| 00:00.51 | Icebane | fusion dance |
| 00:00.53 | Icebane | wtf? xD |
| 00:01.04 | JademusSreg | Icebane-Helral |
| 00:01.10 | Icebane | "Dear diary, today I learned a new word. Fusion dance." |
| 00:01.11 | JademusSreg | Iceral? |
| 00:01.17 | JademusSreg | Or Helbane? |
| 00:01.22 | Icebane | Is that somekind of intercourse? |
| 00:01.32 | JademusSreg | Partly. |
| 00:01.34 | Icebane | "Hey babe, wanna fusion dance? ;)" |
| 00:01.42 | JademusSreg | That was the subtext of its use. |
| 00:01.57 | JademusSreg | But it's actually some ridiculous shit from Dragon Ball Z. |
| 00:02.11 | JademusSreg | Search for it on youtube. |
| 00:02.13 | Icebane | are you serious?! xD *off to youtube, and beyond!* |
| 00:02.18 | JademusSreg | Tada! |
| 00:02.23 | JademusSreg | I am a prophet. |
| 00:02.56 | Xaragoth | No, you're not... |
| 00:03.01 | JademusSreg | For my next trick, I will wade into a low tide. |
| 00:03.08 | Xaragoth | You just proved that you actually remember that stupid shit |
| 00:03.11 | Xaragoth | Damn, now I did too. |
| 00:03.18 | JademusSreg | Oh shit, you're right. |
| 00:03.21 | JademusSreg | Ack, |
| 00:03.25 | Icebane | omg.. |
| 00:03.30 | Icebane | fusion dance was retarded xD |
| 00:04.08 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 00:04.27 | JademusSreg | I'd like to think Toriyama had nothing to do with it. |
| 00:04.44 | Icebane | HHAHAHAHA |
| 00:04.44 | Icebane | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjUQMir0-c8&feature=related |
| 00:05.15 | JademusSreg | Hah. Children are a constant disappointment. |
| 00:06.07 | Icebane | Haha, isn't everything a dissapointment? |
| 00:06.13 | Icebane | Since we're by nature so greed! |
| 00:06.16 | Icebane | greedy* |
| 00:06.49 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
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| 00:26.54 | Helral | meows |
| 00:29.17 | Oatin | Why are you meowing? |
| 00:29.36 | Helral | ~Helral |
| 00:29.36 | purl | rumour has it, helral is an evil ethereal random kitten who must not be let near laser pens. |
| 00:29.38 | Helral | meows |
| 00:30.25 | Oatin | laser pens... |
| 00:30.40 | Helral | where? |
| 00:33.08 | Oatin | not here :O |
| 00:33.20 | Helral | :( |
| 00:36.19 | Oatin | i wonder what he would do with a laser pen... |
| 00:36.33 | JademusSreg | Pew pew |
| 00:36.57 | Oatin | or are you talking about crazy kitttenz that chase red dots on the floor which are moving? |
| 00:36.57 | Oatin | :O |
| 00:37.12 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 00:37.18 | Oatin | thats.... frightening |
| 00:39.32 | Helral | meows |
| 00:39.33 | Helral | http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/laser_pointer.png |
| 00:42.20 | Helral | falls asleep |
| 00:44.59 | Stragus | Does anyone know how to apply a decal to a specific unit? Such as Colony Ships in the campaigns, one can modify the decal used in their properties if they are already placed on the map |
| 00:45.09 | Stragus | But I don't see how to achieve this with triggers/galaxy... |
| 00:45.15 | Skizot | you can't |
| 00:45.44 | Stragus | Are you sure about that? We can replace textures and do a lot of stuff |
| 00:46.04 | Skizot | burrito. |
| 00:46.17 | JademusSreg | In the campaign, I suspect it was the player's decal. |
| 00:47.15 | Stragus | JademuSreg, you can open the properties of the colony ships preplaced on the map and change the decal |
| 00:47.27 | JademusSreg | Ah, yes. |
| 00:47.30 | Stragus | First map on Agria, there are 5 colony ships with 5 different decals |
| 00:47.36 | JademusSreg | Neato. |
| 00:47.45 | Stragus | But I really wonder how to achieve that from triggers/galaxy, any idea? |
| 00:47.58 | JademusSreg | I'm going to guess Actor message. |
| 00:48.11 | Stragus | Would make sense, any idea which? :) |
| 00:48.12 | JademusSreg | I'm looking for confirmation in the data now. |
| 00:48.22 | Stragus | Nice, thanks |
| 00:51.40 | Stragus | From Objects file : <ObjectUnit ... > <Texture TexSlot="decal" TexProps="04" TexLink="Decal_Number_04"/> |
| 00:52.08 | Stragus | I guess I could try some kind of texture replace on that "decal" slot |
| 00:58.51 | Stragus | "Invalid actor msg" |
| 00:59.23 | Stragus | It's surely the correct approach, I just have no idea how to build the message |
| 01:00.13 | JademusSreg | Neither do I. I'm looking, though. |
| 01:11.02 | JademusSreg | No luck here. |
| 01:11.58 | Stragus | I really have no idea how that works |
| 01:12.20 | Stragus | Then again, I never tried replacing textures through actor messages either |
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| 01:13.05 | Stragus | Do you know of any map, campaign or otherwise, where a texture replacement is done through an actor message? |
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| 01:23.29 | Stragus | So far I managed to make the decal disappear... I'll let you know if I figure it out |
| 01:24.20 | Oatin | ist done in the dark protoss upgrade |
| 01:24.34 | Oatin | look at the berserker, there you can see the texture replacement |
| 01:24.36 | Oatin | or the nexus |
| 01:24.43 | Stragus | That's different, that's replacing the whole texture set by ID |
| 01:24.48 | Oatin | hm yes |
| 01:27.12 | JademusSreg | I had hoped Spartan Company's iron cross decal was set by acotr, but it's default is defined in the model. |
| 01:27.20 | JademusSreg | (Though it is replacable.) |
| 01:27.25 | JademusSreg | *actor |
| 01:29.10 | Stragus | Alternatively, I'm now trying to make this work with TextureSelectBySlot in actor events |
| 01:29.24 | Razernok | Can anyone make me a small model, just a white selection circle which I can tint? |
| 01:30.25 | Razernok | or not i guess |
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| 01:31.33 | JademusSreg | Hi Sixen. |
| 01:31.38 | Sixen | ohai Jade |
| 01:31.43 | JademusSreg | =D |
| 01:31.46 | Sixen | =] |
| 01:31.53 | JademusSreg | What are the haps? |
| 01:35.30 | Razernok | I guess this just isn't gonna work |
| 01:35.55 | Skizot | not you again. |
| 01:36.20 | Razernok | if anyone wants to look at it, I'll send my test map for it. |
| 01:37.14 | JademusSreg | ? |
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| 01:38.44 | Stragus | That's funny. Trying things, I'm getting random new decals on top of the colonist ship, and I have no idea how it manages to pick that decal |
| 01:39.38 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 01:39.50 | JademusSreg | What produced the result? |
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| 01:40.25 | Stragus | A combination of TextureSelectBySlot and TextureSelectByMatch in the actor events |
| 01:40.36 | Stragus | But I'm not specifying any path, or any texture/image names. And I get new decals |
| 01:41.14 | JademusSreg | Weird. |
| 01:41.46 | Razernok | :( |
| 01:41.55 | Razernok | as i figured, no one |
| 01:42.17 | JademusSreg | For what do you need a custom model? |
| 01:42.55 | Skizot | ban yourself Razernok |
| 01:43.07 | Stragus | This is amazing, the decal is random every time the map is run! |
| 01:43.08 | Razernok | to see if it works with a selection model that can be tinted instead of the Selection actor |
| 01:43.31 | JademusSreg | Pretty cool, Stragus. |
| 01:44.00 | Stragus | Yes well, this is not what I wanted, it defies logic |
| 01:44.00 | Razernok | the selection actor won't let me tint it or hide it using filters |
| 01:45.06 | Skizot | IT. CAN. NOT. BE. DONE. |
| 01:45.21 | Skizot | now stop being all emo about it. |
| 01:45.44 | JademusSreg | I'd suggest making friends with a modeller. |
| 01:46.16 | Skizot | he wants an attachment to a unit that can ONLY be seen by the casting palyer. |
| 01:46.41 | Razernok | without a working selection system players will not know what they have selected |
| 01:46.53 | Stragus | Skizot is right, that can't be done. The only way I would see would be to create a non-colliding invisible unit right on top of the target unit, and attach stuff to that |
| 01:50.36 | Stragus | Jade, my erroneous combination of TextureSelect* events was making the engine pick a totally random decal. Adding SelectById lets me pick the actual decal |
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| 01:50.44 | onetwo | wtf on freenode's jpeg scrambler |
| 01:50.57 | onetwo | how can i type Würzburg |
| 01:51.06 | onetwo | wihtout going to google and finding the german spelling |
| 01:51.13 | onetwo | since my keyboard is US |
| 01:51.52 | Stragus | Neat :) |
| 01:53.03 | Razernok | wish i could do it without a custom model. :( sadly GroundLocalSelection ignores actor filter and can't be tinted. |
| 01:54.03 | Stragus | Does it even solve the real problem, that you can't attach an actor to an unit and want both to belong to different players? |
| 01:54.06 | Razernok | without the model, i can't even try it to see if it will work |
| 01:54.27 | Razernok | actually Stragus, with a model it works |
| 01:54.28 | JademusSreg | Nice, Stragus. |
| 01:54.41 | Razernok | with selection actor it didn't |
| 01:54.49 | JademusSreg | Can you give me a CnP of the trigger? |
| 01:55.10 | JademusSreg | Or the actor messages at least. |
| 01:55.21 | JademusSreg | It really ought to be recorded. |
| 01:55.52 | Razernok | Will I receive help then? |
| 01:55.53 | Stragus | Jade, it's presently just an actor event, let me try to make a working trigger from that. If nothing else, I'll add hidden behaviors to trigger events changing the decal |
| 01:56.35 | Stragus | hidden behaviors to run events, to avoid the confusing choice of words |
| 01:57.06 | JademusSreg | In any case, hopefully it can be distilled to a line or two of galaxy. |
| 02:00.41 | Razernok | i guess not then |
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| 02:01.48 | JademusSreg | If you cannot get someone to help you, change how you do it. |
| 02:02.14 | Stragus | Jade, finally it was just : ActorSend( actor, "TextureSelectById Decal_Number_04" ); |
| 02:02.28 | Stragus | Where the Decal_Number_04 comes from, I'm not too sure really |
| 02:02.36 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 02:02.55 | JademusSreg | Perhaps it is hardcoded. |
| 02:02.59 | JademusSreg | That would be lame. |
| 02:03.22 | Stragus | There must be something named Decal_Number_O4 that points to the correct .dds file |
| 02:03.40 | Reactorex | onetwo: Depends on your OS! |
| 02:03.48 | Stragus | Let me grep the XML files quickly... |
| 02:03.54 | JademusSreg | Razernok, making your designs rely soley on the contribution of others is bad design; either work around it for the time being, or work around it. |
| 02:04.00 | onetwo | wtf like 10 mins after i logion |
