IRC log for #sc2mapster on 20101107

`00:00.20`	`Bibendus`	`http://beta.dungeons-game.com/`
`00:03.03`	`Bibendus`	`registered`
`00:03.03`	`Bibendus`	`.D`
`00:03.34`	`Bibendus`	`old spices commercials pwn soo much ;:D`
`00:04.33`	`Bibendus`	`does it exists?`
`00:06.18`	`Bibendus`	`fuck`
`00:06.23`	`Bibendus`	`they choosed a really stupid name`
`00:06.24`	`Bibendus`	`for a game`
`00:06.30`	`sanastro`	`hum`
`00:06.31`	`Bibendus`	`it's unfindable on youtube`
`00:06.45`	`sanastro`	`how do i find out the rank placement of 4 players according to their score...`
`00:06.46`	`Bibendus`	`cuz dungeons gets translated into dungeon`
`00:06.53`	`Bibendus`	`and it finds tons of crap`
`00:07.03`	`RodOfNOD`	`anyone know how to make windows 7 search a non "txt" file for text please?`
`00:07.16`	`sanastro`	`open it in a text editor`
`00:07.23`	`sanastro`	`and search from there`
`00:07.30`	`sanastro`	`(nope i don't)`
`00:07.39`	`Bibendus`	`rod`
`00:07.41`	`RodOfNOD`	`ihave 40 files to search`
`00:07.43`	`Bibendus`	`u want to search in ALL files?`
`00:07.46`	`RodOfNOD`	`yes`
`00:07.48`	`sanastro`	`i used a program for that`
`00:07.53`	`Bibendus`	`get a good notepad`
`00:07.55`	`Bibendus`	`prog`
`00:08.00`	`Bibendus`	`that let u read in diff directories`
`00:08.10`	`RodOfNOD`	`i haveultra i wonder if it will do that`
`00:08.33`	`Bibendus`	`i use`
`00:08.35`	`Bibendus`	`notepad++`
`00:08.37`	`Bibendus`	`i can do`
`00:08.39`	`Bibendus`	`search folder`
`00:08.45`	`Bibendus`	`specifying files extensions`
`00:08.49`	`Bibendus`	`.`
`00:08.52`	`Bibendus`	`and gg`
`00:08.52`	`Bibendus`	`:D`
`00:10.32`	`RodOfNOD`	`cool i used my editor`
`00:10.40`	`RodOfNOD`	`but now i am severly confused lol`
`00:11.29`	`Bibendus`	`usually`
`00:11.31`	`Bibendus`	`u get a list`
`00:11.34`	`Bibendus`	`at bottom`
`00:11.50`	`Bibendus`	`u just need to doubleclick the line u want`
`00:11.54`	`Bibendus`	`and the file should open`
`00:12.02`	`Bibendus`	`at the correct line where it found the string`
`00:15.47`	`sanastro`	`holy shit.. inbuilt libraries`
`00:15.49`	`sanastro`	`have score sorting`
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`00:18.40`	`Bounty`	`Hey Bib mind letting me show u something? :)`
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`00:31.43`	`RodOfNOD`	`ty Bibendus that worked`
`00:31.52`	`Bibendus`	`:P`
`00:31.58`	`RodOfNOD`	`haveu played much with dialogs?`
`00:32.17`	`Bibendus`	`not much`
`00:32.39`	`Bibendus`	`sanastro did`
`00:32.42`	`Bibendus`	`:P`
`00:33.05`	`progammer`	`i'm the dialog master`
`00:33.07`	`RodOfNOD`	`sanastro areu aware of a 3 state button in the dialogs?`
`00:33.10`	`RodOfNOD`	`ok progammer`
`00:33.11`	`RodOfNOD`	`same?`
`00:34.13`	`*** join/#sc2mapster crazyfingers (~sadfdjk@ip174-65-52-43.sd.sd.cox.net)`
`00:34.16`	`progammer`	`who wants to playtest my bejeweled map`
`00:34.52`	`crazyfingers`	`i'd be down in a bit, watching some SC2 tournament`
`00:35.10`	`RodOfNOD`	`areu aware of a 3 state button in the dialogs progammer?`
`00:35.17`	`progammer`	`what tour ? mlg ?`
`00:35.24`	`progammer`	`whatis a 3 state button ?`
`00:35.33`	`progammer`	`you mean like clicked, hover etc ?`
`00:35.39`	`RodOfNOD`	`not selected, highlited,m and selected`
`00:35.51`	`RodOfNOD`	`do i have to fake that or is it built in`
`00:36.15`	`progammer`	`some item have those, some doesnt`
`00:36.25`	`RodOfNOD`	`a button`
`00:36.29`	`RodOfNOD`	`is what im talking about`
`00:36.40`	`progammer`	`button have highlited, clicked`
`00:36.44`	`progammer`	`nothing else`
`00:36.51`	`RodOfNOD`	`k well the GAME has 3`
`00:36.54`	`RodOfNOD`	`in the sc2layout file`
`00:36.59`	`RodOfNOD`	`so iguess ihave tofake it`
`00:37.01`	`crazyfingers`	`Yeah MLG`
`00:37.03`	`progammer`	`check box item have selected`
`00:37.05`	`crazyfingers`	`http://events.mlgpro.com/takeovers/procircuit/titles/starcraft?site_id=mlgpro`
`00:37.10`	`progammer`	`or list box have selected`
`00:37.12`	`crazyfingers`	`awesome matchup if anyone wants to watch it`
`00:37.21`	`RodOfNOD`	`ya talking about a regular button`
`00:37.30`	`RodOfNOD`	`u can see what imtalking about on either the HELP tabs or the OPTION tabs`
`00:38.26`	`Mephs`	`yesssssss`
`00:38.44`	`Mephs`	`i just accomplished full 3d missile collision in data editor`
`00:41.21`	`RodOfNOD`	`grr how do i show that a button is permanetly clicked lol`
`00:41.36`	`Mephs`	`how do you use unit compare field?`
`00:41.40`	`Mephs`	`does that compare any editor fields?`
`00:42.00`	`Mephs`	`now i just need to get height comparison between the missile and units`
`00:47.55`	`Bibendus`	`mephs`
`00:47.59`	`Mephs`	`?`
`00:48.02`	`Bibendus`	`triggers are faaaaaaaaster`
`00:48.06`	`Bibendus`	`stop doing all with data editing :D`
`00:48.11`	`Mephs`	`no`
`00:48.12`	`Mephs`	`cuz now`
`00:48.20`	`Mephs`	`i can just use one field to set it to use this physics`
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`00:48.30`	`Mephs`	`and save myself from trigger errors :>`
`00:48.32`	`Bibendus`	`even with triggers`
`00:48.33`	`Bibendus`	`:\|`
`00:48.35`	`Nagnazul`	`Hi!`
`00:48.39`	`Bibendus`	`u can just make a function`
`00:48.40`	`Nagnazul`	`who wants to playtest my map with me?`
`00:48.46`	`Bibendus`	`and specify the projectile type`
`00:48.54`	`Mephs`	`no point`
`00:48.59`	`Mephs`	`this is much more dynamic`
`00:49.01`	`Bibendus`	`same speed`
`00:49.05`	`Bibendus`	`nope`
`00:49.05`	`Bibendus`	`:D`
`00:49.08`	`allenmelon`	`2q5 jq0`
`00:49.14`	`allenmelon`	`oh i mean wat map?`
`00:49.33`	`Bibendus`	`however`
`00:49.35`	`Bibendus`	`how did u check`
`00:49.36`	`Bibendus`	`unit height`
`00:49.38`	`Bibendus`	`in data editing`
`00:49.41`	`Bibendus`	`can u do it?`
`00:50.16`	`Nagnazul`	`I need some playtesters for my map, stranded on krydon`
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`00:50.31`	`Bibendus`	`AHAHAA`
`00:50.31`	`Bibendus`	`idra CHEESED OUT`
`00:50.31`	`Bibendus`	`xD`
`00:50.31`	`Mephs`	`mmm`
`00:50.34`	`Mephs`	`what?`
`00:50.35`	`Nagnazul`	`it's a 4 player coop survival map`
`00:50.37`	`Mephs`	`did he 6 pool? lol`
`00:50.39`	`Mephs`	`or something?`
`00:50.42`	`Bibendus`	`pwned by a noob`
`00:50.42`	`Bibendus`	`xD`
`00:50.45`	`Bibendus`	`no`
`00:50.47`	`Bibendus`	`got pwned`
`00:50.48`	`Mephs`	`he get cheezed?`
`00:50.50`	`Bibendus`	`by 2 bunkers at ramp`
`00:50.51`	`Nagnazul`	`contact me in-game, nagnazul.679, NA servers`
`00:50.52`	`Mephs`	`rofl`
`00:50.54`	`Bibendus`	`xD`
`00:50.56`	`Mephs`	`idra lost to that?`
`00:50.58`	`Mephs`	`thats funny`
`00:51.01`	`Bibendus`	`yeeeee`
`00:51.07`	`Mephs`	`hmm`
`00:51.12`	`Mephs`	`well it doesn't look like i can really validate this`
`00:51.18`	`Mephs`	`so i guess i have to just trigger the validation`
`00:51.22`	`Mephs`	`bahhh`
`00:51.26`	`Bibendus`	`looooooool`
`00:51.31`	`Bibendus`	`so u cant validate the height?`
`00:51.37`	`Mephs`	`theres no real time height validator`
`00:51.43`	`Bibendus`	`loooooooool`
`00:51.45`	`Mephs`	`that can compare the actual height of a missile`
`00:51.53`	`Mephs`	`what`
`00:51.56`	`Mephs`	`now they have effect events`
`00:51.56`	`Bibendus`	`sooo just pwned`
`00:51.58`	`Bibendus`	`triggers are better`
`00:51.59`	`Bibendus`	`:D`
`00:52.01`	`Mephs`	`i can just use a trigger as a validator`
`00:52.06`	`Bibendus`	`oh`
`00:52.14`	`Bibendus`	`how do they work`
`00:52.14`	`Mephs`	`on effect search contact impact`
`00:52.23`	`Mephs`	`check height of missile vs. height of impacted target`
`00:52.30`	`Bibendus`	`i mean`
`00:52.33`	`Mephs`	`if it doesn't add up, don't fire the impact effect`
`00:52.34`	`Bibendus`	`how can u mix`
`00:52.36`	`Mephs`	`oh`
`00:52.39`	`Bibendus`	`trigger validators with data validators`
`00:52.46`	`Mephs`	`oh`
`00:52.47`	`Mephs`	`basically`
`00:52.51`	`Mephs`	`you take the effect out of the chain`
`00:52.54`	`Mephs`	`where you want the validator`
`00:52.59`	`Mephs`	`and have the trigger create the effect on the unit`
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`00:53.03`	`Mephs`	`if it passes your trigger check`
`00:53.16`	`Mephs`	`so...hm`
`00:53.17`	`Bibendus`	`u cast the effect that uses the data validator?`
`00:53.18`	`Mephs`	`how to explain`
`00:53.22`	`Mephs`	`ok i have`
`00:53.24`	`Mephs`	`launch missile ->`
`00:53.27`	`Bibendus`	`:D`
`00:53.28`	`Mephs`	`missle has search effect on it`
`00:53.40`	`Mephs`	`if search makes a contact, it fires the impact effect`
`00:53.44`	`Mephs`	`now i strip the impact effect`
`00:53.52`	`Mephs`	`and put a trigger "Effect Created"`
`00:53.59`	`Mephs`	`for that impact effect`
`00:54.04`	`Bibendus`	`k got it`
`00:54.06`	`Mephs`	`i compare the caster height (the missile) with the unit target height`
`00:54.10`	`Bibendus`	`u use an intermediate trigger`
`00:54.11`	`Mephs`	`if it doesn't pass, just do nothing`
`00:54.14`	`Bibendus`	`to continue the chain effects`
`00:54.21`	`Mephs`	`else create the suicide event at caster and the dmg effect at target`
`00:54.29`	`Mephs`	`EZ PEAZY`
`00:54.30`	`Bibendus`	`still better to make all with triggerz :D`
`00:54.33`	`Mephs`	`nah`
`00:54.35`	`Bibendus`	`what did u use`
`00:54.38`	`Mephs`	`triggers take up so much map space`
`00:54.38`	`Bibendus`	`to get the unit tallness`
`00:54.46`	`Bibendus`	`it's a general function`
`00:54.48`	`Bibendus`	`don't take map space`
`00:54.48`	`Bibendus`	`:D`
`00:54.58`	`Mephs`	`i mean`
`00:55.01`	`Mephs`	`it also causes bnet lag`
`00:55.06`	`Bibendus`	`nopppe`
`00:55.06`	`Mephs`	`if triggers are constantly running`
`00:55.08`	`Bibendus`	`it's the same`
`00:55.12`	`Mephs`	`the map lags`
`00:55.14`	`Bibendus`	`data loop check`
`00:55.17`	`Bibendus`	`and triggers loop checks`
`00:55.19`	`Bibendus`	`are the same`
`00:55.19`	`Bibendus`	`:D`
`00:55.24`	`Bibendus`	`in efficiency`
`00:55.25`	`Mephs`	`lol have you ever seen dark revenant's map? he's got a full triggered physics engine on his game`
`00:55.26`	`sanastro`	`guuuys help meee im almost releasing my map but theres a few stupid bugs left`
`00:55.30`	`Mephs`	`and the shit runs like a snail`
`00:55.34`	`sanastro`	`http://www.abload.de/img/dialogstuff5spac.jpg why does my leaderboard look cut off like that`
`00:55.40`	`Bibendus`	`if it lags`
`00:55.42`	`Bibendus`	`it's his fault`
`00:55.45`	`Bibendus`	`he didn't do it well`
`00:55.50`	`Mephs`	`didn't you make that crush company game?`
`00:55.52`	`Bibendus`	`did u see crush company lag`
`00:55.58`	`Bibendus`	`i mean not controls`
`00:56.01`	`Mephs`	`i played it a couple times and ppl lagged out every game`
`00:56.02`	`Bibendus`	`they lag for bnet`
`00:56.06`	`Bibendus`	`it's controls...`
`00:56.11`	`Mephs`	`its your triggers.`
`00:56.12`	`Bibendus`	`play it in single player`
`00:56.15`	`sanastro`	`could you please help me out :x`
`00:56.18`	`Bibendus`	`nope -_-"`
`00:56.20`	`sanastro`	`this is really critical`
`00:56.32`	`Bibendus`	`it's bnet that makes controls lag`
`00:56.36`	`Bibendus`	`and we are talking about phisics`
`00:56.38`	`sanastro`	`i have no idea why 1) the header is cut off like that 2) why theres that empty line in the leaderboard`
`00:56.47`	`sanastro`	`i can provide trigger shots if needed`
`00:56.48`	`Bibendus`	`not movements`
`00:56.58`	`Bibendus`	`leaderboards suck`
`00:57.07`	`sanastro`	`yeah but usually they work, right?`
`00:57.12`	`Bibendus`	`first line is empty`
`00:57.18`	`Bibendus`	`used by column headers`
`00:57.25`	`Bibendus`	`no usually they work as shit`
`00:57.35`	`Bibendus`	`mephs`
`00:57.39`	`Bibendus`	`try my 3d collisions`
`00:57.39`	`Mephs`	`i just hate using triggers when i dont have to`
`00:57.43`	`Bibendus`	`on crush company`
`00:57.47`	`Mephs`	`oh`
`00:57.49`	`Bibendus`	`they are just perfect`
`00:57.53`	`Mephs`	`bibendus the reason i need data`
