| 00:00.34 | MrOp | hi |
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| 00:04.09 | JademusSreg | Testing is fun. |
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| 00:04.19 | JademusSreg | I'm drawing psi storms, haha. |
| 00:05.55 | Bounty | think i found the problem |
| 00:06.07 | Bounty | the vehicle is faster then the camera lol |
| 00:06.11 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 00:06.17 | JademusSreg | I've seen that happen before. |
| 00:06.17 | Bounty | i noticed when i hit top speeds it does it even when im going straight |
| 00:07.03 | Bounty | anyway to fix that? |
| 00:07.19 | JademusSreg | Increase pan speed. |
| 00:07.41 | Bounty | i dont use pan |
| 00:07.51 | Bounty | i use follow unit group |
| 00:08.19 | JademusSreg | Wakka wakka. What do you call what the camera is doing? =D |
| 00:08.35 | Bounty | wait |
| 00:08.41 | Bounty | Parameter Smooth |
| 00:08.46 | Bounty | has an option for rotation |
| 00:09.33 | Bounty | ok |
| 00:09.33 | Bounty | now which one is the pan speed lol i dont see anything about pan |
| 00:09.53 | JademusSreg | Where ya lookin? |
| 00:10.04 | Bounty | Data > Cameras |
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| 00:11.00 | JademusSreg | How about Follow Scroll Limit? |
| 00:11.15 | ThunderLord | does anyone know where i can see a list of all the SC2 fonts? i need to pick one that fits |
| 00:11.28 | ThunderLord | (for dialog item) |
| 00:11.51 | Bounty | nope doesnt do nething lol |
| 00:12.19 | JademusSreg | Thunder, you can extract the layout files from the mpqs. |
| 00:12.21 | slightlyrandom | http://static.sc2mapster.com/content/attachments/3/653/ALL_STYLES_copy.jpg |
| 00:12.23 | Bounty | hmm wonder what Forward Scale does |
| 00:12.25 | slightlyrandom | There's a bunch of em |
| 00:12.28 | JademusSreg | OR THAT! =D |
| 00:12.52 | ThunderLord | Slightly random |
| 00:12.52 | ThunderLord | you |
| 00:12.53 | ThunderLord | win |
| 00:12.54 | ThunderLord | a |
| 00:12.55 | ThunderLord | cook9ie |
| 00:12.58 | ThunderLord | cookie* |
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| 00:13.14 | Bounty | i dont think anything under cameras has a field with instructions lol |
| 00:13.29 | slightlyrandom | http://static.sc2mapster.com/content/attachments/3/164/3ICE_s_SC2_Styles.jpg |
| 00:13.34 | slightlyrandom | That might be a better version |
| 00:13.59 | slightlyrandom | (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=site%3Asc2mapster.com%20styles&aq=f&oq=&aqi=) |
| 00:14.10 | JademusSreg | I barely understand the camera data, but I use it for my third person camera. =) |
| 00:27.21 | nolliepoper | Bounty how did you calculate those points to move to in respect to the units locations and direction it was facing. |
| 00:27.37 | nolliepoper | because the camera follows the unit from behind angle |
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| 00:28.58 | JademusSreg | Congrats. |
| 00:31.02 | Shadow_Killer | How can you have different nicks. |
| 00:31.10 | Shadow_Killer | I never could that. |
| 00:31.19 | JademusSreg | Magic. |
| 00:32.10 | Shadow_Killer | There is no magic. |
| 00:32.12 | JademusSreg | I'm working on splicing my mouse shit and wasd shit together. |
| 00:32.45 | JademusSreg | Also waiting for grim's demonstration of wasd movement using move unit. |
| 00:32.54 | JademusSreg | With collision check. |
| 00:33.29 | Shadow_Killer | What mouse shit? |
| 00:34.23 | JademusSreg | In my demo I have left click casting psi storm. |
| 00:35.24 | JademusSreg | If I disable cursor camera movement, I can track mouse movement (which is pretty silly), and cast psi storms as though I were drawing them. Pretty fun. |
| 00:35.49 | JademusSreg | I can see I shall need to make the camera movement more sophisticated, though. |
| 00:36.25 | Shadow_Killer | I see. |
| 00:36.30 | JademusSreg | Not being able to hold down a button and fire like a crazy person is a serious limit. |
| 00:36.55 | Shadow_Killer | Hah. |
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| 00:37.18 | Shadow_Killer | It's good that you're going for the fun approach and no the "realistic" one. |
| 00:38.59 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 00:39.48 | Shadow_Killer | You don't happen to know any screen recording programs which allows me to choose the recording area? |
| 00:40.07 | Bounty | Back Jademussreg |
| 00:40.22 | Bounty | so |
| 00:40.24 | Bounty | whats smoother |
| 00:40.28 | Bounty | pan camera or follow unit |
| 00:40.32 | JademusSreg | In my defense, I tend to be more critical of the sense of things like setting, story, and their relation to the game mechanics. |
| 00:40.49 | JademusSreg | Bounty, if you want control, use pan camera. |
| 00:41.09 | JademusSreg | Shadow, it's the other popular one that isn't fraps. |
| 00:41.15 | Bounty | how do you set the facing? |
| 00:41.22 | Shadow_Killer | CamStudio? |
| 00:41.27 | Bounty | it only pans the camera to the position |
| 00:41.32 | Bounty | so i still have to use apply camera propery? |
| 00:41.35 | JademusSreg | Just look on a forum where someone mention fraps, and you'll have someone respond "no that sux use X" and X is what you want. |
| 00:41.36 | Bounty | property* |
| 00:41.45 | Skittles | HELLZ YEAH |
| 00:42.10 | Skittles | crysis 2 demo multiplayer, top rewards: Most Kills, Longest Kill Streak, Least amount of deaths. |
| 00:42.19 | JademusSreg | Bounty, you'll need to update everything in your main loop,. |
| 00:42.20 | Shadow_Killer | Hah. |
| 00:42.23 | Skittles | = |
| 00:42.24 | Skittles | D |
| 00:42.40 | JademusSreg | Skit is so excited his head split in half. |
| 00:42.41 | Skittles | brb |
| 00:42.45 | Skittles | Xd |
| 00:42.50 | Skittles | 4 kills ratio is really nice~ |
| 00:42.51 | Skittles | ! |
| 00:42.54 | JademusSreg | (laterally) |
| 00:42.55 | Skittles | 16/4 |
| 00:42.58 | Skittles | brb |
| 00:45.11 | MrOp | sup skittle |
| 00:45.22 | grim001 | so what's the native used to set a unit's current animation |
| 00:46.06 | JademusSreg | native void ActorSend (actor a, string msg); |
| 00:46.07 | JademusSreg | native void ActorSendTo (actor a, string refName, string msg); |
| 00:46.24 | JademusSreg | You send the actor a message to play an animation. |
| 00:46.52 | grim001 | I haven't used all of this actor stuff yet |
| 00:47.02 | grim001 | how do I get an actor from a unit? |
| 00:47.16 | Ousnius | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcdk0DW0EkQ&feature=related |
| 00:47.20 | grim001 | or is actor a supertype of unit |
| 00:47.23 | JademusSreg | native actorscope ActorScopeFromUnit (unit u); |
| 00:47.23 | JademusSreg | native actor ActorFromScope (actorscope as, string name); |
| 00:47.24 | Ousnius | look at his shirt |
| 00:48.00 | MrOp | lol |
| 00:48.20 | Bounty | lol god damnit |
| 00:48.22 | Bounty | now its fuckign word |
| 00:48.26 | Bounty | worse* |
| 00:48.57 | grim001 | and what is the difference between an actorscope and an actor? |
| 00:49.17 | JademusSreg | All actors are contained in actor scopes. |
| 00:49.37 | grim001 | which scope string do I need for walking animations? |
| 00:50.16 | JademusSreg | Does not compute. |
| 00:50.27 | Bounty | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:50.37 | Bounty | it looks like my racer is fucking having a seizure |
| 00:50.40 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:50.48 | grim001 | oh well, this actor system seems dumb to me. |
| 00:51.13 | grim001 | what kind of parameter do I need to use for "string name" in ActorFromScope |
| 00:52.10 | JademusSreg | It is kind of tricky there. Allow me to explain. |
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| 00:52.56 | grim001 | Bounty, try using 100% velocity and 0% deceleration over 0 seconds |
| 00:53.33 | Bounty | LOL |
| 00:53.36 | Bounty | looks even worse |
| 00:53.38 | Bounty | 0 seconds? |
| 00:53.58 | grim001 | how fast is your animation loop? |
| 00:54.09 | Bounty | for the camera? |
| 00:54.14 | Bounty | i keep adjusting it |
| 00:54.16 | Bounty | its at .1 now |
| 00:54.19 | Bounty | it was at .035 |
| 00:54.26 | grim001 | try setting that to 0 as well |
| 00:54.45 | grim001 | and the period for whatever you're tracking with the camera as well |
| 00:54.58 | Bounty | the period? |
| 00:55.20 | grim001 | the amount of time it waits between animation ticks |
| 00:55.33 | Bounty | you mean the wait time? |
| 00:55.42 | grim001 | yes, that is what I have been saying |
| 00:55.57 | Bounty | u said set it to zero |
| 00:56.00 | grim001 | if you want anything to look good, you need to use 0 for the wait time |
| 00:56.03 | grim001 | for everything |
| 00:56.05 | grim001 | pretty much |
| 00:56.15 | Bounty | and set the pan speed to 0? lol |
| 00:56.20 | Bounty | it looks horrible |
| 00:56.25 | grim001 | that's not the speed |
| 00:56.30 | grim001 | that's the amount of time it takes to finish the pan |
| 00:56.41 | grim001 | and it looks horrible because you haven't changed the camera update frequency |
| 00:56.41 | Bounty | which is pretty much the speed |
| 00:56.46 | grim001 | no it's not |
| 00:56.50 | grim001 | it's the inverse of the speed if anything |
| 00:57.12 | Bounty | ok well |
| 00:57.18 | Bounty | panning over 0 seconds |
| 00:57.19 | Bounty | with a wait of 0 |
| 00:57.34 | Bounty | looks like a bad prank >< |
| 00:57.36 | grim001 | did you change the other values as well? |
| 00:57.41 | Bounty | what other values |
| 00:57.45 | Bounty | in data? |
| 00:57.49 | JademusSreg | I had to change a diaper. |
| 00:57.50 | grim001 | the other values I mentioned |
| 00:57.51 | Shadow_Killer | Owen, you ever played dungeon keeper 2? |
| 00:58.01 | Bounty | velocity and decel? yes |
| 00:58.07 | JademusSreg | Shadow, not really. |
| 00:58.14 | grim001 | ok, what are you tracking with the camera? |
| 00:58.20 | Bounty | a unit |
| 00:58.23 | Shadow_Killer | Whatever, I will link something in a sec. |
| 00:58.29 | grim001 | first of all, are you using a periodic timer or a wait loop |
| 00:58.34 | grim001 | because periodic timers aren't fast enough |
| 00:58.35 | Bounty | loop |
| 00:58.42 | grim001 | second, how fast is the unit itself being updated? |
| 00:58.58 | Bounty | every .035 seconds it receives its orders to move |
| 00:59.01 | Bounty | from the wasd |
| 00:59.13 | grim001 | so because it's order based it's moving continuously |
| 00:59.42 | grim001 | so what's wrong with your camera? I set up someone else's camera for a WASD system to look pretty damn smooth with the same settings a couple hours ago |
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| 00:59.52 | Bounty | it jerks |
| 00:59.53 | grim001 | leads me to believe you are doing something wrong |
| 00:59.55 | Bounty | BIg time |
| 01:00.04 | Bounty | i did everythingu said lol |
| 01:00.10 | Ashamed | i have a quick question about data |
| 01:00.19 | grim001 | well send me the map if you can't figure it out |
| 01:00.24 | Ashamed | FieldTime Stats - Maximum Stack Count120 Stats - Maximum Stack Count Per Caster1 |
| 01:00.31 | JademusSreg | grim, I expect name string is the id of the actor in the scope, but since I have not had need to use it, I have not tested and cannot be certain. |
| 01:00.36 | Ashamed | what are the differnce between thoughs two for a behavior ?? |
| 01:00.45 | Ashamed | there is a trippy glitch i keep getting |
| 01:00.52 | Shadow_Killer | I tried mimicing the dirt walls being destryoed in DK2, watcha think? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0uncupu-aw |
| 01:00.58 | JademusSreg | Usually, the id of the unit data is the same as the id for unit data's actor. |
| 01:01.25 | Ashamed | i am trying to display the stack count of a behavior.. when i have maxium stack count per caster 1 it lets me set it just fine to the number of stacks i want.. but when dispaying the txt it says 1 |
| 01:01.29 | JademusSreg | Nice, Shadow. |
| 01:02.13 | Ashamed | and when i set that number higher then 1 it then displays the correct number of stacks and then shoots the valadation that checks the stacks right away |
| 01:02.18 | Ashamed | instead of waiting until there are 0 |
| 01:02.24 | Ashamed | >< if anyone got that |
| 01:02.54 | JademusSreg | Appears murky. Please try again. |
| 01:03.06 | Ashamed | lol |
| 01:03.13 | Ashamed | FieldTime Stats - Maximum Stack Count120 |
| 01:03.19 | Ashamed | Stats - Maximum Stack Count Per Caster1 |
| 01:03.27 | Ashamed | i am trying to display the stack count with a trigger |
| 01:03.38 | Ashamed | but when ever i change the bottom stat the one that is set to 1 |
| 01:03.51 | Ashamed | it displays the correct number of stacks with the txt |
| 01:04.01 | Ashamed | but then my valdator does not work |
| 01:04.05 | Ashamed | if that number is set to 1 |
| 01:04.07 | Ashamed | like it is |
| 01:04.23 | Ashamed | my valdator works but then it only displays as 1 or 2 for the stack of behavior |
| 01:04.36 | Ashamed | i was wondering if there was something i was missing |
| 01:06.58 | JademusSreg | There are known bugs with charges; I wouldn't be surprised if there was similar trouble with count. |
| 01:07.41 | Ashamed | but the thing is i can get it to work >< |
| 01:07.58 | Ashamed | mby i will have to make a dummy behavior |
| 01:08.02 | Ashamed | and set the timer on that one |
| 01:11.22 | JademusSreg | I guess I missed some crucial detail that helps make sense of that. http://i.imgur.com/jzRLu.jpg |
| 01:12.25 | grim001 | I just died in your demo map jademus |
| 01:12.30 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 01:12.47 | JademusSreg | I didn't write respawn or anything. |
| 01:12.53 | JademusSreg | Oops. |
| 01:14.31 | JademusSreg | Yeah, don't shoot yourself with psi storm. |
| 01:15.04 | JademusSreg | It's my place holder for a custom attack of some sort. |
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| 01:21.18 | grim001 | so I have the SetUnitPosition based walking done now |
| 01:21.23 | grim001 | I just need to setup the toggle |
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| 01:22.36 | JademusSreg | Cool. |
| 01:26.20 | JManV | so far i have 7 submenus on my scv :P |
| 01:26.24 | JademusSreg | continues revising his code. |
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| 01:26.44 | Rodrigo | I swear there was a blind woman on my side a while ago |
| 01:26.52 | Rodrigo | she sat here using those blind sticks |
| 01:27.00 | JademusSreg | And that's when I said "I'll show you a plug!" Man, it was awful. |
| 01:27.00 | Rodrigo | and opened a book and started to read |
| 01:27.50 | JManV | good story. |
| 01:28.08 | JademusSreg | Meta and accurate. |
| 01:30.32 | Rodrigo | I swear I laughed |
| 01:30.41 | Rodrigo | yeah, I'm going to hell |
| 01:30.54 | Rodrigo | I laughed because it was unexpected |
| 01:31.07 | Rodrigo | a bling woman opening a book and starting to read |
| 01:31.11 | Rodrigo | blind* |
| 01:31.11 | JademusSreg | I need to find a good way of dividing my core from my implementation. This shit is annoying. |
| 01:31.24 | JManV | apparently, medic stetmann costs 50 minerals and 25 gas |
| 01:31.36 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 01:32.09 | JManV | strange that they actually put in a cost for him |
| 01:32.17 | JManV | maybe it was the product of a copy |
| 01:32.23 | JademusSreg | They were lazy, yeah. |
| 01:33.22 | JademusSreg | Naw, but a cute little oversight. |
| 01:33.34 | JManV | he's cheap, too! |
| 01:33.53 | JademusSreg | Kill Squad Medic |
| 01:34.00 | JManV | it's also funny, because i couldn't "place" him in my building designer, because he had a cost :P |
| 01:36.07 | Bounty | got a noob question for u guys |
| 01:36.12 | Bounty | bc i forgot how to do it |
| 01:36.12 | JademusSreg | O? |
| 01:36.21 | Bounty | when u add to a number |
| 01:36.30 | Bounty | whats the fuction that makes it so it doesnt go over a certain amount |
| 01:36.35 | Bounty | like say i want to modify a units speed |
| 01:36.37 | Bounty | by 1 |
| 01:36.43 | Bounty | but i dont want it to go over 30 |
| 01:36.52 | JademusSreg | Min. |
| 01:37.02 | JademusSreg | Minimum |
| 01:37.09 | JademusSreg | Minomanorino. |
| 01:37.16 | JademusSreg | The Minimizer. Making copies. |
| 01:37.38 | Bounty | Minimum Value? |
| 01:37.54 | JademusSreg | Sure, that's probably it. |
| 01:38.21 | grim001 | anyone know the native to clear text messages on the screen? |
| 01:38.52 | JademusSreg | native void UIClearMessages (playergroup players, int messageArea); |
| 01:38.57 | MrOp | i have a question |
| 01:39.11 | MrOp | so i want to make a (beacan) that as a unit get near to it it beeps faster like a movement tracker or something |
| 01:39.18 | MrOp | any idea on how to do that |
| 01:39.21 | JademusSreg | *bacon |
| 01:39.23 | grim001 | is there an included playergroup that covers all players? |
| 01:39.41 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 01:39.41 | MrOp | or bacon |
| 01:39.41 | MrOp | w/e |
| 01:39.41 | MrOp | XD |
| 01:39.41 | JademusSreg | PlayerGroupAll() |
| 01:40.21 | JademusSreg | Also PlayerGroupActive() |
| 01:40.52 | JademusSreg | PlayerGroupActive returns all active players, which are Users or Computers, and includes observor slots. |
| 01:41.15 | MrOp | anyone have any ideas |
| 01:41.45 | Bounty | Hooray! |
| 01:41.52 | Bounty | i built my F-Zero engine |
| 01:41.54 | Bounty | >< |
| 01:42.09 | JademusSreg | You'll need to check the type with PlayerType(int inPlayer) to differentiate between Users, Computers, Neutrals and Hostiles, using constants such as c_playerTypeUser. |
| 01:42.58 | JademusSreg | To check if the player is an observor, you can check the player slot's game attribute setting. |
| 01:44.03 | Bounty | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:44.05 | Bounty | is that right? |
| 01:44.08 | Bounty | if i dont want it to go over 25 |
| 01:44.15 | Bounty | bc hes clearing going WAY over 25 LOL |
| 01:44.36 | JademusSreg | Mrop, I don't have a simple solution. You'll need to iterate a loop at the smallest applicable time scale, and set it to beep based on an interval counter. |
| 01:45.14 | MrOp | so basicly i need a programmer to make something like that right? |
| 01:45.20 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
| 01:45.22 | MrOp | (_ _) |
| 01:45.24 | MrOp | o |
| 01:45.26 | JademusSreg | It could be done in GUI. |
| 01:45.31 | Bounty | wtf |
| 01:45.34 | Bounty | why isnt this working |
| 01:45.39 | Bounty | i use Min Value |
| 01:45.41 | MrOp | but how would it know to beep faster the closer the unit get |
| 01:45.46 | Bounty | and its going WAY above 25 |
| 01:45.54 | MrOp | got* |
| 01:46.04 | MrOp | o i think i see |
| 01:46.18 | MrOp | might need alittle help with it... |
| 01:46.20 | MrOp | hmm |
| 01:46.28 | MrOp | nope lost it |
| 01:46.33 | Bounty | anyone know how to add to a value but make it so it doesnt go over a set limit |
| 01:46.36 | Bounty | Min Value isnt working |
| 01:46.45 | furymonkey | anyone know how to give more than 6 slots to an inventory ability without given container ability to each slot (ie.bag)? |
| 01:47.16 | JademusSreg | I haven't messed with inventories yet. |
| 01:47.54 | JManV | i don't think there is |
| 01:48.03 | JManV | there are a lot of limitations to the item system |
| 01:48.17 | Bounty | anyone? |
| 01:48.25 | MrOp | does anyone know when blizard is suppose to release DOTA |
| 01:48.31 | MrOp | next month? |
| 01:48.43 | JademusSreg | How could Min value not work? =\ |
| 01:48.43 | MrOp | its bliz so (_ _) |
| 01:48.51 | Bounty | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:48.52 | JManV | when it's ready (tm) |
| 01:48.52 | Bounty | right? |
| 01:48.58 | Bounty | its not working |
| 01:48.59 | JademusSreg | Hahahahaha |
| 01:49.04 | Bounty | the dude is hitting lightspeed |
| 01:49.27 | JademusSreg | You're making it accelerate perpetually. |
| 01:49.31 | JademusSreg | Hilarious. |
| 01:49.45 | Bounty | what? |
| 01:50.08 | Obatztrara | bountyy check out out the math functions floor and ceiling |
| 01:50.13 | Obatztrara | one of them should do it |
| 01:50.30 | JademusSreg | You're doing this, and it is hilarious for two reasons. |
| 01:50.47 | Bounty | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:50.49 | JademusSreg | Set movement speed = movement speed + min(0.5,5.0) |
| 01:50.50 | Bounty | is that right? |
| 01:50.53 | Obatztrara | MInimum just returns the smaller value...the minim of the two |
| 01:51.04 | Bounty | yeah but ive used it before Obatz |
| 01:51.10 | Bounty | it was Min or Max Value |
| 01:51.11 | Bounty | i forget |
| 01:51.29 | Obatztrara | hm yes on second thought..should work yes |
| 01:52.00 | furymonkey | quick testing shows each unit can only has 1 invetory ability |
| 01:52.05 | JManV | wow |
| 01:52.17 | JManV | i just tried to make a 1x29 footprint |
| 01:52.23 | JManV | word to the wise: don't. |
| 01:52.30 | JademusSreg | What happened? |
| 01:52.40 | JManV | it get super glitchy |
| 01:52.48 | JademusSreg | Elaborate. |
| 01:52.51 | abstruse | BOOM |
| 01:52.56 | JademusSreg | Glitches are interesting. |
| 01:53.04 | JManV | it's hard to explain |
| 01:53.09 | JManV | it's actually reproducable |
| 01:53.22 | abstruse | does it hold coffee? |
| 01:53.26 | JManV | the graphics inside the footprint are glitchy |
| 01:53.32 | JManV | different colors and such |
| 01:53.39 | Bounty | Jade |
| 01:53.43 | JManV | and many of the "squares" are unresponsive |
| 01:53.45 | Bounty | Set movement speed = movement speed + min(0.5,5.0)??? |
| 01:53.47 | JManV | the grid can't be seen |
| 01:53.56 | Bounty | i cant get no = when i use set unit property |
| 01:53.58 | JManV | besides the fact that it's really, really tiny |
| 01:54.10 | JademusSreg | Bounty, I was writing pseudo. |
| 01:54.40 | JademusSreg | speed = speed + min(0.5,5.0) |
| 01:54.51 | JademusSreg | That's basically your expression. |
| 01:55.03 | Bounty | so how do i fix it |
| 01:55.04 | JManV | specifically, the placement check and placement apply layers glitch the most |
| 01:55.06 | JademusSreg | And that is undeniably hilarious. |
| 01:55.07 | Bounty | just get rid of the speed part? |
| 01:55.41 | Bounty | i understand its funny but how do i fix it lol |
| 01:55.48 | JademusSreg | What are you doing in that? Accelerating? |
| 01:55.52 | Bounty | yes |
| 01:56.14 | JManV | it sucks if i can't build a 1x29 wall |
| 01:56.26 | JademusSreg | speed = min(speed + acceleration rate, speed limit) |
| 01:56.58 | JademusSreg | That looks like what you want, more or less. |
| 01:57.24 | Bounty | um |
| 01:57.28 | Bounty | but thats exactly what i had |
| 01:57.37 | Bounty | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:57.37 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 01:57.45 | Bounty | Movement Speed + Accel Rate, 5 |
| 01:57.52 | Bounty | what? stop laughing lol |
| 01:57.56 | JademusSreg | I'n going to laugh to death. |
| 01:58.22 | Obatztrara | the min has to be around everything..like jade posted |
| 01:58.29 | JademusSreg | It's going to be like when The Joker used his crazy laughing gas on Gotham. |
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| 02:01.23 | grim001 | OK, the comparison map is setup |
| 02:01.29 | grim001 | does that map work in multiplayer Jademus? |
| 02:01.33 | JademusSreg | Yup. |
| 02:01.37 | JademusSreg | I've tested it before. |
| 02:01.40 | grim001 | who wants to test it? |
| 02:01.43 | JademusSreg | ME |
| 02:01.51 | Bounty | Hey Obatztrara |
| 02:01.52 | Bounty | thanks :) |
| 02:01.53 | Bounty | it worked |
| 02:02.04 | JademusSreg | appreciates the irony. |
| 02:02.31 | JademusSreg | JademusSreg.950 |
| 02:03.18 | grim001 | OK, I've got it published |
| 02:04.13 | JademusSreg | Invite me to the game when you're ready. |
| 02:04.17 | JManV | yo |
| 02:04.19 | JManV | i want in |
| 02:04.59 | JManV | JManV.733 |
| 02:06.25 | grim001 | never used bnet party system before |
| 02:06.37 | JManV | heh |
| 02:06.44 | JManV | i do every week now |
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| 02:15.04 | JademusSreg | I probably should have asked if you implemented a respawn script before I shot you with psi storms. |
| 02:15.19 | Ashamed | tha max stack is pissing me off |
| 02:15.21 | MrOp | thats what she said |
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| 02:21.45 | grim001 | lol |
| 02:21.54 | grim001 | well we rehosted anyway |
| 02:21.56 | JManV | heh |
| 02:22.10 | JManV | yeah, set unit position is not worth the effort |
| 02:22.13 | JademusSreg | It's understandable. |
