| 00:02.29 | Tordy | well now i need to test if my map works correctly |
| 00:03.45 | Shawn|Rawr | It doesnt |
| 00:04.06 | Tordy | what doesnt |
| 00:04.08 | Tordy | =o |
| 00:04.20 | Shawn|Rawr | Your map. Something isn't working right |
| 00:04.32 | Stragus | I'm leaving in about 2 minutes to dine with friends, but feel free to post a comment on the tool either way |
| 00:05.51 | Shawn|Rawr | It needs to make autobackups |
| 00:17.39 | Tordy | how do i convert all the triggers to galaxy again |
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| 00:32.03 | Razernok | anyone know how to make an actor stay attached to a unit when using Actor - Attach GroundLocalSelection to Origin on (Triggering unit)? |
| 00:32.36 | Reav | if u are attaching actors to other actors |
| 00:32.41 | Reav | i might try doing it in data |
| 00:32.45 | Reav | and not triggers |
| 00:32.54 | Razernok | i don't know data editor at all |
| 00:33.03 | Reav | time to learn :) |
| 00:33.26 | Razernok | :( |
| 00:33.49 | Reav | what is GroundLocalSelection? |
| 00:33.56 | Reav | is that a function in the editor? |
| 00:34.02 | Razernok | when a unit is selected |
| 00:34.16 | Razernok | I'm faking unit selection |
| 00:34.33 | Razernok | its an actor |
| 00:35.18 | Reav | GroundlocalSelection is an Actor? |
| 00:35.23 | Razernok | yes |
| 00:35.46 | Reav | and u are attaching that so players can target it instead of whatever u are attaching it to? |
| 00:36.22 | Razernok | when a player clicks a unit this is attached to the unit to make it appear like its selected |
| 00:36.45 | Razernok | yet the unit isn't really selected |
| 00:36.51 | Reav | why not just make an effect |
| 00:37.46 | Razernok | needs to size to the unit which is what GroundLocalSelection already does since its the actually selection thing |
| 00:38.10 | Razernok | even changes color depends on alliance setting |
| 00:39.11 | Razernok | but when i attach an actor to a unit it doesn't move with the unit |
| 00:39.31 | Reav | strange it should lol |
| 00:39.42 | Razernok | well it doesn't |
| 00:39.56 | Reav | have u tested anything else |
| 00:40.06 | Razernok | tested what? |
| 00:40.19 | Reav | like trying to attach 2 actors that u havnt messed with |
| 00:40.24 | Reav | to see if its something u did |
| 00:40.29 | Reav | or something blizzard did |
| 00:40.55 | Razernok | I never touched the data editor, GroundLocalSelection is a blizzard actor |
| 00:41.07 | Razernok | I didn't make it |
| 00:41.12 | Reav | 1 sec ive got editor open |
| 00:42.28 | Razernok | I need it to be visible to only the player who did the selection, and change color based on alliance |
| 00:43.36 | Tordy | DAMN |
| 00:43.38 | Tordy | :( |
| 00:45.07 | Reav | ya |
| 00:45.17 | Reav | i just attached the helion actor to the head of an archon |
| 00:45.24 | Reav | and it follows the archon around |
| 00:45.54 | Reav | however it kind of looks like i have the helion selected |
| 00:46.03 | Reav | and not the archon |
| 00:46.16 | Reav | so it could be that the reason its not following your unit around |
| 00:46.26 | Reav | is because u have the attached actor selected |
| 00:48.08 | Razernok | I have the unit move |
| 00:48.27 | Razernok | and the actor doesn't move |
| 00:48.54 | Reav | if i were u I would open up data and look at the actor itself |
| 00:48.59 | Reav | or I would create my own |
| 00:49.02 | Reav | to do what u want |
| 00:49.16 | Razernok | again, I *don't* know the data editor |
| 00:49.22 | Reav | i just tried to attach the ground local selection actor and it doesnt even show up |
| 00:49.23 | Reav | well |
| 00:49.28 | Reav | u cant edit without knowing it |
| 00:49.42 | Reav | u cant build a game in triggers alone |
| 00:49.52 | Reav | well maybe u can but I wouldnt lol |
| 00:50.50 | Razernok | I did Actor - Attach GroundLocalSelection to Origin on (Triggering unit) and i can see it |
| 00:51.10 | Razernok | the unit its attached to isn't actually selected though |
| 00:52.06 | Reav | and u want it to be right? |
| 00:52.27 | Reav | so u can move that and the attach actor will follow |
| 00:52.55 | Razernok | Here is how it works: Player 1 clicks unit A, apply selection actor to unit A for player 1 |
| 00:53.18 | Razernok | if unit A moves the actor moves with it |
| 00:55.26 | Reav | ok ive replicated your problem |
| 00:55.28 | Reav | give me a afew |
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| 00:58.25 | Razernok | k |
| 00:59.09 | Reav | done easy fix |
| 00:59.11 | Reav | open data |
| 00:59.25 | Razernok | k |
| 00:59.25 | Reav | find localgroundwhatever under actors |
| 00:59.28 | Reav | select it |
| 00:59.44 | Reav | goto hosting - host |
| 01:00.08 | Reav | under subject u will see its _selection |
| 01:00.14 | Reav | change that to _unit |
| 01:00.41 | Reav | Alrighting |
| 01:00.46 | Reav | now someone fix my problem |
| 01:00.56 | Reav | How do i make a behaviour |
| 01:00.59 | Reav | apply an upgrade |
| 01:01.16 | Reav | since i cant apply and effect of issue order to it |
| 01:01.28 | Reav | since issue order sucks giant balls in data |
| 01:01.37 | Reav | i checked the XML |
| 01:01.44 | Reav | and the command array index |
| 01:01.56 | Reav | is like Upgrade_01 |
| 01:02.07 | Reav | so i cant just use a normal Integer |
| 01:02.13 | Reav | so the issue order doesnt work |
| 01:02.48 | Reav | so i need to find a way to apply an upgrade to an ability when a unit requires a specific behaviour |
| 01:04.12 | Razernok | Reav: didn't work. stays in the same spot |
| 01:04.23 | Reav | worked for me |
| 01:04.27 | Reav | uhm |
| 01:04.53 | Reav | oh wait |
| 01:05.07 | Reav | i also changed Host site operations |
| 01:05.15 | Reav | right now its set to origin |
| 01:05.16 | Reav | remove that |
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| 01:06.53 | Razernok | works now |
| 01:06.56 | Razernok | thx |
| 01:07.10 | Tordy | hello |
| 01:09.55 | Reav | np |
| 01:09.56 | Reav | and hello |
| 01:10.09 | Reav | someone halp me |
| 01:10.10 | Reav | lol |
| 01:10.29 | Reav | how can I apply an upgrade without triggers |
| 01:10.58 | Reav | more or less depending on what unit is created |
| 01:11.07 | Reav | i want a different upgrade to be applied to a unit |
| 01:11.34 | Reav | right now ive been working with transfering a behaviour from the created unit to the main unit that I want the upgrade on |
| 01:11.48 | Reav | but the effect issue order doesnt work with upgrades |
| 01:11.54 | Reav | anyone have any ideas? |
| 01:12.56 | Tordy | wish Motive was here |
| 01:17.17 | Razernok | damnit, new bug, i can see another player's selection |
| 01:18.59 | Razernok | grrrrrr |
| 01:19.42 | Reav | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/map-development/10315-solved-unit-actor-only-visible-for-one-player/ |
| 01:19.45 | Reav | check this thread out |
| 01:19.48 | Reav | should help |
| 01:21.41 | Razernok | I don't want to hide the unit, just the selection thing |
| 01:22.08 | Razernok | can't place a behavior onto an actor |
| 01:22.58 | Reav | the actually graphic will be a model |
| 01:23.02 | Reav | u can create a unit |
| 01:23.07 | Reav | and assign it to the actor |
| 01:23.22 | Reav | whatever is applied to that unit will effect the actor |
| 01:23.30 | Reav | u really should learn the data editor |
| 01:23.32 | Reav | :) |
| 01:23.58 | Tordy | hi! |
| 01:24.07 | Reav | HELLO |
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| 01:25.38 | Razernok | :( |
| 01:26.46 | Tordy | so im trying to convert all my GUI triggers to galaxy code |
| 01:26.51 | Tordy | by replacing MapScript.galaxy |
| 01:26.52 | Tordy | it worked |
| 01:26.58 | Tordy | but external strings dont work |
| 01:27.05 | Tordy | so it keeps showing param/value/# etc |
| 01:27.24 | Helral|zzz | use StringToText then ;p |
| 01:27.33 | Tordy | hwhat |
| 01:27.42 | Reav | the real question is why do u need to convert it in the first place |
| 01:27.56 | Helral|zzz | to avoid localization issues ;p |
| 01:27.56 | Tordy | cuz code rulez!!! duh |
| 01:28.26 | Tordy | also reduced my map size from 550KB to 230KB |
| 01:28.38 | Tordy | everything works too |
| 01:29.00 | Tordy | only thing missing is the external strings |
| 01:29.07 | Tordy | which i know is all stored in the triggerstrings.txt |
| 01:29.13 | Tordy | i put it back but it didnt work |
| 01:29.25 | Razernok | so much for faking unit selection :( |
| 01:30.16 | Tordy | also obfuscation |
| 01:30.36 | Tordy | easier to obfuscate code than GUI triggers |
| 01:31.18 | Reav | i know code |
| 01:31.25 | Tordy | hi |
| 01:31.27 | Reav | but why would u with an awesome GUI |
| 01:31.45 | Reav | let alone if u are just converting it |
| 01:31.50 | Reav | and u dont even know code yourself |
| 01:32.00 | JMan^ | raz, you're just doing it for a second? |
| 01:32.06 | Reav | your just asking for trrouble in the future |
| 01:32.16 | Tordy | i edit my map with the GUI |
| 01:32.29 | Tordy | but I want to publish the map and share it w/ obfuscated code |
| 01:32.36 | JMan^ | you could use cloak/burrow in combination with revealers to hide units |
| 01:32.53 | Tordy | JMan do you know how to convert all gui triggers to purely galaxy code |
| 01:33.10 | Tordy | i got it to work |
| 01:33.17 | Tordy | except external strings dont work correctly |
| 01:33.31 | JMan^ | i've never messed with galaxy script |
| 01:33.31 | Tordy | so you always see param/value/### |
| 01:33.32 | Tordy | in the map |
| 01:33.38 | Tordy | JMan :( |
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| 01:34.01 | Tordy | im not actually coding in galaxy |
| 01:34.10 | Tordy | i edit my original copy via GUI triggers |
| 01:34.21 | Tordy | but when i publish it, i convert it to code so i can obfuscate it |
| 01:34.28 | JMan^ | you're trying to protect your banks? |
| 01:34.38 | Tordy | that's a start |
| 01:34.48 | Tordy | also reduces file size which is kinda nice |
| 01:34.53 | JMan^ | if that's the case, you're on a fool's errand |
| 01:35.11 | JMan^ | a cheat can just run your code |
| 01:35.16 | JMan^ | to generate their own bank |
| 01:35.26 | Tordy | but then they'll have to find the variable to change |
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| 01:35.41 | Tordy | which might be too annoying, which turns them off |
| 01:35.43 | JMan^ | and only one person needs to find it |
| 01:35.55 | JMan^ | and tell other people |
| 01:36.02 | Tordy | well hopefully it lasts long enough |
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| 01:36.24 | Technomancer | JMan^! |
| 01:36.28 | Razernok | I guess faking unit selection per player isn't possible :( |
| 01:36.29 | JMan^ | wassup |
| 01:36.36 | Technomancer | your bookcase, nigga |
| 01:36.39 | Technomancer | finished |
| 01:36.40 | JMan^ | it absolutely is |
| 01:36.46 | Tordy | it'll at the very least postpone them finding out very early on |
| 01:36.47 | JMan^ | you're just afraid of data |
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| 01:37.02 | JMan^ | well, it might work tordy |
| 01:37.08 | JMan^ | but i would have low expectations |
| 01:37.10 | Tordy | not just that reason anyway |
| 01:37.18 | Tordy | literally reduced the map's file size to half |
| 01:37.22 | Tordy | which is nice |
| 01:37.28 | Hedus | tordy is too hard to say, needs an e instead |
| 01:37.31 | Technomancer | http://rapidshare.com/files/446773411/Bookcase.m3 |
| 01:37.46 | Tordy | 550KB to 230KB |
| 01:37.53 | Technomancer | When you put it in the Doodad, set Variations to 1, otherwise u get white sphere |
| 01:38.24 | Tordy | wait if they're trigger what the heck! |
| 01:39.12 | JMan^ | that's really cool techno |
| 01:39.32 | JMan^ | it's gonna be a unit, not a doodad |
| 01:39.43 | JMan^ | i can place units a little more freely |
| 01:39.52 | JMan^ | give them footprints, whatnot |
| 01:39.53 | Technomancer | ok |
| 01:39.58 | Technomancer | glad you like it! :D |
| 01:40.06 | JMan^ | i do indeed |
| 01:40.08 | JMan^ | i like the books |
| 01:40.32 | Technomancer | better than a plane with a bitmap image i think |
| 01:40.49 | JMan^ | indeed |
| 01:40.56 | Technomancer | bonus is: it uses an already existing texture. the castanar cabinet. it had other shit aside from books tho, and it was 3 high |
| 01:41.12 | Technomancer | not 2, so this is really infinitely more appropriate |
| 01:41.30 | Technomancer | anything else for the room? |
| 01:42.00 | JMan^ | actually i need potted plants |
| 01:42.19 | JMan^ | the plants could be stolen from the game |
| 01:45.24 | Tordy | YES |
| 01:45.29 | Tordy | It's NOT triggerstrings.txt |
| 01:45.30 | Tordy | omfg |
| 01:45.34 | Tordy | how can i be so dumb! |
| 01:45.49 | Tordy | triggerstrings.txt just defines the stuff in the GUI |
| 01:45.50 | Tordy | doh |
| 01:45.59 | Tordy | actual game strings in gamestrings.txt xfd |
| 01:46.05 | JMan^ | :P |
| 01:46.21 | Tordy | when i deleted all my GUI triggers, it deleted trigger-related game strings inside gamestrings.txt |
| 01:46.31 | Tordy | so i noticed it was cut in half |
| 01:46.35 | Tordy | the file size of gamestrings.txt |
| 01:47.50 | Tordy | hello JMan^ |
| 01:48.10 | Tordy | 543KB to 247KB |
| 01:48.11 | JMan^ | success? |
| 01:48.17 | Tordy | now that's a sweet file size reduction |
| 01:49.17 | Tordy | SUCCESS!!! |
| 01:49.24 | Tordy | wow there needs to be a tutorial on this |
| 01:49.26 | JMan^ | booyah |
| 01:49.31 | JMan^ | so make it |
| 01:49.45 | Tordy | because every tutorial on converting to galaxy script assumes you already coded in galaxy |
| 01:50.04 | Tordy | this one is converting to pure GUI triggers to pure code |
| 01:50.16 | Tordy | for reasons like obfuscating and reducing file size |
| 01:50.39 | Technomancer | what did you do to shrink the filesize like that specifically? |
| 01:50.46 | Technomancer | nvm, just write the tutorial XD |
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| 01:51.06 | Tordy | i just deleted all my GUI triggers |
| 01:51.10 | JMan^ | yeah, only one way the tutorial's getting written... |
| 01:51.25 | Technomancer | you can delete everything u dont need really |
| 01:51.28 | Tordy | GUI triggers take a lot more space than pure code apparently |
| 01:51.35 | Tordy | well i saved the code in the script viewer |
| 01:51.43 | Tordy | afterwards i deleted all the gui |
| 01:51.44 | Technomancer | JMan^ do they already got potted plants? |
| 01:51.54 | Technomancer | I didnt understand, u said u need em but they can be sstolen |
| 01:51.57 | Tordy | and then savced the script as main.galaxy |
| 01:51.59 | mahashiro | hey guys, what's the name of the tooltip that shows up when you hover over the unit wireframe? |
| 01:52.01 | Tordy | imported it |
| 01:52.05 | JMan^ | plants themselves |
| 01:52.06 | Tordy | then renamed it to MapScript.galaxy |
| 01:52.10 | JMan^ | could be stolen |
| 01:52.13 | Technomancer | OH u want a pot |
| 01:52.15 | Technomancer | Gotcha |
| 01:52.15 | JMan^ | i don't think any of them are potted |
| 01:52.20 | Technomancer | yeah |
| 01:52.22 | JMan^ | i can check tho just to make sure |
| 01:52.28 | Technomancer | import the plants, pot em, got it |
| 01:53.01 | JMan^ | also, think of what pokemon you'd like named after you and how :P |
| 01:53.57 | Technomancer | hey JMan |
| 01:54.06 | Technomancer | haha cheers |
| 01:54.11 | Technomancer | but check out the carbon marine block doodad |
| 01:54.27 | JMan^ | oh, i know the one |
| 01:54.28 | Technomancer | I was thinking, for the pokemon center, u gotta have a special table for the healing |
| 01:54.30 | Technomancer | yeah |
| 01:54.36 | JMan^ | oooo |
| 01:54.42 | JMan^ | i like the way you think |
| 01:54.43 | Tordy | let's see if it actually reduces published file size |
| 01:54.44 | Technomancer | do u wanna use that instead for oaks, and use the one i gave u for the pokemon center? |
| 01:54.53 | mahashiro | oh it's under button |
| 01:54.55 | JMan^ | i have a whole bunch of "i might use this" doodads on my map |
| 01:55.00 | mahashiro | button/tooltip |
| 01:55.00 | JMan^ | he's there |
| 01:55.37 | JMan^ | i'm not sure yet |
| 01:55.44 | JMan^ | let me lay it all out |
| 01:55.51 | JMan^ | i'm not really to pokecenters quite yet |
| 01:55.54 | JMan^ | prolly next tho |
| 01:55.56 | Technomancer | well tell ya what, u can keep the table there for now, you dont lose anything by doing that |
| 01:56.03 | Technomancer | and u can update it that way when we cross that bridge |
| 01:56.12 | Technomancer | because that table is ideal |
| 01:56.21 | Technomancer | but idk |
| 01:56.26 | JMan^ | i kinda like the marine for the pokecenter |
| 01:56.38 | JMan^ | i need to be able to lay out pokeballs on the table in oaks |
| 01:56.41 | Technomancer | ok, I can put the glowing in no problem (hopefully) |
| 01:57.01 | Technomancer | but for oaks table, do u want it to glow? if all of em glow it loses novelty doncha think? |
| 01:57.18 | Technomancer | I can make marine glow, the dissection one not |
| 01:57.39 | JMan^ | dissect table is fine |
| 01:57.46 | Technomancer | k |
| 01:57.57 | Technomancer | so just the carbon then |
| 01:58.06 | JMan^ | yeah, that would be pretty cool |
| 01:58.11 | Technomancer | k |
| 01:58.14 | JMan^ | especially if i could trigger it |
| 01:58.29 | Technomancer | oh... idk how to do that, glowing is a texture layer in itself |
| 01:58.40 | JMan^ | gotcha |
| 01:58.46 | JMan^ | maybe i'll replace the unit then |
| 01:58.50 | Technomancer | no triggers really involved.. I mean it MIGHT be possible, but im just not aware of it |
| 01:58.51 | JMan^ | when they are healing |
| 01:59.02 | Tordy | >:] |
| 01:59.04 | JMan^ | actor events is what i was thinking |
| 01:59.19 | Tordy | jman you write the tutorial |
| 01:59.33 | JMan^ | i'm already working on one |
| 01:59.40 | Tordy | well here's another one for you for free! |
| 01:59.41 | Tordy | :] |
| 01:59.50 | Tordy | takes like 2 min to write anyway |
| 01:59.59 | Technomancer | actor events... you mean data module or triggers? |
| 02:00.05 | JMan^ | i'm on part 3 of like 5 on a comprehensive dialog tutorial |
| 02:00.15 | JMan^ | data |
| 02:00.18 | Tordy | ;/ |
| 02:00.24 | JMan^ | like firing a model animation |
| 02:00.30 | JMan^ | through the actor |
| 02:00.47 | JMan^ | replacing a unit will work just fine tho |
| 02:01.03 | JMan^ | replace the regular one with the glowing one |
| 02:01.08 | JMan^ | wammo! |