`00:57.58`	`Mephs`	`is cuz i'm using straight fire missiles`
`00:58.02`	`Mephs`	`that move really fast`
`00:58.18`	`Bibendus`	`it's the same`
`00:58.20`	`Bibendus`	`still data`
`00:58.25`	`Bibendus`	`has a periodic check`
`00:58.34`	`Bibendus`	`if it hadn't it would have been better`
`00:58.41`	`Mephs`	`yea but you can't get the same precision and speed with a trigger`
`00:58.47`	`Bibendus`	`why not?`
`00:59.03`	`Bibendus`	`it's the periodic timer`
`00:59.08`	`Bibendus`	`that makes the difference`
`00:59.16`	`Bibendus`	`if u set it to 0.01 in data`
`00:59.21`	`Bibendus`	`u can set it to triggers`
`00:59.29`	`Bibendus`	`really they are no different`
`00:59.40`	`Mephs`	`my triggers`
`00:59.43`	`Mephs`	`i only have about 20`
`00:59.45`	`Mephs`	`and its taking up 500kb`
`00:59.54`	`Bibendus`	`cuz u did them wrong xD`
`00:59.58`	`Mephs`	`my data is only taking 223 kb with 250 some unique entries`
`01:00.01`	`Mephs`	`...lol okay`
`01:00.02`	`Bibendus`	`and dont look`
`01:00.04`	`RodOfNOD`	`u realize u could in theory convert that to galaxy and it would be tiny`
`01:00.04`	`Bibendus`	`uncompressed data`
`01:00.06`	`Mephs`	`i did them wrong? :p`
`01:00.15`	`Bibendus`	`did u look`
`01:00.18`	`Bibendus`	`uncompressed triggers?`
`01:00.48`	`Mephs`	`i just find triggering to be tedious`
`01:00.56`	`Mephs`	`when the data editor can perform most of the functions already`
`01:01.29`	`Mephs`	`why write 1000 lines of code to do proper collision when i can just have the data editor rigged to perform the basics`
`01:01.31`	`Bibendus`	`cuz u don't know how to do them`
`01:01.34`	`Mephs`	`and then parallel with triggers`
`01:01.34`	`Bibendus`	`awawawawaw`
`01:01.35`	`Bibendus`	`:D`
`01:01.44`	`Mephs`	`lol yea okay i dont know how to write script.`
`01:01.47`	`Mephs`	`good one`
`01:01.49`	`Bibendus`	`actually not 1000 lines`
`01:01.51`	`Bibendus`	`:D`
`01:01.54`	`Mephs`	`its a lot faster to data`
`01:01.57`	`Mephs`	`when you know what you're doing in it`
`01:02.00`	`Bibendus`	`nope its not`
`01:02.03`	`Bibendus`	`no copy paste`
`01:02.04`	`Mephs`	`it is.`
`01:02.10`	`Bibendus`	`i won`
`01:02.11`	`Bibendus`	`xD`
`01:02.20`	`Bibendus`	`crappy events`
`01:02.25`	`Bibendus`	`managements`
`01:02.25`	`Mephs`	`actually i've c/p'd every similar event in data editor`
`01:02.40`	`Bibendus`	`i mean no copy paste in event manager`
`01:02.41`	`Bibendus`	`i hate it!`
`01:02.43`	`Mephs`	`and re-created abilities that are similar in a minute flat`
`01:02.46`	`Mephs`	`oh`
`01:02.49`	`Mephs`	`in actor events?`
`01:02.49`	`Mephs`	`you can`
`01:02.56`	`Bibendus`	`hooooooooooow`
`01:03.01`	`Mephs`	`copy an event and paste it`
`01:03.08`	`Mephs`	`not like actor events require a lot of time to put together`
`01:03.19`	`Bibendus`	`ii mean actor events`
`01:03.23`	`Bibendus`	`what did u mean?`
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`01:03.34`	`Mephs`	`i'm talking about actor events`
`01:03.39`	`Bibendus`	`how can u copy paste?`
`01:03.44`	`Mephs`	`just go in`
`01:03.48`	`Mephs`	`and fucking copy and paste one`
`01:03.49`	`Mephs`	`it works`
`01:03.50`	`Mephs`	`try it`
`01:03.56`	`Mephs`	`ctrl c -> ctrl v`
`01:04.01`	`Bibendus`	`:\|`
`01:04.06`	`Bibendus`	`don't u think i already tried it?`
`01:04.12`	`Mephs`	`i'm doing it right now`
`01:04.14`	`Bibendus`	`oh fuck`
`01:04.16`	`Bibendus`	`it works`
`01:04.17`	`Bibendus`	`:\|`
`01:04.17`	`Mephs`	`rofl`
`01:04.18`	`Mephs`	`noob`
`01:04.20`	`Bibendus`	`lol`
`01:04.32`	`Bibendus`	`how the fuck`
`01:04.33`	`Bibendus`	`...`
`01:04.51`	`Bibendus`	`k then i hate the fact u can just place an action for each event`
`01:04.52`	`Bibendus`	`:D`
`01:05.01`	`Mephs`	`its not that complicated.`
`01:05.05`	`Bibendus`	`not complicated`
`01:05.09`	`ZarafFaraz`	`How do you "compress maps" on bnet?`
`01:05.10`	`Bibendus`	`hard to read`
`01:05.12`	`Mephs`	`plus you get better controls over animations`
`01:05.16`	`Mephs`	`and effects`
`01:05.18`	`Bibendus`	`they are just compressed by default`
`01:05.19`	`Mephs`	`with data editor`
`01:05.32`	`Mephs`	`sometimes i use triggers if its not possible to do in data`
`01:05.33`	`Bibendus`	`animations are better done in data editing`
`01:05.33`	`Bibendus`	`sure`
`01:05.36`	`Mephs`	`its not like i only use data editor`
`01:05.43`	`Bibendus`	`but here we are talking about collisions and phisics`
`01:05.44`	`Bibendus`	`:D`
`01:05.47`	`Mephs`	`yeah`
`01:06.00`	`Mephs`	`and i have 3d collision and missile tracking/targetting 90% done in data`
`01:06.07`	`Bibendus`	`90%`
`01:06.10`	`Mephs`	`the 10% is a 3d traceline trigger`
`01:06.10`	`Bibendus`	`:D`
`01:06.18`	`Bibendus`	`with triggers u can do it 100%`
`01:06.19`	`Bibendus`	`lolz`
`01:06.21`	`Bibendus`	`pwn`
`01:06.22`	`Mephs`	`yea but why`
`01:06.27`	`Mephs`	`when i dont need to do all the tedious shit`
`01:06.28`	`Bibendus`	`because u can!`
`01:06.29`	`Bibendus`	`:D`
`01:06.30`	`Mephs`	`with missile effects`
`01:06.53`	`Bibendus`	`hjowever`
`01:06.56`	`Bibendus`	`can u use now`
`01:06.57`	`Mephs`	`i'd rather just slap the effect onto a native launch missile effect`
`01:07.01`	`Mephs`	`and let it do all that`
`01:07.04`	`Bibendus`	`special engine phisic effects on missles?`
`01:07.10`	`Bibendus`	`and still do collisions check?`
`01:07.13`	`Mephs`	`yup`
`01:07.20`	`Bibendus`	`oh that's cool then`
`01:07.21`	`Bibendus`	`:D`
`01:07.25`	`Mephs`	`cause when the missile impacts something the only trigger its using is the validator`
`01:07.27`	`Mephs`	`trigger`
`01:07.35`	`Bibendus`	`but can u set`
`01:07.36`	`Mephs`	`its basically a persistent effect on the missile itself`
`01:07.40`	`Bibendus`	`a missle to just go in a direction`
`01:07.42`	`Mephs`	`that searches ahead at 0.1 intervals`
`01:07.44`	`Bibendus`	`using the special paths?`
`01:07.46`	`Mephs`	`and does a search check at each interval`
`01:07.55`	`Mephs`	`yeah i can`
`01:07.56`	`Bibendus`	`don't they need a unit as target?`
`01:07.59`	`Mephs`	`nope`
`01:08.06`	`Mephs`	`if you click target right in front of your char`
`01:08.09`	`Mephs`	`it fires in that direction`
`01:08.12`	`Mephs`	`until it hits its range limit`
`01:08.17`	`Bibendus`	`i was talking`
`01:08.19`	`Mephs`	`now say you want to hit something at a higher height`
`01:08.22`	`Bibendus`	`about special missle pathing`
`01:08.26`	`Mephs`	`nope`
`01:08.28`	`Mephs`	`you can specify a point`
`01:08.37`	`Bibendus`	`3d point`
`01:08.38`	`Bibendus`	`?`
`01:08.39`	`Mephs`	`yep`
`01:08.42`	`Bibendus`	`nice`
`01:08.46`	`Mephs`	`thats the only thing i have to trigger tho`
`01:08.50`	`Mephs`	`to give the point a Z property`
`01:08.54`	`Bibendus`	`yy`
`01:09.09`	`Mephs`	`so basically the way it works`
`01:09.14`	`Mephs`	`if you fire at a point at the same height as your char`
`01:09.17`	`Mephs`	`it will fire in a straight line`
`01:09.24`	`Mephs`	`if you want to aim it upwards say at a higher cliff point`
`01:09.31`	`ZarafFaraz`	`hey you guys know how to compress a map that is published on bnet?`
`01:09.32`	`Mephs`	`it will fire in a straight ilne towards the point you click`
`01:09.36`	`Mephs`	`but continue moving with the trajectory angle`
`01:09.39`	`Bibendus`	`and get the cliff`
`01:09.45`	`Mephs`	`so y ou can't hit points on the cliff that aren't in line of sight`
`01:09.53`	`Mephs`	`youc an only shoot in that angle and hope it hits something peeking over the edge`
`01:10.02`	`Bibendus`	`does it collide with cliffs?`
`01:10.03`	`Mephs`	`yes`
`01:10.07`	`Mephs`	`and terrain objects`
`01:10.13`	`Bibendus`	`and did u manage to do it`
`01:10.16`	`Bibendus`	`do`
`01:10.19`	`Bibendus`	`to do it with doodads too?`
`01:10.25`	`Mephs`	`you wouldn't put doodads`
`01:10.28`	`Bibendus`	`cuz thyey dont have a height`
`01:10.29`	`Mephs`	`everything has to be a terrain object`
`01:10.34`	`Bibendus`	`oh`
`01:10.37`	`Bibendus`	`:(`
`01:10.37`	`Mephs`	`or a ground level`
`01:10.42`	`Mephs`	`so it has ground height property`
`01:10.47`	`Mephs`	`terrain objects are ez tho`
`01:10.54`	`Bibendus`	`ye but i should`
`01:10.58`	`ZarafFaraz`	`Bibendus, Mephs. Do you guys know how to compress a map published on bnet?`
`01:10.59`	`Bibendus`	`set all my doodads`
`01:11.01`	`Bibendus`	`in terrain objects`
`01:11.02`	`Bibendus`	`:D`
`01:11.06`	`Mephs`	`well`
`01:11.07`	`Bibendus`	`it's already compressed`
`01:11.08`	`Bibendus`	`i said it!`
`01:11.09`	`Mephs`	`it depends if you want it to collide`
`01:11.20`	`Mephs`	`if you do then make the object a terrain obj`
`01:11.25`	`Bibendus`	`all objects with a minimum height`
`01:11.26`	`Mephs`	`but here's the other cool part`
`01:11.27`	`crazyfingers`	`Zaraf have you gone into preferences and selected save map for smaller file saves?`
`01:11.28`	`Mephs`	`if you're on top of a cliff`
`01:11.30`	`Bibendus`	`should give collisions :D`
`01:11.31`	`crazyfingers`	`rather than faster saves?`
`01:11.35`	`Mephs`	`you can't hit things hiding right under the cliff next to you`
`01:11.39`	`Mephs`	`because its out of sight`
`01:11.42`	`Mephs`	`out of line of fire`
`01:11.45`	`ZarafFaraz`	`oh it's automatically compressed? So then in the imported window, where it says what the compressed size something will be for, that is automatically applied?`
`01:11.56`	`crazyfingers`	`yep`
`01:11.57`	`Mephs`	`so you can use terrain cliffs and height strategically`
`01:12.02`	`crazyfingers`	`you can just tally all those files together`
`01:12.07`	`crazyfingers`	`and see it's the same size as your map`
`01:12.07`	`Bibendus`	`u can't even start?`
`01:12.16`	`Bibendus`	`or th e missle collides before?`
`01:12.32`	`Bibendus`	`u can't even start (the attack) ?`
`01:14.54`	`Mephs`	`no you can`
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`01:14.56`	`Mephs`	`it hits the ground at your feet`
`01:15.08`	`Mephs`	`but you can hit points on the ground further away`
`01:15.16`	`Mephs`	`it basically draws a straight line in 3d`
`01:15.20`	`Mephs`	`from the caster point to the target point`
`01:15.40`	`Mephs`	`+ a relief height, so you can say let the line hover 0.5 over the target point`
`01:15.49`	`Bibendus`	`does it get the terrain in the exact point`
`01:15.51`	`Bibendus`	`it collides?`
`01:15.54`	`Mephs`	`yup`
`01:15.58`	`Bibendus`	`even with special paths?`
`01:16.07`	`Mephs`	`yeah`
`01:16.19`	`Bibendus`	`u said it explodes`
`01:16.21`	`Bibendus`	`at your feet`
`01:16.25`	`Mephs`	`it explodes on contact with the ground`
`01:16.29`	`Mephs`	`or a terrain object`
`01:16.32`	`Bibendus`	`oh k`
`01:16.40`	`Mephs`	`so if you draw a line from you to your target point`
`01:16.47`	`Mephs`	`it will move in that exact line`
`01:16.53`	`Mephs`	`until it hits terrain or an object, or a unit`
`01:17.07`	`Mephs`	`this is just for straight line collisions right now`
`01:17.20`	`Mephs`	`but you can add motion overlays on a mover`
`01:17.27`	`Mephs`	`and the traceline will follow its path in the 3d trigger`
`01:17.35`	`Mephs`	`and find the first collision point`
`01:17.36`	`crazyfingers`	`best use of forcefields i've ever seen`
`01:17.45`	`crazyfingers`	`haha, is anyone else watching the sc game?`
`01:17.52`	`crazyfingers`	`these games are epic`
`01:17.56`	`Mephs`	`not atm`
`01:18.44`	`Bibendus`	`fucking forcefield`
`01:18.45`	`Bibendus`	`are OP`
`01:18.50`	`Bibendus`	`http://events.mlgpro.com/takeovers/procircuit/titles/starcraft?site_id=mlgpro`
`01:19.06`	`crazyfingers`	`fuckin' ramps are way too dominant in this game`
`01:19.10`	`crazyfingers`	`has bothered me from the beggining`
`01:19.16`	`Bibendus`	`AHAHAHA`
`01:19.18`	`Bibendus`	`FAILLL`
`01:19.28`	`Mephs`	`and zerg has nothing to control ramps either QQ`
`01:19.31`	`Mephs`	`only toss and terran`
