| 00:00.10 | RodOfNOD | my point to him was their are tools out there go find them |
| 00:00.20 | progammer | yeah he just laze |
| 00:00.22 | RodOfNOD | the fact that bliz wont give a list however is really bad |
| 00:00.23 | progammer | lazy |
| 00:00.25 | RodOfNOD | yes he is |
| 00:00.36 | progammer | cause he have to edit the trigger also |
| 00:00.48 | RodOfNOD | he needs to learn excel |
| 00:00.55 | RodOfNOD | hecould have his shit written in 2 secs there |
| 00:01.36 | progammer | you have some unnecsary rage for him given the fact that you two have the same 3 char in name |
| 00:01.47 | RodOfNOD | lol |
| 00:01.50 | RodOfNOD | i have no rage at all |
| 00:01.53 | RodOfNOD | i think its funny |
| 00:02.38 | progammer | i think i might need to rage at prozaic |
| 00:02.49 | PM|fud | NoU |
| 00:03.00 | RodOfNOD | hey pm i need ur help |
| 00:03.13 | RodOfNOD | do uhave ventrillo? |
| 00:03.23 | PM|fud | I do |
| 00:03.36 | PM|fud | But I don't use it |
| 00:03.42 | RodOfNOD | can u hop on it for me? |
| 00:03.49 | ProzaicMuze | Depends why |
| 00:04.01 | RodOfNOD | data ? that is easier to explain |
| 00:04.04 | RodOfNOD | via talk |
| 00:04.21 | ProzaicMuze | If you want to cybersex me you can just ask |
| 00:04.24 | ProzaicMuze | You're a grown adult |
| 00:04.27 | RodOfNOD | :P |
| 00:04.52 | RodOfNOD | im having some issues with parents not sure why the game assigns them the way it does |
| 00:05.15 | ProzaicMuze | Well I find parents work best when dead and buried |
| 00:05.19 | ProzaicMuze | They also don't care about curfew anymore |
| 00:05.45 | progammer | wut |
| 00:06.04 | RodOfNOD | k well u said a parent was always cunit if not labeled |
| 00:06.13 | RodOfNOD | however the game is showing units with parent = themselves |
| 00:06.18 | ProzaicMuze | But about vent, I'm busy atm with work, I just saw a ping and couldn't pass up an opportunity to troll |
| 00:06.24 | ProzaicMuze | If it's a stock unit |
| 00:06.29 | RodOfNOD | zergling |
| 00:06.31 | ProzaicMuze | it's because blizzard made custom parents for everything |
| 00:06.43 | ProzaicMuze | You can save one of your own custom units as a parent value |
| 00:06.46 | ProzaicMuze | Which is what they did |
| 00:06.55 | ProzaicMuze | It's essentially a way of creating templates for yourself. |
| 00:07.02 | RodOfNOD | k does that mean they inherit from cunit still? |
| 00:07.09 | ProzaicMuze | Sorta |
| 00:07.18 | ProzaicMuze | It's more that you predefine the values |
| 00:07.21 | ProzaicMuze | cunit is a template |
| 00:07.30 | progammer | so all those CUnit are parent ? |
| 00:07.52 | ProzaicMuze | gunit on the other hand is a terrible rapper |
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| 00:12.23 | nolliepoper | How remove computer difficulty? |
| 00:12.42 | ProzaicMuze | By removing the computer AKA pressing the power button. |
| 00:12.46 | nolliepoper | game lobby |
| 00:13.10 | nolliepoper | Prozaic you come off serious |
| 00:13.19 | nolliepoper | Next. |
| 00:13.22 | ProzaicMuze | Because I am dead serios |
| 00:13.46 | progammer | you s3rius ? |
| 00:13.47 | nolliepoper | How remove computer difficulty game lobby? |
| 00:13.56 | ProzaicMuze | s3rius is ghey |
| 00:14.00 | nolliepoper | SRS |
| 00:14.03 | ProzaicMuze | serious, on the other hand is teh bomb |
| 00:14.12 | nolliepoper | SRSLY? |
| 00:14.16 | progammer | nolliepoper: you want in the game lobby ? then you can try to mess with game variant |
| 00:14.17 | ProzaicMuze | I was once so serious I stared a cat to death |
| 00:15.10 | nolliepoper | I want to completely remove the options to choose a computers difficulty but it is not in the variants. |
| 00:15.25 | nolliepoper | I already filtered through the variants and that was not one of them. |
| 00:15.52 | progammer | you want fixed difficulty ? |
| 00:16.02 | ProzaicMuze | He wants to remove the drop-down menu |
| 00:16.04 | ProzaicMuze | which is impossible |
| 00:16.07 | nolliepoper | It's a custom game full blown defence |
| 00:16.18 | progammer | well you dont have to remove it |
| 00:16.19 | nolliepoper | Other games don't have that menu |
| 00:16.27 | progammer | i saw some map have only 1 setting to choose from |
| 00:16.38 | progammer | its all in the game variant, just mess with it :) |
| 00:16.52 | nolliepoper | it's not in their brah |
| 00:17.00 | ProzaicMuze | thenurdoinitwrong |
| 00:17.19 | ProzaicMuze | Game Variants is the answer to all things game variant-y |
| 00:17.45 | ProzaicMuze | Also |
| 00:17.52 | ProzaicMuze | protip: steal someone's map who has the feature you want |
| 00:17.54 | nolliepoper | Besides computer difficulty in game lobby |
| 00:17.56 | ProzaicMuze | then check out their triggers |
| 00:18.00 | Shawn|Rawr | PM is always right |
| 00:18.05 | ProzaicMuze | ^^ |
| 00:18.17 | progammer | yeah find some map and try to open them |
| 00:18.19 | ProzaicMuze | also, the town looks schmexy |
| 00:18.24 | ProzaicMuze | don't try |
| 00:18.25 | ProzaicMuze | just do |
| 00:18.30 | progammer | if its locked there are *cough* some drastic measure |
| 00:18.33 | ProzaicMuze | you can even use the controversial hackmaster2000 |
| 00:19.47 | Deaod | tangent: what does locking a map actually do to it? |
| 00:19.55 | ProzaicMuze | Waste time |
| 00:19.58 | nolliepoper | Where hotkey to unit triggers named? |
| 00:20.20 | Zara | the ONLY way is the blizz to store locally all the custom map contents |
| 00:20.29 | progammer | Deaod: to waste my 5 min to open it |
| 00:21.04 | Deaod | i was more asking for the technical details... |
| 00:21.11 | Zara | load them when players create a game and split them in chunks stored locally and encrypted with a unique game seed |
| 00:21.18 | Zara | that's the only way they can protect maps |
| 00:21.21 | progammer | it remove the component list file |
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| 00:21.27 | Deaod | wow |
| 00:21.30 | progammer | and the GUI representation of your trigger |
| 00:21.36 | Deaod | so it just removes (listfile) |
| 00:21.47 | Deaod | oh |
| 00:21.52 | Deaod | cool. |
| 00:21.56 | Zara | it's hard to rebuild however |
| 00:22.00 | Zara | need some practice |
| 00:22.08 | Deaod | no, you dont do it at all |
| 00:22.12 | Deaod | you read galaxy code |
| 00:22.18 | Deaod | and if you cant, dont try |
| 00:22.22 | progammer | just have another similar map and you can have the almost exact component list file |
| 00:22.27 | Deaod | but that "protection" is laughable |
| 00:23.09 | Deaod | i guess theres not actually an optimizer out there yet for galaxy... |
| 00:23.29 | Zara | i think i'll wait blizz to fix that before publishing |
| 00:23.29 | Deaod | one that obfuscates the code |
| 00:23.37 | Deaod | they cant fix it |
| 00:23.51 | progammer | you cant obfuscate it to the point you cant read the function |
| 00:24.10 | Deaod | errrr |
| 00:24.19 | Deaod | you can make the code pretty unintelligible |
| 00:24.38 | nolliepoper | How to set hotkey number 1 of a unit in triggers? |
| 00:24.42 | Zara | guys did u noticed that the GUI representation of triggers |
| 00:24.51 | Zara | become FUCKING laggy if the script is quite long? |
| 00:25.05 | Zara | I need to wait something like 5 seconds for a refresh if I add something |
| 00:25.08 | progammer | but if have the function you called, i can still find and replace thing back to get the code |
| 00:25.09 | Deaod | and if you have to deal with functions named a24 all the time reversing gets a bit more complicated |
| 00:25.25 | Deaod | also, you can remove all linebreaks from code |
| 00:25.31 | progammer | nolliepoper: like control group ? |
| 00:25.34 | Deaod | and place minimal spaces |
| 00:25.37 | nolliepoper | yesir |
| 00:25.42 | progammer | you can add unit to control group |
| 00:25.43 | nolliepoper | programmerpro |
| 00:25.47 | progammer | there a function for that |
| 00:25.53 | nolliepoper | looking for it |
| 00:26.01 | progammer | under unit selection i would think |
| 00:26.05 | Deaod | so yeah, any reversing is going to take some serious effort |
| 00:26.10 | nolliepoper | stuck in strugle mode. |
| 00:26.12 | Zara | how can I use something like F2 function for heroes |
| 00:26.17 | Zara | but with a non-hero unit? |
| 00:26.32 | Zara | you know that little icon with F control to always find the hero... |
| 00:26.40 | progammer | nolliepoper: problem is, if the client can still read and execute the code, there's no problem I cant understand them |
| 00:27.02 | Deaod | but you can make it as hard as possible |
| 00:27.20 | nolliepoper | got it I hope |
| 00:27.39 | Deaod | see, you can still read Win32 executables |
| 00:27.59 | Deaod | the assembler code can easily be obtained |
| 00:28.08 | Zara | I've worked 4 years with a .net decompiling team mate |
| 00:28.16 | Zara | you can complicate your code as much as you want |
| 00:28.26 | Zara | if it can be executed, it can be understood |
| 00:28.28 | Zara | stop |
| 00:28.43 | Deaod | yes. |
| 00:28.48 | Deaod | i dont question that |
| 00:29.06 | Deaod | im just saying that it takes a lot of effort to do so |
| 00:29.08 | Zara | You just waste your time complicating it |
| 00:29.18 | Deaod | no. |
| 00:29.20 | Zara | And the decompiler just waste his time reading it |
| 00:29.50 | Zara | It can take him a day or a week... doesn't matter... if he wants to understand it, he'll understand it |
| 00:29.56 | Zara | oe way or another |
| 00:30.28 | Deaod | do you have experience in WC3 modding? |
| 00:30.44 | Zara | nah |
| 00:30.52 | Zara | it's the first time I use a blizz editor |
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| 00:31.01 | Deaod | we got a little program there, made by Vexorian, which optimizes a map and makes it as small as possible |
| 00:31.06 | FahqueL | hello |
| 00:31.26 | Deaod | part of that optimization is optimizing and obfuscating the maps script |
| 00:31.42 | Deaod | the reason to do that is not to prevent reversing |
| 00:31.46 | RodOfNOD | ProzaicMuze animation events that are grey are completely ignored is that correct for an actor? |
| 00:31.54 | ProzaicMuze | No |
| 00:32.07 | Deaod | its to optimize performance of the script and to optimize loading time |
| 00:32.09 | ProzaicMuze | they are default events |
| 00:32.12 | progammer | reduce loading time |
| 00:32.12 | progammer | i heard of many tools like that in wc3 |
| 00:32.33 | ProzaicMuze | You'll notice that when you edit them they change color |
| 00:32.36 | progammer | given the nature of jass, they were very effective |
| 00:32.38 | ProzaicMuze | Grey is default |
| 00:32.46 | ProzaicMuze | Blue is important but unedited from Blizzard's values |
| 00:32.49 | ProzaicMuze | Green is custom |
| 00:32.54 | ProzaicMuze | Also |
| 00:33.00 | RodOfNOD | there is light and dark green |
| 00:33.07 | ProzaicMuze | depending on which buttons you have selected from the 5 |
| 00:33.12 | ProzaicMuze | one of them hides grey fields |
| 00:33.14 | ProzaicMuze | and leaves only blue ones |
| 00:33.18 | progammer | if you change them back it can get back to default or blizz color |
| 00:33.23 | progammer | ProzaicMuze: those color was really helpful |
| 00:33.52 | ProzaicMuze | I've only ever noticed 1 green |
| 00:33.55 | ProzaicMuze | it might be two |
| 00:34.01 | RodOfNOD | ok so i made it is |
| 00:34.01 | ProzaicMuze | but in any case anything green is custom |
| 00:34.04 | RodOfNOD | im looking at it right now |
| 00:34.10 | Deaod | actually, most of the loading time was gained through packing object data into another format than the default one blizzard used |
| 00:34.35 | ProzaicMuze | Unless by light green you mean the one you have selected. |
| 00:34.51 | RodOfNOD | nope |
| 00:35.14 | RodOfNOD | ok so i wanted to duplicate a unit |
| 00:35.18 | Zara | I'm wonderig if there is a way to create an "internal" compiler within maps |
| 00:35.20 | RodOfNOD | i picked unit and selected duplicate |
| 00:35.27 | RodOfNOD | then i picked actor and model |
| 00:35.40 | RodOfNOD | now what |
| 00:35.43 | Deaod | what do you mean, "internal"? |
| 00:36.04 | nolliepoper | RodOfNOD u hate me? |
| 00:36.09 | Zara | I create my triggers/data/text... etc... |
| 00:36.10 | RodOfNOD | ichanged the ID and name for all 3 from zergling copy to SC zergling |
| 00:36.14 | Zara | i compress them into a BIN |
| 00:36.23 | RodOfNOD | nolliepoper im busy atm and our team channel |
| 00:36.31 | Zara | and then I have only a trigger/script that read it and populate map data |
| 00:36.32 | nolliepoper | npnp just sayin |
| 00:36.37 | ProzaicMuze | I hate you too |
| 00:36.39 | ProzaicMuze | very much |
| 00:36.50 | nolliepoper | K nonamerlul |
| 00:37.03 | Deaod | first of all, you cant read external files with galaxy |
| 00:37.09 | FahqueL | rod, what are you trying to do? |
| 00:37.11 | ProzaicMuze | @Rod - after renaming the 3 objects you can simply change whatever valies you want |
| 00:37.14 | ProzaicMuze | nonamerlul? |
| 00:37.17 | Zara | but if the file is placed in the map MPQ? |
| 00:37.22 | Zara | can i access it through scripts? |
| 00:37.23 | Deaod | still not possible |
| 00:37.27 | ProzaicMuze | what kind of abstractly foreign language are you speaking? |
| 00:37.36 | progammer | Deaod: guess he mean the compile the script before it load to the game, but internally |
| 00:37.39 | FahqueL | anyone aware of a Remove Behavior type effect being bugged? |
| 00:37.44 | FahqueL | i get e |
| 00:37.45 | Deaod | youll need to write the data into the script files |
| 00:37.53 | Deaod | but even thats not feasible currently |
| 00:38.03 | Zara | programmer got it |
| 00:38.04 | FahqueL | i get "error" anytime i use a remove behavior effect as the effect in a target ability |
| 00:38.27 | FahqueL | but if you place the remove behavior in a set effect and point the ability at the set it works fine... |
| 00:39.21 | Deaod | again, you cant read and write files using galaxy |
| 00:39.39 | Zara | =( |
| 00:40.06 | Deaod | except for script files, but those have to have valid galaxy syntax |
| 00:40.14 | Zara | mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmh is that possible with data editor to create a placement validator that checks if there are other similar structure within a range? |
| 00:40.48 | Zara | for example if there is another turret within 5 files, you can't place it right nearby |
| 00:40.57 | Zara | *tiles |
| 00:41.07 | FahqueL | yes |
| 00:41.14 | Zara | deaod you are confusing me --- |
| 00:41.17 | Zara | lol |
| 00:41.26 | Zara | FahqueL: how? |
| 00:41.32 | FahqueL | you can make a validator of that type |
| 00:41.43 | FahqueL | i would have to struggle through it but you can definitely do it |
| 00:41.52 | FahqueL | you on vent by chance? |
| 00:42.00 | Zara | wut? |
| 00:42.03 | Deaod | well, script files you include in your mapscript.galaxy will obviously be read and compiled when the map is loaded |
| 00:42.04 | Zara | vent? |
| 00:42.05 | FahqueL | ventrillo? |
| 00:42.17 | Zara | no =( |
| 00:42.42 | FahqueL | you need an enumerate area validator and a compare ...... validator |
| 00:42.44 | FahqueL | and a combine |
| 00:42.56 | Zara | Enum area that counts in fact |
| 00:43.07 | Zara | counts units |
| 00:43.09 | Zara | of that type |
| 00:43.48 | Zara | lemme try it |
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| 00:58.32 | IDEATH | IDEATH WILL EAT THY SOUL!!!! |
| 00:58.49 | jorgenpt | Stop it. |
| 00:59.11 | IDEATH | srry that was my evil twin |
| 00:59.30 | IDEATH | MWHAAHAHAHAHAA!! |
| 00:59.34 | IDEATH | srry |
| 00:59.37 | IDEATH | anyway |
| 01:02.22 | Shawn|Rawr | progammer, i fixed my post |
| 01:02.29 | Shawn|Rawr | i just forgot is all |
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| 01:05.08 | nolliepoper | any experts on triggers teams? |
| 01:05.20 | nolliepoper | I need to know if it's the index or player number. |
| 01:05.22 | nolliepoper | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:05.31 | Hikury | mmm, triggers teams |
| 01:05.51 | nolliepoper | Hikury did you read? |
| 01:06.08 | Hikury | historically I have read things |
| 01:06.17 | Hikury | oh |
| 01:06.19 | nolliepoper | Player groups works buy index or player number? |
| 01:06.19 | Hikury | um |
| 01:06.39 | Hikury | okay, how does the trigger initiate? |
| 01:06.48 | Hikury | what is the event? |
| 01:07.01 | nolliepoper | event is when player leaves game any |
| 01:07.15 | nolliepoper | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:07.34 | nolliepoper | I need to remove them from my player group team because I use that to vote to start |
| 01:07.35 | nolliepoper | defence. |
| 01:07.56 | nolliepoper | But just tell me if play groups work my player name or index? |
| 01:07.59 | Hikury | you may need a function to identify what you are trying to remove for the "team" playergroup |
| 01:08.15 | nolliepoper | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:08.25 | nolliepoper | ok lets say player 4 leaves |
| 01:08.29 | nolliepoper | so... |
| 01:08.36 | nolliepoper | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:09.00 | nolliepoper | now is that going to be the fourth player in team or player #4 |
| 01:09.05 | Hikury | I'm re-creating it righ tnow |
| 01:09.14 | nolliepoper | Why? |
| 01:09.25 | nolliepoper | I was hoping someone already knew how they worked. |
| 01:10.37 | IDEATH | How can i add an effect to an ability? |
| 01:10.54 | nolliepoper | Bro |
| 01:10.56 | nolliepoper | get in line. |
| 01:11.02 | IDEATH | lol |
| 01:11.04 | nolliepoper | just saying |
| 01:11.11 | nolliepoper | fighting words |
| 01:11.21 | IDEATH | ... |
| 01:11.23 | nolliepoper | IDEATH YOU GOOD WITH PLAYER GROUPS? |
| 01:11.36 | Hikury | lol, okay nolliepoper, the trigger should work. It must be something else. Unless blizz still hasn't fixed the old error with the "player leaves game" event |
| 01:11.57 | nolliepoper | what wut? |
| 01:12.17 | nolliepoper | I never said I had any errors I simply asked |
| 01:12.31 | nolliepoper | Does player groups go by index # or player # |
| 01:12.41 | nolliepoper | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:12.48 | nolliepoper | In that case. |
| 01:13.09 | IDEATH | How can i add an effect to an ability? |
| 01:13.10 | Hikury | oh I see what you mean |
| 01:13.25 | Hikury | IDeath I don't know the answer to your question |
| 01:13.39 | nolliepoper | Hikury we close lets stay focused |
| 01:13.40 | IDEATH | dang |
| 01:13.57 | Hikury | I have a map that uses that action, I will check |
| 01:14.19 | IDEATH | maybe you should mind your own fucking business nolliepoper |
| 01:14.27 | nolliepoper | they she blows |
| 01:14.38 | IDEATH | lol ur retarded |
| 01:14.50 | Hikury | nobody flames here |
| 01:14.54 | Hikury | don't start |
| 01:15.34 | nolliepoper | I recall you coming in here asking us questions and wouldn't take idk for an answer. |
| 01:15.42 | nolliepoper | for real listen to Hikury |
| 01:16.40 | Hikury | ugh, nolliepoper I am going to say that it removes based on player # |
| 01:16.48 | Hikury | but it is very easy to test |
| 01:16.50 | nolliepoper | good news |
| 01:17.17 | nolliepoper | less work so triggering player would work just as it is amiright? |
| 01:17.21 | nolliepoper | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:17.36 | Hikury | yes, but like I said you should always test these things |
| 01:17.40 | nolliepoper | even if my player group only has 1 through 4 people in it? |
| 01:17.52 | Hikury | all you need is a trigger to identify the contents of the player group |
| 01:17.57 | nolliepoper | You can join my map then leave for a quick test? |
| 01:17.58 | Hikury | and a temporary event that removes one |
| 01:18.05 | nolliepoper | Lets just test the real deal. |
| 01:18.06 | Hikury | I don't have time right now, sorry |
| 01:18.21 | nolliepoper | Just a quick join then leave |
| 01:18.40 | nolliepoper | Should destroy your vote guy too. |
| 01:18.56 | nolliepoper | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:45.45 | IDEATH | What kind of Hero map should I make? |
| 02:46.14 | IDEATH | What kind of hero map would you want to play? |
| 02:47.08 | nolliepoper | IDEATH YOU THERE? |
| 02:48.10 | nolliepoper | How many slots in this array? |
| 02:48.10 | nolliepoper | Waves = No Game Link <Game Link - Unit[30]> |
| 02:48.53 | nolliepoper | I thought it was 30 but it is 31 correct? |
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| 02:54.55 | IDEATH | What kind of Hero map do you think I should make? |
| 02:55.27 | nolliepoper | not sure yet IDEATH |
| 03:04.45 | FockeWulf | Would anyone like to help me test a cat and mouse type game out? |
| 03:06.22 | IDEATH | sure |
| 03:07.20 | FockeWulf | ok |
| 03:07.25 | FockeWulf | we are on NA |
| 03:07.27 | FockeWulf | whats your id in game? |
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| 03:13.03 | FockeWulf | ok sorry about the Idark |
| 03:13.09 | FockeWulf | I mean |
| 03:13.11 | FockeWulf | IDEATH |
| 03:13.16 | FockeWulf | comp was being lame |
| 03:13.19 | FockeWulf | what is your ID? |
| 03:14.06 | IDEATH | um srry 370 |
| 03:15.11 | IDEATH | same username in sc2 |
| 03:17.43 | FockeWulf | kk |
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| 03:27.13 | nolliepoper | Waves = No Game Link <Game Link - Unit[30]> |
| 03:27.21 | nolliepoper | how many slots 30 or 31? |
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| 03:43.45 | Tordy | hi frigg |
| 03:43.46 | Tordy | hi there |
| 03:43.47 | Tordy | hi ! |
| 03:43.48 | Tordy | :) |
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| 03:49.08 | Tordy | hi there |
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| 03:51.55 | Tordy | hi DJSplendid |
| 03:51.57 | Tordy | hi! :) |
| 03:52.39 | Demalii | hey tordy |
| 03:52.45 | Tordy | hi Demalii |
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| 04:08.13 | Tordy | oooh |
| 04:14.59 | LordAbyss | kills sixen. |
| 04:15.49 | Shawn|Rawr | kills sixen |
| 04:15.51 | Shawn|Rawr | awww |
| 04:16.04 | Shawn|Rawr | you cheated U.U |
| 04:16.31 | LordAbyss | desecrates sixen's dead body. |
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| 04:20.21 | Shawn|Rawr | Rodrigo, you here? |
| 04:21.27 | LordAbyss | ~poke sixen |
| 04:21.27 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind sixen, pokes sixen repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 04:21.47 | Rodrigo | yes Shawn|Rawr |
| 04:21.53 | Rodrigo | Im reading my dictionary |
| 04:21.57 | Shawn|Rawr | What are you planning on doing with the dictionary? |
| 04:22.05 | Shawn|Rawr | Since I see all the forum posts and whatnot |
| 04:22.15 | Rodrigo | I will post a new version of the dictionary in PDF in less than 1 hour |
| 04:22.27 | Rodrigo | with all the words I'm planning to release |
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| 04:22.40 | Rodrigo | just hold on. let me finish it |
| 04:22.52 | Sixen | o_o |
| 04:23.02 | Shawn|Rawr | Hmm.. ok. I guess I will look through that too just to be safe. Sorry I didn't have time to finish looking at the other |
| 04:23.09 | Shawn|Rawr | Normally I'm good for that kind of stuff |
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| 04:26.13 | DJSplendid | hi tordy, you cheeky script , you |
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| 04:34.37 | Rodrigo | I asked blizzard to give me 24 hours to let me fix a bad word before banning my map permanently, but I don't think they want to give warning |
| 04:37.12 | Rodrigo | If they ban my map permanently because of a word in the dictionary such as "jesus" or "buda," I quit starcraft. |
| 04:37.31 | Shawn|Rawr | No worries roddy, I'm going to try to look through it once |
| 04:37.35 | Shawn|Rawr | or more |
| 04:37.49 | Rodrigo | I'm 5 hours fixing this dictionary. I hope they think about it before banning |
| 04:38.04 | Rodrigo | because when the map gets published, lots of people will report instantly, just for the lolz |
| 04:38.11 | Shawn|Rawr | Hmm.. just let me know |
| 04:38.16 | Rodrigo | ok |
| 04:38.17 | Shawn|Rawr | When you finish the dictionary |
| 04:38.17 | Rodrigo | I will |
| 04:38.20 | Rodrigo | almost done |
| 04:39.31 | Rodrigo | Hikury said environmentalist is a bad word. Should I remove it? |
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| 04:41.27 | nolliepoper | need one quick beta tester for 3 minutes tops |
| 04:42.04 | Rodrigo | wow, I just found "prostitute." This one blizzard would sue me |
| 04:43.48 | nolliepoper | actually they just block you from publishing |
| 04:43.53 | nolliepoper | I meant |
| 04:44.01 | nolliepoper | if you try to publish |
| 04:44.03 | nolliepoper | with bad words |
| 04:44.08 | nolliepoper | i auto stops you |
| 04:44.17 | nolliepoper | then you can correct |
| 04:44.18 | Rodrigo | how the hell is hellion a bad word?!?!?! it's a unit name!! |
| 04:44.19 | nolliepoper | and replublish |
| 04:44.32 | nolliepoper | I believe |
| 04:44.34 | nolliepoper | it's |
| 04:44.36 | nolliepoper | helion |
| 04:44.38 | nolliepoper | amiright? |
| 04:44.43 | Rodrigo | ....................... |
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| 04:45.04 | nolliepoper | naa its hellion |
| 04:45.05 | nolliepoper | ur right |
| 04:45.41 | nolliepoper | Rodrigo |
| 04:45.50 | nolliepoper | can you beta test my map for like 30 second in game time? |
| 04:46.16 | nolliepoper | I just have to see if my triggers work one 2 things |
| 04:46.17 | Rodrigo | can I do that after I finish this dictionary? Im kind focused here |
| 04:46.40 | nolliepoper | How long will that take? |
| 04:47.19 | Rodrigo | less than 1 hour I believe |
| 04:47.27 | nolliepoper | O no I won't be on |
| 04:47.33 | nolliepoper | I have to get some rest soon |
| 04:47.38 | nolliepoper | only had 5 hours of sleep last night |
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| 04:55.38 | Rodrigo | gamble is a bad word?!!?! there was gamble on diablo |
| 04:55.48 | Rodrigo | I learned that word playing blizzard games |
| 04:56.31 | Khono | lol |
| 04:56.49 | Khono | Blizz = lead by morons. |
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| 05:01.23 | Shawn|Rawr | envrionmentalist is not a bad word lol |
| 05:01.49 | Shawn|Rawr | hellion has the word hell in it so idk |
| 05:02.06 | Shawn|Rawr | thats a bit ridiculous though |
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| 05:10.06 | Khono | environmentalist is considered bad? LOL |
| 05:10.28 | Shawn|Rawr | I thought everyone tried to make environmentalists seem like the good guys |
| 05:10.40 | Khono | Oil companies don't. |
| 05:14.19 | Shawn|Rawr | That's a lie |
| 05:14.36 | Shawn|Rawr | They try to be the same with biofuel and whatever other nonsense they can come up with |
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| 05:22.23 | Ardnived | ... |
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| 05:23.13 | Shawn|Rawr | Yes, it's dead |
| 05:24.00 | Ardnived | Mmmhmmm |
| 05:25.22 | Rodrigo | thanks to blizzard, I learned about 500 bad words just today |
| 05:26.07 | Ardnived | Where did you get that whole list of words anyways? |
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| 05:26.57 | Ardnived | And it seems like it would take forever to declare them all as variables. You must have implemented them in a different manner. |
| 05:29.40 | Rodrigo | UntitledQ owns that dictionary |
| 05:30.03 | Ardnived | An Sc2m user? |
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| 05:34.00 | Shawn|Rawr | Doubtful. |
| 05:34.25 | Rodrigo | I will post the dictionary now |
| 05:34.29 | Shawn|Rawr | Yay! |
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| 05:34.49 | Rodrigo | I believe he has a sc2mapster account, but he uses more the team liquid |
| 05:35.19 | Ardnived | I see |
| 05:35.36 | Rodrigo | I reduced the dictionary from 32,000 words to 6,000. So, it has only 223 pages |
| 05:35.42 | Rodrigo | I have to read those 223 pages today |
| 05:35.50 | Shawn|Rawr | Cool. |
| 05:35.57 | Shawn|Rawr | You can always add more words later |
| 05:36.00 | Ardnived | That shall take forever :/ |
| 05:36.11 | Rodrigo | not really, I bet 2 hours |
| 05:36.24 | Ardnived | Really? |
| 05:36.32 | Ardnived | Well I suppose it depends on how it is organized |
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| 05:36.45 | Shawn|Rawr | It's just a big list lol |
| 05:36.52 | Shawn|Rawr | kind |
| 05:36.56 | Shawn|Rawr | of |
| 05:36.58 | Shawn|Rawr | like |
| 05:37.00 | Shawn|Rawr | this |
| 05:37.02 | Shawn|Rawr | and |
| 05:37.04 | Shawn|Rawr | it |
| 05:37.05 | Shawn|Rawr | goes forever |
| 05:37.15 | Ardnived | Ah well thats what I thought. |
| 05:38.48 | Shawn|Rawr | gimme gimme gimme gimme.. i wanna lookie at the list already |
| 05:39.23 | Shawn|Rawr | see what kind of ridiculous words i have to type to win |
| 05:39.24 | Hikury | I had to think long and hard about the "environmentalist" one |
| 05:39.48 | Hikury | I was looking for words that invokes an emotional response from any faction |
| 05:40.14 | currydevil | poophole. |
| 05:40.18 | Ardnived | Rodrigo, while you are in there you need to add "supercalifragilisticexpialidocious" |
| 05:40.19 | Shawn|Rawr | I've never seen that word used in a negative fashion, so I don't agree that it's bad |
| 05:40.20 | currydevil | how does that make you feel? |
| 05:40.24 | Ardnived | I think that is how it is spelt |
| 05:40.29 | Rodrigo | .............................. |
| 05:40.33 | Hikury | I don't think it's bad, he |
| 05:40.46 | Hikury | just a topic of controversy |
| 05:40.56 | Rodrigo | THE NEW DICTIONARY IN PDF IS PUBLISHED: http://forums.sc2mapster.com/general/general-chat/13585-file-nww-dictionary |
| 05:40.56 | Shawn|Rawr | if there's doubt, take it out ;) |
| 05:41.04 | Ardnived | :P |
| 05:41.04 | Rodrigo | please, lets read today, so I can publish the map today! |
| 05:41.05 | Hikury | not something that would get you banned of course |
| 05:41.20 | Hikury | :( |
| 05:41.28 | Hikury | waaah |
| 05:42.02 | Shawn|Rawr | ebon.. thats still a weird word |
| 05:43.14 | Hikury | so rodrigo what has changed in this new edition? |
| 05:43.23 | Hikury | is it everything combined? |
| 05:43.31 | Ardnived | Didn't blizzard say they had a list of words that the bot turned up or something? |
| 05:43.50 | Hikury | they provided examples and stated that they would not give a full comprehensive list |
| 05:44.09 | Hikury | and it's not just a bot, they respond to complaints |
| 05:44.29 | Hikury | which is why everyone is sifting through it with a fine comb to find anything anyone could be offended by |
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| 05:44.58 | Shawn|Rawr | lol.. what is hep? |
| 05:45.08 | Shawn|Rawr | besides short for hepatitis |
| 05:45.35 | currydevil | look it up |
| 05:45.45 | Ardnived | Hikury, I meant there was a bot that farmed the words from the map. |
| 05:45.49 | Shawn|Rawr | your list is calling me fat |
| 05:46.16 | Ardnived | The only words I see here that I might not be sure of are the ones which I have never heard of |
| 05:46.27 | Hikury | hep is slang for hip, says the internets |
| 05:47.53 | Rodrigo | Hikury, a new unit: The annoyling. That was the biggest change |
| 05:47.56 | Hikury | of this I am positive |
| 05:49.31 | Shawn|Rawr | Is alcohol names allowed? |
| 05:49.37 | Shawn|Rawr | If not, mead has to go |
| 05:49.41 | Hikury | sex on the beach isn't |
| 05:50.20 | currydevil | mead; any of various nonalcoholic beverages. |
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| 05:50.34 | P_R_Deltoid | lol |
| 05:50.36 | Hikury | I'm trying to figure out this annoyling thing without sounding dumb |
| 05:50.45 | P_R_Deltoid | I really hope you ignore 99% of what Shawn91210 |
| 05:50.45 | currydevil | or more popular as:an alcoholic liquor made by fermenting honey and water. |
| 05:50.46 | P_R_Deltoid | posted |
| 05:50.48 | P_R_Deltoid | in that thread |
| 05:51.06 | Ardnived | It seems likely that 90% of offensive words will be in the [0] word section |
| 05:51.06 | P_R_Deltoid | oh |
| 05:51.09 | P_R_Deltoid | you removed them all |
| 05:51.15 | Ardnived | Since they are mostly slang |
| 05:51.23 | P_R_Deltoid | man, this guy hates words |
| 05:51.26 | P_R_Deltoid | masochism...? |
| 05:51.45 | Shawn|Rawr | Hey... shut up |
| 05:51.49 | P_R_Deltoid | jesus christ |
| 05:51.54 | P_R_Deltoid | do you honestly think these are in any way bad? |
| 05:52.03 | Shawn|Rawr | @.@ |
| 05:52.05 | Shawn|Rawr | Yes |
| 05:52.18 | P_R_Deltoid | yuppie? That is a bad word? |
| 05:52.20 | P_R_Deltoid | Yuppie? |
| 05:52.28 | Ardnived | I have heard that yuppie is offensive |
| 05:52.32 | Hikury | yup |
| 05:52.37 | P_R_Deltoid | You... heard it is offensive... |
| 05:52.37 | Hikury | yuppie isn't safe |
| 05:52.40 | P_R_Deltoid | Safe? |
| 05:52.47 | Hikury | it doesn't matter |
| 05:52.53 | P_R_Deltoid | I think you vastly overestimate what people will report and what blizzard will give any shits about |
| 05:52.58 | Ardnived | I doubt anybody is offended by the term masochism. I mean it is a techinical term. |
| 05:53.03 | Shawn|Rawr | Anything that could be construed to ban this map again HAS TO GO |
| 05:53.03 | Hikury | it's not like people are going to be starving for new words without yuppie and environmentalist |
| 05:53.05 | P_R_Deltoid | Most of these are. |
| 05:53.07 | P_R_Deltoid | Anus |
| 05:53.11 | P_R_Deltoid | Hash |
| 05:53.14 | P_R_Deltoid | Psychosexuality |
| 05:53.17 | P_R_Deltoid | Blaxploitation |
| 05:53.25 | Shawn|Rawr | All bad stuff |
| 05:53.32 | P_R_Deltoid | But all scientific. |
| 05:53.38 | Shawn|Rawr | Doesnt matter |
| 05:53.39 | P_R_Deltoid | Not Blaxploitation, so much |
| 05:53.40 | Shawn|Rawr | Blizz WONT CARE |
| 05:53.42 | P_R_Deltoid | but that also wasn't bad |
| 05:53.44 | Hikury | this isn't some rational debate |
| 05:53.46 | P_R_Deltoid | because I don't think you know what it is. |
| 05:53.54 | P_R_Deltoid | It should be, because you are taking it to another level of paranoia |
| 05:53.56 | Shawn|Rawr | Balxploitation? |
| 05:53.58 | Ardnived | I guess anything that has any sexual connotations might cause problems. |
| 05:53.59 | P_R_Deltoid | Yes |
| 05:54.03 | P_R_Deltoid | Do you know what it is? |
| 05:54.05 | Shawn|Rawr | Its the exploitation of black people |
| 05:54.08 | Shawn|Rawr | BAD |
| 05:54.08 | P_R_Deltoid | No. |
| 05:54.09 | P_R_Deltoid | No it isn't |
| 05:54.11 | P_R_Deltoid | You are an idiot |
| 05:54.15 | Shawn|Rawr | I looked it up dickhead |
| 05:54.22 | Shawn|Rawr | Dictionary.com the whole way |
| 05:54.38 | Hikury | Deltoid, the map is under intense scrutiny |
| 05:54.50 | P_R_Deltoid | Blaxploitation is a film genre that emerged in the United States in the early 1970s when many exploitation films were made specifically (and perhaps exclusively) for an audience of urban black people; the word itself is a portmanteau of the words "black" and "exploitation". |
| 05:54.51 | Hikury | any one idiot can be offended by something and then the whole thing caves inn |
| 05:54.52 | P_R_Deltoid | From who? |
| 05:54.53 | P_R_Deltoid | About what? |
