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| 00:05.41 | Creation | Is there anyone in here who knows of any tutorials on how to save online unit data and integers which can be recalled? Or that can help me to understand the method of doing it? |
| 00:05.57 | WAR | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v78/xafrobunthx/IMAG0043.jpg |
| 00:05.58 | RedWraith | Creation, you mean using banks? |
| 00:06.06 | WAR | look how much money I make making iphone apps |
| 00:06.12 | RedWraith | WAR, you're a liar. |
| 00:06.16 | RedWraith | You got that from the forums. |
| 00:06.58 | Creation | Yes sir |
| 00:07.12 | Creation | im trying to make an RPG that lets you save your character |
| 00:07.35 | WAR | I doubt that guy makes 200,000$ from making iphone apps |
| 00:07.45 | RedWraith | WAR, does it matter? |
| 00:07.53 | Creation | im very familliar with the editor.. so youre not talking to a noob, but banks are pretty new, I dont dunerstand them |
| 00:07.54 | WAR | Yes because why am I not making this money. |
| 00:07.59 | RedWraith | lol |
| 00:08.09 | RedWraith | I know a guy who made 5k off of War |
| 00:08.11 | RedWraith | the card game |
| 00:09.51 | Creation | RedWraith you still here? |
| 00:10.20 | RedWraith | yes |
| 00:10.28 | RedWraith | No, I don't know anything about banks. |
| 00:10.32 | Creation | Dang. |
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| 00:14.06 | Otixa | any way to preview water in the editor? |
| 00:14.20 | arturusfury | Whatcha need Creation? |
| 00:14.57 | RedWraith | Wait, how is Sentry Scramble popular in Europe? |
| 00:14.58 | RedWraith | lol |
| 00:15.12 | RedWraith | Goddamn Europeans got better taste than US. ;) |
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| 00:19.49 | Blacksoldier | of course |
| 00:19.55 | Blacksoldier | they played my crapmap |
| 00:19.56 | Blacksoldier | ^^ |
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| 00:20.48 | Blacksoldier | btw got the get costs working !!! YEEEHAAAA |
| 00:20.55 | IskatuMesk | Otixa > Place water, edit it |
| 00:21.07 | IskatuMesk | it edits in realtime |
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| 00:21.19 | Resinate | ROFL |
| 00:21.23 | Resinate | thats awesome |
| 00:21.34 | Resinate | when a unit scouts they auto take the beacons LOL |
| 00:21.36 | Blacksoldier | what's awesome? |
| 00:21.52 | Resinate | my medics were ninjing the beacons |
| 00:21.59 | Resinate | even tho the marines are flagged to |
| 00:22.15 | Resinate | pretty much |
| 00:22.23 | Resinate | u have to make sure u have defense on any unit |
| 00:22.49 | Blacksoldier | dont know what ur talking about but... k |
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| 00:23.14 | iMisu | I need some one to test my new anti blocking for my tower defense |
| 00:23.25 | iMisu | Anyone interested in helping me test player 2 slot ? |
| 00:23.26 | RedWraith | iMisu, I made one of those lol |
| 00:23.36 | Otixa | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10032576/SC2/misc/TerrainPractice2.jpg |
| 00:23.37 | Otixa | Cake? |
| 00:23.51 | RedWraith | If you want a copy, I'll give it to you. :P |
| 00:23.58 | RedWraith | Just gotta credit me for it. ;) |
| 00:23.59 | IskatuMesk | iz dat sum depth o feeld |
| 00:24.06 | Otixa | yarly ;D |
| 00:24.09 | iMisu | I dont want your anti block |
| 00:24.14 | iMisu | Cause it wont block anything |
| 00:24.16 | IskatuMesk | I find it breaks particles when displayed against the skybox |
| 00:24.16 | iMisu | lol |
| 00:24.19 | IskatuMesk | but that was with farclip |
| 00:24.37 | Otixa | I set farclip to OVER 9000 |
| 00:24.39 | iMisu | My tower defense doesnt use a unit to place buildings |
| 00:24.41 | IskatuMesk | o geez |
| 00:24.43 | iMisu | It uses effect target |
| 00:24.52 | iMisu | so the anti block is a bit different |
| 00:24.52 | RedWraith | iMisu, that's not a problem? |
| 00:24.54 | IskatuMesk | otherwise it looks good |
| 00:24.58 | iMisu | Just need some help on someone testing it |
| 00:25.06 | RedWraith | I mean, mine triggers on SCV build, but it can be anything. |
| 00:25.18 | RedWraith | any wall configuartion |
| 00:25.24 | iMisu | You mind helping me test ? |
| 00:25.26 | RedWraith | so long as they're 2x2 buildings :P |
| 00:25.30 | RedWraith | naw I gtg in 5 |
| 00:25.33 | iMisu | Ah lame |
| 00:25.38 | iMisu | Some of my buidlings are 1x5 |
| 00:25.51 | RedWraith | mmm |
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| 00:25.54 | RedWraith | you should still read through it |
| 00:26.03 | iMisu | I use 1x1 1x5 2x2 and 3x3 |
| 00:26.14 | RedWraith | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5848688/Anti-Walling%20Algorithm%20By%20RedWraith.SC2Mod |
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| 00:26.28 | iMisu | Ill check it |
| 00:26.29 | iMisu | thanks |
| 00:26.41 | iMisu | Anyone interested in testing with me plz |
| 00:26.53 | iMisu | Only will take like 2-3 min |
| 00:27.37 | IskatuMesk | what server |
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| 00:27.47 | iMisu | NA |
| 00:27.50 | IskatuMesk | ok |
| 00:27.52 | Zanam | evenin mapsters |
| 00:28.07 | arturusfury | what are you testing misu? |
| 00:28.29 | iMisu | advanced anti blocking |
| 00:28.53 | iMisu | iskatumesk |
| 00:28.53 | arturusfury | ya i can |
| 00:28.57 | IskatuMesk | IskatuMesk.571 |
| 00:28.59 | iMisu | Misu.771 |
| 00:29.37 | arturusfury | you got it Mesk? |
| 00:32.13 | Blacksoldier | misu .- eu or us? |
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| 00:32.41 | Blacksoldier | ah na i see |
| 00:32.44 | Blacksoldier | sry im eu |
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| 00:39.38 | Resinate | everyone mass dc? |
| 00:39.42 | Sixen | =o |
| 00:39.58 | Resinate | 9 ppl signed at once lol |
| 00:40.02 | WAR | WHERE CAN I FIND A FUCKING PROGRESS BAR NOT ATTACHED TO A FUCKING LEADERBOARD |
| 00:40.17 | Resinate | in ur pants? |
| 00:44.50 | Resinate | i guess he found it |
| 00:45.43 | Fromethius | unit uses ability build gateway at construct stage |
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| 00:45.47 | Fromethius | hide triggering unit |
| 00:45.53 | Fromethius | unit uses ability build gateway at finish stage |
| 00:45.55 | Fromethius | show triggering unit |
| 00:46.11 | Fromethius | this works fine but if the building is cancled or destroyed the unit does not re-appear |
| 00:46.19 | Fromethius | is there an elegant way to fix this? |
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| 00:47.07 | Fromethius | yes i know of the Hide Worker flag in the build ability but i cannot use it for my purposes |
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| 00:49.14 | PointBlank | anyone know how to make the hyperion (flying) a selectable unit |
| 00:49.22 | PointBlank | i've checked al lthe flags i can find |
| 00:49.30 | PointBlank | but when u mass select it isn't selected |
| 00:49.43 | PointBlank | just like buildings aren't when you select units + buildings |
| 00:49.52 | PointBlank | is there a priority number i'm missing? |
| 00:51.25 | Resinate | EWWW |
| 00:51.29 | Resinate | i got milk in my beard |
| 00:51.37 | Xackery | ewww |
| 00:51.39 | Xackery | you have a beard |
| 00:52.30 | Resinate | i hate having a loose butt |
| 00:52.35 | Resinate | shit tends to fall out |
| 00:53.00 | Vulfe | O_o |
| 00:53.03 | Vulfe | o_O |
| 00:53.05 | Vulfe | o_o |
| 00:53.06 | Vulfe | O_O |
| 00:53.09 | Vulfe | >.> |
| 00:53.10 | Vulfe | <.< |
| 00:53.13 | Vulfe | dies |
| 00:53.33 | Resinate | (*-*) |
| 00:53.37 | Fromethius | i don't remember the last time i got a question answered in here =p |
| 00:53.50 | Resinate | i answered it |
| 00:53.51 | Resinate | lol |
| 00:53.52 | Resinate | and u afked |
| 00:54.04 | Fromethius | nuh uh |
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| 00:54.20 | Fromethius | i see nothing of the sort |
| 00:55.01 | PointBlank | lol yeah i've answered more questions than been given answers |
| 00:55.05 | PointBlank | however i did get one last night |
| 00:55.12 | PointBlank | never knew you could open the campaign files NOOB |
| 00:55.37 | PointBlank | still would like to know why the hyperion isn't group selectable like all other units |
| 00:55.50 | Resinate | LOL |
| 00:55.52 | Resinate | u joking me? |
| 00:56.00 | Resinate | u seriously dont know? |
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| 00:56.33 | ZarafFaraz | Anyone having trouble publishing their map? |
| 00:56.33 | Resinate | point |
| 00:56.38 | Resinate | i give u 5 mins to find it |
| 00:56.45 | Resinate | cuz when i tell where it is ull cry in shame |
| 00:56.49 | ZarafFaraz | I keep on getting a failed upload and the apparent error seems to be: |
| 00:56.50 | Resinate | zara |
| 00:56.50 | Resinate | no |
| 00:57.05 | ZarafFaraz | VALIDATION_WORKING_SET_SCORE_SCREEN_FAIL |
| 00:57.14 | WAR | How do you get rid of a dialog background |
| 00:58.16 | ZarafFaraz | using the trigger Remove background in dialogs |
| 00:58.28 | Resinate | yea |
| 00:58.32 | Resinate | thats under map option |
| 00:58.35 | ZarafFaraz | or Hide |
| 00:58.43 | Resinate | zara |
| 00:58.52 | ZarafFaraz | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:58.57 | ZarafFaraz | yeah? |
| 00:59.05 | Resinate | go back |
| 00:59.11 | Resinate | and fix ur player props |
| 00:59.12 | WAR | Does it get rid of borders too? |
| 00:59.23 | Resinate | to upload |
| 00:59.30 | ZarafFaraz | Yes War |
| 00:59.33 | ZarafFaraz | yeah I'm trying |
| 00:59.49 | ZarafFaraz | the only thing that appears are things inside of the dialog |
| 00:59.56 | PointBlank | Resinate I seriously looked for 30 mins cannot find it |
| 00:59.57 | ZarafFaraz | in this way, you can easily add text to anywhere on the screen |
| 01:00.03 | ZarafFaraz | looked for what? |
| 01:00.14 | Amelie | For the publishing thing, are you using custom game variants? Some stuff in there causes errors. Set controller in particular I think. |
| 01:00.15 | PointBlank | where to make the Hyperion group selectable |
| 01:00.16 | Resinate | point black |
| 01:00.20 | Resinate | to make a unit selectable |
| 01:00.22 | Resinate | goto units |
| 01:00.30 | Resinate | open up the unit name |
| 01:00.37 | Resinate | switch to GUI mode |
| 01:00.42 | Resinate | goto the last tab |
| 01:00.53 | ZarafFaraz | ok thanks Amelie, I'll check it again |
| 01:01.01 | ZarafFaraz | the problem IS with the lobby stuff |
| 01:01.01 | Resinate | ull see 2 panes full of check/uncheck boxes |
| 01:01.07 | ZarafFaraz | just gotta reset it and try my settings again |
| 01:01.08 | Resinate | uncheck the UNSELECTABLE |
| 01:01.17 | Resinate | zara |
| 01:01.17 | PointBlank | it's not checked |
| 01:01.21 | Resinate | u dont have to reset |
| 01:01.31 | PointBlank | and hyperion still isn't group selectable ;) |
| 01:01.42 | Resinate | ... |
| 01:01.50 | PointBlank | I compared the unit flags to all other units and its the same |
| 01:01.50 | Resinate | im my vision is like burry right now |
| 01:02.10 | PointBlank | but when you drag a select box hyperion is the only unit that doesn't get selected |
| 01:02.13 | ZarafFaraz | hey Resinate |
| 01:02.23 | Resinate | ? |
| 01:02.25 | ZarafFaraz | you made your AI in script or triggers? |
| 01:02.29 | Resinate | both |
| 01:02.40 | Resinate | buiildin gunits is scripted |
| 01:02.45 | Resinate | and attack system is triggers |
| 01:02.53 | Syniq | Wanton lesbianism. |
| 01:02.56 | ZarafFaraz | where did you script? in the data editor or trigger editor? |
| 01:03.07 | Resinate | triggers duh |
| 01:03.14 | Resinate | u cant code AI in data editor lOL |
| 01:03.33 | Resinate | for scripting |
| 01:03.36 | Syniq | That is all. |
| 01:03.39 | Resinate | i used mpq editor |
| 01:03.39 | ZarafFaraz | I only see triggers for your AI....no scripting |
| 01:03.42 | Syniq | Resinate: Wanna bet? ;) |
| 01:03.46 | Resinate | thats cuz |
| 01:03.58 | Resinate | btw |
| 01:04.01 | Resinate | why did u rip my map? |
| 01:04.15 | ZarafFaraz | I didn't rip it |
| 01:04.17 | ZarafFaraz | I just opened it |
| 01:04.19 | ZarafFaraz | lol |
| 01:04.21 | Resinate | ? |
| 01:04.24 | Resinate | how |
| 01:04.33 | Resinate | u would have to get the s2ca file |
| 01:04.36 | ZarafFaraz | with my haX0r skills |
| 01:04.44 | Resinate | if ur good lol |
| 01:04.51 | Resinate | ull find the other half of my work XD |
| 01:04.52 | ZarafFaraz | you can open any map from Battle.net |
| 01:04.58 | Resinate | npoe |
| 01:05.00 | Resinate | if its locked |
| 01:05.03 | Resinate | u cant see triggers |
| 01:05.10 | ZarafFaraz | but you can still open it |
| 01:05.16 | ZarafFaraz | is Kaotic Arena locked? |
| 01:05.17 | Resinate | the scripting |
| 01:05.23 | Resinate | u would need an mpq editor for |
| 01:05.35 | Resinate | cuz i use custom trigger libs |
| 01:05.51 | ZarafFaraz | you only have the default libraries |
| 01:05.51 | Resinate | this is how i made AI back in beta |
| 01:05.53 | WAR | You dont need a mpq editor. |
| 01:06.00 | WAR | Galaxy comes with one |
| 01:06.07 | WAR | You save your map as Map Components |
| 01:06.08 | Resinate | u have to change ur map into a folder |
| 01:06.12 | WAR | ya |
| 01:06.13 | Resinate | ea |
| 01:06.16 | Resinate | i dont wanna do that |
| 01:06.36 | Resinate | plus |
| 01:06.41 | Resinate | mpq editor is alot faster |
| 01:06.48 | Resinate | and uncrashable |
| 01:07.12 | Resinate | the build order i did was simple LOL |
| 01:07.27 | Resinate | make 20 marines and 10 medics |
| 01:07.34 | Resinate | if they have reactor |
| 01:07.39 | Resinate | they make adv units |
| 01:08.15 | Resinate | there is one thing thats awesome |
| 01:08.23 | Resinate | my AI upgrades like badass LOL |
| 01:08.28 | ZarafFaraz | in your entire map I see NO custom "scripting"....only triggers |
| 01:09.41 | Syniq | If triggers aren't scfipting, I'm a monkey's chinaman. |
| 01:10.17 | Resinate | WTF |
| 01:10.21 | Resinate | the ai is kiting my units |
| 01:10.59 | Syniq | Wait, I got that simile a bit mised up... |
| 01:11.04 | Syniq | *mixed |
| 01:11.11 | Syniq | *scripting |
| 01:11.17 | Syniq | Man, IRC over GPRS is painful. D: |
| 01:11.40 | Syniq | can't wait for his ADSL to get connected. >.< |
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| 01:13.33 | Resinate | YEP |
| 01:13.40 | Resinate | my ai is finally done |
| 01:13.42 | Resinate | finally |
| 01:13.49 | Resinate | 20+ hours of attack system |
| 01:14.13 | Resinate | now to shut off the vision |
| 01:15.41 | Resinate | i made AI hard enough for ppl to learn my map |
| 01:15.52 | Resinate | ill have job test it later |
| 01:17.55 | Xapti | siphon life ability has been pretyt much compltely removed from the editor right? |
| 01:18.11 | Xapti | i notice it has an icon and a description, but that's about it |
| 01:18.49 | Vulfe | then yes |
| 01:22.29 | Tordecybombo | reset! |
| 01:22.30 | Tordecybombo | ratings |
| 01:22.31 | Tordecybombo | gues what |
| 01:22.33 | Tordecybombo | chickn butt |
| 01:23.05 | Vulfe | ok |
| 01:23.23 | Vulfe | Blizzard's constantly reseting ratings to account for the fact that the popularity system sucks |
| 01:23.25 | Vulfe | temporarily |
| 01:23.28 | Vulfe | good idea imo |
| 01:23.45 | Tordecybombo | wht happened |
| 01:23.47 | Tordecybombo | did blizz reset again |
| 01:23.49 | Tordecybombo | what are they doing!? |
| 01:23.50 | Tordecybombo | argh |
| 01:25.17 | Resinate | ur mom |
| 01:26.51 | Resinate | guys |
| 01:27.03 | Resinate | does anyone know a link for the full south park shows |
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| 01:28.20 | PointBlank | so Resinate, no idea about the selectable thing besides the unit flags? |
| 01:28.46 | Resinate | nope |
| 01:29.04 | PointBlank | damn thx anyway |
| 01:29.45 | Vulfe | okay |
| 01:29.46 | Vulfe | so |
| 01:29.51 | Vulfe | how is everyone doing |
| 01:30.03 | ZarafFaraz | US Bnet had maintenance this morning |
| 01:30.09 | ZarafFaraz | so that's probably when the reset happened |
| 01:30.12 | Vulfe | and why did those guys go and make a tutorial about a less versatile system of the projectiles than the one that I'm using |
| 01:30.13 | Vulfe | :P |
| 01:31.16 | ZarafFaraz | who made a projectile tutorial? |
| 01:31.29 | P_R_Deltoid | ProzaicMuse made one |
| 01:31.36 | P_R_Deltoid | Mostly around movers |
| 01:31.39 | P_R_Deltoid | which is basically projectiles |
| 01:31.53 | P_R_Deltoid | man, there are some really cool looking games visually |
| 01:31.59 | P_R_Deltoid | lots of people doing the 2d look really well |
| 01:32.03 | Vulfe | I'm talking about the one on the front page |
| 01:32.08 | P_R_Deltoid | Shape Wars is pretty cool looking |
| 01:32.13 | ZarafFaraz | where has ProzaicMuse been? I haven't seen him around for awhile |
| 01:32.22 | P_R_Deltoid | Probably doing irl stuff who knows |
| 01:32.27 | Vulfe | probably got a real job |
| 01:32.28 | Vulfe | lol |
| 01:32.39 | P_R_Deltoid | he had one |
| 01:32.44 | P_R_Deltoid | Doing photography or something |
| 01:32.52 | Vulfe | that was like |
| 01:32.53 | Vulfe | part-time |
| 01:32.54 | Vulfe | in his house |
| 01:33.06 | Cryosis | Zanam: you about |
| 01:33.07 | Vulfe | on the side |
| 01:33.37 | ZarafFaraz | ahh good Zanam is online, I had an idea for him |
| 01:33.45 | P_R_Deltoid | oh cool |
| 01:33.52 | P_R_Deltoid | this is the kind of projectile tutorial I was looking for a while ago |
| 01:34.01 | P_R_Deltoid | click'n'shoot |
| 01:34.04 | P_R_Deltoid | nice |
| 01:34.12 | P_R_Deltoid | I forgot why I wanted to do it now though |
| 01:34.13 | P_R_Deltoid | woops |
| 01:35.32 | ZarafFaraz | so apparently setting the Race for each player in Game Variants causes the map to not be publishable |
| 01:38.36 | Resinate | lol zara |
| 01:38.39 | Resinate | u know why |
| 01:39.50 | Resinate | it when u set the race in player props and set them again in vars |
| 01:39.55 | Resinate | they cancel each other out |
| 01:40.05 | Resinate | so what i do is set the race to ANY in players |
| 01:40.09 | Resinate | so the vars can lock it |
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| 01:41.09 | ZarafFaraz | ahhh |
| 01:42.12 | Resinate | odd winamp wont start |
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| 01:44.19 | Vulfe | anyone have any cool ideas for me? |
| 01:44.22 | Vulfe | on my map? |
| 01:44.29 | Vulfe | physics arena-thing x.x |
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| 01:45.00 | Blacksoldier | YEAH GERMAN SONGS OWNS xDDDD http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoidJVAMAVE sorry... im a bit retro atm ^^ |
| 01:45.20 | ZarafFaraz | what map? |
| 01:45.45 | ZarafFaraz | Vulfe ideas for what map? |
| 01:46.53 | Vulfe | my map. |
| 01:47.04 | ZarafFaraz | yes, and which map is that? |
| 01:47.05 | Vulfe | Its development name is spellots |
| 01:47.07 | ZarafFaraz | do you have a demo? |
| 01:47.12 | Vulfe | there's an early alpha version on mapster |
| 01:47.18 | Vulfe | which is kind of a PoC |
| 01:47.22 | ZarafFaraz | link |
| 01:47.36 | Vulfe | http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/spellots-alpha/ |
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| 01:47.54 | Vulfe | it has like |
| 01:47.57 | Vulfe | one minor bug |
| 01:47.59 | Vulfe | but I don't really care |
| 01:48.00 | Vulfe | anyway |
| 01:48.13 | Vulfe | it's going to have many classes and objective-based game-modes |
| 01:48.18 | Vulfe | that one arena is really just for testing things |
| 01:48.21 | iMisu | Anyone here that is decently knowledgeable about triggers here. I am about to rip my hair out. |
| 01:48.25 | Vulfe | me |
| 01:48.27 | Vulfe | hit me up |
| 01:48.40 | iMisu | I have some very nice anti block pathing I made |
| 01:48.48 | iMisu | took about 6 hours to make it |
| 01:48.59 | iMisu | Now that I have it working for 1 player flawlessly |
| 01:49.07 | iMisu | I cant get it to work for another player |
| 01:49.18 | Vulfe | O_O |
| 01:49.19 | ZarafFaraz | did you specify players at any time in your triggers? |
| 01:49.20 | Vulfe | wtf |
| 01:49.21 | iMisu | Have you Teamviewer and a few minutes to spare? |
| 01:49.34 | Vulfe | unfortunately, I don't have editor |
| 01:49.34 | Vulfe | lol |
| 01:49.46 | iMisu | O.o |
| 01:49.49 | ZarafFaraz | Vulfe, so how does your map work ? some kind of combo spell type thing? |
| 01:49.59 | Vulfe | just projectile-based spells |
| 01:50.02 | Vulfe | with ground target |
| 01:50.03 | iMisu | Vulfe |
| 01:50.05 | Vulfe | along with other abilities |
| 01:50.07 | Vulfe | yarr? |
| 01:50.10 | iMisu | Teamviewer? |
| 01:50.13 | Vulfe | wtf is that |
| 01:50.16 | Vulfe | in other words, no |
| 01:50.27 | iMisu | A program use to present over the internet |
| 01:50.30 | Vulfe | ah |
| 01:50.31 | Vulfe | well |
| 01:50.32 | Zanam | I am here now Cryosis and Zaraffaraz, but not for long |
| 01:50.35 | Vulfe | I have shit bandwidth |
| 01:50.36 | ZarafFaraz | hey Zanam |
| 01:50.38 | Vulfe | and this computer isn't mine |
| 01:50.39 | Vulfe | lol |
| 01:50.47 | Vulfe | (laptop fried itself) |
| 01:50.48 | ZarafFaraz | you know how in your voice clips, you have each of the colors named? |
| 01:50.48 | iMisu | 28.8 Modem will work fine |
| 01:50.55 | ZarafFaraz | Blue player has been eliminated |
| 01:50.55 | Zanam | yeah |
| 01:51.02 | Vulfe | Well, the thing is Misu |
| 01:51.07 | Blacksoldier | too much trigger for pastebin them? |
| 01:51.13 | P_R_Deltoid | man |
| 01:51.18 | P_R_Deltoid | there are some impressive mechanics coming out |
| 01:51.19 | P_R_Deltoid | like |
| 01:51.20 | Vulfe | that your problem is either caused by a stupid mistake which you can find yourself, or too complex for me to solve |
| 01:51.21 | ZarafFaraz | did you record JUST the color separately or copies of each phrase for the various colors? |
| 01:51.23 | P_R_Deltoid | concept games |
| 01:51.29 | Vulfe | so either way, I'm not sure there's much I can do |
| 01:51.34 | iMisu | Lol ok |
| 01:51.37 | Vulfe | and I have statistics homework |
| 01:51.38 | Vulfe | x.x |
| 01:51.39 | P_R_Deltoid | I am really impressed, I hope most of these people release the source |
| 01:51.52 | Vulfe | you seen my map |
| 01:51.54 | Vulfe | deltoid? |
| 01:52.06 | iMisu | Anyone else that can help with triggers? |
| 01:52.16 | Vulfe | feel free to take a peek http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/spellots-alpha/ |
| 01:52.17 | ZarafFaraz | what I'm thinking is that if you lock the colors, then you only need to deal with 4 colors for your voices |
| 01:52.18 | Vulfe | anyway |
| 01:52.19 | Vulfe | statistics |
| 01:52.20 | Blacksoldier | is there a way to set the unvunerable flag with behaviours/effects? |
| 01:52.26 | P_R_Deltoid | Vulfe, what map |
| 01:52.28 | P_R_Deltoid | oh |
| 01:52.36 | P_R_Deltoid | we'll seeeee |
| 01:52.38 | ZarafFaraz | since you only have 4 players max, just have something like Red, Blue, Green and Yellow for players |
| 01:52.56 | ZarafFaraz | and then you only need those voices and not all of the other colors like Teal and such |
| 01:52.56 | iMisu | Blacksoldier you set units under region to invulnerable |
| 01:52.58 | P_R_Deltoid | looks kinda like warlock |
| 01:53.13 | ZarafFaraz | it would reduce your map size by eliminating the extra color speech |
| 01:53.44 | Zanam | zaraffaraz, there is no way to my knowledge to eliminate the options to pick those colors, but I implemented in a smart way. Just the name is recorded, ala 'Red player' and then a seperate file 'has been eliminated' |
| 01:53.46 | Vulfe | fuck I forgot to get my stat book |
| 01:53.46 | Vulfe | well |
| 01:53.48 | Vulfe | there goes that plan |
| 01:54.03 | Vulfe | Deltoid: It's based on someone's shitty attempt at a warlocks remake |
| 01:54.04 | Vulfe | lol |
| 01:54.09 | ZarafFaraz | Zanam, you can LOCK colors |
| 01:54.11 | Vulfe | but the gameplay will be much different anyway |
| 01:54.20 | ZarafFaraz | in the Player Properties or Game Variants |
| 01:54.21 | Vulfe | class-based, team modes, etc |
| 01:54.26 | ZarafFaraz | then people can't choose their colors |
| 01:54.36 | Blacksoldier | hmm what do ya mean with that imisu? atm i just edited the guardian shield from protoss to block all damage... but that doesnt set the flag for 2 seconds |
| 01:54.40 | Zanam | also zaraffaraz, the file size for those announcements are minimal. Most of the file size comes from the homemade background music, that's about 2.5 mb |
| 01:54.48 | ZarafFaraz | ok |
| 01:54.50 | P_R_Deltoid | I like this technicaly stuff coming out though |
| 01:54.53 | P_R_Deltoid | like not for the idea |
| 01:54.57 | P_R_Deltoid | but just to know that it's possible |
| 01:55.04 | iMisu | soldier come in ventrilo |
| 01:55.07 | Cryosis | Zanam: darn, I wanted tot ry that map :P |
| 01:55.07 | iMisu | I will explain |
| 01:55.08 | P_R_Deltoid | drawing big squares on the map, or 2d games, or the dungeon keeper tech demo |
| 01:55.16 | Zanam | Cryosis, it's public, last I checked it was on page 4 |
| 01:55.18 | Blacksoldier | k |
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| 01:55.26 | Cryosis | Zanam: what's it called? |
| 01:55.27 | P_R_Deltoid | It's nice to know that in the future there will be a lot of high quality shit that will be very similar to a lot of other games that I really enjoy |
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| 01:55.30 | Zanam | Shape Wars |
| 01:55.34 | Cryosis | oh ok |
| 01:55.36 | Cryosis | thanks! |
| 01:55.39 | Zanam | enjoy :P |
| 01:55.40 | Zanam | be warned |
| 01:55.42 | Vulfe | yay for tech demos |
| 01:55.45 | P_R_Deltoid | If that dude who made the dungeon keeper map releases that, I am gonna jizz so hard. |
| 01:55.49 | Vulfe | and re-figuring things out from wc3 |
| 01:55.53 | Vulfe | (warlocks) |
| 01:55.53 | P_R_Deltoid | gonna get working on evil genius like immediately. |
| 01:55.54 | Vulfe | lol |
| 01:55.55 | Blacksoldier | i hear ya |
| 01:55.56 | Zanam | you do get the b.net kiddies that quit after losing the first round and make things unfun |
| 01:55.56 | Blacksoldier | wait |
| 01:56.03 | Blacksoldier | i try to get my headset working |
| 01:56.15 | Zanam | which is sad, because I've seen some serious comebacks in that map |
| 01:57.14 | Vulfe | So if anyone has any cool ideas for spells |
| 01:57.17 | Vulfe | PM VulfeSC on forums |
| 01:57.18 | Vulfe | that is all |
| 01:57.20 | Vulfe | <3 |
| 01:57.47 | Zanam | Also to any shape wars fans out there with graphic artist skills, looking for a loading screen designer. |
| 01:58.48 | Cryosis | eh I would but I'm not up for special projects right now :P |
| 01:59.21 | P_R_Deltoid | Zanam, you are the shape wars creator? |
| 01:59.31 | P_R_Deltoid | oh |
| 01:59.33 | P_R_Deltoid | that you are, look at that |
| 01:59.43 | P_R_Deltoid | how does your map system work, if I may ask |
| 02:00.07 | Zanam | what do you mean, how the arenas are spawned? |
| 02:00.25 | P_R_Deltoid | how you have it graphically respresented in a 2d plane with collision. |
| 02:01.19 | Zanam | well it's still a 3d plane, if you zoom with the wheel mouse, it will switch over to the normal melee camera, giving you a 3d look at a 2d environment. the walls are simply units with 1x1 pathing footprints |
| 02:01.34 | P_R_Deltoid | they are square block models? |
| 02:01.37 | Zanam | yup |
| 02:01.41 | P_R_Deltoid | Oh, cool |
| 02:01.42 | P_R_Deltoid | looks nice |
| 02:01.54 | Zanam | the hard part is figuring out the perfect size to scale them to, too small and there will be gaps, too big and you get tearing in between them |
| 02:02.02 | P_R_Deltoid | How do you make the camera go back to directly overheard |
| 02:02.10 | P_R_Deltoid | if someone fiddles with it |
| 02:02.23 | P_R_Deltoid | and is the ground just a black terrain texture? |
| 02:02.23 | Zanam | just a trigger, sets the camera object angle of attack |
| 02:02.37 | P_R_Deltoid | what is the event though? |
| 02:02.41 | P_R_Deltoid | Typing -reset or something |
| 02:02.42 | P_R_Deltoid | ? |
| 02:02.49 | Zanam | dialog button on the left, above the minimap |
| 02:02.53 | P_R_Deltoid | aw, okay |
| 02:02.55 | Zanam | the ground is nonexistant, removed all terrain tiles. Next version there will be a really awesome looking animated background to go with it |
| 02:03.02 | P_R_Deltoid | Fancy |
| 02:03.08 | P_R_Deltoid | and potential headache inducing. |
| 02:03.26 | Zanam | i hope not :P a third party is working on it for me, once that is finished, the next version should be ready to be posted. |
| 02:03.43 | P_R_Deltoid | you entered in the blizz map contest with it, right? |
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| 02:04.17 | Zanam | correct |
| 02:04.28 | Zanam | the version currently on b.net is the direct submission |
| 02:04.40 | P_R_Deltoid | Did that contest have more than 1st place? |
| 02:04.43 | P_R_Deltoid | Reward wise |
| 02:04.57 | Zanam | i wish i could have gotten this kind of feedback prior to launching though, getting so many good ideas and suggestions |
| 02:05.03 | Zanam | 3 equal grand prize winners I believe |
| 02:05.28 | P_R_Deltoid | Welp, map looks cool. You ever gonna release how you render maps? |
| 02:05.34 | P_R_Deltoid | + |
| 02:05.41 | Vulfe|videos | render? |
| 02:05.43 | Zanam | i really have no expectations of winning it, I made something I felt I would want to play, that had something different to offer |
| 02:05.43 | Vulfe|videos | O_O |
| 02:05.52 | P_R_Deltoid | errr, woops. I saw you said it had a potential map index of like |
| 02:05.52 | Vulfe|videos | SC2Casual |
| 02:05.54 | Vulfe|videos | all the wa |
| 02:05.54 | P_R_Deltoid | over a 1000 |
| 02:05.55 | Vulfe|videos | way* |
| 02:05.56 | Vulfe|videos | lol |
| 02:06.07 | P_R_Deltoid | most of the maps submitted look kinda bad |
| 02:06.10 | P_R_Deltoid | Zone Control looks nice |
| 02:06.19 | Zanam | potential, yes. Only 17 currently. But if I had 1000 different arenas, it could support them all without increasing file size much |
| 02:06.46 | Vulfe|videos | just trigger-made? |
| 02:06.47 | P_R_Deltoid | Seems like you got a pretty effecient system there for generating/storing that kinda thing, you ever gonna show it off? |
| 02:06.48 | Vulfe|videos | with premade coordinates? |
| 02:07.06 | Zanam | next version will have a link to the new forum i made for it, where people can submit new arenas to me. You could have "most awesome map ever by PR Deltoid" said by the announcer if you want :P |
| 02:07.13 | P_R_Deltoid | see, I think storing hundreds of coords per map layout would cause the filesize to go up quite quick, so perhaps he has another method. |
| 02:07.26 | P_R_Deltoid | I ain't the kinda guy who is "creative" |
| 02:07.29 | Vulfe|videos | storing constants |
| 02:07.30 | Vulfe|videos | doesn't take |
| 02:07.32 | Vulfe|videos | anything |
| 02:07.33 | Vulfe|videos | basically |
| 02:07.39 | Zanam | My god, that would be a pain, storing so many coords. No, I used a trick I learned from my college Python class. old unused language, still learned a trick or two |
| 02:07.40 | P_R_Deltoid | coord are big variables |
| 02:07.49 | Vulfe|videos | you can probably get away with integers |
| 02:07.50 | P_R_Deltoid | hundreds per map, thousands of maps, a lot of variables, large file size. |
| 02:07.53 | Vulfe|videos | if it's 1x1 blockers |
| 02:08.01 | P_R_Deltoid | I suppose youc ould |
| 02:08.03 | Vulfe|videos | which I think is the point |
| 02:08.20 | Vulfe|videos | 1000 integers for an arena (500 blockers) is like... a few KB? |
| 02:08.22 | Zanam | would you be shocked if I said it was one element of one array per map |
| 02:08.34 | Vulfe|videos | not particularly |
| 02:08.41 | P_R_Deltoid | I am. |
| 02:08.44 | Vulfe|videos | if you made a struct O_O |
| 02:08.45 | P_R_Deltoid | :o <--- me. |
| 02:08.50 | P_R_Deltoid | oh yeah if you cheated |
| 02:09.03 | P_R_Deltoid | which, if you made a struct, I consider cheating. |
| 02:09.15 | Vulfe|videos | lol |
| 02:09.20 | Vulfe|videos | structs are useful x.x |
| 02:09.22 | Zanam | It's a string. WBBBBBBBBBBBBBBW makes a wall on the left side, wall on the right side, blank space in between. a comma seperates lines |
| 02:09.32 | Vulfe|videos | that's cool |
| 02:09.32 | Zanam | pretty simple actually |
| 02:09.36 | P_R_Deltoid | aw, alright |
| 02:09.39 | Vulfe|videos | idk how much more efficient it is than using points |
| 02:09.41 | P_R_Deltoid | you have a seperate parser for images |
| 02:09.53 | P_R_Deltoid | I see you said you could make any bitmap into a map |
| 02:10.03 | P_R_Deltoid | or, convert it, do you automate that or do it by hand? |
| 02:10.13 | Zanam | that i wrote a program for. scans a screen and records white pixels to W, black pixels to B, etc. |
| 02:10.20 | P_R_Deltoid | Right right |
| 02:10.22 | P_R_Deltoid | Cool |
| 02:10.24 | P_R_Deltoid | Good work :> |
| 02:10.33 | Vulfe|videos | Zanam: That's sexy |
| 02:10.47 | Zanam | Once i get some people posting some arenas for me, I'll record a video on exactly how I do it |
| 02:10.55 | P_R_Deltoid | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/tutorials/11552-abilities-wont-work/ |
| 02:10.58 | P_R_Deltoid | God damn |
| 02:11.01 | P_R_Deltoid | I wish I was a mod |
| 02:11.12 | P_R_Deltoid | the amount of random shitposting on sc2 mapster is incredible |
| 02:11.25 | Zanam | Be back in a bit folks |
| 02:11.32 | P_R_Deltoid | Cya later. |
| 02:11.38 | Vulfe|videos | Lol |
| 02:11.42 | Vulfe|videos | Deltoid |
| 02:11.43 | Vulfe|videos | for real |
| 02:11.58 | P_R_Deltoid | And the new organization of forums is awful, why is Project Workplace under Resources |
| 02:12.00 | P_R_Deltoid | how does that make any sense |
| 02:12.09 | Vulfe | idk |
| 02:12.22 | P_R_Deltoid | I get the feeling the person who organized this shit doesn't actually read any of these forums |
| 02:12.32 | P_R_Deltoid | and just read "workplace" and put it under Resources. |
| 02:12.42 | Vulfe | lol |
| 02:12.58 | Vulfe | I wonder if I'm going to actually join Xenrathe's team |
| 02:12.59 | Vulfe | for real |
| 02:13.00 | Vulfe | x.x |
| 02:13.35 | P_R_Deltoid | What are they wokring on? |
| 02:13.47 | ZarafFaraz | what is Xenrathe's team making? |
| 02:13.55 | P_R_Deltoid | BEAT YOU |
| 02:14.04 | ZarafFaraz | that you did |
| 02:14.07 | ZarafFaraz | here's a cookie |
| 02:14.26 | Vulfe | his team (him) is making a turn-based strategy game |
| 02:14.30 | P_R_Deltoid | I am a diabetic, are you trying to kill me |
| 02:14.30 | Vulfe | for single player or co-op |
| 02:14.32 | P_R_Deltoid | ? |
| 02:14.39 | P_R_Deltoid | oh, like a grid? |
| 02:14.42 | Vulfe | gives deltoid insulin |
| 02:14.43 | Vulfe | yes |
| 02:14.56 | P_R_Deltoid | Cool |
| 02:15.00 | Vulfe | I asked if anyone wanted help, and since I'm okay at mapping and actually productive |
| 02:15.08 | Vulfe | I guess he seemed interested |
| 02:15.09 | Vulfe | x.x |
| 02:15.09 | ZarafFaraz | I'm looking for help on my map |
| 02:15.21 | ZarafFaraz | http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/smash-tv-2010/ |
| 02:15.26 | Vulfe | ahhh yes |
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| 02:16.08 | P_R_Deltoid | How do you render those numbers and hexigons on the ground? |
| 02:17.29 | Vulfe | smash TV |
| 02:17.29 | Vulfe | XD |
| 02:17.29 | Vulfe | the opening cinematic for that |
| 02:17.29 | Vulfe | is pretty cool |
| 02:17.29 | ZarafFaraz | thanks |
| 02:17.29 | Vulfe | is that going to be a single-player spiel? |
| 02:17.29 | ZarafFaraz | no |
| 02:17.30 | ZarafFaraz | up to 8 players |
| 02:17.30 | Vulfe | hmm |
| 02:17.30 | ZarafFaraz | that's why there are 8 spots in the cinematic lol |
| 02:17.30 | Vulfe | how are you going to do the movement? |
| 02:17.30 | ZarafFaraz | I would do WASD if it didn't suck so much on bnet, so it's mouse clicks |
| 02:17.30 | Vulfe | i figured just as much |
| 02:17.30 | ZarafFaraz | unfortunately, the game won't be as arcade as the original |
| 02:17.30 | Vulfe | that's okay |
| 02:17.30 | Vulfe | I mean |
| 02:17.30 | ZarafFaraz | it'll be more about killing mass of units and upgrading your heroes |
| 02:17.30 | Vulfe | nobody wants just straight-up reproductions anyway |
| 02:17.30 | Vulfe | otherwise the tetris map would be super-popular |
| 02:17.30 | ZarafFaraz | well CreamyT is already working on an arcade version |
| 02:17.30 | ZarafFaraz | so I'll leave that style to him |
| 02:17.40 | ZarafFaraz | part of the terrain |
| 02:17.41 | ZarafFaraz | doodad |
| 02:17.47 | Vulfe | lol |
| 02:17.50 | Vulfe | decals? |
| 02:17.51 | Vulfe | :D |
| 02:18.00 | ZarafFaraz | could be lol |
| 02:18.07 | ZarafFaraz | onetwo helped me with the terrain for that part |
| 02:18.10 | ZarafFaraz | and he added those in |
| 02:18.11 | Vulfe | Decal is the most useful doodad |
| 02:18.12 | Vulfe | ever |
| 02:18.25 | ZarafFaraz | Vulfe, how are you with the data editor? |
| 02:18.30 | Vulfe | pretty good |
| 02:18.32 | Vulfe | not excellent |
| 02:18.44 | ZarafFaraz | would you be interesting in joining me on the Smash TV map? |
| 02:18.44 | Vulfe | don't have a computer here right now |
| 02:18.46 | Vulfe | with sc2 x.x |
| 02:18.55 | Vulfe | before I figure things out with Xenrathe |
| 02:18.59 | Vulfe | I think it's better not to commit |
| 02:19.09 | P_R_Deltoid | Decal, eh |
| 02:19.12 | P_R_Deltoid | hmmm |
| 02:19.12 | Vulfe | since I'm working on my own warlocks semi-remake as well |
| 02:19.17 | ZarafFaraz | ok, but the interest is there? |
| 02:19.17 | Vulfe | it has like 24 variations |
| 02:19.18 | Vulfe | deltoid |
| 02:19.21 | Vulfe | Sure |
| 02:19.26 | ZarafFaraz | ok |
| 02:20.01 | ZarafFaraz | man, why the hell is that terrible TD so high up in popularity |
| 02:20.04 | ZarafFaraz | it's sooooo bad |
| 02:20.09 | Vulfe | because it has TD in the name |
| 02:20.25 | Vulfe | lol |
