IRC log for #sc2mapster on 20101223

`00:00.00`	`JManV`	`write will go up, but the only thing that writes to that drive is utorrent, which is bottlenecked by internet speeds`
`00:00.10`	`Skittles`	`what is a raid? Just a lot of storage?`
`00:00.16`	`Agouti`	`if you have 8gb+ ram everything you use regularly gets cached anyway`
`00:00.23`	`JManV`	`connecting multiple disks together`
`00:00.31`	`Agouti`	`RAID is a term that covers all ways of... yeah what he said`
`00:00.40`	`*** join/#sc2mapster nicoli_s (~nsinkule@69.73.16.202)`
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`00:00.42`	`Skittles`	`disks?`
`00:00.47`	`JManV`	`you can have redundant disks that way`
`00:00.50`	`JManV`	`hard drives`
`00:00.54`	`Agouti`	`different flavours accomplish different things`
`00:00.55`	`Skittles`	`Btw I can use codecs properly now, so I can use fraps or xfire or w/e I want. =D`
`00:01.12`	`JManV`	`i'm setting it up so one disk is an ongoing "backup" disk`
`00:01.19`	`JManV`	`and the rest are for storage`
`00:01.23`	`Agouti`	`some are based around redundancy, so if a drive dies you don't loose anything`
`00:01.30`	`JManV`	`one drive can fail, and i won't lose any data`
`00:01.31`	`Agouti`	`some are more aimed at pure speed`
`00:01.48`	`JManV`	`if two die, i lose everything`
`00:01.51`	`Agouti`	`but I don't need extra write speed - everything I used gets prefetched anyway`
`00:01.52`	`Agouti`	`SC2`
`00:01.54`	`Agouti`	`GE`
`00:01.54`	`JManV`	`(at the same time)`
`00:01.55`	`Agouti`	`etc`
`00:02.04`	`JManV`	`i watch a lot of HD videos`
`00:02.10`	`JManV`	`that's what i primarily use that drive for`
`00:02.15`	`Agouti`	`you don't need massive read speed for that though`
`00:02.19`	`Agouti`	`really`
`00:02.26`	`JManV`	`not really`
`00:02.28`	`Agouti`	`unless they are crappy drives I guess`
`00:02.47`	`Agouti`	`a good player should be able to seek without stutter`
`00:02.48`	`JManV`	`also bottlenecked by network speeds`
`00:03.00`	`JManV`	`but that's 1Gb/s`
`00:03.00`	`Agouti`	`yeah, gigabit is pretty quick though`
`00:03.10`	`Agouti`	`100MB/s`
`00:03.11`	`JManV`	`fast enough for 1080p`
`00:03.14`	`Agouti`	`yeah`
`00:03.27`	`Agouti`	`especially H.264`
`00:03.35`	`JManV`	`i'm not getting that from my hard drive transfer right now :P`
`00:03.45`	`Agouti`	`if you were trying in raw blueray format probably not`
`00:03.57`	`Agouti`	`I think it's the write speed`
`00:03.59`	`Agouti`	`not read`
`00:04.03`	`JManV`	`anyways, the thing i'm the biggest fan of is just having 1 drive`
`00:04.03`	`Agouti`	`that's bottlenecking`
`00:04.10`	`Agouti`	`yup`
`00:04.14`	`Agouti`	`I hate multiple drives`
`00:04.21`	`JManV`	`i've had 2 for a while`
`00:04.24`	`JManV`	`adding 2 more?`
`00:04.25`	`JManV`	`yuck`
`00:04.37`	`JManV`	`2 was bad enough`
`00:04.44`	`JManV`	`moving files across took a long time`
`00:04.53`	`Agouti`	`somebody I know has 3 HDD's split up into like 6 partitions`
`00:04.59`	`Agouti`	`it's gross :s`
`00:05.00`	`JManV`	`ick`
`00:05.12`	`JManV`	`that's wasted space at the bottom of every drive`
`00:05.18`	`Agouti`	`yup`
`00:05.19`	`JManV`	`it stacks`
`00:05.36`	`Agouti`	`plus you can't defrag properly`
`00:05.38`	`Agouti`	`etc etc`
`00:06.13`	`JManV`	`550 GB remaining`
`00:06.15`	`Agouti`	`ok, question relevant to the channel:`
`00:06.21`	`JManV`	`sure`
`00:06.25`	`Agouti`	`since you are obviously sitting here bored waiting for something to do`
`00:06.26`	`Agouti`	`;)`
`00:06.30`	`JManV`	`i guess i can be relevant for a second`
`00:06.36`	`Agouti`	`<3`
`00:06.43`	`JManV`	`i was just wondering if i wanted to play or mapmake`
`00:06.57`	`Agouti`	`I'm not hugely familiar with making new abilities, so here goes`
`00:07.18`	`Agouti`	`I have a unit which can currently spawn observer like units, which needs nerfing`
`00:07.32`	`JManV`	`ok`
`00:07.37`	`Agouti`	`so I want to make the ability a point target, that fires off an uncommandable observer in that direction`
`00:07.46`	`Agouti`	`so you click above you, it trundles off that way`
`00:07.57`	`Agouti`	`and then esplodes when it hits the edge of the map`
`00:08.07`	`Agouti`	`but I'm not sure the best way to go about it`
`00:08.13`	`JManV`	`i'm thinking train`
`00:08.22`	`Agouti`	`which I know nothing about`
`00:08.28`	`Agouti`	`I'd prefer pure data if possible`
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`00:08.37`	`Agouti`	`enough triggers cluttering up as it is`
`00:08.41`	`Agouti`	`o hai helral`
`00:08.42`	`JManV`	`well, that's what train would be`
`00:08.49`	`Agouti`	`yeah`
`00:08.52`	`JManV`	`but you'd be training a unit and setting a rally point`
`00:09.09`	`Agouti`	`how would you make the rally at the edge of the map?`
`00:09.11`	`JManV`	`doing it specifically targetted, i'm not sure about`
`00:09.29`	`JManV`	`edge of the map?`
`00:09.32`	`JManV`	`oh`
`00:09.37`	`JManV`	`it keeps going`
`00:09.41`	`Agouti`	`you could link it so that when it reached the rally, it would explode`
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`00:09.43`	`Agouti`	`yeah`
`00:09.44`	`Agouti`	`that is the problem`
`00:09.59`	`JManV`	`well, you want an ability targeting a point i guess`
`00:10.10`	`Agouti`	`that is the start, mmm`
`00:10.20`	`Agouti`	`maybe give the unit 0 decelleration?`
`00:10.28`	`Agouti`	`so it couldn't actually stop?`
`00:10.51`	`JManV`	`well, it might not matter`
`00:10.55`	`JManV`	`you can just send it in a direction`
`00:10.59`	`JManV`	`or`
`00:11.02`	`JManV`	`maybe not`
`00:11.05`	`Agouti`	`mmm`
`00:11.13`	`JManV`	`i guess it would be like a missle`
`00:11.20`	`JManV`	`which i know very little about`
`00:11.28`	`Agouti`	`... actually, yes, that would be a way of doing it`
`00:11.40`	`JManV`	`i'd watch a missile tut`
`00:11.51`	`Agouti`	`having it as a missile might take care of destroying it when it hits the edge of the map`
`00:11.53`	`JManV`	`missiles are just units`
`00:11.57`	`Agouti`	`or lets it continue on to max range`
`00:12.03`	`Agouti`	`I'll do that`
`00:12.03`	`JManV`	`yeah`
`00:12.10`	`JManV`	`that would basically be perfect`
`00:12.15`	`Agouti`	`mmhmm`
`00:12.33`	`JManV`	`and i'm pretty sure you can set a missile targeting a point`
`00:12.33`	`Agouti`	`awards JManV _100 geek points`
`00:12.33`	`Agouti`	`*+`
`00:12.48`	`JManV`	`i really need to learn how to make missiles one of these days`
`00:12.51`	`Agouti`	`you can, as well, look at skit's game`
`00:13.01`	`Agouti`	`that is most def the way to do it`
`00:13.17`	`Vail`	`a missile is just a unit a mover and an effect`
`00:13.21`	`JManV`	`i helped someone yesterday give a missile a buff that applied a burn buff to everyone in range that did damage over time`
`00:13.29`	`JManV`	`but i don't know how to make a missile`
`00:13.42`	`Agouti`	`someone will have made a tute somewhere I'm sure`
`00:13.44`	`Dustin`	`Missiles are pretty easy`
`00:13.51`	`JManV`	`heh`
`00:13.52`	`Agouti`	`or when all else fails pick apart another unit... oh?`
`00:13.54`	`JManV`	`i just haven't done it yet`
`00:13.56`	`Agouti`	`dustin :D`
`00:14.19`	`Dustin`	`sup!`
`00:14.25`	`Agouti`	`hallo oh might and sexy dustin, please to be gifting us with your powerful and omnipotent knowledge of missiles <3`
`00:14.34`	`Vail`	`i like it that if you do not specifi a unit in the launch missle ammo field it uses the caster as a missile`
`00:14.43`	`JManV`	`really?`
`00:14.46`	`JManV`	`that's awesome`
`00:14.51`	`Agouti`	`:o`
`00:14.58`	`Agouti`	`that is awesome`
`00:15.01`	`Agouti`	`wait`
`00:15.02`	`Agouti`	`must`
`00:15.03`	`Agouti`	`tell`
`00:15.04`	`Agouti`	`xen`
`00:15.06`	`Agouti`	`about that`
`00:15.14`	`Agouti`	`what an awesome way to do his charge`
`00:15.19`	`JManV`	`hehe`
`00:15.25`	`Vail`	`charge?`
`00:15.26`	`JManV`	`turn the unit into a missile`
`00:15.33`	`Vail`	`er the unit dies at impact`
`00:15.34`	`Agouti`	`he has a like charge ability`
`00:15.35`	`JManV`	`hilarious`
`00:15.48`	`Agouti`	`I'm sure you could take care of that`
`00:15.53`	`Agouti`	`with a revive or whatnot`
`00:16.11`	`Agouti`	`unless he fixed his problems with pathing layers`
`00:16.17`	`Vail`	`revive has to be hosted .. its not a free use ability`
`00:16.33`	`Agouti`	`ugh, really?`
`00:16.37`	`Agouti`	`oh`
`00:16.40`	`Agouti`	`that makes sense`
`00:16.45`	`Agouti`	`dead units can't use abilities`
`00:16.57`	`Vail`	`dead units can take buffs though`
`00:16.59`	`JManV`	`they can try :P`
`00:17.05`	`Agouti`	`haha`
`00:17.12`	`Agouti`	`wait`
`00:17.16`	`Agouti`	`you could do it with a buff`
`00:17.22`	`JManV`	`i was using the valerian whatnot`
`00:17.24`	`Agouti`	`just put the right thing in Death Response`
`00:17.28`	`JManV`	`for revive`
`00:17.33`	`JManV`	`but it was a little glitchy`
`00:17.47`	`JManV`	`and if you died in a transport... dead.`
`00:17.47`	`Agouti`	`I'm sure you could do something with Death Response`
`00:17.55`	`Agouti`	`ew`
`00:17.55`	`Agouti`	`yeah`
`00:17.57`	`Agouti`	`that`
`00:17.59`	`Vail`	`no...`
`00:18.08`	`Agouti`	`no?`
`00:18.13`	`Vail`	`i tryed for days to make a resureatcion ability`
`00:18.19`	`Agouti`	`oh`
`00:18.21`	`JManV`	`just do it in triggers`
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`00:18.24`	`Vail`	`i can bring back the actor for a dead unit ...`
`00:18.26`	`Agouti`	`tried response?`
`00:18.33`	`Vail`	`yep`
`00:18.43`	`Agouti`	`isn't dead a flag that can be set?`
`00:18.48`	`Vail`	`nope`
`00:18.50`	`Agouti`	`or is it a little deeper than that`
`00:18.53`	`Agouti`	`hmm`
`00:19.06`	`Agouti`	`Eh, I guess you can always hide a unit`
`00:19.10`	`Agouti`	`with the ability`
`00:19.11`	`Agouti`	`somewhere`
`00:19.25`	`Agouti`	`set to autocast`
`00:19.28`	`Agouti`	`or whatnot`
`00:19.30`	`Vail`	`what is this charge ability supposed to do?`
`00:19.39`	`Agouti`	`ok, if I have it right`
`00:19.41`	`Vail`	`of Xen's`
`00:19.50`	`JManV`	`kamakazi`
`00:19.52`	`JManV`	`:P`
`00:19.52`	`Agouti`	`the unit charges in a straight line`
`00:20.05`	`Agouti`	`and knockback/damage to the first unit in range`
`00:20.08`	`Agouti`	`which we got working`
`00:20.14`	`Agouti`	`then there were problems with pathing`
`00:20.15`	`JManV`	`does massive damage to everything in a straight line.. but dies :P`
`00:20.30`	`JManV`	`because he is the missile`
`00:20.35`	`JManV`	`that would be epic`
`00:20.35`	`Agouti`	`I think he fixed it by making the unit count as Burrowed while charging`
`00:20.39`	`Agouti`	`haha`
`00:20.45`	`Agouti`	`hmmm...`
`00:20.55`	`JManV`	`better for support units perhaps`
`00:20.59`	`JManV`	`than heroes`
`00:21.09`	`Agouti`	`I have a unit being tossed around on my forums with a suicide ability`
`00:21.15`	`Agouti`	`for breaking stalemates`
`00:21.21`	`JManV`	`although, i'm going to have to make self destruct as an ability`
`00:21.37`	`Agouti`	`I think it's a phoenix though, and can be revived eventually`
`00:21.41`	`Agouti`	`or something`
`00:21.51`	`Vail`	`thats not hard... effect instant ... effect suicide ... done`
`00:22.00`	`Agouti`	`ya`
`00:22.13`	`JManV`	`suicide with damage`
`00:22.25`	`JManV`	`and an explosion`
`00:22.37`	`Agouti`	`my problem with most of the community suggestions is less the implementation and more that people like to make their favourite mythology figure OP :)`
`00:23.01`	`JManV`	`true enough`
`00:23.04`	`Vail`	`i like to make EVERY THING op`
`00:23.17`	`JManV`	`that's why i went way UP in my game with everything`
`00:23.19`	`Vail`	`you should see my tech artificer...`
`00:23.25`	`Agouti`	`haha`
`00:23.26`	`JManV`	`it's easier to add power than take it away`
`00:23.43`	`Agouti`	`I prefer to add units that are if anythign a tad underpowered`
`00:23.46`	`Agouti`	`then buff where needed`
`00:23.51`	`JManV`	`exactly`
`00:24.06`	`Agouti`	`HoN took forever to realise that`
`00:24.08`	`JManV`	`most of my bonuses did very little`
`00:24.15`	`Agouti`	`everytime they added a hero it would be OP`
`00:24.15`	`Vail`	`i just go full tilt and make it all uber`
`00:24.21`	`Agouti`	`heh`
`00:24.27`	`JManV`	`heh`
`00:24.29`	`Agouti`	`ok, riddle me this:`
`00:24.37`	`Vail`	`then nerf NOTHING`
`00:24.52`	`Agouti`	`in my map, all the main hero units are put into a unit group to make it easy to see when they die`
`00:25.00`	`Agouti`	`they have to be groups, some heroes can replicate`
`00:25.04`	`Agouti`	`or A hero, really`
`00:25.21`	`Agouti`	`so the trigger for a builder dieing is`
`00:25.22`	`Agouti`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:25.22`	`Agouti`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:25.34`	`Agouti`	`the conditions, rather`
`00:25.38`	`Skittles`	`btn-tips-credits is a awesome icon`
`00:25.40`	`Skittles`	`a stack of money =D`
`00:25.50`	`Agouti`	`yet for the unit that can replicate`
`00:26.06`	`Agouti`	`it still triggers multiple times when all their heroes are taken out at once`
`00:26.14`	`Agouti`	`I don't understand how.`
`00:26.42`	`Agouti`	`is the the with at most 1?`
`00:26.52`	`Agouti`	`I thought that just stopped searching once it found 1`
`00:27.01`	`Agouti`	`save a few cpu cycles`
`00:28.09`	`JManV`	`hmm`
`00:28.57`	`Agouti`	`I think it's something to do with the fact that event is triggered multiple times in the 1 cycle`
`00:29.05`	`JManV`	`the replications are in the unit group?`
`00:29.05`	`Agouti`	`but even then, that makes limited sense`
`00:29.09`	`Agouti`	`yes`
`00:29.13`	`JManV`	`why?`
`00:29.20`	`Agouti`	`so if just 1 dies`
`00:29.23`	`Agouti`	`the player survives`
`00:29.28`	`JManV`	`oic`
`00:29.35`	`Xapti`	`wtf I'm at my wit's end with this`
`00:29.38`	`Agouti`	`but the 2 statements should be mututally excluseve`
`00:29.40`	`JManV`	`so their not hallucinations`
`00:29.45`	`Agouti`	`*exclusive`
`00:29.47`	`Vail`	`whats wrong Xapti`
`00:29.57`	`Agouti`	`no, no hullucinations`
`00:30.07`	`JManV`	`hmm`
`00:30.08`	`Xapti`	`for some reason I can't have this new actor&model to display when behavior is triggered. It works on another actor`
`00:30.12`	`Agouti`	`it should ONLY be able to trigger once for a player`
`00:30.23`	`Agouti`	`which is the last unit the that unit group`
`00:30.30`	`JManV`	`try it without the with at most`
`00:30.42`	`Agouti`	`mmm, I will`
`00:30.46`	`Agouti`	`tough to test without help though`
`00:30.52`	`Xapti`	`I copied the actor from another impact actor that works fine, and the model was the same also`
`00:30.53`	`Vail`	`what are you trying to change?`
`00:31.11`	`Xapti`	`i had to make a model and actor for this model asset already in the game`
`00:31.15`	`Xapti`	`because it didnt' exist`
`00:31.19`	`Xapti`	`it's an effect`
`00:31.50`	`Xapti`	`I can't get it to display though. I created a new event for the actor to create when behavior goes on, but it doesn't create`
`00:31.55`	`Xapti`	`or at least doesn't display`
`00:32.53`	`Vail`	`is it an external asset or is it something in the game thats unused?`
`00:33.01`	`Xapti`	`games unused`
`00:33.17`	`Vail`	`what is it?`
`00:33.25`	`Xapti`	`diamondbackmissileimpact`
`00:34.21`	`Agouti`	`Sorry for hijack: can you use Return in a trigger that returns nothing? or Break?`
`00:34.38`	`Agouti`	`to break execution of the trigger`
`00:35.21`	`Xapti`	`I think you can`
`00:35.36`	`Xapti`	`wait what do you mean by returns nothing`
`00:36.14`	`Agouti`	`has no return`
`00:36.25`	`Agouti`	`is void gf_functionName`
`00:36.47`	`Vail`	`Xapti what kind of actor are you trying to use?`
`00:36.55`	`Xapti`	`do triggers not have that?`
`00:37.17`	`Agouti`	`what I didn't know is can you even USE return in something which doesn't, in fact, return anything`
`00:37.23`	`Agouti`	`just return;`
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`00:37.27`	`Agouti`	`not return value;`
`00:37.33`	`Agouti`	`in say PHP you can`
`00:37.52`	`Xapti`	`I'm using modelanimationstyleoneshot`
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`00:38.18`	`Xapti`	`well for the parent... and actor type model`
`00:38.48`	`Xapti`	`Host:selectable, SOpAttachCeter`
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`00:40.43`	`Xapti`	`oh I think i figured it out... I needed cap 1`
`00:41.00`	`Xapti`	`AS WELL AS the BSD default actor events`
`00:41.10`	`Xapti`	`I've done one or the other but not both`
`00:41.36`	`Xapti`	`I don't understand how that works, or what Cap1 is`
`00:42.12`	`Xapti`	`wait WTF why does it work without the cap1? I didn't even change anythng...`
`00:42.25`	`Xapti`	`damn I'm confused as to why the hell this works now`
`00:42.34`	`Xapti`	`when it wasn't working before`
`00:42.53`	`Agouti`	`JManV: I think I figured out how it's happening. It's because the game works in ticks, so if all the heroes units die in 1 tick, then next tick (when the event fires), the conditions will match for each unit that died (was it a hero unit? yes. Are all hero units dead? yes.)`
`00:43.36`	`Agouti`	`I'll do a slightly cheap fix and just set a boolean array so that the trigger will only fire once for each player`
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`00:48.15`	`DarkRevenant`	`hmm`
`00:48.37`	`Skittles`	`My ui is complete. =D`
`00:48.41`	`Skittles`	`for zombies.`
`00:48.45`	`Agouti`	`lol nice`
`00:48.52`	`Agouti`	`I'm going to enjoy that map`
`00:48.59`	`Agouti`	`I was always a fan of top down shooters`
`00:48.59`	`Skittles`	`well, actually I never did the 7 local orders.`
`00:49.07`	`Agouti`	`luuurved CrimsonDawn`
`00:49.32`	`Skittles`	`mmhm`
`00:49.43`	`Skittles`	`the map now is going to be, instead or survival with side quests`
`00:49.55`	`Skittles`	`it will be competition`
`00:50.03`	`Skittles`	`you have to find 100 civilians`
`00:50.09`	`Skittles`	`b4 you wipe out`
`00:50.18`	`Skittles`	`zombie master wants to try and stop you`
`00:50.37`	`Agouti`	`nice`
`00:50.38`	`Skittles`	`I would tell you more of what the zombie master could do to stop you, but I don't wana ruin it. =D`
`00:50.51`	`Agouti`	`>:D`
`00:51.21`	`Agouti`	`sounds like a ball of decaying, violent bloodthirsty fun`
`00:51.38`	`Agouti`	`how do you rescue the civilians?`
`00:51.46`	`Agouti`	`do you have to escort to a point?`
`00:51.49`	`Agouti`	`or just touch them`
`00:52.37`	`Skittles`	`just touch them`
`00:53.24`	`Agouti`	`be cool if you had to escort them back to a dropship`
`00:53.42`	`Agouti`	`D:`
`00:54.46`	`Xapti`	`you guys use a death-revive system in your maps?`
`00:54.56`	`Xapti`	`I want to implement one in mine but haven't started on it yet`
`00:54.57`	`Agouti`	`yes`
`00:55.10`	`Agouti`	`there is a really good tutorial`
`00:55.11`	`Agouti`	`lemme find it`
`00:55.22`	`Agouti`	`http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/tutorials/4705-data-revive-heroes/`
`00:55.35`	`Xapti`	`I want an ability to revive them, and I want them to NOT revive or die pemenantly after a certain period of time`
`00:55.43`	`Xapti`	`ok`
`00:56.12`	`Xapti`	`do they need to be heroes?`
`00:56.19`	`Agouti`	`cleverest way to do the die permanently after a certain amount of time could be dummy buff and validator`
`00:56.24`	`Xapti`	`my units aren't even heros so I don't think it will be too hard`
`00:56.34`	`Agouti`	`if they aren't heroes why revive?`
`00:56.39`	`Xapti`	`i just dont' want to have to figure anythign out on myown`
`00:56.39`	`Agouti`	`why not just create another`
`00:56.50`	`Xapti`	`well because i want them to leave a corpse to be ressed`
`00:57.13`	`A1win`	`woo it's -29 C outside, luckily it's night so it'll get "warmer" (less cold) during the day :X`
`00:57.15`	`Agouti`	`thhhat is not revive`
`00:57.23`	`Agouti`	`because`
`00:57.29`	`Agouti`	`if you do it with death revive`
`00:57.32`	`Xapti`	`I'm thinking of making a system manually, using a dead body actor`
`00:57.39`	`Agouti`	`^`
`00:57.42`	`Agouti`	`is what you need to do`
`00:57.45`	`Agouti`	`like in the campaign`
`00:57.49`	`Agouti`	`and um`
`00:58.21`	`Xapti`	`-29 that's cold`
`00:58.28`	`Vail`	`you cant ressurrect the dead in starcraft 2.`
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`00:59.36`	`Vail`	`you can bring the actor back.....but cant make an unit not dead`
`01:00.45`	`Xapti`	`well i know when a unit dies it is removed`
`01:01.16`	`Vail`	`you can change the death time to a positive number over zero or a -1 and still no go`
`01:01.50`	`Xapti`	`can you make a normal unit not die like how heros go though?`
`01:02.11`	`Vail`	`the Valerian incap behavior works on any unit`
`01:03.23`	`Skizot`	`dammit helral`
`01:03.30`	`Vail`	`meow`
`01:03.44`	`Xapti`	`helrals not here`
`01:04.51`	`Skizot`	`i know`
`01:04.56`	`Skizot`	`that's why i said dammit.`
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`01:09.43`	`Xapti`	`yeah he's useful`
`01:11.13`	`JManV`	`when will people learn`
`01:11.16`	`JManV`	`void rays ruck`
`01:11.18`	`JManV`	`suck`
`01:11.21`	`Skizot`	`he sends me a cryptic as fuck message and signs off`
`01:17.32`	`Skizot`	`i hate you Xapti`
`01:17.52`	`RodOfNOD`	`lol`
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`01:18.50`	`Skittles`	`Yo.`
`01:18.53`	`Skizot`	`die.`
`01:19.02`	`Skittles`	`aw`
`01:19.08`	`Skittles`	`Don't be like that, kay? <3`
`01:21.05`	`Skizot`	`get mauled by an angry platypus?`
`01:24.41`	`Skittles`	`They have claws? I know my ex did!`
`01:24.58`	`Skittles`	`Don't believe me? Go ask your mom.`
`01:25.00`	`Skittles`	`=D`
`01:28.31`	`Skittles`	`=(`
`01:28.34`	`Skittles`	`I'm lonely.`
`01:28.38`	`Skittles`	`lol`
`01:34.24`	`Skizot`	`good.`
`01:38.07`	`Skittles`	`Person. =D`
`01:38.11`	`Skittles`	`Dustin : you there?`
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`01:38.19`	`Dustin`	`sup`
`01:38.26`	`Skittles`	`So how did you get on a server?`
`01:38.30`	`Skittles`	`Was it hacked or something?`
`01:38.48`	`Dustin`	`havent played that client i sent you on mp yet`
`01:39.00`	`Dustin`	`i did it on the free mp servers`
`01:39.40`	`Skittles`	`oh`
`01:41.53`	`DarkRevenant`	`anyone want to test my map?`
`01:42.04`	`DarkRevenant`	`i want to know how many players it can handle before lolcrash`
`01:42.09`	`DarkRevenant`	`2 is confirmed 100% stable`
`01:42.48`	`Jiiks`	`eu/us?`
`01:43.00`	`DarkRevenant`	`NA`
`01:43.10`	`DarkRevenant`	`i'm DarkRevenant.702`
`01:43.19`	`Jiiks`	`oh i'm eu =/`
`01:43.24`	`DarkRevenant`	`buh`
`01:44.08`	`Skittles`	`i would but it would break`
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`01:51.32`	`Xapti`	`anyone know what "disable info panel" does?`
`01:51.46`	`Tordy`	`so`
`01:51.48`	`Tordy`	`20:202020202022`
`01:52.16`	`Xapti`	`partt of the action "enable/disable command type"`
`01:53.35`	`Skittles`	`anyone know how to tweak the range/detector outliner to be seen by a player at all times on other peoples units?`
`01:53.36`	`Skittles`	`as in`
`01:53.44`	`Skittles`	`it just follows their units arond`
`01:53.48`	`Skittles`	`around`
`01:53.51`	`Skittles`	`but only that player can see it`
`01:54.42`	`*** join/#sc2mapster liq3 (~liquidman@ppp118-209-41-236.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net)`
`01:55.51`	`Xapti`	`oh man i just realized today`
`01:56.32`	`Xapti`	`that you can select multiple items in the data editor, and it will show multiple columns for easy comparison or multiple editing`
`01:56.41`	`Skittles`	`lol`
`01:56.51`	`Skittles`	`hey xap`
`01:56.55`	`Skittles`	`u know a bit about data right?`
`01:56.59`	`Xapti`	`yeah`
`01:57.14`	`Skittles`	`is there a way to make it so, say the hp cube, wont be picked up by certain units?`
`01:57.17`	`Skittles`	`I guess a validator?`
`01:57.20`	`Skittles`	`Is that any hard?`
`01:57.32`	`Xapti`	`certainly can be done`
`01:57.50`	`Xapti`	`might be harder depending on what the condition is, like allied faction or certain unit types,`
`01:58.26`	`Skittles`	`certain unit type`
`01:58.36`	`Xapti`	`is pick up just walking over?`
`01:58.38`	`Skittles`	`cause my projectiles are taking the thingies Xd`
`01:58.47`	`Skittles`	`u know the hp cube is already made right?`
`01:58.56`	`Skittles`	`it's in the editor by default`
`01:58.59`	`Xapti`	`because I saw some sort of pick up ability`
`01:59.00`	`Xapti`	`yeah`
`01:59.11`	`Skittles`	`i just wana tweak that so only my heroes can grab em`
`02:00.12`	`Xapti`	`there's an ability called pickup, i'm not sure if it has to do with anything`
`02:00.28`	`Xapti`	`haven't dealt wih powerup things yet`
`02:00.44`	`JManV`	`wtf builds a gate on 7?`
`02:01.03`	`Xapti`	`I suppose it's not used though, so maybe forget about tat`
`02:01.57`	`Skittles`	`btw`
`02:01.58`	`Skittles`	`http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=m9y2ox&s=7`
`02:02.00`	`Xapti`	`oh it's used, but the pickup items have the ability`
`02:02.03`	`Skittles`	`like my chrome theme?`
`02:02.04`	`Skittles`	`lol`
`02:02.06`	`JManV`	`dude, this guy is the worst player ever`
`02:02.06`	`Xapti`	`ohhh so that can wrok well I think`
`02:02.25`	`Xapti`	`JmanV you playing ladder games?`
`02:02.36`	`Skittles`	`watch him die as he talks to us`
`02:02.37`	`Skittles`	`;P`
`02:02.38`	`JManV`	`i was playing a 4v4`
`02:02.54`	`Skittles`	`im guessing ur teammate did that then?`
`02:02.58`	`JManV`	`some guy cannon rushed and flopped... and he didn't get the least number of points`
`02:03.06`	`JManV`	`no, an enemy`
`02:03.12`	`Skittles`	`lol`
`02:03.13`	`JManV`	`this one guy did worse`
`02:03.21`	`JManV`	`and i wanted to know why`
`02:03.23`	`JManV`	`he built a gate on 7`
`02:03.29`	`Skittles`	`7?`
`02:03.33`	`JManV`	`then forgot to build out of it when it finished`
`02:03.39`	`JManV`	`the queued 2 zealots`
`02:03.43`	`JManV`	`and chronod`
`02:03.49`	`Skittles`	`oh`
`02:03.51`	`JManV`	`then dropped a very late second gate`
`02:04.00`	`JManV`	`i also 2-gated`
`02:04.10`	`JManV`	`i had 2 gates finished when he dropped his`
`02:04.16`	`JManV`	`and 3 zealots to his 2`
`02:04.20`	`Skittles`	`oh u mean he had 7 zealots and then made a warp gate?`
`02:04.26`	`JManV`	`no chrono on zealots for me?`
`02:04.35`	`JManV`	`no, he had 2`
`02:04.40`	`Skittles`	`im so confused`
`02:04.44`	`Skittles`	`wtf is the 7 for then`
`02:04.56`	`JManV`	`he built and initial probe`
`02:05.01`	`JManV`	`then a pylon`
`02:05.04`	`JManV`	`no other probes`
`02:05.07`	`JManV`	`then a gateway`
`02:05.13`	`JManV`	`then he build probes`
`02:05.19`	`JManV`	`7 supply`
`02:05.21`	`Xapti`	`ok skittles so the way the pickups work is they are neutral units with an ability called "pickup" that's on auto-cast when a unit gets within 1 range (probably not counting the pickup's radius)`
`02:05.24`	`Skittles`	`oh gotcha`
`02:05.27`	`XenoX101`	`hai guys`
`02:05.33`	`Xapti`	`for that ability, there's an auto-cast validator`
`02:05.33`	`JManV`	`so he was way behind`
`02:06.00`	`Xapti`	`the health powerups use their own pickupability`
`02:06.06`	`XenoX101`	`my SC2 editor crashed on boot up just now`
`02:06.08`	`Xapti`	`not the normal "pickup"`
`02:06.11`	`Skittles`	`wait`
`02:06.19`	`Skittles`	`so all units have the pick up ability?`
`02:06.23`	`Skittles`	`so I could just delete it?`
`02:06.24`	`XenoX101`	`I was a bit trigger happy in opening it before the comp loaded`
`02:06.31`	`XenoX101`	`but still, pretty funny`
`02:06.32`	`Xapti`	`no all pickups have the pick up ability`
`02:06.56`	`Xapti`	`they essentially jump onto the unit`
`02:07.05`	`Xapti`	`unstead of the unit taking them`
`02:07.21`	`Skittles`	`oh`
`02:07.22`	`Skittles`	`gotcha`
`02:07.33`	`Skittles`	`so i make a auto cast alidaot`
`02:07.35`	`Skittles`	`validator`
`02:07.38`	`Skittles`	`and add it to it?`
`02:07.45`	`Xapti`	`you will want to change the validator for the pickup ability of that unit`
`02:07.49`	`Skittles`	`or edit the one they have?`
`02:07.57`	`Skittles`	`unit as in power up?`
`02:08.02`	`Xapti`	`you can edit teir validator or make a new one`
`02:08.10`	`Xapti`	`unit as in power up yes`
`02:08.15`	`Skittles`	`k`
`02:08.27`	`Skittles`	`guess ill try that out after sc2`
`02:08.31`	`Skittles`	`i mean after darks game`
`02:08.46`	`Xapti`	`oh cool so it's a combine`
`02:08.49`	`Skittles`	`so you think that is going to be to hard for a nub validator to do?`
`02:08.54`	`XenoX101`	`we need more games with powerups`
`02:08.59`	`XenoX101`	`people are too lazy`
`02:09.07`	`Xapti`	`so you can like easily combine a bunch of validators that say "not this unit" "not that unit", etc.\`
`02:09.08`	`Skittles`	`mmhmm`
`02:09.11`	`XenoX101`	`'I'll just put a building here when you can upgrade everything'`
`02:09.12`	`XenoX101`	`-.-`
`02:09.15`	`Skittles`	`okay`
`02:09.38`	`XenoX101`	`I just got an idea actually`
`02:09.39`	`Xapti`	`what hapened to that infestation arena game`
`02:09.45`	`Skittles`	`validators are self explainatory or? I hear a lot of bad things about them being hard. Xd`
`02:09.49`	`XenoX101`	`I might put quad damage in my map`
`02:09.52`	`Xapti`	`yeah that's a good point XenoX, although`
`02:09.57`	`Xapti`	`there are some maps`
`02:09.59`	`Vail`	`validators are a bit reversed ..`
`02:10.03`	`Skittles`	`idk infest arena was the only map I actually liked at the time`
`02:10.08`	`Vail`	`form what you think they mean`
`02:10.11`	`Skittles`	`reversed/`
`02:10.12`	`Skittles`	`?`
`02:10.15`	`Skittles`	`oh?`
`02:10.23`	`Skittles`	`I think it means conditions?`
`02:11.08`	`XenoX101`	`holy shit you're right, you CAN select multiple items for comparison!`
`02:11.25`	`Skittles`	`0.0`
`02:11.25`	`Xapti`	`what?`
`02:11.26`	`Vail`	`like if you use a validator to check and see if a units health is 50% it asks is the units health 50% not true then work`
`02:11.34`	`Skittles`	`HOLY SHIT`
`02:11.52`	`Skittles`	`I thought I was talking to the same person this whole time`
`02:11.57`	`Xapti`	`lol`
`02:11.57`	`Skittles`	`but it was xapti and xeno`
`02:11.58`	`Skittles`	`Xd`
`02:12.08`	`Skittles`	`guess I stopped at the X`
`02:12.29`	`Vail`	`what i said is a bit of a generalization though`
`02:12.42`	`XenoX101`	`lol`
`02:12.42`	`Xapti`	`validators you can see if you goto the pickup's validator`
`02:12.43`	`Xapti`	`it's a combine of multiple other validators`
`02:13.15`	`Xapti`	`If you click to add one , you will see things like "is mutalisk, is zergling, is NOT cloaked" etc.`
`02:13.32`	`Xapti`	`there isn't is NOT zergling, so you would need to make one`
`02:13.33`	`XenoX101`	`you can do the cloaked thing in search filter`
`02:14.03`	`Xapti`	`yeah I guess, just an example though`
`02:14.12`	`XenoX101`	`and if you have heroes, you can just apply a behaviour to them and do a behaviour count for heroes`
`02:14.20`	`XenoX101`	`I mean, have an inherent behaviour`
`02:14.26`	`Xapti`	`If you only want a few unit types to pick up the pickup, you'll just need to add those unit validators`
`02:14.52`	`Xapti`	`if you want only a few units EXCLUDED to pick up the pickup, then you'll first need to MAKE those "not unit" validators, then add them`
`02:15.22`	`XenoX101`	`you only need the one validator really`
`02:15.33`	`XenoX101`	`"Check behaviour count: Can pickup powerups"`
`02:15.39`	`XenoX101`	`then add that behaviour to the units you want`
`02:15.43`	`XenoX101`	`to be able to pick it up`
`02:15.51`	`XenoX101`	`"Can pickup powerups"`
`02:16.14`	`XenoX101`	`SC2 uses chockloads of behaviours for menial things`
`02:16.14`	`Xapti`	`yeah that was another option`
`02:16.16`	`XenoX101`	`so it won't add to the load`
`02:16.32`	`XenoX101`	`in any real way`
`02:16.52`	`XenoX101`	`btw yesterday`
`02:17.03`	`XenoX101`	`JManV, Helral and I made a fireball spell for me`
`02:17.20`	`XenoX101`	`that does splash around the missile, which doesnt stack on itself each cast`
`02:17.21`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Skizot (~skizot@226-187.200-68.tampabay.res.rr.com)`
`02:17.24`	`XenoX101`	`but WILL stack on repeated casts`
`02:17.32`	`XenoX101`	`using markers`
`02:17.34`	`Xapti`	`oh and BTW even if you want a few unit types to pick up the item, you will still likely need to make a validator for them. Only some units have IS and IS NOT validators`
`02:17.41`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Skittles (ad39a794@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.57.167.148)`
`02:17.53`	`Skittles`	`anybody else have to leave?`
`02:18.02`	`Skittles`	`wouldn't let me type then wouldn't let me refresh then blah`
`02:18.09`	`XenoX101`	`mIRC ftw`
`02:18.24`	`Xapti`	`I don't get it XenoX`
`02:18.40`	`Xapti`	`oh and BTW even if you want a few unit types to pick up the item, you will still likely need to make a validator for them. Only some units have IS and IS NOT validators`
`02:19.00`	`XenoX101`	`Xapti: the marker prevents it for doubling up behaviours per cast`
`02:19.07`	`XenoX101`	`from*`
`02:19.08`	`Xapti`	`I don't like mIRC. HydraIRC is nice and simple, but has all the GUI and features I need`
`02:19.30`	`XenoX101`	`but you can double up behaviours on SEPERATE casts`
`02:19.45`	`Xapti`	`oh you mean from separate casters or`
`02:19.56`	`XenoX101`	`yeah, seperate casters`
`02:19.57`	`Xapti`	`oh you mean one that will apply multiple times like a DoT`
`02:20.09`	`XenoX101`	`but the caster can be the same person again`
`02:20.17`	`XenoX101`	`(still counts as a seperate caster)`
`02:20.35`	`Xapti`	`ok, but I still don't understand how would 1 cast apply the behavior more thn once`
`02:20.36`	`Skittles`	`I'm just one a irc @.@`
`02:20.49`	`Xapti`	`what Skittles?`
`02:20.51`	`XenoX101`	`because I made it do multiple stacks`
`02:20.53`	`Skittles`	`on a`
`02:21.03`	`XenoX101`	`err, I enabled multiple stacks`
`02:21.08`	`Xapti`	`qwebirc`
`02:21.12`	`XenoX101`	`and my AoE is a periodic`
`02:21.29`	`XenoX101`	`so a unit can be hit by my AoE fireball about 6 times I believe`
`02:21.32`	`XenoX101`	`in a single cast`
`02:21.36`	`Skittles`	`0.0`
`02:21.41`	`Xapti`	`oh`
`02:21.55`	`Xapti`	`so at least I know what markers are for now`
`02:21.56`	`XenoX101`	`yet thanks to markers it only triggers once, EVEN THOUGH I gave behaviour 999 stacks`
`02:22.06`	`Xapti`	`anything special you need to do to use them?`
`02:22.20`	`XenoX101`	`I had it figured out in my head last night`
`02:22.22`	`XenoX101`	`in the shower lol`
`02:22.23`	`XenoX101`	`um`
`02:22.28`	`XenoX101`	`let me recount`
`02:22.29`	`Xapti`	`why would you give the behaviour 999 stacks though? just as a test?`
`02:22.48`	`XenoX101`	`no, because its not really a behaviour, its just DoT`
`02:22.54`	`XenoX101`	`and I want DoT to stack`
`02:22.55`	`XenoX101`	`infinitely`
`02:23.07`	`XenoX101`	`so 10 people casting it on the 1 unit`
`02:23.11`	`XenoX101`	`will do 10 DoT effects`
`02:23.19`	`Xapti`	`oh you mean MAXIMUM stacks`
`02:23.25`	`XenoX101`	`yeah`
`02:23.26`	`XenoX101`	`sorry`
`02:23.27`	`XenoX101`	`wasnt clear there`
`02:23.36`	`Xapti`	`I thought you meant apply 999 stacks each time the effect is used`
`02:23.43`	`XenoX101`	`lol`
`02:23.43`	`XenoX101`	`nah`
`02:24.43`	`XenoX101`	`ok so`
`02:24.46`	`XenoX101`	`my create missile has`
`02:25.01`	`XenoX101`	`no wait`
`02:25.04`	`XenoX101`	`ignore that`
`02:25.11`	`XenoX101`	`my AoE damage`
`02:25.17`	`XenoX101`	`has Casting unit as a marker`
`02:25.24`	`XenoX101`	`Count 1 as usual`
`02:25.27`	`XenoX101`	`so it marks the casting unit`
`02:25.31`	`XenoX101`	`right?`
`02:25.38`	`XenoX101`	`now my DoT Buff`
`02:25.43`	`XenoX101`	`which is what the AoE applies`
`02:25.48`	`XenoX101`	`has a VALIDATOR on it`
`02:25.52`	`XenoX101`	`"NO markers"`
`02:26.13`	`Xapti`	`oh`
`02:26.18`	`XenoX101`	`so what happens is`
`02:26.22`	`XenoX101`	`the first time it casts`
`02:26.25`	`XenoX101`	`there is no marker for caster unit`
`02:26.29`	`XenoX101`	`(it has never been hit)`
`02:26.33`	`XenoX101`	`the second time it casts`
`02:26.37`	`XenoX101`	`the unit has a marker for caster unit already`
`02:26.51`	`XenoX101`	`each time you apply a marker it like 'tags' every unit of that effect`
`02:26.54`	`Xapti`	`you mean the second time it triggers from the same cast`
`02:26.57`	`XenoX101`	`yes`
`02:27.01`	`XenoX101`	`sorry`
`02:27.03`	`XenoX101`	`thats what I meant`
`02:27.13`	`Xapti`	`ok`
`02:27.14`	`Xapti`	`cool`
`02:27.18`	`XenoX101`	`so markers are effectively a way of 'tagging' your units`
`02:27.21`	`XenoX101`	`and`
`02:27.23`	`XenoX101`	`the nicest thing`
`02:27.32`	`XenoX101`	`you can change the validator to make it do it multiple times`
`02:27.36`	`XenoX101`	`instead of no markers`
`02:27.38`	`XenoX101`	`marker = 1`
`02:27.42`	`XenoX101`	`would make it stack twice`
`02:27.48`	`Xapti`	`yeah`
`02:28.00`	`XenoX101`	`Or, you could apply the marker to the damage only`
`02:28.06`	`XenoX101`	`err, the check to the damage only`
`02:28.10`	`XenoX101`	`so that one effect stacks`
`02:28.11`	`XenoX101`	`the other doesnt`
`02:28.44`	`Xapti`	`Skittles hows your pickup thing going`
`02:29.00`	`Skittles`	`haven't started`
`02:29.07`	`Skittles`	`still waiting for dark to start the damn game. Xd`
