| 00:05.35 | allenmelon | o.o |
| 00:05.47 | allenmelon | it says Skizot has sent me a message... |
| 00:06.04 | Sumo- | troll |
| 00:09.50 | JManV | http://i54.tinypic.com/hra80m.jpg |
| 00:10.19 | Sumo- | too hardcore |
| 00:10.39 | JManV | its now possible to catch pokemon and use them in battle |
| 00:11.03 | JManV | i've got a few more things i want to do, then i'm gonna do another demo |
| 00:15.17 | JManV | http://i54.tinypic.com/504hkx.jpg |
| 00:15.27 | JManV | couldn't resist :P |
| 00:15.54 | JManV | Probichu v Probichu... who will lose 20 hp first? |
| 00:16.20 | Skizot | the bush looks hideous. |
| 00:16.40 | JManV | you don't like it? |
| 00:16.54 | Skizot | it doesn't look like grass |
| 00:17.31 | casperb | It's not grass, it's probigrass o.o |
| 00:17.37 | JManV | it looks really good on the main map |
| 00:17.45 | Skizot | main map maybe |
| 00:17.51 | Skizot | fightscenes.. not so much. |
| 00:17.52 | JManV | but i never much cared for it on the combat scenes, where its all zoomed in |
| 00:18.15 | Skizot | does the view stay the same? |
| 00:18.19 | Skizot | no rotation etc? |
| 00:18.21 | JManV | but the combat scene needs to look similar to main map, and i haven't been able to get that effect any other way |
| 00:18.44 | JManV | camera is brought down and in |
| 00:18.45 | Skizot | gras is grass man. |
| 00:19.08 | JManV | but those bushes look just like tall grass in pokemon games |
| 00:19.16 | JManV | like - dead on |
| 00:19.16 | Skizot | on the main map maybe. |
| 00:19.18 | Skizot | XD |
| 00:19.30 | Skizot | the fight scene is jus ta colored background :P |
| 00:19.33 | JManV | yeah, in normal pokemon they show grass in the combat scenes |
| 00:19.46 | JManV | theres usually grass in the background |
| 00:20.03 | JManV | but i tried with foilage, or just with a pained texture |
| 00:20.08 | JManV | neither look right |
| 00:21.04 | Skizot | i'll make you up a GOOD grass texture |
| 00:21.16 | Skizot | as long as it STAYS that angle it will look good. |
| 00:22.53 | casperb | http://i.imgur.com/ANIL8.jpg |
| 00:22.56 | casperb | speaking of images, just because i feel like it :P |
| 00:23.32 | JManV | http://i52.tinypic.com/2mfhwtz.jpg |
| 00:23.37 | JManV | that's with no grass |
| 00:23.45 | JManV | will foliage it looks way crowded |
| 00:24.49 | casperb | JV, can't you change the camera orientation a little? would look better at a more traditional FF angle i think |
| 00:25.00 | casperb | lower angle of attack and wider frame |
| 00:25.04 | JManV | i can change the angle to whatever |
| 00:25.15 | JManV | http://i55.tinypic.com/5mep9g.jpg |
| 00:25.20 | JManV | that looks hideous imo |
| 00:25.35 | JManV | what do you think i should do with the cam? |
| 00:25.49 | JManV | down and in more? |
| 00:25.53 | casperb | out |
| 00:25.55 | casperb | wider shot |
| 00:25.57 | JManV | down and out? |
| 00:26.01 | casperb | yeah |
| 00:26.16 | JManV | ill give it a shot |
| 00:26.42 | casperb | lemme see if i can find an example shot, my tablet is at school so not gonna bother with an illustration :p |
| 00:29.09 | JManV | http://i56.tinypic.com/2hn9j5k.jpg |
| 00:29.11 | JManV | ? |
| 00:29.31 | casperb | Better already IMO |
| 00:29.42 | JManV | well, theres a few problems |
| 00:29.51 | JManV | one is that you can see that map through those trees |
| 00:30.07 | JManV | two is that this requires a much larger reserved area for fighting |
| 00:30.43 | casperb | Thats like what, 10x10? |
| 00:30.48 | JManV | also, i was going for the pokemon-style fight, where the pokemon themselves are the centerpeice of the combat, and they are kind of kitty-corner at the corners of the screen |
| 00:30.58 | JManV | larger |
| 00:31.09 | JManV | i need a clear area behind as weel |
| 00:31.31 | JManV | so it's like 10x15 |
| 00:31.42 | JManV | the old area was like 8x10 |
| 00:32.07 | JManV | it's per-player, so it adds up quick |
| 00:32.23 | JManV | no saying i'm totally against it |
| 00:32.26 | JManV | i like the angle |
| 00:32.39 | JManV | i do kind of what it a little tighter, myself |
| 00:32.45 | casperb | ah if its per player i can see the issue |
| 00:33.01 | JManV | yeah, i can't have them fight in the same place |
| 00:33.14 | JManV | i won't have more than 8 player, most likely 4 or 6 |
| 00:33.21 | casperb | but don't they fight each other or whatever? |
| 00:33.25 | JManV | haven't decided yet, depends on space constraintes |
| 00:33.33 | JManV | sure |
| 00:33.50 | JManV | but as many players there are, that's how many fights *can* happen concurrently |
| 00:33.58 | JManV | not necessarily will |
| 00:33.59 | JManV | but can |
| 00:34.41 | JManV | in the tournament map it won't matter, but i won't have a map to contend with either |
| 00:35.23 | casperb | Well my initial thought is to make the arena's outwards |
| 00:35.35 | casperb | i.e on the edge towards the skybox |
| 00:35.44 | casperb | doodads and whatnot can be placed mid air :p |
| 00:36.04 | casperb | foreground, mid, and background |
| 00:36.09 | casperb | on a budget |
| 00:36.18 | JManV | i can worry less about what's behind it that way |
| 00:36.50 | casperb | could even go for some stylized mattes |
| 00:36.57 | RyanWin | Where would I go to edit the height of a scanner sweep? |
| 00:37.08 | RyanWin | the height of the actual model |
| 00:37.18 | RyanWin | or actor |
| 00:37.40 | JManV | http://i55.tinypic.com/6sdzcx.jpg |
| 00:37.48 | JManV | that in a little bit more |
| 00:37.59 | JManV | i'd need a better vision blocker in the background |
| 00:38.11 | Lilianna | Warning, Panda! |
| 00:38.16 | JManV | that's why i've avoided going that low in the past |
| 00:38.17 | JManV | hehe |
| 00:38.20 | JManV | indeed |
| 00:38.35 | JManV | i like those signs |
| 00:38.42 | casperb | if it's set by the actor i guess it would be either a, SOp, b, height field somewhere |
| 00:38.45 | JManV | but you're not supposed to be able to see it |
| 00:39.52 | Lilianna | If the height is defualted by the model, you could always use a SOp to move it |
| 00:39.59 | RyanWin | changing the SOp will probably do it |
| 00:40.42 | casperb | SetHeight is done somewhere in the base actor template iirc |
| 00:40.50 | casperb | or it's implicit |
| 00:42.05 | casperb | Actally not sure but yeah SOp is a decent hotfix :P |
| 00:42.20 | RyanWin | whats a nice standard SOp to set it to |
| 00:42.26 | RyanWin | to get it on or near the ground |
| 00:42.56 | casperb | origin |
| 00:42.57 | casperb | i guess |
| 00:43.22 | casperb | i was thinking a z offset op tho |
| 00:43.43 | JManV | what are those block-like models people are using for walls? |
| 00:43.55 | casperb | cubes? :P |
| 00:44.04 | casperb | XD |
| 00:44.20 | JManV | i don't think so |
| 00:44.40 | casperb | Example, Heral's crawler |
| 00:44.43 | JManV | yeah |
| 00:44.47 | JManV | those are cubes? |
| 00:44.57 | casperb | yup |
| 00:45.00 | casperb | think so atleast |
| 00:45.04 | casperb | ShapeCube |
| 00:45.16 | JManV | but that's like... pink |
| 00:45.25 | casperb | tint color? |
| 00:45.25 | JManV | and transparent |
| 00:45.33 | RyanWin | grrr its not changing it when i change the site op |
| 00:45.33 | casperb | not transparent |
| 00:45.35 | casperb | just emissive |
| 00:45.36 | RyanWin | still way up in the air |
| 00:46.43 | JManV | how do i make it not emissive? |
| 00:47.11 | casperb | Good question :p |
| 00:47.31 | RyanWin | so whats another way to change the height cause site op not working |
| 00:47.48 | casperb | SetHeight |
| 00:48.11 | casperb | something like Create -> SetHeight 0 |
| 00:48.31 | RoarMan | Hmm |
| 00:48.44 | RyanWin | where is that at? |
| 00:48.51 | RyanWin | oh |
| 00:48.55 | RyanWin | in actor creation? |
| 00:49.18 | casperb | setup an event response and set the height there |
| 00:49.28 | casperb | create being the event |
| 00:49.40 | casperb | JManV: glow off? |
| 00:49.47 | casperb | there's glow off and halo off |
| 00:49.53 | JManV | actor? |
| 00:50.01 | RyanWin | gotchya |
| 00:50.21 | casperb | JManV: yeah |
| 00:50.36 | JManV | doesn't look like |
| 00:50.53 | JManV | nope |
| 00:51.34 | JManV | yeah it looks really weird |
| 00:52.23 | RyanWin | ok wtf |
| 00:52.38 | RyanWin | actor creation > set height -2.0 not doing a damn thing |
| 00:52.44 | RyanWin | wtf |
| 00:52.55 | casperb | I'm failing today :D |
| 00:53.00 | RyanWin | me too |
| 00:53.13 | JManV | i don't think those are cubes |
| 00:53.17 | JManV | those have a texture |
| 00:54.16 | casperb | ~seen Helral |
| 00:54.21 | purl | helral <~BenZegvel@217-19-26-88.dsl.cambrium.nl> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 1h 47m 2s ago, saying: ':P'. |
| 00:54.22 | casperb | noo puuuurl! |
| 00:54.24 | casperb | ah |
| 00:54.25 | casperb | phew |
| 00:54.27 | casperb | got scared tehre |
| 00:54.40 | casperb | thought purl went missing again o.o |
| 00:54.59 | JManV | dungeon keeper and a1's survival map used the same walls |
| 00:56.36 | RoarMan | Oi can someone halp me out with some data problems :/ |
| 00:56.46 | JManV | it's likely |
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| 00:57.22 | RyanWin | I would if I knew anything about stupid data |
| 00:57.23 | RoarMan | What is |
| 00:57.31 | RoarMan | Gah the data editor is such a pain |
| 00:57.59 | RoarMan | Nvm |
| 00:58.01 | RoarMan | I think I figured it out lol |
| 00:58.52 | JManV | glad we could help :P |
| 00:59.20 | casperb | any idea what modify unit -> mimic is supposed to do btw? |
| 00:59.47 | JManV | no but i'm curious |
| 01:00.22 | JManV | what are you talking about? |
| 01:01.05 | RoarMan | Lol thanks Jmanv |
| 01:01.17 | RoarMan | casperb you should test it out O.o |
| 01:01.44 | casperb | If you pop open a modify unit effect you'll see some bitflags under modification flags |
| 01:02.23 | RoarMan | Hmm |
| 01:02.28 | casperb | RoarMan: have, in beta and a few days ago but did nothing really obvious as far as i could tell |
| 01:02.29 | RoarMan | What's nullify missile? |
| 01:02.46 | RoarMan | Maybe it's for hallucination? |
| 01:02.49 | casperb | i'm guessing, nullify missile :p |
| 01:02.50 | RoarMan | Or an earlier version |
| 01:02.55 | RoarMan | Lol that's a good guess |
| 01:03.02 | RoarMan | But then again this is the starcraft 2 editor :P |
| 01:03.10 | RoarMan | And it's data O.o |
| 01:03.14 | casperb | like the missile will still impact but nothing will happend |
| 01:03.21 | RoarMan | Oh that's quite neat |
| 01:03.30 | casperb | or |
| 01:03.37 | casperb | when i think about it |
| 01:03.41 | casperb | that raven ability |
| 01:03.45 | casperb | point defence drone |
| 01:04.06 | casperb | might be that |
| 01:04.07 | RoarMan | Ah |
| 01:05.54 | casperb | nope not that :o |
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| 02:35.30 | prodiG | http://i.imgur.com/VjR4a.jpg anyone know how to hide these names? |
| 02:35.39 | prodiG | they show up when i export map image and ruin the pic :P |
| 02:35.52 | prodiG | (this is in game view not editor view btw) |
| 02:36.51 | Skizot | turn off points. |
| 02:37.35 | prodiG | i've got them off, they still show |
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| 02:39.58 | Shadowsong | :( no onetwo |
| 02:40.22 | prodiG | no ideas? t.t. |
| 02:40.50 | Shadowsong | i wish onetwo had made a downloadable map for this tutorial http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GE0s2d7zXTc |
| 02:47.04 | Shawn|Rawr | Whats wrong with recreating it? |
| 02:47.50 | Shadowsong | I hate video tutorials |
| 02:48.43 | RoarMan | I agree shadowsong |
| 02:48.55 | RoarMan | Video tutorials just slow things down so much |
| 02:50.31 | Shadowsong | sadly that onetwo tutorial is only video, no map with it |
| 02:50.50 | JManV | the jump points are pretty helpful |
| 02:50.55 | Shawn|Rawr | Then make the map yourself? |
| 02:50.59 | JManV | i was able to find exactly what i was looking for |
| 02:51.16 | Shadowsong | the tutorial is 4 videos long |
| 02:51.29 | Shadowsong | it has no jump points |
| 02:51.38 | JManV | oh, must be an older one |
| 02:51.49 | Shawn|Rawr | Yes, from beta |
| 02:52.24 | Shawn|Rawr | His newest tut deals with the 3rd person camera thing |
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| 02:52.43 | Shawn|Rawr | Though I don't know if that is the part you were after |
| 02:53.24 | Shadowsong | Shawn|Rawr: its not a camera or movement system, all it is is a skybox and fog tutorial |
| 02:53.48 | Shawn|Rawr | He shows howto setup the camera |
| 02:54.03 | Shawn|Rawr | I watched that part lol |
| 02:54.45 | Shawn|Rawr | Besides, skybox and fog are the same thing |
| 02:55.30 | Shadowsong | that camera is just rotating, won't work with my movement system |
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| 03:33.48 | onetwo | hi |
| 03:38.43 | Hedus | hi |
| 03:39.12 | Shadowsong | there he is |
| 03:39.34 | onetwo | getting emptier in here |
| 03:39.38 | onetwo | cant even scroll on the list anymore |
| 03:57.26 | allenmelon | o.o |
| 03:59.59 | JManV | how can i do an inline picture in the forum? |
| 04:01.11 | JManV | nevermind. i'm dumb |
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| 04:04.32 | onetwo | how do we do it? |
| 04:04.43 | Shawn|Rawr | Magic |
| 04:06.34 | progammer | holy smoking this movie is awesome http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svOlz2ei4Yk&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL |
| 04:09.54 | onetwo | LOL bollywood always go nuts with crazy special effects |
| 04:09.58 | onetwo | that look a bit cheesy |
| 04:10.03 | onetwo | they need a bit more money and time on their CGI side |
| 04:10.49 | onetwo | LOL "I swear... We should be more worried about India than China if they have this kind of shit. 0_o" |
| 04:11.02 | progammer | lol |
| 04:11.20 | progammer | bet movie like that never get approved in hollywood |
| 04:18.58 | RoarMan | Rawr |
| 04:24.04 | Shawn|Rawr | onetwo, how would i make a tower be able to turn and face the enemy when he attacks? |
| 04:24.38 | onetwo | iunno depends if it already has a turret on it |
| 04:24.43 | onetwo | like a diamondback tank |
| 04:24.45 | Shawn|Rawr | nope |
| 04:24.47 | onetwo | or missile turret |
| 04:24.48 | onetwo | then i dont know >< |
| 04:24.54 | Shawn|Rawr | ok, i'll search it |
| 04:30.54 | RoarMan | Is there anyway to reset periodic events? |
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| 05:44.05 | onetwo | lol i just sent expedia an angry email |
| 05:44.18 | onetwo | i did their stupid survey to help them out |
| 05:44.25 | onetwo | and then it says i can win an iPad so im like okay |
| 05:44.28 | onetwo | ill enter my info |
| 05:44.42 | onetwo | turns out to be a stupid text messaging quiz i have to do |
| 05:44.46 | onetwo | which basically turns into a ringtone selling advert |
| 05:44.49 | onetwo | so i quit that |
| 05:44.53 | onetwo | and sent the email lol |
| 05:45.12 | onetwo | most surveys ive done actually just ask you for info and done with it |
| 05:45.13 | onetwo | god |
| 05:49.55 | onetwo | lol woo ive done every button linked to actual data fields now |
| 05:50.07 | onetwo | .. but i have to do it for each ability rank now so thatll take a week |
| 05:50.08 | onetwo | lol |
| 05:50.24 | onetwo | afk a bit :D |
| 05:50.29 | onetwo | talking to myself ftw |
| 05:52.25 | Shadowsong | lol |
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| 06:01.39 | RyanWin | im drunk :D |
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| 06:03.26 | Shawn|Rawr | Anyone know about making a tower face its target without totally screwing over the pathing? |
| 06:08.37 | RyanWin | NO! |
| 06:08.45 | RyanWin | TD games are DONE |
| 06:08.52 | RyanWin | stop making them |
| 06:09.01 | RyanWin | sorry... >< |
| 06:09.06 | RyanWin | im drunk |
| 06:10.24 | Shawn|Rawr | Hehe... Sure Ryan. Besides, I'm only having fun |
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| 06:12.41 | prodiG | so i have this melee map |
| 06:12.55 | prodiG | i made it so command centers and orbital commands can't lift off |
| 06:13.04 | prodiG | and now nexuses don't have an energy bar & don't gain energy |
| 06:13.13 | prodiG | so they can't use chrono boost even though it's still in their command card |
| 06:13.21 | prodiG | anyone have an idea why that would happen :P |
| 06:13.56 | Shawn|Rawr | You took away the energy from the Nexus |
| 06:14.00 | Shawn|Rawr | Done |
| 06:14.10 | prodiG | is that an ability in the data editor? |
| 06:14.39 | Shawn|Rawr | Its in the unit itself |
| 06:15.41 | prodiG | where? i'm not seeing a "gain energy" ability or anything |
| 06:15.55 | prodiG | (looking at a diff map atm to find what i fucked up) |
| 06:16.54 | Shawn|Rawr | energy regeneration rate |
| 06:16.59 | Shawn|Rawr | in the unit |
| 06:17.17 | prodiG | ah i see |
| 06:18.13 | prodiG | oh fuck |
| 06:18.20 | prodiG | does that happen when you add campaign dependencies? |
| 06:18.31 | Shawn|Rawr | Does what happen? |
| 06:18.42 | prodiG | it loses energy regen rate |
| 06:18.46 | prodiG | cuz i know i didn't change it by hand |
| 06:18.58 | Shawn|Rawr | Nope. I don't know what happene |
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| 06:19.23 | prodiG | hm |
| 06:19.27 | prodiG | must be a bug i guess |
| 06:19.37 | prodiG | oh well fixed now, thanks for your help man ^^ |
| 06:20.29 | prodiG | actually on another note |
| 06:20.41 | prodiG | i don't suppose there's a way to add more than 16 players to a game is there :P |
| 06:21.13 | Shawn|Rawr | I don't think so |
| 06:21.17 | prodiG | thought so |
| 06:21.19 | prodiG | t.t |
| 06:22.14 | Motive | Hey. Does anyone know how to make it disable where if a player leaves, his resources are divided amongst his allies? |
| 06:24.51 | Shawn|Rawr | Kill all of his allies |
| 06:25.38 | Motive | :P |
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| 06:36.34 | Shawn|Rawr | Vexal says that he never figured it out |
| 06:39.29 | Shadowsong | ugh, mouselook is soo buggy |
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| 06:41.32 | Shadowsong | having soo many problems with it |
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| 07:28.28 | XenoX101 | halo |
| 07:29.33 | onetwo | hi |
| 07:29.57 | XenoX101 | sup |
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| 07:35.26 | onetwo | working on the RPG |
| 07:35.30 | onetwo | 350 tooltips |
| 07:35.33 | onetwo | linked to field values |
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| 07:41.28 | Sixen | =o |
| 07:41.33 | XenoX101 | fun |
| 07:42.15 | onetwo | i like the hook on miami 2 ibiza |
| 07:42.19 | onetwo | what do you think Sixen |
| 07:42.45 | onetwo | i like that popular music is moving into like techno/house style too actually, cause my euro heritage auto makes me like that stuff |
| 07:42.48 | onetwo | and it means more of it :O |
| 07:42.49 | onetwo | lol |
| 07:43.59 | Sixen | lol |
| 07:44.08 | Sixen | oooooooooooooh |
| 07:44.14 | Sixen | did you hear? Jersey Shore season 4 is in italy |
| 07:44.19 | onetwo | yeah thats crazy |
| 07:44.29 | onetwo | i also heard spinoff jwow/snooki show has a script |
| 07:44.34 | onetwo | which leads me to believe jersey shore may have one too |
| 07:44.36 | onetwo | which is a shame |
| 07:44.36 | Sixen | lol! Didn't know that |
| 07:44.44 | onetwo | cause id like to believe its mostly their insane character |
| 07:44.55 | onetwo | but its kind of a letdown if they were asked to act dumb |
| 07:44.55 | onetwo | etc |
| 07:44.57 | Sixen | Pauly is supposed to do his own show too |
| 07:44.59 | onetwo | nice |
| 07:45.03 | onetwo | i like pauly and mike's antics |
| 07:45.05 | onetwo | my fav parts |
| 07:45.05 | onetwo | lol |
| 07:45.07 | Sixen | D: |
| 07:45.08 | Sixen | :D |
| 07:45.13 | onetwo | hasnt really gotten to same height of season 1 |
| 07:45.17 | onetwo | when they first went cruising |
| 07:45.18 | Sixen | agree |
| 07:45.25 | onetwo | too much ronnie and sammie crap |
| 07:45.27 | onetwo | thati dont care about |
| 07:45.38 | Sixen | heh |
| 07:46.04 | onetwo | pauly d is probably most liked character |
| 07:46.05 | onetwo | i think |
| 07:46.11 | onetwo | i wonder if itll die out soon |
| 07:46.17 | onetwo | i still find it to be the only fun show to watch on tv |
| 07:46.18 | Sixen | I think Vinny is cool too |
| 07:46.21 | onetwo | oh yeah |
| 07:46.27 | onetwo | i could care less about cop drams on CBS |
| 07:46.27 | Sixen | Only shows I watch are Jersey shore and House |
| 07:46.29 | onetwo | dramas |
| 07:46.31 | onetwo | yeah |
| 07:46.37 | Sixen | cause house is a thug |
| 07:46.40 | onetwo | lol |
| 07:46.46 | onetwo | more of an ethug than rodrigo |
| 07:46.48 | Sixen | lolo |
| 07:55.30 | XenoX101 | omg |
| 07:55.40 | XenoX101 | I cant change the name of this behaviour without sc2 editor freezing |
| 07:55.53 | XenoX101 | ffs |
| 07:56.43 | XenoX101 | omg its like that with all my requirement and trigger-linked behaviours |
| 07:57.49 | XenoX101 | well this sucks |
