IRC log for #sc2mapster on 20110304

`00:04.49`	`MrOp`	`jman or jade how to you change a doodad animation state`
`00:04.56`	`MrOp`	`trying to make a door`
`00:05.07`	`MrOp`	`do i need to turn it into a unit`
`00:05.24`	`MrOp`	`so units cant walk through it`
`00:05.54`	`MrOp`	`(with a trigger`
`00:06.07`	`JademusSreg`	`Morph to a unit with a footprint.`
`00:06.18`	`MrOp`	`what does that mean`
`00:06.27`	`JademusSreg`	`Like the gates from the campaign.`
`00:07.02`	`MrOp`	`will i be able to manniptulate it like a doodad`
`00:07.13`	`MrOp`	`or is that a trigger you are talking aboput`
`00:07.16`	`MrOp`	`about*`
`00:07.38`	`JademusSreg`	`Make it a unit.`
`00:08.00`	`MrOp`	`as a unit i am going to have trouble placing it right`
`00:08.02`	`MrOp`	`:/`
`00:08.14`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`hold shift?`
`00:08.23`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha.`
`00:08.26`	`MrOp`	`i mean lowering it into the ground`
`00:08.28`	`MrOp`	`:?`
`00:08.31`	`JademusSreg`	`Page down`
`00:08.31`	`MrOp`	`not rotate`
`00:09.07`	`MrOp`	`page down doesnt lower a unit into the ground`
`00:09.53`	`JademusSreg`	`Oya`
`00:09.55`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha`
`00:10.00`	`MrOp`	`:/`
`00:10.02`	`JademusSreg`	`What are using for a gate?`
`00:10.12`	`MrOp`	`i am making the maze with them`
`00:10.21`	`MrOp`	`but i want them to pop up`
`00:10.23`	`MrOp`	`and down`
`00:10.40`	`JademusSreg`	`Does the model have that animation?`
`00:10.41`	`MrOp`	`so i have a maze that appears to be changeing`
`00:10.43`	`MrOp`	`yea`
`00:10.48`	`MrOp`	`but you can walk through a doodad`
`00:11.13`	`JademusSreg`	`Do you have the campaign dependency?`
`00:11.19`	`MrOp`	`yea everything`
`00:11.28`	`JademusSreg`	`Good. Use the gate units.`
`00:11.34`	`JademusSreg`	`Issue orders to them.`
`00:11.44`	`JademusSreg`	`Problem solved forever.`
`00:11.52`	`MrOp`	`yea i got that part i think`
`00:12.04`	`MrOp`	`but what about walking through it`
`00:12.08`	`MrOp`	`:/`
`00:12.12`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Jade, you got some extra time?`
`00:12.39`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Mrop, when the gate is open, you can walk through it`
`00:12.50`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`you issue order for it to open and close`
`00:12.56`	`MrOp`	`are we talking about unit or doodad`
`00:13.02`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`the gate unit`
`00:13.03`	`MrOp`	`unit i can move around like can a doodad`
`00:13.08`	`MrOp`	`yea i cant use units`
`00:13.23`	`MrOp`	`unless i can put them lower in the floor`
`00:13.31`	`*** join/#sc2mapster FireryRage (~FireryRag@69.166.20.150)`
`00:13.34`	`MrOp`	`:/`
`00:14.00`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`then set the height in the data editor`
`00:14.12`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`on the unit`
`00:14.18`	`MrOp`	`where is that field`
`00:14.21`	`MrOp`	`er what is it next to`
`00:14.41`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I don't use field names, so it's just Height for me`
`00:15.19`	`MrOp`	`no idk where the ffield is or what field it is next to so i can find it`
`00:15.25`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`UI - Height`
`00:15.26`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`in the the unit`
`00:15.28`	`MrOp`	`k`
`00:16.14`	`MrOp`	`hmm thats not to anoying`
`00:16.16`	`MrOp`	`:)`
`00:17.21`	`MrOp`	`shawn`
`00:17.40`	`MrOp`	`once i have thegate unit how to i get it to switch state with a trigger`
`00:17.47`	`MrOp`	`or what is the name i the trigger`
`00:18.04`	`MrOp`	`of*`
`00:18.16`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`The action is Issue Order`
`00:19.11`	`DonKalypso`	`Ask yourself: What was he thinking?`
`00:19.18`	`MrOp`	`oO`
`00:19.44`	`DonKalypso`	`Man walks up to a chicken "I'm gonna eat the next thing that comes outta this thing's ass."`
`00:19.54`	`MrOp`	`lol`
`00:20.00`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I hate pandora now.. It's only a couple days into the month and I'm at 10 hours of music`
`00:21.03`	`DonKalypso`	`Same man walks up to a cow "I'm gonna suck on that pink bag on the under side of this here moo-thingy."`
`00:21.14`	`DonKalypso`	`"That's a boy cow!"`
`00:21.58`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`What about eating part of a tree to make gum?`
`00:22.18`	`DonKalypso`	`Like how fucked up was first man?`
`00:22.58`	`DonKalypso`	`How crazy do you need to be to eat the next thing that comes out of a chicken's ass, or to suck on the udder of a goat or a cow?`
`00:25.23`	`DonKalypso`	`Damn my dad`
`00:25.37`	`DonKalypso`	`He came up with a decent way of explaining the whole egg and udder thing`
`00:29.25`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`So, are you in the mafia?`
`00:29.35`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`You don't look too scary`
`00:36.36`	`DonKalypso`	`No, I'm not in the mafia`
`00:36.43`	`DonKalypso`	`The mafia is more of an Italian thing`
`00:36.50`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`YOu're spanish>?/`
`00:36.53`	`DonKalypso`	`I, however, am more Spanish`
`00:37.20`	`JademusSreg`	`Ma-familia. =)`
`00:38.02`	`DonKalypso`	`See? Jade has the right idea.`
`00:39.10`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`His name is gibberish too`
`00:39.13`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`So he would get it`
`00:39.41`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha.`
`00:42.13`	`JademusSreg`	`I feel sorry for those people doing collaborative projects without dropbox.`
`00:42.42`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I feel bad for dropbox users who aren't doing collaborative projects`
`00:43.23`	`JademusSreg`	`Baaazing`
`00:43.52`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Are you a programmer jade?`
`00:44.11`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Firery (~FireryRag@69.166.20.150)`
`00:44.41`	`JManV`	`jade is actually THE programmer`
`00:44.45`	`JManV`	`he's the only one. ever.`
`00:45.16`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`No, my other programmer friend also says baazing all the time. Makes me wonder what show they are all watching`
`00:45.40`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha.`
`00:46.23`	`JademusSreg`	`I could say "bazinga", were I so inclined.`
`00:46.49`	`JManV`	`your friend can't be a programmer. i thought i made myself clear`
`00:47.10`	`JManV`	`jade is THE programmer. no programmer has existed before or since`
`00:47.37`	`JManV`	`or ever will`
`00:47.48`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I'm the first viewer for onetwo's new tutorial`
`00:49.09`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`and i'm the first comment`
`00:49.16`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`"Amazing. It all makes sense now. Thanks so much for your help!"`
`00:49.19`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`lol`
`00:49.22`	`JManV`	`heh`
`00:52.22`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I think one of my roommates is torrenting again`
`00:52.32`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`my internet is so slow`
`00:54.10`	`JademusSreg`	`I think I'll have tiberium apply a stackable buff in its immediate area, which deals damage over time for a duration based on the stack count.`
`00:56.11`	`JademusSreg`	`I just need to figure out the squishy values, such as the period between applying buff stacks, buff stack duration, buff damage period and damage per period.`
`00:57.15`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`iirc, the tiberium killed infantry pretty wuick`
`00:57.19`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`quick*`
`00:57.38`	`JademusSreg`	`If I make the damage period coincide with the stack duration, so the damage is dealt as the stack count decrements, that simplifies things a bit.`
`00:58.36`	`JademusSreg`	`I also need to work out unit attribute bonus mods for the damage.`
`00:59.22`	`DonKalypso`	`slaps Jade`
`00:59.26`	`DonKalypso`	`BECAUSE I CAN!`
`00:59.31`	`JademusSreg`	`=O`
`00:59.33`	`DonKalypso`	`FEAR ME FOR I AM YOUR DON!`
`00:59.55`	`DonKalypso`	`Be glad I'm not related to Al Capone`
`01:00.01`	`DonKalypso`	`Or else I'd have used a bat.`
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`01:00.19`	`DonKalypso`	`"I kissed my baby with a baseball bat"`
`01:00.36`	`JademusSreg`	`Sounds like The Great Gastby.`
`01:00.51`	`DonKalypso`	`Truth be told, I never read that book`
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`01:25.18`	`Cheekything`	`Hey with buttons when you run a trigger how do you grab the player who click that button?`
`01:25.23`	`Cheekything`	`is it just triggering player?`
`01:25.48`	`JademusSreg`	`Yep.`
`01:25.53`	`JademusSreg`	`It's that easy.`
`01:26.00`	`Cheekything`	`seems too easy :/`
`01:26.18`	`JademusSreg`	`Not like wc3 that had a bunch of shitty functions that all returned the same TriggeringPlayer.`
`01:26.34`	`Cheekything`	`Well if this work yay if not boo`
`01:26.54`	`JademusSreg`	`Really, if you read blizzard.j, you would say "wtf! These are just stupid wrappers!"`
`01:27.35`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Haha.. they broke the Active Forum Threads box now too`
`01:27.40`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Amazing`
`01:28.39`	`Skizot`	`anyone here good at writing .fx shaders?`
`01:30.21`	`Cheekything`	`Wow that is really creepy :P`
`01:30.25`	`Cheekything`	`but yay it works`
`01:30.40`	`Cheekything`	`now to try and make it so it plays with pictures`
`01:33.08`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Agouti (~Agouti@60-240-2-243.tpgi.com.au)`
`01:33.13`	`Agouti`	`holla`
`01:33.36`	`JManV`	`long time man`
`01:33.50`	`Agouti`	`I took a little break from map making`
`01:34.03`	`JManV`	`lot of people been coming back lately :P`
`01:34.05`	`Skizot`	`ewwww`
`01:34.06`	`JManV`	`must be 1.3`
`01:34.10`	`Agouti`	`^`
`01:34.23`	`Agouti`	`some good fixes`
`01:34.25`	`Skizot`	`agouti`
`01:34.27`	`Agouti`	`a lot sadly missing`
`01:34.34`	`Agouti`	`mmhmm?`
`01:34.54`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Hey man`
`01:34.58`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Welcome back`
`01:35.05`	`Agouti`	`why thankyou :D`
`01:35.33`	`Agouti`	`I'm a bit annoyed at the impact map at the moment`
`01:35.46`	`Agouti`	`it works well for missiles with massive orientations`
`01:36.07`	`Agouti`	`but you can't get the missile to re-acquire impact points mid-flight from what I can see`
`01:36.13`	`Agouti`	`not that it really matters`
`01:36.40`	`Agouti`	`how's everyones maps going?`
`01:36.41`	`*** join/#sc2mapster FieryRage (~FireryRag@69.166.20.150)`
`01:37.50`	`JManV`	`well`
`01:38.14`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I set a cow on fire`
`01:38.20`	`JManV`	`he did`
`01:38.46`	`Agouti`	`haha`
`01:38.52`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`http://dl.dropbox.com/u/21183610/Mini_Tutorial_Collection.SC2Map`
`01:38.56`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`that is my tut work so far`
`01:39.00`	`Agouti`	`oh?`
`01:39.09`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`started yesterday or the day before i think`
`01:39.24`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`still have to do all the write-ups to explain everyhting`
`01:39.31`	`Agouti`	`what's in it?`
`01:39.55`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Setting a unit on fire, adding behavior to a weapon, reace selection via dialogs, and beacon teleporting`
`01:40.01`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`simple stuff for noobs`
`01:40.09`	`Agouti`	`nice`
`01:40.23`	`Vexal`	`hello, everyone.`
`01:40.58`	`Agouti`	`hallo`
`01:41.01`	`Agouti`	`hmm`
`01:41.08`	`JManV`	`cow on fire ftw`
`01:41.24`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I don`
`01:41.34`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I don't see why flaming cow isn't in every map`
`01:41.37`	`Agouti`	`does anyone know what the Point Fallback flag does for launch missile effects? It seems to fix the impact map problems I was haping`
`01:41.43`	`JManV`	`it'll be on mine :P`
`01:41.47`	`Agouti`	`haha`
`01:41.48`	`Agouti`	`man`
`01:41.52`	`Agouti`	`I want a flaming cow now`
`01:42.14`	`Agouti`	`hmm`
`01:42.26`	`Agouti`	`the only way to make a flaming cow more awesome`
`01:42.31`	`Agouti`	`is to launch it from a catapult`
`01:42.50`	`JManV`	`he's right you know`
`01:42.51`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`all i would need is the catapult`
`01:42.56`	`JManV`	`we need flying cow missiles`
`01:43.05`	`JManV`	`flaming cow missiles rather`
`01:43.18`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`do what skizot did with the tacos, but with our cows?`
`01:43.19`	`JManV`	`maybe a carrier could shoot flaming cows?`
`01:43.32`	`Agouti`	`heh, that could make a really good campaign ambience effect`
`01:43.41`	`Agouti`	`like a Char type mission`
`01:43.56`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`It could also make a neat Tag map`
`01:43.59`	`Agouti`	`having flaming cows randomly launched at your surrounding area`
`01:44.02`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`With behavior transfers`
`01:44.11`	`Agouti`	`hmm`
`01:44.16`	`JManV`	`flame tag?`
`01:44.16`	`Agouti`	`how would that work?`
`01:44.31`	`Agouti`	`you have to launch and hit another player?`
`01:44.44`	`JManV`	`with a flaming cow?`
`01:44.48`	`Agouti`	`hah, the players could be like Queens or Lurkers`
`01:44.55`	`Agouti`	`and the cow would ride on their back until launch`
`01:45.00`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Unit enters region(position of player1unit, .5) .. remove behavior from triggering unit, add behavior to player1unit`
`01:45.28`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`then if the behavior duration runs out, you kill that unit and give the behavior to a random other player`
`01:45.46`	`Agouti`	`or slightly differently, could be like Hot Potato`
`01:45.47`	`Agouti`	`except`
`01:45.49`	`Agouti`	`Hot Cow`
`01:46.03`	`Agouti`	`you loose life while you hold it`
`01:46.10`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`that would be awesome too`
`01:46.14`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`if not better`
`01:46.35`	`Agouti`	`you could have Cow Meteors`
`01:46.50`	`Agouti`	`accompanied by a Holy Cow! sound effect`
`01:47.41`	`JManV`	`i totally want flaming cow projectiles`
`01:47.55`	`Agouti`	`:o`
`01:48.04`	`JManV`	`that could be an easter egg attack in my game :P`
`01:48.07`	`Agouti`	`imagine Pudge from DotA with a flaming cow cannon`
`01:48.36`	`Agouti`	`idk why Pudge, but that is what I want`
`01:50.20`	`JademusSreg`	`Abomination is a superset of Pudge. =)`
`01:50.28`	`JademusSreg`	`So an abomination with a cow cannon.`
`01:50.46`	`Agouti`	`indeedy`
`01:54.00`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`anyways, if you have more ideas for mini-tuts that i can do, let me know`
`01:54.08`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I'm trying to pack as many as possible into the map`
`01:54.23`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`which i think is like 196`
`01:54.42`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`i should recheck`
`01:55.09`	`JManV`	`that's ambitious`
`01:56.20`	`Agouti`	`^`
`01:56.39`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`yup. 196`
`01:56.41`	`JManV`	`^`
`01:56.46`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`damn thats gonna take a while`
`01:56.49`	`JManV`	`v`
`01:56.53`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`i need more ideas haha`
`01:56.59`	`JManV`	`<`
`01:57.04`	`Agouti`	`lots of missile things you can do`
`01:57.27`	`Agouti`	`persistent effects`
`01:57.30`	`Agouti`	`periodics`
`01:57.31`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`i could put some of prozaic's tuts in there`
`01:57.31`	`Agouti`	`searches`
`01:57.38`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`but that might take a while`
`01:57.45`	`Agouti`	`might?`
`01:57.51`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`umm.. will`
`01:57.54`	`Agouti`	`lol ^`
`01:57.57`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes, repuposing the lessons of others is a good idea.`
`01:58.07`	`JademusSreg`	`*repurposing`
`01:58.13`	`Agouti`	`they exist to help`
`01:58.18`	`Agouti`	`not like he's selling them`
`01:58.40`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`No, I'm just combining 196 tutorial things into one map`
`01:58.53`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`besides, that means the write-up for that part is already done`
`01:59.10`	`JManV`	`the write-up is the hard part`
`01:59.17`	`Agouti`	`unguided missiles`
`01:59.24`	`Agouti`	`force effects`
`01:59.32`	`Agouti`	`lots of actor stuff`
`01:59.42`	`Agouti`	`attachments`
`01:59.56`	`Agouti`	`charges`
`02:00.31`	`JManV`	`everyone wants to know how to make a TD :P`
`02:00.37`	`Sixen`	`hao 2 maek teedee`
`02:00.43`	`JademusSreg`	`Demonstrating the use of actor timers and vars is a good idea.`
`02:00.51`	`JManV`	`actually, preventing path interruption is a common question`
`02:00.54`	`JademusSreg`	`FTD`
`02:00.59`	`Dogmai`	`meh`
`02:01.02`	`Dogmai`	`tds are overrated`
`02:01.14`	`JademusSreg`	`Thus, F them.`
`02:01.16`	`Agouti`	`^`
`02:01.24`	`Agouti`	`not a fan of TD's`
`02:01.36`	`JManV`	`all the more reason not to answer their questions in chan :P`
`02:01.36`	`Agouti`	`actor timers are a good thing to have`
`02:01.41`	`Vexal`	`http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/fwpzj/iama_74time_jeopardy_champion_ken_jennings_i_will/`
`02:01.45`	`Vexal`	`i never assumed this guy would be hilarious.`
`02:02.06`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`sixen, fix the site already`
`02:02.08`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`:P`
`02:02.12`	`Sixen`	`they're workin' on it`
`02:02.17`	`Bounty_`	`So`
`02:02.21`	`Sixen`	`it's apparently a sign of the apocalypse`
`02:02.22`	`Bounty_`	`who wants to test Iconic Bosses? =P`
`02:02.26`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I know, but I'm allowed to bother you until then`
`02:02.32`	`Sixen`	`lol`
`02:02.42`	`JManV`	`give sixen a break`
`02:02.50`	`JManV`	`dude works hard for us`
`02:02.50`	`Skizot`	`sixen`
`02:02.51`	`Sixen`	`:)`
`02:02.57`	`*** join/#sc2mapster grim001_ (~chatzilla@c-69-246-170-145.hsd1.fl.comcast.net)`
`02:03.01`	`JManV`	`and gets nothing but that satisfaction of being awesome`
`02:03.07`	`Skizot`	`find me a .fx writer STAT`
`02:03.22`	`Sixen`	`=o`
`02:03.28`	`JademusSreg`	`Bounty, give me a little bit.`
`02:03.34`	`Bounty_`	`kk`
`02:04.31`	`JademusSreg`	`JademusSreg.950, NA`
`02:04.58`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`sixen, would you news a new tutorial by onetwo?`
`02:05.05`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`is that something newsworthy?`
`02:05.17`	`Sixen`	`of course`
`02:05.21`	`JManV`	`he makes a new one every week :P`
`02:05.45`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/tutorials/19221-triggers-video-arrays-loops/#p1`
`02:05.46`	`Sixen`	`UnoDos still makes new ones`
`02:05.47`	`Sixen`	`?`
`02:05.51`	`Sixen`	`why doesn't he tell me`
`02:06.24`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`idk.. it can fit nicely with NOTD though`
`02:06.31`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`:D`
`02:06.40`	`Sixen`	`lol`
`02:07.10`	`JManV`	`NOTD is pretty cool`
`02:07.11`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`besides, we need to make sure that he makes some good money off of his tuts. That way he can make more faster`
`02:07.17`	`JManV`	`lots of polish`
`02:07.22`	`JManV`	`attention to detail`
`02:07.44`	`Bounty_`	`Sixen, you want to test Iconic Bosses w/me? :)`
`02:08.00`	`Sixen`	`sure`
`02:08.07`	`Sixen`	`just in a game atm :p`
`02:08.07`	`Bounty_`	`sweet, anyone else?`
`02:08.13`	`Bounty_`	`np`
`02:08.32`	`JademusSreg`	`I'll be available in a few minutes.`
`02:08.40`	`Bounty_`	`kk`
`02:09.19`	`JademusSreg`	`Waiting for my wife to get home.`
`02:09.26`	`MrOp`	`how do you find the lowered state on a button`
`02:09.38`	`MrOp`	`is it on the second page of the ability card`
`02:10.33`	`Bounty_`	`Sixen`
`02:10.45`	`Bounty_`	`why the f*ck cant i bring the mouse cursor back after i hide lol`
`02:12.28`	`Sixen`	`iono`
`02:13.24`	`JademusSreg`	`Ready.`
`02:13.37`	`Bounty_`	`kk`
`02:14.01`	`Bounty_`	`chr code?`
`02:14.04`	`Cheekything`	`How do I remove dialog images and buttons ?`
`02:14.45`	`JademusSreg`	`Hide or destroy them.`
`02:14.52`	`JademusSreg`	`JademusSreg.950, NA`
`02:14.52`	`Bounty_`	`waht is your friend info Jade`
`02:16.10`	`Bounty_`	`i wonder if i should invite David Kim lolol`
`02:16.37`	`JManV`	`so i have these variables that i moved, and i changed the references in the code`
`02:16.41`	`Bounty_`	`JMan`
`02:16.44`	`Bounty_`	`u want in? one spot left`
`02:17.02`	`JademusSreg`	`I'm getting more pizza and tea.`
`02:17.04`	`JManV`	`so i go to delete the old ones, and it tells me i'm still using them, and invalidates the modified code that didn't reference them`
`02:17.31`	`JManV`	`oic`
`02:17.41`	`JManV`	`wow that's gay`
`02:18.02`	`JManV`	`i didnt actually click on the record member to change it to the record member with the same name on the new record`
`02:18.58`	`JManV`	`the code runs fine, but it still thinks its referencing the old record`
`02:19.14`	`Bounty_`	`sooo... does anyone want that last spot for Iconic Bosses w/ Sixen , Jademussreg and myself?`
`02:19.26`	`JManV`	`sorry i'm in the middle of something`
`02:20.33`	`Agouti`	`spot?`
`02:20.52`	`Bounty_`	`yeah, one open... we're just waiting on Sixen`
`02:21.24`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I guess I can play if no one else wants to`
`02:21.40`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Lets hope it doesnt kill my comp like the last Bounty map did`
`02:21.49`	`JademusSreg`	`Sooner the better. Even at 62 fps, the menus are trying to fry my computer.`
`02:21.49`	`Bounty_`	`lol`
`02:21.57`	`Bounty_`	`u should be ok`
`02:22.02`	`Bounty_`	`the draw distance isnt 10,000`
`02:22.06`	`Bounty_`	`like in my previous maps =P`
`02:22.25`	`JademusSreg`	`SC2's lobbies cause all the fans in my machine to turn on. =\`
`02:22.44`	`JManV`	`weird`
`02:22.49`	`Bounty_`	`what is ur info Agouti`
`02:22.51`	`JademusSreg`	`Actual gameplay is less intensive.`
`02:23.02`	`Cheekything`	`its that video that plays behind it :/`
`02:23.11`	`Agouti`	`sorry Bounty, I can't play right now`
`02:23.24`	`Bounty_`	`Shawn?`
`02:23.35`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`forgot mychar code.. one sec`
`02:23.53`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Shawn 770`
`02:24.29`	`Bounty_`	`Now we just need Sixen... how much longer till ur available Sixen?`
`02:25.48`	`Sixen`	`I guess i'm ready`
`02:25.59`	`Bounty_`	`:)`
`02:58.05`	`JademusSreg`	`So what was the deal with the power cores?`
`02:58.22`	`JademusSreg`	`That was bad.`
`02:58.53`	`JademusSreg`	`I can understand losing because we get killed, that's fine, but how did we find ourselves in an unwinnable position?`
`02:59.50`	`Bounty_`	`bc we used them up to soon`
`03:01.02`	`Sixen`	`We used the cores before his shields were back up`
`03:01.10`	`Sixen`	`Need to time it right`
`03:01.16`	`Bounty_`	`Your supposed to juggle him`
`03:01.18`	`Bounty_`	`which we didnt do`
`03:01.22`	`Bounty_`	`it was always me picking it up lol`
`03:01.52`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`i tried, but my comp suck so i kept running past it`
`03:02.09`	`Bounty_`	`just press E as soon as ur near it`
`03:02.16`	`Bounty_`	`how was ur framerate?`
`03:02.22`	`Bounty_`	`the draw distance is only 75`
`03:02.25`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`it was good when i wasnt moving`
`03:02.36`	`Bounty_`	`better then my otherm aps though right?`
`03:02.37`	`Bounty_`	`maps*`
`03:02.57`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`i think so. This comp is better than the one i used before too`
`03:03.04`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`not much better.. but still`
`03:05.13`	`*** join/#sc2mapster FieryRage (~FireryRag@69.166.20.150)`
`03:07.24`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I think your map needs a flaming cow`
`03:08.10`	`JManV`	`i concur`
`03:08.16`	`Bounty_`	`lol`
`03:08.20`	`JademusSreg`	`I just question if it is good design to allow them to be used too soon.`
`03:08.25`	`Sixen`	`I agree`
`03:08.43`	`Sixen`	`You should make it so we can't put it in the Obe if his shields are up`
`03:09.11`	`JademusSreg`	`Yeah.`
`03:09.48`	`Bounty_`	`=P`
`03:09.58`	`Bounty_`	`i figured it was only a matter of time before ppl requested that`
`03:10.44`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Well flaming cow is a very popular option nowadays`
`03:10.58`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I'm surprised it wasn't added by default`
`03:11.08`	`Bounty_`	`not that`
`03:11.13`	`Bounty_`	`the other thing`
`03:11.13`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`:D`
`03:11.14`	`Bounty_`	`btw`
`03:11.21`	`Bounty_`	`Thoughts on the map so far?`
`03:11.24`	`Bounty_`	`feedback?`
`03:11.53`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Umm.. you need to fix it so that I can't kill my teammates`
`03:12.03`	`Bounty_`	`just did`
`03:12.04`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Which is weird because i couldnt hurt kerrigan`
`03:12.09`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`orly?`
`03:12.10`	`Bounty_`	`wait what?`
`03:12.17`	`Bounty_`	`u couldnt kill ur teammates lol`
`03:12.24`	`Bounty_`	`only the Dominator class has that problem`
`03:12.34`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`You're a dominator!`
`03:12.37`	`Bounty_`	`which i just fixed`
`03:12.44`	`Bounty_`	`atleast i think i did`
`03:12.50`	`Bounty_`	`i made us all Light Units`
`03:12.55`	`Bounty_`	`and the search filter excludes light`
`03:13.03`	`JademusSreg`	`Psychic Dominator: worst C&C super weapon ever.`
`03:13.22`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Worst as in OP or UP or just dumb?`
`03:13.28`	`JademusSreg`	`Dumb.`
`03:13.37`	`JademusSreg`	`It's dumb that it blows shit up!`
`03:13.59`	`JademusSreg`	`If it were just op mind control in a wider radius, I would respect that.`
`03:14.06`	`Bounty_`	`.....`
`03:14.17`	`Bounty_`	`so i guess thats it for feedback and thoughts? lol`
`03:14.31`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`It looks great. Take two pills and call us in a week`
`03:14.36`	`JademusSreg`	`The second dumbest is the Chem Missile from Tiberian Sun because there often wasn't enough opportunity to use it.`
`03:14.46`	`JademusSreg`	`Let's see.`
`03:16.37`	`JademusSreg`	`The unit response to camera angle needs a threshhold, since seeing the unit turn a miniscule fraction of a radian from the beat of my pulse moving my hand ever so slightly (/exaggeration) is kinda silly.`
`03:17.26`	`Bounty_`	`uh`
`03:17.29`	`Bounty_`	`there is no way to fix that lol`
`03:17.42`	`Bounty_`	`it runs every 0.06 seconds`
`03:17.47`	`Bounty_`	`u cant get any faster lol`
`03:17.54`	`JademusSreg`	`A flashy effect to draw attention to the infested orbamajig on creation would be good.`
`03:18.40`	`Bounty_`	`i agree with that but it wont matter if ppl dont read what kerrigan says`
`03:18.42`	`JademusSreg`	`Well, my problem is that the unit moves even if the turn is very tiny.`
`03:18.59`	`JademusSreg`	`It's not important to gameplay though.`
`03:19.31`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`It needs more cowbell`
`03:19.57`	`Sktitles`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwX95UaKCRg&feature=feedu`
`03:20.10`	`JademusSreg`	`Is there any way to aggro those first few carrier guards?`
`03:20.28`	`Bounty_`	`no`
`03:20.57`	`JademusSreg`	`Sad they aren't more threatening.`
`03:21.10`	`JademusSreg`	`But I see how it works well enough.`
`03:21.14`	`Bounty_`	`they are since if kerrigan dies u fail lol`
`03:21.27`	`JademusSreg`	`Don't kill them quickly enough and you go into the boss fight morel ikely to lose.`
`03:21.53`	`Bounty_`	`huh?`
`03:22.03`	`JademusSreg`	`From the damage they deal Kerrigan.`
`03:22.14`	`Bounty_`	`oh`
`03:22.15`	`Bounty_`	`yeah`
`03:22.20`	`Bounty_`	`Kerrigan Regens`
`03:22.24`	`JademusSreg`	`Yup.`
`03:22.39`	`Bounty_`	`we seriously could have won that easy lol`
`03:22.45`	`JademusSreg`	`One time they got her down to just over 200 while Sixen was stuck in a wall.`
`03:22.57`	`Bounty_`	`lol yeah`
`03:23.08`	`JademusSreg`	`There's whatever that trigger error was.`
`03:24.28`	`JademusSreg`	`Sixen mentioned a shield button, like being able to block if you react in time. It's a cool idea, but I am doubting it would work for several reasons.`
`03:25.24`	`JademusSreg`	`Latency, first, but that can be accounted for pretty easily if the window of opportunity and the duration for the block can be tinkered with to compensate.`
`03:25.34`	`JademusSreg`	`The bigger issue is how little sense it would make.`
`03:26.07`	`JademusSreg`	`Link has a shield, Kirby can turn into a rock, Yoshi gets in an egg, but was is a Marauder going to do?`
`03:26.31`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`A defensive matrix, duh`
`03:26.40`	`Sixen`	`I didn't say that :x`
`03:26.42`	`Bounty_`	`lol`
`03:26.54`	`JademusSreg`	`Who said that?`
`03:27.04`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`not it`
`03:27.06`	`JademusSreg`	`Or rather, who said what and how did I misread it?`
`03:28.10`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`maybe he was talking about zeratuls shields`
`03:28.17`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`who knows`
`03:28.19`	`Bounty_`	`prolly`
`03:29.10`	`JademusSreg`	`Hm.`
`03:29.16`	`JademusSreg`	`Well alright then!`
`03:29.31`	`Bounty_`	`For reason i get the feeling that when this map is finished it will get no plays lol`
`03:29.41`	`Bounty_`	`For some*`
`03:29.42`	`JademusSreg`	`prances off stage with a cane and top hat.`
`03:29.55`	`MrOp`	`lol`
`03:30.18`	`JademusSreg`	`It would be crunchier if there was some indication that you have a valid combo.`
`03:30.31`	`Bounty_`	`im prolly gonna put in auto combo`
`03:30.36`	`Bounty_`	`and eliminate the space bar completely`
`03:33.04`	`JademusSreg`	`So long as combos don't overlap, that sounds like it might work. =)`
`03:33.27`	`Bounty_`	`it will work but the only issue is latency`
`03:33.37`	`Bounty_`	`checking for taht periodicaly lol`
`03:33.46`	`Bounty_`	`or i guess`
`03:33.49`	`Bounty_`	`i could do it on click?`
`03:36.01`	`JademusSreg`	`Yeah, in the same trigger that handles mouse input.`
`03:39.49`	`Agouti`	`yay for silly bugs`
`03:39.59`	`Agouti`	`when you are specifying an attachement point`
`03:40.05`	`Agouti`	`you have to include leading zeroes`
`03:40.09`	`Agouti`	`e.g. Target 03`
`03:40.16`	`Agouti`	`you can't put Target, index 3`
`03:40.21`	`Agouti`	`has to be Target index 03`
`03:40.30`	`Agouti`	`which it will then shorten to 3 every time you open it`
`03:40.36`	`Agouti`	`and subsequently fail`
`03:42.03`	`FockeWulf`	`bounty...`
`03:42.04`	`FockeWulf`	`sigh`
`03:42.09`	`Bounty_`	`?`
`03:42.14`	`FockeWulf`	`I already explained to you twice how to make it work without lag >.<`
`03:42.24`	`Bounty_`	`wtf r u talking about lol`
`03:42.39`	`FockeWulf`	`do you ever remember testing any of my engines?`
