| 00:00.04 | nevjmac | or do it by triggers |
| 00:00.16 | Kueken | ? |
| 00:00.20 | Kueken | like stated |
| 00:00.24 | Kueken | use 1 big set effect |
| 00:00.43 | Kueken | use this effect on all units and for all levels |
| 00:00.51 | Kueken | not that much work at all |
| 00:01.09 | nevjmac | what I meant was making an issue order for them all seperatly |
| 00:01.13 | nevjmac | I can't do it in one issue order |
| 00:01.31 | Kueken | that seems to be the case |
| 00:01.39 | nevjmac | right :)\ |
| 00:01.50 | Kueken | but well, ts the data editor |
| 00:02.05 | Kueken | be happy if you can do such a simple thing in only 10 effects! |
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| 00:02.57 | nevjmac | lol I wish.... I have to make 10 behaviours to do an expiration effect to issue order them to all unburrow so there is 20, plus another 10 to issue order to burrow. so 30 and then a search area and a set |
| 00:03.02 | nevjmac | thats 32 >.> |
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| 00:03.27 | Kueken | still quite few ^^ |
| 00:03.41 | Kueken | why 10 behaviors? |
| 00:03.44 | FockeWulf | so what happens when you max out the upload limit ? |
| 00:03.45 | nevjmac | I'm probably going to have to make validators too to make sure the right behaviours go on the right units |
| 00:03.46 | Te3-BloodyIron | Is there an Action where I can dump the position of a unit into a point variable? |
| 00:03.57 | FockeWulf | yes |
| 00:03.58 | FockeWulf | there is |
| 00:04.08 | Kueken | set variable = position of unit? |
| 00:04.12 | nevjmac | because the behaviours will have a different expiration effect to make them unburrow |
| 00:04.14 | FockeWulf | set var (point) = Positin of unit |
| 00:04.19 | Kueken | why? |
| 00:04.29 | Kueken | use 1 big set effect |
| 00:04.34 | nevjmac | cause I only want them to burrow temporairly not forever |
| 00:04.45 | Kueken | issue all units 10 burrow orders |
| 00:04.53 | Te3-BloodyIron | FockeWulf: I think that will work, lol, thanks! |
| 00:04.56 | Kueken | they will only be able to use the one they have |
| 00:05.08 | Te3-BloodyIron | and Kueken too |
| 00:05.11 | Kueken | so you have only 1 behavior for all units |
| 00:05.24 | nevjmac | lol the burrow is named differently for each unit |
| 00:05.29 | nevjmac | its not one large burrow ability |
| 00:05.33 | nevjmac | its all seperate |
| 00:05.35 | Kueken | who cares? |
| 00:05.40 | Kueken | you make |
| 00:05.41 | Kueken | 10 |
| 00:05.43 | Kueken | different |
| 00:05.48 | Kueken | issue order effects |
| 00:05.51 | Kueken | then |
| 00:05.54 | Kueken | 1 set effect |
| 00:05.59 | FockeWulf | I |
| 00:05.59 | FockeWulf | can |
| 00:06.00 | Kueken | put all 10 issue |
| 00:06.01 | FockeWulf | type |
| 00:06.03 | FockeWulf | one |
| 00:06.04 | Kueken | in the set |
| 00:06.04 | FockeWulf | line |
| 00:06.04 | FockeWulf | at |
| 00:06.05 | FockeWulf | a |
| 00:06.06 | FockeWulf | time |
| 00:06.07 | FockeWulf | too |
| 00:06.09 | nevjmac | the one behaviour can't tick of 10 different issure order effects |
| 00:06.14 | Lilianna | thats one word, not one line |
| 00:06.20 | Kueken | thats what the set effect is for |
| 00:06.23 | Lilianna | nevjmac, you can tick on set at a time |
| 00:06.29 | Lilianna | that can have any number of effects in it |
| 00:06.36 | Bibendus|AFK | a woman! |
| 00:06.36 | Bibendus | is no longer away : Gone for 1 hour 4 minutes 28 seconds |
| 00:06.39 | Bibendus | maybe |
| 00:06.42 | Bibendus | xD |
| 00:06.44 | nevjmac | ... OH make the expiration effect a set not an issure order |
| 00:06.45 | Lilianna | o.o |
| 00:06.58 | Bibendus | sry I'm a nerd |
| 00:07.02 | Bibendus | normal nerd reaction |
| 00:07.03 | Kueken | bibendus: dont remind her ;) |
| 00:07.04 | Lilianna | :p |
| 00:07.07 | nevjmac | is that what your getting at? |
| 00:07.12 | Lilianna | yes |
| 00:07.15 | Kueken | yep |
| 00:07.17 | Kueken | finally |
| 00:07.18 | Kueken | ! |
| 00:07.20 | nevjmac | :D you could have just said |
| 00:07.21 | nevjmac | shesh |
| 00:07.24 | nevjmac | :P lol |
| 00:07.25 | FockeWulf | hang on what part of the world is on here right now? |
| 00:07.28 | Lilianna | I have not tried to issue an order of an ability a unit doesnt have |
| 00:07.32 | Lilianna | I figure it would just fail |
| 00:07.33 | Bibendus | can i show you how i'm good with triggering to conquer you? |
| 00:07.34 | nevjmac | AUSTRALIA! |
| 00:07.39 | Bibendus | xD |
| 00:07.43 | Kueken | lilianna: it fails |
| 00:07.48 | Kueken | i tried already |
| 00:07.51 | Lilianna | Im not on the world, Im on the moon |
| 00:07.54 | Lilianna | no error? |
| 00:08.09 | Kueken | not that I am aware of |
| 00:08.22 | Bibendus | u cant issue order of unexisting abilities xD |
| 00:08.31 | Bibendus | but you can cast effects of abilities that units don't have |
| 00:08.31 | Kueken | you can ^^ |
| 00:08.32 | nevjmac | thats why I was goign to have different behaviours do order different commands to different types of units |
| 00:08.36 | Kueken | ah |
| 00:08.37 | nevjmac | I was taking the extreme approach |
| 00:08.38 | Kueken | k |
| 00:08.39 | nevjmac | lol |
| 00:08.41 | FockeWulf | meh, anymore for a lot of my stuff i have to use triggers to trigger a bunch of effects and behaviors and have a dummy order on the unit >.> |
| 00:08.43 | Bibendus | you would create a black hole doing it! |
| 00:08.45 | Kueken | thats what I meant |
| 00:08.49 | Bibendus | lolz |
| 00:08.53 | Bibendus | quite different ;) |
| 00:08.53 | FockeWulf | i mean dummy ability on the unit |
| 00:08.54 | FockeWulf | >.< |
| 00:08.56 | Bibendus | issue order is another trigger |
| 00:09.14 | Bibendus | why should u use a dummy unit with an ability that casts an effect |
| 00:09.23 | Bibendus | when you can directly create the effect from the original unit? :D |
| 00:09.27 | FockeWulf | Anyone know how to make it so you can use a button to revive a hero and NOT lose its level or items? |
| 00:09.35 | nevjmac | focke |
| 00:09.37 | FockeWulf | and also why splash damage destroys items on a hero? |
| 00:09.43 | nevjmac | check "infested arena map" |
| 00:09.47 | nevjmac | its uploaded to sc2mapster |
| 00:09.53 | nevjmac | he has a hero revive abilty for the incapitated |
| 00:10.04 | Kueken | fockewulf call the revive unit function? |
| 00:10.32 | FockeWulf | well the one in the date editor is broken kueken and there is no function like that in the trigger editor |
| 00:10.33 | Kueken | and the splash damage needs to filter out items in this case ;) |
| 00:10.42 | Kueken | there is |
| 00:10.44 | Kueken | I use it |
| 00:10.48 | Kueken | and it works fine |
| 00:10.53 | FockeWulf | let me guess you have to custom script it? |
| 00:11.01 | Kueken | oh well, I use galaxy script, though |
| 00:11.04 | nevjmac | LOL |
| 00:11.04 | Bibendus | now |
| 00:11.06 | Bibendus | i m showing |
| 00:11.09 | Bibendus | some new screenshootz |
| 00:11.50 | nevjmac | @kueken the expiration effect, who should I be placing the buff on originaly |
| 00:12.45 | Kueken | ? |
| 00:13.01 | nevjmac | the buff thats goign to expire and run the set to unburrow |
| 00:13.07 | Kueken | on the unit you want to burrow I guess? |
| 00:13.29 | Kueken | or what do you mean |
| 00:13.42 | nevjmac | ok there is possibly going to be maybe up to 50 units being ordered to burrow over the length of the ability maybe more |
| 00:14.01 | Kueken | yes, just add a buff to each of them |
| 00:14.18 | Bibendus | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/project-workplace/11150-dungeon-keeper-proof-of-concept/?page=8#p144 |
| 00:14.21 | nevjmac | and they will all do a search around them and order units to unburrow |
| 00:14.24 | Kueken | effect - initial -> burrow, effect - final -> unburrow |
| 00:14.33 | Kueken | o_0 |
| 00:14.50 | Kueken | you buff units to order other units to burrow? |
| 00:15.11 | nevjmac | hmmm ok |
| 00:15.26 | Kueken | that was a question |
| 00:15.29 | nevjmac | how to explain this |
| 00:15.31 | nevjmac | yea hang on lol |
| 00:15.35 | Kueken | ;) |
| 00:15.54 | Kueken | slap me when rdy |
| 00:16.33 | Bibendus | noone looking my dk map :( |
| 00:16.35 | nevjmac | the ability is going to order all units in an area around the unit to burrow, they will burrow for a set time the unburrow, this is going to be like an aura for a duration so he can move and order new units to burrow, after the aura finishes the units will unburrow |
| 00:16.36 | Bibendus | cry cry |
| 00:16.39 | nevjmac | I'm looking bibendus |
| 00:16.40 | Bibendus | ill brush my theeths then |
| 00:16.42 | Bibendus | xD |
| 00:16.43 | Bibendus | tx i love u |
| 00:16.53 | Bibendus | kizz |
| 00:17.04 | Bibendus | the video will sure be better |
| 00:17.06 | nevjmac | lol what am I looking at in particular though |
| 00:17.09 | nevjmac | how does one slap |
| 00:17.15 | PointBlank | woot |
| 00:17.19 | Bibendus | right click |
| 00:17.24 | Bibendus | teeths now! |
| 00:17.26 | PointBlank | nevjmac it was u i was talking to yesterday right |
| 00:17.37 | nevjmac | slaps Kueken around a bit with a large trout |
| 00:17.40 | nevjmac | :D |
| 00:17.55 | nevjmac | you did talk to me at some point point XD |
| 00:17.58 | Kueken | isn't that supposed to make a sound? |
| 00:18.06 | PointBlank | -> the hide/show abilities thing |
| 00:18.08 | PointBlank | i know what the bug is |
| 00:18.21 | PointBlank | dunno how if/i should report to blizz |
| 00:18.33 | nevjmac | nah put it in our bug section on mapster |
| 00:18.37 | PointBlank | if u repeatedly show/hide |
| 00:18.38 | nevjmac | sixen will report it to blizz |
| 00:18.44 | nevjmac | more likly to get noticed then |
| 00:18.46 | PointBlank | think of it as an int that's increment/dec |
| 00:18.51 | PointBlank | so if u hide twice |
| 00:18.54 | PointBlank | it's now -2 |
| 00:18.58 | PointBlank | and only shows at 0 |
| 00:19.00 | PointBlank | kinda thing |
| 00:19.08 | Sixen | ;) |
| 00:19.17 | PointBlank | so if u hide then show it'll work fine -> double hide single show will still be hidden |
| 00:19.26 | PointBlank | double double it'll show |
| 00:19.46 | PointBlank | where u want that Sixen :P fucked me for a few hours |
| 00:19.53 | nevjmac | omg sixen speaks |
| 00:20.07 | Sixen | I'm always here, :P |
| 00:20.10 | nevjmac | creepy moderator lurking our IRC :P |
| 00:20.18 | PointBlank | i talked to Sixen 2 days ago |
| 00:20.19 | PointBlank | he's around |
| 00:20.29 | Sixen | PointBlank, if you can show it within a map, please make a map and submit it to the "Broken Maps" category |
| 00:20.35 | Sixen | makes it a lot easier to send the info over to Blizz |
| 00:20.39 | Sixen | otherwise, post in the bug section |
| 00:21.00 | PointBlank | yup i'll go try to isolate now |
| 00:21.08 | Sixen | :) |
| 00:21.13 | Bibendus | back |
| 00:21.15 | Bibendus | and goin to sleep :D |
| 00:21.44 | Bibendus | did u see six |
| 00:21.48 | Bibendus | my imba screenshootz? |
| 00:21.51 | Sixen | -i |
| 00:21.52 | Sixen | =o* |
| 00:22.03 | nevjmac | @bibendus what exactly are we looking at |
| 00:22.11 | Bibendus | dungeon keeper remake |
| 00:22.13 | Bibendus | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/project-workplace/11150-dungeon-keeper-proof-of-concept/?page=8#p144 |
| 00:22.18 | nevjmac | I never palyed dungeon keeper |
| 00:22.21 | nevjmac | so I guess it looks great :P |
| 00:22.24 | nevjmac | lol |
| 00:22.33 | Bibendus | ooo h:( |
| 00:22.36 | Bibendus | lol |
| 00:22.47 | Bibendus | i'll go to sleep with sadness in my heart |
| 00:22.48 | Bibendus | then |
| 00:23.00 | nevjmac | sorry :P |
| 00:23.16 | Bibendus | lol |
| 00:23.21 | Bibendus | sixen saying nothing |
| 00:23.41 | Bibendus | more sadness coming |
| 00:23.41 | Bibendus | xD |
| 00:23.41 | nevjmac | he is probably looking ;P |
| 00:23.41 | Bibendus | nah all hate me |
| 00:23.41 | Bibendus | xD |
| 00:23.51 | Bibendus | cry cry |
| 00:23.52 | Bibendus | lolz |
| 00:24.49 | Sixen | Looks pretty sweet bib :D |
| 00:25.08 | Bibendus | yes i love sweetness |
| 00:25.09 | Bibendus | xD |
| 00:25.17 | PointBlank | eta on that done Bib? |
| 00:25.21 | Bibendus | hoping to make a video soon |
| 00:25.25 | Bibendus | ah |
| 00:25.31 | Sixen | lemme know when the video is up :) |
| 00:25.31 | Bibendus | it's a loong work |
| 00:25.32 | Bibendus | xD |
| 00:25.34 | Bibendus | yep |
| 00:25.39 | Bibendus | i want a news with only my vid xD |
| 00:25.44 | Bibendus | not wit tonz of crap |
| 00:25.45 | Bibendus | lol |
| 00:26.00 | Bibendus | moar audience :D |
| 00:26.58 | PointBlank | Sixen, made a map with just hide, hide, show on queen transfusion and nothing else and it completely shows the problem yay |
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| 00:27.08 | Bibendus | =================== TODO =================== |
| 00:27.08 | Bibendus | # Digging system |
| 00:27.08 | Bibendus | # Ground claim system |
| 00:27.08 | Bibendus | # Wall reinforce system |
| 00:27.08 | Bibendus | - Gold harvest system |
| 00:27.08 | Bibendus | - Work abort system |
| 00:27.08 | Bibendus | # UI |
| 00:27.09 | PointBlank | hopefully that one can get fixed quicker since it seems minor |
| 00:27.09 | Bibendus | - Build system |
| 00:27.09 | Bibendus | - Portal summoning system |
| 00:27.10 | Bibendus | - Sleep System |
| 00:27.10 | Bibendus | - Food System |
| 00:27.11 | Bibendus | - Payday system |
| 00:27.11 | Bibendus | - Happiness system |
| 00:27.12 | Bibendus | - Slap system |
| 00:27.23 | Bibendus | thats a long road |
| 00:27.27 | Bibendus | in front of me :D |
| 00:27.35 | Bibendus | oh the slap is done! |
| 00:27.47 | PointBlank | but will/could u make it playable without some of that? |
| 00:28.03 | Bibendus | yep |
| 00:28.14 | Bibendus | i m working on basic rooms and units |
| 00:28.56 | Bibendus | but some triggers must be done |
| 00:29.03 | Bibendus | before releasing it :D |
| 00:29.20 | Sixen | Pointblank, submit it :) |
| 00:29.42 | Bibendus | the nice thing i want to do is the multiple gametype |
| 00:29.43 | Bibendus | system |
| 00:29.52 | Bibendus | versus, coop, solo |
| 00:30.03 | Bibendus | a coop dk never existes i suppose |
| 00:30.04 | Bibendus | :D |
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| 00:30.32 | A1win | I think I never finished the last map in the game :s was stuck in it for a loong time |
| 00:30.45 | PointBlank | Sixen: http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/hide-ability-broken/ |
| 00:30.55 | Bibendus | lolz |
| 00:31.09 | Bibendus | it was quite hard yez |
| 00:31.15 | Bibendus | but not for hardcore players like me :D |
| 00:32.02 | A1win | I had only recently gotten my first computer at that time |
| 00:32.44 | Bibendus | çD |
| 00:32.46 | Bibendus | night |
| 00:33.13 | nevjmac | does anyone know if the zerg fatty model has a burrow model? |
| 00:34.36 | nevjmac | or how to play different animations in the previewer so I can find out |
| 00:35.37 | nevjmac | oh it does :) |
| 00:36.01 | nevjmac | great I have to create an ability and actor for that >.> |
| 00:39.36 | Sixen | Thanks Pointblank ;) |
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| 00:43.00 | Vail|College | hello agin folks i am back taking a break during class |
| 00:46.18 | nevjmac | hey vail |
| 00:48.16 | Stewox | How many of you guys aren't yet informed that Duke Nukem Forever is actually coming , i got one modder here and he apparently didn't catch the PAX (2K and gearbox ) unveiling |
| 00:48.36 | Stewox | spread the word :) |
| 00:50.09 | nevjmac | what is a roach warren o.O |
| 00:50.17 | progammer | nevjmac: building for roach |
| 00:50.29 | nevjmac | duh |
| 00:50.34 | nevjmac | <- does not play zerg enough |
| 00:52.43 | A1win | any ideas what to use as a level up effect for kerrigan? in 3rd person view |
| 00:53.20 | DarkRevenant | ... |
| 00:53.45 | DarkRevenant | look through the effects models |
| 00:53.46 | DarkRevenant | in previewer |
| 00:54.08 | A1win | I am, can't find anything.. but there's a lot of them x.x |
| 00:55.25 | A1win | mmh razor plague birth has a kind of a light bean effect... |
| 00:57.05 | progammer | that was her spell |
| 00:58.58 | A1win | yea I know ;x |
| 00:59.17 | A1win | ...beam, not bean <.< |
| 01:05.57 | RodOfNOD | lol that davidcraft was fracken hilarious |
| 01:15.13 | Stewox | BEAN :D |
| 01:15.15 | Vail|College | well folks i will see you in about twenty minutes |
| 01:15.21 | Stewox | mister bean |
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| 01:29.32 | Stewox | hello |
| 01:29.42 | Stewox | what's difference between source unit and caster unit |
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| 01:37.13 | Currydevil | well.. I guess (not entirely sure) it could be like |
| 01:37.36 | Currydevil | if you have an ability on a bldg... and your unit comes up to use the ability? not sure |
| 01:38.31 | Xapti | What are the limitations melee maps have? |
| 01:38.34 | Xapti | can you make custom doodads, or can you put down things that offer special behaviors (like degeneration, evade chance, unable to attack, etc.) |
| 01:39.51 | Currydevil | to keep it considered melee? |
| 01:40.38 | Currydevil | you can make a melee map with anything you want and it can still be melee, the system will just consider it a custom map and you won't get Melee achievements on it |
| 01:41.41 | Currydevil | Btw, I need a special ability for a marauder.. |
| 01:41.45 | Currydevil | I can't think of anything |
| 01:44.02 | Currydevil | Oh i got it now |
| 01:54.57 | Kueken | Stewox: depends on the situation. For example if a behavior applied to a unit by another unit casts an effect |
| 01:55.08 | Kueken | the source is the unit with the behavior |
| 01:55.19 | Kueken | but the caster is the unit which casted the behavior |
| 01:55.30 | Kueken | or another |
| 01:55.58 | Kueken | if you have a launch missile effect and specify a launch effect, the caster is the unit casting the missile and the source is the missile |
| 01:56.27 | Stewox | thanks a lot |
| 01:56.41 | Stewox | that means if a missile has a fission missle , like a cluster |
| 01:57.25 | Stewox | the source of the bomblets is the missle , caster is the one who had the original missile |
| 01:57.38 | Kueken | depending on your setup, yes |
| 01:57.38 | Stewox | that's makes sense |
| 01:57.40 | Stewox | great |
| 01:58.08 | Kueken | I was referring to the launch effect- field for a launch missile effect |
| 01:58.23 | Kueken | where you can execute an effect on the missile when it starts |
| 01:59.03 | Kueken | but you get the idea |
| 02:04.05 | Stewox | yes it's actually from where your viewing at , from which point you editing |
| 02:04.19 | Stewox | i know this as things get mixed |
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| 02:06.06 | TheZizz | do constants within records not work? |
| 02:06.29 | Vail | hello folks |
| 02:06.35 | TheZizz | hey |
| 02:10.03 | nevjmac | woot :) my fatty model has a burrow |
| 02:10.08 | nevjmac | morphing is messy >.< |
| 02:11.42 | Vail | thats right i have three heros for my mod not two yay |
| 02:12.07 | Vail | i have a hero infestor who i am thinking of giving an aoe multiple mindcontrol |
| 02:12.13 | nevjmac | lol |
| 02:12.23 | nevjmac | why does my unburrow have a mineral vespene and supply cost? |
| 02:12.50 | Vail | like because you didnt tick some flags in it some where |
| 02:13.33 | nevjmac | I have looked all through the abilities |
| 02:13.38 | nevjmac | and the unit |
| 02:13.48 | nevjmac | oh wait >.> |
| 02:16.09 | nevjmac | yea no I don't get it |
| 02:16.17 | Vail | hm |
| 02:16.38 | nevjmac | its like its charging to create the unit? |
| 02:16.57 | Vail | odd |
| 02:17.16 | nevjmac | actually it is |
| 02:17.26 | nevjmac | its refunding me 250 minerals and 200 gas when I cast burrow |
| 02:17.35 | nevjmac | but on the way back up it requires 5 supply as well |
| 02:17.36 | nevjmac | why? |
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| 02:18.44 | Vail | no idea |
| 02:19.44 | Kueken | morphing abilities cost the difference between unit costs when you morph the unit |
| 02:19.57 | Kueken | so the unit costs have to be identical to show no costs |
| 02:20.31 | nevjmac | realy? |
| 02:20.44 | Kueken | no, Im lying :/ |
| 02:20.48 | nevjmac | lol |
| 02:20.50 | nevjmac | haha |
| 02:21.17 | nevjmac | I was more getting to the there must be an easier way that to refund and give minerals costs? |
| 02:21.33 | Vail | well i found out where to add effects to the morph abilities.. |
| 02:22.02 | Vail | its kinda obvious but i missed it lol |
| 02:22.14 | nevjmac | yea I got that the other day vail :P |
| 02:22.18 | nevjmac | when I was doing my seige morph |
| 02:22.28 | nevjmac | but thanks kueken he can now morph and un morph |
| 02:23.37 | Vail | cool |
| 02:24.29 | nevjmac | anyone know a good emiiting effect? |
| 02:24.35 | nevjmac | model rather |
| 02:24.49 | Vail | i can hardly wait till blizzard dota |
| 02:27.10 | nevjmac | OH your kidding >.> |
| 02:27.18 | nevjmac | a set can only have a limitied amount of effects >.> |
| 02:27.27 | Vail | how limited? |
| 02:27.37 | nevjmac | 8 |
| 02:27.42 | Vail | i see.. |
| 02:28.02 | nevjmac | That makes me... 3 short :/ |
| 02:28.08 | TheZizz | guess youll have to run a set in a set |
| 02:28.21 | nevjmac | sounds like a carrier inside my carrier :( |
| 02:28.31 | TheZizz | that would be pretty cool actually |
| 02:28.39 | nevjmac | its been done |
| 02:28.39 | nevjmac | lol |
| 02:28.54 | TheZizz | the Omegalisk creates Brood Lords |
| 02:28.57 | nevjmac | so I'm going to have to run a set to run my set |
| 02:29.01 | nevjmac | omfg >.> |
| 02:30.41 | nevjmac | hmmmm |
| 02:31.36 | nevjmac | I love complicated abilities >.> |
| 02:33.14 | Currydevil | did you figure out the mineral cost stuff nev? |
| 02:33.22 | nevjmac | yea |
| 02:33.25 | Currydevil | ok |
| 02:33.30 | nevjmac | odd method really |
| 02:33.35 | Currydevil | one of your units still had the production costs on them? |
| 02:34.02 | nevjmac | they had different production costs yea |
| 02:34.23 | Currydevil | ah |
| 02:37.40 | Vail | gah |
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| 02:53.59 | Vail | so many idiots on the Dota Utilities site |
| 03:12.45 | Vail | the silence i am blind |
| 03:16.01 | nevjmac | what silence |
| 03:16.29 | Vail | that silence but its over now yay |
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| 03:18.19 | Phaos | yo. any US locals able to help test a map. I need about 4 of you |
| 03:18.23 | Phaos | Rorax.819 |
| 03:20.21 | nevjmac | Yea I'll come when you have enough |
| 03:20.28 | nevjmac | just post here when you have 4 :) |
| 03:21.05 | Phaos | 4 means you wouldn't get in |
| 03:21.08 | Phaos | you mean 3 xD |
| 03:21.31 | nevjmac | yea you know what I meant lol |
| 03:22.08 | Phaos | yeah I did >>> |
| 03:22.11 | Phaos | >.> |
| 03:25.54 | Vail | i need something better than time scale for the tech atribute to mod |
| 03:29.57 | nevjmac | got enough yea? :P |
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| 03:30.55 | onetwo | hmm list is small today |
| 03:31.49 | nevjmac | what list o.O |
| 03:32.29 | Phaos | hey onetwo! |
| 03:33.50 | onetwo | hi |
| 03:33.52 | onetwo | the irc list |
| 03:33.56 | Dogmai | good morning all |
| 03:34.07 | onetwo | hi |
| 03:34.10 | nevjmac | anyone know a good emitting effect? |
| 03:34.28 | onetwo | look at anything for hybrid abils maybe |
| 03:36.20 | Rayden | how does armor work in sc2? |
| 03:36.25 | Rayden | does it subtract from damage? |
| 03:38.15 | onetwo | yeah |
| 03:38.19 | onetwo | in damage effects you can specify the amount |
| 03:38.25 | onetwo | its the armor reduction field |
| 03:38.38 | onetwo | so in general in sc2, every damage effect is reduced by 1 for each point of armor |
| 03:38.43 | onetwo | so if you do 5 dmg, and your target has 2 armor |
| 03:38.45 | onetwo | you do 3 damage |
| 03:38.55 | onetwo | and its to a minimum of 0.5 dmg as specified in gameplay data |
| 03:38.59 | Rayden | ok |
| 03:39.14 | Rayden | kind of unfortunate you can change what it does |
| 03:39.21 | Rayden | that way you can't play a mod and know what armor does |
| 03:39.34 | onetwo | well i always put it down |
| 03:39.36 | onetwo | in my buttons for abils |
| 03:39.37 | onetwo | and stuff |
| 03:39.43 | onetwo | its up to you to communicate it |
| 03:39.48 | onetwo | in some way |
| 03:40.03 | Rayden | i'vei wish weapons displayed dps |
| 03:40.08 | Rayden | instead of just dmg and cooldown |
| 03:40.33 | onetwo | heh yeah |
| 03:40.35 | onetwo | maybe in future |
| 03:40.40 | onetwo | i put all the dps of weapons on item icons |
| 03:40.41 | onetwo | in my rpg |
| 03:40.59 | onetwo | people want to know that shit |
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| 03:41.11 | Rayden | yeah |
| 03:41.14 | DarkLight | how do i have sex on my map |
| 03:41.30 | onetwo | have you tried the sex unit type? |
| 03:41.36 | onetwo | its a zerg based unit |
| 03:41.40 | Rayden | "so this weapno does 10 dmg and has a firing rate of 0.47389742 abd thsi weapon does 35 dmg and has a rate of 1" |
| 03:41.43 | Rayden | which does more dmg |
| 03:41.44 | onetwo | but you have to copy the actor |
| 03:41.47 | onetwo | otherwise it wont thrust |
| 03:41.47 | Rayden | let me pull out my calculator |
| 03:42.09 | Rayden | sort of depends on whather you want the default thrust, or you want to use a custom thruster |
| 03:42.34 | OMGANICKNAME | there we go |
| 03:44.14 | OMGANICKNAME | so |
| 03:44.21 | OMGANICKNAME | can i fuck on the map or not |
| 03:44.34 | onetwo | we already told you how |
| 03:44.36 | onetwo | twice |
| 03:44.49 | OMGANICKNAME | sorry, i have IQ of frog |
| 03:45.36 | OMGANICKNAME | i will go watch porn and pretend to jerk off into the wind all while drinking cups of cum |
| 03:45.46 | onetwo | . |
| 03:48.48 | nevjmac | wth was his problem |
| 03:53.40 | Dogmai | nevjmac: you seem surprised people are unpredictable assholes |
| 03:53.57 | onetwo | stfu you son of a bitch |
| 03:53.59 | onetwo | i mean hi |
| 03:54.04 | nevjmac | first time i seen one here though |
| 03:54.09 | onetwo | meh we used to have more back in beta |
| 03:54.13 | onetwo | lol |
| 03:54.15 | Dogmai | um |
| 03:54.24 | Dogmai | we are an irc channel that is formed from battle net |
| 03:54.35 | Dogmai | how can this be the first time you have seen an immature little brat |
| 03:54.41 | Dogmai | bnet is 99% filled with em |
| 03:54.48 | onetwo | mappers make up the other 1% |
| 03:54.52 | Dogmai | indeed |
| 03:54.54 | Dogmai | it appears so |
| 03:54.55 | onetwo | haha |
| 03:54.56 | nevjmac | and as I said |
| 03:55.02 | nevjmac | it was the first time I saw one on this IRC |
| 03:55.25 | onetwo | lol |
| 03:55.39 | Dogmai | but onetwo and I are here? |
| 03:55.46 | Dogmai | have you been ignoring us the whole time? |
| 03:55.49 | nevjmac | lol |
| 03:55.57 | Dogmai | you bastard you |
| 03:56.06 | onetwo | yeah fuck |
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| 03:56.11 | onetwo | lets swear more |
| 03:56.14 | onetwo | and be unrational |
| 03:56.21 | onetwo | IRRATIONAL |
| 03:56.44 | Dogmai | onetwo |
| 03:56.51 | Dogmai | i am so wet for you right now |
| 03:58.02 | onetwo | we should go make a post on TL |
| 03:58.02 | onetwo | and bnet |
| 03:58.08 | onetwo | and then paste in the activision letter |
| 03:58.10 | onetwo | at the end |
| 03:58.27 | Dogmai | what acti letter -_- |
| 03:59.02 | nevjmac | lol bored onetwo? |
| 04:00.06 | onetwo | http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=128252 |
| 04:00.08 | onetwo | that thing |
| 04:00.11 | onetwo | that exploded back in beta |
| 04:00.12 | onetwo | hahah |
| 04:03.00 | Dogmai | im reading it now |
| 04:03.05 | Dogmai | between burning my hand in the oven |
| 04:03.12 | onetwo | my favorite part is |
| 04:03.17 | onetwo | Just 2 days later, the 2 ex-CEOs file a lawsuit against Activision regarding the rights to âModern Warfareâ and 36$ million of royalties + damages. |
