| 00:00.04 | Vesuvius | oh i see |
| 00:00.08 | Vesuvius | it was probably an actor |
| 00:00.11 | Vesuvius | those take a while to load |
| 00:00.17 | Vesuvius | and I'm impatient lol |
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| 00:05.26 | Stewox | anyone knows how do i disable the use of vespene and make minerals the only resource in the UI ? |
| 00:05.52 | Stewox | and also changeing the minerals icon for example like making a single resource > money |
| 00:06.24 | Helral | Stewox: disabling vespeyne: go in the data editor to the races type. |
| 00:06.33 | Helral | you can set there which resources are displayed per race. |
| 00:07.07 | Stewox | cool , any controls about icon ? |
| 00:07.35 | Stewox | the "minerals" can be easily renamed to "money" in text editor right ? |
| 00:08.07 | Helral | renaming is done in text editor. |
| 00:08.58 | Helral | replacing is done with importing a file named Assets.txt into the GameData directory. |
| 00:09.02 | Helral | inside your map. |
| 00:09.17 | Helral | the Assets.txt will need a certain text lines for changing the icon. |
| 00:11.47 | Stewox | tn |
| 00:11.50 | Stewox | tnx |
| 00:14.45 | Stewox | emm |
| 00:14.51 | Stewox | when i zoom out the editor |
| 00:15.01 | Stewox | it always hits a limit of render |
| 00:15.04 | Stewox | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:15.12 | Stewox | every editor has this shit |
| 00:15.23 | Stewox | i want to render the ground no matter what distance i zoom out |
| 00:16.08 | Stewox | it's realy hard to see big maps if they get cut |
| 00:17.47 | nolliepoper | Helral you there? |
| 00:19.22 | Helral | hmmm |
| 00:19.25 | Helral | zzzzzzzzzz |
| 00:19.29 | nolliepoper | have you figured out how to changed the mouse cursor back and forth. |
| 00:19.42 | Helral | nope |
| 00:20.18 | Shawn|Rawr | if you change a player's race, will it change his UI? |
| 00:20.23 | Shawn|Rawr | :/ |
| 00:20.55 | nolliepoper | yes |
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| 00:23.35 | Demalii | hello peeps |
| 00:24.08 | Dustin| | You guys ever have a problem with an Impact effect model shooting before the missile hits? |
| 00:26.03 | Stewox | is there a RULER tool , im having some SERIOUS problems getting the map symmetrical , i know there's the copy tool but it's SO AKWARD and i didn't even done the half of it to even use copy toll |
| 00:26.21 | nolliepoper | what is the difference betwee the model OneShotSpellFX and ImpactFX |
| 00:26.55 | lunarDoom | ok i got it working but |
| 00:27.02 | lunarDoom | i can export it |
| 00:27.10 | Shawn|Rawr | Stewox, use the grid |
| 00:27.14 | lunarDoom | but now to load the textures in the data editor |
| 00:27.41 | Shawn|Rawr | View -> Show Grid |
| 00:28.06 | Stewox | grid seems to not be enough , yes im counting the boxes ... eyesore that takes time |
| 00:28.33 | Shawn|Rawr | You could always take a ruler to your monitor lol |
| 00:31.26 | Stewox | lol |
| 00:36.38 | Shawn|Rawr | I wonder if this works with researches as well |
| 00:36.48 | Shawn|Rawr | Oh wait.. that's a diff scenario i guess |
| 00:36.53 | Shawn|Rawr | oh whoops |
| 00:36.57 | Shawn|Rawr | wrong chat hahah |
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| 00:40.52 | Dustin| | Woot |
| 00:41.03 | Dustin| | Got one more building to make :D |
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| 00:52.35 | JManV | sweet. i've almost got full hero upgrades working |
| 00:53.30 | Dustin| | nice :D |
| 00:53.39 | JManV | it's been a pain in the butt |
| 00:55.40 | JManV | the inventory swap was probably the biggest pain |
| 00:56.03 | JManV | cuz their item classes might change |
| 01:04.08 | JManV | hmmm |
| 01:04.29 | JManV | do i really need to go to the catalog to get a behavior's name? |
| 01:19.02 | JManV | man... my game is sending thors at me at level 3... that's just mean |
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| 01:21.44 | Stewox | is it possible to add new texture's in a custom texture set ? |
| 01:21.54 | Stewox | terrain textures |
| 01:24.17 | Demonette | the max value of usable terrain textures is looked |
| 01:24.25 | Demonette | but yeah you can add some |
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| 01:33.25 | Dustin| | Anyone know a good tutorial for attaching models to units when a behavior is on them? |
| 01:33.59 | JManV | can't you do that in the actor events? |
| 01:34.12 | Dustin| | Im trying |
| 01:34.29 | Dustin| | But apaprently if I dont do something exactly right down to the T it wont work |
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| 01:34.40 | Dustin| | So I need a tut to explain the T |
| 01:35.03 | JManV | i'm not aware of any in particular |
| 01:38.12 | JManV | might want to look for something on actor events? |
| 01:43.24 | Dustin| | If I start a unit with a behavior |
| 01:43.36 | Dustin| | Can i still do Behavior.Name.On for my actor event |
| 01:44.50 | JManV | i'm not great with actors, sorry... |
| 01:45.37 | Vail | i think so dustin BUT it may just apply as soon as the unit is created becauses thats when the behavior considered on |
| 01:46.47 | Vail | Dustin what are you trying to do? |
| 01:47.12 | Dustin| | Its my magnetisim tower, slows all missiles in the range |
| 01:47.40 | Dustin| | Making the bubble now, it shows but right as i start buuilding. Is there an actor event to go off when a building completes |
| 01:48.38 | Vail | you may have to use a validator |
| 01:48.40 | Dustin| | nm gfound it |
| 01:48.54 | Vail | ah |
| 01:48.57 | Vail | what is it? |
| 01:49.48 | Dustin| | UnitConstruction.Unit.Finish |
| 01:50.04 | Dustin| | Testing now |
| 01:50.15 | Dustin| | Fuck ya |
| 01:51.04 | Vail | i am having a glitch |
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| 01:51.47 | Stewox | guys |
| 01:51.59 | Stewox | these custom dependencies are just a pain in the arse to make |
| 01:52.41 | Stewox | do i have to obey the paths or i don't need to name every folder exactly as original "base.sc2assets sc2 bla bla bla " english enGB .... etc |
| 01:53.47 | nolliepoper | what is the difference betwee the model OneShotSpellFX and ImpactFX |
| 01:54.11 | eggy | xxx |
| 01:57.04 | JManV | jesus, i had about 30 TriggerDebug.txt files open, and about 15 bank files |
| 01:57.30 | Stewox | what exactly banks are useful for , ? |
| 01:57.43 | JManV | saving persistant data |
| 01:57.49 | Stewox | persistent ? |
| 01:57.57 | JManV | continues on past one game |
| 01:58.08 | JManV | permanent |
| 01:58.13 | Stewox | any examples ? |
| 01:58.17 | JManV | like settings |
| 01:58.30 | JManV | or in my case, the whole frickin' hero character and any units he has trained |
| 01:58.32 | Stewox | real world example |
| 01:58.46 | JManV | and any upgrades he has |
| 01:58.48 | Stewox | oh so ... like playing night special forces |
| 01:58.52 | JManV | all get saved |
| 01:59.03 | JManV | dunno the game |
| 01:59.06 | Stewox | and then you'll have veteranacy which is saved .... |
| 01:59.36 | JManV | if there's any data retained from one game to another, that's an example |
| 01:59.53 | Stewox | tnx |
| 02:00.08 | Vail | Stewox i do not believe you have to name anything the same as blizzard has it named. |
| 02:00.10 | JManV | my banks are beastly because i save a lot of stuff |
| 02:01.19 | Vail | but im not sure what you are trying to do |
| 02:02.04 | Stewox | oh , is there a mod launcher or something for offline play , ingame and not editor , without having to replace the same files with modified ones but actually launcing a mod with the exe command line ... |
| 02:02.50 | Stewox | making totally custom dependency .... for some time now im learning how to make it so it would work .... i used a base which was non-dependency mod |
| 02:02.51 | Vail | modfiles are downloaded and used automatically when a map that uses them is downloaded |
| 02:03.23 | Demalii | I could test this, but possible to create a unit over terrain with "no pathing" allowed |
| 02:05.37 | Vail | to make a fully custom dependency you just need to make a mod file with no preset dependencies and import your own custon sound and art and set up your own data. |
| 02:06.54 | JManV | hmmm |
| 02:06.59 | Stewox | import ? |
| 02:07.02 | JManV | can dependancies be used for inheritance? |
| 02:07.21 | JManV | no i guess not |
| 02:07.23 | Stewox | well im making a bigger mod |
| 02:07.53 | Stewox | but im not going to use custom models ... im actually going to use the original models but it's going to be totally different (data/scripts) |
| 02:09.26 | Vail | if you are going to use the existing assets then i would suggest using existing dependencies and ignoring all of the existing data and script so the file size for your dependencie will be smaller |
| 02:09.58 | Vail | i know it would be abit cluttered but you can choose only to show the open files data |
| 02:10.50 | JManV | i hate it when you go to test something, and you forget what you changed |
| 02:11.05 | JManV | even worse when you get distracted and start playing your own game |
| 02:11.07 | Vail | me too JMan |
| 02:11.40 | Stewox | yes , that's what i wanted to do , so i would control the data and scripts my self . you know , not making changes , i want the full raw data available in the mod which depends on the orignal but it doesn't really depend that much in reality , just the models and the core |
| 02:12.11 | Stewox | how actually can i make it to not use any other scripts/data ? |
| 02:12.11 | JManV | heh, this time i didn't get distracted, but i should have. if i had started actually playing i would have remembered real quick :) |
| 02:14.10 | RodOfNOD | lol JManV that is a good thing whenu get distracted means ur map is good |
| 02:14.14 | Vail | unfortunetly for now if you use an existing dependancie you must take with it the existing data and scripts But you do not have to use them |
| 02:14.21 | JManV | yeah it's pretty fun |
| 02:14.28 | Vail | they just have to be there. |
| 02:14.41 | JManV | i've wasted plenty of time leveling up senselessly |
| 02:14.55 | JManV | only to delete my character because i need to test something else |
| 02:15.04 | RodOfNOD | lol |
| 02:15.34 | JManV | but it gives me a good sense of balance too |
| 02:20.40 | Stewox | vail |
| 02:20.49 | Vail | yes? |
| 02:23.04 | Stewox | what about that i make my custom dependency (my mod) , build everything , and then link the models when i add the multiplayer dependencies later , also this mod will be a dependency to my map which will have it's additional scripts , now , does the map need to have all dependencies listed if the mod needs them ? |
| 02:23.34 | Stewox | melle > my mod > map |
| 02:24.03 | Vail | all dependencies uses by the mod will be drawn from by the map as if they were on its dependency list as well |
| 02:24.31 | Stewox | okay but this won't cluter stuff ? |
| 02:25.01 | Stewox | cause i don't want any of the original data/scripts to be messing around , it's a complete total conversion |
| 02:25.23 | Vail | every file higher in the chain will show the contents of evey file lower than its self |
| 02:25.30 | Stewox | .... at least the units and structures on the ground ... gameplay |
| 02:26.01 | Stewox | yeah |
| 02:26.09 | Stewox | this system is confusing |
| 02:26.16 | Stewox | the editor is bugged so muhc |
| 02:26.44 | Stewox | never knew what are these version on local and bnet .... and what's with the up and down arrow |
| 02:27.18 | Stewox | and the explanation on the bottom " this verison will be used for editing , .." completely werid system |
| 02:27.51 | Vail | the Local version shows what dependancies it will draw from when testplayed on your machine the battlenet dependencie shows the one the game will use for actual play |
| 02:28.20 | Stewox | and what's the deal with this ? what's the difference |
| 02:29.02 | Vail | local is editable on your side ... |
| 02:29.12 | Stewox | ofcourse |
| 02:29.26 | Stewox | bnet is uploaded ? |
| 02:29.32 | Vail | yes |
| 02:29.35 | Stewox | who cares about the uploaded one .... |
| 02:29.46 | Vail | that is the one the game will use |
| 02:29.46 | Stewox | that just cluters stuff |
| 02:30.16 | Stewox | well , what's this doing in dependencies ,... what if you choose to play with the uploaded one |
| 02:30.42 | Stewox | you can't , so what's the purpose of it :) |
| 02:30.57 | Vail | the local is for your editing the published if for people to play |
| 02:31.25 | Stewox | really all hail you know this , cause i won't figure it out in million years, the context wtf guy made this tool i have no idea what are they talking about |
| 02:32.16 | Vail | they may fix some of the cotext tool tips with the next patch |
| 02:32.29 | Stewox | most of the time , this editor is great but the context , what freaks made the tool man , i've seen them on blizzcon , they barely speak english |
| 02:32.52 | Stewox | well good ... that was very much needed |
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| 02:33.14 | Stewox | didn't you felt the same |
| 02:33.20 | Stewox | when you saw it at first ? |
| 02:33.23 | Vail | yes |
| 02:33.26 | Vail | and still do |
| 02:33.26 | Shawn|Rawr | Does anyone here know how to use validators correctly? |
| 02:33.37 | SonOfAZerg | Hey guys, anyone up for some map testing on the N.A servers?? |
| 02:33.42 | Vail | yes Shawn |
| 02:33.58 | Shawn|Rawr | Is there a validator that can check if a player is player 1? |
| 02:34.07 | SonOfAZerg | I need some tester for my map |
| 02:34.21 | Vail | i dont think there is .. |
| 02:34.39 | SonOfAZerg | u can make a check via trigger shawn |
| 02:34.56 | SonOfAZerg | there a function called status of player |
| 02:35.02 | Shawn|Rawr | But there is no event for Actor Creation |
| 02:35.21 | Vail | what do you want to do? |
| 02:35.29 | SonOfAZerg | what do u need it for? |
| 02:35.56 | Shawn|Rawr | I'm going to tint an actor based on the player |
| 02:36.07 | Shawn|Rawr | It's just a matter of difficulty |
| 02:36.59 | Vail | what model is it that you want to tint i could change it to it has team color if you like |
| 02:37.26 | Shawn|Rawr | Really? |
| 02:37.32 | Vail | sure' |
| 02:37.33 | Shawn|Rawr | That would be amazing |
| 02:37.49 | Shawn|Rawr | It's the Laser Drill Targeting UI |
| 02:37.55 | SonOfAZerg | Need testers, anyone want to try out a fun new map? |
| 02:38.15 | Vail | ok ill take a look at that and see if i can change it |
| 02:40.09 | Vesuvius | how do turrets work? |
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| 02:44.18 | SonOfAZerg | need testers for my map, anyone interested? |
| 02:45.36 | Stewox | thealso vail |
| 02:46.03 | Stewox | the editor is bugged , dependencie are totally logically incorrect |
| 02:46.16 | Stewox | the original files are in mods folder , wtf ... |
| 02:46.43 | Stewox | the dependencies are actually folders .... with an imaginary extension .SC2MOD |
| 02:47.59 | Stewox | but these are original files which actually work like user mods which is stupid |
| 02:48.28 | Stewox | if you load campaign or muliplayer dependency , what you just siad before doesn't work for these |
| 02:48.40 | Stewox | the MAIN data doesn't get shown |
| 02:49.40 | Stewox | it DOES LOAD because i can see , and i opened up RAW data , it's SO stupid .... it just doesn't show in the editor as a dependency but LIBERTY.SC2MOD has all the data , without it , multiplayer and campaing would not work by it self |
| 02:50.25 | Stewox | so actually mulit and campaing are depending on the main , campaing has just a lot of extra stuff added actually . .... |
| 02:51.38 | Stewox | now we , the users , because of this stupid system , we are making dependency from dependency from depenedency unitl you wave no freaking idea what the heck is going on , it's okay because it's editable in editor but the RAW data is SO mixed up , so weirdly arranged and so clutered , unsorted .... it's a bomb , can't think more |
| 02:52.50 | Stewox | i mean , come on , even generals zero hour was easier to mod than this weirdo |
| 02:53.37 | Stewox | this is some poor technical job from blizzard , it's just not practical to do total conversions at this time , we'll have to wait blizzard noobies to get pros and that's gonna happen after LotV |
| 02:53.59 | Dustin| | Naaaaaaaaaaaaah |
| 02:54.05 | Dustin| | baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah* |
| 02:54.28 | Stewox | do you have anything useful to add ? |
| 02:54.52 | Vail | no sorry |
| 02:55.15 | Shawn|Rawr | Any luck Vail? |
| 02:55.26 | Vail | i just now found the four textures it uses |
| 02:56.04 | Stewox | i was actually referring to dustin |
| 02:56.06 | Vail | i am now going to edit them to have team color |
| 02:58.20 | Dustin| | huh |
| 02:58.43 | Dustin| | Why would I have anything useful to add I didnt even read what you wrote |
| 03:01.33 | Vesuvius | this is annoying |
| 03:01.57 | Vesuvius | i've got a carrier style ability for zealots |
| 03:02.13 | Vesuvius | but the zealots show up at the base of the structure :/ |
| 03:02.34 | Vesuvius | doesn't work like rally point s:( |
| 03:03.38 | lunarDoom | lol |
| 03:03.53 | Vesuvius | i'm tempted to warp units in and apply a timed life effect if they're not in power |
| 03:03.54 | Vesuvius | lol |
| 03:04.21 | lunarDoom | try to bring back the shirkin model and use that for the zealots carrir style type attack |
| 03:06.55 | Vesuvius | huh |
| 03:07.21 | Vesuvius | i mean the zealots are like the interceptors |
| 03:10.40 | Vail | Shawn i am just checking to make sure the new textures |
| 03:12.50 | Vail | i am having a bit of trouble with the textures just a bit |
| 03:16.59 | Shawn|Rawr | That mean it won't work? |
| 03:18.33 | Xapti | I gues there's no way to change alignment of a dialog item text is there |
| 03:18.55 | Xapti | i know the item itself can be aligned, but that doesn't do much if the text can't be aligned also |
| 03:20.22 | Vail | it will work when i can figure out the texture issue |
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| 03:27.49 | Shawn|Rawr | No rush. this game won't be out for a while |
| 03:34.27 | Vail | ok i think i have some things figured out |
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| 03:40.52 | Rodrigo | yesssss |
| 03:40.57 | Rodrigo | Im done with my finalsssss |
| 03:41.01 | Rodrigo | :) |
| 03:41.21 | Vail | ok looks like team color is not possible with this model |
| 03:41.40 | Vail | but i could be wrong' |
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| 03:43.45 | Rodrigo | I am now freeeeee |
| 03:43.50 | Rodrigo | no school until next yearrrrrrr |
| 03:43.52 | Rodrigo | :) |
| 03:44.06 | Rodrigo | I can spend now the whole day here making my awesome comments :) |
| 03:44.16 | Shawn|Rawr | Like how your teacher is stupid? |
| 03:44.25 | Rodrigo | lol |
| 03:44.31 | Rodrigo | I got B in english :D |
| 03:44.49 | Shawn|Rawr | Isn't that like a D in US terms? |
| 03:44.53 | Rodrigo | it seems that my teacher liked my essay about sex. He gave me B |
| 03:45.14 | Rodrigo | ... |
| 03:45.18 | Shawn|Rawr | What percent was it? |
| 03:45.27 | Rodrigo | I dunno |
| 03:45.53 | Shawn|Rawr | Oh. I just remember onetwo saying that an 86% is an A in canada |
| 03:46.14 | Rodrigo | In CPSC, 90-95% is a A+ |
| 03:46.40 | Rodrigo | english 95% is A+ |
| 03:47.00 | Rodrigo | I dunno about B |
| 03:47.10 | progammer | oh god Rodrigo is free to spam again |
| 03:47.25 | Rodrigo | =] |
| 03:47.47 | Rodrigo | Now I allow Blizzard to update to 1.2 |
| 03:48.24 | Rodrigo | I have time to explore bank signatures |
| 03:49.15 | Shawn|Rawr | Isn't Show on the requirement supposed to hide the button until it matches the conditions |
| 03:49.17 | Shawn|Rawr | ? |
| 03:49.47 | Vail | no |
| 03:50.00 | Vail | for that you have to at Not before the setting |
| 03:50.03 | progammer | Rodrigo: there was nothing new with the bank in 1.2 |
| 03:50.12 | progammer | you just have the signature |
| 03:50.14 | Rodrigo | there's bank signatures |
| 03:50.20 | progammer | which is not 100% safe |
| 03:50.47 | Rodrigo | I have to do much more than just add bank signatures. I have to convert the old score to the new one using bank signatures in a way that I can open and close this conversion to avoid hackers |
| 03:51.08 | Rodrigo | I dont want the Debates players that won 400 debates to have their scores wiped out |
| 03:51.15 | Rodrigo | nor those NWW players with 500 victories |
| 03:51.30 | Rodrigo | I have to convert their scores to the new bank |
| 03:52.06 | Rodrigo | the problem is that all variables in my triggers are called llllIIIIlllII |
| 03:52.27 | Rodrigo | I have to trace back all my variables and triggers to find where I should edit it |
| 03:52.34 | Rodrigo | and rename all of them |
| 03:52.44 | progammer | obfuscate your map will just make the hacker happier because they beat a fool |
| 03:53.01 | Rodrigo | well |
| 03:53.08 | progammer | search and replace can help |
| 03:53.10 | Rodrigo | I needed some sort of protection |
| 03:53.18 | progammer | we dont have that protection |
| 03:53.26 | Rodrigo | now I dont know how I can edit my code |
| 03:53.28 | Rodrigo | :P |
| 03:53.37 | progammer | just make the thing you want not too important |
| 03:53.51 | Rodrigo | luckly, in debates I have comments of all triggers and variable names. But not for NWW |
| 03:53.52 | progammer | unless we have server side bank |
| 03:54.22 | Vesuvius | server side signing owuld work just as well |
| 03:54.33 | Rodrigo | I have 10 mb maps |
| 03:54.40 | Rodrigo | why I cant use this space for banks? |
| 03:54.46 | Vesuvius | haha |
| 03:54.51 | Rodrigo | its my space |
| 03:54.59 | Rodrigo | I should be able to use for banks |
| 03:55.03 | Vesuvius | i'm sure it'd fill on a popular map |
| 03:55.25 | Rodrigo | if I save just one integer for each player in a database.... |
| 03:55.30 | Rodrigo | 10 mb |
| 03:55.51 | Rodrigo | thats a lot of 4 bytes integers |
| 03:56.00 | Vesuvius | they have to make it flexible though |
| 03:56.02 | Rodrigo | enough for everybody |
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| 03:56.08 | Vesuvius | some people have banks much larger than that |
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| 03:56.19 | Vesuvius | and if they stored those in your map space |
| 03:56.21 | Agouti | hihihihihi |
| 03:56.36 | Rodrigo | so those complain to increase the upload limit |
| 03:56.37 | Vesuvius | it would just be kind of ridiculous for a map with thousands of games played an hour |
| 03:56.38 | progammer | lol your 10MB space is in your profile |
| 03:56.43 | progammer | but every ppl need their own bank |
| 03:57.03 | Rodrigo | activision-blizzard could become google-activision-blizzard |
| 03:57.06 | Rodrigo | with GMaps |
| 03:57.10 | Vesuvius | lol |
| 03:57.12 | Rodrigo | 1 giga of maps space |
| 03:57.42 | Rodrigo | I can use my profile to host other people's banks |
| 03:58.03 | progammer | with a better bnet + marketplace we could triumph apple app store |
| 03:58.04 | progammer | but not now |
| 03:58.32 | Rodrigo | well |
| 03:58.38 | Agouti | arrrrg! why do spectres get to noclip my forcefield? |
| 03:58.39 | Agouti | WHY |
| 03:58.57 | Vail | ? |
| 03:59.04 | Rodrigo | whoever designed battle.net... I don't know if they were trying to make it simple for elegance, of if they were trying to make it simple so they have work for a long time. |
| 03:59.06 | progammer | Agouti: check mover, pathing |
| 03:59.14 | progammer | compare it to other unit |
| 03:59.50 | progammer | they risk getting fired |
| 03:59.51 | Agouti | mover is the same |
| 03:59.56 | Vesuvius | what i want to know is why the hell launch magazine doesn't launch on the side of your unit that's nearest to the target unit :( |
| 03:59.57 | progammer | so i say it worth it |
| 04:00.37 | Rodrigo | as Blizzard said, "they are never satisfied with the system." This is a very dangerous thought because it estimulates procrastination, they avoid trying to do something perfect because "they should be never satisfied" |
| 04:00.39 | progammer | btw is gsl final today or tomorrow ? |
| 04:00.40 | Vail | whats the setting on the arm magazine ability |
| 04:00.43 | Vesuvius | and release at source clips into the source unit's center lol |
| 04:01.04 | Vesuvius | fire at source vail |
| 04:01.12 | Rodrigo | tomorrow im going to skiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii =] |
| 04:01.23 | Vesuvius | err |
| 04:01.24 | Rodrigo | \o/ |
| 04:01.25 | Vesuvius | fire at target |
| 04:01.26 | Vesuvius | sorry |
| 04:01.27 | Vesuvius | lol |
| 04:01.35 | Vesuvius | i have it on gateways |
| 04:01.47 | Vesuvius | it fires a zealot |
| 04:01.52 | Vesuvius | but it always fires out of the same corner |
| 04:01.56 | Vesuvius | which is really bad :( |
| 04:03.11 | progammer | SC2 on sale http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/1734671#blog |
| 04:03.41 | Vail | hmm |
| 04:04.11 | Rodrigo | this is so cuteeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 04:04.12 | Rodrigo | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdYsOs8TpD4 |
| 04:04.16 | Rodrigo | I WANT ONEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE |
| 04:04.19 | Rodrigo | :D |
| 04:06.07 | Rodrigo | Im gonna go dinner. brb |
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| 04:09.02 | Bounty | http://pastebin.com/2rYEpkAW |
| 04:09.06 | Bounty | Got a good one for you guys |
| 04:09.31 | Bounty | for some reason that trigger is causing my game to overload |
| 04:09.36 | Bounty | when i have 12 players or more |
| 04:10.03 | Vesuvius | lol on sale for 50 dollars |
| 04:10.24 | Vesuvius | we're going to make the price what it should have been on day one! |
| 04:10.31 | Vesuvius | but we're only going to do it for two days! |
| 04:10.36 | Bounty | Anyone have any ideas? |
| 04:10.42 | Vesuvius | actually i didn't check how long |
| 04:10.49 | Vesuvius | but still |
| 04:10.50 | Vesuvius | absurd |
| 04:11.51 | Bounty | Anyone? |
| 04:14.08 | Agouti | Bounty: for a start, it's really bad practice to reuse functions |
| 04:14.21 | Bounty | why? |
| 04:14.25 | Agouti | set variable TriggeringPlayer = (Triggering Player) |
| 04:14.33 | Agouti | because it takes more cpu etc |
| 04:14.37 | Bounty | thats wierd because |
| 04:14.40 | Bounty | it happens after awhile |
| 04:14.42 | Bounty | like we did a test |
| 04:14.45 | Bounty | everyone spammed click |
| 04:14.52 | Agouti | if you have to use any function more than a couple of times, set it to a variable, and use that instead |
| 04:14.52 | Bounty | and it overloaded after about 10 seconds |
| 04:14.54 | deathnight114 | http://www.halolz.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/halolz-dot-com-starcraft-zergcake.jpg |
| 04:14.58 | deathnight114 | epicness.... |
| 04:15.17 | Bounty | what do you mean? how could i replace an action with a variable? |
| 04:15.25 | Agouti | not the action |
| 04:15.28 | Agouti | the function |
| 04:15.31 | Bounty | yeah |
| 04:15.34 | Bounty | its an action definition |
| 04:15.37 | Agouti | Triggering Player is a function |
| 04:15.47 | Bounty | ah |
| 04:15.50 | Bounty | local variable? |
| 04:15.58 | Agouti | Unit type of Played Controlled Unit |
| 04:15.59 | Agouti | yes |
| 04:16.08 | Bounty | u think thats the cause? if so ur a genius |
| 04:16.08 | Agouti | anything like that, try to set to a variable |
| 04:16.14 | Agouti | it won't be helping |
| 04:16.15 | Bounty | apparently DarkRev has been having the same issue |
| 04:16.21 | Bounty | its crazy like |
| 04:16.23 | Bounty | its not lag |
| 04:16.29 | Bounty | its overload stutter |
| 04:16.31 | Agouti | but having that many Triggering Players will slow things down a bit |
| 04:16.39 | Bounty | yeah |
| 04:16.42 | Bounty | it works perfectly at 10 players |
| 04:16.45 | Bounty | but 11 or 12 |
| 04:16.46 | Agouti | and worse Unit type of Played Controlled Unit (Triggering Player) |
| 04:17.02 | Agouti | has 2 function look ups |
| 04:17.14 | Agouti | it's probably something back-end about how it deals with that |
| 04:17.18 | Bounty | alright so just use local variables and that will fix it? |
| 04:17.20 | Agouti | but what I *always* do bounty |
| 04:17.25 | Agouti | like, always |
| 04:17.34 | Agouti | is have a local variable called TriggeringPlayer |
| 04:17.44 | Agouti | and have the default value as function Triggering Player |
| 04:18.15 | Agouti | and do that for anything you have to call more than once |
| 04:18.44 | Bounty | what about the unit type |
| 04:19.04 | Bounty | how would i set that? |
| 04:19.14 | Agouti | same as you have it in the comparison |
| 04:19.26 | Agouti | UnitType = Unit type of Played Controlled Unit[(Triggering player)] |
| 04:19.28 | Agouti | or w/e |
| 04:19.48 | Bounty | is it prooven that this helps? |
| 04:20.03 | Agouti | it has helped in the past, es |
| 04:20.03 | Bounty | bc like i said im not the only one suffering from this lol |
| 04:20.04 | Agouti | yes |
| 04:20.12 | Vesuvius | that's absurd |
| 04:20.24 | Vesuvius | a function like triggering player shouldn't be that complicated |
| 04:20.25 | Agouti | what is |
| 04:20.32 | Agouti | but the thing is Ves |
| 04:20.37 | Vesuvius | you'd think it would just return an already set variable to begin with |
| 04:20.43 | Vesuvius | if they're not having it inline itself |
| 04:20.45 | Vesuvius | that's just dumb.. |
| 04:20.48 | Agouti | you are assuming it caches it internally |
| 04:21.02 | Agouti | it's more the Unit Type statements that cause more harm |
| 04:21.08 | Agouti | anything which requires a look up |
| 04:21.16 | Agouti | will *always* be slower than a variable |
| 04:21.19 | Vesuvius | yeha unit type would definitely be something like that |
| 04:21.32 | Agouti | here is another reason: when you use triggering player in a statement |
| 04:21.40 | Agouti | it has to put the value into a variable |