| 02:20.27 | ZarafFaraz | there are other TDs that are far better, but they aren't up there |
| 02:20.39 | Vulfe | That crappy one has been around since beta |
| 02:20.42 | Vulfe | and people don't look hard |
| 02:21.39 | ZarafFaraz | I finally got my lobby the way I want it and no longer all messed up |
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| 02:23.49 | Zanam | Anyone know the secret to getting hero units to show up properly in the hero pane? One bug that I never could figure out in shape wars is the first base you get has the hero icon, but no bases you create later gain the icon |
| 02:24.06 | Resinate | u mean the icon? |
| 02:24.09 | P_R_Deltoid | Why are any of the maps on the top 10-20 p there? People are idiots. |
| 02:24.11 | P_R_Deltoid | That is why. |
| 02:24.19 | P_R_Deltoid | At least Infection and some other worthwhile games are breaking through |
| 02:24.23 | Vulfe | because the wc3 lobby system is better |
| 02:24.29 | P_R_Deltoid | passed something + "wars" or something "td" |
| 02:24.48 | P_R_Deltoid | no offense to shape wars |
| 02:24.48 | Vulfe | I'm hoping the system changes by the time of my map beta release |
| 02:24.48 | P_R_Deltoid | :x |
| 02:24.49 | Vulfe | in like |
| 02:24.50 | Zanam | resinate, yes |
| 02:24.50 | Vulfe | months x.x |
| 02:24.52 | P_R_Deltoid | but seriously |
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| 02:25.20 | ZarafFaraz | when is that patch 1.1 suppose to be happening? |
| 02:25.27 | Fromethius | after gsl |
| 02:25.34 | ZarafFaraz | gsl? |
| 02:25.51 | Creation | anyone know how to make units glow like the preservers? |
| 02:26.07 | P_R_Deltoid | preservers... |
| 02:26.14 | P_R_Deltoid | I feel like this should be ringing a bell |
| 02:26.26 | ZarafFaraz | check the unit in the data editor to see if it has some kind of "glow" property or something attached to it |
| 02:26.26 | Creation | its a protoss unit that glows blue |
| 02:26.29 | Creation | ground unit |
| 02:26.35 | P_R_Deltoid | glows... blue |
| 02:26.38 | P_R_Deltoid | preserver |
| 02:26.38 | ZarafFaraz | the mineral and gas drops have a glow thing with it |
| 02:26.41 | P_R_Deltoid | glows blue |
| 02:26.50 | P_R_Deltoid | was that the one mission where you fight the hybrid? |
| 02:26.56 | Creation | oh yeah |
| 02:26.59 | P_R_Deltoid | the 1 named hybrid who runs down the center? |
| 02:27.01 | WAR | WTF. |
| 02:27.18 | WAR | How does mapl ike Battlecrusier War and StarForge - Blood Sport make it ever to the first page |
| 02:27.20 | WAR | this is gay as shit |
| 02:27.27 | ZarafFaraz | are you sure it's called a Perserver? |
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| 02:27.32 | ZarafFaraz | I can't find anything called that |
| 02:27.36 | Creation | yeah |
| 02:27.36 | P_R_Deltoid | I can't think of what unit he talking about |
| 02:27.50 | ZarafFaraz | the Hybrid that drains the energy of those things? |
| 02:27.55 | ZarafFaraz | or those things themselves? |
| 02:27.58 | Creation | "Preserver" |
| 02:28.09 | P_R_Deltoid | saying the name doesn't realy help |
| 02:28.11 | ZarafFaraz | ahh |
| 02:28.18 | Creation | spell check lol |
| 02:28.31 | Creation | therees A B and C |
| 02:29.01 | P_R_Deltoid | these are the guys from that zeratul mission |
| 02:29.04 | P_R_Deltoid | I am fairlty certain |
| 02:29.09 | WAR | How does mapl ike Battlecrusier War and StarForge - Blood Sport make it ever to the first page |
| 02:29.09 | WAR | this is gay as shit |
| 02:29.27 | SuraklinSC2 | Because gay people like gay shit? |
| 02:29.29 | SuraklinSC2 | shrugs. |
| 02:29.34 | P_R_Deltoid | Okay, so what blue glow are you refering to |
| 02:29.34 | Blacksoldier | gn8 dudes |
| 02:29.47 | P_R_Deltoid | The steam thing? |
| 02:30.01 | Vulfe | Creation: Unless there's a model you can find for generic texture effects (like cloaking has), then I doubt you can do it |
| 02:30.18 | Vulfe | because cloaking works on everything x.x |
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| 02:30.26 | Creation | yeah heh |
| 02:30.31 | iMisu | Anyone that has a few minutes to spare want to help me with a trigger that could make the pope angry enough to rip down the empire state building ? |
| 02:30.42 | Creation | ive definately seen a couple maps where people make Zeratul glow in the same manner |
| 02:30.53 | arturusfury | lol, which one misu? |
| 02:30.54 | Vulfe | well, if they do |
| 02:30.57 | Vulfe | then find the model :D |
| 02:31.01 | Creation | hehe |
| 02:31.08 | iMisu | Eh its actually 3 that I made |
| 02:31.10 | Creation | Hey I got one more question for the peanut gallery |
| 02:31.15 | iMisu | But there is something seriously wrong with the 2nd one |
| 02:31.20 | Vulfe | either that or just search preserver in the actors with the campaign dependencies loaded |
| 02:31.21 | Vulfe | <3 |
| 02:31.21 | Creation | anyone here a bank expert? for storing unit and integer data? |
| 02:31.23 | Fromethius | i cannot load any more webpages and irc is just barely maintaing a connection |
| 02:31.25 | iMisu | it acts like its not even running |
| 02:31.29 | Fromethius | my internet just died |
| 02:31.40 | Vulfe | I know CPR! |
| 02:31.41 | Creation | checking on that right now vulfe, but cant find anyt glow properties |
| 02:31.41 | Fromethius | ie: who needs help? |
| 02:31.45 | arturusfury | have you put text messages in it to find out where it's at? |
| 02:31.47 | Fromethius | ok |
| 02:31.50 | Vulfe | rushes to Fromethius' computer |
| 02:32.08 | Vulfe | well, Creation |
| 02:32.09 | P_R_Deltoid | the steam is attached to the model |
| 02:32.12 | Vulfe | if it can be done, there must be a model for it |
| 02:32.15 | Vulfe | O_O |
| 02:32.16 | P_R_Deltoid | as far as I can see, if we are talking about the same "glow" |
| 02:32.41 | Vulfe | I think he means the glowing effect on the texture |
| 02:33.09 | P_R_Deltoid | I can't figure out what glow that is... |
| 02:33.17 | P_R_Deltoid | maybe my settings are too low |
| 02:33.59 | Vulfe | perhaps |
| 02:34.22 | Creation | well |
| 02:34.24 | Vulfe | O_o |
| 02:34.25 | Creation | doesnt look like it |
| 02:34.37 | Vulfe | have you searched in the model assets? |
| 02:34.44 | Creation | I cant find anything in the model, actor or unit section for it |
| 02:34.49 | Vulfe | ah |
| 02:34.53 | Creation | At least nothing obvious |
| 02:34.55 | Vulfe | it might just be part of the preserver model |
| 02:34.56 | Creation | might be buried |
| 02:35.00 | Creation | yeah |
| 02:35.02 | Creation | that too |
| 02:35.08 | Vulfe | I think it is |
| 02:35.13 | Vulfe | because if you look at it in the previewer |
| 02:35.15 | Vulfe | it has that glow |
| 02:35.22 | Creation | true |
| 02:35.33 | Creation | Oh well |
| 02:35.39 | Vulfe | if it were done through a separate model, that wouldn't be the case |
| 02:35.41 | Creation | looks like I'll have to have it glowing in my map |
| 02:35.44 | P_R_Deltoid | I can't remember zeratul glowing either @_@ |
| 02:35.50 | Creation | zeratul doesnt glow |
| 02:35.52 | Vulfe | however, you could always try tinting the cloak effect or something though |
| 02:36.00 | P_R_Deltoid | you said people have done it before |
| 02:36.01 | P_R_Deltoid | oh |
| 02:36.05 | P_R_Deltoid | I am kinda dumb sorry |
| 02:36.09 | Creation | Nah I need the cloak effect to remain as is |
| 02:36.15 | Vulfe | well |
| 02:36.16 | P_R_Deltoid | there is a glow actor effect |
| 02:36.21 | Vulfe | cloak is handled by an actor, Creation |
| 02:36.22 | P_R_Deltoid | that they use in the cinematics |
| 02:36.23 | P_R_Deltoid | I dunno |
| 02:36.27 | Vulfe | you can make a new actor with the same model |
| 02:36.28 | Creation | and I dont know how to make abilities from sratch |
| 02:36.31 | Creation | Oh it is? |
| 02:36.32 | Vulfe | and use events to do something |
| 02:36.43 | P_R_Deltoid | It is what? Glow? |
| 02:36.52 | P_R_Deltoid | It's shimmery, like items in Bioshock |
| 02:36.58 | Creation | Where can I modify cloak properties at? |
| 02:37.03 | P_R_Deltoid | Oh |
| 02:37.04 | P_R_Deltoid | that |
| 02:37.12 | Creation | visual properties |
| 02:37.13 | Vulfe | there should be an actor for the cloaking texture thing |
| 02:37.18 | Vulfe | but I don't have the editor on this computer |
| 02:37.23 | Vulfe | so I can't confirm anything atm |
| 02:37.23 | Vulfe | lol |
| 02:37.26 | Creation | haha |
| 02:37.32 | Creation | hmmm ill look |
| 02:38.40 | Vulfe | Anyone have any ideas for map-based objects in my warlocks-ish game? |
| 02:38.50 | Vulfe | I'm going to have obelisks in this CTF arena that can be hit around |
| 02:38.54 | Vulfe | and kill people and stuff |
| 02:38.55 | Vulfe | O_O |
| 02:39.25 | Creation | going back into the editor |
| 02:39.28 | Creation | thanks for the help |
| 02:39.35 | P_R_Deltoid | map based objects... |
| 02:39.37 | P_R_Deltoid | like... |
| 02:39.44 | P_R_Deltoid | just doodads or stuff that is interactable |
| 02:41.15 | Vulfe | interactable |
| 02:41.17 | Vulfe | obviously |
| 02:41.23 | Vulfe | :P |
| 02:42.07 | P_R_Deltoid | I don't consider obelisks to be interactable |
| 02:42.14 | P_R_Deltoid | they just kinda sit there |
| 02:42.43 | Vulfe | you can hit them around |
| 02:42.47 | Vulfe | with physical power |
| 02:42.50 | Vulfe | not very much at a time |
| 02:42.55 | Vulfe | put still move them nonetheless |
| 02:43.23 | Vulfe | but* |
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| 02:43.39 | P_R_Deltoid | that is kinda cool, if it's what I think it is |
| 02:43.45 | P_R_Deltoid | like a movable shield? |
| 02:43.51 | Creation | oh i got one more question |
| 02:43.53 | Vulfe | well |
| 02:44.04 | ZarafFaraz | Did you guys see the Dungeon Keeper PoC video? |
| 02:44.05 | Vulfe | the ones in this map so far are like weapons of a sort |
| 02:44.10 | Creation | can ability color be changed? like can i have a void ray shoot a green beam instead of blue? |
| 02:44.14 | Vulfe | in that you can use them to deny zones |
| 02:44.26 | Vulfe | Creation: if you tint the model with actor events |
| 02:44.31 | Vulfe | also! |
| 02:44.35 | Vulfe | I've seen local tint color! |
| 02:44.39 | Vulfe | But I have no idea how it's done |
| 02:44.40 | Vulfe | O_O |
| 02:44.43 | Creation | whats that? |
| 02:44.47 | RainGame | ive always had problems with tints |
| 02:44.55 | RainGame | they seem to react strangely |
| 02:44.55 | Vulfe | one player sees the tint, others don't |
| 02:44.57 | Vulfe | that's what it is |
| 02:44.59 | Vulfe | : \ |
| 02:45.03 | Creation | ah thats cool |
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| 02:45.16 | ZarafFaraz | in the Dungeon Keeper video, he mentions that all of the red and brown blocks are actors and not units. Does that mean it's possible to show the model of a unit without actually creating the unit? |
| 02:45.17 | P_R_Deltoid | Creation, could you take a quick screen of the "glow" you are referring to |
| 02:45.29 | Vulfe | Unfortunately, tint color works subtractively on textures, so it's not exactly the best-looking thing |
| 02:45.30 | Vulfe | lol |
| 02:45.30 | Triceron | Ahoy mateys |
| 02:45.38 | Vulfe | ahoy! |
| 02:45.39 | Vulfe | triceron |
| 02:45.40 | Vulfe | O_O |
| 02:45.47 | Creation | vulfe what do you mean by actor events Vulfe? |
| 02:45.53 | Triceron | Vulfe O_O |
| 02:45.56 | P_R_Deltoid | Go the actor |
| 02:45.59 | P_R_Deltoid | click Events+ |
| 02:46.01 | P_R_Deltoid | add events |
| 02:46.10 | P_R_Deltoid | Events are the crux of the actor |
| 02:46.11 | Creation | Deltoid I would but for some reason my SS button doesnt work |
| 02:46.16 | RainGame | anyone have access to the EU custom map list? |
| 02:46.21 | P_R_Deltoid | Hey! Mine doesn't either! |
| 02:46.23 | P_R_Deltoid | Broken SS bros |
| 02:46.27 | Vulfe | Creation: The things that models do are controlled by actors of different types |
| 02:46.30 | Creation | LOL |
| 02:46.31 | Vulfe | beams are no exception |
| 02:46.33 | P_R_Deltoid | do your F keys work? |
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| 02:46.36 | P_R_Deltoid | or your alt keys/ |
| 02:46.39 | WAR | YAY SOTIS is DYING! |
| 02:46.39 | WAR | :D |
| 02:46.43 | P_R_Deltoid | My cat spilled water on my keyboard |
| 02:46.44 | Vulfe | You can tint models by using events under Events + in actors |
| 02:46.45 | WAR | Nobody plays it US servers. |
| 02:46.47 | Triceron | SS should auto make a SS in one of your folders |
| 02:46.49 | Vulfe | that's a pretty short summary |
| 02:46.58 | P_R_Deltoid | Oh |
| 02:47.00 | Creation | man you guys are damn helpful |
| 02:47.00 | Vulfe | but for more extensive info, ProzaicMuze has tons of tutorials |
| 02:47.03 | Triceron | are you running windowed? |
| 02:47.05 | Vulfe | :D |
| 02:47.06 | P_R_Deltoid | I meant my SS button is physically broken |
| 02:47.08 | RainGame | WAR, why is that? |
| 02:47.09 | P_R_Deltoid | like |
| 02:47.13 | Creation | someone should be in here copy/pasting the crap into a book and selling it |
| 02:47.13 | RainGame | a bad patch? |
| 02:47.13 | P_R_Deltoid | it inputs random keys, there are shorts |
| 02:47.16 | Triceron | oh |
| 02:47.17 | P_R_Deltoid | in the top row |
| 02:47.20 | P_R_Deltoid | not sure about him |
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| 02:47.26 | P_R_Deltoid | but it's literally broken beyond usage with anything |
| 02:47.34 | Triceron | that sucks then |
| 02:47.46 | Triceron | I rely on my printscreen btn |
| 02:48.16 | WAR | oh when are they getting rid of the popularity fucking system |
| 02:48.17 | WAR | god damn |
| 02:48.25 | Vulfe | soon |
| 02:48.26 | Vulfe | I hope |
| 02:48.28 | Vulfe | :D |
| 02:48.39 | Vulfe | I would kill for the WC3 system |
| 02:48.42 | Vulfe | great for promoting maps |
| 02:48.50 | Vulfe | FANTASTIC for promoting maps |
| 02:48.52 | Vulfe | FUCKING fantastic even |
| 02:49.11 | P_R_Deltoid | whoa there |
| 02:49.14 | P_R_Deltoid | this is a PG channel |
| 02:49.39 | HeyRevolver | fuck, I thought it was R |
| 02:49.47 | Vulfe | me too |
| 02:49.49 | Vulfe | O_o |
| 02:49.54 | HeyRevolver | o_0 |
| 02:50.02 | Vulfe | It's not like fuck is a terrible word anyway |
| 02:50.03 | Vulfe | I mean |
| 02:50.13 | Vulfe | my sister is like 11 and she knows lots of curse-words |
| 02:50.18 | Vulfe | probably because we use them all the time |
| 02:50.19 | Vulfe | :D |
| 02:50.32 | Vulfe | (she never uses them) |
| 02:50.55 | WAR | GET RID |
| 02:50.55 | WAR | OF |
| 02:50.59 | WAR | THE FUCKING POPULARITY SYSTEM |
| 02:51.05 | Vulfe | concurs |
| 02:51.28 | WAR | There was a picture of the new one in process |
| 02:51.28 | WAR | ? |
| 02:51.30 | WAR | anyone have that pic? |
| 02:52.35 | P_R_Deltoid | I thought it was a mockup or whatever |
| 02:52.38 | P_R_Deltoid | made by a fan |
| 02:52.40 | P_R_Deltoid | as an idea |
| 02:53.28 | Vulfe | I hope it's real O_O |
| 02:53.33 | Vulfe | I want the wc3 system |
| 02:53.36 | Vulfe | did I mention that? |
| 02:53.45 | Vulfe | It should only display games which have people |
| 02:53.45 | WAR | oh |
| 02:53.50 | WAR | so there NOT changing it after all. |
| 02:53.58 | Vulfe | well |
| 02:54.00 | Vulfe | they're changing it |
| 02:54.02 | WAR | oh FUCKING GREAT |
| 02:54.03 | Vulfe | it's just a matter of when |
| 02:54.04 | WAR | THANKS BLIZZ |
| 02:54.07 | WAR | I SPENT 100$ |
| 02:54.08 | Creation | omg that is so epic guys, just made my first tinted attack THANKS SO MUCH!!!! |
| 02:54.14 | WAR | WAY TO HAVE ACTIVISION |
| 02:54.14 | Creation | i feel like I can do anything |
| 02:54.14 | Vulfe | no problem bro |
| 02:54.16 | Syniq | WAR: *£70. ;) |
| 02:54.17 | WAR | FUCK THEMSELF |
| 02:54.19 | Syniq | ducks |
| 02:54.22 | WAR | WAY TO GO |
| 02:54.24 | WAR | ACTIVISION |
| 02:54.26 | Creation | Ok onto more advanced question |
| 02:54.28 | WAR | BLIZZARD WONT CHANGE |
| 02:54.30 | WAR | NOOPE |
| 02:54.32 | WAR | OH WAIT |
| 02:54.33 | WAR | IT DID |
| 02:54.36 | Creation | who understands how to save unit data? |
| 02:54.38 | Vulfe | capslocks is cruise control |
| 02:54.39 | Vulfe | for cool |
| 02:54.45 | Syniq | WAR: Calm down, dear, it's only a commercial... |
| 02:54.46 | WAR | Coming form a fucking company that wants to charge to play a first person shooter |
| 02:54.48 | WAR | because why? |
| 02:54.51 | WAR | they're fucking greedy |
| 02:54.54 | WAR | and because they can |
| 02:55.10 | Syniq | They have an FPS? |
| 02:55.28 | Creation | Man... there's a lot of smart people in here, but I havent met a single one who knows how to use the editor's bank system |
| 02:55.58 | Creation | afk, smoke |
| 02:56.08 | WAR | I know how |
| 02:56.09 | WAR | :D |
| 02:56.21 | WAR | It's crap bnecause you have to encrypt it |
| 02:56.30 | WAR | Otherwise people can edit to their lesiure |
| 02:56.36 | WAR | like I just did in SoTIS |
| 02:56.45 | WAR | and said fuck you all; fuck sotis |
| 02:57.14 | Triceron | :S |
| 02:58.05 | Vulfe | Creation: There's an asset that makes banking easier |
| 02:58.08 | Vulfe | STARCODE |
| 02:58.17 | Vulfe | but I recommend that you search for banking tutorials on the website |
| 02:58.19 | Vulfe | instead of asking here |
| 02:58.43 | Triceron | I want MPQ encryption |
| 02:58.44 | WAR | No I tried it |
| 02:58.45 | WAR | it errors. |
| 02:58.46 | WAR | also |
| 02:58.47 | WAR | ALSO |
| 02:58.53 | WAR | It's only used for numerical strings |
| 02:59.32 | WAR | Anyways, retired map making until they can fucking make a god damn fucking proper system |
| 02:59.44 | WAR | I mean, nobody complained about SC1 or WAR3's system |
| 02:59.51 | WAR | so why fix something that wasnt broken |
| 03:00.01 | WAR | I Hate to say it, but i'm starting to hate blizzard |
| 03:00.28 | Triceron | well, because SC1 and War never had fanbase as big as WoW. |
| 03:00.50 | Triceron | SC2 is the _first_ non-WoW game since WoW. |
| 03:01.07 | Triceron | things are bound to change, better or worse |
| 03:01.31 | Triceron | and they're gonna keep changing |
| 03:01.47 | eggy | yap |
| 03:05.47 | Creation | vulfe i figured out the local tint color thing |
| 03:06.01 | Creation | theres an option called tint color (local) |
| 03:06.05 | Vulfe | ....... |
| 03:06.09 | Vulfe | That must be new as of recent |
| 03:06.15 | Vulfe | either that or it doesn't wrok |
| 03:06.17 | Vulfe | work* |
| 03:06.24 | Vulfe | because I've discussed this before |
| 03:06.25 | Vulfe | :o |
| 03:06.54 | Triceron | question about unit wireframes |
| 03:07.01 | WAR | I'm gonna boycott the popularity system |
| 03:07.02 | Triceron | do units still take locational damage in the wireframe? |
| 03:07.11 | Triceron | I forgot if they just go green to yellow to red |
| 03:07.12 | WAR | and idle in a game and add a AI so popular maps will lose popularity |
| 03:07.53 | Triceron | WAR nobody cares, please stop bitching. |
| 03:09.04 | WAR | afk in Sotis, nobody can play it now |
| 03:09.05 | WAR | :D |
| 03:12.35 | P_R_Deltoid | are you being sarcastic or do you really dislike SoTIS? |
| 03:13.59 | WAR | Dota killed WC3 a pretty good rts. |
| 03:14.02 | WAR | Actually no |
| 03:14.04 | WAR | I take that back |
| 03:14.11 | WAR | Dota killed the map making scene in wc3 |
| 03:14.21 | P_R_Deltoid | I suppose |
| 03:14.21 | WAR | So anything related or a spinoff dota can die |
| 03:14.21 | WAR | forever. |
| 03:14.27 | P_R_Deltoid | alright |
| 03:14.30 | P_R_Deltoid | that's legit, just curious |
| 03:14.42 | WAR | I'm blasting it off the popularity list. |
| 03:14.51 | WAR | Next will be that shit map Battlecrusier Wars |
| 03:15.05 | P_R_Deltoid | should probably do it to BC Wars first |
| 03:15.05 | P_R_Deltoid | it souncds awful |
| 03:15.11 | P_R_Deltoid | production value wise. |
| 03:15.18 | P_R_Deltoid | wow my computer fucking lagged like shit |
| 03:15.19 | P_R_Deltoid | just now |
| 03:15.49 | Zanam | what are the accepted image formats for use with the editor |
| 03:15.55 | WAR | dds |
| 03:15.55 | Triceron | tga and .dds |
| 03:15.55 | WAR | thats it |
| 03:15.56 | WAR | go |
| 03:16.08 | Vulfe | tga works |
| 03:16.39 | Vulfe | it's best to use DDS though |
| 03:16.49 | Zanam | this is just a small image preview of an arena |
| 03:16.54 | Zanam | so file size is key |
| 03:17.06 | Triceron | dds with mip mapping turned off |
| 03:17.21 | Zanam | 256x256 was still giving me a minimum of 64k, vs tga's 6k |
| 03:17.31 | Zanam | just didnt know if it would work |
| 03:17.52 | Triceron | tga is good for working files, just cuz it'll always work |
| 03:18.10 | Triceron | but ultimately you will want .dds for everything |
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| 03:19.28 | Vulfe | I wish blizzard would make the locking on maps harder to break |
| 03:19.38 | Vulfe | so dumb how people are just like "LOL BANKS NT" |
| 03:21.21 | P_R_Deltoid | for what game? |
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| 03:21.34 | WAR | Make banks server side |
| 03:21.34 | WAR | gg |
| 03:21.39 | Zanam | next question, is there some magic tag to center text within a dialog |
| 03:21.46 | WAR | oh wait that takes too much space |
| 03:22.03 | Vulfe | Zanam: I don't believe so |
| 03:22.05 | Zanam | as in, dialog size 300x300, dialog item 300x100 anchored to the top, if you have the text "ASDF" it will be on the upper left side of the screen |
| 03:22.18 | Zanam | damn |
| 03:22.24 | Vulfe | You could make a function to do it |
| 03:22.29 | Vulfe | at least for one-stringed things |
| 03:22.37 | Vulfe | but it would be more work than it's worth |
| 03:22.38 | Vulfe | probably |
| 03:22.54 | Vulfe | one-lined things, rather |
| 03:25.35 | WAR | So like i said |
| 03:25.42 | WAR | SC2 didn't come with chatrooms so I made my own. |
| 03:25.43 | WAR | right |
| 03:25.53 | WAR | So I created a SOTIS game and added a computer so the game wouldnt autostart. |
| 03:25.59 | WAR | and now I have my own chatroom. |
| 03:26.00 | WAR | :D |
| 03:26.31 | DarkRevenant | WAR, you're good for absolutely nothing. Urgh |
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| 03:29.46 | WAR | Why |
| 03:29.47 | WAR | :[ |
| 03:29.53 | WAR | I just wanted a chatroom |
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| 03:32.37 | Triceron | then make your own map and empty channel :/ |
| 03:32.49 | Triceron | you're just finding an excuse to be a douche |
| 03:32.57 | Triceron | and tell everyone how douchy you are |
| 03:34.12 | LotharSCM | how do you set a castable item so that the unit will move closer to cast it if it is out of range? instead of it not casting/unit staying still |
| 03:36.47 | LotharSCM | nvm found it |
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| 03:43.00 | Zanam | ZarafFaraz, you around? |
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| 04:05.47 | Armentia | Hmm |
| 04:06.29 | Armentia | Shape Wars on US anyone? I'm gonna open up a match and do homework until someone joins. I haven't tried it yet, but it looks really interesting. |
| 04:06.44 | Armentia | Well, I tried it single player... =P |
| 04:06.51 | Zanam | :) I'd play with ya but I'm doing some updates to the UI |
| 04:07.11 | Zanam | ah what the hell, i can take a break |
| 04:07.17 | Zanam | Zanam.886 |
| 04:07.41 | Armentia | Ah, there's one being hosted with two others in it already! :O |
| 04:10.43 | jorgenpt | Aww |
| 04:10.45 | jorgenpt | I wanted to play |
| 04:10.51 | jorgenpt | And when I joined there as only an empty game :( |
| 04:11.01 | jorgenpt | Anyone else wanna play Shape Wars? |
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| 04:13.06 | jorgenpt | Game going! |
| 04:13.49 | rrowland | that game looks kinda fun |
| 04:13.53 | rrowland | hope it takes second place |
| 04:13.53 | rrowland | ;P |
| 04:16.41 | Eiviyn | b.net is down. Patch tonight or just random maintainence? |
| 04:17.15 | rrowland | im hoping they don't really patch until they pick winners |
| 04:17.24 | rrowland | would be a shame if some of the maps broke |
| 04:18.12 | Twiner | so what are all the cool new maps? |
| 04:21.05 | Eiviyn | I wonder what is coming in 1.1 for custom maps anyway |
| 04:22.48 | Lilianna | I hope some nice things come to the editor |
| 04:22.56 | Lilianna | Simulcasting! |
| 04:22.58 | Lilianna | c.c |
| 04:24.15 | rrowland | WASD revamp please |
| 04:25.45 | Lilianna | I would love to see Charge Abilities and Simulcasting |
| 04:25.56 | Lilianna | I would make an awesome Triggerless WASD then |
| 04:26.19 | Lilianna | Charge being, You press hotkey, and it will charge up, based on how long you hold it |
| 04:26.27 | Lilianna | firing once you release the hotkey |
| 04:28.40 | IskatuMesk | EIVIYN THEY ARE COMING FOR YOU |
| 04:28.51 | Eiviyn | n |
| 04:28.56 | IskatuMesk | y |
| 04:30.45 | jorgenpt | m |
| 04:32.02 | Lilianna | hides Eiviyn under a blanket? |
| 04:33.00 | jorgenpt | Zanam: I wish just you or some dude would voice Shape Wars. Sam sounds retarded. :( |
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| 04:33.05 | casperb | yoyo |
| 04:33.09 | Lilianna | Hi |
| 04:33.30 | casperb | Ask me stuff, time to kill before class, SC2 and LoL is down :p |
| 04:34.03 | casperb | forums have pretty much already been answered :p |
| 04:34.05 | Zanam | jorgenpt, sam is wretched compared to the voice i got for the announcer. I don't know any with professional audio equipment to do voiceovers with, or I would probably just voice it myself |
| 04:34.28 | Eiviyn | How do I make a melee weapon that instead of damaging a unit, triggers a modify unit effect on all units in x radius |
| 04:34.43 | Eiviyn | I know the answer, just first thing that came to my head and you wanted a question :( |
| 04:35.03 | casperb | Just swap the effect :p |
| 04:35.15 | Eiviyn | To what |
| 04:35.22 | casperb | whatever you desire |
| 04:35.37 | Eiviyn | Terrible answer! |
| 04:35.51 | casperb | a weapon only applies an effect, doesn't have to deal damage |
| 04:36.03 | rrowland | yeah replace the damage effect with any of the other effects |
| 04:36.16 | Eiviyn | Cheater |
| 04:36.28 | Eiviyn | Okay what else... |
| 04:36.36 | Eiviyn | I want a weapon that auto targets allies and not enemies |
| 04:36.52 | Eiviyn | Actually question stands on that one, I couldn't figure that one out |
| 04:37.17 | casperb | well attack already works like that |
| 04:37.39 | casperb | auto attack if in range, and only attacks hostiles |
| 04:37.47 | casperb | arg |
| 04:37.52 | casperb | ah the other way around |
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| 04:39.09 | casperb | well change the scan filters |
| 04:39.10 | casperb | to ally |
| 04:39.12 | casperb | i guess |
| 04:40.04 | casperb | i.e Scan Filters Excluded: Player, Neutral, Enemy, Dead |
| 04:40.24 | Eiviyn | Doesn't work |
| 04:40.56 | casperb | Attack also has scan filters |
| 04:41.45 | casperb | Since it's exclusion based, my guess it that you can exclude down the tree |
| 04:42.37 | casperb | Now my question is, why do you want to auto attack your allies? :P |
| 04:43.01 | Eiviyn | Weapons that repair |
| 04:43.01 | casperb | Gameplay design sounds weird o.o |
| 04:43.11 | casperb | Hm why not just use ability? |
| 04:43.37 | Eiviyn | Doesn't stack |
| 04:43.44 | Eiviyn | Is retardedly complex |
| 04:43.47 | Eiviyn | Uses an ability slot |
| 04:44.00 | Eiviyn | Doesn't display on unit weapons |
| 04:44.38 | jorgenpt | casperb: http://forums.sc2mapster.com/development/data/11405-showing-a-model-to-only-one-player/ |
| 04:44.41 | jorgenpt | casperb: Answer that! |
| 04:45.20 | casperb | Actor, visible to self |
| 04:45.32 | jorgenpt | Proof of Concept too |
| 04:45.52 | Armentia | Man, I was afraid that suicidal eraser would kill me |
| 04:45.54 | Zanam | man armentia, that was an intense finish. glad you won instead of those damn b.net kiddies |
| 04:46.09 | Armentia | =] |
| 04:46.10 | Zanam | no time limit 7 round shape war... even for me that's a first |
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| 04:46.18 | Armentia | I was starting to lag pretty hard though |
| 04:46.20 | Armentia | I'm not sure why |
| 04:46.35 | Zanam | old glory's got more walls than any other map |
| 04:46.41 | Armentia | The garbage disposal on sc2 is good right? |
| 04:46.48 | Armentia | It wasn't as bad as the start of that last match |
| 04:46.55 | Armentia | it got worse as the match went on it seemed like |
| 04:47.14 | Zanam | it very well could, I may have memory leaks i dont know about. havent found any sort of tutorial yet on how to avoid them |
| 04:47.21 | casperb | jorgenpt: did something like that for aim indicator, it's atleast possible :P |
| 04:47.24 | Zanam | i remember it was a pain in wc3, but i assumed they fixed all that with galaxy editor |
| 04:47.29 | jorgenpt | casperb: Hmm. How? |
| 04:47.34 | Armentia | That's what I assumed as well |
| 04:47.43 | Armentia | in wc3 they were a HUGE pain in the ass |
| 04:47.47 | Zanam | yeah, i remember. |
| 04:47.57 | Zanam | destroy temp_UG, destroy temp_Point all over the place |
| 04:48.35 | Zanam | so, what did you think for a two-week submission |
| 04:49.33 | casperb | jorgenpt: filters IIRC |
| 04:49.40 | jorgenpt | Hmm |
| 04:49.41 | jorgenpt | It did work |
| 04:49.42 | jorgenpt | Weird. |
| 04:49.43 | jorgenpt | :-) |
| 04:50.35 | casperb | Any hints on the API changes we're getting in 1.1? |
| 04:50.47 | Armentia | I think it's a pretty fun map with some good potential |
| 04:50.59 | Armentia | Very good for the timespan imo |
| 04:51.06 | Armentia | But I'm one who never finishes ANYTHING |
| 04:51.09 | jorgenpt | casperb: It doesn't work on a Unit Actor, though. |
| 04:51.15 | jorgenpt | Weird. |
| 04:51.49 | casperb | I just used model actor |
| 04:51.59 | Armentia | Next time I'll play it with sound on |
| 04:52.00 | jorgenpt | How did you create it for a specific player? |
| 04:52.01 | Zanam | i thought it was the best i could do for the time alotted, but i know there ar epeople submitting maps that started in beta |
| 04:52.12 | Zanam | :O no sound? there's... so much custom sound! |
| 04:52.16 | Armentia | Oh yeah I'm sure there was |
| 04:52.23 | jorgenpt | Zanam: Ugh, the announcer! :p |
| 04:52.23 | Armentia | Girlfriends sick and asleep =/ |
| 04:52.23 | casperb | wait, that's a good question o.o |
| 04:52.35 | jorgenpt | Especially when people don't skip the tutorial. |
| 04:52.55 | jorgenpt | casperb: One way I can see is an invisible unit, and then a model actor that you create on Unit Birth |
| 04:53.04 | Zanam | jorgenpt, dont go dissin my announcer! He's not Sam... he's David :) with some filters. If I knew someone with decent audio equipment i'd just voice it myself and we'd have robo-german announcer |
| 04:53.07 | jorgenpt | I wonder why it doesn't work if you just set the Unit Actor to be like that. |
| 04:53.33 | ekcolnovkol|stud | why does classic tower defense have 8000 games |
| 04:53.33 | jorgenpt | Zanam: He gets on my nerves ;-) |
| 04:53.34 | ekcolnovkol|stud | i'm |
| 04:53.35 | ekcolnovkol|stud | so confused |
| 04:53.37 | ekcolnovkol|stud | >_<" |
| 04:53.51 | Zanam | jorgenpt, it's ok. He isn't perfect, but better than nothing. |
| 04:53.52 | casperb | dunno, same reason sotis has? :p |
| 04:53.56 | casperb | Oooh burn! ;) |
| 04:54.06 | ekcolnovkol | if i had 8000 games going |
| 04:54.10 | ekcolnovkol | <_<" |
| 04:54.16 | jorgenpt | Zanam: Yeah, maybe. :-) |
| 04:54.17 | casperb | you don't? o.o |
| 04:54.27 | casperb | It's been top since day one |
| 04:54.35 | jorgenpt | casperb: You gonna look it up? |
| 04:54.37 | jorgenpt | :D |
| 04:54.48 | casperb | jorgenpt: I've formatted my drive since then o.o |
| 04:54.53 | jorgenpt | :( |
| 04:54.59 | Zanam | I wasn't too caring about popularity, just want a map people enjoy... and whats funny is, more people enjoyed it when it was just private. now that the b.net kiddies are getting access to it, they hate it cause its different and not normal starcraft. |
| 04:55.14 | Armentia | XD |
| 04:55.26 | jorgenpt | Zanam: And that ruins it for the rest of us, because there are a bunch of leavers |
| 04:55.30 | Armentia | Give it time, the bnet kiddies will screw off and the people who enjoy it will continue to enjoy it |
| 04:55.31 | Zanam | i know :( |
| 04:55.44 | casperb | average age for a bnet kiddie you ask? 25 |
| 04:55.48 | casperb | -.- |
| 04:56.01 | Zanam | yeah i know. b.net kiddie more or less just means 'troll' these days |
| 04:56.06 | casperb | yeah |
| 04:56.07 | Armentia | Mhmm |
| 04:56.25 | casperb | LoL is pretty much 99% filled with them :p |
| 04:56.27 | Armentia | Anyway, time for some homework, nice chattin' Zanam, keep up the good work |
| 04:56.37 | Zanam | thanks arm, working on some updates now |
| 04:56.50 | Lilianna | I like LoL, I ignore the people in it most of the time. :x |
| 04:56.59 | Lilianna | Though I play with two other friends alot |
| 04:57.02 | jorgenpt | Sounds like HoN |
| 04:57.04 | Lilianna | so we only get 2 weird people |
| 04:57.24 | Lilianna | HoN is much more true to DotA |
| 04:58.03 | Lilianna | Ive never tried HoN personally, but looking at screenshots, I like LoL art and style better |
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| 04:58.12 | casperb | HoN is like visual crap |
| 04:58.17 | Lilianna | yah |
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| 04:58.45 | casperb | Way to much clutter, they've just stuffed as many shaders in there as possible and forgot to hire an art director |
| 04:59.32 | Lilianna | I look at HoN and It looks really hard to distinguish anything from different things |
| 04:59.49 | casperb | Imagine shaco in hon o.o |
| 04:59.56 | Lilianna | How do I know that hero is ranged, or if its gonna run in my fast and bite my head off |
| 05:00.02 | Lilianna | they glow the same ugliness |
| 05:00.09 | Resinate | ROFL |
| 05:00.11 | Resinate | how sad |
| 05:00.15 | Resinate | just sad |
| 05:00.28 | Resinate | 2 of the best acts on the talent show gave up on the finales lol |
| 05:04.13 | casperb | Uhm prolly old news, but the fort gat story, lol.. |
| 05:04.17 | casperb | gay* |
| 05:04.45 | casperb | Toulouse contends his team rarely makes mistakes but acknowledged, "Absolutely, a mistake was made here, and we've updated our training to account for that." |
| 05:05.25 | casperb | So page 1547 now states that "Fort Gay is a real place, don't get us into trouble with the press!" |
| 05:06.40 | Eiviyn | Yeah very old news |
| 05:08.18 | casperb | Ehh well hide ya kids, hide ya wife.. just to add more old news :p |
| 05:08.26 | Eiviyn | I agree with microsoft though |
| 05:08.42 | Eiviyn | Real name or not it's still an idiotic town name and I'd keep it banned |
| 05:08.53 | Eiviyn | Fort gay |
| 05:08.55 | Eiviyn | Really... |
| 05:10.39 | Eiviyn | They must know by now that if they pull a stunt like this and let it pass, 50% of xbox live players are suddenly going to be from fort gay |
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| 05:19.42 | Triceron | alright i need opinions |
| 05:20.00 | Triceron | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/Triceron/Demonhunter_WF.jpg Which Demonhunter pose looks better for a wireframe image? |
| 05:20.09 | Resinate | LOL |
| 05:20.16 | Resinate | i got smoked to my own AI |
| 05:22.30 | WAR | yes, you said this many times yesterday |
| 05:22.31 | WAR | Triceron |
| 05:22.34 | WAR | The first one |
| 05:22.36 | WAR | it shows more body |
| 05:22.37 | casperb | left |
| 05:22.59 | Triceron | alright, cool. Thanks |
| 05:23.10 | casperb | Maybe lower the camera angle a hair |
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| 05:23.26 | Resinate | guys |
| 05:23.34 | Resinate | is there a way to make a trigger run backwards? |
| 05:23.39 | Resinate | or take a step back |
| 05:23.45 | Resinate | say if 1 was alrdy picked |
| 05:23.50 | Resinate | itll re run a switch |
| 05:24.13 | casperb | Not unless it's written to do so |
| 05:24.24 | Resinate | what do u mean? |
| 05:24.33 | casperb | code runs sequentally |
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| 05:25.23 | casperb | So no you can't execute it backwards |
| 05:26.14 | casperb | Use case? |
| 05:27.39 | Huesy | This annoys me so much: http://www.ahughes.net/banter/3a657577b34002a0026f303348685c36.png |
| 05:28.48 | Resinate | i got it |
| 05:28.53 | Resinate | using 4 if thens |
| 05:29.10 | casperb | if then else if generates cleaner code :p |
| 05:29.22 | Resinate | looks so weird |
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| 05:29.31 | Resinate | not like this LOL |
| 05:29.36 | Resinate | it looks like a set of stairs |
| 05:30.14 | casperb | both actually generate the wrong code in alot of cases |
| 05:30.20 | casperb | if then else will always generate the else clause |
| 05:30.33 | Resinate | ROFL!!! |
| 05:30.40 | Resinate | NO wonder they didnt take any beaoncs |
| 05:30.49 | Resinate | i flagged it 4 times for the same beacon |
| 05:31.15 | casperb | Welcome to the world of software bugs and coffee |
| 05:34.43 | Resinate | ROFL |
| 05:34.56 | Resinate | nah im finding bugs in my code |
| 05:35.09 | Resinate | fixed another one for attacking |
| 05:36.16 | casperb | Eh well the coffee usually causes the bug, then more coffee is required to fix the bug |
| 05:36.21 | casperb | evil circle |
| 05:36.57 | ZarafFaraz | sup Zanam? |
| 05:41.05 | Nash|327 | surrender your KITTUNS! |
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| 05:45.08 | casperb | om nom nom? |
| 05:45.53 | Zanam | oh hey zaraffaraz |
| 05:47.07 | Zanam | wanted your opinion on something. i'm making a better menu for map selection, you can preview and read and description of each of the three maps prior to selecting one. was debating on still only showing that to the winning player, or to show it to the others but only allow the winning player to use it. pros: players would get to see more maps, cons: players might get confused seeing a dialog they cant do anything with |
