IRC log for #sc2mapster on 20110220

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`00:05.25`	`Karawasa`	`ya?`
`00:08.01`	`Karawasa`	`abstruse?`
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`00:16.57`	`DonKalypso`	`Obtuse`
`00:17.20`	`JademusSreg`	`Back.`
`00:18.08`	`Vestras`	`kara`
`00:18.10`	`Vestras`	`how is eletd?`
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`00:25.01`	`Vestras`	`karawasa`
`00:25.12`	`Karawasa`	`hey`
`00:25.16`	`Karawasa`	`it's going great`
`00:25.21`	`Karawasa`	`we are very close to an alpha`
`00:25.33`	`Vestras`	`using gui? :(`
`00:25.41`	`Karawasa`	`yes, progammer is using gui`
`00:25.48`	`Karawasa`	`I was hesitant`
`00:25.48`	`Vestras`	`that's unfortunate`
`00:25.53`	`Karawasa`	`ya I was thinking that too`
`00:26.00`	`Vestras`	`well did you hear about grape?`
`00:26.05`	`Karawasa`	`but upon reading up on it, it seems the reasons we hated GUI for WC3 are gone`
`00:26.14`	`Vestras`	`still you gotta click`
`00:26.16`	`Vestras`	`no oop`
`00:26.16`	`Vestras`	`<.<`
`00:26.21`	`Karawasa`	`true`
`00:26.26`	`Vestras`	`but`
`00:26.29`	`Karawasa`	`but at least it isn't worse performance wise`
`00:26.30`	`Vestras`	`01:26 <Vestras> well did you hear about grape?`
`00:26.33`	`Karawasa`	`which was my main concern`
`00:26.37`	`Vestras`	`I see`
`00:26.38`	`Karawasa`	`no I didn't, what is grape`
`00:26.48`	`Karawasa`	`no I haven't*`
`00:26.48`	`Vestras`	`a programming language serius and I are making for sc2`
`00:26.59`	`Karawasa`	`ah cool :)`
`00:27.01`	`Vestras`	`you might be interested`
`00:27.04`	`Karawasa`	`it seems andromeda kind of died`
`00:27.08`	`Vestras`	`ye`
`00:27.12`	`Vestras`	`it was bloated as well`
`00:27.26`	`Vestras`	`http://www.thehelper.net/forums/showthread.php/160671-Grape-SC2-programming-language`
`00:27.39`	`Vestras`	`http://code.google.com/p/grape-sc2/source/browse/#hg%2Fgrape%2Fsystem`
`00:27.42`	`Vestras`	`c&c :)`
`00:30.01`	`Karawasa`	`hmm`
`00:30.03`	`Karawasa`	`interesting`
`00:30.11`	`Vestras`	`I made an ide too`
`00:30.15`	`Vestras`	`moonlite`
`00:30.18`	`Karawasa`	`ya`
`00:30.23`	`Karawasa`	`what I've discovered though is`
`00:30.25`	`Vestras`	`although the current version is kinda bad`
`00:30.38`	`Vestras`	`the version I am working on is insanely muchbetter`
`00:30.43`	`Karawasa`	`it's not as integral as before, coding I mean`
`00:30.49`	`Vestras`	`?`
`00:30.50`	`Karawasa`	`data editor is where it's at now`
`00:30.56`	`Vestras`	`ye I realized that`
`00:31.12`	`Vestras`	`so I implemented code completion and a documentation fetcher for the native sc2 data language`
`00:31.14`	`Karawasa`	`most of the towers in WC3 were triggered`
`00:31.19`	`Vestras`	`and made it more maintainable and stuff`
`00:31.25`	`Karawasa`	`opposite is true now :P`
`00:31.27`	`Karawasa`	`ah`
`00:31.44`	`Karawasa`	`isn't the data in xml?`
`00:31.47`	`Vestras`	`at some point I will probably make a scripting language for it`
`00:31.48`	`Vestras`	`ye`
`00:32.19`	`Karawasa`	`hmm`
`00:32.23`	`JademusSreg`	`Has andromeda actually died?`
`00:32.28`	`Karawasa`	`I don't think officially`
`00:32.41`	`JademusSreg`	`Or is it on hold since geX is working on his master thesis?`
`00:32.44`	`Karawasa`	`ya`
`00:32.47`	`Karawasa`	`it's on hold`
`00:32.52`	`Karawasa`	`which might as well mean dead :P`
`00:33.03`	`JademusSreg`	`That's silly.`
`00:33.05`	`Karawasa`	`thesis sounds like it will take time`
`00:33.11`	`Karawasa`	`and by then people will move on`
`00:33.13`	`JademusSreg`	`True.`
`00:33.18`	`Karawasa`	`like to grape :P`
`00:33.27`	`Vestras`	`<3`
`00:33.37`	`Vestras`	`are you interested?`
`00:33.44`	`Vestras`	`aconversion might be too big though`
`00:33.54`	`Karawasa`	`well yes but I don't know the practical use`
`00:34.03`	`Karawasa`	`I mean so far everything we need trigger wise is doable in GUI`
`00:34.05`	`Vestras`	`what do you mean?`
`00:34.14`	`Karawasa`	`because all the abilities and crazy stuff is done in data`
`00:34.17`	`Vestras`	`well it's not as maintainable as could be`
`00:34.30`	`Karawasa`	`true`
`00:34.37`	`Karawasa`	`I would prefer code`
`00:34.46`	`Vestras`	`having all towers as a single file will probably be more maintainable`
`00:34.58`	`Vestras`	`I mean`
`00:35.02`	`Vestras`	`separate files`
`00:35.03`	`Vestras`	`ofc`
`00:35.04`	`Vestras`	`:)`
`00:35.11`	`Karawasa`	`what do you mean though`
`00:35.15`	`Vestras`	`like`
`00:35.17`	`Karawasa`	`for data?`
`00:35.17`	`Vestras`	`you have`
`00:35.21`	`Vestras`	`?`
`00:35.37`	`Karawasa`	`at least 90% of the towers require no triggers`
`00:35.43`	`Karawasa`	`because data editor is so powerful`
`00:35.52`	`Vestras`	`fire_tower.iris, water_tower.iris, fire_tower_actor.iris, water_tower_actor.iris`
`00:35.53`	`Vestras`	`etc.`
`00:35.59`	`Vestras`	`then you just code them instead of clicking`
`00:36.22`	`Karawasa`	`ah yes I see where you're going`
`00:36.27`	`Karawasa`	`to maintain the data`
`00:36.29`	`Karawasa`	`xml`
`00:36.31`	`JademusSreg`	`Yup.`
`00:36.33`	`Vestras`	`and as it gets more and more used`
`00:36.33`	`Karawasa`	`instead of through editor`
`00:36.43`	`Vestras`	`more and more documentation will be available on sc2mapster`
`00:36.54`	`Karawasa`	`well how will conversion be`
`00:36.54`	`Vestras`	`and the idea is that it should download documentation from sc2mapster`
`00:37.05`	`Karawasa`	`I mean at this point most of the data is done`
`00:37.06`	`Vestras`	`?`
`00:37.10`	`Vestras`	`yeah`
`00:37.13`	`Vestras`	`that's a problem`
`00:37.23`	`Karawasa`	`can't convert?`
`00:37.42`	`Vestras`	`I should probably make a wizard to convert a map's data files into separate iris files`
`00:37.48`	`Vestras`	`for already complete data`
`00:37.53`	`Vestras`	`should be easily doable`
`00:38.00`	`Vestras`	`except it'll take a little while :P`
`00:38.17`	`Vestras`	`I COULD make it though`
`00:38.24`	`Vestras`	`but I couldn't make a trigger -> grape converter`
`00:38.57`	`Karawasa`	`ya`
`00:38.59`	`Karawasa`	`but that's ok`
`00:39.06`	`Karawasa`	`because the GUI isn't really the concern`
`00:39.09`	`Vestras`	`I guess`
`00:39.18`	`Vestras`	`I would still prefer code over data code`
`00:39.20`	`Karawasa`	`seems like data would be modified a lot more`
`00:39.21`	`Vestras`	`lol`
`00:39.27`	`Vestras`	`I think I will trigger all my shit instead of using data`
`00:39.31`	`Vestras`	`yeah`
`00:39.35`	`Karawasa`	`but that's bad for performance`
`00:39.36`	`Karawasa`	`data > trigger`
`00:39.41`	`Vestras`	`why?`
`00:39.46`	`Karawasa`	`slower`
`00:39.51`	`Vestras`	`-_____________-'`
`00:40.02`	`Karawasa`	`:P`
`00:40.04`	`Karawasa`	`I know bad answer`
`00:40.12`	`Karawasa`	`but galaxy function calls are terrible I hear`
`00:40.13`	`Vestras`	`well I guess it's the truth`
`00:40.15`	`Vestras`	`unfortunately`
`00:40.17`	`Vestras`	`D:`
`00:40.22`	`Karawasa`	`from what I've heard`
`00:40.28`	`Karawasa`	`galaxy isn't really a step up from JASS`
`00:40.41`	`Karawasa`	`guess they spent all their development time on data :P`
`00:40.42`	`Vestras`	`no`
`00:40.44`	`Vestras`	`rather a step down`
`00:40.48`	`Vestras`	`yeah`
`00:40.49`	`JademusSreg`	`Since data is more powerful in SC2 than in wc3, it makes sense to use the data as much as is practical, script the rest.`
`00:40.52`	`Vestras`	`well it's agood system I hear`
`00:40.57`	`Karawasa`	`yes`
`00:41.02`	`Karawasa`	`also`
`00:41.07`	`Karawasa`	`just like how a chain lightning in wc3`
`00:41.15`	`Karawasa`	`would be lighter in terms of performance`
`00:41.15`	`Vestras`	`but the iris implementation should be completely seamless is what I can extract from this convo`
`00:41.19`	`Karawasa`	`compared to a triggered one`
`00:41.37`	`Vestras`	`I guess`
`00:41.57`	`Karawasa`	`I can't really answer the question as I don't know the why very well`
`00:42.06`	`Vestras`	`okay`
`00:42.09`	`Vestras`	`well`
`00:42.15`	`Vestras`	`are you considering changing? :P`
`00:42.30`	`Karawasa`	`:P`
`00:42.45`	`Karawasa`	`well I haven't seen how the xml editing would play out`
`00:42.56`	`Karawasa`	`and also if there will be a converter :P`
`00:42.56`	`Vestras`	`okay`
`00:42.58`	`Vestras`	`well`
`00:42.59`	`JademusSreg`	`I think iris would be neat. So long as it reads from the xml, and can be commanded to write to the xml.`
`00:43.01`	`JademusSreg`	`Seamless.`
`00:43.07`	`Vestras`	`if you gimme your skype you can test it at some point`
`00:43.20`	`Vestras`	`what do you mean jade?`
`00:43.59`	`Karawasa`	`but in principle it sounds good`
`00:44.13`	`Vestras`	`^`
`00:44.14`	`Karawasa`	`to do a lot of changes in data`
`00:44.20`	`Karawasa`	`like changing damage values or w/e`
`00:44.24`	`Vestras`	`yeah`
`00:44.30`	`Vestras`	`a lot easier than digging in dialogs`
`00:44.33`	`Karawasa`	`might be cumbersome for things that require drop down box`
`00:44.35`	`Karawasa`	`or check box`
`00:44.37`	`Karawasa`	`like model`
`00:44.39`	`Karawasa`	`or attribute`
`00:44.41`	`Vestras`	`nope`
`00:44.44`	`Vestras`	`I have that solved`
`00:45.09`	`Karawasa`	`nice, what did you do?`
`00:45.23`	`Vestras`	`I use enumerations`
`00:45.25`	`Vestras`	`well basically`
`00:45.47`	`Vestras`	`the code completion is just code completion using a schema to get the currently valid attributes/elements`
