| 00:00.15 | A1win | how much control do you need over the weights? |
| 00:00.29 | A1win | do you need to be able to give any number any weight you want? |
| 00:00.48 | A1win | or want some sort of continuous change in the weights? |
| 00:02.07 | A1win | like if you wanted to give all values weight of 2, you'd pick a random y and then use x = 2y and you'd get 2xy in x |
| 00:02.13 | Tordy | :] |
| 00:02.15 | A1win | err |
| 00:02.16 | A1win | *2y |
| 00:02.21 | A1win | used x as * :p |
| 00:03.07 | Tordy | yea any weight i want |
| 00:03.19 | Tordy | i can also change a specific index to a specific % |
| 00:03.26 | A1win | then I'm quite sure array is the least performance intensive solution ;p |
| 00:03.27 | Tordy | that;'ll cause all the other elements' % to change |
| 00:03.43 | Tordy | alright lemme show you some java code |
| 00:04.17 | A1win | or you could just do a huge if-then-else-if stack :P |
| 00:04.38 | A1win | that'd be better for performance but a pain in the ass to code |
| 00:04.47 | Tordy | a stack you say |
| 00:04.50 | Tordy | im interested |
| 00:04.53 | A1win | I mean a tree ;p |
| 00:04.58 | Tordy | :) |
| 00:05.02 | Tordy | hi A1win |
| 00:05.30 | Tordy | alright then forget about the wrng for now |
| 00:05.32 | Tordy | i got another problem |
| 00:05.39 | Tordy | i hope you're good at algorithms! |
| 00:05.46 | A1win | now my city has a whole 7 buildings in it |
| 00:05.53 | A1win | each with 6 floors |
| 00:05.59 | Tordy | I want to generate all lists w/ numbers >= i and <= n that sum to n^2 |
| 00:06.02 | A1win | takes about 2 sec to generate |
| 00:06.08 | Tordy | for example |
| 00:06.09 | Tordy | Ex: i = 2 n = 4 n^2 = 16 lists = { {2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2}, {2,2,2,2,2,3,3}, ...... , {4,4,4,4} } too lazy to list em all |
| 00:06.22 | Tordy | Ex: i = 2, n = 4, n^2 = 16, resulted lists = { {2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2}, {2,2,2,2,2,3,3}, ...... , {4,4,4,4} } too lazy to list em all |
| 00:06.33 | Tordy | just want an efficient algorithm for doing this |
| 00:06.39 | Tordy | most likely gonna be a recursive solution |
| 00:06.44 | Tordy | but i suck at recursion |
| 00:07.25 | A1win | uh... can't think algorithms at 2 am :P |
| 00:07.28 | Tordy | :[ |
| 00:07.39 | A1win | not sure what you're asking though ;P |
| 00:07.54 | Tordy | the ex! |
| 00:08.02 | Tordy | examples speak better than words |
| 00:08.05 | Tordy | :] |
| 00:09.06 | Tordy | bonjouR!!! |
| 00:09.20 | A1win | I mean what's i and n in that X_x |
| 00:09.36 | Tordy | i is the smallest number that can appear in the list |
| 00:09.38 | Tordy | n is the greatest |
| 00:10.09 | Tordy | sum of all elments in the list must sum to exactly n^2 |
| 00:10.14 | A1win | oh |
| 00:10.28 | A1win | yea I see now ;p |
| 00:10.52 | A1win | too advanced at this time of night :x |
| 00:11.12 | A1win | normally I'd solve it within seconds! |
| 00:11.13 | A1win | :< |
| 00:11.17 | Tordy | :[ |
| 00:11.21 | Tordy | hi Jum-Jum |
| 00:23.52 | Xapti | Tordy I don't know exactly what you want because I didn't read everything |
| 00:24.16 | Xapti | but I assume you know that you can get bell curve style weight just by adding multiple random numbers together |
| 00:24.34 | Tordy | yep |
| 00:25.02 | Tordy | wait |
| 00:27.51 | Xapti | back when I was designing my own game engine (undecided whether to be pen and paper or PC game) I was using 6d4 instead of the more common 3d6 |
| 00:28.06 | Xapti | since it weights values more towards the center |
| 00:32.17 | A1win | I don't like other than 6 sided dice :P they're just so annoying to handle |
| 00:33.13 | A1win | also I like the system more where you roll a bunch of dice and instead of adding up the numbers, you just look how many successes you got, for example 5 and 6 = success, rest fail |
| 00:33.22 | A1win | it's a lot faster to see the result o: |
| 00:33.47 | A1win | and you get to roll more dice which is always fun ;3 |
| 00:34.05 | A1win | hehe now I have 7 buildings each with 20 floors |
| 00:35.21 | A1win | will be so epic when you'll be able to look out of the windows |
| 00:37.32 | Xapti | I don't know what you meant with that dice thing |
| 00:37.53 | A1win | mmh |
| 00:38.10 | A1win | it's used in arkham horror and world of darkness rpg and such |
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| 00:38.21 | A1win | let's say your fight skill is 5 |
| 00:38.33 | A1win | you perform a task of difficulty -2 |
| 00:38.38 | A1win | you roll 5-2 dice = 3 dice |
| 00:38.46 | A1win | if at least one is 5 or 6, you succeed, else you fail |
| 00:39.10 | Xapti | wouldn't it make more sense to say the difficulty is 2 and not -2 |
| 00:39.17 | A1win | mm yea :P |
| 00:39.30 | A1win | it's called modifier anyway, just too tired to think straight |
| 00:39.42 | A1win | difficulty is different thing actually |
| 00:39.50 | A1win | most tasks are difficulty 1 |
| 00:39.54 | A1win | = 1 dice must succeed |
| 00:39.58 | A1win | difficulty 2 = 2 must succeed |
| 00:40.28 | Xapti | now i'm confused agin though |
| 00:40.39 | Xapti | you said if you had 5 skill 2 difficulty then you only need 1 succeed |
| 00:40.41 | A1win | in arkham horror they're described as "Make a Fight -1 check" or "Make a Fight -3 [2]" check if difficulty is 2 |
| 00:40.54 | A1win | no |
| 00:41.05 | A1win | you always need to succeed as many times as the difficulty is |
| 00:41.16 | A1win | and modifier just changes the number of dice |
| 00:41.19 | Xapti | oh and then there's a separate modifier |
| 00:41.22 | A1win | yea |
| 00:41.36 | A1win | it's awesome ^^ |
| 00:41.59 | Xapti | I think whitewolf uses maybe somethign similar with d10 |
| 00:42.08 | A1win | what's whitewolf? |
| 00:42.10 | Xapti | can't remember |
| 00:42.21 | Xapti | some pen and paper, has werewolves |
| 00:42.37 | A1win | maybe using world of darkness / story telling base system? |
| 00:42.44 | A1win | that's the same as arkham horror with d10 |
| 00:42.47 | Xapti | oh |
| 00:42.50 | A1win | for that system |
| 00:43.08 | A1win | so that 8+ is success |
| 00:43.22 | A1win | but it's virtually the same as d6 with 5+ success |
| 00:43.27 | A1win | very small difference in the chance :P |
| 00:43.29 | Xapti | the math behind calculating probabilities of those sort of things are much mor confusing though |
| 00:43.47 | Xapti | than roling a d20 |
| 00:43.50 | A1win | the only advantage with d10 is that you can add/subtract the success number less than in d6 |
| 00:44.00 | A1win | mm true |
| 00:44.16 | A1win | story telling system isn't really focused on rules anyway |
| 00:44.22 | A1win | it's more about story telling :P |
| 00:44.56 | A1win | and in computer games it's better to just use a percentage as a float value ;p |
| 00:45.03 | Xapti | Anyone here know how to make scrollable custom mini-maps? |
| 00:45.43 | A1win | well I suppose it's just a dialog image that's moved when the character moves? |
| 00:46.07 | Xapti | oh right because the image doesn't go outside of the dialog |
| 00:46.11 | Xapti | i forgot about that |
| 00:46.12 | A1win | mm |
| 00:46.24 | Xapti | sometmies my brain doesn't grasp those simple things |
| 00:46.29 | A1win | hehe |
| 00:46.46 | A1win | I'd make a custom minimap for this but I'm not yet sure if I want to keep ping or not |
| 00:46.56 | A1win | ping might be useful |
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| 00:47.06 | Xapti | but I also want to add unit locations on the map, and I think that's going to be annoying to code |
| 00:47.14 | A1win | mm |
| 00:47.52 | Xapti | in fact it would seem like a laggy trigger to me, but then again i have no clue how fast/slow the trigger processing is in this game |
| 00:48.04 | A1win | pretty fast ;p |
| 00:48.19 | Xapti | like I'd need to call the triggre to update their location any time any unit moves |
| 00:48.26 | Xapti | all of their locations |
| 00:48.46 | Xapti | well, better to just make it every .1 seconds |
| 00:48.49 | A1win | well you still need periods |
| 00:48.59 | A1win | since moving doesn't happen in steps ;p |
| 00:49.00 | Xapti | what |
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| 00:49.11 | A1win | I mean periodic updating, like 0.1 |
| 00:49.17 | A1win | sec |
| 00:49.19 | Xapti | well what I mean is that unit position has changed |
| 00:49.26 | Xapti | I think that's an event? |
| 00:49.28 | A1win | there's no event for that |
| 00:49.36 | Xapti | oh, i guess that makes sense though |
| 00:49.42 | A1win | it'd fire all the time when someone moves .P |
| 00:49.43 | A1win | :P |
| 00:49.47 | Xapti | yeah exactly |
| 00:49.49 | A1win | on every server frame |
| 00:49.50 | Tordy | chyea!!! |
| 00:50.10 | A1win | but it's not like units move very far even in 0.25 sec |
| 00:50.23 | Xapti | yeah, especially for a minimap |
| 00:50.24 | A1win | depends how close you zoomi t |
| 00:50.26 | A1win | *zoom it |
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| 00:51.08 | A1win | but if there aren't like thousands of units it should be pretty fast to get their points and then move a dialog image based on that |
| 00:52.37 | A1win | aah damn this map will be awesome ^^ lots of space to explore and all the time fearing that there will be a zombie behind the next corner and you need to run |
| 00:53.23 | Tordy | a white boy!? |
| 00:54.38 | A1win | hmm maybe I should limit the number of basement floors |
| 00:54.59 | A1win | not very realistic to have a skyscraper with 18 underground floors |
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| 00:57.43 | Xapti | yeah lol |
| 00:57.49 | Xapti | it's not diablo |
| 00:58.21 | Xapti | basement should just have sideways attached regions instead of stairs |
| 00:58.56 | Xapti | since basements can bigger underground |
| 00:58.56 | A1win | nah underground floors can be scary too ^^ |
| 00:59.10 | A1win | ah like that |
| 00:59.13 | A1win | hmm |
| 00:59.57 | A1win | that'd take some extra coding but not too much since I already have a system to connect street level buildings together |
| 01:00.29 | A1win | I should probably let them connect upstairs too through the same wall... |
| 01:01.29 | A1win | "pathing" through the buildings will be tough I think... I mean I need to block some routes but still make sure the players can access all the generated areas through some route |