| 02:22.22 | grim001 | single player, I thought that the SetUnitPosition version felt about 0.1 seconds faster with the reaction time |
| 02:22.22 | JManV | quite buggy |
| 02:22.28 | grim001 | or maybe 0.05 seconds faster |
| 02:22.35 | JManV | possible |
| 02:22.37 | grim001 | but online, there's no percievable difference |
| 02:22.41 | JManV | but single player doesn't really matter |
| 02:22.44 | grim001 | except the increase in buginess |
| 02:22.51 | JManV | yeah |
| 02:22.55 | JManV | i was off the map |
| 02:22.57 | JademusSreg | My laziness is vindicated! |
| 02:22.59 | JManV | and i got stuck :P |
| 02:23.16 | JManV | i always say: lazy programmers are good programmers |
| 02:23.18 | JademusSreg | Yeah, that happened to me during my own implementation of set position. |
| 02:25.23 | JManV | so anyways, i'm totally gonna use your engine jademus |
| 02:25.31 | JademusSreg | Coo. |
| 02:25.42 | JManV | only reason i dind't use a pre-built one before is cuz i didn't trust em |
| 02:26.07 | JademusSreg | I expect grim made some tweaks to my own, so if he found some areas where I could improve, I'd like the feedback. |
| 02:26.23 | JManV | and i don't want to do the extra work to make mine 8-directional |
| 02:26.34 | grim001 | the only thing I changed was making SetUnitPosition work |
| 02:26.43 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 02:27.11 | grim001 | I mean, maybe it's possible to "improve" it in some way, but it wont make any difference to the user at this point |
| 02:27.13 | Skittles | My pride is gone. I just put in an application to work at mcdownalds. |
| 02:27.58 | JademusSreg | Yeah, I'm working on making it better from my perspective as a developer managing code and fixing bugs. |
| 02:28.37 | JademusSreg | What I would give for something like scope declarations and requirements. |
| 02:29.14 | Skittles | how big is the data table? |
| 02:29.22 | JademusSreg | scope FuckedUp (Fucked,Up) { ... } |
| 02:29.32 | JManV | bigger than the RAM resistriction |
| 02:29.34 | Skittles | actually nvm. wouldn't owrk. |
| 02:29.41 | Skittles | Jmanv |
| 02:29.45 | Skittles | Wana play death haven? |
| 02:29.47 | JademusSreg | Data table doesn't have an explicit limit to my knowledge. |
| 02:30.05 | Skittles | doesn't matter, you cant save files to it. Xd |
| 02:30.42 | grim001 | now that I can code in notepad++ directly, I'm happy enough |
| 02:31.03 | grim001 | I wonder if I could rig up a really simple preprocessor that just alters the text file when it's saved though |
| 02:31.13 | JademusSreg | That would be lovely. |
| 02:31.20 | grim001 | possibly using AutoIt |
| 02:31.23 | grim001 | ever used AutoIt? |
| 02:31.31 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
| 02:31.39 | grim001 | lets you automate just about anything in windows |
| 02:31.47 | JademusSreg | Intriguing. |
| 02:31.50 | JManV | any chance you want to tutorial out your setup? |
| 02:31.52 | grim001 | so I could catch when the file is modified and make certain changes to it automatically |
| 02:31.54 | JademusSreg | I'll look into that. |
| 02:32.02 | JademusSreg | Jman, you mean me? |
| 02:32.17 | grim001 | it has its own simple C-like scripting language |
| 02:32.25 | grim001 | kinda like JASS actually |
| 02:32.29 | grim001 | very verbose |
| 02:32.29 | JManV | i've been curious for a while what the easiest setup for galaxy scriptingis |
| 02:32.54 | grim001 | JMan, I'll tell you about the setup later, I must eat |
| 02:32.58 | JademusSreg | Ah, save as SC2Components, unfolds it like a directory, tada. |
| 02:33.11 | JManV | i'm not ready to deal with it just now anyways |
| 02:33.15 | JademusSreg | That's the short version. |
| 02:33.49 | grim001 | Jademus: watch out for having the file directory open, somehow that's enough for the files to be in use, and it makes the map unable to save |
| 02:34.04 | JademusSreg | I'll keep that in mind. |
| 02:34.17 | JademusSreg | I often have that trouble working with the mpqs. |
| 02:34.59 | JademusSreg | I'm considering making my key capturing general enough to cover all keys. Hm. |
| 02:35.22 | JademusSreg | I did it for mouse. |
| 02:36.47 | JademusSreg | And since I get the impression users might want to implement responses for different keys, and shouldn't need to increase the stress on the network with additional triggers, it would be best to write a general input capturing script. |
| 02:38.11 | JademusSreg | Yup. I'm going to write an input capture script first. |
| 02:43.30 | MrOp | does anyone know what i should do when the editor keeps crashing i am saving often |
| 02:43.37 | MrOp | i am just painting pathing |
| 02:43.39 | MrOp | :/ |
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| 02:48.02 | MrOp | ANYONE KNOW |
| 02:48.04 | MrOp | @~@ |
| 02:48.21 | furymonkey | Why is my custom made item class does not show up in the item class list when i create an item |
| 02:49.30 | JademusSreg | Dunno, and dunno. I haven't had that problem. |
| 02:53.06 | furymonkey | I see! problem solved, the create window is bugged |
| 02:53.32 | furymonkey | i just have to randomly choose one, then change the field after it's already created |
| 02:58.58 | Bounty | alright so i attached an actor to a unit via the Local Offset actor, but i want it to face the opposite direction that it is facing |
| 02:59.20 | Bounty | and i made another explicit rotation actor but how do i get 2 attachment actors working for the same attachment? |
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| 03:00.39 | MrOp | hi motive |
| 03:02.08 | JademusSreg | Pretty cool find Motive. |
| 03:02.25 | Bounty | Hey Jade, do you know how i can do that? |
| 03:02.41 | JademusSreg | Saving as SC2Components to work on galaxy files. Cool. <3 |
| 03:02.56 | JademusSreg | Bounty, it is outside my field of knowledge at this time. |
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| 03:09.58 | Motive | ;D |
| 03:11.45 | Bounty | Does anyone know how to rotate an attached actor |
| 03:13.21 | Bounty | alright so im going to assume this is impossible then? every single thread that speaks of this is of no answers and only people asking how lol |
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| 03:15.07 | Bounty | fuck it |
| 03:17.20 | JademusSreg | Wakka wakka |
| 03:19.10 | JademusSreg | Anyone want to check the memory footprint for 1584 bool values? |
| 03:19.30 | MrOp | OH OH ME!!! |
| 03:19.45 | MrOp | just change it to a 5 |
| 03:19.48 | JManV | can't be more than 1584 bytes, i'd think |
| 03:19.48 | MrOp | XD |
| 03:19.55 | Motive | I bet 1584 bytes! |
| 03:20.06 | JManV | that's my guess too |
| 03:20.09 | Motive | or at worst |
| 03:20.11 | Motive | 1584*4 bytes! |
| 03:20.11 | MrOp | idk what your saying nad its hurting my head XD |
| 03:20.18 | JademusSreg | If someone could check for me, I'd ap[preciate it, |
| 03:20.32 | JManV | i'm not sure how it matters |
| 03:20.33 | MrOp | i wish i could |
| 03:20.38 | MrOp | but i am not that pwnage yet |
| 03:21.08 | JademusSreg | I don't have much time before I must go afk, so I'm rushing to finish this script. |
| 03:25.59 | JademusSreg | I want to know about how much overhead I'm paying on memory. |
| 03:26.19 | JademusSreg | For the bulkiest part of the script. |
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| 03:52.35 | Bounty | Sixen |
| 03:52.45 | Bounty | Please tell me you know a good deal about actors |
| 03:54.20 | Sixen | I do. Brad Pitt is cool... Nicholas Cage isn't bad.. |
| 03:54.51 | Bounty | Please tell me you know how to rotate an attached actor. I want the actor i attached to face the opposite of the unit its attached to |
| 03:55.45 | Bounty | I searched all over the forums and found nothing but threads full of people asking the same question with no answers |
| 03:58.22 | Bounty | and the search continues apparently |
| 04:07.40 | grim001 | ... |
| 04:10.35 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 04:10.58 | JademusSreg | calculates. |
| 04:11.34 | JademusSreg | Lvl Prime Number Petrify |
| 04:17.16 | JademusSreg | So my script could be using at least 6 kb of memory for variables. Haha |
| 04:18.19 | JademusSreg | 6.1875 kb used for 16 99-index bool arrays if their bool takes 32 bits of memory. |
| 04:19.30 | JademusSreg | http://pastebin.com/LD4h1c63 |
| 04:21.00 | JademusSreg | If bool is 32-bit, it's not hard to imagine a more memory-efficient implementation could be written. |
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| 04:22.01 | JademusSreg | Using ints, you could have each key value represented by a bitflag value, and divide up the load across several ints. |
| 04:23.41 | JademusSreg | Converses memory, but at the cost of performing the ops to unravel that shit. |
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| 04:23.46 | JademusSreg | *Conserves |
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| 04:25.12 | Bounty | So once again |
| 04:25.30 | Bounty | How do i get an actor to rotate with the unit ocne ive used Explicit rotation |
| 04:25.46 | Bounty | would be nice if i could get atlleast one thing done today |
| 04:25.56 | JademusSreg | It is beyond my knowledge. |
| 04:26.16 | MrOp | jade you know everything stop lieing |
| 04:26.17 | MrOp | XD |
| 04:26.22 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 04:26.29 | JademusSreg | If only that were true. |
| 04:26.39 | MrOp | if your intelect was any larger you would be a super hero |
| 04:26.47 | MrOp | or a villan (_ _) |
| 04:27.07 | Bounty | I know Jade knows |
| 04:27.17 | Bounty | there is no way |
| 04:27.22 | MrOp | he does he is holding out on you |
| 04:27.28 | MrOp | me2 |
| 04:27.48 | Bounty | oh well then lol doesnt effect me if i dont get anything done |
| 04:27.57 | Bounty | just means nothing gets released |
| 04:28.12 | MrOp | but to give him some credit his knowledge is so vast and deep |
| 04:28.21 | Bounty | i know lol |
| 04:28.24 | MrOp | he has a hard to getting it |
| 04:28.29 | MrOp | time* |
| 04:28.41 | MrOp | i have the same problem |
| 04:28.48 | MrOp | only i forget it |
| 04:29.04 | Bounty | well this is the only thing i need to do before i can release a map |
| 04:29.24 | Bounty | and its pissing me off ive spent 4-5 hours on this because APPARENTLY nobody knows how to do this lol |
| 04:29.25 | MrOp | well i was stuck like that early today |
| 04:29.37 | MrOp | i cant do much tell helral gets here |
| 04:29.42 | MrOp | so i am just go over everything again |
| 04:29.50 | MrOp | and doing little stuff |
| 04:29.59 | MrOp | probably spelled his name wrong |
| 04:30.11 | MrOp | OH THE BREAD I MADE WAS SO GOOD |
| 04:30.26 | MrOp | its hard not to eat the whole loaf in one sitting |
| 04:30.38 | MrOp | i was going to say dynast |
| 04:30.48 | MrOp | that is to much of a name change |
| 04:30.50 | MrOp | (_ _) |
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| 04:32.41 | MrOp | HAVE NO FEAR COMPUTERPUNK IT HERE |
| 04:32.54 | MrOp | Heroic pose -----> |
| 04:33.19 | Bounty | alright well fuck this if nobody knows (or isnt going to tell me) |
| 04:33.31 | Computerpunk | MrOp, no. |
| 04:33.31 | Bounty | i'd rather play Dragon age 2 (i actually wouldnt lol) |
| 04:33.39 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 04:33.42 | Computerpunk | basically, no. |
| 04:34.04 | MrOp | sigh |
| 04:34.11 | nolliepoper | ragequit? |
| 04:34.14 | MrOp | I BLAME YOU SIRE |
| 04:34.19 | JademusSreg | Hilarious. |
| 04:34.19 | MrOp | SIR* |
| 04:34.24 | nolliepoper | tis thee a swine? |
| 04:34.33 | MrOp | I LIKE PONIES |
| 04:34.39 | nolliepoper | I LIKE TURTLES |
| 04:34.54 | MrOp | <--- says random things to get attention ( and to break up the silence) |
| 04:34.59 | JademusSreg | I wonder how the wiki creole paste tag is supposed to work. |
| 04:35.09 | MrOp | with ducktape |
| 04:35.12 | MrOp | duh |
| 04:35.19 | MrOp | XD |
| 04:35.22 | nolliepoper | jade you were braging about wasd eariler? |
| 04:35.30 | JademusSreg | Bragging? |
| 04:35.36 | nolliepoper | naa well just wondering? |
| 04:35.36 | MrOp | no that was bounty i think |
| 04:35.39 | MrOp | jade doesnt brag |
| 04:35.45 | nolliepoper | calm down it's just a brag |
| 04:35.49 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 04:36.13 | MrOp | he is far to smart to show off his massive brian |
| 04:36.19 | Computerpunk | I brag about weed. |
| 04:36.21 | JademusSreg | To my knowledge, I have the most efficient implementation of wasd controls, that's all. |
| 04:36.21 | Computerpunk | tyverymuch |
| 04:36.31 | nolliepoper | yeah right |
| 04:36.35 | Computerpunk | Man. |
| 04:36.40 | JademusSreg | I'm certain someone more skilled than I could write a better one, but just hasn't. |
| 04:36.43 | MrOp | thats what she said |
| 04:36.46 | nolliepoper | I hear people say that and they try to disguise their crap |
| 04:36.54 | Computerpunk | fiskers MrOp. |
| 04:36.55 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 04:36.55 | MrOp | thats what she said |
| 04:37.14 | MrOp | idk what a fiskers is sir |
| 04:37.16 | MrOp | :p |
| 04:37.17 | nolliepoper | where can I dl it? |
| 04:37.30 | nolliepoper | to compair and contrast |
| 04:37.38 | JademusSreg | Currently, I'm working on splitting it up, move from prototype to a cleaner, more generalized core. |
| 04:37.48 | MrOp | HOW DARE YOU SPEAK TO THE JADE IN THE TEXTUAL TONE OF VOICE |
| 04:38.13 | JademusSreg | One moment. I'm in the middle of making a new thread. I wrote a nice input script. |
| 04:38.26 | nolliepoper | o isn't your in pure galaxy? |
| 04:38.31 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 04:38.56 | MrOp | so how is us none nerds going to understand it |
| 04:39.06 | MrOp | well i am a nerd in hidding |
| 04:39.20 | nolliepoper | doesn't mean it's elegant |
| 04:39.34 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 04:39.51 | nolliepoper | ok how do you go about the looping process of holding down a key |
| 04:40.13 | nolliepoper | I frown apon the game time loops |
| 04:40.15 | JademusSreg | Magic, duh. That's what wizards do for all looping processes. |
| 04:40.26 | nolliepoper | I use a while loop |
| 04:40.32 | JademusSreg | Wow, seriously?! |
| 04:40.41 | JademusSreg | A May Zing |
| 04:41.08 | JademusSreg | I bet next you'll say it's while (true), too! |
| 04:41.26 | nolliepoper | no |
| 04:41.36 | nolliepoper | that would defeat the purpose |
| 04:41.48 | nolliepoper | so you can make wasd without loops yes or no? |
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| 04:42.03 | JademusSreg | You could, were you so inclined. |
| 04:42.08 | MrOp | jade can you make it something we all can use |
| 04:42.13 | MrOp | or is it pretty easy to put in |
| 04:42.29 | nolliepoper | I doubt it |
| 04:42.29 | JademusSreg | I could. Or I could have someone else do it, if someone else was interested, like Shawn or Jman. |
| 04:42.42 | JademusSreg | It would be almost as good. |
| 04:43.00 | MrOp | that is one thing i really need for my map |
| 04:43.02 | JademusSreg | Hardly any difference in practice, I expect. |
| 04:43.04 | MrOp | actually |
| 04:43.14 | MrOp | what about mouse firing |
| 04:43.18 | MrOp | is that a problem |
| 04:43.23 | MrOp | or just aswd |
| 04:43.29 | MrOp | wasd* |
| 04:43.44 | nolliepoper | you lie to me jade? |
| 04:44.00 | JademusSreg | llie, if you'd like to see my old script, I'll show it to you in a bit. |
| 04:44.31 | nolliepoper | you can't make wasd without a loop, the trick is to make the loop elegant. |
| 04:44.47 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 04:45.02 | MrOp | you probably should look at it b4 you stick your foot in your mouth |
| 04:45.10 | MrOp | just a random FYI |
| 04:45.26 | nolliepoper | where it is running the actions inside as few as posible and only running the loop only when nessesary |
| 04:45.44 | JademusSreg | I'm just writing a bit of documentation for my new input script before I post it. |
| 04:45.45 | MrOp | why not just do a test map with 5-12 players on bnet jade |
| 04:45.50 | MrOp | or is it not done yet |
| 04:45.52 | JademusSreg | Then I'll show you what I wrote before. |
| 04:46.01 | nolliepoper | I already published my wasd |
| 04:46.12 | nolliepoper | the trick is do your cameras rotate |
| 04:46.25 | nolliepoper | whole other ballgame |
| 04:46.40 | JademusSreg | llie, you're just to cool for us. Keep an eye on this guy, he's a go getter. |
| 04:46.49 | MrOp | i know |
| 04:46.55 | MrOp | i wish i was as smart as you 2 |
| 04:47.09 | MrOp | i am serious |
| 04:47.10 | MrOp | XD |
| 04:48.01 | MrOp | nollie is the problem with that movement is when you have more then one player right? |
| 04:48.13 | nolliepoper | multithreaded action |
| 04:48.13 | MrOp | idk a whole lot about it |
| 04:48.24 | MrOp | all i know is i need it in my map |
| 04:48.27 | nolliepoper | and multideminsional arrays |
| 04:48.37 | MrOp | that hurts my brain |
| 04:48.40 | nolliepoper | which type of wasd are you looking for? |
| 04:49.01 | MrOp | uh |
| 04:49.10 | MrOp | wasd move and mouse 1 and 2 fire |
| 04:49.13 | MrOp | ideally |
| 04:49.29 | MrOp | i dont think i need camera movement |
| 04:49.33 | nolliepoper | so including camera rotation? |
| 04:49.34 | MrOp | i set that up already |
| 04:49.36 | MrOp | nop |
| 04:49.50 | MrOp | i have set cameras |
| 04:51.18 | nolliepoper | mouse 1 and 2 fire is completely different from wasd |
| 04:51.25 | MrOp | o |
| 04:56.03 | JademusSreg | Old WASD Prototype: http://pastebin.com/LJsHhvRx Input: http://pastebin.com/ECkkwRPd |
| 04:56.43 | JademusSreg | I created the new Input script tonight. Besides the potential 6kb memory overhead, I am thoroughly pleased with it. |
| 04:56.50 | nolliepoper | too many loops and conditions |
| 04:57.21 | JademusSreg | Needz moar declarations by fiat |
| 04:57.45 | MrOp | hay i just want a system the works well |
| 04:58.19 | MrOp | jade can i use it when it is ready |
| 04:58.23 | nolliepoper | too much code for some simple wasd |
| 04:58.58 | JademusSreg | too much [x], amirite? I should fix that! |
| 04:59.09 | nolliepoper | while(true) lol |
| 04:59.36 | MrOp | well if it works who cares |
| 04:59.43 | MrOp | and works well XD |
| 05:00.00 | MrOp | but i guess if you can do the smae thing in 2 lines AWESOME |
| 05:00.05 | MrOp | of have no point of ref. |
| 05:00.13 | MrOp | and all a bunch of numbers to me |
| 05:00.30 | nolliepoper | I care about efficiency |
| 05:00.34 | JademusSreg | Had you any genuine criticisms to articulate, llie, I expect you would have. Instead you seem inclined to smash the idols, so to speak. |
| 05:01.11 | nolliepoper | just because you hard coded it makes it geneus? |
| 05:01.18 | nolliepoper | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:01.27 | JademusSreg | Wakka wakka |
| 05:01.42 | JademusSreg | http://i.imgur.com/jzRLu.jpg |
| 05:03.07 | MrOp | i wish i could share my bread that i made |
| 05:03.10 | MrOp | :( |
| 05:03.13 | nolliepoper | so have you published it so we can test it on battlenet? |
| 05:03.28 | nolliepoper | test the lag factor |
| 05:03.44 | JademusSreg | I have. |
| 05:04.05 | nolliepoper | how many players |
| 05:04.17 | MrOp | how do you think it compared to whats out there jade |
| 05:04.17 | JademusSreg | 4 |
| 05:04.28 | nolliepoper | can I test it then because I got tired of looking at that code. |
| 05:04.33 | JademusSreg | I expect it is probably the best. |
| 05:04.40 | MrOp | :) |
| 05:04.44 | nolliepoper | you check if status in the middle of the code |
| 05:04.50 | nolliepoper | that shouldn't have to do with wasd |
| 05:04.58 | nolliepoper | status of player is playing |
| 05:05.11 | nolliepoper | are you going to invite me? |
| 05:05.21 | JademusSreg | llie, I would, if I took you seriously. |
| 05:05.30 | MrOp | i would like to try it jade |
| 05:05.37 | JademusSreg | Alright. |
| 05:05.48 | MrOp | we probably need more people |
| 05:05.56 | MrOp | XD |
| 05:05.59 | nolliepoper | us 3 will be ok |
| 05:06.04 | JademusSreg | Invite your friends. |
| 05:06.05 | nolliepoper | maybe 1 or 2 extra |
| 05:06.08 | MrOp | my map is 12 players |
| 05:06.13 | MrOp | max |
| 05:06.15 | MrOp | ideally 4 |
| 05:06.25 | nolliepoper | I made mine 15 but can't get 15 to test it |
| 05:06.29 | JManV | nice |
| 05:06.31 | nolliepoper | go ahead and invite |
| 05:06.41 | JManV | on bnet 1 player, i generated a 300k bank file |
| 05:06.44 | JademusSreg | How many people can you round up, not including llie here, since he doesn't count. |
| 05:06.45 | nolliepoper | nolliepoper:830 |
| 05:06.48 | JManV | then loaded is successfully |
| 05:06.54 | MrOp | jamn want to join us |
| 05:07.02 | JManV | for? |
| 05:07.03 | MrOp | testing jade pwnage wasd system |
| 05:07.12 | JManV | sure |
| 05:07.18 | JademusSreg | No psi storm on this one, Jman. |
| 05:07.27 | MrOp | or so thats what we are being told lol |
| 05:07.28 | MrOp | XD |
| 05:07.59 | JademusSreg | Mrop, your handle and identifier? |
| 05:08.16 | furymonkey | when creating a new unit actor, which do you guys normally based off? |
| 05:09.00 | furymonkey | When I use generic unit, when i change UI - Highlight tooltip, it made change for all others |
| 05:09.04 | nolliepoper | jade how much longer? |
| 05:12.36 | JManV | fix the maus! |
| 05:12.40 | JademusSreg | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/GateDemo.SC2Map |
| 05:12.54 | JademusSreg | I also implement it in there, if you want to mess with it, llie. |
| 05:13.12 | JManV | i'm super happy that a 300k bank file is no problem for 1 player bnet |
| 05:13.16 | nolliepoper | are you going to host a game? |
| 05:13.28 | JManV | 300k is like 20 super huge buildings saved |
| 05:13.41 | JademusSreg | Nope. I was sincere in that I do not take you seriously enough to entertain. |
| 05:14.19 | nolliepoper | ah, your a waste of time. |
| 05:14.27 | JademusSreg | Wakka wakka |
| 05:21.13 | MrOp | wow jade that was so good |
| 05:21.15 | MrOp | lol |
| 05:21.18 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 05:21.35 | MrOp | i think that is the best one i have used to date |
| 05:21.39 | MrOp | txhs |
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| 05:22.27 | JademusSreg | No problem. The new build I'm working on should lend itself more readily to GUI wrappers for you folks that do that stuff. |
| 05:22.27 | MrOp | hello cintiq |
| 05:22.36 | MrOp | YEA!!! |
| 05:22.53 | MrOp | maybe onetwo can do something or helral |
| 05:23.03 | MrOp | they seem to know how to talk to you nerds and us |
| 05:23.14 | MrOp | i was talking to motive yesterday lol |
| 05:23.22 | MrOp | and after a while i needed a translator |
| 05:23.24 | MrOp | XD |
| 05:23.43 | MrOp | i can tell he is pretty smart |
| 05:23.56 | MrOp | but i guess the GUI is all wierd for you guys so :/ |
| 05:24.14 | JademusSreg | Motive is a good dude; he intends to write Goop, while Vestras and s3rius are working on Grape. |
| 05:24.14 | MrOp | in some ways i can see why you dont want to deal with it |
| 05:24.27 | MrOp | i have no idea what you just said |
| 05:24.29 | MrOp | lol |
| 05:24.33 | JademusSreg | I think I'd enjoy Grape more, though. |
| 05:24.41 | JademusSreg | These are language extensions for galaxy. |
| 05:24.44 | MrOp | o |
| 05:25.03 | MrOp | he made be right "null" and my guo crashed |
| 05:25.06 | MrOp | gui |
| 05:25.06 | MrOp | XD |
| 05:25.09 | MrOp | write |
| 05:25.10 | MrOp | @#$#@4 |
| 05:25.37 | JademusSreg | Goop wants to preserve galaxy syntax and preprocess scripts to handle the tedious work of managing associated arrays and memory allocation. |
| 05:25.50 | MrOp | uh ok |
| 05:26.06 | MrOp | all i got the that was make memory better |
| 05:26.08 | MrOp | yea |
| 05:26.39 | JademusSreg | Grape wants to say fuck it, lets be more like LUA, Python, and shit and do everything better, look cleaner, and it falls between Goop and Andromeda in terms of ambition. |
| 05:27.04 | MrOp | i think you guys programmers like to talk all crazy to us nuubs |
| 05:27.31 | JademusSreg | I think it's more like Spanish people talking Spanglish. |
| 05:27.39 | MrOp | :/ |
| 05:27.49 | MrOp | well i found a record |
| 05:27.53 | MrOp | idk what is does yet |
| 05:28.01 | MrOp | helral didnt finsh |
| 05:28.08 | MrOp | but it seems like another action def |
| 05:28.17 | JademusSreg | Records in GUI are called structs in galaxy. |
| 05:28.18 | MrOp | is that true in nuubie lang |
| 05:28.40 | JademusSreg | Records are a kind of variable type, think of it that way. |
| 05:28.55 | JademusSreg | It allows you to create new variable types that store other variables. |
