`	`well the cards aren't real cards, just printed paper inside plastic sleeves :P`
`21:12.55`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`While I don't do anything else with my life`
`21:13.25`	`A1win`	`help me come up with an awesome co-op map idea that's easy to create and fun to play \/`
`21:13.29`	`A1win`	`\o/`
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`21:13.54`	`A1win`	`...well not easy, but quick ;p`
`21:15.21`	`A1win`	`customizable gameplay for each player, like picking x things from a huge pile of things and then using only those x during the game`
`21:15.50`	`A1win`	`like talents in WoW, deck in MtG (or other CCG), pokemon in.. pokemon, etc.`
`21:17.09`	`A1win`	`except that this might not work in a co-op without players "conspiring" what kind of stuff each one should take, creating roles like tank/healer/dps in WoW`
`21:17.11`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`YUGIOH! YAH!`
`21:17.24`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`>.>`
`21:17.27`	`A1win`	`as co-op? :P`
`21:17.48`	`A1win`	`oh hmm actually I think I confused the game with something else`
`21:18.10`	`A1win`	`yeah nvm, have only heard the name and seen some cards so dunno how it plays`
`21:18.11`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Hmm.. some kind of Defense map where you use cards rather than resources to make units/towers/etc?`
`21:18.23`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Sounds fun`
`21:19.41`	`A1win`	`lemmings :P`
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`21:21.52`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`lemmings? what is that?`
`21:22.09`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`>.>`
`21:22.10`	`A1win`	`http://www.halftimegames.com/files/lemmings/lemmingsss.jpg`
`21:22.29`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I would hope that has destructible terrain`
`21:22.37`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Which I don't see happening in sc2`
`21:22.40`	`A1win`	`hehe`
`21:23.19`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Which is why I brushed off the Worms idea that someone suggested earlier. Without destructible terrain, it wouldnt be the same`
`21:23.37`	`A1win`	`mmh another idea was that each player would just play a kind of a singleplayer game and just see who gets the highest score`
`21:23.43`	`A1win`	`like indirect pvp`
`21:23.59`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Frogger lol`
`21:24.06`	`A1win`	`:P`
`21:24.10`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`There are no bounds maps..`
`21:24.12`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Makes me sad`
`21:24.18`	`A1win`	`bounds?`
`21:24.28`	`JademusSreg`	`Run from shit, dodge shit.`
`21:24.36`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Try not to splose`
`21:24.39`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`splode*`
`21:24.43`	`A1win`	`I mean, the indirect pvp idea combined with the "deck building" idea`
`21:24.52`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Could be fun`
`21:24.53`	`A1win`	`since those would work better together than deck building + pure co-op`
`21:25.09`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`deck building + nexus wars`
`21:25.11`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`D:`
`21:25.22`	`A1win`	`but nexus wars is direct pvp :P`
`21:25.46`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Unless you're fighting a boss ai rather than each other`
`21:25.53`	`A1win`	`mmh right`
`21:26.04`	`A1win`	`haven't seen a lot of variants`
`21:26.55`	`A1win`	`pokemon has the difference from pure deck building that each pokemon also has variables, unlike in a deck of cards where each card is what it is`
`21:27.26`	`A1win`	`(not talking about the pokemon card game)`
`21:27.51`	`A1win`	`so that's also one option, to have "cards" that can vary a bit, though I suppose that might be kind of annoying to balance`
`21:29.17`	`A1win`	`oh btw now I have a better excuse why not to return working with my survival map ;p we started making an actual game with a lot of similar elements to what that map would've had (though still very different in a lot of ways)`
`21:37.15`	`JademusSreg`	`Wakka wakka`
`21:37.42`	`Hati`	`Dunka dunka!`
`21:37.50`	`Bounty`	`I swear man, nothin funnier then listening to the grunts a baby makes when pooping lol`
