| 00:00.02 | Mephs | he still just destroyed me |
| 00:00.05 | sana | well with cracklings you couldnt really have lost vs thors |
| 00:00.09 | Mephs | T is so fucking OP its ridiculous |
| 00:00.17 | Mephs | he had about 8 thors and just a giant ball of marines |
| 00:00.20 | Mephs | stimmed w/ medvacs |
| 00:00.28 | sana | banelings |
| 00:00.30 | RodOfNOD | thanks for burying my ? :P |
| 00:00.34 | Mephs | they all melted before they got near |
| 00:00.44 | sana | idk |
| 00:00.46 | Mephs | i have the replay |
| 00:00.47 | Mephs | lol |
| 00:00.48 | sana | zvt is pretty darn even |
| 00:00.51 | Mephs | its fucking ridiculous |
| 00:00.51 | sana | right now |
| 00:00.55 | Mephs | sana what league and rank? |
| 00:01.05 | sana | :( |
| 00:01.07 | sana | go away |
| 00:01.10 | Mephs | lol... |
| 00:01.16 | Mephs | i'm talking 1600-1700 diamond range |
| 00:01.24 | sana | thats what i heard from demuslim ok |
| 00:01.38 | Mephs | yeah |
| 00:01.41 | Mephs | you realize pro zerg players |
| 00:01.44 | Mephs | are not human |
| 00:01.51 | Mephs | and the fact that they have to be so inhuman |
| 00:01.57 | Mephs | to be able to beat an a-moving retard terran |
| 00:02.01 | Mephs | shows the problem |
| 00:02.14 | sana | well if its in 1600-1700 diamond range then surely he wasnt an a-moving retard exclusively? |
| 00:02.20 | Mephs | he didn't |
| 00:02.22 | Mephs | even upgrade his units |
| 00:02.23 | Mephs | at all |
| 00:02.25 | Mephs | just stimpack |
| 00:02.33 | Mephs | and yeah he a-moved |
| 00:02.40 | Mephs | there was little to no micro in his attack |
| 00:02.49 | Mephs | if i tried to rush his exp he had PF, siege tanks, and marines |
| 00:02.55 | Mephs | it would've just lost me the game right there |
| 00:03.11 | Mephs | and i grossly out-macro'd him |
| 00:03.14 | Mephs | tahts how zerg plays, macro |
| 00:03.35 | Mephs | i had so much resources that i could replenish my army before he got to my main but by then hea lready killed 4 hatcheries |
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| 00:03.51 | Mephs | and he could still produce mass numbers of units with his 8 barracks & 3 factories |
| 00:03.54 | sana | i dunno mang im just a lowly platinum |
| 00:03.55 | Mephs | very fast |
| 00:04.06 | Mephs | the fact we rely on expansions to produce an army |
| 00:04.11 | Mephs | is why zerg is so weak |
| 00:04.16 | sana | cant really offer any commentary without getting asked for rank :p |
| 00:04.17 | Mephs | cause terran can just walk right into them and blow them up |
| 00:04.35 | Mephs | but we can't even come close with their 500 missile turrets everywhere and PF + siege tanks and thors/marines |
| 00:04.49 | Mephs | and it takes maybe 15 seconds to set all of that up at a new expac too |
| 00:04.52 | Mephs | he could've expanded 1000 times |
| 00:04.56 | Mephs | and i'd never be able to touch any of them |
| 00:05.09 | Mephs | and my only defense are spine crawlers |
| 00:05.13 | Mephs | which die in 1 sec to a few marines |
| 00:05.25 | Mephs | + they waste a drone |
| 00:05.56 | Mephs | we have no siege unit at all, photon cannons do the same shit |
| 00:06.00 | Mephs | only they hit both land and air |
| 00:09.00 | Jum-Jum | <Mephs> the fact we rely on expansions to produce an army |
| 00:09.00 | Jum-Jum | <Mephs> is why zerg is so weak |
| 00:09.13 | Jum-Jum | that and because the maps are like exclusivly made for terran |
| 00:09.20 | Jum-Jum | so many ramps and shit everywhere |
| 00:09.22 | Jum-Jum | tight corners |
| 00:09.28 | Jum-Jum | and all the 1on1 maps are pretty small |
| 00:12.58 | Mephs | and now the new strategy |
| 00:13.06 | Mephs | is to start building a supply depot at our natural |
| 00:13.11 | Mephs | and then run off |
| 00:13.24 | Mephs | so we can't even fast expand |
| 00:13.38 | Mephs | it would take 6 drones 20 seconds to kill it |
| 00:13.41 | Mephs | which destroys zerg |
| 00:13.44 | Jum-Jum | engineering bay actually |
| 00:13.58 | Mephs | no you can't even put down engi bay that early |
| 00:13.58 | Jum-Jum | because it has more hp, and costs less |
| 00:14.04 | Mephs | zerg FE by 14 supply |
| 00:14.08 | Mephs | or 15 if you want more econ |
| 00:14.21 | Mephs | if you wait that long i'd already have my hatch down |
| 00:14.45 | Mephs | they just do supply depot cuz its cheap enough, takes too long to be worth pulling drones off to kill |
| 00:14.50 | Mephs | and we haev to wait till our pool is up to expand |
| 00:14.58 | Mephs | which completely nullifies the point of fast expand build |
| 00:15.10 | Mephs | or they build a bunker on top of it and load it with a couple marines to delay you even more |
| 00:15.23 | Mephs | then by the time you can killt eh bunker they will have a huge ball of MM heading towards you |
| 00:16.09 | Mephs | and all you will have out is a handful of lings that die to stimpack instantly |
| 00:16.30 | Mephs | we can't do anything remotely like that to them, because we're limited to creep mechanics exclusively |
| 00:16.44 | Mephs | toss too, can just warp in a pylon on our nat |
| 00:16.52 | Mephs | and then a cannon too if they feel like it |
| 00:17.53 | Mephs | i've even seen one guy lock a cannon in between two pylons so you had no way to kill it, without some roaches or a spine |
| 00:18.02 | Mephs | so tehy force roaches then rush you with stalkers GG |
| 00:21.00 | PointBlank | hey does anyone know of a way to display line numbers i nthe trigger debugger |
| 00:21.11 | PointBlank | i'm getting errors but no idea where :S |
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| 00:33.26 | Mephs | i've seen like 5 different dota maps come out this month |
| 00:33.26 | Mephs | alone |
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| 01:00.28 | Jum-Jum | http://cdn.themis-media.com/media/global/images/library/deriv/27/27254.jpg |
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| 01:22.16 | Mephs | jum: lol |
| 01:35.41 | Bibendus|AFK | looooool |
| 01:35.42 | Bibendus | is no longer away : Gone for 2 hours 45 minutes 33 seconds |
| 01:35.48 | Bibendus | k now i can sleep happy |
| 01:36.00 | Bibendus | even if i didnt like the use of mass effect for both heaven and hell |
| 01:36.00 | Bibendus | :D |
| 01:36.09 | Bibendus | that's just heaven! |
| 01:36.22 | Bibendus | gn8 |
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| 01:41.23 | ZarafFaraz | So Mephs |
| 01:41.30 | ZarafFaraz | what's this whole Bounty vs. Mephs thing? |
| 01:41.32 | Mephs | so zaffy taffy |
| 01:41.34 | Mephs | idk |
| 01:41.42 | Mephs | some gay thing the community thinks i care that mucha bout |
| 01:41.51 | Mephs | he is a cunt, nuff said. |
| 01:42.03 | ZarafFaraz | all I ever hear is people either praising Bounty for his unique new maps, or shitting on Bounty for being a stupid fuck |
| 01:42.19 | Mephs | his maps aren't that great |
| 01:42.23 | Mephs | or unique |
| 01:42.35 | ZarafFaraz | well, he spits them out pretty fast |
| 01:42.43 | Mephs | thats why they look like unpolished turd |
| 01:42.45 | ZarafFaraz | and then the only real rattling of the boat you did was that whole Blizzard email response stuff |
| 01:44.03 | ZarafFaraz | When is Blizzard going to take down the garbage Featured maps and put up something GOOD? |
| 01:44.10 | Mephs | ZH:RPG isnt' bad... |
| 01:44.14 | Mephs | even if rpgs aren't my thing |
| 01:44.17 | ZarafFaraz | yeah, that map is good |
| 01:44.21 | ZarafFaraz | but the others....meh |
| 01:44.30 | Mephs | you'd think they'd put up the contest winners |
| 01:44.30 | ZarafFaraz | I was actually expecting them to put the Blizzard contest winners as Featured after Blizzcon |
| 01:44.36 | Mephs | but instead the contest winning maps are stuck on p5 lol |
| 01:45.02 | ZarafFaraz | seriously, Blizzard seems to not pay any attention to the whole Custom Map area |
| 01:45.27 | ZarafFaraz | like the whole "Portugese map" and the spill over from LA server...you'd think they would have resolved that by now |
| 01:45.51 | ZarafFaraz | and just leaving these featured maps up there for so long....it just looks like plain negligence |
| 01:46.05 | ZarafFaraz | sure, it's good for the 3 guys who are featured....bad for everyone else who wants a chance to get up there |
| 01:46.45 | Mephs | lol |
| 01:46.49 | Mephs | yea exactly |
| 01:47.02 | Mephs | sentry scramble and that portugoose map |
| 01:47.04 | Mephs | both suck balls |
| 01:47.11 | Mephs | idk what the fuck their criteria for featuring is |
| 01:51.23 | ZarafFaraz | probably the same criteria as for picking their contest winners |
| 01:51.28 | Mephs | heh |
| 01:51.40 | ZarafFaraz | get a monkey to randomly point at maps that smell like bananas |
| 01:52.55 | ZarafFaraz | I have very little faith in Blizzard anymore. I think the whole Activision thing has turned them into mindless business drones |
| 01:52.59 | Acemore | Mephs, they will put up the contest winners |
| 01:53.08 | Acemore | at some point |
| 01:53.23 | ZarafFaraz | Acemore, you should tell them to get their shit together with custom maps |
| 01:53.34 | ZarafFaraz | or at least hire ONE friggin person to do it for them |
| 01:53.39 | Acemore | :P |
| 01:53.46 | ZarafFaraz | seriously, with what they need, just ONE person could handle it all |
| 01:54.00 | ZarafFaraz | and it would stop out constantly complaining and would finally appease us |
| 01:54.27 | ZarafFaraz | oh but...that would cut into their profits |
| 01:54.45 | ZarafFaraz | God forbid you cut into your profits to *gasp* appease your fans... |
| 01:54.56 | Mephs | they dont make enough money to do THAT. |
| 01:54.58 | Mephs | geez zaraf |
| 01:55.05 | Mephs | come on who do you think these guys are, blizzard? |
| 01:55.23 | Acemore | well |
| 01:55.31 | ZarafFaraz | yeah...like seriously. It's not like they're a global empire of domination like Activision |
| 01:55.37 | Acemore | very few companies have put as much support into the editing scene as blizzard have |
| 01:55.40 | Acemore | sure, there are a few |
| 01:55.49 | Acemore | but most just throw a tool out there and never say a word again |
| 01:55.57 | Mephs | like blizzard? |
| 01:55.58 | Mephs | :o |
| 01:56.18 | Acemore | i dunno, they've improved some, i mean they have the answers coming in weekly in the forum thread |
| 01:56.19 | ZarafFaraz | Acemore, my point is that it doesn't take a lot of effort to provide the support that the community demands |
| 01:56.28 | Acemore | maybe we demand a lot |
| 01:56.30 | Acemore | :D |
| 01:56.31 | Mephs | yea we do |
| 01:56.40 | Mephs | i mean typically we do feel entitlement by paying for their game |
| 01:56.44 | Acemore | i mean |
| 01:56.46 | ZarafFaraz | here's the thing |
| 01:56.48 | Mephs | honestly i feel like releasing a game too aerly though |
| 01:56.49 | Mephs | early* |
| 01:56.54 | ZarafFaraz | what pisses people off more is NOT HEARING ANYTHING |
| 01:56.56 | Mephs | means you have less time to support things |
| 01:57.03 | ZarafFaraz | we complain on and on and on about the popularity system |
| 01:57.10 | Mephs | and more time spent evaluating what they're whining about |
| 01:57.16 | ZarafFaraz | yet this issue is a NON-ISSUE as far as we can tell from Blizzard's silence on the matter |
| 01:57.19 | Mephs | its not like the pop system hasn't been complained about for well over 8 months or so? |
| 01:57.23 | ZarafFaraz | and THAT is the reason people are pissed off |
| 01:57.33 | Acemore | sigh Zaraf, unfortunately i totally agree with you on that one, the popularity system has been a thorn in our side for a long time :( |
| 01:57.35 | Mephs | for a company of their size, with such a focus on their main franchise |
| 01:57.40 | Mephs | you'd think they'd be a little...idk faster |
| 01:57.46 | Mephs | they have so many employees |
| 01:57.57 | Mephs | and a lot of this stuff doesn't take 5 months to do |
| 01:58.02 | ZarafFaraz | a simple statement like "Ok, we've seen that the majority of people don't like this popularity system. We're in the works of something better. Unfortunately, it won't be out until Heart of Swarm, but we will get it to you." |
| 01:58.05 | Mephs | i mean at least add the search function THEY ALREADY HAVE FROM THE CREATE GAME LIST |
| 01:58.08 | Mephs | on the fucking join list |
| 01:58.10 | Mephs | just to hold us over? |
| 01:58.12 | Mephs | please? |
| 01:58.26 | Acemore | yea lol |
| 01:58.27 | Mephs | thats the big killer |
| 01:58.29 | Acemore | stupid to not have that there |
| 01:58.34 | Mephs | is that you can't even fucking search for games that are so virally advertised |
| 01:58.47 | Mephs | if the fucking contest winner who got a spotlight from blizzard themselves can't even get popularity gain |
| 01:58.48 | Acemore | and also, popularity not taking into account the amount of players and duration of a map |
| 01:58.50 | Mephs | their shit sucks |
| 01:58.53 | Mephs | that too |
| 01:58.58 | Mephs | it should be affected by # of players who stay 5 min |
| 01:59.00 | Mephs | not AIs |
| 01:59.10 | Mephs | i can boost popularity faster than any number of ppl playing my map can ever |
| 01:59.15 | Mephs | with just 1 acct |
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| 01:59.29 | ZarafFaraz | well, if anything popularity should be Popularity = # of players * number of games |
| 01:59.31 | Acemore | how? |
| 01:59.33 | Mephs | if they did it based on # of players |
| 01:59.36 | Mephs | that would A) solve boosting |
| 01:59.43 | Mephs | since boosters get such a piddly amount of pop per game |
| 01:59.44 | ZarafFaraz | then at least those large player games would be equalized a bit |
| 01:59.53 | Acemore | yea totally |
| 01:59.55 | Mephs | B) would make larger player slot maps more frequent |
| 02:00.02 | Mephs | since right now ppl will make their game smaller ON PURPROSE |
| 02:00.07 | Mephs | and limit features just to gain pop |
| 02:00.12 | Acemore | i mean you see a lot of those single player maps get ontop fast |
| 02:00.14 | Acemore | just for that reason |
| 02:00.15 | ZarafFaraz | well, one plan I had for my map... |
| 02:00.16 | Mephs | yeah |
| 02:00.22 | ZarafFaraz | is initially release it as only 2 or 4 players |
| 02:00.23 | Mephs | if my map was 2 players |
| 02:00.26 | Mephs | it'd be on page 1 |
| 02:00.27 | ZarafFaraz | and make it super hard |
| 02:00.29 | Acemore | my map was 5v5 initially |
| 02:00.30 | Mephs | cuz right now its got 500 pop |
| 02:00.33 | ZarafFaraz | so that all players die in like 5 min |
| 02:00.33 | Acemore | but now it's 4v4 |
| 02:00.35 | Mephs | and its 10 player |
| 02:00.37 | Mephs | so 500 x 5? |
| 02:00.48 | Mephs | thats 5 lobbies being made for every 1 lobby that's made now |
| 02:00.49 | ZarafFaraz | and then once it's on page 1, then just bump it up in players and ease back the difficulty |
| 02:00.51 | ZarafFaraz | lol |
| 02:01.00 | Mephs | but to get a 10 player map to STAY |
| 02:01.02 | Acemore | are there any good threads on this issue now? |
| 02:01.02 | Mephs | even on fucking page 2 |
| 02:01.05 | Mephs | you have to boost 24/7 |
| 02:01.06 | Acemore | you guys US or EU? |
| 02:01.09 | Mephs | if i stopped boosting my map |
| 02:01.11 | Mephs | it'd fall to p3 |
| 02:01.15 | Mephs | and then into the abyss since its not on the first 2 pages |
| 02:01.19 | Acemore | :p |
| 02:01.43 | Mephs | which also means i can't even play sc2 ladder |
| 02:01.44 | Acemore | do you know if it's 5 minutes game time or real time? |
| 02:01.45 | ZarafFaraz | US |
| 02:01.56 | Mephs | its 5 min real |
| 02:02.02 | Acemore | k |
| 02:02.04 | Mephs | i think including loading screen time tho |
| 02:02.14 | Acemore | are there any good threads on this on the US forums atm tho? |
| 02:02.15 | Mephs | cuz my boosting macro only runs 5 min from the initialization of the game |
| 02:03.27 | Acemore | well even if you yourself create a game every 5 min |
| 02:03.38 | Acemore | that's only like, 12 games per hour? |
| 02:04.19 | Mephs | well consider you have to leave time to recreate the lobby |
| 02:04.25 | Mephs | my macro gains 10 plays/hr |
| 02:04.28 | Acemore | 10 games per hour then maybe ye |
| 02:04.31 | Mephs | thats still not much overall |
| 02:04.34 | Mephs | 12 hr period = 120 games. |
| 02:04.38 | Mephs | if it doesn't crash in the full 12 hrs |
| 02:04.38 | Acemore | i don't get how boosting would even be efficient with maps requiring 250+ games on second page |
| 02:04.46 | Acemore | oh |
| 02:04.49 | Mephs | well, thing is once it gets to that page ppl play it |
| 02:04.53 | Mephs | so its also supported by real plays |
| 02:05.01 | Mephs | its getting 500/12hrs |
| 02:05.09 | Acemore | ye i just misunderstood |
| 02:05.10 | Mephs | and i'm feeding barely 80 if you consider how much my downstairs comp crashes |
| 02:05.18 | Acemore | i thought that once an hour had passed, games would start falling off again |
| 02:05.21 | Acemore | if you know what i mean |
| 02:05.21 | Jum-Jum | my maps are maps which take a long time to play |
| 02:05.28 | Mephs | oh no |
| 02:05.29 | Jum-Jum | which means the popularity system says fuck you to it |
| 02:05.34 | Mephs | it calculates from the last 12 hrs |
| 02:05.35 | Jum-Jum | so theres no reason for me |
| 02:05.36 | Jum-Jum | at all |
| 02:05.39 | Jum-Jum | to make a map |
| 02:05.40 | Mephs | yea =/ |
| 02:05.41 | Acemore | ok Mephs thx i didn't know that :) |
| 02:05.52 | Mephs | basically if you can get your map boosted to pg1 of new list |
| 02:06.01 | Mephs | you'll skyrocket if the game's pretty fun and optimized for popularity farming |
| 02:06.03 | Acemore | but really, from what i gathered at Blizzcon, it didn't really seem like Blizz understood that this was a problem |
| 02:06.07 | Mephs | i.e. short, small player games |
| 02:06.22 | Bibendus|AFK | is now away - Reason : Auto-Away after 30 minutes |
| 02:06.22 | Mephs | that power level overwhelming game is pretty fun and short |
| 02:06.42 | Mephs | gah wtf lol |
| 02:06.45 | Acemore | which map is yours btw? |
| 02:06.47 | Mephs | i drop from r6 to r10 in 3 hrs |
| 02:06.48 | Mephs | -_- |
| 02:06.50 | Mephs | in ladder |
| 02:06.55 | RodOfNOD | anyone good with attachment actor points? |
| 02:06.56 | Acemore | :P |
| 02:07.01 | Mephs | acemore: left 4 death |
| 02:07.05 | Acemore | ah |
| 02:07.11 | Mephs | i'm not happy w/ it tho, its got a lot of issues i want to improve in 2.0 |
| 02:07.14 | Acemore | haven't tried that yet, gotta test it :) |
| 02:07.25 | Mephs | meh what you see now is going to be nothing compared to what's coming soon |
| 02:07.27 | Jum-Jum | blizz doesnt care about custom maps |
| 02:07.30 | Acemore | sure if i can help you with some feedback let me know |
| 02:07.30 | Jum-Jum | right now |
| 02:07.36 | Mephs | if you want to :) |
| 02:07.40 | Mephs | games do fill up relatively fast |
| 02:07.41 | RodOfNOD | man i wish prozaic was on noone else knows data shit |
| 02:07.45 | Acemore | but |
| 02:07.50 | Jum-Jum | wouldn't surprise me if we'd have to wait until the expansion for a custom maplist update |
| 02:07.53 | Acemore | it's gotta be tomorrow or something |
| 02:07.59 | Acemore | i'm in EU, and it's 3 am here atm :P |
| 02:08.03 | Acemore | kinda tired ^^ |
| 02:08.07 | Mephs | oh its not on EU bnet |
| 02:08.12 | Mephs | cuz xaragoth doesn't want to boost lol |
| 02:08.16 | Mephs | he's hosting it tho |
| 02:08.18 | Acemore | i know, but i got a US account too :) |
| 02:08.22 | Mephs | ah |
| 02:08.29 | Acemore | catch me here tomorrow and i'll play games with ya |
| 02:08.35 | Acemore | left 4 death that is |
| 02:08.54 | Mephs | mmkay |
| 02:08.58 | Mephs | gah its on p3 |
| 02:09.04 | Mephs | lol by 2 popularity behind the bottom of p2 |
| 02:09.14 | Acemore | better than mine which i just hosted :) |
| 02:09.17 | Acemore | mine's on page 5 atm |
| 02:09.19 | Acemore | i think |
| 02:09.24 | Mephs | boost it overnight |
| 02:09.25 | Acemore | page 2 on EU soon tho |
| 02:09.30 | Mephs | yah |
| 02:09.32 | Acemore | i'll try, ty for the advice |
| 02:09.38 | Mephs | basically just make a mouse macro |
| 02:15.46 | allenmelon | wassup |
| 02:16.07 | ekcolnovkol|afk | wryyy |
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| 02:32.22 | ZarafFaraz | I'm really surprised that it seemed like no one at Blizzcon had the balls to really stick the whole Popularity system issue out at the devs |
| 02:33.13 | ZarafFaraz | and I mean like asking them "Do you realize that the mass majority of the custom game fan community hates the popularity system?" |
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| 03:28.10 | Bounty | So uh, anyone know how to use Clamp? :) |
| 03:29.09 | Zara | in effect validator... for the effect to be finished validators must return FALSE or TRUE? |
| 03:29.54 | Bounty | How do you make it so an integer cannot go beyond a certain number when its modified? |
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| 03:30.02 | Bounty | sup loth |
| 03:30.04 | Bounty | lawl |
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| 03:30.11 | Zara | function fix(int) |
| 03:30.20 | lotharscm | lol hi |
| 03:30.25 | lotharscm | :D |
| 03:30.28 | Bounty | fuction eh? |
| 03:30.32 | Bounty | ive never used a fuction lol |
| 03:30.42 | Zara | if int<x int=x if int>y x=y return x |
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| 03:31.06 | Zara | set variable myint = fix(calculations) |
| 03:31.11 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:31.21 | Bounty | there is not an easier way to do it? like with Clamp? |
| 03:31.33 | Zara | what's clamp? |
| 03:31.42 | Bounty | no clue |
| 03:31.48 | Bounty | i asked this question on the forums and someone just said Clamp |
| 03:31.52 | Bounty | thats all he said |
| 03:31.58 | Zara | I don't find it difficult anyway |
| 03:32.27 | Bounty | well ive never used fuctions so i have no idea what u just said :) |
| 03:32.38 | Zara | you make an activator function |
| 03:32.46 | Zara | and you write exactly what i said in it |
| 03:33.12 | Bounty | how do u make an activator fuction |
| 03:33.14 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:33.19 | Zara | new trigger |
| 03:33.30 | Zara | -> header of trigger, change to function, return type int |
| 03:34.18 | Bounty | how do u turn a trigger into a fuction |
| 03:34.28 | onetwo | hi |
| 03:34.42 | Bounty | hi onetwo |
| 03:35.01 | Zara | New > Function |
| 03:35.05 | Bounty | how to u make it so an integer cant go beyond a certain max value |
| 03:35.07 | Bounty | ok |
| 03:35.17 | onetwo | hi bounty you bastard |
| 03:35.18 | onetwo | jk <3 |
| 03:35.19 | Zara | if int<x int=x if int>y x=y return x |
| 03:35.22 | Bounty | :) |
| 03:35.29 | Zara | the built in function is broken |
| 03:35.39 | onetwo | just like you morally broke this channel? |
| 03:35.42 | onetwo | zing |
| 03:35.47 | onetwo | thanks guys |
| 03:35.49 | Zara | TRAAAAAAAAAK |
| 03:35.53 | onetwo | seacrest out |
| 03:36.02 | Bounty | fuk it man |
| 03:36.02 | Zara | I'm not that immoral. |
| 03:36.04 | Zara | Damn |
| 03:36.05 | Bounty | none of this makes sense |
| 03:36.08 | Bounty | i make a fuction |
| 03:36.14 | Bounty | and its talking about booleans n crap i dont use |
| 03:36.15 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:36.18 | Zara | HEY |
| 03:36.24 | Zara | return type -> change to int |
| 03:36.44 | Mephs | need a tester on US rq |
| 03:36.48 | Bounty | ah |
| 03:36.50 | Bounty | ok |
| 03:36.52 | onetwo | omw Mephs |
| 03:36.55 | onetwo | onetwo.855 |
| 03:37.00 | Mephs | thx! |
| 03:37.14 | Bounty | and where do i put the ifs |
| 03:37.16 | Bounty | that you listed |
| 03:37.46 | Zara | now |
| 03:38.03 | Zara | create two constant variables in it |
| 03:38.07 | Zara | INT |
| 03:38.15 | Zara | MinValue = your min value |
| 03:38.25 | Zara | MaxValue = your max value |
| 03:38.49 | Bounty | there is no MinValue |
| 03:38.52 | Bounty | or do u mean name it that? |
| 03:38.58 | Zara | yes yes |
| 03:39.02 | Zara | it's the name |
| 03:39.14 | Zara | and you set them following your needs |
