| 00:00.18 | Griffith` | how did ppl import their custom models for their maps? |
| 00:00.19 | Griffith` | do they all do it using the 3ds max -> nin's m3 export tool |
| 00:00.31 | Griffith` | like does it suffice for most modelling needs? |
| 00:02.14 | nicoli_co | yes |
| 00:02.39 | JManV{ | wtf with this captcha?: http://i53.tinypic.com/dmfvb4.jpg |
| 00:02.50 | casperb_ | no |
| 00:03.32 | JManV{ | yer damn right invalid code |
| 00:03.52 | casperb_ | Griffith`: but you won't care for another year or so |
| 00:04.13 | JManV{ | casp: this hard shadow is part of the problem: http://i52.tinypic.com/25iujax.png |
| 00:04.53 | JManV{ | the other part of the problem is when the diffuse light source goes away at night |
| 00:05.09 | casperb_ | JManV{: yeah i figured, and having everything indoors in shadow would sort-of fix it |
| 00:05.23 | casperb_ | you can add point lights for the people with non-ancient hardware |
| 00:05.27 | JManV{ | sort of, but then everything's dark |
| 00:05.37 | Lilianna | JManV{, I had one of those earlier today, but the second word was in hebrew |
| 00:05.38 | Lilianna | :x |
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| 00:05.54 | JManV{ | that word was a squiggle |
| 00:07.21 | JManV{ | he's the other part of the problem: http://i51.tinypic.com/281roy1.png |
| 00:07.28 | JManV{ | that's awful dark |
| 00:09.52 | casperb_ | hm i got nothing |
| 00:10.41 | JManV{ | it looks pretty decent with an omni and high graphics |
| 00:10.59 | JManV{ | its still affected by outdoor lights, but not as much |
| 00:12.04 | JManV{ | its almost a little much tho |
| 00:12.14 | JManV{ | like i need to have it coming from a lamp to look more natural |
| 00:13.22 | JManV{ | i may end up doing exactly what you said |
| 00:13.51 | JManV{ | maybe i'll up the ambient a little too |
| 00:14.02 | casperb_ | You can opt to only create the occluders with <x> graphics settings tho |
| 00:14.18 | JManV{ | interesting |
| 00:14.26 | JManV{ | people can go into the same building tho |
| 00:15.29 | casperb_ | JManV{: term, option |
| 00:15.30 | JManV{ | although |
| 00:15.47 | casperb_ | actors can be local tho? |
| 00:15.59 | JManV{ | with the sun moving across the sky, no matter where i put occluders, i will get shadows |
| 00:16.19 | JManV{ | at high noon the sun is directly overhead |
| 00:16.38 | JManV{ | can't really occlude that without also occluding vision |
| 00:16.58 | casperb_ | another thing to try out, alpha 0, etc |
| 00:17.22 | casperb_ | flipped normal |
| 00:17.22 | JManV{ | hmm |
| 00:17.36 | JManV{ | this isn't half bad right now |
| 00:17.41 | JManV{ | on high graphics at least |
| 00:17.55 | casperb_ | then screw low end people :p |
| 00:17.58 | JManV{ | the shadow is softened significantly by the omni |
| 00:17.58 | casperb_ | worry about it later |
| 00:18.18 | JManV{ | and there's more light during the day, which is normal |
| 00:19.23 | JManV{ | i think i' |
| 00:19.26 | JManV{ | m cool for now |
| 00:19.31 | JManV{ | i'm actually really happy |
| 00:19.39 | JManV{ | i've got dynamic buildings |
| 00:20.05 | JManV{ | and i'm using the least number of units possible to reduce aliasing |
| 00:20.20 | JManV{ | so the floor is one solid tile |
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| 00:21.49 | JManV{ | and i have an at least semi-reasonable lighting solution |
| 00:22.21 | JManV{ | so now i can have a bunch of buildings while taking up maybe the top 20-30 rows of the map |
| 00:23.15 | casperb_ | would be sweet to be able to load maps in a session :o |
| 00:23.49 | casperb_ | restricted to same account or something to keep it sane |
| 00:23.50 | JManV{ | well, helral's kind of doing that |
| 00:24.08 | casperb_ | teleporting doesn't count o.o |
| 00:24.14 | JManV{ | random generation |
| 00:24.16 | casperb_ | ah |
| 00:24.18 | casperb_ | ofc |
| 00:24.22 | casperb_ | was about to say |
| 00:24.37 | JManV{ | mine will be based on variables |
| 00:24.56 | JManV{ | still, it's a nice efficient use of space |
| 00:25.10 | JManV{ | otherwise, i wouldn't even really consider building internals |
| 00:25.21 | JManV{ | it was either this or dialogs |
| 00:25.51 | JManV{ | i'm really liking this |
| 00:29.14 | JManV{ | also, this means i can make oak's lab, which means i can hand out the starting pokemon |
| 00:29.50 | JManV{ | once i do that, i'm gonna do another demo |
| 00:40.42 | casperb_ | Mover'ish question. possible to require the unit to move in an arc to turn? |
| 00:40.53 | casperb_ | based on current vel |
| 00:41.03 | casperb_ | and without triggers :p |
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| 01:35.02 | Tordy | is there a way to loop through a point group |
| 01:35.05 | Tordy | that you defined in the terrain editor |
| 01:35.56 | Sumo- | can u save replays of custom games? |
| 01:36.17 | Tordy | yup |
| 01:36.22 | Sumo- | oh snao |
| 01:36.25 | Sumo- | srs |
| 01:41.23 | casperb_ | Even get to keep your sexy UI in the replay |