| 04:03.18 | Dogmai | i have been dealing with acti for 13 years =\ |
| 04:03.24 | onetwo | from New to Team Liquid? Register here! A short history of Activision Blizzard or how... Battle Dex Forum index > Starcraft 2 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 Next All D3xter Germany. May 30 2010 05:49. Posts 17Profile # The views expressed by this thread are not the official views of TeamLiquid.net and its staff. This is a foru |
| 04:03.26 | onetwo | oops |
| 04:03.27 | onetwo | sorry |
| 04:03.30 | Dogmai | lawl |
| 04:03.32 | onetwo | from March 2-4, 2010: A bunch of security people raid the Infinity Ward offices, both studio heads/CEOs Jason West and Vince Zampella get fired, they were replaced by internal Activision Publishing employees (who worked for Procter & Gamble and Nestle before). |
| 04:03.33 | Dogmai | +1 internets |
| 04:03.48 | onetwo | and then In the aftermath Jason and Vince create âRespawn Entertainmentâ, and over 30+ key Infinity Ward employees leave Activision, some of them joining them there (after themselves filing another group lawsuit against Activision regarding them not being paid/withheld their bonuses to force a âCall of Duty: Modern Warfare 3â) |
| 04:03.57 | onetwo | lol |
| 04:04.11 | onetwo | the game dev world isnt a happy place haha |
| 04:04.13 | onetwo | between EA's past |
| 04:04.14 | onetwo | and this |
| 04:04.28 | onetwo | i dont really care much for corporate chains |
| 04:04.34 | Dogmai | of course |
| 04:04.38 | Dogmai | it is always like that |
| 04:04.42 | Dogmai | dont worry though |
| 04:04.46 | Dogmai | valve will eventually become the same |
| 04:04.49 | Dogmai | they all do |
| 04:04.57 | Dogmai | the bigger they get, the more money they need |
| 04:04.57 | onetwo | like, founder of tim hortons chain, even when he was rich CEO still worked and made donuts/coffee in the original restaurant |
| 04:05.00 | onetwo | till he couldnt |
| 04:05.02 | onetwo | i respect that |
| 04:05.03 | Dogmai | the more money they need, the more money they want |
| 04:05.24 | Dogmai | yeah well some people are bat shit crazy like that |
| 04:05.42 | onetwo | lol |
| 04:05.47 | onetwo | people get too big of egos too |
| 04:05.49 | onetwo | when they get power |
| 04:05.53 | onetwo | gotta always be humble |
| 04:06.21 | Dogmai | its hard to know what you will become when the situation arises |
| 04:06.25 | onetwo | yeah |
| 04:06.25 | Dogmai | and everything falls in line mate |
| 04:06.30 | onetwo | and im amazed call of duty grew so big |
| 04:06.33 | onetwo | i mean i played COD 1 |
| 04:06.34 | onetwo | on pc |
| 04:06.36 | onetwo | it was alright |
| 04:06.41 | onetwo | day of defeat mod for half life was better |
| 04:06.44 | onetwo | but now its like xbox world |
| 04:06.46 | onetwo | lol |
| 04:08.53 | nevjmac | I can't find a good emissive effect, to visualize as as if a hum was emitting from a unit |
| 04:09.10 | Vail | i still wish i knew what the Kill bonus field did |
| 04:09.37 | onetwo | lol |
| 04:11.58 | Vail | if you know please tell me |
| 04:19.31 | Currydevil | i think the impact anim is a little off from the impact on my charge =| |
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| 04:30.32 | onetwo | interesting |
| 04:30.39 | onetwo | my computer is using 1.92 gigs of memory |
| 04:30.53 | onetwo | svchost.exe is 200MB, sc2editor is 800 MB, and firefox is 53 MB |
| 04:30.59 | onetwo | rest are neglidible.. |
| 04:31.18 | onetwo | so i guess vista just takes up the other ~0.9G left over? |
| 04:31.23 | nevjmac | I'm using 5gig :P |
| 04:31.47 | nevjmac | also I noticed in your hero tut you said the editor slows down a lot when yo uhave sc2 and the editor open at teh same time |
| 04:31.55 | onetwo | yeah |
| 04:31.59 | onetwo | the moment i hit run game |
| 04:32.03 | onetwo | and then come back to editing |
| 04:32.06 | onetwo | just slower |
| 04:32.06 | nevjmac | try pausing the game, pressing F10 before alt tabbing |
| 04:32.17 | onetwo | even when i close it |
| 04:32.21 | onetwo | it like mentally screws my computer |
| 04:32.22 | nevjmac | odd |
| 04:32.29 | onetwo | cause its a beast |
| 04:32.34 | onetwo | but i just bought 3gigs today |
| 04:32.36 | onetwo | was on 2 gigs of ram before |
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| 04:32.42 | onetwo | i think that extra wiggle will help |
| 04:32.57 | nevjmac | quite probably, I'm using 12 but only cause I got 6 free >.> |
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| 04:33.50 | onetwo | ah |
| 04:38.07 | Lilianna | :o |
| 04:38.09 | Lilianna | thats alot of ram |
| 04:38.14 | nevjmac | :D |
| 04:38.29 | nevjmac | I usually don't bother closing anything |
| 04:38.33 | Lilianna | lol |
| 04:38.34 | nevjmac | nasty habbit I have started |
| 04:38.42 | Lilianna | I only have 4. :x |
| 04:38.51 | onetwo | its good to overcompensate now that i think back |
| 04:38.58 | onetwo | i bought a really good comp 3.5 years ago |
| 04:39.00 | onetwo | but i thought |
| 04:39.03 | onetwo | 2 gigs of ram is enough |
| 04:39.06 | onetwo | well its not |
| 04:39.10 | nevjmac | anymore :P |
| 04:39.12 | onetwo | it was back then |
| 04:39.16 | onetwo | but now 1 gig stick is 25$ |
| 04:39.18 | onetwo | wtf lol |
| 04:39.40 | nevjmac | I'm always updating my pc |
| 04:39.44 | Lilianna | of DDR3? |
| 04:39.46 | onetwo | im more of a redo |
| 04:39.47 | nevjmac | how can I preview sounds |
| 04:39.48 | onetwo | DDR2 |
| 04:39.53 | Lilianna | Im on DDR3 :x |
| 04:39.57 | nevjmac | I have 12 gig of ddr3 |
| 04:39.57 | onetwo | i prefer to get a completely new computer |
| 04:40.00 | onetwo | every few years |
| 04:40.02 | onetwo | than update |
| 04:40.04 | onetwo | i like that feeling |
| 04:40.04 | onetwo | of new |
| 04:40.12 | Lilianna | A new motherboard is like new! |
| 04:40.14 | onetwo | plus then you can use the old computer |
| 04:40.19 | onetwo | for random shit |
| 04:40.37 | Currydevil | updating is cheaper =O |
| 04:40.40 | nevjmac | how can I preview game sounds? |
| 04:40.47 | Currydevil | no idea |
| 04:41.20 | two13 | create a new sound trigger, select the sound, you can preview there |
| 04:41.35 | nevjmac | that means loading the game a million times |
| 04:41.38 | nevjmac | to find one I like? |
| 04:41.43 | two13 | no, you can preview from editor |
| 04:41.48 | nevjmac | oh in the trigger |
| 04:41.49 | two13 | it does mean clicking a lot though |
| 04:41.50 | two13 | yeah |
| 04:41.57 | nevjmac | better than load screens! |
| 04:42.08 | two13 | no doubt :D |
| 04:42.17 | Currydevil | gah, I can never finish a map. |
| 04:42.30 | Currydevil | I need to work with someone on something.. I got like 3 unifinished maps =( |
| 04:42.36 | Currydevil | unfinished* |
| 04:42.43 | Dogmai | its interesting to hear kotick talk |
| 04:42.47 | Currydevil | get bored halfway through. |
| 04:42.52 | onetwo | lol |
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| 04:43.34 | Currydevil | maybe i'll go work on my marauders ability |
| 04:43.37 | Dogmai | you know, we are dancing with the devil |
| 04:43.58 | Dogmai | I really hope they cap their % of revenue taken from the marketplace at like 40% |
| 04:44.02 | Dogmai | 30% |
| 04:44.04 | Dogmai | my bad |
| 04:44.12 | onetwo | apple is 30 |
| 04:44.14 | onetwo | so probably 30 |
| 04:44.16 | Dogmai | yeah |
| 04:44.18 | onetwo | but apple breaks even on their app store |
| 04:44.19 | Dogmai | i meant 30 |
| 04:44.21 | onetwo | most money is from hardware |
| 04:44.25 | onetwo | so im not sure what blizz can do |
| 04:44.50 | Dogmai | It is within all possibilty that they could take 80% |
| 04:45.12 | onetwo | i want mike morhaime to do well |
| 04:45.14 | onetwo | i think that guy is a genius |
| 04:45.18 | Dogmai | Who is that |
| 04:45.26 | onetwo | one of the blizz oldies |
| 04:45.28 | Dogmai | Oh wow |
| 04:45.38 | Dogmai | I gotta rewind this shit, he just said something really unique |
| 04:45.48 | onetwo | im willing to bet mike morhaime is the magical touch |
| 04:45.50 | onetwo | that makes blizz games > others |
| 04:45.54 | onetwo | developers come and go |
| 04:46.00 | onetwo | but the idea makers gotta be the ones |
| 04:46.10 | onetwo | i mean most of the blizzard 'breakaway' devs |
| 04:46.11 | Dogmai | ""you need to have a different level of sensitivity"" |
| 04:46.13 | onetwo | failed to make anything |
| 04:46.21 | onetwo | brb |
| 04:46.27 | Dogmai | ""the dynamic component can never offend the ordiance"" |
| 04:46.56 | Dogmai | If you think about this, not in advertising like he was discussing, but about maps |
| 04:47.29 | Dogmai | For instance, if I see the swastika, two things come into my mind |
| 04:47.45 | Dogmai | One is Adolf Hitler, and the other is Buddism/Taoism |
| 04:47.56 | Dogmai | So two completely different parties use the same symbol |
| 04:48.14 | Dogmai | But because one used it for a bad thing, and one used it for a good thing, you should ban it anyways? |
| 04:48.44 | onetwo | nice |
| 04:48.47 | onetwo | 3 gigs of ram helped a lot |
| 04:48.49 | onetwo | just tested my map |
| 04:48.51 | Dogmai | There is a huge difference if you made a map that was a chinese style map and used that symbol, than if you made a skinhead map using that symbol |
| 04:48.58 | Dogmai | I have 12 gigs of ram :P |
| 04:49.13 | onetwo | 2 gigs = lagfest |
| 04:49.16 | onetwo | 3 gigs = safe zone |
| 04:49.17 | onetwo | yay |
| 04:49.34 | nevjmac | join the club dogmai :D |
| 04:49.55 | Dogmai | Yeah, but the difference is I can max that out :P |
| 04:50.13 | nevjmac | as in use the 12 gigs? |
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| 04:52.23 | Dogmai | yea |
| 04:52.54 | nevjmac | I can't say I have tried, nor do I watch how much I am using :P |
| 04:53.28 | Dogmai | Ha |
| 04:53.43 | onetwo | virtual machines |
| 04:53.43 | Dogmai | It is nice not having to think about maxing it out in normal day to day use |
| 04:53.44 | onetwo | lol |
| 04:53.45 | onetwo | gg 12 gigs |
| 04:53.50 | Dogmai | Just run everything at once, alt tab, no lag |
| 04:53.53 | Dogmai | *drools* |
| 04:54.05 | nevjmac | thats pretty much it :P |
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| 04:55.24 | Dogmai | You know, I should make an ancient chinese map along the lines of battle realms that using the swastika to see if I can get away with it just for the arguements sake of free speech |
| 04:55.51 | nevjmac | and risk your acc being banned from uploading in the process? |
| 04:56.08 | Dogmai | meh, I'll do it when I am e-famous |
| 04:56.16 | nevjmac | lol |
| 04:56.23 | Dogmai | You see the symbol all over asia and no one gives it a second thought |
| 04:56.40 | Dogmai | It is just the western world that has an issue with it, because they are so uptight about everything, can't let shit from the past go |
| 04:57.19 | Dogmai | Bad shit happens everywhere, to everyone ... =\ Life is pretty fucked. |
| 04:57.39 | nevjmac | is there a way to increase the volume of effect in a sound actor? |
| 04:58.00 | nevjmac | yea sound set volume you clown |
| 04:58.02 | nevjmac | :D |
| 04:59.21 | nevjmac | anyone know how to use the sound set volume I have some time value chart ? |
| 05:00.04 | Dogmai | There is a great debate as to what the swastika means now. For 3,000 years, the swastika meant life and good luck. But because of the Nazis, it has also taken on a meaning of death and hate. |
| 05:00.36 | Dogmai | Unfortunately, the Nazis were so effective at their use of the swastika emblem, that many do not even know any other meaning for the swastika. Can there be two completely opposite meanings for one symbol? |
| 05:01.58 | Dogmai | I find it interesting, it is really down to the population which makes what they will from a couple of lines. I mean no disrespect to any of my jewish friends, fyi. |
| 05:02.04 | Currydevil | thought one of them was reversed. |
| 05:02.21 | Dogmai | Yeah, it gets complicated from there. |
| 05:02.41 | Currydevil | I can never remember which one pointed which direction though =| |
| 05:02.48 | Currydevil | or points rather |
| 05:03.03 | Dogmai | Hitler used the positive one |
| 05:03.07 | Dogmai | So it kind of defeats the purpose |
| 05:03.14 | Currydevil | hmm |
| 05:04.33 | Dogmai | I read on the news about how Jews built an airport before there was an Islamic revolution, and they had the star of david on top of the building for about 20-30 years before anyone noticed, and now the government is removing it. |
| 05:04.56 | Dogmai | Does it really matter? Christianity, Judism and Islam are always fighting over shit, relax guys ... |
| 05:05.28 | Dogmai | Offending people is never a problem, the people who get offended, they are the problem. |
| 05:06.58 | Dogmai | I finished reading the article onetwo, it was interesting. |
| 05:07.04 | onetwo | yeah haha |
| 05:07.12 | Dogmai | Activision was always like that from my first dealings with them, in 1997 |
| 05:07.16 | onetwo | brb |
| 05:08.33 | FockeWulf | south park needs to make an episode that ties together activision and chef's chocolate balls |
| 05:08.58 | Dogmai | I miss chef |
| 05:13.16 | Dogmai | I have long since discovered that the more time I spend in IRC the less work I get done on my projects |
| 05:13.29 | deathnight114 | wow: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anPx9e3xE4Y can anyone tell me where i can download this map? |
| 05:13.38 | nevjmac | stop bringing this to my attention dogmai |
| 05:13.39 | nevjmac | :P |
| 05:14.47 | deathnight114 | Hello? |
| 05:15.54 | Dogmai | deathnight114: |
| 05:15.58 | deathnight114 | hm? |
| 05:16.00 | Dogmai | on the TW server |
| 05:16.10 | Dogmai | ? |
| 05:16.11 | deathnight114 | I want an offline version of this map |
| 05:16.20 | nevjmac | not all maps are available offline |
| 05:16.20 | Dogmai | search for the author |
| 05:16.21 | deathnight114 | That i can download and run w/ the editor |
| 05:16.26 | deathnight114 | hm |
| 05:16.28 | Dogmai | 弦åç» |
| 05:16.29 | deathnight114 | I have tried |
| 05:16.35 | deathnight114 | Hm |
| 05:16.37 | deathnight114 | Lemme try again |
| 05:16.38 | nevjmac | thats up to the authors descretion |
| 05:16.46 | deathnight114 | I can't read chinese lol |
| 05:17.24 | Dogmai | xian ying yan |
| 05:17.32 | Dogmai | say thx to my girlfriend for writing that in pinyin for you |
| 05:17.34 | Dogmai | :P |
| 05:17.39 | deathnight114 | alskdjflaksdjf |
| 05:17.48 | Dogmai | and you should really download the character set for your computer |
| 05:17.56 | Dogmai | if you havn't already |
| 05:18.03 | Dogmai | and you dont need to read it to be able to search for it |
| 05:19.15 | Currydevil | Anyone know of a tut to make a missile? |
| 05:19.24 | Currydevil | I found one, but it's PM's advanced missile tut |
| 05:19.33 | nevjmac | use the banshe missile |
| 05:19.36 | nevjmac | was the advice I got given XD |
| 05:19.39 | deathnight114 | hm |
| 05:19.42 | Currydevil | =| |
| 05:19.47 | nevjmac | lol |
| 05:19.55 | deathnight114 | I still |
| 05:19.57 | deathnight114 | Can't find the map |
| 05:19.59 | Currydevil | that doesn't help me if i don't know how it works. |
| 05:20.01 | deathnight114 | :,( |
| 05:20.24 | Dogmai | ææµ·çé¸ is starcraft in chinese |
| 05:20.42 | deathnight114 | Yeah |
| 05:21.22 | Dogmai | no i cant find anything on google |
| 05:21.25 | Dogmai | maybe baidu is better =\ |
| 05:21.47 | Dogmai | nope |
| 05:21.48 | Dogmai | no luck |
| 05:22.21 | Dogmai | i found it |
| 05:22.23 | Dogmai | haha |
| 05:22.24 | deathnight114 | o.o |
| 05:22.25 | Dogmai | LMFAO! |
| 05:22.28 | deathnight114 | Can you link me? |
| 05:22.30 | deathnight114 | D: |
| 05:22.32 | deathnight114 | *is bad at google* |
| 05:22.34 | deathnight114 | LOL |
| 05:22.47 | deathnight114 | Please? |
| 05:22.51 | Dogmai | nah |
| 05:22.54 | Dogmai | bu yao |
| 05:22.55 | deathnight114 | D: |
| 05:22.58 | Dogmai | wo bu xi huan ni |
| 05:23.01 | Dogmai | http://www.youtube.com/redirect?q=http%3A%2F%2Fbbs.islga.org%2Fjob.php%3Faction%3Ddownload%26aid%3D74460&session_token=58UdwqgmomzNdpDXskJMFWY-Oc98MTI5MTQ0MDExOA%3D%3D |
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| 05:23.33 | Dogmai | its similar to this map |
| 05:23.35 | Dogmai | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ah3XmjlhgJw&feature=fvw |
| 05:23.45 | deathnight114 | Yeah |
| 05:23.47 | deathnight114 | I've played that one |
| 05:23.50 | deathnight114 | But the one |
| 05:23.52 | deathnight114 | There |
| 05:23.54 | deathnight114 | Is much better |
| 05:23.57 | deathnight114 | And that map only works in beta |
| 05:24.13 | deathnight114 | umm |
| 05:24.16 | deathnight114 | It says i need to sign up |
| 05:24.47 | Dogmai | http://bbs.islga.org/thread-htm-fid-118.html |
| 05:25.29 | Dogmai | this is the guy who made it |
| 05:25.31 | Dogmai | http://bbs.islga.org/u.php?action=show&uid=38687 |
| 05:26.01 | Dogmai | i think this might be the map |
| 05:26.03 | Dogmai | http://bbs.islga.org/job.php?action=download&aid=74460 |
| 05:26.11 | Dogmai | oh wait |
| 05:26.13 | Dogmai | shit |
| 05:26.15 | Dogmai | thats the same old one |
| 05:26.37 | deathnight114 | Not the map w/ the actual chars? |
| 05:28.29 | Dogmai | not sure |
| 05:28.36 | Dogmai | im signing up to that website now |
| 05:28.44 | deathnight114 | Yeah that's not the new one |
| 05:28.46 | deathnight114 | That's the old one |
| 05:29.58 | Dogmai | kk im logged in |
| 05:30.05 | deathnight114 | okay |
| 05:30.06 | Dogmai | fuck that was an effort and a half |
| 05:30.09 | Dogmai | i need more chinesey skills |
| 05:30.11 | deathnight114 | LOL |
| 05:30.19 | Dogmai | i <3 my gf |
| 05:30.21 | deathnight114 | You have more than me X.X |
| 05:30.37 | Dogmai | obvsly |
| 05:31.52 | onetwo | back |
| 05:31.58 | onetwo | man, extra gig of ram is so gooooood |
| 05:32.09 | onetwo | on 2 gigs of ram, when i ran sc2 with editor open |
| 05:32.16 | onetwo | it would lag when anything happened like unit dieing |
| 05:32.18 | onetwo | took forever to load |
| 05:32.25 | onetwo | i assume memory limit was issue but never did anything |
| 05:32.27 | onetwo | then now on 3 gigs... |
| 05:32.31 | Dogmai | mate, on my old comp, 2 gigs of ram ... i couldnt even load the data editor! |
| 05:32.32 | onetwo | everything is so much faster |
| 05:32.55 | deathnight114 | I'm on 8GB |
| 05:32.57 | deathnight114 | >.> |
| 05:33.01 | Dogmai | 12 |
| 05:33.02 | onetwo | its interesting though now, as vista is using more ram |
| 05:33.03 | Dogmai | i win |
| 05:33.03 | onetwo | in general |
| 05:33.06 | onetwo | now that theres more space |
| 05:33.10 | deathnight114 | GG |
| 05:33.12 | deathnight114 | lol |
| 05:33.13 | Dogmai | no |
| 05:33.16 | Dogmai | vista is stupid |
| 05:33.20 | deathnight114 | Dogmaidid you find the map? |
| 05:33.20 | onetwo | if i get rich soon |
| 05:33.20 | Dogmai | its using the ram you are nto using |
| 05:33.29 | onetwo | im definitely waiting for next intel processors |
| 05:33.31 | onetwo | before my new comp |
| 05:33.36 | onetwo | the i7 or w/e |
| 05:33.40 | onetwo | is goign to be old news soon probably |
| 05:33.45 | onetwo | same with gtx line |
| 05:33.48 | onetwo | im guessing new lineup sometime soon |
| 05:33.54 | Dogmai | nope cause it didnt send my confirmination email |
| 05:33.58 | Dogmai | stupid site |
| 05:34.05 | allenmelon | whats sc2pheonix? |
| 05:34.44 | onetwo | no idea |
| 05:35.31 | allenmelon | it says sc2pheonix on the timeline |
| 05:37.02 | Dogmai | its blizzard trololololing you |
| 05:37.05 | deathnight114 | Hello? |
| 05:37.14 | nevjmac | Why is my sound actor not playing a sound :/ |
| 05:37.14 | deathnight114 | dogmai did you find the map or not? D: |
| 05:37.31 | Dogmai | i am surfing a bb in another language |
| 05:37.36 | Dogmai | like to see you try it |
| 05:37.42 | deathnight114 | Good point |
| 05:38.12 | Dogmai | at least now i remember the chinese characters for password |
| 05:38.32 | Dogmai | oh wow |
| 05:38.37 | Dogmai | its pinging active users on a map |
| 05:38.38 | Dogmai | and there we go |
| 05:38.44 | Dogmai | it shows me in my city |
| 05:40.11 | Dogmai | oh wow |
| 05:40.13 | Dogmai | chinese dota |
| 05:40.15 | Dogmai | in starcraft |
| 05:40.20 | Dogmai | thats interesting |
| 05:40.34 | onetwo | chinese facebook |
| 05:40.36 | onetwo | chinese________ |
| 05:40.36 | deathnight114 | eh? |
| 05:40.37 | onetwo | lol |
| 05:41.50 | Dogmai | deathnight |
| 05:41.52 | Dogmai | here u go |
| 05:41.52 | deathnight114 | hm? |
| 05:41.53 | Dogmai | http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fbbs.islga.org%2Fread-htm-tid-40363-fpage-3.html&act=url |
| 05:41.53 | deathnight114 | :D |
| 05:41.59 | Dogmai | now you can look |
| 05:42.00 | Dogmai | :P |
| 05:42.22 | Dogmai | hey i was right |
| 05:42.27 | deathnight114 | THANK YOU SO MUCH :D |
| 05:42.28 | Dogmai | i clicked on the right forum |
| 05:42.30 | Currydevil | Alright, testing my missile.. |
| 05:42.37 | Currydevil | let's see if i did it right. |
| 05:43.16 | deathnight114 | It looks like the old version :( |
| 05:43.38 | Dogmai | yeah so i said |
| 05:43.44 | Dogmai | but at least you know that the maker is there |
| 05:44.15 | deathnight114 | lkjhasdf |
| 05:44.17 | deathnight114 | -_- |
| 05:44.38 | deathnight114 | That doesn't help me all that much :/ |
| 05:44.48 | Dogmai | well it does when you think about it |
| 05:44.58 | Dogmai | because the one person who you know definately has the map |
| 05:45.02 | Dogmai | i just showed you where he is |
| 05:45.34 | Currydevil | woot my missile works! |
| 05:46.37 | Dogmai | ill post a post on there |
| 05:47.02 | Dogmai | and see if i can find it for you deathnight |
| 05:47.08 | deathnight114 | Alright |
| 05:50.54 | deathnight114 | Thank you |
| 05:52.42 | Currydevil | Hrm, the impact effect on the actor is beating the missile to the target =( |
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| 06:13.46 | Currydevil | Anyone have an idea how to make my missiles impact model hit the same time the missile does? Atm the impact model is hitting as soon as I target a unit with my missile. |
| 06:14.41 | Currydevil | well it hits as soon as my unit launches the missile. |
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| 06:48.25 | Currydevil | hmm what kind of effects should i put on my missile.... |
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| 06:51.51 | nevjmac | finally got my sound actor working the way I want it |
| 06:51.52 | nevjmac | thank god |
| 06:51.58 | Currydevil | hah |
| 06:52.14 | nevjmac | having real difficulty getting it to play the sound more than once stupid F*n thing |
| 06:52.25 | XenoX | has anyone used custom sounds/models/textures yet? |
| 06:52.26 | Currydevil | oh boy |
| 06:52.45 | nevjmac | I have custom buttons |
| 06:52.51 | Currydevil | i've imported some and used a couple planet models, why? |
| 06:53.30 | XenoX | curious is all |
| 06:53.33 | nevjmac | lol |
| 06:56.08 | XenoX | I might be using some in the future |
| 06:56.14 | XenoX | any quirks or oddities to look out for? |
| 06:56.34 | Currydevil | um.. no? just make sure you do the import properly I suppose. |
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| 06:56.43 | Currydevil | there are guides |
| 06:56.48 | Currydevil | look em up when you're ready |
| 06:57.01 | XenoX | ah k |
| 06:57.22 | XenoX | also, does anyone know if you can animate the torso seperate from the legs? like for a first person shooter? |
| 06:57.26 | XenoX | or third person shooter |
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| 06:58.05 | XenoX | I'm looking to make the hero face the cursor at all times |
| 06:58.12 | XenoX | but without looking funny when walking |
| 06:58.22 | Currydevil | no idea =| |
| 06:58.24 | XenoX | naturtally his legs should aim the direction he is going |
| 06:58.28 | XenoX | ah k |
| 06:58.34 | nevjmac | your waiting for next editor patch |
| 06:58.42 | nevjmac | oh wait misread that |
| 06:59.01 | nevjmac | for that would would need a torso turret of the body |
| 06:59.14 | nevjmac | quite possibly do able |
| 06:59.15 | XenoX | yeah |
| 07:03.51 | XenoX | maybe use like diamondback mechanics lol |
| 07:04.15 | XenoX | brb |
| 07:08.21 | grim001 | suppose you could create your own scripting language for SC2: what kind of features would it contain? |
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| 07:11.25 | Currydevil | After initial searching I seem to be missing the spot where I modify the units attack speed via buff? or is it a diff behavior? |
| 07:12.36 | Currydevil | or modify unit effect |
| 07:12.39 | Currydevil | hmmm |
| 07:13.50 | onetwo | F |
| 07:13.54 | onetwo | item charges are just not working |
| 07:14.03 | onetwo | is there any known bugs with 'useable' items |
| 07:14.18 | onetwo | i have mine set to 4 charges max, 3 charges start, and 1 charge use |
| 07:14.26 | onetwo | ingame it starts at 4 for some reason, and uses 0 for each one |
| 07:14.30 | onetwo | so never goes down |
| 07:15.42 | XenoX | thought you said you wouldnt be using items ;p |
| 07:16.05 | onetwo | nope i am |
| 07:16.12 | Currydevil | i haven't had problems onetwo |
| 07:16.16 | onetwo | really? |
| 07:16.18 | onetwo | wtf then |
| 07:16.21 | Currydevil | I made a potion with 5 max, start 5, and 1 use |
| 07:16.24 | Currydevil | it works perfectly |
| 07:16.26 | onetwo | my item makes a sentry ward at the location |
| 07:16.32 | onetwo | works fine |
| 07:16.35 | onetwo | just charges are Fed |
| 07:16.39 | Currydevil | Well.. hmm |
| 07:16.41 | Currydevil | I dunno |
| 07:16.43 | onetwo | i even deleted it |
| 07:16.46 | onetwo | and copied healing potion one |
| 07:16.49 | onetwo | from blizz |
| 07:16.51 | Currydevil | I copied the 'test health potion' |
| 07:16.51 | onetwo | and same problem |
| 07:17.00 | Currydevil | hrmm |
| 07:17.02 | Currydevil | I dunno lol |
| 07:17.39 | Currydevil | atm trying to figure out where to modify attack speed. =O I should know this... Chrono boost and I used that a bit in a previous map i made |
| 07:17.48 | Currydevil | < noob |
| 07:17.56 | onetwo | combat |
| 07:18.00 | onetwo | attack speed multiplier |
| 07:18.02 | onetwo | wait for a buff |
| 07:18.03 | onetwo | or for a unit? |
| 07:18.49 | Currydevil | yay found it. it's hidden in the combat section between all the damage respone fields |
| 07:18.52 | Currydevil | response* |
| 07:19.07 | Currydevil | I knew it was somewhere, a tiny field amongst giants! |
| 07:19.38 | Currydevil | hmmm |
| 07:19.50 | Currydevil | I need to make my enemy comp a beast with these abilities I have |
| 07:19.57 | Currydevil | or the players will walk all over it. |
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| 07:22.37 | onetwo | weird |
| 07:22.40 | onetwo | making charges 5:5:1 |
| 07:22.42 | onetwo | max:start:use |
| 07:22.44 | onetwo | makes it work |
| 07:22.46 | onetwo | 3:3:1 = broken |
| 07:22.47 | onetwo | lol |
| 07:22.49 | onetwo | wtttttttttttttf |
| 07:23.12 | onetwo | INTERESTING |
| 07:23.18 | onetwo | i changed item to be based on default effect item |
| 07:23.23 | onetwo | rather than healing potion |
| 07:23.28 | onetwo | and suddenly the charge use field changed to 0 |
| 07:24.03 | progammer | so anyone knows any details about the HON map editor |
| 07:24.14 | Currydevil | no idea |
| 07:24.43 | progammer | still i guess no editor can come close to blizzard's |
| 07:25.16 | progammer | just saw another chinese MMO dota, there just SO MANY DOTA !! |
| 07:25.35 | XenoX | yeah waste of space imo |
| 07:25.42 | XenoX | unless they bring something fresh to the table |
| 07:26.00 | XenoX | enough dota clones in the world |
| 07:26.39 | onetwo | i didnt really even play the original |
| 07:26.44 | onetwo | too much sitting around farming levels |
| 07:26.53 | onetwo | cant just relax |
| 07:26.55 | XenoX | lol yeah thats true |
| 07:26.55 | onetwo | for a moment |
| 07:26.59 | XenoX | first 20 minutes is like setup |
| 07:27.31 | XenoX | there's a bit of back and forth |
| 07:27.41 | XenoX | but your main attention is spent last hitting, so meh |