`00:46.06`	`Vestras`	`so the schemas are generated by some python code I wrote based on the native data xml files`
`00:46.13`	`Vestras`	`so the checkbox thingies are just enumerations`
`00:46.20`	`Vestras`	`it just displays a list of the valid values`
`00:47.11`	`Vestras`	`butbut`
`00:47.17`	`Vestras`	`01:43 <Vestras> if you gimme your skype you can test it at some point`
`00:47.38`	`Karawasa`	`ah`
`00:47.40`	`Karawasa`	`yes`
`00:48.29`	`Karawasa`	`seems like that would work`
`00:48.32`	`Karawasa`	`wondering about models though`
`00:48.35`	`Karawasa`	`where the list is huge`
`00:48.40`	`Vestras`	`what do you mean?`
`00:48.55`	`Karawasa`	`requires you to know something about the model`
`00:49.06`	`Vestras`	`example please D:`
`00:49.06`	`Karawasa`	`in terms of path`
`00:49.09`	`Karawasa`	`um`
`00:49.24`	`Karawasa`	`for attribute you could just display all possible values`
`00:49.31`	`Karawasa`	`if the person had no clue what they were`
`00:49.34`	`Karawasa`	`since it's like 10 or 11`
`00:49.36`	`Karawasa`	`or w/e`
`00:49.54`	`Karawasa`	`but for models that won't work, so you've got to do autocompletion or something which requires knowledge from the person using it`
`00:50.08`	`Vestras`	`ugh`
`00:50.09`	`Karawasa`	`you start typing in a path to the model you want and then it helps you`
`00:50.13`	`Vestras`	`why wouldn't it work for models?`
`00:50.26`	`Karawasa`	`I guess you could pop up a list of all of them`
`00:50.29`	`Karawasa`	`just would be a big list :P`
`00:50.36`	`Vestras`	`well is there aspecil way to use models?`
`00:50.37`	`Karawasa`	`would have to be a separate window or something`
`00:50.39`	`Vestras`	`a special*`
`00:50.53`	`Karawasa`	`no it's not really a problem now that I think about it`
`00:51.11`	`Vestras`	`I am lost`
`00:51.11`	`Vestras`	`lol`
`00:51.13`	`Karawasa`	`but maybe I should try it first :p`
`00:51.17`	`Karawasa`	`then comment lol`
`00:51.20`	`Vestras`	`okay :P`
`00:51.57`	`Karawasa`	`ya that didn't make any sense what I was saying lol`
`00:52.10`	`Vestras`	`lol`
`00:52.14`	`Vestras`	`anyway`
`00:52.16`	`Vestras`	`going to bed`
`00:52.17`	`Vestras`	`bai!`
`00:52.21`	`Karawasa`	`ok`
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`01:46.30`	`Technomancer`	`anyone else doing the SCU beta tonight?`
`01:47.20`	`JademusSreg`	`I got excited for a moment; I thought you sais SGU.`
`01:47.41`	`Technomancer`	`I fucking hate SGU ruined the franchise`
`01:47.45`	`Technomancer`	`you know...`
`01:47.50`	`JademusSreg`	`Haha.`
`01:47.54`	`Technomancer`	`you can't spell DISGUST without S G U`
`01:48.47`	`JademusSreg`	`Funny, I feel the same way about the last ferw seasons of SG1, and the entirety of Atlantis.`
`01:48.57`	`JademusSreg`	`Only with less interest.`
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`02:36.35`	`Tobin`	`Whats SGU?`
`02:37.02`	`Tobin`	`(Lol just realized... 1 hour later)`
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`02:58.06`	`DonKalypso`	`Here's a question`
`02:58.30`	`DonKalypso`	`If Blizzard is taking effing forever for their DOTA map, hasn't someone else already made one for SCII?`
`02:58.53`	`DonKalypso`	`Since for some reason the players tend to make things a lot quicker than Blizz`
`03:00.00`	`Tobin`	`I guess Sotis has become accepted as the new dota? (Idk never got into those games)`
`03:00.07`	`DonKalypso`	`Sotis?`
`03:00.21`	`Tobin`	`Storm of the imperial sanctum`
`03:00.36`	`Tobin`	`isnt hat a dota clone?`
`03:00.39`	`Tobin`	`or am i retarded...`
`03:00.43`	`DonKalypso`	`idk`
`03:00.56`	`DonKalypso`	`I would like to learn how to use their trigger dialogue thingies`
`03:00.59`	`DonKalypso`	`They look cool`
`03:01.19`	`Tobin`	`Yeah their chess piece towers look sick too`
`03:02.16`	`Tobin`	`When they release dota its gona be big for map editors, probably gona have a lot of new units and stuff.`
`03:02.33`	`DonKalypso`	`Hmm`
`03:02.35`	`DonKalypso`	`I wonder`
`03:02.44`	`DonKalypso`	`OOH`
`03:02.50`	`DonKalypso`	`Has anyone tried to make Chess?`
`03:02.53`	`Tobin`	`Yes`
`03:02.57`	`DonKalypso`	`damn`
`03:03.00`	`Tobin`	`lol`
`03:03.19`	`Tobin`	`Are you trying to come up with idea for a map?`
`03:03.41`	`DonKalypso`	`Kinda`
`03:03.48`	`Tobin`	`Because i believe poker has not been done yet`
`03:03.57`	`Tobin`	`and could be quite popular`
`03:04.19`	`Tobin`	`and by poker i mean texas hold 'em because its much better then standard poker...`
`03:04.28`	`DonKalypso`	`No it isn't`
`03:04.55`	`Tobin`	`Yes it is, requires more skill and less luck`
`03:05.35`	`DonKalypso`	`Blufing is a skill`
`03:06.01`	`Tobin`	`Sure`
`03:06.07`	`Tobin`	`but its hard to do over the internet haha`
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`03:09.00`	`Tobin`	`Still its a good idea imo`
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`03:09.11`	`DonKalypso`	`it is, I guesss`
`03:09.16`	`DonKalypso`	`I'm just not the person to do it`
`03:09.18`	`DonKalypso`	`lol`
`03:09.25`	`Tobin`	`You could even summon units when cards are revealed to show who the winner is`
`03:09.40`	`Tobin`	`Ahh, yeah well im just throwing it out there.`
`03:09.50`	`DonKalypso`	`omg`
`03:09.58`	`DonKalypso`	`Are they gonna charge money for DoTA?`
`03:09.59`	`Tobin`	`?`
`03:10.13`	`Tobin`	`i doubt it, does it say that somewhere?`
`03:10.16`	`DonKalypso`	`idk`
`03:10.20`	`DonKalypso`	`Just a passing fear`
`03:10.37`	`Tobin`	`It would be pretty lame imo`
`03:10.48`	`Tobin`	`but highly unlikely`
`03:11.45`	`DonKalypso`	`This is Blizzard we're talking about`
`03:12.58`	`Tobin`	`Uhh well, when they release it we will get access to all assets (for sure) and could just recreate it`
`03:14.40`	`DonKalypso`	`Hmm`
`03:14.51`	`DonKalypso`	`I'm gonna read that water level movement script`
`03:15.37`	`Tobin`	`That one from the vid on the main page?`
`03:16.03`	`Tobin`	`(in the past)`
`03:16.08`	`DonKalypso`	`idk, prolly`
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`03:22.29`	`DonKalypso`	`I love the mindblades the Protoss use`
`03:27.51`	`DonKalypso`	`Oh`
`03:27.53`	`DonKalypso`	`Tobin`
`03:28.07`	`DonKalypso`	`Do you know how to change a model with an "equipped" item?`
`03:30.58`	`Tobin`	`No idea, im a newbie.`
`03:31.44`	`Tobin`	`That kind of stuff is so far over my head, i don't even try. . . yet.`
`03:32.10`	`DonKalypso`	`damn`
`03:32.48`	`DonKalypso`	`I was thinking of having the main character's actor change depending on the armour you have equipped`
`03:33.13`	`DonKalypso`	`You could go between marauder, Firebat, Merc Marauder, Merc Firebat, and Dominion Marauder`
`03:34.03`	`Tobin`	`Oh, i totally missunderstood what you meant. How you do it is.`
`03:34.07`	`DonKalypso`	`Oh`
`03:34.09`	`DonKalypso`	`Hmm`
`03:34.14`	`Tobin`	`JK lol i still dont know sorry.`
`03:34.18`	`DonKalypso`	`damn`
`03:36.26`	`Tobin`	`If your brand new to the editor you might want to start something easier`
`03:37.04`	`Tobin`	`Like a VERY simple rpg or td`
`03:37.31`	`DonKalypso`	`I'm more of a completionist`
`03:37.59`	`DonKalypso`	`But I suppose so`
`03:38.26`	`Tobin`	`I tried to do something 'hard' when i started also`
`03:38.50`	`Tobin`	`and i ended up doing everything i could by myself. then got stuck so much in so many places because of the difficulties, i just ended up dropping it.`
`03:38.55`	`DonKalypso`	`Honestly I think the actor switching is the only "hard" part`
`03:39.35`	`DonKalypso`	`But I suppose I can drop that part`
`03:39.53`	`Tobin`	`Yeah its not hard really... (just hard for me because i don't understand the inventory or model swapping (with data) systems).`
`03:40.27`	`Tobin`	`Do you have an inventory system in place yet?`
`03:40.32`	`DonKalypso`	`Nope`
`03:40.37`	`Tobin`	`I'd start there then`
`03:40.39`	`DonKalypso`	`Still planning out things`
`03:40.45`	`Tobin`	`Oh i see`
`03:42.26`	`DonKalypso`	`I think I'll go with the Dominion suit as the main one`
`03:42.38`	`Tobin`	`Yeah that ones awesome.`
`03:43.09`	`Tobin`	`Could probably use the merc versions as Tier 2 versions of suits too`
`03:43.43`	`DonKalypso`	`That's what I was planning`
`03:44.05`	`DonKalypso`	`The Merc Suits are upgraded armour that grant more bonuses`
`03:44.16`	`Tobin`	`solid`
`03:45.09`	`DonKalypso`	`I was even thinking of including an item that gives you a temporary Protoss shield`
`03:46.04`	`Tobin`	`I have a question for you...`
`03:46.14`	`DonKalypso`	`I have an answer for you`
`03:46.17`	`Tobin`	`what will make your RPG(?) differnt from others?`
`03:46.31`	`DonKalypso`	`Um`
`03:46.39`	`DonKalypso`	`idk`
`03:46.44`	`DonKalypso`	`Hadn't thought of that`
`03:47.45`	`DonKalypso`	`What could I add?`
`03:47.51`	`DonKalypso`	`What do you think would help?`
`03:48.16`	`Tobin`	`Not sure, thats just what i ask myself before i think of a concept.`
`03:48.37`	`DonKalypso`	`Perhaps the telling of an epic story of a Marauder who seeks to rescue his girlfriend from the evil King Protoss`
`03:49.14`	`DonKalypso`	`Going old school on ya'`
`03:49.19`	`Tobin`	`mario style!`
`03:49.23`	`DonKalypso`	`No`
`03:49.25`	`DonKalypso`	`RPG style`
`03:49.33`	`DonKalypso`	`But I like your thinking`