| 01:41.36 | Sumo- | if i open menus and stuff |
| 01:41.41 | Sumo- | does that get captured in the replay? |
| 01:43.32 | casperb_ | nope |
| 01:43.41 | Sumo- | fraps it is then :/ |
| 01:43.43 | casperb_ | not afaik |
| 01:43.58 | casperb_ | test it and report back :p |
| 01:45.53 | JManV{ | so i have a really good server, but a low bandwidth up. anything cool i can do with my server? |
| 01:46.22 | Stragus | Compute fractal images? :) |
| 01:46.29 | casperb_ | was going to say crawler but |
| 01:46.45 | casperb_ | actually, yeh crawler :p |
| 01:46.51 | JManV{ | crawler? |
| 01:46.54 | JManV{ | like web crawler? |
| 01:47.00 | casperb_ | yup :p |
| 01:47.06 | casperb_ | sc2 profile crawler |
| 01:47.26 | casperb_ | but nah no real good usage comes to mind |
| 01:47.42 | JManV{ | i feel like it's under utilized |
| 01:48.04 | JManV{ | i'm using it as a file server cuz it came in cheaper than a NAS system |
| 01:48.18 | JManV{ | and i'm using it as a torrent server as well |
| 01:48.34 | JManV{ | and i was thinking of having it automatically unrar torrents when they finish |
| 01:48.42 | JManV{ | but still it's way under-utilized |
| 01:48.59 | JManV{ | its a quad 2.2 with 4G RAM |
| 01:49.18 | JManV{ | and an unreadonable number of hard drives :P |
| 01:49.19 | Stragus | Photorealistic raytracing rendering? |
| 01:49.26 | JManV{ | interesting... |
| 01:49.45 | JManV{ | i could have it do that for days on end |
| 01:50.14 | Stragus | Eh exactly. I'm always running stuff on servers I get my hands on |
| 01:50.40 | Stragus | The process can have a low priority so it doesn't interfer with more crucial tasks |
| 01:51.31 | JManV{ | interesting |
| 01:51.48 | JManV{ | i don't have anything that i need done like that tho |
| 01:51.56 | JManV{ | i suppose i could find some for fun |
| 01:51.57 | casperb_ | that one machine alone can't render much tho |
| 01:52.15 | JManV{ | but it's 99.99% uptime |
| 01:52.18 | Stragus | 24 hours a day, sure |
| 01:52.22 | JManV{ | so it can run forever |
| 01:52.27 | JManV{ | well, practically |
| 01:52.51 | casperb_ | say a frame takes about 4 hours |
| 01:53.00 | casperb_ | and this is if it has priority |
| 01:53.35 | Stragus | I'm rendering a very deep zoom into the Mandelbrot set with very high adaptive sampling... A frame is taking 2 days lately ;) |
| 01:53.51 | casperb_ | I'm less mathy :p |
| 01:53.53 | Stragus | All math has to be 192 bits wide, that doesn't help much |
| 01:54.24 | casperb_ | But, i was thinking about something a while back regarding custom ladders |
| 01:54.38 | JManV{ | yeah, it doesn't particularly matter if it's 2 days or 4 days, that x days of unused processor cycles |
| 01:54.42 | casperb_ | But couldn't think of a solution i felt was secure enough |
| 01:55.26 | casperb_ | Uhm train of thought lost somewhere |
| 01:55.37 | JManV{ | although that raises an interesting point |
| 01:55.39 | casperb_ | 3 am, am just up because the freaking fire alarm keeps going off |
| 01:55.49 | casperb_ | and it's not exactly a quiet one |
| 01:55.52 | casperb_ | think car alarm, x10 |
| 01:56.00 | JManV{ | i could put a small scale web front to do processing of some sort on the server |
| 01:56.11 | JManV{ | wouldn't take much bandwidth |
| 01:56.19 | Stragus | JManV, storing the data in banks, or through some other mean? |
| 01:56.35 | JManV{ | what data? |
| 01:56.49 | Stragus | You just said you were thinking about custom ladders |
| 01:56.53 | casperb_ | i said :p |
| 01:57.23 | Stragus | Oops :p |
| 01:57.27 | casperb_ | One of the ideas was using banks, third party sending the result of a match on file change |
| 01:57.35 | JMan^ | my v is upside down :P |
| 01:57.46 | casperb_ | But 3 data sets would be needed for an entry to be considered valid |
| 01:58.00 | casperb_ | i.e players would have to mirror eachother with the same match uid |
| 01:58.18 | casperb_ | pain in the butt with that tho was leavers |
| 01:58.23 | Stragus | So players would have to run some external program to send the results to a central server |
| 01:58.29 | casperb_ | yup |
| 01:58.33 | JMan^ | i see |
| 01:58.44 | casperb_ | Alternativly, scrape sc2 profiles |
| 01:58.53 | casperb_ | for win/loss ratio, but that has very little information |
| 01:59.05 | casperb_ | and requires a bit of power |
| 01:59.17 | Stragus | Nexus Word Wars had an interesting system where global score results would spread between players at each game |
| 01:59.35 | JMan^ | viral? |
| 01:59.36 | Stragus | If you could make that resillient enough to corrupted data, it could work |
| 02:00.22 | casperb_ | Trusting users 100% feels wrong |
| 02:00.32 | casperb_ | Also huge banks |
| 02:00.45 | Stragus | You always trust the users, even with an external program sending these banks to a server |
| 02:01.17 | JMan^ | nothing secure about any of it |
| 02:01.35 | JMan^ | my goal with my game is to make leveling up more attractive than cheating |
| 02:01.48 | casperb_ | hehe |
