| 00:00.17 | JManV | bounty: i'm going to give you a homework assignment |
| 00:00.24 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:00.27 | JManV | you need to learn about damage effects |
| 00:00.43 | doite | FieldCorruption Search effect Search - Areas +(360):(-1):(2):(0):(Corruptor - Corruption (Apply Behavior)) |
| 00:00.44 | JManV | you'll be like "oh yeah" |
| 00:00.47 | doite | I guess thats correct |
| 00:00.48 | JManV | "that makes sense" |
| 00:00.54 | JManV | but it takes a minute to get there |
| 00:01.04 | JManV | so your assignment is to make one |
| 00:01.11 | JManV | just one |
| 00:01.20 | JManV | not replace everything on your map with it |
| 00:02.04 | JManV | data sucks - i know |
| 00:02.13 | JManV | but there are some cool things you can do with it |
| 00:02.27 | JManV | and a lot of it is hard coded into the game and generally runs faster |
| 00:02.37 | Bounty | i know |
| 00:02.43 | Bounty | i did the giant sword thing with data |
| 00:02.45 | JManV | with a lot of things, speed doesn't matter; but you're dealing with the exception |
| 00:03.19 | JManV | speed only really matters when something happens a *lot* of times in quick succession |
| 00:03.25 | JManV | case in pount |
| 00:03.32 | JManV | but |
| 00:03.42 | JManV | i'd like to see how those adjusted events work |
| 00:03.52 | JManV | at the very least in the interest of science |
| 00:05.02 | JManV | hmmm |
| 00:05.13 | JManV | how do you use those abilities in game? |
| 00:05.18 | JManV | mouse click? |
| 00:05.23 | Bounty | yeah |
| 00:05.24 | Bounty | its not that |
| 00:05.28 | Bounty | we tested it |
| 00:05.35 | JManV | yeah i know |
| 00:05.45 | JManV | i'm trying to think of small changes you can make |
| 00:06.02 | JManV | but i need to understand the structure of everything |
| 00:06.07 | JManV | how it fits together |
| 00:06.38 | JManV | hmmm... |
| 00:06.44 | JManV | what if they were abilities |
| 00:06.54 | JManV | and the mouse click forced the player to use them |
| 00:06.58 | JManV | abilities fire effects |
| 00:07.03 | Bounty | hey uh |
| 00:07.04 | JManV | the effect doesn't have to do anything |
| 00:07.06 | Bounty | wit hthat behavior check |
| 00:07.09 | Bounty | it says behavior 1 |
| 00:07.10 | Bounty | wtf? |
| 00:07.12 | JManV | but you can trigger on it |
| 00:07.13 | Bounty | i cant select the behavior |
| 00:07.14 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:07.34 | JManV | why are you checking for behavior? |
| 00:07.40 | Bounty | bc u told me to? |
| 00:07.41 | JManV | i thought you decided to switch the events instead |
| 00:07.42 | Bounty | under the damage trigger |
| 00:07.45 | Bounty | well |
| 00:07.46 | Bounty | i just realized |
| 00:07.53 | Bounty | all the NPC's have the dont die behavior |
| 00:07.54 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:08.02 | JManV | so> |
| 00:08.10 | Bounty | forget it then |
| 00:08.13 | JManV | oh |
| 00:08.15 | JManV | ic |
| 00:08.18 | JManV | but |
| 00:08.22 | JManV | did you switch the events? |
| 00:08.26 | JManV | you don't want to do both |
| 00:08.31 | JManV | one of the other |
| 00:08.46 | Bounty | the event didnt work |
| 00:08.50 | Bounty | it still fires for some reason |
| 00:08.50 | JManV | ok |
| 00:08.57 | Bounty | even when u hit an npc |
| 00:08.59 | JManV | really? weird |
| 00:09.02 | Bounty | yeah |
| 00:09.06 | Bounty | really fucking lame imo |
| 00:09.08 | Bounty | and makes no sense |
| 00:09.10 | JManV | maybe it doesn't work right with variables |
| 00:09.23 | JManV | then yeah, check for the behavior |
| 00:09.49 | JManV | is anything in data right now? |
| 00:10.04 | JManV | you're swinging weapons with triggers? |
| 00:10.11 | JManV | dealing damage? |
| 00:10.14 | JManV | everything? |
| 00:11.08 | JManV | if so, that actually makes perfect sense |
| 00:12.40 | JManV | hmmm |
| 00:13.20 | JManV | so mouse click |
| 00:13.24 | JManV | calls functions |
| 00:13.29 | JManV | what do those look like? |
| 00:13.31 | JManV | can i see one? |
| 00:13.43 | JManV | Mount Frontal Stab(TRIGGERING PLAYER) |
| 00:16.08 | JManV | is there a reason why you're triggering on mouse click and then again triggering on deal damage? |
| 00:22.01 | Bounty | sry was smoking |
| 00:22.19 | Bounty | yeah so it doesnt do anything if u dont hit lol |
| 00:22.46 | JManV | oh |
| 00:22.49 | JManV | ok |
| 00:22.55 | JManV | when doesn't it hit? |
| 00:23.02 | Bounty | if u miss? |
| 00:23.03 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:23.11 | Bounty | its a frontal aoe when u swing |
| 00:23.17 | JManV | ok |
| 00:23.20 | JManV | what does that? |
| 00:23.31 | Bounty | everything? |
| 00:23.34 | Bounty | thats how the combat works |
| 00:23.39 | JManV | triggers? data? |
| 00:23.42 | JManV | the AOE |
| 00:23.43 | Bounty | its a small area where th weapon swings |
| 00:23.46 | Bounty | triggers |
| 00:23.53 | JManV | ok, so you search |
| 00:24.03 | JManV | so you know who it hits, right? |
| 00:24.12 | Bounty | who |
| 00:24.13 | Bounty | yeah* |
| 00:24.20 | JManV | why trigger on the damage? |
| 00:24.24 | JManV | why not do it there? |
| 00:24.32 | Bounty | oh |
| 00:24.32 | Bounty | wait |
| 00:24.34 | Bounty | i meant to say no |
| 00:24.36 | Bounty | it does the damage |
| 00:24.38 | Bounty | THEN |
| 00:24.40 | doite | U know the command panel on left down side then minimap panel on down left side.. whats the thing in middle down called? |
| 00:24.41 | Bounty | if it hits |
| 00:24.45 | Bounty | it fires the damage trigger |
| 00:24.59 | doite | The one with pictures that show buffs and debuffs and infomation about the unit |
| 00:25.08 | JManV | can i see the AOE trigger? |
| 00:25.15 | Bounty | they are all aoe lol |
| 00:25.25 | JManV | ok, so there are multiple |
| 00:25.32 | doite | Guys do u know? |
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| 00:25.44 | Bounty | http://pastebin.com/xXcbcEGv |
| 00:25.46 | Bounty | there |
| 00:25.50 | Bounty | thats one of the attacks |
| 00:27.06 | JManV | Raynor - Jester Overkill Slash |
| 00:27.09 | JManV | what is that |
| 00:27.20 | Bounty | thats the damage effect |
| 00:27.21 | Bounty | duh |
| 00:27.22 | Bounty | :) |
| 00:27.30 | JManV | it's an effect? |
| 00:27.34 | Bounty | yeah |
| 00:27.39 | JManV | like a data effect? |
| 00:27.45 | Bounty | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:27.51 | Bounty | yes |
| 00:27.54 | *** join/#sc2mapster Helral (~BenZegvel@217-19-26-88.dsl.cambrium.nl) |
| 00:27.56 | Bounty | its raynors grenade damage |
| 00:27.58 | JManV | tigger on it! |
| 00:27.59 | Bounty | modified |
| 00:28.08 | Helral | meow |
| 00:28.17 | Helral | evicted a mouse. |
| 00:28.21 | JManV | then you don't need to find the unit type and effect type |
| 00:28.27 | JManV | because you know that |
| 00:28.39 | Bounty | no i dont |
| 00:28.50 | Bounty | how do i know that when multiple players are using all of these at the same time? |
| 00:28.57 | Bounty | i dont know who takes what type of damage until they get hit |
| 00:28.57 | JManV | one sec |
| 00:29.11 | JManV | the effect is a search - area? |
| 00:29.22 | Bounty | no |
| 00:29.24 | Bounty | its just damage |
| 00:29.27 | JManV | ok |
| 00:30.09 | JManV | trigger |
| 00:30.13 | JManV | event = effect used |
| 00:30.20 | JManV | hmmm |
| 00:30.40 | JManV | how do you know the target then |
| 00:30.53 | JManV | there's no help for that trigger |
| 00:30.53 | Bounty | thats the entire point of the damage taken trigger |
| 00:30.57 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:31.13 | JManV | what is? |
| 00:31.19 | Bounty | to see if it hits |
| 00:31.21 | Bounty | who it hits |
| 00:31.24 | Bounty | and what they were hit with |
| 00:31.24 | JManV | oh |
| 00:31.33 | JManV | well bounty |
| 00:31.38 | JManV | AOE effects are really easy |
| 00:31.45 | JManV | in data |
| 00:31.59 | Bounty | not to be a dick |
| 00:32.02 | JManV | one effect search and finds targets |
| 00:32.06 | Bounty | but none of this has anything to do with the issue lol |
| 00:32.15 | JManV | it's all the issue |
| 00:32.16 | Helral | bounty what are you trying to do? |
| 00:32.29 | Bounty | its not the issue at all jman |
| 00:32.29 | JManV | bounty, we've looked at the code itself |
| 00:32.33 | JManV | and it's optimized |
| 00:32.34 | Bounty | if the abilities were the issue |
| 00:32.40 | Bounty | then it would do it |
| 00:32.43 | Bounty | if everyone was clicking at once |
| 00:32.44 | Bounty | and missing |
| 00:32.46 | JManV | i'm trying to make sure that the logic can't be changed |
| 00:32.46 | Bounty | but it doesnt |
| 00:32.51 | JManV | to optimize the logic itself |
| 00:33.08 | JManV | i'm looking from a higher level |
| 00:33.23 | JManV | to see if there's a better way that will be more efficient |
| 00:33.44 | JManV | because i don't think you're gonna get that code that much more organized |
| 00:33.57 | JManV | anywyas, i know you're tired of hearing the word data |
| 00:34.04 | JManV | i'm trying to avoid if |
| 00:34.22 | JManV | but there may be a better trigger |
| 00:34.25 | JManV | than damage |
| 00:34.33 | JManV | something more specific |
| 00:34.35 | JManV | to each effect |
| 00:34.46 | JManV | then you don't have to do all those switches |
| 00:35.00 | JManV | make sense? |
| 00:35.08 | Helral | meows |
| 00:35.26 | JManV | really, i *want* to help. i don't want to throw all your code into disarray |
| 00:35.36 | Bounty | i know |
| 00:35.45 | JManV | but sometimes you need to back up and look at the bigger picture |
| 00:36.01 | JManV | if you're too focused on the immediate, you might miss something huge |
| 00:36.16 | doite | JManV , Corruption is now so they take 20% more damage |
| 00:36.19 | Helral | wonders what bounty was trying to do. |
| 00:36.21 | doite | How to alter that amount? |
| 00:36.30 | JManV | helral: weren't you involved in all this? |
| 00:36.39 | JManV | bounty's trigger overload |
| 00:36.41 | Helral | I just logged on |
| 00:36.45 | JManV | he's still having the same problem |
| 00:36.47 | Helral | ow that one still |
| 00:36.48 | JManV | from yesterday |
| 00:36.50 | JManV | yeah |
| 00:36.59 | Helral | hmmmmm |
| 00:37.00 | JManV | we optimized it some, and it didn't help |
| 00:37.30 | doite | JamnV=( |
| 00:37.43 | Bounty | im gonna make a unit group |
| 00:37.45 | Bounty | for the NPC's |
| 00:37.48 | Bounty | and just use that as the condition |
| 00:37.59 | JManV | what was wrong with the behavior? |
| 00:38.12 | doite | How to alter the amount of damage taken? in the buff -> corruption |
| 00:38.12 | JManV | i've found it to be fairly quick to check for a behavior |
| 00:38.25 | Bounty | well i just forgot that not all the npc's have the dont die behavior |
| 00:38.29 | Bounty | unit group would work to |
| 00:38.32 | JManV | is it a behavior or effect doite/ |
| 00:38.39 | JManV | ok |
| 00:39.02 | JManV | so bounty: i still haven't seen anywhere where damage is actually dealt |
| 00:39.10 | JManV | what does that exactly? |
| 00:39.12 | Bounty | ???? |
| 00:39.14 | Bounty | u serious? |
| 00:39.18 | Bounty | i just showed u lol |
| 00:39.25 | Bounty | http://pastebin.com/xXcbcEGv |
| 00:39.48 | JManV | ok, no damage is dealt there |
| 00:39.56 | JManV | exactly |
| 00:40.01 | JManV | what deals damage |
| 00:40.08 | Bounty | wtf? |
| 00:40.12 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:40.16 | Bounty | it says it right there |
| 00:40.18 | Bounty | Environment |
| 00:40.26 | JManV | ok |
| 00:40.27 | Bounty | Execute Overkill |
| 00:40.28 | *** join/#sc2mapster Tordy (6274591f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.116.89.31) |
| 00:40.31 | Bounty | that does the damage |
| 00:40.33 | Tordy | I got offered a 120k job |
| 00:40.36 | Tordy | i declined |
| 00:40.41 | JManV | and that's an effect? |
| 00:40.48 | Bounty | its a damage effect |
| 00:40.51 | Bounty | it does damage |
| 00:41.12 | JManV | to whom? |
| 00:41.21 | JManV | to a point? |
| 00:41.27 | Bounty | yes |
| 00:41.36 | Bounty | this isnt RTS combat |
| 00:41.40 | Bounty | where u click and u always hit |
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| 00:41.52 | JManV | which sucks a little btw |
| 00:41.59 | JManV | there's no system for missing |
| 00:41.59 | Bounty | what? |
| 00:42.01 | JManV | but i digress |
| 00:42.03 | Bounty | ... |
| 00:42.12 | JManV | not important :P |
| 00:42.14 | Bounty | how does it suck? |
| 00:42.20 | Bounty | sry i dont have ROFLAUTODODGE |
| 00:42.21 | Bounty | =P |
| 00:42.34 | JManV | for my game, i want them to miss occassionally |
| 00:42.35 | Bounty | move out of the way, u dont get hit lol |
| 00:42.39 | JManV | but that's a total sidetrack |
| 00:42.42 | Bounty | yeah but that removes and degree of skill |
| 00:42.48 | Bounty | any* |
| 00:42.56 | doite | Tordy i diclined a jobb at goldman s. whats your point? =) |
| 00:42.58 | JManV | well, it's pokemon, missing is part of the game |
| 00:43.12 | Bounty | i know, im talking about my game :) |
| 00:43.13 | JManV | but you can't deal damage to a point |
| 00:43.22 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:43.26 | Bounty | ur joking right? |
| 00:43.33 | JManV | no |
| 00:43.35 | Tordy | im joking |
| 00:43.36 | Bounty | then how am i doing it then? |
| 00:43.37 | JManV | you can? |
| 00:43.37 | Bounty | magic? |
| 00:43.51 | JManV | so it's not an AOE? |
| 00:43.57 | JManV | its just a point |
| 00:44.01 | Bounty | sigh |
| 00:44.04 | JManV | i'm sorry |
| 00:44.05 | Bounty | u should really know this |
| 00:44.07 | Bounty | =P |
| 00:44.13 | Bounty | go look up Raynor Grenade damage |
| 00:44.20 | Bounty | it deals damage in a radius |
| 00:44.25 | Bounty | i just edit the radius to suit the weapon |
| 00:44.41 | JManV | oh |
| 00:44.53 | JManV | i didn't know you could do that |
| 00:45.04 | Bounty | =P |
| 00:45.05 | JManV | ... interesting |
| 00:45.14 | JManV | that clears that up |
| 00:45.22 | Bounty | and i taught you something |
| 00:45.23 | JManV | let me research something for a secong |
| 00:45.23 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:45.32 | JManV | helral might be able to help |
| 00:45.46 | JManV | effect used trigger? |
| 00:46.11 | Bounty | ? |
| 00:46.12 | Bounty | what about it |
| 00:46.15 | JManV | why is there no help text? |
| 00:46.25 | Bounty | bc i dont need it? |
| 00:46.28 | JManV | sorry, was vaguely asking helral if he's used it |
| 00:46.32 | JManV | he's apparently not around |
| 00:46.58 | JManV | bounty: just like a periodic trigger, just about any trigger is better than damage dealt |
| 00:47.12 | JManV | if we can trigger on the effect and find its targets |
| 00:47.23 | JManV | then we don't need to trigger on the damage |
| 00:47.38 | JManV | you want to trigger on each individual target, right? |
| 00:47.55 | JManV | if there is more that one |
| 00:48.14 | Bounty | not sure what u mean |
| 00:48.18 | Bounty | ur really over complicating this |
| 00:48.20 | Bounty | =P |
| 00:48.25 | Bounty | u swing |
| 00:48.30 | Bounty | it does the damaging effect |
| 00:48.34 | Bounty | it someone gets hit by it |
| 00:48.36 | JManV | but you could hit more than one target |
| 00:48.40 | Bounty | it runs the damage trigger for that person who was hit |
| 00:48.42 | Bounty | no |
| 00:48.43 | JManV | potentially |
| 00:48.48 | JManV | area of effect |
| 00:48.49 | Bounty | thats why i edited the radius |
| 00:48.53 | Bounty | =P |
| 00:48.55 | JManV | it's very small? |
| 00:49.00 | Bounty | pretty small lol |
| 00:49.03 | Helral | hmmmm |
| 00:49.05 | JManV | ok |
| 00:49.14 | Bounty | small enough to hit when it should |
| 00:49.23 | Bounty | and not hit behind u |
| 00:49.26 | Bounty | or on the side of u |
| 00:49.32 | Bounty | its funny because |
| 00:49.37 | Bounty | the Cavalier (mounted deathknight) |
| 00:49.39 | JManV | well, if two opponents are near each other |
| 00:49.40 | Bounty | swings on his side |
| 00:49.45 | Bounty | only dealing damage on his side |
| 00:49.48 | Bounty | so its very specific |
| 00:50.29 | Bounty | The only abilities ive seen hit multiple people |
| 00:50.32 | Bounty | are the ones that are supposed to |
| 00:50.37 | Bounty | aka BIG SWOOOORD |
| 00:50.46 | JManV | well i'm not sure we can get the target from the effect used trigger |
| 00:51.10 | JManV | so anything after that point would involve some weird data stuff |
| 00:51.20 | JManV | like you could apply a behavior |
| 00:51.25 | JManV | and trigger on that |
| 00:51.32 | Tordy | is blizzard really still featuring the fake zealot frenzy? |
| 00:51.33 | Tordy | XFD |
| 00:51.35 | JManV | which i s a little weird |
| 00:51.36 | Tordy | the map doesnt even work! |
| 00:51.47 | JManV | doesn't? |
| 00:52.09 | Bounty | did you just correct grammar? |
| 00:52.12 | JManV | apparently, yes they are |
| 00:52.16 | Bounty | i should bitch slap you if you did |
| 00:52.17 | JManV | no |
| 00:52.18 | Bounty | =P |
| 00:52.19 | Bounty | lol |
| 00:52.21 | Tordy | how pissed would you be if blizz featured your map BUT it was just a copy-cat |
| 00:52.23 | JManV | i was asking |
| 00:52.33 | JManV | i don't correct grammar... mine is horrible |
| 00:52.36 | JManV | and i typo all the time |
| 00:52.47 | JManV | i would be pissed |
| 00:52.49 | Tordy | people that correct grammar on the internet are the worst people |
| 00:52.50 | JManV | i would write them |
| 00:52.52 | Bounty | i dont think people should grammar correct on the internets |
| 00:53.00 | JManV | i would make a topic |
| 00:53.13 | Tordy | i mean not only a copy-cat |
| 00:53.18 | Tordy | but a non-functional copy-cat |
| 00:53.21 | JManV | heh |
| 00:53.22 | Tordy | like an alpha version |
| 00:53.29 | Bounty | u know what pisses me off |
| 00:53.30 | Tordy | i'd be super pissed |
| 00:53.31 | Bounty | i get testers right |
| 00:53.35 | Bounty | and the test fails |
| 00:53.36 | Bounty | so i say to them |
| 00:53.38 | JManV | it's on page 2 too |
| 00:53.40 | Bounty | ok ill brb in 10 seconds |
| 00:53.44 | Bounty | with a new fix attempt |
| 00:53.45 | Bounty | i come back |
| 00:53.49 | Bounty | and they are all fucking in games |
| 00:54.05 | Bounty | yet i bet u anything |
| 00:54.07 | Bounty | if this map makes it big |
| 00:54.09 | Tordy | yea not only did they pick a map that is already popular, they picked the fake one XFD |
| 00:54.13 | Bounty | they will beg to be on the beta testers list |
| 00:54.18 | Bounty | on the loading screen |
| 00:54.22 | JManV | yeah i play it all the time |
| 00:54.24 | Tordy | shows how much blizz actually cares about custom maps |
| 00:54.30 | JManV | it's pretty imba tho |
| 00:54.39 | Tordy | they dont even bother playing them |
| 00:56.38 | JManV | so where are you at now bounty? |
| 00:56.46 | Bounty | in game trying to test |
| 00:56.50 | Bounty | if u wanna come help |
| 00:57.06 | JManV | id? |
| 00:57.11 | Helral | which server? |
| 00:57.16 | Bounty | bounty.820 |
| 00:57.17 | Bounty | US |
| 00:57.24 | JManV | JManV.733 |
| 00:57.34 | Helral | then I go sleep ;p since I'm EU still. |
| 01:02.07 | Bounty | i hate when i forget to reset the map |
| 01:02.09 | Bounty | for online play |
| 01:02.10 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:02.24 | JManV | hehe |
| 01:02.33 | Bounty | forgot to remove my dummy unit to |
| 01:02.38 | Bounty | i beat him up for testing purposes |
| 01:02.39 | Bounty | :) |
| 01:02.49 | Bounty | ok logging back in now |
| 01:05.01 | *** join/#sc2mapster DarkRevenant (~DarkReven@ip72-197-184-165.sd.sd.cox.net) |
| 01:05.19 | DarkRevenant | we need |
| 01:05.24 | DarkRevenant | a new forum |
| 01:05.29 | DarkRevenant | map review should be split, big time |
| 01:07.11 | DarkRevenant | Map Gathering forum should be made |
| 01:07.13 | DarkRevenant | all who agree? |
| 01:08.13 | DarkRevenant | or Map Feedback |
| 01:09.59 | *** join/#sc2mapster Vesuvius (~Vesuvius@adsl-75-17-56-36.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 01:11.21 | Bounty | Rev |
| 01:11.27 | Bounty | u want in on a huge test? :) |
| 01:11.30 | Bounty | may have fixed my issue |
| 01:13.04 | DarkRevenant | hmm |
| 01:13.08 | DarkRevenant | i'm |
| 01:13.11 | DarkRevenant | moving mass amounts of threads |
| 01:13.17 | DarkRevenant | because i made a map feedback forum |
| 01:13.30 | Bounty | Rev |
| 01:13.35 | Bounty | yes no? :) |
| 01:13.56 | Xapti | WTF I set my unit's sight radius to 25 |
| 01:14.06 | Xapti | but it can't see past it's range indicator.... |
| 01:14.12 | Xapti | which is like range 15 or something |
| 01:14.22 | Bounty | Xapti |
| 01:14.25 | Bounty | accept your invite |
| 01:14.27 | Bounty | in game |
| 01:14.27 | Bounty | :) |
| 01:14.46 | Xapti | I'm not on battle.net bounty is the range actor a freaking |
| 01:15.00 | Bounty | well we have some dude named Xapti pending |
| 01:15.01 | Xapti | line of sight blocker? |
| 01:15.01 | Bounty | lol |
| 01:15.12 | Xapti | I just came online |
| 01:15.16 | Xapti | and didn't log in |
| 01:15.38 | Xapti | so online isn't the right word |
| 01:15.44 | Xapti | just tested my map |
| 01:16.32 | Motive | Does anyone know of something like the StarCode library, but with a hash function? |
| 01:18.02 | JManV | 1 to test? NA servers? |
| 01:18.23 | Motive | Bah nevermind, 1.4 added hashing :D |
| 01:20.06 | JManV | starcode has hashing |
| 01:20.31 | JManV | oh, that's what you mean 1.4 |
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| 01:23.46 | kezaron | lala |
| 01:26.02 | HP-X|Arthas | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K01NzWMuDdI |
| 01:26.03 | HP-X|Arthas | :D |
| 01:26.10 | HP-X|Arthas | Im dying here! |
| 01:26.17 | HP-X|Arthas | also merry christmas ppl |
| 01:27.21 | Agouti | if by left you mean right |
| 01:27.25 | Agouti | wait |
| 01:27.31 | Agouti | was reading waaay up there |
| 01:27.39 | Agouti | DISREGARD THAT - I SUCK CAWKS. |
| 01:27.45 | DarkRevenant | ... |
| 01:27.55 | HP-X|Arthas | yes you do |
| 01:27.56 | HP-X|Arthas | :| |
| 01:27.58 | Agouti | gogo responding to something from 2 hours ago |
| 01:28.03 | Agouti | :-/ |
| 01:28.32 | Agouti | also that vid is hilarious. |
| 01:28.43 | HP-X|Arthas | :D |
| 01:29.05 | HP-X|Arthas | i feel bad for the tech guy |
| 01:29.17 | HP-X|Arthas | also, I dont understand how he can keep from laughing |
| 01:29.21 | Agouti | tech support can be a soul destroying job |
| 01:29.30 | HP-X|Arthas | can be? |
| 01:29.32 | HP-X|Arthas | make that is :p |
| 01:29.39 | *** join/#sc2mapster nicoli_co (~nsinkule@69.73.16.202) |
| 01:29.45 | HP-X|Arthas | hey nic |
| 01:30.25 | nicoli_co | hello |
| 01:30.42 | HP-X|Arthas | how are things? preparing for the xmas? |
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| 01:31.13 | HP-X|Arthas | poor guy at store :D |
| 01:31.20 | *** mode/#sc2mapster [+o nicoli_s] by ChanServ |
| 01:31.38 | HP-X|Arthas | Agouti: although |
| 01:31.44 | HP-X|Arthas | crying ones are more of a problem for me :p |
| 01:31.47 | Agouti | man I heard that one ages ago... but it's still @___@ |
| 01:31.47 | nicoli_s | just working on my game, being lazy and sick |
| 01:32.14 | HP-X|Arthas | nicoli_s: your game? =O |
| 01:32.14 | HP-X|Arthas | what did I miss :D |
| 01:32.31 | Agouti | "Well.. uh... I guess I lost my temper..." |
| 01:32.43 | Agouti | "I've been up for 3 days trying to fix this...." |
| 01:33.18 | Agouti | lol @__@ |
| 01:34.42 | Agouti | I mean ok, I can understand tha you aren't particularly rational when you've been up for like days |
| 01:34.44 | Agouti | but still |
| 01:35.29 | HP-X|Arthas | :D |
| 01:35.45 | HP-X|Arthas | customers - Normally not that helpful |
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| 01:36.06 | Agouti | I used to run a small computer shop/web/it place |
| 01:36.15 | Agouti | and man tech support could be a total pain in the ass |
| 01:36.25 | Agouti | especially when you are on the phone with them for like an hour |
| 01:36.30 | Agouti | and you have soooo much work to do |
| 01:36.47 | HP-X|Arthas | 60m calls is horror |
| 01:37.15 | HP-X|Arthas | my personaly record is 1h40m or so |
| 01:37.34 | nicoli_s | HP-X|Arthas:im working on a tile based strategy game for the xbox |
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| 01:37.57 | HP-X|Arthas | nicoli_s: sounds neat. any screenies or a public webpage for it? |
| 01:38.10 | HP-X|Arthas | finding the incmoing landline on a farm :D |
| 01:38.10 | Agouti | Arthas: eeewww |
| 01:38.21 | Agouti | o lordy |
| 01:38.26 | HP-X|Arthas | ended up going from house -> crappy outhouse -> barn |
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| 01:38.34 | Agouti | haha |
| 01:38.41 | HP-X|Arthas | guided guy to cut line, connect modem |
| 01:38.42 | Xapti | Anyone know much about setting unit sight range to higher valuse? |
| 01:38.47 | Xapti | it seems stck at like 15 |
| 01:38.49 | HP-X|Arthas | at least it solved his problem :D |
| 01:38.50 | Agouti | usually they just follow the power lines... |
| 01:38.58 | Agouti | o well |
| 01:38.59 | Xapti | I know I coudl reveal area with triggers, but I'd kinda prefer now |
| 01:39.06 | HP-X|Arthas | usually yeah :p |
| 01:39.09 | Agouti | Xapti: I've never had problems with it |
| 01:39.15 | HP-X|Arthas | lots of lines that was dug down though |
| 01:39.16 | HP-X|Arthas | afterwards |
| 01:39.21 | Xapti | *prefer not |
| 01:39.22 | Agouti | mmm |
| 01:39.29 | Agouti | Arthas you US? |
| 01:39.32 | HP-X|Arthas | Swe |
| 01:39.35 | Agouti | ahh |
| 01:39.45 | HP-X|Arthas | trying to get out of the hellhole atm |
| 01:39.47 | Agouti | do your farmy types get broadband? |
| 01:39.59 | HP-X|Arthas | 1000/1000Mbit in best cases |
| 01:39.59 | HP-X|Arthas | :p |
| 01:40.03 | HP-X|Arthas | dedicated |
| 01:40.08 | Agouti | :( |
| 01:40.14 | HP-X|Arthas | now im on 100/100 |
| 01:40.18 | Agouti | aus = crappy net land |
| 01:40.28 | HP-X|Arthas | ive heard :D |
| 01:40.40 | Agouti | part of the reason is |
| 01:41.15 | Agouti | we are like, only a little bit smaller than the US minus alaska, but have 21 million people |
| 01:41.33 | Agouti | the state capitols are 6 or 7 hours drive apart |
| 01:41.35 | HP-X|Arthas | lots of area to cover :p |
| 01:41.42 | Agouti | ya |
| 01:41.42 | HP-X|Arthas | we are what.... 9 million perhaps |
| 01:41.50 | Agouti | we are sloooowly getting fibre to the node |
| 01:41.52 | Agouti | slowly |
| 01:42.00 | Agouti | what sort of area? |
| 01:42.06 | HP-X|Arthas | but i was disappoint when they in the beginning of 2000 included DSL as broadband |
| 01:42.15 | HP-X|Arthas | cunts, FTTH now |
| 01:42.28 | HP-X|Arthas | australia |
| 01:42.32 | Agouti | our broadband has always been dsl... |
| 01:42.32 | HP-X|Arthas | not sweden, we are small :D |
| 01:42.47 | Agouti | lol |
| 01:42.55 | Agouti | did you go to dreamhack? |
| 01:43.00 | HP-X|Arthas | nope |
| 01:43.04 | Agouti | missed out |
| 01:43.09 | HP-X|Arthas | I would have loved to go early years |
| 01:43.13 | HP-X|Arthas | now its just a ploy |
| 01:43.15 | HP-X|Arthas | imo |
| 01:43.25 | Agouti | yeah probably |
| 01:43.26 | HP-X|Arthas | I never enjyed lan after fast internet was introduced |
| 01:43.33 | HP-X|Arthas | "Hey, lets play this!" |
| 01:43.38 | HP-X|Arthas | Nah, im just gonna grind some wow |
| 01:43.38 | Agouti | more for the SC2 comp |
| 01:43.55 | Agouti | was some pretty big names there |
| 01:44.03 | Agouti | 10,000 kroner first prize |
| 01:44.19 | Agouti | which isn't huge, but not small either |
| 01:44.33 | HP-X|Arthas | 10k is pretty small imo :p |
| 01:44.43 | HP-X|Arthas | for a dedicated player that is |
| 01:44.43 | Agouti | is compared with GSL |
| 01:44.52 | HP-X|Arthas | I mean I make more in a month |
| 01:44.57 | HP-X|Arthas | with my cappy job |
| 01:45.21 | Agouti | a months earnings for a weekend of sc2 isn't bad |
| 01:45.24 | Agouti | plus the prizes |
| 01:45.30 | HP-X|Arthas | meanwhile some swe csplayers lived on playing and had at least 300 times that sum (divided between the team) |
| 01:45.31 | Agouti | like good gaming rigs and that |
| 01:45.44 | Agouti | oh? |
| 01:45.52 | Agouti | oh cs |
| 01:45.52 | Agouti | ya |
| 01:46.11 | Agouti | but cs has had a lot of time to get sponsors and that |
| 01:46.17 | Xapti | agouti how large have you had sight radius? |
| 01:46.18 | Agouti | GSL pulls in pretty good prizes |
| 01:46.29 | HP-X|Arthas | to be honest, not following GSL :D |
| 01:46.30 | Agouti | xapti: 15 I think is the largest |
| 01:46.31 | Agouti | OH |
| 01:46.33 | HP-X|Arthas | stopped following all that |
| 01:46.37 | Agouti | I know your problem I bet |
| 01:46.40 | Xapti | yeah RO64 has guaranteed mnoey, like 200$ or something |
| 01:46.45 | Agouti | make sure to tearn of Use Line Of Sight |
| 01:47.02 | Agouti | if you have that checked, it caps the sight radius |
| 01:47.04 | Xapti | tearn? |
| 01:47.13 | Agouti | turn off* |
