| 00:00.14 | Icebane | set abil [i] = "ability.array[i-1] |
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| 00:00.44 | Icebane | Nope, since its not for all abilities its only for a specific range of the arrays |
| 00:00.57 | Icebane | 0-2 i.e |
| 00:01.30 | Helral | ahhh so you limit it to only the first 3 abilities an unit has? |
| 00:02.01 | Icebane | yepp |
| 00:02.13 | Icebane | see the problem? ^^ |
| 00:02.24 | Helral | nope ;p |
| 00:02.37 | Icebane | well I dunno how to "set abil [i] = "ability.array[i-1]" |
| 00:02.39 | Helral | but I guess it would be a hell of a job. |
| 00:02.56 | Helral | anyways you got what you need now ;p |
| 00:03.19 | Icebane | yes I got the ID from each ability.array 0-2 |
| 00:03.43 | Icebane | but I dunno how to convert that ID into an abiliy/gamelink variable |
| 00:04.23 | Icebane | which is the last step |
| 00:05.15 | Helral | ow that's simple: you just set it using custom script or convert string to gamelink |
| 00:05.17 | Icebane | you have any idea? |
| 00:06.21 | Icebane | convert string to gamelink doesnt appear for me |
| 00:06.26 | Helral | I see that the conversion action doesn't exist. |
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| 00:06.37 | Helral | well we can create it easily enough. |
| 00:07.03 | Helral | create a new function definition that accepts a string as inputs and returns a gamelink-ability. |
| 00:07.30 | Helral | then as the sole action set the following: return (lp_stringparameter) |
| 00:07.45 | Helral | where lp_stringparameter is the string parameter that you used. |
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| 00:08.33 | Icebane | return (lp_stringparameter) |
| 00:08.34 | Helral | for example with: Parameter: AbilityId, the return value would be lp_abilityId <custom script> |
| 00:08.36 | Icebane | custom script? |
| 00:08.46 | Helral | yup |
| 00:09.03 | Reactorex | Say, anyone use the "mouse moved" event much? |
| 00:09.15 | Reactorex | I'm curious what people've used it for so far. |
| 00:09.48 | Icebane | I just cant wait for a ragdoll game xD |
| 00:10.21 | Shawn|Rawr | Now I want a "Move Mouse for Player" action |
| 00:10.31 | Reactorex | Like change where their mouse is? |
| 00:10.37 | Shawn|Rawr | Yes |
| 00:10.40 | Icebane | hahaha |
| 00:10.45 | Icebane | that would be awesome xD |
| 00:10.49 | Reactorex | Why? |
| 00:11.01 | Shawn|Rawr | Bumper Cars |
| 00:11.01 | Icebane | fucking around with the players? :D a ghost mouse |
| 00:11.22 | Reactorex | ... how does "move mouse for player" apply to bumper cars? You've lost me. |
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| 00:11.47 | Shawn|Rawr | The player moves their mouse around to control the car, and then the mouse moves along with the physics collisions |
| 00:12.02 | Icebane | Helral: So set abil = returnStringAsGameLink(abilID[i]) ? |
| 00:12.10 | Reactorex | To turn or to what? |
| 00:12.49 | Icebane | cant you just move the car? ;P |
| 00:12.49 | Shawn|Rawr | For everything. The mouse stays on the car. |
| 00:13.35 | Helral | Icebane: if returnstringasgamelink is your selfmade function, then yeah |
| 00:13.43 | Icebane | it is :D |
| 00:13.53 | Icebane | oh god I love modding so awarding |
| 00:18.17 | Dekar | helral i wondered if a semicomplex ui can be more easily created with layouts ( to display non interactive buttons aka images at certain locations ) and triggers reacting to mouseclick and checking x/y value if it hit a certain location on the screen |
| 00:18.41 | Dekar | but i dont know what you can do with layouts |
| 00:18.42 | Dekar | D: |
| 00:19.12 | Dekar | if they maybe can even be slightly changed with a trigger during runtime ( replacing images ) |
| 00:19.15 | depthsofchaos | is there a way to remove selection circle from the actor ?:o |
| 00:19.19 | depthsofchaos | and not the model |
| 00:24.26 | Icebane | Helral: Now I'm gonna see if this works! =) |
| 00:24.52 | Helral | hmmmmit whines for me about implicit cast not allowed. |
| 00:24.56 | Helral | first time I see that ;p |
| 00:25.07 | Helral | didn't do that the other times I used implicit casts like that... |
| 00:26.10 | Helral | roflol it was set to int not string for me ;p the parameter :) |
| 00:27.12 | Icebane | IT WOORKS! :D |
| 00:27.59 | Helral | :) |
| 00:29.45 | Icebane | or hmm it worked decent xD |
| 00:33.34 | Icebane | NIIIIIIIIIIICE! |
| 00:33.39 | Icebane | It works to 100% now D: |
| 00:33.42 | Icebane | :D * |
| 00:34.06 | Icebane | now I can sleep happily |
| 00:35.08 | Icebane | Helral: Thank yoou! :D |
| 00:35.13 | Icebane | JManV: and thank you too, a lot! |
| 00:36.59 | JManV | not a problem |
| 00:38.57 | Helral | meow |
| 00:43.01 | Helral | Weapons Free <-- apparently a ghost ability. |
| 00:43.14 | Skizot | dur |
| 00:43.22 | Skizot | hold fire is too :P |
| 00:44.06 | Helral | ow is that the opposite of hold fire? |
| 00:46.45 | Skizot | hold fire means no shooting. weapons free means kill on sight. |
| 00:46.48 | Skizot | DUH |
| 00:47.57 | Icebane | nope, Weapons Free means that they can shoot if they want to but they never got a KoS order! |
| 00:47.59 | Icebane | ;) |
| 00:48.15 | Skizot | same shit. |
| 00:48.28 | Helral | I actually assumed that hold fire was a toggle button. (on/off) so no need for another ability to disable hold fire. |
| 00:49.45 | Helral | just tested my "For each Ability on Unit do Actions" loop |
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| 00:50.03 | Icebane | Guys I have a question. Is there a way to destroy global variables? |
| 00:50.15 | Icebane | to save memory |
| 00:50.23 | Icebane | or do I have to make them locals |
| 00:50.33 | Helral | no way. |
| 00:50.34 | Icebane | in order to destroy them at end of a sequence |
| 00:50.46 | Icebane | Alright so locals is the only way then? |
| 00:51.01 | Icebane | in terms of saving memory |
| 00:51.38 | Icebane | But why haven't they included a "destroy variable" function? |
| 00:51.43 | Icebane | wouldnt it be useful? |
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| 00:55.19 | Icebane | Oh well, I guess I just have to remake some code and turn globals into locals.Once again ty! :D Now I'm off to bed! |
| 00:55.21 | Icebane | Gn guys! |
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| 01:51.32 | QueenGambit | hafrakes Sabboth |
| 01:51.34 | QueenGambit | lol |
| 01:52.18 | onetwo | meh the shit that freenode makes us type in |
| 01:52.20 | onetwo | is ridiculous |
| 01:52.23 | onetwo | no bot is gonna figure it out |
| 01:52.29 | onetwo | hell i cant even figure it out |
| 01:52.32 | onetwo | have to click reload like 10 times |
| 01:52.35 | onetwo | to get one thats legible |
| 01:53.14 | QueenGambit | lol yah i reloaded several times |
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| 02:23.02 | Shawn|Rawr | QueenGambit! |
| 02:23.04 | Shawn|Rawr | :D |
| 02:25.44 | QueenGambit | hey shawn |
| 02:26.09 | Shawn|Rawr | He did not contact me, so I assume he is busy |
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| 02:29.40 | Technomancer | Hey Skizot |
| 02:30.11 | QueenGambit | damnit |
| 02:30.16 | QueenGambit | can u work on the map then? |
| 02:30.19 | QueenGambit | hes probably AWOL now |
| 02:31.04 | Shawn|Rawr | I sure hope he isn't. The version I downloaded from bnet wouldn't let me save. |
| 02:31.13 | Shawn|Rawr | You might have to send it to me some other way |
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| 02:34.28 | QueenGambit | so u don't have access to the map? |
| 02:34.52 | Shawn|Rawr | Nope. |
| 02:34.58 | QueenGambit | okay i'll just email it to you |
| 02:35.17 | QueenGambit | today, i've been workin on a Q&A for Starcraft Universe |
| 02:35.46 | QueenGambit | im kinda mad at sixen and ryan because they don't give a shit about people that still don't know wtf SCU is |
| 02:36.10 | Shawn|Rawr | That's what you are for |
| 02:36.11 | QueenGambit | I hope this post will answer the many questions ppl have |
| 02:36.24 | Shawn|Rawr | 500+ views can't be wrong |
| 02:36.25 | QueenGambit | heres the post: tell me what you think |
| 02:36.31 | QueenGambit | oh nice u read it? |
| 02:36.36 | QueenGambit | yay |
| 02:36.37 | Shawn|Rawr | Of course. |
| 02:36.40 | Shawn|Rawr | I see all and know all |
| 02:36.44 | QueenGambit | aah |
| 02:37.13 | Shawn|Rawr | Either that or my 15+ hours on a computer every day is ridiculous |
| 02:37.23 | Shawn|Rawr | Either way.. I'm up to date |
| 02:37.45 | QueenGambit | its written in a novice perspective, someone who doesn't even know what starcraft is will be able to understand finally what SCU is |
| 02:38.58 | QueenGambit | I even wrote what Battle.net is |
| 02:39.10 | QueenGambit | because not everyone plays blizzard games |
| 02:39.13 | QueenGambit | or WoW |
| 02:40.35 | Shawn|Rawr | Your typing is impressive. Only one mistake that I see |
| 02:40.46 | Shawn|Rawr | Though it might be intentional |
| 02:40.55 | Shawn|Rawr | 'formally |
| 02:41.10 | Shawn|Rawr | probably was supposed to be 'formerly' |
| 02:44.21 | QueenGambit | no ur being modest |
| 02:44.33 | QueenGambit | my grammar, and creativity is so out of whack |
| 02:44.54 | QueenGambit | i'll continue to edit and update the post |
| 02:45.03 | QueenGambit | Grr! |
| 02:45.23 | QueenGambit | if only Ryan wrote this wonderful piece I made, I am 100% sure it wouldn't have gone viral |
| 02:45.40 | QueenGambit | and like |
| 02:46.01 | QueenGambit | "World of Starcraft, it is not to clone World of Warcraft" |
| 02:46.19 | QueenGambit | i mean, if your project title is World of Starcraft then of course ppl will think that |
| 02:46.23 | Shawn|Rawr | Nay. It had it's day in the news. I doubt it's coming back |
| 02:46.35 | QueenGambit | of course not |
| 02:47.03 | QueenGambit | im saying, he shoulda had my Q&A setup to reduce the misunderstanding hype |
| 02:47.05 | QueenGambit | like my pictures? |
| 02:47.08 | QueenGambit | its great |
| 02:47.24 | Stragus | Does anyone know where are defined how many points are given for resources spent, used mineral/vaspene? |
| 02:47.40 | Stragus | ( end game score ) |
| 02:47.51 | Shawn|Rawr | opens map editor |
| 02:48.14 | QueenGambit | k let me email it to u |
| 02:48.19 | Shawn|Rawr | ok |
| 02:49.42 | Shawn|Rawr | Stragus, it's on the Score Values in the data editor |
| 02:50.17 | Shawn|Rawr | Though I don't see anything useful anyway |
| 02:50.39 | QueenGambit | k sent |
| 02:50.44 | Stragus | I don't see anything about how many points are assigned to 1 mineral spent, for example |
| 02:51.01 | Stragus | It's mostly strings and additions |
| 02:51.31 | Shawn|Rawr | I'm pretty sure it's 1 mineral spent is 1 point |
| 02:51.35 | Shawn|Rawr | I could be wrong |
| 02:52.06 | Stragus | Probably. Can it be modified somewhere? |
| 02:52.25 | Stragus | Or it's between 0 and 1, taking the sum or keeping it |
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| 02:58.10 | Shawn|Rawr | There seems to be a trigger to manipulate score values |
| 02:58.44 | Shawn|Rawr | MIght be the easiest way |
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| 03:03.20 | progammer | lol gotta find out if they make backdoor for this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4l4jmOhW2w |
| 03:05.16 | Technomancer | Fucking Skizot, he gets me hyped up and then leaves me hanging. I still don't know wtf he wanted |
| 03:06.11 | Shawn|Rawr | he wanted sex |
| 03:06.18 | pirate | is there anyone on with 3ds on. I need a model rotated and am willing to trade for data/trigger work |
| 03:06.26 | Technomancer | me |
| 03:06.30 | Technomancer | im a modeler |
| 03:06.55 | pirate | ohai |
| 03:07.14 | Technomancer | o hai :P |
| 03:07.36 | QueenGambit | funny Skizot |
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| 03:08.35 | Technomancer | QueenGambit what are you working on for SCU? |
| 03:09.53 | progammer | yeah lol understand why that bug happen |
| 03:10.03 | progammer | the unit spawned is the infestor |
| 03:10.07 | progammer | and rightclicking is mind control |
| 03:10.21 | progammer | which they did not remove the innate ablity |
| 03:10.33 | onetwo | hmm thats interesing that tv providers arent allowed to give channels individually |
| 03:10.52 | onetwo | shame cause it would be fun to pick 20 channels that i want rather than have 60 channels that i dont want |
| 03:11.20 | onetwo | then again i guess once you get digital cable you get enough channels it doesnt matter |
| 03:11.33 | progammer | who can watch all of them anyway lol |
| 03:11.51 | progammer | internet stream replace tv anyway |
| 03:11.54 | onetwo | well itd be nice if i could just pick out the channels that play movies, seinfeld, family guy |
| 03:11.55 | onetwo | south park |
| 03:12.00 | onetwo | maybe cnn too |
| 03:12.19 | onetwo | as good as DLing/internet streaming is |
| 03:12.21 | QueenGambit | Shawn here is helping me work on SCU, yes |