`02:29.22`	`XenoX101`	`DarkRevenant?`
`02:29.34`	`XenoX101`	`he's an unhappy chappy`
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`02:31.10`	`Xapti`	`Man I really wish some other things, like FLAGS would have tooltips`
`02:31.43`	`Skittles`	`0.0`
`02:31.47`	`Skittles`	`flags?`
`02:32.07`	`Xapti`	`yeah data editor flags`
`02:37.22`	`Skittles`	`mk`
`02:37.34`	`Skittles`	`oh that`
`02:38.21`	`Skittles`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chi9ZNsYIGI&feature=related`
`02:38.25`	`Skittles`	`hey its xeno`
`02:38.35`	`XenoX101`	`hello`
`02:38.46`	`Skittles`	`lol`
`02:39.31`	`DarkRevenant`	`skittles`
`02:39.33`	`DarkRevenant`	`we're starting`
`02:39.41`	`Skittles`	`k`
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`02:48.39`	`Vail`	`man i can not wait for the 1.2 patch ...`
`02:50.34`	`Skizot`	`yeah you can`
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`02:52.53`	`JManV`	`it looks like my file copy is done`
`03:12.18`	`nicoli_s`	`Skizot:got the ai to chase a unit around the map, and will kill it if it gets in range :)`
`03:19.25`	`Kieldro`	`Anyone know how to make adblocker work on this site? http://www.cbs.com/primetime/survivor/video/?pid=UjESJqgqC064et_b914SxJfORWE_xVdm&vs=Ponderosa&play=true`
`03:22.27`	`DarkRevenant`	`that's the memory bug`
`03:22.32`	`Skittles`	`lol`
`03:22.35`	`Skittles`	`it crashed for u too?`
`03:22.38`	`DarkRevenant`	`everyone`
`03:22.40`	`DarkRevenant`	`yes`
`03:22.41`	`Skittles`	`k`
`03:22.42`	`DarkRevenant`	`because it reached max`
`03:22.45`	`Skittles`	`thanks for warning. lolz`
`03:23.10`	`Skittles`	`what was it called again?`
`03:23.11`	`Skittles`	`dop?`
`03:23.49`	`DarkRevenant`	`depth`
`03:23.51`	`DarkRevenant`	`of`
`03:23.52`	`DarkRevenant`	`field`
`03:24.42`	`Skittles`	`ty`
`03:24.48`	`Skittles`	`afk for a few`
`03:28.07`	`Skittles`	`back`
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`03:46.48`	`JManV`	`dude we drained the map on that game`
`03:52.18`	`Agouti`	`lol?`
`03:52.55`	`Agouti`	`ok, anybody know if you can set a Ignore Placement flag for train abilities? Or set the placement radius?`
`03:53.21`	`Agouti`	`wait, never mind, found it :<`
`03:53.32`	`XenoX101`	`JManV I got another issue with my fireball ><`
`03:53.43`	`Agouti`	`o noes`
`03:53.44`	`XenoX101`	`stacked behaviours don't recast initial damage`
`03:53.47`	`Agouti`	`o btw xen`
`03:53.56`	`XenoX101`	`yo`
`03:53.58`	`Agouti`	`wait`
`03:53.59`	`Agouti`	`what?`
`03:54.05`	`Agouti`	`so only the first in the stack`
`03:54.08`	`XenoX101`	`yes`
`03:54.12`	`Agouti`	`applies the initial effect?`
`03:54.14`	`Agouti`	`:-/`
`03:54.15`	`XenoX101`	`correct`
`03:54.19`	`XenoX101`	`its stupid`
`03:54.21`	`Agouti`	`periodic maybe?`
`03:54.27`	`Agouti`	`with 1 period?`
`03:54.27`	`XenoX101`	`yeah periodic is fine`
`03:54.32`	`XenoX101`	`I'm already using a periodic though`
`03:54.35`	`Agouti`	`wow that is retarded`
`03:54.35`	`XenoX101`	`DoT`
`03:54.46`	`Agouti`	`effect set kgo`
`03:54.48`	`Agouti`	`lol`
`03:54.52`	`Agouti`	`oh yeah`
`03:54.57`	`Agouti`	`thats what I was going to ask`
`03:55.03`	`Agouti`	`did you get your charge working properly?`
`03:55.09`	`XenoX101`	`yep`
`03:55.10`	`XenoX101`	`using trig`
`03:55.12`	`Agouti`	`sweet`
`03:55.13`	`XenoX101`	`to disable mover`
`03:55.15`	`Agouti`	`oh`
`03:55.23`	`Agouti`	`meh w/e works`
`03:55.24`	`XenoX101`	`err, remove radius`
`03:55.28`	`Agouti`	`ah`
`03:55.29`	`XenoX101`	`and change mover`
`03:55.31`	`Agouti`	`sweet`
`03:55.31`	`XenoX101`	`ya`
`03:55.36`	`XenoX101`	`no other way`
`03:55.43`	`XenoX101`	`cause data can't change those things`
`03:55.47`	`XenoX101`	`on the fly`
`03:55.55`	`Agouti`	`wow it's suddenly PISSING down`
`03:56.02`	`XenoX101`	`I also made an obelisk`
`03:56.02`	`Agouti`	`like, huge downpour out of nowhere`
`03:56.06`	`XenoX101`	`which is awesome`
`03:56.07`	`Agouti`	`and the sun is still shining @__@`
`03:56.10`	`XenoX101`	`lol`
`03:56.29`	`Agouti`	`ooo obelisk`
`03:56.35`	`Agouti`	`I got my item working in the end`
`03:56.39`	`Agouti`	`which made me happy`
`03:56.47`	`XenoX101`	`cool`
`03:56.50`	`XenoX101`	`have you sorted the AI yet`
`03:57.04`	`Agouti`	`I'm not doing an AI`
`03:57.09`	`Agouti`	`might have me confused`
`03:57.12`	`XenoX101`	`ohh`
`03:57.13`	`XenoX101`	`nvm`
`03:57.14`	`XenoX101`	`lol`
`03:57.36`	`Agouti`	`though I'm flattered ;P`
`03:57.39`	`XenoX101`	`haha`
`03:59.03`	`XenoX101`	`so yeah`
`03:59.07`	`XenoX101`	`this marker is shitting me`
`03:59.33`	`Agouti`	`:<`
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`04:00.14`	`XenoX101`	`problem is not many people know how to use markers`
`04:00.45`	`XenoX101`	`so I might have to tackle this on my own`
`04:00.58`	`XenoX101`	`rr'`
`04:00.59`	`Agouti`	`did you get that link I sent you?`
`04:01.06`	`Agouti`	`explaining what they are for?`
`04:01.09`	`XenoX101`	`which one`
`04:01.10`	`XenoX101`	`nope`
`04:01.13`	`Agouti`	`:o`
`04:02.05`	`Agouti`	`http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/map-development/3338-markers-how/?post=5`
`04:03.06`	`Agouti`	`they are what you are supposed to use instead of dummy buffs as well`
`04:03.41`	`XenoX101`	`yeah I know`
`04:04.05`	`Agouti`	`o`
`04:04.25`	`Agouti`	`well I didn't before I found that ^__^`
`04:06.40`	`Skittles`	`0.0`
`04:06.47`	`XenoX101`	`damn this is so annoying`
`04:07.16`	`Skittles`	`are u still on that dot xeno?`
`04:07.24`	`XenoX101`	`yeah`
`04:07.28`	`XenoX101`	`its not the DoT though, that works fine`
`04:07.32`	`XenoX101`	`its the damn impact damage`
`04:07.33`	`Skittles`	`was that earlier today or yesterday?`
`04:07.36`	`XenoX101`	`yesterday`
`04:07.41`	`Skittles`	`damn`
`04:07.46`	`Skittles`	`long while then eh`
`04:07.53`	`XenoX101`	`mm`
`04:08.03`	`XenoX101`	`well I spent like 3 hours on it yestie`
`04:08.07`	`XenoX101`	`and like 1 hour so far`
`04:08.09`	`XenoX101`	`today`
`04:09.31`	`Agouti`	`I spent 4 hours on a set of upgrade requirements before I discovered GE had just glitched`
`04:09.32`	`Agouti`	`:P`
`04:09.43`	`XenoX101`	`lol`
`04:10.09`	`Agouti`	`at least now we know why sc2 took so long`
`04:13.21`	`Skittles`	`kik`
`04:13.23`	`Skittles`	`lol`
`04:13.33`	`Skittles`	`imagine if they had heroes`
`04:13.37`	`Skittles`	`brv`
`04:13.38`	`Skittles`	`brb`
`04:13.43`	`Agouti`	`they do in the SP`
`04:13.44`	`Agouti`	`:P`
`04:13.53`	`Skittles`	`i mean real heroes`
`04:13.56`	`Skittles`	`like wc3`
`04:14.00`	`Skittles`	`back btw`
`04:14.08`	`Agouti`	`wb`
`04:14.09`	`Skittles`	`agouti we should test ur rpg`
`04:14.25`	`Agouti`	`it's not an rpg as such`
`04:14.30`	`Skittles`	`we should test it.`
`04:14.32`	`Agouti`	`and it's been up and running for a bit`
`04:14.36`	`Agouti`	`page um`
`04:14.38`	`Skittles`	`And then decide if it is or isn't!`
`04:14.38`	`Agouti`	`4 or so`
`04:14.39`	`Skittles`	`=D`
`04:14.44`	`Skittles`	`name?`
`04:14.57`	`Agouti`	`look for Island Defense (Dev Version)`
`04:15.07`	`Skittles`	`?>`
`04:15.11`	`Skittles`	`Thought you were making a rpg`
`04:15.15`	`Agouti`	`but there might not be many people on that version at this time of night US`
`04:15.22`	`Skittles`	`isn't that why I sent u that map?`
`04:15.29`	`Skittles`	`With the move unit instantly thing`
`04:15.37`	`Agouti`	`it's kinda RPH`
`04:15.39`	`Agouti`	`RPG`
`04:15.51`	`Skittles`	`island defense or is it a different game? XD`
`04:16.05`	`Agouti`	`island defense isn't tower defense`
`04:16.06`	`Agouti`	`btw`
`04:16.24`	`XenoX101`	`ohhhh I know why this isn't working`
`04:16.24`	`Skittles`	`hmm?`
`04:16.25`	`Agouti`	`it's like cat & mouse/tree tag/whatnot`
`04:16.28`	`XenoX101`	`of course`
`04:16.31`	`Skittles`	`mmhmm`
`04:16.49`	`XenoX101`	`when the search area marks the target, it is marking the damage!`
`04:17.02`	`XenoX101`	`damage cant be marked, obviously`
`04:17.02`	`Agouti`	`the old version of ID always has players`
`04:17.09`	`Agouti`	`if you want to get a feel for the gamestyle`
`04:17.16`	`XenoX101`	`silly me`
`04:17.44`	`Skittles`	`hmm`
`04:19.19`	`XenoX101`	`so in this I have to mark the apply behaviour buff as the caster`
`04:19.45`	`XenoX101`	`cause thats the only tangible part of my ability`
`04:19.58`	`Skittles`	`<PROTECTED>`
`04:20.27`	`Skittles`	`ah`
`04:20.32`	`Skittles`	`tweak human ui too Xd`
`04:21.24`	`Skittles`	`and make revival and man-down system`
`04:21.26`	`Skittles`	`Xd`
`04:21.53`	`Skittles`	`eh, think I Shouldn't bother with man down?`
`04:22.02`	`Skittles`	`sounds like a pain in the ass`
`04:23.42`	`XenoX101`	`ok sweet so my DoT works beautifully`
`04:23.46`	`XenoX101`	`I even got the actors to stack`
`04:23.51`	`XenoX101`	`by applying them to the apply behaviour effect`
`04:23.59`	`XenoX101`	`rather than the behaviour itself`
`04:24.14`	`XenoX101`	`and they only stack once per cast like before`
`04:24.22`	`XenoX101`	`hm`
`04:24.26`	`XenoX101`	`so somehow`
`04:24.28`	`XenoX101`	`I have to add my damage in`
`04:24.34`	`XenoX101`	`and I know it can't be`
`04:24.45`	`XenoX101`	`anyway`
`04:25.26`	`Skittles`	`Anybody know of a stupidity icon in the editor?`
`04:25.33`	`XenoX101`	`lol?`
`04:26.16`	`Skittles`	`it's one of the moves you can use`
`04:26.25`	`XenoX101`	`oh`
`04:26.34`	`Skittles`	`you take advantage of a zombies stupidity and he picks up a grenade and runs at the enemy`
`04:26.36`	`Skittles`	`Xd`
`04:27.15`	`XenoX101`	`blackhole would work`
`04:27.40`	`Skittles`	`stimpack would work too`
`04:27.42`	`Skittles`	`lol`
`04:27.52`	`Skittles`	`don't do drugs kids.`
`04:28.19`	`Skittles`	`or this would be u in a zombie apoc`
`04:28.27`	`XenoX101`	`mindblast`
`04:28.28`	`XenoX101`	`icon`
`04:29.07`	`XenoX101`	`orr`
`04:29.09`	`XenoX101`	`even better`
`04:29.17`	`XenoX101`	`btn-behaviour-incapacitated`
`04:29.34`	`Skittles`	`or acid`
`04:29.37`	`Skittles`	`don't drop the acid`
`04:29.43`	`Skittles`	`im already using mindblast or something tho`
`04:29.46`	`Skittles`	`or am i`
`04:29.47`	`Skittles`	`hmm`
`04:29.58`	`XenoX101`	`incapacitated would work best imo`
`04:30.17`	`Skittles`	`oh wait i think i found that for this one then cnped it for the others and so i had more then 1 icon with it`
`04:30.18`	`XenoX101`	`mindblast is also more ambiguous`
`04:30.59`	`Skittles`	`lol incap Xd`
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`04:32.00`	`Skittles`	`well thanks for the help. =D`
`04:32.04`	`XenoX101`	`np`
`04:32.25`	`Agouti`	`skittles: stupidity icon qould be the ?`
`04:32.31`	`Agouti`	`or maybe the mindblast one`
`04:32.39`	`Agouti`	`I think :)`
`04:32.53`	`Agouti`	`oh right`
`04:32.55`	`Agouti`	`reads rest`
`04:33.11`	`Agouti`	`the big ? would work though`
`04:33.23`	`Skittles`	`gawd ur such a poser`
`04:33.30`	`Agouti`	`:o`
`04:33.34`	`Agouti`	`say it aint so`
`04:33.47`	`Agouti`	`why D:`
`04:33.48`	`Skittles`	`=(`
`04:33.55`	`Agouti`	`what!`
`04:34.00`	`Skittles`	`Is was just meant to be.`
`04:34.00`	`Agouti`	`:-/`
`04:34.09`	`Agouti`	`O__O`
`04:34.14`	`Agouti`	`erer`
`04:34.27`	`Agouti`	`I'm still confused and hurt :(`
`04:34.36`	`Skittles`	`wana c the new lay out?`
`04:34.41`	`Agouti`	`not now :(`
`04:34.45`	`Agouti`	`meanie`
`04:34.46`	`Skittles`	`=(`
`04:34.50`	`Skittles`	`I'll take a pic?`
`04:34.50`	`XenoX101`	`are behaviours global?`
`04:34.58`	`Agouti`	`i am NOT a poser`
`04:35.00`	`Agouti`	`leave me alone`
`04:35.08`	`Skittles`	`You're right.`
`04:35.11`	`XenoX101`	`like if I apply a temp behaviour or a unit will other casters abide by validators that check for that behaviour?`
`04:35.11`	`Skittles`	`You're fruity.`
`04:35.13`	`Agouti`	`but I am also going afk`
`04:35.14`	`XenoX101`	`on*`
`04:35.22`	`Skittles`	`y?`
`04:35.31`	`Skittles`	`Tell me what your doing. @.@`
`04:35.32`	`Agouti`	`work on car`
`04:35.33`	`Skittles`	`rawr`
`04:35.38`	`Skittles`	`at 11pm!?`
`04:35.41`	`Skittles`	`lol`
`04:35.42`	`XenoX101`	`3:35`
`04:35.45`	`Agouti`	`it's 3:30 pm here`
`04:35.45`	`Skittles`	`yeps`
`04:35.52`	`Skittles`	`oh xeno is austrailian too`
`04:35.53`	`Skittles`	`i forgot`
`04:35.57`	`Agouti`	`^__^`
`04:35.59`	`XenoX101`	`ya`
`04:36.06`	`Agouti`	`bbl`
`04:36.07`	`XenoX101`	`got sumfin to say? ;p`
`04:36.09`	`XenoX101`	`jk`
`04:36.49`	`XenoX101`	`man I swear there is no way to do this`
`04:38.20`	`XenoX101`	`unless...`
`04:39.09`	`Skittles`	`mmhmm`
`04:39.16`	`Skittles`	`minecraft time`
`04:39.22`	`XenoX101`	`boo minecraft`
`04:39.28`	`XenoX101`	`hissssss`
`04:39.30`	`Skittles`	`0.0`
`04:39.36`	`Skittles`	`It needs more to do for sure yeah`
`04:39.43`	`Skittles`	`and water is kinda ghetto`
`04:39.51`	`XenoX101`	`its the game that wants to be a game but is not really a game`
`04:40.26`	`XenoX101`	`its a thinly veiled game of lego`
`04:41.40`	`XenoX101`	`minecraft would be amazing if there was some non-artistic reason to play it`
`04:41.49`	`XenoX101`	`like, a challenge`
`04:42.26`	`XenoX101`	`but no, you get zombies that cant get past 2 block high walls of any material`
`04:42.39`	`lotharscm`	`how do people get enough people to test their maps`
`04:42.46`	`XenoX101`	`friendzzz`
`04:43.01`	`lotharscm`	`i never have 9 people that want to test at once`
`04:43.22`	`XenoX101`	`AI & friends`
`04:43.34`	`lotharscm`	`ai lmao`
`04:43.38`	`XenoX101`	`work in AI`
`04:43.42`	`XenoX101`	`just a basic one`
`04:43.47`	`XenoX101`	`that will do as its told`
`04:43.51`	`XenoX101`	`then tell it to do stuff`
`04:44.47`	`Xapti`	`anyone know if it's possible to makeor move message areas?`
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`04:48.26`	`lotharscm`	`that sounds like more work than finding people (xeno)`
`04:49.30`	`XenoX101`	`perhaps`
`04:49.41`	`XenoX101`	`but if you can't find people`
`04:49.43`	`XenoX101`	`whats the alternative?`
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`05:04.38`	`XenoX101`	`aha yes!`
`05:04.40`	`XenoX101`	`I did it!`
`05:04.53`	`Tordy`	`hi guys`
`05:04.58`	`Tordy`	`im eating peking duck`
`05:05.02`	`XenoX101`	`I had to create a secondary behaviour to cast the inital damage which was weird`
`05:05.04`	`XenoX101`	`but I did it!`
`05:05.42`	`Tordy`	`XenoX101 what are you doing!?`
`05:05.50`	`Tordy`	`im curious`
`05:05.52`	`XenoX101`	`stackable fireball`
`05:05.54`	`XenoX101`	`with DoT`
`05:06.22`	`XenoX101`	`so it blazes a trail of inital damage and DoT, which only counts once per unit in its path`
`05:06.33`	`XenoX101`	`but you can keep casting to add more of them`
`05:06.53`	`Tordy`	`so it's like hellion's flame?`
`05:06.56`	`Tordy`	`cept`
`05:06.58`	`Tordy`	`damage overtime`
`05:07.02`	`Tordy`	`and stack`
`05:07.03`	`XenoX101`	`yeah`
`05:07.04`	`Tordy`	`and slower projectile`
`05:07.06`	`XenoX101`	`lol`
`05:07.10`	`XenoX101`	`ya`
`05:07.11`	`Tordy`	`:O`
`05:07.13`	`Tordy`	`:)`
`05:07.18`	`XenoX101`	`I might make a tutorial for it at the end`
`05:07.23`	`XenoX101`	`but I was thinking last night`
`05:07.34`	`XenoX101`	`I'll make a multiple choice poll at the end of my map`
`05:07.41`	`XenoX101`	`to ask people what effects they'd like to recreate`
`05:07.46`	`XenoX101`	`err, spells`
`05:07.53`	`XenoX101`	`that way I can make tutorials for the most sought after of my spells`
`05:08.01`	`XenoX101`	`(if people want it)`
`05:08.13`	`XenoX101`	`cause its a waste to figure all this stuff out, and then nobody else can benefit`
`05:08.27`	`Tordy`	`wait how do you save the poll results`
`05:08.29`	`XenoX101`	`why should 100 people figure the same 100 things out`
`05:08.41`	`XenoX101`	`no lol`
`05:08.43`	`XenoX101`	`I meant`
`05:08.44`	`Tordy`	`or are you just seeing the results from the same game you play`
`05:08.50`	`XenoX101`	`at the end of creating my map`
`05:08.52`	`XenoX101`	`on the forums`
`05:08.53`	`XenoX101`	`lol`
`05:08.59`	`Tordy`	`oh :)`
`05:09.14`	`XenoX101`	`yeah`
`05:09.42`	`XenoX101`	`I think any good-hearted mapmaker who can make tutorials should endeavour to do so`
`05:09.49`	`XenoX101`	`with any unique things that they've figured out`
`05:10.01`	`Tordy`	`i didnt figure out any unique things :[`
`05:10.01`	`XenoX101`	`otherwise we don't get anywhere`
`05:10.05`	`Tordy`	`i wish i could`
`05:10.06`	`XenoX101`	`lol`
`05:10.20`	`XenoX101`	`the thing is`
`05:10.23`	`XenoX101`	`you don't figure them out`
`05:10.29`	`XenoX101`	`until you realise they are there to figure out`
`05:10.34`	`XenoX101`	`or at least thats how it was with me`
`05:10.38`	`XenoX101`	`I was like 'oh yeah this is easy'`
`05:10.50`	`XenoX101`	`tried doing it like four different ways, 'god damnit'`
`05:10.58`	`XenoX101`	`then realised I was doing something unique`
`05:11.10`	`XenoX101`	`stackable DoT and initial damage`
`05:11.22`	`XenoX101`	`which doesn't stack during cast itself`
`05:11.55`	`XenoX101`	`so yeah`
`05:12.18`	`Tordy`	`is the DoT like burning?`
`05:12.29`	`XenoX101`	`yes`
`05:12.29`	`Tordy`	`poisoning`
`05:12.32`	`XenoX101`	`burning`
`05:12.45`	`XenoX101`	`except it works just like a poison, following the unit`
`05:13.22`	`XenoX101`	`I can copy it to a new map and send it to you if it'll help you at all`
`05:13.38`	`XenoX101`	`I was only able to make it thanks to JManV and Helral's help`
`05:15.24`	`XenoX101`	`brb dishes (sigh)`
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`05:17.15`	`Xapti`	`how does one change the rank designations for different races?`
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`05:19.41`	`Xapti`	`(based on kills for the unit)`
`05:24.26`	`Xapti`	`bah, I found individual ones on the actor... don't know WTF it's doing on the actor`
`05:24.35`	`Xapti`	`why is it empty though.........?`
`05:25.10`	`Xapti`	`have to set up both the minimum kills AND the text... where's the one where you just need to set the text based off the race of the unit?`
`05:34.22`	`Tordy`	`where is it?`
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`05:57.51`	`Tordy`	`oh nooooo`
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`06:02.31`	`Rodrigo`	`so... this new Starcraft Demo can be used for boosting?`
`06:11.09`	`Tordy`	`well`
`06:11.25`	`Tordy`	`cant play custom games`
`06:14.05`	`Skittles`	`=(`
`06:14.21`	`Skittles`	`mined obsidian and fell into lava and died with 8 diamonds =(`
`06:17.14`	`Agouti`	`Protip: never mine straight down`
`06:17.28`	`Agouti`	`especially when farming obsidian`
`06:17.33`	`Skizot`	`best place to mine is straight down`
`06:17.47`	`Agouti`	`best place if you want to die`
`06:18.02`	`Skizot`	`i don't die`
`06:18.08`	`Skizot`	`i do it smart :P`
`06:18.16`	`Agouti`	`you will when you cut into a lava cavern`
`06:18.47`	`Skizot`	`again.. dig smart`
`06:18.48`	`Skizot`	`:P`
`06:18.52`	`Agouti`	`most efficient way to mine is to dig yourself a shaft, then fo out in strips`
`06:18.59`	`Agouti`	`every third block`
`06:19.14`	`Agouti`	`so cut one hall one way`
`06:19.34`	`Agouti`	`then at right angles, every third block, cut a hallway`
`06:19.47`	`Agouti`	`that way you can cover the whole area 100%`
`06:20.16`	`Agouti`	`but I found most of my diamond etc by exploring caverns`
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`06:21.16`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`progammer`
`06:21.32`	`Skittles`	`thought i was skizot Xd`
`06:21.36`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`damn`
`06:21.55`	`Agouti`	`whats up?`
`06:22.18`	`Skittles`	`but damn, this map was full of coal and red dust and diamonds and everything!`
`06:22.21`	`Skittles`	`tons of tunnels too`
`06:22.27`	`Skittles`	`ice and all that too`
`06:22.30`	`Skittles`	`and tons of iron`
`06:22.42`	`Agouti`	`heh`
`06:22.56`	`Agouti`	`I should get back to my minecraft projects`
`06:23.03`	`Xapti`	`how do i make casting an ability put another ability on cooldown?`
`06:23.11`	`Agouti`	`I've got a 1:1 scale Titanic half done`
`06:23.17`	`Xapti`	`I guess linking them might work....`
`06:23.22`	`Agouti`	`Xapti: charge cooldown link`
`06:23.40`	`Xapti`	`but if Iwanted the cooldowns to not be hared`
`06:23.49`	`Xapti`	`like one is 5 seconds another 20`
`06:24.03`	`Agouti`	`they won't be shared AFAIK`
`06:24.17`	`Agouti`	`not 100% but it should just work`
`06:24.55`	`Skittles`	`agouti`
`06:25.05`	`Skittles`	`minecraft sc2 or minecraft mods or just playing?`
`06:25.18`	`Agouti`	`plain old minecraft`
`06:25.26`	`Skittles`	`it lacks`
`06:25.26`	`Agouti`	`minecraft alpha, that is`
`06:25.33`	`Skittles`	`why not beta?`
`06:25.45`	`DarkRevenant`	`hmm`
`06:25.46`	`Agouti`	`w/e the bought one is`
`06:25.50`	`Rodrigo`	`waitttttttt`
`06:25.54`	`Skittles`	`mmhmm`
`06:25.57`	`Rodrigo`	`Starcraft Demo CANNOT PLAY CUSTOM GAMES?!??!?!`
`06:26.03`	`Rodrigo`	`DAMN`
`06:26.04`	`Agouti`	`it was alpha when I downloaded it`
`06:26.06`	`Skittles`	`lol`
`06:26.11`	`Rodrigo`	`I was already setting up 10 virtual machines here`
`06:26.16`	`Skittles`	`it just went beta awhile back`
`06:26.18`	`Agouti`	`if it's now beta thats wonderful ^__^`
`06:26.21`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`When progammer gets here, tell him there isnt such a thing as gamepost (referring to the main page news)`
`06:26.22`	`Skittles`	`it needs more tho..`
`06:26.23`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`:D`
`06:26.25`	`Agouti`	`it just autoupdates`
`06:26.30`	`Agouti`	`I suppose so?`
`06:26.32`	`Skittles`	`He could make so much more so fast for crafting`
`06:26.33`	`Agouti`	`like?`
`06:26.39`	`Agouti`	`er`
`06:26.40`	`Skittles`	`idk off the top of my head`
`06:26.42`	`Skittles`	`but say chairs`
`06:26.43`	`Skittles`	`and stuff`
`06:26.47`	`Rodrigo`	`damn`
`06:26.50`	`Agouti`	`oh more items`
`06:26.53`	`Skittles`	`yeah`
`06:26.59`	`Agouti`	`the problem is`
`06:26.59`	`Rodrigo`	`how am I suppose to boost if the Starcraft Demo does not allow custom maps?`
`06:27.06`	`Skittles`	`lol`
`06:27.08`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`you dont`
`06:27.14`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`baka`
`06:27.31`	`Skittles`	`0.0`
`06:27.32`	`Rodrigo`	`I was setting up 10 virtual machines with 10 mouse recorders to do all the boosting in my laptop =/`
`06:27.40`	`Agouti`	`currently it uses 9 bits per block`
`06:27.47`	`Agouti`	`wait, 1 byte`
`06:27.55`	`Skittles`	`mmhmm`
`06:27.58`	`DarkRevenant`	`hmm`
`06:28.06`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Rodrigo, in two weeks or so, try agian`
`06:28.06`	`Agouti`	`and every data combo is take`
`06:28.07`	`Agouti`	`taken`
`06:28.21`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`At that point it will actually matter`
`06:28.21`	`Skittles`	`u know, I wonder if minecraft was inspired by css glass maps`
`06:28.34`	`Rodrigo`	`Shawn in two weeks, I'll have to find other ways to boost in the new syste,`
`06:28.35`	`Xapti`	`agouti charge cooldown link doesn't seem to have done anything...`
`06:28.47`	`Agouti`	`did you link it the right way?`
`06:28.48`	`Xapti`	`they were already linked, I justadded a cooldown for charge use`
`06:28.53`	`Agouti`	`it's kinda picky about how you do it`
`06:29.02`	`Xapti`	`did you mean non-charge link?`
`06:29.06`	`Agouti`	`what was the name of the field that you set?`
`06:29.21`	`Xapti`	`time use`
`06:29.41`	`Agouti`	`Xen: I stand corrected, there is heaps of room for more items`
`06:30.00`	`Skittles`	`?`
`06:30.07`	`Agouti`	`skittles rather`
`06:30.11`	`Agouti`	`>_>`
`06:30.12`	`Skittles`	`yepp`
`06:30.24`	`Agouti`	`SHUDDUP`
`06:30.26`	`Agouti`	`meanie`
`06:30.28`	`Skittles`	`@.@`
`06:30.31`	`Skittles`	`Fag.`
`06:30.33`	`Agouti`	`:<`
`06:30.40`	`Xapti`	`I have both charge and cooldown linked, And both of the time use set`
`06:30.42`	`Agouti`	`:'<`
`06:30.52`	`Bounty`	`So`
`06:30.55`	`Agouti`	`:,'<`
`06:31.01`	`Skittles`	`lol rodrigo, I wonder if a map with butch in it would be banned.`
`06:31.02`	`Bounty`	`How would you guys like to help test my map and see if it still lags :)`
`06:31.09`	`Skittles`	`dyke = butch`
`06:31.32`	`Agouti`	`xapti: can you copy out or ss the fields that you set?`
`06:31.41`	`Skittles`	`ss?`
`06:31.44`	`Skittles`	`nm`
`06:31.46`	`Skittles`	`nvm`
`06:31.48`	`Bounty`	`alrighty then`
`06:31.52`	`Bounty`	`thanks! ><`
`06:31.53`	`Skittles`	`im not xapti`
`06:31.55`	`Skittles`	`np`
`06:31.58`	`Agouti`	`np`
`06:32.00`	`Skittles`	`I'm to lazy to log on atm`
`06:32.08`	`Agouti`	`I will lag regardless`
`06:32.12`	`Rodrigo`	`:P`
`06:32.13`	`Agouti`	`connected via mobile phone`
`06:33.26`	`Xapti`	`Agouti I already aid the field was Time use`
`06:33.37`	`Xapti`	`for both cooldown and charge`
`06:33.47`	`Agouti`	`sorry`
`06:33.51`	`Agouti`	`what about the links?`
`06:33.57`	`DarkRevenant`	`my brother's arm is a twig compared to mine lol`
`06:34.06`	`Bounty`	`Rev`
`06:34.06`	`DarkRevenant`	`i have him massage some gym pain muscles, right`
`06:34.15`	`Bounty`	`i heard you're having the same issue i am`
`06:34.18`	`DarkRevenant`	`so he says my arm feels like a platform of metal`
`06:34.21`	`Bounty`	`with your map`
`06:34.24`	`DarkRevenant`	`lol`
`06:34.29`	`Bounty`	`or was i mislead?`
`06:34.30`	`DarkRevenant`	`what's your problem`
`06:34.41`	`Bounty`	`i posted in ur thread describing what happens`
`06:34.48`	`Bounty`	`its like a system overload lol`
`06:35.04`	`Bounty`	`good example would be`
`06:35.05`	`DarkRevenant`	`it`
`06:35.07`	`DarkRevenant`	`could be`
`06:35.08`	`Bounty`	`if u removed ur heatsink to ur cpu`
`06:35.11`	`Bounty`	`and were playing a game`
`06:35.15`	`Bounty`	`thats what it would look like`
`06:35.20`	`DarkRevenant`	`only way to know is`
`06:35.22`	`Rodrigo`	`just finished downloading "Devil." He's going to watch now.`
`06:35.27`	`DarkRevenant`	`have you see what happens to my map`
`06:35.37`	`Xapti`	`the links are both the the same for both cooldown and charge. Link: Ability/Grenadedummy, location: Ability`
`06:35.38`	`Bounty`	`is it a stutter?`
`06:35.43`	`DarkRevenant`	`more like`
`06:35.46`	`DarkRevenant`	`at some point`
`06:35.47`	`Bounty`	`like a SERIOUS stutter lol`
`06:35.58`	`DarkRevenant`	`usually when a more complicated process takes place during the game`
`06:36.01`	`Xapti`	`*abil/Grenadedummy`
`06:36.04`	`DarkRevenant`	`usually a terrain bounce or something`
`06:36.23`	`Bounty`	`it goes bonkers right?`
`06:36.27`	`DarkRevenant`	`since that calls the terrain normal check, bounce vectors, impact damage calculations, player damage, and all sorts of cool things`
`06:36.29`	`DarkRevenant`	`at the same time.`
`06:36.36`	`Bounty`	`yeah`
`06:36.39`	`Bounty`	`thats the same thing i have`
`06:36.41`	`DarkRevenant`	`it only happens`
`06:36.49`	`Bounty`	`to many calls at once`
`06:36.53`	`DarkRevenant`	`not so much that`
`06:36.57`	`DarkRevenant`	`but the whole thing just`
`06:36.59`	`DarkRevenant`	`permadies`
`06:37.02`	`DarkRevenant`	`after that point`
`06:37.08`	`DarkRevenant`	`literally every local variable just`
`06:37.11`	`DarkRevenant`	`shuts off`
`06:37.15`	`DarkRevenant`	`and zero's out`
`06:37.20`	`DarkRevenant`	`doesnt respond to calculations, etc`
`06:37.24`	`DarkRevenant`	`so in other words`
`06:37.26`	`Bounty`	`To many threads error?`
`06:37.34`	`Bounty`	`ive had that before`
`06:37.37`	`Bounty`	`the map just shuts down`
`06:37.47`	`DarkRevenant`	`well the too many threads error`
`06:37.55`	`DarkRevenant`	`would, in a sane world`
`06:38.01`	`DarkRevenant`	`kill all current processes`
`06:38.03`	`DarkRevenant`	`and then continue`
`06:38.14`	`DarkRevenant`	`not CONTINUE RUNNING THOSE THREADS`
`06:38.17`	`DarkRevenant`	`ONLY WITHOUT LOCAL VARIABLES`
`06:38.19`	`Bounty`	`yeah well tahts not what it did to me LOL`
`06:38.20`	`DarkRevenant`	`AND THEN CRASH 10 SECS LATER`
`06:38.26`	`Bounty`	`it kills what was running`
`06:38.31`	`Bounty`	`and kills whatever tries to run`
`06:38.33`	`Bounty`	`after that`
`06:38.33`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`06:38.36`	`DarkRevenant`	`well`
`06:38.44`	`DarkRevenant`	`it might have killed that process`
`06:38.54`	`DarkRevenant`	`but then`
`06:38.58`	`DarkRevenant`	`it kept running`
`06:39.01`	`DarkRevenant`	`problem is, locals dont work`
`06:39.11`	`DarkRevenant`	`oh and the map is destabilized so bad that it will crash without fail prety soon`
`06:39.41`	`DarkRevenant`	`its like ripping the alternator out of your car or something`
`06:40.01`	`Bounty`	`is it possible to split up the trigger that causes the crash?`
`06:40.25`	`Bounty`	`thats what ive been doing and its been working`
`06:40.44`	`Bounty`	`apparently alot of my triggers were doing it so... yeah still trying to find them all lol`
`06:40.53`	`DarkRevenant`	`splitting them up?`
`06:40.59`	`Bounty`	`yeah`
`06:41.12`	`DarkRevenant`	`how the crap do you even do that?`
`06:41.17`	`Bounty`	`someone told me to multithread them`
`06:41.24`	`Bounty`	`action definition create thread`
`06:41.27`	`DarkRevenant`	`multithreading in my case`
`06:41.29`	`Bounty`	`and it worked`
`06:41.29`	`DarkRevenant`	`is`
`06:41.31`	`DarkRevenant`	`HIGHLY`
`06:41.32`	`DarkRevenant`	`dangerous`
`06:41.34`	`DarkRevenant`	`it's a physics engine`
`06:41.36`	`RodOfNOD`	`no luck bounty?`
`06:41.38`	`DarkRevenant`	`order dependent`
`06:41.45`	`Bounty`	`i havent tested the new code Rod`
`06:41.48`	`Bounty`	`not enough ppl`
`06:42.01`	`DarkRevenant`	`each iteration`
`06:42.03`	`DarkRevenant`	`depends on the last one`
`06:42.18`	`Bounty`	`u could just have a shit load of action definitions`
`06:42.23`	`Bounty`	`like`
`06:42.28`	`Bounty`	`trigger fires action def 1`
`06:42.31`	`DarkRevenant`	`and there's no real way to do it any other way without some rather advanced coding methods that can't be done in galaxy`
`06:42.39`	`Bounty`	`action def 1 fires action def 2 and sets its parameters`
`06:42.40`	`Bounty`	`etc`
`06:42.49`	`DarkRevenant`	`bounty`
`06:42.51`	`DarkRevenant`	`it is like that`
`06:42.56`	`DarkRevenant`	`the physics trigger is a periodic`
`06:43.01`	`Bounty`	`ooooh`
`06:43.03`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`06:43.05`	`DarkRevenant`	`that calls the movement engine`
`06:43.07`	`lotharscm`	`how do action defintions work`
`06:43.10`	`DarkRevenant`	`the movement engine does stuff`
`06:43.20`	`DarkRevenant`	`then it calls a new function for each projectile after that`
`06:43.42`	`DarkRevenant`	`then from there it calls a new function which then loops through every projectile again, for each projectile`
`06:43.51`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`06:43.52`	`DarkRevenant`	`for hard-body collision checks`
`06:43.52`	`Bounty`	`jesus`
`06:44.04`	`DarkRevenant`	`and in that trigger all it does is a series of filters`
`06:44.11`	`DarkRevenant`	`starting with the basic sector check`
`06:44.11`	`Bounty`	`well just from what you're saying im quite positive you have the same issue as me`
`06:44.19`	`DarkRevenant`	`also it only checks the projectiles that have already moved`
`06:44.30`	`DarkRevenant`	`so that cuts the work in half by itself`
`06:44.39`	`DarkRevenant`	`then it checks by sector`
`06:44.45`	`Bounty`	`Rev`
`06:44.47`	`DarkRevenant`	`which filters out a crapton of the work`
`06:44.51`	`Bounty`	`idk if this will help or not but`
`06:45.03`	`Bounty`	`my mouse click trigger used to cause this until i put trigger conditions on it`
`06:45.05`	`DarkRevenant`	`after the checks it does one last function which does the actual collision response and sphere/cylinder check`
`06:45.08`	`Bounty`	`apparently it prevents it from running`
`06:45.11`	`Bounty`	`so`
`06:45.15`	`Bounty`	`idk if that would be of use to u lol`
`06:45.37`	`DarkRevenant`	`i mean`
`06:45.39`	`DarkRevenant`	`it runs a lot of code`
`06:45.44`	`DarkRevenant`	`but i basically made a game engine`
`06:45.55`	`DarkRevenant`	`if you saw my code you'd be very surprised with how much shit it can do`
`06:46.00`	`DarkRevenant`	`and how standardized it is`
`06:46.06`	`Bounty`	`ive seen it Rev`
`06:46.13`	`DarkRevenant`	`seen it quite a while ago`
`06:46.14`	`Bounty`	`its like reading another language to me`
`06:46.20`	`Bounty`	`no idea wtf i was looking at`
`06:46.21`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`06:46.27`	`DarkRevenant`	`its around 10k lines right now, let me chekc`
`06:46.52`	`DarkRevenant`	`yeah 11.5k lines`
`06:47.05`	`Bounty`	`how do u check how many lines`
`06:47.10`	`DarkRevenant`	`view script`
`06:47.10`	`Bounty`	`i wanna see mine`
`06:47.11`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`06:47.12`	`DarkRevenant`	`highlight last line`
`06:47.29`	`DarkRevenant`	`i break it up into a lot of functions`
`06:47.35`	`DarkRevenant`	`so its mainly just one enormous thread`
`06:47.39`	`Bounty`	`where is view script?`
`06:47.41`	`DarkRevenant`	`running basically the whole game except the art`
`06:47.45`	`DarkRevenant`	`in trig editor`
`06:47.54`	`DarkRevenant`	`data -> view script`
`06:48.08`	`DarkRevenant`	`the problem is`
`06:48.11`	`DarkRevenant`	`multithreading it...`
`06:48.14`	`DarkRevenant`	`well`
`06:48.17`	`DarkRevenant`	`actually`
`06:48.21`	`Bounty`	`bah`
`06:48.22`	`DarkRevenant`	`i can multithread a small part of it`
`06:48.26`	`Bounty`	`i only have 3,448`
`06:48.27`	`Bounty`	`:(`
`06:48.39`	`Bounty`	`i say you atleast try it`
`06:48.46`	`Bounty`	`why the hell not`
`06:48.47`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`06:48.51`	`Bounty`	`><`
`06:49.07`	`Bounty`	`When you're at this point just say fuck it and go all out, not like u can break a broken map more`
`06:49.16`	`Vesuvius`	`lol, there's a goldfish in the immortal's portrait`
`06:49.20`	`RodOfNOD`	`anyoneknow where theystore the saved replays?`
`06:49.26`	`DarkRevenant`	`i can multithread`
`06:49.28`	`DarkRevenant`	`the highest level`
`06:49.39`	`DarkRevenant`	`which might cut it in 1/3 but`
`06:49.46`	`DarkRevenant`	`will only affect some of it`
`06:49.48`	`DarkRevenant`	`the thing is`
`06:49.51`	`DarkRevenant`	`these functions call stuff`
`06:49.54`	`DarkRevenant`	`that later things rely on`
`06:49.57`	`DarkRevenant`	`i mean`
`06:50.02`	`DarkRevenant`	`by design`
`06:50.17`	`DarkRevenant`	`there's not really any way to multithread it safely in galaxy`
`06:50.33`	`DarkRevenant`	`otherwise you'll get all sorts of random bullshit happening`
`06:50.43`	`DarkRevenant`	`like projectiles not exploding when they need to`
`06:50.46`	`DarkRevenant`	`collision getting wonky`
`06:50.48`	`DarkRevenant`	`etc`
`06:50.54`	`DarkRevenant`	`it's got to be on a timing chain`
`06:51.00`	`Bounty`	`yeah`
`06:51.03`	`DarkRevenant`	`this shit worked fine in wc3`
`06:51.08`	`Bounty`	`u know that boss entrance i showed u Rev?`
`06:51.10`	`Bounty`	`awhile ago`
`06:51.13`	`DarkRevenant`	`yeah`
`06:51.14`	`Bounty`	`and how well timed it was`
`06:51.17`	`Bounty`	`that was 3 fuctions`
`06:51.18`	`Xapti`	`so Agouti were you recommending linking the charge, the cooldown, or both? because you said "charge cooldon link"`
`06:51.22`	`Bounty`	`firing in succession`
`06:51.24`	`Bounty`	`multi threaded`
`06:51.31`	`Bounty`	`bc it was to big to fit`
`06:51.36`	`DarkRevenant`	`multithread timing is`
`06:51.43`	`Agouti`	`Xapti, I meant the cooldown under the charges second`
`06:51.43`	`DarkRevenant`	`only off by miliseconds`
`06:51.47`	`Agouti`	`let me get the exact link`
`06:51.50`	`Agouti`	`*name`
`06:51.52`	`DarkRevenant`	`but when my shit doesnt use waits`
`06:52.01`	`DarkRevenant`	`it's all running in one long connected series of operations`
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`06:52.37`	`DarkRevenant`	`you have to realize that you can't run the projectiles in parallel when each successive projectile assumes that the next is in the correct spot`
`06:52.48`	`Xapti`	`oh I figured it out, the charges can't be linkd`
`06:52.50`	`Xapti`	`by they were`
`06:52.56`	`DarkRevenant`	`collision would always be randomly 0 or 1 step behind if i multithreaded the actual physics part of it`
`06:53.07`	`DarkRevenant`	`but that would only account for a part of the issue`
`06:53.17`	`DarkRevenant`	`hmm`
`06:53.19`	`Bounty`	`from what ive found out`
`06:53.25`	`Bounty`	`its conditions that cause it`
`06:53.28`	`DarkRevenant`	`well I think I can multithread one other major function`
`06:53.28`	`Agouti`	`Xapti: You want to set the cooldown link and location`
`06:53.29`	`Bounty`	`constant checking`
`06:53.31`	`DarkRevenant`	`the Damage function`
`06:53.42`	`Agouti`	`no knowing exactly what you are doing I can't say where to`
`06:53.50`	`Bounty`	`apparently the actions themselves do nothing`
`06:53.51`	`Bounty`	`but`
`06:53.54`	`Bounty`	`the conditions cause the issue`
`06:54.00`	`Bounty`	`constant looking up crap`
`06:54.01`	`Agouti`	`but I use Ability for a set of commands on an ability to share a cooldown`
`06:54.07`	`DarkRevenant`	`well bounty`
`06:54.14`	`DarkRevenant`	`it's a game engine`
`06:54.16`	`DarkRevenant`	`it looks up`