| 07:27.49 | XenoX | thats something I really dont want in my map |
| 07:28.09 | Currydevil | I'm contemplating a board game |
| 07:28.11 | progammer | last hitting is an art |
| 07:28.14 | Currydevil | lol |
| 07:28.15 | progammer | you need to be an artist |
| 07:28.23 | XenoX | rofl |
| 07:28.31 | XenoX | if last hitting is an art then I'm fucken picasso |
| 07:28.32 | Currydevil | Evelyn in LoL is a last hit beast ;) |
| 07:28.39 | Currydevil | I like her.. |
| 07:28.53 | XenoX | and clearly I'm not picasso so ;p |
| 07:28.56 | Currydevil | lol |
| 07:31.15 | progammer | they even do research on attack animation, animation canceling stuff like that |
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| 07:31.58 | Dogmai | programmer do you know how to convert integers to timeofday |
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| 07:32.38 | progammer | you have to do that yourself ? |
| 07:32.48 | progammer | i only see the time text format |
| 07:33.26 | Dogmai | yea |
| 07:33.35 | Dogmai | blizzards system is based on gametime |
| 07:33.37 | Dogmai | not realtime |
| 07:33.54 | Dogmai | the only way i figured out to do it is to actually keep track of time in integer form |
| 07:34.15 | Dogmai | and then change the time of day to the integers based on a huge array filled out manually |
| 07:34.50 | Bibendus | oh noone replyed to my dk post |
| 07:34.51 | Bibendus | i m sad |
| 07:34.52 | Bibendus | :D |
| 07:34.55 | Bibendus | hi guyz |
| 07:35.12 | Dogmai | lawl |
| 07:35.17 | Dogmai | i just copied and pasted 8mb of triggers |
| 07:35.28 | Dogmai | that is how much manual information there is for the day/night system |
| 07:35.38 | Dogmai | stupid non existant integer to timeofday |
| 07:35.57 | Currydevil | Hmmm no good, my model is att he wrong spot. |
| 07:36.08 | Bibendus | fail? |
| 07:36.13 | Currydevil | I suppose. |
| 07:36.28 | Bibendus | there is a preset sure |
| 07:36.30 | Bibendus | for that |
| 07:37.08 | Dogmai | nope |
| 07:37.12 | Dogmai | no preset |
| 07:37.59 | Bibendus | then make 1 |
| 07:38.04 | LordAbyss | god i love cracklings |
| 07:38.04 | Bibendus | and use a switch |
| 07:38.12 | Bibendus | or a function |
| 07:38.14 | Bibendus | to convert it |
| 07:38.18 | progammer | preset are for text though |
| 07:38.26 | Bibendus | ye i don't know |
| 07:38.33 | Bibendus | if its a time hh:mm |
| 07:38.37 | Bibendus | or a day/night/dawn |
| 07:38.38 | Bibendus | whatever |
| 07:38.39 | Bibendus | xD |
| 07:39.30 | Dogmai | well there must be a way to get the integer values |
| 07:39.35 | Dogmai | to set them |
| 07:42.13 | Bibendus | what format is it |
| 07:43.24 | Bibendus | 00 0 |
| 07:43.26 | Bibendus | lol |
| 07:43.29 | Bibendus | 0 0 0 |
| 07:43.43 | Bibendus | i suppose |
| 07:43.53 | Bibendus | u cn just use < and > |
| 07:44.01 | Bibendus | so whats the prob |
| 07:44.28 | Dogmai | so say i store an array of integers |
| 07:44.47 | Dogmai | H[24] M[60] S[60] |
| 07:45.03 | Dogmai | I want to be able to say set TimeOfDay[H,M,S] |
| 07:45.05 | onetwo | anyone got a moment to come test a map with me? |
| 07:45.10 | Dogmai | yea |
| 07:45.11 | Currydevil | dsure |
| 07:45.13 | Dogmai | as always onetwo |
| 07:45.15 | onetwo | woo |
| 07:45.16 | onetwo | thx |
| 07:45.19 | onetwo | nothing much changed for prisoner |
| 07:45.22 | onetwo | mostly just cop stuff |
| 07:45.24 | onetwo | and items |
| 07:45.37 | onetwo | NA: Onetwo.855 |
| 07:45.39 | onetwo | incase its gone |
| 07:45.42 | Bibendus | to do what :D |
| 07:45.56 | Bibendus | print the time? |
| 07:46.09 | onetwo | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:46.10 | onetwo | want to come? |
| 07:46.10 | Dogmai | no the opposite |
| 07:46.12 | onetwo | more is better |
| 07:46.15 | Dogmai | printing the time through a custom function is easy |
| 07:46.19 | Dogmai | its Setting the time! |
| 07:46.23 | Dogmai | that is the bitch :) |
| 07:46.48 | onetwo | k im ingame |
| 07:46.51 | onetwo | with magnade |
| 07:48.32 | Bibendus | fuu i m late |
| 07:48.33 | Bibendus | goin to work |
| 07:48.38 | Bibendus | cya this evening |
| 07:56.27 | PointBlank | anyone here |
| 07:57.10 | PointBlank | really seems around this time it's dead ... nobody from western canada that stays up til midnight? lol |
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| 08:28.36 | onetwo | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:28.50 | onetwo | sorry bout that |
| 08:28.54 | onetwo | who the F killed me |
| 08:29.15 | onetwo | anyway, thanks for the testing help :D |
| 08:29.29 | Dogmai | tis was me!!!!!!!!! |
| 08:29.39 | onetwo | 1. do you think win for cops should be all prisoners in jail at once... OR like '10 captures total' |
| 08:29.46 | onetwo | 2. leaderboard should show what for pris and cops? |
| 08:29.52 | Dogmai | have both different game modes |
| 08:30.32 | Currydevil | could show income for prisoners |
| 08:30.36 | Currydevil | and maybe captures per cop |
| 08:31.15 | Currydevil | And grrr, my model is not showing at the right place. |
| 08:31.40 | Currydevil | using a persistent as the actor event and the model shows up on the casting unit rather than the target of the persisten |
| 08:31.43 | Currydevil | nt* |
| 08:31.45 | onetwo | do you think it would be annoying though cause cops would be able to see income and know certain prisoners are building up |
| 08:31.47 | onetwo | or is it fine |
| 08:31.56 | Currydevil | well, I was thinking that. |
| 08:32.13 | Currydevil | but you still don;t know where they are building up with one cop anyways |
| 08:32.19 | Currydevil | but with 2 you have decent coverage of the map |
| 08:32.25 | Currydevil | doesn't take long to find someone |
| 08:32.30 | onetwo | yeah |
| 08:35.42 | Currydevil | and of course, show which pris is in jail, and if a cop is dead |
| 08:36.54 | onetwo | mm |
| 08:38.45 | onetwo | k now the daytime stuff |
| 08:38.48 | onetwo | whats the deal |
| 08:39.01 | onetwo | Dogmai |
| 08:39.05 | onetwo | run me down from the beginning |
| 08:39.07 | onetwo | why its so big |
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| 08:39.12 | onetwo | and what youre trying to do |
| 08:40.46 | Dogmai | integer to timeofday |
| 08:41.30 | Dogmai | oh and in regards to your map, you spend too much time waiting around to get cash to take down the cops |
| 08:41.33 | Dogmai | needs to be more action packed |
| 08:41.44 | onetwo | i think income problem would fix that |
| 08:41.49 | onetwo | cop side is already fast paced as you saw |
| 08:41.58 | onetwo | but you guys were severely underpowered |
| 08:42.02 | onetwo | it was a joke when i rolled in |
| 08:42.17 | onetwo | um, integer to time of day |
| 08:42.22 | onetwo | is integer game time elapsed? |
| 08:42.34 | Dogmai | okay so think like this right |
| 08:42.48 | Dogmai | i have 3 integers |
| 08:43.15 | Dogmai | ugh |
| 08:43.42 | Dogmai | i want to be able to set timeofday from integers |
| 08:43.54 | Dogmai | so say you have an integer for hour, minute, second |
| 08:44.13 | Dogmai | timeofday = intH intM intS |
| 08:45.51 | onetwo | so if hour was 7, minute was 35, second was 59 |
| 08:45.55 | onetwo | what does time of day become? |
| 08:45.58 | onetwo | and what is it ? a string? |
| 08:46.22 | Dogmai | well i can convert it to a string |
| 08:46.24 | Dogmai | that is no problem |
| 08:46.34 | Dogmai | its actually changing it via triggers |
| 08:46.42 | Dogmai | you can store timeofday in a variable right |
| 08:46.49 | Dogmai | but you cannot edit those numbers in the variable |
| 08:46.52 | Dogmai | abiet manually |
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| 08:47.28 | onetwo | im confused |
| 08:47.31 | onetwo | whats your input |
| 08:47.34 | onetwo | and whats your output |
| 08:47.38 | Helral|Work | meows |
| 08:47.40 | Dogmai | create a new local variable of timeofday |
| 08:47.48 | onetwo | type? |
| 08:47.55 | Dogmai | time of day |
| 08:48.06 | Dogmai | you will see 00:00:00 |
| 08:48.09 | Dogmai | but no way to manipulate that |
| 08:48.10 | onetwo | wtf thats a type |
| 08:48.13 | Dogmai | yes |
| 08:48.21 | Helral|Work | onetwo: yup ;p |
| 08:48.39 | Helral|Work | onetwo: it is for the gui ;p |
| 08:48.45 | onetwo | oh |
| 08:48.56 | onetwo | okay so given this time of day var |
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| 08:49.03 | onetwo | your problem is you cant get the vals from it? |
| 08:49.10 | Phaos | yoh! |
| 08:49.15 | Helral|Work | meows |
| 08:49.35 | Phaos | :3 |
| 08:49.38 | Dogmai | basically cant input vals into it |
| 08:50.27 | Dogmai | i want to be able to story an array of integers |
| 08:50.34 | Dogmai | and then set timeofday based off those integers |
| 08:50.52 | onetwo | why do you need time of day by the way? |
| 08:50.59 | Helral|Work | Dogmai: how can you set timeofday atm? (is it done with h,m,s?) |
| 08:50.59 | onetwo | what is it being used for? |
| 08:51.00 | Currydevil | Hrmmm, my model continues to not cooperate with me :'( |
| 08:51.09 | Dogmai | yes |
| 08:51.21 | Dogmai | um i made my own day night system instead of using the one blizzard built in |
| 08:51.32 | Dogmai | because it corresponds with the UI |
| 08:51.53 | onetwo | hmm |
| 08:51.55 | Helral|Work | Dogmai: use a record that has 3 integer values. 1=h, 2=m, 3=s. and create an array of that record. |
| 08:52.03 | onetwo | yeah |
| 08:52.07 | onetwo | a record is like an object |
| 08:52.11 | onetwo | that can have member variables |
| 08:52.32 | onetwo | so you can give the 'record' called Time_of_day or w/e you want to call it |
| 08:52.36 | onetwo | 3 integer variables in it |
| 08:52.41 | onetwo | h,m, and s as helral says |
| 08:52.50 | onetwo | then you can have a global array of those records |
| 08:52.56 | Dogmai | ugh |
| 08:53.00 | Phaos | the data editor WASD method is so far the fastest in response time right ? |
| 08:53.01 | Dogmai | i never even heard of records |
| 08:53.06 | Dogmai | i gotta google it |
| 08:53.11 | onetwo | not really |
| 08:53.12 | onetwo | just right click |
| 08:53.17 | onetwo | in trigger left panel |
| 08:53.22 | onetwo | and go new-record |
| 08:53.34 | onetwo | then add vars inside it |
| 08:53.34 | Phaos | oh records saved my life when I found them xD |
| 08:53.36 | onetwo | and good to go |
| 08:54.01 | Phaos | i gotta know why they are called records and not objects tho |
| 08:54.06 | Dogmai | i still dont understand what they are -_- |
| 08:54.13 | Helral|Work | Dogmai: it's called structs in the galaxy language and in C I think. |
| 08:54.15 | Dogmai | and yes i made i |
| 08:54.24 | Phaos | if you have done any computer science they are essentially onjects |
| 08:54.30 | Dogmai | nope |
| 08:54.33 | Phaos | objects* |
| 08:54.34 | Dogmai | clueless as a bat in a shitter |
| 08:55.09 | Phaos | well I had it explained to me in terms of a car |
| 08:55.18 | onetwo | well it means instead of having to make an array of hours ints, an array of mins ints, and array of seconds ints |
| 08:55.29 | Helral|Work | well basicly a record is, as Phaos says, an object with attributes. just like a Hero is wc3 had 3 attributes (str, agi, int), a record can have those attributes as well. but you decide what those attributes are. |
| 08:55.31 | onetwo | you can just make a record which has an hour int, mins int, and seconds int inside it |
| 08:55.36 | onetwo | then make an array of your custom record |
| 08:55.45 | onetwo | and in this case you can call your record a 'time of day' |
| 08:55.55 | Dogmai | uh huh |
| 08:55.58 | Dogmai | im with you guys so far |
| 08:56.11 | Dogmai | but how would i call it into timeofday() |
| 08:56.19 | Dogmai | even after the record is created, would i have to use a custom script? |
| 08:56.21 | Phaos | the record = car. and in this car is several items a boolean (door) a several reals (stearing wheel, peedles) and a another object (engine) |
| 08:56.37 | Phaos | another record* |
| 08:56.59 | two13 | dogmai, you need to be able to use variables to set a timeofday type var right? |
| 08:57.08 | Phaos | kinda understand a record now xD ? |
| 08:58.15 | Dekar- | record = bunch of variables thrown together -_- |
| 08:58.27 | Dekar- | but they are not that fun to use in GUI |
| 08:58.44 | Phaos | they totally are dekar xD |
| 08:59.09 | Helral|Work | Dekar-: why not? I've only used them in GUI so far. |
| 08:59.12 | Dekar- | you need to create an array of them and then throw the array index around? |
| 08:59.28 | Dekar- | if you use multiple |
| 08:59.30 | onetwo | sometimes i undress my records and touch them inappropriately. dont you tell me they arent fun |
| 08:59.38 | Dekar- | :S |
| 08:59.58 | Phaos | fortunately the data editor is there to help us make objects/records outside of the GUI but for the GUI we need to use triggers. and to use triggers for GUI we needs records/objects |
| 09:00.01 | Helral|Work | I usually link them to player numbers ;p |
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| 09:00.07 | Dekar- | well in andromeda you can use them as arguments |
| 09:00.10 | Dekar- | and stuff |
| 09:00.14 | Dekar- | ! |
| 09:00.24 | Phaos | your mom is an argument |
| 09:00.29 | Bounty | OOOH |
| 09:00.31 | Bounty | BURRN |
| 09:00.32 | Dekar- | and you dont need 5 clicks to select a single variable out of them |
| 09:00.32 | Currydevil | So, someone tell me how to fix my model not showing up where I want it =P |
| 09:00.41 | Dekar- | move it to the right location! |
| 09:00.44 | Bounty | Use triggers |
| 09:00.46 | Currydevil | no kidding!@ |
| 09:00.47 | Bounty | lolol |
| 09:00.50 | Currydevil | I never would have guessed |
| 09:00.57 | Phaos | assignedchar[0].bane (bane is assigned to player 1) |
| 09:01.08 | Helral|Work | Currydevil: use the correct attachment point? |
| 09:01.11 | Currydevil | Well |
| 09:01.16 | Dekar- | give us more infos! |
| 09:01.36 | Currydevil | atm, the difference is the model is appearing at the caster unit instead of the impact location of the missile, where it creates the persistent |
| 09:01.59 | Currydevil | the model is triggered with the start of the persistent |
| 09:02.00 | Dekar- | then you need to change |
| 09:02.02 | Dekar- | the thing |
| 09:02.03 | Dekar- | ! |
| 09:02.06 | Dekar- | like caster |
| 09:02.07 | Dekar- | to |
| 09:02.11 | Dekar- | target or whatever |
| 09:02.12 | Currydevil | and if I try to use 'at target' it doesnt work |
| 09:02.16 | Currydevil | afor a term |
| 09:02.17 | Dekar- | then you broke it |
| 09:02.28 | Currydevil | Nu uh |
| 09:02.51 | Dekar- | there are 2 other users on freenode using dekar |
| 09:02.52 | Dekar- | >_> |
| 09:02.58 | Bounty | So... |
| 09:03.01 | Bounty | Star Battle? |
| 09:03.04 | onetwo | anyone tried removing tips from loading screen |
| 09:03.05 | onetwo | ? |
| 09:03.07 | Bounty | Thats the new best map? |
| 09:03.09 | Bounty | lol |
| 09:03.12 | Helral|Work | Currydevil: create a dummy effect at the target unit, and attach the model to that dummy effect. |
| 09:03.15 | Dekar- | you can remove them by entering your own ._. |
| 09:03.17 | onetwo | i removed them from my gameplay UI settings |
| 09:03.21 | onetwo | and it put default ones still in |
| 09:03.23 | onetwo | i want none |
| 09:03.33 | Helral|Work | you can set that effect at the persistant, in the target effect field or something. |
| 09:03.37 | Dogmai | two13: yes |
| 09:03.41 | Bounty | are you talking about that bar at the bottom onetwo? |
| 09:03.44 | Bounty | that displays help tips? |
| 09:03.49 | onetwo | yeah that bar that randomly diusplays tips |
| 09:03.51 | onetwo | right above loading |
| 09:03.58 | Dekar- | enter your own tip |
| 09:03.59 | two13 | yeah dogmai records won't help you i don't think, they need a string to time function but i don't see one |
| 09:04.01 | Bounty | u know how u can have a custom loading screen with text? |
| 09:04.03 | Bounty | u go to that menu |
| 09:04.08 | Bounty | and u can type in your own help tips |
| 09:04.11 | Bounty | that replace that :) |
| 09:04.19 | onetwo | i have it all in a custom loading screen |
| 09:04.22 | onetwo | and the stupid default ones are going over top |
| 09:04.24 | onetwo | lol |
| 09:04.40 | Bounty | is the loading screen a picture? |
| 09:04.41 | Phaos | yeah you can disable them.. don't ask how (I am super helpful :3 ) |
| 09:04.43 | Bounty | with all the text? |
| 09:04.57 | Currydevil | even the site op AttachTarget fails ;) |
| 09:05.00 | onetwo | picture iwth everything |
| 09:05.06 | Bounty | why not just transfer what you have on ur loading screen to the help bar |
| 09:05.07 | onetwo | k i put a space in Help on loading screen text |
| 09:05.10 | Dogmai | you can do timeofday to string |
| 09:05.15 | onetwo | cause im using nicer formatting and font |
| 09:05.16 | onetwo | gradients |
| 09:05.17 | Bounty | lol did that do it onetwo? |
| 09:05.18 | Dogmai | but not anything else |
| 09:05.19 | onetwo | bevel/emboss |
| 09:05.23 | onetwo | ill find out i guess |
| 09:05.26 | Dogmai | at the moment, what i do |
| 09:05.38 | Dogmai | is I manually filled out an array |
| 09:05.44 | Dogmai | but that is also 8mb of trigger data |
| 09:05.50 | Dogmai | 1.3mb compressed |
| 09:06.08 | Currydevil | Helral what type of effect though? I already have the persistent at the target. Just doesn't make sense =( |
| 09:06.17 | Currydevil | wait |
| 09:06.23 | Currydevil | Let me try it off the search area first |
| 09:06.38 | two13 | dogmai how do you want to determine what goes in the time var? |
| 09:06.57 | Dogmai | i forget, i coded it about 3 months ago |
| 09:07.00 | two13 | there's a function for current time of day, are you wanting to get input from the user to set it? |
| 09:07.27 | Bounty | How long has SC2 been out? |
| 09:07.30 | Dogmai | basically there is a timer clock |
| 09:07.34 | Bounty | Anyone know? |
| 09:07.40 | two13 | julyish? |
| 09:07.46 | Dogmai | that counds the seconds, minutes, hours a game has been going for |
| 09:07.54 | Dogmai | the time of day is based on that clock |
| 09:08.00 | two13 | ok hrm |
| 09:08.12 | Bounty | so thats 4 months... and we still have the same list of maps on bnet? |
| 09:08.15 | Bounty | lol |
| 09:08.21 | Currydevil | Hmm, so that didn't work |
| 09:08.22 | Dogmai | the user interface also updates itself based off the variables that are stored |
| 09:08.24 | Phaos | onetwo you are US local right ? |
| 09:08.36 | Currydevil | What effect would I create there Helral? |
| 09:08.45 | Dogmai | that time of day is stored in an array |
| 09:09.14 | two13 | so how many times of day do you care about? |
| 09:09.18 | two13 | 2? day and night? |
| 09:09.20 | Dogmai | so what it does is it checks to see if (milliseconds/seconds/minutes) are correct in the timer, then it changes the time of day |
| 09:09.24 | onetwo | im US |
| 09:09.40 | Dogmai | well at the moment it updates itself ... |
| 09:10.04 | Currydevil | Nvm, i got it now. I have it creating from the damage effect, and destroying when the persistent is gone |
| 09:10.06 | Phaos | would mind jumping on sc2 in a couple minutes to test a portion of my map ? |
| 09:10.20 | Bounty | I wish this irc involved less helping eachother and more talk about nonesense and bitching about popularity system |
| 09:10.28 | Bounty | >< |
| 09:10.32 | Currydevil | No wai Bounty |
| 09:10.32 | onetwo | sure one sec phaos |
| 09:10.37 | Dogmai | 30 times an hour (for during the night/day) |
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| 09:10.40 | Phaos | also why when publishing would I be getting a "transmitting Header file Failed" |
| 09:10.51 | Bounty | Ok well i mean, whenever im here and not in the editor |
| 09:10.54 | Bounty | i wish it was like that |
| 09:10.56 | Bounty | lol |
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| 09:11.00 | Currydevil | keep trying or has it occured every time since it started Phaos? |
| 09:11.03 | two13 | you want 30 different states of the day? |
| 09:11.03 | Dogmai | 180 times an hour during change times, ie sunset / sunrise |
| 09:11.03 | Phaos | publishing worked the first time. but it's been failing ever since |
| 09:11.15 | Currydevil | ah |
| 09:11.21 | Phaos | what I changed since was the game variants |
| 09:11.23 | Currydevil | no Idea. thought maybe it was just a momentary bug |
| 09:11.25 | Bounty | I dont know how you guys do it :) |
| 09:11.27 | Currydevil | or error rather |
| 09:11.48 | Dogmai | 1 real second = 1 minute of the day |
| 09:11.54 | onetwo | Phaos any custom races EVEN in editor at all = fail upload |
| 09:12.00 | Bounty | What gives you guys the confidence to keep working on your maps? |
| 09:12.04 | Phaos | no custom races |
| 09:12.06 | onetwo | can ONLY specify controller in map->Player properties |
| 09:12.07 | two13 | hrm |
| 09:12.11 | onetwo | everything else must be default |
| 09:12.14 | Dogmai | easy, dont want to talk to people in my life, working on maps solves that |
| 09:12.20 | onetwo | cannot lock slots in game variant |
| 09:12.22 | onetwo | to open/closed |
| 09:12.23 | Bounty | lol |
| 09:12.33 | Dogmai | so to get a beautiful gradient of sunrise/sunset |
| 09:12.34 | Bounty | well |
| 09:12.37 | Phaos | I locked races to terran O.o. would that do it ? |
| 09:12.38 | Dogmai | it has to be updated 10 times a second |
| 09:12.41 | Bounty | i cant finish my map until Blizzard increases the map file size |
| 09:12.41 | Dogmai | the light |
| 09:12.43 | Bounty | so |
| 09:12.45 | Dogmai | otherwise the screen flickers |
| 09:12.46 | Bounty | fuck you blizz |
| 09:12.50 | Bounty | thats all i can say about that :) |
| 09:12.55 | Bounty | 10.5mb.... |
| 09:12.58 | Bounty | da fuck |
| 09:13.02 | Currydevil | Bounty.. no one said i was working on my map, i'm just making abilities right now |
| 09:13.02 | onetwo | Phaos |
| 09:13.06 | onetwo | if you lock races in game variant |
| 09:13.07 | onetwo | its fine |
| 09:13.08 | Currydevil | for a map I may not even finish now. |
| 09:13.13 | onetwo | if you set races in map->Player properties |
| 09:13.14 | onetwo | gg upload |
| 09:13.18 | Bounty | I cant finish my map |
| 09:13.25 | Bounty | because i cant add anythign else |
| 09:13.31 | Bounty | im at over 10.5mb |
| 09:13.34 | Currydevil | well yours is more of a Bnet limitation rather than growing board of what you have |
| 09:13.45 | Currydevil | bored* |
| 09:13.53 | Phaos | ok so no setting races in player properties ? |
| 09:13.58 | Bounty | i just bought Call of Duty Black Ops |
| 09:13.59 | Currydevil | mhm |
| 09:13.59 | Phaos | (clarification) |
| 09:14.01 | Bounty | You know what it reminds me of? |
| 09:14.02 | Currydevil | ah |
| 09:14.04 | Currydevil | what? |
| 09:14.06 | Bounty | Dynasty Warriors |
| 09:14.12 | Bounty | The same fucking game |
| 09:14.14 | Bounty | over and over |
| 09:14.25 | Bounty | Dynasty Warriors 1-8 |
| 09:14.26 | Bounty | same game |
| 09:14.31 | Dogmai | fuck it ... |
| 09:14.32 | Bounty | Call of Duty 4,5,6,7 |
| 09:14.33 | Dogmai | just leave it as it is ... it works even though its like 1.3 mb compressed, ill fix it later |
| 09:14.33 | two13 | for what reason do you need to use the timeofday var? |
| 09:14.34 | Bounty | same game |
| 09:14.35 | Bounty | lol |
| 09:15.19 | Bounty | Its like everywhere i go i see the game shit i played 4 years ago |
| 09:15.21 | Currydevil | hah |
| 09:15.22 | Bounty | Even on bnet lol |
| 09:15.45 | Bounty | although there is this one game i saw that u all should check out |
| 09:15.51 | Bounty | Bloodline Champions |
| 09:15.54 | Bounty | looks very cool |
| 09:15.58 | onetwo | YES Phaos |
| 09:16.01 | two13 | it's pretty fun |
| 09:16.08 | Phaos | thanks :3 |
| 09:16.09 | Bounty | u played it two? |
| 09:16.13 | Phaos | that did infact fix it xD |
| 09:16.18 | two13 | yeah i'm in beta, or was, dunno if it's still going |
| 09:16.34 | Phaos | sorry I am just a needy mess and require constant varification |
| 09:16.34 | Bounty | its funny i saw that game and was like |
| 09:16.40 | Bounty | that should have been a sc2 map by now |
| 09:16.41 | Bounty | but no |
| 09:16.42 | Phaos | I am a SSL certificate |
| 09:16.43 | Bounty | lol |
| 09:16.56 | Phaos | onetwo Rorax.819 |
| 09:17.01 | two13 | well, it would take a ton in sc2 editor to make it as fast paced as bloodline champs |
| 09:17.11 | two13 | it's pretty hectic |
| 09:17.15 | Dogmai | okay, so i have a timer | milliseconds(intvar) | secs | mins | hours ... based on those I want to be able to set timeofday XX.XX.XX ... where there would be an equation to get the right time based on what minute/second/millisecond combo it is |
| 09:17.22 | two13 | people have compared it to dota but it's really nothing like that |
| 09:17.25 | Bounty | Yeah but the concept of the game could be done easily |
| 09:17.33 | XenoX | nah the wads movement wouldn't work |
| 09:17.47 | Bounty | Yes it would lol |
| 09:17.54 | XenoX | not with the lag |
| 09:17.56 | Bounty | dont even bring that crap up as if its not possible |
| 09:17.57 | XenoX | it currently has |
| 09:18.15 | Bounty | Not every map has insane 2 second delay |
| 09:18.16 | XenoX | its possible but with the catch of lag |
| 09:18.23 | XenoX | even 1 second is huge |
| 09:18.31 | onetwo | k Phaos |
| 09:18.34 | Bounty | DarkRev has about 0.4 or 0.5 right now |
| 09:18.56 | Bounty | of delay |
| 09:18.58 | Bounty | n thats it |
| 09:19.15 | Bounty | u get that much playing call of duty on XBL lol |
| 09:19.20 | XenoX | well a lot of the spells are direction based |
| 09:19.27 | two13 | dogmai, what are you using the timeofday var for that you couldn't use ints for? |
| 09:19.28 | XenoX | so the difference between |
| 09:19.32 | Bounty | easy |
| 09:19.33 | XenoX | dodging and being hit by a spell |
| 09:19.37 | Bounty | just make it a click |
| 09:19.40 | Bounty | and use that angle |
| 09:19.41 | XenoX | no I mean |
| 09:19.42 | Dogmai | setting the actual timeofday |
| 09:19.44 | XenoX | the difference between |
| 09:19.47 | XenoX | dodging and being hit |
| 09:19.51 | XenoX | can be less than 0.5 sec |
| 09:20.10 | Bounty | It would be fully playable though |
| 09:20.11 | Dogmai | every 30 real seconds = 1 hour of timeofday |
| 09:20.19 | Bounty | 0.5 sec delay is adaptable |
| 09:20.26 | onetwo | im waiting Phaos |
| 09:20.30 | two13 | what does that var end up doing? something 3 ints couldn't? |
| 09:20.35 | XenoX | well you can try it |
| 09:20.37 | XenoX | but I dunno |
| 09:20.39 | Dogmai | so basically 6 mins of darkness, 6 minutes of light |
| 09:20.47 | Bounty | nah, no point in making somehting that cool |
| 09:20.48 | Phaos | I havn't got a message from you so I can't invite you :P |
| 09:20.51 | Bounty | lol |
| 09:20.52 | Dogmai | but i cannot set the var based off those 3 ints |
| 09:21.03 | Dogmai | because it needs to be an equation based on those integers to work out the time of day |
| 09:21.21 | Bounty | I cant do jack shit until Blizzard ups the map file size |
| 09:21.30 | Bounty | even if its just up to 15mb |
| 09:21.32 | XenoX | yeah thats an issue |
| 09:21.39 | XenoX | not sure why they do it |
| 09:21.45 | Bounty | Its retarded |
| 09:21.51 | XenoX | doubt they cant afford the extra webspace |
| 09:21.52 | Bounty | Give me 5 minutes to talk with whoever is in charge over there |
| 09:21.53 | onetwo | Phaos i added you |
| 09:21.54 | Bounty | and ill fix it |
| 09:21.56 | onetwo | says your offline |
| 09:21.58 | Bounty | No XenoX |
| 09:22.01 | Bounty | thats the problem |
| 09:22.02 | onetwo | btw i just looked at popularity list |
| 09:22.05 | onetwo | Nexus Wars is gone? |
| 09:22.06 | Bounty | i cant be about webspace |
| 09:22.07 | onetwo | did he stop boosting it? |
| 09:22.08 | XenoX | and most people won't make big maps anyway |
| 09:22.11 | Dogmai | i dont want timeofday to be based on game time |
| 09:22.20 | Dogmai | that is actually where the problems comes down to |
| 09:22.20 | Bounty | Because you can have 50MB of maps uploaded to bnet |
