IRC log for #sc2mapster on 20110128

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22:29.00Demonettewell there will be more then one nydus canal systems
22:29.04Demonetteabout 4 i guess
22:29.43Demonetteand as all normal nydus worm systems a linked together the canal system would be messed up
22:30.05Demonetteand if i enter one nydus canal how could i know i come out of the right one
22:30.07casperbcan do either, A, regions, B, player per nework
22:31.45Demonette=P
22:31.52Demonettebut thats not how i want it to work =P
22:32.22Demonetteand what if i want to use them in a map were i can built more of those?
22:32.41Demonettemaybe there will be more canels then player after a while
22:32.47Demonettetrue i could still use regions...
22:32.50casperbregions then :-P
22:32.50Demonetteor triggers
22:32.59Demonettebut i want neither...
22:33.06casperbgot no choice ;)
22:33.09DemonetteMmmhh
22:33.29DemonetteThat sucks =/
22:34.00DemonetteWell maybe i can get it working somehow
22:34.09Demonettewithout regions =P
22:34.18Demonettei know i have silly restrictions...
22:35.29casperbyou want the cake and eat it to, but it better be cherry!!! -_o
22:36.10Demonette=P
22:36.25DemonetteI want stuff with quality =D
22:36.36DemonetteNot work arounds
22:40.41Demonettewell thanks for your efforts
22:42.43JManVpurl!
22:42.55JManV~seen JManV|Work
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22:43.21JManVoh yeah, you weren't here :P
22:43.46JManVsorry, had to d/c.  did you figure it out casperb?
22:44.32JManVmy cat is eating paper
22:44.36Hatiyay purl is back
22:45.09casperbo.o
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22:47.21JManVso i still can't convert an actor to a catalog string
22:48.33JManVanyone have any ideas on how i might do that?
22:51.15casperbLike i said originally, i'm not sure you can, if implict casting doesn't work i have no idea
22:51.27JManVyeah, it didn't work
22:51.36JManVcouldn't cast to game link - actor or to string
22:53.25casperbThen you sir, appear to be screwed :p
22:53.26JManVi'm so about to create buttons with an id of the units id plus "_button" or something like that
22:53.52casperbare the token accessible in catalogs?
22:54.01JManVyeah
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22:54.06casperbtokens*
22:54.16JManVi'm pretty sure
22:54.32casperbwell then, now this is a big IF, if the unit has followed the convention, you should be able to get the unit linked to the actor
22:54.40casperbkinda hacky bu
22:54.41casperbt
22:54.49JManVeverything is
22:54.56JManVthere's no "non-hacky" way to do it
22:55.19JManVwhich is a little ridicilous imo
22:55.56casperbwell, it's a limited in-house tool
22:56.09JManVright
22:56.32JManVi mean granted: it's the best editor any game has ever had
22:56.42JManVpublic at least
22:57.02JManVbut some of this stuff is just plain backwards
22:59.05JManVi'll do a scan and see how long it takes i guess
23:03.09DemonetteMmmhh...
23:03.12Demonettebored =(
23:03.30JManVwhat you working on?
23:07.40DemonetteMmmhh...
23:07.43JManVlooks like i don't get the token
23:07.52JManVbut it looks like the parent
23:07.53Demonettecookie =)
23:08.00JManVtaco?
23:10.08JManVi could really go for some true implicit casting right now
23:10.23JManVlike: why to i have to explicitly convert string to text?
23:10.36JManVthere's no danger there
23:10.40JManVno loss of precision
23:10.54JManVsame for integer to real
23:11.06JManVboolean to int
23:12.28casperbHeh i'd settle for a casting operator -_-
23:14.50JManVbut what i'd really like is to be able to refer the the catalog in an OO fashion
23:15.22JManVUnit["Marine"]->Actor->Icon
23:15.28JManVsomething like that
23:16.09casperbHmph, attaching actor to actor in data? :o
23:16.18JManVthe actor might be a bad example
23:16.39JManVbut maybe Behavior["MyBuff"]->Button->Icon
23:16.48JManVbutton, face, whatevere
23:16.57casperbwell it's just a few calls in most cases
23:17.09casperband 70% of the catalog is readonly
23:17.29JManVperfect case for OO
23:17.38JManVthat's fairly normal
23:17.42JManVin OO programming
23:17.52JManVgetter/setters
23:18.00JManVor like c#
23:18.21JManVwhich they prolly used to build the game
23:18.33casperbyeah its c++
23:18.54JManV++ still?
23:19.11casperbyup
23:19.13casperbmsvc as a dll dependency so
23:19.14JManVdirectx is fully available in c3, right?
