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| 00:29.32 | PointBlank | A1win u still there? |
| 00:29.41 | A1win | yeah |
| 00:30.01 | PointBlank | so i have 3 stacked abilities ... but to test i spread them out on the command card so i can see them all at once |
| 00:30.15 | PointBlank | turns out when i hide/show each of them |
| 00:30.26 | PointBlank | 1 never hides, 1 never shows, and 1 toggles nicely |
| 00:30.29 | PointBlank | lol |
| 00:30.31 | A1win | :x |
| 00:30.51 | PointBlank | so wtf is up with that :P |
| 00:31.05 | A1win | dunno, maybe something with their requirements? |
| 00:31.13 | PointBlank | none have any req |
| 00:31.15 | A1win | available/restricted/disabled? |
| 00:31.20 | PointBlank | all set to avil |
| 00:31.22 | A1win | mmh |
| 00:31.31 | A1win | no idea :S |
| 00:31.49 | A1win | are the buttons linked properly to abilities? |
| 00:32.21 | PointBlank | well yeah they all work and run abilities as they should |
| 00:32.46 | A1win | are they linked to some other abilities? |
| 00:33.18 | PointBlank | linked in what way? |
| 00:33.23 | A1win | like the marauder stimpack and marine stimpack are linked... dunno how that works though |
| 00:33.44 | A1win | and all zerg unit burrow abilities are linked to one |
| 00:33.54 | A1win | even though they're separate abilities |
| 00:34.22 | PointBlank | that's related via actor event |
| 00:34.36 | A1win | mh |
| 00:34.46 | PointBlank | which mine happen to also be but doubt that matters |
| 00:34.53 | PointBlank | cuz it's just when stuff happens |
| 00:34.59 | PointBlank | nothing to do with button/ability enable/disable |
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| 00:59.26 | PointBlank | ok |
| 00:59.34 | PointBlank | i'm pretty much fed up with this |
| 00:59.39 | PointBlank | anyone around to complain to |
| 00:59.41 | PointBlank | :D |
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| 01:30.32 | Vail|Here | i am here |
| 01:30.41 | Vail|Here | now anyway |
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| 01:34.03 | Vail|Here | i am thinking of making a hero unit template and just duplicating it varying the stats |
| 01:35.10 | nevjmac | my hero has a problem |
| 01:35.14 | nevjmac | after learning his first ability |
| 01:35.20 | nevjmac | all other abilities go grey on the next level |
| 01:35.47 | BorgDragon | nevjmac~ |
| 01:35.56 | nevjmac | hai borg :P |
| 01:35.59 | BorgDragon | I won't be doing WDE this week :S |
| 01:36.14 | nevjmac | damn and I thought you had an answer to my problem |
| 01:36.16 | nevjmac | but no worries :) |
| 01:36.23 | BorgDragon | I got extremely sick and whatnot, bascially lay in bed for 4 days |
| 01:36.28 | two13 | anyone know of a good capture the flag tutorial? |
| 01:36.39 | BorgDragon | and I've got some work to do on another map |
| 01:36.49 | nevjmac | nah thats cool :) I don't expect everyone to do the WDE every week |
| 01:37.00 | nevjmac | I can't beleive its friday again tomorrow >.< |
| 01:37.17 | Vail|Here | thusrday for me |
| 01:37.20 | BorgDragon | well I really wanted to and basically I decided it's not worth the little time left to make something up real fast |
| 01:37.43 | nevjmac | you can always do it later and post back :P |
| 01:38.33 | BorgDragon | maybe :P |
| 01:38.43 | BorgDragon | I like the challenges you posted |
| 01:39.04 | nevjmac | yea I'm going to continue the challenges :) |
| 01:39.07 | BorgDragon | should be a WDE then a challenge or 2 later on during the week for all WDE |
| 01:39.16 | nevjmac | thats what I'm doing |
| 01:39.17 | nevjmac | lol |
| 01:39.53 | BorgDragon | it was a great idea, read through the thread and like the submissions |
| 01:40.04 | nevjmac | ty :) |
| 01:40.15 | Vail|Here | WDEa/ |
| 01:40.17 | Vail|Here | ? |
| 01:40.22 | BorgDragon | Weekly Data Exercise |
| 01:40.26 | Vail|Here | ah |
| 01:40.29 | nevjmac | the thing I run in the data forums |
| 01:40.38 | nevjmac | so back to my original problem |
| 01:40.44 | nevjmac | anyone know why my abilities grey out after the first level |
| 01:40.52 | BorgDragon | the answer is 232-34 Purple 13.24.21!! |
| 01:41.07 | BorgDragon | I hope that solved your problem |
| 01:41.17 | Vail|Here | in the learn ability how many charges do they have? |
| 01:41.32 | nevjmac | what value of charges? |
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| 01:42.39 | Vail|Here | ability charge count max |
| 01:42.55 | nevjmac | what should it be set too ? :P |
| 01:43.24 | Vail|Here | the max number of levels you want the ability to have |
| 01:43.34 | nevjmac | well the ability is going to have 7 levels so 7 |
| 01:43.38 | Vail|Here | yes |
| 01:43.45 | nevjmac | ok? |
| 01:44.12 | Vail|Here | ok |
| 01:48.45 | nevjmac | so your not sure vail? |
| 01:52.37 | nevjmac | never mind fixed it |
| 01:52.39 | nevjmac | I think |
| 01:52.40 | nevjmac | :) |
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| 02:16.40 | nevjmac | Need a set to apply more than 1 behaviour simultaneously yea? |
| 02:20.10 | Vail|Here | i think so |
| 02:20.38 | nevjmac | zzzzz need to make 14 more effects and 7 behaviours for one ability |
| 02:20.40 | nevjmac | >.< |
| 02:21.07 | Vail|Here | hm |
| 02:21.16 | nevjmac | all good :) |
| 02:25.07 | nevjmac | just polsihing abilities |
| 02:25.12 | nevjmac | all the ones that have set times I want timers on them |
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| 02:37.33 | Dogmai | good morning all |
| 02:37.38 | Vail|Here | hey |
| 02:38.12 | Dogmai | I am too tired =\ |
| 02:38.35 | nevjmac | I'm using an animation of the terran anti fire supressent bots |
| 02:38.40 | nevjmac | but they stop half way through my ability |
| 02:38.46 | nevjmac | how would I get them to continue for the full time |
| 02:39.21 | Vail|Here | no idea personally |
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| 02:40.31 | nevjmac | actor set animation duration? |
| 02:42.07 | nevjmac | hmmm I'll look at the original actors |
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| 03:09.13 | nevjmac | If I have an ability with say 7 effects underneath it all linked up correctly, If I then go the the ability and duplicate all the effects under the ability will that link them all again correctly |
| 03:11.15 | Vail|Here | i dont know |
| 03:11.34 | nevjmac | it would save me a LOT of time linking them all back up again |
| 03:11.46 | nevjmac | if it does work, if it doesn't it could be a headache lol |
| 03:12.01 | Vail|Here | indeed |
| 03:12.33 | nevjmac | well if you duplicate any ability with everything underneath it, everything is linked together normally isn't it? |
| 03:12.50 | Vail|Here | i dont really recall |
| 03:12.52 | Vail|Here | sorry |
| 03:13.49 | nevjmac | well here goes nothing >.< lets find out |
| 03:13.54 | Vail|Here | yes |
| 03:26.46 | nevjmac | well apart from actors being set up |
| 03:26.49 | nevjmac | looks like it works :) |
| 03:27.02 | nevjmac | saves me a year of putting it together myself |
| 03:27.12 | nevjmac | I might be able to duplicate it 7 times before an hours up XD |
| 03:36.24 | Vail|Here | heh |
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| 04:01.16 | devilesk | hi |
| 04:02.00 | Vail|Here | hello |
| 04:12.22 | Vail|Here | anybody know what the Lost bonus feild does? |
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| 04:41.26 | two13 | hrmm.. so i have a trigger that attaches a unit to another unit, but once it does that the unit is only selectable if i directly click on it, but not if I highlight it... and also it shows the health bars for both units. Any simple way to fix this? |
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| 05:29.11 | Vail|Here | later every one |
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| 05:59.30 | allenmelon | whats sc2pheonix? |
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| 06:48.05 | PointBlank | yo anyone around? |
| 06:48.12 | nevjmac | maybe |
| 06:48.49 | PointBlank | u editor skilled mr maybe? |
| 06:49.01 | nevjmac | possibly depending on what you need ;P |
| 06:49.55 | nevjmac | I havn't got long though so you need to be quick |
| 06:50.10 | PointBlank | i've got a trigger/data problem where if i hide/show abilities sometimes it works sometimes not |
| 06:50.22 | PointBlank | via trigger show/hide |
| 06:50.34 | PointBlank | does the type of ability or a flag matter? |
| 06:50.40 | PointBlank | or could this be a bug |
| 06:50.51 | PointBlank | yay for 1 hand typing this apple is tasty |
| 06:51.06 | nevjmac | your wanting to hide an ability? |
| 06:51.16 | PointBlank | on command via trigger |
| 06:51.23 | PointBlank | i have a bunch of custom abilities i made |
| 06:51.23 | nevjmac | hmmm and what flags are you referring to |
| 06:51.25 | PointBlank | they're stacked |
| 06:51.30 | PointBlank | on the same command card slot |
| 06:51.37 | PointBlank | so to test i spread them out to look at them |
| 06:51.52 | PointBlank | when i hide them all |
| 06:51.54 | PointBlank | it works fine |
| 06:51.57 | PointBlank | via trigger: hide |
| 06:52.02 | PointBlank | but then if i show them |
| 06:52.04 | PointBlank | and hide again |
| 06:52.12 | PointBlank | or hide/show different combinations |
| 06:52.18 | PointBlank | it starts breaking and some won't hide |
| 06:52.30 | PointBlank | could this be an editor bug and i should make a map to try and isolate the problem? |
| 06:52.49 | nevjmac | that sounds a lot like the order units bug |
| 06:52.53 | nevjmac | order unit ability bug |
| 06:53.00 | PointBlank | which bug is that |
| 06:53.12 | nevjmac | someone was ordering supply depots to lower in different combinations |
| 06:53.16 | nevjmac | and some of them wern't obeying ;P |
| 06:53.30 | nevjmac | hang on let me find the thread again |
| 06:53.35 | PointBlank | ko |
| 06:53.47 | nevjmac | I beleive its a bug with the command cards, they seem to be a little tempermental |
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| 06:56.15 | PointBlank | so what do u think i should do |
| 06:56.23 | PointBlank | use requirements instead of trigger hide/show? |
| 06:56.32 | nevjmac | what are you hiding them for? |
| 06:57.21 | PointBlank | they're casted in order essentially, 3 abilities: world event hides/shows them & enables/disables |
| 06:57.35 | PointBlank | then the first one when used hides so the one below it can be used |
| 06:57.47 | PointBlank | which when used will show the 3rd one |
| 06:57.53 | PointBlank | which when used shows the first one again |
| 06:58.30 | nevjmac | depending on what your abilities are doing I"m not sure that is achievavle with requirements |
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| 06:58.38 | nevjmac | I have not extensivly used requirements yet though |
| 06:59.03 | nevjmac | are you currently using one massive trigger to show hide them atm |
| 06:59.13 | PointBlank | that's why i avoided in the first place ... what i'd do with req tho is count behaviour and make a different behaviour for each of the 4 "stages" if you will and then just add behaviour to my guy |
| 06:59.26 | PointBlank | it's a standalone function action |
| 06:59.35 | nevjmac | that could work |
| 06:59.40 | PointBlank | this was when i first ran into the breakage |
| 06:59.46 | PointBlank | was moving everything into this action |
| 07:00.00 | PointBlank | what i do is call the action and be like switchtostage(1) |
| 07:00.03 | nevjmac | hmmmm its one of those things you really need to see what your trying to achieve |
| 07:00.12 | PointBlank | and it'll disable/hide abiulity 2&3 but show 1 |
| 07:00.25 | nevjmac | what are you disabling it and hiding |
| 07:00.36 | nevjmac | why* |
| 07:01.27 | PointBlank | because when you cast the ability, it needs to be disabled so it can't be cast again, and it needs to be hidden so the next ability below it in the stack on the command card can be seen for casting |
| 07:02.23 | nevjmac | if its hidden that won't work? |
| 07:02.40 | nevjmac | can you still use a hidden ability is what I mean to ask |
| 07:02.46 | PointBlank | yes u can |
| 07:02.53 | PointBlank | via triggers |
| 07:03.01 | PointBlank | or if it's already clicked on the command card |
| 07:03.04 | PointBlank | and u hide it |
| 07:03.06 | nevjmac | it sounds like requirements would be a cleaner way to go if you can use a system effectivly |
| 07:03.24 | nevjmac | the behaviour requirement sounds like a goer |
| 07:03.44 | nevjmac | from experience data solutions to the data problems end up being cleaner |
| 07:03.48 | PointBlank | yeah sucks tho because i have 5 of these sets of 3 abilities and 5 states for them to be in, so that's a lot of typing :P |
| 07:04.16 | PointBlank | and just to workaround something that *should* work |