| 01:02.13 | Xapti | oh right this is the original video I saw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqtjfFU7dE0 |
| 01:02.29 | Xapti | something tells me though using camera bounds only works for single player though |
| 01:02.35 | Xapti | and not multiplayer |
| 01:02.39 | A1win | works there too |
| 01:02.54 | Xapti | oh wait I didn't read the comments |
| 01:03.03 | Xapti | yeah wow I didn't think camera bounds would work |
| 01:03.16 | Xapti | weird, I thought that was like a global thing |
| 01:03.20 | A1win | hehe |
| 01:03.31 | A1win | playable map area is |
| 01:03.35 | A1win | but not camera bounds |
| 01:04.05 | Xapti | man ever since a few days ago SOMETIMES if I leave the terrain editor open it will memory leak |
| 01:04.13 | Xapti | although it's not happening now |
| 01:04.39 | Xapti | I assume it's if I leave it open, because once when it was leaking I cloased it and it stopped |
| 01:08.41 | A1win | I'm thinking I should probably do items only as icons/popup windows to reduce the amount of units that need to be in the map, and I wouldn't need models for them |
| 01:09.18 | A1win | maybe some large carryable items as units |
| 01:10.02 | A1win | though then I need a corpse system so players can loot their dead friends :s |
| 01:11.02 | A1win | shouldn't be that difficult I guess |
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| 01:12.37 | XenoX | halo |
| 01:12.45 | Xapti | halo |
| 01:12.58 | A1win | hey |
| 01:13.06 | Xapti | you figured out how to change camera angles XenoX? |
| 01:14.29 | XenoX | yup, ctrl & right click |
| 01:14.38 | XenoX | also figured out camera objects in-game |
| 01:14.59 | XenoX | but had trouble using triggers to change Player 1's camera distance |
| 01:15.04 | XenoX | no biggie though |
| 01:15.24 | Xapti | yeah I can't remember if I had issues with that |
| 01:15.39 | Xapti | biggest issue I had was a rotatable camera working perfectly |
| 01:16.38 | A1win | uh I should do more code clean up again, lot of stuff is still needless copy-paste while they could be turned into a single function |
| 01:17.25 | XenoX | yeah btw copy>paste terrain is the single greatest feature ever |
| 01:17.32 | A1win | hehe |
| 01:17.47 | XenoX | if they allow lasso and shift-add, alt-remove selection like in photoshop it would be perfect |
| 01:18.06 | A1win | XenoX, have you checked my thread lately? o: any comments about all those walls of text there? ^^ |
| 01:18.15 | XenoX | will check it now :) |
| 01:18.32 | A1win | there's a new video too, not much in it yet though |
| 01:18.47 | A1win | but progress anyway |
| 01:20.13 | A1win | and people wanting to turn this into resident evil, eep |
| 01:27.42 | Xapti | yeah that would be stupid |
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| 01:33.48 | XenoX | A1win I like your gaming philosophy, very wise take on the mini-game phenomenon |
| 01:33.51 | Creation | Anyone here understand why set units wont place right |
| 01:34.08 | XenoX | alt-tabbing to play solitaire is a great way of putting it too ;p |
| 01:34.16 | Creation | im trying to get units from the Hyperion cinematics placed onto my map but they always dissapear after placing |
| 01:35.14 | A1win | XenoX, yea ^^ I was pondering it last night |
| 01:35.44 | XenoX | re: the boss idea |
| 01:36.03 | XenoX | you mentioned having a variety of monsters |
| 01:36.06 | XenoX | instead of bosses |
| 01:36.36 | XenoX | I think thats a good idea, and would add that if you can make the monsters target particular weaknesses of the players, that'd be fantastic |
| 01:36.54 | A1win | hmm |
| 01:39.02 | XenoX | like you could make a very fast enemy that has less health |
| 01:39.16 | XenoX | which acts on people's weakness of reaction times |
| 01:39.52 | XenoX | or maybe a monster that calls other monsters |
| 01:39.53 | Xapti | Wow I downloaded and opened Herals random dungeon map |
| 01:40.04 | Xapti | it's crazy, full of so much triggers and stuff |
| 01:40.32 | A1win | XenoX, a burrowed monster that is difficult to notice since you can only see the rubble, so if you go too close it unburrows ;3 |
| 01:40.59 | XenoX | yeah that'd work |
| 01:41.24 | XenoX | one other thing, you might want to use lighting as a factor |
| 01:41.26 | Xapti | zombies that play dead |
| 01:41.29 | XenoX | like lanterns and stuff |
| 01:41.39 | A1win | mmm |
| 01:41.46 | XenoX | and force the player to conserve gasoline for lanterns |
| 01:41.55 | XenoX | BUT then allow them to use that gasoline with a flamethrower later on |
| 01:41.56 | Xapti | thing tha tsucks with lighting is graphics settings |
| 01:42.04 | A1win | dunno about lanterns, it's SC universe after all :P |
| 01:42.05 | XenoX | yeah true |
| 01:42.07 | A1win | maybe like batteries |
| 01:42.11 | XenoX | yeah |
| 01:42.18 | XenoX | and a pulse rifle |
| 01:42.39 | XenoX | then its like, 'oh shit I fired too much on my pulse rifle, I can barely see without my torch!" |
| 01:42.47 | A1win | mmh :P |
| 01:42.54 | A1win | dunno about weapons yet |
| 01:43.07 | A1win | I think I'll try to get the gameplay feel right without any weapons first |
| 01:43.17 | A1win | (keeping in mind all the time how to add weapons to that though) |
| 01:43.32 | A1win | but I want it to be very little about fighting |
| 01:44.00 | XenoX | just a thought though |
| 01:44.01 | A1win | they're civilians after all |
| 01:44.03 | XenoX | and that way the ammo is double purpose |
| 01:44.07 | A1win | mm |
| 01:44.49 | A1win | but I think I'll just use sight radius as "lighting" since you can turn lights so low with settings |
| 01:45.20 | A1win | too bad it's limited to 15 |
| 01:45.31 | A1win | so can't really make it into a varying element |
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| 01:45.44 | XenoX_ | damn internet |
| 01:45.49 | A1win | 03:44:07 < A1win> mm |
| 01:45.49 | A1win | 03:44:49 < A1win> but I think I'll just use sight radius as "lighting" since you can turn lights so low with settings |
| 01:45.52 | A1win | 03:45:19 < A1win> too bad it's limited to 15 |
| 01:45.55 | A1win | 03:45:31 < A1win> so can't really make it into a varying element |
| 01:46.26 | XenoX_ | I see |
| 01:46.32 | XenoX_ | (no pun intended) |
| 01:46.34 | XenoX_ | so you can't get it lower than 15? |
| 01:46.40 | A1win | well I can |
| 01:46.54 | A1win | but then you wouldn't be able to see almost at all inside |
| 01:47.00 | A1win | because everything is scaled to 200% there :P |
| 01:47.02 | XenoX_ | you can make it change inside |
| 01:47.11 | A1win | 15 is max |
| 01:47.15 | XenoX_ | actually |
| 01:47.17 | XenoX_ | you know what |
| 01:47.19 | XenoX_ | that is fine |
| 01:47.26 | XenoX_ | because you can add light sources |
| 01:47.29 | XenoX_ | inside the houses |
| 01:47.36 | XenoX_ | normal lighting |
| 01:47.49 | A1win | you mean like they give you vision? |
| 01:48.06 | XenoX_ | yeah you are given vision of all the lights in the building |
| 01:48.11 | XenoX_ | and you can even turn them off and stuff |
| 01:48.16 | A1win | mmh |
| 01:48.17 | XenoX_ | that would be even more immersive :) |
| 01:48.42 | A1win | not sure if I want the players to see behind walls but that could be done with a periodic check that only gives you vision of light sources that you can see |
| 01:48.43 | XenoX_ | lol |
| 01:49.02 | XenoX_ | yeah |
| 01:49.02 | A1win | but meh |
| 01:49.06 | A1win | might be weird :P |
| 01:49.16 | A1win | I guess it'd be a good enough element |
| 01:49.18 | XenoX_ | its worth considering, lighting would be a fantastic dynamic |
| 01:49.22 | A1win | even though it wouldn't be realistic |
| 01:49.57 | XenoX_ | you could remove the sight radius indoors |
| 01:49.58 | A1win | it can be just a symbol for lighting :P |
| 01:50.04 | XenoX_ | or switch it to your normal setting |
| 01:50.15 | A1win | hmm :> |
| 01:50.32 | A1win | so if you walk in the dark, you can't see anything o: |
| 01:50.39 | XenoX_ | yeah |
| 01:51.01 | A1win | so you'd always be afraid of the dark corners |
| 01:51.06 | A1win | "what if there's a zombie there" |
| 01:51.08 | XenoX_ | exactly |
| 01:51.12 | A1win | awesome ^^ |
| 01:51.15 | XenoX_ | and if you allow something like torches |
| 01:51.24 | XenoX_ | but limit them drastically |
| 01:51.33 | XenoX_ | you can get lighting to be a strategic element |
| 01:51.39 | A1win | mm |
| 01:52.02 | A1win | maybe just make zombies notice you faster if you have your flashlight on |
| 01:52.11 | XenoX_ | yeah that would be great |
| 01:52.37 | A1win | not instantly still though |
| 01:52.47 | XenoX_ | yeah use your common sense |
| 01:52.51 | A1win | mm |
| 01:53.02 | A1win | will find out with testing |
| 01:53.08 | XenoX_ | yeah |
| 01:53.37 | XenoX_ | you might also want to consider |
| 01:53.41 | A1win | I was thinking of making items only as icons/info cards instead of actual models in the world |
| 01:53.53 | XenoX_ | mm that would remove the realism I think |
| 01:53.54 | A1win | so I can have more of them and without having to worry about performance |
| 01:54.21 | XenoX_ | you could hold them in memory as an array or something |
| 01:54.24 | XenoX_ | with coordinates |
| 01:54.25 | A1win | would have some big items as models though |
| 01:54.29 | XenoX_ | and then load them as players get near |
| 01:54.41 | XenoX_ | not sure how that would work but |
| 01:54.54 | XenoX_ | it should be doable, and wouldn't be a burden on performance |
| 01:55.18 | A1win | creating units on-the-fly is more of a burden than keeping them in play as hidden :x |
| 01:55.44 | A1win | well depends on how many zombies I need |
| 01:56.03 | XenoX_ | yeah |
| 01:56.07 | A1win | and how many items I'll have... |
| 01:56.19 | XenoX_ | also re: your comment about weapons being a last minute ting |
| 01:56.20 | XenoX_ | thing |
| 01:56.35 | XenoX_ | dont do that, you won't be able to remind yourself of them throughout the whole thing |
| 01:56.48 | XenoX_ | its very obvious in games when features are done last minute |
| 01:56.53 | XenoX_ | because they dont flow with the rest of the game |
| 01:57.06 | A1win | mm yea |
| 01:57.17 | XenoX_ | even if you think you have it in the back of your mind |
| 01:57.24 | XenoX_ | out of sight out of mind always prevails to some degree |