| 05:50.29 | Resinate | ROFL |
| 05:50.32 | Resinate | soo many lines |
| 05:50.35 | Resinate | for the beacon system |
| 05:51.16 | ZarafFaraz | yeah, that sounds good |
| 05:51.28 | ZarafFaraz | let the other players see what is available, but only the winner able to pick |
| 05:51.42 | Resinate | well a buddy with 120 APM |
| 05:51.47 | Resinate | stood even with the AI |
| 05:51.50 | Resinate | when it was bugged |
| 05:53.27 | Nash|327 | How does it look now? |
| 05:53.34 | Resinate | dunno |
| 05:53.37 | Resinate | ima about to test it |
| 05:53.43 | Resinate | removed some unused upgrades |
| 05:53.48 | Nash|327 | slaps Zanam around a bit with a large trout |
| 05:53.50 | Resinate | added some very good ones |
| 05:53.58 | Resinate | new beacon attack cycle system |
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| 05:54.44 | Zanam | Egads! I havent seen the trout in ages |
| 05:55.01 | Nash|327 | show me how the menu looks |
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| 05:57.37 | lobster | does anyone here know how I can make a weapon rotation attached to a camera? |
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| 05:57.56 | Darkarbiter | WOO WHITE POWER |
| 05:58.14 | Jum-Jum | eurgh |
| 05:58.14 | Nash|327 | GTFO NAZI |
| 05:58.20 | Jum-Jum | just realized I was going to 'test' one thing |
| 05:58.22 | Darkarbiter | sorry, just testing |
| 05:58.27 | Jum-Jum | and I've ended up making the map for 8 hours straight |
| 05:58.36 | Jum-Jum | good results tho! |
| 05:58.44 | ZarafFaraz | Zanam, did you see my reply? |
| 05:58.56 | WAR | WHITE FLOWER |
| 05:59.20 | Zanam | i do now :P missed it, keep bouncing back into the editor. thanks for the input, i'll try it that way and see how the reaction is |
| 05:59.46 | Zanam | making small edits to all the arenas, better movement and placement of cash stations |
| 05:59.49 | Nash|327 | I am an interaction designer |
| 06:01.50 | Resinate | 328 lines |
| 06:01.58 | Resinate | for attacking beacon cycles |
| 06:02.33 | Resinate | so |
| 06:02.36 | Resinate | who wants to see this? |
| 06:02.38 | Resinate | AI |
| 06:08.21 | casperb | PYLON POWER! |
| 06:08.43 | casperb | anything suffixed by power, you can make a racism claim against :p |
| 06:11.27 | Darkarbiter | WHITE POWER |
| 06:11.39 | Darkarbiter | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-MBlxrVeP8 |
| 06:12.32 | Darkarbiter | Anyone know how banks work? |
| 06:14.40 | Resinate | lol |
| 06:14.46 | Resinate | dark thats messed up |
| 06:16.52 | Resinate | ROFL |
| 06:17.00 | Resinate | i love lags in sc2 over simple triggers |
| 06:17.21 | Resinate | this one trigger has about 40+ if-then statements |
| 06:18.59 | SycoPrime | Resinate: switch |
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| 06:20.45 | SuraklinSC2 | boggles. |
| 06:20.54 | SuraklinSC2 | Sounds like a badly planned function. ^^ |
| 06:22.16 | Resinate | r4ofl |
| 06:22.21 | Resinate | theres a switch in there |
| 06:22.30 | Resinate | it runs 8 different cycles |
| 06:22.34 | Resinate | for 4 beacons |
| 06:22.35 | Nash|327 | 40 if-then wtf |
| 06:22.46 | SuraklinSC2 | shrugs. |
| 06:22.50 | SuraklinSC2 | Sounds terrible! ^^ |
| 06:22.51 | Nash|327 | I don't even use that in actual programming D_D |
| 06:22.55 | Resinate | LOL |
| 06:22.58 | Resinate | uh |
| 06:23.02 | Resinate | lemme paste the code |
| 06:23.08 | Resinate | so u guys can see how it runs |
| 06:23.18 | SuraklinSC2 | Hmm. |
| 06:23.29 | Resinate | it runs a cycle |
| 06:23.29 | SuraklinSC2 | I wonder if writing an FSM library would be worth bothering with. |
| 06:23.35 | Resinate | using 1 2 3 4 |
| 06:23.40 | Resinate | in 8 different combos |
| 06:23.54 | SuraklinSC2 | ? |
| 06:23.56 | Resinate | it checks the numbers |
| 06:24.07 | SuraklinSC2 | So, like two loops could iterate it? |
| 06:24.19 | Nash|327 | But then, I've noticed lots of people working with SC2 editor suck ass at programming and use redundantly many conditionals |
| 06:24.22 | Resinate | ? |
| 06:24.37 | Resinate | ok tell me a better way to make this code? |
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| 06:24.46 | SuraklinSC2 | What code? ^^ |
| 06:24.54 | SuraklinSC2 | And, cleaning up peoples messes suck. ;) |
| 06:24.55 | RedWraith|Away | Hey guys |
| 06:24.58 | RedWraith|Away | any Europeans around? |
| 06:24.58 | SuraklinSC2 | Ask any programmer. ;) |
| 06:25.12 | RedWraith | I'd like to know what page Sentry Scramble is on. |
| 06:25.15 | SuraklinSC2 | You run into shit like... |
| 06:25.19 | Nash|327 | Europeans are sneaky |
| 06:25.25 | Resinate | dont say my code is shit |
| 06:25.27 | Nash|327 | They hide in plain sight. |
| 06:25.39 | RedWraith | They look just like us. |
| 06:25.39 | SuraklinSC2 | if (a == true) return true; else return false; |
| 06:25.39 | Nash|327 | Speaking English and passing as American. |
| 06:25.42 | SuraklinSC2 | I love stuff like that. |
| 06:25.44 | Resinate | http://pastebin.com/BYrCvHW7 |
| 06:25.44 | RedWraith | They're replicants. :| |
| 06:25.57 | Resinate | if u can make a better system than this |
| 06:25.58 | RedWraith | Sure is tautology in here |
| 06:26.00 | Resinate | please post |
| 06:26.07 | Resinate | otherwise dont comment it |
| 06:26.08 | RedWraith | Resinate |
| 06:26.11 | RedWraith | little long mate |
| 06:26.12 | Nash|327 | tl;dr |
| 06:26.27 | Resinate | idc lol |
| 06:26.34 | RedWraith | If you could tell me its purpose... |
| 06:26.38 | RedWraith | I might read through it. |
| 06:26.43 | Resinate | theres 4 beacons on the map |
| 06:26.48 | Resinate | the ai will take each one |
| 06:26.53 | Resinate | in a random pattern |
| 06:27.06 | Resinate | running checks on all 4 beacons |
| 06:27.09 | RedWraith | Well that doesn't make any sense. |
| 06:27.13 | SycoPrime | Resinate, just at a glance, you could put the becons in a unit group, and iterate through each unit in that unit group. |
| 06:27.19 | SycoPrime | Reducing your code by 3/4. |
| 06:27.23 | RedWraith | It should go for the beacons which it has greatest advantage against. |
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| 06:27.28 | Resinate | cant |
| 06:27.30 | Resinate | look closer |
| 06:27.32 | RedWraith | VJEUX |
| 06:27.36 | RedWraith | Is my map popular? |
| 06:27.36 | Resinate | theres units and REGIONs |
| 06:27.37 | vjeux | hey |
| 06:27.46 | vjeux | I have no idea :P |
| 06:27.50 | RedWraith | like page 2 or 3? :P |
| 06:27.55 | Resinate | beacon 1 3 6 8 are regions |
| 06:27.57 | Fisker | hey vjeux |
| 06:28.00 | SuraklinSC2 | So. |
| 06:28.05 | Resinate | so? |
| 06:28.15 | RedWraith | It's like #15 on your sc2ladders stuff. |
| 06:28.16 | SuraklinSC2 | It randomly picks a beacon? |
| 06:28.16 | SycoPrime | Resinate: RedWrath has a point. Just have them evaluate all becons and tactically decide. |
| 06:28.26 | SuraklinSC2 | Then checks if all the other beacons are owned by the player? |
| 06:28.32 | Resinate | ... |
| 06:28.42 | Resinate | take a look at the orders |
| 06:28.51 | RedWraith | wait wait wait |
| 06:28.52 | RedWraith | Resinate |
| 06:28.54 | RedWraith | hold up |
| 06:29.17 | RedWraith | Your search is depth-first. |
| 06:29.20 | RedWraith | I am disappoint. |
| 06:29.23 | SuraklinSC2 | Yea. |
| 06:29.27 | SuraklinSC2 | Pick the beacon first. |
| 06:29.48 | Resinate | ? |
| 06:29.59 | Resinate | wouldnt make any differences in code |
| 06:30.00 | RedWraith | Ignore SuraklinSC2, he has no idea what he's talking about. |
| 06:30.05 | Darkarbiter | Wow |
| 06:30.08 | Darkarbiter | banks are complicated :( |
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| 06:30.14 | Resinate | anyways listen |
| 06:30.19 | Resinate | the 8 combos are |
| 06:30.21 | Resinate | 1 2 3 4 |
| 06:30.31 | Resinate | 1 3 2 4 |
| 06:30.34 | Resinate | 4 3 2 1 |
| 06:30.36 | Resinate | 4 2 3 1 |
| 06:30.44 | Resinate | 2 1 4 3 |
| 06:30.50 | Resinate | 2 4 1 3 |
| 06:31.01 | RedWraith | Anyhow, there's a bit of an issue with your code. |
| 06:31.06 | RedWraith | This'll take a second to explain. |
| 06:31.19 | Resinate | right now it works lol |
| 06:31.32 | Resinate | 234 lines |
| 06:31.33 | Resinate | LOL |
| 06:31.44 | Nash|327 | instead of millions of if-then, you make a loop and break when the first not already owned beacon is found |
| 06:31.45 | Nash|327 | D_D |
| 06:32.01 | Resinate | prob is |
| 06:32.11 | Resinate | u can only use the AI issue order once |
| 06:32.23 | Resinate | if theres more than 1 |
| 06:32.28 | Resinate | itll only run the last one |
| 06:33.18 | Nash|327 | so? |
| 06:33.23 | RedWraith | In a well-written AI, the combination of the four points would determine its possible plans FIRST and then you would go through each possibility. However, yours addresses some of them improperly. It bases itself on whether or not it holds in-order certain bases. It attacks the first empty one in whatever order you selected. |
| 06:34.11 | vjeux | RedWraith: i made a separation every 12 so you can have an estimate of what page your map is on |
| 06:34.12 | vjeux | http://scladder.com/ |
| 06:34.24 | RedWraith | Possibilities are necessarily limited by your specific choices. Allow me mto explain. |
| 06:34.40 | Resinate | i need it in different combos |
| 06:34.47 | Resinate | cuz if ppl know the AI's order |
| 06:34.50 | RedWraith | let's say the AI holds 3 |
| 06:34.55 | Resinate | they can go in and ninja the beacons |
| 06:34.55 | RedWraith | 1 2 4 |
| 06:34.58 | RedWraith | err |
| 06:35.24 | Resinate | with this system itll prevent ppl from ninja the beacons from the AI |
| 06:35.37 | Resinate | and itll also prevent deadlocking with 2 ais |
| 06:35.51 | RedWraith | 1 2 4 |
| 06:35.52 | RedWraith | 1 2 4 |
| 06:35.52 | RedWraith | 4 2 1 |
| 06:35.52 | RedWraith | 2 1 4 |
| 06:36.03 | RedWraith | 1 2 4 |
| 06:36.03 | RedWraith | 4 2 1 |
| 06:36.04 | RedWraith | 4 2 1 |
| 06:36.04 | Resinate | yea |
| 06:36.05 | RedWraith | 2 1 4 |
| 06:36.05 | RedWraith | 2 4 1 |
| 06:36.11 | RedWraith | Do you see a problem with tihs? :P |
| 06:36.12 | Resinate | but ill have to make dozen or so randoms |
| 06:36.14 | RedWraith | err wait |
| 06:36.16 | RedWraith | sorry |
| 06:36.22 | RedWraith | technically if it's 8 |
| 06:36.24 | RedWraith | it'll show all four |
| 06:36.27 | Resinate | do u see how the code works lol |
| 06:36.36 | RedWraith | Even if it's fair, it'll still repeat itself like crazy. |
| 06:36.37 | Nash|327 | umm, randomize one variable 1 to 4 to decide which beacon to attack D_D |
| 06:36.38 | Resinate | it runs 8 different check orders |
| 06:36.51 | Nash|327 | instead of randomizing 1 to 8 to decide a set of values |
| 06:36.55 | RedWraith | Meaning if you want to put a more complex AI in, you'll need to repeat it double or triple. |
| 06:37.18 | Resinate | if i did a simple 1 -4 |
| 06:37.29 | Resinate | i guess |
| 06:37.37 | Resinate | i had that before |
| 06:37.40 | RedWraith | Resinate, count which ones are held first. |
| 06:37.41 | RedWraith | :P |
| 06:37.50 | Resinate | prob ios |
| 06:37.52 | RedWraith | Then decide using the remaining ones. |
| 06:37.53 | Resinate | its not the count |
| 06:38.01 | Nash|327 | meh, count |
| 06:38.01 | RedWraith | not count sorry, mark |
| 06:38.02 | RedWraith | whatever |
| 06:38.21 | Resinate | i should prob just use the random 4 |
| 06:38.22 | Nash|327 | just randomize and check ownership, redo if already owned |
| 06:38.29 | Resinate | yea |
| 06:38.31 | Resinate | nash |
| 06:38.34 | Resinate | thats what i cant do |
| 06:38.38 | Resinate | is the redo part |
| 06:38.45 | Resinate | thats why i made this |
| 06:39.06 | Resinate | i dont know how to redo the switch |
| 06:39.26 | SuraklinSC2 | while. |
| 06:39.32 | Resinate | ? |
| 06:39.43 | SuraklinSC2 | Is it possible for the ai to own all of them? |
| 06:39.48 | Resinate | yes |
| 06:39.51 | Resinate | when they box u in |
| 06:39.55 | SuraklinSC2 | ok, then you need a dummy counter. |
| 06:40.03 | Resinate | u know |
| 06:40.05 | SuraklinSC2 | For the number of "attempts" to get a beacon before it gives up. |
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| 06:40.07 | SuraklinSC2 | So, like. |
| 06:40.08 | Resinate | even doing all this work |
| 06:40.12 | SuraklinSC2 | counter = 0; |
| 06:40.17 | SuraklinSC2 | while (counter < 16) { |
| 06:40.19 | Resinate | itll still have 234 lines LOL |
| 06:40.20 | SuraklinSC2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:40.26 | Resinate | just not in the same trigger |
| 06:40.27 | SuraklinSC2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:40.28 | SuraklinSC2 | } |
| 06:40.34 | SuraklinSC2 | And if you meet your condition. |
| 06:40.40 | SuraklinSC2 | Just set your counter to 17 to it breaks out. |
| 06:40.47 | Nash|327 | SuraklinSC2: why not just check beacons owned by player? |
| 06:41.03 | Resinate | but the 4 simple will work |
| 06:41.06 | SuraklinSC2 | You could. |
| 06:41.14 | SuraklinSC2 | Build an array of player owned. |
| 06:41.23 | SuraklinSC2 | If 1 or more, just randomly pick one. |
| 06:41.32 | Nash|327 | no, Units in Region Matching Condition |
| 06:41.56 | SuraklinSC2 | ? |
| 06:42.14 | SuraklinSC2 | Ok, simply, this is just an AI think to "attack" another beacon that it doesn't own every 30 seconds, right? |
| 06:42.22 | Nash|327 | generate a unit group of beacons of by players |
| 06:42.30 | Nash|327 | check how many units are in the unit group |
| 06:42.35 | Nash|327 | if 4, do nothing |
| 06:42.57 | RedWraith | Create int array marking player ownership of each beacon -> Count number of beacons held by computer -> R = random number 1 to 4-N -> New number A = 0 -> Cycle through each beacon, A++ if Int[A] != Computer -> If A = N, attack here |
| 06:43.02 | SuraklinSC2 | What I was saying. |
| 06:43.03 | RedWraith | That's how you should do it. |
| 06:43.07 | Resinate | btw |
| 06:43.09 | SuraklinSC2 | Was build a list of regions that meet those conditions. |
| 06:43.18 | Resinate | why are u guys talking in c++ coding |
| 06:43.19 | RedWraith | That way, you can easily expand it to N regions. |
| 06:43.22 | SuraklinSC2 | Then if there's one or more, randomly send the attack order at one of them. |
| 06:43.30 | Resinate | ... |
| 06:43.36 | Resinate | talk in trigger form |
| 06:43.41 | SuraklinSC2 | We are. |
| 06:43.47 | RedWraith | That IS trigger form. |
| 06:43.49 | Resinate | u cant make this crap in triggers |
| 06:43.55 | RedWraith | Yes, you can. |
| 06:43.55 | SuraklinSC2 | Yes you can. |
| 06:43.58 | SuraklinSC2 | heh |
| 06:44.04 | RedWraith | Everything I just said |
| 06:44.04 | Resinate | trigger paste? |
| 06:44.07 | RedWraith | can be done in trigger form |
| 06:44.15 | RedWraith | sec |
| 06:44.16 | Resinate | u epxect me to be pro in custom triggers? |
| 06:44.16 | Nash|327 | learn pseudo code |
| 06:44.25 | Resinate | when i never made one |
| 06:44.45 | Resinate | anyways |
| 06:44.49 | Resinate | i made it run 1-4 |
| 06:44.55 | Resinate | if they own the beacon |
| 06:45.00 | Resinate | they stay in middle |
| 06:45.14 | Resinate | btw |
| 06:45.17 | Resinate | how old are u guys? |
| 06:45.20 | Nash|327 | 27 |
| 06:45.22 | SuraklinSC2 | Too old. |
| 06:45.23 | RedWraith | 20 |
| 06:45.32 | Resinate | and how many years in college to learn this |
| 06:45.33 | SuraklinSC2 | 37. ;) |
| 06:45.39 | Resinate | or jobs |
| 06:45.43 | RedWraith | My college Java classes taught me shit. |
| 06:45.50 | Resinate | ye |
| 06:45.52 | RedWraith | I learned to code by making mods for HoN. |
| 06:45.53 | Resinate | i cant take them |
| 06:46.00 | Resinate | cuz of the lower classes i need |
| 06:46.04 | Nash|327 | I could program before I started university studies |
| 06:46.04 | SuraklinSC2 | 4 years of college, plus a bunch in the telco industry. |
| 06:46.07 | SuraklinSC2 | Which sucks btw. |
| 06:46.11 | Resinate | yea |
| 06:46.11 | SuraklinSC2 | Systems integration. |
| 06:46.11 | Resinate | lol |
| 06:46.14 | RedWraith | No object orientation. No functions. Only programming like a boss. |
| 06:46.18 | Resinate | me no coding schooling |
| 06:46.25 | Resinate | i do know ajava |
| 06:46.40 | Resinate | since i do code odinms maple source |
| 06:47.01 | Jum-Jum | Is the AI bugged? |
| 06:47.02 | Nash|327 | I worked with triggers back in 98 |
| 06:47.10 | Jum-Jum | I mean the normal campaign AI where you give attack waves and stuff |
| 06:47.15 | Jum-Jum | some maps I've made he does nothing |
| 06:47.17 | RedWraith | I'm a supergenius. |
| 06:47.18 | Jum-Jum | while others work fine |
| 06:47.19 | RedWraith | Should be obvious though. |
| 06:47.24 | Resinate | jum listen up |
| 06:47.26 | SuraklinSC2 | The Galaxy editor is really the same old "crap" in a new nutshell. ^^ |
| 06:47.26 | Resinate | very close |
| 06:47.33 | SuraklinSC2 | Event driven systems have been around forever. |
| 06:47.36 | Jum-Jum | let me guess Resinate |
| 06:47.39 | Jum-Jum | "the editor is buggy" ? |
| 06:47.40 | Resinate | if u use ISSUE ORDER |
| 06:47.48 | Jum-Jum | thats not what I am using |
| 06:47.55 | Resinate | and not AI ISSUE ORDER |
| 06:47.56 | Nash|327 | event driven > polling or busy wait though |
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| 06:48.14 | Jum-Jum | I made a simple AI script, just like from the SP campaign |
| 06:48.14 | SuraklinSC2 | Yea. |
| 06:48.22 | Jum-Jum | basically... build these 4 units, gather up, attack |
| 06:48.22 | Resinate | shyt this is bad |
| 06:48.25 | SuraklinSC2 | Well, in gaming event driven structure rules. |
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| 06:48.28 | Resinate | my vision is going out |
| 06:48.35 | SuraklinSC2 | Polling is still useful in other applications. ^^ |
| 06:48.44 | Jum-Jum | I think it gets completely bugged if you add more computers and use more attack waves |
| 06:48.48 | Nash|327 | polling is evil D: |
| 06:48.59 | SuraklinSC2 | Evil is everywhere. |
| 06:49.02 | Nash|327 | HANDSHAKE MOAR |
| 06:49.09 | SuraklinSC2 | I had to integrate some systems that sucked total ass. ;) |
| 06:49.12 | SuraklinSC2 | Like... |
| 06:49.21 | SuraklinSC2 | A new solaris box linked up to an old colbol mainframe. |
| 06:49.34 | SuraklinSC2 | Fucking mainframe's communication protocol of choice?. |
| 06:49.36 | SuraklinSC2 | Yep. |
| 06:49.38 | SuraklinSC2 | Telnet. |
| 06:49.54 | SuraklinSC2 | Open text passwords 4tw. |
| 06:49.59 | Nash|327 | \o/ |
| 06:50.13 | RedWraith | this is taking forever |
| 06:50.16 | RedWraith | in the trigger editor |
| 06:50.16 | RedWraith | lol |
| 06:50.30 | Jum-Jum | Could campaign depencies fuck up the campaign AI+ |
| 06:50.32 | Resinate | jum |
| 06:50.34 | Resinate | i cant help u |
| 06:50.34 | Jum-Jum | doesnt make sense tho |
| 06:50.40 | Resinate | not til tomorrow |
| 06:50.50 | Resinate | ive been having trouble with my eyes all day |
| 06:51.01 | Resinate | keep getting cloudly flim |
| 06:51.11 | Jum-Jum | thats not a good sign |
| 06:51.18 | Resinate | yea |
| 06:51.23 | Resinate | when im only 24 |
| 06:51.23 | Jum-Jum | I usually get a migrain when I have flim |
| 06:51.25 | Jum-Jum | or see stars |
| 06:51.34 | Jum-Jum | or whatever you call it in english |
| 06:51.36 | Nash|327 | Jum-Jum are you using start locations at their main? |
| 06:51.46 | Jum-Jum | I just added it now Nash|327, didnt help. :| |
| 06:52.03 | RedWraith | who was the one |
| 06:52.07 | RedWraith | who actually wanted real trigger code? |
| 06:52.09 | RedWraith | and why? |
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| 06:52.26 | Blacksoldier | MOOOOOH |
| 06:52.30 | Nash|327 | Resinate, because he doesn't know psuedo code |
| 06:52.34 | RedWraith | kk |
| 06:52.41 | RedWraith | this'll be done in a sec |
| 06:52.45 | RedWraith | just need to do the last part |
| 06:54.23 | Resinate | nash |
| 06:54.31 | Resinate | if i made a switch |
| 06:54.38 | Resinate | based on a random var |
| 06:54.51 | Resinate | in the switch i change that varible to a number further down in the list |
| 06:54.56 | Resinate | will the switch change |
| 06:55.12 | Resinate | or does it stop the trigger at the switched number? |
| 06:55.42 | Nash|327 | that is horribly bad coding D_D |
| 06:56.03 | Resinate | i havent seen anyone show me something better yet |
| 06:56.09 | SuraklinSC2 | Better? |
| 06:56.19 | SuraklinSC2 | k. |
| 06:56.24 | Nash|327 | you don't need a switch |
| 06:56.36 | Resinate | u want me to use a system i never heard of |
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| 06:57.00 | RedWraith | alright |
| 06:57.02 | RedWraith | how do I post this |
| 06:57.03 | RedWraith | ? |
| 06:57.07 | RedWraith | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:57.07 | RedWraith | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:57.07 | RedWraith | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:57.07 | RedWraith | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:57.07 | RedWraith | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:57.08 | Nash|327 | pastebin |
| 06:57.09 | Resinate | make a trigger |
| 06:57.11 | Resinate | and paste bin it |
| 06:57.14 | RedWraith | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:57.14 | RedWraith | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:57.15 | RedWraith | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:57.15 | RedWraith | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:57.16 | RedWraith | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:57.16 | RedWraith | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:57.17 | RedWraith | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:57.18 | Nash|327 | STOP |
| 06:57.19 | Resinate | ... |
| 06:57.21 | Resinate | red |
| 06:57.26 | Resinate | paste it in paste bin |
| 06:57.29 | RedWraith | http://pastebin.com/xYWBbvjU |
| 06:57.31 | RedWraith | there you go |
| 06:57.38 | Resinate | btw |
| 06:57.39 | Resinate | LOL |
| 06:57.42 | Resinate | loking at it |
| 06:57.48 | RedWraith | It's so much better than yours? |
| 06:57.51 | RedWraith | Yeah, I know. ;) |
| 06:57.51 | Resinate | ROFL |
| 06:57.52 | Resinate | FAIL |
| 06:57.57 | RedWraith | fail, really? |
| 06:57.58 | RedWraith | How? |
| 06:58.01 | Resinate | u have it pick 1 beacon |
| 06:58.11 | RedWraith | so....? |
| 06:58.23 | Resinate | AI - Suggests order ( Attack targeting (Position of (Picked unit))) to Marine [137.24, 129.83] using tactical AI logic |
| 06:58.24 | SuraklinSC2 | Res. |
| 06:58.30 | Resinate | i have 4 units |
| 06:58.33 | Resinate | for the beacons |
| 06:58.34 | Resinate | not 1 |
| 06:58.41 | RedWraith | sigh |
| 06:58.45 | SuraklinSC2 | Lemme see here. |
| 06:58.47 | RedWraith | ... |
| 06:58.50 | Nash|327 | wtf |
| 06:58.57 | Resinate | so that whole code would have to run 4 times over |
| 06:59.00 | RedWraith | ... |
| 06:59.03 | SuraklinSC2 | It's hard to do because you have map-defined beacons in your if. |
| 06:59.09 | RedWraith | Yours only attacks one beacon. |
| 06:59.11 | RedWraith | That's four beacons. |
| 06:59.14 | RedWraith | Did you not read it? |
| 06:59.23 | Resinate | ? |
| 06:59.24 | RedWraith | In fact, mine picks a random beacon among N beacons. |
| 06:59.35 | RedWraith | That is not held by the AI. |
| 06:59.39 | Resinate | well |
| 06:59.42 | Resinate | w/e code u did |
| 06:59.47 | Resinate | didnt show in the paste bin |
| 06:59.51 | RedWraith | ... |
| 06:59.51 | Resinate | i only see 1 unit |
| 06:59.52 | RedWraith | Yes, it did. |
| 06:59.55 | RedWraith | Are you BLIND? |
| 07:00.04 | RedWraith | Unit Group - Pick each unit in (Any units in (Entire map) owned by player (Picked player) matching Excluded: Missile, Dead, Hidden, with at most Any Amount) and do (Actions |
| 07:00.19 | RedWraith | Pick each unit. |
| 07:00.22 | Resinate | yes i know |
| 07:00.29 | Resinate | i shouldve prob said this |
| 07:00.35 | Resinate | theres really 5 beacons |
| 07:00.39 | Resinate | 4 outter and 1 middle |
| 07:00.46 | Resinate | i dont want the marines to take middle |
| 07:00.49 | RedWraith | Yeah, mine works for any number of beacons. |
| 07:00.53 | Resinate | yea |
| 07:00.54 | Resinate | lol |
| 07:00.55 | RedWraith | whatever ones you want to attack. |
| 07:00.59 | Resinate | but how do u choose which 4 |
| 07:01.00 | Resinate | LOL |
| 07:01.09 | RedWraith | Well, you could do a different loop. |
| 07:01.18 | RedWraith | You could assign them all to a unit group |
| 07:01.23 | RedWraith | and then cycle through the unit group |
| 07:01.25 | Jum-Jum | got 6 AI players on my map |
| 07:01.26 | RedWraith | with pick each unit in unit group |
| 07:01.37 | Jum-Jum | but none of them work for no reason |
| 07:01.42 | RedWraith | :( |
| 07:01.45 | Resinate | its fine |
| 07:01.52 | RedWraith | The point is |
| 07:01.52 | Jum-Jum | makes sense none :| |
| 07:01.55 | Resinate | im leaving the system with the basic 4 |
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| 07:01.57 | RedWraith | I'm not an armchair programmer. |
| 07:01.58 | RedWraith | :| |
| 07:02.10 | SuraklinSC2 | heh |
| 07:02.14 | SuraklinSC2 | Res. |
| 07:02.16 | SuraklinSC2 | Hmm. |
| 07:02.22 | SuraklinSC2 | How many beacons? |
| 07:02.28 | Resinate | theres 5 |
| 07:02.32 | SuraklinSC2 | I see Beacon 1, Beacon 3, Beacon 6, Beacon 8 |
| 07:02.36 | Resinate | yea |
| 07:02.41 | Resinate | that system i pasted |
| 07:02.48 | Resinate | is for stealing outter beacons |
| 07:02.57 | Resinate | the main attack wave goes to the middle beacon |
| 07:03.09 | Resinate | but the war pigs go out and get the side beacons |
| 07:03.17 | SuraklinSC2 | mmkay. |
| 07:03.28 | SuraklinSC2 | And you don't want pseudo code, you want someone else to write it. ^^ |
| 07:03.42 | Resinate | i have no code how the fk to make that |
| 07:03.50 | Resinate | and i aint gonna spend a week learning it |
| 07:03.54 | SuraklinSC2 | ? |
| 07:03.54 | Resinate | just for 1 trigger |
| 07:03.56 | SuraklinSC2 | Pseudo code. |
| 07:04.00 | SuraklinSC2 | Is like saying an idea for code. |
| 07:04.06 | RedWraith | hey |
| 07:04.06 | SuraklinSC2 | It's not code itself. |
| 07:04.07 | RedWraith | Resinate |
| 07:04.11 | RedWraith | this might make more sense to you |
| 07:04.12 | RedWraith | http://pastebin.com/75nXX054 |
| 07:04.46 | Resinate | uh |
| 07:04.51 | Resinate | i just this |
| 07:04.51 | Resinate | (Owner of (Picked unit)) == 15 |
| 07:05.07 | RedWraith | what? |
| 07:05.19 | Resinate | u would have to use a picked player |
| 07:05.19 | SuraklinSC2 | That's the "Hostile" player. |
| 07:05.22 | Resinate | yea |
| 07:05.25 | Resinate | i dont use it lol |
| 07:05.25 | RedWraith | No. |
| 07:05.31 | RedWraith | Owner of Picked Unit. |
| 07:05.33 | Resinate | my map is a 4 way FFA |
| 07:05.46 | Resinate | the AI is either player 1-4 |
| 07:05.53 | Resinate | i have no player 15 in my map lol |
| 07:05.54 | RedWraith | Resinate, that's an easy fix. |
| 07:06.02 | Resinate | btw |
| 07:06.08 | RedWraith | Look up Controller of Player |
| 07:06.11 | Resinate | these are all under actions right? |
| 07:06.16 | RedWraith | in the condition stuff |
| 07:06.25 | RedWraith | Yes. |
| 07:06.29 | RedWraith | I'll give you the map. |
| 07:06.44 | RedWraith | You can always just put this all inside a pick each player in player group loop |
| 07:06.46 | RedWraith | for all the AIs |
| 07:06.54 | RedWraith | added via another pick each player in all players |
| 07:06.55 | Resinate | i know lol |
| 07:06.58 | Resinate | im reading over it |
| 07:06.59 | RedWraith | controller = blahblah |
| 07:07.03 | Resinate | looking for any flaws |
| 07:07.36 | Resinate | wow |
| 07:07.39 | Resinate | i def need that map lol |
| 07:07.47 | RedWraith | kk |
| 07:07.48 | Resinate | u have outside code im not seeing |
| 07:07.54 | RedWraith | there is none |
| 07:07.55 | RedWraith | lol |
| 07:08.00 | RedWraith | declared variables |
| 07:08.01 | RedWraith | that's all |
| 07:08.07 | RedWraith | units made |
| 07:08.08 | RedWraith | too |
| 07:08.13 | Resinate | all the varibles |
| 07:08.18 | RedWraith | editor not responding |
| 07:08.19 | RedWraith | :| |
| 07:08.21 | Resinate | LOL |
| 07:08.22 | RedWraith | variables are local |
| 07:08.25 | RedWraith | minus one |
| 07:08.30 | Resinate | yeay |
| 07:08.32 | Resinate | yea |
| 07:08.35 | Resinate | u only pasted actions |
| 07:08.36 | RedWraith | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5848688/beacon%20test%20map.SC2Map |
| 07:08.36 | Resinate | LOL |
| 07:08.38 | RedWraith | there you are |
| 07:09.14 | RedWraith | Resinate, for the record. |
| 07:09.28 | RedWraith | I make a hobby out of bullying people who lack mathematical trickiness. |
| 07:09.29 | RedWraith | ;) |
| 07:10.08 | Resinate | yea i didnt expect math to evolve so dam fast in 10 years |
| 07:10.35 | RedWraith | I don't actually study math. |
| 07:10.37 | Nash|327 | http://pastebin.com/nXrpgDsH |
| 07:10.41 | RedWraith | Highest math I've taken is diff eqs. |
| 07:10.57 | RedWraith | Nash, hey that looks like mine! |
| 07:11.16 | *** join/#sc2mapster Computerpunk (~Computerp@95.76.177.207) |
| 07:11.31 | RedWraith | except |
| 07:11.32 | RedWraith | wait what |
| 07:11.34 | RedWraith | at the end |
| 07:11.38 | Resinate | ROFL u guys |
| 07:11.44 | Resinate | u guys neevr paste the full trigger |
| 07:11.49 | Resinate | u always paste only the actions |
| 07:12.00 | Nash|327 | I just edited the existing trigger in notepad :P |
| 07:12.15 | RedWraith | lol Nash |
| 07:12.15 | RedWraith | <3 |
| 07:12.33 | Zanam | hey vjeux |
| 07:12.41 | vjeux | hey |
| 07:12.47 | Resinate | btw |
| 07:12.49 | Resinate | red |
| 07:12.50 | Zanam | when'd you come on, been looking for you today |
| 07:12.55 | Resinate | does this pick a random beacon |
| 07:13.03 | Resinate | or the same set order |
| 07:13.27 | Resinate | and does it also stop memory leaks |
| 07:13.32 | Resinate | from when all 4 are taken over |
| 07:13.47 | Jum-Jum | wow |
| 07:13.50 | Jum-Jum | solved my AI problem |
| 07:13.54 | Jum-Jum | most retarded fix ever |
| 07:14.08 | Jum-Jum | since theres no wave on "Insane" difficulty the AI just wouldnt make an attack wave |
| 07:14.13 | vjeux | i'm french, it's 9am :p |
| 07:14.17 | Jum-Jum | so changed difficulty to very hard and tada... spawns... |
| 07:14.26 | Zanam | ah, right. |
| 07:15.17 | Nash|327 | I can't start editor atm |
| 07:15.20 | vjeux | so what's up? |
| 07:15.41 | Resinate | rofl red |
| 07:15.43 | Resinate | i was reading this |
| 07:15.51 | Resinate | and i only see it working for 1 comp |
| 07:16.12 | Zanam | ok i seem to not be able to pm, though it was /w |
| 07:16.32 | Zanam | thought* |
| 07:16.38 | Zanam | pm me :P |
| 07:18.01 | Resinate | red |
| 07:18.05 | Resinate | wtf is this line used for |
| 07:18.12 | RedWraith | Resinate, it can work for multiple comps if you adjust it. |
| 07:18.17 | Resinate | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:18.25 | RedWraith | How should I know? |
| 07:18.29 | Resinate | u made it |
| 07:18.29 | RedWraith | It's just the attack order. |
| 07:18.31 | RedWraith | I needed filler. |
| 07:18.32 | RedWraith | :P |
| 07:18.44 | Resinate | is there where i would put a picked unit? |
| 07:18.52 | RedWraith | I don't actually make AIs. The game just works when I ask it to. |
| 07:19.03 | Resinate | problem is |
| 07:19.06 | RedWraith | Resinate |
| 07:19.06 | Resinate | theres no target |
| 07:19.09 | RedWraith | make a unit group |
| 07:19.11 | RedWraith | from your picked unit. |
| 07:19.12 | Resinate | i did |
| 07:19.14 | Resinate | ? |
| 07:19.35 | Resinate | that ai order u just made |
| 07:19.39 | RedWraith | Yeah? |
| 07:19.42 | Resinate | makes the unit attack itself |
| 07:19.47 | RedWraith | oh |
| 07:19.53 | Resinate | not the beacon |
| 07:19.54 | RedWraith | I have no understanding of the AI triggers, okay? |
| 07:19.54 | RedWraith | :P |
| 07:20.07 | Resinate | this whole code was pretty much useless LOL |
| 07:20.11 | RedWraith | sigh |
| 07:20.18 | RedWraith | Do you not understand its function? |
| 07:20.23 | Resinate | yea i under it |
| 07:20.24 | RedWraith | It's for sorting appropriate targets. |
| 07:20.25 | Resinate | and how it works |
| 07:20.28 | Huesy | Works like a charm :D http://www.ahughes.net/banter/1d2f160e1c53344531903a4e05b54869.png |
| 07:20.30 | RedWraith | Quickly |
| 07:20.32 | RedWraith | and easily |
| 07:20.41 | Resinate | but it doesnt pick the beacon |
| 07:20.43 | Resinate | it needs |
| 07:20.50 | Resinate | it only shows what beacons are owned |
| 07:20.56 | RedWraith | ... |
| 07:21.04 | RedWraith | It gives you a random beacon among the ones not owned by you. |
| 07:21.12 | Nash|327 | Actually, I had to edit mine a bit: http://pastebin.com/Lm6T66cF |
| 07:21.33 | RedWraith | That's the point. |
| 07:21.39 | RedWraith | It's to give you the beacon you don't own. |
| 07:21.40 | Resinate | im done |
| 07:21.44 | Resinate | im using mine |
| 07:21.47 | RedWraith | sigh |
| 07:21.49 | Resinate | cuz i can read itr |
| 07:21.56 | Nash|327 | sigh indeed |
| 07:22.15 | RedWraith | Resinate, you need to understand how loops work if you ever plan to use the trigger editor for anything complex. |
| 07:22.28 | Resinate | http://pastebin.com/kX3XQJQx |
| 07:22.40 | Resinate | that works more than good enough for me |
| 07:22.45 | ZarafFaraz | lol he doesn't understand loops? |
| 07:22.46 | Nash|327 | I just linked a trigger based on your own damn code, with your own damn unit names |
| 07:23.01 | Resinate | i dont use notepad codes |
| 07:23.09 | Resinate | unless is galaxy |
| 07:23.11 | RedWraith | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:23.13 | Resinate | its* |
| 07:23.18 | RedWraith | Yes, that's precisely the problem. |
| 07:23.22 | Resinate | no |
| 07:23.26 | Resinate | u gave me half assed code |
| 07:23.28 | RedWraith | I don't think he has a strong understanding of variables either. |
| 07:23.29 | Resinate | that dont know wtf do with |
| 07:23.35 | Resinate | and then u make fun of me over it |
| 07:23.36 | Nash|327 | Well that was a complete waste of time. |
| 07:23.48 | RedWraith | Resinate, there's ONE LINE in that code that doesn't work. |
| 07:23.50 | SuraklinSC2 | omfg. |
| 07:23.52 | SuraklinSC2 | Dude. |
| 07:23.54 | RedWraith | A part irrelevant to the code's purpose. |
| 07:23.59 | SuraklinSC2 | Looking at this, it's EASIER than I thought. |
| 07:24.05 | SuraklinSC2 | Resinate. |
| 07:24.10 | RedWraith | brb, fixing it |
| 07:24.17 | Resinate | dude when i dont know something |
| 07:24.24 | Resinate | i need a VISUAL teaching |
| 07:24.26 | Resinate | not a text |
| 07:24.29 | Resinate | i cant read english |
| 07:24.32 | Resinate | i only read math |
| 07:24.33 | SuraklinSC2 | You can build a unit group from your beacons, right? |
| 07:24.41 | RedWraith | Programming is math. |
| 07:24.44 | SuraklinSC2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:24.52 | SuraklinSC2 | There's a function to randomly pick a unit from it. |
| 07:25.01 | Resinate | ... |
| 07:25.04 | Resinate | go test it |
| 07:25.09 | Resinate | before u tell me how work it |
| 07:25.17 | SuraklinSC2 | With what? |
| 07:25.29 | Nash|327 | SuraklinSC2: that will not work |
| 07:25.31 | Resinate | im talking to red |
| 07:25.34 | Eiviyn | Is today patch 1.1 day? |
| 07:25.37 | RedWraith | Resinate, I see what you did there. |
| 07:25.39 | RedWraith | I can use that. |
| 07:25.40 | RedWraith | brb |
| 07:25.40 | Nash|327 | but meh, I posted a trigger |
| 07:25.40 | SuraklinSC2 | Issue AI Order |
| 07:25.41 | SuraklinSC2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:25.41 | SuraklinSC2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:25.41 | SuraklinSC2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:25.41 | SuraklinSC2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:25.41 | SuraklinSC2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:25.49 | SuraklinSC2 | The unit is a seperate function. |
| 07:25.52 | Resinate | u cant use a random living unit |
| 07:25.55 | SuraklinSC2 | You can use that to pick the beacon easily. |
| 07:25.56 | Nash|327 | and I am done |
| 07:25.56 | Resinate | cuz itll attack any unit on the map |
| 07:26.13 | SuraklinSC2 | ... |
| 07:26.21 | SuraklinSC2 | Unit Group would be your beacon list. |
| 07:26.28 | Resinate | im wrong |
| 07:26.35 | Resinate | itll attack one of the 4 beacons |
| 07:26.37 | Resinate | owned or not |
| 07:26.47 | SuraklinSC2 | Ugh. |
| 07:26.49 | Nash|327 | and every unit will attack a different beacon |
| 07:26.52 | SuraklinSC2 | Ok, you're not getting it. |
| 07:26.52 | Resinate | using random living unit from group |
| 07:26.52 | SuraklinSC2 | Hmm. |
| 07:26.57 | Nash|327 | SOLUTION FAIL |
| 07:27.11 | Resinate | yea |
| 07:27.18 | Resinate | nm |
| 07:27.23 | SuraklinSC2 | The "Random living unit" is a seperate function. |
| 07:27.36 | Resinate | it works good enough to train newbs on my map |
| 07:27.39 | Resinate | hats all i care about it |
| 07:27.42 | Resinate | thats* |
| 07:27.45 | SuraklinSC2 | What I was saying is you could build a unit group out of yoru beacons. |
| 07:27.49 | SuraklinSC2 | Pick one at random. |
| 07:27.54 | Resinate | i dont need something that adv |
| 07:27.56 | SuraklinSC2 | Then issue the order to the region associated with it. |
| 07:27.57 | Resinate | when its not needed |
| 07:28.07 | Nash|327 | http://pastebin.com/Lm6T66cF take it or leave it, I'm going to stop talking about this now |
| 07:28.26 | SuraklinSC2 | Or rather. |
| 07:28.27 | Clord | it is not like it is tons of effort to implement |
| 07:28.35 | SuraklinSC2 | Build a unit group out of the beacons that AI doesn't own. |
| 07:28.36 | Clord | so why not just go for it? |
| 07:28.37 | Clord | XD |
| 07:28.40 | Nash|327 | I know, right? |
| 07:28.43 | Nash|327 | It's easy D_D |