| 07:05.38 | nevjmac | you gotta remember how long it took to iron out war3's bugs |
| 07:05.46 | nevjmac | we will get there :) |
| 07:05.59 | nevjmac | and a requirement system should be cleaner than a trigger system if you ask me |
| 07:06.21 | nevjmac | anyhow I have to run :) gl |
| 07:06.36 | PointBlank | alrighty thx :) |
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| 07:34.45 | onetwo | lol i got a mail that i got $20 free in a casino website if i sign in |
| 07:34.49 | onetwo | and then $500 if i start playing |
| 07:34.52 | onetwo | what a gimmick |
| 07:34.58 | onetwo | real mail, not email |
| 07:35.14 | Dogmai | yea |
| 07:35.17 | Dogmai | happens all the time |
| 07:35.20 | Dogmai | spam spam spam |
| 07:35.25 | Dogmai | without the porky aftertaste |
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| 07:35.27 | onetwo | i cant believe it targeted me |
| 07:35.31 | onetwo | im still under my parents zip code |
| 07:35.38 | Dogmai | well you're sexy and irresitable mate |
| 07:35.40 | Dogmai | oh wait, thats me |
| 07:35.41 | onetwo | that is true |
| 07:35.45 | onetwo | can it be both? |
| 07:35.52 | Dogmai | only if we agree to tag team |
| 07:35.54 | Dogmai | <3 |
| 07:36.05 | onetwo | will you call me after? |
| 07:36.10 | onetwo | i need security |
| 07:36.17 | onetwo | and to know your not just after my assets |
| 07:36.18 | Dogmai | no ... but ill brand my name into your ass |
| 07:36.19 | onetwo | like my sexy voice |
| 07:36.22 | onetwo | deal |
| 07:36.23 | Dogmai | so you can always remember me |
| 07:36.29 | onetwo | as the one who got away? |
| 07:36.43 | Dogmai | bingo |
| 07:36.51 | onetwo | over and out |
| 07:36.57 | Dogmai | under and in |
| 07:37.23 | Dogmai | something simple sounds so dirty in the context of what we were discussing previously |
| 07:37.47 | onetwo | lol |
| 07:37.50 | Sixen | o_o |
| 07:37.57 | Dogmai | wuv u too sixen |
| 07:38.51 | Dogmai | so |
| 07:38.56 | Dogmai | i came up with a really good idea onetwo |
| 07:39.05 | onetwo | ? |
| 07:39.05 | Dogmai | i mean for my project not yours :) |
| 07:39.11 | onetwo | yeah? |
| 07:39.17 | Dogmai | my game is a giant mindfuck right |
| 07:39.23 | Dogmai | you have to screw with other peoples heads |
| 07:39.33 | Dogmai | i thought, well, wouldnt it be more fun iffffffffffffff |
| 07:39.38 | Dogmai | the engine screw with you as well! |
| 07:39.56 | Dogmai | screwed* |
| 07:40.55 | Dogmai | because I have been watching people's behaviours in similar games, and they trust the game too much, they trust the game to always tell them the truth |
| 07:41.21 | Dogmai | so if the game engine itself was screwing with you, abeit not always, but at random times, do you really trust what you see |
| 07:41.40 | onetwo | now that is true fear |
| 07:41.40 | onetwo | lol |
| 07:41.50 | Dogmai | yeah, I thought it would be interesting |
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| 07:48.32 | Helral|Work | meows |
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| 07:54.09 | Dryeyece | anyone available for about 15 or so minutes to help me test my map? I need to check a couple of things are wokring for multiplayer 8-) |
| 07:54.21 | Dogmai | what server |
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| 07:55.29 | Dryeyece | north america |
| 07:55.42 | Dogmai | yea alright |
| 07:56.25 | Dryeyece | kewl |
| 07:59.17 | onetwo | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:00.00 | Dryeyece | dogmai is helping me but you are welcome to come along also |
| 08:00.05 | Currydevil | is anyone else lagging on bnet? |
| 08:00.22 | Dryeyece | wouldnt hurt to have three people to make bugs instead of just two, helps me test even better 8) |
| 08:00.40 | Dryeyece | a friend of mine who was trying to hhelp me test a few minutes ago was |
| 08:01.14 | onetwo | k whats your ingame name |
| 08:01.29 | Currydevil | I just showed my map to someone, i was getting the "waiting for server" every 30 sec |
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| 08:03.05 | Dryeyece | its Dryeyece |
| 08:03.08 | Dryeyece | 831 |
| 08:04.04 | Dogmai | onetwo |
| 08:04.06 | Dogmai | ass in |
| 08:04.33 | onetwo | waiting for editor to exit |
| 08:04.34 | onetwo | taking forever |
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| 08:12.09 | Demonette | Uhm hi |
| 08:12.25 | onetwo | hi |
| 08:12.36 | Demonette | Not many people around here at this time... |
| 08:12.57 | onetwo | the euros |
| 08:13.02 | onetwo | and people like me who arent 9-5ers |
| 08:13.50 | Demonette | So what is an 9 to 5er? |
| 08:14.09 | onetwo | someone who works 5 days a week, from 9am to 5pm |
| 08:14.12 | onetwo | the general populace |
| 08:14.38 | onetwo | Dryeyece i dont think its your map |
| 08:14.40 | onetwo | i got dced from bnet |
| 08:14.42 | onetwo | cant connect to it now |
| 08:14.44 | onetwo | lol |
| 08:15.43 | Demonette | Sounds great... mmmhh is having kind a school like being a 9 to 5er? ^^ |
| 08:15.44 | onetwo | i hope my acct isnt compromised |
| 08:15.45 | onetwo | or something |
| 08:15.52 | onetwo | school doesnt count |
| 08:15.55 | onetwo | lol |
| 08:16.24 | Currydevil | no Onetwo |
| 08:16.27 | Currydevil | it's Bnet |
| 08:16.34 | Demonette | Well more university =P |
| 08:16.34 | onetwo | kk |
| 08:17.02 | Currydevil | it took me a couple tries to connect earlier, and the game was waiting on the server every 10-20 seconds |
| 08:17.12 | Currydevil | dc'd when I wasn't even in game |
| 08:21.16 | onetwo | my god ram is cheap |
| 08:21.19 | onetwo | 24$ for a 1 gig |
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| 08:26.59 | onetwo | hell im gonna buy some RAM tomorrow |
| 08:27.01 | onetwo | only 2 gigs atm |
| 08:27.05 | onetwo | gonna up to 3 |
| 08:27.13 | FockeWulf | ya but how much does a gig of ram do for you anymore :) |
| 08:27.19 | onetwo | a lot in my case |
| 08:27.21 | FockeWulf | top line comps need like 16 nowadays |
| 08:27.24 | onetwo | sc2+ sc2 editor = 1.8 gigs |
| 08:27.25 | onetwo | and lags my comp |
| 08:27.32 | onetwo | so that extra 1 |
| 08:27.37 | onetwo | is gonna be huge for me |
| 08:27.47 | FockeWulf | whats your ram speed though :) |
| 08:28.10 | onetwo | hey so if my current RAM are 2x(1 gig, 800 MHZ DDR2 SDRAM) |
| 08:28.14 | onetwo | does the new one have to be a certain type too |
| 08:28.34 | FockeWulf | if you are using ddr2 then you need to make sure you buy ddr2 |
| 08:28.39 | onetwo | kk |
| 08:28.42 | onetwo | and also 800 mhz? |
| 08:28.55 | FockeWulf | mine is dd3 2000mhz but my cpu only supports 1800 mhz |
| 08:29.12 | FockeWulf | yaa |
| 08:29.14 | FockeWulf | ya probably |
| 08:29.17 | onetwo | hmm interesting |
| 08:29.21 | onetwo | well my comp is getting near end of line |
| 08:29.24 | onetwo | good in its time but yeah |
| 08:29.28 | FockeWulf | i mean it can go as high as 1033 i think |
| 08:29.29 | FockeWulf | well |
| 08:29.32 | FockeWulf | ddr3 |
| 08:29.34 | FockeWulf | is slower |
| 08:29.36 | FockeWulf | than ddr21 |
| 08:29.36 | onetwo | oh |
| 08:29.38 | onetwo | http://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/product/lexar-media-lexar-1gb-ddr2-800-desktop-memory-ld1gd2s806cna-ld1gd2s806cna/10134650.aspx?path=3cc69ca42f7735c0c7419010c8055536en02 |
| 08:29.39 | FockeWulf | and ddr2 |
| 08:29.41 | onetwo | is that one fine? |
| 08:29.44 | FockeWulf | is slowewr than ddr1 |
| 08:29.56 | FockeWulf | ddr2 800 = ddr1 400 :) |
| 08:30.04 | onetwo | ah |
| 08:30.08 | FockeWulf | so ddr3 1800 = ddr1 600 |
| 08:30.18 | FockeWulf | they do it to shove more ram on the stick |
| 08:30.18 | onetwo | hmm interesting |
| 08:30.21 | onetwo | i see |
| 08:30.27 | onetwo | so what do you think about that one i linked |
| 08:30.29 | onetwo | i can buy it tomorrow |
| 08:30.29 | FockeWulf | space can be an issue |
| 08:30.33 | onetwo | will it match? |
| 08:30.36 | onetwo | ddr2 800 |
| 08:30.59 | onetwo | i love how its on sale for $2 less LOL |
| 08:32.23 | FockeWulf | well besides the fact your getting ripped off sure |
| 08:32.34 | FockeWulf | on the other hand i dont reconize that brand |
| 08:32.37 | onetwo | its $25 lol |
| 08:32.49 | onetwo | last time i bought ram it was like 300 |
| 08:32.52 | FockeWulf | and if its a shit brand i suspect their ram has a better than 50/50 fail rate |
| 08:32.58 | onetwo | hmm damn |
| 08:33.08 | FockeWulf | check out this one |
| 08:33.24 | FockeWulf | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820134114 |
| 08:33.25 | onetwo | whats a safe brand? |
| 08:33.26 | onetwo | kindston? |
| 08:33.31 | onetwo | and it cant be something ordering online |
| 08:33.32 | FockeWulf | umm |
| 08:33.45 | FockeWulf | well tbh |
| 08:33.48 | FockeWulf | its kinda a hit or miss |
| 08:33.51 | onetwo | kk |
| 08:34.03 | FockeWulf | my friend has had all sorts of trouble with corsair |
| 08:34.06 | FockeWulf | so he went kingston |
| 08:34.13 | FockeWulf | never failed once |
| 08:34.17 | FockeWulf | i went kingston |
| 08:34.19 | FockeWulf | never failed once |
| 08:34.19 | onetwo | kk thats all i need to know |
| 08:34.20 | onetwo | haha |
| 08:34.21 | FockeWulf | others though |
| 08:34.23 | Curry|Away | kingston, corsair |
| 08:34.27 | FockeWulf | have found that kingston fails all the time |
| 08:34.27 | Curry|Away | those are two good ones |
| 08:34.32 | Curry|Away | well |
| 08:34.34 | Curry|Away | corsair |
| 08:34.36 | Curry|Away | is good |
| 08:34.51 | onetwo | hmm thanks for all your help |
| 08:34.55 | FockeWulf | ive kinda found that once you find a brand you get lucky with stick to em |
| 08:35.11 | FockeWulf | kingston just happens to be mine :) |
| 08:35.25 | FockeWulf | like i get lucky with cyperpower |
| 08:35.29 | FockeWulf | most ppl say they are shit though |
| 08:35.54 | onetwo | i personally have never had ram crap out |
| 08:35.54 | onetwo | ever |
| 08:35.59 | onetwo | so i cant say for either side |
| 08:36.05 | FockeWulf | me never also |
| 08:36.14 | FockeWulf | but i just happend to get lucky the first time i think |
| 08:36.23 | Curry|Away | ^ |
| 08:36.29 | onetwo | ah |
| 08:36.30 | FockeWulf | hey anyone know anything about gskill? |
| 08:36.31 | FockeWulf | ram? |
| 08:36.36 | Curry|Away | no idea |
| 08:36.38 | FockeWulf | they are new to me |
| 08:36.41 | Curry|Away | i use corsair mainly |
| 08:37.06 | FockeWulf | the reviews are great |
| 08:37.24 | FockeWulf | i mean they have gskiill guys going onto newegg and admitting some of their stuff had flaws and the like |
| 08:37.47 | FockeWulf | the kind of customer assurance that you'd expect from a successful company |
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| 08:38.33 | Helral|Work | meows |
| 08:38.35 | onetwo | thats nice |
| 08:38.38 | FockeWulf | arf arf! |
| 08:39.01 | Helral|Work | meows some more |
| 08:39.32 | FockeWulf | well i got my fps engine working :) |
| 08:39.37 | FockeWulf | stress tested 2 with 6 ppl |
| 08:39.38 | FockeWulf | no lag |
| 08:39.45 | Helral|Work | :) |
| 08:39.50 | FockeWulf | but now i get to tear it all appart again and do a diff approach |
| 08:39.50 | Helral|Work | how are the controls done? |
| 08:40.06 | onetwo | lol |
| 08:40.07 | FockeWulf | cause it wont do what i want it to do as easily as one of my clan came up with |
| 08:40.15 | Helral|Work | lol |
| 08:40.18 | FockeWulf | hes doing a flight sim |
| 08:40.24 | Helral|Work | goes back to work and afk. |
| 08:40.26 | FockeWulf | controls? |
| 08:43.00 | Dekar | how the player moves etc |
| 08:43.15 | Dekar | if it uses mouse |
| 08:45.28 | FockeWulf | oh wasd mouse rotate and lmb fire |
| 08:45.36 | FockeWulf | projectile system is full 3d |
| 08:45.43 | onetwo | focked |
| 08:45.45 | onetwo | focke* |
| 08:45.49 | onetwo | do i have to worry about pin count |
| 08:45.54 | onetwo | or as long as ddr2 |
| 08:46.02 | onetwo | like that one i linked |
| 08:46.15 | onetwo | can i just expect it to fit |
| 08:46.17 | FockeWulf | i dont think ddr2 ram would be anything but 240 pin |
| 08:46.22 | onetwo | k |
| 08:46.36 | FockeWulf | if its NOT 240 then i couldnt buy it |
| 08:46.40 | FockeWulf | wouldnt* |
| 08:47.23 | FockeWulf | basically the controls are default fps |
| 08:47.28 | FockeWulf | a and d are strafe keys |
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| 09:06.27 | onetwo | hmm |
| 09:06.44 | onetwo | i dislike that family guy and south park are getting ousted off my fav tv channels for shows like how i met your mother and big bang theory |
| 09:06.50 | onetwo | lcd shows are taking over :( |
| 09:07.02 | onetwo | to all the politically correct bums!! |
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| 09:34.52 | XenoX | hello |
| 09:35.14 | onetwo | hi |