| 07:58.02 | Shadowsong | ? |
| 07:58.20 | onetwo | lol |
| 07:58.23 | onetwo | xenox turn off object explorer |
| 07:58.24 | onetwo | and then try |
| 07:59.19 | XenoX101 | nope |
| 07:59.22 | XenoX101 | just freezes |
| 07:59.44 | XenoX101 | I mean they arent terrible names |
| 07:59.49 | XenoX101 | just wanted it to be a bit neater |
| 07:59.57 | onetwo | weird |
| 07:59.59 | XenoX101 | ah well, I'll just change the normal name without changing the ID |
| 08:00.08 | XenoX101 | bloody thing |
| 08:00.13 | onetwo | well, weirdly enough with the text editor you cant make new texts |
| 08:00.15 | onetwo | taht kind of sucks |
| 08:00.15 | onetwo | lol |
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| 08:00.49 | XenoX101 | whats the text editor |
| 08:01.05 | Clord | magical wonder tool |
| 08:01.08 | onetwo | whenever you set the text for button names, button tooltips, unit names, actor names, anything thats text basically |
| 08:01.13 | onetwo | its actually setting it to a key in the text editor |
| 08:01.16 | XenoX101 | ah right |
| 08:01.18 | onetwo | that references the text |
| 08:01.25 | onetwo | i was hopign to use it to speed up my tooltips |
| 08:01.27 | onetwo | but no dice |
| 08:01.30 | onetwo | gotta type it in one by one |
| 08:02.12 | Clord | burned my damn finger |
| 08:02.13 | Clord | lol |
| 08:02.15 | XenoX101 | ya doesnt surprise me though ;p |
| 08:02.20 | Clord | fast food is dangerous |
| 08:02.21 | Clord | ^^ |
| 08:02.25 | onetwo | fast food is amazing |
| 08:02.36 | XenoX101 | nah it aint |
| 08:03.05 | Clord | microwave 3 minutes... then take out that protective thing... got that damn stuff what came out from it to finger |
| 08:03.06 | Clord | XD |
| 08:03.33 | Clord | steam basically ^^ |
| 08:03.37 | Clord | hot hot hot steam |
| 08:04.10 | onetwo | yeah same with popcorn there too |
| 08:04.24 | onetwo | you know i bet in a couple decades we'll look back on how long it took to microwave things and how uneven it cooked our food |
| 08:04.25 | onetwo | tand laugh |
| 08:04.26 | onetwo | and* |
| 08:04.33 | onetwo | i bet we'll have something thatll make food cook in 1 second |
| 08:04.37 | onetwo | <1 |
| 08:04.53 | Clord | if there is something to love in english language... it must be ability to use "thing" if is not instantly remembering what something is called ^^ |
| 08:05.15 | onetwo | well i used thing in the sense of that we microwave anything |
| 08:05.18 | onetwo | food is more specific |
| 08:05.20 | onetwo | for most peopel |
| 08:05.23 | Clord | =) |
| 08:05.38 | XenoX101 | man this stuff is so good - http://coffeeworld.net.au/Arkadia-Vanilla-chai-tea-l.jpg |
| 08:05.50 | onetwo | looks like its from 1985 |
| 08:05.50 | XenoX101 | like ridiculously good for being a powder |
| 08:06.00 | onetwo | lol |
| 08:06.04 | Clord | btw google translate is good tool lol |
| 08:06.16 | Clord | it has allowed me to validate few japanese particle rules etc ^^ |
| 08:06.31 | Clord | XD |
| 08:09.25 | Clord | but sometimes that tool clearly fails |
| 08:12.18 | onetwo | 28% done of 350 tooltips |
| 08:12.19 | onetwo | woo |
| 08:12.28 | XenoX101 | btw onetwo |
| 08:12.33 | XenoX101 | have you ever thought about doing streaming? |
| 08:13.47 | XenoX101 | like live streaming tutorials or mapmaking |
| 08:14.13 | onetwo | hmm not really |
| 08:14.20 | onetwo | i like prepping things |
| 08:14.24 | onetwo | and redoing |
| 08:14.35 | XenoX101 | ya |
| 08:14.42 | XenoX101 | but theres an interactivity about it |
| 08:14.46 | onetwo | fair enough |
| 08:14.48 | XenoX101 | thats pretty attractive |
| 08:14.53 | XenoX101 | just a thought I dunno |
| 08:15.01 | XenoX101 | I was thinking of doing something like that myself |
| 08:15.34 | onetwo | id only do it if i could have it in this format: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3536/3224071376_9f01b3b797.jpg |
| 08:15.39 | onetwo | except its me editing on the stage |
| 08:15.48 | onetwo | LOL |
| 08:16.00 | XenoX101 | heh |
| 08:16.29 | XenoX101 | well if you become famous like some of the pro sc2 players |
| 08:16.40 | XenoX101 | then it doesnt matter what you on the stream ;p |
| 08:16.51 | XenoX101 | HuK had 1000 viewers watching him play freakin StarJeweled |
| 08:17.06 | XenoX101 | on his livestream |
| 08:17.14 | onetwo | lol |
| 08:17.14 | onetwo | well thats different |
| 08:17.16 | onetwo | pro gamer athlete |
| 08:17.22 | onetwo | vs guy who makes random tuts and unfinished maps |
| 08:17.23 | onetwo | lol |
| 08:17.28 | XenoX101 | lol |
| 08:17.36 | XenoX101 | but if you provide actual content |
| 08:17.39 | XenoX101 | doesnt have to be |
| 08:17.41 | onetwo | yeah |
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| 08:19.01 | XenoX101 | I got this logitech mic that I've used like twice |
| 08:19.38 | onetwo | ship it to korea |
| 08:19.41 | XenoX101 | lol |
| 08:20.16 | XenoX101 | the benefit I see with a livestream |
| 08:20.23 | XenoX101 | is that you can show large amounts of stuff |
| 08:20.29 | XenoX101 | without having to upload 500000 videos |
| 08:20.44 | XenoX101 | and people can record bits and bobs with their own software |
| 08:20.50 | XenoX101 | if they want to go over what you've done |
| 08:21.26 | Xaragoth | I swear |
| 08:21.33 | Xaragoth | I'm going to kill that idiot on the general forums |
| 08:21.38 | XenoX101 | LOL? |
| 08:21.47 | onetwo | LOL? |
| 08:21.57 | Sumo- | LOL!!!!??? |
| 08:21.57 | XenoX101 | confused laughter |
| 08:22.28 | Xaragoth | SIXEN |
| 08:22.31 | Xaragoth | where is my admin rights? |
| 08:22.35 | Xaragoth | Gimme vjeux login |
| 08:22.40 | Xaragoth | I'll pretend to be him |
| 08:22.45 | Xaragoth | And I'll be very nice to people. |
| 08:22.54 | Xaragoth | I'll delete their fucking account, I've had about enough of it ~~ |
| 08:22.56 | XenoX101 | hey how does regen modifier work? |
| 08:23.00 | onetwo | what post |
| 08:23.02 | XenoX101 | is it per second or..? |
| 08:23.04 | onetwo | yeah |
| 08:23.09 | XenoX101 | k |
| 08:23.11 | Xaragoth | onetwo: More Popularity |
| 08:23.12 | onetwo | 0.5 would mean 1 hp every 2 secs |
| 08:23.18 | XenoX101 | kk cool |
| 08:23.19 | XenoX101 | ty |
| 08:23.27 | Xaragoth | and it wasn't even rodrigo this time! |
| 08:23.35 | Xaragoth | Also, RyanWin, ye awake? |
| 08:24.27 | RyanWin | barely |
| 08:24.28 | RyanWin | and drunk |
| 08:24.30 | RyanWin | whats up |
| 08:24.34 | RyanWin | xaragoth |
| 08:24.37 | XenoX101 | haha |
| 08:25.04 | Xaragoth | ye back from blizz? or didn't fly yet? |
| 08:25.05 | Xaragoth | ^^ |
| 08:25.16 | RyanWin | I suicide bombed them when i went |
| 08:25.34 | RyanWin | im on satamns internet right now, hes away |
| 08:25.47 | RyanWin | ok thats not funny with the present state of the world |
| 08:25.51 | Xaragoth | http://nerfnow.com/comic/image/459 |
| 08:25.53 | RyanWin | anyways, no I havent gone |
| 08:26.00 | RyanWin | and I dont know when im going |
| 08:26.07 | RyanWin | they are being mysterious about it |
| 08:26.13 | RyanWin | I think theyre going to kill me when I go out |
| 08:26.21 | RyanWin | take me out to some shed in Irvine |
| 08:26.37 | RyanWin | make me tell them everything I know about WoSC |
| 08:26.41 | RyanWin | and then do me in |
| 08:27.20 | Xaragoth | heh |
| 08:27.23 | RyanWin | Good comic |
| 08:27.29 | onetwo | LOL |
| 08:27.32 | Xaragoth | tell them you'll now use your unlimited power over them to improve Rift |
| 08:27.32 | RyanWin | Im taking that into serious consideration |
| 08:27.36 | Xaragoth | so that WoW will go down |
| 08:27.36 | onetwo | rounding up community members that anger them |
| 08:27.37 | Xaragoth | :D |
| 08:27.39 | onetwo | next will be rodrigo |
| 08:27.41 | onetwo | taken to a shed |
| 08:27.51 | RyanWin | guys |
| 08:27.54 | Xaragoth | Rodrigo won't survive that long |
| 08:28.01 | RyanWin | I say we all get plane tickets out there |
| 08:28.03 | Xaragoth | I'm about to make him feeling very unhappy |
| 08:28.05 | onetwo | whats this Rift everyoen talks about |
| 08:28.09 | RyanWin | at around the same time im supposed to go |
| 08:28.10 | onetwo | another MMO not made by blizz thatll fail? |
| 08:28.21 | Xaragoth | onetwo: don't you also have curse prem? |
| 08:28.21 | onetwo | like warhammer, lotr, and that one with an A? |
| 08:28.24 | onetwo | no |
| 08:28.25 | Xaragoth | you can get a VIP beta key |
| 08:28.25 | RyanWin | then when i get off the plane you guys all meet me at the terminal |
| 08:28.28 | Xaragoth | it's very good actually |
| 08:28.36 | RyanWin | and we all tell blizz we are going in together |
| 08:28.39 | RyanWin | and then we get guns |
| 08:28.41 | Xaragoth | lol |
| 08:28.44 | RyanWin | and take over the bliz campus |
| 08:28.48 | Xaragoth | actually |
| 08:28.48 | RyanWin | and make a game |
| 08:28.49 | Xaragoth | good plan |
| 08:28.57 | Xaragoth | maybe they'll actually produce innovative stuff that time |
| 08:29.01 | RyanWin | make a game while we hold the hostage |
| 08:29.06 | XenoX101 | EN TARO CUISINE |
| 08:29.07 | Xaragoth | and not the same game every 10 years |
| 08:29.19 | RyanWin | Or be like |
| 08:29.23 | onetwo | i played VIP and CS hostage maps in counter strike |
| 08:29.25 | Xaragoth | onetwo: I shall get you a key! |
| 08:29.25 | onetwo | so ill be ready |
| 08:29.31 | RyanWin | some stupid fan that takes 2 of their old games, and makes it into one |
| 08:29.31 | onetwo | meh i dont have time for an MMO |
| 08:29.32 | onetwo | sorry |
| 08:29.34 | Xaragoth | Next event is on the 4th |
| 08:29.36 | Xaragoth | :p |
| 08:29.38 | Xaragoth | Well |
| 08:29.38 | RyanWin | and gets publicity |
| 08:29.39 | XenoX101 | its a bit rich calling a company that created the most dynamic RTS in the world 'uncreative' |
| 08:29.52 | Xaragoth | It's stable, it has all the things WoW has lost over the years ... and most important ... it's goddamn fun! |
| 08:29.57 | onetwo | interesting |
| 08:30.00 | onetwo | well i just look at my time |
| 08:30.02 | RyanWin | Yeah Rift looks good |
| 08:30.04 | onetwo | i can only go with the hits |
| 08:30.09 | Xaragoth | XenoX101: It's still not innovative. |
| 08:30.10 | onetwo | eg Valve and blizz games |
| 08:30.13 | onetwo | diablo 3 will be next for me |
| 08:30.16 | Xaragoth | It's the same shit as SC1, put into shiny |
| 08:30.18 | Clord | I closed beta tested rift.. it is not that impressive other than graphically |
| 08:30.18 | Xaragoth | Same for WoW |
| 08:30.21 | Xaragoth | Every year. |
| 08:30.23 | XenoX101 | SC1 was innovative |
| 08:30.33 | RyanWin | is it true theyre making a diablo editor? |
| 08:30.36 | onetwo | best gaming moment for me was first month of november 2004 in WoW |
| 08:30.39 | RyanWin | for diablo 3? |
| 08:30.42 | Xaragoth | Where the hell is stealing from Warhammer for all your Games INNOVATIVE and CREATIVE? |
| 08:30.44 | onetwo | would be cool ryan |
| 08:30.52 | RyanWin | just make world of diablo |
| 08:30.58 | RyanWin | it'll win |
| 08:30.59 | XenoX101 | stealing from warhammer |
| 08:30.59 | onetwo | i feel like diablo might lose its voice |
| 08:31.01 | XenoX101 | pfft |
| 08:31.02 | onetwo | amidst WoW |
| 08:31.14 | Clord | get rift fi you are looking for more WoW, get DC Universe Online if you are looking for something "fun" XD |
| 08:31.14 | RyanWin | no way |
| 08:31.18 | Xaragoth | I think Diablo has one major problem... it's also Item Hunting. |
| 08:31.27 | RyanWin | diablo cators to the sick twisted adult public of bliz |
| 08:31.35 | RyanWin | those people hate WoW |
| 08:31.47 | Xaragoth | Clord: If you look for the things WoW has lost and you like something similar, but different, Rift is for you. Otherwise, DC Universe or AoC (it's good now, say people). |
| 08:32.12 | Xaragoth | Well, I for one won't touch Diablo 3 |
| 08:32.19 | Xaragoth | SC2 was a disappointment for the most part |
| 08:32.21 | Clord | XD |
| 08:32.32 | onetwo | as an editor i love sc2 |
| 08:32.32 | Xaragoth | I'd rather use my money on Mass Effect 3 this time :p |
| 08:32.34 | Sumo- | wha? whats wrong with diablo? |
| 08:32.37 | onetwo | it can do all the things war3 couldnt |
| 08:32.38 | Clord | WCIII campaign might be better than SCII one |
| 08:32.40 | Clord | seriously lol |
| 08:32.41 | onetwo | http://www.riftgame.com/img/classes/soultree.jpg lol tell me that doesnt look like WoW |
| 08:32.53 | Xaragoth | it doesn't |
| 08:32.54 | onetwo | dude WC3 campaign amazed me, i was riveted by the end |
| 08:32.56 | Xaragoth | it looks like everquest! |
| 08:32.58 | onetwo | watching medivh and archimonde |
| 08:33.07 | onetwo | sc2 was like okay planet next planet next planet |
| 08:33.08 | onetwo | done |
| 08:33.11 | onetwo | k going to editor |
| 08:33.15 | Xaragoth | and it's different... you get basic abilities for spending talent points ;) |
| 08:33.35 | Xaragoth | I wouldn't have bought SC2 if not for the editor |
| 08:33.40 | onetwo | yeah |
| 08:33.42 | Xaragoth | And even now, most maps suck hairy horse balls |
| 08:33.47 | onetwo | thats true |
| 08:33.48 | onetwo | and weird |
| 08:33.50 | Clord | I would not have ebayed beta key if there was not that amazing editor |
| 08:33.50 | Clord | XD |
| 08:33.52 | onetwo | since war3 got to a high level of mapping |
| 08:33.53 | onetwo | started low |
| 08:33.57 | onetwo | but we should have started high in sc2 |
| 08:33.59 | onetwo | but that didnt happen |
| 08:34.20 | Clord | it was my plan... to get foothold in battle.net |
| 08:34.21 | Clord | ^^ |
| 08:34.21 | Xaragoth | I know quite a few genius people that didn't switch |
| 08:34.23 | Xaragoth | because of the setting |
| 08:34.27 | onetwo | ah |
| 08:34.30 | Xaragoth | sci-fi is kinda limited due to it's look |
| 08:34.33 | onetwo | i agree |
| 08:34.38 | onetwo | im waiting for blizz dota assets |
| 08:34.38 | Xaragoth | just look what spell-effects we miss |
| 08:34.40 | Sumo- | i agree fully |
| 08:34.41 | onetwo | to convert my RPG to fantasy |
| 08:34.42 | Clord | it makes great card game however ^^ |
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| 08:34.50 | Sumo- | i love wc3 special effects... |
| 08:34.52 | Xaragoth | morning hati |
| 08:34.53 | Sumo- | sc2 sucks |
| 08:35.01 | Hati | morning |
| 08:35.01 | onetwo | ive realized through sc2 why i never played sc1 much, and why i loved war3 was a lot to do with the fantasy setting |
| 08:35.01 | Sumo- | no nice grass |
| 08:35.09 | Xaragoth | I love SC2 for it's somewhat updated graphics |
| 08:35.10 | Sumo- | yeh |
| 08:35.11 | RyanWin | Xaragoth just gotta get creative with psionic "spells" |
| 08:35.16 | Xaragoth | But the rest ... annoys me |
| 08:35.22 | Clord | SCII melee is SC in 3D... just add few missing units and remove some "filling similar roles" XD |
| 08:35.24 | Sumo- | im with onetwo |
| 08:35.26 | Xaragoth | Ryan: Ye, just gotta import Particles :p |
| 08:35.44 | onetwo | but i dont really want to import 500 WoW models to make my RPG be fantasy |
| 08:35.49 | onetwo | ill take what i can from blizz dota |
| 08:35.51 | onetwo | and move along |
| 08:35.51 | onetwo | lol |
| 08:35.53 | Sumo- | it might not be so bad if the map size was lifted, but fuck man, we have have 200mb maps |
| 08:35.58 | RyanWin | you wont get much man |
| 08:36.11 | onetwo | hell some counter strike source maps are 150 megs with all the assets they put in |
| 08:36.12 | Sumo- | *cant have |
| 08:36.14 | onetwo | nevermind our maps |
| 08:36.15 | RyanWin | onetwo youll end up with an RPG of old WoW heroes killing zerg |
| 08:36.16 | Clord | I have not touched to ladder after beta |
| 08:36.18 | Clord | lol |
| 08:36.29 | onetwo | same Clord |
| 08:36.32 | onetwo | or pretty close for me |
| 08:36.37 | Sumo- | i have not touched any of sc2 gaming |
| 08:36.42 | Sumo- | i just mapmake its that bad |
| 08:36.46 | Clord | honestly melee mode plays like 1998 RTS game |
| 08:36.47 | onetwo | i was like husky and HD every day |
| 08:36.49 | onetwo | till editor came out |
| 08:36.52 | Clord | while dawn of war series advanced and more |
| 08:37.04 | onetwo | anyone remember Age of Mythology |
| 08:37.05 | onetwo | great fun |
| 08:37.12 | RyanWin | I liked Warhammer 40k gameplay |
| 08:37.17 | RyanWin | just horribly unbalanced |
| 08:37.18 | Sumo- | Age of empires ^^ |
| 08:37.22 | Clord | hehe... your titan what was rather crap in the end |
| 08:37.23 | Clord | XD |
| 08:37.30 | Clord | and so much effort to bring |
| 08:37.40 | Xaragoth | at least it had zeus |
| 08:37.43 | Xaragoth | :P |
| 08:37.45 | Sumo- | i miss the dune series :( |
| 08:37.52 | Xaragoth | ye, dune was fun |
| 08:37.55 | Sumo- | and kknd and dark reign |
| 08:37.59 | Clord | but I remember that age of mythology campaign started great |
| 08:37.59 | onetwo | anubis rush was my strat haha |
| 08:38.00 | Sumo- | those games need revamp hard |
| 08:38.04 | Clord | octobus boss or whatever |
| 08:38.06 | Clord | ^^ |
| 08:38.09 | Xaragoth | I think RTS is going to be slowly replaced with WH40k & AoS Clones |
| 08:38.09 | onetwo | kraken |
| 08:38.27 | onetwo | i wish valve would get on Halflife 3 tbh |
| 08:38.31 | onetwo | instead of random valve dota |
| 08:38.34 | Xaragoth | the genre is dying since about 8 years now, every now and than you see a ray of light ... that turns out to be a broken mirror ^^ |
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| 08:38.40 | onetwo | hi vjeux |
| 08:38.44 | Xaragoth | morning vjeux |
| 08:39.10 | Clord | yeah.... there is tech tree in SCII |
| 08:39.12 | Clord | but high level of play |
| 08:39.16 | Clord | they don't get to even much use it |
| 08:39.17 | Clord | XD |
| 08:39.50 | Clord | or since when really high quality SCII melee match anybody has seen tier 3 besides FFA? XD |
| 08:40.03 | Clord | in some stream |
| 08:40.09 | Xaragoth | never. at. all. |
| 08:40.15 | Xaragoth | t3 is just for us noobs and campaign :p |
| 08:40.23 | Xaragoth | though mass ultralisk is great fun xd |
| 08:40.37 | Clord | and blizzard is stubborn lol ^^ |
| 08:40.48 | onetwo | well ill be honest |
| 08:40.50 | onetwo | as a developer |
| 08:40.53 | onetwo | you get 2 sides of coin |
| 08:40.59 | onetwo | people who want radical change |
| 08:41.04 | onetwo | and some who want same thing over and over |
| 08:41.06 | onetwo | and its hard |
| 08:41.10 | onetwo | to get valuable data |
| 08:41.17 | onetwo | granted im not blizz and dont have tools |
| 08:41.19 | onetwo | like monitoring bnet |
| 08:41.22 | Xaragoth | you gotta do the right thing and move in between |
| 08:41.23 | onetwo | but when i was balancing pris rebel |
| 08:41.26 | onetwo | no one tells me the real truths |
| 08:41.28 | onetwo | and exploits |
| 08:41.31 | onetwo | i have to find it myself |
| 08:41.41 | onetwo | but i had to veto a lot of ideas my close testers had |
| 08:41.44 | Xaragoth | data is only so-much truth |
| 08:41.46 | onetwo | whether it betters the whole game |
| 08:41.52 | Clord | I get exploit reports but guy forgot to tell how he did it |
| 08:41.53 | Clord | lol |
| 08:41.57 | onetwo | lol |
| 08:41.59 | Xaragoth | lol |
| 08:42.01 | Clord | anyways... I get shit storm in battle.net |
| 08:42.02 | Clord | ^^ |
| 08:42.08 | Clord | more and more chat windows |
| 08:42.10 | Clord | sheesh |
| 08:42.10 | Xaragoth | btw |
| 08:42.16 | Xaragoth | who didn't buy magicka yet? |
| 08:42.17 | Xaragoth | on steam |
| 08:42.22 | Xaragoth | I'll beat you to play it. |
| 08:42.25 | Clord | you know.... I should be like three matches same time |
| 08:42.33 | Xaragoth | It's great. Indie and better than most full-scale projects |
| 08:42.34 | Hati | me |
| 08:42.38 | onetwo | i respect that |
| 08:42.56 | Clord | adventure mode in online mode was bugged as hell.. but they are working fixes |
| 08:42.56 | RyanWin | you know what was a great game that didnt take off cause it doesnt have the stupid media outlets? |
| 08:43.00 | RyanWin | Requiem |
| 08:43.03 | RyanWin | god that was fun |
| 08:43.15 | RyanWin | it was WoW and Diablo combined |
| 08:43.21 | RyanWin | so much b lood and body parts |
| 08:43.27 | RyanWin | and an awesome physics engine |
| 08:43.32 | Clord | http://www.achrongame.com/site/ |
| 08:43.37 | Clord | let's see "pro" people handle that |
| 08:43.43 | Xaragoth | 1999 or 2004 ryan? |
| 08:43.44 | Clord | my brain malfunctions when I play it |
| 08:43.58 | Clord | I gotta time travel during match... it is bit confusing |
| 08:43.59 | Clord | lol |
| 08:44.08 | Xaragoth | if it's 2004 ... that's because WoW hit |
| 08:44.15 | Xaragoth | nobody went the other way |
| 08:44.15 | Xaragoth | :p |
| 08:44.37 | Xaragoth | oh |
| 08:44.37 | onetwo | i had to laugh |
| 08:44.40 | onetwo | remember when it was everquest vs wow |
| 08:44.41 | Xaragoth | did they rename it now to archon? |
| 08:44.44 | onetwo | and wow just destroyed |
| 08:44.58 | Clord | it has been known as archon quite while... time travel RTS game |
| 08:44.59 | onetwo | hell before WoW beta iplayed that korean MMO |
| 08:45.02 | onetwo | what was it called |
| 08:45.09 | Clord | you can time travel even during multiplayer match |