| 05:29.01 | MrOp | althought towards the end he had me put a record in a A.D. |
| 05:29.05 | MrOp | and then i had to go |
| 05:29.07 | MrOp | :( |
| 05:29.14 | JademusSreg | AD? |
| 05:29.18 | MrOp | action def |
| 05:29.51 | JademusSreg | That doesn't sound useful, but maybe it is. I dunno. |
| 05:29.59 | MrOp | idk |
| 05:30.06 | MrOp | we arent finshed |
| 05:30.10 | JademusSreg | I use structs here: http://pastebin.com/ECkkwRPd |
| 05:30.14 | grim001 | I'm on the verge of creating the ultimate development environment, but now I'm banging my head against the wall because the editor just won't recognize one particular script file |
| 05:30.19 | JademusSreg | You know them as records. |
| 05:30.37 | JademusSreg | grim, hwaht? |
| 05:31.08 | JademusSreg | mrop, see where it says Button { bool[6] state; }; ? |
| 05:31.21 | MrOp | y |
| 05:31.34 | MrOp | struct Button { bool[6] state; };? |
| 05:31.40 | JademusSreg | That declares a struct type called Button, which contains a bool array size 6. |
| 05:31.48 | MrOp | k |
| 05:31.50 | grim001 | it's my UnitData script, and there's absolutely nothing about the script itself that's causing it |
| 05:32.14 | JademusSreg | Which would be like you creating a Record, adding a Variable, making it a Boolean array with the size set to 6. |
| 05:32.24 | grim001 | but the editor is just determined to delete it from my map's script directory, and if I change the name of it, it just fails to read the entire script |
| 05:32.51 | MrOp | i sort of get it |
| 05:32.53 | JademusSreg | The, if you make a Button variable / a variable for your record, that variable will have the properties of Button, in that it will contain an array of size 6. |
| 05:33.25 | MrOp | i but he hasnt quite explained enough of what i am doing. for me to even know what i am doing |
| 05:33.27 | JademusSreg | grim, could there be a dependency conflict? |
| 05:33.50 | JademusSreg | mrop, playerInput variable, see it? |
| 05:33.56 | JademusSreg | Input[16] playerInput; |
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| 05:34.20 | MrOp | y |
| 05:34.49 | JademusSreg | That is a sized 16 array of type Input, which contains a Key, a Button, and a Mouse struct. Which each contain their own values. |
| 05:35.37 | MrOp | so is this for the mouse look thing |
| 05:35.51 | JademusSreg | If you wanted to know if the X key was being used, it would look like playerInput[p].key.state[c_keyX] in both galaxy, and GUI. |
| 05:36.12 | MrOp | o ic |
| 05:36.18 | MrOp | wait |
| 05:36.20 | MrOp | i am lost |
| 05:36.21 | MrOp | lol |
| 05:36.24 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 05:36.26 | MrOp | XD |
| 05:36.40 | JademusSreg | Alright. Got the trigger module open? |
| 05:36.44 | nolliepoper | Jade can you change mouse icons separate for each player within a game with trigglers? |
| 05:37.04 | MrOp | idk even know what you said let alone trying to open it |
| 05:37.28 | JademusSreg | llie, perhaps. I've never attempted to do so. I can think of ways to fake it depending on circumstances. I'll check. |
| 05:37.31 | nolliepoper | change the mouse back and forth with triggers. |
| 05:37.33 | MrOp | i feel like i am at a startrek convention |
| 05:37.48 | JademusSreg | mrop, you know the trigger editor? |
| 05:37.54 | MrOp | k |
| 05:38.15 | nolliepoper | How did you make up "llie" |
| 05:38.20 | nolliepoper | when I said you lie to me |
| 05:38.31 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 05:39.05 | JademusSreg | If the cursor is in the center of the screen, you can fake it by displaying an image for the player / playergroup. |
| 05:39.25 | MrOp | are you talking to me jade |
| 05:39.28 | MrOp | i am confused |
| 05:39.30 | MrOp | (_ _) |
| 05:39.38 | MrOp | yea i am in the trigger editor |
| 05:39.48 | nolliepoper | but then I have to move the image around the screen to follow the mouse |
| 05:39.51 | JademusSreg | mrop, create a new record. |
| 05:39.56 | MrOp | k |
| 05:40.08 | nolliepoper | that sounds homo |
| 05:40.21 | MrOp | uh |
| 05:40.27 | MrOp | nollie what is your deal |
| 05:40.28 | JademusSreg | I can see how that would be problematic in a non fps or 3ps. |
| 05:40.40 | MrOp | your being wierd |
| 05:40.42 | nolliepoper | jade doesn't answer questions |
| 05:40.52 | MrOp | well you trash something that he works hard on |
| 05:41.02 | MrOp | i mean granted some time he is a dick |
| 05:41.03 | nolliepoper | no he calls me llie |
| 05:41.07 | MrOp | but you didnt even look at it |
| 05:41.08 | JademusSreg | In that case, you could probably use the same method used by abilities for changing the cursor via actor. |
| 05:41.18 | MrOp | just sort of wierd |
| 05:41.21 | MrOp | tahts all |
| 05:41.34 | MrOp | then get mad when he doesnt respond |
| 05:41.54 | MrOp | i wouldnt but i am getting anoyed having to read wierd comments that dont seem warrented atm |
| 05:41.58 | MrOp | :/ |
| 05:42.17 | JademusSreg | mrop, after you create the new record, add some variables to it. |
| 05:42.20 | MrOp | k |
| 05:42.21 | nolliepoper | I asked for help and all he said was I'm not worthy or some bs |
| 05:42.32 | JademusSreg | Set their types to be different, make one an array. |
| 05:42.50 | MrOp | like what kind of variables |
| 05:42.53 | MrOp | what am i makeing |
| 05:42.54 | MrOp | oO |
| 05:43.30 | nolliepoper | when data changes the mouse cursor to a target it won't let you travel around without it being cancled. |
| 05:44.08 | MrOp | sent you an IM jade |
| 05:44.11 | JademusSreg | I said I do not take you seriously enough to entertain you, in the sense that I have nothing to prove to you with regards to the efficacy of my script when you had previously failed to demonstrate the requisite experience in your shallow, opinion informed criticisms, and had thusly declined to invite you to my test. |
| 05:44.13 | MrOp | i cant track you in here atm |
| 05:44.19 | JademusSreg | I'll still help you with stuff though. |
| 05:45.24 | grim001 | so I tried completely changing the name and directory of the file |
| 05:45.37 | JademusSreg | Because, whatever your motives behind attacking the work of complete stranger, having had no previous experience with said person or the body of work, you still are in need of help, and if I know something that can help, I will. |
| 05:46.09 | grim001 | the issue is that the syntax checker on the Script Test screen and the syntax checker on the Triggers screen disagree |
| 05:46.17 | nolliepoper | asking questions is attacking orly |
| 05:46.26 | nolliepoper | I asked what type of loops you use |
| 05:46.29 | nolliepoper | and you laughed |
| 05:46.34 | nolliepoper | and said I am better than you |
| 05:46.35 | JademusSreg | That's weird grim. |
| 05:46.46 | grim001 | when I import via the triggers screen, it sees the file and it works perfectly fine |
| 05:47.06 | grim001 | however, the Script Test screen just plays a strange noise when I attempt to compile |
| 05:47.24 | grim001 | it had worked fine previously |
| 05:47.33 | nolliepoper | When a camera follows a moving unit the mouse is moved in world without it moving on screen. |
| 05:47.50 | JademusSreg | Excerpted: |
| 05:47.53 | JademusSreg | [23:35:32] <nolliepoper> jade you were braging about wasd eariler? |
| 05:47.53 | JademusSreg | [23:36:30] <JademusSreg> To my knowledge, I have the most efficient implementation of wasd controls, that's all. |
| 05:47.53 | JademusSreg | [23:36:41] <nolliepoper> yeah right |
| 05:47.53 | JademusSreg | [23:36:49] <JademusSreg> I'm certain someone more skilled than I could write a better one, but just hasn't. |
| 05:47.53 | JademusSreg | [23:36:56] <nolliepoper> I hear people say that and they try to disguise their crap |
| 05:47.55 | nolliepoper | can to make an action to track it at all times instead. |
| 05:48.10 | JademusSreg | You began with hostility, of that there can be no question. |
| 05:48.54 | JademusSreg | grim, script test has two noises. |
| 05:49.12 | JademusSreg | Error noise and success noise, which sounds like rescuing a unit in SC1. |
| 05:49.26 | JademusSreg | If there are other noises, I would be surprised and alarmed. =) |
| 05:50.00 | nolliepoper | [23:39] <JademusSreg> Hah. [23:39] <nolliepoper> ok how do you go about the looping process of holding down a key [23:40] <JademusSreg> Magic, duh. That's what wizards do for all looping processes. [23:40] <nolliepoper> I use a while loop [23:40] <JademusSreg> Wow, seriously?! [23:40] <JademusSreg> A May Zing [23:41] <JademusSreg> I bet next you'll say it's while (true), too! [23:41] <nolliepoper> no |
| 05:50.20 | JademusSreg | Wakka wakka |
| 05:50.38 | JademusSreg | That was once you made your hostility apparent. =D |
| 05:50.48 | nolliepoper | did you read what I said? |
| 05:51.20 | JademusSreg | Did you read the part where I told you I'm a wizard? |
| 05:51.27 | JademusSreg | does some magic stuff. |
| 05:51.40 | nolliepoper | did you read your jokes when I was being serious? |
| 05:52.25 | nolliepoper | http://i55.tinypic.com/wbv0q8.jpg |
| 05:52.28 | JademusSreg | Yes. I had to read my jokes. |
| 05:54.06 | nolliepoper | When a camera follows a moving unit the mouse is moved in world without it moving on screen. I need to track it with a action at all times. |
| 05:55.10 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 05:56.22 | JademusSreg | So long as you're not using relative mouse and camera cursor rotation, you should be able to get the mouse x y z values with a trigger. |
| 05:56.56 | JademusSreg | If you are using relative mouse and camera cursor rotation, that makes things significantly more complicated. |
| 05:57.11 | nolliepoper | those actions coming from mouse moved event only return old data |
| 05:57.29 | nolliepoper | that is not updated when the camera follows a moving unit without moving the mouse |
| 05:58.50 | JademusSreg | Ah. Well, if the mouse isn't moving, and if you can make certain assumptions about the mouse's position relative to the camera target, you can use the camera target and an offset to get the value you want. |
| 06:03.39 | JademusSreg | Anyway, time for me to sleep. |
| 06:06.21 | Skittles | does the leviathan have seperate tentacles that can attack? |
| 06:06.43 | grim001 | every single time I attempt to launch my map, the whole UnitData folder gets deleted. |
| 06:07.03 | grim001 | quite annoying trying to pin down what kind of crazy bug is causing it |
| 06:07.44 | MrOp | no i dont think so jade |
| 06:08.01 | MrOp | ops skitttles |
| 06:08.04 | MrOp | i mean |
| 06:08.15 | MrOp | i been though alot of units and doodads lately |
| 06:08.31 | MrOp | and i didnt see anything that could look like it could attack you |
| 06:08.44 | MrOp | unless you found something i didnt |
| 06:08.51 | MrOp | which is likly |
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| 06:17.02 | MrOp | hi |
| 06:18.32 | P_R_Deltoid | Does anyone remember that dungeon keeper game |
| 06:18.44 | MrOp | i heard about it |
| 06:18.45 | P_R_Deltoid | and/or have a link to the page |
| 06:18.53 | MrOp | uh |
| 06:18.58 | MrOp | you mean the sc2 version |
| 06:19.02 | P_R_Deltoid | Yes. |
| 06:19.05 | MrOp | i think its still in dev |
| 06:19.12 | P_R_Deltoid | Right. But it has a thread. |
| 06:19.14 | MrOp | but goto the main page |
| 06:19.23 | MrOp | and just thumb though it |
| 06:19.31 | MrOp | i saw it last time i was doing that |
| 06:19.31 | P_R_Deltoid | It hasn't been opn the main page for months |
| 06:19.38 | MrOp | i know |
| 06:19.41 | MrOp | you have to go way back |
| 06:19.55 | MrOp | uh till you what |
| 06:20.05 | MrOp | you start at page 1 i will start at page 10 |
| 06:20.14 | MrOp | once you get to 10 you can take over |
| 06:20.15 | MrOp | XD |
| 06:20.36 | P_R_Deltoid | Eh |
| 06:20.37 | P_R_Deltoid | no thanks |
| 06:20.51 | MrOp | well i am goign to do all the work for you XD |
| 06:21.03 | P_R_Deltoid | Found it. |
| 06:21.07 | MrOp | nice |
| 06:21.08 | P_R_Deltoid | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/project-workplace/15581-hive-keeper-dungeon-keeper-mod/?page=8#p150 |
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| 06:32.21 | Skittles | hmm |
| 06:32.27 | Skittles | Red riding hood looks pretty neat. |
| 06:35.35 | MrOp | :) |
| 06:35.55 | MrOp | skit i have another question for you |
| 06:36.00 | MrOp | sort of a tough one |
| 06:36.02 | MrOp | i think |
| 06:36.02 | MrOp | XD |
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| 06:36.31 | Deathtorn | Hello! |
| 06:37.00 | MrOp | hello fellow travel welcome to are tavern |
| 06:40.17 | Deathtorn | You should tell shawn to get on. |
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| 06:46.52 | grim001 | this is ridiculously difficult to setup properly |
| 06:50.04 | MrOp | yea i wonder where shawn is |
| 06:50.16 | MrOp | i think he is hidding from me :_( |
| 06:50.19 | MrOp | lol |
| 06:50.20 | MrOp | j/ |
| 06:50.22 | MrOp | k |
| 06:50.27 | Deathtorn | lol |
| 06:50.47 | MrOp | i ask him about 500 to many question |
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| 06:51.55 | MrOp | hi 16 |
| 06:53.22 | MrOp | YOUR NOT REAL YOUR THE FAKE 16 |
| 06:54.23 | MrOp | i dont think i have ever seen 16 talk for more then 2 lines |
| 06:54.27 | MrOp | hmmmm |
| 07:05.18 | Skittles | anyway to make the transition between uncloaked and cloaked faster? |
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| 07:09.47 | Tobin_ | Hmm, even if i type the captcha code in wrong it still lets me join... well idk if it was right or not actually. They keep giving me gibberish that i have to guess. |
| 07:10.28 | Skittles | I used to think it did that too |
| 07:10.36 | Skittles | Cause I justed typed w/e when I was like wtf is that ? |
| 07:10.44 | Skittles | But I think I was just being lucky. |
| 07:11.10 | Skittles | They gave me a lambda the other day. lol |
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| 07:38.15 | grim001 | so I've been working on this for the past 8 hours or so |
| 07:38.28 | grim001 | I've created the ultimate development environment for SC2 |
| 07:38.45 | grim001 | and even a way to slip in some preprocessing if I feel like it |
| 07:39.30 | grim001 | but it looks like I took so long that anyone who might have cared has fallen asleep |
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| 07:46.13 | Skittles | lol |
| 07:53.29 | Deaod | wrong, im already awake agaij |
| 07:53.33 | Deaod | again* |
| 07:55.43 | Sixen | What're you making, grim001? |
| 07:56.11 | grim001 | I didn't make anything so much as cobble together all of the pieces that were already out there |
| 07:56.24 | Sixen | hehe, well... Mind disappeared, so no more Sparsile :( |
| 07:56.30 | Sixen | Anything a tthis point is helpful :p |
| 07:57.16 | grim001 | I am using a combination of trigger editor, notepad++, setpoint and AutoIt |
| 07:57.52 | grim001 | the only thing I will ever have to use the trigger editor for is listing script files that are included in the map |
| 07:58.10 | grim001 | its main purpose is just to be open so that SC2 can be launched to test the map from notepad++ |
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| 07:58.50 | Sixen | :X |
| 07:59.16 | QueenGambit | hi everyone |
| 07:59.22 | Sixen | hai |
| 07:59.38 | QueenGambit | trying to come up with some stories for onetwo's rpg |
| 07:59.41 | QueenGambit | while listening to this: |
| 07:59.42 | QueenGambit | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QS0q3mGPGg&feature=autoplay&list=QL&index=1&playnext=2 |
| 07:59.54 | Sixen | ah I gotta reply! :x |
| 07:59.55 | grim001 | I can create whatever directory structure I want to contain my .galaxy files, I've got syntax highlighting and autocomplete, I can test maps in about 2 seconds from notepad++ by pressing a single mouse button |
| 08:00.14 | Sixen | Really? |
| 08:00.42 | grim001 | and for the next trick, I'll be using AutoIt to intercept the script files before the map is loaded in order to try some preprocessing |
| 08:01.43 | grim001 | the map testing is really great because with my coding style I tend to test the map about once every minute or so |
| 08:02.04 | grim001 | it turns out that if you have SC2 already open, maps load very quickly, considering that most of the wait time is loading SC2 itself |
| 08:02.31 | grim001 | so I leave the trigger editor and sc2 open in the background |
| 08:02.47 | grim001 | don't even need to leave the previous test version of the map, just tab out of it |
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| 08:03.24 | grim001 | used setpoint to bind a mouse button to a notepad++ hotkey to run an autoit script to tell the editor to tell SC2 to load the map file |
| 08:03.52 | grim001 | which is hilariously circuitous if you ask me |
| 08:05.02 | grim001 | would be easy to use the same AutoIt script to edit the text files before the editor tests |
| 08:07.12 | QueenGambit | "I tend to test the map about once every minute or so" if you could make this happen i would love u forever |
| 08:07.20 | QueenGambit | grim001 =) |
| 08:07.50 | grim001 | I don't understand the meaning of what you just said |
| 08:08.03 | MrOp | i am alittle lost too |
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| 08:08.14 | MrOp | cant you test it already every min |
| 08:08.15 | MrOp | i do |
| 08:08.37 | MrOp | i am lost what you are saying to grim |
| 08:08.46 | MrOp | are you saying that you found a faster way to test |
| 08:08.49 | MrOp | a map |
| 08:09.09 | MrOp | and you can chaneg stuff while you are testing? |
| 08:09.56 | grim001 | when you test a map, it usually takes quite a number of seconds to load |
| 08:10.14 | grim001 | this method reduces the time to load a map for testing down to just a few seconds |
| 08:10.34 | grim001 | and also removes the need to actually close the map |
| 08:11.21 | MrOp | i cna do both but i have a nice computer |
| 08:11.54 | grim001 | umm |
| 08:12.04 | MrOp | i sort of follow you |
| 08:12.22 | grim001 | i have no idea what you are saying, you make no sense |
| 08:12.29 | grim001 | your computer is so fast that it takes 0 seconds to test a map? |
| 08:12.35 | MrOp | lol |
| 08:12.38 | grim001 | so you don't need any improvement there? |
| 08:12.42 | MrOp | you didnt say 0 you said a few |
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| 08:12.49 | MrOp | if you can do 0 wow |
| 08:12.59 | grim001 | yes, however fast your computer does it now, it would take less than half the time with this method |
| 08:13.13 | grim001 | considering that SC2 is already open |
| 08:13.19 | MrOp | is it easy to impliment |
| 08:13.26 | MrOp | yea i have them both open now |
| 08:13.32 | grim001 | no, I don't think you should bother |
| 08:13.51 | grim001 | unless you code only in galaxy |
| 08:14.00 | grim001 | which i doubt for some reason |
| 08:14.05 | MrOp | no i am a GUI guy lol |
| 08:14.16 | MrOp | hay |
| 08:16.23 | DonKalypso | Anyone here know a lot about the American Judicial system? |
| 08:16.50 | grim001 | what about it? |
| 08:17.03 | DonKalypso | The layout and how appeals work |
| 08:17.41 | Skittles | what does the error nested iteration mean |
| 08:17.42 | MrOp | why is the don have legal issues |
| 08:17.51 | MrOp | what am i not suprised |
| 08:17.53 | MrOp | j/k |
| 08:18.06 | DonKalypso | I'm working on a short story that parodies/mimic's/is the story of Jesus's arrest and the trials that take place. |
| 08:18.21 | DonKalypso | The twist on this is that it takes place in current day America |
| 08:18.26 | MrOp | o |
| 08:18.42 | Skittles | I know a bit, took government (college level) any way |
| 08:19.00 | DonKalypso | Most of the names of the characters will be more modern, most with nods to their original persona |
| 08:19.25 | Skittles | You can name jesus jesus. |
| 08:19.31 | grim001 | I hope your story ends up with Jesus being tossed in the loony bin |
| 08:19.32 | Skittles | Just pronounce it who sues |
| 08:19.38 | Skittles | whosays |
| 08:19.41 | Skittles | or w/e |
| 08:19.43 | Skittles | whosus |
| 08:19.50 | grim001 | and put on some antipsychotic medications |
| 08:19.56 | DonKalypso | Like Jesus being a young man named Joshua C something or another |
| 08:20.09 | Skittles | How about Jessy |
| 08:20.10 | DonKalypso | JC to all his friends |
| 08:20.14 | Skittles | lol |
| 08:20.49 | MrOp | wrong char skittles |
| 08:20.52 | MrOp | XD |
| 08:21.10 | DonKalypso | In the end I want Judge Pontius to regret sentencing JC to the electric chair |
| 08:21.21 | MrOp | he does |
| 08:21.32 | DonKalypso | That varies from telling to telling |
| 08:21.46 | MrOp | well he says it himself |
| 08:21.47 | DonKalypso | The Bible doesn't linger much on Pilate |
| 08:21.57 | DonKalypso | He simply washes his hands of Jesus |
| 08:22.08 | DonKalypso | Doesn't say he regrets it, he just wants nothing to do with what happens |
| 08:22.20 | MrOp | "you are condeming him" |
| 08:22.27 | MrOp | etc etc |
| 08:22.45 | DonKalypso | As I said, it varies from telling to telling |
| 08:22.46 | MrOp | i guess it depends how closely you want to follow whats writen |
| 08:23.17 | DonKalypso | In most tellings, movies and books and what not, Pilate is seen as a sinner for condemning Jesus |
| 08:23.21 | DonKalypso | He's played as a bad gu |
| 08:23.24 | DonKalypso | guy* |
| 08:23.27 | DonKalypso | Hell |
| 08:23.46 | MrOp | well if you look at the history |
| 08:23.52 | MrOp | he got painted into a corner |
| 08:23.55 | DonKalypso | In Dante's Inferno, the game, Pilate is stuck in Limbo |
| 08:23.58 | MrOp | and the jews wanted blood |
| 08:24.11 | MrOp | and he could afford another up riseing |
| 08:24.16 | MrOp | and it would have been his ass |
| 08:24.23 | MrOp | slash killed if it happena agin |
| 08:24.32 | MrOp | hense there chanting |
| 08:24.41 | MrOp | there where about to start a riot |
| 08:24.54 | MrOp | and he was a problem to him as well |
| 08:25.00 | MrOp | but the romans didnt care |
| 08:25.01 | grim001 | please take it to #religion or something |
| 08:25.21 | DonKalypso | This is more history, dude |
| 08:25.32 | DonKalypso | We know Pilate existed in history |
| 08:25.44 | QueenGambit | is this sc2mapster? |
| 08:26.00 | MrOp | get over yourself please |
| 08:27.29 | MrOp | so i guess it just depends on how acurate you want to be with history and text and stuff |
| 08:28.42 | grim001 | yes, if you want to be accurate, I already mentioned how your story should turn out |
| 08:36.13 | DonKalypso | Freenode won't let me make #Religion |
| 08:36.20 | MrOp | lol |
| 08:38.39 | Tobin_ | How can i hide / prevent "Not enough minerals" & "Cooldown is active" from showing up? |
| 08:39.01 | MrOp | idk |
| 08:39.11 | MrOp | tobin did you still need help with a test |
| 08:41.13 | MrOp | anyone want to help me test my map |
| 08:45.25 | DonKalypso | MrOp, do you have a skype? I do some of my best thinking out loud. |
| 08:45.31 | MrOp | sure |
| 08:49.32 | Tobin_ | MrOp I tested it already (Working perfectly). I can help you test if you want. |
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| 08:52.10 | Deaod | being able to test a new version of a map without having to close down SC2 is actually quite nice |
| 08:53.00 | Tobin_ | Yup |
| 08:53.13 | Tobin_ | decreases load time too. |
| 08:54.00 | grim001 | Deaod, I'll give you details on how to setup all of this stuff later, I'd practically need to write an article about it |
| 08:55.09 | Tobin_ | How can i hide / prevent "Not enough minerals" & "Cooldown is active" from showing up? My map has skill spamming and it becomes incredibly annoying. |
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| 09:01.55 | Skittles | going to bed |
| 09:01.56 | Skittles | l8er |
| 09:02.08 | MrOp | night |
| 09:02.28 | Skittles | morning :p |
| 09:02.33 | MrOp | or that |
| 09:02.35 | MrOp | XD |
| 09:02.57 | Helral|Work | afternoon ;p |
| 09:03.09 | MrOp | OMG HERAL |
| 09:03.11 | MrOp | YEA |
| 09:03.14 | MrOp | XD |
| 09:09.36 | abstruse | :O |
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| 09:15.58 | Helral|Work | MrOp: how did it go with the records ;p still confused? |
| 09:19.27 | Tobin_ | Could someone look at this and tell me what i did wrong? http://pastebin.com/Y2yx70vC |
| 09:19.45 | Tobin_ | The kills array is 4 |
| 09:19.59 | Helral|Work | in galaxy? |
| 09:20.58 | grim001 | amazing, it's in galaxy |
| 09:21.05 | grim001 | almost no one actually uses galaxy... |