| 01:47.26 | HP-X|Arthas | hyarion: around? |
| 01:47.37 | Agouti | it's under the unit flags |
| 01:47.43 | Xapti | so LOS changes stuff that units see or what |
| 01:47.44 | Agouti | ~seen hyarion |
| 01:47.47 | purl | hyarion is currently on #sc2mapster (4d 4h 27m 26s), last said: 'i thought it was located in .af :('. |
| 01:47.58 | Agouti | holy idling batman |
| 01:48.19 | Agouti | LOS means that units set as blocking, like trees, will stop LOS |
| 01:48.34 | HP-X|Arthas | there is a convention i wanna go to in norway |
| 01:48.35 | Xapti | yeah |
| 01:48.43 | Agouti | whereas if it's off, that radius is revealed for the unit no matter what (proper LOS blockers still work however) |
| 01:48.45 | HP-X|Arthas | cant remember the name of it though |
| 01:49.05 | Xapti | I've had my IRC open for 11 days so far |
| 01:49.15 | Xapti | on my old PC I've had it open for up to 40 some days |
| 01:49.19 | Agouti | I shut down when I sleep, save some power :3 |
| 01:49.36 | Agouti | since it idles at like oh idk 400W or something |
| 01:49.46 | Xapti | that'rs only on full load |
| 01:49.51 | Agouti | nope |
| 01:49.56 | Agouti | got a power meter plugged in |
| 01:50.14 | Xapti | when a computer is idle it uses a lot less power... at least normal computers |
| 01:50.16 | HP-X|Arthas | 400w when idling is kinda juicy :p |
| 01:50.20 | Agouti | for whatever reason it doesn't seem to change much |
| 01:50.25 | Agouti | annoys me tbh |
| 01:50.29 | Xapti | don't know what thte hell your computer is using for 400w idle |
| 01:50.40 | Agouti | me either :( |
| 01:50.59 | Agouti | 3 hdd's, 1 cd drive, cpu, 2 vid cards |
| 01:50.59 | Xapti | power supply efficiency is a pretty big factor |
| 01:51.06 | Agouti | which don't even have the fan running half the time |
| 01:51.10 | Agouti | really shouldn't chew that much |
| 01:51.10 | Xapti | can have PSUs varying from 6% to 90% |
| 01:51.14 | DarkRevenant | alright |
| 01:51.16 | DarkRevenant | check the forums |
| 01:51.16 | Agouti | PSU should be 87% ish |
| 01:51.18 | Xapti | *60 |
| 01:51.19 | DarkRevenant | notice something different? |
| 01:51.26 | Agouti | claimed, anyway |
| 01:51.33 | Agouti | it is a PF correcting, which doesn't help |
| 01:51.52 | Xapti | well there's active PF correction and passive PF correction |
| 01:51.55 | HP-X|Arthas | well xapti |
| 01:52.04 | Agouti | acvtive PF |
| 01:52.05 | Agouti | active* |
| 01:52.07 | HP-X|Arthas | psus on 6% cant be that common today |
| 01:52.14 | Xapti | 60% you mean? |
| 01:52.23 | Xapti | i made typo |
| 01:52.28 | HP-X|Arthas | i meant 60 |
| 01:52.39 | Xapti | 60% are probably more rare now, 70% more common |
| 01:52.41 | HP-X|Arthas | well, at least not the psu's i look at |
| 01:53.00 | HP-X|Arthas | which reminds me, I need a new psu |
| 01:53.16 | HP-X|Arthas | old one broke for no reason at all and im on a borrowed one atm :D |
| 01:53.18 | Xapti | if you're going to buy a new PSU for more than like 60-70 USD it will be higher efficiency |
| 01:53.30 | Xapti | doesn't mean that most PSUs are high efficency though |
| 01:53.33 | Agouti | it's a corsair TX 750 |
| 01:53.36 | Agouti | like $120 or so? |
| 01:53.40 | Xapti | yeah yeah that's a good one |
| 01:54.04 | Agouti | I had it die on me, though corsair were very goo about warranty |
| 01:54.11 | Agouti | same day turn around, shipped me a brand new one |
| 01:54.19 | HP-X|Arthas | i spent 120 on the one that died |
| 01:54.23 | Xapti | my old computer's PSU I got for 10$ of eBay lol |
| 01:54.30 | HP-X|Arthas | after 850 modular corsair now |
| 01:54.31 | Xapti | 600W, never failed or anything |
| 01:54.32 | Agouti | @__@ |
| 01:54.36 | Agouti | lol |
| 01:54.44 | Xapti | for last 4.5 years |
| 01:54.46 | HP-X|Arthas | but im also planning on 2x 6990 + 4x monitors :D |
| 01:54.46 | Agouti | I like autoswitching/voltage regulated |
| 01:54.54 | HP-X|Arthas | So, who wants to give me some monies! |
| 01:54.54 | Agouti | er |
| 01:55.04 | Agouti | you know you won't be able to run them on crossfire like that though? |
| 01:55.11 | HP-X|Arthas | i wont? :< |
| 01:55.17 | HP-X|Arthas | havent looked it up yet so no |
| 01:55.21 | Agouti | you can only plug into one of the cards |
| 01:55.24 | HP-X|Arthas | always used nvidia cards, took it for grantet |
| 01:55.26 | HP-X|Arthas | granted |
| 01:55.26 | Agouti | when running CF/SLI |
| 01:55.36 | HP-X|Arthas | asdf |
| 01:55.40 | HP-X|Arthas | FGSDFAF |
| 01:55.43 | Agouti | since when could you plug into both cards with SLI? |
| 01:55.44 | Agouti | er |
| 01:55.44 | Xapti | I'm pissed off wit my crossfire setup |
| 01:55.48 | Agouti | maybe I was just wrong... |
| 01:55.57 | Xapti | I don't know if it's my mobo or what, but I don't see why mobo owuld be the problem |
| 01:55.57 | HP-X|Arthas | Agouti: I never did, I just assumed :p |
| 01:56.11 | Xapti | because whenI re-install windows the problem goes away (until it comes back) |
| 01:56.20 | Agouti | you CAN run more than 2 monitors |
| 01:56.28 | Agouti | lately |
| 01:56.31 | Xapti | I can't put another card in my 2nd pcie slot or windows will bluescreen on load |
| 01:56.31 | Agouti | er |
| 01:56.32 | HP-X|Arthas | well atis card has support for 3 |
| 01:56.34 | Agouti | eyefinity? |
| 01:56.37 | HP-X|Arthas | with a single |
| 01:56.40 | Agouti | yeah |
| 01:56.41 | HP-X|Arthas | and w eyefinity i think its 6 |
| 01:57.08 | Xapti | Even if I completely uninstall ATI drivers it still won't load with a second card. The problems been baffling me |
| 01:57.10 | Agouti | and I beleive you don't get CF with that |
| 01:57.14 | HP-X|Arthas | since I saw an eyefinity-adapted monitor consisting of 6 monitors on for sale by retailer |
| 01:57.20 | Agouti | Xapti: that is quite strange |
| 01:57.33 | Agouti | double check, though, Arthas, I haven't looked into it for a year or so |
| 01:57.38 | Xapti | only reinstalling windows helped |
| 01:57.41 | HP-X|Arthas | Would have to do |
| 01:57.41 | Agouti | Xapti: what happens? |
| 01:57.58 | Xapti | well i assembled this PC when SC2 came out |
| 01:58.08 | Xapti | and it worked fine in scrossfre for a week or two |
| 01:58.27 | Agouti | what cards? |
| 01:58.28 | Xapti | then while playing SC the computer crashed, and would no longer boot with a card in the 2nd slot |
| 01:58.31 | Agouti | 5870's? |
| 01:58.31 | Xapti | 4850 |
| 01:58.35 | Agouti | ah |
| 01:58.36 | Agouti | yup |
| 01:58.38 | Agouti | known problem |
| 01:58.44 | Agouti | you need to RMA the problem card |
| 01:58.44 | Xapti | it is? |
| 01:58.52 | Xapti | it's not the problem card though |
| 01:58.52 | Agouti | I've had a 4870 die on me |
| 01:58.55 | Xapti | I can't interchange them |
| 01:58.56 | Agouti | are you sure? |
| 01:58.59 | Xapti | *can |
| 01:59.04 | Agouti | so |
| 01:59.08 | Agouti | you can run problem free |
| 01:59.12 | Agouti | for a few weeks |
| 01:59.13 | Xapti | and re-installing the OS fixed the problem |
| 01:59.14 | Agouti | on either card? |
| 01:59.18 | Xapti | but then it came back |
| 01:59.27 | Agouti | but this is the important part |
| 01:59.34 | HP-X|Arthas | This is why I love computers, cases like xaptis! |
| 01:59.39 | Agouti | can you boot up off one card, every time, without problems? |
| 01:59.45 | Agouti | just having one or the other in there |
| 01:59.50 | Agouti | and it cold boots every time? |
| 01:59.51 | Xapti | well I never tested for CERTAIN sustained on both cards, but I can boot fine on either card I did test that |
| 02:00.04 | Agouti | because the problem that I got, and other people as well |
| 02:00.09 | Xapti | just not sure if I left the card in for a longer period of time |
| 02:00.38 | Agouti | is that one of the cards would fizzle out a bit, it would boot intermittently off the problem card |
| 02:00.54 | Agouti | and that same card would not work in CF most of the time |
| 02:00.55 | Xapti | Well with this news I'll have to double check, but I did definitely check before once. That's one of the first things to do |
| 02:01.20 | Xapti | the issue is when I have any card in the 2nd slot |
| 02:01.33 | Agouti | have you had a chance to test other cards? |
| 02:01.36 | Xapti | because 1 card in the 2ndslot won't work etiher I tested |
| 02:01.42 | Agouti | no |
| 02:01.46 | Agouti | that won't work regardless |
| 02:01.51 | Xapti | well I heard it could work |
| 02:01.56 | Agouti | unless you set, in the bios, to boot to the second slot |
| 02:01.59 | Xapti | even from mobo support they said I think |
| 02:02.08 | Agouti | you have to set the default graphics adapted to PCIE2 |
| 02:02.17 | Xapti | might depend on the motherboard, some might need to change, some might not |
| 02:02.18 | Agouti | adapter* |
| 02:02.24 | Agouti | brand? |
| 02:02.27 | Xapti | sphhire |
| 02:02.38 | Agouti | what brand of bios? |
| 02:02.53 | Xapti | eVGA |
| 02:02.59 | Agouti | hmm, unsure |
| 02:03.03 | Xapti | I made sure I upgrade to the latest version after a while |
| 02:03.08 | Agouti | but usually you have to set the default adapter |
| 02:03.33 | Agouti | otherwise it can't pick between un-crossfired cards, or a PCI card, or onboard |
| 02:03.38 | Agouti | which can all run concurrently |
| 02:03.53 | Agouti | it would be a pretty big flaw to just default to PCI1 |
| 02:03.58 | Xapti | i don't have onboard |
| 02:04.02 | Agouti | I would double check that |
| 02:04.29 | Agouti | just make sure you know how to reset the bios if it really IS a problem with the second slot ;) |
| 02:04.39 | Xapti | well even if it doesn't support a single card in the 2nd slot jsut because it's not supposed to doesn't really solve my problem at al |
| 02:04.50 | Agouti | no, what I'm saying is |
| 02:04.55 | Agouti | it WILL support it |
| 02:05.02 | Agouti | you just have to set it to boot to that slot |
| 02:05.10 | Xapti | yeah |
| 02:05.25 | Agouti | and it is kinda important, because it's the step that determines whether the problem is that slot or not |
| 02:05.40 | Agouti | so while it might not solve it, it's important info |
| 02:05.45 | Xapti | not completely, because the slot still wroked after i reinstalled windows |
| 02:06.16 | Xapti | but I do understand your point |
| 02:06.27 | Agouti | yeah... but coincidence can sometimes look like cause |
| 02:06.34 | Agouti | I've been fucked up by that before |
| 02:07.18 | Agouti | if it is driver related, you should be able to duplicate it by reinstalling video drivers |
| 02:08.05 | Agouti | doing it like the extra-OCD way might do it - safe mode, uninstall, restart into safe mode, install, etc |
| 02:08.23 | Agouti | though rebooting back into SM a second time might not be needed |
| 02:08.32 | Xapti | support said "Normally this port will be able to be used as the primary port if there is not other video card installed into the computer" |
| 02:08.37 | Skittles | agouti |
| 02:08.39 | Skittles | xap |
| 02:08.44 | Agouti | o hai skittles |
| 02:08.47 | Agouti | whats up? |
| 02:08.47 | Skittles | Help me make a video plox? |
| 02:08.54 | Agouti | :o I'll try... |
| 02:08.54 | Skittles | I wana kill you guys real fast. |
| 02:08.59 | Agouti | but but |
| 02:09.08 | DarkRevenant | kill |
| 02:09.10 | DarkRevenant | KILL |
| 02:09.11 | Skittles | give me like 10 minutes |
| 02:09.12 | DarkRevenant | YOU ARE |
| 02:09.12 | Agouti | I'm far too sexy to die D: |
| 02:09.13 | DarkRevenant | VIOLENT |
| 02:09.22 | Skittles | My zombies will rape your body. <3 |
| 02:09.25 | Skittles | Join us... join us.. |
| 02:09.26 | Skittles | oooh |
| 02:09.30 | Agouti | .__. |
| 02:09.36 | Agouti | that doesn't sound like fun at all :( |
| 02:09.42 | Skittles | =( |
| 02:09.53 | Agouti | but on a more serious note |
| 02:09.56 | Agouti | would be happy to |
| 02:09.58 | Agouti | be aware |
| 02:09.58 | Skittles | Dark, since xapti isn't responding, wana join instead? |
| 02:10.01 | Xapti | I'm totally lazy, I don't like being OCD on debugging lol |
| 02:10.04 | Xapti | I can play |
| 02:10.07 | Agouti | I will lag like a $20 hooker on crack |
| 02:10.07 | Skittles | sure |
| 02:10.10 | DarkRevenant | i'd rather avoid the raping |
| 02:10.14 | Skittles | lo |
| 02:10.20 | Skittles | u coming to dark or? |
| 02:10.28 | DarkRevenant | might as well |
| 02:10.32 | Skittles | Never even had 1 tester so far on my 5 player map Xd |
| 02:10.32 | Agouti | skittles: you got me in game? and NA ya? |
| 02:10.33 | Skittles | kay. |
| 02:10.36 | Skittles | yeah ido |
| 02:10.37 | DarkRevenant | i'll just start up the game |
| 02:10.41 | Skittles | k |
| 02:10.45 | HP-X|Arthas | yo play |
| 02:10.50 | Skittles | gonna publish it real fast. |
| 02:10.55 | HP-X|Arthas | i go sleep, its the 24th and its 3 am :D |
| 02:11.04 | HP-X|Arthas | nite ppl! |
| 02:11.14 | Skittles | l8er |
| 02:11.54 | Agouti | on another note, is it easy to make a unit attack ground? |
| 02:12.04 | Skittles | should be |
| 02:12.09 | Skittles | if u mean trigger commanding it |
| 02:12.14 | Agouti | er, no |
| 02:12.20 | Agouti | as in DE ability |
| 02:12.29 | Agouti | or better yet just let them attack -> click |
| 02:12.41 | Xapti | need to make it's weapon attack point or unit I think? |
| 02:13.02 | Xapti | Assuming that's possible like it is with abilities.. |
| 02:13.12 | Agouti | should be |
| 02:13.13 | Xapti | of coruse then attack-mvoewouldn't really work |
| 02:13.30 | Agouti | I would imagine it's as simple as making the weapon Target - Target Unit/Point instead of just unit |
| 02:13.38 | Agouti | yeah not worried by that |
| 02:14.23 | Agouti | FYI: 9 range lurkers are stupidly easy to micro against |
| 02:14.36 | Xapti | as long as you have good range yourself? |
| 02:14.45 | Agouti | well yeah |
| 02:14.47 | Agouti | i mean |
| 02:14.49 | Xapti | 4 range marine would be pretty rought lol |
| 02:14.51 | Agouti | zergling couldn't do it |
| 02:14.58 | Agouti | yeah pretty tricky |
| 02:15.00 | Xapti | although amrines don't ahve 4 range in sc2 anymore |
| 02:15.09 | Agouti | but the actual attack takes like nearly a second to get to the max range |
| 02:15.14 | Agouti | wait |
| 02:15.15 | Agouti | what |
| 02:15.24 | Xapti | yeah pretty slow. About 10 movement speed I guess |
| 02:15.36 | Agouti | if that |
| 02:15.38 | Xapti | that's the speed of my grenades in my game |
| 02:15.48 | Agouti | probably closer to 5 or 6 tbh |
| 02:15.51 | Agouti | weel |
| 02:15.59 | Xapti | range 15 though, with AoE, dodgeable |
| 02:15.59 | Agouti | 8 maybe |
| 02:16.04 | Agouti | however |
| 02:16.11 | Agouti | the good thing about that |
| 02:16.16 | Agouti | is if the unit is running away |
| 02:16.17 | Xapti | invite xapti 820 when I get online skittles |
| 02:16.20 | Agouti | they can get hit ultiple times |
| 02:16.23 | Skittles | k |
| 02:16.34 | Agouti | you said you had me skittles? agouti.653? |
| 02:17.00 | Xapti | I think blizzard set up markers for attacks |
| 02:17.08 | Xapti | like colossus and such |
| 02:17.18 | Agouti | ARG |
| 02:17.20 | Agouti | COLOSSUS |
| 02:17.25 | Agouti | worst unit to kite with |
| 02:17.26 | Agouti | ever |
| 02:17.39 | Agouti | stupid damage getting applied 2/3rds of the way through the attack animation |
| 02:17.42 | Xapti | it's slow, but it can run up cliffs |
| 02:17.45 | Skittles | kay publishing now |
| 02:17.45 | Agouti | >:( |
| 02:17.51 | Agouti | not that it's slow xapti |
| 02:18.01 | Skittles | kay get on |
| 02:18.03 | Agouti | it's when the damage gets applied during the attack period |
| 02:18.07 | Agouti | been on foreva |
| 02:18.14 | Skittles | mkay |
| 02:36.29 | Skittles | u guys failed me Xd |
| 02:36.41 | Skittles | but yeah after u left agouti it stopped lagging <3 =( |
| 02:36.53 | Agouti | thought it was me |
| 02:42.53 | Skittles | =( |
| 02:43.00 | Skittles | everybody failed tho |
| 02:43.09 | Agouti | lol |
| 02:43.10 | Skittles | one person scrolled his wheel and fucked up him cam |
| 02:43.18 | Skittles | then everybody else followed for some reason |
| 02:43.52 | Xapti | lol |
| 02:43.52 | Agouti | the whole thing about the camera pointing left confused me |
| 02:43.57 | Agouti | so much |
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| 02:45.00 | Skittles | dustin |
| 02:45.03 | Skittles | you there |
| 02:46.29 | Xapti | where'd you get everyone from skittles |
| 02:46.37 | Skittles | in my game? |
| 02:46.40 | Xapti | yeah |
| 02:46.42 | Skittles | agouti u and dark |
| 02:46.47 | Skittles | and dark was in a 5 man party |
| 02:46.50 | Skittles | and he wanted em to sepctate |
| 02:46.53 | Xapti | oh |
| 02:47.14 | Dustin | sup |
| 02:49.40 | Agouti | hi dustin |
| 02:50.43 | Dustin | hi |
| 02:55.36 | Skittles | dustin |
| 02:55.44 | Skittles | i think i found a way to get online |
| 02:55.52 | Dustin | oh ya? |
| 02:56.00 | Dustin | ive been trying to so hard |
| 02:56.01 | Skittles | yeah |
| 02:56.03 | Skittles | over lan |
| 02:56.10 | Skittles | download hamachi |
| 02:56.13 | Skittles | and we can connect |
| 02:56.15 | Skittles | and paly |
| 02:56.31 | Xapti | for what? |
| 02:56.59 | Skittles | for minecraft |
| 02:57.14 | Xapti | minecraft plays over lan? |
| 02:57.32 | Skittles | u can |
| 02:57.44 | Xapti | didn't know that |
| 02:58.36 | Agouti | btw |
| 02:58.39 | Agouti | for minecraft |
| 02:58.45 | Agouti | it is better, even when playing SP |
| 02:58.50 | Agouti | to run a local server |
| 02:58.57 | Agouti | and connect to it |
| 02:59.09 | Agouti | that way if you ever want to show off you creations it's eas |
| 02:59.16 | Skittles | mmhmm |
| 02:59.17 | Agouti | as well as being bale to install mods |
| 02:59.21 | Skittles | u could just let people dl the map |
| 02:59.23 | Agouti | able* |
| 02:59.30 | Skittles | but we have pirated versions |
| 02:59.35 | Agouti | :-/ |
| 02:59.37 | Skittles | so we gotta do lan |
| 02:59.38 | Skittles | Xd |
| 02:59.40 | Agouti | :-/ |
| 02:59.45 | Skittles | I'm thinking about buying it tho |
| 02:59.46 | Agouti | sif pirate a indie game |
| 02:59.52 | Skittles | lol |
| 03:00.06 | Agouti | don't get me wrong, i have a lot of pirated games |
| 03:00.07 | Skittles | It being a non-indie game isn't an excuse btw |
| 03:00.10 | Agouti | er, had, before hdd died |
| 03:00.20 | Agouti | it is to me :) |
| 03:00.22 | Skittles | lo |
| 03:00.31 | Skittles | Big companies deserve the money just as much as a small one |
| 03:00.35 | Agouti | EA doesn't need supporting |
| 03:00.39 | Skittles | it does |
| 03:00.44 | Agouti | I would disagree |
| 03:00.52 | Skittles | don't get me wrong |
| 03:01.00 | Skittles | some games are just getting greedy |
| 03:01.02 | Agouti | EA would notice a missing sale a lot more than a little 1 man band |
| 03:01.05 | Agouti | plus |
| 03:01.08 | Skittles | like sc2 being 60 and black ops n such |
| 03:01.11 | Agouti | EA fucks it's customers |
| 03:01.17 | Skittles | no? |
| 03:01.18 | Agouti | as does the COD franchise |
| 03:01.20 | Agouti | ya |
| 03:01.24 | Skittles | how |
| 03:01.27 | Agouti | poor patch support |
| 03:01.29 | Agouti | for a start |
| 03:01.47 | Agouti | they push out games before they are ready as well |
| 03:03.10 | Agouti | plus putting consoles before PC's in terms of priorities puts me off |
| 03:04.29 | Skittles | dustin u there |
| 03:04.42 | Skittles | true enough agouti |
| 03:04.49 | Skittles | but theft is theft |
| 03:05.10 | Agouti | ya, but if I was never going to buy it regardless |
| 03:05.14 | Skittles | i was originally planning on minecraft to suck btw |
| 03:05.16 | Skittles | so i didn't want to buy it |
| 03:05.24 | Skittles | but now, I only have the issue that |
| 03:05.24 | Dustin | ya sup |
| 03:05.25 | Agouti | like, for instance, I would never buy CoD7 |
| 03:05.34 | Skittles | it's not really worth money atm, til they add more items |
| 03:05.36 | Skittles | anyway |
| 03:05.37 | Dustin | oh hey |
| 03:05.40 | Skittles | dustin join my game |
| 03:05.41 | Dustin | Like Ive got hamachi |
| 03:05.42 | Agouti | so if I do end up getting a pirated version to play the SP, it's no loss for them |
| 03:05.44 | Skittles | my server |
| 03:05.48 | Skittles | open it |
| 03:05.49 | Skittles | 052-251-373 |
| 03:05.51 | Skittles | password rawr |
| 03:05.52 | Dustin | But how do I join it |
| 03:06.02 | Agouti | multiplayer |
| 03:06.03 | Agouti | join server |
| 03:06.06 | Skittles | when u get on there should be two choices |
| 03:06.13 | Skittles | or i mean |
| 03:06.17 | Skittles | hit network button at top |
| 03:06.18 | Agouti | I know, it's not obvious |
| 03:06.19 | Skittles | join server |
| 03:06.20 | Skittles | 052-251-373 |
| 03:06.21 | Skittles | rawr |
| 03:06.22 | Skittles | is pass |
| 03:06.32 | Agouti | btw skittles |
| 03:06.35 | Skittles | ja? |
| 03:06.43 | Agouti | why does the burrow animation break on one of my unts |
| 03:06.52 | Agouti | the ground broken thing folows it around when unburrowed |
| 03:06.59 | Agouti | has to be in the actor events somewhere ja? |
| 03:07.19 | Agouti | or maybe I'm asking the wrong person lol ^__^ |
| 03:07.28 | Skittles | idk |
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| 03:07.33 | Skittles | know not a damn thing about data |
| 03:07.39 | Skittles | other then necesseties |
| 03:07.50 | Dustin | cant ping you |
| 03:07.58 | Dustin | but Im in your hamachi network |
| 03:08.02 | Skittles | yeah i see |
| 03:08.07 | Skittles | im installing the server now |
| 03:08.14 | Skittles | http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1013&t=35032 instructions btw |
| 03:08.19 | Skittles | for installing n what not |
| 03:08.55 | Dustin | ya but we dont premium accounts |
| 03:09.07 | Dustin | have* |
| 03:10.11 | Skittles | 0.0 |
| 03:10.49 | Skittles | ah shit |
| 03:10.57 | Skittles | so it was always lan in the first place XD |
| 03:11.28 | Xapti | I still need to pay for baldur's gate 2, Penumbra |
| 03:11.56 | Skittles | 0.0 |
| 03:12.24 | Xapti | forget the rest, if there were more |
| 03:12.41 | Skittles | mk |
| 03:12.42 | Skittles | lol |
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| 03:13.34 | Dustin | damnit I want to play this multiplayer :( |
| 03:13.52 | Skittles | same |
| 03:14.01 | Skittles | maybe ill buy it >.> |
| 03:14.14 | Skittles | wont even be here for the next 2 days tho |
| 03:14.16 | Skittles | lol |
| 03:17.21 | Skittles | seems like we can spoof the name dustin |
| 03:17.32 | Dustin | oh really |
| 03:18.57 | Skittles | yeah |
| 03:20.44 | Skittles | im getting timed otu anyway |
| 03:22.04 | Dustin | we need to get this to work |
| 03:22.55 | Skittles | yeah |
| 03:22.58 | Skittles | or just buy it |
| 03:22.59 | Skittles | Xd |
| 03:23.04 | Skittles | is it 10$ or 10 euros? |
| 03:24.25 | Skittles | agouti: answer |
| 03:24.33 | Agouti | ? |
| 03:24.36 | Agouti | 10 euros |
| 03:24.43 | Skittles | k lol |
| 03:24.45 | Agouti | $17 or so |
| 03:24.46 | Skittles | like how that worked |
| 03:24.52 | Skittles | ehh |
| 03:25.02 | Skittles | not sure if it's worth it anymore now |
| 03:25.20 | Agouti | sorry |
| 03:25.21 | Agouti | $13 |
| 03:25.22 | Agouti | http://www.google.com.au/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=10+euros+in+US+dollars |
| 03:25.28 | Skittles | oh okay |
| 03:25.29 | Skittles | 13 is fine |
| 03:25.30 | Skittles | lol |
| 03:25.37 | Agouti | tight-ass :P |
| 03:25.41 | Skittles | seems more like 10 then 20 now for some reason haha |
| 03:25.46 | Agouti | haha |
| 03:25.53 | Agouti | only $4 difference ^__^ |
| 03:25.59 | Agouti | thats like |
| 03:26.03 | Agouti | not even a big max |
| 03:26.06 | Skittles | ethats like |
| 03:26.06 | Agouti | mac* |
| 03:26.08 | Skittles | that's like |
| 03:26.12 | Skittles | 3.2 euros |
| 03:26.18 | Skittles | lol |
| 03:26.46 | Skittles | i want pigmen and mounted spiders |
| 03:27.31 | Skittles | wtf |
| 03:27.33 | Skittles | it's 15 euroe |
| 03:27.35 | Skittles | euros |
| 03:28.45 | Agouti | so $18 I guess |
| 03:28.50 | Agouti | $19? |
| 03:28.53 | Skittles | 0.0 |
| 03:28.54 | Agouti | something like that |
| 03:28.59 | Skittles | sounds like 20 |
| 03:29.06 | Agouti | it was 10 euro when I bought it |
| 03:29.17 | Skittles | damnit, why didn't germany wait even longer to bail out greece. |
| 03:29.22 | Skittles | And why the fuck did america do it as well. |
| 03:29.26 | Agouti | hah |
| 03:29.54 | Skittles | u bought it in alpha is probably y |
| 03:29.59 | Skittles | anyway |
| 03:30.04 | Skittles | wana play with me agouti? |
| 03:30.08 | Xapti | well after about 3 days of keeping my editor open it finally crashed when trying to open the terrain editor |
| 03:30.13 | Agouti | :o |
| 03:30.16 | Skittles | lol |
| 03:30.27 | Xapti | definately buggy programming |
| 03:30.31 | Agouti | you can hop on the server I normally frequent |
| 03:30.33 | Xapti | not my computers fault |
| 03:30.33 | Skittles | lol |
| 03:30.43 | Agouti | I have a big model I'm working on |
| 03:30.44 | Skittles | eh i would rather have a u know |
| 03:30.48 | Skittles | friends only server |
| 03:30.51 | Agouti | slowly, since I started on this map |
| 03:30.51 | Skittles | since people can steal |
| 03:30.55 | Agouti | it's a closed server |
| 03:30.58 | Agouti | oh |
| 03:31.01 | Agouti | it's creative mode |
| 03:31.13 | Agouti | if you wanted to start a survival one yeah sure |
| 03:31.16 | Skittles | survival ftw |
| 03:31.16 | Agouti | be keen |
| 03:31.31 | Agouti | I'm making the titanic in the creative |
| 03:31.43 | Agouti | that would be even more tedius in survival |
| 03:31.51 | Agouti | 274 blocks long... |
| 03:32.14 | Agouti | I think it's got like upm, about 3700 blocks in place in total atm |
| 03:32.20 | Agouti | and the hull is only part done |
| 03:33.01 | Agouti | bags not mining enough iron for 20,000 odd iron blocks |
| 03:33.26 | Agouti | but I do like survival |
| 03:33.29 | Skittles | kay ill buy it now |
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| 03:33.32 | Skittles | u gotta play some time with me tho |
| 03:33.46 | Agouti | ya, I used to play a fair bit |
| 03:33.50 | Rodrigo | I am bored |
| 03:33.54 | Agouti | until I started map making |
| 03:33.55 | Skittles | just got 80 dollars in christmas cards so =D |
| 03:36.16 | Xapti | is there a way to make projectiles blow up before they hit their target if they go over a dodad or something? |
| 03:36.37 | Xapti | essentially collide with the doodad |
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| 03:38.01 | Agouti | Xapti: there should be |
| 03:38.23 | Agouti | I'm not real familiar with missiles but it should be in the actor or mover |
| 03:38.38 | Agouti | you might be able to do it in Collide |
| 03:38.55 | Agouti | or make sure it's on the ground plane and not air |
| 03:38.55 | Agouti | OH |
| 03:38.56 | Agouti | doodad |
| 03:39.14 | Agouti | as long as the doodad has a pathing footprint |
| 03:39.20 | Agouti | or you have pathing painted it |
| 03:39.27 | Agouti | should be possible |
| 03:39.50 | Xapti | yeah good point, ground plane, that might cause other problems though |
| 03:40.05 | Agouti | it will collide with other units then, as well |
| 03:40.16 | Xapti | yeah which I don't want |
| 03:40.25 | Agouti | or you could put No Fly Zones on all the doodads |
| 03:40.34 | Agouti | or you could set it to Burrowed plane |
| 03:40.50 | Xapti | it's an ability targetting point, canthit any units along the way |
| 03:41.02 | Agouti | which would still be affected by pathing paint and footprints |
| 03:41.19 | Agouti | Burrowed plane lets you miss units and hit everything else |
| 03:41.26 | Xapti | ok |
| 03:41.35 | Xapti | or colossus would do similar |
| 03:41.45 | Agouti | um, yeah unsure how colossus works |
| 03:41.51 | Agouti | it's pathing is a little buggy tbh |
| 03:41.55 | Skittles | yaya i can buy it |
| 03:42.06 | Agouti | like, it can't walk over cannons... herpa derpa |
| 03:44.01 | Skittles | 863515 people bought the game |
| 03:44.35 | Agouti | talk about rags to riches |
| 03:44.44 | Xapti | I can change pathing mode, and height map for the mover. |
| 03:44.47 | Agouti | I didn't realise it was THAT many |
| 03:45.11 | Agouti | I hope he continues to support the game for years to come... |
| 03:45.14 | Skittles | lol |
| 03:45.35 | Xapti | height map has air ground and glider, and pathing mode was on ground by default (has like diggerm scaler, flyer, jumpper builder, ground) |
| 03:47.25 | Skittles | bought it |
| 03:47.31 | Skittles | Dustin I went ahead and about it, but gl. lol |
| 03:47.50 | Agouti | well, let me know the ip of the server when it's up |
| 03:47.55 | Agouti | and I will most def put some time in |
| 03:48.10 | Dustin | lol |
| 03:48.28 | Skittles | :p |
| 03:48.38 | Skittles | idk how to get it to work agouti |
| 03:48.48 | Skittles | just keeps saying timed out |
| 03:48.53 | Agouti | the internet knows |
| 03:48.57 | Agouti | google will help if you let it |
| 03:48.58 | Skittles | Xd |
| 03:48.59 | Agouti | ;P |
