IRC log for #sc2mapster on 20110103

00:01.30Phaoshow would one make an invisible wall that can later be removed ?
00:02.16Skizota blocker?
00:02.29Phaosif you remove a blocker it's pathing stays
00:02.41Skizotor maybe a destrucible doodad that is invulnerable?
00:02.44Skizotkill it via trgger
00:02.55PhaosMMM!
00:03.06Phaosnot that is not silly
00:03.12Phaosnow*
00:03.28Skizot:)
00:03.35Phaosthanks Skizot
00:03.38Skizotit's what i do to keep my players in one area.
00:03.48Phaosyeah exactly
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00:04.30ekcolnovkolsixy :u
00:04.37ekcolnovkolsixy six
00:04.57Skizothe's busy touching little boys in bad places.
00:05.03ekcolnovkolsixy
00:05.05ekcolnovkol:u
00:05.26Skizotyous deef
00:05.40ekcolnovkolfiars a heet seekng missail at sixen
00:08.26bountyJManV
00:08.30bountyAre you still here?
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00:08.49Phaoscharacter Dialouge. like in the campaign, with the portrait and stuff. thats "Transmission" right ?
00:09.08Skizotyup
00:16.07Skizoti think i should build a Hero D.
00:16.44Skizotthoughts?
00:21.52Phaoshmm
00:22.29PhaosHero D's are fun to make. but I dunno how successful it would be swimming with the tide of other D's
00:26.37rain````Just have a good selling point
00:26.47rain````All it takes is one neat thing and everyones hooked!
00:31.23Creationdamn where the hell is Mille2
00:31.24Creation5
00:31.30Creation~seen Mille25
00:31.36purlmille25 <~5b0571a7@gateway/web/freenode/x-minzljeyaeuhgwgo> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 210d 6h 36m 52s ago, saying: 'you dont need a function if you dont want to return smth'.
00:31.48Creationthats a long time...
00:33.20Skizotwhy can't i add ramps on castanar?
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00:47.55mattavichany1 here?
00:48.28Skizotgvhmnope
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00:53.05mattavichhow can i go about making all the upgrades of each race available for players tor esearch?
00:53.23mattavichTo be hones ti dont know all the upgrades and whcih buildings give them
00:53.50bountywhat in the fuck does Mark Sound for duration preload do?
00:54.17mattavichi've seen maps with very neat rows of buildings with all the upgrades available even though they dont ahve the req buildings
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01:12.58Skizotyay
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01:22.43Skizotsxhmnit
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01:50.18Dustin|LappySup fellas
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02:18.02rain````What is an Ability of type "Behavior" do? :)
03:02.01Dustin|Lappysomeone go ban trollisop
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03:06.28Dustin|Lappysixen
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03:08.09Sixenic
03:08.28Motive<3
03:09.05MotivePeople in healthy relationships, do this man a favor and give him real advice.
03:09.07Motivehttp://forums.sc2mapster.com/general/off-topic/16537-im-done-with-girls/?page=3#p54
03:10.51Dustin|LappyIll see if I can help this guy hehe
03:11.25MotiveI'm reading the comments and cringing. Lol
03:11.25Mephsim in a healthy relationship
03:11.29Mephsand i'm done with girls too
03:12.51Mephsall they do is nag nag nag
03:15.41Motive:P
03:17.59Dustin|LappyYou gotta train em
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03:43.23progammerSixen: great now this troll brought the entire general forum down :(
03:44.14progammerbtw only till page 7 does the normal thread shows up
03:44.17progammerall others are his
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04:11.18SkizotI am in need of a data pimp.
04:11.19Skizoti need 6 heros each with 7 abilites.
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04:35.02JManVcan i make a dialog button without the button image?
04:42.06BountyHey Jman
04:42.11Bountygot a shocker for ya :)
04:42.12JManVhey
04:42.27JManVis your game not lagging now?
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04:42.29Bountywe did a test with spamming the click triggers but we only had it play the animation
04:42.37Bountythen we added the play sound action
04:42.39Bountyand it lagged lol
04:42.52Bountynot sure yet but we found a possible cause
04:43.36JManVconsider doing any animations or sound effects in either data, or a threaded trigger
04:43.45Bountyanimations are fine
04:43.51JManVany time you call that stuff, you don't want to wait for it to finish to finish your trigger
04:44.14JManVjust consider
04:44.27JManVsometimes it applies, sometimes not
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04:44.40Bountywell
04:44.47Bountyi read that someone was having "lag" issues from sounds
04:44.57Bountyand he used preload and stream and it fixed it
04:45.23JManVah
04:45.28JManVyeah that might help
04:45.39Bountyonly one thingi cant figure out now
04:45.48rain````That may cause stuttering
04:45.55Bountyremember how i got my click triggers to like 0.04 ms run times?
04:46.04Bountyfor some reason, and i dont know if this is a mis reading or something
04:46.15Bountybut the trigger debugger says its taking 10.00 + ms
04:46.21Bountyto run right and left click
04:46.24Bountywhich makes no sense
04:46.28Bountyi didnt even change anything lol
04:46.49JManVin 1-player?
04:46.51BountyWhat may cause stuttering rain?
04:46.53Bountyyeah
04:46.59Bountyoffline and everything
04:47.02rain````Loading sounds from disk
04:47.04rain````heh
04:47.12Bountyso preload and stream will fix it?
04:47.25JManVloading sounds from disk is definitely slow
04:47.26rain````I just said that 'may' cause stuttering
04:47.40rain````But it would be stuttering that only happens once
04:47.53rain````after the first right click thered be no lag
04:47.57Bountyit was a constant stutter whenever ppl clicked alot at the same time
04:48.02Bountyand
04:48.07Bountyidk if u read what i said earlier
04:48.11rain````I did
04:48.21Bountybut we did a test that the only action in the click trigger was an animation
04:48.28Bountyand the second we added a play sound aciton
04:48.32Bountythe issue happend
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04:48.35rain````Wait
04:48.42rain````...
04:48.48JManVhow many times did you try it?
04:48.49rain````Where was the sound played?
04:48.54Bountyas position of unit
04:48.55rain````where as in, where in game, on a unit?
04:48.57rain````AHHhhh
04:49.14rain````You still got a link to pastebin of your original trigger?
04:49.24Bountywhich one?
04:49.26Bountylol
04:49.41rain````The right click one where you check if stamina = 50 and user did right click do a bunch of stuff
04:49.54rain````That's kind of weird that it'd do it only if a sound was played
04:50.01Bountyhttp://pastebin.com/pVwcr5F0
04:50.42Bountythen if you're playing as a "Deathknight" for example
04:50.44Bountyand you right clicked
04:50.47Bountyit would fire this
04:50.47JManVhi friend
04:50.48Bountyhttp://pastebin.com/MTGNAPmA
04:50.48rain````Ya show that
04:53.45Bountywell?
04:53.46Bounty=P
04:54.09rain````It's interesting
04:54.27rain````I'm trying to run through my head why the internals would block (stutter) because of a sound
04:54.42Bountywell you have to imagine
04:54.44rain````Now you say if you have no sound played at all, it runs perfectly?
04:54.47Bounty11-14 players
04:55.00Bountyyeah thats what we did
04:55.16rain````no stutter at all?
04:55.19Bountynope
04:56.00rain````That's beyond weird
04:56.51rain````What I thought may be an issue is a non issue
04:57.02Bountywhat is that?
04:57.33rain````Well, for a second I thought blizzard would've done it in a smart way and synced players on demand
04:58.21rain````But you are also doing an effect, which would need to be synced
04:58.23rain````very strange
04:58.31Bounty:)
04:58.51rain````I did a lot of sync vs non-synced stuff in wc3 and I never ran into ANY issue with sound
04:59.12Bountylike ive told everyone else
04:59.16BountyBlizz fucked something up
04:59.20Bountyrecently
04:59.20rain````I think you are right
04:59.23Bountybecaues all of my old maps
04:59.28Bountyare having this exact same stutter
04:59.29JManVyou really should be doing your sounds with actor events... they're quite easy to set up
04:59.38rain````Doodad hunt wasnt stuttering, i was right-clicking like a madman in that one
04:59.43BountyJman
04:59.46Bountycuold i do the sounds
04:59.52Bountywhen an animation is played?
04:59.56Bountya specific animation
05:00.08BountyDoodad Hunt is SO un complex its not even funny
05:00.11Bountylol
05:00.13Bountycompared to my new maps
05:00.15JManVyeah, you should be able to
05:00.27rain````But it uses click events
05:00.27Bountyill try that then Jman :)
05:00.34Bountydoesnt matter
05:00.37Bountyif i can get an actor event
05:00.43Bountyto fire when an animation is played
05:00.48Bountythen booya
05:01.16Bountyhere we go
05:01.21Bountystay put Jman
05:01.23Bountyi may needy our help
05:01.24Bountylol
05:01.40rain````Or when an effect is created
05:01.42rain````that prolly easier
05:02.00Bountyyeah but thats with triggers
05:02.13JManVtrigger on the effect will definitely be easier
05:03.21Bountyok so
05:03.24Bountyhow do i play the sound?
05:03.35Bountyi have this as the event
05:03.35JManVare you in the actor events?
05:03.47BountyEffect.DeathknightLH.Start
05:03.48JManVyour action can just be "Create"
05:04.10Bountythen what?
05:04.15JManVthat's it
05:04.23Bounty???????? lol
05:04.23JManVthey're that easy
05:04.31Bountyhow the fuck does that play the exact sound i want played?
05:04.34Bountythats impossible
05:04.37JManVyour actor prolly already has a destroy when finished action
05:04.48BountyJMan
05:04.49JManVyou actor has more that one sound?
05:04.52Bountyi dont think we are on the same page
05:04.59nolliepoperAnyone know the exact release date of 1.2? I only heard the first week of the new year.
05:05.05Bountywhat are you talking about? lol
05:05.07JManVthe actor for your sound
05:05.10rain````They aren't easy
05:05.20Bountyi thought i was using actor events for the unit?
05:05.21Bountyright?
05:05.28rain````They are complicated and epic fail at separation of concerns
05:05.28JManVnope
05:05.30rain````hehe
05:05.39JManVtrue enough, but for what he's trying to do
05:05.39Bountywell wtf
05:05.41JManVfairly easy
05:05.47Bountynow i dont know what to do :)
05:05.52JManVbounty: find the actor for your sound effect
05:06.05JManVon the actors tab
05:06.24Bountylol
05:06.27Bountythere is no actor for this sound
05:06.42JManVthen you will need to create one
05:06.56Bountywait no i found it
05:07.01Bountyok but heres the problem
05:07.01JManVok
05:07.04Bountyi use random numbers
05:07.06Bountyto play diff sounds
05:07.11Bountyso its not all one sound being played
05:07.14Bountyhow do i do that
05:07.29JManVare the different sounds contained in the same actor?
05:07.41JManVsome of the sounds do that
05:07.48Bountyok well problem
05:07.52Bountythe 2 most used sounds dont have actors
05:08.02Bountyand i dont use data so im not about to try to create an actor lol
05:08.13rain````What you'd have to do is create a Sound object
05:08.22rain````put whatever 2-3-4-5 sounds you want in there
05:08.23JManVwell, you can duplicate a similar actor and change the sound
05:08.24rain````then use that in your actor
05:08.43rain````You can even weight them so that its 10% this and 90% that sound
05:09.08JManVah yes, that would work really well
05:10.11rain````It could very well be that this will fix your issue because blizzard's "triggers that generate ssounds" infrastructure went fubar
05:10.56Bountywait so
05:11.03Bountyhow do i get it to play a random sound of that type?
05:11.04JManVyeah, that's how they intended sounds to be done... that's how they do it themselves
05:11.10JManVnew sound object
05:11.26JManVfield: sound assets +
05:11.38JManVyou add sounds in there
05:11.39JManVsound files
05:11.51JManVand you can give them a chance to play
05:12.08Bountyah ok
05:12.11Bountycool
05:12.18Bountyi could do the same thing for animations right?
05:12.19JManVyeah, i wasn't aware of that
05:12.22JManVit's very cool
05:12.25Bountyactor event for a unit
05:12.34Bountywhen the unit uses effect
05:12.38Bountyplay so and so animation
05:12.48rain````Actor event is for the effect, not the unit
05:12.54rain````when effect is used, do sound
05:13.06JManVand the actor event goes on the sound actor
05:13.34rain````I'm no expert though, JManV has to validate everything :P
05:13.37Bountyu know what i dont understand
05:13.42Bountythe sound is firing from data now
05:13.51Bountybut the fucking trigger is still taking 17.93ms
05:13.52Bountyto fire
05:13.54Bountythat cant be right?
05:14.16JManV17 ms is a lot
05:14.21Bountyexactly
05:14.24Bountyit doesnt make any sense
05:14.29Bountyit was just .04 ms earlier
05:14.33JManVlike, that's up for the 10 you said last
05:14.41rain````Is your fps 60?
05:14.43Bountyyeah
05:14.49rain````1/60 = 0.017
05:14.53rain````coincidence?