| 05:54.56 | P_R_Deltoid | I doubt that |
| 05:55.02 | P_R_Deltoid | Blizzard has curse words in their game |
| 05:55.04 | P_R_Deltoid | it's rated M |
| 05:55.07 | P_R_Deltoid | or.. |
| 05:55.07 | P_R_Deltoid | T |
| 05:55.11 | Shawn|Rawr | THEY DONT CARE |
| 05:55.15 | Hikury | this isn't about justice |
| 05:55.18 | Hikury | or rationality |
| 05:55.19 | P_R_Deltoid | Especially about the word list |
| 05:55.22 | Hikury | it's just a game |
| 05:55.28 | P_R_Deltoid | you gravely overestimate how much they will patrol the map list |
| 05:55.34 | Ardnived | Deltoid, it is unlikely that Blizzard would have these words in their screening bot. But is there really any reason to leave them in? Better safe than sorry. |
| 05:56.02 | P_R_Deltoid | Screening Bot? Then why wouldn't it just not let you publish the map if they were part of the assets? Where is this "screening bot" business coming from |
| 05:56.06 | P_R_Deltoid | because it sounds like something you just made up |
| 05:56.19 | P_R_Deltoid | Blaxploitation was purely a film genre targeted towards black audiences with a lurid subject matter |
| 05:56.34 | P_R_Deltoid | It wasn't the "exploitation OF blacks" |
| 05:56.42 | P_R_Deltoid | it was "exploitation" the genre targeted towards "blacks" |
| 05:56.43 | Ardnived | Deltoid, yeah that may be something I am infering, but I got the impression from what I read that, that is what they would do. |
| 05:57.15 | P_R_Deltoid | Read what? |
| 05:57.23 | Hikury | this isn't a debate, it's a culling. We're not trying to make the world a better place |
| 05:57.26 | Ardnived | Since personally searching reported maps for offensive words would be a full time job, and not really worth hiring someone for |
| 05:57.37 | P_R_Deltoid | I mean |
| 05:57.40 | P_R_Deltoid | lets see |
| 05:57.48 | Ardnived | Deltoid, skimming the topic where this was discussed. |
| 05:57.49 | P_R_Deltoid | Dung is a word used in World of Warcraft |
| 05:58.02 | P_R_Deltoid | naked, too |
| 05:58.04 | P_R_Deltoid | I mean |
| 05:58.16 | P_R_Deltoid | I just don't see why blizzard would even start to freak out over this, it'd be a huge waste of tiem for them |
| 05:58.19 | P_R_Deltoid | a huge sink in resources |
| 05:58.33 | P_R_Deltoid | It isn't pornography |
| 05:58.36 | Hikury | you don't get it, it's not about what blizzard wants |
| 05:58.36 | Ardnived | In anycase I think the attitude here with removing words is simply, better safe than sorry, it's not really neccesary for those words to be in there. |
| 05:58.42 | P_R_Deltoid | they are words, most of which have a meaning you (apparently) don't understand |
| 05:58.43 | Hikury | it's about paranoid idiots playing the game |
| 05:58.56 | P_R_Deltoid | trust me, blizzard ignores 99% of those people. |
| 05:58.58 | P_R_Deltoid | They always have |
| 05:59.08 | Hikury | not the vocal, angry ones |
| 05:59.13 | P_R_Deltoid | I mean... daiquiri, really? |
| 05:59.19 | P_R_Deltoid | Jim drinks the entire campaign |
| 05:59.22 | P_R_Deltoid | there is a cantina |
| 05:59.39 | P_R_Deltoid | I am fairly certain any logical PR rep would write these complaints off as trolls/people trying to usurp the map |
| 05:59.46 | P_R_Deltoid | I get some of them |
| 05:59.47 | P_R_Deltoid | dick |
| 05:59.51 | P_R_Deltoid | bitch |
| 05:59.57 | P_R_Deltoid | uhm |
| 06:00.01 | Hikury | "faith" isn't something to bank on in this instance |
| 06:00.07 | P_R_Deltoid | Sure it is. |
| 06:00.12 | P_R_Deltoid | Better than wasting time with this business |
| 06:00.26 | Hikury | you didn't spend hard time trying to build it, neither did I |
| 06:00.40 | Shawn|Rawr | Hey man, why are you so bitchy about something so simple? |
| 06:00.44 | Shawn|Rawr | It's not your map |
| 06:00.52 | Hikury | and it would really suck to have it thrown away because some people stood up for some sense of logic |
| 06:00.53 | P_R_Deltoid | because you are complaining about words that have a meaning you don't understand |
| 06:00.54 | Shawn|Rawr | You don't have to do a damn thing |
| 06:00.55 | P_R_Deltoid | Basically. |
| 06:01.12 | P_R_Deltoid | Hikury, Blizzard doesn't do that kind of thing |
| 06:01.17 | P_R_Deltoid | It just doesn't work like that, ever |
| 06:01.18 | P_R_Deltoid | It never has |
| 06:01.21 | Shawn|Rawr | Because my dictionary and yours don't match up perfectly? |
| 06:01.28 | Shawn|Rawr | Who gives a shit? |
| 06:01.31 | Ardnived | Deltoid, no one is complaining about them here, they are just trying to help Rodrigo cull out anything that could conceivably be trouble. |
| 06:01.34 | Hikury | we're in new territory Deltoid |
| 06:01.37 | Shawn|Rawr | I don't want the damn map banned for something silly |
| 06:01.52 | Ardnived | Better safe than sorry... |
| 06:01.53 | P_R_Deltoid | Hardly, Hikury. |
| 06:02.07 | P_R_Deltoid | I suppose if you've already looked them up then there is no harm done |
| 06:02.12 | P_R_Deltoid | I just find this entire process a silly waste of time |
| 06:02.17 | P_R_Deltoid | because it's so far fetched |
| 06:02.24 | P_R_Deltoid | you are hedging on a .00001% chance |
| 06:02.29 | Hikury | then you need to punch the wall really hard and vent |
| 06:02.34 | P_R_Deltoid | and even then, there is always a way to go about having it remedied |
| 06:02.36 | Hikury | and then take a smoke and cool off |
| 06:02.40 | Shawn|Rawr | How I spend my time is none of your business :P |
| 06:02.56 | P_R_Deltoid | Of course it isn't. I can still say it's retarded and a waste. |
| 06:03.34 | Ardnived | Skimming through this I doubt that there are any more words in there |
| 06:03.42 | Hikury | make a NCWW |
| 06:03.57 | Hikury | that'll give you a way to justify yourself |
| 06:04.37 | Ardnived | Well whatever, I am off to bed. |
| 06:04.41 | Ardnived | Goodnight people :) |
| 06:04.51 | Hikury | night |
| 06:04.57 | P_R_Deltoid | lol |
| 06:05.04 | P_R_Deltoid | Kyppie went overboard |
| 06:05.07 | P_R_Deltoid | didn't evne look uip the words |
| 06:05.30 | P_R_Deltoid | LOL |
| 06:05.32 | P_R_Deltoid | sauerkraut |
| 06:05.34 | P_R_Deltoid | for real |
| 06:05.34 | P_R_Deltoid | sauerkraut |
| 06:06.28 | P_R_Deltoid | oh wow |
| 06:06.33 | P_R_Deltoid | I didn't even see Hikury's list |
| 06:06.43 | Hikury | *sigh* what do you guys think of "lord"? |
| 06:06.54 | P_R_Deltoid | I think you're a cr azy person |
| 06:07.01 | Shawn|Rawr | lord is a good title |
| 06:07.06 | Shawn|Rawr | I wish I could have it |
| 06:07.06 | P_R_Deltoid | you do realize sextuple just means 6 right |
| 06:07.17 | Hikury | I know exactly what it means |
| 06:07.20 | P_R_Deltoid | alright |
| 06:07.28 | Hikury | Deltoid you're just irritating everybody, why are you doing this? |
| 06:07.35 | Shawn|Rawr | i think this list looks sexy |
| 06:07.37 | P_R_Deltoid | Because I am so confused |
| 06:07.44 | P_R_Deltoid | but apparently the mapw as already banned once |
| 06:07.46 | Hikury | then be confused |
| 06:07.48 | P_R_Deltoid | which is insanity |
| 06:07.50 | Hikury | it isn't costing you money |
| 06:07.53 | P_R_Deltoid | I am being confused openly |
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| 06:08.01 | Shawn|Rawr | Well no one cares |
| 06:08.17 | P_R_Deltoid | it's just a shame to see so many words being falsely demonized because of the illiteracy |
| 06:08.20 | P_R_Deltoid | of the user base |
| 06:08.27 | Hikury | they are... just... words |
| 06:08.35 | P_R_Deltoid | I know.. |
| 06:08.36 | P_R_Deltoid | :| |
| 06:08.39 | P_R_Deltoid | thanks for tellng me? |
| 06:08.44 | Shawn|Rawr | Are you an English major or just retarded for the language? |
| 06:09.18 | DekarAgain | which words? |
| 06:09.28 | P_R_Deltoid | neither, I just see a list full of words you obviously don't know the definition of and have demonized purely because they share a resmblance to words that are "dirty" |
| 06:09.37 | P_R_Deltoid | sextuple being the perfect example |
| 06:09.38 | Hikury | minge, that word |
| 06:09.39 | P_R_Deltoid | Blaxploitation |
| 06:09.48 | Shawn|Rawr | I looked them up on dictionary.com.. so i guess they dont know what theyre talking about either |
| 06:09.57 | Shawn|Rawr | but you do |
| 06:10.01 | Shawn|Rawr | of course, you know all |
| 06:10.32 | P_R_Deltoid | World English Dictionary |
| 06:10.32 | P_R_Deltoid | blaxploitation (ˌblæksplɔɪˈteɪʃən) [Click for IPA pronunciation guide] |
| 06:10.32 | P_R_Deltoid | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:10.32 | P_R_Deltoid | —n |
| 06:10.32 | P_R_Deltoid | a genre of films featuring Black stereotypes |
| 06:10.33 | P_R_Deltoid | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:10.36 | P_R_Deltoid | If that |
| 06:10.53 | Rodrigo | there's a guy on the battle.net forums saying lots of bad things about me. He thinks I added all those bad words propositally |
| 06:11.04 | P_R_Deltoid | Troll. |
| 06:11.09 | Hikury | agreed, troll |
| 06:11.10 | P_R_Deltoid | He is a troll and everyone who reports this is a troll |
| 06:11.23 | P_R_Deltoid | and anyone who gives them any credence is an idiot and you should complain about it to someone higher up |
| 06:11.34 | Hikury | I wouldn't go that far |
| 06:11.38 | P_R_Deltoid | Your map was featured on r/starcraft, you have at least some public voice |
| 06:12.18 | P_R_Deltoid | Unless you want to constantly worry about your map and any future map you make, you might want to make it clear that the current system of censorship and limitations is too vague and hastily employed to sustain a growing community of map makers |
| 06:12.34 | P_R_Deltoid | also featured on... I think it was Demonoid or something |
| 06:12.49 | P_R_Deltoid | Your map has a fairly large name as far as SC2 customs go |
| 06:12.52 | Hikury | truley Deltoid, you are a hero |
| 06:13.00 | Hikury | your vision will save us all |
| 06:13.06 | Hikury | who else will save these poor words? |
| 06:13.17 | P_R_Deltoid | Hikury, this is how the book burnings start |
| 06:13.24 | Rodrigo | he said "sry for violating ToS blizz but you are getting bashed for no reason here... the creator of the map has a bad attitude is what it is... thats why he posted this instead of going to yall about it " |
| 06:13.30 | Hikury | who are sidelined by society, godspeed dear deltoid! |
| 06:13.33 | Rodrigo | and also said that I was trying to cover it up |
| 06:13.53 | Hikury | I was cold, that book had it coming |
| 06:14.08 | Shawn|Rawr | Ya, it was only Twilight anyway |
| 06:14.47 | Hikury | who's bashing blizz? |
| 06:14.57 | Shawn|Rawr | Apparently Roddy is |
| 06:14.59 | Rodrigo | according to him, I am |
| 06:15.14 | Rodrigo | he thinks I added all those bad words just to bash blizzard |
| 06:15.32 | Rodrigo | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/832103874?page=14 |
| 06:15.55 | Rodrigo | he thinks that the dyke story I came up with, when I was just quoting blizzard's email |
| 06:16.18 | Hikury | is he right? Are you trying to dismantle blizz from the inside? |
| 06:16.29 | Rodrigo | of course not |
| 06:16.30 | Hikury | are you... rodrigo the unholy? |
| 06:16.31 | Shawn|Rawr | Kill them slowly with words? |
| 06:16.34 | Rodrigo | ......................... |
| 06:16.53 | Hikury | I believe you |
| 06:16.54 | Rodrigo | I have to make a unit called blizzard with a word "activision" |
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| 06:17.04 | Rodrigo | you type "activision" and you kill blizzard |
| 06:17.10 | Shawn|Rawr | bahahahaha |
| 06:17.15 | Rodrigo | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/832103874?page=14 |
| 06:17.16 | Shawn|Rawr | thats great |
| 06:17.20 | Hikury | lol, perfect |
| 06:17.32 | Hikury | oh, and a secret "swear word" mode |
| 06:17.40 | Creeperbear | Hi. is this where I ask newbie questions about the map editor and you guys help me? |
| 06:17.52 | Hikury | NO, it's where we complain about blizzard |
| 06:17.54 | Hikury | goodbye |
| 06:18.19 | Creeperbear | blizzard should have made me a video tutorial |
| 06:18.21 | Shawn|Rawr | Creeperbear, yes.. |
| 06:18.23 | Creeperbear | those scums |
| 06:18.38 | Hikury | what do you need to know? |
| 06:18.57 | Creeperbear | so anyway im trying to spawn only players1 and 3, but otherwise keep the default melee options the same |
| 06:19.17 | Creeperbear | but if i try to set it to spawn the starting units for a certain player it forces me to choose a race |
| 06:20.05 | Shawn|Rawr | Choose a race in the lobby or the editor? |
| 06:20.21 | Rodrigo | how the fucking hell can someone think that I added bad words in my dictionary and reported my own map just to be able to bash blizzard? |
| 06:20.33 | Rodrigo | jesus! |
| 06:20.42 | Creeperbear | in the editor, the action to spawn default melee starting units requires that you pick t, z or p for some reason |
| 06:20.55 | Creeperbear | i dont know if that would be overruled by the lobby selection or whatever |
| 06:22.33 | Creeperbear | basically what im trying to do is make a team version of a 1v1, with shared spending/control, etc just for kicks but im new to the editor and cant really figure that out |
| 06:22.56 | Creeperbear | well that specific part of it, the shared control and spending was easy enough |
| 06:22.58 | Hikury | Rodrigo, I'm just an idiot who hasn't made a good map yet. But I say let fucktards be fucktards |
| 06:23.24 | Hikury | you have the moral high ground and the respect from people who matter |
| 06:23.32 | Hikury | don't let it get to you |
| 06:23.37 | Shawn|Rawr | Umm.. Well you couldn't have just left the default trigger alone to create all the stuff? |
| 06:24.02 | Rodrigo | It's so damn hard to make a map. It takes so much work to make a polished map like Nexus Word Wars. Then, in the next day blizzard bans it for some word I didn't know the meaning. And then, one guy comes saying that I did that all on purpose just to bash blizzard. omg! |
| 06:24.19 | Rodrigo | I'm just shocked how stupid the guy can be |
| 06:24.19 | Shawn|Rawr | Welcome to being popular |
| 06:24.26 | Shawn|Rawr | You'll get haters |
| 06:24.35 | Hikury | they see me rollin |
| 06:24.35 | Shawn|Rawr | They wish they could do what you do |
| 06:24.45 | Creeperbear | yeah, but then it will spawn nexuses for players 3 and 4 also, and it would end up being a 2v2 |
| 06:24.48 | Rodrigo | by the way, my map platform defense is now the most played. As soon as NWW comes back, I will have 2 maps on top :) |
| 06:25.27 | Hikury | well don't let the success get to you |
| 06:25.39 | Hikury | if you spend it all on hookers and blow you'll hit rock bottom |
| 06:25.43 | Rodrigo | lol |
| 06:26.23 | Rodrigo | I'm copying the dictionary to my map |
| 06:26.46 | Rodrigo | it takes half hour just to copy without reading it |
| 06:26.50 | Rodrigo | imagine if I read |
| 06:28.20 | ekcolnovkol | rodrigo |
| 06:28.23 | Rodrigo | yes |
| 06:28.24 | ekcolnovkol | they had valid reasons to take it down |
| 06:28.25 | ekcolnovkol | < _< |
| 06:28.31 | ekcolnovkol | and they're giving you a chance |
| 06:28.35 | Rodrigo | they could have warned me |
| 06:28.38 | ekcolnovkol | i don't see why you'd be qq'ing |
| 06:28.40 | Rodrigo | at least 24 hours |
| 06:28.49 | Rodrigo | I'm not qq'ing anything |
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| 06:28.52 | ekcolnovkol | yes, this is your warning, they'll put it back up once you fix the issue <. < |
| 06:29.06 | ekcolnovkol | > .> |
| 06:29.11 | Rodrigo | the problem is that it's high the chances of another word offending someone |
| 06:29.12 | ekcolnovkol | >. > |
| 06:29.15 | ekcolnovkol | .> > |
| 06:29.18 | Rodrigo | and this time, the ban is forever |
| 06:29.22 | ekcolnovkol | so |
| 06:29.23 | Rodrigo | and might take my account together |
| 06:29.30 | ekcolnovkol | check it thorougly :/ |
| 06:29.41 | Rodrigo | I've checked 32000 words thorougly |
| 06:29.46 | ekcolnovkol | cool |
| 06:29.49 | Rodrigo | the problem is that some words just blizzard finds offensive |
| 06:29.56 | ekcolnovkol | so |
| 06:29.58 | ekcolnovkol | better safe than sorry |
| 06:30.00 | Hikury | you did 3-9? |
| 06:30.01 | ekcolnovkol | ;/ |
| 06:30.05 | ekcolnovkol | anyways |
| 06:30.13 | Rodrigo | eckol |
| 06:30.21 | Rodrigo | imagine if they ban it because of the word "black" |
| 06:30.25 | Rodrigo | because it's offensive |
| 06:30.34 | Rodrigo | how would I know that? |
| 06:30.43 | Rodrigo | in 32000 words, how would I know that black was offensive |
| 06:31.02 | Rodrigo | its too much words, there will be always an offensive words that no one found out |
| 06:32.36 | Rodrigo | by the way, dictionary words without a context shouldn't be considered offensive |
| 06:32.50 | Rodrigo | any kid can play scrabble |
| 06:33.49 | Shawn|Rawr | I wonder how many points whoremonger would be |
| 06:34.15 | Shawn|Rawr | Creeperbear is ignoring my PM :P |
| 06:34.53 | Creeperbear | oh sorry im back |
| 06:40.53 | Rodrigo | Shawn|Rawr did u read the words? I will publish the map today with them |
| 06:41.27 | Shawn|Rawr | I read through a lot already, looks really good |
| 06:41.51 | Rodrigo | :) |
| 06:42.10 | Rodrigo | I will take a shower. I will need someone to test the game with me |
| 06:42.15 | Rodrigo | before I publish |
| 06:42.24 | Rodrigo | just to make sure it's working |
| 06:43.30 | Demalii | i can |
| 06:43.35 | Rodrigo | nice |
| 06:43.41 | Rodrigo | I will be back in half-hour |
| 06:43.46 | Demalii | k |
| 06:43.46 | Rodrigo | so we can test Nexus Word Wars :) |
| 06:43.51 | Rodrigo | the new |
| 06:43.54 | Demalii | right on |
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| 06:59.43 | Hikury | Rod's euro isn't he? |
| 06:59.52 | Shawn|Rawr | Rod is NA |
| 07:00.01 | Hikury | cool |
| 07:00.16 | Shawn|Rawr | Rodrigo.881 if I remember correctly |
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| 07:14.36 | Rodrigo | yes |
| 07:14.45 | Rodrigo | Shawn, what page are you? |
| 07:17.18 | Shawn|Rawr | 100 |
| 07:17.32 | Shawn|Rawr | oh wait.. nevermind.. |
| 07:17.51 | Shawn|Rawr | I forgot i was doing searches for all the bad words i know |
| 07:19.25 | Shawn|Rawr | I hope they wouldnt ban you for mead |
| 07:19.29 | Shawn|Rawr | that would be stupid |
| 07:19.49 | Hikury | people dumb enough to be offended by mead don't know what it means |
| 07:20.04 | Rodrigo | what is mead? |
| 07:20.16 | Hikury | old fasioned booze |
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| 07:21.04 | Rodrigo | what is booze |
| 07:21.43 | Hikury | liquor, alcoholic beverages |
| 07:21.54 | Hikury | silly juice |
| 07:22.30 | Rodrigo | hmm |
| 07:22.43 | Rodrigo | well, the characters on the campaign drink alcohol |
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| 07:24.50 | Hikury | they also say "jesus" |
| 07:24.56 | Hikury | I think... |
| 07:25.09 | Shawn|Rawr | lol.. cox |
| 07:25.51 | Shawn|Rawr | there are a lot of multiples in here i think |
| 07:26.56 | Shawn|Rawr | pood lol |
| 07:29.24 | DJSplendid | mead is an alcoholic drink made from fermented honey |
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| 07:33.23 | Rodrigo | ok, who will test Nexus Word Wars with me? |
| 07:33.36 | LordAbyss | its a quiet night tonight |
| 07:33.39 | LordAbyss | toooo quiet |
| 07:33.42 | Rodrigo | lol |
| 07:33.52 | LordAbyss | hides the bloody knife. |
| 07:34.11 | Rodrigo | .... |
| 07:34.18 | LordAbyss | i can't rodrigo, i should be finishing up my essay that is due tomorrow |
| 07:34.22 | LordAbyss | wait i mean today |
| 07:34.24 | LordAbyss | >.> |
| 07:34.38 | Rodrigo | ..... |
| 07:34.50 | Shawn|Rawr | I made it to page 68 just now |
| 07:34.53 | Rodrigo | make sure there's no bad words on your essay :P |
| 07:34.55 | Shawn|Rawr | Damn thats a lot of words |
| 07:35.07 | Shawn|Rawr | Ya, Blizz will ban your essay |
| 07:35.08 | LordAbyss | hell, my teacher might applaud me for using bad words correctly |
| 07:35.09 | Rodrigo | Shawn, I bet with you that blizzard didn't read them |
| 07:35.10 | LordAbyss | :) |
| 07:35.23 | Rodrigo | they started reading |
| 07:35.33 | LordAbyss | its because i reported fish being a bad word |
| 07:35.36 | Rodrigo | then, they just screw and said that the words were just example |
| 07:35.52 | LordAbyss | fish scare me |
| 07:36.03 | LordAbyss | can't have them anywhere |
| 07:36.07 | Shawn|Rawr | im on page 69 lol |
| 07:36.29 | Rodrigo | :P |
| 07:36.46 | Rodrigo | any bad word so far? |
| 07:37.05 | Shawn|Rawr | umm.. a few that I have no idea if someone will try to construe it as ba |
| 07:37.07 | Shawn|Rawr | bad |
| 07:37.15 | Shawn|Rawr | But no real bad words |
| 07:37.37 | Shawn|Rawr | I don't think blizz would ban you for anything silly though |
| 07:38.06 | Rodrigo | if they do, I quit map making for real |
| 07:38.17 | Rodrigo | like "your map is banned permanently because of the word fish" |
| 07:38.31 | LordAbyss | really rodrigo, you should just create a new thread (can't believe i am saying this) and have people post words |
| 07:38.41 | Shawn|Rawr | He has a thread |
| 07:38.45 | LordAbyss | instead of using a giant library you don't want to check completely |
| 07:39.16 | Shawn|Rawr | If he wanted to go through all that trouble, I'd just make a wordlist myself |
| 07:39.19 | Rodrigo | the hardest part is not the words, but the structure. You can see they are all in arrays |
| 07:39.35 | Rodrigo | the first version of NWW, I had my own list |
| 07:39.47 | Rodrigo | it took me the whole day to get less than 1000 words |
| 07:39.53 | Rodrigo | the WHOLE DAY |
| 07:40.06 | LordAbyss | you could just make a simple program that gets a single word and reconfigures the text to output an array style |
| 07:40.30 | Rodrigo | I would get a lot of repetitive words |
| 07:40.39 | Rodrigo | and making grammar mistakes typing them |
| 07:40.52 | Rodrigo | and its hard to divide into types |
| 07:41.01 | Rodrigo | and people can script it |
| 07:41.06 | Rodrigo | and cheat on game |
| 07:41.08 | LordAbyss | or just use a random letter generator |
| 07:41.10 | Rodrigo | as I heard they were doing |
| 07:41.14 | Rodrigo | when the game had only 1000 words |
| 07:41.18 | Rodrigo | not it was 6000 |
| 07:41.23 | Hikury | couldnt you use a string? |
| 07:41.24 | Rodrigo | it had 6000/week |
| 07:41.41 | Rodrigo | im using string |
| 07:41.55 | Rodrigo | but they are shared in different strings |
| 07:41.58 | Hikury | ah, that's what I figured |
| 07:41.59 | Shawn|Rawr | I'm just saying, I'd make a wordlist if you really needed it |
| 07:42.04 | Shawn|Rawr | I know it'd take weeks |
| 07:42.07 | Rodrigo | so the game can catch fast a word needed |
| 07:42.27 | Rodrigo | I have a wordlist, its much easier to just remove bad words |
| 07:42.36 | LordAbyss | you should make a derivative problem. and when it comes announce in big letters....THE DERIVATIVE HAS ARRIVE YOUR DOOM IS NIGH |
| 07:42.45 | Rodrigo | lol |
| 07:42.57 | Rodrigo | the problem is that people wont to know how to type |
| 07:43.05 | Hikury | well, it couldn't hurt to remove all word with a "-" in them |
| 07:43.06 | LordAbyss | hence doom |
| 07:43.07 | Rodrigo | thats why there's no division |
| 07:43.14 | Hikury | like south-of-southwest |
| 07:43.16 | Galois-evariste | derivative? |
| 07:43.24 | Rodrigo | people dont know that "/" means division |
| 07:43.37 | LordAbyss | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derivative |
| 07:43.42 | Shawn|Rawr | Everyone I know knows that |
| 07:43.42 | Rodrigo | I know |
| 07:43.43 | Galois-evariste | i knew what that symbol meant on the computer since i was a toddler |
| 07:43.59 | Rodrigo | I'm taking Calculus 3 |
| 07:44.00 | Galois-evariste | abyss - how much of that article do you understand? |
| 07:44.09 | LordAbyss | you think i read that? |
| 07:44.14 | Galois-evariste | you linked it |
| 07:44.22 | LordAbyss | dude its wikipedia |
| 07:44.23 | Galois-evariste | so clearly you thought it was worth reading |
| 07:44.25 | LordAbyss | you link and forget |
| 07:44.25 | Shawn|Rawr | I know it all :p |
| 07:44.26 | LordAbyss | duh |
| 07:44.29 | Rodrigo | I have a midterm of calculus 3 friday. I should be studying, but I am fixing nexus word wars |
| 07:44.43 | Galois-evariste | rodrigo - go study |
| 07:44.50 | Hikury | and is it fixed yet? |
| 07:44.53 | LordAbyss | i should be in calculus my first semester of college |
| 07:44.54 | Hikury | I thought there'd be testing by now |
| 07:44.56 | Rodrigo | nope |
| 07:45.00 | Rodrigo | I'm publishing this map today |
| 07:45.12 | Shawn|Rawr | lol.. chesty |
| 07:45.13 | Galois-evariste | rodrigo - its too late in the evening. everybody gives a fuck about nexus word wars right now is asleep |
| 07:45.13 | Rodrigo | someone, get on battle.net. I need some good fellow to help me testing it. |
| 07:45.16 | Rodrigo | Rodrigo.881 |
| 07:45.16 | Galois-evariste | go study |
| 07:45.31 | Rodrigo | its too late to study |
| 07:45.32 | Hikury | I already friended you |
| 07:45.38 | Galois-evariste | its never too late to study |
| 07:45.40 | Rodrigo | if I get the book, I will sleep because im really tired |
| 07:45.49 | Galois-evariste | what is your midterm on? |
| 07:45.52 | Shawn|Rawr | Rod, it can wait one more day if you need to study |
| 07:46.00 | LordAbyss | wants a cookie |
| 07:46.02 | Shawn|Rawr | ok |
| 07:46.07 | Rodrigo | calc 3. vectors, planes, 3d-lines, and all that shit stuff |
| 07:46.14 | Galois-evariste | rodrigo - go to sleep now |
| 07:46.15 | Rodrigo | 3d graphs, etc |
| 07:46.17 | Galois-evariste | wake up early in the morning and study |
| 07:46.22 | Shawn|Rawr | Hmm.. chesty means having big boobs apparently |
| 07:46.24 | Shawn|Rawr | lol |
| 07:46.25 | Rodrigo | I will wake up early anyway |
| 07:46.29 | Rodrigo | I have class in the morning |
| 07:47.08 | Galois-evariste | go to sleep and wake up early and not feel like shit |
| 07:49.12 | LordAbyss | psh i have to wake up in 6 hours and i want to finish my paper and i have some math homework that shouldn't take to long at all |
| 07:49.40 | Shawn|Rawr | i dont like the word sodom |
| 07:49.45 | Shawn|Rawr | makes me think of sodomy |
| 07:49.50 | Shawn|Rawr | which makes me think of jail |
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| 07:52.43 | Hikury | just played the most offensive game I have ever experienced |
| 07:53.04 | Galois-evariste | i played my most offensive game yesterday |
| 07:53.08 | Galois-evariste | i raged for like an hour |
| 07:53.14 | Galois-evariste | and didn't calm down until i started drinking |
| 07:53.31 | Hikury | minecraft? |
| 07:54.17 | Galois-evariste | sc2 |
| 07:54.19 | Galois-evariste | of course |
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| 07:54.46 | crazyfingers | sup mapsters? |
| 07:54.56 | Galois-evariste | what did you do? dig underneath your house and find an elaborate network of tunnels containing nazi propaganda? |
| 07:54.57 | Rodrigo | sup. |
| 07:55.14 | Rodrigo | I will read some of my words before sending to blizzard an email saying that NWW was published |
| 07:55.15 | crazyfingers | nada bored, can't bring myself to work on my mod :P |
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| 07:56.48 | Shawn|Rawr | Rod, I'm on page 100 and haven't found anything |
| 07:57.00 | Shawn|Rawr | I still don't like sodom, but that may just be me |
| 07:58.19 | Rodrigo | I found narco-terrorism |
| 07:58.25 | Rodrigo | but I dont think that is offensive |
| 07:58.36 | Hikury | I'd still yank it |
| 08:01.28 | Shawn|Rawr | Are we also supposed to be calling out multiples? |
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| 08:06.45 | Rodrigo | yeah, but multiples arent that important now |
| 08:06.55 | Rodrigo | im more concerned about offensive words |
| 08:07.05 | Rodrigo | jesus, its so much words |
| 08:07.09 | Rodrigo | I'm trying to read here |
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| 08:07.44 | Shawn|Rawr | I'm at least halfway through |
| 08:08.01 | Rodrigo | I will publish the game now, but I won't release the news that the game is publish. I will keep it low on popularity for a few days, so more people can read this. |
| 08:08.07 | Rodrigo | thanks :) |
| 08:08.32 | SycoPrime | Someone make sure rodrigo has a thesaurus, and dog-ear the page with "lesbian" on it. |
| 08:08.45 | Rodrigo | lol |
| 08:09.25 | Rodrigo | I wont even bother sending this pdf to blizzard because I know they wont read |
| 08:09.31 | ZarafFaraz | hey Rodrigo |
| 08:09.34 | ZarafFaraz | your platform defense is #1 |
| 08:09.40 | Rodrigo | yeah I saw :P |
| 08:09.47 | Rodrigo | I just added a joke on Platform defense |
| 08:09.51 | Rodrigo | check it out :P |
| 08:10.08 | ZarafFaraz | yeah I saw that |
| 08:10.17 | ZarafFaraz | not sure how that guy played NWW without a keyboard |
| 08:10.17 | Rodrigo | "Hidra beat Nexus Word Wars without a keyboard. He didn't say GG" |
| 08:10.31 | Rodrigo | lol |
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| 08:10.41 | Rodrigo | its impossible |
| 08:10.44 | Rodrigo | its a typing game |
| 08:10.54 | ZarafFaraz | ok |
| 08:11.01 | SycoPrime | Not impossible. |
| 08:11.05 | ZarafFaraz | well technically you could copy and paste from Character Map |
| 08:11.14 | SycoPrime | Or voice recognition software. |
| 08:12.16 | SycoPrime | Obviously "gg" wasn't in his dictionary, it probably kept trying to type "Gigi" until everyone left. |
| 08:12.48 | SycoPrime | Or maybe he was too busy yelling at it; "No, not jacuzzi!" |
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| 08:24.43 | Shawn|Rawr | geez this is so many words |
| 08:24.49 | Shawn|Rawr | my brains gonna explode |
| 08:24.53 | HeyRevolver | lol |
| 08:25.01 | HeyRevolver | is Boobjizz on there? |
| 08:25.29 | HeyRevolver | thats what my 12 yearold cousin calls his mom's breast milk |
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| 08:27.15 | Rodrigo | Shawn|Rawr what page are you? |
| 08:27.20 | Shawn|Rawr | 158 |
| 08:27.23 | Rodrigo | my brain already exploded here |
| 08:27.34 | Rodrigo | specially because I dont know the meaning of most of these words :( |
| 08:27.43 | Shawn|Rawr | I do, and I don't see any bad words |
| 08:27.52 | Shawn|Rawr | Though I still don't like sodom |
| 08:28.06 | Shawn|Rawr | cuz you add a y to the end and it means getting butt raped |
| 08:28.10 | Shawn|Rawr | :P |
| 08:28.17 | HeyRevolver | lol |
| 08:28.20 | HeyRevolver | Sodom is a city |
| 08:28.25 | HeyRevolver | Sodom and Gamorra |
| 08:28.49 | HeyRevolver | h |
| 08:29.13 | Shawn|Rawr | Yes, and they all died |
| 08:29.17 | Shawn|Rawr | :D |
| 08:29.17 | HeyRevolver | yup |
| 08:29.23 | HeyRevolver | in a firey reign of heavenfire |
| 08:29.36 | Shawn|Rawr | Still I dislike the word sodomy, which comes from the name fo the city |
| 08:29.44 | HeyRevolver | yeah it is a nasty sounding word |
| 08:29.48 | Shawn|Rawr | But i guess thats still just me |
| 08:29.51 | HeyRevolver | nah i agree |
| 08:29.52 | HeyRevolver | 100% |
| 08:30.15 | Shawn|Rawr | they didnt like the word whore right? |
| 08:30.32 | HeyRevolver | lol they loved the word whore in Sodom and Gamorrah |
| 08:31.04 | Shawn|Rawr | no no no.. i mean blizz |
| 08:31.08 | Rodrigo | Shawn, did u find whore? |
| 08:31.08 | HeyRevolver | i know |
| 08:31.21 | Shawn|Rawr | No, but I found harlequin, which basically means the same thing |
| 08:31.25 | Shawn|Rawr | or at least afaik |
| 08:31.34 | Rodrigo | hmmm |
| 08:31.35 | HeyRevolver | nah harlequin isnt a whore |
| 08:31.37 | Rodrigo | ok I will remove |
| 08:31.40 | Rodrigo | ....... |
| 08:31.52 | HeyRevolver | Harlequin or Arlecchino in Italian, Arlequin in French, and ArlequÃÂn in Spanish is the most popular of the zanni or comic servant characters from the Italian Commedia dell'arte and its descendant, the Harlequinade. |
| 08:32.01 | HeyRevolver | its just a jester |
| 08:32.08 | Rodrigo | the dictionary says that harlequin isn't a whore |
| 08:32.09 | Shawn|Rawr | Oh really? |
| 08:32.11 | HeyRevolver | yup |
| 08:32.20 | HeyRevolver | a harlequin = a king's jester |
| 08:32.26 | HeyRevolver | like Harley Quinn |
| 08:32.27 | HeyRevolver | from batman |
| 08:32.35 | Shawn|Rawr | I'm thinking of a song that refers to whoreish girls as harlequins |
| 08:32.39 | HeyRevolver | ah |
| 08:32.40 | Shawn|Rawr | is where im getting it from |
| 08:32.49 | Rodrigo | ok I will remove harlequin |
| 08:33.00 | Shawn|Rawr | and sodom, just to make me feel better |
| 08:33.04 | HeyRevolver | hahaha |
| 08:34.09 | Shawn|Rawr | I have another half hour to finish these words so i think I will have looked through them all |
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| 08:34.44 | Shawn|Rawr | this guy again.. |
| 08:34.54 | Shawn|Rawr | did blizz say anything about religion-type words? |
| 08:35.07 | HeyRevolver | none are aaceptable |
| 08:35.08 | Shawn|Rawr | besides jesus |
| 08:35.13 | HeyRevolver | avoid religion alltogether |
| 08:35.15 | Shawn|Rawr | what about paganize? |
| 08:35.17 | HeyRevolver | is Jesus isnt allowed |
| 08:35.21 | HeyRevolver | I would say nothing is allowed |
| 08:35.24 | HeyRevolver | related to religion |
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| 08:35.33 | HeyRevolver | except words like "worship" that can apply to something else |
| 08:35.40 | HeyRevolver | anything that is strictly religous I would avoid |
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| 08:36.52 | Rodrigo | do you think paganize is offensive? |
| 08:36.56 | HeyRevolver | yes |
| 08:37.01 | Rodrigo | ok |
| 08:37.02 | HeyRevolver | not personally |
| 08:37.04 | Rodrigo | I will remove it too |
| 08:37.11 | HeyRevolver | but I can see Blizzard saying it is offensive |
| 08:37.32 | HeyRevolver | and paganize isn't a word |
| 08:37.36 | HeyRevolver | pagan is though |
| 08:38.18 | HeyRevolver | well I guess you can "ize" any word lol |
| 08:39.06 | Shawn|Rawr | I'm at the extreme words now |
| 08:39.59 | Shawn|Rawr | only words that i would even slightly want to remove are chesty, sodom, paganize, and harelquin |
| 08:40.08 | Shawn|Rawr | now for the long ass words |
| 08:40.16 | Rodrigo | ok both paganize and harlequin were removed from the game and from the pdf |
| 08:40.26 | HeyRevolver | harlequin! nooooooooo |
| 08:40.27 | Rodrigo | I will update the pdf |
| 08:40.29 | HeyRevolver | its not a bad word |
| 08:40.46 | Rodrigo | its already removed from the game and published |
| 08:40.47 | Shawn|Rawr | Prolly not, oh well |
| 08:41.01 | SycoPrime | Didn't Blizzard have harlequins as enemies in daiblo 2? |
| 08:41.06 | Shawn|Rawr | lol.. neoconservative |
| 08:41.07 | HeyRevolver | probably |
| 08:41.17 | HeyRevolver | neoconservative hahaha |
| 08:41.19 | SycoPrime | Wait, my bad. Sorry. Forgot that our standards were different for a minute there. |
| 08:41.19 | Rodrigo | they also have dykes |
| 08:41.34 | HeyRevolver | what? |
| 08:42.38 | HeyRevolver | i just thought of this but... sc2 doesnt say "online content not rated by the ESRB" like most games do.. |
| 08:42.39 | Shawn|Rawr | voyeuristically prolly not a good word |
| 08:42.41 | HeyRevolver | does itr? |
| 08:42.56 | HeyRevolver | voyeur doesn't have to refwer to porn ya know |