| 03:39.15 | Bounty | ok |
| 03:39.16 | Bounty | gotcha :) |
| 03:39.24 | Bounty | done |
| 03:39.30 | Zara | actions-> right click |
| 03:39.44 | Maknyuzz | Even Justin Beiber repods to his fans daily |
| 03:39.49 | Zara | General -> If Else EndIf struct -> doubleclick |
| 03:39.55 | Maknyuzz | Blizzard the only one not responding to community |
| 03:40.15 | Mephs | blizzard has 5000 employees and not one PR consultant |
| 03:40.15 | Bounty | u mean if then else? |
| 03:40.16 | Zara | i don't give a fuck about blizzard, they can fill up my ass |
| 03:40.16 | Mephs | obv. |
| 03:40.28 | Zara | yes if then else |
| 03:40.35 | Bounty | kk gotcha |
| 03:40.40 | Zara | now |
| 03:40.53 | Zara | click Condition right click |
| 03:41.00 | Zara | new condition |
| 03:41.13 | Zara | Right Click IF -> new condition |
| 03:41.19 | Bounty | yeah |
| 03:41.21 | Bounty | comparison? |
| 03:41.24 | Zara | ya |
| 03:41.26 | Bounty | or WB? |
| 03:41.26 | Bounty | kk |
| 03:41.30 | Zara | before |
| 03:41.35 | Zara | you need to add a parameter |
| 03:41.38 | Zara | so |
| 03:41.49 | Bounty | wahts the parameter? |
| 03:41.52 | Zara | right click Parameters on top -> New Parameter |
| 03:41.56 | Bounty | the variable i need to keep within the numbers? |
| 03:41.57 | Zara | it's the INT you want to fix |
| 03:42.00 | Bounty | kk |
| 03:42.00 | Zara | ya |
| 03:42.11 | Zara | call it IntToFix or whatever the fuck ya want |
| 03:42.29 | Zara | Now... back to the condition |
| 03:42.58 | Zara | condition must be... MYINTTOFIX < MINVALUE |
| 03:43.41 | Zara | Right Click Then -> New Action -> General -> Return ------------> and you RETURN MINVALUE |
| 03:44.21 | Zara | now... a new IF THEN ELSE action above this one... condition MYINTTOFIX > MAXVALUE | action RETURN MAXVALUE |
| 03:44.22 | LordAbyss | ok i am crazy bored |
| 03:44.39 | Maknyuzz | play Baneling Marathon TD |
| 03:44.46 | Maknyuzz | if ur bored LordAbyss |
| 03:44.49 | Zara | last thing to do abowe this RETURN MYINTTOFIX |
| 03:44.51 | Zara | stop |
| 03:45.08 | LordAbyss | i think i will go watch ncis and house |
| 03:45.14 | Bounty | stop what? |
| 03:45.20 | Zara | that'all |
| 03:45.30 | Zara | IF THEN ELSE | IF THEN ELSE | RETURN |
| 03:45.35 | Zara | that's all you must have |
| 03:45.54 | Bounty | if Parameter > Max Val Then Return Max Val |
| 03:45.58 | Zara | ya |
| 03:46.02 | Zara | perfect |
| 03:46.05 | Bounty | If Parameter > Min val return Min Val |
| 03:46.06 | Bounty | yeah |
| 03:46.08 | Bounty | it wont let me save now |
| 03:46.09 | Zara | NAH |
| 03:46.18 | Zara | Parameter < Min val |
| 03:46.22 | Zara | return Min Val |
| 03:46.33 | Zara | now |
| 03:46.34 | Bounty | k |
| 03:46.36 | Bounty | still wont let me save lol |
| 03:46.40 | Bounty | giving me an error |
| 03:46.45 | Zara | after the two IF THEN ELSE |
| 03:46.49 | Zara | u must add a return |
| 03:46.51 | Zara | alone |
| 03:46.57 | Zara | without any condition |
| 03:47.01 | Zara | RETURN Parameter |
| 03:47.24 | Bounty | that it? |
| 03:47.26 | Zara | and it will let u save |
| 03:47.28 | Bounty | yeah |
| 03:47.32 | Zara | perfect |
| 03:47.34 | Bounty | thats alittle riddiculous |
| 03:47.41 | Bounty | for fucking such a simple task |
| 03:47.43 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:47.56 | Zara | I've sen worse things programming ^^ |
| 03:47.58 | Bounty | thx for the help :) |
| 03:47.58 | Zara | Don't worry |
| 03:48.04 | Zara | Now |
| 03:48.06 | Bounty | yeah i know but |
| 03:48.10 | Bounty | this is why i use triggers :) |
| 03:48.15 | Zara | When you need to FIX this variable |
| 03:48.23 | Zara | between limits |
| 03:48.30 | Zara | just use that function |
| 03:48.35 | Bounty | how do i do that |
| 03:48.41 | Bounty | its for a combo system |
| 03:48.47 | Bounty | and the max number cant go above 10 |
| 03:48.49 | Zara | tell me an example |
| 03:48.55 | Bounty | but it gets added to everytime u do damage |
| 03:49.01 | Zara | of where tou will use that var |
| 03:49.04 | Zara | and I explain |
| 03:49.09 | Bounty | just did |
| 03:49.10 | Bounty | :) |
| 03:49.22 | Zara | of so for example |
| 03:49.35 | Zara | you have a variable called Damage ok? INT-Damage |
| 03:49.45 | Bounty | ok |
| 03:49.48 | Deaod | you realize SC2 has MinI/MaxI/MinF/MaxF functions? |
| 03:50.12 | Deaod | which are natives, btw. |
| 03:50.19 | onetwo | woohoo 28 days later is on tv |
| 03:50.22 | Zara | well if he wants to customize |
| 03:50.25 | Zara | that value |
| 03:50.30 | Zara | it's more useful |
| 03:50.30 | Maknyuzz | Kung Fu Panda is on TV too |
| 03:50.30 | Deaod | huh? |
| 03:50.31 | Maknyuzz | wohooo |
| 03:50.34 | Bounty | honestly i just dont want it to go over 10 |
| 03:50.36 | Bounty | thats all i need |
| 03:50.38 | Deaod | customize what? |
| 03:50.39 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:50.45 | Bounty | this integer im using |
| 03:50.49 | Bounty | i just dont want it going over 10 |
| 03:50.54 | Deaod | MinI(value, 10) |
| 03:50.58 | Deaod | done. |
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| 03:51.12 | Zara | and if he doesn't want to go under 0? |
| 03:51.16 | Zara | call two functions? |
| 03:51.24 | Deaod | yes. |
| 03:51.25 | onetwo | blow his brains out |
| 03:51.27 | Zara | bah |
| 03:51.35 | Deaod | MaxI(0, MinI(value, 10) |
| 03:51.36 | Deaod | ) |
| 03:51.41 | Zara | Damage = Fix(Strength / Dexterity / Intelligence) |
| 03:51.44 | Zara | For example |
| 03:51.52 | Zara | and you will always get a value between 0 and 10 |
| 03:52.04 | Zara | or mmmhhhh |
| 03:52.15 | Zara | Damage = Fix((Strength + Dexterity) - Intelligence) |
| 03:52.16 | Deaod | so uhh, he wants the highest out of Str/Dex/Int? |
| 03:52.28 | onetwo | what if you had the next 3 days to save everything you live for? |
| 03:52.30 | onetwo | huh? |
| 03:52.30 | Zara | nah nah that was just an example |
| 03:52.34 | Bounty | wtf is MaxI(0, MinI(Value, 10) lol |
| 03:52.47 | Zara | inverse them :D |
| 03:52.58 | Bounty | this is so insane |
| 03:53.02 | Bounty | it cant be this difficult |
| 03:53.05 | onetwo | lol |
| 03:53.06 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:53.12 | Bounty | seriously |
| 03:53.14 | Zara | that's why mine is better |
| 03:53.15 | Deaod | else: |
| 03:53.18 | Bounty | prevent a number from NOT going over 10 |
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| 03:53.21 | Zara | more customizable/easy for a noob |
| 03:53.22 | Bounty | n this is what it takes? |
| 03:53.23 | onetwo | max(0,min(55,10)) gives max(0,10) gives (10) |
| 03:53.33 | onetwo | if value was 55 |
| 03:53.40 | Bounty | yeah but i have no idea waht ur saying |
| 03:53.43 | Bounty | i only use triggers |
| 03:53.47 | Bounty | so, i dont see many numbers |
| 03:53.49 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:53.50 | Deaod | if(value<0)value=0; else if(value>10) value=10; return value; |
| 03:53.59 | Zara | Damn deaod |
| 03:54.07 | Deaod | what the fucks so complicated about this. |
| 03:54.12 | Zara | it's been since a while I said that |
| 03:54.19 | Bounty | because i dont know what teh fuck ur talking about |
| 03:54.27 | Zara | if(value<0)value=0; else if(value>10) value=10; return value; |
| 03:54.28 | Bounty | thats whats so complicated about it lol |
| 03:54.37 | Zara | that's exactly the function I made you create |
| 03:54.37 | Bounty | i asked this question on the forums |
| 03:54.41 | Bounty | and the dude just said |
| 03:54.45 | Bounty | "CLAMP" |
| 03:54.48 | Bounty | thats all he said |
| 03:54.59 | Bounty | yeah i have this fuction so how do i use it lol |
| 03:55.01 | Bounty | :) |
| 03:55.08 | Deaod | yeah, thats the common function name for a function that does this. |
| 03:55.09 | Zara | I explained that also |
| 03:55.24 | Zara | ok let's say that |
| 03:55.45 | Zara | your damage is calculated with 3 character stats ok? |
| 03:55.50 | Bounty | no man |
| 03:55.51 | Bounty | dont go there |
| 03:55.53 | Bounty | its not that in depth |
| 03:55.55 | Bounty | its ONE number |
| 03:55.56 | Bounty | 0 |
| 03:55.57 | Zara | so fucking hel |
| 03:56.01 | Bounty | it gets added to |
| 03:56.03 | Bounty | +1 |
| 03:56.07 | Zara | tell me WHERE the fuck you are gonna use it |
| 03:56.10 | Bounty | i just dont want it to go over 10 |
| 03:56.13 | Zara | and I'll explain how to use it |
| 03:56.15 | Bounty | i fucking told u lol |
| 03:56.21 | Bounty | when a player hits an enemiy |
| 03:56.25 | Bounty | it gets +1 added to it |
| 03:56.30 | Bounty | Modify Variable + 1 |
| 03:56.36 | Bounty | thats it |
| 03:56.37 | Bounty | lol |
| 03:56.40 | Zara | .................... |
| 03:56.41 | Deaod | value=MinI(value+1, 10) |
| 03:56.49 | Zara | ya |
| 03:57.06 | Zara | addeddamage=MinI(value+1, 10) |
| 03:57.22 | Bounty | ok and where am i putting this stuff? lol |
| 03:57.35 | Zara | where the fuck you need to put it :) |
| 03:57.40 | Deaod | you see the line where you increment whatever variable youre using? |
| 03:57.45 | Bounty | i dont fucking know lool |
| 03:57.52 | Zara | so plan yout code before |
| 03:57.59 | Zara | your code |
| 03:58.07 | Bounty | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:58.12 | Bounty | damnit i cant paste it |
| 03:58.12 | Zara | if you don't know what to do with that now... we can't help you |
| 03:58.21 | Deaod | www.pastebin.com |
| 03:58.25 | Deaod | post there. |
| 03:58.48 | Bounty | http://pastebin.com/hzYZHYK7 |
| 03:58.54 | Zara | deaod effect validators must return FALSE or TRUE for the effect to be applied? |
| 03:59.07 | Zara | i'm confusedf |
| 03:59.20 | Deaod | how am i supposed to know? |
| 03:59.30 | Deaod | i know next to nothing about SC2 editing. |
| 03:59.34 | Zara | dunno maybe you used data ed... |
| 03:59.37 | Zara | LOALZ |
| 03:59.42 | Bounty | P1 Focus is the variable i dont want going over 10 |
| 03:59.50 | Bounty | in that pastebin i linked |
| 03:59.57 | mahashiro | hey guys, is there a trigger to stop units from entering a region? |
| 04:00.23 | mahashiro | besides moving them out to a spawn point? |
| 04:01.02 | Zara | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:01.07 | Zara | oooooooof shit |
| 04:02.10 | Zara | but learn a bit of programming before modifying that things... or you will be there asking for help every 2 minutes |
| 04:02.15 | Deaod | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:02.15 | Bounty | ok |
| 04:02.22 | Zara | and it will become a coding helpdesk |
| 04:02.23 | Bounty | like this Zara? |
| 04:02.25 | Bounty | http://pastebin.com/CsJsqD6f |
| 04:02.25 | Deaod | fuck GUI |
| 04:02.35 | Zara | ya |
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| 04:03.04 | Bounty | meh ive never had any issues making a map before |
| 04:03.10 | Bounty | this is the only part i couldnt figure out |
| 04:03.12 | Bounty | bc like i said |
| 04:03.15 | Bounty | I only use triggers |
| 04:03.16 | Bounty | :) |
| 04:03.24 | Zara | triggers suck |
| 04:03.30 | Bounty | not really lol |
| 04:03.35 | Deaod | they do. |
| 04:03.43 | Zara | said the expert |
| 04:04.05 | Bounty | i was able to make every Planetary Boss Map, Doodad Hunt, Haunted Temple, Battlefield Egypt, Ling Ling Rocket etc with only triggers |
| 04:04.15 | Bounty | except the occasional data model edit |
| 04:04.17 | Deaod | yes, they suffice for most. |
| 04:04.18 | Zara | O_o |
| 04:04.19 | Bounty | i dont count that though lol |
| 04:04.37 | Deaod | doesnt mean the GUI is good |
| 04:04.49 | Zara | you are a modeler? |
| 04:05.11 | Bounty | me? |
| 04:05.14 | Zara | ya |
| 04:05.16 | Bounty | no |
| 04:05.18 | Bounty | i meant like |
| 04:05.21 | Bounty | importing models |
| 04:05.34 | Bounty | and editing unit properties and basic actor stuff |
| 04:05.40 | Bounty | thats the only data ive ever touched |
| 04:05.53 | Bounty | only thing u cant make with triggers is an RPG i think |
| 04:05.57 | Jum-Jum | Doodad hunt ruled |
| 04:06.14 | Bounty | only problem is... |
| 04:06.15 | mahashiro | hey bounty, do you run into any speed issues w/ only triggers? |
| 04:06.18 | Bounty | LOTS of triggers lol |
| 04:06.46 | Bounty | No i do not Mahashiro |
| 04:06.54 | Bounty | i make abilities with triggers lol |
| 04:06.58 | Bounty | for AI |
| 04:07.04 | mahashiro | ok |
| 04:07.08 | Bounty | and they run fine |
| 04:07.10 | mahashiro | I had some trouble w/ lag earlier |
| 04:07.21 | mahashiro | so I've been moving things over to the data editor |
| 04:07.29 | mahashiro | I don't know if that'll help though |
| 04:07.38 | Bounty | well the only thing ive ever noticed is timing |
| 04:07.43 | Bounty | like if an animation is .5 seconds long |
| 04:07.50 | Bounty | and i want the trigger to wait .5 seconds |
| 04:07.56 | Bounty | itll wait like .7 if ur on bnet lol |
| 04:08.04 | mahashiro | ok |
| 04:08.07 | Bounty | so i just overshoot it |
| 04:08.12 | Bounty | and it works :) |
| 04:08.14 | Deaod | cool. Blizzard still cant properly implement waits. |
| 04:08.18 | mahashiro | that's good |
| 04:08.25 | Bounty | Deaod |
| 04:08.27 | Bounty | it works fine in testing |
| 04:08.31 | Bounty | but when u take it online lol |
| 04:08.34 | Deaod | i know. |
| 04:08.38 | Bounty | its like 1-0.5 seconds off |
| 04:08.40 | Bounty | which means |
| 04:08.43 | Bounty | no Starcraft guitar hero |
| 04:08.45 | Bounty | :) |
| 04:08.54 | Bounty | unless someone does it with data? |
| 04:09.14 | Mephs | you can't really make anything exceedingly technical or engaging because of bnet lag |
| 04:09.18 | Mephs | even with data |
| 04:09.28 | Mephs | its not just WASD that lags, even right click moving lags out |
| 04:09.30 | Saeris | hmmmmm |
| 04:09.44 | Saeris | mmmmmmm |
| 04:09.46 | Saeris | bored |
| 04:09.49 | Mephs | unless you make it an offline game :S |
| 04:10.35 | Mephs | and even funnier about a reaction press game, if you're playing music and someone lags out... |
| 04:10.41 | Mephs | even for a split second |
| 04:10.43 | Saeris | sixen any word on what the next contest or community event will be? |
| 04:10.47 | Mephs | everything de-syncs lol |
| 04:11.58 | Saeris | yea, any rythmn game within starcraft is almost entirely doomed to fail |
| 04:12.09 | Mephs | at least online. |
| 04:12.11 | Bounty | im doing a kingdom hearts/phantasy star camera arena game now lol |
| 04:12.15 | Bounty | just for me though |
| 04:12.20 | Bounty | works good sof ar |
| 04:12.21 | Mephs | the fuck |
| 04:12.25 | Mephs | is everyone doing an arena game now |
| 04:12.29 | Saeris | even offline too mephs, i don't think reals would be enough for it |
| 04:12.30 | Bounty | so far* |
| 04:12.37 | Saeris | you'd need floats |
| 04:12.37 | Mephs | first rowland now you |
| 04:12.39 | Bounty | co op arena |
| 04:12.41 | Saeris | for pricision |
| 04:12.42 | Mephs | ah |
| 04:12.43 | Bounty | its not pvp |
| 04:12.45 | Mephs | k |
| 04:12.55 | Mephs | saeris: probably not |
| 04:13.06 | Bounty | its like a tug of war to lol |
| 04:13.08 | Bounty | no hp |
| 04:13.09 | Mephs | i considered a DDR'ish game with the in-game dance anims but they're too static and not enough variation |
| 04:13.15 | Mephs | anyway |
| 04:13.16 | Bounty | u win by winning the crowd over with flashy moves :) |
| 04:13.16 | Deaod | fixed has 3 digits precision. |
| 04:13.26 | Mephs | took about 2 sec to think about that and go "oh...yea that wont work" |
| 04:14.01 | Saeris | i'm toying with the idea of creating a 5 minute game |
| 04:14.20 | Bounty | im making a long ass game lol |
| 04:14.22 | Mephs | my arena game isn't gonna be long matches, not cuz of pop but its meant to be fast paced |
| 04:14.26 | Maknyuzz | speed issues only occurs on Footman Frenzy type |
| 04:14.32 | Bounty | nah im not makign ths map for pop list |
| 04:14.34 | Bounty | its for me and friends |
| 04:14.39 | Mephs | yeh |
| 04:14.41 | Bounty | which actually... makes it more fun to make lol |
| 04:14.46 | Mephs | you realize |
| 04:14.59 | Mephs | if you boosted wing chang chang for one night you'd be able to get it on the list higher than p5 |
| 04:15.08 | Bounty | i know |
| 04:15.12 | Bounty | i really dont like boosting though |
| 04:15.15 | Mephs | its not that hard to do |
| 04:15.19 | Mephs | and everyone does it |
| 04:15.21 | Bounty | i did it that one night |
| 04:15.26 | Bounty | then they reset three times |
| 04:15.27 | Mephs | at least to page highe nough to get real plays |
| 04:15.29 | Bounty | lol |
| 04:15.44 | Mephs | like seriously i only have to boost constantly cuz its a 10 player game |
| 04:15.54 | Mephs | with a 4p game you'd get enough plays to get p2 or higher easily |
| 04:15.59 | Bounty | Honestly? I just want to know why the hell Doodad Hunt worked to much |
| 04:16.08 | Bounty | At first ithought it was bc i posted threads on all the sites |
| 04:16.11 | Mephs | idk, i thought it was pretty drab. |
| 04:16.14 | Lilianna | "This game takes 10 seconds" New game of 10 second minigames, goooo |
| 04:16.16 | Mephs | and the controls were annoying |
| 04:16.19 | Lilianna | like Warior Ware |
| 04:16.19 | Bounty | the camera was a fucking disaster |
| 04:16.23 | Mephs | ^ |
| 04:16.23 | Bounty | and ppl loved it? |
| 04:16.28 | Bounty | thats why if u noticed |
| 04:16.29 | Mephs | thats the biggest thing i hate about TPS games on bnet |
| 04:16.36 | Mephs | is the camera's usually riding up my char's ass |
| 04:16.38 | Mephs | i can't see shit |
| 04:16.40 | Bounty | i made new maps for doodad hunt with less clutter |
| 04:16.41 | Bounty | yeah |
| 04:16.44 | Bounty | thats why the arena game im making |
| 04:16.47 | Bounty | its like a star ocean view |
| 04:16.50 | Bounty | if u know what i mean |
| 04:17.01 | Bounty | its not up ur ass lol |
| 04:17.04 | Bounty | tilted abit |
| 04:17.14 | Mephs | yea |
| 04:17.20 | Saeris | to be honest, part of why i want to make a 5 minute game is to see it at the top of the list |
| 04:17.26 | Bounty | and since its an arena, i just made a region |
| 04:17.31 | Saeris | but another reason is the idea would be a community project |
| 04:17.33 | Bounty | if they leave that region and get close to walls |
| 04:17.34 | Saeris | not like a team thing |
| 04:17.35 | Bounty | it zooms in |
| 04:17.41 | Saeris | i'm talking all of mapster |
| 04:17.50 | Saeris | could get in on it for like a week or a month |
| 04:18.08 | Bounty | to make a 5 minute game? |
| 04:18.09 | Bounty | lol |
| 04:18.10 | Saeris | cuz it's actually pretty simple, just lots of tiny asset creation |
| 04:18.25 | Mephs | i could make a p1 game |
| 04:18.32 | Mephs | easily, but whats the point |
| 04:18.34 | Bounty | if everyone at mapster all worked on a 5 minute game it would most likely be to great for anyone to handle the experience |
| 04:18.48 | Bounty | you cant cram that much win into 5 mins |
| 04:18.51 | Saeris | take 5 Minutes to Kill Yourself, pump it up to 4 players, have people submit 100+ ways to kill yourself |
| 04:18.52 | Mephs | name it "most popular map on bnet" |
| 04:18.57 | Saeris | put them all in a map together |
| 04:19.02 | Saeris | boom popular community map |
| 04:19.02 | Mephs | make it single player |
| 04:19.05 | Mephs | and yeah |
| 04:19.09 | Mephs | "5 minutes to ______" |
| 04:19.12 | Mephs | is the objective |
| 04:19.16 | Bounty | all i know is |
| 04:19.22 | Mephs | single player gets 4x more pop than 4 player! |
| 04:19.28 | Bounty | Ling Ling Rocket taught me how stupid people on bnet really are |
| 04:19.36 | Bounty | To not be able to grasp the simple mechanic of arrows |
| 04:19.43 | Bounty | even with instructions lol |
| 04:19.44 | *** join/#sc2mapster Funkeh` (~funk@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Ace3/BigWigs/funkeh) |
| 04:19.45 | Mephs | and yet they can understand dota. |
| 04:19.47 | Mephs | idk |
| 04:19.51 | Bounty | yeah |
| 04:19.52 | Bounty | exactly |
| 04:19.55 | Mephs | i tried to make l4d as simple as possible to figure out |
| 04:19.58 | Mephs | you have 2 abilities |
| 04:20.00 | Mephs | on your fu cking swarm char |
| 04:20.05 | Mephs | and i still see ppl wandering around the map aimlessly |
| 04:20.10 | Bounty | yep |
| 04:20.12 | Saeris | mostly cuz people talk about dota and they've heard how it plays, thus they play it |
| 04:20.12 | Mephs | it even tells |
| 04:20.15 | Mephs | you exactly what to do when you spawn |
| 04:20.20 | Mephs | and ppl ask "wtf do i do?" |
| 04:20.23 | Saeris | i figure if the instructions are as simple as the game title |
| 04:20.26 | Saeris | game works |
| 04:20.32 | Mephs | i'm banking |
| 04:20.35 | Mephs | on ppl not understanding my arena game either |
| 04:20.37 | Jum-Jum | and thats why nexus wars is the most popular map Mephs |
| 04:20.40 | Mephs | "kill theo ther team" "DERP WTF DO I DO" |
| 04:20.45 | Jum-Jum | "oh its starcraft... but i dont have to move the units!" |
| 04:20.53 | Mephs | i've even had ppl ask me how the fuck to move their char |
| 04:20.59 | Bounty | lol |
| 04:21.02 | Bounty | now thats stupidity |
| 04:21.03 | Mephs | cuz i didn't put the Move command on the card |
| 04:21.07 | Mephs | even tho you could right click move |
| 04:21.09 | Bounty | wtf |
| 04:21.13 | Bounty | who uses the command card? |
| 04:21.18 | Bounty | to move... |
| 04:21.22 | Mephs | lol |
| 04:21.24 | Saeris | idiots on bnet |
| 04:21.25 | Saeris | of course |
| 04:21.26 | Mephs | apparently they exist. |
| 04:21.48 | Saeris | so yea |
| 04:21.53 | Saeris | i see your concern though |
| 04:22.01 | Saeris | that to compile a community map like that would be hard |
| 04:22.08 | Jum-Jum | maybe its just me but i dont remember playing online with such ridicolous idiots like 8 years ago |
| 04:22.14 | Jum-Jum | when only true gamer nerds played |
| 04:22.15 | Bounty | Honestly |
| 04:22.17 | Jum-Jum | now its casual retards |
| 04:22.17 | Bounty | You cant win |
| 04:22.23 | Bounty | Because if you make a simple map and it gets popular |
| 04:22.23 | Saeris | but i say to you, look at that community terraining map that was around a few weeks ago |
| 04:22.26 | Mephs | idc really |
| 04:22.28 | Bounty | Guess what everyone will be saying? |
| 04:22.29 | Saeris | that was amazingly successful |
| 04:22.34 | Bounty | "Needs more depth" |
| 04:22.36 | Mephs | i just want to release a polished map and keep it up to date |
| 04:22.43 | Mephs | and at least see it get played |
| 04:22.54 | Bounty | im working on this arena map forever lol |
| 04:22.57 | Saeris | i just want to see us all working together |
| 04:23.02 | Bounty | bc this is honestly the only map ive ever wanted to make |
| 04:23.04 | Saeris | and making something better than the rest of bnet |
| 04:23.11 | Saeris | regardless of whether people like it |
| 04:23.11 | Jum-Jum | im only good at terraining |
| 04:23.13 | Saeris | we will |
| 04:23.19 | Mephs | data & triggers here |
| 04:23.26 | Jum-Jum | i can do triggers and stuff but its not any good |
| 04:23.27 | Saeris | triggers and terrain here |
| 04:23.27 | Mephs | my terrain looks like turd |
| 04:23.39 | Lilianna | Ideas & data here! |
| 04:23.40 | Mephs | i can make some cool fx too but thats the extent of it |
| 04:23.40 | Lilianna | :D |
| 04:23.43 | Jum-Jum | i suck at coding, so i suck at triggers |
| 04:23.43 | Saeris | still learning data |
| 04:23.47 | Mephs | man everyone got ideas shuddap |
| 04:23.49 | Bounty | idk wtf im doing |
| 04:23.51 | mahashiro | I've gotten pretty good w/ data/triggers |
| 04:23.52 | Lilianna | :p |
| 04:23.52 | Mephs | you aint special |
| 04:23.53 | Bounty | its like i open the editor |
| 04:23.54 | Bounty | and black out |
| 04:23.56 | Bounty | and i produce maps |
| 04:23.57 | mahashiro | if you guys need help |
| 04:23.59 | Lilianna | But your not watching RHPS |
| 04:24.02 | Lilianna | so I win! |
| 04:24.18 | Mephs | gangbang the back row |
| 04:24.18 | Jum-Jum | Theres a campaign I want to do but I can't do it |
| 04:24.28 | Jum-Jum | I had two other interested in making it but it felt pointless |
| 04:24.29 | Lilianna | Damnit Janet! |
