| 00:03.21 | Vail | JohnBello i have figured out how to sell a buff to a unit its rather simple .. |
| 00:03.47 | JohnBello | but is such a buff invisible stackable up to hundreds of times? |
| 00:04.13 | Vail | you just set the buffs flag to invisable and its maximum stack count to 100 |
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| 00:06.14 | Vail | i dont know how high the stack count the game can actually take its but you can set it to 99999999 |
| 00:06.34 | Tordy | is there a way to show the stack count of a behavior? |
| 00:06.45 | Vail | yes but it envolves actors |
| 00:06.55 | Tordy | like how |
| 00:07.29 | Vail | i created a text actor for each stack of my buff and then used actor events to create and destroy the actors as need |
| 00:07.46 | Vail | you have to count the power level of the buff wich increases by 1 with every stack |
| 00:08.05 | Tordy | yikes |
| 00:08.22 | Vail | yeah.. |
| 00:08.55 | Tordy | well i only need it for debugging purposes so it's not a big deal for me now |
| 00:09.14 | Vail | i see |
| 00:09.41 | JohnBello | so.. how to sell the buff to my unit..? |
| 00:09.49 | Vail | right sorry |
| 00:09.55 | JohnBello | no problem |
| 00:09.56 | Tordy | can you take a look at HybridC - Psionic Shockwave (Create Persistent) effect for me? |
| 00:10.34 | Tordy | i want the effect to execute at a unit's death |
| 00:10.37 | Tordy | i got it to work so far |
| 00:10.48 | Vail | ok you need a netural unit with an interact ability that allows for control then you give that unit an ability that has the apply behavior effect you want.. with the target set to caster. |
| 00:11.01 | Tordy | except the animation doesn't play at the unit's point but instead at the killer's point |
| 00:12.00 | Tordy | changed Target - Location to Caster Unit/Point and it didnt do anything |
| 00:12.51 | Vail | Tordy that in the actors likely the attack actor ... im not good with those just yet but in a bit i can take alook if you like |
| 00:13.16 | Vail | i think its there anyway .. |
| 00:13.18 | Tordy | the actual search effect is working correctly |
| 00:13.23 | Tordy | just the animation is wrong |
| 00:13.33 | Vail | yeah its in the actors then |
| 00:17.38 | Vail | JohnBello: i would not recommend using the Xel'Naga tower as a shop unless you uncheck uncommandable |
| 00:18.09 | JohnBello | yeah thanks for the hint |
| 00:18.41 | Vail | heh i have to brb i hope you get your ability sorted out |
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| 00:32.21 | zergaddicteddude | :o |
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| 00:43.17 | JohnBello | hm vail well it seems to work kinda.. i dont know.. i have to select my unit now after clicking the ability and after that it does not apply the behaviour.. at least not always, it looks like it did once but thats all |
| 00:43.19 | JohnBello | im confused |
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| 00:46.47 | Vail | what is the stack count on the applied behavior? |
| 00:46.55 | Tordy | this is so cool |
| 00:46.56 | Tordy | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12660065/splog.jpg |
| 00:47.07 | Tordy | wish i can always do this without frames dropping to 2 |
| 00:47.13 | Tordy | JIGGA |
| 00:49.54 | zergaddicteddude | hi |
| 00:50.05 | zergaddicteddude | hello |
| 00:50.17 | zergaddicteddude | whats new? |
| 00:50.48 | Vail | well in about five weeks the year will be |
| 00:51.38 | Xaragoth | Well... I can tell you what's not new |
| 00:56.16 | JManV | what's the point of items having requirements, if it's not going to enforce them? |
| 01:07.38 | Deaod | its a feature that sounds awesome and would actually be useful |
| 01:07.55 | JManV | what is? |
| 01:08.24 | Deaod | items having requirements |
| 01:08.30 | JManV | indeed |
| 01:08.39 | JManV | but it doesn't appear to work |
| 01:09.02 | Deaod | then hope Blizzard will fix it |
| 01:09.58 | Deaod | they wanted to put out 1.2 by the end of the year |
| 01:10.13 | JManV | but it's blizzard |
| 01:10.22 | Deaod | i know :) |
| 01:10.28 | JManV | anyways i don't want to have to rely on that |
| 01:10.40 | JManV | but item requirements would be awesome |
| 01:10.56 | JManV | in general, the way items are implemented sucks |
| 01:11.50 | JohnBello | vail are you there?# |
| 01:11.50 | Deaod | if you can, cast a bit of galaxy magic (ie write a shitton of code) to make it work |
| 01:12.06 | JManV | yeah |
| 01:12.08 | Vail | i am here |
| 01:12.11 | Vail | mortal |
| 01:12.13 | JManV | i really wish i could make random items |
| 01:12.45 | Vail | but seriously this is weird sometimes it works sometimes it dosent |
| 01:14.03 | JohnBello | vail would you mind if i send you my map, and you`ll have a look at that attribute stuff? im stuck, i simply cant see the problem.. |
| 01:14.20 | Vail | i wouldnt mind at all |
| 01:14.31 | Vail | id like to have a look |
| 01:19.18 | currydevil | http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/4371/actorbroke.png|actor |
| 01:19.23 | currydevil | my actors don't like me |
| 01:20.50 | currydevil | nothing shows up with that actor =( however the reaper attack actor works just fine with the same effect event |
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| 01:40.16 | Magnevv | Anyone good with the data and or the trigger editor who mind helping me in solving an issue elegantly? |
| 01:41.24 | Magnevv | I have a building, which periodically spawns units, and I want it to continue to do that at certain intervals (this is of course no problem) |
| 01:42.04 | Magnevv | The tricky part is that I only want it to spawn a set amount of units, say 10, then stop. BUT if lets say 5 of those die, I want it to continue spawning units until it reaches 10 again |
| 01:42.36 | JManV | well |
| 01:42.47 | JManV | you could use a validator to determine if your condition is true |
| 01:42.53 | Magnevv | So I want it to always strive towards having 10 units spawned. And there may be a great number of these spread around, so there's the issue of knowing which one was spawned by which |
| 01:42.55 | JManV | and have a behavior spawn the units |
| 01:43.08 | Magnevv | What would the condition be? |
| 01:43.20 | JManV | well, it can search an area |
| 01:43.45 | JManV | how could it tell the units apart? |
| 01:44.14 | JManV | is it by player? |
| 01:45.15 | Magnevv | That's the problem, the units all belong to the same player. So the units would have to be told apart by which unit created them |
| 01:45.46 | JManV | you might need triggers then |
| 01:45.53 | JManV | maybe a mixture |
| 01:46.05 | zergaddicteddude | sorry to inturupt but |
| 01:46.06 | Magnevv | yeah, but the only solution I've thought of isn't really elegant :\ |
| 01:46.09 | JManV | triggers can do that by adding them to a unit group after creation |
| 01:46.28 | JManV | then it's simply a matter of counting the living units in that unit group |
| 01:47.31 | Magnevv | I could have an array of unit groups yeah. But then I'd have to know the (maximum) amount of those buildings yeah? Since arrays aren't dynamic I mean |
| 01:47.53 | JManV | you would, yes |
| 01:48.05 | JManV | you could reasonably set it to 100 or more |
| 01:48.18 | Vail | Magnevv: do you mean spawning 10 diffrent units from each or 10 of the same unit? |
| 01:48.19 | JManV | 255 |
| 01:48.46 | Magnevv | the units spawned are all of the same type Vail |
| 01:49.03 | Vail | then you could likely use the spawn behavior |
| 01:49.25 | Magnevv | Spawn behavior you say? I haven't checked that out yet |
| 01:49.31 | JManV | yes but data isn't going to remember what building spawned which unit |
| 01:50.08 | Vail | what do you mean by remember? |
| 01:50.30 | Magnevv | You sure? I'm just thinking, hatcheries seem to remember which larvas belong to which hatchery |
| 01:50.37 | JManV | interesting |
| 01:50.41 | JManV | you could look into that |
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| 01:51.08 | Stewox | ANYONE here ? |
| 01:51.14 | Vail | no no one is here |
| 01:51.14 | JManV | nope ;) |
| 01:51.19 | Stewox | cool |
| 01:51.22 | JManV | not a soul |
| 01:51.25 | Stewox | very late here :P |
| 01:51.34 | Stewox | i got a quicke |
| 01:51.36 | Magnevv | That looks very interesting Vail, thanks a lot, I'll look into it. |
| 01:51.48 | Vail | no problem |
| 01:51.49 | Magnevv | Thanks to you too JManV |
| 01:51.53 | Stewox | where do i change upgrade cost / build time |
| 01:52.06 | Stewox | for campaign maps |
| 01:52.12 | JManV | on the ability of the building |
| 01:52.17 | JManV | wait |
| 01:52.20 | Stewox | for example Protoss Air Armor upgrades |
| 01:52.29 | Stewox | yes i searched a lot i didn't found it |
| 01:52.41 | Stewox | i forgot a lot since beta |
| 01:52.49 | Stewox | didn't mod for a whole summer |
| 01:53.11 | JManV | there it is |
| 01:53.23 | JManV | ability - cubernetics core - research |
| 01:53.28 | Stewox | and apparently whole autum |
| 01:53.33 | JManV | ability - info + |
| 01:54.08 | Stewox | yes it was so thinking about it may be in the building it self and it is , thanks |
| 01:54.17 | Stewox | Also |
| 01:56.06 | Stewox | i don't know where to change RADIUS params in various effects , weapons , motherboard recall , psionic storms ... etc i have searched for so long then i found something in where you apply ugrades and you have all the params there , any other way to see all params eleswhere ? |
| 01:57.07 | JManV | Search - Areas + ? |
| 01:57.16 | Stewox | lol |
| 01:57.18 | Stewox | where ? |
| 01:57.20 | Stewox | Areas ? |
| 01:57.22 | Stewox | hmm ? |
| 01:57.23 | JManV | depends |
| 01:57.26 | JManV | effects |
| 01:57.34 | Stewox | it's not called RADIUS , it's calle AREA ? |
| 01:58.00 | Stewox | because i see radius in params but i never found it elsewhere (parent) to normally edit it |
| 01:58.16 | JManV | there's an effect type called "Search Area" that's used to enumerate targets |
| 01:58.20 | Stewox | but I also saw Area too , so it's not the same , 2 different things |
| 01:58.29 | JManV | and the usually apply another effect or behavior |
| 01:59.01 | JManV | actually it has to be an effect |
| 01:59.02 | Stewox | well yeah i guess it's pipelines of different stuff that actually makes the resulting damage/effect |
| 01:59.16 | JManV | yeah |
| 01:59.26 | Stewox | but there's a lot of links to search man |
| 01:59.37 | JManV | but the radius starts at the effect type "search area" |
| 01:59.52 | JManV | in the "Search - Areas +" section |
| 02:00.41 | JManV | so for example: Mothership - Vortex Search Area |
| 02:00.54 | JManV | you can see the radius |
| 02:00.57 | JManV | 2.5 |
| 02:01.08 | JManV | and it applies the effect "Mothership - Vortex Effect" |
| 02:02.56 | JManV | hmm |
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| 02:03.05 | JManV | how can i check a requirement in a trigger? |
| 02:03.20 | Stewox | that's the problem |
| 02:03.26 | Stewox | i don't see Search Aeras |
| 02:03.33 | Stewox | i see only Stats on "S" |
| 02:03.44 | JManV | huh? |
| 02:03.48 | Stewox | yes |
| 02:03.51 | Stewox | weird |
| 02:04.12 | JManV | what does that even mean? |
| 02:05.04 | Stewox | what ? |
| 02:05.14 | JManV | i see only stats on s |
| 02:06.33 | Stewox | nevermind already found it , "S" - letter |
| 02:06.54 | Stewox | it was inside the effects of the vortex ability |
| 02:06.58 | Stewox | freaking deep man |
| 02:07.07 | Stewox | Search Area indeed |
| 02:07.58 | Stewox | well this editor is even 10 times better when you actually get the whole learning curve out , but getting there ugh it's a challenge :) |
| 02:08.35 | JManV | indeed |
| 02:08.38 | Stewox | Also what is a Persistent , "Create Persistent" |
| 02:08.46 | JManV | no idea on that one, sorry |
| 02:08.47 | Stewox | i think someting "indefinitely" |
| 02:08.58 | JManV | search on sc2mapster for persistant |
| 02:09.02 | JManV | there's articles |
| 02:09.04 | Stewox | im not actually knowing what means in english ... so |
| 02:09.19 | Stewox | but it sounds like something is "permanent" ? |
| 02:09.25 | JManV | yes |
| 02:09.41 | JManV | close to at least |
| 02:09.43 | Stewox | okay then ... shouldn't be making that much advanced stuff yet ... |
| 02:11.40 | Vail | hmm damn i hope blizz fixes this stuff BEFORE BDoTA |
| 02:11.47 | Stewox | hmm there's also event horizon (in vortex's case) search area , seems like more cntrol , maybe one for the effect when it pulls units in and the other one for the size of the graphical wormhole , should figure it out my self now |
| 02:12.43 | Stewox | at least bug fixes in sc2 , for example utterly broken alt-tab , and so much lag in editor |
| 02:14.19 | zergaddicteddude | have you guys played starcraft broodwar ? |
| 02:16.14 | JManV | a little back in the day |
| 02:16.24 | Stewox | i should have ... had a lot of chances but i was stuck with C&C so long |
| 02:16.37 | JManV | C&C was awesome |
| 02:16.58 | Stewox | until ea broken it and was still loving it in C&C3 |