| 02:04.02 | onetwo | login |
| 02:04.03 | onetwo | so slow haha |
| 02:04.08 | Razernok | I've tried other ways |
| 02:04.09 | Reactorex | I just got back XD |
| 02:04.14 | Razernok | to solve this |
| 02:04.30 | Razernok | isn't working |
| 02:04.39 | Razernok | unless you wish to try |
| 02:04.50 | Razernok | or know how to get it working |
| 02:04.58 | Stragus | Jade, no such thing as Decal_Number_O4 in any core or campaign XML files. It may be hardcoded after all |
| 02:05.26 | JademusSreg | I wonder if it might be in a string file. |
| 02:05.38 | JademusSreg | So the name, however localized, points to the same path. |
| 02:05.44 | JademusSreg | Sounds unlikely, though. |
| 02:05.50 | Stragus | Unlikely yes, IDs usually aren't found in string files... |
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| 02:08.29 | QueenGambit | backward? |
| 02:09.01 | EonShiKeno_ | Sweet just found out sc2mapster had an irc :) |
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| 02:09.04 | JademusSreg | Draw Kcab? |
| 02:09.08 | Backward_Z | j0? |
| 02:09.10 | QueenGambit | damnit c |
| 02:09.23 | QueenGambit | Sixen doesn't understand that many sc2mapster members don't even know we have a irc |
| 02:09.35 | QueenGambit | "sorry queen, theres already a link on the front page" |
| 02:09.36 | JademusSreg | It's for the best. |
| 02:09.38 | QueenGambit | but its broken! |
| 02:09.53 | QueenGambit | anyway |
| 02:10.05 | QueenGambit | i get wat your saying with the link part, backward |
| 02:10.14 | Backward_Z | Make it a text post |
| 02:10.19 | Backward_Z | you don't care about karma |
| 02:11.01 | JademusSreg | You need one more 5 syllable line. |
| 02:11.04 | Backward_Z | and under the text (optional) field, there's a little link that says "formatting help" |
| 02:11.05 | Backward_Z | click that |
| 02:11.12 | EonShiKeno_ | I have been scowering the forums for 2 weeks, just found it on accident ;) |
| 02:12.06 | JademusSreg | " Make it a text post / You don't care about karma / Contribute knowledge" |
| 02:13.05 | Backward_Z | I'm suggesting you detail your credentials so that people firstly have more pause to question them but also so people know how to frame their questions. |
| 02:13.23 | QueenGambit | hey backward_Z, i created a private chat |
| 02:13.31 | QueenGambit | click up top on my name |
| 02:13.38 | Backward_Z | If you just say you're working on SU, people will be like, "But you're not that Ryan Whatshisname guy who went to Blizzard and all that! You're a faker! A phoney!" |
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| 02:15.44 | Shawn|Rawr | Backward_Z: What |
| 02:15.46 | Shawn|Rawr | ? |
| 02:16.36 | Shawn|Rawr | I'm working on SU and I've never had anyone doubt it |
| 02:16.42 | Shawn|Rawr | :s |
| 02:18.46 | Backward_Z | yeah but she's talking about throwing her credentials to the dogs |
| 02:19.01 | Backward_Z | reddit's just a shade more developed/evolved than 4chan |
| 02:19.12 | Backward_Z | say, at its worst |
| 02:22.17 | EonShiKeno_ | So is this a safe place to ask questions about the galaxy editor? |
| 02:23.33 | Stragus | Eon, what do you think? ;) |
| 02:23.35 | Razernok | anyone know of a way to make a unit unable to be clicked only by the owner of said unit? |
| 02:24.03 | EonShiKeno_ | Stragus I just making sure :) |
| 02:24.56 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 02:25.06 | EonShiKeno_ | I have this map, there is a white half dome "thing" on my map. I cant figure out how to delete it. I have set it in dodad mode and highlighted the area then tried to remove it. No luck. |
| 02:25.10 | Stragus | Raz, I think you are really trying to do things the whole SC2 engine wasn't meant to |
| 02:25.20 | EonShiKeno_ | It only shows up once I load the map. it doesnt show up in the editor from what I see. |
| 02:25.35 | Icebane | now I'm off to bed |
| 02:25.35 | Icebane | gn! |
| 02:25.50 | Stragus | Eon, that's an unit or actor with an undefined model |
| 02:26.12 | EonShiKeno_ | I also set it in unit mode, highlighted the area hit delete. |
| 02:26.13 | Stragus | If it doesn't appear in the editor, it could be created when loading the map through events/triggers? |
| 02:26.26 | EonShiKeno_ | No triggers create anything besides a camera. |
| 02:26.27 | JademusSreg | It's a sphere. |
| 02:26.50 | JademusSreg | Probably a model with a bad path. |
| 02:26.53 | Stragus | The white half dome is a visible indicator that an actor exists yet doesn't have a model |
| 02:27.00 | JademusSreg | Yah. |
| 02:27.43 | EonShiKeno_ | I kinda guessed, that. Just surprised it shows up in game yet not in the editor. |
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| 02:28.07 | EonShiKeno_ | It's in the area where I put a lot of tree's rocks etc. |
| 02:28.51 | Stragus | Make a backup of your map. If you delete everything in that area, does it still show up? |
| 02:29.19 | EonShiKeno_ | Trying that right now. |
| 02:30.06 | EonShiKeno_ | Ha, well it's gone now! |
| 02:30.20 | EonShiKeno_ | It was such an eye sore, in the middle of my nice forest |
| 02:31.15 | Stragus | Hum :). Well, looks like we won't ever know what it actually was |
| 02:32.02 | EonShiKeno_ | It must of been a unit, it showed up on the mini map as a red dot |
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| 02:32.39 | EonShiKeno_ | There are many units that I have seen in game, but can't find in the editor what's up with that? |
| 02:32.51 | Stragus | You add to add the campaign dependencies |
| 02:32.54 | Stragus | You need* to add |
| 02:33.03 | Stragus | File -> Dependencies |
| 02:33.03 | EonShiKeno_ | Hmm ok |
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| 02:33.38 | EonShiKeno_ | Then click on Liberty (Mod) |
| 02:33.41 | EonShiKeno_ | then ok? |
| 02:34.27 | Stragus | You can add everything |
| 02:34.29 | EonShiKeno_ | Oh i see |
| 02:34.47 | EonShiKeno_ | Man, why isnt that on by defualt |
| 02:34.49 | EonShiKeno_ | Thanks |
| 02:37.03 | EonShiKeno_ | I have seen some machimina with very high detail models used it them. I guess all that stuff is custom. Looks as good as the generated cinimatics. |
| 02:37.27 | JademusSreg | SC2 has a lot of set pieces. |
| 02:37.46 | JademusSreg | With high res textures and high poly models. |
| 02:37.56 | JademusSreg | Ripe for machinima. |
| 02:38.38 | EonShiKeno_ | Really, so that stuff is built in? |
| 02:39.16 | EonShiKeno_ | I guess there are seperate dependancies I need to add so I can get access to it? |
| 02:40.56 | Shawn|Rawr | It's in the campaign dependencies |
| 02:41.08 | Shawn|Rawr | Lots of SS_ things and SM_ things i think |
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| 02:42.40 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 02:42.45 | JademusSreg | As Shawn said. |
| 02:43.46 | onetwo | http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/about/b20/videos.html |
| 02:44.03 | EonShiKeno_ | I see now, all the SS_ stuff. Very nice |
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| 02:48.40 | Oatin | Damn |
| 02:49.01 | Oatin | does anybody know where i can find the unit or effect sounds in the starcraft2-folder? |
| 02:49.06 | Oatin | the mpq-file |
| 02:49.23 | JademusSreg | Assets. |
| 02:49.27 | Oatin | if have found the special campaign sounds but not the normal ones |
| 02:49.52 | JademusSreg | I'm guessing Core or Liberty (not multi). |
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| 02:50.26 | onetwo | the voices are in a weird different place |
| 02:50.28 | Oatin | and where is it? |
| 02:50.29 | onetwo | than the standard sounds |
| 02:50.31 | onetwo | i forget though |
| 02:50.32 | Oatin | not the voices |
| 02:50.37 | Oatin | im looking for like |
| 02:50.39 | onetwo | why dont you just go in the editor |
| 02:50.40 | Oatin | the dying sound of the protoss beacon |
| 02:50.42 | onetwo | and export it through data edtior |
| 02:50.45 | onetwo | that way you can search |
| 02:50.46 | onetwo | too |
| 02:52.00 | Oatin | huh indeed, never thought about that |
| 02:52.01 | Oatin | nice |
| 02:52.09 | Oatin | that they implemented that |
| 02:52.50 | onetwo | yeah |
| 02:52.56 | onetwo | bad part is you gotta start the hulking editor |
| 02:52.59 | onetwo | good part is its easier to find stuff |
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| 02:55.43 | Oatin | start the hulking editor? oO |
| 02:57.18 | avogatro | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/galaxy-scripting-and-trigger-lib/18046-theory-scripting-fps-engine-open-source/?page=3#p47 |
| 02:57.27 | Technomancer | editor is broken... |
| 02:57.43 | avogatro | guys need talk about galaxy scripting |
| 02:57.43 | Technomancer | Im about to put my fist thru the laptop screen |
| 02:58.15 | avogatro | it is not broken for me |
| 02:58.36 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 02:58.50 | Kueken | fist through screen is usually a good idea |
| 02:59.29 | JademusSreg | How is the editor broken? |
| 02:59.33 | Kueken | vents aggression and prevents any addiction |
| 02:59.37 | JademusSreg | Besides the footprint editor, of course. |
| 02:59.57 | Technomancer | its the import module |
| 03:00.15 | Kueken | tip: |
| 03:00.23 | Technomancer | trying to import a specific texture for the emissive layer and it keeps turning up black |
| 03:00.24 | Kueken | save after each change |
| 03:00.29 | Technomancer | oh no no its not the saving issue |
| 03:00.47 | Technomancer | I took the dds file directly out the MPQ, and tried to import in a completely fresh map, same issue |
| 03:00.52 | Kueken | had quite some issues with that ^^ |
| 03:00.54 | JademusSreg | Path, typo |
| 03:00.55 | Technomancer | and im like... wtf |
| 03:01.03 | Technomancer | this hasnt happened for me before |
| 03:01.08 | Technomancer | and no other texture has this problem |
| 03:01.33 | Kueken | so the texture is broken somehow? |
| 03:03.20 | Technomancer | uhh idk. this is a default unedited version I tested it with. because originally i was tryin to bring in a custom, so i thought I did something wrong initially, but in troubleshooting, I tried the unedited default, and I reconfirmed this by going in AGAIN and grabbing it str8 out the mpq |
| 03:03.26 | Technomancer | it really is the file itself |
| 03:04.40 | Technomancer | so its not something I did due to incompetence. and if this is an isolated incident and something wrong with my editor or whatever, idk wtf it is |
| 03:06.09 | Technomancer | well |
| 03:06.20 | Technomancer | I just copy'pasted it to a new PS file and saved it out... it works apparently :S |
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| 03:33.33 | Technomancer | I have not stopped laughing http://www.buzzfeed.com/awesomer/woman-casually-snacks-on-her-own-poop |