| 04:24.32 | Jum-Jum | Thanks to blizzard |
| 04:24.32 | Saeris | we all have one of those jum |
| 04:24.36 | Bounty | I wonder when they are going to increase the map file size limit |
| 04:24.40 | Mephs | i haven't been to RHPS since high school lol |
| 04:24.41 | Mephs | good times |
| 04:24.44 | Lilianna | hehe |
| 04:24.55 | Lilianna | I realized I dont remember the entire movie |
| 04:24.59 | Lilianna | so Im watching it full through |
| 04:25.01 | Saeris | bounty they said they would eventually |
| 04:25.04 | Mephs | i used to |
| 04:25.05 | Jum-Jum | but mine would be enjoyable by a lot of people Saeris, it would basically be like the starcraft 2 campaign but with multiple people |
| 04:25.13 | Zara | mahashiro |
| 04:25.14 | Saeris | obviously things on par with blizzard dota would require it |
| 04:25.15 | Mephs | i forgot everything in 10 years |
| 04:25.20 | mahashiro | hi |
| 04:25.20 | Zara | I have a question for you, come on query |
| 04:25.24 | mahashiro | ok |
| 04:25.24 | Zara | ^^ |
| 04:25.27 | Saeris | jum, you're still not the first |
| 04:25.30 | Jum-Jum | and linked objectives, objectives that would change the next map etc |
| 04:25.36 | Jum-Jum | which you cant do |
| 04:25.38 | Jum-Jum | thanks to blizzard |
| 04:25.44 | Jum-Jum | i need to write a thank you note to blizzard |
| 04:26.30 | Jum-Jum | all campaigns ive seen so far are just rpgs Saeris, i dont like custom made rpgs |
| 04:26.33 | Saeris | it may take until heart of the swarm to have map file size increase a lot |
| 04:26.43 | Saeris | for the marketplace |
| 04:26.51 | Bounty | it should be atleast 20mb |
| 04:26.55 | Bounty | 10mb is a joke |
| 04:26.59 | Lilianna | and I only said Ideas, because I like to solve problems have that people come up with, solve them in data ideas |
| 04:27.02 | Saeris | 10 map limit is a joke too |
| 04:27.02 | Bounty | the lich king model is 2mb |
| 04:27.04 | Bounty | lol |
| 04:27.07 | Maknyuzz | blizzard is too slow |
| 04:27.17 | Maknyuzz | they're lucky their competitor is dumbass EA |
| 04:27.19 | Saeris | especially if the names get banned if you take one of yours down |
| 04:27.22 | Saeris | can't swap them out |
| 04:27.24 | Maknyuzz | if they face google or apple |
| 04:27.24 | Lilianna | Dont use all the anims then Bounty |
| 04:27.26 | Maknyuzz | Blizzard is dead |
| 04:27.27 | Lilianna | Use fewer ones! |
| 04:27.41 | Jum-Jum | Blizzard died a long time ago |
| 04:27.43 | Bounty | im surprised i managed to squeeze in 3 mp3's and 5 wow models into my arena map |
| 04:27.51 | Maknyuzz | without WoW Blizzard is dead |
| 04:28.05 | Jum-Jum | When like everyone was kicked off or left Blizz |
| 04:28.10 | Jum-Jum | and made ArenaNET and stuff |
| 04:28.36 | Saeris | i can't say the old diablo team is doing spectacular either |
| 04:28.41 | Saeris | torchlight is fun |
| 04:28.50 | Saeris | but they still aren't even on par with blizz |
| 04:28.51 | Jum-Jum | I find it kinda stupid how they keep talking about how customizable your maps can be and how you can make "epic maps". And how you should get like proffesional teams together and make super awesome maps. Too bad, 10mb map limit. Can't make campaigns either. |
| 04:28.52 | Maknyuzz | torchlight not epic enough |
| 04:29.06 | Bounty | honestly i thought they missed out with torchlight |
| 04:29.09 | Bounty | no multiplayer ? |
| 04:29.10 | Bounty | really? |
| 04:29.11 | Bounty | lol |
| 04:29.11 | Lilianna | I never did finish torchlight. :x |
| 04:29.19 | Saeris | torchlight is an experiment bounty |
| 04:29.22 | Bounty | They could have triples their sales if it has MP in it |
| 04:29.28 | Bounty | didnt feel like it |
| 04:29.29 | Saeris | an initial product to pad the company |
| 04:29.34 | Saeris | after the failure of hellgate london |
| 04:29.40 | Saeris | and the reforming |
| 04:29.40 | Bounty | that shit felt better then sacred 2 |
| 04:29.43 | Saeris | into runic games |
| 04:29.53 | Bounty | thats who made it? |
| 04:29.54 | Jum-Jum | haha wow, sacred |
| 04:29.57 | Bounty | Hellgate Londons company? |
| 04:29.59 | Jum-Jum | buggiest rpg game ever |
| 04:30.04 | Saeris | the remnants of it yes |
| 04:30.08 | Lilianna | Hellgate London was soo bad |
| 04:30.08 | Bounty | lol tahts funny |
| 04:30.15 | Jum-Jum | its too bad, if they actually worked more on the heroes and fixed all the bugs sacred would've been amazing |
| 04:30.16 | Bounty | Hellgate london was good but |
| 04:30.17 | Saeris | flagship fell apart, some of the execs made runic |
| 04:30.18 | Bounty | the content was bad |
| 04:30.26 | Saeris | hellgate tanked that company |
| 04:30.32 | Bounty | Torchlight is what Flagship should have made |
| 04:30.33 | Lilianna | you cant say something is good if its part bad... |
| 04:30.36 | Bounty | fuck hellgate |
| 04:30.39 | Bounty | they should have only made Mythos |
| 04:30.41 | Bounty | that game... |
| 04:30.43 | Bounty | looked SO good |
| 04:30.50 | Saeris | torchlight 2 is comming out soon |
| 04:30.56 | Saeris | it will have multiplayer i think |
| 04:31.03 | Bounty | yeah it will |
| 04:31.05 | Bounty | but still |
| 04:31.06 | Saeris | it's all working up to a torchlight mmo |
| 04:31.15 | Bounty | Mythos looked amazing |
| 04:31.16 | Bounty | lol |
| 04:31.18 | Saeris | i'm kinda glad they're taking it slow |
| 04:31.21 | Saeris | mythos was crap |
| 04:31.22 | Saeris | actually |
| 04:31.24 | Mephs | torchlight: proof you can make a game entirely in c# |
| 04:31.26 | Saeris | i didn't like it |
| 04:32.02 | Bounty | Blizz needs to add more animations for sc2 models |
| 04:32.05 | Bounty | so bleh |
| 04:32.11 | Saeris | runic will end up being successful for taking it slow and listening to their fans |
| 04:32.11 | Bounty | i want some backflips |
| 04:32.17 | RodOfNOD | lol |
| 04:32.22 | Saeris | and not jump headlong into ambitious projects again |
| 04:32.28 | Bounty | seriously |
| 04:32.28 | Mephs | they're sposed to add an animation editor |
| 04:32.32 | Bounty | how hard would it be |
| 04:32.35 | Bounty | to make nova do a barrel roll |
| 04:32.37 | Mephs | i honestly can't wait |
| 04:32.37 | Bounty | as an animation |
| 04:32.44 | Mephs | cuz right now i'm limited by the stock anims |
| 04:32.51 | Bounty | same |
| 04:32.55 | Mephs | i'm not a 3d modeller but i think with some basic bone control i could make some really neat stuff |
| 04:33.04 | Lilianna | If you want to make something flip, attach it to a spinning baneling. >.> |
| 04:33.06 | Bounty | i knew my melee hero in my arena map was going to use whirlwind, so i was forced to use Zeratul |
| 04:33.12 | Bounty | bc hes the only one with a whirlwind animation lol |
| 04:33.15 | Lilianna | It worked well for Creator |
| 04:33.16 | Mephs | yea |
| 04:33.23 | Lilianna | that was an idea of mine. :D |
| 04:33.25 | Lilianna | :p |
| 04:33.36 | Bounty | some of the wow models have good animations |
| 04:33.38 | Mephs | i've spent 140 some hours on 4 heroes |
| 04:33.46 | Mephs | to get the anims exactly the way i want them |
| 04:33.51 | Mephs | and ability effects |
| 04:33.54 | Bounty | thats why i use triggers :) |
| 04:34.04 | Mephs | mm...you can't really achieve this level of effects with triggers |
| 04:34.11 | Mephs | at least not in the same amount of time |
| 04:34.13 | Saeris | i could not imagine spending that much time on one thing |
| 04:34.13 | Saeris | i mean |
| 04:34.18 | Bounty | well |
| 04:34.19 | Saeris | i put a lot of detail in to my maps |
| 04:34.21 | Saeris | in like |
| 04:34.27 | Saeris | tooltips, flavor text, etc |
| 04:34.27 | Mephs | thats why l4death took 3 months :| |
| 04:34.33 | Saeris | but animations and shit |
| 04:34.34 | Saeris | god damn |
| 04:34.38 | Mephs | i did the strangler/predator 90% in data editor |
| 04:34.39 | Saeris | can't stand it, my comp is too slow |
| 04:34.50 | Saeris | takes me 10 mins just to see any changes i make |
| 04:34.52 | Bounty | hold on |
| 04:34.52 | Mephs | you really can't get them to look that effective in triggers alone |
| 04:34.56 | Bounty | im gonna take a pic of this effect |
| 04:34.58 | Mephs | i actually tried doing them in triggers originally |
| 04:35.47 | Saeris | dialogs and animations kill me in map making |
| 04:35.52 | Mephs | that and triggers are sloppy |
| 04:35.53 | Saeris | glad that dialog editor map is out now |
| 04:35.58 | Mephs | they obfuscate your code so bad |
| 04:35.59 | *** join/#sc2mapster Funkeh` (~funk@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Ace3/BigWigs/funkeh) |
| 04:36.06 | Mephs | some of the conversions to galaxy make NO sense at all |
| 04:36.07 | RodOfNOD | dialogs are cake |
| 04:36.16 | Mephs | yea dialogs are ez |
| 04:36.24 | RodOfNOD | fucking events in the actors are a bitch |
| 04:36.30 | Saeris | dialogs could benefit from being more like HTML/CSS in their coding |
| 04:36.38 | Mephs | i dont get |
| 04:36.44 | Mephs | how fucking korean zerg players do differently |
| 04:36.59 | Mephs | i see fruitdealer a-move lings into a massive ball of marines and marauders and the T loses |
| 04:37.05 | Mephs | i do the same thing and i get trampled on |
| 04:37.11 | Mephs | i must not have the right korea gene to play this game :( |
| 04:37.39 | Jum-Jum | i dont think you surround them then |
| 04:37.42 | Jum-Jum | and you need banelings to do that |
| 04:37.42 | Mephs | no i do |
| 04:37.50 | Bounty | meh fuck it |
| 04:37.56 | Mephs | i had 4 hatcheries |
| 04:37.57 | Bounty | i cant take a picture and demonstrate these abilities |
| 04:38.07 | Mephs | and got trampled on by 2 thors and a ball of marines |
| 04:38.09 | Bounty | but i cheated the system to get the effects :) |
| 04:38.15 | Mephs | mm |
| 04:38.24 | Mephs | i dont mean just a single effect |
| 04:38.27 | Mephs | i mean a chain of effects |
| 04:38.30 | Bounty | same |
| 04:38.31 | Bounty | lol |
| 04:38.35 | Mephs | its hard to describe |
| 04:38.54 | Bounty | im not knocking your method |
| 04:39.02 | Bounty | bc mine is very... |
| 04:39.05 | Jum-Jum | what league are you in Mephs? |
| 04:39.06 | Mephs | i'm basically taking stock models and making animations that look nothing like anything you've seen in the editor |
| 04:39.07 | Bounty | ghetto? lol |
| 04:39.10 | Mephs | jum: diamond 1600 pt |
| 04:39.21 | onetwo | man i looked at the custom game list for the first time in a while |
| 04:39.21 | Bounty | so u edit animations? |
| 04:39.23 | Mephs | no |
| 04:39.23 | onetwo | its even worse now |
| 04:39.29 | Mephs | i splice stock models together |
| 04:39.30 | onetwo | only interesting map i saw was left 4 death |
| 04:39.33 | Jum-Jum | oh |
| 04:39.39 | Mephs | i can't wait to start working on 2.0 |
| 04:39.41 | Jum-Jum | im still platinum but ive only played 10 games |
| 04:39.45 | Mephs | TKC is slow but the terrain he's making looks phenomenal |
| 04:39.54 | Bounty | dude |
| 04:39.56 | Bounty | Terrain People |
| 04:39.58 | Bounty | take forever |
| 04:40.00 | Bounty | but when its done |
| 04:40.02 | Bounty | its sick |
| 04:40.03 | Bounty | lol |
| 04:40.03 | Mephs | yeah |
| 04:40.06 | onetwo | no |
| 04:40.07 | onetwo | data editor people |
| 04:40.09 | onetwo | take forever |
| 04:40.11 | onetwo | cough proziacmuze |
| 04:40.12 | Bounty | yeah but |
| 04:40.14 | Mephs | no |
| 04:40.17 | Bounty | when data people take forever |
| 04:40.17 | Mephs | prozaic is just lazy |
| 04:40.21 | Bounty | they make one unit |
| 04:40.23 | Bounty | n thats it |
| 04:40.24 | Bounty | :) |
| 04:40.26 | Jum-Jum | I dont think Terrain takes a long time :/ |
| 04:40.27 | Mephs | lol |
| 04:40.36 | Mephs | if you saw what TKC has done so far |
| 04:40.37 | Maknyuzz | its not that prozaic lazy |
| 04:40.38 | Mephs | you'd say otherwise :> |
| 04:40.39 | Jum-Jum | as soon as you get into the 'flow' I like finish my terrain in 12 hours straight lol |
| 04:40.42 | Bounty | It depends if u got the gift Jum Jun |
| 04:40.44 | Maknyuzz | no incentives in making maps anymore |
| 04:40.45 | Jum-Jum | or well not finish, but i make a nice draft |
| 04:40.50 | Jum-Jum | hahaha "the gift" |
| 04:40.53 | Mephs | like literally |
| 04:40.53 | Jum-Jum | or "the curse" |
| 04:40.55 | Mephs | half the map looks like ass |
| 04:40.57 | Mephs | cuz its all layout |
| 04:40.59 | Maknyuzz | u could make iphone apps and make tens of thousands |
| 04:41.00 | Mephs | but when he details shit |
| 04:41.04 | Bounty | i suck at terrain but i like combining doodads |
| 04:41.05 | Mephs | i bout fucking creamed my pants |
| 04:41.06 | Bounty | Like |
| 04:41.15 | Bounty | i took 3 fence poles and shrunk em |
| 04:41.17 | Bounty | flattened a barrel |
| 04:41.19 | Bounty | BOOm |
| 04:41.21 | Bounty | Bar Stool |
| 04:41.22 | Mephs | playing with scale |
| 04:41.24 | Bounty | lol |
| 04:41.25 | Mephs | you make some epic effects |
| 04:41.35 | Bounty | yeah |
| 04:41.38 | Mephs | scale, time scale, and effects with lots fo particles |
| 04:41.42 | Jum-Jum | I tend to make a draft of like 1/6th of the map, and then i decide "lets make a draft of the entire map, see the layout and balance" |
| 04:41.42 | Bounty | i made my whirlwind do a swirl of energy effect |
| 04:41.45 | Bounty | that follows his blade |
| 04:41.47 | Mephs | i made this one super move that looks like a star going supernova |
| 04:41.49 | Bounty | exactly as his spins |
| 04:41.51 | Jum-Jum | but i always end up detailing the hsit out of one tiny area :( |
| 04:42.09 | Mephs | yea i made a similar technique in the pull effect |
| 04:42.13 | Bounty | Sphere Shape mephs? |
| 04:42.16 | Mephs | no |
| 04:42.17 | Bounty | for the super nova |
| 04:42.19 | Mephs | yamato missiles :> |
| 04:42.22 | Bounty | lol |
| 04:42.25 | Mephs | and a wierd trajectory |
| 04:42.29 | Mephs | it looks fucking sick |
| 04:42.36 | Bounty | all my projectiles |
| 04:42.40 | Bounty | are Drones and Probes |
| 04:42.43 | Bounty | >< |
| 04:42.43 | Mephs | the projectiles dont even do anything |
| 04:42.48 | Lilianna | I turned the Yamato missles into siege tanks |
| 04:42.49 | Mephs | its just for effect |
| 04:42.50 | Lilianna | it was fun. xD |
| 04:42.52 | *** join/#sc2mapster spokes (spokes@cpe-24-210-145-68.woh.res.rr.com) |
| 04:43.02 | Mephs | but yamato missiles when stacked on each other make crazy looking things |
| 04:43.26 | Saeris | would you guys agree, that the way to make casual games competitive is to add achievements and stat tracking? |
| 04:43.35 | Mephs | you dont have to |
| 04:43.40 | Mephs | dota didn't track shit |
| 04:43.41 | Bounty | honestly |
| 04:43.45 | Saeris | dota isn't casual |
| 04:43.46 | Mephs | and its the most competitive UMS ever made in blizzard's games |
| 04:43.47 | Bounty | thats the method to make any game competitive |
| 04:43.50 | Bounty | but it usualy doesnt work |
| 04:43.54 | Mephs | it was a casual game. |
| 04:43.55 | Mephs | to start |
| 04:44.00 | Saeris | it's not now tho |
| 04:44.00 | Bounty | yeah |
| 04:44.04 | Saeris | so my point is |
| 04:44.08 | Mephs | it still has absolutely no stat tracking tho |
| 04:44.10 | Saeris | how do you take a CASUAL game, say |
| 04:44.12 | Bounty | thats like Super Stardust HD has achievements and leadboards |
| 04:44.16 | Saeris | robot unicorn attack level casual |
| 04:44.17 | Bounty | but its not competitive bc nobody gives a shit |
| 04:44.18 | Mephs | saeris: you could. thats one way to |
| 04:44.28 | Mephs | basically. |
| 04:44.43 | Jum-Jum | to make a game casual and comeptitve |
| 04:44.44 | Mephs | i'm probably going to add an ELO ranking system into my arena game |
| 04:44.51 | Mephs | but there needs to be a better UMS list before that happens |
| 04:44.53 | Jum-Jum | it needs to have a steep level of difficulty and depht |
| 04:44.56 | Mephs | cuz i want unranked/ranked to be seperate |
| 04:45.06 | Jum-Jum | easy to learn, hard to master |
| 04:45.08 | Jum-Jum | cliché |
| 04:45.09 | Jum-Jum | but it works |
| 04:45.21 | Mephs | dota isn't really hard to master |
| 04:45.22 | Jum-Jum | a lot of maps are overly complicated the first time you jump in on them |
| 04:45.22 | Mephs | there's just... |
| 04:45.24 | Mephs | too much shit |
| 04:45.26 | Saeris | so jum means something like... flOw |
| 04:45.34 | Saeris | hella simple, incredible depth, hard to master |
| 04:45.37 | Mephs | jum: i'd believe that if ppl could figure out my map |
| 04:45.47 | Mephs | but that seems too complicated |
| 04:45.51 | Mephs | and its hardly anything complicated at all |
| 04:46.03 | Mephs | you have 5 abilities, all bound to the same keys and ppl can't figure out what to do |
| 04:46.05 | Jum-Jum | introduction is very important (i know that i use to do media stuff lol) |
| 04:46.09 | Mephs | yea |
| 04:46.18 | Mephs | look at power level overwhelming i like what they did |
| 04:46.27 | Jum-Jum | I made this trailer for Savage 2 which I basically just added some epic trailer music and a bunch of explosiosn and big demons |
| 04:46.29 | Mephs | the loading screen basically tells you straight up what to do |
| 04:46.35 | Mephs | and when you die it shows a random tip |
| 04:46.47 | Saeris | yea |
| 04:46.54 | Jum-Jum | and people liked it and tried the game, the trailer itself was kinda 'edited' but it got people to play! and thats the point |
| 04:46.55 | Saeris | things like that help a lot |
| 04:46.57 | Mephs | so really to make a map successful for any length of time |
| 04:47.02 | Mephs | it needs direct instructions of some kind for new players |
| 04:47.02 | Saeris | but i still find most players refuse to read anything |
| 04:47.07 | Saeris | as was the case with golem wars |
| 04:47.08 | Mephs | and enough simplicity that everyone can get into it right away |
| 04:47.16 | Mephs | if you can mash buttons and get something done |
| 04:47.18 | Mephs | it's likely to work |
| 04:47.31 | Saeris | i had tutorials in the loading screen, in tips, in screen msgs, in tooltips |
| 04:47.34 | Saeris | no one got it |
| 04:47.35 | Mephs | well |
| 04:47.37 | Saeris | even with all that |
| 04:47.40 | Mephs | 90% of bnet is illiterate |
| 04:47.41 | Mephs | so keep that in mind |
| 04:47.45 | Saeris | exactly |
| 04:47.49 | RodOfNOD | u like? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12240115/Capture.JPG |
| 04:47.51 | Saeris | and people skip videos |
| 04:47.57 | Mephs | design like your'e making a game for autistic 4 yr olds |
| 04:48.01 | Bounty | mephs they can read |
| 04:48.05 | Bounty | u just have to color code it |
| 04:48.07 | Mephs | lol |
| 04:48.09 | Bounty | if u notice all my maps |
| 04:48.17 | Bounty | the loading screen is caps and colored |
| 04:48.17 | Saeris | yes rod i like |
| 04:48.19 | Bounty | for the controls |
| 04:48.23 | Bounty | bc thats all they see |
| 04:48.26 | Bounty | OOOH! GREEN! |
| 04:48.26 | RodOfNOD | cool |
| 04:48.29 | Mephs | mm |
| 04:48.29 | Bounty | n they read it |
| 04:48.31 | Jum-Jum | me rikey |
| 04:48.32 | Mephs | well if you looked at NWW |
| 04:48.35 | Mephs | at the start |
| 04:48.38 | Mephs | it basically runs it down |
| 04:48.42 | Mephs | here's a dude with a word over hish ead |
| 04:48.44 | Mephs | BOOM |
| 04:48.53 | Mephs | it only takes 10 sec to explain the entire game |
| 04:48.57 | Mephs | and then the rest ppl can figure out as they play more |
| 04:48.59 | Bounty | well there is not much to explain |
| 04:49.02 | Mephs | so idea is to hook them with simplicity |
| 04:49.05 | Mephs | and keep them with depth |
| 04:49.05 | Bounty | all he had to explain was the twist |
| 04:49.10 | Mephs | that too |
| 04:49.18 | Bounty | it was still nexus wars |
| 04:49.21 | Saeris | again this brings me back to 5 Minutes to ____ |
| 04:49.26 | Bounty | so everyone knew what to do |
| 04:49.26 | Bounty | in essence |
| 04:49.31 | Mephs | lot mroe fun than nexus wars and no lagging the map out in 5 sec |
| 04:49.37 | Mephs | tho if you ask me |
| 04:49.44 | Saeris | if the tutorial can be summed in 1 sentence, often people will get it |
| 04:49.50 | Saeris | especially if that sentence is the title |
| 04:49.53 | Mephs | thats why i am aiming for a hero arena |
| 04:49.54 | Mephs | there's no levelling |
| 04:49.55 | Mephs | no gear |
| 04:49.56 | Mephs | no items |
| 04:49.58 | Mephs | no upgrades |
| 04:50.00 | Bounty | yeah i enjoyed it but i only played it like 3 times and it got boring |
| 04:50.01 | Saeris | cuz they'll remember it whether they like it or not |
| 04:50.03 | Mephs | its like |
| 04:50.06 | Mephs | "yo kill the other team" |
| 04:50.09 | Mephs | "K" |
| 04:50.19 | Bounty | sounds like |
| 04:50.21 | Bounty | bounty hunters |
| 04:50.32 | Mephs | idk what bounty hunters is |
| 04:50.37 | Saeris | hero arena |
| 04:50.39 | Saeris | tf2 |
| 04:50.39 | Bounty | pretty much what u said |
| 04:50.44 | Saeris | just make a tf2 map =P |
| 04:50.45 | Mephs | its loosely based off this game called bloodline champions |
| 04:50.47 | Mephs | aimed abilities |
| 04:50.50 | Bounty | yeah |
| 04:50.52 | Mephs | a fury gauge |
| 04:50.55 | Bounty | thats what bounty hutners is |
| 04:50.56 | Mephs | that builds as you deal/take dmg |
| 04:50.57 | Bounty | only its one unit |
| 04:51.01 | Mephs | mm |
| 04:51.04 | Jum-Jum | blc was fun for awhile |
| 04:51.05 | Mephs | you pick from 4 classes of char |
| 04:51.12 | Mephs | and basically make a team composition |
| 04:51.16 | Jum-Jum | thats a good example of how a game is easy to learn, boring to master lol |
| 04:51.31 | Mephs | and i'm going to keep releasing new heroes |
| 04:51.33 | Mephs | but |
| 04:51.47 | Bounty | im just focusing on this one map until they fix pop system lol |
| 04:51.48 | Mephs | its basically designed to play short matches like a 2d fighter in aesthetic style |
| 04:52.01 | Mephs | i'm just doin this till i get my terrain back (which probably wont be another 56 months lol) |
| 04:52.05 | Bounty | btw i know this is random but |
| 04:52.13 | Bounty | is it just me or does blizz not give a shit about mp3's |
| 04:52.15 | Jum-Jum | what terrain Mephs? me want to see |
| 04:52.21 | Mephs | for the new l4death |
| 04:52.23 | Bounty | ppl yell at me when i have music in a map saying itll get banned |
| 04:52.30 | Mephs | oh |
| 04:52.33 | Bounty | but ive never seen a map get removed for it |
| 04:52.35 | Mephs | i ripped off every fucking sound fx from l4d |
| 04:52.35 | Jum-Jum | show meee |
| 04:52.39 | Mephs | and it's still not been taken down |
| 04:52.46 | Bounty | yeah |
| 04:52.51 | Saeris | bounty, don't upload copyrighted music, that's all |
| 04:52.54 | Mephs | i converted to ogg tho |
| 04:52.59 | Maknyuzz | they are more concerned about dykes |
| 04:53.00 | Bounty | Saeris |
| 04:53.02 | Mephs | and even lowest quality sounds fine |
| 04:53.03 | Bounty | it doesnt matter lol |
| 04:53.08 | Bounty | i think |
| 04:53.11 | Maknyuzz | they are dykes hunding |
| 04:53.13 | Jum-Jum | you know what makes me sad |
| 04:53.14 | Bounty | as long as ur not profiting from it |
| 04:53.15 | Saeris | blizz just hasn't gotten around to it bounty |
| 04:53.16 | Maknyuzz | hunting* |
| 04:53.17 | Bounty | u cant get in trble |
| 04:53.24 | Bounty | yeah but if ur not profiting from it |
| 04:53.25 | Jum-Jum | that this map got lost in a hdd crash |
| 04:53.25 | Jum-Jum | http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y9/Jum-Jum/Terrain001-1.jpg |
| 04:53.26 | Jum-Jum | :'( |
| 04:53.26 | Saeris | it's in the EULA and ToS not to use copyrighted works |
| 04:53.33 | Saeris | profit or no |
| 04:53.40 | Saeris | it's a bannable offense |
| 04:53.47 | Saeris | that's why people complain |
| 04:53.49 | Jum-Jum | I should remove the pictures from my photobucket album, looking at the screenshots just gives me grief and sorrow |
| 04:53.49 | Mephs | they give you enough notice usually |
| 04:53.54 | Saeris | mostly because they don't like your map |
| 04:53.58 | Saeris | but yea |
| 04:54.10 | Bounty | well |
| 04:54.11 | Saeris | that's what haters would use to get you banned |
| 04:54.14 | Saeris | best to just avoid it |