05:14.59rain````hehehe
05:15.03JManVhmmm
05:15.19JManVcomputers don't do coincidences
05:15.45rain````sure they do, thats how iRobot movie worked
05:16.11Bountyguys
05:16.13JManVwell that's a movie :P
05:16.15Bountyif i have Effect event
05:16.17Bountyunder a unit actor
05:16.21Bountywould that work?
05:16.24Bountyto fire an animation
05:16.25JManVi don't really believe in coincidences in programming
05:16.34JManVyes
05:16.43JManVthat's how it's done
05:16.51Bountyand it wouldnt make it so every unit on the map does that animation right?
05:16.55Bountyonly the one that used it
05:17.05JManVonly when the effect is used
05:17.10Bountyyeah but
05:17.14Bountysay 2 people play as deathknight
05:17.20Bountyand one of them uses that effect
05:17.20JManVwell, what's the rest of your event?
05:17.23Bountywould it play for both?
05:17.28rain````Only the unit that did the effect
05:17.42Bountyi just have effect deathknight RH start
05:17.56JManVjust start?
05:18.02rain````Oh that's not a unit effect
05:18.05rain````thats a point effect
05:18.06Bountyyeah i havent gotten to that part yet lol
05:18.22Bountywell
05:18.25Bountyin the trigger
05:18.27JManVoh, yeah, it is a point effect
05:18.29Bountyit casts it FROm the unit
05:18.35Bounty<PROTECTED>
05:18.43JManVthe animation will fire at that point
05:18.56rain````oh right nvrmind
05:19.00Bountywhat?
05:19.04Bountyat that point?
05:19.12JManVif your actor event is effect.start
05:19.20JManVthe animation will fire at the target point
05:19.28rain````its from Played Controlled Unit[PlayerID] that will get the animation/sound
05:19.29JManVthat will be the location of it
05:19.30rain````and only that unit
05:19.40rain````right?
05:19.44JManVhmm
05:19.50JManVmight have to test it
05:19.56JManVtry it like you ahve it
05:20.09Bountyabout to test right now
05:20.10JManVmake sure it fires in the right location
05:20.16rain````before you make it all work, see if it fixes the lag :)
05:20.34JManVindeed
05:21.09Bountyyeah its working
05:21.15Bountyshould i place other units of my type around me?
05:21.16JManVok great
05:21.18Bountyjust to see if they animate?
05:21.27JManVthey won't
05:21.32JManVif they don't use the effect
05:21.37JManVthat's the point of the trigger
05:21.40Bountyoh and
05:21.43Bountythe animation doesnt stop lol
05:21.46Bountyit just loops
05:21.54JManVheh
05:21.59Bountyso
05:22.00Bountyevent
05:22.03BountyAnimDone?
05:22.05JManVyeah
05:22.06rain````It converted your ability into Cloud Strife's super ultimate
05:22.13rain````omnislashhh!!!11
05:22.15JManVeither destroy or animstop
05:22.23JManVheh
05:22.35JManVanimstop if it's a unit animation
05:22.39JManVdestroy if it's a one-time
05:22.58Bountywhat in the fuck
05:23.02Bountyfor animation done
05:23.08Bountyits not giving my animation choices
05:23.10Bountyit slike
05:23.13Creationwatch your mouth bounty
05:23.15Creation:D
05:23.16BountyAberration - abberation Swarm
05:23.19JManVreally?
05:23.22Bountyyeah lol
05:23.30JManVnot you, creation
05:23.39JManVgettin on your shit for fucking cursing
05:23.44JManV:P
05:23.48Creation:(
05:23.58JManVsorry
05:23.59Creationshut the fuck up :(
05:24.12Creationjk
05:24.33JManVhmm so
05:24.37Bountyyeah so
05:24.41Bountywhat is i gon doo
05:24.56JManVi'm no expert at actors, so i'd have to look at another actor that does the same
05:25.05JManVare you trying to do a cast animation or something?
05:25.09Vail|Gonewhat do we want " Patch 1.2" when do we want it " Now
05:25.10JManVon the unit?
05:25.14Bountyno i alrdy did that
05:25.17Bountyi want the animation to stop lol
05:25.27Vail|Gonei mean Hello
05:25.30JManVbut it's a cast animation, right?
05:25.30Creationbounty im pretty good with actors what u need
05:25.49Bountyit goes like this
05:25.56BountyEvent - Effect.DeathknightRH.Start
05:26.04BountyAnimPlay Attack.05
05:26.31Creationyou using actor message or animation
05:26.44Bountywhat?
05:26.51JManVunit actor
05:26.57Creationyou making the attack animation with an actor message or the play animation trigger
05:27.02Bountyoh
05:27.08Bountyin the data editor
05:27.11Creationoh
05:27.12Bountythe units actor
05:27.27JManVyou should be able to do animation done (any)
05:27.34Bountywhy are we talking about this?
05:27.36Bountythats not the problem
05:27.38Bountythe problem is
05:27.41Bountyi cant get it to stop
05:27.44Creationsorry bounty thought we were talking triggers, all i know in data is beams
05:28.12JManVbounty: sometime you need to know where you're coming from to understand where you're going
05:28.39Bountyno idea what u mean :)
05:29.00JManVthe scope of your questions are sometimes larger than you realize
05:29.12JManVsometimes you need to back up a little to really understand everything
05:29.34JManVyou always ask why people ask questions which seem off topic to you
05:29.41JManVbut often they are very much on topic
05:30.33JManVanyways, try animation done > (any) for a second
05:31.26Bountythen ANim clear
05:31.28Bountyor Destroy?
05:32.02JManVdon't destroy a unit model :P
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05:32.29JManVi guess try animation clear
05:32.34Bountydidnt work
05:32.36JManVi'm not great with these... sorry
05:32.40Skizotyay ish
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05:33.06JManVi'm looking through high templars actor right now
05:33.08Skizotwho here is a data editor pro?
05:33.17JManVbut there's a lot going on there
05:33.53JManVwell, it should be animclear... that part should be right
05:34.05SkizotI need some super pro heroes.
05:34.17Skizoti have eveything BUT them done for my HD
05:34.33JManVsuper pro heroes?
05:35.25Skizotpimper than the pimpinest pimps
05:35.44JManVso what's the issue?
05:36.44Skizoti lack the abilities in data editor?
05:36.53Skizoti can trigger and terrain like a god.
05:37.00Skizoti just hate the data editor
05:37.12JManVhave you gone through biffu's complete hero tutorial?
05:37.34JManVit basically spoon feeds it to you
05:37.37JManVit's awesome
05:37.46JManVand it'
05:37.56JManVs not all video, so you can jump through it
05:38.02BountyJMan
05:38.11JManVi'm still lookin bounty
05:38.12Bountycouldnt i just be lazy and use the trigger to clear the animation? lol
05:38.13JManVwhat's up?
05:38.27JManVyou could, but...
05:38.50JManVat that point it kindof defeats the purpose
05:39.02JManVand once you figure it out once, it applies to all instances
05:39.02Bountyfair enough
05:39.03Bountyalso
05:39.08Bountyshould i have all this in one trigger now?
05:39.09Skizot:(
05:39.21Bountyor still keep it as a trigger that fires a create thread fuction
05:39.50JManVwell, anything in data is done in its own thread
05:40.01Bountyno i mean
05:40.05Bountysince im changing this stuff
05:40.07Bountymy old triggers
05:40.13Bountyshould i keep the layout the same?
05:40.19Bountyor move it all into the click trigger
05:40.41JManVpersonally, i hate having anything in an actual trigger
05:40.55JManVi almost always have a single line that calls an action definition
05:41.43JManVit doesn't really matter tho
05:42.32JManVso i don't see how high templay stops his cast animations
05:42.54JManVwe both might have to do a little studying about actors
05:43.01JManVbut it will benefit you in the long run
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05:43.07JManVfor this project and your next one
05:49.48Bountyis there a wait timer?
05:49.51Bountyin actor events
05:50.11JManVset timer
05:50.20JManVthen you make another event
05:50.25JManVtimer expired
05:50.34Bountyand that doesnt cause lag?
05:50.36JManVset timer is an action
05:50.51JManVno, it shouldn't
05:51.17JManVthink of all the game effects that go off at a time during a normal game
05:51.27JManVthose are all programmed using actor events
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05:52.11Sumo-whats the event when a user is about to place a structure?
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05:52.48JManVprobably trigger off the ability sumo
05:53.35rain````Are you a data editor expert JManV?
05:53.37JManVone of the stages should be before target
05:53.44JManVno, i'm a trigger expert
05:53.51JManVbut i know a few things about data
05:53.57rain````Ah
05:54.31JManVi've found i'm actually pretty decent helping people figure out things in data that i don't actually understand myself :P
05:54.33rain````Triggers are easy for me, but trying to get the data editor to do what i want is tricky
05:55.03rain````Right now trying to figure out how to get individual upgrades on units
05:55.05rain````for cash
05:55.06JManVyeah, i'm starting to understand how the data editor works in general
05:55.32JManVwhere do you buy the upgrade?
05:55.48rain````individual upgrades
05:55.49rain````per unit basis
05:55.56JManVso you buy them on the unit?
05:56.00rain````ya
05:56.05JManVunit abilities
05:56.09JManVcan cost cash
05:56.12rain````it's tougher than I thought it was gonna be!
05:56.17rain````Yeah but..
05:58.09JManVbut?
05:58.24JManVor is that the silence of someone trying something out?
05:58.42rain````million other quirks I gotta figure out to make it work :)
05:58.58rain````You use andromeda or trigger editor
05:59.08JManVwell, the upgrade wouldn't be an "upgrade" per se
05:59.12JManVi use trigger editor
05:59.35JManVmost of them would probably be behaviors
06:00.11rain````Yeah
06:00.29rain````I understand that much, but theres more to it
06:00.34rain````Obviously.
06:00.48JManVi might be able to help...
06:00.59rain````Right now i'm trying out abilities of type "Behavior" which dont seemt o be what I'm expecting
06:01.05JManVno promises, but i can usually at least point someone in the right direction
06:01.11Bountyi got it JManV :)
06:01.13Bountybwahaha
06:01.14rain````I'm guessing Ability of tyype Effect Instant is where to go
06:01.18rain````but then I gotta make an effect!
06:01.25JManVeffect of type apply behavior
06:01.27Bountyyou have to type the name of the animation
06:01.29Bountyto clear it
06:01.30rain````Bingo
06:01.41JManVsweet
06:03.07JManVso now it bears the question bounty: how's it run?
06:03.24Bountyget me 10 ppl and lets find out
06:03.24Bountylol
06:03.28rain````Haha
06:03.28JManVheh
06:03.52rain````Create 9 starcraft units at (center of region here) facing (Bounty)
06:03.56JManVwell, i'm obviosly not occupied enough in my own map that i can't help out
06:04.03rain````Order (Last created unit group) to play map
06:04.22rain````I srewed that up
06:05.56JManVno matter. we get the gag :P
06:06.44rain````Yeah but anyway
06:07.11rain````Lets just say 40 resources for the first upgrade and another 80 resources for the second upgrade
06:07.16rain````each upgrade adding 50 damage or something
06:07.21rain````not as simple as I thought it was gonig to be
06:07.22rain````not at all simple
06:07.35rain````Data editor can streamline somethings but really chokes on others
06:08.08JManVabilities should be able to have levels
06:08.32rain````but abilites dont add damage, effects do
06:08.51rain````err, behaviors rather*
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06:09.01JManVthe other option is multiple abilities
06:09.13JManVstacked on top of each other on the command card
06:09.28JManVwhich is how normal upgrades are done
06:09.55JManVlook at the command card for forge
06:10.06JManVrequirements determine which ability to show
06:10.58JManVmake any sense?
06:11.17rain````Interesting.
06:11.29JManVrequirements are a bitch... don't get me wrong
06:11.45JManVbut it's the way you're kindof forced to do it
06:12.17rain````But then I'd have to make an ability, effect, and behavior, for every single upgrade on every single unit no?
06:12.17JManVbut you can look at the upgrade requirements to see how those are done too
06:12.22rain````hehe :)
06:12.26JManVyep
06:12.35JManVthere's the true trappings of the data editor
06:12.40JManVit doesn't scale well
06:13.16rain````That's actually not all that bad though
06:13.21JManVonce i reach that point, i start thinking about ways i might be able to do a "hybred"
06:13.25rain````If you figure something like +30% dmg is an upgrade right
06:13.30JManVbut duplicating does help things
06:13.31rain````If unit A and B both have that
06:13.57JManVsometimes you can duplicate most of an abilities objects in one dup
06:13.58rain````they can ahve diff abilities (for different prices) which apply the same effect/behavior to the caster which works
06:14.28rain````In Wc3 we could trigger upgrades.
06:14.31JManVyeah, that's actually how a lot of things are built
06:14.32rain````it was reeally, really, really nice.
06:14.37JManVyou can trigger upgrades
06:14.46JManVi like hybrid systems
06:14.51rain````We could trigger like
06:14.53rain````+500 dmg
06:14.53JManVyou get the best of both worlds
06:15.06rain````UnitAddDamage(unit, amount_of_damage);
06:15.07rain````done
06:15.14JManVpower of data editor, flexibility of triggers
06:15.24rain````how could you trigger that though?