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| 04:06.32 | QueenGambit | Vexal: queengambit, you're a hypocrit. hypocrite* Vexal: dumb !@#$%. |
| 04:06.44 | QueenGambit | THANK YOU? |
| 04:07.09 | avogatro | wtf |
| 04:07.20 | QueenGambit | i have no idea whats going on |
| 04:07.41 | QueenGambit | like couple minutes ago he god mad |
| 04:07.46 | QueenGambit | then now he says that |
| 04:08.01 | QueenGambit | its like his hatred boiled and stirred in his mind and exploded |
| 04:08.20 | avogatro | anyone from eu there? |
| 04:08.39 | avogatro | need a multiplayer test before i sleep |
| 04:12.33 | Tordy | awesome |
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| 04:35.37 | Technomancer | can one change the lighting in a map? |
| 04:42.14 | Stragus | Of course |
| 04:42.28 | Stragus | Create yourself a new light, set the tileset to use that light by default or use a trigger to set that light |
| 04:42.44 | Stragus | You can even create multiple lights and interpolate between them in triggers |
| 04:43.13 | Stragus | Actually... Last time I checked, the light editor was *really* buggy. I wrote my lights in the XML files directly |
| 04:43.14 | avogatro | http://wiki.sc2mapster.com/galaxy/lighting/ |
| 04:43.32 | avogatro | how buggy? |
| 04:43.52 | Stragus | Some values don't stay, you modify one light and another receives the changes |
| 04:43.54 | Stragus | It's terrible |
| 04:45.08 | avogatro | ok |
| 05:00.17 | QueenGambit | plz help upvote! |
| 05:00.17 | QueenGambit | http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/fj6yz/ama_im_the_community_manager_for_starcraft/?sort=new |
| 05:00.23 | QueenGambit | and its my 1st reddit post |
| 05:00.55 | QueenGambit | brb |
| 05:02.39 | Razernok | ok, I give up on this selection thing |
| 05:02.51 | Razernok | :( |
| 05:03.02 | EonShiKeno_ | upvoted :) |
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| 05:04.45 | Stragus | Raz, find another way, work within the limits of the SC2 engine |
| 05:09.21 | Razernok | i've tried |
| 05:09.25 | Razernok | nothing works |
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| 05:10.54 | Razernok | I'll just have to make it where players just won't know what unit they have targeted |
| 05:11.45 | Razernok | sadly |
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| 05:12.11 | Stragus | Right. I mean find another way to make your map interesting, don't try to do things impossible under the SC2 engine |
| 05:12.28 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 05:13.04 | Fukle | Anyone here able to help me with a small problem with the importer? |
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| 05:14.03 | Razernok | Well I have no way to make a unit appear selected to a player |
| 05:14.16 | Razernok | so players just won't know |
| 05:14.24 | JademusSreg | Hide it. =P |
| 05:14.31 | Stragus | Fukle, ask, don't ask to ask |
| 05:14.55 | JademusSreg | UnitSetProperty( u, c_unitPropertyHidden); |
| 05:14.59 | Fukle | Fair enough, well when ever I import these two .dds files my sc2 editor crashes. |
| 05:15.14 | JademusSreg | From memory. And I'm drunk. |
| 05:15.30 | Stragus | Ouch. That happens even in a plain new map? |
| 05:15.41 | JademusSreg | UnitSetProperty( u, c_unitPropertyHidden, true); |
| 05:15.44 | Fukle | Yeah. |
| 05:15.45 | Stragus | I imported several dds files without problems |
| 05:15.48 | JademusSreg | I forgot the bool. |
| 05:15.57 | Fukle | I have created a new map 3 times. |
| 05:16.20 | Fukle | Sometime it will take maybe a minute but it will always crash. |
| 05:16.28 | Stragus | If you can import other stuff, I guess it really must not like your dds files |
| 05:16.38 | Stragus | Try a different image edition program? |
| 05:16.44 | Fukle | Okay. |
| 05:16.48 | Fukle | I'll try brb. |
| 05:16.53 | Fukle | And yeah I could import png fine. |
| 05:17.37 | Razernok | sighs |
| 05:20.26 | JademusSreg | What program are you using? |
| 05:20.38 | Fukle | Paint.net |
| 05:21.30 | JademusSreg | I'm not familiar with it. |
| 05:21.49 | Fukle | Alright, want me to upload the images somewhere to see if you get the same error? |
| 05:22.14 | JademusSreg | I'm kind of drink |
| 05:22.17 | JademusSreg | I mean drunk. |
| 05:22.23 | Fukle | Okay, lol. |
| 05:22.46 | JademusSreg | I'll bee more helpful tomorrow. |
| 05:22.49 | JademusSreg | Promise. |
| 05:22.54 | Fukle | Lol alright. |
| 05:23.13 | Fukle | What is a good editing program that supports .dds |
| 05:24.43 | JademusSreg | Photoshop with nVidia's shitty dds plugin. |
| 05:25.16 | Fukle | Ah, thanks. I don't really want to buy photoshop though. :) |
| 05:25.26 | JademusSreg | It's only compatible with 32-bit, but fortunately photoshop installs both version on a 64-bit OS. |
| 05:25.45 | Stragus | Gimp is not "good", but it's free and works with a separate dds plug-in you have to install |
| 05:26.01 | Fukle | Alright i'll try gimp. |
| 05:26.04 | Fukle | Thanks. |
| 05:26.24 | Stragus | Technically, Gimp is not a bad program. The graphical interface is atrocious |
| 05:26.55 | Fukle | Ah alright, hopefully I can understand it. |
| 05:33.53 | Tordy | any reason why starcode doesnt work when i put it in the mapscript |
| 05:33.56 | Tordy | or no idea |
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| 05:35.44 | Fukle | That's strange, I downloaded gimp. Installed the plugin and converted my old png files to dds through gimp. Now I am getting a new error (Not crashing): [2/11/2011 4:34:08 PM] Warning: Unable to load image from 'C:\Users\****\AppData\Local\Temp\StarCraftIITemp\Import/Untitled0\Healthbar Bar.dds' (Core: invalid or unexpected object format) |
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| 05:39.07 | Stragus | Fuke, you installed the dds plug-in for Gimp, right? |
| 05:39.28 | Stragus | By default, it doesn't do DDS. I'm just making sure these files really are DDS. |
| 05:39.44 | Fukle | Well I am certain I installed them. |
| 05:40.08 | Fukle | I unzipped the file I got from http://code.google.com/p/gimp-dds/ into gimps plug-in folder |
| 05:40.29 | Stragus | If you open the .dds file with a text/hex editor, it begins with the letters "DDS" right? |
| 05:40.40 | Fukle | ill try |
| 05:41.03 | Fukle | DDS | NUL NUL NUL... |
| 05:41.17 | Fukle | So yeah, for both. |
| 05:42.24 | Stragus | I used Gimp to save my files to DDS and it worked perfectly |
| 05:42.30 | Fukle | hmm |
| 05:42.35 | Fukle | What plugin do you use? |
| 05:43.49 | Stragus | I believe it's the same plugin as you |
| 05:43.59 | Fukle | Alright. |
| 05:44.12 | Fukle | Let me try something, I have found another guide on installing plugins. |
| 05:44.17 | Fukle | It says a different location. |
| 05:45.01 | Fukle | Okay testing now. |
| 05:47.40 | Fukle | Yeah it's working now. |
| 05:47.48 | Stragus | Woah :). Okay, that was weird |
| 05:47.50 | Fukle | Thanks Stragus. |
| 05:47.55 | Fukle | Yeah I know. |
| 05:49.04 | Technomancer | For those who havent seen http://www.buzzfeed.com/awesomer/woman-casually-snacks-on-her-own-poop |
| 05:51.01 | Fukle | Yum. |
| 05:51.45 | Technomancer | must be good for her to be so totally into it |
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| 05:53.23 | Fukle | Ahaha yeah. |
| 05:54.05 | Technomancer | I have to wonder what kinda meeting this was taken at. was it a special persons thing? had to be, damn |
| 05:54.33 | Fukle | Lol, I dunno I heard "Action!" I assumed it's a play of some sort. |
| 05:55.03 | Fukle | Anyone know where I can find my imported images through triggers? |
| 05:55.27 | Technomancer | triggers? uhh you know there is a map I might have that provides the example |
| 05:55.37 | Technomancer | or idk |
| 05:55.40 | Fukle | Yeah. |
| 05:55.48 | Fukle | I imported two images and want to use them in triggers. |
| 05:55.58 | Fukle | Just wondering what they would be under. |
| 05:55.59 | Technomancer | there is one for download tho, at least I got it |
| 05:56.12 | Technomancer | its a TD that has it for the boss announcements |
| 05:56.28 | Technomancer | I am sure theres something on the forum regarding that u can dl thats got it, look aroudnn |
| 05:56.40 | Technomancer | its got the super carrier level, cant recall what its called... |
| 05:56.47 | Fukle | Okay thanks. |
| 05:56.48 | Technomancer | it is possible tho |
| 05:56.59 | Fukle | Cool. |
| 05:57.07 | Technomancer | im a model/texture/data module guy, really not a triggers expert >.< |
| 05:57.40 | Fukle | Ah alrighty. |
| 05:57.48 | onetwo | imported images? |
| 05:58.02 | onetwo | hmm ive never actually used on in triggers |
| 05:58.05 | onetwo | but they show up in data right away |
| 05:58.09 | Fukle | Ah. |
| 05:58.11 | onetwo | needs to be TGA or DDS |
| 05:58.17 | Fukle | I'll try saving and restarting. |
| 05:58.17 | onetwo | then import it in import manager |
| 05:58.19 | Fukle | Yeah they are dds. |
| 05:58.21 | onetwo | k |
| 06:00.25 | onetwo | brb |
| 06:00.37 | Fukle | Okay, they are here. |
| 06:00.41 | Fukle | Guess I just needed to restart it. |
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| 06:02.34 | Fukle | Also for some reason, when ever I save a map and restart my editor then reopen the map. I always get three of each catagory in the trigger editor; ex. "Dialog |nDialog |nDialog |nGame |nGame |nGame" (|n is supposed to represent a new line.) |
| 06:04.12 | Stragus | Three of each category? What categories? |
| 06:04.15 | EonShiKeno_ | Does anyone know a tutorial, on how to export the skins of a marine then edit and import back into sc2? |
| 06:04.23 | Stragus | You mean directories in trigger editor? |
| 06:07.50 | JademusSreg | Textures are easy, mate. Files in the map shouuld have priotiyu. |
| 06:07.53 | JademusSreg | *priority |
| 06:08.36 | EonShiKeno_ | Walking is easy too, but you still have to learn it first :) |
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| 06:10.22 | Fukle | back |
| 06:10.31 | Fukle | Stagus, I think that's what I mean. |
| 06:10.39 | Fukle | Stragus* |
| 06:11.01 | Fukle | Like when you go to make a new action. |
| 06:11.12 | Fukle | On the left hand side there are all the catagories. |
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| 06:14.22 | MrOp | hello |
| 06:22.36 | MrOp | does anyone know how i access the models from the new map i have them imported but i dont see them |
| 06:22.54 | MrOp | like left to die etc etc |
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| 06:23.21 | onetwo | hAHAH Sixen |
| 06:23.26 | onetwo | just watching this weeks shore |
| 06:23.31 | onetwo | oh my god this is funny |