| 04:21.43 | Agouti | pass it from the function |
| 04:21.45 | Agouti | then compare |
| 04:21.53 | Agouti | whereas if it's already in a variable... |
| 04:22.34 | Vesuvius | I always figured the underlying implementation of triggering player was just a single line that returns the variable triggering player that got passed in from the event |
| 04:22.34 | Agouti | remember GE is a interpreted language, not compiled |
| 04:22.44 | Agouti | if it was compiled, probably wouldn't matter |
| 04:22.49 | Vesuvius | hmm |
| 04:22.54 | Vesuvius | I did not know it was interpreted |
| 04:22.55 | Agouti | because the compiler would optimize it all away |
| 04:23.10 | Agouti | well the fact that you don't compile it means it is :) |
| 04:23.26 | Agouti | TBH it would be better on many different fronts if it was |
| 04:23.38 | Agouti | faster, and it would stop people stealing your code |
| 04:23.38 | Vesuvius | if there's an error in my triggers |
| 04:23.43 | Vesuvius | it tells me it didn't compile properly |
| 04:23.45 | Vesuvius | lol |
| 04:23.58 | Vesuvius | like an error that prevents saving |
| 04:24.00 | Agouti | it says there is a syntax error? |
| 04:24.06 | Agouti | *checks |
| 04:24.13 | Vesuvius | i'm sure it mentioned something about compile |
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| 04:25.14 | Vesuvius | but now i cant remember what error was causing it |
| 04:25.26 | Agouti | actually, you are correct |
| 04:25.26 | Xapti | how does one get a ring around a unit, such as likje siege tanks have to indicate their range? |
| 04:25.35 | Agouti | ahh |
| 04:25.38 | Agouti | and sensor towers |
| 04:25.40 | Agouti | radar |
| 04:25.41 | Agouti | um |
| 04:25.47 | Vesuvius | maybe blizzard is using the wrong word |
| 04:25.51 | Vesuvius | there's ana ctor |
| 04:25.52 | Agouti | maybe |
| 04:25.53 | Vesuvius | for radar |
| 04:26.05 | Vesuvius | that does the minimap ring |
| 04:26.09 | Vesuvius | there's also an actor for pylons |
| 04:26.11 | Agouti | because if it compiles, whey does it stay uncompiled in the maps? |
| 04:26.19 | Vesuvius | that does the pylon ring |
| 04:26.22 | Agouti | that would make no sense |
| 04:26.26 | Vesuvius | yeah |
| 04:26.29 | Agouti | especially when locking |
| 04:26.32 | Vesuvius | they'd have to recompile it every time |
| 04:26.38 | Agouti | gogo +loading time |
| 04:26.47 | Vesuvius | maybe that's why custom maps |
| 04:26.49 | Vesuvius | take so damn long to load |
| 04:26.50 | Vesuvius | lol |
| 04:26.54 | Agouti | hmmmm |
| 04:27.11 | Vesuvius | but that still doesn't make any sense |
| 04:27.17 | Agouti | it's possible, but I'm going to maintain that it's interp until proven otherwise :) |
| 04:27.40 | Agouti | maybe it shoves the comiled stuff into the map when you save? |
| 04:27.41 | Bounty | any other suggestions Agouti? :) |
| 04:27.43 | Agouti | if it does |
| 04:27.46 | Agouti | oh? |
| 04:27.46 | Vesuvius | having it transfer uncompiled lends a lot of support to that |
| 04:27.47 | Vesuvius | lol |
| 04:27.47 | Xapti | oh yeah, I want the sensor tower range one too |
| 04:27.53 | Agouti | you did all that and it didn't fix it bounty? |
| 04:28.04 | Agouti | did it help at all? |
| 04:28.04 | Bounty | i didnt test it yet |
| 04:28.06 | Xapti | but what about the siege tank one, that's an actor too? how do I choose it's radius? |
| 04:28.08 | Agouti | oh |
| 04:28.11 | Bounty | im gonna need 12 ppl to test it |
| 04:28.12 | Bounty | but |
| 04:28.16 | Bounty | i could use all the help i can get |
| 04:28.18 | Bounty | lol |
| 04:28.59 | Agouti | well yeah |
| 04:29.05 | Agouti | 12 people is a lot of work to go to |
| 04:29.17 | Vesuvius | how'd you manage to get 12 people to test? |
| 04:29.21 | Vesuvius | I can barely ever get 1 |
| 04:29.31 | Agouti | with a great deal of difficulty, I would imagine |
| 04:29.41 | Agouti | Bounty: |
| 04:29.45 | Agouti | do this for me |
| 04:29.53 | Bounty | yes? |
| 04:29.58 | Agouti | launch the map with the debugger open before and after making those changes |
| 04:30.01 | Xapti | wat map is it |
| 04:30.04 | Agouti | and see what the loading difference is |
| 04:30.12 | Agouti | if it will show you |
| 04:30.38 | Agouti | ARG |
| 04:30.47 | Agouti | pokes programmer |
| 04:30.49 | Agouti | er |
| 04:30.52 | Agouti | pokes progammer |
| 04:31.04 | progammer | ok now the poke is effective |
| 04:31.10 | Agouti | ^_^ |
| 04:31.13 | Agouti | habit typing |
| 04:31.14 | Agouti | sorry |
| 04:31.25 | progammer | what's the problem |
| 04:31.37 | Vesuvius | how do you poke? |
| 04:31.39 | Agouti | I can't figure out why this spectre is getting to walk through the FF |
| 04:31.45 | Agouti | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:31.51 | Vesuvius | oh it's the /me one |
| 04:31.55 | Agouti | ya |
| 04:31.58 | Vesuvius | stabs Agouti |
| 04:32.01 | Vesuvius | :) |
| 04:32.04 | Agouti | bleeds |
| 04:32.07 | Vesuvius | lol |
| 04:32.07 | Agouti | D: |
| 04:32.14 | Vesuvius | that's no fun |
| 04:32.17 | Agouti | as far as I can see |
| 04:32.24 | Agouti | it has the same mover |
| 04:32.24 | Vesuvius | you're supposed to have a massive spring constant |
| 04:32.27 | Vesuvius | and just bounce back out |
| 04:32.29 | Agouti | and a stock actor |
| 04:32.41 | Bounty | Agouti |
| 04:32.50 | Agouti | mmm |
| 04:32.56 | Bounty | all i gotta do is use set variable before i run those if thens right? |
| 04:33.13 | Agouti | set the variable then use it instead of the functions |
| 04:33.26 | Agouti | so replace every (Triggering Player) with the variable |
| 04:33.31 | Agouti | and Unit Type() |
| 04:33.33 | Agouti | etc |
| 04:33.35 | Bounty | ok but i have to use fuctions to set the variables |
| 04:33.37 | Bounty | is that ok? |
| 04:33.42 | Agouti | well yeah you have to |
| 04:33.44 | Agouti | at the start |
| 04:33.46 | Bounty | kk |
| 04:33.50 | Agouti | but then they only get called once |
| 04:34.27 | Vesuvius | do melee air units work? |
| 04:34.36 | Shawn|Rawr | Of course |
| 04:34.38 | Vesuvius | it's strange there aren't any in the game |
| 04:34.39 | Vesuvius | lol |
| 04:35.10 | Shawn|Rawr | I think it would just look silly |
| 04:35.10 | Vesuvius | i guess they're a pain to balance |
| 04:35.16 | Vesuvius | haha |
| 04:35.22 | Vesuvius | flying death zealot! |
| 04:35.31 | Agouti | scourge are melee -.o |
| 04:35.43 | Vesuvius | scourge blow up |
| 04:35.47 | Shawn|Rawr | The zealot turns super saiyan and flys up to kill the banshee |
| 04:35.58 | Agouti | heh |
| 04:35.59 | Vesuvius | that's like saying banelings are melee |
| 04:36.00 | Agouti | do it |
| 04:36.01 | Agouti | kgo |
| 04:36.03 | Vesuvius | it might technically be true |
| 04:36.05 | Vesuvius | but... |
| 04:36.05 | Agouti | well they are |
| 04:36.08 | Agouti | :P |
| 04:36.11 | Agouti | :O |
| 04:36.16 | Agouti | give banelings |
| 04:36.18 | Vesuvius | I prefer the term kamikaze |
| 04:36.20 | Agouti | a morph |
| 04:36.20 | Vesuvius | :P |
| 04:36.24 | Agouti | that lets them get wings |
| 04:36.27 | Vesuvius | winglings |
| 04:36.28 | Agouti | and fly |
| 04:36.35 | Agouti | :::::OOOO |
| 04:36.37 | Agouti | even vetter |
| 04:36.40 | Vesuvius | nearly as annoying as wingdings |
| 04:36.41 | Agouti | agouti wants winglings |
| 04:36.58 | Agouti | once zerglings get their wings from speed |
| 04:37.00 | Vesuvius | what the fuck is the point of wingdings anyways |
| 04:37.01 | Vail | ive been thinking |
| 04:37.05 | Vail | and it hurt |
| 04:37.05 | Agouti | should be able to fly for short distances |
| 04:37.18 | Agouti | AGOUTI |
| 04:37.19 | Agouti | WANTS |
| 04:37.21 | Agouti | WINGLINGS |
| 04:37.26 | Vesuvius | AGOUTI |
| 04:37.27 | Vesuvius | CAN |
| 04:37.30 | Vesuvius | MAKE |
| 04:37.31 | Vesuvius | WINGLINGS |
| 04:37.33 | Vesuvius | HIMSELF |
| 04:37.34 | Agouti | fine |
| 04:37.34 | Vesuvius | :P |
| 04:37.36 | Agouti | I WILL |
| 04:37.42 | Agouti | just watch me |
| 04:37.43 | Vail | but ive been thinking and in the game people it Mutawings by the bucket ... |
| 04:37.44 | Vesuvius | haha |
| 04:37.48 | Agouti | after I fix up this map |
| 04:37.49 | Agouti | D: |
| 04:38.00 | Vesuvius | haha |
| 04:38.14 | Vesuvius | fuck i just want my damn magazine ability to work properly :( |
| 04:38.17 | Xapti | how does one make a minimap range indicator visibile only to the owner player? |
| 04:38.20 | Vesuvius | i even tried giving gateways a turret |
| 04:39.14 | Agouti | xapti: if you can figure out why my spectres can walk through forcefields |
| 04:39.17 | Agouti | I will tell you |
| 04:39.24 | Vesuvius | lol |
| 04:39.27 | Vesuvius | that's just cold |
| 04:39.41 | Agouti | I call it an even exchange of goods |
| 04:39.55 | Vesuvius | your problem is likely obscure |
| 04:39.57 | Vesuvius | and much harder |
| 04:40.04 | Agouti | perhaps |
| 04:40.08 | Xapti | Nevermind I think i figured it out |
| 04:40.13 | Bounty | Agouti |
| 04:40.15 | Bounty | we are about to test |
| 04:40.18 | Bounty | if u want in |
| 04:40.18 | Vesuvius | see what i mean? :P |
| 04:40.19 | Agouti | can't |
| 04:40.21 | Bounty | to see if it works |
| 04:40.22 | Agouti | massive bug |
| 04:40.25 | Agouti | needs fixing |
| 04:40.26 | Xapti | what map are you testing |
| 04:40.30 | Agouti | gamebreaking exploit |
| 04:40.34 | Vesuvius | agouti, what about the collision flags? |
| 04:40.35 | Vesuvius | :P |
| 04:40.43 | Agouti | collision flags? |
| 04:40.45 | Agouti | :o |
| 04:40.46 | Vesuvius | in the unit |
| 04:40.47 | Vesuvius | lol |
| 04:40.57 | Vesuvius | they're probably set properly though |
| 04:43.09 | Agouti | :D:D:D:D:D:D:D |
| 04:43.12 | Agouti | that was it |
| 04:43.15 | Vesuvius | you're kidding |
| 04:43.16 | Vesuvius | haha |
| 04:43.22 | Agouti | Ves, I owe you 1x massive problem fixed |
| 04:43.25 | Agouti | or a handjob |
| 04:43.26 | Vesuvius | lol |
| 04:43.27 | Agouti | either/or |
| 04:43.33 | Agouti | man |
| 04:43.37 | Agouti | thank fuck for that |
| 04:43.42 | Vesuvius | i have a magazine ability |
| 04:43.58 | Agouti | which I know nothing about |
| 04:43.59 | Agouti | good start |
| 04:44.01 | Agouti | continue |
| 04:44.08 | Vesuvius | that won't spawn the ammo on the correct side of the unit :P |
| 04:44.17 | Vesuvius | it's probably unfixable |
| 04:44.28 | Agouti | alright let me publish this |
| 04:44.31 | Agouti | then I'll have a look |
| 04:45.26 | Xapti | I didn't figure out how to make minimap range actors visible only to owner player |
| 04:45.27 | Vesuvius | i think i need to just come up with an alternate method tbh |
| 04:45.48 | Vail | i am having the same problem Ves |
| 04:45.48 | Vesuvius | i could just make the ammo unit spawn at the center of the firing unit |
| 04:46.13 | Agouti | too bad xap, ves fixed my problem |
| 04:46.24 | Agouti | now you have nothing I want >:3 |
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| 04:46.40 | Vesuvius | any ideas vail? |
| 04:47.40 | Vail | nope |
| 04:49.16 | Agouti | ok, just got to but the changelog up |
| 04:49.19 | Agouti | then I'll have a look |
| 04:49.44 | Skittles | Mmm |
| 04:49.47 | Skittles | you don't say |
| 04:51.29 | Bounty | Agouti |
| 04:51.31 | Bounty | it didnt work |
| 04:52.28 | Skittles | haha |
| 04:52.31 | Skittles | =P |
| 04:55.37 | Agouti | Bounty: oh, thats me all out of ideas, then |
| 04:55.46 | Agouti | unless it's something in one of the abilities? |
| 04:56.05 | Agouti | like, one of the abilities stuffs up if it gets used by 2 people at the same time? |
| 04:56.08 | Bounty | http://pastebin.com/V85MENCn |
| 04:56.13 | Bounty | thats the ability we use to test |
| 04:56.33 | Agouti | Deahtknight |
| 04:56.33 | Agouti | :P |
| 04:56.46 | Bounty | yeah thats not the classes name |
| 04:56.50 | Bounty | i just called it that |
| 04:56.52 | Bounty | i remember it better |
| 04:56.53 | Bounty | lol |
| 04:56.59 | Agouti | typo i was poking fun at |
| 04:57.13 | Agouti | still a bunch of Triggering Players but seems that is not the issue |
| 04:57.28 | Agouti | what does |
| 04:57.29 | Agouti | Played Controlled Unit |
| 04:57.30 | Agouti | do |
| 04:57.34 | Rodrigo | I am free like a chiken in the sky :))))))))))))))))))))))) |
| 04:57.40 | Rodrigo | chicken |
| 04:57.40 | Bounty | thats the variable used for controlling the units with wasd |
| 04:57.41 | Agouti | what |
| 04:57.43 | Bounty | like |
| 04:57.46 | Bounty | when u select a class |
| 04:57.50 | Bounty | it creates that class unit |
| 04:57.50 | Agouti | yeah kk |
| 04:57.52 | Bounty | and assigns it |
| 04:57.52 | Bounty | etc |
| 04:57.55 | Agouti | and you set it to an array |
| 04:57.57 | Agouti | goodo |
| 04:57.59 | Bounty | yeah |
| 04:58.10 | Agouti | same with Player Groups? |
| 04:58.13 | Bounty | yep |
| 04:58.18 | Agouti | sweet |
| 04:58.32 | Skittles | what's happening bounty? |
| 04:58.38 | Bounty | Overload |
| 04:58.41 | Bounty | lol |
| 04:58.43 | Agouti | it is getting loading problems |
| 04:58.49 | Bounty | its like |
| 04:58.50 | Bounty | skipping |
| 04:58.54 | Bounty | when to much shit is going on |
| 04:58.56 | Skittles | to many executions? |
| 04:59.00 | Bounty | yeah |
| 04:59.07 | Bounty | even though the triggers have no wait times |
| 04:59.10 | Skittles | It may not be from the trigger it says in the error |
| 04:59.24 | Bounty | huh? |
| 04:59.30 | Skittles | it just tells u the last one that happened that may it past the limit, but not the majority trigger in use |
| 04:59.30 | Agouti | er |
| 04:59.37 | Agouti | Bounty |
| 04:59.38 | Bounty | i know |
| 04:59.42 | Agouti | oh never mind |
| 04:59.44 | Agouti | my bad |
| 04:59.49 | Bounty | ? |
| 04:59.50 | Bounty | what? |
| 04:59.53 | Agouti | wait |
| 04:59.53 | Bounty | lol |
| 04:59.53 | Agouti | yes |
| 04:59.55 | Agouti | ok |
| 05:00.07 | Skittles | Do you know which trigger is doing it? |
| 05:00.07 | Agouti | you need to replace Triggering Player with PlayerID in that function |
| 05:00.21 | Agouti | that could be doing weird shit |
| 05:00.25 | Bounty | ok |
| 05:00.28 | Bounty | anything else? |
| 05:00.30 | Bounty | ok skittles |
| 05:00.32 | Bounty | herei s the trigger |
| 05:00.34 | Agouti | who knows *what* Triggering Player is when you call that function |
| 05:00.37 | Bounty | http://pastebin.com/2rYEpkAW |
| 05:00.40 | Bounty | this is the fuction |
| 05:00.43 | Agouti | it could be anything |
| 05:00.44 | Bounty | http://pastebin.com/V85MENCn |
| 05:00.53 | Bounty | someone said its like something is overwriting |
| 05:00.54 | Bounty | like |
| 05:00.57 | Bounty | ok |
| 05:00.59 | Bounty | 12 players right |
| 05:00.59 | Agouti | actually |
| 05:01.03 | Bounty | we all mid in the center of the map |
| 05:01.05 | Bounty | meet* |
| 05:01.07 | Agouti | Bounty: I think that is the problem |
| 05:01.09 | Bounty | and start spamming |
| 05:01.14 | Bounty | but it doesnt happen instantly |
| 05:01.18 | Bounty | it takes like 10 seconds of doing it |
| 05:01.22 | Bounty | then it goes bonkers |
| 05:01.24 | Agouti | those Triggering Player's are actually undefined in that action - who knows what they are doing |
| 05:01.35 | Agouti | because there is no event setting them |
| 05:01.38 | Agouti | they could be anything |
| 05:01.53 | Skittles | that would just be skipped I think tho |
| 05:02.04 | Agouti | usually you get a big error |
| 05:02.07 | Agouti | if you try and do that |
| 05:02.08 | Skittles | wait, no it wouldn't be, I had that issue a few days ago |
| 05:02.16 | Bounty | thing is |
| 05:02.21 | Bounty | those two triggering players u see |
| 05:02.21 | Agouti | somethign along the lines of There was a problem starting Starcraft II |
| 05:02.22 | Skittles | Yeah, would get a error and nothing would run after it. |
| 05:02.24 | Bounty | with the dialog |
| 05:02.29 | Bounty | i've removed those before |
| 05:02.31 | Bounty | to see if that was it |
| 05:02.34 | Bounty | it didnt do anything |
| 05:02.38 | Agouti | regardless though |
| 05:02.42 | Agouti | they need to be changed |
| 05:02.43 | Bounty | yeah |
| 05:02.45 | Skittles | regardless! |
| 05:02.45 | Bounty | i just changed it |
| 05:02.46 | Bounty | lol |
| 05:02.46 | Skittles | =D |
| 05:02.50 | Agouti | :) |
| 05:03.14 | Agouti | ok |
| 05:03.18 | Skittles | to lazy to read them triggers tho Xd |
| 05:03.27 | Agouti | try moving the energy usage stuff to data |
| 05:03.43 | Agouti | like, just set a 50 energy cost on the abilities themselves |
| 05:03.52 | Agouti | ... oh |
| 05:03.52 | Bounty | there is no abilities |
| 05:03.52 | Agouti | no |
| 05:03.54 | Bounty | lol |
| 05:03.54 | Agouti | you can't |
| 05:03.56 | Agouti | yeah |
| 05:03.58 | Agouti | sorry |
| 05:03.59 | Bounty | :) |
| 05:04.00 | Agouti | retard moment |
| 05:04.17 | Bounty | well at this point its pretty much i gotta abandon this |
| 05:04.20 | Bounty | which uscks |
| 05:04.23 | Bounty | it was alot of fun lol |
| 05:04.30 | Skittles | 0.0 |
| 05:04.31 | Agouti | so it's def not the dialogs? |
| 05:04.35 | Bounty | nah |
| 05:04.37 | Bounty | i removed them before |
| 05:04.43 | Bounty | i went on a deleting spree |
| 05:04.47 | Bounty | just deleting shit |
| 05:04.50 | Bounty | to see if it helped |
| 05:04.50 | Bounty | lol |
| 05:04.54 | Agouti | yeah |
| 05:04.58 | Agouti | done that before |
| 05:05.01 | Agouti | I WILL FIND IT |
| 05:05.05 | Agouti | IF I HAVE TO KILL IT |
| 05:05.08 | Agouti | rawr etc |
| 05:05.13 | Bounty | exactly |
| 05:05.28 | Bounty | what about |
| 05:05.29 | Bounty | this |
| 05:05.33 | Agouti | Variable - Modify Stamina[PlayerID]: - 25 |
| 05:05.42 | Agouti | is that setting stamina to a negative? |
| 05:05.49 | Agouti | or subtracting 25 |
| 05:05.54 | Bounty | no |
| 05:06.04 | Bounty | what if it was though? |
| 05:06.04 | Bounty | lol |
| 05:06.10 | Agouti | idk... negative stats |
| 05:06.12 | Agouti | or |
| 05:06.16 | Agouti | actually. |
| 05:06.18 | Agouti | if |
| 05:06.25 | Bounty | wait |
| 05:06.27 | Agouti | an integer gets really really big |
| 05:06.29 | Bounty | it cant set it to a negative |
| 05:06.32 | Agouti | it fucks thigns up |
| 05:06.35 | Agouti | as well |
| 05:06.38 | Bounty | it does a check |
| 05:06.42 | Bounty | to see if its > 25 |
| 05:06.45 | Bounty | then it subtracts 25 |
| 05:06.47 | Agouti | ah |
| 05:06.48 | Agouti | yeah |
| 05:06.49 | Agouti | right |
| 05:06.51 | Agouti | woops |
| 05:06.52 | Bounty | but |
| 05:06.52 | Agouti | sorry |
| 05:06.56 | Bounty | heres another area of concern |
| 05:06.58 | Bounty | http://pastebin.com/K65Ep1SQ |
| 05:06.59 | Agouti | but |
| 05:07.02 | Agouti | bounty |
| 05:07.02 | Bounty | maybe this periodic? |
| 05:07.03 | Agouti | is it |
| 05:07.09 | Agouti | o periodic |
| 05:07.10 | Skittles | all you gotta do |
| 05:07.15 | Agouti | sus. |
| 05:07.15 | Skittles | if u really want to check it all |
| 05:07.21 | Skittles | is add text in each trigger |
| 05:07.25 | Skittles | and see if something doesn't end |
| 05:07.35 | Bounty | it does end |
| 05:07.35 | Agouti | bountyL oh god |
| 05:07.38 | Skittles | or doesn't execute |
| 05:07.40 | Agouti | oh god, bounty |
| 05:07.41 | Bounty | bc it only happens if its above 10 players |
| 05:07.49 | Bounty | WAIT |
| 05:07.51 | Bounty | WHAT? |
| 05:07.55 | Bounty | OH GOD is good |
| 05:07.57 | Bounty | lol |
| 05:07.59 | Agouti | Timer - Every 0.0625 seconds of Real Time @__@ |
| 05:08.08 | Bounty | yeah |
| 05:08.13 | Bounty | is real time bad? |
| 05:08.15 | Agouti | then does somethign for EVERY PLAYER |
| 05:08.22 | Agouti | 20 times a second |
| 05:08.26 | Xapti | the problem is the frequency |
| 05:08.27 | Agouti | i call that sus |
| 05:08.35 | Bounty | wait so |
| 05:08.37 | Bounty | do u think that |
| 05:08.39 | Bounty | in conjuction |
| 05:08.42 | Bounty | with everyone clicking |
| 05:08.44 | Bounty | is the problem? |
| 05:08.49 | Agouti | probably |
| 05:08.51 | Xapti | shouldn't make any trigger that grequent AFAIK, let alone a huge one that triggers for all players |
| 05:08.54 | Skittles | probably not |
| 05:08.59 | Bounty | well |
| 05:09.04 | Bounty | it has to be frequent |
| 05:09.05 | Agouti | ok, I will put |
| 05:09.07 | Agouti | $50 |
| 05:09.08 | Bounty | u see that one fuction? |
| 05:09.08 | Skittles | clicking executes how many triggers for how long? |
| 05:09.11 | Bounty | Movement |
| 05:09.11 | Agouti | on these being the problem |
| 05:09.15 | Bounty | that trigger is what works the wasd |
| 05:09.27 | Bounty | well |
| 05:09.27 | Agouti | there are |
| 05:09.29 | Bounty | in our testing |
| 05:09.30 | Agouti | no |
| 05:09.30 | Skittles | Cuz it takes 1000 triggers to make it go past its limit |
| 05:09.31 | Agouti | look |
| 05:09.34 | Agouti | right |
| 05:09.35 | Agouti | Player Group - Pick each player in (Active Players) and do (Actions) |
| 05:09.38 | Agouti | that is in ther |
| 05:09.39 | Agouti | 3 times |
| 05:09.40 | Agouti | 3! |
| 05:09.46 | Agouti | and it gets called 20 times a second |
| 05:09.50 | Agouti | no wonder it's lagging |
| 05:09.52 | Agouti | lol |
| 05:10.00 | Bounty | yeah well it has to check diff conditions lol |
| 05:10.05 | Agouti | I know |
| 05:10.06 | Agouti | but |
| 05:10.16 | Agouti | look at alll the stuff it has to do |
| 05:10.20 | Agouti | to every player |
| 05:10.22 | Agouti | so fast |
| 05:10.24 | Skittles | lol |
| 05:10.38 | Bounty | well the game runs fine with 10 ppl |
| 05:10.40 | Skittles | What's it for? |
| 05:10.42 | Skittles | Hp bar? |
| 05:10.48 | Bounty | among other things |
| 05:10.49 | Bounty | lol |
| 05:10.58 | Skittles | just make it happen when they take dmg then |
| 05:11.03 | Agouti | $50 says that is your problem |
| 05:11.05 | Agouti | right there |
| 05:11.09 | Agouti | and _1 to skittles |
| 05:11.12 | Agouti | +1* |
| 05:11.15 | Skittles | might be his problem for lag |
| 05:11.16 | Skittles | but |
| 05:11.21 | Agouti | Unit - When Any Unit Takes Damage |
| 05:11.24 | Skittles | not his problem for 1000 executions |
| 05:11.29 | Agouti | (modify dialogs) |
| 05:11.30 | Skittles | tho im sure it contributes |
| 05:11.35 | Agouti | oh yeah |
| 05:11.37 | Bounty | wait so |
| 05:11.40 | Bounty | whats this about a limit |
| 05:11.45 | Bounty | 1000 triggers can be fired n thats it? |
| 05:11.48 | Skittles | yeah |
| 05:11.53 | Skittles | 1000 at once |
| 05:11.55 | Bounty | oh |
| 05:11.56 | Agouti | the game can only do so much in every cycle |
| 05:11.56 | Bounty | at once |
| 05:11.58 | Bounty | lol |
| 05:12.01 | Skittles | lol |
| 05:12.02 | Agouti | but |
| 05:12.04 | Agouti | to the game |
| 05:12.07 | Agouti | it's not discrete time |
| 05:12.09 | Bounty | well i dont have 1000 triggers firing at once |
| 05:12.21 | Agouti | everything has to be done in the server equivilant of a framerate |
| 05:12.24 | Skittles | if it says it does it does |
| 05:12.26 | Skittles | :p |
| 05:12.27 | Agouti | like CSS has server tick |
| 05:12.39 | Agouti | the server has game frames |
| 05:12.47 | Agouti | and it does a bunch of stuff in each frame |
| 05:12.58 | Agouti | idk what the framerate is |
| 05:13.06 | Agouti | but if there is more than 1000 to do in each frame |
| 05:13.15 | Agouti | then they will build up like a dam |
| 05:13.22 | Skittles | I used to know, used to test it |
| 05:13.25 | Skittles | but i forgot what it waws |
| 05:13.27 | Bounty | ok |
| 05:13.27 | Bounty | so |
| 05:13.30 | Agouti | so |
| 05:13.32 | Bounty | when it goes over 1k |
| 05:13.34 | Bounty | what happens? |
| 05:13.34 | Skittles | 967 751 or something like that |
| 05:13.36 | Bounty | what i described? |
| 05:13.38 | Bounty | right? |
| 05:13.41 | Agouti | sounds right |
| 05:13.42 | Agouti | yet |
| 05:13.44 | Bounty | its like |
| 05:13.44 | Agouti | yes |
| 05:13.46 | Agouti | so |
| 05:13.47 | Bounty | ur playing with someone with a 56k modem |
| 05:13.51 | Agouti | yes |
| 05:13.51 | Skittles | it just turns every trigger off, because nothing can run |
| 05:13.55 | Agouti | so why it takes 10 seconds |
| 05:14.00 | Skittles | and gives u a execution error |
| 05:14.01 | Agouti | is because it's like a buffer filling up |
| 05:14.05 | Agouti | then when it overflows |
| 05:14.06 | Agouti | BAM |
| 05:14.07 | Bounty | thats not whats happening |
| 05:14.10 | Bounty | nothing turns off |
| 05:14.12 | Bounty | no errors |
| 05:14.17 | Bounty | it just skips like a mother fucker |
| 05:14.17 | Agouti | ANYWAY |
| 05:14.19 | Agouti | that is shit code |
| 05:14.21 | Agouti | right there |
| 05:14.23 | Skittles | lol |
| 05:14.24 | Bounty | ok? |
| 05:14.28 | Agouti | :P |
| 05:14.29 | Bounty | did i ever claim to be good? |
| 05:14.32 | Bounty | :) |
| 05:14.33 | Agouti | hey hey hey |
| 05:14.36 | Agouti | the rest was good |
| 05:14.38 | Agouti | no excuses |
| 05:14.48 | Agouti | is on to you |
| 05:14.51 | Agouti | anyway |
| 05:14.51 | Bounty | im addicted to periodics |
| 05:14.53 | Bounty | :( |
| 05:14.58 | Agouti | periodics are evil D: |
| 05:15.05 | Bounty | ok so |
| 05:15.09 | Bounty | how can i fix that periodic |
| 05:15.10 | Agouti | move the health bar stuff into Unit Takes Damage events |
| 05:15.13 | Bounty | i understand the unit damage thing |
| 05:15.17 | Bounty | yeah |
| 05:15.19 | Agouti | you only need to update it when a unit takes damage |
| 05:15.20 | Bounty | that i can do |
| 05:15.20 | Agouti | so |
| 05:15.22 | Agouti | only do it then |
| 05:15.26 | Bounty | what about when a unit heals? |
| 05:15.27 | Bounty | =P |
| 05:15.36 | Agouti | they are abilities? |
| 05:15.38 | Agouti | or |
| 05:15.39 | Agouti | not |
| 05:15.49 | Bounty | well i did want to add a natural regen |
| 05:15.53 | Bounty | but i guess not? lolool |
| 05:15.56 | Agouti | heh |
| 05:15.58 | Agouti | hmm |
| 05:15.59 | Bounty | there is a healing ability yes |
| 05:16.05 | Agouti | well... |
| 05:16.05 | Bounty | i know i can just add it on there |
| 05:16.06 | Agouti | ok |
| 05:16.10 | Agouti | in that case |
| 05:16.12 | Agouti | try |
| 05:16.17 | JManV | isn't there a unit life changes event? |
| 05:16.20 | Agouti | Unit Properties Change |
| 05:16.22 | Xapti | i hate having any periodics in my map |
| 05:16.30 | Xapti | but I have one right now because otherwise it would be crap |
| 05:16.32 | Agouti | the even is something like that |
| 05:16.42 | JManV | yeah |
| 05:16.46 | JManV | unit life changes |
| 05:16.50 | Agouti | then as the property select Life (current) |
| 05:16.51 | JManV | unit shields changes |
| 05:17.08 | Bounty | ok |
| 05:17.09 | Agouti | I use that for one of my units which slowly grows and evolves |
| 05:17.09 | JManV | unit property change |
| 05:17.10 | Bounty | got that |
| 05:17.16 | Bounty | but what about the respawn countdown |
| 05:17.19 | Bounty | i guess thats gone? |
| 05:17.23 | Agouti | hmm? |
| 05:17.24 | Agouti | what? |
| 05:17.26 | Bounty | at the bottom |
| 05:17.36 | Bounty | the game uses a global respawn timer |
| 05:17.37 | Agouti | well... 1 second periodic? |
| 05:17.38 | Bounty | like in WoW |
| 05:17.43 | Agouti | oh |
| 05:17.44 | Agouti | that |
| 05:17.46 | JManV | a timer has to be a periodic |
| 05:17.48 | Agouti | just use a timer window... |
| 05:17.53 | Agouti | lol |
| 05:17.53 | JManV | or yeah |
| 05:17.55 | JManV | timer window |
| 05:18.03 | Bounty | can u do that? |
| 05:18.04 | Bounty | while hiding game ui |
| 05:18.12 | JManV | i think so |
| 05:18.12 | Agouti | it's a dialog |
| 05:18.16 | Agouti | shouldn't be effected |
| 05:18.17 | JManV | you can still show a dialog, right? |
| 05:18.19 | Agouti | *affected |
| 05:18.22 | Bounty | yeah |
| 05:18.27 | JManV | try it |
| 05:18.30 | JManV | it should work |
| 05:18.31 | Agouti | anyway, use that |
| 05:18.36 | Agouti | then once the game is working lag free |
| 05:18.40 | Agouti | THEN try to be more fancy |
| 05:18.43 | Agouti | :P |
| 05:18.48 | Bounty | i doubt this will work |
| 05:18.51 | Bounty | i think im just fucked |
| 05:18.54 | Bounty | im still gonna do it though |
| 05:18.54 | Agouti | that periodic |
| 05:18.55 | Skittles | lol |
| 05:18.58 | Bounty | bc i really want this map to work lol |
| 05:18.59 | Agouti | i swear |
| 05:19.08 | Agouti | that thing would cause massive lag regardless |
| 05:19.15 | JManV | i played it. it was pretty cool |
| 05:19.21 | Agouti | any periodic with a Pick Each is auto-evil |
| 05:19.32 | Bounty | it has a SHIT LOAD more content now Jman |
| 05:19.38 | Bounty | which is why id ont want it to die |
| 05:19.39 | Bounty | lol |
| 05:19.49 | Bounty | its like WoW alterac valley x10 |
| 05:19.52 | Bounty | tons of objectives |
| 05:20.02 | Xapti | my periodic is every .5s to update unit status dialogs |
| 05:20.05 | Agouti | <Vesuvius>: did you get your problem fixed? |
| 05:20.06 | Xapti | for each player |
| 05:20.06 | Shawn|Rawr | Why do you have two events in that triggeR? |
| 05:20.19 | *** join/#sc2mapster PassivePicasso (~Twiner@c-24-218-116-235.hsd1.ct.comcast.net) |
| 05:20.20 | Bounty | which one? |
| 05:20.28 | Skittles | same map i played with u bounty? |
| 05:20.28 | Bounty | the mouse click? |
| 05:20.42 | Bounty | so someone doesnt run the trigger with middle mouse button |
| 05:20.43 | Skittles | u can have two events, it will just run for either one |
| 05:20.45 | Bounty | by accident |
| 05:21.23 | Bounty | also |
| 05:21.25 | Shawn|Rawr | To each his own |
| 05:21.26 | Bounty | someone told me |
| 05:21.36 | Bounty | to take my damage effects trigger and break them up |
| 05:21.40 | Bounty | like i ussed to have unit takes any damage |
| 05:21.46 | Bounty | then it would check for what damage type |
| 05:21.49 | Bounty | he told me to split them up |
| 05:21.54 | Bounty | thoughts? |
| 05:21.55 | Bounty | lol |
| 05:22.12 | Vesuvius | no agouti |
| 05:22.20 | Vesuvius | i don't think it's possible with this framework |
| 05:22.25 | Vesuvius | i'll need to take a different approach |
| 05:22.51 | Agouti | what did you find? |
| 05:22.59 | Agouti | what actor controls the minimap ring |