`21:37.59`	`*** join/#sc2mapster SirDemon (~Alma@line-19036.dyn.kponet.fi)`
`21:38.00`	`Bounty`	`"URRRGGHH!"`
`21:38.41`	`JademusSreg`	`My baby is crying. She's upset because we're not indulging her clinginess at the moment. =)`
`21:38.52`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`21:39.17`	`Bounty`	`mine is sitting on my lap... watching daddy make sum mapz`
`21:39.31`	`Bounty`	`and shitting`
`21:39.32`	`Bounty`	`><`
`21:39.49`	`A1win`	`that means your map sucks`
`21:39.57`	`Bounty`	`rofl`
`21:40.01`	`Bounty`	`"Heres what i think about this dad"`
`21:40.09`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha`
`21:40.30`	`JademusSreg`	`Oh yeah, did you adjust the control scheme to make everything work by mouse?`
`21:40.41`	`Bounty`	`not yet, i just finished the layout for the factory`
`21:40.50`	`Bounty`	`think i made it to hard lol`
`21:40.56`	`Bounty`	`we'll see though`
`21:41.03`	`Bounty`	`pretty much if u bump into anyone`
`21:41.05`	`Bounty`	`GG`
`21:41.27`	`JademusSreg`	`If you include a reverse like I suggested, you'll be able to do some cool shit, I hope.`
`21:41.36`	`Bounty`	`reverse?`
`21:41.44`	`Bounty`	`like backing up?`
`21:41.51`	`Bounty`	`not sure how that would look lol`
`21:41.57`	`JademusSreg`	`Yeah. It would function as a break, ordinarilly.`
`21:42.07`	`JademusSreg`	`Besides, you're already using UnitSetPosition.`
`21:42.19`	`Bounty`	`yeah but the unit would rotate`
`21:42.24`	`Bounty`	`if i order it to turn around`
`21:42.25`	`JademusSreg`	`Wha?`
`21:42.30`	`JademusSreg`	`Don't.`
`21:42.43`	`Bounty`	`besides, what the differance between break and letting go of the throttle?`
`21:43.17`	`JademusSreg`	`Control.`
`21:43.34`	`JademusSreg`	`It's the difference between "I'm going to coast a bit" and "I want to stop right the fuck now."`
`21:43.44`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`21:44.18`	`JademusSreg`	`Hit reverse and turn at the same time and whip around and wreck someone's shit.`
`21:44.25`	`Bounty`	`yeah u will prolly need breaks in the new area`
`21:44.28`	`JademusSreg`	`You know. Fun stuff.`
`21:44.41`	`Bounty`	`alright so what am i making it`
`21:44.42`	`Bounty`	`a break`
`21:44.47`	`Bounty`	`or a full fledged reverse`
`21:44.47`	`JademusSreg`	`Reverse.`
`21:44.53`	`Bounty`	`ok well like i said`
`21:44.54`	`Bounty`	`the problem is`
`21:44.59`	`Bounty`	`the vehicles move via unit orders`
`21:45.01`	`JademusSreg`	`Some people love reverse just for the sake of it.`
`21:45.06`	`JademusSreg`	`Don't move the unit via orders.`
`21:45.12`	`Bounty`	`???`
`21:45.18`	`JademusSreg`	`User set position.`
`21:45.22`	`JademusSreg`	`*Use`
`21:45.29`	`Bounty`	`u mean move unit instantly?`
`21:45.34`	`JademusSreg`	`What's your time increment?`
`21:45.38`	`Bounty`	`.035`
`21:45.40`	`Motive`	`I'm gonna go ahead and just say`
`21:45.42`	`Motive`	`"brake"`
`21:45.43`	`Motive`	`not "break"`
`21:45.46`	`JademusSreg`	`Just set it to zero.`
`21:45.47`	`Motive`	`;)`
`21:46.06`	`Bounty`	`r u talkign about move unit instantly though Jade?`
`21:46.08`	`JademusSreg`	`32 iterations per second is not that bad.`
`21:46.11`	`Bounty`	`i know Motive lol sry`
`21:46.47`	`JademusSreg`	`In my defense, I almost never talk about cars, but often talk about break in the context of flow controls.`
`21:46.58`	`Bounty`	`Jade`
`21:47.00`	`Bounty`	`answer mah question`
`21:47.05`	`Bounty`	`you keep saying set position`
`21:47.11`	`Bounty`	`do you mean move unit instantly`
`21:47.12`	`JademusSreg`	`Instantly is a misnomer.`
`21:47.23`	`JademusSreg`	`Use blend, it will look like movement.`
`21:47.26`	`Bounty`	`i know`
`21:47.28`	`JademusSreg`	`Want to avoid the jittering?`
`21:47.30`	`Bounty`	`how do u think the collision works?`
`21:47.32`	`Bounty`	`lolo`
`21:47.43`	`Bounty`	`it uses move unit instantly`
`21:47.44`	`JademusSreg`	`Make the time period 0.`
`21:48.01`	`Bounty`	`n just so u know`
`21:48.08`	`Bounty`	`this is going to add more time onto how long it takes to finish`
`21:48.16`	`Bounty`	`bc im going to have to scrap the entire engine`
`21:48.26`	`JademusSreg`	`Being awesome is more important than just getting it done. =)`
`21:48.29`	`Bounty`	`wne rebuild it`
`21:48.33`	`Bounty`	`and*`
`21:48.50`	`Bounty`	`i kno lol`
`21:48.54`	`Bounty`	`just saying :)`
`21:51.12`	`JademusSreg`	`It boggles my mind that galaxy allows += and =+ but not ++.`