`03:50.18`	`DonKalypso`	`I've got it!`
`03:51.00`	`DonKalypso`	`Your girlfriend is a medic who was kidnapped in the middle of the night by King Protoss's troops`
`03:51.18`	`DonKalypso`	`You have to rescue her`
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`03:53.17`	`Tobin`	`Yeah, but Damsel in Distress = Generic. Anyways, i'm gona get back to terraining. If you need me you might have to ping me multiple times (because of music).`
`03:53.50`	`DonKalypso`	`damnit`
`03:53.55`	`DonKalypso`	`thought I had something there`
`03:54.28`	`Tobin`	`You could always go the comedy route.`
`03:55.06`	`Tobin`	`So easy to make fun of generic stuff...`
`03:56.05`	`Tobin`	`But when i meant mechanics when i said what will make your stuff different.`
`03:56.48`	`Tobin`	`Anyways, i'm gona get back to terraining. If you need me you might have to ping me multiple times (because of music).`
`03:58.04`	`DonKalypso`	`k`
`03:58.07`	`DonKalypso`	`Well, hmm`
`03:58.18`	`DonKalypso`	`I was planning on including several different items`
`03:58.26`	`DonKalypso`	`Different weapons you can have equipped`
`03:58.41`	`DonKalypso`	`Flamethrower, Machine Gun, and Missile Launcher`
`03:58.52`	`DonKalypso`	`Each is better at taking down different units`
`03:59.10`	`DonKalypso`	`I was thinking of including EMP grenades as well as an ability`
`03:59.51`	`DonKalypso`	`You'll have these little mini-quests where you can take down different units and little towns to obtain vespene gas and minerals`
`04:00.02`	`DonKalypso`	`Which are used to buy upgrades to your armour and weapons`
`04:00.31`	`DonKalypso`	`Your personal stats upgrade your "group" size, your HP, your movement speed, and your firing rate`
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`04:30.48`	`Mrop`	`hi`
`04:36.16`	`DonKalypso`	`Hi, Mrop`
`04:36.23`	`Mrop`	`:)`
`04:37.04`	`DonKalypso`	`Are you really good at using the editor?`
`04:38.17`	`Mrop`	`nop i am a utter nuub`
`04:38.27`	`Mrop`	`udder`
`04:38.29`	`Mrop`	`XD`
`04:38.33`	`DonKalypso`	`damn`
`04:38.46`	`DonKalypso`	`Right now I'm trying to make an RPG`
`04:38.46`	`Mrop`	`what do you need help with i can at least listen`
`04:38.51`	`DonKalypso`	`Well`
`04:39.09`	`DonKalypso`	`I'm a little confused as to if I can change a unit's actor with an equipped item`
`04:39.22`	`Mrop`	`idk anything about that`
`04:39.25`	`Mrop`	`:/`
`04:39.47`	`Abstruse`	`don you can`
`04:39.51`	`DonKalypso`	`Fun!`
`04:40.12`	`DonKalypso`	`But I suppose right now I wanna focus on trying to make a cinematic`
`04:40.13`	`Abstruse`	`look into the way that upgrades do it, im pretty sure it's an effect so just attach that effefct to the behavior`
`04:40.19`	`Abstruse`	`and the behavior to the ability`
`04:40.39`	`DonKalypso`	`Gonna have the Protoss King's troops kidnap the main character's girlfriend`
`04:40.42`	`Abstruse`	`cinematics :(`
`04:43.05`	`Mrop`	`lol is that like sc2 mario`
`04:43.11`	`Mrop`	`XD`
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`04:44.23`	`DonKalypso`	`Kinda`
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`04:45.41`	`Mrop`	`sup two :)`
`04:45.49`	`DonKalypso`	`OneTwo!`
`04:45.52`	`onetwo`	`man youre fast`
`04:45.53`	`DonKalypso`	`THE LEGEND HIMSELF!`
`04:46.03`	`DonKalypso`	`Whaddup?`
`04:46.15`	`Mrop`	`he like the one only better he is the two`
`04:46.22`	`onetwo`	`also, i thought there was a capital on "op"`
`04:46.22`	`Mrop`	`XD`
`04:46.48`	`Mrop`	`yea my mirc got all messed up`
`04:46.50`	`Mrop`	`:/`
`04:46.52`	`Mrop`	`idk`
`04:46.53`	`onetwo`	`yeah well get that fixed soon`
`04:46.56`	`Mrop`	`i lost all my links`
`04:46.58`	`onetwo`	`i dont talk to 'Mrop'`
`04:47.03`	`onetwo`	`only 'MrOp'`
`04:47.05`	`Mrop`	`nooooooooooooooooooooooooo`
`04:47.06`	`onetwo`	`lol`
`04:47.07`	`DonKalypso`	`heh`
`04:47.12`	`onetwo`	`well`
`04:47.16`	`Technomancer`	`just tested SC Universe... its interesting`
`04:47.17`	`MrOp`	`:p`
`04:47.23`	`onetwo`	`i took some of the WoW models from our WoW model thread`
`04:47.27`	`onetwo`	`and imported them as he said`
`04:47.28`	`DonKalypso`	`I must sound like some kinda newb/fan`
`04:47.30`	`onetwo`	`and they worked`
`04:47.50`	`onetwo`	`the characters from WoW don't work for me because htey have no weapon`
`04:47.54`	`onetwo`	`and i dont want to do attachments`
`04:47.56`	`onetwo`	`but`
`04:47.56`	`Tobin`	`Is that a new map technomancer?`
`04:47.57`	`onetwo`	`the buildings rock`
`04:48.17`	`MrOp`	`is that the sc2 mod or the real game`
`04:50.06`	`DonKalypso`	`What do you think of this concept for an RPG, OT?`
`04:50.33`	`DonKalypso`	`You play a Marauder who has to rescue his Medic girlfriend from the evil clutches of the Protoss King and his troops.`
`04:50.48`	`onetwo`	`Fing protoss king`
`04:50.50`	`onetwo`	`i hate that guy`
`04:51.00`	`DonKalypso`	`I know, right?`
`04:51.22`	`onetwo`	`http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/1957/wowgf.jpg`
`04:51.24`	`onetwo`	`WoW westfall models`
`04:51.26`	`onetwo`	`in my rpg map`
`04:51.29`	`onetwo`	`looks great imo`
`04:51.34`	`onetwo`	`so cool`
`04:51.44`	`Tobin`	`Hell yeah it does`
`04:55.08`	`Tobin`	`Will blizz allow use of models from WoW?`
`04:55.20`	`onetwo`	`iffy area`
`04:55.26`	`onetwo`	`but if they ban my map`
`04:55.28`	`onetwo`	`when its number 1`
`04:55.31`	`onetwo`	`cause it will be!`
`04:55.36`	`onetwo`	`therell be blood`
`04:55.38`	`onetwo`	`lol`
`04:55.39`	`Tobin`	`lol`
`04:56.26`	`Tobin`	`I dont see why they would personally, they alone own the rights to WoW(?) so it shouldn't be a problem.`
`04:56.50`	`DonKalypso`	`lol`
`04:56.54`	`DonKalypso`	`Well`
`04:57.06`	`DonKalypso`	`the did go after that guy who made a map "World of Starcraft"`
`04:58.07`	`Tobin`	`Good point, that was low. Same with forcing Left 2 Die to change name.`
`04:58.33`	`Tobin`	`onetwo what will your RPG's name be?`
`04:58.42`	`onetwo`	`survivors rpg atm`
`04:58.48`	`onetwo`	`based on the idea you survived through some way over time`
`04:58.55`	`onetwo`	`and are in a much more hostile world`
`04:59.09`	`Tobin`	`Ahh cool, future apoc?`
`04:59.14`	`onetwo`	`opposite actually`
`04:59.18`	`onetwo`	`i want fantasy`
`04:59.19`	`onetwo`	`lol`
`04:59.26`	`onetwo`	`but perhaps involving some alien force`
`04:59.28`	`onetwo`	`like xelnaga`
`04:59.30`	`onetwo`	`ancient times`
`04:59.40`	`Tobin`	`Oh`
`05:00.58`	`Tobin`	`I'm sure the cinematic will be so sick everyone will try it, at the least.`
`05:03.10`	`onetwo`	`im debating doing one`
`05:03.12`	`onetwo`	`vs just a gameplay vid`
`05:04.44`	`Tobin`	`I think you should, every map you've done a cinematic on has sky rocketed (after being main paged on sc2mapster of course). You could always do both anyways (unless its to much work).`
`05:07.47`	`onetwo`	`true`
`05:07.49`	`onetwo`	`good point`
`05:07.53`	`onetwo`	`or maybe a hybrid`
`05:07.57`	`onetwo`	`first half to grab your attention`
`05:08.00`	`onetwo`	`then 2nd half discusses gameplay`
`05:08.01`	`onetwo`	`and features`
`05:08.06`	`Tobin`	`Sandwich IMO`
`05:08.14`	`Tobin`	`Cine / gameplay / cine`
`05:08.27`	`Tobin`	`BTW did you do that prisoner map or was that a imposter?`
`05:09.13`	`onetwo`	`it was moi`
`05:09.17`	`onetwo`	`but that map has died`
`05:09.19`	`onetwo`	`and i must focus`
`05:09.22`	`onetwo`	`on pro rpg`
`05:09.27`	`onetwo`	`which will probably die eventually too`
`05:09.28`	`onetwo`	`lol`
`05:09.34`	`Tobin`	`Haha`
`05:09.36`	`Tobin`	`I really liked it`
`05:09.43`	`onetwo`	`:D im glad you enjoyed it`
`05:09.46`	`onetwo`	`a lot did but got burned out`
`05:09.48`	`onetwo`	`which is natural i guess`
`05:09.55`	`onetwo`	`i played most maps on the current popularity for 1 round`
`05:09.57`	`onetwo`	`and never again`
`05:09.58`	`onetwo`	`lol`
`05:10.04`	`Tobin`	`Same`
`05:10.07`	`onetwo`	`i actually just tried star battle 2 days ago`
`05:10.10`	`DonKalypso`	`lol`
`05:10.11`	`onetwo`	`i thought it would have been way better`
`05:10.15`	`onetwo`	`not even leveling`
`05:10.18`	`onetwo`	`i was shocked`
`05:10.21`	`Tobin`	`The only one i ever really go back to is mercy td`
`05:10.24`	`onetwo`	`oh yeah`
`05:10.28`	`onetwo`	`i love that style in war3 too`
`05:10.42`	`onetwo`	`we have some fun TDs`
`05:10.48`	`onetwo`	`i dont play TUGs, not my cup of tea`
`05:10.53`	`onetwo`	`and main custom list is frenzys and stuff`
`05:10.55`	`onetwo`	`not mine either`
`05:11.14`	`Tobin`	`I'm suprised non of the maps on top have better terrain`
`05:11.25`	`onetwo`	`its an interesting thing`
`05:11.27`	`onetwo`	`people love beauty`
`05:11.29`	`Tobin`	`If i made a map and it hit the top, I'd bust my ass on some terrain.`
`05:11.29`	`onetwo`	`but gameplay more`
`05:11.32`	`onetwo`	`yeah totally`
`05:11.38`	`onetwo`	`terrain is the funnest thing to make too`
`05:11.40`	`onetwo`	`its like art`
`05:11.43`	`Tobin`	`yup`
`05:11.59`	`Tobin`	`I'm actually terraining my map right now. Although some of it is tedious`
`05:12.03`	`onetwo`	`totally`
`05:12.04`	`onetwo`	`but it inspires me`
`05:12.16`	`DonKalypso`	`Must figure out how to use those dialogue thingies Blizz keeps talking about`
`05:12.16`	`onetwo`	`youd like to look at my rpg i think, every zone is vastly different`