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| 09:49.33 | onetwo | nice |
| 09:49.39 | onetwo | i made my behavior buffs for my items ahead of time |
| 09:49.45 | onetwo | and when i name my items themself |
| 09:49.49 | onetwo | it auto sets the button face |
| 09:49.55 | onetwo | to the buttons |
| 09:50.03 | onetwo | *i made by buttons and behavior buffs |
| 09:50.54 | XenoX | what map are you making? |
| 09:51.21 | onetwo | prisoner rebellion... basically a sheep tag/ cat & mouse where the mice aka prisoners can fight back |
| 09:51.33 | onetwo | but they have to build themselves up by hiding money buildings etc |
| 09:51.35 | onetwo | avoid cops |
| 09:51.42 | onetwo | and its in snow terrain too! |
| 09:51.46 | onetwo | for xmas theme |
| 09:51.46 | onetwo | haha |
| 09:53.32 | XenoX | that sounds nice |
| 09:53.41 | XenoX | I used to like cat & mouse on SC1 |
| 09:54.13 | XenoX | any screenshots or previews yet? |
| 09:55.08 | onetwo | i tested it with 2 people yesterday but thats it |
| 09:55.18 | onetwo | ill be doing a lot more soon |
| 09:55.21 | onetwo | and pics for sure! |
| 09:55.37 | onetwo | the reason im making it is because i made it in war3 for me and my friends and we used to always play it |
| 09:55.41 | onetwo | i jsut never publicly released it |
| 09:55.47 | onetwo | but nows the time to step it up :D |
| 09:55.53 | onetwo | it also takes a lot less work than my rpg... |
| 09:56.04 | XenoX | ah yeah for sure |
| 09:56.19 | XenoX | make the cat interesting :) |
| 09:56.23 | onetwo | definitely |
| 09:56.27 | XenoX | he got a bit boring in SC1 |
| 09:56.29 | onetwo | my problem with sheep tag was the wolf gameplay was s oboring |
| 09:56.32 | onetwo | yeah same for sc1 i guess |
| 09:56.37 | onetwo | so my map has heroes as cops |
| 09:56.40 | onetwo | and they can buy items |
| 09:56.40 | onetwo | etc |
| 09:56.43 | XenoX | ah nice |
| 09:56.46 | onetwo | level up from grinding buildings |
| 09:56.46 | onetwo | haha |
| 09:57.18 | onetwo | its still hard htough |
| 09:57.23 | onetwo | people just prefer prisoner/mouse |
| 09:57.44 | XenoX | thats good though, give people incentive to kill buildings |
| 09:57.50 | onetwo | yeah |
| 09:57.51 | onetwo | haha |
| 09:58.04 | onetwo | what about you, working on anything? |
| 10:00.09 | XenoX | yeah I'm making this spellcaster arena map |
| 10:00.21 | onetwo | heroes? |
| 10:00.23 | XenoX | kind of a mix of king of the hill and deathmatch, but with spellcasters only, no melee heroes |
| 10:00.26 | XenoX | yeah heroes |
| 10:00.39 | onetwo | lot of work :( |
| 10:00.44 | XenoX | tis very much so |
| 10:01.00 | XenoX | working a lot on trying to make all the heroes varying yet balanced |
| 10:01.06 | onetwo | yeah thats hard |
| 10:01.33 | XenoX | I've got like a basic system going, where each hero specializes in something |
| 10:02.01 | XenoX | I can show you a brief outline if you're interested |
| 10:04.38 | onetwo | how so? |
| 10:04.41 | onetwo | picture? |
| 10:04.50 | XenoX | sec |
| 10:05.49 | XenoX | I made an excel file with the spells and stuff |
| 10:07.16 | XenoX | http://www.megaupload.com/?d=EHFM41VA |
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| 10:14.28 | XenoX | if/when you finish the cat & mouse type map I can publish it for you on SEA |
| 10:14.35 | onetwo | awesome |
| 10:14.38 | onetwo | whats your forum name btw? |
| 10:15.25 | XenoX | haven't signed up yet actually lol |
| 10:15.28 | onetwo | oh |
| 10:15.34 | onetwo | just wanted a way to contact you later |
| 10:15.43 | XenoX | ah yeah you can have my email |
| 10:15.47 | XenoX | vortex01@gmail.com |
| 10:15.56 | XenoX | or msn, the_vortex01@hotmail.com |
| 10:16.07 | onetwo | awesome thanks |
| 10:16.22 | onetwo | the bigger problem is getting it played on anything other than NA |
| 10:16.23 | onetwo | where i can boost it |
| 10:16.24 | onetwo | haah |
| 10:16.35 | XenoX | lol yeah |
| 10:16.53 | XenoX | if its well made I'll play it with my friends a bit |
| 10:16.58 | XenoX | and get them to perpetuate it |
| 10:17.23 | onetwo | i can guarantee you it will :D |
| 10:17.28 | onetwo | <3 |
| 10:17.38 | XenoX | good to hear :) |
| 10:17.50 | onetwo | im just making the shareholders happy |
| 10:17.53 | onetwo | all of my investors |
| 10:17.54 | onetwo | lol |
| 10:17.55 | XenoX | haha |
| 10:18.13 | XenoX | well when my map finally gets released in 20344 |
| 10:18.20 | onetwo | haha |
| 10:18.29 | XenoX | I might get you to return me the favour ;p |
| 10:18.34 | onetwo | of course |
| 10:18.42 | XenoX | if you like the map that is :) |
| 10:18.44 | onetwo | i always help out the family, michael |
| 10:19.12 | XenoX | is that a reference to something? |
| 10:19.54 | XenoX | my names not michael XD |
| 10:20.12 | onetwo | godfather |
| 10:20.14 | onetwo | lol |
| 10:20.49 | XenoX | ah right, saw it once like 5 years ago ;p |
| 10:21.44 | onetwo | haha |
| 10:21.47 | onetwo | i saw it recently |
| 10:22.32 | XenoX | great movie |
| 10:23.07 | XenoX | that much I do recall ;p |
| 10:24.21 | onetwo | ;d |
| 10:24.25 | onetwo | :D* |
| 10:25.14 | XenoX | yeah so with my map if you saw the excel file you'd see the tags are kind of all over the place |
| 10:25.27 | XenoX | but the counters list on the right is fairly ordered |
| 10:25.47 | XenoX | splash damage counters close heroes, precise damage counters spread heroes |
| 10:26.24 | XenoX | the idea is that nothing totally dominates, everything can be countered by something else |
| 10:27.04 | onetwo | yeah |
| 10:27.10 | onetwo | if theres a model to look at, it's WoW abils |
| 10:27.18 | onetwo | they put millions in manpower of balance |
| 10:27.21 | onetwo | of dollars* |
| 10:27.49 | XenoX | yeah |
| 10:27.54 | XenoX | but the thing is |
| 10:28.08 | XenoX | 99% of their abilities are simple damage/armor/health modifications |
| 10:28.44 | onetwo | such is true... |
| 10:29.21 | XenoX | which is much easier to balance than spells which displace heroes and what not\ |
| 10:29.41 | XenoX | such as with my warper hero |
| 10:30.48 | XenoX | not sure if it'll all work out but will do my best ;p |
| 10:31.52 | onetwo | lol |
| 10:31.56 | onetwo | gl |
| 10:32.13 | XenoX | thanks |
| 10:32.22 | XenoX | have you had any balance issues so far? |
| 10:34.40 | onetwo | with my prisoner map? |
| 10:35.08 | XenoX | yeah |
| 10:35.29 | onetwo | hmm not really, needs like 5+ players to be more equal |
| 10:35.38 | onetwo | but i had so much time with it in war3 |
| 10:35.40 | onetwo | the war3 version |
| 10:35.45 | onetwo | so i know a general idea of whats balanced |
| 10:35.50 | onetwo | items = abusable |
| 10:35.51 | onetwo | lol |
| 10:36.11 | XenoX | ah right lol |
| 10:36.15 | XenoX | yeah I've got no items in my map |
| 10:36.22 | onetwo | good plan imo |
| 10:36.33 | XenoX | all the specializing is in the skills |
| 10:36.56 | XenoX | and you will have to choose between skill upgrade, health upgrade and mana regen upgrade |
| 10:37.10 | XenoX | so people can make up their own builds that way |
| 10:39.29 | onetwo | yeah |
| 10:42.03 | XenoX | one thing with cat n mouse is its often luck based |
| 10:42.22 | XenoX | it'd be great if you added elements that made the game more skill based |
| 10:42.47 | XenoX | like ability to briefly see all the prisoners/micde |
| 10:42.47 | onetwo | well another thing is if you die |
| 10:42.49 | onetwo | you go to jail in center |
| 10:42.50 | XenoX | mice* |
| 10:42.52 | onetwo | and your teammates can rescue you |
| 10:42.57 | XenoX | yeah |
| 10:42.58 | onetwo | so all is not lost if you mess up |
| 10:43.03 | XenoX | thats true |
| 10:43.04 | onetwo | theres wards too |
| 10:43.06 | onetwo | and abils |
| 10:43.10 | onetwo | so ill try things |
| 10:43.14 | onetwo | im open to lots once i do testing |
| 10:43.14 | XenoX | yeah |
| 10:43.29 | onetwo | the fun for prisoner is getting a secret spot and having all your money buildings generating income |
| 10:43.33 | onetwo | and when a cop finds you youre like shit |
| 10:43.36 | onetwo | better have some defence |
| 10:43.37 | onetwo | haha |
| 10:43.40 | XenoX | yeah |
| 10:43.41 | onetwo | or flee |
| 10:43.43 | XenoX | and maybe consider a counter system like on my map |
| 10:43.53 | XenoX | like if mice build a cannon with high damage |
| 10:43.57 | XenoX | you can get a shield or something |
| 10:44.06 | XenoX | or the bullets are slow and dodgeable |
| 10:44.44 | XenoX | so its hard but not impossible to win if the prisoners have built up a formidable defense |
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| 10:45.11 | XenoX | those kinds of comebacks make the game all the more interesting imo |
| 10:45.29 | onetwo | hmm yeah |
| 10:45.54 | XenoX | like with dota the level cap serves a purpose |
| 10:46.01 | XenoX | it means that the losing team who is lower level |
| 10:46.08 | XenoX | will ultimately catch up, if they hold out enough |
| 10:46.10 | onetwo | ah yes |
| 10:46.12 | XenoX | sure they'll have less items |
| 10:46.25 | XenoX | but their spells will do the same damage |
| 10:47.24 | onetwo | i find it really annoying that you cant copy indexes of the train ability |
| 10:47.25 | onetwo | or build ability |
| 10:47.29 | onetwo | on Info+ |
| 10:47.36 | onetwo | have to reput in everything every time |
| 10:47.37 | XenoX | as in make duplicates of it? |
| 10:48.06 | onetwo | yeah right now im making shop ability |
| 10:48.12 | onetwo | have to make a new row for each item |
| 10:48.14 | onetwo | find the button |
| 10:48.16 | onetwo | and find the unit |
| 10:48.24 | onetwo | whereas if i could just copy paste then i can just scroll down one |
| 10:48.26 | onetwo | to the next item |
| 10:48.28 | onetwo | and move on |
| 10:48.57 | XenoX | yeah there've been a number of complaints about the lack of efficiency in GE |
| 10:49.02 | onetwo | lol |
| 10:49.09 | XenoX | even creating custom units is a pain |
| 10:49.13 | XenoX | with actors and all that |
| 10:49.15 | onetwo | honestly a wizard would be great |
| 10:49.19 | onetwo | with just the important fields |
| 10:49.22 | XenoX | yeah |
| 10:49.23 | onetwo | i use 99% of same fields with every unit |
| 10:49.29 | XenoX | exactly |
| 10:49.32 | XenoX | it makes no sense |
| 10:49.34 | onetwo | weapon |
| 10:49.37 | onetwo | weapon effect/damage |
| 10:49.40 | onetwo | health |
| 10:49.42 | onetwo | model |
| 10:49.47 | onetwo | unit icon |
| 10:49.49 | onetwo | name |
| 10:49.58 | onetwo | the other problem when you duplicate is you cant specify a new name |
| 10:50.04 | onetwo | so you have to rename each duplicated thing one by one |
| 10:50.08 | onetwo | from ____ copy |
| 10:50.21 | onetwo | i can literally count probably like over 10 hours doing that |
| 10:50.23 | onetwo | in my rpg |
| 10:51.55 | XenoX | damn |
| 10:52.03 | XenoX | didnt know that |
| 10:53.07 | onetwo | well youve duplicated |
| 10:53.11 | onetwo | gotta rename the actor |
| 10:53.12 | onetwo | weapon |
| 10:53.14 | onetwo | damage effect |
| 10:53.14 | onetwo | etc |
| 10:53.16 | onetwo | yourself |
| 10:53.21 | XenoX | yeah |
| 10:53.23 | XenoX | that sucks |
| 11:03.38 | XenoX | I think my constructor will be the funnest hero, he can build towers, artillery, mines, explosives and missiles |
| 11:03.44 | onetwo | nice |
| 11:03.48 | XenoX | gonna try and keep the others interesting too though ;p |
| 11:04.08 | XenoX | he's aoe king though |
| 11:09.06 | XenoX | how do you find sc2's terrain editor |
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| 11:35.19 | ducky | *function |
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| 11:44.15 | harl | wuff wuff |
| 11:44.28 | Arthas- | ~seen Dustin |
| 11:44.37 | purl | dustin <Dustin@ip72-209-158-12.ks.ks.cox.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 5d 12h 9m 10s ago, saying: 'Add in jump and strafeing'. |
| 11:50.48 | Cintiq | ~shitty bot trigger |
| 11:50.59 | Cintiq | always found .command more sexy |
| 11:51.19 | Cintiq | .seen dustin |
| 11:51.20 | Cintiq | ;_; |
| 11:55.50 | XenoX | tilda is the shit |
| 11:56.04 | XenoX | always associate the tilda key with commands |
| 11:56.45 | Arthas- | ~quote |
| 11:57.03 | Arthas- | ~8ball Should I go home? |
| 11:57.03 | purl | Unsure. |
| 11:57.20 | XenoX | ~8ball do we prefer tilda? |
| 11:57.21 | purl | Unsure. |
| 11:57.25 | XenoX | zz |
| 11:57.44 | XenoX | 8balls aren't meant to be indecisive ;p |
| 12:00.40 | XenoX | working on any maps arthas? |
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| 12:07.30 | XenoX | guess not |
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| 12:26.51 | XenoX | sooo anyone still alive |
| 12:31.02 | Arthas- | XenoX not atm |
| 12:31.03 | Arthas- | :D |
| 12:31.34 | XenoX | ah k |