| 03:12.22 | onetwo | i like to have tv on while i use computer |
| 03:12.27 | onetwo | not disable my comp while i watch |
| 03:12.38 | Shawn|Rawr | I'm doing weapons for SCU, QG is working on the forums |
| 03:12.55 | QueenGambit | my job I volunteered was PR and map testing feedback, Currently im working on a Q&A post for World of Starcraft noobs |
| 03:13.38 | progammer | so what happen with that blizz hq trip |
| 03:13.40 | progammer | did he went |
| 03:14.18 | Shawn|Rawr | I don't even know if he went yet |
| 03:14.23 | QueenGambit | he hasn't gone yet, i actually don't know when hes going |
| 03:14.37 | QueenGambit | lol, i even gave him a list of crap to ask blizzard |
| 03:14.43 | QueenGambit | for example: |
| 03:14.56 | progammer | not like he's a press guy |
| 03:15.08 | progammer | not much to ask anyway |
| 03:15.19 | QueenGambit | in 2008 when i made Desert Strike Night, It was a DS map tribute to Starcraft 2. I basically just used hero units in the map and renamed them as sc2 units |
| 03:15.31 | QueenGambit | one sc2 unit name i used was the Infestor |
| 03:15.35 | QueenGambit | i stuck it on a reaver |
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| 03:16.01 | QueenGambit | and then I added an internal timer which whenever timer reaches zero, the reaver model will spawn a infested rine |
| 03:16.16 | QueenGambit | then sc2 comes out and what ya know!? infested LOOKS like a reaver worm |
| 03:16.21 | QueenGambit | that spits out infested rines |
| 03:16.23 | QueenGambit | hrmm =D |
| 03:16.43 | progammer | guess they will never know |
| 03:17.03 | progammer | 1 guy in the design department played your map |
| 03:17.06 | progammer | no one else no that |
| 03:17.11 | QueenGambit | anyway, here is my insanely blunt Q&A for Starcraft Universe. This will answer many noob questions |
| 03:17.11 | progammer | :P |
| 03:17.21 | QueenGambit | hehe |
| 03:17.55 | QueenGambit | http://scuniverse.lordaeron.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=33&p=271#p271 |
| 03:18.43 | Shawn|Rawr | Blunt |
| 03:18.46 | Shawn|Rawr | Anyway.. |
| 03:20.28 | QueenGambit | brb, my comp keeps asking me to restart |
| 03:20.39 | Technomancer | Maybe thats what Skiz wanted to talk to me about |
| 03:22.36 | Shawn|Rawr | What? |
| 03:22.55 | Technomancer | idk |
| 03:23.02 | Technomancer | is he working on SCU too? |
| 03:23.14 | Shawn|Rawr | No. We have a volunteer guy |
| 03:23.37 | Technomancer | for what? |
| 03:24.02 | Shawn|Rawr | Last I heard we have a guy doing animations and stuff |
| 03:24.30 | Technomancer | ah then I have no clue |
| 03:24.44 | Shawn|Rawr | Besides, I don't see Ryan as a person that would pay to have that stuff done |
| 03:25.03 | Technomancer | Skizot said that to me |
| 03:25.11 | Technomancer | well I do models/textures and some ani |
| 03:25.20 | onetwo | maybe once we get marketplace |
| 03:25.24 | onetwo | we can get investors |
| 03:25.24 | Shawn|Rawr | I know. You helped JMan |
| 03:25.28 | Shawn|Rawr | Sponsors! |
| 03:25.28 | onetwo | :D |
| 03:25.36 | onetwo | LOL my sponsor ends up being activision |
| 03:25.40 | onetwo | i become a corporate playtoy |
| 03:25.47 | Shawn|Rawr | I'm on onetwo's team once sponsorship happens |
| 03:26.00 | onetwo | you sure? ill be subject to the whims of kotick |
| 03:26.01 | Shawn|Rawr | And Ryan.. onetwo and Ryan |
| 03:26.06 | Shawn|Rawr | MONEY!! |
| 03:26.23 | onetwo | brb eating dinner |
| 03:26.33 | Shawn|Rawr | Have fun |
| 03:27.07 | Technomancer | Well Shawn i'd love to help if possible. |
| 03:27.21 | Technomancer | do u plan on raid content? :P |
| 03:27.39 | Technomancer | is a 10.5 year mmo veteran |
| 03:28.13 | Shawn|Rawr | SCU will only be raids |
| 03:28.29 | Shawn|Rawr | We're cutting all the grinding out |
| 03:28.54 | Technomancer | sweet |
| 03:29.07 | Technomancer | in that case I have a titan model already XD |
| 03:29.21 | Technomancer | shall I send it? |
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| 03:29.35 | QueenGambit | triumphed vtmeand |
| 03:29.52 | Shawn|Rawr | Screenshot it and let me see |
| 03:29.53 | Sumo- | :/ |
| 03:29.57 | Technomancer | roger |
| 03:29.59 | Shawn|Rawr | I'll pass it to Rya |
| 03:30.02 | Shawn|Rawr | Ryan* |
| 03:30.09 | Technomancer | actually I have a gamecam vid |
| 03:30.12 | Technomancer | which would be better |
| 03:30.20 | Technomancer | I can put it on rapidshar |
| 03:30.27 | QueenGambit | cracked version of hypercam ftw |
| 03:31.02 | QueenGambit | crap, whats on today? |
| 03:31.02 | Technomancer | crap |
| 03:31.04 | Technomancer | thats whats always on |
| 03:31.09 | Shawn|Rawr | Either |
| 03:31.12 | QueenGambit | =) |
| 03:34.08 | Technomancer | JManV is there a particular kind of stair you want? |
| 03:34.26 | Technomancer | because if its just the very basic kind, thats not a problem |
| 03:34.44 | Technomancer | getting intricate is a whole other story tho |
| 03:37.26 | Shawn|Rawr | ROAR |
| 03:38.06 | Shawn|Rawr | So do you want us to use your model or is there more to it than that? |
| 03:42.35 | QueenGambit | Who wants to play Age of Empires III with me? |
| 03:45.06 | Shawn|Rawr | Technomancer |
| 03:45.29 | Shawn|Rawr | Need screenshot |
| 03:45.32 | Shawn|Rawr | :D |
| 03:51.45 | Technomancer | ok ok |
| 03:51.51 | Technomancer | on phone mang |
| 03:51.56 | Technomancer | need a bit |
| 03:52.00 | Shawn|Rawr | ok |
| 04:04.51 | QueenGambit | necro time |
| 04:04.51 | QueenGambit | http://shanghaiist.com/2011/02/09/world_of_warcraft_starcraft-themed.php?gallery0Pic=1#gallery |
| 04:09.12 | Technomancer | ok Shaw |
| 04:09.18 | Technomancer | err Shawn|Rawr |
| 04:09.26 | Technomancer | im gonna send u the rapidshare privately |
| 04:10.16 | Shawn|Rawr | The model? I don't have MAX right now.. |
| 04:10.52 | Technomancer | naw |
| 04:10.55 | Technomancer | its a avi file |
| 04:11.13 | Technomancer | the model is epic in itself but the real thing about this is the custom ability |
| 04:11.18 | Technomancer | which is also demonstrated |
| 04:12.42 | Technomancer | The only thing I need to fix afaik is the emissive. I changed it and it still glows the default blue. Well for this one I DONT reference the altered one. When I use the one with it, it glows player color despite having the proper alphas... thats all that needs work tho its still passable, you'll see |
| 04:16.21 | JManV | wood stairs? |
| 04:16.59 | JManV | i guess they're not wood |
| 04:17.07 | JManV | but i'm good at skinning things |
| 04:17.09 | JManV | http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/6/6c/Generation_IV_Red_House.png |
| 04:17.14 | JManV | that's one thought |
| 04:17.21 | Shawn|Rawr | I'm looking. Will send to Ryan soon if you dont mind. His only complaint is that if it isn't sc2 quality, it might look weird ingame |
| 04:17.22 | JManV | but i want them to be about 2x2 |
| 04:17.33 | JManV | basic stairs |
| 04:17.37 | JManV | nothing too special |
| 04:18.54 | Technomancer | its the same quality m8 |
| 04:19.17 | Technomancer | well JManV you can always SCALE the width of the stairs to as narrow or wide as u want that isnt an issue |
| 04:19.31 | JManV | true enough |
| 04:19.46 | Technomancer | even if I do make em too big or wide u can change it on your end and it'll be dandy |
| 04:19.51 | JManV | but if the ratio's not right |
| 04:20.00 | Technomancer | the ratio will be fine |
| 04:20.14 | Technomancer | ill upload a terran unit for comparison |
| 04:21.30 | Technomancer | You have to admit Shawn, that titan idea is a novel concept, turning it into a massive flying boss |
| 04:21.37 | Technomancer | and it totally looks right |
| 04:28.43 | Shawn|Rawr | It does look badass |
| 04:28.54 | Shawn|Rawr | I'm trying to convince ryan to add it into a future map |
| 04:41.24 | Technomancer | cheers man |
| 04:41.39 | Technomancer | btw ideally the emissive would be red vs blue |
| 04:41.47 | Technomancer | im workin on fixin that |
| 04:42.12 | Technomancer | I think I preferred the older version of hexedit :( |
| 04:43.22 | QueenGambit | hey what are you guys doing and I want to c |
| 04:43.26 | QueenGambit | !!! |
| 04:43.50 | Technomancer | ok ok |
| 04:44.08 | Technomancer | first can u go to the kitchen and make me a sandwich? ^_^ |
| 04:44.31 | Technomancer | (sorry, sexist humour XD ) |
| 04:44.35 | Technomancer | http://rapidshare.com/files/447113455/CustomModelDemonstration.avi |
| 04:47.21 | Technomancer | ok |
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| 04:58.24 | Razernok | hi |
| 05:04.22 | onetwo | damn this ghandi movie is good |
| 05:04.29 | onetwo | i love when oppressive and racist governments |
| 05:04.31 | onetwo | get owned |
| 05:04.51 | onetwo | i love when tv plays older movies but good ones but not too old |
| 05:13.09 | QueenGambit | yah ghandi is a good movie |
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| 05:34.14 | Technomancer | Is this ur first time seeing it? :) |
| 05:34.38 | Technomancer | I saw it first when I was 18, I was surprised I hadnt heard of it earlier, I absolutely loved it |
| 05:41.47 | onetwo | yeah pretty much, i remember parents watching it long ago |
| 05:41.49 | onetwo | but first time for me |
| 05:42.00 | onetwo | i wasnt born till 6 years after it was made |
| 05:42.19 | onetwo | but ghandi definitely has some good pointers for how we can protest the popularity system |
| 05:42.28 | onetwo | and reminds me of egypt right now actually |
| 05:42.30 | onetwo | respect |
| 05:44.45 | QueenGambit | counts on finger |
| 05:45.16 | QueenGambit | 1988! |
| 05:45.34 | onetwo | damn |
| 05:45.38 | QueenGambit | yay |
| 05:45.41 | onetwo | hmm we must kill queengambit |
| 05:45.45 | QueenGambit | =( |
| 05:45.45 | onetwo | he is too smart for his own good |
| 05:45.48 | QueenGambit | she* |
| 05:45.51 | QueenGambit | brb |
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| 05:46.00 | onetwo | we must also kill queen gambit for being a lier |
| 05:46.03 | onetwo | an e-liar |
| 05:46.05 | onetwo | liar* |
| 05:47.09 | Technomancer | wow I thought I was the youngest one here lol |
| 05:47.16 | Technomancer | (dec 1986) |
| 05:47.24 | Technomancer | guess not XD |
| 05:47.28 | onetwo | well im 22 |
| 05:47.32 | onetwo | sixen is 18 or 19 i think |
| 05:47.37 | Technomancer | really? |
| 05:47.38 | onetwo | surprisingly mature for his age |
| 05:47.50 | Technomancer | now I feel old XD |
| 05:47.55 | onetwo | meh not really |
| 05:48.00 | onetwo | when youre 30 youre old |
| 05:48.03 | onetwo | 0-29 |
| 05:48.05 | onetwo | you can get away |
| 05:48.06 | onetwo | lol |
| 05:49.09 | Shawn|Rawr | im 19 sirs |
| 05:49.15 | Shawn|Rawr | will be 20 in a couple weeks |
| 05:49.48 | Technomancer | XD |
| 05:49.57 | Technomancer | Skiz is old |
| 05:51.45 | Technomancer | well you youngbloods are pretty damn skilled in the programming dept for this shit. I barely go near triggers |
| 05:51.56 | Technomancer | data fine. triggers meh |
| 05:52.08 | Lilianna | Triggers are boring! |
| 05:52.10 | Lilianna | c.c |
| 05:52.36 | Technomancer | Well for what im focused on, I dont need em |
| 05:52.50 | Technomancer | only needed to do a TD test once and I got bored quick lol |
| 05:53.08 | Technomancer | how old are you, Lilianna? :3 |
| 05:53.13 | Lilianna | 25 |
| 05:53.23 | Lilianna | :p |
| 05:53.37 | Technomancer | ah cool |
| 05:53.51 | Lilianna | I still want to do a Pure Data TD sometime |
| 05:54.00 | Technomancer | can it be done? |
| 05:54.03 | Lilianna | Of course |
| 05:54.08 | Technomancer | U need region triggers to move the units, I thought |
| 05:54.09 | Shawn|Rawr | I'm so deep in triggers right now lol |
| 05:54.14 | Lilianna | nope you dont :) |
| 05:54.20 | Lilianna | You can issue orders and the queue up |
| 05:54.26 | Technomancer | thats one of like half a dozen triggers I learned |
| 05:54.49 | Technomancer | and how are the orders given? |
| 05:54.59 | Lilianna | Effect - Issue Order |
| 05:55.05 | Technomancer | hmmm |
| 05:55.11 | Technomancer | was unaware of that |
| 05:55.24 | Lilianna | :) |
| 05:55.41 | Lilianna | I made a map testing out the theory of a Data scripted boss |
| 05:55.50 | Lilianna | and I made barracks spawn marines every 5 seconds |
| 05:56.01 | Lilianna | and the marines would search the entire map and auto attack the boss monster |
| 05:56.15 | Technomancer | well that I think I can do, but the pathing is different |
| 05:56.16 | Lilianna | the boss would run around killing the marines and auto cast an aoe stun every 15 seconds |
| 05:56.40 | Lilianna | you can also make invisible area units |
| 05:56.51 | Lilianna | that when a unit comes into range of it, it orders them to go somewhere else |
| 05:56.56 | Lilianna | if you want to be more dynamic about it |
| 05:57.14 | Lilianna | sorta like a Xel'naga watchtower, but with an issue order |