`03:42.44`	`Sktitles`	`anybody know a model for a 360 degree air ripple?`
`03:42.57`	`Bounty_`	`no... almost positive i never tested any`
`03:43.09`	`FockeWulf`	`be glad you said almost`
`03:43.16`	`FockeWulf`	`anyways no`
`03:43.37`	`FockeWulf`	`you do an infanite while loop inside a trigger with event "map int" and just thread the fuck out of it`
`03:43.47`	`Agouti`	`Sktitles: one of the force fields made to grow in scale?`
`03:43.49`	`FockeWulf`	`so my map int`
`03:43.55`	`FockeWulf`	`starts the movement system for all 14 players`
`03:44.01`	`Sktitles`	`Agouti!`
`03:44.01`	`FockeWulf`	`the projectile system for all 14`
`03:44.05`	`Sktitles`	`been awhile.`
`03:44.11`	`FockeWulf`	`and soon the ability system for all 14`
`03:44.12`	`FockeWulf`	`inside one trigger`
`03:44.14`	`Bounty_`	`how is that any diff then a periodic`
`03:44.16`	`Agouti`	`hai hai hai`
`03:44.18`	`FockeWulf`	`its not so much tiggers that lag`
`03:44.28`	`FockeWulf`	`the when they fire they do`
`03:44.33`	`FockeWulf`	`its not an issue with tthe game`
`03:44.36`	`FockeWulf`	`so much`
`03:44.40`	`FockeWulf`	`its just mostly network lag`
`03:44.52`	`FockeWulf`	`because theres an extra layer of communication`
`03:44.54`	`Agouti`	`I can't remember the name of it, but there is a semisphere model under Effects which is mostly just refraction`
`03:44.57`	`Agouti`	`that could work`
`03:45.08`	`Bounty_`	`Focke`
`03:45.14`	`Sktitles`	`forcefield or?`
`03:45.15`	`Bounty_`	`How is what you described any diff then a periodic`
`03:45.25`	`Agouti`	`sec I'll have a look`
`03:45.25`	`FockeWulf`	`because the TRIGGER fires only once`
`03:45.30`	`Sktitles`	`mkay`
`03:45.37`	`Sktitles`	`i know some models have it included in it`
`03:45.45`	`Bounty_`	`if used a while loop before, it wasnt any diff`
`03:45.46`	`FockeWulf`	`I played with it for a long time`
`03:45.49`	`Bounty_`	`i've used*`
`03:46.05`	`FockeWulf`	`I found out that trigger firing, especially repeated trigger firing will lag the heck out of it`
`03:46.17`	`Bounty_`	`also`
`03:46.27`	`FockeWulf`	`and the lag spikes co-incide with the rate of trigger fire`
`03:46.28`	`Bounty_`	`you cant do wasd with a trigger to fire the wasd key presses`
`03:46.34`	`Bounty_`	`without a*`
`03:46.35`	`FockeWulf`	`yup`
`03:46.44`	`FockeWulf`	`thats why you make the loop check to see which keys are one`
`03:46.54`	`FockeWulf`	`so you have a seperate trigger just set bolean values`
`03:47.14`	`FockeWulf`	`its exicuting so little it doesn't matter`
`03:47.21`	`Bounty_`	`that uses the keypress event right?`
`03:47.27`	`FockeWulf`	`yup`
`03:47.31`	`FockeWulf`	`so keypress event`
`03:47.51`	`FockeWulf`	`set WADS_keys[4,14] = true/false`
`03:48.03`	`FockeWulf`	`the loop checks everytime through to see which combos you have on`
`03:48.18`	`FockeWulf`	`I can do any movement ever 45 degree with wasdqe`
`03:48.22`	`Agouti`	`it might be Null Field`
`03:48.45`	`FockeWulf`	`or an fps cam with again 45 degree (because of key combos like w and a is a 45 degree left)`
`03:48.53`	`Sktitles`	`eh`
`03:48.58`	`FockeWulf`	`and have the mouse rotate the camera at the same time`
`03:49.01`	`MrOp`	`sup skit`
`03:49.03`	`Agouti`	`or maybe TimeBomb`
`03:49.04`	`FockeWulf`	`if you want I can prove it to you right now`
`03:49.08`	`Sktitles`	`im thinking infestation arena ahd 1`
`03:49.10`	`Sktitles`	`hi`
`03:49.16`	`Sktitles`	`when the rounds ended`
`03:49.21`	`Sktitles`	`it let if off and killed all the creeps`
`03:49.36`	`Bounty_`	`ok focke`
`03:49.38`	`FockeWulf`	`So the end result is`
`03:49.39`	`Bounty_`	`proove it lol`
`03:49.51`	`FockeWulf`	`ok meet you in sc2mapster channel`
`03:50.43`	`FockeWulf`	`actually since i fixed my projectile system 2 nights ago after blizzfail broke it ill upload it first to show you an even better example`
`03:50.56`	`Bounty_`	`ok`
`03:52.31`	`MrOp`	`does anyone know that password for our vent`
`03:52.42`	`FockeWulf`	`misu's?`
`03:52.43`	`FockeWulf`	`\lol`
`03:52.45`	`FockeWulf`	`dont even bother`
`03:52.48`	`MrOp`	`and why is there a password on there anyway`
`03:53.01`	`FockeWulf`	`he's forgotten all about it and is twice the fag he was`
`03:53.13`	`FockeWulf`	`and i know that cause I tried to make a map with him`
`03:53.46`	`MrOp`	`16`
`03:53.49`	`MrOp`	`you here`
`03:53.55`	`MrOp`	`are you ever here XD`
`03:54.01`	`Agouti`	`~seen 16`
`03:54.11`	`purl`	`Agouti: i haven't seen '16'`
`03:54.11`	`Agouti`	`purl`
`03:54.31`	`Agouti`	`~seen Purl`
`03:54.32`	`purl`	`purl is currently on #casualti (15h 49m 35s) #linuxfund (15h 49m 35s) #waruidev (15h 49m 35s) #how (15h 49m 35s) #sc2mapster (15h 49m 35s) #edev (15h 49m 35s) #fossfund (15h 49m 35s) #hosernet (15h 49m 35s) #norganna (15h 49m 35s) ##ducleague (15h 49m 35s) #ud (15h 49m 35s) ##kierra (15h 49m 35s) #dbgc (15h 49m 35s) #dub (15h 49m 35s) #teleconf (15h 49m 35s) ...`
`03:58.45`	`Sktitles`	`hmm`
`03:59.00`	`Sktitles`	`can u give the invisibility effect to an effect?`
`03:59.19`	`Sixen`	`That's a good question`
`04:00.34`	`MrOp`	`OMG 16`
`04:00.36`	`MrOp`	`high`
`04:00.38`	`MrOp`	`hi`
`04:01.00`	`Sktitles`	`mmhmm`
`04:01.39`	`Sktitles`	`im not positive on how to give the effect to a unit, so i cant really test it out atm. lol`
`04:02.45`	`Sixen`	`i'm 16?`
`04:02.47`	`Sixen`	`6n maybe.`
`04:03.49`	`Sktitles`	`queens of stone age I think I've lost my headache`
`04:03.54`	`Sktitles`	`most anoying song ever made.`
`04:04.04`	`Sktitles`	`AND YET the radio plays it all the damn time`
`04:08.49`	`Agouti`	`I never listen to the radio`
`04:08.51`	`Agouti`	`MP3`
`04:08.51`	`Agouti`	`>`
`04:08.52`	`Agouti`	`radio`
`04:09.04`	`Agouti`	`GARG.`
`04:09.06`	`Agouti`	`why`
`04:09.12`	`Agouti`	`is my missiles impact effect`
`04:09.18`	`Agouti`	`playing on launch`
`04:10.00`	`Sktitles`	`idk`
`04:10.03`	`Sktitles`	`so whatcha making?`
`04:10.06`	`Sktitles`	`same map?`
`04:10.12`	`Agouti`	`still island defense`
`04:10.13`	`Agouti`	`ya`
`04:10.34`	`JademusSreg`	`Island defense?`
`04:10.35`	`Sktitles`	`I'm making a d3 map now`
`04:10.50`	`Agouti`	`ya`
`04:10.52`	`Agouti`	`oh`
`04:10.53`	`Agouti`	`nice`
`04:11.44`	`JademusSreg`	`So you've got players using a melee setup defending their islands from waves of enemies?`
`04:11.57`	`Agouti`	`no, it's not defense like TD`
`04:12.01`	`Agouti`	`it's PvP`
`04:12.06`	`Agouti`	`1v11`
`04:12.35`	`Agouti`	`best to just play it :)`
`04:12.50`	`Agouti`	`hmph`
`04:13.02`	`Agouti`	`why can I not get missiles to launch from Target03`
`04:13.19`	`Sktitles`	`?`
`04:13.22`	`Sktitles`	`pvp?`
`04:13.22`	`FockeWulf`	`bounty you puss`
`04:13.28`	`FockeWulf`	`i havent even shown you my boats yet`
`04:13.29`	`FockeWulf`	`>.<`
`04:13.33`	`Sktitles`	`oh ur map`
`04:13.35`	`Agouti`	`pvp = player vs player`
`04:13.35`	`Agouti`	`a`
`04:13.37`	`Agouti`	`ya`
`04:14.02`	`Sktitles`	`yeah`
`04:14.07`	`Sktitles`	`mm neat`
`04:14.26`	`Agouti`	`god this is stupid`
`04:15.08`	`Sktitles`	`sixen didn't u news notd like less then 2 weeks ago?`
`04:15.15`	`JademusSreg`	`So it's island offense?`
`04:15.22`	`Agouti`	`correct`
`04:15.26`	`Agouti`	`no`
`04:15.32`	`Agouti`	`it's called island defense`
`04:15.39`	`Agouti`	`it has no similarity to tower defense`
`04:15.50`	`Agouti`	`there are no AI controlled units of any kind`
`04:16.00`	`JademusSreg`	`So are you attacking or defending?`
`04:16.07`	`Agouti`	`player vs player`
`04:16.10`	`Agouti`	`11 on one team`
`04:16.13`	`Agouti`	`vs 1 titan`
`04:16.22`	`Sktitles`	`oh is it a different notd map?`
`04:16.25`	`Agouti`	`so the answer would be: both`
`04:16.27`	`Sktitles`	`notd spec ops`
`04:16.29`	`Agouti`	`notd?`
`04:16.33`	`JademusSreg`	`And the titan is an op player of some sort?`
`04:16.33`	`Sktitles`	`night of the dead`
`04:16.37`	`Agouti`	`correct`
`04:16.46`	`Agouti`	`titan gets XP and money from killing builders stuff`
`04:16.52`	`Agouti`	`levels up gets skills etc`
`04:16.55`	`JademusSreg`	`Does it's power scale with the number of defending players?`
`04:16.57`	`Sktitles`	`oh`
`04:17.00`	`Agouti`	`builders gather wood from trees (aka minerals)`
`04:17.02`	`Sktitles`	`i remember that map from wc3 now`
`04:17.07`	`Agouti`	`tech, build defenses`
`04:17.09`	`Agouti`	`armies`
`04:17.09`	`Agouti`	`etc`
`04:17.10`	`Agouti`	`ya`
`04:17.11`	`Sktitles`	`tho it was more cat n mouse on wc3`
`04:17.19`	`Agouti`	`ya`
`04:17.35`	`JademusSreg`	`How do you scale its power linearly with the number of players?`
`04:17.44`	`Agouti`	`I don't :(`
`04:17.53`	`Agouti`	`6 people is about the minimum`
`04:18.06`	`Agouti`	`too few and the Titan can't get enough feed to survive late game`
`04:18.10`	`JademusSreg`	`So basically it's a 12 person game of gtfo?`
`04:18.11`	`Sktitles`	`i would say it scales itself jade`
`04:18.25`	`Agouti`	`well no, it will work fewer players`
`04:18.29`	`Sktitles`	`6 is nice, not a lot of feed, not a threat of being killed to early on`
`04:18.32`	`Agouti`	`just the less people the harder the Titans job is`
`04:18.39`	`Sktitles`	`lots of people, more likely a few noobs will die`
`04:18.44`	`Agouti`	`and feed`
`04:18.47`	`Sktitles`	`= feed for titan`
`04:18.51`	`Agouti`	`and minions`
`04:18.58`	`Sktitles`	`mhmm`
`04:19.04`	`JademusSreg`	`So who is attacking and who is defending here?`
`04:19.05`	`Agouti`	`scaling to match player numbers is very hard`
`04:19.08`	`Agouti`	`neither`
`04:19.10`	`Sktitles`	`you may make the award for killing a builder scale with players in the game`
`04:19.14`	`Agouti`	`it's whoever is left standing`
`04:19.28`	`Agouti`	`builders win if they kill the titan`
`04:19.34`	`Agouti`	`titan wins if he kills all the builders`
`04:19.43`	`Sktitles`	`it's the titan attacking the builders, but the builders can build and eventually counter attack`
`04:19.50`	`Agouti`	`^`
`04:20.08`	`JademusSreg`	`So the builders build defenses on their islands, such that it could be said they are defending?`
`04:20.18`	`Sktitles`	`only 1 island`
`04:20.21`	`Sktitles`	`1 big island`
`04:20.37`	`Agouti`	`the bases are island-ish`
`04:20.42`	`Sktitles`	`they build a building (wall) to barricade themselves`
`04:20.42`	`JademusSreg`	`So how does the titan's power scale?`
`04:20.47`	`Agouti`	`with level`
`04:20.53`	`Sktitles`	`then they make towers behind that`
`04:20.54`	`Sktitles`	`and upgrade`
`04:21.00`	`Agouti`	`he gets XP and money from killing builder buildings and units`
`04:21.05`	`JademusSreg`	`How does it acquire levels if its units are dying due to defenses?`
`04:21.06`	`Agouti`	`xp means levels, abilities`
`04:21.11`	`Sktitles`	`if ur attacked in the beginning, you had better run.`
`04:21.14`	`Agouti`	`it only has 1 unit`
`04:21.14`	`Agouti`	`it`
`04:21.36`	`JademusSreg`	`So it's cat and mouse, frog hunt, and such.`
`04:21.40`	`Agouti`	`yes`
`04:21.40`	`Sktitles`	`yeah`
`04:21.52`	`Sktitles`	`I stated that awhile back :p`
`04:22.26`	`Sktitles`	`So how much progress does it have now agouti?`
`04:22.40`	`JademusSreg`	`Ah. "The titan dude runs around hunting your builder dudes" would have been sufficient. =)`
`04:22.41`	`Agouti`	`well I mean it's playable and popular`
`04:22.49`	`Agouti`	`has been for a while`
`04:22.58`	`Agouti`	`but like DotA or such`
`04:22.59`	`JademusSreg`	`Did you create the original island defense?`
`04:23.00`	`Sktitles`	`oh? ol`
`04:23.00`	`Agouti`	`always more to be done`
`04:23.07`	`Agouti`	`no I didn't`
`04:23.08`	`Sktitles`	`i didn't know u released it haha`
`04:23.20`	`Agouti`	`lol about 2 months back ;)`
`04:23.26`	`Sktitles`	`mm`
`04:23.29`	`Sktitles`	`>.>`
`04:23.31`	`Agouti`	`but there will be a new builder this month`
`04:23.36`	`JademusSreg`	`Wouldn't it be in better taste to rename it?`
`04:23.39`	`Agouti`	`and I'm adding more mechanics`
`04:23.48`	`Sktitles`	`i remember liking kodos tag`
`04:23.56`	`Agouti`	`It is a fan remake of WC3 Island Defense`
`04:24.15`	`Agouti`	`the editor who started SC2ID got tired of making it while it was still beta`
`04:24.16`	`JademusSreg`	`Sure, but the Island Defense people might want to remake Island Defense. It's kinda their thing.`
`04:24.17`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha.`
`04:24.20`	`Agouti`	`and he let me take over`
`04:24.25`	`JademusSreg`	`Oh, alright.`
`04:24.27`	`JademusSreg`	`Cool.`
`04:24.43`	`JademusSreg`	`I enjoy that genre.`
`04:24.49`	`Agouti`	`as for original WC3 ID`
`04:24.51`	`JademusSreg`	`When done well.`
`04:24.54`	`Agouti`	`it didn't have 1 editor per-sae`
`04:24.58`	`Sktitles`	`He didn't say it was the original wc3 creator. :p`
`04:24.59`	`Agouti`	`it's had like 8`
`04:25.06`	`JademusSreg`	`New Gen, baby.`
`04:25.15`	`Agouti`	`shrugs`
`04:25.29`	`JademusSreg`	`JNGP was my good friend.`
`04:25.49`	`Agouti`	`JNGP?`
`04:26.09`	`JademusSreg`	`Jass New Gen Pack, bundled a variety of useful tools together as extensions of the editor.`
`04:26.37`	`Agouti`	`I see`
`04:28.03`	`JademusSreg`	`Anyway, even the best cat and mouse games were pretty awfully implemented in wc3. I hope to see the bar raised for sc2.`
`04:29.49`	`Agouti`	`I appreciate any and all input :)`
`04:29.59`	`JademusSreg`	`has slain The Cconversation. JademusSreg receives 320 experience points. The Conversation has dropped 1x Potion. JademusSreg takes it.`
`04:30.21`	`Agouti`	`I don't currently have drops`
`04:30.30`	`Agouti`	`but that is on the todo list somewhere down the line`
`04:30.31`	`JademusSreg`	`Baduntsss`
`04:31.12`	`JademusSreg`	`What is the titan? What are the builders? What can they build?`
`04:31.20`	`Agouti`	`there are 6 different titans`
`04:31.24`	`Agouti`	`9 different builders`
`04:31.25`	`JademusSreg`	`And what is the setting?`
`04:31.32`	`Agouti`	`which are all fairly unique`
`04:31.36`	`Agouti`	`maybe you could just play it?`
`04:31.37`	`Agouti`	`lol`
`04:31.46`	`Agouti`	`much as I enjoy typing out everything about my map`
`04:32.06`	`JademusSreg`	`I was hoping we could establish a report. =)`
`04:32.06`	`Sktitles`	`I was thinking about making a cat n mouse once on sc2`
`04:32.15`	`Sktitles`	`I was going to have upgrades to the unit instead of minions`
`04:32.24`	`Sktitles`	`such as adding a tentacle like Uberlisk has`
`04:32.29`	`Agouti`	`haha`
`04:32.42`	`Agouti`	`half the point of minions is to let players keep playing, though`
`04:32.44`	`Sktitles`	`^ He's just jealous!`
`04:32.52`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha.`
`04:32.57`	`Agouti`	`very jelly`
`04:33.04`	`JademusSreg`	`Mmm, jelly.`
`04:33.09`	`Agouti`	`mmmm`
`04:33.12`	`Sktitles`	`Mm, Straaawberry.`
`04:33.14`	`JademusSreg`	`Strawberry preserves.`
`04:33.21`	`Agouti`	`sif strawberry`
`04:33.22`	`Sktitles`	`You go to far.`
`04:33.29`	`Agouti`	`port wine flavour >> strawberry`
`04:33.38`	`Sktitles`	`http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/project-workplace/18989-diabolical-hero-siege/#posts`
`04:33.39`	`JademusSreg`	`Mmm, red wine.`
`04:33.41`	`Agouti`	`with fruit pieces`
`04:33.47`	`Sktitles`	`my project forum if u ever wana take a peak`
`04:33.57`	`Sktitles`	`video ain't to awesome. Shows some spells off around half way in tho.`
`04:35.01`	`Agouti`	`love the environmental effects`
`04:35.17`	`Sktitles`	`whose?`
`04:35.28`	`Agouti`	`yours`
`04:35.38`	`Agouti`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:35.43`	`Agouti`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:35.46`	`Agouti`	`;)`
`04:36.08`	`Sktitles`	`oh lol`
`04:36.16`	`Sktitles`	`thansk`
`04:36.18`	`Sktitles`	`thanks`
`04:38.26`	`Sktitles`	`i have the weirdest most random bug ever.`
`04:38.40`	`Sktitles`	`it makes no sense. And I cant seem to recreate it often.`
`04:38.44`	`Sktitles`	`oh wells.`
`04:38.50`	`Sktitles`	`It's not spell ending.`
`04:38.52`	`JManV`	`i don't know, that's a stiff competition`
`04:39.02`	`Sktitles`	`mhm`
`04:39.06`	`JManV`	`i've seen a lot of freaky bugs in galaxy`
`04:39.32`	`JManV`	`wanna help me test?`
`04:39.48`	`Agouti`	`your name is still typo'd? Care?`
`04:39.52`	`Agouti`	`lol`
`04:39.53`	`JManV`	`shawn? anyone else?`
`04:40.00`	`JManV`	`poketest in NA`
`04:40.04`	`Agouti`	`sure`
`04:40.11`	`Agouti`	`lemme just finish this ability`
`04:40.28`	`Sktitles`	`hmm sure`
`04:45.42`	`JManV`	`sktits?`
`04:45.48`	`Sktitles`	`?`
`04:45.50`	`Sktitles`	`invite.`
`04:45.53`	`Sktitles`	`jmanv`
`04:55.11`	`LordAbyss`	`Hi sixen`
`04:56.15`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Matt438 (Matt@CPE0026f3966ed0-CM0026f3966ecd.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)`
`05:00.49`	`Sktitles`	`He says hi back`
`05:01.39`	`LordAbyss`	`i know he does`
`05:01.47`	`LordAbyss`	`i said his name in every channel i could find him`
`05:01.54`	`LordAbyss`	`so his pidgin would light up`
`05:01.54`	`LordAbyss`	`:D`
`05:01.57`	`JManV`	`hmmm`
`05:02.02`	`JManV`	`wonder how i did that`
`05:02.12`	`Sktitles`	`lol yep u too`
`05:02.21`	`Sktitles`	`thanks for the testing too jmanv! lolz`
`05:02.40`	`JManV`	`what do you think overall?`
`05:02.51`	`Sktitles`	`It's neat.`
`05:03.14`	`Sktitles`	`If you make combat a bit better looking, you could probably get it pretty popular`
`05:03.20`	`JManV`	`it's some where near a mid-way point. there's a long done, but a long way to go`
`05:03.45`	`JManV`	`yeah, there will be some dressing up done later`
`05:03.50`	`JManV`	`and cool abilities and such`
`05:04.06`	`JManV`	`i don't think i'll have any problems with popularity`
`05:04.31`	`JManV`	`plus you can play it 1 player`
`05:04.36`	`JManV`	`up to 8`
`05:05.32`	`Sktitles`	`mhmm`
`05:05.39`	`Sktitles`	`my biggest issue was the camera`
`05:05.42`	`JManV`	`computer's just there so that i'm not player 1 while testing`
`05:05.43`	`Sktitles`	`zealot covered the enemy up`
`05:05.48`	`JManV`	`the fight camera?`
`05:05.54`	`Sktitles`	`yeah`
`05:05.56`	`JManV`	`covered enemy up?`
`05:06.00`	`Sktitles`	`yeah?`
`05:06.01`	`JManV`	`just when attacking?`
`05:06.03`	`JManV`	`or all the time?`
`05:06.04`	`Sktitles`	`no`
`05:06.06`	`Sktitles`	`the whole time`
`05:06.16`	`Sktitles`	`was he suppose to move foward?`
`05:06.27`	`JManV`	`they should be a few paces apart`
`05:06.59`	`Sktitles`	`It looked like normal melee game space between a zealot and a zergling`
`05:07.19`	`JManV`	`that may be new. i was just messing with the combat zones`
`05:07.31`	`JManV`	`i didn't see it tho. which is weird`
`05:07.48`	`JManV`	`it was every combat?`
`05:10.03`	`JManV`	`it didn't look like this?:`
`05:10.10`	`JManV`	`http://i51.tinypic.com/6gbock.jpg`
`05:11.56`	`Sktitles`	`not even close`
`05:12.00`	`Sktitles`	`no bushes on ground`
`05:12.10`	`JManV`	`ok`
`05:12.13`	`Sktitles`	`marine and zealot were both in the middle of the view`
`05:12.17`	`JManV`	`1 tree blocking view?`
`05:12.20`	`Sktitles`	`towards the top`
`05:12.29`	`Sktitles`	`i didn't c a tree blocking anything?`
`05:12.32`	`JManV`	`ok`
`05:12.39`	`Sktitles`	`may of been trees in the background idk`
`05:12.42`	`JManV`	`so`
`05:12.50`	`JManV`	`just green ground?`
`05:12.55`	`Sktitles`	`yeah`
`05:12.59`	`JManV`	`hmm`
`05:13.10`	`JManV`	`i know what that it`
`05:13.12`	`JManV`	`is`
`05:13.15`	`Sktitles`	`nice`
`05:13.17`	`JManV`	`im not sure why it happened tho`
`05:13.22`	`Sktitles`	`=(`
`05:13.24`	`Sktitles`	`not so nice`
`05:13.30`	`JManV`	`the buildings are all generated dynamically`
`05:13.46`	`JManV`	`by buildings, i also mean encounter spots`
`05:13.59`	`JManV`	`so you saw no building at all`
`05:14.05`	`JManV`	`it generated nothing`
`05:14.10`	`JManV`	`and put you at (0,0)`
`05:14.13`	`JManV`	`both`
`05:14.30`	`Sktitles`	`uh`
`05:14.32`	`Sktitles`	`kinda`
`05:14.38`	`Sktitles`	`we didn't share the same spot`
`05:14.39`	`JManV`	`i think i know how i can replicate that`
`05:14.46`	`Sktitles`	`and I wouldn't say it was middle middle`
`05:14.49`	`Sktitles`	`but middle top`
`05:14.57`	`JManV`	`it should have been top left`
`05:15.03`	`JManV`	`and right next to each other?`
`05:15.07`	`Sktitles`	`u could just add a computer to player 2 and play as player 3`
`05:15.23`	`JManV`	`i have a computer now for a reason`
`05:15.26`	`Sktitles`	`idk what u mean by that`
`05:15.29`	`JManV`	`i can send him into combat first`
`05:15.33`	`Sktitles`	`lol`
`05:15.51`	`JManV`	`there's a text chat command to send him into combat`
`05:16.13`	`JManV`	`i've been through stuff like this before :P`
`05:16.58`	`JManV`	`hmm. nope`
`05:19.13`	`JManV`	`maybe i should add another computer`
`05:19.19`	`JManV`	`oh well`
`05:19.23`	`JManV`	`something to worry about later`
`05:19.27`	`JManV`	`time for bed`
`05:33.16`	`Sktitles`	`nite nite`
`05:45.19`	`*** join/#sc2mapster A1win^ (a1win@nikita.tnnet.fi)`
`05:51.23`	`Vexal`	`the guy that made my favorite website wants to help on my map!`
`05:53.50`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Cintiq (~cintiq@219-90-160-244.ip.adam.com.au)`
`05:56.25`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Umm.. Bruce Springsteen?`
`05:57.43`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Do I know this person Vexal?`
`05:58.59`	`Sktitles`	`lol`
`05:59.06`	`Sktitles`	`is it youtube?`
`05:59.10`	`Sktitles`	`It's youtube isn't it?`
`06:00.14`	`Vexal`	`nope`
`06:00.15`	`Vexal`	`close`
`06:00.18`	`Vexal`	`youporn.com`
`06:00.28`	`Sktitles`	`lol`
`06:00.46`	`Sktitles`	`really nows`
`06:00.49`	`Vexal`	`yeah`
`06:00.52`	`Vexal`	`i use that site way more than youtube`
`06:01.14`	`Sktitles`	`mm`
`06:01.20`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Youtube is my porn. Have you heard onetwo's voice?`
`06:01.27`	`Sktitles`	`Oh it's smexy.`
`06:02.39`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`why is there a tit in the middle of your name`
`06:03.32`	`Sktitles`	`?`
`06:03.38`	`Vexal`	`you spelled your name wrong.`
`06:03.46`	`Sktitles`	`You sure?`
`06:03.53`	`Sktitles`	`It's always been Sk tit les`
`06:04.21`	`Vexal`	`really?`
`06:04.36`	`Sktitles`	`No, plural made me do it.`
`06:04.41`	`Vexal`	`didn't think so.`
`06:04.48`	`Sktitles`	`plural Xd`
`06:04.49`	`Sktitles`	`purl`
`06:07.00`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`purl what are actor events`
`06:07.01`	`purl`	`Shawn\|Rawr: I think you lost me on that one`
`06:07.10`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`purl what is actor event`
`06:07.10`	`purl`	`Shawn\|Rawr: what are you talking about?`
`06:07.15`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`O__O`
`06:07.20`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Someone deleted it`
`06:07.35`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`purl what are events`
`06:07.36`	`purl`	`Shawn\|Rawr: what are you talking about?`
`06:07.59`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Damn.. purl was going to be our encyclopedia of terms`
`06:09.25`	`Sktitles`	`hmm`
`06:09.52`	`Sktitles`	`haha nice face tho`
`06:16.03`	`Sktitles`	`http://pastebin.com/ML9ndtQr can you guys think of anything else I may want on a projectile system?`
`06:19.59`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`acceleration?`
`06:20.15`	`Vexal`	`rigid body collisions?`
`06:20.18`	`Vexal`	`fluid dynamics.`
`06:20.32`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Flaming Cow Model`
`06:20.59`	`Sktitles`	`mm yeah accel would be good`
`06:21.06`	`Sktitles`	`so is element`
`06:21.24`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`impact effect`
`06:21.30`	`Sktitles`	`that's what element is`
`06:21.48`	`Sktitles`	`wait nvm, added them seperately`
`06:22.25`	`Sktitles`	`spacing and number of projectiles will be dealt with b4 hand`
`06:22.43`	`Sktitles`	`since you cant save a model to a parameter =(`
`06:23.52`	`Sktitles`	`oh`
`06:23.55`	`Sktitles`	`duh, point. :p`
`06:24.52`	`Sktitles`	`Thanks. I think this will doet.`
`06:24.59`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I hope it's epic`
`06:25.17`	`Sktitles`	`It shall be.`
`06:25.24`	`Sktitles`	`I actually made a similar 1 before`
`06:25.26`	`Sktitles`	`remaking it tho`
`06:25.36`	`Sktitles`	`Want it a bit different.`
`06:26.09`	`Sktitles`	`Last time I had to make a new trigger for every model different`
`06:26.17`	`Sktitles`	`model attachment w/e`
`06:26.42`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`This time you will have a flaming cow projectile on a custom made catapult model`
`06:26.51`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`That will be great`
`06:27.56`	`Sktitles`	`well`
`06:27.59`	`Sktitles`	`I do have fire`
`06:28.02`	`Sktitles`	`And I do have a cow`
`06:28.04`	`Sktitles`	`hmm`
`06:28.15`	`Sktitles`	`Nuts, I dont have a flaming cow projectile.`
`06:28.36`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Just attach the fire model to the cow model`
`06:28.48`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Then get me a catapult`
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`06:30.55`	`Sktitles`	`hmm`
`06:30.59`	`Sktitles`	`But..`
`06:31.04`	`Sktitles`	`Cows are...`
`06:31.10`	`Sktitles`	`They make ... delicious milk`
`06:31.55`	`RyanWin`	`anyone know if its possible to project the view of a camera onto a 3d flat polygon model in game?`
`06:31.56`	`RyanWin`	`lol`
`06:32.13`	`RyanWin`	`to make an in game "TV" if you will`
`06:34.15`	`Sktitles`	`u can make it seem like it`
`06:34.37`	`Sktitles`	`if the video is recorded prematurely`
`06:34.44`	`Sktitles`	`and the camera isn't moving`
`06:36.06`	`FockeWulf`	`meh you might be able to do it with dialogs`
`06:36.12`	`FockeWulf`	`but besides that your out of luck i think`
`06:36.18`	`FockeWulf`	`at least without coding new native functions`
`06:36.20`	`Sktitles`	`that's what I was saying. :`
`06:36.27`	`Sktitles`	`I know you can play a video`
`06:36.39`	`Sktitles`	`but videos are so huge.`
`06:36.40`	`Sktitles`	`Xd`
`06:36.51`	`FockeWulf`	`lol`
`06:37.02`	`FockeWulf`	`too bad you can't record and then play it all the while ingame`
`06:37.12`	`Sktitles`	`yeah`
`06:49.21`	`Vexal`	`is there an easy way to copy data editor data from one map to another`
`06:49.30`	`Vexal`	`if i try and copy and paste a behavior, it doesn't copy the linked parts.`
`06:50.12`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I can do it`
`06:51.02`	`Vexal`	`how?`
`06:51.02`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Take the XML from one map and paste it into the other`
`06:51.07`	`Vexal`	`what`
`06:51.09`	`Vexal`	`how?`
`06:51.13`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`MPQ Editor`
`06:51.19`	`Vexal`	`i need 3rd party software?`
`06:51.22`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Yes`
`06:51.24`	`Vexal`	`does it involve hunting through for stuff`
`06:51.29`	`Vexal`	`because that's a huge waste of my time.`
`06:51.29`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`It's easiest that way`
`06:51.35`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`It's not hard`
`06:51.40`	`Vexal`	`i never said it was hard`
`06:51.43`	`Vexal`	`i said it's a waste of time.`
`06:51.59`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`If you feel it would be faster to recreate it, then feel free.`
`06:52.23`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`mpq editor is the only other way I know of`
`06:52.29`	`Sktitles`	`wait`
`06:52.35`	`Sktitles`	`that doesn't work`
`06:52.40`	`Sktitles`	`completely`
`06:52.54`	`JademusSreg`	`Mrop: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/GateDemo.SC2Map`
`06:52.55`	`Sktitles`	`If you are combining data, you gotta do something special to it all.`
`06:52.58`	`Sktitles`	`cant just cnp it in`
`06:53.06`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Not when I did it`
`06:53.12`	`Sktitles`	`what did i just dl jade?`
`06:53.14`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I CnP'ed all of it`
`06:53.28`	`JademusSreg`	`If you dled it, just launch it.`
`06:53.31`	`Sktitles`	`well i think u cnp it`
`06:53.40`	`JademusSreg`	`Don't ask or you spoil the surprise.`
`06:53.42`	`Sktitles`	`but u gotta do it individually`
`06:53.46`	`Sktitles`	`not the whole data file`
`06:53.53`	`Vexal`	`hmm, actually`
`06:53.57`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`no.. you go into the xml and cnp like a mofo`
`06:54.04`	`Vexal`	`as long as i copy all the effects at the same time, i don't have to do them separately`
`06:54.12`	`Vexal`	`i just have to select all the links`
`06:54.16`	`Vexal`	`then they correctly work in the new map.`
`06:54.35`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Awesome. Glad that works for you`
`06:54.39`	`Sktitles`	`doing ur hero survival thing now?`
`06:54.42`	`Vexal`	`yeah.`
`06:54.45`	`Vexal`	`it's going to be bitching.`
`06:54.53`	`JademusSreg`	`Wakkawakka`
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`06:56.35`	`Sktitles`	`jade`
`06:56.40`	`Sktitles`	`ur map just raped me.`
`06:56.47`	`MrOp`	`me tpp`
`06:56.49`	`MrOp`	`to`
`06:56.51`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha.`
`06:56.55`	`Sktitles`	`I was like..`
`06:56.57`	`Sktitles`	`wtf?`
`06:57.01`	`Sktitles`	`What am I doing..`
`06:57.03`	`Sktitles`	`bam`
`06:57.22`	`JademusSreg`	`It's just to demo gate opening and closing for mrop.`
`06:57.31`	`Sktitles`	`oh`
`06:57.38`	`JademusSreg`	`However, I find tutorials so fucking boring, so I made the map interesting to me.`
`06:57.44`	`Sktitles`	`haah`
`06:57.54`	`Sktitles`	`so what map are u making anyway jade`
`06:58.11`	`JademusSreg`	`You go in, the minimap misleads you into thinking there's a lot of room to explore, then BAM.`
`06:58.31`	`Sktitles`	`lol`
`06:58.32`	`Sixen`	`that's fucked up`
`06:58.45`	`Sktitles`	`watch yo mouth!`
`06:58.48`	`Sixen`	`QQ`
`06:59.01`	`Sktitles`	`? You can see it?>`
`06:59.03`	`Sktitles`	`pro.`
`06:59.05`	`JademusSreg`	`This is what I've been working on lately: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/Tiberium%20Red%20Zone%20001.jpg`
`07:00.25`	`JademusSreg`	`I spent pretty much all day fixing the problem I had last night.`
`07:00.29`	`JademusSreg`	`It's fixed though.`
`07:02.49`	`JademusSreg`	`Again, all that remains is getting the tiberium to cause damage.`
`07:03.02`	`Sktitles`	`ur maps scare me so >.>`
`07:03.18`	`Sktitles`	`melee map?`
`07:04.31`	`JademusSreg`	`?`
`07:06.55`	`Sktitles`	`are you making a melee type map?`
`07:07.21`	`JademusSreg`	`Naw, I'm just making a tiberium proof of concept map.`
`07:07.43`	`JademusSreg`	`And if I enjoy it, maybe get some ideas, I might make a map with it.`
`07:08.08`	`JademusSreg`	`Though you can be certain it would not intend to emulate C&C.`
`07:08.18`	`JademusSreg`	`At least so far as gameplay is concerned.`
`07:09.00`	`Sktitles`	`brb`
`07:13.09`	`Vexal`	`apparently if you paste triggers without the data they're linked to, but paste the data later, it still correctly links them together.`
`07:13.12`	`Vexal`	`this is useful.`
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`07:14.49`	`Skittles`	`Hmm, guys. How do you know if a zergling loves you?`
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`07:14.59`	`Sixen`	`you'll know.`
`07:15.05`	`Skittles`	`Hmm.`
`07:15.06`	`JademusSreg`	`It becomes flush and humps your leg?`
`07:15.09`	`Skittles`	`Making a youtube video.`
`07:15.12`	`Skittles`	`It's gonna be epic.`
`07:15.16`	`onetwo`	`sup Sixen`
`07:15.22`	`Sixen`	`hai2u unodos`
`07:15.24`	`Skittles`	`I have them jumping all around me atm.`
`07:15.31`	`Skittles`	`Guess I can go, I tried shooting them..`
`07:15.35`	`Skittles`	`Tried nuking them..`
`07:15.51`	`Skittles`	`Then... I tried triggering them..`
`07:15.54`	`Skittles`	`lol`
`07:16.20`	`JademusSreg`	`pretends to know what's going on.`
`07:16.24`	`Skittles`	`xd`
`07:16.41`	`JademusSreg`	`That's very interesting. Stuff, you say? I find stuff darn swell.`
`07:21.22`	`Skittles`	`onetwo`