| 02:01.58 | casperb_ | I'm adding some "persistent perks" |
| 02:02.09 | casperb_ | but you can't cheat |
| 02:02.21 | casperb_ | since it's always available, just a small choice of what is available |
| 02:02.23 | Stragus | I'm just done writing a program that obfuscates all Galaxy script data. It's not "secure", but it makes it rather painful |
| 02:02.51 | casperb_ | bug-free? :p |
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| 02:02.56 | JMan^ | bascally it's going to be really difficult to cheat, and certain stat caps and game elements will prevent cheated units from being that extraordinary in the first place |
| 02:02.57 | Stragus | Sure |
| 02:03.11 | Stragus | Works perfectly in my map anyway, 6000 lines of Galaxy script converted |
| 02:03.24 | casperb_ | meh issue with that tho is that i externalize in a mod |
| 02:03.57 | JMan^ | i do as well |
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| 02:09.18 | Stragus | By the way, here's an example of the Galaxy script obfuscation done by the program : http://www.rayforce.net/MapScript.galaxy.txt |
| 02:09.43 | casperb_ | ahh sexy |
| 02:09.50 | Stragus | Makes it quite painful to read :p, whatever alphabet you pick. I'm waiting for the asset to be approved to put it alone |
| 02:09.54 | Stragus | to put it online* |
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| 02:12.36 | casperb_ | Stragus: why 17 indicies? |
| 02:12.58 | Stragus | 17 indices? |
| 02:13.20 | Stragus | Oh. That should be 16, these variables were defined in the Galaxy trigger editor |
| 02:13.33 | Stragus | I started with triggers before switching |
| 02:13.55 | casperb_ | Still sort-of readable :p |
| 02:14.19 | casperb_ | However |
| 02:14.31 | casperb_ | Majority of "mappers" are not that clever |
| 02:14.51 | Stragus | Yes, it's readable. Still, I think it's painful enough :) |
| 02:15.33 | casperb_ | Very true, i cried :/ |
| 02:15.46 | casperb_ | :p |
| 02:16.46 | Stragus | It also goes in hand with a map data obfuscator. It works great but isn't convenient at all to use, yet |
| 02:17.12 | casperb_ | hum can't really do that tho |
| 02:17.26 | casperb_ | like what can you obfuscate in data |
| 02:17.46 | Stragus | The names of all new defined objects. Not existing objects that you modified, of course |
| 02:18.06 | casperb_ | that breaks external chains tho |
| 02:18.20 | Stragus | Example : http://www.rayforce.net/sc2convert.png |
| 02:18.26 | Stragus | External chains? |
| 02:18.43 | casperb_ | Dependency chains |
| 02:18.55 | casperb_ | Can't quite call it inheritance |
| 02:19.10 | Stragus | It fixes all references to the objects it renames, including in triggers and preplaced objects |
| 02:19.50 | Stragus | And in button tooltips, and so on |
| 02:21.55 | Stragus | Anyway, I guess that's about the best we can do really to "protect" maps |
| 02:22.03 | casperb_ | True |
| 02:22.15 | casperb_ | Locked maps don't actually do anything afaik |
| 02:23.03 | Stragus | An index file is deleted from the archive, quickly replaced. It also deletes the trigger stuff but the Galaxy code remains |
| 02:23.34 | casperb_ | so nothing :d |
| 02:24.12 | casperb_ | Just a logic check, vehicle has no comfy seats, just bare metal |
| 02:24.23 | Stragus | Nothing really, yes... So the best we can do is obfuscate everything |
| 02:24.41 | casperb_ | Like, who would outfit an open vehicle manned my marines in space suits with cushioning? |
| 02:25.41 | casperb_ | unwrapped the model yesterday, and not doing that again XD |
| 02:26.21 | Stragus | Eh, making custom models? |
| 02:26.49 | casperb_ | a few |
| 02:27.07 | casperb_ | atm, player unit and vehicles |
| 02:27.52 | Stragus | Modifying existing ones I assume? Bones and animations would require a lot of work otherwise |
| 02:28.20 | casperb_ | mesh is raynor |
| 02:28.30 | casperb_ | or was |
| 02:29.18 | casperb_ | got a bucketload of animations left to do -_- |
| 02:29.24 | casperb_ | am going to run out of space prolly |
| 02:30.21 | Stragus | Yes, that's what I was thinking... You got up to 10mb, right? |
| 02:30.54 | casperb_ | think so :o |
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| 05:46.05 | Stragus | As long as it's an Action type actor, check the Art-Missile field |
| 05:46.33 | Focke-Wulf | ok that wasn't linked right |
| 05:46.37 | Focke-Wulf | anything else before I test? |
| 05:46.44 | Stragus | That was probably it |
| 05:47.13 | Focke-Wulf | kk testing |
| 05:48.13 | Focke-Wulf | ill be blasted damned |
| 05:48.16 | Focke-Wulf | you were right |
| 05:48.24 | Focke-Wulf | any idea why that would cause all this? |
| 05:49.30 | Stragus | Because the missile wasn't linked to the actor shooting it and couldn't find attachment points, so it was coming out of the actor's origin |
| 05:49.42 | Stragus | Which is right at ground level |
| 05:49.52 | Focke-Wulf | ah ok |
| 05:50.53 | Focke-Wulf | ok well thank you :) |
| 05:51.04 | Stragus | :) You are welcome |