| 09:21.06 | Helral|Work | try setting it to 5 if it is 4 in galaxy. if it is 4 in GUI then it should be correct. |
| 09:21.38 | Helral|Work | array size 4 in galaxy = 0-3. array size 4 in the Trigger GUI = 0-4 |
| 09:21.49 | Tobin_ | Its in trigger gui |
| 09:22.05 | Tobin_ | i just used view script then copy pasted it |
| 09:22.14 | Helral|Work | well the code doesn't look wrong... |
| 09:22.24 | Helral|Work | why not just copy paste what you see in the trigger editor? |
| 09:22.30 | Helral|Work | ctrl+shift+c ;p |
| 09:23.08 | Tobin_ | haha, well every time i've asked for help, the code has been requested... (Jademus / Jmanv) |
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| 09:23.22 | Deaod | look for the declaration of the kills array |
| 09:23.43 | Deaod | probably somewhere at the top of the script file |
| 09:23.48 | Tobin_ | Kills Unit - Any Unit dies Actions Variable - Set Kills[(Killing player)] = (Kills[(Killing player)] + 1) Leaderboard - Set (Last created leaderboard) item text at column 2 and row 1 to (Text(Kills[1])) Leaderboard - Set (Last created leaderboard) item text at column 2 and row 2 to (Text(Kills[2])) Leaderboard - Set (Last created leaderboard) item text at column 2 and row 3 to (Text(Kills |
| 09:24.10 | grim001 | who would rather look at that than galaxy code? |
| 09:24.20 | Helral|Work | uhm Tobin do paste it in pastebin. ;p |
| 09:24.24 | Deaod | masochists. |
| 09:24.31 | Helral|Work | cause on IRC it's not readable ;p |
| 09:24.34 | Tobin_ | haha it was jademus deaod |
| 09:24.42 | grim001 | Deaod, do you use galaxy yet or have you been waiting for certain features to come about |
| 09:24.55 | Tobin_ | http://pastebin.com/HV1nAi7d |
| 09:25.06 | Deaod | i dont mod SC2, but if i did id use galaxy |
| 09:25.10 | Helral|Work | btw don't use Last Created Leaderboard. unless you have created it in that function. |
| 09:25.19 | Tobin_ | bah |
| 09:25.19 | Helral|Work | use a global variable in which you store the leaderboard. |
| 09:25.21 | Tobin_ | thats what it is |
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| 09:25.31 | Helral|Work | it looks way nicer that way ;p |
| 09:25.43 | Helral|Work | and you're more certain that it won't break at some point. ;p |
| 09:25.54 | Deaod | and i would appreciate any tools that make writing code for SC2 easier |
| 09:25.57 | Tobin_ | Thats why its not working... i didn't speicfy the leaderboard of which to update |
| 09:26.07 | Tobin_ | So simple, cant believe i missed it... |
| 09:26.19 | grim001 | Deaod, with the setup I've found, along with a bit of simple preprocessing, it might be possible to create an environment that is better than WC3 coding was, minus the fancier OOP features |
| 09:26.37 | grim001 | without a whole lot of work or waiting for a year |
| 09:26.39 | Deaod | which could be added at a later point in time |
| 09:26.47 | Deaod | if i understood you correctly |
| 09:26.53 | Tobin_ | Thanks for the help |
| 09:28.15 | grim001 | using AutoIt for a preprocessor is rather primitive but I've done it before |
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| 09:30.15 | Deaod | well, if you can execute third party programs and pass parameters to them in AutoIt, then preprocessing galaxy code shouldnt be a big deal |
| 09:30.17 | Deaod | anyway, bbl |
| 09:37.54 | Tobin_ | Is it better to use a periodic event or a loop? (for mineral increase every x seconds) |
| 09:40.04 | Helral|Work | periodic event or behavior. |
| 09:41.17 | Tobin_ | Alright, how come though? |
| 09:41.59 | Helral|Work | with loops you don't always get a correct timing. periodic events are correctly timed. |
| 09:42.54 | Helral|Work | a wait(3) in a loop and every 3 seconds can result in a difference of seconds over a long period of time. (you won't notice it most of the time.) |
| 09:43.23 | Tobin_ | Good to know, thanks. |
| 09:43.42 | Helral|Work | and a behavior also is unaffected like the periodic event. |
| 09:44.38 | Helral|Work | the reason for the difference is: start time till next, do actions <-- periodic event, behavior against loop --> do actions, start time till next |
| 09:45.03 | Helral|Work | so the actions duration actually add to the time before the next trigger for loop with waits, while it doesn't for periodic events. |
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| 09:48.44 | Tobin_ | Helral, you helped me create a buff that increased minerals yesterday right? |
| 09:49.13 | Helral|Work | could be yes. |
| 09:49.57 | Tobin_ | Was just wondering, because I remember that person explaining things very well also. |
| 09:50.06 | Helral|Work | :P |
| 09:50.23 | Helral|Work | think I just listed the behavior and effect setup ;p |
| 09:55.13 | Bounty | Anyone wanna help test something real fast? =P |
| 09:55.28 | Helral|Work | yes, but can't :( |
| 09:55.53 | Bounty | bah >< |
| 09:56.07 | Bounty | im making a racing map :) |
| 09:56.15 | Bounty | kinda like... F-Zero and Star Wars Pod Racing lol |
| 09:56.47 | Tobin_ | I will boutny |
| 09:56.53 | Tobin_ | I'm in US though |
| 09:56.55 | Bounty | PM me @ Bounty.820 |
| 09:56.57 | Bounty | same |
| 10:03.31 | QueenGambit | onetwo read your pm plz =D |
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| 10:33.59 | MrOp | can anyonehelp me test please |
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| 10:37.44 | MrOp | can anyonehelp me test please |
| 10:41.29 | MrOp | anyone |
| 10:42.03 | MrOp | tobin |
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| 10:47.13 | Deaod | re |
| 10:51.50 | MrOp | deaod can you help me test |
| 10:51.57 | MrOp | don i am almost ready |
| 10:54.42 | Deaod | you in NA?= |
| 10:55.18 | MrOp | yea |
| 10:55.23 | Clord | I have quite few maps for 1.3.0 patch ready and waiting :) |
| 10:55.29 | Deaod | then youre out of luck |
| 10:55.33 | Deaod | im on EU |
| 10:55.36 | Clord | they either swim or sink |
| 10:55.37 | Clord | ^^ |
| 10:55.42 | MrOp | clord can you help me test |
| 10:55.44 | MrOp | :( |
| 10:55.54 | Clord | I'm from EU |
| 10:56.00 | MrOp | poop |
| 10:56.26 | MrOp | man painting water sucks |
| 11:01.24 | Tobin_ | If a player leaves the game, will it remove them from a player group? |
| 11:01.39 | Tobin_ | (aside from active players) |
| 11:01.57 | Helral|Work | nope |
| 11:02.23 | Tobin_ | Ahh good. |
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| 11:03.14 | Vexal | i hate captchas |
| 11:03.53 | DonKalypso | Then don't use them |
| 11:04.46 | Tobin_ | They give you illegible gibberish every time too Vexal? |
| 11:05.52 | MrOp | tobin can you help me test please |
| 11:06.22 | MrOp | tob |
| 11:06.25 | MrOp | bin |
| 11:06.36 | MrOp | bababboboo |
| 11:06.56 | DonKalypso | Map name porfavour |
| 11:07.03 | MrOp | i will invite you |
| 11:07.09 | MrOp | just jump into our channel |
| 11:07.25 | DonKalypso | I've no idea how |
| 11:07.27 | DonKalypso | lol |
| 11:08.35 | Clord | lol that USA side of sCII site |
| 11:08.38 | Clord | SCII site |
| 11:08.38 | Hati | uuuh gish is open source |
| 11:08.46 | Clord | constant comments asking "how do I download the map" |
| 11:08.47 | Clord | lol |
| 11:09.03 | MrOp | hati want to help me test |
| 11:09.08 | Hati | EU |
| 11:09.11 | MrOp | @#$@#$ |
| 11:09.13 | MrOp | :( |
| 11:09.19 | Hati | it's 4am in NA ... |
| 11:09.21 | MrOp | don what is your sc2 name |
| 11:09.27 | DonKalypso | DonKalypso |
| 11:09.29 | MrOp | k |
| 11:09.39 | MrOp | come to sc2mapster channel |
| 11:09.51 | DonKalypso | In? |
| 11:10.32 | DonKalypso | You're confusing me when you say that |
| 11:10.34 | DonKalypso | lol |
| 11:10.56 | MrOp | in sc2 |
| 11:10.59 | MrOp | XD |
| 11:11.05 | DonKalypso | K |
| 11:11.07 | MrOp | XD |
| 11:11.17 | DonKalypso | How do I join a channel in the game? |
| 11:11.31 | Hati | friendlist bottom button |
| 11:11.33 | Clord | think an second |
| 11:11.36 | Clord | and you get it |
| 11:11.49 | Clord | thinking... it is such ability what gives you more power |
| 11:12.04 | Clord | ./snap |
| 11:12.05 | Clord | XD |
| 11:12.17 | MrOp | uh goto the channel button |
| 11:12.26 | Clord | imagine what tech support people need to have able to whistand |
| 11:12.34 | MrOp | type in the name and click join channel |
| 11:12.58 | Clord | I have heard that most tech support guys don't like their job always |
| 11:13.00 | Clord | lol |
| 11:13.01 | Tobin_ | MrOp i can help you test, everytime i say yes you never get back to me though. |
| 11:13.20 | Hati | Clord: would you - getting 90% stupid questions answered 100 times per day :O ? |
| 11:13.32 | Tobin_ | Also for some reason i have an underscore (Tobin_) for the ping. |
| 11:14.20 | Hati | type /nick Tobin |
| 11:14.45 | Tobin | ahh thanks |
| 11:14.56 | Hati | properly you disconnected and you client / webclient just added a symbol |
| 11:15.00 | Hati | cause name is already given |
| 11:15.34 | Clord | yeah Hati... it is already enough hard to support own popular map |
| 11:15.36 | Clord | XD |
| 11:15.47 | Clord | people who report week olds bugs suddenly |
| 11:15.51 | Clord | what was fixed weeks ago |
| 11:15.51 | Clord | etc |
| 11:16.44 | Clord | and now I try to push even more maps via 1.3.0 |
| 11:16.48 | Clord | this is turning to be disaster XD |
| 11:19.44 | Hati | use mapsters ticket system |
| 11:19.45 | Hati | :o |
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| 11:23.21 | underscore_guy | o hai :3 |
| 11:23.51 | underscore_guy | oops... |
| 11:23.55 | Ousnius | :D |
| 11:24.05 | MrOp | hi |
| 11:24.09 | Hati | not NA |
| 11:29.28 | DonKalypso | I'ma lay down for a bit |
| 11:29.34 | DonKalypso | I'll see y'all in a bit |
| 11:32.20 | Clord | Hati... I have site... I don't need mapster ticket system right now |
| 11:32.20 | Clord | XD |
| 11:32.56 | Clord | also |
| 11:33.04 | Clord | I meant when I'm logged in to SCII |
| 11:33.06 | Clord | I get swarmed |
| 11:33.24 | Clord | with chat windows etc |
| 11:33.50 | abstruse | BURN IT ALL DOWN |
| 11:33.51 | abstruse | afk |
| 11:34.25 | Clord | lol |
| 11:38.34 | Hati | Clord: DND mode :o |
| 11:39.15 | Clord | I need more slots |
| 11:39.22 | Clord | to upload my maps on |
| 11:39.34 | Clord | TCG is taking it's lionshare already |
| 11:41.02 | Clord | 21.34MB XD |
| 11:42.05 | Clord | it might be king of card maps but damn... it takes it's "toll". XD |
| 11:42.12 | Clord | I have slot problem lol |
| 11:43.34 | Clord | I have about 1-2 slots I can free for other stuff |
| 11:43.40 | Clord | then gg XD |
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| 12:03.54 | Ousnius | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgS67BwPfFY |
| 12:04.02 | Ousnius | OwO |
| 12:04.14 | Ousnius | and I love the robot @ end :D |
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| 12:50.43 | Demonette | Hi guys |
| 12:51.04 | Demonette | does someone here know how i can attach units to other unit like in void craft? |
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| 13:00.34 | sjkoe | jademus! |
| 13:00.37 | sjkoe | oh.. |
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| 13:21.18 | Demonette | oh ^^ |
| 13:24.35 | furymonkey | o,o |
| 13:30.07 | Demonette | ! |
| 13:33.42 | Ousnius | demonette no idea |
| 13:33.45 | Ousnius | didnt work alot with actors :P |
| 13:33.52 | Demonette | i see |
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| 13:50.57 | JademusSreg | I awaken. |
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| 14:07.16 | Clord | :) |
| 14:07.30 | Clord | how pathetic... now there is even people who like to hack my map while playing >_> |
| 14:08.28 | furymonkey | what is your map? |
| 14:09.36 | Clord | THE Card Game |
| 14:09.45 | Clord | lol |
| 14:10.13 | Clord | someone found weakness of map via deck builder..... adding card and then make map to draw card before deck is even made |
| 14:10.46 | Clord | but now map detects if deck builder is still on.... |
| 14:10.59 | Clord | but I'm sure some people find new ways to screw with map |
| 14:11.28 | furymonkey | you should be happy that people are trying to hack |
| 14:11.34 | furymonkey | it means people play your map, and they want to win |
| 14:11.40 | Clord | hehe yeah |
| 14:11.49 | Clord | expect map has been proven that since release back from SCII beta days |
| 14:11.50 | Clord | ^^ |
| 14:12.10 | Clord | but lately it has reached point where there is |
| 14:12.13 | Clord | "pro scene" XD |
| 14:12.29 | Clord | http://www.revolutionalarts.com/ |
| 14:12.41 | Clord | unbeliavable how active my site has been since map became really popular onepoint |
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| 14:12.52 | Clord | and it is thanks to chat channels too |
| 14:13.00 | Clord | I was able to make them meet |
| 14:13.03 | Clord | with telling it via map |
| 14:13.20 | JademusSreg | What did I miss? |
| 14:13.20 | furymonkey | true |
| 14:13.35 | furymonkey | how popular is the actual map? I havent seen any card game high up on the list |
| 14:14.01 | furymonkey | i just doesnt like this map system, there are alot of maps out there, it's just hard to find |
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| 14:14.40 | Clord | hehe.... you are not probably EU player? |
| 14:14.43 | Clord | that would explain it |
| 14:15.11 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 14:15.19 | furymonkey | true |
| 14:15.21 | furymonkey | US here |
| 14:15.54 | furymonkey | SEA and US to be exact |
| 14:16.35 | Ousnius | has anybody here used the march beta of UDK? |
| 14:16.52 | JademusSreg | I've not gotten around to it. |
| 14:16.55 | Ousnius | I can't find the main light anymore o.o |
| 14:17.28 | JademusSreg | http://pastebin.com/ECkkwRPd |
| 14:17.31 | Clord | however |
| 14:17.35 | Clord | I have super old version of map |
| 14:17.37 | Clord | in SEA too |
| 14:17.41 | Clord | it was rather popular there too |
| 14:17.43 | Clord | XD |
| 14:18.20 | Clord | btw... THE Card Game appears in livestream |
| 14:18.49 | Clord | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/general/general-chat/18556-eu-map-night/#posts |
| 14:18.55 | Clord | well it has appeared long time ago too |
| 14:19.03 | Clord | XD |
| 14:19.13 | Clord | I just suggested it for fun :) |
| 14:21.19 | Shawn|Rawr | Jademus, you miss everything good. |
| 14:21.21 | Shawn|Rawr | >.> |
| 14:22.14 | JademusSreg | I know! |
| 14:22.20 | JademusSreg | What did I miss this time? |
| 14:22.40 | Shawn|Rawr | Me trying to avoid finishing my map |
| 14:23.03 | Shawn|Rawr | Because I know the hard parts are coming up |
| 14:23.07 | JademusSreg | I also posted a topic on mapster about my script, trying to make a contribution. |
| 14:23.47 | JademusSreg | Shawn, I can think of an interesting diversion for you |
| 14:24.26 | JademusSreg | And by interesting, in this case, I mean it would assist me in assisting GUI users. |
| 14:25.31 | JademusSreg | And by -that-, I mean getting someone to create GUI wrappers for the stuff I write. |
| 14:25.32 | Shawn|Rawr | That sounds fun |
| 14:25.47 | Shawn|Rawr | I don't like rap, but I'll try |
| 14:25.53 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 14:26.20 | JademusSreg | Take that input script for instance; that could be done in GUI. |
| 14:26.49 | Shawn|Rawr | Right.. but you'd have to guide me a bit |
| 14:26.55 | furymonkey | a silly question here, i have a trigger that applys buff, since it isn't stackable, it really doesnt matter if unit already has it, would you guys add in condition check to prevent that? |
| 14:27.04 | JademusSreg | No problem. |
| 14:27.18 | JademusSreg | Whenever you feel the inclination, let me know. |
| 14:27.34 | JademusSreg | fury, no. |
| 14:27.38 | Shawn|Rawr | What happens when a buff is reapplied is decided in the behavior itself, by default it would just refresh the last added buff |
| 14:28.03 | Shawn|Rawr | So it wouldn't do any harm unless the buff has a duration or something, afaik |
| 14:28.20 | Shawn|Rawr | Are you awake enough right now to do it? >.> |
| 14:28.34 | JademusSreg | Maybe! =D |
| 14:28.55 | Shawn|Rawr | Mmk. I'll start setting up the variables and get something to drink |
| 14:29.12 | JademusSreg | Create 4 records, Button, Key, Mouse, and Input, and an Input variable array size 16. |
| 14:29.46 | furymonkey | shawn, i know that reapply the buff wouldnt change anything, but i am just wondering if you guys would prevent that ever happen |
| 14:30.08 | JademusSreg | Those correspond to the declarations in STRUCTS and GLOBALS |
| 14:30.19 | JademusSreg | I wouldn't fury. |
| 14:30.35 | JademusSreg | Since repplying a buff to extend duration is a time honored tradition. |
| 14:31.01 | Shawn|Rawr | The variable array is what type? |
| 14:31.03 | JademusSreg | Since it can't stack, it makes no difference. |
| 14:31.24 | JademusSreg | Variable array should be Record type, and set the Record type to Input. |
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| 14:31.42 | furymonkey | it's like writiting checks to prevent variable change when there isnt any change |
| 14:32.40 | furymonkey | or should i put it this way |
| 14:32.48 | JademusSreg | Shawn, did you add the variables in the records or do I need to describe those? |
| 14:32.49 | Shawn|Rawr | lol. I'm still lost on the variable array >.> |
| 14:33.18 | Shawn|Rawr | I've never used records. |
| 14:33.26 | JademusSreg | Shawn, when setting a variable type, in this case the playerInput global array, - Record is the second option from the top. |
| 14:33.59 | JademusSreg | When you make something Record type, you then will select a kind of record from the drop down menu that appears below the first one. |
| 14:34.02 | Shawn|Rawr | Input[16] |
| 14:34.03 | Shawn|Rawr | Got it |
| 14:34.35 | JademusSreg | Did you create the internal variables for the records yet? |
| 14:34.44 | JademusSreg | I can cover that too, if needed. |
| 14:35.29 | Shawn|Rawr | Ok.. What is the button one? |
| 14:35.36 | JademusSreg | Button has a single boolean size 6 variable. |
| 14:35.47 | JademusSreg | Key has a single boolean size 99 variable. |
| 14:36.02 | JademusSreg | Mouse has 2 Integers and 3 Reals. |
| 14:36.22 | Shawn|Rawr | Ok.. it was the State word that confused me |
| 14:36.22 | JademusSreg | Integers: uix, uiy; Reals: x, y, z |
| 14:36.38 | JademusSreg | Yeah, name those internal variables state. |
| 14:36.54 | JademusSreg | Makes for a nice syntax. |
| 14:37.50 | JademusSreg | In galaxy, to get player 1's state for key X, you would type: playerInput[1].key.state[c_keyX] |
| 14:38.30 | JademusSreg | And it will look pretty much the same in GUI when you're done with it. |
| 14:38.47 | Shawn|Rawr | Now for the Input record? |
| 14:39.01 | JademusSreg | Input will have 3 variables. |
| 14:39.20 | JademusSreg | Key type named key, Button type named button, and Mouse type named mouse |
| 14:40.03 | Shawn|Rawr | Those Record types again? |
| 14:40.27 | JademusSreg | It will have them as variables. |
| 14:40.56 | JademusSreg | Records are just like variable types that store other variables. |
| 14:41.02 | JademusSreg | And you use them as such. |
| 14:41.04 | Shawn|Rawr | ok. What about the constants? |
| 14:41.20 | JademusSreg | Don't worry about the constants; you won't need them. |
| 14:41.25 | Shawn|Rawr | ok! |
| 14:41.28 | JademusSreg | Next, you'll need 5 triggers. |
| 14:41.49 | Clord | so how much you are taking per hour from him? XD |
| 14:41.50 | JademusSreg | Here's where it gets fun. |
| 14:42.15 | JademusSreg | None. He's making a GUI implementation of my input catching script for the benefit of the community. |
| 14:42.24 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 14:43.01 | JademusSreg | Each trigger will correspond to the functions like Input_KeyOn and stuff. |
| 14:43.30 | Clord | hehe |
| 14:43.34 | Clord | yeah |
| 14:43.35 | JademusSreg | 2 Key input triggers, 2 mouse click triggers, and 1 mouse movement trigger. |
| 14:43.49 | Clord | while maps can be locked...... tutorials can be shared |
| 14:44.01 | Clord | ^^ |
| 14:44.07 | JademusSreg | I'm too lazy to write tutorials; that shit is boring. |
| 14:44.17 | Clord | tell me about it |
| 14:44.18 | Clord | lol |
| 14:44.32 | Clord | I have enough work to map for my own maps |
| 14:44.38 | Clord | not to seek additional work with tutorials |
| 14:44.40 | JademusSreg | It's like holding the hands of a hundred invalids, guiding them down 20 flights of stairs. |
| 14:44.57 | Shawn|Rawr | Hehe. You can continue at any time |
| 14:45.03 | Clord | I'm more doing type.. that's why I learn languages effectively :) |
| 14:45.12 | Clord | via programs etc |
| 14:45.28 | Clord | I kept stuff way better when I do something |
| 14:45.31 | Clord | not read about how to |
| 14:45.39 | JademusSreg | The 2 key triggers, one for down, one for up. |
| 14:46.32 | JademusSreg | The key down trigger action consists entirely of setting playerInput[TriggeringPlayer].key.state[Get That Damn Key] = true |
| 14:46.48 | Shawn|Rawr | Key pressed events? |
| 14:46.48 | JademusSreg | The key up trigger consists of setting that same thing to false. |
| 14:46.54 | JademusSreg | Yup. |
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| 14:47.46 | JademusSreg | Got it so far? |
| 14:48.14 | Shawn|Rawr | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:48.19 | Shawn|Rawr | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:48.28 | Shawn|Rawr | ? |
| 14:48.34 | JademusSreg | Close. |
| 14:48.51 | JademusSreg | Set state[] to triggering key, event key, whatever it's called in gui. |
| 14:49.02 | JademusSreg | So like state[Event Key] |
| 14:51.28 | Shawn|Rawr | In the brackets, its telling me I need to put an integer there.. I must have messed up or something |
| 14:51.35 | JademusSreg | It gets the key, which is an int value, and uses it as an array index. |
| 14:51.58 | JademusSreg | No, it's supposed to take an integer. |
| 14:52.02 | Shawn|Rawr | Key Pressed isnt in the integer list |
| 14:52.18 | Shawn|Rawr | Found it |
| 14:52.25 | JademusSreg | =) |
| 14:52.30 | Shawn|Rawr | Convert Preset to Integer |
| 14:52.34 | Shawn|Rawr | >< |
| 14:52.51 | Shawn|Rawr | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:53.14 | JademusSreg | I don't know what that conversion there means, but great! |
| 14:53.18 | JademusSreg | It looks right. |
| 14:53.49 | JademusSreg | I guess the GUI shit stores constants as "Presets". |
| 14:53.52 | JademusSreg | Anyway, good. |
| 14:54.16 | JademusSreg | Copy that action into the key up trigger, and set it to false. |
| 14:54.20 | Shawn|Rawr | Done |
| 14:54.38 | JademusSreg | Next, mouse button click triggers. |
| 14:54.45 | JademusSreg | 2 of em. |
| 14:55.20 | JademusSreg | Make a player local variable. |
| 14:55.27 | JademusSreg | And set it to event player. |
| 14:55.41 | Shawn|Rawr | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:55.41 | JademusSreg | It's more efficient because it saves on some function calls. |
| 14:55.53 | Shawn|Rawr | ok! |
| 14:56.17 | JademusSreg | Also, in addition to that value, you need to set the Mouse values. |
| 14:56.28 | JademusSreg | See in my script? |
| 14:56.46 | Shawn|Rawr | I'm staring at it |
| 14:56.55 | JademusSreg | You'll be setting Mouse.uix, uiy, x, y, and z. |
| 14:57.18 | JademusSreg | Can you guess to what you'll be setting them? |
| 14:59.08 | Skizot | your mom? |
| 14:59.16 | JademusSreg | Obviously. |
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| 15:00.45 | Shawn|Rawr | I dont know what the mouse clicked UI thing is called |
| 15:01.02 | Shawn|Rawr | nvm |
| 15:01.05 | Shawn|Rawr | im tarded |
| 15:01.20 | JademusSreg | Hahaha |
| 15:04.13 | Shawn|Rawr | Mouse moved event for the last one? |
| 15:04.20 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 15:04.28 | JademusSreg | And it's actions will be similar to the click actions. |
| 15:04.37 | JademusSreg | Setting variables, but no boolean. |
| 15:05.04 | JademusSreg | And instead of click event values, you'll get mouse moved values. |
| 15:05.58 | Shawn|Rawr | ok. whats the bottom part mean? |
| 15:06.22 | JademusSreg | Input init is my custom script initializer. |
| 15:06.31 | JademusSreg | It is of no consequence to GUI. |
| 15:06.32 | Shawn|Rawr | ok |
| 15:07.06 | Shawn|Rawr | Now it will catch every single key press, mouse move, and everyhting |
| 15:07.28 | JademusSreg | Did you remember to use the player local variable instead of Trigger player each time in the mouse button and moved events? |
| 15:07.58 | Shawn|Rawr | Of course |
| 15:08.05 | JademusSreg | Cool. |
| 15:08.36 | JademusSreg | It should catch all key, button, and mouse movement and store the values in variables. |