| 01:58.18 | XenoX_ | so think about the varying elements in your game, maybe make a spreadsheet like I've done |
| 01:58.36 | XenoX_ | you've got movement, lighting, hiding spots, weapons |
| 01:58.57 | A1win | just realized that all barricades and hiding places will also have to be units, so there will be even more stuff around than just the zombies... |
| 01:59.29 | XenoX_ | my shitty laptop on lowest graphics can still handle about 40 units on screen at once before any real issues happen |
| 01:59.37 | XenoX_ | you should be fine |
| 01:59.42 | A1win | yea but it's not just on screen |
| 01:59.49 | Xapti | helral comes by here sometimes, right? |
| 01:59.56 | XenoX_ | ya |
| 01:59.58 | A1win | Xapti, yeah.. like every day :x |
| 02:00.25 | Xapti | did I miss him? |
| 02:00.32 | XenoX_ | no clue |
| 02:00.41 | A1win | yeah he was here quite some time ago |
| 02:01.01 | A1win | not sure if he's in EU but he's been around during the EU daytime |
| 02:01.15 | XenoX_ | man I have to redo my terrain because I underestimated the sheer size of 256x256 |
| 02:01.33 | A1win | :X |
| 02:01.36 | XenoX_ | only did the cliffs though |
| 02:01.37 | XenoX_ | no biggy |
| 02:01.56 | XenoX_ | hey I have a question |
| 02:02.10 | XenoX_ | how do hills work? can units climb over them no matter what? how do they work with vision? |
| 02:02.29 | A1win | they are just for visuals I think |
| 02:02.55 | A1win | or actually not sure about vision |
| 02:02.56 | XenoX_ | I thought as much |
| 02:02.58 | A1win | might work for that |
| 02:02.59 | XenoX_ | yeah |
| 02:03.03 | A1win | since units have "vision height" |
| 02:03.14 | XenoX_ | yeah it would have to play a part I'd think |
| 02:03.23 | A1win | and they can always climb even if the hill was nearly vertical |
| 02:03.29 | XenoX_ | yeah that makes sense |
| 02:03.31 | A1win | you can put pathing on it to prevent that |
| 02:03.41 | A1win | I mean pathing blockers ;p |
| 02:04.06 | XenoX_ | rofl - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JYSIcrMY1k |
| 02:04.25 | A1win | but anyway hills won't block vision, but might give a unit more height for that |
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| 02:04.47 | A1win | hehe |
| 02:04.48 | XenoX_ | yeah I think I'll leave them out of the equation |
| 02:05.03 | A1win | you know the goats that climb nearly vertical cliffs? |
| 02:05.14 | Skizot | RodOfNOD |
| 02:05.15 | Skizot | wake up |
| 02:05.32 | XenoX_ | I've heard the saying 'as surefooted as a goat' |
| 02:05.34 | XenoX_ | but thats about it |
| 02:06.25 | A1win | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFt7VeKRfj0 well here's one (with bad audio) |
| 02:07.24 | A1win | meh can't find a good quality one :P |
| 02:07.34 | XenoX | holy shit |
| 02:08.26 | A1win | http://www.hubnightlife.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Goats-Dam-1.jpg |
| 02:09.02 | A1win | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1320728/Herd-mountain-goats-climb-160ft-near-vertical-Cingino-dam-Italian-Alps.html |
| 02:09.20 | A1win | crazy animals |
| 02:10.50 | A1win | what if the players start piling up items in one spot though? |
| 02:11.10 | A1win | they could end up bringing hundreds of them somewhere :P |
| 02:12.35 | XenoX | yeah I guess thats where you need to make items valuable and sparce |
| 02:12.48 | A1win | so instead of picking them up from the ground, you'd just click on a container and it'd open a UI frame with icons or something |
| 02:12.55 | A1win | mmh |
| 02:13.13 | A1win | yea I suppose I shouldn't fill the map in with those either |
| 02:13.30 | A1win | less is more :P |
| 02:13.34 | XenoX | ya |
| 02:13.41 | XenoX | and odds are most people dont horde items |
| 02:13.52 | XenoX | hard to use and recover |
| 02:13.54 | XenoX | and people are greedy |
| 02:13.58 | A1win | so when you finally find one, it feels like you've achieved something |
| 02:14.04 | XenoX | ya |
| 02:14.05 | XenoX | thats another thing you should consider though, a backpack |
| 02:14.17 | A1win | yeah that I'll do :P |
| 02:14.25 | XenoX | you could make it so they cant carry shit at the start, then once they find some plants they can make a backpack |
| 02:14.30 | XenoX | or something |
| 02:14.30 | A1win | and other containers too |
| 02:14.36 | A1win | but you can also drop them on ground |
| 02:14.38 | XenoX | and yeah they can make crates and stuff |
| 02:14.39 | A1win | hmm |
| 02:14.47 | A1win | zombies can destroy them if they're on ground :o |
| 02:14.48 | XenoX | and they can make fire with drywood |
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| 02:15.06 | A1win | so you don't *want* to leave them lying around |
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| 02:15.15 | XenoX | yeah |
| 02:15.21 | XenoX | you could even make zombies pick up the weapons |
| 02:15.26 | XenoX | use them against their owners ;p |
| 02:15.30 | A1win | hehe |
| 02:15.47 | XenoX | you could also make zombies disarm players, knock their weapon out of their hand, force them to use an alternative |
| 02:15.54 | A1win | mmh :> |
| 02:16.15 | Demalii | anyone know why a unit attacks and show weapon icon, but the icon has no tooltips and doesn't show dmg/atk speed |
| 02:16.16 | XenoX | and you could perhaps use fire as a disabler |
| 02:16.21 | A1win | the problem with weapons is that the civilians don't have weapon models... and no shooting animation |
| 02:16.42 | XenoX | you might want to talk with some of the modellers/animators around |
| 02:16.42 | A1win | only the throw animation, which can possibly be used for some kind of a swing too... |
| 02:16.46 | XenoX | there might be some on sc2 |
| 02:16.46 | A1win | mmm |
| 02:16.51 | XenoX | sc2 mapster* |
| 02:17.10 | A1win | just don't want to bother people before I actually have something done :P |
| 02:17.11 | XenoX | your concept is interesting enough that I'm sure you'd be able to get some help |
| 02:17.25 | XenoX | you could even do them a favour of helping them trigger or something |
| 02:17.26 | XenoX | in exchange |
| 02:17.58 | XenoX | but even without animations the mechanics can still work |
| 02:18.02 | A1win | mm |
| 02:18.12 | XenoX | they just wont look as pretty until you've found an animator |
| 02:18.31 | XenoX | with weapons you should be able to attach them |
| 02:18.50 | XenoX | to civilian attachment point |
| 02:19.22 | XenoX | and dont the civilians in the first campaign mission use handguns? |
| 02:19.32 | A1win | they throw molotovs |
| 02:19.40 | XenoX | they dont shoot at all? |
| 02:19.44 | A1win | nope |
| 02:20.13 | A1win | I've looked through all animations they have anyway |
| 02:20.27 | A1win | they have pretty much everything else :P |
| 02:20.49 | XenoX | ah yeah |
| 02:21.07 | A1win | run, walk, run in fear, stand in fear, cover in fear, walk with wounded leg (holds it with hands) |
| 02:21.22 | A1win | "work" (shuffle hands randomly in front), carry |
| 02:21.41 | A1win | then some clapping and cheering and stuff |
| 02:22.42 | A1win | I need to make the running & hiding work well even without proper hiding places |
| 02:22.50 | A1win | just need to be able to use corners to an advantage |
| 02:22.54 | XenoX | yeah |
| 02:23.31 | XenoX | well you could try your hand at the animation yourself, it would probably take you a day though |
| 02:23.39 | XenoX | might be worth it but |
| 02:23.55 | A1win | hehe... yea I should learn some 3D stuff |
| 02:24.12 | A1win | would be a good time to start modeling too since most of the models I need will be very simple, like walls |
| 02:24.17 | XenoX | yeah |
| 02:24.30 | XenoX | I'll probably look into it myself too, though at a later date, my map is still very early days |
| 02:24.46 | A1win | and I've been working with 3D FPS maps for like 10 years so it's not such a new thing :P |
| 02:24.56 | XenoX | good good :) |
| 02:25.00 | A1win | just different kinds of tools |
| 02:25.50 | XenoX | yeah |
| 02:26.01 | XenoX | hey do you have msn? |
| 02:26.16 | A1win | yeah |
| 02:26.21 | XenoX | add me the_vortex01@hotmail.com |
| 02:27.11 | A1win | added... hope it works :p |
| 02:27.40 | A1win | the whole msn protocol has been getting worse and worse |
| 02:27.45 | XenoX | hm nothin yet |
| 02:28.02 | A1win | try adding squirrel@shpongle.com |
| 02:28.02 | XenoX | whats yours? |
| 02:28.12 | XenoX | shpongle, heh, awesome |
| 02:28.20 | XenoX | you know the band? |
| 02:28.24 | A1win | yeah.. too bad they ended their mail service :P |
| 02:28.37 | XenoX | ah yeah |
| 02:28.41 | A1win | yea they're awesome ;p |
| 02:28.59 | A1win | so I can't get password confirmations by mail or anything :P should probably just make a new MSN account |
| 02:29.10 | A1win | anyway seems to work now? |
| 02:29.37 | A1win | hmm |
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| 02:37.38 | Dustin | :O |
| 02:40.02 | Vail | Dustin whats Up? |
| 02:40.22 | Dustin | Nothin much |
| 02:40.36 | Vail | i see |
| 02:42.50 | Dustin | what you up to |
| 02:56.57 | XenoX | Dustin....Browder? |
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| 02:59.05 | Skizot | fuuuuuu |
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| 03:08.21 | nicoli_s | Skizot:did first combat test successfully |
| 03:08.31 | Skizot | woo |
| 03:08.37 | Skizot | screenies? |
| 03:09.10 | nicoli_s | no animation yet, but im working on being able to do damage floating text so once i have that ill make a screenie |
| 03:09.37 | nicoli_s | need to probably put in a shrinking death animation in the mean time before until i get animations in |
| 03:21.40 | Xapti | what are you up t nicoli |
| 03:22.27 | nicoli_s | im writing a game using XNA |
| 03:22.43 | nicoli_s | skizot is helping me with some art |
| 03:25.24 | nicoli_s | ill actually be looking for some more help at some point if anyone else is interested |
| 03:25.39 | XenoX | I can give you motivational help |
| 03:25.42 | XenoX | GO NICOLI! WOO! |
| 03:26.56 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 03:29.04 | XenoX | yeah I'm not much good for much else ;p |
| 03:29.19 | XenoX | whats XNA? |
| 03:30.32 | nicoli_s | its a platform for writing 2d and 3d games for xbox 360, pc, and windowd phone |
| 03:31.00 | XenoX | oh nice |
| 03:31.20 | XenoX | like live arcade and stuff? |
| 03:32.07 | nicoli_s | yeah, but a little less grahiclly updated, there is a indie games for xbox live section tat my game will show up on if it gets there |