| 04:54.16 | Mephs | i've had ppl |
| 04:54.17 | Bounty | ive seen atleast 8 maps use l4d music |
| 04:54.19 | Mephs | join my map |
| 04:54.21 | Mephs | and go |
| 04:54.22 | Bounty | and they were all high up on pop list |
| 04:54.26 | Mephs | "this is just like l4d wtf" |
| 04:54.27 | Bounty | so blizz knew about them |
| 04:54.38 | Mephs | like joining a game called "left 4 death" with category "left 4 dead" didn't tip that off. |
| 04:54.43 | Bounty | lol |
| 04:55.01 | Saeris | people are retarded |
| 04:55.03 | Mephs | and some even got offended |
| 04:55.06 | Mephs | idgi |
| 04:55.07 | RodOfNOD | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12240115/Capture.JPG - better pic |
| 04:55.16 | Bounty | someone flipped shit on my ling ling rocket vieo |
| 04:55.19 | Mephs | its really not that much like l4d tho tahts what i want to kinda fix |
| 04:55.24 | Bounty | THIS MUSIC IS FUCKING RIPPED FROM ANOTHER GAME! |
| 04:55.27 | Bounty | THIS IS BULL!!! |
| 04:55.27 | Mephs | it was kind of this project |
| 04:55.30 | Bounty | tahts what he said |
| 04:55.30 | Mephs | my friend brought up |
| 04:55.32 | Jum-Jum | looks awesome RodOfNOD |
| 04:55.33 | Mephs | he's like lets make a zombie map |
| 04:55.35 | Mephs | i'm like |
| 04:55.37 | Mephs | "like l4d?" |
| 04:55.42 | Mephs | and then i started wondering if i could pull it off |
| 04:55.48 | Mephs | hence started the 3 months of hell :| |
| 04:55.56 | RodOfNOD | ty jumjum |
| 04:56.01 | Saeris | that sounds about right mephs |
| 04:56.02 | RodOfNOD | no new art iswhats great about that |
| 04:56.03 | RodOfNOD | :P |
| 04:56.06 | Mephs | but on the bright side |
| 04:56.11 | Saeris | it's kinda like |
| 04:56.11 | RodOfNOD | well except theicons and wireframe |
| 04:56.13 | Mephs | even if it didn't come out as good as i hoped, i learned a lot of DE stuff |
| 04:56.26 | Mephs | there's absolutely no way that game could be made in triggers |
| 04:56.26 | Jum-Jum | oh |
| 04:56.31 | Jum-Jum | whats it for RodOfNOD? |
| 04:56.31 | Saeris | how i said to my friends, hey, i wanna make footmen wars except with MtG slivers instead of heroes |
| 04:56.36 | RodOfNOD | sc1 mod |
| 04:56.41 | Saeris | thus my contest entry ate like... 300 hours of my life |
| 04:56.44 | Jum-Jum | didnt know you were a part of it |
| 04:56.44 | Bounty | i forgot to mention mephs |
| 04:56.50 | Bounty | the only reason i can do all my shit in triggers |
| 04:56.51 | Saeris | and it's still not nearly done |
| 04:56.55 | Bounty | is bc i dont use the RTS view |
| 04:56.56 | Bounty | lol |
| 04:56.58 | Mephs | yea |
| 04:57.09 | RodOfNOD | well im the data and trigger guy :P |
| 04:57.11 | Mephs | if you rip out the balls of the game you cna probably fit a horse up its ass |
| 04:57.28 | Bounty | no idea what that means |
| 04:57.28 | RodOfNOD | but i just didall that "art" hehe |
| 04:57.29 | FockeWulf | lol |
| 04:57.30 | Bounty | >< |
| 04:57.33 | FockeWulf | well the 3p system works |
| 04:57.34 | Saeris | one day i'll get back to work on hybrid swarm, but for now it's still exhausted me too much |
| 04:57.38 | FockeWulf | finally... |
| 04:57.51 | FockeWulf | not the prettiest thing and im gonna tear it appart but at least it works |
| 04:57.54 | RodOfNOD | congrats |
| 04:57.54 | Mephs | i just like the DE cuz it seems more organized and clean than dealing with trigger errors |
| 04:57.58 | Saeris | and likely would end up too laggy to play |
| 04:58.04 | FockeWulf | well |
| 04:58.07 | Bounty | i dont have issues with trigger errors but |
| 04:58.08 | FockeWulf | tested it |
| 04:58.08 | Mephs | thats really it, and more control over native functions |
| 04:58.10 | Bounty | ill tell u this |
| 04:58.12 | FockeWulf | with some clam m8's |
| 04:58.14 | Bounty | i have to make ALOT of folders lol |
| 04:58.19 | Mephs | yea same |
| 04:58.20 | FockeWulf | and its pretty good soo far |
| 04:58.22 | Saeris | same |
| 04:58.24 | FockeWulf | and theres a lot of shit on the map |
| 04:58.26 | Mephs | if you write advanced mechanics you start getting some errors |
| 04:58.29 | Saeris | soooo many folders and variables |
| 04:58.30 | Mephs | not often but they pop up |
| 04:58.46 | Bounty | i already have 1.2 mb in triggers :( |
| 04:58.49 | Saeris | hybrid swarm has like.... 20 core triggers, 10 of them setup |
| 04:58.50 | Bounty | and im only like 5% done |
| 04:58.51 | Mephs | and they're bulky... |
| 04:58.55 | Mephs | forgot to mention that |
| 04:58.57 | Saeris | the rest is all variables |
| 04:59.00 | Saeris | for stat tracking |
| 04:59.01 | Saeris | and shit |
| 04:59.05 | Mephs | the 4 heroes and abilities |
| 04:59.10 | Mephs | i've added about 226 fields to the editor |
| 04:59.16 | FockeWulf | lol |
| 04:59.17 | Mephs | and only gaineda bout 112kb |
| 04:59.32 | Bounty | yeah triggers take up alot of space lol |
| 04:59.34 | Mephs | 226 effects, behaviors, actors, units |
| 04:59.37 | Mephs | to make 4 heroes |
| 04:59.39 | Saeris | hell, temple tower defense, also WIP, i only have 5 core triggers |
| 04:59.39 | Mephs | :S |
| 04:59.44 | Saeris | about 100 variables |
| 04:59.50 | Mephs | and even then |
| 04:59.56 | Mephs | i still parallel triggers to get even better effects |
| 04:59.58 | Saeris | most of them arrays too |
| 05:00.05 | FockeWulf | lol |
| 05:00.13 | FockeWulf | well, at least this proves the concept |
| 05:00.21 | Jum-Jum | I just dont have the patience to work on something that much |
| 05:00.31 | Mephs | this has been over the course of a few weeks |
| 05:00.40 | Saeris | i should open hybrid swarm and see the numbers from the overview manager |
| 05:00.43 | Mephs | and probaly doens't help that i spent more time playing ladder than editing lol |
| 05:00.58 | Bounty | i dont even want to look at my numbers |
| 05:01.08 | Saeris | i changed and added so many values in data for that map |
| 05:01.11 | Mephs | dont look at this project vortex |
| 05:01.12 | Mephs | thing |
| 05:01.13 | Saeris | like, god damn |
| 05:01.15 | Mephs | that'll boggle your mind |
| 05:01.18 | Mephs | how big that map must be |
| 05:01.26 | Bounty | lol yeah |
| 05:01.33 | Bounty | the only thing i am curious of |
| 05:01.36 | Bounty | is that lighting |
| 05:01.46 | Bounty | i already figured out the personal skybox thing |
| 05:01.46 | Mephs | yea TKC is also working on the terrain for that i believe |
| 05:01.54 | Mephs | i was surprised he wanted to take on my project lol |
| 05:02.01 | Bounty | which is good bc now i dont need 20k farclip on my maps :) |
| 05:02.09 | Bounty | just make a unit with a skybox model that only that player can see |
| 05:02.11 | Bounty | boom |
| 05:02.12 | Bounty | skybox |
| 05:02.14 | Mephs | yea |
| 05:02.22 | Mephs | if you want a really cool effect |
| 05:02.24 | Mephs | hide all terrain |
| 05:02.31 | Mephs | play Zeratul skybox at 499% |
| 05:02.31 | Bounty | water? |
| 05:02.32 | Mephs | speed |
| 05:02.38 | Mephs | looks pretty epic |
| 05:02.41 | Bounty | lol |
| 05:02.43 | Mephs | i'm gonna use that for super move finishers |
| 05:02.50 | Mephs | the terrain disappears and it looks like SF4 super finish |
| 05:02.54 | Mephs | kinda |
| 05:03.43 | Mephs | the only thing i dont like is you can't flip the skybox upside down |
| 05:03.46 | Mephs | cuz you see this big tear line |
| 05:04.03 | Bounty | gay |
| 05:04.11 | Mephs | its not game breaking |
| 05:04.12 | Mephs | just annoying |
| 05:04.21 | Mephs | for every 1000 cool things youc an do in the editor |
| 05:04.28 | Mephs | you find one naggy thing about all of them that makes it not worth it |
| 05:04.40 | Saeris | i'd actually say |
| 05:04.53 | Saeris | everything in the editor has at least 1 thing about it that will piss you off |
| 05:04.57 | Mephs | yea. |
| 05:04.58 | Mephs | basically |
| 05:05.03 | Mephs | the fucker teases you sometimes |
| 05:05.05 | Bounty | one thing i hate is how restrictive it is to call up a unit type |
| 05:05.07 | Bounty | like |
| 05:05.09 | Mephs | you're like WHOA THATS AWESOME CAN I DO ______ |
| 05:05.10 | Bounty | i should be able to say |
| 05:05.13 | Mephs | then its like nope |
| 05:05.15 | Mephs | ha, ha. |
| 05:05.18 | Bounty | If Unit types enters distance of Unit type |
| 05:05.19 | Bounty | but no |
| 05:05.36 | Mephs | same annoying thing you can't use record variables as parameters |
| 05:05.51 | Mephs | or even returns |
| 05:05.54 | Saeris | okay |
| 05:05.57 | Maknyuzz | we all can sue blizzard |
| 05:06.05 | Maknyuzz | for empty promises |
| 05:06.09 | Mephs | well |
| 05:06.13 | Mephs | they didn't promise anything |
| 05:06.15 | Mephs | they just said |
| 05:06.16 | Maknyuzz | and for making our life as mappers miserable |
| 05:06.20 | Mephs | hey you can make a TPS. they didn't say it'd be good |
| 05:06.26 | Maknyuzz | they promise marketplace |
| 05:06.36 | Mephs | its not going to be out for a while, they didn't give an exact time |
| 05:06.42 | Mephs | basically consider |
| 05:06.44 | Maknyuzz | but u can always sue |
| 05:06.49 | Maknyuzz | and hoping to win |
| 05:06.53 | Mephs | i wouldn't expect to win. |
| 05:06.56 | onetwo | not with grammar like that |
| 05:06.58 | Mephs | it'll cost you a lot of money to hire an attorney |
| 05:07.00 | Saeris | Tiggers for Hybrid Swarm: 1,072 Actions, 166 Conditions, 61 Events, 29 Folders, 12 Functions, 1,350 Function Calls, 11 Parameters, 42 Triggers, 210 Variables |
| 05:07.05 | Mephs | and probaly just to lose |
| 05:07.10 | Mephs | in any case |
| 05:07.18 | Maknyuzz | u can represent yourself cant you? |
| 05:07.18 | Mephs | the editor was made so the designers could make campaign levels and melee maps |
| 05:07.23 | Mephs | GOOD LUCK WITH THAT MAK |
| 05:07.33 | Maknyuzz | lolz |
| 05:07.33 | Mephs | you're up against a company which considers an attorney chump change |
| 05:07.38 | Maknyuzz | im just saying |
| 05:07.43 | Mephs | you wont win |
| 05:07.47 | Mephs | is all i'm saying |
| 05:07.50 | Maknyuzz | yea i know |
| 05:07.54 | Maknyuzz | thats a joke |
| 05:07.59 | Mephs | cuz they didn't sign a contractual agreement that they have to deliver their promises by X date |
| 05:08.03 | Saeris | Game Data: 24 Abilities, 98 Actors, 98 Behaviors, 200 Buttons, 290 Effects, 93 Models, 3 Races, 7 Requirement Nodes, 5 Requirements, 1 Texture Sets, 246 Units, 17 Upgrades, 1 Validators, 69 Weapons |
| 05:08.08 | Mephs | they can just say "its in the works" |
| 05:08.10 | Mephs | you lose the case |
| 05:08.16 | Maknyuzz | u guys remember a guy suing blizzard for making WoW too hard |
| 05:08.18 | onetwo | i love how were discussing this |
| 05:08.21 | Mephs | lol. |
| 05:08.23 | Mephs | anyway |
| 05:08.35 | Mephs | like i said the editor is just a tool for making STARCRAFT content |
| 05:08.40 | Mephs | its not a full game engine |
| 05:08.45 | Maknyuzz | lolz |
| 05:08.48 | onetwo | must be so annoying being a company and have to deal with people sueing because coffee is too hot or bs like that |
| 05:08.52 | Mephs | much like most developers make a tool to make content design easier |
| 05:09.03 | Maknyuzz | yea true |
| 05:09.05 | Mephs | i used LUA for my old tactics game i was working on |
| 05:09.09 | Maknyuzz | u can sue for coffee too hot |
| 05:09.12 | Mephs | and a C# app to edit maps |
| 05:09.15 | Maknyuzz | or WoW too difficult |
| 05:09.21 | Mephs | thats because coffee too hot = medical bill |
| 05:09.25 | Mephs | WoW being too difficult = qq more noob |
| 05:09.38 | Mephs | still dumb reasons to open a lawsuit |
| 05:09.44 | Mephs | but at least the coffee thing had its chance to win |
| 05:09.51 | Maknyuzz | yea |
| 05:09.55 | Mephs | cuz it did physical harm to some retard who can't find their opposable thumb |
| 05:10.00 | Maknyuzz | lolz |
| 05:10.05 | Saeris | i'm gonna sue blizzard for the psychological trauma i experienced from the difficulty of their game |
| 05:10.12 | Maknyuzz | exactly |
| 05:10.15 | Mephs | i'm gonna sue blizzard because terrans are OP |
| 05:10.17 | Maknyuzz | thats psychological |
| 05:10.19 | Maknyuzz | huahua |
| 05:10.21 | Maknyuzz | terran OP |
| 05:10.22 | Mephs | i can't sleep at night |
| 05:10.24 | Maknyuzz | nerf terran obama |
| 05:10.28 | Mephs | because terrans A-move me to death |
| 05:10.31 | Mephs | in my nightmares |
| 05:10.48 | Saeris | lol... so |
| 05:11.21 | Saeris | Placed Objects: 47 Camera, 4,913 Doodads, 6 Object Groups, 96 Points, 643 Units |
| 05:11.31 | Saeris | soooo many doodads |
| 05:11.40 | Mephs | actually i was wrong |
| 05:11.45 | Mephs | game data 280kb |
| 05:11.59 | Mephs | 543 kb in triggers |
| 05:12.03 | Mephs | and i dont have many |
| 05:12.11 | Saeris | 1.77mb triggers for me |
| 05:12.17 | Mephs | so 220 some fields of data = 280kb |
| 05:12.36 | Mephs | 38 triggers = 543 kb |
| 05:12.37 | Mephs | lols |
| 05:12.50 | RodOfNOD | try removing all ur gui triggers P |
| 05:13.00 | Mephs | eh? |
| 05:13.08 | Mephs | i am not using a UI trigger yet |
| 05:13.12 | Mephs | this is on my new map |
| 05:13.12 | Saeris | i have 133 versions of my game data |
| 05:13.23 | Mephs | and sound assets 2.23 mb |
| 05:13.24 | Mephs | lol |
| 05:13.25 | Saeris | saved my map sooooo many times |
| 05:13.27 | Mephs | for 1 music track |
| 05:13.31 | Mephs | and some edited sound files |
| 05:13.34 | Mephs | to get better looping |
| 05:13.44 | Mephs | they want to promote custom content |
| 05:13.47 | Mephs | and they give you a 10mb limit |
| 05:13.52 | Mephs | 1 3d model can easily eat up a few mb |
| 05:13.55 | Mephs | so thats out |
| 05:14.03 | Mephs | custom sound, can quickly eat up a good chunk of kbs |
| 05:14.08 | Mephs | custom gfx same boat |
| 05:14.16 | Mephs | so where's the room for custom contents again? >_> |
| 05:14.36 | Saeris | let's see about temple tower defense.... i worked on that after hybrid swarm |
| 05:14.37 | Mephs | l4death was almost 9mb |
| 05:14.43 | Saeris | so i shoulda optimized my triggers a lot |
| 05:14.44 | Mephs | and all i had was 10 custom broadcast sounsd |
| 05:14.53 | Mephs | a few sound spits from the real game |
| 05:14.58 | Mephs | and some custom UI that was heavily compressed |
| 05:15.06 | Mephs | and that was 9mb |
| 05:15.07 | Saeris | like, nearly all my triggers set up stat tracking and display |
| 05:15.22 | Saeris | only 2-3 actually change the values of variables |
| 05:15.35 | Saeris | and only like, 1 handles win/lose |
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| 05:16.17 | Saeris | yea, 570kb for temple defense |
| 05:16.21 | Saeris | for triggers |
| 05:16.32 | progammer | i'm backkk |
| 05:16.39 | Saeris | welcome back |
| 05:17.00 | progammer | miss a whole week of doing random crap with the editor :( |
| 05:17.11 | ekcolnovkol | :U |
| 05:17.13 | ekcolnovkol | U: |
| 05:17.23 | ekcolnovkol | punts you in the nutz |
| 05:17.34 | ekcolnovkol | :ooo |
| 05:17.42 | Mephs | ekc momma gay |
| 05:17.43 | progammer | so ecko hows the blizz thing going |
| 05:18.15 | ekcolnovkol | um |
| 05:18.23 | ekcolnovkol | you'll find out soon :o |
| 05:18.37 | ekcolnovkol | but, looks very promising |
| 05:19.50 | progammer | though a lot of ppl hate you, if you are to beat icefrog, please try your best |
| 05:19.59 | ekcolnovkol | q _q" |
| 05:20.00 | Saeris | zZz where's sixen at |
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| 05:20.53 | Maknyuzz | will pixar release anything this year? |
| 05:21.10 | mahashiro | they released despicable me |
| 05:21.12 | mahashiro | I think |
| 05:21.16 | Maknyuzz | not pixar |
| 05:21.21 | mahashiro | oh ok |
| 05:21.36 | Maknyuzz | 2008 KungFu panda beats pixar wall e imo |
| 05:21.46 | Saeris | pixar = toy story 3 right? |
| 05:21.48 | progammer | toy story 3 is not pixar ? |
| 05:21.53 | Maknyuzz | oh yea |
| 05:22.01 | Maknyuzz | dreamworks release 3 this year |
| 05:22.05 | Maknyuzz | dragon, shrek and megamind |
| 05:22.06 | Saeris | Up > the rest of those |
| 05:22.34 | Maknyuzz | dragon is so good |
| 05:22.45 | Maknyuzz | better than toy story imo |
| 05:22.47 | progammer | anything tagged with 3d is ignored |
| 05:23.17 | Sixen | dead. |
| 05:23.20 | Sixen | what sup |
| 05:23.35 | Maknyuzz | kung fu panda on FX now |
| 05:23.38 | Saeris | any word on the next contest/community even? |
| 05:23.40 | Maknyuzz | man this is so good |
| 05:23.49 | Sixen | Ah, i'll talk to vjeux about it this weeked |
| 05:23.54 | Sixen | get something up mondayish |
| 05:24.10 | Saeris | aight, well i ask cuz i wanted to talk about one with you |
| 05:24.27 | Mephs | lol valve is going to win this game |
| 05:24.28 | progammer | Sixen: someone request for another spell contest |
| 05:24.31 | Sixen | hmm |
| 05:24.40 | Mephs | w/e it is. |
| 05:24.53 | progammer | which is promising |
| 05:24.55 | Mephs | i'm still probably rather play HON than blizzard dota |
| 05:25.28 | Saeris | as i was talking about here earlier, i think it would be neat to do a 5 Minutes to Kill Yourself community made map, much like that community terraining project we had a while back |
| 05:26.00 | Saeris | just have people do bits and pieces of work to it, be it terrain, a way to kill yourself, etc |
| 05:26.27 | Saeris | triggers are dead simple, after 5 mins, check how many player "heroes' are still alive |
| 05:26.36 | onetwo | blizzard dota will be great for skills and models |
| 05:26.38 | Saeris | last alive wins, if more than 1, all lose |
| 05:26.39 | onetwo | etc |
| 05:26.40 | onetwo | to copy |
| 05:27.06 | Saeris | exactly 12 |
| 05:27.21 | Saeris | can give a shit less about playing it, i want the assets, lol |
| 05:27.44 | Saeris | progammer you could use them to facelift chesscraft =P |
| 05:27.46 | Sixen | hmm |
| 05:28.08 | onetwo | and maybe get a facelift yourself on the way |
| 05:28.10 | onetwo | BURNNNNNNNNNN |
| 05:28.23 | onetwo | will my bad jokes ever stop? |
| 05:28.26 | ShadowTaisho | hey all |
| 05:28.30 | onetwo | nope, like rosie o donnel im annoying and here to stay |
| 05:29.14 | ekcolnovkol | :u |
| 05:29.23 | Sixen | nebr, one2. |
| 05:29.26 | Sixen | 1two |
| 05:29.27 | onetwo | lol |
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| 05:31.18 | Mephs | fuck being courteous |
| 05:31.29 | Mephs | i just say grrgghghbll in games now |
| 05:31.51 | onetwo | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQWBVI2X-_E im making a sex map thatll have this song playing |
| 05:32.02 | onetwo | the goal is to repopulate korhal |
| 05:32.19 | onetwo | ! |
| 05:35.12 | onetwo | im guessing ill get it banned |
| 05:35.12 | onetwo | lol |
| 05:35.19 | onetwo | we need like an adults map section |
| 05:35.20 | onetwo | insane gore |
| 05:35.23 | onetwo | etc |
| 05:35.35 | onetwo | bunch of guys in trench coats playing it |
| 05:35.40 | progammer | you need my movie player for some porn ? |
| 05:35.48 | onetwo | rofl |
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| 05:40.27 | Mephs | lol |
| 05:40.37 | Mephs | play zerg in ladder |
| 05:40.47 | Mephs | its pretty much the same idea onetwo |
| 05:40.50 | Mephs | only asexually |
| 05:41.01 | onetwo | lol |
| 05:41.08 | onetwo | spine crawlers attacking spore crawlers |
| 05:41.10 | onetwo | that video rocks |
| 05:41.11 | Mephs | haha |
| 05:41.27 | onetwo | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dsITX1H3kI |
| 05:41.28 | onetwo | remmeber that |
| 05:41.39 | onetwo | the bnet thread that it was posted on got deleted |
| 05:41.40 | onetwo | hahahaha |
| 05:42.10 | Sixen | looooooool I remembe that |
| 05:43.31 | onetwo | lol |
| 05:46.51 | progammer_ | lol thats too obvious |
| 05:47.06 | onetwo | man the set design |
| 05:47.08 | onetwo | in 28 days later |
| 05:47.10 | onetwo | in the house at the end |
| 05:47.12 | onetwo | is amazing |
| 05:48.29 | onetwo | uh wtf |
| 05:48.29 | onetwo | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/data/13660-d-ref-in-tooltips/ |
| 05:48.33 | onetwo | im reading through this |
| 05:48.35 | onetwo | he talks to himself |
| 05:48.37 | onetwo | this is odd |
| 05:50.41 | progammer_ | totally not odd |
| 05:51.02 | progammer_ | actuallt its even |
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| 05:52.05 | Demalii | yes i can finally log into |
| 05:52.07 | Demalii | irc |
| 05:53.14 | Mephs | i dont get why i get matched up vs ppl in platinum |
| 05:53.18 | Mephs | when i'm r5 in diamond |
| 05:53.25 | Mephs | after winning a lot,e ven |
| 05:55.47 | Saeris | okay |
| 05:55.52 | progammer_ | diamond league = meaningless |
| 05:55.53 | Saeris | now that i'm done with that |
| 05:56.07 | Saeris | sixen, any thoughts on what i had to say earlier? |
| 05:56.22 | Saeris | if not that's fine, i understand it would be hard to coordinate |
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| 05:57.20 | Sixen | what, saeris? |
| 05:57.42 | progammer_ | Saeris: yeah that bits and bits thing is not suitable for a contest |
| 05:58.00 | Saeris | not really a contest, community event |
| 05:58.23 | Saeris | would be good to encourage people to work together than compete against each other |
| 05:58.32 | Saeris | for a change |
| 05:58.58 | progammer_ | guess would be like the joint terrain excercise unless you mean other aspect as well ? |
| 05:59.09 | Saeris | yea kinda like that |
| 05:59.16 | Saeris | i mean, part 1 could be terrain |
| 05:59.34 | Saeris | part 2 could be data/trigger chunks, or rather, A way to Kill Yourself/Others |
| 06:00.49 | progammer_ | what does a way to kill yourself mean ? also what kind of map would that be ? |
| 06:00.52 | Saeris | combined, you have a fairly large map, random spawn locations, ways to kill players placed throughout, and your objective is to eliminate players using the powerups/traps/etc as fast as you can |
| 06:01.24 | Saeris | well the idea comes from 5 minutes to kill yourself, it's a flash game where you're in an office and you go find different ways to kill yourself |
| 06:01.48 | Saeris | like.... tie in a paper shredder, head in the copying machine, random stuff |
| 06:02.19 | Saeris | the big difference being, instead of just doing it to yourself, you can use the terrain.items, etc to trigger traps on other players |
| 06:02.44 | Saeris | and every time you enter the game, you start somewhere different |
| 06:02.54 | Saeris | so, it never really plays the same way twice |
| 06:03.01 | Saeris | and you can't possibly do it all in one run |
| 06:03.35 | Saeris | i figure it's a simple enough concept that many people could contribute to it |
| 06:03.41 | Maknyuzz | mephs |
| 06:03.46 | Maknyuzz | u should compete in dallas |
| 06:03.50 | Maknyuzz | what r u doing here? |
| 06:05.04 | Saeris | so yea... the map has a time limit of 5 minutes, after that the last person alive wins, if more than 1 player is left, they lose |
| 06:05.11 | Saeris | it sounds kinda stupid |
| 06:05.11 | onetwo | oh man... still going through 35 abils x 10 levels per abil of linking tooltips to actual data values |
| 06:05.21 | Saeris | but it's the kinda stupid that players would play over and over again |
| 06:05.29 | Saeris | and presents a lot of neat things to do |
| 06:05.46 | progammer_ | it sounds like good idea |
| 06:07.07 | Saeris | if say this were used as a community event |
| 06:07.26 | Saeris | i'd say part 1, take up to 2 weeks to develop terrain |
| 06:07.27 | Demalii | hey guys.. I've noticed a couple of my animations play normal, when the unit (using the ability) is facing down (south). when it turns a little or in any other direction, the animation blasts in the direction of the unit, causing the animation to look like a shotgun blast |
| 06:07.33 | Demalii | any ideas on that ^ |
| 06:07.39 | Saeris | limit people to doing small chunks, like the JTE |
| 06:08.18 | Saeris | after that, have people download the map for part 2 to look for places to build traps and lay down powerups, etc |
| 06:08.40 | Saeris | and give them a similar limit to create a new asset for the game |
| 06:08.51 | onetwo | man i love when i find a field that has a tooltip from blizz |