`21:51.21`	`JademusSreg`	`I mean, come on, what the fuck?`
`21:51.30`	`Motive`	`Yeah that kind of makes me sad`
`21:51.31`	`Motive`	`Lol`
`21:51.50`	`Deaod`	`++ is usually implemented using a different machine code`
`21:51.57`	`Deaod`	`and its fucking unreadable`
`21:52.28`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha`
`21:52.52`	`Deaod`	`sure, its concise syntax`
`21:53.02`	`JademusSreg`	`I wonder if a google search of Java and ++ and unreadable will turn up more than 2 million results.`
`21:53.08`	`JademusSreg`	`=D`
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`21:54.01`	`Dryeyece`	`Hello IRC 8-) hows everyone doin this afternoon`
`21:54.56`	`JademusSreg`	`Hi.`
`21:54.59`	`JademusSreg`	`Great.`
`21:55.39`	`Dryeyece`	`How was map night last night?`
`21:57.53`	`Bounty`	`Jade`
`21:57.57`	`Bounty`	`Is it just me`
`21:58.02`	`Bounty`	`or is the name for my map lame`
`21:58.03`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`21:58.10`	`Dryeyece`	`Whats the name?`
`21:58.14`	`Bounty`	`Speed Craft`
`21:58.22`	`Dryeyece`	`whats the game about?`
`21:58.34`	`Bounty`	`its a racing game`
`21:58.37`	`Bounty`	`F-Zero style`
`21:58.40`	`Bounty`	`fast speeds etc`
`21:58.48`	`Dryeyece`	`I dont think SpeedCraft is lame them`
`21:58.52`	`Dryeyece`	`then*`
`21:58.59`	`Bounty`	`has to be Speed Craft`
`21:59.01`	`Bounty`	`Speedcraft was taken`
`21:59.02`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`21:59.02`	`Dryeyece`	`but it could be cooler...`
`21:59.05`	`Bounty`	`yeah`
`21:59.16`	`Dryeyece`	`time to break out the trusty thesarurs`
`21:59.24`	`Dryeyece`	`Thesaurus`
`22:01.52`	`Dryeyece`	`What kind of racing, is it mario kart style where you get powerups to smoke enemies with or is it more like F-Zero where your just trying to outpace everyone else?`
`22:03.06`	`JademusSreg`	`If I weren't afk, I would have said Speed Craft is a meth-amphetamine cooking Sim-style game.`
`22:03.18`	`JademusSreg`	`But damnit, I missed my opportunity.`
`22:03.36`	`Dryeyece`	`lol`
`22:04.02`	`Dryeyece`	`you could call it SC-Zero`
`22:04.11`	`Dryeyece`	`which is very close phonetically to F-Zero`
`22:04.12`	`JademusSreg`	`Hah.`
`22:05.12`	`Dryeyece`	`I played the fark out of that game when I was like 8`
`22:05.16`	`Dryeyece`	`at the time it came out it was like the awesomest racing game ever`
`22:06.59`	`JademusSreg`	`SC-Zero reminds me of the old alpha build of Starcraft Blizzard showed at the convention. =)`
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`22:12.05`	`A1win`	`has anyone played Illuminati card game?`
`22:12.11`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes.`
`22:12.30`	`Bounty`	`Anyone wanna play Ling Ling Rocket? :)\`
`22:12.32`	`A1win`	`I started thinking if it'd be possible to make a similar game where all players choose their action at the same time, and then all are revealed at once`
`22:13.15`	`JademusSreg`	`A1, I have plans for a turn-based tactical strategy along those lines.`
`22:13.20`	`A1win`	`would at least need to figure out what happens if two players attack the same place and such`
`22:13.37`	`A1win`	`mh`
`22:14.02`	`JademusSreg`	`The concept for the mechanics is between Final Fantasy Tactics and Warhammer 40k.`
`22:14.18`	`JademusSreg`	`Bounty, I'm too busy to play. =)`
`22:15.08`	`Bounty`	`lame ><`
`22:15.11`	`Bounty`	`i havent played it in forever`
`22:15.15`	`Bounty`	`lotsa funz`
`22:15.34`	`JademusSreg`	`I have an elusive bug.`
`22:15.45`	`Bounty`	`the one from the stream lastn ight?`
`22:15.47`	`Bounty`	`night*`
`22:15.52`	`JademusSreg`	`Naw.`
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`22:16.01`	`Bounty`	`whats the bug?`
`22:16.36`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Hey jade, if i incluse a break in an iteration, will it stop the iteration?`
`22:16.39`	`JademusSreg`	`Dunno. Basically, none of it is working. -)`
`22:16.40`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`include*`
`22:16.48`	`JademusSreg`	`Shawn, yes.`
`22:16.54`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`awesome`
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`22:17.51`	`Skittles`	`hihi`
`22:18.13`	`JademusSreg`	`Hi.`
`22:23.22`	`Bounty`	`so, i need some feedback on the new part of the track Jade... whenever you're available let me know :)`
`22:25.27`	`JademusSreg`	`Alright.`