| 12:37.07 | XenoX | up to anything sc2 wise? |
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| 13:01.40 | XenoX | so quiet zz |
| 13:14.04 | Arthas- | Ay, a banktool for exporting banks to the web |
| 13:14.15 | Arthas- | in order to keep track of scores, map feedback etc. |
| 13:14.27 | XenoX | that sounds very useful |
| 13:14.41 | Arthas- | statistics over how many games is in gamemode X if you have several gamemodes etc |
| 13:14.47 | Arthas- | hopefully it will be :p |
| 13:14.54 | Arthas- | now where is dustin :< |
| 13:15.20 | XenoX | one balancing statistic that would be great for my map would be percentage of wins as a particular hero |
| 13:15.34 | XenoX | or not wins, but high scores |
| 13:15.52 | XenoX | like in dota where you can tell a hero is OP because they aalways get a great ratio |
| 13:16.21 | XenoX | not sure if thats within the scope or of interest but just a thought |
| 13:17.28 | XenoX | indeed though balancing and score ladders would be your main markets |
| 13:21.35 | Dekar | that really sounds nice |
| 13:32.04 | Arthas- | yup |
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| 13:43.29 | Vail | hello folks |
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| 14:23.28 | Ashamed | Hey |
| 14:23.31 | Ashamed | how it be? |
| 14:26.03 | Skizot | it be what it be |
| 14:26.53 | Arthas- | Crap |
| 14:27.03 | Arthas- | feels optimistic today |
| 14:27.19 | Ashamed | crap |
| 14:27.22 | Ashamed | thats bad |
| 14:27.24 | Skizot | POOP |
| 14:27.30 | Arthas- | It is |
| 14:27.37 | Arthas- | hehe, he said poop |
| 14:27.38 | Ashamed | :( |
| 14:27.47 | Ashamed | i bought a new computer! |
| 14:27.55 | Skizot | it's crap. |
| 14:27.59 | Arthas- | Probably |
| 14:28.01 | Ashamed | but newegg took like 3 days to send my ram out |
| 14:28.01 | Arthas- | SPECS |
| 14:28.07 | Ashamed | Its kinda crappy |
| 14:28.08 | Ashamed | lol |
| 14:28.10 | Ashamed | it was cheap |
| 14:28.12 | Ashamed | give me a secon |
| 14:28.13 | Arthas- | 1x single core |
| 14:28.14 | Ashamed | let me get them |
| 14:28.14 | Skizot | it was obsolete 2 weeks ago. |
| 14:28.19 | Ashamed | quad |
| 14:28.20 | Ashamed | of course |
| 14:28.23 | Arthas- | mine was obsolete 18 months ago |
| 14:28.26 | Ashamed | yeah |
| 14:28.28 | Ashamed | mine 2 |
| 14:28.33 | Ashamed | i would say about 18 months lol |
| 14:28.35 | Arthas- | although it is a quad :p |
| 14:28.36 | Ashamed | it should run sc2 at max |
| 14:28.37 | Ashamed | mby |
| 14:28.39 | Arthas- | and gtx285 |
| 14:28.43 | Arthas- | I need new gfx! |
| 14:28.48 | Arthas- | and cpu |
| 14:29.08 | Ashamed | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103656 |
| 14:29.19 | Ashamed | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130538 |
| 14:29.38 | Ashamed | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233132 |
| 14:29.54 | Ashamed | let me research the rest because i bought it in othe rplaces a while ago |
| 14:31.41 | Ashamed | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131398R |
| 14:32.16 | Ashamed | hard drive is just a WD green 500gb i got it like a year ago.. I will need to get a new one soon lol |
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| 14:35.00 | Ashamed | so it should due -.- |
| 14:35.13 | Ashamed | My wife and friend bought the first 3 for me for my birthday |
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| 14:43.28 | Dekar | do buttons with images work yet? |
| 14:43.29 | Ashamed | nothing to say :( |
| 14:43.34 | Dekar | @ dialog |
| 14:49.03 | Arthas- | Ashamed at uni doing works meanwhile :p |
| 14:49.27 | Arthas- | itll play sc2 for sure |
| 14:56.20 | PassivePicasso | no it wont |
| 14:56.24 | PassivePicasso | its going to crash and burn |
| 14:56.56 | A1win | is there a way to modify a unit's attack command's auto acquire range during the game? maybe give it two attack abilities? |
| 14:57.29 | A1win | actually that won't help me >:< |
| 14:58.14 | A1win | I need a way to let specific units only attack targets that are in a specific region, smartly so that they'll pick the closest one they can reach |
| 14:58.52 | A1win | making zerglings that follow the player's character but when they are in "passive" mode, they only attack units that are withing a radius of 3 from the character |
| 14:59.46 | A1win | I tried making them attack the unit group that is within radius of 3 from the character but they tried attacking units they couldn't reach (blocked by other units) even though they could've attacked other units in that group |
| 15:01.37 | A1win | hmm... maybe I could give those units in the radius of 3 some flag and make the zerglings require that flag for their auto acquire... |
| 15:01.58 | A1win | but then I'd need to give that flag to every enemy when the zerglings are in aggressive mode :E |
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| 15:04.11 | A1win | can't even modify the flags properly, meh |
| 15:07.01 | A1win | doesn't help if I give the damage effect a validator... can I give the attack ability a validator or something? |
| 15:07.12 | A1win | or rather the auto acquire |
| 15:09.24 | Dekar | triggers? |
| 15:09.27 | Dekar | :D |
| 15:09.41 | A1win | can't figure out how to do it with triggers either :x |
| 15:09.49 | Dekar | well, to make it attack the closest unit |
| 15:09.57 | Dekar | you just order it attack movement towards a unit |
| 15:10.02 | A1win | yeah but what if the closest unit is blocked by another unit |
| 15:10.05 | A1win | so that it can't reach it |
| 15:10.18 | Dekar | thenthe blocking unit is closer? |
| 15:10.25 | Dekar | and thus is not blocked? |
| 15:10.36 | A1win | if it's an ally.. like the player character :P |
| 15:10.44 | A1win | which is usually the case |
| 15:11.03 | A1win | I mean, they should attack the closest unit to the player character, not to themselves.. but only if they can reach that unit |
| 15:11.08 | Dekar | then the player should move out of the way? :P |
| 15:11.18 | Dekar | hmm |
| 15:11.27 | Dekar | there may be a trigger for it |
| 15:11.31 | Dekar | to check for pathing |
| 15:11.38 | A1win | units don't count for it |
| 15:11.44 | Dekar | too bad :p |
| 15:11.44 | A1win | it only checks footprints |
| 15:12.15 | Dekar | thats a pretty complicated behaviour |
| 15:12.21 | Dekar | "ai" |
| 15:12.32 | A1win | yeah... mmh |
| 15:12.55 | A1win | maybe I'll just make the zergling to attack the closest unit to itself, in the unit group in circle around the player |
| 15:13.11 | A1win | that should work I suppose o: |
| 15:13.28 | Dekar | i suppose i could say more if i knew how the terrain looks like |
| 15:13.49 | A1win | the terrain is not the problem, just that if there are a lot of enemies in a pile |
| 15:14.04 | Dekar | hmm |
| 15:14.04 | A1win | so that the other enemies block the route for the zerglings to the closest unit to the player unit :P |
| 15:14.14 | Dekar | ok |
| 15:14.23 | A1win | but I think this will be fine... |
| 15:14.51 | Dekar | im not sure |
| 15:14.55 | Dekar | if you can do that |
| 15:15.08 | Dekar | incresing priorities with an aura |
| 15:15.15 | A1win | the main problem was that if the closest unit to the zergling was too far from the player, it kept "bouncing" towards it.. that was with auto acquire |
| 15:15.29 | A1win | hmm |
| 15:15.36 | A1win | yeah dunno if the priority can be modified |
| 15:15.36 | A1win | but |
| 15:15.46 | A1win | auto acquire basically attacks the closest unit to the unit anyway? |
| 15:16.13 | A1win | except that what if the closest unit to the unit is blocked by terrain >.< |
| 15:16.20 | A1win | oh yeah |
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| 15:16.56 | A1win | that's why I just made the "closest unit in unit group (check pathing)" function <.< |
| 15:17.07 | A1win | for a different purpose though but I can use it for this too :3 |
| 15:17.51 | Dekar | there |
| 15:17.54 | Dekar | if you make an aura |
| 15:17.57 | Dekar | on your hero |
| 15:18.08 | Dekar | with lets say 10 different ranges |
| 15:18.12 | Dekar | in 1 range steps |
| 15:18.31 | Dekar | the closest adds 10 behaviours AGGRO to enemy units |
| 15:18.42 | Dekar | the second ring 9 |
| 15:18.45 | Dekar | third 8 etc |
| 15:19.05 | Dekar | and then give the zergling a target sort that uses behaviour counts |
| 15:19.28 | A1win | target sort? |
| 15:19.31 | Dekar | yeah |
| 15:19.34 | Dekar | maybe |
| 15:19.35 | Dekar | :3 |
| 15:19.49 | Dekar | need 1 more minute to confirm |
| 15:19.52 | Dekar | if it could work |
| 15:20.26 | A1win | this works well enough |
| 15:21.44 | Dekar | ok |
| 15:21.47 | Dekar | i never tried that |
| 15:21.50 | Dekar | but if you take that aura |
| 15:22.03 | Dekar | create the behaviour count target sort for the applied behaviour |
| 15:22.14 | Dekar | then crate a new tactical ai |
| 15:22.17 | Dekar | for your zergling |
| 15:22.25 | Dekar | and use the behaviour target sort there |
| 15:22.35 | Dekar | or target find :S |
| 15:22.42 | A1win | mmh :x |
| 15:23.15 | A1win | actually this is probably better since the player is also a melee character... so if the zerglings just keep trying to attack the closest unit to the player, they'll most likely get there when the enemy is already dead |
| 15:23.18 | Dekar | target find with your target sor |
| 15:23.19 | Dekar | t |
| 15:23.29 | Dekar | maybe |
| 15:23.38 | Dekar | depends on how far away they are |
| 15:23.40 | Dekar | :D |
| 15:24.00 | A1win | they still only attack units that are within 3 range of the player |
| 15:24.17 | A1win | the zergling gets the closest ounit from that unit group, not from all units |
| 15:24.24 | A1win | *unit |
| 15:24.53 | A1win | Unit - Order TempZergling to ( Attack targeting (Closest unit to (Position of TempZergling) in (Unit group with lowest pathing cost to (Position of TempZergling) in TempIdleTargetGroup))) (Replace Existing Orders) |
| 15:25.08 | A1win | TempIdleTargetGroup are the units within 3 radius of player |
| 15:25.56 | Dekar | :D |
| 15:25.58 | A1win | and "unit group with lowest pathing cost" returns the unit group of all units that have the same pathing cost as the one with the lowest one |
| 15:26.20 | A1win | pathing cost is an integer |
| 15:28.47 | A1win | mmh now the zerglings look a bit ridiculous when they follow the player though :P they start and stop moving very rapidly since the player is slower than them.. I guess I could just increase the time between checks for their movement |
| 15:31.33 | A1win | whee now it's cool |
| 15:31.52 | A1win | just need to figure out a good key binding for turning them on aggressive mode where their acquire range is increased... |
| 15:33.11 | A1win | mmf I wonder why the zerglings sometimes keep "dancing" at their follow point instead of stopping there |
| 15:43.19 | A1win | whee I think I fixed it |
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| 15:57.47 | Dekar | whee |
| 15:59.38 | A1win | I like my way of detecting targets based on the character's view cone and the camera's view cone ^^ |
| 16:00.07 | A1win | priorizing camera's view cone |
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| 16:01.55 | A1win | so if you and the character both look the same direction, the character doesn't find targets behind it... but if you turn camera to face them, then the character will also notice them and turn to attack (if you're holding attack that is) |
| 16:02.20 | A1win | made the zerglings use the same method now |
| 16:03.09 | Arthas- | has anyone here tested htc desire hd? |
| 16:19.40 | A1win | what's the "passive" unti flag? there's a filter for it but I can't see it being on any unit |
| 16:19.56 | A1win | I mean there's no option to set it for a unit |
| 16:20.46 | A1win | oh well I'll just use Worker |
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| 17:16.57 | A1win | is there any better way to get units in a sector shaped area (part of a circle) than getting them in that circle and then checking if the angle from the center to the unit is too big and remove the unit from the group if it is? |
| 17:22.31 | A1win | whee my zergling AI is quite ready.. now I just need an ability to summon them... |
| 17:22.43 | A1win | gonna do it with triggers to I have full access to all my variables ;3 |
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| 17:40.10 | Stewox | hello |
| 17:40.26 | Stewox | anyone here ? |
| 17:42.43 | Stewox | How can I make a splash damage efect on a melee weapon (nonranged) like for example Zeratul , so the weapons would effect in it's swing , not only to the single target. |
| 17:43.58 | Stewox | in an area of it's swing , like 0.25 for example , but i think i have to do something else than just adding a searh area effect on the damage effect (there's only one effect for the main weapon) |