06:15.26rain````you cant
06:15.29JManVlets see
06:15.44JManVdunno
06:15.50JManVheh
06:16.02JManVthe thing i did that was similar to that was all data
06:16.10JManVcouldn't find a better way
06:16.12Clordtrigger can make unit do mega damage ^^
06:16.13Clordlol
06:16.15JManVsometimes you're just stuck
06:16.19rain````rofl, mega damage
06:16.23Clordyeah
06:16.24Clordthey call it that
06:16.26Clordmega damage
06:16.54Clordit is stupid system how they did trigger to change how much unit deal damage
06:16.59Clorddeals
06:17.08rain````I can add behaviros to units via triggers
06:17.11rain````behaviors*
06:17.25rain````So I guess in theory if i had a behavior that gave +1 dmg
06:17.25JManVyes you can
06:17.29rain````I could trigger it
06:17.42rain````a +1, a +2, a +4, +8, 16, 32, 64, 128, 256, ..., 4096
06:17.44ClordUnit - Make Selected Unit[(Triggering player)] Deal Mega damage
06:17.46ClordXD
06:17.47rain````And now can add any amount of damage?
06:18.00JManVyeah, if you want it to do the same thing every time, you can do a hybrid
06:18.14JManVyou don't have to build a different behavior per level then
06:18.24JManVyou can also stack behaviors
06:18.32JManVthey can have a max stack count
06:18.41Clordchoices are 0%, 10%, 100% and 300% (mega damage)
06:18.44Clord:/
06:18.47JManVso you might be able to do some all data
06:19.17JManVwill an ability with levels that applies the same behavior over and over
06:19.28JManVand i think different levels can have different costs
06:19.31JManVnot sure
06:19.41JManVhaven't played with levelable abilities in a min
06:19.54rain````Levelable abiltiies seems totally underdeveloped
06:19.59rain````IMO it doesnt exist
06:20.16JManVi know i've used it some, and had it work
06:20.25JManVbut i think i did have a trigger somewhere in there
06:20.30JManVlike a one liner
06:20.38JManVability is used, add 1 behavior
06:20.39Bountyu know whats sad
06:20.41JManVsomething like
06:20.45Bountythis is... kinda fun ><
06:20.49JManVwhat is?
06:20.51Clordactually.. you can do abilities what level from player viewpoint but it is tons of work compared to WCIII XD
06:20.55JManVactor events?
06:20.57rain````know anything about Behaviro type Attribute?
06:20.57Bountydoing this stuff in data
06:20.58Bountylol
06:21.08JManVhah
06:21.09Bountyonly bc its going to run better though
06:21.13Bountythats prolly why
06:21.18JManVbounty: how long have i been telling you? :P
06:21.25LiliannaHehehe
06:21.26Clordhonestly whoever designs those heroes for SotA or whatever has some motivation to do heroes lol
06:21.50rain````wc3 abilties were simple and easy, but very limited
06:22.02rain````It's worth the trade off if you utilize the advanced features of sc2
06:22.13ClordI just meant that leveling part :)
06:22.26JManVrain, for behavior type attribute, i gotta refer you to the biffo hero tutorial again
06:22.34rain````googling
06:22.38JManVhe explains how to do levelable stats quite well
06:22.44JManVsc2mapster
06:22.52JManVit's in the tutorials
06:22.56JManVthere's a hero section
06:22.58rain````bifuu ?
06:23.12JManVhttp://wiki.sc2mapster.com/galaxy/tutorials/
06:23.17Clordas SCII is not about leveling heroes etc typically.... I went to other direction and did maps what not rely to leveling heroes
06:23.39JManVyeah, bifuu
06:24.04JManVthe levelable heros works pretty well imo
06:24.06ClordI found out that leveling units are more bad ass en masse =)
06:24.34JManVmy original map let basically every unit level up
06:24.39rain````depends on the cost efficiency ratio of course
06:25.00JManVrain, did you find the tutorial?
06:25.24JManVthat page i linked, under the data editing section, under heroes
06:25.38JManVcomplete hero tutorial by bifuu
06:25.43rain````Yeah sorry I'm reading
06:25.46JManVok
06:25.48Clordit is kinda rewarding design.. basically guy who does pulling away well.. gets rewarded from unit's ability of doing better than most of units of same type :)
06:25.49JManVit's super
06:25.50rain````thats why I asked Bifuu? :)
06:26.14JManVhmmm
06:26.20rain````Clord: sounds like c&c's veteren system
06:26.26JManVyeah
06:26.26rain````you get a fully vetted dude and he regens and kickas arse
06:26.35Clord:)
06:26.41rain````too bad it always ended up being a mechapede just afte rit owned your base in 3.4 seconds flat
06:26.41ClordRA2 it was most extreme
06:26.46JManVwould be interesting for just stock melee + veterancy
06:27.37ClordTHE Card Game.... aka european popular map does not use veterancy system :)
06:27.38JManValthough, i'm not sure all units should gain exp at the same rate
06:27.49ClordI figured out that it would be too extreme to let units level there
06:27.50Clordlol
06:28.18rain````problem with units gaining exp and veteren'in up is it is easily prone to favor more expensive units
06:28.22rain````which throws off the balance
06:28.28JManVyeah
06:28.32rain````vetted zergling? woodpy do
06:28.48Clordhehe... thus I figured out in one of my experimental or whatever maps ^^
06:28.49rain````fully vetted protoss carrier?....
06:28.52Clordweaker units
06:28.54Clordbenefit more ;)
06:29.17JManVwell, in the map i made, the benefits were static
06:29.23JManV1 level was like +1 damage
06:29.32Clordor actually I made zerg units so that.. when they receive damage... they give exp to nearby allies :)
06:29.34JManVhowever, carriers tend to gain experience faster
06:29.38JManVthan zerglings
06:29.49JManVbecause they can kill more units with higher exp rewards
06:30.17rain````yeah
06:30.27JManVso if you can balance that
06:30.31JManVand have static rewards
06:30.33rain````in C&C they did the opposite I think, zerglings would level up instantly while carriers would take forever to level up
06:30.33JManVmight work
06:30.43JManVthat's balancing that effect
06:30.43rain````It's a neat system IMO
06:30.47rain````pros outweigh the cons
06:30.53Clorddifferent exp amount requirements is good way to go
06:31.01JManVyeah
06:31.05JManVcould work
06:31.06rain````Either way, the zergling can and will go splat very quickly
06:31.11JManVanyways, i have my hands full
06:31.13rain````no matter how much of a veteren!
06:31.28Clordand using percentages with levels so multi hit units not benefit insanely from same amount ^^
06:31.32JManVit depends
06:31.44JManV20 vetted zerglings might be a much bigger deal
06:32.31Clordobvious indicator would be that they grow bigger and bigger.. until you have some titan in the field taking up screen space like Overmind
06:32.32Clordlol
06:32.38JManVheh
06:32.40Clordthen getting stuck because damn ramp
06:32.41Clord;)
06:32.51JManVovermind
06:32.55JManVis huge
06:32.58Clordlol weaker units escaping via chokepoints as they still fit
06:33.01Clord^^
06:33.11Clordyeah but not as huge I did my "mega monsters"
06:33.12Clord^^
06:33.21Clord10X scaled zergling lol
06:33.31JManVanyways, i'm making pokemon, which has a similar but different enough structure that none of that really applies
06:33.36LiliannaI had a battle cruiser with 60 movement speed
06:33.38Liliannait was hilarious
06:33.48LiliannaI left the accelerationt he same too
06:33.56JManVi was trying to make bumper orbital commands :P
06:34.17Clordnothing like super slow, awesomely deathstar size and insane HP lol... ^^
06:34.40JManVwell, you make them fast
06:34.48JManVand decelerate slowly
06:35.31JManVbut i had trouble figuring out who hit who, and how hard
06:35.32Clordback in Battle For Middle Earth II days mapping... I made that survival map what eventually comes to almost finale with 25 saurons
06:35.33Clordlol
06:35.54ClordI was surprised that some organized team managed to once win it
06:36.42JManV25 saurons?
06:36.47JManVthat's just mean.
06:37.10JManVwtf was i doing?
06:37.50JManVah yes
06:38.01Clordlol
06:38.09Clordwas after that 50 fire drakes or something
06:38.10Clordlol
06:38.31JManVwhy do you need more than one sauron?
06:38.36JManVit's frickin sauron!
06:39.10JManVdoesn't it undermine his uniqueness to make 25 of him?
06:39.15Clord:)
06:39.19rain````Oh hey, add behavior to unit has a numeric quantity of behaviors to add in the trigger editor
06:39.21rain````!!!
06:39.30JManVindeed
06:39.36JManVmax stack count on behavior
06:39.44Clordsurvival map's idea is style... sauron has regained his ring and you and your allies must survive those damn waves or you are overrun totally ^^
06:39.44JManVyou can stack them
06:42.59Clordhttp://mevault.ign.com/View.php?view=BFME2Maps.Detail&id=395
06:43.01Clord^^
06:43.15Clordback in 2006... my english was plain horrible lol
06:43.21rain````doesnt seem to do anything tho :(
06:45.18Clordspeaking of survival maps: http://war3.incgamers.com/?p=mod&m=10766
06:45.23ClordI'm proud of that one lol >_>
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06:48.11SehkmetHello
06:48.19Clordthose art of defense aka have one unit type to come at time maps was bit boring
06:48.25Clordso I made better survival map
06:48.27Clordbut oh well
06:48.37Clordback in WCIII
06:48.39Clordhi :)
06:49.29Sehkmeti have a problem with the data tab, any1  knows about this issues?
06:50.08Sehkmetsometimes after changing some values.. changing abbilities etc.. i cant change values anymore
06:50.31Sehkmeti right click the item, i click Modify Values, but nothing happens
06:50.40Sehkmeti have to close the data window and open it again
06:54.35Sehkmetok.. A) the 60-70 users here are afk?   B) the 60-70 users dont want to answer me  C) nobody knows anything about this random problem
06:55.08JManVeditor problems are fairly common
06:55.23JManVnot much can be done
06:55.43JManVclosing the data window and opening it again is probably the best solution you're gonna get
06:55.44Sehkmetoh, there is no way to fix this? you got it too?
06:56.01JManVbut don't quote me on that
06:56.04Sehkmetdamn.. its pretty annoying.. ok thanks anyways
06:56.10Sehkmetnp
06:56.19JManVhow often is it happening?
06:56.29JManVshouldn't happen too oftn
06:56.42Sehkmetwhen i test the map and i try to modify something.. its like, 60% of the times
06:57.04Sehkmetand when im editing something , i change the unit/ability that im editing.. its like 25% of the times
06:57.18rain````You using show table view?
06:57.27Sehkmetyes
06:57.40Sehkmetim using all the brown boxes
06:58.04rain````dunno then
06:58.05Sehkmeti started mapping custom 1 day ago.. melee maps 1 week ago
06:58.17Sehkmetwhats the best options for data menu?
06:58.22rain````table view
06:58.28Sehkmetand what about the other brown boxes?
06:58.41Sehkmetdefault values, advanced options
06:59.02Sehkmetoh nvm
06:59.08Sehkmetthey change depending on what 'r u doing
06:59.23JManVmost of the time, you'll use all of them
06:59.34Sehkmetoks.. and a last question for now..
06:59.34JManVexcept for view raw data
06:59.54Sehkmetim trying to cast "scan" from a moving unit
07:00.07Sehkmetbut when i cast it, the unit stops.. so i used the "Transide flag"
07:00.14Sehkmet"transient flag"**
07:00.20Sehkmetbut now, when i try to cast scan, nothing happens
07:00.36Sehkmeti was searching about this but didnt found something useful
07:00.41JManVis it still an effect - target?
07:01.12Sehkmetlemme check
07:02.36Sehkmetwhere i should search for that? Scan as effect or scan as abbility?
07:02.47JManVscan as an ability
07:02.58JManVdid you have to pick a target before?
07:03.09JManVlike normal scan?
07:03.19Sehkmetdamn , i got the data error twice
07:03.41Sehkmetits like a normal scan, u click the ability and u click somewhere in the map where u want to reveal
07:03.55Sehkmettransient doesnt work with pick-target skills?