| 07:28.53 | Nash|327 | But look at how much time spent on this. |
| 07:29.01 | Clord | time yo uspend complaining of solution could already have implemented that feature |
| 07:29.12 | Clord | :) |
| 07:29.20 | Resinate | just cuz u guys know this |
| 07:29.20 | Clord | whoever has that problem right now... didn't read everything |
| 07:29.26 | SuraklinSC2 | Well, whatever. |
| 07:29.27 | Resinate | doesnt mean everyone in the world does either |
| 07:29.36 | RedWraith | kk |
| 07:29.38 | RedWraith | I have a better one |
| 07:29.39 | RedWraith | Resinate |
| 07:29.40 | SuraklinSC2 | If your 234 line thing works and you're happy, who cares, right? |
| 07:29.41 | Resinate | u think everyone in the world took years of college and jobs |
| 07:29.44 | RedWraith | You're gonna love this. |
| 07:29.49 | Resinate | my code |
| 07:29.51 | RedWraith | It's two lines long. |
| 07:29.51 | Resinate | is now 34 lines |
| 07:29.58 | Nash|327 | Everyone in the world doesn't try to make maps |
| 07:30.15 | RedWraith | http://pastebin.com/tCbGv641 |
| 07:30.24 | Resinate | yea but not all map makers are pro elite coders either |
| 07:30.32 | RedWraith | sec I'll make it more explicit |
| 07:30.46 | Resinate | wtf red |
| 07:30.53 | Resinate | i can red it |
| 07:30.54 | Clord | hehe you could even pick all enemies structures and order units attack move chaotically |
| 07:30.55 | Resinate | clear |
| 07:30.55 | Clord | :) |
| 07:30.59 | Clord | then when they idle |
| 07:31.04 | Clord | order them chaotically again |
| 07:31.08 | Clord | to attack move somewhere else |
| 07:31.22 | Clord | not predictable threat can be deadly |
| 07:31.37 | Resinate | u just made a 234 line code into 10 lines |
| 07:31.46 | Resinate | thats fcked |
| 07:31.48 | RedWraith | 3 lines |
| 07:31.50 | RedWraith | actually |
| 07:31.52 | RedWraith | the addition |
| 07:31.55 | RedWraith | should be in your init |
| 07:31.56 | Resinate | 10 for pick player |
| 07:31.59 | Resinate | and pick unit |
| 07:32.01 | SuraklinSC2 | Looks kinda like what I said. ^^ |
| 07:32.05 | RedWraith | http://pastebin.com/5RtiMwmD |
| 07:32.13 | RedWraith | Thanks man, made that a bunch easier. |
| 07:32.20 | Darkarbiter | Hey I just realised |
| 07:32.23 | Darkarbiter | you can abuse banks |
| 07:32.25 | Darkarbiter | to create a banlist |
| 07:32.38 | SuraklinSC2 | Hmm. |
| 07:32.45 | SuraklinSC2 | I should look into Banks. |
| 07:32.52 | RedWraith | You want to use the temp |
| 07:32.54 | RedWraith | so you can re-use it |
| 07:32.57 | Resinate | my prob is |
| 07:33.01 | RedWraith | but yeah, the adding to unit group should be in the init |
| 07:33.04 | RedWraith | different trigger |
| 07:33.04 | RedWraith | lol |
| 07:33.06 | Resinate | is multi AI |
| 07:33.07 | Clord | that is not really abusing... also person who bans other dude would need to be in same match to kick that other player out from the game |
| 07:33.09 | SuraklinSC2 | Banks are just basically "cookies", right? |
| 07:33.13 | RedWraith | sec, I'll take care of that too |
| 07:33.21 | Resinate | players 1-4 |
| 07:33.23 | Resinate | btw red |
| 07:33.29 | Resinate | since u lived thru this drama |
| 07:33.36 | Resinate | ill add ur name to my credits on my map |
| 07:33.58 | Resinate | with working AI |
| 07:34.03 | Resinate | ppl can boost the map even faster |
| 07:34.09 | Resinate | since itll only take 1 player to play |
| 07:34.16 | Resinate | 1 player for 10 mins = #1 lol |
| 07:34.16 | Clord | Resinate The Generous has appeared to our kingdom! |
| 07:34.19 | Clord | ^^ |
| 07:34.32 | SuraklinSC2 | hmm. |
| 07:34.40 | SuraklinSC2 | Are banks tied to the map specifically? |
| 07:34.48 | Clord | banks are local |
| 07:34.58 | Clord | but works online too |
| 07:35.04 | SuraklinSC2 | Yes, but is the map it's saved from associated to the bank file. |
| 07:35.05 | SuraklinSC2 | Blacksoldier: |
| 07:35.07 | RedWraith | http://pastebin.com/kSqdcy05 |
| 07:35.08 | RedWraith | Resinate |
| 07:35.09 | RedWraith | Done. |
| 07:35.13 | SuraklinSC2 | Can one map access a bank created by a different map? |
| 07:35.27 | Clord | banks are unprotected xml files... stored on your computer |
| 07:35.31 | Clord | when you play the map what uses them |
| 07:35.42 | Resinate | hey red |
| 07:35.44 | Resinate | cani get that map |
| 07:35.45 | Clord | you can easily cheat in some cases |
| 07:35.45 | SuraklinSC2 | Ok, so the bank is associated with the specific map that made it. |
| 07:35.46 | Resinate | with that trigger |
| 07:35.49 | RedWraith | sure |
| 07:35.55 | RedWraith | but the issue attack is kinda fail |
| 07:36.00 | Resinate | i can fix attack |
| 07:36.04 | Clord | well.... map finds bank based to it's file name in specific folder |
| 07:36.06 | SuraklinSC2 | So, just web cookies. |
| 07:36.11 | RedWraith | also |
| 07:36.13 | SuraklinSC2 | And instead of url's, it's maps. ^^ |
| 07:36.14 | RedWraith | you're gonna want to |
| 07:36.18 | RedWraith | initialize the unit group |
| 07:36.19 | Resinate | whats this |
| 07:36.19 | Resinate | Variable - Set Temp Beacon To Attack = Beacon To Attack |
| 07:36.22 | RedWraith | in init |
| 07:36.30 | RedWraith | I'm making a temp variable |
| 07:36.33 | Resinate | u missed a line |
| 07:36.35 | RedWraith | so I don't fuck up the real one |
| 07:36.35 | Resinate | in the code |
| 07:36.36 | Nash|327 | you didn't even fulfill all the requirements :G |
| 07:36.37 | RedWraith | what? |
| 07:36.40 | Clord | not cookies or anything... xml files ^^ |
| 07:36.43 | Clord | but I get your allusion |
| 07:36.43 | Clord | lol |
| 07:36.44 | Resinate | no remove unit in unit group? |
| 07:36.48 | SuraklinSC2 | ? |
| 07:36.52 | RedWraith | Did that already. |
| 07:37.01 | RedWraith | look at the end |
| 07:37.07 | Resinate | i see it |
| 07:37.09 | Resinate | yea |
| 07:37.12 | Resinate | its way down there |
| 07:37.22 | RedWraith | Sorry. It's kind of a hack job. |
| 07:37.25 | SuraklinSC2 | I said cookies because cookies are supposed to only be accessed by the websites that create them. ;) |
| 07:37.26 | Resinate | lemme add it in ill test it |
| 07:37.29 | RedWraith | Maybe I could get it down to one line if I tried. |
| 07:37.30 | Clord | thecardgame.SC2Bank |
| 07:37.32 | Clord | =) |
| 07:37.32 | RedWraith | ;) |
| 07:37.44 | RedWraith | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5848688/beacon%20test%20map.SC2Map |
| 07:37.46 | SuraklinSC2 | Yep yep. |
| 07:37.57 | SuraklinSC2 | And, from the other "kafuffle" the other day. |
| 07:38.06 | SuraklinSC2 | Banks aren't encrypted at all, right? ^^ |
| 07:38.08 | Clord | with some xml file editing with notepad or whatever and suddenly you have all achievements etc |
| 07:38.12 | Darkarbiter | oh |
| 07:38.14 | SuraklinSC2 | There were some people that were up in arms about it. |
| 07:38.16 | Darkarbiter | banks are stored on your computer |
| 07:38.19 | Nash|327 | you can get it down to less lines, by ignoring parts of the trigger D_D |
| 07:38.21 | Darkarbiter | that's |
| 07:38.22 | Darkarbiter | weird |
| 07:38.30 | SuraklinSC2 | Not weird, useful. |
| 07:38.36 | Resinate | guess what red |
| 07:38.37 | SuraklinSC2 | Personal "settings". |
| 07:38.49 | SuraklinSC2 | Or, savedgames. |
| 07:38.50 | Resinate | i have to pee now |
| 07:38.55 | Resinate | llol |
| 07:39.04 | RedWraith | sigh |
| 07:39.07 | RedWraith | I think Resinate is like |
| 07:39.09 | RedWraith | 14 |
| 07:39.10 | RedWraith | or something |
| 07:39.22 | SuraklinSC2 | Offer him some candy. |
| 07:39.26 | SuraklinSC2 | ...while driving a van. |
| 07:39.31 | RedWraith | Too old. |
| 07:39.31 | SuraklinSC2 | See what happens. |
| 07:39.39 | SuraklinSC2 | Ah, I see. ^^ |
| 07:39.52 | Nash|327 | RedWraith: your trigger doesn't work properly ;G |
| 07:39.57 | RedWraith | Nash, howso? |
| 07:40.03 | Clord | they could add directly to trigger to desire "local" or "stored" bank files.... =) stored ones would be saved on battle.net side and called from there when needed... but would require internet connection and being logged-in |
| 07:40.16 | Nash|327 | Well, you wanted to reduce the number of lines you removed functionality |
| 07:40.26 | RedWraith | What sorts? |
| 07:40.39 | Resinate | lol |
| 07:40.45 | RedWraith | Well, yeah. I removed several dozen points at which it could be customized. |
| 07:40.46 | RedWraith | :( |
| 07:40.49 | RedWraith | I like my long code. |
| 07:40.51 | RedWraith | It's nice. |
| 07:40.54 | RedWraith | Explicit. |
| 07:40.56 | RedWraith | Beautiful. |
| 07:41.05 | Resinate | btw red |
| 07:41.13 | Resinate | i added in pick each unit for the player |
| 07:41.19 | Resinate | to pick all the marines |
| 07:41.27 | RedWraith | you can't |
| 07:41.28 | RedWraith | nest |
| 07:41.33 | RedWraith | pick eachs |
| 07:41.34 | Resinate | this script |
| 07:41.35 | RedWraith | of the same type |
| 07:41.37 | Resinate | LOL |
| 07:41.39 | SuraklinSC2 | You like long messy lines? ^^ |
| 07:41.42 | Resinate | only runs 1 unit |
| 07:41.47 | RedWraith | Well, yes. |
| 07:41.49 | RedWraith | Yes, it does. |
| 07:41.50 | RedWraith | :P |
| 07:42.00 | Resinate | hold on |
| 07:42.00 | RedWraith | You can make it issue order to a unit group |
| 07:42.03 | RedWraith | or to an AI |
| 07:42.03 | Resinate | it wont nest tho |
| 07:42.09 | RedWraith | There's a unit group |
| 07:42.10 | RedWraith | version |
| 07:42.12 | RedWraith | use it |
| 07:42.19 | Nash|327 | Not of the AI version |
| 07:42.24 | Nash|327 | only Issue Order |
| 07:42.33 | Resinate | btw i wann aknow red |
| 07:42.38 | Resinate | would the trigger break |
| 07:42.40 | Resinate | if i moved this |
| 07:42.44 | RedWraith | How I'm such a genius? Yeah, I know right. |
| 07:42.46 | Resinate | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:42.53 | Resinate | to a local |
| 07:42.59 | Nash|327 | A genius who can't make a proper trigger :P |
| 07:43.02 | RedWraith | local = made the second you make it |
| 07:43.08 | RedWraith | Nash, you never answered my queston |
| 07:43.15 | RedWraith | What functionality was lost? |
| 07:43.22 | Nash|327 | You don't order each unit of a certain type |
| 07:43.33 | Nash|327 | you don't check if there are at least 10 of that type of unit |
| 07:43.51 | RedWraith | Hey Nash, that's not my department. |
| 07:44.03 | RedWraith | That's ezcakes. |
| 07:44.13 | Resinate | uh red |
| 07:44.15 | Resinate | another flaw |
| 07:44.22 | Resinate | when ran on a timer |
| 07:44.26 | RedWraith | Yes? |
| 07:44.33 | Clord | two in my tournament refuses to PM eachother so they can arrange their match to progress.... I gonna drop them today |
| 07:44.33 | Resinate | u made it so it runs only once |
| 07:44.38 | RedWraith | ... |
| 07:44.42 | Nash|327 | Indeed, but the trigger is not "done". |
| 07:44.55 | Resinate | what do u mean |
| 07:44.58 | RedWraith | Nash, I don't give people complete remakes of their triggers. I remake core features. |
| 07:45.02 | RedWraith | It's sample code. |
| 07:45.02 | Resinate | the attacking issue i can fix hands down |
| 07:45.12 | RedWraith | Resinate, press ctrl+E |
| 07:45.21 | RedWraith | Periodic Event. |
| 07:45.25 | Resinate | duh LOL |
| 07:45.27 | Resinate | i know that |
| 07:45.35 | Resinate | im saying ur loacls |
| 07:45.38 | Resinate | locals |
| 07:45.39 | RedWraith | What of them? |
| 07:45.51 | Resinate | how would they work if being ran multiple times |
| 07:46.00 | RedWraith | Resinate, locals reset |
| 07:46.02 | RedWraith | every time |
| 07:46.04 | RedWraith | you run the trigger |
| 07:46.09 | Nash|327 | Well you used the editor |
| 07:46.16 | RedWraith | and they disappear afterwards |
| 07:46.32 | Nash|327 | Too much hassle to remake a whole trigger in editor :G |
| 07:46.35 | Resinate | im bashing on ur code |
| 07:46.43 | Resinate | im trying to make sure theres no bugs |
| 07:46.56 | Resinate | im not* |
| 07:46.58 | Resinate | bashing* |
| 07:47.02 | Resinate | tired,,, |
| 07:47.06 | RedWraith | You're not doing a very good job. There are bugs. They're obvious. The point is to cut your code by about 220 lines. |
| 07:47.30 | Clord | I can't use editor right now dammit... their maintenance is going on |
| 07:47.33 | RedWraith | You're not doing a very good job at bashing* |
| 07:47.43 | RedWraith | You're looking for bugs. You should. That makes sense. |
| 07:48.10 | RedWraith | The point of this exercise is to give you an understanding of arrays and loops. |
| 07:48.18 | Resinate | rofl |
| 07:48.21 | Resinate | also updated this |
| 07:48.21 | Resinate | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:48.39 | Darkarbiter | hey clord |
| 07:48.52 | RedWraith | cool story |
| 07:48.56 | RedWraith | Do what you want, man. |
| 07:49.00 | Darkarbiter | any good places to learn banks? |
| 07:49.04 | RedWraith | I just want you to make easy to fix awesome code. |
| 07:49.06 | Clord | honestly back in WCIII... I self learned basics like this..... |
| 07:49.08 | Clord | hi Darkarbiter |
| 07:49.08 | Darkarbiter | I just want to implement a basic, games played, games won |
| 07:49.54 | Clord | well that is easy... you just need few variables with arrays |
| 07:50.00 | Clord | or one variable with two arrays |
| 07:50.03 | Resinate | that should workd |
| 07:50.03 | Resinate | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:50.03 | Resinate | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:50.03 | Resinate | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:50.03 | Resinate | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:50.10 | Darkarbiter | ok |
| 07:50.18 | Darkarbiter | I get arrays |
| 07:50.22 | Darkarbiter | but functions and stuff |
| 07:50.27 | Darkarbiter | is a bit complicated |
| 07:50.30 | RedWraith | Resinate. |
| 07:50.32 | RedWraith | There's a better way. |
| 07:50.40 | Resinate | its 4 lines |
| 07:50.42 | RedWraith | Issue Order has a Unit Group one. |
| 07:50.42 | Resinate | its good |
| 07:50.49 | Resinate | lol |
| 07:50.52 | Nash|327 | AI ISSUE ORDER DOES NOT |
| 07:50.53 | RedWraith | You should use it. |
| 07:50.56 | RedWraith | oh, I see. |
| 07:51.00 | Resinate | nash |
| 07:51.03 | Resinate | if i use issue order |
| 07:51.05 | RedWraith | well, that's unfortunate. |
| 07:51.08 | Resinate | itll break the AI system |
| 07:51.14 | Resinate | from galaxy |
| 07:51.16 | Nash|327 | So don't. |
| 07:51.27 | RedWraith | Alright, cool guys. |
| 07:51.27 | Clord | Games Played [1-2][player number].... i narray 1 would be games won category and array 2 would be games lost category... additionally you can have array 3 fro draws |
| 07:51.29 | Clord | :) |
| 07:51.43 | Resinate | so nash |
| 07:51.48 | Resinate | what line should i use for attack? |
| 07:51.51 | Resinate | send units to attack |
| 07:51.54 | Resinate | dont work |
| 07:51.56 | Nash|327 | http://pastebin.com/Lm6T66cF |
| 07:51.59 | Resinate | theyll attack my base |
| 07:52.02 | Resinate | not the beacon |
| 07:52.03 | Nash|327 | There, I linked my trigger AGAIN. |
| 07:52.12 | Nash|327 | That's all I am going to do on this problem. |
| 07:54.54 | Resinate | that code |
| 07:55.02 | Resinate | doesnt attack unowned beacons |
| 07:55.08 | RedWraith | Side-note: All of this code might explode if the AI owns all four beacons. |
| 07:55.10 | Resinate | it just units back to the beacons they own |
| 07:55.12 | RedWraith | Do not let this be the case. |
| 07:55.39 | Nash|327 | It does not. |
| 07:55.42 | Resinate | btw red |
| 07:55.47 | Resinate | u messed up LOL |
| 07:55.50 | Resinate | on removing units |
| 07:55.55 | Resinate | u made it remove ALL units LOL |
| 07:55.59 | Resinate | not the one lol |
| 07:55.59 | RedWraith | okay cool |
| 07:56.01 | RedWraith | That's fine. |
| 07:56.02 | RedWraith | Whatever. |
| 07:56.12 | RedWraith | It should remove all units owned by picked player. |
| 07:56.15 | RedWraith | That would make sense. |
| 07:56.23 | Darkarbiter | yeh |
| 07:56.25 | Darkarbiter | thanks clord |
| 07:56.31 | Resinate | nm |
| 07:56.39 | Darkarbiter | I understand the arrays but |
| 07:56.41 | Darkarbiter | just not the banks bit |
| 07:56.44 | Darkarbiter | but yeh nevermind lol |
| 07:56.44 | Resinate | im learning this shyt |
| 07:56.56 | Nash|327 | For someone who doesn't know how to code, you sure seem capable of pointing out how others are wrong D_D |
| 07:57.00 | Resinate | everyone looks dumb while learning something this adv |
| 07:57.01 | Nash|327 | Even when they are not. |
| 07:57.21 | Clord | you call this advanced? |
| 07:57.23 | Clord | okay |
| 07:57.31 | RedWraith | lol this isn't advanced |
| 07:57.37 | Resinate | some of us dont have 10 yrs of trigging skills |
| 07:57.48 | RedWraith | I started working when the editor came out. |
| 07:57.52 | Resinate | for me this is only about 1 months worth |
| 07:57.52 | Jum-Jum | its advanced for me |
| 07:57.53 | RedWraith | Never did triggers for wc3 or sc1. |
| 07:57.57 | Clord | it is basics... even if mapper is new |
| 07:58.01 | RedWraith | I'm a physics major. |
| 07:58.02 | RedWraith | :P |
| 07:58.04 | Darkarbiter | I started work when the editor was first thought of |
| 07:58.05 | Resinate | clord |
| 07:58.08 | Jum-Jum | im not a major in anything |
| 07:58.16 | Resinate | u past college? |
| 07:58.17 | vjeux | http://www.sc2mapster.com/announcements/factory-17-wte-6-loading-screen-wow-packs/ |
| 07:58.19 | vjeux | news! |
| 07:58.27 | *** join/#sc2mapster TeddyTeddy (Teddy@adsl-75-26-187-214.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) |
| 07:58.28 | Jum-Jum | i dont know how to define college |
| 07:58.37 | Clord | lol... good luck if you think college education helps crap when doing maps |
| 07:58.38 | Resinate | dpo u have a degree |
| 07:58.38 | Clord | ;) |
| 07:58.41 | RedWraith | vjeux, finally |
| 07:58.42 | Jum-Jum | from my country |
| 07:58.43 | Jum-Jum | no |
| 07:58.45 | RedWraith | I can put my picture up |
| 07:58.46 | RedWraith | :D |
| 07:58.50 | Darkarbiter | what does college education help with? |
| 07:58.54 | RedWraith | Clord, physics helps with all. |
| 07:59.02 | RedWraith | Should've picked a more useful major. ;) |
| 07:59.04 | Darkarbiter | yeh |
| 07:59.06 | Nash|327 | I'm self-taught in programming. |
| 07:59.08 | Darkarbiter | what if you're making a map |
| 07:59.11 | Darkarbiter | that's about circuits |
| 07:59.11 | Jum-Jum | college degree for a job that im interested in |
| 07:59.13 | Nash|327 | It's just logic. |
| 07:59.16 | Darkarbiter | then you need physics! |
| 07:59.17 | Jum-Jum | right now, i dont know what i am interested in |
| 07:59.28 | Clord | I'm self learned map maker mostly....... I learnt with doing over 20 maps |
| 07:59.30 | Clord | in WCIII |
| 07:59.39 | Clord | was good practice |
| 07:59.40 | Clord | :) |
| 07:59.51 | Nash|327 | StarCraft 1 :P |
| 08:00.01 | Nash|327 | I never did any WC3 stuff. |
| 08:00.24 | Clord | also I think myself as logical thinker... I can also visualize in three dimensions :) |
| 08:00.31 | Clord | lol... I can play in my head |
| 08:00.33 | Clord | if I want |
| 08:00.37 | Resinate | well see |
| 08:00.39 | Clord | IQ is somewhere 140 about |
| 08:00.47 | Resinate | the 1st thing iw ent after in the editor was the data |
| 08:00.53 | Nash|327 | A TEST ON THE INTERNET TOLD YOU SO |
| 08:00.54 | Resinate | and galaxy back in beta |
| 08:01.12 | Clord | official european test.... for IQ |
| 08:01.16 | Nash|327 | Visualizing in 3D is supposed to be difficult? |
| 08:01.20 | Clord | not some crap cereal box test |
| 08:01.24 | Resinate | clord |
| 08:01.34 | Jum-Jum | Whats with the constant bashing Nash|327? |
| 08:01.34 | Resinate | how many hours do u think u spent on triggers? |
| 08:01.46 | Clord | visualizing in 3d that exceed I can do.. yeah it can be danm demanding |
| 08:01.49 | Clord | my head hurts if I use it |
| 08:02.01 | Clord | too much |
| 08:02.37 | Nash|327 | Can you debug code in your head? |
| 08:02.38 | Clord | resinate.... no clue |
| 08:02.46 | Clord | but I was big fan of mapping back in WCIII |
| 08:02.51 | Clord | I triggered few years |
| 08:02.53 | Clord | or something |
| 08:03.48 | Clord | I can do new characters in my head, I can view made up world in my head... realtime |
| 08:03.55 | Clord | XD |
| 08:03.57 | Clord | and more |
| 08:04.02 | Clord | typical stuff |
| 08:04.06 | *** join/#sc2mapster Megalon (~Megalon@d86-33-143-107.cust.tele2.at) |
| 08:04.23 | Nash|327 | I don't know if that's unique. |
| 08:04.29 | Nash|327 | Other people can't? |
| 08:05.10 | Clord | it gives prespective... some can't visualize at all |
| 08:05.30 | Nash|327 | I see. |
| 08:05.44 | Nash|327 | I never know other people's limitations. |
| 08:05.55 | Nash|327 | I just take things for granted. |
| 08:06.00 | Clord | there is also people who only think visual way and not hear their voice in their head never.... but those are rare |
| 08:06.54 | Resinate | btw red |
| 08:06.58 | Resinate | ur code didnt work |
| 08:07.02 | Resinate | for 2= ai |
| 08:07.05 | Resinate | so im recoding it |
| 08:07.09 | Resinate | so it works |
| 08:07.19 | Resinate | i under stand how this system works |
| 08:08.06 | Nash|327 | Ah, why do I bother? |
| 08:08.39 | RedWraith | Nash, you shouldn't. |
| 08:08.40 | Resinate | using this now |
| 08:08.41 | Resinate | http://pastebin.com/ajxTpwLX |
| 08:08.49 | RedWraith | He has to learn on his own. He'll just analyze my code forever. |
| 08:09.04 | Resinate | nah im testing my code now |
| 08:09.05 | RedWraith | Resinate, put the add beacon stuff in your init. |
| 08:09.20 | RedWraith | nm |
| 08:09.21 | Resinate | well |
| 08:09.24 | Resinate | it needs to update |
| 08:09.25 | RedWraith | you got rid of the temp group |
| 08:09.25 | RedWraith | w/e |
| 08:09.26 | Resinate | lol |
| 08:09.30 | Resinate | it wasnt needed |
| 08:09.33 | Resinate | when using an array |
| 08:09.39 | RedWraith | It makes things easier, actually. |
| 08:09.42 | Nash|327 | Well I wrote the entire trigger, but nooo.... |
| 08:09.43 | RedWraith | but whatever you want to do man |
| 08:09.45 | Clord | some are not just made for custom mapping.... like I'm not made for FPS mapping after doom XD |
| 08:09.47 | RedWraith | poor Nashj |
| 08:09.51 | RedWraith | he put so much work in |
| 08:09.58 | Nash|327 | "I can't code, but your trigger is wrong!" |
| 08:09.59 | Resinate | he spent like 5 mins lOL |
| 08:10.01 | Nash|327 | Sigh. |
| 08:10.07 | ZarafFaraz | wtf is up with some maps not displaying stuff unless models are set to "High"? |
| 08:10.09 | RedWraith | I don't like what he did, though. |
| 08:10.10 | Resinate | whats wrong with my trigger |
| 08:10.16 | RedWraith | Trying until you find one? |
| 08:10.22 | RedWraith | That's kinda....unnecessary. |
| 08:10.23 | RedWraith | :P |
| 08:10.30 | RedWraith | Makes it take longer for no reason. |
| 08:10.43 | Resinate | it hard codes it |
| 08:10.50 | Resinate | oh yea missed one line |
| 08:10.58 | Nash|327 | I don't know if searching for units to add to unit group is more efficient. |
| 08:11.10 | ZarafFaraz | Res, what are you trying to do exactly? |
| 08:11.25 | Nash|327 | Randomizing a variable and looking up in an array is not very demanding, generally. |
| 08:11.51 | Resinate | added this |
| 08:11.51 | Resinate | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:11.57 | Resinate | to the very last line |
| 08:12.04 | Nash|327 | Searching is generally not very effective, but depends on how SC2 handles stuff. |
| 08:12.05 | Resinate | so when its done running it cleans the unit group |
| 08:12.26 | ZarafFaraz | lol |
| 08:12.38 | ZarafFaraz | Res, what are you trying to do? |
| 08:12.46 | Eiviyn | So, is 1.1 today? |
| 08:13.05 | Clord | their version numbering fail... you released new version of map and it is 1.1 |
| 08:13.06 | ZarafFaraz | I've been wondering when 1.1 is being patched as well |
| 08:13.10 | Clord | then eventually you get 1.10 |
| 08:13.11 | Clord | XD |
| 08:13.15 | ZarafFaraz | yeah, and then 1.11 lol |
| 08:13.21 | Clord | yet they itself number their patches right :) |
| 08:13.21 | Resinate | they said it was this week |
| 08:13.23 | Resinate | but no show |
| 08:13.28 | RedWraith | Nash, honestly, none of this matters. Anything that lets you change one line of code instead of 36 is good. |
| 08:13.33 | Clord | EU is down for maintenance |
| 08:13.41 | Clord | maintenance smells like the patch |
| 08:13.44 | Resinate | red u play usa realm? |
| 08:13.54 | RedWraith | Yes. |
| 08:13.55 | Resinate | usa had maintance |
| 08:13.59 | Resinate | this morning |
| 08:14.01 | Eiviyn | Well it's odd but 1.1, one point one, one point two, one point three... one point ten (1.10) |
| 08:14.05 | Resinate | u have me on ur buddy? |
| 08:14.10 | Resinate | Goku (34 |
| 08:14.12 | Eiviyn | So it makes sense in a way |
| 08:14.12 | Resinate | 934 |
| 08:14.18 | Nash|327 | No, it doesn't matter all that much, but I just instinctively use simpler operations, so that's how it turned out. |
| 08:14.26 | Eiviyn | It'd just be nice if it started at 1.01 and worked to 1.10 |
| 08:14.48 | Eiviyn | Since 1.2 is obviously bigger than 1.11, unless you're blizzard |
| 08:16.05 | Nash|327 | Is it now? |
| 08:16.17 | Jum-Jum | So the US b.net server is up, right? |
| 08:16.22 | RedWraith | And Nash, I know that probability-based programming should theoretically be faster since less information is needed to solve the problems minally and maximally, it's the same as is used in programming without using probability. |
| 08:16.26 | RedWraith | You're a clever one. |
| 08:16.40 | ZarafFaraz | Eiviyn, it makes sense in a stupid way |
| 08:16.44 | Nash|327 | 1.2 is a later version than 1.1.1 |
| 08:16.44 | RedWraith | Though, I could be overestimating you because you chose the name Nash. |
| 08:16.45 | ZarafFaraz | that's like saying 1 + 1 = 11 |
| 08:16.53 | Nash|327 | 1.11 is later than 1.2 |
| 08:16.57 | ZarafFaraz | it's that kind of stupid logic |
| 08:17.03 | Eiviyn | That's what I said |
| 08:17.16 | Eiviyn | In blizzard terms, 1.11 is 1 point eleven, while 1.2 is one point two |
| 08:17.38 | ZarafFaraz | they should just allow for custom version numbering....not auto |
| 08:17.45 | Eiviyn | It defies basic maths though but hey |
| 08:17.50 | Eiviyn | Yeah... |
| 08:17.51 | RedWraith | Though, it requires more storage. |
| 08:17.52 | RedWraith | hmm... |
| 08:17.54 | RedWraith | is it faster? |
| 08:17.57 | RedWraith | I'm not sure! |
| 08:18.05 | Eiviyn | It feels stupid that I need to put a version number on my maps because the blizzard one is just arbitrary |
| 08:18.14 | Nash|327 | more storage? |
| 08:18.36 | Nash|327 | Your solution, you mean? |
| 08:19.03 | RedWraith | Well, either it's probably slower, since mine will take the same time every time and yours keeps repeating itself, i.e. mine looks through each and yours picks ones and forgets them, or it remembers them and saves them. |
| 08:19.11 | RedWraith | In the latter case, for a random distribution, it should be faster. |
| 08:19.27 | RedWraith | I would think that randomly repicking one might be an issue depending on size. |
| 08:19.50 | RedWraith | though, it might be an issue regardless |
| 08:20.09 | Resinate | ROFL!!! |
| 08:20.14 | Nash|327 | It becomes more of an issue the more beacons a player owns |
| 08:20.22 | Resinate | the code worked way too good |
| 08:20.28 | Nash|327 | but then again, it runs faster for ALL THE OTHER PLAYERS |
| 08:20.35 | Nash|327 | ;G |
| 08:20.39 | Resinate | btw the code |
| 08:20.46 | Resinate | doesnt bug with they own all 4 beacons |
| 08:20.50 | Resinate | cuz it removes all units |
| 08:21.03 | RedWraith | Yours looks for a needle in a hsystack. Mine looks through the haystack, finds the spot and grabs the needle. Yours works really well if it's easy to find a spot and piss poor if it isn't. |
| 08:21.04 | Resinate | added in a if-then |
| 08:21.29 | Resinate | wtf u guys talking about? |
| 08:21.37 | Nash|327 | Programming. |
| 08:21.41 | RedWraith | whereas mine is stupid hard if there's lots of open spots and great if there's only one |
| 08:21.44 | Resinate | anyways |
| 08:21.54 | Resinate | thx red |
| 08:21.58 | Resinate | for the base core |
| 08:22.09 | Resinate | only thing i need to fix isthe random unit issue |
| 08:22.29 | Resinate | cuz ppl can over throw the ai when ai sends to few of units |
| 08:23.13 | Nash|327 | Well, if the game keeps a list of all units, and searches that for matching units, your will be slower when there are more units in play |
| 08:23.43 | Resinate | yea i made the ai work fast |
| 08:23.48 | Resinate | they use an attack force |
| 08:23.56 | Resinate | and use thewar pigs to fetch beacons |
| 08:24.01 | RedWraith | Though, one could argue that, on average, it'll never take longer than checking all of the spots put together, making randomization necessarily better unless one wants reliable time. |
| 08:24.02 | Resinate | the beacons in my map give money every 1 min |
| 08:24.28 | ZarafFaraz | Resinate, what did you do to fix the high settings requirement you map used to have? |
| 08:24.37 | Resinate | yes |
| 08:24.41 | RedWraith | I'm actually unsure how to compute the average. I would think it'd be when the probability hits 50%. |
| 08:24.45 | Resinate | i changed the whole lighting system |
| 08:24.56 | Resinate | im lost |
| 08:24.58 | Resinate | zara |
| 08:25.09 | Resinate | have u played my map since i added in AI? |
| 08:25.15 | ZarafFaraz | It would help if you would bother telling me what you're trying to do when I asked you |
| 08:25.20 | Resinate | or was it what all the units were black? |
| 08:25.22 | ZarafFaraz | Yes, and I destroyed your AI |
| 08:25.39 | Resinate | what lighting issues did u have |
| 08:25.42 | ZarafFaraz | your AI did nothing more than train units and send them to the middle, and sometimes try to take a beacon |
| 08:25.45 | Resinate | cuz i use the editor on lowest settings |
| 08:25.53 | ZarafFaraz | I had lighting issues waaaaay in the beginning |
| 08:26.02 | ZarafFaraz | that was fixed a long time ago |
| 08:26.09 | Resinate | thats what i thought |
| 08:26.14 | ZarafFaraz | but some map on US right now called Bloodsport has the same problem |
| 08:26.16 | Resinate | btw zara |
| 08:26.19 | Resinate | the ai |
| 08:26.22 | ZarafFaraz | people with low settings can't view the units |
| 08:26.23 | Resinate | is for learning |
| 08:26.31 | Resinate | not to play harder than players lol |
| 08:26.46 | Resinate | its difficulty should be around 5-6 outta 10 |
| 08:26.48 | RedWraith | If one already has a list of both all the units and the units that aren't, I could argue that the array based one in the three line solution is necessarily the fastest, since it relies on the core code and not galaxy. |
| 08:27.07 | Nash|327 | Well, the probability of finding a suitable value is (1-n/4) for n owned |
| 08:27.18 | RedWraith | I know that. |
| 08:27.50 | Darkarbiter | any of you guys played special forces elit? |
| 08:27.58 | Nash|327 | So the probability would be, what's the name of that distribution again... |
| 08:28.11 | RedWraith | It's always 1. :P |
| 08:28.39 | RedWraith | I mean |
| 08:28.42 | RedWraith | the infinite sum |
| 08:28.45 | RedWraith | of the probabilities |
| 08:28.46 | RedWraith | is always 1 |
| 08:29.02 | vjeux | http://scladder.com/us/ |
| 08:29.04 | Nash|327 | Yeah, not probability, the expected value of iterations |
| 08:29.08 | vjeux | i've started the parsing for the US now |
| 08:29.36 | Resinate | zara |
| 08:29.44 | Resinate | how long ago did u play my map? |
| 08:30.14 | Nash|327 | Ah, geometric. |
| 08:30.38 | RedWraith | I would say that my method is clearly optimal for a linked list, but I'm not sure about an array. |
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| 08:31.07 | RedWraith | randomly picking spots until you find one versus going down the list of marked spots... |
| 08:31.47 | RedWraith | mine would work well with a map imo |
| 08:31.53 | Nash|327 | so expected value of iterations is 1/(1-n/4) |
| 08:31.58 | RedWraith | wait, let's see |
| 08:33.45 | RedWraith | okay, so long as both lists are ordered, mine takes the same amount of time as yours on average, since they're both n/2. |
| 08:33.54 | RedWraith | so mine's better for an ordered list |
| 08:34.15 | Nash|327 | so the expected value assuming random distribution of n is 2 |
| 08:34.29 | RedWraith | oh wait, I think I see the problem with yours |
| 08:34.33 | RedWraith | wait, no |
| 08:34.33 | RedWraith | hmm |
| 08:34.51 | Nash|327 | so, 2 iterations |
| 08:35.32 | RedWraith | that's not bad |
| 08:35.39 | Nash|327 | in comparison to going through a list of possibly hundreds of units, assuming that is how Units in Region Matching Condition works |
| 08:36.05 | Eiviyn | This is a really odd bug |
| 08:36.07 | RedWraith | from what I can gather, your method is universally better except that it unknown amounts of time. |
| 08:36.08 | Eiviyn | I have this mine unit |
| 08:36.09 | Eiviyn | When you go near it, it explodes |
| 08:36.12 | Eiviyn | All well and good |
| 08:36.22 | Eiviyn | But... it also destroys your unit's items? |
| 08:36.30 | Eiviyn | I could just add items to the target filter |
| 08:36.43 | Eiviyn | But really, eh, how can a splash damage effect be killing items inside your unit |
| 08:36.54 | SuraklinSC2 | Items are just units too. |
| 08:37.01 | SuraklinSC2 | You have to make them indestructible. |
| 08:37.25 | RedWraith | Mine works better for solving different kinds of problems, namely problems relating to specific orders rather than random elements. |
| 08:37.29 | RedWraith | Interesting, interesting. |
| 08:37.53 | Eiviyn | I know they're just units, but they're units inside other units |
| 08:37.55 | Eiviyn | They aren't actually in the game |
| 08:37.57 | Nash|327 | I don't worry much about worst case performance :P |
| 08:38.17 | SuraklinSC2 | Make them indestructible. ^^ |
| 08:38.19 | RedWraith | I see. |
| 08:38.24 | RedWraith | What's your background, Nash? |
| 08:38.29 | Resinate | red |
| 08:38.36 | Resinate | thanks for teaching me unit groups |
| 08:38.41 | Nash|327 | Software engineering and interaction design |
| 08:39.58 | Eiviyn | Okay I even removed the items from the target filter |
| 08:40.02 | Eiviyn | And it's still destroying them |
| 08:40.04 | RedWraith | ah |
| 08:40.07 | RedWraith | makes sense then |
| 08:40.17 | RedWraith | alright, I should get some sleep |
| 08:40.20 | RedWraith | later guys |
| 08:40.36 | Resinate | man learning this system |
| 08:40.46 | Resinate | is gonna help on making attack waves NICE |
| 08:41.38 | Nash|327 | Eiviyn: lawl |
| 08:42.02 | Nash|327 | Bugs can be funny sometimes. |
| 08:42.18 | Nash|327 | IT MAKES NO SENSE! |
| 08:43.09 | Nash|327 | Indestructible it is, then? |
| 08:43.46 | Eiviyn | Oh facedesk |
| 08:43.53 | Eiviyn | The area search has it's own seperate filter to the weapon search |
| 08:45.27 | Nash|327 | Weapon search? You mean the damage effect? |
| 08:45.41 | Eiviyn | Yes |
| 08:45.55 | Nash|327 | So changing it in the damage effect didn't work? |
| 08:47.20 | Nash|327 | Good to know in the future.. |
| 08:47.30 | Syniq | Letterheads! :D http://imgur.com/1ejlY&9AFl6 |
| 08:47.51 | Syniq | (for the people who saw the designs last week, and anyone else who is or isn't interested :p ) |
| 08:48.05 | Nash|327 | I HAS UR ADRES |
| 08:48.41 | Eiviyn | Yeah for splash abilities I needed to change the weapon target filter and the area+ search filter |
| 08:48.56 | Eiviyn | Else it was just hitting everything in the area+ radius |
| 08:49.15 | Nash|327 | Guess it doesn't check the filters again. |
| 08:49.30 | Nash|327 | Just applies damage, assuming search filters are set up properly. |
| 08:49.54 | Resinate | HEHE |
| 08:49.59 | Resinate | i love leanring new code |
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| 09:18.03 | vjeux | http://scladder.com/ |
| 09:18.06 | vjeux | omg sexy flags :p |
| 09:20.29 | Eiviyn | Bloody page 2 :(( |
| 09:21.19 | Eiviyn | Are the servers up? |
| 09:22.26 | Clord | I guess I must drop support for US in THE Card Game |
| 09:22.29 | Clord | it never became thing there |
| 09:23.02 | Eiviyn | Might do if people could actually see the map to begin with, bloody custom map list system |
| 09:23.21 | Clord | yeah |
| 09:23.24 | Clord | I have like five map |
| 09:23.27 | Eiviyn | I wrote my whole map in American |
| 09:23.28 | Clord | and only one is known widely |
| 09:23.32 | Eiviyn | And I can't even publish there |
| 09:23.39 | Eiviyn | That hurt double given I'm English |
| 09:23.45 | Eiviyn | Sat there making all their deliberate typos |
| 09:24.08 | Clord | schools here finland teach british english... but you know.. I prefer US one |
| 09:24.09 | Clord | XD |
| 09:24.14 | Eiviyn | I figure most people from other countries only teach american english |
| 09:24.19 | Eiviyn | Or only know |
| 09:24.51 | Xaragoth | its a mixup mostly |
| 09:24.55 | Xaragoth | at least in my case |
| 09:24.59 | Clord | most who understand english can handle about all variations of it |
| 09:26.21 | vjeux | i'm learning coloUrs at school |
| 09:27.15 | Clord | lol |
| 09:27.42 | vjeux | http://scladder.com/blizzard/ |
| 09:27.46 | Clord | american english is kinda lik revision or whatever of that british english.. "improved" one |
| 09:27.47 | vjeux | check the most popular blizz maps :) |
| 09:27.54 | Clord | like... |
| 09:28.15 | Clord | they dropped U from many words as it was rather useless to have there... etc >_> |
| 09:28.34 | Clord | ou became just o |
| 09:29.11 | Clord | somepoint in history ae became just e |
| 09:29.19 | Clord | daemon -> demon |
| 09:29.20 | Clord | etc |
| 09:30.27 | Clord | when I look english I typed years ago..... it looks almost embrassing lol |
| 09:30.32 | Eiviyn | Not really |