| 02:01.16 | Technomancer | ahhhh... animations are one thing, theres a matrix for those, but textures idk. replacing sounds like the way to go. it wont take up much room anyway, it'll be under 80kb max I think |
| 02:02.04 | Tordy | damn still need to check out dem |
| 02:02.06 | Tordy | wassup |
| 02:02.15 | Technomancer | I actually dont know how to replace units, gonna wanna know that later |
| 02:02.27 | JMan^ | there's a trigger called Replace Unit |
| 02:02.45 | Technomancer | XD of course its that simple |
| 02:02.59 | JMan^ | it can also be done in data |
| 02:03.01 | Technomancer | I only used triggers before to set movement directions from regions |
| 02:03.10 | JMan^ | burrow would be an example |
| 02:03.12 | Technomancer | Right, the data one is what im curious about |
| 02:03.19 | Technomancer | well isnt burrow an animation? |
| 02:03.24 | JMan^ | nope |
| 02:03.27 | Technomancer | oh wait |
| 02:03.28 | JMan^ | unit replacement |
| 02:03.36 | Technomancer | yeah I remember now |
| 02:03.43 | Technomancer | it does change when u click it |
| 02:04.01 | JMan^ | i remember specifically because it was a hassle for my zergling hero |
| 02:04.13 | JMan^ | he'd become a burrowed zergling with no special stats |
| 02:05.11 | Technomancer | yeah I had ideas for "spec changes" on special units, not burrowing but like the 3 different forms robotech/macross fighters had, and it always reset the damn thing |
| 02:05.18 | Technomancer | like healthwise I mean |
| 02:05.24 | Technomancer | and ability timers, like it was new |
| 02:05.29 | Technomancer | so yeah |
| 02:05.29 | JMan^ | oh yeah, that's another example |
| 02:05.37 | JMan^ | vikings |
| 02:05.42 | Technomancer | EXACTLY |
| 02:05.43 | Razernok | :( |
| 02:05.49 | Technomancer | but I broked it XD |
| 02:05.54 | Technomancer | kept resetting the unit |
| 02:06.54 | Razernok | is sad |
| 02:07.34 | JMan^ | dammit, messing with models on a mod is annoying |
| 02:07.45 | JMan^ | i need to switch back and forth to a map to see anything |
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| 02:12.07 | Technomancer | my models causin problems? |
| 02:12.17 | JMan^ | no |
| 02:12.20 | Razernok | :( |
| 02:12.41 | JMan^ | i do need to scale the z just a touch |
| 02:12.50 | JMan^ | the problem is i can't see it quickly |
| 02:13.01 | JMan^ | i have to scale a couple of other models too, same problem |
| 02:13.15 | JMan^ | also footprints |
| 02:13.27 | JMan^ | i can't change the footprint and then make sure it works right |
| 02:13.31 | JMan^ | without switching to a map |
| 02:14.42 | Razernok | how bout doing it in the map first until it works then copy it over |
| 02:14.54 | JMan^ | perhaps |
| 02:15.02 | JMan^ | but i've had issues copying map to mod |
| 02:15.08 | JMan^ | especially with actors |
| 02:15.40 | JMan^ | if they're entirely custom tho, that could work... |
| 02:17.44 | Technomancer | I just realized something with some doodads, If I find out how they work, it might be possible to do something in terms of triggering the glow. I havent done it before but it depends where its getting it from (using cables as reference) |
| 02:18.17 | Razernok | i wish it was possible to do what i need to do |
| 02:19.26 | Technomancer | what u need? |
| 02:19.41 | Razernok | I need to fake unit selection |
| 02:20.10 | Tordy | obfuscation wont work for banks well |
| 02:20.40 | Tordy | because there's literally a function called BankValueGet that cant be obfuscated, damn natives |
| 02:24.00 | Technomancer | fake unit selection? |
| 02:24.08 | Razernok | yea |
| 02:24.23 | Technomancer | I mean u could make a cursor area select thing appear without doin anything |
| 02:24.31 | Technomancer | idk what u really mean tho |
| 02:24.45 | Razernok | make it look like the unit is selected to player X when its not really selected |
| 02:28.11 | Razernok | i see no way to do it |
| 02:35.01 | JMan^ | can you see what someone else has selected? |
| 02:35.51 | Razernok | no |
| 02:36.21 | Razernok | like player 1 selects unit A player 2 can't see the selection circle for player 1 |
| 02:36.35 | JMan^ | ok so? |
| 02:36.41 | JMan^ | what are you trying to do then |
| 02:36.43 | Razernok | unless player 2 clicks unit A |
| 02:37.27 | Razernok | just like how unit selection works normally |
| 02:37.42 | Razernok | just not actually selecting the unit |
| 02:40.24 | Technomancer | your point is to make it look fake, but for who? no one else can see wat u select, so is it to fool yourself? |
| 02:41.26 | Razernok | correct |
| 02:41.37 | Razernok | only the player who clicked the unit |
| 02:44.16 | Sumo- | omg, im 1 slot off the front page |
| 02:44.17 | Sumo- | shit! |
| 02:45.01 | Razernok | :( |
| 02:47.36 | Technomancer | So JMan^ u need me to put plants in the pots, or do u just want the pot and u can unit-place em into the pots as you please? |
| 02:48.00 | JMan^ | placing them as i please sounds cool |
| 02:48.08 | JMan^ | less space required too |
| 02:48.33 | Technomancer | well it would mean making the plant doodads unit i'd think, or finding a way to make em not collide & raising their Z as well |
| 02:49.02 | JMan^ | is there a way to set up attachment points? |
| 02:50.31 | Technomancer | idk |
| 02:50.57 | Technomancer | I mean, thats why I was saying you'd have to maneuver it into the pot yourself |
| 02:51.08 | Technomancer | but that way u get to choose what kinda plants are in each pot |
| 02:51.12 | JMan^ | i can do that |
| 02:51.14 | Technomancer | k |
| 02:51.34 | JMan^ | likes flexibility |
| 02:51.51 | Technomancer | I found a good reference to a pot, workin on it now |
| 02:52.27 | JMan^ | mmm... pot |
| 02:52.28 | Sumo- | the popularity system is still reset right |
| 02:52.30 | Sumo- | it didnt fix itself? |
| 02:52.39 | Sumo- | cause the numbers are similar to the old ones, but slightly lower.. |
| 02:55.49 | Motive | I need testers on NA for my Phantom Map. If anyone's interested. |
| 02:55.50 | Motive | Motive 866 :) |
| 03:01.48 | Motive | God damn getting a map through popularity is hard :P |
| 03:01.55 | Sumo- | i knows |
| 03:02.04 | Sumo- | ur phantom map is doing great but :( |
| 03:02.10 | Motive | oh you know about it? |
| 03:02.11 | Motive | xD |
| 03:02.24 | Sumo- | ur my nemisis |
| 03:02.34 | Sumo- | im above you by 1 slot |
| 03:02.39 | Motive | I'm on the list? |
| 03:02.40 | Motive | Lol |
| 03:02.45 | Sumo- | ?? |
| 03:02.57 | Motive | I thought I was like |
| 03:03.01 | Motive | so far down I didn't even make ito n the loadable list |
| 03:03.08 | Sumo- | ur on page 2 |
| 03:03.21 | Sumo- | #3 on pg2 |
| 03:03.25 | Motive | EU or US? |
| 03:03.26 | Sumo- | i'm #2 on pg2 |
| 03:03.27 | Sumo- | US |
| 03:03.39 | Motive | wrong map |
| 03:03.39 | Sumo- | i guess ur talking about EU |
| 03:03.41 | Motive | I'm PhantomCraft |
| 03:03.42 | Motive | Lol |
| 03:03.47 | Sumo- | oh LOL |
| 03:04.37 | Motive | Yeah |
| 03:04.39 | Motive | not on the list |
| 03:04.40 | Motive | rofl |
| 03:04.43 | Sumo- | :/ |
| 03:05.09 | Sumo- | it doesnt help when the system does random shit |
| 03:05.36 | Motive | I've released page 1 maps before, I just had an already existing community |
| 03:05.45 | Motive | which is stupid, because I shouldn't need one to make a map get played. |
| 03:05.45 | Razernok | :( |
| 03:05.47 | Motive | maybe not often, but still |
| 03:05.48 | Sumo- | srs damn |
| 03:06.08 | Sumo- | i said i would make page 1 for sure.. im eating my words #2 on pg2 |
| 03:06.23 | Sumo- | hopefully it makes it in the next day or so |
| 03:07.37 | Motive | You're lucky. I'd be happy with page 2/3 |
| 03:07.38 | Motive | :p |
| 03:08.46 | Sumo- | it dpeends, i spent so much time on it |
| 03:09.29 | Motive | I'm not gonna lie, I didn't spend a ton of time on it, but the result is good and the work was just crammed and I'm good at it |
| 03:09.42 | Motive | It's melee-variant so most of my work was in the code |
| 03:09.49 | Motive | which ended up being quite long and complex by now |
| 03:10.43 | Sumo- | :/ |
| 03:10.59 | Sumo- | mine took me bout 1.2 months at about 15hrs a day or something |
| 03:11.13 | Sumo- | thats ridiculas |
| 03:11.22 | Motive | I'm guessing your map was data heavy. xD |
| 03:11.30 | Sumo- | both heavy |
| 03:11.35 | Sumo- | but the trigger shit is so much easier |
| 03:11.44 | Sumo- | i have towers |
| 03:11.51 | Sumo- | with morph upgrades |
| 03:12.04 | Sumo- | 5 upgrades per tower |
| 03:12.05 | Motive | ah |
| 03:12.15 | Sumo- | aura towers... |
| 03:12.32 | Sumo- | switchable abilities |
| 03:12.38 | Sumo- | >_< |
| 03:13.02 | Motive | It'd be easier if I could like |
| 03:13.05 | Motive | go into a channel and be all |
| 03:13.11 | Motive | "Hey guys, let's try out my map I just made" |
| 03:13.16 | Motive | kinda like at least WC3/SC1 had |
| 03:13.21 | Motive | but battle.net feels so unsocial |
| 03:13.34 | Sumo- | yeah |
| 03:13.34 | Sumo- | agreed |
| 03:13.38 | Sumo- | +100000000000000 |
| 03:13.47 | Sumo- | its too clinical now |
| 03:13.57 | Sumo- | wc3 was nice and dirty |
| 03:14.14 | Motive | at least in WC3 if I made a map that was a bad idea |
| 03:14.16 | Motive | I'd create a game |
| 03:14.18 | Motive | host it |
| 03:14.22 | Motive | get a full house eventually |
| 03:14.23 | Motive | hit start |
| 03:14.24 | Sumo- | ppl join anyways lol |
| 03:14.26 | Motive | "wow dude ur map sucks" |
| 03:14.29 | Motive | ok thanks, will rethink |
| 03:14.39 | Sumo- | heh |
| 03:14.45 | Sumo- | agreed |
| 03:15.29 | Razernok | :( |
| 03:15.39 | Motive | the looking for custom game channel even sucks |
| 03:15.46 | Motive | 30 people usually, only 5 at most not in a game |
| 03:15.48 | Motive | and they're not interested |
| 03:17.47 | Razernok | I wish it was possible to do this fake unit selection thing. :( |
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| 04:39.56 | JMan^ | http://i51.tinypic.com/25u66jb.png |
| 04:40.02 | JMan^ | table and stools look good |
| 04:41.14 | JMan^ | based loosely on bottom room: http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/6/6c/Generation_IV_Red_House.png |
| 04:41.27 | Sumo- | nice |
| 04:41.59 | JMan^ | the rooms are coming along slowly but quickly |
| 04:42.03 | JMan^ | if that makes any sense |
| 04:43.17 | JMan^ | that is an awful pink rug |
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| 04:50.51 | Tordy | JMan^: |
| 04:50.53 | Tordy | Mephs: |
| 04:50.55 | Tordy | yes! |
| 04:51.05 | Sumo- | Sumo: |
| 04:51.06 | Sumo- | no! |
| 04:51.14 | Tordy | Stragus and Motive are here too |
| 04:51.16 | Tordy | even more awesome |
| 04:51.31 | Motive | TORDYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY |
| 04:51.32 | Tordy | now of those 4, which are actually here |
| 04:51.33 | Motive | what about motive? |
| 04:51.37 | Motive | motive is awesome? |
| 04:51.39 | Motive | I agree |
| 04:51.42 | Tordy | Motive!!! :)) |
| 04:51.43 | Motive | and actually here |
| 04:51.48 | Sumo- | :( |
| 04:51.58 | Tordy | well damn only Motive but better than nothing |
| 04:52.08 | Tordy | much better than nothing |
| 04:52.41 | Tordy | so Motive, how would you convert pure GUI triggers to pure code |
| 04:52.48 | Tordy | you replace the MapScript.galaxy right? |
| 04:52.49 | Motive | Data -> View Script |
| 04:53.17 | Motive | that's one way |
| 04:53.20 | Motive | I don't use that particular way |
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| 04:53.28 | Tordy | why not |
| 04:53.34 | Motive | messy hard to do |
| 04:53.35 | Tordy | you use more than one script im guessing |
| 04:53.36 | Motive | editor unfriendly |
| 04:54.05 | Motive | make a custom script in the Editor |
| 04:54.10 | Motive | include "Blah" |
| 04:54.12 | Tordy | well im just converting it to purely code, dont plan on editing the code itself |
| 04:54.14 | Motive | then put the init function |
| 04:54.17 | Tordy | when i edit, i just edit through GUI |
| 04:54.30 | Motive | then theres no point in using galaxy |
| 04:54.40 | Tordy | custom script? |
| 04:54.48 | Tordy | i tried not using any custom scripts |
| 04:54.50 | Tordy | and it worked fine |
| 04:54.57 | Tordy | my trigger editor is completely blank |
| 04:55.01 | Tordy | and the map seems to be working fine |
| 04:55.04 | Motive | yup |
| 04:55.05 | Motive | that works |
| 04:55.56 | Tordy | Motive, did Mephs figure out why his bank validation would fail sometimes |
| 04:56.10 | Motive | nope |
| 04:56.14 | Tordy | battlenet lag or desyncs can cause it something? |
| 04:56.25 | Motive | dont see why any of those would affect it |
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| 04:57.02 | Tordy | well it generates a signature, one of the data fields is player name and publisher name |
| 04:57.13 | Tordy | right? |
| 04:57.25 | Motive | suppose so |
| 04:57.30 | Tordy | doesnt that need bnet |
| 04:57.41 | Motive | yes but if it's desync'd then it wouldn't save the bank, would it? :P |
| 04:57.43 | Tordy | and for some reason it might fail to get the names in time |
| 04:57.54 | Tordy | well it saves the bank even when offline in the editor |
| 04:58.01 | Motive | yes but |
| 04:58.04 | Motive | triggers are synchronous |
| 04:58.06 | Motive | not asynchronous |
| 04:58.13 | Motive | BankSave() can't be called unless there's a hard connection |
| 04:58.25 | Motive | hence why you can't save a bank to a player after TriggerAddEventPlayerLeaves event |
| 04:58.42 | Tordy | hmmm |
| 04:58.49 | Tordy | is it still happening to Mephs |
| 04:59.01 | Motive | no idea |
| 04:59.16 | Tordy | anyone here w/ a popular map that used banks & signatures confirm |
| 04:59.40 | Tordy | i remember seeing people playing desert strike getting thier stats randomly cleared |
| 04:59.45 | Tordy | not sure if the desert strike guy used signatures |
| 04:59.53 | Motive | I'll confirm it for Phantom Mode by Infernal |
| 05:02.04 | Motive | afk a few |
| 05:02.44 | Tordy | now that Motive is afk, which of those 3 (Mephs, JMan^, Stragus) is up the plate! |
| 05:02.51 | Tordy | and Sumo- too i suppose |
| 05:03.52 | JMan^ | for? |
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| 05:04.09 | Tordy | hi JMan^ |
| 05:04.14 | Technomancer | JMan^ u there? |
| 05:04.30 | JMan^ | yes |
| 05:04.46 | Technomancer | did it again :D |
| 05:06.11 | Technomancer | http://rapidshare.com/files/446790955/pot.rar |
| 05:06.26 | Technomancer | texture goes in assets/textures of course |
| 05:10.16 | JMan^ | awesome |
| 05:10.28 | Technomancer | does it work for ya? |
| 05:10.37 | JMan^ | yes indeed |
| 05:10.55 | JMan^ | especially with the texture |
| 05:10.58 | Technomancer | ironic |
| 05:11.05 | Technomancer | it isnt workin for me XD where do u have the model? |
| 05:11.15 | JMan^ | root |
| 05:11.27 | Technomancer | idk why it does this to me |
| 05:11.33 | Technomancer | I saved too |
| 05:11.38 | Technomancer | so it should be showin up for me |
| 05:11.52 | JMan^ | you should see my import list |
| 05:12.49 | Technomancer | HAH it works for me now |
| 05:12.57 | Technomancer | I had to fuckin close the editor and reopen it |
| 05:13.04 | JMan^ | that'll happen |
| 05:13.10 | Technomancer | I fuckin hate that, it makes it hard/obnoxious to troubleshoot |
| 05:13.13 | JMan^ | sometimes when i update a texture it takes forever |
| 05:15.42 | Technomancer | I can shrink the texture resolution if u want, its only 42 or so kb tho |
| 05:15.59 | Technomancer | ok now I gotta do some pokemon XD |
| 05:17.23 | JMan^ | i'm pretty good with bitmaps |
| 05:17.28 | JMan^ | did a lot of web design |
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| 05:20.09 | JMan^ | so i might end up with a few different color pots :P |
| 05:20.16 | Technomancer | bitmaps are limited in their functionality tho but at times its simplicity has its advantages |
| 05:20.18 | Technomancer | ahh very good |
| 05:20.28 | mahashiro | anybody here good with player attributes? |
| 05:20.29 | Technomancer | I assumed u wanted a traditional terracotta |
| 05:20.45 | JMan^ | absolutely. it looks great |
| 05:24.43 | Technomancer | Send me a screenshot immediately when u finish Oak's room |
| 05:24.50 | Technomancer | ....oh, did you want Pokeballs, btw? |
| 05:25.00 | JMan^ | don't need them |
| 05:25.07 | Technomancer | whaaaa |
| 05:25.16 | Technomancer | boy, you crazy |
| 05:25.32 | JMan^ | there're several models i can use |
| 05:25.43 | JMan^ | first of all, the pokeballs are "grav spheres" |
| 05:25.57 | JMan^ | basically the graviton from the pheonix |
| 05:26.12 | Technomancer | nawww cmon its a very undemanding item, |
| 05:26.17 | JMan^ | so i just need a semi-transluscent sphere |
| 05:26.30 | Technomancer | You cant have pokemon without the pokeball, whats wrong with you? XD |
| 05:26.31 | JMan^ | which there are several |
| 05:26.57 | JMan^ | shape - sphere |
| 05:26.58 | Technomancer | Ok ok tell ya what; even if you decide NOT to use it, can you take screenshots with 3 on Oaks table if I make it for ya? |
| 05:27.39 | JMan^ | i can, but i can't use the actual pokeball because of copyright |
| 05:28.18 | Technomancer | copyrights cover up to 10% appearance difference |
| 05:28.22 | Technomancer | so...hmm.. |
| 05:28.31 | Technomancer | yes that is difficult as it is a simple shape already |
| 05:28.44 | Technomancer | what about a sphere that's half red, half white? |
| 05:28.49 | Technomancer | keeping it simple |
| 05:30.05 | Technomancer | (I deal with the patent office, I know the technicalities on stuff like that XD it wont be any worse than what you're already doin) |
| 05:30.05 | JMan^ | i'm really just fine with the red one that the game already has |
| 05:30.30 | Technomancer | im gonna make it anyway, its no trouble |
| 05:30.32 | JMan^ | i'm treading a thin line is what i'm doing |
| 05:30.40 | JMan^ | but i should be ok |
| 05:30.56 | Technomancer | red/white ball with no black middle and button in the middle isnt really pushing it |
| 05:31.03 | JMan^ | but i want to avoid obvious things |
| 05:31.14 | Technomancer | its not a distinctly recognizable image |
| 05:31.20 | JMan^ | but the effect used doesn't look like that |
| 05:31.30 | Technomancer | effect? |
| 05:31.34 | JMan^ | it's just a clear transluscent sphere |
| 05:32.23 | Technomancer | I can make it opaque. really its no issue it'll take up miniscule space |
| 05:33.52 | JMan^ | http://i53.tinypic.com/20fw9b4.png |
| 05:34.16 | JMan^ | that's a "poke ball" |
| 05:34.29 | JMan^ | or a grav sphere as they will be called |