| 09:22.32 | PointBlank | ok guys, easy one for you: any way to increase a specific weapon's dmg via triggers on a given unit (not all of the units weapons) ... standard way for all weapons is to make a behaviour that does +1 dmg and repeatedly add, but to make this weapon specific? |
| 09:22.34 | two13 | i guess i don't see why you couldn't just track the time of day as an array of ints |
| 09:22.35 | Bounty | so why do INDIVIDUAL maps have to be limited? |
| 09:22.40 | XenoX | well its because |
| 09:22.44 | Bounty | just have one overall storage space |
| 09:22.44 | two13 | unless the timeofday var type is required somewhere |
| 09:22.51 | XenoX | people are more likely to |
| 09:22.54 | XenoX | make one big map |
| 09:22.59 | XenoX | rather than several small ones |
| 09:22.59 | Bounty | yeah |
| 09:23.00 | onetwo | nvm nexus is back |
| 09:23.02 | Bounty | then who cares |
| 09:23.05 | Dogmai | thats what ive done |
| 09:23.06 | Bounty | tahts how it should be |
| 09:23.07 | Bounty | lol |
| 09:23.11 | Dogmai | but its 8mb of triggers |
| 09:23.16 | XenoX | yeah but the way it is now would be more webspace efficient |
| 09:23.24 | XenoX | less people are inclined to make 5 10mb maps |
| 09:23.39 | XenoX | not many people have that many ideas to begin with |
| 09:23.44 | Bounty | I have about 13 maps |
| 09:23.46 | Bounty | lol |
| 09:23.48 | XenoX | yeah well |
| 09:23.53 | XenoX | exceptions always exist |
| 09:23.54 | PointBlank | but you're the exception bounty |
| 09:24.01 | onetwo | want to know something funny guys |
| 09:24.09 | onetwo | Nexus Wars doesnt show up if you search for Custom |
| 09:24.09 | XenoX | if its funy |
| 09:24.10 | Bounty | Ok so |
| 09:24.12 | XenoX | funny* |
| 09:24.12 | onetwo | only if you search for Tug |
| 09:24.13 | onetwo | or All |
| 09:24.17 | Bounty | If everyone made 10 maps |
| 09:24.17 | onetwo | so its exclusive |
| 09:24.20 | XenoX | heh |
| 09:24.21 | PointBlank | yup |
| 09:24.22 | Bounty | and used up all their space |
| 09:24.29 | Bounty | The servers wouldnt handle it? |
| 09:24.29 | Dekar- | PointBlank use a trigger |
| 09:24.31 | XenoX | yeah but you see it doesnt work that way |
| 09:24.34 | Phaos | what... the hell |
| 09:24.36 | XenoX | you know gmail |
| 09:24.37 | XenoX | survives |
| 09:24.40 | Phaos | you can swap regions in client |
| 09:24.43 | XenoX | because most people dont use the size limit |
| 09:24.47 | Phaos | but it's forcing my publishing to SEA |
| 09:24.47 | XenoX | err, the inbox limit |
| 09:24.54 | XenoX | if everyone maxed out their gmail accounts |
| 09:24.58 | XenoX | the servers wouldn't be able to handle it |
| 09:25.11 | Bounty | Yeah but do you really think 50mb is the LIMIT bnet can handle per account? lol |
| 09:25.12 | XenoX | google relies on people only using a portion of it |
| 09:25.13 | PointBlank | Dekar- i am using triggers, can u be more specific? |
| 09:25.22 | XenoX | doubt it |
| 09:25.30 | XenoX | but I think webspace does play a part |
| 09:25.34 | XenoX | it costs money after all |
| 09:25.36 | Dekar- | you have the unit with icnreased damage in a variable |
| 09:25.37 | onetwo | k well phaos |
| 09:25.41 | Dogmai | what |
| 09:25.42 | onetwo | im gonna go soon if it just wont work |
| 09:25.44 | onetwo | let me know |
| 09:25.44 | Phaos | does anyone know how to force the editor region ? |
| 09:25.46 | Bounty | Its blizzard |
| 09:25.48 | Dogmai | we cant upload to NA Phaos ? |
| 09:25.49 | Dekar- | event: effect is used ( not sure how its called ) |
| 09:25.50 | Bounty | they have money lol |
| 09:25.54 | Bounty | If they are short on money |
| 09:25.59 | Dekar- | but that effect of the weapon damage |
| 09:26.02 | XenoX | its not that they dont have money |
| 09:26.02 | Bounty | Just fucking come out with some new 20 dollar in game WoW mount |
| 09:26.04 | XenoX | its that they want more money |
| 09:26.06 | Dekar- | then you can check if the right unit used it |
| 09:26.12 | XenoX | the grass is always greener |
| 09:26.16 | Dekar- | and then you create another damage effect |
| 09:26.17 | XenoX | the rich always want to get richer |
| 09:26.20 | Bounty | well see heres the problem |
| 09:26.20 | Dekar- | from that unit to target |
| 09:26.21 | PointBlank | but that wouldn't display the damage on the unit itself? |
| 09:26.23 | Bounty | If its about money |
| 09:26.24 | Dekar- | for the bonus damage |
| 09:26.26 | Dekar- | hmmm |
| 09:26.29 | Dekar- | thats right :/ |
| 09:26.39 | Bounty | Then they wont have much if they lose their customer base lol |
| 09:26.50 | XenoX | they're betting on the fact that they wont |
| 09:26.56 | XenoX | cruising on SC's reputation |
| 09:26.56 | Bounty | How long can ppl sit here and be douche bags? |
| 09:26.58 | Phaos | ok you can change region in the editor PHEW |
| 09:27.00 | Dekar- | or you can |
| 09:27.04 | Bounty | This isnt the government lol |
| 09:27.06 | Bounty | we can just say |
| 09:27.07 | Dekar- | replace the weapon with a trigger |
| 09:27.07 | Bounty | fuck u |
| 09:27.09 | Bounty | and leave |
| 09:27.10 | Bounty | lol |
| 09:27.15 | XenoX | yet here we are |
| 09:27.18 | XenoX | making custom maps anyway |
| 09:27.22 | Bounty | not me |
| 09:27.28 | Bounty | i had to stop |
| 09:27.29 | XenoX | but most people |
| 09:27.30 | Bounty | as i said before |
| 09:27.31 | Bounty | lol |
| 09:27.36 | Dekar- | PointBlank replace the old weapon with a new one through trigger |
| 09:27.37 | XenoX | and you've already bought SC2 |
| 09:27.43 | XenoX | thats proof enough |
| 09:27.44 | Bounty | Doesnt matter |
| 09:27.49 | XenoX | it does for them |
| 09:27.51 | Bounty | Expansions is where its going to show |
| 09:27.57 | XenoX | yeah well |
| 09:28.00 | PointBlank | Dekar- definitely not possible, using every unit & their weapon in the game, looking for a more abstract approach |
| 09:28.04 | Bounty | Can kiss my ass if they think im paying 60 bucks lol |
| 09:28.05 | XenoX | they obviously thought it wouldn't hinder them, else they wouldn't do it |
| 09:28.13 | Bounty | It'll catch up with them |
| 09:28.20 | Bounty | If it doesnt then gaming is dead :) |
| 09:28.22 | XenoX | and they probably think that with everything else going for it, SC2 expo's will still sell well |
| 09:28.30 | XenoX | and you know they're probably right |
| 09:28.38 | XenoX | as sad as it is |
| 09:28.52 | Bounty | Between what Blizzard is doing with this game and the fact that somehow a new Call of Duty comes out every year that fucking is literaly the same game and ppl buy it anyways |
| 09:29.04 | Bounty | that says gaming is dead, if u actually like good games that is lol |
| 09:29.27 | Bounty | I boot up Black Ops and i shit my pants |
| 09:29.28 | Currydevil | so lets all boycot and play chrono trigger instead |
| 09:29.30 | Bounty | I couldnt believei t |
| 09:29.47 | two13 | gaming's not dead, but you need to support the companies who are making the hardcore games |
| 09:29.50 | Bounty | Literaly i booted up the game and my pants where destroyed and the first thing i said was |
| 09:29.51 | two13 | like Atlus |
| 09:29.52 | XenoX | yeah I hear ya, was just trying to show you why blizz went the way they did |
| 09:29.55 | Bounty | "They did it again!" |
| 09:30.11 | XenoX | they dont expect retaliation |
| 09:30.25 | Currydevil | too bad you can't return that now Bounty |
| 09:30.26 | XenoX | or rather, they dont expect retaliation with impact |
| 09:30.31 | Bounty | Whoever is the developers behind disgaea has my full support personally |
| 09:30.34 | Bounty | I forget then ame |
| 09:30.38 | Bounty | nimichi ichi? |
| 09:30.41 | Bounty | or something lol |
| 09:30.55 | XenoX | not sure |
| 09:31.06 | Bounty | They make some good games |
| 09:31.14 | XenoX | that is a good point though, gamers arent entitled to return bad games |
| 09:31.31 | XenoX | thats something I've thought about myself, if you buy any other shit product you can complain to an ombudsman or something |
| 09:31.32 | Bounty | I actually picked up Magna Carta 2 when i picked up Black Ops, incase it ended up being what i thought it was |
| 09:31.36 | two13 | used to be able to, everyone abused the system |
| 09:31.45 | XenoX | there's no quality control with gaming |
| 09:31.54 | Bounty | Actually |
| 09:31.58 | XenoX | no law against bad games suckering in fanboys |
| 09:32.01 | Bounty | Its only with PC games |
| 09:32.04 | Bounty | that u cant return |
| 09:32.09 | Bounty | only PC games bc of DRM |
| 09:32.14 | XenoX | mm |
| 09:32.16 | Bounty | when i got black ops |
| 09:32.22 | Bounty | i got it for Ps3, booted it up and went online |
| 09:32.29 | Bounty | i pissed myself laughing |
| 09:32.32 | Bounty | at how bad it was |
| 09:32.41 | Bounty | returned it and swapped it out for 360 |
| 09:32.47 | Bounty | u cant do that with a PC game lol |
| 09:32.58 | Bounty | once u buy it they have to assume u installed it |
| 09:33.13 | Bounty | btw that shit pisses me off |
| 09:33.19 | XenoX | yeah see there are legal concerns there |
| 09:33.22 | XenoX | ethical concerns |
| 09:33.25 | Bounty | how the hell does the ps3 black ops get shitted on lol |
| 09:33.27 | Currydevil | Well, you can't at my store. |
| 09:33.38 | Bounty | I bought the game used |
| 09:33.40 | Bounty | which is funny bc it just came out |
| 09:33.47 | Bounty | that should have been a heads up to me |
| 09:33.49 | XenoX | how can a company lawfully publish a game they know is of poor quality |
| 09:33.54 | XenoX | and not inform the customer of the thought |
| 09:33.56 | Currydevil | ANY opened pc,dvd,console game anything ... can't be returned except for the same thing. |
| 09:33.57 | Currydevil | lol |
| 09:34.01 | XenoX | they can't expect customers to read reviews |
| 09:34.03 | Currydevil | now, you can trade it in. |
| 09:34.07 | Bounty | Infinity Ward and Treyarch do it every year XenoX |
| 09:34.17 | Currydevil | but that's not returning ;) |
| 09:34.26 | Bounty | Curry |
| 09:34.30 | Bounty | If you buy a used game at gamestop |
| 09:34.35 | Bounty | u can return it for full refund |
| 09:34.36 | Currydevil | that's different. |
| 09:34.38 | XenoX | Currydevil thats the issue here |
| 09:34.40 | Currydevil | it's already been opened. |
| 09:34.43 | XenoX | yeah |
| 09:34.49 | Currydevil | i never said it was Xenox lol |
| 09:34.51 | Bounty | They dont buy it unopened |
| 09:34.51 | Bounty | lol |
| 09:34.52 | XenoX | see I question the lawfulness of that |
| 09:34.53 | Bounty | then* |
| 09:34.55 | Currydevil | i was just harassing bounty |
| 09:34.58 | XenoX | yeah |
| 09:35.00 | XenoX | lol |
| 09:35.03 | Bounty | but now seriously |
| 09:35.05 | Bounty | ok |
| 09:35.06 | Bounty | think about this |
| 09:35.09 | Bounty | i know this isnt about starcraft |
| 09:35.20 | Bounty | but i cant fucking grasp how the entire world falls for this every year lol |
| 09:35.26 | Bounty | Call of Duty |
| 09:35.30 | Currydevil | Because it's federal law, that stores (other than Gamestop/EB/Trading stores) not return opened merhcandise like that |
| 09:35.34 | Bounty | If you had 4 Televisions |
| 09:35.42 | Bounty | Each displaying a differant call of duty |
| 09:35.49 | Bounty | aka CoD 4 through Black Ops |
| 09:35.54 | Bounty | Could you tell which was which? |
| 09:36.02 | Bounty | no |
| 09:36.04 | XenoX | well admittedly, SC2's formula is strikingly similar to SC1 |
| 09:36.08 | Currydevil | the color fo the leaves! ........ |
| 09:36.12 | Currydevil | Yes, BUT |
| 09:36.21 | Currydevil | SC hasen't been repeated each year |
| 09:36.23 | XenoX | its just the graphics and minor mechanics that differ |
| 09:36.25 | Currydevil | and SC was a great |
| 09:36.29 | XenoX | thats cause blizzard is slow |
| 09:36.32 | Currydevil | lol |
| 09:36.36 | XenoX | 'it's about time' tychus says |
| 09:36.37 | Currydevil | Well, I will agree there. |
| 09:36.52 | Currydevil | I did wait 3 years with this game in reserve just to get it. |
| 09:36.55 | Bounty | You know if someone ever finds Blizzard HQ |
| 09:36.58 | Bounty | its Pitchfork time |
| 09:36.59 | Currydevil | reserved SC2 in 2007 |
| 09:37.01 | Bounty | Torches |
| 09:37.09 | XenoX | lol |
| 09:37.15 | Bounty | Im serious |
| 09:37.17 | Bounty | lol |
| 09:37.18 | XenoX | and the thing is, people are happy with the new call of duties |
| 09:37.19 | XenoX | so its not the biggest issue |
| 09:37.26 | Currydevil | Let's make soem glaive throwers and beat em with their own weapons |
| 09:37.26 | Bounty | nah man |
| 09:37.28 | Bounty | i can |
| 09:37.29 | XenoX | the big issues is when people aren't happy |
| 09:37.30 | Bounty | cant* |
| 09:37.31 | Bounty | like |
| 09:37.36 | Bounty | im trying to type a response |
| 09:37.38 | Bounty | and i cant |
| 09:37.41 | Bounty | it pisses me off so much |
| 09:37.44 | XenoX | lol |
| 09:37.45 | Currydevil | lol |
| 09:37.45 | Bounty | that people are that fucking stupid |
| 09:37.54 | XenoX | well perhaps |
| 09:37.56 | Bounty | i would give my life |
| 09:37.58 | XenoX | you just arent that |
| 09:37.58 | Jum-Jum | What I thought was funny was how they removed a basic feature like dedicated servers and then hade it like a huge feature in the next game |
| 09:37.59 | Bounty | i seriously would |
| 09:38.01 | XenoX | involved with the mechanics |
| 09:38.02 | Bounty | give my life |
| 09:38.05 | Bounty | if everyone in the world |
| 09:38.12 | Bounty | did not buy any of the starcraft expansions |
| 09:38.15 | Bounty | or next years call of duty |
| 09:38.20 | Bounty | i would sacrifice myself |
| 09:38.21 | Bounty | lol |
| 09:38.23 | XenoX | lol |
| 09:38.34 | XenoX | the SC2 expos will be interesting especially because |
| 09:38.38 | Bounty | Do you have any idea how great that would be? |
| 09:38.41 | XenoX | I dont think people will be satisfied with a pure singleplayer expo |
| 09:38.42 | Bounty | For the industry |
| 09:38.45 | Bounty | If they saw that |
| 09:38.50 | XenoX | so they have to add more to the SC2 universe |
| 09:38.51 | Bounty | they would wake the hell up |
| 09:38.59 | XenoX | perhaps |
| 09:39.06 | Bounty | "oh shit we cant keep giving every franchise we make the Tony Hawk treatment" |
| 09:39.07 | XenoX | but why ask people to act against their interests? |
| 09:39.29 | Bounty | Because its not against their interests |
| 09:39.33 | XenoX | well it is |
| 09:39.37 | Bounty | It would lead to better products |
| 09:39.41 | Bounty | Which is in their interests |
| 09:39.51 | XenoX | but they want to play SC2 expo |
| 09:39.59 | XenoX | so even if it might help them in the long run |
| 09:40.04 | XenoX | it is specifically against their interest |
| 09:40.18 | Bounty | Well then imo |
| 09:40.24 | Bounty | I hope 2012 happens lol |
| 09:40.27 | XenoX | lol |
| 09:40.29 | Bounty | its gg already |
| 09:40.49 | XenoX | SC2 isn't that bad, they could have done much worse |
| 09:40.52 | Bounty | which sucks for me because i have a kid coming next month |
| 09:40.54 | XenoX | much much much worse |
| 09:40.54 | *** join/#sc2mapster Pierrot (Pierrot@ARennes-256-1-124-21.w90-32.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 09:40.56 | Bounty | so i cant even say to him |
| 09:40.58 | Pierrot | Hi guys |
| 09:40.59 | Bounty | GL HF son! |
| 09:41.03 | Bounty | bc its already gg |
| 09:41.04 | Bounty | lol |
| 09:41.06 | XenoX | the problems of SC2 are all by the way things |
| 09:41.11 | Pierrot | Is it possible to make a 3d skybox ? |
| 09:41.15 | XenoX | none of them are gameplay based |
| 09:41.30 | Pierrot | or to apply a texture to a model which is a camera view ? |
| 09:41.34 | Bounty | Yeah but you have to think about it XenoX |
| 09:41.38 | Bounty | how could you nail the gameplay |
| 09:41.39 | XenoX | they're all things like LAN, custom maps, etc |
| 09:41.44 | Bounty | but fuck up the simplest part |
| 09:41.47 | Bounty | that keep in mind |
| 09:41.49 | Bounty | was perfectly fine |
| 09:41.52 | Bounty | before they fucked with it |
| 09:41.53 | Bounty | lol |
| 09:42.09 | XenoX | because they needed to develop |
| 09:42.15 | XenoX | they would have equally fucked up in their eyes |
| 09:42.18 | XenoX | if they didnt change |
| 09:42.24 | XenoX | that would be a stagnation, not a development |
| 09:42.26 | Bounty | bullshit |
| 09:42.32 | Bounty | have u seen the custom map forums? |
| 09:42.38 | XenoX | yeah I know |
| 09:42.39 | Bounty | Whoever is supposed to moderate those forums |
| 09:42.44 | Bounty | should have their skull fucked |
| 09:42.48 | Bounty | its an embaressment |
| 09:42.51 | XenoX | but I'm saying, their job was to improve on SC1 |
| 09:42.56 | XenoX | if they didnt try to improve |
| 09:42.56 | Bounty | not one thing has been said for 3 months lol |
| 09:42.59 | XenoX | they would have failed anyway |
| 09:43.08 | XenoX | maybe not in customers eyes |
| 09:43.08 | Bounty | nah |
| 09:43.10 | Bounty | like i said |
| 09:43.11 | XenoX | but jobwise |
| 09:43.13 | *** join/#sc2mapster Rodrigo (464f4549@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.79.69.73) |
| 09:43.19 | Bounty | im only talking about the bnet side of it |
| 09:43.23 | Bounty | if thye made sc2 as it is |
| 09:43.29 | Bounty | but literaly kept everythign about the old bnet |
| 09:43.35 | Bounty | it would have been better accepted |
| 09:43.41 | XenoX | yeah I dont disagree |
| 09:43.51 | XenoX | but from a designer point of view |
| 09:43.55 | XenoX | that is not a success |
| 09:43.58 | XenoX | to use the same system |
| 09:44.11 | XenoX | if you can understand that |
| 09:44.18 | XenoX | you talk about call of duty |
| 09:44.19 | Bounty | i can but heres the problem |
| 09:44.23 | XenoX | being a failure because it doesnt innovate |
| 09:44.30 | Bounty | Thats an entire game |
| 09:44.33 | XenoX | well thats exactly how b.net feel |
| 09:44.35 | Bounty | not a basic feature such as a chat room |
| 09:44.36 | XenoX | err blizzard feel |
| 09:44.38 | XenoX | about b.net |
| 09:44.38 | Bounty | that was stripped |
| 09:44.40 | XenoX | I know |
| 09:44.42 | Bounty | lol |
| 09:44.45 | XenoX | but like |
| 09:44.56 | XenoX | innovation was necessary to them |
| 09:45.01 | XenoX | to avoid the CoD issue |
| 09:45.04 | Bounty | Ok but how about this |
| 09:45.09 | Bounty | Try to go through this logic with me |
| 09:45.13 | XenoX | I'm not saying it was good |
| 09:45.14 | Bounty | Remove Chat rooms |
| 09:45.16 | XenoX | I never said that |
| 09:45.19 | Bounty | lol |
| 09:45.19 | XenoX | I'm just saying |
| 09:45.22 | Bounty | i know im not saying u did |
| 09:45.27 | Bounty | im just trying to get your input on this |
| 09:45.32 | Bounty | because for the life of me |
| 09:45.35 | XenoX | lol |
| 09:45.37 | Bounty | this is yet another thing ive thougt about |
| 09:45.42 | Bounty | i cant figure it out |
| 09:45.54 | Bounty | why? |
| 09:45.54 | Bounty | Seriously |
| 09:45.54 | XenoX | well apparently its to do with the xbox live designer |
| 09:45.54 | Bounty | like |
| 09:45.54 | XenoX | who played a part in sc2's developmendt |
| 09:45.54 | Bounty | the best way i can describe this |
| 09:45.58 | XenoX | and xbox live didnt have chat |
| 09:46.00 | Bounty | is this.. |
| 09:46.05 | XenoX | rooms |
| 09:46.21 | Bounty | Think about how massive the universe is and how it never ends, and if it does... then whats at the end? or after the end? |
| 09:46.24 | Bounty | Think about that |
| 09:46.26 | Bounty | Then |
| 09:46.27 | XenoX | lol |
| 09:46.32 | Bounty | Think about Why they would need to remove chat rooms |
| 09:46.39 | Bounty | And you will notice you get the same overwhelming brain pain |
| 09:46.40 | XenoX | err |
| 09:46.43 | Bounty | lol |
| 09:46.45 | XenoX | haha |
| 09:46.50 | XenoX | thats an.. interesting analogy |
| 09:46.57 | Bounty | It works though doesnt it? lol |
| 09:47.02 | XenoX | kind of |
| 09:47.06 | Bounty | I could have taken the short cut and said |
| 09:47.08 | Bounty | Its mind boggling |
| 09:47.28 | XenoX | well if its an xbox live designer who intervened |
| 09:47.34 | XenoX | its a bit more logical because of how xbox live works |
| 09:47.36 | XenoX | without chat rooms |
| 09:47.49 | XenoX | but if not then I agree with you, it doesnt make a great deal of sense |
| 09:47.59 | XenoX | I'm off to have tea |
| 09:47.59 | XenoX | bbl |
| 09:48.01 | Bounty | Why would an Xbox Live designer be pitching ideas for bnet? |
| 09:48.04 | Bounty | lol |
| 09:51.39 | Currydevil | I dunno... |
| 09:51.48 | Currydevil | let's color some models shall we |
| 09:51.55 | Currydevil | Bah, nvm you used trigger editor. |
| 09:52.03 | Currydevil | and i'm just starting to get the hang of Data. |
| 09:52.09 | Bounty | lolol |
| 09:52.28 | Currydevil | You are useless to me now Bounty! how could you. |
| 09:53.18 | Bounty | i love you |
| 09:53.21 | Bounty | sugar |
| 09:53.35 | Bounty | but yes, i am quite useless |
| 09:53.42 | Bounty | in the data department |
| 09:54.09 | Currydevil | Hrm |
| 09:54.14 | Currydevil | somehow I will figure this out |
| 09:54.31 | Bounty | ROFL |
| 09:54.37 | Bounty | i just read an articale that states |
| 09:54.49 | Bounty | 1 in 106 Americans is a millionaire |
| 09:54.57 | Bounty | yeah ok |
| 09:55.46 | Currydevil | I wish. |
| 09:55.57 | XenoX | maybe in assets |
| 09:56.31 | Currydevil | Well, see Bounty you did that rainbow ww.. |
| 09:56.32 | XenoX | like house car everything |
| 09:56.37 | Currydevil | and now I want to color a model like that |
| 09:56.38 | Dekar- | its propaganda |
| 09:56.39 | Dekar- | lol |
| 09:56.44 | Currydevil | cycling quickly between a few colors. |
| 09:56.50 | Dekar- | "you have nothing to worry, we are super rich" |
| 09:57.10 | Dekar- | "you will be millionair in time too" |
| 09:57.21 | XenoX | 1 in 106 isn't anywhere near the majority though |
| 09:57.37 | Dekar- | i just imagine |
| 09:57.44 | Dekar- | 1) the cities like new york |
| 09:57.45 | Currydevil | I can get the color swapping, but i'm not sure how to set timers in actor events |
| 09:57.46 | Dekar- | lots of people |
| 09:57.55 | Dekar- | but no millionairs |
| 09:57.58 | Dekar- | and then |
| 09:58.01 | Currydevil | less than 1% |
| 09:58.09 | Dekar- | 2) backland |
| 09:58.10 | Currydevil | out of 2 billion people? |
| 09:58.13 | Currydevil | ish |
| 09:58.13 | Helral|Work | meows |
| 09:58.15 | Dekar- | with the rednecks |
| 09:58.19 | Dekar- | they are also poor |
| 09:58.25 | Dekar- | so i wonder |
| 09:58.26 | Currydevil | I am poor. |
| 09:58.29 | Dekar- | where do the rich people hide? |
| 09:58.29 | Currydevil | gimme money! |
| 09:58.35 | Currydevil | LA |
| 09:58.38 | Currydevil | where else? |
| 09:58.48 | Dekar- | but the concentration must be |
| 09:58.54 | Dekar- | 1:20 |
| 09:59.18 | Currydevil | well, some of the places (at least an entire neighborhood) are 20:1 |
| 09:59.50 | Currydevil | So helral.. |
| 09:59.55 | Currydevil | How do I make rainbow archon? |
| 10:00.05 | Dekar- | actor events! |
| 10:00.13 | Currydevil | Yes |
| 10:00.13 | Currydevil | I know this lol |
| 10:00.19 | Dekar- | then why do you ask? :P |
| 10:00.24 | Currydevil | but I dunno how to use timers in there and make one event recall the timer from another |
| 10:00.28 | Currydevil | ^ |
| 10:00.38 | Dekar- | i once played around with them |
| 10:00.41 | Dekar- | but i dont remember why |
| 10:00.42 | Dekar- | hmm |
| 10:00.50 | Currydevil | well that's what i'm doing now, just playing. |
| 10:00.54 | Currydevil | sheer curiosity |
| 10:02.54 | Helral|Work | I'd say create several effects that call one another, and just adjust the actor color depending on which effect has been created. |
| 10:03.08 | Helral|Work | and create a buff to start the first effect on unit creation orso. ;p |
| 10:03.24 | Helral|Work | but that's how I'd do it, no idea if it would work correctly. |
| 10:04.27 | Currydevil | well |
| 10:04.53 | Currydevil | it's not on any particular unit, rather the model that is created for the duration of his attack |
| 10:05.26 | Currydevil | and any idea why, when I click on maps ppl upload into their posts, that I get a link with gibberish ? |
| 10:05.28 | Helral|Work | ok, so you start on actor.birth with the creation of the first effect. |
| 10:05.29 | Currydevil | and nothing to dl |
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| 10:11.32 | Dogmai | so I just played a game of phantom against 2 guys |
| 10:11.43 | Dogmai | i have come to realise that the creators of phantom have added cheats |
| 10:11.59 | Dogmai | and this would be the second time its become public |
| 10:15.34 | Currydevil | Ohahaha, I got color changing. |
| 10:15.46 | Currydevil | it's going to take a few repetitive actor events |
| 10:15.49 | Currydevil | but I got it. |
| 10:18.43 | Currydevil | that's cool |
| 10:18.55 | Currydevil | nw if only i could set more than 2 colors in a blend. |
| 10:18.57 | Currydevil | now* |
| 10:23.28 | PointBlank | i don't see a buff for upping a weapon's bonus dmg to an attribute ... is there any way to do that? |
| 10:23.52 | Currydevil | hmm? |
| 10:24.03 | Currydevil | adding weapon damage per point of attribute? |
| 10:24.06 | PointBlank | i.e. make a marine do bonus dmg vs shields - via a trigger |
| 10:24.18 | Currydevil | hmm |
| 10:25.16 | Dekar- | maybe with a behaviour? |
| 10:25.28 | Dekar- | added my a trigger :p |
| 10:25.30 | Dekar- | *by |
| 10:25.45 | Currydevil | yes |
| 10:25.48 | Currydevil | but on the behavior |
| 10:25.49 | PointBlank | lol that's what i'm trying to do -> but remember i want it displayed on the weapon |
| 10:25.56 | Currydevil | there is no place to add extra dmg vs shields |
| 10:26.17 | PointBlank | or "massive" or anything |
| 10:26.22 | PointBlank | i don't see any way to |
| 10:26.23 | PointBlank | sigh |
| 10:26.23 | Currydevil | at least, I can't make heads or tails fo the combat for it anyways, i didn't see anything that would do that. |
| 10:26.47 | Currydevil | saw one spot, but that was target filters. |
| 10:26.51 | PointBlank | so it looks like i have to change the way i'm upping weapons :( |
| 10:27.22 | Currydevil | how does the buff function, is it temporary? |
| 10:27.30 | PointBlank | gonna have to switch to each mob only having 1 weapon so i can use the behaviour to add dmg without it modding both and being uneven (if they do different dmg) |
| 10:27.56 | PointBlank | and gonna have to switch to using % bonus instead of fixed for attributes so it scales with dmg |
| 10:27.58 | Currydevil | you COULD enable/disable multiple weapons, each with a preset extra dmg vs type on them |
| 10:28.11 | Currydevil | for the behavior.. |
| 10:28.16 | PointBlank | lol if u could see what i'm doing god no |
| 10:28.20 | Currydevil | =O |
| 10:28.38 | PointBlank | i'm modding every unit in the game via triggers & catalog |
| 10:28.44 | Currydevil | you could always do a check of the unit type in a trigger, and apply extra damage that way. |
| 10:28.54 | Currydevil | er unit flag |
| 10:29.01 | Currydevil | heroic/light/armored etc |
| 10:29.09 | PointBlank | but if i do that, it won't display on the unit weapon tho |
| 10:29.13 | PointBlank | like a normal bonus |
| 10:29.14 | Currydevil | right =( |
| 10:29.26 | Currydevil | I dunno then |
| 10:29.48 | PointBlank | *technically* i could make all weapons do 0 damage and custom do their tooltips to whatever dmg |
| 10:29.54 | PointBlank | and use triggers to deal all dmg |
| 10:29.58 | Currydevil | if blizz put more tooltips in the editor.. it would be easier to tell lol |
| 10:30.01 | PointBlank | but seriously who wants to work around like that lol |
| 10:30.45 | PointBlank | so disappointing tho, for the editor that can do everything i sure find a ton of things i can't do |
| 10:31.04 | Currydevil | Well, maybe not.. |
| 10:31.09 | PointBlank | ... and we're talking basic things that should be in -> i really hope they add in expos |
| 10:31.16 | Currydevil | the Damage Response - Target Filters might be it |
| 10:31.28 | Currydevil | if you can specify the target receiving the damage |
| 10:31.52 | Currydevil | so if you were just adding +5 damage to shields or something |
| 10:31.54 | PointBlank | damage response won't show up on the tooltip? |