| 02:17.05 | Stewox | but it... sadly ... |
| 02:17.17 | JManV | red alert 2 i think was when it peaked |
| 02:17.19 | Vail | what the hell this makes no sense |
| 02:17.29 | Stewox | well good news EA finally gave it to new developer |
| 02:17.40 | Stewox | but's it's still an EA owned developer |
| 02:17.59 | Stewox | I was heaviliy thinking of making a RA2 mod , it's in my thughs for like a wek |
| 02:18.02 | Stewox | week * |
| 02:18.18 | Stewox | anyone want's to join me ? |
| 02:18.40 | Stewox | i still have Red Alert 2 and YR installed , on win7 x64 :D |
| 02:19.27 | Stewox | never really had this game off the HDD for like days , always first install after win7 setup |
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| 02:20.12 | Magnevv | Bah, I keep getting disconnected :s |
| 02:20.21 | Magnevv | Any known issues? |
| 02:20.36 | Magnevv | Disconnected from this irc that is |
| 02:22.30 | Stewox | One bug or incorectness is that the BLINK ability is always teleporing instantly , how can i modify it to be used on TARGET LOCATION so that the units actually WALK to the available range and then teleport to the selected location |
| 02:22.43 | Stewox | That's like the biggest annoyance in logic in the game |
| 02:25.16 | JManV | yeah i don't care for that either |
| 02:26.30 | Stewox | what ? |
| 02:26.33 | Stewox | why not ? |
| 02:26.53 | Stewox | why either ? |
| 02:27.03 | Stewox | what was the other thing |
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| 02:28.45 | Vail | of all the stupid ! |
| 02:29.02 | Dryeyece | Does anyone know if its possible to offset a teleport ability, or to be more accurate have an ability thats instant cast, as in requires no target and teleports the caster for example 5 units backwards? |
| 02:29.31 | Stewox | so are you asking the same thing like me ? |
| 02:29.48 | Magnevv | nah, that's a different question |
| 02:30.03 | Magnevv | It should be possible yeah Dryeyece |
| 02:30.11 | Vail | hmm |
| 02:30.21 | Stewox | i found out that teleport doesn't have a search are therefore setting it to work like for example templar using psi storm actually walking and activating on range ... |
| 02:30.22 | Magnevv | Also, your thing is probably also possible Stewox, since that's how most abilities work. You just have to find the difference |
| 02:31.17 | Magnevv | Ok, so Stewox |
| 02:31.37 | Magnevv | I can see that the blink ability actually has 500 range (thats the max range) |
| 02:31.53 | Magnevv | Then the effect is to kinda teleport in that direction |
| 02:32.07 | Magnevv | Try changing the range of the ability to 8, then see what happens |
| 02:32.34 | JManV | that'd probably be the targetable range |
| 02:32.56 | Stewox | yes that's exactly what i wanted to note out , the placement is 8 in teleport |
| 02:33.08 | Stewox | what about chaging 500 to the same as teleport ? |
| 02:33.31 | Stewox | ... ah stupid , that would just limit the mouse cursor area selection then |
| 02:34.28 | Stewox | afaik |
| 02:35.48 | Magnevv | Ok, so I actually tested it |
| 02:35.51 | Magnevv | and my method worked |
| 02:35.58 | Magnevv | Go to the ability, change the range to 8 |
| 02:36.22 | Magnevv | then when you blink the stalker will walk until it's in range, then blink |
| 02:36.56 | JManV | awesome |
| 02:38.14 | Magnevv | thumbs up |
| 02:38.24 | Dryeyece | so how would you offset a teleport to a point via an instnat effect ability as opposed to an effect target ability? |
| 02:38.52 | Dryeyece | ive been trying to do it with a persistent effect to no avail |
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| 02:41.29 | Vail | a seach effect that targets point i thinkl |
| 02:42.35 | Dryeyece | no way to make a search effect target a point that I know of, unless there is some sort of unit there for it to find |
| 02:43.16 | Dryeyece | I think instead of teleporting my hero to the unit damaging it then teleporting the hero backwards 5 units, im just going to create a hallucination in front of the target lol |
| 02:43.31 | Magnevv | So in this case you want an ability like "blink 10 steps forward"? |
| 02:44.26 | Vail | hmm let me work on something |
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| 02:46.30 | Dryeyece | yeah |
| 02:46.31 | Dryeyece | basically |
| 02:47.18 | Dryeyece | basically if I can make an ability that you push a button and immediately teleport 5 units forward I could accomplish what I want to do |
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| 02:52.32 | Stewox | Thanks a lot MAgnevv |
| 02:52.51 | Stewox | i also thought it would work but didn't test yet , you beat me to it :p |
| 02:52.53 | Magnevv | No problem Stewox |
| 02:53.00 | Magnevv | haha |
| 02:53.22 | Magnevv | Well, I was in the neighborhood |
| 02:54.10 | Stewox | we need to notify blizzard about this, since i think it's a valid method and i think it's a bug , 500 also seemd lke default , maybe they didn't figure it out. |
| 02:54.32 | Magnevv | Hmmm, I don't know |
| 02:54.38 | Magnevv | It's handy in a lot of cases |
| 02:54.53 | Stewox | escape ? |
| 02:54.58 | Stewox | the way that it is now ? |
| 02:55.05 | Magnevv | yeah, escape or speed increase |
| 02:55.15 | Stewox | well indeed |
| 02:55.17 | Magnevv | just like, I want to move as far as possible in this direction |
| 02:55.29 | Stewox | everything has it's pluses and minuses :) |
| 02:55.43 | Xapti | how do you get a X or Y component from a point? |
| 02:55.51 | Magnevv | although it does make it a bitch to for instance shift-blink-shift up cliffs |
| 02:56.06 | Magnevv | I think there's a buildt in function for that Xapti |
| 02:56.11 | Stewox | but this can be avoided just trying to use a target location of 8 , a few tries and your used to the range |
| 02:56.21 | Xapti | what is the function called then magnevv |
| 02:56.57 | Magnevv | X of Point |
| 02:56.59 | Magnevv | Y of Point |
| 02:57.33 | Xapti | they won't appear on my set real variable action |
| 02:57.51 | Xapti | what variable does it use |
| 02:58.25 | Magnevv | I guess Stewox, another solution would be to leave it as it is now, but change the behavior if the area you want to blink to is a certain "pathing distance" away |
| 02:58.42 | Magnevv | it's a function from point to real |
| 02:59.15 | Xapti | why the hell can't i see it |
| 02:59.32 | Stewox | yes , that's the annoyance when you want to cross those canyons |
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| 03:00.00 | Stewox | a few always use up the charge and stuck on the same size |
| 03:00.02 | Stewox | side |
| 03:00.10 | Xapti | I've got a real variable. I made a new action to set it's value. I cannot find a function in the list called X or Y of point |
| 03:00.15 | Magnevv | Hmm Xapti, are you sure that the variable you are entering it into is a real? |
| 03:00.21 | Xapti | yes |
| 03:01.00 | Xapti | oh huh i just found it |
| 03:01.03 | Magnevv | I'm not sure what to tell you, it's there, I'm looking at it right now |
| 03:01.07 | Xapti | i dunno why thehell it owuldn't show before |
| 03:01.18 | Magnevv | Oh good, yeah that's strange |
| 03:01.27 | Xapti | oh well thanks |
| 03:01.49 | Magnevv | You're welcome |
| 03:02.06 | Xapti | I think it must be some kind of bug |
| 03:02.22 | Xapti | because it was int for a while, and i changed it quite a while ago |
| 03:02.33 | Magnevv | Yeah, that might be it |
| 03:02.45 | Magnevv | I mean, it's foolish to assume that the editor doesn't have those bugs |
| 03:02.46 | Xapti | but still must have listed the int functions even though they said they were real functions |
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| 03:03.10 | Magnevv | it's not like it's extensively tested before release |
| 03:03.28 | Xapti | cause now there's so many less functions to choose from it seems than before |
| 03:03.37 | Stewox | What actually Stats- Period means , Reload time ? |
| 03:03.55 | Magnevv | In weapons? Yeah it's the time between shots |
| 03:04.02 | Magnevv | I think |
| 03:04.17 | Stewox | ah time between shots , between each shot in a clip |
| 03:04.36 | Stewox | or aren't there clip sizes and shots per clip (well that's basic stuff ) |
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| 03:06.30 | Magnevv | I really haven't explored that, but no units in the game use any sort of clip method. Although there might be something to support it in the editor |
| 03:07.02 | JManV | there's ammo support in the editor |
| 03:07.08 | Vail | arm magazine... i think |
| 03:07.10 | JManV | i don't know how much, but there's some |
| 03:07.18 | Vail | might work like that a little |
| 03:07.30 | Vail | and use magazine |
| 03:07.30 | Magnevv | Alright |
| 03:07.37 | Stewox | should be, the carrier has ammo :) |
| 03:07.44 | Dryeyece | Ok so the hero I was teleporting happens to have a very unique robotic pet that fights with her right |
| 03:07.46 | Stewox | and magazine probably |
| 03:07.56 | Vail | ok |
| 03:07.58 | Dryeyece | so I just teleport her to him lol |
| 03:08.10 | Vail | ah |
| 03:09.19 | Stewox | what about teleporting in a way to fire a point target effect that creates the same unit in the selected point and destroyes the source when complete .... if that helps anything ? |
| 03:11.30 | Xapti | damn.... no easy way to get x component or y component of a unit's velocity I guess is there? |
| 03:11.47 | Xapti | that's going to take some work |
| 03:12.04 | Magnevv | Yeah, if you don't see any function there for it :\ |
| 03:12.21 | Magnevv | Might have to resort to good old distance over time |
| 03:12.31 | Magnevv | What are you trying to do? |
| 03:13.42 | Xapti | a real bitchy problem |
| 03:14.13 | Xapti | Object A has known velocity and start pos. Objcect B has known SPEED and start pos |
| 03:14.36 | Xapti | I need to find collision position for A with B, assuming B's angle will collide with A |
| 03:15.42 | Xapti | or technically find angle B to hit A might be the first step |
| 03:15.51 | Xapti | but I'd prefer to just find the point if i can |
| 03:16.13 | Magnevv | Are you doing a math assignment while working with the starcraft editor? :P |
| 03:16.24 | Xapti | naw this is for my map :\ |
| 03:17.55 | Magnevv | Wait, what's the difference between velocity and speed here? :P I mean normally we say that speed is the absolute value of velocity, but something tells me thats not what you're working with here |
| 03:19.05 | Xapti | speed is without direction |
| 03:19.31 | Xapti | so i know the speed of b (which is the same as data editor speed value) but not the angle it needs to aim to collide with A |
| 03:19.44 | Xapti | I know both the speed and angle of A (velocity) |
| 03:22.04 | Stewox | ok guys , if you found anything on the blink tell me , im normally up quite a few hours early than now (like 10 maybe , like it's really late now) bye gonna get some sleep |
| 03:25.57 | Magnevv | ah, right |
| 03:26.12 | Magnevv | Let me think about it |
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| 03:42.06 | Xapti | it's ok to have 1 variable declared and assigned in the variable section depend on another variable declared in that section? |
| 03:42.21 | Xapti | as long as the dependency was declared first? |
| 03:42.36 | Xapti | or should it be in the actions section with set variable? |
| 03:43.04 | Magnevv | just test it, but it should work |
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| 03:44.28 | Magnevv | Xapti, this is more of a math issue then an editor issue, isn't it? |
| 03:45.08 | Xapti | what, the declarations? |
| 03:45.20 | Magnevv | the angle problem |
| 03:45.30 | Xapti | yes the angle problem is more of a math issue |
| 03:46.33 | Xapti | unit property movement speed (current) returns the speed the unit is moving at, or it's max speed? |
| 03:47.13 | Xapti | I guess I might need to test it |
| 03:47.55 | Vail | .5 seconds is too long i need to make the delay my sheilds are down smaller |
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| 03:50.47 | Magnevv | What's that Vail? :P |
| 03:51.31 | Vail | when my hero has 20 plus marines on him and his shield goes down those .5 seconds get him killed |
| 03:52.27 | currydevil | yay I fixed my attack impact animations |
| 03:52.33 | Vail | sweet |
| 03:53.16 | Magnevv | What ability is this? Did I not see some part of a conversation? :P That just came out of nowhere for me |
| 03:53.37 | Vail | sorry its just out of the blue |
| 03:53.57 | Magnevv | ah |
| 03:54.08 | Vail | its part of my Tech Artificers abilities the Second chance Shield |
| 03:54.45 | Vail | the Tech Artificer can spawn a shield generator that when a units HP is bellow 10% it casts a shield on them ... |
| 03:55.36 | currydevil | all I had to do was change the impact model for the one actor i already had working |
| 03:55.46 | Vail | cool |
| 03:56.00 | currydevil | now i just need to set up some better random offsets |
| 03:56.08 | currydevil | I think at least, i need to include some negative values |