| 03:32.48 | XenoX | ah yeah awesome |
| 03:33.25 | XenoX | well keep us posted :) |
| 03:34.00 | Xapti | If it uses projectiles which predict location of target |
| 03:34.07 | Xapti | I can give you a piece of code lol |
| 03:34.18 | Xapti | since I had to write some for my map |
| 03:35.27 | nicoli_s | i will have to write projectile code at some point but it shouldnt be too bad |
| 03:35.52 | nicoli_s | i can alreadymove a model fludily between two points, id just need to apply a curve to the movement to mae it projectile like |
| 03:35.59 | ckknight | throws a projectile onto nicoli_s' face |
| 03:36.31 | nicoli_s | right now the only 2 types of projectiles plannes are like javelins or something like that, or a basic spell bolt type deal |
| 03:37.41 | XenoX | is there any measurement tool for the GE editor? |
| 03:38.23 | XenoX | hm, I guess I could use the selection tool |
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| 03:45.12 | Skizot | fuuu |
| 03:45.27 | Skizot | shit internet tonight i tell ya |
| 03:45.44 | Skizot | 1% signal quality :( |
| 03:46.00 | Skizot | nic can you animate sc2 models? |
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| 03:53.49 | Skizot | nicoli_s? |
| 03:54.24 | nicoli_s | yes you can import fully animated sc2 models into 3ds max |
| 03:54.32 | Skizot | can you edit one for me? |
| 03:54.34 | nicoli_s | i just need to write animation support for my format |
| 03:54.44 | nicoli_s | yeah when im at work |
| 03:54.53 | nicoli_s | it doesnt work very well over web remote desktop |
| 03:55.02 | Skizot | when's that? |
| 03:55.37 | Xapti | 1% signal quality? |
| 03:55.40 | nicoli_s | tom |
| 03:55.46 | Skizot | FUUUU |
| 03:56.00 | Skizot | i need a VERY simple animationc hange :( |
| 03:56.54 | Xapti | 1% signal strength would be liek 500kbps OPTIMAL INCLUDING overhead |
| 03:57.45 | Skizot | -89-923 |
| 03:57.52 | Skizot | signal noise SNR |
| 03:57.59 | Skizot | -89 -92 3 |
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| 04:00.02 | Tordy | hi guys |
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| 04:07.35 | Tordy | dungeon keeper is such a good game |
| 04:07.37 | Tordy | omf |
| 04:07.39 | Tordy | gg |
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| 04:14.06 | Demalii | tordy, know why my baby ultralisk duplicate atks and works, but the weapon icon on the unit, doesn't show anything, no dmg/atk speed..? |
| 04:14.34 | Tordy | just the icon? |
| 04:14.43 | Tordy | did you set the display effect to the right effect? |
| 04:23.56 | ckknight | Tordy: both DK1 and DK2 were pretty awesome |
| 04:24.03 | ckknight | sad that bullfrog went under before they made DK3 |
| 04:24.18 | Tordy | dungeon keeper map!! argh |
| 04:24.25 | Tordy | we could pretend that's dk3 |
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| 04:41.28 | Lilianna | I like Populous: The Beginning alot from Bullfrog |
| 04:42.11 | ckknight | oh yeah, that's great |
| 04:42.19 | Skizot | :( |
| 04:42.22 | ckknight | hard, though |
| 04:42.53 | Skizot | dammit i need triceron |
| 04:45.38 | Demalii | tordy i didn't set that, i've never had to.. i just normally change the dmg of the weapon for units |
| 04:45.48 | Demalii | i dunno where to do that i don't see it in unit |
| 04:46.28 | Demalii | ohh wait |
| 04:46.42 | Demalii | i found dmg display on weapon and it wasn;'t set maybe that's it |
| 04:46.53 | Tordy | that should be it |
| 04:47.00 | Tordy | set it to the associated damage effect |
| 04:47.32 | Demalii | yea thanks for leading me to that |
| 04:49.54 | Dogmai | good morning all |
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| 04:55.04 | Skizot | anyone have max 2011 and know how to edit an animation? |
| 05:00.34 | Skizot | :( |
| 05:10.11 | Tordy | robo |
| 05:10.13 | Tordy | DOAKES |
| 05:17.54 | Skizot | NONE can do a SIMPLE animation edit? |
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| 05:17.58 | Tordy | well i'll be damned |
| 05:18.01 | Tordy | just take a look |
| 05:18.02 | Tordy | at this |
| 05:18.03 | Tordy | hi ther |
| 05:18.55 | Skizot | ? |
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| 05:51.25 | maknyuzz | hi guys |
| 05:51.39 | maknyuzz | is it possible to change unit attribute flag via trigger? |
| 05:51.52 | maknyuzz | say ultralisk. from massive to light |
| 05:51.58 | Skizot | RARGH |
| 05:52.36 | Reactorex | 42. |
| 05:52.49 | Skizot | i can't do a new video for my map without this animation :( |
| 06:04.18 | Tordy | im gettin burnt out |
| 06:14.40 | Vail | what animarion? |
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| 07:14.54 | onetwo | one paper down |
| 07:14.59 | onetwo | one exam and one paper left to go |
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| 07:39.05 | Mindflow | Hey guys, I have a couple map requests that I'd be willing to pay for if anyone is up to the task |
| 07:39.38 | Mindflow | LIke $80 for a couple customized unit tester maps |
| 07:41.14 | onetwo | this place seems a bit dead atm haha |
| 07:41.34 | Mindflow | yup |
| 07:42.21 | Mindflow | im sure most are asleep, early monday morning isn't the most popular time to be awake |
| 07:42.27 | Mindflow | -_- |
| 07:43.44 | onetwo | yeah this time and for the next few hours |
| 07:43.45 | onetwo | it usually is |
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| 07:51.08 | Shawn|Rawr | is anyone here? |
| 07:51.47 | Shawn|Rawr | A1win? |
| 07:52.41 | onetwo | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_QZ1f-A8ec&feature=related i find this song quite interesting in the trailer |
| 07:52.52 | Shawn|Rawr | onetwo! |
| 07:53.00 | onetwo | as a trailer maker myself its pretty cool to see hollywood's |
| 07:53.21 | Shawn|Rawr | Quickly tell me how to make a vespene geyser not appear when a refinery dies |
| 07:53.56 | Shawn|Rawr | It seems to create the geyser as soon as the refinery is placed.. |
| 07:54.20 | Shawn|Rawr | And when I remove the geysers that are under refineries.. i get a trigger error |
| 07:54.34 | onetwo | thats weird |
| 07:54.39 | onetwo | i havent really dealt with them tbh |
| 07:54.44 | onetwo | is it your trigger or data? |
| 07:54.48 | onetwo | maybe behaviors or abilities |
| 07:54.49 | onetwo | on the refinery |
| 07:56.03 | Shawn|Rawr | btw, i loved the hero tutorial |
| 07:56.16 | onetwo | awesome :D |
| 07:57.36 | Shawn|Rawr | Thats it.. I'm removing every event for the vespene's actor |
| 07:57.38 | Shawn|Rawr | That should do it |
| 07:57.57 | onetwo | lol |
| 07:58.06 | onetwo | actor events are messy sometimes |
| 07:59.35 | Shawn|Rawr | ya.. if that doesn't work imma be so sad |
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| 08:00.56 | Shawn|Rawr | onetwo, do you know who would be willing to record a video of my game? |
| 08:01.33 | onetwo | LordAbyss maybe? |
| 08:01.42 | Shawn|Rawr | ugh.. it still created the unit but now theres a white sphere instead of the actor lol |
| 08:02.10 | Skizot | freaking msn |
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| 08:04.59 | XenoX | halo |
| 08:05.08 | ekcolnovkol | o0 |
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| 08:06.43 | onetwo | hi |
| 08:08.53 | XenoX | hows things onetwo |
| 08:10.00 | onetwo | good : |
| 08:10.02 | onetwo | exam time |
| 08:10.04 | onetwo | taking a break atm |
| 08:10.57 | XenoX | exam time? it's two weeks from christmas! |
| 08:11.01 | XenoX | less than |
| 08:11.12 | onetwo | yep |
| 08:11.17 | onetwo | good ole UBC |
| 08:11.18 | onetwo | lol |
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| 08:12.12 | ekcolnovkol | exam time =/= taking a break |
| 08:12.25 | XenoX | indeed |
| 08:12.40 | ekcolnovkol | and if it is |
| 08:12.45 | ekcolnovkol | something is horribly wrong < _< |
| 08:13.02 | onetwo | im one of those people |
| 08:13.09 | onetwo | that can study very last minute |
| 08:13.14 | onetwo | and do well |
| 08:13.30 | onetwo | thank god |
| 08:13.32 | onetwo | lol |
| 08:14.09 | onetwo | well, do well for me is 60-80% , just want my degree at this point |
| 08:14.19 | onetwo | cant coast like high school lol |
| 08:14.41 | onetwo | weirdly enough, in high school an A is 86%, yet for some reason in university 80% is A |
| 08:15.46 | onetwo | but it doesnt help because its like 10x harder to get the same grade as in high school |
| 08:18.07 | Vesuvius | high school is pathetic |
| 08:18.14 | Vesuvius | in terms of difficulty |
| 08:18.19 | onetwo | yeah |
| 08:18.27 | onetwo | its a shock when you go to university |
| 08:18.31 | onetwo | no more 95% |
| 08:18.44 | onetwo | but then by 4th year you realize the tricks |
| 08:18.49 | onetwo | in first year though youre like wtf |
| 08:20.32 | onetwo | i dont know about you guys in euro or US |
| 08:20.36 | onetwo | but i dont think here in canada |
| 08:20.38 | onetwo | they prepare you well enough |
| 08:20.44 | onetwo | in terms of difficulty |
| 08:27.54 | Shawn|Rawr | They don't do it here either |
| 08:28.06 | Shawn|Rawr | But I live in the state with the worst education system |
| 08:28.23 | onetwo | oh |
| 08:28.24 | onetwo | lol |
| 08:28.59 | Shawn|Rawr | Yep. You apparently don't need education if you live in Las Vegas |
| 08:30.12 | Shawn|Rawr | Interesting.. apparently I knew how to do the geyser thing before, but forgot. The assimilator and extractor already don't make geysers |
| 08:31.10 | XenoX | 86%? in my school it is 90%+ |
| 08:31.13 | XenoX | and A+ is 95%+ |
| 08:32.10 | Shawn|Rawr | Ya, in the states 90% is an A |
| 08:32.12 | XenoX | hm, this is fantastic, my attempt at making a 'natural' looking map has lead me to making what looks like a baseball stadium |
| 08:32.25 | Shawn|Rawr | SC2 baseball? |
| 08:32.27 | onetwo | lol |
| 08:32.28 | XenoX | ...at least its a 'natural' baseball stadium ;/ |
| 08:32.29 | onetwo | im in |
| 08:33.03 | Shawn|Rawr | Well have to make the pitcher go slow to make up for bnet lag |
| 08:33.08 | XenoX | lol |
| 08:33.15 | XenoX | He'll be yelling 'DAMN EVENT LAG' |
| 08:33.22 | XenoX | 'USE MOUSE FFS' |
| 08:33.34 | Shawn|Rawr | Click to hit lol |
| 08:33.44 | Shawn|Rawr | Hotkey spacebar in there |
| 08:33.46 | XenoX | is it ok to rough up terrain asymmetrically, balance wise? |
| 08:34.01 | XenoX | I just want to crinkle some edges and stuff |