| 17:50.52 | Ashamed | i would look at a spash damage move |
| 17:51.06 | Ashamed | Today and yesterday = Copy paste |
| 17:53.17 | Stewox | move ? |
| 17:53.52 | Stewox | where can i find an example who has melee , i just want it as simple , not something like siege tank it's too complicated |
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| 19:06.10 | EternalWraith | How do you disable the normal music that plays when you start a map? |
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| 19:09.19 | EternalWraith | Anyyyyone?? |
| 19:12.21 | Dekar | with a trigger? |
| 19:13.00 | EternalWraith | Yep |
| 19:13.08 | EternalWraith | Or data. Anything |
| 19:15.23 | JManV | check out the sound triggers |
| 19:16.30 | EternalWraith | Lol. As if I hadn`t already done so. Forget it. Im in the wrong place. |
| 19:16.48 | JManV | wow |
| 19:21.14 | JManV | what is shield armor level? |
| 19:22.06 | JManV | and life armor level for that matter |
| 19:25.10 | A1win | shield armor is armor that only affects damage done to the unit's shields |
| 19:25.15 | A1win | and life to damage done to life (health) |
| 19:25.30 | A1win | so "life armor" is the normal armor |
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| 19:38.20 | Ashamed | erg i am tired |
| 19:39.17 | JManV | so i got booted... did anyone answer my question? |
| 19:39.59 | JManV | "shield armor level"... what is it? |
| 19:40.34 | JManV | nvm... i think i just figured out what it is |
| 19:41.02 | BorgDragon|SLEEP | dude |
| 19:41.17 | JManV | dude? |
| 19:41.24 | BorgDragon | shield armor level is the # displayed in the bottom right corner of the Shield Tooltip |
| 19:41.39 | BorgDragon | like in melee maps |
| 19:41.59 | BorgDragon | all units start off with Life Armor Level 0 and Shield Armor Level 0, aswell as Weapon Level 0 |
| 19:42.11 | JManV | yeah, that's what i thought of just now |
| 19:42.20 | A1win | 21:25:09 < A1win> shield armor is armor that only affects damage done to the unit's shields |
| 19:42.23 | A1win | 21:25:14 < A1win> and life to damage done to life (health) |
| 19:42.25 | A1win | 21:25:30 < A1win> so "life armor" is the normal armor |
| 19:42.31 | A1win | oh, level |
| 19:42.34 | BorgDragon | he's not talking about just armor |
| 19:42.41 | BorgDragon | =D |
| 19:42.55 | A1win | mm it's just for the tooltip |
| 19:43.07 | JManV | thanks |
| 19:43.09 | JManV | good to know |
| 19:43.36 | A1win | woot I have a zummon zergling ability now |
| 19:43.44 | A1win | costs more rage depending on how many you have.. first one is free |
| 19:43.52 | A1win | but I'll need some cooldown for it I guess |
| 19:44.10 | A1win | zummon -.- |
| 19:45.41 | A1win | and possibly require a max number of them which is based on the level of the ability... otherwise it's too good with 8 zerglings :P |
| 19:46.14 | BorgDragon | I need something to play |
| 19:46.29 | BorgDragon | there's nothing good on BNet customs... |
| 19:46.34 | JManV | well you could have it cost more based on a diminishing returns formula, so it gets more expensive per unit |
| 19:46.36 | BorgDragon | i hate melee |
| 19:46.55 | BorgDragon | don't feel like playing DoW2, L4D2, Alien Swarm... |
| 19:47.06 | BorgDragon | or new vegas... |
| 19:48.59 | BorgDragon | so tempted to get Black Ops |
| 19:50.44 | A1win | this will be epic once it's ready ^^ I'm really liking how these abilities are turning out... |
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| 19:59.26 | Xapti | What are the limitations melee maps have? |
| 20:00.22 | Xapti | can you make custom doodads, or can you put down things that offer special behaviors (like degeneration, evade chance, unable to attack, etc.) |
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| 20:07.17 | wOlfLinG | So, can i add the amount of time left in a timer/ variable into the tooltip of a dialog button? |
| 20:08.02 | A1win | sure... you just need to update it every second ;p |
| 20:09.54 | wOlfLinG | Yeah. I was thinking i could just do a 'Set tooltip to int var' and it would auto update. Ah well, just need to update every second :D |
| 20:10.30 | wOlfLinG | In other news: 80s rock music PWNS! |
| 20:11.15 | JManV | ofc it does |
| 20:11.22 | JManV | hair rock ftw! |
| 20:12.30 | wOlfLinG | 80s > 70s > 90s > 60s > 20s > every other decade > today :( |
| 20:12.49 | JManV | 90s > 70s... easy |
| 20:13.24 | wOlfLinG | Well i was born in '95, so i didn't really hear much of it xD |
| 20:13.56 | JManV | 70s was a weird time |
| 20:13.59 | wOlfLinG | Actually i didn't listen to anything but 80s and todays music much :/ |
| 20:14.13 | JManV | 90s had some good music |
| 20:14.16 | wOlfLinG | 80s pwns, 10s doesn't >:( |
| 20:14.21 | JManV | you've probably actually heard a lot of it |
| 20:15.06 | wOlfLinG | probably |
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| 20:15.59 | JManV | ah yes... the days when stone temple pilots were actually good |
| 20:16.10 | JManV | nirvana was very 90s |
| 20:17.13 | wOlfLinG | D: Just put it on 80s rock radio on Spotify and the first one that came up was 'Like a surgeon' by wierd al yankovic... Wierd |
| 20:18.38 | A1win | someone want to test my 3rd person controls? |
| 20:19.24 | A1win | got 2 melee abilities already and one to summon zerglings |
| 20:20.18 | A1win | http://a1win.pp.fi/hidden/a1win_wasd_00011.SC2Map |
| 20:21.40 | A1win | mouse1: melee attack (generates rage), mouse 2: melee aoe attack (costs 10 rage), 1 (key): summon zergling (costs 15 * number of zerglings - 5 rage) |
| 20:22.08 | Bibendus|AFK | is now away - Reason : Auto-Away after 30 minutes |
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| 20:28.49 | Ashamed | http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20101202/sc_nm/us_arsenic_bacteria |
| 20:32.19 | Ashamed | kinda interresting |
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| 20:45.03 | Leaderboard | Is there a way to export an entire data from a map ? |
| 20:49.38 | C-H | there is a dropdown for data source but cant set it to other maps... |
| 20:49.50 | C-H | blame blizzard for that one |
| 20:50.08 | C-H | or bug em to add it :D |
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| 20:50.34 | A1win | that's just a filter, not a way to choose where you get the data from |
| 20:51.22 | C-H | oh |
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| 20:56.20 | wOlfLinG | Need ideas for heroes! |
| 20:56.36 | wOlfLinG | Also, i need names for a ranged hero, melee hero and spell hero |
| 20:56.43 | wOlfLinG | Or ability based at least |
| 20:57.40 | Leaderboard | The SCV Hero, wich launches command centers or supply depots |
| 20:57.48 | Leaderboard | as the broodlord |
| 20:57.48 | wOlfLinG | ... |
| 20:57.54 | wOlfLinG | And GOOD ideas? :D |
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| 20:58.20 | wOlfLinG | DarkRevenant! I need hero ideas! Nao! |
| 20:58.34 | DarkRevenant | a hero |
| 20:58.38 | DarkRevenant | who doesn't want to be a hero |
| 20:58.49 | DarkRevenant | but has no choice but to be one |
| 20:58.51 | A1win | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_characters_in_Heroes |
| 20:59.17 | DarkRevenant | perhaps someone who passively drains all life from around him |
| 20:59.23 | DarkRevenant | and consumes it |
| 20:59.28 | DarkRevenant | he must live a life of solitude |
| 20:59.34 | DarkRevenant | and only come out to make others face justice |
| 20:59.54 | DarkRevenant | kind of like a chaotic good |
| 21:00.06 | wOlfLinG | Ok... Nice story, but my map will probably not have lore :D |
| 21:00.23 | wOlfLinG | Because it's sorta DotA, rather than RPG :) |
| 21:02.55 | Dekar | how about |
| 21:03.05 | Dekar | a marine, a amrauder, a firebat and a ghost hero? |
| 21:03.07 | Dekar | :D |
| 21:03.13 | Skizot | walk into a bar? |
| 21:03.25 | Dekar | the marine orders 2 supply depots |
| 21:03.39 | DarkRevenant | never |
| 21:03.40 | DarkRevenant | ever |
| 21:03.42 | DarkRevenant | EVER |
| 21:03.45 | DarkRevenant | use sc2 units as heroes |
| 21:03.49 | DarkRevenant | my GOD that gets old fast |
| 21:03.52 | Dekar | xD |
| 21:04.10 | DarkRevenant | the lore is to envision a hero |
| 21:04.15 | DarkRevenant | to understand what its abilities would be |
| 21:04.21 | DarkRevenant | you don't have to explain a story |
| 21:04.22 | Dekar | so there was this marine |
| 21:04.25 | Dekar | and his lore is |
| 21:04.27 | Dekar | he fought some zergs |
| 21:04.28 | DarkRevenant | the hero should just make sense, fit together |
| 21:04.29 | Dekar | with his gauss rifle |
| 21:04.34 | Dekar | and once killed a hive |
| 21:04.40 | Dekar | xD |
| 21:04.44 | DarkRevenant | sure if you want a fucking marine as a hero |
| 21:04.49 | DarkRevenant | call him Sarge |
| 21:04.58 | DarkRevenant | say that his kill count is just absurdly high |
| 21:05.16 | DarkRevenant | and he's been desensitized to the point where he doesn't even care who or what he kills |
| 21:05.21 | Dekar | i know, make a marine called raynor who can switch weapons, that totally original! |
| 21:05.23 | DarkRevenant | he'll just kill whatever his duty tells him to |
| 21:05.26 | DarkRevenant | by any means necessary |
| 21:05.49 | DarkRevenant | so he'll have an arsenal of weapons that are dangerous and powerful |
| 21:06.00 | DarkRevenant | dangerous as in cause friendly fire |
| 21:06.09 | DarkRevenant | or be detrimental to his health |
| 21:06.21 | DarkRevenant | as in to use it you have to be up close or in a dangerously vulnerable position |
| 21:06.32 | DarkRevenant | but counterbalance it with other abilities that harken back to his toughness |
| 21:06.34 | DarkRevenant | survivalist things |
| 21:06.43 | DarkRevenant | so it's a play between putting yourself in danger and keeping yourself alive |
| 21:06.46 | Stewox | hi |
| 21:06.57 | wOlfLinG | Gonna be fantasy based, so stuff like a Blademaster unit, Archer, Magic Usetr etc |
| 21:07.39 | DarkRevenant | if you have to ahve a sword-wielding hero |
| 21:07.57 | DarkRevenant | make sure his focus is precision |
| 21:08.02 | DarkRevenant | not HACK HACK HACK HACK |
| 21:08.28 | DarkRevenant | his abilities would be |
| 21:08.30 | DarkRevenant | perhaps a single swing |
| 21:08.39 | DarkRevenant | or a fast series of attacks to a single spot |
| 21:08.56 | DarkRevenant | speed and precision |
| 21:08.59 | DarkRevenant | he doesn't have to be ninja |
| 21:09.08 | DarkRevenant | but even samurai had to be careful with their blade |
| 21:09.13 | DarkRevenant | katana don't last long under pressure |
| 21:09.47 | DarkRevenant | and the usual "herp derp i'm using a broadsword like a maniac" just doesn't get interesting enough |
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| 21:10.17 | Stewox | i have a question how do I add a simple splash AOE effect to a melee weapon , specifically for zeratul , so the splash damage works in an area of it's swing , i would know how to tweak that with ARC and radius but that's the easy part , the hard part is i don't know how to connect multiple effects or add them , for example like the stuff blizzard did ... multiple entries like ( Persistent ), (Search Area ), (Apply ); i have to b |
| 21:11.07 | Stewox | because i added Search Area + to the existing mele damage effect and it didn't work |
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| 21:16.31 | wOlfLinG | Think blizz will let me add the lich king to my map? :D |
| 21:16.59 | wOlfLinG | Cause i may make him a hero, and have spells like 'summon undead' etc |
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| 21:20.00 | Dekar | poor Stewox |
| 21:20.07 | Dekar | keeps getting ignored |
| 21:20.14 | DarkRevenant | you can use wow stuff |
| 21:21.34 | wOlfLinG | Thats good :) |
| 21:21.43 | wOlfLinG | Cause i was planning on using some WoW models |
| 21:21.53 | wOlfLinG | Such as a felguard for my Melee hero :D |
| 21:21.53 | Dekar | Stewox if you just edit the damage effect of the psi blades, search the field Search - Area+ and add your area for splash here? |
| 21:22.08 | Dekar | they dont fit it |
| 21:22.10 | Dekar | in |
| 21:22.13 | Dekar | D: |
| 21:22.55 | Stewox | well i did but it didn't work |
| 21:23.07 | Stewox | or i just didn't set it up properly |
| 21:24.27 | Stewox | because blizzard has everything separated into like usually 5 effects that are interconnected but i don't know how to add them to together well actually not in the unit it self now i get it , should i go to the effects and add the more effects there ? |
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| 21:25.04 | Stewox | but i don't need separate splash damage setting so i might do it in the same field |
| 21:25.06 | DarkRevenant | hmm |