`22:27.18`	`Bounty`	`i think i made it to hard`
`22:27.19`	`JademusSreg`	`Tell me when to log on.`
`22:27.28`	`Bounty`	`im rdy now`
`22:27.57`	`Bounty`	`btw im gonna make the throttle key both W and left click`
`22:28.03`	`Bounty`	`some ppl may like it either way`
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`22:31.52`	`A1win`	`mmh is there a better way to implement wasd movement system than there was like... last year?`
`22:33.07`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`jademus' script is the best`
`22:33.10`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`:D`
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`22:34.09`	`A1win`	`how does it work?`
`22:34.13`	`JademusSreg`	`=D`
`22:34.23`	`JademusSreg`	`I'm working on a cleaner implementation currently.`
`22:35.01`	`A1win`	`but I mean what's the difference from the "old way" of doing it?`
`22:35.04`	`JademusSreg`	`But my old one was probably the best, too. There were a few issues I needed to solve, that I could only do by rewriting the system.`
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`22:35.15`	`JademusSreg`	`I'll show you my old script.`
`22:35.42`	`JademusSreg`	`Forgive the crudeness: http://pastebin.com/LJsHhvRx`
`22:36.13`	`JademusSreg`	`The one I'm currently working on is more efficient, and uses my Input script.`
`22:36.45`	`JademusSreg`	`Which apparently is featured on mapster's front page today.`
`22:36.56`	`JademusSreg`	`I'm flattered. =o`
`22:37.10`	`JademusSreg`	`Anyway, I'm stepping out to kick a ball around with my girls. brb`
`22:37.18`	`A1win`	`is it still just a key down/key up event at its core?`
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`22:38.21`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`It has to be a key press event`
`22:38.33`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`But there is only one trigger and an infinite while loop`
`22:38.48`	`A1win`	`right`
`22:39.00`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`it's the best we have so far.`
`22:39.04`	`A1win`	`so there's still the usual lag in responsiveness?`
`22:39.20`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`It's actually extremely responsive`
`22:39.30`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Even on my POS computer`
`22:39.36`	`A1win`	`yea but over battle.net`
`22:39.44`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I do mean over bnet`
`22:39.50`	`A1win`	`hmmh`
`22:39.57`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`You should try it out`
`22:40.05`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Just slap that shit in a test map and give it a go`
`22:40.20`	`A1win`	`how do I add a custom script?`
`22:40.52`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Right click in the trigger area and go to new custom script`
`22:41.20`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`ctrl+alt+t if you like hotkeys`
`22:42.30`	`A1win`	`mmh... the editor froze up`
`22:42.46`	`A1win`	`after I pasted it :x`
`22:43.11`	`A1win`	`oh, just for a while`
`22:45.46`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Thats the code highlighter`
`22:45.50`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`no way to turn it off`
`22:46.52`	`grim001`	`back`
`22:49.25`	`A1win`	`mmf the script isn't creating a unit for me o:`
`22:49.36`	`A1win`	`or showing it`
`22:49.48`	`Sixen`	`JademusSreg: It's cool, you do a ton, it's deserving :p`
`22:50.29`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I helped too!`
`22:50.30`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`:D`
`22:50.55`	`Skittles`	`hmm`
`22:52.22`	`Skittles`	`I like how sixen gave my map a shout out :p`
`22:52.58`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`i like sixen`
`22:53.09`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`hes a cool guy`
`22:53.14`	`Sixen`	`:P`
`22:53.20`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`sounds like the curse guys are pricks though`
`22:53.23`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`>.>`
`22:53.24`	`A1win`	`durrp can't get the script to do anything ;p`
`22:53.29`	`Skittles`	`hmm`
`22:55.00`	`A1win`	`but I've never used custom scripts so might be something simple I did wrong`
`22:55.49`	`A1win`	`ah :P`
`22:55.52`	`A1win`	`init function missing`
`22:56.29`	`Sixen`	`derp! :P`