`06:54.18`	`DarkRevenant`	`a LOT of stuff`
`06:54.21`	`DarkRevenant`	`from memory`
`06:54.22`	`Bounty`	`yeah lol`
`06:54.26`	`DarkRevenant`	`and there's no way to stop it`
`06:54.28`	`DarkRevenant`	`the problem is`
`06:54.31`	`DarkRevenant`	`it goes bonkers`
`06:54.38`	`Bounty`	`maybe set the conditions to parameters/variables?`
`06:54.39`	`DarkRevenant`	`during a function that doesnt have many checks`
`06:54.43`	`Bounty`	`so it goes through the process faster?`
`06:54.51`	`DarkRevenant`	`wat`
`06:54.57`	`DarkRevenant`	`how the fuck would you put`
`06:54.58`	`Xapti`	`oh nvm I made to changes. One was making the charge links different, the other was chaning the location to unit`
`06:55.11`	`Xapti`	`I needed to change the location from ability to unit`
`06:55.15`	`DarkRevenant`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`06:55.30`	`Agouti`	`xapti: for instance, on a building which trains units, to get a shared cooldown between the different units, the ID of the ability is FactoryTrain, Info - Cooldown - Link is Abil/FactoryTrain, Info - Cooldown - Location is Ability`
`06:55.30`	`DarkRevenant`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:55.32`	`DarkRevenant`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:55.32`	`Xapti`	`which is weird IMO because ther linked abilities on cooldown have the link location as ability`
`06:55.33`	`DarkRevenant`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`06:55.38`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`06:55.38`	`DarkRevenant`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:55.40`	`DarkRevenant`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:55.41`	`DarkRevenant`	`this`
`06:55.43`	`DarkRevenant`	`into a variable`
`06:55.50`	`Bounty`	`well that would be alot of local variables`
`06:55.57`	`Agouti`	`you have to set the link location`
`06:56.00`	`Xapti`	`yeah Agouti you said location is ability, but that doesn't work`
`06:56.03`	`DarkRevenant`	`bounty`
`06:56.05`	`DarkRevenant`	`you mean an`
`06:56.08`	`DarkRevenant`	`enormous lookup table?`
`06:56.10`	`Xapti`	`it had to be unit from some reason`
`06:56.12`	`Bounty`	`yeah`
`06:56.17`	`DarkRevenant`	`dear holy fuck`
`06:56.17`	`Bounty`	`thats what i use now`
`06:56.19`	`Bounty`	`it helped abit`
`06:56.23`	`Agouti`	`well as long as it is working`
`06:56.23`	`DarkRevenant`	`no a 15-dimension`
`06:56.26`	`DarkRevenant`	`lookup table`
`06:56.28`	`DarkRevenant`	`would be impossible`
`06:56.30`	`DarkRevenant`	`for me`
`06:56.43`	`DarkRevenant`	`well technically`
`06:56.48`	`DarkRevenant`	`it would be a lookup table`
`06:56.49`	`Bounty`	`well its easier for me bc i only have to set like`
`06:56.51`	`DarkRevenant`	`for each projectile`
`06:56.51`	`Bounty`	`4 variables`
`06:56.53`	`Bounty`	`as a lookup table`
`06:56.53`	`DarkRevenant`	`with every other projectile`
`06:56.54`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`06:57.03`	`DarkRevenant`	`with the basic, say`
`06:57.11`	`DarkRevenant`	`75 objects in the physics engine`
`06:57.23`	`DarkRevenant`	`that's with`
`06:57.34`	`DarkRevenant`	`10 players, about 30 debris objects that can be collided`
`06:57.38`	`Agouti`	`I think you need to optimize it ;P`
`06:57.40`	`Xapti`	`as long as it's working is fine, but it's pretty damn perplexing`
`06:57.41`	`DarkRevenant`	`and 35 projectiles in the air (a fair bit)`
`06:57.52`	`Xapti`	`I don't like having mysterious things, it can just cause problems in the future`
`06:58.02`	`DarkRevenant`	`C(75,2) is the table size`
`06:58.17`	`Agouti`	`the unit was probably the correct spot anyway, if it only has that one ability`
`06:58.20`	`DarkRevenant`	`2775 table items`
`06:58.22`	`DarkRevenant`	`problem is`
`06:58.23`	`Bounty`	`well`
`06:58.25`	`DarkRevenant`	`it has to recalculate`
`06:58.27`	`DarkRevenant`	`all the time`
`06:58.30`	`DarkRevenant`	`since those conditions change in real time`
`06:58.31`	`Bounty`	`ive been having this issue with MANY less conditions`
`06:58.41`	`Bounty`	`so idk`
`06:58.42`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`06:58.45`	`Agouti`	`Dark: I can't help but think there is a more efficient way to do it`
`06:58.46`	`Bounty`	`that shit is crazy`
`06:58.50`	`DarkRevenant`	`i'm doing it`
`06:58.53`	`DarkRevenant`	`in a fairly efficient way`
`06:59.02`	`DarkRevenant`	`but galaxy is inherently inefficient because it runs off of a VM`
`06:59.10`	`DarkRevenant`	`that compiles into map script`
`06:59.10`	`Agouti`	`^`
`06:59.19`	`Agouti`	`which is interpreted`
`06:59.26`	`DarkRevenant`	`and then goes back into its C++ base code`
`06:59.37`	`DarkRevenant`	`and then to assembly code for what you see onscreen`
`06:59.53`	`Agouti`	`are you sure that it is actually compiled into C++?`
`06:59.58`	`DarkRevenant`	`what i mean is`
`06:59.59`	`Agouti`	`not just run through a scripting engine?`
`06:59.59`	`DarkRevenant`	`the VM`
`07:00.03`	`DarkRevenant`	`interperets Galaxy`
`07:00.07`	`Agouti`	`yes`
`07:00.17`	`DarkRevenant`	`the interpereter is part of an exe that is presumably written in some form of C`
`07:00.18`	`Agouti`	`it's an interpreted language`
`07:00.22`	`Agouti`	`yes`
`07:00.27`	`Agouti`	`like I said`
`07:00.32`	`Agouti`	`it's an interpreted language... lol`
`07:00.37`	`Bounty`	`i love it when you guys blow mah mind`
`07:00.38`	`DarkRevenant`	`and that translates into machine code as per Windows interpereter`
`07:00.41`	`Bounty`	`mmm`
`07:00.44`	`DarkRevenant`	`so it's a fucking tri-level whammy`
`07:00.53`	`Agouti`	`yup, like I said, 20 lines ago`
`07:00.57`	`Agouti`	`interp'd`
`07:01.04`	`Bounty`	`DERP`
`07:01.12`	`Agouti`	`which is why facebook payed out oh idk`
`07:01.16`	`Agouti`	`1.5 million dollars?`
`07:01.21`	`Agouti`	`to change from php to aspx`
`07:01.29`	`Agouti`	`iterp'd is slow`
`07:01.40`	`DarkRevenant`	`it's a real-time interperetation`
`07:01.52`	`DarkRevenant`	`rather than a compiled set of instructions`
`07:02.00`	`Bounty`	`Agouti`
`07:02.03`	`DarkRevenant`	`too bad a real compiled set of instructions is impossbile for something liek a map`
`07:02.07`	`Agouti`	`which is the definition of an interpreted language...`
`07:02.08`	`DarkRevenant`	`otherwise you could inject viruses and shit`
`07:02.20`	`Bounty`	`what do u think of my latest attempt to fix that spike issue`
`07:02.22`	`Bounty`	`http://pastebin.com/U4QBUQtW`
`07:02.26`	`Bounty`	`efficient ?`
`07:02.36`	`Agouti`	`honest dark, you really don't need to explain what interpreted languages are to me`
`07:02.42`	`Agouti`	`I do know :)`
`07:02.52`	`Agouti`	`clicks`
`07:02.52`	`DarkRevenant`	`it's for the benefit of the audience`
`07:03.10`	`Agouti`	`I'm not sure anybody else is paying attention lol`
`07:03.14`	`DarkRevenant`	`there are over 100 people in the channel`
`07:03.15`	`DarkRevenant`	`lol`
`07:03.20`	`Bounty`	`i am`
`07:03.26`	`Bounty`	`good show imo`
`07:03.27`	`DarkRevenant`	`pastebin wont fucking open`
`07:04.01`	`Xapti`	`yeah`
`07:04.01`	`Agouti`	`Bounty: any reason to use a switch when a if then else would do?`
`07:04.11`	`Bounty`	`where?`
`07:04.19`	`Bounty`	`or are you talking about the entire thing?`
`07:04.21`	`Agouti`	`wait`
`07:04.22`	`Agouti`	`sorry`
`07:04.26`	`Bounty`	`the reason is so it doesnt have to look up EVERYTHING`
`07:04.28`	`Agouti`	`it is needed later`
`07:04.29`	`Bounty`	`which is the cause`
`07:04.30`	`Xapti`	`i find switch is kinda limiting because it needs to be with like a integer I think?`
`07:04.30`	`Agouti`	`disregard that`
`07:04.50`	`Xapti`	`or at least like I can't make more complicated comparisons`
`07:05.01`	`Agouti`	`the nesting confused me`
`07:05.02`	`Agouti`	`:)`
`07:05.16`	`Bounty`	`well do u think that is faster then before?`
`07:05.18`	`Xapti`	`but if you have more than a 2-case scenario and there aren't complicated comparisons, switch would be the way to go`
`07:05.20`	`Agouti`	`Bounty: I see nothing wrong with that`
`07:05.29`	`Bounty`	`and all those actions it fires`
`07:05.31`	`Bounty`	`are direct`
`07:05.33`	`Bounty`	`no conditions in them`
`07:05.38`	`Bounty`	`and they are multithreaded`
`07:05.40`	`Agouti`	`big nested if then elses or cases are quite fast`
`07:05.52`	`Bounty`	`yeah but`
`07:05.54`	`Agouti`	`no problems at all`
`07:05.55`	`DarkRevenant`	`i have`
`07:05.58`	`Bounty`	`if then's were the problem`
`07:05.59`	`DarkRevenant`	`massive nested if then elses`
`07:06.04`	`Bounty`	`bc they would check EVERYTHING lol`
`07:06.05`	`*** join/#sc2mapster MaxMode (~Adium@ip98-185-253-55.sb.sd.cox.net)`
`07:06.10`	`DarkRevenant`	`no real way to do it otherwise`
`07:06.12`	`DarkRevenant`	`so yeah`
`07:06.13`	`Bounty`	`with this it will only have to check like 3 things`
`07:06.20`	`Agouti`	`er`
`07:06.22`	`DarkRevenant`	`well bounty`
`07:06.30`	`DarkRevenant`	`it only checks applicable stuff`
`07:06.40`	`DarkRevenant`	`i actually did make sure it doesnt check more than needed`
`07:06.43`	`DarkRevenant`	`through some other means`
`07:06.47`	`DarkRevenant`	`mainly a local boolean`
`07:06.56`	`DarkRevenant`	`and some more nesting`
`07:07.29`	`Agouti`	`for instance if you have if(A) then [] else if(B) then [] else if (C) then [], if A matches B & C will not get executed`
`07:07.38`	`Agouti`	`in the same way as`
`07:07.42`	`Agouti`	`if you have conditions`
`07:07.51`	`Agouti`	`if(A && B && C && D)`
`07:07.56`	`Agouti`	`and B returns false`
`07:08.03`	`Agouti`	`C and D will not get executed`
`07:08.11`	`DarkRevenant`	`and that is to be expected`
`07:08.20`	`Agouti`	`and you rely on that in places`
`07:08.21`	`DarkRevenant`	`so i feel my issue`
`07:08.24`	`DarkRevenant`	`is something else`
`07:08.35`	`Agouti`	`but is it a valid assumption for galaxy?`
`07:08.38`	`Bounty`	`alright so`
`07:08.48`	`Bounty`	`the new method is efficient?`
`07:08.51`	`Bounty`	`havent tested it yet`
`07:08.52`	`Xapti`	`is what a valid assumption for galaxy`
`07:08.54`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`07:08.59`	`Agouti`	`(btw dark that was directed at bount, I assumed you knew that stuff)`
`07:09.05`	`DarkRevenant`	`yeah`
`07:09.13`	`DarkRevenant`	`im a CE major`
`07:09.16`	`Agouti`	`execution order with ands and stuff`
`07:09.53`	`Xapti`	`well the only thing that's ambiguious is how gaaxy treads multiple conditions`
`07:10.02`	`Xapti`	`and the answer is that it ands them all together`
`07:10.02`	`Agouti`	`I don't mind CE, I do mechatronics`
`07:10.06`	`Agouti`	`which shares a bit`
`07:10.11`	`Xapti`	`by default`
`07:10.13`	`Bounty`	`wait`
`07:10.21`	`Bounty`	`there is a problem with threading multiple conditions?`
`07:10.28`	`Agouti`	`no`
`07:10.37`	`Bounty`	`bc my old conditions has a Not check`
`07:10.38`	`Xapti`	`not really a problem, it's just a potential ambiguity`
`07:10.39`	`Bounty`	`that had like`
`07:10.41`	`Bounty`	`15 conditions`
`07:10.42`	`Bounty`	`in one`
`07:10.43`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`07:10.47`	`Bounty`	`and`
`07:10.49`	`Bounty`	`it would check that`
`07:10.53`	`Bounty`	`EVERYTIME someone took damage`
`07:10.58`	`Bounty`	`think that was the problem?`
`07:11.00`	`Agouti`	`Xapti: the assumption, if you have 5 conditions &&'d, is that if one returns false, the following will not be evaluated`
`07:11.20`	`Agouti`	`which is true for almost all languages`
`07:11.20`	`Xapti`	`why wouldn't that be the case`
`07:11.32`	`Xapti`	`exactly, it's a logic thing, there's no ambiguity there`
`07:11.39`	`Agouti`	`I don't know, but it isn't documented that it does`
`07:11.47`	`Agouti`	`like I said, it's an assumption`
`07:11.48`	`Xapti`	`that's how logic works though`
`07:11.53`	`Agouti`	`yes`
`07:12.00`	`Agouti`	`thats how optimized logic works`
`07:12.21`	`Bounty`	`Mapster front page lacks something`
`07:12.23`	`Bounty`	`aka my map`
`07:12.29`	`Bounty`	`Lightbikes? pft`
`07:12.32`	`Xapti`	`I'm curious though if it's running through a bunch of conditions`
`07:12.37`	`Bounty`	`Havent like 15 people made that game? :)`
`07:12.44`	`Xapti`	`if one returns false, it won't even bother checking the rest or no`
`07:13.11`	`Xapti`	`or was that what you were talking about`
`07:13.16`	`Xapti`	`oh`
`07:13.35`	`Xapti`	`that is what your'e talking about isn't it lol`
`07:14.06`	`Bounty`	`Guys`
`07:14.11`	`Bounty`	`What sounds more fun to you`
`07:14.36`	`Bounty`	`a leveling system that you lose all your levels when you are killed, a dota styled leveling system or a perma bank saved levleing system`
`07:14.49`	`Bounty`	`i personally lean towards option A but i am curious what you think`
`07:14.54`	`Xapti`	`B`
`07:15.04`	`Bounty`	`and why?`
`07:15.14`	`Bounty`	`=P`
`07:15.23`	`Xapti`	`because it's even grounds for players and doesn't have a gap for hacking`
`07:15.31`	`Bounty`	`either does option A`
`07:15.33`	`Skittles`	`for your map?`
`07:15.35`	`Xapti`	`depends on the type of game thouh`
`07:15.36`	`Bounty`	`yeah`
`07:15.40`	`Skittles`	`Neither.`
`07:15.51`	`Bounty`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-kFj3SlHkI`
`07:15.55`	`Bounty`	`thats the map Xapti`
`07:15.59`	`Xapti`	`like if it's pvp or just a pve game`
`07:16.06`	`Bounty`	`its a combo of both`
`07:16.10`	`Bounty`	`watch teh vid`
`07:16.13`	`Bounty`	`and why do u say that skitt?`
`07:16.17`	`Xapti`	`that game is pvp`
`07:16.21`	`Bounty`	`no`
`07:16.25`	`Bounty`	`its pvpve`
`07:16.32`	`Xapti`	`it's pvp, it just has NPCs in it`
`07:16.44`	`Bounty`	`there are alot more "npc's" then shown in taht video`
`07:16.58`	`Xapti`	`I played the game i've seen all the NPCs you put in the game`
`07:17.13`	`Bounty`	`and how is that not pve aswell?`
`07:17.45`	`Xapti`	`because PvE is exclusively an us-vs-environment thing... completely co-op`
`07:18.01`	`Xapti`	`which is why dota is not pve at all either`
`07:18.10`	`Xapti`	`least by my terms`
`07:18.11`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`07:18.15`	`Bounty`	`well thats wrong`
`07:18.18`	`Bounty`	`its not exclusive`
`07:18.31`	`Bounty`	`it just refers to who is controlling ur enemy`
`07:18.37`	`Bounty`	`like`
`07:18.41`	`Bounty`	`Aion has PvPvE`
`07:19.00`	`Xapti`	`That's because it's MMO environment where you can PvE or PvP`
`07:19.03`	`Bounty`	`Alterac Valley in WoW would be PvPvE`
`07:19.19`	`Bounty`	`or going back even further, Dark Age of Camelot`
`07:19.27`	`Bounty`	`the Darkness Falls dungeon was pvpve`
`07:19.37`	`DarkRevenant`	`argh god`
`07:19.40`	`DarkRevenant`	`this fucking`
`07:19.43`	`DarkRevenant`	`SMF upgrade crap`
`07:19.46`	`Xapti`	`again same thing, mmo environment. There are not always enemies around which would make it pvp`
`07:19.54`	`Skittles`	`because level saving is stupid, and the other option makes it even less noob friendly and more gank friendly`
`07:19.56`	`DarkRevenant`	`forcing me to go back into phpMyAdmin`
`07:20.03`	`DarkRevenant`	`and add, drop fucking fields`
`07:20.12`	`DarkRevenant`	`because something wouldnt parse in the install code`
`07:20.27`	`Xapti`	`Although I should correct myself and say that PvPvE does still exist as you pointed out`
`07:20.51`	`Bounty`	`i dont see how my map isnt pvpve lol`
`07:21.05`	`Xapti`	`Overall I guess it's just a matter of viewpoint/opinion`
`07:21.19`	`Bounty`	`like`
`07:21.22`	`Bounty`	`Unreal Tournament`
`07:21.26`	`Bounty`	`if i was playing a game with all bots`
`07:21.30`	`Bounty`	`i would say that PvE`
`07:21.31`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`07:22.02`	`Xapti`	`technically true, although bots are using the same abilities as you, and are designed to emulate players in every respect`
`07:22.18`	`Bounty`	`yeah but like i said`
`07:22.31`	`Bounty`	`i use the terms pvp and pve based on who is controlling your enemy/enemies`
`07:22.40`	`DarkRevenant`	`oh god`
`07:22.44`	`Bounty`	`naaaaaaaaaaaamsayin?`
`07:22.45`	`DarkRevenant`	`there's this horrible discrepancy`
`07:22.56`	`DarkRevenant`	`old version assumes you had unread_messages`
`07:22.59`	`DarkRevenant`	`for all two-word things`
`07:23.01`	`DarkRevenant`	`new version`
`07:23.02`	`DarkRevenant`	`unreadMessages`
`07:23.04`	`DarkRevenant`	`god damn it`
`07:23.15`	`Bounty`	`HAI REV`
`07:23.22`	`Xapti`	`your NPCs aren't the same as your characters, and they don't impact the game as much as players. They have virtually no AI`
`07:23.24`	`Bounty`	`what happend to the LAW of the map review forum`
`07:23.35`	`Bounty`	`last i checked that place is a shithole for everything but map reviews`
`07:23.37`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`07:23.54`	`DarkRevenant`	`well the thing is`
`07:24.00`	`DarkRevenant`	`there's nowhere for those guys to go`
`07:24.03`	`Bounty`	`stuff like that is coming later Xapti`
`07:24.11`	`Bounty`	`right now im focusing on getting the game to run`
`07:24.12`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`07:24.28`	`Bounty`	`the Summoners have a sort of AI`
`07:24.37`	`Bounty`	`knockbacks and slows and they wont leave the island`
`07:24.41`	`Bounty`	`no matter what`
`07:24.51`	`Skittles`	`is there a way to change the text size in a label?`
`07:25.04`	`Xapti`	`DotA wouldn't beconsidereda PvPvE game for the same reasonas warcraft 3`
`07:25.17`	`Xapti`	`Skuttles I was wondering the same thing`
`07:25.33`	`Bounty`	`cant you just use the text editor?`
`07:25.36`	`Jiiks`	`Skittles edit button?`
`07:25.37`	`Skittles`	`Aw, Xupti`
`07:25.46`	`Skittles`	`edit buttons don't work yet`
`07:25.50`	`DarkRevenant`	`oh god now it wants to do stuff with a field that doesnt even exist`
`07:25.50`	`Skittles`	`oh that`
`07:25.51`	`Skittles`	`i hit that`
`07:25.52`	`Xapti`	`skittles the only thing you can change is the text style`
`07:25.57`	`Skittles`	`and put 64 and it doesn't seem to change it`
`07:26.00`	`Xapti`	`different styles have dfference sizes`
`07:26.10`	`Skittles`	`hmm`
`07:26.13`	`Xapti`	`what are you talking about skittles`
`07:26.19`	`Bounty`	`you can change the color to`
`07:26.29`	`Bounty`	`the first letter has to be spaced`
`07:26.31`	`Skittles`	`go into the text mode thingy`
`07:26.38`	`Skittles`	`and below the gradient is a button named edit`
`07:26.52`	`Xapti`	`yeah bounty i was going to say that too`
`07:28.02`	`Bounty`	`i hope some mods come back soon so my maps video gets newsed`
`07:28.14`	`Xapti`	`ohhh thaaat...`
`07:28.22`	`Xapti`	`anyway.... http://static.sc2mapster.com/content/attachments/3/164/3ICE_s_SC2_Styles.jpg`
`07:28.52`	`Skittles`	`ew`
`07:28.58`	`Skittles`	`oh those are styles`
`07:29.04`	`Skittles`	`i thought they were regions lol`
`07:30.01`	`Bounty`	`i wonder how hard it would be to make a rhythm game`
`07:30.33`	`Xapti`	`there's been some made already`
`07:30.52`	`Bounty`	`ive only seen one`
`07:31.00`	`Bounty`	`but i still wanna know how hard it would be lol`
`07:31.03`	`Bounty`	`charting the notes`
`07:31.09`	`Bounty`	`seems like it would be difficult`
`07:31.27`	`Xapti`	`well there was like a 7 button one with beacons in the beta and a normal 4 button one with arrows more recently I think`
`07:31.39`	`Xapti`	`it might have just evolved from the original, not sure`
`07:32.28`	`DarkRevenant`	`BLOB/TEXT column 'realName' used in key specification without a key length`
`07:32.32`	`DarkRevenant`	`what the fuck does this even mean`
`07:32.42`	`DarkRevenant`	`in sql`
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`08:02.30`	`Skittles`	`Well I'm going to bed.`
`08:02.32`	`Skittles`	`Ttyl.`
`08:02.38`	`Bounty`	`peace nigga`
`08:02.42`	`Bounty`	`aw`
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`08:03.40`	`Xapti`	`god damn I hte how cancelling abilities triggers it's finish time`
`08:04.03`	`Xapti`	`Totally A bug in my eyes, I hope like mad that blizzard thinks it's a bug and fixes it`
`08:04.13`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`08:04.30`	`Xapti`	`makes finish time useless when the ability casting is cancellable`
`08:04.34`	`Bounty`	`you should have rethough that sentence when you used "blizzard" and "fix"`
`08:04.39`	`Bounty`	`rethought*`
`08:05.00`	`Xapti`	`there's no way I can think of to bypass this problem`
`08:05.32`	`Xapti`	`I'm already switching between ability casting and triggers because of lack of functionality... and there isn't even a trigger workaround for this one`
`08:06.37`	`Xapti`	`I wish there was functionality to have abilities take targets from variables`
`08:07.42`	`Xapti`	`or if there was a way, that I knew about it`
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`08:13.02`	`XenoX101`	`does anyone know how to add a second actor to a damage effect?`
`08:13.23`	`Xapti`	`yeah`
`08:13.37`	`XenoX101`	`how`
`08:14.02`	`Xapti`	`find the actor you want to add to, and make a new event under actor events`
`08:14.32`	`XenoX101`	`what event do I use`
`08:14.34`	`Xapti`	`the event should be the effect you want triggering`
`08:15.18`	`XenoX101`	`I've done that and it does the effect on the caster`
`08:16.14`	`XenoX101`	`because I am using a behaviour to cast the damage`
`08:16.41`	`XenoX101`	`and so I have to reference a previous target for my damag effect`
`08:16.44`	`XenoX101`	`damage*`
`08:17.02`	`XenoX101`	`the target is "Obelisk (Charge): Target"`
`08:17.13`	`XenoX101`	`so I'm thinking my actor can't reference that or something`
`08:17.26`	`Xapti`	`just need to reference the effect`
`08:17.28`	`XenoX101`	`my second actor at least, the first one which is an action actor works`
`08:17.50`	`XenoX101`	`doesnt work`
`08:18.13`	`Xapti`	`your first one is an animation you're saying?`
`08:18.38`	`Xapti`	`or what do you mean by action`
`08:18.47`	`XenoX101`	`the type action`
`08:18.55`	`XenoX101`	`which you use for beam attacks`
`08:20.49`	`Xapti`	`effect - start, and for the action you have create?`
`08:21.12`	`XenoX101`	`for my second actor yes`
`08:21.37`	`Xapti`	`what is the type of actor for the second one`
`08:21.47`	`Xapti`	`and it's parent`
`08:21.57`	`XenoX101`	`model animation style one shot`
`08:22.03`	`XenoX101`	`no parent`
`08:22.04`	`XenoX101`	`err`
`08:22.05`	`XenoX101`	`model`
`08:22.11`	`XenoX101`	`model - model animation style one shot`
`08:23.19`	`XenoX101`	`ah hang on`
`08:23.27`	`XenoX101`	`I played with the host when I shouldn't have`
`08:23.33`	`XenoX101`	`I just reset it and it put it on "_Selectable"`
`08:23.37`	`XenoX101`	`and that seems to work`
`08:23.44`	`Xapti`	`yeah`
`08:23.59`	`XenoX101`	`thanks for making me think of that`
`08:24.10`	`XenoX101`	`(the parent)`
`08:24.21`	`Xapti`	`I forgot about that part`
`08:24.30`	`XenoX101`	`yeah I don't even know what _Selectable does`
`08:24.31`	`Xapti`	`I had that issue before`
`08:24.39`	`XenoX101`	`I always use Scope: Target`
`08:24.42`	`XenoX101`	`or Scope: Caster`
`08:24.45`	`XenoX101`	`with _Unit`
`08:26.00`	`XenoX101`	`also my burning actor doesnt want to play forever even though I ask it to`
`08:26.05`	`XenoX101`	`for my fireball`
`08:26.16`	`Xapti`	`Agouti you around?`
`08:26.20`	`XenoX101`	`I set timer to 8s`
`08:26.50`	`Xapti`	`loop it`
`08:27.03`	`Xapti`	`(or set time scale)`
`08:27.43`	`XenoX101`	`I just set the duration to 8s, that seems to work`
`08:27.56`	`Xapti`	`oh i thought you said it didn't lol`
`08:27.59`	`XenoX101`	`odd, I'm fixing these problems so much quicker now`
`08:28.16`	`XenoX101`	`nah I didn't I just did now`
`08:28.32`	`Xapti`	`so when you set the timer, did it loop or did it go longer`
`08:28.36`	`Xapti`	`like slower`
`08:28.44`	`Xapti`	`cause you can choose between that I think`
`08:28.46`	`XenoX101`	`it didnt go slower`
`08:28.52`	`XenoX101`	`I know time scale slows it down`
`08:30.03`	`Xapti`	`Anyone know how to make an ability add cooldown time to another ability (not make the cooldown longer, but to trigger some or all of it's cooldown)`
`08:30.46`	`Xapti`	`this is DIFFERENT than linking, because as far as I know, linking is mutual, and I do not want mutuality`
`08:31.58`	`XenoX101`	`gee that sounds tough`
`08:32.08`	`Xapti`	`oh it can be done with trigger`
`08:32.15`	`XenoX101`	`yeah`
`08:32.30`	`Xapti`	`I'd prefer nto to use trigers, because it's so damn bitchy with latency`
`08:32.35`	`Xapti`	`but might be my only option`
`08:32.53`	`Xapti`	`Already have to use triggers alongside abilities, bad enough as it is`
`08:33.57`	`XenoX101`	`hm, not to divert but do you know of any way by any chance of killing the actor when the target unit dies?`
`08:34.46`	`XenoX101`	`UnitDeath event doesn't work`
`08:37.03`	`XenoX101`	`imma have a glass of wine brb`
`08:39.52`	`Xapti`	`which actor?`
`08:40.06`	`XenoX101`	`back`
`08:40.09`	`XenoX101`	`my fireball burning actor`
`08:40.28`	`XenoX101`	`there has to be a way cause units burn all the time and I never see the flame actor persist`
`08:40.38`	`XenoX101`	`but mine's persisting :(`
`08:41.32`	`XenoX101`	`hm, this wine's pretty flat, oh well`
`08:41.40`	`XenoX101`	`can't expect the world for $15`
`08:42.16`	`Agouti`	`xapti: back`
`08:42.36`	`Agouti`	`I'd expect something pretty reasonable for $15`
`08:42.47`	`Agouti`	`it's not $6 goon`
`08:42.51`	`XenoX101`	`mm`
`08:43.13`	`XenoX101`	`it's more like $10 wine though`
`08:43.26`	`Agouti`	`oh, christmas bonus`
`08:43.28`	`Agouti`	`of course`
`08:43.38`	`XenoX101`	`lol`
`08:43.38`	`Agouti`	`damn capitalism`
`08:43.43`	`XenoX101`	`actually this wine is fair suck`
`08:43.49`	`XenoX101`	`I should buy another bottle`
`08:43.55`	`Agouti`	`only for the first 2 glasses`
`08:43.55`	`XenoX101`	`of something nicer`
`08:44.15`	`Agouti`	`just put it aside and save it for when you can't notice ;)`
`08:44.20`	`XenoX101`	`lol`
`08:44.26`	`XenoX101`	`I expected it to be nice cause I had a nice barossa valley before`
`08:44.31`	`XenoX101`	`and this one is also barossa valley`
`08:44.33`	`XenoX101`	`and 2008`
`08:44.42`	`Agouti`	`uuumm`
`08:44.47`	`Agouti`	`hm`
`08:44.54`	`Agouti`	`let me check what I have`
`08:45.01`	`Agouti`	`don't drink much wine`
`08:45.04`	`Xapti`	`I can't get wine for less than like 9$ in canada`
`08:45.09`	`XenoX101`	`I'm all about the wine`
`08:45.27`	`Xapti`	`minimum pricing`
`08:45.28`	`XenoX101`	`beer is good if you aren't eating like a pig, but I love eating like a pig so`
`08:45.40`	`XenoX101`	`(fat + fat = doubly fat)`
`08:46.08`	`Xapti`	`I like really flavorful beers and strong or thick stuff`
`08:46.11`	`XenoX101`	`yeah this is the one I had before - http://www.grantburgewines.com.au/thewines/?wine=22`
`08:46.14`	`XenoX101`	`that is a kick-ass wine`
`08:46.19`	`XenoX101`	`highly recommend it`
`08:46.24`	`XenoX101`	`barossa as well`
`08:46.30`	`XenoX101`	`and 2008 as well`
`08:46.36`	`XenoX101`	`they must've really fucked this one up`
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`08:46.45`	`Xapti`	`what price is it`
`08:46.56`	`XenoX101`	`it's not grant burge though, its warburn 'premium reserve'`
`08:46.59`	`XenoX101`	`the grant burge is about $20`
`08:47.12`	`Xapti`	`oh and taht one is the 15$ one?`
`08:47.46`	`XenoX101`	`the $15 one is this piece of crap - http://www.dealsdirect.com.au/p/6-warburn-premium-reserve-barossa-merlot-2009/`
`08:48.32`	`Xapti`	`14% that's pretty high for wine isn't it`
`08:49.12`	`XenoX101`	`um, a little I think`
`08:49.33`	`XenoX101`	`actually nah`
`08:49.37`	`XenoX101`	`12-14% is about average`
`08:50.01`	`Agouti`	`I live in a city with a big university`
`08:50.05`	`Agouti`	`so you can get very cheap wine`
`08:50.14`	`XenoX101`	`ah yeah`
`08:50.17`	`XenoX101`	`this is a nice pinot - http://www.taylorswines.com.au/wine-estate/313`
`08:50.23`	`XenoX101`	`cheap, but nice`
`08:50.25`	`Xapti`	`can't legally get wine for under 9$ a bottle here`
`08:50.33`	`Agouti`	`huh...`
`08:50.35`	`Agouti`	`hm`
`08:50.37`	`Agouti`	`fair enough`
`08:50.41`	`Agouti`	`poor bums`
`08:50.49`	`Xapti`	`small beers are minimum 2.20$ or something`
`08:50.50`	`XenoX101`	`well`
`08:51.00`	`XenoX101`	`I say you can't -morally- get wine for under $9 a bottle`
`08:51.02`	`XenoX101`	`;p;`
`08:51.03`	`XenoX101`	`;p*`
`08:51.12`	`Agouti`	`man, canada is a bad place to be an alco`
`08:51.26`	`XenoX101`	`you say that like its a bad thing`
`08:51.30`	`Xapti`	`I just finished a home made bottle from someone from 2005`
`08:51.39`	`Xapti`	`wasn't bad. I'm not big into wines`
`08:51.47`	`Agouti`	`I'm not a big wine person`
`08:51.55`	`XenoX101`	`you know, the way I see it`
`08:51.56`	`Agouti`	`I swing between bourbon and beer`
`08:51.58`	`Xapti`	`by big into i mean I can't distinguish the tastes too much`
`08:52.00`	`XenoX101`	`you watch a great movie`
`08:52.03`	`XenoX101`	`you play a great game`
`08:52.07`	`XenoX101`	`you buy good clothes`
`08:52.09`	`XenoX101`	`you eat well`
`08:52.11`	`XenoX101`	`you drink good wine`
`08:52.23`	`XenoX101`	`it just makes sense`
`08:52.27`	`Agouti`	`heh`
`08:52.39`	`Agouti`	`I can't stand cheap win`
`08:52.42`	`Agouti`	`wine*`
`08:52.46`	`XenoX101`	`no, not many can lol`
`08:52.52`	`Agouti`	`i can drink good wine, but I'm still not big on it`
`08:53.03`	`Agouti`	`I'd rather have a nice lager`
`08:53.09`	`Agouti`	`speaking of such`
`08:53.10`	`XenoX101`	`I honestly had to stop myself from making sour faces this one time I ordered the house at a cheap restaurant`
`08:53.18`	`Agouti`	`Dry Dock is quite nice for the price`
`08:53.20`	`XenoX101`	`bad wine is horrible`
`08:53.24`	`XenoX101`	`bad beer is okay`
`08:53.29`	`Agouti`	`sour grapes and metho`
`08:53.47`	`XenoX101`	`lol`
`08:54.01`	`Agouti`	`I think DD is only at woolies liquor`
`08:54.17`	`Agouti`	`but it really is nice for a $15 6 pack`
`08:54.20`	`XenoX101`	`I'll keep an eye out`
`08:54.42`	`Agouti`	`if you imagine tooheys extra dry in lager form`
`08:55.07`	`Agouti`	`noooow, what was I doing in sc2`
`08:55.11`	`Agouti`	`5 hours ago`
`08:55.16`	`Agouti`	`when I stopped`
`08:55.17`	`Agouti`	`hmmmm`
`08:55.29`	`XenoX101`	`actually I do miss some nice beers too`
`08:55.37`	`XenoX101`	`back when I was 19`
`08:55.43`	`XenoX101`	`tried every beer in my local watering hole`
`08:55.54`	`XenoX101`	`actually no`
`08:55.56`	`XenoX101`	`liquor store`
`08:56.03`	`XenoX101`	`wasn't a pub`
`08:56.03`	`Agouti`	`blue tongue isn't bad, if you get that your way`
`08:56.03`	`Xapti`	`liquor store better idea`
`08:56.19`	`XenoX101`	`I hate blue tongue`
`08:56.19`	`Xapti`	`lots of places at least here don't carry much special stuff`
`08:56.26`	`XenoX101`	`my favourite beers are`
`08:56.33`	`Agouti`	`i live in the hunter valley, got a lot of good local wines and beers`
`08:56.37`	`Xapti`	`so many beers taste so mcuh the same to me... like the lagers I think?`
`08:56.41`	`XenoX101`	`Asahi, Gage Roads, Heineken`
`08:56.51`	`XenoX101`	`on tap only for heineken though`
`08:56.58`	`XenoX101`	`if you get a good tap its amazing`
`08:56.59`	`Agouti`	`haven't had, haven't had, was pretty so so about`
`08:57.03`	`Xapti`	`I like really rich/flavorful or strong beers`
`08:57.17`	`Agouti`	`I had bottled heineken and wasn't impressed`
`08:57.22`	`XenoX101`	`mm most beers aren't very rich`
`08:57.26`	`XenoX101`	`thats what wine is for ;p`
`08:57.27`	`Agouti`	`DD isn't a strong beer`
`08:57.32`	`Agouti`	`heh`
`08:57.39`	`Xapti`	`i had a belgian beer that was nice because it had like really fine carbonation. If I swished it it would feel like cream in my mouth`
`08:57.40`	`Agouti`	`stout :P`
`08:58.04`	`Agouti`	`<Xapti>If I swished it it would feel like cream in my mouth`
`08:58.12`	`Agouti`	`yay for context`
`08:58.18`	`Agouti`	`where did purl go`
`08:58.27`	`Xapti`	`lol`
`08:59.02`	`XenoX101`	`yeah I'll`
`08:59.07`	`XenoX101`	`recommend you some good beers`
`08:59.17`	`XenoX101`	`just need to remember them`
`09:00.17`	`XenoX101`	`James Boag premium is good`
`09:00.24`	`XenoX101`	`(aussie beer though)`
`09:00.35`	`XenoX101`	`Stella Artois is strong`
`09:01.25`	`Xapti`	`oh it is?`
`09:01.25`	`XenoX101`	`um`
`09:01.28`	`XenoX101`	`shit I'm going blank`
`09:01.30`	`XenoX101`	`ya`
`09:01.33`	`XenoX101`	`its a lager`
`09:01.36`	`Xapti`	`I think I've had it before, although I can't remember`
`09:01.46`	`XenoX101`	`err`
`09:01.46`	`XenoX101`	`pilsner`
`09:01.47`	`XenoX101`	`*`
`09:01.48`	`Xapti`	`don't think it was antyhign specialif i did have it`
`09:01.54`	`XenoX101`	`all pilsners are strong`
`09:02.00`	`XenoX101`	`if you look them up`
`09:02.12`	`Xapti`	`I like guiness`
`09:02.28`	`XenoX101`	`in Australia, there's one called James Squire Bohemian Pilsner`
`09:02.34`	`Xapti`	`and imperial chocolate stout or two i had which are nice`
`09:02.35`	`XenoX101`	`don't drink more than one, but if you do its amazing`
`09:02.44`	`XenoX101`	`oh so`
`09:02.47`	`XenoX101`	`you like the really strong stuff`
`09:02.59`	`XenoX101`	`like stout`
`09:04.33`	`Xapti`	`I heard of something called I think "black friday", it's pretty damn rare but supposedly awesome. 20% abv beer lol`
`09:04.42`	`XenoX101`	`wow`
`09:04.47`	`XenoX101`	`actually that reminds me`
`09:05.36`	`XenoX101`	`you'd like bavaria 8.6`
`09:05.50`	`XenoX101`	`it's a pretty strong taste`
`09:05.56`	`XenoX101`	`quite nice though, smooth`
`09:06.49`	`XenoX101`	`hm, this wine is drinkable after a while`
`09:06.59`	`XenoX101`	`still flat but not as much as when first opened`
`09:07.11`	`XenoX101`	`bit spicier now`
`09:09.22`	`XenoX101`	`but perhaps it is slightly due to my slight inebriation ;p`
`09:09.39`	`XenoX101`	`partly*`
`09:18.28`	`XenoX101`	`damnit, still cant get this actor to die`
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`09:22.24`	`ducky`	`anyone in here?`
`09:22.50`	`XenoX101`	`partly`
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`09:24.33`	`ducky`	`I just wonder, would anyone know how to change unit's texture ingame?`
`09:24.54`	`Xapti`	`probably need to change the model entirely is my guess`
`09:25.22`	`XenoX101`	`nope`
`09:25.28`	`XenoX101`	`someone proved me wrong yesterday on that`
`09:25.35`	`XenoX101`	`just need a dds editor or something`
`09:25.52`	`XenoX101`	`Jiiks was doing it`
`09:25.53`	`Helral\|Work`	`there's an action if I remember correctly that can change a texture`
`09:25.54`	`Xapti`	`he said in-game not in-editor`
`09:25.56`	`XenoX101`	`(I think thats his name)`
`09:26.18`	`XenoX101`	`Yeah, you can use trigs or data to change the unit`
`09:26.22`	`XenoX101`	`to the one with the texture`
`09:26.25`	`ducky`	`well, i'm looking at data right now and feeling lost`
`09:26.27`	`XenoX101`	`in-game`
`09:26.42`	`ducky`	`in game i ment when map runs`
`09:26.42`	`XenoX101`	`you won't be able to change the unit's texture`
`09:26.44`	`XenoX101`	`with trigs`
`09:26.47`	`XenoX101`	`you'll have to swap the unit`
`09:26.51`	`XenoX101`	`or model`
`09:26.56`	`XenoX101`	`ohhh`
`09:27.00`	`XenoX101`	`thats what he meant`
`09:27.00`	`XenoX101`	`lol`
`09:27.01`	`XenoX101`	`nvm'`
`09:27.04`	`XenoX101`	`I'm an idiot`
`09:27.24`	`Helral\|Work`	`thought there was an set actor texture or something trigger.`
`09:27.26`	`XenoX101`	`its the wine talking :D`
`09:27.34`	`ducky`	`nah, maybie it's just that i'm not good with explaining what i want :O`
`09:27.46`	`ducky`	`i'm looking for one right now`
`09:28.00`	`ducky`	`but then there is another question`
`09:28.10`	`Helral\|Work`	`I don't have the sc2editor here :( else I could have taken a quick peek.`
`09:28.12`	`ducky`	`where do i find theese texture`
`09:28.49`	`Helral\|Work`	`they're .dds files. like Marine_diffuse.dds`
`09:29.19`	`XenoX101`	`"Apply Global Texture Group" ?`
`09:30.14`	`XenoX101`	`you can also do that same thing in actor actions in data`
`09:30.16`	`XenoX101`	`near the bottom`
`09:30.28`	`XenoX101`	`there's like 20 or so texture actions`
`09:30.55`	`Helral\|Work`	`XenoX101: hehehe send actor message would prolly contain it as well then.`
`09:31.09`	`Helral\|Work`	`since that supports the same list as the actor actions in data.`
`09:31.20`	`ducky`	`thats what i'm searching for, to change texture through events :)`
`09:31.51`	`XenoX101`	`yeah`
`09:31.53`	`XenoX101`	`hey Helral`
`09:32.13`	`XenoX101`	`do you have any idea how I might trigger removal of a burning actor on a unit when it dies?`
`09:32.28`	`XenoX101`	`cause right now the flame persists even after the unit who is burning dies`
`09:32.40`	`Xapti`	`xenox`
`09:32.47`	`Helral\|Work`	`at the burning actor add the unit death event and kill the burning actor.`
`09:32.56`	`XenoX101`	`I tried Unit death`
`09:33.00`	`XenoX101`	`didnt work`
`09:33.00`	`Xapti`	`did you try adding an event to the fire actor "unit dies" action: destroy`
`09:34.44`	`XenoX101`	`thats the same thing isnt it?`
`09:35.15`	`XenoX101`	`yeah unit death, action destroy`
`09:35.52`	`ducky`	`:l data editor sometimes makes me feel so helpless, like i don't even know what i'm doing`