`01:19.42`	`Bibendus`	`dustin browder said`
`01:19.46`	`Bibendus`	`it was intended`
`01:19.51`	`Mephs`	`only race vulnerable to ppl just waltzing right up to your expansions and raping them`
`01:19.54`	`Bibendus`	`even zerg turrets`
`01:20.00`	`Bibendus`	`can't block ramps`
`01:20.03`	`Mephs`	`yea`
`01:20.17`	`Bibendus`	`soo fail`
`01:20.20`	`Bibendus`	`they played for 10 minutes`
`01:20.22`	`Mephs`	`which makes no sense`
`01:20.23`	`Bibendus`	`on the wrong map`
`01:20.26`	`Mephs`	`a race that depends on expanding`
`01:20.26`	`Bibendus`	`and they are remaking`
`01:20.27`	`Bibendus`	`lol`
`01:20.28`	`Mephs`	`can't defend expansions`
`01:20.56`	`Exso`	`nony had that aswell`
`01:20.58`	`Bibendus`	`u can defend expansions`
`01:20.58`	`Bibendus`	`:D`
`01:21.08`	`Bibendus`	`fuck`
`01:21.10`	`Mephs`	`not as well as terran or toss can`
`01:21.11`	`Bibendus`	`I MUST GO ASLEEP`
`01:21.19`	`Bibendus`	`i can't watch 2 hours of more games`
`01:21.19`	`Bibendus`	`lol`
`01:21.21`	`Mephs`	`lol`
`01:21.54`	`Bibendus`	`n8`
`01:21.54`	`Bibendus`	`:D`
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`01:27.14`	`ZarafFaraz`	`hey Mephs`
`01:27.22`	`ZarafFaraz`	`what exactly did you do for your "boosting trigger"?`
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`01:27.36`	`Mephs`	`huh?`
`01:27.41`	`ZarafFaraz`	`have a timer that makes the game end in defeat after 5 min?`
`01:27.48`	`Mephs`	`i didn't make a trigger`
`01:27.59`	`ZarafFaraz`	`oh so you just manually did it?`
`01:28.48`	`Mephs`	`no`
`01:28.55`	`Mephs`	`just use a macro program`
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`01:29.38`	`ZarafFaraz`	`ahh ok`
`01:30.31`	`Nagnazul`	`anyone wanna playtest my mapÃ`
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`01:30.35`	`Nagnazul`	`I need some testers`
`01:31.29`	`Nagnazul`	`contact me online, nagnazul.679`
`01:31.31`	`Nagnazul`	`NA servers`
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`01:41.24`	`FockeWulf`	`anyone wanna come test a 1p/3p movement system on NA?`
`01:42.25`	`FockeWulf`	`The test is a stress test`
`01:42.31`	`FockeWulf`	`so need as many ppl as possible`
`01:47.00`	`crazyfingers`	`sure`
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`01:52.27`	`Tordy`	`How do you blend colors in images`
`01:52.29`	`Tordy`	`like gradient`
`01:52.31`	`Tordy`	`that's what i meant`
`01:54.30`	`deathnight114`	`omg`
`01:54.34`	`deathnight114`	`ahnaris casted my BM Replay`
`01:54.36`	`deathnight114`	`:D`
`01:55.21`	`FockeWulf`	`dang i didnt read`
`01:57.43`	`PassivePicasso`	`Nagnazul`
`01:59.13`	`RodOfNOD`	`man i hate it when artists cant even spell in a game lol`
`01:59.27`	`Mephs`	`tahts cuz artists can't afford education`
`01:59.38`	`RodOfNOD`	`yeah perhaps`
`02:00.51`	`RodOfNOD`	`ive found several spelling errors "devider" and "guass"`
`02:06.01`	`crazyfingers`	`anyone have a good generic rig for SC2? preferably with a run animation?`
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`02:09.00`	`FockeWulf`	`ok`
`02:09.02`	`FockeWulf`	`need 3 more`
`02:09.06`	`FockeWulf`	`for stress test`
`02:09.07`	`FockeWulf`	`have 5`
`02:09.10`	`FockeWulf`	`anyone wanna come?`
`02:09.16`	`FockeWulf`	`1st/3rd person movement on NA`
`02:09.27`	`crazyfingers`	`sure`
`02:09.33`	`crazyfingers`	`crazyfingers 345`
`02:09.35`	`FockeWulf`	`contant FockeWulf.178 on NA if you wanan test`
`02:09.37`	`FockeWulf`	`ok`
`02:10.00`	`Tordy`	`holy shit setting offsets for dialog items really piss me off`
`02:10.32`	`Tordy`	`it's so inconsistent`
`02:10.48`	`Tordy`	`and then it screws up even further when you change the style of the text`
`02:12.56`	`Mephs`	`hi tordy`
`02:13.06`	`Nagnazul`	`anyone wanna test my mapÃ`
`02:13.15`	`Nagnazul`	`I need one more tester`
`02:13.23`	`Nagnazul`	`contact me in game, nagnazul.679`
`02:13.24`	`PassivePicasso`	`+11`
`02:13.24`	`Nagnazul`	`NA servers`
`02:13.26`	`Tordy`	`FUCK THIS`
`02:14.32`	`FockeWulf`	`crazy did you HAVE to leave?`
`02:14.35`	`FockeWulf`	`ok`
`02:14.43`	`FockeWulf`	`we can do some more, may not be near as much`
`02:15.07`	`FockeWulf`	`basically on low graphics, with reduce mouse lag on`
`02:15.08`	`FockeWulf`	`it works`
`02:15.12`	`FockeWulf`	`only a spike here and there`
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`02:24.32`	`Mephs`	`whats the diff between channeld and channeling?`
`02:26.38`	`FockeWulf`	`ok stress test sucessful`
`02:27.06`	`FockeWulf`	`now i gotta make my projectile system work`
`02:27.21`	`FockeWulf`	`then remake the entire map`
`02:27.38`	`FockeWulf`	`oh and a spell targeting system as well, but that goes along with the projecile system >.`
`02:28.18`	`FockeWulf`	`nagnazul did you still want to test?`
`02:28.23`	`FockeWulf`	`i can host it up for you if you want :)`
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`02:28.31`	`FockeWulf`	`hey crazy`
`02:28.33`	`FockeWulf`	`ya missed out`
`02:28.37`	`FockeWulf`	`stress test successful`
`02:28.44`	`crazyfingers`	`ah cool, i got in`
`02:28.46`	`FockeWulf`	`the only guy who had any lag was from nz on the na server`
`02:28.48`	`crazyfingers`	`comp crashed though`
`02:28.54`	`FockeWulf`	`oh it crashed`
`02:28.55`	`crazyfingers`	`i ran around a bit`
`02:28.58`	`FockeWulf`	`well keep in mind`
`02:29.03`	`FockeWulf`	`that you need to lower settings`
`02:29.06`	`FockeWulf`	`suggested is:`
`02:29.07`	`crazyfingers`	`it actually crashed the moment a ton of units spawned`
`02:29.10`	`FockeWulf`	`graphics texture low-med`
`02:29.16`	`FockeWulf`	`and reduce mouse latency on`
`02:29.20`	`crazyfingers`	`interesting`
`02:29.27`	`crazyfingers`	`didn't know that had an effect`
`02:29.34`	`FockeWulf`	`most of the lag`
`02:29.35`	`FockeWulf`	`is trigger`
`02:29.38`	`FockeWulf`	`liek that jerkyness?`
`02:29.49`	`FockeWulf`	`is cause everything besides moving foward`
`02:29.54`	`FockeWulf`	`make the unit rotate twice`
`02:29.59`	`FockeWulf`	`and i haven't fixed that yet`
`02:30.09`	`FockeWulf`	`i also got a very simple projectile system i need to fix up so it works >.<`
`02:30.18`	`crazyfingers`	`cool`
`02:30.22`	`FockeWulf`	`but thats messing with actors cause i don't wanna spawn a bunch of units >><`
`02:30.35`	`FockeWulf`	`and im a complete and total newbe when it comes to actors`
`02:30.47`	`crazyfingers`	`main thing with actors`
`02:30.51`	`crazyfingers`	`is think about them as a unit`
`02:30.57`	`crazyfingers`	`and not an extension of a units tree`
`02:31.02`	`crazyfingers`	`an actor is the top of the hierarchy`
`02:31.10`	`crazyfingers`	`and then you just reference the unit from the actor`
`02:31.38`	`crazyfingers`	`it's confusing you just need to mess with them for a few days till they make sense`
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`02:32.04`	`FockeWulf`	`been messing with them for weeks, and i still can't get a unit morph to work on my infestation sensation map >.<`
`02:32.10`	`FockeWulf`	`well it does`
`02:32.13`	`FockeWulf`	`yet it doesn't`
`02:32.42`	`FockeWulf`	`and as far as the actor goes for the projectile`
`02:32.49`	`FockeWulf`	`all i was trying to do was spanw a longbolt missile`
`02:33.53`	`FockeWulf`	`basically the projectile system i built`
`02:33.57`	`FockeWulf`	`doesn't use a global variable`
`02:35.00`	`FockeWulf`	`and what i want to do is make it so the check for whether or not it hits will be a data editor function, kinda like a healing aura search`
`02:35.45`	`FockeWulf`	`and not a trigger thing`
`02:35.49`	`FockeWulf`	`cause triggers = lag`
`02:36.11`	`crazyfingers`	`lots of maps out there that do that if you want to reference them`
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`02:48.49`	`Ashamed`	`whats up`
`02:59.20`	`Bounty`	`><`
`03:04.41`	`FockeWulf`	`ah ok crazy`
`03:05.02`	`FockeWulf`	`well at least it works`
`03:05.10`	`FockeWulf`	`we had a guy with a cardboard computer too`
`03:21.57`	`progammer`	`(test)`
`03:22.05`	`progammer`	`dang it this channel is dead`
`03:22.37`	`Mephs`	`?`
`03:22.47`	`crazyfingers`	`The map making community is dying, yes`
`03:23.21`	`progammer`	`there's no dying, either you died or you live`
`03:23.49`	`Mephs`	`ok this is getting annoying`
`03:23.56`	`Mephs`	`aight`
`03:24.01`	`Mephs`	`so you have a missile`
`03:24.09`	`Mephs`	`thats moving really fast`
`03:24.18`	`Mephs`	`so there's big gaps in its collision search right`
`03:24.38`	`Mephs`	`so i have a persistent that searches several offsets from the missile's position each cycle`
`03:24.44`	`Mephs`	`and that works, it impacts`
`03:24.51`	`Mephs`	`but then it also impacts everything else in those offsets`
`03:24.57`	`Mephs`	`even with a periodic validator`
`03:25.06`	`Mephs`	`but its sposed to die after it hits one target`
`03:25.27`	`Mephs`	`so the periodic validator checks if the missile is alive, but it doesn't seem to work`
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`03:32.32`	`Deaod`	`people are already saying that the map making community is dying?`
`03:32.41`	`Deaod`	`what the fuck.`
`03:36.11`	`crazyfingers`	`it certainly isn't getting much better`
`03:36.36`	`crazyfingers`	`i don't even bother to log into sc to look for cool maps any more`
`03:36.55`	`Deaod`	`it IS getting better.`
`03:37.12`	`crazyfingers`	`??`
`03:37.29`	`Deaod`	`you think people will have figured out everything there is to know about the editor in just 3 to 4 months?`
`03:37.42`	`crazyfingers`	`we certainly learned what wasn't possible`
`03:37.48`	`crazyfingers`	`like getting your map played`
`03:37.51`	`crazyfingers`	`or wasd controls`
`03:37.58`	`crazyfingers`	`or real time mouse location`
`03:38.07`	`Deaod`	`errr`
`03:38.20`	`Deaod`	`are you familiar with WC3?`
`03:38.29`	`crazyfingers`	`played the hell out of custom games in that`
`03:38.40`	`crazyfingers`	`that's why everyone was so pissed`
`03:38.48`	`crazyfingers`	`because they just had to recreate that formula`
`03:38.49`	`Deaod`	`NONE of that was possible in WC3 until recently`
`03:38.58`	`Deaod`	`WASD control wasnt possible`
`03:39.07`	`crazyfingers`	`i'm not saying it is or was`
`03:39.12`	`FockeWulf`	`meh`
`03:39.13`	`FockeWulf`	`well see`
`03:39.14`	`crazyfingers`	`all i'm saying is this community is dying`
`03:39.18`	`FockeWulf`	`my system was holding up pretty well`
`03:39.25`	`FockeWulf`	`all depends on how you code it`
`03:39.27`	`Deaod`	`then why the hell do you expect it to be possible in SC2`
`03:39.28`	`crazyfingers`	`and it's all anyone talks about`
`03:39.32`	`crazyfingers`	`look at the forums`
`03:39.42`	`FockeWulf`	`ya ppl are giving up on map making`
`03:39.47`	`Deaod`	`bohooo`
`03:39.50`	`Deaod`	`really`
`03:39.54`	`FockeWulf`	`yup`
`03:40.01`	`Deaod`	`wait until the 2 expansions come out`
`03:40.06`	`FockeWulf`	`cause nothing but the top 2 pages will be played`
`03:40.06`	`Deaod`	`AT LEAST`
`03:40.07`	`FockeWulf`	`meh`
`03:40.14`	`FockeWulf`	`if they dont fix bnet 2.0`
`03:40.16`	`FockeWulf`	`then it wont matter`
`03:40.25`	`FockeWulf`	`blizz was successful cause of the custom games`
`03:40.30`	`crazyfingers`	`things could change, for better or worse`
`03:40.31`	`crazyfingers`	`we don't know`
`03:40.32`	`FockeWulf`	`their melee is decent`
`03:40.38`	`Deaod`	`also, didnt blizzard say they are looking into fixing the issues with custom maps with 1.2?`
`03:40.42`	`FockeWulf`	`but nothing spectacular`
`03:40.47`	`FockeWulf`	`meh`
`03:40.51`	`FockeWulf`	`ya they did`
`03:40.56`	`crazyfingers`	`the wall blizzard has put up is infuriating to anyone who put faith into their modding community`
`03:40.57`	`FockeWulf`	`but they have to completely rebult`
`03:41.01`	`FockeWulf`	`bnet 2.0`
`03:41.08`	`FockeWulf`	`its just to epic fail`
`03:41.18`	`FockeWulf`	`ya`