`22:57.26`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Would you like to comment on the curse staff sixen?`
`22:57.39`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I would like to know your thoughts on them`
`22:58.34`	`A1win`	`mmh`
`22:58.45`	`A1win`	`same responsiveness as my wasd system`
`22:58.50`	`A1win`	`although more elegant ;p`
`22:58.59`	`A1win`	`just can't get rid of that lag so meh`
`22:59.52`	`Skittles`	`Who's the curse staff your talking about anyway shawn\|Rawr`
`23:01.03`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`The ones in charge of not being helpful with our wiki`
`23:01.04`	`A1win`	`mmf any idea why my cursor sometimes disappears in-game after alt-tabbing?`
`23:01.34`	`JManV`	`i noticed that about jademus' game`
`23:01.52`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`And also, why are WoW author people considered authors on our site? Screw them.. >.>`
`23:01.53`	`Bounty`	`i know how to avoid that issue`
`23:01.55`	`JManV`	`its super annoying`
`23:02.09`	`A1win`	`ah it's because of the script`
`23:02.10`	`Hati`	`Shawn\|Rawr: because it's curseforge`
`23:02.23`	`Bounty`	`only use Camera - Turn camera mouse rotation On for player (Picked integer) and Camera - Lock camera mouse relative mode On for player (Picked integer)`
`23:02.24`	`Bounty`	`not hide mouse`
`23:02.31`	`Bounty`	`and dont run it on map init`
`23:02.39`	`Bounty`	`do like... Elapsed Game time = .035`
`23:02.45`	`Bounty`	`and the mouse will stay intact after you exit`
`23:03.08`	`A1win`	`mm k... not using the script anymore anyway but good to know if I come across it again`
`23:03.34`	`Bounty`	`only problem with my solution is osmetimes it doesnt hide the mouse cursor`
`23:03.40`	`Bounty`	`but thats a good trade off imo`
`23:03.41`	`Hati`	`Shawn\|Rawr: it's not just WoW authors, also AoC addon authors, WAR, etc.`
`23:03.54`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`That's dumb imo`
`23:04.04`	`Hati`	`why`
`23:04.43`	`Hati`	`the author members are just green-boxe`
`23:04.43`	`Hati`	`d`
`23:04.51`	`Hati`	`otherwise most of them would be orange-boxed anyway`
`23:05.21`	`Bounty`	`lol Aiur Chef has 5 hours played`
`23:05.50`	`Hati`	`Shawn\|Rawr: and you can actually see if they map or not (Maps and Asset are listed seperately)`
`23:05.58`	`P_R_Deltoid`	`Bounty, what does that even mean`
`23:06.00`	`P_R_Deltoid`	`5 hours played`
`23:06.33`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Hati, tell them to give us more control over the wiki`
`23:06.35`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`>.>`
`23:06.48`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`DEMAND IT`
`23:06.50`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`!`
`23:07.23`	`Hati`	`i already asked sixen why we don't have a mediawiki`
`23:07.47`	`Hati`	`answer is pretty simple: current one is good enough ; mediawiki is overkill`
`23:08.11`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`The current one is not user friendly and doesn't look like a wiki`
`23:08.14`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`>.>`
`23:08.27`	`Hati`	`but it can store the information :)`
`23:09.18`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Besides that, the wiki discussions seemed to have stopped a month ago`
`23:10.31`	`Hati`	`and btw`
`23:11.27`	`Hati`	`what about Shawn\|Rawr: http://sc2mapster.wikia.com/wiki/SC2Mapster_Wiki ?`
`23:12.14`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`it says that its no longer any good right on the front page iirc`
`23:13.03`	`Hati`	`yeah reading the bold text first ... is always a good idea`
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`23:14.38`	`Tobin_`	`Anybody want to help me test my map? (NA) Its mostly going to be balancing.`
`23:15.36`	`Hati`	`EU`
`23:25.03`	`JademusSreg`	`Back,.`
`23:25.06`	`A1win`	`hmm... any space exploration maps around? like fly in huge open space and discover planets or something`
`23:25.29`	`JademusSreg`	`I've got a super map proof of concept if you want to make one.`
`23:25.52`	`JademusSreg`	`Another crude prototype, but functional.`
`23:26.21`	`JademusSreg`	`Seed values for the algorithmic RNG are based on the x and y values of your position within the super map.`
`23:26.24`	`A1win`	`well.. depends on what it is :P I'm feeling very picky`
`23:26.58`	`JademusSreg`	`It's not a map for playing, just a demo.`