`09:36.02`	`ducky`	`my situation is: I've made unit that has doodads model. doodad changes textures based on texture set. And i want unit to use one of thoose instead of default one.`
`09:37.14`	`ducky`	`and I can't find anything in actor events to swap textures =[`
`09:38.13`	`XenoX101`	`Texture Select by Id or Texture Group Apply/Apply Global might work`
`09:39.24`	`ducky`	`i alredy tried thoose`
`09:39.40`	`ducky`	`but i think... i messed up when duplicated models D:`
`09:39.58`	`ducky`	`got to check something :D`
`09:41.29`	`Agouti`	`Xen: James Boag is quite, quite nice`
`09:42.45`	`ducky`	`yaaay!`
`09:42.49`	`ducky`	`is happy`
`09:42.59`	`Agouti`	`is happy with ducky`
`09:43.00`	`XenoX101`	`Agouti: I had it a number of times some time ago`
`09:43.04`	`XenoX101`	`was my pick`
`09:43.04`	`Agouti`	`why are we happy`
`09:43.15`	`XenoX101`	`how'd you get it working`
`09:43.16`	`Agouti`	`expensive though`
`09:43.20`	`XenoX101`	`true`
`09:44.01`	`ducky`	`we are happy because i found out that we must be carefull when mass duplicating units :D`
`09:45.48`	`XenoX101`	`lol`
`09:46.16`	`XenoX101`	`hope the same doesnt apply with abilities because if it does I'll be in for a hell of a time`
`09:46.23`	`ducky`	`texture group apply really worked, i only needed to add texture declarations in one of model fields`
`09:46.44`	`XenoX101`	`nice one`
`09:47.00`	`XenoX101`	`yeah thats something I don't like about data`
`09:47.06`	`XenoX101`	`some things just never work`
`09:47.17`	`XenoX101`	`and are in fact never used by any sc2 units`
`09:47.40`	`XenoX101`	`validators are a perfect example, only 3 of them are used by sc2`
`09:47.46`	`XenoX101`	`and maybe another 3 actually work`
`09:47.55`	`XenoX101`	`the others just look interesting`
`09:51.31`	`ducky`	`hm`
`09:52.08`	`ducky`	`it seems that if unit have a footprint then it ignores collision flags`
`09:52.24`	`ducky`	`so collision flags only work if unit have no footprint`
`09:53.09`	`ducky`	`but absence of footprint on buildings messes up pathfinding`
`09:53.12`	`ducky`	`=[[[[`
`09:54.28`	`XenoX101`	`hm, colussus beam uses "SupporterDestroyed" event`
`09:54.35`	`XenoX101`	`with "::Creator" under "Host Supporter"`
`09:55.27`	`XenoX101`	`and it uses one actor to create another`
`09:55.29`	`XenoX101`	`fascinating`
`10:03.43`	`XenoX101`	`ah thats for chaining actors`
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`10:06.51`	`XenoX101`	`sweet, it works for my actors too`
`10:07.08`	`XenoX101`	`I now have my subsequent impact effects for my obelisk with "Host = ::Creator"`
`10:07.43`	`XenoX101`	`and my main impact effect with "ActorCreation, Create ObeliskImpactEffect2" & "ActorCreation, Create ObeliskImpactEffect3"`
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`10:10.27`	`ducky`	`woah, i just found out that i can swap models for each individual unit :D`
`10:10.52`	`ducky`	`this makes everything so much more flexible and trigger dependant :D`
`10:13.48`	`Xapti`	`XenoX how could you say that validators aren't used in normal SC2?`
`10:14.05`	`Xapti`	`yeah ducky, pretty sure anyone could have told you that, lol`
`10:14.33`	`XenoX101`	`many aren't`
`10:14.46`	`Xapti`	`in fact I sorta did. When you asked about switching textures, I said you'd have to switch models (or essentially switch actors)`
`10:14.46`	`ducky`	`well, we learn something new every day :D`
`10:15.12`	`ducky`	`yeah, somehow i didn't register it D:`
`10:15.51`	`Xapti`	`well I spent a hell of a long time on my map today, felt like I hardly got anything done`
`10:15.58`	`Xapti`	`I added 1 ability :\`
`10:17.15`	`ducky`	`I was doing walls for my random maze in my own supernewb way making seperate unit for different wall model, but now.. i feel empowered :D feel the need to adjust the system and work even more :D`
`10:18.46`	`ducky`	`happiness overwhelming :D`
`10:20.07`	`Xapti`	`bah battlenet is fudging up`
`10:20.35`	`Xapti`	`was going to test my map online... I have a suspicion that custom loading tips don't display right if you're testing the map locally`
`10:20.48`	`Xapti`	`does anyone know if the do or what?`
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`10:40.41`	`Agouti`	`Xapti: custom loading tips (Help text?) display fine for me with testing`
`10:42.27`	`Agouti`	`Xenox: I would disagree about the validators as well, many more than 3 are used`
`10:42.52`	`Agouti`	`in terms of percent, it's low, but that is only because they added in lots and lots ready to use`
`10:43.26`	`Agouti`	`though, thinking about it, most stuff is done with Requirements`
`10:43.33`	`Agouti`	`which I guess are a fancy type of Validator`
`10:47.00`	`XenoX101`	`Agouti, Xapti, I counted a wopping 6 types of validators used`
`10:47.03`	`XenoX101`	`one of which was only used a few times'`
`10:47.18`	`Agouti`	`I count Requirements as Validators ;)`
`10:47.24`	`XenoX101`	`and there are about 60`
`10:47.26`	`XenoX101`	`validators`
`10:47.26`	`Agouti`	`they seem to be basically the same thing`
`10:47.38`	`XenoX101`	`6/60 validator type used`
`10:47.41`	`XenoX101`	`that surely says something`
`10:47.43`	`Agouti`	`in melee`
`10:47.52`	`Agouti`	`campaign mebbe moreso`
`10:47.56`	`Stewox`	`validator = requirement *`
`10:47.59`	`Stewox`	`?`
`10:48.14`	`Agouti`	`they look much the same`
`10:48.22`	`Agouti`	`just used slightly differently`
`10:49.00`	`XenoX101`	`has anyone ever map editted drunk?\`
`10:49.08`	`XenoX101`	`I'm tempted to try it (the drunk part)`
`10:49.13`	`Agouti`	`there are a large number of things I do drunk`
`10:49.17`	`Agouti`	`map editing is not one of them`
`10:49.19`	`XenoX101`	`the drinking part*`
`10:49.26`	`XenoX101`	`lol`
`10:49.30`	`Agouti`	`:P`
`10:49.41`	`XenoX101`	`"WHYSSS ISSNNTTT MY ABBIIILLLZITY EOWKIRNG!?"`
`10:49.42`	`Agouti`	`though, if I had beer, I would be drinking it right now`
`10:49.47`	`Helral\|Work`	`I think map editing drunk will end up with you getting annoyed cause you can't find the right keys ;p`
`10:50.10`	`Agouti`	`triggers? sure`
`10:50.14`	`Agouti`	`DE is hard enough as it is`
`10:50.45`	`XenoX101`	`with DE you'll end up doing something silly like applying a "Is alive" validator to every effect`
`10:50.50`	`XenoX101`	`"MAKE SURE HE'S ALIVE"`
`10:51.03`	`XenoX101`	`"HE NEEDS TO BE AALIIIVEEEEE"`
`10:51.16`	`Agouti`	`heh`
`10:51.19`	`Xapti`	`I thought requirements used validators?`
`10:51.32`	`Agouti`	`or replacing the marauders missile with a tank`
`10:51.36`	`Helral\|Work`	`lol Xapti ;p`
`10:51.59`	`XenoX101`	`I want to see a cow launcher`
`10:52.02`	`XenoX101`	`at some point`
`10:52.04`	`Agouti`	`^^^^^^^^^^^^^`
`10:52.06`	`XenoX101`	`in my mapmaking career`
`10:52.07`	`Agouti`	`yes.`
`10:52.20`	`Agouti`	`complete with a potato gun THONK`
`10:52.21`	`XenoX101`	`with sound to boot`
`10:52.24`	`Xapti`	`Agouti how do I enable custom tips the?`
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`10:52.35`	`XenoX101`	`yes`
`10:52.39`	`Agouti`	`I did mine through the Help text for map info`
`10:52.41`	`Xapti`	`I set my tips from Game UI data, but the olddefault ones are still displaying`
`10:52.48`	`Xapti`	`oh nonono`
`10:52.54`	`Xapti`	`I said loading screen tips`
`10:52.56`	`Agouti`	`nonono?`
`10:53.04`	`Agouti`	`oh tips, that shuffle?`
`10:53.08`	`Xapti`	`yeah`
`10:53.09`	`Agouti`	`haven't touched them sorry`
`10:53.15`	`Xapti`	`"loading screen help"`
`10:53.19`	`Helral\|Work`	`Data Editor --> one of those 2 game data things.`
`10:53.27`	`Xapti`	`I set them`
`10:53.32`	`Xapti`	`Game UI`
`10:53.48`	`Xapti`	`but it's still displaying the old ones even though I deleted them and replaced them`
`10:53.54`	`Helral\|Work`	`hmmmm`
`10:53.57`	`Xapti`	`is it because I'm testing the map offline?`
`10:54.01`	`Xapti`	`that's what I thought`
`10:54.11`	`Xapti`	`battle.net is down right now though so I can't test`
`10:54.13`	`XenoX101`	`does anyone know anything about actor sites?`
`10:54.17`	`XenoX101`	`err, site actors?`
`10:54.30`	`Xapti`	`no haven't heard of them`
`10:54.47`	`Agouti`	`I don't know much about them sadly`
`10:55.06`	`XenoX101`	`k`
`10:55.10`	`Agouti`	`except vague stuff about what they are for which you would know already`
`10:55.23`	`XenoX101`	`I'm thinking I need to make a site for my fireball buff`
`10:55.29`	`XenoX101`	`which activates and disables when the behaviour goes on and off`
`10:55.35`	`XenoX101`	`and then I need effects within it`
`10:55.39`	`Agouti`	`um`
`10:55.41`	`XenoX101`	`that activate when seperate stacks happen`
`10:55.44`	`Xapti`	`oh sites, those are things that make other units I think`
`10:55.49`	`XenoX101`	`yeah exactly`
`10:55.52`	`Xapti`	`like actor making another`
`10:55.52`	`Agouti`	`can't you just set the launch spot XYZ from unit center`
`10:55.55`	`Agouti`	`in the event?`
`10:56.04`	`XenoX101`	`the idea is that`
`10:56.10`	`Agouti`	`like the attack actor`
`10:56.17`	`XenoX101`	`it destroys when the behaviour turns off`
`10:56.20`	`XenoX101`	`thats why I want to use it`
`10:56.33`	`XenoX101`	`I can't do that for the actor itself because that means I have to create the effect with Behaviour turning on`
`10:56.49`	`XenoX101`	`and if I create the effect with behaviour.On then it doesnt stack`
`10:57.13`	`XenoX101`	`so in order for effects to stack`
`10:57.18`	`XenoX101`	`but to be triggerable by behaviour`
`10:57.31`	`XenoX101`	`I make the individual effects "Effect.applybuff" triggered`
`10:57.43`	`XenoX101`	`but the site triggered by the behaviour.On, behaviour.Off`
`10:57.45`	`XenoX101`	`if that makes sense`
`10:57.53`	`Agouti`	`yeah`
`10:58.04`	`Agouti`	`I don't know how to do it, but it makes sense`
`10:58.15`	`Agouti`	`you can't specify an offset there?`
`10:58.16`	`XenoX101`	`yeah`
`10:58.22`	`XenoX101`	`what do you mean`
`10:58.34`	`Agouti`	`well, for instance the archon beam`
`10:58.43`	`Agouti`	`doesn't use a SO for where the beam launches from`
`10:58.54`	`Agouti`	`I believe it just uses an offset`
`10:59.30`	`XenoX101`	`yeah its not where the effect launches thats the issue though`
`10:59.39`	`Agouti`	`oh`
`10:59.40`	`XenoX101`	`its that the effect won't die when the behaviour turns off`
`10:59.57`	`XenoX101`	`and I've found through my experience, if you start an actor with an effect, you have to end it with an effect`
`10:59.57`	`Agouti`	`isn't that just another event?`
`11:00.06`	`XenoX101`	`no, because of what I just said ^`
`11:00.17`	`Agouti`	`you typed it after me :(`
`11:00.19`	`Agouti`	`shh`
`11:00.20`	`XenoX101`	`yeah ;p`
`11:00.24`	`Agouti`	`damn lag`
`11:00.29`	`Agouti`	`hmmmmmmmmmm`
`11:00.36`	`XenoX101`	`so if I start the site with a behaviour`
`11:00.38`	`XenoX101`	`and end it with a behaviour`
`11:00.45`	`XenoX101`	`then I can make the effects die`
`11:00.52`	`XenoX101`	`when the supporter dies`
`11:00.53`	`Agouti`	`sounds like the way to do it`
`11:01.01`	`XenoX101`	`yeah`
`11:01.05`	`XenoX101`	`shouldn't be this complicated though`
`11:01.05`	`XenoX101`	`oh well`
`11:01.07`	`XenoX101`	`see how we go`
`11:01.22`	`Agouti`	`well, good luck`
`11:01.30`	`XenoX101`	`thankyou`
`11:01.36`	`Agouti`	`is reminded of text Zork`
`11:01.39`	`XenoX101`	`I'll be sending you my map after this for critique and analysis`
`11:01.55`	`Agouti`	`>It is dangerous to go alone! Here, take this!`
`11:01.59`	`XenoX101`	`lol`
`11:02.00`	`Agouti`	`hands kitten`
`11:02.40`	`XenoX101`	`so yeah if you could give me some opinions after this`
`11:02.42`	`XenoX101`	`would be awesome`
`11:02.57`	`XenoX101`	`actually I'm reminded of the Blizzard Dota youtube clip`
`11:02.59`	`XenoX101`	`Feedback = Awesome`
`11:03.12`	`XenoX101`	`""*`
`11:03.28`	`XenoX101`	`when I first read that I was like, yeah that is a pretty cool spell`
`11:03.30`	`XenoX101`	`then it hit me`
`11:03.33`	`XenoX101`	`lol`
`11:04.54`	`Agouti`	`I`
`11:04.55`	`Agouti`	`love`
`11:04.56`	`Agouti`	`feedback`
`11:05.05`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Shawn\|Rawr (~chatzilla@ip70-170-34-31.lv.lv.cox.net)`
`11:05.06`	`Agouti`	`always hassling the forum regulars to give feedback`
`11:05.18`	`Agouti`	`they have a nasty habit of just putting up with something done wrong`
`11:05.21`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`~seen progammer`
`11:05.26`	`purl`	`progammer <a43a7020@gateway/web/freenode/ip.164.58.112.32> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 17h 36m 9s ago, saying: 'disable restriction is the opposite'.`
`11:05.32`	`XenoX101`	`lol`
`11:05.33`	`Agouti`	`well`
`11:05.34`	`Agouti`	`it is`
`11:05.42`	`Agouti`	`:-/`
`11:05.49`	`XenoX101`	`I thought people love giving opinions`
`11:05.51`	`XenoX101`	`I know I do ;p`
`11:05.56`	`Agouti`	`me too :D`
`11:06.07`	`Agouti`	`whether people want them or not`
`11:06.12`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I am OCD and if progammer doesnt fix the damn news i'll go insane`
`11:06.13`	`XenoX101`	`haha true`
`11:06.15`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`X.X`
`11:06.24`	`XenoX101`	`not good enough for ya shawn? ;p`
`11:06.30`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Gamepost?!!`
`11:06.36`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Really?`
`11:06.42`	`Agouti`	`YAS`
`11:06.43`	`XenoX101`	`Gamespot*`
`11:06.44`	`Agouti`	`RLY.`
`11:06.45`	`XenoX101`	`gees`
`11:06.52`	`Agouti`	`gees are scary`
`11:06.53`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`It says "Gamepost"`
`11:07.03`	`Agouti`	`but`
`11:07.04`	`Agouti`	`gees`
`11:07.06`	`Agouti`	`are scary`
`11:07.10`	`Agouti`	`they chase kids`
`11:07.14`	`Agouti`	`and adult too some times`
`11:07.18`	`XenoX101`	`oh`
`11:07.21`	`XenoX101`	`it does too`
`11:07.44`	`XenoX101`	`planet minigolf, haha`
`11:07.51`	`XenoX101`	`they should make a minigolf game in SC2`
`11:07.55`	`XenoX101`	`that would be amazing`
`11:07.56`	`Agouti`	`^`
`11:08.00`	`Agouti`	`would love it`
`11:08.07`	`XenoX101`	`someone who is awesome at physics`
`11:08.09`	`XenoX101`	`needs to make one`
`11:08.11`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Maybe with mouse tracking`
`11:08.17`	`Agouti`	`pity my map making calendar is filled up for the next oh idk`
`11:08.17`	`Agouti`	`2 years`
`11:08.24`	`XenoX101`	`lol yeah`
`11:08.25`	`Agouti`	`damn long term projects`
`11:08.28`	`XenoX101`	`I know the feeling`
`11:08.52`	`Agouti`	`I promised I wouldn't abandon the map until it had at least a dozen titans, minions and heroes`
`11:08.54`	`Agouti`	`at this rate`
`11:08.57`	`XenoX101`	`hm, looking at this video I'm thinking of something...`
`11:09.02`	`XenoX101`	`they should have an option in the editor to play ambience`
`11:09.08`	`XenoX101`	`like the SC2 ambient music`
`11:09.09`	`Agouti`	`that will be done just in time for HotS`
`11:09.16`	`Agouti`	`heh`
`11:09.25`	`XenoX101`	`I find normal music hard to listen to when I have to pause it 500,000 times when testing my stuff`
`11:09.27`	`Agouti`	`I play normal music :3`
`11:09.32`	`Agouti`	`ohright`
`11:09.41`	`Agouti`	`why don't you just export the game music?`
`11:09.47`	`XenoX101`	`its like "we'll be back after the break!"`
`11:09.50`	`Agouti`	`it's only like ogg`
`11:09.59`	`XenoX101`	`no but the point is`
`11:10.02`	`XenoX101`	`if its in the editor`
`11:10.05`	`XenoX101`	`it will automatically start and stop`
`11:10.09`	`XenoX101`	`when you launch/close the game`
`11:10.16`	`Agouti`	`ah xen, thats the beauty of high end headphones - you don't need to pause the music`
`11:10.22`	`XenoX101`	`lol`
`11:10.22`	`Agouti`	`you can hear everything over it`
`11:10.26`	`Agouti`	`^__^`
`11:10.29`	`XenoX101`	`my headphones cost me`
`11:10.31`	`XenoX101`	`$230`
`11:10.34`	`XenoX101`	`don't talk to me about hi-end lol`
`11:10.37`	`Agouti`	`thats not TOO bad`
`11:10.40`	`Agouti`	`lol what`
`11:10.43`	`Agouti`	`$230 is mid range`
`11:10.45`	`Agouti`	`rofl`
`11:10.46`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Why can't people at the very least spell words right in thread titles and the main page of a website`
`11:10.50`	`XenoX101`	`I got them on eBay though`
`11:10.55`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`That just drives me insane`
`11:10.55`	`Agouti`	`what are?`
`11:11.11`	`Agouti`	`why can't people look beyond simple spelling mistakes?`
`11:11.12`	`Agouti`	`god`
`11:11.18`	`Agouti`	`that drives me unsane`
`11:11.18`	`XenoX101`	`Beyerdynamic DT-770 80 ohm, LIMITED EDITION #63 of 250`
`11:11.24`	`XenoX101`	`they're silver`
`11:11.30`	`Agouti`	`my last set were beyer`
`11:11.45`	`XenoX101`	`I also have a pair of Sennheiser HD 25-1's for portable use`
`11:11.47`	`Xapti`	`$200 is high-end for standard computer users or gamers`
`11:11.57`	`Agouti`	`I found them a bit uncomfortable tbh`
`11:11.58`	`XenoX101`	`which are similarly priced`
`11:12.04`	`XenoX101`	`these are super comfy, velour pads`
`11:12.11`	`Agouti`	`hope you bought a good soundcard or DAC to go with them`
`11:12.11`	`XenoX101`	`I wear them even when I dont listen to music`
`11:12.13`	`Xapti`	`only maybe not high end when you're talking about professional audio equipment`
`11:12.16`	`XenoX101`	`out of habit`
`11:12.26`	`XenoX101`	`I use my Pico amp`
`11:12.32`	`Agouti`	`goodo`
`11:12.33`	`Agouti`	`wait`
`11:12.37`	`XenoX101`	`http://www.headamp.com/`
`11:12.38`	`Agouti`	`still of onboard DAC?`
`11:12.39`	`Xapti`	`earbuds maybe up to 250 or 300`
`11:12.45`	`Agouti`	`yeah I know those`
`11:12.50`	`XenoX101`	`no I also have a soundcard`
`11:12.55`	`XenoX101`	`X-fi`
`11:13.01`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`SkullCandy not considered high end? lol`
`11:13.02`	`XenoX101`	`but my headphones plug right into the DAC`
`11:13.04`	`Agouti`	`my headphones are only cheapies, UE superfi 5's`
`11:13.08`	`Agouti`	`lol no`
`11:13.09`	`XenoX101`	`err`
`11:13.14`	`XenoX101`	`right off the amp`
`11:13.16`	`XenoX101`	`not the dac`
`11:13.26`	`XenoX101`	`err`
`11:13.33`	`XenoX101`	`ok`
`11:13.33`	`XenoX101`	`just`
`11:13.35`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Bose? No?`
`11:13.35`	`Agouti`	`having a good amp is good, but if the DAC is shit... lol`
`11:13.36`	`XenoX101`	`I'm going to shut up now`
`11:13.42`	`Agouti`	`Bose yes, if you get the right ones`
`11:13.50`	`XenoX101`	`I use an X-Fi DAC with my Pico amp`
`11:13.52`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`You guys are WAY too damn picky`
`11:13.54`	`XenoX101`	`Bose suck`
`11:13.59`	`XenoX101`	`"Buy other sound equipment"`
`11:14.00`	`Agouti`	`not all of them`
`11:14.09`	`XenoX101`	`"Buy Other Sound Equipment"*`
`11:14.10`	`Agouti`	`there are a couple which are reasonable`
`11:14.13`	`Agouti`	`if you are a bass head`
`11:14.24`	`XenoX101`	`yeah if you like muddy-as-a-pig base`
`11:14.27`	`XenoX101`	`bass*`
`11:14.31`	`Xapti`	`could have used the banes on the tanks there`
`11:14.42`	`Xapti`	`if there's liek 3-4tanks together baneling is worth it`
`11:14.52`	`Xapti`	`wrong channel`
`11:14.55`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I bet`
`11:15.10`	`Agouti`	`btw, xen, betcha your headphones are copies ;)`
`11:15.29`	`Agouti`	`770's go for like what? $500-something?`
`11:16.15`	`XenoX101`	`yes`
`11:16.18`	`XenoX101`	`these are off ebay`
`11:16.19`	`XenoX101`	`second hand`
`11:16.24`	`XenoX101`	`I got a steal for them`
`11:16.37`	`Agouti`	`not wrong`
`11:16.41`	`XenoX101`	`guarantee you they are not copies`
`11:17.03`	`Agouti`	`I wouldn't mind some DT250's, just to have a closed set`
`11:17.14`	`Agouti`	`I quite like the sound from them`
`11:17.30`	`Agouti`	`not super clear but good enough for off-hand headphones`
`11:17.34`	`XenoX101`	`ya`
`11:17.43`	`XenoX101`	`my DT-770's are great for techers and stuff, gorgeous highs`
`11:17.49`	`XenoX101`	`the mids are pretty good too though`
`11:17.56`	`XenoX101`	`which is more than I can say about my HD 25-1's`
`11:18.01`	`Xapti`	`holy crap, my VLC has a different screen icon for christmas`
`11:18.05`	`XenoX101`	`they scream their highs, mids are a bit lacking`
`11:18.15`	`XenoX101`	`lol`
`11:18.32`	`Agouti`	`heh`
`11:18.39`	`Agouti`	`I've only god AD900's atm`
`11:18.41`	`Agouti`	`*got`
`11:18.51`	`Agouti`	`DT880's would be nice`
`11:18.53`	`XenoX101`	`ah yeah`
`11:18.58`	`XenoX101`	`yeah I wanted DT-880's`
`11:19.02`	`XenoX101`	`but I saw these and thought screw it`
`11:19.20`	`Agouti`	`man for that price`
`11:19.31`	`Agouti`	`as long as they haven't been overextended or anything`
`11:19.40`	`XenoX101`	`trick is to buy overseas`
`11:19.42`	`XenoX101`	`australia get screwed`
`11:19.59`	`XenoX101`	`I got my HD 25-1's for $200, they retail in US for about $250-$300`
`11:20.02`	`XenoX101`	`guess how much you pay here`
`11:20.05`	`XenoX101`	`$500-$600`
`11:20.10`	`XenoX101`	`its ridiculous`
`11:20.13`	`Agouti`	`dunno sien's`
`11:20.16`	`Agouti`	`@__@`
`11:20.39`	`XenoX101`	`senheissers are your standard issue hi-fi headphone`
`11:20.58`	`XenoX101`	`the HD-600 and 650 are about the most normalized but clear sounding headphones around their price`
`11:21.14`	`Agouti`	`yeah I know of them, just never used/priced`
`11:21.23`	`Agouti`	`I like AT & BD`
`11:21.28`	`XenoX101`	`grados are nice for like, jazz and classical`
`11:21.30`	`XenoX101`	`very sharp highs`
`11:21.36`	`XenoX101`	`bass is good but not exceptional`
`11:21.45`	`XenoX101`	`and a fairly close soundstage`
`11:21.57`	`XenoX101`	`mind you I am going off public opinion, but y'know`
`11:22.02`	`Agouti`	`I picked the AD900's for the sound stage`
`11:22.14`	`Agouti`	`just seemed so much better than the rest on offer for testing at the time`
`11:22.26`	`Agouti`	`well`
`11:22.28`	`XenoX101`	`ya the HD25-1's are very close sounding`
`11:22.31`	`Agouti`	`those in my price range anyway`
`11:22.33`	`XenoX101`	`something that can be good and bad`
`11:22.46`	`XenoX101`	`sounds a bit shit on post rock which is meant to be somewhat epic`
`11:22.52`	`XenoX101`	`sounds great with like jeff buckley`
`11:23.03`	`Agouti`	`I kinda regret going for opens, many a time wish I had some noise attenuation`
`11:23.13`	`XenoX101`	`yeah HD 25-1's are tops at that`
`11:23.26`	`XenoX101`	`these are alright too`
`11:23.48`	`Agouti`	`prefer open though`
`11:23.53`	`XenoX101`	`but please tell me you don't listen to katy perry or some shit on those AD900's`
`11:23.59`	`Agouti`	`ew`
`11:24.11`	`Agouti`	`what have i got`
`11:24.12`	`Agouti`	`radiohead`
`11:24.13`	`Agouti`	`faithless`
`11:24.19`	`Agouti`	`are 2 biggest`
`11:24.22`	`Agouti`	`um`
`11:24.26`	`XenoX101`	`don't know faithless`
`11:24.27`	`Agouti`	`a lot of oldies`
`11:24.29`	`Agouti`	`counting crows`
`11:24.31`	`Agouti`	`eagles`
`11:24.43`	`Agouti`	`they are sorta a bit dance-orientated`
`11:24.52`	`Agouti`	`as close as I'd get to tehta genre`
`11:24.58`	`Agouti`	`lemme find a song`
`11:25.12`	`XenoX101`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBrUjvONIrA - I know this song`
`11:25.22`	`XenoX101`	`not bad`
`11:25.36`	`Agouti`	`yeah that is the most famous track`
`11:25.43`	`Agouti`	`but a lot of the olda stuff has really good lyrics`
`11:25.48`	`XenoX101`	`yeah I knew it was an oldie`
`11:25.50`	`XenoX101`	`1995`
`11:27.25`	`Agouti`	`well mastered, too, most of it`
`11:27.34`	`Agouti`	`some of the tracks have background noise intros`
`11:27.39`	`Agouti`	`like, bird sounds and things`
`11:27.46`	`Agouti`	`sounds like it's right outside the window`
`11:27.48`	`XenoX101`	`ah yeah`
`11:27.52`	`XenoX101`	`I don't pick that stuff actually`
`11:27.59`	`XenoX101`	`or I do`
`11:28.02`	`XenoX101`	`but I think its part of the song`
`11:28.07`	`XenoX101`	`I listen to a lot of ambient and post rock`
`11:28.16`	`Agouti`	`it was funny, one point one of them had like windy/storm sounds`
`11:28.24`	`XenoX101`	`lol`
`11:28.28`	`Agouti`	`and I actually went o oh, and put headphones down to take the washing in`
`11:28.35`	`Agouti`	`then felt very silly indeed`
`11:28.37`	`XenoX101`	`haha`
`11:28.50`	`XenoX101`	`yeah I've heard alarm sounds in one of my songs`
`11:28.56`	`XenoX101`	`and gone to look out the window`
`11:29.27`	`Agouti`	`haha`
`11:29.42`	`Agouti`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1H0J96vBoeM`
`11:29.50`	`Agouti`	`is one that I like for driving`
`11:31.56`	`Agouti`	`music matters is also good`
`11:32.06`	`Agouti`	`Bombs is good, if you can find the original clip`
`11:32.11`	`Agouti`	`they keep taking it down`
`11:32.23`	`Agouti`	`I want more is good`
`11:32.46`	`Agouti`	`don't leave`
`11:32.54`	`Agouti`	`take the long way home`
`11:32.57`	`Xapti`	`WTF kills use real variable?`
`11:33.03`	`Xapti`	`that's weird isn't it?`
`11:33.13`	`A1win`	`all unit properties are reals`
`11:33.25`	`Agouti`	`xwait`
`11:33.26`	`Agouti`	`what`
`11:33.33`	`Xapti`	`yeah but why`
`11:33.47`	`Agouti`	`lol`
`11:33.48`	`A1win`	`so you can get them with the same function I guess :P`
`11:33.49`	`Agouti`	`he has a point`
`11:33.53`	`Xapti`	`maybe it's all in a same-typed array or something`
`11:34.02`	`Agouti`	`would say so`
`11:34.03`	`XenoX101`	`technically speaking no values in sc2 should be 'real'`
`11:34.22`	`Agouti`	`Xapti: it's because the Set Unit Property functions accept reals ;)`
`11:34.24`	`XenoX101`	`cause everything measurable has an integer value`
`11:34.29`	`Xapti`	`oh right good point`
`11:34.31`	`XenoX101`	`movement speed is fixed`
`11:34.36`	`Agouti`	`well`
`11:34.38`	`Agouti`	`life percent?`
`11:34.46`	`XenoX101`	`yeah maybe`
`11:34.55`	`Agouti`	`MS is not an integer, it's a multiple of a base amount`
`11:35.03`	`Agouti`	`which would be annoying as hell to set`
`11:35.15`	`Agouti`	`so it needs to be at least 4 decimal points`
`11:35.39`	`Agouti`	`I'd say Real is still probably only like 3 bytes`
`11:35.40`	`Agouti`	`maybe 4`
`11:35.50`	`Agouti`	`wouldn't be like floating point`
`11:36.15`	`Agouti`	`hmmm what else`
`11:36.17`	`Agouti`	`doobie brothers`
`11:36.26`	`XenoX101`	`was just looking through my favourites on youtube, this part of this video is hilarious - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UG4Suy1u-2I#t=2m03s`
`11:36.32`	`Agouti`	`blue oyster cult`
`11:36.34`	`Agouti`	`cat empire`
`11:36.46`	`Agouti`	`led zeplin`
`11:36.54`	`Agouti`	`CAKE`
`11:36.55`	`XenoX101`	`haven't heard of any of them`
`11:37.00`	`Agouti`	`:O`
`11:37.02`	`Agouti`	`wut.`
`11:37.06`	`Agouti`	`omy`
`11:37.43`	`XenoX101`	`not big on rock actually`
`11:38.01`	`XenoX101`	`led zeppelin I've heard of, obviously`
`11:38.18`	`Agouti`	`well yeah`
`11:38.28`	`Agouti`	`doobie only had 1 or 2 famous soungs`
`11:38.37`	`Agouti`	`can't find a decently mastered copy`
`11:38.37`	`Agouti`	`but`
`11:38.38`	`Agouti`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cViggFZFlxU`
`11:38.50`	`Agouti`	`cat empire is a melbourne band, really fun to listen to`
`11:39.28`	`XenoX101`	`no wonder you were talking about masters lol`
`11:39.38`	`XenoX101`	`you'd really notice it in this stuff`
`11:39.39`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Shawn\|Rawr (~chatzilla@ip70-170-34-31.lv.lv.cox.net)`
`11:39.46`	`Agouti`	`I listen to a bit of the old stuff`
`11:39.51`	`Agouti`	`tough to find it well mastered`
`11:39.53`	`Agouti`	`at times`
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`11:40.33`	`XenoX101`	`ya`
`11:40.57`	`Agouti`	`cake: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nu_Jhp1BX6o`
`11:41.18`	`XenoX101`	`does anyone know anything about actor orphans`
`11:41.59`	`A1win`	`they're left behind the stage after a play and they grow up in the show business?`
`11:42.21`	`XenoX101`	`CAKE reminds me of - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEjutUbgpH8`
`11:42.23`	`Agouti`	`different from orphan actors`
`11:42.29`	`A1win`	`ah... damn`
`11:42.34`	`Agouti`	`OH`
`11:42.38`	`Agouti`	`TMBG`
`11:42.43`	`Agouti`	`man used to listen to them heaps`
`11:42.45`	`Agouti`	`forgot`
`11:42.50`	`Agouti`	`gotta track down some tracks`
`11:42.52`	`Agouti`	`so to speak`
`11:43.02`	`Agouti`	`and yeah, quite similar`
`11:43.29`	`Agouti`	`cake don't take their lyrics too seriously`
`11:43.54`	`Agouti`	`have a look for Sheep go to heaven, goats go to hell`
`11:44.01`	`Agouti`	`actually No Phone is good`
`11:44.12`	`Agouti`	`comfort eagle`
`11:46.18`	`XenoX101`	`yeah I think I've heard of cake actually`
`11:46.24`	`XenoX101`	`I do remember this song`
`11:47.00`	`Agouti`	`you've probably hear the cat empire as well`
`11:47.03`	`Agouti`	`*heard`
`11:47.33`	`Agouti`	`kind of a ska/jazz flavour`
`11:47.34`	`XenoX101`	`nope, this I haven't heard`
`11:47.46`	`Agouti`	`a lowhich?`
`11:47.48`	`Agouti`	`ldskjflskdf`
`11:47.49`	`Agouti`	`which?`
`11:48.09`	`XenoX101`	`cat empire`
`11:48.17`	`Agouti`	`which track?`
`11:49.59`	`XenoX101`	`haven't heard the band before`
`11:50.21`	`Agouti`	`hmm, fair enough`
`11:50.33`	`Agouti`	`kind of a ska/jazz flavour`
`11:50.38`	`Agouti`	`lots of brass`
`11:50.45`	`XenoX101`	`yeah`
`11:50.47`	`XenoX101`	`they're alright`
`11:51.08`	`XenoX101`	`not my style but yeah`
`11:51.17`	`Agouti`	`each to their own`
`11:51.19`	`Agouti`	`what else`
`11:51.21`	`XenoX101`	`I don't mind bob marley though`
`11:51.26`	`Agouti`	`I love classical guitar`
`11:51.28`	`XenoX101`	`which is kinda similar`
`11:51.32`	`Agouti`	`haha yeah`
`11:51.34`	`Agouti`	`and 10cc`
`11:51.53`	`XenoX101`	`I made a comment to someone a while back`
`11:51.59`	`XenoX101`	`that you can't listen to bob marley and not be happy`
`11:51.59`	`Agouti`	`I used to have a bunch of classical guitar cd's, and I don't know where they got to`
`11:52.03`	`Agouti`	`^`
`11:52.14`	`Agouti`	`great driving music as well`
`11:52.29`	`XenoX101`	`yeah, very cruisy`
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`11:54.19`	`Agouti`	`oh, and Muse on occasion`
`11:54.46`	`XenoX101`	`their early stuff is alright, not much on their later stuff though`
`11:54.47`	`Agouti`	`I like piano, but not overly fussed on most other classical things`
`11:54.52`	`Agouti`	`yeah`
`11:55.01`	`Agouti`	`blackholes and revelations`
`11:55.11`	`XenoX101`	`thinking more origin of symmetry`
`11:55.15`	`XenoX101`	`and absolution`
`11:55.37`	`Agouti`	`one of my all time favourite songs`
`11:55.37`	`Agouti`	`is`
`11:55.38`	`Agouti`	`Heart Asks Pleasure First/The Promise`
`11:55.44`	`Agouti`	`the version from The Piano`
`11:55.51`	`Agouti`	`which is hard to find via youtube`
`11:55.58`	`Agouti`	`one moment, unless you know it`
`11:56.34`	`Agouti`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZeA0PbjcdI`
`11:56.42`	`Agouti`	`I used to play the piano, ages back`
`11:56.59`	`Agouti`	`but the piano we had just got too old, couldn't be tuned anymore`
`11:57.02`	`Agouti`	`we were told`
`11:58.00`	`XenoX101`	`ah yeah`
`11:58.21`	`XenoX101`	`we sold ours cause it would cost too much to retune`
`11:58.25`	`XenoX101`	`and it was way off`
`11:58.31`	`XenoX101`	`actually not sold, got rid of`
`11:58.32`	`Agouti`	`bit sad`
`11:58.35`	`Agouti`	`yeah`
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`11:59.02`	`Agouti`	`plus lived out in the stix`
`11:59.07`	`Creation`	`Ugh... I need like 10 people to help me test out my TPS system to see if bnet can even support it`
`11:59.08`	`Agouti`	`so nobody nearby could tune them`
`11:59.13`	`Creation`	`can anyone help out?`
`11:59.20`	`Agouti`	`so little faith in bnet`
`11:59.30`	`Agouti`	`I would, but I'd just lag you all out ^__^`
`11:59.39`	`XenoX101`	`holy shit`
`11:59.44`	`XenoX101`	`this`
`11:59.48`	`XenoX101`	`actor idea`
`11:59.48`	`Creation`	`where does a guy find 10 people to help test at one time? :/`
`11:59.48`	`XenoX101`	`works`
`11:59.55`	`Agouti`	`NOWAI`
`12:00.00`	`XenoX101`	`remember the one I wrote a wall of text about?`
`12:00.06`	`Agouti`	`er`
`12:00.07`	`XenoX101`	`yeah it stacks the actor`
`12:00.09`	`Agouti`	`vaguely...`
`12:00.12`	`Agouti`	`oh cool`
`12:00.13`	`XenoX101`	`and then when the behaviour turns off`
`12:00.17`	`XenoX101`	`it kills all stacks`
`12:00.33`	`Creation`	`what do you mean stacks? like clones?`
`12:01.07`	`XenoX101`	`yeah`
`12:01.14`	`XenoX101`	`each consecutive fireball`
`12:01.18`	`XenoX101`	`adds a flame to the unit`
`12:01.22`	`Creation`	`so it has kind of a tracer feel to the unit moving?"`
`12:01.29`	`XenoX101`	`and then when the unit dies (the behaviour turns off), all of the flames burn out`
`12:01.36`	`Creation`	`nice`
`12:02.13`	`Creation`	`hows that zombie game coming A1win?`
`12:02.57`	`A1win`	`haven't been mapping for a few days`
`12:03.05`	`Creation`	`i hear ya`
`12:03.11`	`Creation`	`is it playable?`
`12:03.32`	`A1win`	`not really, zombie base AI isn't even done yet`
`12:03.43`	`Creation`	`<PROTECTED>`
`12:03.46`	`A1win`	`they can only chase you inside and outside, but not out of a building or into a building`
`12:04.04`	`A1win`	`that's maybe 50% more work with the AI`
`12:04.38`	`Creation`	`wouldnbt it just be as simple as changing a variable and unit location?`
`12:04.54`	`Creation`	`turning a series of AI on and off`
`12:05.04`	`A1win`	`well warping them in and out will be easy, but I need them to also know where they are going ;p`
`12:05.32`	`Creation`	`<PROTECTED>`
`12:05.52`	`A1win`	`and then when a building isn't spawned ie it's only in memory, the zombies need to use some pathing algorithm to move`
`12:06.01`	`A1win`	`that's the most work left`
`12:06.06`	`Creation`	`ah`
`12:06.14`	`Creation`	`yeah pathing can get tricky`
`12:07.08`	`A1win`	`and after the AI is done, there's not much to play yet anyway :P all you can do is walk around and try to not get caught by them`
`12:08.12`	`A1win`	`lots of stuff to do`
`12:08.20`	`Creation`	`yeh`
`12:08.34`	`Creation`	`im trying to make a fully functioning battlecruiser from the inside out i feel your pain`
`12:08.52`	`Creation`	`need to set up and engine, alternator, generator, core, flood system, lights`
`12:08.54`	`Creation`	`etc`
`12:10.05`	`A1win`	`:x`
`12:11.43`	`A1win`	`I guess I should do the hiding system after the AI is done since that's going to be the main way to stay alive when encountering a zombie`
`12:12.17`	`A1win`	`now it works pretty well with corners and such, if you manage to run long enough without the zombie seeing you, it forgets where you are`
`12:13.01`	`A1win`	`but the time is randomized so you can't know for sure, which makes running in a circle more dangerous since you could at any time run to the back of the zombie if it has stopped earlier than the max time needed :P`
`12:27.39`	`burne-`	`anyone up for testing my card game on EU=`
`12:27.40`	`burne-`	`?`
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`12:34.56`	`burne-`	`aww`
`12:35.01`	`burne-`	`nobody`
`12:35.02`	`burne-`	`:(`
`12:35.19`	`A1win`	`mappers are lazy testers :P`
`12:35.49`	`A1win`	`should have some channel where mappers and gamers could meet ;p`
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`12:36.36`	`doite`	`Hey guys!`
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`12:37.33`	`Agouti`	`hai doite!`
`12:38.20`	`burne-`	`well im quite happy anyway`
`12:38.25`	`doite`	`I have a wierd error ingame which i cant figure out! I want to have a region where when u enter you set a boolean varaible to true and if u leave u set it to false.. Now "WHILE" (action) true it modifies your ammo to +1 every 5 seconds`
`12:38.26`	`doite`	`Health Pool Bot Events Unit - Any Unit Enters Health pool bottom Local Variables Conditions "E" Ability Ammo[(Owner of (Triggering unit))] < 5 (Owner of (Triggering unit)) == 1 (Owner of (Triggering unit)) == 2 Actions Variable - Set Health Pool[(Owner of (Triggering unit))] = true General - While (Conditions) are true, do (Actions) Conditions`
`12:38.27`	`burne-`	`I think i fixed every bug there is in my map`
`12:38.30`	`doite`	`Sigh`
`12:38.30`	`doite`	`wait`
`12:38.35`	`burne-`	`just need to test them`
`12:38.42`	`Agouti`	`famous last word`
`12:38.43`	`Agouti`	`s`
`12:38.48`	`doite`	`http://paste.sc2mapster.com/3028/`
`12:38.49`	`doite`	`There`
`12:39.03`	`doite`	`I dont understand why it doesnt work`
`12:39.22`	`Agouti`	`I can see straight away`
`12:39.29`	`doite`	`??`
`12:39.30`	`Agouti`	`<PROTECTED>`
`12:39.31`	`Agouti`	`<PROTECTED>`
`12:39.31`	`Agouti`	`<PROTECTED>`
`12:39.31`	`Agouti`	`<PROTECTED>`
`12:39.35`	`Agouti`	`specificall`
`12:39.37`	`Agouti`	`y`
`12:39.38`	`doite`	`oh`
`12:39.43`	`doite`	`oooh`
`12:39.44`	`doite`	`lol`
`12:39.46`	`doite`	`its not or`
`12:39.53`	`burne-`	`its and`
`12:39.55`	`Agouti`	`nope ;)`
`12:40.05`	`doite`	`thanks man`
`12:40.06`	`Agouti`	`or, yes, it's and`
`12:40.08`	`Agouti`	`np`
`12:40.12`	`Agouti`	`so you want`
`12:40.18`	`Agouti`	`just an or around those 2`
`12:40.27`	`doite`	`i know, so stupid of me`
`12:40.30`	`doite`	`sorry to bother`
`12:40.37`	`Agouti`	`not stupid, just forgetful`
`12:40.40`	`Agouti`	`;)`