| 08:42.57 | HeyRevolver | lol |
| 08:43.13 | SycoPrime | And dyke doesn't have to refer to lesbian. |
| 08:43.15 | HeyRevolver | oh wait |
| 08:43.29 | Shawn|Rawr | voyeur is so porn |
| 08:43.30 | HeyRevolver | i take that back,voyeur is just a peeping tom |
| 08:43.35 | HeyRevolver | yeah my bad |
| 08:43.39 | SycoPrime | Indeed. |
| 08:43.47 | Rodrigo | UPDATED: http://static.sc2mapster.com/content/attachments/8/768/NWW_-_Small_Dictionary.pdf |
| 08:43.52 | Hikury | dyke is a lesbian, dike is the dam |
| 08:44.01 | HeyRevolver | and a jetty |
| 08:44.02 | HeyRevolver | ? |
| 08:44.06 | Rodrigo | dyke is a variation of dike |
| 08:44.11 | HeyRevolver | i never understood what a jetty was |
| 08:44.15 | SycoPrime | Jetty is a dock. |
| 08:44.16 | Hikury | dyke = as offensive as fag |
| 08:44.29 | SycoPrime | Rodrigo: You should release an "Eternally Appropriate" version, where the only word people can type is "word". |
| 08:44.29 | HeyRevolver | thats syco |
| 08:44.30 | Rodrigo | on the 60's |
| 08:44.34 | HeyRevolver | thanks* |
| 08:44.40 | Rodrigo | lol |
| 08:44.42 | Rodrigo | lol syco |
| 08:45.11 | Hikury | so is there no way to supress the chat messages rodrigo? |
| 08:45.17 | SycoPrime | It'd also be interesting to see an RPG where all of the dialog is just "Word word word word word, word word word word. Word. Word word word." |
| 08:45.34 | HeyRevolver | sounds like a rap song form the 80s |
| 08:45.47 | HeyRevolver | from* |
| 08:45.52 | SycoPrime | The Fresh Prince of Korhal RPG? |
| 08:45.56 | HeyRevolver | hahaha |
| 08:45.57 | SycoPrime | Or would that be copyright infringement? |
| 08:46.23 | Rodrigo | there's no way Hikury |
| 08:46.27 | Rodrigo | talking about chat |
| 08:46.31 | SycoPrime | "Iiiiin West Mar Sara, born and raised. On the slave ground is where I spent most of my days." |
| 08:46.33 | Rodrigo | I'm now so glad Debates isn't popular |
| 08:46.44 | Rodrigo | because Debates has content to be banned permanently |
| 08:47.00 | SycoPrime | Like gay rights and baby fucking. |
| 08:47.03 | HeyRevolver | "Chillin out maxin and relaxin all cool I was shootin some critters outside of my school" |
| 08:47.07 | Shawn|Rawr | Rodrigo, remove anything to do with the word voyeur |
| 08:47.07 | crazyfingers | I'm just curious rodrigo, what are you looking to get out of modding in SC2? |
| 08:47.11 | Shawn|Rawr | if you havent already |
| 08:47.24 | Rodrigo | crazyfingers, fun |
| 08:47.30 | crazyfingers | awesome |
| 08:47.34 | Rodrigo | I like creating games |
| 08:47.36 | SycoPrime | crazyfingers: He's looking to get sandwiches. |
| 08:47.42 | Rodrigo | that's why my major is computer science |
| 08:47.53 | crazyfingers | i could make you a ramen sandwich |
| 08:48.07 | Shawn|Rawr | hmm guys? sacrilegiousness? |
| 08:48.15 | SycoPrime | Can it. |
| 08:48.32 | Rodrigo | that word reminds me Egypt |
| 08:48.58 | SycoPrime | That's a country. |
| 08:49.18 | HeyRevolver | Rodrigas you remind me of Hogwarts |
| 08:49.47 | SycoPrime | Because he takes in little boys and teaches them to use a magic wand? |
| 08:49.51 | HeyRevolver | Yes. |
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| 08:51.15 | SycoPrime | Aww, he's too busy lookin' at words to laugh at my jokes. |
| 08:51.37 | HeyRevolver | i laughed hard enough for both os us |
| 08:51.37 | SycoPrime | Meanwhile I'mma link this, since it hasn't had any lulz in almost two days: http://forums.sc2mapster.com/general/off-topic/13635-the-map-blizzard-banned/ |
| 08:52.07 | Rodrigo | lol |
| 08:53.17 | HeyRevolver | Fail. |
| 08:53.22 | HeyRevolver | gotta go later guys |
| 08:55.04 | Mephs | uah |
| 08:57.16 | Shawn|Rawr | Think blizz likes hemorrhoids? |
| 08:57.35 | Hikury | too anal-related |
| 08:58.05 | Shawn|Rawr | so hemorrhoidectomy has to go |
| 08:59.16 | HeyRevolver | lol |
| 08:59.26 | HeyRevolver | hemorrhoids, while funny, is not offensive |
| 08:59.44 | Shawn|Rawr | Why take a chance? ;) |
| 09:00.00 | HeyRevolver | I am 100% positive you will not get banned for using the word |
| 09:01.17 | Rodrigo | Shawn, what the word? |
| 09:01.18 | Shawn|Rawr | ok.. page 195 |
| 09:01.36 | Shawn|Rawr | hemorrhoidectomy |
| 09:01.39 | Rodrigo | hemorrhoidectomy |
| 09:01.40 | Rodrigo | ok |
| 09:01.44 | Shawn|Rawr | voyeuristically |
| 09:02.06 | Rodrigo | changed to alphamegamia, ok? |
| 09:02.13 | Shawn|Rawr | i hope you scroll up and see the other few words i have said |
| 09:02.21 | Shawn|Rawr | i dont know what that means so its ok |
| 09:02.24 | Rodrigo | what words? |
| 09:04.00 | Shawn|Rawr | voyueristically, the hemorrhoid one, sodom, harlequin, paganize, i think thats all |
| 09:04.10 | DJSplendid | anyone who finds a word offenisve is a retard. *meanings in context* are a diff matter |
| 09:04.12 | Shawn|Rawr | suggestions of course, dont have to remove them |
| 09:04.26 | Shawn|Rawr | DJ, We've already been through this argument |
| 09:04.33 | DJSplendid | no argument :D |
| 09:04.38 | DJSplendid | but good |
| 09:04.44 | DJSplendid | GOOD CHILDREN OF THE THOUGHT |
| 09:04.45 | Shawn|Rawr | ok, we're just finishing up |
| 09:05.05 | DJSplendid | did you get religion condemned as a dangerous delusion? |
| 09:05.16 | DJSplendid | s'only Wednesday. no rush |
| 09:05.21 | Shawn|Rawr | I'd rather avoid religion altogether |
| 09:05.29 | Shawn|Rawr | in the map |
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| 09:05.48 | DJSplendid | chances are your tax money pays for a church somehwere......................... |
| 09:05.59 | Shawn|Rawr | I don't care |
| 09:08.05 | Mephs | praise allah |
| 09:09.07 | Rodrigo | sacrilegiousness changed to filipendulous |
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| 09:12.57 | Shawn|Rawr | What happens to words that aren't spelled right? lol |
| 09:14.03 | Shawn|Rawr | Oh wow.. nevermind that |
| 09:14.17 | Rodrigo | Shawn, the new version is already published: http://static.sc2mapster.com/content/attachments/8/769/NWW_-_Small_Dictionary.pdf |
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| 09:16.13 | Rodrigo | I sent a copy to blizz (the link, so I can change) |
| 09:16.14 | Shawn|Rawr | ok, i'm on page 208 |
| 09:16.19 | Rodrigo | :D |
| 09:16.36 | Shawn|Rawr | the extreme words take a lot longer to look through |
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| 09:20.38 | Shawn|Rawr | lol..rodrigo, please take out pseudohermaphrodite |
| 09:20.47 | Rodrigo | lol, ok |
| 09:20.54 | Rodrigo | what more? |
| 09:25.06 | Shawn|Rawr | did you say something about narcoterrorism earlier? |
| 09:25.38 | Shawn|Rawr | Rodrigo |
| 09:25.49 | Rodrigo | yes |
| 09:26.04 | Rodrigo | I said I've found narcoterrorism |
| 09:26.07 | Rodrigo | show I remove it? |
| 09:26.16 | Shawn|Rawr | Sure. |
| 09:26.21 | Shawn|Rawr | I'm done looking |
| 09:26.24 | Rodrigo | narcoterrorism and pseudohermaphrodite? |
| 09:26.48 | Mephs | if a bitter 40 year old religious fat single woman wont approve of it |
| 09:26.49 | Mephs | take it out |
| 09:27.09 | DJSplendid | yeah, let em run roughshod over us |
| 09:27.16 | DJSplendid | make a fucking stand |
| 09:27.31 | Rodrigo | it would be so much easier if blizzard accepted to give me 24-hours warnings |
| 09:28.14 | Shawn|Rawr | ya rod, take those out and i think you're golden |
| 09:28.27 | Shawn|Rawr | should be absolutely no way you get banned again |
| 09:28.56 | Rodrigo | lol |
| 09:29.01 | Rodrigo | im really glad you helped |
| 09:29.05 | Rodrigo | thanks for helping me :) |
| 09:29.23 | Rodrigo | I'm removing the words right now |
| 09:29.25 | Rodrigo | and publishing it |
| 09:30.09 | Rodrigo | Is cachinnation a bad word? |
| 09:30.55 | Shawn|Rawr | not at all |
| 09:31.10 | Shawn|Rawr | seems to be really loud laughing lol |
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| 09:32.00 | Rodrigo | pseudohermaphrodite changed to onychophagy |
| 09:32.51 | Rodrigo | narcoterrorism changed to cachinnation |
| 09:33.55 | Rodrigo | map published with the new changes :) |
| 09:34.33 | Shawn|Rawr | great. i wish you the best of luck sir |
| 09:34.51 | Shawn|Rawr | and remember me when you get famous |
| 09:35.18 | Rodrigo | lol. give me ur nickname |
| 09:35.25 | Rodrigo | I will add on one of the overlords |
| 09:35.45 | Shawn|Rawr | on bnet i'm just Shawn |
| 09:36.02 | Shawn|Rawr | on mapster i'm Shawn91210 |
| 09:36.09 | Shawn|Rawr | on irc im Shawn|Rawr |
| 09:36.11 | Hikury | omg add Hikury, I found hajj! |
| 09:36.46 | Shawn|Rawr | oh ya, check for hajj and hadj |
| 09:36.58 | Shawn|Rawr | and maybe haaj |
| 09:37.10 | Rodrigo | can I add just "Shawn" then? |
| 09:37.13 | Shawn|Rawr | more religious stuff |
| 09:37.17 | Shawn|Rawr | yes, shawn is fine |
| 09:37.18 | Arthas--- | http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2010/10/18/blizzard-suing-creators-of-starcraft-ii-hacks/ |
| 09:37.19 | Arthas--- | O_o |
| 09:37.33 | Rodrigo | should I remove hajj? |
| 09:37.39 | Arthas--- | no more hacking in sp? =< |
| 09:37.45 | Hikury | yeah, it's a muslim festival |
| 09:38.08 | Hikury | they're all listed in the posts I made tho |
| 09:38.42 | Shawn|Rawr | remove hajj, hadj, and haaj if you have those |
| 09:38.52 | Shawn|Rawr | all diff spellings of the same word |
| 09:38.59 | Hikury | also haj |
| 09:39.02 | Shawn|Rawr | that too |
| 09:39.32 | Shawn|Rawr | thanks hik, i forgot about that one |
| 09:39.46 | Rodrigo | hadj changed to game |
| 09:39.59 | Rodrigo | overload gramma renamed to shawn |
| 09:40.03 | Rodrigo | overlord* |
| 09:40.39 | Rodrigo | map published |
| 09:41.31 | Shawn|Rawr | im so sleepy now |
| 09:41.41 | Rodrigo | pdf created |
| 09:42.52 | Rodrigo | file uploaded |
| 09:42.57 | Rodrigo | http://static.sc2mapster.com/content/attachments/8/771/NWW_-_Small_Dictionary.pdf |
| 09:43.09 | Rodrigo | finally, this is the final one :D |
| 09:43.11 | Rodrigo | \o/ |
| 09:43.22 | Shawn|Rawr | i hope sp |
| 09:43.25 | Shawn|Rawr | so* |
| 09:47.23 | Rodrigo | :) |
| 09:47.28 | Rodrigo | now I can finally sleep :D |
| 09:47.31 | Rodrigo | \o/ |
| 09:47.46 | Rodrigo | I just hope blizzard features it, because it was soooooooooooo much work :P |
| 09:49.56 | Hikury | And thus ends a day where the only thing discussed in Sc2mapster IRC is NWW |
| 09:50.06 | Hikury | fin |
| 09:50.30 | Rodrigo | LOL |
| 09:50.45 | Rodrigo | gnight! |
| 09:50.56 | Shawn|Rawr | nite |
| 09:53.17 | Rodrigo | thanks for helping :) |
| 09:53.20 | Rodrigo | see ya |
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| 09:58.41 | SycoPrime | That...worked out excellently. |
| 09:58.46 | SycoPrime | I just Xibited the carrier. |
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| 10:01.28 | Bibendus[AFK] | why there are no functions about unit sight? |
| 10:01.28 | Bibendus[AFK] | is no longer away : Gone for 2 hours 29 minutes 32 seconds |
| 10:01.29 | Bibendus[AFK] | :| |
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| 10:04.46 | SycoPrime | What are you trying to do? |
| 10:04.51 | SycoPrime | There's a "Unit sees unit" event. |
| 10:05.00 | Bibendus[AFK] | yes= |
| 10:05.01 | Bibendus[AFK] | ? |
| 10:05.10 | Bibendus[AFK] | however i m doin it with doodads |
| 10:05.26 | SycoPrime | Beats the animal feces out of me. |
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| 10:05.40 | Bibendus | its the dungeon keeper map |
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| 10:05.46 | vjeux | ~seen Acemore |
| 10:05.48 | purl | acemore <~lol@228.84-49-196.nextgentel.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 30d 15h 13m 41s ago, saying: 'does anyone know if enabling dependancies on a map made before release still causes it to bug?'. |
| 10:05.48 | Bibendus | i must check what walls i can see |
| 10:05.48 | Bibendus | and what i can't |
| 10:06.00 | Bibendus | ~seen otixa |
| 10:06.00 | purl | otixa <~Otixa@cpc3-staf7-2-0-cust220.3-1.cable.virginmedia.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 4d 50m 42s ago, saying: 'Now, where's my complementary beer and hooker? ¬_¬'. |
| 10:06.03 | vjeux | 30days zomg |
| 10:06.08 | Bibendus | omg otixa disappeared! |
| 10:06.15 | vjeux | :( |
| 10:06.20 | Bibendus | since saturday |
| 10:15.38 | SycoPrime | So....I put a carrier in my carrier. |
| 10:15.45 | SycoPrime | I'm intercepting while I intercept. |
| 10:17.23 | Bibendus | lolllll |
| 10:17.30 | Bibendus | black hole incoming |
| 10:17.38 | Bibendus | infinite carriers |
| 10:17.38 | Bibendus | xD |
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| 11:08.46 | Ashamed | good morning |
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| 11:14.04 | Clord | middleday |
| 11:14.06 | Clord | whatevrer ^^ |
| 11:14.08 | Clord | whatever |
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| 11:24.06 | Ducky | Hi |
| 11:24.33 | Ducky | Somebody please help! I've duplicated tychus toss grenade ability and have a problem with it |
| 11:25.03 | Ducky | explosion animation occurs before granade have landed =[ |
| 11:25.16 | Ducky | anyone know how to fix it? |
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| 11:48.24 | ElemenoSC | Is there anyway to modify a units damage by a fraction in behaviors much like you can modify its health, attack speed & movement speed? |
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| 12:11.00 | vjeux | news |
| 12:11.36 | Ashamed | whats the news |
| 12:14.12 | vjeux | sc2mapster.com :p |
| 12:15.38 | Ashamed | oh i refreshed the site when you said that and nothing came up |
| 12:15.41 | Ashamed | that was your bad |
| 12:17.28 | Clord | yay |
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| 12:42.06 | nolliepoper | need 1 beta testor for 2 minutes tops query me. |
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| 14:17.13 | ZarafFaraz | lol Bounty really likes his WASD controls and third person games |
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| 14:52.36 | vjeux | everybody is at the blizzcon or what? :p |
| 14:53.12 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 14:55.56 | Fisker | farts on nicoli_s |
| 14:55.58 | Fisker | FOR FREE |
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| 15:07.07 | Sixen | BlizzCon isn't until Friday ;x |
| 15:07.17 | Sixen | But it's super quiet in here... And there's only 80 people |
| 15:07.18 | Sixen | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:08.19 | Megalon | /boggle kills fisker's connection? why didn't you tell me sixen, WHY? |
| 15:08.32 | Sixen | :O |
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| 15:27.15 | Araxnid | hello everyone |
| 15:28.39 | RodOfNOD | morn |
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| 15:32.53 | Araxnid | Tordy! TOORDY! |
| 15:32.56 | Ousnius | hey |
| 15:32.58 | Araxnid | ~see tordy |
| 15:32.58 | purl | ACTION whispers to tordy "You didn't see anything...." |
| 15:33.00 | Ousnius | erm...I've got a problem |
| 15:33.08 | Araxnid | ~seen Tordy |
| 15:33.26 | purl | tordy <62745298@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.116.82.152> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 11h 25m 13s ago, saying: 'oooh'. |
| 15:33.36 | Araxnid | nice last word |
| 15:33.36 | Araxnid | xD |
| 15:33.41 | Ousnius | I implemented a solo mode in my TD and |
| 15:33.51 | Jum-Jum | it was right after i told him where his network cable was |
| 15:34.09 | Ousnius | the towers are shooting over the fences to the other palyers |
| 15:34.14 | Ousnius | how can I prevent that? |
| 15:35.30 | TheGrandWinner | LOS |
| 15:37.13 | Araxnid | people, can someone explain me about one thing in damage response field? in behaviors - buff? |
| 15:37.32 | Araxnid | i wanna to set that player will igrnore, or consume 10% of damage, for example |
| 15:37.41 | Araxnid | as i understand i need to set fraction to 10? or what? |
| 15:38.40 | Araxnid | hm? anyone? |
| 15:41.21 | Araxnid | i like this helfull irc |
| 15:41.23 | Araxnid | xD |
| 15:41.55 | Jum-Jum | I would help if I could |
| 15:42.07 | Jum-Jum | but I don't know any of that set |
| 15:42.07 | Jum-Jum | stuff* |
| 15:42.16 | Jum-Jum | wow why did I type set, weird |
| 15:46.58 | Araxnid | :)) |
| 15:48.21 | Jum-Jum | must be because i read your sentence |
| 15:48.25 | Jum-Jum | damn fever |
| 15:48.26 | Jum-Jum | :| |
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| 15:52.33 | Tordy | alright, who won the map contest? |
| 15:52.41 | Tordy | blizz's custom map contest |
| 15:54.19 | Tordy | what's a CTD? |
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| 15:55.09 | bsmedberg | Help! The textures on my cliff walls all just disappeared, and now my cliffs are all textured with grass/concrete (ground textures). |
| 15:55.21 | bsmedberg | Does anyone know what I did, or how I can get my cliff wall textures back? |
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| 16:03.53 | Araxnid | Tordy |
| 16:04.03 | Araxnid | check my theme about this return damage ability |
| 16:04.11 | Araxnid | there a man who give a nice data solution |
| 16:04.30 | Araxnid | its not very effective in way how it realise, but i think it should work |
| 16:05.35 | Tordy | you theme? |
| 16:05.48 | Tordy | did blizz tell us who won the map contest yet |
| 16:05.52 | C-H | CTD = crash tower defense... cause it crashes the game |
| 16:06.01 | Jum-Jum | klol |
| 16:06.17 | Jum-Jum | -k |
| 16:06.23 | Jum-Jum | CTD = crash to desktop |
| 16:08.32 | Araxnid | Tordy, you was asking yesterday about ability |
| 16:09.06 | Tordy | i dont know where to check this solution |
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| 16:10.02 | Araxnid | Make a large search area to apply two buffs: One to your units (the "shield"), and a buff to enemy units that make them lose life equal to damage dealt. Put a validator on the second buff effect so it works on only the units with the "shield" ability on them. |
| 16:11.02 | Tordy | how does the lose life equal to damage dealt part work |
| 16:11.46 | Tordy | like what modification in the behavior |
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| 16:12.27 | Tordy | if he's talking about negative life leech, then that doesn't work 100% because it doesn't calculate damage bonuses and damage factors |
| 16:12.35 | Araxnid | ok |
| 16:12.54 | Araxnid | anyway i dont more wanna to study this thing, i just develope some other abilities |
| 16:13.00 | Tordy | :( |
| 16:13.03 | Tordy | one day |
| 16:13.10 | Tordy | someday |
| 16:13.12 | Tordy | :) |
| 16:13.22 | Araxnid | one day i will need it, yes =) |
| 16:13.29 | Tordy | didnt soulcarver get banned |
| 16:16.19 | Tordy | and another thing about negative life leech which took me a while to figure out: it doesn't take account of splash damage fractions either |
| 16:19.04 | Araxnid | i think you need talk with prozaicmuze or onetwo |
| 16:19.09 | Araxnid | i sure they get a solution for this |
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| 16:23.11 | ProzaicMuze | I need some good music to listen to while I edit 500+ images of a happy couple getting married |
| 16:23.29 | Tordy | Araxnid i talked to ProzaicMuze and he couldn't figure it out either |
| 16:23.29 | ProzaicMuze | It must be edgy and towards the electronica/techno/grundge side of things |
| 16:23.33 | ProzaicMuze | I can't take anymore happy |
| 16:23.34 | Tordy | hi ProzaicMuze |
| 16:23.48 | ProzaicMuze | Couldn't figure what out? |
| 16:23.59 | Tordy | % based reflect damage , data editor only solution |
| 16:24.12 | ProzaicMuze | There isn't one |
| 16:24.15 | Tordy | ^ |
| 16:24.17 | Tordy | :) |
| 16:24.17 | ProzaicMuze | That's something I brought up a while ago |
| 16:24.18 | Tordy | :( |
| 16:24.25 | ProzaicMuze | I posted in the blizzard Q&A about implementing it |
| 16:24.25 | Tordy | hi ProzaicMuze |
| 16:24.26 | ProzaicMuze | still no reply |
| 16:24.32 | ProzaicMuze | You'll need to use triggers to get it to work how you want |
| 16:24.41 | ProzaicMuze | You can do static damage though |
| 16:24.48 | Tordy | static damaage is laaame |
| 16:24.48 | ProzaicMuze | OR % of current/max health of the target |
| 16:24.49 | Tordy | :/ |
| 16:24.51 | ProzaicMuze | just no variable damage :*( |
| 16:25.07 | ProzaicMuze | But yeah |
| 16:25.09 | Tordy | i mean say a ghost deals 10 damage, it'll reflect a static 10 |
| 16:25.09 | ProzaicMuze | GIMME MUSIC |
| 16:25.19 | Tordy | and then a freakin super tank deals 1000 damage, it'll reflect a measly 10 :( |
| 16:25.37 | ProzaicMuze | You could easily make a switch |
| 16:25.40 | ProzaicMuze | that takes damage levels |
| 16:25.44 | Tordy | forget it! |
| 16:25.46 | Tordy | xd |
| 16:25.51 | ProzaicMuze | 1-50 does X, 51-100 does 2x etc |
| 16:25.57 | ProzaicMuze | It actually wouldn't take that long |
| 16:26.01 | ProzaicMuze | It's just not a great curve |
| 16:26.10 | Tordy | yea but i'd want more precision than that |
| 16:26.25 | ProzaicMuze | precision is for losers |
| 16:26.29 | ProzaicMuze | and people now employed by bliz |
| 16:26.45 | Tordy | and then when you got that many, the trigger solution would prob be more efficient at that point |
| 16:26.50 | Tordy | hi ProzaicMuze |
| 16:26.52 | Tordy | hi~! |
| 16:26.55 | Tordy | hi onetwo |
| 16:27.01 | Tordy | he's not here :( |
| 16:27.05 | ProzaicMuze | unhi |
| 16:27.11 | Tordy | did blizz ever annoucne the winners |
| 16:27.16 | Tordy | do we know the winners |
| 16:27.21 | Tordy | because ive been out of a loop |
| 16:27.26 | ProzaicMuze | No, they're goign to officially announce at Blizzcon |
| 16:27.28 | Tordy | and completely forgot how the contest wouldend |
| 16:27.32 | ProzaicMuze | and some winners have stepped forward |
| 16:27.32 | Tordy | which is |
| 16:27.36 | Tordy | like |
| 16:27.39 | ProzaicMuze | But don't believe anything until Blizzcon |
| 16:27.48 | Tordy | blizzcon is |
| 16:27.51 | Tordy | friday and sat? |
| 16:28.00 | ProzaicMuze | No clue |
| 16:28.06 | ProzaicMuze | blizzcon doesn't interest me |
| 16:28.18 | Tordy | can they publish the maps after the contest ended (9/11)? |
| 16:28.26 | Tordy | so might already be seeing some winning maps already |
| 16:28.28 | slightlyrandom | D3 news interest me |
| 16:28.33 | Tordy | hi slightlyrandom |
| 16:28.35 | ProzaicMuze | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:28.44 | DarkRevenant | sup |
| 16:28.44 | ProzaicMuze | and skip to the pertinent parts |
| 16:28.47 | ProzaicMuze | like "will it suck?" |
| 16:28.48 | slightlyrandom | Yeah, but they keep news for themselves until Blizzcon |
| 16:28.49 | ProzaicMuze | Also |
| 16:28.51 | ProzaicMuze | gimme music |
| 16:28.55 | Tordy | where the heck is Sorcery Defense!? |
| 16:28.55 | ProzaicMuze | I need stuff to listen to |
| 16:28.57 | Tordy | argh i wanna play it |
| 16:29.07 | Tordy | after reading DarkRevenant's review of it |
| 16:29.27 | slightlyrandom | ProzaicMuze: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-vXEJrU9i0 |
| 16:29.47 | ProzaicMuze | eww |
| 16:29.49 | ProzaicMuze | that's not edge |
| 16:29.55 | ProzaicMuze | or eletronica-esque |
| 16:29.57 | ProzaicMuze | you phail |
| 16:29.58 | Tordy | gross |
| 16:29.59 | DarkRevenant | they will at blizzcon |
| 16:30.02 | DarkRevenant | that's the announcement |
| 16:30.10 | Tordy | who!? |
| 16:30.10 | slightlyrandom | It's old school awesome, though |
| 16:30.13 | DarkRevenant | i couldn't afford fucking ticket |
| 16:30.18 | ProzaicMuze | I'm editing a happy wedding session |
| 16:30.23 | DarkRevenant | curse my lack of job and college tuition and room/board costs |
| 16:30.24 | ProzaicMuze | I need edgy, funk or grunge |
| 16:30.28 | slightlyrandom | Thick as Brick fits, then |
| 16:30.28 | Tordy | i wouldn't go even if i could afford it |
| 16:30.31 | Tordy | too far away |
| 16:30.35 | Tordy | and im not that big of a blizz fan |
| 16:30.38 | ProzaicMuze | It sounds too happy |
| 16:30.41 | ProzaicMuze | Jethro Tull FTL |
| 16:30.44 | Tordy | even though i've been playing blizz games since 1991 |
| 16:30.46 | DarkRevenant | seriously, i could have taken a several-day hike to blizzcon if i really wanted |
| 16:30.54 | Tordy | not necessarily blizz but interplay |
| 16:30.58 | Tordy | before they were called blizz |
| 16:31.04 | Tordy | wait not interplay |
| 16:31.05 | Tordy | w/e |
| 16:31.06 | Tordy | youg et the idea |
| 16:31.09 | Tordy | wassup bros |
| 16:31.24 | Arth-zz | lost vikings |
| 16:31.28 | slightlyrandom | Silicon & Synapse ? |
| 16:31.28 | Arth-zz | rock 'n roll racing etc |
| 16:31.37 | Arth-zz | ay |
| 16:31.43 | Tordy | yessss |
| 16:31.45 | Tordy | that's what im talkin about |
| 16:31.46 | Arth-zz | now we have pre-blizzard era |
| 16:31.47 | ProzaicMuze | you guys are useless |
| 16:31.51 | ProzaicMuze | you can't even give me good music ideas |
| 16:31.53 | Tordy | rock & roll racing was the highlight of my childhood |
| 16:31.54 | Arth-zz | and pre-activisionfaggotrymerge era |
| 16:31.55 | ProzaicMuze | /wrist |
| 16:31.56 | slightlyrandom | I just did |
| 16:32.04 | Arth-zz | ProzaicMuze for what? |
| 16:32.05 | Tordy | hi slightlyrandom |
| 16:32.06 | Tordy | hi!!!! |
| 16:32.08 | Tordy | HI!!~~~!! |
| 16:32.11 | ProzaicMuze | nope, it's too late |
| 16:32.12 | ProzaicMuze | you all phail |
| 16:32.14 | Arth-zz | im here a quickie, what music do you want and for what |
| 16:32.18 | ProzaicMuze | I'll just loop Bourne for the 5th time |
| 16:32.23 | Arth-zz | bourne? |
| 16:32.23 | slightlyrandom | Go slash your wrists to some NIN, then |
| 16:32.24 | Arth-zz | crap |
| 16:32.25 | Tordy | he's wants death metal |
| 16:32.26 | slightlyrandom | Or Tool |
| 16:32.30 | Arth-zz | what kind of death |
| 16:32.33 | Arth-zz | :p |
| 16:32.36 | Tordy | grindcore ~ caps |
| 16:32.37 | ProzaicMuze | No i dont' Xp |
| 16:32.43 | ProzaicMuze | I want edgy electronica |
| 16:32.44 | Tordy | lots of throat singing |
| 16:32.47 | Arth-zz | for movie-esque music |
| 16:32.47 | Tordy | the best part |
| 16:32.49 | Arth-zz | give globus a try |
| 16:32.54 | Tordy | what level are you guys |
| 16:32.55 | ProzaicMuze | or anything in a similar genre |
| 16:32.57 | ProzaicMuze | it must not sound happy |
| 16:32.59 | DarkRevenant | lol |
| 16:33.00 | ProzaicMuze | and screaming is NOT a plus |
| 16:33.03 | Arth-zz | electronica? |
| 16:33.05 | DarkRevenant | sorc defense is on NA |
| 16:33.06 | Arth-zz | ProzaicMuze |
| 16:33.07 | DarkRevenant | search sorcerer |
| 16:33.10 | DarkRevenant | in create |
| 16:33.11 | Arth-zz | machinae supremacy, sidmetal |
| 16:33.11 | Arth-zz | :p |
| 16:33.13 | DarkRevenant | and you can get it |
| 16:33.16 | Tordy | i dont wanna create :/ |
| 16:33.16 | Arth-zz | Player One |
| 16:33.18 | Arth-zz | :D |
| 16:33.19 | ProzaicMuze | Daft Punk / Bourne Scores |
| 16:33.20 | DarkRevenant | you can play it solo, i suggest doing that the first time |
| 16:33.23 | ProzaicMuze | that's what I've been listening to |
| 16:33.27 | DarkRevenant | it's a solo style game though 8 people can play at once |
| 16:33.34 | Tordy | takes some time for beginners to get used to right? |
| 16:33.49 | ProzaicMuze | hrm |
| 16:33.51 | ProzaicMuze | this might do the trick |
| 16:33.54 | Tordy | what |
| 16:33.59 | ProzaicMuze | must wait to see if a ghey person starts singing |
| 16:34.45 | slightlyrandom | ProzaicMuze: http://www.youtube.com/user/lftkryo#p/u/5/gAuPIgD-TM0 |
| 16:34.49 | Tordy | YO ProzaicMuze |
| 16:34.52 | Tordy | i found what you're lookng for |
| 16:34.53 | Tordy | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYOYEPCb7RY#t=23s |
| 16:35.17 | ProzaicMuze | w |
| 16:35.17 | ProzaicMuze | t |
| 16:35.19 | ProzaicMuze | f |
| 16:35.24 | Tordy | pretty good eh? |
| 16:35.26 | ProzaicMuze | slightly, I should slap you |
| 16:35.41 | ProzaicMuze | Tordy |
| 16:35.41 | slightlyrandom | I'm giving you all my love and you just bitch and moan |
| 16:35.43 | ProzaicMuze | ur clearly ghey |
| 16:35.46 | Tordy | :( |
| 16:35.46 | DarkRevenant | i need |
| 16:35.48 | Tordy | no homo |
| 16:35.48 | ProzaicMuze | rofl |
| 16:35.49 | ProzaicMuze | love? |
| 16:35.50 | DarkRevenant | artisans |
| 16:35.51 | DarkRevenant | for my project |
| 16:35.59 | ProzaicMuze | This is the worst 8bit video game music I have ever heard |
| 16:36.01 | DarkRevenant | people capable of texture and icon work |
| 16:36.09 | slightlyrandom | Artisan: n. |
| 16:36.10 | slightlyrandom | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:36.11 | DarkRevenant | perhaps interface art |
| 16:36.16 | ProzaicMuze | It's like you hate me or something, slightly |
| 16:36.18 | Tordy | would you rather be a dancer or an artist |
| 16:36.19 | ProzaicMuze | I feel sad |
| 16:36.49 | DarkRevenant | keep in mind, my project will eventually be a premium map |
| 16:36.58 | Tordy | what's a premium map |
| 16:37.09 | Tordy | is blizz even going to implement it |
| 16:37.12 | DarkRevenant | every asset will be custom; little to no sc2 models used |
| 16:37.16 | DarkRevenant | map marketplace |
| 16:37.18 | DarkRevenant | lol |
| 16:37.22 | DarkRevenant | if it's not implemented, well, whatever |
| 16:37.26 | Tordy | didnt they drop it |
| 16:37.27 | DarkRevenant | i still need artists |
| 16:37.31 | DarkRevenant | no |
| 16:37.48 | DarkRevenant | it's supposed to be implemented after 6 months from release |
| 16:37.53 | DarkRevenant | probably more like 1 year, but whatever |
| 16:37.58 | Tordy | more like |
| 16:38.05 | Tordy | several years |
| 16:38.06 | Tordy | >_> |
| 16:38.12 | DarkRevenant | no, several years is valve time |
| 16:38.19 | DarkRevenant | blizz time is 2x the original release date |
| 16:38.19 | Tordy | no valve time would be never |
| 16:38.23 | DarkRevenant | valve is 4x |
| 16:38.32 | DarkRevenant | but valve keeps the date internal |
| 16:38.40 | DarkRevenant | so the common man never sees it |
| 16:38.45 | Arth-zz | Where is episode 3 |
| 16:38.45 | Tordy | doesnt blizz do that too |
| 16:38.47 | Arth-zz | :< |
| 16:38.49 | Tordy | they say "when it's done" |
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| 16:38.54 | *** mode/#sc2mapster [+o Sixen] by ChanServ |
| 16:38.54 | Tordy | sometimes |
| 16:39.00 | DarkRevenant | episode 3 is |
| 16:39.01 | Tordy | lol ep 3 |
| 16:39.04 | Tordy | more like |
| 16:39.06 | Tordy | more tf2 hats |
| 16:39.14 | ProzaicMuze | Sixen |
| 16:39.16 | ProzaicMuze | you're my last hope |
| 16:39.18 | DarkRevenant | ep 3 will probably |
| 16:39.21 | Tordy | gabe is a genius |
| 16:39.23 | DarkRevenant | be HL3 itself |
| 16:39.28 | ProzaicMuze | With Daft Punk and Bourne Trilogy Music as a ref |
| 16:39.32 | DarkRevenant | wouldn't be surprised if they just |
| 16:39.34 | ProzaicMuze | I need good edgy music to listen to |
| 16:39.35 | DarkRevenant | canned ep3 |
| 16:39.40 | DarkRevenant | and started on a third game |
| 16:39.43 | DarkRevenant | just to end it forever |
| 16:40.11 | Tordy | any chance of them doing a heavily modified source engine |
| 16:40.21 | Tordy | like source engine heavily modifeid of goldsrc |
| 16:40.24 | Tordy | :] |
| 16:40.32 | Tordy | maybe not |
| 16:40.39 | Tordy | valve's been pretty lazy these days |
| 16:40.40 | Tordy | but who knows |
| 16:40.50 | Tordy | is dota 2 gonna be on the source engine? |
| 16:40.51 | Tordy | i like |
| 16:40.52 | Tordy | if so |
| 16:40.57 | Tordy | but idont play dota 2 |
| 16:40.58 | Tordy | so wassup |
| 16:40.59 | Tordy | where you |
| 16:41.03 | Tordy | at |
| 16:41.32 | slightlyrandom | stays hidden |
| 16:42.44 | Sixen | What's up PM |
| 16:42.47 | LordAbyss | hmm vjeux quits and sixen logs on |
| 16:42.49 | Sixen | Oh, easy. |
| 16:42.54 | Tordy | they're the same person! |
| 16:43.02 | Sixen | PM, Arab Money Remix. |
| 16:43.10 | Sixen | i'm vjeux. |
| 16:43.11 | ProzaicMuze | . . . |
| 16:43.13 | Sixen | he's my bot |
| 16:43.16 | LordAbyss | lol |
| 16:43.19 | ProzaicMuze | but tha's just one song Xp |
| 16:43.21 | Tordy | shoould've known |
| 16:43.26 | Sixen | PM, put it on repeat. |
| 16:43.28 | Sixen | fixt. |
| 16:43.31 | ProzaicMuze | lmao |
| 16:45.38 | DarkRevenant | so Sixeux |
| 16:45.55 | DarkRevenant | what purpose does it serve |
| 16:45.55 | ProzaicMuze | this song is going to rape my mind |
| 16:45.57 | ProzaicMuze | Sixen |
| 16:46.00 | ProzaicMuze | I want to hate you |
| 16:46.00 | DarkRevenant | to have two names |
| 16:46.02 | ProzaicMuze | but I can't |
| 16:46.04 | DarkRevenant | if both have identical power |
| 16:46.07 | ProzaicMuze | the music is taking over my mind! |
| 16:46.17 | Sixen | <3 |
| 16:46.21 | Tordy | is it an opera? |
| 16:46.29 | DarkRevenant | lol my reviews are longer than my college papers |
| 16:46.29 | ProzaicMuze | No, he's not ghey like you are |
| 16:46.37 | Tordy | >:[ |
| 16:46.39 | DarkRevenant | that last one was 2300 words |
| 16:46.51 | Tordy | why are your reviews so long |
| 16:46.59 | DarkRevenant | i had a lot to say? |
| 16:47.04 | Tordy | :] |
| 16:47.10 | DarkRevenant | "herp derp it's a good map 10/10" doesn't cut it |
| 16:47.25 | Tordy | that won't do |
| 16:47.33 | Tordy | just a 10/10 will |
| 16:47.46 | Tordy | :]:]:]:]:]:] |
| 16:47.47 | DarkRevenant | my reviews are of the length and quality such that |
| 16:47.56 | DarkRevenant | very few will make better/longer ones |
| 16:48.04 | DarkRevenant | kind of the example of the forum, basically |
| 16:48.19 | Tordy | i dont know |
| 16:48.25 | Tordy | Jum-Jum is an expert writer |
| 16:48.36 | ProzaicMuze | I can only imagine that those living in the MIddle East that happen to stumble upon this video epic facepalm |
| 16:48.58 | DarkRevenant | who's jum-jum |
| 16:49.00 | Tordy | i would rather buy $200 jeans than $200 video cards |
| 16:49.00 | DarkRevenant | havent seen them |
| 16:49.09 | DarkRevenant | Wat |
| 16:49.16 | DarkRevenant | $200 jeans. |
| 16:49.22 | DarkRevenant | are you gay, or are you a woman? |
| 16:49.23 | DarkRevenant | or both? |
| 16:49.31 | Tordy | i'm a man |
| 16:49.34 | DarkRevenant | no self-respecting straight guy would do that |
| 16:49.39 | DarkRevenant | but it's acceptable for gays |
| 16:50.02 | DarkRevenant | well |
| 16:50.08 | DarkRevenant | if you had a modern $400 video card |
| 16:50.13 | DarkRevenant | you wouldn't buy the $200 one |
| 16:50.22 | DarkRevenant | so that's the only other way to qualify your position |
| 16:50.45 | *** join/#sc2mapster vjeux (52e9ed5b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.233.237.91) |
| 16:50.45 | *** mode/#sc2mapster [+o vjeux] by ChanServ |
| 16:50.58 | ProzaicMuze | vjeux |
| 16:51.04 | ProzaicMuze | maybe you have some sensible music tastes |
| 16:51.05 | vjeux | hey ProzaicMuze |
| 16:51.12 | ProzaicMuze | If I said Daft Punk |
| 16:51.18 | vjeux | I buy |
| 16:51.21 | ProzaicMuze | and Bourne Trilogy |
| 16:51.26 | ProzaicMuze | what other music would you refer? |
| 16:51.28 | Tordy | vjeux enters, sixen disappears |
| 16:51.31 | Tordy | coincidence? |
| 16:51.33 | ProzaicMuze | Arab Money, by Sixen, was already looped |
| 16:51.35 | Tordy | I think not! |
| 16:52.12 | vjeux | is there daft punk in jason bourne ?! |
| 16:52.17 | ProzaicMuze | lol nah |