| 03:49.16 | Agouti | what keeps timing out |
| 03:49.35 | Skittles | when i try to log in via minecraft |
| 03:51.02 | Agouti | me no know |
| 03:51.17 | Skittles | GRR still isn't recognizing me as premium yet.. |
| 03:51.26 | Agouti | er |
| 03:51.28 | Agouti | you are running |
| 03:51.33 | Agouti | the right version yeah? |
| 03:51.34 | Skittles | ? |
| 03:51.39 | Agouti | the new one, not the old one... |
| 03:51.42 | Skittles | i just dled it from the site |
| 03:51.59 | Agouti | there is a free version |
| 03:52.05 | Agouti | and a new version |
| 03:52.24 | Agouti | Minecraft Beta ya? |
| 03:52.28 | Skittles | 20.20 # btw |
| 03:52.30 | Skittles | $ |
| 03:52.35 | Agouti | oh |
| 03:52.40 | Skittles | http://www.minecraft.net/download.jsp |
| 03:52.43 | Agouti | apparently the free version can't be dl'd anymore |
| 03:52.44 | Agouti | ya |
| 03:53.21 | Agouti | idk I'm afraid |
| 03:53.23 | Skittles | says u gotta buy it to browser too |
| 03:53.36 | Agouti | unblocked it in windows firewall? |
| 03:53.55 | Skittles | ? |
| 03:53.56 | Agouti | when you buy, should have it attached to your account |
| 03:54.08 | Skittles | i was logged in and it never asked me for a account name |
| 03:54.21 | Agouti | yeah so it will be attached to the login |
| 03:54.23 | Agouti | same as the site |
| 03:54.26 | Skittles | says it can take up to a week if u use e check, tho i used pay pal |
| 03:54.45 | Agouti | what kind of paypal? |
| 03:54.48 | Skittles | oh outdated minecraft can be played on browser or dl |
| 03:54.51 | Agouti | credit card? |
| 03:54.56 | Skittles | i guess? |
| 03:55.03 | Skittles | I always use it any way |
| 03:55.21 | Agouti | if you don't have a credit card attached to your paypal, or money in the paypal account, it can take a few days |
| 03:55.52 | Agouti | or, to put it another way, if you only have a bank account attached |
| 03:56.27 | Skittles | it shouldn't. |
| 03:56.42 | Skittles | I have never had to wait more then like 10 minutes |
| 04:00.30 | Skittles | sigh wanted to play b4 having to leave for the next 2 days |
| 04:02.19 | Agouti | :( :( :( |
| 04:02.33 | Agouti | =( )= |
| 04:02.45 | Agouti | check again ? |
| 04:03.08 | Agouti | what happens when you try to log in with the browser game? |
| 04:03.15 | Xapti | what's a good way to apply pathing (and possibly LOS blockers for doodads of slightly irregular shapse? |
| 04:03.21 | Skittles | says buy now |
| 04:03.31 | Skittles | with installer it says u need a premium account |
| 04:03.38 | Xapti | it seems like using multiple blockers doesn't work very well, keeps fading the doodad in and out and flickering |
| 04:04.36 | Agouti | skittles, so you open up the browser version |
| 04:04.43 | Agouti | and enter your username/password |
| 04:04.45 | Agouti | and what happens? |
| 04:04.50 | Skittles | yeah but just says buy now |
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| 04:15.44 | XenoX101 | hello |
| 04:17.05 | XenoX101 | o..o..o |
| 04:17.17 | XenoX101 | nobody home? ;p |
| 04:19.08 | Agouti | instead of use names |
| 04:19.10 | Agouti | :P |
| 04:19.20 | Agouti | er |
| 04:19.25 | Agouti | -(instead of) |
| 04:19.46 | Skittles | -,- |
| 04:31.51 | XenoX101 | lol |
| 04:32.09 | XenoX101 | it was a general introduction |
| 04:32.28 | XenoX101 | what are we all up to |
| 04:32.34 | XenoX101 | (^ also general ;p) |
| 04:37.07 | Skittles | weird |
| 04:37.16 | Skittles | the bank doesn't say the money was transfered |
| 04:37.20 | Skittles | but paypal does |
| 04:37.40 | JManV | hmm |
| 04:38.09 | JManV | zombies from the sky! |
| 04:38.14 | JManV | too awesome |
| 04:39.29 | JManV | no HD download for psych? |
| 04:39.30 | JManV | wtf? |
| 04:39.31 | Skittles | lol |
| 04:39.35 | Skittles | psych? |
| 04:39.51 | XenoX101 | psyche! |
| 04:40.01 | Skittles | ? |
| 04:40.27 | JManV | only my favoritest show in the world! |
| 04:40.44 | Skittles | lol |
| 04:40.46 | Skittles | gotcha |
| 04:40.52 | JManV | its a USA comedy |
| 04:40.58 | JManV | USA being the network |
| 04:40.59 | Skittles | zombies from the sky was refering to my map right? |
| 04:41.01 | JManV | yeah |
| 04:41.05 | Skittles | yeah i seen it b4 |
| 04:41.08 | JManV | we loved how they fell |
| 04:41.10 | Skittles | the main charcter has my name btw |
| 04:41.16 | JManV | shawn |
| 04:41.20 | Skittles | lol who's we? |
| 04:41.22 | Skittles | yeah |
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| 04:41.34 | JManV | the other guys in that crazy big party |
| 04:41.40 | Skittles | jman? |
| 04:41.48 | Skittles | xapti? |
| 04:41.52 | Skittles | dark |
| 04:41.56 | JManV | we were laughing at how nonchalantly they poured from the sky |
| 04:41.56 | Skittles | agouti |
| 04:42.00 | Skittles | lol |
| 04:42.08 | Skittles | they made a terrible noise as they did it too! |
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| 04:42.36 | Xapti | wat |
| 04:42.45 | JManV | heh |
| 04:42.49 | Skittles | increased the spawn range requirement by 2 btw. |
| 04:42.53 | Skittles | nothing xap |
| 04:42.53 | JManV | you were in that big part earlier |
| 04:42.54 | Agouti | BEEP |
| 04:42.56 | JManV | thas all |
| 04:42.59 | Skittles | u were just a topic in the conversation |
| 04:43.08 | Agouti | o well fine |
| 04:43.09 | JManV | yeah you just paged everyone skit :) |
| 04:43.09 | Agouti | </3 |
| 04:43.17 | Skittles | lol i was aware of it too |
| 04:43.23 | JManV | oh ok |
| 04:43.27 | JManV | screw those guys |
| 04:43.32 | JManV | (that can hear me) |
| 04:43.34 | JManV | oops |
| 04:43.37 | JManV | :P |
| 04:43.47 | Xapti | I can't get my projectile to do anything with blockers |
| 04:43.55 | Xapti | nothing happens no matter what I change |
| 04:44.07 | Xapti | just flies to it's target then explodes |
| 04:44.39 | JManV | finally! huk playing sc2! |
| 04:45.16 | Skittles | huk? |
| 04:45.18 | Xapti | maybe it's cfase my driver is set to ballistic? i dunno |
| 04:45.37 | JManV | yeah HuK |
| 04:45.46 | JManV | like, liquidHuK |
| 04:46.07 | Xapti | how much memory does editor+SC2 use for you guys?> |
| 04:46.18 | JManV | 400-800k? |
| 04:46.21 | progammer | JManV: huk has been playing since forever ? |
| 04:46.25 | Skittles | 600-1200k |
| 04:46.29 | Skittles | 600k-1200k |
| 04:46.36 | JManV | he was streaming CoH earlier today |
| 04:46.38 | Skittles | norm is 600k-900k |
| 04:46.44 | Xapti | you mean megs? |
| 04:46.50 | Xapti | both together? |
| 04:46.50 | Skittles | idk |
| 04:46.53 | Skittles | ? |
| 04:47.00 | progammer | Xapti: the editor or the game also ? |
| 04:47.03 | Xapti | both editor and game running at hte same time |
| 04:47.04 | JManV | no, not both together |
| 04:47.04 | Skittles | whe n ugo into processes |
| 04:47.08 | JManV | both together is like 2G |
| 04:47.10 | Skittles | oh wait |
| 04:47.15 | Skittles | editor plus sc2 |
| 04:47.16 | JManV | 1.5-2G |
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| 04:47.29 | Xapti | yeah for me it's like 1.6 to 2.2G |
| 04:47.41 | Skittles | yeah same |
| 04:47.48 | Skittles | depends on ur map by a lot tho |
| 04:47.51 | Skittles | and if u have terrain open |
| 04:47.56 | Skittles | or ever opened it |
| 04:47.58 | JManV | that plus OS plus a few other programs = 4G gone |
| 04:48.06 | Xapti | yeah ever opening it is like 100-200 |
| 04:48.08 | Skittles | wtf 4g? |
| 04:48.12 | Xapti | plus it memory leaks for me AFAIK |
| 04:48.28 | JManV | 4G is how much i have |
| 04:48.32 | Skittles | my computer has some what trouble running 1.4g |
| 04:48.40 | JManV | i'm saying i cap it if i run too much and the editor/game |
| 04:48.45 | Skittles | is this memory thing ram? |
| 04:48.51 | JManV | yeah, RAM |
| 04:48.56 | Skittles | oh never knew that |
| 04:49.00 | Skittles | i got 3g total |
| 04:49.15 | Skittles | but everything starts getting a bit slow at 1.5g ish @.@ |
| 04:49.34 | progammer | well open terrain editor and zoom out, its not consistent |
| 04:50.06 | JManV | what diamond player runs all their gates of one pylon? |
| 04:50.23 | JManV | i double up real early |
| 04:50.37 | progammer | probe are the priority |
| 04:50.54 | progammer | they're just awesome |
| 04:50.57 | progammer | i want more probes |
| 04:51.15 | JManV | i just watched HuK 4-gate push and knocked out one pylon and all the other guys gates went down |
| 04:51.19 | JManV | rookie mistake |
| 04:51.28 | JManV | but HuK's in diamon |
| 04:51.47 | Xapti | huks grand master leage essentially |
| 04:51.54 | JManV | yeah |
| 04:51.59 | JManV | but his opponent |
| 04:52.10 | JManV | is the one who didn't double up his gate power |
| 04:52.16 | Skittles | lol i remember in sc1 |
| 04:52.22 | Skittles | this guy made a wall of pylons around his base |
| 04:52.25 | Skittles | i mean |
| 04:52.29 | Xapti | oh well opponent is probably master or better |
| 04:52.30 | Skittles | a wall of towers around his base |
| 04:52.35 | Skittles | but only 1 pylon |
| 04:52.36 | Skittles | Xd |
| 04:52.39 | JManV | heh |
| 04:52.39 | Xapti | quite a diference between bottom of diamond |
| 04:52.45 | JManV | i busted a base once |
| 04:52.53 | JManV | that was protected by cannons |
| 04:52.57 | JManV | circling one pylon |
| 04:53.02 | JManV | he had the whole radius filled |
| 04:53.13 | JManV | but i knocked out the pylon |
| 04:53.29 | JManV | it was hilarious |
| 04:53.45 | JManV | but that was like gold league |
| 04:54.03 | JManV | after doing that and having it happen to my gates once or twice, i learned |
| 04:54.19 | JManV | important things need more than 1 pylon |
| 04:55.03 | JManV | so anyone know anything about libraries? |
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| 04:56.11 | Skittles | Hey progammer u there? |
| 04:56.22 | progammer | here |
| 04:56.26 | Skittles | =D |
| 04:56.39 | *** mode/#sc2mapster [+v progammer] by Sixen |
| 04:56.43 | Skittles | Can you hold off on newsing my project til Tuesday actually? XD |
| 04:57.12 | JManV | news isn't a verb silly :P |
| 04:57.15 | Skizot | news my video and i will SMITE thee! |
| 04:57.22 | Skittles | Probably wont be many on saturday or sunday and I wont be here to answer questions on friday saturaday and sunday. Xd |
| 04:57.33 | progammer | Skittles: sure i will |
| 04:57.37 | Skittles | Thanks. |
| 04:57.48 | progammer | Skittles: what video |
| 04:57.56 | Skittles | Gonna make a new one. |
| 04:58.03 | JManV | dude, someone just sentry micro'd huk right back |
| 04:58.07 | JManV | that was pretty cool |
| 04:58.38 | Skizot | i ASSUME you mean me, in which case fuck you skittles for having a name so close to mine. |
| 04:58.57 | Skittles | ? |
| 04:58.58 | progammer | Skizot: yeah lol |
| 04:59.12 | Skittles | hhahah |
| 04:59.16 | Skizot | my terran conflict tech demo video? |
| 04:59.42 | Skittles | minecraft is pissing me off now Xd |
| 04:59.59 | progammer | Skizot: that inactive project ? |
| 05:00.04 | Skittles | been a good 30 minutes at least since I bought it and still it wont let me in. |
| 05:00.05 | Skittles | =( |
| 05:00.12 | progammer | this tab thing is stupid for being based on last message |
| 05:00.22 | Skizot | it's only "inactive" on sc2m |
| 05:00.36 | progammer | Skizot: i think vj newsed it |
| 05:00.38 | progammer | already |
| 05:01.14 | XenoX101_a | does anyone here know anything about building animations/why my build animation won't work |
| 05:01.24 | JManV | still? |
| 05:01.34 | XenoX101_a | still |
| 05:01.45 | JManV | have you checked all the event references? |
| 05:01.50 | XenoX101_a | yep |
| 05:02.00 | XenoX101_a | UnitConstruction.Obelisk.Start |
| 05:03.26 | JManV | what building? |
| 05:03.34 | XenoX101_a | obelisk |
| 05:04.08 | JManV | you're sure that has a building animation? |
| 05:04.38 | XenoX101_a | oh nah I'm just using the general birth animation |
| 05:04.46 | XenoX101_a | and trying to create it when the building starts |
| 05:05.05 | JManV | which animation? |
| 05:05.49 | XenoX101_a | ProtossBuild.m3, Stand Build Birth |
| 05:06.26 | JManV | you copied an actor? |
| 05:06.36 | XenoX101_a | ya |
| 05:07.01 | JManV | hmm |
| 05:07.11 | JManV | it might not first the unit constuction event |
| 05:07.14 | XenoX101_a | and I changed all the events to reference my new actor |
| 05:07.15 | JManV | for some reason or another |
| 05:07.37 | JManV | possibly a property on the unit? |
| 05:08.14 | Skittles | cool under a lake I found a secret path to a cave |
| 05:08.20 | JManV | is the placement for it showing up? |
| 05:08.30 | XenoX101_a | yeah |
| 05:08.36 | XenoX101_a | I can place it and it builds |
| 05:08.40 | XenoX101_a | and the probe does its thing on it |
| 05:08.46 | Skittles | has a rather long water fall too |
| 05:08.49 | XenoX101_a | it just doesnt show any actors |
| 05:08.51 | JManV | but no warp animation |
| 05:08.59 | XenoX101_a | yeah |
| 05:09.02 | JManV | the building doesn't show up? |
| 05:09.06 | XenoX101_a | it does |
| 05:09.09 | XenoX101_a | and I checked their actors compared to mine |
| 05:09.09 | JManV | ok |
| 05:09.14 | XenoX101_a | no go |
| 05:09.27 | XenoX101_a | I have a feeling you might be on to something though |
| 05:09.39 | XenoX101_a | the original buildings have birth animations |
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| 05:09.42 | XenoX101_a | so it might be trying to do those |
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| 05:10.00 | Skittles | yay after hourso f lookign i found some lava |
| 05:10.04 | JManV | is it playing the sound? |
| 05:10.08 | XenoX101_a | nothing |
| 05:10.16 | Skizot | i don't think he did progammer |
| 05:10.16 | JManV | obelisk has a birth model |
| 05:10.25 | XenoX101_a | its not the default obelsik |
| 05:10.27 | XenoX101_a | obelisk |
| 05:10.28 | XenoX101_a | its a doodad |
| 05:10.33 | XenoX101_a | model |
| 05:10.52 | JManV | you made it a doodad? |
| 05:10.59 | JManV | and you're trying to construct a doodad? |
| 05:11.03 | XenoX101_a | no its a building |
| 05:11.05 | XenoX101_a | by all counts |
| 05:11.09 | JManV | ok |
| 05:11.09 | XenoX101_a | but the model is |
| 05:11.11 | XenoX101_a | from a doodad |
| 05:11.24 | XenoX101_a | so it doesn't have birth anim |
| 05:11.31 | Xapti | wingednosering come on here at all? uses a different name? |
| 05:12.29 | progammer | Xapti: not sure, pm him on mapster for a name :P |
| 05:13.03 | JManV | what does the doodad look like? |
| 05:13.12 | XenoX101_a | its xelnaga hull wall 01 |
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| 05:13.31 | XenoX101_a | the one with the spike |
| 05:13.34 | JManV | oh |
| 05:13.39 | JManV | you changed it |
| 05:13.40 | JManV | i see |
| 05:14.04 | JManV | well, when i play protossbuild.m3 in the previewer, i don't see anything |
| 05:14.08 | JManV | but i do hear the sound |
| 05:14.38 | JManV | nvm |
| 05:14.39 | XenoX101_a | yeah its the stand build start anim |
| 05:14.42 | JManV | i don't hear a sound |
| 05:14.42 | XenoX101_a | that has an image |
| 05:15.01 | JManV | did you check it in the previewer? |
| 05:15.07 | XenoX101 | ya |
| 05:15.14 | JManV | hmmm |
| 05:15.18 | JManV | why can't i see it? |
| 05:15.37 | JManV | i can preview everything else |
| 05:16.00 | XenoX101 | sure you changed anim to "stand build start"/ |
| 05:16.02 | XenoX101 | ?* |
| 05:16.34 | JManV | oh ok |
| 05:17.07 | Skizot | :/ |
| 05:17.15 | JManV | maybe give it a birth model? |
| 05:17.21 | JManV | just to see |
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| 05:17.27 | XenoX101 | dont know how to do that |
| 05:17.34 | JManV | at the actor |
| 05:17.41 | JManV | you can assign a model (birth) |
| 05:17.56 | JManV | er, actor - model (build) |
| 05:18.07 | JManV | maybe even make it the same model? |
| 05:18.13 | XenoX101 | ah yeah |
| 05:18.24 | JManV | and if that doesn't work, try a real birth animation |
| 05:18.41 | JManV | you said the placement for it works? |
| 05:19.00 | JManV | do you have anything in actor - model (placement) |
| 05:19.29 | XenoX101 | wtf now my conjurer is missing his build icon |
| 05:19.36 | XenoX101 | yes I do, the obelisk |
| 05:20.21 | XenoX101 | ok the art - model (build) fixed the animation |
| 05:20.25 | XenoX101 | but not the sound |
| 05:20.27 | JManV | ok |
| 05:20.33 | JManV | hmmm |
| 05:20.41 | JManV | the sound should be part of it |
| 05:20.51 | JManV | maybe there's a seperate sound actor? |
| 05:21.17 | JManV | yeah, i don't hear the soudn in the previewer |
| 05:22.32 | XenoX101 | yeah there is a seperate actor but I duplicated that too |
| 05:23.15 | JManV | the events and actions are right? |
| 05:23.29 | XenoX101 | yeah it only has two |
| 05:23.33 | XenoX101 | but they are correct |
| 05:24.05 | JManV | which one did you copy? |
| 05:24.33 | XenoX101 | I mean two events |
| 05:24.39 | XenoX101 | which are still there since I duplicated |
| 05:24.45 | XenoX101 | and I switched their build ability to mine |
| 05:24.51 | XenoX101 | as I did with the other actors |
| 05:26.51 | JManV | hmmm |
| 05:30.00 | JManV | i haven't played much with sound actors |
| 05:30.48 | XenoX101 | well I just deleted some construction actors and they do indeed remove the building animation |
| 05:30.52 | XenoX101 | so I know at least they are working |
| 05:32.01 | XenoX101 | well the main (construction) is |
| 05:32.05 | XenoX101 | main one* |
| 05:33.48 | XenoX101 | I must be missing something |
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| 05:36.39 | Bounty | >< |
| 05:38.16 | XenoX101 | why do they have to make this so difficult |
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| 05:46.41 | Shawn|Rawr | progammer |
| 05:48.36 | progammer | Shawn|Rawr: ? |
| 05:48.51 | JManV | JManV? |
| 05:48.52 | Shawn|Rawr | You should fix the gamespot news.. it says gamepost |
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| 05:49.33 | Shawn|Rawr | I tied to tell you before but you werent on irc |
| 05:51.50 | Bounty | Jman |
| 05:51.53 | Bounty | log on :) |
| 05:51.55 | Bounty | we are testing lol |
| 05:51.59 | Bounty | u to progammer! |
| 05:52.02 | Bounty | only need 2 more peeps |
| 05:52.02 | JManV | busy sorry |
| 05:52.37 | progammer | Bounty: not bnet now sorry |
| 05:52.45 | Bounty | damnit |
| 05:52.51 | progammer | Shawn|Rawr: fixed |
| 05:53.02 | Shawn|Rawr | Thanks. My OCD can take it easy now |
| 05:56.25 | XenoX101 | omg |
| 05:56.27 | XenoX101 | JManV |
| 05:56.29 | XenoX101 | I found the problem! |
| 05:56.34 | XenoX101 | haha |
| 05:56.42 | XenoX101 | it is so silly too |
| 05:56.44 | XenoX101 | (it always is though) |
| 05:57.21 | XenoX101 | my map is zoomed out |
| 05:57.33 | XenoX101 | so the sounds need to be on 2D in order for them to work |
| 05:58.04 | JManV | oh, that's right |
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| 06:00.54 | XenoX101 | I really need to find a way to loop through all the sounds |
| 06:00.57 | XenoX101 | and set them to 2D |
| 06:00.59 | XenoX101 | or something |
| 06:00.59 | DarkRevenant | good that the forums Map Reviews and Map Feedback are split |
| 06:01.01 | DarkRevenant | or no? |
| 06:01.45 | XenoX101 | probably not |
| 06:01.48 | XenoX101 | they don't get much traffic as it is |
| 06:02.04 | XenoX101 | actually wait |
| 06:02.08 | XenoX101 | they are two different things |
| 06:02.11 | progammer | DarkRevenant: feedback is on the project map itself ? |
| 06:02.15 | XenoX101 | map feedback is personal |
| 06:02.18 | XenoX101 | map review is general |
| 06:02.44 | XenoX101 | and feedback is a request forum |
| 06:02.53 | DarkRevenant | feedback is request, review is spontaneous |
| 06:04.12 | XenoX101 | I thought of a great way to publish maps and stop them from getting popular |
| 06:04.35 | XenoX101 | remove victory condition and create some super imba unit that spoils the map |
| 06:04.41 | XenoX101 | then just test the rest of the map with your friends ;p |
| 06:06.03 | XenoX101 | you know what would be funny, if you implemented a cheat code that you only knew (naturally) which you used whenever you played the game |
| 06:06.25 | XenoX101 | actually that would be very cruel and unfair |
| 06:06.28 | XenoX101 | but still! ;p |
| 06:07.24 | JManV | dammit! stupid getting stuck in drag mode! |
| 06:09.31 | JManV | haha he's doing it again |
| 06:10.00 | JManV | HuK just stopped a Zerg FE with cannons |
| 06:10.04 | JManV | this time the player just quit |
| 06:10.32 | JManV | i love it |
| 06:10.36 | onetwo | k Rodrigo |
| 06:10.38 | JManV | he doesn't even bother with the main |
| 06:10.38 | onetwo | just played a game |
| 06:10.41 | onetwo | won as cops in 20 mins |
| 06:10.42 | JManV | he just punishes the FE |
| 06:10.43 | onetwo | didnt even try |
| 06:10.56 | onetwo | im willing to guess were just experienced and most people suck |
| 06:11.00 | onetwo | so we influence our own games too mucj |
| 06:11.02 | onetwo | much |
| 06:12.01 | JManV | balance complaints? |
| 06:13.56 | XenoX101 | damnit, another problem, getting a second actor to generate with the birth animation |
| 06:16.00 | XenoX101 | nvm got it lol |
| 06:16.56 | onetwo | well all day playing my map |
| 06:17.11 | Bounty | I got some news for you guys |
| 06:17.11 | onetwo | as prisoner, i had a hard time even getting close to winningand im usually heavily influencing games in my favor |
| 06:17.15 | Bounty | Apparently |
| 06:17.20 | onetwo | but then rodrigo tells me he won easily 4 times |
| 06:17.25 | onetwo | as prisoner |
| 06:17.25 | Bounty | Unit attached to region takes damage |
| 06:17.25 | onetwo | so im like wtf |
| 06:17.26 | Bounty | fires for EVERY unit |
| 06:17.28 | Bounty | on the fucking map |
| 06:17.34 | onetwo | lol |
| 06:17.41 | Bounty | like wtf? |
| 06:17.43 | Bounty | explain that to me |
| 06:17.44 | Bounty | and |
| 06:17.48 | Bounty | if u use unit takes damage |
| 06:17.51 | Bounty | and the unit is a variable |
| 06:17.55 | Bounty | it does the same thing! |
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| 06:20.45 | onetwo | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:20.48 | onetwo | that you msged me earlier about |
| 06:20.51 | onetwo | i forget now :( |
| 06:23.49 | JManV | do you have a forum for the players to say how they feel about the balance? |
| 06:24.24 | onetwo | nope, the games only been popular since 2 nights ago |
| 06:24.28 | onetwo | and it could disappear on tuesday |
| 06:24.29 | onetwo | lol |
| 06:24.33 | JManV | fair enough |
| 06:24.37 | Bounty | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:24.39 | Bounty | why the FUCK |
| 06:24.41 | Bounty | is that firing |
| 06:24.44 | Bounty | for 14 diff units |
| 06:24.47 | onetwo | dont do that |
| 06:24.48 | JManV | might want to throw one up somewhere |
| 06:24.51 | onetwo | leave it as any unit |
| 06:24.54 | onetwo | and make a condition |
| 06:24.57 | Bounty | no |
| 06:24.57 | onetwo | to check its attached to P5 |
| 06:24.58 | Bounty | i cant |
| 06:25.00 | Bounty | thats the problem |
| 06:25.01 | Bounty | lol |
| 06:25.07 | onetwo | well doing an event like that is also a problem |
| 06:25.08 | onetwo | lol |
| 06:25.12 | Bounty | then why is it there? |
| 06:25.17 | Bounty | if it doesnt even work |
| 06:25.18 | Skittles | lol making a huge mine trck |
| 06:25.20 | onetwo | im guessing for diff reasons |
| 06:25.20 | Skittles | track |
| 06:25.29 | Skittles | it's already 4x 64 long and can't c the destination |
| 06:26.18 | Skittles | not sure if im going the right way anymore. lol |
| 06:26.29 | Skittles | probably should of thought it through a bit more.. XD |
| 06:26.32 | JManV | i have no idea what unit attached to region actually does |
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| 06:26.53 | JManV | doesn't seem like what you're trying to do |
| 06:27.05 | XenoX101 | hm, does anyone know how I might be able to stop the model (birth) of the obelisk from playing its end animation on birth? |
| 06:27.15 | XenoX101 | err, on finalizing? |
| 06:27.21 | JManV | what you need is an event that's tied to the effect somehow, not the caster |
| 06:27.25 | JManV | er, damagee |
| 06:27.33 | XenoX101 | like you know how there is an end animation for the warp in of a building |
| 06:27.36 | XenoX101 | I want to stop that end animation |
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| 06:28.57 | JManV | onetwo: do you know of a way to get the target from an "effect is fired" trigger? |
| 06:29.13 | JManV | effect used rather |
| 06:29.23 | Skittles | lmao |
| 06:29.27 | Skittles | I went totally the wrong way |
| 06:29.37 | onetwo | isnt there a thing for it? |
| 06:29.38 | onetwo | like |
| 06:29.41 | Skittles | 4x64 mine track and I went the opposite direction |
| 06:29.42 | onetwo | triggering unit of efffect |
| 06:29.44 | onetwo | random thing like that |
| 06:29.51 | JManV | not that i found |
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| 06:30.29 | onetwo | oh |
| 06:30.31 | JManV | there's triggering effect unit |
| 06:30.32 | onetwo | then maybe no? |
| 06:30.35 | onetwo | oh? |
| 06:30.35 | JManV | but im not sure |
| 06:30.40 | JManV | maybe? |
| 06:30.45 | onetwo | not sure >< |
| 06:31.01 | Keldirf | yeah it works |
| 06:31.07 | JManV | i guess that would be the target, wouldn't it |
| 06:31.22 | Keldirf | that how i attach text tags in star lightbikes |
| 06:31.26 | JManV | cuz if it were like a search area, it would prolly return the center point unit |
| 06:32.03 | JManV | that's a big change tho... bounty won't like it :P |
| 06:32.16 | Skittles | agouti |
| 06:32.29 | Skittles | I was totally ignored. =( |
| 06:32.31 | Keldirf | when you pick up the energy recharge it attached the score text tag to the triggering effect unit |
| 06:33.15 | JManV | so you're saying this is rigth keldirt? |
| 06:33.17 | JManV | f |
| 06:33.28 | JManV | triggering effect unit |
| 06:33.31 | JManV | is target? |
| 06:33.50 | Keldirf | its works in my map |
| 06:34.02 | JManV | bounty |
| 06:34.06 | Bounty | ? |
| 06:34.13 | JManV | here's what could work |
| 06:34.18 | JManV | bear with me |
| 06:34.23 | Bounty | lol |
| 06:34.24 | Bounty | oh lord |
| 06:34.28 | JManV | your damage effect becomes two effects |
| 06:34.33 | JManV | one that searches area |
| 06:34.39 | JManV | another that applies damage |
| 06:34.47 | JManV | and you want to trigger on the second effect |
| 06:35.01 | JManV | in that trigger, "triggering effect unit" is the unit receiving damage |
| 06:35.25 | JManV | and you would want one trigger per effect |
| 06:35.34 | JManV | so you know what effect it is |
| 06:35.45 | JManV | effect "blah blah" used |
| 06:35.53 | JManV | so no conditions |
| 06:36.05 | JManV | except maybe the distance check |
| 06:36.18 | JManV | this means: 1) you're not triggering off damage |
| 06:36.28 | JManV | 2) there are significantly less conditions |
| 06:36.33 | Bounty | well |
| 06:36.38 | JManV | and 3) only the code that needs to run is ran |
| 06:36.38 | Keldirf | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:36.39 | Bounty | im making new triggers as we speak actually |
| 06:36.42 | Bounty | for each eeffect |
| 06:36.46 | Keldirf | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:36.59 | JManV | but bounty |
| 06:37.01 | Bounty | no conditions at all :) |
| 06:37.06 | JManV | you need two effects |
| 06:37.22 | JManV | that damage effect you have now could have multiple targets |
| 06:37.32 | JManV | and triggering effect unit will return the caster |
| 06:37.45 | JManV | so you need the search area that picks a new target |
| 06:37.54 | Bounty | im not sure i understand |
| 06:37.56 | JManV | and then the second effect has the proper target |
| 06:37.57 | Bounty | multiple targets? |
| 06:38.03 | Bounty | u mean the aoe attacks? |
| 06:38.04 | Bounty | they work |
| 06:38.08 | JManV | any search area can have more than one target |
| 06:38.18 | Bounty | the triggers work for that |
| 06:38.24 | Bounty | like if its an aoe knockback |
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| 06:38.27 | Bounty | etc |
| 06:38.40 | JManV | bu |
| 06:38.41 | JManV | t |
| 06:38.52 | JManV | when you create the effect |
| 06:39.03 | JManV | what unit are you doing it from? |
| 06:39.07 | JManV | the caster, right? |
| 06:39.13 | Bounty | yeah |
| 06:39.16 | JManV | that's what "triggering effect unit" will return |
| 06:39.28 | JManV | because that's the "target" of that effect |
| 06:39.39 | JManV | even tho that target gets displaced |
| 06:39.51 | JManV | make sense? |
| 06:39.52 | Bounty | ur making no sense :) |
| 06:39.54 | Bounty | no |
| 06:39.55 | Bounty | lolol |
| 06:40.06 | Bounty | ok |
| 06:40.08 | Bounty | the unit that take sthe dmg |
| 06:40.09 | JManV | the target of the effect is actually the caster |
| 06:40.12 | Bounty | thats what triggering effect unit |
| 06:40.14 | Bounty | would return? |
| 06:40.24 | Bounty | no |
| 06:40.28 | Bounty | the target of the effect |