| 05:51.08 | Focke-Wulf | now i just gotta figure out why the shot is being tossed >.< |
| 05:51.17 | Stragus | Tossed? |
| 05:51.25 | Focke-Wulf | well this is an fps |
| 05:51.32 | Focke-Wulf | but the shots are kinda falling to the ground |
| 05:52.05 | Stragus | You are shooting at points, but the points have height 0, it's shooting at the ground? |
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| 05:52.28 | Focke-Wulf | actually no points |
| 05:52.37 | Focke-Wulf | its a 0 opacity overlord |
| 05:52.50 | Focke-Wulf | its just if an actual unit comes into the line of fire |
| 05:52.53 | Focke-Wulf | it hits that instead |
| 05:53.59 | Stragus | I could perhaps help but you would have to define a bit better what's happening to the shots |
| 05:56.09 | Focke-Wulf | ok |
| 05:57.10 | Focke-Wulf | i think its in the mover |
| 05:57.16 | Focke-Wulf | its a 2 stage thing |
| 05:57.23 | Focke-Wulf | guidance followed by throw |
| 05:57.47 | Stragus | That's quite possible, but try a safe default mover then |
| 05:58.34 | Focke-Wulf | Do you have a suggestion for a strait bullet/laser/missile path? |
| 05:59.02 | Stragus | Default Missile should be safe |
| 05:59.16 | Stragus | Missile Default, rather |
| 06:00.04 | Focke-Wulf | ok but in that do i check ignore terrain? |
| 06:00.16 | Focke-Wulf | cause otherwise its gonna do what a default missile does and not run into the ground |
| 06:02.06 | Stragus | It should go in a straight line, avoiding terrain. The idea was to check if perhaps you were actually shooting at the ground, or it's just the mover |
| 06:02.16 | Focke-Wulf | oh ok |
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| 06:10.59 | Focke-Wulf | ok part of how clan it is IS the mover |
| 06:11.15 | Focke-Wulf | the problem is the target overlord is spawning a little to far down on the z axis it looks like |
| 06:11.36 | Focke-Wulf | any way to get rid of that erratic missile behavior? |
| 06:11.46 | Focke-Wulf | such that it will just fire in a perfect strait line? |
| 06:13.14 | Stragus | A pure guidance with no throw should aim straight to the target |
| 06:13.47 | Stragus | You could look at a mover like the battlecruiser's, just guidance |
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| 06:31.19 | Focke-Wulf | hmm |
| 06:31.26 | Focke-Wulf | well you were right about the mover |
| 06:31.30 | Focke-Wulf | but also the target was too low |
| 06:31.34 | Focke-Wulf | but now i got a different issue |
| 06:31.56 | Focke-Wulf | i now know why he did the "throw" one |
| 06:32.12 | Focke-Wulf | because the target unit will only spawn pretty much right in front of the marine that is firing |
| 06:32.21 | Focke-Wulf | well it starts spawned i should say |
| 06:32.23 | Focke-Wulf | but it will move |
| 06:33.45 | Lilianna | TORNADO DOG, http://mlkshk.com/r/F49 |
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| 06:46.24 | JMan^ | if i have a doodad i want to make into a model, how do i pick just 1 variation? |
| 06:48.40 | Focke-Wulf | you go into the model link (ie to where the game has it stored |
| 06:48.47 | Focke-Wulf | then select the one you want |
| 06:48.58 | Focke-Wulf | then go down to variations, and set it to 1 |
| 06:49.01 | Focke-Wulf | otherwise it will not work |
| 06:49.12 | Focke-Wulf | IE you need to chose a specific model not a general link to a set of em |
| 06:49.40 | JMan^ | ok, thanks |
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| 07:21.36 | Razernok | grrr, how stupid, can't make custom teams with more then 2 players per team |
| 07:27.02 | Stragus | I find it rather strange that we can't give names to the teams. That was quite possible even in Starcraft 1 |
| 07:27.12 | Stragus | "Team 1", "Team 2", "Team 3" ... |
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| 08:00.47 | Razernok | Team 1 [1], Team 1 [2] but nothing after that |
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| 08:46.16 | Focke-Wulf | Hey I've got a question. Is there a validator that will allow to check the height of a unit? |
| 08:47.55 | Sumo- | whats the best program to use to make a trailer? |
| 08:48.14 | Sumo- | i have osx & win |
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| 08:52.25 | Sumo- | :/ |
| 08:52.36 | QueenGambit | hi |
| 08:52.54 | Sumo- | hi |
| 08:53.29 | onetwo | i recommend sony vegas |
| 08:53.31 | onetwo | for windows |
| 08:53.35 | QueenGambit | oh where is darkvoid, he said he'll have the triggers done by Thursday =/ |
| 08:53.43 | onetwo | i find it headache free compared to popular mac editing programs |
| 08:53.46 | onetwo | or even pc ones |
| 08:53.47 | QueenGambit | sony vegas and sony acid is good =D |
| 08:53.50 | Sumo- | cool man |
| 08:53.57 | onetwo | not cheap but not crazy |
| 08:54.01 | Sumo- | i want to make something similar to your classic tower defense one |
| 08:54.04 | Sumo- | any tips |
| 08:54.24 | onetwo | well be hard on yourself |
| 08:54.26 | onetwo | sync sound nicely |
| 08:54.39 | onetwo | use text wisely, eg dont bold it and cover it in weird colors |