| 16:52.24 | ProzaicMuze | Those are the last few things I've listened to |
| 16:52.27 | Tordy | daft punk and jason bourne? |
| 16:52.29 | ProzaicMuze | and I need something different |
| 16:52.37 | Tordy | no idea how that's related at all |
| 16:52.40 | vjeux | muse! |
| 16:52.46 | ProzaicMuze | @.@ |
| 16:52.46 | Arth-zz | ProzaicMuze Garth Brooks perhaps |
| 16:52.51 | ProzaicMuze | Muze!? |
| 16:52.52 | ProzaicMuze | GENIUS |
| 16:52.54 | ProzaicMuze | Of course! |
| 16:52.57 | vjeux | muze yeah |
| 16:53.08 | ProzaicMuze | I shall listen to music named after me |
| 16:53.11 | ProzaicMuze | vjeux, you are my hero |
| 16:53.12 | Arth-zz | stupid rench music |
| 16:53.14 | Arth-zz | :< |
| 16:53.14 | vjeux | lol :p |
| 16:53.24 | Arth-zz | french |
| 16:53.25 | Arth-zz | * |
| 16:53.28 | vjeux | i'm glad i've been able to help you :p |
| 16:53.39 | ProzaicMuze | lol |
| 16:53.40 | ProzaicMuze | me too |
| 16:53.47 | vjeux | now i have to get back working on the new mmo-champion skin |
| 16:53.47 | vjeux | http://www.mmo-champion.com/?styleid=8 |
| 16:53.49 | Tordy | i didnt know Muze was popular in france |
| 16:53.58 | vjeux | ( =2 for the old one) |
| 16:54.05 | Tordy | or are you |
| 16:54.09 | Tordy | SIXEN!? |
| 16:54.26 | Sixen | wut |
| 16:54.37 | *** join/#sc2mapster MindWorX` (MindWorX@188.176.197.82) |
| 16:54.42 | Sixen | mindworx`! |
| 16:54.43 | vjeux | Tordy: http://www.tijuana.fr/concert-muse-resistance-tour-9251.htm |
| 16:54.45 | Tordy | that's what i thought |
| 16:54.48 | vjeux | they do like 10 dates in france |
| 16:54.49 | Sixen | I had to tell you something but I don't remember |
| 16:54.50 | MindWorX` | Sixen! |
| 16:54.53 | Sixen | :( |
| 16:55.06 | MindWorX` | How does it feel? |
| 16:55.09 | MindWorX` | It's not nice is it? |
| 16:55.28 | MindWorX` | Better teach you to be around next time i want to tell you something |
| 16:58.36 | nicoli_s | muse is meh |
| 16:58.42 | nicoli_s | they wish they were radiohead, but they arent |
| 16:58.46 | ProzaicMuze | oh no you didn't |
| 16:59.01 | ProzaicMuze | Wait, radiohead? |
| 16:59.08 | nicoli_s | yes radiohead |
| 16:59.11 | ProzaicMuze | How do you get that comparison? rofl |
| 16:59.19 | Tordy | LMAO radiohead |
| 16:59.24 | Tordy | hi |
| 16:59.36 | Arthas- | sometimes I think that tordy is high 24/7 |
| 16:59.44 | Tordy | im never high |
| 16:59.46 | Tordy | hi Arthas- |
| 16:59.47 | Arthas- | due to his random "hi" that pops out from time to time |
| 16:59.49 | Arthas- | see! |
| 16:59.51 | ProzaicMuze | Radiohead is awesome too, but they're not similar |
| 17:00.01 | Arthas- | then you can talk to him for 15 mins, then he greets you with a hi again :p |
| 17:00.02 | ProzaicMuze | Muse is "overthrow the government" music |
| 17:00.02 | nicoli_s | ProzaicMuze:because they both do a mixture of arean-ish rock, electronica, and alternative music |
| 17:00.06 | nicoli_s | arena* |
| 17:00.08 | ProzaicMuze | Radiohead is "I'm stoned outta my mind" music |
| 17:00.11 | nicoli_s | no way |
| 17:00.17 | nicoli_s | have you listened to radiohead before? |
| 17:00.21 | ProzaicMuze | Yes |
| 17:00.27 | bsmedberg | Question-repeat: |
| 17:00.29 | bsmedberg | Help! The textures on my cliff walls all just disappeared, and now my cliffs are all textured with grass/concrete (ground textures). |
| 17:00.31 | bsmedberg | Does anyone know what I did, or how I can get my cliff wall textures back? |
| 17:00.53 | Tordy | yea |
| 17:00.57 | ProzaicMuze | I enjoy radiohead as well, but I don't see how Muse is similar to them |
| 17:01.50 | Tordy | damnit i always miss microsoft sales |
| 17:01.58 | Tordy | 45% off select laptops |
| 17:01.59 | Tordy | daaaamn it |
| 17:02.06 | HeyRevolver | hi tordy |
| 17:02.11 | HeyRevolver | where u been? |
| 17:02.17 | ProzaicMuze | LIke, gimme an example of a song where radiohead has aggressive eletronica |
| 17:02.22 | Tordy | i hate how microsoft store doesn't do any sales for several months and then comes out with a huge awesome coupon |
| 17:02.24 | HeyRevolver | paranoid android |
| 17:02.29 | ProzaicMuze | Perhaps I'm just sheltered and haven't heard all there is to Radiohead |
| 17:02.56 | HeyRevolver | there are a few radiohead songs that sound like Muse, but they arent many Muse songs that sound like Radiohead.. if that makes any sense |
| 17:03.11 | ProzaicMuze | The singers have similar voices, I will say that |
| 17:03.15 | HeyRevolver | yeah |
| 17:03.16 | ProzaicMuze | but that's more because they have a similar vocal range |
| 17:03.25 | Tordy | a LAPTOp w/ hd5850 and 6GB of RAM for $800 |
| 17:03.27 | Tordy | that's pretty insane |
| 17:03.29 | Tordy | because it's a laptop |
| 17:03.34 | HeyRevolver | wtf tordy |
| 17:03.37 | HeyRevolver | why didn tyou tell me yesterday |
| 17:03.45 | ProzaicMuze | Like radiohead has always been the epitome of instrumental music with great harmonies |
| 17:03.46 | Tordy | i would if i had found it earlier :/ |
| 17:03.55 | HeyRevolver | pretty much |
| 17:03.56 | Tordy | now the coupon is used up |
| 17:03.57 | Tordy | no more |
| 17:04.01 | Tordy | 45% off |
| 17:04.02 | Tordy | freakin |
| 17:04.04 | Tordy | insane |
| 17:04.13 | ProzaicMuze | btw, nicoli, I must thank you for reminding me of Radiohead |
| 17:04.20 | ProzaicMuze | I now have 2 things to listen to :D |
| 17:04.28 | nicoli_s | radiohead rocks |
| 17:04.29 | ProzaicMuze | I don't hate you anymore >;P |
| 17:04.32 | nicoli_s | one of my favorite bands |
| 17:04.39 | nicoli_s | i can recommand alot of good music |
| 17:04.44 | HeyRevolver | if you don't like radiohead... fuck you. |
| 17:04.44 | nicoli_s | though i like alot of out there indie stuff |
| 17:05.28 | ProzaicMuze | That's fine |
| 17:05.31 | ProzaicMuze | I have a wide range of musical taste |
| 17:05.38 | ProzaicMuze | as long as it isn't hardcore country or rap |
| 17:05.52 | ProzaicMuze | the c-rap section should be burnt at the stake |
| 17:05.53 | Tordy | country is awesome |
| 17:06.00 | ProzaicMuze | some is |
| 17:06.06 | HeyRevolver | I got my boots and my truck and my whiskey andmy mommaaaa. and my woman rides on my truck.,. with my whiskey and my boooooze |
| 17:06.13 | ProzaicMuze | but that heavy country just makes me feel dumber and dumber by listening to it |
| 17:07.37 | Arthas- | ProzaicMuze, Stevie Ray Vaughan |
| 17:07.38 | Arthas- | GO |
| 17:08.10 | ProzaicMuze | . . . |
| 17:08.11 | Arthas- | HeyRevolver Garth Brooks The Thunder rolls! |
| 17:08.14 | ProzaicMuze | NoU! |
| 17:08.24 | HeyRevolver | And the thunder rooollllls |
| 17:08.27 | Arthas- | :D |
| 17:08.27 | HeyRevolver | and the LIFGHTNING STRIKES |
| 17:08.36 | Arthas- | that song is fucking awesome |
| 17:08.40 | HeyRevolver | lol |
| 17:08.42 | HeyRevolver | nah its gay as hell |
| 17:08.46 | Arthas- | hell no |
| 17:08.47 | Arthas- | :D |
| 17:08.53 | Arthas- | i lub it |
| 17:08.55 | HeyRevolver | dude |
| 17:08.56 | HeyRevolver | that song |
| 17:09.04 | HeyRevolver | is literaly about buttfucking other dudes |
| 17:09.10 | Tordy | like a bat outta hell? |
| 17:09.11 | HeyRevolver | and cumming in their buttholes |
| 17:09.15 | Arthas- | your interpretation sucks |
| 17:09.23 | HeyRevolver | itsnot mine |
| 17:09.24 | Arthas- | Tordy dont talk bad about meatloafies songs |
| 17:09.26 | HeyRevolver | its Garth's |
| 17:09.29 | HeyRevolver | its on his DVD |
| 17:09.31 | Arthas- | Well Garth is wrong |
| 17:09.36 | Arthas- | and unable to interpret his own texts |
| 17:09.37 | Arthas- | :D |
| 17:09.39 | HeyRevolver | lol |
| 17:10.04 | HeyRevolver | actually I think its just about lightning and thunder |
| 17:10.19 | HeyRevolver | and rivers |
| 17:11.05 | Tordy | who's a good musician here? |
| 17:11.13 | HeyRevolver | i play guitar and banjo |
| 17:11.15 | HeyRevolver | for real |
| 17:11.22 | Tordy | i play the harpsicod |
| 17:11.26 | Tordy | harpsicord |
| 17:11.53 | nicoli_s | for good music, check out wolf parade, sunset rubdown, bloc party, animal collective, arcade fire |
| 17:12.01 | HeyRevolver | MGMT |
| 17:12.05 | nicoli_s | yes |
| 17:12.11 | nicoli_s | saw them at bonnaroo, they kicked ass |
| 17:12.14 | HeyRevolver | TV on the Radio |
| 17:12.17 | nicoli_s | also great |
| 17:12.22 | nicoli_s | saw the at bonnaroo too :P |
| 17:12.27 | HeyRevolver | hehe |
| 17:12.33 | HeyRevolver | White Stripes, Raconteurs |
| 17:12.42 | nicoli_s | both great, and the dead weather |
| 17:12.46 | HeyRevolver | yeah fo sho |
| 17:12.49 | nicoli_s | also bonnaroo |
| 17:13.01 | nicoli_s | saw each of those one year after another |
| 17:13.06 | HeyRevolver | yeah |
| 17:13.06 | ProzaicMuze | I don't like White STripes |
| 17:13.09 | ProzaicMuze | I trided it |
| 17:13.11 | ProzaicMuze | tried* |
| 17:13.17 | HeyRevolver | then you got bad taste son |
| 17:13.18 | ProzaicMuze | but coult never get past his voice |
| 17:13.20 | ProzaicMuze | Bloc Party is great |
| 17:13.26 | ProzaicMuze | lol |
| 17:13.28 | HeyRevolver | lol |
| 17:13.34 | ProzaicMuze | I've got great taste |
| 17:13.43 | ProzaicMuze | i just can't stand people who always sound off-key |
| 17:13.51 | HeyRevolver | you said you like all music besides country and rap but dont like white stripes i just dont understand |
| 17:13.59 | ProzaicMuze | i was raised a classical music, it sticks with yeh and everythign that pushes pitch drives me crazy Xp |
| 17:14.18 | ProzaicMuze | White Stripes is one of just a few |
| 17:14.22 | ProzaicMuze | like I'll listen to it |
| 17:14.25 | ProzaicMuze | but I'd never pick it over something else |
| 17:14.26 | HeyRevolver | yeah his voice annoys a lot of people, but his guitar solos with the octave pedals are just so awesome and sound like nothing else |
| 17:14.30 | HeyRevolver | go listen to Ball & Biscuit |
| 17:14.34 | HeyRevolver | and tell me it isnt fucking amazing |
| 17:14.41 | ProzaicMuze | He's got talent, yeah, but I cant' get past that voice! |
| 17:14.51 | ProzaicMuze | it's like: |
| 17:15.03 | ProzaicMuze | I blow your mind with my skills! ThenI remind you I'm human with my singing |
| 17:15.24 | HeyRevolver | lol |
| 17:15.38 | HeyRevolver | well old classic blues music most singers blow |
| 17:15.43 | HeyRevolver | so he is just keeping with the tradition |
| 17:15.53 | ProzaicMuze | If he got someone else to sing for him |
| 17:15.54 | ProzaicMuze | omg |
| 17:15.59 | ProzaicMuze | he'd be amazing and I'd listen |
| 17:16.19 | ProzaicMuze | But noooo. . . everyone HAS to sing |
| 17:16.27 | ProzaicMuze | because they're tone deaf and enjoy raping my poor widdle ears |
| 17:16.36 | HeyRevolver | you dont get famous enough by just playing guitar |
| 17:16.48 | ProzaicMuze | Jaco Pastorius? (granted, bass) |
| 17:16.56 | HeyRevolver | never heard of him |
| 17:16.59 | ProzaicMuze | @.@ |
| 17:17.04 | ProzaicMuze | nicoli, please tell me you've heard of him |
| 17:17.11 | ProzaicMuze | or I'm going to have to lay down some musical law here |
| 17:17.15 | HeyRevolver | looool |
| 17:17.18 | HeyRevolver | he is a bassist bro |
| 17:17.20 | HeyRevolver | get ove ryourself |
| 17:17.50 | ProzaicMuze | lol |
| 17:17.52 | HeyRevolver | the only bassist I know of are Roger Waters and Victor Wooten |
| 17:18.00 | ProzaicMuze | Jaco Pastorius > Victor Wooten |
| 17:18.11 | HeyRevolver | yeah I should definitely know who he is |
| 17:18.11 | ProzaicMuze | and I think Victor Wooten is a god amongst men |
| 17:18.13 | HeyRevolver | >.< |
| 17:18.25 | ProzaicMuze | ok |
| 17:18.32 | ProzaicMuze | Weather Report. . . |
| 17:18.33 | ProzaicMuze | sound familiar? |
| 17:18.45 | HeyRevolver | rofl oh.. duh i know how thisguy is |
| 17:18.49 | HeyRevolver | at least I have seen him before |
| 17:19.01 | HeyRevolver | not live or anything |
| 17:19.59 | HeyRevolver | he is theguy who makes a bass not sound like a bass |
| 17:20.11 | ProzaicMuze | lol |
| 17:20.47 | HeyRevolver | glad I know him by name now =P |
| 17:21.22 | ProzaicMuze | I can tell you're not that into Jazz though if you didn't know him by name rofl |
| 17:21.29 | HeyRevolver | You are correct |
| 17:21.46 | HeyRevolver | I used to listen to a lot of medeski martin and wood though |
| 17:22.25 | HeyRevolver | what about les claypool |
| 17:22.33 | HeyRevolver | his musical stylings are beyond human |
| 17:22.48 | HeyRevolver | cant believe i didnt rememberhim when I listed bassist I knew LOL |
| 17:22.55 | ProzaicMuze | rofl |
| 17:23.10 | ProzaicMuze | I love his music vids |
| 17:23.37 | HeyRevolver | yeah |
| 17:23.40 | HeyRevolver | have you seen the mockumentary |
| 17:23.47 | HeyRevolver | Electric Apricot: The road to festeroo |
| 17:24.12 | HeyRevolver | it is the jam band mockumentary, and he directed it I think, he plays the drummer in the band |
| 17:24.18 | HeyRevolver | pretty funny |
| 17:25.03 | HeyRevolver | oh it is actually Quest for Festeroo, oooooooops |
| 17:26.08 | ProzaicMuze | I have not :*( |
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| 17:27.13 | HeyRevolver | http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6ww73_electric-apricot-burning-man-live_music |
| 17:27.19 | HeyRevolver | check that out |
| 17:27.37 | HeyRevolver | les claypool's voice is so unmistakable lol |
| 17:29.50 | ProzaicMuze | ffs |
| 17:29.53 | ProzaicMuze | die spiders die! |
| 17:29.55 | ProzaicMuze | I don't get it |
| 17:30.04 | ProzaicMuze | this summer/winter I've seen 1-2 spiders on my desk a day |
| 17:30.15 | ProzaicMuze | it's like there is some portal in this room that spiders from all dimensions travel through |
| 17:30.35 | ProzaicMuze | That or it's a spider truck stop and them spiders are having a lot more fun than they should Xp |
| 17:31.31 | HeyRevolver | thats strange you say that |
| 17:31.47 | HeyRevolver | there has been an influx in spiders in my apt recently |
| 17:32.00 | HeyRevolver | i get bit while I am asleep and wake up with huge fucking swollen rashes |
| 17:32.03 | HeyRevolver | really really sucks |
| 17:32.15 | ProzaicMuze | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:32.42 | ProzaicMuze | I mean, don't spiders realize we are the dominant species here? |
| 17:32.45 | Araxnid | btw, i advise to kill them all |
| 17:32.46 | ProzaicMuze | gtfo mah domain! |
| 17:33.02 | Araxnid | much of them have nice poison that can kill you xD |
| 17:33.03 | HeyRevolver | lol sTOOPIT SPIDAS |
| 17:33.26 | HeyRevolver | that is funny that of ALL PEOPLE, araxnid speaks up when we talk about spiders, AND he says to kill them |
| 17:33.38 | ProzaicMuze | I'm gonna get one of them frequency emitters and lots of lemon pledge |
| 17:33.39 | ProzaicMuze | It shall be war |
| 17:33.47 | HeyRevolver | araxnis |
| 17:33.54 | Araxnid | hehe |
| 17:33.54 | HeyRevolver | isnt your name supposed to be like.. arachnid |
| 17:33.55 | HeyRevolver | with an x? |
| 17:34.10 | Araxnid | i was 5 yeards old when type this nickname |
| 17:34.14 | Araxnid | dotn wanna to rewrite it. |
| 17:34.15 | HeyRevolver | hahahah |
| 17:34.25 | Araxnid | it was dungeons siege 1 |
| 17:34.25 | HeyRevolver | Its a cool name |
| 17:34.30 | Araxnid | dungeon* |
| 17:34.33 | Araxnid | a level with spiders |
| 17:34.37 | Araxnid | it impress me much. |
| 17:34.38 | Araxnid | xD |
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| 17:34.55 | HeyRevolver | gotcha |
| 17:35.07 | Araxnid | but, i rly advice you to kill all spiders. |
| 17:35.15 | HeyRevolver | hahaha |
| 17:35.23 | Araxnid | expect me. |
| 17:35.23 | ProzaicMuze | 5 years old? |
| 17:35.24 | Araxnid | xD |
| 17:35.32 | Araxnid | 5 years young |
| 17:35.35 | Araxnid | xDD |
| 17:35.51 | ProzaicMuze | When I was 5, I was nom-nomin' toy blocks |
| 17:36.02 | HeyRevolver | I was stepping on legos |
| 17:36.05 | HeyRevolver | causing life long scars |
| 17:36.07 | Araxnid | lego me too |
| 17:36.18 | Araxnid | and computer =\ not so much like now, but..xD |
| 17:36.50 | HeyRevolver | i would build lego forts for my GI-joes and steal my sisters little mermaid toys and make the GI-Joes sex em up |
| 17:36.54 | HeyRevolver | i was a perverted little fuck |
| 17:37.38 | Araxnid | oh |
| 17:38.05 | Araxnid | i was playing in moon colonization. hm. something wrong with me looks like xD |
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| 17:38.33 | HeyRevolver | nah man you were just ahead ofyour time |
| 17:38.44 | Araxnid | i mean in lego |
| 17:38.50 | Araxnid | there was nice space themes. |
| 17:39.01 | HeyRevolver | did anyone else have the lego monorail with a motorized train? That shit was the DOPENESS |
| 17:39.25 | Araxnid | lego monorail? lol, square wheels? |
| 17:39.29 | HeyRevolver | nah |
| 17:39.32 | HeyRevolver | lemme see if I can find it |
| 17:39.49 | Araxnid | i was dreaming about "911 chopper" |
| 17:39.59 | HeyRevolver | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zu3ztLt00aE |
| 17:40.02 | HeyRevolver | that is the lego monorail |
| 17:40.12 | HeyRevolver | mine were never that badass, but it shows you the monorail |
| 17:40.40 | HeyRevolver | and that version is way updated, my train didnt look so futuristic |
| 17:40.51 | Araxnid | btw, lego is still popular? |
| 17:41.05 | Araxnid | or all children playing in computers? =\ |
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| 17:41.23 | HeyRevolver | I hope lego is always popular |
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| 17:41.26 | HeyRevolver | but as far as iknow |
| 17:41.30 | HeyRevolver | no one buys their kids legos anymore |
| 17:41.35 | HeyRevolver | unless your kid goes to montesory |
| 17:41.50 | HeyRevolver | Montessori* |
| 17:42.51 | HeyRevolver | So there is a huge terrible bug with the PC version of Fallout: New Vegas |
| 17:43.12 | HeyRevolver | if you look at NPC's, your framerate drops drastically, abnd if there are more than one NPC on your screen, it slows to 5 fps |
| 17:43.17 | HeyRevolver | and this is with top of the line machines |
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| 17:43.27 | Araxnid | the video is so cool |
| 17:43.29 | HeyRevolver | pretty sad for bethesda and obsidian |
| 17:43.32 | Araxnid | i never had somethign like this |
| 17:43.34 | HeyRevolver | haha glad u like it ;) |
| 17:43.37 | Araxnid | =( |
| 17:43.52 | Araxnid | i had only silly soviet locomotiv that can smash voltage to you |
| 17:43.59 | HeyRevolver | hahahaha |
| 17:44.09 | HeyRevolver | you sound like my fiend Boris |
| 17:44.17 | Arthas- | <HeyRevolver> no one buys their kids legos anymore |
| 17:44.19 | Arthas- | fuck that |
| 17:44.29 | Arthas- | my kid (yeah, like id ever let that happen) will get lots of legos |
| 17:44.36 | HeyRevolver | mine will too |
| 17:44.55 | HeyRevolver | but basedon all my cousins and stuff |
| 17:45.00 | Arthas- | well |
| 17:45.05 | Arthas- | your cousins parents are retarded |
| 17:45.10 | Arthas- | a kid shouldnt be raised without legos |
| 17:45.12 | HeyRevolver | they would rather play a browser basd video game than build with legos |
| 17:45.13 | Araxnid | lego is very cool game for imaginary and etc etc |
| 17:45.19 | Araxnid | =(( |
| 17:45.29 | Araxnid | i dont think its good idea to show games for childrens |
| 17:45.30 | Arthas- | yeah HeyRevolver that works to |
| 17:45.33 | Arthas- | if the game is a simdate |
| 17:45.41 | HeyRevolver | my cousins arent retarded btw |
| 17:45.42 | Arthas- | those are like the only good games |
| 17:45.45 | Arthas- | no |
| 17:45.47 | Arthas- | their parents are |
| 17:45.47 | HeyRevolver | they are deifnitely smarter than you |
| 17:45.55 | HeyRevolver | yeah their parents are my cousins too ya dope |
| 17:46.03 | Arthas- | eh |
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| 17:46.08 | Arthas- | how the hell does that work |
| 17:46.17 | HeyRevolver | are you serious? |
| 17:46.21 | Arthas- | Im very serious |
| 17:46.25 | HeyRevolver | wow |
| 17:46.30 | HeyRevolver | go look up a heritage chart |
| 17:46.31 | Arthas- | the parents of my cousin is not my cousin |
| 17:46.34 | HeyRevolver | educate yourself |
| 17:46.35 | Arthas- | but my aunt / uncle |
| 17:46.42 | Araxnid | wtf are you speaking |
| 17:46.43 | Arthas- | + random part |
| 17:46.45 | HeyRevolver | and when they have kids? |
| 17:46.51 | HeyRevolver | MORE COUSINS |
| 17:46.51 | Arthas- | my cousins? |
| 17:46.52 | HeyRevolver | noob |
| 17:46.53 | Arthas- | no |
| 17:46.59 | Arthas- | tremänning |
| 17:47.01 | Arthas- | not cousin |
| 17:47.07 | HeyRevolver | uhhhhhh |
| 17:47.08 | Cronos | lol epic chat to come into |
| 17:47.11 | HeyRevolver | thats not a word here |
| 17:47.13 | Arthas- | but then we dont use grandma for both the father and mother side |
| 17:47.15 | Arthas- | we differ on those |
| 17:47.20 | Araxnid | THE CIRCLE OF VALOR WILL JUSTICE YOU! |
| 17:47.24 | Arthas- | so basically |
| 17:47.32 | Arthas- | over there you have tons of cousins? |
| 17:47.39 | Araxnid | STEP IN THE CIRCLE AND CHOOSE WEAPONS! |
| 17:47.39 | HeyRevolver | yep |
| 17:47.44 | HeyRevolver | tons and tons and tons of cousins |
| 17:47.45 | Arthas- | and when they get children the children are your cousins? |
| 17:47.51 | Arthas- | ya, thats fucked up |
| 17:47.56 | HeyRevolver | there is first cousin, second cousin, third cousin, ect ect ect |
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| 17:48.03 | Arthas- | and you still dont skip buying legos |
| 17:48.05 | HeyRevolver | makes it pretty damn easy imo |
| 17:48.06 | Arthas- | EVER |
| 17:48.18 | Arthas- | perhaps its time for you to spend some money on the, :) |
| 17:48.24 | Arthas- | id help ya chip in if you're poor |
| 17:48.34 | HeyRevolver | if I had any extra money to buy them legos I would |
| 17:48.45 | HeyRevolver | i spend all my extra money on video games |
| 17:49.00 | Arthas- | i do something similar :p |
| 17:49.10 | HeyRevolver | oh shit ya know what |
| 17:49.18 | HeyRevolver | my mom gave one of my cousins all my old legos |
| 17:49.21 | HeyRevolver | and his mom says he plays with them |
| 17:49.23 | HeyRevolver | i forgot about that |
| 17:49.45 | Arthas- | see! |
| 17:49.50 | HeyRevolver | but he peobably doesnt anymore that was like 3 years ago |
| 17:49.52 | Arthas- | legos is the pervect gift ever |
| 17:50.00 | Arthas- | I stopped with legos at the age of 15-17 :p |
| 17:50.09 | Araxnid | hm |
| 17:50.12 | Arthas- | hmm thats a lie |
| 17:50.17 | HeyRevolver | lol |
| 17:50.20 | Arthas- | i still play with it if i can get hold of it :D |
| 17:50.47 | Araxnid | xDD |
| 17:50.47 | HeyRevolver | HEy arthas, the new fallout has a hardcore mode |
| 17:50.47 | Arthas- | the new fallout sucks |
| 17:50.47 | Arthas- | :< |
| 17:50.47 | HeyRevolver | I like it a lot |
| 17:50.48 | Araxnid | i heard its too bugged in optimization |
| 17:50.55 | Arthas- | something about 5 fps |
| 17:51.01 | HeyRevolver | yeah did you read that? |
| 17:51.10 | HeyRevolver | besides that it is awesome |
| 17:51.16 | HeyRevolver | and the forums are OVERFLOWING with QQ |
| 17:51.19 | HeyRevolver | so it will get patched soon |
| 17:51.30 | Araxnid | yeah. |
| 17:51.45 | Araxnid | after some patches and localization i will sure dowloaded it and play |
| 17:51.46 | Araxnid | :) |
| 17:51.55 | Arthas- | <HeyRevolver> they are deifnitely smarter than you < HA |
| 17:51.57 | HeyRevolver | if you liked fallout 3 |
| 17:52.01 | HeyRevolver | you will love new vegas |
| 17:52.09 | HeyRevolver | arthas, Im not kidding |
| 17:52.22 | HeyRevolver | they are all rocket scientists |
| 17:52.25 | Araxnid | THE CIRCLE OF VALOR WILL JUSTICE YOU! |
| 17:52.30 | HeyRevolver | my family is a family of neuroscientific engineers |
| 17:52.34 | ProzaicMuze | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:52.43 | ProzaicMuze | If I attach Hardcore to the game's name |
| 17:52.45 | ProzaicMuze | you MUST like it |
| 17:52.48 | HeyRevolver | lol |
| 17:53.05 | HeyRevolver | its actually kind of lame |
| 17:53.13 | HeyRevolver | it just makes it so you have to eat, drink, and sleep |
| 17:53.18 | HeyRevolver | or else your meters go up and you get weaker |
| 17:53.26 | ProzaicMuze | you mean like Oblivion normally is |
| 17:53.30 | HeyRevolver | yep! |
| 17:53.32 | Zara | Guys I have a question about localization. If i create localization directories for other languages and then I modify/save the map again... will they be erased? |
| 17:53.54 | ProzaicMuze | no clue |
| 17:54.17 | Arthas- | ProzaicMuze not really |
| 17:54.28 | Araxnid | hm, ProzaicMuze, can you help with one behavior/ |
| 17:54.35 | Arthas- | hardcore mode doesnt really make the game good if its bad to start with :p |
| 17:54.36 | ProzaicMuze | depends on the behavior |
| 17:54.48 | Araxnid | its about damage response field. |
| 17:55.01 | ProzaicMuze | lies Arthas! |
| 17:55.06 | ProzaicMuze | Hardcore makes EVERYTHING better |
| 17:55.12 | ProzaicMuze | HARDCORE GAMERS LIKE HARDCORE STUFF! |
| 17:55.14 | Araxnid | is there any way to create behavior that will return % of damage to attacker? |
| 17:55.20 | ProzaicMuze | no |
| 17:55.26 | ProzaicMuze | I mentioned this earlier |
| 17:55.26 | Araxnid | ok thank you. |
| 17:55.28 | Araxnid | xD |
| 17:55.34 | ProzaicMuze | there is no variable damage outside of % current/max health |
| 17:55.41 | Araxnid | and did you created smh like this? |
| 17:55.47 | ProzaicMuze | You CAN do it with triggers |
| 17:55.59 | Araxnid | i dont wanna to employ triggers for ability stuff |
| 17:56.05 | ProzaicMuze | I tried to a while back and was sad you can't do it with the data editor |
| 17:56.12 | ProzaicMuze | so I threw it at blizzard in that Q&A thread |
| 17:56.12 | Araxnid | oh shit. |
| 17:56.18 | ProzaicMuze | they have yet to look at any of my questions |
| 17:56.20 | ProzaicMuze | they be skeered |
| 17:57.06 | Araxnid | skeered - i dont have any idead, how this tranlates |
| 17:57.12 | ProzaicMuze | scared |
| 17:57.12 | HeyRevolver | hahaha |
| 17:57.17 | HeyRevolver | YOU SCRURRED? |
| 17:57.17 | Araxnid | ah |
| 17:57.38 | ProzaicMuze | they even made 3 posts yesterday |
| 17:57.43 | ProzaicMuze | but none of them looked at my stuff |
| 17:57.48 | Araxnid | i think you knowing they editor, better than them |
| 17:57.58 | HeyRevolver | Blizzard is freakin out because people are leaving their games earlier than they used to |
| 17:58.11 | ProzaicMuze | THey should be |
| 17:58.13 | ProzaicMuze | because SC2 sucks balls |
| 17:58.17 | HeyRevolver | lol |
| 17:58.19 | ProzaicMuze | the ONLY thing keeping me here is the editor |
| 17:58.20 | Araxnid | they just should ban every map with jesus word |
| 17:58.25 | ProzaicMuze | the campaign completely ruined MP for me |
| 17:58.33 | ProzaicMuze | and the campaign ruined itself when it became about a love story |
| 17:58.36 | Araxnid | why? |
| 17:58.39 | ProzaicMuze | This is space wars! |
| 17:58.44 | ProzaicMuze | Not romeo and juliet. . . IN SPACE |
| 17:58.49 | HeyRevolver | aaaahahahahaha |
| 17:58.53 | HeyRevolver | but the mission variety |
| 17:58.55 | *** join/#sc2mapster Cronos (~mattb@96-42-3-156.dhcp.fdul.wi.charter.com) |
| 17:58.55 | HeyRevolver | was awesome |
| 17:58.58 | Araxnid | blizzard trying to create space opera |
| 17:59.02 | ProzaicMuze | except that the key to every mission |
| 17:59.03 | HeyRevolver | why would you ever play a blizzard game for story? |
| 17:59.04 | ProzaicMuze | was spam the new unit |
| 17:59.05 | HeyRevolver | please explain. |
| 17:59.07 | HeyRevolver | please |
| 17:59.09 | *** join/#sc2mapster Technomancer (81ae6122@gateway/web/freenode/ip.129.174.97.34) |
| 17:59.19 | ProzaicMuze | because Broodwar had an epic story |
| 17:59.20 | HeyRevolver | if you want story |
| 17:59.20 | Araxnid | because wc3 had epic sotry |
| 17:59.34 | Technomancer | who's frigg? lol |
| 17:59.34 | Araxnid | story, and sc1 with expansion was epic |
| 17:59.46 | HeyRevolver | Ok ok ok yeah i forgot about wc3 and tft |
| 17:59.47 | ProzaicMuze | I am frigg |
| 17:59.53 | HeyRevolver | god dammit |
| 17:59.56 | HeyRevolver | you got me |
| 17:59.58 | nolliepoper | GIES |
| 18:00.02 | HeyRevolver | but I still like sc2 |
| 18:00.03 | ProzaicMuze | Blizzard can make good story |
| 18:00.11 | ProzaicMuze | btu SC2 was just fail after I realized we were just saving his GF |
| 18:00.13 | nolliepoper | GEIS U THERE |
| 18:00.26 | ProzaicMuze | and then the fact that most of the units in the campaign were better than the MP player made melee maps just boring |
| 18:00.26 | HeyRevolver | we dont know how the story will unfold until the other 2 xpacs are out though |
| 18:00.27 | *** join/#sc2mapster LordAbyss (~Christoph@uawifi-nat-210-32.arizona.edu) |
| 18:00.32 | ProzaicMuze | so now I will only play UMS maps |
| 18:00.37 | ProzaicMuze | but I've only played maybe 10 |
| 18:00.39 | ProzaicMuze | since popularity sucks |
| 18:00.48 | LordAbyss | you haven't touched the sc2 ever |
| 18:00.48 | Technomancer | Legacy of the Void tends to say something in itself... |
| 18:00.53 | LordAbyss | only the editor |
| 18:00.57 | ProzaicMuze | In any war story where the first act is "Save dudes GF". . . |
| 18:01.04 | ProzaicMuze | act 2 is "Have sex with GF" |
| 18:01.11 | HeyRevolver | protoss is going to create a black hole and suck in the entire universe |
| 18:01.14 | Technomancer | Blizzard has said they have not started on Legacy tho, the Protoss one is 3rd |
| 18:01.15 | HeyRevolver | then all that will beleft is the void |
| 18:01.17 | ProzaicMuze | act 3 is "GF dies and hero becomes holy avenger of the universe" |
| 18:01.18 | LordAbyss | whoa! so now sixen goes offline and vjeux comes back |
| 18:01.19 | Technomancer | lol no they arent |
| 18:01.27 | Technomancer | I think the Xel Naga re the antagonists |
| 18:01.38 | HeyRevolver | yeah i was kidding |
| 18:01.40 | Technomancer | Theres something about the void however |
| 18:01.43 | Technomancer | that the toss draw from |
| 18:01.44 | LordAbyss | i think that fly from the very beginning is the antagonist |
| 18:01.47 | HeyRevolver | what is the black dudes name? |
| 18:01.50 | HeyRevolver | Duran |
| 18:01.55 | nolliepoper | UI - Hide Cash Panel for (All players) |
| 18:01.58 | nolliepoper | what do |
| 18:02.07 | ProzaicMuze | Duran is long gone |
| 18:02.07 | Araxnid | hides cash panel |
| 18:02.08 | HeyRevolver | LordAbyss you are probably right |
| 18:02.13 | ProzaicMuze | Now it's just "the Xel'Naga" |
| 18:02.16 | Araxnid | its in top right side |
| 18:02.17 | HeyRevolver | haha |
| 18:02.19 | HeyRevolver | i dunno man |
| 18:02.21 | nolliepoper | It doesn't hide mine... |
| 18:02.25 | HeyRevolver | Duran didnt show up til the very very end remember |
| 18:02.27 | nolliepoper | ARAXNID |
| 18:02.36 | LordAbyss | duran was a creeper |
| 18:02.36 | Araxnid | hm |
| 18:02.41 | HeyRevolver | total creeper |
| 18:02.43 | HeyRevolver | he is behind it all |
| 18:02.47 | HeyRevolver | Duran = Illuminati |
| 18:02.49 | Araxnid | i dont know much about ui studd, never expereminted with them |
| 18:02.51 | Araxnid | cant help you |
| 18:03.03 | Araxnid | Duran is just one of the xel naga .. helpers |
| 18:03.23 | HeyRevolver | thats what I thought too |
| 18:03.27 | nolliepoper | That is the only thing I wanna do with the UI |
| 18:03.40 | ProzaicMuze | Given the Terran are now the Xel'Naga lap dogs. . . |
| 18:03.46 | LordAbyss | the freaken fly is the xel'naga leader |
| 18:03.47 | ProzaicMuze | he was likely just a Terran being MC'd |
| 18:03.50 | Technomancer | speaking of the Xel'Naga, you know the hybrid models? does anyone know the names of em? like the ones used as the bosses in photon defence? |
| 18:03.54 | HeyRevolver | nolliepoper, is your name in reference to popping nollies.. like on a skateboard? |
| 18:04.02 | HeyRevolver | because if it is you spelled it wrong |
| 18:04.05 | ProzaicMuze | Hybrid [variant name] |
| 18:04.12 | LordAbyss | hybrid reaver is one i think |
| 18:04.12 | nolliepoper | I spell it on purpose. |
| 18:04.14 | ProzaicMuze | ollie* |
| 18:04.22 | HeyRevolver | nollie is a backwards ollie |
| 18:04.24 | ProzaicMuze | no |
| 18:04.24 | HeyRevolver | get with the times fool |
| 18:04.25 | ProzaicMuze | ollie |
| 18:04.26 | Technomancer | only thing is, doesnt archon use something with the prefix of Hybrid? |
| 18:04.33 | ProzaicMuze | nollie is a phail ollie |
| 18:04.34 | nolliepoper | backwards ollie is a fakie |
| 18:04.37 | ProzaicMuze | and skateboarding is phail |
| 18:04.41 | ProzaicMuze | ^^ |
| 18:04.49 | HeyRevolver | you just say that becaus eyou suck at it |
| 18:04.50 | nolliepoper | UI - Hide Cash Panel for (All players) |
| 18:04.52 | HeyRevolver | an could never do it |
| 18:04.55 | Technomancer | razor scooter isn't phail |
| 18:05.07 | ProzaicMuze | Or because pushing myself around on a wooden board is boring |
| 18:05.16 | HeyRevolver | i pop-grind-nollie-shuv-it onto grandma's faces |
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| 18:05.33 | nolliepoper | SKATEBOARDING ur doing it wrong ProzaicMuze. |
| 18:05.39 | HeyRevolver | owned. |
| 18:05.41 | DarkRevenant | aaaaa |
| 18:05.48 | DarkRevenant | bbbb |
| 18:05.50 | DarkRevenant | ccc |
| 18:05.52 | DarkRevenant | dd |
| 18:05.53 | DarkRevenant | e |
| 18:05.59 | ProzaicMuze | skateboarding is ghey |
| 18:06.01 | HeyRevolver | look a vuvuzela |
| 18:06.03 | HeyRevolver | BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ |
| 18:06.03 | ProzaicMuze | just admit that you're still 12years old |
| 18:06.08 | ProzaicMuze | and thing falling off railings is fun |
| 18:06.11 | ProzaicMuze | think* |
| 18:06.11 | nolliepoper | yep |
| 18:06.28 | HeyRevolver | dude if you seriously dont understand why people have fun skateboarding |
| 18:06.29 | DarkRevenant | dont you love it |
| 18:06.34 | HeyRevolver | cannot compute |
| 18:06.37 | DarkRevenant | when paper due dates |
| 18:06.39 | nolliepoper | computer games is for adults |
| 18:06.39 | DarkRevenant | are postponed |
| 18:06.43 | nolliepoper | skateboarding is for kids |
| 18:06.46 | DarkRevenant | because the prof couldn't grade the previous one in time |
| 18:06.47 | nolliepoper | nice |
| 18:06.53 | ProzaicMuze | lol |
| 18:06.54 | DarkRevenant | since the prompt was ridiculously long |
| 18:06.57 | DarkRevenant | seriously 17 pages |
| 18:06.59 | DarkRevenant | 6k words |
| 18:07.04 | DarkRevenant | makes my review looks like short story |
| 18:07.12 | ProzaicMuze | Given that everyone I ran into during the "start skateboarding" phase was an idiot or a pothead |
| 18:07.15 | ProzaicMuze | I had zero interest |
| 18:07.22 | HeyRevolver | hehe |
| 18:07.22 | DarkRevenant | im in college |
| 18:07.28 | DarkRevenant | you skateboard to get to class in time |
| 18:07.39 | nolliepoper | I never skate to class |
| 18:07.41 | nolliepoper | hahahah phail |
| 18:07.42 | HeyRevolver | longboards are whats "hip" these days |
| 18:07.45 | HeyRevolver | I remember back in my time... |
| 18:07.47 | ProzaicMuze | I drive a car to get to class on time |
| 18:07.48 | DarkRevenant | nor do i |
| 18:07.50 | ProzaicMuze | Or walk |
| 18:07.52 | ProzaicMuze | or ride a bike |
| 18:07.52 | nolliepoper | skateboarding used as transportation is ghay |
| 18:08.02 | DarkRevenant | i walk |