| 06:23.32 | MrOp | Oo |
| 06:23.46 | onetwo | always about those 2 kids fighting |
| 06:23.53 | MrOp | what funny |
| 06:23.55 | onetwo | so funny watching MVP trying to restrain them |
| 06:23.56 | Sixen | fucking greaaaaaat |
| 06:23.57 | MrOp | s* |
| 06:24.06 | onetwo | i missed it at 7pm |
| 06:24.12 | onetwo | so watching it now |
| 06:24.21 | onetwo | mtv canada replays at 10pacific |
| 06:24.21 | onetwo | lol |
| 06:24.58 | onetwo | its so funny cause we used to have neighbours on our street that are exactly like ron & sam |
| 06:25.02 | onetwo | except swearing at eachother outside |
| 06:25.08 | onetwo | fighting all the time |
| 06:25.54 | MrOp | so does anyone know how to access the new blizaard models |
| 06:25.55 | Sixen | looooooooooooooooooooooooooool |
| 06:26.00 | MrOp | or can you lead me to a tut |
| 06:26.03 | MrOp | please |
| 06:26.15 | MrOp | i have the mod imported |
| 06:26.24 | MrOp | for all the new maps |
| 06:30.52 | onetwo | dont know havent even played em |
| 06:30.53 | onetwo | im out of touch |
| 06:31.57 | MrOp | i am just trying to get to the models |
| 06:32.04 | MrOp | to look at all of them |
| 06:32.12 | onetwo | LOL Sixen |
| 06:32.19 | onetwo | "now thats a situation' |
| 06:32.24 | onetwo | when mike sees sammi yelling for hot guys |
| 06:32.24 | MrOp | isnt that the point of importing the mod files |
| 06:32.28 | onetwo | hahaha |
| 06:32.29 | Sixen | you're a few mins ahead of me |
| 06:32.35 | Sixen | they're trying to get the bed out the door and it dont fit |
| 06:32.40 | onetwo | hahaha |
| 06:32.41 | onetwo | oh |
| 06:32.43 | onetwo | youll see in a sec |
| 06:34.37 | Sixen | oh lawd |
| 06:40.42 | Razernok | anyone know how they made this extra ability bar? |
| 06:41.46 | Razernok | http://static.curseforge.net/thumbman/attachments/12/645/180x118/Example.JPG.-m1.png |
| 06:43.30 | JademusSreg | Looks like a dialog. |
| 06:44.23 | JademusSreg | Also who the fuck is "ron & sam"? |
| 06:44.29 | Sixen | Jersey Shore! |
| 06:44.37 | JademusSreg | What the fuck? |
| 06:44.52 | Sixen | You'll probably lose respect for me, so don't look it up |
| 06:45.13 | JademusSreg | Slright Im drunk and am not especially conernced. |
| 06:45.17 | Sixen | lol |
| 06:46.59 | Razernok | from what the guy said is that its a normal ability button like those in the command card |
| 06:47.00 | JademusSreg | My only regenrt is that I only bought a case of winer |
| 06:47.08 | onetwo | yeah guys |
| 06:47.14 | onetwo | the top editors and people who run sc2mapster |
| 06:47.18 | onetwo | watch jersey shore |
| 06:47.19 | onetwo | lol |
| 06:47.30 | JademusSreg | Perhapsd it is a dialog template thing. |
| 06:47.38 | onetwo | Razernok what map is that from |
| 06:47.45 | onetwo | looks like smallest pic ive ever seen |
| 06:47.45 | Razernok | doesn't say |
| 06:47.56 | onetwo | well it looks like definitely dialogs |
| 06:48.00 | Razernok | it was a image from http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/triggers/17986-spells-with-dialogs/ |
| 06:48.01 | onetwo | but ill tell you know |
| 06:48.12 | onetwo | the inventory from BLIZZ DOTA is actually hardcoded in |
| 06:48.15 | onetwo | not dialogs or even their own system |
| 06:48.24 | onetwo | and we may get some new stuff in the future |
| 06:48.43 | onetwo | i think we can all agree the inventory UI built in is rather weak |
| 06:48.49 | onetwo | and dialogs is too hard to make custom UI |
| 06:48.51 | onetwo | with targeting and shit |
| 06:49.29 | Razernok | i still wonder what the character sheet ui will be used for |
| 06:49.34 | onetwo | hmm |
| 06:49.41 | onetwo | isnt from single player |
| 06:49.42 | onetwo | for something |
| 06:49.43 | onetwo | i dont know |
| 06:50.01 | JademusSreg | I thought the chinese did a lot of tests with those. |
| 06:50.03 | Razernok | atm the show character sheet button does nothing |
| 06:51.04 | Sixen | oh lewd |
| 06:51.06 | Sixen | she's gonna leave |
| 06:51.19 | onetwo | lol |
| 06:51.26 | onetwo | finally, then i can get back to watching tshirt time |
| 06:51.31 | onetwo | and mvp antics |
| 06:51.33 | onetwo | tired of those 2 fighting |
| 06:52.00 | Sixen | lol |
| 06:59.28 | Sixen | holy balls she did it |
| 07:00.11 | MrOp | what are you guys watching |
| 07:00.13 | Technomancer | who is she? |
| 07:00.16 | Sixen | jersey shore |
| 07:00.26 | Technomancer | uhhh omg |
| 07:00.28 | Technomancer | wtf |
| 07:00.30 | Sixen | lol |
| 07:01.02 | MrOp | o |
| 07:01.06 | Sixen | onetwo, Blizzard awarded me with the Mike Vinny Pauly award. |
| 07:01.14 | onetwo | LOL |
| 07:01.17 | Sixen | lol |
| 07:01.18 | onetwo | nice |
| 07:01.21 | onetwo | brb playing cs source |
| 07:01.32 | Sixen | k\ |
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| 07:12.47 | Razernok | Is there anyway to create extra ability buttons like those on the command card, using layouts or templates? |
| 07:19.14 | Stragus | What do you mean by extra ability buttons? |
| 07:27.25 | Shawn|Rawr | You can create screen buttons via triggers |
| 07:27.52 | Razernok | more then those on the command panel |
| 07:29.11 | Razernok | dialog buttons don't work since spells that require a point can't be cast to the point of waiting for player to choose a target point |
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| 08:17.04 | onetwo | Razernok they can |
| 08:17.08 | onetwo | but youd have to track mouise movement |
| 08:17.16 | onetwo | using the new actions to get mouse XY |
| 08:17.19 | Razernok | except you get no splat |
| 08:17.28 | onetwo | maybe you can make one |
| 08:17.33 | onetwo | and run a trigger |
| 08:17.36 | onetwo | repeating every 0.01 s |
| 08:17.38 | Razernok | can't change the cursor image either |
| 08:17.39 | onetwo | that moves fake splat |
| 08:17.41 | onetwo | tto mouse XY |
| 08:17.58 | onetwo | you CAN do what you want overall |
| 08:18.02 | onetwo | but this is an RTS engine |
| 08:18.05 | onetwo | not half life 2 modding |
| 08:18.47 | EonShiKeno_ | Does anyone know of a citizen model holding a sign? |
| 08:19.38 | Razernok | its too bad the selection thing didn't work right. :( |
| 08:23.33 | onetwo | Well razernok in teh worst case |
| 08:23.39 | onetwo | you can fake it with some sc2layout movement |
| 08:23.47 | onetwo | although it means youll lose a row |
| 08:23.47 | Razernok | huh? |
| 08:23.49 | onetwo | from regular command card |
| 08:23.57 | onetwo | but does your player need 15+ abilities? |
| 08:24.06 | onetwo | unless it's WoW |
| 08:24.08 | onetwo | i doubt it |
| 08:24.11 | Razernok | no, just 12 |
| 08:24.22 | onetwo | could just move 12 command buttons to center |
| 08:24.26 | onetwo | keep 3 on right side if you need |
| 08:24.31 | onetwo | just gotta be sneaky |
| 08:24.43 | onetwo | until we can do more advanced stuff |
| 08:25.06 | Razernok | what do you mean by this? |
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| 08:35.17 | Helral|ZzZz | Razernok: you can with the SC2Layout files reposition the command buttons where-ever you want. |
| 08:35.26 | Razernok | i know that |
| 08:36.09 | onetwo | i mean |
| 08:36.16 | Helral|ZzZz | that means that you can also show only a set of all the command cards. |
| 08:36.19 | onetwo | to get the dialog bar kind of look you wanted |
| 08:36.24 | Helral|ZzZz | command card buttons* |
| 08:36.28 | onetwo | move 12 buttons to the center |
| 08:36.30 | Razernok | but if i do my spell bar that way then i need a way to fake unit selection so players know what unit they have selected. sadly, can't pull off |
| 08:36.43 | onetwo | damn k |
| 08:36.44 | Helral|ZzZz | Razernok: why? |
| 08:37.07 | Razernok | so a player will know what unit they have selected |
| 08:37.17 | Razernok | like they do in a mmo |
| 08:37.32 | onetwo | meh if you look at that great 3rd person RPG from war3 |
| 08:37.33 | Helral | ahhh target selection you mean? |
| 08:37.39 | onetwo | it wasnt that bad that you had to select your own guy vs selecting enemy units |
| 08:37.42 | onetwo | i mean we can only go so far |
| 08:37.44 | onetwo | in this engine |
| 08:37.47 | Razernok | correct |
| 08:38.07 | onetwo | people are used to it anyway on sc2 |
| 08:38.10 | onetwo | selecting your own hero |
| 08:38.34 | Helral | well you will need that anyhow if you want to have that functionality. |
| 08:38.39 | Razernok | not how i want it |
| 08:39.06 | Razernok | I need that target selection for this method |
| 08:39.46 | Helral | so basicly all your command card buttons are dummies. |
| 08:40.09 | Razernok | somewhat |
| 08:40.22 | Razernok | some spells will require a target point |
| 08:40.28 | Razernok | like an AOE |
| 08:41.01 | Helral | ok so what you basicly need are 2 things. |
| 08:41.18 | Razernok | so like if the player has a Backstab spell then they must have a target first |
| 08:41.23 | Helral | the command card repositioned, and target selection |
| 08:41.24 | Razernok | yea |
| 08:41.52 | Razernok | I know how to move the command card |
| 08:42.17 | Helral | target selection: remove the select flag from all units, use onclick events to store the players current target, dummy abilities for unit targeting spells, rest normal abilities. |
| 08:42.19 | Razernok | this target selection i can't figure out |
| 08:42.38 | Helral | and just keep a dialog up to date with the target units information. |
| 08:43.03 | Razernok | correct |
| 08:43.33 | Razernok | if I can get a working target selection (like found in a mmo) then I'll be fine |
| 08:44.00 | Razernok | selection circle is needed so a player knows which unit is the current target |
| 08:44.28 | Helral | that's just an actor which you can attach to an unit and prolly limit it so only 1 player sees it. |
| 08:44.38 | Helral | a splat actor if I remember correctly. |
| 08:45.02 | Razernok | been trying, i can't figure it out |
| 08:46.23 | Razernok | :( |
| 08:46.41 | Helral | I don't know exactly how to do the selection showing, but at least you can show the unit info of your target. |
| 08:47.03 | Helral | What I do know is that is should be possible. ;p |
| 08:47.31 | Razernok | but won't do much good without a visual under the unit selected |
| 08:49.26 | Razernok | say you are fighting 20 boars, they all look the same. you kinda need to know which one in the bunch is your current target visually so you know which way to face and where to stand |
| 08:49.29 | Helral | well what you can do is post your question on the sc2mapster forums about the visual under the unit, and in the mean time that you wait for a reply, create the UI Layout that you want and the Unit Info bit that you want for the target. |
| 08:49.33 | Razernok | so your spells hit |