| 08:34.24 | XenoX | or should I just use copy paste tool' |
| 08:34.59 | Shawn|Rawr | Haha.. I' |
| 08:35.05 | Shawn|Rawr | I've never seen that tool before |
| 08:35.09 | Shawn|Rawr | But that is so cool |
| 08:35.28 | XenoX | yes it is a godsend |
| 08:35.34 | XenoX | spacebar |
| 08:35.39 | XenoX | and select terrain |
| 08:35.47 | XenoX | then you can either rotate or flip the selected terrain |
| 08:36.06 | XenoX | or you can copy it, then press paste to get the 'paste box' and then you can flip or rotate your selection |
| 08:38.44 | Shawn|Rawr | What are you working on Xen? |
| 08:39.21 | XenoX | a spellcaster arena type map |
| 08:39.57 | XenoX | 6 heroes with 13 spells each, choose 5 per game, specialization based on the spells you choose |
| 08:40.13 | XenoX | capture energy shrines across the map which are like capture points in battlefield |
| 08:40.40 | XenoX | they regenerate your mana faster meaning you can cast more spells against the enemy |
| 08:40.47 | XenoX | basic jist of it |
| 08:41.18 | Shawn|Rawr | With some good terrain, that could be epic |
| 08:41.37 | XenoX | yeah I've finished the cliffs just about |
| 08:41.49 | XenoX | there are 3 energy shrines on either side |
| 08:41.56 | XenoX | and 3 shrines down the middle with no favouring positioning |
| 08:42.18 | XenoX | the middle shrine gives you double mana regen |
| 08:42.18 | Shawn|Rawr | How do you win? |
| 08:42.23 | XenoX | capture all the shrines |
| 08:44.30 | XenoX | my main concern right now though is how I'm going to balance all the spells and whether it will cause computers to cry at 40+ spells on the screen at a time |
| 08:44.57 | XenoX | we'll see what happens though ;p |
| 08:45.58 | XenoX | brb dinner |
| 08:58.05 | XenoX | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:05.32 | XenoX | wbu Shawn, working on anything atm? |
| 09:06.32 | Shawn|Rawr | Grocery Store War, Rush Defense, and soon a game called Offensive Strike |
| 09:06.55 | Shawn|Rawr | First one has been taking all my time for the last 3 days or so |
| 09:09.20 | XenoX | I see |
| 09:10.06 | XenoX | hey could you give me an opinion on my layout? |
| 09:10.12 | Shawn|Rawr | Terrain? |
| 09:10.20 | Shawn|Rawr | I'm not very good at that but sure |
| 09:10.43 | XenoX | yeah |
| 09:10.45 | XenoX | one sec |
| 09:12.44 | XenoX | damnit cant get this doodad to scale |
| 09:13.53 | XenoX | ok cool |
| 09:14.12 | peterpants | do any of you like turn based rpgs like.. fallout 1 or temple of elemtnal evil, ff tactics - do you think those would work multiplayer wise very well as a co-op |
| 09:14.47 | Shawn|Rawr | I think it would be good. Have you seen the video for Power Overwhelming? |
| 09:14.55 | peterpants | no |
| 09:15.09 | Shawn|Rawr | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/project-workplace/12671-introduction-power-overwhelming-galactic-gladiators/ |
| 09:16.10 | peterpants | that looks cool |
| 09:16.49 | onetwo | personally i dont like turn based stuff |
| 09:16.53 | onetwo | i like action rpg |
| 09:17.06 | onetwo | i grew up mostly after the turn based games |
| 09:17.09 | onetwo | so that may be why |
| 09:17.17 | onetwo | but for some people it may be nostalgiac so theyll seek it out |
| 09:17.19 | peterpants | lemme show you how i have mine setup atm |
| 09:17.24 | onetwo | either way youre at the mercy of a no-search popularity list |
| 09:17.46 | Shawn|Rawr | My map got somewhat popular on the no search thing |
| 09:18.33 | XenoX | k Shawn http://www.megaupload.com/?d=LT1AM7GV |
| 09:19.31 | XenoX | one thing to note, there are many 'directional' spells which will rape units going through the thin corridors, so they are not intended as a standard mode of passage |
| 09:19.47 | peterpants | what kind of map is it |
| 09:20.36 | XenoX | spellcaster arena |
| 09:20.52 | XenoX | with various energy shrines that are like 'king of the hill' |
| 09:21.29 | XenoX | type things |
| 09:23.10 | XenoX | feel free to have a look and give comments |
| 09:23.35 | XenoX | its just the terrain base at the moment |
| 09:23.44 | XenoX | planning to add doodads and terrain types and all that later |
| 09:25.15 | Shawn|Rawr | Are you missing ramps? |
| 09:25.45 | XenoX | oh yeah |
| 09:25.48 | XenoX | on the middle mini bridges |
| 09:25.55 | XenoX | didnt see that thanks |
| 09:26.10 | peterpants | looks simple enough |
| 09:26.21 | Shawn|Rawr | And there is random terrain in the top empty space |
| 09:26.23 | Shawn|Rawr | lol |
| 09:26.39 | XenoX | yeah I saw that too lol |
| 09:26.52 | XenoX | actually I made a slight error |
| 09:26.52 | Shawn|Rawr | and the ramps on the bottom mini thing are not there |
| 09:27.02 | XenoX | yeah I know I just fixed that |
| 09:27.05 | XenoX | one thing |
| 09:27.09 | XenoX | if you can just briefly draw in |
| 09:27.18 | XenoX | a wide bridge from the top and bottom 'arrow platforms' |
| 09:27.20 | XenoX | to the center |
| 09:27.30 | XenoX | just slightly thinner than the other paths |
| 09:27.38 | XenoX | (the 4 that currently meet at the center) |
| 09:27.46 | XenoX | and thats how it will look |
| 09:27.52 | Shawn|Rawr | I can draw it in with my mind |
| 09:27.54 | Shawn|Rawr | ;) |
| 09:28.12 | XenoX | lol yeah ;p |
| 09:29.00 | XenoX | so basically its like 3 bases vs. 3 bases |
| 09:29.20 | XenoX | with two platforms on the side that you either go through the middle, or risk going through the backway |
| 09:29.27 | Shawn|Rawr | layout looks good. Need to make it look really pretty |
| 09:29.32 | XenoX | yeah I will |
| 09:29.45 | XenoX | it will make your eyes come |
| 09:30.02 | Shawn|Rawr | Just like your mom? |
| 09:30.08 | Shawn|Rawr | bow chicka |
| 09:30.17 | XenoX | haha touche |
| 09:30.32 | XenoX | the only thing I'm worried about |
| 09:30.33 | peterpants | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptePaf_W36s |
| 09:30.35 | XenoX | is that it looks too stadiumy |
| 09:30.38 | XenoX | as I joked a bit earlier |
| 09:30.45 | peterpants | the quality isn't that great but tell me if you think the concept would be fun to play |
| 09:31.15 | XenoX | get out with your wc3 shit |
| 09:31.20 | XenoX | jk ;p |
| 09:31.23 | peterpants | lol |
| 09:31.59 | Shawn|Rawr | It reminds me of Quest 64 |
| 09:32.08 | Shawn|Rawr | I think that's what it was called. |
| 09:32.09 | XenoX | reminds me of ghey |
| 09:32.15 | peterpants | lol |
| 09:32.16 | XenoX | nah I dunno |
| 09:32.20 | XenoX | looks a bit off |
| 09:32.53 | peterpants | kk |
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| 09:33.13 | XenoX | actually I like the concept |
| 09:33.21 | XenoX | its just the graphics look real poor from here ;p |
| 09:33.29 | XenoX | the big move circle and stuff |
| 09:33.46 | peterpants | i dont know how else to do it atm |
| 09:33.51 | Shawn|Rawr | Ya.. if that was a cool thing like the tank circle.. and the attack one was something else |
| 09:34.04 | Shawn|Rawr | Could be cool stuff |
| 09:34.29 | XenoX | it reminds me of Next convo in 20s ;p |
| 09:39.12 | Shawn|Rawr | Damn.. I almost worked on my rush map and then you distracted me with your map. Now I don't wanna work on it |
| 09:39.20 | Shawn|Rawr | :S |
| 09:39.37 | peterpants | me? |
| 09:39.40 | peterpants | or xenox |
| 09:39.42 | Shawn|Rawr | Xen |
| 09:40.00 | Shawn|Rawr | And then the youtube made me want to go to some forum |
| 09:40.15 | peterpants | hard life |
| 09:40.16 | peterpants | lol |
| 09:40.16 | Shawn|Rawr | and now I don't wanna do anything lool |
| 09:40.54 | Shawn|Rawr | I kinda wish the map would finish itself so i can play it |
| 09:41.12 | peterpants | I know how you feel there |
| 09:44.15 | XenoX | lol sorry Shawn |
| 09:44.54 | Shawn|Rawr | No worries.. I do need ideas for my heroes though |
| 09:45.11 | Shawn|Rawr | I don't know what weapons to give Kerrigan |
| 09:49.10 | XenoX | sniper rifle? ;p |
| 09:49.24 | Shawn|Rawr | No, I gave that to Raynoe |
| 09:49.26 | Shawn|Rawr | Raynor |
| 09:49.29 | Helral|Work | meows |
| 09:49.37 | XenoX | raynor gets an assault rifle |
| 09:50.20 | Shawn|Rawr | Raynor can use rifle, sniper, and chaingun |
| 09:56.54 | Shawn|Rawr | It seems like Kerrigan is really limited in the weapons she can use due to her animation |
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| 09:57.09 | Shawn|Rawr | She's kinda stuck to blast attacks |
| 09:57.20 | Shawn|Rawr | Of which there are very few |
| 10:07.31 | XenoX | what kind of kerrigan is it |
| 10:07.39 | XenoX | infested? |
| 10:07.57 | Shawn|Rawr | There really is only one kerrigan in sc2 |
| 10:08.07 | Shawn|Rawr | the big ugly flaming one |
| 10:08.12 | XenoX | ah yeah true |
| 10:08.16 | XenoX | I keep thinking sc1 |
| 10:08.21 | Helral|Work | I know what you can use the infested kerrigan for :) |
| 10:08.38 | Helral|Work | Andariel boss for a D2 map in SC2 ;p |
| 10:08.54 | Shawn|Rawr | they do look a lot alike |
| 10:08.54 | XenoX | haha yeah true |
| 10:09.14 | Helral|Work | :) |
| 10:09.42 | Shawn|Rawr | Now I need one more weapon for kerrigan, and one for a stone zealot |
| 10:10.01 | Helral|Work | a rock for the stone zealot? ;p |
| 10:11.11 | Shawn|Rawr | Is there any cool rock models? |
| 10:12.11 | XenoX | Can ya smeeeeeeelll |
| 10:12.16 | XenoX | what the ROCK.. is cookin |
| 10:13.20 | XenoX | anyone have any ideas for what doodad I could use for 'energy wells' in my map? |
| 10:14.03 | XenoX | they are the key points on the map that you need to capture all 11 of to win |
| 10:14.26 | XenoX | and you are supposed to build 'shrines' on top of them so they shant be too big |
| 10:15.12 | Shawn|Rawr | Use the Mothership warp in thing, and have it change color depending on which team controls it |
| 10:16.51 | XenoX | hm I plan on using that for one my spells though |
| 10:17.17 | XenoX | and its a bit too epic for a mana well ;p |
| 10:18.43 | XenoX | lol there's a xel naga 'halo' doodad, how original |
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| 10:25.28 | XenoX | I guess I could use a biodome |
| 10:27.29 | XenoX | nah it looks too man made |
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| 10:29.25 | Shawn|Rawr | Cant you just use water and a staute? |
| 10:29.29 | Shawn|Rawr | statue |
| 10:30.18 | XenoX | hm I could |