`05:12.21`	`onetwo`	`using only one tileset, with creative doodad use`
`05:12.22`	`onetwo`	`its hilarious`
`05:13.20`	`Tobin`	`Did you see vid with Ele TD terrain? Thats probably the most innovative terrain i've seen.`
`05:13.44`	`Tobin`	`Creating 8(or9?) areas from 8 textures`
`05:14.23`	`onetwo`	`8-9 atm`
`05:14.27`	`onetwo`	`will be like 20-30`
`05:14.32`	`onetwo`	`i dont know what ill do`
`05:14.32`	`DonKalypso`	`Hmm`
`05:14.33`	`onetwo`	`lol`
`05:14.36`	`onetwo`	`yeah elements td`
`05:14.37`	`onetwo`	`i appreciate it`
`05:14.39`	`onetwo`	`promising map`
`05:14.43`	`onetwo`	`i hope its not too overly complex`
`05:14.49`	`DonKalypso`	`Is it possible to use more than one texture set?`
`05:15.01`	`Tobin`	`Nope`
`05:15.08`	`Tobin`	`Your limited to 8 + Creep`
`05:15.14`	`Deaod`	`SC2 only allows 8 different textures in a map.`
`05:15.56`	`Tobin`	`Oh btw onetwo, i'd love to see your terrain.`
`05:18.18`	`onetwo`	`teaser ! http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/4844/wow2u.jpg`
`05:18.20`	`onetwo`	`zoomed out`
`05:18.50`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Thels (GameBot@ip3e83cdbc.speed.planet.nl)`
`05:20.03`	`Tobin`	`Nice, good transitioning.`
`05:21.32`	`onetwo`	`its like mini WoW zones`
`05:21.33`	`onetwo`	`im making`
`05:21.34`	`onetwo`	`haha`
`05:21.42`	`onetwo`	`most unliked thing so far from 4-5 peoples feedback`
`05:21.46`	`onetwo`	`is quests arent epic enough`
`05:21.55`	`onetwo`	`like kill "X" this`
`05:21.59`	`onetwo`	`find Y that`
`05:22.05`	`Tobin`	`Yeah those are boring as hell`
`05:22.06`	`onetwo`	`its hard to think of good quests`
`05:22.09`	`onetwo`	`and hell`
`05:22.14`	`onetwo`	`i spent 2.5 years playing WoW doing those 'boring' quests`
`05:22.19`	`onetwo`	`and it didnt matter`
`05:22.23`	`onetwo`	`because it was about your character progressing`
`05:22.32`	`onetwo`	`but the other bigger issue is land use`
`05:22.39`	`onetwo`	`kill "X" units makes good reuse of terrain`
`05:22.45`	`Tobin`	`Yeah`
`05:22.48`	`onetwo`	`Diablo style quests where you traverse a giant world to kill one boss`
`05:22.52`	`onetwo`	`is not good for my tiny map`
`05:22.55`	`onetwo`	`tiny being 256x256`
`05:23.14`	`onetwo`	`but ill see`
`05:23.15`	`Tobin`	`Good point`
`05:23.24`	`Tobin`	`Maybe not have insignificant quests?`
`05:23.34`	`onetwo`	`almost every quest would be then`
`05:23.39`	`onetwo`	`aside from boss ones`
`05:23.43`	`onetwo`	`every quest is about helping a town out`
`05:24.16`	`onetwo`	`and my rpg isnt really about a story and a 12 hour game you play`
`05:24.17`	`Tobin`	`How about this`
`05:24.21`	`Tobin`	`keep the collect x`
`05:24.22`	`onetwo`	`its about growing your char like an mmo and playing for months`
`05:24.25`	`onetwo`	`yeah?`
`05:24.47`	`Tobin`	`Keep collect x of this and such but make x = 2 different items from units from diff zones`
`05:24.53`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Skizot (~skizot@pool-71-180-134-77.tampfl.fios.verizon.net)`
`05:24.53`	`Tobin`	`that way you still get traveling`
`05:25.00`	`MrOp`	`onetwo- can i use triggering player instead of (player1) in case i have more the one players`
`05:25.44`	`Tobin`	`Then you could have multiple quests that do this and keep the player runing around and returning to the same areas sometimes.`
`05:25.45`	`onetwo`	`yes`
`05:25.54`	`onetwo`	`yeah good point tobin`
`05:26.10`	`Tobin`	`The only problem i see is balance`
`05:26.12`	`Lilianna`	`Programming Competition, so fun :D`
`05:26.16`	`onetwo`	`and everything is compact`
`05:26.21`	`onetwo`	`as opposed to diablo and WoWs huge space`
`05:26.45`	`Tobin`	`but if i remember correctly in one of your vids you said every creeps diff is based on hero level?`
`05:26.57`	`Tobin`	`difficulty*`
`05:27.07`	`onetwo`	`um not atm`
`05:27.10`	`onetwo`	`since its 6 player map`
`05:27.13`	`onetwo`	`each zone is a level`
`05:27.17`	`Tobin`	`Oh.`
`05:27.18`	`onetwo`	`about`
`05:27.32`	`onetwo`	`so higher level players would come in`
`05:27.38`	`onetwo`	`waypoint it to town 3-4`
`05:27.39`	`onetwo`	`etc`
`05:27.41`	`onetwo`	`and quest from there`
`05:27.50`	`DonKalypso`	`Question`
`05:28.13`	`DonKalypso`	`how hard would it be to get a unit to follow another one without needing to be selected as part of a group?`
`05:29.28`	`onetwo`	`?`
`05:29.36`	`DonKalypso`	`Like`
`05:29.40`	`onetwo`	`just order the unit to follow the unit?`
`05:29.50`	`DonKalypso`	`Like`
`05:29.54`	`DonKalypso`	`unit 1`
`05:29.58`	`DonKalypso`	`Follows Unit 2`
`05:30.03`	`onetwo`	`yeah?`
`05:30.11`	`DonKalypso`	`Without needing input from the player to do so`
`05:30.21`	`onetwo`	`when does this need to happen`
`05:30.43`	`DonKalypso`	`When you "purchase" party members`
`05:30.52`	`onetwo`	`assuming you know when it happens`
`05:30.55`	`onetwo`	`and can respond to this event in triggers`
`05:30.59`	`Tobin`	`Ahh you need something more complex then that.`
`05:31.06`	`onetwo`	`oh`
`05:31.09`	`onetwo`	`party rpg style`
`05:31.16`	`onetwo`	`well it can be done more complex`
`05:31.21`	`Tobin`	`if you want the part members to attack and stuff.`
`05:31.23`	`onetwo`	`but simplest thing is you respond to the event of when that unit is created`
`05:31.45`	`onetwo`	`action to order created unit to follow (convert unit to unit group(main hero))`
`05:31.54`	`onetwo`	`yeah that would require AI`
`05:32.04`	`onetwo`	`involving triggers to order the purchased dude to move when your main guy is`
`05:32.14`	`Tobin`	`or a ton of triggers`
`05:32.14`	`onetwo`	`attack move if your main guy attack moves`
`05:32.16`	`onetwo`	`yeah`
`05:32.28`	`DonKalypso`	`Don't units automatically attack opposing teams?`
`05:32.34`	`onetwo`	`not when set to follow`
`05:32.39`	`DonKalypso`	`I see`
`05:32.41`	`DonKalypso`	`Hmm`
`05:33.00`	`DonKalypso`	`I suppose I can hold off on the party dynamic for later maps I make`
`05:33.30`	`onetwo`	`well itd just require work`
`05:33.30`	`DonKalypso`	`It was a passing idea that I thought would help the player`
`05:33.37`	`onetwo`	`seeing as how a lot of professionally made games have bad party AI`
`05:33.39`	`onetwo`	`nevermind us`
`05:33.40`	`onetwo`	`lol`
`05:33.49`	`DonKalypso`	`Like you hire a medic and a couple marines`
`05:35.15`	`DonKalypso`	`So while you focus on killing a large mob the marines shoot down airborne targets and the medic provides heals`
`05:35.56`	`onetwo`	`one of those things that sounds easy`
`05:36.03`	`onetwo`	`but in reality has a million things going on in the background`
`05:36.03`	`DonKalypso`	`The medic?`
`05:36.04`	`onetwo`	`making it smooth`
`05:36.09`	`onetwo`	`well i dont know about medic`
`05:36.11`	`onetwo`	`give it a try`
`05:36.17`	`onetwo`	`give yourself a medic and a hero`
`05:36.20`	`onetwo`	`go ingame`
`05:36.25`	`onetwo`	`order medic to follow hero`
`05:36.28`	`onetwo`	`and go send hero into battle`
`05:36.32`	`onetwo`	`see if medic heals while stnading`
`05:36.33`	`onetwo`	`standing`
`05:36.37`	`onetwo`	`if it does`
`05:36.39`	`onetwo`	`then sweet`
`05:38.02`	`Tobin`	`Hey I want some feedback on some ideas before I put some time down on them...`
`05:38.18`	`DonKalypso`	`uh oh`
`05:38.22`	`Tobin`	`hehe`
`05:38.25`	`DonKalypso`	`She did`
`05:38.28`	`DonKalypso`	`Then she died`
`05:38.30`	`DonKalypso`	`rofl`
`05:38.54`	`Tobin`	`check unit priority`
`05:38.56`	`Tobin`	`in data`
`05:39.09`	`DonKalypso`	`Apparently Zerglings are able to tear through a medic easily`
`05:39.23`	`Tobin`	`make sure medic is lower priority then hero`
`05:39.39`	`onetwo`	`lol nice don`
`05:39.57`	`DonKalypso`	`You can call me Kaly`
`05:40.00`	`DonKalypso`	`Don is a title`
`05:40.50`	`Tobin`	`So anyways, heres my concept...`
`05:41.19`	`onetwo`	`don franchesco Kaly`
`05:41.21`	`onetwo`	`is your new name`
`05:41.29`	`Tobin`	`lol`
`05:42.42`	`Tobin`	`2v2 / TD / Wintermaul Style Creep Spawning / Creeps fight each other / Upgradeable Creeps / Mazing / Boss units at end of path (death = lose)`
`05:43.30`	`Tobin`	`What do you think?`
`05:44.30`	`onetwo`	`interesting concept`
`05:44.35`	`onetwo`	`im a huge fan of income/wars based TDs`
`05:45.07`	`Tobin`	`Its more of a hybrid TD / Tug`
`05:45.39`	`Tobin`	`Right now i have everything set up beside wintermaul style spawning and bosses.`
`05:46.00`	`onetwo`	`well my only suggestion would be use an income system`
`05:46.02`	`onetwo`	`people love that shit`
`05:46.07`	`Tobin`	`I have it`
`05:46.15`	`onetwo`	`nice`
`05:47.17`	`MrOp`	`thxs for your patience`
`05:47.17`	`Tobin`	`Currently i have the 3 races for selection with upgrades from probe / scv / drone to sentry / stalker / zealot / ghost / marine / maruader / hydra / roach / zergling`
`05:47.36`	`MrOp`	`i know i learn slow`
`05:47.39`	`MrOp`	`XD`
`05:48.06`	`onetwo`	`:D`
`05:48.08`	`onetwo`	`well`
`05:48.11`	`Tobin`	`I'm debating weither or not to switch to wintermaul style spawning. I'm not sure which would fit my map better.`
`05:48.13`	`onetwo`	`you could just work a lot faster`
`05:48.17`	`onetwo`	`with programming experience`
`05:48.19`	`onetwo`	`but itll come`
`05:48.40`	`MrOp`	`as much as i would like to understand what you are saying let me work on this`
`05:48.45`	`onetwo`	`yeah exactlyh`