`12:40.46`	`Agouti`	`I do sillier stuff regularly`
`12:40.58`	`Agouti`	`like, leave units I was testing with in when I publis`
`12:41.08`	`Agouti`	`just lieing around`
`12:42.40`	`burne-`	`lol thats what I do also`
`12:42.49`	`burne-`	`among other things`
`12:43.22`	`burne-`	`I think I get too obsessed trying to fix all things and testing that I forgot to remove all silly stuff`
`12:43.31`	`Agouti`	`or the little trigger to give you a billion minerals and gas`
`12:43.35`	`Agouti`	`so you can est upgrades`
`12:43.46`	`Agouti`	`yuuup`
`12:43.50`	`Agouti`	`people laugh at me :(`
`12:44.04`	`burne-`	`last night I was so tired, but I couldnt go to sleep because I had to get one trigger working -_-`
`12:44.11`	`Agouti`	`o god`
`12:44.14`	`Agouti`	`done that before`
`12:44.27`	`Agouti`	`3am: nearly got it, aaarg`
`12:44.30`	`XenoX101_a`	`damnit I cant get this missile to keep going`
`12:44.32`	`Agouti`	`4am: WHY WON'T YOU WORK`
`12:44.44`	`Agouti`	`5am FINALLY, little bastard`
`12:44.56`	`Agouti`	`<PROTECTED>`
`12:44.58`	`Agouti`	`o noes`
`12:45.03`	`burne-`	`:)`
`12:45.11`	`XenoX101_a`	`lol`
`12:46.56`	`XenoX101_a`	`no really though, I've figured a way to make it blow up after a set duration`
`12:46.59`	`XenoX101_a`	`but thats about it`
`12:47.20`	`Agouti`	`xen: you mentioned using a actor even to swap the unit I wanted in`
`12:47.25`	`Agouti`	`but I cna only see model swap`
`12:47.28`	`Agouti`	`which wouldn't help`
`12:47.37`	`XenoX101_a`	`no as in`
`12:47.44`	`XenoX101_a`	`duplicate the actor you want`
`12:48.02`	`doite`	`Ok... The tanks special ability is to go into siege mode and recieve 5 ammo to shoot (its a third person shooter).. the zealot has a rechargable shield that he gains to 25 shield per sec for 4 sec x 5.. what should the marine have`
`12:48.02`	`XenoX101_a`	`and add an event of "unitbirth.Missileblahblah"`
`12:48.07`	`doite`	`Grenade?`
`12:48.30`	`XenoX101_a`	`too similar to the siege`
`12:48.58`	`Agouti`	`stim?`
`12:50.24`	`doite`	`stim..`
`12:50.28`	`doite`	`thats interesting`
`12:50.35`	`doite`	`and quite easy`
`12:50.48`	`doite`	`just to alter the movement speed and lower the cooldown between shots`
`12:51.15`	`doite`	`+ damage him alittle`
`12:52.08`	`doite`	`These btw are the borring heroes... im making a similar dota map but which the option to go inside the creeps that spawn and use it as a hero`
`12:52.17`	`doite`	`The heroes u can buy will be more exclusive`
`12:52.25`	`doite`	`so stim was a great idea, thanks`
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`13:02.08`	`doite`	`actually even in TPS mode the stim buff does almost all the work`
`13:02.23`	`doite`	`or atleast icon wise and the speed buff`
`13:02.28`	`doite`	`Doesnt alter hp though,,`
`13:02.34`	`Agouti`	`totally original idea btw diote`
`13:02.41`	`Agouti`	`in no way lifted from melee or campaign`
`13:02.41`	`doite`	`=)`
`13:02.54`	`doite`	`dont be jealous!`
`13:03.04`	`Agouti`	`:3`
`13:03.17`	`doite`	`as i said, its the borring heroes im making now`
`13:03.27`	`Agouti`	`good place to start`
`13:03.32`	`doite`	`yea`
`13:03.33`	`doite`	`=9`
`13:03.43`	`doite`	`Ill give a preview as soon as im done with this one`
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`13:05.57`	`XenoX101_a`	`lol, I just got an email with "You've got funds" in it`
`13:06.03`	`XenoX101_a`	`and immediately thought it was spam`
`13:06.24`	`XenoX101`	`it was actually my sneaker sale`
`13:06.40`	`XenoX101`	`sneakers*`
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`13:11.10`	`doite`	`<PROTECTED>`
`13:11.15`	`doite`	`That should work right?`
`13:11.39`	`doite`	`So it takes 15% of units maximum hp ever time a player uses ability`
`13:12.33`	`doite`	`no it wont..`
`13:12.40`	`doite`	`it will gain its hp when under 15%`
`13:13.22`	`doite`	`but id i choose life instaned of maximum life it will only be the procentage of the current hp`
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`13:13.44`	`doite`	`so if they have 100 hp it will be 85 hp after.. and if 50 hp it will only reduce to 43 hp`
`13:16.58`	`doite`	`This should do it...`
`13:16.59`	`doite`	`<PROTECTED>`
`13:17.24`	`doite`	`hmm`
`13:17.31`	`doite`	`no has to be * .15`
`13:17.41`	`doite`	`else it will reduce by 85% of`
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`13:20.06`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`wth is wrong with people.. Star Battle has got to be the worst map i've ever had the misfortune to play`
`13:20.13`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`:S`
`13:21.00`	`doite`	`Agree`
`13:21.05`	`doite`	`Seriously, i sooo agree`
`13:21.17`	`doite`	`Even worst is that survival map`
`13:21.22`	`doite`	`that is 100% bugged=)`
`13:21.25`	`doite`	`Love that one`
`13:21.31`	`doite`	`typ 5 i think it is`
`13:22.13`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`I was thinking, ok its popular so it cant be that bad`
`13:22.23`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`NOO`
`13:23.10`	`doite`	`=)`
`13:27.12`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`back to bnet.. rawr`
`13:28.35`	`Agouti`	`I'm having issues creating an ability which creates a missile`
`13:29.36`	`Agouti`	`Shawn: I enjoyed star battles :(`
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`13:36.24`	`doite`	`Ok marine done`
`13:36.39`	`doite`	`Now last hero in the spawning poo`
`13:36.39`	`doite`	`l`
`13:36.43`	`doite`	`hydralisk`
`13:36.48`	`doite`	`What ability... hmm`
`13:38.03`	`doite`	`agouti`
`13:38.06`	`doite`	`any ideas?`
`13:38.29`	`Agouti`	`poison/slow?`
`13:40.28`	`Creation`	`Can i get a few testers to see if bnet will support my TPS with multiple players?`
`13:40.40`	`Creation`	`please ill never ask for anything again`
`13:40.49`	`Creation`	`except for help with triggers`
`13:40.51`	`Creation`	`:D`
`13:41.09`	`Agouti`	`I'm just on my way to bed, I'm sorry`
`13:41.22`	`Creation`	`np`
`13:41.28`	`Agouti`	`try doite or Shawn\|Rawr or XenoX101`
`13:41.38`	`Creation`	`problem is i need like 8 people`
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`13:46.05`	`Obatztrara`	`yo`
`13:46.55`	`doite`	`sure creation`
`13:47.01`	`doite`	`making a third person mode myself`
`13:47.40`	`doite`	`well agouti poision .... though maybe poision but a damaging way!`
`13:47.42`	`doite`	`aha!`
`13:47.54`	`doite`	`like the one they have in marine arena`
`13:48.05`	`doite`	`area of gue that kills of units`
`13:48.09`	`doite`	`perfect, thanks`
`13:48.17`	`Agouti`	`was slow or poison :)`
`13:48.20`	`Agouti`	`glad it helped`
`13:48.54`	`doite`	`Creation what server u on?`
`13:49.20`	`Agouti`	`some more ideas for abilities before I go to bed: movement speed, attack speed, a stun/suppress movement, take extra damage or -armor, reduce vision range`
`13:49.31`	`burne-`	`obatzara`
`13:49.33`	`doite`	`stun is nice`
`13:49.37`	`Agouti`	`suppress energy regen`
`13:49.46`	`Agouti`	`what else do I use`
`13:49.47`	`Agouti`	`um`
`13:49.56`	`Agouti`	`silence`
`13:50.04`	`Agouti`	`(supress abilities)`
`13:50.07`	`doite`	`actually i have a gain on shield region ability for the zealot`
`13:50.26`	`doite`	`was easy and may be lame, but effectfull in a sheid person shooter`
`13:50.30`	`doite`	`AHA! new map idea`
`13:50.32`	`Agouti`	`I give up on this for today, though`
`13:50.45`	`doite`	`i should make a instance map .. like in world of warcraft`
`13:50.47`	`doite`	`ok gn`
`13:50.53`	`Agouti`	`trying to build a missile that has vision radius`
`13:51.13`	`Agouti`	`and couldn't get the silly thing to fire, doing something stupid somewhere I'm sure`
`13:51.15`	`doite`	`that should be a problem?`
`13:51.28`	`Agouti`	`well, not that`
`13:51.38`	`Agouti`	`not anythign really`
`13:51.44`	`doite`	`well go to bed, we can talk about it another day, and merry christmas!`
`13:51.46`	`burne-`	`anyone else wana come test my card game?`
`13:51.48`	`Agouti`	`I'm positive I'm just doing something silly`
`13:51.50`	`burne-`	`wouldnt mind few testers`
`13:51.51`	`Agouti`	`g'night`
`13:51.52`	`burne-`	`on EU`
`13:51.57`	`Agouti`	`merry christmas :)`
`13:52.03`	`doite`	`sure burne`
`13:52.15`	`burne-`	`add burne 478`
`13:52.20`	`Agouti`	`I'm NA/SEA anyway, couldn't of helped you regardless`
`13:55.02`	`Creation`	`sorry doite i was afk`
`13:55.06`	`Creation`	`you still there?`
`13:55.31`	`Creation`	`ah nm youre EU im US`
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`14:03.19`	`ducky`	`hey guys, anyone know if there's a way to modify units/models height from models fields or actor's events?`
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`14:06.27`	`XenoX101`	`lol I must be a little drunk, I forgot to attach an effect to a search area and kept asking myself WHY ISNT THIS WORKING`
`14:07.44`	`ducky`	`hm, is it a good idea to bump 4 months old topic to which noone replied because i have the same issue? :D`
`14:08.06`	`XenoX101`	`yes`
`14:08.15`	`XenoX101`	`better than starting a new one`
`14:08.43`	`ducky`	`thought so :D`
`14:09.42`	`ducky`	`hm, only 141 days old =p`
`14:10.18`	`XenoX101`	`heh`
`14:10.19`	`ducky`	`don't you dare to die now without noones reponse! http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/map-development/5897-unit-pathing-and-pathing-footprints/#p2`
`14:10.37`	`XenoX101`	`lol nice comment`
`14:11.26`	`XenoX101`	`nah but ideally everyone would do that so you could consider the amount of replies as a metric for the severity of the issue`
`14:11.41`	`XenoX101`	`the way it usually goes is everyone posts one hundred threads on the same issue`
`14:12.03`	`XenoX101`	`which are impossible to stifle through`
`14:12.24`	`XenoX101`	`and make it hard to tell which issues are more important`
`14:13.03`	`XenoX101`	`(this may be the wine talking)`
`14:14.20`	`Helral\|Work`	`XenoX101: Wine? Wine is not an Emulator?`
`14:14.21`	`ducky`	`they all are important :P it's just painfully sad to see threads with zero responses buried deep down where noone can find them`
`14:14.57`	`Helral\|Work`	`maybe I should spend some time in the trigger help forums again.`
`14:15.27`	`ducky`	`i'm sure many people would appreciate it`
`14:15.46`	`Helral\|Work`	`ducky what problem do you have btw? (ps no links, cause I won't open them at work)`
`14:15.52`	`XenoX101`	`yeah I guess so, but if everyone filed their issue under a relevant subheading it would be much easier to navigate`
`14:16.01`	`XenoX101`	`is my main point`
`14:16.04`	`ducky`	`hm`
`14:16.11`	`ducky`	`they're mostly data or so i think`
`14:16.39`	`ducky`	`first is "anyone know if there's a way to modify units/models height from models fields or actor's events?"`
`14:16.41`	`Helral\|Work`	`hmmm that will result in me remembering things wrong or not entirely correct, but might still be helpful ;p`
`14:16.54`	`Helral\|Work`	`you can scale the unit.`
`14:17.04`	`Helral\|Work`	`don't know about setting the height otherwise.`
`14:17.09`	`ducky`	`doesn't work, i want to hide bottom part of model`
`14:17.49`	`ducky`	`but that's not gamebreaking, i'll just use more triggers to get what i need:P`
`14:18.08`	`ducky`	`the other issue however..`
`14:18.33`	`Helral\|Work`	`the height might also be changeable with a different mover orso.`
`14:18.43`	`Helral\|Work`	`although I'm not entire certain of that.`
`14:19.32`	`Helral\|Work`	`you could always ask someone who models to cut the bit off that you don't want. and use the resulting custom model.`
`14:20.38`	`ducky`	`probably will, after i'll be done with system and everything i'll need alot of help from our artists`
`14:21.34`	`ducky`	`her's my other problem: when I remove footprint from building, units don't path around it, they just try to pass through it.. any way to make units path properly?`
`14:21.53`	`Helral\|Work`	`set the collision of the building and it's radius correctly.`
`14:22.05`	`Helral\|Work`	`hmmm`
`14:22.19`	`Helral\|Work`	`the problem is that the units don't see it as a blockade anymore.`
`14:22.22`	`Helral\|Work`	`hmmm`
`14:22.33`	`Helral\|Work`	`why woudl you want to remove the footprint?`
`14:22.35`	`Helral\|Work`	`would*`
`14:22.36`	`XenoX101`	`how in the shit is my 10 range search area spanning upwards of 20 range`
`14:22.43`	`ducky`	`i need to use different collision flags`
`14:23.03`	`Helral\|Work`	`XenoX101: is your unit radius 10?`
`14:23.23`	`Helral\|Work`	`XenoX101: check if your not expanding with unit radius ;p`
`14:23.35`	`Helral\|Work`	`XenoX101: or did you set range: 10, bonus range: 10`
`14:24.29`	`XenoX101`	`definitely not the latter`
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`14:24.50`	`Helral\|Work`	`ducky: why do you need the footprint to be removed?`
`14:24.56`	`XenoX101`	`sight radius is 11, does that matter?`
`14:25.02`	`ducky`	`<PROTECTED>`
`14:25.04`	`Helral\|Work`	`XenoX101: nope.`
`14:25.32`	`ducky`	`basicly it has no collision with one unit.`
`14:25.50`	`Helral\|Work`	`ducky: does that unit have collision with other units/stuff?`
`14:25.56`	`ducky`	`yes`
`14:26.00`	`XenoX101`	`then what in the frick`
`14:26.41`	`Helral\|Work`	`XenoX101: the unit - radius field is between 0-1 or is it 10?`
`14:26.57`	`Helral\|Work`	`or is it maybe your effect that has another search area.`
`14:27.04`	`XenoX101`	`there's only a movement radius`
`14:27.29`	`Helral\|Work`	`what triggers your searcharea?`
`14:27.39`	`XenoX101`	`behaviour periodic`
`14:28.06`	`Helral\|Work`	`hmmmm so the location for the searcharea should be the unit itself.`
`14:28.15`	`XenoX101`	`yes`
`14:28.26`	`Helral\|Work`	`hmmm`
`14:28.41`	`Helral\|Work`	`and the effect you use itself doesn't contain another search area which might cause the problem?`
`14:28.57`	`XenoX101`	`nope`
`14:29.01`	`XenoX101`	`I've simplified this completely`
`14:29.03`	`XenoX101`	`all it is is`
`14:29.08`	`XenoX101`	`a weapon`
`14:29.24`	`XenoX101`	`that applies a behaviour to the obelisk`
`14:29.40`	`XenoX101`	`that behaviour casts a periodic search area with damage effect`
`14:29.43`	`XenoX101`	`after 6 seconds`
`14:29.55`	`XenoX101`	`thats all`
`14:30.21`	`XenoX101`	`and the behaviour is being applied to the obelisk only`
`14:30.26`	`Helral\|Work`	`so the obelisk is the center point of the dmg area.`
`14:31.26`	`XenoX101`	`yes`
`14:32.47`	`Helral\|Work`	`and units at 20 range away from the obelisk get hurt?`
`14:33.13`	`XenoX101`	`yes, more even`
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`14:33.25`	`Helral\|Work`	`then how did you set the range on the search.`
`14:33.31`	`Helral\|Work`	`cause that seems to be set wrong.`
`14:33.40`	`XenoX101`	`radius 15`
`14:33.42`	`XenoX101`	`radius bonus 0`
`14:33.44`	`XenoX101`	`arc 360`
`14:33.49`	`XenoX101`	`maximum count 1`
`14:33.56`	`XenoX101`	`count 1`
`14:34.24`	`XenoX101`	`(count 1 in both the search and the effect)`
`14:34.32`	`Helral\|Work`	`I assume that radius/bonus/arc/max.count are search prefixed`
`14:34.59`	`Helral\|Work`	`so it only harms 1 unit inside the area.`
`14:36.14`	`Helral\|Work`	`hmmm.`
`14:36.38`	`XenoX101`	`wait hang on`
`14:36.40`	`XenoX101`	`ok`
`14:36.41`	`XenoX101`	`this is funny`
`14:36.44`	`XenoX101`	`too funny`
`14:36.46`	`Helral\|Work`	`what?`
`14:36.57`	`XenoX101`	`I had my impact location`
`14:36.58`	`XenoX101`	`for the damage`
`14:37.04`	`XenoX101`	`still set to link back to the behaviour`
`14:37.11`	`XenoX101`	`err`
`14:37.14`	`XenoX101`	`the apply behaviour`
`14:37.15`	`XenoX101`	`effect`
`14:37.18`	`Helral\|Work`	`ahhh lol`
`14:37.19`	`XenoX101`	`which was originally on the unit`
`14:37.30`	`XenoX101`	`cause it was applying behaviour to caster from the unit it was targetting`
`14:37.38`	`XenoX101`	`it was a weird way I did it`
`14:38.21`	`Helral\|Work`	`ah well.`
`14:38.25`	`XenoX101`	`lets see if this works`
`14:39.05`	`Helral\|Work`	`ducky: did I answer your question yet? I kinda forgot if I did ;p or what your question was if I didnt ;p`
`14:39.34`	`ducky`	`helral nope`
`14:39.43`	`XenoX101`	`ok now it works, but I have a very odd issue as well`
`14:40.17`	`XenoX101`	`for some reason, there seems to be a certain point on the map where the obelisk will trigger`
`14:40.18`	`ducky`	`i'm beginning to fear that it cannot be answered without implementing something like custom pathing algorithm which would be madness`
`14:40.20`	`XenoX101`	`which is outside of its range`
`14:40.30`	`XenoX101`	`like while I walk around, outside of its range`
`14:40.33`	`XenoX101`	`it might start charging`
`14:40.35`	`XenoX101`	`out of nowhere`
`14:40.56`	`XenoX101`	`it won't finish`
`14:41.01`	`XenoX101`	`but still`
`14:41.01`	`Helral\|Work`	`ducky: well to have just 1 unit go through it and the rest around would be giving the one that goes through it a different mover.`
`14:42.04`	`Helral\|Work`	`XenoX101: hmmmm then maybe your charge start targeting is set wrong.`
`14:43.01`	`XenoX101`	`lol I had some markers randomly set`
`14:43.06`	`Helral\|Work`	`hehehe`
`14:43.07`	`XenoX101`	`see if removing them fixes it`
`14:43.12`	`ducky`	`Helral : :O do you have any experience working with movers?`
`14:43.45`	`Helral\|Work`	`ducky: sadly not. but I know that forexample the reaper and colossi have different movers then the marine and zealot.`
`14:43.55`	`Helral\|Work`	`because 1 can go over cliffs and the others cant`
`14:44.02`	`Helral\|Work`	`your case is just like that.`
`14:44.09`	`Helral\|Work`	`only then with a certain structure.`
`14:44.24`	`ducky`	`i guess i'll invent some time in looking through movers :D, thanks`
`14:45.01`	`Helral\|Work`	`if it is mover exactly or something else I don't know. but it was something at the movement fields. (I think movers)`
`14:45.07`	`burne-`	`Im a bit dissapointed my card game wasnt 100% bug free`
`14:45.17`	`Helral\|Work`	`did you have zerglings in it?`
`14:45.18`	`doite`	`I liked it!`
`14:45.35`	`burne-`	`I wish I could get the multiplayer/computer support working`
`14:45.41`	`XenoX101`	`ducky, I know what you can do`
`14:45.53`	`XenoX101`	`set a region around structures, slightly larger than the structure`
`14:45.53`	`doite`	`Burne`
`14:45.59`	`doite`	`Whats the winning condition?`
`14:46.00`	`XenoX101`	`and set the mover within that region to flying`
`14:46.19`	`burne-`	`opponents base get destroyed`
`14:46.40`	`Helral\|Work`	`burne-: hope it isn't like Clord's ;p`
`14:46.59`	`doite`	`Yea but i mean victory condition`
`14:47.01`	`burne-`	`clords? as the card game? or?`
`14:47.06`	`doite`	`When do u "Player 1 has one"`
`14:47.25`	`doite`	`won`
`14:47.26`	`doite`	`Ã`
`14:47.28`	`Helral\|Work`	`yeah ;p you were talking bout a cardgame weren't ya ;p`
`14:47.30`	`ducky`	`XenoX101 i thought it was impossible to change mover ingame?`
`14:47.38`	`burne-`	`I dont really understand doite, you mean how do I detect when base is destroyed?`
`14:47.46`	`XenoX101`	`ducky: no it isn't, I did it for my 'dash attack'`
`14:47.50`	`burne-`	`My card game is quite different`
`14:47.56`	`Helral\|Work`	`nice :)`
`14:47.59`	`doite`	`Nono, i understand u dual, then u get back to base and u can change cards`
`14:48.00`	`XenoX101`	`actually you'll probably want to change the radius, since that affects it more than the mover`
`14:48.03`	`doite`	`but when is it over`
`14:48.04`	`burne-`	`and its 1v1 for now (ill add team play later)`
`14:48.07`	`doite`	`first to win 10 duals?`
`14:48.27`	`burne-`	`there is no such thing`
`14:48.34`	`burne-`	`you can play as long as you like ;/`
`14:48.36`	`XenoX101`	`<PROTECTED>`
`14:48.36`	`XenoX101`	`<PROTECTED>`
`14:48.37`	`doite`	`SO its forever?`
`14:48.39`	`burne-`	`yea`
`14:48.44`	`doite`	`Hmm burne, be careful about htat`
`14:48.49`	`doite`	`It will never come up in the list`
`14:48.55`	`burne-`	`I know :/`
`14:48.57`	`doite`	`PPl will stay in the current game`
`14:49.11`	`doite`	`Therefor i think u should make somekind of winning condition so they have to restart it`
`14:49.12`	`burne-`	`maybe I will add a 2-3 game limit/game, it sounds lame to do that`
`14:49.14`	`ducky`	`Thanks XenoX101 i'll try what you suggested`
`14:49.14`	`burne-`	`but dunno`
`14:49.22`	`Helral\|Work`	`doite: they changed the pop system or will change it.`
`14:49.27`	`doite`	`What about first to win 10 games?`
`14:49.32`	`Helral\|Work`	`so that it does take into account the duration of the map.`
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`14:49.40`	`burne-`	`doite that would take forever`
`14:49.48`	`doite`	`ok first to win 3?`
`14:49.49`	`doite`	`<PROTECTED>`
`14:49.50`	`XenoX101`	`you know Helral, it is more difficult than it should be for me to have deleted what would have been hours of data editing in favour of a simpler solution`
`14:49.50`	`burne-`	`and there will be 6 players max`
`14:49.54`	`burne-`	`so how do you dothat?`
`14:50.09`	`XenoX101`	`I have to do it of course, it is much easier and better this way`
`14:50.11`	`burne-`	`when you win 5 games or lose 5 you get win/defeat?=`
`14:50.14`	`Helral\|Work`	`XenoX101: just remake it easier.`
`14:50.15`	`XenoX101`	`but all that work gone to waste :(`
`14:50.25`	`XenoX101`	`its just a sentiment`
`14:50.43`	`Helral\|Work`	`thinks XenoX101 has an unneeded emotion.`
`14:50.43`	`XenoX101`	`an emotional one`
`14:50.49`	`doite`	`If player wins -> integer +1.. if player reaches integer = 3 -> Victory for triggering player`
`14:50.50`	`Helral\|Work`	`:P`
`14:50.52`	`doite`	`Defeat for rest`
`14:50.58`	`XenoX101`	`yes it is unneeded fo rsure`
`14:51.01`	`XenoX101`	`for sure*`
`14:51.05`	`burne-`	`even if they are playing meanwhile? :D`
`14:51.09`	`XenoX101`	`I'm just worried that I might be more reluctant in the future to simplify things`
`14:51.16`	`burne-`	`dueluing and you get defeat message while playing :D`
`14:51.16`	`doite`	`Dont know burne dont know =)`
`14:51.17`	`XenoX101`	`because I'll be like "No! I spent hours doing it -this- way!"`
`14:51.26`	`XenoX101`	`being more proud of my work than I am of the solution`
`14:51.34`	`XenoX101`	`err, consequence`
`14:51.42`	`Helral\|Work`	`XenoX101: look at it this way - making it all simpler will make it possible to do more stuff at the same time :)`
`14:51.58`	`XenoX101`	`thats true`
`14:51.59`	`doite`	`Its just a fun map, and i wouldnt want it to not be played due to the forever gameplay -> not gaining popularity`
`14:52.10`	`burne-`	`I guess so`
`14:52.23`	`burne-`	`alltought 1.2 will change popularity`
`14:52.32`	`XenoX101`	`its so weird though, to have some kind of attachment with a piece of code`
`14:52.34`	`burne-`	`so it doesnt matter if it gets played forever`
`14:52.42`	`doite`	`NOW... what did i decide concerning the ability for the hydralisk...`
`14:52.45`	`doite`	`Poision!`
`14:52.55`	`XenoX101`	`I guess it really shows that it doesn't matter what you are working on, as long you put some effort into it it will suck to destroy it`
`14:53.07`	`Helral\|Work`	`has no attachments with pieces of code but his RDM-generation code is very very very very very very nice.`
`14:53.19`	`XenoX101`	`lol, rdm?`
`14:53.25`	`Helral\|Work`	`random dungeon map.`
`14:53.29`	`XenoX101`	`oh nice`
`14:53.32`	`XenoX101`	`like bibendus'?`
`14:53.32`	`Helral\|Work`	`you must have seen it ;p`
`14:53.40`	`XenoX101`	`nope`
`14:53.43`	`Helral\|Work`	`mine is older ;p`
`14:53.48`	`XenoX101`	`I see`
`14:53.56`	`Helral\|Work`	`look for Helral's random dungeon map on sc2mapster.`
`14:54.35`	`Helral\|Work`	`I've started working on it 6 months ago, had the generator done in 2-4 weeks and then I just went on with expanding and expanding and .....`
`14:54.46`	`XenoX101`	`brb trying it`
`14:54.51`	`Skizot`	`helral`
`14:55.00`	`Skizot`	`thanks for the cryptic as fuck message :P`
`14:55.55`	`XenoX101`	`nice language o.o`
`14:56.32`	`Skizot`	`it could be worse.`
`14:56.48`	`XenoX101`	`I can imagine ;p`
`14:57.21`	`doite`	`haha..`
`14:57.53`	`Helral\|Work`	`hmmmm`
`14:58.03`	`Helral\|Work`	`Skizot: was it that cryptic?`
`14:58.13`	`doite`	`(no)`
`14:58.39`	`Helral\|Work`	`the one about setting the unit - movement radius to 0.4 orso and set the collision flag?`
`14:59.15`	`Skizot`	`does that affect 2 player?`
`14:59.37`	`Helral\|Work`	`you want the players to walk through eachother?`
`14:59.41`	`Skizot`	`will the units collide with each other?`
`14:59.44`	`Skizot`	`yeah`
`14:59.47`	`Helral\|Work`	`hmmmm`
`15:00.05`	`Helral\|Work`	`think you'd need the borrowed collision then.`
`15:00.39`	`Helral\|Work`	`if I remember correct burrowed units don't collide with units that don't have the burrowed flag.`
`15:01.51`	`JManV\|Work`	`i wish we could make custom fields in the data editor`
`15:02.25`	`JManV\|Work`	`units don't collide if they don't have footprints, or if you set their radii really low`
`15:02.33`	`Skizot`	`i'n updating the map atm`
`15:02.39`	`Skizot`	`i did some work on it...`
`15:02.50`	`Skizot`	`right click one time XD`
`15:03.35`	`Helral\|Work`	`JManV\|Work: that's and not or.`
`15:04.23`	`JManV\|Work`	`is it?`
`15:04.34`	`Helral\|Work`	`an unit with no movement radius but with a footprint does collide. an unit with a movement radius and no footprint also collides. ;p`
`15:04.35`	`JManV\|Work`	`i actually had the reverse problem once`
`15:04.53`	`JManV\|Work`	`i was goofing off with flying command centers, and i wanted them to collide with each other`
`15:05.06`	`Helral\|Work`	`flying mover acts a bit different ;p`
`15:05.12`	`JManV\|Work`	`ah`
`15:05.27`	`Helral\|Work`	`cause you can bunch up a group of muta's together and then fly into a base.`
`15:05.41`	`Helral\|Work`	`when they've stopped moving they start acting to the collision.`
`15:08.37`	`JManV\|Work`	`i eventually got them to collide, don't remember how`
`15:08.50`	`Helral\|Work`	`btw did you notice that probes/scv/drones that are set to gather will ignore collision.`
`15:08.54`	`JManV\|Work`	`but i couldn't really tell who hit who and how hard... which is what i really wanted`
`15:09.09`	`JManV\|Work`	`they won't collide with a photon cannon`
`15:09.23`	`Helral\|Work`	`well they don't ignore footprints.`
`15:09.26`	`JManV\|Work`	`er, will`
`15:09.27`	`Helral\|Work`	`but they do ignore units.`
`15:09.30`	`JManV\|Work`	`ah`
`15:09.35`	`JManV\|Work`	`yeah`
`15:09.45`	`JManV\|Work`	`cuz you could just warp in a bunch of stalkers on the line`
`15:09.56`	`Helral\|Work`	`if you have an army blocking your entrance, and probes mining outside. the army doesn't get pushed aside.`
`15:10.34`	`JManV\|Work`	`what lunacy!`
`15:11.19`	`Helral\|Work`	`the probes just go straight through the army.`
`15:11.36`	`Helral\|Work`	`you can even have a ball of probes stack on eachother.`
`15:12.31`	`Helral\|Work`	`as long as they're on the way to mine something.`
`15:12.56`	`JManV\|Work`	`and then when they stop, they turn into that shape we all know to well`
`15:13.02`	`JManV\|Work`	`the large mass of idle probes`
`15:13.06`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Ashamed (20616e40@gateway/web/freenode/ip.32.97.110.64)`
`15:13.07`	`Helral\|Work`	`:P`
`15:13.19`	`JManV\|Work`	`mineral field depleted`
`15:13.27`	`XenoX101`	`ok so I don't quite understand how your dungeon generator works`
`15:13.30`	`XenoX101`	`but damn that is impressive`
`15:13.36`	`Helral\|Work`	`the funniest achiev I gained so far with terran: the high-min. mineout.`
`15:13.47`	`JManV\|Work`	`i have that one two`
`15:13.48`	`XenoX101`	`a lot less code then I imagined`
`15:13.52`	`Helral\|Work`	`mules are made for that ;p`
`15:14.00`	`Helral\|Work`	`hehehe`
`15:14.02`	`JManV\|Work`	`i actually completely mined out 3 gold expos one game`
`15:14.04`	`JManV\|Work`	`as protoss`
`15:14.11`	`JManV\|Work`	`we drained the map entirely`
`15:14.21`	`Ashamed`	`gm0rn`
`15:14.21`	`JManV\|Work`	`those games are always crazy`
`15:14.26`	`XenoX101`	`isn't it funny that 'protoss' starts with 'pro'?`
`15:14.35`	`JManV\|Work`	`it turns nuts when there's no more resources on the map`
`15:14.44`	`XenoX101`	`ya`
`15:14.46`	`Helral\|Work`	`XenoX101: basicly I create a start area, then I add corridors, then I add more rooms and corridors until I've done X loops.`
`15:15.12`	`Helral\|Work`	`and then I place the units that walk through the dungeon, the exit and other stuff.`
`15:15.15`	`JManV\|Work`	`but we won`
`15:15.16`	`XenoX101`	`I see`
`15:15.30`	`JManV\|Work`	`mostly because i drained 3 gold expos`
`15:15.33`	`Helral\|Work`	`and finally I place the starting units at the begin area. ;p`
`15:15.55`	`JManV\|Work`	`it was that 4v4 map with 4 golds in the center`
`15:16.02`	`Helral\|Work`	`hmmm never played 4v4`
`15:16.03`	`XenoX101`	`yeah`
`15:16.19`	`XenoX101`	`but how did you think up the code for this`
`15:16.21`	`JManV\|Work`	`no? i love me some 4v4s`
`15:16.35`	`XenoX101`	`it ought to have taken forever to think about how that would work`
`15:16.35`	`Helral\|Work`	`for me it was a 2v2 match with the 2 nat expo's within the barricadable area.`
`15:16.45`	`Helral\|Work`	`XenoX101: not really all that long.`
`15:16.49`	`JManV\|Work`	`i like that map`
`15:17.03`	`XenoX101`	`do you do programming for a living or something?`
`15:17.03`	`JManV\|Work`	`had a crazy 2v2 on that one too where we drained the map`
`15:17.11`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Skizot (~skizot@226-187.200-68.tampabay.res.rr.com)`
`15:17.13`	`JManV\|Work`	`all except the 2 expos in the middle for our opponent`
`15:17.14`	`Helral\|Work`	`and 1 gold expo just outside that area on each side.`
`15:17.22`	`JManV\|Work`	`we never let them hold those for long`
`15:17.33`	`JManV\|Work`	`and finally they gave up`
`15:17.37`	`JManV\|Work`	`it was real close tho`
`15:18.00`	`XenoX101`	`hm`
`15:18.03`	`XenoX101`	`tempting me to go play a game`
`15:18.06`	`XenoX101`	`I know I'll lose though`
`15:18.06`	`Helral\|Work`	`well funniest match I had so far was that we prevented them from expanding, but we never saw much of an army from them.`
`15:18.07`	`JManV\|Work`	`literally i killed his last few units with just a few stalkers and he gave up`
`15:18.20`	`Helral\|Work`	`at one point I decided to send in my muta army.`
`15:18.21`	`JManV\|Work`	`bad micro and i could have lost entirely`
`15:18.38`	`Helral\|Work`	`and I discovered that they didn't have anything that could be called an army`
`15:18.56`	`JManV\|Work`	`heh`
`15:19.15`	`Helral\|Work`	`ow funny 1v1 match. I ran past his army with zerglings and banelings and ran straight into his base. ;p`
`15:19.18`	`JManV\|Work`	`i played a game yesterday, where someone flopped on a cannon rush, and didn't get the least number of points`
`15:19.28`	`Helral\|Work`	`lol`
`15:19.29`	`JManV\|Work`	`so i watched to see how bad that player was`
`15:19.34`	`JManV\|Work`	`really bad`
`15:19.42`	`JManV\|Work`	`he built a gateway on 7 supply`
`15:19.44`	`JManV\|Work`	`who does that?`
`15:19.50`	`Helral\|Work`	`he's prolly used to zerg.`
`15:20.04`	`JManV\|Work`	`then he forgot to build units out of it`
`15:20.10`	`Helral\|Work`	`:P`
`15:20.12`	`JManV\|Work`	`then he queued 2 zealots at like 12 supply`
`15:20.18`	`XenoX101`	`what leagues are you guys in? if you don't mind me asking`
`15:20.23`	`JManV\|Work`	`and dropped a second gate at like 19`
`15:20.34`	`JManV\|Work`	`i was also 2-gating`
`15:20.35`	`*** join/#sc2mapster La0fer (~Laofers1@64.120.233.114)`
`15:20.44`	`JManV\|Work`	`i had a second gate running when he dropped his second`
`15:20.50`	`JManV\|Work`	`and 3 zealots to his 2`
`15:20.53`	`Helral\|Work`	`I'm plat (1v1), silver(2v2 team), gold(2v2 solo), bronze(3v3 team)`
`15:21.09`	`JManV\|Work`	`yeah i'm all over the board too`
`15:21.09`	`XenoX101`	`nice`
`15:21.25`	`JManV\|Work`	`gold 1v1, diamon 3v3, gold 4v4`
`15:21.28`	`Helral\|Work`	`only plat cause I was unlucky at 1 of my placement matches.`
`15:21.32`	`JManV\|Work`	`i think i'm silver 2v2, but i never play`
`15:21.35`	`Helral\|Work`	`my screen was black.`
`15:21.41`	`XenoX101`	`lol`
`15:22.02`	`JManV\|Work`	`i think i'm actually like 7:5 in 2v2 or something like that`
`15:22.07`	`Helral\|Work`	`else I'd be in diamond.`
`15:22.16`	`Helral\|Work`	`but my playstyle is that of silver/gold.`
`15:22.25`	`XenoX101`	`ya`
`15:22.30`	`JManV\|Work`	`i think as off this morning i'm 302:302 in 4v4`
`15:22.49`	`Helral\|Work`	`seems like you're def. gold`
`15:22.50`	`JManV\|Work`	`no that's high`
`15:22.52`	`Helral\|Work`	`for 4v4`
`15:23.05`	`JManV\|Work`	`i want out`
`15:23.09`	`JManV\|Work`	`gold sucks`
`15:23.09`	`Helral\|Work`	`if you're scoring 50% then you're in the correct league.`
`15:23.11`	`*** join/#sc2mapster anteevy (~anteevy@dslb-094-218-178-147.pools.arcor-ip.net)`
`15:23.22`	`XenoX101`	`yeah I'm silver at the moment, and not getting out any time soon thanks to a laptop I was using at my mum's`
`15:23.23`	`JManV\|Work`	`i see the players in this league, i don't belong`
`15:23.31`	`XenoX101`	`couldn't play to save my life on that thing`
`15:23.36`	`JManV\|Work`	`but when you play random 4v4`
`15:23.43`	`Helral\|Work`	`my score at plat is 25% orso. and I still didn't get demoted cause I win vs silver/bronze.`
`15:23.46`	`JManV\|Work`	`you win 50% of the time pretty much no matter what`
`15:23.54`	`JManV\|Work`	`which is kind of the downfall`
`15:24.13`	`XenoX101`	`the thing is, if you are losing against diamond players but still maintain 50%`
`15:24.23`	`XenoX101`	`it shouldn't consider that grounds to keep you in gold`
`15:24.33`	`Helral\|Work`	`btw I get matched up vs almost only bronze/silver while in plat.`
`15:24.51`	`JManV\|Work`	`the problem is tho, i'm only 1/8th of the equation`
`15:24.56`	`XenoX101`	`ya`
`15:25.03`	`JManV\|Work`	`so unless i have a really good or really bad game...`
`15:25.13`	`JManV\|Work`	`it's prolly gonna play out about the same no matter what`
`15:25.15`	`Helral\|Work`	`I had quite a good game with 3v3 once.`
`15:25.22`	`JManV\|Work`	`although i do end a lot of games at the top of the list`
`15:25.27`	`Helral\|Work`	`4 ghosts nuking a zerg base.`
`15:25.34`	`JManV\|Work`	`i'm actaully better at 3v3 than 4v4 for some reason`
`15:25.38`	`JManV\|Work`	`i think it's the maps`
`15:25.44`	`JManV\|Work`	`easier to help your allies`
`15:25.53`	`JManV\|Work`	`4v4 maps are all isolated bases`
`15:26.05`	`Helral\|Work`	`so easier to gank players.`
`15:26.11`	`JManV\|Work`	`exactly`
`15:26.12`	`XenoX101`	`isn't 4v4 somewhat of a clusterfuck?`
`15:26.22`	`XenoX101`	`if you'll excuse my french`
`15:26.23`	`Helral\|Work`	`I like those maps where you start near eachother.`
`15:26.27`	`JManV\|Work`	`and if one of your allies dies without really putting up a fight, there's not much 3 other players can do`
`15:26.41`	`JManV\|Work`	`it can be`
`15:26.55`	`JManV\|Work`	`but it doesn't have a fixed metagame like 1v1 does`
`15:26.57`	`JManV\|Work`	`or even 2v2`
`15:26.59`	`Helral\|Work`	`if you saw some of my 2v2 replays you'd find them hilarious.`
`15:27.05`	`JManV\|Work`	`the metagame has more variation`
`15:27.13`	`XenoX101`	`what do you mean by metagame`
`15:27.32`	`JManV\|Work`	`PvP isn't always the same for example`
`15:27.38`	`Helral\|Work`	`me building an expo somewhere and contruct the new building at the expo. then getting my main base destroyed, and still winning.`
`15:27.41`	`XenoX101`	`ah yeah`
`15:27.51`	`JManV\|Work`	`certain statergies are more viable in 4v4`
`15:27.58`	`JManV\|Work`	`that would never be viable in 1v1`
`15:28.05`	`XenoX101`	`yeah`
`15:28.19`	`Helral\|Work`	`1v1 with zerg I always do a 10pool zergling rush`
`15:28.47`	`JManV\|Work`	`i don't play much 1v1`
`15:28.50`	`JManV\|Work`	`too intense`
`15:28.53`	`XenoX101`	`lol`
`15:28.56`	`XenoX101`	`it is intense`
`15:28.58`	`Helral\|Work`	`wll I basicly always do a 10pool zergling rush.`
`15:29.03`	`XenoX101`	`thats kinda what I love about it though`
`15:29.08`	`Helral\|Work`	`no matter what matchup.`
`15:29.19`	`JManV\|Work`	`like, in 1v1 i would do the normal gate, cyber, 3-4 gates, robo, whatever`
`15:29.27`	`JManV\|Work`	`4v4, i always open with 2 gates`
`15:29.35`	`JManV\|Work`	`cuz there's so much more early pressure`
`15:29.36`	`XenoX101`	`but you know it gets less intense when you see what they are doing`
`15:29.42`	`Helral\|Work`	`if I find a blockaded base then I'll see what my partner is doing if I have any.`
`15:29.53`	`XenoX101`	`you can almost judge a game by the first few minutes`
`15:30.10`	`XenoX101`	`whether they are microing properly, getting units to suit yours`
`15:30.14`	`JManV\|Work`	`one of the last games i played 1v1, i saw a blockade and used it as a chance to expand all over the map`
`15:30.24`	`Helral\|Work`	`at 3v3 I once went with toss for pylon, forge, pylon photon cannon defense.`
`15:30.42`	`XenoX101`	`ya`