| 08:50.04 | Helral | if I fight 20 boars I'll use aoe ;p |
| 08:50.30 | Razernok | but if there is no solution i don't wanna waste time with the UI elements then have to recode it for a different method |
| 08:50.51 | Razernok | not if you have no aoe, like say a warrior class |
| 08:51.11 | Helral | then I don't fight 20 boars, I just fight the one I face ;p |
| 08:51.29 | Helral | I never cared much for targeting when I play as a melee fighter. |
| 08:51.43 | Helral | I just get up close and start swinging my axe.. |
| 08:52.12 | Razernok | a visual for what unit is targeted is needed for the player to position correctly |
| 08:52.35 | Razernok | so they're not too far away or facing the wrong way |
| 08:53.13 | Razernok | still its needed |
| 08:54.53 | Helral | btw I doubt that there is no solution. |
| 08:55.10 | Helral | people have already figured out how to make certain units only visible to 1 player. |
| 08:55.16 | Helral | so what you want is possible. |
| 08:55.30 | Helral | it's just the question of how to do it. not of is it possible. |
| 08:56.05 | Razernok | people choose to bitch at me and tell me to go learn how to do it on my own without help |
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| 08:56.39 | Helral|Work | in IRC here or on the forums? |
| 08:57.21 | Razernok | here |
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| 08:57.38 | Razernok | in the past on other modding forums same shit when i post |
| 08:58.18 | Helral|Work | so that means in IRC. |
| 08:58.34 | Helral|Work | well don't let them get to you, just be clear on your question. |
| 08:58.34 | Razernok | for sc2 its been irc |
| 08:58.54 | Razernok | bad exp posting on forums for other modding sites for past titles. |
| 08:59.21 | Razernok | so I don't post on forums anymore |
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| 09:01.06 | Helral|Work | hmmm seems that on 1dec. it wasn't possible.... |
| 09:01.13 | Helral|Work | according to some folks at least. |
| 09:01.25 | Helral|Work | thought someone did it in aug/sept though. |
| 09:02.05 | Razernok | I've search the forums with no luck |
| 09:02.16 | Razernok | found no one who already done it |
| 09:04.40 | Razernok | well, I'm gonna go to bed. If you hear anything that might help me, leave me a pm on here then. |
| 09:05.09 | Helral|Work | well you can try using text tags to show the target. |
| 09:05.18 | Helral|Work | by just only showing the unit name for the target. |
| 09:05.30 | Razernok | :S |
| 09:05.48 | Helral|Work | alternative for the selection circle, :P |
| 09:06.06 | Razernok | but thats not on a per player basis |
| 09:06.20 | Helral|Work | isn't there a show Text Tag for Player? |
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| 09:06.42 | Razernok | not that i've ever seen |
| 09:07.26 | Helral|Work | Show/Hide Text Tag: Player Group |
| 09:07.32 | Skizot | FUCKING CHRIST RAZERNOK STOP ASKING IT CAN NOT BE DONE. |
| 09:07.43 | Helral|Work | well hide it for all players, show it for a specific player. |
| 09:08.09 | Razernok | see what i mean Helral? |
| 09:08.44 | Skizot | YOU WHINE ALL FUCKING DAY ABOUT IT. |
| 09:08.53 | Skizot | you make people quit the channel because you won't shut up. |
| 09:08.54 | Helral|Work | Skizot mind the caps will ya. |
| 09:09.09 | Skizot | they were intended. |
| 09:09.17 | Helral|Work | I know. but still |
| 09:10.21 | Helral|Work | so Razernok: what you can basicly do is use a custom dialog for the player unit info |
| 09:10.46 | Razernok | for hp and energy and stuff, yea |
| 09:10.48 | Helral|Work | and just use the default sc2 selection method then. but when players want to use aoe spells you'll have a problem. |
| 09:11.00 | Razernok | but for the visual on the unit....... |
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| 09:11.43 | Razernok | if i use the default selection then players will lose the spell bar when they target another unit |
| 09:12.02 | Razernok | hence why i need i different way to do it |
| 09:12.34 | Razernok | the command card was moved and made a dummy unit to act as the spell bar |
| 09:14.13 | Helral|Work | you could use an invisible unit with no collision and reposition it constantly to match the current target. and have the invisible unit position updated constantly to match the players target. |
| 09:14.32 | Helral|Work | that way you would keep your spellbar etc. correct and have the selection circle under the target. |
| 09:14.49 | Razernok | won't scale with the unit |
| 09:14.57 | Razernok | so size matches |
| 09:14.58 | Helral|Work | use triggers to make it scale |
| 09:15.43 | Helral|Work | catalog field value set( Units, YourUnit, SelectionRadius) or something. |
| 09:15.52 | Razernok | when you instantly move a unit over a small distance it looks real jittery |
| 09:16.06 | Helral|Work | depends on how often you update. |
| 09:16.18 | Helral|Work | I never said it was good performance. |
| 09:16.37 | Helral|Work | also you can prolly have it copy the actions of the selected target. |
| 09:16.47 | Razernok | update time would have to be like 0.00 for it to work |
| 09:17.01 | Skizot | there is no 0.00 |
| 09:17.17 | Skizot | minimum is 0.016 |
| 09:17.20 | Helral|Work | update time 0.0010 condition: position of target != position of dummy |
| 09:17.43 | Helral|Work | well it gets adjusted to that value anyway Skizot ;p |
| 09:18.03 | Helral|Work | no need to be that specific about the minimum value unless it is needed. |
| 09:18.34 | Razernok | well, I'm gonna go to bed, maybe something will turn up tomorrow for me :S |
| 09:18.44 | Helral|Work | cya Razernok. |
| 09:19.07 | Helral|Work | Skizot: btw he prolly did most questions asking while I wasn't here (asleep/gone) |
| 09:19.07 | Shawn|Rawr | That guy will never be satisfied with anything |
| 09:19.19 | Helral|Work | that's life isn't it? |
| 09:19.23 | Skizot | we tried man |
| 09:19.29 | Skizot | we tried HARD |
| 09:19.31 | Shawn|Rawr | No, he's been doing it for days now |
| 09:19.32 | Helral|Work | hehehe |
| 09:19.42 | Skizot | but he wants a freaking model that only ONE player can see. |
| 09:19.52 | Helral|Work | no need to have that actually |
| 09:19.59 | Skizot | that's what he wants. |
| 09:20.05 | Skizot | you'll see. |
| 09:20.20 | Shawn|Rawr | No way to change his mind either |
| 09:20.25 | Skizot | now i have to go check the logs to see what shit his emo ass was saying about us. |
| 09:20.38 | Helral|Work | btw Skizot: I thought someone did get that working during beta or in the first few months after beta. |
| 09:21.58 | Skizot | he wants a model attachment to only be seen by one player. |
| 09:22.03 | Skizot | not. possible. |
| 09:22.15 | Skizot | unless it hides the main unit for ALL players. |
| 09:22.21 | Shawn|Rawr | There is no forum post about it. There is a way to kinda do cloaked/buried but he refuses to do that |
| 09:22.42 | Shawn|Rawr | That guy is seriously impossible to reason with |
| 09:23.12 | Skizot | see? shawn knows |
| 09:23.35 | Skizot | he's been at this long enough to make ME want to choke him. |
| 09:24.48 | Shawn|Rawr | He also refuses to post ANYTHING in the forum. |
| 09:24.53 | Shawn|Rawr | Which annoys the hell out of me |
| 09:25.06 | Skizot | he's the perfect troll... |
| 09:25.26 | Skizot | makes you think he really wants to try to make it work as it is "the foundation for his map" |
| 09:25.32 | Helral|Work | lol |
| 09:25.41 | Skizot | and then keeps repeating "but i don't want it like that" |
| 09:25.47 | Helral|Work | well I guess I'll go work for a while. |
| 09:25.49 | Shawn|Rawr | Did techno ever get ahold of you skizot? |
| 09:25.56 | Skizot | yeah |
| 09:26.18 | Shawn|Rawr | Good. For a brief time he thought that the money thing had something to do with Starcraft Universe |
| 09:26.33 | Skizot | haha |
| 09:26.39 | Skizot | i'm not involved in SCU |
| 09:26.46 | Shawn|Rawr | I know. |
| 09:26.46 | Skizot | and now refuse to be. |
| 09:26.57 | Shawn|Rawr | D: |
| 09:27.17 | Shawn|Rawr | Techno already offered a really cool model he made |
| 09:27.23 | Skizot | meh |
| 09:27.36 | Skizot | i have a ton of models that i could donate NOW. |
| 09:27.39 | Skizot | but again... |
| 09:27.44 | Skizot | nope.avi |
| 09:27.57 | Shawn|Rawr | YOu hatin.. |
| 09:28.19 | Skizot | no, i just don't like people who are dickheads when i pop in to see what's happening. |
| 09:28.43 | Shawn|Rawr | oohh.. which one? |
| 09:28.48 | Skizot | i was ACTUALLY planning to lend a hand. |
| 09:29.03 | Skizot | since i was kinda interested in the project. |
| 09:29.24 | Shawn|Rawr | It was probably Ryan |
| 09:29.32 | Skizot | dingdingidng |
| 09:29.47 | Shawn|Rawr | That boy has got some major stress issues recently |
| 09:29.50 | Skizot | and *I* can do custom spell particles. |
| 09:29.59 | Skizot | tough titties for him! |
| 09:31.23 | Skizot | and soon... i'll be able to make neat disco lights and shit! |
| 09:32.35 | Shawn|Rawr | lol. I'm imagining the new Desert Strike map with a disco theme now |
| 09:33.19 | Skizot | I think i might make a blue fireball. |
| 09:34.14 | Skizot | nah |
| 09:34.17 | Skizot | no need for it. |
| 09:34.27 | Shawn|Rawr | I know, but I find it hilarios |
| 09:34.31 | Shawn|Rawr | hilarious* |
| 09:34.49 | Shawn|Rawr | That map is all I've been staring at for days now |
| 09:35.27 | Shawn|Rawr | Lot's of fun to make a map like that |
| 09:36.45 | Skizot | i might make a disco ball though. |
| 09:36.51 | Skizot | that could be neat. |
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| 10:00.56 | Helral | where does one set the selection radius again. |
| 10:01.09 | Skizot | actor |
| 10:04.34 | Helral | ah at the model |
| 10:07.56 | Helral | was playing around a bit with the Selection Actors. |
| 10:08.06 | Helral | I think you should be able to fake selection with those ;p |
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| 10:11.09 | Obatztrara | hey guys |
| 10:11.14 | Helral|Work | meow |
| 10:11.24 | Obatztrara | hows it going helral? :) |
| 10:12.10 | Helral|Work | workies |
| 10:12.19 | Obatztrara | ;-( |
| 10:13.06 | Helral|Work | why? |
| 10:13.27 | Obatztrara | just asking ;) |
| 10:13.29 | Obatztrara | uhm |
| 10:13.41 | Obatztrara | does anyone if I can validate the level of a units ability? |
| 10:13.45 | Obatztrara | and how? |
| 10:14.04 | Obatztrara | as in: return true if level of megaboom = 3 |
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| 10:17.38 | Obatztrara | or: validate effects? |
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| 10:28.15 | Helral|Work | for a validator or ? |
| 10:29.26 | Icebane | MOOORNING! =D |
| 10:30.24 | Stragus | Obatztrara, do you want to check the level of an upgrade in a validator? |