`07:21.36`	`onetwo`	`sup M&M cousin`
`07:21.39`	`Skittles`	`do you know how to extend the length of something I wrote in windows movie maker?`
`07:21.57`	`Skittles`	`-.- M&M's are black. I'm white on the inside.`
`07:22.25`	`onetwo`	`lol`
`07:22.25`	`Skittles`	`I can drag it to extend the frame... but the text dissapears? XD`
`07:22.32`	`onetwo`	`skittles = tastier cousin of m&m`
`07:22.41`	`Skittles`	`it only lasts 5 seconds then goes black for w/e i dragged it`
`07:22.44`	`onetwo`	`sorry i totally forget windows movie maker`
`07:23.11`	`Skittles`	`xd`
`07:25.49`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`onetwo, are you busy?`
`07:26.07`	`onetwo`	`for a little bit, whats up`
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`07:28.40`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`http://dl.dropbox.com/u/21183610/Mini_Tutorial_Collection.SC2Map`
`07:29.24`	`onetwo`	`?`
`07:29.29`	`onetwo`	`cant i approve of it from afar?`
`07:29.30`	`onetwo`	`lol`
`07:29.49`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`No, i havent made a video yet`
`07:29.55`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Its cool, just open and hit test`
`07:30.13`	`onetwo`	`in a bit`
`07:32.06`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I just want the tutorial master's approval :<`
`07:32.11`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`:P`
`07:35.07`	`onetwo`	`lol`
`07:35.17`	`onetwo`	`you will address me as king tutorial master`
`07:35.19`	`onetwo`	`PEASANT`
`07:35.36`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha.`
`07:38.54`	`onetwo`	`hAHAHA`
`07:39.17`	`onetwo`	`stephen colbert is fighting with jimmy fallon over their custom ben&jerrys flavors`
`07:39.25`	`onetwo`	`jimmy shows up on colbert's set to fight`
`07:39.34`	`onetwo`	`then colbert calls in john stewart to back him up`
`07:39.39`	`onetwo`	`but jay leno doesnt show up to help out jimmy`
`07:39.40`	`onetwo`	`hahah`
`07:40.27`	`JademusSreg`	`Mmm, ice cream.`
`07:42.39`	`Skittles`	`haha this is going to be epic`
`07:43.15`	`Skittles`	`brb again`
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`07:49.54`	`onetwo`	`man i think charlie sheen is brilliant... never has someone articulated how i feel about winning so well`
`07:49.57`	`onetwo`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTEuLeh5JOI&feature=related#t=0m13s`
`07:50.22`	`onetwo`	`its all about winning for me`
`07:53.47`	`onetwo`	`hey Shawn your tutorial collection is definitely a win`
`07:53.53`	`onetwo`	`aside from the first one having a super long sentence`
`07:53.56`	`onetwo`	`shorten it down`
`07:54.11`	`onetwo`	`afk`
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`08:01.06`	`Skittles`	`muahahah`
`08:01.09`	`Skittles`	`finished my movie`
`08:01.19`	`Skittles`	`onetwo does it matter what time you release a video on youtube you think?`
`08:02.11`	`Skittles`	`brb`
`08:05.42`	`Skittles`	`sixen did u go to bed yet?`
`08:06.03`	`LordAbyss`	`na`
`08:06.06`	`LordAbyss`	`he is still up`
`08:06.15`	`Sixen`	`going right now actually`
`08:07.36`	`Skittles`	`aw'`
`08:07.40`	`Skittles`	`well i need to add music anyway`
`08:07.45`	`Sixen`	`lol, what's up`
`08:08.10`	`Sixen`	`if it's a video, PM it to me on mapster`
`08:08.12`	`Sixen`	`i'll check it in the mornin`
`08:08.15`	`JademusSreg`	`Hm.`
`08:08.19`	`Skittles`	`kk`
`08:08.28`	`JademusSreg`	`I managed to lock up the game.`
`08:08.30`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha.`
`08:09.42`	`*** part/#sc2mapster LordAbyss (~Christoph@150.135.211.242)`
`08:11.11`	`Skittles`	`lol`
`08:11.38`	`JademusSreg`	`It locks up and the memory footprint just keeps growing.`
`08:12.09`	`Skittles`	`mmkay`
`08:12.14`	`Skittles`	`what is ur game tho/`
`08:12.21`	`Skittles`	`You just showed me green minerals. Xd`
`08:13.22`	`JademusSreg`	`What do you mean "what is [my] game"?`
`08:15.07`	`JademusSreg`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiberium#Conception`
`08:17.38`	`onetwo_winning_s`	`damnit`
`08:17.49`	`onetwo_winning`	`limit is too small`
`08:18.02`	`JademusSreg`	`I'm attempting to determine how I might regulate the duration rather than the damage by buff stack count. I appears applying a count of -1 to a buff kills the game.`
`08:21.02`	`onetwo_winning`	`if youre a winner youll figure it out`
`08:21.29`	`JademusSreg`	`Sheenism.`
`08:23.19`	`onetwo_winning`	`its not about sheenism`
`08:23.21`	`onetwo_winning`	`its about winning`
`08:23.22`	`JademusSreg`	`Stacking causes the damage to stack, which is not desirable.`
`08:23.54`	`onetwo_winning`	`use 2 diff buffs`
`08:24.02`	`onetwo_winning`	`^ thats a winning idea`
`08:24.39`	`JademusSreg`	`Hm.`
`08:25.38`	`JademusSreg`	`Naw, I don't see how it would work.`
`08:25.59`	`Skittles`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1quXMlgSmQ audio's pending, but whatcha think?`
`08:26.25`	`JademusSreg`	`I wonder why the fuck we can't decrement buff count or, if we can, where that capability is located.`
`08:27.18`	`onetwo_winning`	`mexican jumplings`
`08:27.22`	`onetwo_winning`	`^ winning name`
`08:27.32`	`onetwo_winning`	`uh jade`
`08:27.33`	`onetwo_winning`	`just add -1`
`08:27.36`	`onetwo_winning`	`^ winner`
`08:27.50`	`onetwo_winning`	`oops`
`08:27.52`	`onetwo_winning`	`< winner`
`08:27.52`	`onetwo_winning`	`there`
`08:27.54`	`JademusSreg`	`Tried. Locks up the game.`
`08:28.00`	`onetwo_winning`	`count of -1`
`08:28.04`	`onetwo_winning`	`or adding -1`
`08:28.11`	`onetwo_winning`	`checking that is >= 0`
`08:28.27`	`Skittles`	`I was thinking of calling them Mexican Jumping Beans`
`08:28.35`	`onetwo_winning`	`lol`
`08:28.50`	`JademusSreg`	`Tried. Locks up the game. Which is to say I use an Apply Behavior effect that does precisely that. It locks up the game forevah.`
`08:28.59`	`Skittles`	`u should like my video onetwo. =D`
`08:30.03`	`onetwo_winning`	`fine i did`
`08:30.08`	`Skittles`	`=D`
`08:30.24`	`Skittles`	`how long does a audio swap take?`
`08:31.05`	`onetwo_winning`	`no idea`
`08:31.38`	`Skittles`	`Xd`
`08:31.43`	`Skittles`	`I picked the wrong song too Xd`
`08:31.59`	`Vexal`	`hello.`
`08:32.07`	`Skittles`	`hi`
`08:32.44`	`Skittles`	`this u vex? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8qTg-Ta13Q`
`08:33.19`	`onetwo_winning`	`lol`
`08:33.26`	`Skittles`	`has his name lol`
`08:36.38`	`Skittles`	`So, this nerd boyï»¿ is vexal? -sc2debates`
`08:36.39`	`Skittles`	`lol`
`08:39.29`	`Vexal`	`uh, yeah, that's me`
`08:39.33`	`Vexal`	`what about it..`
`08:39.51`	`JademusSreg`	`I enjoyed it.`
`08:39.57`	`Skittles`	`yeah good song`
`08:40.01`	`Vexal`	`thanks..`
`08:40.04`	`Skittles`	`or tune or w/e u call it`
`08:40.07`	`onetwo_winning`	`additional generic cop compliment`
`08:40.13`	`JademusSreg`	`Hah.`
`08:40.16`	`Vexal`	`score one for the team`
`08:40.20`	`Vexal`	`you really nailed him`
`08:40.27`	`Skittles`	`Hmm?`
`08:40.40`	`Skittles`	`but uh`
`08:40.49`	`Skittles`	`what about that idea that one commentor had?`
`08:40.54`	`Vexal`	`which?`
`08:41.07`	`Skittles`	`He said hook up ur lights to a internet button so we can all turn it off and on`
`08:41.18`	`Vexal`	`i did that for a little while`
`08:41.22`	`Vexal`	`my dad thought it was a fire hazard.`
`08:41.23`	`onetwo_winning`	`that is a winning idea`
`08:41.26`	`Skittles`	`lol`
`08:41.37`	`Skittles`	`probably was tbh`
`08:41.46`	`Vexal`	`i was very careful.`
`08:41.51`	`Vexal`	`i didn't put any fires next to it.`
`08:42.10`	`Skittles`	`Well, I can't say that's a bad idea.`
`08:44.16`	`Skittles`	`lol youtube finished the audio swap. I got the ads, but no damn audio. lol`
`08:45.46`	`onetwo_winning`	`ill never get how you guys get ads on your vids`
`08:45.56`	`onetwo_winning`	`and im still trying to get partnership 6 months`
`08:45.57`	`onetwo_winning`	`lol`
`08:48.08`	`Vexal`	`don't want ads.`
`08:49.48`	`Skittles`	`lol`
`08:49.55`	`Skittles`	`You get ads for putting audio on a video`
`08:50.02`	`Skittles`	`u dont get any of the money tho`
`08:50.19`	`onetwo_winning`	`oh`
`08:50.19`	`onetwo_winning`	`shitty`
`08:50.54`	`Skittles`	`yeah`
`08:51.09`	`Skittles`	`partnership adds ads, but you do get some of the profit`
`08:51.24`	`Skittles`	`you dont get video ads from audio i dont think tho`
`08:52.22`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`ROAR`
`08:54.32`	`JademusSreg`	`Woof`
`08:56.13`	`Skittles`	`how does 1 turn collision off with triggers?`
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`08:58.39`	`Vexal`	`you can't control ads if you use copyrighted content`
`08:58.42`	`Vexal`	`but you can if you don't.`
`08:59.11`	`Vexal`	`i personally feel i'm taking advantage of viewers if i have ads.`
`08:59.43`	`Skittles`	`they get a song out of it.`
`09:00.00`	`Vexal`	`i mean if i make money.`
`09:00.00`	`Skittles`	`not to mention, it took time to make.`
`09:00.03`	`Skittles`	`oh`
`09:00.08`	`Skittles`	`eh depends`
`09:00.16`	`Skittles`	`if it's like... a series... then maybe`
`09:00.36`	`Skittles`	`for instance, if im paying money to make the video, then I would like ads`
`09:01.22`	`Vexal`	`i wouldn't.`
`09:01.29`	`Vexal`	`i hate when i see ads.`
`09:02.28`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`onetwo, you like flaming cows?`
`09:02.43`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`awww`
`09:02.45`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`he left`
`09:04.33`	`Skittles`	`shawn`
`09:04.39`	`Skittles`	`do u know how to get rid of collision`
`09:04.43`	`Skittles`	`via behavior/tirggers`
`09:04.45`	`Skittles`	`triggers`
`09:05.50`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`umm.. not exactly`
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`09:10.13`	`Skittles`	`think i found it`
`09:11.54`	`Skittles`	`LMAO`
`09:11.57`	`Skittles`	`HAAHAHAHAHHA`
`09:12.03`	`Skittles`	`My zerglings..`
`09:12.05`	`Skittles`	`they uh`
`09:12.13`	`Skittles`	`i had it attach an actor to my guys head`
`09:12.17`	`Skittles`	`and well..`
`09:12.21`	`Skittles`	`that worked`
`09:12.34`	`Skittles`	`but it attached like 50 zerglings to it`
`09:12.41`	`Skittles`	`so now it's like a train on his head of zerglings`
`09:13.31`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`They love him too much`
`09:14.11`	`Skittles`	`indeed!`
`09:19.47`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`i love making myself look smarter than onetwo`
`09:19.56`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`>:o`
`09:21.11`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I answered a question in his video comments that he didnt know the answer to`
`09:21.12`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`muahhahaha`
`09:21.19`	`Skittles`	`hmm?`
`09:21.22`	`Skittles`	`lol`
`09:21.41`	`Skittles`	`so fen dumb`
`09:21.47`	`Skittles`	`I get the video ads for adding music`
`09:21.51`	`Skittles`	`but no fucken music`
`09:25.39`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`take dat sheet off`
`09:25.52`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`or not.. i ont care`
`09:26.02`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I just wanted to be angry for a second`
`09:28.57`	`Skittles`	`mk`
`09:29.30`	`Skittles`	`how big do u think a zergling is?`
`09:29.33`	`Skittles`	`1 ?`
`09:29.37`	`Skittles`	`.8?`
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`09:48.30`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Like... radius?`
`09:48.49`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`skittles`
`09:49.04`	`Skittles`	`yeah`
`09:49.11`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`.325`
`09:49.17`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`iirc`
`09:49.17`	`Skittles`	`oh wow that's it?`
`09:49.33`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`i think that is what all small units are`
`09:49.40`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`marine, zealot, etc`
`09:52.05`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`why do you need to knwo that?`
`09:52.33`	`Skittles`	`<PROTECTED>`
`09:52.38`	`Agouti`	`oh woops`
`09:52.45`	`Skittles`	`why doesn't that work with something I attached to my unit?`
`09:52.48`	`Agouti`	`I keep forgetting irc is minimized <)<`
`09:52.50`	`Skittles`	`changing the scale works`
`09:52.50`	`Agouti`	`>_>`
`09:53.04`	`Skittles`	`cause my zerglings can jump on your head now. =D`
`09:53.13`	`Agouti`	`wooh`
`09:53.16`	`Skittles`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1quXMlgSmQ`
`09:53.22`	`Agouti`	`ty ty`
`09:53.25`	`Skittles`	`still no fucken music.`
`09:53.30`	`Skittles`	`But they gave me ads`
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`09:55.07`	`Hati`	`the music is not the real one :( ?`
`09:55.11`	`Skittles`	`?`
`09:55.15`	`Skittles`	`can u hear music?`
`09:55.19`	`Hati`	`yeah`
`09:55.21`	`Agouti`	`haha they look like little grass hoppers`
`09:55.22`	`Skittles`	`I cant @.@`
`09:55.27`	`Agouti`	`I only heard SC2 music`
`09:55.31`	`Hati`	`starts with "hhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh"`
`09:55.37`	`Skittles`	`yeah, that was before I let them stop jumping and land on me and stuff`
`09:55.44`	`Skittles`	`lol, first test, I didn't know actors could stack on top of each other`
`09:55.55`	`Skittles`	`so I had like 1000000000 zerglings linked together on my head`
`09:55.56`	`*** part/#sc2mapster Agouti (~Agouti@60-240-2-243.tpgi.com.au)`
`09:56.06`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Agouti (~Agouti@60-240-2-243.tpgi.com.au)`
`09:56.17`	`Skittles`	`u guys should like the vid =D`
`09:56.18`	`Agouti`	`I don't know how you did it`
`09:56.23`	`Agouti`	`q_q`
`09:56.42`	`Skittles`	`oh i had to make it hd to hear the music`
`09:56.46`	`Hati`	`adblock ?`
`09:57.05`	`Hati`	`no i watch on 360p`
`09:57.10`	`Hati`	`and have music :x`
`09:57.20`	`Skittles`	`frraps makes me lose 150 fps`
`09:57.31`	`Skittles`	`yeah, i guess i had 360 p saved the audio cookie or something`
`09:57.32`	`Hati`	`VLC`
`09:57.38`	`Skittles`	`vlc?`
`09:57.50`	`Hati`	`http://www.videolan.org/vlc/`
`09:58.02`	`Hati`	`can record too`
`09:58.04`	`Skittles`	`but that's a player?`
`09:58.05`	`Skittles`	`oh?`
`09:58.11`	`Skittles`	`That came with my computer too`
`09:58.31`	`Skittles`	`what quality does it record in?`
`09:58.39`	`Skittles`	`and is it fullscreen?`
`09:59.00`	`Hati`	`you can determinate what screen to record; have no much experience with it ... but i know it can record`
`10:00.11`	`Agouti`	`arg!`
`10:00.22`	`Agouti`	`loading units as cargo breaks timed life`
`10:00.23`	`Agouti`	`qq`
`10:00.32`	`Skittles`	`mk`
`10:00.34`	`Skittles`	`ty`
`10:00.41`	`Skittles`	`wait, why is it better then fraps then?`
`10:00.42`	`Agouti`	`as in`
`10:00.51`	`Agouti`	`oh never mind`
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`10:00.55`	`Skittles`	`it breaks buffs in general/`
`10:00.56`	`Skittles`	`?`
`10:00.57`	`Agouti`	`grumbles`
`10:01.08`	`Skittles`	`my timed lifes just do a bunch of damage to the unit. =D`
`10:01.15`	`Agouti`	`nah, just if the timed life expires while they are loaded, it gets removed but the unit lives`
`10:01.27`	`Agouti`	`units which are loaded can't take damage?`
`10:01.48`	`Agouti`	`are you sure that works for loaded units?`
`10:01.56`	`Agouti`	`if so I will award you +3 hugs`
`10:02.13`	`Skittles`	`nope not sure`
`10:02.50`	`Skittles`	`it's just the ghetto way I found out how to do timed life. =D`
`10:03.09`	`Agouti`	`you know you can just add the Kill flag to an effect`
`10:03.13`	`Agouti`	`and it will always kill the unit?`
`10:03.22`	`Agouti`	`FieldTimed Life Fate`
`10:03.22`	`Agouti`	`Effect - FlagsKill, No Kill Credit`
`10:03.47`	`Skittles`	`>.>`
`10:03.52`	`Skittles`	`Ofc I knew that!`
`10:04.08`	`Skittles`	`did u know i can make zerglings jump?`
`10:04.09`	`Skittles`	`lol`
`10:04.12`	`Agouti`	`I knew it could be done`
`10:04.17`	`Agouti`	`but I am not worthy of doing it`
`10:04.26`	`Agouti`	`only the mighty skittles could do it Q_Q`
`10:04.43`	`Skittles`	`true dat`
`10:04.50`	`Agouti`	`any chance of getting a look at the .sc2map? :D`
`10:06.56`	`Hati`	`lalala 1hour compile time`
`10:07.38`	`Skittles`	`hmm`
`10:07.39`	`Skittles`	`no`
`10:07.51`	`Skittles`	`There's a tutorial some where named face hugger on sc2mapster`
`10:07.55`	`Skittles`	`he did it with data i think`
`10:08.27`	`Agouti`	`yes`
`10:08.42`	`Agouti`	`lol Hati`
`10:08.53`	`Agouti`	`never mind I fixed my timed life problem anyway`
`10:08.58`	`Skittles`	`k`
`10:09.12`	`Agouti`	`just added another behaviour which periodically kills the unit if it has no timed life`
`10:09.14`	`Agouti`	`problem solved`
`10:09.23`	`Agouti`	`it dies as soon as it exits the transport :D`
`10:10.05`	`Skittles`	`lol`
`10:15.19`	`Skittles`	`i can imagine all of them dying`
`10:15.24`	`Skittles`	`some one getting scared of a drop`
`10:15.26`	`Skittles`	`bam its all dead`
`10:16.40`	`Agouti`	`haha`
`10:16.55`	`Agouti`	`well there aren't drops per-sae`
`10:17.05`	`Agouti`	`but there are nydus worms`
`10:17.14`	`Agouti`	`the units in questions are zombie type things`
`10:17.21`	`Agouti`	`if the kill anything they spawn another`
`10:17.37`	`Agouti`	`but they use transfered timed life, so they all die 60 seconds after the first was raised`
`10:17.57`	`Agouti`	`however if they are put into a canal, with some trickery to actually get both owned by the one player`
`10:18.03`	`Agouti`	`then it doesn't run out`
`10:18.12`	`Agouti`	`and it's possible to get a massive massive army`
`10:23.50`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`agouti, are you here stay?`
`10:24.06`	`Agouti`	`probably, unless my housemate decides that minecraft is to be played`
`10:24.07`	`Agouti`	`;)`
`10:24.26`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Awesome. You can help out then`
`10:24.35`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Did you see the flaming cow?`
`10:24.39`	`Skittles`	`oh yeah`
`10:24.40`	`Agouti`	`:o`
`10:24.41`	`Agouti`	`I did not`
`10:24.45`	`Skittles`	`we had a server didnt we agouti`
`10:24.51`	`Skittles`	`flaming cow?`
`10:24.52`	`Agouti`	`yup`
`10:24.57`	`Agouti`	`still got the map somewhere maybe`
`10:25.02`	`Skittles`	`haha`
`10:25.11`	`Skittles`	`i played for quite awhile actually`
`10:25.26`	`Skittles`	`I disaprove of notch, but I like minecraft. =D`
`10:25.38`	`Agouti`	`haha`
`10:25.39`	`Agouti`	`+1`
`10:25.50`	`Agouti`	`ew`
`10:25.59`	`Agouti`	`that is actually a bit disgusting`
`10:26.00`	`Skittles`	`?`
`10:26.05`	`Agouti`	`even by SC2 zerg standards`
`10:26.19`	`Agouti`	`nydus worm rapidly spitting out a horde of units`
`10:26.24`	`Agouti`	`all of which die immediately`
`10:26.27`	`Skittles`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1quXMlgSmQ`
`10:26.29`	`Skittles`	`whoops`
`10:26.51`	`Skittles`	`why dont these two messages change the actor?`
`10:26.51`	`Skittles`	`<PROTECTED>`
`10:26.59`	`Skittles`	`changing tint color and scale works @.@`
`10:27.01`	`Agouti`	`I have no idea`
`10:27.04`	`Agouti`	`www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jr06ektI0k`
`10:29.31`	`Skittles`	`asians are weird.`
`10:29.41`	`Agouti`	`*awesome`
`10:29.52`	`Agouti`	`I love the animation style, though`
`10:29.57`	`Agouti`	`except the cat is poorly done`
`10:30.17`	`Agouti`	`and I wouldn't group all of asia together`
`10:31.47`	`Skittles`	`was just kidding`
`10:31.50`	`Skittles`	`weird vid tho`
`10:32.12`	`Agouti`	`japanese are quite, quite strange`
`10:32.24`	`Skittles`	`yeah`
`10:32.38`	`Skittles`	`The women sound like chew toys too`
`10:32.43`	`Agouti`	`or at least, they have the highest percentage of weirdness per capita`
`10:32.55`	`Skittles`	`squeak squeak squeak`
`10:33.03`	`Agouti`	`shh you`
`10:33.06`	`Skittles`	`lol`
`10:33.12`	`Skittles`	`im just saying..`
`10:33.20`	`Skittles`	`I wanted to porn, but couldn't stop laughing my ass off`
`10:33.23`	`Agouti`	`I am a smidgeon of an anime fanboy though`
`10:33.42`	`Skittles`	`eh, all good.`
`10:33.46`	`Agouti`	`in that for most I always whatch subbed, not dubbed`
`10:34.02`	`Skittles`	`well dubbed does suck once u hear subbed`
`10:34.07`	`Agouti`	`I don't watch non-mainstream stuff though`
`10:34.15`	`Agouti`	`I don't know what it is about hollywood`
`10:34.21`	`Agouti`	`but they seem to fail at dubbing`
`10:34.35`	`Agouti`	`a lot of high budget movies get voice acted just fine`
`10:34.46`	`Agouti`	`oh god`
`10:34.52`	`Agouti`	`avatar: the last air bender`
`10:34.55`	`Agouti`	`what a travesty`
`10:35.04`	`Agouti`	`the anime was pretty awesome`
`10:35.11`	`Agouti`	`the movie was just so awful`
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`10:38.07`	`Skittles`	`"Hello, Great job!! All of your videos in this channel are really enjoyable. I love those videos. Hope we will find more interesting videos in your channel. And you also must check out sub4sub.com to get lots of subscribers. "`
`10:38.09`	`Skittles`	`;p;`
`10:38.11`	`Skittles`	`lol`
`10:38.20`	`Skittles`	`not all my videos are awesome... so...`
`10:38.37`	`Skittles`	`and sub4sub is pretty douchey.`
`10:38.41`	`Agouti`	`yay spam`
`10:38.48`	`Skittles`	`?`
`10:38.55`	`Skittles`	`U agreeing that not all my videos are amazing?`
`10:39.05`	`Skittles`	`so how good was the zerg thing really?`
`10:40.21`	`Agouti`	`any comment which has a URL in it on youtube is by definition spam`
`10:40.35`	`Agouti`	`lol`
`10:40.37`	`Skittles`	`wasn't a comment`
`10:40.37`	`Skittles`	`it was a pm`
`10:40.38`	`Skittles`	`lol`
`10:40.48`	`Skittles`	`so how good was the video in all honesty/`
`10:41.06`	`Skittles`	`1-5`
`10:41.48`	`Skittles`	`brb`
`10:42.36`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`He left so he doesnt have to know the trith`
`10:42.39`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`truth*`
`10:43.07`	`Agouti`	`um`
`10:43.12`	`Agouti`	`about a 2`
`10:43.15`	`Agouti`	`I"m sorry`
`10:43.31`	`Agouti`	`the jumping lings were neat but it was a bit slow for the content and no music made me qq`
`10:43.48`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Agouti, will you be able to help out mr op this weekend in my absence?`
`10:43.56`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`He is making a really interesting map`
`10:43.57`	`Agouti`	`wha?`
`10:44.04`	`Agouti`	`who is this person you speak of`
`10:44.14`	`Agouti`	`and how can I steal credit for his awesomeness`
`10:44.43`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`mrop, say hi to my friend agouti`
`10:44.48`	`Skittles`	`it has music tho?`
`10:44.55`	`Agouti`	`not for me skit`
`10:45.45`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Hm.. he isnt answering`
`10:46.13`	`MrOp`	`hi`
`10:46.14`	`Skittles`	`lol`
`10:46.37`	`Agouti`	`oh there we go`
`10:46.39`	`Agouti`	`o hai`
`10:46.57`	`Skittles`	`http://www.youtube.com/my_videos?feature=mhum anybody else not getting sound?`
`10:47.30`	`Agouti`	`nobody will even get a video`
`10:47.31`	`Agouti`	`lol`
`10:47.36`	`Agouti`	`re-read that URL ;)`
`10:48.48`	`Skittles`	`url?`
`10:48.56`	`Skittles`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1quXMlgSmQ`
`10:48.57`	`Skittles`	`xd`
`11:04.01`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Cintiq (~cintiq@219-90-160-244.ip.adam.com.au)`
`11:07.27`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Helral\|Work (~BenZegvel@217-19-29-249.dsl.cambrium.nl)`
`11:19.18`	`*** join/#sc2mapster airtonix (~T_T@unaffiliated/airtonix)`
`11:39.21`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`We need 2 people from US`
`11:39.25`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Soon`
`11:39.37`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Err.. North America server`
`11:42.12`	`Skittles`	`for?`
`11:42.43`	`Helral\|Work`	`meows`
`11:42.50`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Map test`
`11:42.52`	`Dekar`	`howls`
`11:43.16`	`Helral\|Work`	`attempts to howl but meows instead`
`11:44.25`	`Skittles`	`k`
`11:44.27`	`Skittles`	`just buzz me`
`11:44.56`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`awesome thx`
`11:44.59`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`need one more`
`11:45.06`	`Helral\|Work`	`don't look at me ;p`
`11:45.15`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`stares at helral`
`11:45.23`	`Helral\|Work`	`stares back`
`11:45.37`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`squints`
`11:45.39`	`Helral\|Work`	`meows and continues staring.`
`11:45.53`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`touches his tongue to his nose`
`11:46.07`	`Helral\|Work`	`swipes at Shawn\|Rawr and continues staring.`
`11:46.35`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`dodges and continues staring while backing up towards a rake`
`11:47.21`	`MrOp`	`anyone want to help test`
`11:47.23`	`MrOp`	`i need 2 people`
`11:47.27`	`Helral\|Work`	`drops a laserpen on the floor in front of him (supplied a long time ago by Arthas ;p )`
`11:47.32`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`we have skit.. we need one more`
`11:47.37`	`MrOp`	`skittles`
`11:47.43`	`MrOp`	`can you help test please`
`11:47.45`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`he is helping`
`11:47.48`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`>.>`
`11:47.49`	`MrOp`	`yea`
`11:47.50`	`MrOp`	`XD`
`11:48.07`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`gets one hand on the rake`
`11:48.46`	`Helral\|Work`	`drains the laserpens energy`
`11:50.05`	`Helral\|Work`	`meows`
`11:50.19`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`rushes towards Helral\|Work, holding the rake high`
`11:50.36`	`Helral\|Work`	`vaporizes the rake before Shawn\|Rawr reaches him, using his laser eyes`
`11:51.13`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`trips and falls on his face, landing right in front of helral`
`11:59.50`	`Skittles`	`mmm`
`11:59.55`	`MrOp`	`shawn you ready`
`12:00.07`	`MrOp`	`i think i am ready to test now`
`12:02.27`	`Skittles`	`is this the same test as shawns?`
`12:04.31`	`Skittles`	`mrop`
`12:04.39`	`MrOp`	`er`
`12:04.46`	`MrOp`	`no its my map`
`12:05.35`	`MrOp`	`i think he wanted you look at his tut maps`
`12:06.10`	`Skittles`	`oh`
`12:06.34`	`Skittles`	`let me finish this test real fast`
`12:06.38`	`MrOp`	`np`
`12:06.48`	`MrOp`	`i am fixing stuff still anyway`
`12:06.50`	`MrOp`	`^^`
`12:07.36`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`lol skittles.. i did recruit you to look at his map`
`12:07.41`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`we've been working on it for hours`
`12:08.01`	`Skittles`	`oh`
`12:10.40`	`Skittles`	`k guess im rdy`
`12:12.43`	`MrOp`	`ok shawn friend is fix a key trigger so once thats done i wil lpublish`
`12:12.53`	`MrOp`	`and my new friend XD`
`12:13.05`	`MrOp`	`you want to join us in vent`
`12:14.04`	`Skittles`	`me? no, probably wont work`
`12:14.42`	`MrOp`	`no i found the problem`
`12:14.48`	`MrOp`	`i was mutting everyone`
`12:14.57`	`MrOp`	`so your mic was not the problem lol`
`12:15.02`	`MrOp`	`jump in and test it`
`12:15.05`	`MrOp`	`XD`
`12:16.21`	`Skittles`	`XD`
`12:16.26`	`Skittles`	`info?`
`12:16.41`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`cowboy.hidef-voice.com`
`12:16.44`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`port 5214`
`12:17.00`	`Hati`	`<_<`
`12:17.04`	`Hati`	`again 1hour build time`
`12:17.34`	`Skittles`	`nice`
`12:17.48`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`hati, are you NA?`
`12:17.52`	`Hati`	`no`
`12:18.09`	`Skittles`	`im in chat, but im just listening cause it's 6 20 am here`
`12:18.35`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`They are just map talking`
`12:18.38`	`Hati`	`Shawn\|Rawr: why?`
`12:18.41`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Testing`
`12:18.43`	`Skittles`	`mhmm`
`12:18.49`	`Agouti`	`www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jr06ektI0k`
`12:18.55`	`Agouti`	`^ click for awesome`
`12:19.03`	`Agouti`	`though I think you have watched already`
`12:19.06`	`Agouti`	`skittles`
`12:19.12`	`Skittles`	`?`
`12:19.20`	`Skittles`	`yeah i hav`
`12:19.23`	`Skittles`	`its purp`
`12:19.25`	`Agouti`	`I could also be getting my IM's mixed up`
`12:19.35`	`Agouti`	`xfire + msn + IRC + confusing`
`12:20.59`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Dont you hate that it has one spelling mistake?`
`12:21.15`	`Agouti`	`shoud`
`12:21.17`	`Agouti`	`yes`
`12:21.23`	`Agouti`	`I notice it every time I watch it lol`
`12:21.25`	`Agouti`	`and the u`
`12:21.46`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`that one doesnt bother me so much because it was on prupose`
`12:21.54`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`purpose*`
`12:22.07`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`oh no.. my typing is going to hell cuz im tired`
`12:43.30`	`Helral\|Work`	`meows`
`12:45.53`	`airtonix`	`Fisker: i will destroy you`
`12:52.13`	`Skizot`	`Helral\|Work`
`12:52.25`	`Skizot`	`i have an awesome model for you random dungeon map!`
`12:52.36`	`Buze`	`hello everyone, noob question : in triggers, i can change minerals or vespene for each players, is there anyway i can change theactual psi limit (not the 200 one)`
`12:53.12`	`Buze`	`(ie give 8 supply when a player is supply block)`
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`12:54.09`	`Agouti`	`yes`
`12:54.15`	`Agouti`	`it is possible`
`12:54.20`	`Agouti`	`how, I'm not sure`
`12:55.03`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I imagine you can change their main building's given supplies, that would assume that they always have one`
`12:55.33`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Or if they have a dummy unit somewhere, you can change the given supplies of that`
`12:56.11`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`agouti, imma leave vent.. maybe lay down for a bit`
`12:56.25`	`Agouti`	`kk`
`12:56.27`	`Agouti`	`me too then`
`12:56.30`	`Buze`	`okay, have to do it with units`
`12:56.41`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Thats the only way i knowof`
`12:56.46`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`There might be a different way`
`12:57.21`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`but you could give the player a critter or something dumb and just hide it off in a corner`
`12:57.38`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`or out of view entirely`
`12:58.19`	`Buze`	`okay`
`12:58.39`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Helral\|Work: You know how to work catalogs?`
`12:59.07`	`Buze`	`i was wondering what does mean "limite des rÃ©serves" in the action "modify player properties" like vespene, terrazin, minerals...)`
`12:59.25`	`Buze`	`limite des rÃ©serves (french galaxy)`
`12:59.36`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`If that is supply limit, then it means the 200 max supply count`
`13:00.07`	`Buze`	`that makes sense`
`13:00.25`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`with that you could allow people to go 300/300 on supply`
`13:00.35`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Would be horribly laggy imo, but possible`
`13:00.36`	`Buze`	`wished there was a simple way as minerals`
`13:00.50`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Ya, idk really, sry`
`13:00.56`	`Buze`	`back to noob work, thanks !`
`13:02.49`	`Buze`	`(btw tested : if you substract 100 minerals to a player who has 50, it stays on 50, dont go zero or negative)`
`13:05.12`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Buze, can i get a noob's perspective on something? You would need to open and test a map i made.`
`13:06.30`	`Buze`	`yeah, bnet or local`
`13:06.32`	`Buze`	`?`