`03:41.21`	`FockeWulf`	`you see only their maps`
`03:41.26`	`FockeWulf`	`are gonna be at the top`
`03:41.34`	`FockeWulf`	`blizz is making 5 new maps`
`03:41.37`	`FockeWulf`	`including their own dota`
`03:41.43`	`FockeWulf`	`and those will be at the top`
`03:41.52`	`FockeWulf`	`and not based on popularity`
`03:42.11`	`FockeWulf`	`they've already highered a few of the expert map makers in the community`
`03:42.18`	`FockeWulf`	`for their shit`
`03:42.34`	`crazyfingers`	`it's just a fucked situaiton, they led us on about how great the map making would be, how valuable community made maps would be, and at the last moment without any communication`
`03:42.37`	`crazyfingers`	`cut it all off`
`03:42.43`	`crazyfingers`	`left us to make maps for no fucking reason`
`03:42.44`	`FockeWulf`	`well`
`03:42.47`	`crazyfingers`	`and it's fucking infuriating`
`03:42.48`	`FockeWulf`	`it was in beta as well`
`03:43.01`	`FockeWulf`	`ya see heres what i think may happen`
`03:43.02`	`FockeWulf`	`someone`
`03:43.05`	`Deaod`	`also, modding, at least for me, is not about getting my map played (which is fine, since i wont ever finish a map anyway).`
`03:43.07`	`FockeWulf`	`probably in hiveworkshop or sc2`
`03:43.11`	`FockeWulf`	`will make a 3rd party client`
`03:43.13`	`FockeWulf`	`to get around this issue`
`03:43.20`	`FockeWulf`	`so ppl know whos playing what game and ppl can join`
`03:43.38`	`FockeWulf`	`all they gotta have is the hosts name and id`
`03:43.47`	`FockeWulf`	`then pm`
`03:43.55`	`Deaod`	`well, thatll get that someone sued by blizzard`
`03:43.56`	`FockeWulf`	`granted its not perfect`
`03:44.01`	`FockeWulf`	`ya`
`03:44.02`	`FockeWulf`	`too bad too`
`03:44.12`	`FockeWulf`	`oh well`
`03:44.16`	`FockeWulf`	`its a fun exercise`
`03:44.27`	`FockeWulf`	`ive got a clan big enough to play a few games of my maps every now and then`
`03:44.42`	`FockeWulf`	`and we all dropped 60 or a 100 fucking bucks on this game`
`03:44.49`	`FockeWulf`	`so everyone wants their money's worth`
`03:45.17`	`FockeWulf`	`i can just about garintee`
`03:45.22`	`crazyfingers`	`this just isn't up to blizzard quality`
`03:45.23`	`FockeWulf`	`if they don't fix these issues soon`
`03:45.27`	`FockeWulf`	`no one is gonna buy wc4`
`03:45.33`	`crazyfingers`	`i can't think of any friends that play starcraft 2, or the mods`
`03:45.38`	`FockeWulf`	`which they have already started`
`03:45.43`	`crazyfingers`	`just the first failure blizzard's ever launched`
`03:45.46`	`FockeWulf`	`theres a mod?`
`03:45.47`	`FockeWulf`	`yup`
`03:45.49`	`crazyfingers`	`and no one wants to talk about it because it's blizzard`
`03:45.54`	`crazyfingers`	`and they shit money`
`03:45.59`	`crazyfingers`	`and no one wants to burn bridges`
`03:46.03`	`FockeWulf`	`i mean their player count on bnet when it was released was over a fucking million`
`03:46.10`	`FockeWulf`	`now its down to like a few hundred thousand`
`03:46.32`	`FockeWulf`	`it will just quietly die`
`03:46.35`	`FockeWulf`	`or turn into another cnc`
`03:46.51`	`FockeWulf`	`meh ya`
`03:46.53`	`FockeWulf`	`probably cnc`
`03:47.10`	`crazyfingers`	`who knows, i sure wont be buying any of the other games`
`03:47.15`	`FockeWulf`	`they fuck their custom games in the ass they are no better than cnc or any other rts`
`03:47.16`	`FockeWulf`	`ya`
`03:47.18`	`crazyfingers`	`unless the modding comunity stops being shit on`
`03:47.19`	`FockeWulf`	`like d3`
`03:47.22`	`FockeWulf`	`not even gonna touch that`
`03:47.33`	`FockeWulf`	`and i think a lot of ppl are having second thoughts about d3`
`03:47.34`	`crazyfingers`	`i bought this game to make a fun mod to put into my portfolio`
`03:47.47`	`crazyfingers`	`took it very seriously and wasted about 4 months hard work on this damned game`
`03:48.02`	`FockeWulf`	`hmm`
`03:48.04`	`FockeWulf`	`well`
`03:48.15`	`FockeWulf`	`ive got a group big enough to get games going on occasion`
`03:48.23`	`FockeWulf`	`the more ppl in the group the more games we can get going`
`03:48.35`	`FockeWulf`	`trouble is theres a few other groups like that`
`03:48.45`	`FockeWulf`	`and EVERYONE wants their voip to be the one used >.<`
`03:48.57`	`Deaod`	`voip?`
`03:49.02`	`Deaod`	`VoIP?`
`03:49.03`	`FockeWulf`	`voice over ip`
`03:49.07`	`Deaod`	`mkay`
`03:49.08`	`FockeWulf`	`like ventrilo and teamspeak`
`03:49.17`	`FockeWulf`	`which is what clan rks (my clan) uses`
`03:49.18`	`FockeWulf`	`teamspeak 3`
`03:49.23`	`FockeWulf`	`if you want the info i can give it to you`
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`03:49.40`	`Deaod`	`which region?`
`03:49.43`	`FockeWulf`	`NA`
`03:49.46`	`FockeWulf`	`uswest mostly`
`03:49.46`	`Deaod`	`too bad`
`03:49.51`	`FockeWulf`	`we got some aus and nz too`
`03:49.51`	`Deaod`	`EU here`
`03:49.53`	`Deaod`	`so`
`03:50.02`	`FockeWulf`	`meh`
`03:50.05`	`Deaod`	`i wont even bother`
`03:50.09`	`FockeWulf`	`fair enough`
`03:50.16`	`FockeWulf`	`well on the plus side`
`03:50.18`	`FockeWulf`	`they may fix it`
`03:50.30`	`FockeWulf`	`turns out they made it possible for aus and nz players to log onto the NA server`
`03:50.42`	`FockeWulf`	`granted they need to change something in their account profile but they can`
`03:51.08`	`FockeWulf`	`so at least they can go back and forth`
`03:51.14`	`Deaod`	`yknow, i dont think theyre going to change anything about region locking`
`03:51.16`	`progammer`	`its like a bonus for the higher price at SEA`
`03:51.35`	`progammer`	`though their server is desrted anyway`
`03:52.36`	`Deaod`	`again, i dont think the community is dying. WC3s community was "dying" since 2005.`
`03:52.56`	`Deaod`	`or probably even right after WC3 launched.`
`03:53.55`	`crazyfingers`	`I still stand by my message that it's dying`
`03:53.56`	`Deaod`	`i think most of the bugs in SC2 that allow for awesome modding havent even been found yet.`
`03:54.23`	`crazyfingers`	`i don't see how you could think it isn't dying`
`03:54.45`	`crazyfingers`	`the main culprit being the popularity system`
`03:54.50`	`Deaod`	`errr, there are tons of people modding right now?`
`03:54.55`	`crazyfingers`	`no contact with blizzard which is very shadey`
`03:55.09`	`crazyfingers`	`you would think with all the shit that's gone down they would be more open with what they're doing to fix it, but they aren't`
`03:55.22`	`crazyfingers`	`combined with their more agressive profit schemes`
`03:55.33`	`crazyfingers`	`you can't help but wonder what their overall motivation is right now`
`03:55.44`	`crazyfingers`	`why they seem to be purposefully kiliing the community`
`03:55.53`	`Deaod`	`good think Blizzard is not a company...`
`03:55.57`	`Deaod`	`thing*`
`03:56.05`	`Deaod`	`oh wait, they are...`
`03:56.13`	`Deaod`	`so yeah, its probably money`
`03:56.18`	`crazyfingers`	`no shit`
`03:56.41`	`crazyfingers`	`greed and the want for more consistent money is killing the custom map community`
`03:56.44`	`crazyfingers`	`that was my point`
`03:56.46`	`crazyfingers`	`to begin with`
`03:56.49`	`crazyfingers`	`and they led us on`
`03:56.51`	`crazyfingers`	`then fucked us`
`03:56.57`	`crazyfingers`	`and i don't know why`
`03:57.07`	`crazyfingers`	`why didn't they just say at the start "we wont be supporting custom maps so much"`
`03:57.17`	`Deaod`	`because thats bad PR`
`03:57.22`	`crazyfingers`	`true enough`
`03:57.25`	`crazyfingers`	`i should just get over it`
`03:57.47`	`Deaod`	`were you in the beta?`
`03:57.51`	`crazyfingers`	`yes`
`03:59.02`	`Deaod`	`i dont know, most of the downsides were known before launch.`
`03:59.11`	`Deaod`	`like the shitty script language.`
`03:59.44`	`Deaod`	`or the region locking`
`03:59.58`	`Deaod`	`or the horrendously bad custom map list.`
`04:00.12`	`progammer`	`i always expect the magic to happen when they have the final expansion`
`04:00.19`	`progammer`	`so no they havent dissapointed me`
`04:00.25`	`Deaod`	`^`
`04:00.27`	`Deaod`	`exactly.`
`04:01.43`	`Deaod`	`most of the awesomeness for WC3 came with TFT.`
`04:01.47`	`Deaod`	`not ROC`
`04:02.11`	`Deaod`	`so sit back and enjoy the ride until Blizzard launches LotV`
`04:02.47`	`Deaod`	`which wont be until 3 years into the future at least`
`04:03.06`	`progammer`	`problem is that it does not keep ppl until then`
`04:03.17`	`progammer`	`and we have shorter attention span`
`04:03.30`	`Deaod`	`people will return`
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`04:04.28`	`Deaod`	`but i also expect major improvements to ship with HotS`
`04:05.05`	`crazyfingers`	`so much is up in the air`
`04:05.10`	`crazyfingers`	`don't know what to think`
`04:05.21`	`crazyfingers`	`i hear HotS will be more hero based`
`04:05.48`	`crazyfingers`	`and yes the editor will likely have much better functionality by then, but the question remains how will custom and payed maps be handled?`
`04:06.04`	`crazyfingers`	`how much irreversable damage has been done to the mapping community?`
`04:06.10`	`Deaod`	`i dont expect payed maps to ever happen`
`04:06.16`	`crazyfingers`	`how many people have tried custom games and been dissapointed never to try them again`
`04:06.52`	`crazyfingers`	`at this point i'm just doing art`
`04:07.01`	`crazyfingers`	`it doesn't matter if people play the mod`
`04:07.07`	`crazyfingers`	`or if my teammate ever get around to making it`
`04:07.14`	`crazyfingers`	`at least my work wont go up in smoke`
`04:07.26`	`crazyfingers`	`i can put it in my resume, maybe use it later down the road in a future mod`
`04:07.47`	`FockeWulf`	`if you want an honest to god project`
`04:07.48`	`crazyfingers`	`but my drive to help make starcraft 2 a better game is greatly diminished`
`04:08.03`	`FockeWulf`	`i know a group making an st flight sim (open source) thats needs anyone and everyone to help make it`
`04:08.23`	`crazyfingers`	`not really my style, but thanks`
`04:08.32`	`crazyfingers`	`i'm more into environments`
`04:08.38`	`crazyfingers`	`or fantasy and sci fi`
`04:08.55`	`FockeWulf`	`st= star trek >.>`
`04:08.59`	`FockeWulf`	`it is sci fi`
`04:09.06`	`crazyfingers`	`ohhh`
`04:09.11`	`crazyfingers`	`that's pretty cool`
`04:09.19`	`crazyfingers`	`eh, i've got too much invested into this right now`
`04:09.21`	`FockeWulf`	`as in you fly around in defaints and strafe klingon neghvars`
`04:09.22`	`FockeWulf`	`which ive done`
`04:09.34`	`crazyfingers`	`buddy of mine makes ships for star trek online`
`04:09.36`	`crazyfingers`	`coincidently`
`04:09.46`	`FockeWulf`	`dude we need him soo bad lol`
`04:10.01`	`crazyfingers`	`he'd be fired i'm sure`
`04:10.05`	`crazyfingers`	`if he helped ;)`
`04:10.06`	`FockeWulf`	`we are using the open source vega strike engine (but pretty much tearing it appart)`
`04:10.12`	`FockeWulf`	`lol`
`04:10.19`	`FockeWulf`	`you wann see some ingame screens?`
`04:10.25`	`crazyfingers`	`sure`
`04:10.47`	`FockeWulf`	`ok let me go over to my older laptop`
`04:10.49`	`FockeWulf`	`find the link`
`04:10.55`	`FockeWulf`	`paste it into teamspeak`
`04:11.00`	`FockeWulf`	`and then copy n paste it into irc`
`04:11.02`	`FockeWulf`	`>.`
`04:12.32`	`FockeWulf`	`http://wcjunction.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1348&start=175`
`04:13.03`	`FockeWulf`	`http://wcjunction.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=694&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0`
`04:13.08`	`FockeWulf`	`esgarath`
`04:13.12`	`FockeWulf`	`esgaroth*`
`04:13.15`	`FockeWulf`	`the leader of the project`
`04:13.31`	`FockeWulf`	`is a german neurobioligist professor`
`04:13.44`	`FockeWulf`	`and most of the leaders are in german`
`04:13.51`	`FockeWulf`	`but they speak fluent english so all good`
`04:14.12`	`FockeWulf`	`the master graphics artistts are in canada and i think one in arizona`