| 05:57.18 | Technomancer | is there any literature on these things u mentioned? |
| 05:57.41 | Lilianna | Prozaic Muse wrote a Berserk/Fear tutorial |
| 05:58.12 | Lilianna | that would be a good place to start |
| 05:58.17 | Lilianna | the Fear especially |
| 06:04.45 | onetwo | afk playing cs source |
| 06:05.32 | Stragus | 27 here! I feel old now too ;) |
| 06:06.00 | Stragus | But hey, it helps to be a good programer with experience for map making too |
| 06:07.07 | Shawn|Rawr | Psh. I do this because I cant find a job |
| 06:07.14 | Shawn|Rawr | Not that this helps a whole lot for that lol |
| 06:07.29 | Technomancer | It actually helps me build to my portfolio lol |
| 06:07.39 | Technomancer | seeing as im a digital artist and all |
| 06:07.47 | Technomancer | well 3d is one of my mediums. I also do lego sculpture :P |
| 06:07.56 | Stragus | For a digital artist, that could be good yes |
| 06:08.05 | Stragus | I don't think I should put that stuff in my resume :p |
| 06:08.16 | Stragus | Lego! I love Lego |
| 06:08.43 | Technomancer | http://technomancer-prime.deviantart.com/gallery/23510075#/d29ofyy |
| 06:08.51 | Stragus | Lately, I started building a robotized walker able to turn : http://www.rayforce.net/legogoliath2.jpg |
| 06:09.00 | Stragus | So yes, I'm 27 and I even still play with Legos |
| 06:09.15 | Technomancer | meh im 24, its not like its a big dif between us lol |
| 06:09.22 | Sumo- | lol |
| 06:09.22 | QueenGambit | wow that is amazing. You cannot be too old to play legos |
| 06:09.26 | Technomancer | does it use mindstorms? |
| 06:09.31 | Sumo- | im 26 i'd play with legos |
| 06:09.54 | QueenGambit | If I give you an 8-bit picture, can u built it? |
| 06:10.05 | Technomancer | Yeah I can build anything :P |
| 06:10.06 | Stragus | Yes Techmo, but also with PF motors overclocked 12 volts |
| 06:10.13 | Technomancer | but the question is: what incentive will u give me? |
| 06:10.22 | Sumo- | i will give u 3 lulz |
| 06:10.29 | Stragus | A 2 legged walker able to turn was actually really tricky! |
| 06:10.45 | Technomancer | yes Stragus I can appreciate the difficulty, which is why I havent tried it with mindstorms XD |
| 06:10.47 | Stragus | And I use custom-made aluminum beams, plastic isn't strong/long enough |
| 06:11.11 | Technomancer | pivoting and keeping balance is the issue |
| 06:11.34 | Technomancer | and it'd need.... equipment not in the official sensor ensemble |
| 06:11.34 | Stragus | You can see the turning tables in the legs, at the knees. It's a very unusual way of turning for a walking robot |
| 06:11.39 | Stragus | But it works! |
| 06:11.50 | Technomancer | does it? |
| 06:11.52 | Sumo- | video |
| 06:11.54 | Sumo- | or u lies |
| 06:11.55 | QueenGambit | Top left image: http://i115.piczo.com/view/3/b/0/3/1/o/n/z/s/o/y/p/img/i304889372_43901_4.jpg |
| 06:12.05 | Stragus | Never made a video of it |
| 06:12.20 | Technomancer | yes hon I can build it. Again, give me a reason why I should. its time + money :P |
| 06:12.27 | Sumo- | 3 lulz |
| 06:12.32 | Technomancer | quiet you |
| 06:12.35 | Sumo- | thy would be internet lulz |
| 06:12.39 | Sumo- | so they are higher in value |
| 06:12.49 | Technomancer | can I eat or pay for a lap dance with em? |
| 06:12.52 | Technomancer | then gtfo |
| 06:13.09 | Sumo- | ur could goto lulslutz.com and trade them in? |
| 06:13.20 | Technomancer | gas grass or ass is my policy |
| 06:13.54 | Sumo- | i'll give u gass! |
| 06:14.27 | Stragus | Does nitrogen count as a gas? |
| 06:16.14 | Stragus | Techno, regarding Legos, a big bottleneck I was always faced with was that plastic wasn't robust enough |
| 06:16.33 | Technomancer | You pivot it at the thight, right? |
| 06:16.33 | Stragus | Whenever trying to put enough torque to move a remote control vehicule fast, or whatever else |
| 06:16.41 | Stragus | At the knees |
| 06:16.49 | Technomancer | so the angle of the foot changes and when it lifts up the other that affects... well semantics, u get what I mean |
| 06:16.57 | Technomancer | its the same concept at that level |
| 06:17.06 | Technomancer | its if you get to the ankle or waist its different |
| 06:17.17 | Technomancer | <- engineering major for 2 years |
| 06:17.26 | Stragus | Right, it's just a bit unusual |
| 06:17.45 | Technomancer | well I meant that it rotates in the socket |
| 06:17.50 | Technomancer | not bends at the thigh |
| 06:17.57 | Technomancer | more like spins |
| 06:18.07 | Technomancer | I want to see a vid of ur idea dude |
| 06:18.15 | Technomancer | I've been to Brickfair a few times |
| 06:18.16 | Stragus | The horizontal rotation is done in the knees |
| 06:18.32 | Stragus | With a little axle that we can't see behind the beams forming the leg |
| 06:18.35 | Technomancer | right but HOW, do u have motors there? |
| 06:18.48 | Technomancer | at the knee, in the leg? |
| 06:19.01 | Stragus | There are PF med/XL motors in the top part |
| 06:19.13 | Stragus | And an axle communicates the torque from the top section, with universal joints |
| 06:19.18 | Technomancer | Power Functions? the new ones? |
| 06:19.22 | Stragus | ( to follow the moving legs ) |
| 06:19.25 | Stragus | Yes |
| 06:19.46 | Stragus | Also using custom battery boxes with 8 AA batteries instead of 6 |
| 06:20.04 | Technomancer | custom battery boxes...where u get em? or did u make it urself? |
| 06:20.35 | Stragus | Oh, just plain black holding boxes for 8 batteries that you can buy in batches, with 2 little cables sticking out |
| 06:20.48 | Stragus | You just connect the cables to standard PF cables |
| 06:20.55 | Technomancer | ah I havent used PF yet, I didnt know the nature of their wired connection |
| 06:21.08 | Technomancer | because like mindstorms for instance they are very specific lol |
| 06:21.09 | QueenGambit | who wants to play SC music galaxy with me? |
| 06:21.34 | Stragus | That kind of stuff but 8 batteries : http://www.arenddeboer.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/4_aa_battery_holder1.jpg |
| 06:21.37 | Sumo- | i'll play |
| 06:21.40 | Sumo- | did u upgrade the map? |
| 06:21.44 | QueenGambit | maybe =D |
| 06:22.18 | Sumo- | now u cant complain about having testers available like me |
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| 06:25.19 | Demalii | ~seen currydevil |
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| 06:43.01 | Razernok | anyone know how to add a calldown to a unit? |
| 06:43.13 | Razernok | for example nuke |
| 06:45.44 | Razernok | nvm |
| 06:49.06 | Technomancer | uh is there ANYONE else one who does textures? |
| 06:55.33 | Stragus | Razernok, add event to create actor whenever some ability/effect/behavior/whatever is triggering it |
| 06:55.52 | Razernok | huh? |
| 06:56.00 | Razernok | what are you talking about? |
| 06:56.23 | Stragus | What do you mean by "adding a calldown"? |
| 06:56.34 | Razernok | nvm i said |
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| 07:05.18 | Mrop | hello |
| 07:06.24 | Stragus | Hi |
| 07:06.43 | Razernok | weird, pressing the nuke button myself on the ghost then clicking a unit locks the Indicator onto the unit. but if I use a trigger to cast the nuke from my ghost onto the unit it goes to the point instead |
| 07:07.49 | Stragus | This all depends on actor attachment and site operations |
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| 07:08.02 | Razernok | which i don't understand at all |
| 07:08.48 | Razernok | set as FieldGhost Nuke Indicator "Hosting - Host +::Host Target:Implicit:Implicit:(None):Disabled" |
| 07:10.07 | Razernok | no idea what anything in the data editor means though |
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| 07:17.22 | MrOp | does anyone know how to set #SC2Mapster to auto log in every time |
| 07:17.30 | MrOp | sort of trusty with MirC |
| 07:17.35 | MrOp | rusty |
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| 07:18.36 | Stragus | I'm sure google knows with "mirc auto-join" |
| 07:19.31 | MrOp | thanks XD |
| 07:20.04 | Shawn|Rawr | http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=23735143&f=34 |
| 07:20.08 | Shawn|Rawr | i think that is the one |
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| 07:25.10 | Icebane | Aloha! |
| 07:25.42 | onetwo | hi |
| 07:26.11 | Icebane | yaay! response! |
| 07:26.40 | Icebane | So did Kaelten figure why the page went down yesterday? |
| 07:29.45 | Razernok | grrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 07:30.27 | Icebane | ? =O |
| 07:30.43 | onetwo | hmm |
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| 07:34.32 | QueenGambit | does anyone know how to play piano? |
| 07:34.48 | Icebane | I'm sure someone knows how! :) |
| 07:34.56 | QueenGambit | is that someone is you!? |
| 07:35.13 | Icebane | Nope but I have a friend who's pretty much awesome at the piano xD |
| 07:35.14 | QueenGambit | I wanna play Zelda songs but i need someone to play another part |
| 07:35.25 | Icebane | tried youtube? |
| 07:35.46 | QueenGambit | it'd be more fun to play it ourselves |
| 07:36.08 | QueenGambit | plus my map lags atm so i won't be able to keep up with the mouse clicking and the scrolling |
| 07:36.22 | JademusSreg | Why does it lag? |
| 07:36.51 | QueenGambit | im using triggers that "shouldn't be used unless absolutely necssary" says so on the editor lol |
| 07:36.54 | Icebane | oh you have some kind of music-making map? xD |
| 07:37.00 | QueenGambit | yah wanna try it?? |
| 07:37.01 | QueenGambit | its fun |
| 07:37.19 | Icebane | hmm, but I bet you're on the US right? |
| 07:37.20 | JademusSreg | Use a single trigger and lots of conditions. |
| 07:38.00 | QueenGambit | an earlier version is only uploaded on bnet but I have reccently got help from sumo- who redid my triggers |
| 07:38.07 | JademusSreg | Is the name of the map Zergy Loops Studio? That would be good times. |
| 07:38.16 | QueenGambit | lol that would be funny |
| 07:38.27 | Icebane | Wouldn't the map run better if you had a lot of triggers with a lot of events instead? |
| 07:38.27 | QueenGambit | its not a loops kind of map, its gonna eventually be a music RP map |
| 07:38.32 | Icebane | so you dont need to compare? |
| 07:38.38 | Icebane | in terms of "running smoothly" |
| 07:39.01 | JademusSreg | Naw, it's the events causing all the network traffic. |
| 07:39.03 | JademusSreg | iirc |
| 07:39.40 | Icebane | really? |
| 07:39.57 | Icebane | so you should try to get rid of as many events as possible? |
| 07:40.14 | QueenGambit | hmm interesting |
| 07:40.33 | JademusSreg | For instance, instead of an event detecting for each mouse input type, or each keyboard key, you can use a single trigger for the appropriate type. |
| 07:40.46 | Stragus | It's better to catch an event in just one trigger and do a bunch of if() than having many different triggers catching the event |
| 07:40.49 | QueenGambit | hmm i c |
| 07:40.52 | JademusSreg | And then have conditions of some sort check the event object in question. |
| 07:41.23 | Icebane | alright =) |
| 07:41.28 | Icebane | I've always wondered that xD |
| 07:41.33 | Icebane | if it had any effect |
| 07:41.36 | QueenGambit | cool i'll look into that |
| 07:41.41 | Icebane | ty for enlighting me :> |
| 07:41.53 | Stragus | In Galaxy scripts, there are also ways to register events only for specific units/whatever... unlike in GUI triggers |
| 07:42.20 | Stragus | For example, you don't want to register to the event "uses ability" for all units if you only need to check for a handful of units. Better register the trigger specifically for these units |
| 07:42.21 | JademusSreg | I write in galaxy, so that wouldn't be a problem. |
| 07:43.03 | QueenGambit | hehe, if i run into trouble, i'll let you guys know =D |
| 07:43.26 | QueenGambit | writes down JademusStreg and Stragus and Icebane |
| 07:43.37 | JademusSreg | *Sreg |
| 07:43.47 | JademusSreg | =) |
| 07:43.57 | MrOp | does anyone know how to set #SC2Mapster to auto log in every time |
| 07:44.05 | MrOp | google seems to be unhelpfull |
| 07:44.08 | JademusSreg | Depends on the client, mate. |
| 07:44.08 | MrOp | @#$#@$ |
| 07:44.11 | Icebane | I see Stragus :) |
| 07:44.14 | Icebane | very good to know |
| 07:44.26 | MrOp | jade i have the basic one |
| 07:44.28 | Icebane | You do that QueenGambit ;) |
| 07:44.33 | MrOp | just Mirc |
| 07:44.43 | MrOp | is there a better client to use |
| 07:45.00 | QueenGambit | i just use webchat.freenode.net |
| 07:45.09 | JademusSreg | If you want it to auto log and/or auto ns for you, you'd need to write or at least CnP a script. |
| 07:45.24 | MrOp | er i did it before |
| 07:45.24 | JademusSreg | *autolog on startup. |
| 07:45.30 | MrOp | yea jade that |
| 07:45.46 | MrOp | had to replace my HD |
| 07:45.48 | MrOp | so i forgot |
| 07:45.50 | JademusSreg | If you want to it autolog on server connect, that can be done in their GUI stuff under Favorites. |