| 06:40.30 | Bounty | is a point |
| 06:40.32 | Bounty | remember? |
| 06:40.40 | JManV | then it might return no unit at all |
| 06:40.45 | JManV | that's the problem |
| 06:40.49 | JManV | but a search area effect |
| 06:41.03 | JManV | will search an area, pick targets, and apply an effect to them |
| 06:41.12 | JManV | a new damage effect |
| 06:41.22 | JManV | that actually has the proper target as its target |
| 06:41.35 | JManV | the one receiving damage |
| 06:41.48 | JManV | making more sense? |
| 06:42.19 | Bounty | i guess so yeah |
| 06:42.31 | JManV | it's a little unfortunate that you have to do that |
| 06:42.39 | JManV | but the search area effects are easy to set up |
| 06:42.46 | JManV | you basically set it up like you had your damage |
| 06:42.56 | JManV | but you do the search and the damage in seperate effects |
| 06:43.06 | Bounty | i might not even have to do what your saying |
| 06:43.09 | Bounty | if what im doing right now works |
| 06:43.14 | Bounty | which i think we just found out the supreme cause |
| 06:43.17 | Bounty | so it should |
| 06:43.20 | Bounty | in theory >< |
| 06:43.21 | JManV | good luck with that :) |
| 06:43.32 | Bounty | that little mess up i just had |
| 06:43.34 | JManV | supreme cause? |
| 06:43.36 | Bounty | created a huge bug |
| 06:43.41 | Bounty | that everytime u hit someone |
| 06:43.45 | Bounty | it fired 14 triggers lol |
| 06:43.51 | JManV | oh |
| 06:43.53 | JManV | that's bad |
| 06:43.54 | Bounty | it was SUPPOSE to be 14 triggers |
| 06:43.57 | Bounty | 1 per player |
| 06:44.00 | Bounty | but it didnt work that why |
| 06:44.04 | Bounty | thing is |
| 06:44.07 | Bounty | and ur gonna love this |
| 06:44.11 | Bounty | it didnt lag when u hit someone |
| 06:44.11 | JManV | is that new? |
| 06:44.14 | JManV | 14 triggers? |
| 06:44.19 | Bounty | 14 triggers firing at once |
| 06:44.21 | Bounty | per hit |
| 06:44.23 | Bounty | didnt lag |
| 06:44.25 | Bounty | UNTIL |
| 06:44.31 | Bounty | lots of ppl were getting hit |
| 06:44.33 | Bounty | so |
| 06:44.42 | Bounty | i am splitting up each damage effect into its own trigger |
| 06:44.46 | Bounty | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:44.51 | Bounty | will have its own private trigger |
| 06:45.01 | JManV | holy shit |
| 06:45.06 | JManV | there's an effect clause? |
| 06:45.17 | Bounty | yeah |
| 06:45.19 | JManV | then nevermind all that shit |
| 06:45.20 | JManV | do that |
| 06:45.24 | Bounty | yeah |
| 06:45.25 | Bounty | the fact that |
| 06:45.27 | Bounty | fucking |
| 06:45.30 | JManV | i didn't realize |
| 06:45.30 | Bounty | 14 triggers firing at once |
| 06:45.32 | Bounty | didnt lag |
| 06:45.33 | Bounty | means |
| 06:45.38 | Bounty | triggers have limits by themselves lol |
| 06:45.41 | Bounty | and THATS the problem |
| 06:45.46 | onetwo | ah so that idea does work |
| 06:45.49 | onetwo | just splitting up triggers |
| 06:45.52 | Bounty | which kind of defies what everyone says |
| 06:45.59 | Bounty | everyone says cram them into one |
| 06:46.04 | onetwo | i suggested to try splitting |
| 06:46.04 | Bounty | apparently not :) |
| 06:46.05 | onetwo | lol |
| 06:46.12 | Bounty | well |
| 06:46.14 | Bounty | it still didnt work yet |
| 06:46.16 | Bounty | im still doing it |
| 06:46.17 | Bounty | :) |
| 06:46.25 | Bounty | u should have soon it though Jman |
| 06:46.26 | onetwo | oh lol |
| 06:46.28 | Bounty | u really should have came |
| 06:46.30 | Bounty | the bug was hillarious |
| 06:46.38 | Bounty | instead of popping up with 10 dmg over their head when u hit someone |
| 06:46.43 | Bounty | it would have like 30 10's |
| 06:46.44 | Bounty | AND |
| 06:46.47 | Bounty | if u hit someone with knockback |
| 06:46.52 | Bounty | they flew across the fucking entire map |
| 06:46.57 | JManV | heh |
| 06:46.58 | Bounty | bc it would hit them with knockback x14 |
| 06:46.59 | Bounty | lol |
| 06:47.47 | onetwo | do you think when marketplace releases, blizz's slogan will be 'there's a map for that' |
| 06:47.48 | JManV | bounty: the decision to split something up or keep it together isn't as arbitrary as you make it |
| 06:47.49 | onetwo | a play on app for that |
| 06:48.32 | JManV | up to a certain point, everything you do should be was easiest for you, both now and in the future (because you will always change something, and that shouldn't be too difficult) |
| 06:48.54 | JManV | when they say "keep it together", they're trying to make it easier |
| 06:48.56 | JManV | both now |
| 06:49.01 | JManV | and when you have to change something |
| 06:49.03 | Keldirf | gtg nice to meet you all |
| 06:49.05 | Bounty | well |
| 06:49.12 | Bounty | some ppl say its more efficient |
| 06:49.15 | Bounty | code wise |
| 06:49.25 | JManV | but, that "up until a certain point" is when time or some other resource becomes a factor |
| 06:49.28 | Bounty | but i guess when u have something firing this much |
| 06:49.32 | Bounty | splitting is best |
| 06:49.42 | JManV | that's the exception, not the rule |
| 06:50.14 | JManV | once you reached that point, then you have to meet the computer's demands |
| 06:50.21 | JManV | however strange they may be |
| 06:50.38 | JManV | and it usually resorts in really ugly code that is hard to maintain |
| 06:50.43 | JManV | but it's what's necessary |
| 06:50.55 | JManV | but the rest of the time, you should be thinking about organization |
| 06:51.24 | JManV | and 1 trigger is a lot more organized than 14 |
| 06:51.28 | JManV | but |
| 06:51.34 | JManV | you're dealing with the exception |
| 06:51.43 | JManV | milliseconds are critical |
| 06:52.20 | Bounty | actually |
| 06:52.22 | Bounty | the way i have it |
| 06:52.25 | Bounty | its pretty clean imo |
| 06:52.28 | Bounty | each class has its own folder |
| 06:52.32 | XenoX101 | sweet |
| 06:52.34 | Bounty | with 3 triggers |
| 06:52.37 | XenoX101 | things are looking up for me |
| 06:52.39 | XenoX101 | for once lol |
| 06:52.42 | Bounty | containing the 3 damaging effects for that class |
| 06:52.52 | JManV | the problem is when you have to change something, you have to change multiple things |
| 06:53.05 | JManV | which can generate error if you miss something |
| 06:53.06 | XenoX101 | SupporterDestruction is a great event btw |
| 06:53.06 | Bounty | how? |
| 06:53.11 | XenoX101 | highly recommend it for chaining actors |
| 06:53.13 | Bounty | i cant think of a moment with this |
| 06:53.19 | XenoX101 | just use ::Creator for host supportor |
| 06:53.20 | Bounty | that i would need to change one thing and end up needing to do multiple |
| 06:53.37 | XenoX101 | and on the creator do ActorCreation - Create [youractorhere] |
| 06:53.40 | JManV | no, this is a pretty good case |
| 06:53.54 | JManV | but you're still breaking a few "good progamming" rules |
| 06:54.01 | JManV | but you do so because you must |
| 06:54.05 | JManV | which is ok |
| 06:54.28 | JManV | but it may not have long term consequences |
| 06:54.41 | onetwo | F lol, rodrigo tells me putting game messages to chat area is bad |
| 06:54.44 | onetwo | but theres no where else |
| 06:54.47 | onetwo | to put them in |
| 06:54.47 | JManV | but i've had just about every kind of bad code bite me in the ass in the past |
| 06:54.52 | JManV | since my job is programming |
| 06:55.01 | JManV | you learn from those mistakes |
| 06:55.14 | onetwo | directive stays on permanently, debug area ends up covering chat area if message is too long, objective area is over my objectives |
| 06:55.17 | onetwo | cheat and warning dont work |
| 06:55.26 | Bounty | use a wait time onetwo |
| 06:55.29 | onetwo | :/ |
| 06:55.32 | Bounty | for directive |
| 06:55.33 | Bounty | and clear it |
| 06:55.34 | onetwo | i have like 20 diff messages |
| 06:55.37 | onetwo | going to diff players |
| 06:55.40 | onetwo | id have to make a method |
| 06:55.43 | onetwo | and add it after each one |
| 06:55.45 | onetwo | lol |
| 06:55.49 | onetwo | let me try error area |
| 06:55.56 | Bounty | well |
| 06:56.00 | Bounty | i do a countdown in directive |
| 06:56.06 | Bounty | for a player when he dies |
| 06:56.11 | Bounty | idk if thats the same thing that ur trying to do |
| 06:56.35 | JManV | there's always dialogs too |
| 06:56.59 | onetwo | i was hoping to just find a nice area |
| 06:57.02 | onetwo | to display a message |
| 06:57.03 | onetwo | that isnt in chat |
| 06:57.04 | onetwo | guess not |
| 06:57.13 | JManV | there's not a lot going around |
| 06:57.23 | onetwo | directive would be perfect if it faded out and could have > 1 |
| 06:57.36 | onetwo | at a time |
| 06:57.57 | JManV | that's prolly why most people use char |
| 06:57.58 | JManV | chat |
| 06:58.32 | onetwo | yeah i think i might have to leave it |
| 06:58.38 | onetwo | and just add more sounds |
| 06:58.41 | onetwo | to define certain deaths |
| 06:58.43 | onetwo | eg cop vs prisoner |
| 06:58.50 | JManV | you could manage the directive area with a little bit of code |
| 06:58.57 | JManV | still be easier than a dialog |
| 06:59.30 | onetwo | yeah |
| 06:59.48 | JManV | cuz you'd basically have to manage the dialog with the same code :P |
| 07:00.03 | onetwo | lol yeah |
| 07:00.05 | JManV | and you said the directive area is perfect |
| 07:00.27 | onetwo | except i dont think dialogs can center text? |
| 07:00.36 | JManV | they can |
| 07:00.46 | JManV | you can't use inline style for centering |
| 07:00.55 | JManV | you have to apply the style to the dialog item itself |
| 07:01.08 | Bounty | i hope my maps thread in PW stays bumped 2night |
| 07:01.12 | JManV | then it works |
| 07:01.12 | Bounty | so it has a chance at news 2morrow lol |
| 07:01.21 | Bounty | btw JMan |
| 07:01.35 | Bounty | i dont think i ever got a chance to ask you what you thought of the map so far |
| 07:01.39 | Bounty | besides that little issue lol |
| 07:01.45 | JManV | it's pretty cool |
| 07:01.54 | JManV | the guardians are too strong |
| 07:02.08 | Bounty | atm the summoners are the only OP npc's |
| 07:02.09 | JManV | they always kill me in like 3 hits |
| 07:02.12 | Bounty | i assume thats who ur talking about? |
| 07:02.26 | JManV | not sure |
| 07:02.32 | JManV | the dude on the lava killed me hella quick |
| 07:02.36 | Bounty | yeah |
| 07:02.38 | Bounty | thats the one |
| 07:02.41 | Bounty | knockback into lava |
| 07:02.43 | Bounty | lolol |
| 07:02.44 | JManV | the guy in the base wasn't much weaker |
| 07:02.47 | Bounty | i thought it was a good idea :) |
| 07:02.56 | Bounty | well u need a group |
| 07:03.05 | JManV | even then |
| 07:03.05 | Bounty | they are harder depending on the number of players on ur team |
| 07:03.09 | JManV | they do too much damage |
| 07:03.13 | Bounty | they do 15 dmg |
| 07:03.25 | JManV | i thought at least |
| 07:03.39 | JManV | i barely got a swipe or two in |
| 07:03.40 | JManV | dead |
| 07:03.48 | JManV | players couldn't kill me that easy |
| 07:03.59 | Bounty | well that are major points |
| 07:04.03 | Bounty | they* |
| 07:04.11 | JManV | no, i'm with you |
| 07:04.16 | Bounty | and im with u |
| 07:04.17 | JManV | so they should have lots of hit points |
| 07:04.19 | Bounty | on the summoner thing |
| 07:04.22 | JManV | so it takes a while |
| 07:04.33 | JManV | and they should still do decent damage |
| 07:04.37 | Bounty | their hitpoints are multiplied by the number of players on your team |
| 07:04.48 | JManV | that's good |
| 07:04.52 | JManV | it should take a while |
| 07:05.00 | JManV | it's like the guys in the base |
| 07:05.05 | JManV | they should have to be defended |
| 07:05.22 | Bounty | well they should be defended lol |
| 07:05.26 | JManV | as you have it, if you defend them, they're pretty much unbeatable |
| 07:05.28 | Bounty | but alot of ppl dont |
| 07:05.42 | JManV | that's a little on the strong end |
| 07:05.57 | Bounty | most ppl complain about the guys in the base being to weak |
| 07:05.57 | JManV | but, i'm prolly not your target audience anyways |
| 07:06.03 | JManV | yeah? |
| 07:06.07 | Bounty | yeah lol |
| 07:06.09 | Bounty | they say its to easy |
| 07:06.10 | JManV | i didn't interact with them too much |
| 07:06.13 | Bounty | and should be an achievement |
| 07:06.24 | Bounty | kinda like the summoners |
| 07:06.24 | JManV | maybe they need more HP? |
| 07:06.30 | Bounty | prolly |
| 07:06.38 | JManV | see, that i did |
| 07:06.40 | JManV | dig |
| 07:06.48 | JManV | because it give you time to go and protect them |
| 07:06.50 | Bounty | the game will be alot easier when i have the noobie dialog at the start |
| 07:06.54 | Bounty | explaining what everything does |
| 07:07.10 | Bounty | yeah |
| 07:07.11 | Bounty | like |
| 07:07.19 | Bounty | obviously the Overlords have the most hp |
| 07:07.23 | Bounty | and it gives ur team an alert |
| 07:07.25 | JManV | but if you ignore a point being attacked, of course it should be overrun |
| 07:07.26 | Bounty | when they are under attack |
| 07:08.01 | JManV | yeah |
| 07:08.14 | Bounty | and i have it so it doesnt spam |
| 07:08.15 | Bounty | like |
| 07:08.17 | Bounty | overlord gets hit |
| 07:08.22 | Bounty | says to your team that hes under attack |
| 07:08.31 | Bounty | and turns off the trigger, waits x amount of time and turns it back on |
| 07:08.36 | JManV | cool |
| 07:08.38 | Bounty | simple crap |
| 07:08.38 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:08.54 | JManV | the devil's in the details |
| 07:09.08 | Bounty | yeah well thats a problem atm |
| 07:09.13 | Bounty | when it comes down to thedetails |
| 07:09.14 | JManV | it always it |
| 07:09.16 | JManV | is |
| 07:09.16 | Bounty | NONE of my testers |
| 07:09.17 | Bounty | agree |
| 07:09.21 | Bounty | on jack shit |
| 07:09.26 | Bounty | some want leveling |
| 07:09.28 | Bounty | some dont |
| 07:09.30 | Bounty | the ppl that want leveling |
| 07:09.34 | JManV | well, they are your details |
| 07:09.35 | Bounty | want a diff leveling system from everyone else |
| 07:09.43 | Bounty | yeah but i need a target lol |
| 07:09.50 | Bounty | im not aiming for TOP battlenet map |
| 07:09.51 | JManV | it's the attention to detail that will get noticed, not necessarily what those details are |
| 07:09.52 | Bounty | but i need something |
| 07:10.15 | Bounty | idk man |
| 07:10.22 | JManV | to some degree |
| 07:10.25 | Bounty | Doodad Hunt made me not trust ppl alot lol |
| 07:10.28 | Bounty | like |
| 07:10.31 | JManV | obviously, you can't polish a turd |
| 07:10.33 | Bounty | the harder u work on something |
| 07:10.37 | Bounty | the less it will be noticed |
| 07:10.45 | Bounty | thats how i feel after making Doodad Hunt >< |
| 07:11.12 | Bounty | actually JMan |
| 07:11.15 | Bounty | on Mythbusters |
| 07:11.23 | JManV | did they polish a turd? |
| 07:11.24 | Bounty | they busted that |
| 07:11.27 | Bounty | you can polish a turd |
| 07:11.28 | Bounty | yeah |
| 07:11.28 | JManV | omg |
| 07:11.30 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:11.34 | JManV | ofc they would |
| 07:11.38 | JManV | and ofc you can |
| 07:11.44 | JManV | but it doesn't do any good |
| 07:11.49 | Bounty | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiJ9fy1qSFI |
| 07:11.52 | Bounty | rofl |
| 07:11.53 | JManV | it's still just a polished turd |
| 07:12.08 | JManV | at the root of that is fecal matter |
| 07:12.16 | Bounty | but its so purty |
| 07:15.12 | JManV | why can't they say turd? |
| 07:15.19 | Bounty | no idea |
| 07:15.35 | JManV | they can say poop but not turd? |
| 07:15.42 | JManV | aren't they basically the same word? |
| 07:15.46 | Bounty | yeah |
| 07:15.52 | Bounty | i guess they prefer poop over turd |
| 07:16.12 | JManV | i don't care what he did with it, why is he handling it with his bare hands? |
| 07:16.22 | Bounty | bc its purty |
| 07:16.40 | JManV | it's still turd! |
| 07:16.47 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:16.48 | Bounty | agreed |
| 07:16.52 | JManV | it's still littered with bacteria |
| 07:17.08 | Skittles | how do i changed the texture of something? |
| 07:17.18 | JManV | very carefully? |
| 07:17.30 | Skittles | serious |
| 07:17.33 | Skittles | be be serious |
| 07:17.33 | JManV | sorry, i don't know |
| 07:17.38 | Skittles | =( |
| 07:17.55 | JManV | did you search? |
| 07:18.10 | Skittles | kinda |
| 07:18.34 | JManV | i've seen how to do the terrain textures before |
| 07:18.52 | JManV | dunno how it works with models |
| 07:19.01 | Bounty | terrain textures is easy |
| 07:19.03 | Bounty | even i can do that |
| 07:22.17 | Skittles | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/general/general-chat/13581-sot-is-unlocked/ |
| 07:22.19 | Skittles | lol |
| 07:22.25 | Skittles | read the responses |
| 07:22.39 | Bounty | which ones? |
| 07:22.41 | onetwo | ? |
| 07:22.43 | Bounty | its like a 30 page thread |
| 07:22.44 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:22.59 | onetwo | lol this is back when the community was booming |
| 07:23.22 | onetwo | brb testing |
| 07:23.28 | Skittles | lol |
| 07:23.45 | Skittles | just how sixen and other moderators are approving of unlocking maps |
| 07:24.10 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:24.11 | Bounty | yeah |
| 07:24.15 | Bounty | that never made sense to me |
| 07:24.23 | Bounty | i expected the thread to get deleted |
| 07:26.05 | JManV | yeah, map unlocking is dirty pool |
| 07:27.38 | Skittles | blizzard was kind enough to provide a unlock and lock button when publishing a map. I wonder why? lol |
| 07:28.12 | JManV | for a lot of good reasons |
| 07:28.30 | JManV | i'm with onetwo. bank protection is the most important |
| 07:29.13 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:29.14 | JManV | but obviously people also shouldn't be stealing maps, etc |
| 07:29.15 | Bounty | how do you figure? |
| 07:29.25 | Bounty | u would rather protect your bank then your entire map? |
| 07:29.50 | Skittles | if u unlock all the triggers u would know even more about how to edit a bank, also you could host a different version with w/e u wanted to give ur self |
| 07:29.52 | JManV | to some degree, yes |
| 07:31.18 | JManV | i just detest cheating |
| 07:31.28 | JManV | stealing isn't any better tho |
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| 07:33.19 | Skittles | do u pirate stuff? |
| 07:33.19 | Skittles | lol |
| 07:33.22 | JManV | man, i haven't done anything with my map today |
| 07:33.30 | Skittles | noo |
| 07:33.32 | Skittles | whyz not |
| 07:33.39 | Skittles | <-- hasn't done much on his own map today |
| 07:33.48 | JManV | i totally do |
| 07:33.50 | Skittles | <-- slacking off making a PoC now |
| 07:34.01 | Skittles | which btw |
| 07:34.08 | Skittles | generated the whole floor and no lag at all |
| 07:34.16 | Skittles | didn't even have lag on the initial creation of it all |
| 07:34.21 | Skittles | really weird stuff. |
| 07:34.39 | Skittles | 52x52 map |
| 07:34.53 | Skittles | 56x56 actually |
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| 07:35.33 | JManV | PoC? |
| 07:36.17 | Skittles | proof of concept |
| 07:36.23 | onetwo | people hacking my rpgs bank will be bad |
| 07:36.29 | onetwo | especially if my rpg beccomes 99 cents |
| 07:36.33 | onetwo | i have a lot more pressure |
| 07:36.35 | onetwo | for user experience |
| 07:36.44 | onetwo | just an ex |
| 07:37.05 | Skittles | u know the next patch improves banking right? |
| 07:37.11 | JManV | slightly |
| 07:37.15 | Skittles | signature |
| 07:37.16 | Skittles | w/e that is |
| 07:37.17 | Skittles | lol |
| 07:37.24 | JManV | there's still nothing to prevent bank copying |
| 07:37.30 | Skittles | Sounds like something someone can break, but not the average joe can |
| 07:37.45 | JManV | bank copying is super easy |
| 07:37.47 | onetwo | yeah i cant wait to see |
| 07:37.49 | onetwo | about that |
| 07:37.55 | JManV | backup your bank |
| 07:37.56 | onetwo | but yeah someone can copy paste a bank |
| 07:37.58 | JManV | give it to your friend |
| 07:38.00 | onetwo | ultimately we will need cloud banks |
| 07:38.03 | JManV | or... drop all your stuff |
| 07:38.11 | Skittles | onetwo |
| 07:38.11 | JManV | and copy your old bank back |
| 07:38.21 | Skittles | u wouldn't happen to know how to change a units texture would you? |
| 07:38.25 | onetwo | nope |
| 07:38.29 | onetwo | i tried once and failed |
| 07:38.35 | Skittles | cloud bank? |
| 07:38.43 | JManV | banks on bnet servers |
| 07:38.46 | Skittles | oh |
| 07:38.47 | JManV | not local |
| 07:38.51 | Skittles | just say that next time. |
| 07:38.54 | Skittles | lol |
| 07:38.57 | JManV | i just need an integer |
| 07:39.01 | JManV | 4 bytes |
| 07:39.09 | JManV | a hash of the last saved bank for that player |
| 07:39.17 | JManV | stop almost everyting |
| 07:39.51 | JManV | (4 bytes per player that is) |
| 07:39.56 | Jiiks | Skittles extract that texture edit it and import it |
| 07:40.07 | JManV | which is still only 4 MB for a million players |
| 07:40.15 | Skittles | ew |
| 07:40.23 | Skittles | why do I need to go that far? XD |
| 07:40.49 | Skittles | so bib had to export a new square for each texture he had? |
| 07:42.46 | Jiiks | you could prob change it with assets.txt but what texture would you use? :P |
| 07:43.21 | Skittles | anything tbh |
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| 07:43.27 | Skittles | I'm using the box atm in game |
| 07:43.30 | Skittles | but it shines... |
| 07:43.36 | Skittles | for some reason it shines..! |
| 07:43.51 | Skittles | about to change transparentcy since i remember my tron game when doing that it took it away |
| 07:45.01 | JManV | it's sad i had to create a function for (x/2)-(y/2) because it's such a pain to set up |
| 07:46.12 | Skittles | what's that used for? |
| 07:46.19 | JManV | center |
| 07:46.40 | JManV | offset point for an object of width y, centered over a space of width x |
| 07:46.57 | Skittles | can u do a loop inside a while action? |
| 07:47.09 | JManV | yeah |
| 07:47.25 | Skittles | awesome |
| 07:47.40 | JManV | you could do several levels deep |
| 07:47.47 | JManV | not to say you should |
| 07:47.58 | JManV | but you could |
| 07:48.31 | JManV | but two levels deep is fairly common |
| 07:50.16 | JManV | ... man, i have to deal with my family tomorrow... |
| 07:50.21 | JManV | i really hate christmas |
| 07:50.36 | JManV | such a boring freakin' holiday |
| 07:50.46 | Skittles | lol |
| 07:50.48 | XenoX101 | man I am NOT looking forward to making any more buildings in SC2 |
| 07:50.55 | XenoX101 | they are the most unfun, frustrating thing to create |
| 07:51.09 | Skittles | making units is fun? |
| 07:51.20 | XenoX101 | well yeah |
| 07:51.30 | XenoX101 | playing with all the values and stuff |
| 07:51.34 | XenoX101 | all kind of, makes sense |
| 07:52.18 | JManV | hmm |
| 07:52.33 | XenoX101 | building actors are like a group of virgins trying to have an orgy |
| 07:52.34 | JManV | i wonder if i could do now what i had trouble doing when i first started map editing |
| 07:52.48 | XenoX101 | none of them really knowing what to do and kind of just barely making it work together |
| 07:53.05 | XenoX101 | with little pleasure involved |
| 07:54.30 | JManV | hmmm... i wanted to make a zerg ability like warp gates |
| 07:54.32 | Bounty | Yano |
| 07:54.46 | JManV | where you click on a point and an egg quickly spawns and hatches |
| 07:54.57 | Bounty | I am surprised we've never heard of someone dieng from not sleeping because they couldnt stop watching youtube |
| 07:55.27 | XenoX101 | meh, youtube is overrated |
| 07:55.41 | Bounty | not if you watch real shows on it |
| 07:55.43 | Bounty | like Mythbusters :) |
| 07:55.47 | JManV | it's hard to say that, because it has everything |
| 07:55.58 | XenoX101 | all the good stuff is either censored or broken down into 50 different clips |
| 07:56.05 | XenoX101 | at 240p resolution |
| 07:56.14 | Bounty | wrong lol |
| 07:56.23 | Bounty | i watched like 50 episodes of QI at 480p |
| 07:56.26 | JManV | there are some gems in that turd |
| 07:56.28 | Bounty | which is perfectly fine |
| 07:56.29 | Bounty | :) |
| 07:56.39 | Jiiks | 480p :P |
| 07:56.41 | Bounty | and i dont even think therei s any other way to watch QI in the states |
| 07:56.49 | Bounty | since its BBC |
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| 07:57.01 | XenoX101 | mm |
| 07:57.18 | XenoX101 | I haven't been able to find anything I like on there |
| 07:57.20 | JManV | well that's what we get for having good dental care... |
| 07:57.24 | XenoX101 | without aforementioned restrictions |
| 07:57.31 | Bounty | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6avp29GqXo&feature=related |
| 07:57.31 | Skittles | 0.0 |
| 07:57.33 | Bounty | Now that shit |
| 07:57.34 | Bounty | is great |
| 07:57.36 | Bounty | exploding CD's |
| 07:57.37 | Bounty | lol |
| 07:59.02 | JManV | its great cuz you don't have to watch all the other bs |
| 07:59.08 | Bounty | yeah |
| 07:59.13 | Bounty | this channel |
| 07:59.14 | JManV | but i want to look at carrie :( |
| 07:59.15 | Bounty | is great |
| 07:59.34 | Bounty | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0SEBFGGEcI&feature=related |
| 07:59.35 | Bounty | there ya go |
| 07:59.43 | XenoX101 | mythbusters is hit and miss imo |
| 07:59.55 | XenoX101 | I think they overdo the "exploding things is cool!" notion |
| 08:00.09 | Bounty | that last video i linked is FUCKED up lol |
| 08:00.49 | JManV | so hot |
| 08:13.17 | Agouti | skittles: back |
| 08:14.23 | JManV | butterfinger: forward |
| 08:14.43 | JManV | that's the game, right? |
| 08:14.54 | Agouti | yeah, but you lost it |
| 08:14.57 | Agouti | sadly |
| 08:15.15 | JManV | cool |
| 08:15.24 | JManV | i'm the champion |
| 08:15.32 | Agouti | ^ |
| 08:15.35 | JManV | of rediculousgameimadeupbecauseimboard |
| 08:16.04 | Agouti | ridiculousgameimadeupbecauseimbored* |
| 08:16.17 | JManV | it's the best |
| 08:16.38 | Agouti | though |
| 08:16.48 | Agouti | ridiculousgameimadeupbecauseiambored would be better |
| 08:17.09 | Agouti | since that way it isn't missing any punctuation marks |
| 08:17.37 | JManV | wow, really? :P |
| 08:17.47 | Agouti | I actually had an old keyboard at one point that the spacebar started dieing |
| 08:17.56 | Agouti | and so random spaces started appearing |
| 08:17.59 | JManV | who hasn't? :) |
| 08:18.03 | XenoX101 | sweet, my building animation is donnnne |
| 08:18.04 | Agouti | heh |
| 08:18.14 | Agouti | I seem to recall tetris was the cause of that one |
| 08:18.17 | JManV | i've had almost every kind of bad keyboard |
| 08:18.19 | Agouti | or maybe it was commander keen |
| 08:18.22 | JManV | heh |
| 08:18.23 | Agouti | waaait no |
| 08:18.24 | Agouti | it was |
| 08:18.30 | Agouti | ugh what was it called |
| 08:18.34 | Skittles | u sure a loop can be in a while? it's making my game unresponsive? |
| 08:18.37 | JManV | it's usually soda that does my keyboards in |
| 08:18.43 | Agouti | top down arcade shooter |
| 08:18.44 | Agouti | space |
| 08:18.56 | Agouti | lafjdaldfjad |
| 08:19.00 | JManV | skittles: the loops have to ed |
| 08:19.01 | JManV | end |
| 08:19.23 | Agouti | ^ what he said |
| 08:19.39 | JManV | what are you trying to do |
| 08:20.35 | Skittles | they do jman |
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| 08:20.43 | XenoX101 | ok one last thing with my building |
| 08:20.55 | XenoX101 | when it gets damaged, how do I trigger flames |
| 08:21.39 | SouLCarveR | can anybody help me make an effect that orders my unit to move in the direction its facing? |
| 08:22.24 | JManV | what are your loops |
| 08:22.30 | JManV | how many iterations approx? |
| 08:22.37 | XenoX101 | ?? |
| 08:22.41 | JManV | skittles |
| 08:22.46 | XenoX101 | o |
| 08:23.04 | Skittles | ? |
| 08:23.10 | JManV | xenox: not sure, but you could look at the terran buildings |
| 08:23.36 | JManV | i think there's a behavior or something |
| 08:23.37 | Skittles | I am making a poc u knew that. |
| 08:23.38 | Skittles | :p |
| 08:23.45 | Skittles | nothing to complicated here |
| 08:23.47 | JManV | your loops |
| 08:23.58 | JManV | you have a loop inside of a loop, right? |
| 08:24.42 | SouLCarveR | can anybody help me make an effect that orders my unit to move in the direction its facing? |
| 08:25.44 | Skittles | i have a loop inside a while |
| 08:25.58 | Skittles | has a if then else with leading to a break |
| 08:26.12 | Skittles | i think i may know the issue but ill need to test it first |
| 08:26.20 | JManV | what kind of loop? |
| 08:26.22 | JManV | for each? |
| 08:26.24 | Skittles | i think im just telling it to do it to quickly so ima adda wait |
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| 08:26.56 | JManV | if it tries to do too much, you'll get a "trigger execution took too long" error |
| 08:27.30 | Skittles | may be be coming unresponsive b4 i get that tho |