`05:48.46`	`MrOp`	`i sort of have ADD`
`05:48.59`	`MrOp`	`and it interesting so i want to follow you but i dont`
`05:49.00`	`MrOp`	`lol`
`05:49.18`	`onetwo`	`lol`
`05:49.32`	`MrOp`	`if i get to much imput at time my brain freaks out`
`05:49.44`	`MrOp`	`sometime triggers a seizure`
`05:49.54`	`MrOp`	`if you have agood debug code for that shot it my way`
`05:49.58`	`MrOp`	`XD`
`05:50.10`	`onetwo`	`file not found`
`05:50.20`	`MrOp`	`pretty much`
`05:50.32`	`MrOp`	`i just sit there blank stared`
`05:50.43`	`MrOp`	`and i dont understand anything even if you ask me what 2+2 os`
`05:50.44`	`MrOp`	`is`
`05:50.53`	`onetwo`	`go work`
`05:50.54`	`MrOp`	`well that is only if it is really bad`
`05:50.57`	`MrOp`	`lol`
`05:50.58`	`MrOp`	`XD`
`05:51.12`	`MrOp`	`YES SIR!!`
`05:51.33`	`MrOp`	`-Vegi Power fist-`
`05:53.04`	`Tobin`	`onetwo do you have any tuts in the works?`
`05:53.20`	`Tobin`	`or are you going all out on you rpg?`
`05:54.12`	`onetwo`	`atm i am`
`05:54.16`	`onetwo`	`but i want to do some fairly soon`
`05:54.57`	`Tobin`	`Any ideas?`
`05:55.39`	`onetwo`	`arrays and loops`
`05:55.42`	`onetwo`	`action definitons`
`05:55.47`	`onetwo`	`and then some abilities`
`05:56.55`	`Tobin`	`I see, I'm definitely interested in the action definitions (I don't even know what those are).`
`05:57.05`	`onetwo`	`will save you so much pain`
`05:57.07`	`onetwo`	`lol`
`05:57.19`	`Tobin`	`What do they do?`
`05:57.25`	`onetwo`	`i dont do obscure tutorials about random shit, i use these things every day`
`05:57.26`	`onetwo`	`um`
`05:57.30`	`onetwo`	`say you had a TD`
`05:57.36`	`onetwo`	`and you had a set of actions for when all lives were lost`
`05:57.45`	`onetwo`	`and another VERY similar or same set of actions when all players left`
`05:57.55`	`onetwo`	`why have the same actions in 2 places?`
`05:58.06`	`onetwo`	`instead, put all the actions into an action def`
`05:58.14`	`onetwo`	`and then 'call' the action def from when all lives are lost or when all players left`
`05:58.25`	`onetwo`	`that way later on when changing one thing due to a bug or whatnot`
`05:58.28`	`onetwo`	`you only change one place`
`05:58.53`	`Tobin`	`You mean like using a variable for lets say the 20 lives you start with that keeps track of lives?`
`05:59.01`	`Tobin`	`instead of typing in 20 for each of those?`
`05:59.13`	`onetwo`	`yes`
`05:59.18`	`onetwo`	`in the same sense of preventing duplication`
`05:59.24`	`onetwo`	`you would use a global var set to 20`
`05:59.29`	`onetwo`	`rather than typing in 20 into 5 different places`
`05:59.34`	`onetwo`	`and having to find all those places`
`05:59.34`	`Tobin`	`Ahh, i already do that..`
`05:59.37`	`onetwo`	`ah`
`05:59.51`	`onetwo`	`but the fun thing about action defs is you can pass through stuff`
`05:59.52`	`Tobin`	`That makes me feel smart though haha`
`06:00.07`	`onetwo`	`say you had a defeat actions`
`06:00.11`	`onetwo`	`well you could pass in the player number`
`06:00.13`	`onetwo`	`of who was defeated`
`06:00.17`	`onetwo`	`and run those actions in an action def on said player`
`06:00.54`	`onetwo`	`thats the value`
`06:01.05`	`onetwo`	`you could have an action def like MakeHeroForPlayer(integer playernumber)`
`06:01.14`	`onetwo`	`and just by giving it the player number it takes care of the rest`
`06:01.17`	`onetwo`	`assuming you made that action def`
`06:01.25`	`onetwo`	`like functions in programming`
`06:01.31`	`onetwo`	`its like*`
`06:03.19`	`Tobin`	`Should combine arrays with action definitions for tut`
`06:03.39`	`onetwo`	`maybe`
`06:03.42`	`onetwo`	`not a bad idea actually`
`06:03.59`	`Tobin`	`Because if your using action defs, your probably going to have plenty of chances to explain arrays`
`06:04.09`	`onetwo`	`right now im making an action def`
`06:04.16`	`onetwo`	`that takes in a unit and a text`
`06:04.19`	`onetwo`	`and then will display it above an npc`
`06:04.25`	`Tobin`	`Personally arrays confused the hell out of me in your tuts (no offense).`
`06:04.33`	`onetwo`	`so that way my 20+ triggers can use this action def`
`06:04.45`	`onetwo`	`ah yeah well i always assumed prior knowledge`
`06:04.47`	`onetwo`	`for the most part`
`06:05.11`	`Tobin`	`Yeah, I was brand new so thats probably why.`
`06:05.18`	`onetwo`	`array is essentially the difference between doing Player1Lives, Player2Lives, Player3Lives,Player4Lives etc`
`06:05.24`	`onetwo`	`and just PlayerLives[4]`
`06:06.01`	`Tobin`	`I figured it out eventually, but still that had me stumped for quite a while.`
`06:06.04`	`onetwo`	`ah yeah`
`06:06.14`	`onetwo`	`i learned them in war3`
`06:06.16`	`onetwo`	`:D`
`06:06.23`	`onetwo`	`triggers are so similar`
`06:06.26`	`onetwo`	`to war 3 actually`
`06:07.18`	`Tobin`	`Hey if you run out of ideas, you can always do Introduction to the GE by OneTwoSC haha`
`06:08.00`	`onetwo`	`haha its hard`
`06:08.03`	`onetwo`	`so many things in one editor`
`06:09.08`	`Tobin`	`Yeah, it'd end up being a lot of work. But I mean only the essentials "Introduction to Triggers" And explain in detail what Arrays Dialogs and such do.`
`06:09.19`	`onetwo`	`ah`
`06:11.13`	`Tobin`	`Just a suggestion, Its something that hasn't been done yet (in vid at least) and i think it would help a lot of new players understand how to solve things on their own.`
`06:12.31`	`Tobin`	`Once i started figuring out how triggers work, it became more a question of common sense to figure out how to accomplish something.`
`06:12.46`	`onetwo`	`ah`
`06:12.57`	`Sixen`	`Anyone know if SEA/EU trials can be used to submit maps?`
`06:13.59`	`Tobin`	`Hmm, good idea. I'd like to know if that works too.`
`06:14.14`	`Sixen`	`meh. i'll test it now. Gimme a few mins.`
`06:18.14`	`Tobin`	`Ping me when you have the results please.`
`06:18.25`	`onetwo`	`fax my secretary while youre at it six`
`06:18.26`	`onetwo`	`thx`
`06:18.29`	`onetwo`	`:D`
`06:19.36`	`Sixen`	`lol`
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`06:21.05`	`Sixen`	`tobin: hmmm...`
`06:21.15`	`Sixen`	`It might be possible with an active version`
`06:21.39`	`Tobin`	`Oh hahaha OneTwo...`
`06:21.45`	`onetwo`	`lol`
`06:21.50`	`Sixen`	`It's not letting me login due to an expired trial`
`06:21.56`	`Sixen`	`But it used to let me login when it worked.`
`06:22.32`	`Tobin`	`So you'll have to get a bud on EU to see if it worked?`
`06:22.39`	`Sixen`	`Nup, you can see the custom game list on the editor, can't you?`
`06:22.52`	`Tobin`	`Oh, right forgot lol.`
`06:22.56`	`Sixen`	`;)`
`06:23.48`	`Tobin`	`Oh wow, it truly surprises me how many things go over my head...`
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`06:24.21`	`solooperative`	`is there a way to add an attribute bonus to a damage effect that doesn't already have it?`
`06:24.42`	`Tobin`	`OBVIOUSLY you cant check to see if it works, if you couldn't log in to upload.... <- So dumb....`
`06:24.47`	`onetwo`	`what`
`06:24.55`	`onetwo`	`maybe solo?`
`06:25.00`	`onetwo`	`through triggers`
`06:25.05`	`onetwo`	`catalog set field value`
`06:25.10`	`solooperative`	`oh ok`
`06:25.24`	`solooperative`	`if I make a new damage effect from scratch`
`06:25.30`	`solooperative`	`how do I add an attribute bonus to it?`
`06:25.57`	`onetwo`	`in data editor?`
`06:26.02`	`solooperative`	`yea`
`06:26.10`	`onetwo`	`in the attribute bonus field?`
`06:26.15`	`solooperative`	`yea`
`06:26.18`	`onetwo`	`im confused`
`06:26.20`	`solooperative`	`there's no bonus field`
`06:26.27`	`solooperative`	`oh maybe I'm doing something wrong`
`06:26.44`	`onetwo`	`FieldAssassin - Poison Powder Damage Level 1 Combat - Attribute Bonus(0\|0\|0\|0\|0\|0\|0\|0\|0\|0)`
`06:26.49`	`onetwo`	`dont you have something like that`
`06:26.50`	`onetwo`	`the 2nd half`
`06:26.57`	`solooperative`	`nope`
`06:27.01`	`onetwo`	`Damage Effect?`
`06:27.08`	`onetwo`	`4th field from top`
`06:27.10`	`onetwo`	`assuming tableview is on`
`06:27.11`	`solooperative`	`yea I get it when i duplicate effects`
`06:27.28`	`solooperative`	`combat -attribute bonus`
`06:27.35`	`onetwo`	`right`
`06:27.39`	`onetwo`	`so its not coming up?`
`06:27.40`	`onetwo`	`wtf`
`06:27.41`	`solooperative`	`not when I make new ones`
`06:27.56`	`onetwo`	`i just right clicked`
`06:28.03`	`onetwo`	`made a new effect based on CeffectDamage`
`06:28.10`	`onetwo`	`with 'defines default values' NOT checked`
`06:28.21`	`onetwo`	`and its fine`
`06:28.26`	`onetwo`	`try restarting editor`
`06:28.29`	`solooperative`	`yea me too`
`06:28.31`	`solooperative`	`ok`
`06:28.35`	`onetwo`	`i dont know what else`
`06:28.36`	`onetwo`	`thats odd`
`06:29.59`	`solooperative`	`yea, all I get is the editor fields`
`06:30.56`	`solooperative`	`oh`
`06:31.01`	`solooperative`	`I had show default values`
`06:31.04`	`solooperative`	`unchecked`
`06:31.05`	`onetwo`	`ugh`
`06:31.06`	`onetwo`	`yeah`
`06:31.12`	`solooperative`	`:\`
`06:31.14`	`Tobin`	`Dont you love that button?`
`06:31.17`	`solooperative`	`that's annoying`
`06:31.45`	`Tobin`	`IDK why they have it honestly, if your editing almost everything in the advanced fields is necessary.`
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`07:09.17`	`MrOp`	`:)`
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`07:31.00`	`DonKalypso`	`Okay`