| 05:35.38 | Technomancer | That could be good for the capturing, but for a projectile or standalone object... cmon XD |
| 05:36.48 | JMan^ | have you looked at what's already available? it's fine |
| 05:37.00 | Technomancer | -_- |
| 05:37.41 | Technomancer | well thats the geometry, what about the texture? u can always reassign a texture to an existing model by just naming it the same as its old texture |
| 05:38.25 | Tordy | PROBICHU!? |
| 05:38.26 | Tordy | XFD |
| 05:38.28 | Tordy | i love it |
| 05:38.44 | Technomancer | lol |
| 05:39.11 | Tordy | you guys are good w/ importing 3d models into sc2 right |
| 05:39.15 | Tordy | how do you make them selectable |
| 05:39.19 | Tordy | because i cant figure it out |
| 05:39.30 | Tordy | say i change the marine to a new .m3 |
| 05:39.37 | Tordy | i tried but i couldn't select the marine |
| 05:39.40 | Tordy | and all i did was change the m3 |
| 05:40.02 | Technomancer | thats odd |
| 05:40.03 | Tordy | by select i mean using the mouse, not clickable, draggable etc |
| 05:40.58 | JMan^ | those are all unit properties |
| 05:41.05 | JMan^ | shouldn't have anything to do with the model or actor |
| 05:42.11 | Tordy | you sure |
| 05:42.30 | Tordy | alright change the marine's model to numeric_# |
| 05:42.40 | Tordy | and see if you can get it to be clickable |
| 05:42.48 | Tordy | forgot the exact name |
| 05:42.57 | Tordy | just search for numeric in the model viewer |
| 05:42.59 | Tordy | and pick any number |
| 05:45.07 | Tordy | Sumo^away: |
| 05:45.09 | Tordy | oh man :[ |
| 05:47.15 | Technomancer | JMan^ http://rapidshare.com/files/446793786/PKBALL.rar |
| 05:47.36 | Technomancer | just consider it, and even if u decide not to use it, i'd love a screenshot of oak's lab with 3 on the table please :D |
| 05:55.48 | Razernok | :( |
| 05:56.27 | Technomancer | wut? |
| 05:56.33 | Razernok | is a sad panda |
| 05:59.10 | Technomancer | Razernok if you're sad, listen to this http://www.pipboy.org/~rotj/stuff/Das%20Racist%20&%20Wallpaper%20-%20Combination%20Pizza%20Hut%20And%20Taco%20Bell%20%28Wallpaper.%20RMX%29.mp3 |
| 05:59.22 | Razernok | ummm, no |
| 05:59.30 | Razernok | won't help me with my problem |
| 06:00.39 | Technomancer | Well it won't help mine either.. |
| 06:00.47 | Technomancer | we just have a Combination KFC/Taco Bell |
| 06:01.06 | Technomancer | Pizza Hut would be a bit over a mile away -_- |
| 06:03.02 | Razernok | I can't think of any way to do fake unit selection |
| 06:04.40 | Technomancer | well if you get too upset, remember you can always / your wrists |
| 06:07.18 | Technomancer | JMan^ u dere m8? |
| 06:10.26 | Razernok | i guess he isn't |
| 06:10.34 | Razernok | but i'm here though |
| 06:11.46 | Technomancer | ok |
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| 06:13.24 | QueenGambit | hello everyone |
| 06:13.31 | Sumo^away | sup |
| 06:13.53 | QueenGambit | hows the music map studying? |
| 06:13.58 | Razernok | Hey queen |
| 06:14.01 | Sumo- | i sent it to ya yesterday |
| 06:14.11 | QueenGambit | oh wow thats fast |
| 06:14.13 | QueenGambit | k checking |
| 06:14.16 | Sumo- | yeh i did say 2hrs lol |
| 06:14.35 | QueenGambit | hey Razernok, wanna play the WoW trial with me lol |
| 06:14.44 | Sumo- | dont do it! |
| 06:14.53 | Sumo- | WOAH |
| 06:14.58 | Sumo- | Sixen: thanks for featuring me |
| 06:15.02 | Razernok | I have WoW |
| 06:15.11 | Razernok | but can't play right now |
| 06:16.11 | Tordy | hey Sumo- |
| 06:16.18 | Sumo- | yo |
| 06:16.24 | Tordy | congrats on making front page of sc2mapster! :) |
| 06:16.30 | Sumo- | ^_^ |
| 06:17.18 | Sumo- | i hope it does the map some good |
| 06:20.40 | QueenGambit | tbh, the only ppl that check the sc2mapster forum is map makers and we only have a handful with respect to the total custom sc2 players =/ |
| 06:21.28 | QueenGambit | anyway, I always love to play a good Def map so i'll be sure to randomly spam your TD map to anyone available |
| 06:22.02 | Sumo- | lol cheers |
| 06:22.04 | QueenGambit | cool a gambling system |
| 06:22.13 | QueenGambit | my DSN map will have a gambling system =D |
| 06:22.18 | Sumo- | :D makes me happy that u like it |
| 06:22.39 | Razernok | :( |
| 06:23.09 | Sumo- | did u try the music map |
| 06:24.57 | QueenGambit | it looks good thanks |
| 06:25.21 | QueenGambit | crazy zoom |
| 06:25.23 | Sumo- | du u know the shareound problem solution? |
| 06:25.32 | Sumo- | blah, share sound |
| 06:25.36 | QueenGambit | yah i can fix |
| 06:25.46 | Sumo- | what was the problem? |
| 06:26.35 | QueenGambit | hmm i forget lol |
| 06:26.41 | QueenGambit | i think i have to set allies to everyone |
| 06:26.44 | QueenGambit | with everyone |
| 06:26.45 | QueenGambit | brb |
| 06:26.52 | Sumo- | yeh i did that though :( |
| 06:27.05 | Sumo- | i actually wrote u a request board too |
| 06:27.12 | Sumo- | but it got complications so i deleted it lol |
| 06:27.30 | Sumo- | figured it was gold plating as well; |
| 06:29.13 | Razernok | :( |
| 06:30.56 | Sumo- | :( wats up |
| 06:32.55 | Tordy | what gambling system |
| 06:33.31 | Razernok | I see no way to make this fake unit selection work |
| 06:34.04 | Sumo- | my map has some gambling |
| 06:34.14 | Sumo- | fake unit selection? |
| 06:35.16 | Razernok | make it look like the unit is selection for said player when its not |
| 06:35.29 | Razernok | like player 1 selects unit A player 2 can't see the selection circle for player 1 |
| 06:35.48 | Sumo- | hrm :/ |
| 06:35.56 | Sumo- | i know when like u capture builings using power |
| 06:36.05 | Sumo- | they look liek their selected dont they? |
| 06:36.16 | Sumo- | with the spinny circle thing |
| 06:36.24 | Sumo- | u could just mock all the actors? |
| 06:36.52 | Razernok | when you attach the actor to a unit all players can see it though |
| 06:37.06 | Sumo- | oh |
| 06:37.17 | Sumo- | and i guess normal selection isnt |
| 06:37.42 | Razernok | the player doesn't actually have the unit selected |
| 06:37.51 | Razernok | just looks like they do |
| 06:38.21 | Sumo- | hmm |
| 06:38.37 | Sumo- | dunno , ureal problem is hiding it from the other user |
| 06:39.18 | Razernok | sadly, can't since actor triggers have no option for hiding it to a player |
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| 06:56.40 | Dogmai | Helral|zzz: !! |
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| 07:46.09 | QueenGambit | i am back |
| 07:46.19 | QueenGambit | hrmm i'll have to look into the shard sound problem |
| 07:46.30 | QueenGambit | right now i must youtube cats playing piano! |
| 07:46.36 | Sumo- | ^_^ |
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| 08:40.19 | teelo | Need action to use for "unit finishes morphing into another unit" |
| 08:40.41 | Sumo- | ? |
| 08:40.53 | teelo | finished creating didnt work |
| 08:40.57 | Sumo- | ability? |
| 08:41.19 | Sumo- | u want a hook in a trigger? |
| 08:41.36 | teelo | er event |
| 08:41.49 | Sumo- | yeah |
| 08:41.52 | Sumo- | abiity? |
| 08:41.59 | Sumo- | ability is complete |
| 08:42.01 | teelo | morph to overseer |
| 08:42.07 | Sumo- | morph...ability? |
| 08:42.31 | Sumo- | pretty sure its ability complete |
| 08:43.09 | teelo | hmm |
| 08:43.43 | teelo | Unit - Any Unit uses Ability at Morph14 - Abilities End stage (Ignore shared abilities) ? |
| 08:45.06 | Sumo- | yeah |
| 08:45.24 | teelo | morph to overseer is not on the list under [Ability] :/ |
| 08:45.35 | Sumo- | is it an ability |
| 08:45.56 | teelo | should be |
| 08:47.03 | teelo | yeah. Zerg\Morph\Overlord Morph to Overseer |
| 08:48.09 | teelo | Cancel - morph to overseer is on the list |
| 08:48.11 | teelo | eh |
| 08:48.16 | Sumo- | :/ |
| 08:54.14 | teelo | nope that didnt work |
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| 09:00.53 | Sixen | no worries sumo- |
| 09:01.25 | Sumo- | :P |
| 09:02.14 | teelo | dammit sixen whereve you been |
| 09:02.29 | Sumo- | man i get this post-birth depression on my projects |
| 09:02.35 | Sumo- | whenver i finish em i get depressed lol |
| 09:03.23 | Sixen | lol teelo.. |
| 09:21.34 | Thial | Sixen: can you help me? i cant register to sc2mapster.com |
| 09:22.23 | Thial | i tried different usernames, emailaddresses and browsers, but i allways get the error message "Bad Request" |
| 09:22.38 | Thial | i'm trying to register since november :( |
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| 09:34.16 | Stragus | Thial, the name could somehow already be in use |
| 09:36.16 | Thial | i tried several names and always get "bad request". if i try a name which is used i get "Username already in use." |
| 09:37.40 | Helral|Work | did you try different web browsers? |
| 09:37.50 | Stragus | He just said he did |
| 09:37.56 | Helral|Work | ow yeah |
| 09:37.58 | Helral|Work | missed that ;p |
| 09:38.03 | Helral|Work | did read the first 2 ;p |
| 09:38.15 | Thial | tried IE8, FF3.6 and chrome9 |
| 09:38.32 | Helral|Work | hmmm |
| 09:38.34 | Thial | one of them should work at least ^^ |
| 09:38.39 | Stragus | I have no idea really. I had to change username once and it worked |
| 09:38.43 | Helral|Work | I would think so. |
| 09:39.05 | Stragus | Perhaps it was something like password being too short? Pick >= 8 characters |
| 09:40.44 | Thial | tried passwords with a different length and stregth, too |
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| 10:11.19 | Cintiq | Thial, |
| 10:11.25 | Cintiq | bad request just means username has been taken |
| 10:11.33 | Cintiq | it's because the curse network is retarded |
| 10:11.44 | Cintiq | and they have the wrong error set |
| 10:11.48 | Thial | and what does "Username already in use." mean? |
| 10:11.55 | Cintiq | username already in use. |
| 10:12.02 | Cintiq | i think that is site specific |
| 10:12.08 | Cintiq | but bad request means someone on curse network already has it |
| 10:12.25 | Cintiq | just try signing up with an obscure username and you'll see what i mean |
| 10:36.16 | Thial | Cintiq: I tried obscured usernames and get the same error :( |
| 10:36.53 | Cintiq | :L |
| 10:37.29 | Thial | "Thial1231311" should definitely not beeing in use |
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| 13:07.35 | XenoX101 | hello all |
| 13:14.11 | XenoX101 | we're all dead I see? |
| 13:15.30 | Helral|Work | yup |
| 13:15.34 | Helral|Work | meows |
| 13:18.41 | XenoX101 | heh |
| 13:27.59 | XenoX101 | whats happening helral |
| 13:28.37 | Helral|Work | work :S |
| 13:28.47 | XenoX101 | that makes sense Xd |
| 13:36.20 | XenoX101 | hey I have a question re: footprints |
| 13:36.34 | XenoX101 | if I add a footprint to a building and a unit is standing in the way |
| 13:36.43 | XenoX101 | will he get pushed out of the way, or is there a way to make that happen? |
| 13:36.52 | XenoX101 | sorry, if I add a footprint MID-game |
| 13:37.02 | Helral|Work | no idea |
| 13:37.04 | XenoX101 | so there is no footprint, then suddenly there is one and he is on top of it |
| 13:37.07 | XenoX101 | k |
| 13:37.11 | XenoX101 | I'd like it to be like the forcefield |
| 13:37.29 | XenoX101 | cause I have these pillars that come up from the ground |
| 13:37.37 | XenoX101 | and obviously shouldn't have units on them ;p |
| 13:55.24 | Helral|Work | you can also use a force effect ;p |
| 13:55.38 | XenoX101 | true |
| 13:55.53 | XenoX101 | hm |
| 13:55.55 | XenoX101 | now this is gonna be tough |
| 13:56.19 | XenoX101 | making a beam constantly target a unit while a behaviour is on |
| 13:56.23 | XenoX101 | like heal :( |
| 13:56.27 | XenoX101 | I havent even got my heal working yet |
| 13:57.09 | Helral|Work | just steal what they did at the void rays ;p |
| 13:57.22 | Helral|Work | only then use a heal effect instead of dmg, or whatever ;p |
| 13:57.43 | Helral|Work | or ofcourse the heal of the medivacs |
| 13:57.49 | Helral|Work | which is also a beam-like thing |
| 13:57.55 | XenoX101 | the heals are bastardly made |
| 13:57.55 | Helral|Work | constantly targeting an unit. |
| 13:58.32 | XenoX101 | and one look at the void ray events and I'm already crying |
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| 13:59.10 | XenoX101 | why do they have to make things so complicated :( |
| 13:59.38 | Helral|Work | because making them easy was too easy ;p |
| 14:03.51 | Xaragoth | so... |
| 14:03.51 | Xaragoth | the FBI vs Anonymous |
| 14:03.52 | Xaragoth | 1:0 for Anonymous |
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| 14:45.38 | Dogmai | helral |
| 14:45.42 | Dogmai | you in big trouble |
| 14:45.45 | Helral|Work | meow? |
| 14:46.04 | Helral|Work | why? |
| 14:46.26 | Dogmai | cause i needed you today |
| 14:46.30 | Dogmai | and you where nea rme |
| 14:46.32 | Dogmai | :'( |
| 14:46.36 | Helral|Work | hmmm? |
| 14:46.40 | Hati | my cpu or motherboard broke :( |
| 14:46.50 | JMan^|Wok | yuk |
| 14:46.56 | JMan^|Wok | i hate when that happens |
| 14:47.00 | JMan^|Wok | its so hard to tell which |
| 14:48.04 | Hati | yup blackscreen of doom and just fan sound >.< |
| 14:48.18 | Helral|Work | uhm... |
| 14:48.19 | JMan^|Wok | ick |
| 14:48.31 | Helral|Work | try disconnecting a cd/dvd player from the power supply |
| 14:48.53 | Hati | its just graphic card, 1 ram stick & cpu+mobo |
| 14:49.09 | Helral|Work | no HD? |
| 14:49.09 | Hati | no bios sound = something is wrong before POST :x |
| 14:49.30 | Helral|Work | well it can be that the power supply is failing as well. (supplies not enough power for boot) |
| 14:49.55 | Helral|Work | I've had that once. black screen, no sounds, fans do run. |
| 14:49.56 | Hati | tested another one - worked fine with lower graphic card |
| 14:49.58 | JMan^|Wok | is the cpu fan running? |
| 14:50.02 | Hati | yup |
| 14:50.24 | JMan^|Wok | my guess would be processor |
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| 14:50.41 | JMan^|Wok | does you mobo have an led? |
| 14:50.45 | Hati | yeah my guess to as it was at 95°C yesterday :O |
| 14:51.03 | Helral|Work | what brand cpu? |
| 14:51.04 | slightlyrandom | Excellent, then you save money on heating |
| 14:51.17 | Dogmai | helral, how do you show the hotkey text on the ability? |
| 14:51.26 | Helral|Work | Dogmai: ingame player setting |
| 14:51.40 | Dogmai | Ah so it canno be done manually? |
| 14:51.50 | Helral|Work | uhm... |
| 14:52.06 | Dogmai | Like if I want to "force" it to show |
| 14:52.12 | Helral|Work | you could create a label I guess and manually place it on top of the buttons. ;p |
| 14:52.23 | Dogmai | Because the only person with better knowledge of UI than myself is you |
| 14:52.27 | Helral|Work | I don't think you can force it. |
| 14:52.34 | Dogmai | You're the yin to my yang baby |
| 14:52.35 | Helral|Work | haven't seen that option at least. |
| 14:52.38 | Helral|Work | runs |
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| 14:52.52 | Dogmai | Yeah, I already thought of adding a label |
| 14:52.57 | Dogmai | That can easily be done |
| 14:53.03 | Dogmai | How about, showing cooldown text |
| 14:53.21 | Helral|Work | no idea ;p |
| 14:53.24 | Dogmai | Having a number overlaying the ability with the cooldown number |
| 14:53.34 | Dogmai | I swear to god I saw someone do it |
| 14:53.44 | Helral|Work | I know it can be done, don't know how ;p |
| 14:53.47 | Hati | but well we will see what it is by tomorrow :o there i get some spare parts so i can test |
| 14:53.47 | JMan^|Wok | btw dog: that's dialog trick for the fade in/out worked great |
| 14:53.49 | Dogmai | And I wasn't sure if it was a sc2layout setting or if it was done with label overlays |
| 14:53.50 | Helral|Work | could also be a player setting ;p |
| 14:53.56 | Dogmai | your welcome jman |
| 14:53.58 | Dogmai | :P |
| 14:54.00 | Dogmai | bah! |
| 14:54.05 | Dogmai | fken player settings |
| 14:54.52 | Dogmai | Cause I want to try and get as much load off the game loop as possible |
| 14:55.18 | Dogmai | oh Jman, you need better UI |
| 14:55.36 | JMan^|Wok | how so? |
| 14:55.42 | Shawn|Rawr | Shouldn't he have a functional game first? |
| 14:55.44 | Shawn|Rawr | :P |
| 14:56.25 | JMan^|Wok | what's wrong with my UI? |
| 14:56.45 | Dogmai | its ugly |
| 14:56.52 | Dogmai | thats what I was gonna say to you |
| 14:56.55 | Dogmai | about working with you |
| 14:57.04 | Dogmai | ill do the UI for you, as long as its in a few months time |
| 14:57.13 | JMan^|Wok | what? ugly? |
| 14:57.17 | Dogmai | yes |
| 14:57.24 | Dogmai | you havnt seen good UI till you see my UIs |
| 14:57.40 | Dogmai | but sadly I cannot show you any for another couple of weeks when the map gets released |
| 14:57.41 | JMan^|Wok | i'm afraid i have to disagree with you |
| 14:57.49 | Dogmai | dialog boxes = bad |
| 14:58.13 | JMan^|Wok | how so? |
| 14:58.45 | Dogmai | they are ugly |
| 14:58.52 | JMan^|Wok | i'm a big fan of my dialogs. i think they look really good and they took a long time |
| 14:58.55 | Dogmai | you can do some amazing things with dialogs, but not the standard borders and buttons |
| 14:59.04 | Dogmai | all my work is done with dialogs |
| 14:59.28 | JMan^|Wok | sure i can use custom images for everything, but i don't think its worth the effort |
| 14:59.37 | JMan^|Wok | i like that standard UI |
| 14:59.52 | Dogmai | ... |
| 14:59.56 | Dogmai | O_O\ |
| 15:00.03 | Dogmai | helral, pass me my rubber chicken! |
| 15:00.10 | Shawn|Rawr | What does a pretty UI look like dogmai? |
| 15:00.19 | Dogmai | ugh like mine ... |
| 15:00.22 | Helral|Work | Shawn|Rawr: I know, I know. |
| 15:00.23 | Shawn|Rawr | I want picture/video |
| 15:00.31 | JMan^|Wok | i've received a number of complements |
| 15:00.33 | Dogmai | www.dogmai.org/phant3m |
| 15:00.34 | Helral|Work | a pretty UI looks like a pretty UI :) |
| 15:00.43 | Dogmai | it sucks though, i hate it |
| 15:00.48 | Dogmai | the new one is so much cleaner and sharper |
| 15:00.50 | Dogmai | but im not showing it |
| 15:00.52 | Dogmai | at the moment |
| 15:01.00 | Dogmai | cause phantom mode would want to copies it againzor |
| 15:01.22 | JMan^|Wok | yeah i think that's a bit much for my game |
| 15:01.51 | Shawn|Rawr | I don't see the amazing difference |
| 15:01.55 | Dogmai | this is what i did for the map contest |
| 15:01.56 | Dogmai | back in october |
| 15:01.58 | Dogmai | http://www.dogmai.org/mapcontest.jpg |
| 15:02.07 | Dogmai | before we had layout files -_- |
| 15:02.15 | Dogmai | i hate this, it sucks now |
| 15:02.20 | Dogmai | compared to the new one |
| 15:02.28 | Dogmai | but it was fully functional |
| 15:02.30 | Dogmai | cooldowns etc |