`15:30.58`	`XenoX101`	`if I'm protoss and I see multiple tech labs and my opponent has seen my single gate`
`15:31.03`	`JManV\|Work`	`i'm not a fan of cannons`
`15:31.04`	`XenoX101`	`I know they're not the best`
`15:31.10`	`Helral\|Work`	`one of my teammates wanted to go tech, so I blocked that persons ramp with photon cannons.`
`15:31.13`	`JManV\|Work`	`although i've been dropping them more lately when i move out`
`15:31.22`	`Helral\|Work`	`funniest bit is that the opponents tried to cannon cheese.`
`15:31.42`	`JManV\|Work`	`i especially hate cannnon cheese`
`15:31.50`	`Helral\|Work`	`I'm not that bothered with it.`
`15:31.54`	`JManV\|Work`	`it's so not fun`
`15:31.56`	`Helral\|Work`	`I sometimes actually do it myself ;p`
`15:31.59`	`JManV\|Work`	`make units ffs`
`15:32.00`	`XenoX101`	`there's a good way to counter it though`
`15:32.06`	`XenoX101`	`that I haven't read about`
`15:32.09`	`Helral\|Work`	`but more like blocking a few yards outside their base.`
`15:32.12`	`JManV\|Work`	`scout it?`
`15:32.15`	`XenoX101`	`no`
`15:32.17`	`XenoX101`	`you block your entry`
`15:32.17`	`JManV\|Work`	`counterd`
`15:32.19`	`XenoX101`	`kill their probe`
`15:32.20`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Shawn\|Rawr (~chatzilla@ip70-170-34-31.lv.lv.cox.net)`
`15:32.26`	`XenoX101`	`they won't be able to send another one in`
`15:32.27`	`JManV\|Work`	`yeah, that's what i normally do`
`15:32.31`	`ducky`	`hey Helral & XenoX101, just wanted to thank you again for help with my pathing problem, custom mover did the trick and everything works as expected now.`
`15:32.35`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`progammer is so lazy`
`15:32.39`	`Helral\|Work`	`I once won that because I was terran.`
`15:32.42`	`XenoX101`	`no probs, glad I could help :)`
`15:32.51`	`JManV\|Work`	`blocking off also lets you know if he tries to sneak one in early`
`15:32.57`	`Helral\|Work`	`photon cannon cheese, I lift off land at another mining area.`
`15:32.58`	`JManV\|Work`	`since you see your whole entrance`
`15:33.07`	`Helral\|Work`	`and continue what I was doing.`
`15:33.10`	`XenoX101`	`yeah I usually build pylon at entrance`
`15:33.14`	`XenoX101`	`and check minimap like a hawk`
`15:33.19`	`JManV\|Work`	`if they are actually successful, i'll grab another base`
`15:33.29`	`JManV\|Work`	`as soon as that first cannon starts firing`
`15:33.37`	`XenoX101`	`and if you are vs. protoss with a relatively close distance between bases`
`15:33.40`	`Helral\|Work`	`that fella kept trying the photon cannon cheese, I had 1 scv building my barracks at another location.`
`15:33.40`	`JManV\|Work`	`no sense trying to fight it at that point`
`15:34.00`	`XenoX101`	`yeah cannon rush doesnt work against zerg or terran though`
`15:34.02`	`XenoX101`	`only pvp really`
`15:34.06`	`XenoX101`	`terran you just move out`
`15:34.06`	`Helral\|Work`	`and send a mass marine army into his base where he didn't have any defenses cause he spend all his cash on the photon cannons.`
`15:34.24`	`JManV\|Work`	`i saw HuK cannon rush zerg yesterday`
`15:34.24`	`XenoX101`	`zerg they cant build on creep and you can get spore colony up pronto`
`15:34.29`	`JManV\|Work`	`he did it to stop the FE`
`15:34.42`	`JManV\|Work`	`he dropped 2 cannons with a nearly dead probe`
`15:34.44`	`XenoX101`	`err, spine crawler*`
`15:34.49`	`JManV\|Work`	`then got another one in just in time`
`15:35.03`	`JManV\|Work`	`he had the pylon done before the expo`
`15:35.10`	`JManV\|Work`	`he didn't cannon the main`
`15:35.13`	`JManV\|Work`	`just the FE`
`15:35.19`	`XenoX101`	`heh`
`15:35.25`	`JManV\|Work`	`but that zerg never got that expo`
`15:35.42`	`JManV\|Work`	`its was awesome actually`
`15:35.47`	`Helral\|Work`	`you know the 2v2 map where you can lock yourself in but you can also block your team in. (depending on where you build)`
`15:35.58`	`JManV\|Work`	`he saw the FE, and i didn't think he'd be able to stop it`
`15:36.10`	`JManV\|Work`	`but he just calmly dropped a pylon behind the minerals`
`15:36.14`	`Helral\|Work`	`with the ramp down to the shared nat exps. and a ramp up from there to the enemies.`
`15:36.32`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`The red one?`
`15:37.14`	`*** join/#sc2mapster burne- (d9186c26@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.24.108.38)`
`15:37.25`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`mornin burne-`
`15:37.35`	`Helral\|Work`	`possibly, the one with the 2 golds in the middle`
`15:37.37`	`burne-`	`mornin`
`15:37.46`	`JManV\|Work`	`what is huk playing now?`
`15:37.55`	`Helral\|Work`	`I once locked a team in there with photon cannons.`
`15:37.57`	`JManV\|Work`	`looks like a custom map`
`15:38.13`	`Shawn\|Rawr`	`Ya thats the one.Scorched Haven`
`15:38.37`	`JManV\|Work`	`no, that's some other game`
`15:38.40`	`doite`	`Sigh... finally all christmas presents are rapped, now i just need to think of some rhymes`
`15:38.42`	`Helral\|Work`	`also fun is to expand really close to the enemy base.`
`15:38.52`	`doite`	`PS: Not hip hop rhymes :(`
`15:38.54`	`Helral\|Work`	`rap rhymes?`
`15:38.58`	`doite`	`NO!`
`15:39.01`	`Helral\|Work`	`lol`
`15:39.01`	`JManV\|Work`	`HuK's not allowed to play another game!`
`15:39.21`	`doite`	`I knew that "PS:" Would come in handy while your present helral`
`15:39.22`	`doite`	`=)`
`15:39.38`	`Helral\|Work`	`well you made a typo with wrapping ;p`
`15:39.46`	`doite`	`oooh`
`15:39.47`	`Helral\|Work`	`with wrapped even*`
`15:39.49`	`doite`	`ooh lol`
`15:39.49`	`doite`	`haha`
`15:39.56`	`Helral\|Work`	`:P`
`15:40.15`	`Helral\|Work`	`you got rapped x-mas presents. so they should get rap-rhymes.`
`15:40.31`	`ducky`	`hey, i've got another problem :D, i can't seem to be able to lower units height with trigger. I can rise unit, but not lower? whats going on?`
`15:40.58`	`Helral\|Work`	`the mover prolly prevents it.`
`15:41.55`	`ducky`	`harr, movers..`
`15:44.07`	`JManV\|Work`	`oh, he's playing CoH`
`15:44.50`	`JManV\|Work`	`never played that`
`15:48.39`	`XenoX101`	`hm, why is my dark probe model not working all of a sudden`
`15:49.07`	`JManV\|Work`	`dark probes are awesome`
`15:49.19`	`JManV\|Work`	`what's the problem?`
`15:49.25`	`XenoX101`	`its showing up the sphere`
`15:49.45`	`XenoX101`	`in previewer too`
`15:50.02`	`XenoX101`	`all I did was delete some melee initalization triggers`
`15:50.26`	`XenoX101`	`and played with the build ability`
`15:50.43`	`XenoX101`	`ok now its working`
`15:50.46`	`XenoX101`	`I just reloaded the map`
`15:50.46`	`XenoX101`	`odd`
`15:50.53`	`ducky`	`it happens sometimes`
`15:52.53`	`XenoX101`	`hm, the build icon isn't there`
`15:53.09`	`JManV\|Work`	`on the dark probe?`
`15:53.14`	`XenoX101`	`ya`
`15:53.22`	`JManV\|Work`	`it is just a probe with a changed model?`
`15:53.25`	`XenoX101`	`even though it is in the command card/abilities list`
`15:53.28`	`XenoX101`	`yeah`
`15:53.47`	`JManV\|Work`	`does it have the ability?`
`15:53.52`	`Helral\|Work`	`did you try shutting down sc2 and sc2editor then starting the editor again and testrunning the map again?`
`15:53.57`	`XenoX101`	`I added it to it`
`15:53.59`	`XenoX101`	`its a new build ability`
`15:54.08`	`XenoX101`	`yes it works now thanks to that helral ^`
`15:54.43`	`JManV\|Work`	`i'm totally going to have to make probe/dark probe into pokemon`
`15:54.57`	`XenoX101`	`;p`
`15:54.58`	`JManV\|Work`	`dark probe will prolly be an evolution`
`15:55.11`	`JManV\|Work`	`but probe can be an early pokemon :)`
`15:55.40`	`XenoX101`	`ya`
`15:55.45`	`XenoX101`	`ok normal build works`
`15:55.46`	`XenoX101`	`mine doesnt though`
`15:55.56`	`ducky`	`hm, I'm puzzeled. How do i lower unit's height beyond 0?`
`15:56.23`	`JManV\|Work`	`ducky why?`
`15:57.04`	`JManV\|Work`	`i don't think things can go below height 0`
`15:57.08`	`ducky`	`i need to cut models lower part`
`15:57.20`	`XenoX101`	`use minus height?`
`15:57.43`	`ducky`	`can't do so, it's just one of models that unit can take`
`15:58.02`	`ducky`	`hey, but i can rise the rest, right?/`
`15:58.56`	`Helral\|Work`	`cya later all`
`15:59.00`	`ducky`	`amusing, as i simplify things in data i add more and more triggers to compensate for the little things`
`15:59.02`	`ducky`	`cya :D`
`16:00.50`	`Skizot`	`:/`
`16:01.15`	`XenoX101`	`lol`
`16:01.25`	`XenoX101`	`you should be able to lower it somewhere`
`16:02.01`	`ducky`	`it seems that i can only do it in units data, but that would affect all units`
`16:03.12`	`XenoX101`	`copy the unit!`
`16:03.27`	`XenoX101`	`the "modify unit" effect also can lower height`
`16:03.28`	`JManV\|Work`	`can you do it with a behavior?`
`16:03.36`	`JManV\|Work`	`or effect... :P`
`16:03.52`	`ducky`	`:O i'll try`
`16:03.57`	`ducky`	`it later`
`16:04.01`	`ducky`	`but now afk`
`16:04.03`	`JManV\|Work`	`no!`
`16:04.09`	`JManV\|Work`	`you must do it now!`
`16:04.15`	`JManV\|Work`	`...or later`
`16:04.18`	`JManV\|Work`	`later's fine`
`16:04.37`	`XenoX101`	`lol`
`16:04.42`	`XenoX101`	`there's also an actor action, 'set height'`
`16:04.47`	`XenoX101`	`and its relative`
`16:04.54`	`XenoX101`	`or so it says, so it should work -10`
`16:04.57`	`XenoX101`	`or any amount`
`16:10.37`	`XenoX101`	`hm, setting up units to build is surprisingly easier than I thought`
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`16:14.44`	`JManV\|Work`	`i totally need to turn the various ursdak calves into pokemon`
`16:15.01`	`XenoX101`	`hope you use the little things on space platform`
`16:15.08`	`XenoX101`	`those cute little drone things`
`16:15.34`	`JManV\|Work`	`oh ofc`
`16:15.49`	`JManV\|Work`	`those things look like pokemon`
`16:15.59`	`XenoX101`	`yeah`
`16:16.22`	`XenoX101`	`like magnetons ;p`
`16:16.43`	`XenoX101`	`so what inspired you to make a pokemon map?`
`16:16.55`	`Skizot`	`if you can get me some ripped pokemans i can get them ingame for you,`
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`16:17.11`	`XenoX101`	`ripped pokemon? how about machamp? ;p`
`16:17.29`	`Skizot`	`lol`
`16:17.50`	`XenoX101`	`still has it`
`16:19.22`	`nicoli_s`	`i playedthe original pokemon in my day`
`16:21.19`	`JManV\|Work`	`i dunno... i just thought that pokemon would fit well in the format`
`16:21.31`	`JManV\|Work`	`i was already making an RPG, but this jsut seemed to work better`
`16:21.50`	`JManV\|Work`	`lends itself well to allied play as well as PvP`
`16:22.06`	`JManV\|Work`	`and it's already known to be addictive fun`
`16:23.00`	`JManV\|Work`	`and my RPG was already set up to bank large numbers of unts`
`16:23.10`	`JManV\|Work`	`so i can reuse that`
`16:24.21`	`JManV\|Work`	`anyways, i think it'll be a lot of fun`
`16:24.37`	`JManV\|Work`	`and although other people have considered the same thing, i don't think anyone else will do it quite the same`
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`16:25.26`	`JManV\|Work`	`just the idea of training up units and fighting other players with them.... it just sounds fun to me`
`16:25.34`	`Helral`	`damn took me long to get home....`
`16:26.03`	`JManV\|Work`	`hmmm... probes don't auto-fight... they run`
`16:26.16`	`Helral`	`just set the flag from flee to acquire.`
`16:26.43`	`JManV\|Work`	`yeah, i just found that option`
`16:26.57`	`JManV\|Work`	`i saw "flee" in the data editor`
`16:26.58`	`nicoli_s`	`JManV\|Work:its cuz people love development`
`16:27.04`	`JManV\|Work`	`figured: "i should change that"`
`16:27.14`	`nicoli_s`	`if your units stay with you and get stronger, people want to spend more time doing it`
`16:27.22`	`Helral`	`nicoli_s: why do people love development?`
`16:27.37`	`JManV\|Work`	`they just do`
`16:27.39`	`nicoli_s`	`because they like seeing their units/characters "grow"`
`16:27.50`	`JManV\|Work`	`you don't love leveling up units and getting cool new stuff?`
`16:27.53`	`nicoli_s`	`as opposed to every time you turn on a static game and they are just the same`
`16:28.06`	`Helral`	`nicoli_s: ow nevermind I just remembered why.... cause women with undeveloped chests are not so attractive as women with developed chests....`
`16:28.26`	`nicoli_s`	`lol not exactly what i meant`
`16:28.39`	`Helral`	`hmmm`
`16:28.42`	`Helral`	`you a loli then?`
`16:28.45`	`JManV\|Work`	`he does raise a good point tho... :P`
`16:29.09`	`XenoX101`	`man these building actors are intense`
`16:29.11`	`XenoX101`	`I am so lost`
`16:29.38`	`nicoli_s`	`my woman actually has quite nice sized breaststs`
`16:30.09`	`XenoX101`	`JManV, interesting take, it is indeed a very large expandable platform`
`16:30.24`	`Helral`	`hmmmm so nearly flat is for you nice sized....`
`16:30.42`	`nicoli_s`	`is just gonna back out of this conversation`
`16:31.17`	`Helral`	`hahahaha`
`16:31.26`	`Helral`	`won`
`16:31.28`	`JManV\|Work`	`yeah, that's kinda what i think`
`16:31.33`	`JManV\|Work`	`lots of room to grow`
`16:31.38`	`JManV\|Work`	`and i can always add on later`
`16:31.44`	`JManV\|Work`	`with new maps or map expansions`
`16:31.47`	`XenoX101`	`yeah`
`16:31.53`	`XenoX101`	`man these building actors`
`16:32.01`	`XenoX101`	`if you want to cry, just look up all the actors for a protoss build`
`16:32.13`	`ekcolnovkol`	`cries`
`16:32.30`	`JManV\|Work`	`no thanks`
`16:32.37`	`JManV\|Work`	`i've got a good idea what they look like`
`16:32.39`	`JManV\|Work`	`it`
`16:32.42`	`JManV\|Work`	`'s not pretty`
`16:32.50`	`XenoX101`	`there's a construction actor`
`16:32.53`	`XenoX101`	`an attachment actor`
`16:32.56`	`nicoli_s`	`helral:you can never win when i can ban you, i am mearly withdrawing`
`16:33.17`	`Helral`	`I can win fights but not the war :P`
`16:33.19`	`XenoX101`	`and there are four actors just for the 'burning' of a building`
`16:33.32`	`XenoX101`	`when it gets damaged`
`16:34.02`	`XenoX101`	`and the actors are so weird`
`16:34.05`	`XenoX101`	`they have actor 'stages'`
`16:34.19`	`XenoX101`	`and "Set TransferOverrideAnim"`
`16:34.19`	`JManV\|Work`	`not right to ban helral`
`16:34.21`	`XenoX101`	`whatever the hell that does`
`16:34.32`	`JManV\|Work`	`that'd be like banning onetwo`
`16:34.56`	`Helral`	`where'onetwo anyway ;p`
`16:35.09`	`JManV\|Work`	`not sure`
`16:35.17`	`ducky`	`sighs`
`16:35.21`	`JManV\|Work`	`he doesn't seem to do much map dev these days anyways`
`16:35.36`	`XenoX101`	`lol and NONE of my duplicated actors are firing`
`16:35.36`	`Helral`	`what is it ducky?`
`16:35.37`	`XenoX101`	`sigh`
`16:35.49`	`ducky`	`nothing works when i try to lower unit beyond default terrain height`
`16:37.36`	`ducky`	`i tried everything in model/actor events/ behaviors/effects/triggers.. i guess i'll have to compromise`
`16:38.00`	`ekcolnovkol`	`whoever invented the word habeeb must have suffered some kind of mental trauma`
`16:38.21`	`JManV\|Work`	`the probe is still running :(`
`16:38.25`	`JManV\|Work`	`chickenshit probe`
`16:38.32`	`JManV\|Work`	`stand and fight!`
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`16:39.33`	`JManV\|Work`	`default asquire level?`
`16:39.37`	`JManV\|Work`	`acquire`
`16:40.33`	`XenoX101`	`zzz is there perhaps a tutorial on building actors?`
`16:40.56`	`JManV\|Work`	`your search is as good as mine :P`
`16:41.15`	`JManV\|Work`	`the probe fights back now! yay!`
`16:41.24`	`Helral`	`Behavior - Response`
`16:41.25`	`JManV\|Work`	`now... he doesn't do a lot`
`16:41.41`	`Helral`	`set that to acquire.`
`16:41.42`	`JManV\|Work`	`i alreadyc hanged that helral`
`16:41.57`	`JManV\|Work`	`i had to change the combat - default acquire level too`
`16:42.01`	`JManV\|Work`	`it was set to defensive`
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`16:42.57`	`JManV\|Work`	`my zealot might actually die from fighting probes`
`16:43.39`	`JManV\|Work`	`the 17th probe got him`
`16:44.23`	`JManV\|Work`	`he didn't have shields tho`
`16:44.35`	`JManV\|Work`	`and his attack speed has been cut in half`
`16:47.06`	`JManV\|Work`	`<PROTECTED>`
`16:47.10`	`JManV\|Work`	`that's a deep variable`
`16:48.09`	`XenoX101`	`why the shit`
`16:48.10`	`XenoX101`	`isnt`
`16:48.11`	`XenoX101`	`this`
`16:48.11`	`XenoX101`	`working`
`16:48.40`	`Helral`	`what XenoX101?`
`16:49.16`	`XenoX101`	`my build actors`
`16:49.19`	`XenoX101`	`they just ignore me`
`16:49.40`	`Helral`	`did you set the events?`
`16:49.44`	`XenoX101`	`laughing unapolegetically`
`16:49.53`	`XenoX101`	`I copied all the building actors`
`16:49.59`	`XenoX101`	`and replaced their referencing actors with mine`
`16:50.11`	`XenoX101`	`the building birth actor`
`16:50.22`	`XenoX101`	`UnitConstruction.Obelisk.Start`
`16:50.26`	`XenoX101`	`Create`
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`16:51.14`	`XenoX101`	`GE is out to get me`
`16:51.18`	`Hisui_`	`hello! how often does the sc2mapster map "database" get updated?`
`16:51.24`	`Hisui_`	`the one for published maps on b.net`
`16:51.26`	`Hisui_`	`for the project page`
`16:51.47`	`JManV\|Work`	`updated?`
`16:51.50`	`Hisui_`	`keeps saying the published map doesn't exist even though I did play it on bnet a couple of times, refreshed the sc2ranks.com character, waited a day`
`16:51.51`	`JManV\|Work`	`it's a database`
`16:51.58`	`JManV\|Work`	`oh`
`16:52.02`	`JManV\|Work`	`from bnet`
`16:52.11`	`Hisui_`	`yup`
`16:52.27`	`JManV\|Work`	`no idea here`
`16:55.11`	`XenoX101`	`why are all my actors unnamed`
`16:56.25`	`Helral`	`XenoX101: hmm no idea what's wrong if you changed all the stuff correctly.`
`16:59.13`	`nicoli_s`	`Hisui_:i think work on that has stalled a bit`
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`17:08.58`	`XenoX101`	`meh screw it, its for another day`
`17:09.24`	`XenoX101`	`g'night everyone`
`17:10.17`	`nicoli_s`	`yay, about to try and get an animated sc2 model in my game :)`
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`17:16.42`	`JManV\|Work`	`yay, my editor froze`
`17:17.06`	`JManV\|Work`	`oks its back`
`17:17.25`	`JManV\|Work`	`gonna go to lunch anywho`
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`17:27.17`	`Vail`	`hello SC2 Mapsters`
`17:46.50`	`ckknight`	`hello, Vail`
`17:47.08`	`Helral`	`ow no someone responded to Vail.`
`17:47.13`	`Helral`	`it's the end of the world ;p`
`17:47.15`	`Helral`	`meows`
`17:47.22`	`Helral`	`hey btw.`
`17:47.58`	`Vail`	`hm?`
`17:49.04`	`Vail`	`oh hello`
`17:49.28`	`Helral`	`lol`
`17:50.09`	`RodOfNOD`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:50.27`	`RodOfNOD`	`cuz i added that and it did jack`
`17:50.28`	`Helral`	`why wouldn't it?`
`17:50.49`	`Helral`	`did you test as player 1?`
`17:51.00`	`RodOfNOD`	`http://pastebin.com/w0kdMpRg`
`17:51.05`	`RodOfNOD`	`i did a regular game test`
`17:51.14`	`RodOfNOD`	`am i not player 1?`
`17:51.30`	`RodOfNOD`	`yep i am`
`17:51.32`	`RodOfNOD`	`so wtf`
`17:51.51`	`RodOfNOD`	`btw thats the ENTIRE code for themap`
`17:51.53`	`RodOfNOD`	`the AAshows`
`17:51.56`	`RodOfNOD`	`but it doesntexit`
`17:53.08`	`RodOfNOD`	`any ideas?`
`17:54.10`	`RodOfNOD`	`i got it`
`17:54.25`	`RodOfNOD`	`uhave to have this: Melee - Set default melee options for all players`
`17:54.52`	`Helral`	`lol`
`17:55.12`	`RodOfNOD`	`why is that funny?`
`17:55.24`	`Helral`	`btw first time I have the following error: 00:00:00.00 Script load failed: Execution took too long`
`17:56.54`	`RodOfNOD`	`hehe`
`17:56.57`	`RodOfNOD`	`i have that alot`
`17:57.03`	`RodOfNOD`	`when i do an infinite loop`
`17:57.28`	`Helral`	`I don't have an infinite loop....`
`17:57.38`	`Helral`	`lol`
`17:57.44`	`RodOfNOD`	`hmm thats what causes it usually`
`17:57.52`	`Helral`	`I just reduced an array size from 200 to 100 and the error is gone :P`
`17:57.54`	`RodOfNOD`	`u must be doing way to much shit during ur trigger then`
`17:58.12`	`Helral`	`it was just a global array which pushed it over the limit.`
`17:58.32`	`Helral`	`if that isn't funny then I don't know what is ;p`
`17:59.21`	`Helral`	`maybe I should throw as much of my map init stuff to gametime 0.0 seconds.`
`17:59.35`	`Helral`	`so that my next global variable doesn't screw it up ;p`
`18:00.06`	`Skizot`	`:(`
`18:00.18`	`Helral\|Gone`	`I'm gone for a long while`
`18:00.19`	`Skizot`	`lol`
`18:00.22`	`Skizot`	`YOU CAN'`
`18:00.29`	`Helral\|AFK`	`yup I can`
`18:00.31`	`Skizot`	`T RUN FROM ME`
`18:00.34`	`Helral\|AFK`	`lol`
`18:00.37`	`Helral\|AFK`	`wanna bet`
`18:00.45`	`Helral\|AFK`	`glues Skizot to the floor and runs away.`
`18:00.49`	`Skizot`	`lol`
`18:00.52`	`Helral\|AFK`	`:)`
`18:01.10`	`RodOfNOD`	`does AFK stand for A FAT KAT`
`18:01.12`	`RodOfNOD`	`?`
`18:01.19`	`Helral\|AFK`	`A Fast Cat.`
`18:01.27`	`Helral\|AFK`	`:P`
`18:01.46`	`RodOfNOD`	`maybe but im thinking a FOREIGN KAT is better`
`18:01.54`	`Helral\|AFK`	`almost got away from Skizot`
`18:02.07`	`Helral\|AFK`	`cya`
`18:02.12`	`Helral\|AFK`	`did get away from Skizot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!`
`18:08.30`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Bounty (442d304d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.45.48.77)`
`18:08.44`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Dustin (~dustin.he@wsip-70-182-246-78.ks.ks.cox.net)`
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`18:09.19`	`Bounty`	`u gay skitt`
`18:09.21`	`Bounty`	`U GAY`
`18:09.51`	`Skittles`	`?`
`18:09.57`	`Bounty`	`iunno`
`18:10.00`	`Bounty`	`bored`
`18:10.11`	`Skittles`	`I'm only gay on fridays and saturdays, today's thursday, you knew that.`
`18:10.18`	`Bounty`	`crap`
`18:10.22`	`Bounty`	`thats right, i apologize`
`18:10.30`	`Bounty`	`i sorry`
`18:10.31`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`18:10.31`	`Skittles`	`Yeah, you better bitch.`
`18:10.33`	`Skittles`	`=D`
`18:10.41`	`Skittles`	`backhands`
`18:10.52`	`Bounty`	`oooooh`
`18:11.03`	`Bounty`	`So, still dont know if my map is broke or fixed yet`
`18:11.06`	`Bounty`	`><`
`18:11.08`	`Skizot`	`u bof gay`
`18:11.22`	`Bounty`	`bof`
`18:11.23`	`Bounty`	`i like that one`
`18:11.34`	`Bounty`	`U BOF GAY`
`18:11.36`	`Bounty`	`NAMSAYIN?`
`18:12.19`	`Skittles`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOwecPvjnSQ&feature=related`
`18:12.27`	`Skittles`	`read the most liked condom after watching that vid`
`18:12.34`	`Skittles`	`vid is rather short`
`18:12.45`	`Skittles`	`comment*`
`18:12.55`	`Bounty`	`first off`
`18:13.03`	`Bounty`	`you know you're bored when you actually click youtube links`
`18:13.07`	`Bounty`	`second, that vid is stupid`
`18:13.15`	`Skittles`	`Read the most liked comment tho`
`18:13.21`	`Bounty`	`"LOOK TEH GALAXY EDITAR CAN DOES MULTIPLICASHUN"`
`18:13.33`	`Skittles`	`read the most liked comment!`
`18:13.43`	`Skittles`	`"And this is whyï»¿ you use condoms"`
`18:13.57`	`Skittles`	`hahahaahh`
`18:14.14`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`18:14.26`	`JManV\|Work`	`hey bounty`
`18:14.34`	`JManV\|Work`	`never were able to test your map changes?`
`18:14.34`	`Bounty`	`Hye JmanV`
`18:14.38`	`Bounty`	`nope`
`18:14.43`	`Bounty`	`So for all we know`
`18:14.45`	`Bounty`	`It could be fixed`
`18:14.51`	`Bounty`	`and i could have been working on content and balance`
`18:15.13`	`Bounty`	`but i cant until i know its fixed lol`
`18:15.42`	`Bounty`	`Hopefully i can get the test done today`
`18:16.23`	`Dustin`	`:O`
`18:19.08`	`Bounty`	`Besides, either its the threads names or people just dont like the map but the map is not getting even half the attention i expected`
`18:20.23`	`Skittles`	`0.0`
`18:20.26`	`Skittles`	`dustin`
`18:20.36`	`Dustin`	`sup`
`18:20.41`	`JManV\|Work`	`someone needs to tell HuK that he's only allowed to play Sc2 :P`
`18:20.45`	`Skittles`	`Loaded a new map and couldn't any coal, then ti got really dark so I hacked away at a mountain and found some`
`18:20.52`	`Skittles`	`but that's not all!`
`18:21.02`	`Skittles`	`I found like 10000 coals eventually in the mountain`
`18:21.04`	`Skittles`	`tons of iron`
`18:21.06`	`Skittles`	`tons of diamond`
`18:21.09`	`Dustin`	`daaaamn`
`18:21.11`	`Skittles`	`tons of lava and water`
`18:21.13`	`Skittles`	`and gold`
`18:21.15`	`Skittles`	`and red stone`
`18:21.18`	`Skittles`	`and what ever else!`
`18:21.19`	`Bounty`	`wtf?`
`18:21.20`	`Skittles`	`tons of caves too`
`18:21.41`	`Skittles`	`btw I was thinking about it last night, and it wouldn't be hard to make it for sc2`
`18:21.48`	`Bounty`	`Minecraft?`
`18:21.51`	`Skittles`	`yeah`
`18:21.54`	`Bounty`	`Only a fool would do that`
`18:22.00`	`JManV\|Work`	`you can't really stack objects, can you?`
`18:22.00`	`Bounty`	`Minecraft is FREE`
`18:22.02`	`Skittles`	`would need to use wasd tho`
`18:22.04`	`Dustin`	`I was thinking about that to`
`18:22.06`	`Skittles`	`you can`
`18:22.09`	`Bounty`	`Dont do it`
`18:22.11`	`Skittles`	`units with correct flying height`
`18:22.13`	`Bounty`	`It would be a waste of time`
`18:22.22`	`Skittles`	`I would just do a proof of concept bounty`
`18:22.38`	`Bounty`	`The Dungeon keep thing is a proof of concept for minecraft imo`
`18:22.40`	`JManV\|Work`	`you wouldn't need wasd`
`18:22.42`	`Bounty`	`u have the blocks`
`18:22.46`	`Bounty`	`and u can hack away at them`
`18:22.48`	`Skittles`	`you would for collision on walls`
`18:22.55`	`Bounty`	`its clearly possible`
`18:23.05`	`Skittles`	`bounty his is way different`
`18:23.09`	`Bounty`	`how about`
`18:23.14`	`Skittles`	`its not even funny if u think that's the same thing`
`18:23.21`	`Bounty`	`you make use of ur time and make something new and original so i have something to play`
`18:23.22`	`Bounty`	`:)`
`18:23.33`	`Skittles`	`making a unit a block and have it die isn't what minecraft is`
`18:23.48`	`Bounty`	`i didnt see that`
`18:23.50`	`Bounty`	`say*`
`18:23.51`	`Skittles`	`mmm`
`18:23.52`	`Skittles`	`anyway`
`18:23.58`	`Skittles`	`that's what dk is`
`18:24.00`	`Bounty`	`i said its kind of the same thing, you mine the blocks`
`18:24.03`	`Skittles`	`all bib did anyway`
`18:24.25`	`Skittles`	`bibendus u there`
`18:24.33`	`Skittles`	`nope`
`18:24.35`	`Bounty`	`no he isnt`
`18:24.36`	`Bounty`	`><`
`18:24.40`	`Skittles`	`not even logged on Xd`
`18:24.55`	`Skittles`	`hmm`
`18:24.57`	`Bounty`	`Hey Skit`
`18:25.01`	`Skittles`	`yeah?`
`18:25.05`	`Bounty`	`ill give u a map idea that is guaranteed to succeed`
`18:25.11`	`Bounty`	`if u just dont make the minecraft PoC`
`18:25.14`	`Bounty`	`><`
`18:25.14`	`Skittles`	`I'll pass, but lets hear it.`
`18:25.19`	`Bounty`	`then im nto saying it`
`18:25.20`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`18:25.22`	`Skittles`	`lol`
`18:25.39`	`Bounty`	`its literally a 100% guaranteed popularity snagger though`
`18:25.39`	`Skittles`	`PoC would only take me like 10 minutes to make btw`
`18:25.46`	`Skizot`	`i could make a minecraft player model...`
`18:25.48`	`Skizot`	`XD`
`18:25.54`	`Skittles`	`My destructible bridge would actually already be set up to make it`
`18:25.55`	`JManV\|Work`	`PoC?`
`18:25.59`	`Skittles`	`proof of concept`
`18:26.00`	`Bounty`	`Proof of Concept`
`18:26.13`	`Skittles`	`http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/destructible-bridge/`
`18:26.13`	`Bounty`	`well regardless`
`18:26.19`	`Skittles`	`should add a video now that I can =D`
`18:26.22`	`JManV\|Work`	`ah`
`18:26.24`	`Bounty`	`who wants to make a popular map? :)`
`18:26.27`	`Skittles`	`but anyway`
`18:26.34`	`Skittles`	`I don't think sc2 can handle the poligons`
`18:26.40`	`JManV\|Work`	`what's your idea bounty?`
`18:26.59`	`Bounty`	`ill just tell u the name, u should be able to figure it out`
`18:27.01`	`Skittles`	`Not like anybody is going to drop their current map to make it bounty`
`18:27.07`	`Bounty`	`actually`
`18:27.11`	`Bounty`	`its very easy to make Skitt`
`18:27.16`	`Bounty`	`it would be called`
`18:27.21`	`Bounty`	`Nexus Rhythm Wars :)`
`18:27.27`	`Skittles`	`ew`
`18:27.32`	`Bounty`	`ew?`
`18:27.35`	`Skittles`	`Nexus is for show points`
`18:27.38`	`JManV\|Work`	`ew indeed`
`18:27.41`	`Skittles`	`wars is for shwo points`
`18:27.44`	`JManV\|Work`	`i hate rythm game`
`18:27.46`	`Bounty`	`Let me explain`
`18:27.51`	`Skittles`	`zombie is for show points`
`18:27.52`	`Bounty`	`Its a Rhythm game but`
`18:27.53`	`Bounty`	`when you hit notes`
`18:27.55`	`Bounty`	`you spawn units`
`18:28.02`	`Skittles`	`Lets name it Zombie Nexus Wars`
`18:28.04`	`Bounty`	`and when you go on streaks`
`18:28.08`	`Skittles`	`If we do that`
`18:28.09`	`Bounty`	`your units upgrade`
`18:28.15`	`JManV\|Work`	`it's still a rhythm game tho`
`18:28.16`	`Skittles`	`then it would actually get really popular`
`18:28.24`	`Bounty`	`so what Jman? it would be popular lol`
`18:28.26`	`JManV\|Work`	`you win by matching a beat`
`18:28.36`	`JManV\|Work`	`so make it`
`18:28.38`	`JManV\|Work`	`but i never will`
`18:28.41`	`Bounty`	`Just use the ASDF keys`
`18:28.45`	`Bounty`	`piece of cake`
`18:28.47`	`JManV\|Work`	`because i would never play it`
`18:28.55`	`Bounty`	`u would try it`
`18:28.56`	`Bounty`	`u know u would`
`18:29.02`	`JManV\|Work`	`and popular or not, i wouldn't make a game i wouldn't play`
`18:29.47`	`Bounty`	`well the only thing that would take more then 5 minutes to do is the charting`
`18:29.59`	`Bounty`	`thats about it really`
`18:30.08`	`Skittles`	`I kinda want to make it now`
`18:30.22`	`Skittles`	`Zombie Nexus Wars would be the shit`
`18:30.30`	`Bounty`	`How?`
`18:30.33`	`Bounty`	`You need a twist`
`18:30.39`	`Skittles`	`Has the words you need in it`
`18:30.39`	`Bounty`	`just having zombies isnt enough lol`
`18:30.45`	`JManV\|Work`	`its got zombie and nexus in the name... it's guaranteed to be popular`
`18:30.48`	`Skittles`	`Zombie, nexus, and wars always gets tons of views`
`18:30.53`	`Skittles`	`yep`
`18:30.56`	`Skittles`	`for isntance`
`18:31.03`	`Skittles`	`that zombie survival map was on top for awhile`
`18:31.07`	`JManV\|Work`	`it's like peanut butter and chocolate`
`18:31.09`	`Skittles`	`top page i mean`
`18:31.14`	`Skittles`	`and it didn't even have a zombie in it`
`18:31.16`	`JManV\|Work`	`they were meant to be together`
`18:31.20`	`Bounty`	`i had a zombie map and it didnt get to the top of the list`
`18:31.37`	`Skittles`	`u call that a zombie map?`
`18:31.39`	`JManV\|Work`	`but this is a zombie nexus map`
`18:31.48`	`Bounty`	`call what a zombie map?`
`18:31.48`	`Skittles`	`I saw the vid of it bounty`
`18:31.50`	`JManV\|Work`	`that's like zombie squared`
`18:31.56`	`Hisui_`	`i wish my map was popular :'(`
`18:32.04`	`Bounty`	`If you dont call that a zombie map you're a complete moron Skittles lol`
`18:32.09`	`Skittles`	`u call a map with zombies a zombie map?`
`18:32.10`	`JManV\|Work`	`i'm hoping mine will`
`18:32.16`	`Skittles`	`What nonsense!`
`18:32.25`	`JManV\|Work`	`but with popularity being based on time soon... i think it will`
`18:32.41`	`Hisui_`	`gotta recruit 16 people to idle in my map all day`
`18:32.44`	`JManV\|Work`	`cuz you could play pokemon for hours`
`18:32.45`	`Bounty`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntPoL6nza1Q Greatest Zombie map ever made!`
`18:32.58`	`JManV\|Work`	`hisui_: please don't`
`18:33.02`	`Skittles`	`lol`
`18:33.10`	`JManV\|Work`	`people exploiting the system like that ruin it for the rest of us`
`18:33.14`	`Skittles`	`jman`
`18:33.21`	`Skittles`	`I thought it was based on players?`
`18:33.31`	`Bounty`	`You know whats funny`
`18:33.33`	`Skittles`	`Rather then counting players per hour ( so no double counting)`
`18:33.35`	`JManV\|Work`	`players and time`
`18:33.36`	`Bounty`	`NOBODY ever beat that map`
`18:33.49`	`Skittles`	`that means it was op`
`18:33.52`	`Bounty`	`nope`
`18:33.55`	`Skittles`	`op`
`18:33.57`	`Bounty`	`it always comes down tot he last waste`
`18:34.00`	`Bounty`	`wave*`
`18:34.05`	`Bounty`	`people have come close`
`18:34.07`	`Bounty`	`like`
`18:34.09`	`Bounty`	`lost by like 10 seconds lol`
`18:34.18`	`Skittles`	`mmhmm`
`18:34.20`	`JManV\|Work`	`maybe that's why it wasn't popular?`
`18:34.29`	`JManV\|Work`	`cuz that would suck`
`18:34.29`	`Bounty`	`because the last level is hard?`
`18:34.37`	`Skittles`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G471hvhdQ1U`
`18:34.43`	`Skittles`	`greatest zombie map in the making`
`18:34.46`	`JManV\|Work`	`impossible is what it sounds like`
`18:35.12`	`Bounty`	`its the last wave Jman`
`18:35.14`	`Skittles`	`tho I fubard my speech lol`
`18:35.15`	`Bounty`	`it going to be hard`
`18:35.21`	`Bounty`	`it starts off easy and ramps up`
`18:35.37`	`Bounty`	`look at the video, that shit is easy as hell ><`
`18:35.38`	`JManV\|Work`	`but you can't ever beat it`
`18:35.42`	`Bounty`	`yes u can`
`18:35.47`	`Bounty`	`if u work as a team`
`18:35.51`	`JManV\|Work`	`so why continue trying?`
`18:35.58`	`JManV\|Work`	`but no one ever did`
`18:36.00`	`Bounty`	`most people run into the fields and go zombie killing isntead of protecting the hotel`
`18:36.12`	`Bounty`	`no one ever did because it wasnt that popular first of all lol`
`18:36.15`	`JManV\|Work`	`so you should understand that`
`18:36.20`	`Bounty`	`so not many attempts were made`
`18:36.27`	`JManV\|Work`	`you need to know what your players are going to do`
`18:37.09`	`JManV\|Work`	`if they're doing something instead of what you want them to, its probably because the thing is more fun`
`18:37.25`	`Bounty`	`no its bc ppl dont like standing still lol`
`18:37.41`	`JManV\|Work`	`exaxctly`
`18:37.46`	`JManV\|Work`	`its more fun to run around`
`18:37.53`	`Bounty`	`and when u get to the later levels u need to stay close to the Hotel`
`18:37.56`	`JManV\|Work`	`in general, offense is more fun than defense`
`18:37.57`	`Bounty`	`u still run around`
`18:38.01`	`Bounty`	`u are offensive`
`18:38.12`	`Skittles`	`bounty is sc2 mapster the only sight you advertise on?`
`18:38.16`	`Bounty`	`no`
`18:38.22`	`Skittles`	`link others plox`
`18:38.24`	`Bounty`	`i advertise on bnet forums and TL`
`18:38.32`	`Bounty`	`and honestly`
`18:38.40`	`JManV\|Work`	`i really hate TL`
`18:38.41`	`Bounty`	`underworld has gotten 10x more attention on both of those then mapster`
`18:38.45`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`18:38.47`	`JManV\|Work`	`snobs all`
`18:38.50`	`Skittles`	`yep`
`18:38.58`	`Bounty`	`uh`
`18:39.03`	`Skittles`	`I'ma go join those snobs.`
`18:39.04`	`Bounty`	`idk about the other forums on TL`
`18:39.05`	`Skittles`	`=D`
`18:39.13`	`Bounty`	`but i know custom maps forums on TL are not full of snobs`
`18:39.14`	`Bounty`	`if anything`
`18:39.22`	`Bounty`	`mapster is full of way more snobs then TL when it comes to customs`
`18:39.32`	`JManV\|Work`	`the problem with custom map forums is that only mapmakers read them`
`18:39.55`	`JManV\|Work`	`and they are not our target audience`
`18:40.44`	`nicoli_s`	`well mapster isnt really for advertising, its for dev resources`
`18:40.47`	`*** join/#sc2mapster MysT_DooM (~MysT_DooM@ool-4a5a09a2.dyn.optonline.net)`
`18:40.55`	`JManV\|Work`	`i haven't seen nearly as many people get banned on sc2mapster than TL`
`18:41.05`	`JManV\|Work`	`they ban people on TL like it doesn't even matter`
`18:41.05`	`Bounty`	`i disagree nicoli lol`
`18:41.16`	`Bounty`	`mapster is the best place to advertise if you get newsed`
`18:41.27`	`Bounty`	`which you have a high chance of getting newsed`
`18:41.40`	`JManV\|Work`	`oh i'm not complaining about sc2mapster`
`18:41.50`	`JManV\|Work`	`i'm just saying there aren't enough resources for map exposure`
`18:41.54`	`Skittles`	`0.0`
`18:41.58`	`JManV\|Work`	`and that is blizzards fault`
`18:41.59`	`Bounty`	`i mean honestly`
`18:42.01`	`Bounty`	`im sorry to say`
`18:42.04`	`Vail`	`i love Sc2Mapster <3`
`18:42.11`	`Bounty`	`mapster is almost useless for information lol`
`18:42.17`	`Bounty`	`most of the threads under search are 404`
`18:42.20`	`Bounty`	`if u want info`
`18:42.23`	`Bounty`	`u come here :)`
`18:42.25`	`JManV\|Work`	`how do they decide who gets featured anyways? can i submit a map for featured review?`
`18:42.39`	`JManV\|Work`	`that's a good system that's getting misused`
`18:42.46`	`Bounty`	`i've learned 10x more in this IRC then i have from mapsters site, bc everytime i search for something ig et a result followed by a fucking 404 error lol`
`18:42.52`	`JManV\|Work`	`they just decide arbitarily`
`18:43.07`	`JManV\|Work`	`there are a lot of 404s`
`18:43.15`	`Bounty`	`Yeah`
`18:43.20`	`Bounty`	`and it always seems to be the thread you need to see`
`18:43.25`	`Bounty`	`that has the solution to your problem`
`18:43.26`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`18:43.31`	`Vail`	`true`
`18:43.34`	`Vail`	`saddly`
`18:43.46`	`JManV\|Work`	`man its still the best resource there is`
`18:43.58`	`Bounty`	`i disagree man`
`18:44.01`	`Bounty`	`this IRC is 10x better`
`18:44.07`	`Bounty`	`like yesterday`
`18:44.12`	`Bounty`	`u taught me about the switches`
`18:44.16`	`Bounty`	`add that to the list lol`
`18:44.17`	`JManV\|Work`	`well, it's the mix`
`18:44.28`	`JManV\|Work`	`i kind of think of this as an extension of the site`