| 07:46.23 | JademusSreg | That's get you into the channel. |
| 07:46.29 | JademusSreg | *'ll |
| 07:46.36 | MrOp | jade i sent you a private IM |
| 07:47.46 | Icebane | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_IRC_clients |
| 07:48.35 | Icebane | checkout that link MrOp |
| 07:49.12 | MrOp | k |
| 07:51.15 | Razernok | kicks the damn galaxy editor |
| 07:51.54 | Icebane | Whut happen? .< |
| 07:51.55 | Icebane | :< * |
| 07:52.22 | JademusSreg | I can only imagine a crash is worth kicking the editor. |
| 07:54.19 | onetwo | freenode 4 life bbay |
| 07:54.23 | onetwo | baby* |
| 07:54.32 | Icebane | Then you wasn't in the beta galaxy editor xD |
| 07:54.37 | Icebane | weren't |
| 07:54.44 | JademusSreg | Sure I was. |
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| 07:54.55 | JademusSreg | I had a blast. |
| 07:55.33 | JademusSreg | Data editor is a piece of cake once you've read the xml files. |
| 07:56.17 | Stragus | Understanding the XML files really help a lot, yes |
| 07:56.18 | Icebane | oh but there was more than crashes that sucked in the beta |
| 07:56.40 | Icebane | yepp |
| 07:56.46 | Icebane | but xml sure is a piece of cake |
| 07:57.01 | JademusSreg | Oh, I remember some ridiculous crashes even after beta. Like clicking on certain campaign upgrades. |
| 07:57.13 | JademusSreg | You know, the ones that don't exist. |
| 07:57.22 | JademusSreg | Like Dark Templar - Guerilla Tactics |
| 07:57.42 | Stragus | "Guerrila tactics", for dark templar? That really doesn't sound right ;) |
| 07:57.46 | Icebane | yeah <.< |
| 07:57.58 | onetwo | hi vj |
| 07:57.58 | JademusSreg | I think it was a protoss research-related tech. |
| 07:58.08 | Stragus | The name was terrible |
| 07:58.19 | JademusSreg | Apparently it was cut, but not enough to keep from crashing the editor. =P |
| 07:59.00 | Icebane | I dare anyone to create a new "what do you think at the pop-system"-thread at the forums! |
| 07:59.23 | progammer | Icebane: challenge accepted ? :P |
| 07:59.30 | Icebane | Hahaha, do it! |
| 07:59.37 | progammer | jk |
| 07:59.39 | Icebane | Xara will go 'FFFFFFUUU' |
| 07:59.44 | onetwo | on gorandors birthday |
| 07:59.48 | progammer | yeah he will delete it anyway |
| 07:59.50 | onetwo | lets have me, progammer, sixen, vjeux |
| 07:59.51 | JademusSreg | Which forums? The one where people rage against a sleek blue background or the one where people talk about being rejected by girls? |
| 07:59.52 | onetwo | each make separate posts |
| 07:59.56 | onetwo | whining about popularity |
| 08:00.01 | MrOp | does anyone know if you can get blizzard dota models yet |
| 08:00.08 | Icebane | hahahahha |
| 08:00.13 | onetwo | lol |
| 08:00.13 | progammer | MrOp: dota, not yet |
| 08:00.15 | onetwo | have all the moderators |
| 08:00.15 | Icebane | thats the best idea ever onetwo |
| 08:00.18 | progammer | but chief and l2d yes |
| 08:00.31 | progammer | yeah flood the forum |
| 08:00.33 | progammer | with that |
| 08:00.37 | MrOp | any idea when it will be released |
| 08:00.46 | JademusSreg | Well, the latest patch had some data I extracted but haven't looked at. Trigger (no extension) files from Blizzard Dota and Stariablo. |
| 08:00.57 | progammer | MrOp: no idea, but def not soonish |
| 08:01.02 | progammer | around soon tm |
| 08:01.02 | onetwo | WHATS STARIABLO |
| 08:01.04 | Icebane | oh when I say "the" forums I mean the mapsters forum ofc ;) |
| 08:01.05 | *** join/#sc2mapster Helral|Work (~BenZegvel@217-19-29-249.dsl.cambrium.nl) |
| 08:01.08 | MrOp | that sucks |
| 08:01.12 | JademusSreg | Dunno. Probably Starcraft + Diablo. |
| 08:01.22 | progammer | onetwo: stariable and some other maps |
| 08:01.25 | onetwo | lol they end up using my diablo system from my tutorials |
| 08:01.26 | progammer | i think they planned |
| 08:01.28 | onetwo | woudl be hilarious |
| 08:01.36 | JademusSreg | Sounds like it, programmer. |
| 08:01.54 | JademusSreg | I still have notepad++ open, so let's peek! |
| 08:01.58 | *** join/#sc2mapster Helral (~BenZegvel@217-19-26-88.dsl.cambrium.nl) |
| 08:02.13 | progammer | onetwo: this one http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/634/48447838.jpg |
| 08:02.45 | JademusSreg | Yep. The trigger files are here. |
| 08:02.46 | onetwo | cant wait to try it |
| 08:02.49 | onetwo | RPG has been neglected |
| 08:02.50 | onetwo | in sc2 |
| 08:02.57 | onetwo | officially and in community |
| 08:03.00 | JademusSreg | I guess you could inject them into a map and open it to see it. |
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| 08:03.19 | onetwo | why dont you inject yourself into me? |
| 08:03.22 | onetwo | ZINGGGGGG |
| 08:03.23 | onetwo | wait |
| 08:03.25 | JademusSreg | Sure. |
| 08:03.26 | onetwo | that burns myself |
| 08:03.27 | progammer | JademusSreg: there's not much code there |
| 08:03.28 | Icebane | morning Helral! |
| 08:03.28 | MrOp | o speaking of that if i wanted to import stuff from the bliz map how would i do that or can someone send me a tut on how to |
| 08:03.29 | onetwo | nvm |
| 08:03.30 | Helral|Work | or just open them with notepad. |
| 08:03.30 | JademusSreg | You get the lube. |
| 08:03.36 | progammer | some spell example maybe |
| 08:03.39 | Helral|HomePC | morning |
| 08:03.44 | MrOp | i looked on the import mod thing and i didnt see anything |
| 08:04.10 | Helral|Work | click on the battlenet tab |
| 08:04.16 | progammer | MrOp: find the thread where i uploaded the mods |
| 08:04.25 | MrOp | can u send me a link pleaes |
| 08:04.30 | progammer | basically the mod is on bnet |
| 08:04.32 | MrOp | please* |
| 08:04.33 | progammer | but u need one |
| 08:04.37 | progammer | to work locally |
| 08:04.48 | Helral|Work | MrOp: click on the bnet tab, and login. |
| 08:04.59 | Helral|Work | progammer: not if you just want to use their Assets. |
| 08:05.03 | JademusSreg | This should be amusing. |
| 08:05.13 | progammer | Helral|Work: you need to test locally anyway |
| 08:05.25 | progammer | so whatever you do, you need a local file to work with |
| 08:05.31 | Helral|Work | progammer: you can do that with the file from bnet |
| 08:05.41 | Helral|Work | progammer: it gets downloaded to your pc when testing. |
| 08:05.43 | onetwo | LOL trump |
| 08:05.46 | onetwo | china is evil |
| 08:06.04 | onetwo | theyre 'taking over' US |
| 08:06.05 | progammer | Helral|Work: can you test locally with dependencies on bnet ? at least it wont work with you intenet down |
| 08:06.25 | Helral|Work | true won't work without internet, but with internet it does. |
| 08:06.36 | JademusSreg | Yep. |
| 08:06.40 | Razernok | grrrrr |
| 08:06.46 | JademusSreg | Pretty simple to just inject the data into a map. |
| 08:06.55 | progammer | post 11 |
| 08:06.58 | progammer | MrOp: http://forums.sc2mapster.com/general/general-chat/17712-blizzard-releases-3-4-custom-blizz-con-maps/#posts |
| 08:06.58 | Helral|Work | progammer: my maps assets are on bnet and not local configured. |
| 08:07.08 | Icebane | damn clock |
| 08:07.13 | progammer | but you have your mod in your computer ? |
| 08:07.13 | MrOp | um uberness found it |
| 08:07.17 | MrOp | PWNED |
| 08:07.18 | Icebane | gosh I gtg guys, talk to you later |
| 08:07.27 | Helral|Work | uhm somewhere I think. ;p |
| 08:07.28 | Icebane | lets plan more on this bot flooding of the forums ;) |
| 08:07.30 | Helral|Work | cya Icebane |
| 08:07.37 | Icebane | Icebane| at dem schools |
| 08:07.47 | MrOp | uh |
| 08:07.50 | progammer | Helral|Work: so its like that, if you depends on their map you need it somewhere on your comp |
| 08:08.01 | progammer | though the directory can be anywhere |
| 08:09.49 | Helral|Work | well the sc2editor already downloaded it for me and placed it somewhere. |
| 08:10.41 | MrOp | amoung the list of hero tuts who is the best person to look at |
| 08:11.00 | onetwo | i dont know about hero tuts but im the best to look at |
| 08:11.15 | MrOp | you have like 4 of them |
| 08:11.16 | MrOp | XD |
| 08:11.22 | MrOp | i was just thinking of you |
| 08:11.29 | MrOp | wow its like we are connected |
| 08:11.31 | MrOp | XD |
| 08:11.34 | Helral|Work | whistles |
| 08:11.36 | Helral|Work | meows |
| 08:11.50 | MrOp | i like your tuts anyway |
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| 08:12.25 | onetwo | video tuts arent for everyone though |
| 08:12.43 | JademusSreg | Yar. |
| 08:13.01 | Vindicator | i just updated the main wiki page and want opinions of whether u like where i'm going with the look or not - still making a few more minor changes but i'm mostly done |
| 08:14.29 | QueenGambit | hmm, i like it when it was in a list format but i guess it could be an easy adjustment |
| 08:17.49 | Stragus | I profoundly dislike video tutorials, and I never watch any |
| 08:18.12 | Vindicator | i like'em =D gogo onetwo |
| 08:18.37 | Vindicator | I profoundly dislike textual tutorials, and I never read any =D |
| 08:18.39 | onetwo | hence why i am going to include transcripts of all my video tuts now |
| 08:18.47 | onetwo | cause i do prefer searching and reading text tutorials |
| 08:18.49 | JademusSreg | Nice. |
| 08:18.50 | onetwo | but i prefer making video |
| 08:19.11 | Stragus | It's waaayyy too slow, when you can't just skip over the part that's relevant to you. With text, you can extract the information you need in seconds |
| 08:19.24 | JademusSreg | Yes. |
| 08:19.31 | Stragus | skip over to* the part that's relevant |
| 08:20.02 | onetwo | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/tutorials/17730-video-3rd-person-rpg/#p10 |
| 08:20.05 | onetwo | see for my last one |
| 08:20.11 | onetwo | i took my text plan i make before the tut |
| 08:20.14 | onetwo | cleaned it up a bit |
| 08:20.29 | onetwo | its not a full text tut |
| 08:20.35 | onetwo | but i think it helps |
| 08:21.07 | onetwo | utlimately if i was being paid or made money from tuts id have my own website with video tuts side by side to text tutorials with images |
| 08:21.09 | onetwo | co-released |
| 08:21.14 | JademusSreg | Has anyone written a good Ln function yet? I tried several different implementations, but have pretty much given up on accuracy in favor of speed. |
| 08:21.16 | onetwo | but my time isnt free |
| 08:21.18 | onetwo | so nope |
| 08:21.56 | Stragus | I thought there was a log() function in Galaxy? |
| 08:22.15 | JademusSreg | Log2 |
| 08:22.24 | JademusSreg | Unless my files are way out of date. |
| 08:22.50 | Stragus | Does it return fixed? You can use that to compute any logarithm |
| 08:22.57 | soundsnc_ | is there by chance a way to make a unit a detector via trigger? |
| 08:23.18 | Stragus | Give it a detector behavior |
| 08:23.27 | JademusSreg | native fixed Log2 (fixed x); Yes. |
| 08:25.01 | Stragus | Then log2( foo ) / log2( 2.718281828 ) |
| 08:25.07 | onetwo | Æ |
| 08:25.10 | onetwo | does that work |
| 08:25.21 | onetwo | © |
| 08:25.41 | JademusSreg | Ugh. Might be worth a try, though. |
| 08:26.07 | Stragus | Precompute log2( 2.718281828 ) obviously, compute the inverse and multiply by it |
| 08:26.14 | onetwo | that has to be the nerdiest thing ever said |
| 08:26.18 | onetwo | haha |
| 08:26.31 | onetwo | and i understand it |
| 08:26.31 | JademusSreg | No wai. |
| 08:26.40 | JademusSreg | Math is sexy. |
| 08:26.46 | Stragus | Or forget turning the division into multiplication by inverse... A typical optimization for a low-level programmer, may not matter much here |
| 08:26.47 | onetwo | you should OBVIOUSLY precompute log2(2.718281828) |
| 08:26.50 | onetwo | god.. so obvious |
| 08:26.52 | onetwo | idiots!! |
| 08:26.52 | onetwo | lol |
| 08:27.32 | Stragus | Ah geez :), my job is writing highly optimized software. Sorry :p |
| 08:27.39 | JademusSreg | I'm playing with procedural generation for a supermap poc. |
| 08:27.52 | Helral|Work | meow |
| 08:27.54 | onetwo | meh too nerdy its fake |
| 08:28.08 | onetwo | "Precompute log2( 2.718281828 ) obviously, compute the inverse and multiply by it" has a perfect tinge to it |
| 08:28.46 | JademusSreg | Supermap, made of maps. Though in the case the map refers to a group of units that function as board objects. |
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| 08:34.50 | Razernok | kicks the damn galaxy editor |
| 08:37.58 | onetwo | well martul atleast you can edit the UI layout now |
| 08:38.03 | onetwo | remember back in beta you couldnt |
| 08:38.11 | onetwo | but i guess youre onto something else now eh? |
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| 08:46.05 | Icebane_ | lurking @ school |
| 08:46.18 | Icebane_ | Icebane | lurking @ school |
| 08:46.20 | Icebane_ | Heya! :D |
| 08:46.28 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 08:46.29 | onetwo | brb playing cs source again |
| 08:46.29 | Icebane_ | Oh god I misspelled it AGAIN! |
| 08:46.41 | Icebane_ | Icebane | lurking @ school |