| 05:23.37 | Vesuvius | hmm? |
| 05:24.01 | Agouti | oh |
| 05:24.06 | Agouti | the range is just a flag |
| 05:24.09 | Agouti | not an actor |
| 05:24.11 | Agouti | how lame |
| 05:25.03 | Bounty | is it better to use pick each player |
| 05:25.08 | Bounty | or just manually put them in |
| 05:25.11 | Bounty | like 1 2 3 4 |
| 05:25.21 | Agouti | well you don't know how many players are in |
| 05:25.31 | Agouti | but doing it with Any Unit Takes Damage |
| 05:25.35 | Agouti | you don't need to do that |
| 05:25.36 | Agouti | do you? |
| 05:25.37 | Bounty | i just dont understand how this will fix it though |
| 05:25.40 | Bounty | like i can get rid of some things |
| 05:25.42 | Vesuvius | i believe pick player is supposed to be very optimized |
| 05:25.46 | Agouti | because less code will run |
| 05:25.48 | Bounty | but the pick player has to be there |
| 05:25.49 | Agouti | bounty |
| 05:25.52 | Agouti | yeah |
| 05:25.53 | Agouti | but |
| 05:25.58 | Agouti | instead of running nonstop |
| 05:26.03 | Agouti | it will only run when it needs to |
| 05:26.08 | Agouti | which means much less load |
| 05:26.20 | Xapti | How can I make minimap range actors (or any other actor) visible only to owner player? |
| 05:26.32 | Agouti | they can't xapti |
| 05:26.36 | Agouti | from what I can see |
| 05:26.41 | Agouti | it's just a flag D: |
| 05:26.50 | Agouti | unless you can create it yourself... somehow |
| 05:26.55 | Agouti | through some other means |
| 05:26.57 | Xapti | oh I sorta thouht that might have been the case |
| 05:27.09 | Xapti | I'd have to make a custom minimap or something |
| 05:27.25 | Xapti | what about just making an actor invisible to other players even |
| 05:27.47 | Xapti | a normal actor |
| 05:28.18 | Agouti | sadly it's not an actor that does it, not directly |
| 05:28.28 | Agouti | it's a flag on the Radar actor |
| 05:28.35 | Agouti | which displays it for all players |
| 05:28.36 | Xapti | yeah i'm aware of that |
| 05:28.46 | Skittles | hmm, I can't decide, for my next map should I use trigger or data editor for spells. =( |
| 05:28.49 | Bounty | ok well |
| 05:28.52 | Bounty | if this doesnt work |
| 05:28.54 | Bounty | then its gg yes? |
| 05:28.56 | Bounty | lol |
| 05:29.01 | Agouti | skittles: geek points are awarded for data |
| 05:29.13 | Agouti | unless you have some other little nugget hidden away there |
| 05:29.16 | Xapti | I had to use both for mine |
| 05:29.17 | Skittles | yeah but it's just so... |
| 05:29.29 | Skittles | well |
| 05:29.36 | Skittles | I plan on using both as well |
| 05:29.42 | Agouti | you can actually do things with data you can't do with triggers |
| 05:29.46 | Skittles | cause lightning has to be via data |
| 05:29.50 | Agouti | just like the other way around |
| 05:30.06 | Skittles | oh joy |
| 05:30.08 | Skittles | lol |
| 05:30.11 | Agouti | Xapti: here is an idea |
| 05:30.34 | Agouti | have a trigger that creates model-less units around the edge of the range |
| 05:30.39 | Agouti | which have no vision |
| 05:30.41 | Xapti | DAMN wine s so sour after eating chocolate bars lol |
| 05:30.49 | Agouti | they would appear on the players minimap |
| 05:30.51 | Xapti | bad combo |
| 05:30.54 | Bounty | so |
| 05:30.59 | Bounty | anyone want to help test this? |
| 05:31.00 | Agouti | but you could flag them so they would never appear on anyone elses |
| 05:31.05 | Bounty | i figured out a short cut agouti |
| 05:31.09 | Agouti | o oh |
| 05:31.12 | Bounty | i deleted the entire periodic except the movement |
| 05:31.14 | Bounty | lol |
| 05:31.17 | Agouti | hey |
| 05:31.18 | Bounty | for testing of course |
| 05:31.18 | Agouti | that works |
| 05:31.25 | Agouti | :) |
| 05:31.27 | Agouti | I'll come |
| 05:32.14 | Bounty | uploading now |
| 05:32.29 | Bounty | at the best |
| 05:32.35 | Bounty | ull get to see the beast in action |
| 05:32.37 | Bounty | lol |
| 05:32.43 | Xapti | that's a good idea agouti. What about making normal actors that aren't visible to other players |
| 05:32.56 | Agouti | they would need to be units |
| 05:32.57 | Agouti | I think |
| 05:32.59 | Bounty | anyone else want to help? |
| 05:33.02 | Agouti | but they wouldn't need a model |
| 05:33.05 | Bounty | will only take like 10 seconds |
| 05:33.10 | Bounty | all u gotta do is click |
| 05:33.10 | Bounty | lol |
| 05:33.17 | Agouti | and you can flag them to Prevent Reveal, Do Not Show On Radar |
| 05:33.17 | Xapti | no I'm saying normal actors that have models |
| 05:33.33 | Xapti | on the normal screen, not minimap anymre |
| 05:33.44 | Agouti | yeah, thats what I was saying |
| 05:33.52 | Agouti | put them on the ground |
| 05:33.56 | Agouti | just nobody else can see them |
| 05:34.07 | Agouti | because they are flagged |
| 05:34.15 | Agouti | but all your units show up on your minimap |
| 05:34.24 | Agouti | you might even be able to specify the minimap icon |
| 05:34.25 | Xapti | no I'm askign a separate question now lol |
| 05:34.40 | Agouti | AFAIK, you cannot place a model without a unit |
| 05:34.53 | Agouti | has to be unit |
| 05:34.59 | Xapti | how to make a normal actor invisible to other players than 1 player |
| 05:35.32 | Xapti | like an example attach green slime to a unit, but only 1 player can see the green sime |
| 05:35.46 | Agouti | oh |
| 05:35.47 | Agouti | er |
| 05:35.51 | Agouti | um |
| 05:35.57 | Xapti | I think it needs to be a unit? |
| 05:36.05 | Bounty | msg me again agouti when i log back on |
| 05:36.17 | Agouti | I think |
| 05:36.18 | Xapti | although I don't know how to attach units to other units |
| 05:36.20 | Agouti | um |
| 05:36.22 | Skittles | just noticed something |
| 05:36.31 | Agouti | wouldn't it be the model, not the actor? |
| 05:36.33 | Skittles | the no pathing has an icon with a tree and road on it |
| 05:36.34 | Agouti | the actor... |
| 05:36.35 | Agouti | i dunno |
| 05:36.40 | Skittles | while the ground pathing has nothing at all on it |
| 05:37.02 | Xapti | lol |
| 05:37.14 | Xapti | i guess it's to signify |
| 05:37.21 | Xapti | that the tree is blocking |
| 05:37.37 | Skittles | lol |
| 05:37.43 | Skittles | naw tree is behind road |
| 05:37.44 | Bounty | skits |
| 05:37.47 | Bounty | log on for a few seconds |
| 05:37.49 | Bounty | and help |
| 05:37.49 | Bounty | :) |
| 05:37.52 | Skittles | XD |
| 05:37.58 | Xapti | I can go on |
| 05:38.06 | Bounty | PM me @ Bounty.820 |
| 05:38.15 | Xapti | i'm 820 too |
| 05:38.17 | Xapti | :o |
| 05:38.26 | Bounty | high five |
| 05:38.37 | Skittles | in binary im 1 |
| 05:39.05 | Agouti | btw |
| 05:39.10 | Agouti | ground pathing is next to useless |
| 05:39.14 | Agouti | :( |
| 05:39.16 | Skittles | btw i like how u stole my friends bounty lol |
| 05:39.25 | Skittles | not really agouti |
| 05:39.26 | Bounty | what? lol |
| 05:39.33 | Skittles | lets people run over doodads |
| 05:39.40 | Skittles | and cliffs |
| 05:39.43 | Skittles | and cliff level zero |
| 05:39.45 | Skittles | and blah |
| 05:39.48 | Agouti | spose |
| 05:39.54 | Agouti | ok |
| 05:39.56 | Agouti | let me ammend that |
| 05:40.03 | Agouti | it hasn't been able to do anything I wanted it to |
| 05:40.05 | Skittles | blizz shoulda let us layer pathing so we could make houses |
| 05:40.22 | Agouti | lol? |
| 05:40.27 | Skittles | !! |
| 05:40.33 | Agouti | how |
| 05:40.36 | Skittles | how what? |
| 05:40.45 | Agouti | what how? |
| 05:40.55 | Agouti | what cow... |
| 05:40.58 | Agouti | white cow? |
| 05:41.00 | Skittles | houses? Just tell the unit +10 z or w/e u want |
| 05:41.03 | Agouti | RACIST |
| 05:41.04 | Xapti | ground pathing lets units run on the lowest cliff level too |
| 05:41.07 | Skittles | BITCH PLEASE |
| 05:41.09 | Skittles | I MIGHT BE |
| 05:41.16 | Xapti | like open space and the floor of pits |
| 05:41.23 | Bounty | ok guys |
| 05:41.25 | Skittles | i mentioned that Xap |
| 05:41.30 | Bounty | go back to starcraft window |
| 05:41.32 | Bounty | we're about to go |
| 05:41.33 | Skittles | cliff level zero |
| 05:41.37 | Xapti | oh |
| 05:41.45 | Agouti | I have both open |
| 05:41.46 | Xapti | right |
| 05:41.47 | Agouti | it's cool |
| 05:41.47 | Agouti | dw |
| 05:41.48 | Bounty | When the game starts |
| 05:41.49 | Agouti | I got this |
| 05:41.53 | Bounty | Pick the Footman |
| 05:41.55 | Bounty | ok? |
| 05:41.57 | Agouti | NO |
| 05:41.58 | Bounty | hes the one we use for testing |
| 05:42.01 | Agouti | by which i mean |
| 05:42.01 | Xapti | when are we starting the game |
| 05:42.01 | Skittles | mk |
| 05:42.02 | Agouti | sure |
| 05:42.02 | Bounty | no others will work |
| 05:42.31 | Xapti | when are we starting the game? |
| 05:42.31 | Skittles | lol i like sc2 |
| 05:42.38 | Bounty | 5 seconds |
| 05:42.44 | Skittles | it makes my computer hot atm and that makes me hotter which is good cause its cold |
| 05:42.44 | Agouti | do you really now, skittles |
| 05:42.52 | Agouti | lol |
| 05:42.55 | Skittles | the actual game? no way! |
| 05:42.56 | Skittles | lol |
| 05:43.32 | Skittles | im surprised nobody has made it so you can't run up slopes yet |
| 05:43.51 | Skittles | You gonna do it agouti? |
| 05:48.59 | Demalii | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:49.05 | Demalii | so i can just use text on the screen? |
| 05:51.42 | Skittles | i think both have a background |
| 05:51.52 | Skittles | but there is a trigger that says hide background |
| 05:51.59 | Skittles | under dialogs |
| 05:52.19 | Demalii | ok ty |
| 05:54.56 | Demalii | i'm having a hard time.. i did this.. and just can't get the text to show.. |
| 05:55.18 | Demalii | "create dialog" // "hide dialog bkground" // "create dialog label - "Stage 1" |
| 05:55.26 | Demalii | any help on that =/ |
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| 05:59.31 | Demalii | ohh duh, show dialog |
| 05:59.37 | Demalii | <- forgets the obvious |
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| 06:05.00 | *** join/#sc2mapster Keo_ (18e3ae1d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.227.174.29) |
| 06:05.07 | Keo_ | hello |
| 06:05.59 | Skittles | HIGH SCORE BITCHES! AHJAHAHAAHA |
| 06:06.01 | Skittles | hi |
| 06:06.05 | Keo_ | How come no one hangs out on the ventrillo server? |
| 06:06.22 | Skittles | There's a vent ? |
| 06:06.24 | Agouti | isn't it obvious? |
| 06:06.24 | Skittles | lol |
| 06:06.29 | Agouti | what vent O__o |
| 06:06.53 | Keo_ | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/general/general-chat/2878-sc2mapster-staff-irc-ventrilo/#p9 |
| 06:08.20 | Skittles | oh wells |
| 06:08.22 | Skittles | irc ftw |
| 06:08.31 | Keo_ | Anyone here working on an AI? |
| 06:08.42 | Skittles | I started the idea of ai |
| 06:08.50 | Skittles | but have yet to work on the trigger |
| 06:08.57 | Keo_ | Did rowland stoppped working on behemoth? |
| 06:09.22 | Skittles | If that's what I think it is, then that was never meant to be a "thing" |
| 06:09.34 | Keo_ | what do you mean? |
| 06:09.44 | Skittles | he just did it to do it, not to use it |
| 06:10.05 | Xapti | there's a vent? |
| 06:10.21 | Skittles | He made a bunch of spells for a data weekly exercise and said, hell ima put this on a unit |
| 06:10.26 | Skittles | lol u too |
| 06:10.34 | Keo_ | isnt that the ultimate achievement in sc2mapmaking? to make a progamer level AI? |
| 06:10.50 | Skittles | progamer? or programmer? |
| 06:11.05 | Keo_ | progamer dude |
| 06:11.13 | Skittles | did he even make any ai? |
| 06:11.29 | Xapti | no that's the ultimate achievement of sc2 AI progremming |
| 06:11.35 | Skittles | Also he's not that great... once you know it, you know it. Plenty of people are as good as him. |
| 06:11.51 | Keo_ | so who has the best AI? |
| 06:11.58 | Skittles | I do. |
| 06:12.03 | Keo_ | lol |
| 06:12.04 | Xapti | green tea AI is the best I think? |
| 06:12.04 | Skittles | I'm actually a robot made by Skittle Co. |
| 06:12.34 | Xapti | for only 1 money |
| 06:12.35 | Skittles | Do you need help with your ai keo? |
| 06:12.41 | Keo_ | can a stalker kite an immortal? |
| 06:12.45 | Keo_ | yes please |
| 06:12.46 | Xapti | yes |
| 06:13.01 | Skittles | you would need a projectile system |
| 06:13.05 | Xapti | well I'm not sure if it won't take damage |
| 06:13.22 | Xapti | because there's only 1 range gap, and stalkers attack has a small pause |
| 06:13.25 | Keo_ | probably not possible to kite |
| 06:13.43 | Skittles | glad i could help lol |
| 06:14.03 | Keo_ | I need help |
| 06:14.09 | Skittles | k |
| 06:14.20 | Skittles | ask away |
| 06:14.37 | Keo_ | I use custom script right? |
| 06:14.47 | Skittles | what for? |
| 06:14.56 | Keo_ | the AI |
| 06:15.07 | Skittles | You can use gui. |
| 06:15.17 | Keo_ | how can I see the triggers in code? |
| 06:15.24 | Skittles | Galaxy? |
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| 06:15.26 | *** part/#sc2mapster LordAbyss (~Christoph@ip72-201-114-36.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 06:15.27 | Keo_ | ya |
| 06:15.29 | Skittles | Convert it. |
| 06:15.47 | Skittles | I think you right click on the trigger or maybe it's under file or edit |
| 06:16.32 | Keo_ | I don't see it |
| 06:17.21 | Skittles | idk haven't done it b4 with sc2, only wc3. |
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| 06:25.00 | Rodrigo | now THAT is a good answer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTrBY3jgroo |
| 06:25.09 | Rodrigo | I just loved it |
| 06:25.23 | Skittles | what did he say? |
| 06:25.31 | Skittles | My browser wont play sound atm Xd |
| 06:25.50 | progammer | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/1568008036 |
| 06:25.52 | Rodrigo | Ozzy said "Who the fuck is Justin Bieber" |
| 06:26.04 | Rodrigo | and the reporter said "I like that answer. Good. Keep it" |
| 06:26.05 | Skittles | lol |
| 06:26.19 | Skittles | I can imagine ozzy's voice |
| 06:26.34 | Skittles | ew |
| 06:26.37 | Skittles | 2 weeks away |
| 06:27.19 | Demalii | anyone good with text editing? like changing the font size and whatnot |
| 06:27.40 | Demalii | I've only seemed to be able to edit text, and copy and paste that over into... but it doesn't copy the font size i set |
| 06:27.46 | Skittles | idk, it has been awhile since I've done dialog stuff |
| 06:29.10 | Skittles | hmm |
| 06:30.10 | Rodrigo | you have to do style in the text editing to be able to change size |
| 06:30.26 | JManV | man i love me some sweet n' salty mix |
| 06:30.33 | JManV | but the bottom is nothing but sunflower seeds |
| 06:30.35 | Rodrigo | <s val="ModCenterSize64Bold"> This is size 64 bold. </s> |
| 06:30.46 | Rodrigo | you can change the number by 4 in 4 |
| 06:30.50 | JManV | ooo... 1 raisin |
| 06:31.01 | Rodrigo | <s val="ModCenterSize64Bold"> <s val="ModCenterSize60Bold"> <s val="ModCenterSize56Bold"> |
| 06:31.11 | Demalii | ok thanks.. rod |
| 06:31.12 | Rodrigo | you can take off the bold too |
| 06:31.14 | Demalii | when i edit the text |
| 06:31.20 | Rodrigo | put it before the color |
| 06:31.22 | Demalii | how do i save that shit, into the text pad? |
| 06:31.37 | Rodrigo | in the banks? |
| 06:31.40 | Rodrigo | save as text |
| 06:31.45 | Rodrigo | and load as text |
| 06:32.08 | Demalii | ok like my dialog label |
| 06:32.12 | Demalii | i click the "text" in the trigger |
| 06:32.19 | Demalii | it opens the text pad, i then click edit |
| 06:32.25 | Demalii | and i edit my shit, font size and all |
| 06:32.38 | Demalii | then i save as text, and how do i load it? |
| 06:32.58 | Rodrigo | you load as text. Set variable |
| 06:33.09 | Demalii | ohh |
| 06:33.16 | Rodrigo | set variable --> text = --> bank |
| 06:33.23 | Rodrigo | load from bank as text |
| 06:33.24 | Demalii | ok got it |
| 06:33.25 | Demalii | thanks |
| 06:33.29 | Rodrigo | ;) |
| 06:35.01 | Demalii | wow apparently I find that too confusing in triggers |
| 06:35.13 | Demalii | i'll just copy and paste and use that code you pasted |
| 06:35.21 | Xapti | how is it that siege tank range indicators are invisible to other players, but if I make that actor appear on my unit (via events, just like how it works with siege tank) it will be visible to other players? |
| 06:36.16 | JManV | there's a setting you missed? |
| 06:36.58 | Xapti | what setting would it be thuogh |
| 06:38.07 | Xapti | I mean what more happens... the actor is called viait's actor event, and i'm using the same actor |
| 06:38.18 | Xapti | just added another event |
| 06:39.37 | Xapti | or maybe actor events with (local) on them make it so that that actor is only visible to the local player? |
| 06:39.51 | Xapti | *actor messages |
| 06:40.11 | Xapti | seems most likeyl |
| 06:40.56 | Xapti | oh yeah. That's what Local is, now I know |
| 06:41.13 | Xapti | damn... not too many local messages though >:| |
| 06:42.25 | Xapti | can computer players select units? |
| 06:44.14 | Xapti | only message that can trigger local is selection........... |
| 06:44.51 | Shawn|Rawr | I'm back! |
| 06:45.14 | Shawn|Rawr | Actually, I was here the whole time, but I just finished doing my Team LoaT worjk |
| 06:47.58 | Agouti | *cricket* *cricket* |
| 06:51.33 | Vesuvius | crickets? |
| 06:57.57 | Demalii | is a 5mb map size too large? |
| 06:58.15 | Demalii | like are file sizes an issue anymore is what i should be asking |
| 07:00.21 | Agouti | as in, when you have total silence, all you can hear are the crickets |
| 07:00.33 | Agouti | vesuvius :) |
| 07:00.45 | Agouti | 5mb? |
| 07:00.46 | Agouti | no |
| 07:00.50 | Agouti | 10.5 per file |
| 07:00.54 | Agouti | 52.4 for all your files |
| 07:01.02 | Agouti | no more than 10 files in total for your account |
| 07:01.18 | Agouti | 5 is a pretty reasonable size |
| 07:01.32 | Agouti | make sure to enable optimizing save for size |
| 07:01.37 | Agouti | before publishing |
| 07:01.44 | Agouti | makes a decent difference |
| 07:01.50 | Demalii | ok thanks |
| 07:02.02 | Demalii | this enable optimizing save, where's that? |
| 07:02.18 | Agouti | file preferences |
| 07:02.19 | Agouti | um |
| 07:02.21 | Agouti | then somewhere |
| 07:02.23 | Agouti | save I think |
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| 07:02.46 | Demalii | op save for faster or smaller.. |
| 07:02.48 | Demalii | op for smaller? |
| 07:03.03 | Agouti | ya |
| 07:03.10 | Agouti | takes about 1.5 - 2x longer to save |
| 07:03.12 | Agouti | though |
| 07:03.14 | Agouti | just be aware |
| 07:03.17 | Demalii | ohh, no biggy |
| 07:03.52 | Demalii | takes nearly a second now to save |
| 07:04.05 | Demalii | like .75 =p |
| 07:05.40 | Shawn|Rawr | ROAR |
| 07:06.22 | nolliepoper | whats good anyone know what the tools update was about? |
| 07:06.40 | nolliepoper | Tools Update (2.1.2.2105) |
| 07:07.20 | Shawn|Rawr | Nothing for us afaik |
| 07:07.30 | Shawn|Rawr | Probably prepping for 1.2.0 |
| 07:08.03 | nolliepoper | nothing for who? |
| 07:08.24 | Shawn|Rawr | players/mappers |
| 07:08.58 | Tordy | what happeend |
| 07:09.40 | nolliepoper | hi toody |
| 07:09.41 | Xapti | I could play SC2 fine without having to do that update |
| 07:09.48 | nolliepoper | it is on the ptr |
| 07:11.35 | nolliepoper | I have a map with 18 custom abilities and a bunch of other stuff I am working on but I am at a stand still untill I learn to create some missile spells, anyone want to help? |
| 07:12.05 | Xapti | how |
| 07:12.19 | Shawn|Rawr | HELPING?!?!? |
| 07:12.24 | Tordy | oh NO |
| 07:12.25 | Shawn|Rawr | That's what we're here for |
| 07:12.47 | nolliepoper | how to make a some spells that shoot from unit to enemy? |
| 07:13.06 | Shawn|Rawr | Duplicate the HybridD attack |
| 07:13.10 | Shawn|Rawr | Change it fromthere |
| 07:13.20 | nolliepoper | I can't |
| 07:13.29 | Shawn|Rawr | Eh? |
| 07:13.36 | nolliepoper | The hydra attack is not even a ability style spell |
| 07:13.45 | Shawn|Rawr | I said HYBRID |
| 07:14.12 | nolliepoper | plus I always have better luck creating my stuff from scratch so I can understand what the hell is going on. |
| 07:14.45 | Shawn|Rawr | You could try onetwo's tutorials |
| 07:14.55 | nolliepoper | he has one for missiles? |
| 07:15.09 | nolliepoper | I never saw any about missle spells |
| 07:15.24 | Shawn|Rawr | He makes a spell called Spirit Bolt |
| 07:15.28 | Shawn|Rawr | and Frost Bolt |
| 07:15.46 | Shawn|Rawr | http://www.youtube.com/onetwosc#p/c/AE2AD4DC5E8FF7AE/2/NgIxWBKQe70 = spirit bolt |
| 07:18.01 | Shawn|Rawr | ~seen onetwo |
| 07:18.06 | purl | onetwo <ae070b69@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.7.11.105> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 21h 14m 56s ago, saying: 'what'. |
| 07:18.18 | Demalii | Is there a way to remove kills: and rank: from the unit ui? |
| 07:18.21 | Vesuvius | purl's a bot? |
| 07:18.47 | Demalii | ~8ball Test |
| 07:18.47 | purl | No. |
| 07:19.05 | Demalii | ~8ball Was today a good day? |
| 07:19.05 | purl | Please ask again. |
| 07:19.07 | Vesuvius | ~8ball why do irc bots always have magic 8balls? |
| 07:19.07 | purl | I'm not sure. |
| 07:19.27 | Shawn|Rawr | ~8ball Are you ignoring Demalii? |
| 07:19.27 | purl | Sure. Yeah, exactly. |
| 07:19.31 | Vesuvius | ~8ball are you pregnant? |
| 07:19.31 | purl | Sure. Yeah, exactly. |
| 07:19.34 | Demalii | ~8ball Is there a way to remove kills: and rank: from the unit ui? |
| 07:19.34 | purl | Negative. |
| 07:19.39 | Vesuvius | the bot's pregnant :O |
| 07:20.09 | Vesuvius | that one might actually be true |
| 07:20.58 | Skittles | I'm pretty sure u can demalii |
| 07:21.16 | Skittles | idk how myself, but i have a friend he has edited everything there is on that ui section |
| 07:21.18 | Demalii | hmm |
| 07:21.28 | Demalii | let me know if you talk to him then |
| 07:21.31 | Skittles | k |
| 07:21.36 | Demalii | thanks |
| 07:21.40 | Skittles | yep |
| 07:23.17 | Skittles | anyway to make units to not be effected by light? |
| 07:23.34 | Vesuvius | light as in lighting? |
| 07:23.42 | Demalii | yea i think so |
| 07:23.48 | Demalii | i dunno if that's possible eh |
| 07:24.14 | Skittles | yeah lighting |
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| 07:33.07 | Vesuvius | ~8ball did popman just join the channel? |
| 07:33.07 | purl | I'm not sure. |
| 07:33.19 | Vesuvius | this bot needs some NLP |
| 07:33.36 | Vesuvius | the variety that hasn't been invented yet actually |
| 07:34.49 | Skittles | NLP? |
| 07:34.58 | Vesuvius | natural language processing :P |
| 07:35.19 | Vesuvius | it's used for translation |
| 07:36.18 | Vesuvius | the fantasy with the NLP people is that eventually they'll be able to get computers to actually understand the words and sentences in some meaningful way |
| 07:36.29 | *** join/#sc2mapster DarkRevenant (~DarkReven@ip72-197-184-165.sd.sd.cox.net) |
| 07:36.33 | Vesuvius | i'm not entirely convinced people do though |
| 07:36.33 | DarkRevenant | ugh |
| 07:36.41 | DarkRevenant | how can blizzard expect premium maps not to suck? |
| 07:36.46 | DarkRevenant | the limitations are staggering |
| 07:36.50 | DarkRevenant | esp. the stack limit |
| 07:36.56 | DarkRevenant | it's absurdly low |
| 07:37.06 | Vesuvius | i think they expect premium maps to be a cash cow |
| 07:37.10 | Vesuvius | not a cache cow |
| 07:37.16 | Vesuvius | sorry, could not resist :P |
| 07:37.19 | DarkRevenant | you're so punny |
| 07:37.36 | Vesuvius | that was actually a typo before it was a joke |
| 07:37.40 | Vesuvius | caught the spelling error |
| 07:37.47 | Vesuvius | then noticed the pun |
| 07:38.14 | DarkRevenant | my map |
| 07:38.19 | DarkRevenant | legitimately reaches that stack limit |
| 07:38.32 | DarkRevenant | if i modified it so instead of most of its globals, it used databases |
| 07:38.37 | DarkRevenant | for one, the map would be much slower |
| 07:38.46 | DarkRevenant | two, it would eventually reach that limit |
| 07:38.49 | DarkRevenant | because it's far from done |
| 07:39.08 | DarkRevenant | so the only real solution |
| 07:39.09 | Vesuvius | globals are on the stack? |
| 07:39.15 | Vesuvius | that's some bizarre memory management |
| 07:39.17 | DarkRevenant | well |
| 07:39.25 | DarkRevenant | perhaps not the stack |
| 07:39.29 | DarkRevenant | but they contribute to that 2mb limit |
| 07:39.36 | DarkRevenant | of code and vars |
| 07:39.38 | Vesuvius | that sucks |
| 07:39.41 | Vesuvius | :/ |
| 07:39.43 | DarkRevenant | my vars |
| 07:39.46 | DarkRevenant | make up about 400KB |
| 07:39.50 | DarkRevenant | the code, about 1.6MB |
| 07:40.00 | DarkRevenant | reducing the vars is a temporary solution at best |
| 07:40.15 | DarkRevenant | it's not entirely the code's size, but also threads and locals that contribute |
| 07:40.20 | DarkRevenant | with 2 players, the limit is not quite reached |
| 07:40.24 | DarkRevenant | 6 players, it's reached quickly |
| 07:40.25 | Vesuvius | do you use recursion or something? |
| 07:40.36 | DarkRevenant | its a new game engine |
| 07:40.37 | DarkRevenant | in sc2 |
| 07:40.39 | DarkRevenant | lol |
| 07:40.45 | DarkRevenant | it's got a physics engine in it so yeah it uses |
| 07:40.51 | DarkRevenant | an awful lot of recursion |
| 07:41.02 | DarkRevenant | but that's optimized to the best of my ability |
| 07:41.08 | Vesuvius | well |
| 07:41.13 | DarkRevenant | and i've got a lot of experience with it |
| 07:41.20 | Vesuvius | if we're talking about a real actual stack |
| 07:41.20 | DarkRevenant | i've made similar systems many times |
| 07:41.34 | DarkRevenant | in wc3, strangely |
| 07:41.38 | DarkRevenant | i could get away with this without trouble |
| 07:41.41 | DarkRevenant | not even lag online |
| 07:41.45 | DarkRevenant | here, it lags the blizz servers to shit |
| 07:41.50 | DarkRevenant | and crashes due to memlimit |
| 07:42.19 | DarkRevenant | and it crashes only after obvious signs of code failure |
| 07:42.22 | DarkRevenant | as in |
| 07:42.24 | Vesuvius | you could probably cut the size a lot by eliminating recursion |
| 07:42.27 | Vesuvius | assuming an actual stack |
| 07:42.30 | DarkRevenant | things suddenly dividing by zero where otherwise impossible |
| 07:42.36 | DarkRevenant | in the middle of the game |
| 07:42.49 | DarkRevenant | eliminating recursion |
| 07:42.53 | DarkRevenant | leaves me with no game left |
| 07:42.54 | Xapti | my map is s ofar liek 300k lol |
| 07:42.57 | DarkRevenant | it's a physics engine |
| 07:43.00 | DarkRevenant | it HAS |
| 07:43.02 | DarkRevenant | to have |
| 07:43.04 | DarkRevenant | recursion |
| 07:43.09 | DarkRevenant | there is absolutely no other way to do it |
| 07:43.23 | DarkRevenant | very few things can be made without recursion, anyway |
| 07:43.39 | Xapti | it isn't blizzard servers that lag |
| 07:43.47 | Xapti | blizzard servers just route infomation |
| 07:43.52 | DarkRevenant | no it most certainly is |
| 07:43.54 | Xapti | they don't do any processing |
| 07:43.55 | DarkRevenant | their ROUTING |
| 07:44.02 | DarkRevenant | is causing |
| 07:44.04 | DarkRevenant | massive lag |
| 07:44.05 | Vesuvius | the routing fucks up the upload |
| 07:44.08 | DarkRevenant | due to their bandwidth limitations |
| 07:44.10 | DarkRevenant | because |
| 07:44.13 | DarkRevenant | when p2p in wc3 |
| 07:44.15 | Vesuvius | because of the amount of info a physics engine has to transfer |
| 07:44.20 | DarkRevenant | i had much worse shit going on than i coded in sc2 |
| 07:44.21 | DarkRevenant | lagless |
| 07:44.24 | DarkRevenant | now it's unversally laggy |
| 07:44.28 | DarkRevenant | for every player |
| 07:44.33 | DarkRevenant | regardless of computer and internet connection |
| 07:44.36 | Vesuvius | anyways, anything you can do with recursion |
| 07:44.39 | Vesuvius | you can do with a stack |
| 07:45.02 | Vesuvius | though that doesn't really help you with mem usage |
| 07:45.03 | DarkRevenant | both still contribute to the limit |
| 07:45.09 | DarkRevenant | so it's a moot point |
| 07:45.23 | DarkRevenant | there are technically better ways to code everything |
| 07:45.24 | Vesuvius | but there are certainly ways to convert recursive solutions to iterative solutions |
| 07:45.38 | DarkRevenant | but there is NO way to code it so that what i want it to do is possible under the limit |
| 07:45.47 | DarkRevenant | well |
| 07:45.55 | DarkRevenant | it's pseudo-recursive-iterative |
| 07:46.19 | DarkRevenant | i'll outline the model |
| 07:46.27 | DarkRevenant | the physics thread runs 32 times per second |
| 07:46.48 | DarkRevenant | each time it loops through each projectile (a bunch of variables with a particular index) |
| 07:46.52 | DarkRevenant | up to the current highest projectile |
| 07:47.00 | DarkRevenant | the max is calculated whenever a projectile is spawned, btw |
| 07:47.11 | DarkRevenant | it loops through |
| 07:47.21 | DarkRevenant | handles terrain collision, movement, and all that |
| 07:47.39 | DarkRevenant | then loops through the other projectiles that have already been moved for hard-body collision checks |
| 07:47.46 | *** join/#sc2mapster progammer (4a3ea6d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.62.166.210) |
| 07:47.47 | DarkRevenant | if the check passes and other filters apply |
| 07:47.53 | DarkRevenant | then it does hte collision response |
| 07:48.17 | DarkRevenant | now i know i could have converted this from an O(n^2) to an O(n*log(n)) |
| 07:48.23 | DarkRevenant | but that's not really the culprit here |
| 07:48.47 | DarkRevenant | also it does filter out the loops by sector |
| 07:48.56 | DarkRevenant | it might loop through the other projectiles |
| 07:49.11 | DarkRevenant | but only in certain conditions does it actually go through the full checks on those projectiles |
| 07:50.41 | Vesuvius | is that the end of the main loop or is there more? |
| 07:52.28 | Demalii | Do I need an array for a player group if I'm not going to specifically call a certain player from that group? |
| 07:52.58 | Demalii | If I just want all playing players to join a pg, so they are grouped for triggers, does this work ? |