| 03:59.08 | Magnevv | Vail, how about doing that in a different way? |
| 03:59.30 | Vail | what way? |
| 04:00.28 | Magnevv | You can have a behavior, which is a shield that the Tech Artificer casts on everyone. But you set "Behavior (Disable)" to a validator that checks if the unit is under 10% health |
| 04:00.42 | Magnevv | of course that also means that the shield will be gone if the unit heals |
| 04:00.53 | currydevil | well, that goes around the idea of his hero |
| 04:00.56 | currydevil | to create units |
| 04:01.00 | currydevil | or items rather |
| 04:01.36 | Vail | well the concept of the artificer is that he builds things turrets towers and items |
| 04:01.43 | Magnevv | Not sure if I get it, I don't know the map or anything |
| 04:01.56 | Magnevv | ah, right |
| 04:02.08 | Magnevv | but you could still have the whole spawn shield generator bit |
| 04:02.57 | Vail | its a complicated mix of effects and validators |
| 04:03.08 | Magnevv | yeah, I just made something pretty close to it though |
| 04:03.14 | Vail | and the behavior of the shield its self has like five validators on it |
| 04:03.53 | Tordy | hi mep |
| 04:04.11 | Magnevv | just have this setup: Spawn shield generator has a behavior with a periodic effect which applies a buff to all friendlies in the area. This buff has a longer duration than the period of the previous buff. And this buff has the "Behavior-Valiadators(Disable)" bit |
| 04:04.49 | Magnevv | Or just increase the period :p But this just seemed more elegant |
| 04:05.04 | Tordy | too much heat |
| 04:05.26 | Vail | thats basicly what i am using |
| 04:06.32 | Vail | but my shields also die if the unit leaves the range of the generator AND if the generator takes more the 90 % damage |
| 04:06.49 | Magnevv | Yeah, but I bet you have the validator on whether or not to apply the buff, right? |
| 04:07.21 | Vail | i do have one there but i think it only tests to see of the unit is protoss |
| 04:07.58 | Vail | i had an issue with my settup causing all protos shields to restore 100% |
| 04:13.25 | Magnevv | Ah |
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| 04:14.21 | Magnevv | Well, it's a method to think about, I think I'd work smoother. Although I can't really tell the exact workings of your spell |
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| 04:21.30 | Vail | its basicly a multi target verstion of Psi Shield |
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| 04:29.23 | Magnevv | Haven't used that ability :p |
| 04:29.26 | Magnevv | it's in the campaign? |
| 04:30.57 | Vail | yes |
| 04:31.13 | Vail | tosh's shield |
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| 04:51.29 | Vail | i should soo be working on the second hero for my map but meh |
| 04:56.11 | Tordy | how do i get that distortion effect |
| 04:59.14 | Tordy | hi Vail |
| 04:59.25 | Vail | hello |
| 05:03.00 | Vail | tis enough for me this eve im off for bed |
| 05:03.15 | Tordy | noooo |
| 05:03.16 | Tordy | :( |
| 05:03.29 | Vail|Bed | sorry |
| 05:05.45 | Xapti | what's with the super dreadfully slow speed of sc2mapster wiki |
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| 06:22.42 | Tordy | youach |
| 06:22.43 | Tordy | ! |
| 06:28.19 | nolliepoper | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:34.10 | RodOfNOD | i love how blizzardd has mercshit called hels angles instead of hells cuz of copyrights or just being newb |
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| 06:50.19 | RodOfNOD | anyone alive? |
| 06:50.47 | RodOfNOD | anyoneever heard of the outbackhunters unit its a modified hellion? |
| 06:51.10 | RodOfNOD | or block b reapers? |
| 06:52.28 | currydevil | no idea |
| 06:52.43 | Matt438 | (01:35:10) <RodOfNOD> i love how blizzardd has mercshit called hels angles instead of hells cuz of copyrights or just being newb |
| 06:52.51 | RodOfNOD | hehe |
| 06:52.54 | currydevil | but does anyone know if there is alimit to periodic offsets I can put on a persistent effect? |
| 06:52.55 | Matt438 | They were actually just keeping with their norse mythology theme |
| 06:53.00 | Matt438 | thor, odin, valhalla |
| 06:53.14 | currydevil | i have 52 =| |
| 06:53.17 | RodOfNOD | how does that keep with the theme? |
| 06:53.36 | Matt438 | Hel is a figure in norse mythology |
| 06:54.12 | RodOfNOD | ok so the angelspart? |
| 06:54.25 | Matt438 | Hell's Angels are a biker gang, it doesn't fit well with the game. Hel fits with the other ingame unit names |
| 06:54.32 | Matt438 | and the angels part is just an ironic play on words |
| 06:55.10 | RodOfNOD | lol of course hells angels are a biker gametaht was my original point |
| 06:55.20 | RodOfNOD | anyways did u play the campaign? |
| 06:55.25 | Matt438 | Yes I did |
| 06:55.40 | RodOfNOD | FieldHire Block B |
| 06:55.41 | RodOfNOD | TooltipHire 4 Block B Reapers.<n/><n/>Block B was part of an elite Dominion unit that went AWOL during the opening days of the Zerg invasion. Now it acts as rebels and mercs, taking jobs for cash and robbing from the Dominion whenever it can. |
| 06:55.44 | RodOfNOD | werethose guys in it? |
| 06:55.47 | RodOfNOD | sdfsdfsd |
| 06:55.58 | RodOfNOD | thatsa tool tip for some reapers |
| 06:56.06 | Matt438 | I don't think so |
| 06:56.12 | Matt438 | they might've been removed |
| 06:56.20 | RodOfNOD | yes im sure they were but |
| 06:56.22 | Matt438 | block b are now tanks in the campaign |
| 06:56.31 | RodOfNOD | ic |
| 06:56.50 | Matt438 | from the tosh mission |
| 06:56.53 | Matt438 | but they have normal stats |
| 06:57.05 | RodOfNOD | how bout an orbital strike force of reapers? |
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| 06:57.41 | Matt438 | I believe orbital strike was the barracks upgrade |
| 06:57.48 | Matt438 | that worked like warp gates with drop pods |
| 06:57.58 | RodOfNOD | kthen its just old shit |
| 06:58.04 | nevjmac | dynamic pathing blockers are just units yea? |
| 06:58.15 | RodOfNOD | yes i think so nevjmac |
| 06:58.22 | nevjmac | so will aoe attacks damage them |
| 06:59.03 | currydevil | dynamic pathing blockers? |
| 06:59.17 | RodOfNOD | trying to make this as accurate as possible Matt438 -http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12240115/mercs.JPG |
| 06:59.21 | nevjmac | yea I have a problem with them atm... they are there, then If I use an aoe ability near them they disapear |
| 06:59.33 | currydevil | ah |
| 06:59.49 | currydevil | all i know about them is they block all pathing on the height level you place them |
| 06:59.55 | currydevil | unless i'm thinking of something else |
| 07:00.02 | nevjmac | yea thats what they do |
| 07:00.08 | nevjmac | but what I don't get |
| 07:00.13 | nevjmac | is they are flagged invulnerable |
| 07:00.20 | nevjmac | so they shouldn't receive damage |
| 07:01.20 | Matt438 | RodOfNOD, that special forces drop ship actually isn't usable by the player in the campaign |
| 07:01.28 | Matt438 | the one between the banshee and viking |
| 07:02.05 | RodOfNOD | not part of the actual campaign or its just mnot usable? |
| 07:02.24 | Matt438 | It was for the NPC to give you units |
| 07:02.29 | RodOfNOD | kgood |
| 07:02.32 | RodOfNOD | then it should be there |
| 07:02.33 | RodOfNOD | :P |
| 07:03.06 | RodOfNOD | was the tauren space marine ever used by anything? |
| 07:03.28 | nevjmac | ummmm I know the murloc marine is an easter egg in the secret mission where you see the ARES |
| 07:03.35 | nevjmac | dunno about the tauren space marine |
| 07:03.43 | RodOfNOD | k |
| 07:03.53 | Matt438 | What about the raven? |
| 07:04.02 | RodOfNOD | what about it? |
| 07:04.10 | Matt438 | I don't see it there and it's in the campaign |
| 07:04.17 | RodOfNOD | yes but its a melee unit |
| 07:04.22 | RodOfNOD | u would click onthe melee sectioontosee it |
| 07:04.32 | nevjmac | ok rod there is a tauren space marine in campaign |
| 07:04.38 | nevjmac | in the mission "zero HOur" |
| 07:04.43 | RodOfNOD | how did u find that so fasT? |
| 07:04.43 | nevjmac | he is at the far notheast section |
| 07:04.47 | nevjmac | with his outhouse |
| 07:04.48 | Matt438 | you can also unlock the raven in the campaign |
| 07:04.56 | nevjmac | google is a wonderful thing my freind rod :P |
| 07:05.02 | RodOfNOD | lol |
| 07:05.04 | RodOfNOD | ty |
| 07:05.05 | Matt438 | the stats might be different |
| 07:05.07 | Matt438 | let me check o_O |
| 07:05.12 | nevjmac | but I knew about the murloc marine |
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| 07:05.27 | RodOfNOD | Matt438 does the raven have any special powers from its melee cousin? |
| 07:05.49 | Matt438 | I think it is missing some abilities by default, let me double check |
| 07:06.44 | RodOfNOD | well i looked inthe camp and tehre is nothing under raven :PP |
| 07:07.24 | Matt438 | hm... it does seem to be the same lol |
| 07:08.13 | RodOfNOD | :P |
| 07:09.04 | nevjmac | anyone know why dynamic pathing blockers that are invulnerable are being destroyed by AOE? |
| 07:09.05 | RodOfNOD | there is maraauder called .... Dominion killteam does this exist in the campaign? |
| 07:09.19 | nevjmac | yea |
| 07:09.21 | RodOfNOD | does the aoe attackinvulnerable? |
| 07:09.21 | nevjmac | in the train mission |
| 07:09.32 | nevjmac | never knew it could |
| 07:09.34 | nevjmac | will have a look rod |
| 07:09.36 | RodOfNOD | are they purchaseable or just existing? |
| 07:09.40 | nevjmac | its an enemy |
| 07:09.47 | Matt438 | They are only used by the enemy in one mission |
| 07:09.48 | nevjmac | did you play the campaign? |
| 07:09.48 | RodOfNOD | k thus the reason there is no tooltip |
| 07:09.51 | RodOfNOD | or button |
| 07:09.54 | RodOfNOD | lol not much of it |
| 07:09.56 | RodOfNOD | never finished it |
| 07:10.02 | nevjmac | not a bad story |
| 07:10.03 | nevjmac | you should |
| 07:10.26 | RodOfNOD | i have played like 75% |
| 07:11.03 | nevjmac | then you should know about the killteam o.O |
| 07:11.20 | RodOfNOD | im old |
| 07:11.23 | RodOfNOD | i forget easily |
| 07:11.28 | RodOfNOD | shit i dont need to retain |
| 07:11.40 | nevjmac | lol |
| 07:11.46 | nevjmac | it still damages invulnerable units :/ |
| 07:11.48 | RodOfNOD | i have 4 models that just wont show |
| 07:11.51 | RodOfNOD | i have no idea why lol |
| 07:12.09 | RodOfNOD | u turned off the aoe damage that does invulnerale damage? |
| 07:12.24 | RodOfNOD | check for splash seperately or something |
| 07:12.37 | nevjmac | I created teh ability it only has one damage effect :/ |
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| 07:14.06 | nevjmac | i'll try excluding it in the searc |
| 07:14.40 | nevjmac | that did it o.O |
| 07:14.47 | RodOfNOD | :> |
| 07:14.55 | nevjmac | that is stupid |
| 07:15.01 | nevjmac | the bloody thing is invulnerable |
| 07:15.02 | nevjmac | XD |
| 07:15.48 | nevjmac | ty :) |
| 07:16.37 | nevjmac | hows your dialogs coming |
| 07:17.15 | RodOfNOD | reallywell |
| 07:17.25 | RodOfNOD | killed a ton of bugs with helral earlier |
| 07:17.47 | nevjmac | gotta love bugs fixing :) I don't mind with triggers data bug fixing /wrists |
| 07:18.02 | RodOfNOD | hehe |
| 07:20.18 | nevjmac | gee there isn't a lot of flexibilty with upgrading behaviours |
| 07:20.56 | JManV | you can stack them |
| 07:21.27 | nevjmac | fair point. I may take that approach |
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| 07:33.56 | Tordy | maybe |
| 07:34.01 | Tordy | you're just makin excuses |
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| 07:39.28 | brandon___ | guyz |
| 07:39.37 | brandon___ | how do u change vespene icon on top right? |
| 07:40.01 | currydevil | give it lots of lovin |
| 07:40.10 | currydevil | ask it nicely |
| 07:40.18 | currydevil | otherwise, I have no clue ;) |
| 07:40.28 | brandon___ | ?? |
| 07:40.52 | brandon___ | what do u mean? |
| 07:40.57 | currydevil | you asked.. i gave you a less than desireable answer |
| 07:41.09 | currydevil | I don't know how to change it >.> |
| 07:41.23 | nevjmac | rofl |
| 07:41.26 | nevjmac | search forums |
| 07:41.32 | nevjmac | there are multiple threads about changing the icons |
| 07:41.34 | currydevil | but atm this looks as close to a response as you'll get =| |
| 07:41.41 | currydevil | thanks Nev ;) |
| 07:41.57 | nevjmac | meanwhile anyone know much about damage response? |
| 07:43.14 | RodOfNOD | brandon u have to import a file that has the path and then change it there butidont remember thedetails like theysaid its on the forums |
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| 07:43.38 | nevjmac | I'm trying to make a retribution aura where attacks will return damage onto themselves. but have no idea how the damage response works and there are no clear answers on the forum |
| 07:47.35 | RodOfNOD | icanthelp u sorry |
| 07:48.25 | nevjmac | hmmm looks like I may be writing my first tutorial if I can figure it out |
| 07:49.49 | currydevil | hehe |
| 07:49.57 | currydevil | i fixed my reapers ability |