| 06:08.54 | onetwo | helps explain so much |
| 06:09.00 | Demalii | LOL!! |
| 06:09.01 | onetwo | like vital regen bonus is exact amount hp gained per second |
| 06:09.26 | Saeris | the rest of the work really involves combining them all together in one map, adding in the spawn points, and adding in the basic win/lose and spawn functions |
| 06:09.44 | Demalii | say onetwo: if you read my problem and have any ideas that'd be awesome |
| 06:09.55 | Saeris | you could go so far after that as to have a part 3, achievements |
| 06:10.00 | onetwo | no idea |
| 06:10.02 | onetwo | never heard of that :O |
| 06:10.05 | Saeris | and have people come up with criteria for banks based achievements |
| 06:10.08 | Saeris | and stat tracking |
| 06:10.09 | Demalii | man i'm baffled |
| 06:10.12 | progammer_ | Saeris: data can have multiple thing though, but the trigger bat really prone to conflict if multiple people works on it |
| 06:10.14 | Saeris | for added replayability |
| 06:10.45 | progammer_ | beside if you dont work on part of it, you are not participateing in any way |
| 06:11.32 | Saeris | yea triggers would be difficult to regulate |
| 06:12.31 | Saeris | and as for that last msg, don't quite get what you mean |
| 06:14.46 | progammer_ | that most ppl wont be participating |
| 06:15.15 | progammer_ | just sit there and wait to play |
| 06:15.41 | Saeris | could be true |
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| 06:16.00 | Saeris | but wasn't that the same with the JTE? |
| 06:16.07 | Saeris | most people just wanted to see the result |
| 06:16.17 | Saeris | but more people participated than expected |
| 06:17.45 | Maknyuzz | progammer |
| 06:17.49 | Maknyuzz | please help me |
| 06:17.59 | Maknyuzz | i want to create unit |
| 06:18.12 | Maknyuzz | named "marine riding hellion" |
| 06:18.24 | Maknyuzz | with model: marine on top hellopn |
| 06:18.29 | Maknyuzz | any quick way of doing it? |
| 06:18.38 | progammer_ | quickest, create the helion |
| 06:18.52 | progammer_ | use trigger to attach a marine actor on head of helion |
| 06:18.59 | Maknyuzz | fantastic |
| 06:19.05 | Maknyuzz | didnt think of that |
| 06:19.15 | progammer_ | it will die together |
| 06:19.25 | FockeWulf | Question, is there any way at all that I can sort of the trick the game into not locking the camera rotate when the camera is being panned? |
| 06:19.28 | progammer_ | and take almost all property from heloin |
| 06:19.49 | progammer_ | FockeWulf: like you can Insert rotate and still pan ? |
| 06:20.14 | progammer_ | mess with the data editor default cam object, you might find smt there |
| 06:21.02 | onetwo | anyone good with tooltip references? |
| 06:21.13 | onetwo | im trying to reference the vital regen bonus in a buff behavior |
| 06:21.14 | onetwo | <d ref="Behavior,MeditationLevel1,Modification.VitalRegenArray[0]"/> |
| 06:21.27 | onetwo | anyone know how to structure the syntax |
| 06:21.57 | Saeris | beyond me |
| 06:22.03 | Saeris | anyways |
| 06:22.10 | Saeris | i think it's time for some new vegas |
| 06:22.24 | Saeris | afk for now i guess |
| 06:23.01 | FockeWulf | ya |
| 06:23.06 | progammer_ | onetwo: not intrested, though i remembered a thread with s3rius helping someone refering the same mana regen |
| 06:23.14 | FockeWulf | the issue is the pan functin lockis up the camera rotate |
| 06:23.30 | progammer_ | pan trigger function ? |
| 06:23.37 | progammer_ | how about apply camera target ? |
| 06:24.03 | FockeWulf | well apply cam target also pan the camera? |
| 06:24.07 | FockeWulf | this is 3p movement |
| 06:24.14 | FockeWulf | and ive tested it multiplayer |
| 06:24.17 | FockeWulf | and it works |
| 06:24.21 | FockeWulf | just that its very bumpy |
| 06:24.33 | FockeWulf | but not because of network issues, more of how i triggered it |
| 06:25.08 | FockeWulf | one of the issues is the cam mouse rotate locks up |
| 06:25.24 | FockeWulf | and its not cause of network lag, cause when it happens during solo mode |
| 06:25.27 | FockeWulf | and its not graphicly |
| 06:25.30 | FockeWulf | graphical* |
| 06:25.51 | FockeWulf | it seems that the camera pan function does not... oh i guess release the camera so the mouse can rotate it |
| 06:26.13 | FockeWulf | does camera target keep the camera object behind the unit? |
| 06:29.27 | Demalii | ok, the video sucks, but you can see the full blast when unit is facing down, when is opposite the blast isn't.. normal http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uld3HqKVKDw |
| 06:34.01 | FockeWulf | hey what is the model camera for? |
| 06:34.06 | FockeWulf | for portrates? |
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| 06:35.56 | progammer | lol how your video name model shot links to related vids |
| 06:36.30 | FockeWulf | hey progammer how would it be coded |
| 06:36.45 | Maknyuzz | progammer |
| 06:36.57 | Maknyuzz | why dont u make tug of war game |
| 06:37.07 | Maknyuzz | i think thats what people want |
| 06:37.40 | Demalii | yea programmer i noticed that lol |
| 06:38.02 | progammer | FockeWulf: i have no experience with tps cam |
| 06:38.18 | progammer | Maknyuzz: what kind of nexus wars ? i totally sucks when go with balancing |
| 06:38.21 | onetwo | additional generic progammer question |
| 06:38.35 | progammer | rawr |
| 06:38.52 | Mephs | progammer: its meaningless unless you're in it? :p |
| 06:39.01 | Demalii | programmer you have any ideas to get the model to blast normal from the hero unit like an aoe blast? |
| 06:39.25 | progammer | Demalii: not sure what you want for aoe blast |
| 06:39.38 | Demalii | well, I'm using say.. an explosion |
| 06:39.44 | FockeWulf | i got one of imisu's maps i was helping him with |
| 06:39.44 | Demalii | typically it's a circular blast |
| 06:39.50 | FockeWulf | it just needs heros and balancing |
| 06:39.50 | Demalii | that could be used as an "aoe" effect |
| 06:40.11 | Demalii | so hero unit uses "kill all", and uses the explosion blast |
| 06:40.22 | Demalii | so in an aoe type effect, the model matches |
| 06:40.46 | onetwo | programmer you have any way to make it so i can finish my map in like 10 mins |
| 06:40.48 | Demalii | as the video shows, only when the unit is facing down.. the model plays normally, but any other direction, the model acts as if there's a target, it's "animating" towards |
| 06:40.49 | onetwo | instead of 10 months |
| 06:41.20 | FockeWulf | what map you working on? |
| 06:41.24 | FockeWulf | i need a map project :) |
| 06:41.38 | onetwo | my rpg |
| 06:41.48 | FockeWulf | whats the rpg about? |
| 06:42.37 | onetwo | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9EjKxuqBZ8 |
| 06:42.42 | onetwo | that should sum it up for ya |
| 06:42.42 | onetwo | :D |
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| 06:43.24 | FockeWulf | dude i could of sworn ive heard your voice before |
| 06:43.31 | onetwo | probably |
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| 06:46.10 | FockeWulf | hmm |
| 06:46.12 | FockeWulf | you need items? |
| 06:46.18 | onetwo | lots lol |
| 06:46.18 | FockeWulf | and models? |
| 06:46.32 | onetwo | well i dont REALLY need anything from outside the editor at this point |
| 06:46.37 | onetwo | i need to make like 50-100 items |
| 06:46.42 | onetwo | data editor :( |
| 06:46.55 | FockeWulf | items are not very hard |
| 06:47.02 | FockeWulf | although i haven't tried to do all of em yet |
| 06:47.13 | onetwo | lol |
| 06:47.20 | FockeWulf | in most causes all you gotta do is make it apply a buff >.> |
| 06:47.41 | FockeWulf | For infestation sensation i got one that reduces damage by 5% |
| 06:48.06 | FockeWulf | ones with charges.... |
| 06:48.11 | FockeWulf | well i got it to work |
| 06:48.14 | FockeWulf | but if i rebuy the item |
| 06:48.20 | FockeWulf | the charge is still gone |
| 06:48.27 | FockeWulf | which doesn't make any sense >.> |
| 06:48.30 | onetwo | lol |
| 06:48.45 | FockeWulf | but as far as armor and stuff like that |
| 06:48.50 | FockeWulf | weapon items |
| 06:48.52 | FockeWulf | ya i can do those |
| 06:49.14 | FockeWulf | wait wait i think i know why it doesn't work |
| 06:49.25 | FockeWulf | stupid i gott make it so i can stack the buff >.> |
| 06:49.31 | FockeWulf | its a +300 xp item |
| 06:49.53 | FockeWulf | anywhoo |
| 06:49.56 | FockeWulf | you want some help with it? |
| 06:50.06 | onetwo | ill see |
| 06:50.12 | onetwo | i havent fully decided on everything yet |
| 06:50.22 | onetwo | aka |
| 06:50.28 | onetwo | dont want to waste time making stuff |
| 06:50.30 | onetwo | yet |
| 06:50.36 | onetwo | i might change item system |
| 06:51.12 | FockeWulf | well you got either data editor method or trigger i think |
| 06:51.27 | FockeWulf | and data editor doesn't cause near as much lag |
| 06:51.58 | onetwo | true |
| 06:52.19 | FockeWulf | part of why i made it so on my 3p movement its only one trigger for everything |
| 06:52.26 | FockeWulf | it just fires at start and keeps running |
| 06:53.02 | FockeWulf | lol if you wanted to you could make items that would improve abilities |
| 06:53.12 | FockeWulf | i just ran across your "talent tree" statement |
| 06:53.56 | FockeWulf | one of the stupid parts is there are not enough item models |
| 06:54.09 | FockeWulf | like if you find a sniper rifle on the ground |
| 06:54.16 | FockeWulf | it ought to look like a sniper rifle |
| 06:54.51 | FockeWulf | you haven't figured out + healing? |
| 06:54.56 | FockeWulf | theres a medkit item |
| 06:55.45 | FockeWulf | ah well let me know ok? |
| 06:56.00 | onetwo | oh i have +healing |
| 06:56.10 | onetwo | but there isnt a way to do items that add to healing |
| 06:57.13 | onetwo | like with damage we can add to + ranged damage for instance |
| 06:57.19 | onetwo | so items can boost your weapoin dmg AND spells |
| 06:57.24 | onetwo | if that spell does ranged damage |
| 06:57.24 | onetwo | etc |
| 06:59.07 | Mephs | lol |
| 06:59.09 | Mephs | marines are so fucking broken |
| 06:59.15 | Mephs | this guy |
| 06:59.18 | Mephs | nothing but marines |
| 06:59.20 | Mephs | and medvacs literally |
| 06:59.22 | Mephs | stomped 3x the roaches |
| 06:59.24 | Exso | is there anyway to change the scale of an image in dialogs or do i have to export and manually resize them? |
| 07:12.42 | Exso | nm worked it out |
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| 07:17.07 | onetwo | lol pretty funny |
| 07:17.31 | onetwo | <d ref="2 *(Behavior,Damage33,Modification.DamageDealtUnscaled[0])"/> WORKS |
| 07:17.41 | onetwo | <d ref="2*(Behavior,Damage33,Modification.DamageDealtUnscaled[0])"/> doesnt |
| 07:18.22 | Arthas- | Mephs l2p! |
| 07:18.30 | Arthas- | I <3 zerg tears |
| 07:18.44 | Mephs | lemme guess |
| 07:18.47 | Mephs | you play terran |
| 07:18.49 | Mephs | you think mutas are op |
| 07:18.53 | Mephs | and you're r80 bronze |
| 07:18.55 | Arthas- | Nah, I used to. Swapped to toss |
| 07:19.00 | Arthas- | im diamond :p |
| 07:19.03 | Arthas- | i think |
| 07:19.03 | Mephs | :> |
| 07:19.07 | onetwo | man you guys remind me of when i cared about melee, before editor came out |
| 07:19.08 | onetwo | lol |
| 07:19.15 | Arthas- | havent played for real in over 1 month |
| 07:19.21 | Mephs | melee is why i get nothing done |
| 07:19.32 | onetwo | i was like all into husky |
| 07:19.35 | onetwo | working my way up plat |
| 07:19.37 | onetwo | before diamond came out |
| 07:19.40 | onetwo | then editor comes out |
| 07:19.41 | onetwo | boom gone |
| 07:19.44 | onetwo | i cant make shit now |
| 07:19.46 | onetwo | in melee |
| 07:20.38 | Arthas- | hehe |
| 07:23.28 | Arthas- | Mephs, did you go back ingame!? |
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| 07:24.13 | Arthas- | men gomorron Ingela |
| 07:24.22 | Ingela | morning |
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| 07:32.14 | onetwo | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:32.22 | onetwo | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bb5iaCVfN1o that was just posted as a video response to left 4 death trailer |
| 07:33.43 | onetwo | i did like the sort of morning mist look to the old terrain |
| 07:33.48 | onetwo | but new one will be great |
| 07:35.51 | onetwo | man sc2 must cache a lot... first time testing my map on a given day, takes ridiculous loading time... but then subsequent loads it goes faster and faster like 30 secs |
| 07:35.57 | onetwo | even after quitting the game |
| 07:36.22 | Arthas- | onetwo, never close sc2.exe between testing |
| 07:36.26 | Arthas- | and ya, it caches alot :d |
| 07:36.31 | onetwo | i only got 2 gigs of memory |
| 07:36.34 | onetwo | i kind of have to |
| 07:36.39 | Arthas- | ouch |
| 07:36.49 | Arthas- | I tried using 2gigs once |
| 07:36.54 | Arthas- | It was slow :D |
| 07:36.57 | onetwo | lol |
| 07:37.16 | onetwo | its gonna be so fun recording cines when i get a new comp one of these days |
| 07:37.21 | onetwo | more ram |
| 07:37.23 | onetwo | faster harddrive |
| 07:37.26 | onetwo | better graphics card |
| 07:37.30 | onetwo | :D |
| 07:37.35 | Arthas- | hehehe |
| 07:37.47 | Arthas- | ram did alot for sc2 |
| 07:37.51 | Arthas- | do* |
| 07:43.00 | onetwo | man |
| 07:43.03 | onetwo | kind of annoying |
| 07:43.14 | onetwo | i have to turn on display raw text everytime i reopen a button tooltip |
| 07:43.16 | onetwo | it doesnt remember |
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| 07:52.45 | Bounty | >< |
| 07:56.04 | Mephs | yea i saw that onetwo |
| 07:56.27 | Mephs | i told you iw as looking for your trailer and that popped up |
| 07:56.31 | Mephs | in the search |
| 07:56.41 | onetwo | oh |
| 07:56.42 | onetwo | lol |
| 07:56.53 | Mephs | there's another one |
| 07:56.55 | Mephs | with some foreign guy |
| 07:57.02 | Mephs | and he's like "blizzard did a really good job on it" |
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| 07:58.02 | Mephs | ugh 4 more heroes to go |
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| 08:03.25 | onetwo | ROFL |
| 08:03.28 | onetwo | blizz did a good job on it |
| 08:03.29 | onetwo | thats hilarious |
| 08:03.37 | Bounty | on what |
| 08:03.38 | onetwo | its amazing how clueless the general public actually is |
| 08:03.44 | onetwo | [00:56] <Mephs> there's another one [00:56] <Mephs> with some foreign guy [00:57] <Mephs> and he's like "blizzard did a really good job on it" |
| 08:03.54 | onetwo | people posting videos about meph's left 4 death |
| 08:04.11 | Bounty | lolol |
| 08:05.16 | Mephs | i wonder |
| 08:05.18 | Mephs | if i couldn't just make |
| 08:05.20 | Mephs | a fighter... |
| 08:06.08 | Bounty | fighter would be easy |
| 08:06.12 | Bounty | except animations lol |
| 08:06.26 | Bounty | Would be cool to have animated backgrounds |
| 08:06.32 | Mephs | thats not too hard |
| 08:06.39 | Mephs | to make the stages immersive |
| 08:06.43 | Bounty | yeah |
| 08:06.45 | Mephs | just add some units moving around or cheering |
| 08:06.53 | Bounty | import the Deathwing model |
| 08:07.04 | Bounty | and have the fight on a platform as deathwing flys around |
| 08:07.09 | Mephs | just lack of animations |
| 08:07.10 | Bounty | in the background lol |
| 08:07.23 | Mephs | could use wow models too |
| 08:07.34 | Mephs | as the fighters |
| 08:07.51 | Mephs | probably another idea that'll be shot down by the bnet lag monster |
| 08:08.12 | Bounty | yeah |
| 08:08.15 | Mephs | if they ever really do fix WASD i'll try it |
| 08:08.28 | Mephs | but really just seems like anything outside of a tug td or MOBA style game wont work too great |
| 08:08.31 | Mephs | or mini games |
| 08:08.34 | Bounty | actually, 2 people wouldnt be to bad |
| 08:08.36 | Bounty | lag wise |
| 08:08.41 | Mephs | i mean input lag |
| 08:08.49 | Mephs | even on right click moving you can feel it |
| 08:08.57 | Bounty | use progammers data wasd |
| 08:09.02 | Mephs | ... |
| 08:09.05 | Bounty | u only need 2 directions for a fighter |
| 08:09.07 | Mephs | even command card |
| 08:09.09 | Mephs | lags tho |
| 08:09.09 | progammer | its called input illusion, when you press the w button you expect unit to move immediately |
| 08:09.28 | progammer | but it is delayed so it is still lag |
| 08:09.32 | Mephs | ^ |
| 08:09.37 | Mephs | you can't have that in a fighter :/ |
| 08:09.40 | Mephs | unfortunately |
| 08:09.46 | progammer | while right clicking you dont expect that to happen |
| 08:09.55 | progammer | so even when there's delay, un noticable |
| 08:10.04 | Mephs | when you got a laggy opponent on blazblue |
| 08:10.06 | Mephs | it SUCKED |
| 08:10.10 | Mephs | the game crawled so bad |
| 08:10.10 | progammer | unless you're in a pro team lan party |
| 08:10.15 | Mephs | NOPE |
| 08:10.18 | Mephs | NO CAN DO PROGAMMER |
| 08:10.21 | Mephs | NO LAN SUPPORT! GG |
| 08:10.29 | Arthas- | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKAtUeWCfrE <<< theme for progammer's new map! |
| 08:10.41 | Bounty | I hope they fix WASD real soon |
| 08:10.47 | onetwo | blizz should team up with valve and make some super-fast net code |
| 08:10.50 | onetwo | lol |
| 08:10.53 | Mephs | lol |
| 08:10.55 | Mephs | if they do fix wasd |
| 08:10.59 | Mephs | i guarantee you i'm makin a fighter |
| 08:11.07 | Mephs | not like 3d tekken style |
| 08:11.09 | Bounty | only one fighter u should make |
| 08:11.12 | Mephs | but street fighter style |
| 08:11.12 | Arthas- | you cant have a fun fighter with that latency |
| 08:11.14 | Bounty | Smash Bro Craft |
| 08:11.15 | Bounty | >< |
| 08:11.17 | Mephs | lol! |
| 08:11.18 | Arthas- | or well |
| 08:11.22 | Mephs | thats what my map is called |
| 08:11.25 | Mephs | ...well smashcraft |
| 08:11.26 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:11.26 | Arthas- | itll be as fun as playing CS with 100 ms |
| 08:11.32 | Bounty | Thrall VS Kerrigan |
| 08:11.44 | Mephs | but yea until they fix the latency |
| 08:11.46 | Mephs | its a no go |
| 08:11.46 | Bounty | to bad we dont have any diablo models |
| 08:11.53 | Mephs | i might fuck around with wow models tho |
| 08:11.57 | Mephs | and see what i can make offline |
| 08:12.00 | Bounty | i would get started on it |
| 08:12.01 | Mephs | if i run out of things to mess with |
| 08:12.07 | Mephs | i'm still working on this one |
| 08:12.08 | Mephs | for now |
| 08:12.08 | Bounty | u could still play it, just not publicly |
| 08:12.15 | Mephs | it already plays kind of ilke a fighter |
| 08:12.16 | Mephs | but 3v3 |
| 08:12.19 | Mephs | and MOBA style |
| 08:12.35 | progammer | it should be warcraft vs starcraft |
| 08:12.39 | progammer | marvel vs capcom style |
| 08:12.40 | Bounty | yeah |
| 08:12.46 | progammer | or blizzard vs valve |
| 08:12.46 | Mephs | problem is starcraft models have shitty animations to use for a fighter |
| 08:12.56 | Bounty | its funny |
| 08:12.58 | Mephs | and they're low poly |
| 08:13.03 | Bounty | the sc models are only missing one animation |
| 08:13.07 | Bounty | jump |
| 08:13.09 | Mephs | yea |
| 08:13.16 | Bounty | thats all we need lol |
| 08:13.16 | Mephs | if the animation editor ever exists tho |
| 08:13.27 | progammer | btw this is so sexy http://us.battle.net/wow/en/ |
| 08:13.33 | Mephs | you can use load/unload animation to kind of look like a jump |
| 08:13.39 | Mephs | also needed: moving + firing animations |
| 08:13.42 | Mephs | i hate skating around |
| 08:14.02 | Bounty | i used that in battlefield |
| 08:14.09 | Bounty | the War pig did the unload thing lol |
| 08:14.16 | Bounty | but it looked stupid so i made it a "teleport" |
| 08:14.38 | Bounty | and the moving firing thing i just use clear animations to smooth it out |
| 08:14.44 | Bounty | so u dont glide as much |
| 08:14.52 | Bounty | my old maps u would attack and glide for a good 5 minutes lolol |
| 08:15.17 | Mephs | the cool thing is that all models in wow have like |
| 08:15.19 | Mephs | a kick, or a punch |
| 08:15.22 | Mephs | thats all you really need |
| 08:15.24 | Bounty | yeah lol |
| 08:15.45 | Mephs | sc game models are such low poly count |
| 08:15.46 | Bounty | i made a class called Ork Tyson |
| 08:15.51 | Mephs | if you zoom in ont hem they look like shit out of 2000 |
| 08:16.06 | Bounty | someone made a HD Marine |
| 08:16.14 | Bounty | I assume hes goign to do other models? |
| 08:16.52 | Mephs | well |
| 08:16.56 | Mephs | i know you can do things with the story mode models |
| 08:17.04 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:17.09 | Mephs | idk how though. the best i got was a dude walking around |
| 08:17.13 | Bounty | the Starcraft Ghost map |
| 08:17.20 | Bounty | the animations... |
| 08:17.21 | Bounty | my god |
| 08:17.24 | Mephs | ? |
| 08:17.33 | Bounty | there was a map called StarcrafT ghost |
| 08:17.41 | Bounty | and it used the cutscene models |
| 08:17.44 | Mephs | you mean the game bliz planned to make? |
| 08:17.48 | Bounty | and the animations was like a retard running |
| 08:17.53 | Mephs | oh lol |
| 08:18.02 | Bounty | nah someone made it |
| 08:18.06 | Bounty | i assume its canned |
| 08:18.59 | Bounty | i feel so sorry for the guy who made Aeon of Chaos |
| 08:19.14 | Bounty | its a good map but he doesnt have enough content to compete with Sotis :( |
| 08:19.24 | Mephs | theres another promising looking one |
| 08:19.28 | Bounty | only like 5 items |
| 08:19.30 | Mephs | called PVDota |
| 08:19.33 | progammer | wait a minute Mephs , Bounty at the same channel |
| 08:19.38 | progammer | blashphemy |
| 08:19.40 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:19.41 | Mephs | dont get the wrong idea he's still a cunt rag |
| 08:19.44 | Mephs | anyway |
| 08:19.46 | Bounty | >< |
| 08:19.57 | Bounty | According to the forums |
| 08:20.01 | Bounty | I am a douche |
| 08:20.04 | Bounty | and he is an asshole |
| 08:20.10 | Bounty | but regardless |
| 08:20.15 | Bounty | PvDota? Link? |
| 08:20.46 | Mephs | er my bad |
| 08:20.48 | Mephs | xpdota |
| 08:20.58 | Bounty | ah ok i see it |
| 08:21.02 | Mephs | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/981678248 |
| 08:21.14 | Mephs | the screenshots look pretty identical to sotis |
| 08:21.20 | Mephs | i wish ppl would just at laest try to make a new map layout |
| 08:21.25 | Mephs | tired of the same fucking map for the last 1590283028 years |
| 08:21.27 | Bounty | yeah i was just about to say |
| 08:21.30 | Bounty | that map layout looks... |
| 08:21.36 | Bounty | the same as every other dota |
| 08:21.38 | Mephs | well thats the original standard dota map |
| 08:21.41 | Mephs | even HON has it |
| 08:21.52 | Mephs | but at least s2 made more maps |
| 08:21.55 | Mephs | than just that one |
| 08:21.58 | Bounty | ill never understand it |
| 08:22.03 | Mephs | the 3v3 map they made is pretty fun |
| 08:22.06 | Bounty | all that creativity on these heroes and abilities |
| 08:22.12 | Bounty | they get to the map layout and say |
| 08:22.16 | Mephs | its not even that creative |
| 08:22.16 | Bounty | ok lets do the same thing everyone else did |
| 08:22.35 | Mephs | its basically "give a hero a main attack, another attack, some passive boost, and an overpowered 1-button kill switch" |
| 08:22.46 | Bounty | no i mean design wise |
| 08:23.03 | Mephs | i'm just sick of everyone trying to cash in on the dota craze |
| 08:23.04 | Bounty | sotis abilities are pretty neat |
| 08:23.05 | Mephs | its old |
| 08:23.12 | Mephs | HON was fun but i dont even play that anymore |
| 08:23.25 | Mephs | at least take the MOBA genre and expand on it |
| 08:23.33 | Mephs | make new types of games (and here i am making a MOBA hero arena) |
| 08:23.37 | Bounty | Honestly i am shocked there are no Hero Arenas |
| 08:23.41 | Bounty | I used to love those |
| 08:23.43 | Mephs | ... |
| 08:23.47 | Mephs | there's a bunch |
| 08:23.49 | Mephs | but they all suck |
| 08:23.58 | Bounty | then they dont exsist to me |
| 08:24.02 | Mephs | me or rrowland, keep an eye out |
| 08:24.10 | Bounty | exist* |
| 08:24.25 | Mephs | we probably got the only good looking hero arena's in planning (that i've seen so far) |