| 07:53.26 | Dogmai | where can you see trigger errors |
| 07:53.54 | DarkRevenant | that's |
| 07:53.58 | DarkRevenant | the extent of the main loop |
| 07:54.05 | DarkRevenant | it calls various other functions depending on situation |
| 07:54.09 | DarkRevenant | when a projectile dies it calls a funciton |
| 07:54.12 | DarkRevenant | which may call other functions |
| 07:54.14 | DarkRevenant | so on and so forth |
| 07:54.20 | DarkRevenant | it can get complicated and is order-bound |
| 07:54.43 | DarkRevenant | i suppose something like this technically could be threaded but it's not really possible to d othat safely in galaxy |
| 07:57.03 | Vesuvius | i just don't see how the stack grows to 1.6mb without some serious recursive depth |
| 07:57.14 | Vesuvius | but maybe blizzard's meaning of the stack is just weird |
| 07:57.57 | nolliepoper | are both a unit and mover required just to have a missile spell? |
| 07:58.58 | Vesuvius | they are storing your global vars on there |
| 07:59.05 | Vesuvius | and that isn't how stacks normally work as I recall |
| 07:59.14 | Vesuvius | I distinctly remember globals getting their own section of memory |
| 08:01.08 | DarkRevenant | well |
| 08:01.11 | DarkRevenant | whatever is going on |
| 08:01.18 | DarkRevenant | any fix would merely be temporary |
| 08:01.21 | DarkRevenant | based on past trends |
| 08:02.36 | DarkRevenant | so i |
| 08:02.39 | DarkRevenant | have two options |
| 08:02.58 | DarkRevenant | 1. discontinue map and do something less complicated and obviously less awesome than what iwas working on |
| 08:03.08 | DarkRevenant | even with crashes and shit it's still way better than anything on the popularity list |
| 08:03.23 | DarkRevenant | 2. discontinue map and just make an indie game, give up modding and do real shit |
| 08:03.29 | DarkRevenant | i'm real tempted to do #2 |
| 08:03.41 | Vesuvius | i'd go with 2 |
| 08:03.44 | DarkRevenant | just need to find people at my college who want to do that too |
| 08:03.53 | DarkRevenant | since solo indie'ing is pretty damn risky |
| 08:04.25 | DarkRevenant | and third option which is a longshot |
| 08:04.30 | DarkRevenant | 3. persuade blizzard to fix their limit |
| 08:04.33 | Vesuvius | lol |
| 08:04.38 | Vesuvius | sooo not going to happen |
| 08:04.42 | DarkRevenant | yeah |
| 08:04.43 | nolliepoper | INDIE? |
| 08:04.56 | DarkRevenant | independent development |
| 08:05.21 | DarkRevenant | i'm not even sure what the formal definition of that is |
| 08:05.30 | DarkRevenant | how do you define a mainsteam developer |
| 08:05.37 | DarkRevenant | if !(indie) == mainstream |
| 08:05.52 | nolliepoper | would you need friends to indie? |
| 08:05.59 | DarkRevenant | i would either need |
| 08:06.10 | DarkRevenant | competent people at my college |
| 08:06.10 | Vesuvius | i think indie is just for small teams |
| 08:06.22 | DarkRevenant | or competent people over the internet |
| 08:06.27 | Vesuvius | anything at a major developer is assumed to have a large team |
| 08:06.35 | DarkRevenant | small vs large |
| 08:06.40 | DarkRevenant | how would you define that break? |
| 08:06.43 | nolliepoper | I am uploading a recording of what I am working on with my map do you want to check it out when it gts processed? |
| 08:07.01 | DarkRevenant | hmm |
| 08:07.01 | Vesuvius | i'd insert a medium category that totally breaks the indie vs mainstream characterization |
| 08:07.02 | Vesuvius | :P\ |
| 08:07.12 | DarkRevenant | for some reason whenever i try to encode my fraps vid of my map |
| 08:07.15 | DarkRevenant | in mediacoder |
| 08:07.16 | nolliepoper | Dark why don't you just modify your map to have the game ui and convert some of what you have to data |
| 08:07.17 | DarkRevenant | it just fucks up |
| 08:07.18 | Shawn|Rawr | I think it's more of doing it yourself with no funding vs being owned by a larger company and getting funding from them, |
| 08:07.27 | DarkRevenant | nollie |
| 08:07.30 | Vesuvius | can't do physics in data nollie |
| 08:07.31 | Vesuvius | :P |
| 08:07.34 | DarkRevenant | it's not even possible to convert that shit to data |
| 08:07.42 | DarkRevenant | none of it |
| 08:07.46 | DarkRevenant | i'm not even kidding about that |
| 08:07.51 | DarkRevenant | it might technically be possible on some level |
| 08:07.54 | nolliepoper | what part of you map is physics, when I played it I never noticed much |
| 08:07.58 | DarkRevenant | but a solution would be so convoluted |
| 08:08.06 | DarkRevenant | a good physics engine |
| 08:08.09 | DarkRevenant | is not so blantant as to be |
| 08:08.12 | DarkRevenant | WOW PHYSICS WAT |
| 08:08.23 | nolliepoper | which part |
| 08:08.27 | DarkRevenant | but trust me, literally EVERYTHING in that map is run by the physics engine |
| 08:08.35 | nolliepoper | I noticed the spells bouncing off walls pretty much it. |
| 08:08.46 | nolliepoper | or maybe our units |
| 08:08.57 | DarkRevenant | phsyics is more than just |
| 08:08.58 | DarkRevenant | bouncing |
| 08:09.36 | Shawn|Rawr | Is there no way to get a preview of the terrain that I'm pasting? |
| 08:09.42 | nolliepoper | I need some help on those missile style spells kinda like your water drop one. |
| 08:10.00 | DarkRevenant | water drop |
| 08:10.06 | DarkRevenant | i dont even know what you're talking about there |
| 08:10.06 | nolliepoper | do you do your spells in trigger? |
| 08:10.12 | nolliepoper | the water spell |
| 08:10.15 | DarkRevenant | entirely in code yes |
| 08:10.17 | DarkRevenant | but water? |
| 08:10.22 | nolliepoper | idk the blue spell |
| 08:10.24 | nolliepoper | droplet |
| 08:10.25 | DarkRevenant | i dont think there are even any water models |
| 08:10.30 | DarkRevenant | that's a giant psi blast |
| 08:10.34 | nolliepoper | aight |
| 08:10.35 | DarkRevenant | what graphics setting are you on? |
| 08:10.40 | nolliepoper | low |
| 08:10.42 | DarkRevenant | that looks nothign like water on medium or up |
| 08:10.54 | DarkRevenant | on low it might resemble water a little bit |
| 08:10.56 | Vesuvius | revenant |
| 08:11.01 | DarkRevenant | but the explosion is clearly psi |
| 08:11.02 | Vesuvius | fluid simulation is a major feature |
| 08:11.10 | Vesuvius | don't downplay it ;) |
| 08:11.13 | DarkRevenant | lol fluid simulation |
| 08:11.17 | DarkRevenant | is not in my map |
| 08:11.20 | DarkRevenant | and cannot be in any map |
| 08:11.21 | Vesuvius | shh |
| 08:11.23 | Vesuvius | ssssshhhh |
| 08:11.30 | DarkRevenant | because it would be ridiculously expensive |
| 08:11.33 | nolliepoper | Rev check out what I am working on. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlV6RHBNp_s |
| 08:11.34 | Vesuvius | sssssssshhhhhhhhhhh |
| 08:12.13 | DarkRevenant | nollie |
| 08:12.18 | DarkRevenant | that is a really |
| 08:12.22 | DarkRevenant | cumbersome |
| 08:12.24 | DarkRevenant | control method |
| 08:12.37 | DarkRevenant | i manage to get away with something like that |
| 08:12.44 | Vesuvius | what are they teaching you at your college? you're supposed to pretend everything is a features |
| 08:12.44 | DarkRevenant | but i have an ENTIRE UI built around it |
| 08:12.56 | DarkRevenant | nothing in my map |
| 08:13.02 | DarkRevenant | even resembles fluid simulation |
| 08:13.09 | Vesuvius | that's ok |
| 08:13.09 | nolliepoper | what? |
| 08:13.11 | DarkRevenant | i suppose its possible if you spawn enough spheres but |
| 08:13.16 | Vesuvius | ew no |
| 08:13.32 | DarkRevenant | that would be more like |
| 08:13.34 | DarkRevenant | sand physics |
| 08:13.56 | Shawn|Rawr | Use the sand physics and make a volleyball map |
| 08:14.03 | Vesuvius | rofl |
| 08:14.09 | Vesuvius | that would be like |
| 08:14.10 | nolliepoper | how is that cumbersome at all? |
| 08:14.14 | Vesuvius | the biggest waste of processing power |
| 08:14.16 | Vesuvius | ever conceived |
| 08:14.18 | DarkRevenant | how many times |
| 08:14.21 | DarkRevenant | do you have to click |
| 08:14.25 | DarkRevenant | to actually hurt someone |
| 08:14.27 | DarkRevenant | plus wait, et al |
| 08:14.34 | nolliepoper | not once |
| 08:14.41 | DarkRevenant | or push abutton |
| 08:14.43 | DarkRevenant | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:14.52 | DarkRevenant | for example |
| 08:14.54 | nolliepoper | its all hotkeyed |
| 08:14.56 | DarkRevenant | to cast a spell in my map |
| 08:15.03 | DarkRevenant | first of all, to pick the spell you want |
| 08:15.12 | DarkRevenant | you either push its hotkey you assign |
| 08:15.18 | nolliepoper | we have different maps yo |
| 08:15.19 | DarkRevenant | or rotate to it via the spell wheel |
| 08:15.23 | DarkRevenant | yours... |
| 08:15.24 | DarkRevenant | i mean |
| 08:15.26 | DarkRevenant | all in the command card |
| 08:15.43 | DarkRevenant | is not the best way to do that by any stretch of the imagination |
| 08:15.59 | DarkRevenant | if it can be done all via hotkey |
| 08:15.59 | nolliepoper | because you can't use hotkeys without a game ui until 1.2 |
| 08:16.09 | DarkRevenant | make the interface play up that capability |
| 08:16.50 | nolliepoper | te interface can be changed later but I trying to show my mechanics first. |
| 08:17.03 | DarkRevenant | when you do the mechanics |
| 08:17.07 | DarkRevenant | a helpful tip |
| 08:17.19 | DarkRevenant | is to make the best example of your mechanics in action |
| 08:17.21 | DarkRevenant | first |
| 08:17.27 | DarkRevenant | something that |
| 08:17.30 | DarkRevenant | you'll want to keep |
| 08:17.59 | DarkRevenant | crap i g2g |
| 08:18.02 | DarkRevenant | ttyl |
| 08:18.07 | nolliepoper | thanks for nothing |
| 08:18.13 | Agouti | wow nollie |
| 08:18.17 | nolliepoper | close minded loooool |
| 08:18.18 | Agouti | so not ever helping you |
| 08:18.26 | Agouti | @___@ |
| 08:18.34 | nolliepoper | I didn't ask for help. |
| 08:18.47 | nolliepoper | I said check this out and he got angry because it wasn't his map. |
| 08:18.58 | Agouti | k |
| 08:19.36 | nolliepoper | not my fault |
| 08:19.38 | nolliepoper | out of my hands |
| 08:19.57 | Agouti | k |
| 08:20.22 | Skittles | 0.0 |
| 08:20.23 | nolliepoper | flame on flamers |
| 08:20.32 | Agouti | k? |
| 08:20.49 | Vesuvius | he is a bit pompous |
| 08:20.53 | Agouti | why u mad? |
| 08:20.56 | Agouti | just a bit |
| 08:21.09 | Agouti | I repeat my previous statement -.- |
| 08:21.23 | Skittles | dark sure can talk to himself |
| 08:21.24 | nolliepoper | I think your confused with you being mad. |
| 08:21.26 | nolliepoper | <Agouti> wow nollie |
| 08:21.30 | nolliepoper | <Agouti> so not ever helping you |
| 08:21.40 | nolliepoper | lolol u mad bruh? |
| 08:21.41 | Agouti | they were all here |
| 08:21.48 | Agouti | -.- |
| 08:21.59 | Agouti | oook shhh now little man |
| 08:22.01 | Agouti | shhhh |
| 08:22.28 | Vesuvius | i don't see what's wrong with having buttons in the command card either tbh |
| 08:22.35 | nolliepoper | thank you |
| 08:22.40 | Vesuvius | if you have gridkeys on you get really intuitive hotkeys for free |
| 08:22.52 | Vesuvius | and you can actually enforce gridkeys by editing buttons |
| 08:22.55 | nolliepoper | and when 1.2 comes out well see what we can do I'm not worried I just set it up like that for now. |
| 08:23.00 | Vesuvius | though some people prefer standard for some reason |
| 08:23.20 | Agouti | I prefer standard because I never look at the command card |
| 08:23.28 | Agouti | I don't know where the buttons are |
| 08:23.44 | Vesuvius | yeah but you still have to learn the hotkeys |
| 08:23.45 | Agouti | but I have a link in my brain, prob[e] |
| 08:24.00 | Agouti | to me q is in no way linked to the word probe |
| 08:24.08 | Agouti | whereas e is easy to remember |
| 08:24.13 | Vesuvius | my favorite part about gridkeys |
| 08:24.16 | Vesuvius | is when you play zerg |
| 08:24.17 | Agouti | besides I have changed most of my keys around anyway |
| 08:24.20 | Agouti | o god |
| 08:24.21 | Vesuvius | the most common key combination |
| 08:24.21 | nolliepoper | I have to learn how to do some missile spells in data for the rest |
| 08:24.23 | Vesuvius | is qq |
| 08:24.25 | Agouti | that was the reason I turned it off |
| 08:24.26 | Vesuvius | :P |
| 08:24.30 | Agouti | I hated it |
| 08:24.34 | Agouti | spamming for larvae |
| 08:24.34 | Vesuvius | it's awesome |
| 08:24.35 | Vesuvius | qq |
| 08:24.36 | Agouti | SHIT DRONES |
| 08:24.38 | Agouti | I wanted |
| 08:24.41 | Agouti | ahh dangit |
| 08:24.43 | Vesuvius | oh |
| 08:24.44 | Vesuvius | umm |
| 08:24.48 | Vesuvius | you know if you hold the key down |
| 08:24.55 | Vesuvius | the repeat rate will spawn a bunch for you |
| 08:25.00 | Vesuvius | you don't have to spam the key |
| 08:25.02 | Agouti | yeah |
| 08:25.05 | Agouti | what I meant was |
| 08:25.09 | Agouti | while cycling |
| 08:25.14 | Agouti | waiting for larvae |
| 08:25.21 | Skittles | 0.0 |
| 08:25.21 | Agouti | I'm used to hitting the key to see if I have any |
| 08:25.25 | Vesuvius | oh i always hotkey all my hatcheries together |
| 08:25.35 | Agouti | I don't put them all together |
| 08:25.43 | Agouti | I have them seperated into expos and mains |
| 08:25.48 | progammer | GSL Finals starting in 30 min http://www.gomtv.net/2010gslopens3/live/ |
| 08:26.01 | Vesuvius | i can see the point of hotkeying a hidden expo differently |
| 08:26.01 | Agouti | like once your main and nat are saturated you don't want more drones there |
| 08:26.05 | Vesuvius | but the main and the natural |
| 08:26.11 | Vesuvius | that's why I change the rally to the expo |
| 08:26.20 | Skittles | GSL? |
| 08:26.20 | Agouti | usually mid/late drones being made at expos, army at mains |
| 08:26.46 | Vesuvius | I just make it from wherever |
| 08:26.53 | Vesuvius | I'm not that good though :P |
| 08:27.03 | Vesuvius | i would be if I took the time to play |
| 08:27.09 | Agouti | I tried grid, but the location of the command car button was not a good link in my brain to the command I wanted |
| 08:27.18 | Agouti | whereas a letter from the name is |
| 08:27.21 | nolliepoper | you have to login just to watch? |
| 08:27.27 | Skittles | anyway |
| 08:27.33 | Skittles | snowball fight |
| 08:27.35 | Skittles | for holiday =D |
| 08:27.40 | Vesuvius | you've officially made it into my weirdbook |
| 08:27.41 | Vesuvius | :P |
| 08:27.42 | Agouti | bit hard during summer |
| 08:27.43 | nolliepoper | Doesn't snow much in Florida |
| 08:27.46 | Vesuvius | sort of likea yearbook |
| 08:27.51 | Skittles | no |
| 08:27.52 | Vesuvius | but i keep weirds in it instead of years |
| 08:27.53 | Skittles | sc2 game fools |
| 08:28.31 | Agouti | also: there are programs that let you change your keys to whatever the hell you want |
| 08:28.40 | Agouti | which is what I was using before I started playing ID |
| 08:28.52 | Agouti | I had it so I could used WASD for moving the camera around |
| 08:28.59 | Agouti | and all the other keys were around there |
| 08:29.01 | Vesuvius | i love grid |
| 08:29.13 | Agouti | each to their own :) |
| 08:29.15 | Vesuvius | i've loved gridkeys since I first encountered them |
| 08:29.19 | Vesuvius | they make so much more sense to me |
| 08:29.32 | Agouti | well hey if they work for you don't let anyone tell you otherwise |
| 08:29.35 | Agouti | thats all that matters |
| 08:29.40 | Vesuvius | yep :P |
| 08:29.50 | Skittles | lalalala |
| 08:29.57 | Skittles | anybody up for |
| 08:30.00 | Skittles | snowball fight! |
| 08:30.04 | Agouti | why i was careful not to say one or the other was better, just I found my modified normal easier :P |
| 08:30.06 | Vesuvius | rise of legends had the sexiest ui i've ever used actually |
| 08:30.06 | Agouti | NO |
| 08:30.07 | progammer | Skittles: the thingy where you play and win 85 grand every month |
| 08:30.10 | Vesuvius | it was so immersive |
| 08:30.11 | progammer | is called gsl |
| 08:30.15 | Skittles | oh |
| 08:30.33 | nolliepoper | progammer you really have to have an account to watch? |
| 08:30.35 | Agouti | I want to know where they keep coming up with the cash for that tourney |
| 08:30.36 | Xapti | I'm not that interested in this GSL final cause there's no zerg in it :( |
| 08:30.42 | Agouti | aw :( |
| 08:30.47 | Vesuvius | what's the final mathc up? |
| 08:30.49 | Vesuvius | terran mirror? |
| 08:30.50 | Agouti | hey xapti |
| 08:30.54 | progammer | nolliepoper: seems so, but its free |
| 08:30.55 | Xapti | hi bingo |
| 08:30.56 | Agouti | want to do some 1v1 prac? |
| 08:31.01 | progammer | to watch the standard stream |
| 08:31.03 | Agouti | i haven't played in months |
| 08:31.11 | Agouti | I need some vZ prac |
| 08:31.13 | Xapti | afgter 1.2 |
| 08:31.16 | Vesuvius | lol |
| 08:31.17 | Agouti | especially |
| 08:31.23 | Vesuvius | in my experience |
| 08:31.24 | Xapti | for now I'm not playing melee until 1.2 |
| 08:31.29 | Vesuvius | if I'm waiting for a patch to play the game |
| 08:31.29 | Agouti | orly? |
| 08:31.32 | Vesuvius | I'm done with the game |
| 08:31.33 | Agouti | why's that |
| 08:31.38 | Xapti | no reason really |
| 08:31.50 | Vesuvius | so cya around xapti :P |
| 08:31.53 | Xapti | i shouldn't really be playing is my main reason |
| 08:32.03 | Agouti | fair enough |
| 08:32.10 | Vesuvius | lol nvm then |
| 08:32.27 | Vesuvius | though actually |
| 08:32.28 | Vesuvius | not nvm |
| 08:32.29 | Agouti | I want to get more done on my map before I head of on holidays anyway |
| 08:32.29 | Vesuvius | because |
| 08:32.31 | Agouti | so |
| 08:32.32 | Vesuvius | I'm going to bed |
| 08:32.32 | Agouti | NUH |
| 08:32.32 | Vesuvius | lol |
| 08:32.42 | Agouti | what is the time in burger land anyway |
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| 08:32.55 | Tordy | wassup dudes |
| 08:33.03 | Skittles | gn ves |
| 08:33.22 | Agouti | tordy: if I told you, you would have to touch it |
| 08:34.56 | Tordy | wht |
| 08:37.33 | progammer | some of the korean ads for sc2 is nice |
| 08:38.07 | nolliepoper | man can't make an account |
| 08:38.15 | nolliepoper | because their email system is busted |
| 08:38.25 | Tordy | what |
| 08:38.29 | Tordy | what email!? |
| 08:38.33 | Tordy | account for what?! |
| 08:38.36 | Tordy | hi nolliepoper |
| 08:38.38 | nolliepoper | you have to make an account just to watch livestream |
| 08:38.55 | nolliepoper | which is retarded and when I tried to make one they never sent email |
| 08:39.13 | nolliepoper | I tripple checked the email adress and the spam folder |
| 08:39.33 | Tordy | oh gsl? |
| 08:40.22 | *** join/#sc2mapster progammer_ (4a3ea6d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.62.166.210) |
| 08:40.30 | progammer_ | try to search for some restream |
| 08:40.42 | progammer_ | teamliquid dont post it though, you need to search elsewhere |
| 08:41.33 | nolliepoper | wondering why their system is glitched |
| 08:41.43 | Cintiq | http://www.ustream.tv/channel/huko1 |
| 08:41.47 | Shawn|Rawr | purl who is progammer |
| 08:41.47 | purl | [progammer] a guy who will kick you in the balls before you know what happened |
| 08:41.57 | progammer_ | what new command for purl ? |
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| 08:42.44 | Tordy | purl who is progammer |
| 08:42.44 | purl | i heard progammer is a guy who will kick you in the balls before you know what happened |
| 08:42.56 | Tordy | purl who is tordy |
| 08:42.56 | purl | you are, like, not torday |
| 08:43.19 | Tordy | purl who is nolliepoper |
| 08:43.19 | purl | Tordy: what are you talking about? |
| 08:43.25 | Tordy | purl who is me |
| 08:43.26 | purl | you are probably not torday |
| 08:43.32 | Tordy | purl who is purl |
| 08:43.32 | purl | Tordy: I think you lost me on that one |
| 08:43.43 | Tordy | purl who is you |
| 08:43.43 | purl | Tordy: I think you lost me on that one |
| 08:43.48 | Tordy | purl who are you |
| 08:43.49 | purl | Tordy: I think you lost me on that one |
| 08:43.59 | Tordy | purl who is progammer |
| 08:44.00 | purl | methinks progammer is a guy who will kick you in the balls before you know what happened |
| 08:44.03 | Demalii | is there a way to make a variable integer, like lives, put them into an array, and have "if array[triggering player] >= 1" ? |
| 08:44.10 | Tordy | yea |
| 08:44.13 | Tordy | no |
| 08:44.17 | Tordy | yea |
| 08:44.20 | Demalii | ? |
| 08:44.27 | nolliepoper | make an array of integers |
| 08:44.30 | Demalii | i did that |
| 08:44.34 | Demalii | and the triggering player |
| 08:44.41 | nolliepoper | is the index |
| 08:44.50 | Demalii | but will triggering player |
| 08:45.02 | Demalii | index that exact player matching the variable for his lives? |
| 08:45.16 | progammer_ | btw if anyone have no idea, toss gonna oGsMC is gonna kick the terran's ass |
| 08:45.28 | Tordy | is that good |
| 08:45.32 | nolliepoper | I don't understand your question |
| 08:45.32 | progammer_ | so its not a really close finals |
| 08:45.52 | progammer_ | watch he beat jinro |
| 08:45.55 | Demalii | so to say, any unit dies//, if array[triggering player] >= 1 // create unit // modify variable array[triggering player] -1 |
| 08:46.21 | Demalii | and that array consists of 10 variables each being a life variable |
| 08:47.13 | Skittles | lol |
| 08:48.30 | nolliepoper | progammer you had to install that gon player also? |
| 08:49.08 | progammer_ | nolliepoper: yep |
| 08:49.17 | nolliepoper | seems like a bit much |
| 08:49.20 | progammer_ | i think because you install it you dont really have to register |
| 08:49.27 | progammer_ | but yeah gsl run all year round |
| 08:49.56 | progammer_ | just support the damn esport |
| 08:50.14 | Skittles | just me or do half of these guys have gay posture? Xd |
| 08:50.49 | progammer_ | progamer are like stars so they are like singer |
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| 08:51.26 | Tordy | sure |
| 08:51.47 | m4ng3 | is there any way to change tint color with upgrades? |
| 08:52.07 | Shawn|Rawr | Sure |
| 08:53.08 | Shawn|Rawr | Go to the unit's actor first |
| 08:54.39 | m4ng3 | and? |
| 08:54.48 | Shawn|Rawr | Go to Events+ |
| 08:55.01 | m4ng3 | so when the upgrade finishes set tint color? |
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| 08:55.23 | Shawn|Rawr | Yes |
| 08:55.28 | m4ng3 | k, thanks |
| 08:55.50 | Shawn|Rawr | Though I don't see a way to do multi-level things |
| 08:55.55 | Shawn|Rawr | Unless you do triggers |
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| 08:56.34 | m4ng3 | if i create multi upgrades it should work... right? |
| 08:57.20 | Skittles | mm |
| 08:58.23 | Shawn|Rawr | With multiple upgrades, the last upgrade you acquired would set the tint color |
| 08:58.33 | Skittles | mmhmm |
| 08:59.07 | Shawn|Rawr | use more of the alphabet skittles |
| 08:59.20 | Skittles | mmmmkkkkkkaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyy |
| 09:01.18 | Skittles | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:01.25 | Skittles | dont think ill do the super hero map |
| 09:01.39 | Skittles | would need to use units for most of the doodads which is no good at all!~ |
| 09:05.06 | m4ng3 | how to disable buttons when upgrade is done? |
| 09:07.59 | m4ng3 | requirement rights? |
| 09:08.18 | Skittles | i would think so |
| 09:08.27 | m4ng3 | kk |
| 09:08.49 | Agouti | oh grrr |
| 09:08.53 | Agouti | agouti@found bug D: |
| 09:09.16 | Agouti | if I have an ability, which applies a buff |
| 09:09.21 | Agouti | and is autocastable |
| 09:09.37 | Agouti | if I put a validator in it |
| 09:09.41 | Agouti | it crashes sc2 |
| 09:13.28 | Agouti | ok |
| 09:13.32 | Agouti | I want a validator |
| 09:13.42 | Agouti | that will remove a buff when the unit deals damage |
| 09:13.46 | Agouti | not just while it's attacking |
| 09:13.56 | Agouti | but actually when it deals damae |
| 09:14.03 | Agouti | there is a WeaponIsFiring |
| 09:14.08 | Agouti | but that crashes sc2 |
| 09:14.18 | Agouti | and I don't think it's what I want anyway |
| 09:14.44 | progammer_ | brotoss owned game 1 as predicted |
| 09:14.55 | Agouti | I hope he looses |
| 09:14.58 | Agouti | what an awful name |
| 09:15.12 | Agouti | progammer_: any ideas re: my problem? |
| 09:15.24 | progammer_ | Agouti: what ? still that spectre ? |
| 09:15.27 | Agouti | nah |
| 09:15.38 | Agouti | I want an autocast ability that applies a buff |
| 09:15.39 | nolliepoper | I love that mc guy |
| 09:15.54 | Agouti | but I want the buff to be removed when the unit deals damage |
| 09:16.10 | Agouti | so I have an autocast val that checks to see if the unit is already buffed |
| 09:16.24 | Agouti | then I want another val to remove the buff when the unit fires/deals damage |
| 09:16.31 | Agouti | however I just keep crashing the game |
| 09:16.34 | Agouti | :( |
| 09:16.41 | progammer_ | nolliepoper: he is the best PvT so he is sure to pwn this final |
| 09:16.57 | progammer_ | Agouti: crashing mean infinite loop most of the time |
| 09:16.58 | nolliepoper | I just like his style |
| 09:17.03 | nolliepoper | he looks so relaxed |
| 09:17.22 | nolliepoper | thanks for showing me this livestream |
| 09:17.25 | progammer_ | progammer_: just try to be patient, i wait for 5 min and it stopped :P |
| 09:17.33 | progammer_ | nolliepoper: |
| 09:19.13 | m4ng3 | is there any other way to upgrade towers than morph? |
| 09:19.49 | progammer_ | kill it and place a new tower |
| 09:20.03 | progammer_ | or behavior/ buff to remove/ add weapon |
| 09:20.55 | Demalii | if i have 2 triggers with waits running at once, they won't bother each other right? |
| 09:21.15 | progammer_ | no each trigger is a seperate thread |
| 09:21.19 | progammer_ | max thread is about 140 |
| 09:21.24 | Skittles | u stole my line |
| 09:21.35 | Demalii | cool |
| 09:21.36 | progammer_ | you can make your custom function create new thread as well |
| 09:21.47 | Demalii | ohh nice |
| 09:22.52 | progammer_ | damn their code s and a system is confusing as hell |
| 09:23.10 | nolliepoper | especially cause I can't speak china |
| 09:23.14 | progammer_ | but yeah cool tournamen coming aheah |
| 09:23.16 | Xapti | what the hell... this event doesn't trigger when I use "center of region" for "unit leaves distance of point" |
| 09:23.17 | progammer_ | nah that's korean |
| 09:23.49 | Xapti | it works with position of unit, and a flat out point I tested with |
| 09:23.56 | Shawn|Rawr | I have no idea what they are saying! This is so cool! |
| 09:24.31 | Skittles | lol |
| 09:24.46 | Shawn|Rawr | Wow what idiots |
| 09:24.53 | Shawn|Rawr | I wish i didnt know what they were saying |
| 09:25.24 | m4ng3 | wont behaviors effect all towers? |
| 09:25.32 | Skittles | lol |
| 09:25.37 | Skittles | why is it all talking? |
| 09:25.44 | Skittles | they think we care? |
| 09:25.51 | progammer_ | m4ng3: no behavior can be per unit, upgrade are per unit type |
| 09:25.59 | progammer_ | or upgrade are global |
| 09:26.14 | Demalii | how do i get my leaderboard to update? |
| 09:26.20 | Shawn|Rawr | Periodic |
| 09:26.29 | Demalii | it just spammed it |
| 09:26.29 | m4ng3 | so there is no other way than morph? :S |
| 09:26.30 | Agouti | ok, any way to have a buff removed when it runs out of charges? |
| 09:26.38 | Demalii | i'll fix that shiz |
| 09:26.46 | Tordy | first week of january |
| 09:26.48 | Tordy | gross |
| 09:26.49 | Tordy | cool |
| 09:26.50 | Tordy | :) |
| 09:26.57 | progammer_ | m4ng3: behavior is possible, but doing actor and change weapon for it is difficult |
| 09:27.25 | m4ng3 | so how would i start to make it unit and not unit type? |
| 09:27.43 | progammer_ | no the behavior would no be on unit by default |
| 09:27.51 | progammer_ | depends on which tower you upgrade to |
| 09:27.56 | Skittles | why is this all talking and no playing? Xd |
| 09:27.56 | progammer_ | the specific behavior is applied |
| 09:28.04 | progammer_ | Skittles: because the need break |
| 09:28.08 | Skittles | XD |
| 09:28.16 | Skittles | lies |
| 09:28.20 | progammer_ | 300 APM need rests |
| 09:28.27 | progammer_ | or technical difficulty :P |
| 09:28.36 | Skittles | more lies |
| 09:28.37 | m4ng3 | yes but that would effect all of the same unit types? |
| 09:28.49 | Shawn|Rawr | I want the Korean casters! |
| 09:28.50 | progammer_ | how do you upgrade ? |
| 09:28.55 | Shawn|Rawr | Show me the pretty asian!! |
| 09:29.12 | progammer_ | Shawn|Rawr: go to gomtv.com |
| 09:29.20 | progammer_ | .net are for foreinger |
| 09:29.26 | Skittles | http://media.photobucket.com/image/pretty%20asian/ravemaster666666/Me/Two_Pretty_Asian_Girls.jpg |
| 09:29.30 | Skittles | pretty asian x2 |
| 09:29.30 | Demalii | shawn, the leaderboard keeps blinking in and out |
| 09:29.46 | Demalii | i do wait 2 seconds, destroy, run trigger.. this won't work like a periodic? |
| 09:29.51 | m4ng3 | so you mean if they press a button a behavior will enable on only this unit and not the unit type? |
| 09:30.00 | progammer_ | uniden fighting |
| 09:30.03 | progammer_ | lol |
| 09:30.19 | Shawn|Rawr | Destroy what? |
| 09:30.46 | Shawn|Rawr | Skittles, that made it so much more tolerable |
| 09:30.49 | Demalii | theleaderboard |
| 09:30.52 | Skittles | I bet |
| 09:30.56 | Skittles | I posed just for u |
| 09:30.56 | progammer_ | lol all they're saying is trying to make the match close |
| 09:31.01 | Skittles | with a mirror |
| 09:31.02 | Skittles | and |
| 09:31.03 | Demalii | i did, create, show, wait 2 seconds, destroy, run leaderboard trigger |
| 09:31.08 | progammer_ | though rain is going to be owned |
| 09:31.11 | Skittles | a dead girl |
| 09:31.14 | Shawn|Rawr | Hahaha |
| 09:31.21 | Shawn|Rawr | Internet Kills Everyhting |
| 09:31.27 | Shawn|Rawr | they need LAN |
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| 09:31.31 | Creation | Hey guys |
| 09:31.32 | Shawn|Rawr | LAN!!!! |
| 09:31.35 | Shawn|Rawr | Hey |
| 09:31.54 | progammer_ | wow i wanwt those toys |
| 09:31.56 | Creation | you know when you create a new dialog it defaults to having that box backround? Is there a wat to make transparent backround? |