`04:14.15`	`FockeWulf`	`im just a novice`
`04:14.21`	`FockeWulf`	`let me find you some space screens`
`04:15.41`	`FockeWulf`	`we also got about as close as it gets to an honest to god intersystem warp system`
`04:15.42`	`FockeWulf`	`>.>`
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`04:18.09`	`yoplay`	`Mozared in here?`
`04:18.20`	`yoplay`	`nope :(`
`04:19.23`	`FockeWulf`	`gah takes forever to find these screenshots every time`
`04:19.24`	`FockeWulf`	`http://wcjunction.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1175`
`04:19.38`	`progammer`	`mozared does not frequent irc, but you can pm him`
`04:20.08`	`crazyfingers`	`very decent klingon warbird`
`04:20.12`	`crazyfingers`	`what engine you guys using?`
`04:20.29`	`yoplay`	`i can't, I'm banned :P`
`04:20.41`	`FockeWulf`	`vega strike open source`
`04:20.43`	`crazyfingers`	`well done`
`04:20.46`	`crazyfingers`	`how'd you get banned?`
`04:20.47`	`FockeWulf`	`and thats a romulan warbird`
`04:21.00`	`crazyfingers`	`ah, my bad haha`
`04:21.18`	`yoplay`	`supposedly abusive advertisement :P`
`04:21.35`	`yoplay`	`ofc, sixen was kinda right`
`04:22.30`	`yoplay`	`only problem is that it looks like he only acts against my website, while I see tons of other links to other websites that aren't getting moderated. :P`
`04:28.00`	`Sixen`	`What was I right about?`
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`05:11.05`	`Mephs`	`fucking ridiculous again`
`05:11.10`	`FockeWulf`	`oh bounty made battlefield egypt`
`05:11.13`	`Mephs`	`6 marauders & 10 marines > 60 zerglings + 10 roaches`
`05:11.17`	`Mephs`	`fucking piece of shit game`
`05:11.26`	`FockeWulf`	`i was wondering why that name looked familiar`
`05:11.28`	`FockeWulf`	`mmhnmm`
`05:11.33`	`FockeWulf`	`helions`
`05:11.51`	`Mephs`	`fucker didn't even micro`
`05:11.52`	`Mephs`	`at all`
`05:11.55`	`crazyfingers`	`what game?`
`05:11.56`	`Mephs`	`just stim lolololol`
`05:12.00`	`crazyfingers`	`streaming league game?`
`05:12.01`	`RodOfNOD`	`lol`
`05:12.14`	`FockeWulf`	`anyone up for some battlefield egypt?`
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`05:12.49`	`FockeWulf`	`pm fockewulf.178 if you want to`
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`05:30.33`	`FockeWulf`	`hey is bounty here?`
`05:30.41`	`FockeWulf`	`nvm`
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`05:50.12`	`Maknyuzz`	`hi guys`
`05:50.21`	`Maknyuzz`	`i cannot publish map`
`05:50.25`	`Maknyuzz`	`is this a bug or what?`
`05:50.38`	`Maknyuzz`	`it says not enough space`
`05:50.52`	`Maknyuzz`	`eventhough i have full space`
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`06:26.01`	`RodOfNOD`	`anyone alive?`
`06:26.53`	`Maknyuzz`	`me`
`06:28.48`	`crazyfingers`	`sup`
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`06:31.18`	`Maknyuzz`	`if u delete map u cannot publish it again?`
`06:31.22`	`Maknyuzz`	`what a mess`
`06:35.00`	`FockeWulf`	`sup`
`06:44.25`	`Mephs`	`oh wtf`
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`06:44.32`	`Mephs`	`i hate when you spend 3 hrs trying to figure out why something isn't working`
`06:44.37`	`Mephs`	`and you swear you tried one method`
`06:44.39`	`Mephs`	`and it didn't work`
`06:44.47`	`Mephs`	`then you try it again later and it works.`
`06:45.07`	`crazyfingers`	`better than trying for 6 horus and nothing works`
`06:45.22`	`crazyfingers`	`learn all kinds of crap during those 3 hours too`
`06:45.29`	`Mephs`	`i haven't learnt shit`
`06:45.36`	`Mephs`	`except that i was right`
`06:45.37`	`Mephs`	`oO`
`06:45.59`	`crazyfingers`	`good times`
`06:46.06`	`crazyfingers`	`what map you working on mephs?`
`06:46.10`	`Mephs`	`arena`
`06:46.18`	`crazyfingers`	`ah, yeah that's what rrowland was saying`
`06:46.22`	`Mephs`	`i need to make the missiles use real 3d collision`
`06:46.28`	`Mephs`	`i got it working in 90% data`
`06:46.40`	`Mephs`	`so you can choose to fire across a gap`
`06:46.42`	`Mephs`	`or down into it`
`06:46.43`	`Mephs`	`at will`
`06:46.52`	`crazyfingers`	`wont that lag?`
`06:46.55`	`Mephs`	`nope`
`06:46.56`	`crazyfingers`	`is it FPS?`
`06:46.59`	`Mephs`	`no`
`06:47.03`	`crazyfingers`	`oh i gotcha`
`06:47.03`	`Mephs`	`its just a launch missile effect.`
`06:47.14`	`crazyfingers`	`interesting`
`06:47.16`	`crazyfingers`	`could be cool`
`06:47.35`	`Mephs`	`tricky part i can't do in data`
`06:47.41`	`Mephs`	`is knowing if its at the right height to impact a player`
`06:47.49`	`Mephs`	`there's no real-time height validator -_-`
`06:47.59`	`crazyfingers`	`hmmm`
`06:48.14`	`crazyfingers`	`could you duplicate height info to be in tune with a value that is validatable?`
`06:48.30`	`Mephs`	`closest thing i could find was uh`
`06:48.35`	`Mephs`	`compare field`
`06:48.41`	`Mephs`	`but that's just a static value entry`
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`06:49.57`	`crazyfingers`	`bummer`
`06:50.21`	`Mephs`	`its not that big a deal`
`06:50.30`	`Mephs`	`the trigger fixes it up just fine`
`06:54.07`	`crazyfingers`	`rockin'`
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`06:58.37`	`RodOfNOD`	`who knows what this is? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12240115/WIPHelpScreen.JPG`
`06:59.11`	`HRPuffinstuf`	`someones custom help screen?`
`06:59.23`	`RodOfNOD`	`kinda depends on what u mean by custom`
`06:59.40`	`HRPuffinstuf`	`ive never done one`
`06:59.51`	`RodOfNOD`	`took me all day but i made that now i know ur saying omg what a waste of time u did nothing... but that screen is a dialog box NOT a help screen :>`
`07:00.12`	`HRPuffinstuf`	`oh, it looks exactly like a help screen`
`07:00.20`	`RodOfNOD`	`its supposed to`
`07:00.21`	`HRPuffinstuf`	`im sure a dialog is more functional, good choice`
`07:00.34`	`RodOfNOD`	`i used all the sc2layout files to find exactly what they used to make it`
`07:00.49`	`RodOfNOD`	`well considering that u cant easily change the tech charts`
`07:00.54`	`RodOfNOD`	`its kinda somehting people need`
`07:01.12`	`HRPuffinstuf`	`i wanted to recreate the main UI but I couldnt`
`07:01.28`	`RodOfNOD`	`what couldnt u do?`
`07:01.41`	`HRPuffinstuf`	`because I have to disable the UI to make the camera work, but I would have rather kept it`
`07:01.59`	`RodOfNOD`	`what exactly was ur goal`
`07:02.00`	`HRPuffinstuf`	`the whole bottom of the screen UI, i didnt try sc2layouts tho`
`07:02.10`	`RodOfNOD`	`well so far sc2layouts dont do jack for me`
`07:02.17`	`RodOfNOD`	`but they are a good source of detail`
`07:02.28`	`HRPuffinstuf`	`i just did a custom minimap instead`
`07:02.38`	`RodOfNOD`	`u couldplace a bunch of dialogs around the existing console`
`07:02.44`	`RodOfNOD`	`and it would look like u had a custom ui`
`07:03.13`	`HRPuffinstuf`	`my problem now is getting a few missile to launch from the proper point`
`07:08.43`	`Demalii`	`anyone have ideas on this http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/data/14502-ability-blast-animation-issues/#p2`
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`07:15.59`	`Araxnid`	`where i can see, how blizz create "preview" scenes? this hipoly cinematics`
`07:16.14`	`Araxnid`	`jut opend them in prewiever and no idea, how they got all of this to work`
`07:25.01`	`allenmelon`	`how do i explain to my friend who is new to blizzard, how much of a variety sc2 custom maps can be?`
`07:25.31`	`crazyfingers`	`have him play nexus wars 10 time`
`07:25.31`	`crazyfingers`	`s`
`07:25.35`	`currydevil`	`lol`
`07:25.56`	`crazyfingers`	`seriously just find a few links on youtube`
`07:25.58`	`allenmelon`	`he doesnt have the game yet`
`07:26.05`	`crazyfingers`	`to custom maps`
`07:26.07`	`allenmelon`	`yeah im linking him to utube videos right now`
`07:26.16`	`allenmelon`	`showed him sotis and the fps waterworks map`
`07:26.28`	`allenmelon`	`what are some other revolutionary sc2 maps?`
`07:26.34`	`crazyfingers`	`here's the one i made`
`07:26.34`	`crazyfingers`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIdvQ32WBjE`
`07:26.39`	`crazyfingers`	`it's a space sim`
`07:27.45`	`Araxnid`	`hey? someone got idea how to animate all this ? l`
`07:29.01`	`crazyfingers`	`all what araxnid?`
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`07:33.31`	`FuzzYD`	`does anyone know if theres a way to use a border .dds asset on a dialog control image?..`
`07:34.14`	`FuzzYD`	`ive been trying but the image border refuses to display correctly`
`07:39.36`	`Araxnid`	`i about blizzard cinematics in sc2`
`07:40.12`	`Araxnid`	`for example - where raynor assault cruser of valirian`
`07:42.24`	`Araxnid`	`valerian`
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`08:06.35`	`Tordy`	`hi there`
`08:10.49`	`Araxnid`	`Tordy`
`08:10.50`	`Araxnid`	`do you know`
`08:10.59`	`Araxnid`	`how to create working preview cinema?`
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`10:37.45`	`Exso`	`is there anyway to align text to center in a label dialog item?`
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`11:00.13`	`Tordy`	`hi there`
`11:02.34`	`Araxnid`	`HI TORDY!@`
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`11:22.18`	`Rodrigo`	`I need a new thought of the week for debates`
`11:23.03`	`Tordy`	`hi RodOfNOD`
`11:23.05`	`Tordy`	`hi Rodrigo`
`11:23.07`	`Tordy`	`hi Araxnid`
`11:23.10`	`Rodrigo`	`who is willing to suggest me "The contest map winners are not fun"?`
`11:23.15`	`Rodrigo`	`hi`
`11:23.57`	`Rodrigo`	`I know a good one`
`11:24.08`	`Rodrigo`	`"Photon Command is better than Swarm Defense"`
`11:24.11`	`Rodrigo`	`I will add this one`
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`11:36.20`	`Tordy`	`hi there`
`11:36.23`	`Tordy`	`test`
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`14:03.41`	`Hisui`	`hey`
`14:04.06`	`Hisui`	`could somebody sacrifice a little time to help me with fixing my map's scoreboard? i finished everything else and im just getting stuck on that little bit... its almost ready for playtesting`
`14:25.59`	`Dekar`	`silence`
`14:29.27`	`Hisui`	`yeah, by now i got it fixed myself :P`
`14:34.25`	`Dekar`	`:D`
`14:38.01`	`A1win`	`mmh... I can scale dialog images by turning off tiling, but it doesn't scale 1:1 on width/height... so how am I supposed to create progress bars?`
`14:38.26`	`A1win`	`that are cut at certain width`
`14:39.14`	`A1win`	`or do I crop it by resizing the dialog it's in?`
`14:39.52`	`A1win`	`oh there's a type for the image too`
`14:40.20`	`A1win`	`which does what exactly...`
`14:41.13`	`A1win`	`nothing useful`
`14:44.06`	`A1win`	`bah, the image flows out from the dialog, so can't crop it with that either`
`14:44.17`	`A1win`	`oops, nevermind`
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`15:24.13`	`Hati`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72FC7nMiHjk&feature=channel :/`
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`15:58.04`	`A1win`	`http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/pte/Screenshot2010-11-07%2017_56_46.jpg`
`15:58.05`	`A1win`	`http://a1win.pp.fi/ss/sc2/pte/Screenshot2010-11-07%2017_54_28.jpg`
`15:58.12`	`A1win`	`feedback on the UI?`
`15:59.03`	`A1win`	`the progress bar shows the next attack wave, it has a tooltip to explain it`
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`15:59.15`	`Leaderboard`	`Hi everyone`
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`15:59.28`	`Kyro`	`?`
`15:59.32`	`Leaderboard`	`You saw that new Final Stand map on EU ?`
`15:59.45`	`Kyro`	`Clord â¥`
`15:59.51`	`Leaderboard`	`it's actually quiet fun`
`16:00.37`	`Hisui`	`i need somebody to playtest my map right now`
`16:00.43`	`Hisui`	`got 2o thers, just need a last`
`16:00.49`	`Hisui`	`gogogogo`
`16:00.53`	`Leaderboard`	`is it`
`16:00.54`	`Leaderboard`	`on EU ?`