| 08:25.24 | progammer | playxp is the dedicated korean site for sc just fyi |
| 08:25.47 | Bounty | yeah i get that site on alot of my youtube views |
| 08:25.48 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:26.59 | Mephs | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKJ9AVrpM9s <-- definitely going to be an arena soundtrack |
| 08:27.18 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:27.36 | Bounty | HAI DATS COPYRIGHT |
| 08:27.50 | Mephs | GGX/blazblue srsly has some of the best fighter soundtracks of any in the genre i've EVER played |
| 08:28.27 | progammer | can anyone thinks of any good effects that show an unit is grounded to the ground ? |
| 08:28.36 | Mephs | hybrid C plasma charge |
| 08:28.41 | Mephs | scale it on Z and attach to shadow |
| 08:28.47 | Mephs | looks like their feet are bound |
| 08:29.06 | Mephs | its my default snare effect |
| 08:29.42 | progammer | thats like light chained |
| 08:29.46 | Bounty | I think you should be able to create any effect using the create effect on unit trigger |
| 08:29.51 | Bounty | rather then only damaging effects |
| 08:29.54 | Bounty | like graphicaly |
| 08:29.55 | progammer | i need a rocky effect |
| 08:30.00 | Mephs | well thats what effects are in the data |
| 08:30.07 | Mephs | what you want is "actor" bounty |
| 08:30.12 | Bounty | yeah i know |
| 08:30.15 | Bounty | im able to get it done |
| 08:30.18 | Mephs | rocky effect...hm |
| 08:30.27 | Mephs | hrmmmmmm |
| 08:30.27 | Bounty | grr |
| 08:30.30 | Mephs | like you talking like a root? |
| 08:30.40 | progammer | bounty l2data noobs |
| 08:30.46 | Bounty | dont need to |
| 08:30.48 | Bounty | :) |
| 08:30.56 | Mephs | hrmm |
| 08:30.58 | Bounty | i manage to find a work around for everything lol |
| 08:31.07 | Mephs | the closest thing i've seen that could do that... |
| 08:31.07 | Bounty | except rpg elements |
| 08:31.14 | Mephs | is unburrow fx small |
| 08:31.19 | Mephs | burrow fx small is the model |
| 08:31.22 | Mephs | play anim unburrow |
| 08:31.28 | progammer | i could attach a small rocks to its bottom but its kinda ugly |
| 08:31.30 | Mephs | make sure you scale the Z down to like 0.2 |
| 08:31.31 | Mephs | tho |
| 08:31.39 | Mephs | it looks like the ground is churning around their efet |
| 08:31.41 | Mephs | feet* |
| 08:31.52 | Mephs | or mess with flattening the Z axis |
| 08:31.58 | Mephs | thats the only thing i can think of off the top of my head |
| 08:32.02 | Bounty | what about smoke AoE? |
| 08:32.08 | Mephs | unburrow, tint black |
| 08:32.09 | Bounty | has some rocks |
| 08:32.10 | Mephs | gray'ish |
| 08:32.16 | Mephs | for a smoke effect |
| 08:32.24 | Mephs | i overuse the burrow FX and feedback ones D: |
| 08:32.27 | progammer | gray tint never works |
| 08:32.28 | progammer | i tried |
| 08:32.31 | Mephs | er not gray |
| 08:32.34 | progammer | it have little effect |
| 08:32.36 | Mephs | fuck idk what i used |
| 08:32.38 | Bounty | smoke aoe has grays and it looks line vines on the bottom |
| 08:32.43 | Bounty | has rocks* |
| 08:32.44 | Mephs | smoke aoe lemme see |
| 08:32.54 | Mephs | smoke medium? |
| 08:33.03 | Bounty | smoke AoE |
| 08:33.12 | Mephs | theres no smoke AOE model |
| 08:33.14 | Bounty | under terran |
| 08:33.25 | Bounty | in between siege tank and sniper stuff |
| 08:33.33 | Mephs | terran building smoke large? |
| 08:33.34 | Bounty | under effects folder |
| 08:33.45 | Mephs | gah |
| 08:33.47 | Mephs | whats the actor name |
| 08:33.51 | Bounty | Effects - Terran |
| 08:33.53 | currydevil | graviton beam has floating rocks, lower the height of it? |
| 08:34.00 | Bounty | u cant call up the actor on it lol |
| 08:34.07 | Mephs | everything has an actor |
| 08:34.10 | Mephs | or it doesn't appear |
| 08:34.33 | progammer | currydevil: would try that |
| 08:34.39 | Mephs | its probably using one of the models on the list if you search for "smoke" |
| 08:34.40 | Bounty | it just says smokeAoe |
| 08:34.54 | Bounty | u dont see it? lol |
| 08:35.00 | Mephs | in the data editor? |
| 08:35.06 | Mephs | i'm searching "smoke" nothing comes up |
| 08:35.10 | Bounty | model previewer |
| 08:35.16 | Bounty | archive browser |
| 08:35.33 | Bounty | open up a model and click to view it and use its browser |
| 08:35.33 | Mephs | ah. |
| 08:35.35 | Bounty | thats what i use |
| 08:35.50 | Bounty | lots of hidden effects in there lol |
| 08:36.49 | Mephs | ahhhhh...hm |
| 08:36.58 | Mephs | yea there is no entry for it in the models either, interesting |
| 08:37.16 | Mephs | now i'm curious what else is in here that's left unused |
| 08:37.26 | progammer | Mephs: it meas the model is unused, better back it up before any patch clean it up |
| 08:37.29 | Mephs | heh you can get a neat air dash effect for a fighter |
| 08:37.34 | Mephs | with this one effect and site op it 90 degrees |
| 08:37.51 | Bounty | would they really remove it progammer? |
| 08:37.54 | Mephs | no |
| 08:37.55 | Bounty | i use alot of unused models lol |
| 08:37.59 | Mephs | they usually don't care to |
| 08:38.00 | Bounty | lots of cool ones |
| 08:38.05 | Bounty | just throw them on a unit |
| 08:38.10 | Bounty | and call for that units model |
| 08:38.13 | Bounty | booya |
| 08:38.16 | progammer | some stuff from beta disapear in retail |
| 08:38.28 | Mephs | yea but m3 are so big |
| 08:38.33 | Mephs | there goes half your map allocation |
| 08:38.35 | Mephs | :/ |
| 08:38.42 | Mephs | lol you see that guy working on the tactics game |
| 08:38.44 | Mephs | with like 100 classes |
| 08:38.46 | Mephs | it looks awesome but |
| 08:38.47 | Bounty | another good one is antigravity |
| 08:38.52 | Mephs | with all the models he's using his maps' 50 mb |
| 08:38.53 | Bounty | idk if that one is hidden or not |
| 08:38.58 | Mephs | no thats in the data editor. |
| 08:39.02 | Mephs | its used for uhhm |
| 08:39.06 | Mephs | phoenix levitate |
| 08:39.10 | Mephs | as a sub actor |
| 08:39.14 | Bounty | ah |
| 08:39.27 | Bounty | with the rocks raising? |
| 08:39.43 | Mephs | yea |
| 08:39.47 | Mephs | play power overwhelming |
| 08:39.50 | Mephs | he uses it |
| 08:40.11 | Mephs | now see thats what would be up for a DBZ based game |
| 08:40.16 | Mephs | not that shit whoever released a DBZ rpg |
| 08:40.23 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:40.56 | progammer | power overwhelming have cool effects |
| 08:41.04 | progammer | eye candy |
| 08:41.39 | Mephs | thats all i played it for lol |
| 08:41.45 | Mephs | thats more than i can say for 99% of maps on bnet |
| 08:41.51 | progammer | the graviton rocks model are so small |
| 08:41.56 | Mephs | the gameplay felt really unbalanced after a few rounds |
| 08:42.08 | Mephs | like whoever finds more pve units + more powerups wins basically |
| 08:42.08 | Bounty | can make them bigger |
| 08:42.14 | Mephs | once you get enough power you are unstoppable |
| 08:42.20 | Mephs | so you basically win |
| 08:42.39 | Mephs | other than that the super jump is awesome |
| 08:42.40 | progammer | Bounty: no the actual rocks is small |
| 08:42.53 | progammer | so if i scale up its out of proportion |
| 08:42.54 | Bounty | which one are u looking at |
| 08:42.57 | Bounty | impact? |
| 08:43.03 | Mephs | here's a weird one for ya |
| 08:43.10 | Bounty | AreaImpact of UnitImpact? |
| 08:43.12 | Mephs | why does 3 models of "Preserver" exist? |
| 08:43.21 | Mephs | they have identical everything, look, model, and animations |
| 08:43.23 | Bounty | u didnt know? |
| 08:43.25 | progammer | because there are 3 of them |
| 08:43.30 | Bounty | preserver B has a differant shoulder pad |
| 08:43.32 | Mephs | why need 3 m3s for them |
| 08:43.35 | Bounty | then preserver A |
| 08:43.35 | Mephs | oh. |
| 08:43.37 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:43.38 | Mephs | -_- |
| 08:43.43 | Bounty | thats really about it |
| 08:43.50 | Mephs | and then tassadar has the same model too |
| 08:43.53 | Mephs | gg |
| 08:43.57 | Bounty | they are all diff |
| 08:44.04 | Bounty | but its such a small differance |
| 08:44.08 | Bounty | u really have to look for it |
| 08:44.13 | Mephs | not like anyone even really zooms in on their shit models |
| 08:44.23 | Bounty | >< |
| 08:44.35 | Mephs | i guess thats just so they dont blow up ppl's apple IIgs'es in melee |
| 08:44.53 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:45.02 | Bounty | aint no macs gonna be able to play the map im making now |
| 08:45.02 | Mephs | i think i have to take the portraits out of my UI |
| 08:45.07 | Mephs | that is causing the big lag issue in my map |
| 08:45.09 | Bounty | 1200 screaming fans |
| 08:45.12 | Bounty | all animating |
| 08:45.16 | Bounty | gg |
| 08:45.19 | Bounty | lolol |
| 08:45.22 | Mephs | if it runs like shit on my box you have a problem |
| 08:45.26 | Bounty | nah |
| 08:45.30 | Bounty | it runs great |
| 08:45.33 | Bounty | but if u have a really old computer |
| 08:45.35 | Bounty | gg |
| 08:45.42 | Mephs | i have to make sure the UI looks as awesome as the abilities in this map |
| 08:45.47 | Mephs | and UI art isn't my strong point |
| 08:45.47 | Mephs | fack |
| 08:45.50 | progammer | destructible rock 4x4 looks good |
| 08:46.01 | Mephs | you could do taht yea |
| 08:46.01 | progammer | though it kind of suddelny appear |
| 08:46.02 | Bounty | did you look at Smoke AOE progammer? |
| 08:46.04 | Mephs | scale it down big time |
| 08:46.09 | Mephs | progammer: use unburrow FX |
| 08:46.16 | Mephs | and it will look like they are there after the dust clears |
| 08:46.33 | Mephs | burrow FX are so great =.= |
| 08:46.58 | Bounty | all effects kick ass imo |
| 08:47.04 | Bounty | u can easily look at each effect |
| 08:47.08 | Mephs | some i find myself using multiple times |
| 08:47.09 | Bounty | and come up with an ability for it lol |
| 08:47.16 | Mephs | but in different ways |
| 08:47.24 | Mephs | like i have this one hero |
| 08:47.27 | Mephs | using the burrow FX on 3 of his abilities |
| 08:47.31 | Mephs | but they all look different |
| 08:47.31 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:47.41 | Mephs | and have different purpose in each animation |
| 08:48.03 | Bounty | i just put in tier 2 ability for my melee hero and it does a 4 hit combo but has a giant shadow avatar of urself do it |
| 08:48.11 | Bounty | im def using that again |
| 08:48.11 | progammer | still hate this data editor |
| 08:48.15 | Mephs | yea i love using imposition |
| 08:48.31 | Mephs | the rogue hero swings at someone 1000 times and does a run-thru effect |
| 08:48.36 | Mephs | then the target explodes in a splatter of blood |
| 08:48.38 | Mephs | its pretty epic |
| 08:48.40 | Bounty | >< |
| 08:49.12 | Bounty | Tier 3 will be fun to make |
| 08:49.18 | Bounty | bc thats when i told myself |
| 08:49.22 | Bounty | i have to go dbz mode |
| 08:49.25 | Mephs | if you scale the impose fx 1.5 and put their animations on a .25 time scale |
| 08:49.27 | Bounty | everything must be huuuge |
| 08:49.30 | Mephs | you get a really crazy blur effect |
| 08:49.46 | Mephs | lol |
| 08:49.48 | Bounty | what is the impose effect? |
| 08:49.59 | Mephs | just when you take a copy of the actor |
| 08:50.05 | Bounty | i used create actor lol |
| 08:50.08 | Mephs | and reduce its opacity |
| 08:50.11 | Bounty | and make it play animations when i did |
| 08:50.12 | Bounty | yeah |
| 08:50.24 | Mephs | i use it in a few animations |
| 08:50.33 | Mephs | where the hero need to look like he's flipping the fuck out |
| 08:50.38 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:50.42 | Bounty | Cloud from FFV7 |
| 08:50.53 | Bounty | FF7** |
| 08:50.55 | Mephs | thing is you can tie it to persistent periodic effects |
| 08:51.02 | Mephs | and thats how you get the easiest blur animation with little work needed |
| 08:51.23 | Bounty | yeah thats where im using it again |
| 08:51.27 | Bounty | for some sort of dash combo |
| 08:51.32 | Mephs | yeh |
| 08:51.32 | Bounty | have a trail |
| 08:51.36 | Mephs | exactly |
| 08:51.46 | Mephs | i dont use it for dash effects but mainly melee attacks |
| 08:51.59 | Mephs | or this one ability called wild shot where the marine char fires in all directions really rapidly |
| 08:52.08 | Mephs | looks like a shower of bullets raining about him |
| 08:52.18 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:52.52 | Bounty | so i figure |
| 08:53.00 | Bounty | i can make my map 3 players and i never have to release it publicly |
| 08:53.01 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:53.11 | Bounty | 4 players is a pita to find :) |
| 08:53.17 | Bounty | u can always find 2 other peeps |
| 08:53.27 | Mephs | just aim it towards players who play small games with friends |
| 08:53.33 | Mephs | i constantly see ppl group join my game |
| 08:53.40 | Mephs | when 4 ppl just pop in out o fnowhere all at once |
| 08:53.54 | Mephs | theey usually looking for a co-op game |
| 08:53.56 | Bounty | well this wont be done for awhile |
| 08:54.01 | Bounty | unlike my other stuff lol |
| 08:54.04 | Bounty | there is alot to this |
| 08:54.09 | Mephs | yea i was about to say |
| 08:54.14 | Mephs | you're taking longer than a few hours to make a map? |
| 08:54.14 | Bounty | i dont even know how im going to explain it to ppl |
| 08:54.18 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:54.25 | Bounty | well this is the map i wanted to make in the first place >< |
| 08:54.36 | Bounty | im only done 3 abilities out of 6 for one of 4 heroes |
| 08:54.41 | Bounty | and i only have 2 enemies done |
| 08:54.43 | Mephs | i dont see any way to support multiple custom maps under the current system |
| 08:54.53 | Bounty | same |
| 08:54.55 | Bounty | i think its bull |
| 08:54.58 | Mephs | cuz you have to constantly update, fix, balance |
| 08:55.05 | Bounty | just increase the map size lol |
| 08:55.14 | Mephs | and if you stop focusing on one map it falls to the bottom |
| 08:55.17 | Mephs | and no point updating it |
| 08:55.23 | progammer | can some one explain how i stop model addition from autoscale ? |
| 08:55.35 | Mephs | turn off scale inheritance |
| 08:55.48 | Mephs | its on property transfers i think |
| 08:55.53 | Mephs | under the actor |
| 08:56.31 | Mephs | i dont even care if the first release of this map is unbalanced as hell |
| 08:56.38 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:56.39 | Mephs | i seek to overwhelm with style over substance |
| 08:56.44 | progammer | http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/404 |
| 08:56.47 | Mephs | i usually just make heroes and balance as i play it |
| 08:56.55 | Bounty | im going one at a time |
| 08:56.58 | Mephs | easier than sitting and trying to predict how ppl will exploit abilities |
| 08:56.58 | Bounty | im finishing one hero |
| 08:57.02 | Mephs | or even adapt to the game |
| 08:57.04 | Bounty | then im doing the content |
| 08:57.07 | Bounty | n ill add heroes |
| 08:57.15 | Mephs | yea |
| 08:57.18 | Bounty | yeah |
| 08:57.21 | Bounty | creating heroes all at once |
| 08:57.25 | Bounty | usually ends up bad lol |
| 08:57.26 | Mephs | the original version of l4death |
| 08:57.29 | Mephs | pyro could solo the entire game |
| 08:57.33 | progammer | Mephs: thanks thats did it |
| 08:57.36 | Mephs | he's been nerfed into oblivion |
| 08:57.40 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:57.46 | Bounty | thats how Assassin was for BFE |
| 08:57.53 | Bounty | 4.5 runspeed |
| 08:57.55 | Mephs | yea |
| 08:58.01 | Mephs | its too hard to predict how ppl will play your chars |
| 08:58.04 | Mephs | like you have one idea in your head |
| 08:58.07 | Mephs | and you know how to play that hero |
| 08:58.08 | Bounty | and he could kill as fast as u could click |
| 08:58.10 | Mephs | but will other people figure it out? |
| 08:58.20 | Bounty | nobody did |
| 08:58.23 | Bounty | ppl kept pickign him |
| 08:58.25 | Bounty | and i would kill them |
| 08:58.25 | Mephs | do you balance around the fact ppl can't figure out your idea or do you just let them whine and tell them they're doing it wrong |
| 08:58.27 | Bounty | lol |
| 08:58.34 | Mephs | becuz some chars really are stronger than ppl think |
| 08:58.38 | Mephs | everyone thinks my engineer char sucks |
| 08:58.42 | Mephs | but i always pick him if i play my map |
| 08:58.44 | Bounty | i usually test it |
| 08:58.44 | Mephs | cuz he's probably the best |
| 08:58.53 | Bounty | like if someone says something is OP |
| 08:59.02 | Bounty | if i havent already looked into it ill mess with it |
| 08:59.11 | Mephs | thats why when i release a map |
| 08:59.13 | Mephs | i play it into the ground |
| 08:59.16 | Mephs | and observe it in real time |
| 08:59.24 | Mephs | and see if the claims are justified |
| 08:59.27 | Mephs | cuz sometimes they just aren't |
| 08:59.28 | Bounty | yeah |
| 08:59.34 | Bounty | example would be the nova hero on battlefield |
| 08:59.35 | Mephs | like i've heard "swarm is OP" as many times as i hear "survivor is OP" |
| 08:59.41 | Bounty | she one shots assassins and casters |
| 08:59.47 | Bounty | but she only shoots one bullet at a time |
| 08:59.50 | Bounty | and its on CD |
| 08:59.54 | Bounty | and ppl thought it was OP |
| 08:59.57 | Bounty | L2dodge |
| 08:59.59 | Bounty | lol |
| 09:00.04 | Bounty | its one slow ass projectile |
| 09:00.05 | Mephs | yeah, when you have about a 50% rate of everyone saying everything is OP |
| 09:00.09 | Mephs | thats when you know the game's balanced. |
| 09:00.24 | Mephs | unless your'e a terran |
| 09:00.31 | Mephs | then go die in a fire cuz you really are OP |
| 09:00.33 | Bounty | well the thing is they would then play Nova |
| 09:00.37 | Bounty | and bitch about assassins |
| 09:00.43 | Mephs | yea lol |
| 09:00.50 | Bounty | >< |
| 09:00.53 | Mephs | i'd go through a full map run without losing anyone |
| 09:01.05 | Mephs | and the other team just whined that we were op |
| 09:01.12 | Mephs | then we wiped them in 30 seconds |
| 09:01.13 | Bounty | loool |
| 09:01.13 | Mephs | as swarm |
| 09:01.18 | Bounty | exactly |
| 09:01.23 | Bounty | thats the first thing i love to do |
| 09:01.26 | Bounty | is OP? |
| 09:01.27 | Bounty | Ok |
| 09:01.32 | progammer | lol @ the esport section added in the wow site |
| 09:01.34 | Bounty | then i shouldnt be able to kill u with it then? |
| 09:01.39 | Mephs | wow esports |
| 09:01.40 | Mephs | ...rofl |
| 09:01.48 | Mephs | i dont know why they push unbalanced arena as an esprot |
| 09:01.49 | Mephs | sport* |
| 09:01.52 | Mephs | its a joke |
| 09:01.53 | Bounty | lol |
| 09:02.01 | Bounty | thats like football |
| 09:02.01 | Mephs | i got vengeful glad in s3 and quit |
| 09:02.08 | Bounty | but certain people are in mech suits |
| 09:02.14 | Bounty | the others are in regular jerseys |
| 09:02.17 | Mephs | i can see starcraft |
| 09:02.18 | Bounty | gg |
| 09:02.22 | Mephs | as an esport |
| 09:02.26 | Mephs | pro games are REALLY fun to watch |
| 09:02.32 | Bounty | meh |
| 09:02.33 | Mephs | (but turn off the nerd announcers they're annoying) |
| 09:02.37 | progammer | fucking fun |
| 09:02.38 | Megalon | MLG finally got an esports game with sc2 |
| 09:02.38 | Mephs | i dont get the casting part of it |
| 09:02.39 | Bounty | ive played 5 games |
| 09:02.45 | progammer | btw slayerboxer is elimitaed |
| 09:02.47 | Mephs | its like |
| 09:02.50 | Mephs | OH LOOK AT THAT |
| 09:02.53 | Mephs | HE GOT A HELLION |
| 09:02.57 | Mephs | thx i didn't see that with my own eyes |
| 09:03.05 | Bounty | pros use hellions? |
| 09:03.09 | Mephs | ...yeah all the time |
| 09:03.17 | Bounty | ive only played 5 games so |
| 09:03.20 | Mephs | well not since the spammarinelol strat started |
| 09:03.20 | Bounty | lol |
| 09:03.22 | Mephs | in the last tourn |
| 09:03.28 | Mephs | thats the new thing |
| 09:03.32 | Mephs | 1AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA marineball LOL |
| 09:03.40 | Bounty | i remember that in sc1 |
| 09:03.42 | Bounty | medic marine |
| 09:03.46 | Mephs | its retardedly effective |
| 09:03.49 | Bounty | who would have thought? |
| 09:03.50 | Bounty | a Medic |
| 09:03.52 | Bounty | and a Marine |
| 09:03.54 | Bounty | would go well |
| 09:03.55 | Mephs | meh |
| 09:03.57 | Megalon | fake boxer does a bit more then spaming marines :p |
| 09:03.58 | Mephs | now medvac and marine |
| 09:04.07 | Bounty | yeah |
| 09:04.09 | Mephs | its still |
| 09:04.11 | Mephs | basically t1 units |
| 09:04.17 | Mephs | raping everything that they're sposed to be hard countered by |
| 09:04.27 | Mephs | i have been destroyed by marines |
| 09:04.30 | Mephs | and i went all baneling roach |
| 09:04.35 | Megalon | what hardcounters marines |
| 09:04.37 | Mephs | looking at the replay i even had higher supply |
| 09:04.41 | Mephs | ROACH BANELING |
| 09:04.45 | Mephs | ...oh wait no it doesn't lol |
| 09:04.49 | Bounty | Colossus? |
| 09:04.51 | Bounty | lol |
| 09:04.52 | progammer | marine is the best dps |
| 09:04.52 | Megalon | only if you can't spread |
| 09:04.52 | Mephs | nope |
| 09:04.58 | Megalon | yeye |
| 09:04.59 | Mephs | marines > everythign zerg has |
| 09:05.01 | Megalon | what's next |
| 09:05.07 | Megalon | you come with the term metagame? |
| 09:05.08 | Mephs | i've had a marine ball melt ultralisks, brood lords, every t3 unit we have |
| 09:05.09 | Megalon | :x |
| 09:05.10 | Bounty | Colossus doesnt counter marines? |
| 09:05.11 | Mephs | every t2 unit i had |
| 09:05.12 | Mephs | every t1 |
| 09:05.15 | Bounty | i thought tahts whhat colossus do |
| 09:05.15 | progammer | they admited stim needs a nerf in blizzcon |
| 09:05.15 | Mephs | no |
| 09:05.17 | Bounty | lol |
| 09:05.22 | Mephs | colossus dies to a few stimmed marines in seconds |
| 09:05.28 | Mephs | its not the marines persay |
| 09:05.29 | Mephs | its stimpack |
| 09:05.34 | Bounty | oooh |
| 09:05.34 | Bounty | yeah |
| 09:05.35 | progammer | ^ |
| 09:05.37 | Bounty | that shit is gay |
| 09:05.38 | Mephs | its spammable |
| 09:05.41 | progammer | and with marauder also |
| 09:05.42 | Mephs | doesn't really have any negative effect |
| 09:05.46 | Bounty | wtf |
| 09:05.52 | Bounty | i thought it hurts them? lol |
| 09:05.54 | Mephs | only 10 hp |
| 09:05.59 | Mephs | and medvac heals it back in 1 seec |
| 09:06.04 | Mephs | if you watch pro terrans |
| 09:06.05 | Bounty | beat |
| 09:06.07 | Megalon | actualy |
| 09:06.11 | Mephs | they just run around the map with stimpack on like permanently |
| 09:06.12 | Megalon | a medivac heals it back in 3.33s |
| 09:06.16 | Mephs | once they have enough medvacs |
| 09:06.16 | Megalon | aw man |
| 09:06.19 | Megalon | you are such a whiny |
| 09:06.20 | Megalon | QQ |
| 09:06.21 | Megalon | mimimimi |
| 09:06.22 | Megalon | ing |
| 09:06.24 | Megalon | bitch |
| 09:06.28 | Megalon | you should be shot |
| 09:06.30 | Megalon | :S |
| 09:06.36 | Mephs | lol look at this faggot |
| 09:06.37 | Megalon | cya |
| 09:06.44 | Bounty | wtf |
| 09:07.00 | Megalon | hey, leave Bounty out |
| 09:07.04 | Megalon | he didn't insult you |
| 09:07.09 | Megalon | herp di derp |
| 09:07.10 | Mephs | talking to you |
| 09:07.12 | Bounty | ???? |
| 09:07.15 | Bounty | lol |
| 09:07.37 | Mephs | anyway |
| 09:07.42 | Megalon | so on your skill level |
| 09:07.51 | Megalon | you tend to be roflstomped by terrans who go marine only |
| 09:08.05 | Mephs | its surprisingly effective, believe it or not |
| 09:08.32 | Mephs | if ppl are using it at high lvl diamond play frequently it can't be that bad |
| 09:09.14 | Mephs | and i can beat it but in order to do so i have to out-macro him 200% |
| 09:09.31 | Mephs | its a lot of effort to beat something that's essentially pressing 2 buttons and a-moving |
| 09:13.01 | currydevil | mass some high templars... spam that psi storm. |
| 09:13.10 | currydevil | spppaaaaaammmm |
| 09:13.11 | Mephs | sure lemme go NP a probe and tech up to HT |
| 09:13.16 | Mephs | =p |
| 09:13.24 | currydevil | not my fault you play zerg =P |