07:04.04JManVi'm pretty sure i had one of those transient before, now that i'm thinking about it
07:04.59JManVi don't any more tho. i turned it off because of another reason
07:04.59Sehkmetoh.. all of my problems dont have solution :(  jajaja
07:05.26JManVdon't give up so easy :
07:05.34Sehkmeti wanna to make it like a stimpack
07:05.39Sehkmetso u can run while using it
07:05.53Sehkmetbut seems that if u have to target something the heroe 'll stop
07:05.54JManVstimpack is already transient
07:06.05JManVoh
07:06.14Sehkmetlike a stimpack ( talking about how it casts )
07:06.21JManVi swear i had something like that working before
07:06.31Sehkmetworking? nice
07:06.54JManVyeah, i had an effect - target
07:07.02JManVworking on a mobile unit
07:07.04JManVtransient
07:07.06JManVshould work
07:07.08Sehkmetomg
07:07.24JManVso your problem's somewhere else
07:07.26Sehkmetwhen i click the buttom to cast it, nothing happens, and if i stay without moving, it doesnt work too
07:07.39Sehkmetif i un-check transient, it works again
07:07.45JManVweird
07:08.00JManVthere may be another flag
07:08.03JManVconflicting withit
07:08.45Sehkmet'r u busy? or can u test it? its just put scan to a unit ( like a marine ) and checking transient
07:08.55JManVi actually made calldown mule transient
07:09.12Sehkmetoh
07:09.36JManVi changed the unit too, but that doesn't matter here
07:10.21Sehkmeti click the buttom and the mouse changes to the big scan circle, but when i click somewhere to scan, nothing happens
07:10.26Sehkmetthats what happens
07:10.32Sehkmetthe buttom works
07:10.37Sehkmetthe effect doesnts
07:11.15JManVare you sure the effect isn't firing, and it's not the animations only?
07:11.45JManValthough, that shouldn't matter really
07:12.09JManVhmmm... i have a *lot* of flags on for my mule drop version
07:12.19Sehkmetyep cuz the area doesnt get revealed
07:12.30Sehkmetand the animation doesnt appear too
07:12.43Sehkmetwich ones?
07:12.48JManVallow movement
07:12.53Sehkmetat Effect- Flags do you  have any flag on?
07:12.55JManVre-executeable
07:12.58JManVsmart
07:13.00JManVtransient
07:13.04Sehkmetoh i'll check that
07:13.14JManVon the ability
07:13.34JManVallow movement might be your big one
07:13.55JManVre-executeable probably isn't necessary
07:14.05JManVi wanted to be able to shift+queue drops
07:14.21JManVit actually doesn't work while walking tho
07:14.32JManVanything you shift+queue goes to the end of the queue
07:14.47Sehkmetlol
07:15.00JManVi ended up doing something else because of that
07:15.08JManVi used train and stole the mule animations
07:15.24Sehkmettrain?
07:15.33Sehkmetah
07:15.35JManVdoesn't apply to your sitation
07:15.35Sehkmetlike warping?
07:15.38JManVi was creating units
07:15.41Sehkmetyep i know
07:15.46Sehkmetdo you want to test it?
07:15.48JManVexactly like warping
07:15.51Sehkmet'r u from USA server?
07:15.56SehkmetNA*
07:15.59JManVi am
07:16.05JManVgimma a few
07:16.17Sehkmetoks, gimme your # number
07:16.28JManVJMan.733
07:17.47Sehkmetoks
07:19.10JManVok
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07:20.56JManVi'm online
07:21.39Sehkmetmm
07:21.42Sehkmeti dont see you
07:21.45Sehkmet"Jman" #733?
07:21.47Sehkmetor the "." too?
07:21.51JManVsorry
07:21.52JManVJManV
07:21.54Sehkmetah
07:22.35Sehkmetyou decline invitations
07:26.51JManVsehkmet
07:26.54JManVgo into triggers
07:27.04JManVand delete the four lines in the melee initialization
07:30.29Clordyawn :)
07:35.49Sehkmetoh
07:36.18Sehkmeti deleted the first 3 lines
07:36.22Sehkmeti didnt know what the fourth means
07:36.35Sehkmetwell. thanks anyways with that .. scan
07:36.40Sehkmetclord, you there?
07:36.40JManVthat will get rid of the game over popup
07:36.54Sehkmetclord may know about my problem?
07:37.20Sehkmet( if u know clord )
07:38.04Clordso basically your scan ability does not work... I doubth I actually feel to do anything about it right now XD
07:38.37Clordthere is those "specialists" who typically can fix them
07:38.39Clord=)
07:39.05Sehkmetits weird than "not work"
07:39.17Sehkmetif i use it, and then i right-click the unit, the scan appears
07:39.38Sehkmet(after using it, right click the unit.. not right click the unit to use it )
07:40.23Clordif you mean something like orbital command's scan.. it should work directly with any unit..............
07:40.26Clordalmost
07:40.52Sehkmetyes it works, but when i check the "transient" flag, it doesnt
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07:42.14Sehkmetshould i make a post about this?
07:42.37Clordprobably
07:42.41JManVno, you should figure out what you changed to make it not work
07:42.55JManVbecause that right click stuff is weird
07:43.05Sehkmetits just that, with transient on it dont works, without it, it works :/
07:43.05Clordhowever sc2mapster was way more alive during beta and when game went retail
07:43.09JManVand you've obviously changed at least something
07:43.35JManVi think it's most likely something that you've changed
07:44.03JManVanything green should be suspect
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07:44.17JManVcuz it should work
07:44.21Sehkmetthis is the history: i was asking a friend about how can i cast a skill while moving, he told me about this transient flag.. i check it , i tested it, and it didnt work :/
07:44.40Sehkmetok i'll check green things at abillity tab
07:44.41Clordit is harder as mapper just enjoy from custom games lol..... I don't generally like to join maps what are above my most popular map
07:44.42JManVit doesn't work with your ability
07:44.50ClordI mean below lol
07:45.01onetwolol Clord
07:45.06Clordlol :)
07:45.12onetwoonce you have a soemwhat known map theres so much pressure
07:45.18onetwoand people dont tell you shit
07:45.24onetwoi have one really good tester for my map
07:45.27onetwowho actively plays it
07:45.30onetwolike over 100 games
07:45.31onetwonow
07:45.37onetwoive played like 10-20
07:45.37Sehkmetoh onetwo the recognoized "pro mapper" from the forum lol!
07:45.44onetwolol recognized pro mapper
07:45.50onetwo4 time grammy winner
07:46.00Clordactually... THE Card Game has formed some "pro teams/parties" etc lol.... they actually tell me stuff during match like if they knew everything better than me
07:46.00Sehkmetjajaja
07:46.01Clord^^
07:46.09Sehkmetdid you read my problem onetwo?
07:46.16onetwowhich one?
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07:46.36Sehkmeti put scan to a unit, and i checkd transient flag
07:46.43Sehkmetnow, when i try to use scan, nothing happens
07:46.48JManVyou may know all the stats, but they prolly do know better than you how they affect the game
07:46.51Sehkmetbut if AFTER using scan, i right click the unit, scan appears
07:47.15Clordhehe actually... I have over 250 matches played in that map
07:47.22ClordI have played since damn day one ^^
07:47.28Sehkmetwhat map is it clord?
07:47.37onetwono idea sek
07:47.44Sehkmetm oks, thx anyways
07:47.45Clordbut yeah.. there is people who has probably played already over 500 matches in my card map >_>
07:47.51JManVjust remember: they add perspective
07:47.53onetwoits amazing
07:47.54onetworeally
07:47.59JManVeven if they play slightly less
07:48.04onetwoso, 1.2 coming out soon?
07:48.09Sehkmetlol the poker td map?
07:48.15ClordTHE Card Game
07:48.17Clord^^
07:48.17Sehkmetah
07:48.30Clordsome are nearing 2 million exp!
07:48.34Clordthose guys are crazy
07:48.48Sehkmetim going to test it, brb
07:49.05JManVmy game is getting real fun
07:49.19ClordI gave them carrot "2 million exp achievement"
07:49.22ClordXD
07:49.24JManVit may actually be ready for demo now
07:49.38JManVi kinda wanted to do one other thing
07:49.46onetwoyoud also be surprised how much achievements mean to people
07:49.48onetwoeven if they give nothing
07:49.51onetwopeople like to have things
07:49.52onetwoto show
07:50.01JManVindeed
07:50.08JManVall achievements mean nothing essentually
07:50.12Clordwhat reminds me... maybe I should add that when guy clicks achievement... he shows it to everyone :)
07:50.23ClordXD
07:50.49Clordyeah there is guys like... "I have about all achievements, add more"
07:50.50Clordlol
07:51.58Sehkmet'r u "ekcolnovkov" ?
07:52.12onetwoekcolnovkol isnt ehre atm
07:52.12onetwohere
07:52.19Sehkmetcuz i found "The Card Game"
07:52.28Sehkmetbut it says that ekcolnovkol made it
07:52.33onetwoweird
07:52.41onetwohe made sotis
07:52.46onetwomaybe he has other projects
07:52.47onetwosecret ones
07:53.03onetwolike his illegitimate son, Pedro, in Mexico
07:53.04Sehkmetwhats the name of clord inside the game? i cant find his game
07:53.10Sehkmetlol
07:53.19Sehkmeti tough it was roberto
07:53.24Sehkmethis name
07:53.45Clorderrm.. in european battle.net I'm just Clord
07:53.46Clord^^
07:54.06Sehkmetand who uploaded your map to NA ? or nobody did?
07:54.39onetwoClord Focker
07:54.44onetwo:O
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07:55.57Clordactually it was uploaded to USA too :)
07:56.00Clordbut it never took off
07:56.03Clordreally much
07:56.16Clordeurope and SEA it was succees kinda
07:57.17Clordhttp://www.revolutionalarts.com/showthread.php?t=421
07:57.18onetwolol my map is uploaded on EU
07:57.20onetwolike 20 versions ago
07:57.24ClordXD
07:57.26onetwocompletey broken
07:57.28onetwono localization
07:57.29onetworofl
07:57.37Clordin EU we have it easy :(
07:57.39Clord:)
07:57.51Clordno need special localization to make it compatible with different versions
07:57.52Clord:)
07:58.12onetwolucky
07:58.19onetwoi cant wait till our maps can just upload to one cloud
07:58.29onetwoalready localized
07:58.47Sehkmetim testing the card game
07:58.53Sehkmetit doesnt seems too adictive
07:58.54ClordI can't wait to use my map space to save bank files to server side
07:58.54ClordXD
07:59.03Clordfor some purposes
07:59.09onetwothat too
07:59.13onetwoprobably with marketplace
07:59.19onetwoincreased map protection and server banks
07:59.35Clordit could eg tell current top player in entire europe :)
07:59.53Clordoh and stats like
07:59.55Clordmost used card
07:59.57Clord=)
08:00.25ClordI could just look less used/most discarded card and
08:00.26Clordbuff it
08:00.27Clordlol
08:00.44Clordwould save from tedious play over and over procees :)
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08:02.32Clordthere is tons people who like my map way more than me
08:02.34Clordlol
08:03.15Sehkmetfor the next version u can change the backscreen
08:03.48ClordUSA version is insanely outdated =)
08:04.56Clordwhich reminds me.... let's say map get putted on marketplace... do they only see it in europe then? XD would suck
08:04.57Clordlol
08:05.30Sehkmetlol
08:05.43Sehkmethow a map can change to "featured" at the top of the list?
08:05.51Sehkmetwhat it requires?
08:06.06Sehkmetwhat are the requierement*
08:07.00Clordhow polished map is, quality and uniqueness factors
08:07.02Clordprobably
08:07.29Clordthey didn't really tell me why they picked my map but I assume it has something to do with those
08:07.33Sehkmetbut i think that blizzard cant check 100% of the maps to feature em
08:07.53Clordthis battle was epic http://screenshot.xfire.com/s/108592633-4.jpg
08:08.13Clordwell... users like to recommend maps in blog posts
08:08.14Clord:)
08:08.24Sehkmeti played your map against AI, every time i summon a powerful unit or mass newbie units, they use nuclear lunch..
08:08.27Sehkmetits that spammeable?
08:09.18SehkmetLOL; yes , its K
08:09.23SehkmetINSANELY OUTDATED
08:09.32Clordas I said... USA version is insanely outdated ^^
08:09.48Clordas in.. I don't support it unless it appears to marketplace there
08:10.16Sehkmetand why this guy.. ekcolnovkol uploaded it?
08:10.24Sehkmethe is your friend?
08:10.40Sehkmetis he your friend*
08:10.51Clordhehe
08:10.57Sehkmetis he?
08:11.00Sehkmetor he stole it
08:11.05Sehkmetit says featured..
08:11.08Sehkmetso it may be
08:11.09Clordmaybe in online friend sense :)
08:11.21Clordif that map is featured then lol >_>
08:11.27ClordI would probably bother to update it
08:11.31Sehkmetno
08:11.35Sehkmetthe description says featured
08:11.45Sehkmetlike he is saying " id idnt make this "
08:12.21Clordyeah yeah
08:12.22Sehkmetname: THE Card Game          descripption: Custom, Featured by            author: ekcolnovkol
08:12.40Clordthat featured by was from my part... =)
08:12.44Clordit is so old version
08:12.50Sehkmetkk well!
08:12.56Sehkmetim going to re-make the scan abbility
08:12.57Sehkmetdamn.
08:13.02Sehkmeti have to make it from nothing
08:13.10Sehkmetthis is my first time, i always edit preexisting skills
08:13.24Sehkmetcan i import the scan from somewhere?
08:16.25Clordif you want scan like typical scan ability in SCII.. just use that lol
08:16.46Hedusuhm, anyone free enought to help me with camera settings? http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/map-development/16590-help-with-fps-tps-camera-while-ui-is-on/
08:19.04Sehkmetyes but i already screwd up the scan abbility
08:19.10Sehkmeti have to start from zero
08:19.22Sehkmeti didnt cloned it, i edited the pre-existing scan abbility
08:20.06Sehkmetbtw, i found that i put "Arc = 0" to my screwed scan.. that can screw my transient scan?