| 10:32.03 | Currydevil | Well, i don't know yet =X |
| 10:32.09 | Currydevil | you'd have to try it out and see |
| 10:32.24 | Currydevil | let me look a little more |
| 10:33.25 | PointBlank | i don't see anything on that for types besides the target but nothing for finite values |
| 10:33.46 | Currydevil | well, let me try it out, and i'll tell you what I get. |
| 10:37.19 | PointBlank | :) |
| 10:42.10 | Currydevil | Hmm |
| 10:42.17 | Currydevil | you can always set upgrade levels via trigger. |
| 10:42.36 | Currydevil | and just increase/decrease when you need to |
| 10:42.57 | Currydevil | that way you can set each type of bonus damage. Because it's not working the way I thought it might. |
| 10:43.12 | Currydevil | Seems to only be concerned with the damage the unit with the buff is taking. |
| 10:44.01 | Pierrot | Is it possible to apply a texture to a model with a camera as the source ? |
| 10:44.11 | Pierrot | like the big screen in any football match |
| 10:45.13 | Dekar- | just make your own UI and trigger all the damage |
| 10:45.19 | Dekar- | xD |
| 10:47.25 | Currydevil | hah |
| 10:47.34 | Currydevil | man i'm in love with my marine charge, it looks so purty |
| 11:06.13 | Dekar- | make a video of it D: |
| 11:06.24 | Te3-BloodyIron | I have a question about the particular function "Point Offset Towards Point", can anyone answer such a question? |
| 11:06.30 | Dekar- | yes |
| 11:06.43 | Dekar- | i think i can guess what the function does :p |
| 11:06.49 | Te3-BloodyIron | i have some idea |
| 11:06.49 | Te3-BloodyIron | but |
| 11:06.51 | Te3-BloodyIron | i want to make sure |
| 11:06.51 | Te3-BloodyIron | so |
| 11:07.00 | Te3-BloodyIron | im trying to take the point of a unit, and the point of the issued command |
| 11:07.18 | Te3-BloodyIron | then take those and issue the command "to infinite distance from the unit" per se |
| 11:07.30 | Te3-BloodyIron | effectively causing the unit to appear to move continually |
| 11:07.35 | Te3-BloodyIron | i have most of the groundwork, i think |
| 11:07.46 | Dekar- | you use the wrong function then |
| 11:07.49 | Te3-BloodyIron | right now im trying to figure out how to issue the "point to infinity" to the issue move command |
| 11:07.55 | Dekar- | try point with polar offset |
| 11:08.07 | Dekar- | get the angle between unit and command target point |
| 11:08.10 | Dekar- | and use it with polar offset |
| 11:08.35 | Te3-BloodyIron | is the angle used in relation to the triggering unit |
| 11:08.35 | Te3-BloodyIron | ? |
| 11:08.43 | Te3-BloodyIron | in polar offset |
| 11:08.47 | Dekar- | look |
| 11:08.51 | Dekar- | if you keep the point |
| 11:08.57 | Dekar- | and the unit moves past it |
| 11:09.02 | Dekar- | the angle becomes different |
| 11:09.09 | Dekar- | +180° |
| 11:09.23 | Dekar- | so you only need to save the angle once the command is issued |
| 11:09.25 | Dekar- | and store it |
| 11:09.33 | Dekar- | and never look at the command target point again |
| 11:09.37 | Dekar- | if you want to keep it moving |
| 11:09.38 | Te3-BloodyIron | yeah i already have the angle between unit and command target point dumping into a variable |
| 11:09.48 | Te3-BloodyIron | okay |
| 11:09.53 | Te3-BloodyIron | thanks :) |
| 11:09.58 | Dekar- | native point PointWithOffsetPolar (point p, fixed distance, fixed angle); |
| 11:10.01 | Dekar- | and then use this |
| 11:10.03 | Te3-BloodyIron | gonna test to see if this is what I want, looks like it is |
| 11:10.30 | Te3-BloodyIron | so i have to define point p, but i can feed it the point of the triggering unit? |
| 11:10.35 | Dekar- | yes |
| 11:10.37 | Te3-BloodyIron | cool |
| 11:10.40 | Te3-BloodyIron | hugs Dekar- |
| 11:10.49 | Dekar- | well, i will take a periodic trigger |
| 11:10.51 | Te3-BloodyIron | you are my 4am hero |
| 11:10.57 | Dekar- | with small distance |
| 11:10.58 | Dekar- | :3 |
| 11:11.09 | Te3-BloodyIron | nah my trigger isn't periodic |
| 11:11.12 | Dekar- | that probably gives you the best result |
| 11:11.18 | Te3-BloodyIron | i make the trigger when particular commands are issued |
| 11:11.23 | Dekar- | well, then your old function should work too |
| 11:11.23 | Te3-BloodyIron | i have it broken down into two triggers |
| 11:11.28 | Te3-BloodyIron | one is when a move command is issued |
| 11:11.33 | Te3-BloodyIron | and the other is when a stop command is issued |
| 11:11.48 | Te3-BloodyIron | yeah |
| 11:11.52 | Te3-BloodyIron | i suspect it will |
| 11:12.02 | Te3-BloodyIron | thanks again :) gonna try this in a sec |
| 11:12.03 | Dekar- | im not sure how well it handles commands issued outside of the map |
| 11:12.05 | Dekar- | ok |
| 11:12.15 | Te3-BloodyIron | umm commands issued outside of the map? |
| 11:12.21 | Helral|Work | I'd use a behavior ;p just point it in the right direction and then apply a buff that issues a move command forward every period. |
| 11:12.31 | Dekar- | if you take "infinit distance" |
| 11:12.49 | Dekar- | but we dont like data editor in this part of the channel! |
| 11:12.50 | Te3-BloodyIron | Helral|Work: i think that would chew more cycles than i'm willing to deal with |
| 11:12.58 | Te3-BloodyIron | well i would just give it an absurd number |
| 11:12.59 | Te3-BloodyIron | lol |
| 11:13.03 | Te3-BloodyIron | like 50000 or something |
| 11:13.09 | Dekar- | yeah, just try it and see how it works |
| 11:13.21 | Te3-BloodyIron | i will in a sec, GSL is on! |
| 11:13.26 | Dekar- | oh right |
| 11:13.33 | Dekar- | I FORGOT ONCE AGAIN |
| 11:13.42 | Te3-BloodyIron | PvZ |
| 11:13.47 | Te3-BloodyIron | july is on |
| 11:13.47 | Te3-BloodyIron | so |
| 11:13.49 | Helral|Work | hmmm player clicks ability in front off cliff, unit suddenly walks totally the opposite direction because it wants to go up the cliff. |
| 11:13.51 | Te3-BloodyIron | probably good match |
| 11:14.03 | Te3-BloodyIron | Helral|Work: my map will unlikely have cliffs |
| 11:14.08 | Te3-BloodyIron | rather |
| 11:14.12 | Te3-BloodyIron | should not have cliffs |
| 11:14.17 | Te3-BloodyIron | but that is definately somewthing to ponder |
| 11:14.19 | Helral|Work | or obstacles ;p |
| 11:14.34 | Te3-BloodyIron | i don't plan to have obstacles, but i was thinking about it |
| 11:14.44 | Te3-BloodyIron | now you and your fucking monkey wrenches ruined my thoughts lol |
| 11:14.51 | Dekar- | yeah, thats why i wanted to go with periodic small distances |
| 11:14.54 | Helral|Work | meows |
| 11:15.03 | Helral|Work | just ask purl who I am ;p |
| 11:15.33 | Dekar- | ~helral |
| 11:15.33 | purl | helral is probably an evil random kitten |
| 11:15.38 | Helral|Work | ;p |
| 11:15.48 | Dekar- | does purl |
| 11:15.50 | Te3-BloodyIron | ~dekar- |
| 11:15.50 | Dekar- | uhm |
| 11:15.56 | Dekar- | create that on its own? |
| 11:16.06 | Helral|Work | he says it on it's own now. |
| 11:16.19 | Dekar- | but did it create the sentence on its own? |
| 11:16.33 | Dekar- | from channel chatter |
| 11:16.38 | Helral|Work | nope ;p |
| 11:16.40 | Dekar- | HOW INTELLIGENT IS PURL? |
| 11:16.52 | Helral|Work | not, it's a bot. |
| 11:17.20 | Dekar- | but in theory it could, with all the chats it logs, create such stuff on its own |
| 11:17.28 | Helral|Work | yup |
| 11:17.30 | Dekar- | someone should create such a bot |
| 11:17.34 | Dekar- | do it helral! |
| 11:17.43 | Helral|Work | neh ;p don't feel like it |
| 11:17.43 | Te3-BloodyIron | you gonna watch GSL Dekar-? |
| 11:17.46 | Dekar- | yes |
| 11:17.55 | Dekar- | i managed to start the stream |
| 11:18.01 | Helral|Work | Global Soccer League? ;p |
| 11:18.10 | Te3-BloodyIron | starcraft 2 comp out of korea |
| 11:18.15 | Te3-BloodyIron | gomtv.net |
| 11:18.16 | Helral|Work | lol |
| 11:18.22 | Helral|Work | can't watch, am at work. :( |
| 11:18.22 | Te3-BloodyIron | live right now |
| 11:18.25 | Te3-BloodyIron | :( |
| 11:27.15 | Te3-BloodyIron | Dekar-: it's almost working, but not properly handling the angle |
| 11:27.30 | Te3-BloodyIron | the angle calculated is near, but not accurate |
| 11:27.35 | Dekar- | hmm |
| 11:27.56 | Dekar- | probably because of fixed type |
| 11:28.07 | Dekar- | but you could also try |
| 11:28.15 | Dekar- | to take the x and y difference of the points |
| 11:28.20 | Dekar- | and then multiplay both by 1000 |
| 11:28.30 | Dekar- | and stuff |
| 11:28.35 | Te3-BloodyIron | the distance is not a problem, i think how im arriving at the angle isn't quite working |
| 11:28.35 | Te3-BloodyIron | but |
| 11:28.36 | Te3-BloodyIron | not sure |
| 11:28.44 | Dekar- | hmm |
| 11:28.55 | Te3-BloodyIron | because the move to infinity appears to work, and it is changing angle based on given angle |
| 11:28.59 | Te3-BloodyIron | just the angle appears to be calculated improperlyu |
| 11:29.22 | Te3-BloodyIron | i whispered you the way i calc the angle |
| 11:29.24 | Te3-BloodyIron | is that right? |
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| 11:49.22 | Te3-BloodyIron | lol stalkers |
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| 12:15.35 | Te3-BloodyIron | hey Dekar- you there stil? |
| 12:15.37 | Te3-BloodyIron | l |
| 12:15.40 | Dekar- | yes |
| 12:15.50 | Te3-BloodyIron | okay |
| 12:15.50 | Te3-BloodyIron | so |
| 12:16.02 | Te3-BloodyIron | i have a single unit per player entered into an array |
| 12:16.11 | Te3-BloodyIron | and i want to periodically issue commands to all of those units |
| 12:16.25 | Te3-BloodyIron | but i want to try and figure out a way to do it without doing "while" commands, per se |
| 12:16.30 | Te3-BloodyIron | any tips? |
| 12:16.34 | Dekar- | periodic event? |
| 12:16.38 | Te3-BloodyIron | yeah |
| 12:16.46 | Te3-BloodyIron | like reapplying the move thing i was talkin bout ealirer |
| 12:16.50 | Te3-BloodyIron | earlier |
| 12:16.51 | Dekar- | yeah |
| 12:17.00 | Dekar- | periodic event |
| 12:17.02 | Dekar- | and then |
| 12:17.08 | Te3-BloodyIron | yeah got the periodic event |
| 12:17.08 | Dekar- | for all players p |
| 12:17.21 | Dekar- | and p = index |
| 12:18.36 | Te3-BloodyIron | how do i set the array position to index using the GUI? (im challenging myself to do this all GUI and avoid scripting if i can |
| 12:20.29 | Dekar- | well what i owuld do |
| 12:20.38 | Dekar- | if you only have 1 unit per player saved |
| 12:20.45 | Dekar- | you take the player number as array index |
| 12:20.48 | Te3-BloodyIron | yeah only 1 per player saved |
| 12:20.59 | Te3-BloodyIron | yeah that's how it is |
| 12:21.01 | Te3-BloodyIron | the index is the player number |
| 12:21.03 | Dekar- | you can do it |
| 12:21.07 | Dekar- | if you have an event |
| 12:21.16 | Dekar- | int player = triggering player |
| 12:21.25 | Dekar- | or you want to loop through them |
| 12:21.28 | Dekar- | then you have |
| 12:21.29 | Te3-BloodyIron | but it's periodic though, it shouldn't be player triggered though? |
| 12:21.31 | Dekar- | int player |
| 12:21.32 | Dekar- | and |
| 12:21.33 | Te3-BloodyIron | just loop through them |
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| 12:21.39 | Dekar- | for each player player(variable) |
| 12:21.55 | Dekar- | yeah |
| 12:22.03 | Dekar- | for each player in your periodic |
| 12:22.05 | Te3-BloodyIron | for each player, is that an event or an action parent? |
| 12:22.10 | Dekar- | action |
| 12:22.21 | Te3-BloodyIron | lol okay gotta rewrite this hold on let me try that |
| 12:22.29 | Te3-BloodyIron | don't ruin the surprise, let me see if i can figure this out |
| 12:22.30 | Te3-BloodyIron | ;D |
| 12:22.38 | Dekar- | :p |
| 12:23.06 | Te3-BloodyIron | For Each Player In Group |
| 12:23.08 | Te3-BloodyIron | would that work? |
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| 12:23.11 | Te3-BloodyIron | because i didn't group them |
| 12:23.18 | Dekar- | yeah |
| 12:23.22 | Dekar- | just use all players group |
| 12:23.22 | Te3-BloodyIron | k |
| 12:23.25 | Te3-BloodyIron | kay |
| 12:23.44 | harl | hi |
| 12:23.52 | Dekar- | hi |
| 12:24.09 | Te3-BloodyIron | uhh it's asking for a var |
| 12:24.15 | Dekar- | yeah |
| 12:24.17 | Te3-BloodyIron | foreachplayeringroup(var, group) ? |
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| 12:24.21 | Te3-BloodyIron | i don't know what to put for var |
| 12:24.23 | Dekar- | that variable that will take on the player index |
| 12:24.31 | Dekar- | your array index |
| 12:24.40 | Dekar- | it loops through all players |
| 12:24.42 | Te3-BloodyIron | okay so i don't need to change that from default? |
| 12:24.45 | Te3-BloodyIron | or |
| 12:24.57 | Te3-BloodyIron | do i need to make a new local variable? |
| 12:24.57 | Dekar- | sets this varaible = player number |
| 12:24.57 | Dekar- | and then does the actions |
| 12:24.57 | Te3-BloodyIron | okay |
| 12:25.01 | Te3-BloodyIron | so i do need a new local variable? |
| 12:25.10 | Dekar- | well, one local variable |
| 12:25.19 | Te3-BloodyIron | yeah |
| 12:25.24 | Te3-BloodyIron | just to store the variable temporarily |
| 12:25.28 | Te3-BloodyIron | er value |
| 12:25.30 | Te3-BloodyIron | k |
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| 13:05.34 | Phaos | you can show and hide the UI but how do you make the UI do that flashy way of building it's self? |
| 13:06.49 | A1win | there's a screen mode action |
| 13:07.09 | A1win | or something with "screen" in its name ;p |
| 13:07.15 | A1win | "set screen mode" or something like that |
| 13:07.16 | Phaos | xd |
| 13:07.24 | A1win | I can look it up if you don't find it :P |
| 13:07.40 | A1win | it sets it to normal/letterbox/fullscreen |
| 13:08.00 | A1win | and does the animation with the UI models |
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| 13:08.39 | A1win | or maybe it was the cinematic mode? |
| 13:08.40 | A1win | :S |
| 13:08.58 | A1win | one of those anyway :P |
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| 13:09.58 | Phaos | wellll |
| 13:10.03 | Phaos | interestingly |
| 13:10.11 | Phaos | that kinda worked |
| 13:10.20 | Phaos | setting it to "fullscreen" made it fold away |
| 13:10.34 | Phaos | but setting it to normal afterwards didn't animate it in |
| 13:10.46 | Phaos | it just appeared |
| 13:10.51 | A1win | mmh... weird |
| 13:10.58 | A1win | can you specify a time for the action? |
| 13:11.27 | A1win | it could be the cinematic mode that they used in the campaign |
| 13:12.54 | Phaos | I hate how default cameras position is in the bottom left of the map |
| 13:13.20 | Te3-BloodyIron | no kidding |
| 13:13.36 | A1win | hehe |
| 13:14.03 | Phaos | getting the camera to go from some fancy shot to game camera means it zooms off into the bottom left and back |
| 13:14.28 | Te3-BloodyIron | lol |
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| 13:15.26 | Kueken | hi |
| 13:15.29 | Dekar- | hi |
| 13:16.38 | Phaos | haha cinematic mode was perfect |
| 13:16.43 | Phaos | apart from a coupel things |
| 13:16.51 | Phaos | it hides the mouse |
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| 13:17.00 | Phaos | and it puts it in letter box |
| 13:17.48 | A1win | mmh :I |
| 13:18.33 | Dekar- | stupid g2play |
| 13:18.37 | Phaos | screen mode did it |
| 13:19.06 | Phaos | just removed the hide UI actions and presto it behaved |
| 13:20.26 | Phaos | lawdy, it's so sexy |
| 13:20.35 | A1win | I need a couple more spells for kerrigan and then I can start thinking of UI and level up system o: |
| 13:20.44 | Phaos | haha |
| 13:20.53 | Phaos | I just work on the parts I feel like |
| 13:21.03 | A1win | ;3 |
| 13:21.04 | Phaos | right now it's introduction and character selection |
| 13:21.13 | A1win | I want to get the core gameplay smoothed out first ^^ |
| 13:21.26 | Phaos | that was my plan at first too |
| 13:21.30 | Phaos | then I was like |
| 13:21.32 | Phaos | MEH |
| 13:21.33 | A1win | :P |
| 13:21.34 | Dekar- | MEH |
| 13:21.38 | Dekar- | ~meh |
| 13:21.38 | purl | meh int. /meh/ [The Simpsons] An interjection expressing apathy, or mgeary's favorite phrase |
| 13:21.52 | Phaos | xD |
| 13:22.05 | A1win | I'm not yet sure what I'll need for the UI and the level up system before I have all the abilities done |
| 13:22.28 | Phaos | your level up system isn't going to be normal XP ? |
| 13:22.53 | A1win | it will, but I mean the stuff you get to do when you get a level |
| 13:23.23 | Phaos | ah right. your going to allow custom points allocation into things like stats and skills ? |
| 13:23.30 | A1win | I need some kind of a life leeching ability so you can regain life during combat... |
| 13:23.38 | A1win | but something that isn't too imbalanced |
| 13:23.45 | Phaos | IMBA |
| 13:23.50 | A1win | probably just for skills |
| 13:23.52 | Phaos | IMBA + percentage based leeching |
| 13:24.00 | Phaos | IMBA = * |
| 13:24.25 | Phaos | percentages can be abused like crazy |
| 13:24.32 | A1win | skills or "talents", there's some interesting stuff I can make you get improvement in |
| 13:24.51 | A1win | she uses rage to cast her abilities (similar to warrior rage from wow) |
| 13:25.03 | A1win | but she gets movement and attack speed based on how much rage she has :P |
| 13:25.31 | A1win | so I can make one of the improvable abilities passive, increasing the amount of haste you get from rage |
| 13:26.14 | Phaos | she builds rage from damage taken ? |
| 13:26.21 | A1win | yeah.. and damage done by her normal attack |
| 13:26.35 | A1win | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIDkQNOf8VQ |
| 13:26.47 | Phaos | you know what I miss? Min - Max damage values |
| 13:27.00 | Te3-BloodyIron | Dekar-: i figured the trigger out :D |
| 13:27.21 | Dekar- | yey |
| 13:28.20 | Te3-BloodyIron | thanks again for your help ;) |
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| 13:28.39 | Phaos | arg Blizzard release the new patch already so I can have my damn mouse tracking! |
| 13:28.58 | Te3-BloodyIron | where does one find upcoming patch notes? |
| 13:29.03 | Te3-BloodyIron | is it on mapster? |
| 13:29.10 | Phaos | don't think they are out yet |
| 13:29.18 | Te3-BloodyIron | so how do you know that's coming then? |
| 13:29.25 | Phaos | we only know whats coming because of blizz con |
| 13:29.34 | Te3-BloodyIron | ahh |
| 13:29.36 | Te3-BloodyIron | i didnt watch this year |
| 13:29.37 | Phaos | and some major stuff they outlined in the panels |
| 13:29.46 | Te3-BloodyIron | didn't seem like enough going on to make it worth my time |
| 13:29.49 | Te3-BloodyIron | oh shit |
| 13:29.49 | Phaos | I just watched re runs on yoututbe :P |
| 13:29.53 | Te3-BloodyIron | like what phaos? |
| 13:30.07 | Phaos | well mouse tracking is one of them :P |
| 13:30.18 | Phaos | oh uh |
| 13:30.24 | Phaos | lagless WSAD |
| 13:30.35 | Kueken | aka |
| 13:30.38 | Kueken | fiction |
| 13:30.41 | Phaos | those are the two I wanted the most hense why I remembered em |
| 13:30.56 | Phaos | fiction? |
| 13:31.11 | Kueken | well, I am sure they will call it lagless ;) |
| 13:31.20 | Phaos | haha yeh |
| 13:31.34 | Phaos | well what ever it is, it won't be the abomination it is now |
| 13:31.52 | Phaos | the key input registers are SO SLOW |
| 13:32.02 | Phaos | unless of course it's hard coded |
| 13:32.04 | Te3-BloodyIron | after starcraft: ghost they have so much FPS experience to draw on ;) |
| 13:32.13 | A1win | they'd need client side triggers/move orders to make it seem truly lagless |
| 13:32.24 | Kueken | did sc ghost ever come out? o_0 |
| 13:32.27 | Te3-BloodyIron | no |
| 13:32.28 | Te3-BloodyIron | lol |
| 13:32.29 | Phaos | which is probably what they are going to end up doing |
| 13:32.39 | Kueken | so thats their experience |
| 13:32.42 | Phaos | SC ghost is vapourware |
| 13:32.46 | Kueken | "damn doesnt work" |
| 13:32.48 | Phaos | like Lord of the CLans |
| 13:32.50 | Te3-BloodyIron | where are most triggers currently calculated? |
| 13:32.51 | Kueken | "ah screw it" |
| 13:32.58 | Kueken | "cancel the project" |
| 13:33.00 | A1win | you know, they did make world of warcraft that uses wasd movement ;p |
| 13:33.01 | Te3-BloodyIron | is the host a server? |
| 13:33.21 | Te3-BloodyIron | A1win: that game is so laggy ;D |
| 13:33.32 | A1win | well it's an mmorpg :P |
| 13:33.36 | Phaos | triggers are calculated client side. the results are reported to the server and propogated to the players. thats why there is like NO excuse for how bad it is currently |
| 13:33.39 | Te3-BloodyIron | nah i dont mean it |
| 13:33.45 | Te3-BloodyIron | it's pretty good for a mmo for lag |
| 13:33.59 | Te3-BloodyIron | is the server bnet or the host? |
| 13:34.05 | Phaos | Bnet |
| 13:34.06 | Kueken | bnet |
| 13:34.08 | Te3-BloodyIron | k |
| 13:34.18 | Phaos | so again, no excuse xD |
| 13:34.31 | Kueken | i got one |
| 13:34.34 | Kueken | they suck |
| 13:34.48 | Phaos | and we know propogation from the server is fine because of some of the crazy hectic triggers people make that run fine |
| 13:34.51 | Te3-BloodyIron | so LAN never will work unless they change trigger topography? |
| 13:34.57 | Phaos | it's only key input triggers >: | |
| 13:35.06 | Phaos | well no |
| 13:35.10 | Phaos | LAN would work |
| 13:35.37 | Phaos | it's just results would be directly passed to the other players instead of to a server for propogation |
| 13:35.39 | Phaos | infact |
| 13:35.44 | Phaos | the way War3 did it was |
| 13:35.45 | Kueken | you would need some dedicated server which simulates bnet conditions |
| 13:35.53 | Kueken | i guess |
| 13:35.58 | Phaos | it took the host compy as the server, and the host compy would propogate results |
| 13:36.35 | Phaos | hense why it was always best to have the host at a lan be the Beefiest computer available |
| 13:37.56 | Te3-BloodyIron | i think that's how map hacking could work |
| 13:38.04 | Te3-BloodyIron | although, there is map hacking for sc2? |
| 13:38.24 | Phaos | there was some yes |
| 13:38.39 | Phaos | hense the massive account bans done a couple months back |
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| 13:38.49 | Phaos | people cheating in ranked matches |
| 13:38.57 | Obaztrara | sup |
| 13:39.04 | Phaos | soup |
| 13:39.50 | Phaos | imagine though, they they would have to find the memory adresses for your damn triggers and thats totally different from one custom map to another |
| 13:39.58 | Phaos | not work map hacking for custom maps |
| 13:40.15 | Phaos | not worth* |
| 13:42.26 | A1win | mmh how about "enraged regeneration" for kerrigan during which she regenerates health but doesn't get the haste bonuses from the rage she has... or just doesn't get any rage at all during it |
| 13:43.26 | Phaos | enraged regeneration is suc ha dumb name xD if you think about it logically :P |
| 13:43.30 | A1win | hehe |
| 13:43.43 | A1win | yea just referred to the wow ability :P |
| 13:43.52 | Phaos | I AM SO ANGRY THAT MY WOUNDS ARE CLOSING UP FFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUU |
| 13:44.02 | Phaos | yeah I know ^^ |
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| 13:44.28 | A1win | getting no rage would suck though, all you'd be able to do would be to use the normal attack which wouldn't even generate rage like normally... |
| 13:44.49 | A1win | so maybe just not getting the haste effect, so you can still use special attacks |
| 13:45.03 | Phaos | wel lhow about this |
| 13:45.10 | Phaos | say wnraged regen uses ... 50 rage |
| 13:45.14 | Phaos | and they have 100 |
| 13:45.19 | Phaos | even if they are not getting rage |
| 13:45.20 | Arthas- | any native english speaker here? |
| 13:45.24 | Phaos | they still have 50 to work with |
| 13:45.26 | Arthas- | Ie english grammar nazi style |
| 13:45.32 | A1win | mmh |
| 13:46.07 | Dekar- | im a german nazi only, sorry |
| 13:46.08 | Phaos | Pfft I am native. It's just 2:45 and I am tiiired and kinda just flailing my hands at the keyboard |
| 13:46.12 | Arthas- | Dekar- thats ok |
| 13:46.14 | A1win | most native english speakers I know know less about grammar than non-natives :P |
| 13:46.14 | Obaztrara | lol dekar... |
| 13:46.15 | Arthas- | the world needs you too |
| 13:46.29 | Dekar- | :) |
| 13:46.37 | Phaos | and yeh A1wins right |
| 13:46.44 | Phaos | we don't have formal training :P |
| 13:46.55 | Dekar- | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:46.58 | Dekar- | i |
| 13:46.58 | Arthas- | A1win thats why i asked for a grammar nazi :p |
| 13:47.03 | A1win | hehe |
| 13:47.08 | Obaztrara | and all you found was real nazi :P |
| 13:47.17 | A1win | tough luck |
| 13:47.26 | Dekar- | its a tragic story |
| 13:47.33 | Phaos | hell I know more Russian grammer than I do English by now xD |
| 13:47.38 | Arthas- | ~seen sixen |
| 13:47.48 | purl | sixen <~Sixen@173-25-23-86.client.mchsi.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowhead, 12h 16m 42s ago, saying: 'ohai frejya'. |
| 13:47.48 | Arthas- | ~seen dustin |
| 13:47.48 | purl | dustin <Dustin@ip72-209-158-12.ks.ks.cox.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 6d 14h 12m 21s ago, saying: 'Add in jump and strafeing'. |
| 13:48.20 | Phaos | enlightening |
| 13:48.22 | Arthas- | All finishing lines should say "Beam me up!" |
| 13:48.35 | Arthas- | instead of bye etc |
| 13:49.01 | Phaos | one of those was agreeting and the other was mid conversation |
| 13:49.05 | Phaos | how is that a bye :P |
| 13:49.23 | A1win | anyway I know more about english grammar than it might seem from my usenet language :P |
| 13:49.34 | A1win | I don't think long enough when writing on IRC^ |
| 13:49.36 | A1win | ^^ |
| 13:49.50 | Arthas- | Phaos well |
| 13:49.55 | Dekar- | ~seen helral |
| 13:49.56 | purl | helral <Helral@84-245-39-229.dsl.cambrium.nl> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 14h 16m 48s ago, saying: 'night all'. |
| 13:50.03 | Arthas- | Sixen is known for being quiet (after midbeta) |
| 13:50.10 | Arthas- | talked a shitload earlier |
| 13:50.19 | Arthas- | dustin, well honestly I think he died or something |
| 13:50.28 | Arthas- | prolly got a knife in the throat as he wrote that |
| 13:50.40 | Arthas- | PROVE ME WRONG |
| 13:50.44 | Phaos | xD |
| 13:50.56 | Phaos | I know I went away from Mapster for quite a long time |
| 13:51.25 | Phaos | I left around the time of episode 4 of mapcraft |
| 13:51.37 | Phaos | when ever that was |
| 13:52.04 | A1win | how about turning an enemy into a cocoon which attaches to kerrigan with a neural parasite tentacle and transfers life to her =p |
| 13:52.13 | A1win | or would that look too stupid ^^ |
| 13:52.22 | Phaos | that would look. bizzare |
| 13:52.31 | Phaos | make sense if it was an infestor or something |
| 13:52.35 | A1win | hehe |
| 13:52.35 | Phaos | but kerrigan xD ? |
| 13:52.47 | A1win | but it comes from the cocoon, not from kerrigan ;P |
| 13:52.51 | Arthas- | dont forget to add infestor tentacles to her |
| 13:52.56 | Arthas- | that siphons the energy from the eggs |
| 13:52.58 | Dekar- | yes, moar tentacles |
| 13:53.01 | Arthas- | also swap eggs to small children |
| 13:53.02 | A1win | hehe |
| 13:53.10 | Phaos | what about an ability that does low damage. but if you kill the enemy with it, they give an amount of health |
| 13:53.22 | Arthas- | We need to know if that results in a ban ;) |
| 13:53.50 | A1win | Phaos, then you'd have to know how much hp the enemy has before using it :x |
| 13:54.10 | Phaos | ttruth |
| 13:54.45 | A1win | they changed Victory Rush in wow so that it gives you health when you hit with it, and gave prot a talent that allows you to use it when the enemy is below 20% hp or something like that |
| 13:54.59 | A1win | or actually just a chance to use it after shield slam but anyway |
| 13:55.01 | A1win | :P |
| 13:55.13 | Phaos | you could tint units that are below a certain health threshold |
| 13:55.21 | Phaos | signaling healthy goodness |
| 13:55.47 | Phaos | like say. at 10% |
| 13:55.51 | Dekar- | no |
| 13:55.55 | Dekar- | add blood effects |
| 13:55.59 | A1win | they die in 2 hits so they're dead when they're below 10% :P |
| 13:55.59 | Dekar- | more and more |
| 13:56.00 | Phaos | truth |
| 13:56.26 | Phaos | you are going to have stronger units other than non attacking scientists tho right A1win? |