| 07:50.08 | currydevil | now I just need to add in a decent set of offsets |
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| 08:06.26 | nevjmac | damage response not working >.< |
| 08:07.07 | nevjmac | thats probably cause I have no idea :P |
| 08:16.39 | currydevil | haha |
| 08:17.25 | nevjmac | I dunno if its meant to be a negative or positive |
| 08:17.29 | nevjmac | or what fields to edit |
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| 08:38.31 | Mephs | dudes |
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| 08:55.51 | Tordy | Mephs |
| 09:00.29 | Tordy | Mephs hehehe |
| 09:00.30 | Tordy | EHEHHAH!! |
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| 09:10.41 | currydevil | yay, there's a limit of 32 periodic offsets for persistents. |
| 09:10.49 | currydevil | so much for 52 points =( |
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| 11:56.40 | A1win | think I got it |
| 11:56.43 | ducky | yes |
| 11:57.03 | ducky | do you see this in red Magnevv ? |
| 11:57.19 | Magnevv | oh yeah, I do |
| 11:57.25 | Magnevv | Problem solved |
| 11:57.45 | ducky | yeah, thank you very much :D |
| 11:59.17 | Magnevv | No worries |
| 12:00.01 | A1win | mmh dunno how to fix the stutter when turn-walking left/right |
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| 12:00.19 | A1win | increasing fov only made it more noticable :P |
| 12:00.41 | BDmon | do u have one boolean for that movement? |
| 12:00.41 | BDmon | or 2? |
| 12:00.57 | A1win | one |
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| 12:01.01 | BDmon | hmm |
| 12:01.18 | A1win | or well it's a looping action, its state controlled by booleans |
| 12:01.42 | A1win | I still think it's because of the follow camera |
| 12:01.48 | A1win | it stutters when it's too close to the target |
| 12:01.55 | A1win | and sinec the character turns, she's closer to the camera |
| 12:01.59 | A1win | *sinec |
| 12:02.00 | A1win | -.- |
| 12:02.03 | A1win | *since |
| 12:02.40 | A1win | increasing distance might help but the problem with high distance is that then doodads and terrain can get more easily between the camera and the character |
| 12:02.42 | BDmon | how can i check if shift+e is pressed, not with AND condition apparently |
| 12:02.48 | BDmon | hm |
| 12:02.51 | BDmon | tricky |
| 12:03.16 | A1win | what do you mean? |
| 12:03.45 | A1win | you need to save them to booleans and check if the other is pressed when the other one is |
| 12:03.45 | BDmon | i got a key press event |
| 12:03.53 | ducky | A1win what is trigger thread flag? From what you said I got that it's the same as "run trigger and wait untill it finishes" only for action? |
| 12:04.13 | A1win | you mean action? |
| 12:04.19 | BDmon | brb |
| 12:04.20 | A1win | well kind of |
| 12:04.33 | A1win | ducky, you mean where to find it? |
| 12:05.04 | A1win | you can only set it for custom actions, there's the "Create thread" flag in the action options at the top of its definition |
| 12:05.07 | ducky | no i mean what it does |
| 12:05.20 | A1win | it creates a thread so it can be executed independently |
| 12:05.21 | A1win | like |
| 12:05.28 | A1win | you have a trigger: do action A, do action B |
| 12:05.45 | A1win | if A is not threaded, then the trigger waits till A is finished (because it's executed in that trigger's thread) |
| 12:06.00 | ducky | ah , thanks |
| 12:06.04 | ducky | understood :D |
| 12:06.09 | A1win | a thread is like a set of instructions that can only be executed in that order |
| 12:06.36 | A1win | if you have 2 threads, the computer will execute them "at the same time" by changing the thread very fast all the time |
| 12:07.37 | A1win | hmm |
| 12:07.50 | A1win | BDmon, it's not the follow cam bug.. I tried increasing distance and it still stutters |
| 12:09.24 | A1win | meh dunno, I'll probably not use the free cursor mode myself anyway |
| 12:10.44 | A1win | although it could be useful for the civilian game o: |
| 12:11.15 | A1win | it's not that bad though... |
| 12:11.28 | A1win | mmh I'll try using pan camera instead of follow unit group |
| 12:12.23 | A1win | the follow cam is only needed with mouse look since pan camera locks out mouse rotation |
| 12:13.04 | A1win | :D it fixed it even if I leave the follow group on |
| 12:13.25 | A1win | just had to add the pan when rotating the camera without mouse look |
| 12:14.18 | A1win | err |
| 12:14.28 | A1win | except if I do that, I can't zoom the camera while running without mouse look |
| 12:15.00 | A1win | damn |
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| 12:22.24 | Ousnius | hi |
| 12:25.43 | Stewox | hi |
| 12:28.33 | A1win | BDmon, so... I have a fix for that stutter but it disables zooming while walking without mouse look on >.< |
| 12:29.34 | Stewox | I have a big question |
| 12:30.01 | Stewox | I think the logic used in Colossus and Mothership weapons is too simple |
| 12:30.38 | Stewox | the laser rays don't really act like 2 , it's just a GFX , and then a single weapon deals the damage with a slight but noticable delay |
| 12:31.44 | Stewox | Is there a possiblity making it dynamic so the damage is drained as the laser is progressing (scaning) and not dealt as an single impat at the end but as a AOE |
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| 12:33.03 | gexicide | Hi, can sombeody help me with galaxy scripting |
| 12:33.51 | Stewox | and AOE only being the sizes of each laser but i have no idea if the AOE can be set to specifical gfx radius , probably a workaround making it affect around the lasers but small enough so enemies don't die while standing by the laser |
| 12:34.32 | gexicide | please help me http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/galaxy-scripting-and-trigger-lib/15356-banks-not-working-as-intended/ |
| 12:34.36 | gexicide | I feel kinda silly |
| 12:36.00 | Magnevv | Actually Stewox, the colossus isn't as simple as what you say |
| 12:36.18 | Magnevv | it actually does scan across |
| 12:36.26 | Stewox | yes but the delay ... |
| 12:36.49 | Stewox | it should be synced with actual gfx no ? |
| 12:37.22 | Magnevv | I haven't really investigated it, but it would be resonable that it should |
| 12:37.32 | Magnevv | go to effects and filter by Colossus |
| 12:37.43 | Stewox | of course , definitely a bug if you ask me |
| 12:37.44 | Magnevv | you'll see that it's made up of 7 parts |
| 12:38.04 | Stewox | okay |
| 12:39.09 | ducky | hm, i've set up action defenition with thread flag on.. and it refuses to save, say "expected return value", even though i have "General - return true" at the end of action. If I uncheck "create thread" flag then map can save normally.. help |
| 12:39.51 | A1win | ducky, you can't return values from threads |
| 12:40.06 | A1win | because the trigger isn't waiting for it to execute |
| 12:40.08 | BDmon | A1win losing the zooming is not that bad is it? |
| 12:40.14 | ducky | YES! |
| 12:40.20 | ducky | set return to none |
| 12:40.20 | BDmon | why |
| 12:40.21 | ducky | :D |
| 12:40.22 | A1win | BDmon, but I like it :I |
| 12:40.26 | BDmon | ah |
| 12:40.27 | BDmon | :] |
| 12:41.21 | A1win | hmm |
| 12:41.29 | A1win | I wonder if it'd be possible to make a flight simulator =p |
| 12:42.00 | Obatztrara | just need a veeeeery good mover :P |
| 12:42.20 | Magnevv | Stewox Colossus sends out two beams, which searches, one moves left, one moves right. As they pass over (in 11 steps) they search the area for targets (in a small radi around the beam). Then if it hits a target it applies a buff that deals the damage delayed by 0.25 sec (no idea why, maybe it just looked cooler :P) |
| 12:42.46 | ducky | damn, there is a tutorial about multithreading on mapster which gives me idea to enchance every unit in computer attack wave with it's own AI! is it a good idea or or it will cause sierous performance drops? :s |
| 12:43.37 | Stewox | I have high end quad and the whole pc is quite new and i say that starcraft 2 is one hellofa unoptimized game ... unfortunately |
| 12:44.13 | Stewox | cool magnevv , well , told you there was definitely an artifical delay , got some skills of this after all :) |
| 12:44.25 | Stewox | i mean in general :p |
| 12:44.29 | Magnevv | ^^ keen eye stewox |
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| 12:44.39 | Stewox | anyways , that's solved then |
| 12:44.43 | Stewox | what about mothership |
| 12:44.46 | harl | wuff wuff |
| 12:45.16 | Stewox | well i should have no trouble looking for the same thing in mothership case my self , thanks |
| 12:47.16 | A1win | haha I just made my forward movement trigger change the unit's height based on camera pitch |
| 12:48.13 | ducky | hm, after looking at more threads at mapsted which have something to do with treads i've come to conclusion that each unit having it's own ai will resut in many threads working at once which is apperently bad? am i right? |
| 12:48.43 | A1win | ducky, depends on what the thread does |
| 12:49.17 | A1win | it's not about the number of threads, but amount of CPU load they cause |
| 12:49.38 | A1win | like if in each thread you do one simple action every second vs doing a very complex operation once every 0.1 seconds |
| 12:50.45 | Stewox | aaa |
| 12:50.50 | ducky | hm, the first idea is that therad il like "every 1 second order "picked unit" to move to targeted area while using abilities if there are enemies nearby" |
| 12:50.57 | ducky | *is |
| 12:51.01 | Stewox | Thermal Lances , create delay persistent ? |
| 12:51.38 | Stewox | aha Expire Delay 0.25 |
| 12:55.14 | ducky | The first structure that comes to mind would be "repeat forever" bracket with "wait 1 second" at the end of it and "break" if needed conditions are met, with a bunch of if-then-elses in the middle. Could this possibly work? |
| 12:56.44 | ducky | "repeat forver" can be replaced with "while".. hmm, i see that some people on forums said not to use waits in loops? :O |
| 12:58.27 | gexicide | please help me http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/galaxy-scripting-and-trigger-lib/15356-banks-not-working-as-intended/ |
| 12:58.39 | A1win | ducky, once every second is veeery low on CPU, you can do a lot of that |
| 12:59.28 | A1win | most triggers only take like 0.01 MILLIseconds to run, that's 0.00001 seconds |
| 12:59.50 | A1win | most as in not too much stuff in them :P |
| 13:00.07 | ducky | and once every 0.5 of sec? what is the point were i should worry about performance? |
| 13:00.10 | A1win | check the trigger debug window, it shows average/total run times for triggers |
| 13:00.41 | A1win | in my WASD controls I give the unit a move order once every 0.0625 seconds |
| 13:01.10 | ducky | say i plan on having said ai being run on 200 units at the same time, what would happent on low-end system?, OK I'll look into Debugger later :D |
| 13:01.13 | A1win | but that's just one unit |
| 13:01.22 | A1win | mm |
| 13:01.36 | Stewox | I think it was meant as a flame weapon so the enemies burn for a while before death , maybe actually a balance so it's not OPW , ,aybe esthetical nontheless but i can see it more technical reason because it's a hardcore game then actual realizm |
| 13:01.41 | A1win | what do you do in those triggers for each unit? |
| 13:02.22 | ducky | order them to move to a point, use abilities if there is an enemy nearby ( like blink/ storm) |
| 13:02.48 | A1win | so you check an area around the point for units? |
| 13:03.31 | ducky | the objective is to make waves move towards waypoints while looking smart and being capable of microing |
| 13:03.55 | A1win | mmm I did that for a map, but I don't have hundreds of enemies there |
| 13:04.15 | A1win | I check stuff once every 0.5 sec for units that have abilities like queen and infestor |
| 13:04.42 | A1win | and for all roaches in an attack wave to burrow if their health drops and stuff like that |
| 13:05.08 | A1win | but well I don't know any specifics how much time what actions take, so it's best found out by testing |
| 13:06.21 | ducky | yeah, but damn, even thinking about making individual units AI makes me exciting, so many possibilities, just hope that my expectations won't be crushed by harsh reality |
| 13:06.40 | ducky | *excited, i can't even spell right now D: |
| 13:07.18 | A1win | mine turned out pretty good |
| 13:09.34 | Obatztrara | anyone wanna help map testing? |
| 13:13.32 | ducky | hm, you think it's acceptable to give unit AI when unit is constructed and that will remain on unit until unit dies? ai would look into global variables and judging on what it'll see it will order unit to do different tasks? (like unit rushes to defend attacked outpost, or waits for comrades before attacking) |
| 13:14.33 | ducky | it would have alot of if-then-elses and i could bare with refresh frequency of 1 second |
| 13:14.53 | A1win | might be better to only give them a script when they need it |
| 13:15.12 | A1win | I use unit custom values to define what "state" the unit is on, like if it's attacking or defending |