`13:06.51`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`http://dl.dropbox.com/u/21183610/Mini_Tutorial_Collection.SC2Map`
`13:06.53`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`local`
`13:07.53`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`btw, if you ever do group projects, dropbox is a godsend`
`13:08.15`	`Skittles`	`yeah not bad`
`13:08.27`	`Buze`	`theres a ghost hitting a rock`
`13:08.40`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`It's the behavior part that is important lol`
`13:08.42`	`Skittles`	`shawn\|Rawr`
`13:09.01`	`Skittles`	`do you know how to make a blank missle launch from 1 unit to the other via data`
`13:09.16`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`from a weapon?`
`13:09.20`	`Skittles`	`idk`
`13:09.29`	`Skittles`	`if i can do it from an effect that would be better`
`13:09.51`	`Buze`	`great job shawn !`
`13:09.59`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`flaming cows ftw`
`13:10.11`	`Skittles`	`?`
`13:10.14`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Thx, i'm trying to get a lot more done soon`
`13:10.15`	`Buze`	`i'll go to your code get some ideas`
`13:10.17`	`Skittles`	`screenshot or it never happened`
`13:10.41`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`wait for it..`
`13:10.49`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/4415/flamecow.jpg`
`13:11.09`	`Buze`	`was looking for a way to click an image like you race selection, great`
`13:11.09`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`can only see the ass in that one though`
`13:11.20`	`Skittles`	`what does launch missle do`
`13:11.26`	`Skittles`	`its a type of effect`
`13:11.35`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Nice. If you have anymore mini-tut ideas let me know`
`13:11.35`	`Hati`	`launches a missile`
`13:11.38`	`Skittles`	`i dont c a cow`
`13:11.45`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`you see the cow's ass`
`13:12.01`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`and a giant flaming thing`
`13:12.09`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`which i recently scaled down`
`13:12.24`	`DonKalypso`	`Damn supper was tsaty last night`
`13:12.35`	`DonKalypso`	`I had one of those pasta breadbowls from Dominos`
`13:12.50`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`ok, imma nap. tell me how that missile thing works skitt`
`13:12.59`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`works out*`
`13:14.05`	`Skittles`	`XD'`
`13:14.06`	`Skittles`	`wait`
`13:14.12`	`Skittles`	`i thought u had work in 2 hours?`
`13:14.16`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`i do`
`13:14.42`	`Hati`	`he's professional irc idler`
`13:18.40`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`i dont idle most times`
`13:18.44`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`just when you're awake`
`13:21.56`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`but now i'm interested in something else`
`13:23.35`	`Skittles`	`hmm`
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`13:36.10`	`Icebane`	`heya guys! :D`
`13:36.15`	`Icebane`	`want a semantic problem?`
`13:36.54`	`Icebane`	`http://pastebin.com/Kz8ZknYV`
`13:37.10`	`Icebane`	`I need help badly with that one :<`
`13:37.30`	`Icebane`	`check and unchecking checkboxes without having an endless loop to it`
`13:38.03`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`i dont know that code, but good luck`
`13:41.17`	`Icebane`	`oh its pseudo code`
`13:43.35`	`Skizot`	`is ANYONE here good with writing .fx shaders?`
`13:44.37`	`Deaod`	`disable/enable the trigger before/after unchecking the box`
`13:47.54`	`Cheekything`	`Skizot what are they`
`13:47.55`	`Icebane`	`Then what happens if two players uses the trigger at the same time?`
`13:49.02`	`Skizot`	`.fx shaders?`
`13:49.23`	`Cheekything`	`yup`
`13:49.25`	`grim001_`	`Icebane: sc2 only runs a single thread at a time`
`13:49.35`	`Skizot`	`what i am WANTING is basically, a shader i can use in 3ds max to see EXACTLY what a model would look like in sc2.`
`13:50.01`	`Cheekything`	`oh that would be awesome`
`13:50.12`	`Icebane`	`grim001_: so you're saying that it would work to use turn on/off?`
`13:50.13`	`Skizot`	`the problem is how the fuck the normal map works.`
`13:50.59`	`grim001_`	`yes you can disable a trigger at the start of a trigger and re-enable it at the end of the trigger`
`13:51.13`	`grim001_`	`players cannot perform any actions during the execution of a trigger`
`13:51.27`	`grim001_`	`all scripting happens "between frames"`
`13:52.42`	`grim001_`	`this is often needed if the trigger causes itself to trigger`
`13:52.48`	`grim001_`	`to prevent an infinite loop`
`13:54.38`	`Agouti`	`actions can be run multithreaded`
`13:54.43`	`Agouti`	`well`
`13:54.45`	`Agouti`	`pretend multi`
`13:56.02`	`grim001_`	`if you were to do anything that would cause another thread to begin during the course of the trigger, and in that thread you expect the disabled trigger to work, of course it will fail`
`13:56.29`	`grim001_`	`generally you should disable the trigger immediately before the line causing the infinite loop and re-enable it immediately afterwords so that there is no chance of other side effects`
`14:05.08`	`Icebane`	`grim001_: thank you a lot for your answer that was a good lecture for programming overall. real "good to know"-stuff ^^`
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`14:10.34`	`grim001_`	`well the same would not be true in a genuinely multithreaded environment`
`14:10.57`	`grim001_`	`but sc2 only simulates multiple threads`
`14:13.28`	`JManV\|Work`	`simulates how?`
`14:13.43`	`JManV\|Work`	`multithreading is always simulated anyways`
`14:15.41`	`Icebane`	`multihreading? running several instances of a trigger at the same time?`
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`14:17.20`	`JManV\|Work`	`not necessarily the same trigger`
`14:18.37`	`Icebane`	`oh yes butit could be`
`14:18.43`	`JManV\|Work`	`yeah`
`14:18.54`	`JManV\|Work`	`but i guess galaxy doesn't truly do that`
`14:18.56`	`Icebane`	`so SC2 can't run two triggers simulateously?`
`14:19.06`	`Icebane`	`two threadsÃ`
`14:19.07`	`Icebane`	`*`
`14:19.20`	`JManV\|Work`	`i don't know the details. i'm just told it doesn't truly do that`
`14:19.53`	`Icebane`	`Alright =)`
`14:20.04`	`Icebane`	`pretty profound subject I guess`
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`14:20.19`	`JManV\|Work`	`functions like "last created unit" would be dangerous if it did`
`14:20.31`	`JManV\|Work`	`global variables like that aren't thread-safe`
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`14:24.25`	`JManV\|Work`	`map night tonight!`
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`14:41.25`	`Icebane`	`What does that mean? =O`
`14:42.27`	`JManV\|Work`	`http://forums.sc2mapster.com/general/general-chat/19064-na-map-nights/`
`14:42.38`	`JManV\|Work`	`there's one for EU too if that's your region`
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`14:44.15`	`Icebane`	`tis my region indeed!`
`14:44.46`	`XenoX101`	`hey`
`14:44.54`	`XenoX101`	`does anyone here know the game Super Puzzle Fighter?`
`14:46.33`	`JManV\|Work`	`k. there's a link to the EU map night in the post i pasted`
`14:47.03`	`XenoX101`	`is now playing Transmission0 - Cocoon [Memory Of A Dream]`
`14:47.18`	`JManV\|Work`	`if my math is right, EU map night is in about 3 hours`
`14:47.40`	`Cheekything`	`sounds good`
`14:47.47`	`Cheekything`	`gives me 3 hours to make fixes :p`
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`14:49.20`	`Hati`	`if so it starts 6pm`
`14:49.24`	`Hati`	`or 7pm`
`14:50.49`	`JademusSreg`	`I awaken.`
`14:54.07`	`JademusSreg`	`"We Dare, the Ubisoft upcoming game for swingers, is rated ages 12-and-up in Europe." =\`
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`15:03.30`	`Agouti`	`god`
`15:03.30`	`Agouti`	`that is so sus`
`15:03.30`	`Agouti`	`and lame`
`15:03.39`	`Agouti`	`where is pedobear when you need him`
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`15:15.30`	`JademusSreg`	`On certain pages of ED.`
`15:16.08`	`JademusSreg`	`Ride the net split! whooosh`
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`15:16.31`	`DonKalypso`	`I never once thought I'd actually despise someone who spoke of their religion.`
`15:16.32`	`DonKalypso`	`In Dragon Age Origins`
`15:16.36`	`DonKalypso`	`There're characters called "Chanters"`
`15:16.36`	`DonKalypso`	`They can only speak the "Chant of Light"`
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`16:38.01`	`JManV\|Work`	`so i'm getting something a little weird`
`16:38.03`	`JManV\|Work`	`i have an scv that places units`
`16:38.03`	`JademusSreg`	`?`
`16:38.15`	`JManV\|Work`	`and i want them to only face one direction`
`16:38.28`	`JManV\|Work`	`the unit facing is set to 270`
`16:38.28`	`JManV\|Work`	`and turnable is set to false`
`16:38.33`	`JManV\|Work`	`and it continues to pick a random angle`
`16:38.56`	`JManV\|Work`	`(custom units)`
`16:38.56`	`JademusSreg`	`Interesting.`
`16:38.57`	`JademusSreg`	`I presume they are supposed to be able to move.`
`16:39.02`	`JManV\|Work`	`yeah, as far as i udnerstand, with turnable set to false that shouldn't even be possible`
`16:39.02`	`JManV\|Work`	`no. moveable is false as well`
`16:39.06`	`JademusSreg`	`And these weren't the editor flags?`
`16:39.08`	`JManV\|Work`	`i'm making a building designer to ease the creation of buildings`
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`16:40.14`	`Icebane`	`Hya!`
`16:40.26`	`Icebane`	`hey grim001_ it didnt work!`
`16:40.34`	`JManV\|Work`	`FiieldPocket Wall (Door)`
`16:40.34`	`JManV\|Work`	`Unit - FlagsCannot Be Highlighted, No Tooltip, Unselectable, Untargetable, Use Line of Sight, Show Resources`
`16:42.00`	`JademusSreg`	`What's is movement values?`
`16:42.06`	`JManV\|Work`	`copied from a shape`
`16:42.08`	`JManV\|Work`	`spped 0 acc 0`
`16:42.11`	`JManV\|Work`	`ground. 1x1 custom footprint`
`16:42.11`	`JademusSreg`	`Turn rate?`
`16:42.14`	`JManV\|Work`	`720`
`16:42.16`	`JManV\|Work`	`should i change that?`
`16:42.20`	`JManV\|Work`	`nvm`
`16:42.20`	`JManV\|Work`	`needed to be "structure"`
`16:42.21`	`JademusSreg`	`Hahahahahahaha`
`16:42.23`	`JademusSreg`	`Hi.`
`16:42.27`	`JManV\|Work`	`one of my buildings made the icon go away tho`
`16:42.30`	`JManV\|Work`	`i switch "command center" to one of my units, and the icon doesn't show up any more`
`16:42.37`	`JademusSreg`	`?`
`16:43.27`	`JManV\|Work`	`it has a 5x1 footprint. i don't know it that's relevant`
`16:43.30`	`JManV\|Work`	`that's all i did was switch the unit`
`16:43.31`	`JManV\|Work`	`icon poof`
`16:44.17`	`JademusSreg`	`Switch?`
`16:44.23`	`JManV\|Work`	`switch units?`
`16:44.41`	`JademusSreg`	`Dunno what you mean.`
`16:44.57`	`JManV\|Work`	`so in the ability scv - build`
`16:45.05`	`JManV\|Work`	`build command center`
`16:45.13`	`JManV\|Work`	`i replaced the unit "command center" with my unit`
`16:45.16`	`JManV\|Work`	`and changed nothing else`
`16:45.50`	`JademusSreg`	`Did you update the command card ability command?`
`16:46.07`	`JManV\|Work`	`no`
`16:46.39`	`JademusSreg`	`I'm not sure if it is necessary, but worth a look.`
`16:46.41`	`JManV\|Work`	`i'm just getting it to work, then i'll change all the icons and stuff`
`16:46.51`	`JManV\|Work`	`i looked at it, the icon's still there. no requirements`
`16:47.40`	`JademusSreg`	`But the ability command. Does it point to your unit?`
`16:47.58`	`JManV\|Work`	`hmmm. now i have several doing to same thing`
`16:48.01`	`JManV\|Work`	`i switched that unit for a unit with a small footprint, and the icon's still gone`
`16:48.15`	`JManV\|Work`	`i also added a couple others, and their icons disappeared as well`
`16:48.22`	`JManV\|Work`	`but some of the units actually work`
`16:48.40`	`JManV\|Work`	`and there's really very little difference between them`
`16:49.22`	`JManV\|Work`	`most of them use the same model, and are just scaled differently with different footprints`
`16:49.34`	`JademusSreg`	`Do we mean the same thing by icons? An icon as in button or what?`
`16:49.48`	`JManV\|Work`	`yeah, the icon doesn't show up on the command card at all`
`16:49.53`	`JademusSreg`	`Button`
`16:49.53`	`JManV\|Work`	`like it has a show requirement or something`
`16:49.58`	`JManV\|Work`	`but it doesn't`
`16:50.20`	`JademusSreg`	`Ambiguous langauge hurts my brain.`
`16:50.43`	`JManV\|Work`	`sorry. it's hard to describe`
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`16:51.04`	`JademusSreg`	`If the ability to which it refers is wrong or the command is wrong, the button probabably will not appear.`
`16:51.15`	`JManV\|Work`	`that's what i'm thinking. but i don't know whats wrong`
`16:51.24`	`JManV\|Work`	`and i don't know what's different between the ones that work and the ones that dont`
`16:52.00`	`JManV\|Work`	`info - button state = suppressed?`
`16:52.41`	`JademusSreg`	`You modified an existing ability rather make and add a new one, so the ability should be correct, and you the command indexes should still be the same, which means the buttons should refer to the correct commands.`
`16:52.43`	`JademusSreg`	`*rather than`
`16:52.49`	`JManV\|Work`	`it's that suppressed thing`
`16:52.57`	`JManV\|Work`	`don't know what the field means exactly, but...`
`16:54.08`	`JManV\|Work`	`well. it looks like my footprints allow building on top of each other :(`
`16:54.14`	`JManV\|Work`	`still, this is a pretty cool way to build buildings`
`16:54.20`	Griffith`	`quick Q, how can i import triggers from one map into another`
`16:54.21`	`JManV\|Work`	`a lot easier than trying to key them in`
`16:54.41`	`JManV\|Work`	`copy/paste?`
`16:54.47`	`JManV\|Work`	`move to a library?`
`16:55.14`	`Icebane`	`JManV\|Work: remember the problem I had 1-2h ago?`
`16:55.27`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha.`
`16:55.31`	`JManV\|Work`	`i don't`
`16:55.35`	`JManV\|Work`	`i don't remember what i did 5 minutes ago :P`
`16:55.40`	`Icebane`	`http://pastebin.com/Kz8ZknYV`
`16:55.44`	`JademusSreg`	`It can be done easily all at oncer by using an mpq editor to extract and import from one map to another.`
`16:56.00`	`Icebane`	`Unchecking Checkboxes makes the trigger run itself`
`16:56.17`	`Icebane`	`grim001_: said I should put in "trigger turn on/off"`
`16:56.21`	`Icebane`	`but that didnt work at all`
`16:57.41`	`JademusSreg`	`Otherwise, just do as Jman says. =)`
`16:57.43`	`JManV\|Work`	`jades method is far less error-proned`
`16:57.45`	`JManV\|Work`	`but requires more initial work`
`16:57.46`	`JManV\|Work`	`so much whitespace!`
`16:57.51`	`Icebane`	`jades?`
`16:57.56`	`Icebane`	`oh right the language`
`16:58.01`	`Icebane`	`or?`
`16:58.03`	`Icebane`	`xD`
`16:58.06`	`JManV\|Work`	`your formatting leaves a lot to be desired.`
`16:58.26`	`Icebane`	`I'm confused :<`
`16:58.34`	`JademusSreg`	`I don't even know what I am looking at here.`
`16:58.35`	`JManV\|Work`	`yeah`
`16:58.35`	`JManV\|Work`	`there's a function that doesn't return anything`
`16:58.35`	`JManV\|Work`	`and doesn't have an ending bracket`
`16:58.44`	`JademusSreg`	`The language.`
`16:58.48`	`JademusSreg`	`Looks like the bastartd offspring of GUI and C.`
`16:58.54`	`Icebane`	`That pastebin I linked is just pseudo`
`16:59.13`	`JManV\|Work`	`ok`
`16:59.19`	`JademusSreg`	`Alright. But then the pseudo syntax isn't even consistent.`
`16:59.39`	`Icebane`	`Oh no thats not the problem`
`16:59.52`	`Icebane`	`Don't care about the syntax, its a semantic problem`
`17:01.03`	`JademusSreg`	`integer returns, int var`
`17:01.04`	`JademusSreg`	`?!?!?!!`
`17:01.27`	`JademusSreg`	`Madness!`
`17:01.29`	`JManV\|Work`	`yeah its really hard to read`
`17:01.38`	`JManV\|Work`	`don't use "used check box" in a function. send it as a paremeter to the function if you need it`
`17:01.52`	`JManV\|Work`	`i.e. - i don't recommend using any of the trigger globals outside of a trigger. just good practice, even if it works fine otherwise`
`17:02.04`	Griffith`	`JManV\|Work, by copy and paste, do I need to have both maps open`
`17:02.33`	`Icebane`	`I cold give you the code I've done in the editor`
`17:02.37`	`JManV\|Work`	`no`
`17:02.40`	`Icebane`	`but thats prolly even more messed up xD`
`17:02.44`	`JManV\|Work`	`cnp might cause dependancy issues`
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`17:02.55`	`JManV\|Work`	`make sure to copy everything that you code could be dependant on as well`
`17:03.02`	Griffith`	`hm ok`
`17:03.03`	`JManV\|Work`	`so you want one button to be clicked but not the other?`
`17:03.24`	`JManV\|Work`	`there's not an XOR, is there?`
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`17:03.32`	`Icebane`	`When you click A checkbox B should become unchecked.`
`17:03.38`	`Icebane`	`So simple yet so hard <.<`
`17:04.17`	`Icebane`	`Just because Blizzard was to Lazy to separate "Event - Dialog Item is Checked" "Even - Dialog Item is Unchecked".`
`17:04.24`	`Icebane`	`Even though a player unchecks a dialog item`
`17:04.35`	`JManV\|Work`	`oh`
`17:04.35`	`Icebane`	`the "Event - Dialog Item is Checked" runs the trigger`
`17:04.35`	Griffith`	`well JManV\|Work say I wanted to use my triggers for a different map, like how YABOT has one for blistering sands, metalopolis, etc.`
`17:04.37`	Griffith`	`whats the best way to do that?`
`17:04.38`	`JManV\|Work`	`a library or a mod`
`17:04.43`	`JManV\|Work`	`mods are the most robust`
`17:04.55`	Griffith`	`anywhere I can look up on mods?`
`17:04.57`	`JManV\|Work`	`they allow you to update the library, which in turn updates each map that's dependant on it`
`17:05.10`	`JManV\|Work`	`a mod is just a map without terrain, basically`
`17:05.17`	`JademusSreg`	`Yeah.`
`17:05.33`	`JManV\|Work`	`and you can make a map which is dependant on it`
`17:05.33`	Griffith`	`ah`
`17:05.35`	`JManV\|Work`	`it inherits all the data and code from the mdo`
`17:05.39`	`JManV\|Work`	`mod`
`17:06.01`	`JManV\|Work`	`code has to go in the library section,i beleibe`
`17:06.06`	`JManV\|Work`	`i didn't have any luck with code in the code section of the mod`
`17:06.06`	`grim001_`	`ok who wanted to know more about how threads work`
`17:06.17`	`JManV\|Work`	`i think we all would`
`17:06.38`	`JManV\|Work`	`icebane: i think you're making it more complicated than it needs to be`
`17:06.46`	`JManV\|Work`	`if button 1 is clicked, uncheck button 2`
`17:06.48`	`Icebane`	`Probably yes`
`17:06.54`	`JManV\|Work`	`if button 2 is clicked, uncheck button 1`
`17:07.06`	`Icebane`	`Heres the problem`
`17:07.07`	`JManV\|Work`	`there aren't radio buttons?`
`17:07.11`	`Icebane`	`when you uncheck button it`
`17:07.35`	`Icebane`	`wait gonna make it clear in a text doc before I post`
`17:07.53`	Griffith`	`ugh i need to figure out how mods work`
`17:08.03`	`grim001_`	`ok... threads are spawned whenever a trigger fires`
`17:08.10`	`Icebane`	`OH WAIT, you're using clicked instead of checked? <.<`
`17:08.17`	`JManV\|Work`	`have you used libraries yet griffith?`
`17:08.29`	`JManV\|Work`	`try moving your code into a library on the same map`
`17:08.37`	`Icebane`	`JManV\|Work: if this works I'll kill you!`
`17:08.38`	`Icebane`	`xD`
`17:08.39`	`JManV\|Work`	`you can then export that library, and import it into a mod`
`17:08.56`	`grim001_`	`threads continue to execute all the code they encounter instantly until they either 1.) do something that would spawn another thread, 2.) hit a wait action, or 3.) reach the end of the code`
`17:08.58`	`Icebane`	`oh but it didnt`
`17:09.11`	`JManV\|Work`	`i missed an element`
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`17:09.25`	`JManV\|Work`	`if button 1 is clicked and button 1 is checked, uncheck button 2`
`17:09.27`	`grim001_`	`when 1 occurs, the new thread interrupts the old thread and continues to execute in the same manner until reaching one of those 3 conclusions`
`17:09.39`	Griffith`	`JManV\|Work, how do you export into a library`
`17:10.16`	`JManV\|Work`	`getting it into the library is going to require cnp or export from mpq`
`17:10.28`	Griffith`	`ugh`
`17:10.30`	`grim001_`	`when 2 or 3 occurs, the thread will yield to any other threads that are queued to occur at that time`
`17:10.32`	`JManV\|Work`	`its a hassle`
`17:10.38`	`JManV\|Work`	`there's no doubt about that`
`17:10.42`	Griffith`	`If i re-import it, it won't be GUI format though right`
`17:10.54`	`JManV\|Work`	`it will be`
`17:11.05`	`JManV\|Work`	`unless you cnp it as galaxy script`
`17:11.10`	`Icebane`	`if button 1 is clicked, uncheck button 2 if button 2 is clicked, uncheck button 1 but the problem is that when a you "uncheck button x" the trigger creates a new thread since the event "when dialog item is checked" runs on BOTH check AND uncheck.`
`17:11.12`	`JManV\|Work`	`you can cnp it as gui`
`17:11.24`	`grim001_`	`if anything about that is unclear just ask for clarification`
`17:11.30`	`Icebane`	`oh shit the message got fucked up <.< the spaces dissapered`
`17:11.46`	`JManV\|Work`	`so ice:`
`17:12.09`	`JManV\|Work`	`if "dialog item used" = button 1 and ischecked(button1), uncheck button 2`
`17:12.22`	`JManV\|Work`	`if "dialog item used" = button 2 and ischecked(button2), uncheck button 1`
`17:12.25`	Griffith`	`bah the old code was pretty horrid in retrospect, might be easier if I just re-code everything from scratch`
`17:12.40`	`JManV\|Work`	`that's quite possible`
`17:12.43`	`grim001_`	`Icebane, just disable the trigger before you change anything about the button states`
`17:12.45`	`Icebane`	Griffith`: got it
`17:12.50`	`Icebane`	`that doesnt work :(`
`17:12.55`	`Icebane`	`oops not you griff`
`17:12.59`	`Icebane`	`that was meant towards grim xD`
`17:13.08`	`grim001_`	`it should work if you do it properly`
`17:13.30`	`Icebane`	`I did trigger turn on/off right before and after the "uncheck" just as you told me to`
`17:13.43`	`grim001_`	`did you do it for every uncheck?`
`17:13.48`	`Icebane`	`Yep`
`17:13.52`	`Icebane`	`tripple checked`
`17:14.07`	`grim001_`	`did you add a debug message to see if the trigger is indeed running again after it's been disabled?`
`17:14.33`	`grim001_`	`print a debug message that says "trigger was disabled" and put a debug message at the start that says "trigger running"`
`17:14.35`	`grim001_`	`and see what happens`
`17:14.56`	`Icebane`	`Oh but also theres another factor that should be mention`
`17:15.03`	`Icebane`	`at start none of them are checked`
`17:15.07`	`Icebane`	`but I solved that`
`17:15.11`	`Icebane`	`so nvm xD`
`17:16.00`	`Icebane`	`JManV\|Work: I'm gonna check on that you wrote up there 18:12 when I get home`
`17:16.10`	`Icebane`	`probably I've been looking so hard on this I've gone snowblind`
`17:16.21`	`JManV\|Work`	`oh damn. i don't have timestamps on :(`
`17:16.33`	`JManV\|Work`	`that happens with programming`
`17:16.36`	`Icebane`	`oh well its "if "dialog item used " = button x bla bla`
`17:16.53`	`JManV\|Work`	`i was working on something for work once, which i promised i'd have done by the end of the day`
`17:17.08`	`Icebane`	`yeah really, can't believe how many times I've stared myself braindead no something in the mid of the night`
`17:17.09`	`JManV\|Work`	`i hit a bug, and just continued to pound at it until like 8pm`
`17:17.13`	`JManV\|Work`	`then i gave u`
`17:17.14`	`Icebane`	`and the next morning you solve it`
`17:17.20`	`Icebane`	`over 2 mins`
`17:17.22`	`JManV\|Work`	`no`
`17:17.26`	`JManV\|Work`	`on the drive home`
`17:17.31`	`Icebane`	`oh yeah xD`
`17:17.32`	`Icebane`	`that too`
`17:17.34`	`JManV\|Work`	`before i even got to the end of the street`
`17:17.40`	`Icebane`	`haha`
`17:17.40`	`JManV\|Work`	`it dawned on me`
`17:17.49`	`Icebane`	`its by that time you REALLY go`
`17:17.51`	`Icebane`	`FFFFFFFFFF`
`17:17.52`	`Icebane`	`xD`
`17:17.53`	`JManV\|Work`	`sometimes you can't think of things until you step away from them`
`17:17.58`	`Icebane`	`anyway, I gotta go now`
`17:18.01`	`Icebane`	`talk to you guys later =)`
`17:18.07`	`JManV\|Work`	`later man`
`17:18.09`	`Icebane`	`very true Jman`
`17:18.10`	`Icebane`	`laters! :)`
`17:18.25`	`JManV\|Work`	`gotta step back so you can see the forest for the trees`
`17:18.52`	`grim001_`	`jman was that explanation of threads clear`
`17:19.03`	`JManV\|Work`	`for the most part`
`17:19.14`	`JManV\|Work`	`so if i have two threads that are the same function`
`17:19.21`	`JManV\|Work`	`and one does a wait, will the other run?`
`17:19.34`	`JManV\|Work`	`if they're running at the same time that is`
`17:19.42`	`JManV\|Work`	`(not function, action, but still)`
`17:19.43`	`grim001_`	`nothing runs at the same time`
`17:19.50`	`grim001_`	`what do you mean two threads that are the same function?`
`17:19.59`	`JManV\|Work`	`if they're both in the queue`
`17:20.10`	`JademusSreg`	`I have those eureka moments, too. Bugs are frustrating and disruptive until you step away.`
`17:20.30`	`grim001_`	`whichever one is queued first will run first, if it hits a wait, the next queued thread will begin`
`17:20.38`	`JademusSreg`	`Yeah.`
`17:20.56`	`JManV\|Work`	`so a threaded action with a wait in it needs to be thread-safe?`
`17:21.04`	`JManV\|Work`	`but a threaded action without doesnt?`
`17:21.04`	`JademusSreg`	`It's what allows globals to safely distribute data between threads.`
`17:22.03`	`grim001_`	`if you have a wait in a function, you can expect other code may execute after that wait before the function begins again`
`17:22.13`	`grim001_`	`including code that might change the state of globals`
`17:22.19`	`JManV\|Work`	`so yes`
`17:22.32`	`JManV\|Work`	`globals are no longer safe after that wait`
`17:24.33`	`JManV\|Work`	`like if a threaded action created a dialog and then waited. "last created dialog" is not necessarily valid after that wait`
`17:25.20`	`JademusSreg`	`Yup.`
`17:25.28`	`JManV\|Work`	`good to know`
`17:25.34`	`JademusSreg`	`But shit like that ought to be allocated to variables anyway.`
`17:25.50`	`JManV\|Work`	`i've been operating under the assumption that everything needs to be thread-safe anyways`
`17:25.51`	`JademusSreg`	`There's hardly ever a good reason to use :ast Created.`
`17:25.54`	`JademusSreg`	`*Last`
`17:26.05`	`JManV\|Work`	`yeah, i drop those into a variable immediately`
`17:26.10`	`JademusSreg`	`=D`
`17:26.13`	Griffith`	`anyone know if its possible to code a regex function?`
`17:26.22`	Griffith`	`so it can do things like grep chat messages?`
`17:26.30`	`JManV\|Work`	`but i was able to exploit this a little with my building creation`
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`17:26.53`	`JManV\|Work`	`i switched it over to triggers, and the trigger immediately gets it's "building instance" from a global`
`17:27.08`	`JManV\|Work`	`which it saves in a variable and uses throughout the trigger`
`17:27.22`	`JManV\|Work`	`(the triggers may very well have waits in them)`
`17:27.43`	`JManV\|Work`	`but i get that variable in the first line`
`17:28.02`	`JManV\|Work`	`it's nice to know where the boundries are`
`17:28.33`	`JademusSreg`	`Give it a shot, Griffith.`
`17:28.51`	`JManV\|Work`	`oh dear god that would probably be slow as sin`
`17:28.57`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha.`
`17:29.09`	`JademusSreg`	`My tiberium is working nicely.`
`17:29.14`	`JManV\|Work`	`so my buiildings went back to being crooked :(`
`17:29.20`	`JManV\|Work`	`dunno what that's about`
`17:30.59`	`JManV\|Work`	`wth`
`17:31.03`	`JManV\|Work`	`it worked!`
`17:31.07`	`JManV\|Work`	`now it doesnt!`
`17:32.12`	`JademusSreg`	`So in my tests, Mules have enough range on their harvest ability to avoid tiberium exposure.`
`17:32.15`	`JademusSreg`	`Pretty neat.`
`17:32.43`	`JManV\|Work`	`hmmm. so now it works again`
`17:32.53`	`JManV\|Work`	`that's cool`
`17:33.43`	`JManV\|Work`	`my footprints still aren't preventing building on top of another unit`
`17:34.07`	`JademusSreg`	`That's easy enough to fix.`
`17:34.36`	`JManV\|Work`	`the placement apply has "no build" checked`
`17:35.09`	`JManV\|Work`	`and i tried both "building" and "unpathable" for pathing`
`17:35.21`	`JademusSreg`	`What about their Movement - Collide and Movement - Plane Array values?`
`17:35.33`	`JManV\|Work`	`ah, is that what it is?`
`17:35.43`	`JademusSreg`	`Collide is awesome.`
`17:36.02`	`JademusSreg`	`The potential there is apparent.`
`17:36.04`	`JManV\|Work`	`ground for both?`
`17:36.48`	`JademusSreg`	`I doubt it especially matters, so long as collide isn't null.`
`17:37.11`	`JManV\|Work`	`so can i make a unit that a unit can walk through, but a building can't be placed on?`
`17:37.19`	`JademusSreg`	`Yeah.`
`17:37.33`	`JademusSreg`	`Try changing the footprint, by the way.`
`17:38.00`	`JManV\|Work`	`the door is pathable, but has no build set`
`17:38.33`	`JademusSreg`	`Also, press Ctrl T and make sure the footprint layers and shape definitions aren't like (0,0,0,0).`
`17:38.56`	`JManV\|Work`	`i can still build on top of the door`
`17:39.13`	`JManV\|Work`	`they're not. i've actually spent a while on these footprints`
`17:40.19`	`JManV\|Work`	`i think i found it`
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`17:40.30`	`JManV\|Work`	`i actually didn't have no build on the door footprint`
`17:40.42`	`*** part/#sc2mapster Sixen (~Kevin@149-169-145-127.nat.asu.edu)`
`17:40.50`	`JManV\|Work`	`i had to have done that on purpose. not sure why`
`17:41.19`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha`
`17:41.46`	`JManV\|Work`	`omg its doing crooked placement again`
`17:42.03`	`JademusSreg`	`Did the footprint get nulled again?`
`17:42.18`	`JManV\|Work`	`no`
`17:42.22`	`JademusSreg`	`If you modify a foorprint without painting the shape again, it gets nulled, in my experience.`
`17:42.24`	`JManV\|Work`	`i always have it on table view`
`17:42.33`	`JManV\|Work`	`yeah, i know how buggy footprints can be`
`17:42.35`	`JademusSreg`	`Because the footprint editor is a buggy shit.`
`17:42.53`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha, I share your pain brother!`
`17:43.49`	`JManV\|Work`	`i don't get this inconsistancy with placement tho. that is weird`
`17:44.00`	`JManV\|Work`	`maybe i should close editor`
`17:44.13`	`JademusSreg`	`I agree.`
`17:45.14`	`JManV\|Work`	`i may release my dynamic building library some time after this. the major problem with it before was the difficulty creating buildings`
`17:45.30`	`JManV\|Work`	`they basically had to be layed out in code`
`17:45.48`	`JManV\|Work`	`this way, you lay them out visibly, and it generates the code`
`17:46.20`	`Skittles`	`oh nice`
`17:46.21`	`JManV\|Work`	`omg i'm totally closing the editor`
`17:46.30`	`Skittles`	`?`
`17:46.32`	`JademusSreg`	`Hahaha`
`17:46.33`	`Skittles`	`You're at work?`
`17:46.49`	`Skittles`	`you work at home?`
`17:46.51`	`JManV\|Work`	`the footprint stuff wasn't working again`
`17:47.02`	`JManV\|Work`	`no, i have the editor on my work pc>`
`17:47.05`	`JManV\|Work`	`:)`
`17:47.09`	`Skittles`	`lol`
`17:47.16`	`JademusSreg`	`Dropbox?`
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`17:47.31`	`JManV\|Work`	`dropbox what?`
`17:47.40`	`burne-`	`when was the eu map night startin`
`17:47.50`	`JManV\|Work`	`i think 15 minutes`
`17:47.51`	`burne-`	`is there gona be lvie stream on mapster?`
`17:47.53`	`JademusSreg`	`What is your prefered method of sharing files between stations?`
`17:48.01`	`JManV\|Work`	`7pm +1 GMT`
`17:48.03`	`burne-`	`i probly wont be playing but might watch it for a while :)`
`17:48.09`	`burne-`	`if possible`
`17:48.09`	`JManV\|Work`	`VPN`
`17:48.14`	`JademusSreg`	`I nominate Identificationary for EU map night.`
`17:48.25`	`burne-`	`thats sounds fun`
`17:48.26`	`JManV\|Work`	`you have that on EU servers as well?`