| 08:27.37 | JManV | xenox: terran - structure burnout behavior... you could just get that to a unit, or you could look at what it does |
| 08:27.47 | Helral|Work | JManV|Work: that is if it tries to do to much without a wait. |
| 08:28.04 | JManV | yes |
| 08:28.21 | Helral|Work | why is your other nick still here JManV? |
| 08:28.35 | JManV | cuz i forget to log out |
| 08:28.40 | Helral|Work | :P |
| 08:28.44 | JManV | kicks JManV|Work |
| 08:28.51 | JManV | stupid alter ego |
| 08:28.51 | Helral|Work | and you don't have it registered I guess. |
| 08:29.10 | JManV | well, they have different names anyways :P |
| 08:29.27 | JManV | that's my work computer |
| 08:29.34 | Helral|Work | if you had it registered you could: /msg nickserv ghost <Nick> <Pass> ;p |
| 08:29.45 | JManV | oh |
| 08:29.53 | Helral|Work | then it will get kicked. |
| 08:29.53 | JManV | ic |
| 08:30.04 | JManV | good, i hate that sob |
| 08:30.06 | Helral|Work | same if you dc and reconnect and the nick is in use. |
| 08:30.08 | JManV | kicks JManV|Work |
| 08:30.46 | JManV | apparently, nickserv doesn't accept the command "fuck you" |
| 08:30.53 | Helral|Work | lol |
| 08:30.56 | Helral|Work | wonder why |
| 08:31.02 | JManV | couldn't tell ya |
| 08:31.11 | JManV | good thing it's a bot |
| 08:31.25 | Helral|Work | *JManV has disconnected (forced by services)* |
| 08:31.34 | Helral|Work | :P |
| 08:31.51 | JManV | heh |
| 08:32.03 | JManV | i guess i could have lead with help |
| 08:32.12 | JManV | but i wanted to make sure that was the right command |
| 08:32.18 | JManV | so i just swore at it first |
| 08:32.39 | JManV | it had it comin'! |
| 08:33.56 | JManV | so but i still use a different nick when i'm at work :P |
| 08:34.10 | JManV | kicks JManV|Work |
| 08:34.16 | Skittles | is it DahMan |
| 08:34.17 | Skittles | instead? |
| 08:34.18 | Agouti | hah! |
| 08:34.20 | Agouti | I remembered |
| 08:34.23 | Agouti | tyrian |
| 08:34.51 | Agouti | that was such a great game |
| 08:34.51 | Skittles | minecraft is pissing me off now |
| 08:34.57 | Agouti | D: ! |
| 08:35.00 | Agouti | o noes |
| 08:35.08 | Agouti | can haz hug? |
| 08:35.08 | JManV | 10 minute PoC, huh skittles? |
| 08:35.30 | Skittles | 10 minute? |
| 08:35.46 | Skittles | I was referring to the real Minecraft |
| 08:35.53 | JManV | oh |
| 08:35.57 | Skittles | it still doesn't recognize that I bought the game |
| 08:36.14 | Agouti | has the money been debited to your account? |
| 08:36.51 | JManV | killed that sob |
| 08:37.12 | Skittles | idk |
| 08:37.18 | Skittles | paypal says it has a long time ago |
| 08:37.21 | Skittles | as soon as i did it |
| 08:37.35 | Skittles | but the bank didn't recognizei t when I checked a few hours ago |
| 08:37.52 | SouLCarveR | can anybody help me make an effect that orders my unit to move in the direction its facing? |
| 08:38.15 | XenoX101 | I think I'll need to get someone uberpro to edit my map when I'm done and fix up the building flames |
| 08:38.19 | XenoX101 | cause they just ain't happenin |
| 08:38.26 | Agouti | ^__^ |
| 08:39.05 | Agouti | I just want a decent wiki |
| 08:39.07 | Agouti | :( |
| 08:39.15 | Agouti | we were promised one |
| 08:39.43 | JManV | the behavior doesn't work xenox? |
| 08:39.56 | JManV | or no actual flames? |
| 08:39.59 | XenoX101 | no flames |
| 08:40.04 | XenoX101 | not sure if there is a behaviour or anything |
| 08:40.05 | JManV | i dind't think about the models |
| 08:40.12 | JManV | it's not part of the behavior |
| 08:40.17 | JManV | you'll have to find the model |
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| 08:41.22 | JManV | TerranFlamesMediumBuilding |
| 08:41.34 | JManV | looks like you just need to add an event to it |
| 08:41.39 | JManV | when you building is created |
| 08:41.51 | JManV | and another for destroyed |
| 08:41.53 | Agouti | added the event to the actor for the building? |
| 08:42.04 | JManV | nvm |
| 08:42.08 | Skittles | lol |
| 08:42.18 | JManV | don't need to event on destroy |
| 08:42.34 | JManV | the terran flames actor |
| 08:43.40 | Agouti | skittles: did you check how your bank account and paypal are linked? |
| 08:43.55 | JManV | ok, there's a different actor for different sized buildings |
| 08:43.58 | JManV | pick the appropriate one |
| 08:44.00 | Skittles | no |
| 08:44.01 | Agouti | because if there isn't a visa/mastercard debit card inbetween,that would explain why it's taking time |
| 08:44.08 | Skittles | not like this is the first game I've bought tho |
| 08:44.23 | Skittles | it takes money from the bank puts it in paypal and paypal pays |
| 08:44.40 | Helral|Work | SouLCarveR: try using a persistant effect with an offset that uses an issue order effect (move). it's triggered by a behavior (buff) periodic effect. |
| 08:44.49 | Agouti | yes, but it's normal for a 3 working day delays with bank transfers |
| 08:45.30 | XenoX101 | hm |
| 08:46.02 | Agouti | Helral/SoulCarver: I don't think you can use an offset, as they are in X/Y not angle/range |
| 08:46.30 | Helral|Work | Agouti: I already did it ;p |
| 08:46.53 | Helral|Work | Persistant effect with offset based on unit facing is possible. |
| 08:47.14 | Skittles | how does sc2's engine work? Does it only render what it sees or does it render everything? |
| 08:47.53 | JManV | it should theoretically only render what you see |
| 08:47.56 | Helral|Work | might calculate a lot, but only render what you can see. |
| 08:47.59 | XenoX101 | nope, adding my own event didn't work :( |
| 08:48.01 | JManV | give or take a little |
| 08:48.02 | Skittles | then again im using transparentcy so I'm seeing everything |
| 08:48.32 | JManV | yeah a deep field of vision is a problem for the game |
| 08:48.32 | Skittles | kay thanks |
| 08:48.41 | Skittles | well it's only for testing |
| 08:49.24 | JManV | xenox: i gotta go to bed... you'll have to look around some |
| 08:49.27 | Agouti | helral: trigger or data? if data, tell tell :) |
| 08:49.37 | Helral|Work | Agouti: data |
| 08:49.41 | Skittles | nite |
| 08:49.41 | JManV | look at a terran building and piece it together and try things out |
| 08:49.50 | Skittles | helral |
| 08:49.58 | Skittles | what country do u live in @.@ |
| 08:50.05 | Helral|Work | Skittles: Netherlands |
| 08:50.11 | Skittles | oh |
| 08:50.13 | XenoX101 | no probs, thanks for your help anyway |
| 08:50.15 | Helral|Work | :P |
| 08:50.23 | XenoX101 | def getting a big credit when my map is released |
| 08:51.12 | XenoX101 | "currently unnamed map WITH HELP FROM ****__JManV__**** .... by xenox" |
| 08:51.45 | Helral|Work | Agouti: take a look at the persistant effects. at the bottom there should be something like source orso. if this is set to a point then it will use the default facing to adjust, if this is set to an unit it will use the unit facing to adjust. |
| 08:51.46 | Agouti | so helral |
| 08:52.12 | Skittles | Helral, do you by chance now how to change a units texture? |
| 08:52.19 | Helral|Work | uhm.... |
| 08:52.25 | Agouti | that is set in the model... |
| 08:52.29 | Agouti | or |
| 08:52.32 | Helral|Work | don't think the methods I know worked. |
| 08:52.36 | Agouti | at least, is linked to in the model |
| 08:52.43 | Helral|Work | someone tried them yesterday I think. |
| 08:52.49 | Agouti | I am pretty sure it's immutable |
| 08:52.51 | Agouti | because |
| 08:52.57 | Agouti | look at the dark protoss units |
| 08:53.08 | Agouti | they are the same models, with different textures |
| 08:53.21 | Agouti | and Blizz did it with different .m3's |
| 08:53.27 | Helral|Work | would just color tint them black. |
| 08:53.30 | Agouti | ^ |
| 08:54.03 | Agouti | you can also play with the um |
| 08:54.11 | XenoX101 | Agouti: the dark models use more than just different textures |
| 08:54.14 | Agouti | HR? |
| 08:54.16 | XenoX101 | they use green particals instead of blue |
| 08:54.19 | XenoX101 | particles* |
| 08:54.51 | XenoX101 | and I remember someone not too long ago swapping textures out |
| 08:55.00 | XenoX101 | on a model |
| 08:55.22 | Helral|Work | hmmmm well you could take a look at the following stuff: Apply Texture (Trigger) and the Actor Texture messages. |
| 08:55.40 | XenoX101 | the guy had success with the actor action |
| 08:55.44 | XenoX101 | Texture Apply Group |
| 08:55.45 | Helral|Work | only the apply texture trigger is a bit global I think. not all that specific. |
| 08:55.52 | Helral|Work | ow. |
| 08:55.54 | XenoX101 | and he said it worked per specific unit too |
| 08:55.59 | Helral|Work | ok. |
| 08:56.08 | Helral|Work | I must have been away when those results came in. |
| 08:56.19 | XenoX101 | Texture Group Apply* |
| 08:56.57 | XenoX101 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:57.00 | Agouti | helral: I don't understand how you got offset to work... it's still in X and Y |
| 08:57.17 | Skittles | 0.0 |
| 08:57.17 | Agouti | you need polar coordinates |
| 08:57.25 | XenoX101 | no it does work |
| 08:57.30 | XenoX101 | the only problem is |
| 08:57.40 | XenoX101 | you can only set 31 offsets per persistent |
| 08:57.58 | Agouti | if you could specify polar, you would only need 1 |
| 08:58.04 | XenoX101 | and you cant chain persistents without some artifacts (I had the second persistent firing in the wrong direction occasionally) |
| 08:58.14 | Agouti | just order it to go X distance in the direction facing |
| 08:58.17 | XenoX101 | the X and Y are relative to your position |
| 08:58.21 | Agouti | yes |
| 08:58.22 | Agouti | but |
| 08:58.26 | Agouti | that is no good |
| 08:58.28 | XenoX101 | Y is backward and forward |
| 08:58.32 | Agouti | when you want to go in the direction you are facing |
| 08:58.32 | XenoX101 | X is left and right |
| 08:58.37 | Agouti | ... ugh |
| 08:58.39 | XenoX101 | no |
| 08:58.40 | XenoX101 | they are |
| 08:58.42 | XenoX101 | relative to your facing |
| 08:58.44 | Agouti | yay for consistancy |
| 08:58.44 | XenoX101 | sorry* |
| 08:58.54 | XenoX101 | relative to your facing |
| 08:58.58 | XenoX101 | see raynor snipe |
| 08:59.04 | XenoX101 | it uses offsets to do the damage |
| 08:59.07 | Agouti | everywhere else X and Y are global X and Y |
| 08:59.12 | Agouti | :-/ |
| 08:59.19 | XenoX101 | well |
| 08:59.26 | XenoX101 | site operation local offset |
| 08:59.27 | XenoX101 | is also relative |
| 08:59.36 | Agouti | I wish they had of used polar |
| 08:59.39 | Agouti | that would make sense |
| 08:59.42 | XenoX101 | indeed |
| 08:59.46 | Agouti | arc and radius |
| 08:59.53 | Agouti | and much more useful as well |
| 09:00.00 | XenoX101 | but yeah, I'm avoiding using offsets |
| 09:00.03 | XenoX101 | for the time being |
| 09:00.08 | XenoX101 | cause I hate the idea and it limits me terribly |
| 09:00.24 | Agouti | I think it will work for what I want |
| 09:00.26 | XenoX101 | when mouse tracking comes out I will use trigs for the target, so I will be able to avoid them |
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| 09:00.42 | Agouti | which is the 1 shot unit creation, which will travel in the direction you fired it |
| 09:00.51 | XenoX101 | yeah sorry I didn't mention it to you earlier |
| 09:00.57 | XenoX101 | I was thinking about it but it kinda slipped my mind |
| 09:01.00 | XenoX101 | probably cause I loathe it so |
| 09:01.20 | Agouti | I didn't want to do it with triggers, because then I would need to make it unselectable or something |
| 09:01.36 | Agouti | or possibly issue the move order then uncommandable |
| 09:01.40 | Agouti | which could also work |
| 09:02.26 | Agouti | maybe I'll go back to trying to do it as a missile |
| 09:02.45 | Helral|Work | Agouti: did you find what I meant earlier? |
| 09:02.54 | Agouti | the big block of text |
| 09:03.02 | Helral|Work | the value that changes it from not-facing-based to facing-based? |
| 09:03.32 | Agouti | Offset Facing Fallback? |
| 09:03.34 | Stewox | hello |
| 09:03.39 | Helral|Work | that's the one. |
| 09:03.42 | Agouti | hi stewox |
| 09:03.43 | SouLCarveR | hey |
| 09:03.44 | Stewox | how do i get mapsize from script |
| 09:03.46 | Xapti | lol HuK Ret, Cella and Jinro are playing Star battle |
| 09:03.48 | SouLCarveR | sounds like my questiong |
| 09:03.49 | SouLCarveR | can anybody help me make an effect that orders my unit to move in the direction its facing? |
| 09:03.54 | Stewox | into script |
| 09:03.57 | onetwo | anyone here remember the rules in sheep tag in war3? |
| 09:03.58 | SouLCarveR | this facing fall back thing |
| 09:04.00 | Agouti | star battle is awesome, thats why |
| 09:04.01 | SouLCarveR | how does it work? |
| 09:04.02 | onetwo | did wolves have to corale all shepe into middle to win? |
| 09:04.12 | Skittles | what do u mean rules? |
| 09:04.19 | onetwo | like objectives |
| 09:04.21 | onetwo | to win as wolves |
| 09:04.22 | Skittles | they killed the sheep and the sheep went into the middle |
| 09:04.27 | Skittles | if all sheep were dead |
| 09:04.27 | Helral|Work | it determines the polar offset direction for a persistant effect. |
| 09:04.29 | Skittles | then they won |
| 09:04.40 | onetwo | so sheep are dead = sheep in middle? |
| 09:04.43 | Skittles | sheep could be rescued by other sheep by going into the middle and killing the wisps |
| 09:04.46 | Skittles | yeah |
| 09:04.48 | XenoX101 | bbl, gonna play some sc2 |
| 09:04.50 | onetwo | hmm |
| 09:05.00 | onetwo | k so its basically like my prisoner rebel map: prisoners stuck in jail when caught |
| 09:05.04 | onetwo | and other prisoners can come rescue them |
| 09:05.13 | onetwo | game over if all prisoners in jai |
| 09:05.15 | onetwo | jail |
| 09:05.24 | Skittles | yep |
| 09:05.32 | Skittles | they had that in wc3 too btw |
| 09:05.34 | onetwo | i had a 3 jail max limit on each player |
| 09:05.40 | onetwo | but i removed it |
| 09:05.41 | Skittles | prison outbreak i think it was called |
| 09:05.52 | Skittles | may of came out b4 sheep tag too |
| 09:05.53 | onetwo | need to see if games go too long |
| 09:05.54 | onetwo | oh |
| 09:08.51 | Stewox | is there possible to get map coordinates , essentially map size into the scripts ? |
| 09:09.03 | Stewox | so i can make something what will randomly place it self on the map |
| 09:09.17 | Stewox | without making points or regions |
| 09:09.39 | Sixen | I need a computerrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 09:09.47 | Stewox | but i might just do with points and regions |
| 09:09.58 | Stewox | if there's no script native |
| 09:10.44 | Agouti | btw, onetwo, if you like sheeptag, should check out island defense |
| 09:11.00 | Agouti | </self promotion> |
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| 09:11.33 | Agouti | tampa bay :o |
| 09:11.41 | Skittles | meh i don't think this is going to work |
| 09:11.47 | Skittles | it's lagging quite a bit. |
| 09:11.47 | Skittles | Xd |
| 09:11.56 | Agouti | D: |
| 09:12.00 | Skittles | then agian |
| 09:12.01 | Agouti | aww |
| 09:12.03 | Skittles | im using box |
| 09:12.07 | Skittles | not cube |
| 09:12.14 | Skittles | so it has like double the poligons |
| 09:12.18 | Agouti | o___o |
| 09:12.34 | Agouti | -____- |
| 09:12.35 | Skittles | either way, a single zealot has like 2k poligons, so it's probably not a poligon issue |
| 09:12.37 | Agouti | o____o |
| 09:12.50 | Agouti | oh |
| 09:12.52 | Agouti | btw |
| 09:12.55 | Skittles | make it a animation, name it, love it, then use it as a avatar. |
| 09:13.06 | Agouti | any way to get the .sc2map with the zergling face-huggers? |
| 09:13.12 | Agouti | cos they are epic |
| 09:13.14 | Agouti | :3 |
| 09:13.16 | Skittles | ? |
| 09:13.18 | Agouti | :o |
| 09:13.19 | Skittles | it's posted.... |
| 09:13.24 | Agouti | orite |
| 09:13.34 | Agouti | :*| |
| 09:13.36 | Helral|Work | Stewox: random point in region (Entire Map) |
| 09:13.43 | Skittles | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/data-assets/16059-wingednoserings-data-assets/ |
| 09:14.04 | Skittles | i checked it out myself |
| 09:14.06 | Skittles | but it's fail. |
| 09:14.15 | Skittles | He uses a projectile for the jump |
| 09:14.21 | Skittles | meaning the untis can't attack it as it jumps |
| 09:14.23 | Skittles | fail. |
| 09:14.32 | Stewox | thanks !!! |
| 09:14.33 | Agouti | the targets? |
| 09:14.42 | Skittles | the lings |
| 09:14.52 | Agouti | er, isn't that expected? |
| 09:14.59 | Skittles | did u know minecraft has dungeons? |
| 09:15.03 | Agouti | yes |
| 09:15.09 | Skittles | I still haven't found one |
| 09:15.13 | Agouti | they are rare |
| 09:15.20 | Skittles | I had to fight two skeleton archers tho |
| 09:15.23 | Agouti | they will be connected to a cavern network |
| 09:15.25 | Skittles | at once |
| 09:15.29 | Skittles | and they had the height advantage |
| 09:15.30 | Skittles | Xd |
| 09:15.33 | Agouti | lols |
| 09:15.38 | Skittles | yeps |
| 09:15.41 | Agouti | want to craft: shield |
| 09:15.46 | Skittles | haha yeah |
| 09:15.57 | Skittles | did u know they have spider mounted by skeleton archers? |
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| 09:16.12 | Agouti | I heard that lol |
| 09:16.13 | Demalii | ~seen currydevil |
| 09:16.19 | purl | currydevil <Currydevil@75-142-21-134.dhcp.mdfd.or.charter.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 17d 48m 1s ago, saying: 'Hel, I think you should fix my missile.'. |
| 09:16.19 | Skittles | also pigmen |
| 09:16.20 | Skittles | and zombie pigmen |
| 09:16.28 | Agouti | did you? |
| 09:16.38 | Skittles | ? |
| 09:16.46 | Agouti | helral, I meant |
| 09:17.23 | Helral|Work | hmmm? |
| 09:17.30 | Skittles | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qxxq2JUf034 |
| 09:17.31 | Skittles | whoa |
| 09:19.01 | Skittles | epic |
| 09:20.09 | Agouti | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn2-d5a3r94&feature=related |
| 09:20.12 | Agouti | ^ THAT is epic |
| 09:20.30 | Skittles | have u made any traps yet? |
| 09:21.14 | Skittles | btw i found a lake |
| 09:21.22 | Skittles | that had a water fall below it |
| 09:21.32 | Skittles | like it led to a waterfall |
| 09:21.37 | Skittles | which led to a huge cavern |
| 09:21.59 | Demalii | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9QIkOKr7D4&NR=1&feature=fvwp -> epic |
| 09:22.55 | Skittles | somebody had to much free time.. |
| 09:24.21 | Skittles | lol |
| 09:25.27 | Skittles | minecraft is only fun if u start over Xd |
| 09:25.45 | Skittles | they just did a x-mas update btw |
| 09:27.35 | Stewox | i don't see a FOR logic |
| 09:27.46 | Stewox | it's only "FOR and something" |
| 09:28.01 | Stewox | i want to make While , but without additional condition |
| 09:29.05 | Stewox | i also want to make a hiddent timer which will count from like 2 mins , down to 0 , and when it reaches 0 the action starts , |
| 09:29.34 | Stewox | it resets back to the original value of 2 mins or whatever |
| 09:29.56 | Helral|Work | what for logic do you want to make? |
| 09:30.17 | Stewox | just a loop |
| 09:30.23 | Stewox | without condition |
| 09:30.29 | Stewox | it's unnecessary |
| 09:30.37 | Helral|Work | as for the second one: create timer (120) |
| 09:30.41 | Stewox | or i just keep while cond. empty and it'll be the same thing ? |
| 09:30.52 | Helral|Work | while 1==1 |
| 09:30.56 | Helral|Work | while true ;p |
| 09:31.00 | Helral|Work | loop forever |
| 09:31.00 | Stewox | the condition list is pretty small |
| 09:31.14 | Helral|Work | forever is an option I think |
| 09:31.23 | Helral|Work | while (forever){...} |
| 09:31.56 | Helral|Work | Stewox: but I still don't understand why you'd want to do this. |
| 09:32.21 | Stewox | where do i need to create timer , in which part of the trigger ? |
| 09:32.25 | Stewox | event probably ? |
| 09:32.44 | Stewox | it starts just as the map starts |
| 09:32.50 | Stewox | so it's map init |
| 09:33.15 | Helral|Work | creating a timer is an action. |
| 09:33.24 | Helral|Work | if the timer ends then you have an event. |
| 09:33.35 | Stewox | aaaaa |
| 09:33.53 | Stewox | periodic event , every N seconds of the game , that's what i've been looking for |
| 09:34.04 | Helral|Work | ow. |
| 09:34.10 | Helral|Work | ;p |
| 09:34.10 | Stewox | that kind of a timer |
| 09:34.27 | Helral|Work | yeah kind of, but lacks timer functions. |
| 09:34.49 | Helral|Work | doesn't have a pause, stop, restart, .... |
| 09:34.54 | Stewox | for example ? |
| 09:35.02 | Stewox | oh |
| 09:35.09 | Helral|Work | it is just a periodic event. takes place every time at that time. |
| 09:35.33 | Stewox | doesn't need to for this kind of thing , since it's a global and neutral event |
| 09:36.00 | Stewox | starting at map init and ending at quit |
| 09:36.40 | Stewox | it's for placing powerups on the map , so units can pickup if they find :) |
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| 10:06.52 | onetwo | sure Agouti :D |
| 10:07.18 | Agouti | lol onetwo, lag? |
| 10:07.21 | Agouti | thats nasty |
| 10:07.36 | Agouti | must suck having a ping measured in hours |
| 10:07.57 | Agouti | there is Frome's old one up, mine is just exiting beta atm |
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| 10:11.29 | onetwo | lol |
| 10:12.01 | Agouti | most of the people who play are asleep atm, so you won't be able to get a full game likely as not |
| 10:12.24 | Helral|Work | Agouti: most of the people who play are at work ;p |
| 10:12.30 | Agouti | or that |
| 10:12.35 | Agouti | one of the two ;) |
| 10:12.41 | Helral|Work | Agouti: most of the people who play are bored ;p |
| 10:12.54 | Agouti | :P |
| 10:13.02 | Helral|Work | Agouti: most of the people who play are human ;p |
| 10:13.05 | Helral|Work | :P |
| 10:13.25 | Stewox | time is = work or sleep |
| 10:13.44 | Helral|Work | I removed the letters atm :) |
| 10:13.49 | Stewox | only asians have afternoon now |
| 10:14.11 | Agouti | well |
| 10:14.21 | Agouti | that isn't technically correct |
| 10:14.30 | Agouti | it's prime gamign time in east aus |
| 10:14.43 | Stewox | this region locking is stupid why the heck i can't play with koreans , i don't care about ping |
| 10:14.57 | Agouti | you can. Just buy a korean copy. |
| 10:15.04 | Stewox | thanks a lot |
| 10:15.09 | Agouti | np |
| 10:15.11 | Stewox | that's gree |
| 10:15.13 | Stewox | greed |
| 10:15.18 | Agouti | besides, korea no longer has the best players |
| 10:15.37 | Agouti | a lot of the pro koreans didn't move from sc1 |
| 10:15.42 | Helral|Work | Stewox: blizzard would disagree.... they'd call it more sales. |
| 10:16.18 | Agouti | corps exist to make money :-/ |
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| 10:17.25 | Helral|Work | btw Agouti you still want to know how that preiodic effect works with unit facing? |
| 10:17.38 | Helral|Work | persistant effect* |
| 10:17.41 | Agouti | nope, it's pretty straight forward |
| 10:17.49 | Helral|Work | ;p |
| 10:17.52 | Agouti | I just didn't realise it worked that way |
| 10:17.57 | Helral|Work | hehehe |
| 10:18.00 | Agouti | would be nice to do it without a periodic |
| 10:18.03 | Helral|Work | excuses ;p |
| 10:18.14 | Agouti | shh you |
| 10:18.43 | Helral|Work | Agouti: you don't need to use a periodic, only a persistant ;p |
| 10:19.31 | Agouti | ah, my mistake |
| 10:22.01 | Helral|Work | :P |
| 10:23.01 | Stewox | i think some loyal gamer should examine the license , copyright and disclaimers of blizzard , and sue them for unreasonable monetization , obstruction of freedom , unjustified restrictions , greed |
| 10:23.24 | Helral|Work | Stewox: you mean royal gamer ;p |
| 10:23.38 | Stewox | no ... ? |
| 10:24.05 | Stewox | well , loyal , but also understainding legal stuff |
| 10:24.06 | Helral|Work | in case you lose you should be able to afford the laywer costs ;p |
| 10:24.37 | Agouti | you cannot sue for greed |
| 10:24.53 | Agouti | unless you live in communist country, of course |
| 10:26.07 | Stewox | well yes that's the problem but i said , loyal because a gamer knows about the whole game , and examining the disclaimers and licence , somebody can find holes in that and base your lawsuit on that so you CANT lose if you're 100% , but they might pay the lawers or bribe them for a win |
| 10:27.43 | Stewox | noumersous cases when big were sued because some smart guys filed lawsuits and the company had nothing to do , even if the guy lost the company tried to fix that, like sony and a few others , generally from gaming , |
| 10:28.04 | Agouti | If you think blizzard have been disloyal to their fans |
| 10:28.05 | Stewox | there's been a few cases in the last years , quite some |
| 10:28.18 | Agouti | you obviously have not been exposed to many game makers. |
| 10:28.26 | Agouti | Blizzard are amongst the best |
| 10:29.33 | Agouti | Even if I *COULD* find a way to do that, I would not. |
| 10:29.39 | Stewox | greed ; resticting free region on a basis that it doesn't work because of some issues , but then allowing if you buy it's copy is DECEPTION , the stupid paid services like name change , characther transfer , for fucking 15 dollars for a guy to just do 3 clicks , |
| 10:29.44 | Stewox | i know it its |
| 10:29.47 | Stewox | but it could be better |
| 10:29.49 | Agouti | wrong, wrong, wrong and wrong |
| 10:29.57 | Agouti | 1. character name change |
| 10:30.03 | Agouti | heaps of companies do that. |
| 10:30.13 | Agouti | 2. restricting free region |
| 10:30.17 | Stewox | booby kotick is in this definitely |
| 10:30.20 | Agouti | you realise that they are hosting the game servers |
| 10:30.23 | Agouti | at no charge |
| 10:30.23 | Agouti | right? |
| 10:30.41 | Demalii | is there an actor event for like, if a player clicks a dialog button, a sound plays? |
| 10:30.46 | Agouti | region locking has been done by dvd manufactorers for years |
| 10:30.48 | Agouti | it's not new |
| 10:30.49 | Agouti | in fact |
| 10:31.00 | Stewox | yes that's why i quit whining about 10 MB limit (actually 50) , it's about the servers ... |
| 10:31.19 | Agouti | because so many australians had issues accessing our region, SEA, we all got a free second copy on US |
| 10:31.36 | Agouti | does that sound like evil cooperate greed to you? |
| 10:31.48 | Stewox | unfair toward the other's |
| 10:31.48 | Agouti | corporate* |
| 10:31.53 | Agouti | howso/. |
| 10:31.54 | Stewox | just because nobody else whined |
| 10:31.59 | Agouti | riiight |
| 10:32.12 | Stewox | australians whined so they got the answer |
| 10:32.20 | Agouti | no, we just had an actual problem |
| 10:32.25 | Stewox | those that don't fight for rights are screwed upon |
| 10:32.30 | Agouti | rights? |
| 10:32.38 | Stewox | anything |
| 10:32.42 | Stewox | demanding ... etc |
| 10:32.43 | Agouti | what, exactly, is your problem? |
| 10:33.16 | Stewox | just like minecraft , they ddosed them and demanded updates because the guy who's been selling like shit was taking it easy |
| 10:33.31 | Agouti | and how, exactly, is this impacting on your gaming, and how is it somehow devaluing your purchase? |
| 10:33.43 | Stewox | well |
| 10:33.54 | Stewox | i spent 50 E on a broken service |
| 10:34.00 | Stewox | bnet 0.2 |
| 10:34.01 | Agouti | explain. |
| 10:34.19 | Agouti | what is your argument for it being broken, and somehow beta. |
| 10:34.31 | Stewox | it wasn't ready for launch anyways |
| 10:34.41 | Agouti | in what way |
| 10:34.57 | Demalii | yes it was, blizzard launches like this all the time |
| 10:35.02 | Stewox | as a matter of fact , it will be as it should be when hots arrives |
| 10:35.07 | Demalii | and the first year is all about balance and pleasing the community |
| 10:35.19 | Stewox | yeah it is |
| 10:35.27 | Agouti | you are making a lot of generalised statements with no evidence or arguments to support them stewox |
| 10:35.33 | Stewox | yeah i do |
| 10:35.37 | Stewox | i hate the memory leak |
| 10:35.46 | Stewox | i had to buy 2 gb ram another 60 E |
| 10:35.48 | Stewox | fuck |
| 10:35.58 | Agouti | I have experienced no memory leak |
| 10:36.15 | Agouti | nobody I know who owns the game has experienced a memory leak |
| 10:36.41 | Agouti | SC2, like all other large games of the last few years, requires a large amount of memory |
| 10:36.51 | Stewox | because this game's half broken , im too long with pc to not get the idea , i know that the technical aspect behind this game is poor , programmers aren't that good , blizzard is a creative company i guess |
| 10:37.04 | Agouti | Validate that statement. |
| 10:37.05 | Demalii | agouti, is there a way to make dialog buttons "stop/play" and have it play an imported mp3? |
| 10:37.17 | Agouti | demalii: yes |
| 10:37.22 | Demalii | assist me? |
| 10:37.24 | Stewox | the graphics are really nothing special , yet it's the most biggest resource hog bigger than crysis and metro 2033 |
| 10:37.25 | Agouti | but i'm not 100% on how to do it |
| 10:37.33 | Demalii | ok |
| 10:37.37 | Agouti | Stewox, are you a gaming programmer? |