| 18:08.04 | DarkRevenant | healthier |
| 18:08.15 | DarkRevenant | i walk over a mile every day, even when im being a lazy shit |
| 18:08.16 | HeyRevolver | I ride on my grandma's back |
| 18:08.23 | HeyRevolver | and then pop-shuv-it off her face to get in the building |
| 18:08.24 | ProzaicMuze | I just dont' go to school |
| 18:08.25 | ProzaicMuze | healthiest |
| 18:08.32 | Araxnid | hahaha |
| 18:08.46 | ProzaicMuze | Your grandma must be an evil dictator |
| 18:08.53 | nolliepoper | what do? UI - Hide Cash Panel for (All players) |
| 18:08.59 | nolliepoper | no work now wut? |
| 18:09.02 | HeyRevolver | I dont get it |
| 18:09.12 | HeyRevolver | is it her face of steel that makes her hitler? |
| 18:09.23 | HeyRevolver | or the fact that she has uncanny stength for an old woman |
| 18:09.28 | DarkRevenant | IMPEACH OBAMA |
| 18:09.30 | DarkRevenant | posters |
| 18:09.33 | DarkRevenant | are annoying |
| 18:09.44 | DarkRevenant | hitler mustache on obama |
| 18:09.49 | DarkRevenant | didnt know hitler was half black |
| 18:10.04 | ProzaicMuze | Or the fact that your willing to dismount from her face |
| 18:10.09 | HeyRevolver | lol |
| 18:10.16 | HeyRevolver | i dismount from her back by jumping off her face |
| 18:10.18 | HeyRevolver | there is a difference |
| 18:10.22 | ProzaicMuze | Xp |
| 18:10.41 | HeyRevolver | she is damn fast, too |
| 18:10.45 | HeyRevolver | we use the carpool lane |
| 18:11.10 | HeyRevolver | ok time for more fallout |
| 18:11.13 | Araxnid | people, if i using my mod file, what will happen when i publicated map? |
| 18:11.19 | HeyRevolver | hoe I dont see any NPC's! looool |
| 18:11.21 | DarkRevenant | lol |
| 18:11.24 | HeyRevolver | hope* |
| 18:11.39 | DarkRevenant | araxnid |
| 18:11.42 | LordAbyss | i know a game someone can make! |
| 18:11.43 | DarkRevenant | what are you talking about? |
| 18:11.46 | LordAbyss | Stuck in Rush Hour |
| 18:11.48 | Araxnid | hmmmm |
| 18:11.48 | DarkRevenant | that grammer is awful |
| 18:11.53 | Araxnid | ok one moment) |
| 18:12.13 | LordAbyss | your goal is to be patient enough to survive an hour of terribly slow driving |
| 18:12.21 | LordAbyss | and if you do, you can nuke the other cars |
| 18:12.36 | DarkRevenant | i have no car ): |
| 18:12.46 | DarkRevenant | no insurance, either, since i have no job |
| 18:12.48 | ProzaicMuze | speaking of evil dictators |
| 18:12.50 | Technomancer | Obama's an illegitimate born in kenya |
| 18:12.53 | ProzaicMuze | GW 2 is gonna be epic |
| 18:12.56 | ProzaicMuze | and I recently started up GW again |
| 18:12.59 | LordAbyss | same |
| 18:13.00 | ProzaicMuze | so that I can get the uber cool perks |
| 18:13.03 | DarkRevenant | no, obama was born in russia |
| 18:13.08 | LordAbyss | wtf what is your name pm |
| 18:13.12 | DarkRevenant | he's the descendent of a czar |
| 18:13.18 | ProzaicMuze | sexyfuntimesfor$5 |
| 18:13.18 | Technomancer | Russia? how so? |
| 18:13.21 | HeyRevolver | I had so many guild wars chars |
| 18:13.25 | HeyRevolver | Remeber "The Deep" |
| 18:13.27 | LordAbyss | bastard |
| 18:13.27 | Araxnid | wtf about russia |
| 18:13.32 | Technomancer | lol ya rly |
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| 18:13.41 | Technomancer | He is ON TAPE admitting he was not born in America |
| 18:13.43 | ProzaicMuze | I have a bunch of chics and a couple dudes |
| 18:13.44 | HeyRevolver | "The Deep" aka ProzaicMuze's mom's vagina |
| 18:13.50 | ProzaicMuze | that's all I can tell you about my char names |
| 18:13.51 | Technomancer | that he was born in Kenya |
| 18:14.00 | ProzaicMuze | stupid dual naming system makes it so I completely ignore the 2nd name |
| 18:14.03 | DarkRevenant | on tape |
| 18:14.06 | ProzaicMuze | so even if I told you the first it'd be useless lol |
| 18:14.07 | DarkRevenant | oh like tapes can't be faked |
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| 18:14.12 | HeyRevolver | Mandingo Funkblaust |
| 18:14.13 | DarkRevenant | just get some black guy speaking like a white guy |
| 18:14.15 | Ousnius | hi |
| 18:14.16 | DarkRevenant | will sound like obama |
| 18:14.18 | Technomancer | this wasnt, you cant assume that |
| 18:14.23 | Ousnius | Shawn|Rawr |
| 18:14.29 | Ousnius | can you upload my new version of shrink td? |
| 18:14.30 | Technomancer | No, I would ask you to prove it isn't |
| 18:14.40 | DarkRevenant | technomancer, you cannot assume that the tape was either faked nor true |
| 18:14.41 | ProzaicMuze | lol, isn't mandingo a pornstar name? |
| 18:14.51 | HeyRevolver | hahaha |
| 18:14.52 | HeyRevolver | yeah |
| 18:14.52 | Technomancer | DarkrRevenant you are assuming it is faked |
| 18:14.54 | DarkRevenant | therefore, you cannot make the conclusion based on that evidence that obama is kenyan |
| 18:14.56 | HeyRevolver | MY pornstar name |
| 18:15.07 | DarkRevenant | nor do you know for sure that obama is american |
| 18:15.27 | Technomancer | I know he isn't! he's a spearchucker from Kenya |
| 18:15.43 | DarkRevenant | that's clearly wrong |
| 18:15.46 | DarkRevenant | he throws basketballs |
| 18:15.53 | DarkRevenant | spears are not his weapon of choice |
| 18:16.05 | Technomancer | lol |
| 18:16.07 | Technomancer | touche` |
| 18:16.38 | Ousnius | Shawn|Rawr see PM |
| 18:16.41 | Ousnius | bb |
| 18:16.43 | Technomancer | still a Junglebunny tho |
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| 18:17.47 | nolliepoper | why no work? |
| 18:17.47 | DarkRevenant | technomancer |
| 18:17.47 | nolliepoper | UI - Hide Cash Panel for (All players) |
| 18:17.52 | DarkRevenant | videos can be faked |
| 18:17.59 | DarkRevenant | sound can be faked even more easily |
| 18:18.08 | DarkRevenant | you're not an authority on the matter |
| 18:18.10 | Leaderboard | Anyone to play Bounty Hunters on EU ? |
| 18:18.18 | DarkRevenant | meaning your argument is not even close to conclusive |
| 18:18.22 | Technomancer | my field of study is digital art and animation, including aftereffects |
| 18:18.33 | Technomancer | I know they can be faked, but this one requires proof |
| 18:19.32 | Technomancer | http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/04/11/kenyan-parliament-claims-obama-born-in-kenya/ |
| 18:20.56 | DarkRevenant | why would kenya not want to claim obama to be kenyan? |
| 18:22.27 | DarkRevenant | when addressing this |
| 18:22.31 | DarkRevenant | we have to assess their motive |
| 18:22.44 | DarkRevenant | to determine if they are a trustable authority |
| 18:24.53 | ProzaicMuze | wtf |
| 18:24.53 | ProzaicMuze | ghey |
| 18:25.02 | ProzaicMuze | this vid of muse in concert |
| 18:25.09 | ProzaicMuze | he randomly yells yeehaw in the middle of a song |
| 18:25.25 | ProzaicMuze | how dare he ruin the song! |
| 18:26.09 | Leaderboard | Who for Bounty Hunters on EU ? |
| 18:26.19 | ProzaicMuze | EU is teh icky |
| 18:26.48 | LordAbyss | agree |
| 18:26.50 | LordAbyss | ~agree |
| 18:26.50 | purl | ACTION nods her head |
| 18:26.53 | DarkRevenant | European Union - the ick |
| 18:27.20 | DarkRevenant | ~disagree |
| 18:27.20 | purl | ACTION redirects your idea to /dev/null |
| 18:27.41 | DarkRevenant | EU = ick |
| 18:27.44 | DarkRevenant | UE = yay |
| 18:27.46 | DarkRevenant | United Earth |
| 18:29.49 | LordAbyss | UED! |
| 18:31.11 | LordAbyss | it got quiet |
| 18:31.15 | LordAbyss | too quiet |
| 18:31.26 | LordAbyss | hides the bloody knife. |
| 18:33.03 | DarkRevenant | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA |
| 18:33.08 | DarkRevenant | oh sorry i was practicing my DBZ |
| 18:33.13 | DarkRevenant | imagine the script |
| 18:33.26 | DarkRevenant | Goku: I will destroy you, Freeza! |
| 18:33.27 | LordAbyss | SS23.45 |
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| 18:33.48 | Leaderboard | Seriously, no one for EU ? :( |
| 18:33.57 | DarkRevenant | Goku: *crescendoed screaming with pitch slowly raising for 35 seconds* |
| 18:34.19 | DarkRevenant | \or |
| 18:34.30 | DarkRevenant | Goku: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA (35 seconds) |
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| 18:36.50 | FahqueL | ok guys can a ability of type effect - target find multiple targets? by putting a search area as the called effect |
| 18:37.26 | FahqueL | i want a unit that autocasts medic heal beams (up to 10 beams at once) on any allies in range |
| 18:38.32 | CKeen | does anyone know how to get to the launcher on the first world in new super mario bros DS |
| 18:38.41 | CKeen | the cannon that sends you to the next world |
| 18:41.59 | DarkRevenant | ~8ball NO |
| 18:41.59 | purl | Please ask again. |
| 18:42.11 | DarkRevenant | ~8ball Are you a reliable source, purl? |
| 18:42.11 | purl | I'm not sure. |
| 18:42.16 | DarkRevenant | oh dear |
| 18:42.24 | DarkRevenant | ~8ball Am I sitting down? |
| 18:42.24 | purl | Absolutely. |
| 18:42.26 | LordAbyss | ~8ball Am i sexy? |
| 18:42.26 | purl | Absolutely. |
| 18:42.26 | Zara | revenant do you know if localization of a map will be erased if the map is saved again? |
| 18:42.35 | DarkRevenant | fuck she was right |
| 18:42.54 | DarkRevenant | zara, it's probably going to be erased, but i don't know for sure |
| 18:43.05 | DarkRevenant | you should test |
| 18:43.20 | Zara | damn why they don't add it by default -_- |
| 18:43.35 | Bibendus|AFK | is now away - Reason : Auto-Away after 30 minutes |
| 18:46.01 | Cronos | is sc2 down? |
| 18:48.17 | *** join/#sc2mapster TheAlmaity (bc816dc0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.129.109.192) |
| 18:49.39 | TheAlmaity | hey guys, anyone here know how to use force effects? ive got a tiny problem... |
| 18:55.14 | Sevenix | force effects have been bugged since beta |
| 18:55.19 | Sevenix | dont think they fixed em |
| 18:55.22 | TheAlmaity | they work |
| 18:55.30 | TheAlmaity | ive used them, the campaign used them |
| 18:55.33 | Sevenix | yes, in onde direction, and with 1 force |
| 18:55.35 | Sevenix | one" |
| 18:55.55 | TheAlmaity | ive managed to apply 2 different ones for now, just i cant get the direction right on one... |
| 18:56.04 | Sevenix | direction doesnt work for sure |
| 18:56.12 | Sevenix | I didnt even think different values worked |
| 18:56.36 | TheAlmaity | force pushes away from its center, thats the only possible direction i think |
| 18:57.24 | TheAlmaity | only problem is, i need to find a way for a search effect to find the unit the search effect originates from (behavior makes persistent, persistent makes search) |
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| 18:58.12 | TheAlmaity | brb, trying out yet another way... |
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| 19:10.21 | Zara | localization files are not erased revenant |
| 19:10.31 | Zara | that's nice to know |
| 19:10.54 | Zara | save process keeps them inside |
| 19:12.54 | Zara | as well as listfile is correctly created |
| 19:16.08 | FahqueL | zara, i am US and my partner is EU |
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| 19:16.26 | FahqueL | we have to relocalize everytime we pass map back and forth |
| 19:16.48 | FahqueL | i do work on map, then i run localizer and set primary locale to enUS then send map to him |
| 19:17.02 | Zara | fahquel I just tried to create local folders inside using MPQ editor |
| 19:17.12 | FahqueL | he does work on map then runs localizer with primary locale = enGB |
| 19:17.16 | FahqueL | and then sends map to me |
| 19:17.27 | FahqueL | it took us an entire day to get that worked out |
| 19:17.30 | Zara | all is working fine... I just can save the map and localizations are kept inside |
| 19:17.50 | Zara | what localizer are you talking about? |
| 19:17.59 | FahqueL | the one from mapster |
| 19:18.06 | FahqueL | sc2localizer.exe |
| 19:18.24 | FahqueL | if you leave it on "auto" it fails hard |
| 19:18.58 | Zara | well... the text are the same? |
| 19:19.15 | FahqueL | well we foudn this issue because of text breaking |
| 19:19.21 | FahqueL | i would do work then send to him |
| 19:19.29 | FahqueL | and all the work i did had broken text |
| 19:19.41 | FahqueL | so i would run localizer and send it to him |
| 19:19.43 | FahqueL | and it would fail |
| 19:20.09 | FahqueL | finally we found that we have to set the primary locale in the localizer to our region then run it |
| 19:20.19 | FahqueL | then send it to guy in other region |
| 19:20.26 | Zara | it just sets the same text for all locales? |
| 19:20.42 | FahqueL | im not really clear on what it DOES... |
| 19:20.50 | FahqueL | i just found what works... |
| 19:20.56 | Zara | hahaha I'll do it by hand |
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| 19:20.59 | Zara | with MPQ editor |
| 19:21.02 | Zara | seems better |
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| 19:21.33 | nolliepoper | HI ZARA |
| 19:21.34 | Zara | I'm working on the map alone, so I just need to copy my itIT locale over the others |
| 19:21.38 | Zara | hey! |
| 19:21.40 | nolliepoper | this suppos to work but no |
| 19:21.41 | nolliepoper | UI - Hide Cash Panel for (All players) |
| 19:21.48 | nolliepoper | in my initialization |
| 19:22.21 | nolliepoper | While test game after publish |
| 19:22.39 | nolliepoper | it shows the resource sharing square in the top right corner |
| 19:24.20 | Zara | what is the cash panel? |
| 19:24.24 | Zara | minerals and vespene? |
| 19:24.48 | nolliepoper | I was hoping it was |
| 19:24.59 | wOlfLinG | So i'm going to start doing weekly trigger tutorials. A bit like PMs data tutorials, but for triggers :). Need to get my PC sorted first though -.- |
| 19:25.13 | nolliepoper | that little square you see in the top right corner that allows you to share minerals and vespene with allies |
| 19:25.23 | nolliepoper | I need to remove that square. |
| 19:25.45 | Zara | that's not |
| 19:25.53 | Zara | if you are trying to hide res panel |
| 19:25.55 | Zara | w8 |
| 19:26.10 | Zara | I did it in my map |
| 19:26.22 | nolliepoper | W0lfLinG no need for trigger tutorials but we need maor data tutorils. |
| 19:26.30 | wOlfLinG | meh :) |
| 19:26.34 | nolliepoper | the fun stuff? |
| 19:26.40 | wOlfLinG | We definately need a dialog one though |
| 19:26.44 | nolliepoper | Zara I will love you even more |
| 19:26.51 | nolliepoper | if you know the name |
| 19:26.51 | wOlfLinG | Which is basically finished |
| 19:26.59 | wOlfLinG | But it's on my broken pc :/ |
| 19:27.07 | wOlfLinG | need to salvage it and upload it |
| 19:27.08 | nolliepoper | Maybe you can make some tuts |
| 19:27.23 | nolliepoper | on the syntax of galaxy code for custom scripts? |
| 19:27.24 | Zara | so for example... i work on text |
| 19:27.32 | Zara | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:27.44 | Zara | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:27.51 | nolliepoper | where put? |
| 19:28.04 | Zara | initializatiobn |
| 19:28.04 | nolliepoper | which is which? |
| 19:28.12 | Zara | first one hides supplies |
| 19:28.18 | Zara | second hides vespene + minerals |
| 19:28.26 | nolliepoper | you can share supplies? |
| 19:28.34 | wOlfLinG | Right now i'm thinking maybe: Dialog, Banks, Catalog fields and galaxy code tutorials |
| 19:28.40 | Zara | not as far as I know |
| 19:28.46 | Zara | you can create a custom variable |
| 19:28.52 | Zara | Team1Supplies |
| 19:28.57 | Zara | Team2Supplies |
| 19:29.02 | nolliepoper | no I meant I don't understand this |
| 19:29.08 | Zara | ? |
| 19:29.11 | nolliepoper | UISetFrameVisible((PlayerGroupAll()), c_syncFrameTypeSupply, false) |
| 19:29.19 | Zara | you know the supplies label? |
| 19:29.29 | Zara | 5/18 for example |
| 19:29.31 | nolliepoper | I am not trying to hide |
| 19:29.36 | Zara | this hides it |
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| 19:29.36 | nolliepoper | o you may have mistake |
| 19:29.46 | Iconic | sup nigs |
| 19:29.46 | nolliepoper | I not trying to hide the count of minerals and vespene |
| 19:29.54 | Zara | UI - Hide Cash Panel for (All players) |
| 19:30.00 | Zara | you were trying to do that right? |
| 19:30.03 | nolliepoper | but the button allowing you to share them with allies |
| 19:30.28 | nolliepoper | that little square you can click in the top right |
| 19:30.35 | nolliepoper | to share resources with allies |
| 19:30.37 | nolliepoper | remove that |
| 19:30.53 | Zara | aaaaaaaaaaaaaah |
| 19:30.58 | Zara | the resource share... |
| 19:31.00 | Zara | mhhhhhhh |
| 19:31.51 | Zara | search in the same trigger action |
| 19:31.56 | Zara | for all possible values and test |
| 19:32.04 | Zara | there must be what you are looking for |
| 19:32.06 | Zara | I'm sure |
| 19:33.15 | wOlfLinG | Think it's in game UI |
| 19:33.15 | wOlfLinG | But not sure |
| 19:33.37 | nolliepoper | I been searching for days |
| 19:33.52 | Zara | well i think the only way is to hide resources |
| 19:34.01 | Zara | i have hidden them |
| 19:34.06 | Zara | and sharing also disappeared |
| 19:34.15 | Shawn|Rawr | Staredit has a really cool wiki going on.. It's not completed though |
| 19:34.32 | Zara | so the only way is to hide resources and then create custom resource icons |
| 19:35.00 | nolliepoper | is it a game dialog button? |
| 19:35.12 | nolliepoper | I don't wanna do all that Zara |
| 19:35.27 | Zara | well i'm sorry but |
| 19:35.38 | Zara | mmmmmmmmmmmmmm w8 w8 |
| 19:35.40 | nolliepoper | I am pretty sure the buttom can be hiden without the resource counters |
| 19:35.48 | Zara | maybe it has something to do |
| 19:35.52 | Zara | with alliances? |
| 19:35.57 | Zara | deny resources sharing? |
| 19:36.05 | Zara | campaign maps doesn't have it |
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| 19:44.17 | Tordy | hi there |
| 19:44.19 | Tordy | hi Arthas- |
| 19:45.02 | nolliepoper | Got it chea |
| 19:45.03 | nolliepoper | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:45.08 | nolliepoper | I havn't tested |
| 19:47.06 | Tordy | XFD @ list blizz gave us |
| 19:47.07 | Tordy | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/general/general-chat/13745-blizzards-letter-about-nexus-word-wars/#posts |
| 19:47.23 | Tordy | cant even use arse |
| 19:47.34 | Tordy | and then these random ones like whoremonger |
| 19:47.37 | Tordy | when whore is not even listed |
| 19:50.56 | Shawn|Rawr | lol, it's already taken caare of. I even looked at every word last night and didnt find much |
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| 19:52.08 | Tordy | did photon command really win the blizz contest? |
| 19:52.09 | Tordy | http://www.thehelper.net/forums/showthread.php?p=1294515 |
| 19:52.26 | Tordy | it does look great |
| 19:52.37 | Tordy | maybe not hard to create |
| 19:52.54 | Tordy | important part is is it fun? |
| 19:52.58 | Tordy | havent tried it |
| 19:53.24 | Shawn|Rawr | The guy says its hosted on US now so you can try it |
| 19:53.32 | Shawn|Rawr | Us and EU |
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| 19:56.18 | Tordy | is it fun? |
| 19:57.09 | Tordy | looks like a lot of people are jealous in this topic!: |
| 19:57.10 | Tordy | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/general/general-chat/13746-blizzard-custom-map-contest-winner/#p9 |
| 19:57.29 | Shawn|Rawr | Thats why I put in the Start Flaming joke |
| 19:58.18 | Tordy | have you played it? |
| 19:58.25 | Shawn|Rawr | Nope, didn't care enough |
| 19:58.42 | Shawn|Rawr | Everyone is making such a big deal about that contest and it doesn't mean much to me |
| 19:58.50 | Tordy | well i'd try it out first before i start flaming >:] |
| 19:59.09 | Tordy | yea i wouldn't make a big deal either since i didnt participate |
| 19:59.30 | Tordy | but i'd imagine the people that spent a lot of time on the maps would feel a little bad |
| 19:59.59 | Tordy | $5k is a lot of money too |
| 20:00.16 | Tordy | -+ |
| 20:00.29 | Shawn|Rawr | I've never wanted money or fame from making maps, it's just fun and games to me |
| 20:00.38 | Shawn|Rawr | So again, doesn't mean much to me ;) |
| 20:00.44 | Tordy | :) |
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| 20:01.11 | Tordy | there are a lot of map makers that want recognition and rewards for their work |
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| 20:01.20 | Tordy | hi Shawn|Rawr |
| 20:01.24 | Tordy | hi SuraklinSC2 |
| 20:01.33 | Shawn|Rawr | I'm actually about to start working on a new wiki that staredit has created |
| 20:01.53 | Tordy | cool' |
| 20:01.58 | Shawn|Rawr | Seems like it could turn into something big |
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| 20:02.52 | Tordy | hi nolliepoper |
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| 20:03.06 | nicoli_s | Shawn|Rawr:you know we have a wiki at mapster right? |
| 20:03.07 | nolliepoper__ | Yes can you test map with me? |
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| 20:03.26 | nolliepoper__ | my stupid keys stop working. |
| 20:03.34 | Shawn|Rawr | Yes, but I find the wikipedia styled wikis to be much more effective and user friendly |
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| 20:03.39 | nolliepoper__ | like they type fine but when I hit enter nothing appears. |
| 20:03.51 | Tordy | damn you tassadar! |
| 20:03.52 | Tordy | >:[ |
| 20:05.40 | Shawn|Rawr | Besides that, most of the pages in the sc2mapster wiki don't tell you anything useful |
| 20:05.45 | Shawn|Rawr | cept the tutorials |
| 20:06.47 | Leaderboard | L4D2 is...relaxing... |
| 20:07.26 | nicoli_s | Shawn|Rawr:well it seems itd be better to contribute to what exists and has some content, then to start from scratch at some new site :) |
| 20:08.05 | Shawn|Rawr | Possibly.. I can easily do one page on one site and transfer it over to the other though |
| 20:08.16 | Shawn|Rawr | I'm going to go through all the UI triggers now |
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| 20:08.46 | nolliepoper__ | Anyone can test us server only take a minute? |
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| 20:09.04 | nolliepoper__ | Anyone can test us server only take a minute? |
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| 20:12.55 | Mephs | uah |
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| 20:19.31 | Griffith`` | man |
| 20:19.37 | Griffith`` | its basically impossible to host your own maps on |
| 20:19.41 | Griffith`` | no one ever joins |
| 20:21.09 | Mephs | yup |
| 20:21.23 | Mephs | page 1 your game will fill up almost instantly |
| 20:21.26 | Mephs | p2, take about 2-3 min |
| 20:21.37 | Mephs | my map took anywhere from 5-30 min to fill up on p3 or more |
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| 20:21.47 | Griffith`` | i dont think my map is even on p3 |
| 20:21.48 | Griffith`` | lol |
| 20:21.55 | Mephs | yea past page 3 yoru game is unplayable |
| 20:22.01 | Mephs | unless its single player or relatively low player count |
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| 20:22.15 | Griffith`` | blizzard really fucked us over |
| 20:22.26 | Mephs | no they're just taking their good old time fixing it |
| 20:22.28 | Griffith`` | most of the popular maps suck as well |
| 20:22.33 | Griffith`` | like theres one that's in spanish |
| 20:22.33 | Griffith`` | wtf |
| 20:22.42 | Griffith`` | its one of the featured maps too |
| 20:22.48 | Mephs | featured map consistently seems to mean "shitty map" |
| 20:22.55 | Mephs | i've never enjoyed a featured map yet |
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| 20:23.12 | DarkRevenant | partycraft got a fucking copper |
| 20:23.14 | DarkRevenant | i mean wut |
| 20:23.28 | DarkRevenant | i dont know why it was featured |
| 20:23.29 | Mephs | review my game rev |
| 20:23.41 | Mephs | if you can find 9 ppl to play with :p |
| 20:23.42 | DarkRevenant | cant review anything until im back at home, friday |
| 20:23.50 | DarkRevenant | plus i'm working on my own game |
| 20:23.50 | Mephs | cuz that shit is on page 500 |
| 20:23.59 | DarkRevenant | i've got 5-6 interface gauges for my map to work on |
| 20:24.03 | Mephs | ya |
| 20:24.08 | DarkRevenant | for a total of perhaps a hundred interface elements |
| 20:24.15 | DarkRevenant | for each player |
| 20:24.18 | DarkRevenant | luckily, interface is local |
| 20:24.27 | Mephs | i can get it to page 2-3 if i really try, but i dont feel like it |
| 20:24.35 | DarkRevenant | unluckily, they need to be separate variables because each player will have different resolutions |
| 20:24.48 | Mephs | well |
| 20:24.51 | Mephs | you can workaround |
| 20:24.56 | Mephs | by using anchors creatively |
| 20:25.02 | DarkRevenant | but that's okay, since i have two or three dozen 1000-size arrays, too |
| 20:25.09 | DarkRevenant | some are essentially 10000 size arrays |
| 20:25.12 | DarkRevenant | or 30000 |
| 20:25.16 | Mephs | why would you ever need that many |
| 20:25.27 | Mephs | er that size of an array |
| 20:26.07 | Griffith`` | page 500 lol |
| 20:26.29 | DarkRevenant | because |
| 20:26.35 | DarkRevenant | 1000 projectiles are allowed, maximum |
| 20:26.41 | DarkRevenant | but by around 500 the thread limit is reached |
| 20:26.50 | Mephs | and you need variables for them why? >_> |
| 20:26.59 | DarkRevenant | plus the only way to get to 500 or so projectiles concurrently is to have everyone shooting fully-automatic shotguns |
| 20:27.06 | DarkRevenant | because it's a physics system |
| 20:27.16 | DarkRevenant | it's basically an artificial struct with several DOZEN elements |
| 20:27.18 | Mephs | they have a physics system built in. kinda |
| 20:27.20 | DarkRevenant | it's very very versatile |
| 20:27.23 | DarkRevenant | practically bug-free |
| 20:27.28 | DarkRevenant | total usability, no limitations |
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| 20:27.44 | DarkRevenant | hard-body collisions and their responses, etc |
| 20:27.50 | Mephs | sounds like you better off using a real game engine to do that... |
| 20:27.55 | Mephs | at least you dont need a million variables |
| 20:27.57 | DarkRevenant | i already finished it lol |
| 20:28.03 | DarkRevenant | i just have to make the game part now |
| 20:28.07 | Mephs | ._. |
| 20:28.10 | DarkRevenant | it took 2.5 weeks of solid work though |
| 20:28.18 | Mephs | i just dont see why |
| 20:28.23 | Mephs | if you know how to make a physics engine |
| 20:28.33 | DarkRevenant | a lot easier to make a mod than it is to make a game |
| 20:28.35 | Mephs | that you'd waste your time bogging yourself down with the clunky sc2 editor to implement it |
| 20:28.36 | DarkRevenant | let me tell you that right now |
| 20:28.47 | DarkRevenant | it would have been 2.5 months if i did it standalone |
| 20:28.58 | Mephs | yea but the problem is |
| 20:29.05 | Mephs | the sc2 engine is shit for that kind of thing |
| 20:29.13 | Mephs | like you said, you're getting too-many-thread errors |
| 20:29.17 | Mephs | you're going to be severely limited |
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| 20:29.36 | Mephs | if sc2 properly supported OOP it'd probably be fine |
| 20:29.58 | Mephs | but if you need 1000-10000 size arrays thats usually a good indicator that its not meant to be :p |
| 20:30.06 | DarkRevenant | too-many-thread errors |
| 20:30.08 | DarkRevenant | only happens at |
| 20:30.11 | DarkRevenant | RIDICULOUS level |
| 20:30.13 | DarkRevenant | of projectiles |
| 20:30.19 | DarkRevenant | the game starts lagging badly at 300 projectiles |
| 20:30.23 | DarkRevenant | 500 is just ridiculous |
| 20:30.30 | DarkRevenant | plus 300 concurrent physics objects is just... unneeded |
| 20:30.47 | Mephs | as long as you expect the game will never have 300 concurrent physics objects |
| 20:30.48 | DarkRevenant | since they can ALL collide with each other |
| 20:30.50 | DarkRevenant | i mean, my god |
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| 20:31.10 | Mephs | i'm sure with some creative data editing you could pull the same result off with 1/10th of the time investment |
| 20:31.10 | DarkRevenant | even a 1200 RPM gatling gun will only put like 30 projectiles in the air at the same time, unless they're slow or something |
| 20:31.22 | DarkRevenant | absolutely not |
| 20:31.27 | DarkRevenant | data editor has a very limited control of physics |
| 20:31.29 | Mephs | you can do collisions with DE |
| 20:31.34 | Mephs | and missiles |
| 20:31.34 | DarkRevenant | i cannot even come close to the amount of control I have |
| 20:31.48 | DarkRevenant | hard-body collisions and accurate terrain bouncing is IMPOSSIBLE with just the DE |
| 20:31.55 | Mephs | not true! |
| 20:31.55 | DarkRevenant | it requires vector physics |
| 20:32.04 | Mephs | i kinda did it in my map |
| 20:32.10 | Mephs | though it wasn't a dynamic physics engine |
| 20:32.13 | DarkRevenant | hard-body collisions are not just |
| 20:32.16 | DarkRevenant | collision detection |
| 20:32.23 | DarkRevenant | it's billiards-level physics |
| 20:32.37 | Mephs | ah |
| 20:32.41 | DarkRevenant | it would be very easy for me to make a fully simulated billiards map at this point |
| 20:32.46 | Mephs | well again i dont know exactly what it is you're trying to accomplish |
| 20:32.55 | Mephs | with said engine |
| 20:33.11 | DarkRevenant | i can even get something of the level of |
| 20:33.22 | DarkRevenant | the experiment where you have 3 balls next to each other, touching |
| 20:33.26 | DarkRevenant | shoot one ball into one end |
| 20:33.29 | Mephs | no homo |
| 20:33.31 | Mephs | * |
| 20:33.33 | DarkRevenant | the ball at the other end shoots out |
| 20:33.51 | DarkRevenant | the rest don't/stop moving |
| 20:34.03 | Mephs | yea |
| 20:34.21 | Mephs | so your'e making a pool map? |
| 20:34.25 | Mephs | oO |
| 20:34.27 | DarkRevenant | i've got an isometric shooter setup |
| 20:34.43 | DarkRevenant | WSAD movement (though you can also right click to move like a normal RTS-style thing) |
| 20:34.46 | DarkRevenant | left click fires |
| 20:34.48 | Mephs | oh god |
| 20:34.50 | DarkRevenant | you can fire while moving, of course |
| 20:35.00 | DarkRevenant | space bar jumps, so you can jump down cliffs or hop while moving |
| 20:35.12 | Mephs | well i dont mean to be negative but |
| 20:35.14 | DarkRevenant | it's kind of like a top-down quake or UT |
| 20:35.19 | Mephs | you realize 99% of ppl's who play on battle.net |
| 20:35.24 | Mephs | their computers will blow up when the map loads |
| 20:35.29 | DarkRevenant | no |
| 20:35.33 | DarkRevenant | i can run it on this scrapheap of a comp |
| 20:35.37 | DarkRevenant | just as i can a melee map |
| 20:35.47 | Mephs | ok but drop X number more of players into the map |
| 20:35.50 | DarkRevenant | any comp with a dual core CPU will be fine |
| 20:35.52 | Mephs | ppl gonna drop and lag the game out every 2 sec |
| 20:35.58 | DarkRevenant | i've tested with 4 |
| 20:36.09 | DarkRevenant | also the only way to lag it out is to abuse the keyboard control |
| 20:36.19 | DarkRevenant | just spam the same key 1000 times per second with an autoclicker program |
| 20:36.20 | Mephs | i'm just saying, when you play it with randoms on bnet |
| 20:36.27 | Mephs | i didn't think my map would ever lag badly |
| 20:36.29 | DarkRevenant | and any map using key control methods will lag out |
| 20:36.35 | Mephs | i tested it thoroughly with a lot of ppl |
| 20:36.41 | DarkRevenant | i prevent that by kicking people who do that many actions per second |
| 20:36.41 | Mephs | but then i publish it and someone drops every game |
| 20:36.51 | Mephs | or 2-3 ppl lag out |
| 20:37.01 | DarkRevenant | plus i optimize my keyboard/mouse setup as much as possible |
| 20:37.05 | Mephs | and i didn't even use WASD |
| 20:37.08 | Mephs | or anything really fancy |
| 20:37.21 | Mephs | just a very small trigger-aiming system |
| 20:37.27 | Mephs | that ran great for most ppl |
| 20:37.30 | DarkRevenant | 1. I optimized it. it runs perfectly in all my tests, though I have only tested with 5 people at once |
| 20:37.32 | Mephs | but there's always that 1-2 laggerse |
| 20:37.41 | Mephs | yea this is a 10 player game i'm talking about too :p |
| 20:38.00 | DarkRevenant | 2. blizzard is also optimizing the key controls for patch 1.2 or 1.3 |
| 20:38.13 | Mephs | i'm not expecting much with #2 |
| 20:38.41 | DarkRevenant | though a fallback could be that |
| 20:38.44 | Mephs | if it really improves to the point of being playable |
| 20:38.50 | DarkRevenant | you order the unit normally with right click for smart move |
| 20:38.58 | DarkRevenant | actually, even with the normal bnet lag |
| 20:39.01 | DarkRevenant | it's surprisingly playable |
| 20:39.02 | Mephs | then i'd finally consider making a FPS type of game |
| 20:39.11 | DarkRevenant | maybe i just got lucky with the numbers |
| 20:39.12 | Mephs | i've never seen a WASD game that was playable on bnet |
| 20:39.17 | DarkRevenant | also this is an isometric shooter |
| 20:39.19 | DarkRevenant | not a FPS or TPS |
| 20:39.21 | Mephs | ever |
| 20:39.28 | DarkRevenant | it's like battle mages, warlocks, elimination tournament, TCX, etc |
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| 20:39.32 | Mephs | i almost puked in my mouth playing all of bounty's shitty maps |
| 20:39.36 | Mephs | as it was |
| 20:39.43 | Mephs | i can't imagine anything with any real time put into it being playable |
| 20:39.49 | DarkRevenant | meh TPS is not my cup of tea |
| 20:39.52 | DarkRevenant | never wanted to make one to begin with |
| 20:39.56 | Mephs | well its not the TPS |
| 20:39.59 | Mephs | that sucks |
| 20:40.01 | Mephs | its the WASD shit |
| 20:40.10 | DarkRevenant | you don't HAVE to do WSAD in my map |
| 20:40.12 | Shawn|Rawr | Actually zanam was doing very well with an isometric shooter |
| 20:40.13 | Mephs | and the fact that firing in a TPS requires the servers to not fall behind |
| 20:40.15 | DarkRevenant | you can also right click like a white man |
| 20:40.23 | Mephs | so there's very poor accuracy |
| 20:40.48 | Mephs | it's like playing quake 1 on dial-up all over again |
| 20:40.51 | DarkRevenant | as i said, it's currently playable in my private tests |
| 20:41.06 | DarkRevenant | private tests do run on MY internet, not blizzard's though |
| 20:41.08 | Mephs | do EU bnet servers not suck as bad as US? |
| 20:41.17 | DarkRevenant | US servers are generally good |
| 20:41.31 | DarkRevenant | lag is almost entirely user-generated |
| 20:41.46 | Mephs | its more the fact that the slowest person in a game |
| 20:41.50 | Mephs | generally determines how laggy it is |
| 20:42.04 | Mephs | thats such a major design flaw |
| 20:42.07 | DarkRevenant | the game speed slows down to accomodate the laggiest person, generally |
| 20:42.18 | DarkRevenant | if the laggy person is too laggy, then he is dropped |
| 20:42.19 | Mephs | HON doesn't work that way and it runs great |
| 20:42.26 | Mephs | i dont see why bliz would make it work like that |
| 20:42.30 | Mephs | on purpose |
| 20:42.41 | Mephs | multiplayer games should never try to sync everyone in a game |
| 20:42.47 | DarkRevenant | mephs |
| 20:42.49 | Mephs | but i imagine they didn't optimize it for custom maps |