| 08:54.43 | onetwo | small white text is elegant sometimes |
| 08:54.49 | onetwo | if youre new, keep it simple |
| 08:54.52 | onetwo | otherwise it looks amateur |
| 08:54.55 | Sumo- | im ultra noob |
| 08:54.58 | onetwo | even i suffer from it sometimes |
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| 08:55.05 | onetwo | put text before video |
| 08:55.08 | onetwo | so brain can digest |
| 08:55.10 | onetwo | not on top |
| 08:55.13 | onetwo | as much as possible |
| 08:56.04 | onetwo | as an example of a good trailer i like |
| 08:56.05 | onetwo | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWFoi9pWuQY |
| 08:56.10 | onetwo | look at the text in between shots |
| 08:56.13 | onetwo | very simple |
| 08:56.17 | onetwo | ignoring the background graphics etc |
| 08:56.23 | onetwo | small, nice color coordination |
| 08:57.05 | onetwo | and make sure you write out your goals/plan |
| 08:57.14 | onetwo | try to do as little as possible on the spot |
| 08:57.50 | Sumo- | lol this trailer is intense |
| 08:58.15 | onetwo | lol |
| 08:58.29 | onetwo | my trailers are a lot slower |
| 08:58.32 | onetwo | cause i dont have enough content to fill |
| 08:58.37 | Sumo- | yours are more funny too |
| 08:58.52 | onetwo | i try to use comedy in some trailers that can come off too epic cause of music |
| 08:58.57 | onetwo | but my shitty one person production quality |
| 08:58.58 | Sumo- | heh |
| 08:59.00 | onetwo | so the comedy balances that |
| 08:59.14 | onetwo | otherwise people would be like 'okay youre good we get it' |
| 08:59.32 | onetwo | but thats my opinion |
| 08:59.39 | onetwo | at this point keep it simple just present the facts |
| 08:59.42 | onetwo | with some footage to back up your points |
| 08:59.51 | onetwo | eg "INTENSE GAMEPLAY..." then show footage of it |
| 08:59.53 | onetwo | after the text |
| 09:00.07 | onetwo | OH and another key thing ive found is dont try to present everything |
| 09:00.18 | onetwo | i left out a lot on tower defense trailer |
| 09:00.21 | onetwo | of his features |
| 09:00.31 | onetwo | cause it wouldnt fit well to footage or just too much text |
| 09:00.31 | onetwo | etc |
| 09:00.52 | Sumo- | these are good |
| 09:01.12 | onetwo | and GL :D |
| 09:01.16 | onetwo | i look forward to your stuff |
| 09:01.29 | Sumo- | LOL |
| 09:01.55 | Sumo- | i dunno how u did half the stuff in your video, but i'll be well chuffed if i can accomplish similar |
| 09:02.26 | Sumo- | did u do surgery on his map in order to do some the effects |
| 09:02.29 | Sumo- | or was it all after effects |
| 09:04.23 | Sumo- | brb |
| 09:06.49 | Technomancer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:07.33 | Technomancer | I created a yamato gun copy, and changed the impact model from the yamato one to the ghost nuke, problem is, the impact model starts at the same time as the projectile being launched, so... I dont remember what to do to change the timing |
| 09:07.52 | Stragus | It's not a question of timing, something isn't linked right |
| 09:07.59 | Technomancer | well right |
| 09:08.03 | Technomancer | but I mean thats the end result |
| 09:08.07 | Technomancer | at least how it appears |
| 09:08.29 | Technomancer | I actually fixed it once before but my HD sorta fucked up and had to get it replaced, lost a month's work ;_; |
| 09:08.36 | Stragus | Check the "Art - Missile" of your yamato cannon attack, make sure it's connected to the right launch and impact effects |
| 09:09.03 | Technomancer | I think it is |
| 09:09.04 | Stragus | Also make sure the Ammo Unit is correct for your yamato launch effect |
| 09:09.06 | Technomancer | but i can check now |
| 09:09.14 | Stragus | Well, something is wrong somewhere |
| 09:09.25 | Technomancer | I only changed the impact tho |
| 09:10.06 | Technomancer | BattlecruiserYamatoAttack2Missile |
| 09:10.17 | Technomancer | considering its a copy, it should be accurate |
| 09:11.00 | Stragus | Did you copy the whole yamato set of effects/actors/unit? |
| 09:11.04 | Stragus | It's pretty much all inter-linked |
| 09:11.19 | Stragus | And when copying stuff, very often some links aren't set right and must be manually fixed |
| 09:11.39 | Technomancer | I copied all the actors |
| 09:11.41 | Stragus | So... you should check the points I mentionned above |
| 09:11.51 | Technomancer | and effects |
| 09:13.28 | Technomancer | well I dont have a copy of the art-missile actor, it references from custom but its nonexistent |
| 09:14.37 | Stragus | You definitely need to copy everything and repair the links if you want a copy of the yamato cannon |
| 09:14.42 | Stragus | You can't just copy half of it |
| 09:14.54 | Technomancer | ok well i created a copy of the actor now |
| 09:15.13 | onetwo | Sumo- the colorization was in vegas |
| 09:15.17 | onetwo | including Black and white |
| 09:15.42 | onetwo | just think through your plan ahead |
| 09:16.37 | Technomancer | IT WORKS! |