`23:27.19`	`A1win`	`oh`
`23:27.20`	`JademusSreg`	`http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/SuperMapPOC.SC2Map`
`23:27.22`	`A1win`	`mmh`
`23:28.19`	`JademusSreg`	`Navigate Karass to the edge of a screen, and it will load the next cell in the super map. If you go back, you will return to the same map.`
`23:28.33`	`JademusSreg`	`Very primitive though.`
`23:28.52`	`A1win`	`ah like that`
`23:28.55`	`Bounty`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1zuAQAhhMI`
`23:29.02`	`Bounty`	`Earth has 2 Moons wtf? lol`
`23:29.04`	`A1win`	`I have a better idea :P`
`23:29.06`	`JademusSreg`	`To make a decent supermap, you'd be better off using a small 2 D array with seed values and specific object definitions.`
`23:29.21`	`A1win`	`which is based on my indoor system for the survival map`
`23:29.25`	`A1win`	`well, not better`
`23:29.33`	`A1win`	`but... allows more space`
`23:29.44`	`JManV`	`:)`
`23:30.00`	`JademusSreg`	`My supermap in the demo allows for a very large number of cells.`
`23:30.11`	`A1win`	`was just thinking that instead of moving the player, I'd move the background stuff... which would be easy in space environment`
`23:30.12`	`JademusSreg`	`Cells in this case being a set of objects for a 64*64 map.`
`23:30.24`	`A1win`	`so it'd allow virtually infinite sized area`
`23:30.40`	`A1win`	`but every object would have to be a unit`
`23:30.59`	`Sixen`	`I just realized, we don't have any tutorial on just uploading custom models.`
`23:31.08`	`Sixen`	`oh ya we do, I lied`
`23:31.16`	`A1win`	`but anyway`
`23:31.32`	`Bounty`	`Did you "lie" or did you infact "fail" Sixen?`
`23:31.38`	`Bounty`	`><`
`23:31.44`	`A1win`	`what I was thinking of would be flying in space with a ship you can upgrade, land on planets / space stations etc.`
`23:31.50`	`A1win`	`like what was it... freelancer`
`23:31.51`	`Sixen`	`I lied.`
`23:31.54`	`Sixen`	`;)`
`23:31.54`	`JademusSreg`	`~((((2^32)-1)^2)/2) cells`
`23:32.06`	`BorgDragon`	`can someone tell me why I cannot modify the "landing" position on my teleport effect in relation to the target unit???`
`23:32.27`	`BorgDragon`	`I set the Arc of the teleport to any number and my unit always appears UNDER the unit`
`23:32.29`	`A1win`	`except that flying in open space can be rather dull`
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`23:32.33`	`A1win`	`so meh`
`23:32.37`	`BorgDragon`	`regardless if I teleport from the left, right, top or bottom`
`23:32.50`	`BorgDragon`	`I tried 0 arc, 45, 180, 360...`
`23:33.07`	`BorgDragon`	`it looks stupid if I teleport from above`
`23:33.12`	`BorgDragon`	`or left/right`
`23:33.18`	`JademusSreg`	`A1win, how would you generate objects in your space?`
`23:33.27`	`BorgDragon`	`oh ya, it's also generates a missile`
`23:33.36`	`BorgDragon`	`that looks like my unit, which is why it looks terrible`
`23:33.37`	`A1win`	`you mean generate the "map"?`
`23:33.50`	`JademusSreg`	`Sure.`
`23:33.53`	`A1win`	`just use some random generation algorithm? :P`
`23:34.35`	`JademusSreg`	`But exploring a completely random space is less interesting than exploring a place that can be the same each visit, where you have the opportunity to make discoveries and show others.`
`23:34.48`	`A1win`	`yea I just realized that :P`
`23:35.59`	`A1win`	`by dividing the map into a section for each player, the "super map" can be used in multiplayer too`
`23:36.04`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes.`
`23:36.08`	`JademusSreg`	`Of this I am aware. =)`
`23:36.25`	`JademusSreg`	`I had plans to devleop this as well.`
`23:36.30`	`A1win`	`I've already done that once with small areas`
`23:37.27`	`A1win`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcFxzlEafnQ but the project is way too big x<`
`23:38.03`	`A1win`	`I gave up half way through basic enemy AI :P`
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`23:38.24`	`A1win`	`would've needed to make them walk inside buildings that didn't physically exist at a time`
`23:38.27`	`JademusSreg`	`Pretty neat. Too bad terrain cannot be modified at runtime.`
`23:38.34`	`A1win`	`mm`
`23:39.00`	`JademusSreg`	`Being forced to fake everything and have it only look a fraction as good is a pain in the ass.`
`23:39.13`	`A1win`	`but the walls in the video are just placeholders anyway, could've made better models for them in the end`