| 15:03.00 | Shawn|Rawr | Ya, but JMan doesn't have all of that info in his dialogs.. he has barely any at all |
| 15:03.09 | JMan^|Wok | yeah, i'm with shawn. even if i were to consider more visually appealing dialogs, it would have to come after the engine is complete or nearly so |
| 15:03.30 | JMan^|Wok | even then, i think they serve their function well and look pretty good |
| 15:03.47 | JMan^|Wok | i'd consider tweaks, but not an overhaul |
| 15:05.14 | Dogmai | well thats it |
| 15:05.27 | Dogmai | you could expand upon the idea so much |
| 15:05.33 | Dogmai | make it unique |
| 15:06.21 | JMan^|Wok | that would be a poor use of my time right now |
| 15:06.30 | JMan^|Wok | and in a few months, i hope to be at least in beta |
| 15:07.00 | Dogmai | yea |
| 15:07.05 | Dogmai | the UI should come last |
| 15:07.11 | Dogmai | as its just an interface to the engine |
| 15:07.17 | JMan^|Wok | yeah |
| 15:07.24 | JMan^|Wok | there will be *lot* of dialogs too |
| 15:07.27 | Dogmai | I would be freer in a few months |
| 15:07.28 | JMan^|Wok | a ton |
| 15:07.37 | Dogmai | Thats why i said I would be willing to give a hand |
| 15:08.04 | JMan^|Wok | maybe we can consider some tweaks and such at that time |
| 15:08.24 | JMan^|Wok | at the very least, i'd be willing to listen to ideas |
| 15:08.32 | Dogmai | yea |
| 15:08.39 | Dogmai | how are you doing the engine btw |
| 15:08.47 | Dogmai | are you using actual hps of the monsters |
| 15:08.50 | Dogmai | or are you storing that all in variables |
| 15:08.54 | JMan^|Wok | mass triggers |
| 15:08.54 | Dogmai | and just playing animations |
| 15:08.56 | JMan^|Wok | hps? |
| 15:09.02 | Dogmai | hitpoints |
| 15:09.10 | JMan^|Wok | triggers |
| 15:09.13 | Dogmai | yea |
| 15:09.15 | Dogmai | smart boy |
| 15:09.17 | JMan^|Wok | the units don't exist until you see them |
| 15:09.21 | Dogmai | thats how I would have done it |
| 15:09.22 | Dogmai | yea |
| 15:09.28 | JMan^|Wok | damage itself can not be done using data |
| 15:09.32 | JMan^|Wok | its too complex |
| 15:10.29 | JMan^|Wok | my building mechanics have turned out really cool |
| 15:10.31 | Dogmai | yeah |
| 15:10.53 | Dogmai | I was kinda hoping to see some really amazing towns and true 3d camera |
| 15:10.54 | JMan^|Wok | i only need to use about the top 30 squares for buildings for the whole map |
| 15:11.08 | Dogmai | but it looks more loyal to the actual pokemon game |
| 15:11.23 | JMan^|Wok | i'm going to diverge after a point |
| 15:11.28 | JMan^|Wok | i want to set the mood |
| 15:11.35 | JMan^|Wok | then i will shift a little more sc2-themed |
| 15:11.43 | JMan^|Wok | like i want an area that's covered in creep |
| 15:12.43 | JMan^|Wok | but all the buildings are stored in triggers and generated dynammically |
| 15:12.48 | JMan^|Wok | its very cool |
| 15:13.23 | Helral|Work | you can easily use a unit to cover an area in creep. |
| 15:13.53 | JMan^|Wok | oh yeah, covering the area in creep is easy |
| 15:14.11 | JMan^|Wok | i made a giant mutalisk once that spread creep as fast as it flew |
| 15:14.18 | Helral|Work | :) |
| 15:14.36 | JMan^|Wok | its more of a thematic theme |
| 15:14.42 | JMan^|Wok | pokemon doesn't have creep |
| 15:15.04 | JMan^|Wok | but a creep area seems like it could be fun |
| 15:15.14 | JMan^|Wok | obv random encounters would happen on creep |
| 15:18.23 | JMan^|Wok | did i really just say "thematic theme" |
| 15:18.28 | JMan^|Wok | i meant thing |
| 15:19.39 | Dogmai | yeah |
| 15:19.49 | Dogmai | that sounds cool |
| 15:20.24 | JMan^|Wok | basically after the second city i'm going to build my own plot |
| 15:20.32 | JMan^|Wok | not gonna just copy the game |
| 15:20.48 | JMan^|Wok | but i wanted to set the mood |
| 15:21.15 | Dogmai | yeah |
| 15:21.17 | Dogmai | understandable |
| 15:21.52 | JMan^|Wok | it wouldn't be as much to play the same game anyways |
| 15:22.11 | Dogmai | of course |
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| 15:34.57 | JMan^|Wok | this bronze game is cracking me up |
| 15:35.32 | JMan^|Wok | proxy engineering bay :P |
| 15:36.31 | JMan^|Wok | this is painful |
| 15:36.39 | JMan^|Wok | to watch a single queen trying to kill a barracks |
| 15:42.45 | JMan^|Wok | at least this terran stuck in one base doesn't have to worry about mining it out with his 10 scvs |
| 15:43.12 | JMan^|Wok | omg he let a plantary fortress die from flames |
| 15:44.03 | Xaragoth | so, I go away |
| 15:44.04 | Xaragoth | I come back |
| 15:44.09 | Xaragoth | and JMan spammed my screen |
| 15:44.17 | Xaragoth | WHAT IS YOUR EXCUSE?! |
| 15:44.22 | JMan^|Wok | you only have 6 lines one your screen? |
| 15:44.59 | JMan^|Wok | but my excuse is that it's a chat channel... and i'm gonna talk it in dammit! *gasp* |
| 15:45.19 | JMan^|Wok | i was watching the day 9 from last night |
| 15:45.25 | JMan^|Wok | and that bronze game was just... |
| 15:45.28 | JMan^|Wok | ... special. |
| 15:45.47 | JMan^|Wok | who lets a PF die from flames? |
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| 16:18.11 | Icebane | Heya dudes! |
| 16:18.46 | Icebane | Anyone here knows how to convert "triggering ability" into a string? |
| 16:19.32 | JMan^|Wok | convert game link to string |
| 16:20.10 | Icebane | Yeah I know, but I didn't find it how to get the "triggering ability" but I just figured xD Thanks anyway! |
| 16:20.26 | Icebane | Its always like this, I loggonto here ans ask my question, half a min later I've solved it myself |
| 16:20.33 | JMan^|Wok | yeah, you have to switch the game link typew |
| 16:21.58 | JMan^|Wok | don't forget, not just the type, but the typew |
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| 16:26.48 | Obatztrara | sup :) |
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| 16:34.55 | Icebane | Yeah Thats what I figured JMan :) |
| 16:35.04 | Xaragoth | Sixen |
| 16:35.07 | Xaragoth | ye awake yet? |
| 16:37.25 | Icebane | Anyway, do you know if you can like get/return ID of a "triggering Ability"? |
| 16:38.06 | JMan^|Wok | what do you mean? |
| 16:38.56 | Icebane | Lets say "Stimpack" is the triggering ability |
| 16:39.07 | Icebane | and its ID is "STIMPACK9000" |
| 16:39.16 | Stragus | Convert game link to string gives you the ID, no? |
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| 16:39.28 | Icebane | Doesnt it give the actual name? |
| 16:39.34 | Icebane | or does that depend on scope? |
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| 16:41.03 | JMan^|Wok | you might have to get the actual name from the catalog |
| 16:41.31 | Icebane | hmm.. |
| 16:41.59 | JMan^|Wok | let me look real quick |
| 16:42.42 | Icebane | If you do Convert Game Link To String, Value: Ability Command of Ability: Triggeirng Ability |
| 16:42.58 | Icebane | do you get the Name of the "triggering ability" or do you get the ID of the "triggering ability"? |
| 16:43.05 | JMan^|Wok | ID |
| 16:43.13 | JMan^|Wok | you will get "STIMPACK9000" |
| 16:43.26 | JMan^|Wok | you could then do a catalog field value get tho |
| 16:43.32 | JMan^|Wok | and get the name in a single line |
| 16:43.59 | Icebane | THANKS <3 |
| 16:44.10 | JMan^|Wok | catalog field value get ( Abilities, varAbilityId, "Name", All Players) |
| 16:44.10 | Icebane | ty |
| 16:44.13 | Icebane | That solved quite a huge bit of ma problemz :) |
| 16:44.16 | JMan^|Wok | something like that |
| 16:44.46 | Xaragoth | fuck it |
| 16:45.00 | JMan^|Wok | just point me in the direction |
| 16:45.03 | Xaragoth | i'm out playing rift for a few days, afterwards i'm ill |
| 16:45.09 | Xaragoth | and people start popularity QQ on the forums again |
| 16:45.21 | JMan^|Wok | rodrigo? |
| 16:45.24 | Xaragoth | no |
| 16:45.25 | Xaragoth | someone else |
| 16:45.29 | Xaragoth | same story though |
| 16:45.30 | JMan^|Wok | really? |
| 16:45.35 | Helral|HomePC | meows |
| 16:45.37 | Xaragoth | I'm going to smite the morons. |
| 16:45.46 | JMan^|Wok | popularity does suck |
| 16:45.56 | JMan^|Wok | they do QQ a lot tho |
| 16:46.01 | Xaragoth | next person to start popularity shit on our forums instead of annoying the blues over at the blizz forums gets all his posts down the drain. |
| 16:46.10 | Xaragoth | ALL OF THEM. |
| 16:46.29 | JMan^|Wok | yeah, it doesn't make sense to post on sc2mapster |
| 16:46.34 | JMan^|Wok | preaching to the choir |
| 16:46.54 | Xaragoth | also |
| 16:46.56 | Xaragoth | another gif avatar |
| 16:47.10 | Helral|HomePC | Xaragoth: there are several |
| 16:47.12 | Xaragoth | I swear to god, I'm going to punch someone. |
| 16:47.14 | JMan^|Wok | animated? |
| 16:47.19 | Xaragoth | yes |
| 16:47.23 | Xaragoth | and blinky as hell |
| 16:47.28 | Xaragoth | epileptic strokes inc |
| 16:47.59 | Helral|HomePC | ow the one I saw has just a running mario |
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| 16:49.02 | JMan^|Wok | running mario i can dig |
| 16:49.21 | JMan^|Wok | i still have the tie-died horse :P |
| 16:50.50 | JMan^|Wok | that is a gawd awful ugly horse |
| 16:52.04 | Helral|HomePC | ow here's another one that has an annoying. it slowly comes visible, and the suddenly dissappears to start all over again :S |
| 16:52.07 | Helral|HomePC | if it had a fade out orso it wouldn't be so annoying ;p |
| 16:52.21 | JMan^|Wok | i hate all the "girls i wish i could get" pics |
| 16:52.35 | Helral|HomePC | lol |
| 16:52.45 | Helral|HomePC | so you hate my avatar? |
| 16:52.46 | JMan^|Wok | you are not a super-hot emo chick. stopping making them your avatar |
| 16:53.06 | JMan^|Wok | anime is different |
| 16:53.17 | Helral|HomePC | hehehe |
| 16:53.19 | Helral|HomePC | :) |
| 16:53.27 | Helral|HomePC | I wish I could get Madlax ;p |
| 16:53.44 | Helral|HomePC | too bad it ain't gonna come true ;p |
| 16:54.31 | JMan^|Wok | and onetwo's avatar |
| 16:54.38 | JMan^|Wok | he has no shot with that smiley face |
| 16:54.42 | JMan^|Wok | whatsoever |
| 16:54.49 | Helral|HomePC | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:55.02 | Xaragoth | gnarr |
| 16:55.06 | Xaragoth | another "how to make caves" |
| 16:55.07 | JMan^|Wok | keep dreaming buddy :P |
| 16:55.07 | Icebane | Sorry for bothering you JMan but you don't happen to know if you get like Get "button of ability"? |
| 16:55.10 | Xaragoth | I SHALL STAB THEM |
| 16:55.15 | Icebane | Or if anyone else knows? |
| 16:55.26 | Helral|HomePC | it's called Face in the catalog system |
| 16:55.41 | Icebane | But how to refer to it? Via field get? |
| 16:55.51 | Helral|HomePC | Catalog Field Value Get. |
| 16:55.55 | Icebane | (Yes I'm new to the catalog ^^ ) |
| 16:56.02 | Helral|HomePC | but it is just a reference to a button data type. |
| 16:56.12 | JMan^|Wok | its not that easy helral |
| 16:56.15 | JMan^|Wok | its in an array |
| 16:56.27 | JMan^|Wok | CmdButtonArray |
| 16:56.39 | Icebane | Cause what I need is for example "The Toolclip of the Button for Stimpack" |
| 16:57.19 | Xaragoth | fixed that vote on the pop-system ~~ |
| 16:57.24 | Helral|HomePC | ahhh |
| 16:57.36 | Xaragoth | it now also has "I don't give a shit about the popularity system, because it's broken anyways." |
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| 16:58.18 | Icebane | *going to vote for the new option* |
| 16:58.30 | Helral|HomePC | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:58.40 | Helral|HomePC | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:58.41 | Stragus | IceBane, probably CmdButtonArray.DefaultButtonFace[0] |
| 16:58.48 | Helral|HomePC | something like that ;p |
| 16:58.58 | Helral|HomePC | owyeah what stragus says. |
| 16:59.08 | Helral|HomePC | that would be the path for the first bit. |
| 16:59.22 | Icebane | And then I get the array for "Toolclip"? |
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| 16:59.41 | Helral|HomePC | ow wait he's off. |
| 17:00.04 | Helral|HomePC | It's CmdButtonArray[index].DefaultButtonFace |
| 17:00.14 | Icebane | Your solution seemed more logic to me tho Helral ^^ |
| 17:00.15 | Helral|HomePC | index is often 0 |
| 17:00.16 | JMan^|Wok | but you'd probably have to iterate the command array to find the execute command |
| 17:00.19 | JMan^|Wok | i think he's right |
| 17:00.29 | JMan^|Wok | logical is irrelevant |
| 17:00.34 | JMan^|Wok | helrals solution won't work |
| 17:00.40 | Helral|HomePC | Variable - Set Temp = (Value of Abilities (Ability_Variable) "CmdButtonArray[index].DefaultButtonFace" for player Player) |
| 17:00.49 | Helral|HomePC | so basicly something like that to get the button. |
| 17:00.58 | Helral|HomePC | and the other line I said earlier to get the ToolTip |
| 17:01.14 | JMan^|Wok | yeah, i'm trying to check which field it is to check for "execute" |
| 17:01.26 | Icebane | Oh now I get it! :) I think... |
| 17:01.31 | JMan^|Wok | catalog arrays suck |
| 17:01.37 | JMan^|Wok | they are complicated |
| 17:01.55 | Stragus | I think there would only be one command for stimpack, "execute" |
| 17:02.01 | Stragus | There wouldn't be an on/ff |
| 17:02.15 | Stragus | So [0] should be very safe |
| 17:02.41 | JMan^|Wok | for that one ability |
| 17:03.28 | Icebane | Yeah well the goal is to have a dynamic code |
| 17:04.07 | Icebane | should the variable "Temp" have the data-type "Game Link"? |
| 17:04.20 | Helral|HomePC | string |
| 17:04.24 | Helral|HomePC | I think |
| 17:04.35 | Helral|HomePC | yeah string |
| 17:04.38 | Icebane | yeh, figured it would be |
| 17:04.40 | Icebane | :) |
| 17:04.50 | Helral|HomePC | I copied that from my Easy Catalog Item library |
| 17:05.05 | Helral|HomePC | Guess I'll expand it sometime to include abilities. |
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| 17:08.42 | JMan^|Wok | yeah, there's so much to catalogs |
| 17:08.46 | Helral|HomePC | Icebane: http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/triggers/17654-converting-triggering-ability-command-to-string/?post=10 |
| 17:08.47 | Helral|HomePC | :P |
| 17:09.08 | Icebane | <3 |
| 17:09.42 | JMan^|Wok | you just custom script cast instead of convert game link to string? |
| 17:09.50 | Helral|HomePC | :P |
| 17:09.52 | Helral|HomePC | yeah |
| 17:10.00 | Helral|HomePC | since it's already what it needs to be. |
| 17:10.03 | JMan^|Wok | i guess that works |
| 17:10.14 | Helral|HomePC | I don't like additional code when not needed. |
| 17:10.24 | JMan^|Wok | i'm with you |
| 17:10.29 | JMan^|Wok | i've done that for images before |
| 17:10.38 | JMan^|Wok | but there aren't other options |
| 17:11.28 | Icebane | so whats "lp_ability"? |
| 17:11.35 | JMan^|Wok | heh |
| 17:11.47 | JMan^|Wok | that's the same think as Convert Game Link to Stirng (ability) |
| 17:11.49 | Helral|HomePC | you can also include the library I added. |
| 17:11.56 | JMan^|Wok | but he uses custom script to explicitly cast it |
| 17:12.03 | Helral|HomePC | it contains the function. |
| 17:12.25 | JMan^|Wok | you'd just go over to the custom script option and type lp_ability |
| 17:12.32 | JMan^|Wok | lp_ is the prefix for local parameter |
| 17:12.38 | Icebane | Alright so you use that function and throw in "Ability Variable" with it |
| 17:12.49 | Icebane | or? ^^ |
| 17:12.51 | Icebane | oh I see |
| 17:13.30 | Helral|HomePC | :) |
| 17:13.57 | Icebane | This is all kinda confusing to me, I've known for long of what the catalog is but its not until now that I've got use for it |
| 17:14.30 | Helral|HomePC | :) |
| 17:14.52 | JMan^|Wok | its complicated |
| 17:14.53 | Helral|HomePC | ask questions while I'm here ;p |
| 17:14.57 | Icebane | But lp_ability, you wrote I have to include that myself in custom script? |
| 17:15.00 | JMan^|Wok | i recommend doing it step-by-step |
| 17:15.28 | Helral|HomePC | if you're creating that function yourself, yes. |
| 17:15.28 | JMan^|Wok | icebane: instead of a variable |
| 17:15.32 | JMan^|Wok | choose the custom script option |
| 17:15.43 | Helral|HomePC | when you set the value of that position, go to the custom script option. |
| 17:15.44 | Icebane | Cause as I've understood your way with that lp_ability is quite the same thing, its jsut that the first way is not as efficient? |
| 17:15.46 | JMan^|Wok | and type 'lp_ability" in there |
| 17:15.54 | Helral|HomePC | not function, parameter, value ;p |
| 17:16.00 | Helral|HomePC | but the other one :) |
| 17:16.01 | JMan^|Wok | it requires more clicking in the GUI |
| 17:16.06 | Helral|HomePC | hehehe |
| 17:16.08 | JMan^|Wok | otherwise, its basically the same thing |
| 17:16.10 | JMan^|Wok | either way is fine |
| 17:16.28 | JMan^|Wok | whatever you are comfortable with |
| 17:16.38 | JMan^|Wok | there's nothing wrong with using Convert Game Link to String |
| 17:17.04 | Icebane | The question is, will I keep developing if I chose the easy way? ^^ |
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| 17:17.16 | Helral|HomePC | lol |
| 17:17.21 | Helral|HomePC | the easy way is importing my library ;p |
| 17:17.23 | Icebane | Cause in one way I wanna get as close as possible to hardcoding with GUI, if you get what I mean? xD |
| 17:17.38 | Stragus | I think "Convert game link to string" actually does nothing. A game link is a string |
| 17:17.40 | JMan^|Wok | programmers are supposed to take the easy way at every possible turn |
| 17:17.44 | Icebane | like that way using the lp_ability |
| 17:17.55 | JMan^|Wok | programmers are lazy by defintion and requirement |
| 17:18.06 | Helral|HomePC | is lazy. |
| 17:18.10 | Icebane | yes but code should not be longer than necessary |
| 17:18.12 | Helral|HomePC | is a programmer |
| 17:18.15 | Helral|HomePC | agrees |
| 17:18.24 | JMan^|Wok | which is why helral does it that way |
| 17:18.28 | JMan^|Wok | but it doesn't matter, really |
| 17:18.33 | Helral|HomePC | today I've made a -25 lines of code. |
| 17:18.39 | JMan^|Wok | if you're comfortable with the other way, use that |
| 17:19.13 | Icebane | That would be initially 200x10 lines of code when my map loads ^^ |
| 17:19.32 | JMan^|Wok | what? |
| 17:19.32 | Icebane | since I use the code dynamically in a loop |
| 17:20.06 | JMan^|Wok | i think you're missing the point |
| 17:20.14 | JMan^|Wok | code length doesn't matter so much |
| 17:20.24 | JMan^|Wok | even performance doesn't matter that much |
| 17:20.27 | JMan^|Wok | your preference is really all that matters |
| 17:20.45 | JMan^|Wok | because you're the one that's going to have to maintain it |
| 17:20.58 | JMan^|Wok | and that is where programmers spend 75% of their time |
| 17:21.02 | JMan^|Wok | maintaining old stuff |