| 09:16.59 | Technomancer | It seems a tiny bit delayed on the opposite end now; taking too long to explode from impact, but thats far preferable |
| 09:17.04 | Technomancer | Thanks Stragus |
| 09:18.22 | Stragus | Sure, you are welcome :). It really shouldn't be delayed though, perhaps it's not impacting the edge of the unit but the center point? |
| 09:19.26 | Technomancer | haha right again |
| 09:19.29 | Technomancer | at least this is how it appears |
| 09:19.51 | Technomancer | but the dropdown is confusing me, it has center and a buncha different units/planets/doodads, which field is it? |
| 09:20.04 | Stragus | Check your launch effect, the impact location is target unit, not target point? |
| 09:20.22 | Stragus | Or the actor's impact attachment queries |
| 09:24.10 | Technomancer | impact attachment is what im looking at |
| 09:24.24 | Technomancer | it says Fallback: Center. Methods: AMArcTestWeapon, AMVolumesTargets, |
| 09:24.32 | Technomancer | AMVolumesWeightedPick |
| 09:25.54 | Stragus | Check the impact attachment query, not the damage attachment |
| 09:27.56 | Stragus | It probably would be best if you were to compare all the original objects and your copies. You can select both at the same time and compare the columns |
| 09:30.08 | Technomancer | This is in the Battlecruiser Yamato Attack actor |
| 09:30.10 | Technomancer | is that wrong? |
| 09:30.35 | Technomancer | aside from that is a charge model, charge sound, and yamatorange actor |
| 09:31.43 | Technomancer | ohhh |
| 09:31.53 | Technomancer | the Target-Impact map is different |
| 09:33.03 | Technomancer | well |
| 09:33.11 | Technomancer | not so much the issue, as it was the impact attachment |
| 09:33.17 | Technomancer | the original just had origin: center |
| 09:33.20 | Technomancer | so thats what im goin with |
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| 09:37.17 | Rodrigo | 3 Debates admins talking to Husky in a live game, with 40,000 viewers.... |
| 09:37.22 | Rodrigo | and they don't mention Debates |
| 09:37.32 | Rodrigo | I should ban that |
| 09:37.46 | Rodrigo | I should ban them* |
| 09:41.31 | Technomancer | Trying to rotate and displace the position of a charge model, I know its done through the site ops actors, but how do I attach the actors, again? |
| 09:52.13 | Technomancer | no? |
| 10:03.20 | QueenGambit | hi |
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| 15:53.57 | Dryeyece | Hi everyone |
| 15:54.32 | Dryeyece | anyone know how to set the default map for testing a mod? I have tried everything I can think of but I cant make it work |
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| 16:09.29 | Hati | Dryeyece: don't think there's smth like that only way i know is applying the mod to a map and then simply test it |
| 16:11.02 | Dryeyece | well if you are in a mod and you go to File>Preferences>Test Document that whole thing is about setting a default map to launch when testing the mod |
| 16:11.06 | Dryeyece | but I cant make it work |
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| 18:36.37 | Razernok | grrrrr, <Visible val="false"/> won't work in menu bar |
| 18:49.02 | Razernok | damn, can't use sc2layouts to hide the menu bar |
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| 18:56.57 | Razernok | anyone know how to prevent ESC from opening the game menu? |
| 18:57.36 | Stragus | I don't think you are supposed to get the players stuck in your map |
| 18:57.46 | Razernok | I'm not |
| 18:57.56 | Razernok | i need the ESC key |
| 18:58.11 | Razernok | but it opens the menu |
| 19:10.20 | Sumo- | i doubt u can do that |
| 19:10.34 | Sumo- | if u hid the ui and disabled the esc key, the player would be locked in |
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| 19:40.23 | Razernok | grrr, can't seem to keep the chat bar on the screen and anchor it to the bottom left. |
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| 19:47.01 | RyanWin | hai |
| 19:51.18 | Razernok | hey |
| 19:54.31 | Sumo- | yo |
| 19:56.27 | Hati | hi |
| 19:58.31 | Sumo- | man my map is doing alright |
| 19:58.38 | Sumo- | 147hrs played and not even 24hrs has passed |
| 20:02.35 | RyanWin | grats sumo- ^_^ |
| 20:03.04 | Sumo- | need to overtake vexal :P |
| 20:06.28 | RyanWin | Hey does anyone know how critical hits and accuracy is handled in a weapon? |
| 20:06.38 | Sumo- | i have crits |
| 20:06.40 | Stragus | Nice. By the way, how do you get maps initially known? They start by sitting on the 10th page, where no one ever looks |
| 20:06.42 | RyanWin | I heard bliz made a field for it or something |
| 20:06.43 | Sumo- | i handle it all in triggers |
| 20:06.59 | Sumo- | i just published and let the users do the work |
| 20:07.03 | Sumo- | for eg, mine is a TD |
| 20:07.09 | RyanWin | how is it done? |
| 20:07.11 | Sumo- | i suppose users occasionally look for TD's |
| 20:07.39 | Sumo- | RyanWin: trigger, on unit takes damage |
| 20:07.49 | Sumo- | it has to be unit takes damage and not unit deals damage |