| 08:45.09 | onetwo | it was SOOO badi dont understand why koreans love it |
| 08:45.16 | Xaragoth | I don't look at it that often Clord |
| 08:45.18 | Clord | and ordering units in past or future depletes time travel resource |
| 08:45.21 | Xaragoth | I'll try it though |
| 08:45.23 | Clord | ^^ |
| 08:45.37 | RyanWin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdRzJ81Bghs |
| 08:45.39 | Xaragoth | onetwo: Koreans love t3h grind. |
| 08:45.47 | Clord | suddenly you might see that your army disappears before your eyes because someone in past shot your factory |
| 08:45.47 | onetwo | yeah it was a huge grind |
| 08:45.52 | Clord | so those units was never made |
| 08:45.53 | Clord | ^^ |
| 08:45.54 | onetwo | i got one WHITE item after like 18 levels |
| 08:46.03 | onetwo | i was like jeeze |
| 08:46.07 | onetwo | WoW just blew that MMO out of the water |
| 08:46.15 | onetwo | but koreans have a history of only liking their own things aside from SC1 |
| 08:46.20 | onetwo | in entertainment and games |
| 08:46.24 | Xaragoth | indeed |
| 08:46.27 | onetwo | blockbuster movies fail in korea |
| 08:46.28 | onetwo | ive heard |
| 08:46.40 | Xaragoth | not enough guys that look like girls and flying people |
| 08:46.46 | Xaragoth | remember stuff like tiger & dragon? |
| 08:46.56 | Xaragoth | "HEY LETS WALK ON THE BLUE STEPS IN THE AIR" :d |
| 08:47.02 | onetwo | lol |
| 08:47.15 | Xaragoth | looked so stupid |
| 08:47.21 | Clord | I watched airbender movie.. it was bit 3/5... I watched cartoon/anime what was made before movie.... godlike |
| 08:47.27 | Sumo- | they think our shit looks stupid though. |
| 08:47.39 | Sumo- | the koreans seem to do alright |
| 08:47.54 | Xaragoth | but I gotta say ... Rift is going to drag in quite a few old WoW players. It has all the stuff they miss in WoW now ... World PvP, Outdoor Raids, Heavy Instances, lots of ways to play your character. |
| 08:48.01 | RyanWin | korean games own |
| 08:48.10 | Xaragoth | WoW made the mistake to dumb down the game more and more and step away from all the things that were fun for their community. |
| 08:48.17 | Xaragoth | Hell, rogues can tank & heal in rift with the right souls. |
| 08:48.22 | onetwo | ah |
| 08:48.25 | Xaragoth | I remember when they killed off Rogue Tanks in TBC. |
| 08:48.25 | onetwo | well you cant be on top forever |
| 08:48.26 | onetwo | i guess |
| 08:48.37 | onetwo | last i played WoW was summer 06 i think |
| 08:48.41 | onetwo | mid TBC |
| 08:48.48 | Xaragoth | be happy, you got out with good memories. |
| 08:48.49 | onetwo | so i missed the so called shitty days |
| 08:48.52 | onetwo | yeah |
| 08:48.54 | RyanWin | yeah, making an MMO class independant is a stel im trying to make in SCU |
| 08:48.54 | Clord | blizzard is making new MMO because they know that their competitors has been working years to prepare antidote |
| 08:48.56 | Clord | for their addicts |
| 08:48.58 | RyanWin | step* |
| 08:49.09 | Xaragoth | well |
| 08:49.12 | onetwo | the next big MMO has to have player controlled territories |
| 08:49.14 | Xaragoth | is blizz does the same way wow goes now |
| 08:49.15 | RyanWin | Too much time wasted trying to find a damn tank or healer when you should be PLAYING THE GAME |
| 08:49.17 | onetwo | make you feel like you own the world |
| 08:49.18 | onetwo | npcs = gone |
| 08:49.18 | Xaragoth | they'll fall flat on their faces. |
| 08:49.31 | Clord | I like consept what any MMO has not yet really done well |
| 08:49.33 | RyanWin | onetwo they tried to make a game like that |
| 08:49.34 | Xaragoth | GW2 also will fall a bit flat |
| 08:49.35 | RyanWin | It failed |
| 08:49.39 | onetwo | well blizz has to make it |
| 08:49.40 | Clord | armies move dynamically in persistent word |
| 08:49.41 | Xaragoth | People think it has no stuff from MMOs |
| 08:49.43 | onetwo | most companies fail at any game |
| 08:49.44 | RyanWin | hehe |
| 08:49.44 | Xaragoth | It has a lot of that stuff. |
| 08:49.44 | Clord | conquering areas XD |
| 08:49.48 | onetwo | too many shareholders over 40 |
| 08:49.54 | onetwo | running companies |
| 08:49.56 | onetwo | even blizz suffers from it now |
| 08:50.07 | RyanWin | blizz still knows whats up |
| 08:50.08 | onetwo | mike morhaime knows what hes doing but yeah |
| 08:50.10 | RyanWin | I have faith |
| 08:50.12 | onetwo | hes got to answer now |
| 08:50.23 | onetwo | i think that core team of original blizzard founders |
| 08:50.29 | onetwo | is what separates blizz from all their socalled splitoffs |
| 08:50.30 | onetwo | that fail |
| 08:50.33 | onetwo | when devs leave |
| 08:50.41 | Xaragoth | they're kinda walking on the edge... they might get all the dumb shits from WoW as fans now and loose some of their hardcore fanbase slowly. |
| 08:50.51 | RyanWin | even if blizz fails sc2mapster will keep SC@ running for the next 10 years just like editors kept WC3 running after the game completely failed in multiplayer |
| 08:51.00 | onetwo | yeah there was never this "WoW sucks" mentality with blizz before WoW |
| 08:51.05 | onetwo | if you liked war3 or sc1 that was it |
| 08:51.07 | onetwo | end of story |
| 08:51.11 | onetwo | good games no whining |
| 08:51.19 | Sumo- | agreed |
| 08:51.21 | onetwo | yeah ryan good point |
| 08:51.38 | Clord | while they pay next to nothing for those sites |
| 08:51.39 | Xaragoth | don't we already do that for a lot of people? *lol* |
| 08:51.43 | Clord | who keep their products selling better |
| 08:51.50 | Clord | lol |
| 08:52.08 | onetwo | but you gotta admire them for making the editors for all their RTSs |
| 08:52.08 | Xaragoth | I really hope we can get Ruins on BNet soon |
| 08:52.12 | Xaragoth | So you can have some fun with it |
| 08:52.12 | onetwo | have you tried any editors for other games? |
| 08:52.12 | Xaragoth | ^^ |
| 08:52.13 | onetwo | garbage |
| 08:52.17 | RyanWin | yes |
| 08:52.20 | Xaragoth | Not really onetwo |
| 08:52.26 | Xaragoth | You just need to work a lot more for them |
| 08:52.28 | Clord | if blizzard wants really make new breakthrought.. they would bring editor for diablo 3 |
| 08:52.29 | RyanWin | SC1 was the first great editor ever IMO |
| 08:52.29 | Xaragoth | And make your own Assets. |
| 08:52.30 | Clord | and amaze us |
| 08:52.31 | Clord | ^^ |
| 08:52.32 | Xaragoth | That's the big difference. |
| 08:52.36 | RyanWin | next to excite bike for NES |
| 08:52.40 | RyanWin | that editor owned |
| 08:52.40 | onetwo | Clord they maybe could have one for making arena's |
| 08:52.41 | onetwo | arenas |
| 08:52.45 | onetwo | but theyd have to approve them |
| 08:52.58 | Xaragoth | they said there will be neither addons nor mods for d3 |
| 08:53.02 | onetwo | awe |
| 08:53.05 | RyanWin | damn |
| 08:53.06 | Xaragoth | I bet we'll go all python on their asses again *lol* |
| 08:53.08 | onetwo | thats asking for trouble |
| 08:53.08 | Xaragoth | like we did with d2 |
| 08:53.17 | onetwo | in terms of longevity |
| 08:53.20 | Clord | actually... it could be simple solution like.. you make your non official campaign character seperately |
| 08:53.21 | Clord | ^^ |
| 08:53.33 | Clord | so no matter what lame stuff people play |
| 08:53.38 | Xaragoth | No, Clord! THEY NEED FACEBOOK.NET ! |
| 08:53.41 | Clord | they can't effect their main character in "official one" |
| 08:53.42 | Clord | ^^ |
| 08:54.14 | Clord | there could be for example... Masamune +10000000 but you could not transfer it to real campaign |
| 08:54.15 | Clord | lol |
| 08:54.24 | Clord | user made content would stay separate |
| 08:55.12 | Clord | so old versions of maps stay in their server btw in SCII |
| 08:55.15 | Clord | at least some time |
| 08:55.24 | Clord | I wonder if that is reason why they are so stinky |
| 08:55.28 | Clord | with their limits |
| 08:55.42 | Xaragoth | because we bet them to their games |
| 08:55.50 | Xaragoth | look at their "custom maps" |
| 08:55.53 | Xaragoth | what bullshit is that |
| 08:55.57 | Xaragoth | my 6 year old cousin could do those |
| 08:56.13 | Xaragoth | I expected something on the level we produce for a smaller part |
| 08:56.24 | Xaragoth | hell, they know that editor better than we do, they got artists |
| 08:56.27 | Xaragoth | and they don't do shit. |
| 08:56.30 | Clord | those custom icons can be just dummy units with special icon or something |
| 08:56.32 | Clord | not sure ^^ |
| 08:56.36 | Clord | in aiur chef |
| 08:56.45 | Clord | not checked lol |
| 08:56.50 | onetwo | 46% done button tooltips |
| 08:56.55 | onetwo | 46% of 350 |
| 08:57.39 | onetwo | lol wow |
| 08:57.46 | onetwo | totalling 1500 custom data objects |
| 08:57.47 | onetwo | now |
| 08:57.56 | onetwo | i better release this shit so it doesnt sit on my harddrive for eternity |
| 08:58.27 | Xaragoth | heh |
| 08:58.48 | RyanWin | how close are you to release Onetwo? |
| 08:58.59 | onetwo | well once i finish button tooltips |
| 08:59.03 | onetwo | i need to add like 40-50 items |
| 08:59.06 | onetwo | maybe 10-20 more quests |
| 08:59.08 | onetwo | and maybe 50% of terrain |
| 08:59.11 | onetwo | at 25% now |
| 08:59.16 | RyanWin | so ill see you in 4 months |
| 08:59.18 | onetwo | yeah |
| 08:59.19 | onetwo | ttyl |
| 08:59.20 | onetwo | lol |
| 08:59.22 | Xaragoth | lol |
| 08:59.22 | RyanWin | l8 |
| 08:59.33 | onetwo | the hardest part is over |
| 08:59.35 | onetwo | 5 heroes |
| 08:59.42 | RyanWin | tell me about it |
| 08:59.45 | onetwo | lol |
| 08:59.48 | RyanWin | im still stuck on 1 |
| 08:59.49 | onetwo | and the abilities are pretty ugly atm |
| 08:59.58 | onetwo | still very unpolished visuals |
| 08:59.59 | RyanWin | and ive got a team of 6 people |
| 09:00.01 | RyanWin | lol |
| 09:00.02 | onetwo | lol |
| 09:00.06 | XenoX101 | how many abilities per hero onetwo |
| 09:00.12 | onetwo | 7 with 10 ranks each |
| 09:00.14 | onetwo | so you can imagine |
| 09:00.16 | onetwo | duplicate, rename |
| 09:00.18 | onetwo | diplicate rename |
| 09:00.19 | XenoX101 | pfft |
| 09:00.26 | XenoX101 | try 15 with 6 ranks each |
| 09:00.27 | onetwo | the renaming takes forever |
| 09:00.29 | onetwo | i need a wizard shit |
| 09:00.37 | onetwo | yeah |
| 09:00.38 | onetwo | gg |
| 09:00.43 | Clord | my map has gathered more and more following and since chat channels it started to really skyrocket |
| 09:00.44 | Clord | lol |
| 09:00.47 | onetwo | cool |
| 09:00.49 | XenoX101 | I'm gonna use upgrades though |
| 09:00.50 | onetwo | good to know |
| 09:00.59 | XenoX101 | I'll post a tutorial when I get it working maybe |
| 09:00.59 | onetwo | chat channels are good for that |
| 09:01.03 | onetwo | nice |
| 09:01.04 | onetwo | good idea |
| 09:01.07 | XenoX101 | or maybe I'll live stream it ;p |
| 09:01.14 | onetwo | no do tutorial |
| 09:01.14 | Clord | ^^ |
| 09:01.16 | XenoX101 | haha |
| 09:01.27 | XenoX101 | ya cause |
| 09:01.32 | XenoX101 | upgrades are so powerful |
| 09:01.36 | XenoX101 | and you can link actor events to upgrades |
| 09:01.37 | Clord | now while my map has insane following gathering under it... so is demanding playerbase |
| 09:01.45 | XenoX101 | and upgrades can have levels |
| 09:01.45 | Clord | "when you add more cards, blaa, blaa, blaa" |
| 09:01.49 | RyanWin | anyone know if SOTIS abilities are 100% data? |
| 09:01.54 | Clord | ^^ |
| 09:01.56 | RyanWin | or are there some trigs in there |
| 09:02.01 | XenoX101 | for the most part ya |
| 09:02.04 | XenoX101 | some arent |
| 09:02.15 | XenoX101 | not really relevant though I dont think |
| 09:02.27 | XenoX101 | you can do most things with data |
| 09:02.27 | RyanWin | kk ty |
| 09:02.30 | XenoX101 | and its obvious when you cant |
| 09:02.30 | onetwo | yeah Clord |
| 09:02.42 | onetwo | um i only have SOTIS from when i did his cine back when |
| 09:02.45 | onetwo | and he did have some triggers |
| 09:02.49 | onetwo | as you would in war3 |
| 09:02.56 | onetwo | but may have changed |
| 09:02.58 | onetwo | by now |
| 09:03.02 | onetwo | as our community knows data way better |
| 09:03.11 | RyanWin | not this guy |
| 09:03.18 | RyanWin | I need to step up my data game |
| 09:03.20 | RyanWin | asap |
| 09:03.23 | onetwo | its not bad |
| 09:03.31 | onetwo | when i started making tuts i still had no idea what shit was |
| 09:03.33 | onetwo | lol |
| 09:03.49 | RyanWin | lol |
| 09:04.19 | onetwo | btw try and save copies of your map as much as possible |
| 09:04.23 | onetwo | i actually had my RPG corrupt |
| 09:04.25 | XenoX101 | ya onetwo |
| 09:04.25 | onetwo | when saving once |
| 09:04.27 | onetwo | and i had to use backup |
| 09:04.28 | XenoX101 | one thing with missiles |
| 09:04.34 | XenoX101 | you dont need to set the mover in the shoot missile effect |
| 09:04.39 | XenoX101 | launch missile* |
| 09:04.42 | onetwo | oh? |
| 09:04.44 | XenoX101 | just set the mover in the missile itself |
| 09:04.58 | onetwo | either way its still unintuitive |
| 09:05.04 | onetwo | especially cause when you duplicate missile based units |
| 09:05.05 | XenoX101 | its plenty intuitive lol |
| 09:05.07 | onetwo | the missile actor doesnt show up |
| 09:05.13 | onetwo | so you gotta go duplicate it yourself |
| 09:05.19 | onetwo | that shit screws peopel up |
| 09:05.23 | XenoX101 | mm |
| 09:05.56 | XenoX101 | I'm using my own level up system |
| 09:06.02 | XenoX101 | cause blizz doesnt let you use 2 learn abilities |
| 09:06.20 | XenoX101 | not sure if that would help others |
| 09:06.34 | XenoX101 | but ya, you can use dummy behaviours to make it work |
| 09:06.36 | onetwo | lol wow xenox |
| 09:06.49 | XenoX101 | a dummy behaviour* |
| 09:06.56 | onetwo | ive contemplated using my own item system and going more WoW style with corpse looting than War3 style |
| 09:07.01 | onetwo | cause every item needs a stupid actor |
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| 09:07.03 | onetwo | and unit |
| 09:07.07 | onetwo | takes forever |
| 09:07.08 | onetwo | to make one |
| 09:07.10 | XenoX101 | ya |
| 09:07.13 | XenoX101 | well the way I see it |
| 09:07.14 | onetwo | brb |
| 09:07.22 | XenoX101 | if you can do something quicker in a more round about way |
| 09:07.29 | XenoX101 | or not quicker, but more efficeintly |
| 09:07.31 | XenoX101 | efficiently |
| 09:07.31 | XenoX101 | do it |
| 09:07.50 | XenoX101 | cause theres no point for instance for me to use the stupid learn ability point system |
| 09:07.58 | RyanWin | duping and polishing units is the most time effective way to go |
| 09:07.59 | RyanWin | IMO |
| 09:08.01 | XenoX101 | when it would mean I have to limit my slot system |
| 09:08.17 | XenoX101 | mm depends ryan |
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| 09:08.36 | XenoX101 | blizz sometimes do funny things |
| 09:08.52 | XenoX101 | and its often harder to |
| 09:08.53 | XenoX101 | modify something |
| 09:08.58 | XenoX101 | than to make it right from scratch |
| 09:09.00 | Helral|Work | meow? |
| 09:09.16 | RyanWin | ive never made a unit from scratch |
| 09:09.16 | XenoX101 | I've found it easier to just start from a clean slate often times |
| 09:09.23 | RyanWin | ive always modified it |
| 09:09.33 | XenoX101 | well ya if its just the unit |
| 09:09.35 | XenoX101 | but like abilities and stuff |
| 09:09.40 | RyanWin | thats probably why i still suck at data |
| 09:09.41 | XenoX101 | better just to make it yourself imo |
| 09:09.43 | XenoX101 | lol |
| 09:10.14 | RyanWin | and all custom abilities I make are 80% |
| 09:10.16 | RyanWin | trigger |
| 09:10.24 | XenoX101 | ;/ |
| 09:10.31 | RyanWin | but they look good :D |
| 09:10.57 | XenoX101 | polished turd XD |
| 09:10.59 | RyanWin | as long as its not affecting system performance and it looks good, players wont know the difference |
| 09:11.00 | XenoX101 | jk |
| 09:11.04 | RyanWin | thats my philosophy |
| 09:11.11 | XenoX101 | or game performance |
| 09:11.13 | XenoX101 | which it will |
| 09:11.26 | onetwo | as good as i am at data, i still cant do from scratch cause i forget stuff like what are the normal attributes you check off on a unit |
| 09:11.32 | onetwo | what are the actor launch attachment crap |
| 09:11.32 | onetwo | etc |
| 09:11.35 | onetwo | events on default units |
| 09:11.39 | RyanWin | exactly onetwo |
| 09:11.40 | onetwo | speaking of hard data editing |
| 09:11.43 | Sumo- | whats a good site to register domains? |
| 09:11.46 | XenoX101 | whenever you get stuck just look at working references |
| 09:11.50 | RyanWin | I have to refer to a tutorial anytime I want to make something |
| 09:11.54 | RyanWin | and it annoys the shit out of me |
| 09:11.57 | XenoX101 | and if all else fails |
| 09:11.59 | XenoX101 | reset to parent |
| 09:12.02 | onetwo | karawasa who made elements TD needed a data editor for some last few towers, and i figured out why |
| 09:12.03 | XenoX101 | and do it again |
| 09:12.10 | Sumo- | i want to put up a forum or something, i need a good site to buy a domain from and maybe host the forum? |
| 09:12.14 | onetwo | i use godaddy.com |
| 09:12.19 | onetwo | not for forums though |
| 09:12.31 | Sumo- | yeh i was lookin at godaddy |
| 09:12.32 | onetwo | let me find an example |
| 09:12.45 | Sumo- | i wanna have a forum but, which i wont have to host myselkf |
| 09:13.08 | onetwo | nevermind he destroyed it |
| 09:13.18 | Xaragoth | I'll actually have to look for a website ~~ |
| 09:13.23 | Xaragoth | to put up my shit |
| 09:13.31 | Xaragoth | devs love websites. |
| 09:13.52 | onetwo | how expensive is it to get like a basic site that has a forum system |
| 09:13.55 | onetwo | im no web coder |
| 09:14.09 | Clord | personally I used vbulletin |
| 09:14.13 | Clord | and then vbadvanced |
| 09:14.15 | Clord | ^^ |
| 09:14.18 | Clord | made portal like site |
| 09:16.37 | Clord | lol and took good looking free skin |
| 09:16.43 | Clord | and made some changes for it |
| 09:17.10 | onetwo | lol |
| 09:17.24 | XenoX101 | why is "Add ability" right next to "Remove ability" in the context menu? -.- |
| 09:17.47 | XenoX101 | further proof that blizzard hates us |
| 09:19.54 | onetwo | you guys should see me go |
| 09:20.00 | onetwo | im plowing through these tooltips |
| 09:20.02 | onetwo | copy paste master |
| 09:20.03 | onetwo | lol |
| 09:21.03 | Clord | lol this dissidia 012 demo rocks |
| 09:21.04 | Clord | ^^ |
| 09:21.07 | Clord | PSP demo |
| 09:21.19 | XenoX101 | lolwut, I just added abilities to a submenu |
| 09:21.21 | Jum-Jum | herro |
| 09:21.23 | XenoX101 | and now the submenu button disappears |
| 09:23.54 | *** join/#sc2mapster Dekar- (~Dekar@p4FCEB2F0.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 09:25.31 | onetwo | 64% done of 350 tooltips |
| 09:25.33 | onetwo | shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 09:25.58 | onetwo | arm is going to rip off soon |
| 09:26.04 | Clord | lol |
| 09:27.16 | *** join/#sc2mapster XenoX101 (~XenoX101@115-64-132-151.static.tpgi.com.au) |
| 09:33.12 | onetwo | i think the funniest thing will be how many zones ill make from one tileset |
| 09:33.15 | onetwo | through intense doodad usage |
| 09:33.52 | *** join/#sc2mapster Thels (GameBot@ip3e83cdbc.speed.planet.nl) |
| 09:34.11 | onetwo | the other funny thing is how many times ive used mana instead of energy in my tooltips |
| 09:38.11 | Clord | hehe I use energy as visual indicator |
| 09:38.17 | Clord | in TCG map |
| 09:38.27 | Clord | it allows easy way to people see cooldown ^^ |
| 09:38.54 | onetwo | ah |
| 09:40.39 | XenoX101 | is now playing Porcupine Tree - Deadwing [Deadwing] |
| 09:41.48 | XenoX101 | more people should use music plugins here ;p |
| 09:42.20 | Clord | lol |
| 09:43.29 | onetwo | web version |
| 09:43.47 | XenoX101 | mm |
| 09:43.59 | XenoX101 | sc2mapster should encourage people to get a real IRC client ;) |
| 09:44.34 | XenoX101 | pro at making and modifying sc2 maps, uses web irc client |
| 09:44.48 | XenoX101 | doesnt have as nice a ring to it ;p |
| 09:45.08 | onetwo | oh i had one |
| 09:45.11 | onetwo | and i went back to web |
| 09:45.14 | onetwo | i like the simplicity |
| 09:45.17 | onetwo | colors |
| 09:45.18 | onetwo | pinging |
| 09:45.19 | XenoX101 | really |
| 09:45.19 | onetwo | font |
| 09:45.21 | onetwo | yeah |
| 09:45.26 | onetwo | same reason i use hotmail |
| 09:45.28 | onetwo | still |
| 09:45.28 | XenoX101 | what about chat logs |
| 09:45.30 | XenoX101 | and notifies |
| 09:45.36 | XenoX101 | and the little 'blip' thing |
| 09:45.40 | onetwo | thats all on web version |
| 09:45.43 | onetwo | chat logs i dont need |
| 09:45.44 | XenoX101 | really |
| 09:45.48 | onetwo | infact id wish to delete all my chat history |
| 09:45.48 | XenoX101 | chat logs are amazing |
| 09:45.49 | onetwo | from the internet |
| 09:45.50 | onetwo | lol |
| 09:46.00 | Clord | Mirc |
| 09:46.02 | Clord | ^^ |
| 09:46.04 | XenoX101 | yup |
| 09:46.07 | Clord | :) |
| 09:46.07 | XenoX101 | high fives Clord |
| 09:46.10 | Helral|Work | http://ibot.rikers.org/%23sc2mapster/ <-- pick your log ;p |
| 09:46.32 | onetwo | runs |
| 09:46.42 | XenoX101 | lol |