| 10:37.47 | Agouti | do you, in fact, have any experience at all in that industry? |
| 10:37.57 | Stewox | do i sound like im not ? |
| 10:38.00 | Agouti | if not, I would argue that you are not in a position to make that statement |
| 10:38.16 | Stewox | programming college |
| 10:38.27 | Agouti | and SC2 consumes less resources than crysis on my machine |
| 10:38.32 | Stewox | nope |
| 10:38.43 | Stewox | that's what you see from the outside |
| 10:38.47 | Agouti | nope, is not a valid answer. You have not seen my machine. |
| 10:38.58 | Agouti | You are also not in a position to tell me what happens on my machine. |
| 10:39.05 | Stewox | here's something ... let me fetch it |
| 10:39.49 | Agouti | Stewox, I'm really not in the mood - you have presented precisely 0 pieces of evidence to back up even one of your multiple, generalised statements |
| 10:39.52 | A1win | all programmers are just humans, no one makes perfect code ;p and no game will ever be "perfect" |
| 10:39.54 | Agouti | if you hate sc2 so much |
| 10:39.55 | Agouti | just leave |
| 10:39.59 | Agouti | and sell it on ebay |
| 10:40.07 | Agouti | your account, that is |
| 10:40.12 | Stewox | because . i know from the get go , that you are looking in basics of perfmon , running SC2 multiplayer , and having pagefile enabled |
| 10:40.16 | Agouti | Demalii: let me have a look for you |
| 10:40.33 | Agouti | You know nothing about me or what I am doing Stewox |
| 10:40.40 | Agouti | don't you dare try to tell me what I know |
| 10:40.43 | Agouti | or what I am doing |
| 10:40.47 | Stewox | i know |
| 10:40.58 | Stewox | if you would be |
| 10:41.16 | Stewox | then you would know there's a memory leak in singleplayer , yet you said it's none |
| 10:41.31 | Agouti | I said I have not experience it. |
| 10:41.36 | Agouti | +d |
| 10:41.50 | Helral|Work | Stewox: is that in the offline mode or online mode? |
| 10:41.59 | Stewox | that means you don't get memory leaks , which means your PC has pagefile enabled , if you have 6 GB memory then it will work without pagefile , it doesn't with 4 |
| 10:42.10 | Stewox | doesn't matter , singleplayer has a memory leak |
| 10:42.12 | Agouti | Demalii: you want to use the Soundtrack trigger functions |
| 10:42.22 | Stewox | online / offline |
| 10:42.30 | Helral|Work | Stewox: cause I have 4gb and never noticed it. |
| 10:42.33 | Agouti | Play Soundtrack/ Pause Soundtrack, etc |
| 10:42.37 | Stewox | Helral |
| 10:43.03 | Stewox | you have pagefile (virtual memory ) enabled in your windows , as 95% of gamers ... that's why nobody notices the memory leak |
| 10:43.23 | Stewox | i've done so much to notify blizzard and they don't respond |
| 10:43.28 | Stewox | now i sent a few emails |
| 10:43.42 | Stewox | here's the big threads i done ... |
| 10:43.51 | Helral|Work | Stewox: memory leak means that it continues to leak. my pagefile does exist but I've limited the size and disabled windows management of it. |
| 10:44.08 | Helral|Work | so my pagefile can only grow to size X. |
| 10:44.49 | Helral|Work | but anyhow I would assume that I'd notice a memory leak if I had amongst others: sc2editor, Firefox with streaming site, and SC2 running. |
| 10:45.05 | Helral|Work | and after playing singleplayer for 3 hours. |
| 10:45.21 | Helral|Work | on the highest gfx settings. |
| 10:45.47 | Agouti | I have run SC2 continuously for long, long periods, and it has never run out of memory |
| 10:46.36 | Stewox | never ran out doesn't mean it doesn't have a memory leak |
| 10:46.41 | Stewox | it's bad cleaning |
| 10:46.52 | Stewox | it's thankfully not a forever leak |
| 10:47.00 | Stewox | it does have its limits |
| 10:47.04 | Agouti | in the end, it has not nor will not affect me, so frankly I don't care |
| 10:47.09 | Stewox | of course not noticable by normal people |
| 10:47.15 | Stewox | with default settings |
| 10:47.26 | Helral|Work | then it isn't a memory leak but incorrect memory management. |
| 10:47.29 | Stewox | you have pagefile on , pagefile is crap |
| 10:47.40 | Stewox | yeah anyways it's the same thing |
| 10:47.44 | Agouti | another generalised statement with no evidence to support it |
| 10:47.44 | Helral|Work | it isn't. |
| 10:47.48 | Stewox | leaky = bad cleaning whatever |
| 10:47.55 | Agouti | no |
| 10:48.00 | Stewox | im saying on fly here |
| 10:48.04 | Helral|Work | leaky = bad cleaning which continues to drain memory until no memory left. |
| 10:48.07 | Stewox | there's a big explanation |
| 10:48.41 | Stewox | anyhow you can't play the game with 4 GB without pagefile on win7 |
| 10:48.41 | Helral|Work | bad memory management = bad cleaning which results in cleaning only when absolutely necessairy, instead of when stuff becomes unneeded. |
| 10:48.52 | Agouti | protip: don't argue with evil ethearial kittens |
| 10:49.31 | Agouti | you shouldn't be running without a pagefile anyway, they exist for a reason |
| 10:50.00 | Agouti | as is abundantly clear |
| 10:50.58 | Stewox | the game's 1.7 GB , when you play for 1 hour , it gets to 2.2 GB in which time , it freezes , there are huge spikes because the freeze is instant , it just comes , the maximum i catched was 2.197 MB at sc2.exe |
| 10:51.37 | Agouti | have you concidered turning on your pagefile? |
| 10:51.43 | Stewox | protip: pagefile = unplayable game |
| 10:51.48 | Agouti | riiiiight |
| 10:51.58 | Helral|Work | Stewox: why? |
| 10:51.58 | Skittles | 0.0 |
| 10:52.04 | Stewox | because it lags |
| 10:52.17 | Helral|Work | hmmmm first for me. |
| 10:52.22 | Agouti | +1 |
| 10:52.27 | Helral|Work | I got no lag and I do have pagefile. |
| 10:52.37 | Helral|Work | only reason I can think of lag, is using a bad HDD. |
| 10:52.58 | Agouti | My HDD doesn't even get spun up playing sc2 |
| 10:53.01 | Agouti | it's all cached |
| 10:53.05 | Stewox | 10 secs slowdowns and temp freezes , and need to wait like 30 seconds at the mission start , especially singleplayer |
| 10:53.17 | Agouti | sounds to me like you have a shit PC there son |
| 10:53.28 | Helral|Work | might be just your pc specs then. |
| 10:53.51 | Agouti | ^ being the polite way of putting it |
| 10:54.04 | Stewox | Starcraft 2 is very unoptimized , so is the pagefile is even more deadly than in other games which is not so impacted |
| 10:54.10 | Stewox | im polite |
| 10:54.13 | Agouti | on more productive topics, instead of endless bitching about SC2 |
| 10:54.17 | Stewox | your taking me like im a noob |
| 10:54.27 | Agouti | I call them as I see them. |
| 10:54.51 | *** join/#sc2mapster XenoX101 (XenoX101@115-64-132-151.static.tpgi.com.au) |
| 10:54.53 | Stewox | im not bitching anymore , about blizz was just a thought |
| 10:55.08 | Helral|Work | just wondering but what are your pc specs? |
| 10:55.09 | Motive | erm |
| 10:55.15 | Motive | what does SC2 have to do with your OS's pagefile? |
| 10:55.15 | Agouti | You have bitched for the last oh... half an hour? about how shit blizzard & sc2 are |
| 10:55.22 | Motive | SC2 only allocates memory |
| 10:55.22 | Agouti | based purely on high memory usage |
| 10:55.28 | Motive | The OS deals with RAM and your pagefile |
| 10:55.34 | Motive | either buy more ram or bitch about your OS |
| 10:55.34 | Motive | kthx |
| 10:55.41 | Agouti | logic means nothing to stewox |
| 10:55.41 | Stewox | the sc2 forum is also crappy , yeh im bitching , but i can't find the thread since the search function is broken totally |
| 10:55.43 | Agouti | by the by |
| 10:55.43 | Skittles | hmm |
| 10:55.48 | Motive | also, Galaxy 101 tutorial written: http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/galaxy-scripting-and-trigger-lib/16195-galaxy-101/ |
| 10:55.54 | Agouti | nice |
| 10:56.01 | Motive | I plan on adding more to it but it's good for now |
| 10:56.04 | Motive | basics on how I learned :P |
| 10:56.09 | Agouti | I'm still trying to convince myself why I need to write this ability in the DRE |
| 10:56.11 | Agouti | *DE |
| 10:56.22 | Skittles | lol |
| 10:56.23 | Motive | DE is nice if you know how to use it |
| 10:56.27 | Motive | faster than Galaxy anyways. |
| 10:56.27 | Agouti | it's proving to be quite difficult, and would be trivial with GE |
| 10:56.39 | Agouti | yeah, I prefer data for everything |
| 10:56.41 | Agouti | some things though |
| 10:56.56 | Agouti | seem more effort than they are worth |
| 10:57.09 | Stewox | looks like nobody has seen blizzcon here |
| 10:57.28 | Agouti | and what would you base that statement on? |
| 10:57.31 | Motive | nothing |
| 10:57.32 | Motive | :P |
| 10:57.33 | Motive | b |
| 10:57.34 | Motive | brb |
| 10:57.57 | Stewox | you don't have to explain me about the memory , im just saying |
| 10:58.05 | Stewox | i know everything already |
| 10:58.11 | Agouti | riiiiiight. |
| 10:58.15 | Agouti | everything. |
| 10:58.19 | Stewox | you are taking the wrong context |
| 10:58.39 | Agouti | if you say so, you do know everything |
| 10:59.03 | Motive | I'm on OS X and SC2 uses pretty much all of my RAM but all things considered it's really not that bad compared to other games. |
| 10:59.13 | Motive | also it scales fairly well. an 8 player game doesn't really hurt my ram more than 2 player one |
| 10:59.34 | Motive | I can still run a browser or iTunes in the background, as well as my IM client |
| 10:59.36 | Stewox | i bitch about the fact that i had to spent 60 Euros on 2 GB more than i would need to , and the fact that every other game worked with 4 GB without pagefile , but SC2 is the only game that didn't work , that's serious |
| 10:59.37 | Agouti | I play 12 player games on my map, and it runs flawlessly |
| 10:59.46 | Agouti | nobody forced you to buy the game |
| 10:59.48 | Motive | I have 4 GB of RAM and SC2 runs fine |
| 10:59.51 | Motive | tweak your OS settings |
| 10:59.51 | Motive | g |
| 10:59.55 | Motive | get rid of startup shit |
| 10:59.57 | Motive | problem solved. |
| 11:00.02 | Agouti | if you had less than 4, you needed more ram anyway |
| 11:00.02 | Stewox | i did |
| 11:00.03 | Agouti | QQ |
| 11:00.14 | Motive | I can play SC2 on 2GB of RAM on my mac mini fine too |
| 11:00.15 | Motive | :P |
| 11:00.18 | Stewox | i have 6 , now that i spent a lot of cash |
| 11:00.26 | Agouti | I have 8 |
| 11:00.27 | Stewox | 6 GB memory without pagefile , works fine of course |
| 11:00.28 | Agouti | meh |
| 11:00.34 | Stewox | but it didn't with 4 |
| 11:00.37 | Motive | you're doing something wrong. that's all I can tell you. |
| 11:00.41 | Agouti | you should not be running without a pagefile, regardless |
| 11:00.45 | Stewox | so i spent 120 Euros to play SC2 |
| 11:00.59 | Motive | maybe you have a cheap video card and the graphics are getting swapped in and out of RAM |
| 11:01.05 | Stewox | no |
| 11:01.20 | Agouti | maybe you just like to bitch endlessly |
| 11:01.29 | Stewox | here are my settings , i have all in macro keys for fast posing on forum , ... i'll paste here now |
| 11:01.37 | Stewox | Custom PC, Advanced! , virus clean, defragmented, very well managed. |
| 11:01.38 | Stewox | Win7 x64 ultimate |
| 11:01.38 | Stewox | NOD 32 Antivirus 4.0 |
| 11:01.39 | Stewox | Using Xfire (gaming &chat program) |
| 11:01.40 | Stewox | CPU: Intel Q9300 2.5ghz stock |
| 11:01.40 | Stewox | GPU: Sapphire ATI Radeon HD4870 512MB |
| 11:01.44 | Agouti | <Stewox> greed ; resticting free region on a basis that it doesn't work because of some issues , but then allowing if you buy it's copy is DECEPTION , the stupid paid services like name change , characther transfer , for fucking 15 dollars for a guy to just do 3 clicks , |
| 11:01.45 | Stewox | PSU: Enermax 620W Liberty DXX |
| 11:01.45 | Stewox | APU: Asus Xonar D1 PCI |
| 11:01.47 | Stewox | HDD: Western Digital Caviar Black 1000GB 64MB cache SATA3 (WD1002FAEX) |
| 11:01.48 | Stewox | RAM: 6GB - Corsair Dominator 1066mhz DDR2 CL5 |
| 11:01.49 | Stewox | MOBO: Gigabyte P35-DS4 rev2.1 Bios-F14 |
| 11:01.51 | Stewox | KEY: MS SideWinder X4 |
| 11:01.53 | Stewox | MAU: MS SideWinderTM (latest, similar to X5) |
| 11:01.53 | Stewox | SND: Logitech X-540 5.1 Sorround System |
| 11:01.54 | Stewox | Settings Tweaks: |
| 11:01.55 | Stewox | - No Pagefile (HDD virtual memory disabled) |
| 11:01.59 | Stewox | - No Readyboot (not readyboost) - a kind of prefetcher working at boot* |
| 11:01.59 | Stewox | - No Superfetch |
| 11:01.59 | Stewox | - UAC disabled |
| 11:02.00 | Stewox | Registery Tweaks: |
| 11:02.00 | Stewox | -optimized memory management |
| 11:02.01 | Stewox | -Prefetcher disabled |
| 11:02.01 | Stewox | Service Tweaks: |
| 11:02.02 | Stewox | - Homegroup Disabled |
| 11:02.02 | Stewox | - Win Defender disabled |
| 11:02.03 | Stewox | - Win Firewall disabled |
| 11:02.04 | Stewox | - Win Search disabled (all indexing) |
| 11:02.06 | Stewox | - Win Update disabled (manual updates every month) |
| 11:02.14 | Agouti | why on earth would you disable superfetch |
| 11:02.16 | Stewox | ... thats's the specs |
| 11:02.21 | Agouti | seriously? |
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| 11:02.34 | Stewox | seriously |
| 11:02.37 | Agouti | name 3 reasons why superfetch is bad. |
| 11:02.43 | Gohla | Because people only want to use 10% of their memory, or else they go crazy and think their pc is slow |
| 11:02.49 | Agouti | -.- |
| 11:03.18 | Stewox | ... i already figured out the mapped or standby memory |
| 11:03.31 | Agouti | so? |
| 11:03.40 | Agouti | name 3 reasons why superfetch is bad. |
| 11:03.48 | Stewox | at first i thought it was an OS fault that's causing the sc2 to freeze / run out of mem |
| 11:03.50 | Agouti | even 1 would surprise me |
| 11:04.06 | Agouti | ... and you solution was superfetch? |
| 11:04.10 | Agouti | that says a lot. |
| 11:04.11 | Stewox | i don't need superfetch , because the HDD is too good anyways |
| 11:04.17 | Agouti | riiiight |
| 11:04.37 | Agouti | your hdd totally has a read speed of a few GB/sec? |
| 11:04.41 | Agouti | nice. |
| 11:05.00 | Agouti | let me know where you pick them up |
| 11:05.29 | Stewox | that kind of stuff is just not usable for me , sorry , i've done a lot of research and that's the reasonin , it was 5 months ago so .... i frogot the major thing but i know i solved that ultimately it's the SC2 it self that was faulty |
| 11:05.46 | Stewox | 110 MB/S |
| 11:05.51 | Stewox | maxes out approx |
| 11:06.13 | Agouti | well, you have utterly failed to convince me that blizzard is an evil money grubbing corporation |
| 11:06.33 | Agouti | so the best part of an hour later |
| 11:06.37 | Agouti | it is time for you to drop it |
| 11:06.40 | Agouti | kthx |
| 11:07.04 | Stewox | i thought of RAID0 , but i wasn't into making it , needs time and nerves , i already set up RAID0 for my brother for the first time ever , and i was researching this thing , because of some stupid mistakes i had to reinstall win7 3 times hahah , then i got it working great |
| 11:07.10 | Motive | Lol |
| 11:07.17 | Agouti | O___o |
| 11:07.18 | Motive | SC2 has many problems but performance on Windows is not among them. |
| 11:07.27 | Stewox | yes it is |
| 11:07.32 | Stewox | performance is the biggest thing |
| 11:07.33 | Agouti | no, no it isn't |
| 11:07.36 | Motive | tell that to the 1.5 million people online w/o problems yesterday afternoon |
| 11:07.43 | Motive | majority of them on windows |
| 11:07.48 | Motive | some on OS X that's even worse, and they're fine, like me. |
| 11:07.51 | Motive | it's you. |
| 11:07.52 | Gohla | SC2 runs fine on my 3.5 year old pc :p |
| 11:07.53 | Agouti | oh, he will |
| 11:07.56 | Agouti | at great length |
| 11:08.01 | Stewox | i have no other crashes or big bugs , the technical support forum is full of noobs with crapy PCs , not real bugs |
| 11:08.16 | Agouti | then, crazy thought: drop it already |
| 11:08.25 | Skittles | sigh |
| 11:08.28 | Motive | Is it possible some of your RAM is bad? |
| 11:08.30 | Agouti | ? |
| 11:08.31 | Stewox | plus , bitching about blizz , Eu's forums are so lonely , and no Bug section |
| 11:08.31 | Motive | You said you bought 2 GB |
| 11:08.32 | Skittles | 56x56 map is giving me 4fps |
| 11:08.34 | Motive | The other 4 could be bad. :P |
| 11:08.36 | Stewox | no it's not bad |
| 11:08.39 | Motive | That could make the OS use swap |
| 11:08.42 | Motive | Run memtest86? |
| 11:08.44 | Motive | Worth a shot |
| 11:08.49 | Stewox | it's corsair 1066 running at 800 mhz |
| 11:08.55 | Motive | that has nothing to do with it |
| 11:08.56 | Agouti | so? |
| 11:08.57 | Motive | even corsair can go bad |
| 11:08.58 | Motive | test the ram |
| 11:08.59 | Stewox | tested for whole night |
| 11:09.05 | Agouti | with? |
| 11:09.21 | *** join/#sc2mapster ekcolnovkol (ekcolnovko@pool-98-116-32-151.nycmny.east.verizon.net) |
| 11:09.23 | ekcolnovkol | sixen |
| 11:09.26 | Agouti | .... with? |
| 11:09.27 | Stewox | i don't need to test the ram guys , it's working now , im just saying , im not whining |
| 11:09.27 | Motive | Also how did you identify your HD as the performance bottleneck again? |
| 11:09.35 | Motive | Did you test the ram? |
| 11:09.42 | Motive | If not, do so. |
| 11:09.47 | Stewox | ofcourse the HDD is the bottlneck |
| 11:09.53 | Motive | A quick run through will only take an hour at most. |
| 11:09.54 | ekcolnovkol | ~seen sixen |
| 11:10.00 | purl | sixen is currently on #sc2mapster #wowhead #wowuidev. Has said a total of 6 messages. Is idling for 2h 21s, last said: 'I need a computerrrrrrrrrrrr'. |
| 11:10.00 | ekcolnovkol | !seen sixen |
| 11:10.00 | Motive | You don't need the whole night. |
| 11:10.00 | ekcolnovkol | damnit |
| 11:10.00 | Agouti | <Stewox> i don't need superfetch , because the HDD is too good anyways |
| 11:10.09 | ekcolnovkol | 2 hours? |
| 11:10.09 | ekcolnovkol | rage |
| 11:10.12 | Motive | even if your HD is a solidstate, it won't be as good as RAM |
| 11:10.15 | ekcolnovkol | fine, no news for uuu |
| 11:10.25 | Stewox | if you had a 5 year old hdd , superfetch might be usable |
| 11:10.27 | Agouti | NO NOOZ? |
| 11:10.30 | ekcolnovkol | NO NOOZ |
| 11:10.34 | Agouti | D: ! |
| 11:10.35 | ekcolnovkol | HOOP DOODLE |
| 11:10.47 | Agouti | I CAN HAZ SAD D:! |
| 11:10.50 | Stewox | yes motive |
| 11:11.00 | XenoX101 | halo |
| 11:11.09 | Agouti | stewox, please, just be quiet |
| 11:11.17 | Agouti | hallo xen |
| 11:11.17 | Stewox | i only ran for 45 mins to test settings, but the night burn was to test the shit out of them , no errors |
| 11:11.27 | Motive | If you want to test it more thoroughly I suggest you just swap out pieces of hardware one by one. because something's not right and I doubt it's SC2 |
| 11:11.28 | XenoX101 | are heal spells easy to make? |
| 11:11.35 | Agouti | yes |
| 11:11.37 | Motive | at best, figure out which piece of hardware is the issue and then send Blizzard a report on that. |
| 11:11.42 | XenoX101 | awesome |
| 11:11.46 | Agouti | modify unit, vitals, +20 |
| 11:11.48 | Agouti | or w/e |
| 11:11.57 | Agouti | periodics are the go |
| 11:12.14 | XenoX101 | hm |
| 11:12.17 | XenoX101 | I could just copy medic |
| 11:12.25 | Stewox | i had very little crashes anyways , since the release , the memory problems were in the beta , but when Retail released i already got 6 GB |
| 11:12.39 | Agouti | Riiiiight, so now |
| 11:12.42 | Agouti | so now |
| 11:12.45 | Agouti | the big problems |
| 11:12.48 | Stewox | i know about memory , it's very sensetive |
| 11:12.49 | Motive | SC2 doesn't even use 4 GB for me, it's not your RAM if you tested it, etc. |
| 11:12.51 | Agouti | were in a beta version of the game |
| 11:12.54 | XenoX101 | wow, there is literally a 'create healer' effect |
| 11:12.55 | XenoX101 | too easy |
| 11:12.56 | Agouti | you do realize |
| 11:12.58 | XenoX101 | I'll just make the ability |
| 11:13.00 | Agouti | what beta means |
| 11:13.03 | Agouti | don't you? |
| 11:13.07 | Agouti | BETA. |
| 11:13.09 | Stewox | im talking about the total OS use and total memory installed , not talking about exe |
| 11:13.14 | Agouti | BETA. |
| 11:13.28 | Agouti | the OS will aim to use 100% |
| 11:13.34 | Motive | even w/ SC2 Editor, adium, iTunes, Safari, and SC2, I don't swap |
| 11:13.37 | Motive | o_o |
| 11:13.37 | Agouti | what the ehll is the point of unused ram? |
| 11:13.39 | Agouti | ^ |
| 11:13.44 | Stewox | doesn't matter , if i take 2 GB out , and try 4 GB now , it will do the same thing , because , that's exactly what i did in september |
| 11:13.53 | Stewox | ago |
| 11:13.56 | Stewox | that's another thing |
| 11:14.04 | Agouti | I have left sc2 running, paused, in SP, to place BC2 |
| 11:14.08 | Agouti | and had 0 issues |
| 11:14.10 | Stewox | that's standby memory , it's win7 thing, it has nothing to do with SC2 |
| 11:14.13 | Agouti | play* |
| 11:14.16 | XenoX101 | god damnit, why cant anything in GE be simple |
| 11:14.21 | XenoX101 | the medic heal actors use sites :( |
| 11:14.31 | Agouti | just use a periodic -,- |
| 11:14.36 | Helral|Work | hmmm I have win7 home edition x64. couldn't see anything usefull in the win7 ultimate version. only things that slow down the pc... |
| 11:14.37 | Agouti | or |
| 11:14.42 | Agouti | targeted effect |
| 11:14.49 | Agouti | +1 helral |
| 11:14.59 | Agouti | cept I got prof for free, so meg |
| 11:15.01 | Agouti | *meh |
| 11:15.08 | XenoX101 | no its not the effect I'm worried about |
| 11:15.09 | XenoX101 | its the actors |
| 11:15.36 | Motive | I don't think it's your HD anyways |
| 11:15.37 | Agouti | Motive: would you be able to help with an ability I'm trying to make? |
| 11:15.41 | Stewox | that's because you have 8 gb plus probably 8 gb of pagefile , ofcoruse you do a lot with 16 gb of logical space , but your HDD is swapping and it makes shitload of lag by just using pagefile , unless you have a SSD of course |
| 11:15.44 | Motive | What exactly is SC2 using that's heavy on HD? |
| 11:15.48 | Motive | other than a loading screen |
| 11:15.50 | Motive | sure agouti |
| 11:15.53 | Motive | I'm not a data person but I can try |
| 11:15.54 | Motive | Lol |
| 11:15.58 | Agouti | oh |
| 11:16.00 | Agouti | ok |
| 11:16.28 | Agouti | well, I have an ability that creates an uncontrollable scout, which is fired in a given direction, and travels until it hits the edge of the map |
| 11:16.33 | Stewox | Sc2 loads some files in middle of the game , needing HDD , it's also writting a lot of logs , especially when crash happens it lags for some secs |
| 11:16.35 | Agouti | the scout is just an observer |
| 11:16.42 | XenoX101 | omg the medic heal uses 7 actors |
| 11:16.44 | XenoX101 | cries |
| 11:16.46 | Agouti | I'm thinking the best way is doing it as a missile |
| 11:16.55 | Motive | that would make sense, yes. |
| 11:17.05 | Agouti | something like http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/tutorials/10948-data-simple-one-shot-linear-attacks/ |
| 11:17.16 | Agouti | but it needs to have like 300 range |
| 11:17.19 | Stewox | ofcoruse it's not my HDD |
| 11:17.22 | Agouti | and doesn't need a search |
| 11:17.42 | Agouti | I think it *should* be possible with merely an offset of some sort |
| 11:17.54 | Agouti | it just feels like there should be a simple solution |
| 11:18.16 | XenoX101 | yeah blizz fucked up with missiles badly, this should be much easier than it is |
| 11:18.19 | Agouti | instead of resorting to periodics |
| 11:18.45 | XenoX101 | the fact that they use a persistent offset for their raynor snipe ability shows their inefficiency in this respect |
| 11:18.55 | Agouti | mmm |
| 11:19.06 | Motive | well this looks complicated. Lol |
| 11:19.09 | XenoX101 | why they couldn't just add a few properties to the missile to let it cruise indefinitely |
| 11:19.10 | Agouti | ^ |
| 11:19.17 | XenoX101 | excapes me |
| 11:19.19 | XenoX101 | escapes* |
| 11:19.24 | Motive | Well I can tell you an easier way to do it, if you feel like using some triggers. |
| 11:19.26 | Motive | LOL |
| 11:19.30 | Agouti | I hah |
| 11:19.31 | Agouti | yeah |
| 11:19.37 | Agouti | hence my comment about |
| 11:19.37 | Stewox | you can check this if you wonder how i researched that the memory problem was SC2 it self |
| 11:19.39 | Motive | Can't you just Launch Missile effect with a Target Point being off the map? |
| 11:19.40 | Stewox | http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=129069&highlight=starcraft |
| 11:19.53 | Agouti | but how would I define the target point? |
| 11:20.28 | Motive | that I dunno D: |
| 11:20.51 | Motive | I'm not a data person and that's beyond me sadly |
| 11:21.02 | Motive | @Stewox: Task Manager. Use it. Why bother with these programs at all? |
| 11:21.26 | Motive | make sure the timings on the RAM are right, frequency, etc |
| 11:21.42 | Agouti | (cough bios cough) |
| 11:21.42 | Motive | and I don't recommend disabling the pagefile anyways |
| 11:21.48 | Agouti | ^ +1 |
| 11:21.50 | Motive | storing for example, a webpage in pagefile is harmless |
| 11:21.52 | Stewox | didn't you see the thread |
| 11:21.56 | Motive | the OS is intelligent |
| 11:22.01 | Motive | it knows what can be put in a pagefile and what can't |
| 11:22.30 | Stewox | im not asking for help , im just talking about it that i solved it > with buying more ram spending 60 E ... ago made a big deal out of this |
| 11:22.42 | Motive | well |
| 11:22.42 | Agouti | yeah, all me. |
| 11:22.43 | Motive | that was a waste |
| 11:22.52 | Motive | turn on the pagefile, you put your useless/low demand memory into the HD |
| 11:22.53 | Motive | a |
| 11:22.54 | XenoX101 | Agouti |
| 11:22.55 | Agouti | nono motive, it was all me |
| 11:22.57 | XenoX101 | I know a way you can do it |
| 11:22.57 | Motive | and SC2 uses most of your RAM |
| 11:22.58 | Agouti | alll of it |
| 11:22.58 | XenoX101 | but its a pain |
| 11:23.02 | Motive | problem solved. |
| 11:23.11 | Agouti | I don't like pains xen :( |
| 11:23.11 | XenoX101 | Agouti |
| 11:23.14 | XenoX101 | well |
| 11:23.17 | XenoX101 | what you can do is |
| 11:23.22 | XenoX101 | create a unit where the target is |
| 11:23.31 | XenoX101 | use triggers to find the angle from the unit |
| 11:23.34 | XenoX101 | err, from your caster |
| 11:23.38 | Stewox | that help would be appreciated motive , hoever that's everything i needed to do , so ... it was from the begging of beta to september , in which i also reformated WIn7 |
| 11:23.39 | XenoX101 | then fire the missile in that angle |
| 11:23.49 | Motive | I have 108 MB in swap right now and 2 GB of physical RAM unallocated. |
| 11:23.51 | XenoX101 | or something like that |
| 11:23.53 | Agouti | if I'm using triggers, I won't bother with complicated data stuff |
| 11:23.55 | Motive | the OS knows how to handle it's swap :P |
| 11:24.10 | Stewox | yeah motive , that's the theory |
| 11:24.14 | Motive | no it's fact |
| 11:24.31 | Motive | the OS kernel can determine what is going to be used real-time and what's not being used |
| 11:24.32 | Stewox | microsoft doesn't do as they talk ... infact , it's not built for performance only |
| 11:24.42 | Motive | windows 7 is a good, solid OS. |
| 11:24.53 | Motive | contrary to fanboy hate, it's a good system. |
| 11:24.54 | Helral|Work | unlike vista ;p |
| 11:24.56 | Agouti | hey stewox: how about you go make a better OS, and a better version of SC2, then talk some more |
| 11:24.59 | Motive | just because it's microsoft doesn't mean it's shit. |
| 11:25.04 | Stewox | ... i've already digested this , all these theories , they unfortunately don't work in practise |
| 11:25.20 | Motive | Microsoft made a very respectable OS with Windows 7, and most technically qualified individuals agree. |
| 11:25.26 | Agouti | pfft vista was win7 beta |
| 11:25.36 | Agouti | I have been exceptionally happy with win7 |
| 11:25.41 | Agouti | stable, fast |
| 11:25.49 | Agouti | runs like a dream even on pretty low end systems |
| 11:25.57 | Agouti | whats not to like |
| 11:25.58 | Motive | This is why I hate the OS wars. Pretty much all of the major OSes do their job well. :P |
| 11:26.06 | Stewox | yes , but the theory of pagefile is not working the way it's explained in various sites .... and microsoft , it's actually making more HDD lag and making other sideeffects |
| 11:26.14 | Agouti | riiight |
| 11:26.25 | Motive | then it's something else on your computer. an application, a virus, something. |
| 11:26.26 | Agouti | ofc stewox you know better than 95% of tech people out there |
| 11:26.38 | Stewox | Win7 is an OS which you need to tweak to run effectively |
| 11:26.40 | Motive | or your hardware. |
| 11:26.44 | Motive | That's not true. |
| 11:26.46 | Agouti | sure it is stewox |
| 11:26.52 | Stewox | i posted my hardware , that's not the issue anymore |
| 11:26.58 | Motive | My Mac Mini runs Windows 7 w/ Starcraft 2 on 2 GB of RAM with no issues, even while swapping to the HD. |
| 11:27.10 | Motive | Therefore either you are wrong or you are wrong. |