| 20:42.49 | DarkRevenant | this is an RTS |
| 20:42.55 | Shawn|Rawr | I don't see how you can not have it that way.. people would drop like crazy |
| 20:42.56 | DarkRevenant | it's an authoritative server |
| 20:43.14 | DarkRevenant | a first person shooter is not entirely synced |
| 20:43.18 | Mephs | i know |
| 20:43.23 | DarkRevenant | and it's plagued with false hits, teleporting, etc |
| 20:43.28 | DarkRevenant | RTS can't have that |
| 20:43.30 | DarkRevenant | so yeah |
| 20:43.42 | Mephs | eh, more recent FPS have kind of overcome that problem |
| 20:43.49 | DarkRevenant | until we're all connected via direct fiber optic, it will be like that |
| 20:43.50 | Mephs | since like 2005 |
| 20:44.12 | DarkRevenant | FPS more recently capitalize on the fact that if you dont have a good connection, you die. good bye. you can't play. |
| 20:44.24 | Mephs | that problem doesn't happen in games like HON/LoL and those are RTS based games |
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| 20:44.29 | DarkRevenant | because enough people have broadband that they don't have to code it to accomodate slow connections |
| 20:44.36 | DarkRevenant | HON/LoL are NOT rts games |
| 20:44.46 | Mephs | they use the same mechanics as an RTS game though |
| 20:44.48 | DarkRevenant | the player, like in an FPS, controls one hero, generally |
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| 20:44.57 | DarkRevenant | leniancy in the server is possible |
| 20:45.08 | Mephs | there's quite frequently points where you can control other units tho |
| 20:45.15 | Mephs | there's a good number of micro chars thats can do that |
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| 20:45.26 | DarkRevenant | it's still |
| 20:45.28 | DarkRevenant | one group |
| 20:45.35 | Mephs | its not ._. |
| 20:45.45 | DarkRevenant | an RTS game needs global sync, LoL and HoN can be more lenient |
| 20:45.48 | DarkRevenant | that's all i'm saying |
| 20:46.03 | Mephs | the worst that can happen if an RTS game isn't globally synced |
| 20:46.08 | Mephs | is someone will put out less APM |
| 20:46.09 | Mephs | thats IT |
| 20:46.16 | DarkRevenant | uh, no |
| 20:46.18 | Mephs | if someone lags out |
| 20:46.26 | Mephs | yea you're gonna suddenly see their units kinda "pop" somewhere else |
| 20:46.30 | Mephs | or catch up |
| 20:46.34 | DarkRevenant | global sync is essential in a true RTS |
| 20:46.42 | DarkRevenant | because every action must be completely absolute |
| 20:46.50 | Mephs | tell that to the guys who made uh |
| 20:46.56 | DarkRevenant | it's basically a real time board game |
| 20:47.00 | Arthas- | I just found this in my torrent download map |
| 20:47.01 | Mephs | wtf was the name of it now |
| 20:47.02 | DarkRevenant | with rules that are rigid and unchanging |
| 20:47.20 | DarkRevenant | zero margin of error |
| 20:47.23 | Mephs | i played some demo RTS from steam |
| 20:47.23 | Arthas- | "High throughput gene expression analysis is becoming more and more important in many areas of biomedical research. cDNA microarray technology is one very promising approach for high throughput analysis and gives the opportunity to study gene expression patterns on a genomic scale." |
| 20:47.27 | Arthas- | Someone tell me, wtf is this |
| 20:47.33 | Mephs | but it didn't sync like that |
| 20:47.33 | Arthas- | How wasted were I when I dloaded this |
| 20:48.07 | DarkRevenant | arthas, that's probably how they did the human genome project |
| 20:48.16 | DarkRevenant | it's straightforward to me |
| 20:48.27 | DarkRevenant | and i dont even do biology |
| 20:48.32 | Arthas- | but wtf is it doing on my harddrive, with only 2 rars none the less |
| 20:48.49 | DarkRevenant | you downloaded something that looked like porn |
| 20:48.52 | DarkRevenant | instead is mind porn |
| 20:48.52 | Arthas- | hyarion you have something to do with this? |
| 20:48.59 | hyarion | yup |
| 20:49.03 | hyarion | wait what? |
| 20:49.23 | Arthas- | Genesis_v1.7.6.30.09.10_Linux-DIGERATI |
| 20:49.24 | Arthas- | :p |
| 20:49.24 | DarkRevenant | well, as far as my game goes |
| 20:49.27 | DarkRevenant | i carefully plan each step |
| 20:49.30 | DarkRevenant | i've made sure it plays well |
| 20:49.36 | hyarion | :P |
| 20:50.05 | DarkRevenant | most people dont have the patience to work on a map for over a month without being able to release it |
| 20:50.23 | DarkRevenant | fewer still can actually keep the vision cohesive for that long |
| 20:50.52 | DarkRevenant | i'm going for 2 months before a beta release |
| 20:51.01 | DarkRevenant | this is week... nearly 3 |
| 20:51.04 | DarkRevenant | well |
| 20:51.07 | Mephs | mine took 3 months |
| 20:51.07 | DarkRevenant | ON week 3 |
| 20:51.10 | DarkRevenant | nearly done with it |
| 20:51.21 | DarkRevenant | but i spend a lot of time on my stuff |
| 20:51.32 | DarkRevenant | however to meet those 2 months i need artists helping |
| 20:51.38 | DarkRevenant | i can't do textures or icons for shit |
| 20:51.45 | Mephs | then you realize ppl still rather play the maps that took 2 hrs to slap together |
| 20:51.51 | Mephs | gg! |
| 20:52.04 | DarkRevenant | those maps have a special something |
| 20:52.13 | DarkRevenant | you know how many 2 hour maps are out there? |
| 20:52.23 | Mephs | the innate ability to hold a retard's attention long enough to gain +1 pop? |
| 20:52.27 | DarkRevenant | chances are, one happens to be addictive and of a decent enough quality that people play it |
| 20:52.42 | DarkRevenant | doesnt mean an involved, high-effort map can't also do it |
| 20:52.49 | Mephs | generally |
| 20:52.52 | Mephs | if your map requires any thought |
| 20:52.53 | Mephs | skill |
| 20:52.55 | Mephs | or patience |
| 20:52.58 | Mephs | its not going to stay up |
| 20:53.07 | Mephs | unless you slap the word DotA on it |
| 20:53.19 | DarkRevenant | herp derp everyone's used WSAD before and everyone knows how to right click to move, like every other fucking map |
| 20:53.21 | DarkRevenant | click to shoot |
| 20:53.23 | DarkRevenant | OH SO HARD |
| 20:53.26 | Mephs | it doesn't matter |
| 20:53.27 | DarkRevenant | it's easy to just pick up |
| 20:53.31 | Mephs | if its relatively complex |
| 20:53.33 | DarkRevenant | since everything works just how it can |
| 20:53.35 | Mephs | in any way shape or form |
| 20:53.36 | Arthas- | DarkPrince arrows! |
| 20:53.38 | Mephs | its not stayin up |
| 20:53.40 | Arthas- | wasd is blasphemy |
| 20:53.53 | Mephs | look at teh top of the list |
| 20:53.54 | DarkRevenant | i mean seriously you just pick it up and you're killing people right away |
| 20:53.55 | Mephs | consistently |
| 20:53.59 | Mephs | nexus wars |
| 20:54.01 | Mephs | marine arena |
| 20:54.16 | Mephs | random shit TD someone threw together |
| 20:54.18 | Mephs | those are the maps ppl play |
| 20:54.20 | DarkRevenant | marine arena is actually fairly complex |
| 20:54.26 | Mephs | lol what |
| 20:54.47 | DarkRevenant | it takes more than one playthrough to learn enough to win, at least |
| 20:55.02 | Mephs | i won my first 3 games playing it and decided it was a shit map |
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| 20:55.08 | Mephs | and i had no clue what was going on |
| 20:55.18 | Mephs | other than my command center was popping out units like bunnies in heat |
| 20:55.48 | Mephs | so i did the logical sc2 thing and spammed the two most op units in the game and won :p |
| 20:56.26 | Mephs | i did that in nexus wars too and won a million games |
| 20:56.35 | Mephs | and every other tug game taht has marines and marauders |
| 20:56.48 | Mephs | they're games that cater to ADHD riddled 14 yr olds |
| 20:58.43 | DarkRevenant | last time i played marine arena it was more balanced than that |
| 20:58.45 | DarkRevenant | meh |
| 20:58.56 | Mephs | if you know how to exploit MMM in melee |
| 20:59.01 | Mephs | games like that are a joke lol |
| 20:59.02 | DarkRevenant | also the popularity list compounds the issue |
| 20:59.07 | Mephs | mainly yeah |
| 20:59.12 | DarkRevenant | normally a different crop of games would be popular without that system |
| 20:59.20 | Mephs | if you want to get a map to the top though |
| 20:59.24 | DarkRevenant | in wc3, elimination tournament was popular for a WHOLE YEAR |
| 20:59.28 | Mephs | name it "most popular map on BNet" |
| 20:59.28 | DarkRevenant | and it had a similar style to mine |
| 20:59.38 | Mephs | make it crash out after 5 min of play |
| 20:59.41 | Mephs | and make it single player |
| 20:59.44 | Mephs | tada, #1 map |
| 20:59.51 | DarkRevenant | i got a map in beta to the top 10 |
| 20:59.55 | DarkRevenant | simply because |
| 21:00.00 | DarkRevenant | that version crashed on loading |
| 21:00.04 | Mephs | lol yea |
| 21:00.08 | DarkRevenant | i noticed it within a few hours and made a new one |
| 21:00.09 | Mephs | its very easy to gimmick your way to the top |
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| 21:00.12 | DarkRevenant | but that version got to #8 |
| 21:00.18 | Mephs | in fact, i know a few TDs that only got up to page 1 |
| 21:00.24 | Mephs | by "accidentally" having a 5 min crash bug |
| 21:00.29 | IDEATH | gimmick? |
| 21:00.33 | Mephs | which was magically fixed once it hit page 1 |
| 21:00.47 | DarkRevenant | anyway |
| 21:00.55 | DarkRevenant | the approachability |
| 21:00.58 | DarkRevenant | makes or breaks a game |
| 21:01.00 | DarkRevenant | no matter what it is |
| 21:01.04 | Mephs | basically |
| 21:01.08 | DarkRevenant | it's supremely important and few mappers know it |
| 21:01.12 | DarkRevenant | the ones in the top20 list got LUCKY |
| 21:01.25 | Mephs | i had a bit of a cult following for my map |
| 21:01.27 | DarkRevenant | well |
| 21:01.30 | DarkRevenant | most mappers KNOW about it |
| 21:01.33 | Mephs | but i can't maintain it enough to keep it past page 3 |
| 21:01.34 | dOofuS | So, question: I've been looking to try using WASD movement in my map, and see that there are several methods of accomplishing this. Is there a better way to do this, or just multiple ways? |
| 21:01.36 | DarkRevenant | but few actually successfully follow up |
| 21:01.48 | DarkRevenant | doofus |
| 21:01.52 | Mephs | doofus: dont |
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| 21:01.56 | DarkRevenant | the most optimized method is |
| 21:01.57 | IDEATH | I dont think the popularity thing works right |
| 21:02.02 | DarkRevenant | one event for any key up |
| 21:02.04 | IDEATH | its dumb |
| 21:02.06 | DarkRevenant | one event for any key down |
| 21:02.08 | Mephs | it works |
| 21:02.20 | DarkRevenant | then do else if to change a variable for whether that key is up or down |
| 21:02.32 | IDEATH | nah... how are new maps supposed to get to the top? |
| 21:02.34 | DarkRevenant | then have the character periodically move in the direction of your keypresses constantly |
| 21:02.38 | dOofuS | So like, in this thread: http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/map-development/2421-best-way-to-code-wasd/ |
| 21:02.38 | DarkRevenant | the blizard pathing system handles the rest |
| 21:02.39 | dOofuS | ? |
| 21:02.55 | DarkRevenant | make sure the movement interval is JUST small enough to be able to run into cliffs and slide across angles |
| 21:02.56 | progammer | they have new update to the bnet forum |
| 21:02.58 | Mephs | IDEATH: you either put the word DotA in thee map |
| 21:03.07 | DarkRevenant | also |
| 21:03.08 | Mephs | or you start auto bumping it |
| 21:03.09 | DarkRevenant | to make it faster |
| 21:03.10 | DarkRevenant | make sure the unit |
| 21:03.12 | DarkRevenant | STARTS MOVING |
| 21:03.14 | Mephs | till its at least page 3 |
| 21:03.16 | DarkRevenant | immediately as you hit that key |
| 21:03.18 | Mephs | then ppl play it and take it from there |
| 21:03.19 | DarkRevenant | and STOPS MOVING |
| 21:03.22 | DarkRevenant | immediately after you let go |
| 21:03.35 | Mephs | oh and if your map requires more than 4 players |
| 21:03.45 | Mephs | it wont stay up without auto bumping it continuously |
| 21:03.56 | Mephs | or if games take longer than 10 min |
| 21:04.55 | dOofuS | So, I'm a little confused about the concept in general, I'm very new at this, and have a single unit in my map, I've added Camera - Lock camera mouse relative mode On for player 1 and Camera - Turn camera mouse rotation On for player 1 and then set the camera to follow a unit, is this the correct initial method? Or am I starting out wrong? |
| 21:05.02 | progammer | Mephs: there are easy mouse recorder to bump map |
| 21:05.11 | progammer | most map on the 1st are pumbed everyday |
| 21:05.15 | Mephs | yea i know |
| 21:05.27 | Mephs | i was bumping mine 24/7 to keep it on p2 |
| 21:05.36 | Mephs | soon as i stop it disappears |
| 21:05.48 | Mephs | but thats cuz its 10 player and most games take 20-30 min |
| 21:06.36 | Mephs | most randoms on bnet have the patience and attention span of a fucking cantaloupe |
| 21:06.43 | DarkRevenant | http://comclan.co.cc/maps/Battle%20Mages%20A.SC2Map |
| 21:06.55 | DarkRevenant | combined WSAD and mouse movement, isometric view |
| 21:06.58 | DarkRevenant | physics system |
| 21:07.06 | DarkRevenant | see it for examples on how to do such things |
| 21:07.32 | dOofuS | Alright, thank you! |
| 21:07.32 | DarkRevenant | wsad to move, r to reload |
| 21:07.32 | DarkRevenant | no interface yet |
| 21:07.32 | DarkRevenant | left to shoot |
| 21:07.32 | DarkRevenant | right to move (with pathfinding) |
| 21:07.32 | DarkRevenant | wsad to move (without pathfinding) |
| 21:07.32 | DarkRevenant | space jumps |
| 21:07.33 | IDEATH | Im having problems with my hero leveling up |
| 21:07.36 | DarkRevenant | control toggles spell mode |
| 21:07.39 | IDEATH | can someone help? |
| 21:07.41 | DarkRevenant | left while in spell mode shoots spell ofc |
| 21:07.50 | DarkRevenant | hold left to charge up the spell isntead of shoooting normally |
| 21:08.08 | DarkRevenant | mana regenerates, ammo does not |
| 21:08.16 | Mephs | out of sheer curiosity |
| 21:08.16 | DarkRevenant | no damage yet, no interface either |
| 21:08.29 | DarkRevenant | look at the triggers to see how evil physics can be |
| 21:10.03 | IDEATH | Im having problems with my hero leveling up can someone help me?? |
| 21:10.14 | Mephs | the spectres "skate" |
| 21:10.15 | DarkRevenant | stealing it won't be of use to you, btw, since it's unfinished |
| 21:10.23 | Mephs | and there's this really weird issue with the screen going nuts |
| 21:10.32 | Mephs | if i get anywhere near a cliff |
| 21:10.33 | DarkRevenant | there's no way around it until i add animations for strafing |
| 21:10.38 | DarkRevenant | wat |
| 21:10.42 | Mephs | yea |
| 21:10.43 | DarkRevenant | the screen remains level for me |
| 21:10.45 | Mephs | like flickering badly |
| 21:10.54 | DarkRevenant | you're the first to ever report that |
| 21:10.59 | DarkRevenant | FLICKERING |
| 21:11.01 | DarkRevenant | what |
| 21:11.07 | DarkRevenant | moving up and down, maybe but |
| 21:11.08 | DarkRevenant | FLICKERING |
| 21:11.08 | Mephs | flickering |
| 21:11.10 | DarkRevenant | what the fuck |
| 21:11.10 | Mephs | like |
| 21:11.13 | Mephs | refreshing |
| 21:11.25 | DarkRevenant | okay that's definitely your side |
| 21:11.29 | Mephs | doubt it |
| 21:11.29 | DarkRevenant | nobody has reported that before |
| 21:11.32 | DarkRevenant | even on my crap comp |
| 21:11.40 | Mephs | i'm runnin 2 460gtx SLI'd, and my rig's a beast |
| 21:11.46 | DarkRevenant | i've tested on a high end and a low end |
| 21:11.47 | Mephs | only custom map i've seen ever do this |
| 21:11.53 | DarkRevenant | with different game settings |
| 21:12.00 | DarkRevenant | and different screen resolutions |
| 21:12.05 | Mephs | it has something to do with your projectiles |
| 21:12.05 | DarkRevenant | nothing like that has happened before |
| 21:12.24 | DarkRevenant | i havent added camera code yet, to be fair |
| 21:12.29 | DarkRevenant | its just follow unit group right now |
| 21:12.29 | Mephs | another bug |
| 21:12.44 | Mephs | if i fire a projectile at an odd corner it bounces towards the other side of the cliff and goes through it |
| 21:12.52 | DarkRevenant | also cliff climbing is unavoidable because of blizz' art system |
| 21:13.07 | DarkRevenant | that's an artifact of the terrain normal |
| 21:13.17 | DarkRevenant | the terrain normal does not reflect the terrain art |
| 21:13.21 | DarkRevenant | it's more curved |
| 21:13.22 | Mephs | some projectiles go through the cliffs and ignore them |
| 21:13.28 | dOofuS | I got tearing too, but that's probably because I have my settings set to not vertical sync |
| 21:13.28 | Mephs | regardless |
| 21:13.37 | DarkRevenant | if they clip an edge, then it can happen |
| 21:13.43 | Mephs | :/ |
| 21:13.47 | DarkRevenant | i mean |
| 21:13.50 | Mephs | you could easily achieve this with DE |
| 21:13.51 | DarkRevenant | the art for the cliff |
| 21:13.56 | Mephs | and without the cliff bugging out like that |
| 21:13.59 | DarkRevenant | is NOT the art for the terrain normal |
| 21:14.21 | DarkRevenant | it works more exactly on the non-blizard-cliff section |
| 21:14.22 | Mephs | more than 90% of the projectiles are just climbing over all the cliffs on the map |
| 21:14.24 | DarkRevenant | the raised terrain stuff |
| 21:14.29 | Mephs | on both the raised terrain & cliffs i mean |
| 21:14.40 | Mephs | idk bout this physics engine |
| 21:14.42 | DarkRevenant | climbing over what do you mean |
| 21:14.49 | DarkRevenant | if you shoot at the cliff top, you shoot upwards |
| 21:14.54 | DarkRevenant | it will fly above the cliff and into the sky |
| 21:14.56 | Mephs | no |
| 21:15.00 | Mephs | i'm shooting directly in front of him |
| 21:15.03 | Mephs | not on a cliff |
| 21:15.05 | Mephs | its just climbing |
| 21:15.08 | Mephs | lol |
| 21:15.09 | DarkRevenant | it will ram into the cliff and bounce off |
| 21:15.18 | Mephs | yea after theyb ounce off |
| 21:15.21 | Mephs | they just scale anything |
| 21:15.30 | Mephs | and only like 1 out of 10 actually bounce |
| 21:15.33 | Mephs | some die on the cliff |
| 21:15.34 | Mephs | some bounce |
| 21:15.37 | Mephs | some just scale it |
| 21:15.46 | DarkRevenant | the projectiles can collide with each other |
| 21:15.55 | DarkRevenant | if you just shoot straight at a wall, they'll ram into each other |
| 21:16.02 | DarkRevenant | normally a weapon won't do that, though |
| 21:16.05 | DarkRevenant | its just to show the engine |
| 21:16.12 | Mephs | one just hanging in the air |
| 21:16.13 | Mephs | not moving |
| 21:16.14 | Mephs | lol |
| 21:16.18 | Mephs | this is a mess :/ |
| 21:16.20 | DarkRevenant | okay that shit never happened for me |
| 21:16.26 | DarkRevenant | nor anyone else who tested |
| 21:16.30 | Mephs | idk |
| 21:16.33 | DarkRevenant | perhaps that version has a line of code deleted |
| 21:16.35 | DarkRevenant | somewhere |
| 21:16.38 | Mephs | might be |
| 21:16.50 | DarkRevenant | one hanging in the air? that shouldnt even be POSSIBLE |
| 21:17.00 | DarkRevenant | is it the red battlecruiser shot? |
| 21:17.01 | Mephs | yea its just kinda chillin in the air |
| 21:17.02 | Mephs | twitching |
| 21:17.05 | Mephs | yea |
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| 21:17.08 | DarkRevenant | twitching. |
| 21:17.15 | Mephs | it dies if i walk into it |
| 21:17.17 | Mephs | lol |
| 21:17.19 | DarkRevenant | i've tested that map a hundred times and tried every way i could break it |
| 21:17.26 | Mephs | only one i've seen do that so far and i'm spamming the shots |
| 21:17.28 | DarkRevenant | never seen such a thing |
| 21:17.32 | nolliepoper__ | how change nickname? |
| 21:17.36 | Mephs | and yea i'm still getting that tearing problem |
| 21:17.40 | Mephs | flickering and whatnot |
| 21:17.52 | DarkRevenant | a camera system will avoid such things |
| 21:17.59 | DarkRevenant | i'm just using the blizz FOLLOW THE UNIT LOL thing right now |
| 21:18.06 | DarkRevenant | which could conceivably bug |
| 21:18.13 | Mephs | another thing |
| 21:18.19 | Mephs | if i click on a cliff |
| 21:18.24 | nolliepoper__ | mephs you can test map? |
| 21:18.27 | Mephs | and i'm underneath the cliff |
| 21:18.30 | Mephs | like right next to oit |
| 21:18.36 | Mephs | it just phases through the ground and towards the sky |
| 21:18.52 | Mephs | so i could shoot someone that's not in line of fire |
| 21:18.52 | DarkRevenant | that's not possible to avoid, really |
| 21:18.58 | Mephs | so like i said |
| 21:19.02 | Mephs | the sc2 engine sucks for this kind of thing. |
| 21:19.02 | DarkRevenant | cliff art, like in wc3 |
| 21:19.06 | DarkRevenant | does not match the normal |
| 21:19.15 | DarkRevenant | which is why i would typically use the terrain raised cliffs |
| 21:19.17 | DarkRevenant | not the blizzard ones |
| 21:19.20 | Mephs | if i click on the other side of the cliff it goes through the cliff too |
| 21:19.34 | Mephs | needs a lot of work :/ |
| 21:19.38 | DarkRevenant | can be avoided through tweaking though |
| 21:19.44 | DarkRevenant | work won't fix cliff clipping |
| 21:19.56 | Mephs | so why are you trying to do this in sc2 editor again? .-. |
| 21:20.05 | DarkRevenant | did you even try the spell mode stuff |
| 21:20.05 | Mephs | i think the extra time a standalone project would require |
| 21:20.09 | Mephs | would be a lot easier |
| 21:20.13 | nolliepoper__ | mephs you can test with me? |
| 21:20.14 | DarkRevenant | like shooting those gravity-affected balls |
| 21:20.19 | Mephs | than trying to work around this shitty engine to do this |
| 21:20.22 | Mephs | how do i go spell mode? |
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| 21:20.32 | DarkRevenant | listen, a self-made map |
| 21:20.34 | DarkRevenant | game* |
| 21:20.37 | Mephs | i KNOW |
| 21:20.39 | DarkRevenant | would look like shit |
| 21:20.39 | dOofuS | So, I imported a library for the WASD movement, and it tells me to change the library ID to WASD or I'll get syntax errors. When I attempt to change the library ID, I can only change it if I check shared ID, and when I attempt to input WASD into the Four Character option, the Okay button becomes unclickable. What am I doing wrong? |
| 21:20.39 | Mephs | what a self-made game takes |
| 21:20.50 | DarkRevenant | i dont have access to a world-class graphics engine |
| 21:20.53 | DarkRevenant | unless i really like UE3 |
| 21:20.55 | Mephs | but when you are working on developing a map for the sc2 engine |
| 21:20.58 | Mephs | you really really really |
| 21:20.59 | nolliepoper__ | D0ofus |
| 21:21.02 | Mephs | oh |
| 21:21.05 | Mephs | DR use OGRE |
| 21:21.11 | Mephs | its open source and its fucking amazing for an OS engine |
| 21:21.30 | dOofuS | Nolliepoper_ |
| 21:21.31 | DarkRevenant | also, a true game |
| 21:21.35 | nolliepoper__ | you |
| 21:21.37 | DarkRevenant | takes a fuckton more time than a sc2 map |
| 21:21.40 | Mephs | i know |
| 21:21.42 | nolliepoper__ | can test a map with me for 1 minute? |
| 21:21.45 | nolliepoper__ | D0ofus |
| 21:21.46 | Mephs | but you have the freedom you seek |
| 21:21.50 | Mephs | and no limitations of the shitty sc editor |
| 21:21.53 | DarkRevenant | i still do |
| 21:21.53 | Mephs | also |
| 21:21.56 | Gohla | Ogre is just a graphics engine :p |
| 21:21.58 | dOofuS | What map? |
| 21:22.10 | Mephs | Gohla: the graphics engine is the annoying part of putting a game together :p |
| 21:22.16 | nolliepoper__ | One I worked on alot |
| 21:22.21 | nolliepoper__ | simple test |
| 21:22.26 | nolliepoper__ | Going to release it public today |
| 21:22.27 | Mephs | i made this in 3 days using OGRE, its just a basis but its basically a fully working game engine |
| 21:22.27 | Gohla | Not really, there's a whole looooot more |
| 21:22.51 | Gohla | Working on what? |
| 21:23.05 | Mephs | http://www.youtube.com/Mephs11#p/u/5/ww4evmban5M |
| 21:23.08 | Gohla | I've spend about half a year and my engine is still not done :P |
| 21:23.11 | Mephs | tactical RPG engine |
| 21:23.18 | Mephs | 2d sprites on 3d landscape |
| 21:23.23 | Mephs | of course the art would be the most time consuming part |
| 21:23.30 | Mephs | but this much only took 3 days using OGRE to put together |
| 21:24.23 | Gohla | Thats pretty nice for 3 days |
| 21:24.29 | DarkRevenant | i'd rather use UDK than that |
| 21:24.33 | DarkRevenant | tbh |
| 21:24.35 | Mephs | well consider |
| 21:24.44 | Mephs | i made the map in fucking |
| 21:24.46 | Mephs | google sketchup |
| 21:24.48 | Mephs | with no lighting |
| 21:24.48 | Gohla | If you want to make a game, use UDK, if you want to make a game and your own engine, don't :P |
| 21:24.49 | Mephs | XD |
| 21:25.07 | Gohla | I always end up making a huge engine when trying to make a game :P |
| 21:25.08 | Mephs | but yeah if you want a full on game engine alredy bulit for you |
| 21:25.14 | Mephs | i was trying to make my own game engine is the point |
| 21:25.24 | Mephs | and pathfinding, traversal, map gridding all done in 3 days |
| 21:25.37 | Mephs | i also had to make the sprites actually work and turn with the map |
| 21:25.46 | Gohla | But there's a whole lot more to an engine than just that, but I guess an rts is a bit simpler |
| 21:25.46 | Mephs | you'll notice they rotate accurately when you turn the map with right click-turn |
| 21:26.05 | DarkRevenant | in other words |
| 21:26.13 | DarkRevenant | it's a grid-based myth 2 |
| 21:26.27 | Mephs | well it was going to be an online FFT type of game |
| 21:26.41 | Mephs | i still have the source on my old comp |
| 21:27.10 | Mephs | i was more afraid of the networking part of it tbqh |
| 21:27.12 | Mephs | the rest is fairly easy |
| 21:27.18 | Mephs | aside finding someone to make the sprite art |
| 21:27.32 | Gohla | 15Mephs: use http://www.jenkinssoftware.com/ to make networking easy :P |
| 21:27.38 | Mephs | tho a turn based tactics game is really easy to make netcode for |
| 21:27.42 | Mephs | since you dont need real-time updates |
| 21:27.45 | Mephs | necessarily |
| 21:28.19 | Mephs | yea i was looking at raknet |
| 21:28.27 | Mephs | that's actually all done in C# |
| 21:28.32 | Mephs | why it only took 3 days :3 |
| 21:28.47 | Mephs | with Lua integrated |
| 21:29.03 | Mephs | http://www.youtube.com/Mephs11#p/u/6/eWo9-YSoCLk <-- Lua integration and scripting |
| 21:29.04 | Gohla | RakNet has recently added C# bindings i think |
| 21:29.07 | Mephs | yah |
| 21:29.11 | Mephs | thats why i was looking at it! |
| 21:29.26 | Mephs | but C# already provides a lot of Tcp socket control so idk if its really necessary |
| 21:29.47 | nicoli_s | C# is so great |
| 21:29.47 | Gohla | It has a really nice game object replication system |
| 21:29.58 | Gohla | Nah, C++ ftw ;) |
| 21:30.04 | Mephs | pff |
| 21:30.08 | nicoli_s | no way man, C# > C++ for doing simple games |
| 21:30.15 | Mephs | C++ is for ppl who like spending 10 more years on something than they need to |
| 21:30.18 | Gohla | true |
| 21:30.34 | Gohla | Just don't make a game engine in C# :P |
| 21:30.34 | nicoli_s | i did years of C++(wow emu servers) and i like C# alot more for game dev stuff |
| 21:30.40 | nicoli_s | XNA is so easy to use |
| 21:30.47 | Mephs | unless you writing a high end graphics engine or really memory intensive server code |
| 21:30.47 | nicoli_s | and yer game works on pc and 360 |
| 21:30.54 | Mephs | C++ is prehistoric at this point |
| 21:30.58 | Mephs | and yea @ nicoli |
| 21:31.08 | Gohla | 15Mephs: without C++ you wouldn't be making a game right now :P |
| 21:31.12 | Mephs | yah i know :p |
| 21:31.15 | Mephs | like I SAID |
| 21:31.16 | nicoli_s | as far as im concerned, anything that needs a library for regexes is ancient :P |
| 21:31.20 | Mephs | for the vast majority of us |
| 21:31.24 | Mephs | who dont need to waste time building the engine |
| 21:31.27 | Gohla | 15nicoli_s: use C++0x :P |
| 21:31.28 | Mephs | C# is awesome |
| 21:31.51 | Mephs | tahs why you see "UNREAL ENGINE" in like 90% of games |
| 21:31.59 | Mephs | why teh fuck reinvent the wheel |
| 21:31.59 | Gohla | 15Mephs: yeah that's where it's for, but most of the major game development is being done in C++ |
| 21:32.10 | Mephs | thats cuz in the high end game development world |
| 21:32.15 | Mephs | everyone is trying to be cutting edge |
| 21:32.21 | Mephs | but once you get the graphics engine down |
| 21:32.27 | Mephs | you either do the rest in script |
| 21:32.30 | Mephs | or something like C# |
| 21:32.33 | Mephs | or a high lvl language |
| 21:32.40 | Mephs | shit C++ might as well be low lvl language nowadays lol |
| 21:33.04 | Gohla | It's in between :P |
| 21:33.53 | Mephs | but generally the development process of a game |
| 21:33.58 | Mephs | either build an engine or buy an engine |
| 21:34.11 | Mephs | develop editing tools |
| 21:34.18 | Mephs | and script your ass off |
| 21:34.21 | Gohla | and make shitloads of content |
| 21:34.22 | Mephs | most of the work is in the art department |
| 21:34.40 | Mephs | 3d modelling, building the actual world is the hardest part |
| 21:34.47 | nicoli_s | i miss 3d modelling |
| 21:34.49 | Mephs | not necessarily the actual programming. look at the credits for sc2 |
| 21:34.51 | Mephs | there's like what |
| 21:34.53 | Mephs | 5 programmers on the team |
| 21:35.14 | Gohla | Thats why I'm making more of an engine kind of thing, programmers art ftl :P |
| 21:35.15 | DarkRevenant | okay just tested the version i gave you |
| 21:35.27 | Mephs | yea |
| 21:35.28 | DarkRevenant | i seriously cannot confirm the errors you got |
| 21:35.30 | Mephs | thats the only thing i like about sc2 |
| 21:35.32 | DarkRevenant | and iwas TRYING to break it |
| 21:35.34 | Mephs | all the models and art are done :p |
| 21:36.29 | DarkRevenant | it's loosely possible that the errors are from localization |
| 21:36.31 | DarkRevenant | are you US |
| 21:36.40 | Mephs | yea |
| 21:36.44 | DarkRevenant | guess not then |
| 21:36.50 | DarkRevenant | i have no idea why it didnt work for you |
| 21:36.58 | DarkRevenant | i tried everything to reproduce your problems and it never happened |
| 21:37.08 | DarkRevenant | did you test the spell mode? |
| 21:37.10 | DarkRevenant | control key |
| 21:37.10 | ProzaicMuze | FYI |
| 21:37.18 | ProzaicMuze | all 5 of those programmers on the credits are retarded |
| 21:37.22 | Mephs | lmao |
| 21:37.24 | ProzaicMuze | because their editor suks |
| 21:37.32 | ProzaicMuze | I'd be a better programmer than all of them combined |
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| 21:37.35 | ProzaicMuze | and I hate code |
| 21:37.42 | Mephs | considering the nightmare it probably is to implement something to freely edit their own code |
| 21:37.47 | Mephs | its not half bad |
| 21:37.49 | Gohla | I think they shouldn't have reused the W3 stuff and just hired more programmers :P |
| 21:37.53 | Mephs | considerring how MUCH control it has |
| 21:38.06 | ProzaicMuze | Not really |
| 21:38.12 | ProzaicMuze | when you consider that many other games have editors |
| 21:38.20 | DarkRevenant | it's also possible that you have an older sc2 ver, though unlikely |
| 21:38.25 | ProzaicMuze | And in most cases do thje same and more, it's not that big a deal to make this kind of editor |
| 21:38.36 | DarkRevenant | it's also possible that the map was somehow corrupted when yo ugot it, also unlikely |
| 21:38.40 | Mephs | it is if you make it poorly integrated with your engine |
| 21:38.44 | ProzaicMuze | Essentially it's just releasing the tools they actually use vs releasing the game plus a watered down version of the dev tools. |
| 21:38.58 | Mephs | well also consider |
| 21:39.05 | Mephs | the game engine is built for strictly an RTS |
| 21:39.12 | Mephs | they didn't really try to cater to anything else |
| 21:39.27 | Mephs | so thats why i laugh at ppl trying to make these games that step outside the bounds of an RTS or action RTS game |
| 21:39.35 | Mephs | its just NOT built to work with that |
| 21:39.38 | Mephs | or work that way |
| 21:39.44 | Mephs | they just dont have the capability to make it easily implementable |
| 21:39.48 | Mephs | in the editor |
| 21:39.49 | DarkRevenant | i don't really care |
| 21:39.56 | DarkRevenant | i'm doing this out of enjoyment, really |
| 21:40.03 | Mephs | yea i see what you're trying to accomplish |
| 21:40.07 | DarkRevenant | if i can destroy those bounds, then whatever |
| 21:40.09 | Mephs | and for what its worth, its not bad |
| 21:40.21 | Mephs | but its going to be a royal PITA nightmare to pull it off |
| 21:40.24 | Mephs | and make it fluid |
| 21:40.28 | ProzaicMuze | I have no idea what you're trying to accomplish |
| 21:40.31 | DarkRevenant | mephs, i dont know why you had those problems |
| 21:40.31 | ProzaicMuze | so I'm just goign to say it sucks |
| 21:40.34 | DarkRevenant | i couldn't reproduce them |
| 21:40.36 | ProzaicMuze | and save you time and heartache |
| 21:40.39 | DarkRevenant | maybe your luck was just awful |
| 21:40.44 | DarkRevenant | or maybe we both need to go online |
| 21:40.48 | DarkRevenant | to show me how you managed to reproduce it |
| 21:40.50 | Mephs | idk |
| 21:40.54 | Mephs | i'm just telling you what i saw |
| 21:41.01 | Mephs | if it happens to me and that other g uy who tried it |
| 21:41.09 | Mephs | statistically 2/7 ppl are going to have an issue |
| 21:41.13 | Mephs | :3 |
| 21:41.18 | DarkRevenant | possiblethe server i uploaded it to corrupted |
| 21:41.25 | Mephs | idk |
| 21:41.29 | Mephs | i've NEVER had a custom map flicker like that |
| 21:41.30 | DarkRevenant | but a corrupted map's likelyhood of even opening |
| 21:41.32 | DarkRevenant | is very slim |
| 21:41.35 | Mephs | yea |
| 21:41.37 | Mephs | it wouldn't have even run |
| 21:41.43 | Mephs | it only happened when i fired projectiles |
| 21:41.44 | DarkRevenant | mephs i dont do anything that's particularly different than other maps |
| 21:41.50 | DarkRevenant | so corruption is a possibility |
| 21:41.53 | DarkRevenant | when you. |
| 21:41.54 | DarkRevenant | FIRED |
| 21:41.56 | DarkRevenant | the projectile |
| 21:41.57 | Mephs | except using 10000-degree arrays? :p |
| 21:42.00 | DarkRevenant | the moment you fired |
| 21:42.03 | Mephs | i dont know many maps that do that! |
| 21:42.07 | Mephs | if any! |
| 21:42.09 | DarkRevenant | actually its array size 1000 |
| 21:42.14 | Mephs | w/e |
| 21:42.14 | DarkRevenant | and there's about 20 of them |
| 21:42.19 | Mephs | thats still a lot |
| 21:42.19 | DarkRevenant | standard issue, really |
| 21:42.35 | DarkRevenant | its only a problem when you have 1000x1000x1000 total, then you get |
| 21:42.37 | DarkRevenant | memory issues |
| 21:42.43 | Mephs | it also felt like the projectiles were extremely sluggish |
| 21:42.44 | ProzaicMuze | 20 size 1000 arrays? |
| 21:42.52 | DarkRevenant | but this laptop has 2gb and is fine up to like 150 projectiles without a semblance of lag |
| 21:42.59 | DarkRevenant | well mephs that partially due to the art |
| 21:43.07 | DarkRevenant | and the slow speed i gave them |
| 21:43.09 | Mephs | and thats on a dual 460gtx i7 920 w/ 6g memory |