| 17:21.04 | Helral|HomePC | the -25 lines of code I did was a performance boost of 2500% in that piece of code without losing functionality ;p |
| 17:21.10 | Icebane | But you know I passed this uni-course recently |
| 17:21.12 | Helral|HomePC | quite funny |
| 17:21.46 | Helral|HomePC | uni-course... |
| 17:21.47 | Icebane | and one of the basic mistakes that programmers did, according to the doctorine we learned. Is that they take the for the moment, easiest way. |
| 17:21.50 | Helral|HomePC | is that like a uni-corn? |
| 17:21.58 | Icebane | university course xD |
| 17:22.06 | JMan^|Wok | there's a difference between a short cut and the easy way |
| 17:22.09 | Helral|HomePC | hmmmm |
| 17:22.20 | JMan^|Wok | the easy way meets all requirements while being the easiest to implement |
| 17:22.27 | JMan^|Wok | it still requires the full amount of planning |
| 17:22.30 | Helral|HomePC | that's a uni-versity... so not di-versity.... |
| 17:22.44 | Icebane | facepalm. |
| 17:22.46 | Helral|HomePC | uni-versity sounds boring. |
| 17:22.56 | JMan^|Wok | he might use different terminologu |
| 17:23.02 | Helral|HomePC | meows |
| 17:23.09 | JMan^|Wok | but really, programmers //want// to make things easy for themselves |
| 17:23.27 | JMan^|Wok | but short-cuts cause long-term pain |
| 17:23.29 | Helral|HomePC | only if it doesn't cost too much effort. |
| 17:24.01 | JMan^|Wok | doing something that does less than the requirement and saying "i'll come back to it later" is costly |
| 17:24.07 | Icebane | Cause I feel like maybe in the future with more complex problems |
| 17:24.21 | Icebane | I can reduce the complexity if I learn how to use custom script |
| 17:24.28 | Helral|HomePC | want to see complex stuff? ;p |
| 17:24.33 | JMan^|Wok | consider the difference between making a function and copy/pasting code |
| 17:24.44 | JMan^|Wok | copy/pasting code is easier in the short-term |
| 17:24.46 | Icebane | No thanks this code I'm working with is mindfuck enough xD |
| 17:24.50 | JMan^|Wok | the function is easier in the long term |
| 17:24.50 | Helral|HomePC | hehehe |
| 17:25.05 | Helral|HomePC | thinks it is also easier in the short term. |
| 17:25.16 | JMan^|Wok | functions require setup |
| 17:25.19 | JMan^|Wok | they do take more time |
| 17:25.21 | JMan^|Wok | and planning |
| 17:25.31 | Icebane | but damn worth it :) |
| 17:25.33 | JMan^|Wok | planning is that other 25% of a programmers time |
| 17:25.41 | Icebane | yeah thats what I learned too |
| 17:25.47 | JMan^|Wok | and there's a little bit of actual programming squeezed in there |
| 17:25.48 | Icebane | if not more as I remember it |
| 17:25.50 | Helral|HomePC | for me it is usually, ow I use this sequence 3 times. throws it into a function, replaces instances by calling the function. |
| 17:26.01 | JMan^|Wok | yeah, i'm jsut throwing out numbers |
| 17:26.04 | Icebane | implementating of software doesnt even take half the time of the design I heard |
| 17:26.07 | Icebane | right =) |
| 17:26.15 | Helral|HomePC | Icebane: true |
| 17:26.23 | JMan^|Wok | but a programmers primary responsilibities are: planning, debugging, maintaining |
| 17:26.28 | JMan^|Wok | programming is a distant 4th |
| 17:26.45 | Helral|HomePC | btw also fun stuff: when a programmer says how long somthing will take he always multiplies his expected duration by 2 or 3. |
| 17:26.52 | JMan^|Wok | so you want what's easiest to maintain |
| 17:27.06 | JMan^|Wok | 2 or 3? |
| 17:27.16 | JMan^|Wok | i usally bump by 20% for the unexpected |
| 17:27.31 | JMan^|Wok | but i schedule long periods for planning and testing |
| 17:27.35 | Helral|HomePC | yeah If I estimate something would take half a day to work out. I say it would take a day at least. |
| 17:27.40 | JMan^|Wok | my test phases are usually quite long |
| 17:27.52 | JMan^|Wok | oh, yeah, for a simple task |
| 17:27.57 | JMan^|Wok | i was thinking full-scale project |
| 17:28.14 | Helral|HomePC | neh fullscale you just make an educated guess |
| 17:28.25 | JMan^|Wok | yeah, it's really hard |
| 17:28.36 | JMan^|Wok | you come up with some large numbers and then bump then |
| 17:28.39 | JMan^|Wok | and pray |
| 17:28.41 | Icebane | time estimation really can be a pain in the ass xD |
| 17:28.52 | JMan^|Wok | because everything always comes down to the wire no matter how long you choose |
| 17:28.58 | Icebane | I tried to do a time estimation for the time needed for my abilities for the map |
| 17:29.02 | Icebane | its about 900h :< |
| 17:29.07 | Helral|HomePC | and reserve a period equal to 1/5th of it or maybe less in reserve. |
| 17:29.11 | Icebane | roughly |
| 17:29.32 | JMan^|Wok | yeah, that's my 20% for "things i haven't considered" |
| 17:29.38 | Helral|HomePC | :) |
| 17:29.43 | Icebane | xD |
| 17:29.43 | Helral|HomePC | it's my 20% for things that go wrong. |
| 17:29.46 | JMan^|Wok | i'll even put it on the estimate |
| 17:29.51 | Helral|HomePC | same here. |
| 17:29.57 | JMan^|Wok | +20% for unexpcted |
| 17:30.40 | JMan^|Wok | at any matter, ice, if you want to think long term, i'd consider building or using a library for catalog retreival |
| 17:30.53 | JMan^|Wok | but the elements inside the function won't change much |
| 17:31.13 | JMan^|Wok | whether you use lp_ability or Convert Game Link to String is largely irrelevant |
| 17:31.19 | Icebane | by library you mean like functions? |
| 17:31.26 | JMan^|Wok | how you design the structure of your functions is very relevant |
| 17:31.31 | JMan^|Wok | yeah |
| 17:31.35 | Helral|HomePC | yeah library is a collection of trigger definitions. |
| 17:31.41 | JMan^|Wok | function: Catalog - Ability - Get Button |
| 17:31.42 | Helral|HomePC | action/function/event? |
| 17:31.47 | JMan^|Wok | something like that |
| 17:31.56 | JMan^|Wok | then you'd call: Catalog - Button - Get Tooltip |
| 17:32.00 | Icebane | oh yeah, after this uni-corn-course I learned about functions and how to use em efficiently |
| 17:32.01 | JMan^|Wok | and Catalog - Button - Get Image |
| 17:32.03 | Icebane | goddammit I love em =D |
| 17:32.19 | JMan^|Wok | that's how my catalog functions are organized at least |
| 17:32.24 | JMan^|Wok | and it works fairly well |
| 17:32.26 | Icebane | really reduces complexity |
| 17:32.59 | JMan^|Wok | and those function usually end up being 1-2 lines each |
| 17:33.12 | Icebane | I'm having problems with the "set TempButton - (Value of Abilities (Ability_Variable) "CmdButtonArray[index].DefaultButtonFace" for player Player)" |
| 17:33.15 | JMan^|Wok | and it's easier to deal with them logically |
| 17:33.50 | JMan^|Wok | are you using the custom script method? |
| 17:33.55 | Helral|HomePC | the [index] needs to be replaced with [0] orso |
| 17:34.14 | Icebane | nope, I figured I can learn custom script later instead ^^ |
| 17:34.24 | JMan^|Wok | or if you're using a variable, you need to do a combine string multiple |
| 17:34.29 | Helral|HomePC | CmdButtonArray[0].DefaultButtonFace <-- string value. |
| 17:34.30 | Icebane | atm it would just be another increase to my time estimate xD |
| 17:34.36 | JMan^|Wok | combine string multiple: "CmdButtonArray[ |
| 17:34.45 | Helral|HomePC | or what JMan^|Wok says ;p |
| 17:34.47 | Icebane | but how do I know what index number I should have? |
| 17:34.49 | JMan^|Wok | ", string(index), "].DefaultFaceButton" |
| 17:35.04 | JMan^|Wok | yeah, well that's another problem :P |
| 17:35.24 | Helral|HomePC | well you can also just type Execute as value for all the buttons that use Execute as index. |
| 17:35.43 | Helral|HomePC | index can be numeric or string. |
| 17:35.51 | Icebane | Set Variable Variable: button Value: Catalog Field Value Get Catalog: Buttons Entry: (No Value) Field Path: (No Value) Player: Triggering Player |
| 17:35.53 | Icebane | oops |
| 17:35.55 | JMan^|Wok | can it? |
| 17:35.58 | JMan^|Wok | really? |
| 17:36.00 | Icebane | but thats how far I got |
| 17:36.03 | JMan^|Wok | that's awesome |
| 17:36.14 | Icebane | what? I thought index was integers only |
| 17:36.18 | JMan^|Wok | it's try that |
| 17:36.21 | JMan^|Wok | it'd |
| 17:36.37 | Helral|HomePC | normally with arrays, yes. |
| 17:36.41 | JMan^|Wok | "CmdButtonArray[Execute].DefaultButtonFace" |
| 17:36.43 | Icebane | If you look on what I wrote there, I have problems with Entry and Field bath |
| 17:36.49 | Helral|HomePC | but the catalog system allows for text as well. |
| 17:37.01 | JMan^|Wok | as i'm looking at it, it looks like the index actually is a string |
| 17:37.03 | Helral|HomePC | Entry is a string value of the button. |
| 17:37.16 | Helral|HomePC | Field Path is the location where it should get it from. |
| 17:37.22 | Icebane | oh right |
| 17:37.43 | Icebane | so theres ""CmdButtonArray[Execute].DefaultButtonFace" & ""CmdButtonArray[Cancel].DefaultButtonFace" right? |
| 17:37.57 | JMan^|Wok | depends on the ability |
| 17:38.01 | Helral|HomePC | but I think what you want is Catalog Preset: Abilities. and then as Entry an ability id. |
| 17:38.01 | JMan^|Wok | but most will have those two |
| 17:38.03 | Icebane | oh yeah but as default |
| 17:38.10 | Icebane | standard* |
| 17:38.42 | JMan^|Wok | yeah, pretty much any custom ability you build will have those two |
| 17:38.51 | JMan^|Wok | and a lot of the normal game abilities |
| 17:38.57 | Helral|HomePC | ah well I'm off |
| 17:39.05 | Helral|HomePC | cya guys and goodluck Icebane |
| 17:39.15 | JMan^|Wok | somehow i've actually managed to get work down through this convo |
| 17:39.15 | Icebane | cya mate :) ty for the help |
| 17:39.19 | JMan^|Wok | later hel |
| 17:39.57 | Icebane | Oh really? Thats impressive, I've been stuck staring at the code trying to figure stuff that seems so simple to you xD |
| 17:40.15 | JMan^|Wok | it helps that i'm like "oh yeah, i'll get that done for you sometime today" when it really takes an hour or two max |
| 17:40.30 | JMan^|Wok | simple is a matter of experience |
| 17:40.33 | JMan^|Wok | it's not simple |
| 17:40.34 | JMan^|Wok | at all |
| 17:40.35 | JMan^|Wok | it sucks |
| 17:40.39 | JMan^|Wok | but i've done it a lot |
| 17:40.40 | Icebane | true dat ^^ |
| 17:40.54 | JMan^|Wok | i wish the catalog was object-oriented |
| 17:41.08 | JMan^|Wok | and we could retreive values from objects |
| 17:41.09 | JMan^|Wok | rather than this mess |
| 17:41.13 | JMan^|Wok | but it's what we got |
| 17:41.16 | Icebane | with classes and stuff? |
| 17:41.36 | JMan^|Wok | yeah, where you could dig through the catalog in one function call |
| 17:41.55 | Icebane | and the heritage concept? |
| 17:41.55 | Icebane | yeah |
| 17:41.57 | JMan^|Wok | Ability[Triggering Ability]->Default Button[Execute]->Tooltip |
| 17:42.05 | Icebane | instead of converting data bak and forth like that |
| 17:42.06 | JMan^|Wok | something like that |
| 17:42.11 | Icebane | yeah thats what I wanted but I couldnt find it |
| 17:42.20 | JMan^|Wok | would be magnificent |
| 17:42.41 | Icebane | God I can't figured what to put into "entry" :< |
| 17:42.42 | JMan^|Wok | but if you deal with it one element at a time, with functions, it gets a little easier |
| 17:42.54 | JMan^|Wok | entry = Convert Game Line to String |
| 17:43.01 | JMan^|Wok | or if you already have a string |
| 17:43.15 | JMan^|Wok | like when you get your button reference from the catalog, it will already be a string |
| 17:43.16 | Icebane | what should I convert, the ability? |
| 17:43.22 | JMan^|Wok | yes |
| 17:43.26 | JMan^|Wok | entry is the object's id |
| 17:43.52 | JMan^|Wok | for example: Catalog Field Value Get(Units, "Marine", "Name", All Players) |
| 17:43.59 | JMan^|Wok | you wouldn't actually do that |
| 17:44.09 | JMan^|Wok | but you can see what the parameters are supposed to be |
| 17:44.21 | JMan^|Wok | "Marine" is the entry |
| 17:44.31 | JMan^|Wok | it is the ID of the unit Marine (ofc) |
| 17:44.32 | Icebane | oh yeah that I've figured |
| 17:44.38 | JMan^|Wok | "Name" is the field path |
| 17:44.49 | JMan^|Wok | in your case it will be a lot more complicated than that |
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| 17:46.39 | Icebane | Sorry for me asking to repeat yourself but, how am I supposed to get button of "Ability Variable"? |
| 17:47.04 | JMan^|Wok | the first call to Catalog Field Value Get will return that |
| 17:47.44 | JMan^|Wok | buttonid = Catalog Field Value Get(Abilities, Convert Game Link to String(Triggering Ability), "CmdButtonArray[Execute].DefaultButtonFace", All Players) |
| 17:48.04 | JMan^|Wok | tooltip = Catalog Field Value Get(Buttons, buttonid, "Tooltip", All Players) |
| 17:48.13 | JMan^|Wok | tooltip is a string btw |
| 17:48.17 | JMan^|Wok | and you need to: |
| 17:48.29 | JMan^|Wok | tooltiptext = Convert Game Text(tooltip) |
| 17:48.45 | JMan^|Wok | make sense? |
| 17:48.54 | Icebane | I think ^^ |
| 17:49.06 | JMan^|Wok | step 1: get the button from the ability |
| 17:49.14 | JMan^|Wok | step 2: get the tooltip from the button |
| 17:49.29 | Icebane | buttonid is string tright? |
| 17:49.32 | Icebane | right* |
| 17:49.34 | JMan^|Wok | yes |
| 17:49.40 | JMan^|Wok | everything you get from the catalog is a string |
| 17:50.09 | JMan^|Wok | so if you were retrieving an integer, you'd have to convert it |
| 17:51.52 | JMan^|Wok | if you're trying to retrieve a text field, it will actually look something like this: Button/Name/##id## |
| 17:51.57 | Icebane | but this will only work as long as the button and the ability has the same ID right? |
| 17:52.00 | JMan^|Wok | which is where Convert Game Text comes in |
| 17:52.03 | JMan^|Wok | no |
| 17:52.10 | JMan^|Wok | you get the button id from the ability |
| 17:52.19 | JMan^|Wok | you use the buttonid in the second call |
| 17:52.35 | JMan^|Wok | so you're stepping through the catalog |
| 17:52.44 | JMan^|Wok | you need to save off each step as a string |
| 17:53.27 | JMan^|Wok | like, you could scan a unit, get his behaviors, open a behavior, find it's initial effect, go to that element in the catalog... |
| 17:53.30 | JMan^|Wok | and you could keep going |
| 17:53.44 | JMan^|Wok | but every time, you're getting the id of the next object from somewhere in the catalog |
| 17:54.01 | JMan^|Wok | so from your ability, you need the ID of the button object |
| 17:54.07 | JMan^|Wok | that's what the first line returns |
| 17:54.29 | JMan^|Wok | then you use that ID to get fields from your button |
| 17:56.33 | Icebane | and thats what you always gotta do as long as its not object oriented? |
| 17:57.28 | JMan^|Wok | it never will be |
| 17:57.30 | Icebane | if we compare this catalog-talk with the paradigm |
| 17:58.03 | JMan^|Wok | yeah, it's failing is that the "objects" are strings |
| 17:58.11 | JMan^|Wok | so you can't call a method of a string |
| 17:58.26 | JMan^|Wok | instead you have to just call another function with that string as a parameter |
| 17:58.43 | Icebane | That doesnt seem very effective ^^ |
| 17:59.20 | JMan^|Wok | its not |
| 17:59.24 | JMan^|Wok | but it's what we got |
| 17:59.36 | JMan^|Wok | that's why i was saying i wish it was more object oriented |
| 17:59.43 | JMan^|Wok | but that's a pipe dream |
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| 18:00.18 | Icebane | it worked quite well |
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| 18:00.34 | Icebane | it reached the tooclip of stimpack |
| 18:00.41 | JMan^|Wok | sweet |
| 18:00.56 | Icebane | but it doesnt return the actual tooclip, it returns Button/Toolclip/Stim |
| 18:01.02 | JMan^|Wok | yup |
| 18:01.20 | JMan^|Wok | new variable: Tooltip Text <Text> |
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| 18:01.29 | Icebane | but not the text , the actual description of stimpack |
| 18:01.41 | JMan^|Wok | Set Variable - Tooltip Text = Convert Game Text(tooltip) |
| 18:02.49 | JMan^|Wok | the string stored in the catalog is just a reference to an item in the text table |
| 18:03.04 | JMan^|Wok | Convert Game Text does that lookup |
| 18:04.42 | Icebane | IT FUCKING WORKS!!! |
| 18:04.56 | Icebane | 8D |
| 18:05.09 | JMan^|Wok | rock on |
| 18:05.18 | Icebane | you're almost as legendary as GMan |
| 18:05.20 | Icebane | ;) |
| 18:05.22 | Icebane | Thank you JMan <3 <3 |
| 18:05.45 | JMan^|Wok | not a problem |
| 18:06.53 | Icebane | oh really you probably saved me like.. I don't know how much time xD |
| 18:07.10 | Icebane | and also you learned me a lot about catalogs, ty :D and ty Helral, whosnot here too! |
| 18:07.13 | JMan^|Wok | i've got a pretty good idea |
| 18:07.22 | JMan^|Wok | because i had to figure that all out on my own |
| 18:07.36 | JMan^|Wok | which i actually did by looking through a library that helral wrote :P |
| 18:08.35 | Icebane | oh, did you do that now? or at another occasion? |
| 18:08.52 | JMan^|Wok | some time ago |
| 18:09.04 | JMan^|Wok | i've done a lot with catalogs since |
| 18:09.14 | JMan^|Wok | looking through his library helped me figure out the basics |
| 18:09.25 | JMan^|Wok | the rest came from trial and error/experience |
| 18:10.18 | Icebane | yeah, the latter is the hard way ^^ |
| 18:11.02 | JMan^|Wok | yeah, a lot of what i've done with the editor has been through trial and error |
| 18:11.30 | JMan^|Wok | "this seems like it should work. does it? no?... how about this?" |
| 18:11.41 | JMan^|Wok | i think that's how most people deal with the data editor :P |
| 18:13.30 | JMan^|Wok | i have issues |
| 18:13.37 | JMan^|Wok | i'm looking at stuff i don't need on newegg |
| 18:13.49 | JMan^|Wok | like... why am i looking at motherboards? |
| 18:13.56 | JMan^|Wok | i don't need a motherboard! |
| 18:14.03 | JMan^|Wok | i just built a new computer |
| 18:17.51 | JMan^|Wok | i need need some network cable tho |
| 18:17.55 | Icebane | Cause you're gonna build one for me |
| 18:18.00 | Icebane | and send it here to sweden! :D |
| 18:18.23 | Icebane | after all of this brainfucking I'm gonna relax with some league of legends |
| 18:18.28 | Icebane | talk to you later mate =) |
| 18:18.35 | Icebane | baai! |
| 18:19.29 | JMan^|Wok | later |
| 18:21.54 | JMan^|Wok | 100 ft is a lot of network cable |
| 18:24.47 | JMan^|Wok | 30m |
| 18:24.49 | JMan^|Wok | no joke |
| 18:28.35 | Technomancer | JMan^ Did you try the pokeball model out? |
| 18:28.43 | Technomancer | or did u get it? u went afk for the night |
| 18:29.27 | JMan^|Wok | i grabbed the model this morning |
| 18:29.31 | JMan^|Wok | but haven't done anything with it |
| 18:29.35 | Technomancer | k |
| 18:30.04 | JMan^|Wok | did i ever send you a screenshot of oak's lab? |