| 21:25.35 | Stewox | maybe that's why they are making separate is to control splash damage and target hit damage |
| 21:25.39 | Dekar | if you have problems like that |
| 21:25.51 | Dekar | look for a melee unit with splash |
| 21:25.54 | Stewox | You can look into psi blades |
| 21:25.57 | Dekar | like a baneling |
| 21:26.09 | Dekar | and look how its done there |
| 21:26.38 | Stewox | here's the image where im at |
| 21:26.39 | Stewox | http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/ |
| 21:26.46 | Stewox | wah |
| 21:26.48 | Stewox | wrong link |
| 21:26.58 | Stewox | [img]http://www.shrani.si/f/w/ZK/49fhVqcm/searcharea-master-psi-bl.png[/img] |
| 21:27.36 | Stewox | http://www.shrani.si/f/w/ZK/49fhVqcm/searcharea-master-psi-bl.png |
| 21:28.01 | Dekar | well, my splash damage works |
| 21:28.15 | Dekar | when i just put something in the search area field of the damage effect |
| 21:28.20 | Dekar | you have to set the fraction to 1 |
| 21:28.24 | Dekar | for 100% splash |
| 21:28.30 | Dekar | maybe you left it at 0 |
| 21:28.36 | Dekar | then it probably deals no damage |
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| 21:31.45 | Stewox | LMAO yes i left the fraction to 0 |
| 21:31.50 | Stewox | facepalm |
| 21:31.53 | Stewox | well , tell me |
| 21:32.08 | Stewox | the stupid tooltips don't show up just where i need them |
| 21:32.48 | Stewox | everything that i already know there are tooltips for , but stuff that i don't , there are no tooltips meheh , thanks |
| 21:33.04 | Dekar | :D |
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| 21:33.45 | Stewox | ANyway to see how the ARC will work |
| 21:33.59 | Stewox | it's relative to the unit facing ? |
| 21:34.02 | Stewox | it has to be |
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| 21:34.37 | Stewox | then if i chose 180 which would fit perfectl as zeratul animation wings often very wide |
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| 21:41.03 | wOlfLinG | -.- WoW model viewer is not working properly |
| 21:41.42 | wOlfLinG | The 32 bit one doesn't show any models, and the 64 bit one just gives me errors and crashes |
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| 21:54.00 | wOlfLinG | Right, just realised that WoW isn't 100% downloaded yet. That could have been what my problems were :/ |
| 21:54.41 | Currydevil | hah |
| 21:55.35 | DarkRevenant | hmm |
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| 22:10.06 | wOlfLinG | D: Just got Deathwing killed by a zergling! |
| 22:11.18 | progammer | do we have deathwing models for importing yet ? |
| 22:12.10 | wOlfLinG | Check out Zarakks thread :) |
| 22:12.14 | wOlfLinG | And yeah, he's ingame |
| 22:12.22 | wOlfLinG | I punched him in the nose in WoW :D |
| 22:13.52 | progammer | i dont know anything about wow but you can beat him now even when the game is not released ? |
| 22:15.12 | Currydevil | not in WoW yet |
| 22:15.15 | wOlfLinG | Well he's escaped from his underground prison :) |
| 22:15.22 | wOlfLinG | So the world has changed |
| 22:15.26 | Currydevil | aye, he's torn up the landscape |
| 22:15.33 | wOlfLinG | And theres a few lvl 1-60 quests involving him |
| 22:15.47 | wOlfLinG | Mainly in the badlands, but they are also all over the place |
| 22:15.49 | Currydevil | but he's not available yet.. |
| 22:15.57 | wOlfLinG | Yeah, he can't be killed |
| 22:16.02 | wOlfLinG | Just punched in the face :D |
| 22:16.06 | Currydevil | or I would go find him and get that achievement to be killed by him |
| 22:16.14 | wOlfLinG | oh, you can get killed by him |
| 22:16.20 | wOlfLinG | Just luck really :/ |
| 22:16.22 | Currydevil | does it award the achievement? |
| 22:16.29 | wOlfLinG | He randomly appears in a zone and kills everything |
| 22:16.31 | wOlfLinG | yup |
| 22:16.35 | wOlfLinG | my alt has it |
| 22:16.41 | Currydevil | oh so he is doing that already.. |
| 22:16.43 | wOlfLinG | Only in lvl 1-60 zones though |
| 22:16.47 | Currydevil | thought that was in Cata |
| 22:16.50 | Currydevil | hmmm |
| 22:16.51 | wOlfLinG | nah :) |
| 22:17.01 | Currydevil | i'll need to hope I find him. |
| 22:17.04 | Currydevil | lol |
| 22:17.15 | wOlfLinG | Doesn't do it often though, which is why not many people have it :D |
| 22:17.22 | Currydevil | of course |
| 22:18.41 | Currydevil | well i'll just go do quests or something and wait for him. lol |
| 22:19.09 | Currydevil | after i finish my marine's charge ability |
| 22:19.16 | Currydevil | i need to make it look pretty now |
| 22:20.16 | wOlfLinG | Try badlands. that seems very Deathwing related :D |
| 22:20.36 | wOlfLinG | Although in the entire 1-60 i did, my char only saw Deathwing once :/. |
| 22:23.14 | DarkRevenant | hmm |
| 22:23.49 | wOlfLinG | Also, anyone know why you have to import the TGAs, restart the editor then import the m3s? Doesn't make much sense to me :/ |
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| 22:25.50 | Rayden | Star Battle is EU only? |
| 22:26.15 | progammer | Rayden: its on us |
| 22:26.21 | progammer | recently |
| 22:26.23 | Rayden | k |
| 22:26.27 | Rayden | similar to the map i was working on |
| 22:26.36 | Rayden | no respawn is iffy |
| 22:27.00 | progammer | kind of, but it make climbing the pop sys easier though |
| 22:27.10 | Rayden | pop sys? |
| 22:27.22 | progammer | popularity system |
| 22:27.28 | Rayden | why? |
| 22:27.36 | Rayden | play more games? |
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| 22:27.40 | Rayden | case the games are shorter? |
| 22:27.40 | progammer | i like calling it the pop sys from now on |
| 22:27.50 | progammer | you die early so you want to try again |
| 22:27.55 | Phaos | whos familiar with check boxes in dailogs? |
| 22:27.59 | Rayden | pop sys is based on # o games? |
| 22:28.08 | Rayden | did you guys ever figure out how to make lobbies work? |
| 22:28.16 | progammer | Phaos: kind of |
| 22:28.37 | progammer | Rayden: its based on game played, lobby do have some bugs but generally it works |
| 22:28.51 | Phaos | so I created a check box. that wasn't working because apparently it needs it's own event to determine if it is checked or not |
| 22:28.57 | Rayden | last i was working on my map, it was pretty much impossible to use lobby position for anything |
| 22:29.00 | Phaos | now |
| 22:29.01 | Rayden | so you couldn't set up teams properly |
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| 22:29.14 | progammer | the event is for when you check it or un check it |
| 22:29.22 | progammer | its underlying value can be called at any time |
| 22:29.39 | progammer | like you click ok then it take the value at the time you click the ok button |
| 22:29.39 | Phaos | not as a condition :P |
| 22:30.06 | progammer | its a boolean value |
| 22:30.07 | Helral | mews |
| 22:30.15 | Helral | meows s |
| 22:30.16 | Phaos | yeah I realise that |
| 22:30.22 | Phaos | and I figured that it would just work |
| 22:30.25 | Phaos | but it does not |
| 22:30.39 | Phaos | I had to create a seperate trigger to run the damn thing |
| 22:30.43 | Helral | had a keyboard failure ;p |
| 22:30.51 | Phaos | let me paste it so you can see what I mean |
| 22:30.57 | Helral | meows |
| 22:31.06 | progammer | Phaos: Untitled Variable 001 = ((Used dialog item) is checked for 1) <Boolean> |
| 22:31.14 | Currydevil | oh helral my charge is animated now, it looks cool |
| 22:31.15 | progammer | the number 1 is player paramater |
| 22:31.29 | Helral | ^^ |
| 22:31.40 | Phaos | haaaang on |
| 22:31.46 | Phaos | your not getting me :P |
| 22:32.04 | Helral | meows |
| 22:32.15 | Helral | what's going on Phaos? |
| 22:32.33 | progammer | i need OP power to mute a cat |
| 22:32.44 | Helral | is unmutable |
| 22:35.35 | wOlfLinG | Phaos, i'm good at dialogs. What is it you need to do? :) |
| 22:35.59 | Helral | throws wOlfLinG a bone. |
| 22:36.13 | wOlfLinG | grabs the bone and eats it in two bites |
| 22:36.27 | wOlfLinG | wags his tail, asking for more |
| 22:36.33 | progammer | commands wOlfLinG to bite Helral |
| 22:36.46 | Helral | throws 5 bones near progammer |
| 22:36.54 | wOlfLinG | bites helral really, really, reaaaaaaaaaally hard. Ouch! |
| 22:37.04 | wOlfLinG | doesn't care about Helrals bones |
| 22:37.10 | Phaos | http://paste.sc2mapster.com/2952/ |
| 22:37.11 | wOlfLinG | only wants Progammers |
| 22:37.14 | Phaos | there |
| 22:37.19 | Phaos | that should explain it |
| 22:37.26 | Helral | sees a wOlfLinG who hurts his teeth when trying to bite him really really hard |
| 22:37.37 | progammer | Phaos: you dont need the event part |
| 22:37.49 | progammer | when you check the dialog item it has the vaule |
| 22:38.02 | Phaos | ok so the trigger needs no event at all ? |
| 22:38.09 | progammer | no |
| 22:38.17 | Phaos | you mean yes ? |
| 22:38.24 | Phaos | yes, no event :P ? |
| 22:38.25 | progammer | you only want event when you want thing to happen right when you check it |
| 22:38.28 | progammer | yes no event |
| 22:38.33 | Phaos | ok :D |
| 22:38.39 | Phaos | thanks :) |
| 22:39.19 | Phaos | bloody confusing if you as kme |
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| 22:39.42 | Helral | not all that confusing ;p |
| 22:39.51 | Phaos | nope! |
| 22:39.54 | Phaos | that didn't fix it |
| 22:40.45 | Vail|College | hello Folks |
| 22:41.07 | Helral | when do you want to check the state of the diablog item? |
| 22:42.40 | Phaos | way later. it just needs to be a state that can be read once a dailog is processing all the options |
| 22:42.58 | wOlfLinG | 1) Is the check box assigned to a variable? |
| 22:43.11 | Helral | Phaos, just for fun try the following with the event - dialog item is clciekd, a wait of 0.00 and then a check if the value is checked or not. |
| 22:43.12 | wOlfLinG | 2) Are you calling the correct variable? |
| 22:43.26 | wOlfLinG | 3) Are you sure it's a check box? :D |
| 22:43.51 | Phaos | I am damn sure it's a check box :P |
| 22:43.56 | Currydevil | lol |
| 22:43.57 | Phaos | I am checking the check box in game :P |
| 22:44.11 | Currydevil | saved to a var? |
| 22:44.14 | Phaos | I have put debug messages in the trigger to assist :P |
| 22:44.19 | Phaos | yes indeed |
| 22:44.24 | Phaos | look at the paste bin above |
| 22:44.27 | progammer | in your events, instead of setting it again, debug the value out to the screen |
| 22:44.30 | progammer | true/false |
| 22:44.33 | Phaos | http://paste.sc2mapster.com/2952/ |
| 22:44.48 | Phaos | I have programmer |
| 22:44.59 | Phaos | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:44.59 | Phaos | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:44.59 | Phaos | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:44.59 | Phaos | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:44.59 | Phaos | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:45.00 | Phaos | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:45.00 | Phaos | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:45.01 | Phaos | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:45.01 | Phaos | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:45.03 | Phaos | Wow shit |
| 22:45.03 | Phaos | sorry |
| 22:45.11 | progammer | no remove the set thing |
| 22:45.17 | wOlfLinG | Phaos: Are you sure you are calling the correct array value? |
| 22:45.20 | progammer | you dont need to set it again, the events is to detect |
| 22:45.31 | Phaos | wait. |
| 22:45.38 | wOlfLinG | eg, setting <var>[5] and thinking it's <var>[6] |
| 22:45.45 | wOlfLinG | or vice versa |
| 22:45.48 | Phaos | programmer I thought you said it doesn't need an event. hense why I said it was confusing |
| 22:45.59 | progammer | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:46.03 | progammer | Dialog - Set CSDaiChkNewGame to Checked for (Player group((Triggering player))) |
| 22:46.06 | progammer | remove these lines |
| 22:46.19 | progammer | when you click it you set it, not need to set it otherwise |
| 22:46.26 | Phaos | wrong |
| 22:46.28 | Phaos | otherwise |
| 22:46.33 | Phaos | if you look at my paste |
| 22:46.47 | Phaos | you will see that all I would need would be the top portion before the first comment |
| 22:47.10 | Phaos | checking a check box, that doesn't then get checked if it's checked. means that it will never change states |
| 22:47.26 | Helral | try this just for fun Phaos: http://paste.sc2mapster.com/2953/ |
| 22:47.32 | Phaos | intuitivly that would be the case. but it's not |
| 22:47.33 | progammer | no its an underlying value |
| 22:47.38 | progammer | when you check it changes |
| 22:47.43 | Helral | wondering what it will say. |
| 22:48.06 | wOlfLinG | Phaos: try checking if the dialog item is true if possible |