| 09:13.30 | Mephs | yea i know i'm a glutton for punishment |
| 09:13.33 | currydevil | lol |
| 09:14.21 | currydevil | ultras should have a charge like zealots, they're useless when they're outrun. lol |
| 09:14.25 | currydevil | or rather.. |
| 09:14.33 | currydevil | just a charge + aoe knockback/stun |
| 09:14.34 | Mephs | they're just usless period |
| 09:14.44 | currydevil | then spam the cleavage |
| 09:14.47 | Mephs | even if they do get close they start spazzing out like they got epilepsy |
| 09:14.55 | Mephs | and die before they get a hit off |
| 09:15.09 | Mephs | i've stopped using ultras altogether really |
| 09:15.15 | Mephs | biggest waste of supply and tech |
| 09:15.19 | currydevil | mhm |
| 09:15.37 | Mephs | only time i use them is if i've pretty much won already |
| 09:15.39 | currydevil | and the comp is retarded with em, builds bldgs too close, and can't get any of them away from the hive |
| 09:15.53 | Mephs | got them locked into 1-2 bases and i'm freely expanding, the game's already over tho |
| 09:16.00 | Mephs | and i only make them to run down the 2500203582 turrets and PF |
| 09:16.06 | Mephs | and get the game over with |
| 09:16.46 | currydevil | mhm, anyways. I don't melee much, and it's bed time. |
| 09:19.43 | onetwo | locked into my bases? |
| 09:20.03 | *** join/#sc2mapster th15 (~t@cm118.kappa174.maxonline.com.sg) |
| 09:20.12 | Mephs | theres some shitty terrans |
| 09:20.17 | Mephs | even at high rating |
| 09:21.38 | onetwo | back when i played in march |
| 09:21.44 | onetwo | i remember being so pissed as toss |
| 09:21.47 | onetwo | cause terrans would just mmm |
| 09:21.50 | onetwo | and attack move |
| 09:21.53 | onetwo | and id have to try so much shit |
| 09:22.01 | onetwo | or 'tech to HT' but we all know thats a failure |
| 09:22.02 | onetwo | lol |
| 09:22.09 | onetwo | funny to see the problem is still around |
| 09:22.29 | Fisker | i mmmmm'd |
| 09:22.55 | Mephs | there was a brief stint where terrans were losing |
| 09:23.01 | Mephs | and they were like OMGZ ROACH RANGE +1 OP |
| 09:23.14 | Mephs | that was short lived :( |
| 09:28.19 | Arthas- | onetwo |
| 09:28.24 | Arthas- | didnt you play Z |
| 09:28.50 | onetwo | nope P |
| 09:28.52 | Arthas- | ah |
| 09:28.53 | Arthas- | well |
| 09:28.55 | onetwo | haha http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiauaGbxipA im watching that again |
| 09:28.59 | Arthas- | fuck templars :p |
| 09:29.04 | onetwo | "thats ok, we can just whine on the bnet forums like we usually do" |
| 09:29.07 | onetwo | hahaha hitlers plan |
| 09:29.08 | Arthas- | go collossi |
| 09:29.27 | Arthas- | still my favorite was the new units power ranger thingie |
| 09:29.37 | Arthas- | fucking jewtube |
| 09:30.02 | Arthas- | buffer - hold at 0:02 - buffer another 2 min |
| 09:30.35 | Arthas- | onetwo eu? |
| 09:30.38 | onetwo | us |
| 09:30.39 | onetwo | hahaha |
| 09:30.42 | onetwo | the real ID |
| 09:30.44 | Arthas- | fffffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu |
| 09:30.50 | Arthas- | real id troll = best one |
| 09:30.52 | Mephs | whats a good icicle model? |
| 09:30.53 | onetwo | "now i cant even post on the forums without some madman ordering pizzas to my house" |
| 09:30.54 | onetwo | hahahahah |
| 09:30.57 | onetwo | true |
| 09:30.59 | onetwo | that one is hilarious |
| 09:31.04 | Arthas- | ya |
| 09:31.08 | Arthas- | but the hitler ones are awesome too |
| 09:31.09 | onetwo | it was amazing when that real id stuff came out |
| 09:31.13 | onetwo | how fast these parodies were made |
| 09:31.20 | onetwo | when people are passioante about a subject |
| 09:31.22 | onetwo | everything comes together |
| 09:31.23 | onetwo | so well |
| 09:31.26 | onetwo | passionate* |
| 09:31.40 | Mephs | troll culture for ya |
| 09:31.43 | Arthas- | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfkDxF2kn1I |
| 09:31.46 | Arthas- | :D |
| 09:32.03 | Arthas- | AH FOR FUCK SAKE |
| 09:33.17 | Arthas- | "How about getting a Wii" |
| 09:33.18 | Arthas- | :D |
| 09:34.16 | Arthas- | lol wtf |
| 09:34.22 | Arthas- | "Hitler finds out Pokemon aren't real" |
| 09:34.24 | Arthas- | havent seen this one |
| 09:34.48 | onetwo | hahaha |
| 09:34.56 | Arthas- | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ljur6v7-yoc&feature=related |
| 09:35.02 | Arthas- | watching, prolly good. dont know yet :p |
| 09:35.16 | Arthas- | hahaha |
| 09:35.26 | onetwo | the funniest thing is i had to watch that actual film for my european film class |
| 09:35.39 | Arthas- | Anybody who knew pokemon werent real, leave the room |
| 09:35.50 | Arthas- | 3 guys left ^^ |
| 09:36.42 | Arthas- | its der untergang, right? |
| 09:37.06 | onetwo | lol |
| 09:37.07 | onetwo | yeah |
| 09:37.09 | onetwo | downfall |
| 09:37.20 | onetwo | anyway, night |
| 09:37.23 | Arthas- | night :) |
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| 09:52.22 | Araxnid | In Soviet Russia... Mine craft you! |
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| 10:11.03 | Dekar- | xara! |
| 10:11.21 | Xaragoth | blubb? |
| 10:13.31 | Dekar- | exactly |
| 10:13.48 | Xaragoth | alright |
| 10:13.52 | Xaragoth | the lunatic has a name now!!!! |
| 10:13.58 | Xaragoth | Blizzard's project director for Battle.net: Greg Canessa |
| 10:14.04 | Xaragoth | now |
| 10:14.07 | Xaragoth | Sixen |
| 10:14.11 | Xaragoth | find me that mans adress |
| 10:14.22 | Xaragoth | I shall 'convince' him of BNet 2.0 improvements |
| 10:15.07 | Xaragoth | oh great |
| 10:15.11 | Xaragoth | that explains all of it |
| 10:15.21 | Xaragoth | Prior to Blizzard and some time at PopCap Games, Canessa helped lead development of Microsoft's Xbox Live |
| 10:15.35 | Xaragoth | which is a fucking pain in the ass too |
| 10:15.40 | Xaragoth | no wonder nothing works with battle.net |
| 10:15.57 | Xaragoth | when you put microsoft into the mix, everything has failure |
| 10:17.04 | Araxnid | hahahaha |
| 10:17.08 | Araxnid | crazy fail |
| 10:17.35 | Xaragoth | http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/6197/building_battlenet.php |
| 10:17.37 | Xaragoth | I read this |
| 10:17.44 | Xaragoth | and I want to punch that guy in the face. |
| 10:25.16 | Araxnid | do you think |
| 10:25.24 | Araxnid | they will change popularity system? |
| 10:25.32 | Araxnid | after 3 month? |
| 10:25.56 | Xaragoth | I think what Blizz needs, is a cleanup |
| 10:26.07 | Xaragoth | throwing out the garbage, slimming down the teams and getting fresh blood with new idea |
| 10:26.08 | Xaragoth | s |
| 10:26.31 | Xaragoth | always picking people that "fit in" turns your game into muddy mainstream and it will stop selling sometime. |
| 10:26.37 | Xaragoth | *some time |
| 10:27.14 | Halohalo | They should had this guy on the BlizzCon panel. |
| 10:27.39 | Araxnid | "It was you who develop xbox live?" "Yes, it mes" "BOOM!!" |
| 10:28.55 | Xaragoth | that guy anywhere near the map makers and he'd be mince-meat. |
| 10:29.05 | Xaragoth | we should send Mephs next year... and Rodrigo |
| 10:29.08 | Xaragoth | to say hi to that guy |
| 10:29.20 | Xaragoth | and Sixen to stop them before he's dead :> |
| 10:42.51 | Mephs | who what |
| 10:43.04 | Mephs | who am i killing why am i kililng them and will they drop epics |
| 10:43.35 | Xaragoth | BNet 2.0 Head Dev |
| 10:43.41 | Xaragoth | For Popularity |
| 10:43.51 | Xaragoth | He shall not drop anything besides a Shirt with a Bluescreen on it. |
| 10:44.01 | Mephs | not interested |
| 10:45.37 | Dekar- | he drops lots of money probably |
| 10:45.44 | Mephs | semi interested |
| 10:47.26 | Xaragoth | you can have vjeux as your personal bitch. |
| 10:47.37 | Xaragoth | for saving the map makers around the world, he shall be sacrificed! |
| 10:47.46 | Mephs | lost interest again. |
| 10:48.00 | Xaragoth | but he can clean & cook. at least somewhat. |
| 10:48.15 | Dekar- | he talked on the GDC a month ago about bnet 0.2 |
| 10:48.59 | Mephs | 0.2 sounds about right. |
| 10:50.03 | Xaragoth | they planned that for years and it's so damn important ... and they couldn't do it right? |
| 10:50.18 | Xaragoth | I mean for any regular idiot that doesn't do shit besides 2h of "lets play league", it's perfectly fine |
| 10:50.22 | Xaragoth | for everyone else, it's hell |
| 10:50.29 | Mephs | fuck everyone else |
| 10:50.31 | Mephs | they're gay and different |
| 10:50.40 | Xaragoth | besides the fact that they put you against people with 50 games, when you have 3 games |
| 10:51.37 | Mephs | its based on your placement games |
| 10:51.46 | Xaragoth | I lost all 5 of them. |
| 10:51.51 | Xaragoth | on purpose, to say that. |
| 10:51.55 | Mephs | if you're beating platinum/diamond in your first 5 games its safe to say you'll be put at a high start |
| 10:52.12 | Xaragoth | I'm t3h lowest of the low |
| 10:52.37 | Xaragoth | I self-destructed |
| 10:52.54 | Mephs | ok |
| 10:53.00 | Mephs | so...you're playing against bronzies then |
| 10:53.03 | Mephs | whats the problem? :p |
| 10:53.10 | Mephs | they place you so you'll win/loss about 50% |
| 10:53.50 | Xaragoth | that they put me a against a 50 games done guy with me having won 3 games :< |
| 10:54.21 | Mephs | maybe mr 50 games sucked |
| 10:54.30 | Mephs | 47 more games suckier than you |
| 10:55.47 | Mephs | ok xaragoth your'e a genius with gfxy stuff |
| 10:55.54 | Mephs | how might i get a good "ice lance" effect |
| 10:56.20 | Xaragoth | define |
| 10:56.23 | Xaragoth | like ice-lance spell |
| 10:56.29 | Xaragoth | or ice-lance giant mountain |
| 10:56.30 | Mephs | yea basically |
| 10:56.33 | Mephs | ice lance |
| 10:56.42 | Mephs | the closest thing i got is the sphere model |
| 10:56.47 | Xaragoth | since there is no frost effect in the game ... |
| 10:56.52 | Mephs | scaled flat and stretched |
| 10:56.55 | Xaragoth | I'd try one of the protoss missiles |
| 10:56.57 | Xaragoth | they're blue |
| 10:56.58 | Mephs | it looks kinda like an ice lance |
| 10:57.02 | Mephs | ooo |
| 10:57.04 | Mephs | wait yea |
| 10:57.05 | Araxnid | Mephs |
| 10:57.12 | Araxnid | you map will be ban for using l4d sounds |
| 10:57.21 | Mephs | right |
| 10:57.24 | Mephs | it would have been by now |
| 11:06.08 | Mephs | yea the protoss missile works |
| 11:06.14 | Mephs | i like how it pulses more |
| 11:10.58 | Dekar- | valve and blizzard are so good buddies now with their dotas and zombie stuff, why would they want you to remove your map for sum l4d sounds? :D |
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| 11:22.20 | Araxnid | because |
| 11:22.22 | Araxnid | kotik |
| 11:22.25 | Araxnid | love money |
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| 11:27.20 | Ahmaz | Evening |
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| 11:51.59 | Zarakk | Mornin' |
| 12:13.01 | Dekar- | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4fKNGkoxWM |
| 12:13.02 | Dekar- | omg |
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| 12:31.17 | Arthas- | wtf http://www.af/ |
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| 12:41.40 | sanastro | hello :x |
| 12:50.10 | hyarion | Arthas-: hungry? :P |
| 12:52.07 | hyarion | i thought it was located in .af :( |
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| 14:48.55 | Vulfe | hullo |
| 14:49.12 | Ousnius | hi |
| 14:49.18 | Vulfe | how goes it |
| 14:50.52 | Ousnius | do you mean me? |
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| 16:38.35 | sanastro | i cannot get a text tag to fade out |
| 16:38.56 | sanastro | there is a "set faded transparency of text tag" trigger, but no related trigger to actually fade it out..? |
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| 17:13.54 | RodOfNOD | morning |
| 17:17.27 | Dekar- | evening |
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| 17:48.01 | ShadowTaisho | so quiet... |
| 17:49.53 | Dekar- | BOOOO |
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| 17:54.20 | Xaragoth | throws a duck into the channel. |
| 17:54.23 | Xaragoth | ITS A TRAP |
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| 18:04.28 | Dekar- | OH SNAP |
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| 18:07.20 | RodOfNOD | progammer u there? |
| 18:08.25 | progammer | here |
| 18:08.39 | RodOfNOD | waslooking at ur bdota picker |
| 18:08.50 | RodOfNOD | cuz i want to emulate the help screen |
| 18:09.11 | progammer | help screen is harder |
| 18:09.12 | RodOfNOD | and i was thinking what if u had a black plane model and put the stuff wayhigh inthe sky or evenbelow ground? |
| 18:09.30 | progammer | RodOfNOD: you make sc1 map right ? |
| 18:09.32 | RodOfNOD | well besidesthe fact that their dialog will change size |
| 18:09.36 | progammer | why dont you use the game help menu |
| 18:09.36 | RodOfNOD | well its a mod but yes |
| 18:09.50 | progammer | you can easily add new unit remove unit there |
| 18:09.59 | progammer | with description and model readily |
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| 18:56.18 | PointBlank | so anyone care to point me in the right direction on how to make this work ... i'm familiar with data editing, I just cannot think of a good way to do this: i want to adapt feedback to cost the caster as much as the energy it takes away from the enemy ... up to a max of either units lowest energy |
| 18:57.24 | PointBlank | so you, with 50 energy, cast feedback on a unit with 200 energy, it'll do 100 damage (i'm doubling the feedback dmg) and remove 50 energy from both you and the target |
| 18:57.45 | PointBlank | if the target had 50 energy and you 200, it'd only cost u 50 ... so vice versa |
| 18:59.06 | PointBlank | i started with just modifying the ability cost to nothing, then making feedack damage target do a leech fraction of -1, which removes energy from the caster fine ... but that doesn't work for limiting if the caster has no energy |
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| 19:14.52 | Dekar- | use a trigger |
| 19:14.54 | Dekar- | :D |
| 19:15.46 | PointBlank | hehe was trying to avoid that :P |
| 19:15.57 | Dekar- | but its really easy with a trigger :/ |
| 19:16.23 | Dekar- | dont force yourself to use the stupid data editor ^^ |
| 19:16.47 | PointBlank | but but the elitist data editors here would say otherwise! |
| 19:16.52 | Dekar- | :[ |
| 19:17.12 | Dekar- | i made a missile which explodes a set time after coming near an enemy once |
| 19:17.33 | PointBlank | but yeah i'm probably just gonna leave everything "0" then use triggers to set the appropriate damages |
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| 19:29.56 | Bounty | >< |
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| 20:06.47 | Vail | hello |
| 20:16.19 | Vail | any one interested in creating a new race? |
| 20:19.04 | RodOfNOD | how bout smurfs? |
| 20:19.17 | Vail | smurfs? |
| 20:19.27 | RodOfNOD | ya little blue guys |
| 20:19.56 | Vail | i know but why? |
| 20:20.11 | Hati | because you can. |
| 20:20.15 | RodOfNOD | exactly |
| 20:20.25 | Vail | hmm. |
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| 20:24.42 | Vail | are there any offical art tools? |
| 20:28.37 | Dekar | data editor, actors :[ |
| 20:28.48 | Bounty | Is there a way to turn collision flags on and off on the fly? |
| 20:29.05 | RodOfNOD | nope vail |
| 20:29.14 | RodOfNOD | i have yet to find a way bounty |
| 20:29.24 | Bounty | beat :( |
| 20:29.34 | Vail | that sucks |
| 20:29.34 | progammer_ | Bounty: no, same with mover |
| 20:29.37 | RodOfNOD | i have yet to find a way bounty |
| 20:29.44 | RodOfNOD | try 2 units |
| 20:29.54 | RodOfNOD | one has it one doesntand insta morph |
| 20:30.11 | Bounty | well i wanted to do an ability that lets u slice right through someone |
| 20:30.14 | Bounty | like a charge |
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| 20:44.13 | FockeWulf | anyone need a map tested? |
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| 20:47.57 | FockeWulf | anyone? |
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| 20:58.46 | progammer_ | how do i make an ability cost the entire mana pool, no matter how much max mana it has ? |
| 20:59.02 | progammer_ | ie mana cost = max mana |
| 20:59.30 | Bibendus | http://events.mlgpro.com/takeovers/procircuit/titles/starcraft?site_id=mlgpro |
| 20:59.32 | Bibendus | omg |
| 20:59.43 | Bibendus | these US spots are hilarious |
| 20:59.45 | Bibendus | xD |
| 20:59.58 | Bibendus | i can't stop watching them |
| 21:01.01 | Bibendus | progammer |
| 21:01.04 | Bibendus | energy fraction |
| 21:01.04 | Bibendus | 100 |
| 21:01.19 | Bibendus | use Vital Fractions instead of Vitals |
| 21:01.28 | Bibendus | progammer_ |
| 21:01.45 | progammer_ | Bibendus: thanks |
| 21:01.54 | Bibendus | progammer_: you are welcome |
| 21:01.55 | Bibendus | xD |
| 21:02.04 | Bibendus | plz now make a thread |
| 21:02.11 | Bibendus | to start a new voting on blizzard map contest entries |
| 21:03.29 | progammer_ | you can do that yourself, though there can only be 10 polls per thread |
| 21:03.53 | FockeWulf | programmer |
| 21:03.55 | Bibendus | before the poll |
| 21:03.59 | Bibendus | we need the thread |
| 21:04.02 | FockeWulf | there is a field for mana fraction |
| 21:04.04 | Bibendus | to include all entries |
| 21:04.08 | FockeWulf | in i think the ability cost |
| 21:04.09 | Bibendus | like normal contest |
| 21:04.10 | Bibendus | s |
| 21:04.13 | FockeWulf | simply set that to 100% |
| 21:04.15 | Bibendus | already said it :D |
| 21:04.32 | FockeWulf | >.> |
| 21:04.33 | FockeWulf | dang |
| 21:04.34 | FockeWulf | btw |
| 21:04.38 | FockeWulf | does anyone need a map tested? |
| 21:04.57 | progammer_ | FockeWulf: and you just got yourself in trouble for spelling my name wrong |
| 21:05.04 | FockeWulf | >.> |
| 21:05.11 | FockeWulf | ok SORRY jeez |
| 21:07.28 | Bibendus | http://events.mlgpro.com/takeovers/procircuit/titles/starcraft?site_id=mlgpro |
| 21:07.47 | Bibendus | prog |
| 21:07.49 | Bibendus | you know your nick sucks |
| 21:07.52 | Bibendus | and u seem a programmer |
| 21:07.53 | Bibendus | :D |
| 21:08.04 | Bibendus | maybe you are |
| 21:09.10 | Bibendus | huk vs ret |
| 21:09.13 | Bibendus | rat |
| 21:09.14 | Bibendus | wtf is that |
| 21:09.17 | Bibendus | xD |
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| 21:12.26 | Bibendus | . |
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| 21:19.37 | Bibendus | rat pwns |
| 21:27.02 | Sixen | ~seen rrowland |
| 21:27.08 | purl | rrowland is currently on #sc2mapster (37m 49s), last said: 'what do you mean interrupt'. |
| 21:27.23 | Sixen | lol rrowland... I didn't even hear you say, "Sixen come find me." |
| 21:27.24 | Bibendus | 2 much! |
| 21:28.15 | Bibendus | ~seen redmarine |
| 21:28.16 | purl | redmarine <~IceChat7@217.172.86.105> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 5d 4h 42m 2s ago, saying: 'Thanks'. |
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| 21:29.01 | sanastro | god i hate dialogs |
| 21:29.12 | sanastro | there was some map which allowed you to test them ingame and get the values straight away |
| 21:29.16 | sanastro | but i cant find it anymore |
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| 21:29.26 | sanastro | anyone have an idea what it was? |
| 21:34.53 | Mephs | help me john paul, you're my only pope |
| 21:39.06 | ZarafFaraz | ~seen Dryeyece |
| 21:39.10 | purl | dryeyece <45130e14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.19.14.20> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 4d 13h 6m 15s ago, saying: 'woot I made my first two cinematics!'. |
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| 21:59.15 | FockeWulf | dialogs? |
| 21:59.16 | FockeWulf | hate em? |
| 21:59.34 | FockeWulf | hmm |
| 22:00.01 | FockeWulf | i wrote some code that would automatically add buttons in the right places and expand the box for each button i added |
| 22:00.26 | FockeWulf | well buttons text etc >.> |
| 22:00.41 | FockeWulf | the only ones i hate are those stupid list type dialog boxes |
| 22:00.42 | FockeWulf | >.> |
| 22:01.07 | FockeWulf | course that is probably the best way to do an in-game lobby system |
| 22:01.13 | FockeWulf | cause you can use that as a chat >.> |
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| 22:04.33 | C-H | tryin to get doodads lookin rusty using the custom color... O.o http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1339392/Terrain%20009.jpg |
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| 22:06.13 | Bounty | >< |
| 22:08.57 | currydevil | not the immortal! |
| 22:09.39 | Bounty | If i set camera bounds to a region would that work like camera collision? |
| 22:34.46 | Mephs | ha! |
| 22:34.47 | Mephs | i've done it |
| 22:34.56 | Mephs | dynamic missile launching |
| 22:35.33 | Mephs | if you click a target point at the same height the missile will launch across gaps |
| 22:38.25 | Mephs | but if you click from the top of a cliff |
| 22:38.32 | Mephs | and aim at a point on the ground it will move in a straight line towards that point |
| 22:38.38 | Mephs | and collide with terrain |
| 22:38.50 | Mephs | 90% data editor |
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| 22:46.11 | sanastro | hnnnng gosh darn dialog system |
| 22:49.58 | Bibendus | trigger |
| 22:50.00 | Bibendus | 5 mins |
| 22:50.06 | Bibendus | :D |
| 22:50.53 | Bibendus | data editor |
| 22:50.55 | Bibendus | 1 week |
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| 22:54.06 | progammer | what's a good tint color for frozen effect |
| 22:54.17 | progammer | ? |
| 22:56.10 | Mephs | blue? |
| 23:02.01 | Bounty | lol |
| 23:02.21 | Mephs | heres one for you |
| 23:02.44 | Mephs | how do i get a missile mover to completely ignore terrain height? it moves towards my targetfine, but when it hits a cliff it looks like it follows the cliff terrain |
| 23:02.49 | Mephs | for a moment before returning to its normal height |
| 23:03.23 | Mephs | i've got ignore terrain checked on all of the mover phases |
| 23:03.35 | Bounty | is it a unit? |
| 23:03.38 | Bounty | like the missile |
| 23:03.43 | Mephs | i've got ignore terrain height checked on the missile |
| 23:03.44 | Mephs | yes |
| 23:03.51 | Bounty | wierd... |
| 23:03.55 | Bounty | that should do it lol |
| 23:03.58 | Bounty | thats what i did |
| 23:04.13 | Mephs | it just sort of bounces at cliffs momentarily |
| 23:04.51 | Bounty | stupid question but is ignore terrain height checked under the standard unit flags? |
| 23:05.02 | Bounty | because thats all i had to do |
| 23:05.05 | Bounty | and it worked |
| 23:05.09 | Mephs | oh wait |
| 23:05.11 | Mephs | nvm the missile is fine |
| 23:05.13 | Mephs | its the glow |
| 23:05.32 | Bounty | actor not following? lol |
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| 23:05.43 | Mephs | well |
| 23:05.47 | Mephs | the missile has a trail |
| 23:05.49 | progammer | blue doesnt works so well |
| 23:05.57 | Mephs | that makes an actor at every time it fires the search area effect |
| 23:06.00 | Mephs | ... |
| 23:06.01 | Mephs | ohhhhhh hm |
| 23:06.16 | Mephs | lemme try at caster term |
| 23:06.25 | Bounty | prog |
| 23:06.26 | Mephs | or at missile |
| 23:06.34 | Bounty | maybe use the Active Crystal effect? |
| 23:06.45 | Bounty | looks pretty good for a frozen |
| 23:06.51 | progammer | what was that ? |
| 23:07.07 | Bounty | open up a random model and view it |
| 23:07.10 | Bounty | then use the browser |
| 23:07.12 | Bounty | and look up |
| 23:07.14 | Bounty | ActiveCrystal |
| 23:07.21 | progammer | hm minerals |
| 23:07.23 | sanastro | i just had labels showing up perfectly on my dialog |
| 23:07.38 | sanastro | then i added some more (simply copypasted the ones that worked and changed the text and position values) and now they simply no longer appear |
| 23:07.41 | sanastro | dialog is empty |
| 23:07.42 | sanastro | ??? |
| 23:07.51 | Bounty | now that i look at it prog |
| 23:07.53 | progammer | why you all tell me to use partivle model |
| 23:07.54 | Bounty | it would look perfect lol |