| 10:30.39 | Stragus | Just making sure that's what you meant by the "level of a unit's ability" |
| 10:30.46 | Obatztrara | no, the level of an ability |
| 10:30.52 | Obatztrara | yes, with validators |
| 10:31.07 | Obatztrara | the reason is the following |
| 10:31.16 | Stragus | What is the "level of an ability"? |
| 10:31.39 | Obatztrara | for an ability that is a chain of 10+ effects and actors its very annoying to copy them all, only to have the damage changed at the very end |
| 10:31.54 | Obatztrara | well |
| 10:31.58 | Obatztrara | uhm :o |
| 10:32.14 | Obatztrara | you know how an ability can have multiple effetcs? those are the levels |
| 10:32.25 | Stragus | I think you need to give the big picture of what you are trying to do |
| 10:32.33 | Obatztrara | I was about to :D |
| 10:32.35 | Obatztrara | so |
| 10:32.40 | Sixen | http://www.moddb.com/mods/starcraft-knights someone tell this guy to host his project on sc2mapster if they have a moddb account |
| 10:32.46 | Stragus | An ability can call an effect, that effect can be a set or a persistent calling many other effects, sure |
| 10:32.52 | Sixen | I don't feel like registering and he's complaining about how he's outta space |
| 10:32.52 | Obatztrara | I have the chain of effects, at the very end the damage |
| 10:32.55 | Obatztrara | now |
| 10:33.11 | Stragus | What do you mean by "chain of effects"? |
| 10:33.16 | Obatztrara | O_o |
| 10:33.29 | Stragus | Please use the vocabulary as present in the data editor... |
| 10:33.35 | Obatztrara | ... |
| 10:33.47 | Obatztrara | I think chain of effects it pretty obvious |
| 10:34.02 | Obatztrara | persistens creating searches, adding behaviours, etc |
| 10:34.05 | Obatztrara | its just an example |
| 10:34.07 | Stragus | The ability calls an effect, that effect is a create persistent calling other effects? |
| 10:34.09 | Stragus | Okay. |
| 10:34.09 | Obatztrara | the point is |
| 10:34.23 | Obatztrara | 99% of the time the damage effect is the last one |
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| 10:34.45 | Helral|Work | hmmm |
| 10:34.50 | Obatztrara | so I want to add a switch as last effect: this switch will determine which damage effect to use |
| 10:34.54 | Obatztrara | depending on the abilities level |
| 10:35.00 | Stragus | Yup, a switch effect is the way to go |
| 10:35.09 | Obatztrara | :) |
| 10:35.10 | Obatztrara | now |
| 10:35.12 | Stragus | I think when you say "ability level", you mean the level of an upgrade |
| 10:35.21 | Stragus | There's an actual upgrade that goes up in level, yes? |
| 10:35.26 | Obatztrara | no I mean the level of the ability ;) |
| 10:35.34 | Stragus | An ability by itself has no concept of level |
| 10:36.04 | Obatztrara | and I thought I had 50 abilities with 5+ levelks in my map? :o |
| 10:36.13 | Obatztrara | :P |
| 10:36.34 | Obatztrara | oh well |
| 10:36.35 | Icebane | Does anyone know if there's any way to "attach" a button to a unit but only so that it won't be seen in-game. I just want to be able to get it via Catalog. But I don't want the players to be able to get it. |
| 10:36.38 | Stragus | How do you go from "level 1" to "level 2" for your ability? You use an upgrade, yes? |
| 10:36.39 | Obatztrara | it boils down to this |
| 10:36.42 | Icebane | the players to be able to see it* |
| 10:36.43 | Obatztrara | no |
| 10:37.02 | Obatztrara | you really just add the effects to the ability...it acts as if the ability has levels |
| 10:37.14 | Icebane | I just saw this field "Progress Buttons", anyone knows what it is? |
| 10:37.19 | Obatztrara | no upgrades involved |
| 10:37.34 | Stragus | That's a bit unusual, and what's adding the effects? |
| 10:37.40 | Stragus | Usually upgrades add/modify the effects |
| 10:37.45 | Obatztrara | O_o |
| 10:38.20 | Obatztrara | have you ever build an ability with multiple levels? |
| 10:38.23 | Stragus | My point is, it's easy to have a validator that checks the level of a player's upgrade, and that's what people usually do inside a switch effect |
| 10:38.29 | Stragus | Yes, a lot |
| 10:38.29 | Obatztrara | sure |
| 10:38.51 | avogatro | someone working with blender? |
| 10:39.11 | avogatro | how do i change model animation |
| 10:39.42 | Obatztrara | then you should know that you can add levels to an ability without touching upgrades whatsoever: also the problem is that upgrades are used for all units of the affected type. I need only the specific hero to be affected |
| 10:40.33 | Stragus | An ability has no concept of level by itself! Upgrades can affect and modify the ability, increasing its effects, as upgrade levels go up |
| 10:40.46 | Stragus | Ah, so this is not a player-wide thing |
| 10:40.48 | Obatztrara | lol of course it does! |
| 10:41.17 | Obatztrara | sec |
| 10:41.41 | Obatztrara | FeldMedivacHeal (Transfusion) CAbilEffect_Effect(Transfusion1|Transfusion2|Transfusion3|Transfusion4|Transfusion5|Transfusion6) |
| 10:41.51 | Helral | Obatztrara: can you also have a behavior on it which increases each time the ability levels up? (didn't find an abil lvl counter) |
| 10:41.59 | Helral | hmmm |
| 10:42.00 | Obatztrara | yes, that would work |
| 10:42.14 | Obatztrara | but I was hoping to check for the effect/level directly |
| 10:42.23 | Stragus | These are multiple effects, they are all called, they are not levels |
| 10:42.23 | Helral | well you can check for the effect. |
| 10:42.33 | Obatztrara | oh really? :O |
| 10:42.53 | Obatztrara | they are called depending on the ability level Stragus |
| 10:43.01 | Obatztrara | first effect at level 1, etc |
| 10:43.07 | Stragus | The effects themselves must run some validators to check that "level" you are talking about |
| 10:43.12 | Stragus | But all these effects are called |
| 10:43.19 | Helral | hehehe |
| 10:43.26 | Helral | ok so what I thought off doesn't work ;p |
| 10:43.27 | avogatro | how do i create a m3 model with animation sequence |
| 10:43.33 | Helral | avogatro: no idea |
| 10:43.53 | avogatro | i saw a game named smashcraft amazing animation |
| 10:43.54 | Helral | Skizot would know I guess. |
| 10:44.10 | Obatztrara | uhm...So how can you check effects with validators Helral? |
| 10:44.55 | Stragus | Obatztrara, you check player-wide upgrade level, or perhaps something else like behavior count on the unit |
| 10:45.05 | Stragus | Don't think that I don't know how that stuff works, I really do |
| 10:45.14 | Helral|Work | well it won't help you if all the effects trigger at once. |
| 10:45.37 | Obatztrara | 1) I doubt they all trigger at once |
| 10:45.52 | Obatztrara | 2) I can check for an effect that I'm 10% sure is called |
| 10:45.57 | Stragus | They do. Except some validators must be checked meaning only one of them actually goes through |
| 10:45.58 | Obatztrara | 100* |
| 10:46.08 | Obatztrara | well |
| 10:46.20 | Obatztrara | are these validators accessible? |
| 10:46.33 | Stragus | Sure, check the effects being called, you'll see the validators they use |
| 10:46.37 | Obatztrara | ... |
| 10:46.42 | Obatztrara | there is no such validator... |
| 10:46.55 | Helral | hmmm no effect check validator, but you can just set what you need at the effect. |
| 10:46.59 | Helral | or won't that suffice? |
| 10:47.20 | Obatztrara | sure I could |
| 10:47.33 | Obatztrara | the problem is that for complex abilities I have to copy a LOT of effects |
| 10:47.34 | Helral | if you'd need a validator to limit the effect triggering then I suggest using a behavior to keep track of the abil lvls. and use it to limit them. |
| 10:47.38 | Obatztrara | just to change the damage at the end |
| 10:48.02 | Obatztrara | I can see that working |
| 10:48.07 | Helral | why not just use a set effect to call them multiple times. |
| 10:48.23 | Obatztrara | :o |
| 10:48.26 | Helral | if it is manageable that way ;p |
| 10:48.27 | Stragus | I could go on on trying to explain but I think it's not going anywhere |
| 10:48.42 | Stragus | Helral, a switch effect with validators really is the way to go |
| 10:48.45 | Obatztrara | helral: not sure what you mean? call what multiple times? |
| 10:48.59 | Helral | btw I got no idea how ability effects work when you specify multiple of them. |
| 10:48.59 | Helral | but I guess that was already obvious. |
| 10:49.11 | Stragus | Helral, they all get called |
| 10:49.20 | Obatztrara | honestly Stragus |
| 10:49.25 | Obatztrara | where are you getting that from? |
| 10:49.42 | Helral|Work | Stragus: I don't know and you and Obatztrara say the opposite stuff. |
| 10:49.50 | Obatztrara | :P |
| 10:49.55 | Helral|Work | I haven't tested it so I just assume that Obatztrara has tested it. |
| 10:49.58 | Stragus | Okay whatever. I have written about 50 abilities and 300 effects from scratch, including all that stuff and more. |
| 10:50.06 | Stragus | But go whatever you want, I'm not going to argue when trying to help someone |
| 10:50.13 | Stragus | But do* whatever you want |
| 10:50.19 | Helral|Work | I don't mind you helping him. |
| 10:50.21 | Obatztrara | I'm sorry if I soundd harsh and I respect your work |
| 10:50.26 | Obatztrara | :) |
| 10:50.28 | Obatztrara | its just |
| 10:50.47 | Obatztrara | if there is a validator that checks which ability effect is used: then its hidden |
| 10:50.56 | Helral|Work | btw Obatztrara: you did test it, right? if the effects all get triggered or not ;p |
| 10:51.07 | Obatztrara | they dont |
| 10:51.26 | Obatztrara | if you add multiple effects to ab abilities effect field |
| 10:51.37 | Obatztrara | the effect that fits the current level of the ability is called |
| 10:51.38 | Helral|Work | they don't at lvl 1, or they don't both at lvl 1 and at max lvl? |
| 10:52.05 | Obatztrara | level 1: first effect, level 2 second effect, etc |
| 10:52.14 | Stragus | What "level" are you even talking about? Look at all the ability fields, there is no such thing as a level anywhere |
| 10:52.38 | Obatztrara | :( |
| 10:52.47 | Obatztrara | sure there is no field |
| 10:52.51 | Obatztrara | but once you add the effects |
| 10:53.03 | Obatztrara | in game its displayed as "Super Ability Level 2" |
| 10:53.10 | Obatztrara | and thats not me setting the name like that |
| 10:53.15 | Obatztrara | it says level 2 |
| 10:53.38 | Obatztrara | also: you can increase the level of a ability for a SPECIFIC unit using learn abilities |
| 10:53.49 | Obatztrara | and you can increase the level of an ability on a unit using triggers |
| 10:53.57 | Obatztrara | and you say there is NO LEVEL? |
| 10:54.02 | Stragus | If it's not player-wide, what would typically be done would be stacking hidden behaviors to track level |