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| 08:46.54 | Icebane_ | AND WHY DID I DO AN EMOTE of that? god I'm tired :( |
| 08:47.49 | Icebane_ | So whats everyone doing? ^ |
| 08:48.07 | JademusSreg | Adding new natives to my autocomplete. |
| 08:48.09 | Icebane_ | I'm on this really boring class so you better entertain me! |
| 08:48.18 | Icebane_ | AutoComplete? ^^ |
| 08:48.27 | JademusSreg | Autocomplete for Notepad++. |
| 08:48.46 | Icebane_ | I have no idea of wha that is! ^^^ |
| 08:48.59 | JademusSreg | Galaxy syntax highlighting and autocomplete. |
| 08:49.52 | Helral|Work | meows |
| 08:50.01 | QueenGambit | lol u don't know what notepad++ is? |
| 08:50.25 | Helral|Work | the opposite of notepad-- *grins* |
| 08:50.48 | Icebane_ | oh cool! :D |
| 08:51.03 | Icebane_ | No I haven't done very much of hard programming at all |
| 08:51.13 | QueenGambit | what class are you in right now? |
| 08:51.50 | Icebane_ | I'm not sure the name of it, Society & Justice? |
| 08:52.12 | QueenGambit | ahh ur taking a criminal justice class |
| 08:52.17 | QueenGambit | sounds 2nd year i think |
| 08:53.22 | Helral|Work | class Justice extends Society? :P |
| 08:53.28 | Icebane_ | oh I'm doing college studies atm to improve a little bit, I applied for videogamedesign on uni last year and I was SOOO close to come in |
| 08:53.33 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 08:53.38 | Icebane_ | I because "1st reserve" |
| 08:53.42 | Icebane_ | became* |
| 08:54.19 | Helral|Work | you joined the military instead? *grins* |
| 08:54.51 | Icebane_ | no no |
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| 08:55.02 | Icebane_ | its just some course that I get additional points for |
| 08:55.08 | Icebane_ | when enrolling for that course |
| 08:55.09 | Helral|Work | what aren't the "reserves" from the military? |
| 08:55.11 | Helral|Work | meows |
| 08:55.11 | JademusSreg | Going for the high score? |
| 08:55.28 | Icebane_ | I would never waste my precious time in the army |
| 08:55.29 | Icebane_ | duuh |
| 08:55.33 | Icebane_ | I have mods to do! |
| 08:55.36 | Icebane_ | and other games! |
| 08:55.51 | Razernok | :( |
| 08:55.52 | JademusSreg | College Education: The Arcade Game |
| 08:57.31 | Icebane_ | nyah nyah, I'm aiming for a 3 year exam in videogame design =D |
| 08:57.39 | Icebane_ | hopefully I'll come in this year |
| 08:57.42 | Icebane_ | the coming autumn |
| 08:58.15 | Icebane_ | Gosh the teacher is explaining a forum platform which the school is using |
| 08:58.27 | Icebane_ | to me it seems like he thinks all of us are idiots xd |
| 08:58.38 | Icebane_ | NOO! He just said we gotta move to another classroom :< |
| 08:58.49 | Icebane_ | to discuss otherworldly problems |
| 08:58.52 | Icebane_ | so I gtg now |
| 08:58.53 | Icebane_ | laters! :D |
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| 09:00.39 | Helral|Work | College RPG. play now as a student who goes to school and has boring classes. |
| 09:01.47 | JademusSreg | Take out loans and grind through poverty, pay thousands of dollars for the opportunity to gain levels. |
| 09:01.57 | MrOp | does anyone know anything about voidcraft |
| 09:02.00 | JademusSreg | So, basically, it's WoW I guess. |
| 09:02.30 | MrOp | my question is is that a custom model or a bliz model |
| 09:02.43 | MrOp | here is the link http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/project-workplace/15496-void-craft/ |
| 09:02.43 | JademusSreg | Which what? |
| 09:03.38 | Stragus | Definitely custom model |
| 09:03.46 | MrOp | o |
| 09:05.26 | QueenGambit | voidcraft looks fun |
| 09:05.52 | JademusSreg | Looks more interesting than Starbattleshipsinspace. |
| 09:05.53 | QueenGambit | i'd like to play an RP spaceship map if someone is interested in making one |
| 09:06.08 | Stragus | Attacking buildings on top of a ship looks a bit weird |
| 09:06.18 | Stragus | RP? |
| 09:06.29 | QueenGambit | Role Play |
| 09:06.51 | Stragus | I'm curious how you think of role playing with spaceships |
| 09:07.14 | Helral|Work | you dock at a station and go to a bar while not playing space pirate orso ;p |
| 09:07.32 | Helral|Work | there was a SC1 Spaceship RP map ;p |
| 09:07.44 | QueenGambit | i might've played that |
| 09:07.45 | JademusSreg | I am Admiral Bilious Slick, commander of the FSS Vast Croak. |
| 09:08.07 | Helral|Work | I am the guy standing next to you with my gun aimed at you. |
| 09:08.08 | JademusSreg | Am I doing it right? |
| 09:08.17 | Helral|Work | meows |
| 09:08.28 | JademusSreg | You can be Nepeta. |
| 09:08.43 | Helral|Work | I'm Helral, can't you see that? ;p |
| 09:08.57 | Helral|Work | tha infamous spacecat pirate ;p |
| 09:09.28 | JademusSreg | Ah. So a common anime trope. Got it. |
| 09:09.38 | Stragus | QueenGambit, what kind of gameplay you would see for such a map? |
| 09:09.42 | Helral|Work | roflol |
| 09:09.42 | Helral|Work | I'm just fooling about |
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| 09:10.07 | QueenGambit | what helral and jademus is doing |
| 09:10.25 | QueenGambit | just simply chat away and get into character |
| 09:10.28 | QueenGambit | corny but fun |
| 09:10.54 | JademusSreg | Fooling around joking? Or fooling around don't-tell-your-parents-about-our-illicit-relationship? |
| 09:11.07 | Helral|Work | ssshhhht |
| 09:11.58 | QueenGambit | i thought the supply depots looked cool on that BC |
| 09:12.48 | JademusSreg | I looks silly, yes, but the gameplay might see it through; it might be worth playing, and may improve visually at some point, as well. |
| 09:14.00 | JademusSreg | Not like SC1 modding, where you knew Freiza would always be a crappy zealot in a crappy map forever. |
| 09:19.13 | Helral|Work | freeza always a zealot? |
| 09:19.50 | JademusSreg | I'm guessing; I don't actually remember what unit was used in whatever DBZ map. |
| 09:20.19 | Helral|Work | uhm vulture, HT with attack, uhm and 2 more phases. at least in the version I played ;p |
| 09:20.35 | Helral|Work | zealots where trunks and vegeta I think. |
| 09:20.52 | JademusSreg | Nuuuuu brain pollution. |
| 09:20.59 | JademusSreg | Ack. |
| 09:20.59 | Helral|Work | but those maps got boring. |
| 09:21.08 | Helral|Work | I could solo them :( |
| 09:21.24 | JademusSreg | Reminds me of the worst thing ever: Map Tong Hop. |
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| 09:26.54 | JademusSreg | Sleep time. |
| 09:26.57 | Vindicator | is there a reference for all the sc2mapster wiki syntax anywhere |
| 09:27.09 | Helral|Work | hmmm? |
| 09:27.15 | Helral|Work | you mean the wikicreole stuff or? |
| 09:27.28 | Vindicator | whatever would list things like ===== or |= |
| 09:27.42 | Vindicator | i'm just wondering if there's neat stuff that people haven't been using much or at all |
| 09:28.32 | Helral|Work | http://www.wikicreole.org/wiki/CheatSheet <-- that list? |
| 09:28.38 | QueenGambit | eew DBZ map =/ |
| 09:29.18 | Vindicator | ya that looks right, thanks =D |
| 09:35.30 | Razernok | grrrrrrrrr |
| 09:35.32 | Razernok | :( |
| 09:38.22 | Razernok | damn spell work right :( |
| 09:51.43 | MrOp | later all |
| 09:52.19 | Icebane | Now I'm home again! |
| 09:52.32 | Icebane | Goddamn snow! |
| 10:03.53 | QueenGambit | still having snow huh? |
| 10:07.25 | Icebane | it started snowing TODAY, it all thawed away and I thought spring was coming |
| 10:07.29 | Icebane | but now this semi-snowstorm <.< |
| 10:12.46 | Icebane | I should study math atm |
| 10:12.52 | Icebane | but god its so boring |
| 10:13.11 | Icebane | or maybe not so bring, its just theat the editor is so much more fun ;P |
| 10:29.23 | Icebane | whistles in the unending silence. |
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| 11:19.53 | QueenGambit | what math you working on? i could help you out |
| 11:20.18 | QueenGambit | Icebane |
| 11:22.53 | Icebane | Oh hi! :) |
| 11:23.08 | Hati | Vindicator there's a list of stuff supported on mapsterwiki |
| 11:23.12 | Icebane | uuhm well at the moment I'm not aware of any problems with my project |
| 11:23.44 | Icebane | unless you know how to add a "button" (with hover-toolclip) to a dialog |
| 11:23.44 | Hati | Vindicator: http://wiki.sc2mapster.com/markup-types/wiki-creole/ |
| 11:23.55 | Icebane | and I'm not talking the "dialog item - button" |
| 11:24.02 | Icebane | but the thin from command cards |
| 11:28.01 | Icebane | oh Gambit left -.- |
| 11:28.02 | Icebane | oh well |
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| 12:02.30 | Hati | http://www.kongregate.com/games/Dom2D/geek-mind |
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| 12:30.55 | Xaragoth | Oh well |
| 12:31.04 | Xaragoth | Our ladies are displeased with the immaturity in the gender poll |
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| 12:37.18 | Helral|HomePC | gender poll? |
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| 12:46.01 | Xaragoth | ye the vote thread |
| 12:46.08 | Xaragoth | they don't seem to like it |
| 12:51.51 | Xaragoth | so, ye "Heaven has no rage like love to hatred turned, Nor hell a fury like a woman scorned." ... Better close it before they rip the mods apart :o |
| 13:04.16 | Helral|Work | Xaragoth: well at least that one wasn't all that bad. I didn't see offending stuff in it. |
| 13:04.37 | Xaragoth | I didn't either, but hey, I'm no woman. |
| 13:04.47 | Xaragoth | I only saw little children playing among themselves. |
| 13:04.47 | Helral|Work | you got pm requests to close it? |
| 13:04.52 | Xaragoth | Ye |
| 13:04.57 | Helral|Work | lol ah well. |
| 13:04.58 | Xaragoth | To all the currently more active mods |
| 13:11.47 | Helral|Work | meows |
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| 13:38.46 | Vindicator | does anyone know how to access the data in the .sc2scene files? |
| 13:41.21 | Xaragoth | sure, previewer |
| 13:48.25 | Vindicator | do u know how to utilize any data thats in one or make an sc2scene file of ur own |
| 13:48.51 | Vindicator | are we able to see where various animations are told to be played and such in the sc2scene file |
| 13:48.59 | Vindicator | and not just watch them in the previewer |
| 13:50.10 | Xaragoth | previewer creates those files |
| 13:50.15 | Xaragoth | that's what it was made for |
| 13:50.26 | Xaragoth | look in the tutorial section, progammer made one on that stuff |
| 13:50.34 | Vindicator | k |
| 13:55.30 | Icebane | yo dudes! |
| 13:56.38 | Vindicator | hello |
| 14:21.00 | Helral|Work | hmmmm anyone here got some knowledge about ISS7.0/7.5 and FastCGI with PERL?? |
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| 14:43.54 | Dustin | Mornin gents. |
| 14:45.55 | Hati | hello |
| 14:56.30 | Icebane | Heya |
| 15:07.32 | Te3-BloodyIron | Helral|HomePC: you there? |
| 15:21.13 | Icebane | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:21.17 | Icebane | heya! |
| 15:23.19 | Vindicator | so hey xaragoth - maybe i'm just missing them, but i've looked at progammers in-game cinematic map he made, as well as looked through all the sc2 mpq files, and looked throughout the previewer and i can't find the .sc2scene files anywhere x.x |
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| 15:29.20 | Helral|Work | Te3-BloodyIron: no |
| 15:36.31 | Xaragoth | Vindicator: You didn't look hard enough, look harder! |
| 15:38.24 | Vindicator | x.x which mpq lol |
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| 15:46.16 | Vindicator | o man i finally found them, it was in one of the ridiculously small mpqs |
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| 15:52.16 | JademusSreg | I awaken. |
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| 16:03.40 | hookah | hi guys |
| 16:03.47 | JademusSreg | Hi. |
| 16:03.56 | hookah | I have 2 question |
| 16:05.02 | hookah | does slider dialog item works and is there a way to make edit box to be only editable by numbers. |
| 16:05.53 | JademusSreg | I use sliders in Id, and you can detect changes to the edit box and change the values in it, so yes to both. |
| 16:07.09 | hookah | somehow detecting changes arent working for me, I use: Dialog - Any Dialog Item is used by Player (Triggering player) with event type Any |
| 16:08.11 | JademusSreg | Is that the event? |
| 16:08.36 | JademusSreg | Because if that is in the event expression, then the problem is that Triggering Player isn't defined. |
| 16:08.50 | JademusSreg | Use Any Player. |
| 16:09.10 | JademusSreg | Triggering Player is returning null (0). |
| 16:09.21 | JademusSreg | Well, not even zero, I guess. |
| 16:09.23 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 16:09.33 | hookah | hmm, it was ok with other dialog actions however |
| 16:10.17 | JademusSreg | I'll take a look at my script from Id. |
| 16:11.19 | hookah | And how do use the slider btw? I can create the slider button and thats all I figured out:D |