`17:48.52`	`JademusSreg`	`I am in NA, but I had RaoDaoZao publish my map in EU.`
`17:49.01`	`JManV\|Work`	`cool`
`17:49.08`	`JManV\|Work`	`i was thinking of getting an account for my map`
`17:49.19`	`JManV\|Work`	`because otherwise i'd take up someone's entire map bank :P`
`17:49.33`	`avogatro1`	`buy a us account and send mail to blizzard`
`17:49.35`	`JManV\|Work`	`plus i'd have to trust them and rely on them to update. i'd rather just pay $50`
`17:49.36`	`avogatro1`	`it works`
`17:49.50`	`avogatro1`	`i am on eu`
`17:50.05`	`JademusSreg`	`I'm not commited enough to buy another copy of the game. I have people for that. =D`
`17:50.13`	`avogatro1`	`and i could change region for 1 of my account`
`17:50.57`	`JManV\|Work`	`$50 isn't that big of a deal for me. plus i get a new account i can goof off on`
`17:51.22`	`JManV\|Work`	`that said, i still haven't done it yet`
`17:51.24`	`JManV\|Work`	`don't need it yet tho`
`17:51.43`	`JManV\|Work`	`i just opened this map and it has unsaved changes`
`17:51.45`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`You can give rorigo access to it and he can get you banned on the sc2 forums`
`17:51.49`	`burne-`	`what about other servers like 3 more for asia/usa/africa/NA or whatber`
`17:51.51`	`burne-`	`so bullshit`
`17:51.53`	`JademusSreg`	`Hahahaha`
`17:51.57`	`JManV\|Work`	`hah`
`17:52.03`	`JademusSreg`	`Region lock is bullshit.`
`17:52.12`	`JManV\|Work`	`i'm only worried about EU and NA`
`17:52.24`	`JManV\|Work`	`my game concept has been very popular in EU`
`17:52.25`	`avogatro1`	`kor?`
`17:52.31`	`avogatro1`	`what game`
`17:52.32`	`JManV\|Work`	`haven't heard anything from any other regions`
`17:52.34`	`JManV\|Work`	`pokemon`
`17:52.36`	`JademusSreg`	`I can understand dividing up ladder regionally, maybe, sure, but players ought to be able to play custom games across the pond.`
`17:52.40`	`burne-`	`whtas your map jman`
`17:52.44`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Everyone not in EU and NA needs to be sending an email to blizz`
`17:52.51`	`avogatro1`	`popular i never saw your game`
`17:52.59`	`JManV\|Work`	`i't not released yet`
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`17:53.14`	`avogatro1`	`ok`
`17:53.17`	`JManV\|Work`	`but in the forums, i've gotten a very good reponse from EU players`
`17:53.20`	`JManV\|Work`	`they want to play it`
`17:53.27`	`burne-`	`what msp`
`17:53.29`	`burne-`	`maaap`
`17:53.36`	`JManV\|Work`	`pokemon`
`17:53.43`	`burne-`	`coool`
`17:53.50`	`JManV\|Work`	`"pocket warriors" is the working title`
`17:54.10`	`avogatro1`	`better the npocket monster :D`
`17:54.26`	`JManV\|Work`	`so i closed the editor and it's still doing it`
`17:54.44`	`JManV\|Work`	`it's like the data changes to my mod don't apply at all`
`17:55.24`	`JManV\|Work`	`holy shit! it actually reverted them!`
`17:55.29`	`JManV\|Work`	`wtf??!?!?!`
`17:55.37`	`JManV\|Work`	`autobackup save me please?`
`17:55.40`	`JademusSreg`	`Reverted?`
`17:55.52`	`JademusSreg`	`Killed your footprints?`
`17:55.52`	`JManV\|Work`	`there's no collide on those units`
`17:55.58`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha`
`17:55.59`	`JManV\|Work`	`and they're not structures`
`17:56.08`	`JManV\|Work`	`so that's like 30+ minutes back`
`17:56.10`	`JademusSreg`	`The editor is hating you.`
`17:56.33`	`JManV\|Work`	`at least it explains what's going on (kinda0`
`17:57.30`	`JManV\|Work`	`autobackup ftw!`
`17:57.51`	`JademusSreg`	`Yay.`
`17:57.55`	`JManV\|Work`	`i've had it do that to me before`
`17:57.56`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I never use it`
`17:58.02`	`JManV\|Work`	`never retrieve your maps from bnet`
`17:58.37`	`JManV\|Work`	`i apparently forgot to send the file via VPN this morning, so i grabbed the published copy from bnet`
`17:58.52`	`JManV\|Work`	`it has a tendancy to revert to old versions at random times when you do that`
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`17:59.28`	`burne-`	`meh maybe i could join map night for a game or two`
`17:59.57`	`JManV\|Work`	`i'm suprised dude doesn't troll here for joiners`
`18:00.23`	`JManV\|Work`	`i troll like 4 different places`
`18:01.32`	`*** part/#sc2mapster slightlyrandom (~random@130.226.169.201)`
`18:01.56`	`JManV\|Work`	`so does anyone know how i can scale a build model?`
`18:02.05`	`JademusSreg`	`Depends.`
`18:02.17`	`JademusSreg`	`I suggest doing it in the mode data.`
`18:02.22`	`JManV\|Work`	`the model and build model are the same thing`
`18:02.24`	`JademusSreg`	`It can be done in the actor data as well.`
`18:02.31`	`JademusSreg`	`*model`
`18:02.32`	`JManV\|Work`	`and the actor is scaled`
`18:02.50`	`JManV\|Work`	`i have one model going to multiple actors, each scaled differently`
`18:02.58`	`JademusSreg`	`Alright.`
`18:02.59`	`JManV\|Work`	`i suppose i could make multiple models if i had to`
`18:02.59`	`burne-`	`EU identificationary starting soon!`
`18:03.01`	`burne-`	`anyone wana join?`
`18:03.03`	`burne-`	`?!`
`18:03.05`	`JManV\|Work`	`heh`
`18:03.07`	`burne-`	`no stream up yet`
`18:03.13`	`JManV\|Work`	`identificationary ftw`
`18:03.17`	`JademusSreg`	`How many people are in?`
`18:03.30`	`burne-`	`like 6 or so`
`18:03.36`	`JademusSreg`	`Also, I should point out, there are lobby options.`
`18:03.54`	`JManV\|Work`	`yeah, pick a time you guys can agree on`
`18:04.00`	`JademusSreg`	`To set draw time, dot limit, victory type.`
`18:04.31`	`burne-`	`i didnt pick lobby options`
`18:04.32`	`burne-`	`-_-`
`18:04.54`	`JademusSreg`	`Defaults are 60 seconds, 5000, and Time 10 minutes respectively.`
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`18:05.28`	`JademusSreg`	`Control are Left Click to Draw, Right Click to Erase, C to clear the board, in case no one could read the load screen.`
`18:05.28`	`JManV\|Work`	`60 seconds and 10 minutes are a little short, imo`
`18:05.33`	`JManV\|Work`	`10 minutes is fine for 5-6 players, prolly`
`18:05.41`	`JManV\|Work`	`but for a full house, each player goes maybe once`
`18:05.47`	`JademusSreg`	`Those are just the defaults.`
`18:05.57`	`JManV\|Work`	`yeah, i was telling them not you`
`18:06.06`	`JademusSreg`	`Heh.`
`18:06.07`	`Khalanil`	`hi`
`18:06.19`	`JademusSreg`	`Hi.`
`18:06.26`	`JManV\|Work`	`we just played it twice, anyways :P`
`18:06.47`	`JManV\|Work`	`but some had trouble with the 60 second time. 75 might be a little better?`
`18:07.00`	`JManV\|Work`	`dunno what the options are`
`18:07.06`	`JManV\|Work`	`find out tonight :P`
`18:07.14`	`JManV\|Work`	`i also want to play NOTD`
`18:07.22`	`JademusSreg`	`Same.`
`18:07.32`	`JManV\|Work`	`it's pretty good. i played one round yesterday`
`18:07.45`	`JManV\|Work`	`high production value. lot of polish & attention to detail`
`18:07.49`	`JManV\|Work`	`you don't see that in most maps`
`18:07.50`	`JademusSreg`	`I love that.`
`18:08.13`	`JManV\|Work`	`also, ryan suggested he may be willing to let us demo SCU tonight`
`18:08.28`	`JManV\|Work`	`i'm hoping that comes through, cuz i think it could be mutually beneficial`
`18:09.01`	`JademusSreg`	`I hate pretty much every map without high production value; the editor is capable of so much, people ought to do more than rename units and implement derivative mechanics.`
`18:09.41`	`JManV\|Work`	`its as the say about details: the devil is in them.`
`18:09.56`	`JManV\|Work`	`strange expression, btw`
`18:10.14`	`JademusSreg`	`Definitely.`
`18:10.22`	`JManV\|Work`	`so i should scale my models instead of my actors, is that what you were saying?`
`18:11.26`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes.`
`18:11.37`	`JManV\|Work`	`damn. :P`
`18:12.37`	`JademusSreg`	`It's your choice, of course.`
`18:12.45`	`JManV\|Work`	`is there another option?`
`18:13.26`	`JademusSreg`	`You can scale models, you can scale actors from the events and at runtime, and you can scale units at runtime.`
`18:13.36`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Easy, copy and paste the model`
`18:13.44`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`scale it, then add it to the build model field`
`18:14.02`	`JademusSreg`	`Modelsssssss`
`18:14.04`	`JManV\|Work`	`well, the actor is scaled, but the build actor is displaying as the original size`
`18:14.05`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`oh wait.. that might not help`
`18:14.20`	`JademusSreg`	`If you want the build model to look right, you really ought to have seperate model data.`
`18:14.34`	`JademusSreg`	`That's all there is to it.`
`18:14.37`	`JManV\|Work`	`ok. that's what i thought`
`18:14.56`	`JademusSreg`	`Shawn.`
`18:14.58`	`JManV\|Work`	`i have a lot of actors attached to the same model tho :P`
`18:15.20`	`JademusSreg`	`I made this demo for Mrop last night: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1049551/GateDemo.SC2Map`
`18:15.25`	`DonKalypso`	`Don't make me punch you in the soul`
`18:15.28`	`JademusSreg`	`Just test it. =)`
`18:15.36`	`JademusSreg`	`Examining it will ruin the fun.`
`18:15.40`	`DonKalypso`	`Hold on`
`18:15.42`	`JademusSreg`	`Examine it after testing.`
`18:15.44`	`JManV\|Work`	`so i set scale minimum and scale maximum to the same thing?`
`18:15.45`	`DonKalypso`	`rages against the machine`
`18:15.52`	`JademusSreg`	`Anyway, Jman, yes.`
`18:15.55`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`rises against`
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`18:16.06`	`DonKalypso`	`Goddamn fucking Dragon Age Origin's boundries!`
`18:16.11`	`JademusSreg`	`It's a GUI-based gate demo.`
`18:16.14`	`DonKalypso`	`I was killed by fire in the Fade`
`18:16.16`	`DonKalypso`	`THE FADE`
`18:16.35`	`Alrik`	`Hello`
`18:16.35`	`JManV\|Work`	`ok. cool. thanks man`
`18:16.39`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I could never get past the retarded part in DAO`
`18:16.51`	`JademusSreg`	`I figure your tutorial could use a gate demo, Shawn.`
`18:16.57`	`DonKalypso`	`Which retarded part?`
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`18:17.05`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Just opening and closing`
`18:17.07`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`?`
`18:17.10`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Don, all of it`
`18:17.16`	`DonKalypso`	`lol`
`18:17.23`	`JademusSreg`	`Yeah. Proximity opening and closing.`
`18:17.25`	`DonKalypso`	`I enjoy the openings`
`18:17.26`	`JManV\|Work`	`<3 "close all other tabs"`
`18:17.32`	`DonKalypso`	`But I've realized`
`18:17.39`	`DonKalypso`	`That the best class is Rogue`
`18:17.47`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I was disappointed the moment I turned the game on`
`18:18.13`	`JademusSreg`	`?`
`18:18.14`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I would rather have watched the amazing commercial and never played the game`
`18:18.19`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha`
`18:18.27`	`JademusSreg`	`The commercials were enjoyable.`
`18:18.39`	`JademusSreg`	`And from what I hear, I'm glad I haven't played those games.`
`18:18.40`	`DonKalypso`	`Wow, you really hate BioWare's games, don't you?`
`18:18.51`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`No, I love bioware. That is the weird part`
`18:19.02`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I own every bioware game on xbox and 360`
`18:19.04`	`DonKalypso`	`I enjoy the third person relationship building aspects of Mass Effect and Dragon Age`
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`18:19.16`	`DonKalypso`	`I just wish they'd release all of the ME games for PS3`
`18:19.20`	`JademusSreg`	`I enjoy building actual relationships! =D`
`18:19.32`	`DonKalypso`	`It seems a let down to not have the whole trilogy on the PS3`
`18:19.48`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Then throw your piece o shit 3 out the window`
`18:19.54`	`JManV\|Work`	`gates mess up pathing so much :(`
`18:19.56`	`DonKalypso`	`But I suppose I could just play the first one on my laptop if I'm in desperate need for Mass Effect 1`
`18:20.19`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha`
`18:20.31`	`Sehkmet`	`ppppppppppppppppoke warriors?`
`18:20.40`	`DonKalypso`	`Shawn, I take pride in Sony's accomplishements, and I refuse to even throw out my dad's Crashbox 360.`
`18:21.04`	`JManV\|Work`	`sup sehk`
`18:21.07`	`DonKalypso`	`Mostly due to Lionshead Studio's gems of Fable 1-3`
`18:21.15`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Fuck fable 3`
`18:21.49`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`That trilogy goes backwards in accomplishments`
`18:21.52`	`DonKalypso`	`I'll admit some of Fable 3 is off, but overall I loved the addition of John Cleese as a voice actor`
`18:22.25`	`DonKalypso`	`I'll admit, however, I disliked the downplay of Theresa in the overall story`
`18:22.40`	`DonKalypso`	`She's been around for all of the games, but her part in 3 was so small it seemed an insult`
`18:22.55`	`DonKalypso`	`I just hope she has a larger role in 4`
`18:23.24`	`DonKalypso`	`And I also hope that John Cleese, or even Eric Idle, join in on 4 as well`
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`18:23.27`	`DonKalypso`	`Hell`
`18:23.32`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I was thrown off by the lack of wearing armor, changing weapons, hunting for demon doors, having lots of enemies to kill, and all those other great things i did in fable 1`
`18:23.38`	`DonKalypso`	`I think both Cleese and Idle would make 4 worth buying for them alone`
`18:23.52`	`DonKalypso`	`In 2 and 3 the armour was played down`
`18:24.05`	`DonKalypso`	`So you don't have to wear bulky suits of armour just to survive`
`18:24.14`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`everything but storyline is played down but the story`
`18:24.16`	`JManV\|Work`	`sweet. my building designer map is working. just a few more details to add`
`18:24.18`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`oh haha`
`18:24.20`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`redundancy`
`18:24.22`	`DonKalypso`	`I like that they did away with the mana system from 1`
`18:24.36`	`JManV\|Work`	`i think i'm gonna publish it and let people design buildings for my map`
`18:24.57`	`DonKalypso`	`I feel that the mana limitation just made playing a mage little more than "Damn, I'm OOM, time to die."`
`18:25.21`	`Sehkmet`	`suuuuup.`
`18:25.27`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`That's one good thing. I can't think of many more`
`18:26.26`	`DonKalypso`	`I loved the rent system in 3, but I hated how you had to wait until about an hour into the game to buy buildings, and even then you couldn't own a shop until an hour or two later.`
`18:26.26`	`JManV\|Work`	`hmm. i can't load a trigger dynamically, can i?`
`18:26.40`	`JManV\|Work`	`once you make a building, there's not really a way to load it back in`
`18:26.44`	`JManV\|Work`	`unless i bank it also`
`18:27.00`	`JademusSreg`	`Well, dynamic triggers can be done in galaxy.`
`18:27.10`	`JademusSreg`	`But I'm not certain that is what you need.`
`18:27.10`	`DonKalypso`	`The upkeep on homes in 3 was a nice touch, made it to where you had to come back often to keep the place tidy so you get the most out of the renters`
`18:27.26`	`DonKalypso`	`But they fell short in that you had to visit each building individually to do so`
`18:27.26`	`JManV\|Work`	`i don't think i want them pasting a wall of text into sc2 anyways`
`18:27.31`	`JManV\|Work`	`or that it would work`
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`18:27.45`	`JManV\|Work`	`if i want a load functionality, i think i need banks`
`18:28.05`	`Sehkmet`	`banks are guud.`
`18:28.23`	`DonKalypso`	`I enjoy the epic stories, but I feel 3 fell a little short on the villain, as you've no idea who or what it is until close to the very end. At least in 2 we knew who the villain was right off the bat.`
`18:28.29`	`grim001_`	`now I need to go and refactor all of my code to conform to standards I made up`
`18:28.50`	`DonKalypso`	`And in 1 we had to wait a while to even hear a mention of who the villain is, but at least he became more epic in the expansion pack of "Lost Tales"`
`18:29.17`	`Sehkmet`	`wow wow woww... we were talking about banks from where this topic came from`
`18:29.20`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Still.. in all cases Fable 1 >> Fable 2 or 3 hands down`
`18:29.21`	`Sehkmet`	`did i miss something?`
`18:29.34`	`DonKalypso`	`In most cases 1 trumps 2&3`
`18:29.35`	`JManV\|Work`	`they're talking about something else`
`18:29.43`	`JManV\|Work`	`i mostly just babble`
`18:29.49`	`Sehkmet`	`oh`
`18:29.56`	`Sehkmet`	`Jman, i saw you playing..`
`18:30.01`	`Sehkmet`	`waldo like 1 weak ago`
`18:30.03`	`DonKalypso`	`But 2 and 3 have many more good points to them than 1, and even expanded on the story and legacy of 1`
`18:30.10`	`JademusSreg`	`Sounds unpleasant grim.`
`18:30.13`	`grim001_`	`it's too annoying to prefix every "private" function or variable with the full library name so I'm going to give each library its own abbreviation and try to make sure they don't clash`
`18:30.14`	`JManV\|Work`	`yeah, we played it for map night`
`18:30.14`	`Sehkmet`	`did you played it with friends or alone?`
`18:30.38`	`DonKalypso`	`Overall I feel you need to take the Fable games together as a trilogy, rather than look at them individually`
`18:30.38`	`JManV\|Work`	`the video of us playing is up on sc2mapster`
`18:30.42`	`Sehkmet`	`i liked that map since the first day that i got starcraft2, but i couldnt play it , nobody joins, nobody understands it...`
`18:30.43`	`JManV\|Work`	`we played 2 rounds`
`18:30.47`	`DonKalypso`	`Otherwise the epicness of the stories is somewhat lost.`
`18:31.01`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Except.. I just get more and more disappointed in the series as it continues`
`18:31.06`	`JManV\|Work`	`it was fun-ish, but it didn't seem like there was a lot to it`
`18:31.15`	`DonKalypso`	`To each their own, I suppose.`
`18:31.24`	`Sehkmet`	`yeee there is a lot`
`18:31.27`	`JademusSreg`	`This will make everyone feel better: http://homestuck.bandcamp.com/track/liquid-negrocity`
`18:31.35`	`Sehkmet`	`any waldo got the ilussions??`
`18:31.44`	`Sehkmet`	`or killed the reactor?`
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`18:32.07`	`JManV\|Work`	`maybe its a different where's waldo map?`
`18:32.09`	`Sehkmet`	`using ilussions you can make your enemys to go for an "WTF???"`
`18:32.12`	`Sehkmet`	`nah`
`18:32.14`	`JManV\|Work`	`i didn't see anything like that`
`18:32.17`	`Sehkmet`	`there is a jail, at left corner`
`18:32.23`	`Sehkmet`	`if u join the jail, the prisoners escape`
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`18:40.12`	`JManV\|Work`	`max party is 6`
`18:40.12`	`JManV\|Work`	`but for larger games i can bring others in`
`18:40.12`	`Sehkmet`	`ook`
`18:40.12`	`JManV\|Work`	`so i'm making a custom channel`
`18:40.12`	`JManV\|Work`	`and any time we need more players, i'm just gonna invite ppl in that channel`
`18:40.12`	`Sehkmet`	`cuz i have a funmap for those nights that you play random maps with friends.. its 1vs6 like hide&seek`
`18:40.12`	`Sehkmet`	`im finishing some details like loading screen etc.`
`18:40.12`	`JademusSreg`	`Got a wip?`
`18:40.12`	`JManV\|Work`	`i wouldn't be surpsied if more than 12 ppl show up tonight`
`18:40.12`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I have a map where two players use their resources to build units to fight each other and the rest of the players bet on who will win, then the next two are chosen and they go`
`18:40.12`	`Sehkmet`	`lol! that would be nice`
`18:40.32`	`Sehkmet`	`mm xel naga obs? jaja`
`18:40.44`	`JManV\|Work`	`i've wanted to make a macro-less map for a while now`
`18:40.58`	`JademusSreg`	`Shawn, to what map are you refering?`
`18:40.58`	`JManV\|Work`	`were you have fixed resources to spend at the beginning of the map, then you just fight`
`18:41.13`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I actually havent made it yet, jsut the dialogs`
`18:41.13`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`but the dialogs are pretty`
`18:41.28`	`JademusSreg`	`Oh, well, I've seen it done already.`
`18:41.28`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Eh?`
`18:41.28`	`JademusSreg`	`It's pretty good, too.`
`18:41.39`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`DAMN!!`
`18:41.39`	`JademusSreg`	`Hahaha`
`18:41.39`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`He stole my job!!`
`18:41.46`	`JManV\|Work`	`seen what done?`
`18:41.46`	`JademusSreg`	`Hes stul mah jurb`
`18:42.18`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`JMan, wanna help me finish that map and blow the competition out of the water?`
`18:42.25`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Whats the other map called?`
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`18:42.32`	`JManV\|Work`	`ever play the table top version of warhammer 40k? i was thinking of a map like that`
`18:42.39`	`JademusSreg`	`It's called something like 1v1 Obs bluh bluh i forget.`
`18:42.50`	`JManV\|Work`	`1v1 obs is awesome`
`18:42.53`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Obs? In my map, everyone particaipates`
`18:42.54`	`JManV\|Work`	`great game`
`18:43.07`	`JManV\|Work`	`you can participate or not`
`18:43.10`	`JManV\|Work`	`in 1v1 obs`
`18:43.13`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes, I've always wanted to emulate tabletop 40k gameplay.`
`18:43.28`	`JManV\|Work`	`i think that could be a fun game, and fairly simple`
`18:43.33`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Is there just a video explanation that I could watch?`
`18:43.39`	`JManV\|Work`	`just some details like unit placement that need to be handled`
`18:43.53`	`JManV\|Work`	`i dunno if squad-based is necessary or not`
`18:44.01`	`JademusSreg`	`I actually had a mechanic for unit placement developed in wc3.`
`18:44.27`	`JademusSreg`	`But it was an ugly beast.`
`18:44.33`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I'm still deciding to either go through with the betting game or switch over to making a TBS system`
`18:44.35`	`JademusSreg`	`All the work arounds involved, it was hideous.`
`18:44.46`	`JManV\|Work`	`protoss already have a fairly good mechanic. you can warp in most units`
`18:44.51`	`JademusSreg`	`Yup.`
`18:44.54`	`JManV\|Work`	`you can supply drop terran units`
`18:44.58`	`JManV\|Work`	`zerg is a little harder`
`18:45.01`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`zerg also have drop pods`
`18:45.04`	`JademusSreg`	`Zerg have drop pods.`
`18:45.05`	`JManV\|Work`	`yeah`
`18:45.11`	`JManV\|Work`	`so that could work`
`18:45.12`	`DonKalypso`	`I wonder`
`18:45.20`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`no idea stealing kalypso`
`18:45.29`	`JManV\|Work`	`just need to keep them spawning on their own side`
`18:45.37`	`JademusSreg`	`Vision.`
`18:45.38`	`DonKalypso`	`How hard would it be to turn an SC2 map into a Shogi board?`
`18:45.40`	`JademusSreg`	`Of course.`
`18:46.00`	`JManV\|Work`	`i w40k, you can see where your opponent places`
`18:46.01`	`JademusSreg`	`Make the targetting require vision and give them vision of a specific region.`
`18:46.24`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Ya, we could make it work`
`18:46.34`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Granted, you two wouldnt need me`
`18:46.34`	`JademusSreg`	`Hm. Power source restriction, ala standard.`
`18:46.42`	`JManV\|Work`	`that could work`
`18:46.50`	`Sehkmet`	`ommmmmmmm i got stuck, there is any way to check for active players? ( to know if 4,5,6,7 or 8 players joined the game )`
`18:46.57`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes.`
`18:46.59`	`JManV\|Work`	`see, there's not really that much to it`
`18:47.01`	`Sehkmet`	`without making something like.. "player moves the mouse"`
`18:47.05`	`JManV\|Work`	`you can really leave the units as-is`
`18:47.11`	`JademusSreg`	`There is even a GUI action to return a player group of active players.`
`18:47.15`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`DonKalypso: What about a hexagon-style instead of squares?`
`18:47.23`	`JademusSreg`	`Jman, I doubt it.`
`18:47.34`	`JademusSreg`	`All the units are balanced toward melee.`
`18:47.36`	`grim001_`	`I find that I can tolerate the boring refactoring if I'm watching TV or something at the same time`
`18:47.48`	`JManV\|Work`	`well, they might need some balance tweaks`
`18:47.54`	`JManV\|Work`	`void rays always seem to :P`
`18:48.07`	`JademusSreg`	`I have plans for a variety of projects, lots of wips, lots of pocs.`
`18:48.13`	`JManV\|Work`	`w40k did flying units a little different tho`
`18:48.25`	`JManV\|Work`	`as well as stealth units`
`18:48.34`	`JademusSreg`	`Including what we are discussing currently. =)`
`18:49.01`	`JManV\|Work`	`i'd like to do that map, but i'm pretty occupied`
`18:49.59`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Are you working on anything jade?`
`18:50.09`	`JademusSreg`	`I like assisting people in brainstorming and problem solving. But I otherwise like to keep tacit about my works until a big reveal.`
`18:50.22`	`Sehkmet`	`:O`
`18:50.34`	`JademusSreg`	`Right now, I'm working on a tiberium proof of concept.`
`18:50.48`	`JademusSreg`	`It is fully functional.`
`18:50.55`	`JademusSreg`	`So now I'm making pretty terrain.`
`18:51.11`	`JademusSreg`	`I like my demos to be interesting to play.`
`18:51.14`	`JManV\|Work`	`also, sc2 only has 3 races, where w40k had like 8+, plus race variations`
`18:51.20`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Ok. Well if we actually decide that the w40k map would be worth doing, then we can start trying to make some working systems while jman does his thing`
`18:51.30`	`JademusSreg`	`Jman, that doesn't conflict with my plans in the least.`
`18:51.45`	`JManV\|Work`	`i'd be willing to work on the map as a team`
`18:51.53`	`JManV\|Work`	`it wouldn't take up too much of my time that way`
`18:52.12`	`JManV\|Work`	`i don't thinkit'd take that long either`
`18:52.20`	`JademusSreg`	`I'm on the fence about team work. Mostly because I can do pretty much everything myself.`
`18:52.27`	`JademusSreg`	`Except model. =)`
`18:52.29`	`JManV\|Work`	`yeah, i'm the same way`
`18:52.35`	`JManV\|Work`	`but i'm willing to try`
`18:53.11`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Feel free to work on it as much as you want, but the nice thing about a team is that when there is something you dont want to do, you tell someone else ot do it`
`18:53.24`	`Skittles`	`what are u guys doing?`
`18:53.46`	`JademusSreg`	`Well, I've got a channel on the mibbit server if you folks are interested in discussing development.`
`18:53.49`	`JManV\|Work`	`taking about a game based on warhammer 40k tabletop`
`18:54.02`	`Sehkmet`	`jademus, i dont find the GUI ACTION to return a player group of active players`
`18:54.26`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Player Group(Active Players)`
`18:54.29`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`its there`
`18:54.30`	`JManV\|Work`	`where unit placement and fighting are quite seperate`
`18:54.40`	`JademusSreg`	`Wakkawakka`
`18:54.55`	`JademusSreg`	`It returns a player group.`
`18:55.05`	`Sehkmet`	`oh`
`18:55.07`	`Sehkmet`	`i found it`
`18:55.07`	`Sehkmet`	`thx`
`18:55.13`	`JademusSreg`	`So naturally it needs to be called in an expression that takes a player group. =)`
`18:56.33`	`JademusSreg`	`So what are the main wh40k mechanics you would try to implement?`
`18:57.28`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I've never played, so that is between you and jman`
`18:57.58`	`JManV\|Work`	`the primary thing is that it's a pre-set battle`
`18:58.09`	`JManV\|Work`	`where the strategy is in positioning and unit selection`
`18:58.10`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`is this game TBS?`
`18:58.51`	`JManV\|Work`	`w40k was turn-based, but i don't think that would transfer well`
`18:59.04`	`JManV\|Work`	`turn-based placement would probably be necessary, however`
`18:59.54`	`Sehkmet`	`btw.. if i set a variable to "Active players", if i have a max. of 7players, should i add 7 arrays?`
`19:00.59`	`Sehkmet`	`without the arrays it would be just a number, doesnt it?`
`19:02.14`	`Sehkmet`	`if i wanna know if , for ex., player 5 is active, i have to make an array and then check "Active Players (5) " ?`
`19:02.16`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Umm.. You just want to know if player 5 is active?`
`19:03.01`	`Sehkmet`	`yep`
`19:03.12`	`Sehkmet`	`from 1-7`
`19:03.31`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`If Player (Picked Integer) is in Active Players == True`
`19:03.40`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Thats the condition you want`
`19:04.04`	`Sehkmet`	`yep i know that .. but, without making an array of 7 i can use that?, just making the variable and setting it to active players?`
`19:04.06`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Pick each integer from 1 to 7.. then that condition inside an if statement`
`19:06.59`	`JademusSreg`	`I've got plans for both turn based and tabletop army style games. Not mutually exclusive, either.`
`19:07.27`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I always think of something like Advance Wars or Fire Emblem for gameboy advance`
`19:07.35`	`JademusSreg`	`TBS has the advantage of permitting significantly greater tactical and strategic variety because time isn't a commodity.`
`19:08.16`	`JademusSreg`	`My favorite tactical game, favorite rpg, and favorite final fantasy is Final Fantasy Tactics.`
`19:08.29`	`JademusSreg`	`Hell, it's the only FF game I even like.`
`19:08.52`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`does w40k use any kind of hero units?`
`19:10.01`	`JademusSreg`	`Each player has X points, units have Y cost to place.`
`19:10.52`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`placement and such via dialogs then?`
`19:11.01`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I guess JMan will want to do that`
`19:11.23`	`JademusSreg`	`As opposed to, say, Dawn of War I, which was kind of a repulsive blend of traditional rts shit in a wh40k costume, plus some CoH node control.`
`19:11.49`	`JademusSreg`	`DoW2 distanced itself more effectively from its predecessors.`
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`19:13.57`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`did i miss anythign?`
`19:14.27`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`i had to get a youtube auto-replayer so i can listen to this song 4,000,000 times`
`19:14.42`	`JManV\|Work`	`fft is awesome!`
`19:14.47`	`JManV\|Work`	`also one of my faves`
`19:14.52`	`JManV\|Work`	`that's another game i'd like to see`
`19:15.04`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`fft?`
`19:15.04`	`JManV\|Work`	`also, turned based elite commandos`
`19:15.10`	`JManV\|Work`	`final fantasy tactics`
`19:15.12`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`oh haha`
`19:15.15`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`i just got it`
`19:15.36`	`JManV\|Work`	`i played a game for the PC a long time back`
`19:15.48`	`JManV\|Work`	`i don't remember the name, and it was never popular, but it was awesome`
`19:15.56`	`Hati`	`pong`
`19:15.58`	`JManV\|Work`	`you controlled like 3-5 commandos`
`19:16.09`	`JManV\|Work`	`in a turn-based combat scanario`
`19:16.17`	`JManV\|Work`	`like fighting in buildings and such`
`19:16.26`	`JManV\|Work`	`and the point was to minimize exposure of your team`
`19:16.29`	`Hati`	swat `?