| 10:32.01 | XenoX | yeah I'd need some kind of ring on the ground, to show that its a well not just a pool of water |
| 10:32.15 | XenoX | actually no I cant |
| 10:32.18 | XenoX | cause I cant build on water |
| 10:34.36 | Shawn|Rawr | Is there a layer below the water? |
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| 10:36.01 | XenoX | yeah |
| 10:36.23 | Shawn|Rawr | Build it down there and set the height to make it look like it's floating lol |
| 10:36.39 | Shawn|Rawr | Eh, maybe not. I don't know |
| 10:36.45 | XenoX | might be a bit hard |
| 10:36.51 | XenoX | I found a crater on char |
| 10:36.53 | XenoX | maybe I can tint it blue |
| 10:37.05 | XenoX | cause it glows orange in the center |
| 10:41.46 | XenoX | hm how can I tint an object? |
| 10:41.50 | XenoX | or an actor |
| 10:42.06 | Shawn|Rawr | Actor Event |
| 10:42.12 | Shawn|Rawr | UnitBirth |
| 10:42.17 | Shawn|Rawr | SetTintColoe |
| 10:42.22 | Shawn|Rawr | Color* |
| 10:42.32 | Shawn|Rawr | Or ActorCreation |
| 10:43.20 | XenoX | whats hdr multiplier |
| 10:44.01 | Shawn|Rawr | idkj |
| 10:47.17 | XenoX | well it worked but the blue tint was so full on it looked a bit ugly |
| 10:47.46 | XenoX | I'll try a lower hdr multiplier |
| 10:51.25 | XenoX | ok hdr multiplier doesnt do shit |
| 10:51.49 | Shawn|Rawr | lol |
| 10:52.23 | XenoX | hey cool the map editor shows the events + in real time |
| 10:52.35 | XenoX | thought I had to boot the game |
| 10:59.15 | XenoX | hm thats funny |
| 10:59.20 | XenoX | the lighter the tint colour, the less it tints |
| 10:59.31 | XenoX | ergo if you tint white then it doesnt tint |
| 10:59.42 | XenoX | so I can reduce the amount of blue by just going up a few shades |
| 11:03.07 | XenoX | a tint of about R: 101, G: 101, B: 255 is pretty close to how the dark protoss look |
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| 11:17.05 | XenoX | is there any way I can turn a structure to face a certain way? |
| 11:17.13 | XenoX | like make it rotatable in the editor? |
| 11:18.14 | A1win | think it's either the model or actor that has the rotation limits |
| 11:19.14 | XenoX | more specifically? ;p |
| 11:19.21 | A1win | can't remember :X |
| 11:20.13 | XenoX | aw k |
| 11:20.26 | XenoX | I can't find it :( |
| 11:20.47 | A1win | units have turnable flag too so need to enable that as well |
| 11:23.43 | XenoX | waha that was it! |
| 11:23.49 | XenoX | turnable and "can rotate" in UI flags |
| 11:24.54 | A1win | duh |
| 11:25.16 | XenoX | shuddup ;p |
| 11:26.27 | A1win | I mean I thought it was more than that :P |
| 11:27.11 | XenoX | yeah so did I |
| 11:27.15 | XenoX | good that it isn't though :D |
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| 11:55.12 | Helral|Work | meowsies |
| 12:02.18 | XenoX | hi helral |
| 12:02.45 | Helral|Work | meows |
| 12:12.55 | Dogmai | is there any way to get a player's race as a string |
| 12:12.59 | Dogmai | without doing an ifthen |
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| 12:26.00 | XenoX | is there any way to extend the length of the sc2 bridges? |
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| 12:27.32 | XenoX | the sizes they provide are rather small |
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| 12:52.44 | XenoX | quit join quit join |
| 12:52.48 | XenoX | indecisive mofos ;) |
| 13:03.47 | Helral|Work | who? |
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| 13:34.53 | XenoX | the joiners and quitters |
| 13:34.55 | XenoX | nobody specific |
| 13:35.04 | Helral|Work | meows |
| 13:35.07 | XenoX | you might be one of them though ;) |
| 13:35.15 | Helral|Work | I'm only discing ;p |
| 13:35.19 | Helral|Work | not joining/quiting ;p |
| 13:35.31 | XenoX | lol |
| 13:35.40 | Helral|Work | and only when I'm away from the pc for more then 15 mins. |
| 13:36.06 | XenoX | I see |
| 13:36.42 | XenoX | do you know of any way to extend bridges by any chance? |
| 13:36.54 | Helral|Work | how do you mean extend? |
| 13:37.15 | XenoX | make longer |
| 13:37.55 | Helral|Work | you mean visually or pathing or ...., what kind of bridge model if visual, etc. |
| 13:38.16 | XenoX | both |
| 13:38.24 | XenoX | like the monolyth light bridge |
| 13:38.31 | XenoX | or the zak'drashul or whatever |
| 13:38.48 | XenoX | they're like 12 blocks wide, need at least 15 |
| 13:39.03 | Helral|Work | you can scale it ;p if that suffices. |
| 13:39.04 | XenoX | have a feeling can only be done with model editor though |
| 13:39.54 | Helral|Work | so you can either: enlarge it to what you need or shrink it and make 2 bridges next to eachother. |
| 13:40.09 | Helral|Work | although the height might not fit then anymore. |
| 13:40.17 | XenoX | yeah |
| 13:40.25 | XenoX | 2 bridges next to eachother looks like ass |
| 13:41.24 | Helral|Work | visually you usually need to create a new model that fits what you need. (or combine existing models) |
| 13:41.56 | XenoX | nah what I need is 2 minutes with a smith & wesson and the chief blizzard designer |
| 13:42.24 | XenoX | lol ;p |
| 13:42.29 | Helral|Work | won't do you any good, having the smith&wesson pointed at you by the chief blizzard designer.... |
| 13:42.30 | XenoX | ah well |
| 13:42.38 | XenoX | haha |
| 13:43.04 | Helral|Work | I don't understand how that would improve anything..... |
| 13:43.24 | XenoX | another thing |
| 13:43.37 | XenoX | terrain looks icky when its straight |
| 13:43.54 | XenoX | except for with manmade cliffs which conveniently dont work on directly from space |
| 13:43.55 | Helral|Work | hmmm? |
| 13:44.05 | XenoX | is there any way I can make it prettier? |
| 13:44.17 | Helral|Work | you mean like with walls or like in flat? |
| 13:44.38 | XenoX | its flat terrain |
| 13:45.00 | Helral|Work | well adjust the height at some points to make it less flat ;p make it a bit hill-like orso ;p |
| 13:45.45 | XenoX | problem is its an arena map so I can only do so much with hills before it interferes with the gameplay |
| 13:46.38 | XenoX | maybe I can lay two tonnes of doodads across the edges to hide all the hideious jaggies |
| 13:46.42 | XenoX | hideous* |
| 13:46.52 | XenoX | it'll look like a freaking botanical garden |
| 13:47.01 | XenoX | but its better than how it is now |
| 13:47.04 | XenoX | it'd be* |
| 13:47.35 | Helral|Work | throw in some bushes etc. |
| 13:48.04 | XenoX | I still prefer the smith & wesson idea ;) |
| 13:48.28 | Helral|Work | hmmmm so you prefer that the blizzard fella points a smith&wesson at you.... |
| 13:48.32 | Helral|Work | weird fella. |
| 13:49.09 | XenoX | lol |
| 13:49.17 | XenoX | are you working on any maps these days helral? |
| 13:49.38 | Helral|Work | still doing something from time to time on my RDM. |
| 13:49.42 | Helral|Work | not much though. |
| 13:50.01 | XenoX | rdm? |
| 13:50.09 | Helral|Work | Random Dungeon Map. |
| 13:50.33 | XenoX | details? |
| 13:51.04 | Helral|Work | it's on sc2mapster.com . |
| 13:51.16 | XenoX | ah ok |
| 13:51.43 | XenoX | sry didnt mean to be rude, its late here |
| 13:52.03 | Helral|Work | I'm at work here :) |
| 13:52.24 | XenoX | fair point :p |
| 13:54.46 | XenoX | my central passage ways look like hex wrenches |
| 13:55.03 | XenoX | the ramps at each end make the terrain form a "U" shape around them |
| 13:55.17 | XenoX | and the ramps are stone while the bridge is sand, making the bridge stand out |
| 13:55.29 | XenoX | so its like |
| 13:55.30 | XenoX | U |
| 13:55.31 | XenoX | | |
| 13:55.45 | XenoX | andthen an upside down U |
| 13:56.20 | XenoX | clearly this is vital information to post on the IRC channel here |
| 13:59.35 | XenoX | so am I a one man show here or what |
| 14:04.21 | Helral|Work | meows |
| 14:05.10 | XenoX | one and a half then ;p |
| 14:06.11 | Helral|Work | so what kind of map is it? |
| 14:06.35 | XenoX | I should really get a project page going, third or fourth time repeating myself today ;p |
| 14:06.40 | Helral|Work | :P |
| 14:06.45 | Helral|Work | well get a project page then. |
| 14:06.55 | Helral|Work | I've got it for my stuff. ;p |
| 14:07.02 | XenoX | its a spellcaster arena with 11 energy shrines across the map |
| 14:07.11 | XenoX | you capture them all to win, and they regenerate your mana as a bonus |
| 14:07.41 | XenoX | you have a choice of 6 heroes with 13 skills each, but you can only choose 5 per game, however you get bonus stats based on the 5 that you choose |
| 14:11.08 | XenoX | should be pretty fun, albeit tedious to make |
| 14:11.25 | Helral|Work | hmmmm |
| 14:11.29 | Helral|Work | how many players? |
| 14:11.47 | XenoX | up to 7v7 |
| 14:11.56 | Helral|Work | ah teams ;p |
| 14:12.22 | XenoX | yep |
| 14:12.40 | XenoX | and the spellcasters work with eachother, each class fulfills a certain 'role' |
| 14:13.12 | Helral|Work | task of the tanks: being ignored by the rest :) |
| 14:15.49 | XenoX | lol |
| 14:16.17 | XenoX | I've got a Mage, Summoner, Conjurer, Wizard and Enchantress |
| 14:16.20 | XenoX | actually its 5 heroes, my bad |
| 14:16.51 | XenoX | Mage deals with warping spells, displacing the enemy units and impeding their advances |
| 14:17.01 | XenoX | Summoner is a micro spellcaster |
| 14:17.18 | XenoX | Conjurer can conjure buildings, traps and explosives |
| 14:17.39 | XenoX | Wizard is your direct damage dealing spellcaster, fireball and all that |
| 14:17.42 | Helral|Work | lol 7 conjurers :) |
| 14:17.48 | XenoX | Enchantress is a healer spellcaster |
| 14:17.50 | Helral|Work | entire field filled with traps. |
| 14:18.09 | XenoX | yeah I'm trying to figure how to balance it |
| 14:18.48 | Helral|Work | is there also a pacifist spellcaster? |
| 14:19.02 | XenoX | well thats what the Enchantress is like |
| 14:19.11 | Helral|Work | lol |
| 14:19.19 | Helral|Work | no offensive capabilities for the enchantress? |
| 14:19.20 | XenoX | she predominantly heals |
| 14:19.24 | XenoX | well she can |
| 14:19.30 | Helral|Work | aha so not a pacifist. |
| 14:19.31 | XenoX | but she can specialize in healing |
| 14:19.33 | XenoX | which is her main |
| 14:19.36 | XenoX | lol |
| 14:19.48 | Helral|Work | ever played enfo's? |
| 14:20.17 | XenoX | yeah |
| 14:20.23 | Helral|Work | ever played the empath? |
| 14:20.47 | XenoX | yeah lol |
| 14:20.57 | Helral|Work | well that's a pacifist. |
| 14:22.04 | Helral|Work | I had a 1v1 match ones which I had to give up on right after picking a random hero. |