`16:00.55`	`Leaderboard`	`or NA ?`
`16:00.56`	`Hisui`	`yes`
`16:00.57`	`Hisui`	`EU`
`16:00.58`	`Leaderboard`	`ok`
`16:00.59`	`Leaderboard`	`code ?`
`16:01.02`	`Hisui`	`sana.317`
`16:02.06`	`Hisui`	`one more!`
`16:02.07`	`Hisui`	`nvm`
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`16:09.03`	`azeaz`	`lu`
`16:09.04`	`azeaz`	`plz`
`16:09.07`	`azeaz`	`wassup nigga`
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`16:22.58`	`A1win`	`is the "Radar" flag for unit filter that the unit is detected by radar or what?`
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`16:28.41`	`A1win`	`doesn't seem so... any idea how to check if unit is detected by a sensor tower?`
`16:29.04`	`A1win`	`does it add a behavior to the unit?`
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`16:41.11`	`Hisui`	`real quick`
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`18:09.26`	`A1win`	`hmm... if the units I'm adding to an attack wave right when they spawn are spawned near enemy units and kill them, they forget they were supposed to attack to a certain point afterwards x.x`
`18:12.22`	`A1win`	`but if they encounter something on their way later, they still continue to the right place... so I wonder how to fix it that they also remember it if they spot an enemy when they spawn`
`18:15.21`	`A1win`	`oh well maybe I can hackfix it by setting the attack wave gather point to be the destination too :>`
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`18:16.23`	`Dryeyece`	`hey everyone`
`18:16.54`	`Dryeyece`	`anyone know if there is such a thing as a bridge that can connect 2 cliffs and that units can also pass under?`
`18:18.20`	`A1win`	`not really`
`18:18.47`	`A1win`	`it could be possible so that when you are passing over, units can't pass under, and vice versa`
`18:19.10`	`A1win`	`it'd screw pathfinding though`
`18:19.26`	`A1win`	`use teleports :P`
`18:19.37`	`Dryeyece`	`yeah ill prolly just fabricate some sort of excuse for teleporting the player lol`
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`18:28.18`	`Araxnid`	`can someone explain how blizz create they cinematics?`
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`18:28.31`	`Araxnid`	`i mean this "hipoly" cinematics`
`18:28.34`	`Araxnid`	`high*`
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`18:36.05`	`Demonette`	`=/ No Helral? -.-`
`18:36.07`	`Demonette`	`well hi`
`18:36.10`	`Demonette`	`anyways`
`18:39.40`	`Hisui`	`Araxnid: modeling software, sculpting software, motion capture`
`18:39.56`	`Hisui`	`photoshop`
`18:41.37`	`progammer`	`Araxnid: and budget`
`18:43.31`	`Araxnid`	`i mean not this 3ds max video`
`18:43.46`	`Araxnid`	`im about ingame video`
`18:43.49`	`Araxnid`	`with highpoly models`
`18:44.40`	`Sevenix`	`they are in the gamefiles`
`18:44.49`	`Araxnid`	`yes im know`
`18:44.57`	`Araxnid`	`i donwload all scene files, thx to progammer`
`18:45.20`	`Araxnid`	`but, they useless. no idea how they create all this things. Okay, they just placed all in previewer but how they get all this to work?`
`18:46.15`	`Araxnid`	`i read smh in forums about imported camera`
`18:46.20`	`progammer`	`have you used the map cinematic player ?`
`18:46.27`	`progammer`	`every SM models`
`18:46.30`	`progammer`	`(high quality)`
`18:46.37`	`progammer`	`have their animation for the entire scene`
`18:46.48`	`progammer`	`and they just put it in position, play the animation`
`18:46.51`	`progammer`	`including camera`
`18:46.56`	`progammer`	`ie camera move over time`
`18:47.04`	`progammer`	`so that goes the entire scene`
`18:47.27`	`progammer`	`the lack of other animation make our cinematic impossible`
`18:47.34`	`progammer`	`look up the freebird cinematic`
`18:47.56`	`Hisui`	`whats faster performance wise, "for each player i in player group" or "pick each player in playergroup"?`
`18:48.03`	`Araxnid`	`so, we cant create our own cinematic? i mean, they just do all this things in smh like 3ds max and import it?`
`18:48.04`	`progammer`	`same`
`18:48.08`	`progammer`	`Hisui: same`
`18:48.21`	`progammer`	`the only problem is you cant nest 2 pick loop`
`18:48.45`	`Hisui`	`http://pastebin.com/ZW7gTAFB`
`18:48.57`	`Hisui`	`this function is rrrrrreaaaaaaallllllyyyyyyyy slow`
`18:49.01`	`Hisui`	`like 1 second between each foreach step`
`18:49.05`	`Hisui`	`but i dunno how to improve it :(`
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`18:55.13`	`Araxnid`	`ok freebird cinematic is nice`
`18:55.20`	`Araxnid`	`i mean, its cool =)) hehe..`
`18:55.34`	`Araxnid`	`but still it gives no answer how to animate all this in editor`
`18:55.41`	`A1win`	`Hisui, why do you create the dialogs for all players for each player? :>`
`18:55.44`	`Araxnid`	`hm//`
`18:56.50`	`A1win`	`the dialogs are created i times, but all of them are shown to all players anyway`
`18:57.02`	`A1win`	`so you basically get i copies of your GUI... unless I'm reading it wrong`
`18:57.52`	`Hisui`	`note the X Distance bit at the end`
`18:58.00`	`Hisui`	`it moves the next dialog in the foreach by a small amount`
`18:58.09`	`Hisui`	`e.g. a dialog is created for every player's statistics`
`18:58.16`	`Hisui`	`since I wanted to make a screen displaying everyone's scores etc.`
`18:58.17`	`A1win`	`oh`
`18:58.36`	`Hisui`	`maybe its a good idea to make 1 dialog for all of these`
`18:58.37`	`Hisui`	`?`
`18:58.51`	`Hisui`	`but still i cant imagine what could possibly cause all the lag`
`19:00.29`	`Araxnid`	`okay, so i think it can be animated`
`19:00.33`	`Araxnid`	`but ho to work with camera? ))`
`19:00.39`	`A1win`	`use the Create Dialog Item (Label) action so you can set the starting values to it when it's created instead of setting them afterwards with more actions?`
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`19:03.48`	`Hisui`	`good idea`
`19:03.55`	`A1win`	`uh... my triggers take up 214 kB of space when compressed, 1.44 MB uncompressed X_x`
`19:05.01`	`Hisui`	`can you force a map to normal game speed in lobbies?`
`19:05.26`	`A1win`	`yup`
`19:05.49`	`A1win`	`in game variants, set and lock`
`19:05.58`	`Hisui`	`i went to game variants, game speed, set value to normal for all players and locked`
`19:06.06`	`Hisui`	`but its still "aster" in lobby`
`19:06.08`	`Hisui`	`faster*`
`19:06.28`	`A1win`	`did you set that variant as the default?`
`19:06.56`	`Hisui`	`yup, theres only one too`
`19:06.57`	`A1win`	`right click the variant and check Default`
`19:07.05`	`A1win`	`mmf...`
`19:07.19`	`A1win`	`not sure then, I haven't actually changed it`
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`19:13.41`	`Obatztrara`	`hey guys`
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`19:25.46`	`Rushhour`	`all you can do with dialogs can be done for a single player (PlayerGroupSingle(theplayer) may be necessary sometimes)`
`19:26.00`	`Rushhour`	`there is no need to create more than one dialog if they look and do the same ;D`
`19:26.01`	`Araxnid`	`how the damn`
`19:26.06`	`Araxnid`	`they create this storysets`
`19:26.07`	`Araxnid`	`lol`
`19:26.20`	`Araxnid`	`they even dont have just model of hyperion without this effects`
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`19:29.36`	`A1win`	`great... Dialog Item Color returns an image type, not a color <.<`
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`19:36.05`	`RodOfNOD`	`anyone on that has tried to add an icon to a text data type?`
`19:36.16`	`A1win`	`yeah`
`19:36.24`	`RodOfNOD`	`i want the icon to be small`
`19:36.32`	`RodOfNOD`	`ie im faking a tooltip`
`19:36.36`	`A1win`	`addd height="16" width="16"`
`19:36.37`	`RodOfNOD`	`for a unit`
`19:36.39`	`A1win`	`or whatever`
`19:36.52`	`RodOfNOD`	`where <img path="Assets\Textures\icon-mineral-terran.dds"/>`
`19:37.00`	`A1win`	`anywhere before the /`
`19:37.13`	`A1win`	`just separate each attribute with a space`
`19:37.13`	`RodOfNOD`	`<img path="Assets\Textures\icon-mineral-terran.dds" height="16" width="16"/>`
`19:37.21`	`A1win`	`mm`
`19:37.30`	`RodOfNOD`	`slick ty`
`19:37.38`	`RodOfNOD`	`how did u figure that out`
`19:37.40`	`A1win`	`or <img height="16" path="..." width="16"/> should work too :P`
`19:37.50`	`A1win`	`with luck <.<`
`19:37.56`	`A1win`	`I just tried it and it worked`
`19:38.02`	`A1win`	`after someone told me it's not possible :P`
`19:38.08`	`RodOfNOD`	`hehe`
`19:38.17`	`RodOfNOD`	`how bout finding the correct textstyle`
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`19:38.24`	`RodOfNOD`	`i chose the ones that should logically be it`
`19:38.28`	`RodOfNOD`	`but no they are not correct`
`19:38.30`	`A1win`	`mmh I think I have those too`
`19:38.35`	`A1win`	`like an ability tooltip?`
`19:38.43`	`RodOfNOD`	`<s val="TooltipTitle_Tech">`
`19:38.52`	`RodOfNOD`	`well like a training tip`
`19:38.54`	`RodOfNOD`	`or ability`
`19:38.56`	`RodOfNOD`	`or upgrade`
`19:38.57`	`A1win`	`mm`
`19:39.02`	`A1win`	`training and upgrades are abilities too :P`
`19:39.13`	`RodOfNOD`	`ok then an ability tooltip`
`19:39.36`	`A1win`	`just need to find it <.<`
`19:40.22`	`A1win`	`<s val="StandardTooltipHeader_Terr">Title</s>`
`19:40.31`	`A1win`	`then the small line breaks, I faked them with this:`
`19:40.41`	`A1win`	`<s val="Standard10"><n/></s>`
`19:41.20`	`A1win`	`<s val="StandardTooltip_Terr">icons and icon labels here</s>`
`19:41.23`	`A1win`	`then another line break`
`19:41.35`	`A1win`	`and then tooltip text without styles`
`19:41.36`	`RodOfNOD`	`k`
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`19:42.29`	`A1win`	`that's for a terran tooltip obviously`
`19:46.35`	`RodOfNOD`	`very slick ty`
`19:46.40`	`A1win`	`nps`
`19:47.26`	`A1win`	`is there any way to change the color of a dialog progress bar? changing the dialog item's color only changes its borders, but not the actual bar`
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`19:47.49`	`Hisui`	`can you define default values for an array?`
`19:48.21`	`A1win`	`only the same one for all indexes I think`
`19:48.44`	`RodOfNOD`	`i dont think so cuz the color is race dependant A1win`
`19:48.46`	`RodOfNOD`	`http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12240115/MOCKUPHELP.jpg`
`19:48.51`	`RodOfNOD`	`however ucould probably fake ur own bar`
`19:49.00`	`RodOfNOD`	`what do u think?`
`19:50.29`	`RodOfNOD`	`i could either have the tool tip show for each icon above OR i could have the it show mins gas and food below and thenhave a tooltip for just the description show up say when u overed over the name scout?`
`19:50.38`	`RodOfNOD`	`ormaybe uhave a better suggestion`
`19:50.49`	`A1win`	`hmm maybe I can change the progress bar image?`
`19:51.01`	`RodOfNOD`	`u canbut i think they tint it`
`19:51.04`	`RodOfNOD`	`let me go look`
`19:51.09`	`A1win`	`yeah they do...`
`19:51.21`	`A1win`	`progress-queue.dds, it's white`
`19:51.38`	`RodOfNOD`	`k well u could probably fake it fairlyeasily`
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`19:56.21`	`Hisui`	`if i create a dialog item in a custom action`
`19:56.32`	`Hisui`	`how do i transfer it to the trigger I call that action in?`
`19:56.37`	`Hisui`	`"last created dialog item" doesnt work`
`19:57.30`	`A1win`	`use variables ;p`
`19:57.56`	`A1win`	`oh`
`19:58.02`	`A1win`	`right, mmh`
`19:58.22`	`A1win`	`make it a function and return it?`
`19:58.25`	`RodOfNOD`	`do u use anyprogress bars hisui?`
`19:58.39`	`RodOfNOD`	`cuz if u dont i have a slick way`
`19:59.02`	`A1win`	`he's not making progress bars, I am :P`
`19:59.19`	`RodOfNOD`	`he might be`
`19:59.21`	`RodOfNOD`	`thats why im asking`
`19:59.26`	`RodOfNOD`	`Hisui`
`19:59.35`	`currydevil`	`A1win check out this map`
`19:59.36`	`RodOfNOD`	`u need to respond to our questions if u wanthelp`