| 09:30.40 | Eiviyn | Firstly daemon is archaeic, not british english |
| 09:30.51 | Eiviyn | Secondly droppings u is only done in some american words |
| 09:31.02 | Clord | yeah in case of "ou" |
| 09:31.05 | Clord | sheesh |
| 09:31.14 | Clord | of course words like "unlimited" are unchanged |
| 09:31.14 | Eiviyn | Not all "ou" have the u dropped in american |
| 09:31.29 | Eiviyn | Thirdly there's words like centre |
| 09:31.39 | Eiviyn | That just randomly got changed to center |
| 09:31.45 | Clord | hehe yeah |
| 09:31.47 | Clord | I'm aware of that |
| 09:32.06 | Eiviyn | I wouldn't call it improved, just different with seemingly random alterations |
| 09:32.12 | Clord | also elevator vs lift |
| 09:32.19 | Eiviyn | I like to think the American pilgrims just forgot how to spell :(( |
| 09:34.26 | Clord | hehe |
| 09:34.39 | Clord | reminds me of.. japanese took some words from chinese influense |
| 09:35.45 | Clord | and they have like tons those "wasei eigo" words..... loan words from english |
| 09:37.44 | Clord | wasei eigo words are extremely easy and fast to learn but it is kinda like dumbed down japanese |
| 09:37.46 | Clord | lol |
| 09:38.14 | Eiviyn | Is popularity reset? |
| 09:38.18 | Nash|327 | Japanese, bah |
| 09:38.25 | vjeux | there are a lot of different maps in EU/US |
| 09:38.31 | vjeux | I wish i could test the US maps! |
| 09:40.08 | Eiviyn | Denied by Blizzard's amazing ums system |
| 09:40.23 | Eiviyn | Should really just pool all the maps into 1 zone |
| 09:40.29 | Eiviyn | But then when you join a game, filter you into regions |
| 09:40.45 | Eiviyn | So I join Nexus Wars, but only get lobbied with EU players |
| 09:40.53 | Eiviyn | But it'd be the same version of Nexus Wars that'd be on US, SEA etc |
| 09:45.06 | vjeux | they completly separated the regions |
| 09:45.24 | vjeux | so it's kinda hard for them to fix it i guess |
| 09:47.02 | Eiviyn | Really wonder why they keep us/eu so seperated |
| 09:47.10 | Eiviyn | They did the same in WoW |
| 09:47.18 | Eiviyn | You can't even log onto the US servers with an EU copy |
| 09:47.23 | vjeux | yup |
| 09:47.39 | Eiviyn | It's like, the only game I've ever seen put such a restriction in place |
| 09:47.53 | Eiviyn | I mean, sure, I guess it helps with latency |
| 09:48.15 | Eiviyn | But if halo and other fps games can pull it off with much tighter latency restrictions, why can't sc2? |
| 09:48.41 | vjeux | I believe it's a mix of legal issue, infrastructure easy, billing ... |
| 09:50.18 | Blacksoldier | hmm is there a way to hide the buff icons on units in game for defined behaviours? |
| 09:50.31 | Eiviyn | Is popularity reset or is it just my game being silly |
| 09:50.38 | Eiviyn | Flag "Hidden" |
| 09:50.54 | vjeux | the servers were down few hours ago |
| 09:51.03 | vjeux | so i guess popularity has been resetted as well |
| 09:51.53 | vjeux | also about the latency |
| 09:52.03 | vjeux | sc2 keeps everyone synchronized at all time |
| 09:52.21 | SuraklinSC2 | Yes. |
| 09:52.23 | vjeux | so the lowest latency is the latency for everyone |
| 09:52.25 | SuraklinSC2 | And it's annoying. ^^ |
| 09:52.49 | SuraklinSC2 | Lowest? |
| 09:52.54 | vjeux | highest :X |
| 09:52.55 | SuraklinSC2 | You mean highest. ;) |
| 09:52.59 | SuraklinSC2 | heh |
| 09:53.44 | SuraklinSC2 | The whole not running in the background thing sucks too. |
| 09:53.51 | vjeux | it makes the game easier to develop |
| 09:53.55 | vjeux | allows replays |
| 09:53.58 | SuraklinSC2 | Blacksoldier: If one player tabs out of the game, it pauses it for everyone. |
| 09:54.05 | SuraklinSC2 | ...damn autocomplete. |
| 09:54.34 | SuraklinSC2 | Oh, I know why they did it. |
| 09:54.40 | SuraklinSC2 | I just find it annoying. ;) |
| 09:54.44 | Blacksoldier | eibiyn - statistics-flag? |
| 09:54.46 | SuraklinSC2 | And will bellyache about it. ;) |
| 09:54.51 | Blacksoldier | *eiviyn |
| 09:54.54 | SuraklinSC2 | ? |
| 09:54.58 | SuraklinSC2 | Oh, the buff? |
| 09:55.05 | SuraklinSC2 | There's a "Flags" field, with Hidden there. |
| 09:55.06 | SuraklinSC2 | Check it off. |
| 09:55.22 | SuraklinSC2 | It'll apply the buff but hide all the UI icons. |
| 09:55.28 | Blacksoldier | german translation is weird ;-) thats why i asked for the category |
| 09:55.28 | Blacksoldier | ^^ |
| 09:55.36 | SuraklinSC2 | Oh. |
| 09:55.39 | SuraklinSC2 | Germans are weirdos. ;) |
| 09:55.44 | Blacksoldier | :-P |
| 09:55.54 | Blacksoldier | blizzard used babelish |
| 09:55.57 | SuraklinSC2 | If you view raw data... |
| 09:56.02 | SuraklinSC2 | Does it use the same identifiers? |
| 09:56.03 | Blacksoldier | ah nice idea |
| 09:56.04 | Blacksoldier | thanks |
| 09:56.31 | Blacksoldier | infoflags |
| 09:56.37 | SuraklinSC2 | Winner. ;) |
| 09:56.53 | SuraklinSC2 | Oh, yea. |
| 09:56.58 | SuraklinSC2 | German stuff's coming up. ^^ |
| 09:57.01 | SuraklinSC2 | Yay. |
| 09:57.01 | Blacksoldier | but becuz rawdata is shortened sometimes thats not a general help ^^ |
| 09:57.18 | SuraklinSC2 | Oktoberfest! ;) |
| 09:57.30 | SuraklinSC2 | Apparently we've got the 2nd largest. |
| 09:57.35 | Blacksoldier | they tranlates "order unit to dosomething" into something like "Sort unit to do something" !?!?!?!? |
| 09:57.47 | SuraklinSC2 | heh |
| 09:57.56 | SuraklinSC2 | You'd figure Blizz'd hire a real German person. ^^ |
| 09:58.14 | Blacksoldier | and they translates charge (charges on an ability) into something like charged attack |
| 09:58.23 | Blacksoldier | i can add charged attacks on abilities !?!?!?!? |
| 09:58.30 | SuraklinSC2 | hahah |
| 09:58.40 | SuraklinSC2 | Question: |
| 09:58.48 | SuraklinSC2 | Is it even worth translating software these days? |
| 09:59.05 | Blacksoldier | blizzard has enough german guys working there |
| 09:59.08 | SuraklinSC2 | Most non-english speaking countries have learnt english to deal with computers already... |
| 09:59.15 | Blacksoldier | is it so hard to let one test the german editor? |
| 09:59.38 | Blacksoldier | germans are used oin german software |
| 09:59.42 | SuraklinSC2 | I mean, if it was just offered in english, would there be people who couldn't use it? |
| 09:59.45 | Blacksoldier | every game has a german translation |
| 10:00.01 | Blacksoldier | they wouldnt prefer it i think |
| 10:00.11 | SuraklinSC2 | shrugs. |
| 10:00.13 | SuraklinSC2 | Just wondering. ;) |
| 10:00.23 | SuraklinSC2 | I used to hang out with a lot of germans back in the day. |
| 10:00.25 | Blacksoldier | germans have every film, every dvd everything in german here |
| 10:00.31 | ZarafFaraz | hey did you guys see the Dungeon Keeper proof of concept video? |
| 10:00.31 | SuraklinSC2 | C=128 clubs and stuff. ;) |
| 10:00.44 | SuraklinSC2 | Lots of crazy people who could code freaky stuff in that small memory. ;) |
| 10:01.07 | ZarafFaraz | in the video, redmarine mentions that he doesn't make all of the walls into units and just displays the actors....does that mean it's possible to display an actor without the unit? does this prevent slow down? |
| 10:01.31 | SuraklinSC2 | Model actor. |
| 10:01.58 | ZarafFaraz | what about it? |
| 10:02.05 | SuraklinSC2 | They're not units. |
| 10:02.15 | ZarafFaraz | ok, but does it prevent slow down? |
| 10:02.35 | SuraklinSC2 | Well, the computer doesn't treat them as units, and skips a lot of stuff... |
| 10:02.40 | ZarafFaraz | if you have 200 model actors on screen and 200 units on screen (same model), would the speed be different? and if so, which would be faster? |
| 10:02.43 | SuraklinSC2 | I wouldn't say "prevent" slowdown. |
| 10:02.49 | SuraklinSC2 | They do take up less cycles to deal with. |
| 10:03.12 | SuraklinSC2 | Honestly depends on what's going on, but, a model actor has less overhead. |
| 10:03.26 | ZarafFaraz | well I was thinking in terms of my Smash TV cinematic |
| 10:03.43 | SuraklinSC2 | thinks. |
| 10:03.45 | ZarafFaraz | I was wondering if replacing all of the audience units with model actors would speed things up, or at least prevent slow down |
| 10:03.51 | SuraklinSC2 | I don't think model actors do stuff like collision. |
| 10:04.08 | ZarafFaraz | http://www.sc2mapster.com/maps/smash-tv-2010/ |
| 10:05.18 | SuraklinSC2 | thinks more. |
| 10:05.50 | Eiviyn | Pretty sure some people wouldn't like non-english games out of stubborn-ness, Suraklinsc2 |
| 10:05.51 | SuraklinSC2 | I've only used them via triggers. |
| 10:06.07 | SuraklinSC2 | Well. |
| 10:06.08 | ZarafFaraz | well I created the entire audience via triggers |
| 10:06.11 | ZarafFaraz | they are not pre-placed |
| 10:06.21 | SuraklinSC2 | Ah, well, try the model thing. |
| 10:06.22 | Eiviyn | I mean, in most foreign countries there's a lot of English tv, so most people end up knowing English (at least spoken/written words) anyway |
| 10:06.24 | ZarafFaraz | I actually create the just before they are shown, and remove them right after |
| 10:06.30 | SuraklinSC2 | Search the triggers for "create model actor". |
| 10:07.19 | SuraklinSC2 | Eiviyn: I was just wondering if people would prefer an english version, or... a really badly google translated copy. ;) |
| 10:08.19 | ZarafFaraz | of what? |
| 10:08.21 | vjeux | english i believe:p |
| 10:09.13 | Eiviyn | Well I know a lot of my english speaking european friends go out of their way to avoid the regional copies |
| 10:10.26 | SuraklinSC2 | That was my point from before. ;) |
| 10:10.52 | SuraklinSC2 | Blacksoldier was complaining about how bad the translations in the editor were. |
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| 10:12.56 | vjeux | and it's not even fully translated |
| 10:12.58 | Eiviyn | Well I guess that's to be expected |
| 10:13.01 | Eiviyn | The editor contains insane amounts of text |
| 10:13.09 | vjeux | there are functions that are just blank |
| 10:13.11 | Eiviyn | And isn't really even part of the game |
| 10:13.13 | vjeux | so it's not usable :x |
| 10:13.34 | Eiviyn | Can you change the editor to english? |
| 10:13.56 | Xaragoth | if you download the whole game in english, yes |
| 10:14.05 | Eiviyn | Fun |
| 10:14.13 | vjeux | and can't have both fr & en at the same time |
| 10:14.18 | Xaragoth | which I'd done anyways |
| 10:14.25 | Xaragoth | original VA > loca VA |
| 10:14.34 | Xaragoth | narf |
| 10:14.43 | Xaragoth | I'd have |
| 10:14.47 | Eiviyn | Xaragoth fu and your item hate :(( |
| 10:14.48 | Xaragoth | missing words |
| 10:14.49 | Xaragoth | xD |
| 10:14.54 | Xaragoth | not item hate |
| 10:15.01 | Xaragoth | too many balance variables ruin the day |
| 10:15.02 | Xaragoth | :p |
| 10:15.11 | Eiviyn | Tough! |
| 10:15.18 | Xaragoth | i'd suggest you get the balance down for what you already have |
| 10:15.18 | Eiviyn | I'll stop at 192 |
| 10:15.23 | Eiviyn | Well |
| 10:15.24 | Xaragoth | before throwing in more things |
| 10:15.25 | Eiviyn | The way I figure |
| 10:15.30 | Eiviyn | If I balance what I have |
| 10:15.34 | Eiviyn | Then throw a whole new set in there |
| 10:15.40 | Eiviyn | Which is going to be harder to balance? |
| 10:15.47 | Eiviyn | Besides, I think balance was pretty good |
| 10:15.53 | Eiviyn | after nerfing all the insane items |
| 10:16.03 | Xaragoth | the new one will be easier to balance |
| 10:16.09 | Eiviyn | Keeping an eye on passive shield regen, might have to nerf that across the board |
| 10:16.21 | Xaragoth | because you already have established balance and only need to adopt the new items to it |
| 10:16.34 | Xaragoth | its going to be more minor tweakings instead of a big update |
| 10:16.47 | vjeux | Eiviyn: can you auto swap the items? removing the less levels when you acquire higher level |
| 10:17.14 | Eiviyn | No but it's something I'd consider |
| 10:17.25 | Eiviyn | Wouldn't be too tough to implement something like "Sell all level 1 items" |
| 10:17.43 | Eiviyn | Or actually... with how sc2 handles items... |
| 10:18.10 | Eiviyn | When trying to get the AI to sell it's items I realised that you can't fetch inventory items in any way while on bnet |
| 10:18.29 | SuraklinSC2 | Eh? |
| 10:18.38 | SuraklinSC2 | I've never bothered with the item system yet. |
| 10:18.47 | SuraklinSC2 | But everyone makes it sound like quite the nightmare. ;) |
| 10:18.59 | Eiviyn | It's better than wc3, that's for sure |
| 10:19.09 | Eiviyn | But you can tell it was never part of their main focus |
| 10:19.19 | Eiviyn | There's a LOT you can do with items though |
| 10:19.27 | Eiviyn | And the new behaviour system is just... amazing |
| 10:19.31 | SuraklinSC2 | Yea. |
| 10:19.35 | SuraklinSC2 | I like the behaviours. |
| 10:19.43 | SuraklinSC2 | I've been abusing those. ;) |
| 10:20.00 | SuraklinSC2 | I still really wish the editor had pointers. |
| 10:20.06 | SuraklinSC2 | And could pass variables by reference. |
| 10:20.12 | SuraklinSC2 | That would make me a happier camper. |
| 10:20.54 | SuraklinSC2 | Well, beyond the "parameters" thing. |
| 10:21.03 | SuraklinSC2 | Since, I hope, that's reference passing. >< |
| 10:21.07 | SuraklinSC2 | ... |
| 10:21.10 | SuraklinSC2 | Or not. |
| 10:21.13 | SuraklinSC2 | That I think about it. :/ |
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| 10:34.05 | colawaffle | did blizz ever say anything regarding if we can release our contest entry? |
| 10:34.18 | vjeux | no |
| 10:35.59 | Eiviyn | Unless you really think you're going to win it, I doubt it's worth caring |
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| 10:40.06 | HeyRevolve | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU9N5pLUlyo&feature=related |
| 10:41.03 | HeyRevolve | Do you, or do you not.. know about the bird? |
| 10:44.04 | HeyRevolve | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU9N5pLUlyo&feature=related#t=2m29s |
| 10:44.17 | SuraklinSC2 | This more family guy? |
| 10:45.59 | HeyRevolve | sir, our math shows that the bird is greater than, or equal to, the word |
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| 10:58.39 | qfr | How do you set the starting positions of players in custom maps? |
| 10:58.51 | qfr | Do you have to do it using a trigger? |
| 11:02.21 | Darkarbiter | what do you mean starting position? |
| 11:05.59 | thenk | Map->Player Properties |
| 11:06.26 | thenk | You need to place a Start Position for each player with the unit editor, then associate them with a player in the Player Properties panel |
| 11:07.38 | SuraklinSC2 | Woo. |
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| 11:07.52 | SuraklinSC2 | Nothing more fun than having someone smacktalk you from behind his wall of cannons... |
| 11:08.01 | SuraklinSC2 | ...then quitting the game as you take them out with 50 banelings. |
| 11:08.25 | SuraklinSC2 | Nom nom nom. |
| 11:08.34 | thenk | Mmmmbanelings. |
| 11:09.31 | thenk | I'm trying to create an attribute system for my heros, but I'm having an issue.. everything works fine using a behaviour of type 'Buff' - and the buff shows up as a symbol next to the character wireframe, |
| 11:09.45 | thenk | but when I use a behaviour of type 'attribute', the buff shows up next to the wireframe written out like "Strength: 0" |
| 11:09.59 | thenk | however if i use a trigger to 'Add 2 stacks' of that behaviour to that unit |
| 11:10.02 | thenk | nothing changes |
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| 11:10.51 | thenk | they are different in that the "buff" behaviour has a 'Max Stack Count' and the "attribute" behaviour has 'Max Level' |
| 11:10.59 | SuraklinSC2 | shrugs. |
| 11:11.05 | thenk | (but i can't find any way to set a behaviour level) |
| 11:11.06 | SuraklinSC2 | Havn't done attributes yet. ^^ |
| 11:11.11 | SuraklinSC2 | Too addicted to the buffs. |
| 11:11.37 | thenk | well, buffs are great but things like attribute should really be shown as a stat |
| 11:11.57 | thenk | and while i can get it to work with a buff i'd rather have it with the proper attribute :< |
| 11:12.53 | HeyRevolve | thenk |
| 11:13.20 | HeyRevolve | nevermind |
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| 11:16.11 | thenk | no probs! :P |
| 11:16.22 | thenk | like I add the behaviour and it says "Strength: 0" |
| 11:16.37 | thenk | how do you increase the level of an attribute behavior? |
| 11:16.40 | thenk | wack! |
| 11:18.17 | thenk | if i set 'Min points' on the behavior then that is what it shows and it applies correctly (i.e. Min points = 1, says "Strength: 1" and gives 1 extra damage) |
| 11:19.01 | HeyRevolve | thenk don't you know? |
| 11:19.15 | SuraklinSC2 | Don't link it! |
| 11:19.17 | SuraklinSC2 | ^^ |
| 11:19.18 | HeyRevolve | about the bird? |
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| 11:19.26 | HeyRevolve | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZThquH5t0ow |
| 11:19.59 | thenk | am i going to get rickrolled? -_- |
| 11:20.00 | HeyRevolve | this song is SO obnoxious |
| 11:20.01 | HeyRevolve | lol |
| 11:20.06 | HeyRevolve | who the fuck ever thought this was a good idea |
| 11:20.24 | HeyRevolve | lol |
| 11:20.34 | thenk | i'm going to guess before i click... |
| 11:20.39 | thenk | family guy birdbirdbirdbirdbird? |
| 11:20.42 | thenk | or rickroll. |
| 11:20.47 | HeyRevolve | just the real song |
| 11:20.50 | HeyRevolve | the bird is the word |
| 11:20.51 | thenk | aw |
| 11:21.01 | HeyRevolve | very close though |
| 11:21.03 | HeyRevolve | no i dont rick roll |
| 11:21.06 | HeyRevolve | who rick rolls? |
| 11:21.07 | thenk | loveing the video clip there |
| 11:21.15 | thenk | CHECK OUT MY 80 YEAR OLD STEREO! |
| 11:21.25 | HeyRevolver | hahahah |
| 11:22.08 | vjeux | http://scladder.com/ |
| 11:22.15 | vjeux | we can now add sc2mapster project link :) |
| 11:23.36 | Eiviyn | Page 3! Woo! Wait... oh... |
| 11:25.24 | Eiviyn | Should've just called the bloody thing "Tank wars" |
| 11:25.41 | Eiviyn | It's funny how dramatically the popularity shifts after resets |
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| 11:25.57 | Eiviyn | Maps that were popular before just get blown away and never played again |
| 11:27.06 | vjeux | well, that makes things move |
| 11:27.10 | vjeux | not a bad thing |
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| 11:28.20 | Eiviyn | Must be gutting to see your creation go from page 1 to unheard of |
| 11:28.25 | Eiviyn | Like that WGX nagrand thing |
| 11:28.51 | thenk | hey hey |
| 11:29.17 | thenk | managed to make my attribute levels go up |
| 11:29.19 | thenk | not with a trigger tho |
| 11:29.27 | thenk | veterancy behaviour.. |
| 11:29.38 | Eiviyn | Veterancy is levels |
| 11:30.27 | qfr | thenk> Map->Player Properties |
| 11:30.28 | qfr | Ah thanks |
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| 11:32.55 | thenk | yes Eiviyn, but i am trying to find a way to increase the level of a attribute via trigger or something |
| 11:33.11 | thenk | like i want the player to click a button to choose their attributes, not be given them statically with each level |
| 11:33.48 | Eiviyn | Apply a stacking behaviour? |
| 11:33.53 | Eiviyn | Player clicks button |
| 11:34.02 | Eiviyn | Trigger adds 1 stack of "Intellect" behaviour |
| 11:34.05 | Eiviyn | Behaviour adds 1 intel |
| 11:34.40 | thenk | well the trigger adds 1 intel to the unit. |
| 11:34.52 | thenk | or are you talking about making another effect to add the behaviour and applying that effect? |
| 11:35.49 | thenk | the problem is the attribute behaviour doesn't "stack" |
| 11:35.54 | thenk | it is set |
| 11:39.57 | thenk | guess i'll just settle for static attributes |
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| 11:46.59 | Eiviyn | Can you set a sky in the editor? |
| 11:51.53 | qfr | OUUUCH |
| 11:52.01 | qfr | Woops wrong channel* (watching GSL) |
| 11:54.10 | vjeux | link? |
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| 11:56.46 | Suraklin | hmm. |
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| 11:59.29 | qfr | vjeux there are only crappy restreams |
| 11:59.33 | vjeux | :( |
| 11:59.41 | qfr | I just watch the original but you need to sign up |
| 11:59.43 | qfr | I watch it in VLC |
| 12:00.18 | qfr | How do you respawn a unit every time a unit is killed? Unit Dies, sure, condition: Triggering Unit == wtf |
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| 12:00.27 | qfr | And it forces the type to integer on the righthand side |
| 12:00.28 | qfr | I am puzzled |
| 12:00.29 | Manquiche | Hello all! |
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| 12:01.58 | Manquiche | such a warm welcome... -_- |
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| 12:04.09 | qfr | I just want to check if the triggering unit is a stalker or a zealot :[ |
| 12:04.31 | qfr | Oh man I hate this clicky clicky stuff |
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| 12:10.43 | qfr | I want a function onUnitDies(unit) { region respawnRegion = respawnRegions[unit.owner.toInteger]; point respawnPoint = randomPointInRegion(respawnRegion); createUnit(unit.type, unit.owner, respawnPoint); } |
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| 12:11.19 | Clord | Manquiche... this is one of those odd hours |
| 12:11.37 | Manquiche | lol |
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| 12:13.08 | thenk | sup ReckeD|away |
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| 12:14.35 | thenk | qfr, select the condition then look at the bottom pane. it will list every element of the condition, which you can double click and change to any other element |
| 12:15.31 | thenk | so add a Comparison condition then edit the first element to return Triggering unit type, then the second element will need to be a unit type |
| 12:15.56 | thenk | instead of integer |
| 12:16.53 | qfr | Btw I still haven't figured out how to initialise constant arrays |
| 12:17.02 | qfr | Oh you can't make them constant |
| 12:17.04 | qfr | Whatever |
| 12:17.36 | thenk | right, well, i think you're probably rooted then |
| 12:17.37 | thenk | :> |
| 12:17.55 | qfr | How do you initialise an array of regions? The "Default value" menu only provides one variable option o_O |
| 12:18.04 | qfr | I just want like {region1, region2, ...} |
| 12:18.18 | thenk | create a variable of type region, and make it an array? |
| 12:18.31 | thenk | i think you can even do 4D arrays |
| 12:18.40 | Clord | time to make Arthas easter egg eh |
| 12:18.41 | Clord | ^^ |
| 12:18.48 | qfr | Yep I have but the "Default value" menu only provides one variable option, doesn't give me any choice for the index |
| 12:18.51 | thenk | then you have to add the regions to the variable |
| 12:18.52 | ReckeD | Sup mate |
| 12:19.12 | thenk | that's correct |
| 12:19.24 | thenk | the default value should usually be nothing |
| 12:19.34 | thenk | you set the values with trigger actions |
| 12:19.37 | qfr | It says: Respawn regions = Zealot Zone <Region[2]> |
| 12:19.39 | qfr | Oh. Haha. :/ |
| 12:19.46 | thenk | i.e. the array exists empty and you fill it on map init |
| 12:20.00 | Huesy | UI is coming along nicely :D http://www.ahughes.net/banter/1d2f160e1c53344531903a4e05b54869.png |
| 12:20.25 | thenk | its not a concept which fits well with my understanding of programming, i'll tell you that |
| 12:21.29 | qfr | Hahaha Huesy wtf |
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| 12:22.57 | Huesy | qfr: wha? |
| 12:23.11 | qfr | Huesy are you trying to make a World of Starcraft? :p |
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| 12:23.39 | Huesy | Who isn't? ;) |
| 12:23.43 | qfr | thenk: Wtf when I choose the "Set Variable" action for the array it only provides the region value again. <Region[2]> = <Region> makes no sense in any programming language? |
| 12:23.53 | qfr | How do you choose an index? |
| 12:23.57 | Huesy | Just using a ui that the majority of people know and are comfortable with |
| 12:25.08 | Leaderboard | Hi everyone ! |
| 12:25.08 | qfr | Oh haha nevermind |
| 12:25.15 | qfr | I had forgotten to switch the array flag again, now it works |
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| 12:32.27 | qfr | Wait, is the first index of an array 1 or 0 in this language? |
| 12:32.31 | Clord | now I have tons WoW models for SCII... lol |
| 12:32.31 | qfr | Because it defaults to 1? Wtf |
| 12:32.38 | Clord | I wonder what I feel like doing with them |
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| 12:35.10 | Helral | gfr: it is 0, but if you use the GUI the size is the highest array value. so size = 6 allows usage of 0 through 6. |
| 12:35.35 | Kalekin | Someone give me a quick method of revealing regions inside the game so that I can debug their areas |
| 12:35.35 | Kalekin | :p |
| 12:35.49 | qfr | Helral: Hahaha. How puzzling. |
| 12:35.52 | Kalekin | preferebly something that draws a nice box covering their area |
| 12:36.11 | Clord | hmmmmmm |
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| 12:38.06 | qfr | How do you convert a player to the numerical index the player represents? |
| 12:38.11 | qfr | Player 1 -> 1 <Integer> etc |
| 12:38.31 | qfr | Wtf |
| 12:38.38 | qfr | Triggering Player already is an Integer? |
| 12:38.40 | qfr | Odd stuff |
| 12:38.44 | Huesy | Yes |
| 12:39.09 | Huesy | Makes it much easier :) |
| 12:42.11 | pinzu | i have abit of a 'math problem' |
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| 12:43.06 | Tordecybombo | is it possible to send information to a website from a battlenet map |
| 12:43.32 | Tordecybombo | that's what i thought |
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| 12:46.17 | qfr | lol no, Tordecybombo |
| 12:46.24 | qfr | You'd have to use an external program for that |
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| 12:47.58 | colawaffle | 0 |
| 12:48.10 | qfr | I specified the starting locations of the players in the player properties menu but their view still starts in the lower left corner of the map - wtf? Do you have to use triggers for this, too? |
| 12:51.47 | qfr | Using the camera pan thing now I suppose |
| 12:51.58 | qfr | I want blink and stim to be researched by default - do you set this in the data editor? |
| 12:52.09 | SuraklinSC2 | ? |
| 12:52.11 | SuraklinSC2 | View? |
| 12:52.20 | SuraklinSC2 | Did you disable the melee setup routine? |
| 12:52.31 | SuraklinSC2 | If you did, yea, you gotta move the camera to their start yourself. |
| 12:52.40 | qfr | I did disable it |
| 12:52.50 | SuraklinSC2 | Yea, a quick camera pan works. |
| 12:53.01 | SuraklinSC2 | Like. |
| 12:53.13 | SuraklinSC2 | hmm. |
| 12:53.17 | qfr | Do you need to set default upgrades with triggers, too? |
| 12:53.43 | SuraklinSC2 | ? |
| 12:53.49 | SuraklinSC2 | Probably? |
| 12:53.54 | SuraklinSC2 | Like, enabled right off the bat? |
| 12:54.07 | qfr | Yeah |
| 12:54.16 | SuraklinSC2 | Then yea. ^^ |
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| 12:55.03 | qfr | "Research" is for AI only |
| 12:55.16 | qfr | Set Research Category Current Level |
| 12:55.20 | qfr | Doesn't appear to be it either |
| 12:56.06 | qfr | Ahhh |
| 12:56.12 | qfr | I think it's "Set upgrade level" |
| 12:56.15 | SuraklinSC2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:56.19 | SuraklinSC2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:56.24 | SuraklinSC2 | That does it quickly for the camera. |
| 12:56.35 | Helral | qfr: why not remove the requirement in the data-editor? or is that requirement still needed for other stuff? |
| 12:56.50 | SuraklinSC2 | currentPlayer is just an integer. |
| 12:56.54 | SuraklinSC2 | local var. |
| 12:57.37 | SuraklinSC2 | qfr |
| 12:57.41 | SuraklinSC2 | "Set research item state" |
| 12:57.46 | SuraklinSC2 | Enable the ones you want enabled. |
| 12:58.36 | qfr | SuraklinSC2 yeah I was already using that type of panning |
| 12:58.41 | qfr | Helral: Oh, no idea |
| 12:59.48 | pinzu | is there a variable for keys? |
| 13:00.04 | SuraklinSC2 | ? |
| 13:00.14 | pinzu | key button |
| 13:00.17 | Helral | presets |
| 13:00.33 | SuraklinSC2 | Oh. |
| 13:00.35 | pinzu | yes but I would like to set up a loop |
| 13:00.43 | pinzu | for x 1-5... |
| 13:00.48 | pinzu | if pressed key[x] |
| 13:00.52 | SuraklinSC2 | Yes. |
| 13:00.55 | pinzu | do set keynum = x |
| 13:00.58 | SuraklinSC2 | There's an event watcher for keypresses. |
| 13:00.59 | SuraklinSC2 | BUT |
| 13:01.03 | SuraklinSC2 | Be wary in using it. |
| 13:01.22 | SuraklinSC2 | As soon as you hook one watch for any key, the client will send ALL key events from everyone ingame. |
| 13:01.23 | Helral | variable , type: -preset, key |
| 13:01.37 | Helral | yup |
| 13:01.52 | SuraklinSC2 | But, you can create a trigger... |
| 13:02.02 | SuraklinSC2 | If any key is pressed... |
| 13:02.08 | SuraklinSC2 | Yadda yadda, check for stuff. |
| 13:02.13 | pinzu | but how would I make a loop look through the presets? |
| 13:02.15 | pinzu | never worked with those |
| 13:02.17 | SuraklinSC2 | ? |
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| 13:02.25 | SuraklinSC2 | Why do you need a loop? |
| 13:02.26 | Helral | pinzu why do you want to loop over them? |
| 13:02.27 | pinzu | apart from the presets in functions and conditions that are already existing |
| 13:02.30 | SuraklinSC2 | Pressing a key is a one shot event. |
| 13:02.46 | Tordecybombo | when should i use presets and constants |
| 13:02.54 | Tordecybombo | like one over the other |
| 13:03.00 | SuraklinSC2 | Presets ARE constants. |
| 13:03.02 | SuraklinSC2 | ^^ |
| 13:03.07 | Tordecybombo | yea i know |
| 13:03.29 | Tordecybombo | but when should i use say a type integer constant |
| 13:03.40 | Tordecybombo | because i noticed blizz maps use both |
| 13:03.44 | SuraklinSC2 | Oh. |
| 13:03.56 | SuraklinSC2 | Specify constant when you are NOT ever going to change it after you initialise it. |
| 13:04.18 | SuraklinSC2 | I do it for certain things. |
| 13:04.22 | Tordecybombo | :] :] :] :] :] |
| 13:04.29 | Tordecybombo | :] :] :] :] :] :] :] :] |
| 13:04.31 | SuraklinSC2 | Constant means just that. |
| 13:04.35 | SuraklinSC2 | It's constant, and unchanging. |
| 13:04.43 | SuraklinSC2 | Variable... changes. ;) |
| 13:05.08 | colawaffle | hello, i am wondering if it is possible to change the game variant "difficutly" via trigger :D? |
| 13:05.09 | SuraklinSC2 | If you specify a variable to be a constant, it will throw errors at you if you try to change it. |
| 13:05.24 | ReckeD | Anyone know how to convert .rss sound files? |
| 13:05.27 | colawaffle | "difficulty" * |
| 13:05.40 | SuraklinSC2 | bonks colawaffle on the head. |
| 13:05.54 | colawaffle | sorry for interrupting ;P |
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| 13:06.07 | SuraklinSC2 | Not "generally". |
| 13:06.11 | Tordecybombo | hi |
| 13:06.21 | SuraklinSC2 | You can change the "difficulty" of the AI's individually after map start. |
| 13:07.48 | SuraklinSC2 | Like. |
| 13:07.50 | SuraklinSC2 | You can do: |
| 13:07.55 | SuraklinSC2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:08.15 | colawaffle | oh |
| 13:08.18 | colawaffle | you are awesome |
| 13:08.29 | colawaffle | dont know how i missed that , haha |
| 13:08.47 | SuraklinSC2 | There's also an in-depth one too. |
| 13:08.58 | SuraklinSC2 | Where you can set it's sub-behaviours individually. |
| 13:09.11 | colawaffle | because i have been setting it via game variant, and it seems to be not working |
| 13:09.30 | SuraklinSC2 | ? |
| 13:09.31 | SuraklinSC2 | Oh. |
| 13:09.35 | SuraklinSC2 | That's silly. ^^ |
| 13:09.55 | SuraklinSC2 | The setting an AI in the variants just adds one while testing. |
| 13:10.04 | SuraklinSC2 | They don't actually "work" the right way until you get it up on bnet. |
| 13:10.20 | SuraklinSC2 | And, it won't let you publish a map if you've got cpu's in the variant if I recall. |
| 13:10.42 | colawaffle | actually it did, but ignored |
| 13:10.49 | SuraklinSC2 | Hmm. |
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| 13:11.00 | SuraklinSC2 | I'm sure I got an error last time I was testing and forgot to remove them. |
| 13:11.02 | SuraklinSC2 | shrugs. |
| 13:11.12 | colawaffle | thanks alot anyway :D |
| 13:11.24 | SuraklinSC2 | But yea. |
| 13:11.41 | SuraklinSC2 | Forcing their settings via triggers will "fix" how they act when you test your map locally. |
| 13:12.11 | SuraklinSC2 | I hate AI's. ^^ |
| 13:12.24 | SuraklinSC2 | I spent a day trying to teach them tricks, and they just sucked at it, so I gave up on them. |
| 13:14.30 | colawaffle | the bnet forum is always down ;( |
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| 13:17.33 | colawaffle | has anyone been contacted regarding the contest yet? |
| 13:23.07 | Clord | it is almost valve's policy not to contact their users |
| 13:23.56 | colawaffle | valve :D? |
| 13:24.21 | Clord | oh right |
| 13:24.22 | Clord | blizzard |
| 13:24.23 | Clord | damn |
| 13:24.29 | Clord | I did recently read new comic |
| 13:24.31 | Clord | about zombies |
| 13:24.32 | Tordecybombo | why does the AI refuse to work |
| 13:24.34 | Clord | ^^ |
| 13:24.43 | Tordecybombo | the l4d comic? |
| 13:24.48 | Clord | yeah |
| 13:24.52 | Clord | THE SACRIFICE |
| 13:25.03 | Tordecybombo | i logged 300 hours in that game |
| 13:25.10 | Tordecybombo | l4d2 not as much |
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| 13:25.51 | colawaffle | ok , here is another dumb question |
| 13:26.00 | SuraklinSC2 | Yay, dumb questions! ^^ |
| 13:26.09 | colawaffle | i am trying to set my map's preview image to a custom image |
| 13:26.17 | colawaffle | no matter what i do now |
| 13:26.24 | colawaffle | i get a yellow error picture |
| 13:26.28 | Clord | you must conver them to DDS first |
| 13:26.35 | Clord | convert |
| 13:26.42 | Tordecybombo | i suck at logic |
| 13:26.46 | colawaffle | it is DDS |
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| 13:27.07 | colawaffle | very weird :( not i set it back to the minimap image, i still get a yellow error |
| 13:27.11 | colawaffle | now* |
| 13:27.52 | Tordecybombo | anyone got a map popular enough? |
| 13:27.57 | Tordecybombo | like on the firs tpage |
| 13:28.00 | Tordecybombo | *first page |
| 13:28.12 | Tordecybombo | can you add a degree of seperation thing in your map? |
| 13:28.35 | Tordecybombo | Clord!!!!! |
| 13:28.37 | Tordecybombo | :[ |
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| 13:33.38 | colawaffle | It works now, after I reset all the values to default, and re-do the whole thing |
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| 13:47.30 | mattavich | Evening |
| 13:47.33 | mattavich | anyone here? |
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| 13:47.41 | Tordecybombo | how do spiders work |
| 13:47.44 | Tordecybombo | i'd love to know how to make them |
| 13:48.17 | Tordecybombo | by spiders i mean web crawlers used for stuff like search engines |
| 13:48.18 | Tordecybombo | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/general/general-chat/11407-extracting-popularity-listing-from-battle-net/#p12 |
| 13:49.59 | vjeux | http://scladder.com/?search=Yabot |
| 13:50.03 | vjeux | we can now search by name :) |
| 13:50.30 | Tordecybombo | :o |
| 13:50.37 | Tordecybombo | hi vjeux :4 |
| 13:50.40 | thenk | why does setting an attribute's behaviour minimum level via an upgrade not change the current level of that behaviour? |
| 13:50.42 | vjeux | hey |
| 13:51.13 | vjeux | http://scladder.com/?search= |
| 13:51.18 | vjeux | there's about 2000 maps in the db :p |
| 13:51.22 | vjeux | after only 2 days of parsing |
| 13:51.23 | Tordecybombo | how do you setup these spiders? :[] |
| 13:51.38 | vjeux | php script |
| 13:51.39 | Tordecybombo | i wanna learn how to do this! |
| 13:51.48 | Tordecybombo | any tuts online similar to the way you do it |
| 13:52.08 | vjeux | http://fooo.fr/~vjeux/sc2ladder/parse.source.txt |
| 13:52.17 | vjeux | here's an early source of the parser |
| 13:52.46 | vjeux | it's basically a php file with a set_time_out(0); |
| 13:53.12 | vjeux | and you use file_get_contents to get the page |
| 13:53.25 | vjeux | then you extract the informations you need with preg_match |
| 13:53.32 | vjeux | and you store it into a database :) (mysql) |
| 13:54.17 | Tordecybombo | =o |
| 13:54.31 | colawaffle | if i cant find my maps, does it mean they are played 0 times? |
| 13:54.35 | vjeux | and when you are confident enough in your script |
| 13:55.03 | vjeux | while (true) { parse_player_history(find_player_to_parse()); } |
| 13:55.06 | vjeux | and you let it run :p |
| 13:55.23 | vjeux | colawaffle: i'm parsing random people from battle.net |
| 13:55.34 | Tordecybombo | is it normal for EU to have that much higher numbers than NA? |
| 13:55.42 | Tordecybombo | or did you not check NA as much |
| 13:55.57 | colawaffle | oh ok i feel better now ;D |
| 13:55.59 | vjeux | so i haven't parsed any player that have played it yet |
| 13:56.17 | Tordecybombo | give it time right |
| 13:56.19 | vjeux | Tordecybombo: I started the US parsed just today |
| 13:56.22 | vjeux | parser |
| 13:56.39 | vjeux | so it has less numbers :p |
| 13:56.46 | colawaffle | i was wondering how did you crawl the game list, now i understand ;D |
| 13:57.04 | vjeux | but i'm displaying only the latest 48hours data |
| 13:57.06 | Tordecybombo | so it just checks the match history of each player? |
| 13:57.06 | colawaffle | awesome job |
| 13:57.17 | Tordecybombo | and then counts |
| 13:57.30 | vjeux | so it'll get better within the next few days |
| 13:57.32 | mattavich | Guys, have any of you played obelisk hellfire yet? |
| 13:57.35 | vjeux | Tordecybombo: yes |
| 13:57.44 | vjeux | nothing complicated :p |
| 13:57.45 | Tordecybombo | could've sworn there was a way to check more than the most recent 24 matches |
| 13:57.56 | vjeux | if you find out, I take it :p |
| 13:58.01 | pinzu | is it posible to flat out the model? |
| 13:58.01 | mattavich | Have any of you played obelisk hellfire? What did you think? |
| 13:58.06 | pinzu | if i am making a unit |