`07:31.01`	`DonKalypso`	`I'm back`
`07:31.10`	`DonKalypso`	`Had to finish a D&D sheet`
`07:31.36`	`DonKalypso`	`And then basically tell off the DM in regards to jipping me my well deserved +1 to Natural Armour`
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`07:41.42`	`Sixen`	`back`
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`07:43.02`	`Tordy`	`hello`
`07:43.07`	`DonKalypso`	`Yo`
`07:46.13`	`Abstruse`	`fucking dms`
`07:48.44`	`Abstruse`	`i stopped playing anything like dnd in person after that trip to the hospital`
`07:48.56`	`DonKalypso`	`What happened?`
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`07:56.23`	`DonKalypso`	`Hmm`
`07:56.43`	`DonKalypso`	`I wanna make the Merc Compound the team purchasing building`
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`07:56.58`	`DonKalypso`	`Just have no idea of how to do that`
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`08:00.11`	`MrOp`	`sup`
`08:02.23`	`DonKalypso`	`Not much`
`08:02.39`	`DonKalypso`	`Trying to turn the Merc Compound into a party purchasing building`
`08:07.09`	`ushastiy`	`Guys, is there any way to edit xml files from galaxy editor? For now, I use some scripts to build and extract mpq files. But it is still terrible waste of time when you wait 1000 times a day while builded map is loaded into editor`
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`08:11.01`	`MrOp`	`are there any programmer trigger people alive`
`08:11.06`	`MrOp`	`i have a basic question`
`08:17.27`	`Tordy`	`<PROTECTED>`
`08:17.55`	`MrOp`	`you know about triggering and stuff tordy?`
`08:18.02`	`Tordy`	`a lil`
`08:18.25`	`MrOp`	`do you know why i am getting this triggering error`
`08:18.26`	`MrOp`	`[2/20/2011 1:04:17 AM] Warning: Invalid trigger element reference removed from Parameter Value 'Unknown' (Function Call, 139D5C7A, Lib: 0)`
`08:18.35`	`MrOp`	`all of my trigger work`
`08:18.40`	`MrOp`	`or is this juts a bug`
`08:18.43`	`MrOp`	`or something`
`08:18.58`	`MrOp`	`and i have like 50ish of them when i open the trigger part`
`08:18.59`	`Tordy`	`should be fine right`
`08:19.10`	`Tordy`	`everything's working?`
`08:19.18`	`MrOp`	`yea that i am aware of`
`08:19.23`	`MrOp`	`:/`
`08:19.36`	`Tordy`	`it happens when you open the trigger editor right?`
`08:19.41`	`MrOp`	`yea`
`08:19.42`	`Tordy`	`does it happen even after you saved it?`
`08:20.21`	`Tordy`	`iunno i think it's nothing`
`08:20.32`	`Tordy`	`it happens to me a lot after i deleted a few things`
`08:20.44`	`MrOp`	`k`
`08:21.09`	`MrOp`	`thxs`
`08:21.17`	`Tordy`	`dont think you can edito xml directly from the galaxy`
`08:21.33`	`MrOp`	`idk what you are saying XD`
`08:21.44`	`Tordy`	`ushastiy ^^`
`08:21.54`	`MrOp`	`uh what`
`08:22.07`	`Tordy`	`[03:07] <ushastiy> Guys, is there any way to edit xml files from galaxy editor? For now, I use some scripts to build and extract mpq files. But it is still terrible waste of time when you wait 1000 times a day while builded map is loaded into editor`
`08:22.09`	`MrOp`	`also the trigger editor is laggy`
`08:22.14`	`Tordy`	`referrign to him`
`08:22.15`	`Tordy`	`:]`
`08:22.18`	`MrOp`	`o`
`08:22.22`	`Tordy`	`yea it's a bit laggy`
`08:22.27`	`MrOp`	`sigh`
`08:22.33`	`MrOp`	`it wasnt b4`
`08:22.33`	`MrOp`	`:/`
`08:22.42`	`Tordy`	`gets a bit laggy when you got a lot of stuff`
`08:22.51`	`MrOp`	`yea i guess`
`08:23.02`	`MrOp`	`one trigger is like 70+ if thans`
`08:23.13`	`MrOp`	`and i am only on 25`
`08:23.15`	`MrOp`	`:/`
`08:25.58`	`Tordy`	`try restarting the editor and see if it helps?`
`08:26.05`	`MrOp`	`yea i did 2x`
`08:26.08`	`MrOp`	`still laggy`
`08:26.10`	`MrOp`	`:/`
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`08:30.26`	`Tordy`	`god this editor is a pain`
`08:30.28`	`Tordy`	`data edotpr`
`08:30.36`	`Tordy`	`anyone here good with data editing?`
`08:30.50`	`MrOp`	`onetwo as some tuts`
`08:30.56`	`MrOp`	`did you look at those`
`08:31.08`	`MrOp`	`youtube.comonetwo`
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`08:31.25`	`MrOp`	`<PROTECTED>`
`08:31.31`	`Tordy`	`not exactly sure what the name of it is`
`08:31.35`	`Tordy`	`it's like`
`08:31.41`	`Tordy`	`putting poison on the floor`
`08:31.52`	`Tordy`	`and units stepping over it will take damage/`
`08:31.56`	`Tordy`	`over time`
`08:31.57`	`Tordy`	`somethin like that`
`08:31.59`	`MrOp`	`like you are making a poison floor`
`08:32.19`	`Tordy`	`i got a unit that has an ability to make a temporary poison floor`
`08:32.36`	`MrOp`	`wouldnt you do that with regions`
`08:32.45`	`MrOp`	`idk but i to make something simular`
`08:32.51`	`MrOp`	`for a floor though`
`08:32.56`	`MrOp`	`not an ability`
`08:33.39`	`Tordy`	`yea but i want to do this with only data editor`
`08:33.41`	`Tordy`	`no triggers/regions`
`08:33.47`	`MrOp`	`idk`
`08:34.14`	`Tordy`	`hmmm maybe i have idea`
`08:34.17`	`Tordy`	`but it's very inefficient one`
`08:34.27`	`Tordy`	`is to create a unit that generates a poison aura`
`08:34.36`	`Tordy`	`an invisible unit`
`08:34.49`	`Tordy`	`and it'll expire w/e the time you want is for the poison floor to last`
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`08:45.43`	`growler_`	`hi`
`08:45.56`	`growler_`	`does anyone know how to make a temporary invulnerability beheavior?`
`08:46.12`	`growler_`	`I want to make any unit that is within a certain distance from another unit`
`08:46.15`	`growler_`	`be invulnerable`
`08:46.38`	`growler_`	`I have a search that can apply an attribute behavior`
`08:46.49`	`growler_`	`but I don't know how to take it off when the unit leaves the range`
`08:48.42`	`MrOp`	`oh tordy i found that if you have to make a new trigger if you are getting lag`
`08:49.00`	`MrOp`	`it means it is getting to big i guess`
`08:49.07`	`MrOp`	`lag went away for me when i did that`
`08:56.28`	`Stragus`	`growler_, what is that search? An effect? What triggers the search?`
`08:56.41`	`growler_`	`so no triggers`
`08:56.45`	`growler_`	`I have a structure`
`08:56.48`	`growler_`	`that has a behavior`
`08:56.58`	`growler_`	`that applies a periodic search to apply a behavior`
`08:57.08`	`growler_`	`that should make the target invulnerable`
`08:57.12`	`growler_`	`and that works`
`08:57.18`	`growler_`	`but I want the invulnerablity to leave`
`08:57.23`	`Stragus`	`Okay. If the search is going to be done continuously, then make the invulnerability behavior's duration just a little longer than the period between searches`
`08:57.25`	`growler_`	`when the unit is out of range of the caster`
`08:57.30`	`growler_`	`ok`
`08:57.30`	`Stragus`	`And it will disappear by itself when out of range`
`08:57.38`	`growler_`	`so how do I get the invulnerability attribute`
`08:57.41`	`growler_`	`to have a duration?`
`08:57.48`	`growler_`	`doees it have to be a buff?`
`08:57.52`	`Stragus`	`You make the whole behavior have a duration`
`08:57.58`	`growler_`	`oh cool`
`08:58.02`	`growler_`	`where's that?`
`08:58.19`	`growler_`	`it's in stats under buff`
`08:58.23`	`growler_`	`but not under attribute`
`08:58.23`	`Stragus`	`Behavior, Stats - Duration?`
`08:58.33`	`growler_`	`yea no w/ attribute`
`08:58.34`	`Stragus`	`It has to be a buff`
`08:58.38`	`growler_`	`can I make it invulnerable in a buff?`
`08:58.50`	`Stragus`	`Sure you can`
`08:58.59`	`growler_`	`ok I can't find the state flag`
`08:59.10`	`Stragus`	`Attributes are something else, a bit weird. Use buffs`
`08:59.27`	`Stragus`	`Uncheck "Combine Structure values" in Edit top menu`
`08:59.29`	`growler_`	`ok so in the buff behavior`
`08:59.31`	`growler_`	`ok`
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`08:59.37`	`Stragus`	`Behavior - Modification - State Flags`
`09:00.00`	`Abstruse`	`and remember, if it isn't on fire and screaming, it doesn't know pain`
`09:00.19`	`growler_`	`cool`
`09:00.23`	`growler_`	`thanks stragus`
`09:00.39`	`growler_`	`testing now`
`09:16.38`	`growler_`	`ok got it to work`
`09:16.46`	`growler_`	`learned that you can't apply two effects with the same search`
`09:32.50`	`growler_`	`someone should make a validator tutorial!!`
`09:39.41`	`growler_`	`so I'm trying to make a validator that checks if a behavior is still in effect`
`09:40.36`	`growler_`	`just tried behavior state, didn't see behavior count before`
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`09:56.53`	`growler_`	`validators are awesome`
`09:56.58`	`growler_`	`:)`
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`10:28.32`	`growler_`	`hey anyone want to test w/ me?`
`10:28.57`	`growler_`	`I'll be in sc2mapster channel on NA server`
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`11:51.34`	`harl`	`hey`
`11:53.58`	`Hati`	`hye`
`11:54.00`	`Hati`	`hey*`
`11:54.34`	`Hati`	`hmm yeah 22hours for sc2 download`
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`12:27.02`	`Agouti`	`Helral you around?`
`12:27.19`	`Agouti`	`hmm`
`12:27.46`	`Agouti`	`Meow meow, Helral, meow meow meow?`
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`12:34.15`	`Hati`	`summon Helral.`
`12:37.10`	`Helrol`	`Fail.`
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`12:38.16`	`Skizot`	`holla!`
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`12:39.39`	`Abstruse`	`holler?`