| 13:56.42 | Phaos | that won't die in two hits |
| 13:57.07 | A1win | there are marines and marauders in that vid too ;x |
| 13:57.13 | A1win | but they also die in a couple of hits <.< |
| 13:57.25 | A1win | maybe I should change that though |
| 13:58.14 | Phaos | her normal attack makes me think there should be fewer units and what remains needs a health buff |
| 13:58.16 | A1win | maybe a buff that gives your attacks a life leech effect during it? |
| 13:58.18 | Phaos | otherwise tedium |
| 13:58.39 | A1win | mmmh |
| 13:59.03 | A1win | well, just less damage from her attacks |
| 13:59.20 | Phaos | double tap seems liek , not enough, but too few.. but thats just me |
| 13:59.58 | Phaos | sorry. not enough but too much |
| 14:00.05 | Phaos | it's a confused amount of hits xD |
| 14:00.09 | A1win | hehe |
| 14:00.26 | Phaos | like 1 hit is awesome for when your swamped in units |
| 14:00.37 | Phaos | makes you feel epic wading through them xD |
| 14:01.06 | A1win | yea, earlier I had her get a damage buff at 100 rage and start to burn the enemies down in her anger :P that was cool |
| 14:01.12 | A1win | one hit and the enemy bursts in flames |
| 14:01.21 | Phaos | hahah epic |
| 14:01.28 | A1win | maybe nake her wings burn when she has that effect on :x |
| 14:01.31 | A1win | *make |
| 14:01.41 | A1win | could be some end-game "talent" or something |
| 14:01.58 | Phaos | yeh |
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| 14:02.36 | Phaos | you could just make it so enemies drop health orbs on a common dice roll. like 33% or so |
| 14:02.54 | Phaos | give it that arcadey feel |
| 14:02.55 | A1win | yesterday I made AI for "pet zerglings", when idle, they only attack enemies that get too close to her... but when holding attack (mouse1 or mouse2), the zerglings attack enemies the camera is facing |
| 14:03.31 | Phaos | that gave me an idea |
| 14:03.49 | Phaos | what about a carrion swarm ability. familiar with the crypt lord from war 3 ? |
| 14:03.58 | A1win | mmmh... |
| 14:04.18 | Phaos | swarm of locusts go out and bite things and bring back health |
| 14:04.29 | A1win | so that'd be like aoe life leech |
| 14:04.39 | Dekar- | what about a macross missile spam ability? :D |
| 14:04.48 | Phaos | neat :P |
| 14:04.48 | A1win | would still need a single target or no target ability to get health back |
| 14:05.28 | Phaos | hmm |
| 14:05.39 | Phaos | how about an evoke type ability |
| 14:05.58 | Phaos | you hold a button she converts rage > health |
| 14:06.07 | A1win | mmh o: |
| 14:06.10 | Phaos | stop holding she stops "{ |
| 14:06.23 | A1win | mm that could work |
| 14:06.37 | Phaos | it's still standing around. but it's EPIC standing around :P |
| 14:06.43 | Phaos | and much less |
| 14:06.56 | A1win | well why not allow using it while doing everything else? |
| 14:07.17 | Phaos | just cheapens it I think |
| 14:08.21 | Phaos | anyhoo |
| 14:08.31 | A1win | a couple of days ago I had a key you held that made her crouch, and it inreased her health regeneration to 250% and made her rage degenerate faster.. but that didn't feel so fun :P |
| 14:08.32 | Phaos | I have to scedaddle. I need sleep |
| 14:08.43 | A1win | even after I removed the rage degeneration nerf from it, it was still boring ;p |
| 14:08.53 | Phaos | rage needs to decrese why doing something like that |
| 14:09.01 | Phaos | spend rage for health at the end of the day |
| 14:09.28 | A1win | that's how it was at first |
| 14:09.29 | Phaos | I had in mind more like a health regen of 1000% |
| 14:09.46 | A1win | mmh... |
| 14:10.01 | Phaos | 1r:1h |
| 14:10.22 | Phaos | 250% is still kinda slow you see |
| 14:10.38 | A1win | I guess the problem is that she had health regeneration without using the ability :P |
| 14:10.52 | A1win | but umm.. what if she has like 1 health and 0 rage |
| 14:10.52 | Phaos | heh |
| 14:10.58 | A1win | where will she get more health then >.< |
| 14:11.01 | Phaos | then she gets NOTHING |
| 14:11.03 | A1win | :P |
| 14:11.11 | Phaos | because you may as well be dead |
| 14:11.22 | A1win | yeah but you're not.. so you feel being stuck |
| 14:11.51 | A1win | well I suppose I could give her a small passive health regen |
| 14:11.58 | A1win | so you can still recover from that, but slowly |
| 14:12.02 | Phaos | maybe at like 10% health she builds rage slowly |
| 14:12.21 | A1win | hmm :E |
| 14:12.29 | Phaos | so if you are THAT low, you can wait a bit and then use the heal power |
| 14:13.06 | Phaos | anyhoo |
| 14:13.07 | Phaos | sleep! |
| 14:13.11 | A1win | night ;p |
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| 14:19.22 | Helral|Work | meows |
| 14:22.35 | A1win | is it possible to make a "pie countdown" for a button to display its cooldown :E |
| 14:26.13 | A1win | how can I make a behavior that makes kerrigan use the "victory" animations instead of stand and walk, but still allow playing other animations for her? |
| 14:26.48 | A1win | the "kerrigan - walk" behavior does that but when I try playing "morph" or whatever on her, the animations just don't show |
| 14:30.15 | Helral|Work | A1win: try calling the actor animation stop before the morph. |
| 14:30.55 | A1win | will it resume the victory animations after it ends or do I need to apply it again? |
| 14:31.24 | Helral|Work | A1win: the stop actor message* stops all animations currently in progress, then you can run whichever animation is needed. and after that animation is done you need to restart the old one. |
| 14:31.34 | A1win | mmh |
| 14:32.01 | Helral|Work | I don't know how the priorities are set for the animations. |
| 14:32.16 | Helral|Work | I know that e.g. dance has a higher prio then walk, but lower then attack |
| 14:33.11 | A1win | if I send AnimBracketStart message while the victory animation group is applied, it just plays the opening of that bracket and when it'd start playing its content, it instead resumes playing the victory animation |
| 14:33.35 | Helral|Work | hmmm |
| 14:34.00 | Helral|Work | has too little knowledge bout actor messages :S |
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| 14:36.45 | A1win | hmm calling animation baseline stop before doing the "scripted event" and then starting it again afterwards seems to work |
| 14:37.24 | Dekar- | and ofc you can make a pie cooldown system |
| 14:37.28 | Dekar- | it just takes a lot of work |
| 14:37.33 | Dekar- | :P |
| 14:37.35 | A1win | ;p |
| 14:38.00 | Dekar- | but maybe you can lay a semitrapsparent black image over the button? |
| 14:38.21 | Dekar- | 100% cooldown0 black |
| 14:38.29 | Dekar- | just before finish = 25% visible |
| 14:38.37 | Dekar- | and then remove it |
| 14:38.56 | A1win | hmm |
| 14:39.10 | Dekar- | so you clearly see when its over |
| 14:39.13 | A1win | difficult to be sure when it's going to finish though |
| 14:39.19 | A1win | before it does |
| 14:39.22 | Dekar- | yeah |
| 14:39.33 | Dekar- | hmm i guess |
| 14:39.44 | Dekar- | with a black pie overlay |
| 14:39.49 | Dekar- | you can reuse it for all buttons |
| 14:40.23 | Dekar- | i personally |
| 14:40.28 | A1win | yeah... would it have to be like an animated texture though? |
| 14:40.30 | Dekar- | displayed a countdown |
| 14:40.32 | Dekar- | like in wow |
| 14:40.36 | Dekar- | on the button |
| 14:40.38 | A1win | mmm |
| 14:40.51 | Dekar- | thats super to do |
| 14:40.57 | Dekar- | and doesnt look bad |
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| 14:41.18 | A1win | mm I suppose it's better than pie anyway :x |
| 14:41.24 | Dekar- | the pie would need |
| 14:41.26 | Dekar- | i guess |
| 14:41.30 | Dekar- | 1 full black image |
| 14:41.34 | Dekar- | and then x pie parts |
| 14:41.52 | Dekar- | if you have 8 pieces, 8 images |
| 14:41.58 | Dekar- | which you then display |
| 14:42.28 | Dekar- | but it looks strange // creates more work if you have different skills with different cooldowns |
| 14:42.59 | A1win | can I make an actor event when the unit has 0 energy and when it has more than 0 energy? |
| 14:43.25 | Dekar- | i guess |
| 14:43.32 | Dekar- | or |
| 14:43.38 | Dekar- | i think of terran building flames |
| 14:43.51 | Dekar- | but thats a behaviour or something, no? |
| 14:43.54 | A1win | mmh |
| 14:43.56 | Dekar- | so you could just trigger it |
| 14:44.06 | Dekar- | or maybe there is an event |
| 14:44.09 | Dekar- | who knows :P |
| 14:44.23 | A1win | maybe a behavior that the events require them to have |
| 14:44.27 | A1win | I'll take a look |
| 14:44.57 | Dekar- | hmm, lets see what i need to do next ... |
| 14:45.06 | Dekar- | dialog |
| 14:45.07 | Dekar- | yey |
| 14:45.08 | Dekar- | ... |
| 14:45.22 | Kueken | tried the dialog designer`? |
| 14:45.52 | Helral|Work | who made that one? ;p |
| 14:46.12 | Kueken | dunno |
| 14:46.15 | Kueken | some french dude |
| 14:46.20 | Helral|Work | saw it on the front page some time ago I think. or someone linked a youtube movie to it. |
| 14:47.03 | A1win | the TerranFlamesLargeBuilding actor has lots of "State Change" events with "StateValid: LightSmoke" etc. checks |
| 14:47.16 | Dekar- | i actually have the dialog done |
| 14:47.17 | A1win | what's that x.x |
| 14:47.20 | Dekar- | but im converting it to andromeda |
| 14:47.22 | Dekar- | and clean it up |
| 14:47.43 | Kueken | I like andromeda, but I hate using it xD |
| 14:47.45 | A1win | they're not validators at least... |
| 14:47.53 | Kueken | lengthens every test so much... |
| 14:48.25 | Dekar- | just compiling it and doubleclicking the map |
| 14:48.29 | Dekar- | :3 |
| 14:48.38 | Kueken | instead of press test |
| 14:48.46 | Kueken | thats about 10 times as much time |
| 14:48.56 | Kueken | and I used to test a lot |
| 14:49.02 | Kueken | change 2 chars |
| 14:49.05 | Kueken | test again |
| 14:49.08 | Dekar- | but you save a lot of time compared to using GUI for complex sydtems |
| 14:49.11 | Helral|Work | wonders what andromeda would add to what you can't already do.... |
| 14:49.19 | Kueken | compared to gui |
| 14:49.29 | A1win | oh well I'll just do this in triggers =p makes more sense x) |
| 14:49.30 | Kueken | but compared to plain galaxy scripting |
| 14:49.34 | Kueken | almost nothing |
| 14:49.44 | Dekar- | andromeda lets you write clean, object oriented code |
| 14:49.54 | Helral|Work | hmmm |
| 14:49.56 | Dekar- | where you can pass structures |
| 14:49.56 | Kueken | indeed and i really apprechiate that |
| 14:50.13 | Helral|Work | is an oldschool linear programmer. |
| 14:50.20 | Dekar- | spagetti code |
| 14:50.21 | Dekar- | xD |
| 14:50.25 | Helral|Work | not really |
| 14:50.32 | Helral|Work | you can still define routines etc. |
| 14:50.33 | Dekar- | single noodle |
| 14:50.39 | Dekar- | thats pretty linear |
| 14:50.40 | Dekar- | :3 |
| 14:50.53 | Kueken | would like to use it, but the recompile thing currently annoys me too much |
| 14:50.58 | Dekar- | helral oriented code |
| 14:51.00 | Helral|Work | it only becomes spagetti code if you keep adding stuff at locations where you shouldn't add it. |
| 14:51.00 | Kueken | so I stick to galaxy code |
| 14:51.02 | Helral|Work | :P |
| 14:51.44 | A1win | pff why are kerrigan's walk animations designed for such slow movement <.< |
| 14:52.05 | Helral|Work | hmmm wonder how long it would take to write a RDM with andromeda compared to the trigger editor. |
| 14:52.38 | Kueken | rdm? |
| 14:52.45 | Helral|Work | Random Dungeon Map |
| 14:52.46 | Helral|Work | :P |
| 14:52.54 | Helral|Work | meows |
| 14:53.11 | Helral|Work | Kueken: or do you doubt that it is possible? |
| 14:53.17 | Dekar- | its far easier |
| 14:53.31 | Helral|Work | really Dekar-? |
| 14:53.38 | Dekar- | if you can code, that is |
| 14:53.39 | Kueken | well, almost everything possible in galaxy is possible with the gui |
| 14:53.39 | Dekar- | :P |
| 14:53.52 | Kueken | and andromeda is converted to galaxy anyway |
| 14:54.00 | Dekar- | i was really annoying by saving my structs in arrays |
| 14:54.04 | Dekar- | and then passing their id around |
| 14:54.06 | Dekar- | just to convert it back |
| 14:54.26 | Dekar- | because im creating something more complex with stacked structs |
| 14:54.38 | Dekar- | and then i need 20 clicks to get one variable |
| 14:54.44 | Helral|Work | lol |
| 14:54.54 | Helral|Work | that's quite a big stack then. |
| 14:55.02 | Dekar- | where in andromeda i can just save the objects in each other |
| 14:55.07 | Kueken | the thing i hate most about plain galaxy is the need of unique identifiers for every damn function -.- |
| 14:55.22 | A1win | meh I'll just make her move slower then =p |
| 14:55.25 | Helral|Work | Kueken: you want to uses anons? |
| 14:55.27 | Kueken | that alone would be reason enough for me to use andromeda |
| 14:55.44 | Kueken | if it was somehow integrated in the editor |
| 14:55.55 | Kueken | like vJass for wc3 |
| 14:55.57 | Dekar- | yeah |
| 14:56.01 | Dekar- | that was that phygal |
| 14:56.03 | Helral|Work | anons would be nice. |
| 14:56.07 | Dekar- | but development stopped as it seems |
| 14:56.07 | A1win | "I'm a class 12 psionic, and although 10 marines are firing bullets at me, I'm not in a hurry!" |
| 14:56.21 | Dekar- | and moonlite is nowhere near finished |
| 14:56.22 | Kueken | as soon as andromeda is hacked into the galaxy editor |
| 14:56.26 | Helral|Work | pets A1win |
| 14:56.29 | Kueken | ill be the first to use it |
| 14:58.39 | Helral|Work | meows |
| 14:58.52 | Helral|Work | so you'll hack it into the sc2editor then, Kueken. |
| 14:58.59 | Dekar- | yeah |
| 14:59.00 | Dekar- | do it |
| 14:59.02 | Dekar- | you know you want to |
| 15:02.13 | A1win | cool, now she spreads her wings open when her rage isn't degenerating =x |
| 15:03.00 | A1win | except that she also starts taking smaller steps so it looks weird when she's moving at high speed <.< |
| 15:03.22 | A1win | ...when the wings aren't open, that is |
| 15:03.44 | Helral|Work | meows |
| 15:04.12 | A1win | what do I need to do to get someone make run animations for her x_x |
| 15:04.43 | Helral|Work | go to the forums, someone has a thread about getting him to make you animations for existing units. ;p |
| 15:04.58 | A1win | really? :s |
| 15:05.09 | Helral|Work | yup |
| 15:05.10 | A1win | I posted a new thread there already though |
| 15:05.15 | Helral|Work | hehehe |
| 15:05.29 | A1win | where is it? ;p |
| 15:05.41 | Helral|Work | think in the artist corner a sticky. |
| 15:06.28 | A1win | oh, it has a requests subforum |
| 15:06.39 | A1win | so I posted it in the wrong place :3 |
| 15:07.10 | Helral|Work | pets A1win, and meows: "it will be alright, you poor human" |
| 15:07.12 | A1win | but no such sticky there |
| 15:07.16 | Helral|Work | hmmm |
| 15:07.25 | Helral|Work | meows |
| 15:08.00 | Helral|Work | well it was somewhere ;p I know I saw a sticky which was about that. something like blabla's corner orsomething. |
| 15:08.23 | A1win | mmmh in the art assets forum |
| 15:08.38 | A1win | why is it sticky there since there's an entire subforum for requests |
| 15:08.44 | A1win | and it doesn't mention models in its name :P |
| 15:09.21 | Helral|Work | all that fella does if I read it correctly was add animations to existing models. |
| 15:09.29 | Helral|Work | so no idea how well it will look though ;p |
| 15:09.39 | Dekar- | loot burn rape kill repeat |
| 15:09.56 | A1win | he doesn't want to make "extreme" animation changes though |
| 15:10.26 | Helral|Work | so creating a better stride animation shouldn't be that much of a change ;p |
| 15:10.42 | A1win | mmh |
| 15:11.01 | A1win | can I delete my own threads :P |
| 15:11.09 | Helral|Work | think so ;p |
| 15:11.22 | Helral|Work | just delete the first post? |
| 15:11.32 | A1win | mmh can't |
| 15:11.38 | A1win | can lock them though |
| 15:11.39 | Dekar- | even if it doesnt work, it will make people look stupid who responded! |
| 15:11.41 | Helral|Work | or the thread maybe using the edit thread function. |
| 15:12.01 | Helral|Work | ;p |
| 15:12.07 | Dekar- | or ask the mod you trust |
| 15:12.26 | Helral|Work | send a pm to the mod of that section ;p |
| 15:12.27 | Dekar- | too bad xara isnt here |
| 15:12.37 | Dekar- | he was so happy to have a glowing name |
| 15:12.44 | Helral|Work | lol |
| 15:13.00 | Helral|Work | I would send a pm to vjeux ;p but then that's me ;p |
| 15:13.33 | Dekar- | that slacke |
| 15:13.34 | Dekar- | r |
| 15:13.38 | Helral|Work | ;p |
| 15:13.47 | Helral|Work | he should be here now shouldn't he. |
| 15:14.00 | Dekar- | maybe hes eating baguette |
| 15:14.01 | Dekar- | xD |
| 15:14.08 | Helral|Work | thought he and sixen should be in the channel taking turns ;p |
| 15:14.27 | Helral|Work | like in vjeux when europe is awake, and sixen when usa is awake ;p |
| 15:14.30 | A1win | I'll just ask one of them when I see them here ;p |
| 15:15.10 | Helral|Work | you can also try asking nicoli_s, Kaelten, ckknight but I doubt they can help you. afaik they handle some other stuff at curse. |
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| 15:16.04 | Helral|Work | hmmm pm isn't much in the channel either lately. |
| 15:16.33 | Dekar- | yay more snow |
| 15:17.36 | Helral|Work | hmmm I don't mind the snow, just the cold. |
| 15:18.08 | Dekar- | i prefer cold to hot |
| 15:18.25 | Helral|Work | well I can only keep 1 room where I live atm, heated. |
| 15:18.32 | Dekar- | :/ |
| 15:18.40 | Helral|Work | exactly. |
| 15:18.59 | Helral|Work | so I'd prefer the heat over the cold to be honest. |
| 15:20.19 | Helral|Work | heating up 90m3 goes better then heating up 300m3 |
| 15:22.27 | A1win | we have all houses heated for the winter here ;p |
| 15:23.21 | A1win | double glass windows and heat insulation stuff inside the walls |
| 15:23.24 | Helral|Work | also the 90m3 has only a surface of about 16m2 through which the heat slowly slips away., and the 300m3 has a surface area of 40m2 through which the heat slips a bit faster away. |
| 15:23.35 | Helral|Work | I live in an old leather factory ;p |
| 15:23.43 | A1win | :X |
| 15:24.19 | Helral|Work | what? |
| 15:24.24 | Dekar- | no |
| 15:24.25 | Dekar- | what? |
| 15:24.55 | Dekar- | how does one get to live in an old leather factory? |
| 15:25.23 | Helral|Work | well by renting an area there ;p |
| 15:25.29 | Dekar- | i thought you were just a poor insane cat when in fact you are a rich, insane, leather tycoon cat |
| 15:25.53 | Helral|Work | nope ;p I rent only a bit of the place. it isn't in operation anymore ;p |
| 15:27.05 | Helral|Work | Dekar-: I'm not a leather tycoon ;p |
| 15:27.13 | Dekar- | ok! |
| 15:27.16 | Helral|Work | I'm just a rich insane cat. |
| 15:27.30 | Helral|Work | and I work to become even richer. |
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| 15:33.05 | A1win | hmm... just realized kerrigan doesn't get experience when her zerglings kill enemies |
| 15:33.24 | A1win | any way to fix that? |
| 15:36.05 | Kueken | apply the "kills to caster" behavior to the zerglings on spawn |
| 15:36.44 | A1win | that means I need to actually turn spawning them into an ability then :P I'm just spawning them with a trigger atm <.< |
| 15:37.44 | A1win | I suppose I could change it to an effect which I then create with the trigger |
| 15:41.09 | Dekar- | actually |
| 15:41.22 | Dekar- | try applying the behaviour with a trigger? |
| 15:41.30 | Dekar- | you can determine who casts it |
| 15:41.35 | A1win | oh... hmm |
| 15:41.45 | Dekar- | im interested if it works |
| 15:41.52 | Dekar- | could need that too at some point |
| 15:41.59 | A1win | mmm |
| 15:42.59 | A1win | works ^^ |
| 15:44.34 | BorgDragon | god damn i'm on a negative streak today ;\ |
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| 15:46.45 | Helral|Work | really BorgDragon? |
| 15:47.26 | BorgDragon | ya |
| 15:47.32 | BorgDragon | why won't this damn egg attach to the unit? |
| 15:47.41 | BorgDragon | like.. I've attached hundreds of things to other units before |
| 15:47.43 | Helral|Work | how you trying to attach it? |
| 15:47.53 | BorgDragon | SOpAttach |
| 15:47.58 | BorgDragon | ModelAddition |
| 15:48.00 | BorgDragon | just like the other ones |
| 15:48.04 | Helral|Work | hmmm |
| 15:48.13 | BorgDragon | Host set to the unit I want it on, proper Events for it |
| 15:48.27 | BorgDragon | I've tried every attachment points on the unit too |
| 15:48.39 | BorgDragon | from SOpAttachOverhead to Origin to Target to Center |
| 15:48.41 | BorgDragon | nothing... |
| 15:48.48 | Helral|Work | just wondering: is there an actor flag orso that can disable the attaching of an unit to another unit? |
| 15:48.51 | BorgDragon | even scaled the model addition to 2.0 |
| 15:48.58 | BorgDragon | no |
| 15:49.18 | Helral|Work | like in EggActor has a flag that disables the possibility to attach it to another unit. |
| 15:49.19 | Helral|Work | .... |
| 15:51.07 | BorgDragon | nope |
| 15:51.13 | BorgDragon | just took a look |
| 15:51.15 | BorgDragon | all the flags are fine |
| 15:51.37 | Helral|Work | does the egg show when normally placed using it as an unit? |
| 15:52.18 | BorgDragon | yes, i'm using Kerrigan's Egg |
| 15:52.32 | Kueken | you need to set the actor subject to alias -> selectable if it is currently nothing |
| 15:52.43 | BorgDragon | it's set |
| 15:53.10 | Kueken | maybe the host model lacks attachment points? |
| 15:53.23 | Helral|Work | Kueken then center would still work. |
| 15:53.24 | BorgDragon | it has attach points, I'm looking at them in the previewer |
| 15:53.34 | Kueken | helral nope |
| 15:53.36 | BorgDragon | Center would not work if it doesn't |
| 15:53.43 | Helral|Work | hmmm |
| 15:53.49 | Kueken | a model without attachment point cannot even attach to center |
| 15:53.49 | BorgDragon | the only one that MIGHT work would be harness, but even then I don't think it would work |
| 15:53.51 | Helral|Work | well there was 1 that always worked |
| 15:53.54 | Helral|Work | ;p |
| 15:54.25 | Kueken | are you sure the host can be picked correctly? |
| 15:54.39 | Kueken | you might want to set it from implicit to actor find |
| 15:54.51 | BorgDragon | I added in the actor events for hte egg ActorCreation.Unit ->Create |
| 15:55.09 | Kueken | then change implicit to creation maybe |
| 15:55.29 | BorgDragon | damnit nvm |
| 15:55.33 | BorgDragon | i'm dumb |
| 15:55.39 | Helral|Work | what was it? |
| 15:55.43 | BorgDragon | it should be UnitBirth, instead of ActorCreation |
| 15:55.47 | BorgDragon | -_- |
| 15:55.49 | Helral|Work | lol |
| 15:55.54 | Kueken | that doesn't matter |
| 15:55.54 | BorgDragon | i'll test that out |
| 15:55.56 | Kueken | usually |
| 15:56.07 | Helral|Work | Kueken: well it actually does. |
| 15:56.21 | Kueken | depends |
| 15:56.28 | Kueken | in special situations I agree |
| 15:56.30 | Kueken | but usually |
| 15:56.31 | Kueken | no |
| 15:56.51 | BorgDragon | bah editor crash |
| 15:56.53 | Helral|Work | Kueken: actor creation is in responce of the actor being created, but if it's an siteops, it doesn't create the actor. you need to create the actor in response to something else then. |
| 15:56.56 | Kueken | assuming the host actor gets created on unit creation as well |
| 15:57.20 | BorgDragon | I've always used UnitBirth for my model addition's events. |
| 15:57.22 | Kueken | well I assumed he created the actor from within the host actor |
| 15:57.26 | BorgDragon | dunno why I went and used ActorCreation |
| 15:57.26 | Helral|Work | UnitBirth = unit creation. |
| 15:57.58 | Kueken | if he used actor creation for the addition itself, then yeah that obviously does not work ;) |
| 15:58.08 | Helral|Work | well I assumed he did the events correctly ;p |
| 15:58.15 | BorgDragon | aright that worked |
| 15:58.16 | Kueken | i automatically assumed this would be ruled out xD |
| 15:58.19 | BorgDragon | from ActorCreation to UnitBirth |
| 15:58.28 | Helral|Work | meows |
| 15:58.28 | BorgDragon | stupid little mistakes lol |
| 15:58.51 | Helral|Work | pets BorgDragon, and meows: "All will be well, human" |
| 16:00.04 | Helral|Work | throws a bone at wOlfLinG |
| 16:06.18 | Dekar- | hes no human, hes a borgdragon! |
| 16:06.46 | Helral|Work | thinks he sounds human, he smells human, so he is human ;p |
| 16:06.57 | Helral|Work | meows |
| 16:07.19 | Kueken | any chance to make a spawned unit face the target point of an ability using data only? |
| 16:07.50 | Kueken | for the WDE I did some stupid dummy unit spawning to create the bombers facing in the right direction |
| 16:08.22 | Helral|Work | hmmmm |
| 16:09.03 | Kueken | for reference |
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| 16:09.08 | Kueken | I want something like this: |
| 16:09.09 | Kueken | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARsCm6wHUY0&hd=1 |
| 16:09.21 | Kueken | currently I use 4 dummy units |
| 16:09.34 | Kueken | to make the bombers face the correct direction |
| 16:09.38 | Kueken | works pretty well |
| 16:09.50 | Kueken | but i'd like to get rid of those dummy units |
| 16:10.11 | Helral|Work | well you can do a search on the target effect area, and the set the unit facing correctly to that point (somehow) |
| 16:10.32 | Kueken | the point with the set facing is the problem ;) |
| 16:10.42 | Kueken | could easily do that using triggers |
| 16:10.43 | Helral|Work | why? |
| 16:10.48 | BorgDragon | do you have Set Facing flagged on the create unit effect? |
| 16:10.49 | Kueken | but its a data exercise after all |
| 16:11.07 | Kueken | ye thats how I got them facing the correct way after all |
| 16:11.27 | Kueken | however its not that you could just enter a facing |
| 16:11.44 | Kueken | or pick a specific effect impact as a source point |
| 16:11.51 | Kueken | at least not that I know of |
| 16:11.59 | Kueken | usually oyu use source |
| 16:12.03 | Kueken | *you |
| 16:12.08 | Kueken | but thats the caster |
| 16:12.13 | Vail|homeWork | an issue order giving the proper target and issuing the move order with the index set to the turn index could work |
| 16:12.38 | A1win | it's a data excercise, not a data hack-it-in-a-very-weird-way-if-you-can't-solve-it-otherwise-even-if-it'd-be-possible-to-make-it-a-lot-easier-using-triggers |
| 16:12.50 | BorgDragon | should be possible with the Actors Events |
| 16:13.00 | Kueken | certainly not xD |
| 16:13.16 | Kueken | seriously, have you checked the rotation actor events? |
| 16:13.22 | Kueken | they pretty much suck ^^ |
| 16:13.34 | Kueken | also they have no influence on the unit itself |
| 16:14.17 | Kueken | a1win: the point of the exercise is to learn of to work out things with data |
| 16:14.25 | Kueken | maybe its easy |
| 16:14.27 | Vail|homeWork | the issue order command seem like it would solve this problem |
| 16:14.41 | Kueken | gonna try that in a moment |
| 16:14.49 | BorgDragon | Event: Effect.Whatever.Start [Term] At Effect [Action] SetFacing ? |
| 16:15.15 | Kueken | you can only set the facing absolute+ |
| 16:15.17 | BorgDragon | don't know if that would work |
| 16:15.19 | Kueken | not on a point |
| 16:15.22 | BorgDragon | aah ok |
| 16:15.28 | BorgDragon | thought so, just wasn't 100% sure |
| 16:15.32 | Kueken | and it does only set the actor rotation |
| 16:15.35 | Kueken | not unit facing |
| 16:15.45 | BorgDragon | aah |
| 16:16.23 | Kueken | good call on the move command |
| 16:16.34 | Kueken | didnt know it had a separate turn command |
| 16:16.42 | Kueken | how does it work? |
| 16:16.51 | Kueken | simply turns in direction of target point? |
| 16:17.04 | A1win | Kueken, yea I know ;p but my point was that you should learn to work out things in data using methods that are reasonable to do using data editor instead of triggers |
| 16:17.18 | Kueken | thats why im asking you :) |
| 16:17.34 | Kueken | my current method Is indeed unreasonable |
| 16:17.39 | Kueken | and I want to improve it |
| 16:17.44 | A1win | mmm |
| 16:18.12 | A1win | I wasn't implying anything about your work, didn't even read everything you had been talking about :P |
| 16:19.54 | wOlfLinG | How do i scale a unit's selection ring? |
| 16:19.57 | Kueken | dond worry, no offense taken ;) |