| 09:32.06 | Creation | way* |
| 09:32.13 | m4ng3 | the change of weapon damage will effect all of the same unit type... |
| 09:32.14 | Demalii | dialog - hide background |
| 09:32.18 | Creation | thank |
| 09:32.19 | Skittles | lokl |
| 09:32.19 | Creation | s |
| 09:32.21 | Skittles | u see this? |
| 09:32.24 | Creation | simple |
| 09:32.31 | m4ng3 | even if only one has the behavior? |
| 09:33.11 | progammer_ | love that baneling, awesome |
| 09:33.31 | Creation | I see no trigger called hide backround |
| 09:33.37 | Creation | I see a set backround |
| 09:33.46 | Creation | but that doesnt give you a transprency option |
| 09:33.47 | Skittles | lol this just got incredibly stupid |
| 09:33.56 | Shawn|Rawr | Try SHow/Hide |
| 09:33.57 | Skittles | dialog show background |
| 09:33.58 | Shawn|Rawr | Background |
| 09:34.02 | Skittles | change show to hide |
| 09:34.03 | Creation | o |
| 09:34.09 | Creation | thanks |
| 09:34.14 | Skittles | yep |
| 09:34.27 | Demalii | wait really this can' |
| 09:34.34 | Skittles | this website made so much money off of me so far |
| 09:34.35 | Demalii | can't be the right way to update a leaderboard |
| 09:34.42 | Skittles | i keep putting my mouse over that stupid ad |
| 09:34.45 | Skittles | and it pops up |
| 09:35.34 | Creation | ffs.. |
| 09:35.36 | Creation | I dont see it |
| 09:35.58 | Creation | all i see it set dialog backround, and ive tried typing show/'hide show and hide backround into the trigger search |
| 09:36.31 | progammer_ | OMG they showed the song |
| 09:36.34 | Creation | nevermind |
| 09:36.36 | Creation | I got it |
| 09:36.43 | Creation | annoying stupid search engine |
| 09:37.05 | Demalii | If I make the leaderboard a period it either spams the board, or i have to destroy it at the end of the trigger, which creates a new board.. |
| 09:37.14 | Demalii | any other ideas on that? |
| 09:37.18 | Skittles | lol south kora |
| 09:37.19 | Skittles | korea |
| 09:37.24 | Skittles | who the fuck wants to be there atm |
| 09:37.26 | Demalii | it's the variable integer i need updated |
| 09:37.37 | progammer_ | north is where you dont want |
| 09:37.53 | progammer_ | though south can be dangerous if the bomb is big enough |
| 09:38.25 | Shawn|Rawr | progammer, you bunker rushed my heart |
| 09:39.02 | progammer_ | that's the best line of the song |
| 09:39.07 | progammer_ | so mesmerizing |
| 09:40.47 | JManV | hmmm... i turned the sentry distruption beam into an item, but it's not showing the actual beam |
| 09:42.47 | progammer_ | bnet fail |
| 09:43.00 | Skittles | so uturned the sentry distruption into a item rather |
| 09:43.22 | JManV | so the hero has to equip it |
| 09:43.26 | JManV | i duplicated the weapon |
| 09:43.33 | Shawn|Rawr | Aww.. he said sexy and then i switched over.. i thought he was talking about the asina |
| 09:43.34 | JManV | so the normal upgrade doesn't apply to it |
| 09:43.49 | JManV | i duplicated all the actors with it |
| 09:44.00 | JManV | they look exactly like the normal disruption beam |
| 09:44.08 | JManV | except they say disurptionbeam2 |
| 09:44.12 | JManV | in the events |
| 09:44.25 | JManV | it has sound |
| 09:44.27 | JManV | but no beam |
| 09:44.50 | JManV | its kinda nice to know you're actually shooting something |
| 09:44.54 | JManV | call me picky... |
| 09:45.09 | Shawn|Rawr | Send me the map and I'll fix it in 5 minutes |
| 09:45.22 | Shawn|Rawr | otherwise i'm staring at this GSL match |
| 09:45.43 | Shawn|Rawr | cheetah!! hahaha |
| 09:45.53 | JManV | i can't send the map... it's way too deep into development |
| 09:46.10 | Shawn|Rawr | Be picky lol.. Umm.. |
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| 09:46.18 | Shawn|Rawr | Look at the attack actor for the Beam field |
| 09:46.25 | Slaydon | Hello, any data editors out here? |
| 09:46.31 | Shawn|Rawr | Just one |
| 09:46.59 | Slaydon | I want to make that if a unit has this behavior, (which there will be alot of behaviors) i want to do an Event for that unit. |
| 09:47.14 | Shawn|Rawr | Try going to Events+ in the Actor |
| 09:47.36 | Shawn|Rawr | Go the the bottom, right click, add event |
| 09:47.41 | Slaydon | But, I need like, 80 behaviors |
| 09:47.50 | Slaydon | its easy with like, 5 of them. |
| 09:47.59 | Slaydon | Aint there another way? D: |
| 09:48.18 | Shawn|Rawr | Probably triggers |
| 09:48.29 | Slaydon | They cant really edit events.:? |
| 09:49.03 | Slaydon | Im using the Texture Select By Id action in the events of the actor. |
| 09:49.11 | Slaydon | And i check if it is on, then it changes |
| 09:49.30 | Slaydon | and if it is off, i need to check them all again and set it to theyre default texture. |
| 09:50.27 | Shawn|Rawr | I never used it before |
| 09:50.38 | Slaydon | 3: |
| 09:50.56 | Slaydon | modcraft is today, rite? |
| 09:51.09 | Shawn|Rawr | Dont know. Watching GSL |
| 09:51.20 | progammer_ | holy shit dt |
| 09:51.21 | m4ng3 | is there any way to set a weapon thru behaviors? |
| 09:51.28 | m4ng3 | not just enable or disable. |
| 09:51.50 | Slaydon | You can do a trigger, checking if he gets the behavior |
| 09:51.50 | m4ng3 | or can you change the weapons attack speed? |
| 09:51.52 | Slaydon | and add a weapon. |
| 09:51.57 | Slaydon | I think you can. |
| 09:51.58 | m4ng3 | no triggers |
| 09:52.16 | Shawn|Rawr | mange, go to the behavior modification |
| 09:52.18 | Shawn|Rawr | Go to weapon |
| 09:52.21 | Slaydon | Yes you can edit weapon speed |
| 09:52.23 | Slaydon | :3 |
| 09:52.23 | Shawn|Rawr | and add the weapon you want or whateve |
| 09:52.40 | m4ng3 | i did add it... it just enables it, it doest give it to the unit :S |
| 09:52.52 | m4ng3 | all that happend was that the old weapon was disabled |
| 09:53.05 | m4ng3 | attack speed multiplier? |
| 09:53.16 | Shawn|Rawr | That will make it shoot faster |
| 09:53.45 | m4ng3 | its on 1 now... how to change it to 1.10 if its 10.0 now? |
| 09:54.19 | Shawn|Rawr | You want the weapon speed to go from 10 to 1.1? |
| 09:54.28 | m4ng3 | 1.0 to 1.1 |
| 09:55.01 | m4ng3 | and 1.10 to 0.9 |
| 09:56.27 | Shawn|Rawr | 1 * (1.1) = 1.1 |
| 09:56.54 | Shawn|Rawr | 1.1 * (.82) = .9 |
| 09:57.24 | m4ng3 | danke |
| 09:58.23 | m4ng3 | is there any way to change tint color when behavior is active? |
| 09:59.25 | Shawn|Rawr | Yes, go to the Actor's Events+ |
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| 09:59.40 | Slaydon | But, actor events are cluster as hell D: |
| 09:59.43 | Slaydon | imo |
| 09:59.49 | Shawn|Rawr | They are fun for me |
| 09:59.52 | Shawn|Rawr | Allowed me to do a lot |
| 09:59.59 | m4ng3 | i cant find a good event :/ |
| 10:00.17 | m4ng3 | sry |
| 10:00.19 | m4ng3 | saw it now |
| 10:00.20 | Shawn|Rawr | Behavior.YourBehavior.On -> SetTintColor |
| 10:00.42 | Shawn|Rawr | Then you have to do another for Off if you want to clear the tint |
| 10:00.56 | m4ng3 | yeah i know |
| 10:01.48 | Shawn|Rawr | ok, just focused on something else |
| 10:02.33 | m4ng3 | is there a way to change the green info(ie damage) to normal? so instead of 1+(10) it shows 11? |
| 10:03.19 | Shawn|Rawr | progammer, this is crazy |
| 10:03.41 | Slaydon | Shawn|Rawr, is there a way to remove the cluster from actor events, by having several actors connected to that unit? |
| 10:04.08 | Shawn|Rawr | NO!!!! |
| 10:04.10 | Slaydon | progammer, talk to me boss. |
| 10:04.11 | Shawn|Rawr | MY SHOWW!! |
| 10:04.13 | Slaydon | D: |
| 10:05.06 | JManV | so hmmm |
| 10:05.14 | JManV | still no disruption beam |
| 10:05.46 | Slaydon | Shawn, cant i have actors for behaviors which will edit the actor whom has the behavior? like a formula or something |
| 10:07.49 | JManV | oops |
| 10:07.51 | JManV | ies |
| 10:08.04 | Shawn|Rawr | Umm.. I don't think so |
| 10:08.06 | JManV | i can feel starcraft crashing |
| 10:08.17 | Slaydon | D:! |
| 10:09.05 | progammer_ | pimpist warp prism play |
| 10:09.12 | JManV | it didn't crash |
| 10:10.01 | JManV | the editor, on the other hand... |
| 10:10.05 | Slaydon | progammer_. |
| 10:10.15 | JManV | i accidently multi-selected most of the actor list |
| 10:10.30 | JManV | don't do that |
| 10:10.50 | Slaydon | Do you know if i can have multiple actors on the same unit, like i have 1 actor thing with 10 events and 10 actions, and i can apply that to my actor unit? |
| 10:11.07 | JManV | found it |
| 10:11.11 | Slaydon | 3: |
| 10:12.01 | JManV | i'm not sure man |
| 10:12.08 | JManV | i'm fuzzy with this actor thing |
| 10:12.15 | progammer_ | warp prism speed upgrade |
| 10:12.20 | progammer_ | i love this final |
| 10:12.26 | progammer_ | even though its ones sided |
| 10:12.37 | JManV | who gets that upgrade? |
| 10:12.40 | JManV | that's hilarious |
| 10:12.44 | progammer_ | oSsMC |
| 10:12.49 | progammer_ | and own rain |
| 10:12.52 | JManV | it's like using hallucinations effectively |
| 10:12.52 | progammer_ | oGsMC |
| 10:13.09 | JManV | it's nearly impossible |
| 10:13.19 | JManV | warp prism harass commits so many units |
| 10:13.31 | JManV | you can't run away like with medivacs |
| 10:13.32 | progammer_ | watch the gsl please |
| 10:14.04 | Shawn|Rawr | Did you news it? |
| 10:14.16 | progammer_ | news what ? |
| 10:14.44 | nolliepoper | I have a crush on OGsMC what do? |
| 10:15.26 | Shawn|Rawr | GSL lol |
| 10:15.45 | Slaydon | I ned halp |
| 10:15.56 | Slaydon | but i dun gat it. |
| 10:15.57 | Slaydon | D: |
| 10:16.14 | Shawn|Rawr | I tried to help, but you don't want to do things the way I do it |
| 10:16.49 | progammer_ | Shawn|Rawr: its for esport site like teamliquid, i dont really want overlap |
| 10:17.04 | Shawn|Rawr | mmk. makes sense |
| 10:17.20 | Slaydon | Im asking for, is there a way to remove the cluster and organize 1 actor using 1 event to check several events, like a custom event thingy, so i dont need to have 100 texture select by ids in one, but i have like, 5 of those which will do the actions. |
| 10:17.28 | progammer_ | sc2replayed is the replay site for curse |
| 10:17.36 | progammer_ | the parsing replay thing is pretty sick |
| 10:17.54 | Shawn|Rawr | Triggers? I don't knwo |
| 10:18.07 | Shawn|Rawr | One actor's events will not affect anothers |
| 10:18.38 | Slaydon | but, could a behavior edit the actor, by using an event in that behavior? |
| 10:19.00 | Skittles | uh |
| 10:19.05 | Shawn|Rawr | the Modification part of the behavior has all the things the behavior can do |
| 10:19.07 | Skittles | how to upload to youtube? |
| 10:19.09 | Skittles | I hit upload |
| 10:19.14 | Skittles | then filed out tags n all taht |
| 10:19.15 | Skittles | that |
| 10:19.18 | Skittles | uploaded video |
| 10:19.19 | Skittles | now what? |
| 10:19.27 | nolliepoper | save |
| 10:19.28 | Shawn|Rawr | upload, select video file |
| 10:19.30 | Shawn|Rawr | ? |
| 10:19.33 | Skittles | yeah |
| 10:19.36 | Skittles | filled out info |
| 10:19.37 | Skittles | his save |
| 10:19.38 | nolliepoper | check your videos to see if it is there |
| 10:19.41 | Skittles | url gives me this tho |
| 10:19.42 | Skittles | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ANd1Rs6oZ8 |
| 10:19.44 | nolliepoper | you browsed and uploaded |
| 10:20.01 | nolliepoper | Is it still processing? |
| 10:20.14 | Shawn|Rawr | No.. Did you go off the page before it finished? |
| 10:20.17 | Skittles | no both thigns finished |
| 10:20.18 | Skittles | things |
| 10:20.21 | Skittles | no |
| 10:20.26 | Skittles | i still have it up |
| 10:20.30 | Skittles | i gotta close first? |
| 10:20.36 | nolliepoper | it says video not available |
| 10:20.37 | Slaydon | can i do it with something else than behaviors then? tho apply them easily by triggers? |
| 10:20.37 | Shawn|Rawr | is ti 100%? |
| 10:20.45 | Skittles | yeah |
| 10:20.53 | Shawn|Rawr | Weird.. |
| 10:21.06 | Skittles | says failed |
| 10:21.13 | Skittles | please export ur video in wmv format |
| 10:21.15 | Skittles | but it was in that |
| 10:21.24 | Skittles | Is it cause I changed the tittle on the youtube page? |
| 10:21.31 | Skittles | had a .wmv on end of it |
| 10:21.43 | Skittles | figured it just cnped my filed name onto tittle tho |
| 10:21.49 | Shawn|Rawr | It did. |
| 10:21.55 | Shawn|Rawr | Just try it again |
| 10:22.00 | Shawn|Rawr | Make sure it gets to 100% |
| 10:22.14 | Skittles | it says 100% toh @.@ |
| 10:22.22 | Shawn|Rawr | Slaydon, you can have a trigger fire when a unit gains a behavior |
| 10:22.26 | Shawn|Rawr | im pretty sure |
| 10:22.33 | Skittles | Your file has been uploaded. We are now processing the video... |
| 10:22.42 | Slaydon | shawn, but |
| 10:22.43 | progammer_ | flu virus lol |
| 10:22.56 | nolliepoper | heh |
| 10:23.20 | Slaydon | shawn, that would still require lots of events in 1 actor. |
| 10:24.08 | Skittles | I can change tittle right? |
| 10:25.03 | Skittles | ah |
| 10:25.05 | Skittles | it's not in wmv |
| 10:25.13 | Skittles | it's in MSWMM |
| 10:25.14 | Skittles | Xd |
| 10:25.17 | JManV | w00t |
| 10:25.22 | JManV | i got the attack beam working |
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| 10:26.03 | Skittles | how to convet WSWMM to WMV? |
| 10:26.52 | Skittles | nvm i think i got it |
| 10:29.20 | Shawn|Rawr | Slaydon, what events? |
| 10:29.23 | Demalii | is there a way to see what line of a trigger is bad when it shows the error in game? |
| 10:29.30 | Shawn|Rawr | The unit gains the behacior, trigger fires |
| 10:29.33 | Shawn|Rawr | no actor events |
| 10:29.39 | Slaydon | Shawn, texture select by id |
| 10:29.45 | Shawn|Rawr | I have no idea what that mean |
| 10:29.50 | Skittles | dema best way is to put text messages after stuff you think may cause it |
| 10:30.07 | Demalii | ok |
| 10:30.08 | Skittles | that way in game if one doesn't appear, then it happened before that message |
| 10:30.23 | Demalii | that won't work for this trigger |
| 10:30.30 | Skittles | what's it do |
| 10:30.43 | Demalii | i'm trying to do this.. |
| 10:30.45 | Shawn|Rawr | Tell me the error message lol |
| 10:30.49 | Demalii | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:30.49 | Shawn|Rawr | And show me the trigger |
| 10:32.12 | Shawn|Rawr | GSL has all my attention |
| 10:34.48 | JManV | man, tinting a sentry to black is freaky |
| 10:34.58 | JManV | you can't see his ball |
| 10:35.12 | Demonette | test |
| 10:35.15 | Demonette | Mmmhh |
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| 10:36.48 | Demonette | t |
| 10:37.08 | Vindicator | Heya guys - i'm interested in learning something new - anyone got a link to something good on the forums or mapster wiki that they learned from recently? |
| 10:37.18 | Skittles | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ldgk-g305E |
| 10:37.20 | Skittles | gogogo~! |
| 10:37.22 | progammer_ | MC is the PvT god |
| 10:37.27 | progammer_ | cant belive he can stay that long |
| 10:38.06 | Shawn|Rawr | Vin, I've just been watching onetwo's tutorials if you dont know all that he shows |
| 10:38.53 | Skittles | video quality sucks lol |
| 10:39.04 | Skittles | stay? |
| 10:39.31 | progammer_ | yeah 2-1 MC lead |
| 10:39.46 | progammer_ | and the booth they sit in actually move for every win the got lol |
| 10:40.20 | Skittles | lol |
| 10:40.45 | nolliepoper | Do you like the commentators? |
| 10:40.57 | Vindicator | Shawn - k i'll check his out, i haven't kept up with them for a while, thx |
| 10:41.01 | Slaydon | I bet day 9 is one |
| 10:41.13 | nolliepoper | Vin what do you know already? |
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| 10:42.41 | Skittles | No one gonna watch my vid? =( |
| 10:43.16 | nolliepoper | did you see mine? |
| 10:43.40 | Vindicator | lots - all over the place |
| 10:44.03 | Vindicator | gotta link nollie? |
| 10:44.12 | Skittles | talking to me vind? |
| 10:44.18 | Vindicator | no, nollie - my bad |
| 10:44.21 | Skittles | Xd |
| 10:44.27 | Xapti | Freaking hell this is so annoying. I can't set an event "unit leaves region/distance-from-point/distance-from-unit" for like anything |
| 10:44.30 | Vindicator | i watch ur vid skittles - looks neat - needs audio tho |
| 10:44.30 | Skittles | Well would of been a insult anyway. |
| 10:44.32 | nolliepoper | no I was asking skittles vin |
| 10:44.32 | Skittles | lol |
| 10:44.38 | Vindicator | oh lolz my bad =D |
| 10:44.42 | nolliepoper | but skittles your quality is prett low |
| 10:44.43 | Skittles | I've got audio, just don't know how to record it |
| 10:44.49 | Skittles | yeah i saw that |
| 10:44.52 | Slaydon | How did i make a struct, again? |
| 10:44.57 | Slaydon | oh wait |
| 10:45.00 | Skittles | i can reupload over taht one right? |
| 10:45.04 | Skittles | or i gotta delete? |
| 10:45.11 | Slaydon | struct Items(int Head; int Cape;) { + } |
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| 10:45.15 | Slaydon | what did i do wrong? |
| 10:45.30 | nolliepoper | what are you recording with? |
| 10:46.02 | Skittles | used WEgame |
| 10:46.03 | nolliepoper | the maps seems hard because it is dark too |
| 10:46.14 | Skittles | I'm formating it in 720 now |
| 10:46.18 | nolliepoper | I use hypercam 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlV6RHBNp_s |
| 10:46.26 | Skittles | Could of been darker. :p |
| 10:46.43 | nolliepoper | and I currently don't have a video editor to render |
| 10:46.46 | Skittles | naw it's cause i published the map as ideal settings for my computer |
| 10:46.51 | Skittles | which i guess is 480 |
| 10:47.04 | Skittles | 720 should be good right? |
| 10:47.06 | Slaydon | struct Items(int Head; int Cape;) {, what did i do wrong in this line? |
| 10:47.11 | Skittles | or should i had done it in 1080? |
| 10:47.19 | nolliepoper | but have a cool codeccalled lossless |
| 10:47.47 | Skittles | i'm using windows movie maker |
| 10:48.21 | Skittles | Also I lagged in begining Xd |
| 10:48.22 | nolliepoper | o no wonder |
| 10:49.01 | Skittles | what? |
| 10:50.28 | Slaydon | !!!! anyone answur meh |
| 10:50.29 | nolliepoper | I don't think wmm is able to make quality |
| 10:51.28 | Skittles | idk if it can or not |
| 10:51.33 | Skittles | but the original video wasn't in bad quality |
| 10:51.41 | Skittles | i just formated it in 480p |
| 10:51.46 | Skittles | on accident |
| 10:51.57 | Skittles | 2 minutes til it's in 780p |
| 10:52.07 | Skittles | and if that's still bad, i'll use 1080p |
| 10:52.18 | Skittles | but can i replace the video? |
| 10:52.28 | Skittles | or do i need to delete n redo |
| 10:52.37 | nolliepoper | delete and redo |
| 10:52.44 | nolliepoper | or just upload them both |
| 10:52.48 | nolliepoper | and have 2 to compair from |
| 10:52.54 | Slaydon | -.- |
| 10:53.18 | Skittles | how big is a "big" video file? |
| 10:53.32 | Slaydon | 270gb. |
| 10:53.37 | Skittles | lol |
| 10:53.39 | Skittles | true enuf |
| 10:53.46 | Skittles | one i uploaded was 24mb |
| 10:53.49 | progammer | straight out of fraps, 1 min is 1 GB |
| 10:54.07 | Skittles | that's rather big @.@ |
| 10:54.08 | Slaydon | lol, my dad made this commercial thing to cinema size, it lasted 30 seconds and was like, 2.7gb |
| 10:54.21 | Slaydon | less than 30* |
| 10:54.22 | progammer | yep 1080p is big |
| 10:54.25 | Shawn|Rawr | I use camtasia |
| 10:54.28 | nolliepoper | can you use the lossless codec with fraps? |
| 10:54.31 | Skittles | should i use 780p? |
| 10:54.32 | Shawn|Rawr | Makes small files |
| 10:54.41 | progammer | just have the disk space |
| 10:54.44 | nolliepoper | idk I prefere hypercam2 it is perfect. |
| 10:54.46 | progammer | you can compress them |
| 10:54.52 | progammer | i use h.264 |
| 10:54.52 | JManV | ok, so i gave my hero blink, but i had to copy it to drop the requirement. but if he's with stalkers, and i blink, they blink together |
| 10:54.52 | Skittles | yeah |
| 10:55.04 | JManV | i gave another hero sentry abilities |
| 10:55.17 | progammer | JManV: make sure the ability is duplicated |
| 10:55.20 | JManV | but if he's with sentries, none of the abilities are linked |
| 10:55.21 | progammer | and remove the link value |
| 10:55.27 | progammer | else it will link with blink |
| 10:55.30 | progammer | like zeratul blink |
| 10:55.33 | JManV | i want that to happen for something else |
| 10:55.51 | JManV | blinking together is fine, good even. but it worked on accident |
| 10:55.54 | Skittles | kay i think 780p is good enough |
| 10:56.20 | JManV | but if my hero has force field, and sentry with him, it doens't work |
| 10:56.26 | JManV | but they are the *same* ability |
| 10:56.34 | JManV | not even a copy |
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| 10:57.42 | Shawn|Rawr | Hive Keeper Man! |
| 10:57.52 | JManV | maybe it should be a copy? |
| 10:57.55 | Skittles | lol |
| 10:58.28 | Skittles | 117mb this time |
| 10:58.29 | JManV | where does the link happen? |
| 10:58.43 | Shawn|Rawr | Link from what to what? |
| 10:58.48 | JManV | abilities |
| 10:59.04 | Shawn|Rawr | that's one thing |
| 10:59.07 | Shawn|Rawr | :/ |
| 10:59.22 | JManV | to other abilities |
| 10:59.27 | JManV | so they cast togther |
| 10:59.30 | progammer | MC owns, chesse or macro |
| 10:59.48 | Shawn|Rawr | He did both |
| 10:59.50 | Shawn|Rawr | lol |
| 11:00.14 | nolliepoper | I need to learn that cheese |
| 11:00.20 | nolliepoper | that was short and sweet. |
| 11:00.20 | Shawn|Rawr | That's my fave |
| 11:00.31 | nolliepoper | not a thing terran can do. |
| 11:01.11 | Shawn|Rawr | Ya, making supply depot a req for rax was a horrible idea |
| 11:01.36 | Skittles | wtf? |
| 11:01.47 | progammer | it is to stop horrible marine rush |
| 11:01.54 | nolliepoper | no way that is balance |
| 11:01.54 | progammer | but anyway balance is tough |
| 11:01.59 | Skittles | i formated in 780p this time but 280p is the highest quality it will let me use on utube? |
| 11:02.00 | nolliepoper | toss needs pylon bruh |
| 11:02.13 | progammer | Skittles: it is processing |
| 11:02.19 | progammer | wait and 720 will pop out |
| 11:02.31 | Skittles | oh so true |
| 11:03.34 | Skittles | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rxe3sMO9Kac |
| 11:03.41 | Skittles | if it anyone wants it |
| 11:04.02 | Shawn|Rawr | I'm waiting for a mothership rush |
| 11:04.07 | Skittles | progammer u should so news this cause i spelt ur name right. |
| 11:04.43 | progammer | Skittle named my name right ? |
| 11:04.57 | Skittles | spelt! |
| 11:05.07 | Skittles | Mr.Skittles to you now! |
| 11:05.09 | Skittles | lol |
| 11:05.17 | progammer | damn i'm needing some sleep |
| 11:05.26 | progammer | though this gsl is worth it |
| 11:08.37 | Skittles | lol |
| 11:08.53 | Skittles | so how about that news ;? |
| 11:10.18 | Agouti | wait |
| 11:10.23 | Agouti | US people still on :o |
| 11:10.31 | Skittles | u bet |
| 11:10.41 | Agouti | you are almost as bad as me |
| 11:10.43 | Skittles | i fell asleep at 2pm and slept til 10:30 pm |
| 11:10.48 | Skittles | lol |
| 11:10.55 | Agouti | I've made a firm commitment to go to bed before the sun rises |
| 11:11.03 | Agouti | this is important to me |
| 11:11.10 | Skittles | lol |
| 11:11.22 | Skittles | outback where the sun don't shine |
| 11:11.27 | m4ng3 | any1 got a good tower upgrade tutorial? |
| 11:11.28 | Shawn|Rawr | I'm US! |
| 11:11.41 | Agouti | US hsmoo-S |
| 11:11.43 | Agouti | :P |
| 11:11.45 | Shawn|Rawr | mange, try something from youtube.com/onetwosc |
| 11:11.45 | Agouti | though |
| 11:11.48 | Agouti | I do miss the snow |
| 11:12.10 | Skittles | ? |
| 11:12.13 | Agouti | I grew up in a mountain area where it snowed |
| 11:12.16 | Skittles | u moved to austraila from us? |
| 11:12.18 | Skittles | oh |
| 11:12.25 | Agouti | nono |
| 11:12.31 | Agouti | just moved down to the coast |
| 11:12.45 | Skittles | yeah |
| 11:12.50 | Skittles | u hate beach babes? |
| 11:13.00 | Agouti | I just liked snowboarding :c |
| 11:13.14 | Agouti | plus I burn easily D: |
| 11:13.25 | Agouti | which was actually more of a problem in the snow |
| 11:13.27 | Agouti | but anyway |
| 11:13.30 | Skittles | sure sure |
| 11:13.37 | Agouti | at least then you could cover up easily |
| 11:13.43 | Skittles | lol |
| 11:14.00 | Skittles | You and your dingolongs can go have fun now tho |
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| 11:14.08 | Agouti | wha? |
| 11:14.15 | Skittles | ding-o-lings i mean |
| 11:14.30 | Agouti | O_o |
| 11:14.34 | Skittles | 0.0 |
| 11:14.37 | Agouti | still confused |
| 11:14.50 | Skittles | ding-a-ling means dick |
| 11:14.52 | Agouti | if you are referring to like, dingo's |
| 11:14.53 | Skittles | u have dingos |
| 11:15.17 | m4ng3 | i have followed it and it only works sometimes... |
| 11:15.26 | Agouti | no dingos out east coast where I am |
| 11:15.36 | Skittles | yeah yeah sure |
| 11:15.39 | Skittles | anyway |
| 11:15.46 | Skittles | more zombie ideas |
| 11:15.47 | Skittles | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rxe3sMO9Kac |
| 11:15.51 | Agouti | zombie ideas |
| 11:15.51 | Skittles | better quality btw |
| 11:15.53 | Agouti | aaayye |
| 11:16.23 | Skittles | ah i remember two now |
| 11:16.34 | Skittles | dog & muscle guy |
| 11:16.48 | Skittles | need a special one tho |
| 11:20.54 | Agouti | well, you are already basically copying L4D |
| 11:20.56 | Agouti | why stop there |
| 11:21.07 | Agouti | a guy with a range pull/disable |
| 11:21.13 | Agouti | a guy with a leap disable |
| 11:21.16 | Skittles | ? |
| 11:21.17 | Skittles | Wtf? |
| 11:21.18 | Xapti | damn I need to talk to heral, I hope he's on tomorrow |
| 11:21.22 | Agouti | :P |
| 11:21.23 | Skittles | I didn't copy l4d at all |
| 11:21.31 | Skittles | Not a single unit |
| 11:21.37 | Agouti | muscle guy? |
| 11:21.39 | Agouti | dog? |
| 11:21.45 | Agouti | I was only teasing |
| 11:21.47 | Skittles | >d |
| 11:21.51 | Agouti | rolls his eyes |
| 11:21.54 | Skittles | but yeah pull thing |
| 11:21.57 | Agouti | but seriously |
| 11:21.57 | Skittles | i don't want it |
| 11:22.02 | Agouti | that was a joke |
| 11:22.08 | Skittles | cuz it's to one side u know? |
| 11:22.11 | Agouti | sadly there are only so many ideas |
| 11:22.12 | Skittles | sided |
| 11:22.17 | Skittles | lies |
| 11:22.26 | Agouti | ok |
| 11:22.27 | Agouti | so |
| 11:22.29 | Agouti | ideas |
| 11:22.32 | Agouti | a disable of some kind |
| 11:22.37 | Agouti | be it temp or channel |
| 11:22.43 | Agouti | e.g. |
| 11:22.50 | Agouti | a leap which knocks someone over |
| 11:22.53 | Agouti | stuns for 2 seconds |
| 11:22.53 | ducky | hi, anyone knows how to rename unit attribute? |
| 11:23.22 | Agouti | Behaviour |
| 11:23.28 | Agouti | Attirbute |
| 11:23.29 | progammer | as predicted |
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| 11:23.37 | ducky | ? |
| 11:23.37 | Agouti | Behaviour Name |
| 11:23.37 | nolliepoper | GEE GEE MC WINS |
| 11:23.39 | progammer | though not 4-0 |
| 11:24.07 | Agouti | go to behaviours, find the attribute, go to attribute name |
| 11:24.12 | Agouti | set it there ducky |
| 11:24.16 | ducky | :O thanks |
| 11:24.28 | Agouti | ok, skittles |
| 11:24.39 | Agouti | so there are 4 ways to apply the abilities |
| 11:24.45 | Agouti | 1 is a ranged cast |
| 11:24.55 | Agouti | then there is a on impact type, e.g. a leap |
| 11:25.04 | Agouti | then there is a channel of some description |
| 11:25.07 | Agouti | then there is a suicide |
| 11:25.10 | Skittles | oh yeah forgot i made one and nvr implemented the range guy |
| 11:25.11 | Skittles | lol |
| 11:25.12 | Agouti | in terms of effects |
| 11:25.17 | Agouti | you have a slow |
| 11:25.24 | Agouti | be it AS, MS, whatever |
| 11:25.26 | Skittles | I do? |
| 11:25.30 | Agouti | direct damage |
| 11:25.39 | Agouti | *you can have |
| 11:25.43 | Skittles | i already wrote that stuff down |
| 11:25.44 | Skittles | 1 sec |
| 11:25.45 | Agouti | rolls his eyes AGAIN |
| 11:26.03 | Agouti | some sort of AI inducing behaviour, like the L4D Boomer |
| 11:26.28 | Agouti | suppression type modifiers, like supress movement/attacking/casting |
| 11:26.35 | Agouti | e.g. stuns |
| 11:26.42 | Agouti | controlling abilities |
| 11:26.52 | Agouti | like, make the players unit start attacking allies |
| 11:27.04 | ducky | Agouti , sorry i meant attributes like "Light, Biological, Structutre" etc.. any hint on where i can change their names? |
| 11:27.13 | Skittles | idk where i put it |
| 11:27.14 | Skittles | lol |
| 11:27.17 | Agouti | camera control/environment control, like making everything dark |
| 11:27.23 | Agouti | I'm just giving you ideas |
| 11:27.29 | Agouti | ducky: |
| 11:27.32 | Bibendus|AFK | is now away - Reason : Auto-Away after 30 minutes |
| 11:27.32 | Agouti | for example |
| 11:27.45 | Agouti | Behavior NameSourceRaceBehavior Type |
| 11:27.46 | Agouti | Attribute - Strengthisland defence.SC2Map(None)Attribute |
| 11:28.03 | Agouti | Behaviour Name - Strength |
| 11:28.15 | Agouti | FieldAttribute - Strength |
| 11:28.15 | Agouti | Combat - Modification - Damage Dealt (Unscaled)(0|1|1|1) |
| 11:28.24 | Skittles | anyway |
| 11:28.25 | Agouti | FieldAttribute - Strength |
| 11:28.26 | Agouti | Unit - Modification - Vital Max Bonus(25|0|0) |
| 11:28.29 | Agouti | FieldAttribute - Strength |
| 11:28.29 | Agouti | Unit - Modification - Vital Regeneration Bonus(0.0507|0|0) |
| 11:28.32 | Skittles | need 1 more unit then ima call it good |
| 11:28.32 | ducky | thats not it, nit rpg stuff |
| 11:28.38 | Skittles | i've got this: |
| 11:28.38 | ducky | *not, |
| 11:28.41 | Skittles | what u've seeen |
| 11:28.45 | Skittles | a shooter |
| 11:28.50 | Skittles | a leaper |
| 11:28.59 | Skittles | a guy with a lot of hp |
| 11:29.02 | Skittles | who hits hard |
| 11:29.03 | Agouti | sorry, ducky, I misunderstood what you wanted |
| 11:29.06 | Skittles | and u will fly back when hit |
| 11:29.17 | Agouti | that makes little sense skittles :p |
| 11:29.20 | Skittles | now i need 1 more |
| 11:29.26 | Skittles | how so? |
| 11:29.35 | Agouti | super strong, super tough, and light as a feather |