| 16:12.04 | JademusSreg | TriggerAddEventDialogControl(TriggerCreate("DS_SliderAction"), c_playerAny, DS_ScaleSlider, c_triggerControlEventTypeValueChanged); |
| 16:12.56 | JademusSreg | Actually, I could send you the whole script I use for sliders, if you like, via dropbox or PM. |
| 16:13.36 | JademusSreg | Anyway, the explanation. |
| 16:15.30 | JademusSreg | You can get the value from a slider even without a trigger, but if you want something to change in response to a slider change, like changing the color value gauge for example, then you need a trigger to fire on c_triggerControlEventTypeValueChanged. |
| 16:17.38 | JademusSreg | "Dialog - Any Dialog Item is used by Player (Triggering player) with event type Any" Here, event type Any should be Changed Value. And Triggering Player should Any Player, though if it is working for you, that's probably because a null player returns as -1, which is the Any Player constant value. |
| 16:19.27 | JademusSreg | Make sense so far? |
| 16:19.31 | hookah | yes |
| 16:20.26 | JademusSreg | What else do you need? =) |
| 16:21.17 | hookah | hmm, edit box still aint detecting changes |
| 16:23.09 | JademusSreg | It uses a different event, iirc. |
| 16:23.21 | JademusSreg | Changed Text, I think. |
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| 16:29.08 | hookah | ehh lol, It is working for my other edit box on the map, but aint working with the one I want even if I use the event only and than any action |
| 16:30.42 | hookah | ohh, I am worng its working when I show/hide the dialog |
| 16:30.58 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 16:32.06 | hookah | hmm |
| 16:32.38 | hookah | can you send me your slider to hookah604@gmail.com?:D |
| 16:33.36 | JademusSreg | Sure. |
| 16:33.43 | hookah | thx |
| 16:34.22 | JademusSreg | Would you like it attached or CnPed? |
| 16:34.27 | hookah | its changed text btw and seems like its only working if I hide/show the dialog after it:D |
| 16:34.38 | hookah | as you wish |
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| 16:37.18 | JademusSreg | Sent. |
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| 16:43.56 | Helral|HomePC | JademusSreg: Triggering player was -1 at that stage. Any player preset is also -1 ;) |
| 16:44.07 | hookah | this is so bad, changed text only works if you hide/show the dialog |
| 16:44.44 | Helral|HomePC | that's odd |
| 16:44.54 | Helral|HomePC | when do you show the dialog? |
| 16:44.59 | Helral|HomePC | at map init or ? |
| 16:45.05 | JademusSreg | Yes, Helral, that was apparent. =) |
| 16:45.17 | hookah | if I use a command card button |
| 16:45.26 | Helral|HomePC | hmmm |
| 16:49.30 | Helral|HomePC | weird I guess. |
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| 16:52.09 | JademusSreg | Do you store your dialog items and dialogs in variables hookah? |
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| 16:55.36 | JademusSreg | I'm wondering if how you are getting you dialog/control items has anything to do with the difficulty you encounter. |
| 16:56.33 | Helral|HomePC | JademusSreg: do you like complicated trigger and stuff? ;p |
| 16:57.03 | JademusSreg | I don't understand the question. Maybeee it's not complicated enough? |
| 16:57.13 | hookah | yes |
| 16:57.45 | Helral|HomePC | JademusSreg: something I'm working on slowly: http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/project-workplace/2407-helrals-random-dungeon-map/ |
| 17:01.45 | JademusSreg | You're working on procedural generation too? Neato. You generate the entire map on int, yes? |
| 17:01.46 | Helral|HomePC | yup |
| 17:01.50 | Helral|HomePC | the generator is actually done |
| 17:02.15 | Helral|HomePC | just missing stuff like correctly working doors atm ;p |
| 17:02.17 | JademusSreg | Depth first? |
| 17:02.33 | Helral|HomePC | depth? |
| 17:03.38 | JademusSreg | Just wondering if you based it on a maze generating algorithm and if it was depth first. |
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| 17:04.13 | JademusSreg | Or is it more like Diablo 2's generation by pieces? |
| 17:04.22 | Helral|HomePC | well I learned later that what I did was also used by certain maze generating algorithms. |
| 17:04.29 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 17:04.39 | Helral|HomePC | was quite funny |
| 17:04.45 | Helral|HomePC | I actually explained it in some post. |
| 17:05.06 | Helral|HomePC | the 7th post of that thread. |
| 17:05.10 | JademusSreg | I have independently discovered tetration! /joke |
| 17:05.37 | JademusSreg | Anyway, you need help with doors? |
| 17:06.07 | JademusSreg | Or what? |
| 17:06.19 | Icebane | maze generating algorithms.. that really sounds like... advanced at least to say xD |
| 17:06.40 | Helral|HomePC | I can't figure out why my door doesn't stay open... that's 1 bit. |
| 17:06.59 | Helral|HomePC | the model is there, the opening animation is there. |
| 17:07.05 | Helral|HomePC | the morph is done. |
| 17:07.06 | Stragus | How can you do procedural terrain generation? There's no Galaxy code to modify terrain |
| 17:07.13 | Stragus | Unless it's all doodads |
| 17:07.23 | JademusSreg | I know. But you can use units or doodads. |
| 17:07.30 | Helral|HomePC | but then I need to set the default animation to the open state :S |
| 17:07.54 | Helral|HomePC | I didn't do terrain generation ;p I did dungeon generation. all I needed were walls ;p |
| 17:08.04 | JademusSreg | Are you using the door unit? |
| 17:08.13 | Stragus | So it's all doodads I guess. Interesting... |
| 17:08.21 | Helral|HomePC | the door is a custom unit. |
| 17:08.27 | Helral|HomePC | Stragus: all units actually |
| 17:08.42 | Helral|HomePC | easier to remove and position and collide with. |
| 17:08.49 | JademusSreg | Can you paste the relevant shit into a 32*32 map? |
| 17:09.02 | Helral|HomePC | lol |
| 17:09.23 | Helral|HomePC | basicly I need to know the actor message that I need to have at morph completion. |
| 17:10.31 | JademusSreg | Did you generate the actor from scratch or by coping the data from an existing door? |
| 17:10.44 | JademusSreg | *copy |
| 17:10.54 | Helral|HomePC | can't remember. think from scratch. |
| 17:11.19 | JademusSreg | opens the editor again. |
| 17:12.40 | Helral|HomePC | tested stuff like: AnimGroupApply Stand O |
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| 17:13.06 | Stragus | Check the siege tank |
| 17:13.21 | Helral|HomePC | yeah I found it obscure. ;p |
| 17:13.25 | Helral|HomePC | brb checking on food |
| 17:13.30 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 17:14.08 | Helral|HomePC | back |
| 17:14.57 | Helral|HomePC | basicly what I have is: AbilMorph.*.Finish as Actor.Event |
| 17:15.38 | Helral|HomePC | MorphTo DoorSpikesOpen as Term (name of the unit which uses this actor. also name of this actor) |
| 17:15.53 | Helral|HomePC | and then that AnimGroupApply bit as action. |
| 17:17.13 | JademusSreg | Why not AnimPlay? |
| 17:17.37 | Helral|HomePC | hmmm I guess I tried to do what blizzard does ;p |
| 17:18.13 | JademusSreg | There are a number of Campaign door actors which just use AnimPlay. |
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| 17:18.46 | Helral|HomePC | ok will try that as soon as I figure out why my map is currently crashing sc2 ;p |
| 17:19.04 | JademusSreg | Oh man. |
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| 17:20.24 | JademusSreg | fixed twobar=1/2.; // crashes the thread because of division by 0 (ingame); seems like any number delimited by a dot is interpreted as a 0. |
| 17:20.24 | JademusSreg | const fixed foobar=1/2.; // crashes the editor, but only for constants; my guess is that the editor cant handle constant divisions by zero. |
| 17:20.25 | JademusSreg | const int fubar=1/0; // crashes the editor |
| 17:20.47 | XenoX101 | wat |
| 17:20.56 | Helral|HomePC | lol |
| 17:21.00 | Stragus | Can't divide an integer by a float, there's no implicit casting |
| 17:21.04 | Stragus | Try 1.0/2.0 |
| 17:21.07 | Helral|HomePC | for me it is prolly something I imported orso. |
| 17:21.18 | JademusSreg | Those are just examples of things that crash the editor. |
| 17:21.27 | JademusSreg | I'm not having any trouble. |
| 17:21.40 | Helral|HomePC | hehehe |
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| 17:22.15 | Helral|HomePC | ok weren't my imports. hmmm let's see it is then in some of my game time elapsed triggers. |
| 17:24.46 | Helral|HomePC | ok map is working again. |
| 17:25.03 | Helral|HomePC | it was one of the Dialog Item Templates that I was testing 2 weeks ago. |
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| 17:25.43 | JademusSreg | Hm. I've not tinkered with templates yet. |
| 17:27.13 | JademusSreg | Do they do anything useful? |
| 17:28.50 | Helral|HomePC | well you can show stuff in them. like an inventory or a command card. |
| 17:29.22 | Helral|HomePC | or minimap ;p |
| 17:29.34 | Helral|HomePC | but basicly the SC2Layout files are more useful for that stuff now. |
| 17:29.50 | Helral|HomePC | although I will use it for getting the UnitInfoPanel. |
| 17:30.03 | Helral|HomePC | cause I will have that in a different screen. ;p on a character sheet. |
| 17:30.19 | JademusSreg | Yes. I've been meaning to tinker with the layout files as well; I haven't done much of that since beta. |
| 17:30.40 | Helral|HomePC | I've created/help create several UI's already. |
| 17:31.28 | Zoxc | Do I need to change the layout files to change the 'Kills:' thing that appears on units? |
| 17:31.48 | Helral|HomePC | depends what do you want to change about it ;p |
| 17:32.15 | Zoxc | just the text |
| 17:32.41 | Helral|HomePC | try the Text Editor ;p |
| 17:32.41 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 17:32.58 | JademusSreg | It's not a map string, I'm not sure that would help. |
| 17:33.06 | Helral|HomePC | hmmm? |
| 17:33.09 | Helral|HomePC | lemme see |
| 17:33.09 | JademusSreg | Does the text editor handle non-map strings? |
| 17:33.43 | JademusSreg | If you want to remove the kill counter entirely, that cerrtainly sounds like a layout thing. |
| 17:33.56 | Zoxc | No I want to use it for something else =P |
| 17:34.09 | JademusSreg | Like what? |
| 17:34.18 | Zoxc | Experience |
| 17:34.19 | Helral|HomePC | JademusSreg: that's actually a data editor setting. |
| 17:34.36 | Helral|HomePC | Zoxc: why not use the experience bar for it? |
| 17:34.41 | JademusSreg | There is a Veterancy behavior that tracks experience. |
| 17:34.59 | JademusSreg | Rather, behavior class. |
| 17:35.16 | Zoxc | I don't think a bar would be right. There aren't any levels either. |
| 17:35.23 | JademusSreg | Ah. |
| 17:35.28 | Helral|HomePC | hehehe. |
| 17:35.59 | JademusSreg | Reminds me of old DBZ maps from SC1. Remember those days? |
| 17:36.12 | Zoxc | Where's the search function in the text editor? |
| 17:36.19 | JademusSreg | 200 kills, Super Just Sayin Level 9001. |
| 17:37.29 | Zoxc | great, it sorts the thing while typing, sooo slow |
| 17:37.37 | Helral|HomePC | e_gameUIStringKills |
| 17:37.49 | Helral|HomePC | thats the id of the Kills text in the text editor. |
| 17:37.50 | Zoxc | notepad for the rescue |
| 17:38.02 | Oatin | Is Mozared here somewhere? |
| 17:38.08 | Helral|HomePC | at least I think |
| 17:38.19 | Helral|HomePC | There are about 5 instances called kills ;p |
| 17:38.51 | Zoxc | yup, that was it :) |
| 17:39.38 | Zoxc | I wonder if I can remove Rank too, easily |
| 17:40.15 | JademusSreg | Are those in the actor? |
| 17:41.20 | Helral|HomePC | yup |
| 17:41.27 | Helral|HomePC | UI - Unit Kill Rank |
| 17:41.33 | JademusSreg | I thought I saw those in there. |
| 17:44.58 | Helral|HomePC | well I gtg ;p cya all |
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| 19:03.25 | JManV|Work | raz: you around? |
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| 19:13.44 | Shawn|Rawr | JManV|Work: I'm here@ |
| 19:13.48 | Shawn|Rawr | !* |
| 19:19.06 | progammer | who here watched all diablo2/1 war3 cinematics, i have a question |
| 19:19.53 | JademusSreg | Oh? |
| 19:21.09 | progammer | JademusSreg: you do ? |
| 19:21.23 | progammer | have you seen all the footage in here ? http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/company/about/b20/videos.html |
| 19:22.57 | JademusSreg | Some of the Diablo 3 footage looked pretty fresh to me, but I haven't been tracking the development of D3. |
| 19:23.22 | progammer | so its not footage for d2 ? |
| 19:23.38 | progammer | the first feww footage, is from wow and sc2 |
| 19:23.39 | JademusSreg | No wai, too good. |
| 19:23.40 | progammer | some i think d2 |
| 19:23.46 | progammer | hm so sneak peak of d3 |
| 19:23.53 | JademusSreg | Sure looks like it. |
| 19:24.08 | JademusSreg | Now I am certain. |
| 19:24.12 | progammer | i will look up all released d3 materials to see if anything new |