`19:59.36`	`currydevil`	`http://www.sc2mapster.com/assets/custom-ui-color-gradient-functio/`
`19:59.52`	`RodOfNOD`	`ty currydevil i knewi had seen that`
`19:59.56`	`currydevil`	`yeah ;)`
`20:00.02`	`currydevil`	`np`
`20:00.15`	`RodOfNOD`	`what do u thinkof my pic?`
`20:00.16`	`Hisui`	`I don't, RodOfNOD`
`20:00.18`	`RodOfNOD`	`^^`
`20:00.18`	`Hisui`	`its just a label`
`20:00.26`	`RodOfNOD`	`k well then its easy`
`20:00.54`	`RodOfNOD`	`use this: Dialog - Set (Last created dialog item) current value to 0.0 for (All players)`
`20:01.08`	`RodOfNOD`	`andput a value in the value`
`20:01.25`	`FockeWulf`	`lol`
`20:01.37`	`Hisui`	`what if I do many labels one after another`
`20:01.37`	`RodOfNOD`	`then assign that dialogitem to an array of index(value)`
`20:01.51`	`RodOfNOD`	`so if u need to change the label later u just use the #`
`20:01.54`	`FockeWulf`	`is he talking like a button?`
`20:01.59`	`RodOfNOD`	`doesnt matter`
`20:02.02`	`FockeWulf`	`oh a label`
`20:02.03`	`FockeWulf`	`ok`
`20:02.06`	`Hisui`	`thats overly complex`
`20:02.08`	`RodOfNOD`	`this will work for all but progress bars`
`20:02.09`	`RodOfNOD`	`no`
`20:02.12`	`FockeWulf`	`wait does it update it without having to recreate the dialog item?`
`20:02.12`	`RodOfNOD`	`its way simpler`
`20:02.15`	`Hisui`	`i just figured there'd be another way around that without using variables`
`20:02.15`	`FockeWulf`	`cause thats what ive been doing`
`20:02.21`	`RodOfNOD`	`yes it does FockeWulf`
`20:02.28`	`RodOfNOD`	`lol hisui well theres not`
`20:02.31`	`Hisui`	`okay`
`20:02.33`	`Hisui`	`thank you! :)`
`20:02.33`	`RodOfNOD`	`variables are a gift`
`20:02.42`	`Hisui`	`just preferred to keep it all local`
`20:02.48`	`FockeWulf`	`Hisui once you get used to them variables will be your best friend`
`20:02.55`	`Hisui`	`no`
`20:02.57`	`Hisui`	`you se`
`20:02.57`	`Hisui`	`e`
`20:02.58`	`RodOfNOD`	`well hisui once u leave the thread there is no "local":`
`20:02.59`	`FockeWulf`	`well sc doesn't make much of a diff between local and global`
`20:03.13`	`RodOfNOD`	`sure there is a huge diff between local and global`
`20:03.16`	`Hisui`	`i call the dialog item creating action from a trigger`
`20:03.16`	`FockeWulf`	`its not like c#`
`20:03.21`	`FockeWulf`	`global are not evil`
`20:03.30`	`RodOfNOD`	`then use a parameter or return`
`20:03.39`	`Hisui`	`in that trigger i want to modify the last created dialog item`
`20:03.43`	`RodOfNOD`	`parameter to pass the created dialig item or return to return it`
`20:03.46`	`FockeWulf`	`just keep in mind that good triggering means as few of triggers as possible`
`20:03.53`	`Hisui`	`but that doesnt work if the item is created via a custom action`
`20:03.54`	`FockeWulf`	`you using action definitions`
`20:03.57`	`RodOfNOD`	`no just create a action with aparameter`
`20:03.57`	`FockeWulf`	`?`
`20:03.59`	`Hisui`	`yes`
`20:04.04`	`RodOfNOD`	`sure it does`
`20:04.04`	`FockeWulf`	`k good`
`20:04.14`	`FockeWulf`	`ya it does`
`20:04.17`	`FockeWulf`	`doesn't matter`
`20:04.22`	`Hisui`	`didnt for me :x`
`20:04.25`	`RodOfNOD`	`are u creating the item in the action or the caller of the action?`
`20:04.32`	`FockeWulf`	`all action defs do is insert the lines of code into the trigger when the game writes it`
`20:04.41`	`Hisui`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:04.41`	`Hisui`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:04.43`	`FockeWulf`	`same with functions conditions and the like`
`20:04.45`	`Hisui`	`the first action is the custom one`
`20:04.50`	`Hisui`	`the second action doesnt do anything`
`20:04.59`	`A1win`	`this seems to change a dialog item's color: gf_colorGradient_IMG(Name <Dialog Item>, Max <Real>, Current <Real>, Color1 <Color>, Color2 <Color>);`
`20:05.12`	`FockeWulf`	`ok what you want to do after that`
`20:05.16`	`RodOfNOD`	`why dont u pass the text into the draw a label function?`
`20:05.18`	`FockeWulf`	`is create global var dialog item`
`20:05.20`	`FockeWulf`	`and`
`20:05.36`	`Hisui`	`look closer - it writes text for all players, then changes it for 1 of them`
`20:05.43`	`FockeWulf`	`"set var[index] = last created dialog item`
`20:05.46`	`RodOfNOD`	`so?`
`20:05.47`	`A1win`	`except that it's just an image...`
`20:05.54`	`RodOfNOD`	`use a function`
`20:05.54`	`A1win`	`oh nvm`
`20:05.56`	`RodOfNOD`	`isntaed of anaction`
`20:05.58`	`A1win`	`it was a custom script anyway`
`20:06.02`	`RodOfNOD`	`RETURN the last created dialog item`
`20:06.05`	`RodOfNOD`	`and then use THAT`
`20:06.08`	`A1win`	`custom function I mean, called by a custom script`
`20:06.29`	`RodOfNOD`	`u follow hisui?`
`20:06.39`	`A1win`	`bah nevermind, I don't need to change its color anyway`
`20:06.45`	`RodOfNOD`	`klol`
`20:06.52`	`A1win`	`just wanted a neat "notice that the bar is full" effect for a second :P`
`20:06.56`	`Hisui`	`nope :x i dont really`
`20:07.13`	`RodOfNOD`	`i take it u didnt make this action?`
`20:07.17`	`Hisui`	`i did`
`20:07.24`	`RodOfNOD`	`ok then chnage it from anaction to a function`
`20:07.29`	`RodOfNOD`	`so it returns a value`
`20:07.36`	`Hisui`	`but functions cant be called like actions`
`20:07.39`	`RodOfNOD`	`and the value it will return is the dialog`
`20:07.45`	`RodOfNOD`	`u do this`
`20:07.53`	`RodOfNOD`	`set tempv = uraction(xxxx)`
`20:08.02`	`RodOfNOD`	`u want to return it so u can then USE it as a local variable`
`20:08.12`	`RodOfNOD`	`then u can use tempv instaed of lastcreated`
`20:08.20`	`Hisui`	`ah that makes sense`
`20:08.22`	`Hisui`	`excellent solution`
`20:08.25`	`RodOfNOD`	`:>`
`20:08.33`	`RodOfNOD`	`back to the coal mines`
`20:08.48`	`Hisui`	`though.. now i need to rewrite all those functions again in the Set Variable action.. >_>`
`20:08.52`	`Hisui`	`fuck that shit..`
`20:09.02`	`A1win`	`rewrite?`
`20:09.15`	`A1win`	`copypaste? :P`
`20:09.16`	`FockeWulf`	`hey its not too bad`
`20:09.23`	`FockeWulf`	`wait until you do the big stuff`
`20:09.26`	`Hisui`	`how can I copy paste an action into a function`
`20:09.33`	`FockeWulf`	`highlight`
`20:09.36`	`FockeWulf`	`cntrl c`
`20:09.37`	`A1win`	`you can even change an action into a function`
`20:09.45`	`FockeWulf`	`go into the other plac`
`20:09.47`	`FockeWulf`	`cntrl v`
`20:09.52`	`A1win`	`go to your action`
`20:09.57`	`A1win`	`at the top there's Options: Action`
`20:09.59`	`A1win`	`change to function`
`20:10.32`	`Hisui`	`what?`
`20:10.36`	`A1win`	`and anyway you can copy any conditions to any condition slot, any actions to any action slot etc.`
`20:10.44`	`Hisui`	`im no retard guys`
`20:10.44`	`Hisui`	`[21:07:40] <RodOfNOD> and the value it will return is the dialog`
`20:10.45`	`Hisui`	`[21:07:46] <RodOfNOD> u do this`
`20:10.45`	`Hisui`	`[21:07:54] <RodOfNOD> set tempv = uraction(xxxx)`
`20:10.51`	`Hisui`	`right now "uraction" is just an action in my trigger`
`20:11.02`	`Hisui`	`how can i copy "uraction" into the value slot for a Set Variable aciton`
`20:11.18`	`Hisui`	`thats what i dont know`
`20:11.19`	`A1win`	`that's what I just told you`
`20:11.20`	`Hisui`	`i know how to copy paste :x`
`20:11.21`	`A1win`	`open the action`
`20:11.27`	`Hisui`	`the action IS a function already`
`20:11.27`	`A1win`	`and at the top of it there's the Options field`
`20:11.30`	`A1win`	`oh`
`20:11.31`	`RodOfNOD`	`i forget can actions return a value?`
`20:11.40`	`Hisui`	`how could they return a value`
`20:11.42`	`Hisui`	`:x`
`20:11.47`	`RodOfNOD`	`cuz if i recall they can`
`20:11.48`	`RodOfNOD`	`lol`
`20:11.49`	`Hisui`	`i already rewrote my action so its a function that returns the dialog item`
`20:11.50`	`A1win`	`Return Type: Dialog Item`
`20:11.54`	`A1win`	`then at the end`
`20:12.00`	`A1win`	`return (Last Created Dialog Item)`
`20:12.02`	`Hisui`	`but in my trigger its still listed as an action`
`20:12.02`	`RodOfNOD`	`i know what he means`
`20:12.03`	`A1win`	`or whatever`
`20:12.10`	`RodOfNOD`	`u cant cnp ur problem away Hisui`
`20:12.10`	`Hisui`	`A1win`
`20:12.14`	`A1win`	`Hisui, you need to update your trigger`
`20:12.22`	`A1win`	`delete the action call`
`20:12.24`	`A1win`	`and add a function call`
`20:12.27`	`Hisui`	`i dont WANT to delete it`
`20:12.30`	`Hisui`	`i want to copy the values inside it`
`20:12.32`	`RodOfNOD`	`yes but hehas toretype alot imsure`
`20:12.37`	`RodOfNOD`	`thats the problemwith gui`
`20:12.39`	`A1win`	`Hisui, well you can't do that`
`20:12.39`	`RodOfNOD`	`:P`
`20:12.44`	`Hisui`	`i have GIANT stacks of Combine Text`
`20:12.45`	`RodOfNOD`	`convert it to galaxy`
`20:12.54`	`RodOfNOD`	`good time to learn galaxy anyways :>`
`20:12.59`	`A1win`	`you should do giant stacks of stuff to variables`
`20:13.08`	`A1win`	`variables can always be transfered easily into anything :>`
`20:13.24`	`RodOfNOD`	`nohis problem is before he called as an action now its a function`
`20:13.27`	`RodOfNOD`	`u cant CNP that`
`20:13.29`	`Hisui`	`your smugness entirely misses the point im afraid :\|\|\|`
`20:13.34`	`A1win`	`RodOfNOD, I know.. but for the future :P`
`20:13.35`	`Hisui`	`thanks for the help so far though`
`20:13.38`	`A1win`	`set tempvalue = huge stacks of combine text`
`20:13.39`	`A1win`	`action call`
`20:13.41`	`A1win`	`or`
`20:13.52`	`A1win`	`I mean`
`20:13.56`	`A1win`	`action call(tempvalue)`
`20:13.58`	`RodOfNOD`	`how much is too much?`
`20:14.05`	`Hisui`	`how do i show the trigger as galaxyscript`
`20:14.05`	`RodOfNOD`	`how many actioncalls?`
`20:14.06`	`A1win`	`or set tempvalue2 = function call(tempvalue)`
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`20:14.38`	`RodOfNOD`	`Data -> viewscript Hisui`
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`20:18.36`	`Hisui`	`now i changed the script, how do i get it to show up in the GUI like that`
`20:18.39`	`Hisui`	`it didnt auto update`
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`20:22.39`	`vjeux`	`omg news by Acemore!`
`20:22.41`	`vjeux`	`hey wacko`
`20:22.52`	`wacko`	`Ahoy`
`20:23.07`	`Hisui`	`news by acemore?`
`20:23.15`	`vjeux`	`he wrote it :p`
`20:24.03`	`Hisui`	`right`
`20:24.12`	`vjeux`	`I don't have all the time I had previously so I'm looking for some help, if it works out he will news on mapster :)\`
`20:24.14`	`RodOfNOD`	`uh be careful hisui immediately select ur changes`
`20:24.16`	`RodOfNOD`	`and copy them`
`20:24.21`	`RodOfNOD`	`cuz u CANT change them there`
`20:24.27`	`RodOfNOD`	`and u wuill loseif u save ur map`
`20:24.29`	`RodOfNOD`	`allur changes`
`20:24.41`	`RodOfNOD`	`u have to copy and PASTE those back into a custom script gui line`
`20:24.46`	`Hisui`	`ohh`
`20:24.47`	`Hisui`	`right`
`20:24.47`	`RodOfNOD`	`or a custom script action`
`20:24.48`	`Hisui`	`nowi know`
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`20:36.43`	`vjeux`	`slaps Net`
`20:36.57`	`vjeux`	`first time I see Net on this irc :p`
`20:37.03`	`RodOfNOD`	`grabs the trout from vjeux, cooks it up, eats it and says yum yum`
`20:37.18`	`Net`	`i recently started to use irc again`
`20:37.20`	`Net`	`:)`
`20:37.42`	`FockeWulf`	`my brain is apparently dead right now, what is the equation for a function that returns the difference between the facing of a unit and the camera yaw?`
`20:37.54`	`vjeux`	`I'm trying to stop, takes too much time :p`
`20:38.09`	`RodOfNOD`	`http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12240115/MOCKUPHELP1.jpg- need peoples criticisms`
`20:38.43`	`RodOfNOD`	`isnt that the facing of the unit vs the facing of the camera?`
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`20:46.52`	`FockeWulf`	`hey progammer!`
`20:46.59`	`FockeWulf`	`thx for your help man, i stress tested it with 6 ppl`
`20:47.01`	`FockeWulf`	`worked without lag`
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`21:08.42`	`RodOfNOD`	`any suggestions please? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12240115/MOCKUPHELP2.jpg`