`18:44.36`	`Bounty`	`shit, acemore walked me through action definitions step by step in this IRC`
`18:44.36`	`Vail`	`as do i.`
`18:44.39`	`Skittles`	`mk`
`18:44.54`	`Bounty`	`yeah but most people on the forums`
`18:44.55`	`JManV\|Work`	`it's nice to have static resources to fall back on tho`
`18:44.57`	`Bounty`	`give stupid answers`
`18:45.01`	`Bounty`	`ill give u the best example`
`18:45.05`	`JManV\|Work`	`you can only tell someone how to do something so many times`
`18:45.11`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Bibendus (~IceChat7@ip-80-67-114-201.static.adsl.cheapnet.it)`
`18:45.11`	`JManV\|Work`	`before you make a tut`
`18:45.14`	`Bounty`	`i asked a question on how to prevent a variable integer from going over a certain number`
`18:45.18`	`Bounty`	`you know what the ONLY response was?`
`18:45.22`	`Bounty`	`"Clamp"`
`18:45.24`	`Deaod`	`thats because its not the quantity of active people you need, but the quality.`
`18:45.36`	`Bounty`	`i asked what is "clamp?" never got a response`
`18:45.37`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`18:45.52`	`Bounty`	`in IRC you get the answers you need`
`18:45.52`	`nicoli_s`	`so where is these 404s happenng? from the actual mapster search?`
`18:45.56`	`JManV\|Work`	`i posted a tutorial, and was berated for like 5 posts`
`18:46.13`	`JManV\|Work`	`people saying "you can do that _____ way", with no concrete backing`
`18:46.21`	`Bounty`	`its been happening for months now nicoli ><`
`18:46.26`	`Bounty`	`idk if its the search`
`18:46.35`	`nicoli_s`	`but like from where? google search or the actual forum search?`
`18:46.41`	`Bounty`	`oh`
`18:46.43`	`Bounty`	`forum search`
`18:46.47`	`Vail`	`yeah`
`18:46.51`	`Deaod`	`int IntClamp(int value, int min, int max){if(value<min){return min;}`
`18:46.53`	`JManV\|Work`	`"this is concrete. you can follow these instructions and it will work. if you want to recommand something else, don't give vague examples"\`
`18:47.05`	`nicoli_s`	`hmm, ill yell at the guy who worked on it when i get back into work, see if i can get it looked at`
`18:47.05`	`Deaod`	`if(value>max){return max;}`
`18:47.08`	`Deaod`	`return value;`
`18:47.09`	`Deaod`	`}`
`18:47.15`	`Bounty`	`Jman thats funny because`
`18:47.23`	`Bounty`	`i posted my triggers for my maps projectile system`
`18:47.26`	`Bounty`	`and u know what i got?`
`18:47.28`	`Bounty`	`bitched at`
`18:47.28`	`Deaod`	`theres your clamp.`
`18:47.30`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`18:47.33`	`JManV\|Work`	`ikr`
`18:47.34`	`Skittles`	`lol`
`18:47.39`	`Bounty`	`yeah i know how they work Deaod`
`18:47.40`	`JManV\|Work`	`i was trying to help people!`
`18:47.47`	`Bounty`	`i was giving an example from awhile ago`
`18:47.48`	`Bounty`	`><`
`18:47.50`	`JManV\|Work`	`there were no posts on trying to do what i was doing`
`18:47.56`	`Deaod`	`-.-`
`18:47.59`	`Bounty`	`like i know my projectile system isnt the best way`
`18:48.00`	`Bounty`	`but it works`
`18:48.02`	`JManV\|Work`	`and it took me a day and a ahlf to find a solution`
`18:48.04`	`Deaod`	`and noone was able to explain that?`
`18:48.09`	`Bounty`	`no`
`18:48.10`	`JManV\|Work`	`every trying everything`
`18:48.11`	`Deaod`	`good lord.`
`18:48.13`	`Bounty`	`all the dude said`
`18:48.14`	`Bounty`	`in the thread`
`18:48.17`	`Bounty`	`was one fucking word`
`18:48.19`	`Bounty`	`"clamp"`
`18:48.24`	`Bounty`	`and thats all you get on the forums`
`18:48.31`	`Bounty`	`answers from people who know everything and think u do to`
`18:48.34`	`Bounty`	`so they give one word answers`
`18:48.36`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`18:48.46`	`Deaod`	`they expect you to do your own research.`
`18:48.54`	`Bounty`	`i do`
`18:48.56`	`Bounty`	`then i get 404`
`18:48.58`	`Bounty`	`=P`
`18:49.02`	`Deaod`	`and giving you the word clamp is actually a good pointer on what to search for.`
`18:49.07`	`Vail`	`forums are often clusters of elitists that indeed think every one should know everything they do and if you dont you are not worth their time`
`18:49.08`	`JManV\|Work`	`to some degree, that's fair`
`18:49.16`	`JManV\|Work`	`but the word clamp is just a word`
`18:49.20`	`Bounty`	`i found clamp`
`18:49.21`	`JManV\|Work`	`he didn't say "search for clamp`
`18:49.25`	`Bounty`	`but i dont know how to use it`
`18:49.25`	`JManV\|Work`	`he said "clamp"`
`18:49.28`	`JManV\|Work`	`that's different`
`18:49.30`	`Bounty`	`not everyone picks up on everything immediately`
`18:49.31`	`Bounty`	`><`
`18:49.40`	`JManV\|Work`	`big difference`
`18:49.48`	`Bounty`	`http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/trigger-libraries/13454-triggers-bountys-lagless-projectile-system/#p9`
`18:49.49`	`Bounty`	`Jman`
`18:49.50`	`JManV\|Work`	`the first is an appropriate response`
`18:49.53`	`Bounty`	`thats the thread i posted`
`18:49.55`	`JManV\|Work`	`the second is just rude`
`18:49.56`	`Bounty`	`about my projectile system`
`18:50.02`	`Bounty`	`not one positive response lol`
`18:50.11`	`JManV\|Work`	`he didn't have time to put two more words?`
`18:50.16`	`JManV\|Work`	`why post at all then?`
`18:50.50`	`Bounty`	`I think my projectile system is quite efficient, esp now that i know alot more about keeping the code cleaner`
`18:50.56`	`Bounty`	`i was pretty messy back then but it still worked`
`18:51.21`	`JManV\|Work`	`everyone wants to recommend something else`
`18:51.27`	`JManV\|Work`	`but really... if it works, it works`
`18:51.30`	`Bounty`	`then u know what they should do?`
`18:51.33`	`Bounty`	`make their own thread!`
`18:51.34`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`18:51.37`	`JManV\|Work`	`and i hate vague recommendations`
`18:51.59`	`Vail`	`i am guilty of making those on occasion but i try not to.`
`18:52.01`	`Bounty`	`u know what that projectile system allowed me to do?`
`18:52.05`	`Bounty`	`bam`
`18:52.06`	`Bounty`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWGJ6o2XQvU`
`18:52.10`	`Bounty`	`hardcore collision`
`18:52.14`	`Bounty`	`VERY precise`
`18:52.21`	`Bounty`	`if it looks like u can shoot through it, u can`
`18:52.29`	`JManV\|Work`	`like "can be worked around using data"`
`18:52.38`	`JManV\|Work`	`that's a response i got`
`18:52.42`	`JManV\|Work`	`how?!?!?!`
`18:52.44`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`18:52.46`	`*** join/#sc2mapster MysT_DooM (~MysT_DooM@ool-4a5a09a2.dyn.optonline.net)`
`18:52.48`	`Bounty`	`dont get me started on that Jman`
`18:52.59`	`Bounty`	`i've heard those words more in my life then anyone in this IRC`
`18:53.03`	`JManV\|Work`	`and firstly: do you really think i didn't try?!?!?!`
`18:53.11`	`Bounty`	`well thats the diff with me`
`18:53.13`	`Bounty`	`i didnt try`
`18:53.16`	`Bounty`	`lolol`
`18:53.26`	`Vail`	`ouch at least im not that vauge . i atleast point to the ability that would best apply and the effects that would serve to achieve the goal`
`18:53.26`	`*** join/#sc2mapster RazielZ (~Raziel@95.76.133.23)`
`18:53.31`	`JManV\|Work`	`in the specific case i'm speaking, i tried virtually everything`
`18:53.40`	`Bounty`	`Its funny`
`18:53.42`	`Bounty`	`I dont know about you guys`
`18:53.44`	`JManV\|Work`	`and said that in my post`
`18:53.50`	`Bounty`	`But the only time i learn something about data`
`18:53.52`	`Vail`	`what were you trying to do, put of curiosity?`
`18:53.52`	`Bounty`	`is when i HAVE to`
`18:53.57`	`Bounty`	`example`
`18:54.01`	`Bounty`	`the weapons in Underworld`
`18:54.06`	`Bounty`	`required data`
`18:54.07`	`RodOfNOD`	`bounty what if its the same model that has a hole init ?`
`18:54.10`	`Bounty`	`and 3ds max`
`18:54.16`	`JManV\|Work`	`i needed to buy from buildings that weren't neutral`
`18:54.20`	`Bounty`	`Rod`
`18:54.23`	`Vail`	`ah`
`18:54.29`	`Bounty`	`i could do that to`
`18:54.34`	`Bounty`	`u see the video?`
`18:54.37`	`Bounty`	`with the 2 poles`
`18:54.37`	`RodOfNOD`	`yep`
`18:54.43`	`RodOfNOD`	`u shot between 2 models`
`18:54.48`	`RodOfNOD`	`but not within the samemodel`
`18:54.48`	`Bounty`	`no`
`18:54.51`	`Bounty`	`thats one doodad`
`18:54.58`	`Bounty`	`and trees that are bent`
`18:55.07`	`Bounty`	`u hit the part that matches the height of the bullet`
`18:55.09`	`Bounty`	`BUT`
`18:55.16`	`Bounty`	`thats why the system is 2D only :)`
`18:55.44`	`Bounty`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2KzABG26PE&feature=related`
`18:55.50`	`Bounty`	`It worked pretty damn good`
`18:55.56`	`Bounty`	`Alot of people enjoyed it`
`18:56.07`	`Bounty`	`I may have to revisit that map and give it some nice UI now that i know how to make it`
`18:56.31`	`RodOfNOD`	`i wishi liked shooters`
`18:56.53`	`Bounty`	`u know whats awesome?`
`18:56.58`	`JManV\|Work`	`i really don't think sc2 is a good format for shooters`
`18:56.59`	`Bounty`	`if blizz ever fixes wasd like they said`
`18:57.02`	`Bounty`	`i am SET`
`18:57.02`	`RodOfNOD`	`me?`
`18:57.06`	`Bounty`	`i have so much fucking content`
`18:57.08`	`Bounty`	`like`
`18:57.10`	`Bounty`	`its endless`
`18:57.14`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`18:57.21`	`Skittles`	`mmhmm`
`18:57.27`	`RodOfNOD`	`what do u mean by content?`
`18:57.31`	`Bounty`	`maps`
`18:57.38`	`Bounty`	`all of my maps use WASD`
`18:57.44`	`JManV\|Work`	`i think shooters really play to the weaknesses of sc2's engine`
`18:57.47`	`Bounty`	`so on day 1`
`18:57.49`	`RodOfNOD`	`so u mean terrain`
`18:57.59`	`Bounty`	`ill have tons of maps takign advantage of the wasd`
`18:58.16`	`Bounty`	`no i mean maps Rod`
`18:58.18`	`Bounty`	`like games`
`18:58.19`	`RodOfNOD`	`i was hoping umeant models`
`18:59.00`	`RodOfNOD`	`never having tried what doesnt work with wasd right now?`
`18:59.05`	`Bounty`	`I think Battlefield Egypts popularity will soar`
`18:59.11`	`JManV\|Work`	`bummer... i brought a video to work on memory stick to upload... but it's corrupt :*`
`18:59.12`	`Bounty`	`when they fix wasd`
`18:59.13`	`JManV\|Work`	`:(`
`18:59.23`	`Bounty`	`also`
`18:59.23`	`RodOfNOD`	`:P`
`18:59.26`	`Bounty`	`u know what pisses me off the most?`
`18:59.32`	`RodOfNOD`	`sea lice?`
`18:59.32`	`Bounty`	`people watch that video i just linked`
`18:59.37`	`Bounty`	`and only say shit about WASD`
`18:59.41`	`Bounty`	`even though the video is 8 players`
`18:59.45`	`Bounty`	`and everyone is having fun`
`18:59.48`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`18:59.53`	`Bounty`	`god forbid u notice taht!`
`19:00.05`	`Vail`	`is there away to switch player controls from one team to another say i started controlling red than i wanted to control blue?`
`19:00.08`	`Bounty`	`AND, how the fuck do u see delay in a video?`
`19:00.11`	`JManV\|Work`	`the devil's in the details, bounty`
`19:00.19`	`Bounty`	`u cant see delay in a video`
`19:00.25`	`Skittles`	`"Due to useless and spamming topics by new members, we have decided to make a trial period of 3 days before new members can create threads. During this time you're free to reply in existing threads."`
`19:00.28`	`JManV\|Work`	`ah yezx`
`19:00.29`	`Skittles`	`fuck u team liquid`
`19:00.37`	`Bounty`	`i had to do that Skitt`
`19:00.38`	`Bounty`	`enjoy`
`19:00.40`	`Bounty`	`lolol`
`19:00.42`	`Skittles`	`=(`
`19:00.49`	`Bounty`	`its a LOOOONg 3 days`
`19:00.50`	`JManV\|Work`	`told ya`
`19:00.50`	`Bounty`	`trust me`
`19:00.53`	`JManV\|Work`	`TL is snobs`
`19:01.01`	`Skittles`	`lol`
`19:01.01`	`RodOfNOD`	`i like it when u shoot urself`
`19:01.07`	`JManV\|Work`	`they get spammed like what so it's hard not to be`
`19:01.08`	`Skittles`	`at least make a cache instead u know..`
`19:01.12`	`Skittles`	`those stupid fill in word things`
`19:01.16`	`Bounty`	`with the discs rod?`
`19:01.17`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`19:01.18`	`JManV\|Work`	`but they act like they don't value their members`
`19:01.19`	`RodOfNOD`	`yes`
`19:01.29`	`RodOfNOD`	`i think it looks great for what it is`
`19:01.30`	`JManV\|Work`	`and that's not right`
`19:01.37`	`RodOfNOD`	`i just not a fan of that kind of game :P`
`19:01.47`	`Bounty`	`yeah that i can understand`
`19:02.02`	`Bounty`	`i just happen to love chaotic games`
`19:02.06`	`Bounty`	`><`
`19:02.22`	`JManV\|Work`	`i prefer to stick to the things that sc2 is good at`
`19:02.37`	`Skittles`	`minecraft?`
`19:02.37`	`RodOfNOD`	`what exactly would that be jmanv? hehe`
`19:02.37`	`Skittles`	`lol`
`19:02.45`	`JManV\|Work`	`there's lot of things`
`19:02.50`	`Skittles`	`lol u know what`
`19:02.54`	`Bounty`	`SC2 is good at everything imo`
`19:02.55`	`Skittles`	`we could make minesweep`
`19:02.57`	`JManV\|Work`	`WASD and first-person modes are it`
`19:02.59`	`Skittles`	`using spider mines`
`19:03.00`	`Skittles`	`Xd`
`19:03.03`	`JManV\|Work`	`aren't it`
`19:03.03`	`Bounty`	`Its just the keypress delay`
`19:03.06`	`Skittles`	`be a good mini game i gues`
`19:03.15`	`Bounty`	`im tellin ya`
`19:03.21`	`Bounty`	`im gonna be like the only one with wasd content`
`19:03.23`	`Bounty`	`if they ever fix it`
`19:03.25`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`19:03.30`	`JManV\|Work`	`i never liked wasd to being with`
`19:03.31`	`Bounty`	`and thats not good!`
`19:03.31`	`RodOfNOD`	`so why cant u use commandcard instead of wasd bounty?`
`19:03.33`	`JManV\|Work`	`in any game`
`19:03.46`	`Skittles`	`if they fix it almost every game would have wasd bounty..`
`19:03.47`	`Bounty`	`why would i do that Rod?`
`19:03.52`	`RodOfNOD`	`no lag?`
`19:04.05`	`Bounty`	`yeah but then i have a huge useless UI bar`
`19:04.07`	`Skittles`	`u don't need command cards to use smart command rod`
`19:04.08`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`19:04.12`	`RodOfNOD`	`well 1.2 u wont have that`
`19:04.20`	`JManV\|Work`	`yeah`
`19:04.21`	`JManV\|Work`	`new patch`
`19:04.28`	`JManV\|Work`	`you can customize UI`
`19:04.31`	`RodOfNOD`	`1.2 will solve ur big usless ui bar`
`19:04.36`	`Bounty`	`is progammers wasd REALLY lagless?`
`19:04.40`	`Skittles`	`yeah.. im not sure how I feel about that tho`
`19:04.41`	`JManV\|Work`	`coming very soon`
`19:04.43`	`Bounty`	`i mean`
`19:04.44`	`Bounty`	`he posted it`
`19:04.46`	`Skittles`	`since I already made my ui`
`19:04.47`	`Bounty`	`and i never heard much about it`
`19:04.48`	`Skittles`	`=*(`
`19:05.06`	`Skittles`	`bounty no it's not lagless`
`19:05.12`	`Skittles`	`and it's only 4 directional`
`19:05.17`	`Skittles`	`it just has less lag then urs`
`19:05.17`	`Bounty`	`then there is no point`
`19:05.29`	`Bounty`	`mine only has around 0.2-0.5 delay now`
`19:05.30`	`Skittles`	`I did the same thing as progammer b4 he did it actually`
`19:05.32`	`Skittles`	`for tron`
`19:05.36`	`Bounty`	`so i dont think its to bad`
`19:05.46`	`Bounty`	`u know whats funny`
`19:05.51`	`Skittles`	`but i did it with using the spell cast as a event`
`19:05.53`	`Bounty`	`Call of Duty has the same amount of delay if not more lol`
`19:05.56`	`Bounty`	`But you just dont see it`
`19:05.59`	`Bounty`	`Until you watch taht killcam`
`19:06.09`	`Skittles`	`no.`
`19:06.10`	`Bounty`	`and u say wtf i was shooting the guy for 5 minutes`
`19:06.16`	`Bounty`	`and it doesnt show u shooting`
`19:06.22`	`Skittles`	`That would be hit box lag anyway bounty.`
`19:06.23`	`Bounty`	`yes Skit`
`19:06.26`	`Skittles`	`something u cant see`
`19:06.36`	`Skittles`	`and I rock at cod and never had that issue.`
`19:06.39`	`Bounty`	`just because ur moving smoothly on ur screen doesnt mean ur moving that smoothly on the servers`
`19:06.44`	`Skittles`	`brb ima get some food`
`19:07.18`	`JManV\|Work`	`see, i play COD with an XBox controller because WASD sucks`
`19:07.45`	`JManV\|Work`	`i know mouse point is more accurate and all...`
`19:08.01`	`JManV\|Work`	`but i'm just not a fan of WASD`
`19:08.02`	`JManV\|Work`	`ever`
`19:08.08`	`Bounty`	`I remember someone ACTUALLY tried to argue with me that console controllers were better for shooters`
`19:08.22`	`JManV\|Work`	`they're better for movement`
`19:08.25`	`JManV\|Work`	`not for shooting`
`19:08.32`	`JManV\|Work`	`WASD is very awkward for movement`
`19:08.38`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Gohla (~Gohla@53543F60.cm-6-5a.dynamic.ziggo.nl)`
`19:08.39`	`Bounty`	`maybe for u`
`19:08.41`	`Bounty`	`not for me lol`
`19:08.57`	`JManV\|Work`	`well, i haven't been playing WASD shooters for forever`
`19:09.03`	`JManV\|Work`	`so it's a big adjustment`
`19:09.06`	`Bounty`	`either have i`
`19:09.15`	`Bounty`	`i almost never play PC shooters`
`19:09.19`	`JManV\|Work`	`i just never cared for it`
`19:09.27`	`Bounty`	`its something u have to adjust to`
`19:09.28`	`JManV\|Work`	`even on AvP, which i loved`
`19:09.35`	`Bounty`	`shit i remember i used to use the arrow keys for shooters`
`19:09.37`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`19:09.41`	`Bounty`	`now THAT is wierd`
`19:09.45`	`JManV\|Work`	`it is`
`19:10.05`	`JManV\|Work`	`the keyboard just isn't optimized for that kind of thing`
`19:10.11`	`JManV\|Work`	`it's optimized for typing`
`19:10.30`	`JManV\|Work`	`but i digress`
`19:10.41`	`JManV\|Work`	`gets off his high-hourse`
`19:10.56`	`JManV\|Work`	`they have their merit`
`19:11.31`	`JManV\|Work`	`really, i think consoles have stole the market for almost every type of game except strategy`
`19:13.45`	`JManV\|Work`	`you just can't do everything you need to in a strategy game with a console controller`
`19:13.53`	`JManV\|Work`	`although, i though halo wars was quite good`
`19:14.10`	`JManV\|Work`	`they did some real smart UI for that game`
`19:14.17`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Computerpunk (~Computerp@85.186.122.45)`
`19:14.32`	`JManV\|Work`	`but controlling less that all of your units was a bit of a chore`
`19:15.07`	`Bibendus\|AFK`	`is now away - Reason : Auto-Away after 30 minutes`
`19:15.48`	`JManV\|Work`	`everyone went quiet...`
`19:16.10`	`Skittles`	`back`
`19:16.14`	`Skittles`	`cause i left they did!`
`19:16.30`	`Skittles`	`when did bib even get on`
`19:16.44`	`JManV\|Work`	`dunno`
`19:16.49`	`JManV\|Work`	`probably been idle for a while`
`19:17.00`	`JManV\|Work`	`i'm supposed the home version of me isn't still on`
`19:17.03`	`JManV\|Work`	`surprised`
`19:17.30`	`JManV\|Work`	`"and as a consolation, you get to take home the home version of JManV!"`
`19:17.43`	`JManV\|Work`	`"awwwww :("`
`19:17.52`	`JManV\|Work`	`"do i have to?"`
`19:18.11`	`JManV\|Work`	`man, i'm clearly working hard`
`19:18.45`	`Skittles`	`lol`
`19:18.46`	`RodOfNOD`	`i have a great solution for lagless wasd`
`19:18.54`	`Bounty`	`what is that`
`19:19.01`	`Skittles`	`even talking to yourself jman`
`19:19.04`	`JManV\|Work`	`but, if i work to my maximum potential, then people will start to expect that`
`19:19.09`	`JManV\|Work`	`i can't have that`
`19:19.10`	`Skittles`	`me too rod`
`19:19.12`	`RodOfNOD`	`just start ur map off saying that everyone is in a timewarp and that it takes a small fraction of a second from the time you fire to it actually firing :>`
`19:19.13`	`Skittles`	`wait for blizz to fix it`
`19:19.24`	`RodOfNOD`	`hehe`
`19:19.43`	`RodOfNOD`	`ie its a feature not a bug`
`19:19.53`	`RodOfNOD`	`works for microsoft so.....`
`19:19.55`	`JManV\|Work`	`i don't think people are gonna buy that`
`19:20.00`	`RodOfNOD`	`sure they will`
`19:20.02`	`JManV\|Work`	`does it?`
`19:20.02`	`RodOfNOD`	`people are dumb`
`19:20.28`	`Skittles`	`lol I don't think microsoft said something about a timewarp.`
`19:20.30`	`RodOfNOD`	`so i need help`
`19:20.36`	`JManV\|Work`	`indeed they are dumb`
`19:20.37`	`RodOfNOD`	`its simple yet hard`
`19:20.59`	`RodOfNOD`	`i need a way to display debug text that isnt known before hand.... iknow hard toexplain`
`19:21.00`	`Bounty`	`maybe i should make Doodad Hunt 2 today`
`19:21.01`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`19:21.07`	`Skittles`	`That's what I told my gf. It's simple yet hard.`
`19:21.11`	`Bounty`	`since i dont have enough testers atm for Underworld`
`19:21.15`	`RodOfNOD`	`an exampleof this would be outputing CHAT to the debug message`
`19:21.24`	`RodOfNOD`	`i need a DIFFERENT way to do this`
`19:21.28`	`Dustin`	`huh wha`
`19:21.38`	`RodOfNOD`	`hi dustin`
`19:21.41`	`Dustin`	`sup`
`19:21.46`	`JManV\|Work`	`so libraries aren't really independant, are they?`
`19:21.56`	`Bounty`	`Ok guys`
`19:21.57`	`Bounty`	`Question`
`19:21.58`	`JManV\|Work`	`like, they're stored as part of the map, right?`
`19:22.05`	`Bounty`	`WHY was this map so popular`
`19:22.06`	`Bounty`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRl24a3sdX4&feature=related`
`19:22.13`	`Bounty`	`to this day i cant figure it out`
`19:22.14`	`RodOfNOD`	`correct jmanv unless its a mod`
`19:22.16`	`Bounty`	`it used wasd`
`19:22.17`	`JManV\|Work`	`not as an external resource you can use from more than one map`
`19:22.18`	`Bounty`	`and nobody complained`
`19:22.27`	`RodOfNOD`	`idk`
`19:22.29`	`RodOfNOD`	`it was beta?`
`19:22.31`	`Bounty`	`so clearly when it comes down to it, wasd is not a hinderance`
`19:22.32`	`RodOfNOD`	`who knows`
`19:23.26`	`JManV\|Work`	`does it really speak for itself?`
`19:23.27`	`Bounty`	`u know what would be the solution to the main issue with doodad hunt?`
`19:23.29`	`Gohla`	`It was fun until everyone knwe every spot in the map :p`
`19:23.35`	`Bounty`	`which was the camera`
`19:23.39`	`JManV\|Work`	`cuz i have no idea what the gameplay is`
`19:23.46`	`Bounty`	`and ive thought about this incase i make doodad hunt 2`
`19:23.48`	`Bounty`	`SCALE :)`
`19:23.54`	`Bounty`	`less doodad count but bigger doodads`
`19:24.03`	`Bounty`	`more realistic`
`19:24.09`	`Dustin`	`Doodad hunt reminds me of Jedi Knight hacking`
`19:24.09`	`Bounty`	`agree?`
`19:24.09`	`Skittles`	`i almost choked on a taco`
`19:24.18`	`Dustin`	`I remember making a gun that turned me into anything I shot lol`
`19:24.24`	`Skittles`	`doodad hunt 2?`
`19:24.28`	`Bounty`	`yeah`
`19:24.29`	`Skittles`	`u had different maps toh?`
`19:24.36`	`Bounty`	`toh?`
`19:24.39`	`Skittles`	`tho*`
`19:24.40`	`RodOfNOD`	`too?`
`19:24.42`	`Dustin`	`So Id shoot a column and just sit there and people whould just run by and I'd shoot em muhah`
`19:24.56`	`Bounty`	`i announced doodad hunt 2 awhile ago and i re released the original`
`19:24.59`	`Bounty`	`but it got nothing`
`19:25.11`	`Bounty`	`the original Doodad Hunt had 4 map layouts`
`19:25.14`	`Bounty`	`on rotation`
`19:25.29`	`Skittles`	`oh it was on the same map?`
`19:25.34`	`Bounty`	`yeah`
`19:25.38`	`Bounty`	`well`
`19:25.38`	`Bounty`	`no`
`19:25.43`	`Skittles`	`ha see`
`19:25.44`	`Bounty`	`i would have to manually rotate them`
`19:25.47`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`19:25.59`	`JManV\|Work`	`why is the library section of my trigger editor so laggy?`
`19:26.03`	`Skittles`	`im keeping ur video playing for the music.`
`19:26.04`	`JManV\|Work`	`is that normal?`
`19:26.10`	`Bounty`	`i should just make a quick doodad hunt 2`
`19:26.12`	`Skittles`	`idk never been there b4`
`19:26.18`	`Bounty`	`and i bet u it would be on page 1`
`19:26.26`	`Bounty`	`and that... kinda makes me mad :)`
`19:26.36`	`Skittles`	`doodad hunt was never on front page right?`
`19:26.40`	`Bounty`	`yes it was`
`19:26.48`	`Bounty`	`it got to first page within a day lol`
`19:26.56`	`Bounty`	`the HONEST way`
`19:26.59`	`Bounty`	`no bumping`
`19:27.12`	`Skittles`	`@.@`
`19:27.18`	`Skittles`	`u bumped a map b4?`
`19:27.29`	`Bounty`	`the only map i ever bumped was Ling Ling Rocket`
`19:27.58`	`RodOfNOD`	`JManV\|Work yes i have the same issue`
`19:28.05`	`Bounty`	`really dont know why taht wasnt popular either`
`19:28.08`	`JManV\|Work`	`it's annoying`
`19:28.12`	`RodOfNOD`	`yep`
`19:28.14`	`JManV\|Work`	`i right click and it takes like 20 seconds`
`19:28.16`	`Bounty`	`ppl couldnt grasp the simple mechanic of PLACING fucking arrows`
`19:28.23`	`RodOfNOD`	`well try rebooting`
`19:28.26`	`RodOfNOD`	`that seemed to help`
`19:28.43`	`JManV\|Work`	`hmmm`
`19:28.52`	`JManV\|Work`	`computer's only been up for 13 days :P`
`19:29.14`	`JManV\|Work`	`it's routinely up for 60`
`19:29.22`	`RodOfNOD`	`could be blizzard not ur comp`
`19:29.30`	`RodOfNOD`	`bad memory management`
`19:29.52`	`JManV\|Work`	`i think it has to read a file or something`
`19:29.54`	`JManV\|Work`	`every time`
`19:29.59`	`RodOfNOD`	`could be`
`19:30.28`	`JManV\|Work`	`even left selecting something takes about 5 seconds`
`19:30.32`	`JManV\|Work`	`which seems excessive`
`19:30.36`	`JManV\|Work`	`maybe it is me`
`19:30.40`	`RodOfNOD`	`its not that bad for me`
`19:31.19`	`JManV\|Work`	`well, maybe 2-3 seconds, but it feels long`
`19:31.23`	`JManV\|Work`	`because it just a select`
`19:31.27`	`JManV\|Work`	`it should be instant`
`19:32.59`	`Skittles`	`http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/project-workplace/16007-corpse-master-changed-from-the-departed/#p11+`
`19:33.04`	`Skittles`	`http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/project-workplace/16007-corpse-master-changed-from-the-departed/#p11`
`19:33.08`	`Skittles`	`somebody pump that`
`19:33.09`	`Skittles`	`=D`
`19:33.10`	`Skittles`	`bump`
`19:36.28`	`Bounty`	`whats the easiest way to make it so you can jump up or jump off cliffs`
`19:37.39`	`Skittles`	`who knows.`
`19:37.44`	`Skittles`	`It's not hard.`
`19:37.49`	`Skittles`	`But it's not easy`
`19:37.54`	`Bounty`	`then its hard`
`19:37.57`	`Bounty`	`if its not easy`
`19:37.58`	`Skittles`	`cuz blizz failed on the trigger part`
`19:37.59`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`19:38.22`	`Bounty`	`what about the cliff jumper mover?`
`19:38.24`	`Skittles`	`making a unit ignore terrain height on the fly doesn't work unless you tell the unit to move`
`19:38.28`	`Skittles`	`so u can't use move instantly`
`19:38.41`	`Skittles`	`idk I hear a lot of bad things about his mover`
`19:38.51`	`Skittles`	`but sure go for it`
`19:38.58`	`Skittles`	`I think jman knows data`
`19:39.07`	`Skittles`	`but maybe he's actually working for once`
`19:39.12`	`JManV\|Work`	`i'm not great with data`
`19:39.17`	`JManV\|Work`	`but i know a few things`
`19:39.26`	`Bounty`	`wouldnt ignore terrain height work though?`
`19:39.27`	`Skittles`	`then u know more then me.`
`19:39.28`	`Skittles`	`lol`
`19:39.43`	`JManV\|Work`	`there's a behavior that reapers have`
`19:40.06`	`JManV\|Work`	`or you can use the colossus mover if you want the unit to walk up cliffs instead of jump`
`19:40.25`	`Bounty`	`i want it to be like a real jump`
`19:40.26`	`Bounty`	`not like`
`19:40.26`	`JManV\|Work`	`and no skittles: anything but work :)`
`19:40.30`	`Bounty`	`they get close to a cliff`
`19:40.33`	`Bounty`	`and auto jump it`
`19:40.34`	`Skittles`	`yeps`
`19:40.37`	`JManV\|Work`	`oh`
`19:40.45`	`Skittles`	`i want ur job now jman`
`19:40.49`	`Skittles`	`what do u do?`
`19:40.51`	`JManV\|Work`	`check out the reaper behavior`
`19:40.51`	`Skittles`	`how much do u get paid?`
`19:40.53`	`JManV\|Work`	`IT`
`19:41.00`	`JManV\|Work`	`enough :P`
`19:41.22`	`JManV\|Work`	`i actually create enough value at my job to easily merit my wage`
`19:41.25`	`Bounty`	`ok Jmanv u need to be more helpful then that :)`
`19:41.28`	`Bounty`	`i dont know shit about data`
`19:41.31`	`Bounty`	`so im looking at the behavior`
`19:41.35`	`Bounty`	`and i dont see anything i understand`
`19:41.36`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`19:41.42`	`JManV\|Work`	`hmm`
`19:41.52`	`JManV\|Work`	`well, there's a couple things there`
`19:41.58`	`JManV\|Work`	`there's the jump up mover`
`19:42.07`	`JManV\|Work`	`which is think is what you're interested in`
`19:42.15`	`Skittles`	`http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1012&t=63490`
`19:42.17`	`Bounty`	`is that new?`
`19:42.20`	`JManV\|Work`	`i'm not sure how to make it like an ability ot whatnot`
`19:42.21`	`Skittles`	`look where that is and what the topic name is`
`19:42.24`	`Bounty`	`i dont remember seeing a jump up mover`
`19:43.10`	`Vail`	`there is a jump up mover in the game but blizzard switched to using the jump down mover twice for the behavior`
`19:43.20`	`JManV\|Work`	`skittles: plus its the day before vacation, i don't think anyone here is focused on work`
`19:43.25`	`Skittles`	`lol`
`19:43.25`	`JManV\|Work`	`oh yeah`
`19:43.26`	`Vail`	`asthetics i believe`
`19:43.27`	`JManV\|Work`	`down`
`19:43.33`	`Skittles`	`yeah ill be gone from tomorrow to sunday night btw`
`19:43.35`	`JManV\|Work`	`that's what i meant bounty`
`19:43.38`	`Skittles`	`grandparents house. XD`
`19:43.58`	`JManV\|Work`	`that minecraft topic is funny tho`
`19:44.21`	`Skittles`	`yeah lol`
`19:44.26`	`JManV\|Work`	`the mover is what will do the jump`
`19:44.27`	`Skittles`	`i read most of the comments`
`19:44.32`	`JManV\|Work`	`i'm not sure how you'll trigger it tho`
`19:44.44`	`Skittles`	`funny how he caused him out and mod edited the post saying that's also against the rules`
`19:45.29`	`RodOfNOD`	`:P`
`19:45.36`	`Bounty`	`ok well`
`19:45.39`	`Bounty`	`im not making a jump`
`19:45.40`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`19:45.41`	`Bounty`	`fuck it`
`19:45.42`	`JManV\|Work`	`some people don't have paypal accounts?`
`19:45.47`	`Bounty`	`i dont know anything about this crap ><`
`19:45.47`	`RodOfNOD`	`i dont`
`19:45.48`	`JManV\|Work`	`sign up for one!`
`19:46.05`	`JManV\|Work`	`this guy saying he can't buy minecraft`
`19:46.10`	`JManV\|Work`	`because he don't have paypal`
`19:46.17`	`RodOfNOD`	`if u cant afford tobuy a game at $10 then uc ant afford to run the electricy for your computer`
`19:46.21`	`JManV\|Work`	`bounty: sad to say, but did you do a search?`
`19:46.31`	`Bounty`	`a search on what?`
`19:46.35`	`JManV\|Work`	`jump`
`19:46.36`	`Bounty`	`u said its data`
`19:46.38`	`Bounty`	`right?`
`19:46.44`	`JManV\|Work`	`someone's made a jump ability`
`19:46.58`	`JManV\|Work`	`yeah, you should be able to do it all in data`
`19:47.09`	`Bounty`	`yeah`
`19:47.11`	`Bounty`	`thats the problme`
`19:47.13`	`Bounty`	`i dont know data`
`19:47.16`	`Bounty`	`:)`
`19:47.22`	`JManV\|Work`	`you really should learn`
`19:47.32`	`JManV\|Work`	`it's not hard to follow a tutorial`
`19:47.40`	`JManV\|Work`	`you'll get the hang of it eventually`
`19:47.42`	`RodOfNOD`	`grrrrrr`
`19:47.46`	`JManV\|Work`	`i hated data at first`
`19:47.48`	`Bounty`	`i dont see any tutorials on this`
`19:47.51`	`JManV\|Work`	`and i'm still not great with it`
`19:47.52`	`JManV\|Work`	`no?`
`19:48.10`	`RodOfNOD`	`just play the van halen song JUMP and it will all fix itself`
`19:48.53`	`JManV\|Work`	`http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/tutorials/10489-data-trigger-missile-based-jumping/`
`19:49.24`	`JManV\|Work`	`he doesn't explain the data well tho...`
`19:50.08`	`Bounty`	`i mean really`
`19:50.13`	`Bounty`	`couldnt u just use ignore terrian height lol`
`19:50.48`	`JManV\|Work`	`well, what i'm seeing is`
`19:51.00`	`JManV\|Work`	`you can teleport the unit`
`19:51.04`	`JManV\|Work`	`make it invisible`
`19:51.08`	`JManV\|Work`	`and show a missile`
`19:51.12`	`JManV\|Work`	`that is the unit`
`19:51.16`	`JManV\|Work`	`or something like that`
`19:51.25`	`Hisui_`	`http://www.finextra.com/news/fullstory.aspx?newsitemid=22124`
`19:51.29`	`Bounty`	`that wouldnt work for third person`
`19:51.32`	`Hisui_`	`Seriously... you can't make this shit up`
`19:52.09`	`JManV\|Work`	`well, maybe you can make the unit the missile?`
`19:52.34`	`JManV\|Work`	`hahah`
`19:52.39`	`JManV\|Work`	`they'll still find one`
`19:55.45`	`JManV\|Work`	`that just seems like a waste of resources`
`19:55.52`	`JManV\|Work`	`not that domain names cost a lot`
`19:56.00`	`JManV\|Work`	`because what does it really stop?`
`19:56.29`	`JManV\|Work`	`stupid trigger editor won't open!`
`19:57.05`	`JManV\|Work`	`rather, it is open, and it won't show up on the screen`
`19:57.40`	`JManV\|Work`	`ok, time to close the editor`
`19:57.46`	`JManV\|Work`	`it's being a real bitch`
`19:59.11`	`JManV\|Work`	`omgh`
`19:59.19`	`JManV\|Work`	`everything i do in the editor is taking forever right now`
`19:59.26`	`JManV\|Work`	`just saving and closing`
`20:00.06`	`JManV\|Work`	`lovely`
`20:00.14`	`JManV\|Work`	`it's been saving for about 2 minutes now`
`20:03.00`	`JManV\|Work`	`i finally got it closed!`
`20:03.02`	`JManV\|Work`	`horrah!`
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`20:03.47`	`JManV\|Work`	`Sexin!`
`20:04.03`	`JManV\|Work`	`sup`
`20:07.39`	`JManV\|Work`	`or not`
`20:07.46`	`JManV\|Work`	`no one wants to talk to me today`
`20:08.01`	`JManV\|Work`	`work is boring! everyone's on vacation!`
`20:10.42`	`JManV\|Work`	`so i have some dialog code that i want to move into a library`
`20:10.55`	`JManV\|Work`	`but it uses a ton of different constants`
`20:11.02`	`JManV\|Work`	`so i need to move those into the library too`
`20:11.27`	`JManV\|Work`	`but when i do so, it's still trying to refer to the constants in on the map, not the library`
`20:11.56`	`JManV\|Work`	`any way around this?`
`20:12.10`	`JManV\|Work`	`it would take forever to reassign all those variables`
`20:13.46`	`JManV\|Work`	`it won't even save, because the variables are declared after they are used`
`20:19.14`	`RodOfNOD`	`hehe`
`20:19.18`	`RodOfNOD`	`i feel ur pain jman`
`20:19.25`	`RodOfNOD`	`my suggestion which might work i`
`20:19.26`	`RodOfNOD`	`is`
`20:19.32`	`RodOfNOD`	`put all ur stuff into a folder FIRST`
`20:19.37`	`RodOfNOD`	`then drag it up to the library`
`20:19.39`	`RodOfNOD`	`or copy and paste`
`20:19.44`	`JManV\|Work`	`hmm`
`20:20.04`	`RodOfNOD`	`ihave had issues however such as u are experiencing`
`20:20.25`	`JManV\|Work`	`yeah, it doesn't like upgrading something to a library very much`
`20:20.33`	`RodOfNOD`	`nope`
`20:20.41`	`JManV\|Work`	`which is a pretty common programming task`
`20:20.56`	`JManV\|Work`	`you never really know for sure when something is going to need to be a library`
`20:21.02`	`JManV\|Work`	`sometimes you do`
`20:21.40`	`JManV\|Work`	`have you done anything where a library depends on another library?`
`20:22.36`	`JManV\|Work`	`it should work as long as their in order, right?`
`20:23.24`	`Stewox`	`does anyone have idea how to import galaxy script into a map and so it overwrites the existing one and the new scripts get UIed , cause there seems to be some very hard lockdown of the MapScript.galaxy file , it's a stupid thing you can't edit it manually`
`20:23.30`	`JManV\|Work`	`dammit, it didn't covert any of the code calls over, eight`
`20:23.32`	`JManV\|Work`	`either`
`20:25.14`	`JManV\|Work`	`what a mess`
`20:25.24`	`JManV\|Work`	`now i have two copies of everything`
`20:28.51`	`JManV\|Work`	`i hate that it even allows two objects with the same name in the first place`
`20:29.03`	`JManV\|Work`	`that's so error prone`
`20:29.26`	`JManV\|Work`	`you can even have a global and a local variable with the same name`
`20:29.31`	`JManV\|Work`	`bad bad bad blizzard`
`20:31.00`	`Stewox`	`it's case sensetive`
`20:31.13`	`JManV\|Work`	`variables?`
`20:31.20`	`Stewox`	`anything in the code`
`20:31.36`	`JManV\|Work`	`well, i'm not talking about custom script`
`20:31.38`	`Stewox`	`var ? 1`
`20:31.43`	`Stewox`	`Var = 1`
`20:31.51`	`Stewox`	`not a same variable`
`20:32.14`	`JManV\|Work`	`you can create a local variable with the same name as a global`
`20:32.17`	`JManV\|Work`	`case an everything`
`20:32.21`	`JManV\|Work`	`in the GUI at least`
`20:32.24`	`Stewox`	`doesn't matter , everything is galaxy code in raw form`
`20:32.44`	`JManV\|Work`	`yeah, so it does lv_var vs gv_var`
`20:33.01`	`JManV\|Work`	`but in the GUI, it's easy to confuse the two if you're not paying attention`
`20:33.06`	`JManV\|Work`	`far too easy`
`20:33.36`	`JManV\|Work`	`and i can't think of a single programming language that allows something like that`
`20:33.40`	`Stewox`	`if it permits globabls and locals separate it's another thing but i doubt it in galaxy code , some low level programming langs do permit , but this is a scripting lang only`
`20:34.22`	`Stewox`	`you see it as a same name because it's inside UIed editor , it's exactly how you said in the raw code , for example globalvariable_var localvariable_var`
`20:34.25`	`JManV\|Work`	`no, i galaxy code, a local variable called "var" would be "lv_var", while the global would be "gv_var"`
`20:34.44`	`Stewox`	`if that's so then you answerd the question your self :)`
`20:34.44`	`JManV\|Work`	`that doesn't make it less easy to confuse`
`20:35.00`	`JManV\|Work`	`its a bad practice, and they shouldn't allow it`
`20:35.15`	`JManV\|Work`	`is what my point is`
`20:35.21`	`Stewox`	`are you suggesting that it's not lv_var and gv_var ?`
`20:35.27`	`Stewox`	`and it's just var and var`
`20:35.31`	`JManV\|Work`	`no`
`20:35.39`	`Stewox`	`you have to look into the galaxy script to see`
`20:35.58`	`Stewox`	`that'll sort everything`