| 11:27.13 | Stewox | the fact is that you don't believe me ony anything with this rationale attitude , i wouldn't be posting if i wouldn't be sure |
| 11:27.21 | Agouti | Motive> My Mac Mini runs Windows 7 w/ Starcraft 2 on 2 GB of RAM with no issues, even while swapping to the HD. |
| 11:27.22 | Agouti | <Motive> Therefore either you are wrong or you are wrong. |
| 11:27.23 | Agouti | READ. |
| 11:27.30 | Agouti | that is as rational as you can get |
| 11:27.33 | Agouti | EVIDENCE. |
| 11:27.35 | Stewox | You have a mac |
| 11:27.36 | Agouti | PROOF. |
| 11:27.38 | *** join/#sc2mapster Jiiks (~jiiks@dsl-mlibrasgw2-feaadd00-163.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 11:27.41 | Motive | also it has a shared video card :P |
| 11:27.44 | Agouti | .... and? |
| 11:27.44 | Motive | so vram is in RAM too |
| 11:27.47 | Helral|Work | Stewox: you said you had pagefile problem right? how many HDD's do you have? |
| 11:27.55 | Agouti | what has being a mac got to do with anything. |
| 11:27.58 | Stewox | that's like having an iphone and talking you know better about something to an android pro |
| 11:28.04 | Agouti | o god |
| 11:28.06 | Motive | it's running windows, stewox. |
| 11:28.06 | Agouti | READ |
| 11:28.07 | Agouti | Motive> My Mac Mini runs Windows 7 w/ Starcraft 2 on 2 GB of RAM with no issues, even while swapping to the HD. |
| 11:28.08 | Agouti | <Motive> Therefore either you are wrong or you are wrong. |
| 11:28.08 | Agouti | Motive> My Mac Mini runs Windows 7 w/ Starcraft 2 on 2 GB of RAM with no issues, even while swapping to the HD. |
| 11:28.08 | Agouti | <Motive> Therefore either you are wrong or you are wrong. |
| 11:28.09 | Agouti | Motive> My Mac Mini runs Windows 7 w/ Starcraft 2 on 2 GB of RAM with no issues, even while swapping to the HD. |
| 11:28.12 | Agouti | <Motive> Therefore either you are wrong or you are wrong. |
| 11:28.14 | Agouti | READ |
| 11:28.15 | Stewox | okay |
| 11:28.16 | Agouti | RUNNING |
| 11:28.18 | Agouti | WINDOWD |
| 11:28.19 | Motive | I've used both Windows 7 and Mac OS X. |
| 11:28.20 | Agouti | 7 |
| 11:28.24 | Agouti | omfg |
| 11:28.25 | Motive | I use Mac OS X mainly now, but I used to run on 7. |
| 11:28.25 | XenoX101 | I have an idea Agouti |
| 11:28.29 | Agouti | ooo |
| 11:28.31 | Motive | They both have their strengths. |
| 11:28.31 | XenoX101 | the teleport effect |
| 11:28.32 | Agouti | i like your ideas |
| 11:28.37 | Motive | Neither have game-breaking problems. |
| 11:28.38 | XenoX101 | it allows you to set range |
| 11:28.42 | Stewox | MAC with a WIndows is not MAC at all |
| 11:28.47 | Motive | exactly, it's windows. |
| 11:28.47 | XenoX101 | what you can do is |
| 11:28.50 | Stewox | facepalm to my self hahah that was funny |
| 11:28.53 | XenoX101 | set a target with the teleport effect |
| 11:28.56 | Stewox | ago |
| 11:28.57 | XenoX101 | then on the missile |
| 11:29.01 | Motive | Macs and PCs run the same x86-64 hardware. |
| 11:29.05 | Stewox | that's the funnies thing i ever saw today |
| 11:29.08 | Agouti | not interested stew, you are blocked |
| 11:29.09 | XenoX101 | put "Target - (Teleport Effect): Target Point" |
| 11:29.18 | Helral|Work | Stewox: you said you had pagefile problem right? how many HDD's do you have? |
| 11:29.20 | XenoX101 | you can link to targets of effects |
| 11:29.25 | Motive | he said he has RAID 0, Helral |
| 11:29.28 | XenoX101 | I did so with my obelisk initially |
| 11:29.29 | Stewox | nope |
| 11:29.30 | Helral|Work | ah |
| 11:29.31 | Motive | or tried it |
| 11:29.32 | Motive | I believe. |
| 11:29.33 | XenoX101 | so that might work |
| 11:29.38 | Stewox | i didn't do a RAID0 |
| 11:29.43 | Motive | I thought you did, my bad. |
| 11:29.45 | Agouti | he go scared by it |
| 11:29.47 | Agouti | he said |
| 11:29.49 | XenoX101 | if you can set a teleport target at the edge of the map |
| 11:29.50 | Stewox | so i bought WD1002FAEX Sata 3 |
| 11:29.55 | XenoX101 | and get the missile to use that target |
| 11:30.02 | Helral|Work | so how many HDD's do you have then Stewox: only 1? |
| 11:30.09 | Stewox | i was thinking about RAID0 , 2x 500 |
| 11:30.18 | Agouti | hmmm, still seems far uglier than needed |
| 11:30.20 | Stewox | but i choosed 1 TB WD caviar black sata 3 |
| 11:30.22 | Stewox | 1 |
| 11:30.25 | XenoX101 | well Agouti |
| 11:30.30 | XenoX101 | since there are no tutorials |
| 11:30.32 | XenoX101 | to show otherwise |
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| 11:30.35 | Agouti | yeah |
| 11:30.36 | XenoX101 | and freaking blizzard |
| 11:30.36 | Helral|Work | ok then that's prolly why your pagefile might be causing problems. |
| 11:30.39 | XenoX101 | have gone the offset route |
| 11:30.39 | Agouti | trigger time I think |
| 11:30.42 | XenoX101 | lol |
| 11:30.45 | XenoX101 | this data way |
| 11:30.46 | XenoX101 | is easier |
| 11:30.49 | Stewox | why about HDD ? |
| 11:30.51 | XenoX101 | I might try it for you |
| 11:30.54 | XenoX101 | since I have a missile already |
| 11:30.55 | Helral|Work | I've got at least 2 HDDs. 1 with the pagefile, the other with the games. |
| 11:31.00 | Stewox | hdd doesn't matter , it's only about loading speed ... |
| 11:31.02 | Agouti | xen@2pro.com |
| 11:31.08 | XenoX101 | lol |
| 11:31.09 | Helral|Work | so basicly I don't have read/write to the same HDD. |
| 11:31.15 | Stewox | i have 2 partitions |
| 11:31.16 | Helral|Work | for both pagefile and the game. |
| 11:31.24 | Agouti | ^ is what I have done |
| 11:31.32 | Helral|Work | doesn't matter Stewox. the data goes through the same channel for 1 HDD. |
| 11:31.32 | Agouti | pagefile on the movie disc |
| 11:31.50 | Agouti | but my hdd light almost never even comes on |
| 11:31.51 | Motive | also, I read your thread on techpowerup, Stewox, and most of the posters there seem to agree that the pagefile is a good thing. I'd recommend just trying a stock setup with 1 HD and see how that goes. |
| 11:31.58 | Agouti | windows knows what I use, it's all cached |
| 11:32.43 | Agouti | superfetch actually does a better job than a ram drive |
| 11:32.53 | Agouti | by just a smidgeon |
| 11:32.57 | Helral|Work | anyway I would actually be surprised if it does matter though, since the data transfer should be like several mb/s. |
| 11:33.13 | Agouti | (pssst, wrong prefix) |
| 11:33.26 | Helral|Work | I know ;p |
| 11:33.28 | Motive | also, stewox, you wrote that the swap file is constantly being recreated/deleted every 10 minutes |
| 11:33.32 | Helral|Work | didn't feel like capitalizing. |
| 11:33.33 | Motive | this could cause problems depending on the size of the swap file. |
| 11:33.37 | Motive | large files = bad! |
| 11:33.47 | Motive | though admittedly, I don't know much about how windows handles this |
| 11:33.53 | Agouti | I want something that uses millibits |
| 11:33.57 | Agouti | cos that would be epic |
| 11:33.59 | Stewox | pagefile is totally disabled on my PC , because i have personal reasons , i was 5 years noob with an AMD 3000+ OEM super-crap walmart PC , ... i had no idea back then , that's why i see the point now , when i disabled pagefile , the system was responsible , no more right-click lag and stupid shortcut loadings ... that was from XP times , Xp was so sloow on pagefile |
| 11:34.01 | Helral|Work | :P |
| 11:34.15 | Motive | " |
| 11:34.15 | Motive | One note: it slowly increases by time , .... you have to keep emptying it. 10 min and it's 70mb" |
| 11:34.17 | Motive | your words not mine :P |
| 11:34.26 | Stewox | motive , those people have no idea .... those are casuals |
| 11:34.35 | Agouti | stewox constantly contradicts himself |
| 11:34.39 | Agouti | no point quoting |
| 11:34.41 | Motive | if you're constantly deleting and recreating the swap file, you're not creating a 70 MB file, you're creating a few GB of file. |
| 11:34.44 | Stewox | TPU is a good site with , but also popular so .... not everyone knows everything |
| 11:34.59 | Motive | it allocates a few GB file or so and then manages the contiguous data inside of it. |
| 11:34.59 | Motive | s |
| 11:35.04 | Agouti | unlike you, isn't that right, stewox? |
| 11:35.05 | Stewox | i don't have pagefile.sys on my system |
| 11:35.07 | Motive | so if you delete the file... the OS has to reallocate and find contiguous HD |
| 11:35.09 | Motive | exactly! |
| 11:35.12 | Motive | but windows is constantly recreating it |
| 11:35.15 | Motive | and it's a HUGE file! |
| 11:35.22 | Stewox | why ? |
| 11:35.28 | Motive | because that's how windows works |
| 11:35.35 | Stewox | it doesn't make another one |
| 11:35.36 | Helral|Work | windows vista had a pagefile problem, xp might also have had it. windows 7 I haven't found a problem with it so far. |
| 11:35.40 | Motive | you can never completely disable the pagefile . think about it for a moment. |
| 11:35.50 | Motive | you run out of RAM. the kernel needs to get a few bytes to figure out what to do |
| 11:35.52 | Motive | what does it do? |
| 11:35.53 | Motive | swapfile! |
| 11:35.58 | Agouti | wonders if stewox even knows... |
| 11:35.59 | Motive | otherwise you just die on a BSOD, or worse |
| 11:36.01 | Stewox | it freezes the PC motive |
| 11:36.04 | Motive | exactly! |
| 11:36.05 | Helral|Work | Motive: you actually can turn off the pagefile. |
| 11:36.13 | Agouti | illusion of |
| 11:36.14 | Stewox | motive |
| 11:36.18 | Stewox | i did a ton of research |
| 11:36.25 | Stewox | the myth of a hidden pagefile is false |
| 11:36.25 | Helral|Work | if the pc runs out of memory it becomes either very very slow. or it crashes. |
| 11:36.30 | Motive | I dunno about Windows 7 swap. but from what I'm reading it constantly recreates the swap file. |
| 11:36.43 | Motive | which makes sense just so that you can always have available memory in an emergency |
| 11:37.06 | Agouti | motive, stewox is the very worst breed of noob, the type that are convinced they know EVERYTHING. |
| 11:37.18 | Agouti | I've seen it with cars |
| 11:37.22 | Agouti | disasters ensue |
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| 11:37.33 | Agouti | btw |
| 11:37.39 | Agouti | stewox has been arguing for |
| 11:37.46 | Stewox | not slow for me , it just freezes , and that's something normally expected , it was also , very slow in a few 10 seconds , just enought time for me to alt tab out to windows and save screeshots of taks manager memory ... i have like tons of screenshot |
| 11:37.47 | Agouti | nearly 1.5 hours |
| 11:37.47 | Agouti | now |
| 11:37.50 | Motive | http://superuser.com/questions/14795/windows-swap-page-file-enable-or-disable |
| 11:37.55 | Motive | second response with 8 votes |
| 11:37.59 | Motive | "Removing pagefile entirely can cause more disk thrashing." |
| 11:38.17 | Stewox | that's is webshit |
| 11:38.25 | Stewox | tons of that kind of sites on the web |
| 11:38.52 | Agouti | see? |
| 11:38.57 | Agouti | the worst kind. |
| 11:39.00 | Stewox | already searched , do you think i didn't put some hours into it , the hardest part is searching with google |
| 11:39.28 | Agouti | see, the thing is - there are sites saying both conflicting views. You disregard everything which does not agree with you |
| 11:39.30 | Agouti | now please |
| 11:39.34 | Agouti | for the love of god |
| 11:39.36 | Agouti | SHUT |
| 11:39.37 | Agouti | UP |
| 11:39.38 | Agouti | . |
| 11:39.38 | Stewox | you google it , you find only the popular stuff which is most cases not accurate at all , it's not protips |
| 11:39.40 | Agouti | 2 hours |
| 11:39.41 | Agouti | 2 |
| 11:39.42 | Agouti | hours |
| 11:39.44 | Agouti | stewox |
| 11:39.45 | Agouti | stfu |
| 11:39.49 | Stewox | lol |
| 11:40.09 | Stewox | this guy here was using the rationale from the get go , for what reason ? |
| 11:40.24 | Agouti | because he assumed you were capable of it. |
| 11:40.25 | Agouti | now |
| 11:40.26 | Agouti | s |
| 11:40.27 | Agouti | t |
| 11:40.27 | Agouti | f |
| 11:40.28 | Agouti | u |
| 11:40.31 | Stewox | lol |
| 11:40.34 | Helral|Work | Stewox: protips: doing this will speed up your pc, but you'll need to have this specific setup for it to work...... |
| 11:40.45 | Helral|Work | not really usefull most of those tips. |
| 11:40.49 | Agouti | please don't encourage it |
| 11:40.56 | Stewox | ofcourse , i tweaked the hell out of win7 |
| 11:41.01 | Helral|Work | exactly. |
| 11:41.08 | Helral|Work | we didn't and we are running sc2 fine. |
| 11:41.25 | Helral|Work | so where would the problem probably lie...... |
| 11:41.29 | Agouti | hmmmm |
| 11:41.31 | Agouti | I wonder |
| 11:41.38 | Stewox | ... that's something not a lot of people does .. or knows how to ... 90% of players aren't PC specialists |
| 11:41.38 | Agouti | damn it, logic is so hard |
| 11:41.48 | Agouti | you are among that 90% |
| 11:41.53 | Agouti | once again |
| 11:41.55 | Agouti | stfu. |
| 11:42.28 | Helral|Work | I'm a System Administrator, and a Software Engineer. I know that some settings will work in favor of speed, but they might ruin other stuff. |
| 11:42.52 | Stewox | you made motive to help me , he thought i got a problem , because of your spinning , so motive blame him for your waste of time |
| 11:43.02 | Agouti | no |
| 11:43.05 | Agouti | I blame the cause |
| 11:43.07 | Agouti | YOU. |
| 11:43.12 | Stewox | helral |
| 11:43.23 | Agouti | once again |
| 11:43.25 | Agouti | stfu. |
| 11:43.52 | Stewox | i also was in urge to lower the default ram consumtion of win7 , so pretty much disabling some functionality in services |
| 11:44.16 | Stewox | i've managed to get from 1100 MB to 700-800 MB at boot |
| 11:44.17 | Helral|Work | also funny stuff btw: disabling win7 aero gives quite a performance boost. |
| 11:44.50 | Motive | But aero is pretty :P |
| 11:44.52 | Helral|Work | hmmm let's see I don't shut down my pc, so I don't need to worry about boot-up speed. |
| 11:44.53 | Agouti | ^ |
| 11:45.03 | Stewox | yes , i found about that too , i would have disabled to see the memory gain , but i like it since it's a good thing for work , looks nice .. .etc |
| 11:45.04 | Agouti | I boot into dos |
| 11:45.12 | Motive | my laptop hasn't been shut down in 33 days |
| 11:45.12 | Motive | :| |
| 11:45.17 | Agouti | aww |
| 11:45.19 | Agouti | poor thing |
| 11:45.23 | Agouti | have you no heart? |
| 11:45.30 | Motive | nope |
| 11:45.35 | Agouti | laptops need their beauty sleep as well D': |
| 11:45.41 | Helral|Work | my pc hasn't been manually shutdown since August. |
| 11:45.41 | Motive | it gets to 100 celsius when SC2 is on and in a game. xD |
| 11:45.46 | Agouti | baha |
| 11:45.47 | Motive | poor beast. |
| 11:45.54 | Agouti | cleaned it recently? |
| 11:46.02 | Motive | Not the insides, nope. |
| 11:46.08 | Helral|Work | it ofcourse had it's windows upgrades which restarted it. |
| 11:46.09 | Agouti | those things gather dust and crap better than a vacuum cleaner bag |
| 11:46.14 | Motive | yeah |
| 11:46.22 | Motive | I've been meaning to do it but this laptop's already got some water damage |
| 11:46.22 | Motive | s |
| 11:46.27 | Helral|Work | which usually are applied when I'm either asleep or at work. |
| 11:46.35 | Motive | so I'm avoiding opening it up at all and just letting it sit. |
| 11:46.50 | Motive | for fear of making that existing problem worse. |
| 11:46.55 | Agouti | you shouldn't need to take much apart |
| 11:46.57 | Agouti | well |
| 11:46.59 | Agouti | correction |
| 11:46.59 | Motive | yeah it's easy |
| 11:47.04 | Agouti | it depends entirely on the mfg |
| 11:47.14 | Motive | buy some compressed air and have at it |
| 11:47.18 | Motive | and rubbing alcohol |
| 11:47.24 | Agouti | or that lol |
| 11:47.49 | Agouti | I had an acer that came in, needed the keyboard taken out and the CPU heatsink removed to clean the fan @___@ |
| 11:47.49 | Motive | I'm just thankful it still works. Lol |
| 11:48.02 | Motive | Bluetooth is broken :( |
| 11:48.06 | Agouti | aw :( |
| 11:48.06 | Motive | Poor thing. |
| 11:48.12 | Agouti | did you give it a hug? |
| 11:48.23 | Helral|Work | so anyone here with sc2editor stuff? |
| 11:48.23 | Helral|Work | also having a lot of stuff in my documents slows down windows pcs. |
| 11:48.24 | Motive | No, I left it in the car during below freezing weather though |
| 11:48.26 | Motive | does that count? |
| 11:48.27 | Agouti | maybe it's just a bit.... blue |
| 11:48.38 | Helral|Work | a bearhug |
| 11:48.40 | Agouti | giggles to himself |
| 11:49.00 | Agouti | I'm reading 5 pages back where Xen worked out a way to do my ability |
| 11:49.07 | Helral|Work | lol |
| 11:49.14 | Agouti | then trying to get my tired, tired brain to put it into practice |
| 11:49.18 | Motive | Apple wants $1700 or so to fix it, so I'll just buy a new one eventually. |
| 11:49.20 | Stewox | just a side note , ago , this whole thing was about from where i started whining about blizzard bnet , and ... are you a fanboy , because that kind of volent reactions you clearly matched them , people though to help me , but i didn't said i needed help , so ... can we get along and admit both mistakes, i admit i failed to provide evidence in time , but funnily , blaming bnet forum search function for being stupid , sorry , that i |
| 11:49.41 | Agouti | you failed to provide evidence at all |
| 11:49.42 | Motive | fuck paying $1700 to repair a $2200 laptop |
| 11:49.42 | Motive | xD |
| 11:49.51 | Motive | I'll just get the new generation 15" for the same price |
| 11:49.54 | Motive | and then I have two |
| 11:49.55 | Motive | :) |
| 11:50.00 | Agouti | lols |
| 11:50.18 | Agouti | can turn one into a media centre :D |
| 11:50.26 | Agouti | laptops make good MC's |
| 11:50.33 | Motive | nah, I hate dragging my laptop between the desk and bed for movies |
| 11:50.37 | Motive | I use it as a desktop 90% of the time |
| 11:50.41 | Motive | I'll just keep one as a desktop |
| 11:50.41 | Agouti | nono but you will have 2 |
| 11:50.42 | Motive | Lol |
| 11:50.45 | Stewox | the main thread is on bnet forums , i can't find it so why wont you fucking spare me all the rationalization |
| 11:50.45 | Agouti | oooh |
| 11:51.09 | Agouti | yeah being rational is a bitch aint it |
| 11:51.17 | Stewox | i searched for 10 times with 10 different phrases and doesn't find it |
| 11:51.19 | Agouti | worth trying some time though |
| 11:51.26 | Agouti | rational has a lot going for it |
| 11:51.28 | Agouti | now please |
| 11:51.30 | Agouti | stfu. |
| 11:51.51 | Agouti | motive: you should do the super pro thing |
| 11:51.55 | Agouti | have a desktop |
| 11:52.03 | Agouti | but put a remote screen + kb + mouse |
| 11:52.06 | Agouti | at the bedroom ;D |
| 11:52.17 | Stewox | point is , it's not my problem you can't understand it ... |
| 11:52.19 | Motive | Speaking of Rational |
| 11:52.22 | Motive | Great software, Rational Purify |
| 11:52.23 | Motive | http://www-01.ibm.com/software/awdtools/purify/ |
| 11:52.25 | Motive | :P |
| 11:52.47 | Motive | ooh good idea agouti :P |
| 11:53.06 | Agouti | I have that from the study to the loungeroom |
| 11:53.13 | Agouti | which incidentally are only a wall apart |
| 11:53.14 | Motive | OR |
| 11:53.14 | Agouti | but still! |
| 11:53.18 | Motive | I could make it into an awesome doorbell |
| 11:53.22 | Agouti | bahaha |
| 11:53.28 | Agouti | :O |
| 11:53.30 | Motive | hit the doorbell, send an ssh command to the macbook |
| 11:53.30 | Agouti | carputer! |
| 11:53.35 | Motive | say "Ding dong!" |
| 11:53.40 | Agouti | rofl |
| 11:53.42 | Motive | xD |
| 11:54.05 | Agouti | :O |
| 11:54.16 | Agouti | you should totally have a captcha test at your front door |
| 11:54.23 | Agouti | in case of terminator |
| 11:54.32 | Motive | I think the terminator can pass CAPTCHAs |
| 11:54.42 | Agouti | aww ;( |
| 11:54.43 | XenoX101 | Agouti, didn't work :( |
| 11:54.51 | Agouti | aww :( |
| 11:54.56 | Agouti | thanks for trying though <3 |
| 11:55.12 | Agouti | I think |
| 11:55.17 | Agouti | I will be a dirty, dirty tramp |
| 11:55.21 | Agouti | and do it in triggers |
| 11:55.37 | Motive | I've come to love Galaxy |
| 11:55.45 | Motive | When I first started out, I hated it's lack of pointers and stuff |
| 11:55.47 | Agouti | that way I can also (if I work out how) send an order to move to the edge of the screen and queue a suicide command :D |
| 11:55.49 | Motive | But I just love it now. |
| 11:55.55 | Motive | It's so simple and yet powerful |
| 11:55.58 | Agouti | you have been turned to the dark side? |
| 11:56.03 | Motive | And structured... |
| 11:56.03 | Motive | Yes. |
| 11:56.09 | Motive | https://github.com/Motive/CortexEngine |
| 11:56.11 | Agouti | I have 1 major gripe about galaxy |
| 11:56.12 | Motive | My personal project, 100% Galaxy |
| 11:56.18 | Motive | No one tells me it's impossible w/ Galaxy |
| 11:56.19 | Motive | :P |
| 11:56.24 | Agouti | I just wish you could pass arrays as parameters :( |
| 11:56.41 | Motive | You sort of... can... maybe.... |
| 11:56.47 | Agouti | I should probably ammend that |
| 11:56.51 | Agouti | *easily |
| 11:56.56 | Motive | int[c_maxArrays][100] blah; |
| 11:57.04 | Motive | void whicharray(int array) { |
| 11:57.10 | Motive | pass array where array < c_maxArrays |
| 11:57.12 | Motive | etc |
| 11:57.14 | Motive | not pretty but meh |
| 11:57.15 | Motive | Lol |
| 11:57.20 | Agouti | heh |
| 11:57.28 | Motive | or if you really want to do something fun to support any primitive type array |
| 11:57.29 | Agouti | I went the cheap way.... :s |
| 11:57.39 | *** join/#sc2mapster Demalii (48b1c407@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.177.196.7) |
| 11:57.43 | Motive | struct blah { abilcmd a; unit o; etc; }; |
| 11:57.53 | Motive | blah[c_maxArrays][100] blurr; |
| 11:57.54 | Motive | etc |
| 11:57.58 | *** join/#sc2mapster Jiiks (~jiiks@dsl-mlibrasgw2-feaadd00-163.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 11:58.03 | Motive | or just use a data table |
| 11:58.04 | Motive | a |
| 11:58.08 | Motive | and create an awesome array abstraction |
| 11:58.10 | Agouti | I needed an array of arrays passed... func ( param00, param01, param02, param10, ...) |
| 11:58.16 | Agouti | :( |
| 11:58.17 | Motive | I did something similar |
| 11:58.18 | Motive | :) |
| 11:58.19 | Demalii | Agouti: you know if it's possible to make a half pipe with terrain, and have units slide (from gravity).. so if they stop on the side, they slide downwards |
| 11:58.20 | Agouti | dirty but worked |
| 11:58.33 | Motive | https://github.com/Motive/CortexEngine/blob/master/Common/Variables.galaxy |
| 11:58.41 | Motive | my version of dynamic memory allocation for what I needed it for |
| 11:58.42 | Motive | xD |
| 11:58.45 | Agouti | I would say possible, but really, really hard |
| 11:58.51 | Demalii | right on |
| 11:59.04 | Demalii | yea like a ball on terrain |
| 11:59.15 | XenoX101 | holy shit |
| 11:59.16 | XenoX101 | I just |
| 11:59.17 | XenoX101 | figured |
| 11:59.18 | XenoX101 | this out |
| 11:59.21 | Agouti | well the halfpipe could be made outside SC2 fairly easily |
| 11:59.28 | XenoX101 | the offset needs to be put in NEGATIVE! |
| 11:59.28 | Agouti | and imported |
| 11:59.33 | XenoX101 | and it works |
| 11:59.34 | Agouti | wait wait |
| 11:59.36 | Agouti | wait |
| 11:59.37 | Agouti | what |
| 11:59.40 | XenoX101 | yes |
| 11:59.42 | Agouti | EXPLAIN YOURSELF |
| 11:59.43 | XenoX101 | put -10 in the offset |
| 11:59.47 | XenoX101 | try it |
| 11:59.48 | Agouti | which one lol |
| 11:59.53 | XenoX101 | impact offset |
| 11:59.56 | Motive | I made a miniature scripting language in Galaxy. :) |
| 11:59.59 | Demalii | well i'm looking more for slopes on terrain and a ball would roll around, and angled terrain would make it roll a certain way |
| 12:00.02 | Agouti | I tried, it reset it to 0... D: |
| 12:00.13 | Motive | "var units = @spawn 24 marine; @context units; @scale 3;" |
| 12:00.15 | XenoX101 | can't be |
| 12:00.15 | Motive | it's wonderful. |
| 12:00.17 | XenoX101 | mine is on |
| 12:00.18 | XenoX101 | right now |
| 12:00.31 | Agouti | afaik that would be impossible in an automatic fashion demalii |
| 12:00.36 | Demalii | word |
| 12:00.49 | Agouti | checks for epicness courtesy of Xen |
| 12:01.38 | Demalii | ok night then |
| 12:02.15 | XenoX101 | and the best part is |
| 12:02.20 | Stewox | for once , ago you didn't seem more than 18 old ... for such an reaction , i would call it , lack of patience |
| 12:02.20 | XenoX101 | a few days ago |
| 12:02.25 | XenoX101 | I figured out you can destroy a missile with an effect |
| 12:02.34 | XenoX101 | so you can set a timed behaviour on the missile from launch |
| 12:02.39 | XenoX101 | with a final effect to destroy itself |
| 12:02.50 | XenoX101 | allowing you a constant ranged missile! |
| 12:03.02 | *** join/#sc2mapster Xaragoth (~name@pD9FF85D2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 12:03.03 | Agouti | it's not working for me D: D: D: |
| 12:03.05 | Agouti | so |
| 12:03.12 | XenoX101 | impact location target point |
| 12:03.15 | XenoX101 | impact offset |
| 12:03.16 | Agouti | offset on the impact location for the launch effect? |
| 12:03.17 | XenoX101 | 0, -10 |
| 12:03.19 | Agouti | oh offset |
| 12:03.21 | XenoX101 | yes |
| 12:03.23 | Agouti | yeah got that |
| 12:03.43 | Agouti | FieldStraight Cast (Launch) |
| 12:03.44 | Agouti | Impact Offset(0,-10) |
| 12:03.52 | Agouti | seems to do nothing |
| 12:04.14 | Agouti | wait |
| 12:04.57 | Agouti | hmm |
| 12:05.07 | Agouti | don't suppose yours is in a file easy to email? |
| 12:05.15 | XenoX101 | yes I can send you my map |
| 12:05.17 | XenoX101 | you can look |
| 12:05.18 | XenoX101 | and copy |
| 12:05.24 | Agouti | ty <3 |
| 12:05.29 | XenoX101 | one sec, perfecting mine |
| 12:05.41 | XenoX101 | the only downside is |
| 12:05.54 | XenoX101 | to give it a range |
| 12:06.09 | XenoX101 | you need to calculate duration * movement speed |
| 12:06.21 | XenoX101 | but really, thats just a bit more work |
| 12:06.22 | Agouti | hmm |
| 12:06.23 | *** join/#sc2mapster Skittles (ad39a794@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.57.167.148) |
| 12:06.32 | Skittles | Is there a max amount of units? |
| 12:06.36 | Agouti | I'll just give it 300 range |
| 12:06.39 | Agouti | not afaik |
| 12:06.40 | Agouti | I have |
| 12:06.42 | Agouti | thousands |
| 12:06.48 | Agouti | well |
| 12:06.50 | Agouti | a lot anyway |
| 12:07.03 | XenoX101 | no I mean |
| 12:07.05 | XenoX101 | sorry |
| 12:07.08 | XenoX101 | I spoke wrongly |
| 12:07.15 | XenoX101 | if you want your missile to end |
| 12:07.18 | XenoX101 | at say, 10 range |
| 12:07.27 | Agouti | I want it to end off the map ;) |
| 12:07.28 | XenoX101 | in order to get the missile to destroy itself at that point |
| 12:07.39 | XenoX101 | you have to set the duration to movement speed * time = 10 range |
| 12:07.41 | XenoX101 | if that makes sense |
| 12:07.45 | XenoX101 | well in your case it won't matter then |
| 12:08.01 | Agouti | if I flag it as ignore walkers |
| 12:08.09 | Agouti | it should, hopefully, just fly off the map |
| 12:08.55 | XenoX101 | I will have to write a tutorial on this |
| 12:08.57 | XenoX101 | when I finish my map |
| 12:09.03 | XenoX101 | maybe earlier |
| 12:09.07 | XenoX101 | it is just too brilliant |
| 12:09.09 | XenoX101 | lol |
| 12:09.33 | Agouti | :D |
| 12:09.54 | XenoX101 | you can also comment on my new obelisk build animation ;p |
| 12:10.23 | Stewox | i can't find |
| 12:10.35 | Stewox | Random Point in Region (entire Map) |
| 12:11.11 | Agouti | what do you mean, can't find |
| 12:11.15 | Skittles | gawd damn this old lady I have for a teacher should die or get ill enough that she has to quit. Her class is bullshit. |
| 12:11.25 | Agouti | lol skittles |
| 12:11.31 | XenoX101 | sent |
| 12:11.36 | Agouti | ty <3 |
| 12:11.45 | Stewox | triggers what else |
| 12:11.56 | Skittles | No seriously, she took 5 grades out of 15 things we did and none of them were my best grades and she gives us a essay to write everyday, sometimes 2... and AH! |
| 12:12.18 | Agouti | stewox, what do you mean, can't find - as in, you cannot find the command to do it? |
| 12:12.23 | Skittles | and those essay's, that take a hour each, are around 5 points each. |
| 12:13.19 | Stewox | yes of course ž |
| 12:13.45 | Skittles | search bar? |
| 12:13.52 | Stewox | not |
| 12:14.05 | Stewox | it should be there but it isnt |
| 12:14.17 | Agouti | where are you looking. |
| 12:14.19 | Stewox | the helral guy said |
| 12:14.29 | Agouti | it is trivial to find. |
| 12:14.34 | Agouti | Follow these steps: |
| 12:14.35 | Skittles | just look under region category then |
| 12:14.41 | Agouti | in a trigger, or other function |
| 12:14.45 | Agouti | create a new action |
| 12:15.10 | Agouti | Select Create unit with default facing |
| 12:15.25 | Agouti | Double click Point (no value) |
| 12:15.33 | Agouti | Click Function. |
| 12:15.45 | Agouti | Click Random point in region. |
| 12:15.59 | Agouti | OK. |