`23:39.22`	`A1win`	`mm`
`23:39.49`	`A1win`	`but yeah I don't want to start another big project, wouldn't get it finished anyway :P`
`23:39.56`	`JademusSreg`	`Exactly.`
`23:40.04`	`Bounty`	`do a small project`
`23:40.09`	`Bounty`	`thats what im doing lol`
`23:40.16`	`JademusSreg`	`I just work on proof of concept maps between working on publishable projects.`
`23:40.26`	`Bounty`	`i burnt myself out on Iconic Bosses and need a break`
`23:40.30`	`A1win`	`and we're (very slowly) working on a stand-alone game with random maps and survival elements and stuff so don't really feel like making a map like that`
`23:40.53`	`A1win`	`Bounty, yeah I'm desperately trying to come up with something that's small and interesting enough :P`
`23:41.02`	`Bounty`	`I went with racing lol`
`23:41.08`	`JademusSreg`	`I find putting more effort into the poc maps to be a nice way of staying sharp, trying new things.`
`23:41.08`	`Bounty`	`pretty easy`
`23:41.09`	`JademusSreg`	`http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/GateDemo.SC2Map`
`23:41.36`	`Bounty`	`I think i should make a sequel to one of my maps after im done this racing game`
`23:42.15`	`JademusSreg`	`I made that map to instruct someone on how gates can be made to open and close in GUI, even though I don't use GUI.`
`23:42.28`	`A1win`	`hehe`
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`23:42.42`	`Bounty`	`I wonder if people would want a Doodad Hunt 2?`
`23:43.13`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`When I first Doodad Hunted, I thought you were a God Bounty`
`23:43.13`	`A1win`	`I also have a kind of a special forces / base defense hybrid under construction, it's about half way done but got bored with playing it myself xD`
`23:43.20`	`A1win`	`tested it too much`
`23:43.30`	`Bounty`	`lol o rly Shawn`
`23:43.39`	`JademusSreg`	`Hahaha`
`23:43.53`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Yes`
`23:43.59`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`It was that epic`
`23:44.05`	`Bounty`	`I think its funny how if you go back and play Doodad Hunt now, its like going back and playing an original NES game`
`23:44.11`	`Bounty`	`so bad`
`23:44.12`	`JademusSreg`	`Yar.`
`23:44.12`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`23:44.28`	`JManV`	`http://i55.tinypic.com/jl5mk8.png`
`23:44.38`	`JManV`	`goofing off with my building designer`
`23:44.41`	`JademusSreg`	`Nice room.`
`23:45.00`	`JManV`	`heh`
`23:45.05`	`JManV`	`its a start`
`23:45.09`	`JademusSreg`	`Very GameBoy Color`
`23:45.10`	`JManV`	`i need to lay out more floors`
`23:45.12`	`JademusSreg`	`=D`
`23:45.33`	`JManV`	`i'm trying to lay out all the assets so i can actually build`
`23:45.40`	`JManV`	`see the command card?`
`23:45.57`	`JManV`	`each is a submenu`
`23:46.31`	`Bounty`	`Im leaning towrds either Doodad Hunt 2 or Battlefield Egypt 2`
`23:46.38`	`Bounty`	`the racing map should be finish soon`
`23:46.51`	`JManV`	`wow bounty`
`23:46.52`	`JManV`	`add much?`
`23:46.57`	`JManV`	`ADD`
`23:47.00`	`JademusSreg`	`Hahaha`
`23:47.02`	`Bounty`	`what do u mean?`
`23:47.15`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Twiner\|home (~Twiner@c-98-229-148-216.hsd1.nh.comcast.net)`
`23:47.15`	`JManV`	`you're worse than jademus :P`
`23:47.23`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha`
`23:47.25`	`Bounty`	`.... wtf did i do`
`23:47.26`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`23:47.26`	`JManV`	`at least jademus doesn't pretend he's working on something specific`
`23:47.30`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`jman, i see my vision thing!`
`23:47.36`	`JManV`	`you keep switching projects`
`23:47.41`	`Bounty`	`WTF?`
`23:47.46`	`Bounty`	`im makign the racing map`
`23:47.50`	`JManV`	`yeah, shawn, the vision is applied`
`23:47.51`	`Bounty`	`im just saying what ill start when its done`
`23:47.56`	`JManV`	`i'm teasing you bounty`
`23:48.00`	`Bounty`	`oh`
`23:48.04`	`Bounty`	`<3`
`23:48.07`	`Bounty`	`YOU GOT MEH`
`23:48.08`	`JManV`	`you just seem to have trouble keeping your mind on track :P`
`23:48.16`	`Bounty`	`thats why i started the racing map`
`23:48.20`	`Bounty`	`small project`
`23:48.26`	`JManV`	`anyways, that was a double poke at you and jademus`
`23:48.29`	`Bounty`	`so i dont overload and lose my mind`
`23:48.35`	`JademusSreg`	`That reminds me, I have a perplexing bug.`
`23:48.38`	`JManV`	`but even i'm guilty of that`