| 18:30.08 | Technomancer | naw |
| 18:30.11 | Technomancer | id love to see tho |
| 18:30.18 | JMan^|Wok | hmmm. i meant to |
| 18:30.26 | Technomancer | I thought u fell asleep lol |
| 18:30.33 | JMan^|Wok | i did |
| 18:30.45 | JMan^|Wok | just kind of laid down and zonked |
| 18:30.57 | Technomancer | XD happens alot to me |
| 18:31.05 | Technomancer | so i'd love to see when u get the chance |
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| 18:36.39 | JMan^|Wok | http://i55.tinypic.com/2a5ez9x.png |
| 18:36.44 | Technomancer | So is oaks lab complete then/ |
| 18:36.46 | Technomancer | ? |
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| 18:37.22 | JMan^|Wok | yeah, i think it is |
| 18:37.37 | JMan^|Wok | i gotta add the balls to the table |
| 18:37.45 | JMan^|Wok | but that's somehting that happens as part of the story anyways |
| 18:37.51 | JMan^|Wok | it's not actually part of the room |
| 18:38.01 | Technomancer | it'd be a doodad or unit type wouldnt it? |
| 18:38.05 | Technomancer | unit |
| 18:38.17 | JMan^|Wok | i've been using units for everything |
| 18:38.26 | Technomancer | yeah I just remembered u gotta select it |
| 18:38.34 | Technomancer | doodads ofc u cant |
| 18:38.49 | Technomancer | Is the potted plant going to be in that room? |
| 18:39.30 | JMan^|Wok | no, oak's doesn't have potted plants |
| 18:39.51 | Technomancer | ahh |
| 18:39.55 | JMan^|Wok | but the player's house does |
| 18:40.01 | JMan^|Wok | and lots of other houses |
| 18:40.01 | Technomancer | riiight was bout to say |
| 18:40.04 | Technomancer | yep |
| 18:40.18 | JMan^|Wok | lots |
| 18:40.23 | Technomancer | lol |
| 18:40.34 | Technomancer | well if placing plants in the pots doesnt work for u i can make a few varieties |
| 18:41.00 | Technomancer | it'll take time @_@ |
| 18:41.07 | JMan^|Wok | haven't gotten a chance to try it yet |
| 18:41.14 | JMan^|Wok | http://i56.tinypic.com/rc52cm.png |
| 18:41.16 | Technomancer | but its doable. if u can manage tho id really rather u do that |
| 18:41.19 | JMan^|Wok | players house so far |
| 18:41.28 | JMan^|Wok | i'd rather do it that way myself |
| 18:41.35 | JMan^|Wok | i'm sure i can figure out something |
| 18:42.03 | Technomancer | you know I can change monitor/billboard/flags, to have logos/icons relevant to the game (without infringing copyrights ofc) |
| 18:42.14 | Technomancer | for instance, on the jumbo monitor |
| 18:42.34 | Technomancer | u could have like the screen that shows the current match at the tornaments |
| 18:42.37 | JMan^|Wok | i like that the jumbo monitoring is showing unit dna |
| 18:42.43 | Technomancer | not that one |
| 18:42.45 | JMan^|Wok | it's perfect for oak's lab |
| 18:42.46 | Technomancer | the advert ones too :P |
| 18:42.52 | JMan^|Wok | oh, i c |
| 18:42.52 | Technomancer | and tehres other screens |
| 18:42.57 | Technomancer | theres LOADS of screens lol |
| 18:43.14 | Technomancer | and the flags and billboards, other stuff too |
| 18:43.41 | JMan^|Wok | currently, i am in need of stairs |
| 18:43.59 | Technomancer | its easy to make but idk how to make the player go up em unless thats not an issue for you:P |
| 18:44.34 | JMan^|Wok | i don't know how to do that either |
| 18:44.44 | JMan^|Wok | but i'll need stairs no matter what |
| 18:44.55 | Technomancer | so you'd just have it trigger when u get to the stairwell a dialog "Go upstairs?" and then a yes/no button? |
| 18:45.01 | JMan^|Wok | for the time being, he'll prolly walk into the stairs |
| 18:45.18 | JMan^|Wok | something like that |
| 18:45.28 | JMan^|Wok | maybe i can raise the height with a behavior |
| 18:45.28 | JMan^|Wok | dunno |
| 18:45.34 | Technomancer | I can't help you much today I dont think I got studies to do :( |
| 18:45.39 | JMan^|Wok | i can use terrain objects, but i can't place them dynammically |
| 18:45.41 | Technomancer | later maybe |
| 18:45.42 | JMan^|Wok | no worries |
| 18:45.50 | JMan^|Wok | if you feel up to it |
| 18:45.57 | JMan^|Wok | i appreciate all the help regardless |
| 18:45.57 | Technomancer | there has to be a way to improvise on something as simple as stairs tho |
| 18:46.54 | JMan^|Wok | yeah, i'll figure it out |
| 18:46.57 | JMan^|Wok | one way or another |
| 18:47.05 | JMan^|Wok | but the room won't look right without stairs |
| 18:47.24 | Stragus | What are you copying?... |
| 18:47.26 | Technomancer | I might be able to tonight/this evening. If you get a screenshot with the 3 pokeballs on the table i'll be...more amicable to it |
| 18:47.42 | Technomancer | because I actually wanna show it to some people XD |
| 18:48.00 | JMan^|Wok | i won't be able to do that until tonight myself |
| 18:48.03 | JMan^|Wok | <- at Wok |
| 18:48.06 | Technomancer | ok |
| 18:48.09 | Technomancer | whats Wok? |
| 18:48.11 | Technomancer | work? XD |
| 18:48.11 | JMan^|Wok | (= work) :) |
| 18:48.14 | Technomancer | :P |
| 18:48.19 | Technomancer | I know someone who called it wrok |
| 18:48.22 | JMan^|Wok | duh, i'm a stir fry! |
| 18:48.33 | Technomancer | I'll take the Kung Pao Bean Curd, plz k thx |
| 18:48.48 | Technomancer | What do u do? |
| 18:48.56 | JMan^|Wok | system analyst |
| 18:49.12 | Technomancer | no wonder |
| 18:49.26 | Technomancer | it'd take somethin like that to make a pkmn map work XD |
| 18:49.26 | JMan^|Wok | what's that? |
| 18:49.48 | JMan^|Wok | yeah, it's pretty heavy on the triggers |
| 18:51.16 | JMan^|Foodz | gonna run an grab some lunch |
| 18:51.20 | Technomancer | kk |
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| 18:55.09 | Xaragoth | Kaelten |
| 18:55.13 | Xaragoth | What do you do with the poor forums |
| 18:55.15 | Xaragoth | naked admin guy |
| 18:55.16 | Xaragoth | ~~ |
| 18:55.33 | Kaelten | hrm? |
| 18:55.47 | Xaragoth | you touched it, didn't you? |
| 18:55.53 | Kaelten | ? |
| 18:56.02 | Xaragoth | see internal forums :p |
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| 19:17.00 | Demonette | No helral =( |
| 19:18.16 | Xaragoth | helral had fish |
| 19:18.17 | Xaragoth | lots |
| 19:19.22 | JMan^|Foodz | it touched it |
| 19:19.25 | JMan^|Foodz | and i liked it |
| 19:21.14 | Xaragoth | also |
| 19:21.14 | Xaragoth | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/general/off-topic/18229-locked-threads-now-up-to-security-standards/#p1 |
| 19:22.21 | JMan^|Wok | awwwww.... but i want to respond |
| 19:22.30 | JMan^|Wok | how can i troll if i can't respond? |
| 19:22.45 | JMan^|Wok | won't someone think of the trollers? |
| 19:22.45 | Xaragoth | it's me trolling you |
| 19:22.48 | Xaragoth | that's the purpose |
| 19:23.30 | JMan^|Wok | i guess that's one way of looking at it :OP |
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| 19:30.50 | JMan^|Wok | your post seems a little harsh there |
| 19:31.06 | JMan^|Wok | the thread wasn't intended as a QQ, per se, it just turned out that way |
| 19:31.52 | JMan^|Wok | i dunno tho. i'm tired of hearing about it too |
| 19:32.05 | Xaragoth | I'm not harsh. |
| 19:32.06 | Xaragoth | I'm mean. |
| 19:32.09 | Xaragoth | That's different. |
| 19:32.40 | JMan^|Wok | someone was complaining in the forums last night about the reset |
| 19:32.42 | JMan^|Wok | over and over |
| 19:33.01 | JMan^|Wok | it was super annoying |
| 19:33.32 | JMan^|Wok | "no one cares. it doesn't really affect anything. get over it" |
| 19:33.37 | JMan^|Wok | that's what i wanted to say |
| 19:35.52 | JMan^|Wok | my failing is that i'm nice |
| 19:36.22 | JMan^|Wok | but between that and the guy yesterday who wanted help, but wouldn't listen to anything you said about the data editor... |
| 19:36.22 | Xaragoth | I already bashed Rodrigo on the head for it. |
| 19:36.25 | Xaragoth | And people still do it. |
| 19:36.29 | Xaragoth | It's ANNOYING. |
| 19:36.46 | Xaragoth | I'm not getting paid, so I don't have to put up with morons. |
| 19:37.03 | Xaragoth | Because my compensation for dealing with them is the right to destroy their little internet avatars. |
| 19:37.32 | JMan^|Wok | yeah, rodrigo is a special case |
| 19:37.38 | JMan^|Wok | he's very... vocal |
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| 19:38.12 | Xaragoth | lets call it "mentally special" |
| 19:38.42 | JMan^|Wok | i do like soulcarver's post tho :P |
| 19:39.43 | Xaragoth | that one is also "mentally special" ... though he got more stable after we punched him in the nuts a few times |
| 19:39.58 | Xaragoth | now he is a modest citizen of mapster-town |
| 19:40.16 | JMan^|Wok | another thing i've noticed about rodrigo. he's done some really cool things with his maps, but never seems to contribute anything back to teh community |
| 19:40.27 | JMan^|Wok | i'm always getting people asking "how did rodrigo do this" |
| 19:40.32 | Xaragoth | which proves: violence solves problems, just use a lot more |
| 19:42.08 | JMan^|Wok | he also appears to get banned from everything |
| 19:42.26 | JMan^|Wok | and then he wonders why |
| 19:42.32 | JMan^|Wok | you'd think he'd notice the pattern |
| 19:43.29 | Xaragoth | heh |
| 19:44.27 | JMan^|Wok | i do wish he'd contribute some of what he learned tho |
| 19:44.38 | JMan^|Wok | seems a more productive outlet |
| 19:44.42 | Xaragoth | dunno |
| 19:45.01 | Xaragoth | didn't see ANYTHING from rodrido that I can't do myself |
| 19:45.16 | Xaragoth | it's just that I'd rather not do something like Debates. |
| 19:45.44 | JMan^|Wok | other people do tho |
| 19:45.54 | JMan^|Wok | and then they come onto irc |
| 19:46.00 | JMan^|Wok | and ask how he did things |
| 19:46.05 | JMan^|Wok | but he's a closed book |
| 19:46.37 | Xaragoth | probably the same people who ask about caves in the terrain forums all the time |
| 19:46.38 | JMan^|Wok | i digress |
| 19:46.41 | Shawn|Rawr | After seeing how the community backed him during the NWW thing, you'd think he'd be better about it |
| 19:46.52 | Shawn|Rawr | I agree. |
| 19:47.07 | Xaragoth | I have a new blacklist btw |
| 19:47.32 | Xaragoth | It's for people who are going to get hurt a bit first thing we get our mod-system somewhere between now and the end of time |
| 19:49.41 | JMan^|Wok | it just seems that rodrigo hurts the community at every step, but doesn't really give anything back |
| 19:50.12 | Xaragoth | he doesn't hurt me |
| 19:50.14 | Xaragoth | he annoys me |
| 19:50.16 | Xaragoth | thats different |
| 19:50.22 | Xaragoth | blizzard hurts the community with their moronism |
| 19:50.38 | Xaragoth | hell, they had to place their stupid maps up top, nobody would've played them otherwise AND THEY KNEW IT |
| 19:51.06 | Shawn|Rawr | Nobody will play them after either. |
| 19:51.20 | Shawn|Rawr | All those maps were fun the first couple times but are pointless after that |
| 19:52.01 | JMan^|Wok | i'm not sure that's the point really |
| 19:52.11 | JMan^|Wok | i think they wanted to encourage more mapmaking |
| 19:52.29 | JMan^|Wok | i could be wrong tho |
| 19:52.35 | JMan^|Wok | and if the maps aren't played, they don't really encourage anything |
| 19:56.11 | JMan^|Wok | but yes, blizz has been blundering for quite a while now |
| 19:56.21 | JMan^|Wok | but they've done some good as well |
| 19:56.28 | Obatztrara | I dont know...maybe people's reaction on blizz's maps are a little harsh |
| 19:56.42 | JMan^|Wok | just having the editor at all is amazing |
| 19:56.45 | Obatztrara | first of all: why should they even bother making maps for the community? |
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| 19:57.01 | JMan^|Wok | custom layouts were a good thing |
| 19:57.05 | JMan^|Wok | custom style were good |
| 19:57.12 | Obatztrara | yea... |
| 19:57.13 | JMan^|Wok | editor fixes have been good for the most part |
| 19:57.26 | Obatztrara | imo those maps arent really for the players but rather for map makers to learn from |
| 19:57.29 | JMan^|Wok | bank limitation changes |
| 19:57.54 | JMan^|Wok | they've shown that they are interested in helping us |
| 19:58.08 | JMan^|Wok | they just haven't done the best job in actually doing that |
| 19:58.22 | JMan^|Wok | there have been a few fumbles |
| 19:58.28 | JMan^|Wok | obv the pop system is the big one |
| 19:58.44 | Xaragoth | JMan: All of these are to be expected, if they want to encourage the community. Hell, a lot of the things they did should've been in the Retail anyways. Same goes for BNet... Remember Chats? |
| 19:59.16 | JMan^|Wok | well they meant well |
| 19:59.19 | Xaragoth | Obatztrara: Seeing what they did, I'd rather not have them make custom maps, thank you very much |
| 19:59.21 | JMan^|Wok | but they fucked it up |
| 19:59.36 | JMan^|Wok | taking out chats was for a reason |
| 19:59.39 | Obatztrara | lol xaragoth...what makes you say that? |
| 19:59.44 | JMan^|Wok | no network play was for a reason |
| 19:59.49 | JMan^|Wok | i didn't say good reason |
| 19:59.58 | JMan^|Wok | but they didn't do it without forethought |
| 20:00.29 | JMan^|Wok | i'm just playing devil's advocate tho |
| 20:00.32 | Xaragoth | Obatztrara, I call it "Because they sucked." |
| 20:00.38 | JMan^|Wok | they done plenty of good and bad |
| 20:00.49 | Xaragoth | but than again |
| 20:00.55 | Xaragoth | they were better than 90% of the crap on bnet |
| 20:01.03 | Xaragoth | so they get +1 for effort while developing heart of the swarm |
| 20:01.19 | Obatztrara | still - they didnt cause any damage. Apart from maybe wasting a considerable amount of time they could have used improving the pop system |
| 20:01.39 | Xaragoth | they cut their own flesh with having to put them up on the top |
| 20:01.43 | Xaragoth | sure, it's their right to do so |
| 20:01.47 | Obatztrara | yea |
| 20:01.50 | Xaragoth | but it's still a good point to stab at |
| 20:01.54 | Obatztrara | yep |
| 20:02.12 | Obatztrara | they should have tried to prove that the system works |
| 20:02.18 | Xaragoth | also, I just thought what a great idea it'd be to make something like Bloodline Champions in terms of controls for an sc2 aos |
| 20:02.18 | Obatztrara | kinda pathetic |
| 20:02.20 | Xaragoth | I shall investigate |
| 20:02.56 | Xaragoth | Obatztrara: The same folks who ordered Bashiok to post his real name over the "Real ID in Forums" idea and got slapped across the face, when they found out a lot more than Blizz thought? |
| 20:03.07 | Xaragoth | I doubt they'd fall into that hole again |
| 20:03.25 | Xaragoth | hell, his kids had to switch school from what I heard |
| 20:03.50 | Obatztrara | :S |
| 20:04.08 | Xaragoth | brb |
| 20:04.36 | Obatztrara | anyone on EU in testing mood? ;-) |
| 20:04.44 | JMan^|Wok | i'm not sure they actually know how to fix the popularity system |
| 20:04.51 | JMan^|Wok | if they did, i think they would have done it by now |
| 20:05.06 | Obatztrara | though* |
| 20:05.08 | Obatztrara | scary and very plausible though |
| 20:05.12 | Obatztrara | darn |
| 20:05.21 | Obatztrara | thought* |
| 20:06.56 | JMan^|Wok | obv the community is up in arms about the situation |
| 20:07.07 | JMan^|Wok | if they had a solution, don't you think they'd have done it by now? |
| 20:07.53 | JMan^|Wok | even the users (non-mapmakers) don't like the system |
| 20:08.17 | Obatztrara | still |
| 20:08.27 | Obatztrara | there may be no obvious solution to the pop system itself |
| 20:08.36 | Obatztrara | but if you cant fix it at least offer an alternative |
| 20:08.40 | Obatztrara | whats so hard about that? |
| 20:08.43 | Obatztrara | :( |
| 20:08.52 | JMan^|Wok | they did |
| 20:08.55 | JMan^|Wok | and we hated it |
| 20:09.09 | Obatztrara | what about a plain sorted search?... |
| 20:09.12 | JMan^|Wok | well, it is a mild improvement |
| 20:10.38 | JMan^|Wok | yeah, i'm not sure why patch 1.21 doesn't include some sort of sort/search feature |
| 20:10.46 | JMan^|Wok | that was widely asked for after 1.2 |
| 20:11.04 | JMan^|Wok | and i'm really, really confused why it wasn't there all along |
| 20:11.10 | Obatztrara | :S |
| 20:11.20 | JMan^|Wok | like... //really// confused |
| 20:11.28 | JMan^|Wok | that should be a "duh" moment for blizz |
| 20:12.16 | JMan^|Wok | "although our system may not be perfect, we can suplement it with this simple feature" |
| 20:12.27 | JMan^|Wok | "and more people will be happy" |
| 20:13.25 | JMan^|Wok | maybe they just thought their system had all the answers |
| 20:16.34 | soundsnc_ | hey guys, anyone know which properties of an object defines its ability to fade when its in the way of a camera? |
| 20:16.40 | soundsnc_ | and by object, i mean doodad |
| 20:17.23 | HP-X|Arthas | anyone here know where to find the tool for extracting the sounds in starcraft? |
| 20:17.52 | soundsnc_ | just use a mpq file manager |
| 20:18.00 | Xaragoth | JMan^|Wok: One of the easier solutions would be to sort the system a lot better |
| 20:18.09 | HP-X|Arthas | soundsnc_: that does not list the audio as fileXXXXXXXX.wav |
| 20:18.09 | HP-X|Arthas | :p |
| 20:19.24 | soundsnc_ | fair enough, you thought of that already then |
| 20:19.59 | HP-X|Arthas | nvm found it ;D |
| 20:28.33 | JMan^|Wok | man, skizot has got to have the least stable internet in the world |
| 20:29.49 | JMan^|Wok | or irc client |
| 20:30.48 | Xaragoth | heh |
| 20:32.00 | Lilianna | or the gerbil in his router is really old |
| 20:33.00 | JMan^|Wok | someone think of the gerbil! |
| 20:33.15 | wOlfLinG | Gerbil? He's still got 10 year old hampster power :O |
| 20:33.17 | wOlfLinG | I just said, it's not a gerbil >:( |
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| 20:37.06 | JMan^|Wok | fine! will someone please think of the rodent? |
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| 20:55.16 | soundsnc_ | for anyone wondering about the doodad opacity when its in front of the camera |
| 20:55.27 | soundsnc_ | the data editor field is in the model and its called occlusion |
| 20:55.33 | soundsnc_ | set it to "hide" and you're golden |
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| 21:04.53 | Shawn|Rawr | soundsnc_: that will make it so they dont block your vision when in 3rd person? |
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| 21:23.09 | Razernok | :( |
| 21:24.05 | Razernok | sucks that you can make an actor only visible to 1 player |
| 21:24.41 | JMan^|Wok | can? |
| 21:24.47 | Razernok | can't**** |
| 21:24.49 | Razernok | opps |
| 21:25.39 | JMan^|Wok | you can make a unit cloaked and reveal it with detectors |
| 21:25.58 | Razernok | not talking about the unit |