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| 22:48.15 | wOlfLinG | That may work if you can do that |
| 22:48.26 | Helral | is creating a new map to test checkbox dialog items. |
| 22:48.30 | Phaos | omg |
| 22:48.33 | Phaos | *facepalm* |
| 22:48.36 | Phaos | thanks Helral |
| 22:48.37 | Helral | what? |
| 22:48.39 | Helral | lol |
| 22:48.41 | Helral | :) |
| 22:48.43 | wOlfLinG | doesn't care about Helral's feline stuff |
| 22:48.45 | Helral | it worked I guess. |
| 22:48.49 | Phaos | changing the variable state instead ofhte box state >.> |
| 22:48.51 | Phaos | durp |
| 22:49.01 | Helral | well yeah? |
| 22:49.12 | progammer | np, we're pleased to pwn noobs |
| 22:49.40 | Phaos | actually no that doesn't solve the issue |
| 22:49.47 | Phaos | *facepalm x2* |
| 22:49.59 | progammer | someone make him an example map with a check box |
| 22:50.19 | wOlfLinG | -.- Fine |
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| 22:51.18 | Phaos | in a perfect world all I would need is the condition to check if it's checked or not. |
| 22:51.19 | Phaos | because the dailog item would already have these functions |
| 22:51.27 | Phaos | but apparently I need to set them manually |
| 22:51.45 | Phaos | it doesn't matter that it already graphically has the two states |
| 22:52.03 | Currydevil | i have a map with check boxes I think.. let me look |
| 22:52.07 | Phaos | you still have to set weither it is "cehcked" or "unchecked" |
| 22:53.02 | Phaos | if I set the state on creation it works. |
| 22:53.08 | Phaos | so if it starts as checked |
| 22:53.09 | Helral | Phaos: testing it now in a testmap ;p |
| 22:53.17 | Helral | all I have is a dialog, checkbox and output |
| 22:53.18 | Phaos | then the trigger works |
| 22:53.25 | Currydevil | well i made my own alliance menu |
| 22:53.28 | Phaos | if it starts as false and I check it in game, it does not |
| 22:53.31 | Helral | maybe I should display the dialog... |
| 22:53.34 | Helral | facepalms |
| 22:53.40 | Phaos | durpa xD |
| 22:53.44 | Currydevil | nice one Helral |
| 22:54.43 | Currydevil | well, I used a "dialog item is used" event |
| 22:54.46 | Helral | Phaos: ok I get the correct output of checked or not.... using just the dialog item is checked function. |
| 22:55.09 | Phaos | yes but does it respect the way that I am intending to use it ? |
| 22:55.15 | Currydevil | to set alliances/vision |
| 22:55.25 | Helral | if checked it returns true, if not checked it returns false. |
| 22:55.42 | Dekar | oh look its helral! |
| 22:55.50 | Phaos | http://paste.sc2mapster.com/2954/ |
| 22:55.57 | Phaos | without changing what I just pasted |
| 22:56.01 | Phaos | make your check box work |
| 22:56.50 | Helral | I'll paste you my output trigger. |
| 22:57.01 | Helral | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:57.06 | Phaos | you see the trigger those two functions are from, does everything in one foul sweep |
| 22:57.06 | Helral | that's it. |
| 22:57.34 | wOlfLinG | I'll upload the map i made for you Phaos :D |
| 22:57.56 | Phaos | kaaay |
| 22:59.00 | Dekar | u so nice |
| 22:59.24 | Helral | I can get that to work without cvhanging anything to it, because it is correct. what might not be correct is the variable itself how it is set.... |
| 22:59.49 | wOlfLinG | http://www.megaupload.com/?d=OJQN7Y2U |
| 23:00.06 | wOlfLinG | Displays a debug message when changed |
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| 23:01.20 | Bibendus|AFK | yeee |
| 23:01.20 | Bibendus | is no longer away : Gone for 3 hours 9 minutes 11 seconds |
| 23:01.27 | Bibendus | now i can slap my servants |
| 23:01.28 | Bibendus | :D |
| 23:01.32 | wOlfLinG | Hai Bibendus! |
| 23:01.37 | Bibendus | haaaaa |
| 23:01.55 | Bibendus | who asked me for imp slapping? |
| 23:01.56 | wOlfLinG | Anyway, check out that map Phaos! |
| 23:02.07 | Bibendus | i m sure someone asked it |
| 23:02.09 | Phaos | What do you mean Helral. the variable is only set when the greater trigger is run, thats the point |
| 23:02.23 | Phaos | I don't want the variable to modify every time a player hits the check box |
| 23:02.36 | Stewox | HELLO |
| 23:02.38 | Phaos | all it needs to do is check if the check box is.. checked.. and then modify the variable to true |
| 23:02.48 | Stewox | how do i select all units of TYPE in editor |
| 23:03.46 | Stewox | i see overview manager is very useful , but you can't DO ANYTHING with it because it's .... USELESS Actually , what does a list of all units with coordinates help me if i can't DO anything with it , i can't delete them all with a single click , i can edit them , it's really weird |
| 23:03.51 | Phaos | what the heellllll |
| 23:03.55 | Phaos | there is a SWTICH action |
| 23:04.01 | Phaos | why did no one tell me this |
| 23:04.02 | wOlfLinG | Uh... yeah... |
| 23:04.11 | wOlfLinG | Cause it's always been there? |
| 23:04.12 | Phaos | I was using a general if then else :P |
| 23:04.19 | wOlfLinG | ^^ |
| 23:04.25 | Phaos | surely you would of gone "OMG U NEWB USE A SWITCH" |
| 23:04.34 | wOlfLinG | lol |
| 23:04.41 | Currydevil | You can use the switch |
| 23:04.46 | DarkRevenant | switch? |
| 23:04.47 | Currydevil | lol |
| 23:04.52 | wOlfLinG | :) |
| 23:04.53 | DarkRevenant | what does it just toggle 1 to 0 and vice versa |
| 23:04.55 | DarkRevenant | ? |
| 23:04.55 | Currydevil | I use the switch and the if/then |
| 23:04.57 | Phaos | thanks curry xD |
| 23:05.00 | Currydevil | but i'm complciated |
| 23:05.15 | Currydevil | I was going to show you my map phaos |
| 23:05.19 | Currydevil | but hel and wolf got to you first |
| 23:05.24 | Currydevil | I have switch + if/then |
| 23:05.34 | Currydevil | i made a custom alliance menu |
| 23:05.41 | Currydevil | just to see if i could make check boxes work |
| 23:05.41 | Currydevil | lol |
| 23:06.15 | progammer | the switch is just combined if then else |
| 23:06.15 | Phaos | xD |
| 23:07.30 | wOlfLinG | If <something> then <something> else if <something> then <something> = switch depending on <something>. if <something> then <something>. if <something> then <something> :) |
| 23:07.45 | wOlfLinG | So many somethings xD |
| 23:08.09 | Phaos | a switch is a switch and doesn't repeatedly check it's self over and over |
| 23:08.27 | Phaos | because it's condition is absolute |
| 23:08.46 | Stewox | lol if else |
| 23:08.53 | Stewox | ofcourse switch :) |
| 23:09.31 | Stewox | so anyobody knows how can i delete a whole bunch of units of same type in the editor ? |
| 23:09.51 | wOlfLinG | nope |
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| 23:10.03 | wOlfLinG | RodOfGDI! Hi! |
| 23:10.44 | Stewox | overview manager is so stupid why cant i deleteeee ! |
| 23:10.53 | progammer | this reminded me that I havent pirate CNC4 to see how bad it was |
| 23:11.03 | progammer | Stewox: the overview is just to view |
| 23:11.09 | wOlfLinG | progammer: it's bad |
| 23:11.17 | progammer | you can right click and go to their location to delete |
| 23:11.20 | wOlfLinG | So bad i got bored of playing it before the beta came out -.- |
| 23:11.44 | Stewox | Okay guys |
| 23:11.49 | progammer | wOlfLinG: knowing why smt is bad are good experience for game design |
| 23:11.51 | Stewox | but i have 250 of these units |
| 23:11.59 | Stewox | 250 !!!!! |
| 23:12.05 | progammer | preplaced ? |
| 23:12.08 | progammer | on terrain ? |
| 23:12.11 | Stewox | scattered on terrain |
| 23:12.14 | Stewox | everywhere |
| 23:12.20 | Stewox | observers |
| 23:12.20 | wOlfLinG | lol xD |
| 23:12.45 | wOlfLinG | Stewox, just create a trigger that kills all of them during map init |
| 23:13.09 | progammer | open terrain |
| 23:13.11 | progammer | zoom out |
| 23:13.16 | progammer | box select entire map |
| 23:13.17 | progammer | delete |
| 23:13.21 | progammer | profit ? |
| 23:13.23 | Helral | Phaos: I actually don't understand why you'd use a switch or if/then/else statement at all. |
| 23:13.24 | Stewox | ehmm im not that stupid |
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| 23:13.41 | Stewox | you see , there's a whole bunch of other units below |
| 23:13.56 | progammer | unarchive the map |
| 23:14.01 | progammer | open the objects file |
| 23:14.20 | Vail|College | helloo folks |
| 23:14.24 | Stewox | h |
| 23:14.25 | Stewox | hi |
| 23:14.31 | Stewox | Objects file ? |
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| 23:14.43 | progammer_ | damn i could get to the profit part |
| 23:14.45 | Stewox | oh you mean to do it manually |
| 23:14.54 | progammer_ | the map is an archive |
| 23:14.55 | Stewox | via galaxy code ? |
| 23:14.59 | Stewox | oh |
| 23:15.11 | progammer_ | so you unzip it somewhere using ladik's tool |
| 23:15.13 | Stewox | Sc2Map extension |
| 23:15.16 | Phaos | Helral I'm just confused at this point |
| 23:15.19 | Stewox | Rar or Zip ? |
| 23:15.23 | progammer_ | find the file where it store preplaced object |
| 23:15.25 | Phaos | between you and wolfling and programmer |
| 23:15.28 | Phaos | I'm totally confused |
| 23:15.30 | progammer_ | no mpq archive |
| 23:15.43 | Phaos | thanks for the help though xD |
| 23:15.53 | Helral | Phaos: just wondering but why don't you just set it like this: Variable - Set PlayerIsNew[(Triggering player)] = (CSDaiChkNewGame is checked for (Triggering player)) |
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| 23:16.00 | Stewox | isn't mpq similar or it's proprietary ? |
| 23:16.08 | progammer_ | http://www.zezula.net/en/mpq/download.html |
| 23:16.30 | progammer_ | find the file that store information for preplaced objects by notepad |
| 23:16.38 | progammer_ | seach and delete the one with observer |
| 23:17.08 | Phaos | Helral.. I don't even... what is that ? |
| 23:17.28 | Helral | it's simply: set variable to checkbox state. |
| 23:17.47 | progammer_ | Phaos: still confused ? |
| 23:17.49 | Stewox | thanks |
| 23:17.53 | Stewox | programmer |
| 23:18.02 | Helral | no if/then/else, no switch. |
| 23:18.03 | progammer_ | no wrong name !!!! |
| 23:18.09 | progammer_ | Stewox: !! |
| 23:18.15 | Stewox | LOL |
| 23:18.23 | Phaos | yeah I am but I'm getting wolfling to take a look at my map and explain it in context :P |
| 23:18.24 | progammer_ | i will demand correction from everyone |
| 23:18.24 | Stewox | PROGAMMER |
| 23:18.34 | Helral | hehehe |
| 23:18.35 | Stewox | facepalm |
| 23:19.13 | Stewox | anyways that should be taken to blizzard forums in the QA thread they need to fix with overview manager to enable delete command |
| 23:19.43 | progammer | not going to happen since its not the function of it |
| 23:19.47 | Stewox | if you click edit , only the bottom 2 are highlighted , it should have more functionality as then the full potential will be very useful , |
| 23:19.57 | progammer | opening the map archive is like overview manager, just that you can edit it |
| 23:20.14 | progammer | and make sure to re archive it back |
| 23:20.28 | Stewox | it servers the purpose for that better than just viewing , come on you know what i mean ... im not a noob (but i am with sc2 :P) |
| 23:20.44 | Stewox | well okay |
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| 23:21.16 | Stewox | ofcourse , i modded a lot , just never with blizzard games before |
| 23:21.37 | Kueken | hey |
| 23:21.39 | progammer | its bad practice to put 250 unit on the map |
| 23:21.50 | Kueken | I use web client now |
| 23:21.51 | progammer | you can organize that through trigger |
| 23:21.52 | Stewox | well i wanted to see everything |
| 23:21.57 | Kueken | my mirc cannot connect here |
| 23:21.59 | progammer | loop etc.. |
| 23:22.03 | Kueken | some1 help me? ;) |
| 23:22.23 | Stewox | there are more than 250 units , it's a mission map with everything elese under it |
| 23:22.24 | Helral | Stewox: enable/disable visibility: disable Fog of War. |
| 23:22.25 | progammer | Kueken: i have no idea about mirc, but the host is freenode |
| 23:22.48 | Kueken | ah xD |
| 23:22.54 | Helral | I can connect with mIRC. |
| 23:22.55 | Kueken | i will try |
| 23:23.11 | Stewox | Well yeah now see how my creative head is distant i didn't mod for like 1 year and SC2 just pulled me back again |
| 23:23.22 | Helral | Kueken: if it tries to connect to 7000 port, then disconenct and try again. |
| 23:23.35 | Kueken | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:24.14 | Kueken | well, maybe trying to connect 2 times is not that good |
| 23:24.31 | Kueken | but the main issue was that I never used anything except quakenet |
| 23:24.35 | Kueken | :D |
| 23:24.41 | Kueken | brb, hopefully |
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| 23:25.52 | nevjmac | my MIRC works fine :/ |
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| 23:26.19 | Helral | the server he mentioned doesn't respond for me. |