`23:48.47`	`JManV`	`i think of side games all the time`
`23:48.57`	`Bounty`	`but all i know is, i watch the original Battlefield Egypt and Doodad Hunt videos and they still look fun imo`
`23:49.06`	`Bounty`	`with improvemens they would be amazing`
`23:49.32`	`A1win`	`meh I feel like making some kind of a pokemon clone as well, just quite a bit of different from the real ones`
`23:49.41`	`A1win`	`and not as comprehensive as JManV's clone :P`
`23:49.56`	`Bounty`	`Did anyone here even play Battlefield Egypt? lol`
`23:49.56`	`JManV`	`yeah, that's where i started, too :P`
`23:50.02`	`A1win`	`>.>`
`23:50.06`	`JManV`	`i had no idea i'd end up this deep`
`23:50.11`	`Bounty`	`i think it was my least played map but somehow it was the most liked`
`23:50.12`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Demo (4304c874@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.4.200.116)`
`23:50.18`	`JManV`	`it's just the direction the game took`
`23:50.23`	`A1win`	`hehe`
`23:50.42`	`JManV`	`i was actually thinking of having a small team that fought real time all at once`
`23:50.45`	`Demo`	`Question: Why does my ghost not love me, he refuses to shoot emp's off of cliffs!`
`23:50.56`	`JManV`	`i'm not even sure what happened with that`
`23:51.24`	`JademusSreg`	`Jman, I'm thinking purity of form got in the way.`
`23:51.27`	`JManV`	`i think i made the original map a little too pokemon like, and real-time didn't really fly over that backdrop`
`23:51.38`	`A1win`	`mmh`
`23:51.54`	`JManV`	`so here i am... :P`
`23:52.08`	`JManV`	`you haven't seen it in a while tho, a1`
`23:52.12`	`JManV`	`it's come a long way`
`23:52.18`	`A1win`	`I bet :P`
`23:52.19`	`*** join/#sc2mapster TeddyTeddy (~Teddy@adsl-75-26-206-129.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net)`
`23:52.27`	`JManV`	`its got a long way to go, though`
`23:52.34`	`JManV`	`but i really love the project`
`23:52.42`	`JManV`	`so it'll get done`
`23:52.57`	`JManV`	`the building designer will speed things up a great deal`
`23:53.11`	`Demo`	`nevermind the bug is not that`
`23:53.12`	`A1win`	`mm seems cool`
`23:53.16`	`Bounty`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbIRr_AhhDg How could people not play a map with rewards like that!?!?!`
`23:53.20`	`JManV`	`i can make gyms in that`
`23:53.23`	`JManV`	`mazes and puzzles`
`23:53.40`	`JManV`	`and more importantly, i can have other people help me`
`23:53.49`	`JManV`	`and i'm pretty sure ppl will want to`
`23:53.57`	`JManV`	`just have to worry about filtering out the crap`
`23:54.58`	`A1win`	`I just hope you won't make all the building puzzles as they were in the original games ;D`
`23:55.09`	`A1win`	`they were awful even with 1000% turbo on emulator`
`23:55.22`	`JManV`	`i'm a little torn on that one`
`23:55.34`	`JManV`	`some people really like those elements`
`23:55.47`	`A1win`	`mm I suppose`
`23:55.54`	`JManV`	`and i'm sure ppl will really want to build mazes and ice puzzles and stuff`
`23:56.02`	`JManV`	`i'm not a fan, personally`
`23:56.14`	`A1win`	`make them optional? ;p`
`23:56.37`	`JManV`	`it also gives me the opportunity to really leverage the building editor tho`
`23:56.37`	`A1win`	`just some bonus rewards`
`23:56.44`	`A1win`	`mmm`
`23:56.55`	`JManV`	`i can maximize on map space by using a lot of buildings`
`23:57.01`	`JManV`	`towers can be fun`
`23:57.15`	`JManV`	`ghost tower was fun`
`23:57.28`	`JManV`	`also, caves can be built in the designer`
`23:57.34`	`JManV`	`once i add all the assets`
`23:57.48`	`JManV`	`even outdoor settings, as long as they are flat`
`23:58.21`	`JManV`	`and i'm also laying out the intro cinematic in it`
`23:58.28`	`JManV`	`so it's pretty flexible`
`23:58.55`	`JManV`	`but it takes up about 1/4 of the map, so i want to really leverage the hell out of it`
`23:58.57`	`A1win`	`I think the most interesting thing about the pokemon scheme for me is the alternative combat method, and that it's the "thing" in its fantasy world, everyone is into it there`
`23:59.08`	`A1win`	`not really the monsters themselves`
`23:59.21`	`JManV`	`no?`
`23:59.29`	`JManV`	`i'm a level-up whore myself`
`23:59.35`	`JManV`	`i can't resist leveling things up`
`23:59.38`	`A1win`	`hehe`
`23:59.43`	`A1win`	`I've done too much leveling up :P`
`23:59.52`	`JManV`	`me too, but i can't stop`

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