| 13:58.12 | pinzu | and I want to diminsh its Z axis |
| 13:58.14 | Tordecybombo | but no on the bnet website |
| 13:58.25 | vjeux | (well in fact it's a bit more complicated as you have to have a player base to run on) |
| 13:58.26 | Tordecybombo | i think you could check more than the 24 in-game |
| 13:59.23 | vjeux | what i'd love to do is make an architecture that allows anyone to plug its dedicated server |
| 13:59.35 | vjeux | in order to give processing power! |
| 13:59.55 | Tordecybombo | sort of like folding at home? |
| 14:00.05 | vjeux | yup :P |
| 14:00.18 | Tordecybombo | distributed computing ;[] |
| 14:01.02 | vjeux | :) |
| 14:01.07 | vjeux | anyway time to go home |
| 14:02.38 | colawaffle | Scharkee, you there? |
| 14:03.10 | colawaffle | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/project-workplace/11340-contest-share-your-blizzard-custom-submissions/?page=3#p52 |
| 14:03.20 | colawaffle | looks amazing , is it on US / EU? |
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| 14:37.59 | Leaderboard | Damn. |
| 14:38.10 | mattavich | hey eladerboard |
| 14:47.46 | Otixa | roars |
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| 14:49.46 | Otixa | evades |
| 14:49.53 | Otixa | kicks SuraklinSC2 |
| 14:50.03 | SuraklinSC2 | reports Otixa for exploting. |
| 14:50.15 | Otixa | l33t hax, mate |
| 14:53.10 | Huesy | >_> |
| 14:54.03 | Huesy | doh, hate it when you forget to record something >.< Not doing all that over again... |
| 15:06.39 | Ka[L]ekin | Is it possible to make a doodad covering a piece of terrain use it's own relative height for pathing? |
| 15:06.47 | Ka[L]ekin | EI, I place a large rock that I want the player to be able to walk over |
| 15:06.57 | Ka[L]ekin | can I bake it's curve into the terrain height through the editor? |
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| 15:12.20 | colawaffle | have there been any words from Blizzard that rather if we should post our contest map on the web yet? |
| 15:12.36 | nicoli_s | ~seen sholdak |
| 15:12.52 | purl | sholdak <Sholdak@ool-18b9bd8b.dyn.optonline.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 33d 13h 46m 11s ago, saying: 'i'm not sure what exactly you want to do'. |
| 15:12.59 | Ka[L]ekin | Cola, quite a few people already have. |
| 15:13.33 | Huesy | I think it's fine as long as it was after the competition closing date |
| 15:13.43 | Huesy | But don't take my word for it as I haven't read their terms |
| 15:15.43 | colawaffle | I just wish that Blizz would at least say something about it |
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| 15:17.32 | Otixa | pokes Lilianna |
| 15:17.34 | Otixa | :D |
| 15:17.40 | Otixa | Mornin |
| 15:17.42 | Sixen | colawaffle: You can post your maps. |
| 15:17.53 | Sixen | The contest is over, it's OK to post your submissions. |
| 15:18.18 | colawaffle | ok |
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| 15:29.29 | Huesy | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/project-workplace/11593-video-unit-frames-v0-1-demo/ |
| 15:33.02 | Fromethius | is it possible to make a unit have a trail effect when he moves that slows enemy units that contact it? |
| 15:36.10 | jorgenpt | Fromethius: Maybe you could have a persistent effect that's fires when the unit is moving at his current position, after a short period of time? |
| 15:36.20 | mattavich | Anyone played the latest version of Obelisk Hellfire recently? |
| 15:36.25 | Fromethius | hmm |
| 15:36.26 | Fromethius | perhaps |
| 15:36.27 | jorgenpt | Fromethius: And then have an actor that shows the effect when it fires |
| 15:36.27 | mattavich | I need some suggestions to improve the game |
| 15:36.36 | jorgenpt | Never played it! |
| 15:37.06 | ReckeD | I need someone to explain morph costs to me |
| 15:37.10 | ReckeD | I just dont get it. |
| 15:37.27 | mattavich | you on Ob Hellfire is on EU |
| 15:37.59 | ReckeD | tooltip displays one thing, actual cost to build is different, and actual minerals deducted is different again, zzz. |
| 15:38.57 | Jum-Jum | lol |
| 15:39.20 | Jum-Jum | I went from listening to one song the entire yesterday, and when I wake up I find another from the same band and I get in love in this one as much as the last |
| 15:39.23 | Jum-Jum | untz untz untz |
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| 15:41.52 | colawaffle | http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/ |
| 15:41.58 | colawaffle | is the bnet forum acting funky |
| 15:42.01 | colawaffle | for anyone else? |
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| 15:44.08 | SuraklinSC2 | Nice. |
| 15:44.09 | SuraklinSC2 | I love cheese. |
| 15:44.18 | Aetos | mmmm |
| 15:44.19 | Aetos | cheeese |
| 15:44.57 | Huesy | That forum link seemed to kill my browser =P |
| 15:45.52 | colawaffle | This page contains the following errors: error on line 141 at column 161: EntityRef: expecting ';' Below is a rendering of the page up to the first error. |
| 15:45.56 | colawaffle | lol blizzard |
| 15:46.05 | Huesy | Someone forgot a semicolon! |
| 15:46.08 | Huesy | D= |
| 15:48.53 | Huesy | Hmm...IRC is good...browsers not so much... |
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| 15:52.38 | Huesy2 | =P |
| 15:55.43 | Lilianna | colawaffle, They forgot a semicolon |
| 15:55.57 | Lilianna | oh hehe missed Huesy saing that |
| 15:55.58 | Lilianna | c.c |
| 15:56.24 | colawaffle | indeed :P |
| 15:56.38 | colawaffle | the actual boards themselves are working tho |
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| 16:02.08 | Aetos | is there a way to create an upgrade that upgrades the damage for every effect? Or do I have to go and create an upgrade and add every single effect to it? |
| 16:02.49 | colawaffle | I just found a 4chan joke inside Blizzard maps : \ |
| 16:02.55 | Aetos | ??? |
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| 16:04.19 | Lilianna | What, the Over 9000 one? |
| 16:04.28 | colawaffle | ya |
| 16:04.38 | Lilianna | That was found weeks ago. :) |
| 16:04.40 | colawaffle | @Aetos, make a seperate damage effect |
| 16:04.53 | colawaffle | oh oops |
| 16:05.11 | Aetos | make a seperate damage effect for what purpose? |
| 16:05.14 | colawaffle | @Aetos, and put them in a Set |
| 16:05.22 | Aetos | oooo |
| 16:05.24 | colawaffle | then make an upgrade for that effect |
| 16:05.26 | Aetos | I got ya |
| 16:05.28 | Aetos | smart idea :D |
| 16:05.34 | colawaffle | :D |
| 16:05.34 | Aetos | and just make the upgrade modify that effect |
| 16:05.51 | Aetos | sweet, I would have never thought of that |
| 16:05.53 | Huesy | Video processed :D Time for bed. gnight all :) |
| 16:05.55 | Aetos | way to think outside the box :D |
| 16:06.03 | colawaffle | you welcome |
| 16:06.04 | Aetos | I just woke up, haha |
| 16:06.08 | Aetos | nite |
| 16:06.12 | Huesy | 2am in Aus :( |
| 16:06.19 | Aetos | yea, I figured |
| 16:06.23 | Aetos | 12pm here |
| 16:06.28 | Aetos | New York |
| 16:06.38 | IskatuMesk | oooooooooooooooh |
| 16:06.38 | IskatuMesk | I'll process YOUR video |
| 16:06.39 | Huesy | Living in the past I see ;) |
| 16:06.48 | Aetos | :p |
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| 16:06.55 | Aetos | I hope a kangaroo kicks you while you sleep |
| 16:07.07 | IskatuMesk | I have... |
| 16:07.10 | Huesy | IskatuMesk: Next time you can, I'm sure it'll be faster =P |
| 16:07.14 | IskatuMesk | 1tb of video to encode atm |
| 16:07.17 | Aetos | O.O |
| 16:07.19 | IskatuMesk | and about 6-7 hours of replays to cast and then encode |
| 16:07.24 | Aetos | I don't think my hard drive is even 1tb |
| 16:07.24 | Aetos | lol |
| 16:07.29 | IskatuMesk | and then I need to edit/upload it all |
| 16:07.31 | Aetos | I think I have around 800gb or so |
| 16:07.37 | Huesy | Have fun with that! |
| 16:07.42 | IskatuMesk | I have 5.5tb, the one 1.5tb is solely dedicated to fraps |
| 16:08.04 | IskatuMesk | it fills up rather quickly when recording at 1920x1200 |
| 16:08.07 | Huesy | I have a macbook and its onboard 500gig HDD *flex* >_> |
| 16:08.15 | IskatuMesk | lololol |
| 16:08.32 | IskatuMesk | I don't think the software I use to encode would even work on a mac |
| 16:08.40 | Huesy | No software works on mac |
| 16:08.50 | Aetos | I've got a 600gb and a 250gb |
| 16:08.55 | Huesy | I don't even get the tooltips in the data editor telling me what's what |
| 16:08.59 | Aetos | wtf? |
| 16:08.59 | Aetos | wow |
| 16:09.04 | Aetos | I hate mac.. |
| 16:09.12 | IskatuMesk | lol |
| 16:09.19 | Aetos | whenever I go to a friends or relatives house and they have an apple(Im always called to fix people's computers) |
| 16:09.23 | Aetos | i just think.. god damnit |
| 16:09.46 | Huesy | When a mac breaks, they're actually designed for you to go out and buy a new one -_- |
| 16:09.50 | Aetos | lol |
| 16:09.57 | Huesy | When this one dies, back to PC |
| 16:09.59 | Aetos | who designs a laptop without a damn right mouse button!!! |
| 16:10.09 | Aetos | I hate that 2 finger + touch for right click |
| 16:10.11 | Huesy | Oh it's got right mouse |
| 16:10.18 | Huesy | You just can't hold down left and right at the same time |
| 16:10.24 | Aetos | lol |
| 16:10.28 | Huesy | I don't like choice. I just want to mash. |
| 16:10.49 | Aetos | damnit |
| 16:10.54 | Huesy | And don't get me started on that stupid little scroll ball |
| 16:10.55 | Aetos | where is a ps3 hack for a device I own |
| 16:10.55 | Aetos | :( |
| 16:11.01 | Blacksoldier | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:11.21 | Huesy | *face to the palm* |
| 16:11.50 | Huesy | Alright, bed time again. Night. |
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| 16:14.27 | Tordecybombo | test |
| 16:15.58 | Aetos | OMG |
| 16:16.03 | Aetos | THE TERRAIN I MADE 2 DAYS AGO FOR MY MAP WASN'T SAVED |
| 16:16.05 | Aetos | >:( |
| 16:18.05 | Arthas- | still doesnt beat me! |
| 16:18.20 | Aetos | either way, the terrain wasn't anything great.. was a couple of cliffs |
| 16:18.21 | Aetos | lol |
| 16:18.25 | Arthas- | I barely touched my terrain, then suddenly I had doodads and terrain modifications on my map a few days later |
| 16:18.33 | Arthas- | random points, looked like they were from the campaign |
| 16:18.39 | Aetos | We have completed our investigation of the transaction below and were |
| 16:18.39 | Aetos | unable to find evidence of unauthorized access to the buyerÂ’s account. This |
| 16:18.39 | Aetos | case was denied to the buyer and no funds were recovered from your account. |
| 16:18.42 | Aetos | HELL YEA |
| 16:18.43 | Aetos | screw you |
| 16:18.51 | Aetos | wtf Arthas-? lol |
| 16:18.56 | Aetos | do you know how that happened? |
| 16:19.16 | Arthas- | blizzard repair utility doesnt fix the register.... |
| 16:19.26 | Arthas- | no idea |
| 16:20.09 | Arthas- | ah well, time to start working |
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| 16:29.21 | Fromethius | lol |
| 16:29.36 | Fromethius | http://sc2casts.com/cast725-TheLittleOne-vs-Dimaga-Best-of-5-SC2Casts.com-Invitational-Finals <-- pretty good series |
| 16:30.01 | Fromethius | mass queens, thor dropships, 2 minute gg, etc. |
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| 16:40.14 | Aetos | I don't like bridges.. |
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| 16:43.44 | Araxnid | Hello everyone, is there way to add liberty campaing library to map, after i create it with melee library? |
| 16:46.37 | s3rius | @arax: File -> Dependencies -> Add Standard |
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| 16:47.42 | depthsofchaos | grr is there any way to determine if a unit is in region including its radius? with trigger. right now it only counts its center point:/ |
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| 16:50.49 | Otixa | ¬_¬ |
| 16:52.26 | s3rius | @depths: well, you could expand the region and then check whether the unit is within bounds minus it's collision size |
| 16:52.31 | Sevenix | depthsofchaos just make the region bigger by half the same amont as the unit radius? |
| 16:53.11 | Leaderboard | That Lost Viking game is hard to modify :p |
| 16:53.12 | s3rius | if (UnitX+collision) < maxX && (UnitX+collision) > minX && (same for Y) |
| 16:53.57 | Leaderboard | Clord, boy, you there ? |
| 16:54.25 | depthsofchaos | would have to loop thorugh every unit + check catalogs |
| 16:54.29 | depthsofchaos | rly ineffective:/ |
| 16:54.43 | s3rius | But it works. And it's the only way I would know. |
| 16:54.45 | depthsofchaos | most units would be checked 10 times cause of the huge radius |
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| 16:55.07 | s3rius | You want to use this as a Unit Enters Region event? |
| 16:55.09 | Jum-Jum | rawr! |
| 16:55.10 | s3rius | Or just checking? |
| 16:55.13 | Jum-Jum | The sleeper has awoken! |
| 16:55.25 | depthsofchaos | just checking |
| 16:55.27 | Arthas-work | Jum-Jum you slept til now? |
| 16:55.32 | s3rius | As Unit Enters Region it would be kinda ineffective (still, it works!). As a normal check it's fine. |
| 16:55.36 | Jum-Jum | i slept from 11am to about 5pm |
| 16:55.44 | Jum-Jum | I was going to bed at midnight but I started making a map |
| 16:55.45 | Arthas-work | well done |
| 16:55.48 | Jum-Jum | and I ended up working on it for 11 hours |
| 16:55.51 | Arthas-work | I cant get up before 11 pm :p |
| 16:55.52 | s3rius | Why would you need to check them 10 times? I check is enough to see if they are inside or not. |
| 16:55.53 | Arthas-work | err |
| 16:56.08 | s3rius | 1 check* |
| 16:56.09 | Arthas-work | I see what you did there. :p |
| 16:56.12 | Jum-Jum | its looking pretty good its just one area that looks nice... but I dont know how well it will perform gameplaywise |
| 16:56.15 | depthsofchaos | cause i got a line of circle regions |
| 16:56.29 | Jum-Jum | i spent some decent amount of time making it look nice too |
| 16:56.33 | Jum-Jum | but I think I have to remove it :| |
| 16:56.45 | s3rius | Can't make it a few larger square regions? Or a few larger circles? |
| 16:57.08 | depthsofchaos | then id have to even specify the direction they go to |
| 16:57.14 | depthsofchaos | so if something is inbetween |
| 16:57.53 | depthsofchaos | OOOOOOunitOOO |
| 16:57.59 | s3rius | So the seperate circles overlap? |
| 16:58.09 | s3rius | If not, I don't see the problem. |
| 16:58.24 | s3rius | Basically: Pick every unit in (circle region x) and do (your own circle check for region x) |
| 16:58.52 | depthsofchaos | no but if i use fewer big regions it will see units between the circles as not in the region |
| 16:58.52 | s3rius | You don't have to check whether unit A is region Y when it's not even nearby |
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| 16:59.12 | s3rius | Forgot about the big regions. Use your small ones. |
| 16:59.32 | depthsofchaos | but small ones dont include the radius |
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| 16:59.45 | depthsofchaos | of the unit |
| 16:59.46 | s3rius | Just expand the a little (so that they overlap a bit) so they catch units according the collision size. |
| 17:00.10 | s3rius | them* |
| 17:00.12 | s3rius | expand them* |
| 17:00.15 | depthsofchaos | ye as i said it will count big units 10 times |
| 17:00.18 | depthsofchaos | like radius of 4 |
| 17:00.34 | depthsofchaos | but im gona check |
| 17:00.36 | Leaderboard | What If I publish Lost Viking Multiplayer ? Will Blizzard ban me ? |
| 17:00.38 | depthsofchaos | how bad it is |
| 17:00.41 | depthsofchaos | thanks |
| 17:00.53 | Araxnid | stupid question. but i never work with validators, so how to create simple like - if enemy in range of sight then behavior didnt work |
| 17:00.54 | s3rius | That's how it goes then. Either you have to reduce sensitivity by reducing the number of regions or some units will get checked more than once. |
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| 17:01.56 | Sixen | s3rius is s3rius. |
| 17:02.09 | s3rius | Btw, circle distance cheks are pretty efficient too. You just have to calculate the hypothenusis (delta x² * delta y²) and as the radius of the region you use radius² - this way you don't need to do the square root |
| 17:02.16 | s3rius | Sixen is a robot! |
| 17:02.21 | s3rius | I'm keeping an eye on you |
| 17:02.25 | DarkRevenant | ... |
| 17:02.28 | DarkRevenant | he's a cylon |
| 17:02.29 | s3rius | o.0 |
| 17:02.41 | Sixen | boop |
| 17:02.52 | Otixa | smacks Sixen |
| 17:03.00 | s3rius | This eye -> Ò.ó |
| 17:03.12 | Otixa | smacks s3rius aswell |
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| 17:03.16 | s3rius | X.x |
| 17:03.17 | Otixa | No funky eyes |
| 17:03.17 | Tordy | hey |
| 17:03.22 | Sixen | bloop |
| 17:03.23 | Tordy | hi s3rius |
| 17:03.36 | s3rius | Welcome, traveler. |
| 17:03.37 | Otixa | Sixen is a robot >:| |
| 17:03.40 | Aetos | is there a condition to check if there is ANY doodad in an area? and if there is, don't run a trigger? |
| 17:03.41 | DarkRevenant | sixen |
| 17:03.43 | DarkRevenant | has a plan |
| 17:03.55 | Tordy | alright anyone know how to do this? |
| 17:04.07 | Eightus | fu Sixen! |
| 17:04.14 | Eightus | punches Sevenix |
| 17:04.17 | DarkRevenant | fufufu? |
| 17:04.21 | IskatuMesk | Otixa vs peer = peer wins???? |
| 17:04.22 | Eightus | Where is your god now?! |
| 17:04.26 | Sixen | bleep |
| 17:04.27 | s3rius | Stop beating up our visitors -.- |
| 17:04.42 | Eightus | No, I am better than Sixen and Sevenix, for I am Eightus |
| 17:04.46 | Tordy | If a unit w/ behavior x takes damage greater than 20, the unit will gain some behavior |
| 17:04.47 | Eightus | /flex |
| 17:04.56 | Tordy | how would i do this? |
| 17:05.05 | Sixen | o_o |
| 17:05.10 | DarkRevenant | Eightus |
| 17:05.10 | s3rius | @Aetos: I think there is no doodad enumeration... so I think it doesn't work that easily. |
| 17:05.12 | Leaderboard | Will I be banned by Blizzard if I publish Lost Viking Multiplayer ? |
| 17:05.18 | Tordy | hi leaderboard |
| 17:05.18 | DarkRevenant | that would make Centurion several times better than you |
| 17:05.18 | Tordy | nah |
| 17:05.19 | Aetos | damnit |
| 17:05.20 | Araxnid | err..i have a validator..how to made that if this validator works, behavior stop works? i have 2 options in behavior and they "localization" just get me stupped..all of 2 saying about deleting validator from behavior.. |
| 17:05.20 | Aetos | oh well |
| 17:05.21 | Leaderboard | ok :p |
| 17:05.26 | Aetos | guess my bomb will go through doodads,lol |
| 17:05.31 | Eightus | smacks DarkRevenant |
| 17:05.31 | Leaderboard | CLORD ! |
| 17:05.33 | Eightus | Shush |
| 17:05.41 | DarkRevenant | you missed |
| 17:05.45 | DarkRevenant | i'm 2000 miles from you |
| 17:05.49 | Aetos | Dark`Work, I think you can use blizzard things in published maps.. so I don't think they would ban you |
| 17:05.53 | Tordy | i cant figure out how to retrieve the last damage taken by the unit |
| 17:05.54 | Aetos | errr |
| 17:05.56 | Aetos | Leaderboard* |
| 17:06.01 | Tordy | anyone kno w? |
| 17:06.17 | s3rius | @Tordy: Look at the Immortal's Hardened Shield buff. It reduced damage when damage greater 10. I think you can set up the buff so it casts an effect instead of reducing damage. This effect would be an "apply behavior" effect |
| 17:06.23 | Otixa | Solike |
| 17:06.31 | Otixa | We need to finish the stuff for ModCraft |
| 17:06.38 | Otixa | But Xaragoth is being a slacking fagget |
| 17:06.40 | Otixa | >;/ |
| 17:06.49 | Aetos | who wants to test my unplayable map? :p |
| 17:06.54 | Aetos | jk |
| 17:07.25 | Otixa | s3riusly_afk, 4srsly? |
| 17:07.28 | DarkRevenant | who wants to test my map that injects an instruction into a sc2 dll, causing the game to delete itself next time you run it? |
| 17:07.28 | Tordy | i think immortal shields set every damage to 10 |
| 17:07.45 | Aetos | DarkRevenant, me! |
| 17:07.47 | DarkRevenant | immortal shields cap damage at 10 |
| 17:07.50 | s3riusly_afk | yo, I can hardly respond to that when I'm afk -.- so buggar off you lazy git! |
| 17:07.58 | Otixa | D:< |
| 17:08.03 | Tordy | that's what they want you to believe |
| 17:08.03 | s3riusly_afk | Rawr * afk * |
| 17:08.14 | Otixa | ducttapes s3riusly_afk to the floor |
| 17:08.17 | DarkRevenant | if you take 2 damage, you won't get extra 8 damage by ACTIVATING YOUR MEGASHIELD |
| 17:09.17 | Tordy | nope immortal shields dont retrieve the exact damage in anyway |
| 17:09.27 | Tordy | all it does is clamp the max damage to 10 |
| 17:09.33 | Tordy | as a damage response |
| 17:10.32 | Tordy | its minimum damage is also 10 |
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| 17:10.51 | Tordy | so hardened shields essentially sets every damage to 10, even something that deals 1 damage |
| 17:12.08 | Tordy | so any ideas? |
| 17:12.31 | Tordy | on how I can apply a behavior if the last damage taken was greater than say 20 |
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| 17:16.26 | frG | 5 more hours left so sign up for our [EU] Cash Cup , you can find more info over @ www.scvready.com , hope to see you in our cup =) |
| 17:16.37 | Tordy | i got an idea |
| 17:16.58 | Tordy | but im not sure if the max hp retrieved is from the unit or from the catalogue value |
| 17:17.26 | ReckeD | can you use triggers tordy? |
| 17:17.31 | Tordy | no triggers! |
| 17:17.35 | ReckeD | or is this effect going to be used super frequently |
| 17:17.42 | Tordy | quite frequently |
| 17:17.44 | Tordy | it's a damage response |
| 17:17.50 | ReckeD | on a hero or something? |
| 17:17.55 | Tordy | on a common unit |
| 17:18.05 | ReckeD | you could try and create an auto-cast spell |
| 17:18.08 | ReckeD | with a validator |
| 17:18.20 | ReckeD | but im not sure if youll be able to check for damage taken in one attack |
| 17:18.27 | Tordy | that's the problem |
| 17:18.34 | Tordy | i cant figure out that part |
| 17:18.46 | Tordy | i was planning on just using a behavior w/ damage response |
| 17:25.49 | mattavich | Everytime I upload my bloody map it keeps failing the fecker |
| 17:25.58 | mattavich | gateway down or something |
| 17:26.25 | Aetos | is shallow water that you can walk in possible? |
| 17:26.36 | Tordy | what's the difference between comparing vital and vitality? |
| 17:29.35 | Lilianna | Aetos, Yes, of course |
| 17:30.29 | Tordy | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:31.24 | Lilianna | Aetos, the lava in the Campaign Map Redstone is technically water |
| 17:31.28 | Lilianna | and your units can walk into, and die. |
| 17:31.50 | Lilianna | or the campaign map on Redstone |
| 17:31.53 | Lilianna | whatever |
| 17:34.31 | Blacksoldier | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:35.25 | mattavich | since my map went live im finding it hard to publish new versions |
| 17:35.30 | mattavich | always gateway down |
| 17:35.37 | Aetos | well |
| 17:35.39 | Aetos | bring the gateway up |
| 17:35.42 | Aetos | maybe a pylon is broken |
| 17:37.39 | Tordy | what's a specific name for an adverse effect that happens the beneficial effects? |
| 17:37.43 | Tordy | it's not aftereffects |
| 17:37.57 | Tordy | what's a specific name for an adverse effect that happens after the beneficial effects? |
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| 17:39.05 | s3riusly_afk | what the fuck, who daped me to the ground?!? otixa was that you?? RAWR Just wait when I got myself loose again! |
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| 17:40.42 | IskatuMesk | PURRING MAGGOTS |
| 17:40.52 | Lilianna | Tordy: Side effects |
| 17:41.21 | Tordy | side effects can happen during the benficial effects though |
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| 17:42.02 | IskatuMesk | hey |
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| 17:42.06 | Lilianna | Thats not always true |
| 17:42.12 | IskatuMesk | I'll be making audio editing/voice acting tutorials in video format |
| 17:42.18 | IskatuMesk | what do you specifically want to know how to do |
| 17:42.28 | Lilianna | How do I stand on my head? |
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| 17:42.34 | IskatuMesk | magic |
| 17:43.39 | Thels | stand on your head? |
| 17:43.42 | Thels | won't that hurt? |
| 17:43.48 | IskatuMesk | not if you use magic |
| 17:43.53 | Thels | I dunno how heavy you are, but heads aren't meant to carry lots of weight |
| 17:44.07 | IskatuMesk | I am so heavy that planets orbit around me |
| 17:44.19 | Thels | If that's so |
| 17:44.36 | IskatuMesk | yes, shortly before I eat them |
| 17:44.38 | Thels | then why aren't all the objects and creatures close around you flying in your direction? |
| 17:44.59 | Lilianna | Tordy: The only other word that comes to mind is Repercussion |
| 17:45.01 | depthsofchaos | does anyone know if the minimap angle can be modified? |
| 17:45.08 | IskatuMesk | they are, they are just caught in my event horizon |
| 17:45.14 | Tordy | keep it up man, DOOHE |
| 17:45.40 | IskatuMesk | damn the music in these castings is too loud |
| 17:45.46 | IskatuMesk | can't hear my manly voice that well |
| 17:45.53 | IskatuMesk | and dynamics processing profiles ain't getting the job done |
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| 17:50.28 | IskatuMesk | CUSTOM PROFILE GADGET GO |
| 17:51.05 | IskatuMesk | youtube comments make this work so worth it |
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| 17:51.38 | iMisu | need help testing my player to anti block pathing |
| 17:51.42 | iMisu | Anyone interested? |
| 17:51.58 | IskatuMesk | ok |
| 17:52.10 | IskatuMesk | I came back on last night but you had vanished |
| 17:52.10 | iMisu | oh heyo iskatumesk |
| 17:52.15 | iMisu | I passed out |
| 17:52.16 | IskatuMesk | but I am here now so all is well in the world |
| 17:52.21 | IskatuMesk | I may lag slightly from video uploads |
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| 17:59.53 | iMisu | IskatuMesk |
| 17:59.54 | IskatuMesk | buttes |
| 18:00.10 | iMisu | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/general/off-topic/8683-an-apology/ |
| 18:01.15 | iMisu | IskatuMesk |
| 18:01.19 | iMisu | It stopped |
| 18:01.21 | iMisu | Lets go |
| 18:01.24 | IskatuMesk | ahahahaha |
| 18:01.26 | IskatuMesk | that is amazing |
| 18:01.27 | IskatuMesk | ok |
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| 18:08.30 | Aetos | anyone remember the mod science and industry for half life>? |
| 18:09.22 | Jum-Jum | yeah |
| 18:09.26 | Jum-Jum | that mod was a lot of fun |
| 18:09.36 | Aetos | Im starting a sc2 map inspired by it :D |
| 18:09.48 | Aetos | i think it would transfer over pretty good |
| 18:12.43 | Araxnid | err...how to place imported files to texutre/assets folder? |
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| 18:13.24 | Lilianna | Import them to that folder |
| 18:13.38 | Araxnid | where it is? i look everyvery |
| 18:13.47 | Lilianna | how are you importing files? |
| 18:14.11 | Lilianna | And I believe its Assets/Textures |
| 18:14.27 | Araxnid | maybe xD just importing them with sc2 import tools |
| 18:14.39 | Araxnid | select them - then checks - import and save |
| 18:14.56 | Araxnid | so, after this i think i need to send texture files in assets/textures |
| 18:15.16 | Araxnid | at least this point was in instruction about model = |
| 18:15.32 | Lilianna | Do this instead |
| 18:15.36 | Lilianna | When your importing files |
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| 18:15.43 | Lilianna | theres an Import Path at the top |
| 18:15.46 | Lilianna | when your imporitng files |
| 18:15.51 | Lilianna | just type Assets/Textures/ |
| 18:15.58 | Lilianna | and it will put them in that folder automagically |
| 18:17.03 | Araxnid | only i think blizz gets more and more weird with all this hidden files.. |
| 18:17.14 | Araxnid | thanks |
| 18:17.21 | Lilianna | And you dont need textures in the Textures sub folder to actually use them |
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| 18:18.39 | johney | can someone tell me how to dl a .SC2lib file. when i click url i get the huge page of code it looks.. |
| 18:19.03 | Clord | back in 30 min I said and Leaderboard goes offline |
| 18:19.04 | Clord | lol |
| 18:19.14 | Clord | he was supposed to tell his idea |
| 18:19.17 | Clord | oh well |
| 18:19.18 | Clord | ^^ |
| 18:19.38 | Araxnid | try another browser |
| 18:19.49 | Araxnid | i got this problem with opera on every dl link on sc2mapster |
| 18:20.15 | Lilianna | Right Click save target as? |
| 18:20.32 | johney | ok lolz thx |
| 18:21.27 | Araxnid | its saves as html file |
| 18:21.37 | Lilianna | just change the extension |
| 18:21.47 | Lilianna | you dont have to save it as an html |
| 18:21.51 | Araxnid | to me just easy copy past dl link in another browser |
| 18:21.59 | Araxnid | oh lol, didnt think in this way |
| 18:22.11 | Lilianna | Save Target As, lets you save it as whatever |
| 18:22.17 | Lilianna | even if it doesnt work out as that file type |
| 18:22.53 | Lilianna | or it should |
| 18:23.34 | Aetos | Is there a way to increase or decrease the speed of a timer depending on the amount of a certain unit? =/ |
| 18:23.56 | johney | okay i got it dl and i tried to upload in triggers>librarys and when i clicked ok nothin happend like it didnt import? or did it? lolz |
| 18:24.08 | Araxnid | save it |
| 18:24.41 | Araxnid | i mean click save at top menu. if you using import in editor |
| 18:24.56 | johney | ok then reopen? |
| 18:25.28 | Araxnid | no, they usable from this |
| 18:25.29 | Lilianna | After every Import you have to save |
| 18:25.34 | Lilianna | before it will take anys ort of effect |
| 18:25.55 | johney | lol kinda funny. |
| 18:26.02 | Araxnid | game on...game on.. |
| 18:26.07 | johney | but thanks =D |
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| 18:33.25 | johney | i feel retarded to keep askin but.. it imported i saved now how do i access whats on the library? should it have showed up in my triggers? meaning the file didnt dl? |
| 18:33.34 | Araxnid | btw, i need to put models in assets\models? |
| 18:39.22 | Aetos | Is there a way to modify how quick a timer moves through triggers? Sort of how chrono boost makes game time for a certain unit go 1.5x the game speed |
| 18:39.31 | Arthas-work | http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/30370/Court_Of_Appeals_Ruling_Threatens_Sale_Of_Used_Games.php |
| 18:39.32 | Arthas-work | O_o |
| 18:39.41 | ReckeD | stupid id's and editor crashed |
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| 18:39.50 | ReckeD | like the 3rd crash iv had in 15 minutes zz |
| 18:40.26 | ReckeD | does chrono boost effect behavior durations Aetos? |
| 18:40.35 | Aetos | not sure |
| 18:40.58 | ReckeD | and to answer your question im not sure |
| 18:41.03 | Aetos | lol |
| 18:41.13 | ReckeD | you could try chaning the timer type to game speed/real time ? |
| 18:41.25 | Aetos | what im trying to do is the following |
| 18:42.04 | Aetos | A player clicks a dialog button that starts a "research"(not a real research, just a trigger countdown that activates another event)... but I want to modify how fast that research timer counts down |
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| 18:42.48 | Aetos | dependent on certain other factors |
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| 18:43.13 | Aetos | I have a timer countdown and all done.. but I can't figure out a way how to speed or slow down the timer |
| 18:43.53 | ReckeD | not sure mate |
| 18:44.02 | ReckeD | why dont you use behaviors to do it? |
| 18:44.17 | Blacksoldier | do a variable for the time - for example 30 ... wait x seconds and decrease it by 1 and modify the x varibale u will speed/slow it |
| 18:44.49 | ReckeD | but thats not dynamic, if timers already started i dont know if you can change how fast/slow it moves |
| 18:45.03 | Blacksoldier | why not? |
| 18:45.09 | Blacksoldier | when x is a global variable |
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| 18:45.20 | Blacksoldier | u can use arrays to modify it depending on the player |
| 18:45.29 | ReckeD | wheres the trigger to decrease the timer by 1? |
| 18:45.51 | Blacksoldier | the trick is u dont decrease a timer u decrease a variable |
| 18:46.09 | ReckeD | but that will only work before you start the time |
| 18:46.17 | ReckeD | if the timers already started, its set to that value |
| 18:46.31 | Aetos | let me elaborate a bit more on what im doing |
| 18:46.32 | Blacksoldier | but u can still change the x varibale |
| 18:46.48 | Blacksoldier | to decrease it every 1 sec/every 2 sec/ever 0.5 sec |
| 18:47.43 | Blacksoldier | u need 2 variables - 1 for actual timer time and 1 vor the time to decrease the timer |
| 18:47.46 | Aetos | each team has researchers that will each speed up the research time by 25%, and the researchers can be added/removed mid research, so I need a way to dynamically change how quick the research timer moves |
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| 18:47.54 | Aetos | I think I understand what you're saying Blacksoldier |
| 18:47.56 | Aetos | that may work |
| 18:47.58 | goomba_ | flerp |
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| 18:48.31 | Resinate | does anyone wanna try my ai |
| 18:49.10 | Aetos | for example... I would have the actual timer start at 30 and the timer decrease by 1.. and for every researcher modify the decreaser by lets say .25 |
| 18:49.35 | EternalWraith | Has anyone seen ProzaicMuze?. I think he cast cloak and vanished :/ |
| 18:49.36 | Aetos | so first the timer goes down every 1, but add a researcher and it goes down every .75? |
| 18:50.16 | Blacksoldier | variable timer[0] = 0 |
| 18:50.29 | Blacksoldier | variable timerdecrease [0] = 1 |
| 18:50.55 | Blacksoldier | wait timerdecrease[teamnumber] seconds real time |
| 18:51.16 | Blacksoldier | modify variable timer[teamnumber] - 1 |
| 18:51.29 | Blacksoldier | and before u have to set the research time to be the timer |
| 18:51.44 | Blacksoldier | so when u have the research to decrease the time do |
| 18:52.05 | Aetos | thanks thanks! |
| 18:52.13 | Blacksoldier | modify variable timerdecrese[teamnumber] *0.75 |
| 18:52.25 | Blacksoldier | when u wantit to be decreased by25% |
| 18:52.48 | Blacksoldier | its not galaxy script yet |
| 18:52.55 | Blacksoldier | but i think u understand whhat i mean now |
| 18:52.56 | Blacksoldier | ^^ |
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| 18:56.28 | Blacksoldier | u have to pack it all in a while loop... while variable timer[teamnumber]!=0 |
| 18:56.45 | Blacksoldier | to let it stop at 0 |
| 18:56.52 | Blacksoldier | and to let it repeat |
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| 19:08.28 | Blacksoldier | ROFL - why the hell the queen heal spell is terran? |
| 19:08.36 | Aetos | wtf? |
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| 19:09.06 | Blacksoldier | i searched it manually then i used the search field and saw its terran |
| 19:12.04 | Clord | well.... they probably didn't bother to correct it |
| 19:13.37 | Fromethius | what is responsible for creating the trail the infestor leaves behind when it walks? |
| 19:14.40 | C-H | footprint? or does it have footprint seperate... |
| 19:14.51 | Fromethius | footprint? =p |
| 19:15.03 | Fromethius | i don't think that has anything to do with it |
| 19:15.26 | Blacksoldier | movement actor? |
| 19:15.26 | Blacksoldier | dont know |
| 19:15.26 | C-H | yeah i dont know |
| 19:15.26 | C-H | heh |
| 19:15.33 | Fromethius | blargh |
| 19:15.36 | Fromethius | useless! the lot of you |
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| 19:15.51 | Magnade_ | it could, because creating a unit that trails creep involves feetprint =P |
| 19:16.05 | Fromethius | where's prozaicmuze been? |
| 19:16.09 | Fromethius | ~seen prozaicmuze |
| 19:16.10 | purl | prozaicmuze <~ABC@c-98-232-252-235.hsd1.or.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #sc2mapster, 12d 10h 25m 5s ago, saying: 'Since I can't do NEthing SC related until tomorrow :('. |
| 19:16.14 | Fromethius | damn |
| 19:16.15 | Fromethius | 12 days |
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| 19:21.25 | deeteecee | uhh wtf, i duplicated fungal growth ability and now it doesnt stop units from moving |
| 19:21.33 | Resinate | ROFL |
| 19:21.35 | Resinate | my ai |
| 19:21.35 | jorgenpt | You're doin' it wrong. |
| 19:21.44 | Fromethius | rofl |
| 19:21.46 | Fromethius | deeteecee |
| 19:21.46 | jorgenpt | rofl |
| 19:21.46 | Resinate | went from being 6 on hard |
| 19:21.51 | Resinate | to 10/10 on hard |
| 19:21.54 | Fromethius | i had that problem for like 2 weeks 2 months ago |
| 19:22.03 | Fromethius | when i first started working with the data editor |
| 19:22.15 | deeteecee | yea i think i saw ur post |
| 19:22.19 | deeteecee | ever fix it? |
| 19:22.22 | Fromethius | yeah of course |
| 19:22.25 | deeteecee | oh really |
| 19:22.25 | Fromethius | i'm a god with the data editor now |
| 19:22.28 | deeteecee | what was up with it |
| 19:22.30 | Fromethius | it's been 2 months |
| 19:22.34 | jorgenpt | Fromethius: I bow to your supremacy. |
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| 19:22.36 | Fromethius | =p |
| 19:22.37 | deeteecee | im making a really simple map, my first |
| 19:22.43 | jorgenpt | Fromethius: Wanna do DE work for my map? :D |
| 19:22.47 | deeteecee | but these little details slow me down |
| 19:22.50 | deeteecee | :[ |
| 19:22.51 | Fromethius | i'll answer questions if you want |
| 19:22.57 | deeteecee | so could you help me fix that? |
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| 19:23.02 | Fromethius | yeah deeteecee there wasn't really a "fix" to it |
| 19:23.10 | deeteecee | lol |
| 19:23.11 | Fromethius | there's just A LOT of things you need to duplicate and be sure to relink |