| 15:09.01 | JademusSreg | The triggers allow the players to toggle functionality. |
| 15:09.16 | Shawn|Rawr | http://pastebin.com/vqc4ANAR |
| 15:10.07 | Shawn|Rawr | just in case you wanted to see how much longer it was in gui |
| 15:10.47 | JademusSreg | Perfect. |
| 15:10.51 | JademusSreg | Well done. |
| 15:11.10 | Shawn|Rawr | Now what to do with it? |
| 15:11.44 | JademusSreg | Now you never need to make another trigger to catch input. |
| 15:11.47 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 15:12.14 | JademusSreg | Whenever you want to get input, you retrieve it from the input array. |
| 15:12.17 | Shawn|Rawr | lol. my tbs already has all the input catching triggers it needs |
| 15:12.26 | Shawn|Rawr | 2 |
| 15:12.41 | JademusSreg | Also, you can post it on mapster or whatever. |
| 15:12.46 | JademusSreg | Or store it for later. |
| 15:13.58 | Tobin | tbs? |
| 15:14.07 | JademusSreg | If you post it on mapster, link to this =D http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/galaxy-scripting-and-trigger-lib/19451-input-a-script-to-capture-key-and-mouse-input/ |
| 15:14.25 | Shawn|Rawr | lol. i replied to it |
| 15:14.29 | Shawn|Rawr | No need to link |
| 15:14.34 | JademusSreg | Wakka wakka |
| 15:14.40 | Tobin | Whats tbs? |
| 15:14.48 | Shawn|Rawr | Should I post it somewhere else too? |
| 15:14.52 | Shawn|Rawr | MY TBS |
| 15:14.58 | Shawn|Rawr | [wip] |
| 15:15.04 | JademusSreg | Well done sir! |
| 15:15.25 | Shawn|Rawr | It was easy enough |
| 15:15.30 | Shawn|Rawr | :) |
| 15:15.31 | Hati | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/general/general-chat/19461-is-there-a-restriction-for-the-numbers-of-trigger/#p1 someone? |
| 15:15.37 | JademusSreg | I figured it would make more sense being posted in the trigger section, since I doubt GUI people look in the scripting section. |
| 15:16.32 | JademusSreg | Hati, maybe he hit the VM limit for compiled bytecode. |
| 15:16.49 | JademusSreg | That would be goddamn impressive, though. |
| 15:16.56 | Shawn|Rawr | Trigger section, or assets.. or somewhere else.. |
| 15:17.01 | Shawn|Rawr | hmmm.. |
| 15:17.14 | JademusSreg | Trigger section, I'm guessing. =) |
| 15:17.34 | Shawn|Rawr | Unless it becomes a library |
| 15:17.38 | Shawn|Rawr | dun dun dun |
| 15:17.45 | JademusSreg | *suspense* |
| 15:18.25 | Shawn|Rawr | Up to you I guess. Triggers section, or Library->Assets Section |
| 15:18.47 | Wihl | Subtle ad: http://www.webhallen.com/ |
| 15:18.48 | JademusSreg | Makes no difference to me. =D |
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| 15:19.35 | Shawn|Rawr | wihl, i have absolutely 0 interest in DA2 |
| 15:19.42 | Shawn|Rawr | jsut fyi |
| 15:19.46 | JademusSreg | Same. |
| 15:19.49 | Wihl | thank you, now I know |
| 15:20.20 | Shawn|Rawr | Bioware's first major failure imo |
| 15:20.27 | Shawn|Rawr | And yet they're running with it |
| 15:20.31 | Shawn|Rawr | >. |
| 15:20.33 | Shawn|Rawr | >.> |
| 15:25.44 | Ousnius | question |
| 15:25.51 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 15:25.59 | Ousnius | tera or guild wars 2? |
| 15:26.12 | Ousnius | I'd prefer gw2 |
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| 15:27.27 | JademusSreg | The latter, I guess. |
| 15:28.15 | Shawn|Rawr | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/trigger-libraries/19464-triggers-input-capture-system/ |
| 15:29.07 | Hati | Ousnius: tera was fun ; gw2 no beta as far as i know :o |
| 15:30.01 | JademusSreg | Niiice Shawn. |
| 15:30.15 | Shawn|Rawr | Hehe. That was fun |
| 15:30.16 | JademusSreg | We've got the synergy. |
| 15:30.17 | Shawn|Rawr | What's next? |
| 15:30.32 | JademusSreg | Nothing until I write a WASD script. |
| 15:30.37 | JademusSreg | Which I will do soon. |
| 15:31.04 | JademusSreg | My prototype was excellent, but I recognized some design flaws that could only be addressed by rewriting it. |
| 15:31.33 | Shawn|Rawr | Did you see the post where skittles asked what a nested iteration was? |
| 15:32.50 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
| 15:33.06 | Shawn|Rawr | I lol'd |
| 15:33.10 | Hati | purl |
| 15:33.11 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 15:33.19 | Hati | ~purl |
| 15:33.19 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, purl is a far prettier chatbot than you. |
| 15:34.54 | JademusSreg | I figured a good place to start was writing an optimal input catcher. |
| 15:35.38 | JademusSreg | I wish I had the specs on their bool implementation. |
| 15:36.01 | JademusSreg | So I know how much memory is used by my script. |
| 15:36.42 | JademusSreg | I estimate that, using 32-bit bool, it uses a little more than 6kb of memory. |
| 15:37.26 | JademusSreg | For variables. |
| 15:37.40 | JademusSreg | That's not including compiled bytecode. |
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| 15:38.31 | JademusSreg | Hi Zoxc. |
| 15:39.18 | JademusSreg | Do you know the specs on SC2's bool? Is it 32-bit? |
| 15:39.32 | JademusSreg | I figured if anyone knew, it would be you. |
| 15:40.27 | Zoxc | You never know with Blizzard |
| 15:40.35 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 15:41.44 | JademusSreg | I'm attempting to determine how much memory is being used by the variables in a script I wrote. |
| 15:41.51 | furymonkey | wtf |
| 15:42.01 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 15:42.05 | furymonkey | why cant i set variables inside record to be constant |
| 15:42.28 | JademusSreg | Is it a record or records type variable, fury? |
| 15:43.27 | JademusSreg | In any case, constants don't change; they have no use inside a record. |
| 15:43.34 | furymonkey | struct gs_Soldier {const string lv_name = "Soldier";}; |
| 15:43.45 | JademusSreg | Doing it for the syntax is dubious. |
| 15:43.46 | Zoxc | easy way to find out is to create a big bool array =P |
| 15:44.12 | furymonkey | i tho records is just some nice handy thing to hide variables :( |
| 15:44.17 | JademusSreg | fury, structs are not themselves variables. |
| 15:44.39 | furymonkey | sorry my programming knowledge is very low |
| 15:44.43 | JademusSreg | You need a variable of the structs type. |
| 15:44.48 | JademusSreg | *struct's |
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| 15:45.13 | Shawn|Rawr | OK! So now i have to decide how to handle the unit problem |
| 15:45.24 | Zoxc | constant in structs are fine, but you won't be initialize them in the declaration (although there is no technical reason you couldn't) (this is for C btw ;) |
| 15:45.33 | furymonkey | I do have a variable that has the struct type |
| 15:46.36 | furymonkey | so moral of the story is just dont use constant inside a struct? |
| 15:47.25 | JademusSreg | I don't know why you would want to do that. =D |
| 15:47.28 | Dogmai | ~seen sixen |
| 15:47.44 | purl | sixen <~Sixen@173-25-23-86.client.mchsi.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 7h 47m 30s ago, saying: 'Really?'. |
| 15:47.57 | Dogmai | ~purl thanks |
| 15:47.57 | purl | bitte, Dogmai |
| 15:48.44 | Shawn|Rawr | jade, should i make my units bigger? |
| 15:49.31 | JademusSreg | Maybe. Why? |
| 15:49.48 | Shawn|Rawr | just making a list |
| 15:49.56 | Shawn|Rawr | its easier to map that way |
| 15:51.08 | JademusSreg | Idungetit |
| 15:51.29 | Shawn|Rawr | I'm making a list of what I need to do to the map |
| 15:51.46 | Shawn|Rawr | That way I can just stare at it, hate myself for a second, and then do it |
| 15:51.52 | Tobin | Everybody does that? |
| 15:52.32 | Tobin | Unless you just have ridiculous memory |
| 15:52.48 | Shawn|Rawr | I don't do it so i can remember |
| 15:53.02 | Shawn|Rawr | I do it so it is sitting there staring me in the face demanding to get done |
| 15:53.21 | JManV|Work | i don't have a list |
| 15:53.42 | Shawn|Rawr | You probably don't have motivation issues |
| 15:53.45 | JManV|Work | probably should, but |
| 15:53.53 | JManV|Work | from time to time |
| 15:54.05 | JManV|Work | but, yeah, this game is fairly self-motivating |
| 15:54.40 | JManV|Work | from time to time i feel the tendancy to want to work on something else |
| 15:55.42 | JManV|Work | and i've been pointing off one of my steps for a long time |
| 15:55.49 | JManV|Work | working on other elements instead |
| 15:56.09 | JManV|Work | the story intro. i haven't been sure how i want to do it, so i've been putting it off |
| 15:56.24 | Shawn|Rawr | And then tomorrow I get to find out why my gf has been ignoring and avoiding me for the last week.. she keeps saying "there is a lot going on in my head". That will be fun |
| 15:56.24 | JManV|Work | which is why i don't have a demo yet. i wanted to have that as part of the next demo |
| 15:56.42 | JManV|Work | how long you been going out? |
| 15:56.52 | Shawn|Rawr | 2 and ahalf years |
| 15:57.06 | JManV|Work | oh geez |
| 15:57.19 | JManV|Work | how old are you? |
| 15:57.48 | Shawn|Rawr | 20 |
| 15:57.55 | JManV|Work | ah |
| 15:58.32 | JManV|Work | i don't know if its any consolation, but the relationship is most likely doomed anyway |
| 15:58.41 | JademusSreg | They all are. |
| 15:58.46 | Shawn|Rawr | No it wasn't lol |
| 15:58.56 | JManV|Work | you're both still figuring out who you are. you would most likely grow apart no matter what |
| 15:59.21 | JManV|Work | it just means that there's someone else for you instead |
| 15:59.26 | Shawn|Rawr | Nah. I'm past that crap... and I thought she was.. |
| 15:59.29 | Shawn|Rawr | >.> |
| 15:59.33 | JManV|Work | at 20? |
| 15:59.35 | JManV|Work | hardly |
| 15:59.37 | JademusSreg | It's just a question of good doom or bad doom. You either die loved or lose the one you love, or you die alone. |
| 15:59.50 | JManV|Work | i started truly maturing at about 30 |
| 16:00.24 | JademusSreg | Heart-breaking doom or soul-crushing doom. Take your pick. =D |
| 16:00.26 | Shawn|Rawr | Says the guy that's making a pokemon game |
| 16:00.31 | Shawn|Rawr | :P |
| 16:00.32 | JManV|Work | heh |
| 16:00.39 | Tobin | burn. |
| 16:00.41 | JManV|Work | truer words... |
| 16:01.07 | JManV|Work | but i'm independant and have a career, a car, and a house |
| 16:01.47 | JManV|Work | i know who i am and what i want from life |
| 16:01.52 | JManV|Work | which is the most important part |
| 16:02.00 | JManV|Work | and even at 26-28, i had no idea |
| 16:02.07 | Shawn|Rawr | Nah, I just hope she doesn't pull this shit right before she goes off to college. We could have just ended it because she is leaving, not because she is having some kind of mental issue |
| 16:02.28 | Shawn|Rawr | It's so stupid to me |
| 16:02.30 | JManV|Work | relationships never end for only one reason |
| 16:02.33 | Shawn|Rawr | I hate people |
| 16:02.38 | JManV|Work | almost nothing, ever, happens for only one reason |
| 16:03.02 | JManV|Work | people are complicated, and there's usually a series of motivations for every single action we make |
| 16:03.29 | JManV|Work | similarly, relationships ending are never one person's "fault" |
| 16:03.42 | JManV|Work | people are compatible or they aren't, and compatibility happens on many, many levels |
| 16:04.13 | Tobin | Dr JManV |
| 16:04.25 | JManV|Work | some friends of mine are getting a divorce after like 10 years |
| 16:04.33 | JManV|Work | she's tired of him being lazy |
| 16:04.51 | JManV|Work | you could say it's his fault for being lazy, or hers for expecting a lazy person to change after 10 years |
| 16:05.06 | JManV|Work | but really they're just not as compatible as they thought they were |
| 16:05.43 | JManV|Work | and at 20, you're both still undergoing a lot of changes, and what's compatible now may not be tomorrow |
| 16:06.08 | JManV|Work | i guess that's just a really long way of saying "there are other fish in the sea" |
| 16:06.27 | Shawn|Rawr | lol. Dr JManV is right |
| 16:06.28 | JademusSreg | I have a way to say it that's more fun! |
| 16:07.11 | JManV|Work | i'm thinking jademus's point of view will be a little more cynical |
| 16:07.13 | JManV|Work | :) |
| 16:07.14 | Shawn|Rawr | You could just be like, "Dude.. you're fucked" |
| 16:09.01 | JManV|Work | well, in an absolute sense, you totally are |
| 16:09.03 | JManV|Work | we |
| 16:09.07 | JManV|Work | we're all fucked |
| 16:09.24 | JademusSreg | There are no souls, and there are no soulmates. Hope that you find someone which complements you, but don't worry, as there is a fair statistical distribution of persons with variant configurations of complimentary qualities. |
| 16:09.33 | JManV|Work | but i'm a dude that likes to make good with what time i have |
| 16:09.35 | Skizot | oh man oh man oh man oh man |
| 16:09.39 | Skizot | JMAN! |
| 16:09.46 | JademusSreg | *complementary |
| 16:09.48 | Skizot | i was given a PRETY awesome deal today. |
| 16:10.16 | Shawn|Rawr | skizot, don't approve my project this time |
| 16:10.17 | Shawn|Rawr | ;) |
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| 16:11.58 | Clord | GonZo is btw cheater in europe who likes to cheat in my map ^^ with some not so allowed methods |
| 16:12.02 | JManV|Work | what's up skiz? |
| 16:12.04 | Clord | EU side dude :) |
| 16:12.16 | JademusSreg | Who is GonZo and how does he cheat? |
| 16:12.33 | Clord | hehe.... it looks like he sees map scripts even of locked maps |
| 16:12.37 | Clord | and try to figure out exploits |
| 16:12.40 | Clord | with some methods |
| 16:12.57 | JademusSreg | Ban him. |
| 16:13.05 | Shawn|Rawr | unpossible |
| 16:13.07 | JademusSreg | Detect his name and boot him from the game. |
| 16:13.10 | JManV|Work | you can report him |
| 16:13.31 | Clord | I know as after I changed some triggers to counter that... he directly copy pasted my change to chat |
| 16:13.31 | Clord | XD |
| 16:13.58 | Clord | (yeah, he is attention seeker it seems) |
| 16:14.08 | JademusSreg | I guess I'll give writing a ban script a shot. |
| 16:14.27 | Shawn|Rawr | good luck getting his name |
| 16:14.53 | JManV|Work | he'd probably just hack the ban |
| 16:15.00 | JademusSreg | native text PlayerName(int player); |
| 16:15.37 | JManV|Work | but you can't compare text variables |
| 16:15.54 | Clord | at least GUI not allow it... so it is not probably possible in SCII |
| 16:16.08 | Clord | even without GUI |
| 16:16.14 | Tobin | They probably do it for that reason? |
| 16:16.21 | JManV|Work | they've explicitly stated that they disallowed compaing player names on purpose |
| 16:16.41 | Clord | (what is very stupid move by blizzard if they intended that mappers can't ban people from their maps) |
| 16:16.44 | JManV|Work | they cited cheating as a reason, but weren't more specific |
| 16:16.48 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 16:16.58 | JManV|Work | when in fact, knowing the player's name can help prevent cheating |
| 16:17.08 | JManV|Work | but it can also lead to map creator cheating |
| 16:17.30 | Shawn|Rawr | clord, how is he cheating? |
| 16:17.31 | JademusSreg | But in ther latter case, people simple won't play. |
| 16:17.56 | JManV|Work | indeed, and map creators are doing it anyways, it's just more vulnerable to other users finding it |
| 16:18.05 | JademusSreg | I have an idea. |
| 16:18.17 | Clord | he kept deckbuilder open and reseted variable |
| 16:18.25 | Clord | or like |
| 16:18.27 | Clord | changed variable |
| 16:18.30 | Clord | so it allowed spawn cards |
| 16:18.33 | Clord | while deckbuilder open |
| 16:18.44 | Shawn|Rawr | Then change all the var names to eanfgiabdigbdslihbg |
| 16:18.46 | Clord | now you can guess where that leads XD |
| 16:18.55 | Clord | he gets cards he wants |
| 16:19.00 | Clord | and wins 100% success rate |
| 16:19.39 | Shawn|Rawr | or change the var names to xiixixixixixixiixixix |
| 16:19.49 | Shawn|Rawr | make sure you make a backup copy with regualr names |
| 16:19.58 | Clord | lol no kidding |
| 16:20.08 | Clord | but rather tedious process just to prevent few cheaters like that |
| 16:20.09 | Clord | XD |
| 16:20.15 | Tobin | jijijijjjjjjiijijijijjijijijiiji |
| 16:20.28 | Shawn|Rawr | there is obfuscation programs that will do it for you |
| 16:20.38 | Shawn|Rawr | makes a backup, run program, done |
| 16:21.02 | Clord | errrm... first time I hear of such program what can be used for SCII |
| 16:21.18 | Tobin | there was a post on the forums about it |
| 16:21.33 | Shawn|Rawr | http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/map-obfuscation/ |
| 16:22.01 | Shawn|Rawr | just gotta make sure you have a backup or you're screwed |
| 16:23.30 | Clord | http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/map-obfuscation/ |
| 16:23.31 | Clord | ooh |
| 16:23.36 | Clord | lol |
| 16:23.38 | Clord | same link :) |
| 16:24.40 | egod | i found a way where you can detect his account name and kick him from your map each time he try to play it |
| 16:24.54 | Shawn|Rawr | Do tell.. |
| 16:24.58 | Shawn|Rawr | O__O |
| 16:25.39 | egod | well its based on Bank, so he can change it :P so its fail but if hes dump, it work |
| 16:26.32 | JademusSreg | Hmmmm. |
| 16:26.45 | JademusSreg | I have an idea to test. |
| 16:26.47 | Clord | I assume he is not that dumb |
| 16:27.20 | Shawn|Rawr | you should see onetwo's bank file lol |
| 16:27.32 | Shawn|Rawr | its like 777777777777777x77777777777777777t777777777777777777777d7777777777777777g77777777777777e7777777777 |
| 16:27.39 | Shawn|Rawr | Its ridiculous |
| 16:28.23 | JademusSreg | I have an idea to test, but it may not work. |
| 16:28.58 | Shawn|Rawr | Then? |
| 16:29.45 | JademusSreg | I need to find out if it is possible to detect a null text. If I can do that, it will work. |
| 16:30.32 | Shawn|Rawr | you mean like "" |
| 16:30.38 | JademusSreg | Basically. |
| 16:30.45 | Shawn|Rawr | I think so |
| 16:31.00 | Shawn|Rawr | Then again.. not sure |
| 16:35.13 | Clord | so how long variable should be |
| 16:35.16 | Clord | hmmmm |
| 16:35.20 | Clord | 256? XD |
| 16:35.25 | Clord | good luck cheating there lol |
| 16:35.30 | JademusSreg | Damn. |
| 16:40.15 | JademusSreg | Now to try an launder the text. |
| 16:40.19 | JademusSreg | *and |
| 16:40.57 | Clord | haha this obfuscation thing is great |
| 16:40.57 | Clord | XD |
| 16:42.00 | Clord | it just needs to be configured first as I don't see difference even via bat |
| 16:43.02 | Tobin | Jademus are you testing to see if you can kick a player? |
| 16:43.07 | JademusSreg | Yup. |
| 16:43.42 | JademusSreg | Except there are a few technical hurdles, so I'm testing to see how I might launder the text and return a different type. |
| 16:43.42 | Tobin | Are you retrieving players name then comparing it to 'ban list'? |
| 16:44.08 | JademusSreg | Haha, wouldn't work since the comparison would be for the object references. |
| 16:44.38 | JademusSreg | That's why I need to launder it, find an exploit to typecast it to a type that allows content comparison. |
| 16:46.06 | Tobin | Would it be possible to change every letter in a players name to a specific # then convert it to integer? |
| 16:46.48 | Tobin | A=1 B=2 C=3 and so on |
| 16:46.49 | JademusSreg | If we can push a value out of the text, this would be a lot simpler. |
| 16:48.15 | JademusSreg | Like string char 1 << textValue |
| 16:52.02 | egod | How do you remove the little BOX thing in the UI |
| 16:52.11 | egod | i cant figureit out |
| 16:52.28 | JademusSreg | Box? |
| 16:52.59 | egod | ya its like for group idk |
| 16:53.06 | egod | its a box |
| 16:53.22 | JademusSreg | I have no idea what you mean. |
| 16:53.25 | Tobin | .... |
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| 16:53.34 | egod | let me screenshot quick |
| 16:57.40 | Clord | not only this tool protect map bit better |
| 16:57.46 | Clord | it also takes away useless spaces between lines |
| 16:57.46 | Clord | XD |
| 16:58.15 | Tobin | lol |
| 16:58.22 | Tobin | did it decrease the size at all? |
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| 17:00.34 | Clord | yeah yeah |
| 17:00.52 | Clord | I just don't really know if bnet really realized I changed something |
| 17:00.55 | Clord | upload felt too fast |
| 17:02.27 | Clord | one of moderators insisted to ban him for week.. that cheater dude |
| 17:02.28 | Clord | XD |
| 17:04.49 | Clord | 371kb became 201kb |
| 17:04.52 | Clord | that is tons of wasted space lol |
| 17:05.06 | egod | how you use it |
| 17:05.14 | egod | is this complex? |
| 17:06.47 | egod | oh you have to use galaxy for using this? |
| 17:06.54 | egod | nvm |
| 17:07.44 | Clord | no need |
| 17:07.55 | Clord | just copy your map |
| 17:08.01 | Clord | edit copy of map |
| 17:08.03 | Clord | then publish it |
| 17:08.09 | Clord | GUI shows like nothing has changed |
| 17:08.11 | Clord | but it is not true |
| 17:08.16 | Clord | you can verify it via text editor :) |
| 17:08.24 | egod | hm |
| 17:08.44 | Clord | just don't change anything in GUI side otherwise your protection is gone XD |
| 17:09.01 | egod | yeah |
| 17:17.02 | Demonette | Could it be that the AnimBracketStop Actions isn't availible for modders in the data acteur editor? |
| 17:17.15 | Demonette | I hate blizzard -.- |
| 17:17.34 | Demonette | i can't even reconstruct the neural parasite acteur cause of this... |
| 17:18.24 | Demonette | or just tell me that only the german version is fucked up |
| 17:19.51 | JademusSreg | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/galaxy-scripting-and-trigger-lib/19451-input-a-script-to-capture-key-and-mouse-input/ =D Shawn also made a GUI implementation for me. |
| 17:20.16 | Ousnius | demoentte only difference between german and english editor is the language :P |
| 17:20.22 | Ousnius | demonette* |
| 17:20.26 | Ousnius | <- afk |
| 17:23.48 | Demonette | No i seen it... |
| 17:23.54 | Demonette | is named completly different... |
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| 17:32.31 | Clord | actually... localized editor is kinda stupid |
| 17:32.36 | Clord | if editor's original language is english |
| 17:32.37 | Clord | XD |
| 17:32.45 | Clord | if that translation is forced one |
| 17:34.32 | Demonette | Yeah... seems like =/ well seems like my tentacle works in no way =( |
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| 17:35.13 | Demonette | and my rouches do no suicide surfing into the enemies... |
| 17:36.44 | Demonette | except of using tentacle to drag enemies near them... |
| 17:43.29 | Demonette | So weird... |
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| 17:46.07 | Alrik | Hi *bump* |
| 17:46.08 | Alrik | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/artist-tavern/13911-alriks-workshop/?page=4#p73 |
| 17:48.06 | Tobin | Hmm any 3 people willing to help me test if my lobby fix 2v2 triggers are working properly? |
| 17:48.58 | Tobin | (US) |
| 17:49.05 | JademusSreg | Sure. |
| 17:49.53 | Tobin | Cool, anyone else? |
| 17:55.49 | Demonette | could it be that those target source caster references in effect are all broken or so? |
| 17:55.59 | JademusSreg | Much easier to chat with me here Shawn. =) |
| 17:56.11 | Tobin | Jade 1v1 does work though... |
| 17:56.25 | JademusSreg | I doubt those are broken, Demonette. |
| 17:57.47 | Demonette | okay... then why does my rouch still faceplant into those marines? an no matter what i to it doesn't works the other way around except i remove the missile? |
| 17:57.48 | JademusSreg | Tobin, if you want to keep the text color the same, the area around it needs to contrast well. |
| 17:58.04 | Tobin | Yeah i'll change it. |
| 17:58.16 | Tobin | Also i found hte problem... something simple |
| 17:58.17 | JademusSreg | But that shadow off the test makes things tough, since the shadow has about the same thickness as the characters. |
| 17:58.42 | Tobin | Is there a way to remove the shadow? |
| 17:58.45 | JademusSreg | *text |
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| 17:59.07 | Tobin | put a " * " before my text? |
| 17:59.13 | JademusSreg | I dunno. I make my own load screens and text in photoshop. |
| 17:59.31 | Shawn|Rawr | Jademus, I suppose the best way would be to have admins playing the game and ban mean players |
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| 17:59.44 | Tobin | want to make mine? |
| 17:59.47 | Tobin | jk haha |
| 17:59.51 | Shawn|Rawr | It would still have to be by banks rhoug |
| 17:59.53 | Shawn|Rawr | though* |
| 18:00.04 | JademusSreg | Shawn, yeah, but that is not an interesting or clever technical feat. =( |
| 18:00.26 | JademusSreg | I had hoped to find some way of typecasting text. |
| 18:00.39 | Shawn|Rawr | Only way is through the chat messages |