| 11:29.43 | Skittles | ? |
| 11:29.44 | progammer | this guy is PvT baller |
| 11:29.50 | Skittles | he hits u and u fly back |
| 11:29.53 | Skittles | not other way around |
| 11:29.54 | Agouti | ah |
| 11:29.55 | Agouti | right |
| 11:29.57 | Agouti | my bad |
| 11:30.00 | Skittles | lol |
| 11:30.03 | Agouti | goodo |
| 11:30.06 | Agouti | please, continue |
| 11:30.19 | Skittles | can only kill unit from back would be good? |
| 11:30.20 | Agouti | progammer: link to replay pls <3 |
| 11:30.22 | Skittles | he turns slowly? |
| 11:30.29 | Agouti | mmm |
| 11:30.36 | progammer | gsl replay cant be released |
| 11:30.37 | Agouti | but turning speeds are so massive in sc2 |
| 11:30.51 | Skittles | I'll make it a 1. |
| 11:30.52 | Skittles | lol |
| 11:30.55 | Agouti | progammer: weird, cos I've been downloading the monthlies for a while now... |
| 11:31.05 | progammer | download what ? |
| 11:31.10 | progammer | replay for gsl 2 ? |
| 11:31.27 | Agouti | they were labled as GSL O_o |
| 11:31.30 | Agouti | maybe not... |
| 11:31.41 | ducky | hey programmed, do you know where can I change attributes name? (Biological, Armored, Light etc..) ? |
| 11:31.50 | ducky | faaak, i messed up his name D: |
| 11:31.56 | progammer | text editor |
| 11:31.57 | ducky | progammer |
| 11:31.59 | ducky | yea |
| 11:32.04 | Agouti | OHH |
| 11:32.05 | Agouti | RIGHT |
| 11:32.06 | Agouti | gotcha |
| 11:32.09 | Agouti | my bad ducky |
| 11:32.10 | progammer | yep fixed my name is a good move :) |
| 11:32.13 | Skittles | actually my projectile system isn't dynamic enough for different dmg on different units |
| 11:32.36 | Skittles | or checking for different |
| 11:32.39 | Skittles | angles |
| 11:33.28 | ducky | i can't seem ti find right one.. i wanted to change "hover" to something else but it won't change >.< |
| 11:34.11 | ducky | i've found 3 "hover" in "presetValue", changed all of them but nothing happened |
| 11:37.45 | progammer | find smt else easier |
| 11:37.53 | progammer | the directory would be similar |
| 11:38.08 | progammer | make sure to select all in the text editor |
| 11:39.03 | ducky | will try |
| 11:42.48 | progammer | lol rain http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/6978/sonyericssonstarcraftii.jpg |
| 11:44.23 | ducky | yay, found needed string tyvm |
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| 11:59.14 | Agouti | progammer, Skittles: Made you look :P |
| 11:59.29 | Skittles | ? |
| 11:59.47 | Agouti | operation annoy skittles: success |
| 11:59.53 | Skittles | @.@ |
| 11:59.57 | Skittles | Confused rather. |
| 11:59.59 | Agouti | xD |
| 12:00.15 | Agouti | hows your zombie crafting going? |
| 12:00.36 | progammer | i |
| 12:00.41 | progammer | 'm kinda annoyed |
| 12:00.49 | Agouti | data editor has turned certain portions of my brain into a substance not unlike runny porridge |
| 12:00.56 | Agouti | I cannot be blamed |
| 12:01.34 | Skittles | so confused on why this knockback is doing what it's doing |
| 12:01.40 | Agouti | oh? |
| 12:01.48 | Skittles | konkcbacks are so easy too.. |
| 12:01.52 | Skittles | knock |
| 12:01.57 | Skittles | hard to spell, easy to make! |
| 12:02.06 | Agouti | konks are better anyway |
| 12:02.13 | Skittles | uh sure |
| 12:02.25 | Agouti | no? never had that at your school? |
| 12:02.29 | Agouti | whenever that was |
| 12:02.33 | Agouti | never mind |
| 12:02.59 | Agouti | so how are you implementing it? |
| 12:03.06 | Skittles | http://pastebin.com/HxwpvhPu |
| 12:03.39 | Skittles | what i'm not understanding is the that it like waits a second then does it all at once |
| 12:04.04 | Agouti | hmm |
| 12:04.22 | Agouti | something unrelated: shouldn't the knockback be away from the caster, not simply backwards on the hero? |
| 12:04.30 | Skittles | ? |
| 12:04.42 | Agouti | Unit - Move Hero instantly to ((Position of Hero) offset by (Distance * 0.05) towards ((Facing of Hero) - 180.0) degrees) (Blend) |
| 12:04.42 | Skittles | true enough but |
| 12:04.55 | Agouti | I know that is not your problem |
| 12:05.03 | Agouti | just thought I would point that out |
| 12:05.23 | Agouti | I believe it is the Pause Hero |
| 12:05.25 | Agouti | that is doing it |
| 12:05.38 | Agouti | why, I'm not sure, but that would match your results |
| 12:05.56 | Agouti | can't you just suppress everything for the period of the knockback? |
| 12:06.06 | Agouti | I'm not 100% on what Pause even does... |
| 12:06.26 | Skittles | technically my unit should still be able to shoot lol |
| 12:06.42 | Skittles | but im using enemy angle now |
| 12:06.45 | Skittles | so no reason to pause any way |
| 12:06.46 | Agouti | can't you just Supress Movement, Suppress Turning ? |
| 12:07.12 | Agouti | or Disable Unit Ability: Move ? |
| 12:07.15 | Skittles | u can do that? |
| 12:07.21 | Agouti | yes |
| 12:07.32 | Skittles | moving i knew |
| 12:07.34 | Skittles | but not turning @.@ |
| 12:07.43 | Agouti | er, let me double check, then |
| 12:08.19 | Skittles | kay yeah |
| 12:08.21 | Skittles | it was pause |
| 12:08.22 | Skittles | weird |
| 12:09.08 | Agouti | yeah |
| 12:09.42 | Agouti | you can do both Suppress Turning and Suppress Movement under Behavior - Modification - Modify Flags |
| 12:09.57 | Skittles | did u play black ops? |
| 12:10.03 | Agouti | I refuse to buy it |
| 12:10.06 | Agouti | :c |
| 12:10.25 | Skittles | they have nazi zombies tho |
| 12:10.26 | Agouti | CoD franchise has raped it's player base |
| 12:10.29 | Agouti | so? |
| 12:10.34 | Agouti | so did earlier cods lol |
| 12:10.38 | Skittles | pshh |
| 12:10.39 | Agouti | CoD4 has it as a mod |
| 12:10.39 | Skittles | anyway |
| 12:10.43 | Agouti | ya |
| 12:10.44 | Agouti | anyway |
| 12:10.46 | Skittles | they have a gun |
| 12:10.53 | Skittles | look pretty cool |
| 12:10.54 | Skittles | uh |
| 12:11.10 | Agouti | not happy with infested marine gun I'm guessing... |
| 12:11.53 | Skittles | nvm does it different then i thought |
| 12:11.57 | Skittles | what? |
| 12:12.07 | Agouti | the only zombie like gun in sc2 |
| 12:12.08 | Skittles | I'm not even using infested marines |
| 12:12.19 | Skittles | or inftesed civilians |
| 12:12.23 | Skittles | boy... go watch my video |
| 12:12.25 | Agouti | I know, but the gun is a separate model AFAIK |
| 12:12.28 | Agouti | oh |
| 12:12.32 | Agouti | sowwy :( |
| 12:12.35 | Skittles | Xd |
| 12:12.43 | Skittles | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rxe3sMO9Kac |
| 12:12.48 | Skittles | wow had 5 views since i last saw it |
| 12:13.30 | Skittles | does it count people twice? |
| 12:13.34 | progammer | anyone knows anthing about the HON map editor |
| 12:13.43 | progammer | is it any good at making custom ruleset |
| 12:14.32 | Agouti | that is looking very polished |
| 12:14.35 | Skittles | you lost me twice in taht sentence |
| 12:14.36 | Skittles | lol |
| 12:14.38 | Skittles | that |
| 12:14.45 | Skittles | HON and RuleSEt |
| 12:14.46 | Skittles | Xd |
| 12:14.51 | Skittles | what's looking polish? |
| 12:14.54 | Agouti | I have no idea progammer |
| 12:14.58 | Agouti | your map |
| 12:14.59 | Agouti | skittles |
| 12:15.03 | Skittles | Doesn't even shine! |
| 12:15.11 | Agouti | er |
| 12:15.19 | Agouti | don't take it so litterally... |
| 12:15.22 | progammer | Skittles: making custom rule instead of editing dota mechanics variable |
| 12:15.39 | progammer | or just compare to galaxy editor in general |
| 12:15.52 | Agouti | polished, as in tidy, as in refined, etc |
| 12:16.05 | Agouti | JESUS TAKE A COMPLEMENT |
| 12:16.08 | Agouti | but |
| 12:16.17 | Agouti | I think the camera control is clunky |
| 12:16.39 | Agouti | would consider at least the option of camera following hero |
| 12:16.47 | Skittles | mk |
| 12:17.01 | Skittles | can't agouti |
| 12:17.06 | Skittles | if u use a camera to follow a unit |
| 12:17.22 | Skittles | it makes the camera have a different attack angle |
| 12:17.30 | Agouti | are you sure? |
| 12:17.33 | Skittles | and my map is at cliff level zero so it has to be at 180 |
| 12:17.35 | Skittles | i mean 90 |
| 12:17.43 | Skittles | so mouse isn't messed up |
| 12:17.54 | Skittles | and yeah i tried setting it after telling it to follow unit |
| 12:17.57 | Skittles | wouldn't work |
| 12:18.00 | Agouti | did you |
| 12:18.01 | Agouti | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:18.08 | Agouti | not |
| 12:18.29 | Agouti | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:18.38 | Agouti | because the latter controls what the camera looks at |
| 12:18.47 | Agouti | while the former controls the position of the camera |
| 12:19.12 | Agouti | if you use the latter the position of the camera won't change, it will just track turret-like |
| 12:19.21 | Agouti | e.g. stay pointing at target |
| 12:19.43 | Agouti | whereas the former moves the camera's position such that the unit/unit group remains in the center |
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| 12:21.40 | Skittles | ? |
| 12:21.44 | Skittles | U can't take only 1 tho |
| 12:22.04 | Agouti | Unit Group from Unit |
| 12:22.13 | Skittles | yeah |
| 12:22.16 | Skittles | that's anoying as hell tho |
| 12:22.22 | Agouti | er |
| 12:22.43 | Agouti | in terms of.... ? |
| 12:23.54 | Agouti | If you want the implementation, it;s |
| 12:23.59 | Agouti | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:24.39 | Skittles | uuuuh |
| 12:24.43 | Skittles | idk i tried that one tho |
| 12:24.47 | Skittles | forgot what it was |
| 12:25.02 | Agouti | the name in the list |
| 12:25.08 | Agouti | is Follow Unit Group With Camera |
| 12:25.21 | Agouti | it's the one you want |
| 12:25.31 | Agouti | I'm 90% sure it will do what I've said it will |
| 12:26.25 | Skittles | using it now |
| 12:26.33 | Skittles | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:26.47 | progammer | this just in, a day ago http://www.ripten.com/2010/12/17/blizzard-confirms-titan-is-their-next-gen-mmo/ |
| 12:27.30 | Skittles | didn't work |
| 12:27.34 | Skittles | didn't follow the unit |
| 12:27.51 | Agouti | are you sure you set the unit right? |
| 12:28.04 | Skittles | yeah |
| 12:28.08 | Skittles | i set it the same trigger too |
| 12:28.14 | Agouti | and you set it after the code to set the camera angle? |
| 12:28.24 | Skittles | yeah |
| 12:28.27 | Skittles | angle stayed the same |
| 12:28.28 | Agouti | also: interesting but largely useless progammer :P |
| 12:28.31 | Skittles | but camera didn't follow the unit |
| 12:28.50 | progammer | well confirmation is a good thing |
| 12:28.56 | Skittles | titan being the name? |
| 12:28.59 | Agouti | try testing by specifying Unit Group(The Hero at [xxxx,yyyyy]) |
| 12:29.00 | Skittles | been on wikipedia for awhile |
| 12:29.10 | Agouti | just WoW v2.0 |
| 12:29.29 | Agouti | it will probably be SC2: FTS |
| 12:29.32 | Agouti | Titan |
| 12:29.34 | Skittles | probably lol |
| 12:29.39 | Agouti | then the next SC2 expansion |
| 12:29.42 | Skittles | wow makes the worse rpgs imo |
| 12:29.47 | Skittles | they want little kids to badly |
| 12:29.52 | Agouti | with D3 thrown in somewhere, possibly |
| 12:29.53 | Skittles | damn pedophiles |
| 12:29.57 | Skittles | i mean blizz btw |
| 12:30.18 | Skittles | D3 has steampunkish graphics... they did it to piss me off i know it |
| 12:30.36 | Agouti | pretty sure I heard that in a mem leak somewhere |
| 12:30.43 | Agouti | I wondered why they were talking about skittles |
| 12:30.50 | Agouti | *memo |
| 12:31.14 | Shawn|Rawr | Ya, it was on wikileaks.. they had an email describing the agony it would bring to Skittles |
| 12:31.19 | Skittles | it was probably sc2mapster |
| 12:31.25 | Agouti | double check the UG that is being given to the camera follow function |
| 12:31.31 | Skittles | they posted a schedule leak thing |
| 12:31.51 | Skittles | eh |
| 12:31.56 | Skittles | it's pretty obvious isn't it? |
| 12:31.59 | Shawn|Rawr | That was very old |
| 12:32.02 | Skittles | "Allies" |
| 12:32.04 | Skittles | player 1 |
| 12:32.06 | Skittles | lol |
| 12:32.15 | Agouti | I don't trust it :P |
| 12:32.16 | progammer | "leaks, leaks everywhere" |
| 12:32.22 | progammer | and it was on wikileak china |
| 12:32.27 | Agouti | do Unit Group(point to the unit itself) |
| 12:32.38 | Agouti | just to make sure :P |
| 12:32.49 | Shawn|Rawr | progammer, I think my map is purty |
| 12:32.54 | Agouti | link |
| 12:32.59 | Shawn|Rawr | You should news how pretty it is |
| 12:33.16 | Agouti | purl: shawns map is purty |
| 12:33.16 | purl | okay, Agouti |
| 12:33.33 | Agouti | done and done |
| 12:34.43 | Shawn|Rawr | purl what is shawns map? |
| 12:34.43 | purl | shawns map is, like, purty |
| 12:34.58 | Agouti | xD |
| 12:35.35 | Skittles | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:35.37 | Skittles | happy? |
| 12:35.53 | Skittles | didn't work |
| 12:36.30 | Agouti | Clear Current Target |
| 12:36.32 | Agouti | not Keep |
| 12:36.33 | Shawn|Rawr | Damn.. I actually need the melee init trigger |
| 12:36.35 | Shawn|Rawr | I deleted it |
| 12:37.10 | Skittles | ? |
| 12:37.18 | Skittles | sure |
| 12:37.42 | Shawn|Rawr | Shh.. I'm tired noe |
| 12:37.43 | Shawn|Rawr | now |
| 12:37.50 | Shawn|Rawr | What are you trying to do? |
| 12:37.55 | Agouti | gooooooo to sleeeeeeeep |
| 12:38.00 | Agouti | liiiiiiiiiiiittle shaaaaaaaaaaaawn |
| 12:38.07 | Agouti | dooo doo doo doo doo doo doo |
| 12:38.12 | Agouti | doo doo doo |
| 12:38.20 | Agouti | doo doo doo doo doo doo dooooooooo |
| 12:38.33 | Shawn|Rawr | HAHHAH!! I enabled computer AI for two of my players.. now one is attacking the other |
| 12:38.37 | Skittles | 0.0 |
| 12:38.40 | Agouti | lol |
| 12:38.44 | Agouti | BUM FIGHT |
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| 12:38.58 | Shawn|Rawr | He won! lol |
| 12:39.20 | Agouti | Shawn|Rawr: he is trying to get the camera to follow a unit |
| 12:39.25 | Agouti | from a custom angle |
| 12:39.30 | Skittles | didn't work btw |
| 12:39.43 | Agouti | it's always worked for me /shrug |
| 12:39.53 | Skittles | gah! I made the knockback at a constant speed... shameful! |
| 12:40.00 | Agouti | booooo |
| 12:40.07 | Agouti | invers exponential |
| 12:40.09 | Skittles | shit friction is going to be a bitch if i want to specify the distance it goes! |
| 12:40.10 | Agouti | kgo |
| 12:40.34 | Agouti | just use Work and maths |
| 12:40.39 | Skittles | hmm? |
| 12:40.44 | Skittles | work? |
| 12:40.47 | Agouti | specify the energy that you are using in the knockback |
| 12:40.48 | Agouti | yeah |
| 12:40.54 | Skittles | oh |
| 12:40.55 | Agouti | y'know, work = force x distance |
| 12:40.56 | Skittles | yeah but |
| 12:41.01 | Skittles | oh |
| 12:41.04 | Skittles | hmm |
| 12:41.12 | Skittles | what's work tho? |
| 12:41.32 | Agouti | kinetic energy = 0.5 x mass x velocity ^2 |
| 12:41.43 | Agouti | you give it a certain amount of energy |
| 12:41.55 | Agouti | then subtract the work done by friction each tick |
| 12:41.56 | Skittles | ehh |
| 12:42.07 | Skittles | but idk what work is |
| 12:42.18 | Agouti | work is energy |
| 12:42.27 | Skittles | which is? |
| 12:42.28 | Skittles | Xd |
| 12:42.37 | Agouti | work is the process of adding or removing energy of one sort or another |
| 12:42.45 | Skittles | it would be a made up value that I wouldn't have a clue about |
| 12:42.53 | Agouti | it's just physics |
| 12:42.57 | Agouti | ok |
| 12:43.00 | Skittles | lol |
| 12:43.13 | Agouti | the function accepts a value for the kinetic energy given to the unit |
| 12:43.20 | Skittles | yeesh when i made a bounce it was all so easier! |
| 12:43.24 | Agouti | so the unit has X joules of kinetic energy |
| 12:43.32 | Agouti | and that kinetic energy |
| 12:43.45 | Agouti | is equal to .5 * mass* velocity^2 |
| 12:43.55 | Agouti | e.g. you know the energy you know the mass |
| 12:44.00 | Agouti | so you can work out the velocity |
| 12:44.06 | Skittles | I need a equation with force and distance in it |
| 12:44.22 | Skittles | I already know the velocity fool |
| 12:44.34 | Agouti | then each tick, friction robs it of kinetic energy |
| 12:44.50 | Agouti | using energy = force (friction)*distance |
| 12:45.16 | Agouti | you don't apply a force to make the object move - a force alone does no work without distance |
| 12:45.24 | Agouti | you apply energy |
| 12:45.29 | Skittles | Xd |
| 12:45.38 | Skittles | then why bother with force! |
| 12:45.45 | Agouti | like gravity, right now, is not giving you any kinetic energy |
| 12:45.56 | Agouti | because friction is applying a force |
| 12:46.14 | Agouti | over a distance |
| 12:46.21 | Skittles | yeah yeah anyway |
| 12:46.36 | Agouti | sighs |
| 12:46.37 | Skittles | you shouldn't bs 2 values |
| 12:46.43 | Agouti | you just want a formula don't you |
| 12:46.48 | Skittles | yeppers |
| 12:46.49 | Agouti | ok |
| 12:47.03 | Agouti | the function accepts an amount of energy given to the object |
| 12:47.16 | Agouti | at each tick |
| 12:47.16 | Skittles | 1 sec |
| 12:47.18 | Skittles | im a genius |
| 12:47.21 | Skittles | ima figure it out |
| 12:47.23 | Skittles | with math! |
| 12:47.24 | Skittles | AHAHAH |
| 12:47.27 | Agouti | let me write this out to make sure no mistakes |
| 12:47.32 | Agouti | THIS IS MATH |
| 12:47.34 | Agouti | ugh |
| 12:47.35 | Agouti | -.- |
| 12:47.40 | Agouti | but also |
| 12:47.41 | Agouti | GOOD |
| 12:47.44 | Agouti | DO EET. |
| 12:48.52 | Skittles | okay got it |
| 12:48.54 | Skittles | without reading urs |
| 12:49.03 | Skittles | oh u didnt have shit |
| 12:49.05 | Skittles | it was all a buff! |
| 12:49.09 | Skittles | anyway |
| 12:49.20 | Agouti | if you want it to be accurate |
| 12:49.21 | Agouti | it's |
| 12:49.24 | Skittles | Distance *1.2 gives me the distance to use |
| 12:49.28 | Skittles | .2 being my friction |
| 12:49.29 | Skittles | <3 |
| 12:50.06 | Skittles | already finding velocity according to my distance so.. =D |
| 12:50.14 | Agouti | velocity = sqrt(2(CurrEnergy - Friction*DistanceTraveledSinceLastCalc)/Mass) |
| 12:50.29 | Agouti | and when you first push it |
| 12:50.34 | Agouti | CurrEnergy = whatever |
| 12:50.36 | Skittles | okay this may not work |
| 12:50.39 | Agouti | then |
| 12:50.40 | Skittles | gawd give me a aminute |
| 12:50.44 | Skittles | lol |
| 12:50.51 | Agouti | actually, wait |
| 12:50.55 | Agouti | you need to |
| 12:51.15 | Agouti | CurrEnergy = CurrEnergy - Friction*DistanceSinceLastCalc |
| 12:51.17 | Agouti | then |
| 12:51.31 | Agouti | Velocity = sqrt(2*CurrEnergy/Mass) |
| 12:52.15 | Agouti | and if you want to be extra clever |
| 12:52.35 | Agouti | the friction force is a function of the mass and some constant for the surface |
| 12:52.48 | Agouti | so heavier objects and lighter objects react differently |
| 12:54.04 | Agouti | and ofc DistanceSinceLastCalc = Velocity*TimeSinceLastCalc |
| 12:55.13 | Shawn|Rawr | Someone listened in physics |
| 12:55.23 | Shawn|Rawr | <-- this guy didnt |
| 12:55.24 | Agouti | I'm a 4th year engineering student |
| 12:55.26 | Agouti | soooo |
| 12:55.33 | Skittles | lol |
| 12:55.33 | Agouti | if I didn't know that |
| 12:55.36 | Agouti | I would be in deep shit |
| 12:55.41 | Skittles | i like figuring physics out myself |
| 12:55.44 | Skittles | so im not even reading |
| 12:55.45 | Skittles | lol |
| 12:55.57 | Shawn|Rawr | ^ more retarded than me |
| 12:56.03 | Agouti | btw, the actual definition for Work is Change In Energy |
| 12:56.14 | Agouti | or Delta Energy |
| 12:56.19 | Agouti | delta being that triangle |
| 12:56.36 | Agouti | so the 2 equations everything is worked out from are |
| 12:56.49 | Agouti | Work = change in kinetic energy = force * distance |
| 12:57.07 | Agouti | kinetic energy = .5 * mass * velocity |
| 12:57.11 | Agouti | er |
| 12:57.15 | Agouti | kinetic energy = .5 * mass * velocity^2 |
| 12:58.03 | Shawn|Rawr | Hehe.. You remind me of my physics teacher |
| 12:58.07 | Shawn|Rawr | and that damn AP test |
| 12:58.17 | Agouti | which is what makes things decelerate slower as they get slower |
| 12:58.31 | Agouti | lol |
| 12:58.45 | Agouti | and BTW |
| 12:58.51 | Agouti | mass is a unit property |
| 12:58.52 | Agouti | -.o |
| 12:59.16 | Agouti | also, can't you just like, Apply Force to Unit as a function already...? |
| 12:59.16 | Skittles | god damnit im confused |
| 12:59.18 | Agouti | or something? |
| 12:59.23 | Skittles | nvm |
| 12:59.25 | Skittles | i was kidding |
| 12:59.27 | Skittles | just kidding |
| 12:59.28 | Skittles | lol |
| 12:59.35 | Agouti | :P |
| 12:59.40 | Agouti | you know what is worse, though |
| 12:59.55 | Agouti | I was like "oh, ok, might have to explain it a different way" |
| 13:00.00 | Agouti | not even surprised :o |
| 13:01.09 | Agouti | fun fact: the force, caused by friction, is actually caused by breaking atomic bonds |
| 13:01.17 | Agouti | it's impossible to have friction without wear |
| 13:02.22 | Shawn|Rawr | Impossible to walk without it too, which I find even better |
| 13:02.30 | Agouti | yeah |
| 13:02.32 | Shawn|Rawr | Mostly because people don't believe me when I say it |
| 13:02.35 | Agouti | as I found out today |
| 13:02.46 | Agouti | when I cleaned the bath |
| 13:02.52 | Agouti | and stepped out directly onto the tiles |
| 13:03.11 | Agouti | after washing the inside of the bath with a soapy-like cleaning product |
| 13:03.16 | Shawn|Rawr | Haha! |
| 13:03.21 | Skittles | know what? |
| 13:03.27 | Skittles | I'm blow ur fucken mind in 1 minute. |
| 13:03.31 | Agouti | somehow I managed to land on my arse totally unhurt |
| 13:03.31 | Skittles | gets gun* |
| 13:03.33 | Skittles | haha jk |
| 13:03.35 | Skittles | but seriously |
| 13:03.43 | Skittles | do you know about nucelear fusion? |
| 13:03.45 | Shawn|Rawr | Does anyone know why computer players refuse to burrow when specifically told to burrow? |
| 13:03.54 | Skittles | nuclear fusion |
| 13:04.07 | Shawn|Rawr | Oh! haha |
| 13:04.08 | Skittles | no? |
| 13:04.09 | Agouti | a bit, only what we had to know in subatomic fucking shit for one of the electronics courses |
| 13:04.10 | Shawn|Rawr | I got it |
| 13:04.16 | Skittles | It turns mass into energy |
| 13:04.24 | Agouti | ya |
| 13:04.27 | Skittles | meaning |
| 13:04.28 | Agouti | directly |
| 13:04.36 | Skittles | we could turn energy into mass |
| 13:04.42 | Agouti | it happens |
| 13:04.46 | Skittles | meaning we could create a planet from energy |
| 13:04.52 | *** join/#sc2mapster nexius (~nexius@524BFD41.cm-4-4d.dynamic.ziggo.nl) |
| 13:04.53 | Agouti | just takes a fuckload of energy |
| 13:05.04 | Skittles | ? |
| 13:05.05 | Skittles | Lies. |
| 13:05.12 | Agouti | e=mc^2 |
| 13:05.15 | Skittles | It's a very tiny bit compared to what's in the universe. |
| 13:05.15 | Agouti | c is a really |
| 13:05.27 | Skittles | For instance |
| 13:05.34 | Agouti | all energy in the univers at the moment was converted from mass |
| 13:05.37 | Skittles | the biggest star we have found is 1 billion times the size of the sun |
| 13:05.56 | Agouti | where do you think the energy behind fusion comes from? |
| 13:06.04 | Agouti | it's turning mass into energy |
| 13:06.12 | Skittles | the sun has nuclear missles going off at its core 100 or 100 (forgot which) the size of the atomic bomb |
| 13:06.12 | Agouti | works the same way |
| 13:06.19 | Skittles | every second |
| 13:06.26 | Agouti | well, it's not the same as fission |
| 13:06.34 | Skittles | And what makes the fusion occur u ask? |
| 13:06.40 | Skittles | gravity |
| 13:07.00 | Agouti | it's heat and pressure, which come about because of gravity |
| 13:07.07 | Skittles | shh |
| 13:07.08 | Stewox | does anybody has like 10 or 15 minutes of time just helping me with the custom dependency , so i can make it once and for all , when i have the basis to mod then it's going to be a lot easier to add and edit stuff , ive been doing this here and there for like 4 days and i just didn't take the time to make it complete |
| 13:07.09 | Skittles | gravity |
| 13:07.29 | Skittles | gawd that's a awfully long sentence |
| 13:07.33 | Agouti | stewox: i also can helps with grammar of yours |
| 13:07.39 | Skittles | lol |
| 13:07.47 | Stewox | well do you have time or not ? |
| 13:08.07 | Agouti | time: yes..... an understanding of dependencies: no |
| 13:08.14 | Stewox | cause im asking here , small question but never made them together |
| 13:08.27 | Agouti | google? |
| 13:08.33 | Stewox | nothing there |
| 13:08.34 | Skittles | dependencies for? |
| 13:08.36 | Agouti | unless Sharn|Rawr knows |
| 13:08.49 | Agouti | I SAID |
| 13:08.49 | *** join/#sc2mapster Bibendus|AFK (~IceChat7@ip-80-67-114-201.static.adsl.cheapnet.it) |
| 13:08.50 | Agouti | unless Sharn|Rawr knows |
| 13:08.55 | Agouti | oh |
| 13:08.59 | Agouti | unless Shawn|Rawr knows |
| 13:09.03 | Shawn|Rawr | Haha there ya go |
| 13:09.05 | Stewox | there's nothing about mods |
| 13:09.14 | Shawn|Rawr | Sharn is a funny name |
| 13:09.16 | Stewox | nobody's making mods for SC2 , it's only map mods |
| 13:09.25 | Skittles | That's my uncles name u bastard. |
| 13:09.28 | Skittles | lo |
| 13:09.32 | Stewox | the small maps you upload , that doesn't help me ... |
| 13:09.46 | Agouti | if google doesn't know |
| 13:09.51 | Agouti | you must find out for yourself |
| 13:09.51 | Shawn|Rawr | ~seen onetow |
| 13:09.57 | purl | i haven't seen 'onetow', Shawn|Rawr |
| 13:09.57 | Agouti | the hard way |
| 13:09.58 | Shawn|Rawr | ~seen onetwo |
| 13:09.58 | purl | onetwo <ae070b69@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.7.11.105> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 1d 3h 6m 48s ago, saying: 'what'. |
| 13:10.03 | Stewox | ive been doing the hardway anyways |
| 13:10.05 | Agouti | what? |
| 13:10.10 | Agouti | ;p; |
| 13:10.12 | Agouti | lol |
| 13:10.21 | Agouti | well when you work it out |
| 13:10.24 | Agouti | make sure to tell google |
| 13:10.30 | Agouti | so other people don't have to :P |
| 13:10.42 | Stewox | if i did |
| 13:10.47 | Stewox | i would make a tutorial out of it , |
| 13:10.55 | Stewox | but im not getting it done my self in the first place |
| 13:10.56 | Agouti | that would be a very nice thing to do |
| 13:11.00 | Agouti | oh :( |
| 13:11.08 | Agouti | I need to find out at some point |
| 13:11.17 | Agouti | I'm sure I ahve seen it in google somewhere |
| 13:11.46 | Agouti | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/tutorials/15317-tutorial-creating-a-sc2-mod-file-for-custom-data-edits/ ? |
| 13:11.52 | Stewox | i know how to use the internet , do you think i have an OEM pc .... but this is a different situation |
| 13:12.15 | Stewox | OFCOURSe |
| 13:12.16 | Stewox | THANKS |
| 13:12.19 | Stewox | EXACTLY |
| 13:12.21 | Stewox | ... |
| 13:12.28 | Agouti | ok, be like that than |
| 13:12.34 | Agouti | you can of course go fuck yourself |
| 13:12.37 | Stewox | and that is what i did my self but it took me ... |
| 13:12.44 | Stewox | that's the full tutorial |
| 13:12.52 | Stewox | but i did the first part i see |
| 13:12.54 | Stewox | you know |
| 13:13.01 | Stewox | google doesn't find everything .... |
| 13:13.03 | Agouti | no, I was merely trying to help |
| 13:13.08 | Agouti | and you were a rude cunt about it |
| 13:13.11 | Agouti | so you can blow me |
| 13:13.18 | Stewox | rude ? |
| 13:13.23 | Stewox | where |
| 13:13.27 | Agouti | <Stewox> i know how to use the internet , do you think i have an OEM pc .... but this is a different situation |
| 13:13.28 | Agouti | <Stewox> OFCOURSe |
| 13:13.28 | Agouti | <Stewox> THANKS |
| 13:13.28 | Agouti | <Stewox> EXACTLY |
| 13:13.28 | Agouti | <Stewox> ... |
| 13:13.44 | Agouti | not being rude would have been to say |
| 13:13.53 | Agouti | "I already followed that, didn't help" |
| 13:13.57 | Stewox | im not english anyways so , sorry i didn't know how it sounded |
| 13:14.44 | Agouti | ok, then, I don't think I understand what you are trying to do |
| 13:14.57 | Stewox | okay so you have time then |
| 13:15.06 | Agouti | I said I did |
| 13:15.08 | Stewox | here , im going to take some pics |
| 13:15.19 | Shawn|Rawr | I don't want any nudes |
| 13:17.04 | Agouti | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/data/13015-save-map-as-mod-issue/?post=5 ? |
| 13:17.49 | Skittles | lol added friction |
| 13:17.52 | Agouti | also |
| 13:17.54 | Skittles | and can't even tell the difference |
| 13:17.57 | Agouti | according to the forum |
| 13:17.59 | Agouti | you cannot use imported files in a mod through a map. these files need to be imported into the map if you want to use them |
| 13:17.59 | Agouti | blizzard have said they are trying to fix this. |
| 13:18.16 | Agouti | from 2nd of november |
| 13:19.27 | Skittles | anyway |
| 13:19.28 | Skittles | waaaaaaaaaah |
| 13:19.32 | Skittles | u can't even tell! |
| 13:19.33 | Skittles | =( |
| 13:20.40 | Agouti | did you make sure to include |
| 13:20.44 | Stewox | still working on it ..... |
| 13:20.45 | Agouti | the squareroot |
| 13:21.04 | Agouti | another copy paste from forums, stewox: |
| 13:21.05 | Agouti | found a detour. ie. if you create a model pack mod, you must ceate your units within that said model pack. like say.. load a new model for the zealot, set the new model for the zealot within the mod itself. then it will automatically override the zealot's model in the map file. still, the model won't show up in the list of the map, but it will show you that it loads the model from the mod that is set as a dependacy |
| 13:21.39 | Agouti | e.g. if it's a model pack mod you need to include the unit data in the mod as well |
| 13:21.42 | Skittles | didn't use w/e u pasted |
| 13:22.02 | Agouti | which I take to mean that everything a unit uses must be within the 1 file |
| 13:22.31 | Agouti | sadly I have never done it so I can't help beyond what I can find on the internet |