| 20:08.01 | Stragus | I think I would rather do it in effects |
| 20:08.01 | Sumo- | since the damage amount is not correct on the dealing |
| 20:08.11 | Stragus | Create an effect which has only a certain probability of occuring, add damage |
| 20:08.17 | Sumo- | ah k.. i couldnt figure out a clean way |
| 20:08.31 | Sumo- | i wanted to show the crit in red battle text u c |
| 20:08.40 | Stragus | Ah, that changes things, yes |
| 20:09.10 | Sumo- | with data, im not sure |
| 20:09.18 | RyanWin | yeah I need something like that sumo |
| 20:09.21 | Sumo- | i like it wc3 style |
| 20:09.27 | RyanWin | same |
| 20:09.34 | Sumo- | cause i have aura towers |
| 20:09.47 | Sumo- | i must calculate the crit/hit after all bonuses |
| 20:09.59 | Sumo- | which complicated things |
| 20:11.08 | Sumo- | like this i did it |
| 20:11.08 | Sumo- | http://paste.sc2mapster.com/3230/ |
| 20:12.23 | Sumo- | i have a few crit type things that happen |
| 20:12.33 | Sumo- | so it can get more complex and it handled alright |
| 20:13.05 | Sumo- | the problem with it as a trigger tho is, it will lag the crap out of any debugging |
| 20:13.39 | RyanWin | hmmm |
| 20:13.41 | Stragus | Or if your trigger is firing 5000 times per second, in large battles |
| 20:13.59 | Sumo- | indeed...... |
| 20:14.00 | Sumo- | so sad. |
| 20:16.31 | Stragus | It's really preferable to implement that stuff in effects... The only issue is that you won't get a text pop-up |
| 20:16.46 | Sumo- | the text is a big deal for me |
| 20:16.46 | Sumo- | heh |
| 20:17.01 | Stragus | You could create an actor when the effect fires, with a custom model of floating text |
| 20:17.10 | Sumo- | but how to set the number |
| 20:17.16 | Stragus | Ouch :). Okay |
| 20:17.36 | Sumo- | heh |
| 20:17.40 | Sumo- | ar well |
| 20:17.46 | Sumo- | have to trust that it wont lag |
| 20:18.07 | Sumo- | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:18.21 | Sumo- | lag is part of the fun with td's >_< |
| 20:18.27 | Stragus | Just keep the amount of calls to that trigger rather low |
| 20:18.43 | Sumo- | yeh i tried to limit the conditions a bit |
| 20:18.47 | Sumo- | so it bails out quickly |
| 20:18.58 | Sumo- | only so much can do |
| 20:19.16 | Sumo- | i better have a sleep, nite |
| 20:24.33 | Motive | Does anyone know how you change the Fog of War? I'm aware of the places where you can actually modify FoW in the data editor. But where do I say for example, use this Fog of War when you have no sight of the area (units in range). |
| 20:49.21 | Razernok | anyone know how to hide the info panel stuff with sc2layouts? |
| 20:50.18 | Razernok | i tried <Visible val="false"/> its not working |
| 20:54.34 | Hati | wikipedia is kinda slow today :/ |
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| 22:09.33 | Helral | Razernok: you still trying to hide the info panel? |
| 22:10.48 | casperb_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:12.24 | Helral | yup use show/hide UI frame trigger if you just want to hide it. way simpler ;p |
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| 22:16.16 | Stragus | When it says a project is flagged "experimental", and the status of any file is "Waiting on project", does it mean the project has to come out of experimental status for the file to be available? |
| 22:17.36 | Stragus | The first command-line version of the galaxy script obfuscation tool is ready, but I don't even know if anyone can access it |
| 22:17.43 | Helral | Stragus: no idea which project has that? |
| 22:18.11 | casperb_ | Stragus: link and i can confirm if it's available or not :p |
| 22:18.16 | Stragus | Mine. A program line program to turn Galaxy script into something like that : http://www.rayforce.net/MapScript.galaxy.txt |
| 22:18.24 | Stragus | http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/map-obfuscation/files/ |
| 22:18.44 | casperb_ | Not available |
| 22:18.59 | Helral | hmmm I don't see any files yet. |
| 22:19.01 | Stragus | Right, so it has to come out of experimental status first |
| 22:19.19 | Helral | btw my project is expermintal and ppl can download it. |
| 22:19.47 | Stragus | Oh? Interesting, I'm not sure how this all works |
| 22:20.45 | Stragus | It might be best to wait for a graphical interface anyway, it's command-line but fully functional |
| 22:21.06 | Helral | hehehe |
| 22:21.42 | casperb_ | nah keep it command line :p |
| 22:22.45 | Stragus | That's fine with me :), it isn't that complicated to write/edit a .bat file really |
| 22:23.10 | Deaod | allow for better charsets |
| 22:23.15 | Deaod | ie. larger ones |
| 22:23.21 | casperb_ | easier to integrate into a compile script aswell |
| 22:23.26 | Stragus | You can pick the alphabet, Deaod |
| 22:23.57 | Deaod | oh, neat |
| 22:24.13 | Stragus | Exactly casperb. A script that obfuscates code, then data, then remove all unecessary files, etc. |