`19:16.29`	`JManV\|Work`	`use cover, etc`
`19:16.36`	`JManV\|Work`	`yeah, something like that`
`19:16.52`	`Hati`	`hmm but SWAT wasn't turnbased`
`19:16.55`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`i remember something like that`
`19:17.16`	`JManV\|Work`	`basically if you exposed yourself too much, you could die really quick`
`19:17.40`	`JManV\|Work`	`too many game ideas rolling around in this head of mine`
`19:17.43`	`JManV\|Work`	`not enough time`
`19:17.51`	`JademusSreg`	`I've logged roughly 3000 hours of FFT.`
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`19:18.26`	`JManV\|Work`	`if you leveled up to high in FFT, the random encounters become basically unbeatable :(`
`19:18.38`	`JManV\|Work`	`like level 70 or so`
`19:19.00`	`JManV\|Work`	`was about the only thing i didn't like about that game`
`19:19.05`	`JademusSreg`	`I could destroy anything. Beat the final boss in 3 turns.`
`19:19.10`	`JManV\|Work`	`cuz i'm a level up whore`
`19:19.22`	`JManV\|Work`	`i'll just level up for hours and ignore the story`
`19:19.41`	`JManV\|Work`	`i was level 76 in FF7 when i got to the second disc`
`19:19.52`	`JademusSreg`	`Regardless of my level, once I had the optimal party composition, it was unstoppable.`
`19:19.52`	`JManV\|Work`	`and aeris had her final limit break before she died`
`19:19.53`	`Sehkmet`	`hey shadow`
`19:19.58`	`Sehkmet`	`shawn*`
`19:20.04`	`Sehkmet`	`omg what i said shadow..`
`19:20.08`	`Sehkmet`	`why*`
`19:20.26`	`Sehkmet`	`omg! my hands are writing and i can tcontrol them (?`
`19:20.28`	`JManV\|Work`	`like 76 on disc 1 of ff7 is just insance`
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`19:20.45`	`JManV\|Work`	`that took a while, then finally leveling up got so slow i had to move on`
`19:21.00`	`JManV\|Work`	`i was shooting for max level on disc 1`
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`19:21.22`	`JManV\|Work`	`would have taken /way/ too long`
`19:21.35`	`JademusSreg`	`3 monks, basic skill/guts, 2 swords, physical power boosting gear, 2 summoners, master of all mage classes, math skill, 2 swords, magic boosting gear.`
`19:21.47`	`JManV\|Work`	`oh yeah. the calculator`
`19:21.52`	`JManV\|Work`	`that unit was so broken`
`19:21.57`	`JManV\|Work`	`kind of ruined the fun`
`19:22.23`	`JademusSreg`	`It was awesome. Fighting enemies with math skill was rare, but amusing.`
`19:22.35`	`JManV\|Work`	`rare? i used it constantly`
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`19:22.54`	`JManV\|Work`	`once you get them off that stupic class with slow turn speed, they are gods`
`19:22.59`	`JademusSreg`	`I had to cheat to make all enemies have mastered job classes to extract more challenge.`
`19:23.15`	`JademusSreg`	`TI mean it iss rare to encounter enemies with math skill.`
`19:23.24`	`JManV\|Work`	`oh`
`19:23.43`	`JademusSreg`	`The deep dungeon had such an encounter.`
`19:23.50`	`JManV\|Work`	`i'd spend like 5 minutes setting up the perfect math skill, then kill all the units in one hit`
`19:24.04`	`JademusSreg`	`Yup.`
`19:24.08`	`JManV\|Work`	`got to be where i was spening more time checking unit stats than actually fighting`
`19:24.25`	`JManV\|Work`	`that element of it wasn't very fun`
`19:24.40`	`JManV\|Work`	`the entire concept of the game though - awesome`
`19:24.47`	`JademusSreg`	`I enjoyed it. I could flick through permutations pretty rapidly.`
`19:24.47`	`JManV\|Work`	`every play the GBA versions?`
`19:24.57`	`JManV\|Work`	`laws can suck my dick`
`19:25.14`	`JManV\|Work`	`i played the first one a lot, and it was fun but i got sick of laws`
`19:25.21`	`JademusSreg`	`There is no GBA version. You're obviously thinking of a terrible game.`
`19:25.39`	`JManV\|Work`	`i tried out the second, realized that they kept laws (stupidly), so i gave up immediately`
`19:26.01`	`JManV\|Work`	`final fantasy tactics advance. or were you trying to be cute?`
`19:26.32`	`JManV\|Work`	`there are some really good elements to the first game`
`19:26.36`	`JManV\|Work`	`i don't know about the second`
`19:26.43`	`JManV\|Work`	`but laws... ARG!`
`19:26.48`	`JManV\|Work`	`jsut...`
`19:26.52`	`JManV\|Work`	`they didn't need that`
`19:27.04`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I wish i could double click on a unit, and press a button that takes me to that unit in the data editor`
`19:27.10`	`DonKalypso`	`Hurrah for coaxing friends to shelling out $40 for SCII!`
`19:27.11`	`JademusSreg`	`FFTA is not a version of FFT. The Lion War on the PSP is a version of FFT.`
`19:27.34`	`JManV\|Work`	`FFTA is clearly a version of FFT`
`19:27.43`	`JManV\|Work`	`never played lion war tho`
`19:27.54`	`JademusSreg`	`FFTA is a disappointing departure from the glory of FFT.`
`19:27.55`	`JManV\|Work`	`i played old school FFT on the PSP`
`19:28.09`	`JademusSreg`	`Hacked, yeah, same.`
`19:28.09`	`JManV\|Work`	`like i said, there were actually some really good elements`
`19:28.25`	`JManV\|Work`	`some elements were better than the original`
`19:28.29`	`JManV\|Work`	`and then you have laws`
`19:28.38`	`JManV\|Work`	`which basically made the whole game a chore after a while`
`19:28.59`	`JManV\|Work`	`like GTA IV :P`
`19:29.09`	`JademusSreg`	`The first few fights and the ridiculous shitty explanation for the kid being in a ivalice or some shit turned me off irrevocably.`
`19:29.32`	`JManV\|Work`	`yeah, my friend loathes the snowball fight`
`19:29.38`	`JademusSreg`	`Team turns instead of individual unit turns?! Blasphemy!`
`19:29.39`	`JManV\|Work`	`he said it ruins replayability for him`
`19:31.16`	`JManV\|Work`	`the races were pretty cool tho`
`19:31.40`	`JManV\|Work`	`the chick/rabbit whatever they were are pretty awesome`
`19:31.55`	`JManV\|Work`	`but i digest`
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`19:35.48`	`JademusSreg`	`Sure, I dig racial variation.`
`19:36.07`	`JManV\|Work`	`like i said, there were some cool elements`
`19:36.24`	`JManV\|Work`	`i did enjoy turning enemies into stone with a 90% chance :P`
`19:36.34`	`JManV\|Work`	`leaving mass statues in your wake`
`19:38.05`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes.`
`19:38.25`	`JManV\|Work`	`always a good time`
`19:40.06`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Should I do the opening and closing of the gate based on distance to the gate, or by regions?`
`19:40.59`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Either Unit Enters Region or Unit Enters within 1.0 of Gate`
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`19:42.02`	`JademusSreg`	`I say range.`
`19:42.15`	`JademusSreg`	`Also, I forgot that event existed. Haha.`
`19:42.28`	`JademusSreg`	`Guess I have some new stuff to add to my demo.`
`19:42.37`	`JademusSreg`	`Did you try my demo, Shawn?`
`19:43.57`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Nope`
`19:44.08`	`JManV\|Work`	`i'd do it all in data, personally`
`19:44.29`	`JademusSreg`	`Same.`
`19:44.29`	`JManV\|Work`	`search area effect`
`19:44.57`	`JademusSreg`	`That's another addition I had planned for my demo.`
`19:45.13`	`JademusSreg`	`Still, all 3 methods should be documented, because they each have their uses.`
`19:45.45`	`JManV\|Work`	`hmm. so there's way more units that can be placed than will fit on another command card`
`19:45.49`	`JManV\|Work`	`another=single`
`19:45.58`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes.`
`19:46.09`	`JManV\|Work`	`either i need more than 1 unit, or i need to do some command card tricks`
`19:46.10`	`JManV\|Work`	`or both`
`19:47.40`	`JManV\|Work`	`can i trigger on selecting a command card option that's a submenu?`
`19:48.05`	`JManV\|Work`	`basically double up on a submenu by adding a behavior to a unit and using requirements?`
`19:52.55`	`JademusSreg`	`Why is this necessary?`
`19:53.22`	`JManV\|Work`	`to make it so i don't have to switch between builder units constantly`
`19:53.40`	`JademusSreg`	`You are permitted 4 command cards, abilities / build options can be divided among different command cards.`
`19:53.57`	`JademusSreg`	`And you are allowed more than 4 command cards via xml.`
`19:54.04`	`JManV\|Work`	`are you?`
`19:54.10`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes.`
`19:54.12`	`JManV\|Work`	`like... 15?`
`19:54.27`	`JManV\|Work`	`i want each main button to be a submenu if possible`
`19:54.33`	`JademusSreg`	`During beta, levi made an omni builder that have 7 submenus.`
`19:54.46`	`JManV\|Work`	`that's basically what i want`
`19:54.53`	`JademusSreg`	`Edit the xml.`
`19:54.54`	`JManV\|Work`	`except with custom units`
`19:55.04`	`JManV\|Work`	`i'll take a look at that`
`19:55.16`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`ok, i have to go to a job interview`
`19:55.23`	`JademusSreg`	`Good luck.`
`19:55.25`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`like.. right now right now.. they just called me`
`19:55.32`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`>.`
`19:55.34`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`>.>`
`19:55.37`	`JManV\|Work`	`the easier i make this for myself, the less time it takes me later when i have to build tons of buildings`
`19:55.50`	`JManV\|Work`	`right now, i only have 2 building internals because it takes so long to make them`
`19:56.17`	`JManV\|Work`	`and if i make it easy enough, i can prolly get others to make buildings for me`
`19:56.20`	`JManV\|Work`	`= win!`
`19:56.34`	`JManV\|Work`	`(as long as i can get some decent quality)`
`19:57.57`	`Sehkmet`	`had any1 used a imported image as vertical texture?`
`19:58.16`	`Sehkmet`	`like.. a 2d signal`
`19:59.56`	`DonKalypso`	`Ah, Dominos pasta breadbowls`
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`20:02.57`	`Sehkmet`	`thats no? : O`
`20:03.55`	`JManV\|Work`	`no idea what you're talking about`
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`20:05.31`	`JManV\|Work`	`how do i have two versions of the same map open?`
`20:05.35`	`JManV\|Work`	`ah yes. save as`
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`20:07.43`	`Bounty`	`Who here is an expert in how triggers run?`
`20:08.28`	`JademusSreg`	`What defines a trigger expert?`
`20:08.40`	`Bounty`	`Well ill just ask the question then lol`
`20:08.49`	`Bounty`	`Someone showed me lagless WASD last night done via triggers`
`20:08.53`	`JManV\|Work`	`that usually works`
`20:08.59`	`JademusSreg`	`"Who here writes in Java?" Hahaha`
`20:09.03`	`Bounty`	`he said he used booleans and a loop`
`20:09.09`	`Bounty`	`and he said he just "threaded the fuck out of it"`
`20:09.21`	`Bounty`	`now i understand how to do WASD via booleans`
`20:09.24`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Saeris (~Saeris@c-76-126-227-99.hsd1.ca.comcast.net)`
`20:09.26`	`Bounty`	`but i dont understand how the loop works`
`20:09.41`	`Bounty`	`oh and btw Jade`
`20:09.46`	`Bounty`	`combos are now auto fire =P its much better`
`20:11.20`	`JademusSreg`	`Sweet.`
`20:11.32`	`Bounty`	`but do you have any idea about my question?`
`20:11.33`	`JademusSreg`	`I might actually be able to do some now.`
`20:11.37`	`Bounty`	`he showed it to me`
`20:11.41`	`Bounty`	`and it was indeed lagless`
`20:11.42`	`JademusSreg`	`That will make gameplay much crunchier.`
`20:11.44`	`Bounty`	`like i swear to u`
`20:11.49`	`Bounty`	`NO delay`
`20:11.59`	`Bounty`	`i just dont understand bc i did a test last night`
`20:12.01`	`JademusSreg`	`Have you got the code?`
`20:12.03`	`Bounty`	`and made a simple trigger`
`20:12.06`	`Bounty`	`like`
`20:12.13`	`Bounty`	`Player presses W`
`20:12.13`	`Hati`	`still have 1 darkspore key left someone?`
`20:12.20`	`Bounty`	`display text "test"`
`20:12.25`	`Bounty`	`and even ONLY EXECUTING text`
`20:12.29`	`Bounty`	`there was about 0.2 delay`
`20:12.33`	`JademusSreg`	`Didn't care about spore. Care less about darkspore. Negative care.`
`20:12.37`	`Bounty`	`so i just dont understand lol`
`20:12.44`	`Bounty`	`and no`
`20:12.50`	`Bounty`	`everytime he shows me something`
`20:12.54`	`Bounty`	`hes like oh hope on teamview`
`20:12.58`	`Bounty`	`or w/e that program is called`
`20:13.04`	`Bounty`	`that lets u access and view someone elses computer`
`20:13.05`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`20:13.07`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`what is darkspore?`
`20:13.08`	`JademusSreg`	`Ew. Teamviewe.`
`20:13.11`	`Bounty`	`yeah`
`20:13.13`	`Bounty`	`no offense`
`20:13.16`	`Bounty`	`but i dont trust ANYONE with that`
`20:13.19`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`20:13.24`	`JademusSreg`	`That's like violation.`
`20:13.30`	`Bounty`	`yeah`
`20:13.30`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`That's how i learned a lot of thing`
`20:13.32`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`things*`
`20:13.35`	`Bounty`	`but seriously back to the subject`
`20:13.36`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`>.>`
`20:13.42`	`Bounty`	`this is serious lol`
`20:13.45`	`Bounty`	`bc if i figure out how to do this`
`20:13.50`	`Bounty`	`the first thing im doing is sharing it with the community`
`20:13.51`	`JademusSreg`	`Not going to let any motherfucker use that.`
`20:14.00`	`Bounty`	`so im not the only one making WASD games lol`
`20:14.16`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`You do know there is a keystroke to cut the person off from your computer right?`
`20:14.18`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`>.>`
`20:14.25`	`Bounty`	`Shawn`
`20:14.25`	`JademusSreg`	`Don't care.`
`20:14.28`	`Bounty`	`read what i've been saying`
`20:14.31`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`No`
`20:14.37`	`Bounty`	`wow ok whatever`
`20:14.38`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I have a job interview in 2 hours`
`20:14.41`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`i couldnt care less`
`20:14.45`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha.`
`20:14.59`	`Bounty`	`im telling u guys someone showed me lagless fucking WASD and that i wanna share it and nobody cares? lol`
`20:15.01`	`JademusSreg`	`I'm interested in making a nice WASD.`
`20:15.19`	`JademusSreg`	`I've been interested for a while, just haven't gotten around to it.`
`20:15.27`	`Bounty`	`well im telling u what he said`
`20:15.34`	`Bounty`	`what do you think he meant?`
`20:15.42`	`JademusSreg`	`I was saying "Don't care" about teamviewer cutoff stroke.`
`20:15.56`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`tell him to send us a map`
`20:16.02`	`Bounty`	`he wont`
`20:16.03`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`stop being a stingy bitch`
`20:16.07`	`Bounty`	`he always says teamview shit`
`20:16.10`	`Bounty`	`but like i said`
`20:16.12`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha. Is it Rodrigo?`
`20:16.17`	`Bounty`	`He said how he did it was Booleans`
`20:16.18`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I'll do teamview shit with him`
`20:16.28`	`Bounty`	`booleans and a loop in the map init`
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`20:16.38`	`Bounty`	`he said he "threaded the shit" out of it`
`20:16.41`	`Bounty`	`the loop that i`
`20:16.42`	`Bounty`	`is*`
`20:16.52`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I dont know what that means`
`20:16.59`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`but i do know what booleans and loops are`
`20:17.04`	`Bounty`	`he was referring to Action Definitions`
`20:17.06`	`Bounty`	`Create thread`
`20:17.15`	`Bounty`	`now heres the question`
`20:17.19`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Still have no idea how to use that`
`20:17.21`	`JademusSreg`	`It means "I can has teamviewer inside your cpu making the internets happen."`
`20:17.23`	`Bounty`	`what would be faster`
`20:17.25`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`>.<`
`20:17.35`	`Bounty`	`an action definition that has a bunch of if thens`
`20:17.40`	`Bounty`	`checking the WASD`
`20:17.41`	`Bounty`	`or`
`20:17.46`	`JademusSreg`	`Just sounds like a bullshit ploy to me.`
`20:17.48`	`Bounty`	`one action definition per key combination`
`20:17.59`	`Bounty`	`and u run them in the loop`
`20:18.01`	`JademusSreg`	`Anyway, I'll look into it when I'm done with my current thing.`
`20:18.12`	`Bounty`	`just answer that question and ill be able to do it lol`
`20:18.13`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I will too once I get done with my interview thing`
`20:18.17`	`Bounty`	`then i can just make u guys a map and share it`
`20:18.32`	`Bounty`	`Shawn, Action Definitions are basically triggers`
`20:18.34`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`What if we have no idea?`
`20:18.36`	`Bounty`	`but u can fire them from triggers`
`20:18.46`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I know what an action definition is`
`20:19.01`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I'm not retarded, i've just never used create thread`
`20:19.02`	`Bounty`	`Create Thread means that the action definition will run in its own thread`
`20:19.16`	`Bounty`	`like the trigger will fire the action and continue on rather then waiting for it to finish`
`20:19.18`	`JademusSreg`	`Don't worry, guys. I'll give it a shot later. It will be fun. =)`
`20:19.48`	`Bounty`	`U know whats gonna suck though Jade`
`20:20.05`	`Bounty`	`if i get use lagless WASD in Iconic Bosses im going to have to advertise the fact that its lagless more then the map itself`
`20:20.10`	`Bounty`	`bc nobody will believe me`
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`20:21.49`	`Deev`	`Evening`
`20:21.58`	`JademusSreg`	`Hah.`
`20:22.01`	`JademusSreg`	`Also, Hi.`
`20:22.34`	`Deev`	`Anyone got a moment to help me crack a trigger that have been annoying me; regarding creating a text tag at an enemy taking damage.`
`20:24.23`	`Bounty`	`sure`
`20:24.31`	`Bounty`	`i alrdy know the answer lol`
`20:24.52`	`Bounty`	`you want it to display damage text like in WoW?`
`20:25.13`	`Bounty`	`like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-kFj3SlHkI`
`20:25.22`	`Deev`	`Hmmm .. I guess that's fairly accurate. Well more so trying to create a critical hit event.`
`20:26.18`	`Deev`	`Alright, yes something in those lines. The current setup is:`
`20:26.30`	`JademusSreg`	`Paaaaastebin.`
`20:26.47`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`20:26.52`	`Bounty`	`ITS TO LATE JADE!`
`20:26.53`	`Deev`	`Any unit takes damage - fatal or non-fatal. [Condition] The damaging player is player 1 (Don't want the NPCs dmg text to showup)`
`20:26.54`	`Bounty`	`INCOMING`
`20:26.58`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha.`
`20:27.17`	`Bounty`	`Deev`
`20:27.20`	`Bounty`	`use www.pastebin.com`
`20:27.22`	`Bounty`	`it helps alot`
`20:27.27`	`Bounty`	`for us to understand`
`20:27.50`	`Deev`	`The current trigger is dissembled; but give me a moment.`
`20:29.04`	`DonKalypso`	`http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/536659`
`20:29.47`	`Bounty`	`Jade`
`20:29.50`	`Bounty`	`quick question`
`20:29.54`	`Bounty`	`the combos are now auto fire right`
`20:30.16`	`Bounty`	`but if you dont execute a combo properly from start to finish you have to clear the code by getting over 8 button presses`
`20:30.23`	`Bounty`	`my question is, im thinking of adding a timer window`
`20:30.35`	`JademusSreg`	`Timer window is good.`
`20:30.37`	`Bounty`	`like when you start attacking, after every attack you have X amount of time to attack again`
`20:30.40`	`Bounty`	`or it clears`
`20:30.46`	`JademusSreg`	`I like it.`
`20:30.56`	`Bounty`	`having to enter all 8 buttons would be annoying lol`
`20:31.01`	`Deev`	`Alright I've posted it on pastebin.`
`20:31.06`	`Bounty`	`ok now link it to us`
`20:31.12`	`JademusSreg`	`It's intuitive enough, doesn't require extyra button presses.`
`20:31.46`	`JademusSreg`	`Imagine playing a fighting game where you have to manually clear a move sequene because you botched a combo.`
`20:31.54`	`Deev`	`http://pastebin.com/YiyEhtz3`
`20:31.56`	`JademusSreg`	`*sequence`
`20:33.41`	`Sehkmet`	`mmmm a crunchier gameplay`
`20:33.44`	`Sehkmet`	`that sounds tasty`
`20:34.19`	`Deev`	`Theres a terrible idea for a game. Pringles RPG; You can't just have one!`
`20:34.39`	`JademusSreg`	`Crunchiness refers to the satisfaction of gameplay actions by themselves, even without the context of an objective.`
`20:35.34`	`JManV\|Work`	`i really have gimp sometimes`
`20:35.36`	`Deev`	`So I assume mindless grinding is the exact oppesite.`
`20:35.54`	`JademusSreg`	`Sure.`
`20:36.01`	`JManV\|Work`	`i mean its awesome... but is also a pain in the ass`
`20:36.14`	`JManV\|Work`	`like... why isn't there a line draw tool? or rectangle?`
`20:36.34`	`JademusSreg`	`Take the double jump in super smash brothers. That is a crunchy jump, depending on the character.`
`20:37.03`	`Deev`	`Take anything in SSMB; Everythings crunnchy.`
`20:37.21`	`JademusSreg`	`Yeah, pretty crunchy game overall.`
`20:37.26`	`Bounty`	`Deev`
`20:37.33`	`Deev`	`Present and accounted for.`
`20:37.36`	`Bounty`	`i dont see the problem? lol`
`20:37.41`	`Bounty`	`does it HAVE to display when a unit dies?`
`20:37.49`	`Bounty`	`or are you just getting annoying by the trigger error?`
`20:37.51`	`grim001_`	`cutting enemies in half with a giant rotating buzzsaw that you ride on top of is pretty crunchy`
`20:38.17`	`Deev`	`Not sure it returns an error; But it just doesn't show up when units die - obviously since theres no "triggering unit" anymore.`
`20:38.20`	`Bounty`	`Because you can get rid of the trigger error by putting "Trigginering Unit = Alive" under conditions`
`20:38.48`	`Deev`	`Avoiding problems isn't the same as finding a solution; If it was Math would have been so much easier.`
`20:39.03`	`Bounty`	`just make a trigger for unit deaths lol`
`20:39.26`	`Deev`	`"So you got a mathmatical problem? Multiply it with zero, problem solved!"`
`20:39.32`	`Bounty`	`but put the "Triggering Unit = Alive" condition under that damage trigger`
`20:39.37`	`Bounty`	`so u dont get that error`
`20:40.07`	`Deev`	`I'm not worries about the error; But I still want it to show up even when they die.`
`20:40.46`	`Deev`	`There ought to be an option "Last died unit"`
`20:40.50`	`JademusSreg`	`Crunchiness has two components, action and effect, crunchiness is preceeded by slickness, which refers to the relationship between controller input and action.`
`20:41.21`	`JademusSreg`	`For instance, bounty is working on making his map crunchier and slicker.`
`20:41.35`	`Bounty`	`Indeed i am`
`20:41.38`	`Bounty`	`btw`
`20:41.40`	`Bounty`	`apparently 3 seconds`
`20:41.44`	`Bounty`	`is way to large of a window`
`20:41.46`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`20:41.49`	`JademusSreg`	`I hear slickness is sometimes called slipperiness, as well.`
`20:41.50`	`Bounty`	`feels so slow ><`
`20:42.08`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`i hear slipperiness is sometimes prioritized over crunchiness`
`20:42.47`	`Bounty`	`WTF`
`20:42.50`	`Bounty`	`even 2 seconds`
`20:42.50`	`JademusSreg`	`I like both. =)`
`20:42.52`	`Bounty`	`feels like forever`
`20:42.54`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`20:43.00`	`Bounty`	`what do u think Jade?`
`20:43.02`	`Dekar`	`this chat makes me hungry`
`20:43.03`	`JademusSreg`	`Make it 1.5 or second.`
`20:43.12`	`Dekar`	`i want some crunchy chicken wings`
`20:43.19`	`Bounty`	`kk ill try 1.5`
`20:43.19`	`JademusSreg`	`*or 1`
`20:43.28`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Make it taco time`
`20:43.33`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Raining tacos`
`20:43.37`	`Bounty`	`im gonna try to get the mouse clicks to be lagless by 2night`
`20:43.37`	`JademusSreg`	`I'm concerned that at 1 combos will break due to latency.`
`20:43.47`	`Deev`	`Make it permanent, so if you miss a combo at all; you're so doomed!`
`20:43.48`	`Bounty`	`Getting mouse clicks to be lagless is x10 easier then wasd`
`20:44.13`	`Bounty`	`1.5 feels good`
`20:44.36`	`Dekar`	`can you chain combos by using the end of the previous combo?`
`20:44.46`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`20:44.47`	`Bounty`	`slow down buddy`
`20:44.50`	`Bounty`	`=P`
`20:44.58`	`Bounty`	`^that means no`
`20:45.02`	`Dekar`	`:(`
`20:45.13`	`Bounty`	`gotta get it feeling fresh before we get into stuff like that`
`20:45.38`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I think we are the freshest princes around`
`20:46.26`	`JademusSreg`	`Quickly! To youtube for a clip of the opening sequence!`
`20:46.35`	`Deev`	`Any of yo' on the EU Battlenet ?`
`20:46.49`	`Skittles`	`jamnv what time is na map night? 8 again?`
`20:46.49`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I just realized how AMAZINGLY TIRED I am`
`20:47.25`	`JManV\|Work`	`yeah, 8pm`
`20:47.28`	`Bounty`	`Is it true that loops are better then periodic triggers?`
`20:47.30`	`JManV\|Work`	`~4 hours`
`20:47.59`	`Bounty`	`bc i have a periodic that fires VERY often`
`20:48.10`	`Bounty`	`if it would be better to put it into a loop i would like to know lol`
`20:48.23`	`JManV\|Work`	`likely yes`
`20:48.34`	`Skittles`	`k`
`20:48.39`	`JManV\|Work`	`it's not a "this is always better than that" kind of situation`
`20:48.47`	`JademusSreg`	`Timers probably require more ops from the engine.`
`20:48.48`	`Bounty`	`yeah i know`
`20:48.50`	`Deev`	`What you do is -`
`20:48.56`	`Bounty`	`but someone told me that periodics cause more lag`
`20:48.57`	`JManV\|Work`	`skit: join a little early if you want to join in on ventrilo`
`20:49.00`	`Skittles`	`i dont think it matters if u use a periodic or a while`
`20:49.03`	`Skittles`	`k`
`20:49.06`	`Deev`	`Create a map and LOAD it up with periodic events, then run it and see how much it lags; then do the same for loop.`
`20:49.08`	`Skittles`	`but 4 hours?`
`20:49.08`	`Bounty`	`well`
`20:49.10`	`JademusSreg`	`Not to mention triggers and timers.`
`20:49.15`	`Skittles`	`oh right, nvm i get it.`
`20:49.18`	`Bounty`	`someone said`
`20:49.20`	`Skittles`	`Forgot your eastern`
`20:49.25`	`Bounty`	`everytime a trigger fires it causes latency`
`20:49.30`	`Bounty`	`so if its al oop`
`20:49.33`	`JManV\|Work`	`yeah, 8pm eastern`
`20:49.35`	`Bounty`	`the trigger only fires once`
`20:49.36`	`Skittles`	`well, what I was thinking it may be better, is because`
`20:49.47`	`Skittles`	`if u have variables defining and such`
`20:49.57`	`Skittles`	`it wont have need to do as much work if it already has it created`
`20:49.58`	`Deev`	`Seriously the EU battlenet is so empty even here at 10PM`
`20:50.03`	`JManV\|Work`	`generally, i think loops are a little faster`
`20:50.06`	`Bounty`	`well`
`20:50.09`	`Bounty`	`my periodic`
`20:50.16`	`JManV\|Work`	`but not always necessarily`
`20:50.19`	`Bounty`	`fires about 15 action definition create threads`
`20:50.22`	`Bounty`	`every .06 seconds`
`20:50.23`	`JManV\|Work`	`some of it depends on circumstance`
`20:50.23`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`20:50.27`	`Skittles`	`somehow, I get 160 fps on my map. lol`
`20:50.33`	`JManV\|Work`	`dear god`
`20:50.42`	`Skittles`	`Weird how on wc3... same computer.. I would get normally like 60 fps maybe`
`20:50.44`	`Bounty`	`the lag isnt bad at all though`
`20:50.46`	`Bounty`	`its just...`
`20:50.48`	`JManV\|Work`	`15 action definitons, ~20 times a sec?`
`20:50.49`	`Bounty`	`i wanna make it better`
`20:50.58`	`Bounty`	`yeah thats why i multi threaded them lol`
`20:51.25`	`Skittles`	`15 action definitions doesn't mean anything`
`20:51.30`	`Skittles`	`if they end instantly`
`20:51.47`	`JManV\|Work`	`it's still 15 function calls`
`20:51.51`	`JManV\|Work`	`function calls aren't free`
`20:51.55`	`Skittles`	`like my projectile system would do that and I could do like a ton n all`
`20:52.16`	`Skittles`	`without any lag`
`20:52.20`	`Deev`	`What you do; is make a loop that activates another loop that creates a new instance of the first loop. That'll spin it out of control if you put in any action that req. memory`
`20:52.35`	`Skittles`	`should use whiles not loops.`
`20:52.44`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`whiles are loops..`
`20:52.48`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`:p`
`20:52.50`	`JManV\|Work`	`while is a subset of loops`
`20:52.51`	`Skittles`	`yeah, but there's a loop action`
`20:52.59`	`Bounty`	`whats wrong with using a Repeat Forever?`
`20:53.03`	`Bounty`	`u dont need a condition`
`20:53.12`	`Skittles`	`because they do a ton more work`
`20:53.15`	`Skittles`	`someone posted the code b4`
`20:53.16`	`Deev`	`Forever just seems like a long time to play a map.`
`20:53.21`	`Skittles`	`and it was like 5 compared to 80 lines`
`20:53.23`	`JManV\|Work`	`blizz has said that "while" is the fastest of the loops`
`20:53.29`	`Bounty`	`fuck`
`20:53.31`	`Bounty`	`im an idiot`
`20:53.38`	`Bounty`	`when i tested the lagless wasd method`
`20:53.41`	`Bounty`	`i used a Repeat forever`
`20:53.43`	`JManV\|Work`	`while(1=1) is usually the standard`
`20:53.47`	`Bounty`	`the delay was only 0.2 seconds though`
`20:53.49`	`Skittles`	`besides, conditions are nice to have built in prehand`
`20:54.11`	`Bounty`	`yeah but what condition do i put in`
`20:54.18`	`Bounty`	`while - Player any = active?`
`20:54.23`	`Skittles`	`for playing forever?`
`20:54.26`	`Bounty`	`yeah`
`20:54.26`	`JManV\|Work`	`oh wait, you can't do 1=1 can you`
`20:54.30`	`Skittles`	`Dont put one in.`
`20:54.41`	`Bounty`	`fuck`
`20:54.44`	`Bounty`	`HERP DERP`
`20:54.46`	`Bounty`	`<---`
`20:54.47`	`Skittles`	`lol`
`20:54.58`	`Skittles`	`but what do these triggers do?`
`20:55.00`	`JManV\|Work`	`wouldn't that be a while(0) and do noting?`
`20:55.01`	`Bounty`	`i think this might work....`
`20:55.07`	`Bounty`	`well`
`20:55.13`	`JademusSreg`	`Uh.`
`20:55.14`	`Bounty`	`someone showed me lagless wasd lastn ight`
`20:55.19`	`Skittles`	`cause you should probably add like a .1 second wait`
`20:55.20`	`JademusSreg`	`while (true)`
`20:55.23`	`JademusSreg`	`=P`
`20:55.23`	`Bounty`	`and he said he used a loop`
`20:55.27`	`Bounty`	`that multi threaded actions`
`20:55.32`	`Bounty`	`and use the boolean wasd method`
`20:55.42`	`Skittles`	`sounds like a load of bull. :p`
`20:55.45`	`Bounty`	`no`
`20:55.47`	`Bounty`	`he showed me`
`20:55.50`	`Bounty`	`i pressed the button`
`20:55.52`	`Bounty`	`and it was instant`
`20:55.54`	`JManV\|Work`	`doesn't believe in the lockness monster, big foot, santa, or lagless WASD`
`20:55.55`	`Bounty`	`everytime`
`20:55.57`	`Skittles`	`jmanv has a pretty good wasd system`
`20:56.08`	`Bounty`	`his name was Fockewulf`
`20:56.09`	`JademusSreg`	`Wait(0,c_timeGame);`
`20:56.11`	`Bounty`	`dont believe me`
`20:56.12`	`Bounty`	`ask him to show u`
`20:56.14`	`Skittles`	`but yeah... You CANT fix lantency via a trigger.`
`20:56.21`	`Bounty`	`dude im telling u`
`20:56.23`	`Bounty`	`the shit was instant`
`20:56.32`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I'll get wulf to show me`
`20:56.37`	`JademusSreg`	`Goddamned wizards!`
`20:56.39`	`Bounty`	`yeah, just ask him to show u`
`20:56.40`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I dont mind teamwhateverthefuck`
`20:56.40`	`Skittles`	`mhmm`
`20:56.43`	`Bounty`	`no`
`20:56.45`	`Skittles`	`lol`
`20:56.46`	`Bounty`	`dont do that Shawn`
`20:56.48`	`Bounty`	`just ask him to show u the map`
`20:56.55`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`No, i want the system`
`20:56.59`	`Skittles`	`haha`
`20:57.01`	`JManV\|Work`	`mine WASD is only 4 dircection tho`
`20:57.06`	`JManV\|Work`	`but i can show you the loop`
`20:57.09`	`Bounty`	`what method do u use jman`
`20:57.11`	`Bounty`	`booleans?`
`20:57.16`	`Skittles`	`yeah but not like adding directions is hard`
`20:57.23`	`Bounty`	`no its not`
`20:57.32`	`JademusSreg`	`Man, this arguing is silly. I'm just going to write it now so everyone can move on from this boring topic.`
`20:57.32`	`Bounty`	`u just check to see if W+A are press at the same time`
`20:57.35`	`Bounty`	`etc`
`20:57.42`	`JManV\|Work`	`it doesn't use bools tho. it uses a single stored direction`
`20:57.43`	`Bounty`	`assuming ur using booleans`
`20:58.03`	`Skittles`	`no need to go that far I would assume`
`20:58.07`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`i has cookie`
`20:58.14`	`Bounty`	`apparently booleans are the fastest?`