08:21.01Clordlol some crappy service wants to sell me virtual birthday cake because my birthday.. >_>
08:21.03Clordsilly
08:21.40Sehkmetlol
08:21.52Sehkmetand u said that cuz you want someone to tell you something around here?
08:21.54Sehkmetlike..
08:21.58Sehkmethappy birthday!
08:22.42SehkmetOMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
08:22.49SehkmetI FIXED THE SCANNNNNNN (LLLLLLLLLLLL)
08:23.45Clordnah........ my facebook is enough flooded already
08:25.10Clordbut yeah thanks XD
08:25.12Sehkmeti said happy birthday, i want a "thanks "
08:25.13Sehkmetjaja nice
08:25.42Sehkmetwell i feel like a pro mapper cuz i resolve a weird problem.. jaja not really, i feel like im sucking :(
08:26.00Sehkmetthanks to jmanV for asking me to search the options like 4 times
08:26.34Clordaah the fine line between ignorance and stubborness
08:26.36Clordlol
08:27.59Clordthis rate this goes to....
08:28.04Clordwise man once said... blaa blaa blaa
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08:33.44Sehkmetclord!
08:33.45Sehkmet'r u drunk?
08:46.59Clorddrunk from live
08:50.29Sehkmetoh damn! i made 1% of my map.. and seems laarge and hard
08:50.36Sehkmetand i have to learn a LOT to make it
08:50.43Sehkmetmaybe 5% of my map
08:51.27Sehkmetand all of this stuff for what? to have a inactive map that nobody plays :(
08:52.16JManVyou don't lose what you've learned
08:52.31JManVi dropped a map like a month into it
08:52.38JManVbut i didn't lose all that time
08:52.50JManVi may still pick it back up
08:53.11Sehkmetye i know, i like that, i made a melee map just for that, i learnd a lot making it
08:53.24Sehkmetbut i wish sometimes somebody play my future maps
08:53.31Sehkmetafter making 90 maps just-for-learning
08:53.49Sehkmetbtw, thanks for asking me to check scan options like 4 times
08:53.50JManVyou should be able to get there eventually if you build good maps
08:54.00JManVand the more you work at it, the better they will be
08:55.06Sehkmetye, but i already though the idea writing papers, and the structure of the map is 99% good.. i just have to map it
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09:06.47JManVhttp://i56.tinypic.com/13zd3ds.jpg
09:06.53JManVthat's what i'm working on
09:07.33JManVpokemon :P
09:21.38Sehkmetlol
09:21.53Sehkmetwhen i read pokemon i though "pokemon is dead!"
09:21.58Sehkmetbut when i saw that image... it looks nice
09:22.13Sehkmetthe zzealot seems a pokemon
09:22.16Sehkmetbut the marine..
09:22.22Sehkmetcant you use a normal human?
09:22.43Sehkmeti think that "Ash" or something like that.. this guy, was a normal human, a marine dont fit it
09:24.36Clordabout wasting time for map projects... I have this board game like thing what is unfinished lol
09:25.19Clordinspired from this http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/Command_Board
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09:29.14Sehkmetthe image looks gay
09:29.50Sehkmeti had seen some more images from there and i can change my coment to:
09:29.55Sehkmetthe image is gay*
09:29.56Clordinspired from... not as in clone
09:30.04Clordoh
09:30.05Clordthat image
09:30.06Clord=)
09:30.11Sehkmeti didnt say that your game is gay :P
09:30.19Clordthat image is fine
09:30.21Clord:)
09:30.24Sehkmet:(
09:30.25Sehkmetbtw.
09:30.30Sehkmetwhat does UI - Fidget means?
09:30.30ClordI kinda like that UI
09:30.34Clordjust make it more blue
09:30.35Clord=)
09:31.01Clordlol
09:31.03Sehkmetcuz i have a defense drone with that white circle around it
09:31.08Sehkmeti want to remove it but i dont find the option
09:32.06Clordanyways about that pokemon clone map thing.... I have suggestion that you make combat to take some skill instead like in pokemon
09:34.00Clordas pokemon games combat system is even more linear than WoW mages
09:34.01Clordlol
09:36.04JManVi think i can get away with marine
09:36.16JManVi mean, all the terran units are going to be pokemon
09:36.48JManVand the combat system is pretty close to real pokemon, except it's real-time
09:37.10JManVyou can queue moves
09:37.23JManVor it repeats your last move if you don't
09:38.34JManVthe UI is by race selection
09:38.39JManVthat's the zerg UI
09:38.47Clordyeah noticed
09:38.53JManVthere's 3
09:39.18JManVi don't personally care for the zerg one
09:39.28JManVi prolly should have taken a protoss one
09:39.48JManVno worries.  i'm gonna demo it real soon
09:40.19Clordprotss one looks way better.... typicaly
09:40.29Clordbut zerg default track has nice music ^^
09:41.10JManVnever really notices
09:41.11JManVd
09:41.36Clordthen time to turn music volume up ^^
09:42.05JManVi always notice the terran music, and the protoss music is real mellow
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09:42.52Clordreminds me.. I wonder if "dialog" is good term anymore... they made them too awesome to make interfaces :)
09:43.19JManVyeah, i really like my interface
09:43.47JManVi was just considering putting the normal GUI back in when not in combat
09:43.52JManVtried it out... no way.
09:44.16JManVi don't even think when we get the new options coming up
09:44.19Clordthat helral made that nice library thing for maps where you can just call various GUI elements to inside dialogs
09:44.23JManVi may use those for hotkeys tho
09:44.40JManVhmm
09:44.47JManVthat would be nice with command card
09:44.53JManVthat's all i'd really want
09:45.22JManVso hmmm
09:46.58JManVi want to add text tags to signs when within a certain radius and selected
09:47.17JManVlooks like, if i want to doit in data, i need a sign unit for each individual sign
09:51.46Clord"this shop sells items" lol
09:51.47ClordXD
09:51.59Clordreply is likely "oh really?"
09:52.31Phaosnah not rly
09:52.46Phaosthere is a unit type option for text tags
09:52.54Phaosstick a region under each sign
09:53.13Phaosand just say , if yah in the region, display text tag on closest sign unit to region
09:53.52JManVso i still need one unit object per sign, right?
09:54.30Phaosno
09:54.39Phaosonly one unit object
09:54.52Phaosas I said you can call a unit "type"
09:55.06JManVtype?
09:55.50JManVi don't get it
09:56.10Clordlol
09:56.13Phaosevent - any unit enters region "sign one"
09:56.13Phaosaction - create text tag "loltown"
09:56.13Phaosaction- attach text tag to unit type - sign closest to region "sign one"
09:56.15Agouti+1
09:56.24JManVin data
09:56.24Clordhe means unit type like... "sign man" "marine" "dummy"
09:56.25ClordXD
09:56.41JManVi said if i wanted to do it in data
09:56.48Phaosso you won't need a "loltown" unit and a "roflville" unit
09:56.49JManVi needed one unit per sign
09:56.54Phaosyou will just need a "sign" unit
09:57.10JManVbut then i need to store all those strings in triggers
09:57.16Phaosno you don't
09:57.22Sehkmetguys ! i have 1 last question before going to sleep.. ( here its 7 am ) how can i edit a summon-ability to make the summon able to be created on cliffs, not just on ground?
09:57.24Phaosjust create and destroy as they enter and exit the region
09:57.38Agoutisekmet: Ignore Unit Placement flag
09:57.50Agoutithough that isn't available on Train abilities
09:58.00Agoutiyou might need to either A: Train then teleport
09:58.08Agoutior b: modify unit footprints
09:58.28JManVphaos: you're still talking triggers
09:58.31Sehkmetits already a flying unit, that matters?
09:58.39PhaosI am but text tags are triggers
09:58.45JManVtext type actors
09:58.46Agoutiif it's flying then you should have no problems doing it
09:58.50JManVcan do the same thing
09:58.51Phaosdoing text tags in the DE is counter productive
09:58.58Sehkmetits a point defense drone ( i made it to be able to move )
09:59.04Sehkmetidk why i cant, it appears as red when i try to
09:59.30Agoutithe summon uses a Train type ability, yeah?
09:59.38JManVi don't want to have to store a huge array of text tags for each region
09:59.50JManVi'd rather have them be associated in data... it's easier to manage
09:59.57Sehkmetthe same as the raven summon ability, i just changed some values from that
10:00.09Phaoswould you rather that each sign is a array of text tags? or would you rather make each individual sign unit? one is much much more tedious than the other
10:00.22Clordnot to mention
10:00.24Clordtriggers save space
10:00.30Clordhmmmm =)
10:00.30AgoutiSehkmet, it could also be a Same Cliff Level flag, perhaps, let me have a look
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10:00.49JManVi haven't actually decided yet, actually
10:01.02Sehkmetok
10:01.06JManVwhich is why i'm trying to see what i can do with data
10:01.08Phaosit would be far more efficent to do each sign in the trigger editor. and just have the "sign" unit
10:01.11JManVi know what i can do with triggers
10:01.34JManVi still want to do the radius detection in data i think
10:01.41Phaoswhat why ?
10:01.48Phaosjust do a small circle region under each sign
10:02.10Phaosare signs going to be dynamicly created and removed over the course of the game ?
10:02.17JManVno
10:02.26Phaosif the answer is no -trigger edit. if the answer is yes - data editor
10:02.53JManVi think i like the data version
10:02.55Phaosthe only reason you would want your signs in the DE is if players are going to be creating and removing them
10:03.05ClordPhaos the Sign Man.... yes/no at your service ^^
10:03.44AgoutiSehkmet, the Raven PDD can be placed on cliffs. check what you have changed
10:03.48Phaosbecause the signs are never going to move or never be modified. sign + small circle region under sign + associated text tag variable. Done.
10:03.52Agoutiit may be your Placement Unit
10:04.06Agoutiif it is not flying
10:04.13PhaosJust trying to save you alot of time and map data space JmanV
10:04.22JManVi understand what you're saying
10:04.34JManVbut we're not talking that many signs
10:04.50Clordsome custom images and suddenly you notice that damn bytes can be important XD
10:04.52Sehkmetthe unit that casts the speed is a ground unit
10:04.54Sehkmetthat affects it?
10:05.05Clordwasn't you going to sleep? :)
10:05.13Sehkmetafter my question got solved :P
10:05.31Agoutipossibly, sehkmet
10:05.34ClordI understand some is game addict or horror game player playing 7am but
10:05.40Clordyou map 7am is plain crazy
10:05.42ClordXD
10:06.08JManVyeah, i still think i'm going data
10:06.31Sehkmetok agouti, im going to test if the problem is the sight or not.. if it is, im a stupid and soz for asking.. but i think that i already test that
10:07.20Agoutiwait, when did raven autoturrets cost minerals?
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10:08.05Sehkmetlol?
10:08.08Sehkmetthey costs ?
10:08.21Obatztrarahi everyone..and a late happy new year ;)
10:08.27Clordhappy new year!
10:08.30Agoutinever mind, must be something tied over to a unit ability
10:08.30Sehkmeti really dont know
10:08.34Agoutirandom question to hijack: any ideas for making the blur cloak less noticeable?
10:08.36Sehkmethi, happy nY
10:08.38Clordhappy birtday for me! happy birhday for me!......
10:08.39Clord^^
10:08.40Clordlol
10:08.47AgoutiI thought about a actor even to set opacity to 50% or something
10:08.48Obatztraraheheh happy birthday
10:08.56Agoutievent*
10:08.59Sehkmetagouti i tested it, isnt the sight
10:09.11Sehkmetso ground units cant summon another unit to a cliff?
10:09.18Agoutisehkmet: well, ravens will do it
10:09.25Agoutieven when they are on the ground plane
10:09.26Sehkmetoh
10:09.29Clordthanks Obatztrara :)
10:09.34Agoutiso you need to check what is diff
10:09.39Agoutihappy bday clord
10:09.44Sehkmetthere is a easy solution
10:09.47Clordthanks thanks Agouti
10:09.48Clord=)
10:09.51Agoutiso, no ideas for making cloaked units harder to see?
10:09.55Sehkmeti can make the ground unit to summon the drone without targeting
10:10.01Sehkmeta non-targeting effect
10:10.07Sehkmetmm
10:10.12Sehkmetheigh -1?
10:10.13AgoutiSehkmet, you said the ability was based on the raven
10:10.19Sehkmetlike a burrow?
10:10.21Agoutigo over the ravens summon
10:10.26Agoutiand look for anything different
10:10.26Clordas 25 years old I can say... "fuck yeah" :)
10:10.38AgoutiI'll be 25 in a few months
10:10.42Sehkmetok
10:10.53Sehkmetagouti did u read what i said?
10:11.03Sehkmetheigh -1 and your unit will be 100% undetected (?
10:11.09Agoutino
10:11.15Agoutioh, for mine
10:11.19Sehkmetyes, for you
10:11.24Sehkmetfor your idea
10:11.30Agoutithat is as bad as No Draw - the owner won't be able to see or control it
10:11.39Sehkmetuhmm...