| 13:15.33 | A1win | so I can easily check if I should give it a defender script or not |
| 13:16.00 | A1win | but depends on the map I guess, I can just give them scripts when they aggro to an enemy |
| 13:16.22 | ducky | unit's custom value? tell me more |
| 13:16.39 | A1win | they're just real values |
| 13:17.06 | A1win | so I set constants like DEFENDER = 0.0, ATTACKER = 1.0, DEFENDER_AGGROED = 2.0 etc. |
| 13:17.15 | A1win | and then just set unit custom value 0 = DEFENDER |
| 13:17.29 | A1win | (that 0 is the custom value index, they can have multiple) |
| 13:18.15 | ducky | hm.. I see |
| 13:18.51 | A1win | I also made an action which sets the custom value based on a preset so it makes more sense when using it |
| 13:19.03 | A1win | Set unit role to Defender |
| 13:19.13 | A1win | and a function to get the role as a preset |
| 13:19.56 | A1win | alternatively you could just use unit groups |
| 13:20.06 | A1win | add unit to Defenders |
| 13:20.16 | ducky | yeah, that's what i've been using |
| 13:20.17 | A1win | and check if unit is in unit group Defenders, etc. |
| 13:20.56 | A1win | with that you can put them in multiple unit groups as well so it's more flexible |
| 13:21.33 | ducky | Thanks for all the information A1win , it's time to make some tests =D |
| 13:22.21 | A1win | the trigger debug window also shows action threads, they have "auto_" prefix in their name |
| 13:22.27 | A1win | I think... |
| 13:22.38 | A1win | yeah |
| 13:25.32 | A1win | let's see what happens if I set my movement loop period from 0.0625 to 0.01 :P |
| 13:26.09 | A1win | makes it even smoother :3 |
| 13:26.10 | ducky | oh one more thing that has been bugging me, when I order group of zealots/stalkers to go to a point, is there an easy way to make stalker stay behind zealots? ( since stalkers are faster they are usually in front and when ball engages enemy they block zealots from getting into front lines) |
| 13:26.16 | ducky | :O |
| 13:26.19 | ducky | good :d |
| 13:26.39 | A1win | uh.. dunno |
| 13:26.51 | A1win | order the zealots move first? ;p |
| 13:27.18 | ducky | doesn't help, stalks are much more faster than zeals |
| 13:28.12 | A1win | mm... you'd have to make some kind of AI that tells them to wait |
| 13:28.36 | A1win | one thing that still feels laggy in my map is that the unit turns only 2880 degrees per second at max :I |
| 13:29.04 | A1win | but it's just the animation |
| 13:29.06 | ducky | hm, probably will have to separate attack group into 2 subgroups -> Melee and ranged, Ranged will have a delay to follow melee |
| 13:30.56 | ducky | aah all the thinking about things I've never done before made me hungry |
| 13:34.46 | Dekar | just order the ranged to follow the melee? |
| 13:34.48 | Dekar | x_X |
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| 13:35.03 | Dekar | hmm yes |
| 13:35.05 | Dekar | you said that |
| 13:35.08 | Dekar | :p |
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| 13:51.29 | A1win | hmm |
| 13:51.37 | A1win | far clip starts fading a bit before it actually ends |
| 13:51.48 | A1win | is there a setting to define that? |
| 13:53.34 | A1win | or maybe it's where it ends actually.. |
| 13:58.07 | A1win | damn, I can see my skybox in places where farclip kicks in even if I have fog there |
| 13:58.30 | A1win | since I use the unit model skybox hack ;p |
| 13:58.49 | A1win | I guess I'll just design the map so that you can't see too far anywhere |
| 14:02.44 | Stewox | hi guys |
| 14:02.52 | Stewox | anything on game speed yet ? |
| 14:04.38 | Ousnius | I want patch 1.3 -.- |
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| 14:13.37 | Obatztrara | any data cracks here?;) |
| 14:14.23 | Obatztrara | I have a text actor created a floating msg when a behaviour is applied, that works |
| 14:14.28 | Obatztrara | create* |
| 14:15.03 | Obatztrara | but the msg is created on the unit that the behaviour is on, what I need is to have it created on the unit the APPLIES the behaviour |
| 14:15.11 | Obatztrara | any idea..? |
| 14:23.41 | A1win | damn this skybox has asteroids and stuff below the map, and since I scaled it so much it displays them too close... can't have holes in the terrain or the player can see them :I |
| 14:34.51 | Ousnius | is there a "kill unit when colldie with doodad" validator/behaviour"? o.O |
| 14:35.02 | Ousnius | collide* |
| 14:41.12 | Dekar | use a trigger! D: |
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| 14:44.17 | Stewox | is Psionic Rift usable ? |
| 14:44.35 | Ousnius | I'd have to use a periodic trigger |
| 14:44.40 | Ousnius | a 0.05 one |
| 14:44.41 | Ousnius | XD |
| 14:45.13 | Stewox | i see leftover Temporal Rift is usable but Zerh have Psionic rift with same button image like psi storm |
| 14:47.22 | Stewox | seems like it's only a button but it does not appear in abilities |
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| 15:17.21 | A1win | ooh cool, scientists have same animations as civilians |
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| 15:27.06 | Helral | meow |
| 15:27.13 | Helral | meows* |
| 15:29.45 | Helral | meows and awaits the echo in this channel without much sound. |
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| 15:32.01 | Helral | hmmm anyone wanna brainstorm about what is needed for quest generation? |
| 15:32.20 | BDmon | dynamic quests? |
| 15:32.24 | Helral | sortof ;p |
| 15:32.34 | A1win | what kind of quests? |
| 15:32.39 | BDmon | hmm lots of variables? |
| 15:32.40 | BDmon | :) |
| 15:33.05 | Helral | currently I have the following fields: QuestGenerationTrigger, QuestCleanupTrigger, Description, XP Reward, Quest Reward, RequiredUniqueRoom, Repetition and Chance. |
| 15:33.32 | BDmon | requireduniqueroom? |
| 15:33.46 | Helral | RequiredUniqueRoom and Repetition+Chance are mutual exclusive. |
| 15:34.07 | Helral | You can create unique rooms in my map. which have a specific setup. |
| 15:34.15 | Helral | think off the butcher's room in Diablo I |
| 15:34.20 | BDmon | well u need to track who did what quest |
| 15:34.41 | BDmon | and what quest follow after other ones, if u wanna do that |
| 15:34.41 | Helral | the quests are generated per dungeon level. |
| 15:34.49 | BDmon | ah |
| 15:35.36 | Helral | basicly when I generate a level I include random Unique rooms if they're available for that level. |
| 15:35.51 | Helral | for example a butchers room at level 2. |
| 15:36.04 | Helral | then if that rooms is spawned I can also spawn the quests that go with that room. |
| 15:36.05 | BDmon | and u connect a quest to it |
| 15:36.11 | BDmon | ye |
| 15:36.33 | Helral | the room then determines the chance that the quest becomes available and how often. and not the quest itself. |
| 15:36.46 | BDmon | well sounds good |
| 15:36.48 | Helral | although I might even combine the 2. |
| 15:36.51 | BDmon | u got it working yet? |
| 15:37.01 | Helral | say like the room has 50% chance of spawning. (this works) |
| 15:37.13 | Helral | and the quest has a 50% chance to be added if the room is spawned. |
| 15:40.02 | BDmon | bbiab |
| 15:45.19 | Obatztrara | anyone bored? I could use some help testing my map... |
| 15:46.30 | Helral | meows |
| 15:46.35 | Helral | what server Obatztrara? |
| 15:46.39 | Obatztrara | EU |
| 15:46.43 | Helral | 454 |
| 15:46.46 | Obatztrara | :> |
| 15:46.49 | Obatztrara | woot :D |
| 15:46.53 | Helral | meows |
| 15:47.01 | Obatztrara | Just give a minute to upload the current version |
| 15:47.05 | Obatztrara | me* |
| 15:47.05 | Helral | np. |
| 15:50.09 | Obatztrara | ok, Im ready: Obatztrara 110 |
| 15:50.26 | Helral | I'm already online |
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| 15:57.05 | A1win | hmm... made a dummy unit that takes a bit of lead from the character and made the camera follow that instead... but it made turning a bit weird, I guess I should somehow take into account that my camera isn't where the unit is |
| 15:57.29 | A1win | need to do a bit of math I suppose ;p |
| 16:00.06 | Bibendus|AFK | is now away - Reason : Auto-Away after 30 minutes |
| 16:00.31 | A1win | or meh the problem probably is just that the camera isn't where the unit is... |
| 16:00.47 | A1win | can't move the camera and have rotation point somewhere else |
| 16:05.18 | Matt438 | Do you have your character on follow command, or do both units respond to the WASD commands seperately? |
| 16:07.44 | two13 | can anyone point me in the right direction for enabling metabolic boost automatically through the data editor? i can do it through a trigger but is it possible through the data editor? |
| 16:08.17 | A1win | the dummy was just moved instantly relative to the unit's facing |
| 16:08.40 | A1win | but I got rid of it, it wasn't that useful anyway |
| 16:08.57 | A1win | the only problem is when the unit is running towards the camera or to the sides, can't see ahead of it at all |
| 16:09.12 | Matt438 | Yeah, blizz should make a better camera follow system, it's in pretty heavy demand |
| 16:09.18 | A1win | mm |
| 16:09.46 | BDmon | great! halfway a game and something glitches at blizzard and ofc i get thrown out |
| 16:10.34 | Matt438 | two13, you can just directly modify the unit giving it the changes that the upgrade provides |
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| 16:10.53 | A1win | meh I guess I've mapped too much for FPS games, can't come up with any ideas that I couldn't have done better for Half-Life 2 :P |
| 16:10.54 | Matt438 | all the upgrade does is change the wireframe, group icon, and modify the unit's speed |
| 16:10.56 | two13 | oh that's a good idea, thanks :D |
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| 16:26.26 | Xapti | what's an easy way to call up galaxy code via the GUI |
| 16:27.15 | Xapti | Like I don't want to do everything in galaxy, or mess up the GUI by doing too much galaxy stuff, but I want to call scripts sometime for certain things (like math especially) |
| 16:27.36 | Helral | Obatztrara: you ok? |
| 16:27.51 | Xapti | I think he ded |
| 16:27.52 | Xapti | died |
| 16:28.45 | RodOfNOD | go tothe menu NEW and pick NEW Custom Script Xapti |
| 16:28.50 | Xapti | i did tat |
| 16:29.03 | RodOfNOD | wellthere ugo |
| 16:29.07 | RodOfNOD | urdoing galaxy now weee |
| 16:29.18 | Xapti | yes but i'm asking how to call the scripts |
| 16:29.35 | Xapti | like how to do it via GUI |
| 16:30.26 | RodOfNOD | u have to create a frontend |
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| 16:30.50 | RodOfNOD | u make a gui function like normal and inside that u make it callur code |
| 16:31.21 | Xapti | oh, so I have to base it off a normal function |
| 16:31.35 | Xapti | (or essentially write the call events manually) |
| 16:31.55 | Xapti | *regular trigger instead of "normal function" |
| 16:32.26 | Xapti | I was hoping to have just small parts of the trigger be script |
| 16:32.38 | Xapti | but I guess I could use it like a subruotine |
| 16:33.12 | Xapti | make it's activation event trigger from the main trigger's action list |
| 16:34.25 | RodOfNOD | u can do that too |
| 16:34.50 | RodOfNOD | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:34.51 | Xapti | what would be the best even to trigger on? |
| 16:34.54 | RodOfNOD | there is theaction |
| 16:35.04 | RodOfNOD | u cando exactly what ujust asked |
| 16:35.06 | RodOfNOD | smallparts |
| 16:35.11 | Xapti | I didn't see any action for script... |
| 16:35.24 | RodOfNOD | type in custom |
| 16:35.24 | RodOfNOD | its there |
| 16:35.27 | Xapti | wait WTF |
| 16:35.31 | Xapti | why didn't it appear before |
| 16:35.37 | Xapti | two times i looked for it |
| 16:35.45 | Xapti | I typed in "script" into the search |
| 16:35.49 | RodOfNOD | itslike a magic trick |
| 16:35.55 | Xapti | yeah editor is so mysterious |
| 16:36.04 | Xapti | it keeps hiding stuff from me |
| 16:36.10 | Xapti | honestly, I've had like 4 cases of that |
| 16:36.21 | Xapti | like I think one situation was due to if i change avariable type |
| 16:36.39 | Xapti | it will show a list of functions for the old varable type |
| 16:36.54 | Xapti | even though it says it's for the curret variable type |
| 16:37.05 | Xapti | least that's what seemed to happen to me |
| 16:40.09 | Xapti | the custom script need to be contained in a function like other triggers and stuff? |
| 16:41.07 | Xapti | I wsh there was more documentation on basics like that, because I couldn't find any |
| 16:41.29 | Xapti | if you know of any links would be nice |
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| 17:02.23 | Stewox | how do i remove NO FLY ZONES ? |
| 17:02.56 | ducky | select it and press delete? |
| 17:03.14 | RodOfNOD | use anti anti aircraft guns |
| 17:03.45 | Stewox | well the mouse always uses some defaulted tool , where's the selection tool |
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| 17:04.09 | ducky | press spacebar to toggle to selection? |
| 17:04.42 | Stewox | ok works , now i found out ESC also works |