| 09:46.45 | XenoX101 | YOU CANT HIDE ONETWO |
| 09:46.58 | Shadowsong | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:47.00 | onetwo | my internet trace is too deep |
| 09:47.04 | onetwo | i must find a way out |
| 09:47.11 | XenoX101 | the fbi are on their way |
| 09:47.12 | onetwo | cue wachowski brothers movie |
| 09:47.30 | XenoX101 | applies green tinge to reality |
| 09:47.53 | XenoX101 | creates 'real world' behind our reality |
| 09:48.04 | onetwo | man, old simpsons is on TV right now, its amazing how much more FUNNY, emotional, and real it is |
| 09:48.06 | onetwo | than new shows |
| 09:48.13 | onetwo | like when barts mom was going clothes shopping with him |
| 09:48.16 | XenoX101 | ya old simpsons rocked |
| 09:48.16 | onetwo | i can remember those days |
| 09:48.18 | onetwo | they captured is so well |
| 09:48.29 | onetwo | the characters actions are legitimate |
| 09:48.33 | onetwo | actually pull you in |
| 09:48.45 | XenoX101 | ya it was much more personal/real/emotional/sentimental |
| 09:48.48 | XenoX101 | with much more relevant humour |
| 09:48.51 | onetwo | yeah youre right |
| 09:49.05 | XenoX101 | and actually had less humour |
| 09:49.07 | XenoX101 | than the newer ones |
| 09:49.10 | Helral|Work | although that log only contains the stuff that was said when purl is here ;p |
| 09:49.18 | onetwo | like remember that episode where bart stole the video game from walmart shop |
| 09:49.24 | XenoX101 | ya |
| 09:49.26 | onetwo | you actually felt his nervousness |
| 09:49.29 | onetwo | when the family went back in |
| 09:49.48 | onetwo | cant find that on Tv anymore |
| 09:49.51 | onetwo | as far as im concerned |
| 09:50.06 | XenoX101 | yeah |
| 09:50.22 | XenoX101 | those were simpler times though |
| 09:50.28 | onetwo | hmm yeah |
| 09:50.31 | XenoX101 | that was enough to appease people |
| 09:50.39 | XenoX101 | these days people would just be like 'wtf' |
| 09:50.42 | XenoX101 | 'this is lame' |
| 09:50.42 | onetwo | but look at most shows ratings these days |
| 09:50.50 | onetwo | way below 80's/90's records |
| 09:50.53 | onetwo | cause the writing is shit |
| 09:51.01 | onetwo | i truly believe if something great came along |
| 09:51.03 | onetwo | it could do well |
| 09:51.05 | XenoX101 | ya I stopped watching tv |
| 09:51.08 | onetwo | yeah exactly |
| 09:51.47 | Clord | yeah... it is easy nowadays with all those rain of torrent outside |
| 09:51.51 | Clord | XD |
| 09:52.35 | onetwo | shhhhhhh |
| 09:52.36 | onetwo | lol |
| 09:52.42 | onetwo | actually im canadian it doesnt matter |
| 09:52.46 | onetwo | honestly the movie industry is just slow too |
| 09:52.55 | onetwo | i want movies without ads that i can DL in 30 mins instantly |
| 09:53.01 | onetwo | and can manipulate as i wish |
| 09:53.02 | onetwo | since i bought it |
| 09:53.17 | onetwo | hell ive bought about 20+ blurays cause i like the quality |
| 09:53.20 | XenoX101 | ya |
| 09:53.22 | onetwo | but just getting from inserting it to playing it |
| 09:53.25 | onetwo | takes > 2 mins |
| 09:53.27 | onetwo | slow ass thing |
| 09:53.32 | XenoX101 | I think the ad system is just stupid |
| 09:53.41 | XenoX101 | sell something based on its merits |
| 09:53.44 | onetwo | itunes and music was a smart step in right direction |
| 09:53.45 | onetwo | yeah |
| 09:53.50 | onetwo | i DL bad / average movies to see |
| 09:53.51 | onetwo | buy good ones |
| 09:53.53 | onetwo | make more good movies |
| 09:53.54 | XenoX101 | if tv was good enough |
| 09:53.55 | onetwo | and ill buy em |
| 09:53.57 | XenoX101 | people would pay for it |
| 09:54.00 | onetwo | yeah |
| 09:54.06 | XenoX101 | and no need for ads |
| 09:54.06 | Helral|Work | I usually insert the bluray before turning on the tv ;p |
| 09:54.10 | onetwo | satellite radio is an example |
| 09:55.06 | Clord | companies whine that people check their stuff for free before desiring if they think it is enough high quality to pay frm |
| 09:55.07 | Clord | from |
| 09:55.11 | XenoX101 | is now playing Porcupine Tree - Start of Something Beautiful [Deadwing] |
| 09:55.13 | XenoX101 | great song |
| 09:55.30 | XenoX101 | ya I always find it hilarious when |
| 09:55.35 | XenoX101 | gaming companies release games |
| 09:55.38 | XenoX101 | without demos |
| 09:55.41 | XenoX101 | then complain that people pirate them |
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| 09:55.42 | Clord | basically.... they don't like that they can't nowadays fool customer as effectively |
| 09:55.54 | XenoX101 | its like "Hm, so you didnt let the customer try your product" |
| 09:56.04 | XenoX101 | "and now you're complaining that they won't purchase it blindly" |
| 09:56.34 | onetwo | well cause people have made so much bad shit just for the money that as a consumer im forced to test everything |
| 09:56.38 | onetwo | they caused it themselves |
| 09:56.44 | onetwo | which is why people like valve/blizz |
| 09:56.46 | XenoX101 | yeah |
| 09:56.46 | onetwo | cause you can latch on |
| 09:56.48 | onetwo | and expect quality |
| 09:56.52 | XenoX101 | ya exactly |
| 09:56.52 | onetwo | and look at blizz |
| 09:56.54 | onetwo | one of richest in world |
| 09:56.55 | onetwo | now |
| 09:57.02 | onetwo | the WoW fortune |
| 09:57.02 | XenoX101 | but even starcraft |
| 09:57.04 | onetwo | lol |
| 09:57.06 | XenoX101 | I remember playing the demo |
| 09:57.09 | XenoX101 | at my friends house |
| 09:57.11 | XenoX101 | and being like |
| 09:57.12 | onetwo | yeah that too |
| 09:57.13 | XenoX101 | "this is so awesome" |
| 09:57.22 | onetwo | we dont get those moments much anymore |
| 09:57.23 | XenoX101 | thats what got me to buy the full version |
| 09:57.24 | onetwo | since were older i guess |
| 09:57.27 | XenoX101 | remember those magazines? |
| 09:57.28 | onetwo | and everythings rehashed now |
| 09:57.31 | onetwo | LOL |
| 09:57.32 | XenoX101 | like pc powerplay and that? |
| 09:57.35 | onetwo | lol |
| 09:57.36 | XenoX101 | with the demo discs |
| 09:57.40 | onetwo | hahaha yeah |
| 09:57.41 | onetwo | great days |
| 09:57.44 | XenoX101 | that was the shit man, thats what motivated me to buy games |
| 09:57.52 | XenoX101 | not freaking IGN going THIS GAME IS BOSS YO |
| 09:58.04 | XenoX101 | or those 500,000 ads for black ops |
| 09:58.22 | XenoX101 | I dont care how many times you stick it in my face, I want to try it before I buy it |
| 09:58.28 | onetwo | well i feel out of the loop now in a way |
| 09:58.31 | onetwo | cause i dont care about consoles |
| 09:58.33 | onetwo | after gamecube |
| 09:58.34 | onetwo | i was done |
| 09:58.37 | XenoX101 | lol |
| 09:58.38 | onetwo | and everything has become about console games |
| 09:58.41 | onetwo | cause they can cheat you on consoles |
| 09:58.43 | Clord | companies could try this method... give 50% of movie free ^^ |
| 09:58.43 | onetwo | you cant cheat pc gamers |
| 09:58.46 | XenoX101 | ya |
| 09:58.47 | onetwo | were hard ass stubborn mofos |
| 09:58.49 | Clord | then ask if you wanna see more? |
| 09:58.50 | Clord | XD |
| 09:58.58 | onetwo | look at perfection of sc2 |
| 09:59.00 | onetwo | and we still whine |
| 09:59.02 | onetwo | justly but yeah |
| 09:59.19 | XenoX101 | ya we want our cake and to eat it to |
| 09:59.32 | XenoX101 | but console gaming |
| 09:59.37 | XenoX101 | I dunno, I never got into it |
| 09:59.41 | onetwo | i was n64 days |
| 09:59.46 | onetwo | cause i didnt know better |
| 09:59.47 | XenoX101 | yeah n64 was good |
| 09:59.56 | onetwo | but pc gaming is on heights way above consoles |
| 09:59.58 | XenoX101 | but the controllers just arent intuitive enough imo |
| 10:00.01 | onetwo | yeah |
| 10:00.05 | onetwo | i was like hmm im playing halo |
| 10:00.07 | onetwo | and losing |
| 10:00.09 | XenoX101 | lol |
| 10:00.10 | onetwo | i can go get my mouse |
| 10:00.12 | onetwo | and go 20-0 |
| 10:00.14 | XenoX101 | yeah exactly whats with that |
| 10:00.22 | Clord | hehe also when it was normal to put up sharewares/demos.... companies actually tried harder to make good game |
| 10:00.23 | XenoX101 | like arent we meant to be moving forward |
| 10:00.30 | XenoX101 | why would you release a game on a console with inferior controls |
| 10:00.38 | XenoX101 | when you could make it on a PC with a mouse |
| 10:00.56 | XenoX101 | its all a money making scheme |
| 10:00.58 | onetwo | cause masses have it |
| 10:00.59 | onetwo | yeah |
| 10:01.01 | onetwo | it is |
| 10:01.08 | onetwo | and like that website said |
| 10:01.09 | XenoX101 | once they have a console |
| 10:01.11 | XenoX101 | they sucker you into their games |
| 10:01.12 | onetwo | e3 2010 was year of noob |
| 10:01.17 | onetwo | kinect and Move and Wii |
| 10:01.18 | onetwo | no thanks |
| 10:01.21 | onetwo | id rather go play sc2 with strats |
| 10:01.23 | onetwo | real thought |
| 10:01.23 | XenoX101 | ya |
| 10:01.25 | onetwo | intellect |
| 10:01.27 | XenoX101 | yeah |
| 10:01.33 | onetwo | but are we a minority? |
| 10:01.36 | XenoX101 | I think consoles won't last the next generations |
| 10:01.38 | onetwo | 2 million sc2 sales |
| 10:01.41 | XenoX101 | people will wisen up to their ruse |
| 10:01.46 | onetwo | but how many black ops |
| 10:01.50 | onetwo | hope so |
| 10:01.51 | onetwo | tbh |
| 10:02.09 | XenoX101 | computers are just superior in every way |
| 10:02.19 | XenoX101 | there is nothing a console can benefit you with |
| 10:02.22 | XenoX101 | except cost |
| 10:02.32 | XenoX101 | and 'exclusivity', pfft |
| 10:03.12 | onetwo | meh |
| 10:03.21 | onetwo | lol |
| 10:03.31 | XenoX101 | ya blackops sold 7 million copies |
| 10:03.34 | XenoX101 | while sc2 sold 2 million |
| 10:03.44 | XenoX101 | people are idiots |
| 10:04.08 | Clord | and now onlive is raping slowly consoles advantage |
| 10:04.10 | Clord | of price |
| 10:04.11 | XenoX101 | well, maybe thats a bit harsh, but black ops is by no means a perfect game |
| 10:04.14 | Clord | ^^ |
| 10:04.31 | XenoX101 | and well starcraft 2 isn't perfect either, but it is pretty damn close |
| 10:04.40 | Clord | www.onlive.com |
| 10:04.44 | Clord | www.onlivefans.com |
| 10:04.47 | Clord | lol |
| 10:05.08 | onetwo | im glad for Valve and Blizz and yes WoW |
| 10:05.12 | onetwo | cause i think they singlehandedly |
| 10:05.15 | onetwo | kept PC gaming alive |
| 10:05.18 | onetwo | to a general large audience |
| 10:05.44 | onetwo | remember days of going to store and actually picking random CDs to play for PC |
| 10:05.47 | onetwo | like no one lives forever |
| 10:05.49 | onetwo | age of mythology |
| 10:05.49 | Clord | actually PC gaming is alive and well...... it is just that it is elitist way to play or whatever ^^ |
| 10:05.52 | onetwo | used to find random games and love them |
| 10:06.02 | XenoX101 | ya |
| 10:06.22 | XenoX101 | pc gaming was so big |
| 10:06.30 | XenoX101 | you know why console gaming was good at the beginning? |
| 10:06.33 | XenoX101 | comps were expensive |
| 10:06.44 | XenoX101 | if you had a comp you were reasonably well off |
| 10:06.51 | XenoX101 | one that could play games no less |
| 10:07.01 | Clord | yeah having computer during they came to homes |
| 10:07.04 | Clord | did show that |
| 10:07.08 | Clord | you are well paid for life |
| 10:07.09 | Clord | lol |
| 10:07.22 | XenoX101 | nowadays the margin between the cost of a ps3 and the cost of a comp that can run sc2 |
| 10:07.26 | XenoX101 | its not that much |
| 10:07.39 | XenoX101 | not mentioning the obvious other benefits of the computer |
| 10:07.58 | Clord | in theory you could pay same amount as most expensive PS3 right now as computer parts and build it yourself... and it would probably be superior for gaming |
| 10:08.14 | onetwo | and you could use it for facebook stalking |
| 10:08.15 | onetwo | etc |
| 10:08.27 | onetwo | you can tell i dont use facebook |
| 10:08.28 | XenoX101 | lol |
| 10:08.28 | onetwo | lol |
| 10:08.52 | XenoX101 | but ya consoles just make no sense |
| 10:08.55 | XenoX101 | logically speaking |
| 10:09.01 | XenoX101 | commercially they do, hell yes |
| 10:09.05 | XenoX101 | but logically, no |
| 10:10.01 | onetwo | yeah |
| 10:10.03 | onetwo | but if its all you know |
| 10:10.10 | onetwo | you cant expect people to magically know more |
| 10:10.15 | onetwo | unless people like us |
| 10:10.16 | XenoX101 | mm |
| 10:10.17 | onetwo | educate our friends |
| 10:10.19 | XenoX101 | ya |
| 10:10.50 | XenoX101 | I wonder what the sales of games would be like |
| 10:11.02 | XenoX101 | if all gaming companies made games for the PC |
| 10:11.11 | XenoX101 | whether the versatility of the PC would make for more sales |
| 10:11.16 | XenoX101 | cause more potential customers = more sales |
| 10:11.33 | onetwo | well it makes sense |
| 10:11.34 | XenoX101 | or, if the lack of the 'console confinement' of having say just an xbox 360 |
| 10:11.50 | XenoX101 | is more profitable in the long run |
| 10:11.52 | onetwo | spend loads of money developing 3 versions of your game for Wii, ps3, and Xbox with equally shitty controls |
| 10:12.02 | onetwo | or make one version for PC that has to deal with minor issues like gfx card differences |
| 10:12.05 | onetwo | ATI vs nvidia |
| 10:12.08 | XenoX101 | ya |
| 10:12.09 | onetwo | but have one market |
| 10:12.22 | XenoX101 | but the console confinement factor |
| 10:12.24 | onetwo | the best thing right now is iphone development |
| 10:12.26 | XenoX101 | is also important |
| 10:12.27 | onetwo | from a developer point of view |
| 10:12.29 | onetwo | one device |
| 10:12.39 | onetwo | essentially |
| 10:12.50 | onetwo | what do you mean confinement? |
| 10:12.56 | onetwo | like xbox only? |
| 10:12.56 | XenoX101 | well |
| 10:12.59 | XenoX101 | ya |
| 10:13.01 | RyanWin | anyone want to run a quick SCU test with me? |
| 10:13.01 | XenoX101 | if you have an xbox 360 |
| 10:13.03 | onetwo | woo, done 350 tooltips nwo |
| 10:13.06 | XenoX101 | and halo comes out, only for xbox |
| 10:13.15 | XenoX101 | its like 'well I might as well buy it' |
| 10:13.24 | XenoX101 | and naturally you will only be buying xbox games |
| 10:13.31 | XenoX101 | all of which probably pay a cut to microsoft |
| 10:13.56 | onetwo | yeah |
| 10:13.57 | onetwo | true |
| 10:14.00 | onetwo | k i gotta go sleep |
| 10:14.05 | onetwo | im gonna die after that much tooltips typing |
| 10:14.07 | onetwo | night man |
| 10:14.20 | RyanWin | night onetwo |
| 10:14.24 | onetwo | night |
| 10:14.55 | Clord | 12:15 and sun is burning this room |
| 10:14.56 | Clord | lol |
| 10:15.02 | Clord | it is winter so not really but oh well |
| 10:15.31 | RyanWin | definately winter here, about to get a foot of snow in st. louis |
| 10:18.17 | RyanWin | anyone want to help me run a quick test of SCU? |
| 10:20.59 | XenoX101 | SCU? |
| 10:22.22 | Xaragoth | not us, sorry ryan ^^ |
| 10:22.30 | Xaragoth | get an eu account already |
| 10:22.33 | Xaragoth | lazy bastards, all of you! |
| 10:22.46 | *** join/#sc2mapster Demone (bc6d220c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.109.34.12) |
| 10:22.51 | XenoX101 | I'm on SEA and US |
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| 10:30.55 | RyanWin | XenoX101 you want to help me test Starcraft Universe? aka World of Starcraft |
| 10:32.29 | XenoX101 | sure |
| 10:33.47 | XenoX101 | XenoX101.969 |
| 10:35.19 | RyanWin | 101? |
| 10:35.27 | XenoX101 | oops |
| 10:35.27 | RyanWin | thought numbers werent allowed |
| 10:35.29 | XenoX101 | I mean XenoX.969 |
| 10:35.31 | XenoX101 | sry |
| 10:35.34 | RyanWin | np |
| 10:36.39 | Xaragoth | bad habis |
| 10:36.41 | Xaragoth | *habits |
| 10:36.42 | Xaragoth | ^^ |
| 10:36.48 | Clord | so they changed name |
| 10:36.49 | Clord | lol |
| 10:37.42 | Xaragoth | hrm |
| 10:37.52 | Xaragoth | upon a closer look at what i'm doing in udk |
| 10:37.56 | Xaragoth | I realized... |
| 10:37.59 | Xaragoth | there are no cows in udk |
| 10:38.06 | Xaragoth | I think I need a wall decal |
| 10:38.12 | Xaragoth | "There is no cow ... level" |
| 10:44.41 | Clord | there is cliche in gaming stuff |
| 10:44.52 | Clord | 99.9% of NPC always tell the truth |
| 10:44.55 | Xaragoth | tell me about it |
| 10:45.23 | Xaragoth | actually ... 50% |
| 10:45.27 | Xaragoth | the other 50% want to kill you |
| 10:45.28 | Xaragoth | :p |
| 10:45.34 | Xaragoth | they don't talk |
| 10:48.02 | Clord | ^^ |
| 10:48.30 | Clord | yeah and even villains tell you their plans |
| 10:48.33 | Clord | to make sure to lose.. |
| 10:48.36 | Clord | and they never kill you |
| 10:48.39 | Clord | when they have chance |
| 10:48.51 | Xaragoth | would be fun |
| 10:48.53 | Xaragoth | to have a game |
| 10:49.00 | Xaragoth | where he is like "no, dirtyface, I won't tell you. |
| 10:49.04 | Xaragoth | and you loose |
| 10:49.05 | Xaragoth | D: |
| 10:49.28 | Clord | or NPC what intentionally lies.. tells to go north from first village |
| 10:49.30 | Clord | but in fact |
| 10:49.34 | Clord | real direction is south |
| 10:49.37 | Clord | and that so called normal NPC |
| 10:49.40 | Clord | is spy ^^ |
| 10:49.46 | Clord | working for that villain XD |
| 10:50.03 | Xaragoth | I still wanna see "The Crossing" done |
| 10:50.17 | Xaragoth | It sounded interesting that you can never be sure if the enemy is AI or a player |
| 10:50.21 | Xaragoth | because it connected sp & mp |
| 10:50.59 | Clord | first death note game is investigation like game or whatever that genre is called ^^ |
| 10:51.09 | Clord | you need sniff out other player |
| 10:51.11 | Clord | or AI |
| 10:51.17 | Clord | who is either L or Kira.. it is quite fun |
| 10:51.17 | Clord | XD |
| 10:51.51 | Clord | if we ignore questionable storyline of that game ^^ |
| 10:52.45 | Clord | it is basically.. real L desires to hold "kira game" to help real investigation |
| 10:52.49 | Clord | facepalm XD |
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| 10:54.43 | Clord | there is some curse for animes and movies turning to be bad games |
| 10:54.52 | Clord | one way or another |
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| 10:56.31 | Clord | I played PC version from start to end... terminator salvation or whatever |
| 10:56.32 | Clord | XD |
| 10:56.45 | Clord | it is game where over 90% times you are in cover |
| 10:56.45 | Clord | XD |
| 11:02.12 | Clord | it would have rocket if campaign was closer races real advancement ^^ |
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| 11:02.28 | Clord | protoss in canon is way stronger than in game itself lol |
| 11:05.00 | Clord | their ineffective way to combat is admitable by their ground troops |
| 11:05.14 | Clord | give them some guns and they would whoop the field |
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| 11:17.13 | Clord | lol blizzard dota |
| 11:17.13 | Clord | http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/L80ETC |
| 11:19.51 | Clord | honestly blizzard dota is kinda like crossover |
| 11:19.54 | Clord | of their own series |
| 11:20.37 | Clord | fel orc blademaster is even there lol |
| 11:20.51 | Clord | let's see if it is typical critical imba hero ^^ |
| 11:21.46 | Xaragoth | I'm dead s3rious that we can easily send that one flying |
| 11:21.52 | Xaragoth | so much that they'll have to feature it too |
| 11:21.52 | Xaragoth | :P |
| 11:22.47 | Clord | I still find it odd |
| 11:22.51 | Clord | zerg made armors for humans |
| 11:22.52 | Clord | lol |
| 11:22.58 | Xaragoth | heh |
| 11:23.09 | Xaragoth | I had a good laugh when they had to feature their maps |
| 11:23.28 | Xaragoth | If that isn't admitting that their pop-system wouldn't even let their maps get up, I don't know what is :p |
| 11:23.37 | Clord | they could give us that feature system too ^^ like let's say.. you can once per month feature one map for few days |
| 11:23.40 | Clord | top of page |
| 11:23.44 | Clord | XD |
| 11:30.24 | Hati | Xaragoth: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnqMnuO2crg |
| 11:32.28 | Xaragoth | lol |
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| 11:45.59 | Obatztrara | yo :) |
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| 12:26.34 | Clord | combat night thing.. amazing |
| 12:26.40 | Xaragoth | ye |
| 12:26.42 | Xaragoth | monday night combat |
| 12:26.44 | Clord | yeah |
| 12:26.45 | Clord | ^^ |
| 12:26.46 | Xaragoth | it's on my list |
| 12:26.50 | Xaragoth | right after rift pre-order ^^ |
| 12:27.05 | Xaragoth | assassin ftw <3 |
| 12:27.17 | Clord | it is like TF2 on crack lol ^^ but yeah... graphical style is similar but way better ^^ |
| 12:27.19 | Clord | lol |
| 12:27.30 | Clord | assassin is also fun class to play |
| 12:27.32 | Clord | :) |
| 12:27.41 | Clord | nothing like kill everything from back class |
| 12:28.10 | Xaragoth | I like the moves |
| 12:28.18 | Xaragoth | I hoped to see stuff like that in mp for a long time |
| 12:28.40 | Clord | graple like moves are nothing new in multiplayer but those are cool ^^ |
| 12:28.48 | Clord | visually |
| 12:29.01 | Xaragoth | ye |
| 12:29.10 | Xaragoth | mostly they're short moves |