`21:12.03`	`progammer`	`RodOfNOD: the wireframe and portrait is out of place`
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`22:02.30`	`WB	`hmmmm, how to make a weapon not auto-acquire?`
`22:02.45`	`WB	`ive done it before, but I can't figure out how I did it -_-`
`22:02.58`	`crazyfingers`	`i think there's an acquire range`
`22:03.00`	`crazyfingers`	`under the weapon`
`22:03.09`	`crazyfingers`	`just set that to 0`
`22:04.08`	`WB	`yup! scan range`
`22:04.10`	`WB	`thanks dude`
`22:04.14`	`crazyfingers`	`yep yep`
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`22:27.23`	`progammer`	`(test)`
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`22:55.57`	`Bounty`	`woohaaw`
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`22:57.13`	`Maknyuzz`	`hi guys`
`22:57.34`	`Maknyuzz`	`Chrono Boost seems to boost no only research`
`22:57.38`	`Maknyuzz`	`but also cooldown`
`22:58.04`	`Maknyuzz`	`is there a way to specify to only boost research, but not cooldown?`
`22:59.14`	`Bounty`	`sadly i only know triggers`
`22:59.18`	`Bounty`	`so i cant help :(`
`22:59.32`	`Bounty`	`thats a good question though lol i would think that is possible`
`23:00.05`	`progammer`	`that's the behavior`
`23:00.09`	`progammer`	`tons of thing can be in there`
`23:01.09`	`Maknyuzz`	`time scale thats it`
`23:01.20`	`Maknyuzz`	`it doesnt say time scale on research, time scale on cooldown`
`23:03.02`	`Maknyuzz`	`if you have blink research on warpgate. then you chrono boost it. it will speed up the cooldown of units plus speed up the research of blink`
`23:03.20`	`Maknyuzz`	`maybe thats why they separate it. I couldnt find it in validator as well`
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`23:03.43`	`Maknyuzz`	`validaror is just specifying which unit link (Is Warpgate, Is Cybernetics etc)`
`23:05.16`	`Demalii`	`anyone have ideas? http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/data/14502-ability-blast-animation-issues/#p3`
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`23:06.29`	`progammer_`	`Acemore: disconnected`
`23:06.30`	`crazyfingers`	`hmm, any way of firing the ability from the unit's origin`
`23:06.35`	`crazyfingers`	`rather than say on the unit itself`
`23:07.09`	`crazyfingers`	`like change launch location to caster point`
`23:07.17`	`Demalii`	`I do believe I've done that`
`23:07.24`	`crazyfingers`	`that would be my suggestion`
`23:07.30`	`Demalii`	`I'll look into it again`
`23:07.32`	`Demalii`	`but`
`23:07.36`	`FockeWulf`	`ok`
`23:07.39`	`Acemore`	`progammer k`
`23:07.43`	`FockeWulf`	`is it a spell`
`23:07.46`	`Demalii`	`if you use unit origin and when you click the ability it says "no unit selected"`
`23:07.51`	`FockeWulf`	`that targetsa point?`
`23:08.03`	`Demalii`	`it's basically a "AOE" spell`
`23:08.14`	`Demalii`	`like range of 5`
`23:08.17`	`Demalii`	`around the caster`
`23:08.18`	`crazyfingers`	`does it use a mover?`
`23:08.23`	`Demalii`	`does damage to enemies`
`23:08.26`	`Demalii`	`no`
`23:08.35`	`FockeWulf`	`ok and you want it going in the direction the unit is facing?`
`23:08.39`	`Demalii`	`no I don't`
`23:08.45`	`Demalii`	`I want it to be just regular animation`
`23:08.49`	`Demalii`	`no matter what direction`
`23:09.00`	`Demalii`	`just blast normal, instead of moving`
`23:09.10`	`crazyfingers`	`have you tried caster unit/ point?`
`23:09.34`	`Demalii`	`yes I'm pretty dog on certain I've tried every option I can think of`
`23:09.41`	`Demalii`	`and regardless, the outcome is always the same`
`23:09.50`	`FockeWulf`	`is this based off another animation?`
`23:09.57`	`FockeWulf`	`or spell`
`23:10.09`	`Demalii`	`well I did "duplicate" the spell`
`23:10.10`	`Demalii`	`but`
`23:10.15`	`Demalii`	`my first spell did this also`
`23:10.18`	`FockeWulf`	`what spell?`
`23:10.29`	`Demalii`	`they're all just aoe blasts I'm trying to acheive`
`23:10.38`	`Demalii`	`like kaboom, area of effect around caster`
`23:10.50`	`Demalii`	`i'll brb a moment`
`23:10.53`	`FockeWulf`	`ya but did you have it off the spell?`
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`23:19.45`	`Demalii`	`I'm just certain I've tried every option`
`23:19.51`	`Demalii`	`I mean I dunno how to fix this`
`23:21.03`	`Demalii`	`It was set to caster unit/point originally`
`23:21.10`	`Demalii`	`and that I thought was the problem`
`23:21.28`	`Demalii`	`but changing it to unit origin = (when ability is clicked) it says, "No Unit selected"`
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`23:28.49`	`PassivePicasso`	`Where are all the awesome innovative TDS?`
`23:29.25`	`FockeWulf`	`im making an fps`
`23:29.29`	`FockeWulf`	`but its slow going`
`23:29.38`	`PassivePicasso`	`I was making a TD in the data editor`
`23:29.48`	`FockeWulf`	`>.>`
`23:29.50`	`PassivePicasso`	`but after failing to get the entire system working multiple times, I've given up all hope`
`23:30.02`	`PassivePicasso`	`I am so close in so many ways`
`23:30.40`	`FockeWulf`	`i can probably help you`
`23:30.46`	`FockeWulf`	`td's are not so hard`
`23:30.50`	`Bounty`	`dont make another TD :)`
`23:30.56`	`FockeWulf`	`and id like to finish at least one project`
`23:30.57`	`FockeWulf`	`lol`
`23:31.00`	`Bounty`	`or is yours going to have a twist?`
`23:31.08`	`FockeWulf`	`hey bounty what map are you working on right now?`
`23:31.19`	`Bounty`	`http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/project-workplace/14570-wip-win-the-crowd/#p2`
`23:31.26`	`Bounty`	`going to be awhile lol`
`23:31.33`	`Bounty`	`unlike my other maps this wont take a week or two`
`23:31.44`	`Demalii`	`fockewulf, just asking, you want to look at this map and see if you find anything that might be done incorrectly?`
`23:32.28`	`FockeWulf`	`sure i gues demalii`
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`23:32.38`	`FockeWulf`	`all im doing right now is trying to derive an equation`
`23:32.42`	`FockeWulf`	`and failing horribly`
`23:33.03`	`FockeWulf`	`i might have to delve into sine law, but i'm pretty sure im doing it wrong if im going that way`
`23:33.04`	`Demalii`	`lol right on, I'll upload on megaupload right now`
`23:34.04`	`Bounty`	`Did you take a look at that link Focke?`
`23:34.12`	`Demalii`	`too much number crunching on a sunday afternoon =p`
`23:34.44`	`FockeWulf`	`well if the link were working for me i would`
`23:34.47`	`FockeWulf`	`and its on my end >.>`
`23:34.57`	`Bounty`	`just go to the project workplace lol`
`23:35.04`	`Bounty`	`the thread is called [WIP] Win the Crowd`
`23:35.28`	`Demalii`	`hmm megaupload is running way to slow to be an option right now`
`23:35.59`	`Bounty`	`im going all out on this project :)`
`23:36.02`	`Bounty`	`since its really the only one ive wanted to make`
`23:36.44`	`FockeWulf`	`is your movement system more responsive than your last`
`23:36.53`	`FockeWulf`	`cause battlefield egypt has too much delay`
`23:37.03`	`Bounty`	`its the same system but its alittle better`
`23:37.25`	`FockeWulf`	`ok cause if you want you can test out mine if you want to :)`
`23:37.29`	`Bounty`	`Battlefield didnt suffer from the input`
`23:37.34`	`Bounty`	`Well it did but not bc of the system`
`23:37.40`	`Bounty`	`the framerate was horrid`
`23:37.41`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`23:37.44`	`FockeWulf`	`lol`
`23:37.45`	`FockeWulf`	`mines ok`
`23:37.53`	`FockeWulf`	`actually my frame rate is good on my system`
`23:37.58`	`FockeWulf`	`with 6 ppl testing it`
`23:38.09`	`Bounty`	`idk BFE lagged so much`
`23:38.15`	`Bounty`	`doodad hunt ran smooth as eggs`
`23:38.16`	`FockeWulf`	`course it doesn't mean a damn if i cant derive this equation`
`23:38.23`	`Bounty`	`and it was loaded with shit all over the place lol`
`23:38.32`	`FockeWulf`	`well what i notice is that your movement update was like on a .15 sec periodic`
`23:38.43`	`Bounty`	`.001`
`23:38.47`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`23:38.47`	`FockeWulf`	`>.>`
`23:38.51`	`FockeWulf`	`lol`
`23:38.53`	`Bounty`	`i dont think it matters though`
`23:38.56`	`FockeWulf`	`you might laugh at the way i did it :)`
`23:38.57`	`Bounty`	`no way its that fast`
`23:38.59`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`23:39.22`	`Bounty`	`how did u do it?`
`23:39.23`	`FockeWulf`	`cause i got a .0625 with vertually no latency in response time`
`23:39.37`	`Bounty`	`well tahts all that matters then`
`23:39.45`	`FockeWulf`	`i made 14 threads of an infainte loop inside the map int trigger :)`
`23:39.54`	`FockeWulf`	`so the trigger only fires once and done`
`23:39.58`	`FockeWulf`	`just keeps going`
`23:40.01`	`FockeWulf`	`if hte person leaves`
`23:40.03`	`FockeWulf`	`it stops`
`23:40.05`	`Bounty`	`oo`
`23:40.10`	`Bounty`	`u think i could steal that? lol`
`23:40.20`	`Bounty`	`so its faster then periodic?`
`23:40.33`	`FockeWulf`	`see for yourself :)`
`23:40.37`	`FockeWulf`	`but ill make a deal with ya`
`23:40.40`	`FockeWulf`	`you can have it`
`23:40.48`	`FockeWulf`	`provided you help me derive this equation :)`
`23:40.50`	`FockeWulf`	`basically`
`23:40.52`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`23:40.52`	`Bounty`	`ok`
`23:41.01`	`FockeWulf`	`i want the angle between where the cam yaw is and the unit facing`
`23:41.03`	`Bounty`	`im only good with triggers though but ill help all i can`
`23:41.09`	`FockeWulf`	`its a trigger :)`
`23:41.12`	`Bounty`	`ok sweet`
`23:41.21`	`FockeWulf`	`your name on na?`
`23:41.27`	`Bounty`	`Bounty`
`23:41.29`	`Bounty`	`820`
`23:41.32`	`Bounty`	`im not on right now`
`23:41.39`	`Bounty`	`explain what u need though it sounds easy enough`
`23:41.40`	`Bounty`	`lol`
`23:41.48`	`Bounty`	`u want the unit to always face the camera yaw?`
`23:42.15`	`FockeWulf`	`no`
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`23:42.16`	`FockeWulf`	`actually`
`23:42.18`	`FockeWulf`	`you will see why`
`23:42.20`	`FockeWulf`	`its jerky`
`23:42.21`	`FockeWulf`	`but only cause`
`23:42.25`	`FockeWulf`	`its apply a unit rotation`
`23:42.27`	`FockeWulf`	`twice in a row`
`23:42.33`	`FockeWulf`	`once with the move command`
`23:42.43`	`FockeWulf`	`and once with the "rotate unit to face cam yaw"`
`23:42.55`	`FockeWulf`	`its so simple its stupid but its jerky cause of it`
`23:43.02`	`FockeWulf`	`party invite sent`
`23:43.06`	`Bounty`	`im logging on now`
`23:43.17`	`FockeWulf`	`it said you were already on >.>`
`23:43.24`	`Bounty`	`nuh uh`
`23:49.47`	`Maknyuzz`	`anyone can help me with chrono boost? how to make it so it only boost research/train progress but not cooldown?`
`23:50.54`	`Demalii`	`cooldown of it would be under ability cost`
`23:51.28`	`Maknyuzz`	`thats not what i meant damali`
`23:51.35`	`Maknyuzz`	`i mean when u chrono boost warp gate`
`23:51.51`	`Maknyuzz`	`it boost the unit warp in cooldown right?`
`23:51.56`	`Maknyuzz`	`i dont want that to happen`
`23:52.48`	`Maknyuzz`	`i only want it boost research like research blink or psi storm etc`
`23:56.03`	`PassivePicasso`	`Protoss Tower defense has to be one of the easiest TD's I've ever experienced`
`23:56.21`	`Xapti`	`easiest I played was tiny TD`
`23:56.31`	`Xapti`	`well as long as you choose zerg, which i did`
`23:56.36`	`PassivePicasso`	`I'm going to play it again so I can write profanities on the mini map`
`23:57.27`	`Demalii`	`lol`
`23:57.45`	`PassivePicasso`	`it will probably piss people off that i'm dicking off so badly`
`23:58.31`	`crazyfingers`	`eh, they'll just ban you straight off`
`23:58.37`	`crazyfingers`	`force you to buy a new game`
`23:58.38`	`PassivePicasso`	`no ban in this td`
`23:59.41`	`PassivePicasso`	`I'm going to write "America fuck yeah" using Auto Turrets`

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