| 21:25.59 | JMan^|Wok | if its cloaked and burrowed, it doesn't show the transparent effect |
| 21:26.08 | JMan^|Wok | well, if you promote the actor to a unit |
| 21:26.20 | Razernok | for example do Actor - Attach GroundLocalSelection to Origin on (Triggering unit) then show only to player X |
| 21:26.54 | JMan^|Wok | i'm pretty sure you can do what you're trying to do with actor events |
| 21:27.16 | Razernok | the unit is still visible to all players just not the attached actor |
| 21:27.42 | Razernok | I've looked through the actor triggers, not possible |
| 21:27.49 | JMan^|Wok | not actor triggers |
| 21:27.52 | JMan^|Wok | actor events |
| 21:27.53 | JMan^|Wok | in data |
| 21:28.02 | Razernok | oh, can't do that then |
| 21:28.52 | JMan^|Wok | nevermind. there isn't a way |
| 21:29.14 | JMan^|Wok | but you saying something can't be done, then someone offering a solution and you saying you just can't do that... |
| 21:29.32 | JMan^|Wok | it can be done. you just don't want to learn |
| 21:29.40 | JMan^|Wok | i can't help you if you don't want to learn |
| 21:30.37 | Razernok | I don't know shit about the data editor |
| 21:30.42 | Razernok | so I can't do it |
| 21:30.59 | JMan^|Wok | well then don't complain saying something can't be done |
| 21:31.20 | JMan^|Wok | you can do it. you just don't want ot |
| 21:31.25 | JMan^|Wok | there's a difference |
| 21:31.46 | JMan^|Wok | nobody here is going to do it for you |
| 21:32.18 | Razernok | i can't do anything in the data editor |
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| 21:32.49 | JMan^|Wok | because you're not willing to learn |
| 21:33.04 | Razernok | not like anyone is willing to help though |
| 21:33.44 | JMan^|Wok | omg |
| 21:33.56 | JMan^|Wok | have you looked through the forums? the tutorials? |
| 21:34.16 | JMan^|Wok | we're not willing to cover something that's already covered there |
| 21:34.25 | Razernok | i don't see any tutorials on how to show an actor to only 1 player |
| 21:34.48 | JMan^|Wok | see, you want to be spoon-fed the answer |
| 21:34.51 | JMan^|Wok | it's not that simple |
| 21:35.52 | Razernok | I don't need but this one thing |
| 21:36.11 | Razernok | I don't need the rest of the data editor stuff. just this one thing |
| 21:36.29 | JMan^|Wok | its just not that simple |
| 21:36.43 | JMan^|Wok | the solution will require several data objects that you will need to create |
| 21:40.15 | JMan^|Wok | the best way i know of, and the forums seem to support that this is the only way |
| 21:40.22 | JMan^|Wok | is to promote the actor to a unit |
| 21:40.49 | JMan^|Wok | make it cloaked/burrowed, and reveal it to specific players through detectors |
| 21:42.10 | JMan^|Wok | which is what i've been saying since yesterday |
| 21:42.17 | Technomancer | Razernok im no expert by any means but I did teach myself and learn what I needed to do what I wanted. it took a few weeks to master some dynamics regarding unit creation and appearance of other kinds of dynamics but I did it. you gotta put in the time m8 |
| 21:42.21 | JMan^|Wok | and you haven't been very interested in |
| 21:43.04 | JMan^|Wok | it's not my fault that it's hard, and complaining in irc that "it can't be done" doesn't make it less hard |
| 21:43.14 | Technomancer | lol true |
| 21:43.34 | Technomancer | I am sure there are people that would help you learn if you asked, but you gotta be willing to do effort |
| 21:43.49 | JMan^|Wok | lots of people have offered to help him |
| 21:43.52 | JMan^|Wok | he shoots them down |
| 21:43.55 | Technomancer | I know |
| 21:44.01 | Technomancer | I saw you and someone else |
| 21:44.12 | Technomancer | thats just laziness lol no sympathy from me |
| 21:44.54 | JMan^|Wok | i don't mean to be harsh, but i just can't listen to him complain anymore |
| 21:45.12 | Razernok | I don't have 2 months to learn the data editor to do one single thing |
| 21:45.39 | Technomancer | Razernok it might only take 1-2 weeks or even a couple days if u commit and listen to the help and do what is suggested |
| 21:45.50 | Technomancer | From what hes saying it sounds like 1-2 days work if that |
| 21:46.22 | Technomancer | People are willing to help, but not spoonfeed |
| 21:46.37 | Razernok | for someone who knows the data editor already sure its 1-2 days |
| 21:46.37 | Technomancer | or maybe they will if u offer an incentive, idk :P |
| 21:46.57 | Technomancer | It isnt that huge a change from what JMan said |
| 21:47.19 | Technomancer | you aren't even trying tho so you dont know either. dont complain about time until you actually tried |
| 21:47.37 | Razernok | it would take around 2 months to learn the data editor well enough to do it on my own |
| 21:47.47 | Technomancer | But hes offering to show u how |
| 21:47.52 | Technomancer | so its not on your own |
| 21:48.01 | Technomancer | its a step by step thing man |
| 21:48.17 | Razernok | no he isn't. he wants me to learn the data editor and do it on my own |
| 21:48.34 | Technomancer | im sure if you asked there are people who'd offer to help you walkthrough |
| 21:48.35 | JMan^|Wok | a contraire |
| 21:48.59 | Technomancer | but I dont think you'll find someone who will do all your work for you |
| 21:49.03 | JMan^|Wok | i'm telling you to not shoot down an idea because you're not interested in doing anything with the data editor |
| 21:49.24 | JMan^|Wok | you'll never get anywhere |
| 21:49.44 | soundsnc_ | 07Shawn|Rawr01: Yes |
| 21:49.50 | JMan^|Wok | we deal with specific questions |
| 21:49.52 | Razernok | I never said I won't do data editor ever, just don't know it or have time to learn it to do things on my own in it |
| 21:49.57 | JMan^|Wok | your original question was specific, which is good |
| 21:50.10 | JMan^|Wok | but then "how do you do this?" is not so specific |
| 21:50.22 | JMan^|Wok | put in some effort, and come back with something more specific |
| 21:50.36 | JMan^|Wok | "you say i need to promote the actor to a unit. how would i do that?" |
| 21:50.46 | Technomancer | it all starts with opening the data module, and like I said, there are people who will advise you on how to walk through it. I got help here in IRC, but they gave me steps and I discovered it myself |
| 21:50.49 | JMan^|Wok | that shows you're actually interested in working out a solution |
| 21:51.36 | Razernok | i don't know anything about the data editor, so if it could be done in the data editor i have no clue how or where |
| 21:51.43 | Technomancer | Ok dude |
| 21:51.46 | JMan^|Wok | see |
| 21:51.50 | JMan^|Wok | i'm done. |
| 21:51.52 | Technomancer | ask and people will help you walkthrough it |
| 21:51.57 | JMan^|Wok | until you're willing to drop that attitude |
| 21:52.15 | Razernok | I'm not the one with an attitude. |
| 21:52.35 | Technomancer | Actually you are. stop saying "I dont know" and ask "Can you help me learn?" no one is shooting you down, but you have to be willing |
| 21:52.52 | Technomancer | You are coming into the situation with a defeatist attitude |
| 21:53.06 | JMan^|Wok | you want attitude? don't you dare start complaining about "X can't be done", when it can and you don't want to do it. I *will* get you booted. |
| 21:53.13 | JMan^|Wok | i can't listen to it anymore |
| 21:53.18 | Razernok | ppl expect me to first learn the data editor before they help |
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| 21:53.37 | JMan^|Wok | how dare they? |
| 21:54.05 | Razernok | I don't have several months to learn it |
| 21:54.16 | Technomancer | It took me a couple weeks |
| 21:54.16 | JMan^|Wok | you need to know your way around, that's all there is to it |
| 21:54.22 | Technomancer | to get the elementary stuff down man |
| 21:54.39 | Technomancer | I had working unit mods down in 4 days |
| 21:54.40 | JMan^|Wok | i can't teach you if you don't know the basic objects |
| 21:54.56 | JMan^|Wok | otherwise i'd be telling you exactly what to do at every step |
| 21:54.57 | Technomancer | i'd be willing to teach you but I dont have the time |
| 21:55.03 | JMan^|Wok | so i might as well make your map for you |
| 21:55.09 | Razernok | I can find my way around the editor, i don't know what any of it means in the data editor though |
| 21:55.33 | JMan^|Wok | that's actually an improvement |
| 21:55.49 | Technomancer | If I mightmake a suggestion |
| 21:55.49 | JMan^|Wok | but you're not there yet |
| 21:56.31 | Technomancer | If you're willing, You should see if there is someone who could help you, and send your map, and they can see what your problem is and give you the step-by-step, but you solve them yourself as directed |
| 21:57.15 | Razernok | I'm not sending my core map for my project as it contains everything else |
| 21:57.16 | Technomancer | each step is self-evident if you already know your way around as you say |
| 21:57.22 | Technomancer | *shrug* ok |
| 21:57.50 | JMan^|Wok | just don't say it can't be done if you're not willing to go through the steps... |
| 21:58.05 | Technomancer | You can do what you want, but the whining isn't excusable |
| 21:59.05 | Technomancer | im done lol |
| 21:59.09 | Technomancer | afk |
| 22:00.14 | JMan^|Wok | apparently you can make an actor (filter) to show an actor to only one player |
| 22:00.18 | JMan^|Wok | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/data/17891-actor-visible-for-only-1-player/ |
| 22:00.31 | JMan^|Wok | if you'd searched, you would have found that |
| 22:00.53 | Razernok | thats using a unit |
| 22:00.59 | Razernok | not doing a unit |
| 22:01.05 | JMan^|Wok | omg |
| 22:01.07 | JMan^|Wok | read further |
| 22:01.08 | Razernok | I'm attaching the actor to the model |
| 22:01.26 | JMan^|Wok | the one with the video |
| 22:01.31 | JMan^|Wok | of onetwo's tutorial |
| 22:01.38 | JMan^|Wok | that supposedly shows how to do that |
| 22:02.02 | Razernok | onetwo's shows to everyone |
| 22:02.06 | Razernok | not one player |
| 22:02.16 | Razernok | even onetwo told me |
| 22:02.32 | Razernok | he said the skybox can be seen by all players |
| 22:02.52 | Razernok | even other players' skyboxes |
| 22:03.39 | JMan^|Wok | actor - filter |
| 22:04.04 | Razernok | I'm placing the GroundLocalSelection on units not owned by the player |
| 22:04.33 | JMan^|Wok | who are they owned by? |
| 22:04.37 | JMan^|Wok | neutral? |
| 22:04.45 | Razernok | no |
| 22:04.53 | JMan^|Wok | enemy? |
| 22:04.56 | JMan^|Wok | it has to be something |
| 22:05.04 | Razernok | it might be enemies or neutral or even allies |
| 22:05.23 | JMan^|Wok | well you need to control that somehow |
| 22:05.40 | JMan^|Wok | cuz every method i've suggested involves filtering based on ally/enemy/neutral |
| 22:05.46 | JMan^|Wok | i don't know of any other way |
| 22:05.50 | Razernok | like a player might select an ally unit in order to heal him |
| 22:06.44 | JMan^|Wok | make the actors into units owned by the player |
| 22:07.07 | Razernok | can't attach a unit to another unit |
| 22:07.18 | JMan^|Wok | but you can put them in the same place |
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| 22:07.38 | JMan^|Wok | nvm. you need them to move |
| 22:08.04 | Razernok | need the selection to stay on the unit selected |
| 22:08.50 | Technomancer | why cant it just be an effect? |
| 22:09.07 | JMan^|Wok | yeah, the effect has an owner |
| 22:09.10 | Technomancer | like the charging model or something, it stays on only under certain conditions |
| 22:09.12 | JMan^|Wok | or a behavior |
| 22:09.23 | Razernok | I'm attaching it to the unit |
| 22:09.41 | JMan^|Wok | yeah, a behavior attaches to a unit too |
| 22:09.41 | Technomancer | ...right, effects can do that, and trigger only when certain conditions are fulfilled |
| 22:10.05 | JMan^|Wok | and can fire an actor event to show the actor |
| 22:10.12 | Technomancer | yeah |
| 22:10.18 | JMan^|Wok | and the actor can be visible to only allies of the caster |
| 22:10.26 | Technomancer | actor - effect - selection model |
| 22:10.27 | JMan^|Wok | or only the caster himself |
| 22:10.34 | JMan^|Wok | whatever you want |
| 22:10.49 | JMan^|Wok | but then it's not the unit owner but the behavior/effect owner that matters |
| 22:12.20 | Razernok | but that means i would need to give the player's unit a spell to cast selection onto a unit when i'm using left click to select not a spell |
| 22:12.47 | JMan^|Wok | nope |
| 22:12.47 | Razernok | it would look dumb to make a player have to use a spell it order to select a unit |
| 22:12.53 | JMan^|Wok | you can trigger on the unit selection |
| 22:12.58 | JMan^|Wok | and cast the spell yourself |
| 22:13.06 | JMan^|Wok | you can just add behavior to unit |
| 22:13.18 | JMan^|Wok | and the parameters are what unit and what caster |
| 22:13.21 | Technomancer | now im lost :P |
| 22:13.44 | JMan^|Wok | well, i'm saying behavior because he want's the effect to last |
| 22:13.50 | JMan^|Wok | whereas an effect is 1-time |
| 22:13.59 | JMan^|Wok | the behavior can be removed |
| 22:14.25 | Razernok | the selection circle remains until the player deselects the unit or the unit dies, or player dies |
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| 22:15.03 | JMan^|Wok | yeah, so you'd remove the behavior at that time |
| 22:15.06 | JMan^|Wok | through triggers |
| 22:15.11 | Technomancer | and the behavior can have a model associated with its activation (guardianshield of the sentry as an example) |
| 22:15.32 | JMan^|Wok | exactly |
| 22:15.40 | JMan^|Wok | and that actor can have a filter |
| 22:15.50 | JMan^|Wok | to show it only to the people you want to see it |
| 22:16.19 | JMan^|Wok | making sense? |
| 22:17.06 | Razernok | sorta, don't see the behavior called Guardian Shield |
| 22:17.26 | JMan^|Wok | it might be called something else |
| 22:17.32 | JMan^|Wok | unit - sentry |
| 22:18.02 | Technomancer | uh search "Sentry" |
| 22:18.06 | Technomancer | you'll see it under there im sure |
| 22:18.07 | JMan^|Wok | sentry - guardian shield |
| 22:18.41 | JMan^|Wok | see that actor attached to the behavior? |
| 22:18.51 | JMan^|Wok | that's done through actor events |
| 22:18.55 | Technomancer | of course a verbatim copy wont do but it will at least provide a framework for behaviours and models triggered onto an existing unit as an example |
| 22:18.58 | JMan^|Wok | the events themselves are really quite simple |
| 22:19.14 | Technomancer | Well actually I had some real issues with the events, it depends :P |
| 22:19.25 | JMan^|Wok | well, the event for this is |
| 22:19.30 | Technomancer | yeah |
| 22:19.34 | JMan^|Wok | behavior - whatever - on: create |
| 22:19.43 | JMan^|Wok | behavior - whatever - off: destroy |
| 22:19.44 | JMan^|Wok | done |
| 22:20.45 | JMan^|Wok | but the behavior for the sentry grants armor. you don't want it to buff anything |
| 22:21.39 | Razernok | don't see how to show it to player X |
| 22:21.40 | JMan^|Wok | but raz: do me a favor. open up the actor "Sentry - Guardian Shield", and then open up Event - Events + |
| 22:21.52 | JMan^|Wok | Actor - Filter |
| 22:21.54 | JMan^|Wok | on the actor |
| 22:22.15 | JMan^|Wok | that blue event is the event that turns on the guardian shield |
| 22:22.18 | JMan^|Wok | it turns itself off |
| 22:22.34 | JMan^|Wok | you'd want another event to turn yours off |
| 22:22.44 | JMan^|Wok | but hopefully, the event itself makes sense |
| 22:23.03 | JMan^|Wok | when behavior, sentry - guardian shield, is turned on for a unit, create this actor at that unit |
| 22:23.09 | JMan^|Wok | that's what it's saying |
| 22:23.42 | JMan^|Wok | your second event would be "Behavior; <Your Behavior>; Off: Destroy" |
| 22:23.57 | Technomancer | the damage reduction can be found in behavior-behavior or something in there at the top |
| 22:23.58 | JMan^|Wok | which is saying when the behavior is taken off, destroy this actor |
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| 22:25.13 | Razernok | so in filter i do what> |
| 22:25.15 | Razernok | ? |
| 22:25.21 | JMan^|Wok | depends |
| 22:25.25 | JMan^|Wok | on who you want to see it |
| 22:25.36 | Razernok | just the player who did the selection |
| 22:25.44 | JMan^|Wok | then jsut player |
| 22:25.51 | JMan^|Wok | er, check everything else |
| 22:25.56 | Razernok | ok |
| 22:25.56 | JMan^|Wok | but player |
| 22:26.46 | Technomancer | I am actually curious, how would you make it screen based on specific players? |
| 22:27.10 | JMan^|Wok | Actor - Filter is apparently how Ghost - Nuke works |
| 22:27.32 | JMan^|Wok | it just filters enemies and neutral |
| 22:27.37 | JMan^|Wok | or maybe just enemies |
| 22:27.38 | JMan^|Wok | either wya |
| 22:28.01 | Technomancer | it doesnt kill allies? I thought it did |
| 22:28.11 | Technomancer | oh wait u mean selection |
| 22:28.17 | JMan^|Wok | the actor |
| 22:28.19 | Stragus | Actor visibility |
| 22:28.21 | Technomancer | which do u mean? |
| 22:28.22 | JMan^|Wok | for placement |
| 22:28.27 | Technomancer | ohhh |
| 22:28.30 | JMan^|Wok | the giant nuke overlay |
| 22:28.38 | Technomancer | but those are tags aside from specific players |
| 22:28.43 | JMan^|Wok | or maybe just the dot |
| 22:28.47 | Razernok | hmmm, i made a neutral sentry cast the shield, on the actor filter i check everything except self and i could see it but i don't own the unit |
| 22:28.54 | Technomancer | is the objective to make it visible/invisible based on enemies/allies or specific players? |
| 22:29.04 | Technomancer | the latter is the one i dont know lol |
| 22:29.44 | JMan^|Wok | that shouldn't be so |
| 22:30.21 | Razernok | the unit is owned by neutral 0 and casted the shield but i see it |
| 22:30.33 | Razernok | and the filters all cept self |
| 22:31.14 | JMan^|Wok | i'm sorry |
| 22:31.17 | JMan^|Wok | check it the other way |
| 22:31.24 | JMan^|Wok | only check self |
| 22:31.42 | JMan^|Wok | i just looked at the ghost ability |
| 22:32.01 | Razernok | now self is all thats checked and I still see it |
| 22:32.41 | JMan^|Wok | it should work... |
| 22:32.48 | JMan^|Wok | i mean, i've never seen it work |
| 22:32.55 | JMan^|Wok | but i'm looking at the ghost ability |
| 22:33.21 | Technomancer | perhaps you gotta do it all the way around |
| 22:33.29 | Technomancer | I mean :"other way around" |
| 22:33.34 | Technomancer | idk lol |
| 22:34.00 | JMan^|Wok | yeah, i'm relooking, and it looks like it is supposed to be everything but self |
| 22:34.05 | JMan^|Wok | but i'm not sure why it's not working |
| 22:34.18 | Razernok | all i did was open a test map with a lone sentry and modified the filter |