| 19:24.19 | JademusSreg | We have a sorceress, and the destruction of the world stone. |
| 19:24.38 | progammer | the scene where the sword flying.. |
| 19:24.39 | progammer | mostly |
| 19:24.42 | JademusSreg | Yeah. |
| 19:25.51 | JademusSreg | There also appears to be a sorceress at 0:14. |
| 19:26.14 | JademusSreg | But I'm not certain about that one. |
| 19:26.26 | progammer | that one is wow |
| 19:26.27 | progammer | i know |
| 19:26.41 | JademusSreg | Ah. Hm. Funny, I don't recall that one. |
| 19:26.47 | progammer | burning crusade |
| 19:26.54 | JademusSreg | Ahhh. |
| 19:27.01 | JademusSreg | I skipped burning crusade. |
| 19:27.06 | JademusSreg | That explains it. |
| 19:28.24 | progammer | JademusSreg: nvm its all here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-85YBegae4 |
| 19:28.29 | progammer | no unreleased footage |
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| 19:30.10 | JademusSreg | Good ol' Tyrael. |
| 19:31.00 | JademusSreg | He sounded a tad protoss in D2. |
| 19:38.08 | depthsofchaos | why is the sc2mapster channel so empty on bnet :/ |
| 19:38.21 | depthsofchaos | you guys should really do a news on it |
| 19:38.35 | depthsofchaos | like 4 people visit it daily xD |
| 19:39.51 | JademusSreg | That sounds newsworthy. |
| 19:40.31 | depthsofchaos | yes since mapers want to test their maps |
| 19:40.36 | depthsofchaos | and theres no other way |
| 19:40.41 | Oatin | thats indeed an issue |
| 19:41.06 | JademusSreg | Do mappers have friends who play SC2? |
| 19:41.15 | depthsofchaos | just stfu pls |
| 19:41.22 | Oatin | oO |
| 19:41.23 | JademusSreg | Hah. |
| 19:41.26 | depthsofchaos | you obviously never dade maps |
| 19:41.37 | JademusSreg | Oh man, never. |
| 19:41.44 | depthsofchaos | or never played your own maps |
| 19:41.53 | JademusSreg | I can't play. I can't even read. |
| 19:42.02 | depthsofchaos | i wouldnt be surprised |
| 19:42.21 | Oatin | well depths, are you looking for some1 to test? |
| 19:42.33 | Oatin | but then... its difficult that there are guys from eu and use here |
| 19:42.39 | Oatin | and i cannot see who is on which server |
| 19:42.52 | depthsofchaos | im eu and ye i managed to test it with friends |
| 19:43.03 | depthsofchaos | but friends raent vaalablealways |
| 19:43.11 | depthsofchaos | for 4-8 player maps you know |
| 19:43.15 | Oatin | thats true 8[ |
| 19:43.20 | Oatin | huh |
| 19:43.22 | depthsofchaos | i got 50ish friends on my list |
| 19:43.29 | depthsofchaos | and i cant get them to play |
| 19:43.56 | depthsofchaos | a channel is needed where people want to play simple |
| 19:44.58 | JademusSreg | Ask people. |
| 19:44.58 | depthsofchaos | hehe i write too fats and mistipe a tiny tiny bit :p |
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| 19:46.37 | depthsofchaos | ill see when you will be able to get 8 player in a map at the same time |
| 19:46.47 | depthsofchaos | who dont play ladder or other games and are in the mood |
| 19:48.24 | JademusSreg | I'm inclined to either give advice or make jokes, but since you seem averse to both, I'm not sure how to proceed. |
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| 19:50.26 | JademusSreg | Hey Vestras. |
| 19:50.30 | JademusSreg | How's moonlite? |
| 19:50.31 | Vestras | heya |
| 19:50.36 | Vestras | Moonlite is great |
| 19:50.39 | Vestras | Andromeda code completion is done |
| 19:50.48 | JademusSreg | Nice. |
| 19:50.48 | Vestras | Working on Grape before the release of Moonlite though |
| 19:50.57 | Vestras | then implement Grape support in Moonlite |
| 19:51.01 | JademusSreg | I intend to start using Andromeda soonish. |
| 19:51.11 | JademusSreg | I'm waiting for 0.2.0. |
| 19:51.14 | Vestras | Did you read about Grape? |
| 19:51.20 | Vestras | I am afraid 2.0 is long coming |
| 19:51.33 | Vestras | http://www.thehelper.net/forums/showthread.php/160671-Grape-SC2-programming-language |
| 19:51.34 | JademusSreg | No, what's Grape? |
| 19:51.40 | Vestras | http://code.google.com/p/grape-sc2/ |
| 19:51.46 | Vestras | Read, C&C :) |
| 19:51.51 | JademusSreg | On it. |
| 19:52.35 | JademusSreg | Reminds me of python a bit. |
| 19:52.45 | Vestras | Yeah |
| 19:52.54 | Vestras | kind of intended to feel "small", scriptish |
| 19:53.23 | Vestras | what do you think? |
| 19:53.27 | JademusSreg | Do you have the language specification written or any such thing? |
| 19:53.37 | Vestras | Not yet |
| 19:53.38 | Vestras | working on it |
| 19:53.46 | Vestras | I have a lot of the stdlib done though |
| 19:54.04 | Vestras | http://code.google.com/p/grape-sc2/source/browse/#hg%2Fgrape%2Fsystem there, take a look |
| 19:54.41 | Vestras | it'll have better support in moonlite because it is more integrated |
| 19:54.47 | Vestras | because it is written in C#, like moonlite |
| 19:54.54 | JademusSreg | Pretty sweet. |
| 19:55.12 | JademusSreg | Hey, I'm just glad it's a single language. |
| 19:55.31 | Vestras | yeah |
| 19:55.34 | Vestras | that was kinda the idea |
| 19:55.35 | Vestras | no mixing |
| 19:55.40 | JademusSreg | Thank god. |
| 19:55.42 | Vestras | between gaylaxy and the language |
| 19:55.45 | Vestras | Anything else? |
| 19:56.01 | Vestras | It's pretty much finished |
| 19:56.03 | JademusSreg | I'm working on some questions. |
| 19:56.05 | Vestras | Just fixing bugs currently |
| 19:56.17 | Vestras | And a guy named serius, who is good with galaxy, is working on the code generation |
| 19:56.29 | JademusSreg | s3rious? |
| 19:56.33 | Vestras | ye |
| 19:56.38 | Vestras | do you know him? |
| 19:56.38 | JademusSreg | Or however he spells it. |
| 19:56.46 | JademusSreg | Not really, seen him around. |
| 19:56.50 | Vestras | okay |
| 19:56.54 | Vestras | well, he is good with galaxy |
| 19:57.14 | Stragus | Argh! What's wrong with Galaxy? Why would he create a new language generating Galaxy code? |
| 19:57.23 | Stragus | Besides, I by far prefer the C-like syntax |
| 19:57.30 | JademusSreg | To get some oop in that bitch. |
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| 19:58.09 | Vestras | And to make it not suck |
| 19:58.17 | Stragus | Yes well, I never liked any language forcing a particular OOP design on me |
| 19:58.32 | Vestras | Well you obviously haven't ever worked on big projects then |
| 19:59.05 | Stragus | That's an interesting assumption... Yes, I work on very large projects, and most of them are written in C |
| 19:59.21 | Vestras | What is your definition of 'big'? |
| 19:59.55 | Stragus | Up to ~100k lines of code I believe |
| 20:00.09 | Vestras | Okay |
| 20:00.28 | Vestras | Writing that in a procedural language is asking for no maintainability |
| 20:00.45 | Vestras | I don't know what you make |
| 20:00.46 | Vestras | But I know that I would be unable to maintain that without OOP |
| 20:00.50 | Stragus | C++ code can be just as unmaintanble, it all depends how it's designed, OOP is no magic bullet |
| 20:01.00 | JademusSreg | So in grapem, you terminate every scope with end? |
| 20:01.18 | soundsnc_ | MMMMM ruby |
| 20:01.23 | soundsnc_ | ./better |
| 20:01.32 | Vestras | Yes, Jade |
| 20:01.40 | Vestras | soundsnc, grape was inspired by ruby |
| 20:01.45 | Vestras | except you have to tell types ofc |
| 20:01.49 | Vestras | mostly the syntax |
| 20:02.03 | soundsnc_ | ah, very nice |
| 20:02.05 | Stragus | There are annoying limitations in Galaxy, but it's not like any language sitting on top of it could fix them |
| 20:02.17 | Vestras | What limitations? |
| 20:02.50 | JademusSreg | No one is forwarding the argument that we can overcome the inherent limitations of a base language. |
| 20:02.50 | Stragus | I really miss pointers and flexible memory addressing, but... I'm really a low-level programmer too |
| 20:03.04 | soundsnc_ | ah, vest. you're writing grape |
| 20:03.25 | soundsnc_ | i just googled it, apologies for my ignorance |
| 20:03.37 | Vestras | lol np |
| 20:03.50 | Vestras | Grape has memory allocation and stuff |
| 20:03.51 | Stragus | Oh, you are the author of the project? I'm sorry if I seemed rude |
| 20:03.56 | JademusSreg | Language extensions like Grape, Andromeda, and vJass (woo, old school), are jusr useful for managing projects of a certain scale. |
| 20:04.03 | Vestras | Not rude at all |
| 20:04.09 | Vestras | Yes |
| 20:04.13 | Vestras | But they do allow neat stuff |
| 20:04.22 | Vestras | Speaking of memory allocation |
| 20:04.33 | Vestras | I have forgotten to create a delete expression |
| 20:04.34 | Vestras | lol |
| 20:04.37 | Vestras | Better implement that |
| 20:04.38 | JademusSreg | Hahaha |
| 20:04.44 | soundsnc_ | are you writing this language over top of galaxy or are you bypassing it all together? |
| 20:04.55 | Vestras | What do you mean? |
| 20:05.02 | Stragus | There's no way to bypass Galaxy |
| 20:05.04 | JademusSreg | That reminds me, I need to finish my autocomplete list for notepad++. |
| 20:05.31 | soundsnc_ | stragus, sure there is, it'd just be a pain in the ass |
| 20:05.41 | Vestras | lol |
| 20:05.47 | Vestras | there is none |
| 20:05.48 | Vestras | unfortunately |
| 20:05.49 | JademusSreg | Lexical ambiguity. |
| 20:05.57 | Vestras | Huh? |
| 20:06.06 | JademusSreg | It's the source of their misunderstanding. |
| 20:06.38 | Stragus | soundsnc_, you would have to modify SC2 itself, an actual mod of the game. It would be useless for people interested in distributing maps |
| 20:06.41 | Vestras | Do you mean that soundsnc doesn't intend to say bypass but instead means something else? |
| 20:06.56 | JademusSreg | He meant bypass in a different way I think. |
| 20:07.00 | Skizot | boom boom shackalacka boom. |
| 20:07.13 | Vestras | Soup Skizot |
| 20:07.16 | JademusSreg | Like asking if grape would be a superset of galaxy, ie supporting galaxy legacy code. |
| 20:07.29 | Vestras | Which it luckily doesn't |
| 20:07.43 | Vestras | I live by the saying "Keep it simple, stupid" |
| 20:07.49 | Vestras | Partly because I am lazy though |
| 20:07.55 | JademusSreg | Well yeah, I read that in your helper post. |
| 20:08.10 | JademusSreg | But if he hadn't read it, it would be an understandable question. |
| 20:08.20 | Stragus | If Galaxy were just a little more flexible, it wouldn't be such a pain to implement even basic stuff like linked lists |
| 20:08.38 | Vestras | Yeah, sure |
| 20:08.49 | Vestras | Well you can do that |
| 20:08.55 | Vestras | Just like you can do it in C |
| 20:09.00 | Vestras | It's just a pain |
| 20:09.03 | Vestras | But it is in C, too |
| 20:10.40 | Vestras | So Jademus |
| 20:10.44 | Vestras | Are you interested in Grape? |
| 20:10.55 | JademusSreg | I am. I still have more questions, though. |
| 20:11.20 | Vestras | Go go |
| 20:11.22 | JademusSreg | 1) I really need to read the language specification, help me get into it. A snippet doesn't help me so much. |
| 20:11.40 | JademusSreg | So when do you think that will be finished? |
| 20:11.58 | soundsnc_ | im interested in grape |
| 20:12.02 | soundsnc_ | http://www.thehelper.net/forums/showthread.php/160671-Grape-SC2-programming-language |
| 20:12.06 | JademusSreg | 2) Stability? Bugs? Anything I should know? |
| 20:12.36 | JademusSreg | 3) Does moonlite handle script compiling and injection into the map? |
| 20:13.05 | Vestras | 1) I am currently writing the spec, but bug fixing and implementing the code generator is more important currently |
| 20:13.25 | Vestras | 2) Hopefully there should be no bugs. To ensure that I am creating simple maps in Grape before releasing the alpha version |
| 20:13.28 | JademusSreg | 4) Does moonlite still require a bazillion different things to run, and is the 64-bit version stable? |
| 20:14.01 | Vestras | 3) Moonlite will handle everything for you, project creation, code tools, dynamic syntax checking, compilation, injection, etc. |
| 20:14.13 | JademusSreg | Excellent. |
| 20:14.15 | Vestras | 4) Moonlite is 64-bit compatible, and it requires only .NET 4.0 |
| 20:14.25 | JademusSreg | Also great. |
| 20:14.25 | Vestras | Great to hear you are interested |
| 20:14.39 | soundsnc_ | has any good solutions come out for 2 people working on a map at once? |
| 20:14.51 | soundsnc_ | other than "copy paste your triggers into the other guy's maps" |
| 20:14.55 | Vestras | Hopefully Grape should also work for both platforms, I see no reason why it shouldn't |
| 20:14.56 | Vestras | Yes, soundsnc |
| 20:14.59 | Vestras | SVN or HG |
| 20:15.02 | Vestras | Mercurial, etc. |
| 20:15.16 | Vestras | It's called source code control |
| 20:15.21 | soundsnc_ | yeah i guess i can use a repo |
| 20:15.28 | soundsnc_ | the map unpacks right? |
| 20:15.47 | Stragus | Some kind of source control would preferably need some automatic unpacking/packing of MPQs |
| 20:16.21 | JademusSreg | Well, with Sparsile inactive because Mindy is using his formidable skills to make something profitable, an understandable and legitimate use of his abilities, and with Moonlite apparently in good shape (such that I might be able to run it without crashing), it seems like a good choice. |