10:11.44AgoutiI need the owner to be able to see it
10:11.58Sehkmetjust dont put detectors.. the effect looks great
10:11.59ClordI think SCII does not care unit height... it just cares of if it is targeted ground, air or both =)
10:12.18AgoutiSehkmet, it is not a case of wether it is detectable
10:12.21Agoutiplayers can see it
10:12.25Clordthen cliff level
10:13.03Clordin fact.. blizzard does terraining ancient way but it makes for us mappers easier time to make good looking maps :)
10:13.05AgoutiI need cloaked units to be much, much harder to see
10:13.15Sehkmeti didnt caught your idea.. u said "cloaked units harder to see" and now you say " players can see it"
10:13.18Agoutias it stands now, especially with large units, it is trivial to follow the blur
10:13.35Agoutithe blur
10:13.36Clordhonestly.. RTS what rely to "cliff levels"
10:13.38Agoutiis easy to see
10:13.42Sehkmetoh
10:13.48Sehkmetits a custom map¿?
10:13.54Agoutiyes, of course
10:13.54Sehkmetyou can decrease the unit size
10:14.01Sehkmeta small unit is harder to see
10:14.10Agoutithe units are really large to begin with
10:14.14Agoutithat is a last resort
10:14.14Sehkmetoh
10:14.31AgoutiClord? any ideas?
10:14.33AgoutiJManV?
10:14.55JManVwhat?
10:15.01Sehkmetcan you use doodads? or its just about the unit parameters
10:15.17Agoutier, doodads? I don't see how I could do that?
10:15.20JManVuse them for what?
10:15.27JManVunits?
10:15.46JManVdoodads are actors of type doodad
10:15.49Sehkmet<PROTECTED>
10:16.04Sehkmetagouti is asking that
10:16.15Sehkmetdoodas.. like.. a jungle
10:16.24Sehkmetlot of threes.. or changing the map textures
10:16.27AgoutiI don't see how they can help me, is what I am saying
10:16.31JManVif a unit is cloaked/burried, it doesn't show the blur
10:16.33Sehkmeti think there are textures where blur is easier to see than others
10:16.51JManVcloaked AND buried that it
10:16.52JManVis
10:16.56AgoutiJManV, burried is probably the way to go
10:17.02Agoutithat should hide it totally
10:17.07JManVyes
10:17.09Agoutias long as it doesn't stuff up movers or such
10:17.19JManVit's what i've used in the past
10:17.20Sehkmethad you tried using water?
10:17.31Agoutier, water?
10:17.33Sehkmetis easy to see the blur if there is water at the background?
10:17.49AgoutiI don't want to have to modify an entire 356x256 to do that
10:17.54AgoutiI think Burried should work
10:17.55Sehkmetlol
10:18.04JManVit'll work
10:18.05Sehkmetthats all? burried?
10:18.12Agoutiyeah, it should - it seems obvious now
10:18.15JManVyup
10:18.17Sehkmeti said heigh -1 cuz i though that u didnt want to go buried
10:18.30Agoutiyes, when unit burrow they are marked as Cloaked and Burrowed
10:18.45Agoutithe actual burrowing effect is a morph
10:19.01Agoutiit has nothing to do with the flag
10:19.48JManVi've used it to make units entirely invis before
10:25.21Agoutihmm
10:25.24Agoutithe only issue
10:25.37Agoutiis now I have to find the actor responsible for making the invisibleness
10:25.50Agoutiso it can still look right to people with vision
10:26.11JManVdetectors
10:26.29Agoutithe issue is, when it is marked as Buried, it doesn't look cloaked when detected
10:26.39JManVoh
10:26.43JManVhmmm
10:26.47AgoutiI could just do opacity 50% or something
10:26.51Agoutivia actor events
10:26.59Agoutiwould look approx right I think
10:27.05JManVprolly
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10:29.18Agoutionce again wish the blur thing was just a built in actor event
10:29.50JManVwish all ya want :P
10:29.57Sehkmethey agouti
10:30.02AgoutiI should write blizzard an angry letter
10:30.05Agoutiexplaining to them
10:30.07Agoutihow angry I am
10:30.08Sehkmeti tried the raven, and it cant spawn drones on cliffs
10:30.16Agoutican for me
10:30.19Sehkmetand the turrets costs mana, not minerals
10:30.22Sehkmethad u tried it ingame?
10:30.25Agoutiyup
10:30.26Sehkmetor just at the editor
10:30.28Agoutiworks just fine
10:30.30Agoutiin game
10:30.46Sehkmetlol
10:30.50Agoutimy bog stock raven
10:30.58Sehkmetand why ur turret costs minerals?
10:31.21Agoutiah, thats because of a unit ability that uses turrets
10:31.31Agoutiand interfered
10:31.51Sehkmetmaybe u changed something from the raven or drone and u made it available to cast on cliffs?
10:32.05Sehkmeti'll check in another map
10:32.09Sehkmetbrb
10:32.37Clordflak gun turret ftw
10:34.12Clordonly thing what in that turret in raven not make sense... then again same can be said almost all sci-fi stuff
10:34.22Clordis that why have such protective plates or whatever when it is not man used
10:34.55AgoutiSet Opacity doesn't seem to do anything
10:35.14Sehkmet2 ravens with 200/200 mana can kill all your workers, blocking their exits through minerals with turrets (?
10:35.32Agoutiprobably
10:35.44Agoutiif you were slow
10:35.50Sehkmetdamn, you'r right, ravens can spawn on cliffs
10:36.37Sehkmetwhere i should check? drone stats? summon drone effect? or summon drone abbility
10:36.46Agoutiall of the above
10:36.48Clordcan't wait those expansions for starcraft 2.... so many starcraft units will make appearance again :)
10:36.52Agoutisee what you have changed
10:37.11AgoutiI hope you *can* wait Clord
10:37.16Agoutibecause you will have to ;)
10:37.27AgoutiARG SetOpacity does NOTHING
10:37.32Agouti:-/
10:39.46Sehkmetthis data bug is pisssing me off
10:39.49Sehkmetits pretty anoyying
10:40.08Sehkmetit happens to you too agouti?
10:40.18Agoutihmm?
10:40.24Sehkmetwhen u try to change a value and the window doesnt poops up? and u have to close the data window and open it again
10:40.44Agoutino, that has not happened to me
10:41.49SehkmetBehaviour:    Terran - Building Burnout
10:41.51Sehkmetwhat does that mean?
10:42.07Sehkmetthat it gets on fire when his hp go low?
10:42.28ClordAgouti.. hehe it is just expression of speech indeed
10:42.37ClordI have patience :)
10:42.40Agoutilol clord ;)
10:42.48ClordI sometimes hear from some awesome game when it is released lol
10:42.58Clordor remember it
10:43.09AgoutiSehkmet: Have a look at the effects. I believe it causes damage, and is probably used by the flames actor.
10:43.17Clordof course I remember but then I think again about it :)
10:43.19AgoutiYou can see exactly what it does if you look
10:43.22Agouti:)
10:43.49Clordthere is currently two games what I somewhat wait :)
10:43.59AgoutiOK, so Set Opacity *does* work, just not for cloaked units
10:44.00ClordDungeons http://store.steampowered.com/app/57650/
10:44.06ClordDuke Nukem Forever (demo)
10:44.07Clord^^
10:44.39Sehkmetniceeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee i solved it!
10:44.51Agoutigoodo
10:44.53Sehkmetthe problem was that..
10:45.07Sehkmetthe Movers were Ground or Ground, idk how the mover-fly got edited
10:45.13Sehkmetand it was exaclty like the ground one
10:45.22Sehkmeti had to go to movers, edit one of em to fly
10:45.28Sehkmetand put fly in the drone movers
10:45.36Sehkmeti never touched the movers
10:45.45Sehkmetidk how / why it got cloned
10:45.50Agoutirandom shit happens
10:45.56Agoutishrugs
10:45.59Sehkmetyep :/
10:46.03Sehkmetlike this data error
10:46.07Clordthere is many mysterious bugs... like how preview picture ignores ground textures
10:46.21Sehkmetwtf?
10:47.05Sehkmetits weird cuz..
10:47.13Clordyeah.. I got my THE Card Game bugged so badly.. that I did need create preview picture as editor generates one with missing textures... fun times :)
10:47.19Sehkmetthe mover was "GROUND" but the drone could still fly through cliffs...
10:47.25Clordhehe
10:47.27Clordwell yeah
10:47.31Clordas they move just above ground
10:48.22Sehkmetthere is any way to see the time wasted on a map¿?
10:48.27Sehkmeti wanna to decrease my moral (?
10:48.49Phaosshouldn't time spent excite you ?
10:48.57Phaosreinforcing the effort you have put in
10:49.10Sehkmetif i made a lot and its just few hours.. yes
10:49.17Sehkmetif i made 3 skills and it tooks 1 day... not really
10:49.33Phaosdepends how elborate your 3 skills are
10:49.48Sehkmetand if its almsot 8 am and i didnt sleep cuz making perfect two skills.. ! who knows
10:50.16Sehkmetit depends on a lot of things, but well, i could finish em almost.. thanks agouti
10:50.24Agoutinp
10:52.56Phaosif it makes you feel any better Sehkmet I have been working on my map since beta
10:53.39Sehkmetlol
10:53.47Sehkmetthe forum makes me feel better
10:54.05Sehkmeti read some questions.. and i know all of em just mapping for 2 days
10:54.08AgoutiPhaos, some maps are never done
10:54.12Agoutie.g.
10:54.12Agoutidota
10:54.15Sehkmet( not 2 entire days, some hours  )
10:54.31Phaosyeah but mine hasn't had a public release yet :P
10:54.51Agoutiah.. not so good
10:54.53Phaosalso. It relies on a couple things coming in the next patch
10:54.59Sehkmeti like a map that nobody plays, i found it the first day i played sc2.. my first custom map i think, its called "Where is Waldo?" i think that nobody played it, poor guy who mapped it
10:55.00Agoutimine is always being balanced/new units/etc
10:56.11Phaosquestion how do I set the camera render distance? I have a low angle. and of course it's rendering everything. including the unseen
10:56.31Agoutier, I saw something on sc2mapster about that
10:56.33Agoutisounded hard
10:56.56Phaosto mapster forums i go!
10:57.05JManVin the terrain editor, you can create camera objects
10:57.21Agoutihmmm, what I'm trying SHOULD be possible with actor events
10:57.37AgoutiI can have an event
10:57.41AgoutiSet Visibility
10:58.05Agouti(ViewerTreatsUnitAsDetected)
10:58.11AgoutiSet Visibility = 1
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11:12.18Sehkmethey guys
11:12.30Sehkmetlook the minute 08:08 of this video: http://vimeo.com/11181508    
11:12.33Sehkmetthats my data problem
11:14.12Obatztrarauhm
11:14.36Obatztraraare you modifying a unit of the campaign?
11:15.07Agoutiwho are you speaking to Obat?
11:15.15ObatztraraSehkmet
11:15.19Obatztrara:)+
11:15.31Sehkmetno, just changelings, high templars's skills, command center's skills
11:15.34Sehkmetsentry's skills
11:15.47Sehkmetravens skills
11:15.59Sehkmetand.. marine skills
11:16.07Obatztrarawell, to me this happaned mostly when I tried to modify already existing units
11:16.18Obatztrarausually the editor would create a copy of the unit right away
11:16.26Obatztraraand it was then possible to modify the field
11:16.41Sehkmetoh
11:17.03Sehkmetso.. how you solved this? u learn to create everything from zero?
11:17.11Sehkmetu stop editing?
11:17.39Obatztrarahad to duplicate the unit
11:17.40Obatztrara:s
11:17.48Sehkmetok, you clone it before start editing
11:17.54Obatztrarayea
11:17.55Sehkmetand you never got the problema gain?
11:18.05Obatztraranot for that unit
11:18.09Sehkmetoks
11:18.38Sehkmetthank you  i'll check after!
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11:26.01Phaosok so I may have been working on this a damn long time
11:26.09Phaosbut I have just reached a milestone
11:26.27Phaosenough to record a demo video :D
11:26.50Sehkmetlol
11:26.53Sehkmetwhats the map name?
11:27.03PhaosMidnight Falling
11:27.39Sehkmet:O
11:27.40Sehkmetok
11:27.47Phaoswhysat ?
11:28.08Sehkmetwhen i see the featured maps and i see Midnight Falling with 1900 games per hour i'll remember your effort (?
11:28.24Phaos^_^ Thx :D
11:28.29Sehkmetdo you have a lunch day?
11:28.36Sehkmetlaunch*
11:28.38Obatztraralawl :p
11:28.49Phaoshaha no. I follow the blizzard model "when it's done"
11:28.57Sehkmetlol!
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11:29.05Sehkmetjaja well
11:29.08Sehkmetim going to sleep !
11:29.10Sehkmetbye
11:29.18Obatztraragnight
11:29.20PhaosBut I will probably put out a playable something in the interum to get people interested
11:29.24Phaosnight!