| 12:29.11 | Clord | still they take it step further |
| 12:29.14 | Clord | you can actually stop those moves |
| 12:29.16 | Clord | ^^ |
| 12:29.21 | Clord | if ally saves you |
| 12:29.22 | Clord | in time |
| 12:29.24 | Xaragoth | heh |
| 12:29.35 | Clord | other games where I have seen similar system... target is always dead |
| 12:29.51 | Clord | but in this one it damages sycnhed with actual graple move ^^ |
| 12:30.47 | Clord | hehe let's not also forget rare thing called fruit fucker XD |
| 12:31.21 | Clord | many games due their ratings or something changed name of that bot :) |
| 12:31.31 | Clord | in poker night at the inventory it was called.. fruitfriend |
| 12:31.39 | Clord | in monday night combat.. called fruitbot |
| 12:31.40 | Clord | ^^ |
| 12:35.20 | Clord | hehe... assassin is true specialist to take target down ^^ |
| 12:35.36 | Clord | it is not class what is used to hide somewhere and waste team's time |
| 12:35.37 | Clord | ^^ |
| 12:35.44 | Clord | like in TF2 lol |
| 12:35.51 | Xaragoth | heh |
| 12:36.00 | Clord | it is.. take some non mainpath... then go to one hit finish |
| 12:36.03 | Clord | and cloak and run way |
| 12:36.05 | Clord | and repeat |
| 12:36.36 | Clord | it's insane damage also takes bots insanely fast down |
| 12:36.39 | Clord | those robot things |
| 12:40.11 | Xaragoth | http://nerfnow.com/comic/image/176 |
| 12:40.12 | Xaragoth | loooooooool |
| 12:40.23 | Xaragoth | Cake: 1 |
| 12:40.25 | Xaragoth | Spy: 0 |
| 12:45.46 | Clord | lol |
| 12:53.04 | Xaragoth | hrm ... MNC is 12 |
| 12:53.06 | Xaragoth | sounds good |
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| 13:35.52 | Te3-BloodyIron | anyone around? |
| 13:36.23 | Clord | Xaragoth... lol there is irony ^^ |
| 13:36.30 | Clord | unless you are lucky |
| 13:36.35 | Clord | bonuses are already gone |
| 13:37.02 | Clord | http://store.steampowered.com/app/63200/ |
| 13:37.02 | Clord | ooh |
| 13:37.05 | Clord | bonuses are still up |
| 13:37.06 | Clord | ^^ |
| 13:37.26 | Clord | then again those bonuses are crap |
| 13:37.33 | Clord | normal faces look way better in many case |
| 13:37.34 | Clord | cases |
| 13:44.02 | Te3-BloodyIron | is anyone up to help me with a trigger? |
| 13:45.18 | Clord | some simple thing? |
| 13:45.23 | Te3-BloodyIron | well |
| 13:45.37 | Te3-BloodyIron | i have a trigger that when it occurs it updates the value of an array |
| 13:45.44 | Te3-BloodyIron | and another trigger which reads the array periodically |
| 13:46.02 | Te3-BloodyIron | the periodic trigger, however, seems to be triggering the first trigger, which it shouldn't, instead of just reading hte array |
| 13:46.45 | Clord | I have not probably really touched to array stuff.... I'm old fashioned WCIII mapper ^^ |
| 13:46.47 | Clord | lol |
| 13:47.03 | Te3-BloodyIron | well, the point more is that it's supposed to just read the variable |
| 13:47.11 | Te3-BloodyIron | but instead it is triggering the other trigger to execute, when it shouldnt |
| 13:47.24 | Te3-BloodyIron | im trying to squash a bug which causes the first trigger to execute too much |
| 13:47.44 | Clord | oh you mean variables |
| 13:47.45 | Clord | ^^ |
| 13:47.48 | Clord | lol |
| 13:47.56 | Clord | I did need to check up what the hell array means in this case ^^ |
| 13:48.22 | Clord | array variable :) now I get it lol |
| 13:48.35 | Te3-BloodyIron | yup |
| 13:48.36 | Te3-BloodyIron | anyways |
| 13:48.48 | Clord | it would be easier to understand if you pastebin it somewhere |
| 13:48.49 | Clord | lol |
| 13:49.40 | Obatztrara | seems like a simple problem...whats the event that fires the first trigger? |
| 13:49.42 | Te3-BloodyIron | this is the first trigger |
| 13:49.42 | Te3-BloodyIron | http://pastebin.com/brycrdxb |
| 13:50.07 | Te3-BloodyIron | except the last 3 actions arent normally disabled, i just disabled them to troubleshoot |
| 13:50.50 | Te3-BloodyIron | http://pastebin.com/NxiXBtnB |
| 13:50.54 | Te3-BloodyIron | that is the second trigger |
| 13:51.17 | Clord | errm that looks like it should work.. that first one |
| 13:51.23 | Te3-BloodyIron | yeah |
| 13:51.32 | Te3-BloodyIron | when i right click to move, it typically executes 2 or 3 times |
| 13:51.41 | Te3-BloodyIron | and also when the second one executes it causes the first to execute, yet again |
| 13:51.45 | Te3-BloodyIron | so it's adding up :X |
| 13:52.25 | Clord | eachplayer is zero |
| 13:52.28 | Clord | player zero |
| 13:52.31 | Clord | that is neutral passive XD |
| 13:52.44 | Te3-BloodyIron | that's the initial value |
| 13:52.47 | Te3-BloodyIron | should i start it at 1? |
| 13:53.10 | Te3-BloodyIron | and also, the "for each" only does it for "active players" so i dont know why neutral would be included in there |
| 13:54.20 | Clord | that looks odd way to implement it |
| 13:54.28 | Te3-BloodyIron | how so? |
| 13:55.09 | Clord | why not use pick each player one |
| 13:55.10 | Clord | XD |
| 13:55.28 | Te3-BloodyIron | not sure, this is just a solution i found, and it worked at the time |
| 13:55.28 | Clord | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:55.39 | Te3-BloodyIron | ill try that in a sec |
| 13:55.42 | Clord | it still does them one by one |
| 13:55.43 | Dogmai | hey guys |
| 13:55.45 | Clord | that way :) |
| 13:55.48 | Dogmai | where can i download the mod left2die |
| 13:56.01 | Clord | open... |
| 13:56.02 | Dogmai | dont say in editor |
| 13:56.03 | Clord | battle.net bat |
| 13:56.05 | Clord | tab |
| 13:56.16 | Clord | anyways |
| 13:56.21 | Clord | one guy gave them in forum |
| 13:56.22 | Clord | to download |
| 13:56.53 | Clord | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/general/general-chat/17712-blizzard-releases-3-4-custom-blizz-con-maps/#p11 |
| 13:56.54 | Clord | ^^ |
| 13:57.03 | Te3-BloodyIron | they released left2die to edit? wicked |
| 13:57.31 | Obatztrara | na, just the mod |
| 13:57.36 | Obatztrara | with the models etc |
| 13:57.55 | Te3-BloodyIron | so how is that different from what i asked? |
| 13:58.02 | Obatztrara | mod =! map |
| 13:58.03 | Dogmai | actually |
| 13:58.04 | Clord | you can download those mod files via editor too |
| 13:58.08 | Dogmai | you can download the map |
| 13:58.10 | Dogmai | and edit the map as well |
| 13:58.23 | Clord | you can download mod and map files via editor |
| 13:58.25 | Te3-BloodyIron | isn't a mod a grander scale than just a map? |
| 13:58.28 | Clord | blizzard didn't protect them |
| 13:58.36 | Obatztrara | gl publishing your edited vers though |
| 13:58.49 | Clord | it is possible... just use more mods |
| 13:58.54 | Clord | as long you have free slots |
| 13:58.55 | Clord | ^^ |
| 13:58.56 | Obatztrara | a mod is basically a collection of data assets that any map may use |
| 13:59.52 | Dogmai | you know what i hate |
| 13:59.55 | Dogmai | what i really fucken hate |
| 14:00.06 | Dogmai | how many shit ass noob cunt maps there are |
| 14:00.13 | Dogmai | that are just copies of maps in starcraft 1 |
| 14:00.27 | Dogmai | like shitty copies made by kids who werent even old enough to play sc when the original maps were made |
| 14:01.03 | Dogmai | things like million zerglings |
| 14:01.07 | Clord | some people lack even basic creativity... and many of them don't understand what they want to play when they create their map (cardcraft) |
| 14:01.07 | Clord | XD |
| 14:01.08 | Dogmai | fastest map ever |
| 14:01.10 | Dogmai | shit like that |
| 14:01.14 | Te3-BloodyIron | lol like fastests ever? |
| 14:01.35 | Clord | :) |
| 14:01.52 | Clord | or more like... |
| 14:02.04 | Clord | many who do those complex maps has no idea what others would like to play |
| 14:02.09 | Clord | or simply ignore that fact |
| 14:04.11 | Clord | whateva ^^ |
| 14:04.26 | Clord | me press buttons and things go boom! |
| 14:04.36 | Clord | me do this map with 999 damage zerglings because it is cool number |
| 14:04.38 | Clord | >_> |
| 14:05.01 | Obatztrara | btw Te3-BloodyIron what are you trying do to with that code fragment you posted? |
| 14:05.08 | Obatztrara | ite smees a little over complicated :o |
| 14:05.08 | Clord | ^^ |
| 14:05.11 | Te3-BloodyIron | which part, trigger 1 or 2? |
| 14:05.16 | Obatztrara | the whole thing |
| 14:05.19 | Obatztrara | whats the purpose |
| 14:05.36 | Te3-BloodyIron | hold on, phone call (at work, lol) |
| 14:05.40 | Obatztrara | k :D |
| 14:05.48 | Clord | he tries to do worm movement system |
| 14:05.50 | Clord | you know |
| 14:05.52 | Clord | you order head |
| 14:05.56 | Clord | and other stuff follow |
| 14:06.00 | Obatztrara | ah |
| 14:06.08 | Te3-BloodyIron | yeah that's pretty much it, shhhh |
| 14:06.53 | Obatztrara | I fail to see where the ac tual following goes on: only the heads are ordered around? |
| 14:07.47 | Clord | well... I assume he got no problem with that yet or has not even started |
| 14:08.01 | Clord | to make following "logic" |
| 14:08.02 | Clord | XD |
| 14:09.40 | Te3-BloodyIron | so clord |
| 14:09.46 | Te3-BloodyIron | i just realized why i used that for statement |
| 14:10.12 | Te3-BloodyIron | because i had another array which pointed to each player's unit, which needed increment per player too |
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| 14:10.46 | Te3-BloodyIron | so the different action you suggested didnt work :( |
| 14:11.40 | Clord | I think you try to do it too complex way |
| 14:11.47 | Obatztrara | then post that trigger please...for the one you posted clord' action would certainly be better |
| 14:11.47 | Te3-BloodyIron | Obatztrara: yeah these triggers are strictly dealing with the heads |
| 14:12.13 | Te3-BloodyIron | the second trigger is designed to keep the worm head moving |
| 14:12.31 | Te3-BloodyIron | to give the illusion that the worm can't stop |
| 14:12.33 | Obatztrara | how many worms are there maximum? |
| 14:12.36 | Te3-BloodyIron | 12 |
| 14:12.45 | Obatztrara | have you considered threading the worm movement? |
| 14:12.51 | Te3-BloodyIron | perhaps |
| 14:13.02 | Te3-BloodyIron | right now i'm dealing with small scale stuff and it's executing way too much |
| 14:13.11 | Obatztrara | this may be way easier using threads |
| 14:13.25 | Obatztrara | and the way you#re doing it fires a shitload of events |
| 14:14.16 | Te3-BloodyIron | well it certainly is firing more than i wanted, more than it suggests |
| 14:15.04 | Obatztrara | I would create an actiondefinition which handles the movement for each worm that is created |
| 14:15.11 | Obatztrara | as a parameter you give it the worm (unit) |
| 14:15.19 | Obatztrara | set it to be a thread |
| 14:15.23 | Obatztrara | form that point on |
| 14:15.32 | Obatztrara | you just periodically order the worm to go wherever you want |
| 14:15.42 | Obatztrara | you can even add random realistic behaviour |
| 14:15.44 | Te3-BloodyIron | im not familiar with how to do this |
| 14:15.51 | Obatztrara | k |
| 14:16.05 | Obatztrara | if you want i can guide you through the basic stuff step by step |
| 14:16.18 | Obatztrara | action definitions are very useful for every trigger.user anyways :) |
| 14:16.45 | Te3-BloodyIron | i imagine i have to write script to do this? |
| 14:16.55 | Obatztrara | nooo :) |
| 14:17.10 | Obatztrara | richtclick and add a new actiondefinition |
| 14:17.28 | Te3-BloodyIron | ahh |
| 14:17.37 | Obatztrara | ill write up the code, posting it in a minute |
| 14:17.40 | Te3-BloodyIron | is there a tutorial i could read as an intro then come back to you? |
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| 14:17.45 | Te3-BloodyIron | visuals are nice :P |
| 14:17.50 | Obatztrara | sec |
| 14:17.52 | Te3-BloodyIron | thx <3 |
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| 14:21.34 | Obatztrara | ok, I have written a basic behaviour...I'm aware its in german...but i think you'll get the idea |
| 14:21.46 | Obatztrara | uh second |
| 14:21.56 | Te3-BloodyIron | ahh nuts it is script! :P |
| 14:22.00 | Obatztrara | http://pastebin.com/EBgeDyD5 |
| 14:22.10 | Helral|Work | Obatztrara: hit ctrl+d and copy again ;p (raw data) |
| 14:22.20 | Obatztrara | I considered that |
| 14:22.22 | Helral|Work | it will be english all of a sudden :) |
| 14:22.28 | Obatztrara | but i think for a beginner its even harder ;o |
| 14:22.30 | Shawn|Rawr | I dont understand german |
| 14:22.33 | Obatztrara | hmmmmkkkay |
| 14:22.34 | Obatztrara | ;) |
| 14:22.47 | Helral|Work | I don't understand you ;p |
| 14:22.50 | Te3-BloodyIron | shall i wait for the english version then? |
| 14:22.54 | Helral|Work | lol |
| 14:23.11 | Shawn|Rawr | I don't need it. I was just informing him |
| 14:23.30 | Obatztrara | k |
| 14:23.32 | Obatztrara | http://pastebin.com/NuXYtdnp |
| 14:23.36 | Obatztrara | its not all english sadly |
| 14:23.39 | Obatztrara | but for the upper part |
| 14:23.53 | Obatztrara | the order of things is the same and the only two things you need are these two: |
| 14:23.54 | Te3-BloodyIron | thx ;D |
| 14:24.06 | Obatztrara | set the parameter to be a unit, give it a name like Worm or something |
| 14:24.14 | Obatztrara | set the action to create a thread |
| 14:24.23 | Obatztrara | thats among the flags at the very top |
| 14:24.58 | Obatztrara | now, you may be wondering how to actually use this |
| 14:25.30 | Obatztrara | just click to create a new action and in the search fild type the name of your action definition |
| 14:25.33 | Obatztrara | and thats all :) |
| 14:26.13 | Obatztrara | trust me, eventually you'll be using action definitions more than triggers ;D |
| 14:28.07 | Te3-BloodyIron | reading this action definition |
| 14:28.59 | Helral|Work | meows |
| 14:29.15 | Clord | lol |
| 14:29.17 | Clord | cat got in |
| 14:29.46 | Obatztrara | this cats doesnt need milk it needs triggers :) |
| 14:29.47 | Te3-BloodyIron | what is the parameter wormUnit for? is that a local variable? |
| 14:29.48 | Obatztrara | cat* |
| 14:29.48 | Helral|Work | stalks about the channel |
| 14:30.15 | Obatztrara | a paramater is what you pass over to the action definition |
| 14:30.22 | Obatztrara | it will save it locally |
| 14:30.22 | Te3-BloodyIron | ahh right |
| 14:30.48 | Obatztrara | its basically a local variable, but you set it when callin the action def. |
| 14:30.56 | Te3-BloodyIron | im still kind of uhh confused, how do action definitions behave? |
| 14:31.14 | Obatztrara | simply put |
| 14:31.24 | Obatztrara | they are a collection of actions (normal ones) |
| 14:31.34 | Obatztrara | but you can give them special variables to work with |
| 14:31.54 | Obatztrara | what I had in mind was this |
| 14:32.27 | Obatztrara | whenever one of your worms is created you would add an action ControlWormBehaviour(Last Created Unit) |
| 14:32.38 | Obatztrara | where ControlWormBehaviour is your action def. |
| 14:32.41 | Te3-BloodyIron | ahh a wait timer, nice |
| 14:33.05 | Te3-BloodyIron | how do i do that? |
| 14:33.12 | Obatztrara | the action def. can do everything a normal trigger would be able to |
| 14:33.37 | Obatztrara | the same you'd do it in normal triggers |
| 14:34.01 | Te3-BloodyIron | how do i attach these behaviors to a worm though? |
| 14:34.08 | Te3-BloodyIron | is what confuses me |
| 14:34.11 | Obatztrara | ok |
| 14:34.23 | Obatztrara | step by step |
| 14:34.34 | Obatztrara | click to add a new action |
| 14:34.42 | Obatztrara | (somewhere, just for testing purposes) |
| 14:34.53 | Obatztrara | now, search for your action definition (in the search bar) |
| 14:35.12 | Obatztrara | you should be able to set the paramater for the action def. |
| 14:35.28 | Obatztrara | set the parameter to be last created unit/or however you access youw worm |
| 14:35.30 | Obatztrara | your* |
| 14:35.51 | Te3-BloodyIron | hmmmm neat |
| 14:35.55 | Obatztrara | :) |
| 14:36.04 | Obatztrara | did you set the thing to be a trhead? |
| 14:36.04 | Te3-BloodyIron | im slowly getting this :P |
| 14:36.10 | Te3-BloodyIron | trhead? |
| 14:36.18 | Obatztrara | yes, this is needed |
| 14:36.23 | Te3-BloodyIron | what is a trhead? |
| 14:36.26 | Obatztrara | :D |
| 14:36.28 | Obatztrara | ok |
| 14:36.46 | Obatztrara | you know how your trigger is like a process |
| 14:36.51 | Obatztrara | its exectued one by one |
| 14:36.55 | Obatztrara | until its done |
| 14:37.01 | Obatztrara | a thread is the same thing |
| 14:37.05 | Obatztrara | a seperate process |
| 14:37.12 | Te3-BloodyIron | yeah i understand the distinction for threads |
| 14:37.16 | Obatztrara | ok :) |
| 14:37.19 | Te3-BloodyIron | oh |
| 14:37.21 | Te3-BloodyIron | THREAD |
| 14:37.23 | Te3-BloodyIron | you mis spelt it |
| 14:37.32 | Te3-BloodyIron | :P |
| 14:37.33 | Obatztrara | ohh lol |
| 14:37.34 | Obatztrara | my bad |
| 14:37.41 | Te3-BloodyIron | totally threw me off |
| 14:37.49 | Obatztrara | did you find the flag in the act. def.? |
| 14:37.51 | Te3-BloodyIron | but yeah i set it to be a thread right away (after seeing it was available) |
| 14:37.53 | Te3-BloodyIron | yeah |
| 14:37.56 | Obatztrara | good |
| 14:38.01 | Te3-BloodyIron | selected options, checked off "create thread" |
| 14:38.05 | Te3-BloodyIron | good to go (i think?) |
| 14:38.11 | Obatztrara | if you wouldnt do that, do you know what would happen? |
| 14:38.16 | Obatztrara | :P |
| 14:38.20 | Te3-BloodyIron | lol it would choke one thread on the system |
| 14:38.46 | Obatztrara | the trigger would get stuck, because it would enter the action definition and never leave |
| 14:38.48 | Te3-BloodyIron | i like this while statement more anyways, probably going to be more efficient |
| 14:38.49 | Obatztrara | until the worm dies |
| 14:38.53 | Obatztrara | yep |
| 14:39.05 | Te3-BloodyIron | lol that's wierd |
| 14:39.08 | Obatztrara | ;) |
| 14:39.16 | Obatztrara | you'll get the hang for things like that eventually |
| 14:39.20 | Te3-BloodyIron | but i think i understand whyt hat happens |
| 14:39.39 | Obatztrara | some random ideas regarding your worm thing |
| 14:39.48 | Obatztrara | you could add random behaviour to the thread |
| 14:40.03 | Obatztrara | like if random integeer = 1 then go north, else south |
| 14:40.13 | Te3-BloodyIron | i dont want the worm to randomly switch directions though |
| 14:40.13 | Obatztrara | all the worms would be doing different stuff |
| 14:40.18 | Obatztrara | ooh ok :) |
| 14:40.18 | Te3-BloodyIron | that seems counter to what the user would expect |
| 14:40.32 | Obatztrara | k, I have no clue what you'Ãre up to...was just an idea :D |
| 14:40.32 | Te3-BloodyIron | the reason im doing this is because i want to make it so the worm can't stop |
| 14:40.37 | Te3-BloodyIron | no worries :P |
| 14:40.39 | Obatztrara | k |
| 14:40.44 | Obatztrara | in that case |
| 14:40.52 | Te3-BloodyIron | it's like riding a missile, you can just aim it |
| 14:41.00 | Obatztrara | you may wanna hand the initial direction over as a paramater |
| 14:41.08 | Obatztrara | so the worm knows where to head to |
| 14:41.14 | Te3-BloodyIron | yeah, figuring that out now |
| 14:41.21 | Obatztrara | ok, im focus on my stuff then :D |
| 14:41.25 | Obatztrara | ima* |
| 14:41.29 | Te3-BloodyIron | the first trigger from earlier |
| 14:41.36 | Te3-BloodyIron | determines the angle and position of the last move order |
| 14:41.59 | Te3-BloodyIron | the original design of the second trigger was to take this and re-issue the command based on those variables |
| 14:42.05 | Te3-BloodyIron | which would be updated every time a move order was issued |
| 14:42.17 | Te3-BloodyIron | can this action definition read variables outside of it's scope? |
| 14:42.20 | Obatztrara | yes |
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| 14:42.23 | Obatztrara | global ones |
| 14:42.30 | Te3-BloodyIron | kay |
| 14:42.39 | Te3-BloodyIron | then i dont think i need to pass that as a parameter to it |
| 14:42.44 | Obatztrara | yea |
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| 14:42.52 | Te3-BloodyIron | just the unit it's referencing |
| 14:43.04 | Te3-BloodyIron | although, i do need to pass the player number...... |
| 14:43.57 | Obatztrara | nope |
| 14:44.04 | Obatztrara | you can always use owner of unit |
| 14:44.15 | Te3-BloodyIron | ohhh |
| 14:44.16 | Te3-BloodyIron | hmmm neat |
| 14:44.27 | Obatztrara | but |
| 14:44.35 | Obatztrara | when passing parameters |
| 14:44.47 | Obatztrara | its not neccessary a bad thing to pass the player number over |
| 14:45.02 | Obatztrara | because everytime you need the player you have to use owner of unit |
| 14:45.15 | Obatztrara | where as passing the paramater is actually very little additiona effort |
| 14:45.23 | Obatztrara | but meh |
| 14:45.45 | Obatztrara | thats really mostly for perfectionists ;) |
| 14:46.41 | Te3-BloodyIron | which uses less cycles? |
| 14:46.46 | Te3-BloodyIron | because i like efficiency |
| 14:46.57 | Obatztrara | I cant guarantee this...but |
| 14:47.15 | Te3-BloodyIron | efficiency means older systems can play more |