| 10:54.12 | Stragus | The count of behaviors equal level, you check that with validators |
| 10:54.19 | Stragus | And no, abilities by themselves have no level |
| 10:54.24 | Obatztrara | ... |
| 10:54.27 | Helral|Work | well assuming that that is true, then if your damage is like: lvl 1 = 10, lvl 2 = 20, lvl 3 = 30 etc. you can use a set like: Ability Effect -> Set Effect -> containing as effects: lvl times the effect that would normally be added at the ability |
| 10:54.49 | Obatztrara | If I could access the level, yes |
| 10:55.11 | Helral|Work | why would you need to access the level if it works like you said? |
| 10:55.24 | Helral|Work | Effect 2 : Set Effect ( Ability Effect, Ability Effect) |
| 10:55.30 | Helral|Work | Effect 3 : Set Effect ( Ability Effect, Ability Effect, Ability Effect) |
| 10:55.32 | Helral|Work | etc. |
| 10:55.44 | Helral|Work | ignore typo's ;p |
| 10:55.48 | Helral|Work | if any |
| 10:55.52 | Obatztrara | ;) |
| 10:56.59 | Obatztrara | its not that simple sadly... |
| 11:00.15 | Helral|Work | why not? |
| 11:00.21 | Vindicator | ok, i'm joining this conversation pretty late here it seems, but it sounds like you're trying to create an ability that levels up - why not instead create two seperate abilities, (copy and paste one) and then modify the attributes of the pasted one to what you want the ability to be like at Level 2, and then have the game utilize ability 2 instead of ability 1 after you have leveled the |
| 11:00.21 | Vindicator | ability up. |
| 11:01.49 | Obatztrara | id rather not do that Vindicator. It would require swapping the abilities at runtime which would require triggers and thats a no go per se :P |
| 11:02.39 | Obatztrara | Well helral, the problem is that I cant just add the effects to a chain: lets take an ability the fires a missile that pirces through targets, constantly searching for targets |
| 11:02.42 | Stragus | This all can be done easily with effects, upgrades and validators if you would be a little more open-minded |
| 11:02.44 | Obatztrara | sounds simple enough |
| 11:03.07 | Obatztrara | I know it can Stragus, and appreciate the help: but upgrades affect all units of a player |
| 11:03.11 | Obatztrara | so they ra eno use to me |
| 11:03.14 | Obatztrara | are* |
| 11:03.16 | Vindicator | what's the down-side of using a few triggers if it gets the job done? |
| 11:03.28 | Stragus | True! So as I'm saying, if you need to track a per-unit level, you can use a stack of behaviors |
| 11:03.41 | Stragus | And the validators check the count of that specific validator to get the level |
| 11:03.58 | Obatztrara | yes, that would certainly work |
| 11:04.06 | Obatztrara | buuuuut (sorry perfectionist) |
| 11:04.08 | Obatztrara | :P |
| 11:04.40 | Obatztrara | I'd rather check for the effect that was triggered directly...but it seems its not possible |
| 11:05.28 | Stragus | What's the "but" about using a stack of behavior? It's very easy, very common |
| 11:05.35 | Stragus | Behaviors are meant to be used that way, there's no hack there |
| 11:06.16 | Obatztrara | yea...but I have a feeling it could be done more elegant |
| 11:06.45 | Stragus | It's quite elegant actually, it's the method appropriate to the job |
| 11:08.17 | Obatztrara | well I guess: But it seems weird that you set ( = access) the level of an ability using triggers |
| 11:08.30 | Obatztrara | however you can't check it in the data editor |
| 11:08.33 | Obatztrara | which seems weird |
| 11:09.44 | Stragus | Okay, let's go this way. How are you setting the level of an ability using triggers? |
| 11:09.56 | Stragus | Generally, it's all done in the data editor |
| 11:10.09 | Icebane | Whats the smartest way to store text via a Unit so I can fetch it via the Catalog? |
| 11:10.26 | Obatztrara | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:10.35 | Obatztrara | I changed it to raw data, because ma editor is german |
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| 11:11.05 | Obatztrara | but my* |
| 11:11.53 | Icebane | i.e behavior "Example" has field "Editor Suffix" "Hello!". set stri_Temp = Catalog Field Get (Catalog: Behavior, Entry: Example, Path: Editor Prefix) |
| 11:17.08 | Helral|Work | Editor fields aren't accessable in the catalog system. |
| 11:18.01 | Helral|Work | Icebane: what would you want to store ;p |
| 11:18.34 | Icebane | Heres the problem: |
| 11:19.01 | Icebane | I need to do like a compilation of three different tooltips into one. |
| 11:19.26 | Helral|Work | and just placing them after one another won't work? |
| 11:19.36 | Icebane | No its like this. |
| 11:19.57 | Icebane | A unit has a set of abilities named "Set #01" |
| 11:20.02 | Icebane | - Fireball |
| 11:20.05 | Icebane | -Waterball |
| 11:20.11 | Icebane | - Sludgeball |
| 11:20.40 | Icebane | and I need to some how store a summed up tooltip for each spell |
| 11:20.51 | Icebane | compiled into a single tooltip for the "Set #01" |
| 11:21.23 | Icebane | So that I can create a dialog item which has the tooltip 'Set #01 Tooltip" |
| 11:22.39 | Icebane | And I need to be able to fetch those summed up tooltips dynamically so that it follows with the Unit-type a players hero has. |
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| 11:23.22 | Icebane | And I do not want to create some kind of registry for all of these tooltips manually with variables. |
| 11:24.46 | Icebane | My solution was creating a "Behavior" with the name "HeroA_Data1" and then I can store texts in that behavior within its fields. |
| 11:24.53 | Helral|Work | so create a dummy ability that the player can't pick/see and retrieve the tooltip for that one. |
| 11:25.48 | Icebane | It cannot be an ability assigned to the Hero since I filled up all those 31 arrays already. |
| 11:26.25 | Helral|Work | hmmm |
| 11:26.36 | Helral|Work | well use a behavior then and it's tooltip. |
| 11:28.14 | Icebane | - continuing on "My solution" - Then I can do a Get Catalog Field Value (Catalog: Behavior, Entry: (Combine Multiple Strings (("Name of Player Hero") +("_Data")+(Integer(loop_integer))) Path: Editor Suffix) |
| 11:28.41 | Icebane | But I'm not sure if it would work? |
| 11:29.05 | Icebane | As of what I learned about catalogs yesterday and the day before that it should work I think |
| 11:29.18 | Helral|Work | Editor Suffix etc. won't work. |
| 11:29.26 | Icebane | oh I just added something |
| 11:29.28 | Helral|Work | cause Editor fields are not accessable |
| 11:29.33 | Icebane | I know it has to be the correct path |
| 11:29.34 | Helral|Work | hehehe |
| 11:29.42 | Helral|Work | just pointing it out ;p |
| 11:29.50 | Icebane | Right, but else than that would it? |
| 11:30.36 | Helral|Work | I'd say test it ;p |
| 11:30.49 | Icebane | alright ^^ |
| 11:31.01 | Helral|Work | if you've named the stuff correctly then you should be able to retrieve the info. |
| 11:32.30 | Dekar | i once made a validator for buffs affecting ony units with a certain help-unitlist priority D: |
| 11:34.08 | Icebane | Hmm but Helral, what object data type would suite storing text in you think? |
| 11:34.16 | Icebane | Since editor fields wont work |
| 11:34.55 | Icebane | Dekar: that sounds like a nightmare to me ^^ |
| 11:35.28 | Dekar | nah, you can tell validators to check any field and compare it with a value |
| 11:35.53 | Icebane | oh I see =) |
| 11:36.22 | Helral|Work | Icebane: Tooltips. |
| 11:36.30 | Helral|Work | use a Button data type I guess ;p |
| 11:36.55 | Icebane | No no I found an even better I think! :D |
| 11:37.05 | Icebane | Game UI Data |
| 11:37.17 | Icebane | Field: "Loading Screen Help+" |
| 11:37.26 | Icebane | you can add several of strings/texts there |
| 11:37.59 | Icebane | But wont that take a lot of space.. hmm. |
| 11:38.42 | Helral|Work | button data type is better. you can just use your string combine to get the button id. and then retrieve the tooltip field. |
| 11:39.14 | Icebane | Yes but I'd rather be able to store several strings in a single object |
| 11:39.33 | Helral|Work | you only need 1 string per ability set don't you? |
| 11:39.41 | Icebane | else I will be needing about 8 objects per unit, where the Game UI Data-type will allow me just to have one |
| 11:39.49 | Icebane | Yes but each hero has 8 sets ^^ |
| 11:40.25 | Helral|Work | btw I do assume that the content of the set tooltip won't be the same as Tooltip Abil1 + Tooltip Abil2 + Tooltip Abil3 ;p |
| 11:41.33 | Icebane | nono, its like this: Tooltip Abil1: "A long description with typical data. While "Set#01" description only describes Abil1 briefly. |
| 11:42.04 | Icebane | typical info* to make it more clear ^^ |
| 11:44.27 | Icebane | But if I would use "Game UI Data" and copy the default one and just change the "Loading Screen Help+" that wouldn't affect the size of My "Game UI Data" except for the strings I changed. Right? |
| 11:44.38 | Icebane | Since its linked to the default libraries. |
| 11:46.32 | Icebane | pokes Helral for attention. |
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| 11:46.39 | Helral|Work | it would take up less space in like 140 bytes per hero orso. |
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| 11:46.53 | Vestras | ey |
| 11:46.59 | Icebane | Isn't that a nice solution then? ^^ |
| 11:47.03 | Icebane | Heya Vestras! |
| 11:47.08 | Vestras | Heya Icebane |
| 11:47.11 | Vestras | Do I know you? |
| 11:47.11 | Vestras | Lol |
| 11:47.27 | Icebane | I'm not sure, you might've seen my names a couple of times |
| 11:47.27 | Vestras | JademusSreg, got it working yesterday? |
| 11:47.34 | Vestras | Why? |
| 11:47.37 | Icebane | I've seen you from TheHelper.net |
| 11:47.41 | Vestras | Oh lol |
| 11:47.45 | Vestras | Where have I seen your name? |
| 11:47.47 | Helral|Work | meows |
| 11:47.52 | Icebane | during the years of Wc3 |
| 11:48.01 | Vestras | Oh well |
| 11:48.05 | Vestras | I remember something |
| 11:48.05 | Icebane | maybe here, maybe at the forums, amybe at the helper forums |
| 11:48.06 | Vestras | I think |
| 11:48.24 | Vestras | Efterklang - Modern Drift <3 |
| 11:48.25 | Vestras | Listen to it |
| 11:48.26 | Vestras | Nao |
| 11:48.26 | Icebane | Oh but Helral, isn't it a good solution then? -.- |
| 11:49.07 | Icebane | tripple-pokes Helral. |
| 11:49.55 | Icebane | stares at Helral. |
| 11:51.02 | Helral|Work | meows |
| 11:51.14 | Helral|Work | well it's up to you basicly ;p |
| 11:51.34 | Icebane | But you don't think its a good solution? |
| 11:51.45 | Helral|Work | It is a possible solution. |
| 11:51.55 | Helral|Work | just like what I said is possible, if it is good we will know in due time |
| 11:51.59 | Icebane | Yes, I know its not optimal. |