| 18:00.45 | Shawn|Rawr | Or something similar |
| 18:01.11 | Shawn|Rawr | I'll have to think about it more. There has to be a loophole somewhere |
| 18:02.07 | JademusSreg | Heh. |
| 18:02.22 | JademusSreg | I tried laundering through banks and dialog controls, but no go. |
| 18:03.42 | Shawn|Rawr | What were you saying about checking for null text earlier? |
| 18:04.07 | JademusSreg | Doesn't work. |
| 18:04.31 | Shawn|Rawr | Oh. It's easy to check for null text. |
| 18:04.39 | JademusSreg | How? |
| 18:04.44 | Shawn|Rawr | Its a condition |
| 18:04.49 | Shawn|Rawr | Text Has Been Set |
| 18:04.56 | Shawn|Rawr | Rather than comparison |
| 18:05.07 | Tobin | jade why are you against wait for key on loading screen ? It allows players to read all the info without being cut off. |
| 18:05.07 | JademusSreg | I'll check,. |
| 18:05.40 | JademusSreg | It can hold players up, and allows wait griefing / afk suckitude / is annoying. |
| 18:05.46 | Shawn|Rawr | Tobin, let me answer this way.. |
| 18:05.54 | Shawn|Rawr | 1. All your help info should be in the help panel |
| 18:06.04 | Shawn|Rawr | 2. no one wants to wait for the super slow reader |
| 18:06.23 | Shawn|Rawr | 3. The ONLY reason that wait for key is there is because they were having desync issues in beta |
| 18:06.29 | Shawn|Rawr | :) |
| 18:06.44 | Tobin | good points |
| 18:07.41 | Shawn|Rawr | goes back to desert strike |
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| 18:17.42 | Tobin | Ok, i've looked through my triggers and fixed the problem (hopefully). Will 2 people help me test again? |
| 18:18.00 | JademusSreg | Sure. |
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| 18:33.45 | JManV|Work | tacos? |
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| 18:50.49 | grim001 | ... |
| 18:51.45 | JManV|Work | i agree. |
| 18:55.07 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 18:55.10 | JademusSreg | Hi grim. |
| 18:57.51 | Ousnius | _hi_ |
| 18:58.18 | Ousnius | must...__.._resist__..._..udnerscore... |
| 18:58.26 | JademusSreg | =\ |
| 18:58.50 | Tobin | Jademus I definitely want to have you test again after i've worked out the kinks. Its good to get bold criticism and someone who tries to expose flaws. |
| 18:59.22 | JademusSreg | If I have time, sure. |
| 19:00.30 | grim001 | so I just figured out a simple process by which files could be altered before a map is tested |
| 19:00.32 | grim001 | it's quite simple |
| 19:00.41 | grim001 | I'm going to test it out |
| 19:00.42 | JademusSreg | grim: http://pastebin.com/ECkkwRPd |
| 19:01.23 | JademusSreg | I've also posted it on mapster, but thought you might appreciate it too. |
| 19:02.09 | grim001 | looks pretty cool |
| 19:02.51 | JademusSreg | Also, I did scroll back up and read your messages once I awoke. |
| 19:02.57 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 19:03.52 | grim001 | I figured out what the deal was with the disappearing UnitData last night |
| 19:04.07 | grim001 | anything named UnitData within a map's directory will randomly be deleted all the time |
| 19:04.12 | grim001 | or anything within a folder named UnitData |
| 19:04.53 | JademusSreg | Yeah. I saw that. Pretty fucked up. |
| 19:05.15 | JManV|Work | weird |
| 19:05.33 | JManV|Work | i *love* undocumented limitations |
| 19:05.35 | grim001 | So, if you wished for a very simple preprocessor that does not actually do much to change the Galaxy language, what would you wish for? |
| 19:05.42 | JManV|Work | like the underscore of doom |
| 19:05.55 | JademusSreg | scopes |
| 19:06.05 | JManV|Work | ooo... scopes are sexy |
| 19:06.08 | grim001 | I think I can handle scopes and requirements just fine |
| 19:06.12 | JademusSreg | Possibly with requirement declarations. |
| 19:06.20 | JademusSreg | Cool. |
| 19:06.30 | grim001 | after all, it's just a matter of prefixing globals, replacing them throughout the script |
| 19:06.31 | Skittles | Shawn|Rawr |
| 19:06.37 | grim001 | and for requirements, altering the order of the included files |
| 19:06.38 | JademusSreg | Yup. |
| 19:06.41 | Skittles | if it makes u feel better, that guy was wrong. |
| 19:06.45 | JManV|Work | what was i doing again? |
| 19:06.59 | grim001 | I think I can create |
| 19:07.11 | grim001 | private functions and globals as well |
| 19:07.31 | JademusSreg | I feel like scopes are the only thing missing, at the minimum end of need and desire. |
| 19:07.51 | grim001 | if I get scopes, requirements and "private" working I'd be pretty happy |
| 19:07.55 | JademusSreg | Yeah, encapsulation in general would be nice. |
| 19:08.16 | grim001 | what else would be useful without altering the language itself? |
| 19:08.30 | grim001 | oh yes... initializers |
| 19:08.37 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 19:08.46 | grim001 | making the init stuff auto-generated would be great |
| 19:09.09 | Deaod | being able to declare locals anywhere in a function would also be cool |
| 19:09.24 | JademusSreg | I agree. It's a nuisance to type and retype into the little text field there. |
| 19:09.55 | Deaod | and PLEASE, if you can catch fixed values that only have a decimal point, add a 0 to them after the point. |
| 19:10.00 | grim001 | free local declaration should be doable as well, but I wouldn't bother to scope them |
| 19:10.02 | Shawn|Rawr | skittles, what do you mean? |
| 19:10.09 | grim001 | that should be easy too |
| 19:10.10 | JademusSreg | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrCUAaEo2_4 |
| 19:10.20 | Skittles | My unit group inside a unitgroup wasn't what gave the error. |
| 19:10.35 | Shawn|Rawr | The iteration error? |
| 19:10.38 | Skittles | It was because I forgot to check the new thread flag on the action definition |
| 19:10.39 | Skittles | yeah |
| 19:10.46 | Shawn|Rawr | Oh. Weird |
| 19:10.54 | Skittles | I've used unit groups like that b4 |
| 19:11.07 | Skittles | I think. |
| 19:11.14 | Skittles | Haven't tested it yet :p |
| 19:11.18 | grim001 | so a preprocessor written in AutoIt that only needs to handle 6 little features |
| 19:11.19 | Deaod | there are some interation natives |
| 19:11.25 | JademusSreg | Yup. |
| 19:11.32 | grim001 | and that's all we needed to make galaxy not suck too badly? |
| 19:11.39 | JademusSreg | They are abominable and hideous. |
| 19:11.47 | Deaod | the bigger stuff we cant fix |
| 19:11.48 | JademusSreg | Yes, grim, I think so. |
| 19:12.28 | grim001 | this "preprocessor" isn't even really going to deserve to be called one |
| 19:12.39 | grim001 | I am merely going to read the text file line by line and make simple changes |
| 19:12.51 | grim001 | simple enough that anyone could hack in their own features as well |
| 19:13.09 | JManV|Work | how about debug defines? |
| 19:13.23 | JManV|Work | #ifndef __DEBUG__ |
| 19:13.29 | JManV|Work | some equivillent to that |
| 19:13.57 | grim001 | wouldn't it be easy to just have a debug constant somewhere in your map? |
| 19:14.17 | JManV|Work | absolutely |
| 19:14.22 | JManV|Work | but it has to be checked every time |
| 19:14.27 | JademusSreg | That's what I tell people! |
| 19:14.33 | JManV|Work | you can't actually remove that from a production environment |
| 19:15.04 | grim001 | so you want it to compile in such a way as to delete all the debug stuff if it's not used |
| 19:15.20 | JManV|Work | i think it would be useful |
| 19:15.26 | grim001 | that sounds like it could get a bit complicated, as this preprocessor isn't going to "understand" the code structure very well |
| 19:15.36 | grim001 | I'm not tokenizing anything |
| 19:15.40 | JManV|Work | fair enough |
| 19:15.42 | JManV|Work | no worries |
| 19:15.45 | Deaod | implement the debug keyword from vJass |
| 19:15.52 | JManV|Work | i just thought something like that might be useful |
| 19:16.00 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 19:16.02 | Deaod | if debug mode is on, replace debug with // |
| 19:16.08 | grim001 | that's easy |
| 19:16.48 | grim001 | a mode to minimize filesize by erasing all comments would be simple as well |
| 19:17.03 | grim001 | a very simple UI with a checkbox for debug and erase comments |
| 19:17.09 | Deaod | grim, is AutoIt able to save files and call external programs? |
| 19:17.10 | grim001 | and a text box to let you know what it's doing |
| 19:17.15 | JademusSreg | Could dump all unneeded whitespace? |
| 19:17.19 | grim001 | Deaod, AutoIt can do almost anything |
| 19:17.27 | JManV|Work | my personal debug engine is quite a bit more complicated than on/off, though |
| 19:17.36 | Deaod | well, then you dont need to work in AutoIt for your preprocessor |
| 19:17.36 | grim001 | JMan, what does yours do? |
| 19:17.38 | JManV|Work | i have debug sections, and levels of detail within those sections |
| 19:17.54 | JManV|Work | but actually |
| 19:18.06 | grim001 | Deaod, I suppose I don't need to, it might be significantly faster if it isn't written in AutoIt |
| 19:18.09 | JManV|Work | being able to turn off the whole thing in one swoop is the only element that is missing |
| 19:18.12 | grim001 | but AutoIt is a nice little simple language to use |
| 19:18.30 | JManV|Work | everything else is fine in variables |
| 19:18.51 | JManV|Work | but if i turn it off entirely, it still has to check a boolean like a million times |
| 19:19.08 | Tobin | If i set event - elapsed time, does it occur after map initialization ? |
| 19:19.13 | JManV|Work | so its not idea for production |
| 19:19.25 | Tobin | elapsed time to 0* |
| 19:19.37 | grim001 | I could save myself some work if I wrote it in a better language I guess |
| 19:19.50 | grim001 | question is which one would I prefer |
| 19:20.24 | JManV|Work | depends on the platform |
| 19:20.26 | JManV|Work | windows? |
| 19:20.43 | grim001 | well, I guess speed is the main consideration, I want this thing to execute quickly |
| 19:20.50 | JManV|Work | C++/C# is king in windows, i think |
| 19:20.56 | JademusSreg | <3 |
| 19:21.04 | grim001 | C++ it is then |
| 19:21.17 | grim001 | so the way this will work is pretty simple |
| 19:21.31 | grim001 | you'll have a /Scripts directory in your map, and a /Scripts/Compiled directory |
| 19:22.00 | grim001 | in the trigger editor, all you need is to include some file like Includes.galaxy |
| 19:22.44 | JManV|Work | sounds promising |
| 19:22.58 | grim001 | when you hit the compile button, the AutoIt program will pop up, enumerate all of your scripts and feed them into the C++ directory, place the results into the /Compiled directory |
| 19:23.13 | grim001 | I mean the C++ program |
| 19:23.36 | grim001 | the Includes file simply needs to point at the compiled versions |
| 19:24.41 | grim001 | once that's one, AutoIt will (optionally) focus the editor and force it to save to check for syntax errors, and (optionally) test the map |
| 19:24.44 | grim001 | *done |
| 19:24.50 | grim001 | something is wrong with my typing right now |
| 19:25.07 | JademusSreg | grim needs to debug. |
| 19:25.30 | Shawn|Rawr | Squarely annoys me |
| 19:25.32 | Shawn|Rawr | >.> |
| 19:25.37 | JademusSreg | Who? |
| 19:25.46 | Shawn|Rawr | The maker of Desert Strike |
| 19:25.55 | Shawn|Rawr | His map is so unrefined in everything |
| 19:25.59 | Shawn|Rawr | It needs an overhaul |
| 19:26.10 | Shawn|Rawr | he hasnt updated it in months |
| 19:26.57 | JademusSreg | Meh, it was playable and enjoyable. The very pinaclr of mediocrity. |
| 19:27.11 | JademusSreg | *pinacle |
| 19:28.40 | JademusSreg | Some things were handled well, some poorly. Blowing up the buildings at end game? Terrible decision. |
| 19:28.41 | Shawn|Rawr | Right. It is a good time sink, but it needs some fixes |
| 19:28.54 | Shawn|Rawr | Like the slow reaper is named Unit/Name/Reaper2 |
| 19:28.59 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 19:29.02 | Shawn|Rawr | Most all the units have no tooltip |
| 19:29.04 | grim001 | I can get some enthusiasm for this project because it could be working in a couple days and finished in a couple weeks |
| 19:29.14 | Shawn|Rawr | The movement is bugged in a way that affects the gameplay |
| 19:29.22 | JademusSreg | grim, yes. Near-instant gratification. |
| 19:29.51 | JademusSreg | The big near-end game battles are similarly a waste of frames. |
| 19:29.51 | Shawn|Rawr | I wonder if he'd hand the map over and let me fix some things.. |
| 19:29.52 | JManV|Work | yeah, my project might take a while... :) |
| 19:30.13 | JademusSreg | Probably not Shawn. |
| 19:30.27 | Shawn|Rawr | I don't see the harm. His map will never come off the top of that list |
| 19:30.31 | Shawn|Rawr | >.> |
| 19:30.52 | JManV|Work | i've never played it, actually |
| 19:31.03 | Shawn|Rawr | It's only good to kill time |
| 19:31.11 | JManV|Work | up until 3 weeks ago, i played like 3 custom games total |
| 19:31.17 | Shawn|Rawr | Like I'm doing, dreading what will happen when my gf gets here tomorrow |
| 19:31.24 | Shawn|Rawr | >.> |
| 19:31.27 | JManV|Work | nexus wars, phantom mode, and zealot frenzy |
| 19:32.09 | Shawn|Rawr | The good zealot frenzy? |
| 19:32.13 | JManV|Work | yeah |
| 19:32.22 | JManV|Work | i kick butt |
| 19:35.45 | JademusSreg | Silly. There is no good frenzy game. |
| 19:35.59 | Shawn|Rawr | But there are two zealot frenzies |
| 19:36.09 | Shawn|Rawr | This issue came up when Blizz featured the wrong one |
| 19:36.30 | JademusSreg | That's like asking if he rode the taco-making athiest unicorn. |
| 19:37.14 | Shawn|Rawr | Look, I don't care what he has sex with in his spare time |
| 19:37.25 | JademusSreg | HA |
| 19:38.04 | Shawn|Rawr | is ready to kill more time |
| 19:38.24 | JademusSreg | Work on your map? |
| 19:39.09 | Shawn|Rawr | Hmm.. Should I? |
| 19:39.25 | JademusSreg | Seems like a good idea to me, |
| 19:39.38 | Shawn|Rawr | The tough parts are coming up.. I have to actually make it playable by more than one person |
| 19:39.56 | JademusSreg | Cool. |
| 19:40.44 | Shawn|Rawr | I was also thinking of removing the command panel altogether and replacing it with my own so I can display what I want |
| 19:41.06 | Shawn|Rawr | Or whatever the unit info thing in the center is called |
| 19:41.44 | JademusSreg | Command card and unit info card. |
| 19:41.55 | JademusSreg | The center is the info card. |
| 19:41.57 | Shawn|Rawr | those things, yes |
| 19:42.02 | Shawn|Rawr | I want to remove them |
| 19:42.06 | JademusSreg | Okay. |
| 19:42.25 | Shawn|Rawr | Can i do that without removing the minimap? |
| 19:42.31 | JademusSreg | Pretty sure. |
| 19:42.41 | JademusSreg | I'll show you the script I use. |
| 19:44.34 | Shawn|Rawr | lol. There is a mothership in the middle of my map that does all the damage |
| 19:44.44 | Shawn|Rawr | I thought that was neat |
| 19:44.52 | JademusSreg | That is mind boggling. |
| 19:45.12 | Shawn|Rawr | What? All my damage is done via triggers |
| 19:45.29 | JademusSreg | In what sense? |
| 19:46.28 | Shawn|Rawr | Damage done by units is based on the units health and the type of terrain they are on.. I only have one type of terrain atm but i might change that |
| 19:46.48 | Shawn|Rawr | So I have to set it up in triggers rather than do it other ways |
| 19:47.10 | JademusSreg | http://pastebin.com/Aq1E3AFq |
| 19:47.23 | Shawn|Rawr | So the trigger detects the units attack, figures out how much damage that unit type should do the other unit type, and the mothership deals the damage |
| 19:47.59 | Shawn|Rawr | copy-pastes |
| 19:49.17 | JademusSreg | Replace the CameraPan's target point with wherever. |
| 19:49.53 | Shawn|Rawr | ugh.. stupid pastebin |
| 19:50.02 | Shawn|Rawr | added numbers to copy-paste |
| 19:50.11 | JademusSreg | Use the RAW paste data below it. |
| 19:50.26 | Shawn|Rawr | I know lol |
| 19:50.32 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 19:50.34 | Shawn|Rawr | I just didnt realize the first time |
| 19:51.27 | JademusSreg | I added the minimap panel exception in the frame disabler. |
| 19:52.00 | JademusSreg | The frame disabler is the second loop. |
| 19:52.08 | JademusSreg | It must run before map init. |
| 19:52.33 | JademusSreg | I hope you pasted it into a custom script and not a custom script action. =) |
| 19:53.26 | Shawn|Rawr | shh.... |
| 19:53.28 | Shawn|Rawr | :P |
| 19:53.39 | Tobin | Jademus, I fixed p3 / p4 hostility, added queue to unit spawning, and resized models (instead of actors). Could you run back your suggestions for preventing turtling to me? (I can't remember) |
| 19:53.48 | Tobin | (from the map test) |
| 19:54.05 | JManV|Work | i dunno. i think zealot frenzy is pretty good |
| 19:54.15 | JademusSreg | The reason why it must run before the map initialization event is that there are frames that are marked Blizzard-only, in that they shouldn't be able to be messed with by non-Blizzard maps, but if run before initialization, it circumvents that limit. |
| 19:54.31 | JManV|Work | there's some pretty big balance issues that they seem to refuse to acknowledge, but meh... |
| 19:55.21 | JademusSreg | Tobin, you need to remove the conflict of interest between building defenses and spawning waves, for one thing. |
| 19:55.39 | JademusSreg | They should use different resources. |
| 19:55.51 | Shawn|Rawr | What map? |
| 19:56.13 | Tobin | Warpath TD |
| 19:56.15 | JademusSreg | And the waves need to be more threatening. |
| 19:56.34 | Shawn|Rawr | Like.. Line TW or.. ? |
| 19:56.35 | JademusSreg | Because if you know you're just feeding the opponent, there is no incentive to attack. |
| 19:56.49 | Tobin | Its like nexus wars and mercy td combined' |
| 19:57.02 | Shawn|Rawr | line tower wars lol |
| 19:57.06 | Shawn|Rawr | cept not in a line |
| 19:57.20 | Tobin | The units fight each other though |
| 19:57.27 | Shawn|Rawr | Oh.. Neat! |
| 19:57.40 | Shawn|Rawr | Jademus, the minimap isnt showing up |
| 19:57.45 | JademusSreg | If you can't attack defenses, then the units need to be more formidable. You used a single tower to take out a very long wave. |
| 19:57.46 | JManV|Work | </3 attacking units |
| 19:58.06 | JademusSreg | Shawn, try disabling UISetMode(PlayerGroupAll(), c_uiModeFullscreen, c_transitionDurationImmediate); using // to comment it out. |
| 19:58.14 | JManV|Work | units that attack towers, that is |
| 19:58.16 | Tobin | Well thats more balance issue jademus, although i see your point. I'm saving that for later. |
| 19:58.25 | *** join/#sc2mapster Hjalte (~chatzilla@cpe.ge-0-2-0-835.arcnqu2.customer.tele.dk) |
| 19:58.48 | Tobin | They dont attack towers |
| 19:58.56 | JManV|Work | good. i hate that |
| 19:58.59 | Tobin | same |
| 19:59.35 | Tobin | I'm pretty much taking my favorite aspects of other custom maps and mashing them together. |
| 20:00.33 | JademusSreg | I think it is a design issue; to make people want to spawn, it needs to seem like a good option. Building invincible and near-impenetrable defenses is currently the best investment of one's time and resources. |
| 20:00.37 | Shawn|Rawr | Disabled full screen mode. Still no minimap |
| 20:01.18 | Tobin | What about when your creeps die you get 110% of their value back? |
| 20:01.22 | JademusSreg | Now, let's assume you've already divided up the resources so spawns and bu8ildings are seperate. |
| 20:01.25 | *** join/#sc2mapster Vexal_ (80539059@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.83.144.89) |
| 20:01.42 | Vexal_ | hello. |
| 20:01.47 | Shawn|Rawr | hi |
| 20:02.00 | Vexal_ | hi. |
| 20:02.11 | Shawn|Rawr | There are TWO Vexals!? |
| 20:02.18 | Vexal_ | no |
| 20:02.25 | Vexal_ | i left my computer on in my dorm |
| 20:02.26 | Tobin | Actually i can already see a flaw in that, infinite unit spawning.. |
| 20:02.34 | Vexal_ | but i signed on in the computer lab. |
| 20:02.46 | Vexal_ | i suppose i could vnc into my computer to log off but i don't feel like it. |
| 20:02.59 | Vexal_ | someone i've never met just came up to me in the lab "are you vexal??" |
| 20:03.09 | Shawn|Rawr | Hahah |
| 20:03.09 | JademusSreg | Who will want to make units if towers alone can kill the enemy? Nerf towers / buff units will change the the game such that spawning units is required to survive more than a minute. =D |
| 20:03.33 | JManV|Work | there are two me's |
| 20:03.34 | JademusSreg | Vexal, that is spooky,. |
| 20:03.49 | JManV|Work | kicks JManV in the nutz. |
| 20:03.54 | Vexal_ | it's interesting. it was a grad student, too. |
| 20:04.11 | Tobin | Ok, i'll give them all a damage nerf and boost units damage bonus (because its wimpy percentage bonus currently) |
| 20:04.20 | JManV|Work | that's what he gets! |
| 20:04.58 | Vexal_ | i have a zombie problem. |
| 20:05.27 | Tobin | How did he even know you were vexal? |
| 20:06.43 | Skittles | mm |
| 20:07.04 | Skittles | Thinking about putting my d3 map on hold to make a epic boss only map... mmm... |
| 20:07.44 | Tobin | Aww, d3 abilities were looking so bad ass too. |
| 20:07.49 | Skittles | hmm |
| 20:08.16 | Skittles | Idk, just wish I had gone a different route so I could be more creative with them. |
| 20:08.24 | Vexal_ | skittles... |
| 20:08.29 | Vexal_ | why don't you work with me |
| 20:08.33 | Skittles | But I do like the 5 diablo classes best. |
| 20:08.33 | Vexal_ | we'll definitely finish |
| 20:08.41 | Vexal_ | and we'll split credit. |
| 20:08.49 | Skittles | I dont wana work on your map though. :p |
| 20:08.54 | Vexal_ | Tobin: i put my personal info in the map loading screen |
| 20:09.01 | Vexal_ | so he probably found my facebook or something. |
| 20:09.18 | Vexal_ | but my map is awesome! |
| 20:09.30 | Vexal_ | i've tested it and i have it on good authority that i think it's awesome. |
| 20:09.38 | Skittles | lol |
| 20:09.52 | Skittles | probably found you on youtube |
| 20:09.54 | Tobin | Can't say i like the gameplay, but im in the minority. |
| 20:10.15 | Vexal_ | of my new map? |
| 20:10.29 | Tobin | Oh i meant vexal td... whats your new map? |
| 20:10.32 | Tobin | (im under a rock) |
| 20:10.38 | Skittles | Problem with my map is that I still haven't gotten a modeler, and I cant release the game without hero models. |
| 20:10.43 | Vexal_ | team hero survival |
| 20:10.49 | Vexal_ | skittles just give all your heroes invisibility |
| 20:10.55 | Vexal_ | then you don't need models. |
| 20:10.59 | Skittles | Could work. |
| 20:11.11 | Skittles | nah, that wouldn't be fun. |
| 20:11.15 | Skittles | Maybe .2 opacity |
| 20:11.21 | Skittles | tease em a bit. |
| 20:11.33 | Vexal_ | i started a new hero |
| 20:11.38 | *** join/#sc2mapster Jum-Jum (~Jum-Jum@h85-8-27-182.dynamic.se.alltele.net) |
| 20:11.38 | Vexal_ | doctor; stetmann model |
| 20:11.41 | Skittles | You only got two then? |
| 20:11.46 | Vexal_ | abilities: raise dead, raise dead 2, fear |
| 20:12.12 | Vexal_ | yeah... it takes a long time to make a hero |
| 20:12.12 | Skittles | Took me about a day to make the witch doctor. |
| 20:12.12 | Skittles | :p |
| 20:12.12 | Vexal_ | well |
| 20:12.12 | Vexal_ | i don't have the attention span to work for more than 30 minutes at a time. |
| 20:12.14 | Skittles | It was pretty lucky tho |
| 20:12.23 | Tobin | Hopefully when d3 is released theyll give us some units to work with. |
| 20:12.28 | Skittles | I also had most of it ripped from d3 |
| 20:12.30 | Vexal_ | why would they do that? |
| 20:12.39 | Skittles | He means like wow |
| 20:13.20 | Vexal_ | oh wow |
| 20:13.47 | Skittles | but after watching the 16 bosses from shadow of collosus |
| 20:13.53 | Skittles | I kinda just want to make epic bosses |
| 20:13.54 | Skittles | Xd |
| 20:14.47 | Vexal_ | see |
| 20:14.50 | Vexal_ | you're never going to finish anything. |
| 20:14.58 | JademusSreg | Skit, are gonna do the Bouty? |
| 20:15.10 | JademusSreg | *Bounty |
| 20:15.17 | Skittles | Nah. |
| 20:15.21 | wOlfLinG | So, Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood comes out on the 17th for PC. Anyone know what caused them to take 4 months to port it to PC? |
| 20:15.22 | Vexal_ | he's never going to finish anything, either. |
| 20:15.32 | JademusSreg | Skittle's Shadow of the Epic Bosses |
| 20:15.40 | Skittles | Only took 4 wolfing? |
| 20:15.49 | Skittles | Mmmm skittles |
| 20:15.54 | wOlfLinG | AC3 came out in november I think |
| 20:15.58 | Tobin | Because games are being made exclusively for console then ported to what it shouldve been made for in the first place. |
| 20:16.09 | Skittles | Age of conan? |
| 20:16.20 | wOlfLinG | I hope that it's good enough to deserve me buying it :/ |
| 20:16.24 | Vexal_ | if i were president, consoles would be illegal. |
| 20:16.29 | wOlfLinG | :D |