| 19:23.23 | deeteecee | ic |
| 19:23.30 | Fromethius | after a while i just started control-clicking everything and making sure everything was equal |
| 19:23.31 | Ousnius | hey guys |
| 19:23.33 | Fromethius | if you send me the map i'll probably be able to fix it |
| 19:23.35 | jorgenpt | Fromethius: Do you have any suggestions on getting Attack / Smart click to just retarget the turret and not chase or do anything like that? (Just error out / ignore if the unit is out of range) |
| 19:23.37 | Fromethius | it's a bitch |
| 19:23.41 | Ravonus | quick question.. What would be the differnce between a good "Media build" computer , and a good "Gaming build" ( A friend of mine wants me to help him put together a media computer, that will run adobe permire really good. |
| 19:23.41 | deeteecee | so |
| 19:23.43 | jorgenpt | I haven't looked at it yet, but that's my next thing to do |
| 19:23.45 | deeteecee | should i just look at the original |
| 19:23.48 | deeteecee | and compare to the new |
| 19:23.58 | Ravonus | fast ram/fast proccessor? |
| 19:24.05 | jorgenpt | Ravonus: Depends on what level of media he's using. Quadro cards are good, but way~ expensive. ;-) |
| 19:24.08 | Ousnius | could you please give me your opinion to this? it would be my first very big project |
| 19:24.11 | Ousnius | so I need to think very much |
| 19:24.12 | Ousnius | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/project-workplace/11604-millenium-soldier-expendable-shooter-map/ |
| 19:24.18 | Fromethius | jorgenpt: i remember seeing a chase range field on the data type ability iirc |
| 19:24.24 | Ousnius | bout it |
| 19:24.27 | Sixen | Can anyone tell me what the status alert on the sc2 login screen says? |
| 19:24.34 | jorgenpt | Ravonus: Depending on what kind of media he's working on, the GPU is less important than CPU & RAM. |
| 19:24.47 | Ravonus | thats what i figired jorgenpt |
| 19:25.03 | jorgenpt | Ravonus: But a lot of media software does use hardware acceleration for rendering, transcoding, etcetera. |
| 19:25.05 | Ravonus | well adobe permire = highest media program i thought? |
| 19:25.13 | Ravonus | thats why i said it |
| 19:25.31 | jorgenpt | Ravonus: So don't get something *crappy*, but you don't need the most expensive card ever. The GTX 460 is probably a good card for that. |
| 19:25.57 | jorgenpt | I work at NVIDIA though, so my opinions might be a bit biased. ;-) |
| 19:26.03 | Ravonus | like 6 gb ram |
| 19:26.09 | Blacksoldier | whaaa so may people talking about different things oO |
| 19:26.17 | Ravonus | lol jorgenpt i am so an ATI guy too lol |
| 19:26.37 | Aetos | Blacksoldier, it works |
| 19:26.38 | Aetos | :D |
| 19:26.43 | jorgenpt | Personally I haven't used ATI for many years, but the last gfx card I got was like an GF 8600 or something. :-) |
| 19:26.44 | Ravonus | what do you do for nvidia? |
| 19:26.44 | Blacksoldier | nice |
| 19:27.01 | jorgenpt | But many people say good things about the GTX 460 (in terms of value/performance). I haven't tried it myself. |
| 19:27.03 | Aetos | thanks dude! |
| 19:27.34 | jorgenpt | I'm an intern and I work on the linux driver. |
| 19:28.59 | Ravonus | thats cool i am a focal at IBM it support |
| 19:29.14 | Ravonus | not quite a manager.. but i get to do more work then one lol |
| 19:29.55 | jorgenpt | focal? |
| 19:30.05 | Ravonus | its a fancy word to say assistant manager lol |
| 19:30.22 | Ravonus | Just means I get to boss people around lol |
| 19:31.07 | Ravonus | but i don't get the big bux |
| 19:31.36 | Ravonus | but its actually time for me to clock out and go home |
| 19:31.38 | Ravonus | halo reach time :) |
| 19:31.47 | Ravonus | any yall got a GT ?? |
| 19:32.53 | Resinate | so does anyone wanna try beating my AI? |
| 19:34.09 | IskatuMesk | baaah I hate it when I cast a replay and find out after I've somehow screwed my audio levels again |
| 19:36.15 | Fromethius | resinate |
| 19:36.16 | Fromethius | that sounds fun |
| 19:36.19 | Fromethius | i'm down for that |
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| 19:40.24 | pinzu | is anyone here good with cameras? |
| 19:40.38 | pinzu | using the editor camera* |
| 19:41.06 | Clord | meh |
| 19:41.24 | Oninji | Short design question, Hack'n'slash scenario. What do you prefer when using a ranged AOE? That when you press the button to activate the skill, it's activated centered on your current mice position. Or do you prefer activating the skill, seeing a range gizmo to see where it will hit and then left click to activate it? |
| 19:41.39 | Oninji | and Pinzu, depend on what you want? |
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| 19:44.36 | Clord | I prefer kingdom hearts style... lock on and blast off! |
| 19:44.37 | Clord | ^^ |
| 19:45.02 | Oninji | That's Action/RPG XD not Hack'n'Slash ahah |
| 19:46.00 | ReckeD | kingdom hearts was gangsta |
| 19:46.11 | ReckeD | know what else was awesome, the first devil may cry |
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| 19:46.17 | ReckeD | that game was awesome |
| 19:46.53 | ReckeD | Oniji, i like range gizmo's +) |
| 19:47.00 | Clord | yes it is action/rpg but normal fights are usually hack and slash |
| 19:47.09 | Clord | XD |
| 19:47.20 | Resinate | i love my map |
| 19:47.24 | Resinate | games go by so fast |
| 19:47.26 | mattavich | Guys, when using virtualdub to comrpess your videos |
| 19:47.29 | Resinate | 10-20 mins |
| 19:47.36 | mattavich | what settings in ffdshow codec do you use? |
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| 19:47.42 | mattavich | my videos keep coming out big and crap |
| 19:47.50 | mattavich | i want like a 720p youtube vid |
| 19:48.04 | ReckeD | what style of map is it resinate? |
| 19:48.10 | Resinate | uh |
| 19:48.12 | Resinate | rts |
| 19:48.15 | Resinate | with fixed units |
| 19:48.20 | ReckeD | iv been losing pop, not even on first page anymore, wondering what i did wrong ? =( |
| 19:48.27 | ReckeD | very demoralizing |
| 19:48.37 | Clord | I almost feel like opening PCSX2 emulator and play kingdom hearts again... just finished birth by sleep expect that super secret boss and some journal entries |
| 19:48.41 | Resinate | look at ur ma |
| 19:48.43 | Resinate | map |
| 19:48.48 | Resinate | is it very compettive |
| 19:49.01 | Resinate | thats why nexus wars stays top |
| 19:49.09 | Resinate | its most competitive map there is |
| 19:49.13 | Clord | THE Card Game too stays quite healthy |
| 19:49.17 | ReckeD | oh i dunno |
| 19:49.23 | ReckeD | theres far more strategy involved in mine |
| 19:49.25 | Clord | in EU lol |
| 19:49.26 | mattavich | mine is quite competative, and long, not doing well |
| 19:49.29 | ReckeD | and cool other mechanics to boot |
| 19:49.29 | Resinate | im having one major issue with my AI |
| 19:49.34 | Resinate | they dont attack in waves |
| 19:49.37 | Resinate | when they do |
| 19:49.41 | Resinate | they puss out |
| 19:49.50 | mattavich | why the fuck wont my map publish ffs |
| 19:49.52 | Resinate | and play kiting |
| 19:49.56 | mattavich | keep getting ateway down |
| 19:50.08 | ReckeD | wtf is this income wars crap |
| 19:50.10 | ReckeD | makes me rage |
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| 19:50.19 | mattavich | it sucks |
| 19:50.30 | ReckeD | income wars is top on SEa |
| 19:50.30 | mattavich | but it is another easy to play, quick game os its number 1 |
| 19:50.38 | ReckeD | with 1667 games |
| 19:50.39 | ReckeD | ROFL |
| 19:50.39 | iMisu | bites everyone |
| 19:50.41 | mattavich | anyone noticed that "unit counter" game? fucking joke |
| 19:51.11 | IskatuMesk | biting |
| 19:51.20 | ReckeD | People seem to enjoy seeing all the campaign units |
| 19:51.21 | IskatuMesk | I have too many things to do |
| 19:51.29 | iMisu | Me too |
| 19:51.32 | iMisu | I dont know where to start |
| 19:51.33 | ReckeD | once i get my upgrades done, ill have to implement the new teams to stay competitive |
| 19:51.37 | IskatuMesk | I have... |
| 19:51.39 | iMisu | or What kinda towers to add to terran. |
| 19:51.46 | IskatuMesk | around 10-15 replays to commentate some of which are 2-3 hours in length |
| 19:52.05 | IskatuMesk | once commentated the videos must be encoded into x264 and then uploaded, additionally I already have around 1tb of video to delete and/or encode |
| 19:52.07 | iMisu | Give me tower ideas in stead |
| 19:52.51 | Sixen | Did that "Service Update" do anything? |
| 19:53.13 | IskatuMesk | elsewhere I need to sequence and do textures for around 20 models |
| 19:53.19 | IskatuMesk | then put those into sc2 |
| 19:53.21 | Resinate | ok guys |
| 19:53.24 | IskatuMesk | and then do nothing with them |
| 19:53.27 | Resinate | i need a simple understanding on this |
| 19:53.27 | Resinate | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:53.34 | Resinate | who is triggering player |
| 19:53.48 | Resinate | is that the owner of the unit being attacked |
| 19:53.51 | Resinate | or the attacker |
| 19:53.54 | IskatuMesk | I need to UV and texture the Purgatory, I need to make more audition tutorials, I need to somehow get another 80 arcanite and 9 elementium ore for my mage's thunderfury |
| 19:54.18 | Ousnius | just spamming again :P pls give yo opinion^^ |
| 19:54.19 | Ousnius | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/resources/project-workplace/11604-millenium-soldier-expendable-shooter-map |
| 19:54.21 | IskatuMesk | and sometime I should probably get some sleep |
| 19:55.02 | IskatuMesk | oh yeah I also need to rescale and fix my geometry mesh |
| 19:55.14 | IskatuMesk | and then find corbo and draft him into getting it working |
| 20:00.35 | iMisu | How do you open a private chat window on this web based IRC? |
| 20:00.45 | iMisu | ./chat doesnt work |
| 20:01.18 | Oninji | Ousnious, did you tried your movement system once the map uploaded? |
| 20:01.57 | IskatuMesk | uh |
| 20:01.59 | IskatuMesk | riught click on a name |
| 20:02.14 | IskatuMesk | click query |
| 20:02.14 | IskatuMesk | on the list |
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| 20:10.57 | wOlfLinG | Ok, so are any good data editors (or decent ones) that would like to work on a project? |
| 20:11.26 | depthsofchaos | does anyone know how to change a mods name, apart from mpq ?:o |
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| 20:12.25 | wOlfLinG | No-one? :/ |
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| 20:12.35 | Vulfe | Man |
| 20:12.44 | Vulfe | Recaptcha gives me great character names |
| 20:12.50 | Vulfe | Kotarbinski |
| 20:12.52 | Vulfe | awesome |
| 20:12.54 | Vulfe | amirite |
| 20:13.19 | Oninji | wOlfLing you'd have more chance posting in the team making section of the forum with a descriptive of what your project is. |
| 20:13.27 | wOlfLinG | I have |
| 20:13.30 | wOlfLinG | Got nothing |
| 20:13.47 | Oninji | You specified your need in Data editing? |
| 20:14.00 | wOlfLinG | Yup |
| 20:14.10 | wOlfLinG | Well, technically it was the team leader that posted it |
| 20:14.18 | wOlfLinG | But he said we needed a data editor |
| 20:14.44 | Oninji | Data Editing can cover quite a large subject XD Should be more precise. |
| 20:16.26 | deeteecee | could anyone tell me what a validator is in a short sentence? |
| 20:16.53 | depthsofchaos | hoooooow the fuck do i give a name to a mod!!! |
| 20:17.11 | Ousnius | @ Oninji, yes I tried it online, 0.65 sec delay |
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| 20:17.21 | wOlfLinG | Oninji: Yeah. Literally, as soon as i posted, i found out someone has replied :/. So i'm including a better description :D |
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| 20:20.17 | Oninji | Ousnius, you should try to make it more performant, I got it to around 0.2-0.3s delay. |
| 20:20.37 | Ousnius | mhm |
| 20:20.44 | Ousnius | key press event has the same delay |
| 20:20.47 | Oninji | But to go farther than that, will need to change how the Engine compile the code. |
| 20:20.48 | Zanam | Has anyone looked at the diablo style camera movement tutorial for returning active mouse position using highlighted invisible units? i checked it out but i'm missing one thing... how does one make the invisible units invisible without making them unable to be highlighted |
| 20:20.48 | Ousnius | don't matter how u use it |
| 20:20.49 | Ousnius | or not? |
| 20:21.03 | deeteecee | lol @ data dependencies, my shit keeps disappearing |
| 20:21.19 | Oninji | To reduce delay, instead of stopping movement on key up |
| 20:21.25 | Clord | you have some leet shit, sir |
| 20:21.27 | Clord | XD |
| 20:21.29 | Oninji | stop movement when "Pressed = untrue" |
| 20:21.47 | Clord | lol |
| 20:21.51 | Clord | aka word "false" |
| 20:21.51 | Clord | XD |
| 20:21.55 | Clord | yeah |
| 20:21.57 | Oninji | lol |
| 20:23.10 | Oninji | But meh, once my proof of concept map is done... Gona try if there's a way to recompile the code to separate the effect update to reduce delay further. Heh |
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| 20:23.57 | Kalekin | Is this Data Editor movement? |
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| 20:24.54 | Oninji | No, used Function Aka triggers |
| 20:25.02 | Kalekin | Ah. |
| 20:25.07 | Xaax | Hullo peoples. |
| 20:25.09 | Oninji | What is in the Data Editor is the Behaviors |
| 20:25.38 | Oninji | Even if I'd put a function in Data Editor, I'd still have to fetch it with a trigger. |
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| 20:26.05 | Oninji | So it wouldn't reduce the lage further, since it's the Server Update that lag the control. On Test mode it's 100% lagless. |
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| 20:27.36 | Xaax | Anyone know how I would go about creating a custom event for a trigger so that I can create a trigger that goes something like "Event - Objective X Complete > Check for Y Conditions > Do Z Actions"? |
| 20:27.50 | Kalekin | As far as I'm concerned, the data editor's functions operate on the same server update timer as all the rest of it |
| 20:28.08 | Kalekin | I don't believe the data editor can make it any more responsive. :p |
| 20:28.18 | Kalekin | have yet to see otherwise |
| 20:28.57 | Oninji | The problem is how the server treat information XD |
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| 20:29.18 | RedWraith | hey guys |
| 20:29.37 | Kalekin | Information is irrelvent, what matters is how the server handles updating |
| 20:29.53 | Kalekin | and how it executes updates to what is going on in any one game frame |
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| 20:30.04 | Kalekin | and I don't see a reason as to why the Data Editor's functions would operate outside of those bounds. |
| 20:30.06 | Oninji | That's what I just said. <.< "Information" is what is updated |
| 20:30.26 | Kalekin | Fair enough. |
| 20:31.00 | Oninji | Basicly, Client send "Start Function X" to the server, the server then resend this to all player including the one who sent it. THEN the function start. |
| 20:31.31 | Kalekin | Well, the server would execute the function I would imagine |
| 20:31.35 | Kalekin | It would simply send the result |
| 20:32.13 | Oninji | I doubt the server exectute the whole process, that would be extremely inefficient. |
| 20:32.34 | Kalekin | But that is how you prevent cheating |
| 20:32.47 | Kalekin | The server, which is under blizzard's control, will excute functions |
| 20:32.56 | Kalekin | the client is only recieving a view of what is occuring |
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| 20:33.19 | Xaax | Anyone know how I would do that? |
| 20:33.25 | Oninji | Yeah, ideally. But it's latency ridden. Erf, okay for strategy but for actiony game... it's hell. |
| 20:33.26 | Clord | blizzard is about first to do RTS where maps are hosted server side |
| 20:33.44 | Kalekin | Action game, of course not. |
| 20:33.52 | Kalekin | But this is a strategy game :p |
| 20:34.04 | Kalekin | I am fairly certain that all functions are executed by the host |
| 20:34.06 | Kalekin | in this case blizzard |
| 20:34.12 | Kalekin | what the client get's is merely the server saying |
| 20:34.12 | Clord | third person shooters... I don't really like to play them in SCII way ;) there is no real aim support etc |
| 20:34.17 | Kalekin | "Your unit is now moving here" |
| 20:34.18 | Oninji | Ideally, the player would send "Process X Activated" and then "Effect X Processed (Like Damage did to X)", both independly. |
| 20:34.55 | Kalekin | The player would just send |
| 20:35.00 | Clord | in fact... when TPS map is made for SCII... even doom plays better and that is made 1994 |
| 20:35.01 | Clord | XD |
| 20:35.03 | Oninji | But I don't know if the serv orders are Server Sided or Client Sided. |
| 20:35.09 | Kalekin | My unit is meant to be attacking target X |
| 20:35.17 | Kalekin | My unit should be moving towards target X |
| 20:35.22 | Kalekin | Server checks, is it in range |
| 20:35.24 | Kalekin | how does it get there |
| 20:35.25 | Kalekin | etc |
| 20:35.28 | Kalekin | calculates |
| 20:35.41 | Kalekin | sends back to client, your unit has moved here and attacked unit X and done Y damage |
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| 20:35.51 | Kalekin | and the client displays |
| 20:36.01 | Oninji | That's what it does now probably, and it's bad for actiony game. |
| 20:36.17 | Kalekin | Hence why FPS controls and everything are so unresponsive |
| 20:36.25 | Kalekin | because there is no client side execution of game functions |
| 20:36.30 | Kalekin | all has to go through server |
| 20:36.41 | Demonette | does anyone know if Shapes Wars is already online at EU? |
| 20:36.45 | Clord | top of that there is warden sniffing stuff out |
| 20:36.48 | Clord | lol |
| 20:36.59 | Clord | my irc chat fails lol |
| 20:37.05 | Oninji | Yeah, When I'll have time I'll check if by recompliling I can change how updates are handled. |
| 20:37.06 | Kalekin | And why does the damn GUI editor always initialize arrays one size larger than what you specify :/ |
| 20:37.08 | Clord | it updates only when I type something... then comes mass spam |
| 20:37.43 | Demonette | doesn't seems like =( |
| 20:37.53 | Vulfe | O_o |
| 20:37.56 | Vulfe | o_O |
| 20:38.00 | Vulfe | Hi everyone |
| 20:38.02 | Clord | >_> |
| 20:38.03 | Demonette | Hi? |
| 20:38.06 | Clord | hi mister nick |
| 20:38.11 | Clord | hmmmm |
| 20:38.16 | Clord | XD |
| 20:38.17 | Vulfe | Do you know if there's an absolute measurement of height in the trigger editor? |
| 20:38.18 | Vulfe | O_O |
| 20:38.26 | Kalekin | absoulte? |
| 20:38.30 | Kalekin | *absolute |
| 20:38.33 | Vulfe | as in, not relative to ground heigh |
| 20:38.35 | Vulfe | height* |
| 20:38.52 | Demonette | Mmmhh |
| 20:38.54 | Clord | WCIII got that... was useful when randomly spawned stuff all over the map |
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| 20:39.07 | Demonette | get world height + unit height? |
| 20:39.18 | Vulfe | is there a world height function at point? |
| 20:39.21 | Vulfe | because that will suffice |
| 20:39.26 | Kalekin | Height of Point |
| 20:39.31 | Demonette | yes there is a world height |
| 20:39.43 | Vulfe | hokay |
| 20:39.46 | Vulfe | Thanks ^^ |
| 20:39.55 | Vulfe | I just want to make my projectiles stay at the same absolute height at all times |
| 20:40.00 | Vulfe | you feel me? |
| 20:40.00 | Kalekin | wait, nm Height of Point is relaitve |
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| 20:40.07 | Vulfe | dammit |
| 20:40.07 | Vulfe | well |
| 20:40.09 | Oninji | It cannot not have one, or it couldn't modify freely the terrain heights. |
| 20:40.09 | Vulfe | is there a way? |
| 20:40.10 | Vulfe | x.x |
| 20:40.19 | Kalekin | There must be :p |
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| 20:40.31 | Vulfe | yeah |
| 20:40.33 | Vulfe | I WILL FIND IT |
| 20:40.35 | Vulfe | TO THE API! |
| 20:40.36 | Kalekin | no nm |
| 20:40.38 | Kalekin | Height of Point |
| 20:40.39 | Oninji | But how to fetch it... That's the question |
| 20:40.40 | Oninji | XD |
| 20:40.40 | Kalekin | is not relative |
| 20:40.42 | Kalekin | can use that |
| 20:40.51 | Kalekin | was looking at another one |
| 20:41.07 | Vulfe | Height of Point works? |
| 20:41.13 | Kalekin | I believe so :P |
| 20:41.59 | Vulfe | meh |
| 20:42.01 | Vulfe | 'Returns the height of the specified point, relative to the terrain, as a real value. To place a point with a non-zero height in the Terrain Editor, use the Three Dimensional point type.' |
| 20:42.22 | Vulfe | x.x |
| 20:42.24 | Kalekin | Sorry |
| 20:42.29 | Kalekin | Height AT Point |
| 20:42.53 | IskatuMesk | firefox vs irc chat vs imageshack = massive firefox lockuos |
| 20:42.56 | IskatuMesk | lockups |
| 20:43.12 | Xaax | Anyone know how I would create an event that would allow a trigger to execute following the completion of an objective? |
| 20:43.22 | Kalekin | The function you are looking for is Height at Point. :p |
| 20:43.27 | Vulfe | Ahh |
| 20:43.31 | Vulfe | what is that listed under? |
| 20:43.47 | Kalekin | just bring up the function list |
| 20:43.48 | Vulfe | Environment! |
| 20:43.49 | Vulfe | Got it |
| 20:43.49 | Kalekin | and type in height |
| 20:43.49 | Vulfe | :D |
| 20:43.51 | Kalekin | in the search box |
| 20:43.55 | Demonette | =) |
| 20:43.57 | Vulfe | <-- does not have SC2 editor |
| 20:44.02 | Vulfe | I'm writing triggers in my fucking head |
| 20:44.03 | Demonette | lol oO |
| 20:44.03 | Vulfe | x.x |
| 20:44.06 | Kalekin | I see. |
| 20:44.07 | Kalekin | >_> |
| 20:44.11 | Kalekin | Xaax, lemme take a look |
| 20:44.39 | Vulfe | I'd like to apologize to Xaax for that one time he asked me about terrain and I was afk |
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| 20:44.58 | Kalekin | Xaax, there is no apparent even to handle that |
| 20:45.14 | deeteecee | anyone know how to detect fungal growth on the units it is used on |
| 20:45.15 | Kalekin | I would simply execute the trigger wherever you are keeping track of the Objective's completion |
| 20:45.21 | Xaax | Yeah, I know there aren't any existing events, how would I create one? |
| 20:45.30 | Kalekin | Ah, you want to CREATE an event? |
| 20:45.32 | Kalekin | I have noooo clue |
| 20:45.33 | Xaax | Yep. |
| 20:45.38 | Kalekin | I fiddled around with it breefly |
| 20:45.44 | Aetos | time to learn how to many a voting system,lol |
| 20:45.53 | Kalekin | My guess is you would have some periodic trigger running |
| 20:46.02 | Kalekin | that would regularly check the status of the objective |
| 20:46.14 | Kalekin | and then raise your event when passes whatever checks you have |
| 20:46.18 | Oninji | Whooo, 30 pages of document... getting lenghty |
| 20:46.20 | Kalekin | however I have no idea how to raise events |
| 20:46.28 | Xaax | Meh... |
| 20:46.56 | Aetos | a voting system consists of a trigger that makes various variables increment then choosing the largest one |
| 20:46.57 | Aetos | right? |
| 20:47.01 | Kalekin | Or you would simply create an "Update Objective" action |
| 20:47.18 | Xaax | You would think that an event like "Objective X has state Y" would be included in the editor... |
| 20:47.21 | Kalekin | that would raise the event if your updated objective passed your completion checks |
| 20:47.28 | Resinate | chocolate salty balls |
| 20:47.30 | Kalekin | You would think so |
| 20:47.40 | Kalekin | Sounds like basic functionality :p |
| 20:47.43 | Xaax | Yep. |
| 20:48.00 | deeteecee | or does anyone know what unit effect fungal growth causes |
| 20:48.20 | Kalekin | What I would do is create a wrapper action for the Set Objectigve State |
| 20:48.34 | Kalekin | That, at the end, raises the event |
| 20:48.45 | Kalekin | however, good luck figuring out how events work |
| 20:48.48 | Kalekin | i would like to know myself |
| 20:48.51 | Xaax | Lol. |
| 20:50.23 | Xaax | Well, I have no programming background and I've never used a game editor as advanced as this before, so I'll need some direction before I can tackle it if it would even be possible for me to do without having any knowledge of script. |
| 20:51.28 | Kalekin | Well, lemme take a look again. :P |
| 20:51.31 | Kalekin | see if I can't come up with anything |
| 20:51.40 | Vulfe | Kalekin, Events are just presets used by the game engine |
| 20:51.49 | Vulfe | there's a thread about it in the Galaxy script forums |
| 20:51.54 | Kalekin | wut |
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| 20:51.56 | Kalekin | presets? o.o |
| 20:52.01 | Vulfe | mmhmm |
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| 20:52.14 | Kalekin | Uhm, correct me if I am wrong but a preset is just an enum |
| 20:52.14 | Vulfe | the game engine knows when to start triggers |
| 20:52.24 | Kalekin | :p |
| 20:52.29 | Vulfe | well not presets, per se |
| 20:52.32 | Vulfe | but you get the idea |
| 20:52.38 | Vulfe | they can't be scripted from scratch |
| 20:52.47 | currydevil | Anyone know for sure if it's possible to use a trigger action to modify unit max health AND a behavior to double that value together? Seems i can't or i am makingm y effect wrong. |
| 20:52.59 | Kalekin | Well then why are they there? |
| 20:53.01 | Kalekin | That seems pretty gay |
| 20:53.03 | Kalekin | >_> |
| 20:53.10 | Vulfe | events? : \ |
| 20:53.21 | Kalekin | Why does the editor allow you to create your own |
| 20:53.25 | Kalekin | if I cannot... |
| 20:53.26 | Kalekin | create my own? |
| 20:53.27 | Vulfe | it does? |
| 20:53.31 | Kalekin | yes |
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| 20:53.35 | Vulfe | lies |
| 20:53.37 | Kalekin | :0 |
| 20:53.53 | Vulfe | afaik, the events are pre-existing within the engine |
| 20:54.04 | Kalekin | The ones exposed to us most certainly are |
| 20:54.11 | Vulfe | yes |
| 20:54.23 | Vulfe | well, I mean, events essentially have to run everything in the game regardless |
| 20:54.37 | Vulfe | it's just trigger-useful ones that we have access to |
| 20:54.40 | Vulfe | and only server-side |
| 20:57.21 | currydevil | -----------------------Unit - Set (Last created unit) Maximum Life to (Real(Level Health))------------------ so I guess it's impossible to use this trigger AND an effect to also increase health on the same unit |
| 20:57.33 | Blacksoldier | got a question |
| 20:57.38 | currydevil | seems the trigger overrides the effect, or just straight up blocks it. |
| 20:58.03 | Blacksoldier | when i use 2 triggers on same event - is this better or shall i use 1 trigger with both actions? |
| 20:58.50 | currydevil | depends, what is the event? |
| 20:58.53 | Vulfe | 1 trigger with both actions |
| 20:58.54 | Vulfe | always |
| 20:59.00 | Blacksoldier | curry - why dont u make a behaviour which is added through the trigger? |
| 20:59.00 | Vulfe | it's ALWAYS more efficient |
| 20:59.01 | Vulfe | literally |
| 20:59.07 | Blacksoldier | okay |
| 20:59.39 | currydevil | because, I want it added to specific units, NOT every unit. currently, the trigger affects every wave spawn |
| 20:59.48 | currydevil | I want the effect to further modify SPECIFIC wave spawns |
| 20:59.54 | currydevil | so I set it on the unit specifically |
| 21:00.13 | currydevil | but the effect is not adding to what the trigger already does. |
| 21:00.17 | Blacksoldier | conditions? |
| 21:00.56 | currydevil | well, if it's not working with me adding the behavior straight to the unit, how will triggering it to add it do anything different? |
| 21:01.06 | Kalekin | Xaax, I think the issue is that events can only accept constants. |
| 21:01.18 | Kalekin | And you cannot initialize a constant Objective |
| 21:01.49 | Kalekin | *shrug* >_< |
| 21:02.02 | currydevil | If i set the effect to be periodic on my behavior, i actually see it doing something, but it's not raising the max health of the unit |
| 21:02.10 | currydevil | it's just refilling it to the max the trigger set |
| 21:02.10 | Vulfe | currydevil: You could try using attribute behaviors |
| 21:02.18 | Vulfe | USE ATTRIBUTE BEHAVIORS RAWRRRR |
| 21:02.19 | currydevil | ok |
| 21:02.24 | currydevil | I was using modify unit. |
| 21:02.30 | currydevil | that's probably the thing |
| 21:02.38 | currydevil | two modify unit effects don't play nice together? |
| 21:02.43 | currydevil | xD |
| 21:02.54 | Blacksoldier | last effect owns |
| 21:03.03 | Blacksoldier | or use math |
| 21:03.13 | Blacksoldier | when u want it to work together |
| 21:03.30 | Kalekin | Blacksoldier, it's really a matter of personaly preference I would say. Sometimes it can be easier to split triggers that run on the same event but are meant to perform different functionality |
| 21:03.39 | Kalekin | for the purpose of maintaining your library |
| 21:04.03 | Blacksoldier | i just was asking about latency - proessor usage and so on |
| 21:04.12 | Blacksoldier | andi think i got my answer ^^ |
| 21:04.19 | Kalekin | Single trigger may be more effecient |
| 21:04.28 | Kalekin | but that efficiency.... |
| 21:04.34 | Kalekin | you're talking nano seconds |
| 21:04.46 | Blacksoldier | ^^ |
| 21:04.58 | Kalekin | gains to tiny they aren't worth restructing your triggers to attain |
| 21:04.59 | Kalekin | :p |
| 21:05.03 | Blacksoldier | i think 50 tigger on sme effect will show up in game |
| 21:05.10 | Blacksoldier | *event |
| 21:05.11 | Kalekin | I would say probably not |
| 21:05.17 | currydevil | with an attribute, i have to create one now that will increase health huh? I don't see a health modifier for the attribute |
| 21:05.24 | Kalekin | I would focus on keeping your library clean and well structured |
| 21:05.30 | Kalekin | worry about performance only if it becomes an issue |
| 21:05.50 | Kalekin | one of the worst things you can do when coding is trying to optomise code before you know if it's needed |
| 21:06.06 | currydevil | nvm |
| 21:06.11 | currydevil | didn't look through it all the way |
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| 21:16.10 | Vulfe | wow |
| 21:16.11 | Vulfe | hi everyone |
| 21:16.16 | Jum-Jum | \o |
| 21:28.11 | Vulfe | O_O |
| 21:28.12 | Vulfe | |fine |
| 21:28.38 | Blacksoldier | fine? |
| 21:28.45 | Xaax | Okay, so if I can't make an event that checks the state of an objective how would I go about creating a trigger that checks if an objective is complete? |
| 21:29.02 | Blacksoldier | check every... seconds |
| 21:29.09 | Blacksoldier | which objective? |
| 21:29.09 | Xaax | Yeah... |
| 21:29.27 | Blacksoldier | using an ability is an option |
| 21:29.37 | Blacksoldier | or unit created |
| 21:29.40 | Xaax | That wouldn't work for what I want to do. |
| 21:30.02 | Blacksoldier | if u tell me what u want to do there may be somehin better than a periodic check |
| 21:30.14 | Xaax | I want to create a trigger that does something after an objective is complete. |
| 21:30.27 | Xaax | But only if the objective is complete. |
| 21:30.29 | Blacksoldier | what are objectives in r map? |
| 21:30.54 | deeteecee | anyone help with fungal growth detection? |
| 21:31.33 | Xaax | For instance "Unit goes to region > Objective state Complete" followed by another trigger that says "Objective complete > do actions" |
| 21:32.19 | Blacksoldier | why not use a "start trigger" after the first one? |
| 21:32.37 | Blacksoldier | and let the objective complete-trigger be without event |
| 21:32.52 | Xaax | Hm... |
| 21:32.55 | Xaax | That could work. |
| 21:32.59 | Xaax | Didn't think of that. |
| 21:33.01 | Xaax | Thank you. |
| 21:33.09 | Blacksoldier | pls |
| 21:33.15 | Xaax | ? |
| 21:33.20 | Blacksoldier | u gould add the actionsdirectly |
| 21:33.22 | Blacksoldier | ^^ |
| 21:33.27 | Blacksoldier | pls =please |
| 21:33.46 | Xaax | Why would you say please after I said thank you? Lol. |
| 21:33.59 | Blacksoldier | maybe because im german ^^ |
| 21:34.10 | Blacksoldier | we always thay thanks-please |
| 21:34.11 | Blacksoldier | ^^ |
| 21:34.13 | Xaax | ^_^ |
| 21:34.21 | Xaax | Ah, I see. |
| 21:34.24 | Blacksoldier | ok... think ur welcome is better translation |
| 21:34.26 | Blacksoldier | isnt it? |
| 21:34.47 | Xaax | Makes the most sense from my perspective. |
| 21:35.03 | deeteecee | is there a way to have a trigger run only once? |
| 21:35.12 | Xaax | Yes. |
| 21:35.20 | s3rius | distable trigger |
| 21:35.21 | Blacksoldier | deactevate itself right after finished |
| 21:35.24 | deeteecee | nvm |
| 21:35.25 | deeteecee | yeah |
| 21:35.26 | deeteecee | thanks |
| 21:35.29 | s3rius | first action in the trigger itself |
| 21:35.32 | Resinate | is red wraith here? |
| 21:35.35 | Xaax | Or you can use a condition. |
| 21:35.40 | deeteecee | well im doing this thing |
| 21:35.44 | deeteecee | to detect fungal growth |
| 21:35.58 | Resinate | who here knows AI thru triggers? |
| 21:36.08 | deeteecee | i just want to have fungal growth affect a certain player and then change ownership to whoever caused the fungal growth |
| 21:38.30 | Resinate | who here knows upgrades very good? |
| 21:38.44 | Resinate | i need to know how to make an alert when an upgrade is done |
| 21:39.19 | Blacksoldier | unit finishes upgrade |
| 21:39.25 | Blacksoldier | unit = any unit |
| 21:39.31 | Resinate | ? |
| 21:39.38 | Resinate | not atrigger LOL |
| 21:39.44 | Blacksoldier | ah ok ^^ |
| 21:40.07 | Blacksoldier | updrades have a data field for the alert |
| 21:40.35 | Resinate | thats for the icon |
| 21:40.41 | Blacksoldier | k |
| 21:40.44 | Blacksoldier | hmm |
| 21:40.53 | Resinate | well the icon showing up saying the upgrade is done |
| 21:40.59 | Blacksoldier | never payed attention on alerts |
| 21:41.04 | Resinate | when i was playing it, it didnt play any sound for it |
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| 21:41.46 | Resinate | one last question |
| 21:41.50 | Resinate | i have scaling upgrades |
| 21:42.00 | Resinate | the cost goes up based on number of upgrades |
| 21:42.12 | Resinate | how can i make it update for using multi queu upgrades? |
| 21:42.29 | Blacksoldier | neverdid those |
| 21:42.43 | Resinate | cuz say lvl 1 is 150 minerals |
| 21:42.49 | Blacksoldier | i dont have endless upgrades - i have 3 stages and setthe cost manually |
| 21:42.53 | Resinate | someone can queue it 5 times for that cost |
| 21:43.03 | Blacksoldier | yeah i understand |
| 21:43.17 | Resinate | before the 1 one is done |
| 21:43.22 | Blacksoldier | hmm |
| 21:43.31 | Blacksoldier | requirement - not in que |
| 21:43.43 | Resinate | it only changes the cost after its complete |
| 21:43.55 | Blacksoldier | so u cant set the same upgrade in queue several times |
| 21:44.08 | Resinate | yea i know |
| 21:44.11 | Resinate | its alrdy like that |
| 21:44.18 | Blacksoldier | would be a workaround |
| 21:44.24 | Resinate | but i wanna be able to queue muilti |
| 21:44.29 | deeteecee | any way to grab a unit from a region? |
| 21:44.49 | Blacksoldier | cant help any furthy withouttrying something |
| 21:44.59 | Blacksoldier | any unit? |
| 21:45.02 | Blacksoldier | all units? |
| 21:45.06 | Blacksoldier | dee? |
| 21:45.39 | Blacksoldier | there's an action pick every unit in unitgroup - ten click on unitgroup and define it |
| 21:45.45 | Blacksoldier | al units in region |
| 21:45.50 | Blacksoldier | or somehthing |
| 21:46.03 | deeteecee | well, it goes back to what i was trying to do |
| 21:46.07 | deeteecee | the fungal growth thing |
| 21:46.10 | deeteecee | lol |
| 21:46.27 | deeteecee | ack |
| 21:46.27 | Blacksoldier | ^^ |
| 21:46.36 | Blacksoldier | i work on my map now a bit |
| 21:46.36 | deeteecee | i might be making things more confusing |
| 21:46.39 | deeteecee | no idea |
| 21:46.49 | Blacksoldier | highlight me if there's something special |
| 21:50.53 | Resinate | wow crazy fingers made one sick ass map |
| 21:53.19 | Resinate | i wonder how blizz will pick 3 maps |
| 21:53.26 | Resinate | with soo many good dam maps |
| 21:54.41 | Resinate | facilty 17 won for sure |
| 21:58.56 | Zanam | facility 17 is very nice |
| 21:59.21 | Resinate | zanam |
| 21:59.25 | Resinate | did umake shapwed wars? |
| 21:59.29 | Zanam | i just wish i had a better test group, the things i'm doing for shape wars 1.1 would have been so nice to have in the contest version |
| 21:59.32 | Resinate | shaped* |
| 21:59.36 | Zanam | yeah |
| 21:59.53 | Zanam | working on a nifty minigame at the moment. |
| 21:59.54 | Resinate | how the hell did u make random generated terrain |
| 22:00.11 | Zanam | it's not random, they are bitmap art I store in a special way |
| 22:00.12 | Resinate | my jail break could use a system like that LOL |
| 22:00.37 | Zanam | i could have done random, but personal preference, i'd rather play inside olaf the stout's viking helmet then in a randomized arena |
| 22:00.37 | jorgenpt | What's facility 17? |
| 22:00.37 | Resinate | so what do u do in that map |
| 22:00.51 | Resinate | its a ff7 remake |
| 22:01.09 | Resinate | zanam? |
| 22:01.11 | Zanam | resinate, i'll be showing a demo video next week of how my map generation system works |
| 22:01.15 | Resinate | have u ever worked with AI yet? |
| 22:01.41 | Zanam | i suck terribly at AI, and it wasnt something I planned to do for this. if someone makes me one that is on par with humans, i'd be more than happy to add it in |
| 22:02.05 | Zanam | brb |
| 22:02.22 | Resinate | mine works way better than what a human can do |
| 22:02.26 | Resinate | my only prob is |
| 22:02.34 | Resinate | the ai doesnt attack in waves |
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| 22:04.09 | Resinate | so far i have |
| 22:04.09 | Resinate | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:04.10 | Resinate | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:04.19 | Resinate | but i dont know what the 3rd line should be used |