| 16:20.07 | Helral|Work | wOlfLinG: selection radius |
| 16:20.13 | wOlfLinG | I have a giant model from WoW, and i need to scale the select ring thing to it's size :/ |
| 16:20.56 | wOlfLinG | Hmm... Doesn't seem to be in the actropr Helral |
| 16:21.00 | wOlfLinG | Actor* |
| 16:21.07 | Helral|Work | the unit |
| 16:21.08 | wOlfLinG | k |
| 16:22.05 | wOlfLinG | Not in the unit wither :/ |
| 16:22.08 | wOlfLinG | either* |
| 16:22.15 | wOlfLinG | My spelling is terrible today -.- |
| 16:22.18 | Helral|Work | hmmmmm |
| 16:22.26 | Helral|Work | thought it was there... |
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| 16:23.02 | wOlfLinG | :O on the model |
| 16:23.09 | Helral|Work | lol |
| 16:23.14 | Helral|Work | ok on the model then... |
| 16:23.17 | Helral|Work | it was somewhere ;p |
| 16:23.25 | A1win | selection ring scales with the actor... maybe it's in the model? |
| 16:23.32 | Kueken | it is |
| 16:23.37 | Kueken | or should be |
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| 16:31.38 | Vail|homeWork | i believe it turns to face the taregt |
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| 16:31.51 | Vail|homeWork | sorry for the late response doing a final project for college |
| 16:33.19 | Vail|homeWork | just as simple as that. |
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| 16:42.36 | rebb | hi |
| 16:44.25 | rebb | i'm trying to make a custom grenade-like weapon that explodes on impact, it works ok so far, applying it's damage at the impact point. but i can't seem to get the impact-effects to show up there too. they always seem to "snap" to the targeted unit instead. anyone know something about this ? |
| 16:45.19 | Kueken | damn |
| 16:45.50 | Kueken | you actually CAN specify a target point of a specific effect |
| 16:46.07 | Kueken | makes basically 3/4 of my whole data junk useless |
| 16:46.44 | Vail|homeWork | ouch |
| 16:59.12 | A1win | anyone wanna help storming some ideas for my UI? so far the idea is that there's a kind of an action bar of around 3-5 different abilities which you can use with keys 1-5... then I thought that you could change the ability bound to right mouse button by pressing alt+1-5 (or shift or control), and then also when gaining a level up, you could improve one of those abilities by pressing another modified + 1-5... but the problem is that then you wouldn't ... |
| 16:59.18 | A1win | ... really see the info about those abilities since you don't have cursor visible, and since I also want to add passive abilities that aren't actually used by buttons, they'd need some other way to add points to them |
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| 17:00.48 | A1win | I wouldn't want to resort into using mouse for that since mouse is used for moving your camera, and it's a fast-paced game where reading and clicking abilities would create unpleasant pauses... |
| 17:04.42 | Kueken | got the turn thing to work btw |
| 17:04.58 | Kueken | could cut all dummy units and make the ability a lot cleaner |
| 17:05.28 | A1win | I just found a bug >_> |
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| 17:05.57 | A1win | if you have mouse look enabled and open the menu, then move your mouse on a custom dialog and close the menu, the mouse remains as a cursor until you move it away from that dialog |
| 17:06.25 | A1win | hmm |
| 17:06.34 | A1win | apparently it only happens for certain types of dialog items... |
| 17:06.47 | A1win | not for images, but for progress bars at least |
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| 17:26.22 | Vail|homeWork | i need ideas for items |
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| 17:29.25 | Dekar- | banhammer |
| 17:29.54 | A1win | large trout |
| 17:30.24 | Helral | slaps A1win around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:30.33 | Dekar- | cat paw |
| 17:31.09 | Dekar- | triggerers goggles |
| 17:31.36 | Helral | meows |
| 17:31.41 | A1win | how about this ability/level up system for 3rd person game with no cursor enabled: 1-5 to use an ability, ctrl+1-5 to bind that ability to right mouse (so you can use right mouse instead of that number), shift+1-5 to display an info box showing what the ability does (hit it again to close it, or press esc), and alt+1-5 to add a skill point to that ability after gaining a level |
| 17:32.04 | Dekar- | why dont you just use shift to display a help overlay? |
| 17:32.05 | Dekar- | geez |
| 17:32.13 | A1win | hmm? |
| 17:32.22 | Dekar- | all tooltips and additional infos you could ever need |
| 17:32.28 | Dekar- | a help screen |
| 17:32.30 | Dekar- | kinda |
| 17:32.47 | Dekar- | why limit the display to one skill at a time? |
| 17:32.58 | Dekar- | with a 2 key combo |
| 17:32.59 | Dekar- | when you can just |
| 17:33.02 | Dekar- | display all information |
| 17:33.04 | Dekar- | with a single key |
| 17:33.05 | A1win | so that you can still see the game? ;p |
| 17:33.05 | Dekar- | ! |
| 17:33.15 | Dekar- | i doubt you read the tooltip during combat |
| 17:33.18 | A1win | and not hide you screen with all kinds of info |
| 17:33.46 | A1win | but yeah I suppose it's better to show them all in one screen ;p |
| 17:34.10 | A1win | the abilities, not everything |
| 17:34.23 | A1win | but not with shift then :P |
| 17:36.22 | A1win | could even pause the game with the help screen since it's singleplayer |
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| 17:36.59 | A1win | but it should only be needed once to read what all the abilities do (or if you forget) |
| 17:36.59 | Tordy | can someone help me figure what could cause clients to crash when loading banks? |
| 17:37.07 | Tordy | crash upon loading of the map |
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| 17:37.51 | Tordy | all im doing when loading banks is reading each section and setting them to player variables |
| 17:38.02 | Tordy | well |
| 17:38.05 | Tordy | prob a little more than that |
| 17:38.17 | Tordy | could it be related to decryption of the string? |
| 17:38.19 | Tordy | since im using starcoed |
| 17:38.22 | Tordy | starcode |
| 17:39.22 | Tordy | because it's a specific pattern of the strings that causes crashes |
| 17:39.52 | Tordy | i ask someone that always experienced crashes to upload their bank for me so i can test it myself and it always crashed when i used that bank |
| 17:39.59 | Tordy | how would i try to isolate the problem? |
| 17:40.25 | Tordy | delete each section 1-by-1 and test if it crashes reepeat? |
| 17:45.49 | Tordy | hi there |
| 17:48.03 | A1win | or maybe I'll just enable cursor while holding alt or something ;p |
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| 17:50.48 | doite | Hey guys |
| 17:51.29 | doite | I have a question. One of my maps has grown popular fast and i tried it just a sec ago |
| 17:51.30 | Dekar- | hi |
| 17:51.34 | doite | But theres an issue |
| 17:51.39 | Dekar- | what map? D: |
| 17:52.21 | doite | doomsday, released it just 2-3 days ago |
| 17:52.27 | doite | Went from 1 player per hour to 200 per hour in 1 day |
| 17:52.39 | doite | or 280 or something, anyway |
| 17:52.39 | doite | http://paste.sc2mapster.com/2955/ |
| 17:52.49 | doite | I have a trigger to order the units |
| 17:52.56 | doite | Ignore the first condition |
| 17:53.30 | Tordy | hi doite |
| 17:53.48 | Tordy | i wish s3rius was here |
| 17:53.49 | Tordy | :/ |
| 17:53.58 | doite | Its just a test becouse what i want to do is -> ORDER units to attack player 1 or 2 depending on if there are 1 or 2 players. (done), IF players are within region (tower point-> They get bugged) so If they are they should attack point entrence |
| 17:54.00 | doite | This they do |
| 17:54.21 | doite | WHEN they come to entrence they should attack another point, that leads up to attacking player again |
| 17:54.23 | doite | NOW |
| 17:54.38 | Dekar- | ._. |
| 17:54.46 | Tordy | doite are you experienced with Starcode and bank loading |
| 17:54.50 | Tordy | Dekar- are you |
| 17:54.54 | Dekar- | no |
| 17:54.57 | Tordy | :( |
| 17:55.23 | Tordy | hi Dekar- |
| 17:55.26 | Tordy | hi! |
| 17:55.27 | Tordy | :) |
| 17:55.29 | Dekar- | hi |
| 17:55.36 | doite | whats happending is that when i am at tower point, they go to attacking tower enterence-> then go to next point, BUT if (in between next point and this enterence) the trigger runs again (every 20 sec) they run BACK to enterence |
| 17:55.45 | doite | So.. |
| 17:56.01 | Dekar- | so you should check their current order? |
| 17:56.04 | Dekar- | if they are attacking? |
| 17:56.04 | doite | I want to make a condition that IF they have a current order -> |
| 17:56.05 | doite | yes |
| 17:56.11 | RodOfNOD | Tordy i amwhatsup? |
| 17:56.27 | doite | Is that possible dekar? |
| 17:57.00 | doite | Or if they have a Specific order... is that possible? |
| 17:57.04 | Tordy | RodOfNOD: certain players are experiencing crashes 100% of the time when they load my map and i've pinpointed it to loading of banks |
| 17:57.23 | Tordy | it's apparently some very specific pattern of strings the loading process doesn't like that causes it |
| 17:57.25 | Tordy | but im not sure what |
| 17:57.27 | rebb | does anyone know how to get the impact-effect of an Attack-Actor to sit exactly at the point where the damage is applied. and doesn't get snapped to the targeted unit instead ? |
| 17:57.27 | Dekar- | you could just give them a custom value |
| 17:57.27 | Tordy | kind of pattern |
| 17:57.43 | doite | ((Triggering unit) order at index 0) == Value 2 |
| 17:57.46 | doite | is that it then? |
| 17:57.48 | doite | or? |
| 17:57.50 | Tordy | I've asked those players to upload their banks to me so I can test it out |
| 17:57.51 | Dekar- | i guess |
| 17:57.58 | doite | But what is index? |
| 17:57.59 | Tordy | crashed 100% of the time even when using test mode in galaxy |
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| 17:58.12 | Dekar- | in sc2 custom value is an array |
| 17:58.18 | Dekar- | so you can save multiple custom values |
| 17:58.22 | Tordy | could it be related to starcode when decrypting / unhashing strings? |
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| 17:58.28 | Dekar- | so you use index 0 for your order saving |
| 17:58.33 | Tordy | or the size of the strings? |
| 17:58.36 | Dekar- | when you order them the first time |
| 17:58.39 | Dekar- | you set it to 1 |
| 17:58.47 | Dekar- | when they attack the entrance you set it to 2 |
| 17:58.55 | Dekar- | and when they attack the last point you set it to 3 |
| 17:58.58 | Dekar- | or whatever you need |
| 17:59.06 | doite | How do i set it? |
| 17:59.10 | doite | set index? |
| 17:59.12 | Dekar- | set custom value action? |
| 17:59.13 | doite | ill check |
| 17:59.18 | doite | oh |
| 17:59.23 | doite | is there a action for that.. |
| 17:59.25 | Dekar- | yes |
| 17:59.50 | Tordy | do you have any idea what part of starcode or string reading that could possibly cause a crash of the sc2 client? |
| 18:00.13 | Tordy | like any kind of string |
| 18:00.23 | Tordy | what kind of string, could it possibly contain a bad character? |
| 18:00.40 | JManV | it shouldn't crash if it did |
| 18:00.48 | JManV | ... theoretically |
| 18:00.57 | doite | Theres no set custom value |
| 18:01.02 | Tordy | so maybe it's related to just the bank loading and not starcode? |
| 18:01.08 | Tordy | like blizz's api for banks |
| 18:01.10 | Tordy | w/e |
| 18:01.10 | RodOfNOD | tordy i DOUBT alot its the actual loading of the strings but more likely a bug in his code that is causing it |
| 18:01.28 | RodOfNOD | can u isolate it down to just his code so i can take alook at it? |
| 18:01.38 | Tordy | hi RodOfNOD |
| 18:01.46 | RodOfNOD | hi :P |
| 18:01.57 | Tordy | im gonna try to isolate what kind of string would cause it |
| 18:02.04 | Tordy | so im gonna delete the sections in the banks 1-by-1 |
| 18:02.09 | Tordy | or try combinations |
| 18:02.11 | Tordy | q/w |
| 18:02.16 | doite | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:02.19 | doite | how do i set index? |
| 18:02.24 | Tordy | actually i dont need to delete them |
| 18:02.38 | Tordy | just make map that loads every arrangement of the sections |
| 18:02.42 | Tordy | use some simple combinatorics |
| 18:03.00 | Tordy | and then pinpoint which arrangement or section causes crashes |
| 18:03.01 | Tordy | maybe |
| 18:03.02 | Tordy | :) |
| 18:03.03 | Tordy | >:) |
| 18:03.21 | doite | That doesnt answor my question at all! |
| 18:03.22 | doite | =) |
| 18:03.26 | Tordy | yes it does! |
| 18:03.30 | Tordy | hi doite |
| 18:03.37 | doite | Hey, i said hey allready=) |
| 18:03.46 | Tordy | im in a meat grinder |
| 18:03.52 | Dekar- | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:04.01 | Tordy | who here's good with regular expressions? |
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| 18:04.35 | doite | Ah... so ill set the unit ... sigh ill just make boolean varaible |
| 18:04.41 | Tordy | im hungry |
| 18:04.46 | doite | so everytime they enter the region = true |
| 18:04.51 | doite | Then leave = false |
| 18:05.11 | doite | but what array would that be.. |
| 18:05.30 | doite | Sigh... i really dont know how to do this, this sucks |
| 18:05.37 | Tordy | what are you doing |
| 18:05.43 | doite | scroll up |
| 18:05.50 | doite | i explained meanwhile you "hied" me |
| 18:05.57 | Dekar- | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:05.59 | Dekar- | theeeeereee |
| 18:06.07 | doite | yes i saw =) thanks dekar |
| 18:06.07 | Tordy | what abou it' |
| 18:06.10 | doite | but it wont work |
| 18:06.18 | doite | Becouse if i have a ... hmm maybe it will.. |
| 18:06.22 | Dekar- | with it you can keep track at what step every unit is |
| 18:06.40 | Dekar- | i think thats what you want |
| 18:06.52 | doite | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:06.55 | doite | no i cant do that |
| 18:07.00 | doite | becouse if i do i cant shoot them |
| 18:07.10 | Dekar- | why? |
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| 18:07.19 | doite | its a third person shooter |
| 18:07.26 | doite | and i have to set the hight of each unit |
| 18:07.29 | doite | i do that though Unit - Set (Picked unit) custom value 0 to 1.0 |
| 18:07.38 | Dekar- | then use custom vlaue 1 |
| 18:07.39 | Dekar- | lol |
| 18:07.48 | doite | well theres different kind of units |
| 18:07.54 | doite | and they recieve that at spawn |
| 18:08.00 | Dekar- | then use custom value 500 |
| 18:08.16 | doite | as i said, if i set units cusom value to 100 |
| 18:08.17 | doite | 500 |
| 18:08.21 | Dekar- | no |
| 18:08.22 | Dekar- | not to 500 |
| 18:08.24 | Dekar- | index 500 |
| 18:08.24 | doite | i have to shoot FARRR up the air |
| 18:08.28 | Dekar- | its still ana rray |
| 18:08.33 | Dekar- | it didnt change from 5 minutes ago |
| 18:08.40 | Dekar- | you can store multiple custom values |
| 18:08.45 | Dekar- | one at each index |
| 18:08.54 | Dekar- | 0 is the first index |
| 18:09.02 | Dekar- | 0 is for height |
| 18:09.09 | Dekar- | 1 is for command step |
| 18:11.29 | doite | ok |
| 18:11.34 | doite | thanks |
| 18:11.37 | doite | but cant i just have (Triggering region) != Tower Region Point enterence |
| 18:11.41 | Helral | meows |
| 18:11.46 | doite | Hey helral |
| 18:12.17 | doite | My map grew from 1 player per hour to 220 something or 200 something player perhour in 1 day! |
| 18:12.26 | doite | :O |
| 18:17.37 | Clord | my map has steady playerbase |
| 18:17.37 | Clord | XD |
| 18:17.39 | Deaod | ITS THE KITTEN! |
| 18:18.48 | doite | Dekar |
| 18:18.48 | doite | ! |
| 18:18.49 | doite | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:19.43 | Dekar- | i dont know how your map works enough |
| 18:19.51 | A1win | seems that my controls work on bnet otherwise well except for the key input lag x\ |
| 18:20.14 | A1win | very frustrating to try it there instead of offline mode :P |
| 18:20.41 | Helral | meows |
| 18:25.59 | RodOfNOD | pokes Helral with a stick |
| 18:26.14 | A1win | is there a way to completely disable using middle mouse to activate the camera moving mode? all I managed to do is disable it from moving the camera but cursor still disappears |
| 18:27.21 | RodOfNOD | only by removing your keyboard A1win unless u mean on ur own computer then it might be an option |
| 18:28.13 | A1win | eh? ;p |
| 18:28.59 | RodOfNOD | areu talking via trigger A1win? |
| 18:29.32 | A1win | doesn't matter how (unless it disables other stuff as well) |
| 18:29.52 | A1win | can't lock camera input since then you can't rotate camera with mouse... |
| 18:30.20 | RodOfNOD | well im asking is this just for you SOLELY or for ur players? |
| 18:30.30 | A1win | for the map ;p |
| 18:31.12 | A1win | and how would removing keyboard have any effect on mouse controls? :P |
| 18:31.24 | RodOfNOD | i was making a joke |
| 18:31.30 | RodOfNOD | ur asking via trigger |
| 18:31.36 | RodOfNOD | andthere is no trigger im aware of to do that |
| 18:31.37 | A1win | trigger or editing the data |
| 18:31.57 | RodOfNOD | im not aware of any data options that deal with that sort of thing |
| 18:32.04 | A1win | mm I suppose not |
| 18:33.10 | A1win | actually I can lock camera input <.< because when the cursor is free the user is not able to rotate camera anyway |
| 18:33.55 | A1win | err |
| 18:34.05 | A1win | except that locking camera input doesn't disable it either :PÅ |
| 18:34.38 | LordAbyss | so i killed 162 buildings in a 4v4 game |
| 18:34.51 | Vail|homeWork | nice |
| 18:35.12 | LordAbyss | that was probably the craziest game i ever played yet |
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| 18:38.02 | Vail|homeWork | we need to figure out what the kill bonus does |
| 18:38.11 | Vail|homeWork | on a behavior |
| 18:43.41 | A1win | how can I make a screen overlay (dialog?) that blocks all mouse input through it o: |
| 18:47.42 | LordAbyss | oook, so gmail won't let me attach something |
| 18:48.00 | LordAbyss | nvm i had to close it and open it |
| 18:48.05 | LordAbyss | weird |
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| 19:03.36 | Vail|homeWork | hmm i may need to adjust my attributes a little with the right four attributes you can boost your heros attack by 31 points in three levels |
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| 19:19.48 | Bibendus | :O |
| 19:21.39 | Dekar- | hi bibendus! \o |
| 19:21.43 | Bibendus | hey |
| 19:23.03 | Vail|homeWork | hmm |
| 19:23.21 | wOlfLinG | So! I'm gonna start a youtube channel soon :D |
| 19:23.33 | Vail|homeWork | yay |
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| 19:24.38 | wOlfLinG | Soo all you peeps who want to know what i sound like/ what a british teenager sounds like can then hear me fail at stuff :D |
| 19:25.09 | Vail|homeWork | hm |
| 19:26.05 | Clord | after nuke card "nerf" my map has already seen almost 100% e-peen growth |
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| 19:51.43 | Bibendus|AFK | is now away - Reason : Auto-Away after 30 minutes |
| 19:56.04 | A1win | can I hide portrait border somehow? |
| 20:00.51 | A1win | set it to black.dds and it disappeared ;x |
| 20:01.41 | Dekar- | what nerf clord? |
| 20:02.02 | Dekar- | and why does it enlarge my e-peen? |
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| 20:02.45 | A1win | argh, I can't create a portrait on a dialog? |
| 20:03.54 | wOlfLinG | nope :) |
| 20:03.55 | wOlfLinG | Portraits are models |
| 20:04.09 | wOlfLinG | Although i think there may be a way to add a model to a dialog :/ |
| 20:04.22 | wOlfLinG | Check Progammers Model viewer map :D |
| 20:04.41 | A1win | portraits aren't models ;p they just display a model |
| 20:04.57 | wOlfLinG | The differance being? |
| 20:05.06 | wOlfLinG | You can display a static model though |
| 20:05.15 | wOlfLinG | static portrait* |
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| 20:06.21 | A1win | well there's no reason why a portrait wouldn't be able to be rendered above a dialog, portrait is just another texture like any dialog image... it just has a 3D view rendered on it |
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| 20:07.10 | A1win | what's the dialog RTT (render to texture) channel :o |
| 20:09.15 | A1win | I can set render to texture channel for a dialog and for a portrait, but nothing seems to happen... |
| 20:11.38 | Dekar- | find out more about it! |
| 20:12.46 | Vail|homeWork | do units have to have veterancy to share exp from kills? |
| 20:13.19 | Curry|Away | units have to have vet to get any exp at all |
| 20:13.34 | Vail|homeWork | thats what i thought |
| 20:13.40 | Curry|Away | well |
| 20:13.40 | A1win | Vail|homeWork, I used a trigger to create Kills To Caster behavior from the unit who I want to get the exp to the unit I want to get the exp from |
| 20:13.48 | Curry|Away | you can trigger shared exp from any unit death Vail |
| 20:14.06 | Curry|Away | with a search area seeing how many ally players are close engouh to get shared exp |
| 20:14.19 | Vail|homeWork | i have to avoid triggers for as much as possible the lag out the loading of maps on my machine |
| 20:14.36 | Curry|Away | well.. I don't know how to do shared exp in de |
| 20:14.44 | Vail|homeWork | dummy vet |
| 20:14.51 | Vail|homeWork | on EVERY UNIT sigh |
| 20:14.55 | Curry|Away | well, you still have to decide who gets the shared exp |
| 20:15.13 | Vail|homeWork | yeah. |
| 20:15.26 | Curry|Away | the unit doesn't have to have vet to kill a unit and grant shared exp =| I suppose that's where the trigger comes in though |
| 20:16.15 | Vail|homeWork | i suppose i i have a solution |
| 20:17.51 | A1win | cool, need to set portrait render type to LDR and it shows on top of dialogs |
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| 20:25.06 | Curry|Away | Hmmmm, darn power visual model doesn't want to work =O |
| 20:26.44 | Dekar- | darnz |
| 20:27.28 | Vail|homeWork | ? |
| 20:27.35 | Dekar- | whats LDR and where do you set it A1win? |
| 20:27.43 | Curry|Away | trying to use the power grid model |
| 20:27.50 | Curry|Away | from pylons |
| 20:27.54 | A1win | Dekar-, Set Portrait Render Type action |
| 20:28.16 | A1win | it has two presets, PortraitRenderTypeHDR and PortraitRenderTypeLDR |
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| 20:40.40 | Curry|Away | yay power visual works |
| 20:43.23 | Vail|homeWork | yay but works for what? |
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| 20:51.21 | Dekar- | general yayness |
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| 20:55.54 | Vail|homeWork | awsome there is a new worlds hotest chili |
| 20:56.00 | Vail|homeWork | pepper |
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| 20:57.43 | Curry|Away | it works for my marauders super missile |
| 20:57.52 | Curry|Away | it leaves a slowing effect at the target |
| 20:58.04 | Curry|Away | and now you can see the area with a color changing power splat |
| 20:58.47 | Curry|Away | until I find/import a decent gas cloud/poison pool model |
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| 21:02.13 | Vail|homeWork | the creep gas actor wouldnt work? |
| 21:02.20 | Vail|homeWork | its abit dark though |
| 21:02.28 | Curry|Away | creep cloud? |
| 21:02.45 | Vail|homeWork | ah i think thats the name |
| 21:08.05 | Obatztrara | has anyone time for a short test? |
| 21:08.08 | Obatztrara | (EU) |
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| 21:14.58 | DarkRevenant | hmm |
| 21:15.01 | DarkRevenant | silent... |
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| 21:28.43 | wOlfLinG | So, anyone got WoW model viewer? |
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| 21:31.38 | wOlfLinG | Loving custom assets right now :D |
| 21:31.59 | wOlfLinG | trying to get a map with a custom tileset, models and UI. UI is gonna be hard though :/ |
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| 21:38.40 | nicoli_s | got any pics so far? |
| 21:40.06 | DarkRevenant | it's easy to make custom UI |
| 21:40.11 | DarkRevenant | it's hard to make good custom UI |
| 21:40.34 | DarkRevenant | the art part is even worse because you have to design the graphics after you make it functional |
| 21:40.44 | DarkRevenant | and it's always a tricky process |
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| 21:41.16 | wOlfLinG | Just wondering, is it possible, and for that matter allowed to modify the GUI XML files in the MPQ? |
| 21:41.27 | wOlfLinG | Think i saw someone do that a while back |
| 21:42.51 | Curry|Away | hmm impossible to have 2 seperate actors working off the same event .. model actors anyways |
| 21:42.58 | Curry|Away | or maybe i'm just doing it wrong. |
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| 21:45.24 | wOlfLinG | So, possible to do a complete overthrow of the UI or not? As in, completely changing the UI, ability buttons etc |
| 21:46.02 | nicoli_s | not sure |
| 21:46.13 | nicoli_s | if you can, i doubt itd work on bnet |
| 21:47.18 | RodOfNOD | wOlfLinG u could do it but it would only work for u ATM |
| 21:47.31 | wOlfLinG | So i couldn't upload to bnet? :/ |
| 21:47.36 | RodOfNOD | correct |
| 21:47.47 | RodOfNOD | currently i have been unable toaltern sc2layout files |
| 21:47.56 | RodOfNOD | however there is a rumor this might be comingso |
| 21:48.11 | RodOfNOD | it was possible in wc3 so.... |
| 21:48.31 | nicoli_s | well you could edit the sc2layout i thought, but only through editing/replacing the main mpqs |
| 21:48.44 | RodOfNOD | correct |
| 21:48.50 | RodOfNOD | butthat wouldnteffect otherplayers |
| 21:48.55 | nicoli_s | yah |
| 21:48.57 | RodOfNOD | however the rumor is that this will be fixed |
| 21:50.05 | RodOfNOD | hey guys is this clear as to its purpose? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12240115/Capture1.JPG |
| 21:50.51 | wOlfLinG | Also, anyone know of any good texture packs? :) Fantasy based |
| 21:51.31 | nicoli_s | id say so |
| 21:52.13 | RodOfNOD | nicoli_s was that for me? |
| 21:52.26 | RodOfNOD | do u think it is helpful for new players if yes? |
| 21:52.33 | wOlfLinG | Yeah |
| 21:52.45 | wOlfLinG | How did you get the nice looking dialog btw? :) |
| 21:52.48 | RodOfNOD | i have 2 "tech" treesoneis a treeone is a list |
| 21:52.49 | RodOfNOD | lol |
| 21:52.53 | RodOfNOD | i made it havent u seen my shit? |
| 21:53.02 | wOlfLinG | Yeah :D |
| 21:53.17 | RodOfNOD | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12240115/Screenshot2010-11-29%2023_11_53.jpg |
| 21:53.31 | RodOfNOD | the cool thing is |
| 21:53.36 | RodOfNOD | its all moddable by the map maker |
| 21:53.43 | RodOfNOD | u want tomake ur own neutral based tech tree go for it |
| 21:53.50 | wOlfLinG | nice :D |
| 21:54.14 | wOlfLinG | Also, if i could be bothered, i would make an RPG Engine :/ |
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| 21:54.36 | wOlfLinG | Already have the quest log though. Thats the main part of it |
| 21:54.59 | RodOfNOD | hehe |
| 21:56.12 | wOlfLinG | So, who wants to hear about my map? :D |
| 21:56.17 | nicoli_s | thats really nice RodOfNOD |
| 21:56.54 | wOlfLinG | Well i'm gonna tell you anyway, cause i has a big ego it seems >:D |
| 21:58.17 | wOlfLinG | It's kinda DotA, but with differances. Firstly it's an 8 player FFA. And you can buy defences for you base etc. You also choose a 'specialisation' such as better minions, more items to buy, better buildings etc |
| 21:59.08 | DarkRevenant | hmm |
| 21:59.26 | wOlfLinG | Obviously it's not all set yet |
| 21:59.41 | RodOfNOD | ty nicoli_s |
| 21:59.42 | DarkRevenant | what's with those battleship-type maps where you have on real control over your targeting |
| 21:59.52 | DarkRevenant | its like wasted potential |
| 22:00.16 | DarkRevenant | take that battlecruiser battle map someone put up a video of |
| 22:00.20 | DarkRevenant | as an example |
| 22:00.36 | DarkRevenant | all you can really do is just slowly move by and watch your shit automatically slap someone else's shit |
| 22:01.24 | nicoli_s | sounds cool wOlfLinG |