| 12:16.00 | Skittles | gah still wont let me log in to minecraft |
| 12:16.04 | Agouti | double click region |
| 12:16.15 | Agouti | click function |
| 12:16.19 | Agouti | select Entire map |
| 12:16.22 | Agouti | click ok |
| 12:16.23 | Agouti | DONE. |
| 12:16.24 | Skittles | and minecraft in sc2 is a no go, you're limited to only like 2k units. |
| 12:16.33 | Agouti | aw :( |
| 12:16.36 | Skittles | tho you can probably edit the file or something to fix that maybe? |
| 12:16.41 | Agouti | er dunno |
| 12:16.44 | Skittles | idk i generate it in game so... |
| 12:16.48 | Motive | there's a unit limit in SC2? |
| 12:16.48 | Motive | t |
| 12:16.48 | Agouti | could be engine restriction |
| 12:16.51 | Motive | that doesn't sound right |
| 12:16.51 | Agouti | index < 2048 |
| 12:16.55 | Stewox | oh i need to create the unit first of course |
| 12:17.15 | Motive | 2000/14 = 142 units/player |
| 12:17.16 | Motive | that can't be right |
| 12:17.21 | Skittles | idk, filled like half of a something x 86 up then stopped |
| 12:17.27 | Agouti | herpa derr yes, you will only find a function returning a point when you are using in something which accepts a point |
| 12:17.34 | Skittles | 2 to |
| 12:17.35 | Skittles | 1 |
| 12:17.49 | Agouti | (psst motive, 15 players ;)) |
| 12:17.54 | Agouti | wait |
| 12:17.54 | Agouti | 16 |
| 12:17.56 | Motive | meh close enough |
| 12:17.58 | Motive | only enhances my point |
| 12:17.59 | Motive | LOL |
| 12:18.00 | Agouti | ;p |
| 12:18.03 | Motive | I'm thinking about my map |
| 12:18.11 | Agouti | I always think about my map |
| 12:18.12 | Agouti | :D |
| 12:18.26 | Motive | I have a Christmas release to prepare |
| 12:18.26 | Motive | :O |
| 12:18.41 | Agouti | is |
| 12:18.43 | Agouti | is it for me? |
| 12:18.49 | Agouti | :'D |
| 12:18.54 | Stewox | neutral player |
| 12:18.57 | Stewox | i want for all |
| 12:19.04 | Motive | Why of course. |
| 12:19.13 | Agouti | I have an extra special present for you |
| 12:19.14 | Stewox | 0 1 2 |
| 12:19.15 | Agouti | and only you |
| 12:19.17 | Stewox | 0 = neutral ? |
| 12:19.19 | Agouti | in my pants -.o |
| 12:19.22 | Motive | 0 = neutral, yes |
| 12:19.26 | Agouti | 0 is the default yes |
| 12:19.32 | Motive | it hides |
| 12:19.36 | Stewox | hides * |
| 12:19.38 | Stewox | no |
| 12:19.40 | Agouti | any player can be set as neutral, it's merely an alliance setting |
| 12:19.41 | Stewox | i want for ALL |
| 12:19.53 | Agouti | alliances. |
| 12:19.59 | Stewox | for all to be able to see it and use it |
| 12:20.06 | Stewox | interact with it |
| 12:20.09 | Agouti | share ability. |
| 12:20.16 | Stewox | no |
| 12:20.18 | Stewox | it's not ability |
| 12:20.22 | Agouti | -.- |
| 12:20.24 | Agouti | an ability |
| 12:20.26 | Agouti | called Share |
| 12:20.31 | Agouti | hurr durr |
| 12:20.45 | Agouti | look up any shop tutorial |
| 12:20.46 | Agouti | you will find it |
| 12:21.04 | Agouti | it's basically an autocast which gives shared vision and control |
| 12:21.05 | Stewox | i want it like the picupable vespene , money , netural , and anybody can use it |
| 12:21.14 | Agouti | YES |
| 12:21.20 | Agouti | I just told you |
| 12:21.21 | Agouti | READ. |
| 12:21.39 | Stewox | well |
| 12:21.44 | Stewox | how can i know you mean in data or triggers ? |
| 12:21.56 | Agouti | it's basically an autocast which gives shared vision and control |
| 12:21.57 | Agouti | I said |
| 12:21.59 | Agouti | ability |
| 12:22.00 | Agouti | autocast |
| 12:22.04 | Agouti | that means data. |
| 12:22.06 | Agouti | if I had said |
| 12:22.07 | Stewox | okaaay |
| 12:22.07 | Agouti | event |
| 12:22.09 | Agouti | trigger |
| 12:22.12 | Agouti | that would mean trigers. |
| 12:22.23 | Skittles | 0.0 |
| 12:22.33 | Stewox | i just wasn't familiar with the ability you were pointing at , fine now |
| 12:22.45 | Agouti | <Agouti> look up any shop tutorial |
| 12:22.46 | Agouti | <Agouti> you will find it |
| 12:22.50 | Agouti | fml |
| 12:23.04 | Skittles | ? |
| 12:23.15 | Skittles | anyway, leaving to grandparents in like an hour |
| 12:23.21 | Skittles | be gone til sunday |
| 12:23.22 | Skittles | ttyl |
| 12:23.22 | Agouti | nice :) |
| 12:23.26 | Agouti | OH |
| 12:23.26 | Skittles | gonna get a hour sleep |
| 12:23.27 | Agouti | NO |
| 12:23.29 | Skittles | wtf? ima be gone.. |
| 12:23.31 | Agouti | nooo skittles |
| 12:23.31 | Skittles | nice? |
| 12:23.32 | Skittles | fuck u |
| 12:23.33 | Skittles | lol |
| 12:23.40 | Agouti | <Skittles> anyway, leaving to grandparents in like an hour |
| 12:23.41 | Skittles | alright, ff. |
| 12:23.45 | Agouti | <Agouti>Nice |
| 12:23.46 | Skittles | lol |
| 12:23.49 | Skittles | they live in houston |
| 12:23.49 | Agouti | D: D: D: |
| 12:23.50 | Agouti | <3 |
| 12:23.53 | Agouti | oh |
| 12:23.56 | Agouti | well |
| 12:23.58 | Skittles | I live by dallas |
| 12:23.59 | Agouti | have fun |
| 12:24.03 | Skittles | mmhmm |
| 12:24.06 | Agouti | ^__^ |
| 12:24.11 | Skittles | gonna do that bitchy teachers homework |
| 12:24.16 | Skittles | tho the grade isn't even worth it. |
| 12:24.21 | Agouti | doesn't know where everything is in the US... soz |
| 12:24.24 | Skittles | 5 points per essay wtf |
| 12:24.32 | Skittles | uh |
| 12:24.42 | Skittles | dallas => texas houston => texas |
| 12:24.43 | Agouti | how far in hours ;) |
| 12:24.49 | Skittles | but it's like the opposite sides |
| 12:24.56 | Skittles | dallas is in the north houston in the south |
| 12:25.00 | Skittles | it's like 3-5 hours |
| 12:25.06 | Agouti | oh, that's not too bad |
| 12:25.30 | Skittles | yeah should be enough time to get 10 essay's done.. |
| 12:25.33 | Skittles | cause i half ass it |
| 12:25.36 | Stewox | what exactly is Ignore placement in trigger flags , forcefully placed , even if not pathable or reachable , for convenience i want the object to not spawn in unreachable areas |
| 12:25.38 | Agouti | haha |
| 12:25.40 | Skittles | cause she told us the first day she doesn't even read it |
| 12:25.50 | Skittles | and if she does... it's 5 points big whoops. |
| 12:25.58 | Skittles | anyway gg |
| 12:26.09 | Agouti | Ignore placement is exactly what it says, it ignores placement |
| 12:26.21 | Agouti | it will place it exactly where you specify |
| 12:26.29 | Agouti | just pathing paint the spots you don't want as unpathable |
| 12:26.37 | Agouti | and leave that unticked |
| 12:26.39 | Agouti | donesies |
| 12:26.47 | Stewox | but there might be some small areas when it's unreachable by units , but still buildable ... or no |
| 12:26.48 | Agouti | btw, Xenox, you are a genius <3 |
| 12:27.15 | Agouti | how should I know? it could pick anywhere not marked as unpathable |
| 12:27.22 | Agouti | I don't know what your map looks like |
| 12:27.31 | Agouti | If you want to be sure just create 30 points |
| 12:27.38 | Agouti | and have a trigger select from them at random |
| 12:28.19 | Stewox | yeah that was an idea too , but i wanted to randomize process , since that involves doing custom work for every map , what im making is a mod actually but oh well |
| 12:34.34 | Agouti | Xenox101: Make sure to set your arc slop to 0 |
| 12:34.59 | Agouti | as it uses the facing angle of the unit |
| 12:36.21 | XenoX101 | arc slop for which? |
| 12:52.47 | Motive | Agh |
| 12:52.48 | Motive | H |
| 12:53.00 | Motive | How do you lock a computer player's settings (and even presence) in this shitty lobby system? |
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| 12:59.08 | Stewox | what exactly are the greyed out entities in editor |
| 12:59.15 | Stewox | thetext color |
| 12:59.34 | Stewox | blue , green , silver ... |
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| 13:07.58 | XenoX101_a | they're just for pretties |
| 13:08.37 | XenoX101_a | nah blue means SC2 original value, silver means default value from 'based on' object |
| 13:08.46 | XenoX101_a | and green means a user modified value |
| 13:09.20 | XenoX101_a | if you duplicate an object the blue values become green values, as they are now user modified values |
| 13:13.08 | Stewox | okay |
| 13:13.22 | Stewox | so silver is core default or what ? |
| 13:13.55 | Stewox | it's independend , or based on something else ? |
| 13:14.38 | Stewox | based on what ? for example beacon , starmap , "Default Settings (unnamed)" |
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| 13:35.35 | Helral | Stewox: grey = default value (C... value) |
| 13:35.51 | Stewox | C value ? |
| 13:36.02 | Helral | go into raw data mode. |
| 13:36.10 | Helral | you'll find some values that say C... |
| 13:36.58 | Stewox | Token |
| 13:37.00 | Stewox | parent |
| 13:37.00 | Stewox | id |
| 13:37.04 | Stewox | CUnit |
| 13:42.23 | peterpants | anyone get a weird bug when your trigger window won't scroll down |
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| 15:16.13 | TheAlmaity | bleh... first attempt at galaxy code and my event already has an error >.> |
| 15:16.59 | TheAlmaity | the event is written just like in GUI with raw data on, but i dont know what to put as the first "hidden" parameter (as MotiveMe's new thread says there is one...) |
| 15:17.15 | TheAlmaity | anyone able to help? |
| 15:17.30 | TheAlmaity | Anyone even here? |
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| 15:20.03 | Motive | I'm here |
| 15:20.03 | Motive | : |
| 15:20.06 | Motive | P |
| 15:20.15 | Motive | Fucking Colloquy. Lol (:P) |
| 15:20.31 | Motive | The first "hidden" parameter is with events only. The GUI doesn't show it, and it's a trigger primitive. |
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| 15:25.11 | TheAlmaity | back. I know that there is a first hidden paremater only in events, and i used the event "TriggerAddEventTimeElapsed(5.0,c_timeGame)", but don't know what to put as the "hidden" parameter. Putting "t" as you did in your example doesn't work for this :/ |
| 15:25.26 | Motive | t is a trigger variable |
| 15:25.31 | Motive | you can skip the whole declaration if you're lazy |
| 15:25.45 | Motive | TriggerAddEventTimeElapsed(TriggerCreate("thetriggernamehere"), 5.0,c_timeGame); |
| 15:26.19 | TheAlmaity | i already have " trigger t = TriggerCreate("ThorWin") " |
| 15:26.28 | TheAlmaity | but t still won't work when i put it there >.< |
| 15:26.37 | Motive | pastebin.com it |
| 15:27.28 | TheAlmaity | http://pastebin.com/FpNUSgLk |
| 15:28.18 | Motive | oh d'oh |
| 15:28.22 | Motive | you forgot the ;'s at the end of each line |
| 15:28.22 | Motive | : |
| 15:28.23 | Motive | :P |
| 15:28.37 | TheAlmaity | *faceplant* |
| 15:28.39 | Motive | http://pastebin.com/GvPWafYS |
| 15:28.41 | Motive | fixed it for you :) |
| 15:28.52 | TheAlmaity | you might wanna mention that in your thread btw :) |
| 15:28.55 | TheAlmaity | thx |
| 15:33.31 | TheAlmaity | bah... now the next action is wrong >.> even if i copy it as raw data from GUI and add the ; behind it... |
| 15:33.56 | poiuy_qwert | cool: http://www.humblebundle.com/ |
| 15:37.13 | Motive | I got it to work fine |
| 15:37.20 | Motive | copied and pasted your exact code into a custom script block |
| 15:37.31 | Motive | set Initialization function to : "RegisterTriggers" |
| 15:37.33 | Motive | compiled perfectly |
| 15:38.42 | TheAlmaity | yea, that part works fine, the next one doesn't |
| 15:38.44 | TheAlmaity | " CreateUnitsAtPoint2(5, "Thor", No Options, 1, (RegionGetCenter(RegionEntireMap()))); " |
| 15:39.18 | Motive | Ah, forgot to mention that part. :P |
| 15:39.22 | Motive | sec |
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| 15:39.35 | Motive | CreateUnitsAtPoint2 isn't a native |
| 15:39.40 | Motive | it's part of libNtve which is GUI |
| 15:39.44 | Motive | so you must prefix it and call it: |
| 15:39.54 | Stewox | hi |
| 15:39.55 | Motive | libNtve_gf_CreateUnitsAtPoint2 |
| 15:40.00 | TheAlmaity | ah, kk |
| 15:40.01 | TheAlmaity | thx |
| 15:40.03 | Motive | also your 3rd parameter is wrong |
| 15:40.04 | TheAlmaity | hi stewox |
| 15:40.07 | Motive | try 0 |
| 15:40.11 | Motive | "No Options" won't compile |
| 15:40.11 | Motive | xD |
| 15:40.13 | TheAlmaity | kk |
| 15:40.34 | Motive | it's actually a preset: Unit_Create_Style2 |
| 15:40.36 | Motive | which is an int |
| 15:40.58 | Stewox | i got the copy of pickupable gas up , and modified / duplicated abilities , models , actors , effects , |
| 15:41.23 | Stewox | now i need to choose a generic crate model , but there's an issue before |
| 15:42.04 | Stewox | the gas canisters which you pickup in campaign < are race-specific , now i want to have the same for everyone ... what should i look for |
| 15:42.35 | Stewox | but i figure each race in the campaign has a different model if only that's the change i can think of |
| 15:42.51 | Stewox | terran has canister , protoss has crytal .. zerg ... something other |
| 15:43.29 | Stewox | and i want to make this a neutral box , not specific to any side |
| 15:43.46 | Stewox | but using Gas Canister - Terran , as a base |
| 15:44.15 | Stewox | duplicated , so it's a mod on it's own |
| 15:45.30 | Stewox | on a side note, what's with this UNNAMED stuff all about ?ž |
| 15:46.39 | TheAlmaity | srry, cant help Stewox :/ actors and anything related just hate me |
| 15:47.24 | TheAlmaity | Motive, "UIDisplayMessage( PlayerGroupAll(), c_messageAreaChat, StringToText("Hello there!");" gives me yet another error (i had different text before but then copied yours after i couldnt fix it) |
| 15:47.51 | Motive | Sorry, I just fixed that. Add one parenthesis at the end |
| 15:47.59 | Motive | Missed the closing one. I wrote this on the fly with no sleep :P |
| 15:48.01 | TheAlmaity | kk |
| 15:48.13 | Stewox | anyways |
| 15:49.18 | Stewox | anyone got an idea how can i make a single object that randomly switched between abilites , ... doesn't have to be random cause it doesn't matter , but so it needs to be a single unit (item in this case) |
| 15:50.17 | TheAlmaity | what do you mean by switch between abilities? like autocast one for a while, then autocast another? |
| 15:50.30 | Stewox | it has 5 abilites and every second it swiches only one on , ... or give it , effects , doesn't have to be a whole ability , it's about aplying behaviors param changes to the unit that will interact with it |
| 15:50.38 | Stewox | no |
| 15:51.10 | Stewox | totally turning off one ability or behavior/effect (since it's a small change of params) to be rotating |
| 15:51.28 | Stewox | rotating between these effects |
| 15:51.47 | TheAlmaity | Have 5 behaviors each with the duration of 1 second and then have an "apply behavior" effect as the final effect that applies the next behavior, have them cycle that way |
| 15:51.53 | Stewox | so in the game , it's randomized , it won't return always the same effect |
| 15:52.05 | TheAlmaity | oh, then create a set effect with all apply behaviors |
| 15:52.11 | TheAlmaity | make that set the final |
| 15:52.29 | TheAlmaity | and there should be "flags" or "options" or something in the set effect, check "random effect" |
| 15:52.38 | Stewox | but the point is , it has to be only one , it must not be all |
| 15:52.53 | TheAlmaity | and set maximum effects to 1 |
| 15:53.09 | TheAlmaity | that way, behavior expires, removes itself, adds a random one out of the 5 from the set effect |
| 15:53.46 | Stewox | im not yet skilled with this Set , Final , Persistent , stuff ... but thanks for helping , i'll check out brb |
| 15:54.06 | TheAlmaity | Set is basically just a "box" for effects |
| 15:54.13 | TheAlmaity | Its literally just a set. |
| 15:54.40 | Stewox | also the point is , i have to specify a list of "random effects" ... and the list has to be customized |
| 15:54.43 | TheAlmaity | you put put effects into "effects +", then link the set wherever you need all the effects (or a random one, etc) |
| 15:55.41 | TheAlmaity | lemme open the data editor real quick... |
| 15:55.42 | Stewox | and final is the one that specifies time when it's applied ? along with other settings (like last minute validation check) ? |
| 15:56.05 | TheAlmaity | Final Effect in behaviors should be when the behavior expires/removes itself |
| 15:56.17 | Stewox | you need to load the Campaign dependency for this |
| 15:56.43 | TheAlmaity | dont need campaign dependencies just to look what the fields look like... |
| 15:57.12 | Stewox | ah okay for final , this is just an attribute change , it's not continious , it's like Heal Full , Minerals 100 , Energy Replenish ...etc |
| 15:57.35 | Stewox | well i was pointing to the actual case , but okay |
| 15:58.32 | TheAlmaity | "Effect - Maximum count" to "1" and enable "Effect - Random" in the set effect. That should make a random effect from the effects you put into it execute everytime the set is "used" |
| 15:59.17 | Stewox | aha , so the set is just a "holder" with some more options for firing other effects |
| 15:59.31 | Stewox | i think i got it now |
| 16:00.43 | Stewox | on a side note |
| 16:00.50 | TheAlmaity | yea, the set itself is basically just a box for effects where you put effects in, and then when you use the set it either grabs all the effects and executes them or limits everything to the options you set |
| 16:02.05 | Stewox | on a different note , how do i unlink unused stuff from the data entitiy , i have this here what im talking about, it's Gas Canister Terran (duplicated renamed modified) , and i see i has an unused PickupMineral ability |
| 16:02.41 | Stewox | like this seems when blizzard was devloping they just copied stuff and disabled stuff out , but the links remain |
| 16:03.07 | Stewox | not a good way of managing code ... |
| 16:03.23 | Stewox | since it's confusing to others |
| 16:03.44 | Stewox | you have to analayze the whole thing before you can work to even figure out what's used |
| 16:03.56 | Stewox | in more complex situations that becomes nightmare |
| 16:04.41 | Stewox | Reset Linked Object To Parent ? |
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| 16:05.35 | Stewox | in the context, that would mean to reset the actual linked object ... but i don't want to modify that object directly , i just want to remove only the LINK |
| 16:06.05 | TheAlmaity_ | back, my internet croaked. anyone said anything? |
| 16:06.21 | Stewox | [17:02] <Stewox> on a different note , how do i unlink unused stuff from the data entitiy , i have this here what im talking about, it's Gas Canister Terran (duplicated renamed modified) , and i see i has an unused PickupMineral ability [17:02] <Stewox> like this seems when blizzard was devloping they just copied stuff and disabled stuff out , but the links remain [17:03] <Stewox> not a good way of managing code ... [17:03] <Stewo |
| 16:06.32 | Stewox | you have to analayze the whole thing before you can work to even figure out what's used [17:03] <Stewox> in more complex situations that becomes nightmare |
| 16:06.35 | Motive | the link doesn't exist. you copied a unit that has some field that points to an actor/model/effect/whatever |
| 16:06.53 | Motive | just set the field out to None |
| 16:08.33 | Stewox | Gas Canister Terran (item) is linked to PickupMinerals Ability , yet it does not use that since it's for vespene , it has PickupGas too , i "explain link" and saw that minerals is different from gas , since there's only a gas sound actor , why the heck would you anyways need minerals at all from a logical standpoint |
| 16:09.20 | Stewox | so this is just sloppy code management in my opinion ... |
| 16:10.34 | Stewox | i might be beginner on this but i have past modding experience ... if i moded quake 3 scripting language (real deal) than i can as well understand the basics of this |
| 16:10.49 | Motive | this isn't a scripting language |
| 16:10.53 | Motive | this is a data editor |
| 16:17.36 | Stewox | means less complex :) |
| 16:18.11 | Stewox | where do i need to change none |
| 16:18.15 | Stewox | i don't understand |
| 16:18.20 | Stewox | ... the editor :) |
| 16:19.44 | Stewox | i thought there was a shortcut to do it |
| 16:20.08 | Motive | you duplicated the unit, including all links |
| 16:20.09 | Stewox | but now i remember of course , the unit's ability + has to be edited , damn im slow |
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| 16:22.13 | Stewox | yes now i see the thing |
| 16:22.17 | Stewox | it's 2 entiries |
| 16:22.19 | Stewox | but one ability |
| 16:22.53 | Stewox | Ability is either *Gas or *Minerals , but both appear in the links |
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| 16:42.15 | Stewox | [imghttp://www.shrani.si/f/d/NB/1X22ZTgs/linkvespenemineral.png |
| 16:42.24 | Stewox | http://www.shrani.si/f/d/NB/1X22ZTgs/linkvespenemineral.png |
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| 16:55.44 | DarkRevenant | hey sixen |
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| 17:02.23 | Stewox | hello anyone here |
| 17:02.55 | Stewox | how can i make a pickup to affect in a radius , not only the unit that triggered it |
| 17:03.43 | Stewox | for example , heal , so it heals a bunch of units around , not only the one that picked up the item |
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| 18:41.45 | Bounty | >< |
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| 19:16.18 | JManV | i have a dialog item (button), that i am setting the text to a fixed string |
| 19:16.38 | JManV | but it keys saying "Param/Value/******" |
| 19:16.43 | JManV | anyone know why? |
| 19:17.25 | progammer | JManV: localization problem |
| 19:18.20 | JManV | how does that happen? |
| 19:18.43 | JManV | more importantly: how do i fix it? |
| 19:20.44 | progammer | JManV: it happens when your client try to load a string value |
| 19:20.47 | progammer | defined in a locals |
| 19:20.50 | progammer | but not in other |
| 19:20.57 | progammer | param value is the directory of that string value |
| 19:21.01 | progammer | actually text value |
| 19:21.08 | progammer | since it has unicode char |
| 19:21.19 | progammer | try hati's localizer |
| 19:21.37 | JManV | omg |
| 19:21.46 | progammer | and localizer from the main locals to other |
| 19:21.46 | JManV | i tried saving and exiting |
| 19:21.50 | JManV | and it slaged my map |
| 19:22.00 | JManV | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:22.04 | JManV | that's a variable |
| 19:22.06 | JManV | with no name ow |
| 19:22.11 | JManV | there's a lot of those |
| 19:22.22 | JManV | everything i've done in the last 2 hours |
| 19:22.25 | JManV | basically |
| 19:22.30 | JManV | doesn't have a name |
| 19:22.35 | progammer | name is also stored in the locals |
| 19:22.44 | progammer | since you can put unicode chat on variable name |
| 19:22.45 | JManV | i'm so exited about that |
| 19:23.30 | JManV | omfg |
| 19:23.33 | JManV | this is a mess |
| 19:24.40 | JManV | ok... it seems to be picking up the references |
| 19:24.44 | JManV | once i add a name |
| 19:27.31 | JManV | this wasn't very nice of the editor |
| 19:30.00 | JManV | heh. when i go to rename it, it actually thinks the variable name is " = (cButton Width - (+ (cIcon Size, cInlay, cInlay))) <Integer>" |
| 19:32.12 | JManV | that's not the greatest variable name ever |
| 19:32.29 | Hati | progammer: yay |
| 19:32.37 | Hati | and tell me if it still works |
| 19:32.42 | progammer | Hati: dóe it flash your name ? |
| 19:32.53 | Hati | hmm ? |
| 19:33.01 | Hati | yes it does |
| 19:33.09 | Hati | but i was afk a while |
| 19:33.14 | Hati | and being afk again :o |
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| 20:25.42 | Vail | hello folks |
| 20:25.53 | Bounty | ello |
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| 21:05.04 | Stewox | hello |
| 21:05.13 | Stewox | ... quite nobody on christmas :) |
| 21:05.14 | Stewox | of course |
| 21:05.27 | Stewox | just finished making the tree |
| 21:05.42 | Stewox | ... and a shitload of lights |
| 21:05.45 | Stewox | haha |
| 21:05.50 | Stewox | merry chritmas |
| 21:06.00 | Stewox | ehm Christmas |
| 21:08.29 | Stewox | just a simple quickie , what's actually the purpose of texture dds files like _normal _diffuse _disp _specular |
| 21:09.54 | A1win | normal is the bump map texture, and the others for some similar stuff |
| 21:10.36 | A1win | they're like masks for the texture which different parts of the graphics engine use to make it look better |
| 21:10.41 | A1win | in 3D |
| 21:12.31 | A1win | dunno exactly what diffuse, disp(lacement?) and specular do though... specular is something related to reflections on round surfaces |
| 21:13.08 | A1win | normal/bump mapping makes the texture look like it has height variation in it |
| 21:14.26 | A1win | (normal is a geometric term here, as in a line 90 degrees towards the 2D plane where the texture is) |
| 21:30.25 | JManV | i just played this crazy ass 4v4 game |
| 21:30.31 | JManV | lots of harass around the board |
| 21:30.46 | JManV | on megaton, which is a shitty map to begin with |
| 21:31.37 | JManV | i really should downvote megaton |
| 21:31.58 | Stewox | i guess it's for dynamic graphics adjustments , ex low will not have bump mapped textures |
| 21:32.28 | Stewox | i know about bump mapping , it's actual visible 3D-kindof |
| 21:32.48 | JManV | yeah, i think diffuse is lighting effects |
| 21:32.54 | A1win | ah yeah right, the dds files have those inside them anyway, so yeah.. different versions of the texture |
| 21:32.55 | Stewox | it has bumps up , like rocks |
| 21:32.56 | JManV | specular is definitely lighting effects |
| 21:33.15 | JManV | causes a metallic look |
| 21:33.21 | JManV | reflective light and whatnot |
| 21:33.31 | Stewox | yeah , "specular map" was a setting in call of duty , it changed the lighting of models |
| 21:34.03 | Stewox | so that's a term across the industry |
| 21:34.04 | JManV | same jazz |
| 21:34.07 | JManV | oh yeah |
| 21:34.13 | JManV | diffuse is a lighting term too |
| 21:34.20 | JManV | i don't remember exactly what |
| 21:34.28 | JManV | i think is basically just normal light |
| 21:34.34 | JManV | so it might be a lighting map |
| 21:34.46 | JManV | if you wanted to use them, you'd have to figure that all out |
| 21:35.02 | JManV | but if you just want a normal texture, you should be fine |
| 21:35.21 | Stewox | hmm , making custom textures should mean that these also must be present for maximum detail and effects |
| 21:35.49 | JManV | you will definitely get a higher level of realism if you use them |
| 21:36.19 | Stewox | dds is a wide format in games, but very little programs open it and only 32bit photoshop has the nvidia DDS plugin , and when i installed i ahhh only ticked 64x version |
| 21:36.45 | Stewox | nvida sloppy support |
| 21:37.00 | Stewox | i guess they make it with maya or 3dsmax |
| 21:37.32 | JManV | gimp has a plugin too |
| 21:37.51 | JManV | but dds is directdraw surface. it's a Direct X native format |
| 21:38.06 | JManV | used for textures obv |
| 21:38.44 | JManV | it's basically the equivilent of BMP, except with all the extra texture layers |
| 21:39.00 | JManV | there may be some compression tho |
| 21:39.15 | JManV | but generally you don't want to take a long time to load a texture |
| 21:39.48 | JManV | dammit i hate christmas |
| 21:40.01 | JManV | i gotta go visit the fam |
| 21:40.14 | JManV | give the neices and nephews some presents |
| 21:40.24 | JManV | deal with the adults :( |
| 21:40.41 | JManV | i love em... but i just saw em a month ago |
| 21:40.53 | JManV | and i've talked to them on the phone like 3 times this week |
| 21:41.02 | JManV | that's enough for me :P |
| 21:41.05 | Stewox | hehež |
| 21:41.24 | JManV | im out |
| 21:42.20 | Vail | i just had a great idea ! |
| 21:43.15 | Stewox | what |
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| 22:36.01 | Vail | the idea was a moding ezine |
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| 22:36.41 | Vail | back i had to go next door for something important and now ihave to brb for dinner |
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| 23:20.13 | purl | triceron <60313557@gateway/web/freenode/ip.96.49.53.87> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 37d 20h 18m 51s ago, saying: 'Ahoy mateys'. |
| 23:21.45 | ZarafFaraz | I'm trying to decide between these two monitors...anyone have any insight as to which one is better? http://tinyurl.com/2fyec47 or http://tinyurl.com/24lqr7w |
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| 23:25.30 | Helral | meowy xmeow |
| 23:50.32 | Vail | so any one actually here besides me now ? |
| 23:54.26 | Motive | yes |
| 23:54.32 | Vail | ah good to see |
| 23:57.57 | Agouti | I'm trying to get uprooted spine/spore crawlers to block burrowed units |
| 23:58.14 | Agouti | I've checked the Burrowed in the Collide flags for the crawlers |
| 23:58.20 | Agouti | hasn't seemed to work, though |
| 23:58.36 | Agouti | could it be a footprint problem? |