| 14:47.25 | Obatztrara | if you use owner of unit 10 times to get the player number, it will be better to hand it as paramater in the first place |
| 14:47.35 | Obatztrara | but really |
| 14:47.42 | Obatztrara | the difference is marginal |
| 14:49.30 | Te3-BloodyIron | yeah but if you add lots of margins together you eventually run out of page space ;D |
| 14:50.23 | Obatztrara | ;-) |
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| 14:53.16 | Te3-BloodyIron | so |
| 14:53.19 | Te3-BloodyIron | from a logical standpoint |
| 14:53.51 | Te3-BloodyIron | when a new unit is created and this action is fed the parameter of the unit, does it create seperate logical instances of this action per unit? |
| 14:54.18 | Obatztrara | yes |
| 14:54.31 | Obatztrara | thats whats so great about it |
| 14:54.43 | Te3-BloodyIron | so wouldn't it naturally be best to pass player number at time of creation? |
| 14:54.56 | Obatztrara | exactly |
| 14:55.18 | Obatztrara | note that you cant set paramaters later on |
| 14:55.23 | Obatztrara | you have to do it on creation+ |
| 14:55.40 | Nash|327 | kittuns |
| 14:56.22 | Te3-BloodyIron | yeah |
| 15:08.40 | Clord | I have shitloads of decks to do ^^ |
| 15:09.57 | Obatztrara | if a player leaves the game and we use that event to execute actions |
| 15:10.13 | Obatztrara | is that executed before his ressources are split between his team? |
| 15:10.25 | Clord | lol worm boss in THE Card Game would be hilarious to see ^^ |
| 15:11.47 | Nash|327 | It's always THE Card Game. |
| 15:12.10 | Nash|327 | Self-important much? D: |
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| 15:21.47 | Te3-BloodyIron | i think im getting the hang of this action definition, getting close to testing it |
| 15:22.20 | Obatztrara | :) |
| 15:22.35 | Te3-BloodyIron | so |
| 15:22.37 | Te3-BloodyIron | for the first trigger |
| 15:23.00 | Te3-BloodyIron | where it re-issues the move command, if it detects a move command is issued, will that perform better if it is made to be an action definition? |
| 15:23.15 | Te3-BloodyIron | because the other issue was it was executing 2-3 times when the move command was sent by player |
| 15:26.10 | Helral|Work | check the event stage ;p if it's set to any it will trigger 7 times orso. |
| 15:26.12 | Obatztrara | if its only called once, yes |
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| 15:26.42 | Te3-BloodyIron | event stage? |
| 15:26.51 | Helral|Work | if you're using an ability event. |
| 15:27.02 | Te3-BloodyIron | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:27.06 | Helral|Work | order event then no need to check it. |
| 15:27.07 | Helral|Work | :) |
| 15:27.10 | Obatztrara | may have stages though |
| 15:27.12 | Helral|Work | uhm |
| 15:27.21 | Obatztrara | maybe this is why it fired 2-3 times for him |
| 15:27.26 | Hati | oh no its helral |
| 15:27.30 | Helral|Work | Unit - Any Unit is issued an order, I assume. |
| 15:27.34 | Helral|Work | the worms also trigger it |
| 15:27.38 | Te3-BloodyIron | conditions |
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| 15:27.42 | Te3-BloodyIron | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:27.45 | Te3-BloodyIron | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:27.50 | Helral|Work | :) |
| 15:27.53 | Te3-BloodyIron | those conditions didn't cut down on the firing :X |
| 15:28.16 | Helral|Work | event will fire, but will fail at the conditions for the worms then I guess. |
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| 15:28.39 | Te3-BloodyIron | but when i right click to move the worm head |
| 15:28.44 | Te3-BloodyIron | is when it fires 3 times (or 2) |
| 15:29.04 | Te3-BloodyIron | could it be triggering itself? |
| 15:29.16 | casperb | ability event? |
| 15:29.18 | Te3-BloodyIron | because there are some times where it eventually keeps firing continually |
| 15:29.24 | Te3-BloodyIron | order to move |
| 15:29.28 | Helral|Work | hmmmm |
| 15:29.40 | Helral|Work | check if you don't order the head to move again in the trigger. |
| 15:29.45 | casperb | order should only fire once o.o¨ |
| 15:30.24 | Te3-BloodyIron | lol yeah it sends it as an order |
| 15:30.25 | Te3-BloodyIron | :X |
| 15:30.29 | Te3-BloodyIron | in the trigger |
| 15:30.32 | Helral|Work | casperb: not if he has --> Issue Order "Move" (Worm Head) to .... |
| 15:30.33 | Te3-BloodyIron | so it is likely looping itself? |
| 15:30.45 | Te3-BloodyIron | the last action is |
| 15:30.45 | Te3-BloodyIron | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:30.59 | Helral|Work | then it's triggering itself. |
| 15:31.05 | Te3-BloodyIron | crap |
| 15:31.17 | Te3-BloodyIron | and if i made it an action definition instead? it could likely do the same thing? |
| 15:31.28 | Helral|Work | this might be a reason to use ability event instead fo order event. |
| 15:32.48 | Te3-BloodyIron | hmmm indeed |
| 15:33.05 | Helral|Work | Event - Ability Used Move Stage Execute |
| 15:33.06 | Te3-BloodyIron | although wait |
| 15:33.09 | Te3-BloodyIron | in my testing |
| 15:33.17 | Te3-BloodyIron | i disabled the instruction to "unit - order" |
| 15:33.26 | Te3-BloodyIron | in an attempt to determine what was causing it |
| 15:33.32 | Helral|Work | hmmm |
| 15:33.33 | casperb | move doesn't have an execute stage afaik |
| 15:33.34 | Te3-BloodyIron | and it still fires 2-3 times (i think?) |
| 15:33.34 | wOlfLinG | The fact that we watched this in german says a lot about why brits suck at foriegn languages :/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbnkgeH26EU |
| 15:33.35 | Te3-BloodyIron | let me double check |
| 15:33.40 | casperb | its wierd like attack |
| 15:36.12 | Te3-BloodyIron | lol yeah im pretty sure that was causing an infinite loop |
| 15:36.17 | Te3-BloodyIron | gonna try ability |
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| 15:36.53 | Te3-BloodyIron | oh |
| 15:36.53 | Te3-BloodyIron | wait |
| 15:37.02 | Te3-BloodyIron | when it's "event - ability used" does that include right click? |
| 15:37.13 | Helral|Work | yeah |
| 15:37.17 | Te3-BloodyIron | oh dip! |
| 15:37.27 | Helral|Work | why? |
| 15:37.33 | Te3-BloodyIron | would it be more efficient though to make it into a threaded action definition? |
| 15:37.43 | Hati | wOlfLinG: school? |
| 15:37.53 | wOlfLinG | yup |
| 15:38.01 | wOlfLinG | Most epic german lesson eve rthough :D |
| 15:38.13 | Helral|Work | Te3-BloodyIron: don't think so. |
| 15:38.20 | Te3-BloodyIron | oh alright |
| 15:38.22 | Hati | ... omg ... ok we watched Little Britan; King of Queens in English lessons but that ... |
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| 15:40.33 | wOlfLinG | Well I watched 'Shaun of the Dead' a few weeks ago in english :D |
| 15:40.53 | Te3-BloodyIron | is this channel mostly german? :O |
| 15:41.13 | wOlfLinG | don't think so :/ |
| 15:41.20 | wOlfLinG | I'm english for one... |
| 15:41.59 | Helral|Work | neh |
| 15:42.08 | Helral|Work | mostly Dutch. *muhahahaha* |
| 15:42.47 | Te3-BloodyIron | well one thing is certain, this channel sure is helpful! |
| 15:42.53 | Te3-BloodyIron | thx so far folks! :D |
| 15:44.04 | Te3-BloodyIron | tumbleweeds |
| 15:44.07 | Te3-BloodyIron | @_@ |
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| 15:44.30 | Helral|Work | meows |
| 15:44.41 | Helral|Work | we dutch cats rule this channel |
| 15:46.23 | Te3-BloodyIron | onoes! |
| 15:46.34 | Te3-BloodyIron | switching to check for unit ability causes catastrophic failure! |
| 15:46.42 | Helral|Work | hmmm |
| 15:46.50 | Helral|Work | what happen? ;p |
| 15:47.20 | Te3-BloodyIron | let me investigate further |
| 15:47.27 | Helral|Work | LastOrderAngle failed? ;p |
| 15:47.39 | Te3-BloodyIron | yes |
| 15:47.42 | Te3-BloodyIron | :X |
| 15:47.54 | Helral|Work | you now need to use ability target ;p |
| 15:49.12 | Te3-BloodyIron | kay ill try that |
| 15:49.14 | Te3-BloodyIron | ack he left |
| 15:50.47 | Obatztrara | he will be back :D |
| 15:50.54 | Te3-BloodyIron | I'll hold you to that ;D |
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| 15:55.58 | XenoX101 | hello |
| 15:57.34 | Obatztrara | hey Xeno |
| 15:58.06 | XenoX101 | sup |
| 16:00.41 | Obatztrara | not much...having issues with blizzards hero icons... |
| 16:01.43 | XenoX101 | I see |
| 16:03.59 | Nash|327 | KITTUN BAG |
| 16:04.23 | Te3-BloodyIron | oh god it loops even worse! |
| 16:04.37 | Te3-BloodyIron | second ability issued loops infinitely |
| 16:05.13 | Te3-BloodyIron | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:06.23 | casperb | paste the code |
| 16:06.33 | casperb | note, paste as in pastie |
| 16:06.37 | casperb | or whatever service |
| 16:07.19 | Te3-BloodyIron | http://pastebin.com/GiU6jAMC |
| 16:07.29 | Te3-BloodyIron | i disabled a few things, and added the text to the items that were disabled |
| 16:07.36 | Te3-BloodyIron | i disabled them so i could keep it as reference |
| 16:09.14 | casperb | uhm triggering unit? |
| 16:09.22 | casperb | Unit - (Triggering unit) uses Move at Generic1 - Any stage (Ignore shared abilities) |
| 16:09.32 | Te3-BloodyIron | what about it? |
| 16:09.48 | casperb | should just put null |
| 16:10.07 | casperb | i.e Any Unit in GUI |
| 16:11.07 | casperb | EventUnit() is most likely returning null when you are registering the event, but it's the wrong thing to do :p |
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| 16:11.35 | casperb | anyways that will recurse |
| 16:11.49 | casperb | you need another check |
| 16:12.09 | casperb | like unless unit is already moving to where i want it to move |
| 16:12.15 | casperb | then issue order |
| 16:12.19 | Te3-BloodyIron | but i have 2 conditions t.t |
| 16:12.28 | Te3-BloodyIron | i have another trigger to re-issue |
| 16:12.36 | RoarMan | Sup casperb |
| 16:12.41 | RoarMan | hey bloodyiron |
| 16:12.42 | Te3-BloodyIron | i want to allow the player to change the direction though |
| 16:12.46 | Te3-BloodyIron | hey RoarMan o.O? |
| 16:12.52 | RoarMan | Just sayinh hai |
| 16:12.52 | RoarMan | :D |
| 16:13.02 | casperb | Te3-BloodyIron: normal queue will work as normal |
| 16:13.12 | Te3-BloodyIron | yeah that doesn't fix the looping :( |
| 16:13.16 | Te3-BloodyIron | come again? |
| 16:13.53 | casperb | Why are you doing this anyways? |
| 16:14.22 | Te3-BloodyIron | okay so this is how it works |
| 16:14.37 | Te3-BloodyIron | when a player issues a move command it grabs generates two variables |
| 16:14.42 | Te3-BloodyIron | the location of the order, then the angle |
| 16:14.51 | Te3-BloodyIron | then i want it to re-issue the order in the same direction, but a farther distance |
| 16:14.54 | casperb | yeah i can tell what it's doing just wondering the why |
| 16:15.06 | Te3-BloodyIron | then another trigger (or something equivalent) re-issues the command periodically in the same fashion |
| 16:15.17 | Te3-BloodyIron | this way it creates the illusion the unit doesn't stop |
| 16:15.32 | Te3-BloodyIron | because i don't want the unit to stop, i want the player to only be able to steer it |
| 16:15.49 | Te3-BloodyIron | it's a chaotic element i want to intentionally build into the game |
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| 16:15.58 | casperb | the unit is never supposed to stop? |
| 16:16.06 | Te3-BloodyIron | correct |
| 16:16.13 | casperb | might just want to do it as a behaviour then |
| 16:16.22 | casperb | periodically issue order to move facing + 50 |
| 16:16.40 | Te3-BloodyIron | i think i was in the middle of doing that for the periodic part |
| 16:16.51 | Te3-BloodyIron | right now im trying tofigure out how to do it for when a player issues a move command |
| 16:16.54 | Te3-BloodyIron | in some fashion |
| 16:16.57 | slightlyrandom1 | What kind of terrain are you moving in ? |
| 16:17.08 | Te3-BloodyIron | just plain flat, how is that relevant though? |
| 16:17.15 | slightlyrandom1 | I did something like this |
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| 16:17.31 | slightlyrandom1 | Click in a direction, unit keeps moving that way until it reaches edge of "map" |
| 16:17.54 | slightlyrandom1 | Or rather, I issued a move order to the intersection between move order direction and edge |
| 16:18.28 | slightlyrandom1 | Would that be useful ? |
| 16:18.40 | Te3-BloodyIron | hmm maybe |
| 16:18.55 | Te3-BloodyIron | i dont know how to set that up though :X |
| 16:19.09 | casperb | Issue with intercepting orders is that you can't replace one |
| 16:19.13 | casperb | first in last out |
| 16:19.21 | slightlyrandom1 | http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/creepy-crawlers/ |
| 16:19.24 | slightlyrandom1 | Well, it worked for me |
| 16:19.40 | slightlyrandom1 | I caught a snag on something else, but that's besides the point :P |
| 16:19.59 | casperb | So two approaches off the top of my head |
| 16:20.02 | casperb | A, behaviour |
| 16:20.06 | casperb | always move the facing direction |
| 16:20.28 | casperb | b. ability effect target -> issue order -> move |
| 16:20.43 | casperb | periodic effect for offset in there too |
| 16:20.47 | Te3-BloodyIron | it would seem a is better, but i dont know how to set that up just yet :X |
| 16:20.51 | casperb | but that's details :p |
| 16:20.52 | slightlyrandom1 | Periodics are shit |
| 16:21.25 | slightlyrandom1 | My solution involves trigonometry, but you can just steal the stuff I did |
| 16:21.33 | casperb | lawl |
| 16:22.01 | slightlyrandom1 | Working with math in the editor is hideous |
| 16:22.18 | casperb | nvidia dds utils still don't support x64 :S |
| 16:22.59 | casperb | Does this thing look to much like a halo warthog? :P http://i.imgur.com/ANIL8.jpg |
| 16:24.31 | slightlyrandom1 | What will you do if I say yes? |
| 16:24.58 | casperb | nothing |
| 16:25.13 | XenoX101 | Then no. |
| 16:25.15 | XenoX101 | jk |
| 16:26.15 | Obatztrara | actually it kinda does imo |
| 16:26.41 | XenoX101 | ya it does |
| 16:26.46 | XenoX101 | I was kidding ;p |
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| 16:27.37 | casperb | used weta's reproduction as a reference so |
| 16:27.38 | Te3-BloodyIron | it's not really about the angular calculation, more that it's looping infinitely :X |
| 16:28.05 | Te3-BloodyIron | how do i define behavior then? as you were saying |
| 16:29.05 | RoarMan | Using a condition |
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| 16:29.15 | Verethragna | hi |
| 16:29.30 | Te3-BloodyIron | condition definition? |
| 16:29.30 | RoarMan | Sup brah |
| 16:29.31 | Te3-BloodyIron | or? |
| 16:29.38 | RoarMan | A comparision |
| 16:29.44 | RoarMan | You wanna check for a certain behavior right? |
| 16:29.59 | Te3-BloodyIron | umm not quite |
| 16:30.07 | RoarMan | Oh |
| 16:31.25 | Griffith` | whats the current method of exporting 3dsmax models into sc2 |
| 16:31.50 | casperb | nin's toolset |
| 16:32.07 | Griffith` | link? |
| 16:32.10 | casperb | forums |
| 16:32.31 | Griffith` | no results found |
| 16:32.46 | casperb | third party tools |
| 16:32.48 | casperb | it's a sticky |
| 16:32.57 | Griffith` | mp3 exhttp://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/m3-export-plugin-3ds-max/ this one? |
| 16:33.00 | Te3-BloodyIron | casperb: any thoughts on my situation? |
| 16:33.14 | casperb | Griffith`: yeah |
| 16:33.20 | casperb | Te3-BloodyIron: Where are you at now? :P |
| 16:33.37 | Obatztrara | wow, the sc2mapster channel on bnet is deserted |
| 16:33.44 | Obatztrara | and i thought it would rather kill this one |
| 16:33.46 | Te3-BloodyIron | so i tried switching the event "unit order" to "unit ability" |
| 16:33.49 | Te3-BloodyIron | and it loops even worse |
| 16:33.58 | Te3-BloodyIron | im pretty sure it launched an ICBM in the process |
| 16:34.00 | casperb | well like i said, if the movement is constant |
| 16:34.07 | casperb | i would do it as a behaviour |
| 16:34.11 | casperb | behavior* |
| 16:34.13 | Te3-BloodyIron | yeah |
| 16:34.15 | Te3-BloodyIron | im not sure how to do that |
| 16:34.15 | Te3-BloodyIron | :X |
| 16:34.19 | casperb | Create one.. |
| 16:34.22 | casperb | start with that :p |
| 16:34.26 | Te3-BloodyIron | i do not know how to do that |
| 16:34.38 | Te3-BloodyIron | is there a tutorial for that? |
| 16:34.43 | casperb | prolly |
| 16:34.55 | casperb | onetwo has tuts for everything :p |
| 16:34.56 | Verethragna | obatztrara: i think that is because nearly everone in here is either idling or using the editor xD |
| 16:35.06 | Te3-BloodyIron | ^ |
| 16:35.09 | Obatztrara | yea mostly :D |
| 16:35.12 | Te3-BloodyIron | although |
| 16:35.16 | Te3-BloodyIron | in game chat is probably good for testing |
| 16:35.20 | casperb | nah |
| 16:35.23 | Te3-BloodyIron | so i imagine if you hang out there, it will grow |
| 16:35.23 | Te3-BloodyIron | ? |
| 16:35.37 | Obatztrara | sadly most of the people in the game chats are |
| 16:35.39 | casperb | the irc regulars are here on irc |
| 16:35.40 | Obatztrara | a) morons |
| 16:35.43 | Te3-BloodyIron | oh a behavior is a subset of the unit itself? |
| 16:35.46 | Obatztrara | or b) only interested in melee |
| 16:35.52 | casperb | Te3-BloodyIron: behavior = buff |
| 16:35.59 | Verethragna | oba: or both xD |
| 16:36.00 | Te3-BloodyIron | aha |
| 16:36.04 | Obatztrara | yes exactly ;_; |
| 16:36.10 | Te3-BloodyIron | so i gotta go look at the unit in teh data editor, not trigger lollll |
| 16:36.11 | Te3-BloodyIron | k |
| 16:36.12 | Te3-BloodyIron | hold on |
| 16:36.16 | casperb | Te3-BloodyIron: ah yeh :p |
| 16:36.32 | Te3-BloodyIron | and now my task bar wont appear |
| 16:36.47 | Griffith` | hm the nins export scripts aren't showing up |
| 16:36.50 | Obatztrara | Bummsknoedel: hi, wollt ma fragen was kollose kontert Emoentchen: xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD guckmaldahaterwasindenchatgebummst xDDDDDDD Joies: VikingsundCorrupterkonternKolosse Emoentchen: xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD Joies: gebummst! |
| 16:36.50 | Griffith` | under utilities |
| 16:36.54 | Obatztrara | from the ingame chat |
| 16:36.56 | Obatztrara | -.- |
| 16:36.57 | Griffith` | nor are they showing up under "run" in 3d msax |
| 16:37.08 | Skizot | ummm |
| 16:37.11 | Skizot | lol |
| 16:37.16 | Te3-BloodyIron | Obatztrara: what |
| 16:37.20 | Skizot | you have to go to maxscript and the run script. |
| 16:37.38 | Obatztrara | ignore that Bloody :D |
| 16:37.38 | Hati | they simple talked rubbish |
| 16:37.41 | Obatztrara | yea |
| 16:37.44 | Hati | simply* |
| 16:37.52 | Obatztrara | and their names are fuckfood and emoduck |
| 16:37.55 | Obatztrara | .... |
| 16:38.15 | Hati | Well ... |
| 16:38.59 | Verethragna | fuckdumpling to be exact |
| 16:39.04 | Te3-BloodyIron | hmm now to name it properly, is "Always Move Forward" a good name? |
| 16:39.04 | Obatztrara | yea :) |
| 16:39.12 | Verethragna | btw, i have a data editor question as well: |
| 16:39.24 | Te3-BloodyIron | Obatztrara: was that a response to me? |
| 16:39.29 | Obatztrara | no :o |
| 16:39.34 | Te3-BloodyIron | curses |
| 16:39.35 | Verethragna | I have an ability that adds a behavior to a unit |
| 16:39.36 | Verethragna | The behavior periodically starts a search-effect that should search for allies of the unit with the behaviror, but it searches for allies of the caster, how do i change that? |
| 16:39.36 | casperb | Verethragna: Permantently Restless :P |
| 16:40.02 | Verethragna | ? |
| 16:40.12 | casperb | eh woups mt |
| 16:40.25 | casperb | was @ Te3-BloodyIron |
| 16:40.36 | Verethragna | xD |
| 16:41.19 | Te3-BloodyIron | hmmmmm yeah but that might be hard for me to find later :P |
| 16:41.36 | Te3-BloodyIron | okay now i'm really out of my element here, tried to start with making an intial effect but it links to other unit's effects |
| 16:42.34 | casperb | in the buff, you want it as the periodic behavior |
| 16:42.42 | casperb | err effect* |
| 16:43.07 | Verethragna | ? |
| 16:43.13 | casperb | and it would be something ala create persistent -> issue order |
| 16:43.14 | Verethragna | the effect is there |
| 16:43.16 | Te3-BloodyIron | okay but im not sure how i do that :X |
| 16:43.19 | Te3-BloodyIron | okay im gonna poke some more |
| 16:43.25 | Verethragna | ? |
| 16:43.30 | Verethragna | so i need a persistent |
| 16:43.35 | Verethragna | kay, i will try that |
| 16:43.36 | Verethragna | thanks |
| 16:43.39 | casperb | Verethragna: no :p |
| 16:43.43 | casperb | that was at Te3-BloodyIron |
| 16:43.52 | Verethragna | oh |
| 16:43.53 | Verethragna | xD |
| 16:43.59 | Verethragna | but might work for me as well |
| 16:44.05 | Verethragna | hmm, no |
| 16:44.06 | casperb | not really |
| 16:44.19 | *** join/#sc2mapster Helral (~BenZegvel@217-19-26-88.dsl.cambrium.nl) |
| 16:44.21 | Te3-BloodyIron | ummm am i gonna have to make an effect first then tie it into this behavior? |
| 16:44.27 | *** join/#sc2mapster slightlyrandom (~random@195.184.100.58) |
| 16:44.32 | Helral | meow |
| 16:45.20 | casperb | Te3-BloodyIron: otherwise, it wont have any effect :p |
| 16:45.46 | Helral | still working on the worm? |