| 22:34.20 | JMan^|Wok | how are you forcing him to cast the ability? |
| 22:34.30 | Razernok | using a trigger |
| 22:34.48 | JMan^|Wok | issue order to unit? |
| 22:34.56 | Razernok | yea |
| 22:36.18 | JMan^|Wok | i'm a little stumped, i'm not gonna lie |
| 22:36.34 | Technomancer | uhhh |
| 22:36.42 | Technomancer | u could try exiting and reloading editor :P |
| 22:36.48 | Technomancer | it has fixed a few problems for me |
| 22:36.51 | JMan^|Wok | that's a good thought |
| 22:37.03 | Technomancer | close everything out and reopen |
| 22:37.24 | JMan^|Wok | i'd also try checking and unchecking all |
| 22:37.29 | JMan^|Wok | to find out which one is which |
| 22:38.30 | Technomancer | which brings us to another important editor lesson: Trial and Error! experimentation, there's loads of it. It is glitchy as fuck and sometimes it can be the program itself and not the code. hence the rebooting the entire program and sc2 too |
| 22:38.52 | JMan^|Wok | yeah, i wish that wasn't trye |
| 22:39.00 | JMan^|Wok | got enough of my own bugs to worry about |
| 22:39.06 | Technomancer | shouldn't they have fixed it by now? XD |
| 22:39.11 | Technomancer | lazy cunts |
| 22:40.18 | JMan^|Wok | he must be spending the 10 minutes it takes to close and reopen |
| 22:40.31 | JMan^|Wok | we love our data editor :P |
| 22:40.42 | Razernok | nope, didn't work |
| 22:40.47 | Razernok | still the same |
| 22:40.53 | Technomancer | @_@ this is why I stick to models/textures/unit/weapon related stuff. |
| 22:41.14 | JMan^|Wok | check all, test, check none, test |
| 22:41.36 | JMan^|Wok | hopefully you wont see it in one of those two scenarios |
| 22:41.51 | Razernok | check all - still see |
| 22:42.07 | Razernok | check none - is the default for it on that actor |
| 22:43.23 | Razernok | both check all and check none still show the effect |
| 22:45.52 | JMan^|Wok | weird |
| 22:46.09 | JMan^|Wok | i' |
| 22:46.17 | JMan^|Wok | i've got to leave work shortly |
| 22:46.19 | Razernok | hmmm, wrong actor |
| 22:46.35 | Razernok | i looked at the spell for the shield and it has two actors |
| 22:46.42 | Razernok | impact and the normal one |
| 22:46.53 | Stragus | That would explain things ;) |
| 22:46.54 | JMan^|Wok | ah |
| 22:47.20 | Razernok | so i checked all except self in the normal actor and i don't see it |
| 22:47.20 | JMan^|Wok | i know. i didn't think it was possible for me to be stumped :P |
| 22:47.31 | JMan^|Wok | ok. that's a great start |
| 22:47.50 | JMan^|Wok | now apply the behavior to something using your unit as the caster |
| 22:48.34 | JMan^|Wok | if you see it, that's good news |
| 22:48.55 | Technomancer | and you can change the model to the selection ring or whatever the hell you want |
| 22:50.19 | JMan^|Wok | i'm leaving work |
| 22:50.28 | JMan^|Wok | they should be able to help you further |
| 22:50.32 | JMan^|Wok | but i'll be back on shortly |
| 22:50.51 | JMan^|Wok | sorry, leaving Wok, not work |
| 22:52.00 | Technomancer | I am not AS knowledgable as JMan but I should be able to offer a little. However im studying so it'd be little |
| 22:52.22 | Technomancer | lemme know if you have any more problems |
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| 22:55.04 | Razernok | I don't see how it creates the actor for the shield (the dome) |
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| 22:56.34 | Technomancer | well you see the models sections right? |
| 22:56.41 | Technomancer | it is there, not actors, where u can change the model used |
| 22:56.52 | Technomancer | im not in SC2 editor right now |
| 22:57.13 | Technomancer | and ive got a shit short-term memory, but its art-model in one of those fields |
| 22:57.19 | Technomancer | then u choose the appropriate .m3 |
| 22:57.43 | Razernok | selection circle isn't a model you know |
| 22:58.19 | Helral | meow |
| 23:00.13 | Helral | Razernok: what is this model for, you know? Assets\Splats\Splat_SelectionCircle\Splat_SelectionCircle.m3 |
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| 23:02.03 | Razernok | -.- can't order the unit to cast it |
| 23:02.39 | Razernok | its not in the list |
| 23:07.27 | Razernok | why isn't my spell under the trigger for order unit to cast ____ on target? |
| 23:08.24 | Technomancer | uhh u know how to add abilities? |
| 23:09.08 | Technomancer | before adding it to the ability-command card u gotta add it to the abilitys field above it, it has a numbered list of abilities available. if it isnt a default of the game, u gotta put it in there |
| 23:09.25 | Technomancer | then u go to command card, pick a button, and add it there |
| 23:11.34 | Razernok | :( |
| 23:11.38 | Razernok | did worked |
| 23:12.09 | Razernok | the spell cast works except i can see another player's selection |
| 23:14.31 | Technomancer | I thought that was fixed before |
| 23:14.42 | Technomancer | did the problem come back?! |
| 23:14.49 | Razernok | yea |
| 23:14.58 | jaminv_ | you don't have to cast it |
| 23:15.06 | jaminv_ | Add behavior to unit |
| 23:15.08 | jaminv_ | it's a trigger |
| 23:15.16 | Razernok | i tried to make my own so it was it own spell |
| 23:15.29 | JMan^ | a spell that creates a behavior? |
| 23:15.40 | JMan^ | cuz you really need the behavior to keep it around |
| 23:17.00 | Razernok | good thing I'm doing this in a separate map from my project map |
| 23:17.15 | Skizot | jmap |
| 23:17.32 | Skizot | jman* |
| 23:17.33 | Skizot | QUIT USING TINY PIC. |
| 23:17.33 | Skizot | get a freaking dropbox already |
| 23:17.42 | Razernok | brb |
| 23:17.45 | JMap^ | what's wrong with tinypic? |
| 23:17.57 | Skizot | the pictures NEVER load for me. |
| 23:18.03 | Skizot | http://i51.tinypic.com/25u66jb.png |
| 23:18.09 | Skizot | this has been loading since 6 am. |
| 23:18.16 | JMap^ | weird |
| 23:18.23 | Skizot | i have the title bar done. |
| 23:18.30 | Technomancer | or u can use imageshack...or photobucket....or flickr |
| 23:18.53 | JMap^ | tinypic is a subsidiary of photobucket |
| 23:18.56 | Skizot | dropbox = best |
| 23:18.57 | JMap^ | as far as i understand |
| 23:19.01 | Technomancer | w/e |
| 23:19.34 | Skizot | drop box is a svn with a public acccess folder so you can LOCALLY host files and images. |
| 23:19.42 | Skizot | you can also choose when to remove them. |
| 23:20.08 | JMap^ | i could just fire up a web server if i wanted to host them locally |
| 23:20.34 | Razernok | back |
| 23:21.12 | Skizot | blsh blsh blah |
| 23:21.34 | JMap^ | god, i don't think i like that |
| 23:21.40 | Skizot | it's not like i'm bugging you to join under me. |
| 23:21.49 | Technomancer | abilities can apply behaviors to targets, I dont see why that is giving fuckups tho |
| 23:21.49 | Skizot | :P |
| 23:21.55 | Razernok | I don't know why this isn't working :( |
| 23:22.05 | Skizot | it's just the most stable filesharing / image hosting i have seen to date. |
| 23:22.16 | JMap^ | raz: did you try the small-scale test? |
| 23:22.33 | JMap^ | applying the sentry behavior to another unit with a trigger and your unit as the caster? |
| 23:22.45 | JMap^ | just to prove the concept |
| 23:23.11 | Razernok | no |
| 23:23.13 | Skizot | what behavior? |
| 23:23.17 | Technomancer | wait why is a trigger necessary at all? cant the target of ability and everything else be handled entirely in data module |
| 23:23.28 | Technomancer | the guardianshield behavior |
| 23:23.36 | JMap^ | you still have to fire the ability with a trigger |
| 23:23.43 | JMap^ | so it sounds like extra work to me |
| 23:24.01 | Technomancer | but I dont get it. my own custom abilities work and i never had to touch the trigger module |
| 23:24.08 | JMap^ | anyways, before you do all that work, i wanted to make sure it would work in the first place |
| 23:24.21 | JMap^ | he wants the ability to trigger when they select a unit |
| 23:24.24 | JMap^ | so it's either |
| 23:24.29 | JMap^ | event - unit is selected |
| 23:24.36 | JMap^ | issue order to unit |
| 23:24.38 | JMap^ | or |
| 23:24.41 | JMap^ | add behavior to unit |
| 23:24.49 | JMap^ | option 2 requires 2 less data objects |
| 23:25.01 | Razernok | event is unit clicked |
| 23:25.07 | Technomancer | oh right!! |
| 23:25.09 | Technomancer | I understand now |
| 23:25.27 | Technomancer | so it is just about the behavior and model then |
| 23:25.37 | JMap^ | that's all we really care about |
| 23:25.37 | Razernok | i added the behavior from the shield to a unit but nothing happened |
| 23:25.43 | JMap^ | you can't see it |
| 23:25.44 | Technomancer | well and the other connected stuff |
| 23:25.44 | JMap^ | ? |
| 23:26.11 | JMap^ | what if you apply it to your own unit? |
| 23:28.08 | JMap^ | skiz: https://dl-web.dropbox.com/get/house.png?w=03331cae |
| 23:29.09 | Razernok | when i apply to a unit i don't own, i can't see it. when on my unit i can |
| 23:29.17 | JMap^ | that's bad news |
| 23:29.29 | JMap^ | it means that the actor is owned by the owner of the unit you're applying it to |
| 23:29.30 | Technomancer | thats a filter issue i'd think |
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| 23:29.58 | JMap^ | yeah, but filter only has so many options |
| 23:30.07 | JMap^ | we really need to actor to be owned by the caster |
| 23:30.17 | JMap^ | there may be some way we can do that in data tho |
| 23:30.28 | Technomancer | a trigger for when someone casts the ability, then it applies behavior |
| 23:30.32 | Technomancer | like a work-around |
| 23:30.52 | Technomancer | so the effect references the same one who caused it |
| 23:30.53 | JMap^ | the behavior and actor still need to be on the target tho |
| 23:31.03 | Technomancer | would that not be part of the trigger? |
| 23:31.51 | Razernok | :S |
| 23:32.12 | Technomancer | its basically functioning same as the ability in data, the trigger is just used to reference Caster as same variable applied to the target regards the viewing |
| 23:32.37 | JMap^ | well, the add behavior trigger allows you to specify a caster |
| 23:32.47 | JMap^ | raz: you picked your own unit as the caster, right? |
| 23:33.06 | Razernok | yea |
| 23:33.12 | Razernok | doesn't show |
| 23:33.21 | JMap^ | only on your units |
| 23:34.20 | Razernok | when i add it to my unit it works fine. on one i don't own, nada |
| 23:34.49 | JMap^ | yeah, the actor filter is using the owner of the parent unit |
| 23:34.58 | Razernok | no matter which unit its from |
| 23:35.05 | JMap^ | i'm looking to see if i can find a way to fix that |
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| 23:35.51 | JMap^ | anyone know of a way |
| 23:36.13 | JMap^ | we need to attach an actor to a unit, while the actor remains owned by the caster (for actor - filter) |
| 23:36.19 | Technomancer | lol you're more knowledgable than me |
| 23:36.43 | Technomancer | behaviors can be applied, idk bout actors |
| 23:36.46 | JMap^ | i'm polling the crowd :P |
| 23:36.57 | Technomancer | is there any precedent for this that exists in the game? |
| 23:37.01 | JMap^ | i'm curious as to who owns the behavior |
| 23:37.04 | Technomancer | like any other unit/ability/actor that can do this? |
| 23:37.05 | JMap^ | but it's hard to tell |
| 23:37.16 | JMap^ | ghost is the closest i can think of |
| 23:37.37 | JMap^ | i don't think anything else cast invisible attachments on enemy units |
| 23:37.40 | Technomancer | well its a yes/no question. does it apply an ACTOR to another or just a behavior? |
| 23:37.57 | Technomancer | if yes, then pick that apart. if no, its no help really |
| 23:39.47 | JMap^ | hmmm |
| 23:39.49 | Skizot | you need a curtained window :| |
| 23:40.10 | JMap^ | the subject of the actor is _Unit |
| 23:40.14 | JMap^ | that might be it |
| 23:40.52 | JMap^ | but i have no idea what it should be |
| 23:41.19 | Technomancer | *shrug* I wouldn't know |
| 23:41.21 | JMap^ | skiz: know what i really need? |
| 23:41.31 | JMap^ | http://media.strategywiki.org/images/b/b6/Pokemon_FRLG_PalletTown.png |
| 23:41.47 | JMap^ | those two big things in the grass |
| 23:41.54 | JMap^ | :P |
| 23:42.20 | Skizot | the flowers? |
| 23:42.26 | JMap^ | nope |
| 23:42.30 | JMap^ | the things with the roofs |
| 23:42.31 | Technomancer | mailbox is one |
| 23:42.42 | Skizot | you mean HOUSES? |
| 23:42.45 | Technomancer | lol |
| 23:42.51 | JMap^ | yeah |
| 23:42.52 | JMap^ | those |
| 23:42.53 | JMap^ | :P |
| 23:42.59 | Skizot | dork. lol |
| 23:43.14 | JMap^ | once i got all the building internals together, i realized how much my house models sucked |
| 23:43.29 | Technomancer | Skiz u do models too? |
| 23:43.57 | JMap^ | skiz is pretty damned good |
| 23:44.09 | Technomancer | ohh he did the dragoon |
| 23:44.11 | Technomancer | I remember |
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| 23:44.32 | JMap^ | he's done a ton of stuff actually |
| 23:44.45 | JMap^ | and he did the walls for my buildings |
| 23:44.55 | JMap^ | so he already has the door and window models |
| 23:45.46 | JMap^ | so if you're up to the challenge at any point :P |
| 23:45.50 | Xaragoth | skizot is also a terribly bored person |
| 23:45.54 | Xaragoth | which is why he makes so much things |
| 23:46.00 | JMap^ | heh |
| 23:46.13 | Xaragoth | I still demand to see a reaver model that does not suck btw |
| 23:46.16 | Razernok | -.- |
| 23:46.16 | JMap^ | he does actually often say that he's bored so he wants to build something |
| 23:46.33 | JMap^ | raz: this is a guess |
| 23:46.33 | Technomancer | I want to do reaver but im too busy -_- |
| 23:46.40 | JMap^ | on the actor |
| 23:46.43 | JMap^ | hosting - host+ |
| 23:46.55 | JMap^ | change subject to System - Creator ?? |
| 23:47.03 | Skizot | Xaragoth |
| 23:47.16 | Skizot | http://youtube.com/skizotenigma |
| 23:47.22 | Skizot | look at the sc2units video. |
| 23:48.08 | Razernok | nope |
| 23:48.11 | Razernok | didn't work |
| 23:48.29 | Xaragoth | is that ... a colossus head? |
| 23:49.06 | JMap^ | it looks pretty good |
| 23:49.30 | Xaragoth | do particles actually work now with the exporter? |
| 23:49.39 | Xaragoth | because hell, we could use a good bunch of spell effects |
| 23:49.41 | *** join/#sc2mapster Funkeh` (~funk@5ad4d5d3.bb.sky.com) |
| 23:49.41 | *** join/#sc2mapster Funkeh` (~funk@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Ace3/BigWigs/funkeh) |
| 23:49.43 | Xaragoth | sick of doing psi-spells o_O |
| 23:49.47 | JMap^ | raz: maybe try playing with that option? |
| 23:49.55 | JMap^ | try other things that sound like they may work? |
| 23:50.10 | JMap^ | but you might have to post the problem and see if someone else knows |
| 23:50.18 | JMap^ | there's probably a way, i just don't know of it |
| 23:50.22 | Technomancer | I think Skiz's reaver is acceptible, idk what u mean Xaragoth |
| 23:50.35 | Technomancer | I mean what should be different? |
| 23:51.20 | Skizot | yes and no Xaragoth |
| 23:51.35 | Skizot | they do work, but that version isn't released yet as it is buggy as fuck. |
| 23:51.54 | Xaragoth | Technomancer: I'm never statisfied with any level of quality, not even my own. |
| 23:51.59 | Xaragoth | As there is always something MORE SHINY |
| 23:52.03 | Xaragoth | Bad habit. |
| 23:52.12 | Skizot | same. |
| 23:52.16 | Technomancer | fine but you have to give an answer as to what u think would make it better |
| 23:52.24 | Xaragoth | We should also punch nin a bit, his exporter needs s3rious work |
| 23:52.29 | Skizot | but i didn't make the reaver so i am happy with it being the shinier. |
| 23:52.37 | Skizot | i talk to nin all the time. |
| 23:52.40 | Technomancer | who made it? |
| 23:52.46 | Xaragoth | I'd need a closer look than the current reaver to say anything about it |
| 23:52.47 | Technomancer | I'd like the model/texture if its not an issue |
| 23:52.49 | Skizot | soundsnc |
| 23:53.01 | Technomancer | hmm got a copy of it skiz?? |
| 23:53.13 | Skizot | not sure if i can give it out :/ |
| 23:53.43 | Technomancer | It wouldn't be hard to make it'd just save me a couple hours |
| 23:53.51 | Technomancer | I actually have an idea for the chassis |
| 23:54.01 | Skizot | and yeah 90% of those units are frankensteins. |
| 23:54.11 | Technomancer | heh |
| 23:54.21 | Skizot | the defiler is a queen/hydralisk combo. |
| 23:54.35 | JMap^ | of course they are |
| 23:54.48 | JMap^ | doesn't make them less awesome :P |
| 23:55.01 | Xaragoth | actually, it lowers their awesomeness. |
| 23:55.09 | Xaragoth | things from scratch are always more awesome |
| 23:55.17 | Xaragoth | but who would be stupid enough to do that |
| 23:55.19 | Xaragoth | it's too much work |
| 23:55.20 | Xaragoth | :p |
| 23:55.31 | JMap^ | ew. gif avatar |
| 23:55.43 | Xaragoth | hell, we used scrap parts from a barrel and a box and made something out of it |
| 23:56.10 | JMap^ | skiz made me some really great custom cubes from scratch :P |
| 23:56.19 | JMap^ | oh, and flat squares |
| 23:56.24 | JMap^ | amazing stuff |
| 23:56.27 | Technomancer | I made the pokeball from scratch |
| 23:56.31 | Technomancer | :P |
| 23:56.32 | JMap^ | oh yeah |
| 23:56.38 | Xaragoth | I can ban people from scratch. |
| 23:56.41 | Xaragoth | How is that for a skill? |
| 23:56.47 | Skizot | i still say a pocketbox would be better :P |
| 23:56.59 | Technomancer | Skiz how bout the dragoon? |
| 23:57.04 | Technomancer | u made that right? |
| 23:57.10 | JMap^ | shit i lost the model |
| 23:57.17 | JMap^ | i thought i download it |
| 23:57.20 | JMap^ | you still have it? |
| 23:57.20 | Technomancer | which? |
| 23:57.24 | JMap^ | pokeball |
| 23:57.27 | Technomancer | yeah i got it |
| 23:57.29 | Razernok | I'm so lost |
| 23:57.51 | Skizot | yeah. |
| 23:57.57 | Skizot | it's just an immortal. |
| 23:58.04 | Xaragoth | I knew it. |
| 23:58.13 | Skizot | i chopped the head off of and then put an opening cover on. |
| 23:58.16 | Technomancer | i know but the flap and the firing anchor would be nice |
| 23:58.24 | JMap^ | raz: share? |
| 23:58.26 | Technomancer | is it an issue to share it? |
| 23:58.31 | Technomancer | I'd owe ya lol |
| 23:58.48 | Skizot | technically they are for a "mod i cannot speak about" |
| 23:59.13 | Technomancer | so? im not askin for the map, just the model. its not really a mod-specific model, is it? |
| 23:59.29 | JMap^ | if it were an sc1 mod, kind of |
| 23:59.30 | Skizot | it has a custom animation or two |
| 23:59.41 | Razernok | no idea how this could work |
| 23:59.52 | JMap^ | i'm having trouble too raz |