`20:58.19`	`Bounty`	`think DarkRev said that`
`20:58.20`	`Skittles`	`just if d is pressed, add +5 angle to the facing of the unit`
`20:58.29`	`Skittles`	`if a is pressed, add -5`
`20:58.36`	`Bounty`	`oh`
`20:58.41`	`Bounty`	`so its a constant math problem?`
`20:58.48`	`Bounty`	`u should use booleans`
`20:58.49`	`Skittles`	`whatcha mean?`
`20:58.53`	`Skittles`	`I dont use wasd.`
`20:58.57`	`JManV\|Work`	`http://pastebin.com/JtpYie0M`
`20:59.35`	`JManV\|Work`	`ew. i don't like that i have a parameter and a variable with the same name`
`20:59.37`	`JManV\|Work`	`but still`
`20:59.47`	`JManV\|Work`	`you could build your while around checking those bools`
`20:59.59`	`Skittles`	`mmhmm`
`21:00.27`	`JManV\|Work`	`lines 27-33 are a special case for my map`
`21:00.34`	`Skittles`	`gah, I need to learn how to flip models and actor sideways`
`21:00.42`	`JManV\|Work`	`when the are being teleported to a building, i need to pause (not stop) WASD movement`
`21:00.46`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`look at prozaics tuts`
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`21:00.52`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`site ops i think`
`21:00.52`	`JManV\|Work`	`you shouldn't need that element`
`21:01.05`	`JManV\|Work`	`line 33 would stay tho`
`21:01.13`	`Bounty`	`JManV`
`21:01.18`	`Bounty`	`wouldnt booleans be faster then that?`
`21:01.21`	`Bounty`	`and you could get 8 way movement...`
`21:01.31`	`JManV\|Work`	`i chose to do 4 directional`
`21:01.36`	`Skittles`	`he has a pokemon game`
`21:01.39`	`JManV\|Work`	`because of the retro feel`
`21:01.40`	`Bounty`	`ah ok`
`21:01.42`	`Bounty`	`gotcha`
`21:01.46`	`Bounty`	`but neways`
`21:01.53`	`Bounty`	`booleans, would they not be faster then that?`
`21:02.00`	`Bounty`	`and since your only doing 4 way`
`21:02.07`	`Bounty`	`it would be so easy`
`21:02.41`	`JManV\|Work`	`i'm prolly gonna make it 8-direction, but that's neither here nor there`
`21:02.52`	`JManV\|Work`	`and no, it's faster to check 1 variable than to check 4`
`21:03.06`	`JManV\|Work`	`but not by much`
`21:03.27`	`JManV\|Work`	`it's also easier to manage 1 variable than 4. so for 4-directional movement, 1 variable was optimal`
`21:03.34`	`JManV\|Work`	`for 8-directional, you need 4 variables`
`21:03.41`	`Bounty`	`how much delay do u get`
`21:04.04`	`JManV\|Work`	`initial delay is barely noticeable, but it's there`
`21:04.14`	`Bounty`	`.1 seconds?`
`21:04.33`	`JManV\|Work`	`whatever the norm is`
`21:04.37`	`JManV\|Work`	`there really is no way around that`
`21:04.43`	`Bounty`	`the norm is .5 seconds`
`21:05.00`	`JManV\|Work`	`it feel faster than 0.5, but i can't say for certain`
`21:05.30`	`JManV\|Work`	`it doesn't have a negative impact because the game is slow paced, and 100% movement accuracy is unnecessary`
`21:05.50`	`JManV\|Work`	`previosly, the movement itself caused game lag spikes, and the movement was jerky`
`21:05.54`	`JManV\|Work`	`but i recently fixed that`
`21:06.25`	`Sehkmet`	`well! im going DEEPLY in-game! bye guys`
`21:06.43`	`Sehkmet`	`ahh btw.. jmanv..`
`21:06.51`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Yup. I'll try PMing this wulf guy when i get back from the interview`
`21:06.57`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`We'll see`
`21:06.58`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`>.>`
`21:07.00`	`Sehkmet`	`at in how much hours you'r going to start the party?`
`21:07.06`	`Sehkmet`	`without the AT*`
`21:07.13`	`JManV\|Work`	`4 hours`
`21:07.19`	`JManV\|Work`	`8pm eastern,`
`21:07.22`	`Sehkmet`	`ooooooks!`
`21:07.29`	`Bounty`	`oh and is it just me or is it faster to make seperate triggers rather then pile them all into one with if thens`
`21:07.30`	`JManV\|Work`	`7 centeral, 6 mountain, 5 pacific`
`21:07.30`	`Sehkmet`	`where im living its 6 pm`
`21:07.35`	`Sehkmet`	`so.. its at 10pm`
`21:07.48`	`JManV\|Work`	`yes`
`21:08.04`	`Sehkmet`	`kk! see ya, brb !`
`21:08.19`	`JManV\|Work`	`it's presumably faster to let the game engine do the if/then/elses`
`21:08.35`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Switch would be even better probably`
`21:08.48`	`Bounty`	`switch is faster?`
`21:09.01`	`JManV\|Work`	`i mean, seperate triggers are generally faster than 1 trigger with an if/then/else`
`21:09.05`	`JManV\|Work`	`generally speaking`
`21:09.05`	`Bounty`	`so for wasd with booleans i should use a switch rather then if thens?`
`21:09.22`	`JManV\|Work`	`switches are slower than if/then/elses, as i understand it`
`21:09.28`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Really?`
`21:09.35`	`JManV\|Work`	`that's what i'm told`
`21:09.35`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Huh.`
`21:09.43`	`JManV\|Work`	`none of this has been benchmarked`
`21:09.52`	`JManV\|Work`	`perhaps blizz benchmarked it at some point`
`21:09.55`	`JManV\|Work`	`can't say`
`21:10.18`	`JManV\|Work`	`but there are "oddities" with switches, as i understand`
`21:10.27`	`JManV\|Work`	`i've never had a problem with them, per se`
`21:10.29`	`Bounty`	`oh and heres a good one for u`
`21:10.41`	`JManV\|Work`	`but i do understand how they could be a little slower`
`21:10.42`	`Bounty`	`say you have integer parameters for an action definition`
`21:10.50`	`Bounty`	`would it be better to execute them manually`
`21:10.52`	`Bounty`	`like`
`21:11.03`	`Bounty`	`run action definition (1)`
`21:11.08`	`Bounty`	`run action definition (2)`
`21:11.09`	`Bounty`	`or`
`21:11.16`	`Bounty`	`would it be better to use pick each integer`
`21:11.23`	`Bounty`	`run action definition (picked integer)`
`21:11.28`	`Bounty`	`><`
`21:11.43`	`JManV\|Work`	`yeah, what you're talking about is called an "unrolled loop"`
`21:11.50`	`JManV\|Work`	`and it would be faster`
`21:12.03`	`Bounty`	`to use pick each integer?`
`21:12.07`	`JManV\|Work`	`but its generally reserved for when its absiolutely necessary`
`21:12.13`	`Bounty`	`well`
`21:12.14`	`JManV\|Work`	`it would be faster to unroll the loop`
`21:12.17`	`Bounty`	`u know those 14 action definitions?`
`21:12.22`	`Bounty`	`there are only about 3 types`
`21:12.26`	`Bounty`	`just each needs a diff integer`
`21:12.28`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`21:12.43`	`JManV\|Work`	`if you unroll the loop, you won't have the loop overhead`
`21:12.48`	`JManV\|Work`	`which is small, but still there`
`21:13.09`	`JManV\|Work`	`when you have a really, really tight loop, you can sometimes benefit from unrolling loops like that`
`21:13.23`	`Bounty`	`i dont know wtf ur saying`
`21:13.27`	`Bounty`	`it was a yes or no question =P`
`21:13.32`	`JademusSreg`	`The GUI implementation of switch just compiles to if else blocks.`
`21:13.36`	`Bounty`	`do i use pick each integer or not lol`
`21:13.55`	`JManV\|Work`	`in your case, id say use the interger literals`
`21:14.01`	`JManV\|Work`	`it might help`
`21:14.05`	`JManV\|Work`	`and it won't hurt much`
`21:14.10`	`Bounty`	`ok`
`21:14.13`	`Bounty`	`and last question`
`21:14.15`	`JManV\|Work`	`14 isn't that big of a number`
`21:14.19`	`Bounty`	`for my boolean wasd`
`21:14.26`	`Bounty`	`i have one action def that checks for all combinations`
`21:14.29`	`Bounty`	`or`
`21:14.29`	`JademusSreg`	`Because galaxy lacks native switches. So there's practically no difference between using GUI switches and if else blocks, except that switch blocks help manage the complexity.`
`21:14.39`	`Bounty`	`i could make a thread for each condition`
`21:14.43`	`Bounty`	`and it checks them all seperately`
`21:14.47`	`Bounty`	`but in their own thread`
`21:14.55`	`Bounty`	`thoughts? faster? =P`
`21:15.28`	`JManV\|Work`	`jade: i've heard mumbles about switch. that doesn't mean their founded.`
`21:15.36`	`JManV\|Work`	`i used switches liberally, personally`
`21:15.55`	`JademusSreg`	`Question, how are you getting the input? Triggers or some more esoteric, magical way?`
`21:15.56`	`JManV\|Work`	`bounty: i don't understand your obession with threads`
`21:16.16`	`Bounty`	`bc its faster sometimes`
`21:16.25`	`Bounty`	`like`
`21:16.27`	`JademusSreg`	`You mean you use switches liberally in general or in triggers?`
`21:16.31`	`Bounty`	`if i can have 8 threads each checking one condition`
`21:16.35`	`Bounty`	`or one checking checking all 8`
`21:16.39`	`JManV\|Work`	`in triggers and in general`
`21:16.41`	`Bounty`	`8 threads would be faster`
`21:16.45`	`JManV\|Work`	`switch is an awesome construct`
`21:16.45`	`Bounty`	`if they only gotta check 1 condition`
`21:16.49`	`JademusSreg`	`Yup.`
`21:17.00`	`JManV\|Work`	`they don't actually run simultaneously, bounty`
`21:17.09`	`JManV\|Work`	`there probably won't be a difference at all`
`21:17.23`	`JManV\|Work`	`a thread only gives up control in specific circumstances`
`21:17.30`	`JManV\|Work`	`otherwise, it's just linear`
`21:17.41`	`Bounty`	`sec`
`21:17.46`	`Bounty`	`im gonna link this system in pastebin`
`21:17.46`	`Bounty`	`kk?`
`21:17.48`	`JManV\|Work`	`and a function can't be threaded`
`21:17.53`	`Bounty`	`and u just tell me what i should do to make it faster`
`21:18.19`	`JManV\|Work`	`bounty: threads are for when there's a really good reason to thread something. they're not the default`
`21:18.25`	`Bounty`	`Here is the loop`
`21:18.25`	`Bounty`	`http://pastebin.com/vgpHnWip`
`21:18.31`	`DonKalypso`	`damn`
`21:18.47`	`JManV\|Work`	`in fact, switching between threads can actually be slower`
`21:18.52`	`DonKalypso`	`If the other songs are as good as Howl of the Departed, I just might grab Lost Odyssey`
`21:19.00`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Hjalte (~chatzilla@cpe.ge-0-2-0-835.arcnqu2.customer.tele.dk)`
`21:19.05`	`JManV\|Work`	`multi-threading has overhead`
`21:19.27`	`Bounty`	`here is the action definition`
`21:19.28`	`Bounty`	`http://pastebin.com/jiq5vRCL`
`21:19.34`	`Bounty`	`let me know if u see anything`
`21:19.37`	`Bounty`	`thats the entire movement system`
`21:19.49`	`JManV\|Work`	`i found that you actually /can/ update the command too fast`
`21:19.49`	`Bounty`	`(that i want to put into iconic bosses)`
`21:20.05`	`JManV\|Work`	`in order to make my movement smoother, i actually reduced the number of updates per second`
`21:20.07`	`JManV\|Work`	`from 10 to 8`
`21:20.14`	`JManV\|Work`	`you've got it at like 32`
`21:20.14`	`Bounty`	`JMan`
`21:20.18`	`Bounty`	`take a look`
`21:20.49`	`grim001_`	`ok, the real truth is that unrolling your loops or whatever will have absolutely no effect on performance, so don't waste your time`
`21:20.53`	`JManV\|Work`	`oh dear god`
`21:21.08`	`grim001_`	`code it in whatever representation is most pleasant to work with`
`21:21.24`	`JManV\|Work`	`there's some overhead to the loop`
`21:21.30`	`Bounty`	`?`
`21:21.38`	`grim001_`	`sure, but who cares, its not going to affect anything performance wise`
`21:21.40`	`JManV\|Work`	`if executed 32 * nPlayers times per second, it /can/ add up`
`21:22.04`	`grim001_`	`not really, it takes a lot more than that to have any impact`
`21:22.08`	`JManV\|Work`	`although i do generally agree that easier to read and maintain code is better`
`21:22.14`	`Bounty`	`....`
`21:22.15`	`grim001_`	`the contents of the loop are much more relevant to performance`
`21:22.20`	`Bounty`	`is anyone goign to look at the pastebins i posted please`
`21:22.22`	`JManV\|Work`	`except where performance is key`
`21:22.22`	`Saeris`	`mmmm`
`21:22.26`	`Bounty`	`and tell me if there is anything wrong wit hthat`
`21:22.43`	`Bounty`	`and if i can do anythign to get it to run faster`
`21:22.45`	`grim001_`	`there is no such thing as "where performance is key" as far as any system I have ever seen anyone make before, except perhaps my physics engine in wc3`
`21:22.55`	`Saeris`	`isn't the issue with WASD systems not the CPU overhead, but the network latenency that fouls up WASD between multiple players?`
`21:22.57`	`grim001_`	`and even then only in the collision section of the code`
`21:23.11`	`JManV\|Work`	`i've written graphics routines before. unrolling loops is the norm.`
`21:23.18`	`Bounty`	`HELLO?`
`21:23.20`	`Bounty`	`can u guys stop arguing`
`21:23.26`	`Bounty`	`lol jesus`
`21:23.27`	`JManV\|Work`	`ofc that was on much slower computers at the time`
`21:23.28`	`JademusSreg`	`Network latency and the speed with which the engine handles the input.`
`21:23.29`	`grim001_`	`any "performance improvement" people are seeing from changing their coding practices like that is simply placebo effect`
`21:23.34`	`Bounty`	`omfg`
`21:23.37`	`Bounty`	`forget it then`
`21:23.56`	`grim001_`	`reading GUI is too ugly for me bounty`
`21:24.27`	`JManV\|Work`	`i dunno. i think milliseconds do count in WASD programming. and i've seen it`
`21:24.28`	`Saeris`	`sorry, didn't mean to add to the argument bounty`
`21:24.36`	`Bounty`	`all i need to know is if there is anything that can be improved for better performance to those triggers`
`21:24.43`	`Saeris`	`but really when it comes to WASD, i don't think any manner of coding it will make a huge difference`
`21:24.46`	`JManV\|Work`	`anyways, i think those should be seperate triggers if possible`
`21:24.52`	`Bounty`	`HEY GUYS HOW ABOUT THIS`
`21:24.54`	`grim001_`	`JManV, there is absolutely no difference in the execution speed, it all happens between frames`
`21:24.55`	`Saeris`	`if anything test it, that's the only true indicator`
`21:24.57`	`JManV\|Work`	`but bounty:`
`21:25.02`	`JManV\|Work`	`^`
`21:25.06`	`Bounty`	`IM ASKIGN THIS QUESTION BECAUSE SOMEONE SHOWED MY LAGLESS TRIGGER WASD LAST NIGHT`
`21:25.11`	`Bounty`	`so stop f*cking arguing about it`
`21:25.16`	`JManV\|Work`	`don't optimize something that doesn't need optimization`
`21:25.25`	`JManV\|Work`	`that's the number one rule of program optimization`
`21:25.31`	`Bounty`	`JMan`
`21:25.36`	`JManV\|Work`	`don't look for tweaks until you know there's a problem`
`21:25.36`	`grim001_`	`unless you see SC2's framerate go down visibly as a result of executing code, there is no way that changing it will make the game run faster`
`21:25.43`	`Bounty`	`thats what im asking`
`21:25.51`	`Bounty`	`IS THERE ANYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE OPTIMIZED lol`
`21:25.55`	`Saeris`	`no`
`21:25.58`	`JManV\|Work`	`is it slow? is it lagging?`
`21:26.00`	`grim001_`	`Bounty: yes, rewrite it in Galaxy`
`21:26.04`	`JManV\|Work`	`:P`
`21:26.13`	`Bounty`	`it is alittle bit`
`21:26.18`	`JManV\|Work`	`now you know that won't help`
`21:26.28`	`Bounty`	`look`
`21:26.30`	`Bounty`	`my question is`
`21:26.33`	`JManV\|Work`	`bounty: then change this line:`
`21:26.34`	`Bounty`	`you see that action definition?`
`21:26.34`	`JManV\|Work`	`General - Wait 0.0001 Real Time seconds`
`21:26.43`	`JManV\|Work`	`to something a little more practical`
`21:26.46`	`Bounty`	`and how it has to check 8 diff conditions`
`21:26.50`	`Bounty`	`what im wondering is`
`21:26.54`	`Deaod`	`change it to 0`
`21:26.59`	`Bounty`	`would it be better to take each of those conditions`
`21:27.08`	`Bounty`	`and put them into their own fuction`
`21:27.08`	`grim001_`	`JMan, try to imagine what I'm saying like this: if you have X amount of time "between frames" for script to execute, unless you actually use up all of that time, nothing you are doing makes a bit of performance difference`
`21:27.09`	`JManV\|Work`	`i disagree. change it to 0.1 or something around there`
`21:27.13`	`Saeris`	`no bounty`
`21:27.18`	`Saeris`	`it won't make a difference`
`21:27.27`	`JManV\|Work`	`grim: i do understand what your saying`
`21:27.27`	`Bounty`	`jman`
`21:27.29`	`Bounty`	`why .1`
`21:27.33`	`JManV\|Work`	`but WASD can be really slow`
`21:27.36`	`Bounty`	`that would be alittle slow for movement wouldnt it?`
`21:27.40`	`JManV\|Work`	`you're updating /too often/`
`21:27.54`	`Deaod`	`no.`
`21:27.55`	`Skittles`	`=D`
`21:28.01`	`grim001_`	`JMan, WASD being slow has got nothing to do with performance, and performance tweaks won't make it any more responsive`
`21:28.04`	`Skittles`	`Leap is done. Minus dmg & sfx`
`21:28.06`	`JManV\|Work`	`bounty: mine it 0.125`
`21:28.08`	`Deaod`	`hes updating 16 times per second.`
`21:28.10`	`grim001_`	`it has to do with SC2's netcode`
`21:28.17`	`grim001_`	`and the way events work in general`
`21:28.22`	`JManV\|Work`	`grim: if not done right, it will downright lag spike`
`21:28.26`	`Bounty`	`ok well`
`21:28.37`	`Bounty`	`would making it update every 0.1 seconds instead make it run better? =P`
`21:28.46`	`JManV\|Work`	`cuz it's doing less?`
`21:28.47`	`grim001_`	`jman, someone's gotta be coding really poorly to cause the game to lagspike from just a WASD system`
`21:28.56`	`Bounty`	`btw`
`21:28.59`	`JManV\|Work`	`have you made one/`
`21:29.03`	`Bounty`	`i love how nobody listens to what i said earlier lol`
`21:29.09`	`Bounty`	`that someone showed me LAGLESS TRIGGER WASD`
`21:29.14`	`Bounty`	`and im trying to recreate it`
`21:29.15`	`JManV\|Work`	`doesn't exist`
`21:29.19`	`Bounty`	`dude`
`21:29.23`	`Bounty`	`once again`
`21:29.27`	`JManV\|Work`	`i'll believe it when i see it`
`21:29.28`	`Bounty`	`i jsut said someone showed me it`
`21:29.29`	`Bounty`	`ok`
`21:29.30`	`Deaod`	`sure, in singleplayer.`
`21:29.32`	`Bounty`	`Fockewulf was his name`
`21:29.32`	`Saeris`	`bounty, look at it this way, you're sending out a bit of information between all players at a rate of once per 0.0001 sec, right? that's a lot of info that needs to be synced constantly`
`21:29.34`	`JManV\|Work`	`and since i'll never see it`
`21:29.34`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`21:29.38`	`Saeris`	`it will lag`
`21:29.40`	`Saeris`	`no matter what`
`21:29.43`	`Bounty`	`wow`
`21:29.48`	`Bounty`	`see now hes the problem`
`21:29.53`	`Bounty`	`if i make a game that actually has lagless wasd`
`21:30.04`	`Bounty`	`people with attitudes liek that wont even play it bc they think im lieng`
`21:30.10`	`Bounty`	`FOCKEWULF was his name`
`21:30.13`	`Bounty`	`hes in here alot`
`21:30.15`	`Bounty`	`ask him to show u`
`21:30.18`	`grim001_`	`you guys don't seem to know that SC2's scripting engine runs in specific intervals and there's no such thing as 0.00001 seconds as far as SC2 is concerned`
`21:30.24`	`Bounty`	`and i expect handjobs when you're prooven wrong`
`21:30.26`	`Bounty`	`=P`
`21:30.31`	`JManV\|Work`	`i'm aware of that`
`21:30.34`	`Deaod`	`listen to grim please.`
`21:30.38`	`JManV\|Work`	`min is 1/32nd, isn't it?`
`21:30.41`	`Skittles`	`grim's right tho, if u use wait 0, it's not instant.`
`21:30.46`	`JManV\|Work`	`anything less gets rounded up`
`21:30.51`	`Dekar`	`people here talk too much`
`21:30.58`	`JManV\|Work`	`i know i do :P`
`21:30.59`	`Bounty`	`Yeah they do Dekar`
`21:31.02`	`Bounty`	`considering after what i just said`
`21:31.05`	`Bounty`	`everyone should STFU`
`21:31.07`	`Bounty`	`and contact taht guy`
`21:31.08`	`grim001_`	`the absolute minimum is 1 / 44.8 if you run the game on Faster mode`
`21:31.10`	`Bounty`	`then blow me`
`21:31.12`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`21:31.13`	`Bounty`	`=P`
`21:31.19`	`JManV\|Work`	`bounty: i believe you imagined it`
`21:31.25`	`Bounty`	`bc im sitting here telling u guys i called this guy out`
`21:31.27`	`JManV\|Work`	`or thought what you saw was lagless`
`21:31.28`	`grim001_`	`but that can only be achieved with a Wait(0,0) loop and not with timers`
`21:31.29`	`Bounty`	`and he showed me it`
`21:31.32`	`Bounty`	`ok`
`21:31.32`	`JManV\|Work`	`because lagless is not possible`
`21:31.34`	`Bounty`	`JMaN`
`21:31.41`	`JManV\|Work`	`not possible`
`21:31.42`	`Bounty`	`do u live close to New Jersey?`
`21:31.50`	`JManV\|Work`	`i live in michigan`
`21:31.54`	`Bounty`	`ok thats not far`
`21:31.59`	`Bounty`	`When Fockewulf comes on`
`21:32.00`	`Bounty`	`and he shows u`
`21:32.05`	`Bounty`	`i expect favors`
`21:32.08`	`Bounty`	`=P`
`21:32.11`	`JManV\|Work`	`lagless on bnet?`
`21:32.14`	`Bounty`	`yes`
`21:32.15`	`JademusSreg`	`Sexual favors.`
`21:32.18`	`JManV\|Work`	`not possible`
`21:32.20`	`Bounty`	`ok`
`21:32.22`	`Bounty`	`keep denying it lol`
`21:32.26`	`Bounty`	`why the f*ck would i lie`
`21:32.28`	`Bounty`	`its not even my system`
`21:32.36`	`JManV\|Work`	`i'm not saying your lying`
`21:32.48`	`Bounty`	`yes you are`
`21:32.48`	`Bounty`	`you just said its not possible`
`21:32.48`	`Deaod`	`Bounty, you dont seem to understand that because theres no instant transmission of data, WASD cant be lagless.`
`21:32.53`	`JManV\|Work`	`i'm saying you think you saw something that wasn't what you actually saw`
`21:32.54`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`21:32.57`	`Bounty`	`ok then`
`21:32.59`	`Bounty`	`write down the name`
`21:33.01`	`Bounty`	`and contact him`
`21:33.03`	`Bounty`	`when he comes in here`
`21:33.07`	`Bounty`	`ok?`
`21:33.13`	`Deaod`	`you go look at it again, okay?`
`21:33.24`	`Bounty`	`i was playing the map for a good hour`
`21:33.24`	`Deaod`	`this time, start the map in multiplayer and let someone else host the game`
`21:33.29`	`Bounty`	`alright`
`21:33.30`	`Deaod`	`yes yes yes.`
`21:33.32`	`Bounty`	`keep acting like that`
`21:33.35`	`grim001_`	`SC2 does something with its netcode that makes it feel a lot faster than Wc3 did for non-host players, as long as you use the right approach`
`21:33.47`	`JManV\|Work`	`and there's no possible way that the dude started moving the instant you pressed that key`
`21:33.48`	`grim001_`	`but I am sure basing a movement system around orders is never going to be fast`
`21:33.57`	`Bounty`	`fucking forget i said nething`
`21:34.10`	`Bounty`	`not even worth it`
`21:34.16`	`JManV\|Work`	`i was trying, but you keep bringing it up :)`
`21:34.16`	`grim001_`	`orders are probably inherently slow just like WC3 and prone to cause lag if you spam them`
`21:34.28`	`grim001_`	`brb now`
`21:34.34`	`Deaod`	`thats why you dont use orders...`
`21:34.38`	`JManV\|Work`	`issuing orders doesn't seem to lag much`
`21:34.39`	`Deaod`	`wtf.`
`21:34.45`	`Deaod`	`who uses orders to move a unit?`
`21:34.45`	`JManV\|Work`	`it's intercepting the command in the first place`
`21:34.47`	`Bounty`	`but if you guys actually start using your brains rather then denying everything just contact that guy and then suck my balls after you're fact gets melted lol`
`21:34.57`	`Bounty`	`><`
`21:34.58`	`Bounty`	`your*`
`21:35.08`	`JManV\|Work`	`bounty: we understand the computer science behind why it isn't possible`
`21:35.17`	`JManV\|Work`	`it's not possible`
`21:35.26`	`JManV\|Work`	`that's not something that's up for debate. it's a fact.`
`21:35.45`	`Skittles`	`i love my new camera angle`
`21:35.58`	`Skittles`	`noticed while watching a d3 video that they changed it up since d2`
`21:36.07`	`JManV\|Work`	`is it better than my fight camera? :P`
`21:36.12`	`Dekar`	`i want to jump on the bandwagon in this discussion, who is right?`
`21:36.12`	`Skittles`	`it's now from a diagnol view, so if you go backwards your not going into ur self and what not`
`21:36.28`	`Skittles`	`u have a camera jman?`
`21:36.39`	`JManV\|Work`	`i was talking about the bug yesterday :P`
`21:36.52`	`JManV\|Work`	`there is a camera, yes, but you didn't see it work right`
`21:37.26`	`Skittles`	`oh yeah that`
`21:37.31`	`JManV\|Work`	`bounty: i'd really like to believe that lagless WASD is possible, but the fundamentals aren't there`
`21:37.36`	`Skittles`	`actually, yeah u could do ur camera that way if u want`
`21:37.43`	`JManV\|Work`	`you can have passable, even usuable WASD, but not lagless`
`21:37.53`	`Bounty`	`JManV the fact that you guys are saying i imagined something pisses me off lol`
`21:37.59`	`JManV\|Work`	`i actually attempted a tilt camera. it didn't look right`
`21:38.04`	`Bounty`	`like i dont know the differance between instant and a delay`
`21:38.07`	`Skittles`	`mm`
`21:38.09`	`Bounty`	`considering all my games are WASD`
`21:38.11`	`Bounty`	`i think i would know`
`21:38.11`	`Deaod`	`lots of people imagine things`
`21:38.12`	`JManV\|Work`	`i'm saying you misunderstand what you saw`
`21:38.16`	`Deaod`	`take religion.`
`21:38.20`	`*** join/#sc2mapster harl (harl@dslb-088-076-055-229.pools.arcor-ip.net)`
`21:38.21`	`Skittles`	`haha`
`21:38.22`	`JManV\|Work`	`"imagined" was a strong word and i apologize`
`21:38.23`	`Skittles`	`true dat`
`21:38.25`	`Dekar`	`maybe the sc2 engine locally predicts`
`21:38.26`	`Bounty`	`explain how i could have imagined it`
`21:38.33`	`Bounty`	`or misunderstould`
`21:38.39`	`Deaod`	`Dekar, not possible.`
`21:38.41`	`Bounty`	`i pressed a key`
`21:38.42`	`JManV\|Work`	`if you were looking for the wrong things`
`21:38.43`	`Bounty`	`and my guy moved`
`21:38.48`	`JManV\|Work`	`not instantly`
`21:38.51`	`JManV\|Work`	`there was lag`
`21:38.52`	`Bounty`	`yes instantly`
`21:38.56`	`Dekar`	`source engine predicts D:`
`21:39.01`	`Deaod`	`then you were testing locally.`
`21:39.08`	`Bounty`	`it wasnt my f*cking map`
`21:39.09`	`Deaod`	`Dekar, movement, yes.`
`21:39.13`	`Deaod`	`not the press of a button`
`21:39.24`	`Bounty`	`lol i cant wait for this guy to geto n`
`21:39.34`	`JManV\|Work`	`so we can refute it?`
`21:39.37`	`Bounty`	`nope`
`21:39.50`	`Bounty`	`so i can get a lifetime supply of ball suckers`
`21:39.56`	`Deaod`	`:)`
`21:39.56`	`Bounty`	`=P`
`21:40.04`	`Deaod`	`you seem awfully sure youre right.`
`21:40.06`	`Dekar`	`the question is`
`21:40.07`	`Deaod`	`so do we..`
`21:40.08`	`JManV\|Work`	`i'm sorry man. you're living a pipe dream. i'm just trying to help you get a more practical grasp on what the reality is`
`21:40.19`	`Bounty`	`all im saying is`
`21:40.24`	`Bounty`	`tell me how`
`21:40.28`	`Dekar`	`is "lagless" wasd movement equally lagless for the players looking at your units!`
`21:40.29`	`Bounty`	`i could have misunderstould what i was seeing`
`21:40.34`	`Bounty`	`When EVERY MAP ive made it wasd`
`21:40.39`	`Bounty`	`and i know what delay feels like`
`21:40.47`	`Bounty`	`ive made what... 13-16 maps?`
`21:40.58`	`JManV\|Work`	`maybe it just had less delay`
`21:40.59`	`Deaod`	`how did you move your units?`
`21:41.01`	`Bounty`	`so tell me how i could have misunderstould what i saw lol`
`21:41.02`	`JManV\|Work`	`that's reasonably possible`
`21:41.23`	`Skittles`	`jmanv when do u leave work?`
`21:41.28`	`Skittles`	`5?`
`21:41.29`	`JManV\|Work`	`shortly`
`21:41.34`	`JManV\|Work`	`yeah`
`21:41.37`	`Skittles`	`u should show bounty ur delay`
`21:41.52`	`Skittles`	`It was obviously less than most. Enough for me to say something about it yesterday.`
`21:42.00`	`Bounty`	`im gonna use my new system`
`21:42.04`	`Bounty`	`wit hthe booleans`
`21:42.07`	`JManV\|Work`	`but its definitely still there`
`21:42.07`	`Bounty`	`seems to work pretty good`
`21:42.19`	`Bounty`	`waht did u think of it JMan?`
`21:42.29`	`Bounty`	`its alot more simplistic then my current system`
`21:42.32`	`Bounty`	`but seems to run faster`
`21:42.37`	`JManV\|Work`	`that's how it should be done, gnerally`
`21:42.38`	`Deaod`	`Bounty, how did you move the units that are controlled with WASD in your previous attempts?`
`21:42.47`	`JManV\|Work`	`it seems a little more complicated than it needs to be tho`
`21:42.55`	`Bounty`	`with unit orders`
`21:42.58`	`Bounty`	`like everyone else lol`
`21:43.05`	`Bounty`	`but the way i offset the positions was wierd`
`21:43.07`	`Deaod`	`yeah, because its dumb as shit.`
`21:43.16`	`Bounty`	`?`
`21:43.25`	`JManV\|Work`	`you can't just teleport a unit`
`21:43.25`	`Bounty`	`there is no other way to do it`
`21:43.29`	`Deaod`	`yes?`
`21:43.33`	`Bounty`	`how?`
`21:43.33`	`Deaod`	`you can?`
`21:43.33`	`JManV\|Work`	`that's not fluid`
`21:43.46`	`Bounty`	`tell us oh great one how`
`21:43.49`	`Deaod`	`with 32 times per second its NEARLY fluid.`
`21:44.03`	`JManV\|Work`	`with 8 times per second mine IS fluid`
`21:44.12`	`Deaod`	`and uses orders`
`21:44.16`	`JManV\|Work`	`yup`
`21:44.23`	`Bounty`	`Deaod`
`21:44.27`	`Bounty`	`Do you watch Esports?`
`21:44.35`	`Deaod`	`sometimes.`
`21:44.43`	`Bounty`	`Do you think they are fair and balanced?`
`21:44.48`	`Deaod`	`what?`
`21:44.57`	`Bounty`	`Do you think Starcraft 2 Esports is fair and balanced`
`21:44.59`	`Saeris`	`hmmm, let's see.... instnatly moving a unit 32 times per second would look fluid, but there would be no animation on the unit, it would still look wrong`
`21:45.02`	`Skittles`	`stop arguing! You're scaring me!`
`21:45.03`	`JManV\|Work`	`what a asegue`
`21:45.04`	`Skittles`	`:p`
`21:45.12`	`JManV\|Work`	`someone's trying to change the subject :P`
`21:45.22`	`Bounty`	`Bc you're saying that giving the move order to unit lags/sucks`
`21:45.25`	`Bounty`	`So if thats true`
`21:45.26`	`Deaod`	`thats why there are natives to force the unit into an animation.`
`21:45.29`	`Bounty`	`all of Esports is ruined`
`21:45.32`	`Bounty`	`and must be stopped`
`21:45.39`	`Deaod`	`im not saying that.`
`21:45.42`	`Deaod`	`you idiot.`
`21:45.52`	`Bounty`	`then tell us why giving the move command sucks`
`21:45.56`	`Bounty`	`you douche.`
`21:45.59`	`JManV\|Work`	`i don't think the orders are the bottleneck at all`
`21:46.18`	`Bounty`	`Think of it like this`
`21:46.27`	`JManV\|Work`	`and if you require 32 loops per second to do what i can do in 8...`
`21:46.40`	`Deaod`	`because instead of only waiting for one world update, you need an additional world update.`
`21:46.40`	`Saeris`	`just a thought, considering you may not have considered it in making a WASD system`
`21:46.54`	`Bounty`	`If giving unit orders was the problem and Blizzard plans to make keypresses as fast as unit orders.... that sounds like the formula for space travel, or the end of the universe`
`21:47.01`	`Bounty`	`mind blown`
`21:47.02`	`Saeris`	`when you issue a move order, the unit may have a bit of dely due to their acceleration in their move properties`
`21:47.11`	`Saeris`	`just something that you may want to tweak`
`21:47.22`	`JManV\|Work`	`most units have acc of 1000`
`21:47.23`	`JManV\|Work`	`but not all`
`21:47.27`	`JademusSreg`	`Here's what I'm thinking would be good for handling input. Comments? http://pastebin.com/Y8eXPJcp`
`21:47.27`	`JManV\|Work`	`that's a decent point`
`21:47.39`	`Saeris`	`yea i figure it's a non issue in most cases`
`21:47.40`	`Deaod`	`not the only point though.`
`21:47.44`	`Saeris`	`but should be considered anyways`
`21:48.05`	`Saeris`	`it just adds to the perceived delay`
`21:48.21`	`JManV\|Work`	`that's fairly run-of-the-mill jade`
`21:48.27`	`Bounty`	`JademusSreg, i have no idea what the fuck that says`
`21:48.29`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`21:48.43`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha.`
`21:48.52`	`Bounty`	`something about a bool`
`21:48.56`	`Bounty`	`and a bunch of colors`
`21:48.58`	`Bounty`	`thats all i saw`
`21:49.01`	`JademusSreg`	`I have no concept of what other people are doing. =)`
`21:49.08`	`JademusSreg`	`I just do my own shit.`
`21:49.12`	`JManV\|Work`	`well, that's not the problem area, either`
`21:49.22`	`JManV\|Work`	`grabbing the input is fairly straightforward`
`21:49.24`	`Bounty`	`you know what could make wasd lagless?`
`21:49.25`	`Deaod`	`so, you have a loop that runs 32 times per gametime second.`
`21:49.34`	`Bounty`	`if u could periodicaly check to see if a key is pressed`
`21:49.35`	`JManV\|Work`	`the move loop is where people opinions.. differ.`
`21:49.42`	`JademusSreg`	`I wanted to make sure my grabbing of input is optimal before I write the next module.`
`21:49.51`	`Bounty`	`rather then having to use the key press event in conjuction with the key pressed condition`
`21:49.56`	`Bounty`	`i think that would work`
`21:49.59`	`JManV\|Work`	`i don't see how it could be much more optimal;`
`21:50.01`	`JademusSreg`	`Does it drop whitespace?`
`21:50.10`	`Deaod`	`it takes a few variables, reads them and decides where each unit is moving`
`21:50.23`	`Deaod`	`then comes the part where you actually move the unit.`
`21:50.26`	`Saeris`	`at this point as far as WASD as concerned, i'd rather not waste time on it, when it's possible that it will be fixed by blizzard in the future. it's time that could be better spent developing other things`
`21:50.31`	`JademusSreg`	`If the interpreter doesn't drop whitespace, I could improve it be making the if statements one liners.`
`21:50.42`	`JademusSreg`	`Meh, I'll do it anyway.`
`21:51.04`	`JManV\|Work`	`that wouldn't help performance any`
`21:51.16`	`JademusSreg`	`Yeah, I just like how it looks.`