| 16:46.08 | Te3-BloodyIron | but im right in that thinking though? that i have to design an effect first? |
| 16:46.50 | casperb | well the behavior should be done by now o.o |
| 16:46.55 | casperb | you only have to set two fields |
| 16:47.13 | casperb | order doesn't matter tho, whatever works for you |
| 16:47.35 | Verethragna | if you don´t want it to be seen: enable flag - hidden |
| 16:47.37 | Te3-BloodyIron | okay so here's what im looking at right now, which is confusing me, |
| 16:47.41 | Te3-BloodyIron | i made the new behavior |
| 16:47.47 | Te3-BloodyIron | i select it in the behavior list |
| 16:47.51 | Te3-BloodyIron | then switch to the effect tab |
| 16:48.01 | Te3-BloodyIron | and for effect periodic, it's a huge list of unit abilities that already exist |
| 16:48.20 | Te3-BloodyIron | and that list is what confuses me, makes me think i need to make an effect that populates in that list |
| 16:48.24 | casperb | first off, just switch the scope of everything to your map |
| 16:48.30 | casperb | less crap to look at |
| 16:48.40 | Te3-BloodyIron | i dont know how to do that |
| 16:48.46 | casperb | there's a dropdown |
| 16:48.51 | Te3-BloodyIron | oh data source? |
| 16:48.53 | casperb | with like Core.MPQ and what not |
| 16:48.57 | Te3-BloodyIron | kay |
| 16:48.59 | Te3-BloodyIron | next? |
| 16:49.04 | casperb | create effect |
| 16:49.13 | casperb | make it a issue order type |
| 16:49.31 | casperb | call it whatever |
| 16:49.58 | casperb | something like <behaviour name> (Issue Order) is common :p |
| 16:50.51 | casperb | btw, Behaviour is correct English right? It's a american/british thing |
| 16:50.55 | casperb | like colour |
| 16:51.05 | Te3-BloodyIron | i'm canadian |
| 16:51.07 | casperb | cause i keep saying behaviour -.- |
| 16:51.11 | Verethragna | ^^ |
| 16:51.36 | Verethragna | i didn´t know this so i just wrote it like it is written in the editor |
| 16:52.10 | Verethragna | normally i prefer the british spelling ^^" |
| 16:54.13 | Te3-BloodyIron | well they did invent the language, i'm pretty sure |
| 16:54.18 | Helral | meow |
| 16:54.48 | Verethragna | xD |
| 16:55.57 | casperb | eh I¨'m European so from 0-12th grade we have UK english |
| 16:56.08 | Verethragna | same for me |
| 16:56.09 | casperb | in uni level we switch to american -.- |
| 16:56.12 | casperb | kinda lame |
| 16:56.18 | Verethragna | i´m still in the 11th grade though |
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| 16:58.48 | Verethragna | soo, does anyone have a clue about my problem?^^ |
| 16:59.02 | Helral | hmmm? |
| 16:59.21 | Helral | what problem? |
| 16:59.25 | Verethragna | I have an ability that adds a behavior to a unit [17:39] <Verethragna> The behavior periodically starts a search-effect that should search for allies of the unit with the behaviror, but it searches for allies of the caster, how do i change that? |
| 17:00.14 | Helral | hmmm |
| 17:00.34 | Helral | would have suggested persistant effect to change the value of the source. ;p |
| 17:00.44 | Verethragna | how? |
| 17:01.18 | Verethragna | & persistent while applying the behavior as periodic effect? |
| 17:01.26 | Verethragna | *or as |
| 17:01.26 | Helral | hmmmm doesn't contain an adjustment for source :( only for target. |
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| 17:06.43 | *** mode/#sc2mapster [+o vjeux] by ChanServ |
| 17:06.49 | Helral | Verethragna: just a question before I start looking further. do you have only 2 teams or more? ;p |
| 17:07.17 | Verethragna | 2 but i want it to work with more as well : P |
| 17:07.32 | Verethragna | (it´s an attack for the WDE 9) |
| 17:08.07 | casperb | worst case, can't you just do a validator? |
| 17:08.20 | casperb | like it should be doable without but |
| 17:08.36 | Verethragna | hmm |
| 17:08.45 | Verethragna | i will try it |
| 17:08.47 | Helral | it's doable easier with a validator. |
| 17:08.57 | Verethragna | but first i search for an other solution^^ |
| 17:09.01 | Helral | just use the Player Alliance validator with Source and Target ;p |
| 17:09.13 | Verethragna | thats the problem |
| 17:09.19 | Helral | why? |
| 17:09.21 | Verethragna | the source is not the unit with the behavior |
| 17:09.28 | Verethragna | but the caster who applied the behavior |
| 17:10.12 | Verethragna | else the whole thing would be a lot easier xD |
| 17:10.50 | casperb | source is the unit with the behavior isn't it? |
| 17:11.04 | Verethragna | it would be great, but it isn´t |
| 17:11.17 | Verethragna | oh |
| 17:11.18 | Verethragna | wait |
| 17:11.32 | Verethragna | the damgage works, so it should be |
| 17:11.37 | Verethragna | i will try a validator |
| 17:11.53 | Verethragna | thanks |
| 17:26.34 | *** join/#sc2mapster Demonette (bc6d220c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.109.34.12) |
| 17:26.45 | Demonette | Hex Hex Hexenpolizei... |
| 17:26.53 | Demonette | Hi Stuffies |
| 17:27.04 | Xaragoth | evening |
| 17:27.10 | Verethragna | morning |
| 17:27.16 | Demonette | Hi larleh |
| 17:27.23 | Demonette | hi htoharax |
| 17:27.32 | Demonette | hi angarhterev |
| 17:28.05 | RoarMan | HAI DEMONETTE |
| 17:28.05 | Demonette | does the word "elsebody" exist? |
| 17:28.12 | RoarMan | In my mind it does |
| 17:28.13 | Demonette | hi namraor |
| 17:28.20 | RoarMan | Rawrawr~! |
| 17:28.22 | Demonette | hi elsebody |
| 17:28.43 | Demonette | Still sounds like lady gaga XD |
| 17:28.50 | RoarMan | Lol whut |
| 17:28.56 | casperb | ugh, my new laptop fails at texture painting -_- |
| 17:29.13 | Demonette | hi brepsac! |
| 17:29.25 | Demonette | Poor one =D |
| 17:29.33 | casperb | cost me 6k! :p |
| 17:29.35 | Demonette | well laptops never seem good for work to me |
| 17:29.40 | Demonette | wtf... |
| 17:29.40 | casperb | 6k norwegian :p |
| 17:29.46 | casperb | which is like uhm |
| 17:29.53 | casperb | 1000 bucks or so |
| 17:29.57 | Demonette | you selled 6k norwegians for getting that laptop? |
| 17:30.08 | Te3-BloodyIron | casperb: still trying to find a break in work to try this new method out :X |
| 17:30.15 | Demonette | how do you dare selling people =( |
| 17:30.48 | Verethragna | my laptop works fine |
| 17:30.51 | Xaragoth | it's easy money |
| 17:31.01 | Verethragna | can´t play on ultra settings though |
| 17:31.02 | Xaragoth | I tried to sell Rodrigo |
| 17:31.14 | Xaragoth | America said it wants to keep their bioweapon though |
| 17:31.19 | Xaragoth | So I had to cancel the contract with china |
| 17:31.19 | Xaragoth | :\ |
| 17:31.23 | Demonette | XD |
| 17:32.22 | RoarMan | Lol whut |
| 17:32.47 | casperb | not sure if can even play on this thing |
| 17:33.03 | casperb | haven't played ladder in a few weeks :o |
| 17:33.06 | casperb | scared of lagging :p |
| 17:33.07 | *** join/#sc2mapster Griffith` (~Zeta@CPEc0c1c013ce86-CM0013718d3546.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 17:33.26 | Demonette | Ladder =D |
| 17:33.33 | Demonette | what a ranking to you have? |
| 17:33.39 | Demonette | doooo you have... |
| 17:33.40 | Demonette | not to |
| 17:33.46 | Verethragna | played only 2 of the ranking matches xD |
| 17:33.47 | Griffith` | should I use diffuse maps or decal maps |
| 17:33.48 | casperb | low plat |
| 17:33.49 | Griffith` | for 3dsmax |
| 17:34.01 | casperb | depends |
| 17:34.02 | Demonette | =( |
| 17:34.05 | Xaragoth | depends |
| 17:34.06 | casperb | color = diffuse |
| 17:34.09 | Xaragoth | do you want to make a decal? |
| 17:34.11 | Xaragoth | :p |
| 17:34.14 | casperb | decal = decal |
| 17:34.14 | Demonette | Hey i'm bronze XD |
| 17:34.29 | Demonette | or well |
| 17:34.32 | Skizot | ugh |
| 17:34.33 | casperb | Demonette i can't talk to you anymore o.o |
| 17:34.34 | Demonette | i don't know what i am |
| 17:34.37 | Skizot | new modellers. |
| 17:34.38 | Demonette | Keke |
| 17:34.42 | Demonette | well i'm gold |
| 17:34.45 | Demonette | and silver |
| 17:34.47 | Skizot | shivers |
| 17:35.12 | Demonette | and i'm platin... =/ to many different grades |
| 17:35.22 | Demonette | but all in all i think i'm really really bad at the moment |
| 17:35.24 | casperb | 1v1 is what counts :p |
| 17:35.28 | Griffith` | say i want to add a coke decal onto a cylinder |
| 17:35.32 | Demonette | gold then |
| 17:35.42 | Skizot | oh dear god |
| 17:35.46 | Skizot | Griffith` |
| 17:35.50 | Skizot | stop, just stop. |
| 17:35.54 | casperb | lol |
| 17:36.03 | Demonette | coca cola decals? ^^ |
| 17:36.03 | Griffith` | zzz lol |
| 17:36.31 | Griffith` | surely in 5 weeks i'll look back and realize how stupid my questions are |
| 17:36.37 | Griffith` | until then please bear with me |
| 17:36.42 | Griffith` | i plead ignorance |
| 17:36.47 | Skizot | let it put it simplly |
| 17:36.54 | Skizot | DO. NOT. MESS. WITH. DECALS. |
| 17:36.54 | Te3-BloodyIron | i think it's better to pledge ignorance, LOL |
| 17:37.07 | Griffith` | so diffuse maps it is ? |
| 17:37.09 | Demonette | Decals are cooler then skizot.... |
| 17:37.12 | Skizot | yes |
| 17:37.14 | Demonette | =) |
| 17:37.15 | Skizot | diffuse spec and normal. |
| 17:37.21 | Skizot | ONLY those three |
| 17:37.27 | Xaragoth | and maybe emissive |
| 17:37.27 | Griffith` | ok |
| 17:37.31 | Skizot | NO. |
| 17:37.31 | Xaragoth | if you want glowy |
| 17:37.34 | Skizot | no emissives. |
| 17:37.39 | Demonette | =P |
| 17:37.44 | Te3-BloodyIron | :O man this editor is powerful |
| 17:37.45 | Demonette | Glowy glow! |
| 17:37.52 | Xaragoth | no, it's not |
| 17:37.54 | Xaragoth | it's just EASY |
| 17:37.56 | Demonette | glowy xara |
| 17:37.56 | casperb | Hm i know what would make skizot cringe! |
| 17:37.57 | Xaragoth | that's a difference |
| 17:38.01 | casperb | I'm painting on a.. bamboo! :p |
| 17:38.04 | Skizot | as they will undoubtly come wiht "why is my glow wrong?" "what is an alpaha map?" "why did emissives give my kitten cancer?" |
| 17:38.05 | Te3-BloodyIron | compared to sc1/war3? |
| 17:38.20 | Demonette | i paint on a bamboo too capserb |
| 17:38.22 | Xaragoth | compared to udk/cry engine |
| 17:38.23 | Xaragoth | :p |
| 17:38.45 | Xaragoth | when was the last time you saw someone doing a wallrun in an sc2 map without a shitton of lag in multiplayer? |
| 17:38.46 | Griffith` | its just that when i export a model from 3ds max no textures show up in staredit |
| 17:38.46 | Xaragoth | eh? |
| 17:38.49 | Te3-BloodyIron | cant you use those to make stand alon titles too? |
| 17:38.51 | Verethragna | helral: alliance validator works, but now the unit sees itself as a valid target too ._. |
| 17:38.58 | Xaragoth | yes |
| 17:39.08 | Skizot | did you remember to import the textures to Assets/textures? |
| 17:39.09 | Xaragoth | but they're not as easy |
| 17:39.11 | casperb | Verethragna: just exclude self |
| 17:39.20 | Te3-BloodyIron | well, i dont see that happening with sc2 :P |
| 17:39.21 | Skizot | BEFORE importing the model? |
| 17:39.31 | Demonette | Nice |
| 17:39.38 | Verethragna | casperb: in a alience validator? |
| 17:39.41 | Verethragna | *an |
| 17:39.42 | Demonette | i'm invisible.. |
| 17:39.43 | Griffith` | Assets/textures ... of SC2 folder? |
| 17:39.47 | Griffith` | hm no i didnt do that |
| 17:39.47 | Skizot | import textures, save, import model save. |
| 17:39.47 | casperb | Verethragna: in the search filters |
| 17:39.54 | Skizot | in the map! |
| 17:39.55 | Verethragna | there the "self" is the caster |
| 17:40.00 | casperb | Verethragna: you can use both |
| 17:40.03 | casperb | afaik |
| 17:40.09 | Verethragna | yes |
| 17:40.10 | Verethragna | but |
| 17:40.10 | Griffith` | in the map? |
| 17:40.12 | Griffith` | oh |
| 17:40.13 | casperb | filters -> validators |
| 17:40.14 | Skizot | brain... starting to ... swell... anger... overwhelming... |
| 17:40.15 | Verethragna | the self in the search filter |
| 17:40.20 | Verethragna | is the caster |
| 17:40.24 | Verethragna | who applied the validator |
| 17:40.35 | casperb | ah doh |
| 17:40.37 | Verethragna | äh |
| 17:40.37 | Griffith` | do i import it as BMP |
| 17:40.40 | Verethragna | behavior |
| 17:40.46 | casperb | Griffith`: trolling? |
| 17:40.50 | Skizot | GRAHFHGFHG |
| 17:40.51 | Griffith` | i thought imports only supported TGA/TIFF |
| 17:40.57 | casperb | use dds |
| 17:40.58 | Skizot | snaps |
| 17:41.06 | casperb | and don't make skizot go postal o.o |
| 17:41.14 | RoarMan | .dds is good |
| 17:41.16 | casperb | I'm scared of him -_- |
| 17:41.26 | RoarMan | Why is skizot scary |
| 17:41.31 | Griffith` | well the decal for my coke bottle is in .bmp format |
| 17:41.40 | casperb | He's an angry old man :p |
| 17:41.41 | RoarMan | SKIZOT YOU CRZEH? |
| 17:41.44 | RoarMan | Crazeh* |
| 17:41.47 | Griffith` | so i need to turn the .bmp into .dds first? |
| 17:41.51 | Skizot | I AM GOING TO DROWN YOU IN A BOWL OF OATMEAL AND DOG FECES. |
| 17:41.54 | RoarMan | LOL |
| 17:41.57 | RoarMan | IM A SUCK YO DICK BOY |
| 17:41.58 | RoarMan | er.... |
| 17:42.13 | RoarMan | Griffith` yeah |
| 17:42.15 | Xaragoth | bmp ... |
| 17:42.19 | Xaragoth | bmp....... |
| 17:42.23 | Xaragoth | picks up his axe. |
| 17:42.25 | RoarMan | Lol |
| 17:42.33 | RoarMan | That was lulz |
| 17:42.35 | Xaragoth | DO NOT TOUCH MODELS ANYMORE FOR THE SAKE OF HUMANITY. |
| 17:42.47 | RoarMan | Lol |
| 17:44.06 | casperb | poor meshes |
| 17:44.11 | casperb | being mandhandled :( |
| 17:44.21 | Te3-BloodyIron | i think we should educate Griffith` why bmp's are a bad idea |
| 17:44.46 | Skizot | do you use claydoh to run a car? |
| 17:44.55 | Skizot | SAME IDEA, use gas dumbass. |
| 17:45.00 | casperb | lol |
| 17:45.03 | Demonette | Verethragna said "äh" are you german? oO |
| 17:45.12 | Te3-BloodyIron | that's not what i was suggesting... |
| 17:45.13 | Verethragna | no, austrian^^ |
| 17:45.14 | Griffith` | lol |
| 17:45.17 | Griffith` | i'm new to all this |
| 17:45.28 | Demonette | how did you get "ä" then? |
| 17:45.31 | Te3-BloodyIron | anyways >.> |
| 17:45.39 | Skizot | google has tutorials. |
| 17:45.43 | Skizot | GO READ THEM. |
| 17:45.47 | Skizot | then come ask questions. |
| 17:45.55 | *** join/#sc2mapster Deaod (~Deaod@p4FD9A6F0.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 17:45.57 | Verethragna | demonette: because german is the national language of austria xD |
| 17:46.07 | Demonette | wait... |
| 17:46.19 | casperb | Skizot: i do have a question tho :p |
| 17:46.26 | Skizot | which is? |
| 17:46.32 | Verethragna | austria is one of the small countries next to germany demonette... |
| 17:46.35 | Demonette | Ohhhh... nevermind |
| 17:46.35 | casperb | 3ds is your tool of choice afaik |
| 17:46.37 | Demonette | yea |
| 17:46.42 | Skizot | yes |
| 17:46.46 | Demonette | i thought... it would be that |
| 17:46.55 | casperb | is the collada import broken? |
| 17:46.59 | Demonette | I'm still not able to handle "names" |
| 17:47.08 | RoarMan | Lol |
| 17:47.11 | Skizot | not that i know of? |
| 17:47.12 | RoarMan | Skizot scared griffith` |
| 17:48.04 | casperb | My exports that are the culpirit then |
| 17:48.12 | casperb | fbx works but more hassle |
| 17:48.17 | Skizot | possibly. |
| 17:48.31 | Skizot | fbx imports easily to max |
| 17:48.31 | Skizot | what's the issue? |
| 17:49.08 | casperb | fbx seems to ignore import scale |
| 17:49.18 | Skizot | meh scaling is easy. |
| 17:50.05 | casperb | well yeah but guesstimating sucks :P |
| 17:50.36 | Demonette | And how is it in austria? |
| 17:51.14 | Verethragna | at the moment |
| 17:51.15 | Verethragna | cold |
| 17:51.18 | Verethragna | way too cold |
| 17:53.38 | Verethragna | demonette: where a you from? germany? (then it would be awkward not to know austria xD) |
| 17:53.41 | Demonette | Mmmhh cold over here as well... think i should buy some pets |
| 17:53.56 | Demonette | I'm from the netherworld oO |
| 17:54.18 | Demonette | but my host seems to be in germany at the moment |
| 17:54.27 | Verethragna | xP |
| 17:54.44 | Griffith` | when I import my dds imagein staredit, how do I move it to the Assets\Textures folder? |
| 17:54.54 | Griffith` | I tried doing "move files" and I get an error message |
| 17:55.13 | casperb | First off, don't work with a mpq |
| 17:55.13 | Demonette | austria sounds everytime like australia to me =( so sorry ragna! |
| 17:55.17 | Verethragna | xD |
| 17:55.18 | casperb | use the folder format |
| 17:55.31 | Griffith` | er |
| 17:55.34 | casperb | importing and exporting is just painful |
| 17:55.49 | Demonette | But in the end what does it count... i can't it both... |
| 17:55.50 | casperb | i.e save your map as components |
| 17:55.54 | Demonette | eath |
| 17:55.56 | Demonette | eat |
| 17:56.01 | Demonette | EAT!!! h... |
| 17:56.03 | Demonette | -.- |
| 17:56.05 | Demonette | damned |
| 17:56.11 | Demonette | i should switch |
| 17:56.31 | Griffith` | =\ |
| 17:56.57 | Demonette | can i get your sould verethragna? |
| 17:57.25 | Verethragna | i don´t know the word xD |
| 17:57.29 | Verethragna | whats a sould? |
| 17:57.36 | Demonette | -d |
| 17:57.44 | Verethragna | no, i´d rather keep it |
| 17:57.48 | Demonette | don't know why there is a d... |
| 17:57.59 | Demonette | think it traveled there after i finished typing... |
| 17:58.19 | Demonette | why would you want to keep it? |
| 17:58.22 | Griffith` | not sure what save map as components means |
| 17:58.25 | Demonette | it only distracts you |
| 17:58.39 | Verethragna | to be true |
| 17:58.44 | Verethragna | i don´t even think it exists |
| 17:58.51 | Demonette | thats to poin |
| 17:58.52 | Demonette | t |
| 17:59.09 | Demonette | so why not give something to me you don't have |
| 17:59.26 | Verethragna | because thats not really possible? xD |
| 17:59.45 | Demonette | Just come here and sign =D |
| 18:00.01 | Verethragna | too far away |
| 18:00.43 | Demonette | would you sign if i come to you? |
| 18:00.58 | Verethragna | if you find me we will see |
| 18:01.33 | Demonette | well.. and i want your shoes... |
| 18:01.47 | Verethragna | Oo? |
| 18:01.50 | Verethragna | forget it |
| 18:02.05 | Demonette | =( |
| 18:02.28 | Demonette | be nice to me the poor thing out of the netherworld... |
| 18:02.40 | Verethragna | nope |
| 18:04.11 | Demonette | Thats not nice =( |
| 18:04.22 | Demonette | i won't let you win in Sc2 >.> |
| 18:04.29 | Verethragna | xD |
| 18:05.43 | Demonette | I'm serious... |
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| 18:05.54 | Demonette | or was it ernest... |
| 18:14.42 | Griffith` | hm when i import my model witht eh right textures and everything, it's not visible at all |
| 18:14.55 | RoarMan | Sup dog |
| 18:15.09 | Griffith` | like it doesnt even show up in the previewer |
| 18:15.13 | RoarMan | Odd |
| 18:15.19 | RoarMan | I have no idea since I don't touch modelling at all |
| 18:26.53 | Griffith` | casperb, my model only shows up in the previewer if i zoom to fit, maybe it is far too small? |
| 18:27.25 | casperb | Sorry something is blocking my mind reading abilities :p |
| 18:27.35 | casperb | open it in game and check the scale -.- |
| 18:27.54 | RoarMan | Hmm |
| 18:28.03 | Griffith` | like it doesnt even show up in-game |
| 18:28.34 | casperb | then it's either huge or tiny |
| 18:29.45 | Griffith` | ugh |
| 18:30.20 | Griffith` | would i have to rescale it in 3dsmax |
| 18:30.34 | casperb | you should |
| 18:30.34 | RoarMan | Anyone have experience with messing around with the Layout files? |
| 18:30.43 | casperb | yeh |
| 18:30.50 | RoarMan | Casperb I'm confuzzled |
| 18:30.59 | RoarMan | Do I simply import the layout files to my map and it works? |
| 18:31.25 | casperb | nope |
| 18:31.26 | casperb | override them |
| 18:31.35 | casperb | read Helral's post |
| 18:31.39 | RoarMan | I did <.< |
| 18:31.52 | RoarMan | I can't seem to find where the original layout files are |
| 18:32.21 | RoarMan | .... |
| 18:32.25 | RoarMan | Wait I think I got it rofl |
| 18:32.34 | RoarMan | Lol I epic failed |
| 18:38.52 | RoarMan | OH |
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| 18:43.34 | RoarMan | Ok I get this shit now |
| 18:44.10 | Griffith` | casperb, when i export models in 3dsmax do i need to worry about lighting at all |
| 18:44.32 | casperb | you shouldn't |
| 18:44.47 | casperb | unless it's a portrait etc |
| 18:45.03 | RoarMan | CASPERB I GET THIS SHIT NOWWWWWW |
| 18:45.12 | RoarMan | ARE YOU PROUD OF ME |
| 18:45.40 | casperb | sure... |
| 18:45.48 | RoarMan | <3 |
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| 18:51.31 | Griffith` | casperb, you were right it was way too big lol <3 <3 <3 <3 |
| 18:51.51 | Griffith` | i managed to successfully import everything in the end |
| 18:52.11 | casperb | ofc i was right *roll eyes* |
| 18:52.43 | Griffith` | haha |
| 18:52.43 | RoarMan | casperb is never wrong |
| 18:52.44 | RoarMan | Only right |
| 18:52.55 | RoarMan | And when he's wrong |
| 18:52.57 | RoarMan | He's only wronh |
| 18:53.00 | RoarMan | Cause he's right |
| 19:01.18 | Griffith` | casperb, do doodads have to be m3 files? can you use a .dds image as a doodad? |