| 17:04.48 | ducky | =D |
| 17:05.36 | ducky | well, yet again I find myself lost in exciting world of trigger editor |
| 17:06.06 | ducky | guys can somebody help me, I have this problem concerning Threated action definitions |
| 17:06.20 | ducky | *threaded |
| 17:07.05 | Helral | meows |
| 17:07.26 | ducky | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:07.47 | Helral | people would hunt me down if I said no... so yeah. |
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| 17:08.33 | ducky | ok, here it comes, hope it's at least a bit understandable, so forgive me for my newbiness |
| 17:08.46 | ducky | I have action defenition, in this action I use another action defeinition(which is threaded). I pass a global variable(unit group) to threaded action. After using this action I clear global group variable. For some reason clearing global variable also cleares parameter variable in existing trigger action thread. |
| 17:08.58 | Stewox | How do i default the screen (angle and distance from ground) after i rotated the map |
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| 17:10.33 | Helral | hmmmm ducky can you pastebin some example code? (both action defs concerning the global var) |
| 17:11.05 | Helral | Stewox: does CTRL+SHIFT+C work? |
| 17:11.25 | Stewox | yes , thanks a lot |
| 17:11.35 | ducky | I'll try, never used pastebin before :D |
| 17:11.42 | Helral | Stewox: also listed under View->Camera |
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| 17:12.15 | Stewox | meh yes , was a bit of a lazy question |
| 17:12.49 | Stewox | should have found it but needed it so badly that just "ah where it is " , didn't notice it |
| 17:14.28 | Dryeyece | Good Morning Mapsters! 8-) |
| 17:14.38 | Helral | good evening |
| 17:15.29 | Obatztrara | hey |
| 17:15.41 | Stewox | good evening for me too :) |
| 17:15.47 | Stewox | snowing hard |
| 17:15.59 | Stewox | 10 cm already |
| 17:16.38 | Dryeyece | wow |
| 17:16.43 | Dryeyece | I wish it snowed where I live |
| 17:16.51 | ducky | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:17.10 | Helral | ctrl+shift+c to copy from the trigger editor. |
| 17:29.16 | ducky | almost done, by the way heral, is there anything newbies should know about waits in loops and threaded actions? |
| 17:30.19 | ducky | ah lol i always think heral instead of Helral |
| 17:30.28 | Helral | :P |
| 17:31.10 | Helral | hmmm. waits in loops are not handy unless you looping forever on nearly forever. |
| 17:31.37 | ducky | why so, is there something they do wrong? |
| 17:32.17 | A1win | they wait |
| 17:32.25 | A1win | :P |
| 17:32.26 | Helral | they interrupt the loop. so the next element in the loop isn't handled until after the wait |
| 17:32.34 | A1win | that's the point? ^^ |
| 17:33.18 | ducky | hm, i don't really know what to show you, but her's the problematic part in code, tell me if i need to paste something else http://pastebin.com/t7ABZLuM |
| 17:33.25 | A1win | if you want to trigger 100 things at the same time with each having waits, make a new thread of each of them |
| 17:34.46 | Helral | try using the unitgroup function: copy of unit group. |
| 17:34.55 | A1win | ducky, the unit group is a pointer |
| 17:35.02 | A1win | so yeah |
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| 17:35.25 | Helral | when calling the function/action. |
| 17:35.35 | ducky | so it doesn't copy variable, i uses it? |
| 17:35.40 | ducky | *it? |
| 17:36.55 | Helral | it copies the variable, but the unit group variable is a pointer. |
| 17:37.29 | Helral | so the pointer is copied and not the content of the unit group itself |
| 17:38.16 | ducky | ah, i think i get it |
| 17:38.57 | ducky | thanks, after using suggested function everything works now :D |
| 17:40.25 | A1win | actual_unitgroup {unit1, unti2, unit3} unitgroup_variable = actual_unitgroup, then when you send "unitgroup_variable" as a parameter, it just sends the "actual_unitgroup" part, not its contents |
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| 17:44.54 | Barrin | :) Hello everyone ^_^ |
| 17:46.36 | Obatztrara | hey |
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| 17:48.40 | JManV | hi friend |
| 17:49.08 | JManV | song is stuck in my head |
| 17:58.26 | Obatztrara | anyone interested in some map testing? ^^ |
| 17:58.37 | Obatztrara | (EU) |
| 17:58.52 | Helral | meows |
| 17:59.03 | Obatztrara | I fixed the hotkeys ;) |
| 17:59.15 | Helral | :) |
| 17:59.27 | Obatztrara | just a minute... |
| 18:01.14 | Obatztrara | ok, map is up! :) |
| 18:01.40 | Vail | hello every body |
| 18:01.46 | Vail | rock your body every body |
| 18:06.19 | Vail | gah this is why i am a data guy not a trigger person |
| 18:09.48 | JManV | i'm all about triggers. what's your problem? |
| 18:10.45 | Vail | i am trying to set it up that when every a unit in a unit group dies in a specific region |
| 18:10.47 | Vail | brb |
| 18:12.56 | Vail | ok back sorry |
| 18:13.26 | A1win | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-ZhVxoupQk |
| 18:14.14 | Vail | yes i am trying to set it up that when ever a unit in a unit group dies in a specific region it spawns a new unit in another region |
| 18:15.01 | JManV | ah yes, i remember from yesterday |
| 18:15.23 | JManV | trigger is unit dies |
| 18:15.30 | JManV | er, event |
| 18:15.52 | JManV | check with the function "Unit in Unit Group" |
| 18:16.14 | JManV | and then create unit of type (unit type of unit(triggering unit)) |
| 18:16.56 | JManV | then add that new unit to whatever unit group you want |
| 18:17.00 | A1win | how do I embed videos on the forums again? |
| 18:17.10 | JManV | i assume you have an array of unit groups? |
| 18:17.24 | Vail | i dont think so |
| 18:17.41 | JManV | ok |
| 18:17.44 | Vail | i dont know how to use them |
| 18:17.45 | JManV | does that make sense? |
| 18:18.20 | JManV | and array is a list, referenced by index |
| 18:18.29 | Vail | nod. |
| 18:18.33 | Vail | no array |
| 18:18.41 | A1win | nevermind |
| 18:22.24 | Vail | how would i set up a contdion so that it checks that the triggering unit is in the specefic region? |
| 18:22.54 | A1win | unit in unit group: units in region |
| 18:23.00 | A1win | dunno if there was a straight "unit is in region" condition |
| 18:23.09 | Vail | there is |
| 18:23.11 | JManV | units in region matching condition |
| 18:23.26 | JManV | wait |
| 18:23.34 | JManV | yeah, unit in region |
| 18:23.39 | A1win | mmm |
| 18:24.05 | JManV | on of my faves |
| 18:24.09 | JManV | one |
| 18:24.17 | Vail | but how do i set it up? |
| 18:24.35 | JManV | just "unit in region" vail |
| 18:24.52 | JManV | has two parameters: unit, region |
| 18:24.59 | A1win | (Triggering unit) is in regionname == true |
| 18:25.25 | Vail | when i try to add a condition it doesnt give me an opttion like that |
| 18:25.37 | A1win | "comparison" |
| 18:25.48 | A1win | you compare the "unit is in region" value to "true" |
| 18:26.04 | A1win | almost all conditions are comparisons |
| 18:26.38 | Vail | ah |
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| 18:33.11 | Vail | i cant figure it out ... sigh |
| 18:33.23 | A1win | where are you at? |
| 18:34.25 | A1win | new condition -> choose comparison, ok -> select the condition, click the first parameter at the bottom of the page, choose function menu, find "Unit In Region" (if that was the name)... |
| 18:34.43 | A1win | choose Triggering unit for the unit parameter and the region for the region parameter |
| 18:34.54 | A1win | and "true" for the right side of the condition |
| 18:35.36 | Vail | i have the condition created and i am trying to use unit in region |
| 18:36.32 | Vail | ah i see |
| 18:36.35 | Vail | sorry i have it now |
| 18:36.58 | Vail | so simple i missed it a couple of times |
| 18:37.15 | A1win | hehe |
| 18:37.49 | JManV | it takes a bit to get used to the editor |
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| 18:43.55 | nominal | hi, new to mapping, can you code triggers? I'd much rather write some of this stuff directly |
| 18:51.38 | BDmon | hi nominal |
| 18:51.46 | BDmon | yea u can use triggers for alot of stuff |
| 18:51.55 | BDmon | but data editor can be useful |
| 18:52.02 | A1win | that's not what he's asking ;P |
| 18:52.11 | BDmon | ah |
| 18:52.21 | BDmon | well u can write the code yourself aswell |
| 18:52.22 | A1win | you can do custom code but not quite sure about the details |
| 18:52.34 | BDmon | i wouldn't know what to write :P |
| 18:54.02 | JManV | there's some tutorials, but it's very difficult to reference game-world objects from a custom script |
| 18:54.49 | Vail | ok i think my game will work |
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| 19:06.42 | A1win | mmh are there any scavenging maps out there? I was thinking of one where you have a base in the middle of the map and the goal is to build some massive device or maybe construct a space ship, but there are enemies around so you also need to build defenses there... you get resources by finding all kinds of different machinery and electronics scattered across the map, and you can combine those to build devices and machines that will help you to reach ... |
| 19:06.48 | A1win | ... the goal |
| 19:07.11 | A1win | and you also rescue scientists who speed up development and can teach you know schematics to do stuff, all randomized so it's different each time |
| 19:08.37 | A1win | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notrium is a nice scavenging game |
| 19:09.42 | RodOfNOD | thats anice idea A1win |
| 19:09.54 | A1win | *new schematics |
| 19:09.56 | A1win | <.< |
| 19:09.58 | RodOfNOD | u should work with onetwo he has a start on that idea just not ur idea ::> |
| 19:10.15 | A1win | what's that exactly? o: |
| 19:10.31 | RodOfNOD | he was making a grr what do u call it lol |
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| 19:10.38 | RodOfNOD | bounds map |
| 19:10.49 | A1win | which is? :P |
| 19:10.52 | RodOfNOD | but he ran out of ideas at least last time i talk to him |
| 19:10.55 | RodOfNOD | a map where u dont attack people |
| 19:10.58 | RodOfNOD | for the contest |
| 19:11.10 | A1win | mmh |
| 19:12.07 | A1win | in Notrium, you're stranded on an alien planet and you have to take cover under trees when it's too hot, seek fire when it's too cold at night, kill aliens, scavenge all kinds of different parts to build turrets, new weapons, food generators, etc. |
| 19:12.21 | A1win | and eat of course ;p |
| 19:12.25 | RodOfNOD | hehe |
| 19:12.55 | RodOfNOD | i prefer maps without one goal to kill people |
| 19:14.09 | A1win | then there's the Half-Life modification Science & Industry where two teams compete each other, the gameplay usually being capture the "flag", but to juice it up you can also capture scientists from the enemy lab (you carry them on your shoulder) and bring them to your base, and the more scientists your team has, the faster they develop new weapons and equipment for you... and you can vote what your team develops next |
| 19:15.00 | RodOfNOD | ok so i got the campaign units added to the help screen hehe |
| 19:15.10 | A1win | it has cloaking devices, a radio that plays bad music so it disturbs the enemy scientists and they can't work :P and some mind altering ray weapon that decreases the effectiveness of them etc |
| 19:15.36 | A1win | mmh wondering what the danger would be if there was no killing? |
| 19:15.53 | A1win | the gameplay would be quite boring if you could just freely search for stuff |
| 19:16.10 | RodOfNOD | well i said justthat one goal is boring |
| 19:16.17 | A1win | ah yea |
| 19:16.17 | RodOfNOD | i dont mind killing shit hehe |
| 19:16.40 | RodOfNOD | if u make it so killoing is alast option |
| 19:16.50 | RodOfNOD | or killing is bysetting uptraps |
| 19:16.54 | RodOfNOD | that take time |
| 19:17.01 | A1win | could just have enemies as "cannon fodder" outside the base to slow you down, so you need to develop new weapons to progress faster outside the base |
| 19:17.03 | RodOfNOD | anyone can go BAM ur dead |
| 19:17.04 | A1win | hmm |
| 19:17.12 | A1win | what if the goal is to fix some generator before it explodes or something |
| 19:17.15 | A1win | so there would be a time limit |
| 19:17.24 | RodOfNOD | u could have various tasks |
| 19:17.34 | RodOfNOD | when the game starts u vote on ur task |
| 19:17.40 | A1win | then the enemies wouldn't have to attack the base and defense wouldn't be the only goal |
| 19:17.44 | RodOfNOD | basically it is the same idea over and over just different content |
| 19:17.49 | A1win | mmh |
| 19:18.08 | A1win | well the main goal doesn't really matter much |
| 19:18.13 | A1win | since it only happens "in the end" |
| 19:18.24 | A1win | no one cares what it is as long as it makes sense :P |
| 19:18.25 | RodOfNOD | yes but the goal will determine the things u need to find |
| 19:18.28 | RodOfNOD | agreed |
| 19:18.34 | RodOfNOD | ifur goal is to fix something |