| 11:52.16 | Icebane | putting that together takes some time for me xD |
| 11:52.19 | Icebane | quite some time |
| 11:52.21 | Helral|Work | just storing it as a string in the data table is prolly optimal ;p |
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| 11:54.06 | Icebane | hmm actually it changed file size by 10kb |
| 11:54.10 | Icebane | which is to much |
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| 11:54.55 | Icebane | thats something I never used before either, the Data Table ;P |
| 11:55.52 | Icebane | Maybe I should just use buttons instead, since they don't take any filesize |
| 12:01.04 | Obatztrara | uhm random question: do I have to add my modfiles to any specific folder for offline testing? |
| 12:03.37 | Icebane | I don't think so ^^ |
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| 12:19.46 | Obatztrara | hmmm |
| 12:19.53 | Clord | hmmm hmmmmm |
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| 12:19.54 | Clord | ^^ |
| 12:19.59 | Clord | hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 12:20.00 | Clord | lol |
| 12:20.05 | Obatztrara | I'm using a mod with a few custom sounds |
| 12:20.25 | Obatztrara | in my main map, in the editor I can preview (prehear?) them |
| 12:20.31 | Obatztrara | but during testing they dont work |
| 12:20.34 | Obatztrara | :< |
| 12:20.51 | Clord | hehe |
| 12:20.56 | Obatztrara | :( |
| 12:21.06 | Clord | at least in case of music and this is probably also for sounds |
| 12:21.10 | Clord | you need to use date editor |
| 12:21.15 | Clord | and make new entry for it |
| 12:21.30 | Clord | then you can use it via triggers |
| 12:21.31 | Obatztrara | I created sounds and soundtracks for them..of course :) |
| 12:21.48 | Obatztrara | I mean this |
| 12:22.01 | Obatztrara | in the edifot, when clicking to preview the soundtrack it plays just fine |
| 12:22.04 | Obatztrara | editor* |
| 12:22.13 | Obatztrara | but not ingame.. |
| 12:23.53 | Clord | wrong format? |
| 12:23.58 | Clord | mp3 works fine |
| 12:24.00 | Clord | same with ogg |
| 12:25.23 | Obatztrara | all mp3 :/ |
| 12:25.44 | Clord | maybe there is your problem XD |
| 12:25.54 | Clord | game supports mp3 for music |
| 12:26.01 | Clord | but I think sound effects does not use mp3 |
| 12:26.09 | Obatztrara | oh |
| 12:26.24 | Obatztrara | well thats weird |
| 12:26.34 | Obatztrara | because I used to have one song, which was mp3 |
| 12:26.37 | Obatztrara | that song worked |
| 12:26.46 | Obatztrara | now I added this song and a few more into the mod |
| 12:26.54 | Obatztrara | for space reasons |
| 12:26.58 | Obatztrara | and now none of them works |
| 12:26.59 | Clord | yeah official sound effects use "ogg" format XD |
| 12:27.21 | Obatztrara | hmm k |
| 12:27.52 | Clord | but yeah mp3 should work |
| 12:28.00 | Clord | I don't see reason why not |
| 12:28.05 | Clord | expect unless it is not enough loud ;) |
| 12:28.45 | Clord | weird way it would make sense |
| 12:28.52 | Clord | sound plays but is not enough loud |
| 12:28.57 | Clord | so it is like if it didn't play |
| 12:29.00 | Clord | for users |
| 12:29.09 | Obatztrara | huh ok |
| 12:31.08 | Clord | while it is bit silly to state the obvious but sometimes people make those obvious mistakes XD |
| 12:31.12 | Clord | with editor |
| 12:32.09 | Clord | I kinda like SCII data editor |
| 12:32.14 | Clord | some stuff is so damn easy that lol ^^ |
| 12:35.47 | Obatztrara | yay it seems to work :D ...I didnt change the file type, but played around with the sound type in the data editor :)) |
| 12:50.25 | Xaragoth | livestream.com/xaragoth |
| 12:50.29 | Xaragoth | for those who want some UDK |
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| 13:01.55 | Helral|Work | UDK? |
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| 13:41.10 | Clord | without proper ww. whatever ^^ |
| 13:41.13 | Clord | I need damn copy paste |
| 13:41.16 | Clord | www. |
| 13:41.42 | Clord | offline ^^ |
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| 13:59.27 | Clord | master of weird cards strikes again |
| 13:59.30 | Clord | discount card |
| 14:00.00 | Clord | now most would think probably that discount card just discounts next few cards or something XD |
| 14:00.19 | Clord | but my "discount card" only cares of those cards already in hand |
| 14:00.20 | Xaragoth | it's making the next card you play cheaper |
| 14:00.25 | Xaragoth | end of story |
| 14:00.26 | Xaragoth | :p |
| 14:00.33 | Xaragoth | that's what a discount is |
| 14:00.38 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 14:00.46 | Clord | nah discount card what I do.. discounts cards already in hand |
| 14:00.49 | Clord | =) |
| 14:01.17 | Clord | it also allows to plan |
| 14:01.20 | Xaragoth | i'm totally sure that discount is a purely financial word |
| 14:01.24 | Xaragoth | and you're looking for discard |
| 14:01.25 | Clord | XD |
| 14:01.25 | Xaragoth | :p |
| 14:01.31 | Clord | ^^ |
| 14:01.32 | Clord | very funny |
| 14:01.49 | Xaragoth | no, correct use of words |
| 14:03.02 | Clord | "discounts all your cards already on hand, knocking off 10% of overall price" |
| 14:03.03 | Clord | XD |
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| 14:07.25 | Clord | making spell cards with current trigger style bit sucks ^^ |
| 14:07.39 | Clord | I could really overhaul that system in trigger side lol |
| 14:08.24 | JademusSreg | ? |
| 14:08.40 | Clord | my use card triggers are monsters XD |
| 14:09.06 | JademusSreg | Sense has just not been made. |
| 14:09.20 | JademusSreg | Which is to say, I didn't understand any of that. |
| 14:09.57 | Clord | my "use card" triggers are monsters....... |
| 14:10.22 | JademusSreg | Monsters? |
| 14:11.20 | Clord | http://pastebin.com/vk5kaiNd |
| 14:11.26 | Clord | I use allusions |
| 14:11.29 | Clord | it is my habit |
| 14:11.36 | Clord | if you want me to say it literally then that can be arranged XD |
| 14:12.05 | Clord | use your IQ man |
| 14:12.07 | JademusSreg | An allusion to what? |
| 14:12.25 | Clord | and ignored |
| 14:12.33 | Clord | I don't have time for trolls right now |
| 14:12.48 | JademusSreg | http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/allusion |
| 14:13.03 | Clord | 230 lines |
| 14:13.08 | Clord | thus monster trigger |
| 14:13.19 | JademusSreg | See? Not so hard. =) |
| 14:13.40 | Clord | with some more variables I could turn that nice and tiny |
| 14:13.43 | JademusSreg | Anyway, trying to read GUI is painful. |
| 14:14.46 | JademusSreg | I had misunderstood your statement earlier; I can see how you would mistake that for trolling. |
| 14:15.53 | JademusSreg | I read it as meaning you're using units as cards. |
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| 14:21.29 | Clord | reminds me when I in chat told someone "where is your toll box, troll" or something like that XD |
| 14:22.03 | Clord | or was it "where I pay toll, troll"... meh XD |
| 14:23.11 | JademusSreg | Yes. You're cool and impressive. |
| 14:23.37 | Vestras | I don't get it |
| 14:24.55 | XenoX101 | halo |
| 14:25.22 | Clord | http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/329672297/TOLL_BOX.html |
| 14:26.12 | JademusSreg | Clord set me to ignore, I think, mistaking me for a troll. It's pretty silly. |
| 14:26.50 | Clord | it has other meanings too however |
| 14:28.09 | Clord | I guess troll wants to store his payments somewhere.... unless all they care is to get more food |
| 14:28.14 | Clord | what would make such troll rather stupid |
| 14:30.11 | Clord | but to more interesting topic... or not very interesting at all for some or most here..... I would really like to have Warcraft IV..... |
| 14:30.21 | Clord | when I do custom maps.. I want to do spells |
| 14:30.22 | XenoX101 | nooo |
| 14:30.24 | XenoX101 | wc3 sux |
| 14:30.27 | Clord | =) |
| 14:30.47 | Clord | such spells as raise dead rock XD |
| 14:30.58 | JademusSreg | It was bearable for its time. |
| 14:31.05 | Clord | piling up dead corpses in endless waves |
| 14:31.06 | Clord | XD |
| 14:31.40 | JademusSreg | Wouldn't be too difficult. |
| 14:32.01 | Clord | then again... Protoss has kinda something what resembles magic |
| 14:32.14 | Clord | their psi power |
| 14:32.29 | Clord | such power source to do all kind of crap in combat |
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| 14:54.39 | Clord | ^^ |
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| 14:59.32 | Clord | Sixen is back once again |
| 15:00.01 | JademusSreg | Hihi Sixen. |
| 15:00.23 | JademusSreg | What's up? |
| 15:00.34 | Sixen | so tired... |
| 15:00.42 | Sixen | I didn't fall asleep until like 4am and had to get up at 6 for classes >.> |
| 15:00.53 | JademusSreg | How was erm Jersey Shore? |
| 15:01.06 | JademusSreg | So it's like a shore about a beach? |
| 15:01.06 | JademusSreg | *show |
| 15:01.22 | Sixen | It's a show about a bunch of kids living in a beach-house together that got ridiculously popular :p |
| 15:01.50 | JademusSreg | Hah. Yeah, that sounds like MTV material. |
| 15:01.59 | Clord | XD |
| 15:02.02 | JademusSreg | Isn't the premise of every MTV show for the past 15 years? |
| 15:02.09 | Clord | sounds like females show |
| 15:02.11 | Clord | lol |
| 15:02.22 | Sixen | Definitely not female show :P |
| 15:02.32 | Clord | so in popular some other way |
| 15:02.33 | Clord | XD |
| 15:02.36 | Sixen | Bunch of dudes picking up chicks at night clubs bringing them home and banging them. |
| 15:02.41 | Sixen | It got my attention :P |
| 15:02.55 | Sixen | Only shows I watch are that and House nowadays |
| 15:03.02 | JademusSreg | Mmm, House. |
| 15:03.19 | Sixen | He's a badass. |
| 15:03.20 | JademusSreg | I follow a number of shows myself. |
| 15:03.37 | *** join/#sc2mapster allenmelon (~amin@97-93-62-207.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com) |
| 15:03.52 | JademusSreg | House, Lie To Me, Weeds, Californication, NCIS (not LA)... |
| 15:04.24 | Sixen | NCIS isn't bad, it's usually on after House marathons |
| 15:04.26 | JademusSreg | Criminal Minds, True Blood, The Big Bang Theory, The Mentalist |
| 15:05.11 | JademusSreg | 30 Rock, Community, and I wish Firefly was longer than one season. |
| 15:05.35 | Junkey__ | community is really good |
| 15:06.11 | JademusSreg | Clord blocked me, so the conversation probably seems a bit disjointed to him. =P |
| 15:06.43 | JademusSreg | Yes, Community is delicious, trope-aware comedy. |
| 15:07.03 | JademusSreg | It never disappoints. |
| 15:09.41 | Clord | lol |
| 15:09.54 | Clord | so basically it is whore show? |
| 15:10.05 | Clord | lack of better term ^^ |
| 15:10.20 | Vestras | Clord |
| 15:10.24 | Vestras | Jade is not a troll |