`12:39.44`	`Abstruse`	`what's a holler?`
`12:39.54`	`Abstruse`	`is it like a collar?`
`12:41.04`	`Agouti`	`no, it's a holla`
`12:41.08`	`Agouti`	`completely different`
`12:50.01`	`Hati`	`it's like hello`
`12:53.57`	`Agouti`	`I wonder what would be involved in a Helral summoning ritual`
`12:56.25`	`Hati`	`kittens`
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`13:37.02`	`Demonette`	`No one there oO`
`13:37.15`	`Agouti`	`<`
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`13:57.58`	`Demonette`	`No you are not...`
`13:59.11`	`Demonette`	`Is it able to set some basictypes i can base other units on?`
`13:59.13`	`Agouti`	`o`
`13:59.19`	`Demonette`	`!`
`13:59.22`	`Agouti`	`yes`
`13:59.23`	`Demonette`	`!o!`
`13:59.26`	`Demonette`	`How =D`
`13:59.29`	`Demonette`	`tell ma`
`13:59.39`	`Agouti`	`just create the base type you want`
`13:59.47`	`Agouti`	`then when you want a unit based on it`
`13:59.53`	`Agouti`	`select it under "Based On"`
`14:01.45`	`Demonette`	`And how do i create a base type? like those grey ones...`
`14:02.28`	`Hati`	`gray ones are prototypes`
`14:02.37`	`Hati`	`you can only create other defaults`
`14:03.05`	`Demonette`	`aaah found it...`
`14:03.26`	`Demonette`	`thx =)`
`14:03.44`	`Agouti`	`off topic: Chrome's spell check fails.`
`14:03.55`	`Agouti`	`Or, more specifically, it's spelling suggestions fail`
`14:06.13`	`Demonette`	`post suggestion for icons http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/art-assets/15975-the-spawning-cluster-icons-abilities-and-more-for-your/?post=47`
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`14:06.47`	`Demonette`	`and rate existing concepts and done icons =)`
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`14:18.18`	`Demonette`	`=S`
`14:20.56`	`Demonette`	`not sure how to structure it well =/`
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`14:46.00`	`Abstruse`	`wow demon did you sketch those?`
`14:48.36`	`Demonette`	`yeah i did`
`14:50.12`	`Abstruse`	`skills`
`14:51.29`	`Demonette`	`thx =P`
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`15:06.40`	`Hati`	`but you scanned it or demonette?`
`15:06.50`	`Demonette`	`Nope`
`15:06.55`	`Demonette`	`I drawn it in gimp`
`15:07.01`	`Hati`	`k`
`15:07.13`	`Hati`	`but you own a graphic tablet :o`
`15:07.27`	`Demonette`	`Yeah =D`
`15:07.33`	`Hati`	`which one? :P`
`15:08.02`	`Demonette`	`Bamboo... not sure which exactly... got it to my birthday a year ago or so =)`
`15:08.38`	`Demonette`	`Oh wait... the bamboo says its an CTH 661`
`15:08.50`	`Demonette`	`Wacom =P`
`15:09.27`	`Hati`	`ah ok`
`15:09.34`	`Hati`	`guess it is later versiion of mine`
`15:09.38`	`Hati`	`with buttons near the "lamp"`
`15:10.10`	`Demonette`	`Mmmhh`
`15:10.14`	`Demonette`	`could... be XD`
`15:10.23`	`Hati`	`yeah its the white one`
`15:10.28`	`Hati`	`got the black smaller one`
`15:12.03`	`Demonette`	`Mmmhh okay.. ^^ if you say so... well i haven't use the buttons a lot...`
`15:12.07`	`Demonette`	`used..`
`15:12.12`	`Demonette`	`not sure...`
`15:12.54`	`Demonette`	`i think the fact that you can "draw" or make movements like you would draw is an important base for digital draw`
`15:13.15`	`Demonette`	`drawing with a normal mouse is a pain =P`
`15:14.06`	`Hati`	`yup but i usually draw vector graphics anyway`
`15:14.11`	`Hati`	`or use it to write`
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`15:14.30`	`Demonette`	`vector graphics are actually very cool as well =D`
`15:14.51`	`Demonette`	`but well very hard to get something that looks kind a real or so with them...`
`15:15.40`	`Demonette`	`done my icons and arrow symbols in my thread with vector graphics =D`
`15:21.13`	`Hati`	`ah damn it <.<`
`15:21.43`	`Hati`	`forgot to unset init bools`
`15:23.39`	`Demonette`	`=P`
`15:24.03`	`Demonette`	`Think i will be off for some matchies...`
`15:24.11`	`Demonette`	`a little bored of the editor again...`
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`15:41.03`	`Hati`	`ID should be greater than 4 characters.`
`15:41.13`	`Hati`	`iam so screwed with my nick`
`16:01.15`	`JademusSreg`	`I awaken.`
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`17:49.22`	`Demonette`	`!`
`17:49.24`	`Demonette`	`Hi ones`
`17:49.27`	`Hati`	`someone knows a page with all patchnotes for sc2?`
`17:49.40`	`Hati`	`including beta and stuff`
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`18:08.24`	`egod`	`SCRIPT TO LARGE OWN ME !`
`18:08.38`	`Hati`	`reduce the size :>`
`18:08.50`	`Tobin`	`How can I Change guardian shield to reduce damage to 1 instead of 10 and effect hp instead of shield?`
`18:08.54`	`egod`	`i did, and its back again`
`18:09.00`	`Tobin`	`sorry i meant hardened shield8`
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`18:10.38`	`egod`	`this editor is way to small`
`18:10.45`	`egod`	`fuk blizz`
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`18:15.45`	`egod`	`http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/2112372696`
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`18:24.23`	`Tobin`	`Don't give up so easily! You say the trigger size limit has been reached, and I assume it prevents the map from loading. I wrote a Galaxy script obfuscation program that also renames all variables/triggers/functions, the resulting scripts can be 40% of their original size. Sounds like it would be very useful to you... The tool is not quite public yet because it's command-line and therefore not very convenient for most people. Let`
`18:24.28`	`Tobin`	`did you see that egod?`
`18:24.45`	`Tobin`	`http://www.sc2mapster.com/profiles/StragusMapster/`
`18:25.26`	`Tobin`	`Oh he left...`
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`18:26.29`	`Tobin`	`Well anyways, can someone tell me how to recreate a hardened shield effect? (I need it to affect hp and reduce damage to 1)`
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`18:27.43`	`Leaderboard`	`I'd like to be part of a project !`
`18:27.48`	`Tobin`	`I can't seem to find what makes Hardened shield reduce damage.`
`18:27.51`	`QueenGambit_`	`okay!`
`18:27.58`	`QueenGambit_`	`leaderboard help me with my maps`
`18:28.09`	`Demonette`	`I am zerg....`
`18:28.48`	`Demonette`	`Tobin the damage reduction is done by an behaviour`
`18:29.02`	`Tobin`	`I'm looking at the behavior, but don`
`18:29.08`	`Tobin`	`don't see whats been changed.`
`18:29.20`	`Tobin`	`been lookingn at it for like 5 minutes now...`
`18:29.58`	`Tobin`	`(@ the behavior i mean)`
`18:30.00`	`Demonette`	`there is something about damage handling there...`
`18:30.26`	`Demonette`	`just search for a field that has the value 10 XD`
`18:31.15`	`Tobin`	`Ahh I found it, Thanks.`
`18:31.23`	`Demonette`	`^^`
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`18:50.43`	`QueenGambit_`	`?`
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`18:55.20`	`Tobin`	`I have another question about behaviors, How do i make it passive (always on)?`
`18:56.15`	`Tobin`	`Make the duration -1.0 ?`
`18:56.41`	`Tobin`	`demonette`
`18:56.46`	`Demonette`	`lol...`
`18:56.52`	`Demonette`	`yeah duration -1`
`18:57.01`	`Demonette`	`or was it 0?`
`18:57.05`	`Demonette`	`not sure about it at the moment`
`18:57.11`	`Demonette`	`but something similar to this`
`18:57.28`	`Tobin`	`Well its on 0 and not working so i guess its -1. Thanks again man.`
`18:58.43`	`Demonette`	`Drone Melee lvl 0 icon online =D`
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`19:06.01`	`Tobin`	`Ok, i have maximum / minimum damage set to 1, enabled all damage types, put the behavior on unit, tried -1 duration and -2 duration.. Chance =1 for behavior... What am i doing wrong`
`19:06.24`	`Tobin`	`tried -1 and 0 duration*`
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`19:08.07`	`Demonette`	`Mmhh... isn't it working on the immortal as well the whole time?`
`19:08.18`	`Demonette`	`it should stay there the whole time as well`
`19:08.32`	`Demonette`	`and... maybe another issue could be that your unit.. has no shield?`
`19:08.35`	`Tobin`	`Actually i made a brand new behavior, then added it to nexus`
`19:12.46`	`Tobin`	`Data Editor is such a bitch.`
`19:14.13`	`Demonette`	`Data is cool!`
`19:14.19`	`Demonette`	`don't say something against data`
`19:14.34`	`Tobin`	`lol`
`19:14.50`	`Demonette`	`i'm only sad that i can't make new ressources with data... and i can't make energy wireframes... what would be kind a cool`
`19:17.10`	`Tobin`	`Well nothing is as easy for me to give up on as the data editor. Screw it, i'll just have lives...`
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`19:23.54`	`TheSkunk_`	`Hello`
`19:24.19`	`TheSkunk_`	`Does anyone know to find out what trigger cuased this message: [2/20/2011 2:22:00 PM] Warning: Invalid trigger element reference removed from Function Call 'If Then Else' (Function Call, 794192D0, Lib: 0)`
`19:25.39`	`TheSkunk_`	`None of them are disabled or anything..`
`19:25.43`	`TheSkunk_`	`Anyone even here?`
`19:27.59`	`Tobin`	`Im here`
`19:28.10`	`Tobin`	`What is your trigger doing?`
`19:28.33`	`QueenGambit_`	`Flys down, wings retracted`
`19:28.35`	`QueenGambit_`	`I am here too`