| 20:16.37 | Skittles | Yeah, consoles are a waste. |
| 20:16.42 | Vexal_ | they just make everything worse. |
| 20:16.46 | Vexal_ | except: |
| 20:16.49 | Skittles | 20 buck controller makes the pc have the same controls if needed. |
| 20:16.55 | Tobin | yup |
| 20:17.02 | wOlfLinG | Honestly, if they wanted to get PC gamers playing it, just remap the controls, add in some random DX11 water and release it |
| 20:17.25 | Vexal_ | exception: consoles bring some good: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBjOIjc5qn0 |
| 20:17.28 | Skittles | If they wanted me to play, they better not expect me to buy second helpings for full value. |
| 20:17.37 | wOlfLinG | Although I hope the delay means it's a good port |
| 20:17.39 | Skittles | second handed fgoods* |
| 20:17.40 | wOlfLinG | And has extra features |
| 20:18.07 | Skittles | I kinda want to check out lego universe |
| 20:18.26 | Skittles | 20 bucks, 10 goes to a months subscription, and it looks kinda neat. |
| 20:18.46 | Tobin | Thats pretty awesome vexal |
| 20:18.54 | Vexal_ | yup |
| 20:19.11 | Skittles | yeah tobin it's a digital deluxe edition |
| 20:19.49 | Skittles | It's actually quite a bit of stuff. |
| 20:20.22 | Vexal_ | wtf http://i.imgur.com/hha5R.jpg |
| 20:20.26 | Vexal_ | i'm from texas. |
| 20:20.32 | Skittles | so am i |
| 20:20.35 | Vexal_ | where |
| 20:20.48 | Skittles | lol, that was kinda funny though. :p |
| 20:20.52 | Skittles | Around Dallas. |
| 20:20.55 | Vexal_ | i'm sorry. |
| 20:21.59 | Vexal_ | skittles will you give my map another chance to pique your interest |
| 20:22.24 | Tobin | ITS A TRAP |
| 20:22.39 | Skittles | Sure. |
| 20:22.45 | Tobin | can i join in too? |
| 20:23.09 | Skittles | what were u sorry about anyway? |
| 20:23.17 | Shawn|Rawr | That you're from Dallas |
| 20:23.41 | Vexal_ | ^ |
| 20:23.41 | Skittles | im on vexal |
| 20:23.45 | Vexal_ | i'm not |
| 20:23.48 | Skittles | Lol, was wondering about that. |
| 20:23.54 | Skittles | Says your on but away |
| 20:23.56 | Vexal_ | i'm not in my room. |
| 20:23.58 | Vexal_ | yeah |
| 20:24.05 | Skittles | oh |
| 20:24.08 | Vexal_ | i meant later |
| 20:24.12 | Skittles | haha. Xd |
| 20:24.25 | Skittles | Are you from houston then? |
| 20:24.33 | Skittles | Or one of the country parts? |
| 20:24.43 | Vexal_ | austin. |
| 20:24.46 | Skittles | oh |
| 20:24.48 | Skittles | I was close. |
| 20:24.50 | Shawn|Rawr | Isn't there only one university in texas? |
| 20:24.52 | Skittles | That was only inbetween. |
| 20:24.53 | Shawn|Rawr | >.> |
| 20:25.00 | Skittles | 1 ? |
| 20:25.02 | Skittles | Lol? |
| 20:25.04 | Shawn|Rawr | lol |
| 20:25.13 | Skittles | 1 state, as all states have. :p |
| 20:25.34 | Skittles | brb |
| 20:26.53 | Vexal_ | there are bunch of UT campuses |
| 20:26.58 | Vexal_ | ut austin is the main one. |
| 20:28.02 | grim001 | includes inside of includes don't seem to work properly... |
| 20:28.03 | Skittles | back |
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| 20:30.11 | Tobin | How do you remove private channels in game? |
| 20:30.17 | Tobin | I see no option anywhere... |
| 20:32.51 | Vexal_ | you can't. |
| 20:33.12 | Tobin | That is moronic. |
| 20:33.34 | Shawn|Rawr | I would answer too, but I honestly have no idea what you mean |
| 20:33.36 | Vexal_ | there's a bug where players are stuck in channels |
| 20:33.47 | Vexal_ | the server thinks players are in channels when they aren't |
| 20:33.49 | Vexal_ | so they can't rejoin them. |
| 20:34.09 | Tobin | I can rejoin any channels, i just cant remove it from the private channel list... |
| 20:34.18 | Vexal_ | yeah |
| 20:34.20 | Vexal_ | you can't. |
| 20:34.25 | Vexal_ | they just stay there. |
| 20:34.53 | Hati | they suck you in until you are one with the channel and the channel is you |
| 20:35.00 | Shawn|Rawr | oh ya. one time i joined the desert striek channel.. its been there ever since |
| 20:35.08 | Shawn|Rawr | misspelled on purpose |
| 20:35.22 | grim001 | that's great. it turns out that you can edit MapScript.galaxy directly while a map is currently open without any issues. |
| 20:35.42 | Vexal_ | just rejoin more channels |
| 20:35.50 | Vexal_ | it keeps track of your most recent six or something |
| 20:36.06 | Tobin | oh, thats not so bad then. |
| 20:36.21 | grim001 | the only problem is that you cannot see syntax errors if you do so |
| 20:37.39 | Tobin | Well i'm out, peace. |
| 20:37.45 | Skittles | l8er |
| 20:39.51 | Vexal_ | skittles why aren't you in school? |
| 20:40.17 | Skittles | Just graduated about 2 weeks ago. |
| 20:40.21 | Vexal_ | ???? |
| 20:40.25 | Vexal_ | in the middle of a semester? |
| 20:40.41 | Skittles | My school was on trimesters |
| 20:41.17 | Vexal_ | pregnancy. |
| 20:42.28 | JManV|Work | who's school is pregnant? :P |
| 20:43.07 | Vexal_ | pregnant people have trimesters. |
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| 20:44.43 | Skittles | I think vex is trying to hit on me. |
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| 20:46.12 | Vexal_ | what |
| 20:46.17 | Vexal_ | you said trimesters |
| 20:46.24 | Vexal_ | and i've only heard the words associated with pregnancy. |
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| 20:48.32 | grim001 | hmm, it looks like editing the MapScript.galaxy while the map is active is very unreliable |
| 20:48.54 | Shawn|Rawr | You expected different? |
| 20:49.28 | Bounty | Anyone here have a really good computer? Like able to maintain a constant framerate of 60+ |
| 20:49.49 | grim001 | what's irritating is that the editor doesn't have any consistent behaviors |
| 20:50.06 | JademusSreg | Bounty, I have a nice machine. |
| 20:50.16 | Bounty | Can you help me test something real fast? |
| 20:50.21 | Bounty | doing some optimizations |
| 20:50.28 | Vexal_ | i have an asshole machine. |
| 20:50.31 | grim001 | since includes within includes don't work properly, I'll have to make the output one big file |
| 20:50.37 | Vexal_ | it called me fat and shot my cat. |
| 20:50.55 | Bounty | Would only take about a minute of your time Jade |
| 20:53.23 | JademusSreg | Alright. Just a bit. |
| 20:54.09 | JademusSreg | My connection is kind of shitty today, fair warning. |
| 20:54.15 | Bounty | np |
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| 21:05.12 | Bounty | glad u liked it Jade :) |
| 21:05.42 | JademusSreg | It has potential. |
| 21:06.14 | JademusSreg | Thematically, aesthetically, it works well. The speed has a pretty good feeling to it. |
| 21:06.20 | Bounty | yeah |
| 21:06.26 | Bounty | u like the speed up camera effect? lol |
| 21:06.30 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
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| 21:08.10 | Bounty | u think the ghetto collide system would work? |
| 21:08.14 | Bounty | with move unit instantly |
| 21:08.21 | Bounty | or should i try to learn force effects |
| 21:09.20 | JademusSreg | Learn force effects. |
| 21:09.40 | Bounty | so thats all i would need to make is a force effect? i just created a new one and it looks pretty simple |
| 21:09.42 | Bounty | not alot of options |
| 21:10.26 | JademusSreg | They apply force, which either pulls things toward it or pushes things away. |
| 21:10.37 | Vexal_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:10.39 | Bounty | does it do the direction automaticaly? |
| 21:10.43 | Vexal_ | rigid body collision response? |
| 21:10.45 | Bounty | like if im on the side of u |
| 21:10.51 | Bounty | Vehicle Collision |
| 21:11.03 | JademusSreg | The catch is that units having force applied to them get locked up, which makes it shitty for any real physics. |
| 21:11.05 | Vexal_ | collision with what |
| 21:11.14 | Bounty | other vehicles |
| 21:11.34 | Vexal_ | are you using circles to approximate |
| 21:11.36 | Vexal_ | or polygonal |
| 21:11.51 | Bounty | no idea what you just said brah |
| 21:11.57 | Bounty | =P |
| 21:12.01 | Vexal_ | are trying to make vehicles bounce off each other? |
| 21:12.06 | Bounty | kinda |
| 21:12.09 | Bounty | like if i ram into u |
| 21:12.11 | Vexal_ | are you treating them like circles |
| 21:12.17 | Bounty | i want it to send u flying depending on how fast i was going |
| 21:12.24 | Vexal_ | well |
| 21:12.27 | Vexal_ | do you know the math for it? |
| 21:12.38 | Bounty | if i did it the ghetto way yes |
| 21:12.46 | Bounty | i was going to use move unit instantly with blend |
| 21:12.55 | Bounty | and get the speed of the bumping unit |
| 21:13.01 | Vexal_ | take the vector between the two, project the relative velocity |
| 21:13.02 | Bounty | and also what direction he was travelling |
| 21:13.26 | Bounty | ok i guess i dont know the math for it |
| 21:13.34 | Vexal_ | it's not hard if you think about it |
| 21:13.38 | Vexal_ | do you have paper? |
| 21:13.44 | Vexal_ | get out some paper and something to write with. |
| 21:14.05 | Bounty | i should learn how to even makea force effect first dont u think? |
| 21:14.09 | Vexal_ | no |
| 21:14.11 | Vexal_ | this is more interesting. |
| 21:14.18 | Vexal_ | also i think force effects are clunky |
| 21:14.22 | Vexal_ | try the hybrid knock back |
| 21:14.26 | Vexal_ | it looks kind of awful. |
| 21:14.34 | Bounty | so what is your idea? |
| 21:14.44 | Bounty | like what would i would be using to cause it |
| 21:15.39 | Vexal_ | well |
| 21:15.43 | Vexal_ | i'd use triggers. |
| 21:15.47 | Skittles | meh, this spell is gonna be a pain in the ass. |
| 21:15.52 | Vexal_ | is that the spell |
| 21:15.54 | Bounty | yeah but what effect? |
| 21:15.55 | Vexal_ | "cast pain in the ass" |
| 21:15.57 | Bounty | move unit instantly? |
| 21:16.01 | Vexal_ | yeah. |
| 21:16.06 | Vexal_ | "it was very effective" |
| 21:16.06 | Bounty | yeah tahts what i was going to do lol |
| 21:16.23 | Vexal_ | if you want, you can have a search effect check collision |
| 21:16.28 | Bounty | how should i detect the collision |
| 21:16.30 | Vexal_ | and run the collision trigger when the search effect finds osmething |
| 21:16.32 | Bounty | regions? |
| 21:16.35 | Vexal_ | no |
| 21:16.43 | Vexal_ | i have to go to class. bye |
| 21:16.43 | Bounty | you can check for collision? |
| 21:16.48 | Bounty | lol |
| 21:16.51 | Vexal_ | yeah.. do a periodic search effect |
| 21:16.53 | Vexal_ | with a buff. |
| 21:16.55 | Skittles | You can make a trigger run with data? |
| 21:17.04 | Vexal_ | if you have an effect trigger |
| 21:17.07 | Skittles | oh you mean that. |
| 21:17.11 | Vexal_ | and have an event with that effect. |
| 21:17.13 | Vexal_ | aynway, i have to go. |
| 21:17.16 | Skittles | L8er. |
| 21:17.28 | Bounty | ok well |
| 21:17.36 | Bounty | who wants to teach me how to make a search effect =P |
| 21:18.11 | Bounty | thought so |
| 21:18.53 | Shawn|Rawr | Just make a new effect of the search area variety |
| 21:19.39 | Bounty | i did |
| 21:19.45 | Bounty | idk why these fields do though |
| 21:19.49 | Bounty | what* |
| 21:20.04 | Shawn|Rawr | Areas+ |
| 21:20.09 | Shawn|Rawr | Add new value, set the radius |
| 21:20.16 | Shawn|Rawr | the arc should already be 360 |
| 21:20.26 | Bounty | and just set the radius? |
| 21:20.30 | Bounty | = how big the circle is? |
| 21:20.48 | Shawn|Rawr | Radius is the distance from the center to the edge of the circle |
| 21:20.51 | Shawn|Rawr | lol |
| 21:21.03 | Bounty | yeah so thats how big the circle is |
| 21:21.16 | Shawn|Rawr | sure |
| 21:21.28 | Bounty | n thats it? |
| 21:21.30 | Shawn|Rawr | Check the unit radius for approx what you need imo |
| 21:22.18 | Bounty | thats all u gotta do? lol |
| 21:22.22 | Bounty | and itll search? |
| 21:22.25 | Shawn|Rawr | You'll need the search filter to determine what units will be affected |
| 21:22.29 | Bounty | yeah |
| 21:22.40 | Bounty | but thats all i need to put for it to constantly search? |
| 21:22.44 | Shawn|Rawr | you'll need max count just incase you are hit by multiple peoples |
| 21:22.48 | Shawn|Rawr | I think so |
| 21:22.52 | Shawn|Rawr | I've never used them |
| 21:23.11 | Bounty | i would think regions would be better |
| 21:23.15 | Bounty | for collision detection |
| 21:23.30 | Shawn|Rawr | You could also attach a region to the unit and use that, but idk which would work better |
| 21:23.31 | Bounty | bc if two vehicles get close to eachother with this search, they will both fire |
| 21:23.52 | Bounty | region would be more accurate bc just because one player enters your region doesnt mean you entered his |
| 21:24.02 | Shawn|Rawr | Yes it does |
| 21:24.24 | Bounty | grrr |
| 21:24.26 | Bounty | lol |
| 21:24.56 | Shawn|Rawr | Dialogs are good time killers |
| 21:25.07 | Shawn|Rawr | Adjust, test, repeat |
| 21:28.19 | JademusSreg | Or do a unit in radius. |
| 21:28.43 | JademusSreg | Probably better than using regions in this case. |
| 21:28.47 | Shawn|Rawr | That too. You can just use Unit Enters in Range of Unit |
| 21:28.57 | Bounty | yeah but that would still trigger for both units |
| 21:28.59 | Shawn|Rawr | Its an event |
| 21:29.19 | JademusSreg | It should trigger for both units, obviously. |
| 21:29.39 | Shawn|Rawr | It's a collision.. Both units are involved |
| 21:29.45 | Bounty | yeah but |
| 21:29.52 | Shawn|Rawr | Determining which one gets fucked up is the fun part |
| 21:29.53 | Bounty | it would trigger for both of them in the same way |
| 21:30.01 | Bounty | that they both rammed the other |
| 21:30.10 | Shawn|Rawr | Then they both get fucked up? |
| 21:30.22 | Bounty | i was gonna do that |
| 21:30.26 | Bounty | but i dont want ppl to think i was lazy |
| 21:30.27 | Bounty | lol |
| 21:31.46 | Bounty | u think that would be ok? |
| 21:32.24 | JademusSreg | I'd go the full monty and do physics calculations, and make movement position based. |
| 21:33.59 | Shawn|Rawr | Is there a way to set a variable to an image? |
| 21:34.21 | JademusSreg | Wha? |
| 21:34.45 | Shawn|Rawr | I want the units wireframe to appear in my custom info panel |
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| 21:35.44 | JademusSreg | Alright. So what's the issue? |
| 21:36.12 | *** join/#sc2mapster egod (459d8b2e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.157.139.46) |
| 21:36.19 | JademusSreg | You'll display an image in a dialog item, and you get the image path from the actor using catalog natives. |
| 21:36.32 | Shadow_Killer | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9876544/Screenshot2011-03-10%2022_35_03.jpg :D |
| 21:36.33 | Shawn|Rawr | Oh.. I was going to set them in an array |
| 21:36.42 | Shawn|Rawr | I have no idea how to do what you said |
| 21:36.54 | JademusSreg | Or you can keep a array of string paths, sure. |
| 21:37.04 | JademusSreg | Public link, Shadow. |
| 21:37.11 | Shawn|Rawr | Tell me how to do what you said |
| 21:37.25 | Shadow_Killer | What is that? |
| 21:37.43 | Shawn|Rawr | It's not in your public folder |
| 21:37.52 | JademusSreg | It's not a publiuc link. |
| 21:37.54 | Shadow_Killer | Sorry, i moved it instead of copying it. |
| 21:37.55 | Shawn|Rawr | Or you deleted it or something |
| 21:38.03 | JademusSreg | Even if it is in the public directory, it needs the correct link. |
| 21:38.11 | Shadow_Killer | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9876544/Breaking%20Rock.jpg |
| 21:38.23 | Hati | blocks! |
| 21:38.25 | Hati | minecraft |
| 21:38.26 | Hati | noaw |
| 21:38.41 | JademusSreg | Shadow, that's sweet. |
| 21:38.47 | egod | haha minecraft |
| 21:38.50 | Hati | or you can express it that way :/ |
| 21:38.52 | egod | in sc2 |
| 21:38.54 | Shadow_Killer | They were meant to be DK2 blocks. |
| 21:39.08 | JademusSreg | Dungeon Keeper rawr |
| 21:39.14 | Hati | dungeon keeper 3 is coming :o |
| 21:39.17 | Hati | in real btw |
| 21:39.32 | egod | from bullfrogs studios? :P |
| 21:39.32 | Shawn|Rawr | Jade, how do i do what you said? |
| 21:39.43 | Hati | nah some chinese programm it |
| 21:39.53 | JademusSreg | Shawn, you just need to retrieve the value from the object using catalog stuff. |
| 21:40.08 | Tobin | How do i create a 'halo' for my towers showing their range? |
| 21:40.24 | Hati | halo = the sensor tower stuff? |
| 21:40.25 | Shawn|Rawr | The image thingy in gui doesnt have that option afaik |
| 21:40.41 | JademusSreg | Don't worry about that at the moment. |
| 21:40.47 | Hati | Tobin: use splats |
| 21:40.49 | JademusSreg | Find where a unit's wireframe is defined. |
| 21:41.07 | Shawn|Rawr | got it |
| 21:41.40 | JademusSreg | Then figure out through tinkering how to get that value as a string using catalog action. Make a string variable, find the Catalog actions, and get crackin. |
| 21:41.50 | JademusSreg | Because it is a pain to explain catalog shit. |
| 21:41.52 | JademusSreg | brb |
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| 21:44.48 | Demonette | Need help with acteur missiles and tentacles -.- |
| 21:45.36 | Shadow_Killer | I have uploaded the blocks over at SC2C (and other models). http://www.sc2c.org/showthread.php?t=277 :D |
| 21:46.57 | JademusSreg | Had to change a diaper. |
| 21:47.20 | Shawn|Rawr | I have the image file as a string now |
| 21:47.43 | Demonette | mmhhh |
| 21:48.03 | Bounty | holy shit |
| 21:48.04 | JademusSreg | Now display it in a dialog. |
| 21:48.12 | Bounty | Move Unit Instantly looks smooth as fuck |
| 21:48.20 | Bounty | when u run it over and over really fast |
| 21:48.20 | Bounty | lol |
| 21:49.03 | Shawn|Rawr | I still don't see how to use the string inside the Create Dialog Item thingy |
| 21:49.06 | Demonette | Why the hell does my rouch shoots itself? |
| 21:49.18 | Demonette | It did on the impact =( |
| 21:49.19 | Tobin | I have no clue how to create that effect with splats, is there a tutorial somewhere perhaps? (if so, i can't find it) |
| 21:49.21 | JademusSreg | Naw, not in create dialog item. |
| 21:49.35 | JademusSreg | But when you adding an image property, you'll need a string. |
| 21:50.50 | Demonette | is it a flag or similar somewhere? =/ |
| 21:51.13 | JademusSreg | Demonette, wha? |
| 21:51.22 | JademusSreg | Do you have a screenshot of this? |
| 21:51.30 | Demonette | of my rouch? |
| 21:51.39 | JademusSreg | Of this strange behavior. |
| 21:52.24 | Demonette | Uhm... i could try to make some screens... but not sure if ingame screens will help a lot |
| 21:52.44 | Demonette | it an ability on the rouch that exists out of 3 effects |
| 21:52.47 | JademusSreg | I don't quite understand the problem. |
| 21:52.54 | grim001 | Awesome, I've already got an AutoIt script that enumerates the files in a folder and appends them into an Output.galaxy in the map directory |
| 21:53.02 | Demonette | launch missile // persistent // force |
| 21:53.06 | JademusSreg | Sweet grim. |
| 21:53.27 | Demonette | and i want the rouch to shoot an tentacle on the target and drags it to the rouch |
| 21:53.47 | grim001 | Now I just need to add some way to control the order that they are appended in |
| 21:54.52 | Demonette | if i disable the missile effect and let the ability only cast an persistent on the target (with periodic force effect) then everything works (except of the fact that there are no tentacles and no delay between cast and impact) |
| 21:55.24 | Demonette | with the launch missile effect the rouch just hops onto the target and explodes on the impact |
| 21:55.34 | JademusSreg | That is hilarious. |
| 21:55.57 | JademusSreg | So what is the missile unit?? |
| 21:56.04 | Demonette | (none) |
| 21:56.13 | JademusSreg | You might want to set that to a unit. |
| 21:56.19 | grim001 | the easiest way to handle this is to expect that requirements will be listed on the very first line of the file |
| 21:56.36 | grim001 | so what shall be the syntax |
| 21:56.37 | Demonette | okay... i will set it to a zergling... |
| 21:57.03 | egod | First multiplayer video of my map -------------------->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eI6oQBZX7-Y thx for sixen for his participation :) |
| 21:57.09 | Demonette | but all in all i really donÄt want a missile... |
| 21:57.22 | Demonette | as i want only a tentacle =/ |
| 21:57.29 | JademusSreg | Use an invisible missile unit. |
| 21:57.57 | Demonette | Awesome! |
| 21:57.58 | Demonette | XD |
| 21:58.05 | Demonette | thats the best zergling eva =D |
| 21:58.17 | JademusSreg | egod, those dialog buttons at the beginning were a bit buggy. |
| 21:58.27 | Demonette | he hops on the marines and walks around them while dragging them closer XD |
| 21:58.29 | grim001 | I will look for "requires" at the beginning of the first line for now |
| 21:58.37 | Demonette | thx JademusSreg |
| 21:58.42 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 21:59.17 | Shawn|Rawr | Still completely lost as to what to do witht the string lol |
| 21:59.36 | JademusSreg | Shawn, are you familiar with how images are created in dialogs? |
| 22:00.17 | JademusSreg | Anyway, map looks pretty cool. I cringe at the choice of enemies, of course. |
| 22:00.21 | Shawn|Rawr | i know how to use create dialog item and display screen image. that is it |
| 22:02.19 | JademusSreg | DialogSetImage (int dialog, string image); DialogControlSetPropertyAsString (int control,c_triggerControlPropertyImage, playergroup players, string value); |
| 22:02.36 | JademusSreg | Those are two ways to do it in dialogs with galaxy. |
| 22:03.06 | JademusSreg | Basically, you can set the entire dialog to show an image, or a specific control item using set item property. |
| 22:03.49 | JademusSreg | There's also the c_triggerControlPropertyHoverImage property if you like that stuff. |
| 22:04.51 | Demonette | all fine now... only still no tentacle... |
| 22:05.15 | JademusSreg | Demonette, have you looked at how the infestor tentacle works? |
| 22:05.22 | grim001 | Jademus, do you think I should make the library system any more elaborate than vJASS's was |
| 22:05.34 | Demonette | i copied it from the infestor tentacle acteur... |
| 22:05.47 | JademusSreg | No, I do not, as I didn't have need for anything more elaborate. |
| 22:06.04 | Demonette | i tried other attachmentpoints... as the rouch doesn't seem to have a weapon 1 smooth attachment |
| 22:06.09 | JademusSreg | Demonette, did you change the relevant tokens and references? |
| 22:06.52 | JademusSreg | When you get stuck, checking the link tree in the bottom left can be informative. |
| 22:07.03 | JademusSreg | Right click, Explain Link |
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| 22:07.14 | JademusSreg | Then it will display the field and values that account for the link. |
| 22:07.14 | Demonette | i know... i thought i modified everything to fit =/ |
| 22:08.00 | Sixen | =) |
| 22:08.06 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 22:08.31 | Demonette | *sigh* |
| 22:08.56 | Demonette | no one made a tutorial for such stuff so far or? |
| 22:09.13 | Skittles | oh god now im applying for wendy's |
| 22:09.15 | Skittles | what's wrong with me. |
| 22:14.27 | Bounty | i really should have focused more in math class |
| 22:14.28 | JademusSreg | Sixen, I wrote a neat script. |
| 22:14.32 | Bounty | i cant get the math right on this collision |
| 22:14.33 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:14.50 | JademusSreg | I only wish the site had a code highlight setting for galaxy. |
| 22:15.55 | JademusSreg | Damn my poor response time! |
| 22:17.01 | Bounty | i think im just gonna do the wall collision for now |
| 22:17.04 | Shawn|Rawr | Hmm.. It's not allowing me to use a variable inside the code. I think I'll save you more frustration and try an array.. >.> |
| 22:17.45 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 22:18.36 | Shawn|Rawr | Do you feel popular when you are bombarded by 5 questions at the same time? |
| 22:18.50 | JademusSreg | Hwaht? |
| 22:19.01 | Bounty | i was popular when Doodad hunt was on page 1 |
| 22:19.04 | Bounty | i felt like sh*t |
| 22:19.06 | Bounty | so annoying |
| 22:19.12 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:19.19 | Shawn|Rawr | this does not work:: libNtve_gf_CreateDialogItemImage(gv_unitInfoDialog, 200, 200, c_anchorTopLeft, 50, 50, StringExternal("Param/Value/75396D09"), string gv_unitImage, c_triggerImageTypeNormal, true, Color(100,100,100), c_triggerBlendModeNormal); |
| 22:19.29 | Shawn|Rawr | :) |
| 22:19.31 | Bounty | Some people feel "popular" others like me feel like "Leave meh alonez!" |
| 22:19.54 | Bounty | Doodad Hunt taught me how celebtrities must feel |
| 22:20.05 | Bounty | i couldnt handle getting 5 PM's from ppl talkign about it |
| 22:20.12 | Bounty | imagine handling 500 ppl trying to take ur picture |