| 22:04.25 | Resinate | to start the attack |
| 22:04.59 | Resinate | right now i only use |
| 22:05.00 | Resinate | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:05.00 | Resinate | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:05.00 | Resinate | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:15.07 | Blacksoldier | can i compare an interger and a string to a string? which function is it? |
| 22:15.27 | Resinate | convcert int to string? |
| 22:16.05 | Blacksoldier | and then math? |
| 22:16.11 | Blacksoldier | string + string? |
| 22:16.39 | Blacksoldier | in the end it has to be text |
| 22:16.51 | Vulfe | you can convert text to integer or whatever |
| 22:16.53 | Vulfe | and then do math |
| 22:16.57 | Vulfe | and then convert back to string |
| 22:17.00 | Vulfe | and then display |
| 22:18.21 | Blacksoldier | but i want an intege and a string to be displayed in a text |
| 22:18.34 | Blacksoldier | playernumber<space>playername |
| 22:18.46 | Blacksoldier | this is the text |
| 22:18.54 | deeteecee | no experience with ai here, i just have all the units targeting one guy but my question is how do i make the computer attack the wall if users create a wall |
| 22:18.55 | Resinate | ROFL |
| 22:18.58 | Resinate | i made a boosting system |
| 22:18.59 | Aetos | to create a voting system, do you have to create an integer for every option and then those variables get incremented when voted on then you choose the highest numbered variable? |
| 22:19.00 | Blacksoldier | so how to get the integer and the string is no problem |
| 22:19.16 | Resinate | which also helps in playing 5 min games |
| 22:19.57 | Nash|327 | Depends on the voting system D_D |
| 22:20.17 | Aetos | lol |
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| 22:20.30 | Blacksoldier | ok i ask anothr way |
| 22:20.33 | Aetos | trying to figure out the best way to make this voting system |
| 22:20.42 | Blacksoldier | what happens when i use math on a string? |
| 22:20.49 | Aetos | I have a big research tree, and each player votes on the next research |
| 22:20.50 | Vulfe | it doesn't work |
| 22:20.53 | Vulfe | blacksoldier |
| 22:20.53 | Vulfe | O_O |
| 22:20.56 | Nash|327 | You... don't. |
| 22:20.59 | Aetos | would I have to assign a variable to every single researcha nd combine them? |
| 22:21.01 | Resinate | NASH |
| 22:21.02 | Blacksoldier | k :-/ |
| 22:21.04 | Resinate | good ur here |
| 22:21.07 | Vulfe | You can "add" strings together |
| 22:21.12 | Resinate | i need some help with more AI |
| 22:21.13 | Vulfe | which concatenates them |
| 22:21.13 | Aetos | every single research and then compare them* |
| 22:21.14 | Vulfe | but that's about it |
| 22:21.21 | Resinate | my ai |
| 22:21.29 | Resinate | will have like 40 units for attacking |
| 22:21.37 | Resinate | but if i attack them 1 of my units |
| 22:21.39 | Resinate | he runs away |
| 22:21.44 | Nash|327 | Last time I wrote a whole trigger for you, which you ignored. Also, I have never used AI. |
| 22:21.53 | Blacksoldier | so that works |
| 22:21.53 | Aetos | I ignored? |
| 22:21.54 | Aetos | when? lol |
| 22:21.59 | Nash|327 | Not you. |
| 22:22.01 | Resinate | hes talking about me |
| 22:22.03 | Aetos | oh |
| 22:22.04 | Aetos | lol |
| 22:22.04 | Aetos | okay |
| 22:22.06 | Resinate | and no i didnt ignore it |
| 22:22.13 | Resinate | i actully used both urs and reds into 1 |
| 22:22.16 | Resinate | and it worked |
| 22:22.25 | Resinate | actully |
| 22:22.28 | Nash|327 | Well, the latter still applies. |
| 22:22.29 | Resinate | works way too good |
| 22:22.29 | Nash|327 | D_D |
| 22:22.30 | Blacksoldier | text<sting<playername + string(space) + string<integer<playernumber |
| 22:22.36 | Resinate | dam |
| 22:22.50 | Resinate | right now i use this |
| 22:22.53 | Resinate | and it dont work |
| 22:23.00 | Resinate | holdon |
| 22:23.53 | Resinate | ROFL |
| 22:23.53 | Resinate | WOW |
| 22:23.56 | Resinate | paste bin is down |
| 22:24.15 | Nash|327 | Aetos: well you do need to keep track of votes |
| 22:24.23 | Resinate | http://pastebin.ca/1941719 |
| 22:24.26 | Nash|327 | not necessarily each research, though |
| 22:24.26 | Resinate | nash have a look |
| 22:24.31 | Nash|327 | you can do it by player |
| 22:24.54 | Resinate | i know the 1st 2 lines of the AI attack work |
| 22:25.03 | Resinate | but i dont know what line should be used for the last |
| 22:25.09 | Resinate | AI - Send the attack wave from player (Picked player) to attack in 10 seconds and Wait |
| 22:25.11 | Resinate | this dont work |
| 22:25.11 | Aetos | track by player? can I track what dialog item each individial player pressed? |
| 22:25.37 | Resinate | yes |
| 22:25.39 | Resinate | aetos |
| 22:25.52 | Resinate | use a trigger with event dialog item pressed |
| 22:25.54 | Resinate | or w/e |
| 22:26.00 | Resinate | and use triggering player |
| 22:26.01 | deeteecee | what is pathing cost? |
| 22:26.10 | Nash|327 | I don't know, but on a purely programmatical level, the minimum data you need is equal to the number of votes. |
| 22:26.16 | Resinate | thats for use of anti blocking |
| 22:26.20 | Nash|327 | and since each player has one vote |
| 22:26.22 | Vulfe | pathing cost is the shortest distance by ground between two points |
| 22:26.37 | deeteecee | oh |
| 22:26.43 | deeteecee | so |
| 22:26.51 | deeteecee | the higher the number the longer the distance |
| 22:26.56 | Resinate | yes |
| 22:26.57 | Vulfe | yeah |
| 22:27.00 | Resinate | and it goes -1 |
| 22:27.03 | Resinate | if u block it |
| 22:27.06 | deeteecee | OH OK |
| 22:27.08 | deeteecee | thats what i want |
| 22:27.10 | Nash|327 | you will need to store at least each player's vote |
| 22:27.10 | Vulfe | Lol |
| 22:27.13 | Vulfe | There's a function for that |
| 22:27.14 | Vulfe | specifically |
| 22:27.16 | deeteecee | there is? |
| 22:27.19 | Vulfe | which returns true/false |
| 22:27.19 | Vulfe | yes |
| 22:27.30 | deeteecee | which one would that be |
| 22:27.32 | Aetos | hmmm |
| 22:27.38 | Resinate | i used if distance is < 0 |
| 22:27.38 | Nash|327 | pathing cost is seconds to traverse, IIRC |
| 22:27.44 | Aetos | I gotta see if theres a way to keep track of what button a player pressed and log that information |
| 22:27.48 | Vulfe | "Points Connected by Pathing" |
| 22:27.53 | Aetos | without making variables for every single research item |
| 22:27.54 | Aetos | lol |
| 22:27.56 | Vulfe | And Pathing Cost is in distance I'm almost sure |
| 22:28.11 | Vulfe | because it doesn't take a unit |
| 22:28.17 | Vulfe | and movespeed doesn't exist between two points |
| 22:28.19 | Vulfe | <3 |
| 22:28.23 | deeteecee | oh sweet |
| 22:28.25 | deeteecee | thanks vulfe |
| 22:28.31 | deeteecee | and resinate |
| 22:28.31 | Vulfe | no problem |
| 22:28.33 | Nash|327 | If each research has an ID, and you can get the ID from click and store in player variable, problem solved |
| 22:28.47 | Resinate | so nash |
| 22:28.51 | Resinate | anything? |
| 22:28.51 | Nash|327 | Then just count which ID is most frequent |
| 22:28.58 | Nash|327 | Nope, nothing. |
| 22:29.03 | Resinate | or u just refuse to help me? |
| 22:29.04 | Nash|327 | Never used AI. |
| 22:29.09 | Resinate | grrr |
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| 22:29.15 | deeteecee | oh wait |
| 22:29.15 | deeteecee | ok |
| 22:29.18 | Resinate | zara |
| 22:29.26 | deeteecee | well they know they're being blocked so how would i attack the wall |
| 22:29.26 | Resinate | what do u know about the ai system in triggers? |
| 22:29.27 | deeteecee | lol |
| 22:29.47 | Resinate | im shocked one ever used AI yet |
| 22:29.50 | Aetos | the research doesn't have an ID Nash|327.. they aren't real "researches" |
| 22:29.59 | Aetos | the research is just a countdown trigger that does something once its done |
| 22:30.31 | Nash|327 | give it an ID? |
| 22:31.16 | Nash|327 | If you can make an array of Triggers (which I don't know if you can) |
| 22:31.28 | Nash|327 | just give every research trigger a number |
| 22:31.35 | Resinate | guys |
| 22:31.41 | Resinate | u know u can reduce the auto start time |
| 22:31.46 | Resinate | down to 23 seconds |
| 22:31.53 | Nash|327 | and then find the most frequent number and run Trigger at that index in array |
| 22:31.53 | Resinate | XD |
| 22:32.29 | Blacksoldier | is there a way to show specific field of a leaderpoard just to specific players? |
| 22:33.43 | Resinate | yes |
| 22:33.45 | Resinate | make teams |
| 22:35.54 | Blacksoldier | when i do a map i have teams normally oO what the next step? ^^ |
| 22:35.57 | ZarafFaraz | make teams? how does that make any sense? |
| 22:36.21 | ZarafFaraz | I don't think you can display specific parts of a leaderboard to only certain players |
| 22:36.25 | Aetos | but Nash|327, wouldn't that mean you are making an individual variable for every research? |
| 22:36.31 | Aetos | or an array variable |
| 22:36.33 | ZarafFaraz | however, you can display individual leaderboards to specific players |
| 22:36.33 | Blacksoldier | i need different boards |
| 22:36.36 | Blacksoldier | isnt it? |
| 22:36.39 | ZarafFaraz | yeah |
| 22:36.42 | Blacksoldier | k |
| 22:36.48 | Blacksoldier | damn ^^ |
| 22:36.58 | ZarafFaraz | the values that are consistent are just replicated in the other boards |
| 22:37.22 | ZarafFaraz | you should put those values into arrays and whenever you set them to a new value, just loop through the array so it changes each of the board's values at the same time |
| 22:37.44 | ZarafFaraz | normally for player specific things, I just use the Player Number as the index for the array |
| 22:37.50 | ZarafFaraz | keeps things organized and easy |
| 22:38.13 | Nash|327 | You need some way to reference what trigger to run after voting, so an array of Triggers, and a value that's stored in a player's variable when button is clicked |
| 22:38.43 | Nash|327 | the only variable for each research is the Trigger associated with it |
| 22:38.53 | Nash|327 | which you will need anyway |
| 22:39.09 | ZarafFaraz | can't you reduce the auto start time to like 3 seconds? |
| 22:39.30 | Vulfe | You could make a custom action instead of a trigger array if you're doing similar things with parameter input |
| 22:39.33 | Vulfe | just a thought |
| 22:40.04 | ZarafFaraz | hey Vulfe, you talk with that team yet? |
| 22:40.15 | Vulfe | haven't gotten hold of him |
| 22:40.18 | Vulfe | : | |
| 22:40.26 | Vulfe | I can't work on anything until the weekend anyway |
| 22:40.46 | IskatuMesk | ehhh the m3 exporter still has some unresolved issues I see |
| 22:40.53 | ZarafFaraz | so what happened to your computer with sc2 on it? |
| 22:40.57 | ZarafFaraz | you said you don't have it? |
| 22:41.53 | Vulfe | it's at another house |
| 22:41.54 | Vulfe | lol |
| 22:42.01 | Vulfe | and not worth moving over atm |
| 22:42.07 | iMisu | I have made a small pack of graphic cursors from SC2 Cursor for windows |
| 22:42.08 | iMisu | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/general/general-chat/11627-starcraft-2-cursors-for-windows/ |
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| 22:42.13 | iMisu | Hope you enjoy |
| 22:42.28 | ZarafFaraz | cool |
| 22:42.30 | deathnight114 | "Problem loading page" |
| 22:42.32 | deathnight114 | D: |
| 22:42.34 | deathnight114 | I want some |
| 22:42.34 | ZarafFaraz | nice cursors |
| 22:42.35 | deathnight114 | b:( |
| 22:42.45 | deathnight114 | oh now it loaded |
| 22:42.46 | deathnight114 | yay :D |
| 22:43.09 | Aetos | I still don't get it Nash|327... lol... how can you store what dialog item a person presses inside a players variable? |
| 22:43.29 | Nash|327 | I don't know. |
| 22:43.34 | Aetos | .... lol |
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| 22:44.10 | Zanam | zaraffaraz, you up for testing the new shape wars a lil later? finishing up my minigame |
| 22:44.21 | Nash|327 | I don't know all the specifics of the editor, I just know how I'd try to do it. |
| 22:44.33 | deathnight114 | yay, love it |
| 22:45.07 | Aetos | thats the problem Nash|327.. I don't think theres a way to store what dialog each individual person presses and compare them |
| 22:45.10 | Aetos | and then compare those |
| 22:45.19 | Aetos | throughout the whole team |
| 22:45.44 | Nash|327 | Then how do you plan to make a voting system if you can't get the button presses to return values? D: |
| 22:46.01 | Aetos | you can find when a button is pressed |
| 22:46.05 | P_R_Deltoid | ^ |
| 22:46.10 | Aetos | I have that already |
| 22:46.11 | P_R_Deltoid | it's annoyingly workaround ish |
| 22:46.12 | P_R_Deltoid | but |
| 22:46.14 | P_R_Deltoid | it does work |
| 22:46.18 | Nash|327 | and can you find what player pressed it? |
| 22:46.23 | P_R_Deltoid | yes |
| 22:46.24 | Aetos | yes |
| 22:46.31 | P_R_Deltoid | Triggering Player works |
| 22:46.31 | Nash|327 | Well then! |
| 22:46.36 | Aetos | the problem is |
| 22:46.36 | P_R_Deltoid | Indeed, wellthen. |
| 22:46.46 | Aetos | storing that information into a variable and comparing them among many players |
| 22:47.11 | Nash|327 | So, you make an array of size equal to number of players |
| 22:47.22 | Nash|327 | when button is pressed, get the triggering player |
| 22:47.28 | Aetos | k.. |
| 22:47.28 | Resinate | zanam |
| 22:47.36 | Zanam | yeah resinate? |
| 22:47.36 | Resinate | can i offere a suggestion for ur map |
| 22:47.36 | Nash|327 | store what button it was at player's index in array |
| 22:47.42 | Resinate | can u make zoom out 50% more |
| 22:47.52 | Resinate | its too close for how big the units are |
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| 22:47.58 | Zanam | i can probably add in a zoom farther back button |
| 22:48.10 | Resinate | also |
| 22:48.12 | Nash|327 | What data type is up to you and what is available in editor. |
| 22:48.14 | Resinate | why do the moneys die so fast |
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| 22:48.23 | Resinate | we just stalemated a map |
| 22:48.33 | Aetos | I don't think you can store what button was pressed into a players variable.. |
| 22:48.44 | Aetos | Im not positive.. but I think dialog items can only be stored in dialog item variables |
| 22:48.52 | Zanam | cause it's supposed to be a fast paced game, can't stay for to long in one place. however, the next version almost every map has been updated, many have had more cash added to them |
| 22:49.09 | Nash|327 | So make an array of dialog items? |
| 22:49.20 | Zanam | including one request for an open-ended map with no walls, but lots of cash. look for it in 1.1, 'War of the Wealthy' |
| 22:49.23 | Aetos | but, I don't see how you would compare them to see which one has the most |
| 22:49.29 | Aetos | in that array |
| 22:49.43 | SuraklinSC2 | Eh? |
| 22:49.48 | Nash|327 | Count which element is most frequent in array |
| 22:50.01 | SuraklinSC2 | We counting button presses? |
| 22:50.03 | P_R_Deltoid | comparing them? What |
| 22:50.16 | P_R_Deltoid | Oh man I am so behind |
| 22:50.24 | SuraklinSC2 | If so, map an array of buttons to the same index of an int array. |
| 22:50.32 | P_R_Deltoid | What is the voting system for? |
| 22:50.40 | P_R_Deltoid | VOting systems are quite easy. |
| 22:50.45 | Aetos | alright alright, let me start from the beginning to everyone understands |
| 22:50.46 | Aetos | lol |
| 22:51.33 | Aetos | I have a research tree, every so often every player is gonna vote on the next thing to research(keep in mind the research isn't an actual data editor ability or upgrade, its a trigger).. the research tree is done through dialog |
| 22:51.40 | Arthas-work | http://www.gametrailers.com/video/tgs-10-alice-madness/704477 |
| 22:51.42 | Arthas-work | do want |
| 22:51.49 | Aetos | I have one very long method in mind, but trying to figure out a simpler method |
| 22:51.55 | SuraklinSC2 | Aetos. |
| 22:52.03 | SuraklinSC2 | Make an array of the possible buttons. |
| 22:52.08 | SuraklinSC2 | Make an array of ints the same size. |
| 22:52.23 | SuraklinSC2 | When someone presses a button, find the index in the button array. |
| 22:52.32 | SuraklinSC2 | Then increment the integer array of the same location to count it. |
| 22:53.21 | Nash|327 | array of buttons only needs to be size equal to player count |
| 22:53.45 | Nash|327 | buttons not clicked by anyone can be ignored |
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| 22:54.18 | Vulfe | or you could be cool |
| 22:54.21 | Vulfe | and use a DOUBLE-ARRAY |
| 22:54.23 | Vulfe | YEAAAH |
| 22:54.41 | Aetos | so, according to you SuraklinSC2, Im gonna make a dialog item array with all the research buttons, and an integer array equal to that size, and increment the right index on the integer when a button is pressed? |
| 22:54.57 | Resinate | zanam |
| 22:55.05 | Zanam | yeah |
| 22:55.05 | Resinate | ur shapes need more hp lol |
| 22:55.12 | Resinate | badly |
| 22:55.18 | Resinate | i sniped 4 bases in 10 seconds |
| 22:55.40 | Resinate | the big shapes |
| 22:55.48 | Resinate | with 11 dps per shape |
| 22:55.56 | Resinate | takes only a few seconds to kill a base |
| 22:55.56 | Nash|327 | Clearly your one game is representative of the overall map balance. |
| 22:55.59 | Zanam | fully upgraded, shapes will easily destroy unguarded bases in the current version. better way than just making more health, i've disabled direct attacks to the bases next version |
| 22:56.15 | Resinate | ? |
| 22:56.17 | Zanam | you can only attack-move, so you will have to clear to the base |
| 22:56.19 | Resinate | how do u attack bases then? |
| 22:56.24 | Zanam | can't just sneak up and direct smack it in the face |
| 22:56.33 | Resinate | well |
| 22:56.38 | Resinate | its fine right now |
| 22:56.40 | Resinate | i know |
| 22:56.44 | Resinate | make an upgarde |
| 22:56.48 | Resinate | for the base itself |
| 22:56.49 | Zanam | if a player leaves themselves completely unguarded, thats their fault :P |
| 22:56.55 | Resinate | yea |
| 22:57.03 | Resinate | but if i use full speed units |
| 22:57.08 | Resinate | i can break any defense they have |
| 22:57.12 | Resinate | and attack the base |
| 22:57.14 | Nash|327 | Everyone is a balance genius. |
| 22:57.20 | Resinate | even after they hit the BOOM thing |
| 22:57.25 | Resinate | i know lol |
| 22:57.30 | Resinate | this game |
| 22:57.39 | Resinate | also |
| 22:57.43 | Resinate | well |
| 22:57.44 | Zanam | there's a lot of changes coming, should be done with it tonight |
| 22:57.48 | Resinate | u could remove visiob |
| 22:57.50 | Resinate | vision |
| 22:57.59 | Zanam | tried that, looked terrible. hated it |
| 22:58.05 | Resinate | cuz ppl kept double teaming |
| 22:58.17 | Zanam | the current version was made in 2 weeks with minimal testing :P i knew there would be balance issues |
| 22:58.22 | Resinate | like if one player has more pts than everyone |
| 22:58.32 | Resinate | everyone gangs up on them |
| 22:58.40 | Nash|327 | You don't have to remove vision |
| 22:58.51 | Resinate | u could hide teh score |
| 22:58.52 | Nash|327 | just make all units cloaked and all units detectors :P |
| 22:58.57 | Zanam | that's just good strategy. however, i'm making a very nice fix to both the early eliminated players having nothing to do, and falling way behind in points |
| 22:59.11 | Nash|327 | You can still see the map, just not enemy units, unless you are close |
| 22:59.20 | Resinate | nice idea nash |
| 22:59.31 | Resinate | u an see them |
| 22:59.36 | Resinate | when they mine the moneys |
| 22:59.54 | Resinate | what i wanna know |
| 22:59.57 | Zanam | i may try that out to see, but as of right now I like being able to see everything on the minimap. |
| 22:59.58 | Resinate | is how u made those beams |
| 23:00.08 | Zanam | which beams |
| 23:00.14 | Resinate | the little shapes |
| 23:00.21 | Resinate | are the ships all white |
| 23:00.25 | Resinate | with player color tints? |
| 23:00.37 | Zanam | it's just a beam in-game, i just exported all the textures of models i used, black and whited them, and reimported |
| 23:00.58 | Zanam | hard part is tinting an effect that could be any one of 15 different tints :P |
| 23:01.09 | Resinate | heres a side idea |
| 23:01.11 | Resinate | if u want it |
| 23:01.16 | Resinate | u could make bigger maps |
| 23:01.19 | Resinate | XD |
| 23:01.28 | Resinate | the dude one was awesome |
| 23:01.34 | Resinate | but others were like soo small |
| 23:01.47 | Resinate | i dunno |
| 23:01.55 | Fromethius | yo resinate where'd you go earlier |
| 23:01.58 | Zanam | if you want to make a map, you can try it for yourself. i have a post on it on the shape wars forum |
| 23:01.58 | Fromethius | i want to beat your ai |
| 23:02.05 | Resinate | zanam |
| 23:02.16 | Resinate | u should me that kind of intro formy jail break map |
| 23:02.30 | Resinate | from |
| 23:02.32 | Zanam | too busy working on a new intro :P |
| 23:02.36 | Resinate | msg me in bnety |
| 23:02.38 | Resinate | bent |
| 23:02.43 | Resinate | dude |
| 23:02.44 | Resinate | dont change it |
| 23:02.47 | Fromethius | do i have you added? |
| 23:02.49 | Resinate | it may be basic |
| 23:02.57 | Resinate | but it works for newbs like me |
| 23:03.02 | Resinate | who didnt know wtf the map was |
| 23:03.13 | Resinate | from |
| 23:03.17 | Resinate | whats ur ign in game |
| 23:03.19 | Resinate | msg me |
| 23:03.21 | Resinate | Goku |
| 23:03.41 | Fromethius | goku? lol |
| 23:03.43 | Resinate | i am having a bitch of a time with ai attacking ppl |
| 23:03.47 | Fromethius | mine is fromethius.477 |
| 23:03.48 | Fromethius | add me |
| 23:03.54 | Resinate | all they do is take beacons |
| 23:03.59 | Resinate | and defend |
| 23:04.28 | *** join/#sc2mapster rrowland (~Ryan@pool-71-103-164-22.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 23:05.20 | Resinate | zanam |
| 23:05.27 | Resinate | help me make an intro for jailbreak |
| 23:05.31 | Resinate | ill boost shaped for ya |
| 23:05.32 | Arthas-work | riiiidge raaaaaceeeeeeer |
| 23:05.42 | Resinate | arthas |
| 23:05.44 | Arthas- | So heres this giant crab |
| 23:05.44 | Resinate | do u know AI? |
| 23:05.49 | Arthas- | nope, sry |
| 23:05.58 | Resinate | how come no one plays with AI lOL |
| 23:06.51 | Zanam | sorry resinate, gonna be busy for awhile. finish up 1.1 today, hopefully submitting in, then celebratin my b-day over the weekend |
| 23:07.00 | Arthas- | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJElsNaC6yQ |
| 23:07.02 | Arthas- | 10 seconds in |
| 23:07.12 | Arthas- | such a classic :D |
| 23:09.33 | Resinate | i dunno |
| 23:09.43 | Resinate | a zoom on the map and base upgrades |
| 23:09.47 | Resinate | is all that was needed |
| 23:09.51 | Resinate | thats what i think |
| 23:10.17 | *** join/#sc2mapster Etherimp (~etherimp@ip68-108-216-107.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 23:10.17 | Resinate | adding armor upgrade to the base would be such epic help |
| 23:11.05 | Zanam | once you arent able to do direct attacks, it should help significantly. But, i'll add it on the todo list to try out |
| 23:12.05 | Blacksoldier | k i go sleepin |
| 23:12.08 | Blacksoldier | gn8 |
| 23:12.12 | Vulfe | night |
| 23:12.24 | Resinate | i like the direct atatcks |
| 23:12.28 | Resinate | if u cant direct attack |
| 23:12.39 | Resinate | its gonna kill so much tactics lol |
| 23:12.45 | Resinate | such as moving the base |
| 23:12.46 | Resinate | LOL |
| 23:13.02 | Resinate | with that new system |
| 23:13.02 | *** join/#sc2mapster Cronos|zzZZz (~mattb@network173-210.wctc.net) |
| 23:13.10 | Resinate | ppl will turtle up in the corner |
| 23:16.53 | Resinate | zanam |
| 23:17.02 | Resinate | could u enable more than 4 players? |
| 23:17.11 | Resinate | say like upto 8 ppl? |
| 23:18.05 | Zanam | originally it was 8, can support it just fine, but most people lag out with a mass unit spawn game with 8 players |
| 23:18.18 | Zanam | food cap is being bumped via votes, you can vote on 50 max, 75 max, or 100 max shapes |
| 23:19.35 | Vulfe | cool. |
| 23:19.43 | Vulfe | are there going to be base defense upgrades? |
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| 23:19.51 | deathnight114 | LMFAO |
| 23:19.52 | Vulfe | or like, humongous super-shapes? |
| 23:19.55 | Vulfe | because that would bea wesome |
| 23:19.56 | deathnight114 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boyZjC_mj68&feature=player_embedded - 7:50 |
| 23:19.57 | Vulfe | awesome* |
| 23:20.00 | deathnight114 | Obvious hacker is OBVIOUS |
| 23:21.32 | deathnight114 | fuck I hope that doesn't get public |
| 23:24.46 | Vulfe | ? |
| 23:24.48 | Vulfe | Oh |
| 23:24.51 | Vulfe | the hax? |
| 23:24.52 | Vulfe | Lol |
| 23:24.57 | Vulfe | Replay system makes banning people |
| 23:25.00 | Vulfe | super-duper-easy |
| 23:25.01 | deathnight114 | yeah, look at that though, warping in mortals |
| 23:25.03 | deathnight114 | yeah but still |
| 23:25.06 | Resinate | ROFL |
| 23:25.08 | Resinate | zanam |
| 23:25.08 | deathnight114 | if they get public a lot of people do it |
| 23:25.15 | Resinate | u have to see this repley i did |
| 23:25.16 | deathnight114 | and I hate losing to cheaters >.> |
| 23:25.23 | Vulfe | then I can rejoice in the fact that I can ban half of the protoss players that I play |
| 23:25.24 | Resinate | i killed 7 bases with 1 attack wave |
| 23:25.35 | Vulfe | so intense |
| 23:25.41 | Vulfe | DOUBLE ATTACK WAVE ALL THE WAY |
| 23:25.46 | Resinate | lol |
| 23:25.47 | Resinate | nah |
| 23:25.51 | Resinate | it was a 7 time flank |
| 23:25.57 | Vulfe | Lol |
| 23:26.04 | Vulfe | Also, Facility 17 looks pretty sick |
| 23:26.20 | *** join/#sc2mapster mattavich (522ee3dd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.46.227.221) |
| 23:26.30 | mattavich | Finally managed to create some videos for boelisk hellfire |
| 23:26.32 | mattavich | still uploading |
| 23:26.37 | Vulfe | mattavich |
| 23:26.40 | Vulfe | that's your map |
| 23:26.41 | mattavich | peeved about the crummyness of the map though =[ |
| 23:26.43 | Vulfe | cool |
| 23:26.44 | mattavich | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cr03ZzX4TkA |
| 23:26.46 | Vulfe | lol |
| 23:26.51 | Vulfe | I always am so surprised |
| 23:26.52 | mattavich | sorry not the map |
| 23:26.56 | Vulfe | when i help people out on IRC |
| 23:26.57 | mattavich | the damn game i played haha |
| 23:27.03 | Vulfe | lol |
| 23:27.04 | Vulfe | ahh |
| 23:27.04 | Vulfe | okay |
| 23:27.08 | Vulfe | lol |
| 23:27.12 | Vulfe | That happens though |
| 23:27.15 | Vulfe | I'll like, help someone out |
| 23:27.20 | Vulfe | and then realize they made some game I like |
| 23:27.20 | Vulfe | lol |
| 23:27.33 | mattavich | have you played obelisk hellfire then? :o |
| 23:27.42 | mattavich | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cr03ZzX4TkA |
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| 23:28.09 | P_R_Deltoid | have I played FOOTMEN FRENZY you meant to ask? |
| 23:28.17 | P_R_Deltoid | in which case, yes. I have played footman frenzy |
| 23:28.59 | mattavich | are you trying to say i copied footman frenzy? |
| 23:29.01 | P_R_Deltoid | or evolves or whatever this is. |
| 23:29.05 | P_R_Deltoid | Not copied |
| 23:29.07 | P_R_Deltoid | just the same concept |
| 23:29.12 | Vulfe | I have not played it mattavich |
| 23:29.13 | Vulfe | wait |
| 23:29.16 | P_R_Deltoid | a concept I never liked in the first place |
| 23:29.16 | Vulfe | Did you make OH or not |
| 23:29.19 | mattavich | Never even played wc3 nevermind footman frenzy |
| 23:29.19 | Vulfe | tell meeeeeeee |
| 23:29.26 | P_R_Deltoid | especially moreso in sc2 because there are way more units |
| 23:29.27 | mattavich | yes i amde obelisk hellfire |
| 23:29.41 | P_R_Deltoid | and microing is far less important and much harder because there is such a small importance on it in the metagame of starcraft |
| 23:30.03 | mattavich | I've always found these types of maps really fun |
| 23:30.06 | mattavich | :D |
| 23:30.30 | P_R_Deltoid | That image you made for it looks really bad fyi |
| 23:30.34 | P_R_Deltoid | the one with that weird background |
| 23:30.40 | P_R_Deltoid | looks like a 3d render of water from the 90s |
| 23:30.40 | mattavich | thanks |
| 23:30.43 | P_R_Deltoid | no problem |
| 23:30.53 | mattavich | took about 10 mins to make hehe |
| 23:30.59 | mattavich | anythign else? |
| 23:31.03 | Vulfe | lol |
| 23:31.16 | P_R_Deltoid | what else what else |
| 23:31.23 | P_R_Deltoid | you are gay |
| 23:31.26 | P_R_Deltoid | (???) |
| 23:31.34 | mattavich | that's not what your mother said |
| 23:31.38 | P_R_Deltoid | Yes it is. |
| 23:31.38 | Vulfe | : \ |
| 23:31.47 | Vulfe | Footman frenzy was fun |
| 23:31.50 | Vulfe | don't be a hater |
| 23:31.59 | P_R_Deltoid | boring* |
| 23:32.12 | Vulfe | whatever |
| 23:32.15 | mattavich | lol |
| 23:32.26 | mattavich | Vulfa how come you're asking me if i mad eit? :o |
| 23:32.27 | iMisu | Does anyone know how to unassign what program opens a type of file? |
| 23:32.30 | mattavich | vulfe* |
| 23:32.30 | iMisu | in windows |
| 23:32.41 | mattavich | in windows 7.... you... |
| 23:32.46 | iMisu | Vista |
| 23:32.57 | mattavich | win7 i just type "deafult programs" into search |
| 23:33.15 | iMisu | works for vista |
| 23:33.16 | iMisu | thanks |
| 23:33.31 | Fromethius | what's a good adjective for creep (zerg) |
| 23:33.41 | iMisu | freak.. |
| 23:33.47 | Fromethius | noo lol |
| 23:33.51 | Nash|327 | that's a noun |
| 23:33.51 | Fromethius | like.. sticky.. etc |
| 23:33.55 | iMisu | spaz ? |
| 23:34.07 | Nash|327 | adhesive? |
| 23:34.13 | Fromethius | adhesive is good.. hmm |
| 23:34.22 | Resinate | zanam |
| 23:34.24 | Xaragoth | i'd say ... hungry |
| 23:34.26 | Resinate | i found a very bad glitch |
| 23:34.35 | Xaragoth | creep devours the environment around it, turning it into more creep |
| 23:34.38 | Resinate | u cant join the map as a party |
| 23:34.38 | ckknight | Fromethius: permeating |
| 23:34.48 | Fromethius | hmm......... |
| 23:35.06 | Fromethius | The vile Changeling leaves behind a trail of creep everywhere he crawls. This [adjective noun] will slow the movement speeds of titans unfortunate enough to blah blah blah. |
| 23:35.10 | Fromethius | maybe context will help |
| 23:35.18 | Nash|327 | or just debilitating etc |
| 23:35.19 | Vulfe | vile slime |
| 23:35.26 | Fromethius | ooh slime is good |
| 23:35.26 | Vulfe | two syllables of win |
| 23:35.30 | Fromethius | i already used vile though |
| 23:35.39 | Fromethius | disgusting maybe |
| 23:35.57 | Xaragoth | actually, I believe its some sort of mutated mushroom |
| 23:36.02 | Xaragoth | try to find a word for that |
| 23:36.03 | Xaragoth | :p |
| 23:36.14 | Fromethius | stinking slime perhaps =p |
| 23:36.19 | Fromethius | alliteration up in this bitch |
| 23:36.27 | Vulfe | slippery |
| 23:36.27 | Vulfe | lol |
| 23:36.35 | Fromethius | lol |
| 23:36.37 | Nash|327 | sounds silly |
| 23:36.37 | Fromethius | that' |
| 23:36.42 | Fromethius | sounds silly but it's perfect |
| 23:36.46 | Vulfe | silly indeed |
| 23:36.48 | Vulfe | lol |
| 23:37.04 | Fromethius | imma use it =p |
| 23:37.22 | Nash|327 | slippery slime sounds silly says signed |
| 23:37.30 | Fromethius | haha |
| 23:37.51 | Fromethius | The vile Changeling leaves behind a trail of creep everywhere he crawls. This slippery slime will slow the movement speeds of titans unfortunate enough to tread across it. |
| 23:37.53 | Fromethius | epic =p |
| 23:38.22 | Fromethius | i tell you guys i spend more time on choosing tooltips and icons than i do actually data editing |
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| 23:40.22 | Nash|327 | slippery slime slows speed so sluggish steps sink swiftly |
| 23:40.38 | Vulfe | >.> |
| 23:41.25 | Fromethius | <3 nash |
| 23:43.22 | Nash|327 | soon shall sleep |
| 23:43.33 | Nash|327 | :G |
| 23:43.48 | Fromethius | :GG |
| 23:45.04 | Nash|327 | Salutations! |
| 23:45.36 | Fromethius | salutations is a greeting not a farewell |
| 23:45.52 | Fromethius | i'll get you next time nash! |
| 23:47.00 | Otixa | growls |
| 23:47.02 | *** join/#sc2mapster progammer (4a3ea6d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.62.166.210) |
| 23:47.09 | iMisu | If anyone has any other SC2 Cursors they want let me know |
| 23:47.10 | iMisu | http://forums.sc2mapster.com/general/general-chat/11627-starcraft-2-cursors-for-windows/#p6 |
| 23:47.23 | Fromethius | oh damn |
| 23:47.25 | Fromethius | those look nice |
| 23:47.25 | iMisu | I am about to leave for the evening, I have time for 2 or 3 more custom cursors. |
| 23:47.28 | Otixa | iMisu, make a full set >:| |
| 23:47.42 | iMisu | Thanks Fromethius |
| 23:47.45 | Fromethius | amg so many colors! |
| 23:47.47 | Fromethius | how do i chooose???? |
| 23:47.51 | iMisu | Ahhhhahaha |
| 23:48.00 | Otixa | srsly tho |
| 23:48.05 | Otixa | Make a full set |
| 23:48.09 | Otixa | For all the cursors |
| 23:48.12 | iMisu | Of what Race? |
| 23:48.14 | Fromethius | i'm a sucker for high-resolution anything |
| 23:48.23 | Otixa | Of the same it is now |
| 23:48.23 | progammer | is there a soft to randomize cursor :P |
| 23:48.29 | Otixa | Except for waiting/hand/etc |
| 23:48.30 | progammer | just like wallpaper |
| 23:48.32 | iMisu | Thats terran |
| 23:48.36 | Fromethius | crisp pixels.. *foams at mouth* |
| 23:48.39 | iMisu | I already made terran |
| 23:48.45 | iMisu | busy |
| 23:48.49 | iMisu | Its listed there :D |
| 23:49.38 | iMisu | Lol Fromethius you're crazy. |
| 23:49.43 | Fromethius | yeah i know |
| 23:49.48 | Fromethius | crazy like a fox! |
| 23:50.09 | iMisu | No other custom requests? |
| 23:50.24 | Fromethius | what else is there |
| 23:50.31 | iMisu | Any cursor in sc2 |
| 23:50.35 | iMisu | I can make your you. |
| 23:50.39 | Fromethius | how many cursors are there in sc2? |
| 23:50.46 | iMisu | Leme see |
| 23:50.47 | Fromethius | lol i thought there were like 2.. |
| 23:50.53 | Fromethius | i'm not a very observent man |
| 23:51.00 | iMisu | 129 cursors |
| 23:51.02 | Fromethius | what! |
| 23:51.19 | Fromethius | i remember the one for protoss and then there's another one |
| 23:51.23 | iMisu | Well thats between sc2 and the editor |
| 23:51.35 | Fromethius | where can i view all these "cursors" of which you speak |
| 23:51.41 | iMisu | You cant |
| 23:51.46 | P_R_Deltoid | owned |
| 23:51.47 | Fromethius | how do you know there's 129 then |
| 23:51.50 | P_R_Deltoid | it's a private club |
| 23:51.50 | iMisu | I took screen shots of every one I have found |
| 23:51.55 | Resinate | zanam u here man? |
| 23:51.56 | Fromethius | damn |
| 23:51.58 | iMisu | Go in game |
| 23:51.59 | Fromethius | you're a busy beaver |
| 23:52.04 | iMisu | and try all the different abilities etc |
| 23:52.07 | Resinate | i have a cool idea for ur map |
| 23:52.13 | P_R_Deltoid | wait |
| 23:52.17 | P_R_Deltoid | 129 |
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| 23:52.19 | P_R_Deltoid | seems really high |
| 23:52.25 | Otixa | ohai |
| 23:52.25 | Fromethius | also it sets off my ocd |
| 23:52.28 | iMisu | Some are part animated |
| 23:52.29 | Fromethius | why not 128, or 127 |
| 23:52.32 | Zanam | i am now resinate |
| 23:52.35 | Zanam | went to the store |
| 23:52.43 | P_R_Deltoid | oh, colors |
| 23:52.45 | P_R_Deltoid | nevermind |
| 23:52.45 | iMisu | The busy terran cursor is 17 alone |
| 23:52.55 | P_R_Deltoid | right |
| 23:52.58 | P_R_Deltoid | I thought you meant unique cursors |
| 23:53.00 | P_R_Deltoid | not recolors |
| 23:53.02 | Otixa | iMisu, do the red one with busy animation |
| 23:53.06 | iMisu | no recolors |
| 23:53.10 | iMisu | I do the recoloring rofl |
| 23:53.12 | Fromethius | i get so much more work done when my internet dies and irc doesn't work |
| 23:53.13 | P_R_Deltoid | oh |
| 23:53.24 | iMisu | Otixia |
| 23:53.25 | iMisu | Red with busy ? |
| 23:53.27 | P_R_Deltoid | so... there arn't that many in-game, you just change them? |
| 23:53.33 | Otixa | Red with busy |
| 23:53.35 | iMisu | brb Red with Busy |
| 23:53.44 | *** join/#sc2mapster SycoPrime (47303836@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.48.56.54) |
| 23:53.45 | Fromethius | =o |
| 23:53.49 | Fromethius | what are these codes |
| 23:54.36 | P_R_Deltoid | Codes |
| 23:54.40 | P_R_Deltoid | secret club you arn't in |
| 23:55.09 | iMisu | Almost done :D |
| 23:55.13 | Fromethius | ='( |
| 23:56.42 | Otixa | woah |
| 23:56.46 | iMisu | Finished |
| 23:56.49 | Otixa | I overfilled my coffee cup |
| 23:56.51 | iMisu | Uploading in a second |
| 23:57.02 | Otixa | and managed to get it to the desk without spilling any of it |
| 23:57.06 | P_R_Deltoid | distracted by thoughts of "busy red" |
| 23:57.09 | Otixa | l33t hax |
| 23:57.23 | Fromethius | oh yeah i know i busy red'd earlier and i was like LOL WOW |
| 23:57.27 | Fromethius | hahahaaha |
| 23:57.36 | *** part/#sc2mapster Sixen (~Kevin@149.169.115.92) |
| 23:57.40 | Otixa | pats Fromethius |
| 23:57.52 | Fromethius | wash your hands first |
| 23:57.55 | Otixa | Hmmm |
| 23:58.04 | Otixa | I wan an aluminium red protoss one |
| 23:58.08 | Otixa | opens up PS |
| 23:58.32 | iMisu | Pft |
| 23:58.34 | Fromethius | otixa likes to speak in 3rd person |
| 23:58.37 | *** join/#sc2mapster Chronicle (bcddc49f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.188.221.196.159) |
| 23:58.40 | iMisu | Photoshop is garbage |
| 23:58.42 | iMisu | LOL |
| 23:58.58 | Fromethius | yeah i agree imisu |
| 23:59.00 | iMisu | I wouldnt beable to do this , this fast with PSG |
| 23:59.03 | Fromethius | mspaint ftw |
| 23:59.11 | iMisu | Photoshop (Garbage Edition)*all |
| 23:59.16 | Otixa | nou |
| 23:59.29 | Fromethius | is there a way to download photoshop without downloading all of adobe's products? |
| 23:59.34 | Fromethius | i don't know what bridge is and i don't care |
| 23:59.58 | iMisu | Just assume garbage. |