| 23:26.36 | RodOfNOD | are u having issues? |
| 23:26.42 | Helral | not me ;p |
| 23:26.56 | Helral | meows |
| 23:26.57 | RodOfNOD | [15:24] * SC2NappingKitten (Helral@84-245-39-229.dsl .cambrium.nl) has joined #sc2mapster |
| 23:26.57 | RodOfNOD | [15:25] * SC2NappingKitten (Helral@84-245-39-229.dsl .cambrium.nl) Quit ( Client Quit ) |
| 23:27.05 | RodOfNOD | ROARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR! |
| 23:27.12 | Helral | :P |
| 23:27.24 | RodOfNOD | been a long work week |
| 23:27.32 | RodOfNOD | been too tired to code when i get home |
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| 23:27.39 | Stewox | A |
| 23:27.45 | Stewox | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:27.54 | SC2MapsterKitten | meows |
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| 23:28.00 | Kueken | ? |
| 23:28.02 | nevjmac | hi |
| 23:28.03 | Kueken | do I work? |
| 23:28.08 | nevjmac | maybe ;P |
| 23:28.08 | Kueken | great! |
| 23:28.10 | Stewox | Zeratul has RESPONSE FLAGS , ACQUIRE enabled |
| 23:28.11 | Kueken | hey guys |
| 23:28.14 | SC2MapsterKitten | dunno Kueken do you? |
| 23:28.18 | Stewox | it should not be enabled |
| 23:28.43 | Stewox | because you can see that sometimes the AI knows where the stealth unit is and is follwing it but it can't attack it |
| 23:28.53 | Stewox | as problem with many other games |
| 23:29.01 | Kueken | wow, more ppl here than actually posting at the forums xD |
| 23:29.14 | progammer | Kueken: as always |
| 23:29.19 | Stewox | but i didn't see this isn sc2 yet when you are zeratul it seems fine , |
| 23:29.47 | Stewox | i've added Zeratul to the belly of the beast mission and the enemy zerg knows where zeratul is and they look at him and follow him |
| 23:30.18 | Helral | Stewox: I can also track invis units without an observer. |
| 23:30.22 | progammer | Stewox: if that mission the comp is given vision cheat |
| 23:30.40 | Helral | Stewox: they distort the terrain even though they're invisible. |
| 23:31.13 | RodOfNOD | omg they are killing kittens!!!! |
| 23:31.17 | Helral | Stewox: you just can't attack them untill you get a detector in range. |
| 23:31.20 | RodOfNOD | http://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2010/november/blizzardslate.jpg |
| 23:31.22 | Stewox | well yes, but it's that only graphical effect ? |
| 23:31.23 | SC2MapsterKitten | meows |
| 23:31.32 | progammer | i killed like 10 for that pics :P |
| 23:31.52 | RodOfNOD | :P |
| 23:32.07 | Bibendus|AFK | is now away - Reason : Auto-Away after 30 minutes |
| 23:33.06 | Helral | I'm off to bed |
| 23:33.08 | Helral | night all |
| 23:37.31 | Kueken | hm |
| 23:37.34 | Kueken | go to sleep |
| 23:37.45 | Kueken | or go try the data exercise? |
| 23:37.54 | Kueken | hard decision... |
| 23:38.06 | nevjmac | :P |
| 23:39.18 | nevjmac | anyone have any idea what the ability command index does? |
| 23:39.29 | nevjmac | does it refer to a position on the command card |
| 23:39.50 | Stewox | where |
| 23:39.53 | Stewox | show a pic ? |
| 23:40.00 | Stewox | -?* |
| 23:40.00 | nevjmac | ummm hang on |
| 23:40.31 | nevjmac | if you go to and effect with issue order its the ability - ability command field |
| 23:40.37 | nevjmac | an* |
| 23:42.15 | Kueken | almost every ability has multiple commands |
| 23:42.28 | Kueken | for example cast would be command index 0 |
| 23:42.33 | Kueken | and cancel would be 1 |
| 23:42.43 | Kueken | some more complex abilities have even more |
| 23:42.47 | nevjmac | ok so its nothing to do with the command card |
| 23:42.49 | Kueken | like build abilities |
| 23:42.56 | Kueken | each building has 1 index |
| 23:43.00 | nevjmac | and the location on the command card |
| 23:43.01 | Kueken | well |
| 23:43.07 | Kueken | not with the location |
| 23:43.23 | Kueken | but you need to specify the ability index for the button |
| 23:43.24 | nevjmac | damn, ok well is there an easy way to make all zerg units burrow in a search area :P |
| 23:43.40 | nevjmac | rather than having to make 10 different issue orders to the different types of possible units |
| 23:43.42 | Stewox | search ? |
| 23:43.44 | Lilianna | nevjmac, My Aura is only half done for your last challenge, boo! need to finish it. xD |
| 23:43.47 | Kueken | combine all burrow orders in a set effect? |
| 23:44.00 | nevjmac | yea thats a fair few of them |
| 23:44.05 | nevjmac | I was hoping to simplify it |
| 23:44.14 | nevjmac | Lilianna still post it up and I will take a look at it :D |
| 23:44.23 | Kueken | well, once done its done |
| 23:44.26 | Stewox | you can place an area on the terrain and make it a burrowin zone using triggers |
| 23:44.30 | Kueken | you can use the same set for all units |
| 23:44.30 | nevjmac | Just because a new one is up, doesn't mean the old one is dead :) |
| 23:44.42 | Lilianna | I think I will have to make two versions, because like the other person who did it found it worked better not as an Aura aura |
| 23:44.51 | Lilianna | I was just thinking of how to make an aura version |
| 23:44.53 | Kueken | whatever ^^ |
| 23:44.59 | Lilianna | shouldnt be much more work though. ^^ |
| 23:45.05 | Kueken | my last challenge submission is not an aura at all |
| 23:45.07 | nevjmac | awesome :D |
| 23:45.27 | Lilianna | I was making it a bomb you can spawn wherever and it would drain shields and explode after 5 seconds |
| 23:45.31 | nevjmac | hmmmmm this area will be moving though stewox |
| 23:45.33 | Lilianna | so the more targets, the bigger the boom! |
| 23:45.42 | Kueken | :) |
| 23:45.54 | Lilianna | no targets, it will fizzle |
| 23:45.55 | nevjmac | its going to be an ability to make enemy zerg units burrow |
| 23:46.12 | Kueken | so I am not the only one who thinks, the last challenge does not really fit an aura |
| 23:46.23 | Kueken | :p |
| 23:46.29 | Lilianna | nevjmac, Effect - Issue Order (Burrow) |
| 23:46.34 | Stewox | no it's not moving but you can disable it and in the same time enable the new one , making it very thight and with right timing it can be done |
| 23:46.34 | Lilianna | I think should work? |
| 23:46.37 | Kueken | he is aware of that ^^ |
| 23:46.43 | Lilianna | though theres a bunch of different burroes I think? |
| 23:46.50 | Kueken | there are like 10 different burrow abilities |
| 23:46.53 | nevjmac | thats what I am getting at |
| 23:47.01 | nevjmac | I don't want to have to make it 30 times for 3 levels of the ability >.> |
| 23:47.03 | Lilianna | Kueken, I just thought of how it could, if you were in a bound map per say |
| 23:47.23 | Kueken | yep, kind of my own thought process |
| 23:47.39 | Lilianna | nevjmac, You might be able to put all the issues orders in a list, and somehow it will call the correct one? |
| 23:47.53 | Kueken | nevjmac: you can create 1 set effect and use it for every level |
| 23:48.02 | wOlfLinG | Ok, i have fixed Phaos's problem |
| 23:48.11 | wOlfLinG | As it turns out, his checkbox was fine |
| 23:48.18 | wOlfLinG | So were all his variables |
| 23:48.18 | Phaos | lies |
| 23:48.26 | wOlfLinG | The problem: His fail debugging xD |
| 23:48.35 | Kueken | :) |
| 23:48.43 | Stewox | possible to make a moving area ? |
| 23:48.46 | Lilianna | Am I silly for wanting to make my WDE entries have a pretty layout too? |
| 23:48.53 | nevjmac | no |
| 23:48.54 | Lilianna | with an enemy base with mining units? >.> |
| 23:49.01 | nevjmac | lol |
| 23:49.02 | nevjmac | maybe |
| 23:49.03 | nevjmac | :P |
| 23:49.07 | Kueken | :D |
| 23:49.08 | Lilianna | I make the units automine with data! |
| 23:49.09 | Lilianna | its fun! |
| 23:49.21 | Kueken | xD |
| 23:49.25 | FockeWulf | >.> |
| 23:49.28 | Kueken | reminds me of my slow aura |
| 23:49.41 | Kueken | could use issue order triggers for my demo zerglings |
| 23:49.58 | Kueken | but made a behavior with initial effect to order patrol xD |
| 23:50.03 | nevjmac | looks like I will just take the long approach and add several issue orders to the units |
| 23:50.22 | *** join/#sc2mapster Victiln (~Fartsalot@0x5552cda6.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 23:50.22 | FockeWulf | lol reminds me of my fps engine >.> my clan m8 found a way to do it in the data editor |
| 23:50.49 | Stewox | what about making a REGION follwing a unit |
| 23:50.58 | FockeWulf | attach region to unit |
| 23:51.00 | FockeWulf | done |
| 23:51.01 | Lilianna | I eventually will make some boss fights, all scripted in Data :) |
| 23:51.05 | Kueken | when I first looked at the data editor, I thought blizz wanted to make the trigger editor obsolete |
| 23:51.14 | nevjmac | that would be done in triggers though yea? |
| 23:51.35 | Lilianna | regions are really only a trigger thing |
| 23:51.40 | Kueken | ye |
| 23:51.44 | Kueken | like dialogs |
| 23:51.46 | FockeWulf | corretion Kueken, blizzard is trying to make you wish you were dead in the data editor |
| 23:51.52 | nevjmac | lol |
| 23:51.55 | Lilianna | search area is the regions of data |
| 23:51.56 | nevjmac | data editor isn't that bad |
| 23:52.01 | Kueken | anyone made a data dialog yet? =) |
| 23:52.07 | nevjmac | sorry what |
| 23:52.09 | FockeWulf | fucking with actors is horrible |
| 23:52.09 | Lilianna | lol |
| 23:52.10 | nevjmac | o.O |
| 23:52.16 | Lilianna | Actors are fun! |
| 23:52.19 | nevjmac | ^^ |
| 23:52.22 | Kueken | actors can do incredible things :D |
| 23:52.22 | nevjmac | I agree lol |
| 23:52.30 | FockeWulf | Keuken i think you'd have to mod the UI itself to do that >.> |
| 23:52.30 | nevjmac | I love what I have done with actors |
| 23:52.30 | A1win | you can give actor messages via triggers, makes it much more logical for me at least |
| 23:52.38 | A1win | in data editor, everything is scattered all over the place |
| 23:52.40 | Lilianna | You should see what my bomb will look like. it will be awesome |
| 23:52.56 | nevjmac | can't wait just finish it alrleady :P |
| 23:53.04 | Kueken | more awesome than my shockwave things? ;) |
| 23:53.04 | Lilianna | I have class soon though. :| |
| 23:53.09 | Stewox | there's no way without triggers , that's just UIed galaxy code , it would be harder but also it's great to have it i mean your idea about this is a bit weird , the only company with a big editor like this , aside from flowgraph in crysis |
| 23:53.21 | Lilianna | It is very green! |
| 23:53.28 | Lilianna | because its made from a Dark Archon |
| 23:53.32 | Lilianna | the Green kind. :D |
| 23:53.48 | FockeWulf | meh, my clan m8 who textures is getting pissed at the stupid terran texture limit |
| 23:53.52 | A1win | isn't UDK quite advanced as well? |
| 23:53.53 | FockeWulf | I mean 8? come on |
| 23:54.08 | nevjmac | yea the 8 limit is a bit BS... |
| 23:54.26 | A1win | I thought someone said you can add more o: |
| 23:54.32 | nevjmac | you can swtich teh 8 |
| 23:54.34 | nevjmac | you can't add more |
| 23:54.42 | FockeWulf | And also I can't put any of my home made cg models into sc2 either >.> |
| 23:54.54 | FockeWulf | there is a converter but it only works less than half the time |
| 23:55.13 | FockeWulf | I mean to make an fps you got to use custom buildings and everything |
| 23:55.24 | FockeWulf | cause cliffs f up the cam something fierce |
| 23:55.28 | Kueken | anyone knows a good falling bomb model in the editor? |
| 23:55.32 | progammer | FockeWulf: watch vector, you dont need custom thing |
| 23:55.34 | Kueken | I know dozens of missels |
| 23:55.37 | Kueken | *missiles |
| 23:55.40 | Kueken | but bombs? |
| 23:55.41 | progammer | Kueken: so many banelings |
| 23:55.42 | nevjmac | host site operations! |
| 23:55.52 | nevjmac | rotate the misile models |
| 23:55.59 | Kueken | meh |
| 23:56.04 | Kueken | looks strange |
| 23:56.08 | Kueken | already did that |
| 23:56.13 | FockeWulf | and it would be 30x smoother of blizzfail didn't make it so the pan fuction also locked the cam input >.< |
| 23:56.17 | nevjmac | the only one I know is nuke |
| 23:56.18 | progammer | make me baneling carpet bombs |
| 23:56.18 | Kueken | or do you have a nice missile for that? |
| 23:56.42 | nevjmac | progammer you could always make a baneling carpet bomb :P |
| 23:56.51 | Kueken | progammer: I already got a overlord baneling carpetbomber unit in my map :D |
| 23:57.24 | FockeWulf | Hey if you take say a marine into 3dmax and cut it at the waste and make the top half a turret, would it keep the animations? |
| 23:57.46 | Kueken | but for the exercise I will use a more terran airstrike, I guess |
| 23:58.27 | FockeWulf | Reason: I want a marine that won't slide when it fires >.< |
| 23:59.57 | nevjmac | so we concluded to the issue order burrow that I would have to make it seperatly for each of the zerg units :P |
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