| 21:43.09 | DarkRevenant | i can up the speed to just about anything |
| 21:43.20 | Mephs | i mean the whole game became sluggish |
| 21:43.23 | ProzaicMuze | things the two of you are mumbling about ghey porn |
| 21:43.25 | Mephs | whenever 1 projectile was on the map |
| 21:43.25 | DarkRevenant | wat |
| 21:43.26 | ProzaicMuze | thinks8 |
| 21:43.30 | ProzaicMuze | thinks***************************************** |
| 21:43.30 | Mephs | at least 1. |
| 21:43.35 | DarkRevenant | mephs how in the crap can that happen |
| 21:43.38 | Mephs | idk |
| 21:43.44 | DarkRevenant | when it runs like butter on my fucking 5600+ at home |
| 21:43.48 | Mephs | but i generally conclude that if it runs like shit on my rig |
| 21:43.56 | Mephs | something's up |
| 21:43.58 | DarkRevenant | the |
| 21:43.59 | ProzaicMuze | Here |
| 21:44.01 | ProzaicMuze | gimme the map |
| 21:44.04 | DarkRevenant | projectile runs at a 1/16 interval |
| 21:44.04 | ProzaicMuze | I have a better rig than both of you |
| 21:44.08 | ProzaicMuze | if it lags on mine |
| 21:44.09 | ProzaicMuze | it's the map |
| 21:44.11 | DarkRevenant | on fastest its 25fps |
| 21:44.14 | DarkRevenant | forthe projectile |
| 21:44.19 | ProzaicMuze | if it doesn't lag, then I keep the map |
| 21:44.24 | DarkRevenant | the player, prozaic, also slows to 50% speed |
| 21:44.26 | DarkRevenant | when firing |
| 21:44.29 | DarkRevenant | it's the recoil system |
| 21:44.32 | DarkRevenant | you can't sprint and gun, after all |
| 21:44.33 | Mephs | i can run ff14 @ 60 fps with no dips, and that game's reqs are retarded |
| 21:44.39 | Mephs | not to mention the game is poorly optimized |
| 21:44.43 | ProzaicMuze | Dark, I still have no idea what you rmap is about |
| 21:44.47 | ProzaicMuze | so that means absolutely nothing to me |
| 21:44.48 | DarkRevenant | http://comclan.co.cc/maps/Battle%20Mages%20A.SC2Map |
| 21:44.49 | Mephs | if i can't run an sc2 map |
| 21:44.51 | Mephs | its the map |
| 21:44.56 | DarkRevenant | mephs |
| 21:44.59 | DarkRevenant | what's your normal fps range |
| 21:45.04 | Mephs | on a custom map? |
| 21:45.09 | DarkRevenant | yep |
| 21:45.11 | Mephs | 60 |
| 21:45.14 | DarkRevenant | cap it to monitor refresh rate |
| 21:45.16 | DarkRevenant | yeah |
| 21:45.18 | DarkRevenant | same here |
| 21:45.26 | DarkRevenant | i get tearing just because i dont have vsync on |
| 21:45.28 | DarkRevenant | but thats on every map |
| 21:45.34 | Mephs | i never have vsync on |
| 21:45.41 | Mephs | and it has never teared on any map yet |
| 21:45.44 | DarkRevenant | it's more noticeable in mine |
| 21:45.45 | Mephs | or flickered |
| 21:45.52 | DarkRevenant | because the camera DOES move up and down in z axis |
| 21:45.55 | DarkRevenant | to keep up with terrain height |
| 21:46.11 | DarkRevenant | flickering... i don't even know how that's possible, but it would be cool if you quickly frapsed something |
| 21:46.15 | Mephs | again |
| 21:46.24 | Mephs | the problem is going to show its ugly face when you have 10+ ppl on the map at once |
| 21:46.35 | ProzaicMuze | wtf. . . |
| 21:46.39 | DarkRevenant | mephs there are checks in place |
| 21:46.47 | DarkRevenant | i've tried the game with a gun that shoots a ridiculous amount of projectiles |
| 21:46.51 | DarkRevenant | just to test how far it will go |
| 21:46.54 | DarkRevenant | i'll continue those tests now |
| 21:47.02 | DarkRevenant | since the engine has changed since then |
| 21:47.02 | ProzaicMuze | I've got flickering too |
| 21:47.06 | DarkRevenant | wat. |
| 21:47.09 | Mephs | :/ |
| 21:47.13 | DarkRevenant | okay that map might be corrupted |
| 21:47.17 | ProzaicMuze | Nah |
| 21:47.21 | Mephs | if it was even slightly corrupted |
| 21:47.24 | Mephs | it wouldn't even load in the editor |
| 21:47.28 | DarkRevenant | i'll dl it and do a check |
| 21:47.29 | ProzaicMuze | Also, my camera is now broken |
| 21:47.29 | Mephs | or load in the test launch |
| 21:47.33 | ProzaicMuze | it's wandering aimlessly |
| 21:47.47 | ProzaicMuze | It detached from the unit and just wandered off |
| 21:47.48 | ProzaicMuze | But |
| 21:47.50 | DarkRevenant | prozaic i don't even |
| 21:47.54 | ProzaicMuze | the flickering |
| 21:47.56 | Mephs | the camera thing |
| 21:47.59 | Mephs | try ctrl shift f |
| 21:47.59 | ProzaicMuze | How are you hiding the UI? |
| 21:48.01 | DarkRevenant | http://comclan.co.cc/maps/Battle%20Mages%20A.SC2Map lets dl it for me now |
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| 21:48.23 | Mephs | the flickering is related to the projectile |
| 21:48.27 | Mephs | look at the triggers for that shit |
| 21:48.36 | DarkRevenant | mephs |
| 21:48.37 | ProzaicMuze | aha |
| 21:48.38 | DarkRevenant | i did |
| 21:48.38 | ProzaicMuze | mmk |
| 21:48.42 | DarkRevenant | no flickering |
| 21:48.46 | ProzaicMuze | I got it so where it flickers forever |
| 21:48.47 | DarkRevenant | i'm trying to compare |
| 21:48.49 | ProzaicMuze | let me show you |
| 21:48.52 | DarkRevenant | the one on the server |
| 21:48.59 | DarkRevenant | to what i've got loaded in the editor on my side |
| 21:48.59 | Mephs | even still |
| 21:48.59 | ProzaicMuze | It has nothing to do with projectiles |
| 21:49.10 | Mephs | look at the fucking triggers for this shit o_O |
| 21:49.15 | Mephs | you really think this is going to be stable |
| 21:49.17 | Mephs | with 10 ppl |
| 21:49.23 | ProzaicMuze | Actually, it'll take forever to show you this |
| 21:49.26 | ProzaicMuze | and I doubt it would work well |
| 21:49.27 | ProzaicMuze | essentially |
| 21:49.30 | ProzaicMuze | take your red guy |
| 21:49.38 | ProzaicMuze | and run down directly beneath the bottom green guy |
| 21:49.42 | ProzaicMuze | assuming the colors are the same always |
| 21:49.42 | ProzaicMuze | if not |
| 21:49.46 | ProzaicMuze | bottom 2 guys |
| 21:49.56 | ProzaicMuze | walk directly south of right guy |
| 21:50.01 | ProzaicMuze | the screen starts to flicker |
| 21:50.13 | Mephs | it happens in a few places |
| 21:50.22 | Mephs | next to some cliffs |
| 21:50.27 | Mephs | is where i found it to be the worst |
| 21:50.36 | ProzaicMuze | Yeah, but this was the first one it always flickered that I found |
| 21:50.36 | ProzaicMuze | and it's not projectile related |
| 21:50.41 | DarkRevenant | let me test that dled version |
| 21:50.42 | ProzaicMuze | It's as if you have an object in the sky that directly overlaps the camera |
| 21:50.44 | Mephs | i figured it was |
| 21:50.50 | Mephs | cuz if i fired a projectil sometimes it would start flickering |
| 21:50.51 | DarkRevenant | and do what you did |
| 21:50.51 | Griffith`` | i really dont understand how an insanely gay map like marine like wars gets to page 1 |
| 21:50.58 | ProzaicMuze | I had this kind of flickering when I made a vid for Progammer's starmovie thing |
| 21:51.00 | Griffith`` | marine line wars* |
| 21:51.18 | Mephs | because retarded games cater to retards which make up the large majority of bnet |
| 21:51.31 | Griffith`` | is blizzard even planning on fixing customs? |
| 21:51.37 | Mephs | a fucking 2 hr map won the goddamn contest for crying out loud |
| 21:51.42 | Mephs | (took 2 hrs to make) |
| 21:51.45 | Griffith`` | lol |
| 21:51.48 | ProzaicMuze | mmk |
| 21:51.49 | ProzaicMuze | so |
| 21:51.53 | Griffith`` | one of the featured ones is in spanish |
| 21:51.54 | Griffith`` | or something |
| 21:52.01 | Mephs | every featuerd map to date has sucked balls |
| 21:52.02 | Griffith`` | how do you get featured anyways? |
| 21:52.10 | Mephs | i dont think they have any credentials or ever actually PLAY these maps |
| 21:52.10 | ProzaicMuze | Right now the flickering continues until you fire |
| 21:52.14 | Mephs | yea ^ |
| 21:52.18 | ProzaicMuze | then it doesn't flicker, regardless of how many times you shoot |
| 21:52.25 | ProzaicMuze | until your clip is empty |
| 21:52.28 | ProzaicMuze | and then a few seconds after that |
| 21:52.53 | nolliepoper__ | Mephs what type of games do you like? |
| 21:52.58 | DarkRevenant | try spell mode |
| 21:53.02 | DarkRevenant | control key |
| 21:53.21 | DarkRevenant | also is it like a total flicker like |
| 21:53.25 | Mephs | skill-based reactionary, etc. |
| 21:53.27 | DarkRevenant | the camera gets covered up on some |
| 21:53.30 | DarkRevenant | random color or something |
| 21:53.36 | DarkRevenant | then back to game |
| 21:53.38 | DarkRevenant | in one frame |
| 21:53.46 | ProzaicMuze | total black to game to black |
| 21:53.50 | ProzaicMuze | with tearign on the edges |
| 21:53.55 | DarkRevenant | well |
| 21:53.56 | ProzaicMuze | spell mode works fine |
| 21:53.59 | ProzaicMuze | no flickering |
| 21:54.04 | DarkRevenant | my laptop, having an integrated chip |
| 21:54.07 | DarkRevenant | flickers on any 3d game |
| 21:54.07 | ProzaicMuze | I only get flickering when I have an empty clip |
| 21:54.13 | DarkRevenant | including non-sc2 games |
| 21:54.26 | ProzaicMuze | and then it randomly starts flickering after at least a few seconds past that |
| 21:54.26 | DarkRevenant | also that version quite possibly could have something wrong with it |
| 21:54.35 | DarkRevenant | i uploaded it while someone was using microwave |
| 21:54.40 | DarkRevenant | via wifi |
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| 21:55.02 | DarkRevenant | but yeah i think my screen did flicker once, but only on that version |
| 21:55.21 | DarkRevenant | but somethign like |
| 21:55.26 | DarkRevenant | screen flickering |
| 21:55.33 | DarkRevenant | having it be DIFFERENT FOR EACH PLAYER |
| 21:55.52 | DarkRevenant | suggests an underlying fault with the game itself rather than the map |
| 21:56.06 | DarkRevenant | because tehre are no camera controls in the map |
| 21:56.16 | Mephs | the first mistake a developer can make is assume its not his fault |
| 21:56.23 | Mephs | critical mistake* |
| 21:56.30 | DarkRevenant | i might have understood flickering during a jump |
| 21:56.33 | DarkRevenant | or knockback |
| 21:56.39 | DarkRevenant | but... reloading and shooting? |
| 21:56.44 | DarkRevenant | the code doesn't even go there |
| 21:56.50 | DarkRevenant | time to do a hash check |
| 21:56.57 | DarkRevenant | to confirm if it's actually corrupted |
| 21:58.58 | DarkRevenant | oh dear this laptop doesnt have a suitable program... gotta dl one |
| 21:59.36 | DarkRevenant | another thing is video drivers |
| 21:59.42 | DarkRevenant | this is an integrated chip on the laptop |
| 21:59.48 | Mephs | i'm using the latest beta drivers |
| 21:59.48 | DarkRevenant | at home i use ATi |
| 21:59.56 | Mephs | but thats still the only map i've ever had flickering on |
| 22:00.02 | DarkRevenant | mephs is nvidia |
| 22:00.06 | DarkRevenant | what about prozaic |
| 22:00.06 | Mephs | ya |
| 22:00.21 | DarkRevenant | if prozaic, it might possibly be an nvidia-specific thing |
| 22:00.28 | DarkRevenant | if hes nvidia as well |
| 22:00.30 | ProzaicMuze | I'm nvidia as well |
| 22:00.32 | ProzaicMuze | But that wouldnt' be it |
| 22:00.35 | DarkRevenant | its possible that allmy testers so far were ati |
| 22:00.37 | DarkRevenant | let me chekc |
| 22:00.55 | ProzaicMuze | I have never experienced flickering in the game like I did with this map |
| 22:01.01 | ProzaicMuze | outside of the one instance with progammer |
| 22:01.13 | ProzaicMuze | where two overlapping objects caused the screen to flicker (because it took up the entire screen) |
| 22:01.19 | ProzaicMuze | Also, I don't update drivers on purpose |
| 22:01.28 | DarkRevenant | and since my map does nothing special with the camera |
| 22:01.29 | ProzaicMuze | I use a stable driver from a while back |
| 22:01.31 | DarkRevenant | it makes me wonder |
| 22:01.35 | DarkRevenant | just how in the fuck this happened |
| 22:01.48 | DarkRevenant | since i can't reproduce it |
| 22:01.51 | Mephs | that other guy |
| 22:01.57 | Mephs | you showed it to said the same thing |
| 22:02.00 | Mephs | so 3 of us have flickering |
| 22:02.03 | Mephs | its very likely a lot of ppl will have it |
| 22:02.12 | DarkRevenant | it may be the map |
| 22:02.18 | DarkRevenant | specifically that file |
| 22:02.24 | DarkRevenant | let me do hash check on original |
| 22:02.55 | DarkRevenant | 79231CD0688EBC50505A6F665B8B1ACF *Battle Mages A.SC2Map |
| 22:03.24 | DarkRevenant | 79231CD0688EBC50505A6F665B8B1ACF *Battle Mages A.SC2Map |
| 22:03.28 | DarkRevenant | yep the same file |
| 22:03.34 | DarkRevenant | of course corruption was highly unlikely to begin with |
| 22:03.51 | ProzaicMuze | important note |
| 22:03.55 | ProzaicMuze | the terrain is what disappears |
| 22:04.00 | ProzaicMuze | the units remain on top of the black |
| 22:04.02 | DarkRevenant | . |
| 22:04.03 | DarkRevenant | what |
| 22:04.12 | DarkRevenant | how |
| 22:04.13 | DarkRevenant | the fuck |
| 22:04.16 | DarkRevenant | do you even do that? |
| 22:04.17 | ProzaicMuze | When it flickers, the terrain goes completely black, all the assets are fine on top of it |
| 22:04.29 | ProzaicMuze | And as far as FPS, SC2 says I have 200+ FPS |
| 22:04.30 | DarkRevenant | okay it's GOT to be a graphics engine problem |
| 22:04.39 | ProzaicMuze | fraps says I dip as low as 65 FPS but no lower |
| 22:05.01 | DarkRevenant | on my other comp i've got a solid 60fps throughout |
| 22:05.07 | DarkRevenant | unless there's over 200 projectiles running around |
| 22:05.13 | DarkRevenant | but that's impossible with just 1 player with that gun |
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| 22:06.42 | DarkRevenant | look at the code for a sec |
| 22:06.50 | DarkRevenant | how in the crap can the TERRAIN disappear |
| 22:07.04 | Mephs | ripley's believe it or not. |
| 22:07.06 | Mephs | its happening |
| 22:07.09 | DarkRevenant | what is this i don't even |
| 22:07.19 | progammer | progammer: which map you mentioned earlier cause flicker |
| 22:07.20 | progammer | ? |
| 22:07.24 | progammer | ProzaicMuze: |
| 22:07.32 | ProzaicMuze | Your starmovie |
| 22:07.35 | ProzaicMuze | I had the camera at the wrong angle |
| 22:07.38 | progammer | geez i started to not like ppl with my same name |
| 22:07.40 | ProzaicMuze | and it caused two objects to overlap |
| 22:07.53 | ProzaicMuze | Wasn't th emap, it was my bad |
| 22:08.02 | DarkRevenant | progammer |
| 22:08.02 | progammer | oh there are 2 unit, the actual screen |
| 22:08.04 | DarkRevenant | what vidcard do you have |
| 22:08.07 | progammer | and the overlay background |
| 22:08.27 | DarkRevenant | http://comclan.co.cc/maps/Battle%20Mages%20A.SC2map |
| 22:08.35 | progammer | mine was onboard |
| 22:08.40 | progammer | is that the same map last time |
| 22:08.44 | progammer | i have no flickering |
| 22:08.59 | ProzaicMuze | did you let it just stand still? |
| 22:09.01 | ProzaicMuze | for a while? |
| 22:09.11 | ZarafFaraz | sup guys |
| 22:09.18 | DarkRevenant | progammer, the lynchpin is your vidcard |
| 22:09.21 | DarkRevenant | what's your vidcard |
| 22:09.53 | progammer | what's the lynchpin |
| 22:09.54 | progammer | im lost there |
| 22:09.58 | ProzaicMuze | lol |
| 22:10.00 | ProzaicMuze | it's the triggers |
| 22:10.08 | ProzaicMuze | I just deleted them all |
| 22:10.11 | LordAbyss | eww its ProzaicMuze |
| 22:10.11 | ProzaicMuze | problem solved |
| 22:10.21 | DarkRevenant | no really |
| 22:10.22 | ProzaicMuze | gonna restart it and toss one by one |
| 22:10.30 | DarkRevenant | uh |
| 22:10.30 | ProzaicMuze | that'll tell yeh which one is causin' the issue |
| 22:10.33 | DarkRevenant | randomly tossing triggers |
| 22:10.37 | DarkRevenant | might break the whole thing |
| 22:10.37 | LordAbyss | you tossing each one of my heroes? |
| 22:10.40 | LordAbyss | you bastard! |
| 22:10.44 | DarkRevenant | also progammer |
| 22:10.47 | DarkRevenant | what is your video card |
| 22:10.47 | ProzaicMuze | I'll do that next LA |
| 22:10.49 | ProzaicMuze | Dark |
| 22:10.52 | ProzaicMuze | I dont' care if it's broken |
| 22:10.59 | DarkRevenant | like, nvidia 400 series, radeon 5000 series |
| 22:11.00 | ProzaicMuze | if I delete the trigger that causes the flicker |
| 22:11.01 | DarkRevenant | etc |
| 22:11.03 | progammer | mine was an onboard, no series |
| 22:11.04 | ProzaicMuze | it'll stop flickering |
| 22:11.20 | DarkRevenant | someone still made the video device |
| 22:11.20 | ProzaicMuze | thus broken or not, you'll know what trigger is causing th eissue. |
| 22:11.21 | DarkRevenant | intel? |
| 22:11.23 | DarkRevenant | nvidia? |
| 22:11.25 | DarkRevenant | what |
| 22:11.25 | progammer | intel |
| 22:11.29 | DarkRevenant | hmm |
| 22:11.39 | DarkRevenant | well radeon and intel seem to be safe |
| 22:11.39 | Mephs | dont dete |
| 22:11.40 | Mephs | delete |
| 22:11.45 | Mephs | just enable/disable till it stops |
| 22:13.13 | DarkRevenant | i dont even know what you were talking about with the projectile cliff climbing |
| 22:13.29 | ProzaicMuze | oh |
| 22:13.30 | DarkRevenant | has anyone been able to reproduce that? |
| 22:13.34 | ProzaicMuze | if you shoot at the corner of a cliff |
| 22:13.36 | ProzaicMuze | it doesn't bounce |
| 22:13.40 | ProzaicMuze | it govers up and over |
| 22:13.49 | DarkRevenant | up and over what? |
| 22:13.53 | ProzaicMuze | the cliff. . . |
| 22:13.58 | Mephs | yea i had that too |
| 22:14.02 | Mephs | the physics are kinda wanky |
| 22:14.10 | DarkRevenant | a projectile in that case |
| 22:14.12 | DarkRevenant | would clip the cliff |
| 22:14.17 | DarkRevenant | not go LOLUPANDAROUND |
| 22:14.29 | Mephs | no they go lolupandaround |
| 22:14.32 | ProzaicMuze | Dark |
| 22:14.37 | ProzaicMuze | I'm just gonna say this once |
| 22:14.38 | DarkRevenant | they always clip on my end |
| 22:14.42 | ProzaicMuze | you're being a total douchebag idiot |
| 22:14.47 | ProzaicMuze | Now |
| 22:14.50 | ProzaicMuze | we're telling you things are wrong |
| 22:14.56 | ProzaicMuze | Listen |
| 22:15.01 | ProzaicMuze | and don't tell us we're telling you th ewrong things |
| 22:15.04 | ProzaicMuze | I shoot at cliff |
| 22:15.06 | ProzaicMuze | it goes up and over |
| 22:15.08 | ProzaicMuze | simple as that |
| 22:15.11 | DarkRevenant | and i'm telling you it only happens, to the current extent of the data, on nvidia graphics cards |
| 22:15.19 | Mephs | that's nto a gfx issue |
| 22:15.20 | DarkRevenant | which makes no sense at all but that's the data |
| 22:15.24 | ProzaicMuze | lol |
| 22:15.31 | ProzaicMuze | You can't definitively say that |
| 22:15.41 | DarkRevenant | current data suggests it |
| 22:15.46 | DarkRevenant | everyone with the problem has nvidia cards |
| 22:15.50 | ProzaicMuze | Current data suggest your triggers are causing the issue |
| 22:15.55 | DarkRevenant | everyone who tested with intel and radeon so far has not had the problem |
| 22:16.02 | ProzaicMuze | But you've said it can't be the triggers because nothing in the triggers would cause what we described |
| 22:16.02 | DarkRevenant | triggers, obviously, cause it |
| 22:16.09 | ProzaicMuze | so by your logic it MUST be something else, like our cards |
| 22:16.10 | DarkRevenant | why it doesnt happen with non-nvidia, i have no idea |
| 22:16.36 | DarkRevenant | the triggers are most likely not the ONLY cause |
| 22:16.51 | ProzaicMuze | and the cliff-jumping isn't something that would be caused by a specific GFX card |
| 22:17.02 | DarkRevenant | more a driver adaptation |
| 22:17.08 | DarkRevenant | the game might be coded differently for the two brands |
| 22:17.43 | DarkRevenant | it's quite possibly the worst thing for a designer to deal with: hardware differences |
| 22:22.05 | DarkRevenant | it could very well be possible that the way sc2 is coded will make it so that actors cannot clip through the ground on recent nvidia graphics cards |
| 22:22.35 | DarkRevenant | which is why the gameplay is essentially identical for all of us but the art may be retarded for you |
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| 22:22.41 | progammer | huh ? |
| 22:22.55 | progammer | i have tried to set unit high to below terran |
| 22:22.59 | progammer | it cant seem to work |
| 22:23.04 | DarkRevenant | progammer, you tested the map on an intel chip, like my laptop's, and this problem didnt happen |
| 22:23.10 | DarkRevenant | units cant go below terrain height |
| 22:23.12 | DarkRevenant | actors CAN |
| 22:23.21 | DarkRevenant | except, apparently, for those nvidia testers |
| 22:23.30 | progammer | hm werid i have some unit that set height like -8 but it still stay on the ground |
| 22:23.38 | DarkRevenant | the projectiles |
| 22:23.40 | DarkRevenant | are not units |
| 22:23.42 | DarkRevenant | they are actors |
| 22:23.48 | DarkRevenant | the projectile system has them go below ground at times |
| 22:24.07 | DarkRevenant | that would account for the problems they ahve with the cliff climbing stuff |
| 22:24.13 | DarkRevenant | it may be an artifact of blizzards' graphics code |
| 22:24.18 | DarkRevenant | different between drivers |
| 22:24.39 | DarkRevenant | the only fix is really hoping they patch it |
| 22:24.47 | DarkRevenant | if that's the case |
| 22:24.52 | DarkRevenant | the screen flickering is similar |
| 22:25.00 | DarkRevenant | except in this case, i dont even know where to start |
| 22:25.14 | DarkRevenant | once again, it only happened with them, and their common element is their nvidia card |
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| 22:33.47 | Zara | about what kind of flickering are you talking about guyz? |
| 22:34.10 | Zara | my GF card makes unit flicker with load/unload ability |
| 22:34.16 | Zara | on my laptop this doesn't happen |
| 22:34.19 | DarkRevenant | lol |
| 22:34.32 | Zara | not that lol, really |
| 22:34.36 | DarkRevenant | http://comclan.co.cc/maps/Battle%20Mages%20A.SC2map |
| 22:34.48 | DarkRevenant | see how it happens in that map |
| 22:34.52 | DarkRevenant | whats your gfx card btw? |
| 22:34.54 | Zara | i rewrote halp of my map because I was thinking that was the cause |
| 22:35.31 | Zara | page not found revenant |
| 22:36.00 | DarkRevenant | http://comclan.co.cc/maps/Battle%20Mages%20A.SC2Map |
| 22:36.03 | DarkRevenant | oh |
| 22:36.06 | DarkRevenant | M was not capitalized |
| 22:36.08 | DarkRevenant | ffs |
| 22:36.13 | Zara | :P |
| 22:36.17 | Zara | let's see |
| 22:36.57 | Mephs | oh of course, that was the cause of the flickering! |
| 22:37.00 | Mephs | capitalized M |
| 22:37.06 | Mephs | :p |
| 22:37.21 | DarkRevenant | of course. |
| 22:37.23 | DarkRevenant | right |
| 22:37.33 | DarkRevenant | i typed the link wrong the first time |
| 22:37.35 | DarkRevenant | lol |
| 22:37.57 | DarkRevenant | anyway seriously, there's something going on with the graphics card |
| 22:38.00 | Zara | oooooh shit |
| 22:38.01 | DarkRevenant | i mean, we have the same map |
| 22:38.02 | Zara | why that? |
| 22:38.13 | Zara | that flickers for me too |
| 22:38.19 | DarkRevenant | what is your gfx card |
| 22:38.23 | DarkRevenant | that is the most important part |
| 22:38.32 | Mephs | its not the gfx card i'm willing to wager |
| 22:38.43 | Mephs | it doesn't happen when you disable a bunch of triggers |
| 22:38.43 | DarkRevenant | just say it |
| 22:38.45 | DarkRevenant | we need data |
| 22:39.02 | DarkRevenant | well, if you disable the projectile engine, then yeah nothing is happening at all |
| 22:39.09 | Zara | ATI Radeon 4350 |
| 22:39.11 | Mephs | thats my point |
| 22:39.13 | DarkRevenant | there are several things that may cause the problem on some computers but not others |
| 22:39.13 | Mephs | its the projectile engine |
| 22:39.31 | Mephs | your argument is the equivalent of |
| 22:39.33 | Zara | i try it on my GF now |
| 22:39.33 | Mephs | a web developer saying |
| 22:39.36 | DarkRevenant | flickering on a radeon 4350 |
| 22:39.40 | DarkRevenant | lol you have 2 graphics cards? |
| 22:39.41 | Mephs | IT LOOKS GOOD IN IE6 IT SHOULD LOOK FINE FOR YOU |
| 22:39.55 | Zara | only one |
| 22:39.56 | DarkRevenant | i dont exactly have control of the graphics engine |
| 22:39.58 | Mephs | without testing it in other browsers |
| 22:40.07 | Zara | i try it on the GF9800XT now |
| 22:40.17 | DarkRevenant | and i cant exactly buy 10 different comps just to test a map |
| 22:40.24 | Mephs | well we're teling you its flickering badly |
| 22:40.25 | DarkRevenant | it clearly flickers for some people |
| 22:40.29 | Mephs | everyone you've shown it to its happening |
| 22:40.32 | DarkRevenant | but i don't see how |
| 22:40.38 | DarkRevenant | actually some people dont report it |
| 22:40.49 | DarkRevenant | such as everyone testing it until i posted it here |
| 22:40.54 | Zara | because they have wooden pc |
| 22:40.59 | Zara | and SC2 flickers for them all the time |
| 22:41.01 | DarkRevenant | oh, and progammer didn't find it |
| 22:41.05 | Zara | so they think it's normal lol |
| 22:41.17 | DarkRevenant | also my friends with better comps |
| 22:41.20 | DarkRevenant | said nothing of flickering |
| 22:41.31 | Zara | did u tried to measure |
| 22:41.31 | DarkRevenant | or that cliff stuff |
| 22:41.34 | Zara | CPU usage? |
| 22:41.42 | Zara | while running the map? |
| 22:41.55 | DarkRevenant | not much different than running the main menu |
| 22:41.58 | DarkRevenant | or a melee map |
| 22:42.07 | DarkRevenant | it's dependent on the amount of projectiles |
| 22:42.10 | Zara | and what about the debug console? |
| 22:42.18 | DarkRevenant | but the flicker can happen even with NO projectiles except the basic 14 players |
| 22:42.24 | DarkRevenant | but screen flickering... |
| 22:42.27 | Zara | w8 w8 w8 |
| 22:42.33 | Zara | projectiles are made of what? |
| 22:42.38 | DarkRevenant | they are actors |
| 22:42.40 | DarkRevenant | not units |
| 22:42.40 | Zara | charges or pickup items? |
| 22:42.44 | DarkRevenant | actors. |
| 22:42.47 | DarkRevenant | generic actors |
| 22:42.58 | Zara | u destroy them properly? |
| 22:43.03 | DarkRevenant | yep |
| 22:43.10 | DarkRevenant | it first cleans all of the variables associated with them |
| 22:43.16 | DarkRevenant | and then destroys them immediately |
| 22:43.30 | Zara | what variables are you using? |
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| 22:43.34 | DarkRevenant | arrays |
| 22:43.40 | Zara | mhhhhhh |
| 22:43.47 | DarkRevenant | reals, booleans, integers, mostly |
| 22:43.54 | DarkRevenant | i doubt its from my array setup |
| 22:44.00 | DarkRevenant | i dont see how that would translate into |
| 22:44.00 | Zara | maybe |
| 22:44.01 | DarkRevenant | lolflicker |
| 22:44.08 | Zara | it depends on the way you write/read them |
| 22:44.11 | DarkRevenant | if there are too many arrays, map won't load |
| 22:44.18 | DarkRevenant | listen, graphics are async to the game |
| 22:44.21 | Zara | or recurse |
| 22:44.28 | DarkRevenant | the flicker is |
| 22:44.31 | DarkRevenant | the terrain disappears |
| 22:44.40 | DarkRevenant | it's clearly not a memory error |
| 22:44.49 | Zara | yeah sure |
| 22:44.51 | DarkRevenant | doesnt happen on my 4gb ddr2 |
| 22:44.58 | DarkRevenant | does happen on someone else's 6gb ddr3 |
| 22:45.08 | Zara | i have 2 gb here |
| 22:45.12 | Zara | and i see flickering |
| 22:45.29 | Zara | and I see also |
| 22:45.35 | ProzaicMuze | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn2-d5a3r94 |
| 22:45.36 | ProzaicMuze | wtf |
| 22:45.36 | ProzaicMuze | no |
| 22:45.37 | ProzaicMuze | life |
| 22:45.38 | ProzaicMuze | at |
| 22:45.38 | Zara | bad motions |
| 22:45.38 | ProzaicMuze | all |
| 22:45.48 | Zara | when I run the dude |
| 22:46.06 | Zara | looks like an earthquake on the screen lol |
| 22:46.22 | Zara | the map drawing is not okay |
| 22:46.29 | Zara | there's something strange |
| 22:47.15 | Zara | HAHAHHA good comments inside prozaic |
| 22:47.18 | Zara | => i just shit my pants 3 times and than cumed allover the place and now i need a new computer |
| 22:48.11 | ProzaicMuze | yeah. . . |
| 22:48.15 | Zara | => Im getting mixed messages, one says; " you are the biggest nerd with no life, GO OTUSIDE!!!", the other says; "O...M....F...G....!!!!!!!! THAT IS SOOOO AWSOME!!!!!!" |
| 22:48.16 | ProzaicMuze | That's just. . . wrong |
| 22:48.56 | DarkRevenant | lol zara |
| 22:49.03 | DarkRevenant | an earthquake on the screen |
| 22:49.09 | Zara | ahem |
| 22:49.15 | DarkRevenant | well something that noticeable is clearly something that anyone would notice if they saw it |
| 22:49.27 | DarkRevenant | so im guessing anyone who doesnt say its there didnt experience it |
| 22:49.43 | DarkRevenant | it does not happen on progammer's comp nor mine |
| 22:49.46 | DarkRevenant | and we have intel express |
| 22:49.48 | Zara | u did something strange while building terrain? |
| 22:49.53 | DarkRevenant | zara has radeon, it happen |
| 22:49.56 | C-H | heh right click when you land a jump and you can run in place |
| 22:49.58 | DarkRevenant | home comp has radeon, doesnt happen |
| 22:50.02 | DarkRevenant | lol terrain |
| 22:50.05 | DarkRevenant | is basic as all hell |
| 22:50.10 | DarkRevenant | it has nothing to do with the terrain |
| 22:50.23 | DarkRevenant | HOW the hell did this even happen? |
| 22:50.31 | DarkRevenant | i mean seriously i'd have to freaking TRY |
| 22:50.43 | Zara | well I'm wondering what could be the cause |
| 22:50.49 | DarkRevenant | the only possible explanation to the screen shaking is |
| 22:50.50 | Mephs | it could be the 20 1000-size arrays possibly |
| 22:50.51 | Zara | mmmmmm a wrong zoom/camera maybe? |
| 22:51.01 | DarkRevenant | the camera wigs out |
| 22:51.12 | C-H | im not seeing it, nvidia gtx 460 x2 |
| 22:51.13 | DarkRevenant | for the purposes of pathfinding being interwoven with my engine |
| 22:51.16 | DarkRevenant | the unit the camera follows |
| 22:51.17 | Zara | camera is shaking the screen |
| 22:51.27 | Mephs | c-H i have the exact same setup as you and its happening to me |
| 22:51.30 | DarkRevenant | is literally swapped out every time the unit is being acted upon by physics |
| 22:51.40 | Zara | mephs |
| 22:51.47 | Zara | try to enable vertical synchronization |
| 22:51.47 | DarkRevenant | im going to change that to following the unit that does NOT get swapped |
| 22:51.56 | Zara | and see if it happens again |
| 22:51.58 | Mephs | i never have to use vsync for anything |
| 22:52.02 | Mephs | its the only map i ever had that problem |
| 22:52.07 | DarkRevenant | also array size has no coorelation with camera issues |
| 22:52.11 | Mephs | vsync is for old as shit computers |
| 22:52.13 | Azoth | DarkRevenant, i'm running the map you linked and not getting any graphical glitches, this is on my laptop (radeon hd4200) |
| 22:52.26 | DarkRevenant | yeah it seems to be totally random per comp so far |
| 22:52.29 | DarkRevenant | may be CPU difference |
| 22:52.32 | DarkRevenant | what's everyone's CPU |
| 22:52.39 | DarkRevenant | my laptop is core 2 duo 2.16ghz |
| 22:52.48 | DarkRevenant | home is athlon x2 5600+ |
| 22:52.51 | DarkRevenant | doesnt happen on either |
| 22:53.00 | Azoth | turion p520 |
| 22:53.12 | Zara | 2@2.4 Ghz Intel |
| 22:53.19 | DarkRevenant | no coorelation |
| 22:53.25 | DarkRevenant | how about vsync settings and such? |
| 22:53.26 | ProzaicMuze | Q9550 |
| 22:53.36 | Zara | i was just proposing it |
| 22:53.38 | DarkRevenant | home comp has nearly opposite settings from my laptop, so that's probably not the cause either |
| 22:53.39 | Zara | my vsynch is disabled |
| 22:53.42 | DarkRevenant | same here |
| 22:53.51 | DarkRevenant | well, i can conclude that |
| 22:53.57 | DarkRevenant | there is no hardware coorelation |
| 22:54.03 | DarkRevenant | so it seems to be a crapshoot |
| 22:54.22 | DarkRevenant | possible that drivers may be involved, though, but i have no way of knowing |
| 22:54.30 | DarkRevenant | well, i'm going to try something and then have you guys test |
| 22:54.31 | Mephs | you can't release it in that state tho |
| 22:54.34 | C-H | i7 930 2.8 Ghz |
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| 22:54.50 | ProzaicMuze | correlation* btw |
| 22:54.51 | ProzaicMuze | lol |
| 22:54.54 | Zara | try vsynch |
| 22:55.02 | Azoth | do people get errors in your map only when the projectiles are created? |
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| 22:55.20 | Mephs | it doesn't start flickering till i shoot |
| 22:55.24 | Mephs | at least once |
| 22:55.32 | Mephs | at least once |
| 22:55.36 | Mephs | woop |
| 22:55.38 | Zara | mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm any intensive for loop that does'nt close? |
| 22:55.52 | Azoth | it probably has something to do with the shadow or lighting shading invovled with the projectiles |
| 22:55.54 | DarkRevenant | well |
| 22:55.57 | Mephs | i got a too-=many-thread error |
| 22:55.58 | DarkRevenant | there are only while loops |
| 22:56.01 | Azoth | basically it's an issue you have zero control over for the most part |
| 22:56.08 | Mephs | only fired like 10 shots |
| 22:56.08 | DarkRevenant | mephs |
| 22:56.10 | DarkRevenant | what did you do to get th |
| 22:56.12 | DarkRevenant | WHAT |
| 22:56.14 | DarkRevenant | only 10 shots |
| 22:56.17 | DarkRevenant | i cant get that even with 300 |
| 22:56.17 | C-H | kinda slows when i shoot but is that suposed to happen? |
| 22:56.19 | Creeperbear | so i have a question: i deleted the melee initialization triggers and made some of my own, but when i try to publish the map to test it online it resets everything to melee and erases the triggers i made. this also happens with the file i saved on my computer. obviously missing something critical here |
| 22:56.25 | Mephs | thats the first time i seen that happen |
| 22:56.32 | Azoth | Creeperbear, check the map attributes |
| 22:56.34 | C-H | err like char is slowed (movement) |
| 22:56.49 | Mephs | the whole game kinda crawls when you have projectiles up |
| 22:56.52 | Zara | yo should check those things... even if there is no correlation between graphics and code... |
| 22:56.53 | DarkRevenant | on this comp i get an actor error when i shoot after using a spell but that may very well be a problem unrelated |
| 22:57.14 | DarkRevenant | okay so people are getting random problems |
| 22:57.20 | DarkRevenant | i get terrific performance |
| 22:57.20 | Zara | a very intensive loop or a bad formed loop should increase the processus load anyway and decrease global perfs |
| 22:57.23 | DarkRevenant | mephs, terrible performance |
| 22:57.28 | DarkRevenant | and his comp is far superior than mine |
| 22:57.33 | Mephs | clearly it is not your fault |
| 22:57.43 | Creeperbear | yeah i set it to custom in game variants and game attributes |
| 22:57.48 | DarkRevenant | well |
| 22:57.54 | DarkRevenant | there is a master while loop running the projectiles |
| 22:57.58 | Mephs | like i said i'm tryin to reproduce the error |
| 22:58.03 | DarkRevenant | but that's par for the course |
| 22:58.04 | Mephs | ... |
| 22:58.05 | Mephs | oh boy -_- |
| 22:58.07 | Zara | send it to blizzard and let them check it... but remove "jesus" texts before |
| 22:58.13 | Griffith`` | what is going on in the minds of blizzard lol |