| 14:22.09 | Helral|Work | once* |
| 14:22.16 | XenoX | lol |
| 14:22.23 | XenoX | thats hilarious |
| 14:22.28 | Helral|Work | 1v1 with the empath.... |
| 14:22.36 | Helral|Work | great...... |
| 14:22.40 | XenoX | haha |
| 14:22.57 | Helral|Work | I'd even be able to get kills with the empath though. |
| 14:23.16 | Helral|Work | it would only take so long that I'd already have lost. |
| 14:23.28 | Helral|Work | too many units would be spawned at that time. |
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| 14:24.15 | Helral|Work | the hypnotist is quite funny for 1v1 or 2v2 ;p |
| 14:24.26 | XenoX | never played him |
| 14:24.36 | Helral|Work | he can boost stats. |
| 14:25.12 | Helral|Work | ever played Uther? can't remember the unit's name in enfo's. |
| 14:25.36 | Ashamed | good morning |
| 14:25.38 | Helral|Work | weaponsmith orso. |
| 14:25.41 | Helral|Work | good afternoon. |
| 14:27.11 | XenoX | yeah I think so |
| 14:27.47 | Helral|Work | his attack is really really really slow., right? |
| 14:28.08 | XenoX | yeah |
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| 14:28.26 | Helral|Work | try playing him with the hypnotist boosting his stats. |
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| 14:28.41 | Helral|Work | he really doesn't need many items to boost attackspeed then. |
| 14:28.52 | XenoX | I see |
| 14:29.37 | Helral|Work | another nice combo is that manashield fella. the TFT-human additional unit with mana burn. |
| 14:29.41 | Helral|Work | with the trader. |
| 14:30.03 | Helral|Work | in some versions you can create an infinite mana shield. untill the skellies come. |
| 14:30.23 | Helral|Work | at the skellies the trader needs to bomb them with his caravan. |
| 14:33.23 | XenoX | yeah |
| 14:33.29 | XenoX | he sucks late game though |
| 14:33.41 | Helral|Work | the trader? |
| 14:33.50 | XenoX | nah the |
| 14:33.52 | XenoX | manashield guy |
| 14:33.56 | Helral|Work | not really. |
| 14:34.06 | Helral|Work | he has a huge splash radius. |
| 14:34.25 | Helral|Work | and you just give him 2 wood mana regen items, 4 wood dmg items. |
| 14:34.36 | Helral|Work | don't know their names, but that does the trick :) |
| 14:34.57 | Helral|Work | since the trader get's a lot of wood he can buy the stuff :) |
| 14:36.08 | XenoX | I see |
| 14:36.19 | XenoX | haven't played enfos in ages, last time was in 2003 or something |
| 14:42.31 | Helral|Work | last time for me was uhm.... |
| 14:43.11 | Helral|Work | long ago ;p |
| 14:43.18 | Helral|Work | I just played it often back then. |
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| 14:48.44 | XenoX | yeah |
| 14:59.01 | Helral|Work | meows |
| 15:07.41 | XenoX | I'm off, night Helral |
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| 15:12.34 | Tordy | hey thre guys |
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| 15:18.27 | A1win | does unit highlight events generate much network traffic? |
| 15:21.52 | A1win | err... can unselectable units even be highlighted? |
| 15:23.09 | A1win | or maybe it's because of untargetable... |
| 15:23.25 | A1win | uh... nope |
| 15:23.54 | A1win | oh |
| 15:24.08 | A1win | maybe it's because I turn its highlightable state off >_> why'd I do that since it already was... |
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| 15:32.44 | DarkRevenant | finals |
| 15:32.46 | DarkRevenant | time |
| 15:33.05 | DarkRevenant | ~suicide |
| 15:33.05 | purl | ACTION kills herself Juliet style, after seeing darkrevenant commit suicide |
| 16:01.43 | Vail | any one actively here? |
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| 16:04.55 | Helral|Work | meows |
| 16:05.10 | Vail | hello |
| 16:05.31 | Helral|Work | looks at Vail with his cute kitten eyes. |
| 16:05.44 | Vail | lol |
| 16:05.50 | Helral|Work | meows |
| 16:07.38 | Vail | i will be back later folks its time to restart my machine |
| 16:10.19 | Helral|Work | meows |
| 16:10.29 | Helral|Work | RodOfNOD you there? |
| 16:12.55 | Helral|Work | guess nod |
| 16:13.01 | Helral|Work | not* ;p |
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| 16:25.09 | aFlyingChicken | ugh im totally stuck! |
| 16:25.54 | aFlyingChicken | anyone around that might be able to help with effects? |
| 16:29.29 | Obatztrara | whats the problem aFlyingChicken? |
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| 16:37.56 | Helral | meows |
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| 16:38.34 | Clord | meow meow |
| 16:39.17 | Obatztrara | Hey Helral :| |
| 16:44.49 | A1win | is there a limit how many custom values a unit can have? |
| 16:45.17 | Clord | well I assume integer limit what is typically in every computer |
| 16:45.18 | Clord | ^^ |
| 16:46.04 | A1win | well you can set the index from 0 to 1 billion, but can a unti really have 1 billion and 1 real values stored to it? :P |
| 16:46.56 | A1win | hmm |
| 16:47.00 | A1win | apparently it can go negative too |
| 16:47.04 | A1win | so 2 billion and 1 |
| 16:47.04 | A1win | :P |
| 16:47.50 | A1win | oh well I only need like 35 per unit anyway |
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| 17:12.03 | EternalWraith | ffs |
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| 17:43.45 | Clord | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah |
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| 18:15.29 | A1win | normally a map can fit 64 32x32 areas... with my warp transitions, I can fit a 180x160 sized city and something like 100-500 32x32 sized indoor areas :3 |
| 18:16.19 | A1win | theoretically even more but probably not worth the generation times |
| 18:17.10 | A1win | though units indoors are scaled 200% so it feels a bit smaller than 32x32 |
| 18:17.19 | A1win | but makes the walls look less fat |
| 18:17.43 | A1win | and vision work better |
| 18:18.24 | A1win | (I could make walls "look" less fat with normal scale too but vision is only calculated based on 1x1 squares) |
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| 18:37.51 | Clord | head hurt like hell |
| 18:37.53 | Clord | ^^ |
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| 19:17.33 | Vail | hello people i am back |
| 19:17.50 | Vail | wait no no in not later |
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| 19:21.43 | Tordy | the popularity hasnt updated in months |
| 19:21.48 | Tordy | on sc2mapster, can you just get rid of it |
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| 19:33.29 | Tordy | MA ENEMY |
| 19:33.43 | Vail | who? |
| 19:36.19 | Tordy | hi Vail |
| 19:36.55 | Vail | hello |
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| 19:51.39 | Skizot | yo |
| 19:54.19 | Tordy | aint nothin but a g-thang |
| 19:55.56 | Stewox | does anybody know if total conversion mods can be played online if both players have the mod officially ? |
| 19:56.08 | Stewox | like for example , UI menus custom , etc ... |
| 20:01.38 | nicoli_s | im not sure if anyone has published any info on full tests like that, but i would hope so |
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| 20:09.43 | wOlfLinG | Best trolling ever: http://i.imgur.com/rOps7.jpg |
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| 20:12.44 | nicoli_s | lol that is pretty good |
| 20:12.50 | Skizot | yo |
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| 20:13.41 | Tordy | It's complicated |
| 20:14.42 | nicoli_s | yo skizot |
| 20:14.56 | Tordy | sup |
| 20:18.37 | nicoli_s | Skizot:managed to get the logic of handling turns and game over into the game |
| 20:18.54 | Skizot | and my art? |
| 20:19.05 | Skizot | code is "blah blah blah this moves now" to me. |
| 20:19.08 | nicoli_s | i need to be at work to work on 3ds max |
| 20:19.16 | Skizot | i wanna know "did i make it pretty yet?" |
| 20:19.29 | nicoli_s | the main menu is, just need to hook in that font today |
| 20:19.56 | Tordy | now what |
| 20:19.58 | Tordy | wher'e otixa!? |
| 20:20.10 | Skizot | you need the font? |
| 20:20.28 | Skizot | or i COULD make pngs for you. |
| 20:20.32 | Skizot | so they have the shading. |
| 20:20.43 | nicoli_s | either way is fine with me |
| 20:21.01 | nicoli_s | the text needed if you make the images are New Game, Load Game, Credits, and Exit |
| 20:21.29 | Skizot | lol i still have my menu mockup :P |
| 20:26.37 | Tordy | hi Skizot |
| 20:26.45 | Tordy | nicoli_s: what happened to vjeux |
| 20:30.56 | Skizot | uploaded nic |
| 20:33.06 | Skizot | test? |
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| 20:34.45 | nolliepoper | forgot how to add a cooldown to an ability and use the circle timer around the button anyone remember? |
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| 20:38.50 | Skizot | nicoli_s |
| 20:39.01 | Skizot | they are uploaded |
| 20:41.44 | nicoli_s | thx Skizot |
| 20:41.54 | nicoli_s | Tordy:vjeux has been busy working on a few other things |
| 20:42.00 | Tordy | :[ |
| 20:42.08 | nicoli_s | he inherited a bunch of responsibilites at mmo-champion.com |
| 20:42.23 | nicoli_s | and since that site gets millions upons millions of viewers, hes badly needed there atm |
| 20:45.38 | Tordy | i miss vjeux :p |
| 20:45.39 | Tordy | :[ |
| 20:45.45 | Tordy | also miss otixa |
| 20:46.33 | Skizot | isn't otixa that twit who did tthe modcastforge things? |
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| 20:50.15 | Obatztrara | sooo anyone wanna help test an orpg on bnet? (EU) |
| 20:55.16 | Obatztrara | anyone? .< |
| 20:55.21 | Tordy | how do you make a list datastructure in sc2 |
| 20:55.34 | Tordy | something where you can remove or add elements to |
| 20:55.43 | Tordy | and retrieve |
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| 20:56.35 | Tordy | hi there |
| 21:28.29 | Vail | come on people lets liven this place up Party Yeah! |
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| 21:32.48 | Skizot | shoosh |
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| 21:47.55 | Doom | hi gus |
| 21:47.59 | Doom | guys* |
| 21:49.35 | Doom | any 1 here know how to convert a .mdx (wow model) to a .m3 (Starcraft 2 model) without the model viewer? i serched evrywhere on sc2mapster plzzz help me i beg you!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 21:49.52 | Skizot | batman can do it. |
| 21:50.04 | Skizot | and mdx is warcraft 3 |