`19:29.29`	`Leaderboard`	`How do we make our map reach the top of the custom games ? oO`
`19:29.36`	`Leaderboard`	`Must I really play 10 000 hours on it ?`
`19:29.41`	`Leaderboard`	`srs i fuck bnet`
`19:30.01`	`Tobin`	`Make a youtube video, get hosted on sc2 mapster.`
`19:30.33`	`Tobin`	`Not only do you have to spend countless hours making your map, you have to advertise it as well!`
`19:31.33`	`QueenGambit_`	`and guess what leaderboard, not everyone plays starcraft 2!`
`19:31.46`	`Leaderboard`	`lol`
`19:31.47`	`QueenGambit_`	`so your hard efforts won't effect the universe`
`19:31.56`	`Leaderboard`	`lol`
`19:32.24`	`TheSkunk_`	`I have many triggers`
`19:32.41`	`Tobin`	`+ Most players are unwilling to even try new games... Which is why the same games that were on top during beta are on top now....`
`19:32.42`	`TheSkunk_`	`asking what they do is besides the point when I don't know what one is cuasing the message`
`19:32.54`	`Tobin`	`Oh`
`19:33.07`	`Tobin`	`It should refer you to a specific one if your getting an error`
`19:33.11`	`TheSkunk_`	`Its in the message console`
`19:33.12`	`Tobin`	`can you give a screenshot?`
`19:33.20`	`TheSkunk_`	`not an error when I try and test or anything`
`19:33.26`	`TheSkunk_`	`and I copied everything it said`
`19:33.29`	`TheSkunk_`	`so idk`
`19:33.46`	`TheSkunk_`	`and its when I first open the trigger editor`
`19:33.53`	`TheSkunk_`	`didn't even do anything`
`19:34.23`	`Tobin`	`Hmm`
`19:34.28`	`TheSkunk_`	`lol`
`19:34.35`	`TheSkunk_`	`I make sloppy triggers`
`19:35.18`	`Tobin`	`The only time i've gotten errors like that is when i've linked something in a trigger that shouldn't (can't) be linked.`
`19:35.52`	`Tobin`	`Then when i try to save or test, it refers me to the problematic part of the script`
`19:35.53`	`TheSkunk_`	`hmm`
`19:36.12`	`TheSkunk_`	`possibly related to the ingame message telling me I can't use a negitive index then? xD`
`19:36.33`	`TheSkunk_`	`not sure why thats appearing either, but at least I know what triggers cuasing it`
`19:36.40`	`Tobin`	`IDK, i need a screen shot of the error and/or your trigger.`
`19:36.41`	`TheSkunk_`	`that trigger shouldn't even be running, though`
`19:36.56`	`TheSkunk_`	`yeah, if you think they're both related thats probably the best help I can get`
`19:39.26`	`Tobin`	`Wow a ton of people in here now, no one ever talks though.`
`19:42.28`	`TheSkunk_`	`pretty sure most people auto-connect via a program they use and don't know it`
`19:42.30`	`TheSkunk_`	`ie trillian`
`19:42.45`	`QueenGambit_`	`they idle ;)`
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`19:46.24`	`Demonette`	`idle idle!`
`19:46.44`	`Demonette`	`)/`
`19:46.46`	`Demonette`	`=/`
`19:46.49`	`Demonette`	`thats not fine...`
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`19:47.05`	`Demonette`	`idly sounds so wrong...`
`19:47.08`	`groentje`	`Hi`
`19:47.12`	`Demonette`	`Hi`
`19:47.22`	`Demonette`	`I'm just having a monolog`
`19:47.26`	`Demonette`	`how about u?`
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`19:49.45`	`groentje`	`whahaha`
`19:49.56`	`groentje`	`sorry contiu your monolog ;)`
`19:50.02`	`groentje`	`continue`
`19:51.35`	`groentje`	`What are you up for if i might ask ?`
`19:54.21`	`Demonette`	`I...`
`19:54.32`	`Demonette`	Uuuhh... could it be that i am`?...
`19:54.36`	`Demonette`	`Be or not.. to...`
`19:54.40`	`Demonette`	`Damn`
`19:54.41`	`Demonette`	`well`
`19:54.55`	`Demonette`	`i still want suggestions for the icons i do...`
`19:55.05`	`Demonette`	`and i was asking if there is a world idly...`
`19:55.32`	`Demonette`	`can someone be idly idle?`
`19:56.19`	`Demonette`	`if you don't know about which icons i'm talking you can take a look ofter there http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/art-assets/15975-the-spawning-cluster-icons-abilities-and-more-for-your/?post=47`
`19:56.28`	`Demonette`	`or.. http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/art-assets/15975-the-spawning-cluster-icons-abilities-and-more-for-your/#posts`
`19:56.36`	`Demonette`	`it's almost the same =)`
`19:56.43`	`Demonette`	`what else... mmmhh`
`19:56.54`	`groentje`	`it kinda sucks that there are no flashing light when you talk...`
`19:56.55`	`Demonette`	`yeah i think it would be great stuff to do some matches soon`
`19:57.05`	`groentje`	`it's like you'r wispering into the wind ;)`
`19:57.18`	`Demonette`	`winy wind? =)`
`19:57.48`	`Demonette`	`well i don't like to scream... so i better go with wispering around...`
`19:58.18`	`Demonette`	`and as people will ignore it anyways there is no need to put any effort in it`
`19:58.25`	`groentje`	`Ok, Well i like to talk to other ppl :p`
`19:58.46`	`groentje`	`btw awsome buttons!`
`19:59.17`	`Demonette`	`those are attack icons... not sure how often you click at the Gauss rifle icons of your marines...`
`19:59.30`	`Demonette`	`that you can start to call it a button... but thx anyway =)`
`20:00.30`	`Demonette`	`other people... are you sure here are other people around.... in THIS irc?`
`20:01.11`	`Demonette`	`But today is your lucky day i think... i will be gone about now =)`
`20:02.45`	`groentje`	`Yes i see those standard icons, but if i read you other posts well, you made some by you self right ? =)`
`20:03.10`	`groentje`	`well, you could also say it's art`
`20:03.32`	`groentje`	`i don't know about other people`
`20:05.05`	`Demonette`	`I made most by myself.. i only did 5 recolors for kheldrun =P`
`20:05.17`	`Demonette`	`the rest is done by myself yea`
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`20:07.52`	`groentje`	`Well i tryed once to draw on my computer, i draw like a 5 year old with fingerpaint`
`20:09.24`	`groentje`	`For what map do you make those pictures? because you probaly won't have a lot of spare time left to build ;)`
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`20:15.51`	`groentje`	`i'm off, good luck with you projects`
`20:17.18`	`Tobin`	`Thanks, btw drawing on the computer is nearly impossible without a tablet.`
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`20:53.02`	`MrOp`	`hello`
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`21:46.44`	`egod`	`Looking for multiplayer testing on Diablo:TheCurseOfTristram RPG, ((US))`
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`21:55.46`	`egod`	`Looking for multiplayer testing on Diablo:TheCurseOfTristram RPG, ((US))`
`21:55.54`	`QG`	`k invite me`
`21:55.57`	`QG`	`QueenGambit.227`
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`21:58.32`	`Tordy`	`sup`
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`22:00.25`	`QG`	`egod are you testing right now/`
`22:02.36`	`egod`	`i am`
`22:05.44`	`egod`	`come channel diablo`
`22:09.02`	`egod`	`come channel diablo ((US SERVER)) for Diablo RPG testing`
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`22:14.10`	`QG`	`k`
`22:15.15`	`Tordy`	`diablo`
`22:15.28`	`Tordy`	`egod you look like you know a lot about diablo`
`22:15.36`	`Tordy`	`what does fire wall and fire storm look like`
`22:20.32`	`Stragus`	`Google images?`
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`22:30.11`	`Tordy`	`nope`
`22:30.12`	`Tordy`	`dont work`
`22:30.46`	`Tordy`	`cant tell the different between fire wall and fire storm`
`22:30.50`	`Tordy`	`theys how the same thing`
`22:31.31`	`Tordy`	`hello Stragus`
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`22:48.44`	`Hati`	`gosh i hate how wikicreole always deforms C++ <.<`
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`22:56.48`	`QG`	`egod made a good rpg map. Hes trying to recreate diablo and add random stuff that doesn't match it`
`22:57.07`	`QG`	`I tried telling egod to just simply remove the diablo name and create a new storyline`
`22:57.24`	`ThunderLord`	`Humm, if i attach a Flat sphere (AKA scaled the Z to .001) to a unit shouldent it change to the same color as the unit? it is just 2 actors tied to one unit`
`23:07.05`	`Tordy`	`gawd`
`23:09.02`	`ThunderLord`	`If i have 2 actors tied to the same unit, how do i determine whitch one is the "Main Actor"`
`23:10.49`	`Hati`	`hmm the one whos creating the other ?`
`23:11.00`	`ThunderLord`	`?`
`23:11.07`	`Hati`	`let the mainactor call the child`
`23:11.17`	`Hati`	`instead of using 2 times the #unit# - tag ?`
`23:11.24`	`Hati`	`with UnitBirth`
`23:11.26`	`ThunderLord`	`hummm`
`23:11.27`	`ThunderLord`	`okay`
`23:11.29`	`ThunderLord`	`lemme try that`
`23:11.31`	`Hati`	`would be my idea`
`23:11.35`	`Hati`	`so you can build up a tree`
`23:11.42`	`Hati`	`otherwise it would be 50:50`
`23:14.27`	`Stragus`	`I'm not sure it's a good idea to put the name "Diablo" in a SC2 map anyhow`
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`23:23.06`	`DonKalypso`	`We'll be hearing that Blizz went after you next`
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`23:47.01`	`Tordy`	`hey Stragus`
`23:49.43`	`ThunderLord`	`it doesnt matter how i attach the 2nd actor to the first whenever a model swap event goes off it is the sphere actor that is changed`
`23:51.55`	`ThunderLord`	`the circle around the player's feet turns in to a 2D model of the new unit model`
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