| 19:03.14 | Xaragoth | hits Griffith` on the head. |
| 19:03.21 | Griffith` | ... |
| 19:03.21 | Xaragoth | We're not doing Mario here. |
| 19:03.40 | Griffith` | i take it as a no |
| 19:04.06 | Xaragoth | Hell, get some basic knowledge before you mess around with tools. |
| 19:04.53 | Griffith` | zzz i did scripting before |
| 19:05.02 | Griffith` | i just never touched the doodad/importing side of thigns |
| 19:05.30 | Xaragoth | where the hell is that an excuse |
| 19:05.36 | Hati | Xaragoth: but Mario is cool :( |
| 19:05.45 | Helral | jumps on Xaragoth's head |
| 19:05.48 | Xaragoth | No, Hati. He was. |
| 19:05.48 | Helral | meows |
| 19:05.54 | Xaragoth | hands Helral a fish. |
| 19:06.07 | Helral | enjoys a fish on Xaragoth's head. |
| 19:06.15 | Hati | Mario cannot lose coolness. |
| 19:06.20 | Xaragoth | Even asking if a next-gen model can be done with a TEXTURE should send you straight into a russian workcamp |
| 19:06.57 | Xaragoth | Not knowing the more complex part of stuff? Alright. |
| 19:07.05 | Xaragoth | Not even reading up on basics and asking like a moron? Not right. |
| 19:07.43 | Helral | Griffith`: dds = 2d, m3 = 3d :P |
| 19:07.57 | Xaragoth | m3 can also be 2d |
| 19:07.58 | Xaragoth | sprites ftw |
| 19:08.08 | Griffith` | well say you wanted to spraypaint an 2d image on the ground |
| 19:08.09 | Xaragoth | m3 is just a format used in sc2 |
| 19:08.12 | Griffith` | what would you use |
| 19:08.20 | Xaragoth | depends |
| 19:08.23 | Xaragoth | do you want to make it move |
| 19:08.26 | Xaragoth | or do you want a texture |
| 19:08.28 | Helral | depends, you can use decals. |
| 19:08.33 | Griffith` | ah |
| 19:08.36 | Griffith` | it doesnt have to move |
| 19:08.36 | Helral | or just textures. |
| 19:08.39 | Griffith` | hm ok |
| 19:08.47 | Griffith` | are textures doodads? |
| 19:08.47 | Xaragoth | next |
| 19:08.55 | Helral | I don't have enough knowledge about that stuff though ;p |
| 19:08.55 | Xaragoth | do you want stuff like those little stripes on the floor |
| 19:08.58 | Xaragoth | for landing fields |
| 19:09.04 | Xaragoth | or do you want a ground texture |
| 19:09.09 | Griffith` | just a ground texture for now |
| 19:09.22 | Helral | I just know that m3 = moving stuff and you can change the viewport on it. while dds is stuck with 1 view angle. |
| 19:09.24 | Xaragoth | so, you want to paint it, like terrain textures |
| 19:09.35 | Xaragoth | not place it like a tree or rock |
| 19:09.41 | Xaragoth | I see a painful future for you |
| 19:09.46 | Xaragoth | 'cause you'll need to do a normal map |
| 19:09.51 | Xaragoth | so it doesn't look like shit |
| 19:09.57 | Griffith` | lol |
| 19:10.19 | Griffith` | i dunno i may resort to just modelling the 2d image to a 3d one and just doodadding it |
| 19:10.54 | Xaragoth | http://www.interiorholic.com/architecture/10-most-amazing-buildings-in-the-world/#78 <- I want one |
| 19:11.04 | Xaragoth | which will not make it look less like shit |
| 19:11.09 | Xaragoth | without a proper normal and spec |
| 19:11.19 | Xaragoth | to make shiny, you need to understand where shiny comes from |
| 19:11.31 | Xaragoth | not going around like helral, taking any fish |
| 19:11.34 | Griffith` | lol |
| 19:11.37 | Xaragoth | you need to select your fish |
| 19:11.57 | Xaragoth | either you get something that looks like Duke Nukem |
| 19:12.06 | Xaragoth | or you get something like those awful reaver models we have on mapster |
| 19:12.12 | Griffith` | uh |
| 19:12.20 | Griffith` | how did blizzard do there models |
| 19:12.21 | Xaragoth | wait, i'll explain |
| 19:12.22 | Griffith` | their* |
| 19:12.34 | Xaragoth | with years of experience, knowledge and brains |
| 19:12.43 | Xaragoth | 5 years + in the industry, at the very least |
| 19:13.18 | Xaragoth | http://i410.photobucket.com/albums/pp188/Mordib/Rifts/guards.jpg <- this explains it good |
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| 19:13.34 | Griffith` | like do they do in 3ds max then import it into m3 |
| 19:13.40 | Xaragoth | just that that wow guard will be in the rift environment |
| 19:13.45 | Xaragoth | their own script |
| 19:13.47 | Xaragoth | which we do not have |
| 19:13.56 | Xaragoth | we had to rework the one we already used for WoW |
| 19:14.21 | Griffith` | oh |
| 19:14.42 | Xaragoth | which still only supports one material, if I remember correctly -_- |
| 19:14.46 | Xaragoth | aka, it sucks |
| 19:14.55 | Xaragoth | Saeris1, I found another reason to not work at Blizz! |
| 19:14.57 | Xaragoth | Wanna hear? |
| 19:15.48 | Griffith` | i saw |
| 19:15.51 | Griffith` | the blizz maps |
| 19:15.53 | Griffith` | like Aiur Chef |
| 19:15.58 | Griffith` | they had some really neat models |
| 19:16.03 | Griffith` | and Bejeweled |
| 19:16.54 | Xaragoth | takes about a day to model, maybe another to texture for those guys |
| 19:17.00 | Xaragoth | maybe 2 to do all the animations |
| 19:18.26 | Griffith` | hm |
| 19:18.38 | Griffith` | i could probably pick up modelling in a month :P |
| 19:18.42 | Griffith` | and texturing in 2 weeks |
| 19:19.18 | Xaragoth | for a crate, maybe |
| 19:19.39 | Xaragoth | lol, basic rule |
| 19:19.42 | Xaragoth | never try a horse |
| 19:19.45 | Xaragoth | it'll break you |
| 19:19.57 | Griffith` | lol |
| 19:20.05 | Xaragoth | horses are a fucking piece of shit |
| 19:20.10 | Xaragoth | too many muscles and all |
| 19:20.24 | RoarMan | Lol whut |
| 19:20.29 | Xaragoth | worst nightmare for anyone who needs to make that for a AAA title |
| 19:20.35 | Griffith` | I'll be happy with making a thing that can glow :P |
| 19:25.18 | casperb | hm |
| 19:25.35 | casperb | a horse isn't worse than anything else |
| 19:25.36 | casperb | to model |
| 19:26.15 | Xaragoth | it's worse, if it has to move right |
| 19:26.40 | Griffith` | man all the models they did for aiur chef makes me wanna drool |
| 19:27.12 | Xaragoth | you can see that horses are hard by the amount of bad horses in games :p |
| 19:28.10 | Xaragoth | I think only AC and RDR had good ones |
| 19:28.14 | Xaragoth | rest was decentish |
| 19:31.02 | casperb | well |
| 19:31.13 | casperb | reference is easly available |
| 19:31.34 | casperb | like anything, it's practice and studying |
| 19:31.45 | Xaragoth | anatomy studying |
| 19:31.46 | Xaragoth | a lot |
| 19:31.55 | casperb | yup |
| 19:32.08 | casperb | we have quad anatomy once a week :p |
| 19:32.20 | Xaragoth | nothing new there |
| 19:32.32 | Xaragoth | for every modeling lesson you get at least 10 anatomy |
| 19:32.40 | Xaragoth | or, 8 anatomy, 2 sculpting |
| 19:32.40 | Xaragoth | :p |
| 19:32.46 | casperb | well traditional art here :p |
| 19:33.04 | casperb | naked old guys 4 days a week and animal skeletons / art history one day :p |
| 19:33.18 | Xaragoth | urg |
| 19:33.25 | Xaragoth | they could at least get you a pornstar |
| 19:33.29 | Xaragoth | cheaper and better to look at |
| 19:33.31 | Xaragoth | seriously |
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| 19:33.52 | casperb | eh after like 300 sessions naked people is like whatever |
| 19:34.33 | casperb | anyways, my point was that modeling say a tiger is hell of a lot harder than something like a dog :p |
| 19:34.56 | casperb | just based on the fact that you can't really go study a tiger |
| 19:35.23 | casperb | suppose people in the states have like zoo's with them in tho |
| 19:36.14 | Xaragoth | ye |
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| 19:39.32 | Helral | meow |
| 19:40.41 | Hati | Helral: wuff |
| 19:41.13 | Helral | meow |
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| 19:55.22 | Xaragoth | VJEUX |
| 19:55.24 | Xaragoth | GODDAMNIT |
| 19:55.29 | Xaragoth | right when I need him for a test |
| 19:55.32 | Xaragoth | and his trackball |
| 19:55.33 | Xaragoth | -_- |
| 19:56.58 | Hati | k ... never tell someone that you're gonna play "Super Meat Boy" - they call you pervert |
| 19:58.18 | casperb | lol |
| 19:58.27 | casperb | that's that platformer? |
| 19:58.37 | casperb | squishy pink thing |
| 19:58.55 | Xaragoth | the meat |
| 19:58.55 | Xaragoth | yes |
| 19:59.05 | Xaragoth | need 4 people on eu |
| 19:59.08 | Xaragoth | to test ruins |
| 19:59.13 | Xaragoth | who wants some tps beta? |
| 19:59.13 | Xaragoth | :p |
| 19:59.34 | casperb | hm sure |
| 19:59.47 | casperb | or maybe :p |
| 19:59.52 | casperb | lemmek now when you got 3 :p |
| 19:59.55 | casperb | know* |
| 19:59.57 | casperb | gotta get some grub |
| 20:00.01 | Xaragoth | :p we need 8 overall |
| 20:00.07 | Hedus | eu... damnit |
| 20:01.15 | Xaragoth | can't be that hard... |
| 20:01.18 | Xaragoth | slaps Dekar- around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:01.29 | Xaragoth | slaps wOlfLinG around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:01.29 | Dekar- | hi |
| 20:01.33 | Xaragoth | gogo |
| 20:01.34 | Xaragoth | bnet |
| 20:01.36 | Dekar- | tf2 |
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| 20:05.32 | Hati | Xaragoth: x |
| 20:05.40 | Xaragoth | Hati: come! |
| 20:05.42 | Xaragoth | :O |
| 20:06.08 | Hati | opening sc2 |
| 20:06.31 | Xaragoth | we're doing a quick run, 2 people still update their sc2 |
| 20:06.49 | Xaragoth | kc has to grab lunch, but he wants to see a forest burning :p |
| 20:07.01 | Hati | inv to party |
| 20:07.13 | Hati | .183 |
| 20:09.19 | Xaragoth | kay, sec |
| 20:13.52 | wOlfLinG | Xaragoth! Don't slap me with trout! >:( |
| 20:14.02 | Xaragoth | shut up, get in :p |
| 20:14.16 | wOlfLinG | :( |
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| 20:14.27 | wOlfLinG | k, but my internet is slow today |
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| 20:16.20 | JManV|Work | must be jealous of my cool nickname :P |
| 20:17.15 | JManV|Work | i spent quite a while building part 1 of a dialog tutorial: http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/tutorials/17969-dialogs-really-great-looking-dialogs-part-1/ for anyone interested |
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| 20:26.51 | slightlyrandom | Thats quite nice JManV |
| 20:26.53 | slightlyrandom | work |
| 20:26.55 | Hedus | nice tutorial |
| 20:27.19 | JManV|Work | thanks |
| 20:27.28 | Hedus | my frist dialog was one of those "*sigh, gotta go change this x value 50 times and test it to see where it sits" |
| 20:27.31 | JManV|Work | i've been wanting to build one for a while |
| 20:27.43 | JManV|Work | there will probably be 4-5 parts, because i have a lot of tips and tricks |
| 20:29.24 | JManV|Work | yeah, that's how my first dialogs were too |
| 20:32.15 | wOlfLinG | Pretty nice JmanV, but personally I prefer trial and error :D |
| 20:32.36 | casperb | looking good |
| 20:32.36 | wOlfLinG | And tbh, after a while you know how it all goes together |
| 20:32.51 | wOlfLinG | eg, I like a 50 width border etc |
| 20:32.52 | casperb | yeh but 1% of people do it that way |
| 20:32.59 | casperb | the rest spam irc with basic questions :p |
| 20:33.03 | casperb | tutorials keep them away |
| 20:33.44 | Xaragoth | no, they don't |
| 20:33.44 | Xaragoth | :p |
| 20:33.47 | wOlfLinG | Also, did anyone see my Zealot Chef tutorial? :) |
| 20:33.55 | wOlfLinG | Spent ages working out how to do that xD |
| 20:34.49 | JManV|Work | you can do your 50 width border all you want, but when you have to change it and have 4 dialogs.... |
| 20:35.52 | JManV|Work | besides, hard coding is more an advanced thing to do. constants are a little more noob-friendly |
| 20:37.37 | JManV|Work | nevertheless, i stand by my recommendations |
| 20:37.41 | JManV|Work | they work well |
| 20:37.51 | Nash|327 | lies |
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| 20:39.07 | wOlfLinG | Well, i'm making a tech tree right now. I may need to use that stuff :/ |
| 20:40.00 | Xaragoth | wolfling |
| 20:40.01 | Lilianna | wOlfLinG, making a Zealot Chef with ranomized stuff? |
| 20:40.02 | Xaragoth | back into sc2 |
| 20:40.03 | Xaragoth | naow |
| 20:40.45 | wOlfLinG | Lilianna, yeah. Although if i replaced the hat with a Helmet and the rolling pin with a sword, I haz RPG :D |
| 20:40.56 | Lilianna | Ahs. :) |
| 20:40.56 | wOlfLinG | Xaragoth... Nah thankz :D |
| 20:41.07 | Lilianna | I saw it and just thought, I could do all that in only Data too. |
| 20:41.09 | casperb | watching yesterdays funday monday |
| 20:41.13 | casperb | was day9 high? :o |
| 20:41.13 | wOlfLinG | Not just as simple as importing it or whatever : |
| 20:41.16 | wOlfLinG | :/* |
| 20:41.35 | JManV|Work | i have a complex tech tree dialog slated as tutorial 4 or 5 |
| 20:41.37 | wOlfLinG | Ask me in an hour |
| 20:41.44 | wOlfLinG | After i've watched it :D |
| 20:42.25 | wOlfLinG | Well mine will have 3 different tree in the same dialog etc :D |
| 20:42.59 | wOlfLinG | Also casperb... just looked at the funday theme and it looks EPIX! |
| 20:43.19 | wOlfLinG | Wit an X!!! |
| 20:43.24 | wOlfLinG | Not the number J :/ |
| 20:43.25 | casperb | hehe |
| 20:43.39 | wOlfLinG | Epij just doesn't look right |
| 20:44.58 | casperb | think you mean epib |
| 20:45.34 | Nash|327 | ptrq |
| 20:47.07 | Nash|327 | random letters = wit |
| 20:47.43 | slightlyrandom | Well, in the case of xkcd, it is |
| 20:48.15 | Nash|327 | xkcd is only funny half the time or so |
| 20:48.28 | Nash|327 | too much relation stuff |
| 20:49.41 | slightlyrandom | Yeah, thats true |
| 20:49.51 | slightlyrandom | But it's hard to find good geek jokes |
| 20:50.06 | slightlyrandom | and he does some pretty funny/insightful stuff |
| 20:51.10 | Nash|327 | As long as they are not related to relationships and/or sex |
| 20:51.53 | Nash|327 | Or some obscure scientific stuff even I don't know about |
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| 20:53.53 | slightlyrandom | hehe |
| 20:53.58 | slightlyrandom | I love obscure scientific stuff |
| 20:54.08 | slightlyrandom | Ignorance is the gateway to knowledge |
| 20:54.32 | Nash|327 | knowledge is a means, not a goal |
| 20:55.10 | Nash|327 | so what if you know 500 digits of pi :/ |
| 20:55.34 | slightlyrandom | There's knowledge, and then there's silly stuff |
| 20:55.53 | slightlyrandom | Fuck the digits of Pi, I want to know how stuff works |
| 20:55.57 | Nash|327 | most knowledge is useless |
| 20:56.23 | Nash|327 | I learn things when I have actual need of knowing them. |
| 20:56.36 | slightlyrandom | I learn things because it gives me pleasure |
| 20:57.11 | Nash|327 | NERRRRRD |
| 20:57.19 | slightlyrandom | Right here |
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| 20:58.29 | slightlyrandom | But then I read that China is starting work on Molten Salt Reactors, and I laugh |
| 20:58.32 | Nash|327 | Well, at least that's better than doing drugs and having sex |
| 20:58.36 | Nash|327 | ;G |
| 20:58.58 | casperb | what is? :o |
| 20:59.05 | Nash|327 | learning things for fun |
| 20:59.15 | slightlyrandom | Fucking idiot westerners, having a good 40 year head start, and never bothering to get with the program |
| 21:00.31 | slightlyrandom | I'm gonna have to consider learning Chinese sometime soon |
| 21:00.55 | Nash|327 | I stick to learning English. |
| 21:01.35 | slightlyrandom | Gotta have more than one trick up your sleeve, eh? |
| 21:01.44 | Nash|327 | Maybe if other people did so we wouldn't have so many AOLspeaking retards. |
| 21:01.59 | slightlyrandom | That's just a matter of effort in communication |
| 21:02.03 | Nash|327 | There are 2 languages I have actual use for. |
| 21:02.11 | Nash|327 | So why add a third? :G |
| 21:02.15 | slightlyrandom | And anyway, I think we all know enough english to get along, here |
| 21:02.50 | Nash|327 | If that's all you require. |
| 21:03.09 | Nash|327 | I write books, "getting along" is insufficient. |
| 21:03.17 | slightlyrandom | Well, I'd learn Chinese because at this rate, it's gonna be the place to be and the language to know in 10-15 years time |
| 21:04.32 | Nash|327 | Eh, the language divide is too broad for any real shift in international language to occur. |
| 21:05.13 | slightlyrandom | Language Divide? |
| 21:05.17 | slightlyrandom | Wadduya mean ? |
| 21:05.30 | Hati | Esperanto |
| 21:05.39 | slightlyrandom | Yeah, I want to learn that, too |
| 21:05.47 | slightlyrandom | Just to be able to say I can |
| 21:05.59 | Nash|327 | English wouldn't have been so widespread in the Western world if it used entirely different characters and had to roots in other European languages. |
| 21:06.38 | slightlyrandom | Ah, well |
| 21:06.46 | Nash|327 | D: |
| 21:06.50 | Nash|327 | So Chinese, naw. |
| 21:07.12 | Nash|327 | Isn't Chinese impractical for typing anyway? |
| 21:07.29 | slightlyrandom | They seem to get by |
| 21:07.53 | slightlyrandom | Anyway, there are more chinese on the web than native english speakers |
| 21:08.22 | slightlyrandom | And there's gonna be a whole lot more of them soon |
| 21:08.48 | Nash|327 | There are a lot of Chinese people, but how many of them make any great contribution to humanity? |
| 21:10.51 | Nash|327 | How much even reaches the Western world, apart from plastic toys? :G |
| 21:11.54 | slightlyrandom | :) |
| 21:12.27 | Nash|327 | Between the cultural divide and the language divide, I doubt Chinese will be a world language any time soon, if ever. |
| 21:20.20 | ThunderLord | is there a way to make it so that you can test ur map and be signed in to Bnet at the same time? whenever i press Test map with my SC2 open it does nothing, and whenever i do it with SC2 closed it opens my map but im not signed in to SC |
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| 21:21.49 | Nash|327 | You could publish it? |
| 21:21.57 | JManV|Work | you can test map, quit your map, sign into bnet, then test map again |
| 21:22.17 | ThunderLord | ok |
| 21:22.20 | ThunderLord | ill try that |
| 21:22.48 | JManV|Work | i do it on accident all the time, then people start messaging me while i'm testing my map |
| 21:24.15 | ThunderLord | worked |
| 21:24.16 | ThunderLord | thanks |
| 21:31.14 | JManV|Work | no prob |
| 21:52.16 | casperb | a pot of gold if anyone figures out how to copy unit facing in data :p |
| 21:53.37 | casperb | i feel dirty doing it in triggers :/ |
| 22:02.23 | JManV|Work | how do you think the triggers feel? :P |
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| 22:04.52 | casperb | hehe |
| 22:10.00 | Shadowsong | anyone here on (US) and good with cameras and 3rd person movement? |
| 22:10.28 | casperb | racist :o |
| 22:11.24 | A1win | nationalist |
| 22:11.40 | A1win | or regionalist in this case, rather |
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| 22:25.06 | Hati | meow |
| 22:26.45 | Nash|327 | kittuns |
| 22:27.22 | Hati | yeah kittuns |
| 22:28.26 | casperb | we have another? o.o |
| 22:30.12 | Hati | yeah |
| 22:30.18 | Hati | iam provoking helral |
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| 23:19.09 | casperb | JManV|Work: Did you settle on the camera angle? |
| 23:19.16 | casperb | composition is key! :p |
| 23:19.23 | casperb | sex sells :p |
| 23:19.52 | JManV | i did not settle on a camera angle |
| 23:20.04 | JManV | in fact, i reverted for the time being because it was distracting me |
| 23:21.19 | casperb | ugh, unit created event preceeds the creation effect..? |
| 23:21.29 | casperb | would think that the event would come last |
| 23:21.33 | JManV | does it? |
| 23:21.37 | casperb | appears so |
| 23:21.37 | JManV | that doesn't make sense |
| 23:21.59 | JManV | not saying it's not so, just saying if it is, that's stupid |
| 23:22.01 | casperb | by effect i mean the data effect that can be applied |
| 23:41.32 | Razernok | Anyone know how I can make this work while mouselooking? |
| 23:41.34 | Razernok | Camera - Pan the camera for player Player to ((Position of Unit) offset by 0.2 towards (Facing of Unit) degrees) over 0.1 seconds with 0% initial velocity, 0% deceleration, and Do Not use smart panning |
| 23:54.40 | casperb | JManV: Just FYI, Create Unit creates the unit, invokes the event, then applies the spawn effect. Spawn does it the proper way |
| 23:54.58 | JManV | hmmm |
| 23:55.34 | casperb | Love when things just can't work! :D |
| 23:55.46 | casperb | using a behaviour as a marker of child units |
| 23:56.15 | Razernok | i guess not |
| 23:57.01 | casperb | Razernok: depends on how you do mouse look |
| 23:57.15 | casperb | Razernok: if you're locking mouse rotation, then the camera input is locked no? |
| 23:57.40 | Razernok | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:57.41 | Razernok | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:57.43 | Razernok | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:57.44 | Razernok | no |
| 23:58.17 | casperb | not my question |
| 23:58.26 | casperb | eh don't see the issue really |
| 23:58.46 | Razernok | i need to pan the camera while in mouselook |
| 23:58.54 | casperb | yeh so just do it :p |
| 23:59.22 | Razernok | it won't let mouselook work then |