11:29.28Sehkmetgday! its 08:30
11:29.31Phaosday!
11:29.32Sehkmet:(
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11:54.02JManVhmmm... how to trigger off this
11:54.15JManVi need to trigger on behavior disable/enable somehow
11:54.33Agoutier
11:54.46Agoutiso, you have a behaviour
11:54.57Agoutiwith Validators: Disable [blah]
11:55.00JManVyep
11:55.09Agoutihmm
11:55.23JManVi'm not sure there's a way
11:55.33JManVbut i've been proven wrong plenty when i say that
11:55.35Agoutiperhaps a dummy effect/behavior
11:55.38Agoutiit is possible
11:55.40Agoutibut how neatly
11:55.44JManVthat's what it is now :P
11:55.49Agoutione way"
11:56.00Agoution the behaviour have a periodic, 0.1 say
11:56.06Agoutithat applies a dummy buff
11:56.13Agoutithat does nothing, but expires in 0.1
11:56.24Agoutithen check for the stack count on that in the trigger
11:56.24JManVew
11:56.29Agoutiyeah
11:56.44Agoutithere might be another way to do what you want to do
11:56.46Agoutiwhat is that?
11:56.48JManVi can do the entire solution in data, but it's repetative
11:56.59Agoutiwhat is the ability?
11:57.01JManVi have signs
11:57.08Agoutioh, still that, huh
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11:57.13JManVyeah
11:57.19ZarakkQuestion:
11:57.24AgoutiAnswer!
11:57.37JManVi really like the way i can use validators to check for range
11:57.37ZarakkHow would one make it in the data editor, so that if you use an ability, an animation is played?
11:57.39Zarakk:D
11:57.43Agoutiactor event
11:57.45Agoutiez
11:57.49JManVi'm actually using a 180 arc, which is super cool
11:57.59Agoutie.g.
11:58.03AgoutiFungal Growth
11:58.16Agoutifind the actor which plays the animation you want
11:58.28Agoutithen link it via actor events
11:58.54Agoutie.g. Ability->(your abil)->Cast - Play Animation Bracket
11:58.56Agoutior w/e
11:59.07Agoutijust look up how existing stuff does it, then copy
11:59.13ZarakkI'll try that out :3
11:59.26Hedushey can you use abilities with UI hidden?
11:59.28AgoutiJManV: did you get Arc to work properly with local coordinates?
11:59.34ZarakkThe data editor is like greek to me xD (and I'm not greek :P)
11:59.38AgoutiHedus: Yes, if they have a hotkey
11:59.39ZarakkSo we'll see how it goes
11:59.39StewoxHello and good morning
11:59.42JManVlocal coordinates?
11:59.50JManVis an enumarate area validator
11:59.51Stewoxremember guys about the custom MPQ ?
11:59.52Agoutilike, 0 degrees = unit facing direction
11:59.58Stewoxit's here !
11:59.59Stewoxhttp://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/starcraft-2-basefile/
12:00.00JManVyeah
12:00.10JManVit works so you only read it when you're facing it
12:00.15Agoutimine seemed to want to always have 0 degrees = due north
12:00.17JManVwhich is awesome
12:00.20Hedusah cool so for example a stalker could still blink without a UI by hitting B? :)
12:00.36AgoutiHedus, I believe so
12:00.41Agoutiwithout having tested it
12:00.53Hedusthat would be very good... :P
12:01.08JManVso i want to use that because there's no way triggers can do all that easily
12:01.19JManVand it's just a behavior i apply to the unit
12:01.42JManVif i do the rest in data though, it's 1 unit per sign
12:01.54JManVif i can somehow trigger it
12:01.58JManVi can just have an array
12:03.33AgoutiJManV:
12:03.36Agoutiok how I would do i
12:03.37Agoutiit
12:03.44Agoutiis whatever behavior you are looking for
12:03.53Agoutihave it change the attributes of the sign in some way
12:03.59Agoutithen use Unit Attribute Change
12:04.02JManVinteresting
12:04.03Agouticonditions:
12:04.14Agoutitriggering behaviour == [whatever]
12:04.21Agoutithat could/should work
12:04.25JManVyeah
12:04.41JManVthanks
12:04.48Agoutinp ^__^
12:04.53Agoutithank me when it works
12:04.54Agoutilol
12:05.04JManVfair enough
12:05.22AgoutiI don't think you can use Effect Used
12:05.45Agoutibecause there is no hook to fire an event on disable
12:05.57JManVyeah
12:06.00Agoutiwithout doing something silly and roundabout with dummy stuff
12:06.27Agoutiwhich I hate doing
12:06.52JManVplus, even in data, a 0.1 periodic is gonna cost me
12:07.07JManVfor signs its hardly worth it
12:07.29JManVthat's why i like the validator, no periodic
12:07.39Agoutiwhen you have 1 hero with 2 units, 16 behaviours, 30 effects, 4 abilities, god knows how many actors linked... dummy effects are not wanted
12:07.51Agoutiespecially periodics
12:07.53Agouti:(
12:08.38Agoutiactually, I wonder how many custom data objects I have
12:08.53Hedusalright i got excited and tested it Agouti, turns out it doesnt work. even attack and move dont work for untis without UI
12:09.05Agoutiaww :(
12:09.24Hedusyeah i can still use triggers to order a unit to use an action tho right?
12:09.26JManVcustom ui coming soon
12:09.41JManVwithin the week
12:09.57HedusJManv its just that having a UI on seems to screw up the camera for a FPS
12:10.17JManVgotcha
12:10.24Heduswhich really sucks :<
12:10.24Agouti220 units, 218 behaviours, 538 effects, 282 abilities, 476 actors, 470 buttons, 146 upgrades, 29 models, 98 validators and 255 requirements @____@
12:11.33AgoutiHedus: that is a little strange
12:11.43JManVit's actually reached the point where (i never thought i'd say this) it's easier to do in data...
12:11.46Agoutipeople seem to make 100% custom UI's
12:11.59HedusHeh i know right...
12:12.09AgoutiJManV: you would be surprised just how much is easier a lot of stuff is in data
12:12.25AgoutiI actually prefer DE over GE these days
12:12.52Agoutiwhich makes it all the more annoying when you find bugs which force you to use triggers
12:13.03JManVyeah well i have to make a whole new unit object per sign
12:13.20Agoutithat should be easy in data
12:13.23JManVstill easier
12:13.36Agoutijust with a Search and Create Unit?
12:14.19Agoutiwithout having barely any idea how you are doing what you are doing c_c
12:15.51JManVkinda
12:16.05JManVunit with behavior... the behavior doesn't need to be copied
12:16.18JManVactor type text
12:16.24JManVwith validator for unit type
12:16.32JManVand behavior event
12:17.50Agoutisounds like you know what you are doing, lol
12:18.09JManVi've done the validator search before
12:18.22JManVand i knew it works better than trying to check for unit in region in triggers
12:18.29AgoutiI don't think I have the capacity to understand it right now... sleeeepy
12:18.37Agoutisorry :(
12:18.39Agoutilol
12:18.45JManVno worries
12:20.01JManVit's a little confusing anyways
12:20.03JManVbut it works
12:20.07JManVand it's a cool effet
12:20.11JManVreally all i care about
12:20.41Agoutioh jeese
12:20.55AgoutiI think I'm going to hit 50 DE objects just for 1 hero
12:21.10AgoutiI just realised I have to create another 3 effects and 6 sets
12:21.14Agouti:(
12:21.30JManVit happens
12:21.42Agoutithe DE is getting so damn slow though
12:21.48JManVheh
12:21.49Agoutievery unit I add just slows it down more
12:22.00JManVrun with a filter most of the time?
12:22.05Agoutimmm
12:22.11JManVlike just your objects
12:22.18Agoutidoesn't seem to help a huge amount though
12:22.37JManVclose starcraft? :P
12:22.45Agoutithe thing that seems to take the longest is clickign onto any object, as it searches for linked ones
12:22.51JManVmight depend on your time between tests
12:22.52Agoutiespecially actors
12:23.06AgoutiI do find that restarting GE every now and then helps
12:23.28Agoutirunning in Raw Data is probably a lot faster, actually
12:23.30Agoutihmm
12:24.04Agoutinope
12:24.05Agoutidamn
12:24.30Agoutihah, the unit currently has 99 linked objects
12:24.38AgoutiI thought it must be getting up there
12:24.58Agoutithat includes a bunch of actors, which are used for multiple abilities
12:25.05Agoutiwhich is stupid that it lists them
12:25.12Agoutijust because 2 abilities share an actor
12:33.01ObatztraraAgouti dont show the objext explorer
12:33.16Obatztrarareduces the time you need to click an object to virtually nothing
12:33.24Obatztraraobject*
12:34.24Stewoxaone form enUS region can help on localization for this mod , one guy with good general - PC experience needed (so i don't have to tell him 10 steps how to download a program and open a file ..)
12:34.25Stewoxhttp://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/starcraft-2-basefile/
12:35.02Clordyou could use another guy then
12:35.03ClordXD
12:35.05Stewoxit's not a big project and it won't take you much time
12:35.22ClordI'm European :)
12:35.32Stewoxah
12:35.42StewoxIm too , that's the problem :D
12:35.58Stewoxthis project needs localization , it's dependant
12:36.14Stewoxwhich one you have
12:36.26StewoxenGB ? . cause there are more eu version
12:38.00Clordof course you have another way to get those files but that would require more work for you
12:38.18Clordbasically every major torrent site probably floods of SCII versions
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13:06.01Agoutihi xen
13:11.23Agoutioh... woops -.-
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13:38.46Obatztraraanyone in the mood do to some testing in the EU?
13:38.49Obatztrara:)
13:41.29AgoutiI'm just in the mood to get this damn actor to behave
13:41.29Agouti:(
13:42.35Obatztraraok :/
13:43.01Agoutii'm NA/SEA anyway, sorry
13:43.49Agoutiso, all I should need for an actor to do it's thing
13:43.58AgoutiActor (Simple)
13:44.16AgoutiBehavior.[my behav].On > Create
13:44.25AgoutiCreate > DoStuff
13:44.40Agoutiit shows up under the linked stuff for the units
13:44.53Agoutibut won't actually do anythign
13:45.10Obatztrarawhat exactly do you want him to do? create a model?
13:45.18Agoutijust set opacity
13:45.44Obatztraraah...thats funny...because i was trying the very same thing sadly I didnt figure it out yet
13:45.57AgoutiI can do it if I put it in the units actor
13:45.58Obatztrarathe problem is that you have to address the host actor
13:46.06Agoutihmmm
13:46.09Agoutithe weird thing
13:46.20Obatztrarayea
13:46.24Agoutiis you look at, say, the actor for Mass Recall
13:46.28Obatztrarabut iots way too much work to add it to all units I guess
13:46.40Obatztrarahmkay
13:46.41Agoutithere are actors which do it for all units though
13:46.43Obatztrarasec...
13:50.10Obatztrarahmmm
13:50.17ObatztraraI see your point Agouti
13:50.40Obatztrarathe mass recall actor has a weird actor type...
13:50.47Agoutinow the weirder thing still
13:50.57AgoutiI created an actor which didn't work
13:51.03AgoutiI then copied the mass recall one
13:51.14Agoutiand modified it to be exactly the same as the one I created
13:51.15Agoutiand it works
13:51.21Obatztrarahmm
13:51.38Obatztraradid you change anything in the hosting area?
13:51.51Obatztrarasays implicit:implicit: deactivted for me
13:52.26Agoutisame
13:52.33Agoutiwell, disabled, which is the same thign
13:52.56ObatztraraI was translating (german editor ftl ;-))
13:53.17Agouti:)
13:54.14Agoutiwell, that makes no sense
13:54.20Agoutibut it's now working
13:54.22Agouti:s
13:55.35Agoutiahh, copied/pasted events between them and it stopped working
13:55.41Obatztraralawl :<
13:55.41Agoutimust of done something different
13:55.54Obatztrarawhat actor type did you have before?
13:56.03Obatztrarawhen you didnt use the mass recall actor
13:56.14Agoutiaha
13:56.17Agoutiok
13:56.23Agoutiso what I had different
13:56.27Agoutiwas on the working one
13:56.32AgoutiI had just Create
13:56.35Agoution the not working
13:56.41AgoutiAction Create
13:56.44Agoutier
13:56.46AgoutiActor Create
13:58.21Agoutihmm, still no dice
13:58.47Agoutiwait, no, I had Actor Creation on both
13:58.48Agoutiugh
13:59.09Obatztrara:/
14:00.56Obatztraraok, I have 1 tester, but more would be appreciated
14:01.04Obatztraraanyone else on Eu interested? :)
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14:21.10Dustin|LappyMorning everyone
14:26.14Clordevening lol >_>
14:26.23Clordthis happens when chat is so international
14:27.41Dustin|Lappyhehe
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14:56.53Clord:)
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15:06.39Clord:)
15:06.53Clordlol
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15:10.45Clordit is dead hours of this channel
15:11.26Dustin|LappyUsually alota people on at this time
15:11.46Dustin|Lappymust be cause it's the monday after new years and people are still sleeping :P
15:11.53Dustin|LappyI gotta fucking work though :(
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15:15.24Stewoxany ADMINS here ?