| 20:16.46 | Vestras | I don't know sound |
| 20:17.02 | Vestras | Yay |
| 20:17.11 | Vestras | I never expected to hear that from you, Jade |
| 20:17.11 | Vestras | :D |
| 20:17.20 | Vestras | Hopefully it should live up to your expectations |
| 20:18.35 | JademusSreg | I might be an asshole, but I am a sincere, honest asshole. |
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| 20:18.49 | Vestras | Lol, assholes are great |
| 20:18.51 | Vestras | For feedback |
| 20:18.51 | Vestras | :P |
| 20:19.15 | JademusSreg | Let me finish writing this autocomplete shit and I'll get back to you about this. |
| 20:19.22 | Vestras | Okay |
| 20:19.22 | Vestras | Sure |
| 20:19.46 | Stragus | Is there any command-line MPQ unpacking/packing program out there? I couldn't find much |
| 20:20.26 | JademusSreg | Well, Shadowflare had a pretty crappy one, I think. It wasn't very stable, though. |
| 20:20.30 | Stragus | My map obfuscation program sure could use something like that, rather than having to learn StormLib |
| 20:20.46 | Stragus | Thanks, I'll have a look |
| 20:21.06 | JademusSreg | Do you have Ladik's MPQ Editor? |
| 20:21.14 | Vestras | Just write a small one in C |
| 20:21.17 | Technomancer | Yo Skizot |
| 20:21.17 | Vestras | Shouldn't be too hard |
| 20:21.25 | JademusSreg | I don't recall if it accepts command line input. |
| 20:21.29 | Vestras | Delete statements implemented :D |
| 20:21.45 | Stragus | Yes Jades, there are command-line arguments but nothing really useful to do automatic unpacking/packing |
| 20:22.00 | Stragus | Ah well, I guess I'll have to write one with StormLib |
| 20:31.53 | soundsnc_ | ~seen ryanWin |
| 20:32.04 | purl | ryanwin <46f5f353@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.245.243.83> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 5d 18m 25s ago, saying: 'hmmm'. |
| 20:32.04 | soundsnc_ | bot not here? |
| 20:32.15 | soundsnc_ | there we go |
| 20:33.56 | Vestras | ryanwin was the guy that got through to bliz right? |
| 20:34.42 | soundsnc_ | the whole world of starcraft scene, yeah |
| 20:34.50 | Vestras | right, sweet |
| 20:34.58 | Vestras | Stragus |
| 20:35.00 | Vestras | In C |
| 20:35.02 | JademusSreg | Appropriate name, then. |
| 20:35.08 | Vestras | in the delete statement |
| 20:35.12 | Vestras | what objects can't you delete? |
| 20:35.23 | Vestras | like, you can't go delete (struct__name) |
| 20:35.35 | Vestras | and you can't go delete (some_expression_that_resolves_to_void) |
| 20:35.46 | Vestras | Did you have more questions, Jade? |
| 20:36.20 | Vestras | OH wait |
| 20:36.22 | Vestras | sorry |
| 20:36.22 | Vestras | I meant c++ |
| 20:36.24 | Vestras | ofc |
| 20:36.30 | JademusSreg | Haha. |
| 20:36.38 | JademusSreg | And I don't have any more at the moment. |
| 20:36.53 | JademusSreg | I'm looking over my autocomplete shit to make sure it's all there. |
| 20:37.05 | Vestras | Okay :) |
| 20:37.16 | Vestras | Do you wanna test the grape compiler for me? |
| 20:37.20 | JademusSreg | The notepad++ autocomplete is really picky about them being in the correct alphabetical order. |
| 20:37.21 | Vestras | To see if it works on x64? |
| 20:37.27 | Vestras | Oh lol |
| 20:37.27 | Vestras | Fail |
| 20:37.29 | JademusSreg | Yes. In a minute. |
| 20:37.38 | Vestras | ok |
| 20:37.46 | Vestras | Then I can implement the delete statement validator :) |
| 20:37.53 | Vestras | Do you have visual studio installed? |
| 20:38.29 | JademusSreg | I think so. |
| 20:39.29 | Vestras | Okay |
| 20:39.37 | Vestras | Then you can build the source yourself, right? |
| 20:40.06 | JademusSreg | Almost certainly. |
| 20:40.46 | Vestras | Okay |
| 20:41.04 | Vestras | Then I'll just commit and you can build, run and test yourself |
| 20:41.16 | JademusSreg | Sounds good. |
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| 20:42.43 | JademusSreg | Almost done with my stuff. Then I'll be ready for whatever. |
| 20:43.01 | JademusSreg | Will I need to clearo ut all former traces of old moonlite builds? |
| 20:45.01 | JademusSreg | Oh yes, the most obvious question is the one I forget to ask. To what do your classes compile? |
| 20:46.06 | JademusSreg | Struct arrays (fast but hideous and instance limited) or banks (slower but no hard limit)? |
| 20:47.41 | Vestras | Arrays, I think |
| 20:47.55 | Vestras | And if the maximum limit is exceeded, data tables are used I think |
| 20:48.07 | Vestras | You won't be testing moonlite now |
| 20:48.10 | Vestras | Only grape |
| 20:48.34 | JademusSreg | Getting some coffee. Then we'll get to it. |
| 20:49.02 | soundsnc_ | how does grape handle key based data tables? |
| 20:49.18 | Vestras | Okay |
| 20:49.22 | Vestras | What do you mean sound? |
| 20:49.28 | Vestras | I am not sure on anything code generation |
| 20:49.32 | Vestras | Ask serius :P |
| 20:50.08 | soundsnc_ | heh, alright |
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| 20:51.09 | soundsnc_ | does moonlight have a webpage? i havent used it |
| 20:51.16 | soundsnc_ | or a forum thread |
| 20:51.23 | JademusSreg | If it compiles to data tables, it is probably global, and uses something like [class][instance][member] as a key. |
| 20:52.17 | Vestras | Moonlite has a webpage, but I haven't uploaded it yet |
| 20:52.30 | soundsnc_ | sounds good, im going to assume i can code my own data models |
| 20:52.32 | Vestras | It will be up once the new version is up, and I will make a post on sc2mapster, too |
| 20:52.34 | soundsnc_ | and add code to relate them |
| 20:52.41 | Vestras | It'll probably get newsed as well, it has been before |
| 20:52.49 | Vestras | Almost done Jade |
| 20:52.56 | Vestras | Delete statements seem to be validated correctly |
| 20:53.13 | JademusSreg | Good. |
| 20:53.17 | JademusSreg | I'm pretty much ready. |
| 20:53.21 | soundsnc_ | i love ruby's active record, if you can simulate that, this language is gold |
| 20:53.24 | JademusSreg | I'm goofing off. |
| 20:53.42 | Vestras | What is that? |
| 20:55.21 | JademusSreg | http://ar.rubyonrails.org/ |
| 20:55.31 | JademusSreg | I guess. |
| 20:55.46 | soundsnc_ | active record works by associating table data to an object and can associate objects with eacother |
| 20:55.54 | soundsnc_ | so one table of data can belong to another for example |
| 20:56.05 | Vestras | eh |
| 20:56.06 | Vestras | okay |
| 20:56.11 | Vestras | Idk if it will have that :P |
| 20:56.12 | Vestras | Anyways |
| 20:56.15 | Vestras | committing now |
| 20:57.45 | Vestras | Okay, you can dl the source code now from http://code.google.com/p/grape-sc2 |
| 20:58.11 | JademusSreg | Alright. |
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| 20:58.46 | JademusSreg | Server error. Hah. |
| 20:58.55 | JademusSreg | Link me to the file directly, if you please. |
| 20:59.55 | Vestras | Eh |
| 20:59.59 | Vestras | There is no "file" |
| 21:00.04 | Vestras | It's source code control |
| 21:00.08 | Vestras | Mercurial |
| 21:00.12 | Vestras | Try again :) |
| 21:00.28 | Vestras | http://code.google.com/p/grape-sc2/source/checkout |
| 21:03.26 | Vestras | Working now, Jade? |
| 21:04.24 | JademusSreg | I'm there. |
| 21:04.28 | Vestras | Godo |
| 21:05.01 | JademusSreg | Having not used Google code before, I'm stumbling along through this endeavor. |
| 21:05.09 | Vestras | Which means? :P |
| 21:05.48 | JademusSreg | Which means what do I do next? =) |
| 21:06.05 | Vestras | When the source has been downloaded or? |
| 21:06.25 | JademusSreg | Let's start with how to download the source. |
| 21:06.31 | Vestras | Okay |
| 21:06.35 | Vestras | Download something called Mercurial |
| 21:06.38 | Vestras | Open CMD |
| 21:06.47 | Vestras | CD to the folder you want the source to be in |
| 21:06.49 | Vestras | then write |
| 21:07.06 | Vestras | hg clone https://grape-sc2.googlecode.com/hg/ grape-sc2 |
| 21:07.09 | Vestras | and press enter |
| 21:07.59 | JademusSreg | Alright. Uno momento. |
| 21:08.14 | Vestras | Okay :) |
| 21:09.45 | JademusSreg | Installing. |
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| 21:18.33 | JademusSreg | I must be missing something. |
| 21:18.59 | Vestras | What is wrong? |
| 21:19.16 | JademusSreg | hg is not a recognized command. |
| 21:20.34 | JademusSreg | Hm. |
| 21:20.50 | Vestras | At the mercurial install path to your PATH environment variable |
| 21:21.59 | Vestras | Add* |
| 21:26.47 | Vestras | Then try again |
| 21:26.47 | Vestras | Done |
| 21:26.48 | Vestras | ? |
| 21:27.05 | JademusSreg | Nope. |
| 21:27.14 | Vestras | What are you doing? |
| 21:27.30 | JademusSreg | Trying to get something to run. |
| 21:27.37 | Vestras | Lol, okay |
| 21:27.53 | JademusSreg | The literature makes some assumptions about what I know, when clearly I do not. |
| 21:29.56 | Vestras | Which part don't you know? |
| 21:29.59 | Vestras | Environment variables? |
| 21:30.03 | Vestras | What is your OS? |
| 21:38.28 | Vestras | Jade |
| 21:38.42 | JademusSreg | I have yet to start doing anything. It is perplexing. |
| 21:40.05 | Vestras | What do you mean? |
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| 22:34.59 | Technomancer | JManV still need thos stairs? |
| 22:35.06 | Technomancer | I can get to it tonight I should think |
| 22:37.11 | Skizot | i actually already HAVE a stairs model. |
| 22:37.27 | Skizot | would just have to reskin it >_> |
| 22:37.53 | Technomancer | *shrug* |
| 22:37.59 | Skizot | lol |
| 22:38.08 | Skizot | i feel abd taking work from you though |
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| 22:38.31 | Skizot | bad* |
| 22:38.32 | Technomancer | its more efficient |
| 22:38.54 | Technomancer | tho I was gonna put a railng on it. I want to do the Pokecenter |
| 22:39.17 | Razernok | JManV isn't here |
| 22:39.25 | Razernok | i saw him log off |
| 22:39.46 | Razernok | [16:01]|<--JManV|Work has left freenode (Quit: Page closed) |
| 22:40.29 | Technomancer | it says hes on |
| 22:40.36 | Technomancer | o.o |
| 22:40.54 | Skizot | JManV |
| 22:40.58 | Skizot | yuo |
| 22:41.04 | Skizot | type lma and press tab |
| 22:41.06 | Skizot | jma* |
| 22:42.48 | Technomancer | interesting lol |
| 22:43.40 | Razernok | scroll up, i saw him log off |
| 22:44.36 | Skizot | and the USERLIST says he's there. |
| 22:45.01 | Razernok | maybe bugged then? |
| 22:46.01 | *** join/#sc2mapster Hjalte (~chatzilla@cpe.ge-0-2-0-835.arcnqu2.customer.tele.dk) |
| 22:46.40 | Technomancer | I notice theres usually too Jmans logged in |
| 22:46.51 | Technomancer | one says |Work, one doesnt |
| 22:57.15 | *** join/#sc2mapster QueenGambit (43ab2844@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.171.40.68) |
| 22:57.18 | QueenGambit | oppersee biology |
| 22:57.19 | *** join/#sc2mapster s4ikD_ (~s4ikD@77-57-171-132.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 23:09.38 | *** join/#sc2mapster FireryRage (~FireryRag@129-97-120-33.uwaterloo.ca) |
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| 23:22.45 | Helral|away | meows |
| 23:26.04 | Oatin | :O |
| 23:26.13 | Oatin | So silent... |
| 23:27.41 | Skizot | SHUSH |
| 23:31.05 | Icebane | Heya Gambit! :) |
| 23:31.12 | Icebane | Yes don't break the silence |
| 23:31.16 | Icebane | Hi everyone btw! |
| 23:31.41 | Oatin | >( |
| 23:40.28 | QueenGambit | hi |
| 23:42.32 | Skizot | OH GOD MY TESTICLE IS BLEEDING |
| 23:42.32 | Xaragoth | Hello Gambit |
| 23:42.50 | Xaragoth | Skizot, shut up and call the ambulance |
| 23:43.12 | Skizot | THERE IS BLOOD EVERYWHERE |
| 23:43.19 | Skizot | OH GOD |
| 23:43.22 | Skizot | IT"S LIKE A BLOOD WATER BALLOON |
| 23:43.34 | Skizot | I'M A GAY VAMPIRE BAIT |
| 23:44.27 | Xaragoth | stabs Skizot in the face. |
| 23:44.30 | Xaragoth | Now, that hurts more. |
| 23:44.36 | Xaragoth | Scream about that with Caps. |
| 23:44.59 | Skizot | NO MY TESTICLE STILL HURTS WORSE JUST NOW THERES FACE BLOOD IN THE TESTICLEB LOOD OH FUCK |
| 23:48.10 | Icebane | Hey Queen earlier today you asked me if you culd help me with something and well, I replied the minute after you left xD |
| 23:48.15 | Icebane | Testicle? xD |
| 23:49.12 | Helral | this is how to help Skizot: |
| 23:49.21 | Helral | throws Skizot in the fire. |
| 23:49.26 | Helral | that should seal it. ;p |
| 23:50.43 | QueenGambit | oh hmm now i forgot |
| 23:50.50 | QueenGambit | i'll get back to you on that Icebane |
| 23:51.03 | Icebane | oh alright ^^ |
| 23:51.21 | Icebane | Helral has Icebanes approval. |
| 23:51.32 | Icebane | oops, that emote got fucked |
| 23:51.33 | Icebane | xD |
| 23:51.55 | Helral | thinks Icebane failed. |
| 23:51.57 | JademusSreg | That emote had a purty mouth; it happens. |
| 23:53.20 | Icebane | Icebane-Helral, maybe thats a person! |
| 23:53.46 | JademusSreg | After a sweaty, grunting fusion dance, maybe. =) |