| 21:50.07 | Skizot | wow is m2 |
| 21:50.20 | Doom | oh |
| 21:50.33 | Doom | deathwing is .mdx |
| 21:50.45 | Doom | and he is the cata boss |
| 21:51.00 | Skizot | he uses the war3 model. |
| 21:51.34 | Doom | o,o |
| 21:51.45 | Doom | anyway wheres batman |
| 21:51.45 | Skizot | alot of cata does |
| 21:51.47 | Doom | Q.Q |
| 21:51.53 | Doom | i looked everywhere |
| 21:51.54 | Skizot | save time on having to make new stuff |
| 21:51.55 | Doom | xD |
| 21:53.07 | Doom | cuse i have 3dsmax but when i get to the sc2 shader spot i get confused because i dont know which goes under what like the normal map ect... |
| 21:53.41 | Skizot | should be just a diffuse. |
| 21:53.41 | Doom | what texture do i put under the normal map and diffuse and spec |
| 21:53.54 | Skizot | deathwings texture? |
| 21:53.57 | Doom | even if it has 3 textures |
| 21:54.09 | Doom | i talking about hell dragon |
| 21:54.13 | Skizot | you need 3 materials then |
| 21:54.19 | nolliepoper | :s |
| 21:54.22 | Skizot | i know who the fuu deathwing is. |
| 21:54.41 | nolliepoper | :S |
| 21:55.32 | Doom | the three textures are Helldragonskin1.blp Helldragonskin2.blp and Helldragonskin3.blp |
| 21:55.37 | nolliepoper | wow sounds like nerdy stuff |
| 21:55.52 | Doom | i mean what the hell which is the normal map |
| 21:55.54 | Doom | xD |
| 21:55.57 | Skizot | NONE |
| 21:56.06 | Skizot | they are 3 diffuse maps |
| 21:56.17 | Doom | o,,,,,,,o |
| 21:56.29 | nolliepoper | why would anyone want to ruin a sc game with wow features |
| 21:56.36 | nolliepoper | :S |
| 21:57.10 | Doom | lol\ |
| 21:57.28 | Doom | are u sure none of them are diffuse |
| 21:57.30 | Doom | or spec |
| 21:57.32 | Doom | ? |
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| 21:59.36 | nolliepoper | Â â² |
| 21:59.37 | nolliepoper | â² â² |
| 22:00.08 | nolliepoper | Doom can you do that? cool kids can. |
| 22:00.13 | Doom | no |
| 22:00.18 | Doom | im not cool like u |
| 22:00.20 | Doom | xD |
| 22:00.35 | nolliepoper | I thought your goal was to be cool |
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| 22:00.38 | Bibendus|AFK | is now away - Reason : Auto-Away after 30 minutes |
| 22:00.47 | Skizot | anyone know of a topdown movement code system that DOESN'T suck? |
| 22:01.19 | nolliepoper | yes skizot |
| 22:01.40 | nolliepoper | quickly, we must calibrate the algorithm matrix |
| 22:02.49 | Doom | nollie |
| 22:02.57 | Doom | my goal is to help people |
| 22:03.07 | Doom | and to collect models |
| 22:03.13 | Doom | as my sercert goal |
| 22:03.17 | nolliepoper | syncronized cubics work with a mulitdimensional array |
| 22:03.27 | Doom | i collect and give cridt |
| 22:03.32 | nolliepoper | Skizot npnp |
| 22:04.17 | nolliepoper | @Doom, you just asked a bunch of wow question then told me your help people. |
| 22:04.32 | Skizot | ? |
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| 22:05.09 | nolliepoper | just calibrate the algorithm matrix with a multidimensional array, work very quick though |
| 22:05.42 | nolliepoper | np skizot |
| 22:06.24 | Doom | lol |
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| 22:06.32 | Doom | i dont know everything |
| 22:06.49 | Doom | and im just as much of a memeber as you are |
| 22:06.59 | Doom | im learning to help |
| 22:07.04 | Doom | xD |
| 22:08.05 | Demonette | hi Doom by the way |
| 22:08.14 | Doom | h |
| 22:08.18 | Doom | hi |
| 22:08.25 | Doom | demonette thanks for sayn hi |
| 22:09.04 | Demonette | ... |
| 22:09.15 | nolliepoper | I has to create 36 full blown custom dialog healthbars inside a multidimensional array with different positions according to players FLM and wut do? |
| 22:10.23 | nolliepoper | sonoma FML |
| 22:11.01 | nolliepoper | this is why I lose interest and motivation, takes a long time to roll solo on maps |
| 22:11.36 | nolliepoper | Doom come in vent so I can rage at you then leave please? |
| 22:12.23 | Doom | lol |
| 22:12.26 | Doom | ok nollie |
| 22:12.41 | nolliepoper | ima yell and cuss you sure you can handle? |
| 22:12.49 | nolliepoper | :S lol... |
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| 22:14.59 | nolliepoper | damn packet sniffers |
| 22:16.11 | nolliepoper | stop using packet sniffers you sonoma... |
| 22:21.30 | Doom | lol |
| 22:21.41 | Doom | im not usen no pocket sniffers |
| 22:21.43 | Doom | lol |
| 22:22.17 | Skizot | i just need my topdown to not be able to WALK OFF CLIFFS |
| 22:27.06 | Xaragoth | slaps Demonette around a bit with a large trout |
| 22:29.32 | Vail | bah.. |
| 22:37.51 | Doom | lol |
| 22:41.48 | Clord | >_> |
| 22:42.07 | Demonette | Aua Xaragoth |
| 22:42.47 | Clord | I dod today use Dungeon Finder to actually join to random Cataclysm Dungeon..... |
| 22:43.09 | Clord | naturally party sucked first but whiners who was themeselves bad left so better ones replaced them |
| 22:45.30 | Clord | this of course can rather easily lead to dungeon like maps |
| 22:45.37 | Clord | five guys in SCII setting.... lol |
| 22:47.06 | Doom | any 1 here know how to convert a .mdx (wow model) to a .m3 (Starcraft 2 model) without the model viewer? |
| 22:47.08 | Skizot | how would i create a donut region? |
| 22:47.33 | Shawn|Rawr | Create two shapes in the region and make one negative |
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| 22:47.45 | Shawn|Rawr | skizot |
| 22:47.57 | Skizot | but i need ANOTHER region in the middle og that for the spawn. |
| 22:48.22 | Shawn|Rawr | What do you mean? |
| 22:48.57 | Skizot | think target logo. |
| 22:49.44 | Shawn|Rawr | Then make a second region |
| 22:49.59 | Shawn|Rawr | Or do you need it all to be one region? |
| 22:50.23 | Skizot | well... two would be fine. |
| 22:50.26 | Doom | any 1 here know how to convert a .mdx (wow model) to a .m3 (Starcraft 2 model) without the model viewer? bump |
| 22:50.32 | Skizot | i dunno |
| 22:52.15 | Shawn|Rawr | Nope. The negative overtakes the positive |
| 22:52.28 | Doom | brb |
| 22:52.34 | Shawn|Rawr | So you'd have to make one Region with two shapes to make the donut, then make a second region for the spawn |
| 22:53.40 | Skizot | how do i make one region with two shapes? |
| 22:53.48 | Motive | :O |
| 22:54.35 | Shawn|Rawr | Make the first circle, then double click on the region |
| 22:54.40 | Shawn|Rawr | It brings up a box |
| 22:54.57 | Shawn|Rawr | Duplicate the shape, set the values, then check the negative box |
| 22:55.21 | Skizot | awesome! |
| 22:55.25 | Skizot | thanks :) |
| 22:55.58 | Shawn|Rawr | Regions are kinda hard to work with though, so I recommend only using them when you have to :) |
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| 23:17.06 | Vail | bother |
| 23:17.16 | Shawn|Rawr | I want more cliff heights.. |
| 23:17.20 | Shawn|Rawr | :S |
| 23:17.24 | Vail | yes that would be nice |
| 23:18.03 | Shawn|Rawr | I don't NEED them, but at least one more would be nice |
| 23:18.10 | Vail | yes. |
| 23:18.32 | Vail | i cant wait for the next patch all of the new data tooltips are going to be so nice |
| 23:26.25 | Vail | silence.. |
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| 23:29.14 | ThunderLord | Hey guys does anyone have any idea on how i might go about adding a custom sound to my game????? |
| 23:29.18 | ThunderLord | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:29.59 | Vail | i believe so yes |
| 23:30.39 | ThunderLord | how would i change a regular sound file in to SC2 language? |
| 23:31.10 | ThunderLord | is there a special converter i need? before starcraft ive never herd of .ogg |
| 23:31.19 | Vail | you want to convert it to ogg just a sec |
| 23:31.27 | ThunderLord | cool |
| 23:32.22 | Vail | what OS are you running? |
| 23:34.24 | Vail | if you are using windows then you can get a program called Audacity wich can convert wav to ogg and if you get the lame plug in you can import mp3 as well |
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| 23:36.37 | Xapti | users can't use the command card if the default GUI is removed, right? |
| 23:36.43 | Xapti | hotkeys i mean |
| 23:36.49 | Xapti | hotkeys from the command card |
| 23:37.10 | A1win | yep |
| 23:37.15 | Stewox | hello |
| 23:37.21 | Xapti | that's pretty crappy |
| 23:37.26 | Stewox | can somebody explain what are game attributes ? |
| 23:37.38 | Vail | Thunderlord what OS do you have? |
| 23:37.52 | ThunderLord | XP |
| 23:38.18 | Vail | and what type of file do you want to convert from? |
| 23:38.40 | Stewox | game attributes , what are they for ? |
| 23:38.47 | ThunderLord | Preferably Itunes weird file type, i know dealing with that is kinda funky tho |
| 23:38.48 | Stewox | in a mod , or map |
| 23:39.15 | ThunderLord | AAC audio stufz |
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| 23:39.22 | Stewox | seems like for bnet lobby |
| 23:41.36 | Xapti | i don't thing attributes work yet maybe |
| 23:42.12 | Stewox | oh i was just examing around ... |
| 23:42.50 | Stewox | anyone has ide how to make a proper dependency for TC mod |
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| 23:43.11 | Stewox | is modifing of battle.net. mpq even allowed ? |
| 23:43.26 | Stewox | you clearly can't upload mods i guess |
| 23:43.30 | Sixen | What's up |
| 23:43.31 | Vail | ok ThunderLord i think you will want to get the Beta of Audacity 1.3.12 or higher if they have one and get the ffMpeg plugin |
| 23:43.48 | ThunderLord | okay |
| 23:44.13 | Vail | that should let you bring in and edit an aac and export as an ogg |
| 23:45.31 | Jum-Jum | any of you guys experienced with livestreaming? |
| 23:45.41 | Jum-Jum | I wanna know which ones the best out of livestream, justin and ustream |
| 23:50.29 | Stewox | anyways , for a total conversion mod i will have to open up all the other core and base mpqs for getting a base to edit , but can that be put to a single MPQ dependency so i can then apply it to a map , and publish the mod with the map but that's an alternative ... there are tons of maps but of course not already built so this is like a short term alternative , plus the 10 megabyte limit , i would guess that's really not enough fo |
| 23:51.22 | Vail | Stewox i dont understand what you mean |
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| 23:53.03 | Tordy | DICK BUTT |
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