23:19.20JManV#
23:19.34casperbno idea, haven't been writing any real code in ages
23:19.38Sumo-i think soi
23:19.41casperbart school ftw :p
23:19.51JManVi've written c# lately for work. it's cool
23:19.56Sumo-im a c# programmer
23:20.05Sumo-for years
23:20.07JManVi haven't done much
23:20.14JManVbut i picked it up almost instantly
23:20.19Sumo-its the best.
23:20.21JManVand i really like it's features
23:20.23casperbi like it, more or less a java wannabe but slightly cleaner
23:20.24JManVover c++
23:20.31Sumo-its fully featuered man
23:20.36Sumo-lambdas and linq
23:20.39Sumo-i cant say it enough
23:20.40JManVyeah, there's a lot there
23:20.45Sumo-extension methods and generics
23:20.51casperbwindows forms is horrible tho
23:20.56Sumo-yeh windows forms is weak
23:21.08Sumo-it has wpf though
23:21.15Sumo-i hear good things, i personally dislike it
23:21.24JManVi had to make a web service.  it was way easy
23:21.36casperbruby ftw! :p
23:21.37Sumo-yeah i build a whole factory model for web services
23:21.46Sumo-fully like
23:22.04Sumo-ProxyFactory.Create<SomeServiceInterface>(params)
23:22.22JManVcool
23:22.32casperbSo anyways, attaching an existing actor to another existing actor?
23:22.43Sumo-:/
23:22.46JManVoh
23:22.58casperbbecause if i hide it, the unit is basically unselectable
23:23.02JManVi actually know nothing about that.  sorry :|
23:23.18JManVhide what?
23:23.41casperbunit b's actor
23:23.52casperband create a new one on unit a
23:23.54JManVi'm lost
23:24.02casperbhehe
23:24.13casperbAlright so unit B can be attached to unit A
23:24.27JManVattached like how?
23:25.09JManVgimme an example maybe?
23:26.46casperbBasically i'm recreating a "stinger", but it's actually two units conjoined so that different players have control of the different parts
23:26.55JManVok
23:26.59casperbin triggers this was a two second job but trying to convert it over to data
23:27.40casperbSo, a buff keeps both units at the same location
23:27.52JManVok
23:28.33casperbbut this obviously stutters and only works for the logic, need attach the visuals of the child to an attachment point of the parent
23:29.07JManVso you're hiding unit b
23:29.16JManVbut you want it to be selectable
23:29.34casperbaye
23:29.51JManVhmmm
23:29.58JManVhaven't had much luck with hiding units
23:32.14JManVhmmm
23:33.57JManVi also haven't worked with attachment points at all :(
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23:35.09casperbAny idea if a unit's actor can even be attached to another actor? :o
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23:35.54JManVim thinking probably
23:36.18JManVtheres a unit: invisible pylon
23:36.31JManVi'm wondering if you can use that model to make the second unit invisibl
23:37.07JManVhow do your units interact?
23:37.24JManVlike unit B can't move, right?
23:37.32casperbyeah
23:37.37JManVit can shoot tho?
23:37.46casperbparent can move, children can't
23:37.59casperbnot atm, but will be able to :p
23:38.22JManVso you need the shooting to come from where the model does
23:38.25JManVis
23:38.57casperbyeah
23:39.18casperbthat's why i'm thinking i have to keep the unit b  the owner of that model, while it's attached
23:39.41JManVoh, i see
23:39.47JManVthat's a weird one
23:40.04JManVhow does the player control it?
23:40.47JManVselecting targets?
23:40.51Constantis setting dialog item transparency bugged or am i doing it wrong?
23:40.57casperbjust left clicking
23:41.19JManVi haven't known it to work for some things
23:42.25JManVyeah, i think you got me stumped on that one
23:42.29JManVi'm sorry man
23:43.30JManVis there anything like that in the campaign?
23:43.42JManVlike selectable guns attached to something?
23:44.20Constantwas just me who failed bad :P set transparency to 1.0 instead of 100
23:44.46JManVbooyah
23:45.00JManVthis is the hook. it's catchy. you like it.
23:46.43JManVfor the record. scanning all the actors *does* take a long time
23:46.56casperbDon't think so, am just messing around with the host site stuff atm :p
23:47.02casperbsuddently something will work :D
23:47.07JManVknow how the editor lags out all the time?
23:47.16JManVespecially with actors
23:47.19JManVthere ya go
23:47.36JManVyeah. it froze
23:47.54JManVawesome
23:48.00JManVso, button with id
23:48.11JManVlookin real attractive right now
23:52.16JManVwish we could make custom fields
23:52.57JManValthough i'd settle for being able to access the actor
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