| 23:08.07 | Bounty | even at its default color it would look nice :) |
| 23:08.21 | Bounty | definently has a "ive been frozen" look to it |
| 23:08.23 | Mephs | well blue typically is a color associated with ice. |
| 23:08.38 | Bounty | yeah ActiveCrystals default is a light blue |
| 23:08.40 | Mephs | thereee we go |
| 23:08.51 | sanastro | in world of warcraft stuff is tinted dark blue when its chilled |
| 23:09.07 | sanastro | tint-wise its really the only thing that works |
| 23:09.19 | Bounty | if u use ActiveCrystal effect u wouldnt even have to tint |
| 23:09.23 | Bounty | its a graphic |
| 23:09.27 | Bounty | looks pretty sweet |
| 23:09.34 | sanastro | yeah, just saying since he asked for tints first |
| 23:09.40 | Bibendus | whoa |
| 23:09.47 | Bibendus | i did the ground claim trigger |
| 23:09.48 | Bibendus | yey |
| 23:09.54 | sanastro | nice |
| 23:10.03 | sanastro | if only i got those dialogs working so i could release my stupid map ;_; |
| 23:10.21 | Bibendus | its just place a frame here and an image there |
| 23:10.21 | progammer | i got 0,128,255 |
| 23:10.41 | Bounty | did you look up that effect prog? |
| 23:10.50 | progammer | Bounty: it looks more like glow |
| 23:10.56 | progammer | beside i need to tint the entire model |
| 23:11.08 | Bibendus | activecrystal effect? |
| 23:11.11 | Bibendus | what effect is that |
| 23:11.13 | Bibendus | :O |
| 23:11.19 | Bounty | i think its one of the hidden ones |
| 23:11.29 | Bounty | like if u view a units model in the viewer |
| 23:11.33 | Bounty | and use that browser |
| 23:11.36 | Bibendus | whats used for? |
| 23:11.39 | Bounty | look under the effects folder |
| 23:11.42 | Bounty | no idea lol |
| 23:11.47 | Bounty | tons of effects in that folder ive never seen |
| 23:11.49 | progammer | for harversting mineral |
| 23:11.53 | sanastro | http://www.abload.de/img/dialogstuff1kraa.jpg can anyone find a problem in that? :x |
| 23:12.06 | sanastro | the portrait appears, so does the dialog frame |
| 23:12.23 | sanastro | after all of that there just another line to Show the dialog in question |
| 23:12.38 | Bounty | u know whats wierd |
| 23:12.41 | Bounty | if u do what i just said |
| 23:12.44 | progammer | sanastro: comment your code or ppl might have seizure reading it |
| 23:12.45 | Bounty | u can find Dragoon effects |
| 23:12.48 | Bounty | like wtf? |
| 23:12.50 | Bounty | Dragoon? |
| 23:12.51 | Bounty | lol |
| 23:12.53 | progammer | yep there are |
| 23:12.58 | Bibendus | bounty |
| 23:13.02 | Bibendus | what's the path |
| 23:13.04 | progammer | the purifier |
| 23:13.06 | progammer | etc |
| 23:13.10 | progammer | scraped unit |
| 23:13.13 | Bounty | u know how if ur in the data editor Bib |
| 23:13.23 | Bounty | and u double click the units model file it opens up that browser? |
| 23:13.24 | Bibendus | oh i want the fucking search |
| 23:13.28 | Bibendus | in the fucking previewer |
| 23:13.31 | Bibendus | i just asked to make it quicker |
| 23:13.32 | Bounty | yeah |
| 23:13.32 | Bibendus | :D |
| 23:13.41 | Bounty | thats how u get to it lol |
| 23:13.46 | Bounty | browse its at the top |
| 23:13.50 | sanastro | progammer theres a pattern - its just multiple lines of text being written one after another |
| 23:13.51 | Bounty | folder is called Effects |
| 23:13.59 | sanastro | multiple labels |
| 23:14.02 | Bounty | Assets/Effects |
| 23:14.09 | sanastro | theyre all the same, just with different text and position values |
| 23:14.17 | sanastro | even the ones that were appearing before now don't anymore |
| 23:14.22 | sanastro | i have no idea how or why |
| 23:15.35 | Bibendus | oh just a small blue glow |
| 23:15.45 | Bibendus | sanastro |
| 23:15.51 | Bibendus | u should make a screen of the bugged UI |
| 23:16.06 | sanastro | coming up! |
| 23:17.39 | sanastro | http://www.abload.de/img/dialogstuff2asr2.jpg the portrait + window in the middle are drawn by the script in question |
| 23:17.44 | sanastro | on the window there should be text, but there ISNT |
| 23:20.52 | sanastro | http://www.abload.de/img/dialogstuff3vb4m.jpg deobfuscated trigger :x |
| 23:21.47 | Bibendus | do u know |
| 23:22.00 | Bibendus | that triggers order counts for guis? |
| 23:22.08 | Bibendus | i didnt read the whole thing but |
| 23:22.12 | Bibendus | if you write a text |
| 23:22.14 | Bibendus | and then place a frame |
| 23:22.19 | progammer | yeah i implemented bejeweled twist |
| 23:22.20 | Bibendus | the frame goes over the text |
| 23:22.30 | Bibendus | dunno what it is soo |
| 23:22.31 | Bibendus | :D |
| 23:22.32 | sanastro | i first created the dialog, then placed the text |
| 23:22.40 | Bounty | Hey Bib |
| 23:22.43 | Bibendus | not just for dialog |
| 23:22.47 | Bibendus | what bounty |
| 23:22.51 | Bibendus | even with images |
| 23:22.53 | Bibendus | or whatever |
| 23:22.56 | Bibendus | u place |
| 23:23.02 | Bounty | If there a way to pick a random number in a trigger then do actions if a certain number is picked? |
| 23:23.05 | Bibendus | will cover things placed before |
| 23:23.12 | sanastro | well then the text placed last should cover up the rest? |
| 23:23.14 | sanastro | it doesnt |
| 23:23.16 | Bibendus | mmm |
| 23:23.18 | sanastro | it's also gonee |
| 23:23.28 | Bibendus | random integer and reals |
| 23:23.30 | Bibendus | are in the game |
| 23:23.35 | Bibendus | what do u want to do bounty |
| 23:23.41 | Bounty | yeah but i only found Pick Each integer |
| 23:23.46 | Bibendus | sanastro did u try |
| 23:23.47 | Bounty | well i use triggers for my AI |
| 23:23.50 | Bibendus | to place other things for debug |
| 23:23.52 | Bibendus | in random places |
| 23:23.53 | Bibendus | ? |
| 23:23.55 | Bounty | but right now they are on periodic events |
| 23:23.55 | sanastro | set var = random integer between x and y |
| 23:23.59 | Bounty | so what i want to do it |
| 23:24.01 | sanastro | switch (var) |
| 23:24.06 | Bounty | have one trigger for the AI's abilities |
| 23:24.07 | sanastro | case 1: do stuff |
| 23:24.09 | sanastro | case 2: do other stuff |
| 23:24.11 | Bounty | but have it pick a random number |
| 23:24.14 | sanastro | default: do stuff if none of the numbers is picked |
| 23:24.20 | Bounty | n do the ability that goes with that number |
| 23:24.22 | Bounty | so like |
| 23:24.25 | Bounty | if 1 is picked do a melee |
| 23:24.30 | Bounty | if 2 is picked do a ranged |
| 23:24.32 | Bounty | etc |
| 23:24.33 | Bibendus | just roll random number |
| 23:24.45 | Bounty | how? |
| 23:24.47 | Bounty | lol |
| 23:24.50 | Bibendus | sanastro |
| 23:24.54 | sanastro | use what i wrote :x |
| 23:24.54 | Bounty | i can only find pick each integer |
| 23:24.54 | Bibendus | just said it to u |
| 23:24.55 | Bibendus | :D |
| 23:25.07 | Bibendus | set an int var |
| 23:25.10 | Bibendus | = random number between x and y |
| 23:25.11 | sanastro | use a local variable, set it to a random integer and then use switches |
| 23:25.16 | Bibendus | then use a switch |
| 23:25.29 | Bibendus | u can even don't use a variable if u want |
| 23:25.30 | Bounty | never used a switch before |
| 23:25.34 | Bounty | lol |
| 23:25.35 | Bibendus | TLO vs kimikaki |
| 23:25.35 | sanastro | its like an if then else |
| 23:25.38 | Bounty | i assume its easy?? |
| 23:25.46 | sanastro | make one and find out! |
| 23:25.46 | Bibendus | switch is eeasy |
| 23:25.48 | Bibendus | its lik an |
| 23:25.53 | Bibendus | if X = 1 |
| 23:25.56 | Bibendus | else if X = 2 |
| 23:25.58 | Bibendus | else if X = 3 |
| 23:26.02 | Bibendus | u just say |
| 23:26.04 | Bibendus | switch X |
| 23:26.05 | Bibendus | and say |
| 23:26.07 | Bibendus | if 1 => |
| 23:26.08 | Bibendus | if 2 => |
| 23:26.10 | Bibendus | if 3 => |
| 23:26.28 | Bounty | alright i think i got it |
| 23:26.29 | sanastro | Switch (Actions) depending on (Number of bananas on the table) |
| 23:26.30 | Bibendus | it's easier to read |
| 23:26.32 | sanastro | -Cases: |
| 23:26.34 | sanastro | If (4) |
| 23:26.35 | Bounty | i make a variable that is a random integer |
| 23:26.40 | Bibendus | but u can only use simple conditions |
| 23:26.41 | Bounty | and set the switch value to that integer? |
| 23:26.42 | sanastro | Message - "There's 4 bananas on the table." |
| 23:26.45 | sanastro | If (3) |
| 23:26.46 | Bibendus | yep |
| 23:26.49 | Bibendus | no u set |
| 23:26.51 | Bibendus | switch |
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| 23:26.52 | sanastro | Message - "There's 3 bananas on the table." |
| 23:26.53 | sanastro | etc |
| 23:26.54 | Bibendus | variable |
| 23:26.58 | Bibendus | and make each case with each integer |
| 23:27.01 | Bibendus | ctrl + M |
| 23:27.08 | Bibendus | to add cases |
| 23:27.15 | Bibendus | inside the switch |
| 23:27.26 | sanastro | [00:23:59] <Bibendus> to place other things for debug <- mm? |
| 23:27.26 | Bounty | ok so cases are just conditions |
| 23:27.27 | Bibendus | switch X |
| 23:27.34 | Bibendus | case 1: do first order |
| 23:27.38 | Bibendus | case 2: do second order |
| 23:27.48 | Bibendus | sanastro |
| 23:27.53 | Bibendus | try to place other objects in your ui |
| 23:27.54 | Bibendus | in random places |
| 23:27.59 | Bibendus | and random orders |
| 23:28.08 | Bibendus | often to fix something u don't see it's the simpliest way |
| 23:28.10 | Bibendus | debug :D |
| 23:28.25 | Bibendus | in ui you can't use print messages |
| 23:28.37 | Bibendus | so placing UI images/texts is the only way |
| 23:29.31 | Bibendus | watching tlo |
| 23:31.09 | Bibendus | http://events.mlgpro.com/takeovers/procircuit/titles/starcraft?site_id=mlgpro |
| 23:32.59 | sanastro | "Last created XYZ" stays within the trigger, right? |
| 23:33.38 | Bibendus | TLO PWNSSSSSS |
| 23:33.49 | Bibendus | last created XYZ? |
| 23:33.54 | Bibendus | whats that |
| 23:33.57 | Bibendus | last created point? |
| 23:34.04 | sanastro | last created whatever |
| 23:34.05 | sanastro | dialog, dialog item |
| 23:34.08 | Bibendus | y |
| 23:34.10 | Bibendus | all last created |
| 23:34.14 | sanastro | alright |
| 23:34.15 | Bibendus | and triggering unit or whatever |
| 23:34.15 | sanastro | found the bug |
| 23:34.21 | Bibendus | stay inside the trigger |
| 23:34.31 | sanastro | the height of the label items simply wasnt large enough |
| 23:34.33 | sanastro | for them to display |
| 23:34.40 | sanastro | though thats weird, they should at least be just cut off |
| 23:34.43 | sanastro | instead of vanishing entirely |
| 23:34.44 | sanastro | oh well |
| 23:34.51 | Bibendus | :P |
| 23:34.54 | Bibendus | debug always workz |
| 23:35.14 | allenmelon | hey how does the guest button work? |
| 23:35.29 | Bibendus | guest button? :O |
| 23:35.33 | allenmelon | my friend says that if he uses someones bnet account to log in once on his computer, he can play as guest afterwards |
| 23:35.41 | Bibendus | oh |
| 23:35.46 | Bibendus | it should be something like a trial |
| 23:35.54 | allenmelon | is that true? |
| 23:36.01 | Bibendus | why not? :D |
| 23:36.07 | allenmelon | that once u log in once, u can log in as guest without the account afterwards? |
| 23:36.29 | Bibendus | StarCraft 2 Demo Guest Key - 7 Hours Playtime / 14 days from activation - Friend Invite |
| 23:36.36 | allenmelon | no not that |
| 23:36.41 | allenmelon | he says he already used that |
| 23:36.49 | allenmelon | but he says that if he uses an account to log in |
| 23:36.50 | Bounty | lol i found another way to do the random integer thing Bib |
| 23:36.53 | Bounty | as usually my way is lazy |
| 23:37.02 | allenmelon | then he can play again afterwards without limit as a "guest" |
| 23:37.02 | Bibendus | what? |
| 23:37.06 | Bibendus | and why not using random integer? |
| 23:37.07 | Bounty | Set Variable to Random Integer lol |
| 23:37.16 | Bounty | then if then else |
| 23:37.20 | Bounty | If Variable = this |
| 23:37.21 | Bounty | do that |
| 23:37.25 | Bibendus | mm we said u to set variable = random |
| 23:37.37 | Bibendus | just use switch instead of IF |
| 23:37.39 | Bounty | yeah but u said something about a switch |
| 23:37.41 | Bounty | :) |
| 23:37.48 | Bibendus | use switch instead of if |
| 23:37.49 | Bibendus | believe me |
| 23:37.52 | Bibendus | its finest |
| 23:37.53 | Bibendus | :D |
| 23:37.53 | Bounty | is there a big diff? |
| 23:37.56 | Bounty | whats the diff? |
| 23:38.00 | Bibendus | more readable |
| 23:38.07 | Bibendus | maybe more efficient dunno |
| 23:38.12 | Bibendus | i doubt |
| 23:38.15 | Bibendus | sure more readable |
| 23:38.26 | Bibendus | and u learn a basic programming condition |
| 23:38.49 | sanastro | allenmelon |
| 23:38.59 | Bibendus | and for example |
| 23:39.01 | sanastro | iirc the guest accounts are basically just separate single-player profiles |
| 23:39.05 | Bibendus | if you can change the variable |
| 23:39.13 | Bibendus | and all conditions will be auto updated |
| 23:39.16 | Bibendus | to match the new variable |
| 23:39.17 | Bibendus | ;) |
| 23:39.21 | Bibendus | u ll never do that but |
| 23:39.23 | Bibendus | u can xD |
| 23:39.29 | Bounty | lol |
| 23:39.37 | Bibendus | else u should change |
| 23:39.38 | Bounty | u guys always seem to make stuff that is future proof |
| 23:39.42 | Bibendus | all conditions |
| 23:39.50 | Bibendus | i always do future proofs things |
| 23:40.03 | Bibendus | specially on my DK map :D |
| 23:40.05 | Bounty | meh i usually jsut get it to do what i want n thats it lol |
| 23:40.15 | Bibendus | try the switch |
| 23:40.17 | Bibendus | u ll like it |
| 23:40.18 | Bibendus | :D |
| 23:41.11 | Bounty | ill give it a shot |
| 23:41.22 | Bounty | all i know is im surprised i managed to make AI with triggers lol |
| 23:41.31 | Bounty | well.. not really AI |
| 23:41.36 | Bounty | but they do shit |
| 23:41.38 | Bounty | lolol |
| 23:42.00 | allenmelon | sanastro: so its true that my friend can play single player offline forever without buying it? |
| 23:43.45 | sanastro | i cant give you any guarantee :x |
| 23:43.52 | sanastro | he could just, yknow, try! |
| 23:44.41 | allenmelon | http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/cv7l0/ |
| 23:44.46 | allenmelon | i think thats what hes talking about |
| 23:45.04 | allenmelon | pretty weird how blizz didnt block that hole? |
| 23:45.10 | Bibendus | ninja roaches! |
| 23:45.19 | Bounty | god this is so awesome |
| 23:45.24 | Bounty | 6 triggers combine into 2 |
| 23:45.24 | allenmelon | ohai bounty |
| 23:45.26 | sanastro | havent they always said sc2 will be playable offline |
| 23:45.30 | Bounty | Hiya allen :) |
| 23:45.31 | sanastro | but with diminished features |
| 23:45.43 | Bounty | u know what kicks ass Bib? |
| 23:45.46 | Bounty | Now it looks like its AI lol |
| 23:45.53 | Bibendus | i suppose |
| 23:45.56 | Bounty | they used to do abilities based off Periodic Events |
| 23:45.57 | Bibendus | its only for multiplayer game |
| 23:45.58 | Bibendus | dunno |
| 23:46.05 | Bounty | Now its random |
| 23:46.09 | *** part/#sc2mapster TKC (~The_Kc@p57994A0D.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 23:46.15 | allenmelon | sotis is always dragging me in |
| 23:46.23 | Bounty | So i can make a boss have a "chance" to do a super ability rather then make it definent |
| 23:47.18 | Bounty | making maps just for u is so much more fun lol |
| 23:47.19 | allenmelon | maybe its cause its dota, first experience with dota |
| 23:47.28 | Bibendus | bounty |
| 23:47.30 | Bibendus | its too simple |
| 23:47.30 | Bibendus | :D |
| 23:47.34 | Bibendus | u should make |
| 23:47.38 | *** join/#sc2mapster poiuy_qwert (~poiuy_qwe@CPE001b115db0ae-CM0018c0c24ffc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 23:47.44 | Bibendus | chances of casting each ability |
| 23:47.47 | Bibendus | with real and not integer |
| 23:47.56 | Bibendus | and |
| 23:48.02 | Bibendus | use cooldowns for each ability |
| 23:48.04 | Bounty | thats what this is |
| 23:48.06 | Bibendus | inside the trigger |
| 23:48.11 | Bounty | right now these mobs only have 2 abilities |
| 23:48.14 | Bounty | and it picks 1-4 |
| 23:48.16 | Bibendus | oh that sucks |
| 23:48.17 | Bibendus | :D |
| 23:48.18 | Bounty | if it picks 2 thats a super ability |
| 23:48.22 | Bounty | the rest is just normal |
| 23:48.26 | Bibendus | and why |
| 23:48.28 | Bounty | well this is a big map :) |
| 23:48.30 | Bibendus | didnt u do |
| 23:48.32 | Bibendus | a pick 1-2 |
| 23:48.42 | Bounty | so 2 has a lesser chance of coming up |
| 23:48.44 | Bibendus | and make 1 special ability |
| 23:48.45 | Bibendus | 2 normal |
| 23:48.46 | Bounty | bc its a super ability lol |
| 23:48.53 | Bibendus | 1-4 |
| 23:48.57 | Bibendus | and u split it into |
| 23:49.00 | Bibendus | 1-2 and 3-4 |
| 23:49.02 | Bibendus | its the same |
| 23:49.02 | Bibendus | xD |
| 23:49.09 | FockeWulf | hey ive got a little issue with my 3p movement system. I have it creating a thread, but for some reason it creates 3 threads for every player in the game, and it should only be doing 1 thread per person, anyone know what im doing wrong? |
| 23:49.18 | Bounty | not sure i follow :) |
| 23:49.24 | Bibendus | 3p? |
| 23:49.24 | Bounty | why split it? |
| 23:49.34 | Bibendus | oh if u just pick 2 |
| 23:49.36 | Bibendus | not 1-2 |
| 23:49.37 | Bibendus | k |
| 23:49.37 | Bibendus | :D |
| 23:49.42 | Bibendus | i dont get why u did |
| 23:49.43 | Bounty | it was 1-2 |
| 23:49.44 | Bibendus | 2 special attack |
| 23:49.49 | Bibendus | and then |
| 23:49.50 | Bibendus | u have |
| 23:49.52 | Bibendus | 1-2 special attack |
| 23:49.55 | Bounty | because one is a normal and one is a super ability |
| 23:49.55 | Bibendus | 3-4 normal attack |
| 23:50.00 | Bounty | ok let me explain |
| 23:50.01 | Bibendus | right? |
| 23:50.05 | Bounty | if it picks 1,3 or 4 |
| 23:50.07 | Bounty | its a normal attack |
| 23:50.09 | Bounty | if it picks 2 |
| 23:50.11 | Bibendus | why 2 |
| 23:50.12 | Bibendus | LOL |
| 23:50.12 | Bounty | its a super ability |
| 23:50.17 | Bounty | why not? |
| 23:50.20 | *** join/#sc2mapster Erzz0n (~Erzz0n@h-211-133.A222.priv.bahnhof.se) |
| 23:50.21 | Bounty | it picks a random number |
| 23:50.24 | Bibendus | why not 666 |
| 23:50.25 | Bibendus | lol |
| 23:50.27 | Bounty | lol |
| 23:50.34 | Bibendus | holy shitz |
| 23:50.37 | Bounty | so it has a 1/4 chance of super that ability |
| 23:50.39 | Bibendus | i hate disorders |
| 23:50.40 | Bibendus | :D |
| 23:50.44 | Bibendus | but pick 1 |
| 23:50.45 | Bibendus | pick 4 |
| 23:50.46 | Bibendus | not 2 |
| 23:50.47 | Bibendus | :O |
| 23:50.51 | Bounty | y? lol |
| 23:50.56 | Bibendus | y |
| 23:50.57 | Bounty | its still random |
| 23:51.03 | Bounty | same chance as picking 1 as 2 |
| 23:51.06 | Bibendus | it's messy |
| 23:51.15 | Bibendus | imagine u need to add |
| 23:51.22 | Bibendus | other 2 skills |
| 23:51.25 | Bibendus | with random numbers |
| 23:51.35 | Bounty | o ok i see what ur saying |
| 23:51.38 | Bibendus | u increase the random range to 1-10 |
| 23:51.39 | Bounty | makes it more organized lol |
| 23:51.43 | Bibendus | lol |
| 23:51.46 | Bibendus | then what would u do? |
| 23:51.53 | Bibendus | i pick 2-5-7 for special attack |
| 23:51.56 | Bibendus | 3-8 for normal attack |
| 23:51.57 | Bibendus | lol |
| 23:52.00 | Bounty | man ive had some sloppy maps |
| 23:52.04 | Bounty | and i was able to navigate |
| 23:52.04 | Bibendus | :D |
| 23:52.06 | Bounty | lol |
| 23:52.14 | Bibendus | I understand why they are sloppy |
| 23:52.15 | Bibendus | lol |
| 23:52.19 | Bounty | >< |
| 23:52.23 | Bibendus | i think |
| 23:52.26 | Bounty | they work though thats all i care about |
| 23:52.32 | Bibendus | its another "think to the future" thing |
| 23:52.43 | Bounty | yeah |
| 23:52.50 | Bibendus | learn to work thinking to what u can do in the future |
| 23:52.55 | Bibendus | it costs nothing |
| 23:53.04 | Bounty | well this project has been in my head since beta |
| 23:53.05 | Bibendus | and u don't waste time if u need to change something |
| 23:53.07 | Bounty | i just never made it |
| 23:53.14 | Bibendus | it'll be soo messy |
| 23:53.15 | Bibendus | :D |
| 23:53.22 | Bounty | not in game it wont lol |
| 23:53.24 | Bounty | ;) |
| 23:53.30 | Bounty | but i do understand what ur saying |
| 23:53.59 | Bounty | im making this my one project lol |
| 23:54.05 | Bounty | going to work on it until pop list is fixed |
| 23:54.45 | Bibendus | queen winzzzzzzzzzzz |
| 23:54.47 | Bounty | I think it could very well be the wierdest or most unique combat system ever maaade :) |
| 23:54.53 | Bounty | im going with wierdest |
| 23:55.03 | Bibendus | it will just suck |
| 23:55.05 | Bibendus | as other mapz |
| 23:55.06 | Bibendus | ahuahua |
| 23:55.10 | Bounty | nope |
| 23:55.14 | Bounty | :) |
| 23:55.46 | Bibendus | it will |
| 23:55.48 | Bibendus | dk will pwn all |
| 23:55.53 | Bounty | What is DK? |
| 23:55.57 | Bibendus | dungeon keeper |
| 23:55.57 | Bibendus | oh sry |
| 23:56.00 | Bibendus | hive keeper |
| 23:56.00 | Bibendus | :D |
| 23:56.09 | Bounty | well thats a totally diff genre lol |
| 23:56.20 | Bounty | this is for small groups of friends who want a challenge |
| 23:56.23 | Bibendus | but it will pwn the list |
| 23:56.36 | Bounty | im not making this for the list :) |
| 23:56.41 | Bounty | its not even going on the list lol |
| 23:56.42 | Bounty | ever |
| 23:56.48 | Bounty | unless they change the system |
| 23:56.51 | *** part/#sc2mapster Erzz0n (~Erzz0n@h-211-133.A222.priv.bahnhof.se) |
| 23:56.53 | Bounty | BUT |
| 23:56.57 | Bounty | i do miss Dungeon Keeper :) |
| 23:56.57 | Bibendus | it will pwn |
| 23:56.59 | Bibendus | everything |
| 23:57.05 | Bibendus | just because |
| 23:57.20 | Bibendus | i m going to make it soooo replayable |
| 23:57.22 | Bibendus | u can't imagine |
| 23:57.22 | Bibendus | :D |
| 23:57.23 | Bounty | You automaticaly will have a fanbase |
| 23:57.25 | Bounty | Even if it sucks |
| 23:57.26 | RodOfNOD | anyone know how to make windows 7 search the inside of a file that it doesnt think its a text file but really is? |
| 23:57.28 | Bounty | you know why? |
| 23:57.29 | Bibendus | it wont |
| 23:57.35 | Bounty | People have wanted Dungeon Keeper 3 for like 13 years |
| 23:57.39 | Bounty | So you instantly have them |
| 23:57.40 | Bibendus | lol |
| 23:57.41 | Bounty | lol |
| 23:57.44 | Bibendus | ye but |
| 23:57.46 | Bibendus | 1) i pwn |
| 23:57.47 | P_R_DELTOID | except for |
| 23:57.48 | Bibendus | 2) i pwn |
| 23:57.53 | P_R_DELTOID | Dungeon Keeper 3 is coming out next year |
| 23:57.55 | P_R_DELTOID | soooo |
| 23:57.56 | P_R_DELTOID | I dunno man |
| 23:58.02 | Bounty | yeah but who wants to wait |
| 23:58.02 | Bibendus | 3) i will implement many game modes and levels in the same map |
| 23:58.07 | Bibendus | its dungeons |
| 23:58.08 | P_R_DELTOID | certainly not me |
| 23:58.11 | Bibendus | and it seems sucky |
| 23:58.12 | Bibendus | :D |
| 23:58.13 | Bounty | Its like if someone made a Diablo 3 map |
| 23:58.13 | P_R_DELTOID | I want someone to make an evil genius game |
| 23:58.16 | P_R_DELTOID | without that overworld shit |
| 23:58.38 | Bounty | im making a co op arena map with a king hearts/star ocean view |
| 23:58.45 | Bounty | kingdom hearts* |
| 23:58.49 | Bounty | it actually works lol |
| 23:58.53 | Bounty | no stupid camera issues |
| 23:59.02 | sanastro | theres a dungeon keeper tribute coming |
| 23:59.06 | sanastro | called just Dungeons |
| 23:59.10 | Bibendus | ye |
| 23:59.13 | sanastro | you can sign up for the closed beta somewhere |
| 23:59.13 | Bibendus | talking about that |
| 23:59.15 | sanastro | o |
| 23:59.17 | Bounty | speaking of which |
| 23:59.27 | Bounty | You know what looks cool? And im kinda pissed nobody has made this in sc2 yet |
| 23:59.31 | Bounty | Dungeon Defenders |
| 23:59.40 | Bounty | third person tower defense |
| 23:59.45 | Bounty | why has this not been made? |
| 23:59.47 | Bounty | lol |
| 23:59.47 | sanastro | hrnnng.. how do i sort players according to score now |
| 23:59.48 | sanastro | aaa |