| 13:23.12 | Stewox | yes im copying all the existing code(Data) for the mod , not only changes , that's why im not using editor , i need to make it via manually mpq old fashioned (which works the best at least in this case) ... as i have some knowledge basics i know you just cant rush in for a TC mod |
| 13:23.32 | Stewox | i'll show it to make clearer for everyone , as many have said they have no idea what im trying to do |
| 13:23.35 | Skittles | crap im not sure if i did it right actually |
| 13:23.48 | Skittles | i mean |
| 13:23.50 | Skittles | i think i did... |
| 13:23.52 | Skittles | but.. |
| 13:23.54 | Skittles | im confused. |
| 13:23.56 | Skittles | lol |
| 13:24.00 | Agouti | pastebin skittles |
| 13:24.01 | Agouti | :) |
| 13:24.03 | Skittles | he should get rather slow |
| 13:24.07 | Skittles | b4 stopping right? |
| 13:24.15 | Agouti | purl: what are skittles |
| 13:24.16 | purl | Agouti: I think you lost me on that one |
| 13:24.27 | Agouti | yes |
| 13:24.41 | Shawn|Rawr | purl skittles is the most delicious porn addict on the net |
| 13:24.41 | purl | okay, Shawn|Rawr |
| 13:24.44 | Agouti | the units acceleration should be proportional to it's speed |
| 13:24.54 | Skittles | im naughty and sweet <3 |
| 13:24.54 | Agouti | sif |
| 13:25.02 | Agouti | skittles are pooped by unicorns |
| 13:25.08 | Skittles | http://pastebin.com/uPddQVeR |
| 13:25.12 | Agouti | purl: what are unicorns |
| 13:25.13 | purl | Agouti: I think you lost me on that one |
| 13:25.13 | Shawn|Rawr | you have to say purl first |
| 13:25.25 | Agouti | it's too late shawn |
| 13:25.28 | Agouti | you already se it |
| 13:25.31 | Agouti | *set |
| 13:25.36 | Shawn|Rawr | purl forget skittles |
| 13:25.36 | purl | i forgot skittles, Shawn|Rawr |
| 13:25.44 | Agouti | :D |
| 13:25.45 | Shawn|Rawr | purl what is skittles? |
| 13:25.46 | purl | Shawn|Rawr: I think you lost me on that one |
| 13:25.50 | Shawn|Rawr | Done |
| 13:25.56 | Agouti | purl skittles are pooped by unicorns |
| 13:25.56 | purl | Agouti: okay |
| 13:25.59 | Agouti | :D |
| 13:26.05 | Agouti | purl, what are skittles |
| 13:26.06 | purl | Agouti: what are you talking about? |
| 13:26.16 | Agouti | purl: what are skittles |
| 13:26.17 | purl | Agouti: I think you lost me on that one |
| 13:26.19 | Shawn|Rawr | purl what is skittles |
| 13:26.20 | purl | skittles are pooped by unicorns |
| 13:26.24 | Skittles | 0.0 |
| 13:26.31 | Skittles | Racist bastards. |
| 13:26.53 | Agouti | http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e245/ASSAIL/gif_thats_racist.gif |
| 13:27.14 | Skittles | lol wtf |
| 13:27.24 | Agouti | THATS RACIST. |
| 13:27.51 | Shawn|Rawr | ROAR |
| 13:27.57 | Agouti | RAAAWWWR |
| 13:28.01 | Agouti | snarl |
| 13:28.11 | Skittles | so what's wrong with my thingy agouti!? |
| 13:28.13 | Skittles | huuuuuuuuuuuu |
| 13:29.14 | Agouti | I would say |
| 13:29.16 | Agouti | skittles |
| 13:29.19 | Agouti | it is totally wrong |
| 13:29.26 | Skittles | that's a lie |
| 13:29.30 | Skittles | ur face is totally wrong |
| 13:29.41 | Skittles | also u gave me the wrong formula! |
| 13:29.45 | Skittles | friction has d and t |
| 13:29.54 | Skittles | meaning I could of figured it out from that! |
| 13:30.08 | Skittles | what's m tho? |
| 13:30.15 | Skittles | mass |
| 13:30.16 | Skittles | duh |
| 13:30.17 | Skittles | lol |
| 13:30.31 | Agouti | you want to get the energy |
| 13:30.34 | Agouti | from the distance |
| 13:30.39 | Agouti | it involves integration |
| 13:30.40 | Skittles | I don't want the fucken energy |
| 13:30.42 | Skittles | it means nothing to me |
| 13:30.50 | Skittles | look, this is how i did it b4 |
| 13:30.53 | Agouti | it's the whole basis of the equation! |
| 13:30.54 | Agouti | w/e |
| 13:31.01 | Skittles | my action definition parameter is this: |
| 13:31.04 | Skittles | distance unit time |
| 13:31.05 | Agouti | don't care |
| 13:31.06 | Agouti | shh |
| 13:31.08 | Skittles | u do |
| 13:31.10 | Skittles | u do care! |
| 13:31.11 | Agouti | nup |
| 13:31.14 | Agouti | do not |
| 13:31.15 | Skittles | <3 |
| 13:31.17 | Skittles | care do! |
| 13:31.19 | Agouti | ^__^ |
| 13:31.22 | Agouti | oo |
| 13:31.23 | Agouti | care-do |
| 13:31.24 | Skittles | anyway |
| 13:31.29 | Agouti | sounds like a hippy martial art |
| 13:31.36 | Skittles | distance * friction |
| 13:31.42 | Agouti | which is energy |
| 13:31.44 | Agouti | FYI |
| 13:31.50 | Agouti | *change in energy |
| 13:31.52 | Skittles | is how much distance u would need with the friciton to get the enetered distance |
| 13:31.59 | Agouti | nope |
| 13:32.04 | Skittles | is to... |
| 13:32.06 | Agouti | isn't |
| 13:32.14 | Skittles | or else my unit would come up short or to far... |
| 13:32.18 | Skittles | and it don't |
| 13:32.23 | Skittles | anyway |
| 13:32.47 | Skittles | took Distance With Friction - Distance Wanted |
| 13:32.59 | Skittles | then times that by .05 |
| 13:33.05 | Skittles | and subtracted it after each movement |
| 13:33.17 | Skittles | so it decreased little by little until it got to the ideal distance |
| 13:33.19 | A1win | what the hell is wrong with the forum software :I just wrote like 200 words of edit to a post and pressed preview, it showed the text as if I had posted it but the edit box was gone, and when I pressed edit again, my edit was gone |
| 13:33.32 | Agouti | ok |
| 13:33.35 | Agouti | skittles |
| 13:33.40 | Agouti | the important thing here |
| 13:33.42 | Skittles | no clue alwin |
| 13:33.49 | Bibendus|AFK | I almost did it :| |
| 13:33.57 | Agouti | is that the acceleration of the unit is proportional to it's current speed |
| 13:34.04 | Skittles | almost isn't good enuf! |
| 13:34.06 | Agouti | do that |
| 13:34.13 | Agouti | and it will look real enough |
| 13:34.15 | Bibendus | almost sucks! |
| 13:34.21 | Skittles | wait what? |
| 13:34.28 | Agouti | the acceleration |
| 13:34.34 | Agouti | or deceleration |
| 13:34.38 | Agouti | being the same thing |
| 13:34.42 | Agouti | is proportional |
| 13:34.46 | Agouti | to it's current speed |
| 13:34.51 | Agouti | so the slower it goes |
| 13:34.58 | Agouti | the slower it decelerates |
| 13:35.07 | Skittles | AW shit |
| 13:35.13 | Skittles | damnit |
| 13:35.20 | Skittles | that's what's off Xd |
| 13:35.34 | Agouti | I knew if I simplified it enough you'd get it >:P |
| 13:35.39 | Skittles | while the speed changes it changes constantly when it shouldn't be Xd |
| 13:35.47 | Skittles | my sentence was more simplistic! |
| 13:35.55 | Agouti | but made less sense |
| 13:36.04 | Skittles | Does not matter in the slightest! |
| 13:36.12 | Skittles | What u trying to do anyway bib |
| 13:36.31 | Agouti | eat without making a mess on his shirt |
| 13:36.32 | Agouti | I think |
| 13:36.44 | Skittles | og gotcha |
| 13:38.17 | Shawn|Rawr | My new map is awesome! |
| 13:38.35 | Shawn|Rawr | Actually, all of my maps are incredibly simplistic |
| 13:38.39 | Shawn|Rawr | But I love them anyway |
| 13:39.16 | Agouti | shawn: the best things ARE simplistic |
| 13:39.23 | Agouti | I am a huge fan of elegant simplicity |
| 13:39.29 | Agouti | all the gameplay minus all the fluff |
| 13:39.43 | Agouti | pity ID is so bloated :c |
| 13:39.50 | Shawn|Rawr | It's just a basic melee 4 player vs preset AI base |
| 13:39.58 | Shawn|Rawr | With waves |
| 13:40.04 | Skittles | dude |
| 13:40.06 | Skittles | i just broke math |
| 13:40.07 | Skittles | !! |
| 13:40.11 | Shawn|Rawr | And you have 5 minutes to kill each preset base or you lose |
| 13:40.14 | Shawn|Rawr | :D |
| 13:40.17 | Agouti | did you divide by 0... if so, run. |
| 13:40.23 | Skittles | nope |
| 13:40.23 | Stewox | ago |
| 13:40.25 | Stewox | now |
| 13:40.25 | Skittles | but check this out |
| 13:40.29 | Stewox | here it is |
| 13:40.30 | Stewox | http://www.shrani.si/?31/o4/2yuVqBqY/custommodmpqroot.png |
| 13:40.43 | Skittles | F =d/dt *v |
| 13:40.46 | Stewox | after you linked me to the tut |
| 13:40.46 | Agouti | Siberia? |
| 13:40.53 | Skittles | t = 1 d = 4 |
| 13:41.03 | Skittles | fuck |
| 13:41.07 | Stewox | it was all clear to me , i knew i forogot something in the nondependency mod root |
| 13:41.09 | Skittles | I broke my stupidity just now |
| 13:41.48 | Skittles | NOOOOOOOOOO I STILL BROKE MATH! |
| 13:42.00 | Skittles | F/v |
| 13:42.04 | Skittles | *dt |
| 13:42.10 | Agouti | stewox: so you got it all working? |
| 13:42.12 | Skittles | so |
| 13:42.21 | Skittles | F/4 |
| 13:42.23 | Skittles | *4 |
| 13:42.27 | Skittles | = F |
| 13:42.33 | Skittles | F= d |
| 13:42.39 | Skittles | d was 4 |
| 13:42.39 | Agouti | skittles, try this |
| 13:42.42 | Skittles | so friction is 4 |
| 13:42.43 | Agouti | try this |
| 13:42.45 | Agouti | SKITTLES |
| 13:42.47 | Skittles | !!! |
| 13:43.06 | Agouti | inside the loop |
| 13:43.13 | Agouti | acceleration = SOMECONSTANT * speed |
| 13:43.21 | Skittles | i think this is just the wrogn equation |
| 13:43.39 | Stewox | but ,,, i have a little question |
| 13:43.49 | Agouti | speed = speed - acceleration * 0.05 |
| 13:43.49 | Skittles | WAIT |
| 13:43.56 | Skittles | I had it right alll along |
| 13:43.57 | Skittles | u fool |
| 13:43.58 | Agouti | distance = distance + 0.05 * speed |
| 13:44.02 | Agouti | NOU |
| 13:44.02 | Skittles | Distance changed in the equation |
| 13:44.07 | Skittles | so it was always decelerating |
| 13:44.16 | Skittles | !!!!!!!!! |
| 13:44.20 | Skittles | I'm a genius |
| 13:45.19 | Skittles | uh |
| 13:45.37 | Agouti | well, for a given definition of genius |
| 13:45.40 | Agouti | sure, why not :) |
| 13:46.28 | Shawn|Rawr | I love how simple it is to make starting AI |
| 13:46.40 | Shawn|Rawr | Well, not really AI, more like me telling them what to do |
| 13:46.46 | Stewox | anyways , does anybody have idea if map scripts are easily transerable to a mod file , so i won't need to make the scripts all over again for the each map , but i need to make it inside a map because im developing it so i need a testbed which is a map of course |
| 13:46.47 | Skittles | IM SO CONFUSED! |
| 13:46.57 | Stewox | scripts = triggers |
| 13:47.12 | Skittles | i put 6 friction |
| 13:47.16 | Skittles | or |
| 13:47.19 | Skittles | uh |
| 13:47.27 | Skittles | 5 friction i guess |
| 13:47.29 | Skittles | uh |
| 13:47.30 | Skittles | Xd |
| 13:47.33 | Skittles | so confused! |
| 13:47.50 | Agouti | stewox: sadly I don't know :( |
| 13:48.46 | Agouti | skittles: just do what I said |
| 13:48.55 | Agouti | acceleration = SOMECONSTANT * speed |
| 13:48.56 | Skittles | uh |
| 13:48.59 | Agouti | speed = speed - acceleration * 0.05 |
| 13:48.59 | Skittles | eh |
| 13:49.12 | Agouti | gives up |
| 13:49.22 | Agouti | I want to finish these feature before I go to bed |
| 13:50.05 | Stewox | so |
| 13:50.09 | Stewox | what are you trying to do |
| 13:50.18 | Stewox | give me the math and i'll try it |
| 13:50.41 | Stewox | did you solve it already ? |
| 13:51.01 | Skittles | wtf is speed? |
| 13:51.03 | Skittles | velocity u mean? |
| 13:51.06 | Skittles | gawd |
| 13:52.24 | Agouti | stewox: he is just trying to do physics, sliding to a stop |
| 13:52.37 | Skittles | lol |
| 13:52.56 | Skittles | ? sliding to a stop? i did that a long time ago |
| 13:53.14 | Agouti | @__@ |
| 13:53.18 | Agouti | then wtf |
| 13:53.20 | Agouti | are |
| 13:53.24 | Agouti | oh I don't even care |
| 13:53.27 | Agouti | anymore |
| 13:53.28 | Skittles | ... |
| 13:53.28 | Agouti | sorry |
| 13:53.40 | Skittles | my unit just flew across the map cause of what u told me to do tho! |
| 13:54.01 | Stewox | tell me what are you trying to do |
| 13:54.05 | Stewox | let me try it |
| 13:54.06 | Skittles | i wanted to give the parameters of time hero and distance |
| 13:54.14 | Skittles | distance he ends up at on final result |
| 13:55.01 | Stewox | what about just telling me all the parameters and what exactly you're working with ... then what you need him to do |
| 13:55.05 | Skittles | that's what i wanted to do b4 i got bullied =( |
| 13:55.16 | Stewox | it's more of a .... "if i understand what you want to do" then i can help |
| 13:55.34 | Stewox | what's bullied ? |
| 13:55.36 | Skittles | knock back ofc |
| 13:55.51 | Skittles | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:56.01 | Skittles | distance he ends up going |
| 13:56.27 | Stewox | hmm what about a screenshot of your code ? |
| 13:56.37 | Skittles | nah |
| 13:56.44 | Skittles | my code is gone now |
| 13:56.58 | Skittles | agouti made me do it his way and now the unit just goes bye bye |
| 13:57.13 | Stewox | so this is in data or triggers ? |
| 13:57.26 | Agouti | then you have the unit accelerating instead of decelerating |
| 13:57.36 | Agouti | speed = speed MINUS acceleration |
| 13:57.38 | Skittles | ? |
| 13:57.41 | Agouti | so speed gets smaller |
| 13:57.43 | Agouti | not bigger |
| 13:57.45 | Skittles | yep |
| 13:57.53 | Stewox | you just need to show the code your working with , then we can look deeper |
| 13:57.59 | Agouti | and acceleration = ? |
| 13:58.07 | Agouti | just let stewox fix it |
| 13:58.33 | Bibendus | HAIL TO THE KING BABY |
| 13:58.47 | Skittles | LALAL |
| 13:58.56 | Stewox | i don't understand how somebody can help if we don't even know where oour are working with what and .... screenshot plz |
| 13:58.59 | Skittles | oh caps was on |
| 13:59.03 | Stewox | yeah DNF is coming :D |
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| 13:59.04 | Skittles | 1 sec.. |
| 13:59.15 | Bibendus | the king is here |
| 13:59.20 | Skittles | agouti had code =( |
| 13:59.21 | Bibendus | and he need caps |
| 13:59.29 | Bibendus | cuz he pwned the room buildingz |
| 13:59.56 | Stewox | any news bibendus ? you made a loud roar |
| 13:59.59 | Skittles | lol |
| 14:00.05 | Bibendus | uploading screen |
| 14:00.27 | Agouti | abfug oobda rucjhow |
| 14:01.20 | Stewox | skittles , you need to know the basics of problem solving , you need to provide as much info as you can , what , how , where , when , if , then , ..... data or triggers is the first question |
| 14:01.38 | Skittles | yeah. |
| 14:01.57 | Bibendus | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/project-workplace/15581-hive-keeper-dungeon-keeper-mod/?page=5#p100 |
| 14:01.58 | Skittles | i stopped trusting mankind |
| 14:01.59 | Bibendus | here is the king |
| 14:01.59 | Stewox | and exactly the place where you are looking your self , nobody knows everynt on mind |
| 14:02.13 | Skittles | http://pastebin.com/CvsxnLn5 |
| 14:02.46 | Stewox | what's that about DNF bibendus ? |
| 14:02.51 | Bibendus | dnwhat? |
| 14:03.05 | Skittles | bi why is the map so small? =( |
| 14:03.06 | Stewox | hail to the king bayb |
| 14:03.08 | Stewox | you said |
| 14:03.14 | Bibendus | for testing purpose |
| 14:03.26 | Bibendus | i can change the size changing 2 variables |
| 14:03.27 | Bibendus | :P |
| 14:03.43 | Bibendus | hail to the king Bibe |
| 14:03.45 | Bibendus | omg xD |
| 14:03.47 | Bibendus | that rocks |
| 14:04.16 | Bibendus | so dont u like it? |
| 14:04.17 | Skittles | size of what? |
| 14:04.23 | Skittles | what am i looking at |
| 14:04.24 | Skittles | lol |
| 14:04.33 | Bibendus | i detect automatically the best efficiency on room workstations placing |
| 14:04.42 | Bibendus | its dungoen keeper |
| 14:05.04 | Skittles | yeah |
| 14:05.07 | Skittles | i knew this |
| 14:05.38 | Agouti | dungeon keeper is an awesome game |
| 14:05.42 | Skittles | oh gotcha |
| 14:05.44 | Agouti | this will be an awesome map |
| 14:05.48 | Skittles | what's hatchery holes tho |
| 14:05.55 | Agouti | as agouti says, so shall it be |
| 14:06.00 | Skittles | http://pastebin.com/CvsxnLn5 |
| 14:06.29 | Slaydon | GUYS, when i write in a custom script and shall correct stuff, it overlaps the letter in front of it, what is the hotkey to toggle this? |
| 14:06.30 | Bibendus | http://pcmedia.ign.com/media/reviews/image/dungeonkeeper2005.jpg |
| 14:06.35 | Stewox | skittles |
| 14:06.40 | Skittles | mmm |
| 14:06.48 | Stewox | the correction is from agouti ? |
| 14:06.58 | Skittles | what correction? |
| 14:07.07 | Agouti | i did not correct |
| 14:07.14 | Agouti | unless by accident |
| 14:07.23 | Skittles | acceleration times velocity |
| 14:07.32 | Skittles | and something |
| 14:07.36 | Skittles | is all he told me |
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| 14:08.08 | Bibendus | did u see the original hatchery |
| 14:08.09 | Bibendus | ? |
| 14:08.09 | Stewox | bibendus ... you said hail to the king baby , that's about duke nukem forever , then you talked about something from SC2 , so i don't see the conection , i think you said that in a different context then |
| 14:08.20 | Bibendus | its just cuz i m cool |
| 14:08.27 | Bibendus | then i said hail to the king (me) baby |
| 14:08.33 | Bibendus | refering to duke nukem |
| 14:08.37 | Bibendus | cuz i m cool like him |
| 14:08.40 | Bibendus | :D |
| 14:08.57 | Skittles | yeah just check out bibendus's bulging muscles on his avatar |
| 14:09.00 | Stewox | ah , i thought there was some new news ;) |
| 14:09.05 | Bibendus | yep |
| 14:09.09 | Stewox | skittles |
| 14:09.10 | Bibendus | they are cutted from the photo |
| 14:09.13 | Stewox | patebin has correction |
| 14:09.14 | Bibendus | but i m full of muscles |
| 14:09.14 | Bibendus | xD |
| 14:09.22 | Skittles | ? |
| 14:09.38 | Skittles | oh |
| 14:09.48 | Stewox | i see 2 parts of it |
| 14:09.56 | Stewox | one with the nubmers of lines and one without |
| 14:10.03 | Stewox | i guess this is norma, my mistake |
| 14:10.14 | Stewox | normal* ... forgot . |
| 14:10.40 | Bibendus | goin to buy something |
| 14:10.42 | Bibendus | bye :D |
| 14:10.54 | Bibendus | hail to the bibe, baby |
| 14:11.13 | Skittles | don't c anything different stew? |
| 14:11.34 | Skittles | oh |
| 14:11.36 | Skittles | yeah that's normal |
| 14:12.51 | Bibendus | cuz hes blind |
| 14:12.53 | Bibendus | thats normal |
| 14:12.54 | Stewox | so what do you need to do |
| 14:13.09 | Stewox | on which point does the script make error ? |
| 14:13.24 | Stewox | if any ? |
| 14:13.27 | Skittles | doesn't make an error |
| 14:13.31 | Stewox | ok |
| 14:13.38 | Skittles | was just adding deceleration (friction) into the knockback |
| 14:13.45 | Stewox | what is wrong with the current result |
| 14:13.56 | Skittles | unit accelerates instead |
| 14:14.09 | Stewox | and what do you want to do it instead of friction ? |
| 14:14.17 | Stewox | or just disable friction ? |
| 14:14.30 | Skittles | ? |
| 14:14.38 | Stewox | you want to replace friction with anything , make it from negative ot positive ? |
| 14:14.42 | Skittles | im adding friction? |
| 14:14.50 | Stewox | im asking you :) |
| 14:14.58 | Skittles | I'm confused.. |
| 14:15.02 | Stewox | well that's what you said |
| 14:15.08 | Skittles | I'm adding friction is all i said |
| 14:15.25 | Stewox | you said it's deaccelarating because you added friction , |
| 14:15.35 | Stewox | and im asking you if you want to disable friction |
| 14:15.42 | Skittles | I said i'm trying to make it deccelarate but it's accelerating |
| 14:15.53 | Skittles | no |
| 14:15.57 | Stewox | or do you want this friction to be converted to a positive (that would be weird) , you just want to disable it |
| 14:16.15 | Skittles | Why would I add friction so that I could disable it... |
| 14:16.38 | Stewox | well you're saying in a wrong context, friction means it will deaccelarate |
| 14:16.46 | Skittles | yeah? |
| 14:17.02 | Stewox | friction makes deacceleration of course |
| 14:17.04 | Skittles | You asked me what's wrong with it as is, and it's accelerating instead... |
| 14:17.12 | Skittles | had friction in parenthesis... |
| 14:17.25 | Stewox | so now , it is accelerating .... |
| 14:17.31 | Stewox | you want it to deaccelerate |
| 14:17.37 | Skittles | yeah |
| 14:18.06 | Stewox | yeah , so your not using friction now then , your probably using inverzion of friction :) |
| 14:18.33 | Stewox | that's why it's accelerating , the ploarities are turned around |
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| 14:18.43 | Stewox | i'll take a look at it now |
| 14:20.19 | Stewox | what is Nf |
| 14:20.26 | Skittles | friction |
| 14:20.47 | Skittles | used nf = .2 and nf = 1.2 for testing sake |
| 14:21.20 | Stewox | okay , now , what does this code apply to |
| 14:21.38 | Stewox | to a hero that's been ... affected from this effect , so it's slowed down for a period of time ? |
| 14:21.39 | Skittles | knockback after a unit is hit |
| 14:21.44 | Stewox | ah okay |
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| 14:25.18 | Stewox | do you have condition definition or basic trigger ? |
| 14:25.41 | Slaydon | PLEASE! Whenever i write in the editor, it overlaps the letter infront of it, how to fix? |
| 14:25.51 | A1win | Slaydon, press Insert :p |
| 14:25.57 | Skittles | yeah lol :p |
| 14:25.59 | A1win | on your keyboard :P |
| 14:26.05 | Slaydon | A1win <3. |
| 14:26.12 | Skittles | action definition |
| 14:26.19 | Skittles | and stew nvm i fixed it myself |
| 14:26.33 | A1win | Slaydon, that's the standard function of the Insert key :P |
| 14:26.39 | Stewox | i see action definition now yeah |
| 14:26.41 | Stewox | what fixed |
| 14:26.44 | Stewox | what did you do ? |
| 14:26.56 | Stewox | it was just match problem in polarity |
| 14:27.01 | Stewox | but what exactly |
| 14:27.03 | Slaydon | A1win, I hate when i accidently press buttons that wont no good D: |
| 14:27.07 | A1win | :x |
| 14:27.25 | A1win | I don't even have insert in my keyboard, just a big delete key xD (well I do in numpad) |
| 14:27.36 | A1win | a bit annoying in games that use it as a hotkey |
| 14:27.52 | A1win | like I can only rotate camera one way in SC2 :P not that I'd use that feature anyway |
| 14:28.21 | Slaydon | ;P |
| 14:29.36 | Skittles | i lied i didn't fix it |
| 14:29.41 | Skittles | but i know how to |
| 14:29.56 | Skittles | but uh |
| 14:29.56 | Skittles | yeah |
| 14:31.37 | Stewox | come on |
| 14:31.49 | Stewox | im not going to waste time if you're goofing around |
| 14:32.54 | Stewox | what do you have choosed in action options |
| 14:32.59 | Stewox | check boxes |
| 14:33.38 | Skittles | ? |
| 14:33.47 | Skittles | not sure what u mean |
| 14:33.59 | Skittles | and yeah... don't waste ur time, I just told you not to.. |
| 14:34.17 | Stewox | Create THread, Custom Script , native , operator , loop ... etc |
| 14:35.08 | Skittles | action definition |
| 14:35.12 | Skittles | oh |
| 14:35.15 | Skittles | first one only ofc |
| 14:35.25 | Skittles | wouldn't make a lick of difference about the issue either way tho.. |
| 14:36.02 | Stewox | because what you sent to pastebin is not galaxy code |
| 14:36.11 | Skittles | yeah? |
| 14:36.12 | Stewox | it's editor trigger setting output |
| 14:36.31 | Skittles | who said it was galaxy tho? @.@ |
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| 14:36.44 | Skittles | Gui is rather simplistic to read. |
| 14:37.17 | Stewox | it must be galaxy , because this is just the text output , it's not clear and it's not for use , it's harder actually |
| 14:38.02 | Stewox | i can't make a use of it , it's only for simpler fixes but i can't put it inside the editor to check and edit it |
| 14:38.12 | Skittles | yeah |
| 14:38.23 | Skittles | anyway, just call it a day. I want to figure it out myself. |
| 14:38.38 | Skittles | Thanks for the effort tho |
| 14:38.47 | Stewox | can you get the galaxy code ? , you can open script editor up there and copy , or you can save it into galaxy file and send |
| 14:38.54 | Stewox | well , i like solving stuff too |
| 14:38.58 | Skittles | Xd |
| 14:39.08 | Skittles | already edited a few things tho |
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| 14:41.07 | Stewox | in triggers editor , just click data and view scripts , then copy everything on the left and pastebin or even here in this chat if you want |
| 14:41.52 | Stewox | well , finding knockback and copying only that would be better |
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| 14:42.50 | Skittles | lol |
| 14:42.53 | Bibendus|AFK | is now away - Reason : Auto-Away after 30 minutes |
| 14:42.57 | Skittles | why the heck is view scripts under edit and not view |
| 14:43.53 | A1win | isn't it under "Data"? |
| 14:43.59 | Skittles | might be |
| 14:44.01 | Skittles | yeah |
| 14:44.01 | Skittles | was |
| 14:44.34 | Stewox | in trigger editor |
| 14:44.41 | Stewox | don't look in terrain or data ediotr |
| 14:45.04 | Skittles | http://pastebin.com/Yhr4hQsC |
| 14:45.06 | Skittles | have at it |
| 14:45.14 | Stewox | You know , the whole editor view > Triggers ; then there's the data menu |
| 14:45.18 | Stewox | oh okay |
| 14:45.30 | Skittles | deleted actor stuff and used the version without |
| 14:45.32 | Skittles | thingy |
| 14:45.33 | Skittles | in it |
| 14:45.36 | Skittles | friction |
| 14:47.12 | Stewox | hmm |
| 14:47.36 | Stewox | i see you overwritten the melee stuff or that's just i think im seeing |
| 14:47.46 | Stewox | but that doesn't matter now |
| 14:47.58 | Skittles | the init melee? |
| 14:48.00 | Skittles | deleted it for u |
| 14:48.30 | Stewox | but it works fine , doesn't crash ? |
| 14:48.33 | Stewox | for testing |
| 14:49.33 | Skittles | yeah |
| 14:49.57 | Stewox | Global Functions > bool gf_UntitledCondition001 () { } 1 Error -- expected a return value |
| 14:50.40 | Skittles | ? |
| 14:50.41 | Stewox | you don't manually delete scripts like that , .... you have to have the default melee stuff inside |
| 14:50.59 | Stewox | it's not just melee , it's triggerlibs load , |
| 14:51.00 | Skittles | what? |
| 14:51.18 | Skittles | It's fine I've deleted the melee init since wc3... |
| 14:51.22 | Skittles | never had a error or problem |
| 14:52.09 | Stewox | wait |
| 14:52.18 | Stewox | i made a mistake |
| 14:53.06 | Slaydon | man i feel so pro rite now. |
| 14:54.20 | Skittles | lol |
| 14:54.25 | Skittles | y |
| 14:55.46 | Stewox | okay |
| 14:55.48 | Stewox | now i made it |
| 14:55.51 | Stewox | no errors |
| 14:55.53 | Skittles | k |
| 14:56.12 | Stewox | now to see some of this |
| 14:56.21 | Stewox | you didn't already solve it right ? |
| 14:56.59 | Skittles | yeah |
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| 14:59.15 | Stewox | really ? |
| 15:01.24 | Skittles | maybe idk |
| 15:01.27 | Skittles | might of just |
| 15:02.55 | Stewox | so you don't care about this anymore |
| 15:04.18 | Skittles | ? |
| 15:04.22 | Skittles | I was beign serious.. |
| 15:04.23 | Skittles | being |
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| 15:05.59 | Stewox | i can't get the scripts in so they would work in UI |
| 15:06.20 | Stewox | tried to edit MapScripts.galaxy with mpq but it didn't work |
| 15:06.34 | Skittles | yeah i got it |
| 15:06.44 | Stewox | what , solved ? |
| 15:06.44 | Skittles | all good i figured it out |
| 15:06.46 | Skittles | yeah |
| 15:06.58 | Stewox | so what was wrong ? |
| 15:07.02 | Skittles | main problem was that i didn't divide by half |
| 15:07.13 | Skittles | i just redid the math completely from b4 |
| 15:07.16 | Skittles | but basicaly |
| 15:07.18 | Skittles | basically |
| 15:07.28 | Skittles | V * F |
| 15:07.54 | Skittles | V * F / 2 + V |
| 15:08.05 | Skittles | then - F every movement |
| 15:09.15 | Skittles | Anyways, thanks for the help. |
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| 15:24.41 | A1win | woo opera 11 is nice, fixed the last annoying bug it had and added tab stacking |
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| 15:25.20 | Obatztrara | hey guys |
| 15:25.30 | Skittles | opera 11? |
| 15:25.30 | Skittles | hi |
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| 15:26.43 | Vesuvius | anyone know where the actors that control building power up and power down animations usually are? |
| 15:26.50 | Vesuvius | I can find them for the gateway in the main actor |
| 15:27.10 | Vesuvius | well i can find events that refer to powering up and powering down |
| 15:27.14 | Vesuvius | and playing animations |
| 15:27.23 | Vesuvius | but I can't find them in most of the other buildings |
| 15:27.28 | Vesuvius | that obviously have the anim |
| 15:27.41 | Vesuvius | there's a sound actor that's kept separate |
| 15:30.17 | Obatztrara | well |
| 15:31.33 | Obatztrara | I just checked the first three buildings but it seems that for quite a few of the buildings theres a actor called Protoss - With Eneergy, small and Protoss - Without Energy, small ( Vesuvius) |
| 15:33.04 | Obatztrara | on a closer look...thats probably the sound actor you mentioned =/ |
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| 15:41.16 | Slaydon | This was a triumph |
| 15:41.19 | Slaydon | Im making a note here. |
| 15:41.22 | Slaydon | Huge Success. |
| 15:41.31 | Slaydon | etc.. |
| 15:41.42 | Slaydon | D: |
| 15:46.30 | Skittles | mk |
| 15:58.46 | Vail | hello folks |
| 16:03.34 | Slaydon | haii<3 |
| 16:04.22 | Vail | hm Vesuvius i too can not find the powered and unpowered actor information for several toss structures |
| 16:04.36 | Vesuvius | it's really bizarre |
| 16:04.53 | Vesuvius | I'm sure if I want to actually make a powered/unpowered thing |
| 16:04.57 | Vesuvius | i could do it using events |
| 16:05.14 | Vail | yes. |
| 16:05.19 | Vesuvius | but it would be nice to mimic the normal structure |
| 16:05.29 | Vail | absolutely |
| 16:05.31 | Vesuvius | there just doesn't seem to be one :/ |
| 16:06.06 | Vail | i know. |
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| 16:07.10 | Vesuvius | i figured out how i want to resolve that magazine issue |
| 16:07.12 | Vail | i am going to have to give the research ability to a hero unit i have |
| 16:07.24 | Vesuvius | but i'll need to create a new unit |
| 16:07.24 | Vail | Oh? |
| 16:07.34 | Vesuvius | basically, I'm going to take the placement model |
| 16:07.38 | Vesuvius | scale it up |
| 16:07.41 | Vesuvius | and call it a beacon |
| 16:07.48 | Vail | ah hah |