| 22:20.14 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:20.56 | JademusSreg | Remember to show the dialog and dialog item? Also, to what does "Param/Value/75396D09" correspond? |
| 22:21.51 | Shawn|Rawr | It shows a blue square, so showing it is not the problem |
| 22:22.13 | Shawn|Rawr | I think that is the tooltip |
| 22:23.13 | Shawn|Rawr | Yes, the param thing is the tooltip that i did not change from "" |
| 22:29.01 | Bounty | man |
| 22:29.04 | Bounty | i hate songs like this |
| 22:29.04 | Bounty | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kVYp-2Ynec&feature=related |
| 22:29.10 | Bounty | its so fucking good until the words kick in |
| 22:29.12 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:29.29 | Bounty | ppl need to stfu >< |
| 22:29.55 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 22:29.55 | Demonette | can i prevent missiles somehow from dieing? |
| 22:30.03 | Bounty | btw |
| 22:30.03 | Bounty | Jade |
| 22:30.07 | Bounty | how does this sound for hit collision |
| 22:30.23 | JademusSreg | Demonette, a missile needs to die eventually. =) |
| 22:30.24 | Bounty | it detects the facing differances between the two colliding vehicles and moves you according to that |
| 22:30.37 | JademusSreg | Otherwise they'd pile up and crash your map. |
| 22:30.50 | JademusSreg | Bounty, sounds like a start. |
| 22:31.12 | Bounty | and the speed of how fast your moved is determined byt he speed of the person who hit u |
| 22:31.46 | JademusSreg | Sounds like you're independently discoering kinetics. |
| 22:31.58 | Shawn|Rawr | There is no way this is working.. :) |
| 22:32.08 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 22:32.22 | Demonette | Yeah... but i think as i found out i can shoot unit around if i don't set a missile its better then using an force effect... as it affects only one single unit |
| 22:32.53 | Demonette | would be cool if the marines are dragged to the rouch also over gaps or buildings =P |
| 22:33.04 | Bounty | Jademussreg |
| 22:33.06 | Bounty | for example |
| 22:33.08 | Bounty | heres a condition |
| 22:33.13 | Bounty | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:33.18 | Bounty | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:33.23 | Bounty | right? |
| 22:36.46 | JademusSreg | I don't really understand that. |
| 22:36.53 | Bounty | like if i hit u |
| 22:37.02 | Bounty | and to me your at a 45 degree angle facing left |
| 22:37.05 | Bounty | that would trigger |
| 22:37.10 | Demonette | me or bounty? |
| 22:37.36 | JademusSreg | Bounty. =) |
| 22:37.42 | Demonette | Oh well =D |
| 22:37.46 | Bounty | yes? |
| 22:38.18 | JademusSreg | Well, both, but I understood Bounty's less. |
| 22:39.00 | JademusSreg | I think to make it look good, you need a thorough calculation of the physics involved, Bounty. |
| 22:39.17 | Bounty | what else needs to be calculated but speed an facing ? |
| 22:39.50 | Demonette | thx =D Mmmhh... still don't know how to let those marines survive there flight |
| 22:39.52 | JademusSreg | A light tap should have an effect, and so should T-boning someone. |
| 22:40.02 | Bounty | yeah thats what im doing lol |
| 22:40.08 | Bounty | based on speed |
| 22:40.17 | JademusSreg | Alright. Then I understand even less. |
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| 22:43.21 | JademusSreg | Sixen. =D |
| 22:43.25 | JManV | i don't even have a map yet, and i think a lot of ppl know me by name |
| 22:43.31 | Sixen | Heyo |
| 22:43.33 | JManV | doh |
| 22:43.39 | JManV | was reading old test |
| 22:43.41 | JManV | text |
| 22:43.45 | JademusSreg | Does mapster have a code highlight setting for galaxy? |
| 22:44.07 | Sixen | Yeah, should be <<code galaxy>> |
| 22:44.11 | Sixen | <</code>> |
| 22:44.19 | Demonette | Okay... the "missiles" survives now |
| 22:44.19 | JademusSreg | Cool, I'll try it. |
| 22:44.25 | JademusSreg | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/galaxy-scripting-and-trigger-lib/19451-input-a-script-to-capture-key-and-mouse-input/ |
| 22:44.25 | Demonette | but... |
| 22:44.29 | Demonette | they stuck XD |
| 22:45.04 | Bounty | Jade |
| 22:45.12 | Bounty | i wanna make the person u hit spin to |
| 22:45.15 | Bounty | u think thats to much? |
| 22:45.15 | Bounty | lol |
| 22:45.29 | Sixen | oh nice Jade |
| 22:45.34 | JademusSreg | I wrote this last night, got some feedback. Motive was helpful it getting me to try constants as array limits again, |
| 22:46.08 | JademusSreg | Bounty, sounds cool, I'm not sure how you'll swing that. |
| 22:46.22 | Bounty | easy :) |
| 22:47.02 | Demonette | I hoped they could become normal again =/ |
| 22:47.12 | JademusSreg | I suppose you could get the angle between the units and use that to determine the impact motion relative to the impacted unit's velocity. |
| 22:47.14 | Demonette | wasn't there an arena or similar that did something similar? |
| 22:47.34 | Bounty | i can do it just with those conditions jade |
| 22:47.46 | Bounty | those conditions tell me How i hit u |
| 22:47.55 | Bounty | like did i hitu from the side |
| 22:47.58 | Shawn|Rawr | What do I put for the Entry in the catalog thing |
| 22:47.59 | Bounty | was i facing straight? |
| 22:48.02 | Bounty | etc |
| 22:49.13 | JademusSreg | Entry is the object. |
| 22:50.03 | Clord | some of my beta times maps are stubborn with teams lol |
| 22:51.15 | JademusSreg | For instance, you could put the unit type into entry if you're trying to get catalog data on a unit. |
| 22:51.41 | Shawn|Rawr | Its saying it cant get text from CUnit_Description |
| 22:52.01 | JademusSreg | Yeah, anywhere you see CUnit_ ignore it. |
| 22:52.07 | JademusSreg | It's wrong. |
| 22:52.49 | Shawn|Rawr | Huh. someone told me it needed to be there |
| 22:52.50 | Shawn|Rawr | >.> |
| 22:52.54 | JademusSreg | =\ |
| 22:52.55 | Shawn|Rawr | oh well, it works, thanks |
| 22:52.58 | JademusSreg | Hahba |
| 22:53.01 | JademusSreg | Cool. |
| 22:53.27 | Shawn|Rawr | Now if only the Image part would allow me to lookup the wireframe, I'd be set |
| 22:53.40 | Shawn|Rawr | Or you know.. do anything other than select a specific file |
| 22:54.27 | JademusSreg | I think Starcraft 3 will replace the unit wireframe with holographic projections. |
| 22:55.13 | Sixen | lol |
| 22:55.23 | JManV | yeah, well trying to get the actor for a unit via catalogs |
| 22:55.34 | JManV | or the actor for a unit type, period. |
| 22:55.42 | JademusSreg | I'm sure you could do it if you force feed it the string path via custom script option. |
| 22:56.20 | Demonette | i still want energy wireframes on units -.- |
| 22:56.20 | Shawn|Rawr | I thought I tried custom script? |
| 22:56.28 | Demonette | and transportation status wireframes... |
| 22:56.34 | JademusSreg | GUI is an insult to modders precisely because of the arbitrary limits it imposes for "convenience". |
| 22:56.45 | JademusSreg | Galaxy used to have pointers, but now it doesn't. =( |
| 22:56.47 | Demonette | 1 yellow sack on my overlord for each zergling loaded in! |
| 22:57.33 | Deaod | does GUI even allow constant globals? |
| 22:57.46 | JademusSreg | It calls them Presets, I think. I'm not sure. |
| 22:57.54 | Deaod | i know it doesnt allow using constant globals for array sizes |
| 22:58.19 | Deaod | which is kind of stupid. |
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| 22:58.45 | JManV | hmmm. i can't really get the bounds of a unit, can i ? |
| 22:59.06 | JManV | like i can get his position, but i want his max and min x and ys |
| 22:59.08 | JademusSreg | GUI doesn't allow the creation of triggers at runtime either, haha. |
| 22:59.29 | Deaod | what? |
| 22:59.38 | Deaod | thats ... arbitrary. |
| 23:01.03 | JManV | hmmm. how can i allow a user to specify an arbitrary rectangular bounds in-game? |
| 23:01.11 | JManV | bounds=region |
| 23:01.38 | JademusSreg | You could have them click to set the upper and lower bounds. |
| 23:01.39 | JManV | i have my building designer, i need to be able to specify the visibility region |
| 23:01.51 | JademusSreg | Oh. |
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| 23:02.00 | JManV | i'd need a lot of UI to do that |
| 23:02.15 | JademusSreg | What is the problem? |
| 23:02.38 | JManV | part of a building definition is its visibility region |
| 23:02.45 | JademusSreg | If you want to set map bounds at runtime, that's easy, same for camera bounds. |
| 23:03.32 | JManV | you were closer with the click for upper and lower bounds |
| 23:03.40 | Shawn|Rawr | Jman, you could use a series of triggers that collect mouse click position and then use those points create a region |
| 23:03.46 | JManV | actually that would work well, but it sounds like a lot of work |
| 23:03.46 | Shawn|Rawr | then set visibility in that region |
| 23:03.55 | Shawn|Rawr | Not really.. want me to work on it? |
| 23:04.17 | JManV | i also need it to be accurate |
| 23:04.19 | JademusSreg | You could use scale sliders for dimension. |
| 23:04.43 | JManV | well, not accurate so much as it can probably round to the nearest whole |
| 23:05.01 | Shawn|Rawr | With mouse click, it would be exactly where they click |
| 23:05.11 | Shawn|Rawr | Or you can do a dialog control system |
| 23:05.15 | JManV | yeah, i want it to round |
| 23:05.28 | JManV | i want 0.5 to be the minimum increment |
| 23:05.33 | JManV | or 1 |
| 23:05.37 | JManV | not sure which yet |
| 23:06.00 | JManV | actually 1. 0.5 would cut off objects |
| 23:06.02 | Shawn|Rawr | runs off to tangent |
| 23:06.29 | JManV | i guess that could work |
| 23:06.45 | JManV | i'm trying to decide if its better than placing marker objects on the map |
| 23:07.05 | JManV | will the mouse click give me the point on the map? |
| 23:07.17 | Shawn|Rawr | Yes |
| 23:07.19 | Clord | oh well... my solution for structures belonging to wrong teams in wrong places is nice simple.... change structure ownerships via triggers so they are right :) |
| 23:07.29 | Shawn|Rawr | I could also place a unit there for visual reference |
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| 23:07.56 | JManV | well, that's actually the only problem with marker objects |
| 23:08.10 | JManV | either they will block other objects or be blocked by other objects |
| 23:08.56 | JademusSreg | Jman, I could write a new WASD for you in the near future. |
| 23:09.11 | JManV | i thought you already did? :P |
| 23:09.16 | deathtorn | Hello! |
| 23:09.19 | JademusSreg | -new- |
| 23:09.28 | JManV | for why? |
| 23:09.33 | JManV | you need a project, man :P |
| 23:09.34 | JademusSreg | Depends on whether or not you'd want to use the new Input script. |
| 23:09.42 | JademusSreg | I have projects. =D |
| 23:10.05 | JademusSreg | I'm working on my third person stuff. |
| 23:10.44 | JManV | how will the new script help? |
| 23:11.05 | JademusSreg | It just bugs me that you might be using a script I wrote when I could make a more efficient implementation. But to be fair, what you have is probably perfectly suited to your needs. |
| 23:11.15 | JManV | heh |
| 23:11.30 | JManV | anyways, WASD is pretty low-priority for me right now |
| 23:11.51 | JademusSreg | It's probably just Tim Taylor Syndrome. =) |
| 23:12.04 | JManV | yeah i get that |
| 23:12.13 | JManV | good enough is good enough |
| 23:12.40 | JManV | almost always :P |
| 23:12.45 | Bounty | wow |
| 23:12.57 | Bounty | i love how my collision just fucking stopped working completely out of nowhere |
| 23:12.59 | Bounty | lol |
| 23:13.21 | Demonette | okay... how can i "un-missle" an unit again? XD |
| 23:13.38 | Demonette | i a little sad that all those marines stuck |
| 23:13.40 | Demonette | ... |
| 23:14.36 | JademusSreg | Curious, does the target need to be visibly dragged or are you making it walk? |
| 23:15.03 | Demonette | visible dragged... |
| 23:15.08 | Demonette | at the moment it's a jump |
| 23:15.09 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 23:15.12 | Demonette | what is very nice i guess =D |
| 23:15.18 | JademusSreg | Cool. |
| 23:15.35 | Demonette | but the unit should be able to move after its arrives at the caster =P |
| 23:15.44 | Demonette | or well do any kind of stuff |
| 23:15.56 | JManV | i'm super excited that bnet users of my map can save virtually unlimited buildings |
| 23:16.00 | Demonette | i think i will work on the visible tentacles later... |
| 23:16.21 | JademusSreg | Cool. |
| 23:17.03 | Demonette | save? unlimited buildings? |
| 23:17.10 | JManV | i saved an enormous buildings 20 times and loaded them successfully |
| 23:17.22 | JManV | i created a building designer for my map |
| 23:17.29 | Demonette | Okay... |
| 23:17.36 | JManV | builds are created dynamically, so i can't just lay them out on my map |
| 23:18.00 | JManV | but i created a map that generates a script for how to create the building |
| 23:18.14 | JManV | it also banks, because you can't reload the script really |
| 23:18.24 | grim001 | best free c++ compiler? |
| 23:18.39 | JManV | gcc? |
| 23:19.14 | JManV | i'm aware that 1 player offline has infinite banking potential |
| 23:19.29 | JManV | 1 player bnet also has at least really really high banking potential |
| 23:19.39 | JManV | 300k was no problem for it |
| 23:19.48 | JManV | took like 10 seconds more to load, that was it |
| 23:20.08 | Demonette | I want to unmissile my units =( |
| 23:20.44 | Clord | Rodrigo manages again motivate people with "if you implement your map you waste your time" |
| 23:20.45 | Clord | XD |
| 23:20.51 | JManV | 300k is a *really* large bank file |
| 23:21.02 | Clord | and not even mention upcoming 1.3.0 |
| 23:21.03 | Clord | lol |
| 23:21.15 | JademusSreg | What's that Clord? Sounds like madness. |
| 23:21.37 | Shawn|Rawr | Rodrigo? No.... |
| 23:21.41 | Clord | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/general/general-chat/19444-looking-for-a-pro-map-maker/#p20 |
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| 23:21.43 | Clord | look comment 20 XD |
| 23:21.43 | tordy | no problemo |
| 23:22.17 | JademusSreg | Man, that guy is a prick. |
| 23:22.41 | Clord | yeah |
| 23:22.49 | Clord | do he even realize what upcoming changes are? |
| 23:22.55 | Clord | that guy if he starts to work with map now |
| 23:23.00 | Clord | it is good oppoturnity |
| 23:23.19 | Zoxc | grim001: g++ or clang, why? =P |
| 23:23.53 | Zoxc | grim001: also what do you mean by best? |
| 23:24.08 | Zoxc | grim001: also what do you mean by free? =P |
| 23:24.27 | Zoxc | grim001: also join #wc3c |
| 23:24.43 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 23:25.18 | JademusSreg | I reported Rodrigo's post. |
| 23:25.39 | Clord | lol that is bit harsh |
| 23:25.54 | JademusSreg | His unrelenting cynicism is a bit harsh. |
| 23:25.57 | Demonette | Mmhh |
| 23:26.10 | Clord | lol |
| 23:26.14 | JademusSreg | Mod or get off the toilet. |
| 23:26.14 | JManV | he's a disgrace |
| 23:26.27 | Clord | who bets without any bet that rodrigo will whine even after 1.3.0 is implemented to all SCII realms? |
| 23:26.48 | JManV | he'll just get booted from bnet forums if he does |
| 23:26.51 | JademusSreg | I'll not bet against that. |
| 23:26.55 | JManV | because he can't control himself |
| 23:27.06 | Clord | yeah |
| 23:27.11 | Clord | then when his map is again recgonized more |
| 23:27.14 | Clord | he probably gonna whine |
| 23:27.17 | Clord | that it happens too slowly |
| 23:27.18 | Clord | XD |
| 23:27.39 | Clord | this reminds me |
| 23:27.46 | Clord | almost nobody in europe is even aware of 1.3.0 changes |
| 23:27.47 | Clord | lol |
| 23:27.47 | JManV | he came in here and asked us to bump his iCup post on bnet forums, then left immediately the other day |
| 23:27.55 | Sixen | lol |
| 23:28.02 | Sixen | did 1.3 go live yet? |
| 23:28.02 | JManV | at least two of us disliked it as a result |
| 23:28.09 | Clord | not yet gone live |
| 23:28.13 | Sixen | ik |
| 23:28.21 | Clord | but europeans not pay attention of game's upcoming changes |
| 23:29.17 | Shawn|Rawr | Sixen, I vote rorigo gets banned |
| 23:29.22 | Shawn|Rawr | rodrigo* |
| 23:29.28 | JManV | ditto |
| 23:29.31 | Shawn|Rawr | The only reason he comes in here is to post link |
| 23:29.40 | JManV | but i have no specific reason, so you probably shouldn't do it |
| 23:29.52 | JManV | i just don't like him |
| 23:29.57 | Shawn|Rawr | No one does. |
| 23:30.16 | JademusSreg | I don't think Rodrigo is that bad. I think he can have as poor an attitude as he wants, but it's not his place to piss on the efforts of others. |
| 23:30.18 | JManV | he's a fissure on the ass of our community |
| 23:30.36 | JademusSreg | (For reference, that's Sir Piss A Lot.) |
| 23:30.55 | Clord | okay let's be bit more realistic.. tons of europeans know about 1.3.0 patch....... and many will realize it at least when they get damn update window |
| 23:31.02 | Sixen | =X |
| 23:31.10 | Shawn|Rawr | Jman, I have it set up so that you click to set the top-left, then click to set the bottom-right, then it creates the region and sets vision |
| 23:31.34 | Shawn|Rawr | Good? |
| 23:31.37 | JademusSreg | Cool, shawn. |
| 23:31.40 | JManV | sure |
| 23:31.47 | JManV | i hadn't even started yet :P |
| 23:32.04 | Shawn|Rawr | I'll upload and link it |
| 23:32.57 | Clord | Rodrigo is like some bosses around the world |
| 23:33.26 | Clord | lol |
| 23:33.54 | Clord | I mean in sense that |
| 23:34.02 | Clord | if he got underlings and some boss job |
| 23:34.08 | Clord | he probably would keep blaming his workers |
| 23:34.11 | Clord | of their performance |
| 23:34.52 | Shawn|Rawr | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/21183610/jmanvision.SC2Map |
| 23:34.52 | JManV | can't possibily be bad initiative on his part... |
| 23:35.30 | Clord | ah the ideal boss |
| 23:35.31 | JManV | *initiatives |
| 23:35.36 | Clord | everyone else is wrong |
| 23:35.38 | Clord | and itself is right XD |
| 23:35.52 | Shawn|Rawr | fun note: if you have a mouse click event turn on another trigger with mouse click event, the second event will fire with the same click |
| 23:36.07 | Clord | jmanvision.. x-ray? ^^ |
| 23:36.09 | JManV | that's should be the new 3d: JManVision |
| 23:36.11 | JManV | hehe |
| 23:36.27 | JManV | it's so 3D... it's 5D!!!! |
| 23:37.11 | JademusSreg | Cool, but the more of those triggers you have, the more network traffic you generate. |
| 23:37.11 | Shawn|Rawr | That was an interesting tangent |
| 23:37.23 | Shawn|Rawr | Pfft... |
| 23:37.30 | Shawn|Rawr | Jade has his triggers running constantly |
| 23:37.57 | JManV | it doesn't like it if your first click isn't above and to the left of the second click :P |
| 23:38.16 | Shawn|Rawr | Well then the dumbasses should learn how to read |
| 23:38.20 | JademusSreg | Disabling them doesn't effect the net traffic, in my experience. |
| 23:38.55 | Shawn|Rawr | Make it bold and huge.. *TOP LEFT* |
| 23:39.20 | JManV | i named the folder i put it in "JManVision" |
| 23:39.26 | JademusSreg | Which is why it is desirable to use as few input event triggers as possible. Which is why I made the Input script. =) |
| 23:39.38 | JManV | shawn: or i could take the min x and min y between the two points |
| 23:39.45 | JManV | and the same for the max |
| 23:39.48 | Shawn|Rawr | Then you do it!! |
| 23:39.51 | Shawn|Rawr | >.> |
| 23:39.53 | Shawn|Rawr | P |
| 23:39.54 | JManV | i'm on it |
| 23:39.55 | Shawn|Rawr | :P |
| 23:40.01 | JademusSreg | Wakka wakka |
| 23:40.57 | Shawn|Rawr | Then you can change the text messages to explain that you can actually click any corners as long as they are diagonals |
| 23:41.15 | JManV | nah |
| 23:41.35 | JManV | less confusing to just say top left |
| 23:41.44 | JManV | even though its not technically required |
| 23:42.03 | JManV | plus fuck em |
| 23:42.19 | Shawn|Rawr | That's the spirit! |
| 23:42.29 | JademusSreg | YES. |
| 23:44.01 | Shawn|Rawr | I reported rodrigos post |
| 23:44.02 | JManV | hmmm. didn't work when i moved it |
| 23:44.30 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 23:44.33 | Shawn|Rawr | Report Reason:: Completely unhelpful, demotivational, and overall he's a jackass |
| 23:44.43 | JademusSreg | Sounds about right. |
| 23:44.54 | JademusSreg | What didn't move? |
| 23:45.08 | JManV | why are you calling triggers, shawn? |
| 23:45.14 | Shawn|Rawr | BECAUSE I CAN |
| 23:45.27 | JManV | you can also call action definitons |
| 23:45.38 | Shawn|Rawr | That took me what.. 10 minutes? give me a break |
| 23:45.45 | JManV | nonono |
| 23:45.51 | JManV | i sincerely appreciate it |
| 23:45.52 | Shawn|Rawr | It's not like you need anything complicated |
| 23:45.54 | JManV | this is awesome |
| 23:45.55 | JademusSreg | Shawn doesn't know. He hasn't slept in 3 days. |
| 23:46.01 | Shawn|Rawr | :) |
| 23:46.05 | Shawn|Rawr | That too |
| 23:46.08 | Shawn|Rawr | Damn girlfriend |
| 23:46.12 | JManV | i just wanted to make sure you don't always right code like that |
| 23:46.17 | Shawn|Rawr | I should burn her prom drress |
| 23:46.18 | JManV | cuz that's hinky |
| 23:46.36 | Shawn|Rawr | Oh.. maybe |
| 23:46.40 | Shawn|Rawr | I don't remember |
| 23:47.06 | JManV | really you shouldn't call trigger - run unless there's a really good reason |
| 23:47.14 | JManV | you should be using action definitions |
| 23:47.37 | Shawn|Rawr | Hmm.. So my 10 triggers should be 10 ACTIONS |
| 23:47.46 | Shawn|Rawr | Probably. |
| 23:47.50 | Shawn|Rawr | >.> |
| 23:47.50 | JManV | unless there's an actual event |
| 23:47.56 | JManV | or its a callback from a screen button |
| 23:48.01 | Shawn|Rawr | I've never used those things |
| 23:48.06 | JManV | or there's some other profound reason for it to be a trigger |
| 23:48.19 | JManV | not positive, but i think triggers come with some overhead |
| 23:48.31 | JManV | also, it's a weird model when everything is a trigger |
| 23:48.39 | JManV | you can't tell what's actually a trigger right away |
| 23:48.47 | Shawn|Rawr | Everything IS a trigger |
| 23:48.59 | Shawn|Rawr | O__O |
| 23:49.04 | JManV | you can't tell which ones actually ahve events |
| 23:49.05 | JademusSreg | Haha |
| 23:49.13 | JManV | unless you look in them |
| 23:49.18 | Shawn|Rawr | Oh.. all the ones in my TBS has events |
| 23:49.21 | Shawn|Rawr | So I'm fine |
| 23:49.25 | JManV | ok cool |
| 23:49.33 | JManV | just making sure |
| 23:49.55 | JManV | if someone saw noticed a bad habit i was doing, i'd like to know about it |
| 23:49.59 | Shawn|Rawr | ok i lied. there is one that has no event |
| 23:50.01 | JManV | most of them i learn the hard way |
| 23:50.38 | JManV | i've made just about every mistake there is to be made in programming |
| 23:50.48 | Shawn|Rawr | Is there anything i need to know about creating action definitions? |
| 23:51.01 | JManV | have you used functions at all shawn? |
| 23:51.05 | Shawn|Rawr | No |
| 23:51.06 | Shawn|Rawr | Never |
| 23:51.10 | JManV | oooo |
| 23:51.13 | Shawn|Rawr | lol |
| 23:51.20 | JManV | ok |
| 23:51.30 | *** join/#sc2mapster MrOp (~MrOp@76.76.73.7) |
| 23:51.44 | JManV | an action definition is like a trigger with no event |
| 23:51.44 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 23:51.47 | JManV | it's just a list of things to do |
| 23:51.50 | MrOp | hi |
| 23:52.03 | JademusSreg | Hi. |
| 23:53.27 | JManV | so they're good for breaking up code, especially if it might be run more than once and/or from several different places |
| 23:53.54 | JManV | functions are the same thing is action defintions, except they can actually return a value |
| 23:54.31 | JManV | i use functions for my catalog stuff, for example |
| 23:54.50 | JManV | i send it some reference, and i get back the catalog value in return |
| 23:55.05 | JManV | make it very convient to reuse later |
| 23:55.35 | JManV | there are some other small differences in the timing of them |
| 23:55.44 | JManV | you can call a trigger and not wait for it to finish |
| 23:56.06 | JManV | you can also do that for an action definition, but only if it is threaded |
| 23:56.25 | JManV | you can never do that for a function, because you need the value it returns to continue |
| 23:57.28 | JManV | anyway, any time i need to do the same thing in more than one place, i consider making it a function |
| 23:57.50 | JManV | and by function, i mean function or action definition, because they're basically the same thing |
| 23:58.02 | JManV | if i think it would be useful to get a value from it, i use a function |
| 23:58.16 | JManV | if it's just a set of things to do, i use an action definition |