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| 22:28.16 | Stragus | I have no idea why files wouldn't be available. Anyway, I'll put it somewhere else if anyone wants to test it |
| 22:28.33 | Stragus | And it comes with C99 source code released under the GPL license, in case anyone fears a virus or whatever |
| 22:32.10 | casperb_ | Not sure how the mapster projects work |
| 22:32.53 | casperb_ | Stragus: is everything in one exec or split up? |
| 22:33.39 | Stragus | Just one exec. Other files are license, source code, etc. |
| 22:33.59 | Stragus | The GUI would be independant though, calling the command-line executable in the background |
| 22:38.07 | Hati | Stragus: if it is an exec you have to poke a mod (one with mod status) or admin to approve it |
| 22:39.32 | Stragus | Ah right, the explains it. |
| 22:40.37 | Hati | i think Xaragoth could be here |
| 22:41.11 | Hati | ~seen Xaragoth |
| 22:41.18 | purl | xaragoth is currently on #sc2mapster (12h 31m 26s), last said: 'what the hell did I think when writing that'. |
| 22:41.57 | casperb_ | good question o.o |
| 22:42.27 | Hati | hmm guessing hes just idling |
| 22:43.04 | Stragus | No big deal, thanks. It might be best to have a GUI first for most people anyway |
| 22:45.14 | Hati | c++ or c# ? |
| 22:46.06 | Stragus | Neither, C99 |
| 22:46.11 | casperb_ | old school |
| 22:46.14 | casperb_ | :p |
| 22:46.33 | Stragus | What! :) C is a great language, I far prefer it to C++ |
| 22:46.49 | casperb_ | depends on the project imo |
| 22:46.55 | casperb_ | best tool for the job |
| 22:47.14 | Stragus | Good point. For the stuff I do, C is far more appropriate than C++ |
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| 22:59.23 | casperb_ | ~seen mykeys |
| 22:59.27 | purl | casperb_: i haven't seen 'mykeys' |
| 22:59.41 | casperb_ | useless bot :S |
| 22:59.44 | Helral | meow |
| 23:00.01 | Helral | ~seen hiskeys |
| 23:00.02 | purl | Helral: i haven't seen 'hiskeys' |
| 23:00.11 | Helral | :P |
| 23:01.07 | Helral | casperb_: has |
| 23:01.12 | Helral | purl seen yourkeys |
| 23:01.13 | purl | Helral: i haven't seen 'yourkeys' |
| 23:01.33 | Helral | purl, not my keys capserskeys |
| 23:05.55 | casperb_ | hmph how troublesome :o |
| 23:06.04 | casperb_ | always in my jacket, but appearantly not today |
| 23:07.23 | Sehkmet | hey casperv_ you keep the "_" |
| 23:07.52 | Sehkmet | look at JManB, he understood that "-" is better |
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| 23:12.12 | casperb_ | JMan is just selling out |
| 23:12.21 | casperb_ | _ is and will always be #1 |
| 23:12.48 | Helral | swpies at the _ |
| 23:13.46 | casperb_ | waddaya think http://imgur.com/XsYLn |
| 23:14.28 | Dekar | omg |
| 23:14.31 | Dekar | my sc2 account |
| 23:14.32 | Dekar | was locked |
| 23:14.34 | Dekar | -_- |
| 23:14.40 | Dekar | is locked |
| 23:14.48 | Helral | you lost the key to unlock it? |
| 23:14.49 | casperb_ | trolled to much? :p |
| 23:14.50 | Dekar | because of a change in login patterns |
| 23:15.05 | Dekar | because i tried to login TWICE IN A MONTH? |
| 23:15.10 | Dekar | instead of once every two month |
| 23:15.22 | Dekar | probably |
| 23:15.36 | Helral | lol |
| 23:15.48 | Dekar | this accout has been locked |
| 23:15.49 | Dekar | yey |
| 23:16.41 | Dekar | an email has been dispatched |
| 23:16.42 | Dekar | NOT |
| 23:18.17 | Sehkmet | for being blizzard custom map competition? |
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| 23:22.35 | Stragus | Dekar, can a change in login patterns really lock an account? I doubt it |
| 23:22.44 | Dekar | it can |
| 23:22.52 | Dekar | my sister moved out to a city 50 km away |
| 23:23.01 | Dekar | and i often played wow on her account |
| 23:23.04 | Dekar | when she was still at work |
| 23:23.10 | Dekar | then i stopped palying |
| 23:23.13 | Dekar | for some months |
| 23:23.19 | Dekar | the new bnet accounts were introduced |
| 23:23.27 | Dekar | then i wanted to look at pala changes ingame |
| 23:23.30 | Dekar | and instantlock |
| 23:23.35 | Dekar | ... |
| 23:23.40 | Stragus | Perhaps you tried to log in both at the same time? |
| 23:24.42 | Stragus | I really don't think they monitor login patterns, I played from 5 different countries in the last 4 months |
| 23:25.45 | Dekar | well i unlocked my account over the website now |
| 23:27.31 | Dekar | will write them a mail and ask why it got locked |
| 23:27.44 | Stragus | Although I remember long ago they didn't want to accept the payment to buy the game because the IP was on a different country than the credit cards. Geez |
| 23:28.01 | Stragus | was from* a different country |
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| 23:42.03 | casperb_ | any of you play lol? :p |
| 23:53.02 | Sehkmet | hey casperb |
| 23:57.28 | Motive | Anyone on EU willing to help me test a map? |
| 23:57.34 | Motive | Motive 352 |
| 23:57.36 | Motive | Send me a message in-game |
| 23:59.33 | Sehkmet | motive |
| 23:59.34 | Sehkmet | 'r u there? |
| 23:59.48 | Motive | yes |