| 16:07.49 | Vesuvius | then have the magazine unit warp in on it |
| 16:08.06 | Vail | nice |
| 16:08.09 | Vesuvius | maybe attach something like that arc in the terran add ons |
| 16:08.13 | Vesuvius | so it looks like it has a base |
| 16:08.33 | Vail | cool |
| 16:10.56 | Slaydon | :3 |
| 16:11.11 | Slaydon | I think i just made a wow like inventory engine :3 |
| 16:11.33 | Vail | cool |
| 16:11.56 | Vail | i need to make recuirements for my suppon pet abilities |
| 16:11.58 | Vesuvius | then i can make it fire at target |
| 16:12.03 | Vesuvius | and tell the launcher to rotate |
| 16:12.07 | Vesuvius | so fire at target will actually work |
| 16:12.17 | Vesuvius | hmm |
| 16:12.24 | Vail | summon ahem |
| 16:12.25 | Vesuvius | i wonder if i could do one better than that |
| 16:12.36 | Vesuvius | and hide a dummy unit under the production structure i want to use |
| 16:14.01 | Slaydon | D: |
| 16:14.07 | Vesuvius | it's too bad the turret solution doesn't actually solve it :( |
| 16:15.30 | Slaydon | T_T |
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| 16:17.20 | burne- | hi guys |
| 16:17.31 | Bibendus | tah king is back |
| 16:17.42 | Slaydon | where? |
| 16:17.58 | Bibendus | how do you dare | |
| 16:17.58 | Bibendus | ! |
| 16:18.52 | Slaydon | bring light into your lair..? |
| 16:18.54 | Slaydon | because i cant see? |
| 16:19.40 | Bibendus | what? |
| 16:20.10 | Slaydon | D: |
| 16:20.28 | Vail | hmm BAH i reall need to figure something out |
| 16:21.44 | Slaydon | Me too. |
| 16:22.40 | Bibendus | cuz you are noooobz |
| 16:22.45 | Bibendus | not like tah king |
| 16:23.21 | Slaydon | I cant correctly manage too see what combination of integers i have in the struct, i use 18 values, and i tried to make them in 1 if, all of them, and check for the ones i am applying, like if they are 0 it is correct, but i do this with 3 different combinations. |
| 16:24.08 | Slaydon | I apply 5 of them for 1 combination, and i have saved a struct variable with all of these data's, but i dont know if it runs :b |
| 16:24.59 | Bibendus | what |
| 16:25.09 | Slaydon | you heard me. |
| 16:25.18 | Slaydon | you herd, me sheep. |
| 16:25.20 | Bibendus | ye but i didnt understand what you are going to do |
| 16:25.22 | Bibendus | with the struct |
| 16:25.27 | Bibendus | bitflag? |
| 16:25.31 | Slaydon | Its an inventory , wow inv |
| 16:25.51 | Bibendus | so you are using a struct |
| 16:25.52 | Bibendus | for each slot? |
| 16:25.57 | Slaydon | took a debug, found where the bug is ^^ |
| 16:26.01 | Slaydon | basicly, yeah. |
| 16:26.02 | Bibendus | fu |
| 16:26.04 | Bibendus | :D |
| 16:26.24 | Bibendus | then u don't need my help |
| 16:26.27 | Slaydon | I need to do it, so i can give it a behavior for per set and then edit its texture ^^ |
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| 16:29.24 | Vail | Ok King |
| 16:29.34 | Slaydon | ganon. |
| 16:30.13 | Vail | then why dont you figure out how to get a unit that spawns from the arm magazine effect to jump to the front of the unit creating it instead of coming from the back |
| 16:31.57 | Vesuvius | well it spawns in the front, but it's the front of the unit creating it's current facing |
| 16:32.05 | Vesuvius | so if that unit isn't facing the right way.. |
| 16:32.07 | Vesuvius | lol |
| 16:32.18 | Vesuvius | and turrets dont seem to help |
| 16:33.22 | Slaydon | S: |
| 16:35.29 | Slaydon | pork |
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| 16:35.46 | Bibendus | meow |
| 16:36.04 | Slaydon | lol, there appears to be a limit on how many ifs you can have inside each other................. |
| 16:36.07 | Helral | swipes at Bibendus, cause he meowed before him. |
| 16:36.11 | Helral | meows |
| 16:36.16 | Bibendus | :P |
| 16:36.21 | Bibendus | pwne |
| 16:36.25 | Bibendus | d |
| 16:37.15 | Vail | my problem is the unit created spawns 180 from the creating unit facing |
| 16:37.26 | Helral | hmmm? |
| 16:37.37 | Helral | what you using for the positioning? |
| 16:37.56 | Helral | to determine the spawn point ;p |
| 16:38.19 | Vail | there is nothing as far as i can tell |
| 16:38.52 | Helral | you can use a permanent effect, to adjust the effect target compared to the unit, that causes the effect, facing. |
| 16:40.02 | Vail | with the Arm Magazine ability? |
| 16:40.10 | PassivePicasso | Helral: done anything more with your random dungeon map? |
| 16:40.41 | Helral | PassivePicasso: about to work on it some more ;p |
| 16:41.02 | PassivePicasso | I still haven't even gotten to the first step :p |
| 16:41.06 | Helral | Vail: hmmm seems not I guess :S |
| 16:41.31 | Helral | set the Data External Angle, Vail |
| 16:41.38 | Vail | i am |
| 16:41.42 | Helral | it's at the Arm Magazine Ability. |
| 16:41.47 | Helral | did you set it to 0? |
| 16:41.51 | Vail | it still spawns from behind the hunit then walks to the front |
| 16:43.49 | Vesuvius | this is funny |
| 16:43.52 | Vesuvius | my zealot beacon unit |
| 16:44.01 | Vesuvius | since i made it by duplicating the zealot |
| 16:44.07 | Vesuvius | still has the slash animations |
| 16:44.11 | Vesuvius | when it attacks |
| 16:44.17 | Vesuvius | so when it sends its zealot out |
| 16:44.23 | Slaydon | D:! |
| 16:44.24 | Vesuvius | it's slashing like mad at thin air |
| 16:44.25 | Vesuvius | lol |
| 16:44.31 | Vesuvius | i'm tempted to keep that |
| 16:45.15 | Helral | Vail: what launch type and what External Angle have you set? |
| 16:45.38 | Vail | fire at target and external angle 0 |
| 16:45.52 | Helral | hmmm what would it do if you said spawn at source? |
| 16:45.53 | Slaydon | D:! |
| 16:45.57 | Vail | i have tried all three launch types |
| 16:46.00 | Slaydon | I ned scriptang halp |
| 16:46.13 | Helral | I assume you also tried external angle 180. |
| 16:46.29 | Vail | yes that spawns it from the back and makes it walk to the back .. |
| 16:46.41 | Vail | i have a mini thor set like that |
| 16:46.57 | Helral | hmmm wondering why you can't set a spawn distance... |
| 16:48.10 | Slaydon | Xaragoth, you there bro? |
| 16:48.24 | Slaydon | D::::::: |
| 16:48.25 | Xaragoth | Who dares? |
| 16:48.37 | Slaydon | Xaragoth, do you know if there is a limit of if |
| 16:48.42 | Slaydon | if's in custom scripts* |
| 16:48.47 | Helral | Vail: you have External flagged at the ammo unit info? |
| 16:48.55 | Slaydon | and possibly a solution? i use 18 ifs in one. |
| 16:48.55 | Vail | yes |
| 16:48.58 | Helral | no idea what that is for though ;p |
| 16:49.10 | Helral | Slaydon: why 18 if's? |
| 16:49.16 | Xaragoth | where the fuck would you need 18 if for Oo |
| 16:49.27 | Xaragoth | *what |
| 16:49.30 | Slaydon | I use 18 values i need to check, for a combination |
| 16:49.35 | Helral | use a switch |
| 16:49.47 | Helral | or bitcheck |
| 16:49.51 | Slaydon | It stops at 7 tho D: |
| 16:50.04 | Slaydon | an eck what? |
| 16:50.09 | Helral | lol |
| 16:50.19 | Helral | not sure what check you want to do. ;p |
| 16:50.40 | Helral | is it something that is set to a certain value or is it multiples set to values? |
| 16:51.21 | Slaydon | I got a struct with the values, and i check Struct.Value = Used Value in the same ID. |
| 16:51.34 | Slaydon | Its hard to explain ^^ |
| 16:51.50 | Slaydon | I would guess multiples |
| 16:52.07 | Slaydon | Its an inventory, and i check for items in slot 1 equals to the ones he is using in a loop. |
| 16:52.21 | Slaydon | If it is true, i will know the combination of items im wearing. |
| 16:53.32 | Helral | hmmm. var structNr = -1; for (var i =0; i<structsize; i++){if (mystruct[i].value == Usedvalue){structNr = i;last}} |
| 16:53.35 | Helral | or something? |
| 16:54.05 | Slaydon | I have the struct in a variable. |
| 16:54.46 | Slaydon | Helral, i make a set like this CreateItemSet( 0, 0, 0, 0, 2, 1, 0, 5, 3, 4, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0,"1", "Set1", 1); |
| 16:54.59 | Slaydon | 1-18 in values with the numbers. |
| 16:55.43 | Helral | hmmm. var valueNr = -1; for (var i =0; i<18; i++){if (mystruct.valueList[i] == Usedvalue){valueNr = i;last}} |
| 16:55.46 | Helral | that then? |
| 16:55.57 | Slaydon | Then i check all of those values with the equipped value i am using. EquippedItems[1-18] |
| 16:56.14 | Slaydon | and they stop at the seventh if. |
| 16:57.36 | Helral | well you won't need that many ifs, and you should make just an actiondef like: HasItem(structId(or whatever), EquipedId(orso), ItemId); #returns true in case the item is in the list. false if not. |
| 16:58.05 | Helral | Slaydon mind pasting your code on paste.sc2mapster or pastebin orso? |
| 16:58.13 | Helral | I'd like to see your ifstatements. |
| 16:58.19 | Slaydon | I will do, just a sec. |
| 17:01.45 | Slaydon | Helral, http://paste.sc2mapster.com/3016/ |
| 17:03.06 | Helral | why not 1 if statement? if (a==b && c==d && ...... |
| 17:03.39 | Slaydon | I can do that? :o |
| 17:03.39 | Slaydon | ;P |
| 17:03.51 | Helral | yup |
| 17:04.06 | Helral | I thought you were checking for different results each time. |
| 17:04.19 | Helral | but you either have true or false. |
| 17:04.28 | Slaydon | I do?:o |
| 17:04.35 | Slaydon | they are integers. |
| 17:04.50 | Helral | either all itemslotd match or not all of them match (true or false) |
| 17:05.13 | Slaydon | yup ^^ |
| 17:05.31 | Helral | so you only need 1 if/then/else statement. ;p |
| 17:06.01 | Helral | I don't know how galaxy takes the conditions but I'd expect it to be as I said above. |
| 17:06.25 | Bibendus | is now away - Reason : Auto-Away after 30 minutes |
| 17:07.47 | Slaydon | :P |
| 17:09.37 | Helral | btw |
| 17:10.05 | Helral | why not use validators on an unit for the set bonus? |
| 17:10.18 | Slaydon | What do you mean? |
| 17:10.30 | Slaydon | the behaviors change the units texture. |
| 17:10.59 | Helral | ow you just making it generic. |
| 17:11.13 | Helral | whenever a set is completed change texture. |
| 17:11.18 | Helral | ok then leave it so ;p |
| 17:11.21 | Slaydon | Well, making it less lines in 1 if didnt really help. |
| 17:11.43 | Slaydon | It didnt really help with my problem* but it looks cleaner. |
| 17:12.03 | Helral | then output your check |
| 17:12.07 | Helral | maybe your check is wrong ;p |
| 17:12.28 | Slaydon | It gotta be the if, when i edit the return to a constant value, it works. |
| 17:13.58 | Helral | Slaydon: when the if is correct then the values that are set inside the if are incorrect. |
| 17:14.51 | Slaydon | Helral, LOL i forgot to update the struct... I believe. |
| 17:15.05 | Helral | :P |
| 17:15.08 | Slaydon | hmm... |
| 17:15.12 | Slaydon | No wait.. |
| 17:15.50 | Helral | maybe it's just that i[1] isn't set at the start? |
| 17:15.53 | Slaydon | The struct is supposed to be constant, so... |
| 17:16.07 | Helral | try adding i[1]=0; before your while. |
| 17:16.15 | Slaydon | hmm. |
| 17:16.25 | Helral | it might be remembering the last run. |
| 17:17.15 | Slaydon | It didnt do anything, the if doesnt get true. |
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| 17:19.36 | Helral | hmm |
| 17:19.37 | Slaydon | It does look ok in the Itemsets definition and the items.. |
| 17:19.50 | Helral | you are calling ItemsInit before Init? |
| 17:20.16 | Slaydon | Yup |
| 17:20.33 | Slaydon | maybe i messed up the arrays of EquippedItems |
| 17:23.01 | Slaydon | hmm |
| 17:24.00 | Slaydon | this is really odd. |
| 17:24.42 | Slaydon | making a dummy itemset without anything |
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| 17:27.06 | Slaydon | Didnt get past with only zeros neither.. |
| 17:27.32 | Midac | anyone here know how to make a condition "player has atleast set amount of custom resources"? i tried with if then else but i can only set minerals and gas there =/ |
| 17:30.25 | Keo_ | Hey |
| 17:32.42 | Slaydon | Helral, the if must be broken, i create an itemset: CreateItemSet( 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0,"0", "Set0", 0);, then i actually set EquippedItems[1-18] to 0 when i run it, and still no debug message, yes i run it from 0-3 |
| 17:34.31 | Helral | hmm I do get output. but it crashes at the last one. |
| 17:34.54 | Slaydon | :o |
| 17:35.09 | Keo_ | I have a question |
| 17:35.16 | Helral | my result: 0,0,0,0,ERROR |
| 17:35.33 | Keo_ | I need help with custom script |
| 17:35.59 | Slaydon | Helral, i shortened it to 11, as 11 is only what i need for texture change, ima check if it works. |
| 17:36.35 | Slaydon | It does! |
| 17:37.04 | Keo_ | How do I view triggers as script? |
| 17:37.19 | Slaydon | write something buIIshit :P |
| 17:37.21 | Helral | ctrl+F11 |
| 17:37.36 | Slaydon | and then try to run it... |
| 17:37.56 | Helral | slaydon. your first array the equipped one |
| 17:38.05 | Helral | set it to 19 |
| 17:38.06 | Slaydon | Yup? |
| 17:38.09 | Helral | not 18 |
| 17:38.16 | Helral | you're using 19 indexes not 18 |
| 17:38.22 | Slaydon | I am? |
| 17:38.25 | Helral | 0-18 = 19 |
| 17:38.39 | Helral | you just leave the first one (0) empty. |
| 17:38.46 | Slaydon | (facepalm) |
| 17:38.53 | Helral | double facepalm :) |
| 17:38.53 | Slaydon | wait... |
| 17:39.12 | Slaydon | I use 1-18 |
| 17:39.21 | Helral | you just leave the first one (0) empty. <------- |
| 17:39.34 | Helral | an array always starts at 0. |
| 17:39.42 | Slaydon | Well, i start it at 1- |
| 17:39.43 | Slaydon | 1. |
| 17:39.48 | Helral | even though blizzard adds +1 in the GUI |
| 17:39.57 | Slaydon | aha. |
| 17:39.59 | Slaydon | I see. |
| 17:40.16 | Helral | in the gui Array[18] = in script Array[19] |
| 17:40.24 | Slaydon | lol. |
| 17:40.33 | Keo_ | ty helral |
| 17:41.45 | Slaydon | testlul |
| 17:42.14 | Helral | meow? |
| 17:42.20 | Slaydon | rawr. |
| 17:42.37 | Helral | shawn|rawr isn't here Slaydon. |
| 17:43.22 | Slaydon | -.- |
| 17:43.33 | Helral | meows |
| 17:43.43 | Slaydon | Well, helral, It still doesnt support whilst equippeditems are up. |
| 17:44.02 | Helral | hmmmm? |
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| 17:44.39 | Slaydon | whilst they are a value |
| 17:44.49 | Helral | they are a value for me |
| 17:45.18 | Slaydon | Well, they dont get past the if for me whilst they are a value, do i need to change the if? |
| 17:46.16 | Slaydon | NOoOOOooooo |
| 17:46.40 | Slaydon | CLEAR |
| 17:46.52 | Slaydon | Electrocutes Helral back to life |
| 17:46.59 | Slaydon | CLEAR |
| 17:47.04 | Slaydon | does it again... |
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| 17:47.32 | Slaydon | Sevenix, we didnt ask for you to come back, its Helral we want D: |
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| 17:47.36 | Slaydon | YAY |
| 17:47.43 | Slaydon | i electrocuted you back to life. |
| 17:48.16 | Helral | Slaydon: http://paste.sc2mapster.com/3017/ |
| 17:48.18 | Slaydon | Helral, when i equip my five items, they wont get past the loop, if everything is zero it will |
| 17:48.48 | Helral | that's if I'm correct what you have for code now. |
| 17:48.57 | Helral | except ofcourse my prefix of sl_ ;p |
| 17:49.02 | Helral | at the Init. |
| 17:50.03 | Slaydon | Helral, i <3 you. |
| 17:50.39 | Helral | meow? |
| 17:50.49 | Slaydon | meows before helral. |
| 17:51.39 | Helral | swipes at Slaydon. |
| 17:51.43 | Helral | no meowing before me :) |
| 17:51.44 | Helral | meows |
| 17:51.53 | Slaydon | meows an hour afterwards. |
| 17:52.36 | Slaydon | Gosh darnit, why does my grammar fail so much. |
| 17:52.40 | Slaydon | LATER |
| 17:52.54 | Helral | swipes at Slaydon who sits before him. |
| 17:52.57 | Helral | ;p |
| 17:53.56 | Slaydon | Now i just need to create the inventory interface.. yay. |
| 17:54.04 | Slaydon | and import more textures. |
| 17:55.39 | Slaydon | 22 textures to be excact. |
| 17:55.49 | Slaydon | accurate* |
| 17:55.56 | Slaydon | no wait |
| 17:56.05 | Slaydon | -.-' |
| 17:56.21 | Helral | exactly 22 textures? |
| 17:56.55 | Slaydon | Excactly ^^ |
| 17:57.41 | Slaydon | I feel like my grammar fails badly when im on internet, but i got an A in english :l |
| 17:58.09 | Helral | you also have your B and C's? |
| 17:58.26 | Slaydon | Not in english.... teehee. |
| 17:58.40 | Helral | roflol |
| 18:00.54 | Slaydon | brb. |
| 18:05.22 | Keo_ | where is the MeleeInitResources(); function? |
| 18:06.35 | Slaydon | bk |
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| 18:09.19 | Slaydon | 3: |
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| 18:59.29 | RodOfNOD | weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
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| 19:06.26 | Alf__ | very quiet right now |
| 19:06.32 | Alf__ | prob still evenin |
| 19:07.01 | Vesuvius | evening? |
| 19:07.12 | Vesuvius | it's not even afternnon yet here |
| 19:07.24 | Vesuvius | and in europe it's like 7 pm |
| 19:07.29 | Alf__ | not everyone is from europe |
| 19:08.04 | Vesuvius | of the time zones i know |
| 19:08.46 | Vesuvius | it's either morning, early afternoon, or night |
| 19:09.08 | Vesuvius | I don't know the offset for SEA |
| 19:09.09 | Demonette | Hi Helral! |
| 19:09.12 | Demonette | HELRAL !!! |
| 19:09.19 | Demonette | MeoWrawr! |
| 19:09.27 | Vesuvius | everyone make helrals screen flash! |
| 19:09.32 | Vesuvius | say helral! |
| 19:09.39 | Demonette | No! |
| 19:09.52 | Helral | meow? |
| 19:09.52 | Alf__ | so you both editors? |
| 19:09.53 | Vesuvius | you already did demonette |
| 19:09.57 | Demonette | I the only one with the right to flash helrals screen XD |
| 19:10.02 | Vesuvius | lol |
| 19:10.04 | Demonette | =D |
| 19:10.06 | Vesuvius | helral |
| 19:10.07 | Demonette | hi ral =D |
| 19:10.07 | Vesuvius | there |
| 19:10.08 | Vesuvius | I did it |
| 19:10.13 | Demonette | today some mapping stuff? |
| 19:10.21 | Demonette | or some more work our project? |
| 19:10.25 | Helral | swipes at Vesuvius for lieing |
| 19:10.31 | Helral | :P |
| 19:10.32 | Demonette | and/or can you look at my icon updates? |
| 19:10.37 | Demonette | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/art-assets/15975-the-spawning-cluster-icons-abilities-and-more-for-your/ |
| 19:10.51 | Vesuvius | my cat is so mean |
| 19:10.55 | Vesuvius | he always claws my knees |
| 19:11.06 | Demonette | Hehehe =P |
| 19:11.12 | Helral | I'll aim at your arms next time |
| 19:11.13 | Demonette | that why i don't have a cat |
| 19:11.22 | Helral | ow wait you didn't mean me ;p |
| 19:11.23 | Demonette | i will truely never own one =P |
| 19:11.42 | Helral | depends Demonette ;p what if you own me at some point? ;p |
| 19:11.43 | Vesuvius | lol, if you want to be my cat that's perfectly fine |
| 19:11.44 | Helral | meows |
| 19:11.49 | Vesuvius | i could use a cat that's actually useful |
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| 19:12.06 | Vesuvius | i ask my cats about programming and algorithms |
| 19:12.09 | Vesuvius | they just stare at me |
| 19:12.13 | Helral | will spent Vesuvius' cash on cat toys |
| 19:12.13 | Vesuvius | like i'm crazy |
| 19:12.25 | Helral | meows |
| 19:12.30 | Helral | agrees with his cats. |
| 19:12.30 | Demonette | Ral? |
| 19:12.32 | Demonette | Sou? |
| 19:12.36 | Vesuvius | ... |
| 19:12.41 | Vesuvius | ok you can't be my cat |
| 19:12.44 | Vesuvius | you're too catlike |
| 19:12.53 | Helral | also thinks that the questions Vesuvius' asks his cats is basic knowledge. |
| 19:12.54 | Demonette | suggestions? |
| 19:12.57 | Demonette | worky work? |
| 19:13.01 | Demonette | mappy mapping? |
| 19:13.17 | Helral | well the purple and orange 2 versions aren't that nice looking if you ask me ;p |
| 19:13.27 | Demonette | =( |
| 19:13.28 | Helral | of the cere armor |
| 19:13.31 | Vesuvius | actually it's usually homework problems :P |
| 19:13.32 | Demonette | so i have to redone them |
| 19:13.36 | Vesuvius | so practice of basic knowledge |
| 19:13.40 | Helral | the orange one looks like it's the sun suddenly ;p |
| 19:13.41 | Demonette | Sigh* |
| 19:13.43 | Vesuvius | reductions and such |
| 19:13.46 | Demonette | true... |
| 19:13.47 | Demonette | =P |
| 19:14.06 | Vesuvius | gah that algorithms class infected my brain |
| 19:14.08 | Helral | I'd actually expect it to stay green but then more overlap as you have to the outside and inside. |
| 19:14.22 | Vesuvius | you know those tron posters where tron is displayed vertically? |
| 19:14.28 | Demonette | but the gallert hull of the cerebrat gets milky on the step 2 and 3 |
| 19:14.29 | Helral | like you had in the first 2 |
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| 19:14.46 | Demonette | so it's actually hard to see him there |
| 19:14.53 | Vesuvius | in my brain I always merge the letters |
| 19:14.56 | Vesuvius | so it looks like ZOE |
| 19:15.18 | Vesuvius | because the TR looks like an E |
| 19:15.31 | Vesuvius | if you rotate it 90 degrees |
| 19:15.39 | Vesuvius | and the N looks like a Z |
| 19:15.51 | Vesuvius | and zero one equations abbreviates to ZOE |
| 19:16.21 | Vesuvius | evil algorithms class |
| 19:16.33 | Vesuvius | actually it was awesome |
| 19:16.33 | Vesuvius | :P |
| 19:17.06 | Helral | meow? |
| 19:17.30 | Vesuvius | typical of a cat |
| 19:18.15 | Helral | looks at Vesuvius with his cute furry eyes. |
| 19:18.34 | Vesuvius | your cat has furry eyes? |
| 19:18.58 | Vesuvius | longhair? |
| 19:19.00 | Helral | nope |
| 19:19.05 | Vesuvius | lol |
| 19:19.10 | Demonette | =( |
| 19:19.11 | Helral | my cat has nothing ;p |
| 19:19.25 | Vesuvius | my cats are all shorthairs |
| 19:19.28 | Vesuvius | no furry eyes |
| 19:19.42 | Helral | my cats aren't shorthairs nor longhairs. |
| 19:19.55 | Vesuvius | bald! |
| 19:20.21 | Helral | nor bald |
| 19:21.23 | Helral | trying another guess Vesuvius? |
| 19:21.30 | Helral | Demonette: meow ;p |
| 19:22.37 | Vesuvius | mediumhair |
| 19:22.41 | Demonette | Yea... |
| 19:22.51 | Helral | Vesuvius: nope |
| 19:23.46 | Vesuvius | mediumlonghair |
| 19:23.50 | Helral | Vesuvius: nope |
| 19:23.52 | Vesuvius | i can create infinite categories |
| 19:23.56 | Vesuvius | invisible |
| 19:24.02 | Helral | Vesuvius: nope |
| 19:24.14 | Helral | you're getting warmer though ;p |
| 19:24.53 | Helral | shall I tell you, Vesuvius? |
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| 19:43.55 | Obatztrara | Sup guys, |
| 19:44.05 | Obatztrara | would anyone like to test a map on bnet? |
| 19:44.13 | Obatztrara | we're two right now, but the more the better |
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| 20:34.43 | Vail | S Na Ta A Na |
| 20:34.58 | Vail | Sa Na Ta A Na |
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| 20:40.44 | Vail | untill i can figure out how to get my Desolator unit to easily move infront of my Tech Summoner that hero is stuck in prototybe phase |
| 20:47.02 | *** join/#sc2mapster DarkRevenant (~DarkReven@ip72-197-184-165.sd.sd.cox.net) |
| 20:47.23 | DarkRevenant | how to get past the 2mb script limit? |
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| 20:53.37 | Keo_ | Can someone explain galaxy to me? |
| 20:53.43 | Alderis | Anyone on US bnet that wants to help a stress test for a Hero Line Wars beta? |
| 20:54.01 | DarkRevenant | well |
| 20:54.01 | Keo_ | sure |
| 20:54.03 | DarkRevenant | our galaxy is |
| 20:54.07 | DarkRevenant | the Milky Way |
| 20:54.13 | Keo_ | not that galaxy |
| 20:54.14 | DarkRevenant | it has billions upon billions of stars |
| 20:54.34 | Alderis | Keo_ if you want to help are you able to use vent at all? |
| 20:54.36 | DarkRevenant | Andromeda is our closest neighbor |
| 20:54.41 | DarkRevenant | it also has billions of stars |
| 20:54.57 | Keo_ | ya I'm on vent |
| 20:55.06 | Keo_ | the SC2mapster server |
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| 20:59.10 | Vail | i hate this inability to test mods directly |
| 20:59.35 | Xapti | you mean the inability that will be fixed in 1.2 I heard? |
| 20:59.42 | Xapti | or are you talking about something else |
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| 21:00.12 | Midac | Is there a way to change armor with triggers? |
| 21:00.34 | Vail | i think i mean something else it seems other people can test play a mod file directly from the editor but i cant |
| 21:01.43 | Xapti | Keo if you want to learn a bit about galaxy, you can select "data">"view map script" |
| 21:01.58 | Xapti | it's much like C programming or such |
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| 21:06.00 | DarkRevenant | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/editor-bugs-and-feedback/2628-2mb-or-2-5mb-trigger-restriction/ |
| 21:06.05 | DarkRevenant | am i just fucked> |
| 21:06.17 | DarkRevenant | because my map really is complicated enough to have the limit be reachd |
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| 21:20.57 | Vail | hey ThunderLord did you get the sound you needed into the game? |
| 21:21.12 | ThunderLord | yup |
| 21:21.16 | Vail | cool |
| 21:21.40 | ThunderLord | lol i imported like a g6 |
| 21:23.06 | ThunderLord | I gotz a question, How would i go about making a barrier that units cannot shoot or aquire across |
| 21:23.26 | Vail | now thats a good question |
| 21:23.47 | ThunderLord | *hopes there is an answer* |
| 21:29.23 | Vail | do you want it to be a unit? |
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| 21:29.51 | Skittles | rawr |
| 21:34.44 | Vail | grr when my hero has his four pets out he turns like a train |
| 21:36.21 | Skittles | lol |
| 21:44.38 | ThunderLord | is it possible to like paint in a line of sight blocker? |
| 21:45.35 | Vail | dont know |
| 21:48.32 | Stewox | darkr |
| 21:48.37 | Stewox | 2 mb limit still there ' |
| 21:58.21 | ThunderLord | How can i change the "Aquisiton range" of a unit? so it dosnt auto attack when it gets close? |
| 22:03.15 | Skittles | there's a trigger option i think |
| 22:22.39 | Vail | any one know why i can walk through the forcefields ... |
| 22:25.17 | Vail | well folks im out see you all later |
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| 22:29.51 | *** mode/#sc2mapster [+o ckknight] by ChanServ |
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| 22:46.46 | Alf__ | zzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
| 22:46.53 | Alf__ | hmm where is dog |
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| 23:02.29 | Slaydon | Hai!! <3<3 |
| 23:02.58 | *** join/#sc2mapster Skittles (ad39a794@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.57.167.148) |
| 23:03.08 | Skittles | hey how do i embed a youtube video on the forums? |
| 23:03.26 | Slaydon | [youtube] vidlink [/youtube] |
| 23:03.30 | Slaydon | in BBC code i think |
| 23:03.30 | Skittles | ty |
| 23:03.37 | Slaydon | wait, bbc... wth.. |
| 23:03.59 | Skittles | 0.0 |
| 23:04.32 | Skittles | didn't work Xd |
| 23:04.59 | Slaydon | hmm |
| 23:05.04 | Slaydon | try with other types ^^ |
| 23:05.22 | Slaydon | Im pretty sure its BBcode tho |
| 23:07.50 | Slaydon | Dad it wurk? |
| 23:08.07 | Slaydon | England not spek wel. |
| 23:08.48 | Skittles | ? |
| 23:11.25 | *** join/#sc2mapster pirate (4c0a9667@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.10.150.103) |
| 23:11.56 | Skittles | there we go got it |
| 23:12.00 | Skittles | <<youtube Code >> |
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| 23:15.31 | Skittles | hmmmmmmmmm |
| 23:15.46 | Skittles | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/project-workplace/16007-the-departed/ |
| 23:25.14 | Slaydon | Lampoil |
| 23:25.17 | Slaydon | rope |
| 23:25.18 | Slaydon | bombs |
| 23:25.20 | Slaydon | you want it? |
| 23:25.27 | Slaydon | Sorry link |
| 23:25.36 | Slaydon | i cant give credit, come back when you're a little more |
| 23:25.39 | Slaydon | mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmricher. |
| 23:27.29 | Skittles | lol wut? |
| 23:31.44 | progammer | Skittles: i sense a name copyright |
| 23:31.57 | Skittles | oh? |
| 23:32.02 | Alf__ | yo progammer |
| 23:32.05 | Skittles | How swo? |
| 23:32.07 | Alf__ | seen dogmai recently? |
| 23:32.09 | progammer | yo |
| 23:32.52 | Vesuvius | dogmai was talking last night |
| 23:35.44 | progammer | there was a movie by that name |
| 23:36.09 | Skittles | oh, who cares about that. |
| 23:36.41 | Slaydon | Guys, how can i get an empty wow character frame? which i can edit myself? ^^ |
| 23:36.49 | Slaydon | with fill textures aswell.. |
| 23:37.41 | Slaydon | Wow model viewer doesnt help by exporting them, they are all empty. |
| 23:40.35 | Slaydon | D: |
| 23:40.41 | Slaydon | lol, i have been modding all day |
| 23:40.52 | Slaydon | well, atleast 5 hours |
| 23:42.06 | pirate | lol |
| 23:42.18 | pirate | someone's making an SCV Bomberman |
| 23:42.45 | pirate | look out programmer >.> |
| 23:43.30 | Skittles | lol |
| 23:43.36 | Skittles | progammer |
| 23:44.37 | pirate | oh |
| 23:44.48 | pirate | i thought there was an 'r' in it |
| 23:44.52 | pirate | since forever... |
| 23:44.54 | pirate | wow |
| 23:45.10 | Skittles | lol |
| 23:45.16 | Skittles | he gets it a lot |
| 23:45.42 | Skittles | he's actually on the verge of becoming a well-known mass murderer, he would be known as programmer though. lol |
| 23:45.47 | Slaydon | 3: |
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| 23:51.55 | progammer | Skittles: ok you got it right |
| 23:52.12 | Skittles | mhmm |
| 23:52.16 | ThunderLord_ | Hey guys, does anyone have any idea at all on how i could "Mark" a unit somehow that only a single player can see the mark, like make it glow, attach a model to it, whatever, but only one play can see it |
| 23:52.47 | Slaydon | :D:D:D |
| 23:53.31 | ThunderLord_ | Ive tried messing with cloak but allys can see cloak |
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| 23:58.13 | Shawn|Rawr | Thunder, I think SetTintColor (Local) is only for the player, but I haven't tested that theory |
| 23:59.46 | pirate | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:59.51 | A1win | or put an icon (using a text tag) on top of its head |