| 19:18.37 | RodOfNOD | then u need to find the tools |
| 19:18.38 | A1win | not the main goal necessarily |
| 19:18.39 | RodOfNOD | and parts |
| 19:18.45 | A1win | the scientists define what you need |
| 19:18.46 | RodOfNOD | ifurgoal is to blow something up |
| 19:18.51 | A1win | they teach you new schematics |
| 19:18.51 | RodOfNOD | then u need to develop the bombs |
| 19:18.52 | RodOfNOD | etc |
| 19:18.53 | A1win | for things |
| 19:18.54 | RodOfNOD | yes |
| 19:19.08 | A1win | hmm |
| 19:19.10 | RodOfNOD | the hard part will be to make it replayable |
| 19:19.18 | A1win | there could be random side objectives in the map |
| 19:19.18 | Stewox | http://www.shrani.si/f/2E/ad/78oPqe4/icruiser.png |
| 19:19.56 | A1win | or different ways to solve some tasks |
| 19:20.03 | A1win | like a door you can either blow up or hack open |
| 19:20.13 | A1win | so you need a bomb or some device to hack it |
| 19:20.18 | RodOfNOD | that link was black |
| 19:20.20 | RodOfNOD | Stewox |
| 19:20.29 | A1win | it's not black :x |
| 19:20.38 | A1win | use a browser that knows how to open pngs :P |
| 19:21.26 | Stewox | should work with firefox |
| 19:22.39 | Stewox | good to see blizzard making jokes of the epic voices |
| 19:23.03 | Stewox | that shows that they aknowledge them as very popular |
| 19:23.36 | Stewox | you probably all saw the response of the 2009 blizzcon battlecruiser quote hm ? |
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| 19:59.06 | Stewox | hello anyone here |
| 19:59.25 | Stewox | how can i easily make a simple ability to toggle weapons off / on |
| 20:00.03 | Stewox | so that the unit does not fire at all while doing everything else (or at least effect of very little damage , dummy sort of ) |
| 20:00.26 | A1win | remove its weapons ;x |
| 20:00.54 | A1win | or umm dunno if you can do that with an ability |
| 20:01.22 | A1win | maybe make a buff and add validators to the weapons to not do anything if it has the buff? ;p |
| 20:01.35 | A1win | that's not simple though <.< |
| 20:01.47 | A1win | would have to do it for every weapon separately |
| 20:03.24 | A1win | I'm bored D: |
| 20:03.51 | A1win | so many things to choose from to do that nothing seems interesting enough compared to the others :3 |
| 20:04.14 | A1win | the definition of boredom :P |
| 20:11.10 | Stewox | i mena only one weapon |
| 20:11.15 | Stewox | on a mothership specifically |
| 20:12.22 | A1win | I guess you can give the weapon's effect a validator to check if the mothership has a behavior which you can then add using an ability or whatever |
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| 20:33.18 | JManV | is there an easy way to make a "combat free zone"? |
| 20:34.04 | A1win | make everything in it invulnerable? |
| 20:34.13 | JManV | interesting... |
| 20:34.28 | JManV | not a bad idea |
| 20:34.36 | A1win | they'd still be able to shoot from it though |
| 20:34.48 | JManV | hmmm |
| 20:34.55 | JManV | i don't want them to shoot people as they leave |
| 20:35.08 | JManV | i'm not sure it's even worth the trouble |
| 20:35.18 | JManV | why would you want to trade with your enemies, anyways |
| 20:35.30 | Stewox | i did it via Purifier Power Down / Power up toggle , removed the movement ability disable and it should not fire and that's it , ofcoure customized other stuff , yet to test it |
| 20:38.40 | Stewox | that's actually a behavior modification , there's like usless linked code attached because i just copied over the existing ability |
| 20:38.58 | Stewox | Disable Abilities: Attack |
| 20:40.09 | JManV | i'd need to disable all spells as well |
| 20:41.47 | JManV | i think i have a better idea around the whole thing |
| 20:42.32 | JManV | it doesn't make sense to have marines dropping zealot weapons anyways |
| 20:43.16 | Stewox | Have a question about teleport in an area , do i have to use triggers for that , "everything what enters AREA01 will be teleported to point Destination01" |
| 20:43.27 | Stewox | or is something already in with data/placables |
| 20:43.35 | JManV | you can do it in data |
| 20:43.40 | JManV | there's a teleport effect |
| 20:43.53 | JManV | and another effect for search area |
| 20:44.07 | JManV | probably create a behavior |
| 20:44.21 | JManV | and give it a periodic effect of type search area |
| 20:44.34 | JManV | and when it finds something in the area, apply teleport effect |
| 20:44.35 | Stewox | so that means i would have to be adding mothership transit to every unit , but with triggers it's like 10 times easier no ? |
| 20:45.02 | JManV | the behavior is on the teleport area |
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| 20:45.14 | JManV | was thinking like a warp gate or something like that |
| 20:45.18 | Stewox | you know about mothership transit ? |
| 20:45.30 | JManV | yeah, it's all done in behaviors |
| 20:45.51 | Stewox | well but that's like built in , should work on any unit just linked with the ability no ? |
| 20:46.01 | JManV | if you really need to apply a behavior to everything, apply the behavior in a trigger, but leave everything else in data |
| 20:47.19 | Stewox | well i don't need data this time i just asked what's the fastest way (well sorry for not clearing it out) the way tower defence maps do it , for example , or the 4 versus center maps |
| 20:48.04 | JManV | if you want permission to do it in triggers; do it in triggers |
| 20:48.32 | JManV | yeah, you could probably do it pretty fast |
| 20:48.49 | JManV | it probably wouldn't really be that much overhead either |
| 20:54.45 | A1win | I feel like creating something crazy but I can't come up with anything cool @.@ |
| 20:56.05 | A1win | just thought of a game where there's a network on the map, each node just has one number in it, connected by lines to other numbers... and you navigate there and "attack" the number at the node where you are currently at... like an rpg with only numbers as objects X_x |
| 20:56.13 | A1win | then I thought that it might be a bit lame... |
| 20:58.08 | RodOfNOD | lol |
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| 21:06.19 | Stewox | so for the teleport , do i need to use 3D point or is normal point enough ? |
| 21:06.33 | A1win | normal point |
| 21:06.49 | A1win | unit's only have 2D coordinates anyway |
| 21:07.28 | A1win | or well, you can get a unit's Z coordinate too if you need it for something... but the game handles vertical stuff automatically |
| 21:07.52 | JManV | hmmm |
| 21:08.36 | JManV | so when i interact with my show, i need it to know if the hero meets certain requirements |
| 21:08.42 | JManV | show=shop |
| 21:09.19 | Vail | what kind of requirements? |
| 21:09.23 | JManV | level |
| 21:10.06 | JManV | i already have a stacking behavior that tracks level |
| 21:10.43 | Vail | why are you using a stacking behavoir to track the level? |
| 21:10.52 | JManV | for requirements and such |
| 21:10.59 | JManV | it's super easy to count behavior |
| 21:11.47 | Vail | i wish i could take a look at your setup |
| 21:11.58 | JManV | why so? |
| 21:12.00 | Stewox | Where is the teleport action in triggers i didn't found it |
| 21:12.08 | A1win | Stewox, move unit instantly |
| 21:12.12 | Vail | i like seeing how others solve problems |
| 21:12.13 | JManV | it's actually quite simple |
| 21:12.27 | Stewox | oh .... |
| 21:12.30 | JManV | i trigger applies 1 of the behavior every time a unit levels up |
| 21:12.38 | Stewox | just a move command then ? |
| 21:12.46 | A1win | no, it's a teleport action |
| 21:12.46 | JManV | and all my requirements are count behavior |
| 21:12.58 | A1win | the action's name is "Move Unit Instantly" |
| 21:13.06 | Stewox | oh ofcourse |
| 21:13.08 | Stewox | thanks |
| 21:13.15 | JManV | instead of having a validator/behavior/requirement for each level |
| 21:13.25 | JManV | i just have a requirement for each level and a stacking behavior |
| 21:13.56 | Vail | it seems like reinventing the wheel to me |
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| 21:14.10 | JManV | have you played with requirements much? |
| 21:14.22 | Stewox | ofcourse built in blending , just moving would not look nice |
| 21:14.25 | JManV | all you can do is count ability/behavior/unit |
| 21:14.35 | JManV | you can't count hero levels |
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| 21:14.39 | A1win | Stewox, blend makes it visually move between those points |
| 21:14.49 | A1win | not blending makes it instantly teleport |
| 21:14.59 | Stewox | aaa ? |
| 21:15.04 | JManV | so you have to somehow expose those levels to a behavior |
| 21:15.11 | Stewox | i get it now |
| 21:15.16 | JManV | normally people do this in an even more round-about way than i did |
| 21:15.40 | Stewox | but it's a twist of words , i thought what they mean by blend is the warp animation |
| 21:15.48 | A1win | heh ;p |
| 21:15.57 | A1win | there is no warp animation |
| 21:16.01 | Vail | you are using the Veterancy behavior? |
| 21:16.06 | Stewox | ok |
| 21:16.06 | JManV | yeah |
| 21:16.11 | A1win | you have to apply it youself if you want some kind of effect |
| 21:16.17 | ThunderLord | If i wanted to make a buff that reduces all damage taken by a unit by 25%, how wouldi go about doing that? i tryed setting the Modify fraction under Damage responce to Negative .25 but that made the unit nearly invinsable |
| 21:16.50 | JManV | can you just count it |
| 21:16.51 | JManV | ? |
| 21:16.58 | Vail | then why not just just use the requirement node greater than or equal to ( veterancy behavior) completed at unit Constant ( number ) |
| 21:17.23 | A1win | ThunderLord, shouldn't you set it to 0.75 |
| 21:17.26 | JManV | all the tutorials i watched showed these round'about ways |
| 21:17.39 | JManV | never really thought about it |
| 21:17.48 | Vail | and for the item shop |
| 21:18.01 | A1win | ThunderLord, if you take 100 damage and you want to reduce 25% of it, it's the same as multiplying that 100 by 0.75 :P (100% - 25% = 75% = 0.75) |
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| 21:18.52 | Vail | how do you have your shop set up? |
| 21:19.04 | JManV | i have "hero in range" behavior |
| 21:19.15 | JManV | that a validator enables/disables |
| 21:19.15 | A1win | ThunderLord, if you set it to negative 25%, then the unit will actually gain life when takin damage (if that's even possible) |
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| 21:19.26 | JManV | which is generally the requirement for sale |
| 21:19.43 | ThunderLord | okay |
| 21:19.45 | ThunderLord | i get it |
| 21:19.47 | ThunderLord | but |
| 21:19.53 | Vail | how are you selling |
| 21:19.53 | ThunderLord | i have another question for you then |
| 21:19.58 | ThunderLord | just to throw you all off |
| 21:20.00 | JManV | train |
| 21:20.03 | JManV | ability |
| 21:20.27 | JManV | technically the shop belongs to the player |
| 21:20.45 | Vail | so you are selling unit or items that are inventoryable |
| 21:20.56 | Vail | i was working on a tome shop .. |
| 21:21.00 | JManV | items for inventory |
| 21:21.03 | Vail | basicly it sold buffs.. |
| 21:21.12 | JManV | technically it's a forge so it sells upgrades too |
| 21:21.24 | ThunderLord | Under Modification, Combat, And Damage Delt fraction, setting that to 0 leaves the damage unmodded, setting it to 1 makes it double, Damagex0=Damage? Damagex1=2Damage? |
| 21:21.26 | Vail | i see. |
| 21:21.40 | JManV | but that's not especially important... that part works |
| 21:21.48 | A1win | ThunderLord, I guess it's additional damage then |
| 21:21.49 | Vail | i see. |
| 21:22.15 | ThunderLord | yeah, thats why i tryed -.25, ill try .75 |
| 21:22.22 | JManV | i need to somehow know the hero level for the item sale requirements |
| 21:22.24 | A1win | oh you're setting it there? |
| 21:22.48 | A1win | then yeah it should be -0.25 |
| 21:22.49 | ThunderLord | no thats just an example |
| 21:22.52 | A1win | ._o |
| 21:23.24 | ThunderLord | it is, by default, under damage responce mod frac=0 so i thought it should be the same case here |
| 21:24.01 | JManV | i could stack the hero in range somehow, and count it |
| 21:25.18 | ThunderLord | .75 worked |
| 21:25.19 | JManV | i don't want to build one for every level |
| 21:25.22 | ThunderLord | Yay! |
| 21:25.39 | Vail | does the Effect field on a train apply that effect to the unit or just apply that effect period? |
| 21:26.01 | JManV | i dunno... i could be doing it wrong |
| 21:26.06 | JManV | good point |
| 21:26.41 | JManV | right now it's just creating the unit |
| 21:27.24 | Vail | i want to test some things |
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| 21:29.55 | Doom | hi guys |
| 21:30.05 | A1win | I just got the weirdest idea ._o you know those breakout games where you bounce a ball using a pad and it destroys stuff.. what if the ball was a zealot in top-down view, the pad a row of zerglings that hit the zealot when it runs downwards sending it back up (in a bounce angle of course) and the blocks up there some random units the zealot kills when it collides with them |