| 22:58.19 | DarkRevenant | anyway |
| 22:58.22 | DarkRevenant | with 10 projectiles out |
| 22:58.25 | DarkRevenant | that's 24 iterations |
| 22:58.27 | Griffith`` | i dont get how SC2 was released in such a shitty state |
| 22:58.31 | DarkRevenant | yeah, 24 iterations, so hard to loop through |
| 22:58.33 | Mephs | yo dawg we herd you like game loops so we put a game loop in your game loop so you can loop while you loop |
| 22:58.36 | DarkRevenant | actually it's more like 80 total but whatever |
| 22:58.40 | Azoth | Creeperbear, it shouldn't be erasing anything when you publish, keep poking around with attributes until it works out, that's most likely where the problem is |
| 22:58.50 | DarkRevenant | besides |
| 22:58.55 | DarkRevenant | the while loop doesnt even make its own thread |
| 22:59.04 | Mephs | everything that's triggered |
| 22:59.05 | Mephs | is a thread |
| 22:59.08 | Mephs | regardless |
| 22:59.09 | Zara | put it on a separate thread |
| 22:59.18 | DarkRevenant | the trigger running the while loop |
| 22:59.21 | DarkRevenant | is a thread |
| 22:59.27 | Mephs | right |
| 22:59.29 | DarkRevenant | but each iteration is just tacked onto the next one |
| 22:59.37 | DarkRevenant | that one trigger is all one massive thread |
| 22:59.47 | Mephs | when you work with multiple threads in any context chaos is always a concern |
| 23:00.00 | DarkRevenant | the only new threads created |
| 23:00.03 | Zara | i love multithreading |
| 23:00.06 | DarkRevenant | are not interdependent on the others |
| 23:00.17 | Mephs | i love ppl who try to multithread that have never actually worked with threading in a real enterprise level application environment |
| 23:00.18 | DarkRevenant | like shooting a projectile is not order-dependent with the actual physics system |
| 23:00.22 | DarkRevenant | its like throwing a train on a track |
| 23:00.28 | Mephs | or try to apply multithreading concepts to things |
| 23:00.34 | DarkRevenant | anyway |
| 23:00.40 | DarkRevenant | the projectile physics is NOT multithreaded |
| 23:00.44 | DarkRevenant | in the slightest |
| 23:00.51 | Mephs | you can theoretically burn down your neighbors house with multithreading. truth |
| 23:00.55 | Mephs | i've seen it happen |
| 23:01.04 | Zara | LOALZ |
| 23:01.32 | Zara | they need to give us a model hittest function |
| 23:01.45 | DarkRevenant | i |
| 23:01.46 | Zara | workarounds based on mouse location and sight are not good |
| 23:01.50 | DarkRevenant | don't know how you managed a thread limit error |
| 23:01.52 | DarkRevenant | on 10 projectiles |
| 23:01.54 | Mephs | i dont know either |
| 23:02.02 | Mephs | thats the only time i've had one pop up |
| 23:02.10 | DarkRevenant | it's probably |
| 23:02.13 | DarkRevenant | unrelated to the projectile count |
| 23:02.16 | DarkRevenant | and something else entirely |
| 23:02.21 | DarkRevenant | try reproducing it |
| 23:02.23 | Mephs | is it possible something in the while loop snagged and never closed the thread? |
| 23:02.36 | DarkRevenant | no, the index used by the while loop |
| 23:02.39 | DarkRevenant | ALWAYS goes up |
| 23:02.41 | C-H | O.o restarted map and now im getting the flickering |
| 23:02.41 | DarkRevenant | it will terminate |
| 23:02.42 | Mephs | what other loops are going on besides that one |
| 23:02.51 | DarkRevenant | oh what now it flickers for you |
| 23:02.56 | Mephs | if you got 2 threads running |
| 23:02.58 | Mephs | constantly |
| 23:03.04 | Mephs | and they're accessing anything that the other is accessing |
| 23:03.10 | Mephs | you've got some design flaws |
| 23:03.13 | DarkRevenant | that's the only master thread going on |
| 23:03.16 | Mephs | ok |
| 23:03.17 | Mephs | idk then |
| 23:03.21 | DarkRevenant | anything that accesses the data |
| 23:03.23 | DarkRevenant | in that main thread |
| 23:03.27 | DarkRevenant | does so once |
| 23:03.29 | DarkRevenant | during that thread |
| 23:03.37 | DarkRevenant | i.e. the functions/actions are set not to create a new thread |
| 23:03.42 | DarkRevenant | so they function sequentially |
| 23:04.15 | DarkRevenant | i know about the dangers of multithreading and i remained careful |
| 23:04.20 | DarkRevenant | it DOES work fine on my home comp |
| 23:04.34 | DarkRevenant | so I know there is something seriously funky going on when some people have it work |
| 23:04.37 | DarkRevenant | and others don't |
| 23:04.39 | Azoth | galaxy code doesn't change behavior on different computers |
| 23:04.39 | Mephs | yea but teh sc2 engine treats every trigger as a thread |
| 23:04.43 | DarkRevenant | even on the same graphics card and amount of cores |
| 23:04.49 | Mephs | whether you tell it to or not |
| 23:04.50 | DarkRevenant | there's actually 1 master trigger |
| 23:04.54 | DarkRevenant | the rest are fucntions and action definitions |
| 23:05.22 | DarkRevenant | anyhow, what are some specific triggers for the shaking? |
| 23:05.27 | DarkRevenant | like when it happens specifically |
| 23:05.31 | C-H | ok the projectile goin above cliff is doin it based on mouseclick position, i just figured it out... |
| 23:05.48 | C-H | yay me |
| 23:05.54 | Mephs | yea but it does that sometimes even without |
| 23:05.57 | DarkRevenant | the projectile should travel linearly unless it bounces |
| 23:06.07 | Mephs | if you fire at certain quirks in the terrain its easily exploitable |
| 23:06.13 | Mephs | like cornerse n stuff |
| 23:06.18 | DarkRevenant | its direction will change once or twice if it hits the terrain |
| 23:06.18 | Mephs | they bounce and then just ignore terrain |
| 23:06.32 | DarkRevenant | however it will only bounce if the terrain is at a 90 degree or shorter angle |
| 23:06.51 | C-H | yeah terrain kinda bugs it |
| 23:07.08 | C-H | if you dont want it to go up randomly |
| 23:07.09 | DarkRevenant | so in other words |
| 23:07.33 | DarkRevenant | if you shoot at a corner at the right angle |
| 23:07.38 | DarkRevenant | the projectile might bounce upwards |
| 23:07.44 | Mephs | its easily reproducable |
| 23:07.48 | DarkRevenant | but to be fair most projectiles won't bounce and just go straight up like that |
| 23:07.48 | Mephs | and exploitable |
| 23:08.01 | DarkRevenant | exploit having a projectile moving directly up? |
| 23:08.04 | C-H | if whatever you hit may be angled yeah |
| 23:08.06 | Mephs | its controllable |
| 23:08.07 | DarkRevenant | dont see how that would actually help you |
| 23:08.12 | Mephs | i could basically hit anyone on the map with it |
| 23:08.14 | Mephs | without regard to LOS |
| 23:08.19 | DarkRevenant | wat |
| 23:08.25 | Mephs | :p |
| 23:08.25 | DarkRevenant | the projectile |
| 23:08.29 | DarkRevenant | is now travelling up |
| 23:08.32 | Mephs | no |
| 23:08.33 | Mephs | its just |
| 23:08.35 | DarkRevenant | how is it going to |
| 23:08.36 | Mephs | climbing terrain |
| 23:08.36 | DarkRevenant | randomly hit someone |
| 23:08.41 | DarkRevenant | W H A T |
| 23:08.42 | C-H | man made cliffs (top of edge i think) dont have collision so that could be angled |
| 23:08.42 | Mephs | and moving along the ground |
| 23:08.47 | DarkRevenant | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:08.51 | Mephs | so i can hit ppl on the other side of a cliff XD |
| 23:09.06 | Mephs | but they wont be able to hit me if i'm on the right side of it |
| 23:09.07 | DarkRevenant | okay i'm pretty DAMN sure that would cause a desync since it only happens with some people |
| 23:09.09 | DarkRevenant | how is that even POSSIBLE |
| 23:09.10 | Mephs | doesn't seem to do that on the other side |
| 23:09.28 | DarkRevenant | do the FPUs for different cpu models differ so much that it will happen for some people and not others |
| 23:09.31 | Mephs | no |
| 23:09.49 | Mephs | its because you're trying to implement physics in an engine that doesn't really directly support PHYSICS. |
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| 23:09.55 | DarkRevenant | mephs |
| 23:10.01 | DarkRevenant | this is a contradiction |
| 23:10.03 | Mephs | believe me i had to try to figure out how to implement line of sight fire in my own game |
| 23:10.04 | DarkRevenant | at its most basic |
| 23:10.20 | Mephs | and i had to use 1000 different fucking workarounds to get it remotely functional |
| 23:10.25 | Mephs | so ppl weren't shooting each other through cars and objects |
| 23:10.25 | C-H | turn off z axis? |
| 23:10.31 | DarkRevenant | it does not happen with me even in all my hundred tests |
| 23:10.42 | DarkRevenant | yet it happens with you right off the bat |
| 23:10.47 | Mephs | i know how to exploit it =p |
| 23:10.53 | Mephs | cuz i drilled my forehead into it |
| 23:10.54 | Mephs | already |
| 23:10.54 | DarkRevenant | i've tried |
| 23:10.58 | DarkRevenant | for hours to exploit |
| 23:11.06 | DarkRevenant | i mean if it was possible on my machine, i would have done it by now |
| 23:11.11 | Mephs | it took me a week alone to fix the issue |
| 23:11.19 | Mephs | but my line of sight aiming is diff from yours |
| 23:11.26 | Mephs | in that i only used 1 function and no 1000-size arrays lol |
| 23:11.44 | DarkRevenant | mephs, you misunderstand the nature of my system |
| 23:11.50 | Mephs | no i get the nature of it |
| 23:11.51 | DarkRevenant | if the projectile's Z is below the terrain ground's Z |
| 23:11.54 | DarkRevenant | it has a collision |
| 23:12.00 | Mephs | are you on US bnet |
| 23:12.02 | Mephs | i'll show you |
| 23:12.07 | DarkRevenant | a projectile sliding across the groun |
| 23:12.13 | Mephs | yeah i know |
| 23:12.13 | DarkRevenant | okay ill go on bnet but i'll have like 4fps |
| 23:12.15 | Mephs | how the collision works |
| 23:12.23 | Mephs | and i'm telling you |
| 23:12.28 | Mephs | its easily exploitable the way you're implmeenting it |
| 23:12.32 | Mephs | cuz i tried that method already |
| 23:12.35 | DarkRevenant | reproduce it |
| 23:12.37 | DarkRevenant | and show me |
| 23:12.39 | DarkRevenant | maybe i can fix |
| 23:12.39 | Mephs | kk |
| 23:12.53 | DarkRevenant | darkrevenant.702 |
| 23:13.18 | Mephs | sec |
| 23:14.51 | C-H | randomly mashing keys and the flickering went way crazy |
| 23:15.12 | Mephs | you're in a game |
| 23:15.21 | DarkRevenant | well yeah i hosted th egame |
| 23:15.25 | Mephs | Mephs.303 |
| 23:15.27 | DarkRevenant | add me to party and i'll invite |
| 23:17.28 | C-H | ok it was the alt key that did it, what its that weapon glow spit out orb thing |
| 23:17.58 | C-H | what is* |
| 23:18.35 | C-H | O.o not alt, ctrl |
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| 23:22.45 | Mephs | also teh spell mode mine things |
| 23:22.46 | DarkRevenant | shit man even on my integrated chip |
| 23:22.48 | Mephs | look really choppy |
| 23:22.48 | DarkRevenant | i didnt get flashing |
| 23:23.01 | DarkRevenant | i.. dont know what to say about that |
| 23:23.08 | DarkRevenant | try http://comclan.co.cc/maps/Battle%20Mages%20A.SC2Map |
| 23:23.11 | DarkRevenant | i made a version with no camera swap |
| 23:23.20 | DarkRevenant | it follows the art unit which never gets swapped out or anything |
| 23:23.25 | Mephs | i mean all the movement is just really choppy and kind of slow looking |
| 23:23.26 | DarkRevenant | see if it works for you |
| 23:23.35 | DarkRevenant | choppy? |
| 23:23.37 | Mephs | yea |
| 23:23.40 | DarkRevenant | well the projectiles run on a 1/16 timer |
| 23:23.41 | Mephs | you could get much smoother movement with DE |
| 23:23.44 | DarkRevenant | on faster that's 25fps |
| 23:23.55 | Mephs | you can make launch missiles reflect and bounce on a validator |
| 23:23.59 | Mephs | in this case a cliff height comparison |
| 23:24.03 | Mephs | so you could have achieved this with DE |
| 23:24.07 | DarkRevenant | yeah i could get smoother with DE but stuff like hardbody collisions are just about impossible |
| 23:24.14 | Mephs | between two objects? |
| 23:24.16 | Mephs | you can do that with DE |
| 23:24.32 | Mephs | it'd be tedious as fuck |
| 23:24.33 | DarkRevenant | maybe at a basic level |
| 23:24.34 | Mephs | but you can do it |
| 23:24.35 | Mephs | no |
| 23:24.40 | Mephs | at the level you're trying toa ccomplish |
| 23:24.53 | DarkRevenant | this is billiards-level physics |
| 23:24.55 | DarkRevenant | if you, for example |
| 23:25.01 | DarkRevenant | shoot on of those balls |
| 23:25.16 | DarkRevenant | even when you shoot it in the same direction |
| 23:25.29 | DarkRevenant | just by moving to the left somewhat the bounce is very different from the center- dead on |
| 23:25.41 | DarkRevenant | meaning if make a glancing blow, they'll shoot off at angles |
| 23:25.46 | DarkRevenant | but hit the center, they'll bounce directly back |
| 23:25.48 | Mephs | theoretically you could achieve that in DE. |
| 23:25.53 | Mephs | again, extremely tedious |
| 23:25.58 | Mephs | but doable |
| 23:26.02 | DarkRevenant | maybe with a table of predefined values |
| 23:26.09 | Mephs | using the model parameters |
| 23:26.14 | Mephs | bounds etc |
| 23:26.23 | DarkRevenant | it would require a lot of approximation |
| 23:26.27 | Mephs | idk how EXACTLY without looking at it and trying to do it |
| 23:26.28 | Mephs | myself |
| 23:26.30 | Mephs | but i know its doable |
| 23:26.37 | DarkRevenant | but with enough preset values you could theoretically do it in the DE, to some extent |
| 23:26.42 | DarkRevenant | but it would be very limited |
| 23:26.55 | Mephs | you'd basically |
| 23:27.03 | Mephs | have to have a periodic search area on every projectile |
| 23:27.10 | Mephs | and have a HUGE fucking switch effect |
| 23:27.11 | Mephs | on impact |
| 23:27.29 | DarkRevenant | and here i just do vector physics |
| 23:27.35 | DarkRevenant | the vector physics part doesnt cause problems |
| 23:27.40 | DarkRevenant | hell i did it in wc3 without issue |
| 23:27.48 | DarkRevenant | try the new ver http://comclan.co.cc/maps/Battle%20Mages%20A.SC2Map |
| 23:27.51 | Mephs | it still looks clunky i mean |
| 23:27.53 | DarkRevenant | i dont think it will flicker |
| 23:27.55 | Mephs | if it works or not |
| 23:28.15 | DarkRevenant | meh, blizz will probably extend the unit blend move |
| 23:28.21 | DarkRevenant | to generic actors |
| 23:28.22 | Mephs | why not just blend |
| 23:28.32 | DarkRevenant | you can't blend with just an actor |
| 23:28.34 | Mephs | and use a unit instead of an actor |
| 23:28.35 | DarkRevenant | gotta be a unit for that |
| 23:28.38 | DarkRevenant | no idea why |
| 23:28.41 | DarkRevenant | it's an actor property |
| 23:28.49 | DarkRevenant | units cannot go below ground, which is why i use only actors |
| 23:29.00 | Mephs | uh? |
| 23:29.02 | Mephs | oO |
| 23:29.11 | DarkRevenant | unit height cannot go below the ground level |
| 23:29.13 | DarkRevenant | actors CAN |
| 23:29.15 | DarkRevenant | that's a huge difference |
| 23:29.18 | DarkRevenant | essential for this system |
| 23:29.22 | DarkRevenant | plus units are less optimized |
| 23:29.23 | Mephs | turn on "ignore terrain height" |
| 23:29.24 | Mephs | and they can |
| 23:29.38 | Mephs | its a flag on the unit |
| 23:29.39 | DarkRevenant | >plus unit are less optimized |
| 23:29.40 | Mephs | iirc |
| 23:29.47 | Mephs | meh. |
| 23:29.52 | DarkRevenant | that may be true, but actors do give a bit more performance |
| 23:30.03 | DarkRevenant | more of my own choice |
| 23:30.07 | DarkRevenant | switching would not be impossible |
| 23:30.25 | DarkRevenant | but that's not the root cause of the flickering |
| 23:30.32 | Mephs | i'm just not seeing the point of billiard level physics |
| 23:30.34 | Mephs | in a game like this |
| 23:30.36 | DarkRevenant | also the cliff hugging never happened on screen for me; i don't know why that would happen for you |
| 23:30.45 | DarkRevenant | you see, it's not a traditional shooter |
| 23:30.53 | DarkRevenant | you can shoot spells such as large fireballs or large hunks of earth |
| 23:30.59 | DarkRevenant | that need to be physics objects |
| 23:31.03 | DarkRevenant | that move and redirect realistically |
| 23:31.20 | DarkRevenant | plus i can use that just to do cool stuff later on |
| 23:31.25 | DarkRevenant | its also adaptable |
| 23:31.26 | Mephs | i can guarantee you the last thing on ppl's minds are going to be WOW THE PHYSICS |
| 23:31.31 | DarkRevenant | i can change those projectiles' properties in an instant |
| 23:31.31 | Mephs | consider your audience :p |
| 23:31.40 | DarkRevenant | the physics are a gateway for other things |
| 23:31.43 | DarkRevenant | other things that are cool |
| 23:32.03 | Mephs | you can probably accomplish the same thing without 100% realistic (relatively speaking) physics |
| 23:32.04 | DarkRevenant | but the physics have to work right in order to do those things |
| 23:32.09 | Mephs | i mean |
| 23:32.13 | DarkRevenant | this stuff, hardly 100% realistic |
| 23:32.18 | Mephs | i got shit that throws rocks and cars and whatnot in my map |
| 23:32.23 | DarkRevenant | but it's at least realistic enough for all intents and purposes |
| 23:32.25 | DarkRevenant | as long as it works |
| 23:32.26 | Mephs | and i dont need a physics engine |
| 23:32.39 | DarkRevenant | the main issue here is the flickering, which is |
| 23:32.48 | Mephs | lemme try the last link |
| 23:32.49 | DarkRevenant | not a physics engine problem, rather a whole map problem |
| 23:32.54 | DarkRevenant | http://comclan.co.cc/maps/Battle%20Mages%20A.SC2Map |
| 23:32.59 | DarkRevenant | its the same link but a different version |
| 23:33.08 | Mephs | yea i mean version |
| 23:33.11 | DarkRevenant | this time the camera follows a particular unit |
| 23:33.17 | DarkRevenant | that does not change |
| 23:33.21 | DarkRevenant | so it may alleviate those problems |
| 23:33.39 | Arthas- | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/general/general-chat/13745-blizzards-letter-about-nexus-word-wars/?post=35 <<< that |
| 23:33.40 | DarkRevenant | if the camera still earthquakes, then... IT'S DICK CHENEY'S FAULT |
| 23:33.43 | DarkRevenant | HE'S BACKFROM THE DEAD |
| 23:33.47 | Arthas- | does esrb have some rules that prevent this? |
| 23:33.50 | Mephs | the camera wasn't quaking |
| 23:34.03 | DarkRevenant | terrain flicker |
| 23:34.10 | DarkRevenant | to be honest i dont see how a physics system makes the terrain disappear |
| 23:34.14 | DarkRevenant | i can't make that stretch |
| 23:34.18 | Arthas- | I mean, legally you cant play SC2 without being 18 or have the guardians signature right? |
| 23:34.29 | DarkRevenant | camera crapout, maybe |
| 23:34.33 | DarkRevenant | but a physics engine. |
| 23:34.34 | DarkRevenant | really |
| 23:34.41 | DarkRevenant | sc2 is rated T |
| 23:34.51 | DarkRevenant | also there are no censorship laws, especially not for ESRB |
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| 23:34.56 | DarkRevenant | you can play a rated M game as a toddler |
| 23:34.59 | DarkRevenant | no legal recourse |
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| 23:35.08 | Arthas- | well doesnt most games have online rating may differ or so |
| 23:35.08 | DarkRevenant | unless they stuff it in their EULA or some shit |
| 23:35.20 | DarkRevenant | yeah, online experience may differe |
| 23:35.23 | Arthas- | DarkRevenant I was thinking of the account registration |
| 23:35.24 | Arthas- | not the rating |
| 23:35.30 | DarkRevenant | but blizz owns the maps and stuff, meaning |
| 23:35.32 | DarkRevenant | well |
| 23:35.35 | DarkRevenant | technically |
| 23:35.37 | Mephs | still happening |
| 23:35.41 | DarkRevenant | you are legally not allowed to sign a contract |
| 23:35.42 | DarkRevenant | WHAT |
| 23:35.49 | DarkRevenant | cant sign a contract til 18 |
| 23:35.53 | DarkRevenant | meaning you cannot agree to the EULA |
| 23:36.00 | DarkRevenant | meaning you can't install a game, legally, until you're 18 |
| 23:36.07 | Arthas- | exactly :D |
| 23:36.18 | DarkRevenant | however |
| 23:36.22 | Arthas- | but yeah, online experience may differ |
| 23:36.25 | DarkRevenant | it's a law that has absolutely no legal consequence |
| 23:36.28 | DarkRevenant | blizz owns maps |
| 23:36.29 | Arthas- | that was the on i was thinking of |
| 23:36.30 | DarkRevenant | meaning they cant just say |
| 23:36.38 | DarkRevenant | LOL ITS THEIR STUFF, THEIR PROBLEM, NO ONLINE RATING LOL |
| 23:37.01 | DarkRevenant | anyway |
| 23:37.07 | DarkRevenant | mephs |
| 23:37.07 | Arthas- | doesnt the eula just say that they get the right to do whatever they want with the material |
| 23:37.11 | DarkRevenant | look at the code for a second |
| 23:37.17 | Arthas- | they cant take the copyright away from you |
| 23:37.19 | DarkRevenant | how in the bloody fuck does the camera wig out like that? |
| 23:37.19 | Arthas- | or the ownership |
| 23:37.30 | Arthas- | since I am in no way legally bound to them |
| 23:37.36 | Arthas- | I havent signed anything |
| 23:37.55 | DarkRevenant | all i can assume is process order |
| 23:38.18 | DarkRevenant | its legal gray area |
| 23:38.25 | DarkRevenant | meaning it may be the case that |
| 23:38.35 | DarkRevenant | your parents instead signed the eula de facto |
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| 23:38.42 | DarkRevenant | even though you were the one who clicked |
| 23:38.47 | Arthas- | well i was referring to that |
| 23:38.50 | Arthas- | Im over 18 |
| 23:38.51 | DarkRevenant | but there's no way of knowing for sure since nobody brought that up in court |
| 23:38.53 | Arthas- | and accepted the eula |
| 23:38.59 | Arthas- | but i cant see how its legally binding |
| 23:39.08 | Arthas- | since just hitting accept wont do |
| 23:39.09 | DarkRevenant | it's "legally binding" |
| 23:39.13 | Arthas- | not here it aint :p |
| 23:39.14 | DarkRevenant | it even says |
| 23:39.17 | DarkRevenant | by hitting accept |
| 23:39.19 | Arthas- | perhaps in other countries |
| 23:39.21 | DarkRevenant | you agree to this EULA |
| 23:39.28 | DarkRevenant | it's legally binding but |
| 23:39.29 | DarkRevenant | very very weakly |
| 23:39.33 | DarkRevenant | its highly challenged |
| 23:39.35 | Arthas- | well |
| 23:39.40 | Arthas- | here its a lost case in court |
| 23:39.43 | DarkRevenant | cant hold a candle to a signature |
| 23:39.45 | Arthas- | if blizz would sue me here |
| 23:39.52 | Arthas- | although im sure they wouldnt do it here :p |
| 23:39.57 | DarkRevenant | the EULA is a weak contract |
| 23:39.59 | DarkRevenant | to say it lightly |
| 23:40.48 | Arthas- | hmm, got a bit sidetracked there :p |
| 23:41.07 | DarkRevenant | okay |
| 23:41.10 | DarkRevenant | Mephs |
| 23:41.10 | Arthas- | but a weak contract, gottcha |
| 23:41.12 | DarkRevenant | im going to try |
| 23:41.21 | DarkRevenant | totally disabling camera control |
| 23:41.29 | DarkRevenant | ie camera locked to one spot |
| 23:41.31 | DarkRevenant | no unit following |
| 23:41.49 | DarkRevenant | actually |
| 23:41.52 | DarkRevenant | no, |
| 23:41.55 | DarkRevenant | regular melee cam |
| 23:42.00 | DarkRevenant | lets dothat |
| 23:42.39 | DarkRevenant | http://comclan.co.cc/maps/Battle%20Mages%20A.SC2Map |
| 23:42.41 | DarkRevenant | test this |
| 23:42.43 | nolliepoper__ | DARK U GOOD |
| 23:42.46 | DarkRevenant | if it flickers, somebody is going to die |
| 23:42.48 | nolliepoper__ | WITH DATA EDITOR? |
| 23:42.53 | DarkRevenant | dont use it much |
| 23:42.56 | DarkRevenant | avoid it when possible |
| 23:42.59 | DarkRevenant | so much of a pain in the ass to use |
| 23:43.01 | nolliepoper__ | MY STUPID UPGRADE KEEPS MAKING ZERG NOISES |
| 23:43.08 | DarkRevenant | lol |
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| 23:43.20 | DarkRevenant | this version http://comclan.co.cc/maps/Battle%20Mages%20A.SC2Map has NO camera control |
| 23:43.22 | nolliepoper__ | YEAH I DODGE IT AS MUCH AS POSIBLE |
| 23:43.32 | DarkRevenant | if it somehow flickers, then there is seriously something wrong with starcraft 2 itself |
| 23:43.48 | nolliepoper__ | U BROS BEEN TALKING ABOUT FLICKERING SINCE THIS MORNING |
| 23:43.55 | nolliepoper__ | FOR-REAL? |
| 23:44.08 | DarkRevenant | mephs? |
| 23:44.13 | nolliepoper__ | AND YOU |
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| 23:45.01 | *** join/#sc2mapster kaseano (~kaseano@ip98-160-252-180.lv.lv.cox.net) |
| 23:45.02 | nolliepoper__ | WHY IS MY CUSTOM TERRAN UPGRADE MAKING ZERG NOISES? |
| 23:45.19 | kaseano | ops just accidently imported my entire harddrive to my map |
| 23:45.31 | nolliepoper__ | tru |
| 23:45.38 | nolliepoper__ | u new here? |
| 23:45.49 | kaseano | me? |
| 23:45.58 | nolliepoper__ | yah |
| 23:46.08 | kaseano | na i come here a lot to bother these guys lol |
| 23:46.12 | nolliepoper__ | why is my upgrade making zerg completion noises? |
| 23:46.21 | kaseano | you prob have an actor attached to it |
| 23:46.37 | kaseano | click on the unit and look at the attached tree |
| 23:46.41 | nolliepoper__ | funny cause you can't attatch actors to upgrades |
| 23:46.41 | Mephs | wow caps |
| 23:46.52 | nolliepoper__ | I said upgrade |
| 23:46.56 | nolliepoper__ | now your talking units |
| 23:47.10 | kaseano | when does it make the noise |
| 23:47.13 | kaseano | on completion nvm |
| 23:47.14 | Mephs | what do you mean by "making zerg noises"/ |
| 23:47.43 | kaseano | i duno i've never made an upgrade, but I'm guessing you need an ability to start the upgrade, and that ability prob has a zerg noise attached to it |
| 23:47.45 | Mephs | like "metamorphosis complete"? |
| 23:47.46 | nolliepoper__ | it said that nasty zerg noise |
| 23:47.49 | nolliepoper__ | about completion |
| 23:47.54 | nolliepoper__ | when I upgrade |
| 23:47.56 | Mephs | that means you have zerg UI |
| 23:47.59 | C-H | the terran upgrade complete noise is zerg? |
| 23:48.00 | nolliepoper__ | yeah |
| 23:48.04 | nolliepoper__ | metamorphosis complete |
| 23:48.10 | Mephs | your UI looks like the zerg one? |
| 23:48.27 | nolliepoper__ | So I have to change that for each player? |
| 23:48.31 | Mephs | cuz the UI determines your upgrade voices, visuals, and everything |
| 23:48.32 | Mephs | yea |
| 23:48.32 | nolliepoper__ | tell me the trigger asap |
| 23:48.37 | Mephs | ...the trigger? |
| 23:48.41 | Mephs | just set your race to terran |
| 23:48.46 | nolliepoper__ | I did |
| 23:48.52 | nolliepoper__ | o but in the test doc |
| 23:48.54 | Mephs | but if its giving you zerg UI |
| 23:48.58 | Mephs | then you did it wrong |
| 23:49.03 | DarkRevenant | sup |
| 23:49.11 | DarkRevenant | alright mephs http://comclan.co.cc/maps/Battle%20Mages%20A.SC2Map this has no camera at all |
| 23:49.13 | nolliepoper__ | does the test doc even pay attention to what I set in the variants? |
| 23:49.24 | Mephs | no set it in the player properties |
| 23:49.27 | DarkRevenant | last test then you dont have to have any more seisures |
| 23:49.31 | nolliepoper__ | No |
| 23:49.38 | nolliepoper__ | because when I set the race in player props |
| 23:49.51 | DarkRevenant | if http://comclan.co.cc/maps/Battle%20Mages%20A.SC2Map somehow flickers, then there is no god and we're all going to hell |
| 23:49.52 | nolliepoper__ | it errors out while publishing |
| 23:49.55 | nolliepoper__ | known fact. |
| 23:50.39 | nolliepoper__ | damn Mephs giving bad instructions. |
| 23:50.45 | Mephs | what? |
| 23:50.48 | Mephs | i've never had that happen |
| 23:51.00 | nolliepoper__ | If you select race in the player properties |
| 23:51.04 | nolliepoper__ | it won't publish. |
| 23:51.25 | Mephs | i have a published map |
| 23:51.25 | Mephs | with set race in player properties |
| 23:51.25 | Mephs | right now |
| 23:51.27 | nolliepoper__ | then what did you put for the variants? |
| 23:51.39 | Mephs | i have 3 |
| 23:51.39 | nolliepoper__ | what is the difference in where you set it? |
| 23:51.42 | Mephs | 5v5, 4v4, 3v3 |
| 23:51.50 | Mephs | this isn't in variants |
| 23:51.54 | Mephs | its in "player properties" |
| 23:52.00 | DarkRevenant | ): |
| 23:52.01 | Mephs | i set every player slot to be terran |
| 23:52.09 | DarkRevenant | everyone hates me |
| 23:52.12 | nolliepoper__ | doesn't matter I already put the locked terran for my 4 players |
| 23:52.18 | Mephs | i can't right now DR playing final sucktitude 14 and opening sc2 will crash it |
| 23:52.24 | nolliepoper__ | so thats just as good as the variants |
| 23:52.25 | Mephs | cuz they dont know how to make a fucking game minimize properly |
| 23:52.37 | nolliepoper__ | I am telling you right now it errors but you don't listen. |
| 23:52.43 | Mephs | ... |
| 23:52.46 | Mephs | i'm telling you right now |
| 23:52.48 | Mephs | i have a published map |
| 23:52.52 | Mephs | that every user is defaulted to terran |
| 23:52.56 | nolliepoper__ | Yes but ur not even helping me |
| 23:53.01 | nolliepoper__ | your map is not mine ok? |
| 23:53.06 | Mephs | but thats how you set the race |
| 23:53.10 | nolliepoper__ | I said when I set race in player props |
| 23:53.13 | nolliepoper__ | I get errors |
| 23:53.17 | Mephs | idk why |
| 23:53.17 | nolliepoper__ | I didn't say you get errors. |
| 23:53.23 | Mephs | you're getting errors then |
| 23:53.29 | nolliepoper__ | Stop bragging and sry and find solutions |
| 23:53.33 | Mephs | yo |
| 23:53.35 | Mephs | jesus christ |
| 23:53.41 | Mephs | fucking pay me and i'll figure out why you suck at making maps ok? |
| 23:53.50 | Mephs | rude ass nig |
| 23:54.00 | nolliepoper__ | Damn brag more about it bro. |
| 23:54.23 | nolliepoper__ | I thought this was a map making community not a competition. |
| 23:54.29 | Mephs | i'm telling you how to fix it |
| 23:54.35 | Mephs | i dont know why you're getting errors and its not my job to figure that out |
| 23:54.35 | C-H | maybe wont let you change because you have different races data mixed together |
| 23:54.40 | Mephs | for you |
| 23:54.43 | DarkRevenant | hey ch |
| 23:54.45 | DarkRevenant | http://comclan.co.cc/maps/Battle%20Mages%20A.SC2Map |
| 23:54.49 | DarkRevenant | i disabled camera control |
| 23:54.52 | Mephs | i told y ou how to fix the problem you asked about |
| 23:54.53 | nolliepoper__ | No what is wrong with just setting it in variants |
| 23:54.55 | C-H | still get it |
| 23:54.58 | C-H | dark |
| 23:54.58 | nolliepoper__ | and forget the player props. |
| 23:55.00 | Mephs | dont set it in the variants |
| 23:55.04 | C-H | flicker |
| 23:55.04 | Mephs | the variants tend to be buggy |
| 23:55.21 | Technomancer | I've been tweakin around with the hallucination ability, some really interesting stuff, one thing I don't get is why the tint actor is called High Templar something :S caused a few hours of frustration lol |
| 23:55.23 | nolliepoper__ | It works fine and I never get terran ui in game. |
| 23:55.27 | DarkRevenant | c-h did you use that new ver without camera? |
| 23:55.28 | nolliepoper__ | only in test doc. |
| 23:55.31 | C-H | yeah |
| 23:55.41 | DarkRevenant | uh |
| 23:55.42 | DarkRevenant | wat |
| 23:55.45 | DarkRevenant | so you |
| 23:55.46 | DarkRevenant | could use camera |
| 23:55.48 | DarkRevenant | like a melee user |
| 23:55.53 | DarkRevenant | and it STILL FLICKERED THE TERRAIN |
| 23:55.54 | nolliepoper__ | Technomancer |
| 23:55.59 | DarkRevenant | i dont even know where to being |
| 23:56.03 | DarkRevenant | begin |
| 23:56.05 | C-H | yeah when i used weapon abilities |
| 23:56.05 | DarkRevenant | that's just |
| 23:56.06 | DarkRevenant | fucked |
| 23:56.13 | C-H | or spells or whatever |
| 23:56.14 | DarkRevenant | okay i want blizzard to explain to me |
| 23:56.20 | DarkRevenant | how they managed to code their graphics engine so that |
| 23:56.23 | DarkRevenant | on some comps |
| 23:56.27 | DarkRevenant | the terrain would DISAPPEAR |
| 23:56.27 | Mephs | because its not their graphics engine |
| 23:56.29 | DarkRevenant | RANDOMLY |
| 23:56.33 | Mephs | its your triggers |
| 23:56.44 | DarkRevenant | triggers, true to their namesake, triggered the problem |
| 23:56.48 | DarkRevenant | its a problem that only SOME people get |
| 23:56.50 | Mephs | basically. |
| 23:56.59 | DarkRevenant | if it was truly my fault and entirely mine, everyone would have that problem |
| 23:56.59 | Mephs | you're trying to break their engine in a sense |
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| 23:57.07 | DarkRevenant | only about half get the problem |
| 23:57.13 | DarkRevenant | also its just moving some fucking actors according to some math |
| 23:57.18 | DarkRevenant | how is that breaking their engine? |
| 23:57.20 | Mephs | and it has no correlation whatsoever to their gfx card |
| 23:57.32 | Mephs | and its the ONLY map i have ever seen do that |
| 23:57.33 | Mephs | ever |
| 23:57.34 | Technomancer | nolliepoper yeah? |
| 23:57.37 | DarkRevenant | maybe not their graphics card |
| 23:57.37 | Mephs | in 1290481290482190 some maps |
| 23:57.47 | Mephs | so i have good reason to believe its not their error |
| 23:58.00 | DarkRevenant | actually that would explain |
| 23:58.02 | DarkRevenant | pretty well |
| 23:58.07 | DarkRevenant | why the error would exist |
| 23:58.10 | Mephs | so either you're doing something |
| 23:58.11 | DarkRevenant | blizz couldnt have caught it yet |
| 23:58.11 | kaseano | I'm trying to upload a Loading Screen Pic, all it'll let me choose from are Assets and EditorData though, any1 know the path to get my image there |
| 23:58.12 | Mephs | that the engine doesn't like |
| 23:58.14 | DarkRevenant | if this is the first map to do it |
| 23:58.16 | Mephs | and its causing the issue |
| 23:58.18 | DarkRevenant | mephs |
| 23:58.20 | Mephs | or its just straight up something you're overlooking |
| 23:58.22 | Mephs | in your code |
| 23:58.23 | DarkRevenant | it's a while loop |
| 23:58.30 | DarkRevenant | albeit a nested while loop |
| 23:58.32 | Mephs | dont EVER assume its not your fault |
| 23:58.34 | DarkRevenant | but most of those maps have those too |
| 23:58.43 | Mephs | cuz 99.99999999999% of developer bugs are cuz it is |
| 23:58.44 | Mephs | their fault |
| 23:58.49 | DarkRevenant | mephs im not assuming for sure its not my fault |
| 23:58.58 | DarkRevenant | but its very very possible |
| 23:58.59 | DarkRevenant | that it is not |
| 23:59.04 | Mephs | there's always that one line of code you probably overlooked |
| 23:59.09 | DarkRevenant | it might be a combination of my fault and blizzard |
| 23:59.12 | Mephs | that can cause catastrophic errors like that |
| 23:59.15 | DarkRevenant | but i've never come up with a problem that |
| 23:59.19 | Mephs | idk man |
| 23:59.19 | DarkRevenant | has errors for one person |
| 23:59.21 | DarkRevenant | but not the other |
| 23:59.23 | DarkRevenant | in a blizz map |
| 23:59.30 | DarkRevenant | mephs, one line of code |
| 23:59.36 | Mephs | i rather not argue about it for the next 500 hrs tho, thats my perspective here |
| 23:59.38 | DarkRevenant | doesnt cause the fucking terrain to vanish and reappear in one frame |
| 23:59.40 | DarkRevenant | how do you even DO that |
| 23:59.48 | Mephs | we just runnin in circles now |
| 23:59.51 | DarkRevenant | i'm still wondering how the hell it's even accomplished |
| 23:59.58 | DarkRevenant | shit, i'm writing an error report |