| 22:02.07 | DarkRevenant | btw DotA as an FFA will be tough to balance |
| 22:02.15 | DarkRevenant | that can snowball pretty easily |
| 22:02.41 | DarkRevenant | how do you balance your victory incentives with defensive padding? |
| 22:04.28 | wOlfLinG | Well as i said, it's not set. It could easily become a 3v3 later on |
| 22:04.41 | wOlfLinG | But theres only 3 ways or so out the base |
| 22:04.54 | Dekar- | DarkRevenant, you may be interested in my map :P |
| 22:05.02 | wOlfLinG | Into the middle 'Battleground', where all 8 players minions clash |
| 22:05.10 | wOlfLinG | Or towards your nearest enemy |
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| 22:09.48 | PointBlank | anyone around? |
| 22:10.06 | wOlfLinG | :/ Is there something wrong with imported WoW models? |
| 22:10.18 | wOlfLinG | They look really wierd when imported |
| 22:10.28 | PointBlank | looked fine in the videos to me? |
| 22:10.44 | PointBlank | haven't tried it myself |
| 22:10.55 | wOlfLinG | I get jagged edges when importing them :/ |
| 22:11.01 | PointBlank | will eventually once i'm done my map -> will just fill it with models to the map size limit :P |
| 22:11.14 | wOlfLinG | And they look like they are missing pixels at certain points |
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| 22:11.42 | Dekar- | well |
| 22:11.47 | Dekar- | the wow model videos |
| 22:11.57 | Dekar- | all had overhauled wow maodels, no? |
| 22:12.12 | Dekar- | the blademaster and demonhunter at least |
| 22:12.58 | wOlfLinG | Hmm... Well when compared with a command centre, the WoW models look vastly inferior |
| 22:13.09 | PointBlank | they should be |
| 22:13.14 | PointBlank | MMO less poly? |
| 22:13.27 | wOlfLinG | yeah :/ |
| 22:13.42 | alestane | So, confused. I created a copy of Chrono Boost for a custom unit, and it refuses to target my duplicated custom structures. So, in fact, does the original Chrono Boost, if I throw a Nexus on the map. However, both these abilities are able to target a different modified building or even a completely unmodified building. I even tried removing the targeting filter from the ability entirely and still get "Can't target th |
| 22:13.42 | alestane | at unit." |
| 22:13.44 | alestane | Thoughts? |
| 22:15.51 | PointBlank | just clicked on it now, did u look into the validators timwarp filters/viable targets? |
| 22:16.08 | A1win | what does the "interruptible" flag in abilities do exactly? |
| 22:16.42 | PointBlank | i think the user can cancel stuff if interuptable ... ie if channeling and u click move it'll cancel the ability |
| 22:16.45 | alestane | Couldn't find a reference to a validator, but if there's one I missed, I should absolutely check that. Where did you find it? |
| 22:17.03 | PointBlank | effect: chrono |
| 22:17.24 | alestane | The apply behavior effect? |
| 22:17.31 | PointBlank | yup |
| 22:17.51 | alestane | I'll take another look, thanks. I was wondering if there was a validator, but didn't see one. |
| 22:17.54 | A1win | I have a trigger to order all zerglings in a group to burrow... but they sometimes fail at it |
| 22:17.58 | A1win | just wondering why :S |
| 22:18.16 | PointBlank | did u modify them at all? |
| 22:18.31 | A1win | just took requirements off |
| 22:18.47 | A1win | I'm giving them move orders in a trigger so I'm guessing that's part of the reason ;p |
| 22:18.50 | PointBlank | someone mentioned that there's an issue order bug where it just randomly decides not to work |
| 22:19.02 | A1win | mmh they probably don't have room to burrow and then it gets replaced by the move order... |
| 22:19.02 | PointBlank | but i haven't tested |
| 22:19.08 | A1win | mmh |
| 22:19.09 | PointBlank | very possible |
| 22:19.25 | A1win | it only seems to fail when the zerglings are grouped up near each other |
| 22:19.26 | PointBlank | try to make the ability uninterruptable |
| 22:19.32 | A1win | I did, didn't help |
| 22:19.36 | Curry|Away | you could put the orders in a queue |
| 22:19.42 | Curry|Away | did you try that? |
| 22:19.44 | PointBlank | add order to q |
| 22:19.45 | PointBlank | yeah |
| 22:19.53 | PointBlank | so they finish whatever they're doing then burrow |
| 22:19.56 | A1win | can't.. then the move orders would get queued like hell :x |
| 22:20.16 | PointBlank | why are they moving? |
| 22:20.27 | A1win | they're following my "hero" |
| 22:20.59 | alestane | Apparently the validator reference only shows up if you have advanced options turned on. |
| 22:21.17 | PointBlank | yeah don't ever turn adv off :P |
| 22:21.24 | PointBlank | if ur doing any real editing |
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| 22:21.44 | PointBlank | a1win what about the "wait until stopped" flag |
| 22:21.47 | doite | Hey |
| 22:22.06 | doite | Is there anyway to create a revealer on units |
| 22:22.10 | doite | if i spawn 100 units |
| 22:22.20 | doite | i want revelers on each and every of them |
| 22:22.23 | PointBlank | trigger - share unit vision |
| 22:22.32 | doite | yea i gueesd |
| 22:22.41 | A1win | oh |
| 22:23.11 | doite | oooh |
| 22:23.16 | alestane | Looks like the validator is indeed at fault...it has an explicit list of "It has to be on this list to work." |
| 22:23.16 | doite | theres actually a trigger |
| 22:23.17 | doite | i se |
| 22:23.18 | doite | thanks |
| 22:23.35 | PointBlank | :) |
| 22:24.02 | DarkRevenant | hmm |
| 22:24.15 | DarkRevenant | the data editor |
| 22:24.21 | DarkRevenant | really, REALLY needed a gui pathfinder |
| 22:24.40 | PointBlank | ? |
| 22:24.49 | doite | http://paste.sc2mapster.com/2956/ |
| 22:24.52 | A1win | PointBlank, yeah I think that was it |
| 22:24.52 | doite | that wont work though |
| 22:24.57 | doite | since theres many units |
| 22:25.11 | doite | last created unit will only be 1 from each integer region |
| 22:25.17 | Curry|Away | so |
| 22:25.29 | Curry|Away | how many units are you creating in each region? |
| 22:26.01 | doite | hmm about 100 |
| 22:26.01 | doite | in total |
| 22:26.01 | doite | 20 each |
| 22:26.04 | Curry|Away | so, do a "repeat actions 20" |
| 22:26.09 | PointBlank | doite: pick each from unit group last created units |
| 22:26.11 | Curry|Away | and make the create unit only create 1 at a time |
| 22:26.13 | doite | yea |
| 22:26.14 | doite | thanks |
| 22:26.16 | Curry|Away | or that ;) |
| 22:26.19 | Curry|Away | either one works. |
| 22:26.38 | PointBlank | np |
| 22:26.58 | DarkRevenant | what i mean is |
| 22:27.06 | DarkRevenant | the data editor should be laid out graphically |
| 22:27.14 | DarkRevenant | like a method display |
| 22:27.25 | DarkRevenant | not a big table of trap |
| 22:27.29 | DarkRevenant | carp* |
| 22:27.31 | DarkRevenant | crap** |
| 22:27.46 | PointBlank | lol |
| 22:27.58 | PointBlank | i just wish it translated between written code and GUI better for triggers |
| 22:28.50 | PointBlank | ... and did more, cuz seriously every few things i try to do i always run into something impossible or i have to compromise on :( |
| 22:29.34 | doite | actually |
| 22:29.34 | doite | http://paste.sc2mapster.com/2957/ |
| 22:29.38 | doite | shouldnt that work? |
| 22:29.50 | doite | since it looks it and its picked unit"S" |
| 22:29.56 | doite | or.. |
| 22:30.01 | doite | last created unitS |
| 22:30.19 | doite | so loop one, does it, then loop 2, does it.. and so on? |
| 22:30.24 | doite | Or am i wrong? |
| 22:31.22 | PointBlank | ... yeah what's the problem? |
| 22:33.03 | doite | aha |
| 22:33.03 | doite | ofc |
| 22:33.04 | doite | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:33.59 | A1win | should be fine with "last created untis" too if you're talking about the same trigger |
| 22:34.01 | PointBlank | that's work too, last created units should be more efficient |
| 22:34.18 | doite | really? |
| 22:34.19 | doite | oh |
| 22:34.35 | A1win | but what's the problem? |
| 22:34.39 | A1win | they don't get shared vision? |
| 22:34.50 | doite | u sure it doesnt loop though 1-6 first and spawns then just picks the last unit group created? |
| 22:34.59 | doite | well, maybe, havent got so far |
| 22:35.03 | A1win | doite, yeah I'm sure :P |
| 22:35.09 | A1win | everything inside the loop is executed once per loop |
| 22:35.19 | doite | my map raises with 200 more played games per hour every hour =( |
| 22:35.20 | A1win | err, it doesn't loop from 1 to 6 |
| 22:35.23 | A1win | it loops from 0 to 6 |
| 22:35.25 | doite | It get to fast popular |
| 22:35.31 | doite | thats what i ment |
| 22:35.35 | A1win | kk :P |
| 22:36.02 | doite | so u mean it does first 0, the hole action thing til end (and gives share vision, THEN nr 1 and so on? |
| 22:36.15 | A1win | yep |
| 22:36.20 | doite | thanks man |
| 22:36.27 | doite | thats very good to know |
| 22:36.36 | A1win | that's what loops do ;p |
| 22:37.05 | A1win | if you want it to do something after the whole loop thing, you just put it outside the loop |
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| 22:39.16 | doite | I know =) |
| 22:39.26 | doite | Some stuff i know =) |
| 22:39.43 | doite | One thing i dont know is how to make the text in a dialog label bigger :( |
| 22:39.58 | Acemore | set dialog item style |
| 22:40.01 | Acemore | to |
| 22:40.20 | Acemore | ModLeftSize20 |
| 22:40.21 | Acemore | for instance |
| 22:40.24 | Acemore | or |
| 22:40.30 | Acemore | ModLeftSize28Bold |
| 22:40.37 | doite | Ahh |
| 22:40.40 | doite | Ill try it out |
| 22:40.41 | doite | thanks |
| 22:41.18 | A1win | CantinaTrophyTitle is a nice font |
| 22:41.50 | A1win | and then the LeaderboardLabelTitle or something like that for a smaller font |
| 22:44.06 | doite | .. |
| 22:44.12 | doite | what i have to write it myself? |
| 22:44.23 | doite | instead of Dialog - Set (Last created dialog item) style to "ObjectiveTitleDisplay" for (All players) |
| 22:44.30 | doite | the objectivetital display |
| 22:46.56 | A1win | the text edit boxes have style controls |
| 22:47.28 | doite | ? |
| 22:47.49 | A1win | so you can just select text and click "apply style" and it'll put the tags around it automatically |
| 22:49.12 | doite | where do u find this? |
| 22:49.20 | doite | i dont have any text edit boxes |
| 22:50.48 | A1win | set dialog item text |
| 22:52.11 | A1win | cool, now my rage generation takes haste into account so that when you hit faster, you generate less rage per hit... so the rage over time remains same when attacking... makes haste a bit less imba |
| 22:52.29 | Bibendus|AFK | ffffffffuck |
| 22:52.29 | Bibendus | is no longer away : Gone for 3 hours 30 minutes 47 seconds |
| 22:52.39 | Bibendus | stupid sharkoon headsets |
| 22:54.05 | doite | OK a1win |
| 22:54.06 | doite | i get it |
| 22:54.07 | Bibendus | why the fuck |
| 22:54.12 | doite | but i mean how to make bigger |
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| 22:54.13 | Bibendus | the left ear cuff |
| 22:54.17 | PointBlank | hmmm |
| 22:54.18 | Bibendus | is louder then the right one :| |
| 22:54.19 | doite | and that was style |
| 22:54.22 | PointBlank | so disable weapon doesn't work |
| 22:54.27 | PointBlank | in the data editor |
| 22:54.33 | doite | do i have to write it myself? |
| 22:54.34 | A1win | doite, the different text styles make the text look different.. some are bigger, some smaller |
| 22:54.42 | doite | Oh |
| 22:54.47 | doite | I choose the one u liked |
| 22:54.48 | Vail|homeWork | what disable weapon dosent work? |
| 22:54.49 | doite | Ill try it |
| 22:55.01 | A1win | doite, you need to apply it to the text itself |
| 22:55.16 | A1win | so it looks like <s val="CantinaTrophyTitle">your text here</s> |
| 22:55.20 | doite | yea |
| 22:55.24 | A1win | kk |
| 22:55.24 | doite | but i have no text |
| 22:55.26 | doite | its the timer |
| 22:55.35 | A1win | well timer is text too ;p |
| 22:55.42 | doite | Yea |
| 22:55.50 | doite | But i dont have to have it in the updater right? |
| 22:55.51 | A1win | you need to put the timer text between those |
| 22:55.56 | A1win | you do ;p |
| 22:56.00 | doite | Sigh |
| 22:56.01 | doite | K thx |
| 22:56.03 | A1win | it sets the whole text |
| 22:56.13 | A1win | and the style tags are part of it |
| 22:56.32 | A1win | I suppose you can use the "set dialog item text style" too |
| 22:56.44 | A1win | so first set text in the updater, and then after that use the set style |
| 22:57.14 | Vail|homeWork | PointBlank how are you trying to disable a weapon? |
| 22:57.26 | PointBlank | data; Weapon - Options |
| 22:58.37 | PointBlank | via catalog |
| 22:58.42 | Vail|homeWork | ah |
| 22:59.14 | PointBlank | can hide it via catalog |
| 22:59.19 | PointBlank | but disable doesn't seem to happen |
| 22:59.32 | Vail|homeWork | hm |
| 22:59.57 | PointBlank | s'ok can just use catalog to make target filters exclude everything :D |
| 23:00.10 | PointBlank | still annoying tho |
| 23:04.07 | Vail|homeWork | i know i used to know because iremember asking before but what is the catalog? |
| 23:05.25 | PointBlank | way to modify data via triggers runtime |
| 23:07.52 | Vail|homeWork | ah |
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| 23:12.29 | DarkRevenant | anyone interested in filling the artist position |
| 23:12.33 | DarkRevenant | on my small team |
| 23:13.03 | DarkRevenant | albeit "small" team in this case means "big" project |
| 23:13.36 | DarkRevenant | I rarely need help in the making of my map, and I have rather large maps |
| 23:13.41 | DarkRevenant | so that should be an indicator |
| 23:14.01 | DarkRevenant | paid position if the map goes premium, btw |
| 23:14.05 | DarkRevenant | you can earn a good % |
| 23:14.26 | RodOfNOD | how u gonna make money? |
| 23:14.36 | DarkRevenant | map marketplace |
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| 23:14.44 | DarkRevenant | obviously i'd start with a free version |
| 23:14.46 | RodOfNOD | when will that become a reality |
| 23:14.48 | DarkRevenant | but I have some ideas for a premium |
| 23:14.57 | DarkRevenant | sometime mid-late 2011 |
| 23:15.05 | DarkRevenant | probably when X2 comes out, though |
| 23:15.08 | RodOfNOD | maybe :P |
| 23:15.10 | DarkRevenant | so more like late 2011 |
| 23:15.14 | RodOfNOD | what is x2? |
| 23:15.19 | DarkRevenant | heart of swarm |
| 23:15.20 | nevjmac | expansion 2 |
| 23:15.36 | DarkRevenant | x1 just sounds weird so i start at 2 |
| 23:15.48 | DarkRevenant | x in this case denotes the numerical episode of the game |
| 23:15.53 | DarkRevenant | so x3 is the 2nd expansion |
| 23:16.18 | DarkRevenant | anyway i've got some very involved and difficult ideas planned for the premium version |
| 23:16.26 | DarkRevenant | that would make it worthy of the premium name |
| 23:16.33 | DarkRevenant | but the backbone needs to be free for obvious reasons |
| 23:16.45 | DarkRevenant | even though it is about as involved and difficult as a map can get already |
| 23:16.56 | DarkRevenant | tbh based on what i've done so far |
| 23:17.05 | DarkRevenant | i'm skeptical if the 2MB limit can even be reasonably reached |
| 23:17.15 | DarkRevenant | people reaching it have simply done extremely wanton and stupid things |
| 23:17.21 | DarkRevenant | with their code |
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| 23:17.37 | RodOfNOD | by 2mb what exactly is that limiting |
| 23:17.42 | RodOfNOD | the amount of code or variables or what? |
| 23:17.42 | DarkRevenant | stack size |
| 23:17.48 | DarkRevenant | i mean, i have a shitton of variables |
| 23:17.54 | DarkRevenant | but i keep the array size at the absolute minimum |
| 23:17.58 | RodOfNOD | from what i have been told the tablehas nothing to do with stack size is that ur understanding? |
| 23:18.07 | DarkRevenant | and if i needed, i could halve the variable size by halving the projectile limit |
| 23:18.25 | DarkRevenant | well |
| 23:18.26 | doite | I CANT GET THE FUCKIN TEXT INSIDE THE DIALOG! |
| 23:18.32 | RodOfNOD | hehe |
| 23:18.32 | DarkRevenant | all variables and the entire script |
| 23:18.35 | DarkRevenant | goes into that 2MB limit |
| 23:18.36 | RodOfNOD | its magical doite :P |
| 23:18.43 | DarkRevenant | but it's difficult to gauge exactly how large the stack is |
| 23:18.47 | doite | no but i dont even se it |
| 23:18.50 | doite | it pisses me off |
| 23:18.51 | RodOfNOD | well if it includes strings i bet icould reach that limit :P |
| 23:18.52 | DarkRevenant | code isn't executed all at the same time, you know |
| 23:19.03 | RodOfNOD | pastebin.com doite |
| 23:19.15 | DarkRevenant | my script is uncompressed nearly 8MB |
| 23:19.29 | DarkRevenant | since I by necessity do all things in script and not in data |
| 23:19.39 | doite | http://paste.sc2mapster.com/2959/ |
| 23:19.40 | doite | TES |
| 23:19.42 | doite | and i know |
| 23:19.48 | doite | I have + alot in offset now |
| 23:19.55 | doite | but ive tried everything |
| 23:19.57 | DarkRevenant | i even put all the projectile properties in functions called like classes or something |
| 23:20.04 | DarkRevenant | cant even put them in records because they vary based on input |
| 23:20.21 | RodOfNOD | for a wc3 project i hadlike 20k lines of jass code :> |
| 23:20.39 | DarkRevenant | to put it into perspective |
| 23:20.46 | Kueken | thanks to data I have only 6k lines of code until now :D |
| 23:20.46 | DarkRevenant | i reached the function size limit THRICE |
| 23:20.51 | DarkRevenant | on my main projectile loop |
| 23:20.56 | DarkRevenant | handing all movement and collision and responses |
| 23:21.01 | DarkRevenant | so now i have like |
| 23:21.03 | DarkRevenant | 3 parts |
| 23:21.09 | DarkRevenant | nonthreaded as to avoid instant errors |
| 23:21.43 | DarkRevenant | surprisingly it seems that the lag in the map isn't from how many projectiles are moving at the same time |
| 23:21.50 | DarkRevenant | but rather how many are created each second |
| 23:22.26 | DarkRevenant | seriously I don't get why some weapons that put a lot of projectiles into the air over time (long range, slow speed) doesn't lag in the slightest |
| 23:22.35 | DarkRevenant | but a weapon with extremely fast projectiles spawning very rapidly |
| 23:22.40 | DarkRevenant | which is actually easier on the computer |
| 23:22.42 | DarkRevenant | lags like a faggot |
| 23:22.51 | DarkRevenant | in multiplayer |
| 23:23.01 | RodOfNOD | what is a "faggot" ? |
| 23:23.10 | DarkRevenant | derogatory term relating to justin bieber |
| 23:23.18 | doite | RodOfNOD |
| 23:23.18 | Kueken | :D |
| 23:23.19 | doite | do u know? |
| 23:23.21 | RodOfNOD | among other things |
| 23:23.22 | doite | http://paste.sc2mapster.com/2959/ |
| 23:23.22 | Kueken | that puts it |
| 23:23.38 | RodOfNOD | bottom line is please dont use that word inthis channel no need to start a war |
| 23:23.46 | RodOfNOD | sorry doite let melooksie |
| 23:23.51 | Kueken | ye |
| 23:23.57 | DarkRevenant | war between justin bieber fanatics and decent people? |
| 23:24.00 | DarkRevenant | that war needs to happen imho |
| 23:24.04 | Kueken | whoever says the j.b. word again gets shot |
| 23:24.13 | RodOfNOD | agreed but im talking about that word not justin bieber |
| 23:24.17 | Kueken | shoots darkrevenant |
| 23:24.18 | Bibendus|AFK | is now away - Reason : Auto-Away after 30 minutes |
| 23:24.25 | RodOfNOD | although bieber is the 2nd coming of satan |
| 23:24.26 | Kueken | he said it |
| 23:24.26 | Kueken | ! |
| 23:24.42 | Kueken | half-shots rodofnot |
| 23:24.48 | DarkRevenant | so you |
| 23:24.48 | Kueken | almost |
| 23:24.54 | DarkRevenant | only loaded one barrel of the shotgun? |
| 23:25.04 | DarkRevenant | i think he's still screwed |
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| 23:25.09 | Kueken | :D |
| 23:25.16 | RodOfNOD | k doite i dont see any text to show? |
| 23:25.33 | DarkRevenant | hmm |
| 23:25.36 | DarkRevenant | i need to find a way to |
| 23:25.39 | doite | well thats becouse its in a upgrade trigger |
| 23:25.40 | DarkRevenant | thread projectile movement |
| 23:25.44 | DarkRevenant | i mean |
| 23:25.50 | DarkRevenant | this stuff shouldn't even be sent over the internet |
| 23:26.02 | DarkRevenant | i mean |
| 23:26.08 | DarkRevenant | i can understand syncing all the globals, sure |
| 23:26.16 | DarkRevenant | but it's like every CALCULATION is synced |
| 23:26.17 | RodOfNOD | what is this doite ? Dialog timer buttom |
| 23:26.17 | doite | http://paste.sc2mapster.com/2960/ |
| 23:26.18 | doite | There |
| 23:26.18 | DarkRevenant | even the locals |
| 23:26.27 | DarkRevenant | intermediate calculations like |
| 23:26.28 | doite | No the buttom is nothing |
| 23:26.31 | doite | Just as background |
| 23:26.34 | doite | U cant click it |
| 23:26.41 | DarkRevenant | all my trigonometry and vector algebra |
| 23:26.57 | DarkRevenant | okay serious question: |
| 23:27.02 | DarkRevenant | If you "host" a private game |
| 23:27.07 | DarkRevenant | is it still hosted on the bnet servers? |
| 23:27.10 | DarkRevenant | Or is it truly a local host |
| 23:27.27 | RodOfNOD | i was trying to be funny doite since u spelled it wrong |
| 23:27.41 | doite | i didnt laugh, but i am now=) |
| 23:27.53 | DarkRevenant | you are laugh? |
| 23:27.54 | RodOfNOD | well first off |
| 23:28.04 | RodOfNOD | uare going over the top of the label with the 2nd assignement |
| 23:28.16 | DarkRevenant | localhosting is a fallback |
| 23:28.16 | RodOfNOD | Set Dialog timer label text to |
| 23:28.21 | DarkRevenant | but |
| 23:28.36 | DarkRevenant | derp does anyone know if private games are still hosted by blizzgods? |
| 23:29.36 | RodOfNOD | doite - (-150, 100) it might be off the screen? |
| 23:29.48 | doite | well it worked last time |
| 23:29.51 | doite | Dont know why |
| 23:29.56 | doite | And now i added combined text |
| 23:30.00 | doite | Fucked it all up |
| 23:30.07 | DarkRevenant | anchor coordinates are disorienting as shit, btw |
| 23:30.28 | DarkRevenant | if your anchor is bottom right, (-150,100) is actually to the RIGHT and up |
| 23:31.57 | *** join/#sc2mapster Vesuvius (437d167f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.125.22.127) |
| 23:32.29 | Vesuvius | how do i get to this channel under a normal irc client instead of this web client? |
| 23:33.24 | wOlfLinG | Download Smuxi/ mIRC or something :) |
| 23:33.35 | wOlfLinG | Also, any EU peeps wanna play Star Battle? :D |
| 23:33.44 | Vesuvius | i have a client for it, but i don't know which server this channel is on |
| 23:34.12 | Vesuvius | err i guess network |
| 23:34.16 | Vesuvius | it's been a while since i used irc |
| 23:34.48 | wOlfLinG | Freenode |
| 23:35.04 | *** join/#sc2mapster Alrik (5488be81@gateway/web/freenode/ip.84.136.190.129) |
| 23:35.06 | wOlfLinG | So, join freenode and get it to /join #SC2Mapster :D |
| 23:35.08 | doite | RodOfNOD do u know? |
| 23:35.21 | RodOfNOD | u didnt add combined text |
| 23:35.25 | RodOfNOD | u added 2 linesin a row |
| 23:35.29 | RodOfNOD | the 2nd will replace the first |
| 23:35.45 | doite | where!? |
| 23:35.51 | Alrik | hey guys |
| 23:35.59 | RodOfNOD | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:35.59 | RodOfNOD | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:36.06 | doite | Thats 2 |
| 23:36.10 | RodOfNOD | u will only see Amount of kills |
| 23:36.11 | doite | combined text |
| 23:36.14 | doite | Why? |
| 23:36.25 | RodOfNOD | because u are replacing over the same dialog item label text |
| 23:36.37 | doite | Oh.. |
| 23:36.39 | doite | I se now |
| 23:36.46 | doite | Dialog timer label |
| 23:36.47 | doite | Text |
| 23:37.11 | Catalisk | has anyone had issues with units not stopping correctly before casting an ability? |
| 23:37.17 | RodOfNOD | u will need 2 labels |
| 23:37.18 | doite | embarrasing |
| 23:37.20 | doite | Explaines alot |
| 23:37.21 | RodOfNOD | to pull off what u want |
| 23:37.21 | doite | Done |
| 23:37.23 | Catalisk | like they'll overshoot the target |
| 23:37.33 | doite | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:38.08 | Dekar- | ~faggot |
| 23:38.08 | purl | faggot is, like, not a nice word to use |
| 23:38.15 | Dekar- | okay! |
| 23:38.26 | Dekar- | ~<3 |
| 23:38.26 | purl | I love you. <3 |
| 23:38.30 | Dekar- | <3 |
| 23:38.33 | Bounty | ~rodrigo |
| 23:38.33 | purl | rumour has it, rodrigo is not a troll :( |
| 23:38.48 | RodOfNOD | lol |
| 23:38.48 | Bounty | ~bounty |
| 23:38.55 | Rodrigo | o.O |
| 23:38.56 | Bounty | Gay |
| 23:39.00 | eggy | ~? |
| 23:39.25 | Bounty | ~Obama |
| 23:39.25 | purl | well, obama is a communist |
| 23:40.00 | Rodrigo | is studying. Don't bother him. |
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| 23:42.16 | Alrik | gettin tired |
| 23:42.39 | Alrik | it is 00:42 in germany T_T |
| 23:42.44 | A1win | umm... is it possible to pause the game with triggers? |
| 23:43.20 | A1win | err... then I wouldn't be able to unpause it since triggers are paused too :P |
| 23:43.41 | Alrik | I hate the tile limit of 8, it cannot be increased right? |
| 23:44.28 | A1win | ground decal doodads? ;I |
| 23:47.54 | *** join/#sc2mapster onetwo (ae070b69@gateway/web/freenode/ip.174.7.11.105) |
| 23:47.54 | *** mode/#sc2mapster [+v onetwo] by ChanServ |
| 23:47.56 | RodOfNOD | u could force all players units to pause A1win |
| 23:48.15 | A1win | mm... maybe I'll do that |
| 23:48.24 | A1win | but not sure if I need it anyway |
| 23:48.45 | A1win | I already did that for one map =p so I could play cutscenes while everything else was paused |
| 23:48.45 | onetwo | hey the person doing friday night sc2mapster map night |
| 23:48.46 | onetwo | QueenGambit.227 (NA) |
| 23:48.48 | onetwo | who is that on iRC |
| 23:49.54 | RodOfNOD | idk any queens except for Kerrigan and Freedy Mercury lol |
| 23:51.18 | onetwo | lol |
| 23:51.30 | onetwo | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/general/general-chat/15307-sc2mapster-map-night/#posts |
| 23:51.31 | onetwo | that guy |
| 23:55.38 | RodOfNOD | nope dont know him |
| 23:58.12 | onetwo | im going to be gay and suggest my map |
| 23:58.15 | onetwo | since he hasnt chosen anything |
| 23:58.18 | onetwo | lol |
| 23:58.28 | Bounty | How do you get ads on the bottom of your youtube videos? lol |
| 23:58.29 | onetwo | my map has proven party success though, in war 3 days |
| 23:58.31 | Catalisk | does anyone know how to make it so that when you queue an ability after the move command, the unit comes to a complete stop before casting the ability? |
| 23:58.34 | onetwo | partnership |
| 23:58.35 | onetwo | thats how |
| 23:58.38 | Bounty | Cant be |
| 23:58.41 | Bounty | This dude that has one video |
| 23:58.45 | Bounty | and the one video has 200 views |
| 23:58.46 | onetwo | youd be surprised |
| 23:58.48 | Bounty | has an ad |
| 23:58.53 | Bounty | on his one video lol |
| 23:58.54 | onetwo | theres partnership and per-video-partnership |
| 23:58.54 | RodOfNOD | onetwo does this make sense to u? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12240115/zergtl.JPG do uthink its good for newbs? |
| 23:59.05 | onetwo | 2 of my vids have per-vid partnership |
| 23:59.07 | Catalisk | it's seriously annoying, my ability used to behave that way, but it changed in one of the patches |
| 23:59.08 | onetwo | youtube randomly sends you request |
| 23:59.11 | onetwo | and then MAY approve it |
| 23:59.18 | Bounty | can you submit a video yourself? |
| 23:59.18 | onetwo | so he might have gotten randomly lucky |
| 23:59.20 | onetwo | no |
| 23:59.25 | Bounty | fuckign a |
| 23:59.26 | onetwo | ive got chosen adn then rejected |
| 23:59.29 | onetwo | and then chosen and approved |
| 23:59.34 | Bounty | have u made money from it? |
| 23:59.37 | onetwo | and my FULL account partnership has been in 'review' for 3+ months |
| 23:59.40 | RodOfNOD | hes RICK |
| 23:59.44 | onetwo | about 70$ since august |
| 23:59.44 | RodOfNOD | RICH |
| 23:59.47 | onetwo | but i dont get paid till 100 |
| 23:59.49 | RodOfNOD | RICH DAMMIT |
| 23:59.51 | onetwo | pretty little |
| 23:59.54 | Bounty | how many views |
| 23:59.59 | onetwo | 35k+20k |
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