15:16.59ClordDustin... actually
15:17.09Clordit is because this chat switches pretty much between
15:17.21Clordamerican... dead... europe... both.. dead.. america...
15:17.23Clordlol
15:17.41Dustin|LappyYaaaaa
15:18.01Dustin|LappyStewox, I don't think any are not idleing atm
15:18.28Stewoxwell
15:18.36Stewoxthey're a lot afk
15:19.25Clordthat's because most of the time this is anarchy zone
15:19.26Clordlol
15:20.25Dustin|LappyWhatcha needin them for?
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15:37.56Clordit is hard to come up with good easy to make but creative achievements
15:37.58Clord:)
15:38.06Clordthen again
15:38.13Clord99% of achievement is how cool it sounds
15:44.34OutsiderXEamerican d(e)ad :D
15:59.44OutsiderXElook for eu-tester for blizzard-style-coop map.
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17:04.07burne-anyone wana test my card game on eu?
17:04.28burne-I would prefer multiple people
17:04.42burne-since im trying to figure out what causes error messages in multplayer :/(
17:13.47Dustin|Lappyat work and usa :(
17:23.24burne-you should seriosly start thinking of moving to europe
17:25.17burne-WAAAH
17:25.35burne-maybe i should just try to look the triggers alone :(
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17:33.36Vailim back!
17:39.42Dustin|Lappywb
17:40.03Hatiiam worried ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNHSIge21LM&feature=grec_index - first recommendation on youtube :/
17:44.28CintiqTLO restream anyone? ;x
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18:02.09Clordmy solution to error messages was simple
18:02.22Clordwhile I managed to fix almost all etc
18:02.27ClordI just turned them off in-game players
18:02.36Clordoff from
18:04.25Clordstarcraft 2 is made so that even if it displays error messages... 99% of times it causes no side effects what in-game player would notice
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18:14.20MotiveGOOD MORNING MAPSTER
18:14.21Motive;D
18:15.38Motive@Clord: How do you turn them off, anyways?
18:15.59MotiveI mean you can flush the chat area c_messageAreaError but then you still see a red flsah of text that disappears
18:16.11A1winthere's a setting in map options
18:16.17A1win"Disable error messages"
18:16.27MotiveD'oh. Ok
18:16.37A1winor something like that
18:23.52Clordyeah
18:23.59Clord"disable error messages in-game"
18:24.19Clordit gives better experience for your audience too... as long everything works right :)
18:25.21Clordor still gives as they don't notice if something not work ;)
18:25.26Clordas likely ^^
18:30.31Dustin|LappyMan I can't decide If I want to use the lobby for team setup or use my ingame dialog
18:31.01Clordlobby is easier
18:31.10Clordthen you can just put game mode select to in-game if you want
18:31.11Clord^^
18:31.33Clordit is important that you don't make people wait long however once map finally loads
18:32.54Dustin|LappyYeah, my only concern is rematches ingame if they want to swap teams
18:32.58Dustin|Lappybut I guess I can use both
18:33.30ClordI suggest to wait that patch to go live where matches are counted by minutes
18:33.34Clordbefore implementing rematch option
18:33.35ClordXD
18:33.39Clordor at least enabling
18:33.57Dustin|LappyWell my map isnt gonna be done before then, Im waiting on 1.2 for the mouse stuff and Z offfsets aswell
18:34.15Dustin|LappyIll just do lobby for now and add functionality later
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18:39.55burne-anyone wana test my card game on eu?
18:42.42burne-cmon guys
18:42.43burne-dont be so afk
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19:36.58burne-[20:04] <Clord> starcraft 2 is made so that even if it displays error messages... 99% of times it causes no side effects what in-game player would notice
19:37.02burne-thats what I was wondering
19:37.14burne-I so much hate the messages, but usually they dont cause anything -_-
19:37.29burne-WOOOT
19:37.33burne-there is option for that
19:37.36burne-thx guys
19:37.43Clordbecause it displays error messages even if they don't cause problems ^^
19:37.45burne-to disable error messages
19:37.50burne-yea...thats so weird
19:38.14burne-I would prefer to make them go away without disabling the display, but seems too hard
19:38.23burne-as the messages ocur so randomly
19:38.47Clordthose messages are safe to ignore... SCII keeps out memory leaks automatically :)
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19:40.22burne-maybe
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19:40.38burne-but I still find it super anoying that I dont know what causes them
19:41.22burne-wouldnt be amazed tough if it had something to do with double clicking dialogs and then it somehow causes error message
19:41.29burne-thats my theory
19:41.55ClordI got this achievement to click scout what has least 15 max HP upgraded ^^
19:42.07Clordwell
19:42.10Clordit caused error messages
19:42.13Clordno matter what :)
19:42.24Clordand it works when it feels to work what is even weirder
19:49.55burne-thats happened to me so many times
19:49.56burne-:)
19:56.06rain````Whats the deal with ##unitName## aned ##id## in the data editor?
19:56.14Clordachievement.. 50% chance to trigger! have fun
19:56.15Clord^^
19:56.16Clordlol
19:56.18Clordor style
19:56.20Clord1% chance
19:56.24Clordthanks to blizzard ^^
20:04.43burne-hmm
20:04.49burne-I cant remove unit from unit group
20:04.54burne-i wonder whats up with that
20:04.55burne-:/
20:05.59Clordit should work
20:06.16burne-I know...mysterious
20:06.28burne-I can add behaviour to that unit tough
20:06.45Clordthen again.. blizzard probably had not much use for removing units from group
20:06.46burne-I guess ill have to do some digging
20:07.09burne-probly made something stupid to prevent removing the unit or something
20:07.12Dustin|LappyIve removed units fine
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20:17.21burne-yup
20:17.24burne-it was my own fault
20:17.27burne-it works now ^^
20:18.34ClordSCII improvement over WCIII in one major way really is.... unit becomes idle detection
20:18.53ClordXD
20:19.10Clordit is way easier to ensure that units do what they are supposed to do
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20:22.45Clordexpect in case with damn vortex... if unit is executing attack without moving.... and is sucked to vortex
20:23.02Clordtrigger does not detect unit becomes idle lol
20:25.04Obatztraralooking for testers in the Eu: we're testing an orpg, currently 2 players, more would be great!
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20:25.17OutsiderXELooking for Eu 1on1 partner for melee map
20:26.51burne-hey oba
20:26.55burne-i could come in 5mins
20:27.02Obatztraraawsome
20:27.07Obatztrarasee you ingame
20:27.13OutsiderXE? :P
20:27.17OutsiderXE:( ^^
20:27.30Obatztrarahast auch lust zu kommen Outsider?
20:27.42OutsiderXEmapart/dauer?
20:28.18OutsiderXEach ich komm einfach
20:28.23Obatztraraorpg, kann schon länger dauern
20:28.30Obatztraraaber bleib halt so lang du magst
20:30.45burne-ok im rdy
20:30.48burne-comin in 2 mins
20:30.52Hatiwah deutsche
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20:39.50Creationgood afternoon
20:39.51Creation:D
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20:45.24Dustin|LappySup guys
20:46.27Creationhi
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21:11.42Creation~seen darkrevenant
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21:39.42HatiStewox: aint that protoss ?
21:39.53Stewoxhehe
21:40.21Stewoxyeah
21:40.21Stewox:D
21:40.27Stewoxthe famous quote
21:42.10Hatiepic pic
21:43.28Hatiguessing someone is this room have this : http://zapp4.staticworld.net/news/graphics/195807-zergbag_slide.jpg
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21:51.13Kuekenhi
21:51.31Hatihi
21:53.48burne-hey guys
21:54.04burne-what do you think, should I add win/lose stats to my map or just score?
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21:54.31burne-since if I add win/lose, people might not want to play against people with bad stats
21:54.54burne-I could just make similar ranking as melee has (bronze -> diamond)
21:55.41Skizothey hey
21:55.56burne-I guess score keeping might be a bit better after all
21:56.50Skizotso who wants to write up the heroes for my map?
21:56.54Skizothuh huh?
21:59.05Skizot:(
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22:01.54SkizotDustin
22:02.00Skizotwrite me mah heroes!
22:02.10Dustin|LappyWhat you say!
22:02.41Skizotwrite. me. my. heroes.
22:02.52Skizotwe will make the most supar awesome herod EVAR
22:03.19Dustin|LappyHero 1. Penis Monster, his arms are made of penises
22:03.23Dustin|LappyThat's all I got
22:03.48Skizot:(
22:03.54Dustin|LappyWhat map you working on?
22:04.09Skizota basic hero d
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22:05.56Skizotwell the basic part is done.
22:06.02Skizotgot terrain and waves
22:06.04Dustin|LappyI started working on an Enfos type map way back in beta
22:06.10Dustin|Lappythat's what I had done to :P
22:06.10Skizotyou lose after so many lives.
22:06.14Dustin|LappyAnd hero selection
22:06.23Skizotyeah i have a ui based one done.
22:06.36Skizotmine is probably loosly based on enfos >_>
22:06.42Skizotit's been a while.
22:06.46Dustin|LappySo was mine
22:06.48Skizotthough i have 6 classes
22:06.50Dustin|LappyDamnit Skizot, get outa my head
22:06.59Skizot2 melee 2 ranged and 2 builders
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22:07.19mattavichhellloooooo
22:07.24Dustin|LappySounds badass
22:07.33Skizoti can show you it if you want
22:07.49Dustin|LappyAt work, but fuck it
22:07.56Skizotlol i can wait >_>
22:08.02Dustin|LappyActually Im gonna go have a smoke first, I'll be back in a minute :P
22:14.44burne-so what do you guys think
22:14.52burne-should I add wins and loses to my card game
22:14.54burne-or just score/rank
22:15.45Skizotscore and w/l
22:16.08Dustin|Lappyback
22:16.22Skizotgimme your dropbox email.
22:16.25burne-Im a bit afraid then people will want to stats hunt
22:16.30burne-if i add w/l
22:16.38burne-but maybe they wont
22:16.52Dustin|LappyPeople are gonna stats whore anything you track :P
22:17.09Skizotit could be a chatroom map
22:17.14burne-probly true...I think im gona add somekind of code that they cant easilly modify bank
22:17.15Skizotand people will stats whore.
22:17.23Skizot"I've typed more lines than you nub"
22:17.56Dustin|LappyBurne, I'd wait for bank signatures in 1.2 or use that Starcode encryption library
22:18.23burne-shouldnt be too hard to make my own code that people cant so easilly understand
22:19.02Dustin|Lappyskizot, what's your bnet name / code
22:19.10Skizoti had e=mc2 in one of my maps.
22:19.23Skizoti can't play online... WAY shit internet
22:19.30Skizoti'm lucky to get text
22:19.31Dustin|Lappylaaaaaaame
22:20.15SkizotI'm "borrowing" a neighbors wireless.
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22:20.33Dustin|Lappyhehe
22:23.02Dustin|LappyI just need to get my Ruthless Map done
22:23.43SkizotPM me your dropbox email.
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23:00.19Skizotprogammer!
23:00.22Skizotyou are a data editor pro right?
23:03.42Skizotgrrrr
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23:08.24progammerSkizot: nah
23:08.41JManVwow 1:07 4v4
23:08.46JManVthat was insance
23:08.48Skizotshit
23:08.48JManVinsane
23:09.11SkizotI need someone who understands heros alot better than i do.
23:09.20JManVi didn't have any more for like the last 20 minutes
23:09.28Skizottutorials or not they are a pain in my nuts.
23:09.37JManVwhat's up skiz?
23:11.39Skizotmaking a simple yet fun hero d
23:11.39Skizotbut i suck at heroes.
23:11.39Skizoti have EVERYTHING else done.
23:11.57JManVwhat trouble are you having with the tuts?
23:12.22Skizottoo much crap for me to deal with
23:12.23Skizot:P
23:12.30Skizoti'd rather just model stuff
23:12.34rain````Data editor gettin to ya?
23:12.42Skizoti dispise it.
23:12.51Skizotterran conflict is 100% triggers
23:12.51rain````It's complexity intrigues me
23:12.56JManVwell, i can't help you with that :P
23:13.08rain````Just dive in man
23:16.45JManVwell, hero veterancy isn't that hard, why don't you start there?
23:16.58JManVskip all the item stuff in that tutorial
23:17.07JManVi recommend staying away from items if you can anyways
23:18.14rain````I'm just messing around with Events
23:18.20rain````trying weird stuff seeing what happens, good way to learn
23:18.26rain````99% of the time, nothing happens though.
23:27.28mattavichjust finished 1.0 of my map
23:27.37mattavichwould anyone like to have a little game?
23:27.52mattavichit is a marine arena type map with a bit fo nexus wars in there
23:28.15mattavichit's called Bungle Squats!
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23:38.44Vailis the Creep the only terrain element that can be animated
23:39.08mattavichno idea
23:40.16Vailbrb
23:57.52mattavichaugh
23:58.03mattavichgetting a temporary outage error when trying to log in to SC2
23:58.10Skizotwhere is the simplest hero tutorial?

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