`21:51.18`	`Saeris`	`just reduce the code size i think`
`21:51.38`	`Deaod`	`because orders need to be synced, it waits for the next world update before moving the unit.`
`21:51.54`	`Dekar`	`1 letter variables were faster in wc3 :p`
`21:52.27`	`JManV\|Work`	`that's an interesting thought, deaod, but is it worth the compromise?`
`21:52.36`	`JademusSreg`	`But by such a small margin that the hit that is taken to readability is a higher priority.`
`21:52.39`	`JManV\|Work`	`i'm not saying it is or isn't`
`21:52.43`	`Deaod`	`what compromise?`
`21:53.04`	`JManV\|Work`	`moving the unit MORE often because you need it to be smooth`
`21:53.15`	`JManV\|Work`	`and you said ALMOST smooth`
`21:53.24`	`JManV\|Work`	`there's still some jerks?`
`21:53.49`	`Deaod`	`a good eye could probably catch individual movements.`
`21:53.59`	`Deaod`	`but its as smooth as can be done`
`21:54.14`	`Deaod`	`and i suspect the movement of SC2 units isnt any smoother`
`21:54.21`	`JManV\|Work`	`yeah, i was gonna say`
`21:54.27`	`JManV\|Work`	`you could probably say the same for my moment`
`21:54.36`	`JManV\|Work`	`but it feels smooth, which is what's important`
`21:55.08`	`Deaod`	`it would probably warrant testing.`
`21:55.10`	`JManV\|Work`	`if you have to actually look hard to find the flaws`
`21:55.20`	`Saeris`	`well, i think it's time to play some HoN, afk`
`21:56.17`	`Deaod`	`and as you might have guessed, orders also generate network traffic`
`21:56.32`	`Deaod`	`moving the unit with natives doesnt.`
`21:57.41`	`JManV\|Work`	`alright. i'm going home`
`21:57.47`	`JManV\|Work`	`peace out`
`21:57.52`	`JManV\|Work`	`bbiaf`
`22:00.27`	`*** join/#sc2mapster MrOp (MrOp@76.76.73.7)`
`22:00.40`	`MrOp`	`hi`
`22:01.07`	`JademusSreg`	`Hi.`
`22:01.12`	`MrOp`	`:)`
`22:02.31`	`JademusSreg`	`What's up?`
`22:02.48`	`MrOp`	`nothing much how you are and your princesses doing`
`22:02.59`	`JademusSreg`	`Shawn reminded me there is an event for a unit entering range of a unit.`
`22:03.20`	`JademusSreg`	`Also, it is a bit weird to ask me about my personal life.`
`22:03.31`	`MrOp`	`uh ok`
`22:03.39`	`MrOp`	`if you say so`
`22:04.10`	`MrOp`	`yea i am aware of that fuction :)`
`22:04.46`	`MrOp`	`i think i fiddled around with it`
`22:05.01`	`JademusSreg`	`Maybe not for some people, not as though I'm saying there ought to be a moral imperative which prohibits asking people about their lives online, but rather I have no desire to reveal myself or to discuss the private details of my life.`
`22:05.30`	`MrOp`	`thats fine`
`22:05.50`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Rodrigo (8e239fb1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.142.35.159.177)`
`22:06.15`	`Rodrigo`	`http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/2179759335`
`22:06.47`	`JademusSreg`	`Yup.`
`22:07.15`	`Skittles`	`The compiled script memory has been split into a separate block from the global/local stack block. Additional improvements will be made to provide more memory space in the future.`
`22:07.24`	`JademusSreg`	`Yup.`
`22:07.27`	`Skittles`	`does that mean we see locals and global variables on seperate tabs now?`
`22:07.35`	`JademusSreg`	`1.3 promises to be great patch.`
`22:07.38`	`JademusSreg`	`Naw.`
`22:07.48`	`Dekar`	`lol`
`22:07.50`	`JademusSreg`	`That means the VM limit has been raised, so to speak.`
`22:08.20`	`Dekar`	`better explain what a VM is`
`22:08.26`	`Deaod`	`Virtual Machine`
`22:08.28`	`JademusSreg`	`Virtual Machine.`
`22:08.39`	`JademusSreg`	`Like Virtua Fighter, only with a Transformer.`
`22:08.42`	`Deaod`	`basically the system that executes your galaxy code`
`22:10.11`	`Dekar`	`we can stuff more code in it then`
`22:10.12`	`Skittles`	`okay thanks`
`22:10.18`	`Skittles`	`mhmm`
`22:10.22`	`Skittles`	`does that help gui at all?`
`22:10.22`	`Dekar`	`without it exploding`
`22:10.26`	`JademusSreg`	`grim, I forget, is there an important difference between execute and evaluate?`
`22:10.31`	`JademusSreg`	`Yes.`
`22:10.36`	`Deaod`	`yes, more GUI madness.`
`22:10.36`	`Dekar`	`you can chain more gui together`
`22:10.44`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha.`
`22:11.14`	`Dekar`	`evaluates pauses the calling thing and waits for return?`
`22:11.17`	`Dekar`	`maybe`
`22:11.18`	`Dekar`	`D:`
`22:11.37`	`JademusSreg`	`Goodness, that would be horribad for my purposes.`
`22:12.00`	`Deaod`	`also, if execute and evaluate work the same way in SC2 as they did in WC3, then execute starts a new thread and doesnt wait for a return value, while evaluate starts a new thread and waits for a return value, which means that Waits dont work`
`22:12.30`	`JademusSreg`	`native bool TriggerEvaluate (trigger t);`
`22:12.31`	`JademusSreg`	`native void TriggerExecute (trigger t, bool testConds, bool waitUntilDone);`
`22:12.50`	`Dekar`	`ooh`
`22:12.51`	`JademusSreg`	`Probably right about the former, and both ways on the latter.`
`22:12.57`	`Dekar`	`now i now`
`22:13.00`	`Dekar`	`i think`
`22:13.16`	`Dekar`	`evaluate just checks if the trigger would return true without doing anything?`
`22:13.38`	`Dekar`	`or if the conditions are met`
`22:13.46`	`Deaod`	`naaah, blizzard isnt smart enough to do that.`
`22:13.50`	`Dekar`	`quick, some ask a gui guy!`
`22:13.54`	`JademusSreg`	`Naw, it probably runs the whole thing.`
`22:15.01`	`Skittles`	`mmhmm`
`22:15.07`	`JademusSreg`	`Seems like the only difference is return value, for practical purposes, such that if you don't need a return value, there's no reason not to use execute in general.`
`22:15.08`	`Skittles`	`thanks`
`22:15.30`	`JademusSreg`	`Thanks?`
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`22:17.43`	`*** mode/#sc2mapster [+o Sixen] by ChanServ`
`22:18.25`	`JademusSreg`	`Hi.`
`22:18.49`	`MrOp`	`skittle did you guys run into any problems last night`
`22:19.00`	`MrOp`	`so was everyting running well`
`22:20.16`	`Bounty`	`hey Jademussreg`
`22:20.20`	`JademusSreg`	`Yeah?`
`22:20.24`	`Bounty`	`test my new wasd/mouse click real fast?`
`22:20.27`	`Bounty`	`will only take 5 seconds`
`22:20.34`	`JademusSreg`	`Sure. Let me close the editor.`
`22:20.48`	`MrOp`	`bounty if you need more tester i will help`
`22:20.53`	`MrOp`	`s*`
`22:20.57`	`Bounty`	`i only have player 1 and 2 active atm`
`22:20.58`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`22:21.05`	`Bounty`	`just to see if its better before i actually put it into the real map`
`22:21.07`	`MrOp`	`k`
`22:21.46`	`MrOp`	`i am also looking for that kind of movement system`
`22:22.05`	`MrOp`	`if i could use your system once you get all the bugs worked out`
`22:23.13`	`JademusSreg`	`I'm there, Bounty.`
`22:23.17`	`Bounty`	`kk`
`22:23.18`	`Bounty`	`uploading now`
`22:24.41`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Maged (~chatzilla@74-207-56-117.nat.luther.edu)`
`22:24.55`	`*** join/#sc2mapster JManV (450e9a13@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.14.154.19)`
`22:24.55`	`Skittles`	`what's the difference between scale absolute and set scale? one's actor and one's the model?`
`22:25.42`	`grim001_`	`back`
`22:25.43`	`JManV`	`miss me?`
`22:25.52`	`MrOp`	`i know i did`
`22:26.05`	`MrOp`	`i been thinking about you every min until know`
`22:26.14`	`MrOp`	`my life is complete now that you are here`
`22:26.21`	`MrOp`	`i can breathe again`
`22:26.23`	`JManV`	`i get that a lot`
`22:26.24`	`MrOp`	`lol`
`22:26.28`	`MrOp`	`i bet you do`
`22:26.42`	`grim001_`	`I documented the difference between TriggerExecute and TriggerEvaluate`
`22:26.44`	`JManV`	`most of it's in my imagination, but that counts, right?`
`22:26.49`	`grim001_`	`it's not quite the same as WC3`
`22:26.52`	`Skittles`	`wb`
`22:26.54`	`MrOp`	`sometime`
`22:26.56`	`MrOp`	`s`
`22:27.25`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Vexal (81740a3b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.129.116.10.59)`
`22:27.40`	`JManV`	`map night in 2 1/2 hours`
`22:27.55`	`JManV`	`NA map night that is`
`22:28.25`	`Vexal`	`.`
`22:28.45`	`JManV`	`^`
`22:28.50`	`grim001_`	`Evaluate: Starts new thread, resets op-limit, can return a boolean value, does not wait for the new thread to finish, defaults to returning true if the new thread has a wait in it.`
`22:28.51`	`grim001_`	`Execute: Starts new thread, resets op-limit, cannot return anything, allows you to choose whether you want to wait for the new thread to finish.`
`22:28.57`	`JManV`	`i couldn't agree more`
`22:30.01`	`Deaod`	`defaulting to true sounds nasty`
`22:30.10`	`grim001_`	`yes`
`22:30.16`	`MrOp`	`jman did you ever figure out the password for our vent`
`22:30.24`	`MrOp`	`or are we going to get a new one`
`22:30.28`	`grim001_`	`luckily I will probably never use triggerevaluate`
`22:30.42`	`JManV`	`i found another ventrilo server`
`22:30.52`	`JManV`	`it's intended for SC2, and it's practically vacant`
`22:31.30`	`MrOp`	`well ttyl`
`22:31.32`	`Deaod`	`http://www.teamspeak.com/ -- ill just leave that here`
`22:31.43`	`MrOp`	`i hope i will be back for map night`
`22:31.50`	`MrOp`	`l8rs`
`22:32.43`	`Bounty`	`Did clickign feel more responsive jade?`
`22:32.48`	`Bounty`	`i know u said the wasd did`
`22:33.02`	`Skittles`	`hmm`
`22:33.15`	`Skittles`	`dashing is quite fun.`
`22:33.17`	`Skittles`	`lol`
`22:34.26`	`JademusSreg`	`Clicking felt responsive at first, but then not so much while I was moving, probably due to the net traffic, if I had to guess.`
`22:34.40`	`JademusSreg`	`Or I got used to it.`
`22:34.47`	`JademusSreg`	`And tried to click faster than I should have. =)`
`22:34.51`	`Bounty`	`yeah`
`22:34.57`	`Bounty`	`that was the built in delay`
`22:35.02`	`Bounty`	`the .3 seconds i told u about`
`22:35.36`	`JademusSreg`	`Yeah, I think it just needs play testing to determine balance. It didn't feel all that bad to me.`
`22:35.52`	`JademusSreg`	`I just couldn't pull off combos as quuickly.`
`22:36.09`	`Bounty`	`well`
`22:36.16`	`Bounty`	`auto combo should help lol`
`22:37.09`	`Bounty`	`hmmm`
`22:37.13`	`Bounty`	`i just had a eureka moment`
`22:37.21`	`Bounty`	`i can completely eliminate the Key Up triggers lol`
`22:37.25`	`Bounty`	`=P`
`22:37.32`	`Bounty`	`that should eliminate a sh*t load of traffic`
`22:37.35`	`JademusSreg`	`Orly?`
`22:37.38`	`Bounty`	`yep`
`22:37.41`	`Bounty`	`how do u think the mouse works?`
`22:37.42`	`Bounty`	`=P`
`22:37.48`	`Bounty`	`there is only a mouse click down trigger`
`22:37.54`	`JademusSreg`	`Oh, haha, you had key up for mouse?`
`22:37.55`	`Skittles`	`no`
`22:37.55`	`Bounty`	`bc i figured, people would just hold the mouse in`
`22:38.00`	`Skittles`	`u can do up or down`
`22:38.04`	`Bounty`	`no`
`22:38.06`	`Skittles`	`yes`
`22:38.07`	`Bounty`	`i mean`
`22:38.13`	`Bounty`	`U have 2 triggers`
`22:38.14`	`Bounty`	`one for Up`
`22:38.16`	`Bounty`	`one dow Down`
`22:38.19`	`Bounty`	`for down*`
`22:38.23`	`Bounty`	`i eliminated up`
`22:38.26`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`22:38.30`	`JademusSreg`	`Awesome.`
`22:38.31`	`Skittles`	`mhmm`
`22:38.38`	`Bounty`	`so thats...`
`22:38.44`	`Bounty`	`5 triggers that were key presses`
`22:38.45`	`Bounty`	`gone`
`22:39.13`	`JademusSreg`	`Why not use one mouse trigger?`
`22:39.26`	`Bounty`	`what do u mean`
`22:40.21`	`JademusSreg`	`You should only need one.`
`22:40.29`	`Bounty`	`no what im saying is`
`22:40.31`	`Bounty`	`the ENTIRE event`
`22:40.33`	`Bounty`	`for KEY UP`
`22:40.35`	`Bounty`	`i have eliminated`
`22:40.40`	`Bounty`	`that means whenever u let go of a key`
`22:40.43`	`Bounty`	`it wont generate traffic`
`22:40.46`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`22:40.54`	`Bounty`	`see what im saying? =P`
`22:41.15`	`JademusSreg`	`I know. I'm asking if you're using one trigger for all players.`
`22:41.21`	`Bounty`	`oh`
`22:41.25`	`Bounty`	`for key presses? no`
`22:41.27`	`Skittles`	`sixen`
`22:41.33`	`JademusSreg`	`For mouse.`
`22:41.40`	`Skittles`	`how are you the most valuable player on sc2 forums? Xd`
`22:42.18`	`JademusSreg`	`One trigger event for all players, any / none button should work.`
`22:42.51`	`Bounty`	`yeah but doesnt that make it slow`
`22:42.57`	`Bounty`	`if everyone is firing the same trigger`
`22:43.02`	`Sixen`	`Skittles, I think it has something to do with my 2000+ posts`
`22:43.03`	`Sixen`	`:P`
`22:43.09`	`Skittles`	`oh lol`
`22:43.12`	`Skittles`	`WAIT`
`22:43.16`	`Skittles`	`How the hell did u manage that?`
`22:43.16`	`Skittles`	`lol`
`22:43.20`	`Skittles`	`I have like ... 2?`
`22:43.24`	`Skittles`	`4 actually I think`
`22:43.26`	`JademusSreg`	`Doesn't work like that, Bounty.`
`22:43.27`	`Sixen`	`I've been posting on the Battle.net forums for years now`
`22:43.33`	`Skittles`	`oh right`
`22:43.34`	`Sixen`	`So naturally, i'd post on the sc2 ones when they went up :p`
`22:43.35`	`Skittles`	`hmm`
`22:43.41`	`Skittles`	`so are u like`
`22:43.45`	`Skittles`	`auto invite into beta's?`
`22:44.11`	`Skittles`	`http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150112226581641&set=a.213243671640.137416.157102206640&theater orgasmic`
`22:44.13`	`JademusSreg`	`One trigger can handle all players. More input detection triggers generates more network traffic.`
`22:44.48`	`Sixen`	`yes :P`
`22:44.52`	`Bounty`	`yeah but`
`22:44.56`	`Bounty`	`it takes longer to execute it that way`
`22:45.00`	`Bounty`	`bc then i gotta add if thens`
`22:45.15`	`Skittles`	`damnit sixen`
`22:45.26`	`Skittles`	`now i've gotta spam so I can get auto invited too! =(`
`22:45.32`	`Sixen`	`I don't spam lulz`
`22:45.38`	`LordAbyss`	`he spams`
`22:45.45`	`JademusSreg`	`Evaluating an expression sounds like a small price for improve net traffic, less lag.`
`22:46.01`	`Skittles`	`neat i've got 14 posts`
`22:46.05`	`Skittles`	`I can totally do this.`
`22:46.18`	`Skittles`	`I've only got 5 years to do the other 1986`
`22:46.22`	`Bounty`	`i suppose so Jade`
`22:46.22`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`22:46.32`	`LordAbyss`	`Just keep posing about how defilers, dark archons, and firebats are op in 1v1s`
`22:46.32`	`JademusSreg`	`Besides, you probably don'ty even need ifs.`
`22:46.34`	`Vexal`	`i'm fairly certain the cost of evaluating a trigger is negligible.`
`22:46.48`	`JademusSreg`	`You just retreive the relevant stuff from an array.`
`22:47.02`	`Sixen`	`And reavers and lurkers.`
`22:47.27`	`Skittles`	`eh, anybody get that?`
`22:47.33`	`Skittles`	`5 years, diablo 3 will be out. lol`
`22:47.40`	`Skittles`	`for beta anyway`
`22:47.46`	`Deaod`	`wouldnt be too sure about that :)`
`22:48.07`	`Bounty`	`Some of the ifs are key pressed Jade`
`22:48.17`	`Bounty`	`key presses*`
`22:48.21`	`Bounty`	`i need to know what key is pressed`
`22:48.45`	`JademusSreg`	`Well, of course.`
`22:48.46`	`Skittles`	`2nd orgasmic photo. http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=440759211640&set=a.213243671640.137416.157102206640&theater`
`22:48.57`	`Skittles`	`also had it as my bg. =D`
`22:49.01`	`JademusSreg`	`I was refering to the means by which you would retrieve the player's unit.`
`22:49.14`	`Vexal`	`is it possible to open the data for two maps at once?`
`22:49.20`	`JademusSreg`	`Yep.`
`22:49.20`	`Bounty`	`oh`
`22:49.29`	`Vexal`	`without stupid gay mpq?`
`22:49.46`	`JademusSreg`	`You can open multiple maps in the editor.`
`22:49.59`	`Vexal`	`but i can't look at both at the same time`
`22:50.05`	`Vexal`	`i have to keep switching the entire thing.`
`22:50.09`	`JademusSreg`	`Also, "stupid gay"? Hah.`
`22:50.21`	`Vexal`	`i couldn't think of anything more intelligent.`
`22:50.27`	`JademusSreg`	`Launch two editors! =D`
`22:50.45`	`Vexal`	`you can do that?`
`22:50.49`	`Vexal`	`can you copy and paste between them?`
`22:50.57`	`JademusSreg`	`I have no idea.`
`22:52.22`	`JademusSreg`	`I thought it would be an amusing suggestion.`
`22:52.22`	`Vexal`	`how'd you come to that conclusion.`
`22:52.22`	`JademusSreg`	`Magic.`
`22:52.22`	`Deaod`	`Rum.`
`22:52.22`	`JademusSreg`	`I divined it from the bowels of a malnourished yak.`
`22:52.22`	`Vexal`	`that sounds like a lot of work.`
`22:52.34`	`Vexal`	`almost unecessary.`
`22:53.13`	`Skittles`	`1 editor would need a different key or a crack I think`
`22:53.44`	`Vexal`	`on the same computer?`
`22:53.48`	`JademusSreg`	`Antigastroyakomancers are just shills for Big Astrology.`
`22:54.00`	`Skittles`	`yeah`
`22:55.28`	`Vexal`	`do players prefer hotkeys qwert for all spells, or hotkeys that relate to the name of the spell`
`22:56.56`	`JManV`	`i like zxcvb`
`22:56.56`	`JManV`	`tho the difference is small`
`22:56.56`	`JManV`	`either is fine really`
`22:57.11`	`JManV`	`i think just more maps that i've played use zxcvb, so that's what i'm use to`
`22:57.29`	`Vexal`	`i hate any hotkeys that require the right side of the kyboard.`
`22:57.33`	`Vexal`	`keyboard*`
`22:57.51`	`Bounty`	`so`
`22:57.57`	`Bounty`	`im about to make the keypress trigger for my new wasd`
`22:58.01`	`Bounty`	`If then ifs`
`22:58.03`	`Bounty`	`or a switch?`
`22:58.04`	`Bounty`	`=P`
`22:58.26`	`JademusSreg`	`Depends.`
`22:58.39`	`Bounty`	`on?`
`22:58.47`	`JademusSreg`	`On which one you find easier to use.`
`22:59.00`	`JademusSreg`	`They are functionally equivalent.`
`22:59.23`	`Bounty`	`ok`
`22:59.26`	`Bounty`	`but i do have one question`
`22:59.30`	`Bounty`	`u know when u make a new if then if`
`22:59.35`	`Vexal`	`yes.`
`22:59.42`	`Bounty`	`and u get that General - If (conditions then do multiple (Actions)`
`22:59.48`	`Bounty`	`do u need that? bc i know u can remove it`
`22:59.55`	`Bounty`	`and then just put the if thens by themselves`
`23:00.07`	`JademusSreg`	`I don't use GUI, I have no idea.`
`23:01.19`	`*** join/#sc2mapster nicoli_s (~test@69.73.16.202)`
`23:01.54`	`JManV`	`heh. this could be a fun map overall`
`23:02.05`	`JManV`	`kinda like minecraft`
`23:02.10`	`JademusSreg`	`=D`
`23:02.26`	`JManV`	`its just a dude that runs around building things`
`23:02.37`	`Vexal`	`why not use GUI?`
`23:02.44`	`Vexal`	`it's so tedious to memorize the names of the api calls`
`23:02.55`	`JademusSreg`	`Wakkawakkawakka`
`23:03.02`	`Vexal`	`now that GUI has local variables, function definitions, etc`
`23:03.06`	`Vexal`	`and structs`
`23:03.07`	`JManV`	`isn't there somehting you can get that can do autocomplete?`
`23:03.09`	`Vexal`	`what's the point of using script`
`23:03.13`	`JademusSreg`	`Wakkawakka`
`23:03.45`	`Bounty`	`almost ready Jademus?`
`23:03.50`	`Bounty`	`im almost done putting the new system in`
`23:03.51`	`Bounty`	`=P`
`23:03.52`	`JademusSreg`	`To test?`
`23:03.57`	`Bounty`	`mmhmm`
`23:03.59`	`Bounty`	`instant combos etc`
`23:04.02`	`JademusSreg`	`Sure. Let me finish this function call.`
`23:06.16`	`JManV`	`i made my scv too fast :P`
`23:06.36`	`JademusSreg`	`Ready. Logging on,`
`23:06.38`	`Icebane`	`Guys I'm off for tonight`
`23:06.43`	`Icebane`	`nn!`
`23:08.21`	`JademusSreg`	`Ready Bounty?`
`23:08.36`	`Bounty`	`one sec`
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`23:10.22`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I'm getting a second interview lol`
`23:10.33`	`Rodrigo`	`http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/2179759335`
`23:10.36`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Too bad it's a freakin walmart`
`23:10.44`	`Bounty`	`ok im uploading now JademusSreg`
`23:11.01`	`JManV`	`they're making you do two interviews at walmart?`
`23:11.12`	`Skittles`	`why did u post that rod?`
`23:11.14`	`Skittles`	`random much? Xd`
`23:11.37`	`Bounty`	`Vexal, you wanna see the new map? =P`
`23:11.47`	`Vexal`	`i'm busy working on mine, then going to eat at 5:45.`
`23:11.54`	`Vexal`	`can i see it after?`
`23:11.55`	`Bounty`	`kk`
`23:11.57`	`Bounty`	`yeah`
`23:12.00`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`THe first interview is a bunch of retarded questions`
`23:12.03`	`Bounty`	`i updated the controls today`
`23:12.05`	`Bounty`	`less delay =P`
`23:12.14`	`Skittles`	`yeah i had a home depot interview yesterday`
`23:12.25`	`Skittles`	`retarded questions were asked by phone tho`
`23:12.27`	`Vexal`	`if you pace the combat correctly, the delay shouldn't be too much of a big deal.`
`23:12.39`	`Vexal`	`you just need to make sure you inform the player of what their actions do`
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`23:12.45`	`Vexal`	`show damage, etc`
`23:13.00`	`Skittles`	`I only got told what to do if I had the job, and checked to make sure all my info on my application was correct.`
`23:13.16`	`Skittles`	`well anyway, recording. Afk`
`23:13.19`	`Skittles`	`or brb i mean`
`23:14.53`	`Vexal`	`how do i make a sound play when an ability is cast`
`23:14.59`	`Vexal`	`i tried editing the hero's "ability sounds"`
`23:15.12`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`add it in the actor events?`
`23:15.24`	`Vexal`	`don't want to make a new actor for the sound.`
`23:15.28`	`Vexal`	`waste of my valuable time.`
`23:15.35`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`The actor of the hero >.>`
`23:15.45`	`Vexal`	`i tried editing the actor`
`23:16.19`	`Vexal`	`and i tried giving the projectile used for the ability a sound that plays at its birth`
`23:16.24`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`You added it in the hero actor's events?`
`23:16.58`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I don't beleeeve you`
`23:17.31`	`Vexal`	`there's no action "play sound"`
`23:17.40`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`its Play Unit Sound`
`23:17.49`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`And you have to add the sound ot an unused index in the actor's sounds`
`23:17.54`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`that's the way i know how it works`
`23:18.19`	`Rodrigo`	`can someone bum this thread for me using a positive comment? http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/2179759335`
`23:18.19`	`Vexal`	`ability sound isn't listed there`
`23:18.26`	`Rodrigo`	`(No Bounty please)`
`23:18.38`	`Rodrigo`	`bump*`
`23:18.49`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Umm.. I could do it with a not positive comment`
`23:18.55`	`Rodrigo`	`:(`
`23:18.58`	`Rodrigo`	`that would be bad`
`23:19.02`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Or a joke about old ladies`
`23:19.05`	`Rodrigo`	`cause the first comments influence the rest`
`23:19.12`	`Rodrigo`	`that would be good :)`
`23:20.09`	`grim001_`	`cool, the StringToTextAdvanced function has one misnamed parameter and one broken parameter`
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`23:20.46`	`grim001_`	`the last 2 parameters are minDigits and maxDigits... in reality, minDigits functions as maxDigits, and maxDigits has absolutely no effect`
`23:20.47`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`then tell jade to do it in galaxy`
`23:20.51`	`Vexal`	`okay`
`23:20.53`	`Vexal`	`the sound sometimes plays`
`23:20.55`	`Vexal`	`but not always.`
`23:20.56`	`Vexal`	`why is that?`
`23:20.57`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha.`
`23:21.12`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I can only assume its being drowned out by the others?`
`23:21.20`	`Vexal`	`it doesn't play if the sound hasn't finished playing`
`23:21.26`	`Vexal`	`how do i make it so it just starts the new sound`
`23:21.29`	`Vexal`	`and cuts out the previous.`
`23:21.47`	`JademusSreg`	`brb`
`23:22.38`	`Rodrigo`	`thanks shawn for the comment`
`23:22.39`	`Rodrigo`	`:)`
`23:22.42`	`Rodrigo`	`I gotta go now`
`23:22.44`	`Rodrigo`	`see ya guyz later`
`23:23.07`	`Rodrigo`	`ps.: I'm not talking to Bounty. He said he gave up map making, I dont know why he came back`
`23:23.18`	`Rodrigo`	`igonres Bounty`
`23:23.21`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`i hate you rodrigo`
`23:23.23`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`have fun`
`23:23.25`	`Rodrigo`	`lol`
`23:23.27`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`>.>`
`23:23.29`	`Rodrigo`	`I'm going to the cinema now`
`23:23.35`	`Rodrigo`	`to watch adjustment bureau`
`23:23.36`	`Bounty`	`i said i quit until blizz does something about the popularity system`
`23:23.42`	`Bounty`	`<--- back bc of 1.3`
`23:23.50`	`Rodrigo`	`hopefully 1.3 wont suck`
`23:23.55`	`Dekar`	`oh look its rodrigo`
`23:23.58`	`Rodrigo`	`because even blizz doesnt not if that fun or not thing will work`
`23:24.05`	`Rodrigo`	`doesnt know*`
`23:24.06`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`im sure you'll bitch about something roddy`
`23:24.18`	`Rodrigo`	`I know I will ;)`
`23:24.21`	`Rodrigo`	`see ya`
`23:24.46`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`cant wait til he's permabanned from the bnet forums`
`23:25.23`	`JManV`	`heh`
`23:25.27`	`JManV`	`just a matter of time`
`23:25.36`	`Bounty`	`I'm perma banned`
`23:25.37`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`23:25.37`	`Bounty`	`:(`
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`23:25.49`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Yes, that was our first achievement`
`23:25.49`	`Bounty`	`still dont understand why but w/e`
`23:25.56`	`JManV`	`how does one get perm banned?`
`23:26.04`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Get suspended 3 times`
`23:26.05`	`JManV`	`i post a reasonable amount of time`
`23:26.13`	`Bounty`	`i posted on one of blizzards news posts`
`23:26.15`	`JManV`	`and i haven't had a single infraction`
`23:26.17`	`Bounty`	`saying`
`23:26.36`	`Bounty`	`"Is this what you guys spend your time doing rather then paying attention to the custom maps forums?"`
`23:26.40`	`Bounty`	`banned`
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`23:26.42`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`23:26.44`	`grim001_`	`well, it's worse than that`
`23:27.04`	`Bounty`	`its bullshit imo`
`23:27.08`	`grim001_`	`instead of "minDigits" and "maxDigits" working separately, it looks like internally someone fucked it up and used the same local for both functions`
`23:27.14`	`Bounty`	`everytime i got suspended it was bc i used "!@#!$"`
`23:27.21`	`Bounty`	`i dont see the problem with censoring yourself`
`23:27.39`	`Bounty`	`its not like i posted on the Hello Kitty Adventure forums`
`23:28.01`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`right, but roddy has the same problem. censoring yourself isnt enough`
`23:28.15`	`grim001_`	`therefore, the "minDigits" function just sets the number of digits that will be displayed, working identically to the precision parameter for FixedToText`
`23:28.21`	`Bounty`	`they shouldnt ban suspend or ban for that imo`
`23:28.28`	`Bounty`	`if they're gonna ban or suspend Rodrigo`
`23:28.30`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Right, but it's not your forum`
`23:28.31`	`Bounty`	`it should be for spam`
`23:28.38`	`grim001_`	`so there goes one of the primary purposes of even having a StringToTextAdvanced function`
`23:28.41`	`Bounty`	`really? because i didnt fucking know that? lol`
`23:28.43`	`Bounty`	`cmon man`
`23:28.46`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`When you own the blizz forum, give me a job`
`23:28.47`	`Bounty`	`im just saying`
`23:30.02`	`Bounty`	`Thats like saying someone isnt the President or a Member of Congress if they are talking about politics lol`
`23:30.14`	`Bounty`	`=P`
`23:30.30`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Right, but our politics involves everyone. It is We The People, right?`
`23:30.59`	`JManV`	`anyways, the message is still clear, whether you censor yourself or they do it for you`
`23:31.05`	`Bounty`	`yeah`
`23:31.20`	`Bounty`	`im just saying i dont think thats fair, and that Rodrigo should be banned/suspended for spamming`
`23:31.21`	`JManV`	`plus the message itself is pretty inflamatory`
`23:31.28`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`sry. i'm tired and excited for not failing the interview`
`23:31.33`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`23:40.13`	`Bibendus\|AFK`	`is now away - Reason : Auto-Away after 30 minutes`
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`23:41.54`	`grim001_`	`OK, after more investigation, the behavior of StringToFixedAdvanced is just bizarre`
`23:42.02`	`grim001_`	`FixedToStringAdvanced that is`
`23:43.33`	`grim001_`	`the last two parameters are supposedly the min and max number of digits past the decimal point to display, but it doesn't behave that way at all`
`23:44.11`	`grim001_`	`minDigits seems to behave precisely the same way that precision parameter does for FixedToString/Text`
`23:44.27`	`grim001_`	`and the maxDigits has no effect except under one circumstance`
`23:44.52`	`grim001_`	`if you use a whole-number value, it will determine the number of trailing zeroes`
`23:45.21`	`grim001_`	`but if you don't use a whole number for the value, it will not increase the number of zeroes beyond the precision level`
`23:45.37`	`Dekar`	`does a gui function access it and if so what does its grammar say?`
`23:46.55`	`grim001_`	`let me revise what I just said`
`23:47.39`	`grim001_`	`minDigits always determines the amount of digits displayed, however, if you use a whole number, it automatically truncates any 0s that would be displayed by having a precision value >0 for a whole number`
`23:48.13`	`grim001_`	`in that situation, maxDigits controls the number of 0s actually displayed, up to minDigits but not higher than that`
`23:48.43`	`grim001_`	`so the parameter names just make no sense`
`23:49.47`	`JManV`	`so i have a model that's been scaled considerably`
`23:50.03`	`JManV`	`and i've modified the selection radius appropriately`
`23:50.12`	`JManV`	`and it's visibly the right size`
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`23:50.21`	`JManV`	`but the unit can be actually selected from way out`
`23:50.23`	`tiord`	`he what's up JManV`
`23:50.53`	`JVanMe`	`sup tiord`
`23:51.09`	`tiord`	`did the patch come out yet`
`23:51.16`	`JVanMe`	`nopers`
`23:51.17`	`tiord`	`good still got time`
`23:51.22`	`onetwo_winning`	`all you ever care about is the patch`
`23:51.23`	`onetwo_winning`	`you sob!`
`23:51.33`	`tiord`	`like you dont!`
`23:51.34`	`onetwo_winning`	`jk`
`23:51.38`	`tiord`	`>:]`
`23:51.43`	`JVanMe`	`what are you winning, onetwo?`
`23:51.52`	`tiord`	`just about the best patch for custom maps`
`23:51.57`	`tiord`	`we should all be anticipating it!`
`23:52.00`	`tiord`	`but me`
`23:52.04`	`tiord`	`i need it to wait!`
`23:52.08`	`tiord`	`there's stilll so much to do`
`23:52.26`	`JVanMe`	`there'll be more patches before my map comes out`
`23:52.38`	`tiord`	`:[`
`23:52.43`	`tiord`	`lookin forward to that jm`
`23:52.53`	`JVanMe`	`i'm just sayin`
`23:52.58`	`onetwo_winning`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTEuLeh5JOI jvanme`
`23:52.59`	`tiord`	`not to mention pokemon w/b leaked`
`23:53.07`	`JVanMe`	`i've got something cool right now tho`
`23:53.08`	`tiord`	`should only fuel the hype!`
`23:53.22`	`JVanMe`	`i'm making a map to design buildings in`
`23:53.30`	`JVanMe`	`and the map generates the code that i need to a text file`
`23:53.40`	`tiord`	`you're crazy`
`23:53.44`	`onetwo_winning`	`im winning`
`23:54.13`	`JVanMe`	`thinking of publishing it and letting people design buildings for my game`
`23:54.18`	`JVanMe`	`besides, its kinda fun`
`23:55.36`	`Vexal`	`i'm surprised there are no pokemon RPGs`
`23:55.47`	`JVanMe`	`that's what i'm building`
`23:56.15`	`tiord`	`dont you have to rename it`
`23:56.23`	`tiord`	`not use te name pokemon`
`23:56.24`	`JVanMe`	`http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/project-workplace/16942-pokemon-style-game-with-sc2-units-full-banking/`
`23:56.37`	`JVanMe`	`my working name is "pocket warriors"`
`23:56.44`	`tiord`	`good enough :]`
`23:56.50`	`tiord`	`pocket zergling!`
`23:56.57`	`tiord`	`pocket`
`23:57.00`	`Vexal`	`well`
`23:57.02`	`tiord`	`pocket starcraft`
`23:57.07`	`tiord`	`cant use sc`
`23:57.09`	`Vexal`	`the trademarked name has a special character for the 'e'`
`23:57.13`	`Vexal`	`so calling it pokemon should be okay.`
`23:57.28`	`JVanMe`	`someone recommended pokeymanz`
`23:57.41`	`JVanMe`	`dunno yet`
`23:57.44`	`tiord`	`whatever you do dont call it pocketcraft`
`23:57.53`	`JVanMe`	`anywyas, the maps come a long way since that video`
`23:57.58`	`JVanMe`	`i need to do another. soon.`
`23:59.58`	`Sixen`	`LOL`

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