`20:36.03`	`JManV\|Work`	`i'm saying if you try to create a local varaible with the same name as a global, in the GUI`
`20:36.11`	`JManV\|Work`	`it should stop you`
`20:36.21`	`Stewox`	`yeah , of course that's natural yes`
`20:36.26`	`JManV\|Work`	`because it just creates buggy code`
`20:36.27`	`Stewox`	`i agree`
`20:36.29`	`Bibendus\|AFK`	`the vid is approaching!`
`20:36.29`	`Bibendus`	`is no longer away : Gone for 1 hour 51 minutes 21 seconds`
`20:36.34`	`JManV\|Work`	`but it allows it`
`20:36.41`	`JManV\|Work`	`and i've done that on accident more than once`
`20:36.52`	`JManV\|Work`	`and generate bugs as a result`
`20:36.52`	`Stewox`	`yeah i will post on forums if they'll ever see`
`20:37.12`	`Stewox`	`there won't be bugs as you said it's gv_ and lv`
`20:37.22`	`Stewox`	`in reality`
`20:37.39`	`Stewox`	`but it may make bugs passively , because of the modders confusion`
`20:38.02`	`JManV\|Work`	`i only use the GUI`
`20:38.08`	`JManV\|Work`	`i started sorting by source to avoid this`
`20:38.14`	`JManV\|Work`	`it puts the locals at the bottom`
`20:38.18`	`JManV\|Work`	`no confusion`
`20:38.24`	`JManV\|Work`	`but it shouldn't allow it in the first place`
`20:38.27`	`JManV\|Work`	`all i'm saying`
`20:38.45`	`Stewox`	`well it could be allowed but it shuld be notified , the text should indicate and also an warning window when it happens`
`20:39.03`	`JManV\|Work`	`something like, yeah`
`20:39.12`	`JManV\|Work`	`i didn't even realize they had the same names`
`20:39.18`	`JManV\|Work`	`otherwise, i would have just changed the name`
`20:39.30`	`JManV\|Work`	`too many globals to begin with imo`
`20:39.43`	`JManV\|Work`	`only two scopes kind of sucks`
`20:40.57`	`JManV\|Work`	`but i digest :P`
`20:42.34`	`JManV\|Work`	`i need to tweak my debug library a little and publish it`
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`20:48.21`	`JManV\|Work`	`ofc`
`20:49.10`	`JManV\|Work`	`sup dark`
`20:49.42`	`Vail`	`whats up dark`
`20:55.34`	`Xapti`	`damn, I think SC2editor is preventing my monitor fromgiong off and screensaver from going on....`
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`20:55.55`	`Xapti`	`although this is a first, so maybe it's something else. I hardly have anything open though`
`20:56.23`	`Vail`	`yeah i notiched the terrain editor or something keeps the screensaver from coming on`
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`20:56.30`	`Xapti`	`don't have the terrain editor open`
`20:56.39`	`Xapti`	`I always keep it off now because it seems to memory leak now`
`20:56.40`	`Vail`	`previewer?`
`20:57.04`	`JManV\|Work`	`the terrain editor actually uses direct X`
`20:57.08`	`Xapti`	`I had the previewer open yesterday, but closed it long before getting off`
`20:57.30`	`Xapti`	`Terrain editor wasn't leaking for me for quite a while, but one day it randomly has started leaking it seems`
`20:57.33`	`JManV\|Work`	`you can't see the terrain preview over a remote desktop :P`
`20:57.37`	`Vail`	`i know its something about the editor keeps the screensaver from runing ..`
`20:58.11`	`Xapti`	`I've got a 22" CRT`
`20:58.26`	`JManV\|Work`	`CRT?!?!`
`20:58.29`	`JManV\|Work`	`i'm sorry...`
`20:58.34`	`JManV\|Work`	`that's got to be huge`
`20:58.36`	`Xapti`	`Flat screen CRT. I was a bit worried because the screen was wiggling a bit`
`20:58.44`	`Xapti`	`it's pretty huge yeah`
`20:59.02`	`Xapti`	`I really like the resolution and performance though`
`20:59.10`	`JManV\|Work`	`what res?`
`20:59.13`	`Xapti`	`got it free.... it was probably a 1000$ monitor`
`20:59.26`	`Xapti`	`it can do 2148x1536`
`20:59.33`	`JManV\|Work`	`wow, really?`
`20:59.41`	`JManV\|Work`	`i didn't think CRTs could go that high`
`20:59.52`	`Xapti`	`not too many could`
`20:59.56`	`Xapti`	`20"+ could`
`21:00.23`	`DarkRevenant`	`hmm`
`21:00.25`	`Xapti`	`or 19xx * 1440 was another`
`21:00.34`	`DarkRevenant`	`too bad CRTs literally do shoot radiation at you`
`21:00.45`	`JManV\|Work`	`my 24" only does 1920x1280`
`21:00.54`	`JManV\|Work`	`and take up way more power too`
`21:01.38`	`Vail`	`ack right now is a good time to back everything sc2 related up`
`21:01.51`	`JManV\|Work`	`why so?`
`21:02.11`	`Vail`	`im not using the editor`
`21:02.34`	`JManV\|Work`	`oh`
`21:02.40`	`JManV\|Work`	`i thought you meant for everyone`
`21:03.02`	`Vail`	`no but i would recommend it soon for every one`
`21:03.23`	`JManV\|Work`	`mine does auto backups`
`21:03.41`	`JManV\|Work`	`cuz i've lost too much work in the past`
`21:03.52`	`Vail`	`so does mine but i mean copying the map and mod folders over to an external drive`
`21:04.00`	`JManV\|Work`	`oh`
`21:04.27`	`JManV\|Work`	`i got a copy at work and home :P`
`21:04.47`	`Vail`	`nice`
`21:05.01`	`JManV\|Work`	`dammit`
`21:05.09`	`JManV\|Work`	`it does not like cross-library dependancies`
`21:05.15`	`JManV\|Work`	`which sucks a lot`
`21:05.59`	`JManV\|Work`	`they work fine, until you try to bring those libraries into another map`
`21:06.23`	`JManV\|Work`	`i'm really annoyed with that right now`
`21:06.29`	`Bibendus\|AFK`	`is now away - Reason : Auto-Away after 30 minutes`
`21:06.55`	`JManV\|Work`	`leaving work`
`21:06.59`	`JManV\|Work`	`lates peeps`
`21:07.11`	`DarkRevenant`	`hmm`
`21:10.36`	`Vail`	`buttered cat paradox...`
`21:16.46`	`Xapti`	`mmmmm buttered cat...`
`21:18.26`	`DarkRevenant`	`eat it`
`21:23.01`	`Xapti`	`hmm`
`21:23.49`	`Xapti`	`this is apparently the possible anniversary of the day chrismas began to be how it is now (commercialized or at least secular)`
`21:24.07`	`DarkRevenant`	`im getting`
`21:24.10`	`DarkRevenant`	`new domain for my site`
`21:24.15`	`DarkRevenant`	`lets see`
`21:24.19`	`DarkRevenant`	`how's`
`21:24.24`	`DarkRevenant`	`thecouncilofmages.com sound?`
`21:27.13`	`Xapti`	`what's it for`
`21:27.37`	`DarkRevenant`	`mah site`
`21:27.40`	`DarkRevenant`	`mah maps`
`21:27.55`	`Xapti`	`.net sounds a bit better`
`21:28.43`	`DarkRevenant`	`how come?`
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`21:29.01`	`onetwo`	`lolololol my map is on page 1 now`
`21:29.02`	`onetwo`	`so random`
`21:29.10`	`onetwo`	`now the pressure is on me to keep it updated ;(`
`21:29.19`	`DarkRevenant`	`which map`
`21:29.51`	`Xapti`	`there's been a lot of bad maps going on the top recently I noticed`
`21:29.52`	`onetwo`	`Prisoner rebellion`
`21:30.08`	`onetwo`	`people were asking for tag maps recently`
`21:30.15`	`onetwo`	`and randomly mine travelled up`
`21:30.22`	`Xapti`	`like that zombie defense map, then that solo tower defence game with no clipping and no preset difficulty`
`21:30.42`	`onetwo`	`LOL`
`21:30.44`	`onetwo`	`yeah i dont understand that`
`21:31.12`	`Xapti`	`then there's those tug games, but i know some people like those at least`
`21:31.18`	`onetwo`	`i personally dont`
`21:31.22`	`onetwo`	`id rather have floods of rpgs and tds`
`21:31.23`	`onetwo`	`than tugs`
`21:31.32`	`onetwo`	`i never even played a tug in war3 except highschool wars or w/e`
`21:31.40`	`onetwo`	`cause they were forgotten amidst the millions of good maps`
`21:31.42`	`onetwo`	`like dark deeds`
`21:31.43`	`onetwo`	`sheep tag`
`21:31.48`	`onetwo`	`zoators`
`21:31.49`	`onetwo`	`family guy maul`
`21:31.52`	`onetwo`	`all that fun stuff`
`21:31.53`	`onetwo`	`that blew your mind`
`21:32.28`	`DarkRevenant`	`hmm`
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`21:38.00`	`Vail`	`kaboom`
`21:38.07`	`Vail`	`mind=blown`
`21:39.34`	`Vail`	`looks like the PTR is down`
`21:39.39`	`Vail`	`eh well`
`21:40.45`	`Stewox`	`who's Mitja Mieskolainen`
`21:41.04`	`Stewox`	`ah never mind`
`21:41.29`	`onetwo`	`lol`
`21:42.02`	`Stewox`	`something facebok`
`21:42.05`	`Stewox`	`never mind`
`21:45.49`	`DarkRevenant`	`PTR?`
`21:49.51`	`Xapti`	`lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6k1B7rP590U`
`22:03.34`	`Vail`	`yeah blizz took it down yesterday it seems`
`22:03.46`	`Vail`	`the public test of the 1.2 patc`
`22:08.57`	`*** mode/#sc2mapster [+o Sixen] by ChanServ`
`22:12.30`	`greedape`	`The following program is presented to you by __WALLOFTEXT(tm)__, in cooperation with __oldschool storytelling (r)__ (ot to be taken too seriously.. not that it could be taken seriously either)`
`22:12.38`	`greedape`	At long last, i am back. but what happened `ere? for i see no signs of otixa or molester, spamming with intelligent stuff.. and yet, there is so much to tell, so much unheard of by the general masses.. truth is, it is i who deserted the community long long ago. but what the price? now, i see a land, rough and hostile, no signs of the spammy but happy sc2mapster chat i once knew.. did you
`22:12.38`	`greedape`	`think we had forgotten? did you think, we had forgiven? behold now, as the old gods arrive in anticipation of blizzards next move, as they advance at a slow, but steady pace, towards a better place for mappers and contributers to be around! The shattering is close.. soon, patch 1.2 may prove to me and any disbeliever that blizzard cares about their community... the community is what they`
`22:12.38`	`greedape`	`need to succeed against an evil far more dangerous than anyone of us could ever think of. as blizzardÂ´s community slowly crumbles, EA summons their forces and unleshes a storm of rage upon activision, weakening them even further. Now is the time for us to move, to prove that blizzard is not wrong with their decision to support the community. now is the time to stand united against the`
`22:12.38`	`greedape`	`legions of year-after-year recycling of gaming material, now is the time to fight against those who think gamers are too stupid to pick good games from the stores.. NOW is the time, for i will no longer sit back, blizzard made a move of repentance and i shall at least try not to make them feel their efforts were in vain.. A wild Author appears, and he might be ready to be captured again..`
`22:12.38`	`greedape`	`not by a pokeball, but by a great community and a platform where real effort has a chance to reach the community in a way he feels rewarded for his hard work.`
`22:20.49`	`Obatztrara`	`anyone bored? wanna test an rpg? (EU)`
`22:21.32`	`Vail`	`nice greedape`
`22:23.07`	`Vail`	`sorry for my late noticing it but i have been reading an actual intelligent forum discussion on Bnet`
`22:23.30`	`greedape`	`yeah well.. i AM kinda bored.. but that will cahnge in about 38 minutes.. hope i remember to go back to the community as soon as all the christmas stuff is over again`
`22:24.33`	`Vail`	`who cares a bout Christmass i want the new 1.2 patch darn it`
`22:24.46`	`greedape`	`i just read about patch 1.2 because.. i didnt play sc2 for quite some time now`
`22:25.02`	`Vail`	`i dont play at all really any more`
`22:25.04`	`greedape`	`was laughing as hell when i saw there was a public testrealm`
`22:25.14`	`Vail`	`i just make and test mods`
`22:25.42`	`Vail`	`there is no fun in the multiplayer for me so i dont even bother`
`22:26.00`	`greedape`	`mhh well, it is fun, but i dont have the time to play each day anymore`
`22:26.13`	`greedape`	`but still it bugs me when i see that i am an utter failure in a game i play`
`22:26.23`	`Vail`	`yes.`
`22:26.47`	`greedape`	`soo.. i quit.. and i quit doing maps because the outcome seemed obvious`
`22:27.10`	`greedape`	`fail at popularity system.. but i guess its getting better`
`22:27.31`	`Vail`	`i know my mods will never be played by others out side of test but i still have fun making them`
`22:27.43`	`greedape`	`that is quite the problem`
`22:28.37`	`Vail`	`yes. the poularity system and the lack of Lan as well are almost game killers for me.`
`22:28.56`	`greedape`	`im studying information technology, which pretty much already makes me do those programming stuffs all the time`
`22:29.31`	`Vail`	`i see.`
`22:30.03`	`greedape`	`feels weird to program one game for your prof. and then switch to sc2 to make a map`
`22:30.34`	`Vail`	`i bet`
`22:31.18`	`Bibendus\|AFK`	`!`
`22:31.18`	`Bibendus`	`is no longer away : Gone for 1 hour 54 minutes 49 seconds`
`22:31.20`	`Bibendus`	`fucking bugz`
`22:33.51`	`DarkRevenant`	`...`
`22:33.53`	`DarkRevenant`	`wat`
`22:34.04`	`Bibendus`	`bugz!`
`22:34.13`	`Vail`	`sqaush da bugz`
`22:34.15`	`Bibendus`	`my room selling is bugged a bit :\|`
`22:34.21`	`Vail`	`ah..`
`22:34.26`	`Bibendus`	`some actors stay on the ground instead of beeing destroyed`
`22:34.39`	`Vail`	`i am sure its fixable you are cool like that`
`22:34.44`	`Bibendus`	`but if i add enough wait between 1 sell and another it works`
`22:34.45`	`Bibendus`	`:\|`
`22:34.49`	`Bibendus`	`dunno`
`22:34.53`	`Bibendus`	`i sould like to use another variable`
`22:34.57`	`Bibendus`	`but i reached almost the limit`
`22:34.58`	`Bibendus`	`lol`
`22:35.41`	`greedape`	`are you not saving each actor in a variable before destroying it?`
`22:35.48`	`Bibendus`	`nope`
`22:35.51`	`Bibendus`	`can't cycle actors`
`22:35.56`	`Bibendus`	`and actor scopes don't work`
`22:36.09`	`Bibendus`	`so i made a trigger to remove actors i want from a tile`
`22:36.16`	`Bibendus`	`(i posted the tutorial on mapster)`
`22:36.28`	`greedape`	`mhh`
`22:36.40`	`Bibendus`	`timing is the key :\|`
`22:37.25`	`greedape`	`yeah great, im thinking in a programming matter even though im not good at it`
`22:37.30`	`Bibendus`	`stupid complex triggers :\|`
`22:39.01`	`greedape`	`id rather have access to the actual programming language used to buidl GUI.. then use variables AKA pointers to identify every single object of the actor type and then terminate those i do not want to survive..`
`22:39.33`	`greedape`	`kind.. like that stuff`
`22:39.44`	`Bibendus`	`u can't use xml`
`22:39.47`	`Bibendus`	`for programming xD`
`22:40.05`	`Bibendus`	`cmon fuck i just need to fix this bug`
`22:40.12`	`Bibendus`	`and i can prepare the video`
`22:40.26`	`greedape`	`they dont compile from xml, do they?`
`22:40.32`	`Bibendus`	`i don't think so`
`22:41.03`	`greedape`	`which is why the programming language used by blizz, some stupid c++ + ++++, might help more`
`22:41.29`	`Bibendus`	`thats kinda like c++`
`22:42.47`	`Bibendus`	`ah idea!`
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`22:43.22`	`greedape`	`no matter still, id rather save a bazillion actors in an actor array then destroy them with timing.. or whatever.. even if it means to shout at blizz to implement that`
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`22:44.51`	`Skittles`	`dustin u there`
`22:45.11`	`Dustin`	`sup`
`22:47.04`	`Dustin`	`Well Im headed home now, Ill be back on lata`
`22:48.36`	`Bibendus`	`can't do that`
`22:48.36`	`Bibendus`	`:D`
`22:48.41`	`Bibendus`	`no actor groups`
`22:48.43`	`Bibendus`	`and no more space`
`22:48.52`	`Bibendus`	`and arrays are limited to 8k size`
`22:49.41`	`Stewox`	`the popularity system is not the only thing`
`22:49.53`	`Stewox`	`it's something else`
`22:50.03`	`Stewox`	`the design of the battlenet`
`22:50.14`	`Stewox`	`im making a video on it now`
`22:50.22`	`Stewox`	`and`
`22:50.52`	`Stewox`	`it's the most annoying , most stupid , most consolized , flashy crappy xbox-lived , thing there is`
`22:51.13`	`Stewox`	`one and only , SHOW MORE button`
`22:51.25`	`Stewox`	`epic fail`
`22:51.47`	`Stewox`	`bnet 0.2`
`22:54.33`	`Bibendus`	`people fear buttons`
`22:54.36`	`*** join/#sc2mapster JManV (450e9a13@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.14.154.19)`
`22:54.46`	`JManV`	`why is HuK still playing CoH?`
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`22:55.30`	`Agouti`	`pew the pew pew`
`22:55.32`	`JManV`	`i'm very upset about this`
`22:55.36`	`Agouti`	`D:`
`22:55.39`	`Agouti`	`o noes`
`22:55.41`	`Agouti`	`:(`
`22:55.47`	`JManV`	`kicks JManV\|Work`
`22:55.57`	`JManV`	`nothing special agouti`
`22:56.00`	`Agouti`	`well that's not very nice`
`22:56.06`	`JManV`	`HuK is streaming CoH for some reason`
`22:56.08`	`Agouti`	`you're something special <3`
`22:56.20`	`Agouti`	`... wha?`
`22:56.24`	`Agouti`	`but`
`22:56.26`	`Agouti`	`CoH?`
`22:56.33`	`JManV`	`company of heroes or something`
`22:56.34`	`Agouti`	`silly huk`
`22:56.38`	`JManV`	`ikr`
`22:56.48`	`JManV`	`he's not allowed to play anything but SC`
`22:56.53`	`Agouti`	`one of my favourite players as well`
`22:56.55`	`JManV`	`he should know this`
`22:57.03`	`JManV`	`he's actually quite good at CoH`
`22:57.07`	`JManV`	`i haven't seen him lose yet`
`22:57.31`	`Agouti`	`CoH isn't that different in playstyle to sc2`
`22:57.37`	`JManV`	`he was just bitching about imbalance and lag tho`
`22:57.42`	`Agouti`	`haha`
`22:57.57`	`JManV`	`maybe the servers are down where he is`
`22:58.05`	`Agouti`	`I don't think CoH ever got balanced, tbh`
`22:58.08`	`JManV`	`cuz if he's bitching about it, why is he playing?`
`22:58.22`	`Agouti`	`hey I bitch about lag in sc2`
`22:58.40`	`Agouti`	`I mean it's still worth it`
`22:58.45`	`Agouti`	`but... yeah`
`22:59.06`	`JManV`	`but he's only allowed to play SC!`
`22:59.13`	`JManV`	`he's HuK ffs!`
`22:59.20`	`Agouti`	`haha`
`22:59.28`	`Agouti`	`man I watched like`
`22:59.35`	`Agouti`	`so many replays of huk when learning protoss`
`22:59.54`	`JManV`	`i watched him do some beastly stuff last night`
`23:00.02`	`Agouti`	`linky?`
`23:00.03`	`JManV`	`he dropped cannons to stop a zerg FE`
`23:00.07`	`JManV`	`it was awesome`
`23:00.10`	`Agouti`	`:o`
`23:00.14`	`JManV`	`http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/Liquid%60HuK`
`23:00.23`	`Agouti`	`ty`
`23:00.29`	`JManV`	`be dropped two cannons with a probe that had a sliver of health`
`23:00.41`	`JManV`	`then the replacement probe got there just in time`
`23:00.48`	`JManV`	`and that zerg never got that expansion`
`23:00.55`	`Agouti`	`oh, wasn't a replay?`
`23:01.05`	`JManV`	`oh no`
`23:01.10`	`JManV`	`i was watching the steam`
`23:01.10`	`Agouti`	`aw :(`
`23:01.15`	`Agouti`	`fair enouhg`
`23:01.17`	`JManV`	`wish i could get a replay of that`
`23:01.42`	`JManV`	`i thought you wanted the stream link. soryr`
`23:02.01`	`Agouti`	`it's ok, I forgive you -.o`
`23:02.30`	`JManV`	`i can't tell if they're winning because i don't know the game very well :P`
`23:02.49`	`JManV`	`i don't think his ally`
`23:02.55`	`JManV`	`'s as good as he is tho`
`23:05.22`	`JManV`	`brb`
`23:05.39`	`*** join/#sc2mapster JManV (450e9a13@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.14.154.19)`
`23:05.44`	`JManV`	`long time no see`
`23:16.59`	`*** join/#sc2mapster doite (51ebbb8e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.235.187.142)`
`23:17.51`	`doite`	`Hey guys`
`23:18.23`	`JManV`	`sup doite`
`23:18.35`	`doite`	`Nothing much`
`23:18.53`	`doite`	`Just figured out what my last semi hero should have as ability`
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`23:19.18`	`doite`	`Corruption.. its going to be a support hero, but i have to add some splash to it`
`23:19.21`	`JManV`	`facehug?`
`23:19.24`	`Bounty`	`Jman`
`23:19.26`	`Bounty`	`it didnt work`
`23:19.28`	`doite`	`nono`
`23:19.28`	`Bounty`	`just tested it :(`
`23:19.32`	`JManV`	`no?`
`23:19.34`	`Bounty`	`nope`
`23:19.37`	`Bounty`	`now`
`23:19.39`	`doite`	`20% - damage`
`23:19.41`	`*** join/#sc2mapster Dustin\| (Dustin@ip72-209-158-12.ks.ks.cox.net)`
`23:19.43`	`Bounty`	`someone told me something about 0.0 wait times`
`23:19.48`	`Bounty`	`what would they do?`
`23:20.07`	`JManV`	`they let a thread catch up with itself`
`23:20.17`	`Bounty`	`should i add them?`
`23:20.21`	`Bounty`	`to the fuctions`
`23:20.22`	`JManV`	`you can try`
`23:20.50`	`JManV`	`but i think your solution to lag lies in data, unfortunately :(`
`23:21.09`	`Bounty`	`where should i put the wait time?`
`23:21.29`	`JManV`	`hmmm`
`23:21.41`	`Bounty`	`in the trigger or at the top of the fuction that the trigger fires?`
`23:21.47`	`JManV`	`you don't have any loops... it is the loop`
`23:21.55`	`JManV`	`yeah, try the top`
`23:22.16`	`Bounty`	`like`
`23:22.20`	`Bounty`	`at the VERY top`
`23:22.23`	`Bounty`	`before the conditions?`
`23:22.29`	`JManV`	`no`
`23:22.33`	`JManV`	`not before the conditions`
`23:22.45`	`Bounty`	`ok so at the top after each condtion`
`23:22.55`	`JManV`	`each?`
`23:22.57`	`JManV`	`just once`
`23:23.01`	`JManV`	`after all the conditions`
`23:23.09`	`Bounty`	`how`
`23:23.12`	`Bounty`	`they are if thens`
`23:23.14`	`Bounty`	`i have to put it under one`
`23:23.15`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`23:23.19`	`JManV`	`oh`
`23:23.23`	`JManV`	`those conditions`
`23:23.36`	`JManV`	`the switch statement`
`23:23.36`	`JManV`	`before the switch`
`23:23.36`	`Bounty`	`oh`
`23:23.39`	`JManV`	`after the trigger conditions`
`23:23.41`	`Bounty`	`so in the trigger?`
`23:24.00`	`JManV`	`first line of the function is prolly the best place`
`23:24.08`	`JManV`	`now: might you, it prolly won`
`23:24.11`	`JManV`	`'t work anyways`
`23:24.18`	`JManV`	`but it's worth a shot`
`23:24.21`	`Bounty`	`never know`
`23:24.27`	`Bounty`	`i never had this issue with damage`
`23:24.32`	`Bounty`	`when i had wait times at the end`
`23:24.33`	`Bibendus\|AFK`	`is now away - Reason : Auto-Away after 30 minutes`
`23:24.37`	`Bounty`	`http://pastebin.com/0uDSubMv`
`23:24.39`	`Bounty`	`like that?`
`23:25.38`	`JManV`	`no`
`23:25.40`	`JManV`	`other function`
`23:25.44`	`Bounty`	`wtf`
`23:25.46`	`Bounty`	`what other fuctions?`
`23:25.47`	`JManV`	`sorry, that is the trigger`
`23:25.50`	`JManV`	`i forgot`
`23:25.52`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`23:25.53`	`Bounty`	`=P`
`23:25.57`	`Bounty`	`ok so NO wait times int he fucitons?`
`23:25.58`	`JManV`	`you didn't make another function`
`23:26.06`	`Bounty`	`no remember?`
`23:26.09`	`Bounty`	`we have the one trigger`
`23:26.10`	`JManV`	`no, then you'd have to add one to each function`
`23:26.11`	`Bounty`	`with the switches`
`23:26.18`	`Bounty`	`yeah`
`23:26.22`	`Bounty`	`thats what i thought i had to do`
`23:26.25`	`JManV`	`that's a pain`
`23:26.28`	`Bounty`	`no its not`
`23:26.30`	`Bounty`	`i already did it`
`23:26.32`	`Bounty`	`in like 10 seconds`
`23:26.33`	`Bounty`	`http://pastebin.com/WJJbQNKw`
`23:26.35`	`Bounty`	`thats another one`
`23:26.58`	`JManV`	`well, i'm under the assumption that you're going to have to remove them all too`
`23:27.08`	`JManV`	`if you already set it up, that's fine`
`23:27.14`	`Bounty`	`but thats correct right?`
`23:27.21`	`JManV`	`yeah`
`23:27.21`	`Bounty`	`in those pastebins`
`23:27.26`	`Bounty`	`before the conditions`
`23:27.44`	`JManV`	`yeah`
`23:27.50`	`JManV`	`the position isn't really relevant`
`23:27.53`	`JManV`	`so long as it happens`
`23:27.56`	`Bounty`	`kk`
`23:28.00`	`Bounty`	`and for the trigger`
`23:28.07`	`Bounty`	`sec pastebin is fuckign slow as hell for some reason`
`23:28.31`	`Bounty`	`http://pastebin.com/7x4swJnu`
`23:28.35`	`JManV`	`you don't need it in both`
`23:28.40`	`Bounty`	`should i put one in there at all?`
`23:29.07`	`JManV`	`no`
`23:29.13`	`Bounty`	`alrighty then`
`23:30.21`	`Dustin\|`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:30.41`	`Bounty`	`all the maps that are playable suck`
`23:30.49`	`Bounty`	`Show More ftw`
`23:31.28`	`JManV`	`zealot frenzy is kinda fun`
`23:31.39`	`JManV`	`phantom mode is fun`
`23:31.48`	`JManV`	`the map is awesome, it's the people that play it that suck`
`23:31.58`	`Dustin\|`	`Eh I dont like those kinds of maps`
`23:32.08`	`Dustin\|`	`I jsut want a good map to play when I dont feel like melee`
`23:32.29`	`JManV`	`fastest map possible? :P`
`23:32.39`	`Dustin\|`	`Lmfao`
`23:32.43`	`JManV`	`is that still around?`
`23:32.52`	`Dustin\|`	`I dont know, probably, I hated that`
`23:32.55`	`Dustin\|`	`with a passion`
`23:33.01`	`JManV`	`it was such a void ray spam fest`
`23:33.23`	`JManV`	`although, i did learn that max carriers beat max vrs`
`23:33.47`	`onetwo`	`hey`
`23:33.50`	`onetwo`	`i just got a map onto page 1`
`23:33.52`	`onetwo`	`you saying i suck?`
`23:33.55`	`onetwo`	`lol`
`23:34.01`	`Dustin\|`	`stfu you suck onetwo!`
`23:34.17`	`JManV`	`well, onetwo, yes... but not because of your map :P`
`23:34.27`	`JManV`	`no your awesome`
`23:34.29`	`onetwo`	`lol its so funny playing it too`
`23:34.31`	`Bounty`	`even i got a map onto page 1`
`23:34.39`	`JManV`	`half the people in here wouldn't know how to make maps if it weren't for you`
`23:34.41`	`Bounty`	`who hasnt?`
`23:34.42`	`Bounty`	`:)`
`23:34.44`	`onetwo`	`peoploe are like "well cops need an invis detector"... meanwhile on their command card is a spy drone observer ability`
`23:34.47`	`onetwo`	`people just suck`
`23:34.49`	`onetwo`	`in general`
`23:35.13`	`onetwo`	`bounty what are you talking about`
`23:35.15`	`onetwo`	`dont you have a map on page 1`
`23:35.16`	`onetwo`	`every week`
`23:35.17`	`onetwo`	`haha`
`23:35.25`	`JManV`	`what's the map?`
`23:35.26`	`Bounty`	`no way`
`23:35.30`	`onetwo`	`prisoner rebellion`
`23:35.31`	`Bounty`	`i had ONe map on page one`
`23:35.37`	`Bounty`	`like 3 months ago`
`23:35.39`	`onetwo`	`oh`
`23:35.40`	`onetwo`	`lol`
`23:35.43`	`Bounty`	`the rest made it to like page 50`
`23:35.56`	`onetwo`	`im hoping for 1.2 asap`
`23:36.04`	`onetwo`	`my maps are always large player maps and long ones`
`23:36.08`	`JManV`	`you sure you want your player code on that?`
`23:36.12`	`onetwo`	`yeah`
`23:36.18`	`onetwo`	`its on my youtube too`
`23:36.20`	`JManV`	`suit yourself`
`23:36.22`	`onetwo`	`everywhere`
`23:36.32`	`JManV`	`you don't get spammed?`
`23:36.35`	`onetwo`	`nope`
`23:36.42`	`JManV`	`lucky :P`
`23:36.42`	`onetwo`	`youd be surprised how much people dont read`
`23:36.46`	`Bounty`	`how pro are you at triggers onetwo?`
`23:36.50`	`onetwo`	`thats my speciality area`
`23:36.52`	`Bounty`	`i got quite the challenge for u`
`23:36.56`	`onetwo`	`?`
`23:37.02`	`Bounty`	`i bet you 20 bucks u cant solve it`
`23:37.05`	`Bounty`	`and u cant say use data`
`23:37.07`	`onetwo`	`you win`
`23:37.07`	`Bounty`	`wanna see?`
`23:37.08`	`Bounty`	`:)`
`23:37.08`	`onetwo`	`lol`
`23:37.18`	`JManV`	`data is the answer tho bounty`
`23:37.19`	`onetwo`	`well what is the problem?`
`23:37.22`	`Bounty`	`no its no Jman`
`23:37.25`	`JManV`	`you're using triggers for damage effects`
`23:37.26`	`Bounty`	`im tellin u it can be fixed lol`
`23:37.31`	`JManV`	`ofc is gonna lag`
`23:37.35`	`Bounty`	`its not lag`
`23:37.44`	`Bounty`	`its an overload of some sort`
`23:37.53`	`Bounty`	`and it didnt use to happen`
`23:37.54`	`JManV`	`also known as lag?`
`23:37.57`	`Bounty`	`it only just recently started`
`23:38.02`	`Bounty`	`lag = latency imo`
`23:38.11`	`onetwo`	`hmm`
`23:38.13`	`JManV`	`ok, fair enough`
`23:38.25`	`Bounty`	`ok onetwo`
`23:38.27`	`Bounty`	`keep in mind`
`23:38.27`	`JManV`	`anyways, it will run faster in data`
`23:38.30`	`Bounty`	`this didnt use to happen`
`23:38.33`	`JManV`	`and it's not that hard to se tup`
`23:38.33`	`onetwo`	`k`
`23:38.39`	`Bounty`	`but after i fixed this from occuring in my other triggers`
`23:38.43`	`Bounty`	`it now popped up in this one`
`23:38.47`	`Bounty`	`this is the first trigger`
`23:38.48`	`Bounty`	`http://pastebin.com/7x4swJnu`
`23:39.10`	`JManV`	`hey bounty`
`23:39.14`	`JManV`	`that's a lot of conditions`
`23:39.20`	`Bounty`	`and this is one of the possible outcomes`
`23:39.20`	`JManV`	`think you could trim those down some?`
`23:39.21`	`Bounty`	`http://pastebin.com/WJJbQNKw`
`23:39.31`	`Bounty`	`what ru talking about?`
`23:39.33`	`Bounty`	`ur just saying this NOW?`
`23:39.37`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`23:39.43`	`Bounty`	`u saw that yesteerday`
`23:39.45`	`JManV`	`well, someone mentioned it yesterday`
`23:39.46`	`Bounty`	`and said it was fine`
`23:39.54`	`Bounty`	`and i did cut the conditions by alot`
`23:39.59`	`JManV`	`about the custom field on the units`
`23:40.02`	`Bounty`	`u said the switch would help`
`23:40.08`	`JManV`	`nonno`
`23:40.10`	`onetwo`	`lol jesus`
`23:40.13`	`onetwo`	`this isnt a 5 sec job`
`23:40.14`	`JManV`	`on the trigger`
`23:40.20`	`JManV`	`ikr`
`23:40.35`	`onetwo`	`well one thing i can say right away is ive never used switches`
`23:40.38`	`onetwo`	`cause i heard issues with them or w/e`
`23:40.39`	`onetwo`	`in the past`
`23:40.43`	`JManV`	`i'm telling him he needs to use damage effect in data, and then trigger off of those if he really has to`
`23:40.44`	`Bounty`	`yeah`
`23:40.46`	`Bounty`	`thanks Jman`
`23:40.49`	`JManV`	`instead of triggering off damage`
`23:40.50`	`Bounty`	`thats funny onetwo bc`
`23:40.52`	`Bounty`	`i was using if thens`
`23:40.59`	`Bounty`	`but jman said to use switches`
`23:41.00`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`23:41.03`	`Bounty`	`=P`
`23:41.03`	`onetwo`	`well who knows`
`23:41.07`	`Bounty`	`but regardless`
`23:41.09`	`onetwo`	`ive had 0 problems using if-thens`
`23:41.10`	`Bounty`	`it made no differance`
`23:41.11`	`JManV`	`i've never had any problems with switches`
`23:41.12`	`onetwo`	`k`
`23:41.16`	`Bounty`	`the same issue is happening`
`23:41.21`	`Bounty`	`the best way i can describe it`
`23:41.25`	`onetwo`	`i agree about damage efects in data`
`23:41.29`	`Bounty`	`hai`
`23:41.34`	`Bounty`	`thats not part of the deal`
`23:41.37`	`Bounty`	`u cannot use that word`
`23:41.38`	`Bounty`	`=P`
`23:41.39`	`onetwo`	`whats wrong then`
`23:41.42`	`onetwo`	`does it work?`
`23:41.43`	`JManV`	`(Unit type of (Triggering unit)) == Demon Lord`
`23:41.45`	`JManV`	`through`
`23:41.45`	`Bounty`	`ill show u`
`23:41.48`	`Bounty`	`sec`
`23:41.54`	`JManV`	`(Unit type of (Triggering unit)) == Summoner`
`23:41.55`	`onetwo`	`gogo cause i g2g soon`
`23:41.57`	`JManV`	`could be one line`
`23:42.00`	`onetwo`	`or we can discuss it later more`
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`23:42.19`	`Bounty`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSGcnRanYMM`
`23:42.21`	`Bounty`	`its kinda like that`
`23:42.25`	`Bounty`	`thats the best example i can give`
`23:42.28`	`Bounty`	`when he removes the heatsink`
`23:42.29`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`23:42.33`	`Bounty`	`it skips like that`
`23:42.48`	`Bounty`	`it doesnt happen immediately`
`23:43.04`	`Bounty`	`but after like 10 or so seconds of a big battle or lots of damage it happens`
`23:43.11`	`Bounty`	`it also used to happen with my mouse click trigger`
`23:43.28`	`Bounty`	`but i put trigger conditions on it so it doesnt check for conditions everytime u click`
`23:43.30`	`Bounty`	`and that fixed it`
`23:44.14`	`JManV`	`bounty`
`23:44.23`	`JManV`	`if you give those NPC units all the same behavior`
`23:44.28`	`JManV`	`and then check for the behavior`
`23:44.36`	`JManV`	`you can turn 5 trigger conditions into 1`
`23:44.46`	`JManV`	`might help a little`
`23:44.53`	`Bounty`	`u would need periodic to check it thoug hyes?`
`23:45.02`	`JManV`	`no`
`23:45.17`	`JManV`	`your pastebin for damage effects`
`23:45.25`	`JManV`	`lines 14-19`
`23:45.26`	`onetwo`	`k this is a bit much for me to get into atm`
`23:45.35`	`onetwo`	`but honestly you need to move away from triggers one little bit at a time if you can`
`23:45.41`	`onetwo`	`whatever you can`
`23:45.42`	`onetwo`	`do it`
`23:45.47`	`onetwo`	`realistically can btw`
`23:45.53`	`onetwo`	`because in the long term it will help`
`23:45.56`	`JManV`	`yeah, that's just plain a bad trigger to hook onto`
`23:46.02`	`onetwo`	`and then you might be able to expand a lot more`
`23:46.09`	`Bounty`	`i have done some things in data`
`23:46.11`	`onetwo`	`rather than be constrained`
`23:46.14`	`Bounty`	`but to take this to data`
`23:46.19`	`onetwo`	`but your triggers dont look that bigt`
`23:46.20`	`onetwo`	`big`
`23:46.21`	`onetwo`	`seems odd`
`23:46.27`	`Bounty`	`its conditions one two`
`23:46.30`	`onetwo`	`hmm`
`23:46.31`	`Bounty`	`cna i show u something?`
`23:46.32`	`Bounty`	`rela fast?`
`23:46.36`	`JManV`	`yeah, the conditions should be fast`
`23:46.38`	`Bounty`	`ill show u how i know that its conditions`
`23:46.44`	`JManV`	`and we optimized them yesterday`
`23:46.49`	`onetwo`	`for each unit type`
`23:46.54`	`onetwo`	`i dont know what else to try`
`23:46.58`	`onetwo`	`maybe make separate triggers`
`23:47.09`	`JManV`	`more triggers on damage?`
`23:47.14`	`Bounty`	`ok`
`23:47.16`	`Bounty`	`http://pastebin.com/rEScHtXz`
`23:47.20`	`Bounty`	`thats the mouse click trigger right?`
`23:47.25`	`Bounty`	`now what was happening was the SAME issue`
`23:47.33`	`Bounty`	`before i added those trigger conditions it would do the same thing`
`23:47.38`	`Bounty`	`if everyone spam clicked`
`23:47.47`	`JManV`	`bounty: just because it helped on thing, doesn't mean it will help another`
`23:47.51`	`JManV`	`necessarily`
`23:47.53`	`Bounty`	`those conditions would be checked later on but then i moved them to the top`
`23:47.56`	`Bounty`	`Jman`
`23:47.58`	`Bounty`	`im not saying that`
`23:48.00`	`Bounty`	`im saying`
`23:48.02`	`Bounty`	`its the SAME issue`
`23:48.07`	`Bounty`	`so it has to be conditions`
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`23:48.16`	`*** mode/#sc2mapster [+v onetwo_] by ChanServ`
`23:48.20`	`onetwo_`	`sorry my irc crashed`
`23:48.22`	`Bounty`	`obviously checking conditions isnt as fast as everyone things`
`23:48.24`	`onetwo_`	`ill be back in a couple hours`
`23:48.25`	`Bounty`	`gay`
`23:48.28`	`onetwo_`	`we can talk later`
`23:48.57`	`Bounty`	`u know whats even more wierd?`
`23:49.05`	`JManV`	`but: that said, this is why i want to streamline the trigger conditions a little`
`23:49.05`	`Bounty`	`when the issue wasnt happening with damage taken triggers`
`23:49.10`	`Bounty`	`it was all one huge trigger`
`23:49.11`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`23:49.21`	`Bounty`	`no fuctions`
`23:49.23`	`doite`	`Guys`
`23:49.23`	`Bounty`	`just one trigger`
`23:49.45`	`doite`	`How to make Curroption an aoe effect`
`23:49.51`	`JManV`	`damage effects: lines 14-19`
`23:49.57`	`ekcolnovkol`	`cast it everywhere`
`23:49.58`	`ekcolnovkol`	`:u`
`23:50.02`	`JManV`	`do you see how that could be a little inefficient?`
`23:50.04`	`ekcolnovkol`	`rolls off a cliff`
`23:50.15`	`JManV`	`all 5 of those checks run every time`
`23:50.16`	`Bounty`	`what? checking for the unit type`
`23:50.18`	`JManV`	`no matter what`
`23:50.20`	`JManV`	`yes`
`23:50.25`	`JManV`	`you could make it 1 condition`
`23:50.28`	`JManV`	`instead of 5`
`23:50.31`	`Bounty`	`what condition?`
`23:50.37`	`JManV`	`unit has behavior`
`23:50.47`	`JManV`	`and give them a behavior`
`23:50.49`	`JManV`	`type buff`
`23:50.51`	`JManV`	`that does nothing`
`23:51.13`	`JManV`	`and check for it`
`23:51.18`	`Bounty`	`i agree but`
`23:51.21`	`Bounty`	`its not those conditions`
`23:51.27`	`Bounty`	`because this trigger does it to`
`23:51.37`	`JManV`	`damage effects?`
`23:51.41`	`Bounty`	`sec`
`23:51.42`	`Bounty`	`linking`
`23:51.46`	`Bounty`	`http://pastebin.com/g4FpqrcS`
`23:52.41`	`JManV`	`no, it doesn't do the same thing exactly`
`23:52.55`	`JManV`	`it's hooked on multiple events`
`23:53.03`	`JManV`	`but unless those events fire, nothing happens`
`23:53.13`	`Bounty`	`yeah but what im saying`
`23:53.14`	`JManV`	`the damage effect happens every time a unit is damaged`
`23:53.17`	`Bounty`	`THAT triger does the overload to`
`23:53.18`	`JManV`	`it has to check those conditions`
`23:53.28`	`Bounty`	`ok so maybe change the events?`
`23:53.34`	`JManV`	`because it's probably implemented differently`
`23:53.37`	`Bounty`	`to the player controlled unit variable?`
`23:54.00`	`JManV`	`you can't use a variable on unit takes damage, can you?`
`23:54.15`	`Bounty`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:54.17`	`Bounty`	`just did it`
`23:54.18`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`23:54.26`	`JManV`	`yes, try that`
`23:54.41`	`doite`	`ARg!`
`23:55.04`	`JManV`	`doite?`
`23:55.09`	`JManV`	`issues?`
`23:55.14`	`doite`	`How do i make corruption a aoe`
`23:55.18`	`JManV`	`need a hug?`
`23:55.20`	`doite`	`i HATE dataeditor`
`23:55.22`	`doite`	`i do=(`
`23:55.25`	`doite`	`BTW`
`23:55.31`	`doite`	`Merry christmas`
`23:55.33`	`JManV`	`corruption is an effect?`
`23:55.34`	`doite`	`its 0.55`
`23:55.36`	`JManV`	`to you as well`
`23:55.38`	`doite`	`yes`
`23:55.41`	`JManV`	`ok`
`23:55.46`	`doite`	`its a buff`
`23:55.49`	`JManV`	`make a new effect - search area`
`23:55.53`	`doite`	`that makes u take 20 % more damage`
`23:55.55`	`doite`	`ok`
`23:56.06`	`doite`	`ill try`
`23:56.37`	`JManV`	`hold on, let me open a map and look at all the fields`
`23:57.13`	`JManV`	`under Search - Areas+`
`23:57.26`	`JManV`	`add a new line (green X)`
`23:57.40`	`doite`	`Yea then radius and 1`
`23:57.42`	`JManV`	`arc 360, maximum count -1, radius = whatever`
`23:57.50`	`doite`	`yea =) thanks`
`23:57.53`	`JManV`	`and for effect, you want your corruption effect`
`23:58.07`	`doite`	`Ok thanks`
`23:58.42`	`JManV`	`search area effects are cool`
`23:59.07`	`JManV`	`they should jsut call them area of effect`
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