| 21:30.31 | A1win | and you control the row of zerglings with arrows or something :P |
| 21:31.38 | Doom | have you guys seen borg |
| 21:31.39 | Doom | ? |
| 21:31.48 | RodOfNOD | nope |
| 21:32.10 | Doom | i knew he was a data king |
| 21:32.12 | Doom | xD |
| 21:32.31 | Doom | he lied to me and sayed he wasnt |
| 21:32.31 | Doom | xD |
| 21:33.45 | Doom | sixen~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
| 21:33.47 | Doom | HIHIHIHIHIHI |
| 21:33.50 | Doom | xD |
| 21:34.24 | Doom | im haven weapon trobles T.T |
| 21:34.46 | Doom | i want the offset borg used for his hyperspace scout |
| 21:34.50 | Doom | xD |
| 21:35.30 | C-H | can you set a limit to how many times a reaper can jump a cliff? |
| 21:35.56 | Doom | so i can make my Nydus worm have a Vortex at its mouth as the attack channels |
| 21:36.54 | Doom | cuse my attack is like a vacum |
| 21:37.08 | Doom | it brings all the creatures in |
| 21:37.22 | Doom | and if they come to close thay die |
| 21:37.25 | Doom | xD |
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| 21:38.29 | JManV | maybe i need the actual interact ability |
| 21:42.53 | JManV | well that broke everything |
| 21:45.44 | JManV | my buildings don't play nicely with the actual interact ability |
| 21:48.52 | JManV | hmmm... but then it doesn't actually give the item to the hero unit |
| 21:51.53 | Barrin | u guys so sexy |
| 21:51.55 | Barrin | <3 |
| 21:52.09 | Barrin | :x in a heterosexual way o.O |
| 21:52.50 | Barrin | much love~~~ |
| 21:54.03 | RodOfNOD | does anyone know if there is any differences between broodwar and sc except for the new units? |
| 21:54.11 | RodOfNOD | talking aboutmelee stats |
| 21:57.00 | Vail | the interact is for neutral buildings only i think |
| 21:57.12 | JManV | yeah |
| 21:57.19 | JManV | but it seems to be the tie |
| 21:58.06 | JManV | it just drops the item on the ground in front |
| 21:58.22 | Vail | nod |
| 21:58.42 | JManV | i suppose i could deliver the item through triggers |
| 21:58.42 | RodOfNOD | yes? |
| 21:58.58 | Vail | oh sorry Rod i dont know about your question |
| 21:59.05 | RodOfNOD | k |
| 21:59.30 | JManV | the stats are totally different |
| 21:59.37 | JManV | the way damage is dealt is different |
| 21:59.47 | JManV | broodwar and sc1 |
| 21:59.49 | JManV | sorry |
| 21:59.50 | JManV | don't know |
| 22:00.02 | RodOfNOD | u think they are different? |
| 22:00.11 | RodOfNOD | bw vs sc? |
| 22:00.16 | JManV | a little |
| 22:00.26 | RodOfNOD | besides the units |
| 22:00.30 | RodOfNOD | that are new |
| 22:00.37 | RodOfNOD | u think there are differences? |
| 22:03.32 | JManV | probably tweaks here and there |
| 22:03.34 | JManV | but i dunno |
| 22:03.55 | JManV | maybe not tho |
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| 22:35.31 | Stewox | hi again |
| 22:36.23 | Stewox | where do i need to apply a switch to choose from which player the teleport would only work , i have set up event (if unit enters area ... then move it instantly to point ... ) |
| 22:40.30 | Stewox | how should i use OR , because i have 2 areas and i want it in the same element , but so it won't work if it's AND of course, then it will be impossible since a unit can't enter 2 areas which are apart |
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| 22:50.01 | Vail | darn these requirements |
| 22:50.34 | JManV | tell me about it |
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| 22:53.20 | A1win | Stewox, if unit enters area1 OR if unit enters area2? ;p |
| 22:53.33 | A1win | OR { unit enters area1, unit enters area2 } |
| 22:53.54 | Stewox | well i mean doing it with triggers |
| 22:54.03 | Stewox | wiait .... |
| 22:54.06 | Stewox | wait |
| 22:54.12 | A1win | the AND, OR, and NOT conditions in the trigger editor work so that when you place conditions inside them, they are considered having that word between them |
| 22:54.40 | A1win | so if you put those conditions inside the OR "branch", they are considered to have "or" between them |
| 22:55.03 | A1win | OR: |
| 22:55.06 | A1win | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:55.07 | A1win | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:55.19 | Stewox | http://www.shrani.si/f/2m/fD/2UTk8oz6/teleport.png |
| 22:55.44 | Stewox | well i don't know but i used events |
| 22:55.47 | A1win | ah, you can just use it in the events |
| 22:55.58 | Stewox | yes i saw the operators , but not sure how to use them yet |
| 22:56.03 | A1win | all events are always "or" |
| 22:56.21 | A1win | events tell when ANY of those events happens, the trigger is fired |
| 22:56.30 | Vail | JManV: i think this is going to have to be done an ugly way until blizzard DoTA is released |
| 22:56.48 | Stewox | heh okay , that's great then , also good to know this , if any of event is ... then activated |
| 22:56.49 | JManV | i'll take ugly |
| 22:57.05 | Stewox | exactly |
| 22:57.07 | A1win | Stewox, how else it would make sense :P |
| 22:57.17 | A1win | you can't fire two events at the same time |
| 22:57.20 | Vail | we may have to use multiple abilities one ability for each sellable object... |
| 22:57.24 | Stewox | of course :D |
| 22:57.26 | A1win | I mean |
| 22:57.28 | A1win | nevermind |
| 22:57.56 | A1win | I'm readin The Illuminatus! trilogy :P some pretty cool philosophy and stuff here |
| 22:58.02 | A1win | in between all the randomness |
| 23:01.44 | JManV | i can think of a way of doing it with having a behavior/validator/requirement for each level, but that's super ugly |
| 23:05.01 | Vail | i have sperate abilities and each uses its own validator sigh .. |
| 23:05.36 | JManV | seperate train ability? |
| 23:05.47 | Vail | actually i am using effect instant |
| 23:06.20 | JManV | effect instant won't show the cost on the tooltip |
| 23:06.25 | JManV | will it? |
| 23:06.34 | Vail | not sure it might ,, |
| 23:06.43 | Vail | i think it will |
| 23:06.50 | JManV | you'd have to set the cost at the ability tho |
| 23:07.01 | JManV | which is ok-ish |
| 23:07.29 | Vail | yes it shows the cost .. |
| 23:07.31 | JManV | but i need requirements tho, to show the requirement text |
| 23:07.40 | Vail | hmm |
| 23:07.45 | JManV | and i also want to use them to stack items |
| 23:07.53 | JManV | show level-appropriate items |
| 23:08.06 | JManV | using requirements and stacked command cards |
| 23:08.08 | Vail | yes. |
| 23:08.30 | Vail | WAIT ... what are your setting for your interact ability? |
| 23:08.40 | JManV | i don't have an interact ability |
| 23:08.50 | JManV | it only works with neutral buildings |
| 23:09.21 | JManV | the building is owned by the player |
| 23:09.26 | Vail | i think the er share control and share Vision flags mess with it i am testing something now |
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| 23:13.06 | JManV | so i dunno why, but putting interact on one buildings makes all my buildings disappear |
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| 23:14.17 | JManV | it |
| 23:14.26 | JManV | it's generating an error somewhere in my triggers |
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| 23:15.53 | Vail | hm |
| 23:17.12 | JManV | but not actually displaying an error |
| 23:17.20 | JManV | but i can tell its not running all of my triggers |
| 23:18.28 | JManV | i think it's crashing as soon as my hero is made |
| 23:20.42 | Vail | hmm |
| 23:22.13 | JManV | hmm indeed |
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| 23:23.46 | Vail | looks like i am just going to have to have neutral shops |
| 23:23.57 | JManV | not an option at this point |
| 23:24.05 | Vail | hmm |
| 23:24.11 | JManV | i'd rather do the validator/behavior/requirement per level |
| 23:24.17 | Vail | yeah. |
| 23:24.35 | JManV | i went to a lot of trouble getting the non-neutral buildings to work |
| 23:25.09 | JManV | i'm only looking at like 30 levels |
| 23:25.13 | JManV | i guess i could just do it |
| 23:25.19 | JManV | the long way |
| 23:25.26 | Vail | and every hero uses the same vetrancy? |
| 23:26.06 | JManV | i'm not sure yet |
| 23:26.33 | JManV | theoretically, yes |
| 23:27.18 | Vail | see thats where i have a problem every hero in my map is going have there own veterancy |
| 23:27.44 | JManV | is that necessary? |
| 23:28.14 | Vail | i think it might be. |
| 23:28.29 | Vail | i havent gotten far in so i can change if i have to soon |
| 23:28.31 | JManV | i've already got different stats for each race, and if the unit doesn't have the stat, they don't get the bonus |
| 23:28.41 | Vail | hm |
| 23:28.51 | JManV | abilities are done seperately |
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| 23:29.12 | JManV | it's mostly just the experience points and stat bonuses that are controlled by level |
| 23:29.27 | JManV | in the veterancy |
| 23:29.58 | Vail | i am just hoping the morpg atribute stat bug is fixed |
| 23:30.06 | Vail | morph ahem |
| 23:30.23 | JManV | oic, you probably want different bonuses |
| 23:30.43 | JManV | i'm letting my players choose their stat bonus |
| 23:30.47 | Vail | 'ah |
| 23:30.52 | JManV | they get one of each per level plus a choice |
| 23:31.07 | Vail | nice. |
| 23:31.30 | Vail | i am using non traditional class types |
| 23:31.51 | JManV | well |
| 23:31.54 | JManV | what you could do |
| 23:32.05 | JManV | is tie them all in to one stackable behavior |
| 23:32.14 | JManV | trigger on level gain |
| 23:32.26 | JManV | and add behavior - stackable level to triggering unit |
| 23:32.34 | JManV | and count that |
| 23:32.40 | JManV | every unit will have it |
| 23:32.47 | JManV | regardless of their veterancy type |
| 23:33.19 | Vail | i want to avoid the use of triggers as much as possible. for now |
| 23:33.28 | JManV | it's a one line trigger |
| 23:33.43 | JManV | that doesn't trigger that often |
| 23:34.07 | A1win | why do people want to avoid triggers? |
| 23:34.08 | JManV | you might be able to do it in data, but the trigger's actually easier |
| 23:34.09 | Vail | hm |
| 23:34.33 | JManV | less work = less rework when you decide to change something |
| 23:34.39 | Vail | triggers are harder for me than data is i dont know why but thats how it is . |
| 23:34.57 | A1win | a trigger like that probably takes about 0.01 milliseconds to execute |
| 23:35.04 | JManV | = less chance of error |
| 23:35.44 | JManV | it's an easy trigger |
| 23:35.53 | Vail | what i would like to try and figure out with triggers is intrest ... |
| 23:35.57 | JManV | event = unit gains experience level |
| 23:36.00 | A1win | but yeah I can understand not knowing how to use them yet :P some people just avoid using them just because they are triggers... |
| 23:36.34 | JManV | action = add behavior (behavior you made) to unit (triggering unit) |
| 23:36.39 | JManV | that's the whole trigger |
| 23:36.51 | Vail | i am sure i could do it with data but i want to try it with triggers first |
| 23:37.06 | JManV | you have to make the behavior first |
| 23:37.12 | JManV | and it's max stack needs to be more than 1 |
| 23:37.20 | Vail | nod. |
| 23:37.24 | JManV | otherwise, it can be a buff that does nothing |
| 23:37.31 | JManV | probably hide it |
| 23:38.23 | Vail | but what im talking about is if they have a specific amount of minerals they recieve a specific amout of minerals every so often |
| 23:38.36 | JManV | ah, that's no problem |
| 23:38.44 | JManV | event: periodic event - every X seconds |
| 23:39.04 | JManV | actions: Player - Set Property: Minerals |
| 23:39.20 | JManV | then you have to build the formula |
| 23:39.34 | JManV | using Player - Get Property: Minerals |
| 23:39.43 | JManV | and Math: Arithmetic (Integer) |
| 23:40.07 | JManV | math first |
| 23:40.30 | A1win | the action is "Modify Player Property" |
| 23:40.30 | JManV | what sucks about the math is if you get your precedence wrong, you have to rebuild it |
| 23:41.00 | JManV | sorry, not looking directly at it |
| 23:41.14 | A1win | so you can just Add something without using arithmetic |
| 23:41.23 | Vail | cool i have to leave the desk for a second. |
| 23:41.30 | JManV | but he wants interest |
| 23:41.55 | A1win | ah yea |
| 23:42.31 | A1win | so just Add (player mineals * interest percentage) |
| 23:42.42 | JManV | yeah |
| 23:43.32 | JManV | periodic money is a great first trigger |
| 23:44.20 | A1win | I've started using Repeat Forever instead of periodic trigger just so it doesn't floor the trigger debug window :P |
| 23:44.29 | A1win | *flood |
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| 23:45.20 | JManV | what was i doing? |
| 23:45.42 | JManV | trying to scrape some usable remnants out of the inventory system... that's right |
| 23:46.47 | A1win | haha, "- - Mystics are all a bit funny in the head anyway," the priest added cynically, "which is why the church locks them all up in mental hospitals and euphemistically calls these institutions monasteries. - -" |
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